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Elvis 2008
09-21-21, 00:46
"As for the Pfizer booster, side effects are terrible. 63.7% had fatigue. 48.4% suffered from headaches. 39.1% felt muscle pain." Seriously? This is what you describe as "terrible"? Terrible is being on a ventilator and getting long covid for a year. These symptoms are pretty much what most people experience from a about of the flu. What a pussy. I'd rather have any or all than be dead. Just sayin.You can do whatever you want. Are you in favor of people getting vaccinated against their will? If so, then you are a dictatorial douche.
"As for the Pfizer booster, side effects are terrible. 63.7% had fatigue. 48.4% suffered from headaches. 39.1% felt muscle pain." Seriously? This is what you describe as "terrible"? Terrible is being on a ventilator and getting long covid for a year. These symptoms are pretty much what most people experience from a about of the flu. What a pussy. I'd rather have any or all than be dead. Just sayin.Those symptoms are pretty much what most people experience from the covid. Oh, and after recovery, they have natural immunity and no need to be a human Guinea pig for Big Pharma's software masquerading as a vaccine.
You can do whatever you want. Are you in favor of people getting vaccinated against their will? If so, then you are a dictatorial douche.Again, you live in a society. You are NOT allowed to infect me or my family with a deadly disease.
Go live in a cave if you can't handle 2 completely safe, painless shots.
Your 'liberty' doesn't trump my health.
Screw your liberty.
PedroMorales
09-21-21, 07:52
Again, you live in a society. You are NOT allowed to infect me or my family with a deadly disease.
Go live in a cave if you can't handle 2 completely safe, painless shots.
Your 'liberty' doesn't trump my health.
Screw your liberty.Vaccinating babies, making kids mask up as the Emmy awards and AOC go maskless but make their slaves mask up. If you are so worried about your precious health, stop screwing junkies.
Don't forget homophobic, transphobic, ableist, ageist, right handist, lookist, and baby & cute puppy eater.Oh, that's just crazy talk. Everyone knows Trump is a total coward and is especially terrified of dogs. A cute puppy would chase Trump's butt up a greased telephone pole. The only way Trump's mouth would get within his short stubby fingers of a puppy would be if the Colonel deep fried it with his 11 secret herbs and spices first. And then only if the Secret Service was standing by with their loaded guns drawn.
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You Democratic douches are so single minded you literally support a one party dictatorship like Russia or China. You salivate at and whack off to one party rule and blame all the other ills of the country on the other party.
By allowing your party to do whatever it wants no many how stupid, you douches literally crave dictatorship. WTF is wrong with you? People like you all who literally put party above all else really should not live here. You should go live in a nation with one party rule and see how that works out.
America's two greatest past times now are eating to excess and finger pointing, and it makes me sick.Yes, the only useful finger pointing is when we point the finger of blame toward the only side whose stewardship for the past 100 years and still favorite agenda produced and presided over every major economic downturn, massive USA Jobs destruction, historic stock and housing market crash, including this most recent one, and none of the historic recoveries, expansions and boom times along with every disastrous national security breach.
I agree that it is sickening that anyone would dare to point the finger of blame regarding something relatively trivial toward the other side, the only side whose stewardship and legislation over the same 100 years produced all of the historically positive economic results, massive USA Jobs creation, etc and none of the major economic downturns or disastrous national security breaches.
To engage in the latter form of finger pointing is not only sickening, it is so counterproductive as to be downright anti American.
Mexico does not require in person voting. Mexicans can vote by mail though not easily.Like voters in all serious democracies, Mexicans need to get special dispensation to vote by mail for a valid reason, such as those who live in foreign countries or are medically housebound. These voters are a miniscule fraction of the total, and their applications must bemade in advance and are scrutinized to ensure election integrity.
This is completely different from the scam of the 2020 clown world fraud, in which tens of millions of ballots were spammed out all over the place to whoever, wherever; and then when Trump won the democrats / deep state had pallots of hundreds of thousands in reserve, 98% for Biden, which they delivered like magic to the necessary counting centers at 4 am (after they had inexplicably stopped the count, and forced out all the GOP observers).
Having the overwhelming majority of the electorate show up and vote in person on election day with photo ID is a basic prerequisite for election integrity. That is why every serious democracy does it.
The rest of your post is typically worthless, ill-conceived bunk.
Everyone who wants a photo ID has a photo ID. They are available easily and for free. If a US citizen doesn't have one, it's because he / she doesn't want one. Of course, it is more difficult for non-citizens to get a valid photo ID for voting, which is why the democrats want to remove the requirement to further aid their fraud efforts.
(As an aside, no doubt you and other dem douches are wildly in favour of the vaccine passport for everyone. I doubt you can even see the irony of demanding people prove not only their identity but their personal health status to go to a bar or supermarket, but letting them vote for the President of the United States with no verification whatsoever).
You also don't understand how the United States works. The clue is in the name. Elections are run state by state. No doubt bolsheviks like you would love to remove all the states and replace them with a centralized communist dictatorship minus the First and Second Amendment. But it ain't happening.
On election day, the polls are open from early in the morning to late at night. As with photo ID, anyone who wants to vote can easily do so. Some people don't, which is their right.
Finally, "gerrymandering" is entirely subjective. Politicians of all sides sometimes attempt to reshape districts to give them a better shot at re-election when they are in power.
For you to suggest that only one side does it, or that there is even any objective way of creating districts, simply exposes yet again your lack of basic understanding of the matter.
Again, you live in a society. You are NOT allowed to infect me or my family with a deadly disease.
Go live in a cave if you can't handle 2 completely safe, painless shots.
Your 'liberty' doesn't trump my health.
Screw your liberty.Even if the vaccine worked, your attitude would be disgracefully tyrannical. Given that it doesn't work, and that the vaxed can still contract and pass on covid, it is also nonsensical.
BTW do you agree with the democrat decision in California to legalize HIV-infected people having unprotected sex with others without telling them their health status?
Neither Pelosi or Biden said those thingsBoth Biden and Pelosi criticized Trump's blocking of non-US citizens flying to the US from China. They both wanted more Chinese flying into the country in February and March 2020.
Would the democrat policy of allowing thousands of covid-infected Chinese to fly into the country daily have:
A) increased, or.
B) reduced.
The spread of covid? No need for a long-winded answer which nobody will read, just A or b. Thanks.
Natural immunity is the best defense. Of course no word from Big Pharma on that.
Big Pharma has bought the politicians and secured protections for its patents. This doesn't necessarily mean the American people are addicted to these pharma products pushed by self-serving Sackler's and their ilk.
The irony of so-called leftists cheering on Big Pharma. Brainwashed doesn't even cover it.
when we point the finger of blame toward the only side whose stewardship for the past 100 years and still favorite agenda produced and presided over every major economic downturnYour regular reminder that this guy thinks Jimmy Carter was a successful president.
Elvis 2008
09-21-21, 15:34
Again, you live in a society. You are NOT allowed to infect me or my family with a deadly disease.
Go live in a cave if you can't handle 2 completely safe, painless shots.
Your 'liberty' doesn't trump my health.
Screw your liberty.The vaccine does not prevent the transmission of Covid between people. Maybe I should post that 100 X so it gets through your head.
If the vaccine does not prevent transmission of the virus, then it should not be mandated.
But to a typical closed minded douche like you, whenever the government wants to take away personal freedom or choice, you are like, "Here, take it!
Why don't you give me all your money, you know, for your health? It is amazing how dense you are.
Those symptoms are pretty much what most people experience from the covid. Oh, and after recovery, they have natural immunity and no need to be a human Guinea pig for Big Pharma's software masquerading as a vaccine.Big Pharma's software masquerading as a vaccine Really? Another winger who believes the "microchips in vaccines" conspiracy theory.
I can't wait for all the wingers to find out that "they" (whoever "they" are) actually hid microchips in ivermectin, hid magnets in monoclonal antibodies and hid the "turn you gay" gene in hydroxychloroquine. BTW, "they" also hid the "genius gene" in the vaccine.
Oh, that's just crazy talk. Everyone knows Trump is a total coward and is especially terrified of dogs. A cute puppy would chase Trump's butt up a greased telephone pole. The only way Trump's mouth would get within his short stubby fingers of a puppy would be if the Colonel deep fried it with his 11 secret herbs and spices first. And then only if the Secret Service was standing by with their loaded guns drawn.Thanks a lot...now I'll never be able to look at puppies and KFC the same way, ever again...kkkk
Your regular reminder that this guy thinks Jimmy Carter was a successful president.Carter happily handed the worst POTUS ever award to Biden the puppet.
Big Pharma's software masquerading as a vaccine Really? Another winger who believes the "microchips in vaccines" conspiracy theory.
I can't wait for all the wingers to find out that "they" (whoever "they" are) actually hid microchips in ivermectin, hid magnets in monoclonal antibodies and hid the "turn you gay" gene in hydroxychloroquine. BTW, "they" also hid the "genius gene" in the vaccine.Microchips and gay genes? What are you fantasizing about? That your theory? Try to educate yourself while you're making spike proteins.
Congress making laws is imbecilic? It takes the cake? Wow! Yeah, PVMonger, if it cannot get through Congress, then it should not be a law. Imagine that.
It is funny to see someone who cheers on in real life a dictatorship, who wants the destruction of civil rights. With qualified immunity and the DOJ under executive control, the Constitution is a literal joke. The executive branch can violate the Constitution whenever it wants to.
And you brag about firing people who are making a personal choice in not getting a vaccine?
Like I said though, the thing that gets me with you dictator loving douches (you are no longer Democratic douches) like you is why do you leave the country to get pussy? I leave because American policies with regards to prostitution are bat shit crazy, cut you cannot say that because you worship the dictatorship.
The military (and I am not even going to put this on Biden and it may be his fault) commits a war crime and kills children and no one is fired, and you cheer them on because in your warped mind Trump would somehow be worse.
The military under Biden kills 10 innocent people in a drone strike, and with this tragedy somehow, you find a way to bash Trump. WTF is wrong with you? Clearly, you lack the capacity to determine right and wrong. Everything with you is red and blue.Learn math. You were the one who said that Democrats control Congress. While Democrats do have a slim margin in the House, there are 50 Republican Senators, 48 Democratic Senators and 2 Independent Senators. Where I went to school, they taught that 50 was greater than 48. Maybe they taught math differently where you went to school. Xx If so, it is understandable why you think that the former guy won the 2020 election.
I went through numerous old posts of yours. I found many instances of you saying, essentially, "actions have consequences". Any business has a right to make whatever decisions they want as long as they don't violate federal law. Businesses can decide to pay no more than minimum wage. You have the option of working there or not. But if you quit, the state might deny your unemployment claim. Actions have consequences. You have the option to speed or not while driving. But if you do and get caught, you might receive a ticket. Actions have consequences. Most school districts require certain vaccinations. You are free to not have your kids vaccinated but the school district is free to decline admitting them. Actions have consequences.
Just in these examples, any business can mandate vaccinations. You are free to refuse but they can fire you. Actions have consequences.
Why is it that the QOP is "free and easy" with the "actions have consequences" line when it involves Democrats or gays or POC but whine, yell and bloviate when the "actions have consequences" line is used on them? Hypocrisy maybe?
The vaccine does not prevent the transmission of Covid between people. Maybe I should post that 100 X so it gets through your head.
If the vaccine does not prevent transmission of the virus, then it should not be mandated.
But to a typical closed minded douche like you, whenever the government wants to take away personal freedom or choice, you are like, "Here, take it!
Why don't you give me all your money, you know, for your health? It is amazing how dense you are.And maybe I should post this x 100 so it gets through your head: "The data, gathered from December 8, 2020, through July 4, 2021, show that of more than 1.2 million adults who received a first dose, fewer than 0.5% reported contracting breakthrough infections two weeks or more after getting the jab. Among those who got both shots, fewer than 0. 2% experienced a breakthrough infection a week or more after getting their second shot. " https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-breakthrough-infections-vaccine-rate-symptoms-study/.
Now I realize that this might be a difficult concept for you to grasp, but 0.2% is an incredibly low number. Out of every 1,000,000 fully vaccinated people, only 2,000 will experience a breakthrough infection. That means that the other 998,000 people can't spread COVID.
Unvaccinated people are also 4 x more likely to catch COVID than vaccinated people. https://www.wnct.com/health/coronavirus/fact-check-are-unvaccinated-people-4x-more-likely-than-the-fully-vaccinated-to-catch-covid/.
And now insurance companies are beginning to institute "cost sharing" for COVID treatments. How long will it be before they change that to "unvaccinated people" will be responsible for 100% of their medical bills. What this means is unvaccinated MAGAts will risk death and their family's bankruptcy just to "own the libs". Brilliant.
Both Biden and Pelosi criticized Trump's blocking of non-US citizens flying to the US from China. They both wanted more Chinese flying into the country in February and March 2020.
Would the democrat policy of allowing thousands of covid-infected Chinese to fly into the country daily have:
A) increased, or.
B) reduced.
The spread of covid? No need for a long-winded answer which nobody will read, just A or b. Thanks.If the former guy stopped all Chinese from entering the country, did COVID enter the US from China after that? https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/09/22/how-covid-19-took-hold-in-north-america-and-europe/.
A. yes.
B. No.
No need for a long-winded answer which nobody will read, just A or be.
Even if the vaccine worked
The vaccine does not prevent the transmission of Covid between people. Maybe I should post that 100 X so it gets through your head.Why is it that Drs. Chris and Elvis have never told us what Medical Schools they graced with their presence?
Or were do or did they practice medicine?
Or what peer-reviewed studies they've conducted to oh-so-boldly contradict all real doctors and epidemiologists in the world?
Why is it that crackpots never share their qualifications with us, mere mortals?
ScatManDoo
09-21-21, 21:48
The vaccine does not prevent the transmission of Covid between people.I agree.
Maybe I should post that 100 X so it gets through your head.I don't agree with you there. No one is falsely asserting that the vacine prevents ALL transmissions.
If the vaccine does not prevent transmission of the virus, then it should not be mandated.No. Here is where "logic" is failing you Elvis.
When deciding upon mandates, a better question to ask is "Does the vaccine reduce transmission of the virus?
The vaccine does not prevent all transmissions, but it greatly reduces some of its transmission.
One study compared the households of unvaccinated infected individuals to the households of vaccinated individuals that still had breakthrough infections.
31% of the other household members wound-up getting infected also when it started in the household by the unvaccinated individual.
Only 11% of the household members were infected when a vaccinated person experienced one of these breakthrough infections.
The vaccine does not prevent all infections. But it does prevent a very large number of infections (and all or nearly all Covid-19 deaths).
And that is why mandates (and getting nearly everyone vaccinated) makes sense.
Slow the spread, get vaccinated.
ScatManDoo
09-21-21, 22:01
Why is it that Drs. Chris and Elvis have never told us what Medical Schools they graced with their presence?
Or were do or did they practice medicine?
Or what peer-reviewed studies they've conducted to oh-so-boldly contradict all real doctors and epidemiologists in the world?
Why is it that crackpots never share their qualifications with us, mere mortals?Your criticism appears to be unreasonable.
No one ever told me that I needed a medical degree in order to express an opinion on a discussion board.
Don't see why anyone would need a medical degree in order to comment on a political thread inside of a hooker discussion website.
Carter happily handed the worst POTUS ever award to Biden the puppet.I guess this time, Agent Orange and henchman / lackey, ex-Gov. Giuliani, really did stop the steal...kkkk
Microchips and gay genes? What are you fantasizing about? That your theory? Try to educate yourself while you're making spike proteins.You realize, right, that many MAGAts (like the OP) believe that the vaccine contains microchips. Many MAGAts also believe that the vaccine contains magnets. Here's are some myths that I've heard from many MAGAts: https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/featured-topic/covid-19-vaccine-myths-debunked.
I do admit that the "gay gene" and the "genius gene" were sarcasm.
You do know what "sarcasm" means, don't you?
Why is it that Drs. Chris and Elvis have never told us what Medical Schools they graced with their presence?
Or were do or did they practice medicine?
Or what peer-reviewed studies they've conducted to oh-so-boldly contradict all real doctors and epidemiologists in the world?
Why is it that crackpots never share their qualifications with us, mere mortals?They stopped claiming that the vaccine prevents infection a long time ago, you low-information leftist. See Oscar De la Hoya: a fit, healthy man in his 40's who was training for his boxing comeback and was double-vaxed, but had to call the fight off because he caught the coof.
Double vaxed. Got sick with covid. Let that rattle round your head for a while.
ScatManDoo
09-22-21, 00:09
Big Pharma's software masquerading as a vaccine Really? Another winger who believes the "microchips in vaccines" conspiracy theory.
I can't wait for all the wingers to find out that "they" (whoever "they" are) actually hid microchips in ivermectin, hid magnets in monoclonal antibodies and hid the "turn you gay" gene in hydroxychloroquine. BTW, "they" also hid the "genius gene" in the vaccine.
Microchips and gay genes? What are you fantasizing about? That your theory? Try to educate yourself while you're making spike proteins.Another poster incapable of understanding sarcasm.
The vaccine does not prevent all infections. But it does prevent a very large number of infections (and all or nearly all Covid-19 deaths).
And that is why mandates (and getting nearly everyone vaccinated) makes sense.No, that is precisely why it does not make sense.
The virus cannot be eradicated. We know that the vaccine does not prevent contraction or transmission. Covid is here to stay and we must learn to live with it, as we do with flu and other viruses.
If it was possible for the virus to be completely eradicated if everyone was vaccinated, there would be a stronger case for doing so. But that is not the case. The vaccine *does not* do that.
Therefore it is up to individuals to decide whether to get vaccinated. If, as you say, the vaccine prevents nearly all covid deaths, the vaccinated will be as safe as they can be, regardless of what anyone else does, given that the virus will always be with us.
If people choose not to be vaccinated, that is up to them. Their choice will *not* prevent the eradication of the virus. The vaccine does not eradicated the virus (despite the promises of Fauci and other liars who sold it to us as total prevention).
The vaccinated will already be protected as well as they can be, according to your argument, so the actions of other people who choose not to take the vax have no bearing on them.
Of course, in reality there are a vast number of negative side effects of the vax, a small number of which have been documented on the VAERS system but most of which have been ignored or swept under the carpet.
Carter happily handed the worst POTUS ever award to Biden the puppet.The empty thought-bubble from Biden's head is a nice touch.
ScatManDoo
09-22-21, 01:07
"As for the Pfizer booster, side effects are terrible. 63.7% had fatigue. 48.4% suffered from headaches. 39.1% felt muscle pain." Seriously? This is what you describe as "terrible"? Terrible is being on a ventilator and getting long covid for a year. These symptoms are pretty much what most people experience from a about of the flu. What a pussy. I'd rather have any or all than be dead. Just sayin.
Those symptoms are pretty much what most people experience from the covid. Oh, and after recovery, they have natural immunity and no need to be a human Guinea pig for Big Pharma's software masquerading as a vaccine.Why are you mischaracterizing people who are receiving the vaccine after 2.5 billion folks have safely been vaccinated as Guinea pigs?
Tafesse's research has found vaccination led to increased levels of neutralizing antibodies against variant forms of the coronavirus in people who had been previously infected. "You will get better protection by also getting vaccinated as compared to just an infection," he said. On Sept. 13, 2021.
Elvis 2008
09-22-21, 03:12
I agree.
I don't agree with you there. No one is falsely asserting that the vacine prevents ALL transmissions.
No. Here is where "logic" is failing you Elvis.
When deciding upon mandates, a better question to ask is "Does the vaccine reduce transmission of the virus?
The vaccine does not prevent all transmissions, but it greatly reduces some of its transmission.
One study compared the households of unvaccinated infected individuals to the households of vaccinated individuals that still had breakthrough infections.
31% of the other household members wound-up getting infected also when it started in the household by the unvaccinated individual.
Only 11% of the household members were infected when a vaccinated person experienced one of these breakthrough infections.
The vaccine does not prevent all infections. But it does prevent a very large number of infections (and all or nearly all Covid-19 deaths).
And that is why mandates (and getting nearly everyone vaccinated) makes sense.
Slow the spread, get vaccinated.As for your study in household contacts, that is one I am skeptical of and ask why you did not link it? There has to be so many variables that have to be accounted for. Among my questions is what variant was predominant during this time period. How was antibody status accounted for prior to infection?
The vaccine did seem to be effective with stopping transmission of the alpha variant, but it does not seem to work with delta, and who the hell knows how well it will work with the next one?
I am extremely skeptical when it comes to the CDC on politically charged issues. Here is what they wrote "Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to spread the virus for a shorter time. "
You do not mandate when you have the phrase appear to. You let people make their own decisions.
The CDC is been pushing vaccination like crazy, and I do not expect them to back down from their proclamations as the vaccine loses its luster. So IMO this push for vaccination is as much the CDC not losing face as it is for preventing disease.
It is funny in that I have published on this website a regimen of antivirals and antibiotics that I have taken when I go bare. I got the response I expected from the American government loving. "You cannot do that. Antibiotics are a gift from God, and you are wasting them!" If I asked the group here, which method do you use to prevent herpes, condoms or Valtrex? I am certain that condoms would win or maybe #1 would be "Uh, What is Valtrex?
And why can you get Valtrex over the counter in Colombia and Mexico and not in the USA? My take on that is the CDC is more interested in government control than in preventing the spread of disease. The notion that you are "wasting a treatment" when it is available in other countries is batshit crazy. The CDC must think herpes cannot spread over a country's borders.
We have treatments that are 100% effective for transmissible diseases (Valtrex is not 100% effective against herpes transmission though) and we do not mandate treatment for them. The fact that you douches want to mandate for Covid is absolutely fucking insane. What is next? Video taping people having sex to make sure they are using condoms? Better yet, seeing as how we do not need sex to have babies and sex spreads disease, why not just ban sex?
But this flaw in logic does not seem to bother you. You want to be patted on the head by the CDC and told you are good boys because you got your vaccine and you used your condoms, and I am like, WTF is wrong with you?
You all seem to be more obsessed with pointing a finger at Republicans and saying, "My getting Covid is your fault" than educating yourself on what works to actually prevent getting the disease.
And the young men who have heart problems after the vaccine?
Your criticism appears to be unreasonable.
No one ever told me that I needed a medical degree in order to express an opinion on a discussion board.
Don't see why anyone would need a medical degree in order to comment on a political thread inside of a hooker discussion website.It seems unreasonable to you because you've missed my point.
You're absolutely correct, one doesn't need a medical degree in order to comment on anything.
But if you do comment on a highly specific medical issue, you might want to have some idea of what you're talking about.
I mean, once again, you can comment any way you want, but if you say a stupid thing that's universally known to be untrue (like, I don't know, that condoms do not protect against a VD or that Covid vaccines do not protect against the infection), you might sound like an idiot. Crackpot even.
If the aforementioned 'doctors' are fine with it, then let them have at it as our president says.
But let's get serious for a minute.
Insisting that the vaccine doesn't prevent the transmissions AT ALL is absolute lunacy.
Doesn't prevent SOME transmissions -- yes, which means that in most cases vaccines work.
We don't know everything. For example, I read today that Moderna remains strong over time, while Pfizer starts waning out after 4 months. That might explain the Covid growth in Israel because Israel got jabbed by Pfizer.
The study also broke out effectiveness, also called VE, for the period of 14-120 days after vaccination, as well as after the 120-day mark. It was there that the numbers diverged more significantly. The Moderna vaccine remained 92% effective against hospitalization after 120 days, but the Pfizer vaccine was down to 77% effectiveness.https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/moderna-vaccine-more-effective-than-pfizer-jj-especially-after-4-months-cdc/3278415/
Does it mean that Pfizer is worthless. Of course not. 77% protection is still better than zero.
Nothing works 100% of the time.
Your regular reminder that this guy thinks Jimmy Carter was a successful president.See, here is the problem for Repubs and those who vote in a way that helps Repubs win elections; it doesn't matter what I or anyone else "thinks" about it. The data and historical record of results tells the story.
For example, Carter's positive record of results on USA Jobs creation slaughters that of every Repub in history. Oh, and so does Biden's so far.
If your way of "thinking" is those actual results means Carter and Biden were unsuccessful or the worst presidents compared to Repubs like Herbert Hoover, George W. Bush and Donald J. Trump, who's economic stewardship and decisions wiped out millions of USA jobs each and are major contributors to the conclusion that by January 20, 2021 the Republican Party in the White House destroyed more USA jobs than they created since 1860 when the first Repub won the White House, then you have a very weird but typically Repub anti-American worker and anti-American economy way of "thinking."
Yep, that's way more damage to the USA economy and destruction of USA jobs inflicted on the USA by Repubs than was ever inflicted on the USA by China.
ScatManDoo
09-22-21, 05:06
It seems unreasonable to you because you've missed my point.
You're absolutely correct, one doesn't need a medical degree in order to comment on anything.
But if you do comment on a highly specific medical issue, you might want to have some idea of what you're talking about.
I mean, once again, you can comment any way you want, but if you say a stupid thing that's universally known to be untrue (like, I don't know, that condoms do not protect against a VD or that Covid vaccines do not protect against the infection), you might sound like an idiot. Crackpot even.
If the aforementioned 'doctors' are fine with it, then let them have at it as our president says.Sorry to stomp on your communication stylings.
With these guys I sometimes find more success with kind, gentle discussion, like a teacher does with young students, like in my prior post here in the thread.
I really have come to never expect any precision from folks in the anti-science party.
I always figure they lack the ability to critically think about what is presented to them.
ScatManDoo
09-22-21, 07:21
No, that is precisely why it does not make sense.
The virus cannot be eradicated. We know that the vaccine does not prevent contraction or transmission. Covid is here to stay and we must learn to live with it, as we do with flu and other viruses.
If it was possible for the virus to be completely eradicated if everyone was vaccinated, there would be a stronger case for doing so. But that is not the case. The vaccine *does not* do that.
Therefore it is up to individuals to decide whether to get vaccinated. If, as you say, the vaccine prevents nearly all covid deaths, the vaccinated will be as safe as they can be, regardless of what anyone else does, given that the virus will always be with us.
If people choose not to be vaccinated, that is up to them. Their choice will *not* prevent the eradication of the virus. The vaccine does not eradicated the virus (despite the promises of Fauci and other liars who sold it to us as total prevention).
The vaccinated will already be protected as well as they can be, according to your argument, so the actions of other people who choose not to take the vax have no bearing on them.
Of course, in reality there are a vast number of negative side effects of the vax, a small number of which have been documented on the VAERS system but most of which have been ignored or swept under the carpet.I believe your conclusion is incorrect.
If the vaccine slows the rate of infection, then it is effective and beneficial (and worthwhile).
There is no criterion that success can only be achieved by total eradication.
Less deaths and less serious disease is desirable compared to more deaths and more serious disease.
I agree that we are likely going to be living with Covid for quite a while. While that's happening I favor having less deaths with great immunization coverage rather than choosing more deaths for ourselves because some folks try to be selfish freeloaders in the name of "Freedom."
Sorry to stomp on your communication stylings.
With these guys I sometimes find more success with kind, gentle discussion, like a teacher does with young students, like in my prior post here in the thread.Sounds good, but let's be real, that's often not your style. Lolol And understandably so, as the Trump cult has made a business of being strident and hitting below the belt. It's thus fun watching them get a taste of their own medicine, especially as they fight from a defeated position.
On the medical posts, when someone comes in here pontificating on that they should more often than not include source citations, rather than rehashing what one thinks they remember reading from a wingnut blog or Tucker Carlson. That's too generous though when discussing someone like Elvis, who just makes stuff up as he goes erecting straw men and moving the goal posts. Sadly other shit kickers on his side of the fence never notice, nor do they want to.
Elvis 2008
09-22-21, 08:47
I mean, once again, you can comment any way you want, but if you say a stupid thing that's universally known to be untrue (like, I don't know, that condoms do not protect against a VD or that Covid vaccines do not protect against the infection), you might sound like an idiot. Crackpot even.
Insisting that the vaccine doesn't prevent the transmissions AT ALL is absolute lunacy.Xpartan,
You really, really need to know the difference between popular and correct. Is it popular to say condoms prevent STDs? Hell yeah. Is it correct? Fuck no. https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2001/09/nih-condom-report-glass-90-full.
Adequate data are available to conclude that consistent and correct condom use prevents unintended pregnancies, HIV infection and gonorrhea in men. Evidence that condom use prevents the other six STIs reviewed by the panel is insufficient.
Before you get your panties in a bunch about HIV, that is for homosexual / anal sex. For heterosexual and oral sex, rates of HIV transmission are so low you could never prove condoms work.
And gonorrhea can be prevented / treated with one pill.
And why haven't you heard about this huge study done by the NIH? Or are you going to lie now and say you have?
Is it popular to say the vaccine works to reduce Covid? Yes. Does it? No, not delta.
The study you linked about % effectiveness was when the alpha variant of Covid was predominant. The vaccines worked to prevent that, but it does not prevent transmission with delta.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/health/breakthrough-infection-masks-cdc-provincetown-study/index.html
A new study shows the Delta Covid-19 variant produced similar amounts of virus in vaccinated and unvaccinated people if they get infected -- illustrating a key motivation behind the federal guidance that now recommends most fully vaccinated Americans wear masks indoors.
"High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus," Dr. Rochelle Walensky said.
The researchers found evidence that viral loads were similar among 127 fully vaccinated people and 84 others who were unvaccinated, partially vaccinated or whose vaccination status was unknown. Viral load is a proxy for how likely someone might be to transmit the virus to others.
Let me guess. You knew about this too.
That leaves this statement, "Experts say that vaccination makes it less likely that you'll catch Covid-19 in the first place."
If that were true, the UK, Israel, and USA would not have the highest cases per capita in the world. The data does not support that claim, and the notion that there are more cases in those countries because of testing is also not supported by the data.
People like you make judgments and marry them. You are unable to shift when data shows what you are married to turns out to be wrong.
As for your study in household contacts, that is one I am skeptical of and ask why you did not link it? There has to be so many variables that have to be accounted for. Among my questions is what variant was predominant during this time period. How was antibody status accounted for prior to infection?
The vaccine did seem to be effective with stopping transmission of the alpha variant, but it does not seem to work with delta, and who the hell knows how well it will work with the next one?
I am extremely skeptical when it comes to the CDC on politically charged issues. Here is what they wrote "Fully vaccinated people with Delta variant breakthrough infections can spread the virus to others. However, vaccinated people appear to spread the virus for a shorter time. "
You do not mandate when you have the phrase appear to. You let people make their own decisions.
The CDC is been pushing vaccination like crazy, and I do not expect them to back down from their proclamations as the vaccine loses its luster. So IMO this push for vaccination is as much the CDC not losing face as it is for preventing disease.
It is funny in that I have published on this website a regimen of antivirals and antibiotics that I have taken when I go bare. I got the response I expected from the American government loving. "You cannot do that. Antibiotics are a gift from God, and you are wasting them!" If I asked the group here, which method do you use to prevent herpes, condoms or Valtrex? I am certain that condoms would win or maybe #1 would be "Uh, What is Valtrex?
And why can you get Valtrex over the counter in Colombia and Mexico and not in the USA? My take on that is the CDC is more interested in government control than in preventing the spread of disease. The notion that you are "wasting a treatment" when it is available in other countries is batshit crazy. The CDC must think herpes cannot spread over a country's borders.
We have treatments that are 100% effective for transmissible diseases (Valtrex is not 100% effective against herpes transmission though) and we do not mandate treatment for them. The fact that you douches want to mandate for Covid is absolutely fucking insane.Thanks, Captain Obvious. Yes, COVID is here to stay. But why? The US has had enough vaccine for the past 6 months to vaccinate every adult. But only 50-some-odd percent of the population has been vaccinated. And the anti-vaxxers, the anti-maskers, the science deniers and rightwingnut media are the biggest cause of that. That's why COVID is still killing thousands every day.
If someone doesn't want to get vaccinated, fine. But that decision is a choice and choices have consequences.
Instead of a vaccine mandate, perhaps the government should mandate that every unvaccinated person, every anti-vaxxer, every anti-masker, every science denier and all of the rightwingnut media work for 30 days in a COVID ward. Without PPE, of course, because natural COVID immunity is so much better than a vaccine and hell, COVID only has a. 02% death rate anyway. Of course, all those people will be refused medical treatment because COVID isn't that serious and not getting vaccinated was a choice and choices have consequences.
"educating yourself on what works to actually prevent getting the disease." And, what, pray tell is that? It isn't ivermectin. It isn't hydroxychloroquine. It isn't bleach martinis and it isn't shoving a lightbulb up your ass. What actually works to actually prevent COVID are the things that Republicans are against (physical or social distancing, quarantining, ventilation of indoor spaces, covering coughs and sneezes, hand washing, and keeping unwashed hands away from the face. The use of face masks or coverings has been recommended in public settings to minimize the risk of transmissions.)
You realize, right, that many MAGAts (like the OP) believe that the vaccine contains microchips. Many MAGAts also believe that the vaccine contains magnets.You evidently fail to realize that not everyone who chooses to not take an unproven vaccine is a 'MAGA'.
Meanwhile, with gay genes on your mind, maybe the MAGA people will have a vaccination to cure you. (You can decide if that's sarcasm.)
John Clayton
09-22-21, 16:52
You evidently fail to realize that not everyone who chooses to not take an unproven vaccine...More than a billion doses of mRNA Covid vaccines have been administered. The safety and efficacy of the vaccines have been proven beyond any possibility for error. The theory and mechanism of how these vaccines work is better understood than the theory of gravitation. Simply put, the vaccines are proven to be safe and effective.
More than a billion doses of mRNA Covid vaccines have been administered. The safety and efficacy of the vaccines have been proven beyond any possibility for error. The theory and mechanism of how these vaccines work is better understood than the theory of gravitation. Simply put, the vaccines are proven to be safe and effective.Also the vaccine is proven to reduce the odds of Covid hospitalization and death to near zero.
More than a billion doses of mRNA Covid vaccines have been administered. The safety and efficacy of the vaccines have been proven beyond any possibility for error. The theory and mechanism of how these vaccines work is better understood than the theory of gravitation. Simply put, the vaccines are proven to be safe and effective.Then you've got nothing to worry about from the unvaccinated. Mind your own business and party on.
You evidently fail to realize that not everyone who chooses to not take an unproven vaccine is a 'MAGA'.
Meanwhile, with gay genes on your mind, maybe the MAGA people will have a vaccination to cure you. (You can decide if that's sarcasm.)"not everyone who chooses to not take an unproven vaccine is a 'MAGA". Maybe, however: "The vaccination rate among White evangelical Protestants continues to lag behind those of other major religious groups: 57% of White evangelicals say they have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, compared with 73% of White Protestants who are not evangelicals, 75% of religiously unaffiliated adults and 82% of Catholics," reported Pew. And show me a white evangelical who isn't a MAGAt. https://www.au.org/blogs/christian-nationalists-reality?fbclid=IwAR3NrhSlbVTQDiJhu__NiEJLByFHa6_ysApQjXCWVWaV6b9FDtZcWY0eCTw.
I guess it really is true that scientists hid the "genius gene" in the vaccine, considering how many of the unvaccinated aren't.
ScatManDoo
09-22-21, 19:21
Instead of a vaccine mandate, perhaps the government should mandate that every unvaccinated person, every anti-vaxxer, every anti-masker, every science denier and all of the rightwingnut media work for 30 days in a COVID ward. Without PPE, of course, because natural COVID immunity is so much better than a vaccine and hell, COVID only has a. 02% death rate anyway. Of course, all those people will be refused medical treatment because COVID isn't that serious and not getting vaccinated was a choiceWorks for me.
"educating yourself on what works to actually prevent getting the disease." And, what, pray tell is that? It isn't ivermectin. It isn't hydroxychloroquine. It isn't bleach martinis and it isn't shoving a lightbulb up your ass.Let's volunteer Elvis to confirm.
And Golfino. Before you blast my post.
I was being sarcastic, FYI.
Xpartan,
You really, really need to know the difference between popular and correct. Is it popular to say condoms prevent STDs? Hell yeah. Is it correct? Fuck no. https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2001/09/nih-condom-report-glass-90-full.
Adequate data are available to conclude that consistent and correct condom use prevents unintended pregnancies, HIV infection and gonorrhea in men. Evidence that condom use prevents the other six STIs reviewed by the panel is insufficient.
Before you get your panties in a bunch about HIV, that is for homosexual / anal sex. For heterosexual and oral sex, rates of HIV transmission are so low you could never prove condoms work.
And gonorrhea can be prevented / treated with one pill.
And why haven't you heard about this huge study done by the NIH? Or are you going to lie now and say you have?
Is it popular to say the vaccine works to reduce Covid? Yes. Does it? No, not delta.
The study you linked about % effectiveness was when the alpha variant of Covid was predominant. The vaccines worked to prevent that, but it does not prevent transmission with delta.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/health/breakthrough-infection-masks-cdc-provincetown-study/index.html
A new study shows the Delta Covid-19 variant produced similar amounts of virus in vaccinated and unvaccinated people if they get infected -- illustrating a key motivation behind the federal guidance that now recommends most fully vaccinated Americans wear masks indoors...Aren't you the guy who continues to insist that the only people who die from COVID are old people with comorbidities? If so, then you can't have things both ways. Either you talk about only the Delta variant or not. Don't berate someone else for using an older study and cry "but not for delta."
As to your contention that viral loads tell the whole story, "In one study from Singapore, researchers found that viral loads reached high levels in vaccinated people but dropped much faster than in those who were unvaccinated". But the quote above comes from an MIT publication, and everybody knows that MIT is far less reliable than Fucker Carlson. https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/08/09/1031292/questions-delta-variant-contagious-tranmission-vaccination/.
And, as I already posted, breakthrough infections in vaccinated people occur. 02% of the time.
If you knew the difference between the MAGAt-popular and the correct, you'd be vaccinated because you gave a dam about those around you. But you don't and you don't.
Of course, all those people will be refused medical treatment because COVID isn't that serious and not getting vaccinated was a choice and choices have consequences.
And of course for consistency, we must also refuse fat people medical treatment for diabetes, heart and joint conditions; and smokers for respiratory problems; and homosexuals for HIV, because overeating / smoking / sodomy was a choice and choices have consequences.
Xpartan,
You really, really need to know the difference between popular and correct. Is it popular to say condoms prevent STDs? Hell yeah. Is it correct? Fuck no. https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2001/09/nih-condom-report-glass-90-full.
Adequate data are available to conclude that consistent and correct condom use prevents unintended pregnancies, HIV infection and gonorrhea in men. Evidence that condom use prevents the other six STIs reviewed by the panel is insufficient.
Before you get your panties in a bunch about HIV, that is for homosexual / anal sex. For heterosexual and oral sex, rates of HIV transmission are so low you could never prove condoms work.
And gonorrhea can be prevented / treated with one pill.
And why haven't you heard about this huge study done by the NIH? Or are you going to lie now and say you have?
Is it popular to say the vaccine works to reduce Covid? Yes. Does it? No, not delta.
The study you linked about % effectiveness was when the alpha variant of Covid was predominant. The vaccines worked to prevent that, but it does not prevent transmission with delta.Excellent post.
I would only contest the final paragraph. People like him and the rest of the dem douches don't make judgments. They just follow, blindly and lemming-like, whatever the fake news / Big Tech is telling them this week, regardless even of how contradictory it is to what they were saying last week.
More than a billion doses of mRNA Covid vaccines have been administered. The safety and efficacy of the vaccines have been proven beyond any possibility for error. The theory and mechanism of how these vaccines work is better understood than the theory of gravitation. Simply put, the vaccines are proven to be safe and effective.Maybe you're getting a different vaccine over there in Leningrad, but here in America the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting System) contradicts your false statement.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/vaers-cdc-data-injuries-deaths-covid-vaccine/ "Data released today show that between Dec. 14,2020 and July 30,2021, a total of 545,338 total adverse events were reported to VAERS, including 12,366 deaths — an increase of 426 over the previous week. There were 70,105 reports of serious injuries, including deaths, during the same time period".
Only a small fraction of injuries are actually reported to VAERS. Most are simply ignored or swept under the rug.
As for "effective", we were sold these vaccines as the end of the virus. In fact, they don't work. Double jabbed people are still getting covid, still getting sick, still passing it on. The injections probably reduce the harshness of the virus, but that is not what we were told. We were told that vaccinated people would be invulnerable, like with measles, mumps, rubella, smallpox etc.
Once again, Fauci lied.
I believe your conclusion is incorrect.
If the vaccine slows the rate of infection, then it is effective and beneficial (and worthwhile).
There is no criterion that success can only be achieved by total eradication.
Less deaths and less serious disease is desirable compared to more deaths and more serious disease.
I agree that we are likely going to be living with Covid for quite a while. While that's happening I favor having less deaths with great immunization coverage rather than choosing more deaths for ourselves because some folks try to be selfish freeloaders in the name of "Freedom."Covid is not the Walking Dead. It is not a society-destroying virus. The survival rate is 99.9%, and it barely affects healthy people under 60, who constitute the vast majority of the workforce.
If the vaccine did what Fauci and the other liars originally told us. Ie give total lifelong immunity from the disease, as is the case with the vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, smallpox, Hep be, etc. They would have a stronger case: they could say "taking this vaccine will eradicate the disease forever".
But that is not the case. They lied. The vaccine doesn't work. See Oscar De La Hoya, who recently had to call off his boxing comeback because he contracted covid. After being double-vaccinated.
At best, the vaccine somewhat alleviates symptoms. It does not and will not prevent infection, or spreading, nor will it eradicate the disease. It does very little.
On the negative side, as we have seen from over half a million VAERS reports in less than a year, it does quite a lot.
For people in vulnerable groups (elderly, obese, people with severe pre-existing conditions) it is probably worth taking the vaccine. But for healthy people under 50, the likelihood of severe negative reaction to the vax is the same or more than the likelihood of severe negative reaction to covid. Both very low.
We cannot eradicate covid. It will always be with us. The "vaccine" option is there for people who wish to probably ameliorate their symptoms if and when they get it. But it does not come near to the level of justifying the destruction of constitutional freedoms and bodily autonomy of American citizens.
If you have chosen to take the vaccine, your symptoms will probably be less if you catch it. Good for you. But you will not eradicate the disease. Why therefore are you concerned about the personal medical choices and bodily autonomy of others?
the anti-science party.Would that be the party that believes that there is no such thing as a "woman" (only a "menstruating person" or "birthing person" That there are no average differences whatsoever between ethnic groups, NBA and advanced math classes be damned? And told us twenty years ago that the country would be underwater by now? And are telling us now that the planet will be gone in 10 years?
That anti-science party?
ScatManDoo
09-23-21, 00:24
And of course for consistency, we must also refuse fat people medical treatment for diabetes, heart and joint conditions; and smokers for respiratory problems; and homosexuals for HIV, because overeating / smoking / sodomy was a choice and choices have consequences.When the recalcitrant third of our country cause the 5th, and deadliest outbreak (in the conservative south) during winter flu season coming up.
I am sure that's how they will be forced to triage due to low capacities in those little country hospitals.
"not everyone who chooses to not take an unproven vaccine is a 'MAGA". Maybe, however: "The vaccination rate among White evangelical Protestants continues to lag behind those of other major religious groups: 57% of White evangelicals say they have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, compared with 73% of White Protestants who are not evangelicals, 75% of religiously unaffiliated adults and 82% of Catholics," reported Pew. And show me a white evangelical who isn't a MAGAt. https://www.au.org/blogs/christian-nationalists-reality?fbclid=IwAR3NrhSlbVTQDiJhu__NiEJLByFHa6_ysApQjXCWVWaV6b9FDtZcWY0eCTw.
I guess it really is true that scientists hid the "genius gene" in the vaccine, considering how many of the unvaccinated aren't.Yeah, and you're sure to find a lot of these unvaccinated evangelicals here to argue with.
And no freedom loving individuals who indulge in the subject of this website.
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It is becoming more expensive to remain unvaccinated
Sept. 22, 2021.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-health-insurance-cost-treatment/
2-3 weeks in an ICU including several days on a ventilator can cost you your house or make it damn difficult for most Americans to ever buy one. So fewer and fewer insurance companies will even share the cost of it for Covid patients who simply refused or neglected to get vaccinated.
Of course, the anti-vaxxers can always send a letter to the insurance company explaining how the "Democrat" Party doesn't know what a woman is, how Fauci changed his position on wearing a mask when more data came in for Trump's Pandemic on the issue and so on.
Maybe the insurance company will go ahead and cut that huge check to cover even half the cost or perhaps all of it if the anti-vaxxers' arguments in those letters are as convincing as they are on this forum. Lol.
Elvis 2008
09-23-21, 01:24
Aren't you the guy who continues to insist that the only people who die from COVID are old people with comorbidities? If so, then you can't have things both ways. Either you talk about only the Delta variant or not. Don't berate someone else for using an older study and cry "but not for delta."Delta is what is going on in the USA right now. When alpha was dominant in the USA, vaccine mandates could be justified. Now that Delta is dominant, they make no sense.
As to your contention that viral loads tell the whole story, "In one study from Singapore, researchers found that viral loads reached high levels in vaccinated people but dropped much faster than in those who were unvaccinated". But the quote above comes from an MIT publication, and everybody knows that MIT is far less reliable than Fucker Carlson. https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/08/09/1031292/questions-delta-variant-contagious-tranmission-vaccination/.Singapore is also one of the most vaccinated countries on earth, and it too is getting hammered with Covid.
If you knew the difference between the MAGAt-popular and the correct, you'd be vaccinated because you gave a dam about those around you. But you don't and you don't.MAGA huh? Tell me how it is that a virus made in China funded by Fauci is Trumps fault? You DDDs are intelligent but you do not have one fucking shred of common sense. I used to joke that I wish I could go on MSNBC and literally make up whatever negative things I could and blame them on Trump and see if I would be cut off. I remember only one time a liberal was reigned in when talking badly about Trump. Viral cases now have been about as bad as they ever have been, but that does not stop you douches from spewing your hate.
And I am vaccinated. That was my choice, and I do not assume to know what is best for everyone else like you do.
The funny part is that I keep seeing articles like this one about how we are just going to have live with Covid: https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646?xid=nl_vanayprasad_2021-09-22&eun=g1702169d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=VinayPrasad_092221&utm_term=NL_Gen_Int_Vinay_AYWDRL_Small_Active.
Which means everything you control freak, government loving, freedom hating spouted off over the last 18 months about how the virus could be contained was total bullshit! And the thing is you do not admit it. No, somehow despite all the facts, despite all the evidence, you douches are incapable of admitting you are and were wrong.
How do you look at the viral numbers today and say it is Trump's fault? When the military kills innocent children, you do not condemn them. You say "Under Trump, the military would have been dishonest." You love Democratic rule and government so much you love them even when they kill kids. You love and trust government even when they design a virus that kills millions.
I ask again, WTF is wrong with you people?
ScatManDoo
09-23-21, 03:33
Covid is not the Walking Dead. It is not a society-destroying virus. The survival rate is 99.9%..The survival rate in the United States is not 99.9%.
The survival rate is not even 98.8%.
There have been over 680,000 confirmed COVID-19 deaths in the United States.
To achieve a survival rate from Covid infections of 99.9% there would have needed to be 680 million infected people in the United States.
There aren't even 660 million people, wild deer and gophers combined in the United States.
Wikipedia says there are 42.5 million confirmed COVID cases in the United States.
Based on those two numbers, the survival rate is only 98.4%.
A much poorer survival rate, especially for 637,500 of the 680,000 dead victims.
And of course for consistency, we must also refuse fat people medical treatment for diabetes, heart and joint conditions; and smokers for respiratory problems; and homosexuals for HIV, because overeating / smoking / sodomy was a choice and choices have consequences.See, the difference is that you Republicants have said this since Moby Dick was a minnow. Any time anything happens, you get on your "high horse" and say "actions have consequences" with all sorts of supposed moral authority.
But now, having your own "actions have consequences" logic thrown back at you hurts, doesn't it. You think you still hold the high ground but you don't. Republican covidiocy has killed 1 in 500 Americans and will kill more.
I wish I would have thought of the following:
"Welcome to the Freedom Cafe! We trust you to make your own choices if you want to wear a face mask. And, in the same spirit of individual liberty, we allow our staff to make their own choices about the safety procedures they prefer to follow as they prepare and serve your food.
We encourage employees to wash their hands after using the bathroom, but understand that some people may be allergic to certain soaps or may simply prefer not to wash their hands. It is not our place to tell them what to do.
We understand that you may be used to chicken that has been cooked to 165 degrees. We do have to respect that some of our cooks may have seen a meme or a YouTube video saying that 100 degrees is sufficient, and we do not want to encroach on their beliefs. Some of our cooks may prefer to use the same utensils for multiple ingredients, including ingredients some customers are allergic to. That is a cook's right to do so.
Some servers may wish to touch your food as they serve it. There is no reason that a healthy person with clean hands can't touch your food. We will take their word for it that they are healthy and clean.
Water temperature and detergent are highly personal choices, and we allow our dishwashing team to decide how they'd prefer to wash the silverware you will put in your mouth.
Some of you may get sick, but almost everyone survives food poisoning. We think you'll agree that it's a small price to pay for the sweet freedom of no one ever being told what to do – and especially not for the silly reason of keeping strangers healthy."
It is becoming more expensive to remain unvaccinatedIf that's the case, Biden and Kamala should have to pay for all expenses out of their own pockets. They told the American public not to trust any vaccine developed during the Trump admin (which means don't trust any of the vaccines since they were all developed during the Trump admin.).
All people who oppose taking COVID vaccines may not be Trumpsters. But, they are all equally ignorant and selfish just the same.
The survival rate in the United States is not 99.9%.
The survival rate is not even 98.8%.
There have been over 680,000 confirmed COVID-19 deaths in the United States.
To achieve a survival rate from Covid infections of 99.9% there would have needed to be 680 million infected people in the United States.
There aren't even 660 million people, wild deer and gophers combined in the United States.
Wikipedia says there are 42.5 million confirmed COVID cases in the United States.
Based on those two numbers, the survival rate is only 98.4%.
A much poorer survival rate, especially for 637,500 of the 680,000 dead victims.Krispy Kritter only has about 12 talking points, all of which he stole from Fucker Carlson and all of which are complete BS. He recycles all of them and thinks we won't notice.
If that's the case, Biden and Kamala should have to pay for all expenses out of their own pockets. They told the American public not to trust any vaccine developed during the Trump admin (which means don't trust any of the vaccines since they were all developed during the Trump admin.).The real truth is here: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/23/tiktok-posts/biden-harris-doubted-trump-covid-19-vaccines-not-v/.
If that's the case, Biden and Kamala should have to pay for all expenses out of their own pockets. They told the American public not to trust any vaccine developed during the Trump admin (which means don't trust any of the vaccines since they were all developed during the Trump admin.).Covered this already when Golfinho, tried to make the same claim:
What's completely shameful, is your blatant misrepresentation of her quote and completely taken out of context, when you only provided as a partial quote.
HARRIS on VACCINE: "If the Doctors tell us that we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it, absolutely." "But if Donald Trump tells us to take it, I'm not taking it.".
I for one, wouldn't believe a fucking word out of Agent Orange's Clorox bleach mouth, let alone take medical advice. Have at it, if wish to take medical advice from the "Orange Pied Piper".And here, when you again made this false claim:
... It seems he saw Biden and Kamala's early videos of them saying not to trust the vaccines since the vaccines were created during the Trump admin so he didn't get vaccinated.I then asked:
Sure, I'll play along... So where's / what's your source for this, where Biden and Kamala Harris actually say this to the American public?Care to "double down" on that falsehood again?
Then you've got nothing to worry about from the unvaccinated. Mind your own business and party on.You miss the point. Again.
Breakthrough infections happen. So an unvaccinated COVIDiot can pass the infection to a vaccinated who can infect his minor children who can't yet be vaccinated. What part of this don't you understand?
No vaccine is 100% effective. Here's proof: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/six-important-things-know-about-breakthrough-infections-180978408/.
Covered this already when Golfinho, tried to make the same claim:
And here, when you again made this false claim:
I then asked:
Care to "double down" on that falsehood again?Here you go:
If Joe Biden says to take it, I'm not takin' it.
Elvis 2008
09-23-21, 22:33
On the negative side, as we have seen from over half a million VAERS reports in less than a year, it does quite a lot.
For people in vulnerable groups (elderly, obese, people with severe pre-existing conditions) it is probably worth taking the vaccine. But for healthy people under 50, the likelihood of severe negative reaction to the vax is the same or more than the likelihood of severe negative reaction to covid. Both very low.
We cannot eradicate covid. It will always be with us. The "vaccine" option is there for people who wish to probably ameliorate their symptoms if and when they get it. But it does not come near to the level of justifying the destruction of constitutional freedoms and bodily autonomy of American citizens.Great post and totally right, Chris!
It is amazing how quickly things will change. Newsom gets a recall movement because of Covid, and now you have Whitmer of Michigan agreeing to this: Democratic Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and the state legislature have agreed on a budget proposal that includes language banning health officials from enforcing mask mandates in schools and preventing state public agencies from enforcing vaccines on employees or customers.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/whitmer-michigan-mask-mandates-schools-vaccine-passports
Biden's popularity on Covid is already down 10%, and the polling in Iowa showing disapproval for Biden is scaring the snot out of Democrats.
The one thing you can be sure of with these dictatorial Democratic is that like with Whitmer the one thing that will convince these to run from the "science" is negative polling. When the pols like Whitmer start advocating for personal choice over mandates on the vaccines, you can be assured these douches will say, "I never was in favor of mandates."
In the mean time, if Republicans can make this FDA blow dart loving bureaucrat as the face of the Democratic party, they will clean up in November: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI2D8GLPYr4.
Krispy Kritter only has about 12 talking points, all of which he stole from Fucker Carlson and all of which are complete BS. He recycles all of them and thinks we won't notice.The 99.9% talking point, though a lie on its face is still heavily schewed as it takes into account all ages. So when you have some 50,60+ year old Trumpster reciting that stat it's drastically higher for them if unvaccinated.
If that's the case, Biden and Kamala should have to pay for all expenses out of their own pockets. They told the American public not to trust any vaccine developed during the Trump admin (which means don't trust any of the vaccines since they were all developed during the Trump admin.).Oh, by all means put that lie in your letter to the insurance company too and see how it goes.
And I know the anti-vax Trumpsters who fell for Trump's year long lies about how "It's a Democrat Party HOAX! We've got this under control. It will go away WITHOUT a vaccine!", discouraging anyone from bothering to invent a vaccine or take one even if a manufacturer is "foolish" enough to bother inventing one, won't even think of turning to tax-payer funded government subsidies and bailouts in Obamacare to save their ass and their house, right?
Because, you know, "Freedumb!"
Here you go:
If Joe Biden says to take it, I'm not takin' it."If Joe Biden says to take it, I'm not takin' it, but if doctors say to take it, I will."
There. Fixed it for you.
Great post and totally right, Chris!
It is amazing how quickly things will change. Newsom gets a recall movement because of Covid, and now you have Whitmer of Michigan agreeing to this: Democratic Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and the state legislature have agreed on a budget proposal that includes language banning health officials from enforcing mask mandates in schools and preventing state public agencies from enforcing vaccines on employees or customers.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/whitmer-michigan-mask-mandates-schools-vaccine-passports
Biden's popularity on Covid is already down 10%, and the polling in Iowa showing disapproval for Biden is scaring the snot out of Democrats.
The one thing you can be sure of with these dictatorial Democratic is that like with Whitmer the one thing that will convince these to run from the "science" is negative polling. When the pols like Whitmer start advocating for personal choice over mandates on the vaccines, you can be assured these douches will say, "I never was in favor of mandates."
In the mean time, if Republicans can make this FDA blow dart loving bureaucrat as the face of the Democratic party, they will clean up in November: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI2D8GLPYr4.Does the Michigan governor have a line-item veto? Yes she does.
What is the likelihood of the "mask mandate prohibition" surviving the line item veto? About as likely as a Republican giving a hoot about anybody other than themselves.
Even the the partisan audit in Arizona has failed to find any evidence of fraud. In fact Biden increased his lead. How is Trump going to get feeble minded republicans to give him money now? What is the next grift from the worlds biggest grifter? The time and money wasted so some lowlife failed entrepreneur can sooth his bruised ego!
"If Joe Biden says to take it, I'm not takin' it, but if doctors say to take it, I will."
There. Fixed it for you.Witch doctors?
Great post and totally right, Chris!
It is amazing how quickly things will change. Newsom gets a recall movement because of Covid, and now you have Whitmer of Michigan agreeing to this: Democratic Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and the state legislature have agreed on a budget proposal that includes language banning health officials from enforcing mask mandates in schools and preventing state public agencies from enforcing vaccines on employees or customers.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/whitmer-michigan-mask-mandates-schools-vaccine-passports
Biden's popularity on Covid is already down 10%, and the polling in Iowa showing disapproval for Biden is scaring the snot out of Democrats.
The one thing you can be sure of with these dictatorial Democratic is that like with Whitmer the one thing that will convince these to run from the "science" is negative polling. When the pols like Whitmer start advocating for personal choice over mandates on the vaccines, you can be assured these douches will say, "I never was in favor of mandates."
In the mean time, if Republicans can make this FDA blow dart loving bureaucrat as the face of the Democratic party, they will clean up in November: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI2D8GLPYr4.Excellent post. In fact Whitmer. Like many senior democrats. Should be in prison, on manslaughter charges for her deliberate forcing of elderly care homes to accept covid positive people, which resulted in the deaths of many of the state's most vulnerable. Most of whom were from a demographic that leans republican, which undoubtedly factored into her scheme.
As the old saying goes, lock her up.
As for cleaning up in November, in a serious and secure election I have no doubt the republicans would clean up next year (as they would have last year).
Unfortunately, in today's clown world of millions of "mail-in" ballots spammed out to whoever, wherever and "collected" en masse by democrat operatives; democrat-controlled cities ejecting GOP observers from the count, pausing it when things aren't going their way and suddenly "discovering" a pallot of just the hundreds of thousands of 98% democrat votes they need to win; and millions of democrat-voting illegals pouring over the border and being sent by Biden's handlers to swing states where they are sure to pick up a ballot or ten: one can never be too sure.
"not everyone who chooses to not take an unproven vaccine is a 'MAGA". Maybe, however: "The vaccination rate among White evangelical Protestants continues to lag behind those of other major religious groups: 57% of White evangelicals say they have received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, compared with 73% of White Protestants who are not evangelicals, 75% of religiously unaffiliated adults and 82% of Catholics," reported Pew. And show me a white evangelical who isn't a MAGAt. https://www.au.org/blogs/christian-nationalists-reality?fbclid=IwAR3NrhSlbVTQDiJhu__NiEJLByFHa6_ysApQjXCWVWaV6b9FDtZcWY0eCTw.
I guess it really is true that scientists hid the "genius gene" in the vaccine, considering how many of the unvaccinated aren't.The group in America with the lowest level vaccination is blacks. Not known for their support of Republicans.
And I know the anti-vax Trumpsters who fell for Trump's year long lies about how "It's a Democrat Party HOAX! We've got this under control. It will go away WITHOUT a vaccine!", discouraging anyone from bothering to invent a vaccine or take one even if a manufacturer is "foolish" enough to bother inventing one"What on earth are you blabbering on about? The virus came to America in 2020. Within the same year, Trump had not only encouraged and supported companies in inventing a vaccine, he had got it approved and into use.
Hardly a "year long lie that it would go away without a vaccine", is it? You really need to put a little more nuance into your lies: I doubt even Pelosi would put out such an unqualified whopper. Then again.
You miss the point. Again.
Breakthrough infections happen.We are now discovering that infections happen just as easily to vaccinated people. Thousands of them have contracted and passed on the virus. Yes, even to their children! Which doesn't matter because children are less vulnerable to covid than to flu.
Of course this was not how the "vaccine" was sold. It was sold like other vaccines. Measles, mumps, rubella, Hep be, etc. In that once you've got it you are totally immune.
Instead, we now find out that it doesn't work, and there have been over 500,000 adverse effects reported on the VAERS system (a small fraction of the actual number).
Yet again, Fauci lied. He funded the virus. He lied and twisted with the political wind about it. And then he lied about the effectiveness of the gene therapy "vaccine". Why isn't he (along with Whitmer, Cuomo, Bill and Hillary, Podesta and many others) in jail?
There have been over 680,000 confirmed COVID-19 deaths in the United States.
To achieve a survival rate from Covid infections of 99.9% there would have needed to be 680 million infected people in the United States.
There aren't even 660 million people, wild deer and gophers combined in the United States.
Wikipedia says there are 42.5 million confirmed COVID cases in the United States.No, there have been 680,000 people who died with covid. The vast majority had comorbidities and would have died anyway. Average age of death is mid-80's, and were on their way out with unrelated illness. We have also seen infamous cases such as the guy who died in a motorbike crash counted as a "covid" death.
The number of people who died *of* (not with) covid, with no comorbidity, is a tiny fraction of that.
On the other side, the number of covid cases is far higher than the 42.5 m confirmed cases. About half of people who contract it don't even have symptoms. Others will have symptoms similar to flu, just stay at home and self-medicate and then recover in a few days. Neither of these groups are in confirmed cases because nobody knows they had it. Total actual cases will be north of a million.
It is more like 100,000 out of 100,000,000, or a 99.9% survival rate.
The rightwingnuts here keep trying to convince us that the COVID vaccines don't work because some fully vaccinated individuals get COVID. Or that the COVID vaccine is worse than other vaccines which provide lifelong protection from disease.
My "medical credentials" are the same as 99.9% of the people reading this. None. However, I do know how to research.
So let's dispel the second myth first: that other vaccines provide lifelong immunity. A quick look at the chart in the attached article ought to quickly dispel that fantasy: https://www.immune.org.nz/vaccines/efficiency-effectiveness A quote from this article will take us to our second lie, that the vaccines don't work because they don't provide 100% protection: "No vaccine is 100% effective".
That's right, boys and girls! No vaccine is 100% effective. ".
But wait, you say. The media always talk about "efficacy" not "effectiveness". This might confuse others, too. Because there's a difference between the two. Efficacy is a "clinical trial" word and effectiveness refers to the "real world". This quote says it better than I can: "Volunteers taking part in vaccine clinical trials often undergo close monitoring. The trial team is usually aware of the participants' general health and any relevant health conditions. Participants usually report any side effects and may fill out daily symptom monitoring diaries. Many clinical trials have exclusion criteria such as pregnancy, particular health conditions, and age. Trials involving experimental vaccines rarely include children or seniors until scientists have collected a significant amount of safety data to protect these groups from potential harm. Vaccine efficacy only provides information about how well a vaccine works under the conditions of the clinical trial. Scientists usually base it on factors that they can quantify, such as numbers of laboratory-confirmed cases of COVID-19. But the ideal conditions of a clinical trial do not necessarily reflect what is happening in the real world outside of clinical trials. Vaccine effectiveness tells us how well a vaccine works under real-world conditions once people outside of clinical trials receive the vaccine. Many factors can influence how a vaccine performs outside of clinical trials. One of these is the health of those receiving the vaccine. Underlying health conditions can affect vaccine effectiveness. Another factor is how the disease-causing pathogen changes with time. The viruses that cause the flu are prone to mutations that make vaccines less effective. Vaccine developers update the flu shot every year to try to achieve a good match to the most prevailing seasonal flu strains. " The quote above is from https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/what-is-vaccine-efficacy#Efficacy-versus-effectiveness.
So if the COVID vaccine isn't 100% effective, then it is worse than other vaccines because those other vaccines are 100% effective, right? Wrong! Look at the chart here: http://www.bccdc.ca/resource-gallery/Documents/Guidelines%20and%20Forms/Guidelines%20and%20Manuals/Epid/CD%20Manual/Chapter%202%20-%20Imms/VaccineImmunogenicity.pdf Virtually none of these common vaccines are 100% effective..
But what about the delta variant? Imagine you're a student and you're about to take a final exam in Civil War History. Your teacher has said the exam questions will be on "battles". You spend your time focusing your studies on Gettysburg, Antietam, Atlanta etc. Imagine your surprise when the exam asks questions about Perryville, Malvern Hill and Honey Springs. How well would you do? Would you get a see? A the? Or would you flunk? The same with the COVID vaccines. They were developed to be effective for the original strain of COVID, They are less effective against the delta strain. But they still get a be. Better than you, huh?
So, the only people who expected the vaccine to be 100% effective 100% of the time were the rightwingnuts. In other words, the same ones who believe that ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine are COVID cures.
ScatManDoo
09-24-21, 18:21
Excellent post. In fact Whitmer. Like many senior democrats. Should be in prison, on manslaughter charges for her deliberate forcing of elderly care homes to accept covid positive people, which resulted in the deaths of many of the state's most vulnerable. Most of whom were from a demographic that leans republican, which undoubtedly factored into her scheme.Numerous 'big-city' democrats were faced with the logistical nightmare in the Trump Pandemic's earliest days looking for all the beds needed for all these fucking sick people.
Nursing home empty beds looked good initially, but we now know that was a colossal misstep.
I doubt Whitmer thought ahead all the way to the conclusion of depopulating her political opposition.
But this is good to know for the future planning when the final nails to the GOP party's coffin is ready after just a few more years of TrumpShit.
Excellent post. In fact Whitmer. Like many senior democrats. Should be in prison, on manslaughter charges for her deliberate forcing of elderly care homes to accept covid positive people, which resulted in the deaths of many of the state's most vulnerable. Most of whom were from a demographic that leans republican, which undoubtedly factored into her scheme.
As the old saying goes, lock her up.
As for cleaning up in November, in a serious and secure election I have no doubt the republicans would clean up next year (as they would have last year).
Unfortunately, in today's clown world of millions of "mail-in" ballots spammed out to whoever, wherever and "collected" en masse by democrat operatives; democrat-controlled cities ejecting GOP observers from the count, pausing it when things aren't going their way and suddenly "discovering" a pallot of just the hundreds of thousands of 98% democrat votes they need to win; and millions of democrat-voting illegals pouring over the border and being sent by Biden's handlers to swing states where they are sure to pick up a ballot or ten: one can never be too sure.Does the Michigan governor have a line-item veto? Yes she does.
What is the likelihood of the "mask mandate prohibition" surviving the line item veto? About as likely as a Republican giving a hoot about anybody other than themselves.
The group in America with the lowest level vaccination is blacks. Not known for their support of Republicans.BFD. Republicans are less likely to have been vaccinated than Democrats. By almost 13%. https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-red-blue-divide-in-covid-19-vaccination-rates/.
What on earth are you blabbering on about? The virus came to America in 2020. Within the same year, Trump had not only encouraged and supported companies in inventing a vaccine, he had got it approved and into use.
Hardly a "year long lie that it would go away without a vaccine", is it? You really need to put a little more nuance into your lies: I doubt even Pelosi would put out such an unqualified whopper. Then again.As late as the second half of October 2020, Trump was still repeatedly and proudly proclaiming his Pandemic was disappearing, running its course, petering out, ending "even WITHOUT the vaccine."
Trump returns to public campaigning, falsely claiming that the virus that infected him is disappearing
Oct. 10, 2020.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-returns-to-public-campaigning-falsely-claiming-that-the-virus-that-infected-him-is-disappearing/2020/10/10/381002c2-0b37-11eb-9be6-cf25fb429f1a_story.html
It's going to disappear':
A timeline of Trump's claims that Covid-19 will vanish
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/
"The vaccine will end the pandemic. But its ending anyway. I mean, they go crazy when I say it. Its going to peter out and its going to end. But were going to help the end and were gonna make it a lot faster with the vaccine and with the therapeutics and frankly with the cures."
- President Trump, October 15, 2020
"Even without the vaccine, the pandemics going to end. Its gonna run its course. Its gonna end. Theyll go crazy. He said without the vaccine watch, itll be a headline tomorrow. These people are crazy. No, its running its course."
- President Trump, October 16, 2020
Trump got his first briefing about threat in November, 2019:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/intelligence-report-warned-coronavirus-crisis-early-november-sources/story?id=70031273
He pocketed that info, did not discuss it publicly. Obviously, that meant zero promotion pf a vaccine or suggestion one would ever be needed.
By February, Trump was already predicting it would disappear any day now.
Yeah, I'm going to call November 2019 to October 2020 a year of dismissing any reason for someone to bother inventingna vaccine for it.
The group in America with the lowest level vaccination is blacks. Not known for their support of Republicans.Only about 14% of Americans are black. If 100% of them were Democrats and every one of them decided to keep the Trump's Pandemic variants developing until one finally overrides all current vaccine protections by refusing to get vaccinated it would pale compared to white Repubs' contributions to achieving that goal.
Even the the partisan audit in Arizona has failed to find any evidence of fraud. In fact Biden increased his lead. How is Trump going to get feeble minded republicans to give him money now? What is the next grift from the worlds biggest grifter? The time and money wasted so some lowlife failed entrepreneur can sooth his bruised ego!These Biden/Dem-hating Trumpster/Repub suckers are really gluttons for punishment. It might be Trump's only talent or skill; being able to identify, target and continue to con the biggest self-loathing gullible suckers in the room (or country) who apparently never run out of money, self-respect or dignity to hand over to him as long as he keeps telling them blatantly obvious and ridiculously easily debunked lies.
Including the repeated recounts in Georgia, this one in Arizona and elsewhere, these pathetic Repubs have had to experience Biden kicking Trump's butt in an election landslide a half a dozen times so far.
Trump isn't doing it just for his ego and the sadistic thrill of making total fools of everyone who voted for him, although that is no doubt a big part of it. The dude obviously really badly needs the cash flow.
Elvis 2008
09-24-21, 21:36
The rightwingnuts here keep trying to convince us that the COVID vaccines don't work because some fully vaccinated individuals get COVID. Or that the COVID vaccine is worse than other vaccines which provide lifelong protection from disease.Sorry, semantic douche, you are just creating a straw man so let me restate the "right wing nuts" position.
First, mandates are not justifiable for the Covid vaccine when they do not work to prevent transmission.
Second, given the risks and benefits of the vaccine, no one has any right to impose their beliefs on anyone else.
You douches really do want to give the vaccine via blow dart, and you just pretend like the side effects do not exist, that vaccinating everyone is going to make us go back to 2018 when no one wore masks, and Biden will be celebrated as a hero. Sorry even if you could do that and vaccinate everyone, that is not going to happen. These vaccines, which started with so much promise, really have been a disappointment.
Only about 14% of Americans are black. If 100% of them were Democrats and every one of them decided to keep the Trump's Pandemic variants developing until one finally overrides all current vaccine protections by refusing to get vaccinated it would pale compared to white Repubs' contributions to achieving that goal.If you had read your fellow dem douche's post (maybe you wrote it) you would see that he was referring to white evangelicals.
White evangelicals constitute a similar proportion of the US population to blacks: somewhere between 15 and 20%. Just as approximately 90% of the black vote goes to the democrats, around 90% of the white evangelical vote goes to the republicans.
So the groups are comparable. And blacks have the lower vaccination rate of the two. Naturally, the fake news and dem douches ignore that in their never-ending attempts to attack white people. Kind of like how they focus their attacks on the Second Amendment against law-abiding white conservative rural and suburban long gun owners, when the vast majority of illegal shootings and killings are carred out by minorities in ghettoes.
The left and fake media never let reality get in the way of their false narrative.
As to "overriding vaccine protections", as has already been established, vaxed people can catch and spread covid just like non-vaxed. See Oscar de la Hoya, double-vaxed but forced to pull out of his boxing comeback because he got covid.
All the vaccine does is somewhat reduce symptoms. It does not prevent contraction or passing on of the virus. In short, it does not work and Fauci lied (again).
The group in America with the lowest level vaccination is blacks. Not known for their support of Republicans.White people in the United States make up 60% of the unvaccinated. Also, their rate of increase in getting vaccinated is lower than for blacks and Hispanics, who are picking up speed. Further, the issue with blacks and browns isn't simply about hesitancy. It also has everything to do with access, with wealthier white people having more access to vaccines (and all matter of lifesaving healthcare) than do people of color. The inequality in access to vaccines and medicines is both inter and intra-continental in scope and impact on the less fortunate, with the wealthy having access to more than their fair share, or what they even need.
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/
No, there have been 680,000 people who died with covid. The vast majority had comorbidities and would have died anyway. Average age of death is mid-80's, and were on their way out with unrelated illness. We have also seen infamous cases such as the guy who died in a motorbike crash counted as a "covid" death.
The number of people who died *of* (not with) covid, with no comorbidity, is a tiny fraction of that.
On the other side, the number of covid cases is far higher than the 42.5 m confirmed cases. About half of people who contract it don't even have symptoms. Others will have symptoms similar to flu, just stay at home and self-medicate and then recover in a few days. Neither of these groups are in confirmed cases because nobody knows they had it. Total actual cases will be north of a million.
It is more like 100,000 out of 100,000,000, or a 99.9% survival rate.The point of all this is what? Many people who have had Covid now have permanent lung damage, amputations, chronic fatigue and other long term effects. The point is there are widespread vaccinations for many diseases. The point these diseases are no longer widespread shows the benefit of these programs. This is not about freedom of choice it is about the general wellbeing of society. Just like sending people off to wars. The virus has mutated several times and one day we may need to start this whole process again if we do not control it now. The sooner it is controlled and dies out the better. That is achieved more effectively by vaccination than catching it and hoping a long term immunity results, presuming you don't die or become an invalid. So what's the point of all your discussion? You want this virus to perpetuate? You want to give it as much chance to further mutate as possible? You want to give the gullible the best chance for death and disablement? You are so wrapped up in your anti Democrat, anti government rhetoric that you cannot allow yourself to accept that sometime you need to put away your anger and accept some things need to be done for the greater good?
As late as the second half of October 2020, Trump was still repeatedly and proudly proclaiming his Pandemic was disappearing, running its course, petering out, ending "even WITHOUT the vaccine."Weak, even by your abysmal standards.
Trump stated that the pandemic would end even without the vaccine, which is true. Every pandemic ends. The Spanish flu ended, despite being vastly more virulent and damaging than covid.
But Trump moved heaven and earth to get the vaccine developed and implemented within a year. We all know that if the do-nothing democrats had been there, it would have taken five.
(Frankly, if the democrats had been in power, the media wouldn't even have made an issue of covid and just written it off as the flu, given that almost everyone who dies with it is over 80 and / or has another comorbidity which would have done away with them anyway. The entire hysteria was just another massively exaggerated fake anti-Trump psy-op).
Even the the partisan audit in Arizona has failed to find any evidence of fraud. In fact Biden increased his lead. How is Trump going to get feeble minded republicans to give him money now? What is the next grift from the worlds biggest grifter? The time and money wasted so some lowlife failed entrepreneur can sooth his bruised ego!However, I think, this grifter squid vampire, has yet to suck the life savings from his gullible base, so the money sucking grift will continue, from Trump-Quackula.
"Voter Fraud Forensic Audit", from the Cyber Ninjas, what a joke! But I got to give them brownie points, on taking the legal art of fleecing the American public, to a whole new level.
Weak, even by your abysmal standards.
Trump stated that the pandemic would end even without the vaccine, which is true. Every pandemic ends. The Spanish flu ended, despite being vastly more virulent and damaging than covid.
But Trump moved heaven and earth to get the vaccine developed and implemented within a year. We all know that if the do-nothing democrats had been there, it would have taken five.
(Frankly, if the democrats had been in power, the media wouldn't even have made an issue of covid and just written it off as the flu, given that almost everyone who dies with it is over 80 and / or has another comorbidity which would have done away with them anyway. The entire hysteria was just another massively exaggerated fake anti-Trump psy-op).I see.
So your very strong counter argument to my actual links detailing Trump's repeated assertions that his Pandemic WAS going away "WITHOUT a vaccine!" for, at minimum, 10-11 months (right up to within days of the November 2020 election) after he learned about the threat of such a Pandemic possibly developing if only a so-called potus helped it along by word and deed was that in February 2020 when he said it will probably be gone by April...he REALLY meant April 2030, April 2040, April 2050 or something like that after several million Americans died from it without anyone bothering to invent a vaccine for it, right?
Well, damn. I guess I wasn't in tune with the Trump/Repub "nuance" on the whole thing.
I would call those repeated assertions deadly, shockingly irresponsible, self-serving lies that would only discourage anyone from bothering to waste their time and money inventing a vaccine for it, much less taking any unnecessary risk, however tiny, in taking a vaccine for it.
But, by golly, you put your conservative Repub mind to it and managed to convince yourself those early and often repeated assertions right up to just days before the November 2020 election were kinda' sorta' "true" and even heroically "helpful" to getting a vaccine invented and then taken asap. Impressive.
Weak, even by your abysmal standards.
But Trump moved heaven and earth to get the vaccine developed and implemented within a year. We all know that if the do-nothing democrats had been there, it would have taken five.Since 2000, taxpayer dollars have financed the development of various vaccine platforms for HIV, pandemic flu, and other threats to public health. In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, the government leveraged investments in those platforms in three ways. First, it supported additional preclinical studies. Second, it absorbed the bulk of human testing costs and risk through a set of contracts that paid for the various phases of vaccine development and manufacturing. And third, it reduced manufacturing risk by underwriting capacity investments.
So Trump spent other peoples money to direct funds into existing programs to develop Covid Vaccines. Trump could not even read a medical research paper yet alone move heaven and earth to have a vaccine developed.
Democrats would have leveraged off the same programs to achieve the same thing because that is why we fund Government departments to orchestrate these types of programs. Given its the blue states where the majority of tech and entrepreneurs reside and get support from democratic governments, you should be grateful for democrats who do this for you, unlike the red states who grow stuff and dig stuff thanks to huge government bailouts and tax breaks.
Further, the issue with blacks and browns isn't simply about hesitancy. It also has everything to do with access, with wealthier white people having more access to vaccines (and all matter of lifesaving healthcare) than do people of color. The inequality in access to vaccines and medicines is both inter and intra-continental in scope and impact on the less fortunate, with the wealthy having access to more than their fair share, or what they even need.
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/I'm calling BS on that whole access and equity part. I'm a Black American and from a deep south state and I can tell you many of my fellow Black Americans have not gotten the vaccine, not because they don't have access, the White Republican governor of the state as well as other Federal agencies have made it so that anyone who wants one can get one for free with vaccine drives all over the place. It's just a matter of people not wanting to get one. You have one party of so called "Dem-Progressives" always saying they are on your side, but are willing and ready to import a new crop of broke folks into your neighborhood and give them benefits galore while they only give lip service to so called Reparation's for your ancestors. Same as with the ID to access to vote, they say you're not smart enough to figure out how to pick up an ID to vote, yet the same Dems will open the borders and let people into the country with no ID and they wind up getting one later.
Elvis 2008
09-25-21, 06:00
This is not about freedom of choice it is about the general wellbeing of society. The virus has mutated several times and one day we may need to start this whole process again if we do not control it now. The sooner it is controlled and dies out the better. That is achieved more effectively by vaccination than catching it and hoping a long term immunity results, presuming you don't die or become an invalid. So what's the point of all your discussion? You want this virus to perpetuate? You want to give it as much chance to further mutate as possible? You want to give the gullible the best chance for death and disablement? You are so wrapped up in your anti Democrat, anti government rhetoric that you cannot allow yourself to accept that sometime you need to put away your anger and accept some things need to be done for the greater good?Actually, the anti-government sentiment is aimed at Dictatorial Democratic douches like yourself who still believe that government can control a virus. You believe that because your party associated a virus paid for by Fauci created in China with Trump. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/508449-pelosi-refers-to-coronavirus-as-the-trump-virus.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/opinion/coronavirus-trump.html
So you keep spreading this pro-government crap that the virus can be contained as long as we March in lockstep and do whatever the government says.
It has been nearly 18 months now and everyone is sick to the death of this crap and we have concluded governments do not know what the fuck they are talking about. They have used this as a means to achieve fame, control, power, and wealth, and smart people see that.
But you don't. You do not get viruses that survive in other species never will be eradicated. See the link: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/animals.html#text=%E2%80%A2%20 Recent%20 experimental%20 research%20 shows, infected%20 with%20 the%20 virus.
Recent experimental research shows that many mammals, including cats, dogs, bank voles, ferrets, fruit bats, hamsters, mink, pigs, rabbits, racoon dogs, tree shrews, and white-tailed deer can be infected with the virus. Cats, ferrets, fruit bats, hamsters, racoon dogs, and white-tailed deer can also spread the infection to other animals of the same species in laboratory settings.
Investigations found that mink from a Michigan farm and a small number of people were infected with SARS-CoV-2 that contained unique mink-related mutations (changes in the virus's genetic material). This suggests mink-to-human spread might have occurred.
Finding these mutations in mink on the Michigan farm is not unexpected because they have been seen before in mink from farms in the Netherlands and Denmark, and also in people linked to mink farms worldwide.
So I tell you what, GDreams, you Dictatorial Democratic douche, how about you see about getting minks to social distance, wash their hands, wear masks and get vaccinated? And after that, you work on all the other animals. And once you achieve that with minks and all the other animals, then you come tell us what to do? Better get to work!
I'm calling BS on that whole access and equity part. I'm a Black American and from a deep south state and I can tell you many of my fellow Black Americans have not gotten the vaccine, not because they don't have access, the White Republican governor of the state as well as other Federal agencies have made it so that anyone who wants one can get one for free with vaccine drives all over the place. It's just a matter of people not wanting to get one. You have one party of so called "Dem-Progressives" always saying they are on your side, but are willing and ready to import a new crop of broke folks into your neighborhood and give them benefits galore while they only give lip service to so called Reparation's for your ancestors. Same as with the ID to access to vote, they say you're not smart enough to figure out how to pick up an ID to vote, yet the same Dems will open the borders and let people into the country with no ID and they wind up getting one later.Great job muddying the waters with welfare benefits, reparations, and voter ID! None of which has anything to do with COVID vaccination rates "Doctor" Bombay! At least stay on topic. Geez!
Sorry, semantic douche, you are just creating a straw man so let me restate the "right wing nuts" position.
First, mandates are not justifiable for the Covid vaccine when they do not work to prevent transmission.
Second, given the risks and benefits of the vaccine, no one has any right to impose their beliefs on anyone else.
You douches really do want to give the vaccine via blow dart, and you just pretend like the side effects do not exist, that vaccinating everyone is going to make us go back to 2018 when no one wore masks, and Biden will be celebrated as a hero. Sorry even if you could do that and vaccinate everyone, that is not going to happen. These vaccines, which started with so much promise, really have been a disappointment.You really like to use the word "douche", do you? Hasn't anyone told you that usage of that term in people with normal mental capacity stops in the third grade?
First, mandates are not justifiable for the Covid vaccine when they do not work to prevent transmission. No vaccine is 100% effective. I stated that fact in my post. Several times, I believe. Since no vaccine is 100% effective, why don't you rail against all vaccines and not just the COVID vaccine? Something is very wrong when you ***** about the COVID vaccine not being 100% effective as the reason not to mandate it since many vaccines are mandated that are also not 100% effective.
Second, given the risks and benefits of the vaccine, no one has any right to impose their beliefs on anyone else. Like here? Welcome to the Freedom Cafe! We trust you to make your own choices if you want to wear a face mask. And, in the same spirit of individual liberty, we allow our staff to make their own choices about the safety procedures they prefer to follow as they prepare and serve your food.
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Weak, even by your abysmal standards.
Trump stated that the pandemic would end even without the vaccine, which is true. Every pandemic ends. The Spanish flu ended, despite being vastly more virulent and damaging than covid.
But Trump moved heaven and earth to get the vaccine developed and implemented within a year. We all know that if the do-nothing democrats had been there, it would have taken five.
(Frankly, if the democrats had been in power, the media wouldn't even have made an issue of covid and just written it off as the flu, given that almost everyone who dies with it is over 80 and / or has another comorbidity which would have done away with them anyway. The entire hysteria was just another massively exaggerated fake anti-Trump psy-op).Trump stated that the pandemic would end even without the vaccine, which is true. Every pandemic ends. The Spanish flu ended, despite being vastly more virulent and damaging than covid. The "Spanish Flu" killed 25 million to 50 million people worldwide. What an insanely tone-deaf statement to make. Even for you.
https://time.com/5894403/how-the-1918-flu-pandemic-ended/
I'm calling BS on that whole access and equity part. I'm a Black American and from a deep south state and I can tell you many of my fellow Black Americans have not gotten the vaccine, not because they don't have access, the White Republican governor of the state as well as other Federal agencies have made it so that anyone who wants one can get one for free with vaccine drives all over the place. It's just a matter of people not wanting to get one. You have one party of so called "Dem-Progressives" always saying they are on your side, but are willing and ready to import a new crop of broke folks into your neighborhood and give them benefits galore while they only give lip service to so called Reparation's for your ancestors. Same as with the ID to access to vote, they say you're not smart enough to figure out how to pick up an ID to vote, yet the same Dems will open the borders and let people into the country with no ID and they wind up getting one later.Every state? Every area of every state?
Just more horse hockey, this time from somebody who claims to be black.
However, I think, this grifter squid vampire, has yet to suck the life savings from his gullible base, so the money sucking grift will continue, from Trump-Quackula.
"Voter Fraud Forensic Audit", from the Cyber Ninjas, what a joke! But I got to give them brownie points, on taking the legal art of fleecing the American public, to a whole new level.Now that the Arizona "audit" is over and all of the BS "issues" have been debunked (https://news.yahoo.com/ap-fact-check-pro-trump-022310695.html), the grift will now move to Texas. From there, who knows.
This is only a about two things: sucking more money out of gullible trumpers and keeping the former guy's name in front of the toothless.
Actually, the anti-government sentiment is aimed at Dictatorial Democratic douches like yourself who still believe that government can control a virus. You believe that because your party associated a virus paid for by Fauci created in China with Trump. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/508449-pelosi-refers-to-coronavirus-as-the-trump-virus.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/opinion/coronavirus-trump.html
So you keep spreading this pro-government crap that the virus can be contained as long as we March in lockstep and do whatever the government says.
It has been nearly 18 months now and everyone is sick to the death of this crap and we have concluded governments do not know what the fuck they are talking about. They have used this as a means to achieve fame, control, power, and wealth, and smart people see that.
But you don't. You do not get viruses that survive in other species never will be eradicated. See the link: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/animals.html#text=%E2%80%A2%20 Recent%20 experimental%20 research%20 shows, infected%20 with%20 the%20 virus.
Recent experimental research shows that many mammals, including cats, dogs, bank voles, ferrets, fruit bats, hamsters, mink, pigs, rabbits, racoon dogs, tree shrews, and white-tailed deer can be infected with the virus. Cats, ferrets, fruit bats, hamsters, racoon dogs, and white-tailed deer can also spread the infection to other animals of the same species in laboratory settings.Wow. "Actually, the anti-government sentiment is aimed at Dictatorial Democratic douches like yourself who still believe that government can control a virus.".
Who funded giving the polio vaccine to kids in the 50's and 60's? The government.
When was the last case of polio that originated in the US? 1979.
How effective were the Salk and Sabin polio vaccines? 80% to 90%. (The COVID vaccines are about 80% or more effective against delta).
Did the government eradicate polio? Duh, of course.
Now that the Arizona "audit" is over and all of the BS "issues" have been debunked (https://news.yahoo.com/ap-fact-check-pro-trump-022310695.html), the grift will now move to Texas. From there, who knows.
This is only a about two things: sucking more money out of gullible trumpers and keeping the former guy's name in front of the toothless."Cyber Ninjas" to the rescue, not. And this was supposed to be Chris' smoking gun. What the hell happened Chris? Why not stop spreading lies, undermining American democracy and pretending to be a patriot? Nevermind, you are way to invested in the lies to turn back now, is just no way to save face at this point.
SouthEaster
09-25-21, 22:09
Once again with we all know (alternated every other post with "everyone knows" Actually "douche" (I am doing an Elvis! We don't all know. How about coming up with sources for your "we all know" claims? No? Didn't think so.
ScatManDoo
09-26-21, 00:22
After several people involved in the counting of the votes have claimed voter fraud in the election Republicans are trying to do a recount which they are entitled to. The democrats are trying to block it in every way. Letters to the editor in local newspapers today are demanding that they do not do a recount. I know several people on this site don't want a recount or investigation either. If I was accused of wrongdoing and had done nothing wrong I would welcome an audit and prove my innocence. Why are the democrats trying to block this if they are innocent or if there is no wrong doing. Why is it when democrats are accused of anything they don't want to be investigated? They are scared the truth will come out. Only a guilty party would refuse evidence. If there was no fraud then just let them recount. If there was fraud keep fighting the recount.This is what Canada had to say on May 5th, 2021, when things were gearing up for the Arizona recount.
Promises were big about what an Arizona Audit was going to uncover from Canada, Chris P, and others.
Elvis 2008
09-26-21, 02:11
Wow. "Actually, the anti-government sentiment is aimed at Dictatorial Democratic douches like yourself who still believe that government can control a virus.".
Who funded giving the polio vaccine to kids in the 50's and 60's? The government.
When was the last case of polio that originated in the US? 1979.This is what I mean by being a dictatorial Democratic. You cheer on government when one government funded Covid and another produced it and had it spill. So if Ted Bundy helps a little old lady across the street, does that make him a good guy? The most brutal crimes in history have been committed by governments. That is something you douches seem to forget.
As for the rest of it, you are just piling on so many false analogies and straw men I am not going to respond: not washing hands, not giving the polio vaccine, undercooking chicken. Who is for those things, and why are you bringing it up?
You really like to use the word "douche", do you? Hasn't anyone told you that usage of that term in people with normal mental capacity stops in the third grade?
Funny, you asked. I believe I did ask Elvis a while ago not to call his opponents 'douches' to which, I think, he replied by calling me a douche, LOL.
Funny, you asked. I believe I did ask Elvis a while ago not to call his opponents 'douches' to which, I think, he replied by calling me a douche, LOL.An old boss used to call people like that "DK squareds", meaning that "they don't know that they don't know".
There are many people on this board who don't have the mental acuity to pass 3rd grade 'syents' (science to the rest of us).
These folks have probably heard the term breakthrough infection but certainly don't have the foggiest idea what the term means. Actually, the definition isn't complex: "A breakthrough infection is a case of illness in which a vaccinated individual becomes sick from the same illness that the vaccine is meant to prevent." In other words, people vaccinated against a certain disease can get infected by that disease!
Why is that? It is because no vaccine is 100% effective. That's right! No vaccine is 100% effective. Here's a chart that shows how effective certain common vaccines are. Note that some are 98% effective while others are less so. http://www.bccdc.ca/resource-gallery/Documents/Guidelines%20and%20Forms/Guidelines%20and%20Manuals/Epid/CD%20Manual/Chapter%202%20-%20Imms/VaccineImmunogenicity.pdf.
The important thing about the chart is the knowledge that no vaccine is 100% effective.
Viruses also mutate over time. When large segments of a population are unvaccinated, the more chances the virus has to mutate. That's what is currently happening with COVID. It also happens yearly with the flu. "Another factor is how the disease-causing pathogen changes with time. The viruses that cause the flu are prone to mutations that make vaccines less effective. Vaccine developers update the flu shot every year to try to achieve a good match to the most prevailing seasonal flu strains. " https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/what-is-vaccine-efficacy#Efficacy-versus-effectiveness.
So, whenever you hear so BS about how the COVID vaccines don't work because people can still get infected and spread COVID, understand that these folks rode the short bus all through school.
Trump stated that the pandemic would end even without the vaccine, which is true. Every pandemic ends. The Spanish flu ended, despite being vastly more virulent and damaging than covid. The "Spanish Flu" killed 25 million to 50 million people worldwide. What an insanely tone-deaf statement to make. Even for you.
https://time.com/5894403/how-the-1918-flu-pandemic-ended/And that was in 1918 before domestic and international airline travel could spread a virus all over the country and the world within weeks or months. All the more reason NOT to defund and pull out the CDC monitors and other Pandemic Prevention and Response teams from those Chinese labs whose job it was to keep tabs on, report, prevent and quickly call a response to the first evidence of a possible pandemic developing. Which is what Trump did in 2018 against all expert advice and warnings not to do something so astonishingly foolish and dangerous.
No Dem would have done that. But many Repubs would have done exactly what Trump did and would do it again if given the opportunity.
LOL. So now we're supposed to shrug off, forgive and forget the dozens of times over almost a slap year until just days before the November 2020 election that Trump publicly repeated his lie that Trump's Pandemic virus "WAS disappearing, petering out, there will be NO coronavirus in the Fall (of 2020)", etc, etc, etc and that it would end "WITHOUT a vaccine!", therefore there is no reason for any manufacturer to waste their time and money inventing a vaccine for it or for anyone in the world to assume even the tiniest risk by taking a vaccine for it, because he only meant it would end someday, sometime in the unknown distant future after millions upon millions more Americans and others around the world had died from it for lack of anyone inventing a vaccine or taking one.
Now that the Arizona "audit" is over and all of the BS "issues" have been debunked (https://news.yahoo.com/ap-fact-check-pro-trump-022310695.html), the grift will now move to Texas. From there, who knows.
This is only a about two things: sucking more money out of gullible trumpers and keeping the former guy's name in front of the toothless.Not so fast. As long as there is more sucker money in it somewhere for the Repub grifters and con artists to get their grubby mitts on, it is never over:
Arizona GOP Chair Calls For New Audit After Biden Confirmed Winner Again
9/24/21
https://www.newsweek.com/arizona-gop-chair-calls-new-audit-after-biden-confirmed-winner-again-1632669?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1632533141.
Not so fast. As long as there is more sucker money in it somewhere for the Repub grifters and con artists to get their grubby mitts on, it is never over:
Arizona GOP Chair Calls For New Audit After Biden Confirmed Winner Again
9/24/21
https://www.newsweek.com/arizona-gop-chair-calls-new-audit-after-biden-confirmed-winner-again-1632669?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1632533141.These are the lowest forms of persons, pressuring foreign governments to attack political opponents, spreading election lies, downplaying a pandemic with pseudo-science, orchestrating coups, stealing and grifting, it's time to stop making distinctions between those who act in these matters and those who passively support it with mental gymnastics and silence. We are the USA, and while you perpetuate such you are not of us.
New Audit.It took all these years for it to be confirmed that Clinton colluded with Russia, not Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k6X03XvxWw
ScatManDoo
09-26-21, 19:06
This is also what was said by Canada back on May 5th about the beginning of the Arizona recount:
It has already been recounted under official guidelines. If this was a serious effort to recount it would be done by a group that has the experience and skills to do the job based on the election counting guidelines under independent and public scrutiny. It's clear none of those criteria are being met.
Criteria has been met and a recount will be done with the democrats trying to block and hinder it. Arizona county clerk has already admitted there were mistakes but not said they were not intentional. Obviously you are one of the ones that are worried about the outcome. It isn't about weather Trump won or not but it is about weather or not the democrats cheated.That dog and pony show went on for an extended run at great expense to Arizona taxpayers.
Where were the intentional mistakes by the Arizona County Clerk you believe were being hidden?
Will that be handled by THE NEXT Arizona AUDIT? Canada?
Wait till you read about what was written the next day, May 6th.
It isn't about weather Trump won or not but it is about weather or not the democrats cheated.So Canada, what cheating was done by the democrats?
Why did the Arizona Auditors increase Joe Biden's win by an additional 360 votes when there was tons and tons of Democratic fraud that the auditors were going to find?
Where Canada? Where?
This is what I mean by being a dictatorial Democratic. You cheer on government when one government funded Covid and another produced it and had it spill. So if Ted Bundy helps a little old lady across the street, does that make him a good guy? The most brutal crimes in history have been committed by governments. That is something you douches seem to forget.
As for the rest of it, you are just piling on so many false analogies and straw men I am not going to respond: not washing hands, not giving the polio vaccine, undercooking chicken. Who is for those things, and why are you bringing it up?Let's muddy the waters with Ted Bundy and brutal governments. You were the one who brought up how a government can't control a vaccine. Looks like you never left the short bus.
This is also what was said by Canada back on May 5th about the beginning of the Arizona recount:
That dog and pony show went on for an extended run at great expense to Arizona taxpayers.
Where were the intentional mistakes by the Arizona County Clerk you believe were being hidden?
Will that be handled by THE NEXT Arizona AUDIT? Canada?
Wait till you read about what was written the next day, May 6th.
So Canada, what cheating was done by the democrats?
Why did the Arizona Auditors increase Joe Biden's win by an additional 360 votes when there was tons and tons of Democratic fraud that the auditors were going to find?
Where Canada? Where?Canada and Elvis are fighting to see which one of them will be crowned "King of the Short Bus".
It took all these years for it to be confirmed that Clinton colluded with Russia, not Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k6X03XvxWwActually, a researcher once hired by Clinton easily and unavoidably discovered deep and disturbing collusion between Russia and Team Trump and did the right thing by reporting it to the FBI. That was the only thing Trump's "Durham Investigation" found remotely related to Clinton after years of searching.
Collusion between Russia and Team Trump has also been a settled and accepted fact for years, tevealed by, admitted or testified to by various spokesmen for Trump such as Rudy Giuliani, Roger Stone and Trump's own campaign chairman Paul Manafort. Under oath in USA courts of law.
But keep desperately trying to rewrite history with your weird loony fringe produced videos. Lol
ScatManDoo
09-27-21, 06:08
These are the lowest forms of persons, pressuring foreign governments to attack political opponents, spreading election lies, downplaying a pandemic with pseudo-science, orchestrating coups, stealing and grifting,Make one look fondly upon the old school republicans.
That were just good-old anti-abortion women abusers.
OG.
ScatManDoo
09-27-21, 06:40
This is what I mean by being a dictatorial Democratic. You cheer on government when one government funded Covid and another produced it and had it spill. So if Ted Bundy helps a little old lady across the street, does that make him a good guy? The most brutal crimes in history have been committed by governments. That is something you douches seem to forget.
As for the rest of it, you are just piling on so many false analogies and straw men I am not going to respond: not washing hands, not giving the polio vaccine, undercooking chicken. Who is for those things, and why are you bringing it up?Now I know why you are looking for worm medicine.
Actually, a researcher once hired by Clinton easily and unavoidably discovered deep and disturbing collusion between Russia and Team Trump and did the right thing by reporting it to the FBI. That was the only thing Trump's "Durham Investigation" found remotely related to Clinton after years of searching.
Collusion between Russia and Team Trump has also been a settled and accepted fact for years, tevealed by, admitted or testified to by various spokesmen for Trump such as Rudy Giuliani, Roger Stone and Trump's own campaign chairman Paul Manafort. Under oath in USA courts of law.
But keep desperately trying to rewrite history with your weird loony fringe produced videos. LolYou really aught to realize that you seem equally as loony with your own set of conspiracy talking points. I find it hilarious to watch the left and right pounce on each other for the craziest and most bizarre interpretations of things. It's as predictable as the setting sun that no matter what your opinion will be in a particular subject, it will always be passed through the filter of your desires. You could never assume either of the left or right see things the same way, the polarization has really created some good comedy but tragedy at the same time via BLM riots and the idiots who broke into the capital. We all have a nutty lefty or righty uncle to laugh at, you just prove they are well stocked.
Canada and Elvis are fighting to see which one of them will be crowned "King of the Short Bus".I forgot to include Chris. Sorry everybody. My bad.
You really aught to realize that you seem equally as loony with your own set of conspiracy talking points. I find it hilarious to watch the left and right pounce on each other for the craziest and most bizarre interpretations of things. It's as predictable as the setting sun that no matter what your opinion will be in a particular subject, it will always be passed through the filter of your desires. You could never assume either of the left or right see things the same way, the polarization has really created some good comedy but tragedy at the same time via BLM riots and the idiots who broke into the capital. We all have a nutty lefty or righty uncle to laugh at, you just prove they are well stocked.Ok, Another Mr. False Equivalency Bothsider, please explain why every major USA economic downturn, massive USA jobs destruction, stock and housing market crash of the past 100 years, including the most recent one, occurred as the direct result of the stewardship, decisions and legislation promoted by, passed by and presided over by Republicans (but none of the historic USA jobs creation, Bull Market Runs, housing market gains, etc).
Bad Repub luck? A weird 100 years long series of "economic cycles" that mysteriously only plague Repub administrations but never Dem administrations no matter how long each Party maintains predominant federal power? A witch's curse on Repubs? Evil "liberal" mainstream media having the audacity to accuratelyreport historically crap Repub policy results and far, far superior Dem policy results?
I don't see where citing and linking actual historical data, results and facts from reputable sources...like the USA Bureau of Labor Statistics...has anything whatsover to do with the kind of loony conspiracies promoted by actual elected Repub members of Congress, The Former Guy in the WH and their devoted electoral base and supporters here.
Did you actually watch and listen to that loon on the link Smoothy just posted and to which I replied?
Of the dozens if not hundreds of supporting links I have posted on this site pertaining to politics you have never seen one from me that looked and sounded that slipshod ridiculous. I doubt you have seen any that amateurish and pathetic from anyone here posting a link to support a pro-Biden or pro-Dem point. Unless it was clearly meant as a joke.
Yet, that is quite often the kind of loony fringe junk we get from Smoothy and others on the pro-Trump/GQP, Biden/Dem-bashing side.
You really aught to realize that you seem equally as loony with your own set of conspiracy talking points. I find it hilarious to watch the left and right pounce on each other for the craziest and most bizarre interpretations of things. It's as predictable as the setting sun that no matter what your opinion will be in a particular subject, it will always be passed through the filter of your desires. You could never assume either of the left or right see things the same way, the polarization has really created some good comedy but tragedy at the same time via BLM riots and the idiots who broke into the capital. We all have a nutty lefty or righty uncle to laugh at, you just prove they are well stocked.Your "logic" is hopelessly flawed. You're comparing critics of trumpism to ultra-left rioters, yet I haven't seen a shred of evidence that anyone on this board who criticizes ultra-right wingnuts, supports any rioters on the far left. We are a voice of reason, while the wingnuts keep pushing the "steal" lunacy after all courts in the nation (65 losses so far, I believe) told them to take a hike. They keep at it even after the much-touted Ariziona recount lunatics found even more votes had been cast for Biden than previously thought and left the scene with their tail between their legs.
Did it stop the lunatics? Fuck no! Now ever-trumpers demand the recount in Texas. In Texas, which their cult leader fucking won!
"Bizarre interpretations of things," huh? That wouldn't even begin to describe it.
Ok, Another Mr. False Equivalency Bothsider, please explain why every major USA economic downturn, massive USA jobs destruction, stock and housing market crash of the past 100 years, including the most recent one, occurred as the direct result of the stewardship, decisions and legislation promoted by, passed by and presided over by RepublicansDo you ever tired of being a one trick pony? It would help if you had more in your hip pocket than what has been demonstrated as false by myself on at least three occasions. But never underestimate the fallacy of the ad nauseam, as if you repeat something often enough, month after month in a hooker forum it's bound to come true.
Your "logic" is hopelessly flawed. You're comparing critics of trumpism to ultra-left rioters, yet I haven't seen a shred of evidence that anyone on this board who criticizes ultra-right wingnuts, supports any rioters on the far left. We are a voice of reason, while the wingnuts keep pushing the "steal" lunacy after all courts in the nation (65 losses so far, I believe) told them to take a hike. They keep at it even after the much-touted Ariziona recount lunatics found even more votes had been cast for Biden than previously thought and left the scene with their tail between their legs.
Did it stop the lunatics? Fuck no! Now ever-trumpers demand the recount in Texas. In Texas, which their cult leader fucking won!
"Bizarre interpretations of things," huh? That wouldn't even begin to describe it.The trumpers will keep recounting until they get the result they want. But this is not about finding out if trump won because, as imbecilic as they are, trumpers know that the former guy lost.
What trumpers really want is to go back 250 years to when the only people who could vote were:
White.
Straight.
Male.
Property owners.
Do you ever tired of being a one trick pony? It would help if you had more in your hip pocket than what has been demonstrated as false by myself on at least three occasions. But never underestimate the fallacy of the ad nauseam, as if you repeat something often enough, month after month in a hooker forum it's bound to come true.The table doesn't display correctly, but.
Statistics.
The following table compares selected results for the Democratic and Republican presidents, using the Blinder & Watson data (typically Truman's elected term through Obama's first term). The abbreviation "pp" means percentage points.
Democrats Republicans Difference.
Real GDP growth 4.33% 2.54% 1.79 pp.
Job creation rate % 2.59% 1.17% 1.42 pp.
Unemployment rate % 5.64% 6.01% 0.38 pp.
Unemployment rate change -0.83 pp +1.09 pp 1.92 pp.
Inflation rate (GDP deflator) 2.89% 3.44% 0.55 pp.
Budget deficit % potential GDP 2.09% 2.78% 0.69 pp.
Stock market S&P 500 annual return 8.35% 2.70% 5.65 pp.
Do you ever tired of being a one trick pony? It would help if you had more in your hip pocket than what has been demonstrated as false by myself on at least three occasions. But never underestimate the fallacy of the ad nauseam, as if you repeat something often enough, month after month in a hooker forum it's bound to come true.Oh, that's right, you "proved" to us that Eisenhiower's economic stewardship results were great despite presiding over THREE Recessions during his 8 years in office and producing one of the worst USA jobs creation records of all time because the cars were really cool back then and, thanks to safety net entitlements installed by Dems just prior to Eisenhower to carry Americans through the predictable Great Repub Crashes, Recessions and Massive Job Losses, some Americans could buy and keep their car payments up even during the atrocious Eisenhower economy.
I forgot. Yeah, you really got me with that one.
The table doesn't display correctly, but.
Statistics.
The following table compares selected results for the Democratic and Republican presidents, using the Blinder & Watson data (typically Truman's elected term through Obama's first term). The abbreviation "pp" means percentage points.
Democrats Republicans Difference.
Real GDP growth 4.33% 2.54% 1.79 pp.
Job creation rate % 2.59% 1.17% 1.42 pp.
Unemployment rate % 5.64% 6.01% 0.38 pp.
Unemployment rate change -0.83 pp +1.09 pp 1.92 pp.
Inflation rate (GDP deflator) 2.89% 3.44% 0.55 pp.
Budget deficit % potential GDP 2.09% 2.78% 0.69 pp.
Stock market S&P 500 annual return 8.35% 2.70% 5.65 pp.Yep, the False Equivalency Bothsiders (i. e. consistently failed Repub economic results defenders and promoters) apparently believe there is no noticeable difference between THREE Recessions in 8 years, every major economic downturn in the past 100 years (not talking about the historically brief and relatively insignificant one in 1948 and the even more brief and insignificant one purposely induced by the Fed in early 1980 to cool down an overheated economy and tame hyper inflation), every major Bear Market Crash of the past 100 years, ten consecutive months of 10%+ headline unemployment and millions of USA job losses vs NO major economic downturns begun, NO serious Bear Market Crashes, historic Bull Market Runs, historic positive USA jobs creation in the millions.
Nope. No noticeable difference between the two at all. Doesn't really matter which side you argue for, which one you vote for or who wins. Might as well flip a coin. Or just don't vote or vote for some waste of time third or fourth party candidate.
Sure, other than the radical, polar opposite mindset, philosophy, agenda, methods and, most importantly, results, there is really no difference between Repub and Dem government and economic stewardship. Debating for one side over the other with reliable supporting links, statistics and data is equally hilarious and loony.
The trumpers will keep recounting until they get the result they want. But this is not about finding out if trump won because, as imbecilic as they are, trumpers know that the former guy lost.
What trumpers really want is to go back 250 years to when the only people who could vote were:
White.
Straight.
Male.
Property owners.Not sure about number 4. I would replace them with "The uneducated. " A special group of people Trump loves so much, and boy do they return the affection!
The table doesn't display correctly, but.
Statistics.
The following table compares selected results for the Democratic and Republican presidents, using the Blinder & Watson data (typically Truman's elected term through Obama's first term). The abbreviation "pp" means percentage points.
Democrats Republicans Difference.
Real GDP growth 4.33% 2.54% 1.79 pp.
Job creation rate % 2.59% 1.17% 1.42 pp.
Unemployment rate % 5.64% 6.01% 0.38 pp.
Unemployment rate change -0.83 pp +1.09 pp 1.92 pp.
Inflation rate (GDP deflator) 2.89% 3.44% 0.55 pp.
Budget deficit % potential GDP 2.09% 2.78% 0.69 pp.
Stock market S&P 500 annual return 8.35% 2.70% 5.65 pp.It should also be pointed out that the numbers are actually better for Dems and worse for Repubs than the ones generally published by those sites. The reason being their methods usually credit GDP growth in the quarter PRIOR to an inauguration and the quarter OF the inauguration when the incoming president typically has not even done or passed anything into the system to that incoming president.
Same with the well established trajectories up or down of the unemployment rate, the stock market, inflation and the general economy ocurring at the time of an election and inauguration. They never significantly change just because an election or inauguration took place.
Naturally, that means when an incoming Dem takes over from an outgoing Repub during the usual Great Repub Crash, Recession/Depression etc, the incoming Dem's resultant statistics will be unjustly negatively effected by the crap conditions he inherited.
Likewise, when an incoming Repub takes over from an outgoing Dem during the usual stable, thriving, steadily growing Dem economic expansion during NO Crash or Recession, the incoming Repub's resultant statistics will be unjustly positively effected by the fine conditions he inherited.
That is the case with those Dem vs Repub stats as well.
"Our constitutional crisis is already here." Is a chilling opinion piece by conservative commentator, Robert Kagan, published in the Washington Post (Sept 23, 2021), where he outlines how the "inevitable" return of Agent Orange, to power in the 2024 Election.
It paints a very stark and grim reality ahead, plague with lots of constitutional challenges and strong-arm tactics that basically amounts to a "win" by intimidation, strategic placement of electoral loyalists and armed "Trumpers" at the ready.
From the article, it looks like we should prepare ourselves for the "return of the orange king"..
Here is a partial snippet / print (sorry, there maybe more, this is what I found): https://electionlawblog.org/?p=124767.
The United States is heading into its greatest political and constitutional crisis since the Civil War, with a reasonable chance over the next three to four years of incidents of mass violence, a breakdown of federal authority, and the division of the country into warring red and blue enclaves. The warning signs may be obscured by the distractions of politics, the pandemic, the economy and global crises, and by wishful thinking and denial. But about these things there should be no doubt:
First, Donald Trump will be the Republican candidate for president in 2024. The hope and expectation that he would fade in visibility and influence have been delusional. He enjoys mammoth leads in the polls; he is building a massive campaign war chest; and at this moment the Democratic ticket looks vulnerable. Barring health problems, he is running.
Second, Trump and his Republican allies are actively preparing to ensure his victory by whatever means necessary. Trump's charges of fraud in the 2020 election are now primarily aimed at establishing the predicate to challenge future election results that do not go his way. Some Republican candidates have already begun preparing to declare fraud in 2022, just as Larry Elder tried meekly to do in the California recall contest.
Meanwhile, the amateurish "stop the steal" efforts of 2020 have given way to an organized nationwide campaign to ensure that Trump and his supporters will have the control.
Over state and local election officials that they lacked in 2020. Those recalcitrant Republican state officials who effectively saved the country from calamity by refusing to falsely declare fraud or to "find" more votes for Trump are being systematically removed or hounded from office. Republican legislatures are giving themselves greater control over the election.
Certification process. As of this spring, Republicans have proposed or passed measures in at least 16 states that would shift certain election authorities from the purview of the governor, secretary of state or other executive-branch officers to the legislature. An Arizona bill flatly states that the legislature may "revoke the secretary of state's issuance or certification of a presidential elector's certificate of election" by a simple majority vote. Some state legislatures seek to impose criminal penalties on local election officials alleged to have committed "technical infractions," including obstructing the view of poll watchers.
The stage is thus being set for chaos. Imagine weeks of competing mass protests across multiple states as lawmakers from both parties claim victory and charge the other with unconstitutional efforts to take power. Partisans on both sides are likely to be better armed and more willing to inflict harm than they were in 2020. Would governors call out the National Guard? Would President Biden nationalize the Guard and place it under his control, invoke the Insurrection Act, and send troops into Pennsylvania or Texas or Wisconsin to quell violent protests? Deploying federal power in the states would be decried as tyranny. Biden would find himself where other presidents have been where Andrew Jackson was during the nullification crisis, or where Abraham Lincoln was after the South seceded navigating without rules or precedents, making his own judgments about what constitutional powers he does and doesn't have.
I wondered why Trump suddenly changed his persistently repeated nearly year long message for everyone not to waste their time and money inventing a vaccine for Trump's Pandemic virus as well as not bothering to assume even the tiniest risk in taking one into that recent tentative and meek semi suggestion from the stage that his MAGA crowd ought to consider getting vaccinated. LOL. For which he got booed so he turned tail and quickly retreated from the idea.
But now it looks like he might have gotten early intel that his MAGA crowd Repub base is voluntarily and permanently removing itself from the voter rolls in disproprtionately high numbers and from his sucker fund raising list due to their Trumpian anti-science, anti-mitigation measures and anti-vax stance.
Red COVID? Coronavirus deaths are highest in counties with the largest share of Trump voters: report.
The vaccination gap between Democrats and Republicans is mirrored by a partisan divide in COVID deaths
September 27,2021.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/red-covid-coronavirus-deaths-are-highest-in-counties-with-the-largest-share-of-trump-voters-report-11632764116
Trump supporters at the "World Wide Rally for Freedom", an anti-mask and anti-vaccine rally in Concord, N.H. A new data analysis finds a partisan gap in COVID vaccination rates, as well as severe COVID illness and death.
President Joe Biden and government health officials have been calling the resurgence in COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths a pandemic of the unvaccinated, which has been exacerbated by the highly contagious delta variant. But a new data analysis also suggests that this has become a pandemic of conservatives.
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Not sure about number 4. I would replace them with "The uneducated. " A special group of people Trump loves so much, and boy do they return the affection!While the uneducated certainly do drink the orange kool-aid, the original Constitution limited voting to white, male property-owners. I threw the "straight" in there because trumpettes consider them a lower form of life than they do POC.
"The uneducated.That's one of the many false narratives of the left. However, I guess it depends on your definition of "educated". In reality, the average Republican voter is more intelligent, more successful, and has more life experience than the average Democrat voter. There are the few Democrats who fuel that narrative who are educated, but the majority of Democrats these days are uneducated. And the majority of Democrats who actually are educated, have little to no life experience and little to no common sense.
There's an old saying "If you are not a liberal when you are young, you have no heart. And if you aren't a conservative when you are older, you have no brain. " Some people grow older but not wiser, those are modern day Democrats who are old enough to know better but don't.
Let's talk with a few Biden voters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GO2jneQJOo
That's one of the many false narratives of the left. However, I guess it depends on your definition of "educated". In reality, the average Republican voter is more intelligent, more successful, and has more life experience than the average Democrat voter. There are the few Democrats who fuel that narrative who are educated, but the majority of Democrats these days are uneducated. And the majority of Democrats who actually are educated, have little to no life experience and little to no common sense.
There's an old saying "If you are not a liberal when you are young, you have no heart. And if you aren't a conservative when you are older, you have no brain. " Some people grow older but not wiser, those are modern day Democrats who are old enough to know better but don't.
Let's talk with a few Biden voters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GO2jneQJOoTrumpers are far more uneducated than the average RepubliCANT. Since you used a youtube video for proof, how about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzDhm808oU4 or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVx8gCAF3D8 or?
I guess the familiar adage still applies; "If you are not a liberal when you are young, you have no heart. And if you are a conservative when you are older, then you should send back your Social Security checks uncashed, never accept Medicare payment for your hospitalization and are only asking to die a horrible and lonely death from Trump's Pandemic virus for your stupidity, sucker."
California continues to have lowest COVID rates in the country
Sept. 27, 2021.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/California-keeps-improving-becomes-only-state-16491325.php
KilledSoul
09-29-21, 03:11
California continues to have lowest COVID rates in the country
Sept. 27, 2021.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/California-keeps-improving-becomes-only-state-16491325.phpFake news as Connecticut has lower number of cases per 100 K and California is doing much worse with Hospitalization /100 k of population.
Src: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html.
Fake news as Connecticut has lower number of cases per 100 K and California is doing much worse with Hospitalization /100 k of population.
Src: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html.This seems to depend on the source. Becker's Hospital Review has Rhode Island lowest a / o September 28th. Statista had Vermont lowest on September 27th.
Probably the best we can do is say that at least 9 of the top 10 highest case rates are the ones who voted for the former guy. They would rather kill all trumpers just so they can own the libs. Who said that Republicans were "smart", 'cause this strategy seems counterintuitive.
MarquisdeSade1
09-29-21, 04:59
That's one of the many false narratives of the left. However, I guess it depends on your definition of "educated". In reality, the average Republican voter is more intelligent, more successful, and has more life experience than the average Democrat voter. There are the few Democrats who fuel that narrative who are educated, but the majority of Democrats these days are uneducated. And the majority of Democrats who actually are educated, have little to no life experience and little to no common sense.
There's an old saying "If you are not a liberal when you are young, you have no heart. And if you aren't a conservative when you are older, you have no brain. " Some people grow older but not wiser, those are modern day Democrats who are old enough to know better but don't.
Let's talk with a few Biden voters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GO2jneQJOohttps://amgreatness.com/2021/09/27/democrats-repeat-the-mistakes-of-2016/
Fake news as Connecticut has lower number of cases per 100 K and California is doing much worse with Hospitalization /100 k of population.
Src: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html.It depends on how current the figures are. Your link shows Conecticut with 14 new cases per 100,000 vs California's 19 new cases per 100,000, the 2 states with the fewest new cases, based on the daily average and as of 3-4 days ago..
But your link states a 26% decline in the daily average over the past 2 weeks for California vs a 23% decline for Connecticut. It could be as of today the greater decline momentum for California has taken it below Connecticut's.
Btw, my link is about California being the only state earning the CDC's "Moderate" transmission levels and risks rating, which isn't exactly the same as an "Average new cases per 100,000" rate your link is about.
That's one of the many false narratives of the left. However, I guess it depends on your definition of "educated". In reality, the average Republican voter is more intelligent, more successful, and has more life experience than the average Democrat voter. My definition doesn't matter. "I love the poorly educated," said Trump. His own words, not mine. Ask him what he meant.
That's one of the many false narratives of the left. However, I guess it depends on your definition of "educated". In reality, the average Republican voter is more intelligent, more successful, and has more life experience than the average Democrat voter. There are the few Democrats who fuel that narrative who are educated, but the majority of Democrats these days are uneducated. And the majority of Democrats who actually are educated, have little to no life experience and little to no common sense.
...Do you have a link for that Repub vs Dem education issue? Perhaps a carefully and deceptively edited video by some loon in his dad's garage or mom's basement, a meaningless cartoon, anything?
I have a link for it:
GOP faces massive realignment as it sheds college-educated voters.
The data suggest that what we are seeing might be more than just a sudden Democratic edge in party affiliation.
April 18, 2021
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/gop-faces-massive-realignment-it-sheds-college-educated-voters-n1264425
...Data from the Pew Research Center show that, increasingly, different people are populating the two major political parties with Republicans and Democrats moving in sharply different directions among college-educated voters.
At the beginning of this century, Republicans held an 11-point edge on party affiliation among college-educated voters. By the time Barack Obama was president, the figures had flipped to become a 4-point edge for the Democrats. And as President Donald Trumps term was winding down, the numbers had come full-circle and the Democrats had a 13-point edge among college-educated voters on party affiliation.
...So, aside from that, how much life experience and common sense does it take to vote like sucker rubes over and over again for so-called potus' who, almost without exception for the past 100 years, have led the country directly into one Great Repub Crash, Major Recession/Depression, Massive USA Jobs Destruction and "Once in 100 Years Disaster!" after another and NONE of the historic expansions, significant USA jobs creations, Bull Run Markets and boom times?
Let's look and listen to the man that educated, worldly Repubs with common sense voted for recently. Twice. And, yes, possibly twice each in just the one most recent election as Trump suggested his Repub electoral base ought to do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MyLwAokINc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MyLwAokINcGreat collection! Our army "took over the airports" (in 1775) is incredible comedy. Best ever! Forget SNL, nothing comes close by a long shot.
https://amgreatness.com/2021/09/27/democrats-repeat-the-mistakes-of-2016/Who wrote this trash? Literally no Democrats think like this and any Republicans who do must've drunk too many bleach martinis.
ScatManDoo
09-30-21, 00:55
Who wrote this trash? Literally no Democrats think like this and any Republicans who do must've drunk too many bleach martinis.You are correct about the author that MarquisdeSade1 linked to. Here is a small portion about what Wikipedia has to say about Conrad Black, a Canadian-born British former newspaper publisher and writer.
Per Wikipedia: "In 2007, he was convicted on four counts of fraud in USA District Court in Chicago. While two of the criminal fraud charges were overturned on appeal, a conviction for felony fraud and obstruction of justice was upheld in 2010 and he was re-sentenced to 42 months in prison and a fine of $125,000. In 2018, Black wrote a flattering biography of USA President Donald Trump. In 2019, Trump granted him a presidential pardon."
This seems to depend on the source. Becker's Hospital Review has Rhode Island lowest a / o September 28th. Statista had Vermont lowest on September 27th.
Probably the best we can do is say that at least 9 of the top 10 highest case rates are the ones who voted for the former guy. They would rather kill all trumpers just so they can own the libs. Who said that Republicans were "smart", 'cause this strategy seems counterintuitive.Bear in mind, the topic in KilledSoul's link he posted in an effort to disprove my link and claim it was "Fake news," was on a different topic than what my link was about. Somewhat related, but different.
My link was about California being the only state to earn the CDC's Moderate rating for "Infection Transmission" of Trump's Pandemic virus. His was about which state has the lowest number of new cases at the moment and so on. On that count California does rank very, very low in new cases and I thank him for providing a link for it.
I also assume that is one of the factors the CDC applied to giving California that enviable Moderate rating above all other states; i. e. very low new case rates despite having several of the most densely populated cities in the country, high traffic major domestic and international airports, high levels of domestic and international business and tourist traffic, perhaps even factoring in the average number of students per university classrooms, whatever. Factors that were always significant regarding rates of infection from the very beginning but that none of those sparsely populated Red States with virtually none of those other factors at play wanted to acknowledge back when their rates of infection were not skyrocketing as they did since.
Hospitalizations? He tried to misdirect to the fact that his link showed California's hospitalization rates were higher than most. But I don't see how high hospitalization rates say anything at all about a state not handling Trump's Pandemic as well as other states, if not better than other states. Why doesn't it tell us that state is handling Trump's Pandemic better than most in that they have plenty of hospital beds, rooms and staff to take care of anybody who needs hospitalization? Unlike states such as Florida that had to request emergency assistance from other states for beds and staff to deal with their overrun hospitals and poor handling of Trump's Pandemic.
And, remember, it is very likely many Repub Trumpsters in Red States who got infected with Trump's Pandemic virus at one or more of his sucker fund raising super spreader MAGA events would probably choose to remain hidden in their trailer, crawling around on their belly in the throes of a horrible, lonely death rather than seek medical help for it from scientists in an institute of science (doctors and nurses in a hospital) where they would most certainly be required to wear a mandated face mask and therefore might be mistaken for a pro-science, educated Democrat.
https://amgreatness.com/2021/09/27/democrats-repeat-the-mistakes-of-2016/Trump's return and, yes, possible "win" will have absolutely nothing to do with anyone in their right mind wanting to repeat the horrific but typical Repub legislative and economic stewardship results we got from his first Twice Duly Impeached, Two Bear Market Crashes, Still Another Great Repub Recession, Millions Upon Millions of USA Jobs Destroyed, Historically Disastrous Mishandling and Cowardly Lying Creation of a Deadly Pandemic, etc, etc so-called potus term.
It will have everything to do with how confident he is in the success of the Republican Party's ongoing efforts to rig the ballot collection and vote counting systems by obedient fellow American democracy-hating Repub Trumpster state officials in enough states to ensure he will be declared "the winner" no matter how many millions more Americans legitimately voted for the Dem or how many more Electoral College votes above 270 that Dem would have gotten had all the legitimate votes been collected and counted in a timely manner by people who are in favor of American democracy rather than dictatorial one Party, one dictator rule.
My definition doesn't matter. "I love the poorly educated," said Trump. His own words, not mine. Ask him what he meant.Trump loves all Americans. Including the overwhelmingly high number of uneducated Democrats.
Trumpers are far more uneducated than the average Republican. Since you used a youtube video for proof, how about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzDhm808oU4 or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVx8gCAF3D8 or?That guy is flat out rude. He doesn't just ask a question and let them answer, he asks then makes some smarmy comment or cuts them off mid sentence and inserts a straw man comment. If that were a conservative asking questions of Democrats and throwing out insults during the interview like that jerkoff does, I wouldn't appreciate watching that either. However, I'm not surprised you like him since your posts are also mostly rude.
The video I shared, the guy politely asks one very simple question and allows them to answer. He admits to the one guy that he's documenting morons, but that is the one guy who actually knew Biden was VP in the past. I would be interested to know how many Biden voters actually do know Biden was Obama's VP. My bet is that millions of them do not. Especially the "mail in voters". Hell, most of the "mail in voters" who voted Biden probably don't even know they voted in the election at all.
Trumpers are far more uneducated than the average Republican? I don't know if that's accurate or not. How do you categorize a Trumper anyway? I don't have "Trumper" on my voter ID card, on my card it says No Party Affiliation. Then again, I am far more supportive of Trump's policies than the policies of the Republican party in general, and I am definitely against almost every Democrat policy these days. I would be more likely to vote for a 3rd party candidate than I would be to vote for a Republican like Mitt Romney, but I would vote for a guy like Ron Desantis. Overall, I think Trump is entertaining and I think his policies have been the best of any POTUS in many years. He's FAR superior to anyone the Democrat party currently has to offer. So I guess I am indeed properly categorized as a Trumper. Am I relatively uneducated compared to the average American? I guess that depends on your definition of educated. I do have a Bachelors degree, but whether or not a Bachelors degree indicates someone is educated is a topic open for debate. I have also traveled to around 60 different countries in my life, but does that make me educated relative to fellow Americans? Once again, that depends on how you define the word educated. I can say that I have been to a few Trump rallies. At the rallies I did attend, I found the attendees to be very nice and polite people, and they seemed well informed. The "uneducated" moniker is ridiculous. If you want to find people who are truly uneducated, go to one of the illegal immigrant shelters full of future Democrat voters.
ScatManDoo
09-30-21, 17:44
That's one of the many false narratives of the left. However, I guess it depends on your definition of "educated". In reality, the average Republican voter is more intelligent, more successful, and has more life experience than the average Democrat voter.You must be one of the "real average" republicans that was recently recruited into the party to believe what you wrote.
...
Trumpers are far more uneducated than the average Republican? I don't know if that's accurate or not. How do you categorize a Trumper anyway? I don't have "Trumper" on my voter ID card, on my card it says No Party Affiliation. Then again, I am far more supportive of Trump's policies than the policies of the Republican party in general, and I am definitely against almost every Democrat policy these days. I would be more likely to vote for a 3rd party candidate than I would be to vote for a Republican like Mitt Romney, but I would vote for a guy like Ron Desantis. Overall, I think Trump is entertaining and I think his policies have been the best of any POTUS in many years. He's FAR superior to anyone the Democrat party currently has to offer. So I guess I am indeed properly categorized as a Trumper.
...Which was your favorite Trump policy legislation or accomplishment?
Was it his one and only significant economic legislation in his four years in office passed on the last business day of 2017, the Tax Cut and Jobs Act, that added $2.5+Trillion to the deficit but did not add a single percentage point more to annualized GDP growth than what we'd had under Obama without it (he pitched it as probably producing "4%, 5%, maybe 6% annual GDP growth!"), produced fewer jobs than we'd gotten under Obama without it, was scheduled to be "permanent" for the super wealthy and corporations but phase out over 2-3 years for everyone else and stood by doing absolutely nothing to prevent the December 2018 Bear Market Crash in the broad USA stock market, the first of two Bear Market Crashes on Trump's stewardship watch in just 4 years (none under Obama, Clinton, etc)?
Was it his economic policy decision to launch into a misguided "Trade War" of tariffs with China that only produced a hefty consumer tax on the American people and drove our Manufacturing and Agriculture sectors into a Recession, requiring Emergency Relief Fund welfare checks to be issued to the industries just to keep them afloat?
Or was it Trump's economic policy decision in 2018 to save American taxpayers a few million dollars by defunding the CDC, pulling ALL of their representatives and Pandemic Prevention and Response monitors out of the Chinese virus research labs against all expert advice not to do something so foolish, dangerous and stupid and that inevitably led to the destruction of millions upon millions of USA jobs and Trillion$ more added to the deficit?
Or was it then his economic policy decision in early 2020 not to ruffle Xi's feathers during those failed "Trade Deal" negotiations by telling the truth about the risk of a Pandemic coming out of China so he lied about it instead and, as an added bonus for Xi, mocked and ridiculed the known virus transmission mitigation measures so as to ensure the transmission of the virus to dozens of millions of Americans and, naturally, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of them, crippling international travel for business, tourism and mongering in many of the most popular destinations for years?
Perhaps it was the $15+ Billion he tried to steal from our military in order to fund his boondoggle, worthless wall that obviously kept no one from crossing the border?
How about that failed attempt to bribe the new President of the Ukraine with taxpayer dollars earmarked and voted for his military protection against invasion by Russia into fabricating an "investigation" into known bogus accusations of corruption against his most feared political opponent in the upcoming presidential election? That was a goodie.
Could it be his policy decision to repeat his Big Lie over and over again about the outcome of a free and fair election, incite a violent, cop-attacking and killing mob of Insurrectionists to storm the Capitol Building in order to overturn that free and fair election and overthrow American democracy, making our system look no more desirable for freedom-loving people around the world than what any tin horn dictator can muscle up in some shithole country?
I know there is a lot to choose from. Trump certainly accomplished many classic Repub policy goals in just 4 years that no Democrat has or would even attempt to accomplish. But I was just wondering which was your favorite?
Nice take here on what's going on.
https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-news-is-americas-new-religion
ScatManDoo
10-01-21, 05:25
That guy is flat out rude. He doesn't just ask a question and let them answer, he asks then makes some smarmy comment or cuts them off mid sentence and inserts a straw man comment. If that were a conservative asking questions of Democrats and throwing out insults during the interview like that jerkoff does, I wouldn't appreciate watching that either. However, I'm not surprised you like him since your posts are also mostly rude.
The video I shared, the guy politely asks one very simple question and allows them to answer. He admits to the one guy that he's documenting morons, but that is the one guy who actually knew Biden was VP in the past. I would be interested to know how many Biden voters actually do know Biden was Obama's VP. My bet is that millions of them do not. Especially the "mail in voters". Hell, most of the "mail in voters" who voted Biden probably don't even know they voted in the election at all.
Trumpers are far more uneducated than the average Republican? I don't know if that's accurate or not. How do you categorize a Trumper anyway? I don't have "Trumper" on my voter ID card, on my card it says No Party Affiliation. Then again, I am far more supportive of Trump's policies than the policies of the Republican party in general, and I am definitely against almost every Democrat policy these days. I would be more likely to vote for a 3rd party candidate than I would be to vote for a Republican like Mitt Romney, but I would vote for a guy like Ron Desantis.Maybe you are just otherwise flawed.
And that flaw makes you a Trumpster.
All quiet on the western front. What about Republicans "presiding" over all the "economic crashes" of the last 100 years? What about Antifa's reign of terror burning down American cities coast to coast? Wasn't Trump supposed to be "reinstated" by August? Don't give up the causes so easily.
All quiet on the western front. What about Republicans "presiding" over all the "economic crashes" of the last 100 years? What about Antifa's reign of terror burning down American cities coast to coast? Wasn't Trump supposed to be "reinstated" by August? Don't give up the causes so easily.Well, not much has changed over the past few days worth mentioning. True to form, Repubs are again trying desperately to produce another in their 100 years long uninterrupted pattern of producing all of the major USA economic downturns and none of the boom times with their latest typical deadbeat Repub "dine and dash" scam of refusing to pay for the Trillion$ they added to the deficit in a vain attempt to make Trump look like he ever had a clue in that empty skull of his with less than zero to show for it while their "antifa" distraction claims are still as much of a bullshit con as Trump's "reinstatement" in August was.
Meanwhile, we're giving Smoothy all the time he needs to finally choose and reveal his favorite spectacularly failed Trump policy or historically disastrous accomplishment that he appears to agree no Dem has ever failed so spectacularly at but which he can't wait to see Trump repeat with even more disastrous results for "4 More Years!" starting in January 2025 if not sooner.
Well, not much has changed over the past few days worth mentioning. True to form, Repubs are again trying desperately to produce another in their 100 years long uninterrupted pattern of producing all of the major USA economic downturns and none of the boom times with their latest typical deadbeat Repub "dine and dash" scam of refusing to pay for the Trillion$ they added to the deficit in a vain attempt to make Trump look like he ever had a clue in that empty skull of his with less than zero to show for it while their "antifa" distraction claims are still as much of a bullshit con as Trump's "reinstatement" in August was.
Meanwhile, we're giving Smoothy all the time he needs to finally choose and reveal his favorite spectacularly failed Trump policy or historically disastrous accomplishment that he appears to agree no Dem has ever failed so spectacularly at but which he can't wait to see Trump repeat with even more disastrous results for "4 More Years!" starting in January 2025 if not sooner.I agree nothing much exciting or even new going on at the moment. They must be pretty squirrelly over at CNN and Fox, in the quest to maintain the culture of 24 hour news programming. I will never forget the summer days at Grandma's house, dinner, then the 30 minute evening news, then to the front porch to watch the sunset and fire flies and discuss. Those were the days.
ScatManDoo
10-05-21, 18:36
(CNN) One of former President Donald Trump's top ex-aides said Tuesday that the Republican's "vanity got in the way" of his administration's response to Covid-19.
"I think the way we handled Covid was tragic," Stephanie Grisham, a former White House press secretary and chief of staff to former first lady Melania Trump, said on CNN's "New Day. ".
"I think the President's vanity got in the way," she said. "he was working for his base, he was not working for this country. He didn't wear a mask quickly enough. ".
She added, "I was part of that. I don't think I'll ever forgive myself with respect to Covid. I don't think I can ever redeem myself."
MarquisdeSade1
10-10-21, 02:04
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/save-america-rally-des-moines-iowa/2021/10/09/id/1039838/
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/save-america-rally-des-moines-iowa/2021/10/09/id/1039838/Trump spouting nonsense.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/save-america-rally-des-moines-iowa/2021/10/09/id/1039838/Yes, more blathering misdirection from his own problems by the worst so-called president of all time.
No, THIS is a cautionary tale and warning about the most dangerous threat to America:
The Slow-Moving Coup
https://youtu.be/7cR4fXcsu9w
Hey, I don't really care if someone uses every legal means to squeak out a win. I am even all for it when the side that actually produces positive results for the country does it.
But when extraordinary measures are taken to do it by the only side that consistently produces significant historically negative results along with the more than occasional and in fact ALL of the Worst Results of the past century, NONE of the Best Results and now the plot is being hatched and forwarded by their admitted "lord and savior" who happens to have produced THE Worst Results across the board of any potus ever with zero indication that he intends to produce anything better the THE Worst results next time, then I can't get behind that.
"Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will. ".
Doctor Newsmax.
MarquisdeSade1
10-11-21, 19:27
Trump loves all Americans. Including the overwhelmingly high number of uneducated Democrats.https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/10/the-left-got-what-it-wanted-so-now-what/
MarquisdeSade1
10-11-21, 22:47
Yes, more blathering misdirection from his own problems by the worst so-called president of all time.
No, THIS is a cautionary tale and warning about the most dangerous threat to America:
The Slow-Moving Coup
https://youtu.be/7cR4fXcsu9w
Hey, I don't really care if someone uses every legal means to squeak out a win. I am even all for it when the side that actually produces positive results for the country does it.
But when extraordinary measures are taken to do it by the only side that consistently produces significant historically negative results along with the more than occasional and in fact ALL of the Worst Results of the past century, NONE of the Best Results and now the plot is being hatched and forwarded by their admitted "lord and savior" who happens to have produced THE Worst Results across the board of any potus ever with zero indication that he intends to produce anything better the THE Worst results next time, then I can't get behind that.https://www.newsmax.com/politics/rasmussen-survey-biden-election/2021/10/11/id/1040031/
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/election-2020-absentee-ballots/2021/10/11/id/1040033/
"Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will. ".
Doctor Newsmax.Am I the only democrat on this site that can see the destruction that Biden is doing to our country? Trump policies are looking pretty good now compared to Biden policies. $5.00 gas and hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants, illegal drugs and criminals crossing our border is not an improvement from Trump years. Am I the only democrat that on this site that is not ignoring Biden screwups? Murders are up 33% in San Diego and up to 100% in other counties. Other democratic states are worse than this. Am I the only democrat that will acknowledge this?
ScatManDoo
10-12-21, 00:12
A first I thought I was reading a Wall Street Journal article. But I guess this is published NY the Wall Street Rebel:
Giuliani Broke, Humiliated and Abandoned by Trump.
It's taken decades for Rudy Giuliani to recognize that Donald J. Trump has no genuine friends and only limited acquaintances in his inner circle. When people become useless and are no longer relevant to his immediate needs Trump discards them as he would garbage. Giuliani is no exception.
Rudy Giuliani figured he had it made when Donald Trump was elected to the presidency in 2016. As a member of Trump's inner circle, Rudy figured if he didn't end up being nominated to become Trump's Attorney General, he would make a fortune as a lobbyist, making the most of his personal and business relationship with Trump.
Like many in Trump's inner circle, he expected he would be re-elected right up to Election Day 2020, so Guiliani, like so many others, figured if he bent and broke a few laws, Trump would be in a position to bail him out.
We now know that Guiliani played his relationship with Trump for as much money as possible, acting as an unregistered lobbyist to more than one country. He is now the subject of an ongoing investigation conducted by the Southern District USA Attorney's (SDNY) office, even after Trump's minions at the Justice Department tried to kill the investigation.
The media's latest reporting reports that Guiliani now knows it's just a matter of time before he is indicted for failing to register as a foreign lobbyist and expects to end up in prison.
What must hurt the most is after all the dirty work Giuliani did for Trump, including pushing the "Stop the steal" crap, he will never be part of Trump's inner circle.
Despite building a war chest of more than $100 million in the aftermath of the 2020 general election by scamming his supporters, Trump will never pay Giuliani for his services as a personal attorney and front-line stooge in reinstating the president's campaign.
Giuliani transverse the country, many times almost too drunk to stand to stop the steal as Trump's lawyer is now, drowning under a mountain of legal fees that could leave the former New York mayor bankrupt.
The New York Times reports that Trump raised a whopping $102 million in the first half of 2021. Salon.com reported last month that Trump had not used a dime of the money meant to help pays for vote audits and other expenses need to overturn the election. What little money Trump has spent has promoted his election conspiracy campaign, including exciting the feeble and nonexistent GOP-backed recounts in Georgia, Pennsylvania, or Arizona.
On Sunday, Maggie Haberman of the New York Times reported some of Giuliani's closest allies are saying "he is close to being broke."
Haberman also reported that even if Trump wanted to come to Guiliani's financial rescue.
"Trump aides have been clear they see no mechanism for paying Giuliani's legal bills that isn't problematic for Trump, and they think Giuliani took actions a lawyer should have known were problematic, even if the client wanted it.
"But this is of note in the context of Trump having had a previous lawyer (Michael Cohen) who pleaded guilty and then cooperated with an investigation into Trump."
This leaves Giuliani steeped in a federal investigation alleging that he worked as an unregistered lobbyist for Ukraine, pressuring Ukrainian officials to launch a probe in President Biden and his son Hunter by threatening to withhold USA Military aid.
Guiliani also finds himself named a defendant in a $1.3 billion defamation lawsuit filed against him and other Trump acolytes filed by Dominion Voting Systems over his and their baseless claims that the company's equipment was compromised in President Biden's favor.
Guiliani realizing that Trump wasn't ever going to write him a check, then attempted to raise $5 million on "Go Fund Me" only to discover Trump supporters could give a rats ass about him. After a couple of weeks, he raised a "paltry" $9,798 for his legal defense about $4,990,202 short of his goal.
He was not getting paid by Trump for his legal work to overturn the election, then being suspended from practicing law in the state of New York and Washington the. See. Crippled any hope Guiliani had of making any personal income. Yet, despite the chatter from Guiliani's friends about his plight even on the brink of apparent bankruptcy, Giuliani doesn't appear to be particularly panicked.
Last week, the suspended lawyer told NBC New York that everything he's done over the past several years came as part of an effort to defend his client, Donald Trump.
"I'm more than willing to go to jail if they want to put me in jail. And if they do, they're going to suffer the consequences in heaven. I'm not. Because I didn't do anything wrong."
Even with Guiliani sinking in a deep dark hole, he still refuses to recognize that Trump's refusal to extend Giuliani aid has all the appearance of a broader effort by the former president to distance himself from this ex-attorney. Trump knows like Guiliani knows he may be just a week or two away from a Federal indictment and is heading for a fitting for an orange jump shoot.
The Washington Post reported as far back as late January that Trump "instructed aides not to pay Giuliani's legal fees and.
"Has demanded that he personally approve any reimbursements for the expenses Giuliani incurred while traveling on the president's behalf to stop the steal and push to challenge election results in key states. ".
Trump has also privately "expressed concern" to his aides that Giuliani's moves to overturn the election were crazy and was put off by the former attorney's $20,000 daily fees. Then again, Trump is famous for not paying his lawyers.
https://wallstreetrebel.com/wsr/articles/giuliani_broke_humiliated_and_abandoned_by_trump/2021-08-03-16-27-10.html
MarquisdeSade1
10-12-21, 01:54
https://www.aol.com/trump-reportedly-wishes-slain-jan-150338900.html
Am I the only democrat on this site that can see the destruction that Biden is doing to our country? Trump policies are looking pretty good now compared to Biden policies. $5.00 gas and hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants, illegal drugs and criminals crossing our border is not an improvement from Trump years. Am I the only democrat that on this site that is not ignoring Biden screwups? Murders are up 33% in San Diego and up to 100% in other counties. Other democratic states are worse than this. Am I the only democrat that will acknowledge this?What, pray tell, would Biden's policies have to do with $5 per gallon gas or any inflation-related issues other than that his historic economic recovery following Trump's Great Repub Crash and Recession that plunged worldwide economies and supply chains into near total paralysis for 18 months has naturally caught virtually every manufacturer and shipper short of millions of workers for the millions of jobs Trump's disastrous economic decisions wiped out?
The murder rate in states with the cities in which most Americans want and choose to live? No doubt Biden's Child Tax Credit legislation caused that. Lol
I might nominate you for the least informed self-proclaimed Democrat on the board.
Oh, btw, the murder rate spiked higher during Trump's so-called presidency than it has in 2021 under Biden:
Murder Rose by Almost 30% in 2020. Its Rising at a Slower Rate in 2021.
The increase in U.S. murders this summer does not appear to be as large as the record spike last summer.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/22/upshot/murder-rise-2020.html
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/rasmussen-survey-biden-election/2021/10/11/id/1040031/
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/election-2020-absentee-ballots/2021/10/11/id/1040033/I hope they "fraudit" and "recount" every ballot and vote in every state from now on. What the hell, Repubs aren't busy doing anything else. It's certainly less damaging to America than when Repubs actually "do" something.
Besides, I enjoy seeing Biden beat the snot out of Trump in a Trump-defined election "LANDSLIDE!" over and over and over again.
Am I the only democrat on this site that can see the destruction that Biden is doing to our country? Trump policies are looking pretty good now compared to Biden policies. $5.00 gas and hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants, illegal drugs and criminals crossing our border is not an improvement from Trump years. Am I the only democrat that on this site that is not ignoring Biden screwups? Murders are up 33% in San Diego and up to 100% in other counties. Other democratic states are worse than this. Am I the only democrat that will acknowledge this?You might have a leg to stand on if the US was the only country in the world suffering from high gasoline prices and inflation. But it isn't.
You might have a leg to stand on if mainstream media reported that the Afghan withdrawal went fine and who ignored what was happening at the southern border. But they didn't.
You might have a leg to stand on if you had legs.
What, pray tell, would Biden's policies have to do with $5 per gallon gas or any inflation-related issues other than that his historic economic recovery following Trump's Great Repub Crash and Recession that plunged worldwide economies and supply chains into near total paralysis for 18 months has naturally caught virtually every manufacturer and shipper short of millions of workers for the millions of jobs Trump's disastrous economic decisions wiped out?
The murder rate in states with the cities in which most Americans want and choose to live? No doubt Biden's Child Tax Credit legislation caused that. Lol
I might nominate you for the least informed self-proclaimed Democrat on the board.
Oh, btw, the murder rate spiked higher during Trump's so-called presidency than it has in 2021 under Biden:
Murder Rose by Almost 30% in 2020. Its Rising at a Slower Rate in 2021.
The increase in U.S. murders this summer does not appear to be as large as the record spike last summer.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/22/upshot/murder-rise-2020.htmlEveryone knows that if supply is cut on any product prices go up. Biden cancelled all drilling permits on federal land cutting new drilling by 50%. Biden cancelled XL pipeline and reversed many of Trump regulations making drilling and transportation of oil more expensive. Result is oil goes from $40 per barrel a year ago to $80 thus gas goes up. Now we are going back to be dependent on OPEC and Russian oil. Not only has but natural gas has increased from $2. 50 per mcf to $5.85 per mcf and heating oil has gone up 68% making everyone's heating bills to skyrocket this winter.
Murder rate in 2020 increased because democrat states started defunding police. Biden policy is supporting this and the results are magnifying. With the increase in illegal immigrants, criminals crossing the open border and increasing drug trade crime will always go up. I suppose you think Biden open border policy helps the average American.
I suppose you think Trump secure border policy and every other countries secure border policies are worse.
I voted for Biden because I hated Trump but I didn't hate his policies. That was a mistake. I am man enough to admit I screwed up. It does not appear that you or any other democrat here will admit this president is a failure. 100 times worse than Trump. Unfortunately ignoring this does not make America better. Obviously you don't have kids or grandkids that are going to suffer from Biden catastrophe.
World leaders are taking advantage of his incompetence and USA is the victim.
MarquisdeSade1
10-12-21, 16:46
I hope they "fraudit" and "recount" every ballot and vote in every state from now on. What the hell, Repubs aren't busy doing anything else. It's certainly less damaging to America than when Repubs actually "do" something.
Besides, I enjoy seeing Biden beat the snot out of Trump in a Trump-defined election "LANDSLIDE!" over and over and over again.https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/576192-jon-stewart-says-trump-has-a-very-good-chance-in-2024
John Clayton
10-12-21, 17:46
Everyone knows that if supply is cut on any product prices go up. Biden cancelled all drilling permits on federal land cutting new drilling by 50%. Biden cancelled XL pipeline and reversed many of Trump regulations making drilling and transportation of oil more expensive...Okay, I know I shouldn't engage, but let's just take one of your claims -- crude oil prices. Here is a chart of WTI through the Trump years until now:
From Trump's inaguration, WTI oscillated around $65 or $70 until April 2020, when it plunged to $20/ bbl -- why? Demand cratered because of the pandemic -- remember?. Many producers took wells and equipment off line -- why? Because they couldn't make money at that price. With regards to heavy crude, and particularly tar sand oil, the break even price is estimated to be $80/ bbl. Now that the pandemic is lessening, demand is increasing but production still lags.
Okay, Biden cancelled a key permit for the XL pipeline, but it has been doomed for years because of oil prices and the inability to get private financing. Banks only loaned money to it when the loans were guaranteed by the Alberta government. That pipeline was a stupid idea, and the only thing that sustained it was government money. Capitalism killed it.
ScatManDoo
10-12-21, 18:12
Am I the only democrat on this site that can see the destruction that Biden is doing to our country? Trump policies are looking pretty good now compared to Biden policies. $5.00 gas and hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants, illegal drugs and criminals crossing our border is not an improvement from Trump years. Am I the only democrat that on this site that is not ignoring Biden screwups? Murders are up 33% in San Diego and up to 100% in other counties. Other democratic states are worse than this. Am I the only democrat that will acknowledge this?No.
You are one of the Trumpster Republicans that quit posting out of embarrassment two months ago over past posts you made (when they get quoted).
So now you use a new handle foisting a fake personality and background.
Okay, I know I shouldn't engage, but let's just take one of your claims -- crude oil prices. Here is a chart of WTI through the Trump years until now:
From Trump's inaguration, WTI oscillated around $65 or $70 until April 2020, when it plunged to $20/ bbl -- why? Demand cratered because of the pandemic -- remember?. Many producers took wells and equipment off line -- why? Because they couldn't make money at that price. With regards to heavy crude, and particularly tar sand oil, the break even price is estimated to be $80/ bbl. Now that the pandemic is lessening, demand is increasing but production still lags.
Okay, Biden cancelled a key permit for the XL pipeline, but it has been doomed for years because of oil prices and the inability to get private financing. Banks only loaned money to it when the loans were guaranteed by the Alberta government. That pipeline was a stupid idea, and the only thing that sustained it was government money. Capitalism killed it.Thanks for the laugh. First time I've heard Joe Biden called a Capitalist.
SouthEaster
10-12-21, 18:37
Capitalism didn't kill it. The environmental lobby killed it.
Okay, I know I shouldn't engage, but let's just take one of your claims -- crude oil prices. Here is a chart of WTI through the Trump years until now:
From Trump's inaguration, WTI oscillated around $65 or $70 until April 2020, when it plunged to $20/ bbl -- why? Demand cratered because of the pandemic -- remember?. Many producers took wells and equipment off line -- why? Because they couldn't make money at that price. With regards to heavy crude, and particularly tar sand oil, the break even price is estimated to be $80/ bbl. Now that the pandemic is lessening, demand is increasing but production still lags.
Okay, Biden cancelled a key permit for the XL pipeline, but it has been doomed for years because of oil prices and the inability to get private financing. Banks only loaned money to it when the loans were guaranteed by the Alberta government. That pipeline was a stupid idea, and the only thing that sustained it was government money. Capitalism killed it.Thanks for destroying his argument about oil supplies.
Now I will destroy his argument about who voted to defund the police. The House Republicans did. Unanimously:
Republicans are defunding the police: Fox News anchor stumps congressman.
Chris Wallace quizzes Jim Banks of Indiana on Fox News Sunday.
Biden: $350bn in bill opposed by GOP is for law enforcement
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jun/28/chris-wallace-republicans-defunding-the-police-fox-news-congressman-jim-banks
And who is threatening to defund the police, defund the military, defund our border control, defund everything by refusing to raise the debt limit to pay for the Trillion$ Trump and his Repubs flushed down the shitter with less than zero to show for it?
Well, it ain't Biden and the Dems.
Guess who?
And the "great" Keystone XL pipeline championed by Repubs despite the fact that it was never going to make a barrel of oil cheaper for the USA, only more expensive, and it was only going to create a whopping 35 permanent USA jobs?
Dogshit.
Here is a big energy industry and jobs creation WIN for the USA:
U.S. Loosens China Grip on $46 Billion Lithium-Battery Industry
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-loosens-china-grip-46-183816587.html
(Bloomberg) -- The USA Is narrowing the gap on China's dominance of the $46 billion lithium-ion battery industry thanks to investments from Tesla Inc. and the Biden administration's policy push to drive growth of electric vehicles.
Thanks, Joe. Bet nobody here heard a word about this in the so-called "pro Dem, pro lib" Mainstream Media.
Jajajaja
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/576192-jon-stewart-says-trump-has-a-very-good-chance-in-2024But why limit your "Jaja"s" to just comedian Jon Stewart's prediction for the outcome of the 2024 election?
2016:
https://www.businessinsider.com/jon-stewart-2016-election-donald-trump-2016-11
Speaking at the Bob Woodruff "Stand Up for Heroes" comedy benefit in New York on Tuesday, Stewart offered an election prediction only he could dream up: that it would end in a tie between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump where O.J. Simpson shows up in a white Ford Bronco with JonBenet Ramsey in tow to cast the deciding vote.2020:
"I'm terrified!"
(uh, no, not by the prospect of Biden winning)
https://youtu.be/IPNOvWoLKwI
Thanks for destroying his argument about oil supplies.
Now I will destroy his argument about who voted to defund the police. The House Republicans did. Unanimously:
Republicans are defunding the police: Fox News anchor stumps congressman.
Chris Wallace quizzes Jim Banks of Indiana on Fox News Sunday.
Biden: $350bn in bill opposed by GOP is for law enforcement
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jun/28/chris-wallace-republicans-defunding-the-police-fox-news-congressman-jim-banks
And who is threatening to defund the police, defund the military, defund our border control, defund everything by refusing to raise the debt limit to pay for the Trillion$ Trump and his Repubs flushed down the shitter with less than zero to show for it?I proved my point easily. I am the only democrat on this site that won't ignore the Biden administration disasters. In California most of my friends are democrats. Some are socialists similar to the posters on this site. My democrat friends are realizing that Biden is doing a terrible job especially at the border as this affects San Diego. Most of my friends are blaming Biden for high gas prices and inflation. My socialist friends are very similar to you. They defend Biden and blame Trump or others for Biden failures. And they talk amongst their socialist friends and they agree. Fortunately elections are only a year away and hope is on site.
I can't believe how many people on this site have been duped by the far left. Truly amazing.
I proved my point easily. I am the only democrat on this site that won't ignore the Biden administration disasters. In California most of my friends are democrats. Some are socialists similar to the posters on this site. My democrat friends are realizing that Biden is doing a terrible job especially at the border as this affects San Diego. Most of my friends are blaming Biden for high gas prices and inflation. My socialist friends are very similar to you. They defend Biden and blame Trump or others for Biden failures. And they talk amongst their socialist friends and they agree. Fortunately elections are only a year away and hope is on site.
I can't believe how many people on this site have been duped by the far left. Truly amazing.Sorry, but blathering easily debunked inaccuracies as you have done does not prove any point other than that you would probably easily win the vote on that nomination for the least informed self-proclaimed Democrat on the board I'm trying to swing for you.
Look, I want to help you achieve the Special Distinction Award you apparently crave here. But that one is the only distinction your hard work has yet earned.
Hey, the upside for you is as a Democrat you have probably voted for more Dems and therefore many more U.S. economic recoveries and expansions, including this current historic one (assuming you did vote for Biden) and possibly none of the horrific Repub Crashes and Massive USA Job Losses, than any self-proclaimed Repubs or supposed "conservatives" you know.
That puts you way, WAY ahead of them for doing something positive for America, a distinction worthy of your pride.
And that's the most important thing you've done even if you don't know that's what you did.
Thanks for the laugh. First time I've heard Joe Biden called a Capitalist.I've lost count of the number of times Dems had to rescue and revive American Capitalism from near total destruction by idiotic Repub mishandling of it. I submit even purposeful Repub mishandling of it. Biden was there to vote for the rescue a few times, was once assigned the duty of leading the successful Dem rescue team by a Dem POTUS another time and is leading the successful rescue of it again now.
In virtually every case it was with zero help from the Repubs who worked very hard to destroy it and, if anything, they provide only obstruction and other methods to drag out the rescue and recovery process, prolong the pain and deepen the damage done to America and Americans by their efforts. Same as today.
No.
You are one of the Trumpster Republicans that quit posting out of embarrassment two months ago over past posts you made (when they get quoted).
So now you use a new handle foisting a fake personality and background.If somebody has some evidence or data from credible sources other than his/her equally ill-informed circle jerkle of friends that "Biden is destroying America" by causing gas prices to spike, murders to increase, choosing to defund the police, following International and Federal law by not denying foreign refugees and so on, I am willing to give it a looksee and considering changing my mind about him, Trump, whoever.
But absolutely no evidence, no data, no links from a credible source or anything else other than heartfelt anecdotes about some clods among ones drinking buddies just doesn't cut it for me.
Meanwhile, the internet is loaded with clear and unambiguous explanations from reputable sources citing data and evidence for why gas prices are spiking now, having tiny-to-zero to do with Biden's policies (other than his historic recovery from Trump's Great Repub Recession et al, which is a much better option than continuing to slide downward into the final death of Capitalism at the hands of the Repubs). Here is one from Forbes:
Revisiting The Blame For High Gas Prices
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2021/09/26/revisiting-the-blame-for-high-gas-prices/?sh=5397f572e31e
Murders DID spike 30% to record highs under Trump and the rate has been declining under Biden. I posted the report of it from the NYT earlier because that was the first entry that came up in a Google Search. But you can read the same report of it from the Wall Street Journal:
Murders Rose Nearly 30% in the U.S. in 2020, FBI Reports
https://www.wsj.com/articles/murders-rose-nearly-30-percent-in-the-u-s-in-2020-fbi-reports-11632769332
Here is my link citing and quoting verbatim Fox News Channel slamming a Repub Congressman for lying about which party is actually trying to defund the police. The House Republicans are the only ones voting to defund the police. Unanimously:
Republicans are defunding the police: Fox News anchor stumps congressman.
Chris Wallace quizzes Jim Banks of Indiana on Fox News Sunday.
Biden: $350bn in bill opposed by GOP is for law enforcement
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jun/28/chris-wallace-republicans-defunding-the-police-fox-news-congressman-jim-banks
Of course, everyone knows Forbes, Rupert Murdoch's WSJ and Rupert Murdoch's Fox News Channel are truly amazing instruments of the far left created to dupe Dems and "libs". LOL.
Sorry, but blathering easily debunked inaccuracies as you have done does not prove any point other than that you would probably easily win the vote on that nomination for the least informed self-proclaimed Democrat on the board I'm trying to swing for you.
Look, I want to help you achieve the Special Distinction Award you apparently crave here. But that one is the only distinction your hard work has yet earned.
Hey, the upside for you is as a Democrat you have probably voted for more Dems and therefore many more U.S. economic recoveries and expansions, including this current historic one (assuming you did vote for Biden) and possibly none of the horrific Repub Crashes and Massive USA Job Losses, than any self-proclaimed Repubs or supposed "conservatives" you know.
That puts you way, WAY ahead of them for doing something positive for America, a distinction worthy of your pride.
And that's the most important thing you've done even if you don't know that's what you did.You are correct. These are not facts in socialists fantasyland.
In fantasyland oil is not $80 a barrel. Natural gas has not gone up 118% since Biden took office. Gas is not $4. 59 average in California. In fantasyland the southern border is closed and illegals and drugs are not pouring into our country.
In fantasyland there is no inflation. In fantasyland the only people committing crimes are police.
In fantasyland Biden is doing a good job.
Well unfortunately I live in California. The people I voted for Biden and Newsome are killing our state. Their policies are killing small business and crime and homeless are completely out of control. The democratic government in California and the USA are failing the people that voted for them. Unfortunately there are people like you that are brainwashed into thinking it is different. Fortunately a lot of my friends and other democrats are seeing this and hopefully there are more smart democrats in the USA than people like you.
I do not know which city you live in but if you are in a democrat run city and you can say there is no inflation and there is no increase in crime then you are not living in USA.
I can't believe how many people on this site have been duped by the far left. Truly amazing.Believe it. I've never seen so many stupid and misinformed people in my life.
If somebody has some evidence or data from credible sources other than his/her equally ill-informed circle jerkle of friends that "Biden is destroying America" by causing gas prices to spike, murders to increase, choosing to defund the police, following International and Federal law by not denying foreign refugees and so on, I am willing to give it a looksee and considering changing my mind about him, Trump, whoever.I agree that Biden definitely isn't destroying America. The guy doesn't even know what planet he's on.
MarquisdeSade1
10-13-21, 19:11
You are correct. These are not facts in socialists fantasyland.
In fantasyland oil is not $80 a barrel. Natural gas has not gone up 118% since Biden took office. Gas is not $4. 59 average in California. In fantasyland the southern border is closed and illegals and drugs are not pouring into our country.
In fantasyland there is no inflation. In fantasyland the only people committing crimes are police.
In fantasyland Biden is doing a good job.
Well unfortunately I live in California. The people I voted for Biden and Newsome are killing our state. Their policies are killing small business and crime and homeless are completely out of control. The democratic government in California and the USA are failing the people that voted for them. Unfortunately there are people like you that are brainwashed into thinking it is different. Fortunately a lot of my friends and other democrats are seeing this and hopefully there are more smart democrats in the USA than people like you.
I do not know which city you live in but if you are in a democrat run city and you can say there is no inflation and there is no increase in crime then you are not living in USA.https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/13/business/stocks-inflation-stagflation.html
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/10/13/business/news-business-stock-market
ScatManDoo
10-13-21, 22:14
Politico asked close to 2,000 republican voters who they wanted for their next run at president, and the results are as follows:
47% Donald Trump.
12% Mike Pence.
12% Ron DeSantis.
6% Donald Trump Jr.
3% Marco Rubio.
3% Mitt Romney.
3% Nikki Haley.
3% Ted Cruz.
2% Liz Cheney.
Quite honestly I am in favor of Donald Trump being the next GOP presidential nominee.
It will greatly increase the chance of the next democratic nominee will win.
Running against TrumpShit's crappy performance, record, results will be easy-peasy.
Nothing else will bring a greater shrinkage and death to that grand old party.
Go Shit Go!
You are correct. These are not facts in socialists fantasyland.
In fantasyland oil is not $80 a barrel. Natural gas has not gone up 118% since Biden took office. Gas is not $4. 59 average in California. In fantasyland the southern border is closed and illegals and drugs are not pouring into our country.
In fantasyland there is no inflation. In fantasyland the only people committing crimes are police.
In fantasyland Biden is doing a good job.
Well unfortunately I live in California. The people I voted for Biden and Newsome are killing our state. Their policies are killing small business and crime and homeless are completely out of control. The democratic government in California and the USA are failing the people that voted for them. Unfortunately there are people like you that are brainwashed into thinking it is different. Fortunately a lot of my friends and other democrats are seeing this and hopefully there are more smart democrats in the USA than people like you.
I do not know which city you live in but if you are in a democrat run city and you can say there is no inflation and there is no increase in crime then you are not living in USA.In tRUMPworld, the pandemic didn't cause low gasoline usage for 12+ months and didn't cause the entire industry to slow down.
In tRUMPworld, "supply and demand" are BS fake news things and don't mean squat.
In tRUMPworld, inflation is only confined to the US and if other countries are experiencing inflation, it is Biden's fault.
In tRUMPworld, the Republican mantra of "actions have consequences" only applies to Democrats.
In tRUMPworld, "my body, my choice" applies to vaccines only.
In tRUMPworld, tRUMP never made a mistake.
In tRUMPworld, cult members are clueless about the meaning of socialism, communism, fascism, racisn, misogynism, xenophobia and homophibia.
Instead of complaining about California, move to Texas or Florida.
In tRUMPworld, the pandemic didn't cause low gasoline usage for 12+ months and didn't cause the entire industry to slow down.
In tRUMPworld, "supply and demand" are BS fake news things and don't mean squat.
In tRUMPworld, inflation is only confined to the US and if other countries are experiencing inflation, it is Biden's fault.
In tRUMPworld, the Republican mantra of "actions have consequences" only applies to Democrats.
In tRUMPworld, "my body, my choice" applies to vaccines only.
In tRUMPworld, tRUMP never made a mistake.
In tRUMPworld, cult members are clueless about the meaning of socialism, communism, fascism, racisn, misogynism, xenophobia and homophibia.
Instead of complaining about California, move to Texas or Florida.Trump, Trump, Trump. Biden has been in office for almost a year and is destroying America and you are still talking about Trump. Trump isn't president anymore. Even CNN is starting to report the Biden disasters. Wake up. You can't be this naive? Biden is a wreck. Ignoring Biden failures and talking about Trump will not make the situation better. Only the rich can move away but people like me can't move as easily. I am looking at opportunities in other states and the first one that comes I am gone. I am not going to remain a fool like the other democrats. If you think Biden is going to continue to give you free stuff until you die you are going to be very disappointed.
MarquisdeSade1
10-14-21, 02:11
In tRUMPworld, "my body, my choice" applies to vaccines only..I recently pointed out the hypocrisy of the democrats that say they are all about freedom of choice.
Leave it to a democrat to try to steal it and flip it around jajajajaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
You are correct. These are not facts in socialists fantasyland.
In fantasyland oil is not $80 a barrel. Natural gas has not gone up 118% since Biden took office. Gas is not $4. 59 average in California. In fantasyland the southern border is closed and illegals and drugs are not pouring into our country.
In fantasyland there is no inflation. In fantasyland the only people committing crimes are police.
In fantasyland Biden is doing a good job.
Well unfortunately I live in California. The people I voted for Biden and Newsome are killing our state. Their policies are killing small business and crime and homeless are completely out of control. The democratic government in California and the USA are failing the people that voted for them. Unfortunately there are people like you that are brainwashed into thinking it is different. Fortunately a lot of my friends and other democrats are seeing this and hopefully there are more smart democrats in the USA than people like you.
I do not know which city you live in but if you are in a democrat run city and you can say there is no inflation and there is no increase in crime then you are not living in USA.Interesting tactic to "refute" absolutely nothing I ever asserted re inflation, gas prices and crime.
I wouldn't know, but I'm guessing that is a lot easier for you and your like-minded friends to do than produce actual facts and data to make your case and refute the case I or someone else has made substantiating it with actual facts and data right?
I agree that Biden definitely isn't destroying America. The guy doesn't even know what planet he's on.Yet, at this point in his presidency Biden has already passed 2 effective pieces of legislation that have helped to dramatically reduce poverty, trigger an historic recovery from Trump's Great Repub Recession and produce record numbers of saved and created USA jobs. So many that record numbers of Americans CAN quit their jobs for better ones (yep, inflation alert. But a good one) and has half of the greatest infrastructure set of bills ready to go vs Trump at this point still being 2 months away from passing his one and only economic legislation, a godawful one that flushed $2.5+ Trillion down the shitter, produced no real improvement in the USA economy and fewer USA jobs than were being produced prior to it.
Oh well. Go figure.
Politico asked close to 2,000 republican voters who they wanted for their next run at president, and the results are as follows:
47% Donald Trump.
12% Mike Pence.
12% Ron DeSantis.
6% Donald Trump Jr.
3% Marco Rubio.
3% Mitt Romney.
3% Nikki Haley.
3% Ted Cruz.
2% Liz Cheney.
Quite honestly I am in favor of Donald Trump being the next GOP presidential nominee.
It will greatly increase the chance of the next democratic nominee will win.
Running against TrumpShit's crappy performance, record, results will be easy-peasy.
Nothing else will bring a greater shrinkage and death to that grand old party.
Go Shit Go!Yes, even at Biden's lowest Job Approval rating level yet, this poll shows him winning re-election in one of THE most sought after battleground states over either of their hometown boys, Trump or DeSantis.
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/464203-poll-shows-ron-desantis-more-popular-but-still-losing-to-joe-biden-donald-trump/
Biden would win the Sunshine State with 51% to Trumps 49%, the poll shows, and he would beat DeSantis by a similar margin.
No wonder Repubs are desperately scrambling to create new rules and conditions that allow their QAnon appointees to throw out legitimate ballots and votes in Dem districts and cities to make sure Repubs "win" no matter what.
They have to. How else can Repubs continue their mission of defunding the police, defunding the military, plunging America into another, another and another Great Repub Crash, Recession and Massive USA Job Destruction?
Trump, Trump, Trump. Biden has been in office for almost a year and is destroying America and you are still talking about Trump. Trump isn't president anymore. Even CNN is starting to report the Biden disasters. Wake up. You can't be this naive? Biden is a wreck. Ignoring Biden failures and talking about Trump will not make the situation better. Only the rich can move away but people like me can't move as easily. I am looking at opportunities in other states and the first one that comes I am gone. I am not going to remain a fool like the other democrats. If you think Biden is going to continue to give you free stuff until you die you are going to be very disappointed.You were the one complaining about inflation, gas prices, etc. There are many causes for each issue you lied about and none of those causes are due to Biden. You, a closet tRUMPette, can't see that.
Just like a tRUMP-supporting acquaintance blamed all of the ships anchored off LA and Long Beach on Biden.
As someone once said, tRUMP supporters are like flies, not bees. You can tell a fly that crap tastes like crap, but they will still eat it.
Trump, Trump, Trump. Biden has been in office for almost a year and is destroying America and you are still talking about Trump. Trump isn't president anymore. Even CNN is starting to report the Biden disasters. Wake up. You can't be this naive? Biden is a wreck. Ignoring Biden failures and talking about Trump will not make the situation better. Only the rich can move away but people like me can't move as easily. I am looking at opportunities in other states and the first one that comes I am gone. I am not going to remain a fool like the other democrats. If you think Biden is going to continue to give you free stuff until you die you are going to be very disappointed.What failures? Tell us what laws has Biden changed?
What failures? Tell us what laws has Biden changed?Remain in Mexico for asylum seekers was probably his biggest failure.
Reversing Trump policy on building the wall and now government paying contractors to not build it.
Reversing Trump policy on drilling on federal lands and reversing Trump regulations for oil and mining companies creating shortages of oil and natural gas and forcing oil companies to pass the increased costs to consumers.
Paying people to not work creating labor shortage nationwide creating supply chain problems.
There isn't enough space on here to list everything.
Do you really think the that the policies of the president of USA has no affect on the economy or inflation?
You were the one complaining about inflation, gas prices, etc. There are many causes for each issue you lied about and none of those causes are due to Biden. You, a closet tRUMPette, can't see that.
Just like a tRUMP-supporting acquaintance blamed all of the ships anchored off LA and Long Beach on Biden.
As someone once said, tRUMP supporters are like flies, not bees. You can tell a fly that crap tastes like crap, but they will still eat it.You blamed Trump for 4 years and still blaming Trump. Yet you will not blame Biden for anything. If there are many causes for every issue then Trump should not have been blamed for anything either. It can't go both ways.
As for the port problems in Long Beach a great deal of the problem is they are understaffed because no one wants to work in California when Biden is promising them money not to work. They are desperately trying to get enough people to work 24 hours a day but it is difficult with Biden as president.
You don't have to be a Trump supporter to see the truth about the Biden failures. You can be an intelligent democrat and also see it. Biden administration is smoke and mirrors. Everything fake news.
Harris trying to boost her popularity by doing a presentation to children who were awed by her performance. Fact was the children were hired actors with a script being directed by a Canadian film crew. Typical democrat propaganda.
Biden speeches out of the Oval Office are not like past presidents speeches from the Oval Office. Fact is the White House built a fake Oval Office across the street so the Biden can have a huge teleprompter and some one can feed him every line of his speech.
Are all democrats fooled? I was fooled and voted for Biden. I will not continue to be the fool. I can't believe everyone on this site can continue to be fooled. Biden policies, inflation, gas prices, food prices, electric prices are hurting me. Hurting my family. Hurting my friends. It doesn't matter if you are republicans or democrats this is bad.
Yet, at this point in his presidency Biden has already passed 2 effective pieces of legislation that have helped to dramatically reduce poverty, trigger an historic recovery from Trump's Great Repub Recession and produce record numbers of saved and created USA jobs. So many that record numbers of Americans CAN quit their jobs for better ones (yep, inflation alert. But a good one) and has half of the greatest infrastructure set of bills ready to go vs Trump at this point still being 2 months away from passing his one and only economic legislation, a godawful one that flushed $2.5+ Trillion down the shitter, produced no real improvement in the USA economy and fewer USA jobs than were being produced prior to it.
Oh well. Go figure.Have you seen the White House job numbers that they posted this month? Dismal and disappointing and you have the balls to write a post like the one above? Laughable but you like Biden saying this is progress.
ScatManDoo
10-14-21, 18:01
Have you seen the White House job numbers that they posted this month? Dismal and disappointing and you have the balls to write a post like the one above? Laughable but you like Biden saying this is progress.TrumpShit lost three million jobs, far worse than any prior president.
The United States economy has gained more than four million jobs under Joe Biden's leadership.
TrumpShit lost three million jobs, far worse than any prior president.
The United States economy has gained more than four million jobs under Joe Biden's leadership.Trump lost 10+ million USA jobs. Since Biden took office and started this latest Great Biden/Dem Recovery he has saved, replaced and created all but about 3.1 million of the USA jobs Trump wiped out with his disastrous but typical Repub economic decisions.
No POTUS in history has a Greater USA jobs creating record as Sleepy Joe Biden.
No so-called potus in history has a worse USA jobs creating record as America-hating Covfefe Trump
Have you seen the White House job numbers that they posted this month? Dismal and disappointing and you have the balls to write a post like the one above? Laughable but you like Biden saying this is progress.Yep, I saw the numbers. Biden has averaged 740,000 USA jobs created per month since taking office. And that report showed USA worker wages rising more than they have in years! Thanks for reminding us.
Look, you're lucky and should thank Biden, Pelosi, Schumer and every Dem every day that there is any food AT ALL to be bought at ANY price, that there are still grocery stores in existence and staff on payrolls to sell that food to you, that Americans can keep their cars running on gasoline at ANY price today.
Had it been up to Trump and his fellow Repubs, it would be 24/7 Mad Max: Fury Road all across America by now, otherwise known as "Republican Party Economic Results Nirvana."
Remain in Mexico for asylum seekers was probably his biggest failure.
Reversing Trump policy on building the wall and now government paying contractors to not build it.
Reversing Trump policy on drilling on federal lands and reversing Trump regulations for oil and mining companies creating shortages of oil and natural gas and forcing oil companies to pass the increased costs to consumers.
Paying people to not work creating labor shortage nationwide creating supply chain problems.
There isn't enough space on here to list everything.
Do you really think the that the policies of the president of USA has no affect on the economy or inflation?Biden has created more jobs than there are applicants to take them. Stop fretting over asylum seekers.
Biden's oil drilling policies have near zero to do with the reason gas prices have spiked. The most obvious reason being domestic oil drilling changes take many, many months if not years to show up at the pump.
Last month's jobs numbers that you claimed were so terrible? Most of that was after the extended emergency unemployment benefits due to Trump's Great Repub Recession ran out.
The supply chain crisis due to Trump's Pandemic is worldwide, has virtually nothing to do with USA's unemployment insurance. Good lord.
Hey, maybe we can recruit some of those Haitians to drive our trucks and engineer our trains?
Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck, the Dems...
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/14/us-jobless-claims-total-293000-vs-318000-estimate.html?__source=androidappshare
Trump lost 10+ million USA jobs. Since Biden took office and started this latest Great Biden/Dem Recovery he has saved, replaced and created all but about 3.1 million of the USA jobs Trump wiped out with his disastrous but typical Repub economic decisions.
No POTUS in history has a Greater USA jobs creating record as Sleepy Joe Biden.
No so-called potus in history has a worse USA jobs creating record as America-hating Covfefe TrumpBiden has done great in fantasyland but unfortunately I live in USA where he is a disaster. White House calls jobs numbers disappointing. But you think the numbers are the best ever. Where do you get your news? Communism lasted for centuries because people like you believed the propaganda on how great the government was doing. Your new government is proud of you for believing.
ScatManDoo
10-14-21, 23:38
Jobless claims fall below 300,000 for the first time since the pandemic began
Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck, the Dems...
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/14/us-jobless-claims-total-293000-vs-318000-estimate.html?__source=androidappshareAnd with the new Pfizer vaccine for children between the ages of 5 and 11 finally getting delivered to West Virginia children next week.
They will get the coal mines back up to full capacity just in time to deliver this winters needed supply without labor shortages.
ScatManDoo
10-15-21, 00:00
Biden has done great in fantasyland but unfortunately I live in USA where he is a disaster. White House calls jobs numbers disappointing. But you think the numbers are the best ever. Where do you get your news? Communism lasted for centuries because people like you believed the propaganda on how great the government was doing. Your new government is proud of you for believing.Keep believing TrumpShit got more votes.
And with the new Pfizer vaccine for children between the ages of 5 and 11 finally getting delivered to West Virginia children next week. They will get the coal mines back up to full capacity just in time to deliver this winters needed supply without labor shortages.Hey,
There's laws against that kind of harsh child labor hahaha!
Biden has done great in fantasyland but unfortunately I live in USA where he is a disaster. White House calls jobs numbers disappointing. But you think the numbers are the best ever. Where do you get your news? Communism lasted for centuries because people like you believed the propaganda on how great the government was doing. Your new government is proud of you for believing.Yes, anything less than creating the remaining 3+ million jobs Trump wiped out with his economic decisions and policies you prefer over the Great Jobs Creating decisions and policies of Biden can be characterized as "disappointing."
Did you see the chart in the link I provided showing the steady, week over week decline in first time unemployment claims under Biden to get to this important "below 300,000" benchmark? Yeah, that is what was happening the whole time ypu and your buddies in California were wringing your hands with worry that Biden was "destroying America" and that Trump's policies that produced the all too typical Repub Massive USA Jobs Destruction challenge that Biden met and is surpassing "are preferred."
That's a lot of weeks in a row for any group of presumably capable adults to remain so ill-informed and wrong.
Remain in Mexico for asylum seekers was probably his biggest failure.
Reversing Trump policy on building the wall and now government paying contractors to not build it.
Reversing Trump policy on drilling on federal lands and reversing Trump regulations for oil and mining companies creating shortages of oil and natural gas and forcing oil companies to pass the increased costs to consumers.
Paying people to not work creating labor shortage nationwide creating supply chain problems.
There isn't enough space on here to list everything.
Do you really think the that the policies of the president of USA has no affect on the economy or inflation?The wall didn't and never will stop people, just a massive payback to Republican donors to be given no bid contracts.
Imaging oil companies having to control their pollution! Freezing bids on public lands has had minimal impact on drilling. The impact on drilling has been that investors now want real returns on shale oil and will not pump money into uneconomic production.
The states that have removed extra unemployment support are having as much difficulty finding labour as other states that did not do early phase out. Why should people work for peanuts? Now many industries are having to pay real wages, nothing wrong with that.
Basically you have not provided anything that is even a minor issue in anyone but Fox news junkies minds.
Yes, anything less than creating the remaining 3+ million jobs Trump wiped out with his economic decisions and policies you prefer over the Great Jobs Creating decisions and policies of Biden can be characterized as "disappointing."
Did you see the chart in the link I provided showing the steady, week over week decline in first time unemployment claims under Biden to get to this important "below 300,000" benchmark? Yeah, that is what was happening the whole time ypu and your buddies in California were wringing your hands with worry that Biden was "destroying America" and that Trump's policies that produced the all too typical Repub Massive USA Jobs Destruction challenge that Biden met and is surpassing "are preferred."
That's a lot of weeks in a row for any group of presumably capable adults to remain so ill-informed and wrong.Please name one great job policy Biden put in? Just one because no one I know can provide one. Just tell me one great decision Biden made.
Keep believing TrumpShit got more votes.One day you will believe Trump shit is better than communism. Keep supporting communism and socialism.
ScatManDoo
10-15-21, 18:30
Please name one great job policy Biden put in? Just one because no one I know can provide one. Just tell me one great decision Biden made.Vaccine mandates for large employers.
Makes working and doing business with big companies safer for everybody.
The sooner we get to being fully vaccinated, the sooner we can get back to normal.
I believe that cops who refuse to be vaccinated, should be permanently removed from servicing the public they apparently despise.
ScatManDoo
10-15-21, 18:34
One day you will believe Trump shit is better than communism. Keep supporting communism and socialism.Talk about picking between two evils.
ScatManDoo
10-15-21, 18:53
Imaging oil companies having to control their pollution! Freezing bids on public lands has had minimal impact on drilling. The impact on drilling has been that investors now want real returns on shale oil and will not pump money into uneconomic production.Throughout the entire world, no people and no energy companies are spending significant amounts of money anymore on oil exploration.
The handwriting is on the walls that demand for oil will only be falling during the next few decades as transportation of people and goods shifts to electric because it is becoming much much cheaper.
The oil industry will be with us forever, but never as significant as it was.
ScatManDoo
10-15-21, 19:43
Hey,
There's laws against that kind of harsh child labor hahaha!But all the big chucks of coal were already removed by adult miners.
We need their little hands to scoop out all the little pebbles of coal.
One day you will believe Trump shit is better than communism. Keep supporting communism and socialism.This day will never come.
Trumpshit in America is real. Communism / socialism in America is not.
Trumpshit has been tearing this country apart for years. Trumpshit disciples are responsible for 75% of all domestic terrorism in the USA Yet, they never fail to paint themselves as victims.
Hitler did the same thing every time after bombing the living hell out of yet another country.
Vaccine mandates for large employers.
Makes working and doing business with big companies safer for everybody.
The sooner we get to being fully vaccinated, the sooner we can get back to normal.
I believe that cops who refuse to be vaccinated, should be permanently removed from servicing the public they apparently despise.That is his big job creater? You are problem right as he hasn't created any jobs yet. That is laughable as big employers were going to hire people. With him putting the vaccine mandate it is hampering big companies on hiring. Trucking companies can't find enough people to hire. Creating backlogs on deliveries. You give Biden greatest accomplishment being slowing down job hiring's. It figures that is why Biden said progress was made when September jobs came in at 60% under expectations.
As for getting vaccinated it appears that the democrats don't get vaccinated either. BLM supporter and Trump hater Kyrie Irving won't get vaccinated. He must be a Trumper now. Thousands of students across the country refuse to get vaccinated so I guess all the university students are now Trumpsters. I guess all the students chanting F* Biden don't have their vaccines.
You must have very low expectations FR Biden.
This day will never come.
Trumpshit in America is real. Communism / socialism in America is not.
Trumpshit has been tearing this country apart for years. Trumpshit disciples are responsible for 75% of all domestic terrorism in the USA Yet, they never fail to paint themselves as victims.
Hitler did the same thing every time after bombing the living hell out of yet another country.BLM, Antifa and Islam are the only official domestic terrorists. They account for about 95% of all domestic terrorism. Try have caused billions of dollars of destruction and hurt so many people.
You are right. Communism and socialism isn't here but the left is trying to force it down our throat. Americans are too smart to listen to the left propaganda and the polls are showing it. You and the democrats will not be able to get your socialism.
Throughout the entire world, no people and no energy companies are spending significant amounts of money anymore on oil exploration.
The handwriting is on the walls that demand for oil will only be falling during the next few decades as transportation of people and goods shifts to electric because it is becoming much much cheaper.
The oil industry will be with us forever, but never as significant as it was.And how are they going to produce that electricity? Windmills? LOL. Look up "power grid inertia" and the mass blackout in Britain in August 2019, then get back to me.
Vaccine mandates for large employers.
Makes working and doing business with big companies safer for everybody.
The sooner we get to being fully vaccinated, the sooner we can get back to normal.
I believe that cops who refuse to be vaccinated, should be permanently removed from servicing the public they apparently despise.The vaccines don't work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSZMtSPX3iE
Throughout the entire world, no people and no energy companies are spending significant amounts of money anymore on oil exploration.
The handwriting is on the walls that demand for oil will only be falling during the next few decades as transportation of people and goods shifts to electric because it is becoming much much cheaper.
The oil industry will be with us forever, but never as significant as it was.Energy companies are investing billions of dollars worldwide. They will be investing billions in USA once there is a change in our government. Oil isn't going away anytime soon. At least not in our lives or our children's lives. Take a look at Exxon and Chevrons exploration. Just because Biden shut down 50% of USA exploration and drilling the rest of the world isn't that stupid. Biden is begging the rest of the world to ramp up drilling to increase supply which will then reduce the price. Don't think that just because the USA has a weak and dumb president that the rest of the world will make the same mistake.
Talk about picking between two evils.Yes Trumpism is better than Biden communism. That is a fact.
Biden has done great in fantasyland but unfortunately I live in USA where he is a disaster. White House calls jobs numbers disappointing. But you think the numbers are the best ever. Where do you get your news? Communism lasted for centuries because people like you believed the propaganda on how great the government was doing. Your new government is proud of you for believing.Good post except for one thing: communism didn't last for centuries. It lasted for only a few decades, such is its destructive power at unravelling the societies unfortunate enough to suffer it. No amount of fake media propaganda could save the Soviet Union.
That is what is sadly happening to the USA now, which will suffer a similar fate despite all the fake news and Big Tech censorship. Get out of the democrat shithole cities and into a red state. Tens of thousands of New Yorkers and Commiefornians are moving to Florida and Texas: join them before it's too late.
Remain in Mexico for asylum seekers was probably his biggest failure.
Reversing Trump policy on building the wall and now government paying contractors to not build it.
Reversing Trump policy on drilling on federal lands and reversing Trump regulations for oil and mining companies creating shortages of oil and natural gas and forcing oil companies to pass the increased costs to consumers.
Paying people to not work creating labor shortage nationwide creating supply chain problems.
There isn't enough space on here to list everything.
Do you really think the that the policies of the president of USA has no affect on the economy or inflation?I have been absent from this site for a couple months because all the posters here were socialists. It is a breathe of fresh air to see someone post here that has some common sense. You are 100% right. There is t enough space to post all Biden catastrophes. You didn't even mention Afghanistan and his wrecks on foreign policy.
Please name one great job policy Biden put in? Just one because no one I know can provide one. Just tell me one great decision Biden made.I have already done this for you 2-3 times. But I will do it again. However, you and apparently everyone you know and talk to about this off this board really should get that cognitive retention and short term memory problem checked before the next election. Maybe follow Biden's diet and exercise regime. Even at his age, he still has the cognitive and memory retention skills of a 40 year old. You're lucky enough to live in the great State of California where much of the best and healthiest food comes from and the weather allows you to be active pretty much 365 days a year.
Anyway, back to "naming one". Here's one, but not the only one:
Biden signs $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan into law
March 12,2021.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-signs-covid-relief-bill-american-rescue-plan-into-law/
And, yes, his vaccination or weekly testing mandates as already mentioned were major stimulus for USA businesses to get back to work, improve earnings, expand and hire. You'll find that here, among others:
Joe Biden's executive orders and actions
https://ballotpedia.org/Joe_Biden%27s_executive_orders_and_actions
Which is how Biden got us to his historic record of 740,000 USA jobs created on average per month to date, bringing down Trump's skyrocketing Unemployment Rate to below the Full Employment level (approximately 6% these days), the week over week steady decline in initial USA jobless claims now below the key 300,000 benchmark level for a Healthy Labor Market and these:
Dow jumps 380 points Friday, posts winning week after strong start to earnings season
Oct. 14, 2021.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/14/stock-market-futures-open-to-close-news.html
ECONOMY
Retail sales unexpectedly rise in September as consumers keep spending
Oct. 15, 2021.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/retail-sales-unexpectedly-gain-in-september-as-consumers-keep-spending.html
Thanks again, Joe, Nancy, Chuck, the Dems. Piss on the Repubs and thanks for less than nothing except obstruction and resistance to making this historically positive Recovery from THEIR typical mishandling and near destruction of American Capitalism happen.
Where is the Repubs' "alternate" competitive or, hahaha, "better" infrastructure plan? Their "alternate" competitive USA jobs recovery and creation plan? Their "alternate" competitive plan for dealing with our legal requirement not to deny asylum seekers and refugees? Anything? Nope. Nothing. They have spent 24/7/365 since Trump came down that escalator only figuring out how to rig even further an already rigged election system in their favor so they don't have to do a goddam thing other than Crash the USA economy and wipe out millions upon millions of USA jobs over and over and over again yet still put their QAnon representatives in place to declare them the "winners" in elections anyway. Pathetic.
I have already done this for you 2-3 times. But I will do it again. However, you and apparently everyone you know and talk to about this off this board really should get that cognitive retention and short term memory problem checked before the next election. Maybe follow Biden's diet and exercise regime. Even at his age, he still has the cognitive and memory retention skills of a 40 year old. You're lucky enough to live in the great State of California where much of the best and healthiest food comes from and the weather allows you to be active pretty much 365 days a year.
Anyway, back to "naming one". Here's one, but not the only one:
Biden signs $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan into law
March 12,2021.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-signs-covid-relief-bill-american-rescue-plan-into-law/
And, yes, his vaccination or weekly testing mandates as already mentioned were major stimulus for USA businesses to get back to work, improve earnings, expand and hire. You'll find that here, among others:.Yes Biden giving away our tax dollars to individuals and business did create some spending and a few jobs. Vaccinations and weekly testing is not a job creater by the way. As you previously said in your posts last year the president has nothing to do with the stock market. So you can't count that. Stock market is doing good because Biden has gotten nothing done. If he gets his regulations put in on the banks and financial institutions you will see the market go the other way. Fortunately Biden gets nothing accomplished so Trump economy is slowly coming back because Biden does nothing. Nothing Biden has done has created jobs. The pandemic is ending and people are going back to work. Slower than history because Biden is still promising free money to not work. As for Biden memory retention we have all see that on the news, you tube and other internet how he forgets names, forgets city he is in, forgets where he is. White House will not let him take questions from reporters because he is second stage Alzheimer's. They are hiding him and telling him what to do and what to say daily because he has the retention of a 40 year old. White House knows this. Senators know this but somehow they have to try to keep him hanging in there or the blooming idiot Harris takes over. So you will only see his speeches from a fake set of the Oval Office with huge teleprompters and if he has to make an appearance he will be 30 minutes late, read a scripted message and disappear without answering any questions like no president in history.
Biden....Even at his age, he still has the cognitive and memory retention skills of a 40 year old.OK, you got me. It's been satire all along. Brilliant!
One day you will believe Trump shit is better than communism. Keep supporting communism and socialism.One day, maybe, you'll take a break from watching Fux "News" and learn what "socialism" and "communism" are all about. The "party of NO" loves to use those words to describe Democrats and their cult members fall for it hook, line and sinker. Every! Freaking! Time!
Since you say you live in California, do you pay the full value of your property tax or the reduced rate the "socialists" enacted? If the latter, why? If you had any cojones or principles at all, you'd write out a check for the full amount of your property tax. That's just one example out of hundreds that exist.
One day, maybe, you'll take a break from watching Fux "News" and learn what "socialism" and "communism" are all about. The "party of NO" loves to use those words to describe Democrats and their cult members fall for it hook, line and sinker. Every! Freaking! Time!
Since you say you live in California, do you pay the full value of your property tax or the reduced rate the "socialists" enacted? If the latter, why? If you had any cojones or principles at all, you'd write out a check for the full amount of your property tax. That's just one example out of hundreds that exist.Other examples are Medicare, Social Security, public education, student loans, and meat inspection, most of which conservatives in their objections rightly called "socialism" when first enacted. But the whole capitalist / socialist angle is a false dichotomy as all developed countries exist as mixed economies. It's not a question of whether we are going to have socialism or not, but how much and what sort. But red baiting has always been an effective propanganda tool to sway simply minds.
One day, maybe, you'll take a break from watching Fux "News" and learn what "socialism" and "communism" are all about. The "party of NO" loves to use those words to describe Democrats and their cult members fall for it hook, line and sinker. Every! Freaking! Time!
Since you say you live in California, do you pay the full value of your property tax or the reduced rate the "socialists" enacted? If the latter, why? If you had any cojones or principles at all, you'd write out a check for the full amount of your property tax. That's just one example out of hundreds that exist.Other examples are Medicare, Social Security, public education, student loans, and meat inspection, most of which conservatives in their objections rightly called "socialism" when first enacted. But the whole capitalist / socialist angle is a false dichotomy as all developed countries exist as mixed economies. It's not a question of whether we are going to have socialism or not, but how much and what sort. But red baiting has always been an effective propaganda tool to sway simply minds, and line the pockets of twerps like Tucker Carlson.
One day, maybe, you'll take a break from watching Fux "News" and learn what "socialism" and "communism" are all about. The "party of NO" loves to use those words to describe Democrats and their cult members fall for it hook, line and sinker. Every! Freaking! Time!
Since you say you live in California, do you pay the full value of your property tax or the reduced rate the "socialists" enacted? If the latter, why? If you had any cojones or principles at all, you'd write out a check for the full amount of your property tax. That's just one example out of hundreds that exist.I bought my house 2 years ago and I pay the property taxes on the value I paid for it. No benefit there.
We are lucky. The American people are standing up against socialists and communism. Biden, Bernie, Nancy and Chuck are having problems jamming socialism down our throats. The Republicans, independents and democrats like me will fight socialism and communism. Unfortunately you as a follower will not.
ScatManDoo
10-17-21, 01:05
And how are they going to produce that electricity? Windmills? LOL. Look up "power grid inertia" and the mass blackout in Britain in August 2019, then get back to me.The desserts are about to be carpeted with cheap solar panels.
Well, 2% of it initially, since there's a fucking crap lot of it.
Did you not get the memo?
Other examples are Medicare, Social Security, public education, student loans, and meat inspection, most of which conservatives in their objections rightly called "socialism" when first enacted. But the whole capitalist / socialist angle is a false dichotomy as all developed countries exist as mixed economies. It's not a question of whether we are going to have socialism or not, but how much and what sort. But red baiting has always been an effective propanganda tool to sway simply minds.I agree that none of your examples are socialism. Medicare and social security are paid from the social security the tax payers paid into for 50 years. Fortunately for democrats who are on welfare their whole life or didn't work or pay into it that they still get Medicare and a minimum social security check. Our property taxes pay for public schools so no socialism there. Student loans are exactly what it says. Loans just the same as a car loan or a house loan. The borrower must pay it back. I have no idea how meat inspection could possibly be socialism or how you thought it made sense to throw it in. Maybe you need to add house inspection, car inspection, termite inspection. If you don't know what socialism means. Just admit it.
As a democrat with most of my friends being democrat it is an embarrassment to see these socialists on this site claiming to be democrats. With the socialistic posts there isn't a democrat who would fall for this ruse. It is a pity that you and Bernie can't convince Americans socialism is good. Americans are too smart. They want to live in USA not Venezuela. Even Biden is distancing himself from it but he probably won't remember the next day what he stands for. I thought Trumpsters were bad but they are a disgrace.
I agree that none of your examples are socialism. Medicare and social security are paid from the social security the tax payers paid into for 50 years. Fortunately for democrats who are on welfare their whole life or didn't work or pay into it that they still get Medicare and a minimum social security check. Our property taxes pay for public schools so no socialism there. Student loans are exactly what it says. Loans just the same as a car loan or a house loan. The borrower must pay it back. I have no idea how meat inspection could possibly be socialism or how you thought it made sense to throw it in. Maybe you need to add house inspection, car inspection, termite inspection. If you don't know what socialism means. Just admit it.Lets highlight where the real socialism is. Farm Subsidies, Oil and Gas subsidies, Corporate Subsidies, The Military, Big Pharma, Big Health. Why do you think lobbyists exist?
I agree that none of your examples are socialism. Medicare and social security are paid from the social security the tax payers paid into for 50 years. Fortunately for democrats who are on welfare their whole life or didn't work or pay into it that they still get Medicare and a minimum social security check. Our property taxes pay for public schools so no socialism there. Student loans are exactly what it says. Loans just the same as a car loan or a house loan. The borrower must pay it back. I have no idea how meat inspection could possibly be socialism or how you thought it made sense to throw it in. Maybe you need to add house inspection, car inspection, termite inspection. If you don't know what socialism means. Just admit it.Doling out survival subsistence cash to deadenders quickly finds its way into corporate coffers. Various industries benefit and have interest in keeping the system in place. Without it, new industries would develop -- capitalized businesses picking up bodies off the streets for example, rival companies to the fast food franchises -- and the cash still finds its way to a corporation's bottom line.
In USA, it is socialism for the corporations and the 1%, and capitalism for everybody else.
FYI, example: Although it may be marketed as 'Investing in Our Future' or some such slogan, student loans enable the credentialing industry to have customers. They're a subsidy that keeps the schools solvent. Do you see how that works?
ScatManDoo
10-17-21, 03:25
The democrats will be pushing hard to get their subpoenas enforced.
Steve Bannon needs to be real scared of winding up in jail.
Federal prisons can be nasty, mean, hard places for pretty boys.
BLM, Antifa and Islam are the only official domestic terrorists. They account for about 95% of all domestic terrorism. Try have caused billions of dollars of destruction and hurt so many people.But of course you know what you just said is pure idiocy. Don't ya?
The surge reflects a growing threat from homegrown terrorism not seen in a quarter-century, with right-wing extremist attacks and plots greatly eclipsing those from the far left and causing more deaths, the analysis shows.
The number of all domestic terrorism incidents in the data peaked in 2020.
Since 2015, right-wing extremists have been involved in 267 plots or attacks and 91 fatalities, the data shows. At the same time, attacks and plots ascribed to far-left views accounted for 66 incidents leading to 19 deaths. https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/domestic-terrorism-data/
You and the democrats will not be able to get your socialism.I'm not a democrat. You are.
Isn't that what you keep repeating on this board ad nauseam?
Which means it is you who will not be able to get your socialism, not me.
ScatManDoo
10-17-21, 07:03
"If we don't solve the Presidential Election Fraud of 2020 (which we have thoroughly and conclusively documented), Republicans will not be voting in '22 or '24. It is the single most important thing for Republicans to do. " - Donald J. Trump (Shit) on Wednesday, October 13th.
I hope we can get a few million posters made of this important issued statement.
I thought they were not finding any voting fraud, with over 60 failed court cases.
But Donald Trump says he has thoroughly and conclusively documented the fraud.
So I agree, the only good solution to solve the problem is have republicans not vote.
I bought my house 2 years ago and I pay the property taxes on the value I paid for it. No benefit there.
We are lucky. The American people are standing up against socialists and communism. Biden, Bernie, Nancy and Chuck are having problems jamming socialism down our throats. The Republicans, independents and democrats like me will fight socialism and communism. Unfortunately you as a follower will not.If you weren't permanently assigned to the short bus, you would know, as a Californicator, about Proposition 13 and its effects on the property tax rates. The property tax you paid is far lower than the tax you would have paid had Prop 13 not been enacted by "the socialists".
But you just keep blathering incoherently.
OK, you got me. It's been satire all along. Brilliant!Not at all. Assuming some of the people CaliGuy talks to who keep forgetting, as he does, what Biden has done to create millions more USA jobs in just the past 9 months than the total net gain number of USA jobs created vs destroyed by the combined economic "stewardship" of every Repub president since 1860 are around 40 years old, Biden's cognitive and memory retention skills clearly far surpass theirs, not merely match theirs.
As a democrat with most of my friends being democrat it is an embarrassment to see these socialists on this site claiming to be democrats. With the socialistic posts there isn't a democrat who would fall for this ruse. It is a pity that you and Bernie can't convince Americans socialism is good. Americans are too smart. They want to live in USA not Venezuela. Even Biden is distancing himself from it but he probably won't remember the next day what he stands for. I thought Trumpsters were bad but they are a disgrace.Young man, before you use advanced terms like "socialism" you might want to find out what you are talking about. Venezuela isn't anything even close to a socialist state. It is widely acknowledged as a dictatorship supported by the military.
The most representative countries that would fit a socialist mode are: Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Portugal etc.
The desserts are about to be carpeted with cheap solar panels.
Well, 2% of it initially, since there's a fucking crap lot of it.
Did you not get the memo?That's just great. Aaaaand what do we do at night or when it's cloudy?
I have been absent from this site for a couple months because all the posters here were socialists.Yes I drop in and out too but the usual Dem Douches never leave. They remind me of medieval religious fanatics, giving their lives for their cause. Except medieval religious fanatics would never have believed anything as ridiculous as "the world is going to end in 10 years" or "trannies are women", as modern-day democrats do.
Just a quick addendum to clownworld, which has already been disappeared down the fake media memoryhole: The recent Texas school shooter, who shot four people at his high school.
With previous school shooters the media have been all over it, taking the opportunity to attack the Constitution, conservatives, and white men in general. But strangely not in this case. Here, the shooter was given sympathetic coverage (they covered his mama, or some female relative, telling us that he a gud boi who dindu nuffin because the kids he shot had bullied him) and then he was released the following day!
So, you take a gun into a school and shoot four people, you get out the next day; you walk unarmed through open doors into a government building, you get 9 months and counting of torture in solitary confinement.
Whatever could the reason be for this strange discrepancy?
Young man, before you use advanced terms like "socialism" you might want to find out what you are talking about. Venezuela isn't anything even close to a socialist state. It is widely acknowledged as a dictatorship supported by the military.
The most representative countries that would fit a socialist mode are: Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Portugal etc.OK, I understand what you're trying to say, but it's simply not accurate. With the demise of the USSR and Warsaw Pact, the only real socialist countries that exist in the world today are Cuba and North Korea, and that's it. It's not even Vietnam and China despite their ideological contortions. And it's certainly not Norway, Sweden et al, which are social democracies, yes, but with free market economy at their core, they have absolutely nothing to do with socialism.
There is a huge difference between social democracy and democratic socialism. The former is real, the latter doesn't exist.
If you weren't permanently assigned to the short bus, you would know, as a Californicator, about Proposition 13 and its effects on the property tax rates. The property tax you paid is far lower than the tax you would have paid had Prop 13 not been enacted by "the socialists".
But you just keep blathering incoherently.Thanks for confirming that California has been run by socialists. I guess that is why the democrats in California are upset with the current government. My property taxes are $12,000. Much more expensive than most of the other states adjoining California. There is nothing cheap about living in California.
Not at all. Assuming some of the people CaliGuy talks to who keep forgetting, as he does, what Biden has done to create millions more USA jobs in just the past 9 months than the total net gain number of USA jobs created vs destroyed by the combined economic "stewardship" of every Repub president since 1860 are around 40 years old, Biden's cognitive and memory retention skills clearly far surpass theirs, not merely match theirs.Biden still has not gotten the jobs back from the high in Trump presidency before the China virus. With the vaccines and virtually every business looking to hire Biden policies have not yet reached the high that Trump achieved. Biden has done nothing and created nothing. That is why jobs are returning at such a slow pace. The White House and democrat party have him isolated from the world. He is not running the country. Every day he is told who to talk to and what to say then leave without taking questions so that the public won't see the poor memory skills he as. It is not his fault. Alzheimer's is serious. 65% of the USA knows this and virtually every world leader knows this. Biden is a joke and his presidency is a sham. In 10 months already surpassed Carter as worst president ever. Obviously you don't live in USA or you would see it too.
Doling out survival subsistence cash to deadenders quickly finds its way into corporate coffers. Various industries benefit and have interest in keeping the system in place. Without it, new industries would develop -- capitalized businesses picking up bodies off the streets for example, rival companies to the fast food franchises -- and the cash still finds its way to a corporation's bottom line.
In USA, it is socialism for the corporations and the 1%, and capitalism for everybody else.
FYI, example: Although it may be marketed as 'Investing in Our Future' or some such slogan, student loans enable the credentialing industry to have customers. They're a subsidy that keeps the schools solvent. Do you see how that works?This is absurd. Just because you are on welfare or government subsistence someone has to work and pay taxes so a socialistic government can give it to you. You must be one of the proud democrats on welfare. Biden knows all welfare recipients are democrats so the more people he can put on welfare is more votes. The world does not need student loans. They are low interest and a majority of them are in default. I can see why you voted for Biden because it ensures you will get your welfare check and not have to work just like Xparton and Eih Toombs.
Another example of a democrat governor with no common sense.
Ships are piling up at Long Beach waiting to get unloaded. The port is jammed full of containers with no place to stack more. The liberal media is blaming it on the trucking industry while the nation's store shelves are becoming bare. Well there's more to the story. Could Gavin Newsom and California's liberal trucking laws be the blame?
The news says the California port situation is caused by a driver shortage.
Not so fast: It is in part caused by a California Truck Ban which says all trucks must be 2011 or newer and a law called AB 5 which prohibits Owner Operators.
Traditionally the ports have been served by Owner Operators (non union). California has now banned Owner Operators.
Long term, truckers in California are not investing in new trucks because California has a law that makes them illegal in 2035. The requirement is to purchase electric trucks which do not exist.
Biden still has not gotten the jobs back from the high in Trump presidency before the China virus. With the vaccines and virtually every business looking to hire Biden policies have not yet reached the high that Trump achieved. Biden has done nothing and created nothing. That is why jobs are returning at such a slow pace. The White House and democrat party have him isolated from the world. He is not running the country. Every day he is told who to talk to and what to say then leave without taking questions so that the public won't see the poor memory skills he as. It is not his fault. Alzheimer's is serious. 65% of the USA knows this and virtually every world leader knows this. Biden is a joke and his presidency is a sham. In 10 months already surpassed Carter as worst president ever. Obviously you don't live in USA or you would see it too.You mean the number of jobs Trump produced in his first three years that were fewer than the number of jobs Obama produced in the 3 years prior? Yes, I have acknowledged that Biden's historic all-time record of USA jobs creation is still about 3 million jobs short from the 10+ million Trump wiped out in his fourth year due to one of his many disastrous economic decisions going back to at least 2018.
But Biden has only been POTUS for about 9 months. He's got at least 3 if not 7 years and 3 months left of Dem economic expansion and historic USA jobs creation left.
Or did you and your friends in California "forget" about that part?
Truly, if Trump's presidential stewardship results as a so-called potus had only been half as good as Carter's, America and the world would have been doing great by January 2021.
But they weren't.
Another example of a democrat governor with no common sense.
Ships are piling up at Long Beach waiting to get unloaded. The port is jammed full of containers with no place to stack more. The liberal media is blaming it on the trucking industry while the nation's store shelves are becoming bare. Well there's more to the story. Could Gavin Newsom and California's liberal trucking laws be the blame?
The news says the California port situation is caused by a driver shortage.
Not so fast: It is in part caused by a California Truck Ban which says all trucks must be 2011 or newer and a law called AB 5 which prohibits Owner Operators.
Traditionally the ports have been served by Owner Operators (non union). California has now banned Owner Operators.
Long term, truckers in California are not investing in new trucks because California has a law that makes them illegal in 2035. The requirement is to purchase electric trucks which do not exist.Um...if drivers had plenty of the "required" trucks to transport the goods as of March 2020, what happened to them since then? Did they sell them to pound into scrap and donate the money to the MAGA sucker fund raisers?
This is absurd. Just because you are on welfare or government subsistence someone has to work and pay taxes so a socialistic government can give it to you. I can see why you voted for Biden because it ensures you will get your welfare check and not have to work just like Xparton and Eih Toombs.Wealth is being transferred to corporations, shareholders, the 1%. Doling out your welfare checks to impoverished individuals is just one small way it happens. Plus it has the side benefit of keeping your underclass docile. You wouldn't want these deadbeats clamoring for your job, or coming after your castle or your womenfolk, would you?
ScatManDoo
10-18-21, 04:19
That's just great. Aaaaand what do we do at night or when it's cloudy?Fuck.
Read the memo.
John Clayton
10-18-21, 04:31
...Ships are piling up at Long Beach waiting to get unloaded. The port is jammed full of containers ...Long term, truckers in California are not investing in new trucks because California has a law ...There seems to be fairly good, objective statistical evidence that the slowdown has been engineered by the ILWU as a political / economic play. There is a closely watched statistic (called something like "berth productivity') which is a measure of the cost of moving one container TEU from a ship out of the port. Port of Long Beach does not rate highly compared to other ports (e.g. , Qingdao, Yokohama, Singapore). Most evidence points to the crane workers who want to limit the number of new cranes that can be installed, as well as the number of cranes that can work at any time. There is also consideralble anecdotal evidence that they are deliberately gumming up the process (loading trucks out of order, slow loading, etc), which I guess is mostly to make more money or maintain power. The ILWU crane operators are already the most highly paid in the world and the port management lives in fear of them. In short, I think it's not the trucks, rather the cranes.
Thanks for confirming that California has been run by socialists. I guess that is why the democrats in California are upset with the current government. My property taxes are $12,000. Much more expensive than most of the other states adjoining California. There is nothing cheap about living in California.That your property tax is higher isn't the point. The point is that you don't have the cojones to write the state a check for what your property tax should have been had the Democrats not pushed for Prop 13. Why not?
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