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D Cups
01-15-22, 15:26
You are so right! I don't know if any of you got to see Biden speech totally but he is a total disaster. Clueless. Saying the same things over and over with no solutions in sight.CG, you are correct in all of the points you are making. The dumbocrats are delusional, misinformed, misguided and just plain stupid. And you can't fix stupid! Fuck Joe Biden and all the idiots that voted for him! Life in the USA has gotten so bad I am leaving permanently for greener pastures in the Philippines (actually retiring there) where I will not have to listen the dribbling horseshit that the dumbocrats incessantly spew (while the economy continues to tailspin out of control). Plus the Filipina chicks are super sweet and sexy: total opposite of their American fat-ass counterparts. I say good riddance to the USA and what it has become!

Canada
01-15-22, 17:30
First, you "corrected" nothing unilaterally. You "corrected" your 25% comment after you got called out on it several times.

Now, as to the following statements I made: "As in, "Everybody knows" that windmills cause cancer.

Or as in, "Everybody knows" that Chinese thermostats changed votes.

Or as in, "Everybody knows" that injecting bleach cures COVID."

Statement#1 and statement #3 were made by none other than the former guy, your hero, the twice-impeached so-called potus. Statement #2 was made by a DOJ official (Jeffrey Clark) who was appointed by the aforementioned twice-impeached so-called potus.

So it was your guy and his guy who made outlandish statement. If you'd like, I'll post more outlandish statements by the twice-impeached Cheeto McBonespurs. Unfortunately, many supporters of the former guy believe all of his outlandish statements.Yes democrats had 2 bogus impeachments with fake Russian collusion but if Republicans get control of the house and senate they have several legitimate reasons to impeach Biden and Harris. The 2 impeachments may be a blessing in disguise.

PVMonger
01-15-22, 17:59
I believe you. Right-wingers are so far off the rails that mainstream Republicans are same as Marxists to you.As I have said many times, the wingers on this board consider anything more liberal than "Slavery and the Holocaust were great ideas" is Marxist, communist or socialist.

Cali Guy
01-15-22, 19:53
Um, you're reading and quoting an opinion piece on that site. The various Jobs Approval and Favorability Ratings are found in the drop down menu.

The logical prediction for the midterms is the same pattern for the 1st midterm of a new presidency combined with the same pattern for what happens to Dems in Congress after they pass and enact historic legislation that Repubs and their typically loyal benefactors in Maistream Media effectively demonize and frighten the American people over early on for their purposes but inevitably turn out to be among the most revered and guarded components that Makes America Great; they lose significant numbers of seats.

It happened after every major Dem improvement on American life from FDR to LBJ to Clinton to Obama. Which means it will probably happen with Biden, too.

None of the "gotcha" demonizing of sucker culture war issues matter in the least to that outcome even though pro Repub pundits will try to claim guru status for recognizing and pointing to them.

They are not needed to produce that likely midterm outcome. That is just the pattern and the way Americans can be swayed and influenced whether it is the 1930's, 1960's, 1990's, 2000's or 2020+.Voters won't need much influence if the next 9 months follow the pattern of historical catastrophe that Biden created in 2021. Obama was bad but Biden makes even him look good. Biden and Harris are so incompetent that they are killing the democrat party. Should be a fun November.

Elvis 2008
01-15-22, 21:46
Um, you're reading and quoting an opinion piece on that site. The various Jobs Approval and Favorability Ratings are found in the drop down menu.

The logical prediction for the midterms is the same pattern for the 1st midterm of a new presidency combined with the same pattern for what happens to Dems in Congress after they pass and enact historic legislation that Repubs and their typically loyal benefactors in Maistream Media effectively demonize and frighten the American people over early on for their purposes but inevitably turn out to be among the most revered and guarded components that Makes America Great; they lose significant numbers of seats.How about a little more specific than a significant number of seats? The media predicts four seats lost in the Senate. I will go with more than that.

ScatManDoo
01-15-22, 23:03
How about a little more specific than a significant number of seats? The media predicts four seats lost in the Senate. I will go with more than that.Smart money is on the under with TrumpShit's involvement.

He'll soon be turning many more pubs into losers.

RCP map of the senate shows just seven of the 2022 senate races too close to call, with only four of those seats currently held by Democrats.

Only suckers with no objectivity expect a run of the table by one side.

I would be surprised to see Dr. Oz win in Pennsylvania due to the Shit help he gets.

Xpartan
01-15-22, 23:36
Yes democrats had 2 bogus impeachments with fake Russian collusion but if Republicans get control of the house and senate they have several legitimate reasons to impeach Biden and Harris.Doesn't it bother you at all that every single word coming out of your mouth is a falsehood?

1. The first impeachment was not about Russian collusion. It was about Trump pressuring a foreign president (Ukraine) to dig out dirt on his (Trump's) political opponent.

2. The second impeachment was not about Russian collusion, either. It was about Trump unleashing his rabid stormtroopers on the Nation's Capitol to prevent peaceful transfer of power.

3. Your so called "legitimate" reasons to impeach Biden is a huge laugh. A ridiculous sour-loser threat that will never materialize simply because there is nothing there.

And a vague one, too, as it's always the case with all your ramblings.

What's really astonishing to me is that Trump is yet to be criminally charged with the incitement of rioting. He's thousands times more guilty than any of those 700 lunatics who have been charged already. Impeachment is clearly not enough for the crime of this magnitude.

Canada
01-16-22, 00:46
Doesn't it bother you at all that every single word coming out of your mouth is a falsehood?

1. The first impeachment was not about Russian collusion. It was about Trump pressuring a foreign president (Ukraine) to dig out dirt on his (Trump's) political opponent.

2. The second impeachment was not about Russian collusion, either. It was about Trump unleashing his rabid stormtroopers on the Nation's Capitol to prevent peaceful transfer of power.

3. Your so called "legitimate" reasons to impeach Biden is a huge laugh. A ridiculous sour-loser threat that will never materialize simply because there is nothing there.

And a vague one, too, as it's always the case with all your ramblings.

What's really astonishing to me is that Trump is yet to be criminally charged with the incitement of rioting. He's thousands times more guilty than any of those 700 lunatics who have been charged already. Impeachment is clearly not enough for the crime of this magnitude.Here are a couple of many reasons.

1. Leaving Americans stranded in Afghanistan and arming the Taliban in Afghanistan.

2. Not securing our borders allowing illegals, criminals, drugs and terrorists to pour into our country.

Biden is destroying our country. He has to be stopped.

MarquisdeSade1
01-16-22, 03:07
Doesn't it bother you at all that every single word coming out of your mouth is a falsehood?

1. The first impeachment was not about Russian collusion. It was about Trump pressuring a foreign president (Ukraine) to dig out dirt on his (Trump's) political opponent.

2. The second impeachment was not about Russian collusion, either. It was about Trump unleashing his rabid stormtroopers on the Nation's Capitol to prevent peaceful transfer of power.

3. Your so called "legitimate" reasons to impeach Biden is a huge laugh. A ridiculous sour-loser threat that will never materialize simply because there is nothing there.

And a vague one, too, as it's always the case with all your ramblings.

What's really astonishing to me is that Trump is yet to be criminally charged with the incitement of rioting. He's thousands times more guilty than any of those 700 lunatics who have been charged already. Impeachment is clearly not enough for the crime of this magnitude.I'm pretty sure most legal experts would agree Harris could and should be impeached as VP for working to post bail for domestic terrorists during the faux campaign of 2020.

EihTooms
01-16-22, 04:22
President Biden Job Approval Rasmussen Reports _Approve 38, Disapprove 60 **Net Disapprove +22.

President Biden Job Approval Quinnipiac _Approve 35, Disapprove 54 **Net Disapprove +19.

President Biden Job Approval Politico / Morning Consult _Approve 44, Disapprove 53 **Disapprove +9.

President Biden Job Approval Economist / YouGov_Approve 45, Disapprove 51 **Disapprove +6.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/ 1/14/2021.Again, you're cherry picking individual polls. A "consensus" of the polls is the far more accurate one to use and, yes, RealClearPolitics provides that information even though their consensus results are heavily weighted and influenced by Rasmussen, which oversamples Repubs so egregiously many other polling report sites don't even include or mention them.

You see, the "consensus" of polls is how all polling sites judge the accuracy or not in the polls based on the actual election outcome.

Now, if we were to only cherry pick individual polls, you would find many, many instances of Trump's Job Approval Rating hitting 33-34% Approve and 60% Disapprove, not just one rarity like that one for Biden. See how that works against your side?

In the RCP link you provided the consensus numbers can be found by tapping that little three horizontal line "hamburger button" icon in the upper left corner of the screen.

That is where you find that, even with as much oversampling of Repubs as many of RCP's favorite polls engage in, Biden's Job Approval / Favorability Rating consensus today is higher than Trump's was at this point in his presidency, yes pre Trump's Pandemic, higher than Trump's was at the end of his presidency, higher in Favorability than Trump's is today, higher than for Moscow Mitch, higher than for Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Kevin McCarthy and higher than the entire House and Senate generally.

Yes, higher than Kamala Harris' too!

It shows that Biden is the least disliked and disapproved of person among all current elected federal leadership officials and all living defeated former presidents with the probable exception of Carter.

For anyone citing poll numbers as "proof" of a successful or accomplished presidency, as defeated former presidents go, Carter's exit poll numbers were also better than defeated former so-called president Trump's were. But in Carter's day we really had only a handful of major polls like Gallup to go on, not the dozens to choose from for a "consensus" like we have today.

I wonder what Lincoln's poll numbers individually or in consensus would have been throughout his presidency. I'm guessing any polling service that oversamples the same regional voters who vote Repub today as Rasmussen does had conducted the polling back then, Lincoln's Job Approval Rating would have lingered somewhere around 10% Approve and 90% Disapprove from 1861 until that fateful night at Ford's Theatre. But that is just a guess.

EihTooms
01-16-22, 04:47
How about a little more specific than a significant number of seats? The media predicts four seats lost in the Senate. I will go with more than that.Well, that is very encouraging for the Dems. If your midterm election outcome prediction is as far off and in the wrong direction as your apparent prognostications for total stock market gains under Clinton, Obama and now Biden, it is possible the Dems will actually gain a Senate seat or two.

What difference would it make if the Dems lose one or 10 Senate seats, lose the House by 1 or 60 Repub-gerrymandered to disregard all potential Dems districts? The end result will be Biden and the Dems have already locked in more meaningful legislation destined to continue saving the lives of Americans who are not too stupid to accept the free offer, create millions more higher paying jobs and improve America and the lives of Americans more than all the previous Repub administrations and Congresses combined.

Biden's main goal then will be to prevent congressional Repubs from doing something typically astonishingly stupid to fuck it up. Just as Clinton and Obama prevented Repubs from doing that on their watch. In their case, Repubs had to wait until the next Repub slithered into the White House to start doing their astonishingly stupid things to Crash the Economy, the stock market and wipe out millions of jobs.

Canada
01-16-22, 05:27
Doesn't it bother you at all that every single word coming out of your mouth is a falsehood?

1. The first impeachment was not about Russian collusion. It was about Trump pressuring a foreign president (Ukraine) to dig out dirt on his (Trump's) political opponent.

2. The second impeachment was not about Russian collusion, either. It was about Trump unleashing his rabid stormtroopers on the Nation's Capitol to prevent peaceful transfer of power.

3. Your so called "legitimate" reasons to impeach Biden is a huge laugh. A ridiculous sour-loser threat that will never materialize simply because there is nothing there.

And a vague one, too, as it's always the case with all your ramblings.

What's really astonishing to me is that Trump is yet to be criminally charged with the incitement of rioting. He's thousands times more guilty than any of those 700 lunatics who have been charged already. Impeachment is clearly not enough for the crime of this magnitude.Posting the truth never bothers me. Biden has done more in 1 year to be impeached than Trump ever did.

MarquisdeSade1
01-16-22, 06:12
How about a little more specific than a significant number of seats? The media predicts four seats lost in the Senate. I will go with more than that.https://amgreatness.com/2022/01/15/joe-biden-deep-state-puppet/

Dead man walking.

EihTooms
01-16-22, 14:01
Smart money is on the under with TrumpShit's involvement.

He'll soon be turning many more pubs into losers.

RCP map of the senate shows just seven of the 2022 senate races too close to call, with only four of those seats currently held by Democrats.

Only suckers with no objectivity expect a run of the table by one side.

I would be surprised to see Dr. Oz win in Pennsylvania due to the Shit help he gets.Yes, that is what makes a true due diligence based prediction for the outcome of the midterms impossible.

On the one hand, the Dems have the repeated pattern of the 1st midterm of a new president going against them. They also have going against them with Biden and the Dems today the pattern of Dems losing significant numbers of congressional seats in subsequent midterms after passing truly great, historic, American life-improving legislation and programs as happened with FDR, LBJ, Clinton and Obama due to the effective demonization of those soon-to-be revered Great American Attributes by America-hating Repubs and their typically supportive pundits in Mainstream Media.

Add to that the extreme gerrymandering by Repubs to create new districts out of the likely Dem new arrivals that miraculously remained predominantly white Repub along with the new rules and laws being passed by Repub state legislatures to grant their loony QAnon overlords the power to throw out all the big city ballots and not count them at all if the outcome of the count does not please them.

So if Repubs never mentioned trendy and temporary sucker culture war issues like "critical race theory" "transgender restrooms" "open borders" "defund the police" blah blah blah at all and if Trump just burrowed into the piss soaked earth outside his Mar-a-Lago bedroom window and kept his pie hole shut until after the first week of November, the Dems would probably lose a significant number of House and Senate seats to fit the pattern and the Repub election rigging. Then the congressional Repubs can start getting used to Biden vetoes of every typically astonishingly stupid thing they try to do to fuck up the extraordinarily strong and healthy economy Biden and the Dems have already locked in for a while.

The same as Clinton and Obama had to do in their last 6 years in office.

But that brings us to the unprecedented Wild Card that throws all the decades long pattern and Repub election rigging results mentioned above into doubt; Trump won't keep his pie hole shut. In their astonishing stupidity, Repubs have coronated Trump as the King of Repub "King Makers". Yes, the one guy who lost the vote by millions in his only two elections, managed to lose the Presidency, the House and the Senate to the opposing Party in just 4 years, the first time that has happened since Herbert Hoover almost 100 years ago, lost virtually every notable special election since he became so-called potus except the one governorship of Virginia election that no one has won for a second term in the same party since the beginning of the country. And whose Gallup Presidential Job Approval numbers were understandably the lowest ever recorded in the long history of the Gallup Polling Service.

And it is that last mentioned and only notable special election loss by the Dems since Trump slithered into the White House 5 years ago and directed all their campaigns and chose all their candidates ever since that Repubs are holding onto with a death grip as a sure sign that they will be hanging ten on the bow of the Trump Titanic next November on a big red wave. LOL. OK. Maybe.

PVMonger
01-16-22, 15:14
Since you don't live in USA and only watch fake news and totally can't comprehend how incompetent Biden is we will just disregard your posts. If we want to get wrong information we will just watch CNN for 15 minutes. CNN and you are so fixated on Trump you just can't leave his name out of it. CNN mentioned Trump 3 times more than they mentioned inflation last month. Just like CNN you are jealous of the fact that Trump did so well and Biden is so bad. Biden ratings are in the tank. He is a disaster for America. It doesn't matter what other presidents in history have done. We are in trouble. You can live in a third world country and ignore the facts but quit posting your nonsense.Since he doesn't live in the USA, you have no way of knowing where he gets his news.

I find it interesting that wingers accuse non-wingers of watching "fake news" when the real "fake news" (FUX, OANN, InfoWars, etc) aren't even news shows. They are opinion shows. So, essentially, wingers think that real news is "fake" and some moron's opinion is "real" news.

And a judge confirmed it in a ruling that said (and I paraphrase) "Nobody in their right mind would think that anything that Tucker Carlson said was true. " And yet wingers believe Carlson and disbelieve everything else. Unless, of course, the "everything else" comes from Cheeto McBonespurs or one of his merry-moron-minions.

PVMonger
01-16-22, 17:45
Posting the truth never bothers me. Biden has done more in 1 year to be impeached than Trump ever did.The Repugs will try to impeach Biden because he didn't do anything to force wingers to get vaccinated. They will try to impeach him for upholding a withdrawal from Afghanistan that the one-term, twice-impeached former guy orchestrated.

Pure comedy.

Cali Guy
01-16-22, 18:36
Since he doesn't live in the USA, you have no way of knowing where he gets his news.

I find it interesting that wingers accuse non-wingers of watching "fake news" when the real "fake news" (FUX, OANN, InfoWars, etc) aren't even news shows. They are opinion shows. So, essentially, wingers think that real news is "fake" and some moron's opinion is "real" news.

And a judge confirmed it in a ruling that said (and I paraphrase) "Nobody in their right mind would think that anything that Tucker Carlson said was true. " And yet wingers believe Carlson and disbelieve everything else. Unless, of course, the "everything else" comes from Cheeto McBonespurs or one of his merry-moron-minions.Everyone on this forum can figure out from his posts that all the news he gets is from CNN or other fake news sites.

EihTooms
01-16-22, 22:10
Here are a couple of many reasons.

1. Leaving Americans stranded in Afghanistan and arming the Taliban in Afghanistan.

2. Not securing our borders allowing illegals, criminals, drugs and terrorists to pour into our country.

Biden is destroying our country. He has to be stopped.No no, he was asking about a supposed Impeachment of Biden, not a third and fourth post-presidential Impeachment of Trump:

President Trump's Disgraceful Peace Deal with the Taliban

https://time.com/5794643/trumps-disgraceful-peace-deal-taliban/?amp=true

Trump's deal with the Taliban set the stage for the Afghan collapse

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/568154-trumps-deal-with-the-taliban-set-the-stage-for-the-afghan-collapse?amp

Why border crossings are at an 11-year high, explained in 500 words.
March 6, 2019

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2019/3/6/18253444/border-statistics-illegal-immigration-trump

February had highest total of undocumented immigrants crossing U.S. border in 12 years.
It is also the highest single month total since Trump was elected in November 2016.
March 5, 2019

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna979546

ScatManDoo
01-16-22, 22:58
The Repugs will try to impeach Biden because he didn't do anything to force wingers to get vaccinated. Wy impeach over that?

It was just good public service.

PVMonger
01-16-22, 23:25
Wy impeach over that?

It was just good public service.Rethugs will try to impeach Biden over anything. But their base expects it so they'll just be idiots and do it.

Canada
01-17-22, 00:05
No no, he was asking about a supposed Impeachment of Biden, not a third and fourth post-presidential Impeachment of Trump:

President Trump's Disgraceful Peace Deal with the Taliban

https://time.com/5794643/trumps-disgraceful-peace-deal-taliban/?amp=true

Trump's deal with the Taliban set the stage for the Afghan collapse

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/568154-trumps-deal-with-the-taliban-set-the-stage-for-the-afghan-collapse?amp

Why border crossings are at an 11-year high, explained in 500 words.
March 6, 2019

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2019/3/6/18253444/border-statistics-illegal-immigration-trump

February had highest total of undocumented immigrants crossing U.S. border in 12 years.
It is also the highest single month total since Trump was elected in November 2016.
March 5, 2019

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna979546Why do you keep mentioning Trump. Are you fixated on his success? Ignoring Biden incompetence doesn't make it go away. Your fake news on Trump doesn't change the fact that we have the worst president ever. No fake news posting can make that go away. You have nothing ever to add about politics in 2022 as you still want to talk about presidents of the past. American politics is right now. We have a mess and it can't be corrected until November. Thank god we still have some good democrats in the senate that realize Biden policies will fail and hurt working Americans more. I know you can say one good policy Biden has put in to create jobs and to curb inflation but you sound like a broken record from the past.

Xpartan
01-17-22, 00:05
Posting the truth never bothers me.And once again I believe you. You never bother posting the truth, LOL.


No no, he was asking about a supposed Impeachment of Biden, not a third and fourth post-presidential Impeachment of Trump:

President Trump's Disgraceful Peace Deal with the Taliban

https://time.com/5794643/trumps-disgraceful-peace-deal-taliban/?amp=true

Trump's deal with the Taliban set the stage for the Afghan collapse

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/568154-trumps-deal-with-the-taliban-set-the-stage-for-the-afghan-collapse?amp

Why border crossings are at an 11-year high, explained in 500 words.
March 6, 2019

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2019/3/6/18253444/border-statistics-illegal-immigration-trump

February had highest total of undocumented immigrants crossing U.S. border in 12 years.
It is also the highest single month total since Trump was elected in November 2016.
March 5, 2019

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna979546Poor Canada! There are people who simply can't help themselves. Like that clueless Florida woman who didn't believe she was manipulated by the Russians.

https://www.facebook.com/cnn/videos/florida-woman-who-was-used-by-russia-doesnt-believe-it/10158020099831509/

Or perhaps pretended not to believe.

We Found the One Group of Americans Who Are Most Likely to Spread Fake News


In newly published research, we found that its not conservatives in general who tend to promote false information, but rather a smaller subset of them who also share two psychological traits: low levels of conscientiousness and an appetite for chaos. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/01/14/we-found-the-one-group-of-americans-who-are-most-likely-to-spread-fake-news-526973

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2021-96824-001

EihTooms
01-17-22, 03:19
And once again I believe you. You never bother posting the truth, LOL.

Poor Canada! There are people who simply can't help themselves. Like that clueless Florida woman who didn't believe she was manipulated by the Russians.

https://www.facebook.com/cnn/videos/florida-woman-who-was-used-by-russia-doesnt-believe-it/10158020099831509/

Or perhaps pretended not to believe.

We Found the One Group of Americans Who Are Most Likely to Spread Fake News

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/01/14/we-found-the-one-group-of-americans-who-are-most-likely-to-spread-fake-news-526973

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2021-96824-001I wonder if he is more stumped over the fact that none of our links of substantiation here is CNN or more over the fact that we knew about those real news events even if we weren't present in the exact location they occurred to witness them first hand?

Canada
01-17-22, 03:37
Rethugs will try to impeach Biden over anything. But their base expects it so they'll just be idiots and do it.If there ever was a president and VP that should be impeached it is the current administration. It would be an easy one as they are both totally incompetent and they showed it every day for the last year.

Canada
01-17-22, 03:40
Why do you keep mentioning Trump. Are you fixated on his success? Ignoring Biden incompetence doesn't make it go away. Your fake news on Trump doesn't change the fact that we have the worst president ever. No fake news posting can make that go away. You have nothing ever to add about politics in 2022 as you still want to talk about presidents of the past. American politics is right now. We have a mess and it can't be corrected until November. Thank god we still have some good democrats in the senate that realize Biden policies will fail and hurt working Americans more. I know you can say one good policy Biden has put in to create jobs and to curb inflation but you sound like a broken record from the past.Quoting fake news is like lipstick on a pig. It is still a pig and it is still fake. Why do you think the ratings are so bad on these networks? It is because their lies don't make Americans lives better.

ScatManDoo
01-17-22, 03:48
Quoting fake news is like lipstick on a pig. It is still a pig and it is still fake. Why do you think the ratings are so bad on these networks? It is because their lies don't make Americans lives better.The network news on NBC, CBS and ABC all have much larger ratings than Fox News.

Cali Guy
01-17-22, 03:50
Quoting fake news is like lipstick on a pig. It is still a pig and it is still fake. Why do you think the ratings are so bad on these networks? It is because their lies don't make Americans lives better.So true. Some of these socialists are following in CNN and MSNBC footsteps. For 2 years they preached over and over, day after day about Russian collusion and Trump. Their ratings were high but Americans woke up. There was no Russian collusion and they lied for 2 years just like these socialists on this site. The repeat the same lies over and over about Trump. But no one is listening to their lies. Their ratings are in the tank and the socialists here have no credibility either. The socialists are still going back to the fake news from years past that has been proven fake news.

PVMonger
01-17-22, 04:50
Quoting fake news is like lipstick on a pig. It is still a pig and it is still fake. Why do you think the ratings are so bad on these networks? It is because their lies don't make Americans lives better.It says a lot that wingers believe that T (F) ucker "Nobody in their right mind should believe anything he says" Carlson in a source of real news. FUX "News", OANN and the rest of the winger propaganda outlets do not make America better.

The term "fake news" isn't new and anybody with an education knows that. People with an education know that the term originated 80+ years ago. People with an education know that the term originated in Germany. People with an education know that the term was used by the fascist dictator of Germany.

People with an education know that the term was also used by the fascist wannabe dictator of the USA, the one-term, twice-impeached former guy. People with an education know that the term is also used by fascists in the USA.

EihTooms
01-17-22, 06:13
Why do you keep mentioning Trump. Are you fixated on his success? Ignoring Biden incompetence doesn't make it go away. Your fake news on Trump doesn't change the fact that we have the worst president ever. No fake news posting can make that go away. You have nothing ever to add about politics in 2022 as you still want to talk about presidents of the past. American politics is right now. We have a mess and it can't be corrected until November. Thank god we still have some good democrats in the senate that realize Biden policies will fail and hurt working Americans more. I know you can say one good policy Biden has put in to create jobs and to curb inflation but you sound like a broken record from the past.I would love to stop mentioning Trump but he won't simply apologize for the colossal mess he made of everything and quietly go away.

Instead, all but 1-2 Repubs slavishly obey his every command and he is still their model for historic economic and national security disaster they all want to emulate and repeat over and over again.

Ignoring Trump is as dangerous for patriotic Americans to do as Trump ignoring the warnings from every expert not to do something so stupid and dangerous as defund the CDC and remove all of our Pandemic Prevention and Response teams from those Chinese labs in 2018 and his spending all of 2020 lying about the risks and dangers of his virus, claiming it was a hoax and demanding everyone on the planet not bother to invent a vaccine for it or bother taking one because it will "go away without a vaccine."

Patriotic Americans wishing the country well and not wishing it to be destroyed would never consider ignoring the danger of those things or of Trump and Trumpism.

MarquisdeSade1
01-17-22, 07:07
Doesn't it bother you at all that every single word coming out of your mouth is a falsehood?

1. The first impeachment was not about Russian collusion. It was about Trump pressuring a foreign president (Ukraine) to dig out dirt on his (Trump's) political opponent.

2. The second impeachment was not about Russian collusion, either. It was about Trump unleashing his rabid stormtroopers on the Nation's Capitol to prevent peaceful transfer of power.

3. Your so called "legitimate" reasons to impeach Biden is a huge laugh. A ridiculous sour-loser threat that will never materialize simply because there is nothing there.

And a vague one, too, as it's always the case with all your ramblings.

What's really astonishing to me is that Trump is yet to be criminally charged with the incitement of rioting. He's thousands times more guilty than any of those 700 lunatics who have been charged already. Impeachment is clearly not enough for the crime of this magnitude.https://www.newsmax.com/politics/jan-6-storming-the-capitol-select-committee-investigation/2022/01/15/id/1052582/

Xpartan
01-17-22, 07:34
Quoting fake news is like lipstick on a pig. It is still a pig and it is still fake. Agreed again! You seem to be on the roll, lately.

Just a quick question: why do you keep putting this ugly lipstick on your ugly pig? Just like you said: no matter what you do it's still a pig and it's still fake. And so is the lipstick.


Why do you think the ratings are so bad on these networks?Because people are tired and want to watch sports. MSNBC is down 28%, Fox - 34%, CNN - 38%. Don't know about your favorite shit shows like OAN and NewsMax. No one's watching them anyway.

Elvis 2008
01-17-22, 10:06
If there ever was a president and VP that should be impeached it is the current administration. It would be an easy one as they are both totally incompetent and they showed it every day for the last year.No doubt, Canada. You could make the case Biden should be impeached just based on his mental deficiency. The problem if you do it is that you have President Kamala Harris, and that is way scarier than a President Biden. LOL.

What is happening now is Biden is going to have to make a flip. He was elected because he was a moderate and he needs to quit acting like a leftist. Hell, Stacy Abrams would not meet with him in Georgia for his voter's rights speech and Mitch McConnell called him out but in a pretty nice way. He was almost saying to Biden, "I know the words in that horrible speech weren't yours. I know you better than that."

Bill Clinton turned the corner and went to a more moderate position. The question is Biden going to do that or stay as lost as Carter was. I just do not see it. Biden is a liar, a finger pointer, and cannot admit when he screws up. I see another Carter, but Carter was a nice guy, and Biden is not.

I have a lot of respect for Clinton. He was the rare politician who could admit when he screwed up. I remember after 9-11 Clinton saying, "I wish I had gone after Bin Laden harder." I had so much respect for him saying that.

Canada
01-17-22, 16:48
Agreed again! You seem to be on the roll, lately.

Just a quick question: why do you keep putting this ugly lipstick on your ugly pig? Just like you said: no matter what you do it's still a pig and it's still fake. And so is the lipstick.

Because people are tired and want to watch sports. MSNBC is down 28%, Fox - 34%, CNN - 38%. Don't know about your favorite shit shows like OAN and NewsMax. No one's watching them anyway.Please provide proof your make believe numbers or admit you just fabricated those numbers.

PVMonger
01-17-22, 17:43
So true. Some of these socialists are following in CNN and MSNBC footsteps. For 2 years they preached over and over, day after day about Russian collusion and Trump. Their ratings were high but Americans woke up. There was no Russian collusion and they lied for 2 years just like these socialists on this site. The repeat the same lies over and over about Trump. But no one is listening to their lies. Their ratings are in the tank and the socialists here have no credibility either. The socialists are still going back to the fake news from years past that has been proven fake news.Let's go thru your nonsense point-by-point.

1. You have no clue what a "socialist" is. To you, anybody more liberal than thinking that slavery or the Holocaust were great ideas is a socialist (or communist or Marxist or whatever else the former guy told you to label them). In fact, very few wingers can actually describe what socialists are without resorting to an encyclopedia (which they don't believe anyway because encyclopedias written by experts are fake news).

2. Mueller did not investigate collusion since collusion isn't a legal term. He investigated criminal conspiracy which is a legal term and much more difficult to prove. There was, however, collusion. https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/548794-there-was-trump-russia-collusion-and-trump-pardoned-the-colluder.

2 a. You forgot to mention obstruction of justice. Mueller did find that because what he said in his report was "the Special Counsel states that 'while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him. '

3. Yes, we repeat the same things about Trump over-and-over. Trump said that an injection of disinfectant cured COVID. Trump said that windmills cause cancer. Trump said that the American army took over airports during the Revolutionary War. Trump said that he won the 2020 election in a landslide. There are thousands more. All you need to do is tell me if you'd like me to post them. But it won't make any difference to wingers because they'll say it is all "fake news".

4. The only people who care about "ratings" are wingers. The rest of us don't care how many morons watch FUX "News" or Tucker "Nobody in their right mind would believe anything I say" Carlson. The only people who believe Carlson are wingers. Read the prior phrase in quotation marks to understand why.

5. All wingers do is say "fake news" all the time. Everybody knows that they're just howling at the moon.

PVMonger
01-17-22, 20:25
Please provide proof your make believe numbers or admit you just fabricated those numbers.https://deadline.com/2021/12/cable-news-ratings-2021-fox-cnn-1234899789/

Take a look at the very first chart and you'll see that the numbers he posted are accurate. But in reality, nobody but wingers give a hoot about how many morons watch cable TV. Well, OK, the one-term, twice-impeached former guy cares but nobody but wingers give a hoot about him either.

I'd issue a challenge to you, but you'll just say "The numbers are fake news", or "I was talking about different numbers" or some other winger nonsense.

Maybe one day you will admit that everything you post is fabricated but I won't hold my breath.

Joker143
01-17-22, 20:59
The whole world knows the ratings are down. These liberal channels have lost significant amount of advertisers and viewers. It's a google away sir!

Red states are seeing more number of migrations from blue states. Wonder why? Political scenarios at the moment under Biden is just very bad. My family voted for Biden but never again will. This country is ruined in just one year. We don't USA to be like Canada or Australia. Those are the extreme senseless liberals. I want US to be sensible liberals. There is a huge difference.


Please provide proof your make believe numbers or admit you just fabricated those numbers.

Xpartan
01-18-22, 00:24
Please provide proof your make believe numbers or admit you just fabricated those numbers.LOL, PVMonger already quoted you the source, so I won't duplicate, but in the future please be careful demanding "proof" from me. I don't deal in bullshit, I don't spread misinformation, and I don't post any stats that I wouldn't be able to back up.

Canada
01-18-22, 02:19
https://deadline.com/2021/12/cable-news-ratings-2021-fox-cnn-1234899789/

Take a look at the very first chart and you'll see that the numbers he posted are accurate. But in reality, nobody but wingers give a hoot about how many morons watch cable TV. Well, OK, the one-term, twice-impeached former guy cares but nobody but wingers give a hoot about him either.

I'd issue a challenge to you, but you'll just say "The numbers are fake news", or "I was talking about different numbers" or some other winger nonsense.

Maybe one day you will admit that everything you post is fabricated but I won't hold my breath.I knew you would try to back up your claim with a liberal news / fake news posting.

Canada
01-18-22, 02:32
Let's go thru your nonsense point-by-point.

1. You have no clue what a "socialist" is. To you, anybody more liberal than thinking that slavery or the Holocaust were great ideas is a socialist (or communist or Marxist or whatever else the former guy told you to label them). In fact, very few wingers can actually describe what socialists are without resorting to an encyclopedia (which they don't believe anyway because encyclopedias written by experts are fake news).

2. Mueller did not investigate collusion since collusion isn't a legal term. He investigated criminal conspiracy which is a legal term and much more difficult to prove. There was, however, collusion. https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/548794-there-was-trump-russia-collusion-and-trump-pardoned-the-colluder.

2 a. You forgot to mention obstruction of justice. Mueller did find that because what he said in his report was "the Special Counsel states that 'while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him. 1. A socialist is someone like you or Xpartan who posts the nonsense and lies. For a clearer picture of a socialist just look in the mirror.

2. Mueller investigation for 2 years proved there was o collusion. In USA everyone is presumed innocent until they are charged with a crime. No charges equals innocent.

3. Continuing to focus on Trump and not addressing the current president incompetence shows who you are. Trying to deflect attention from Biden to a president from a year ago is just plain foolish. Shows that you care nothing for the USA.

4. Everyone cares about ratings. Especially the news outlets and the advertiser's. That is what pays the bills. There is a reason for the ratings. Americans are sick and tired of the fake liberal news especially CNN.

5. Left wingers too?

The only nonsense these days is from the radical left and the racist democrats. The hatred of America but the left is sickening.

Axel Heyst
01-18-22, 03:06
Red states are seeing more number of migrations from blue states. Wonder why? Political scenarios at the moment under Biden is just very bad. My family voted for Biden but never again will. This country is ruined in just one year. According to United Van Lines, the moving company, based on their 2021 data the 5 states where the most people are fleeing are 1. New Jersey, 2. Illinois, 3. New York, 4. Connecticut, 5. California.

Now what do all of these states have in common? They are all run by progressives (Wokes, Democaratic Party, American Marxists). All 5. And as a result all these states suffer high taxes, high violent crime, poor education, and excessive government mandates. And their citizens want out. They don't want to live here anymore. And it's hundreds of thousands of people, we're not talking about 30 or 40 people, we're talking hundreds of thousands. Illinois is a disaster, so is California and as a result all 3 states are losing their tax base as affluent citizens and successful business leave and violent crime and taxes rise. People are just not going to put up with this BS anymore.

Interestingly the 5 winners, the states where people are moving to according to United Van Lines are 1. Vermont, a liberal state, but very libertarian (it is a strong 2nd amendment state with a very low cost of living, and taxes are are not crazy.), 2. South Dakota (Conservative), 3. South Carolina (Conservative), 4. West Virginia (Conservative), 5. Florida (Conservative & mandate free). I live in the free state of Florida. It's great! IMHO it is the best state in the USA. The economy is booming and there is no state tax and it never had Covid mandates.

Axel Heyst
01-18-22, 03:26
Let's go thru your nonsense point-by-point.

1. You have no clue what a "socialist" is. To you, anybody more liberal than thinking that slavery or the Holocaust were great ideas is a socialist (or communist or Marxist or whatever else the former guy told you to label them). In fact, very few wingers can actually describe what socialists are without resorting to an encyclopedia (which they don't believe anyway because encyclopedias written by experts are fake news).
"If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands." Douglas Adams.

You imply that the Democratic Party is not socialist / Marxist. Ha! What a joke. OK. Call it what you want. Woke, progressive, equitable, but your party does not support freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of assembly or free elections, so I call it American Marxist or totalitarian. It is certainly not a liberal and you are most definitely not a liberal! You have no clue what a "liberal" is.

Cali Guy
01-18-22, 04:10
The whole world knows the ratings are down. These liberal channels have lost significant amount of advertisers and viewers. It's a google away sir!

Red states are seeing more number of migrations from blue states. Wonder why? Political scenarios at the moment under Biden is just very bad. My family voted for Biden but never again will. This country is ruined in just one year. We don't USA to be like Canada or Australia. Those are the extreme senseless liberals. I want US to be sensible liberals. There is a huge difference.So true. It seems like the democrats on this forum understand how bad Biden is for the country but the socialists and far left on this forum just ignore it and talk about the past.

PVMonger
01-18-22, 04:38
The whole world knows the ratings are down. These liberal channels have lost significant amount of advertisers and viewers. It's a google away sir!

Red states are seeing more number of migrations from blue states. Wonder why? Political scenarios at the moment under Biden is just very bad. My family voted for Biden but never again will. This country is ruined in just one year. We don't USA to be like Canada or Australia. Those are the extreme senseless liberals. I want US to be sensible liberals. There is a huge difference.There are two (2) reasons for the internal migration.

One is that xenophobic uneducated wingers are moving from states with high populations of immigrants to low education states like Florida and Texas where they'll fit in better with their fellow deplorables.

The second reason is taxes. Wingers would rather move to a low tax state so that they can get freebies from the federal gummint. 'Cause that's what wingers do. They talk a good game but states with the largest influx of federal dollars are red.

But, if the wingers get their way and we have a national divorce, blue states can lower their tax base because they don't have to give back to the red states. We can then build a wall around the red states and let them rot.

EihTooms
01-18-22, 04:52
Is it because Repubs are too stupid and incompetent to produce any other results or is it because producing economic disasters is their only Party mission? Not that it matters which it is. I'm just curious to know if any wingers here can shed light on that age old question.

Repubs wouldn't have to lie, cheat, steal, rig and riot violently against free and fair elections in order to "win" them if they would simply stop producing Great Repub Crashes that destroy retirements, lose Trillions of taxpayers' dollars and wipe out millions of USA jobs every time they slither into office and get their way.

Merely matching the positive economic and job creating results of any Dem since the Repub Party was formed in 1858 would be a good start. Maybe expecting them to outperform one is asking too much.

And, who knows, someday they might not have to resort to blatant election fraud like this to legitimately win the majority of votes of the American people:

Fake Election Certificates In NM and Other States Shed Light On Plot to Overturn Biden Victory

https://abq.news/2022/01/fake-election-certificates-in-nm-and-other-states-shed-light-on-plot-to-overturn-biden-victory/

EihTooms
01-18-22, 13:02
According to United Van Lines, the moving company, based on their 2021 data the 5 states where the most people are fleeing are 1. New Jersey, 2. Illinois, 3. New York, 4. Connecticut, 5. California.

Now what do all of these states have in common? They are all run by progressives (Wokes, Democaratic Party, American Marxists). All 5. And as a result all these states suffer high taxes, high violent crime, poor education, and excessive government mandates. And their citizens want out. They don't want to live here anymore. And it's hundreds of thousands of people, we're not talking about 30 or 40 people, we're talking hundreds of thousands. Illinois is a disaster, so is California and as a result all 3 states are losing their tax base as affluent citizens and successful business leave and violent crime and taxes rise. People are just not going to put up with this BS anymore.

Interestingly the 5 winners, the states where people are moving to according to United Van Lines are 1. Vermont, a liberal state, but very libertarian (it is a strong 2nd amendment state with a very low cost of living, and taxes are are not crazy.), 2. South Dakota (Conservative), 3. South Carolina (Conservative), 4. West Virginia (Conservative), 5. Florida (Conservative & mandate free). I live in the free state of Florida. It's great! IMHO it is the best state in the USA. The economy is booming and there is no state tax and it never had Covid mandates.What those states have in common is they have among the highest incomes and best returns on real estate investment in America. Maybe those people took their lifelong income advantages and investment gains, converted their residents into rental property and bought some cheap home in a depressed red state for cash or leased at ridiculously low rent rates.

That is similar to what I did at retirement from California. But I chose a place to live in retirement that provides a hell of a lot more fun, pleasure and comfort advantages than any red state you've got.

BTW, assuming your totally unsubstantiated assertion is true, how did United Van Lines know how many people were moving each time a van was booked?

I mean, if only the loony uncle who cracks everyone up at Thanksgiving dinner with his idiotic FUX News Channel fake news rantings was the one moving while 10 other members of the extended family stayed put, that pretty much destroys your entire totally unsubstantiated premise and point.

EihTooms
01-18-22, 13:08
"If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands." Douglas Adams.

You imply that the Democratic Party is not socialist / Marxist. Ha! What a joke. OK. Call it what you want. Woke, progressive, equitable, but your party does not support freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of assembly or free elections, so I call it American Marxist or totalitarian. It is certainly not a liberal and you are most definitely not a liberal! You have no clue what a "liberal" is.Yeah, ask any Repub elected official what getting canceled feels like after they dare to tell the truth about Biden defeating Trump fair and square in a landslide in 2020.

PVMonger
01-18-22, 14:50
I knew you would try to back up your claim with a liberal news / fake news posting.I knew that you would say "fake news". It is virtually all you do. The numbers are correct and you are wrong. Again.

Axel Heyst
01-18-22, 14:52
There are two (2) reasons for the internal migration.

One is that xenophobic uneducated wingers are moving from states with high populations of immigrants to low education states like Florida and Texas where they'll fit in better with their fellow deplorables.

The second reason is taxes. Wingers would rather move to a low tax state so that they can get freebies from the federal gummint. 'Cause that's what wingers do. They talk a good game but states with the largest influx of federal dollars are red.The Washington Post reported January 14 on the southern migration, which is now reversing the historic "Great Migration" of black Americans from the South to northern cities during the 1900's:

"For the second census in a row, Chicago and its suburbs lost Black population, and has decreased by 130,000 since 1990. In Michigan, both the Detroit and Flint metropolitan areas lost Black population in absolute terms. Metro New York recorded its second consecutive loss in Black population, losing about 110,000 Black residents since 2000. In California, metro Los Angeles has lost 160,000 Black residents since 1990, while metro San Francisco has lost 90,000."

All people seek a better life for themselves and their families which includes safe neighborhoods, good education for their children, better jobs, lower cost of living, and yes, less taxes and an end to incompetent & corrupt ideological left wing government. That is the reason for the mass migration away from Democratic One Party States and Cities. You ain't seen nothing yet.

PVMonger
01-18-22, 15:09
"If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands." Douglas Adams.

You imply that the Democratic Party is not socialist / Marxist. Ha! What a joke. OK. Call it what you want. Woke, progressive, equitable, but your party does not support freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of assembly or free elections, so I call it American Marxist or totalitarian. It is certainly not a liberal and you are most definitely not a liberal! You have no clue what a "liberal" is."Woke". The favorite fascist label. It means "Here is somebody who is educated and can think for themselves. I hate them because I am uneducated and I know that Tucker "Nobody in their right mind can believe anything I say" Carlson is right all the time".

According to you, Democrats don't support "freedom of speech" yet Repugs continually muzzle people who don't tow the party line (see Cheney, Liz).

According to you, Democrats don't support "freedom of thought" yet Repugs continually muzzle people who don't tow the party line (see Cheney, Liz).

According to you, Democrats don't support "freedom of assembly" because Democrats believe that the January 6th riot was a riot.

According to you, Democrats don't support "free elections" yet there will be close to zero Repub Senators who vote for the Voting Rights Act.

Who / what the fascists Repubs are afraid of:

Abortion Laws.

Affirmative Action.

ANTIFA.

Athiests.

Black Lives Matter.

Black people.

Books.

Brown people.

College.

Education.

Environmentalists.

Equality.

Evidence.

Feelings.

Foreigners.

Gays.

Gay Marriage.

Gun Control.

Health Standards.

Journalists.

Masks.

Non-Christians.

Peace.

Progressives.

Red people.

Science.

Vaccines.

Women.

Yellow people.

PVMonger
01-18-22, 15:24
1. A socialist is someone like you or Xpartan who posts the nonsense and lies. For a clearer picture of a socialist just look in the mirror.

2. Mueller investigation for 2 years proved there was o collusion. In USA everyone is presumed innocent until they are charged with a crime. No charges equals innocent.

3. Continuing to focus on Trump and not addressing the current president incompetence shows who you are. Trying to deflect attention from Biden to a president from a year ago is just plain foolish. Shows that you care nothing for the USA.

4. Everyone cares about ratings. Especially the news outlets and the advertiser's. That is what pays the bills. There is a reason for the ratings. Americans are sick and tired of the fake liberal news especially CNN.

5. Left wingers too?

The only nonsense these days is from the radical left and the racist democrats. The hatred of America but the left is sickening.Once again, your post proves that you haven't a clue.

You and the rest of the winger crowd believe that the Holocaust and slavery were good ideas. That's why you call everybody more liberal than that a socialist. If you want a definition of fascist, look in the mirror.

I said that Mueller didn't investigate "collusion". What part of that don't you understand? And Mueller didn't charge the former guy with anything because he felt it was Congresses job to do that. I can't believe that Mueller produced a multi-volume report and that wingers still see nothing there and prefer to believe Bill Barr's interpretation. BTW, didn't Barr say that the former guy lost and that there was no election fraud? Oops.

The only people that don't care about the USA are the fascist wingers who want to "Make America White Again". That's why the fascistcwingers are against Voting Rights, etc.

Only wingers care about ratings and, frankly, only because the former guy cared about them. Nobody else cares how many morons watch Tucker "Nobody in their right mind should believe anything I say" Carlson or how many morons watch FUX "News" (The all lies, all the time opinion network).

Canada
01-18-22, 17:07
Is it because Repubs are too stupid and incompetent to produce any other results or is it because producing economic disasters is their only Party mission? Not that it matters which it is. I'm just curious to know if any wingers here can shed light on that age old question.

Repubs wouldn't have to lie, cheat, steal, rig and riot violently against free and fair elections in order to "win" them if they would simply stop producing Great Repub Crashes that destroy retirements, lose Trillions of taxpayers' dollars and wipe out millions of USA jobs every time they slither into office and get their way.

Merely matching the positive economic and job creating results of any Dem since the Repub Party was formed in 1858 would be a good start. Maybe expecting them to outperform one is asking too much.

And, who knows, someday they might not have to resort to blatant election fraud like this to legitimately win the majority of votes of the American people:

Fake Election Certificates In NM and Other States Shed Light On Plot to Overturn Biden Victory

https://abq.news/2022/01/fake-election-certificates-in-nm-and-other-states-shed-light-on-plot-to-overturn-biden-victory/Everything you said is true but you made a mistake. You were talking about the democrats and Biden. Are you still glowing about Biden and the stock market down 4% already this year? Biden inflation is affecting the market not just the poor. And Biden policies driving oil prices and oil stocks higher. Oil at $88 a barrel double what it was under Trump administration. America is waking up. They see the mess Biden got us into. Only the fools avoid talking about it. The fools still want to talk about the past because the future is looking grim.

PVMonger
01-18-22, 18:41
The Washington Post reported January 14 on the southern migration, which is now reversing the historic "Great Migration" of black Americans from the South to northern cities during the 1900's:

"For the second census in a row, Chicago and its suburbs lost Black population, and has decreased by 130,000 since 1990. In Michigan, both the Detroit and Flint metropolitan areas lost Black population in absolute terms. Metro New York recorded its second consecutive loss in Black population, losing about 110,000 Black residents since 2000. In California, metro Los Angeles has lost 160,000 Black residents since 1990, while metro San Francisco has lost 90,000."

All people seek a better life for themselves and their families which includes safe neighborhoods, good education for their children, better jobs, lower cost of living, and yes, less taxes and an end to incompetent & corrupt ideological left wing government. That is the reason for the mass migration away from Democratic One Party States and Cities. You ain't seen nothing yet.Here's what you said to "prove" that Black's are leaving "the North" for the "low crime rates" of the south: "All people seek a better life for themselves and their families which includes safe neighborhoods, good education for their children, better jobs, lower cost of living, and yes, less taxes and an end to incompetent & corrupt ideological left wing government. That is the reason for the mass migration away from Democratic One Party States and Cities. You ain't seen nothing yet."

Yes this unbiased article shows that your contention of "red states" being lower in crime is, as usual, pontification without evidence. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/crime-rate-by-state Look at all of the states in the South (virtually all of them run by Repubs) and tell me that they have low crime rates.

Good educations? Really? Look at the following education ranking and tell me that the South has quality schools. And quality schools for Blacks? https://www.insider.com/us-states-public-education-system-ranked-us-news-world-report-2019-4#47-Alaska-4.

Better jobs? Nope, not in the South. https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/average-income-by-state.

Please stop with the blather. People leave states for every reason under the sun. But Blacks don't go to the South for better paying jobs, better healthcare, better schools, less crime, etc.

Axel Heyst
01-18-22, 20:28
There is so much hyperbole and left wing exaggeration in your rant. You are the opposite of what an educated liberal is or once was. I asked before: do you have any idea what Liberalism stands for? The answer is, No you don't. The evidence is in all you posts on this forum. But unlike yourself, I have a life and therefore I do not have the time to go into every one of your ridiculous and unfounded accusations. I will just explain a few. Try to concentrate. And maybe take a Prozac before you read this.

1. "Woke". The favorite fascist label. It means "Here is somebody who is educated and can think for themselves. I hate them because I am uneducated and I know that Tucker "Nobody in their right mind can believe anything I say" Carlson is right all the time."

Where the fuck do find the BS to assume my education level? I most likely have far more education than you and I most likely received my education from better schools and universities than you as well. It also seems apparent that you watch Carlson a lot more than I. Why are so so fixated on this person? And why do you need to vilify people with whom you disagree politically by attempting to attach them to this person who may or may not deserve the vilification? This is an old Communist ploy.

2. "According to you, Democrats don't support "freedom of speech" yet Repugs continually muzzle people who don't tow the party line (see Cheney, Liz)."

That is right. Just go to any University of California class room or dorm and say something / anything that is not accepted party orthodoxy and see what happens. Or do the same at any California high tech company like for example Google. Say something like, "all lives matter" or "illegal aliens do not have the right to vote in American elections" and see what happens to that person's grade point average or career. That is Proof that there is no tolerance for free speech or free thought in American Universities or American Boardrooms. I just proved it. Why do you deny it?

3. "According to you, Democrats don't support "freedom of assembly" because Democrats believe that the January 6th riot was a riot."

Jan 6 was bad and the persons who committed crimes on Jan 6 should be tried in a court of law. I believe most conservatives will admit that. Tell me of one Democrat who publicly condemns the Antifa / BLM riots. Riots where 100's of people were killed and injured, and hundreds of millions of dollars of property was destroyed. Many Jan 6 rioters are still in jail, having been denied bail and are awaiting trial. How many Antifa / BLM rioters have been charged with anything or spent any time in jail? And what about Nancy Pelosie's role in the Jan 6 riots. Is the House of Representatives going to investigate her reported negligence? It was her job to request the National Guard to protect the Capital. Trump recommended that 1000 National Guard be stationed around the Capital on Jan 5. Why didn't Nancy request the guard?

4. "According to you, Democrats don't support "free elections" yet there will be close to zero Repub Senators who vote for the Voting Rights Act."

The Marxist "voting rights" act which you bring up and blindly support is not about free and open elections. There you ago again. Just because your leaders say it is a voting rights act does not make it a voting rights act. Read the fucker! It is about ending free and open elections and guaranteeing that the left wins every election from now on just like in the Soviet Union and Communist China. But you don't really want to discuss this act in detail. That would expose its real intent. You just shout out "voting rights act" and demand that everyone submit or be labeled a racist or some other epitaph. That is fascist.

5. So, "Who / what the fascists?" I have narrowed down your childish list for you:

ANTIFA. Totalitarians, anarchists, brown shirts, and Marxists like you.

Black Lives Matter. Absolutely, read their fucking charter. They admit they are a Marxist organization. Why don't you admit you are a Marxist or a totalitarian? That is what you are. Why pretend otherwise?

Progressives. Sadly yes. Most Progressives are just sheep not closely examining what the Democratic party has become, but the leaders of the movement are most definitely power hungry Marxist or cowards. The ones running the Biden White House are Marxist. That is obvious. Senator Sanders admits it. At least he is honest about it. Why can't you be honest about it too?

Canada
01-18-22, 20:34
I knew that you would say "fake news". It is virtually all you do. The numbers are correct and you are wrong. Again.Pretty easy to say when for the last 6 months all you have posted was fake news. Can't help it if you only go to liberal news sites for your information.

Canada
01-18-22, 20:44
"Woke". The favorite fascist label. It means "Here is somebody who is educated and can think for themselves. I hate them because I am uneducated and I know that Tucker "Nobody in their right mind can believe anything I say" Carlson is right all the time".

According to you, Democrats don't support "freedom of speech" yet Repugs continually muzzle people who don't tow the party line (see Cheney, Liz).

According to you, Democrats don't support "freedom of thought" yet Repugs continually muzzle people who don't tow the party line (see Cheney, Liz).

According to you, Democrats don't support "freedom of assembly" because Democrats believe that the January 6th riot was a riot..You are wrong again. Woke means socialists bullshit. Democrats support freedom of speech. Socialists don't. Democrats support free elections. Socialists don't. They want to try to work the system with no voter IDs and harvesting ballots. Socialists cheat and lie. You are proof of that.

Antifa and BLM are domestic terrorists. Democrats know that. Socialists glorify them.

Democrats voted Biden in because he was a moderate democrat. Now that he is catering to the socialists he is losing the support of the moderates. If you are moderate democrat you are against his policies that are bringing in record inflation. If you are a socialist you blame the republicans, Trump, Santa Claus and the tooth fairy. Your support of Biden disaster proves you are a socialist. No denying it.

Canada
01-18-22, 20:48
What those states have in common is they have among the highest incomes and best returns on real estate investment in America. Maybe those people took their lifelong income advantages and investment gains, converted their residents into rental property and bought some cheap home in a depressed red state for cash or leased at ridiculously low rent rates.

That is similar to what I did at retirement from California. But I chose a place to live in retirement that provides a hell of a lot more fun, pleasure and comfort advantages than any red state you've got.

BTW, assuming your totally unsubstantiated assertion is true, how did United Van Lines know how many people were moving each time a van was booked?

I mean, if only the loony uncle who cracks everyone up at Thanksgiving dinner with his idiotic FUX News Channel fake news rantings was the one moving while 10 other members of the extended family stayed put, that pretty much destroys your entire totally unsubstantiated premise and point.Socialists mentality. People are leaving these states because they pay the highest wages and get the best returns on real estate. They don't leave because of the high taxes, high crime rates and woke democrat leadership. Makes sense to me. LOL.

Cali Guy
01-18-22, 23:33
Further proof Biden has created zero jobs in a year. Only four states are back to employment levels pre pandemic when Trump was president. Biden needs 5 million more jobs created to get to Trump record employment numbers.

Texas has bounced back after two years of pandemic-related unemployment spikes and is currently outperforming its pre-COVID-19 levels of unemployment.

Arizona, Utah and Idaho are the only other three states to regain all the jobs lost to the pandemic, The Wall Street Journal noted Tuesday.

New York, on other hand, is lagging far behind the Lone Star State. New York State Budget Director told reporters on Tuesday that the state has recovered less than two-thirds of the jobs lost due to the pandemic. The economy is still 5 million jobs under the peak reached before the pandemic, according to Forbes.

Cali Guy
01-18-22, 23:34
The Washington Post reported January 14 on the southern migration, which is now reversing the historic "Great Migration" of black Americans from the South to northern cities during the 1900's:

"For the second census in a row, Chicago and its suburbs lost Black population, and has decreased by 130,000 since 1990. In Michigan, both the Detroit and Flint metropolitan areas lost Black population in absolute terms. Metro New York recorded its second consecutive loss in Black population, losing about 110,000 Black residents since 2000. In California, metro Los Angeles has lost 160,000 Black residents since 1990, while metro San Francisco has lost 90,000."

All people seek a better life for themselves and their families which includes safe neighborhoods, good education for their children, better jobs, lower cost of living, and yes, less taxes and an end to incompetent & corrupt ideological left wing government. That is the reason for the mass migration away from Democratic One Party States and Cities. You ain't seen nothing yet.Great to see more democrats on this forum standing up to the socialists lies and fabrications on this forum. Great post.

Xpartan
01-18-22, 23:39
1. A socialist is someone like you or Xpartan who posts the nonsense and lies. For a clearer picture of a socialist just look in the mirror. 1. Call anyone who doesn't agree with us a liar.

2. Call anyone who disagrees with us a socialist (communist, Marxist, etc).

3. When they provide the proof, call it "fake news".

4. Stay as vague as possible and deflect when challenged. Facts don't matter. Only faith matters.

5. It's not a lie when you believe in it.

Cali Guy
01-18-22, 23:39
There are two (2) reasons for the internal migration.

One is that xenophobic uneducated wingers are moving from states with high populations of immigrants to low education states like Florida and Texas where they'll fit in better with their fellow deplorables.

The second reason is taxes. Wingers would rather move to a low tax state so that they can get freebies from the federal gummint. 'Cause that's what wingers do. They talk a good game but states with the largest influx of federal dollars are red.

But, if the wingers get their way and we have a national divorce, blue states can lower their tax base because they don't have to give back to the red states. We can then build a wall around the red states and let them rot.Claiming that blacks and Hispanics are moving from California are deplorables because they want to get away from high taxes and crime. Racist and disgusting.

Cali Guy
01-18-22, 23:49
1. Call anyone who doesn't agree with us a liar.

2. Call anyone who disagrees with us a socialist (communist, Marxist, etc).

3. When they provide the proof, call it "fake news".

4. Stay as vague as possible and deflect when challenged. Facts don't matter. Only faith matters.

5. It's not a lie when you believe in it.I agree with Canada and I am a registered democrat. Democrats, independents and Republicans don't agree with the socialists, communists or whatever you call yourselves. Fake news, wokeness, racist and lies define the socialists on this site. Americans are tired of socialists like you. Americans know the pitfalls of socialism and what it has done to other countries. Stop hating America.

PVMonger
01-19-22, 00:22
1. Call anyone who doesn't agree with us a liar.

2. Call anyone who disagrees with us a socialist (communist, Marxist, etc).

3. When they provide the proof, call it "fake news".

4. Stay as vague as possible and deflect when challenged. Facts don't matter. Only faith matters.

5. It's not a lie when you believe in it.If one goes back 4 to 5 years and looks at every post from every rightwingnut who has posted on this board, at least one of these 5 items is used in their response.

They get these tactics from the one-term, twice-impeached former guy, who got it from the fascist dictator who ran Germany 80-some-odd years ago. So the tactics aren't new by any means. What is really scary is that the fascists who post here don't recognize the tactics. Anyone who went to school past grade school was taught that these things happened.

The one-term, twice-impeached former guy (and our current crop of fascist representatives and fascist posters) also use some other tactics common to what was used in Germany. 1. Always deny that you said it or did it, even though there is a video or audio record of you saying it or doing it. Keep denying until it is no longer newsworthy; 2. Move the goal posts when you get backed into a corner. This is especially important as it gives you time to dream up another lie; 3. Always attack; 4. Always belittle. Use derisive nicknames if possible because people with a low IQ will think it is funny, and, most importantly, 5. Keep repeating the lie until it becomes acceptable. It doesn't make any difference if it is a small lie or a whopper. In fact, the bigger the lie, the louder and longer you must yell. Eventually the sheep will believe anything.

Xpartan
01-19-22, 03:09
If one goes back 4 to 5 years and looks at every post from every rightwingnut who has posted on this board, at least one of these 5 items is used in their response.

They get these tactics from the one-term, twice-impeached former guy, who got it from the fascist dictator who ran Germany 80-some-odd years ago. So the tactics aren't new by any means. What is really scary is that the fascists who post here don't recognize the tactics. Anyone who went to school past grade school was taught that these things happened.

The one-term, twice-impeached former guy (and our current crop of fascist representatives and fascist posters) also use some other tactics common to what was used in Germany. 1. Always deny that you said it or did it, even though there is a video or audio record of you saying it or doing it. Keep denying until it is no longer newsworthy; 2. Move the goal posts when you get backed into a corner. This is especially important as it gives you time to dream up another lie; 3. Always attack; 4. Always belittle. Use derisive nicknames if possible because people with a low IQ will think it is funny, and, most importantly, 5. Keep repeating the lie until it becomes acceptable. It doesn't make any difference if it is a small lie or a whopper. In fact, the bigger the lie, the louder and longer you must yell. Eventually the sheep will believe anything.Yep! Anyone who wants the "proof" of Trump's lack of originality in his "fake news" shtick can simply google "Lügenpresse". The Nazis were extremely proficient in that technique, and even they were hardly the first.

And Trump's disciples parroting that ridiculous, discredited slogan every time they have a chance -- what an embarrassment!

Canada
01-19-22, 03:45
Yep! Anyone who wants the "proof" of Trump's lack of originality in his "fake news" shtick can simply google "Lgenpresse". The Nazis were extremely proficient in that technique, and even they were hardly the first.

And Trump's disciples parroting that ridiculous, discredited slogan every time they have a chance -- what an embarrassment!It is the year 2022 Biden is an incompetent president. Realists talk Biden. Socialists talk about Trump. Yes we all agree things would be better if Trump was president and you keep reminding us. You are in fantasyland and can't accept the reality of the Biden presidency. Ignoring it won't make Biden go away.

ScatManDoo
01-19-22, 04:01
Four new subpoenas went out today from the January 6th insurrection investigative committee.

Subpoenas were served today on Sidney Powell, Jenna Ellis, Boris Epshtevn and Rudolph Giuliani.

"the four individuals we've subpoenaed today advanced unsupported theories about election fraud, pushed efforts to overturn the election results, or were in direct contact with the former President about attempts to stop the counting of electoral votes. " - Chairman Bernie Thompson of Massachusetts.

EihTooms
01-19-22, 04:32
Everything you said is true but you made a mistake. You were talking about the democrats and Biden. Are you still glowing about Biden and the stock market down 4% already this year? Biden inflation is affecting the market not just the poor. And Biden policies driving oil prices and oil stocks higher. Oil at $88 a barrel double what it was under Trump administration. America is waking up. They see the mess Biden got us into. Only the fools avoid talking about it. The fools still want to talk about the past because the future is looking grim.Wow. Now you're beaten down to the "I know you are but what am I?" argument level.

There is no history of Dems producing and presiding over the half dozen or so major economic downturns of the past century, only Repubs. There is no history of Repubs producing and presiding over the half dozen or so major economic expansions of the past century, only Dems.

I think your response is the most convincing evidence yet that the wingers' political party preference is more about stupidity and incompetence rather than intention when it comes to the Repubs' consistent economic failures.

EihTooms
01-19-22, 04:50
Further proof Biden has created zero jobs in a year. Only four states are back to employment levels pre pandemic when Trump was president. Biden needs 5 million more jobs created to get to Trump record employment numbers.

Texas has bounced back after two years of pandemic-related unemployment spikes and is currently outperforming its pre-COVID-19 levels of unemployment.

Arizona, Utah and Idaho are the only other three states to regain all the jobs lost to the pandemic, The Wall Street Journal noted Tuesday.

New York, on other hand, is lagging far behind the Lone Star State. New York State Budget Director told reporters on Tuesday that the state has recovered less than two-thirds of the jobs lost due to the pandemic. The economy is still 5 million jobs under the peak reached before the pandemic, according to Forbes.I posted this link for the official source of Jobs Created vs Jobs Lost before to substantiate the Jobs Created under Biden but will post it again:

https://www.bls.gov/home.htm?view_full

The United States Bureau of Labor Statistics doesn't count "people who returned to work after calling in sick" as an added job.

All Great Repub Crashes that wipe out millions of jobs, as Trump's did, are counted as jobs lost. All Great Dem Recoveries and Expansions that recover and create jobs, as Biden's is doing at a historic pace and level, are counted as jobs gained.

EihTooms
01-19-22, 05:14
Socialists mentality. People are leaving these states because they pay the highest wages and get the best returns on real estate. They don't leave because of the high taxes, high crime rates and woke democrat leadership. Makes sense to me. LOL.No, many wouldn't leave for any of those reasons. The states that pay the highest wages, mostly blue states and cities are not coincidentally also the states and cities with the highest real estate costs and values.

Anyone whose mortgage was paid off on that high ticket real estate thanks to their higher incomes over decades are sitting on a relative gold mine at retirement. They could relocate to any pissant red state, buy outright for cash and play on the internet from now on if they want.

Oh, and thanks solely to Clinton and the Dems in Congress but zero thanks to even one Repub, a married filing jointly retired couple would pocket the first $500,000 in equity on the sale of their primary residence 100% tax free.

Yep, just another example of a truly meaningful, positive life-altering tax cut enacted by Dems and not Repubs whose only tax cuts are a joke by comparison. And a sick joke at that considering every time Repubs enact their disproportionately high tax cuts for the already wealthy it comes at the price of another Great Repub Crash, Plunging Property Values and Massive Jobs Destruction.

PVMonger
01-19-22, 05:18
I agree with Canada and I am a registered democrat. Democrats, independents and Republicans don't agree with the socialists, communists or whatever you call yourselves. Fake news, wokeness, racist and lies define the socialists on this site. Americans are tired of socialists like you. Americans know the pitfalls of socialism and what it has done to other countries. Stop hating America."Woke." The favorite fascist label. It means "Here is somebody who is educated and can think for themselves. I hate them because I am uneducated and I know that Tucker "Nobody in their right mind can believe anything I say" Carlson is right all the time."

The only people who hate America are supporters on the one-term, twice-impeached former guy. In other words, fascists.

PVMonger
01-19-22, 05:36
Further proof Biden has created zero jobs in a year. Only four states are back to employment levels pre pandemic when Trump was president. Biden needs 5 million more jobs created to get to Trump record employment numbers.

Texas has bounced back after two years of pandemic-related unemployment spikes and is currently outperforming its pre-COVID-19 levels of unemployment.

Arizona, Utah and Idaho are the only other three states to regain all the jobs lost to the pandemic, The Wall Street Journal noted Tuesday.

New York, on other hand, is lagging far behind the Lone Star State. New York State Budget Director told reporters on Tuesday that the state has recovered less than two-thirds of the jobs lost due to the pandemic. The economy is still 5 million jobs under the peak reached before the pandemic, according to Forbes.If Biden hasn't created any jobs (your words from above), then how are Texas, Arizona, Utah and Idaho back at full employment? Are you suggesting that everybody in those states who wasn't working during the pandemic magically went back to their old job? Because the Texas Tribune says that your contention is, as usual, horse hockey.

https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-unemployment/

Furthermore, your contention that only 4 states have recovered all of their jobs is, again, false. "Fourteen states have fully recovered jobs lost since the beginning of the pandemic and have jobs numbers higher than they did in February 2020. On average, the USA Is 3% below pre-pandemic employment levels, with Hawaii and Nevada still missing 9% of jobs.

Blue states grew jobs 37% faster than red states as of July 2021. When vaccines became widely available from April to July, blue states increased their jobs twice as quickly as red states. " https://www.moneygeek.com/coronavirus/states-most-jobs-lost-coronavirus/.

You cultists can't seem to help yourself. You lie when it is easier to tell the truth. Do you think that you can just spout BS that nobody else will check? You and the rest of the fascists might believe everything that Tucker "Nobody in their right mind would believe anything I say" Carlson says. But when you let somebody else do your thinking for you, you forget that there are other people who can actually think for themselves.

You wingers are truly pathetic.

PVMonger
01-19-22, 05:50
There is so much hyperbole and left wing exaggeration in your rant. You are the opposite of what an educated liberal is or once was. I asked before: do you have any idea what Liberalism stands for? The answer is, No you don't. The evidence is in all you posts on this forum. But unlike yourself, I have a life and therefore I do not have the time to go into every one of your ridiculous and unfounded accusations. I will just explain a few. Try to concentrate. And maybe take a Prozac before you read this.

1. "Woke". The favorite fascist label. It means "Here is somebody who is educated and can think for themselves. I hate them because I am uneducated and I know that Tucker "Nobody in their right mind can believe anything I say" Carlson is right all the time."

Where the fuck do find the BS to assume my education level? I most likely have far more education than you and I most likely received my education from better schools and universities than you as well. It also seems apparent that you watch Carlson a lot more than I. Why are so so fixated on this person? And why do you need to vilify people with whom you disagree politically by attempting to attach them to this person who may or may not deserve the vilification? This is an old Communist ploy.

2. "According to you, Democrats don't support "freedom of speech" yet Repugs continually muzzle people who don't tow the party line (see Cheney, Liz).1. Woke is exactly what I say it is. Just because you don't believe it, doesn't make it wrong.

2. Look up what the judge in Tucker Carlson's lawsuit said.

3. You are deflecting. Republicans don't support freedom of speech. See Cheney, Liz. And the fact that you brought up all lives matter shows that you are blind.

4. Republicans want to go back to when only white males could vote. You have no idea what voting rights are or what they mean. But sure, let's discuss the voting rights act anytime you want. Maybe you ought to read the act. The fact that you think that it guarantees that Democrats will always win shows that the former guy does your thinking for you because that's exactly what he said!

5. The fact that you edited my list proves you are a fascist. You hate America and any American who isn't white, straight, male or Christian.

MarquisdeSade1
01-19-22, 06:05
Yep! Anyone who wants the "proof" of Trump's lack of originality in his "fake news" shtick can simply google "Lgenpresse". The Nazis were extremely proficient in that technique, and even they were hardly the first.

And Trump's disciples parroting that ridiculous, discredited slogan every time they have a chance -- what an embarrassment!https://www.aol.com/news/why-biden-presidential-reset-may-202448526.html

Isn't this supposed to be a 3rd term for Barry Hussein?

Boy he picked a winner, his VP of 8 yrs.

He had the nomination handed to him in 2020.

All that for this? LOL.

How years has Joe been in Washington? 48?

I remember Trump saying during a debate in 2020.

He had done more in 47 mos than Biden did in 47 yrs.

PVMonger
01-19-22, 15:05
Claiming that blacks and Hispanics are moving from California are deplorables because they want to get away from high taxes and crime. Racist and disgusting.Here is the post I commented upon: "The whole world knows the ratings are down. These liberal channels have lost significant amount of advertisers and viewers. It's a google away sir!

Red states are seeing more number of migrations from blue states. Wonder why? Political scenarios at the moment under Biden is just very bad. My family voted for Biden but never again will. This country is ruined in just one year. We don't USA to be like Canada or Australia. Those are the extreme senseless liberals. I want US to be sensible liberals. There is a huge difference."

Here is my comment on the above post: "There are two (2) reasons for the internal migration.

One is that xenophobic uneducated wingers are moving from states with high populations of immigrants to low education states like Florida and Texas where they'll fit in better with their fellow deplorables.

The second reason is taxes. Wingers would rather move to a low tax state so that they can get freebies from the federal gummint. 'Cause that's what wingers do. They talk a good game but states with the largest influx of federal dollars are red.

But, if the wingers get their way and we have a national divorce, blue states can lower their tax base because they don't have to give back to the red states. We can then build a wall around the red states and let them rot."

Here is what you responded: "Claiming that blacks and Hispanics are moving from California are deplorables because they want to get away from high taxes and crime. Racist and disgusting."

What is readily apparent in your post is that you can not read for comprehension. Nowhere in my post did I mention Blacks. Nowhere in my post did I mention Hispanics. But, like a good little winger, you ignored what I said and made up something. That's what is disgusting. Just like the former guy. Just like FUX "News."

If you can't respond on point, why respond at all?

Cali Guy
01-19-22, 18:38
If Biden hasn't created any jobs (your words from above), then how are Texas, Arizona, Utah and Idaho back at full employment? Are you suggesting that everybody in those states who wasn't working during the pandemic magically went back to their old job? Because the Texas Tribune says that your contention is, as usual, horse hockey.

https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-unemployment/

Furthermore, your contention that only 4 states have recovered all of their jobs is, again, false. "Fourteen states have fully recovered jobs lost since the beginning of the pandemic and have jobs numbers higher than they did in February 2020. On average, the USA Is 3% below pre-pandemic employment levels, with Hawaii and Nevada still missing 9% of jobs.

Blue states grew jobs 37% faster than red states as of July 2021. When vaccines became widely available from April to July, blue states increased their jobs twice as quickly as red states. " https://www.moneygeek.com/coronavirus/states-most-jobs-lost-coronavirus/.

You cultists can't seem to help yourself. You lie when it is easier to tell the truth. Do you think that you can just spout BS that nobody else will check? You and the rest of the fascists might believe everything that Tucker "Nobody in their right mind would believe anything I say" Carlson says. But when you let somebody else do your thinking for you, you forget that there are other people who can actually think for themselves.I will try to explain this to you like I would to my grandchildren so that you can understand. Let's make it kindergarten simple. If there were 100 people working at their job before the pandemic and the business closed so none of them had a job. Then after pandemic the business reopened and the 100 people went back to work then no new jobs were created. It does not matter if the same people returned to the 100 jobs. The jobs were already there. Not rocket science.

PVMonger
01-19-22, 20:20
It is the year 2022 Biden is an incompetent president. Realists talk Biden. Socialists talk about Trump. Yes we all agree things would be better if Trump was president and you keep reminding us. You are in fantasyland and can't accept the reality of the Biden presidency. Ignoring it won't make Biden go away.The reason wingers continually harp on Biden is because you want to turn the spotlight away from January 6th. Everybody in their right mind knows that January 6th was an attempted coup. Even Republican legislators admitted as much during the first week-or-so after the insurrection.

But, after pressure from Cheeto McBonespurs and his base, they changed their tune. Repubs are scared spitless of what the January 6th committee will uncover. Why else are most of Cheeto's henchmen refusing to honor subpoenas? Why else are most of them refusing to testify? After all, anybody can "take the 5th" during testimony. But most people, even Cheeto himself, views "taking the 5th" as admission of guilt. Hell, Cheeto even said as much. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-innocent-fifth-amendment/ And the last thing the fascists want is televised hearings where their refusal to answer even the simplest question is met by "I am invoking my 5th Amendment rights against self-incrimination. "

Imagine this exchange:

Committee member: "Is your name Lindsay Graham?

Graham: "I am invoking my 5th Amendment rights against self-incrimination."
Committee member: "Are you a US Senator?

Graham: "I am invoking my 5th Amendment rights against self-incrimination."

Committee Member: "Did you say, on the floor of the Senate, that then-president Trump, bore responsibility for the events on January 6th?

Graham: "I am invoking my 5th Amendment rights against self-incrimination."

So, fascists talk about Biden to distract from the January 6th insurrection and the investigation into it. Democrats talk about the one-term, twice-impeached former guy so that fascists know we're keeping the focus where it belongs. Democrats also talk about the former guy because he was a putz who thought that the US Army took over airports during the Revolutionary War and other jenius (mis-spelling intentional) remarks like that.

If, by some miracle, the former guy wins again, expect America to look and feel a lot different. Sort of like Germany in the 30's and 40's. Only worse.

PVMonger
01-19-22, 20:24
I will try to explain this to you like I would to my grandchildren so that you can understand. Let's make it kindergarten simple. If there were 100 people working at their job before the pandemic and the business closed so none of them had a job. Then after pandemic the business reopened and the 100 people went back to work then no new jobs were created. It does not matter if the same people returned to the 100 jobs. The jobs were already there. Not rocket science.The Texas Tribune disagrees. https://apps.texastribune.org/featur...-unemployment/.

But I already know what you're going to say in response. Your same "fake news" garbage.

Axel Heyst
01-19-22, 20:26
5. The fact that you edited my list proves you are a fascist. You hate America and any American who isn't white, straight, male or Christian.I edited your list because it was idiotic. It seems that anyone who disagrees with you is a fascist. You prove my point with every post you make. If you want to see what a fascist is just look in the mirror, boy.

P.S. This is the ISG. I am still waiting to see one post by you about shagging girls. One post.

MarquisdeSade1
01-19-22, 20:31
I am not receiving any government checks, not even my Social Security checks. I have been pleasantly and pleasurably retired in Thailand for almost 10 years entirely on my investment incomes and a pension from a USA company I was with for 25 years.

No, my greatest stock market returns per presidency were during those 264% gain Clinton years and 235% gain Obama years while your way overpaid even at 0.25% commission financial advisors were telling you how proud and thrilled you should be to have only gained something significantly less than 70%.

The Carter years were not my best stock market return years because I wasn't in the market during Carter's presidency. But Carter was the one who required companies to offer all of their rank and file employees one of the greatest tax deferred stock market investment and retirement planning instruments of all time, the 401 k, instead of only blessing their top management executives with that offer.

That alone was a greater "tax cut" and pro retirement advantage for the ordinary working American than any Repub ever produced or ever will produce.

Oh, and so many jobs were being created under Carter, I should mention those were the years I could pick and choose companies to work for, salaries to consider, future prospects in each plum company to calculate.
.The POS 401 k, how many millions of hard working middle class Americans lost their jobs because their 401 k money was given to Wall street so that could invest in companies in China virus land so that they could have their jobs outsourced there?

Lets hear it Mister pretzel twister, you, are Maddow and Baghdad Bob all have one thing in common.

Canada
01-19-22, 20:36
1. Woke is exactly what I say it is. Just because you don't believe it, doesn't make it wrong.

2. Look up what the judge in Tucker Carlson's lawsuit said.

3. You are deflecting. Republicans don't support freedom of speech. See Cheney, Liz. And the fact that you brought up all lives matter shows that you are blind.

4. Republicans want to go back to when only white males could vote. You have no idea what voting rights are or what they mean. But sure, let's discuss the voting rights act anytime you want. Maybe you ought to read the act. The fact that you think that it guarantees that Democrats will always win shows that the former guy does your thinking for you because that's exactly what he said!

5. The fact that you edited my list proves you are a fascist. You hate America and any American who isn't white, straight, male or Christian.It is proven socialists hate capitalism and America. It is only the woke left trying to block conservative speech in our universities and our cities. Show me one university that has blocked liberal speech or liberal wokeness. Woke is socialism. Why do the socialists think anyone that opposes them are white? Because they are racists. Hispanics and blacks are offended by your comments.

Canada
01-19-22, 20:40
If Biden hasn't created any jobs (your words from above), then how are Texas, Arizona, Utah and Idaho back at full employment? Are you suggesting that everybody in those states who wasn't working during the pandemic magically went back to their old job? Because the Texas Tribune says that your contention is, as usual, horse hockey.

https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-unemployment/

Furthermore, your contention that only 4 states have recovered all of their jobs is, again, false. "Fourteen states have fully recovered jobs lost since the beginning of the pandemic and have jobs numbers higher than they did in February 2020. On average, the USA Is 3% below pre-pandemic employment levels, with Hawaii and Nevada still missing 9% of jobs.

Blue states grew jobs 37% faster than red states as of July 2021. When vaccines became widely available from April to July, blue states increased their jobs twice as quickly as red states. " https://www.moneygeek.com/coronavirus/states-most-jobs-lost-coronavirus/..You proved my point. You said employment is 3% below pre pandemic which means less people are working today than when Trump was president. If less people are working then no new jobs were created. We need the 3% of jobs filled first. Thanks for verifying Biden created no new jobs.

Canada
01-19-22, 20:47
No, many wouldn't leave for any of those reasons. The states that pay the highest wages, mostly blue states and cities are not coincidentally also the states and cities with the highest real estate costs and values.

Anyone whose mortgage was paid off on that high ticket real estate thanks to their higher incomes over decades are sitting on a relative gold mine at retirement. They could relocate to any pissant red state, buy outright for cash and play on the internet from now on if they want.

Oh, and thanks solely to Clinton and the Dems in Congress but zero thanks to even one Repub, a married filing jointly retired couple would pocket the first $500,000 in equity on the sale of their primary residence 100% tax free.

Yep, just another example of a truly meaningful, positive life-altering tax cut enacted by Dems and not Repubs whose only tax cuts are a joke by comparison. And a sick joke at that considering every time Repubs enact their disproportionately high tax cuts for the already wealthy it comes at the price of another Great Repub Crash, Plunging Property Values and Massive Jobs Destruction.What percentage of the poor and the middle class have their mortgages paid off? What percentage of the poor and the middle class have $500,000 gain on their house? I guess you are thanking democrat for benefiting the rich.

And I haven't seen a great Republican crash in the last 50 years so it must have only been noticed by the socialists. Americans like me who were working didn't participate in the fantasy republican crashes.

Cali Guy
01-19-22, 20:51
If Biden hasn't created any jobs (your words from above), then how are Texas, Arizona, Utah and Idaho back at full employment? Are you suggesting that everybody in those states who wasn't working during the pandemic magically went back to their old job? Because the Texas Tribune says that your contention is, as usual, horse hockey.

https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-unemployment/

Furthermore, your contention that only 4 states have recovered all of their jobs is, again, false. "Fourteen states have fully recovered jobs lost since the beginning of the pandemic and have jobs numbers higher than they did in February 2020. On average, the USA Is 3% below pre-pandemic employment levels, with Hawaii and Nevada still missing 9% of jobs.

Blue states grew jobs 37% faster than red states as of July 2021. When vaccines became widely available from April to July, blue states increased their jobs twice as quickly as red states. " https://www.moneygeek.com/coronavirus/states-most-jobs-lost-coronavirus/.I see by your post that you are admitting Biden failure to get jobs back to Trumps record employment numbers.

Axel Heyst
01-19-22, 21:55
RealClearPolitics (RCP) poll of polls:

For the first time, and on the one-year anniversary of his failed presidency, Biden's average approval rating dipped below 41 percent. He now sits at just 40.9 percent.

Biden's average disapproval rating is now well over 50 percent, at 53.3 percent, which means he is 12.4 points underwater.

Both Gallup and the far-left Politico released polls today that put Biden's approval at 40 percent and his disapproval at 56 percent. Civiqs polling has him at just 34 percent.

Proof I guess that America is Racist & Fascist! 555 / KKK.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

Xpartan
01-19-22, 22:06
Yep! Anyone who wants the "proof" of Trump's lack of originality in his "fake news" shtick can simply google "Lgenpresse". The Nazis were extremely proficient in that technique, and even they were hardly the first.

And Trump's disciples parroting that ridiculous, discredited slogan every time they have a chance -- what an embarrassment!


https://www.aol.com/news/why-biden-presidential-reset-may-202448526.html

Isn't this supposed to be a 3rd term for Barry Hussein?

Boy he picked a winner, his VP of 8 yrs.

He had the nomination handed to him in 2020.

All that for this? LOL.

How years has Joe been in Washington? 48?

I remember Trump saying during a debate in 2020.

He had done more in 47 mos than Biden did in 47 yrs.Oh, I totally agree! Trump in his short (praise the Lord!) tenure inflicted MUCH more damage on our civil society and American democracy than all other politicians combined since the birth of this country.

Only what does, pray tell, your rabid, nonsensical tirade have to do with the original post you're quoting?

My post (for those with an attention span of a 5-year-old) was how Trump's "fake news" shtick had originated in a German propaganda instrument called Lgenpresse, which was actively used by the Nazi propaganda machine 80 years prior.

So what exactly does your incoherent, xenophobic and borderline racist name-calling have to do with all that?

Don't bother, it was a rhetorical question.

PVMonger
01-19-22, 22:25
I will try to explain this to you like I would to my grandchildren so that you can understand. Let's make it kindergarten simple. If there were 100 people working at their job before the pandemic and the business closed so none of them had a job. Then after pandemic the business reopened and the 100 people went back to work then no new jobs were created. It does not matter if the same people returned to the 100 jobs. The jobs were already there. Not rocket science.I'm glad I'm not your grandchildren.

Let me explain it to you in terms you ought to be able to understand. What you posted is plain, unadulterated manure.

Look at many of the charts in this article https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-unemployment/ Tell me which one of the industry segments below fits the model that you are trying to convince me is the truth?

Leisure and hospitality lost 577,200 jobs and added 421,800 jobs between March 2020 and May 2021.

Education and health services lost 179,800 jobs and added 118,700 jobs between March 2020 and May 2021.

Government lost 140,000 jobs and added 81,800 jobs between March 2020 and May 2021.

Construction lost 88,200 jobs and added 38,200 jobs between March 2020 and May 2021.

Manufacturing lost 69,900 jobs and added 29,200 jobs between March 2020 and May 2021.

Mining and logging (includes oil and gas) lost 67,900 jobs and added 14,100 jobs between March 2020 and May 2021.

None of the industries listed is back to full employment. Therefore, your contention is, well, everybody knows what it is.

EihTooms
01-20-22, 01:08
I didn't see this previously for the most likely Repub Party so-called presidential candidate in 2024 if New York has put Trump in the slammer by then. There aren't enough polls on Florida Mass Murderer / Governor DeSantis to produce much of a "consensus" yet. So we'll have to go with individual credible polls.

Among 1989 Registered Voters:

New poll shows Ron DeSantis losing to both Joe Biden, Kamala Harris

Dec. 11,2021.

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/479164-ron-desantis-loses-to-both-joe-biden-kamala-harris-in-new-polling/


A Harvard/Harris Poll asked: If the 2024 election for President were held today and it was between Ron DeSantis, the Republican, and Joe Biden, the Democrat, who would you vote for?

Biden took a 43% share of respondents; DeSantis took 36%, with an additional 21% saying they were unsure. The Governor had 37% support against Harris, who had 42%. Again, 21% had not formed an opinion.

EihTooms
01-20-22, 01:54
What percentage of the poor and the middle class have their mortgages paid off? What percentage of the poor and the middle class have $500,000 gain on their house? I guess you are thanking democrat for benefiting the rich.

And I haven't seen a great Republican crash in the last 50 years so it must have only been noticed by the socialists. Americans like me who were working didn't participate in the fantasy republican crashes.Actually, a lot of California homeowners would easily have $500,000 equity in their primary residence. And they would not be considered "rich" by California homeowner standards. Just smart to have lived, worked and bought in California. Oh, and for single filers, the 100% tax free amount they could pocket thanks solely to Clinton and the Dems is $250,000.

You haven't seen a Great Repub Crash, Depression / Recession in the past 50 years?

You'd have to go back to 1937 and the WWII bills-paying years under FDR and Truman to find ANY Recession starting under a Dem rather than a Repub for the past 100 years except for the historically brief and insignificant one purposely induced by the Fed under Carter in order to cool down an overheated economy that was producing way more jobs than there were applicants to take them, a condition that was triggering growing wage-fueled inflation:

But for the Great Repub Recessions out of the total of 7 Recessions we've had in just the past 50 years, where all but 1 of those 7 were started under a Repub, I draw your attention to Reagan's in 1981, GW Bush's in 2007 and Trump's in 2020. Honorable Mention goes to the ones under GHW Bush and Nixon:

The National Bureau of Economic Research is the official USA government go-to source for determining the beginning and end of Recessions.

https://www.nber.org/research/data/us-business-cycle-expansions-and-contractions

ScatManDoo
01-20-22, 03:09
RealClearPolitics (RCP) poll of polls:

For the first time, and on the one-year anniversary of his failed presidency, Biden's average approval rating dipped below 41 percent. He now sits at just 40.9 percent.

Biden's average disapproval rating is now well over 50 percent, at 53.3 percent, which means he is 12.4 points underwater.

Proof I guess that America is Racist & Fascist! 555 / KKK.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.htmlRCP's poll that you cited had TrumpShit's number (the average for Shit's first year) underwater 13.5 40.5 to 56%.

Proof your historical perspective is deficient.

Cali Guy
01-20-22, 03:12
I'm glad I'm not your grandchildren.

Let me explain it to you in terms you ought to be able to understand. What you posted is plain, unadulterated manure.

Look at many of the charts in this article https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-unemployment/ Tell me which one of the industry segments below fits the model that you are trying to convince me is the truth?

Leisure and hospitality lost 577,200 jobs and added 421,800 jobs between March 2020 and May 2021.

Education and health services lost 179,800 jobs and added 118,700 jobs between March 2020 and May 2021.

Government lost 140,000 jobs and added 81,800 jobs between March 2020 and May 2021.

Construction lost 88,200 jobs and added 38,200 jobs between March 2020 and May 2021.

Manufacturing lost 69,900 jobs and added 29,200 jobs between March 2020 and May 2021..Pretty simple. You can pull whatever data you want from as many sights as possible to try and confuse people but bottom line is 3% less people are working now than when Trump was president.

EihTooms
01-20-22, 03:18
RealClearPolitics (RCP) poll of polls:

For the first time, and on the one-year anniversary of his failed presidency, Biden's average approval rating dipped below 41 percent. He now sits at just 40.9 percent.

Biden's average disapproval rating is now well over 50 percent, at 53.3 percent, which means he is 12.4 points underwater.

Both Gallup and the far-left Politico released polls today that put Biden's approval at 40 percent and his disapproval at 56 percent. Civiqs polling has him at just 34 percent.

Proof I guess that America is Racist & Fascist! 555 / KKK.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.htmlOh, then Biden has defeated Trump again! This time on a higher 1st Year RCP Poll of Polls Job Approval and lower Job Disapproval Rating:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

Of course, Trump had a huge advantage in achieving his Job Approval rating after inheriting from Obama-Biden a steadily growing and expanding jobs creating economic expansion of historic length and proportions to coast on in that first year.

By stark contrast, Biden inherited from Trump-Pence another in a long series of Great Repub Crashes and Recessions, Jobs Destruction in the millions, an unprecedented Trump's Pandemic raging around the world in all its deadly variants with no plan or system in place to vaccinate against it, a total surrender to the Taliban in Afghanistan and an organized Trump / Repub Party Insurrection Mob in and out of office intent upon overthrowing American democracy by any means necessary.

Big difference.

Despite all that, Biden's RCP Favorability Rating against political leaders like Trump who no longer has a Job and others is also still higher than theirs:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/other/FavorabilityRatingsPoliticalLeaders.html

Yes, Trump is the current leader of the Repub Party. Not a real job, as is the case with whatever it is Do Nothing Repubs do for a living. But Moscow Mitch essentially admitted his Party does not have a platform on which to campaign again this election year. Therefore, it logically defaults to the platform they ran on the previous time. Which was, "Whatever America-hating Trump wants us to do."

Canada
01-20-22, 03:20
Hopefully everyone saw the embarrassing Biden press conference today. He was a disaster. Stuttering and stemming and unable to answer half the questions. Some of his answers were questions. Some of his answers were totally about something other than the question. He look confused and flustered whenever a hard question was asked. Fortunately they had some liberals there to ask some soft questions or he wouldn't have gotten any answers right. Some of his answers were: I don't know. I am sure it wasn't shown internationally or he would be laughing stock of all the world leaders today. If he is like this with foreign leaders we are in trouble.

EihTooms
01-20-22, 04:49
The POS 401 k, how many millions of hard working middle class Americans lost their jobs because their 401 k money was given to Wall street so that could invest in companies in China virus land so that they could have their jobs outsourced there?

Lets hear it Mister pretzel twister, you, are Maddow and Baghdad Bob all have one thing in common.I have no idea what 401 Ks were given to Trump's beloved "Make sure I Win!" China when people lost their jobs by the millions under Trump, Bush2, Bush1 and Reagan that you are talking about.

In my case, thanks to my hard work, due diligence, the pro American legislation passed by FDR, LBJ, Carter, Clinton and Obama, my great good fortune in living, working and buying residence in California, the historic gains in the stock market under Clinton, Obama and now Biden, I was able to roll over my 401 K into an IRA when I retired, fully, with none of it being sent to Trump's beloved "We thank Xi for his help and transparency in controlling this Democrat Party Hoax virus" China.

The income withdrawals from that and other investments have been enough to provide for a fine, fun, pleasurable and totally comfortable retirement for 10 years so far without my even needing to apply for my well earned Social Security yet, merely waiting until it reaches the maximum monthly dollar amount for me at age 70.

And all with zero thanks to any USA economy and stock market crashing Repub.

EihTooms
01-20-22, 07:14
Hopefully everyone saw the embarrassing Biden press conference today. He was a disaster. Stuttering and stemming and unable to answer half the questions. Some of his answers were questions. Some of his answers were totally about something other than the question. He look confused and flustered whenever a hard question was asked. Fortunately they had some liberals there to ask some soft questions or he wouldn't have gotten any answers right. Some of his answers were: I don't know. I am sure it wasn't shown internationally or he would be laughing stock of all the world leaders today. If he is like this with foreign leaders we are in trouble.Yes, I saw it. Biden answered every question intelligently and truthfully for almost 2 hours. He was clearly smarter and better informed than any of the questioners.

There is little wonder why he got the highest 1st year RCP Poll of Polls Job Approval and lowest Job Disapproval Rating of any POTUS since Barack Obama and that he is viewed more Favorably on that same standard than any other political leader including Donald Trump.

Xpartan
01-20-22, 07:16
Hopefully everyone saw the embarrassing Biden press conference today. He was a disaster. Stuttering and stemming and unable to answer half the questions. Some of his answers were questions. Some of his answers were totally about something other than the question. He look confused and flustered whenever a hard question was asked. Fortunately they had some liberals there to ask some soft questions or he wouldn't have gotten any answers right. Some of his answers were: I don't know. I am sure it wasn't shown internationally or he would be laughing stock of all the world leaders today. If he is like this with foreign leaders we are in trouble.Didn't watch Biden conference, but I remember the previous White House Resident, the one of the orange disposition, who was world-famous for his elaborate speeches, clear and coherent answers, deep analytical thinking and, what else? Oh yes, cofveve.

Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do.

From Salute to America speech on July 4th, talking about the year 1775.

But no, Canada et al were not embarrassed by the Chief back in a day. Not in the slightest, but then Biden became President.

EihTooms
01-20-22, 10:11
Didn't watch Biden conference, but I remember the previous White House Resident, the one of the orange disposition, who was world-famous for his elaborate speeches, clear and coherent answers, deep analytical thinking and, what else? Oh yes, cofveve.

Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do.

From Salute to America speech on July 4th, talking about the year 1775.

But no, Canada et al were not embarrassed by the Chief back in a day. Not in the slightest, but then Biden became President.Yes, the winger media is furious that Biden stood for almost 2 hours answering the reporters' questions with coherent, logical, intelligent, well-informed replies instead of ranting about the "anominus" "oranges" of "yo-Semites" for 10 minutes before rushing back to his disinfectant infusion to protect him from the "Democrat Party Hoax" virus that will "go away without a vaccine".

Axel Heyst
01-20-22, 13:52
RCP's poll that you cited had TrumpShit's number (the average for Shit's first year) underwater 13.5 40.5 to 56%.

Proof your historical perspective is deficient.President Donald Trump Historical Job Approval.

Approve Disapprove Spread.

1st Term 42.8 53.4 -10.6.

2017 40.5 54.0 -13.5.

2018 42.5 53.2 -10.7.

2019 43.4 53.3 -9. 9.

2020 44.4 53.1 -8. 7.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html#!

Canada
01-20-22, 14:40
Didn't watch Biden conference, but I remember the previous White House Resident, the one of the orange disposition, who was world-famous for his elaborate speeches, clear and coherent answers, deep analytical thinking and, what else? Oh yes, cofveve.

Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do.

From Salute to America speech on July 4th, talking about the year 1775.

But no, Canada et al were not embarrassed by the Chief back in a day. Not in the slightest, but then Biden became President.I advise you to watch it. It pretty much shows he is unfit for president. He looked like a tired old man in first stage of dementia and his answers backed it up. It is scary to think he is meeting with world leaders.

Canada
01-20-22, 14:47
Actually, a lot of California homeowners would easily have $500,000 equity in their primary residence. And they would not be considered "rich" by California homeowner standards. Just smart to have lived, worked and bought in California. Oh, and for single filers, the 100% tax free amount they could pocket thanks solely to Clinton and the Dems is $250,000.

You haven't seen a Great Repub Crash, Depression / Recession in the past 50 years?

You'd have to go back to 1937 and the WWII bills-paying years under FDR and Truman to find ANY Recession starting under a Dem rather than a Repub for the past 100 years except for the historically brief and insignificant one purposely induced by the Fed under Carter in order to cool down an overheated economy that was producing way more jobs than there were applicants to take them, a condition that was triggering growing wage-fueled inflation:

But for the Great Repub Recessions out of the total of 7 Recessions we've had in just the past 50 years, where all but 1 of those 7 were started under a Repub, I draw your attention to Reagan's in 1981, GW Bush's in 2007 and Trump's in 2020. Honorable Mention goes to the ones under GHW Bush and Nixon:.This post just shows manipulated lies again. You say 7 Republican crashes. None of the 3 were crashes. 2 were corrections and one was a pandemic. None were great Republican crashes and the market and economy benefited from all of them. Trump economy rebounded in 2021 when Biden did nothing to stop it. Now after a year we have a month of Biden economy. Down 4% inflation at record high. And less people working than before your so called crash.

Cali Guy
01-20-22, 14:54
Hopefully everyone saw the embarrassing Biden press conference today. He was a disaster. Stuttering and stemming and unable to answer half the questions. Some of his answers were questions. Some of his answers were totally about something other than the question. He look confused and flustered whenever a hard question was asked. Fortunately they had some liberals there to ask some soft questions or he wouldn't have gotten any answers right. Some of his answers were: I don't know. I am sure it wasn't shown internationally or he would be laughing stock of all the world leaders today. If he is like this with foreign leaders we are in trouble.Scary to think he is the president of USA. He started fine with the soft questions and then just lost it when the hard questions came. He looked confused and at least 3 times he stopped in the middle of his answer because he forgot the question. O the the schools question he rattled on for at least 2 minutes about nothing and then just stopped without even answering the questions. Without a teleprompter and someone giving him the answers he is completely lost. Embarrassment for him, the democrats and the world. Everyone on this forum needs to see it.

PVMonger
01-20-22, 16:14
Pretty simple. You can pull whatever data you want from as many sights as possible to try and confuse people but bottom line is 3% less people are working now than when Trump was president.I hate to break it to you but all the data was from the Texas Tribune. I am truly sorry that it confused you because I made it as simplistic as possible. There was no "pulling data from multiple sites" because it is all there in the Texas Tribute article. I can't help it if the 6th-grade-level-writing (which is what most publications use as a standard) was too complex for you. Here is the article again. Maybe you can get your grandchildren to explain it to you. https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-unemployment/.

PVMonger
01-20-22, 16:21
I edited your list because it was idiotic. It seems that anyone who disagrees with you is a fascist. You prove my point with every post you make. If you want to see what a fascist is just look in the mirror, boy.

P.S. This is the ISG. I am still waiting to see one post by you about shagging girls. One post.I realize that it might be difficult for you to understand but this is the "American Politics" forum in ISG. If you want posts about shagging girls, why not go the the hundreds of other forums in ISG that deal with that. Like everybody else does. The fact that you have not seen any of my posts does not mean squat. Sheesh.

PVMonger
01-20-22, 16:27
Didn't watch Biden conference, but I remember the previous White House Resident, the one of the orange disposition, who was world-famous for his elaborate speeches, clear and coherent answers, deep analytical thinking and, what else? Oh yes, cofveve.

Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do.

From Salute to America speech on July 4th, talking about the year 1775.

But no, Canada et al were not embarrassed by the Chief back in a day. Not in the slightest, but then Biden became President.Maybe Canada, et al know less history that Cheeto McBonespurs, although, according to the former guy's aides, that might not be possible. It certainly would explain why they weren't embarrassed.

PVMonger
01-20-22, 16:34
You proved my point. You said employment is 3% below pre pandemic which means less people are working today than when Trump was president. If less people are working then no new jobs were created. We need the 3% of jobs filled first. Thanks for verifying Biden created no new jobs.I could have just deleted the 3% part and you wouldn't be any the wiser. But altering facts to turn them into "alternative facts" is what fascists do.

And, what, no comment on the part of the quote that said that blue states have bounced back better than red states? I wonder why that is?

Axel Heyst
01-20-22, 16:39
Didn't watch Biden conference, but Maybe you should watch it. The news conference was a disaster. Yeah, my opinion, but I would ask you to watch it yourself and then tell me what if anything you liked about it. The key points I witnessed in that news conference were 1. Biden gave Putin the green light to invade the Ukraine, 2. Biden had no idea or concrete plan of how to cut inflation. In fact, he even said printing more money with his BBB plan would cut inflation, 3. He vilified everyone (more than half the country) who opposes his Party's plan to take over elections by nationalizing ballot harvesting and doing away with voter ID, 4. He could not explain why his pol numbers were in the toilet. 5. he said he accomplished more than any President in his 1st year in office, but did not say what those accomplishments were.

On 2nd thought it is understandable why you would not want to watch this friggin' disaster. Trump is the devil. Noting else seems to matter with you. But let me assure you that higher ups in the Democratic Party are fully aware of Biden's mental deficiencies resulting in his inability to carry the Party agenda forward. Biden in effect is killing the Woke movement and although this makes me very happy, it should really piss you off. The problem that the Democratic party has is Joe Biden and you have him for 3 more years. Good luck with that! 555 / KKK.

Canada
01-20-22, 16:49
Didn't watch Biden conference, but I remember the previous White House Resident, the one of the orange disposition, who was world-famous for his elaborate speeches, clear and coherent answers, deep analytical thinking and, what else? Oh yes, cofveve.

Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do.

From Salute to America speech on July 4th, talking about the year 1775.

But no, Canada et al were not embarrassed by the Chief back in a day. Not in the slightest, but then Biden became President.No surprise here that you didn't watch the Biden disaster but somehow you remember watching Trump press conference. Obviously you knew Trump had more to say. There has never been a president in the last 50 years that stuttered and stammered so much. Totally confused. Just keep avoiding the obvious. Your life will not get better if you ignore Biden mistakes. CNN on full damage control trying to show clips of Biden press conference. Showing the early questions that Biden had the answers written down in advance. After that press conference it explains why Russia and China are ecstatic dealing with the USA now. There is a reason 49% of the people think Biden is unfit to be president. When that question was presented to Biden he said I just don't know why 49% think he is unfit.

MarquisdeSade1
01-20-22, 18:36
RealClearPolitics (RCP) poll of polls:

For the first time, and on the one-year anniversary of his failed presidency, Biden's average approval rating dipped below 41 percent. He now sits at just 40.9 percent.

Biden's average disapproval rating is now well over 50 percent, at 53.3 percent, which means he is 12.4 points underwater.

Both Gallup and the far-left Politico released polls today that put Biden's approval at 40 percent and his disapproval at 56 percent. Civiqs polling has him at just 34 percent.

Proof I guess that America is Racist & Fascist! 555 / KKK.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.htmlHe never even won in Nov 2020.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/2020-election-trump-biden-fraudulent/2022/01/20/id/1053245/

EihTooms
01-20-22, 19:24
This post just shows manipulated lies again. You say 7 Republican crashes. None of the 3 were crashes. 2 were corrections and one was a pandemic. None were great Republican crashes and the market and economy benefited from all of them. Trump economy rebounded in 2021 when Biden did nothing to stop it. Now after a year we have a month of Biden economy. Down 4% inflation at record high. And less people working than before your so called crash.Do you even know what an economic "contraction" is according to every economic measure and the NBER?

Clearly, you do not.

EihTooms
01-20-22, 19:42
President Donald Trump Historical Job Approval.

Approve Disapprove Spread.

1st Term 42.8 53.4 -10.6.

2017 40.5 54.0 -13.5.

2018 42.5 53.2 -10.7.

2019 43.4 53.3 -9. 9.

2020 44.4 53.1 -8. 7.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html#!Yes, that's the latest Biden victory over Trump:

Biden.

Approve Disapprove Spread.

2021 40.9 53.9 -13.

RCP had until 12 Noon USA EST today to jam in a couple more of those Rasmussen or Trafalgar polls to give Trump a shot at defeating Biden at something for a change. But I guess they couldn't find one.

PVMonger
01-20-22, 20:45
No surprise here that you didn't watch the Biden disaster but somehow you remember watching Trump press conference. Obviously you knew Trump had more to say. There has never been a president in the last 50 years that stuttered and stammered so much. Totally confused. Just keep avoiding the obvious. Your life will not get better if you ignore Biden mistakes. CNN on full damage control trying to show clips of Biden press conference. Showing the early questions that Biden had the answers written down in advance. After that press conference it explains why Russia and China are ecstatic dealing with the USA now. There is a reason 49% of the people think Biden is unfit to be president. When that question was presented to Biden he said I just don't know why 49% think he is unfit.I tried to find something that was "true" in this but I couldn't. The highlights are:

"I remember the previous White House Resident, the one of the orange disposition, who was world-famous for his elaborate speeches, clear and coherent answers, deep analytical thinking and, what else?" was the original comment. It is completely unsurprising that you can't tell that the comment was sarcasm.

"There has never been a president in the last 50 years that stuttered and stammered so much. " There has never been a President who had a stuttering problem before Biden. Again, I find it completely unsurprising that you didn't know this.

"There is a reason 49% of the people think Biden is unfit to be president. " Sure there is. 35% of the American population (Republicans) are morons. The other 15% are unhappy.

Canada
01-20-22, 22:56
Do you even know what an economic "contraction" is according to every economic measure and the NBER?

Clearly, you do not.Obviously you know nothing. We have an incompetent president destroying America and you are ok with this because you think you can blame fabricated Republican history. You can't be American. Not sure if your nationality. Probably Indian or Asian as you want to see America fail. You keep your hatred propaganda in your country and we will vote our way out of this disaster.

Xpartan
01-20-22, 23:22
I advise you to watch it. It pretty much shows he is unfit for president. He looked like a tired old man in first stage of dementia and his answers backed it up. It is scary to think he is meeting with world leaders.


I tried to find something that was "true" in this but I couldn't. The highlights are:

"I remember the previous White House Resident, the one of the orange disposition, who was world-famous for his elaborate speeches, clear I was truly taken aback by his comment. I just couldn't believe he didn't realize it was in zest. Jesus! Who are these people?

On the other hand, I'd like to ask every right-winger here who watched that 2-hour press-conference personally. What specific answers convinced you he's unfit for president? That is if you actually watched the event and not the commentaries from your favorite lunatic TV pundits.

Anyone want to chime in?

PVMonger
01-20-22, 23:56
Obviously you know nothing. We have an incompetent president destroying America and you are ok with this because you think you can blame fabricated Republican history. You can't be American. Not sure if your nationality. Probably Indian or Asian as you want to see America fail. You keep your hatred propaganda in your country and we will vote our way out of this disaster.When you don't have facts, make stuff up. When you don't have facts, attack. When you don't have facts, belittle. These three (3) things are straight out of the fascist playbook.

Oh, and by the way, Repubs didn't manage to vote their way out of anything in 2020. And because 50% of you are willfully ignorant, there will be even fewer to vote for Cheeto McBonespurs in 2024.

EihTooms
01-21-22, 05:15
Obviously you know nothing. We have an incompetent president destroying America and you are ok with this because you think you can blame fabricated Republican history. You can't be American. Not sure if your nationality. Probably Indian or Asian as you want to see America fail. You keep your hatred propaganda in your country and we will vote our way out of this disaster.Here is what I know about economic contractions / Recessions relative to Party affiliation stewardship as fully substantiated by the National Bureau of Economic Research in the link I provided:

There have been 17 Recessions in the USA economy over the past 100 years.

All but 4 of them began under Republican Party economic stewardship in the White House.

All of the half dozen or so of the deepest and most damaging to employment numbers Recessions began under Republicans.

Of the 4 that began under Democrats, all of them were among the briefest and least damaging to employment.

One began in 1937 during a historic recovery from a previous Great Repub Crash in the economy.

Two began in 1945 and 1948 when America was in the process of resetting and retooling factories and jobs from its WWII efforts while also paying the bills for that war.

And the 4th one, the briefest and least damaging of all, began in early 1980, almost didn't even qualify as a Recession in that we were already pulling out of it by the second consecutive quarter of fractional contraction and, most notable of all, was purposely induced by the Fed in order to reverse the trajectory of inflation by cooling down an overheated economy that was creating far more jobs than there were applicants to take them.

Of all the "economic problems" to have, that last one is about the best one any country would want. Rest assured, there has never been such a "problem" under any Repub so serious to require Fed intervention.

https://www.nber.org/research/data/us-business-cycle-expansions-and-contractions

Now, Great Repub Bear Market Crashes is a different topic that requires a different link. But they are related in that most Bear Market Crashes do accompany a Recession. Consequently, most deep and significant Bear Market Crashes of the past century have accompanied Great Repub Recessions, as was the case with each of the most recent Repub so-called potus', Trump and GW Bush.

EihTooms
01-21-22, 05:49
I tried to find something that was "true" in this but I couldn't. The highlights are:

"I remember the previous White House Resident, the one of the orange disposition, who was world-famous for his elaborate speeches, clear and coherent answers, deep analytical thinking and, what else?" was the original comment. It is completely unsurprising that you can't tell that the comment was sarcasm.

"There has never been a president in the last 50 years that stuttered and stammered so much. " There has never been a President who had a stuttering problem before Biden. Again, I find it completely unsurprising that you didn't know this.

"There is a reason 49% of the people think Biden is unfit to be president. " Sure there is. 35% of the American population (Republicans) are morons. The other 15% are unhappy.Yes, wingers either forget or pretend to forget Biden's lifelong struggle and amazing victory over a stuttering problem.

They always mischaracterize or outright lie about his compensation tactic of occasionally briefly stopping in mid-sentence to choose a perfectly acceptable alternate next word or phrase in order to avoid the ones he suspects might trigger a stutter. Which he does brilliantly and largely seamlessly, I should add.

Now, when Trump repeats the words "anominus, anominus" or "oranges, oranges" over and over again when he apparently is struggling to say "anonymous" and "origins" and when he thinks one of our great and world renowned National Parks, Yosimite, is really a "Yo, Semite!" call to people of Jewish heritage, would that be considered a stutter, a stammer or merely more examples of his serious cognitive decline?

Which is the politically correct term for that?

I wouldn't want to be insensitive and unwoke about his disability and mental challenges.

PVMonger
01-21-22, 15:59
Yes, wingers either forget or pretend to forget Biden's lifelong struggle and amazing victory over a stuttering problem.

They always mischaracterize or outright lie about his compensation tactic of occasionally briefly stopping in mid-sentence to choose a perfectly acceptable alternate next word or phrase in order to avoid the ones he suspects might trigger a stutter. Which he does brilliantly and largely seamlessly, I should add.

Now, when Trump repeats the words "anominus, anominus" or "oranges, oranges" over and over again when he apparently is struggling to say "anonymous" and "origins" and when he thinks one of our great and world renowned National Parks, Yosimite, is really a "Yo, Semite!" call to people of Jewish heritage, would that be considered a stutter, a stammer or merely more examples of his serious cognitive decline?

Which is the politically correct term for that?

I wouldn't want to be insensitive and unwoke about his disability and mental challenges.As to your third paragraph, you need to be careful using sarcasm with the fascists who post here. They won't understand it. But, then again, they don't understand facts either.

Just watch. One of them will say that it is "fake news" that Biden had / has a stuttering problem and / or that the one-term, twice-impeached former guy ever said "anominus", "oranges" or "yo-semites".

Canada
01-21-22, 16:43
Here is what I know about economic contractions / Recessions relative to Party affiliation stewardship as fully substantiated by the National Bureau of Economic Research in the link I provided:

There have been 17 Recessions in the USA economy over the past 100 years.

All but 4 of them began under Republican Party economic stewardship in the White House.

All of the half dozen or so of the deepest and most damaging to employment numbers Recessions began under Republicans.

Of the 4 that began under Democrats, all of them were among the briefest and least damaging to employment.

One began in 1937 during a historic recovery from a previous Great Repub Crash in the economy.

Two began in 1945 and 1948 when America was in the process of resetting and retooling factories and jobs from its WWII efforts while also paying the bills for that war.

And the 4th one, the briefest and least damaging of all, began in early 1980, almost didn't even qualify as a Recession in that we were already pulling out of it by the second consecutive quarter of fractional contraction and, most notable of all, was purposely induced by the Fed in order to reverse the trajectory of inflation by cooling down an overheated economy that was creating far more jobs than there were applicants to take them..And that concludes fairytale story time today. Keep up the fiction.

Canada
01-21-22, 16:45
I was truly taken aback by his comment. I just couldn't believe he didn't realize it was in zest. Jesus! Who are these people?

On the other hand, I'd like to ask every right-winger here who watched that 2-hour press-conference personally. What specific answers convinced you he's unfit for president? That is if you actually watched the event and not the commentaries from your favorite lunatic TV pundits.

Anyone want to chime in?Yes unfit to lead. First stage of Alzheimer's and delusional. Pretty obvious to most Americans.

Paulie97
01-21-22, 21:14
Two began in 1945 and 1948 when America was in the process of resetting and retooling factories and jobs from its WWII efforts.Of course, as recessions often follow wars. Yet the same benefit of the doubt isn't given to Dwight after the end of the Korean War. Instead we get all the hubris "atrocious, etc." You are pretty much in the same vein as Canada and his various other names, but from the other side. And it's rather irrelevant as the audience is rather small, a sex forum, and in a thread tucked away where few know about it.

PVMonger
01-21-22, 21:26
Yes unfit to lead. First stage of Alzheimer's and delusional. Pretty obvious to most Americans.The OP listed specific questions and you didn't answer one of them.

But since you believe that Biden has Alzheimer's, please provide a copy of your medical degree in addition to the diagnosis of one of Biden's doctors. Since "delusional" is a subset of "psychosis", please also provide a copy of your doctorate degree in Psychology as well as the relevant diagnosis of Biden's psychologist (if he has one).

Since none of the above exist (except in your mind) you are guilty, as usual, of spreading manure.

Xpartan
01-21-22, 22:01
Here is what I know about economic contractions / Recessions relative to Party affiliation stewardship as fully substantiated by the National Bureau of Economic Research in the link I provided:

There have been 17 Recessions in the USA economy over the past 100 years.

All but 4 of them began under Republican Party economic stewardship in the White House.

All of the half dozen or so of the deepest and most damaging to employment numbers Recessions began under Republicans.



And that concludes fairytale story time today. Keep up the fiction.And what makes it a fairytale?

EihTooms not only provided the data but also the link so you could verify his statement.

If you disagree with his statement or the source, the grown-up response would be to explain why.

You could insist, for example, that the OP was incorrect and there haven't been 17 recessions presided over by the Republicans.

Of course, as a grown-up, you would be expected to substantiate your rebuttal with a coherent and persuading argument. Calling it a fairytale is not it.

Are you a grown-up, Mr. Canada?


I'd like to ask every right-winger here who watched that 2-hour press-conference personally. What specific answers convinced you he's unfit for president? That is if you actually watched the event and not the commentaries from your favorite lunatic TV pundits.


Yes unfit to lead. First stage of Alzheimer's and delusional. Pretty obvious to most Americans.Are you a psychiatrist? Should we start addressing you Dr. Canada? You seem to be able to diagnose a mental illness on TV.

And yet, you don't seem to be able to distinguish a yes / no question from a WH question. Here, allow me to help.

My question was: "What specific answers convinced you he's unfit for president"?

What do you say? Try again?

ScatManDoo
01-21-22, 22:16
...I'd like to ask every right-winger here who watched that 2-hour press-conference personally. What specific answers convinced you he's unfit for president? That is if you actually watched the event and not the commentaries from your favorite lunatic TV pundits.

Anyone want to chime in?Of course, the peanut gallery is silent.

ScatManDoo
01-21-22, 22:38
The January 6th insurrection investigative committee got great news from the Supreme Court yesterday.

They told TrumpShit NO NO NO to his lame claim of executive privilege as he tries to hide his seditious behavior that got into the record.

Hundreds of pages from the archives were delivered the same day after the SCOTUS 8-1 decision. (Proving once again that Clarence Thomas is a legal lightweight).

But the bipartisan investigative committee has enough already.

They have interviewed dozens of lower level White House staffers that have already testified to the committee as to what was said and done.

It does not matter if the higher level folks try to be silent.

Liz Cheney & the other committee members already have the goods on what went down, and it was criminal.

Donald Trump is a criminal and he belongs in jail.

Canada
01-22-22, 00:57
And what makes it a fairytale?

EihTooms not only provided the data but also the link so you could verify his statement.

If you disagree with his statement or the source, the grown-up response would be to explain why.

You could insist, for example, that the OP was incorrect and there haven't been 17 recessions presided over by the Republicans.

Of course, as a grown-up, you would be expected to substantiate your rebuttal with a coherent and persuading argument. Calling it a fairytale is not it.

Are you a grown-up, Mr. Canada?.Market is down 1500 points already this year. This must be the great democrat crash that you guys keep talking about.

Unfit for president because he Has Dementia!

Canada
01-22-22, 01:00
The January 6th insurrection investigative committee got great news from the Supreme Court yesterday.

They told TrumpShit NO NO NO to his lame claim of executive privilege as he tries to hide his seditious behavior that got into the record.

Hundreds of pages from the archives were delivered the same day after the SCOTUS 8-1 decision. (Proving once again that Clarence Thomas is a legal lightweight).

But the bipartisan investigative committee has enough already.

They have interviewed dozens of lower level White House staffers that have already testified to the committee as to what was said and done.

It does not matter if the higher level folks try to be silent.

Liz Cheney & the other committee members already have the goods on what went down, and it was criminal.

Donald Trump is a criminal and he belongs in jail.There is nothing there. Nothing will happen to Trump on the January 6 protest and you will still be talking about it next year while Biden destroys America.

EihTooms
01-22-22, 02:08
Of course, as recessions often follow wars. Yet the same benefit of the doubt isn't given to Dwight after the end of the Korean War. Instead we get all the hubris "atrocious, etc." You are pretty much in the same vein as Canada and his various other names, but from the other side. And it's rather irrelevant as the audience is rather small, a sex forum, and in a thread tucked away where few know about it.You consider Eisenhower's 3 Recessions, the third one beginning in 1960, to be the result of the USA retooling and resetting in the aftermath of the Korean War in any way similar to the way we did for WWII?

You further assert that I listed any of Eisenhower's 3 Recessions in his 8 years in office among the half dozen or so Great Repub Recessions of the past 100 years?

And you conjured up all that in order to "Bothsider" me pretty much the same as someone who claims there were no Recessions and no Bear Market Crashes under any Repub in the past 50 years, nor has Biden's policies created any jobs but Trump's economic decisions and results were much better.

Uh. Ok.

I submit this to the court as Exhibit A for how "Bothsiderism" exists solely to help the utterly wrongheaded look like a reasonable option, perhaps worth no less consideration than a coin flip in a voting booth, inevitably giving them at least a 50-50 shot at producing more of their patented disastrous results.

Paulie97
01-22-22, 02:43
"Presided over?" Don't let Tooms frame the argument by selling you loaded terms. A number of Democratic presidents "presided over" recessions including Wilson, Truman, and Carter. Heck he even tries to blame Lincoln for the Civil War because he was a Republican, when there was nothing he could do otherwise besides let the southern states go. Tooms is a partisan hack loudly working day and month out with a false dichotomy, Democrats all good, Republicans all bad even stretching back to the Civil War. It's absurd, and betrays someone familiar with hack internet sources as opposed to history. I hate to agree with Elvis (Elvira) but he has him pegged on this one, though he is just as idiotic from the other angle.

ScatManDoo
01-22-22, 04:43
There is nothing there. Nothing will happen to Trump on the January 6 protest and you will still be talking about it next year while Biden destroys America.I am looking forward to seeing if Ivanka throws her Dad under the bus to save herself.

They gave her a very long letter hinting at what the committee knows she witnessed and wrote they want to confirm what she said (according to reports of others).

PVMonger
01-22-22, 05:05
Market is down 1500 points already this year. This must be the great democrat crash that you guys keep talking about.

Unfit for president because he Has Dementia!Biden has dementia? The great Dr. Canada speaks. Of course he can't provide anybody with a copy of his MD or anything else. I wonder why that is? Probably because "everybody knows" (which is his nonsensical answer to virtually everything).

EihTooms
01-22-22, 07:31
Market is down 1500 points already this year. This must be the great democrat crash that you guys keep talking about.

Unfit for president because he Has Dementia!As measured by the usual Wall Street and stock market investment industry standard S&P 500 Index, the market is currently down about 8.7% from its all-time record high close.

I wonder if we will finally hit at least one legitimate "Correction" level sometime soon. Which would be perfectly normal and, frankly, welcome after we've had some 70 all-time record high closes in just Biden's first year in office.

Oh, according to the 30 stocks in the Dow Jones Industrial Average, we're currently down 7. 2%, which is even further away from a useful, health-restoring "Correction" in the market.

BTW, was that where you got that "1500 points" number?

Well, if we're simply calculating from the first of this year, your way, the market is only down 3. 2% in the Dow and 7. 7% in the S&P, neither of which is nearly as terrifying as you presumably meant it to sound.

But I can't think of a very good reason to start calculating the rise or decline in the market starting from January 1 instead of from its recent all-time record closing high or low as would be done by anyone with as much instructive knowledge about the stock market as you purport to have.

What was your reasoning for doing it that way?

Well, actually, talking about these things in terms of "points" instead of percentages isn't very useful anyway. Particularly when we're talking about a market that has been growing in points for many, many decades.

You know how that works, right? For example, a market decline of, say, "3 points" from an all-time record high close of 6 points in an Index is much, much scarier and worse than a decline of 3,000 points in an Index that reached an all-time record high close of 36,952.

See what I mean? Just sayin'.

EihTooms
01-22-22, 08:15
"Presided over?" Don't let Tooms frame the argument by selling you loaded terms. A number of Democratic presidents "presided over" recessions including Wilson, Truman, and Carter. Heck he even tries to blame Lincoln for the Civil War because he was a Republican, when there was nothing he could do otherwise besides let the southern states go. Tooms is a partisan hack loudly working day and month out with a false dichotomy, Democrats all good, Republicans all bad even stretching back to the Civil War. It's absurd, and betrays someone familiar with hack internet sources as opposed to history. I hate to agree with Elvis (Elvira) but he has him pegged on this one, though he is just as idiotic from the other angle.BTW, Eisenhower's 3 Recessions, the third one beginning in 1960, however mild and unnoticed by you, accompanied one of the most "atrocious" jobs growth records of all time for any president. Which was not the case for either of the presidents in office in 1945 and post-WWII 1948. And most definitely not the case for the historically brief one that began under Carter, who was saddled with huge inflation challenges.

See, the term "presided over" is extremely useful in assessing what a POTUS does in response to Recessionary conditions. So we not only need to mark when 13 of the 17 Recessions of the past 100 years began, sorry Woodrow, but what did or didn't the POTUS do about it.

Clearly, the WWII, post-WWII and high unemployment rate plus "Long National Nightmare" conditions Carter inherited from Nixon / Ford along with the rising inflation problem were far more challenging than anything in the economy facing Eisenhower in 1953.

History then shows in addition to the 3 Recessions that began on his watch, he "presided" over one of the lowest and most "atriocious" 8 year average annual jobs growth percetages ever.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms

Axel Heyst
01-22-22, 15:40
Politics should not be all black and white. Trump is evil. Biden is good. Therefore when a liberal or conservative speaks to truth it should be noted.

https://youtu.be/8bQ2rctogOs

Canada
01-22-22, 16:35
I am looking forward to seeing if Ivanka throws her Dad under the bus to save herself.

They gave her a very long letter hinting at what the committee knows she witnessed and wrote they want to confirm what she said (according to reports of others).There isn't going to be anyone thrown under the bus. There is nothing criminal here and history will prove it. A year from now nothing will have happened on this issue and you guys will still be talking about it still trying to distract from Biden destroying America. This is another democrat witch hunt distraction trying to get the attention off of Biden failures.

Canada
01-22-22, 16:43
As measured by the usual Wall Street and stock market investment industry standard S&P 500 Index, the market is currently down about 8.7% from its all-time record high close.

I wonder if we will finally hit at least one legitimate "Correction" level sometime soon. Which would be perfectly normal and, frankly, welcome after we've had some 70 all-time record high closes in just Biden's first year in office.

Oh, according to the 30 stocks in the Dow Jones Industrial Average, we're currently down 7. 2%, which is even further away from a useful, health-restoring "Correction" in the market.

BTW, was that where you got that "1500 points" number?

Well, if we're simply calculating from the first of this year, your way, the market is only down 3. 2% in the Dow and 7. 7% in the S&P, neither of which is nearly as terrifying as you presumably meant it to sound.

But I can't think of a very good reason to start calculating the rise or decline in the market starting from January 1 instead of from its recent all-time record closing high or low as would be done by anyone with as much instructive knowledge about the stock market as you purport to have..The Dow is down 2100 points and 5.7% YTD. Please stop posting false numbers. It appears your only posts try to make Biden look better than the failure he is. With Biden trying to implement his policies this could get much worse. Fortunately there still are some smart democrats in congress keeping Biden disasters to a minimum.

PVMonger
01-22-22, 16:50
I am looking forward to seeing if Ivanka throws her Dad under the bus to save herself.

They gave her a very long letter hinting at what the committee knows she witnessed and wrote they want to confirm what she said (according to reports of others).Assuming that Ivanka actually testifies, here's how the testimony will go:

Committee: "Is your name Ivanka Trump?

Ivanka: "I refuse to answer that question and I assert my 5th Amendment rights. "

Committee: "Is Donald J. Trump your father?

Ivanka: "I refuse to answer that question and I assert my 5th Amendment rights. "

Committee: "Were you in the White House on January 6th, 2021?

Ivanka: "I refuse to answer that question and I assert my 5th Amendment rights. "

Committee: asking questions 4 - ?

Ivanka: "I refuse to answer that question and I assert my 5th Amendment rights. "

We all need to remember that the one-term, twice-impeached orange clown said that only the mob uses the 5th Amendment and it makes them look guilty. Right, Canada?

Paulie97
01-22-22, 22:47
The 50's was a great era for unions, American industry, and growth of the American middle class, bottom line. I also told you about three Democratic presidents who had recessions or "crashes" if we want to use your partisan hyperbole. No amount of singing and dancing or repetition of the same tired phrases, "both siderism" (Yawns) will ever change that. Truth is truth.

P.S. Are you really living in the Land of Smiles? Assuming you have the disposable income to do so, why don't you take a break from the computer and your ad nauseamism and go get laid? Just a suggestion.

Xpartan
01-22-22, 22:47
Market is down 1500 points already this year. This must be the great democrat crash that you guys keep talking about.

Unfit for president because he Has Dementia!Already this year? "This year" as you put it, has been the whole 22 days, which happened to coincide with unprecedented rise of Omicron. Oh humanity!

When Covid began spreading, The Stable Genius lost 10,000 points, but that was fine by you, right?

When DJIA crashed 2,500 points in Jan 2018 were you concerned?

How about a 3,000 points plunge later in December? No Covid back then, huh?


"Presided over?" Don't let Tooms frame the argument by selling you loaded terms. A number of Democratic presidents "presided over" recessions including Wilson, Truman, and Carter. Heck he even tries to blame Lincoln for the Civil War because he was a Republican, when there was nothing he could do otherwise besides let the southern states go. Tooms is a partisan hack loudly working day and month out with a false dichotomy, Democrats all good, Republicans all bad even stretching back to the Civil War. It's absurd, and betrays someone familiar with hack internet sources as opposed to history. I hate to agree with Elvis (Elvira) but he has him pegged on this one, though he is just as idiotic from the other angle.Calling him a hack is unfair. I checked his link and found it credible. I think you should remove all recessions caused largely by external factors (Lincoln, Truman and Wilson should not be the part of this argument due to the magnitude of the calamities they had to deal with). But if you're objective, you'll still have to come to the same conclusion. Republican presidents HAVE PRESIDED over many more recessions than the Democrats. Sorry, but that's what the numbers tell you.

Now, these numbers may not be as straightforward as the OP sees them. There might be other factors that need to be taken into account. But at least his opinions are based on facts, while "opinions" of the likes of Elvis, Canada and that fake ex-Democrat over here, are based on -- wait, there is a scientific term for it, I think it's called brain fart.

And no, I'm not a Democrat, I've never been a Democrat, I don't believe that Democrats are blameless in all our ills, but that doesn't matter. The modern Republican Party is toxic, anti-democratic, and anti-American. Sorry, but faced with two evils, I choose the lesser one.

Canada
01-22-22, 23:01
Already this year? "This year" as you put it, has been the whole 22 days, which happened to coincide with unprecedented rise of Omicron. Oh humanity!

When Covid began spreading, The Stable Genius lost 10,000 points, but that was fine by you, right?

When DJIA crashed 2,500 points in Jan 2018 were you concerned?

How about a 3,000 points plunge later in December? No Covid back then, huh?

Calling him a hack is unfair. I checked his link and found it credible. I think you should remove all recessions caused largely by external factors (Lincoln, Truman and Wilson should not be the part of this argument due to the magnitude of the calamities they had to deal with). But if you're objective, you'll still have to come to the same conclusion. Republican presidents HAVE PRESIDED over many more recessions than the Democrats. Sorry, but that's what the numbers tell you.

Now, these numbers may not be as straightforward as the OP sees them. There might be other factors that need to be taken into account. But at least his opinions are based on facts, while "opinions" of the likes of Elvis, Canada and that fake ex-Democrat over here, are based on -- wait, there is a scientific term for it, I think it's called brain fart..Democrats are embarrassed by this presidency, the squad and political wokeness. The true democrats in congress are protecting us from socialism. Democratic Party has the presidency, the House and the senate and can't get anything done. They are trying to push a socialist agenda and the republicans and democrats aren't buying it. The American people aren't buying it.

Cali Guy
01-23-22, 00:50
Already this year? "This year" as you put it, has been the whole 22 days, which happened to coincide with unprecedented rise of Omicron. Oh humanity!

When Covid began spreading, The Stable Genius lost 10,000 points, but that was fine by you, right?

When DJIA crashed 2,500 points in Jan 2018 were you concerned?

How about a 3,000 points plunge later in December? No Covid back then, huh?

Calling him a hack is unfair. I checked his link and found it credible. I think you should remove all recessions caused largely by external factors (Lincoln, Truman and Wilson should not be the part of this argument due to the magnitude of the calamities they had to deal with). But if you're objective, you'll still have to come to the same conclusion. Republican presidents HAVE PRESIDED over many more recessions than the Democrats. Sorry, but that's what the numbers tell you.

Now, these numbers may not be as straightforward as the OP sees them. There might be other factors that need to be taken into account. But at least his opinions are based on facts, while "opinions" of the likes of Elvis, Canada and that fake ex-Democrat over here, are based on -- wait, there is a scientific term for it, I think it's called brain fart..I believe you that you are not a democrat. You are definitely a socialist. Your posts gave you away.

ScatManDoo
01-23-22, 01:48
There isn't going to be anyone thrown under the bus. There is nothing criminal here and history will prove it. A year from now nothing will have happened on this issue and you guys will still be talking about it still trying to distract from Biden destroying America. This is another democrat witch hunt distraction trying to get the attention off of Biden failures.Among the charges Trump himself could be hit with are "criminal solicitation to commit election fraud", or.

Intentional interference with performance of election duties, or.

Conspiracy to commit election fraud, or.

Criminal solicitation, or.

State RICO violations.

And that is only concerning his actions regarding his fighting the correct election results only in the State of Georgia.

A different list exists for Wisconson, Pennsylvania, Arizona and even other states.

Donald Trump is a criminal and he belongs in jail.

EihTooms
01-23-22, 05:26
The Dow is down 2100 points and 5.7% YTD. Please stop posting false numbers. It appears your only posts try to make Biden look better than the failure he is. With Biden trying to implement his policies this could get much worse. Fortunately there still are some smart democrats in congress keeping Biden disasters to a minimum.The percentage amount I posted was for Thursday's close and it took several hours for the moderator to post my message. You're talking about Friday's close. Well, I guess that means your "1500 points" YTD number was "false", too. LOL.

PVMonger
01-23-22, 06:05
There isn't going to be anyone thrown under the bus. There is nothing criminal here and history will prove it. A year from now nothing will have happened on this issue and you guys will still be talking about it still trying to distract from Biden destroying America. This is another democrat witch hunt distraction trying to get the attention off of Biden failures.Nobody is distracting from anything. Well, the fascists are. Because the last thing the fascists want is for a light to shine on January 6th. That's why the fascists are howling at the moon about Biden.

Sorry but We The People, the people with brains (not RethugliKKKans) won't let you off the hook. Fascists were the ones who tried to stage a coup. The fact that they were stupid (remember that the one-term, twice impeached former guy liked them that way) meant that they failed.

Ivanka might not throw Daddy under the bus but, frankly, it doesn't matter. History will prove that RethugliKKKans are idiots.

EihTooms
01-23-22, 06:09
The 50's was a great era for unions, American industry, and growth of the American middle class, bottom line. I also told you about three Democratic presidents who had recessions or "crashes" if we want to use your partisan hyperbole. No amount of singing and dancing or repetition of the same tired phrases, "both siderism" (Yawns) will ever change that. Truth is truth.

P.S. Are you really living in the Land of Smiles? Assuming you have the disposable income to do so, why don't you take a break from the computer and your ad nauseamism and go get laid? Just a suggestion.You couldn't be more wrong in one post if you tried. Maybe you tried.

The Eisenhower presidency was OK. But he took the perfectly benign economic conditions he inherited from Truman and produced and presided over three Recessions, none of which had much if anything at all to do with the Korean War and one of the worst jobs creation results of any president unless, like Obama, he had taken over just as another Great Repub Crash and Massive Jobs Destruction Event was occurring as he took the Oath of Office. Which he did not.

The bottom line is every major Union in America enthusiastically endorsed Kennedy in 1960 and not Eisenhower's "great era for unions, American industry, and growth of the American middle class" VP.

Eisenhower's jobs creation results would have been even worse than merely among the worst if he had not pulled out from the files FDR's already planned and designed New Deal proposal to build the Interstate Highway that was put on hold when we entered WWII.

Eisenhower was a typical Do Nothing Repub who never met an opportunity to stand by while a Recession formed and came to fruition pass him by. And when it did, the only things he could think to do about it was make it worse. Again, typically Repub.

Yes, he gets kudos for not appearing to produce a Great Recession on purpose the way other Repubs appeared to do over the decades. But he stood by and / or started three of them in just 8 years anyway. Likening this pro-Recession penchant for Repubs to the act of an arsonist, the next time I attend the Firefighter's Booster Club I will regale them about this kindly old arsonist I knew in the 1950's who didn't have the heart to burn the house, garage and family business down to the ground as his brothers did. He only destroyed a couple of bedrooms and a master bathroom. Not so bad. See? I will close by assuring them there are are very fine people on "both sides. "

But the thing you are most wrong about is in not recognizing I differentiate between a Recession and a "Great" Recession, which is one that at least does serious damage to the employment numbers and jobs creation. Such as the one under Hoover, Reagan, Bush2 and Trump over the past 100 years.

I know you want to remind us that Woodrow Wilson had a Recession back in 1920, as did Truman in 1948 and Carter in 1980. But I really don't think we are comparing apples to oranges when we talk about presidency prior to the Federal Reserve Board being up and running, doing that they were established to do and not in the midst of either WWI or WWII vs those who had the Fed going strong during their presidencies. 100 years of history and 17 Recessions with all but 4 of them starting under Repubs and all of the "Great" ones starting and thriving under Repubs is plenty of time and examples to notice an astonishing pattern of Repub's producing and presiding over essentially every Recession and definitely every "Great" Recession we've had during that time.

Neither the Truman nor the Carter Recession could possibly be considered "Great. " The unemployment rate spiked up to no more than 7. 9% for Truman and 7. 8% for Carter and in each case for no more than a single month. In addition to which their average annual jobs creation numbers still came in good to great.

Not so with Hoover, Eisenhower, Nixon / Ford, Reagan, Bush1, Bush2 or Trump. We're talking about Recessions with double digit unemployment rates or very near it for several months, some of the worst average annual jobs creation records ever and in at least 4 of those presidencies, millions upon millions of jobs lost.

LOL. Thank you for your concern about my getting laid and let's not forget getting sucked. But it turns out I have plenty of time to get very well laid and sucked by a variety of young ladies here virtually any time I want while still being able to post truthful messages with full substantiation in just 30 minutes or so here and there. No problem. That's just another blatantly pro-Repub "Bothsider" tactic; try to silence the truth-tellers and allow the loony made up stuff about Repubs prevail. It is my pleasure to tell the truth about these things. And it doesn't interfere with my pleasure in getting laid and sucked one bit.

EihTooms
01-23-22, 06:19
Democrats are embarrassed by this presidency, the squad and political wokeness. The true democrats in congress are protecting us from socialism. Democratic Party has the presidency, the House and the senate and can't get anything done. They are trying to push a socialist agenda and the republicans and democrats aren't buying it. The American people aren't buying it.What the 50 Repubs and 2 Dems in the Senate "protected" America from by not voting for the Build Back Better Act was reduced inflation and dramatically reduced child and health care costs:

If the Senate wants to address inflation, it should pass Build Back Better

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/585714-if-the-senate-wants-to-address-inflation-it-should-pass-build-back-better

And all for less initial cost than the cost of the godawful Trump / Repub so-called Tax and Jobs Act that accomplished nothing except produce fewer jobs in the three years pre-Trump's Pandemic with it than the three prior years without it.

But there is still time to separate some parts of it and make sure every American has the opportunity to see exactly who votes against reduced inflation, child and healthcare costs before the midterms.

EihTooms
01-23-22, 07:55
Already this year? "This year" as you put it, has been the whole 22 days, which happened to coincide with unprecedented rise of Omicron. Oh humanity!

When Covid began spreading, The Stable Genius lost 10,000 points, but that was fine by you, right?

When DJIA crashed 2,500 points in Jan 2018 were you concerned?

How about a 3,000 points plunge later in December? No Covid back then, huh?

Calling him a hack is unfair. I checked his link and found it credible. I think you should remove all recessions caused largely by external factors (Lincoln, Truman and Wilson should not be the part of this argument due to the magnitude of the calamities they had to deal with). But if you're objective, you'll still have to come to the same conclusion. Republican presidents HAVE PRESIDED over many more recessions than the Democrats. Sorry, but that's what the numbers tell you.

Now, these numbers may not be as straightforward as the OP sees them. There might be other factors that need to be taken into account. But at least his opinions are based on facts, while "opinions" of the likes of Elvis, Canada and that fake ex-Democrat over here, are based on -- wait, there is a scientific term for it, I think it's called brain fart..Imo, likening Repubs to American democracy detractors and arsonists and Dems to American democracy defenders and firefighters in this regard is totally valid.

For many, many decades, Repubs have carved out a niche in the political scene to prove that this government of the people doesn't work; "Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem," said the Repub Party's most iconic leader to war whoops and cheers from his devoted followers. And he wasn't talking about some monarchy or dictatorship in a far away land. No, he was talking about this government of, by and for the American people. The Big Lie "Stop the Steal" Anti-American Democracy Insurrectionist Leader is the second greatest icon of the Republican Party. And not a random choice, either. By passionate and heartfelt design.

Sorry, but Abe and Teddy don't count since there is no way either of them wouldn't be shut out of the first Repub primary debate based on their "woke" critical race theory and tree-hugging environmental sensibilities. Oh, and they were both more than 100 years ago so who gives a fuck.

Repubs are either happy to just stand by while a fire smolders and rages in every corner of the American economic house or, if that isn't enough to prove how "government doesn't work", they'll happily soak it with fuel and strike a match. Their record of negative results and everything their leaders have proposed and passed certainly proves that point.

Dems try to show that this government of, by and for the American people does work. And their record of positive results and everything their leaders have proposed and passed proves that point as well.

That has nothing to do with whether or not Dems are "all good" and Repubs are "all bad" or that Dems are blameless when things don't go as well as planned or that Repubs contributed nothing to a positive outcome even if by accident.

It's just that searching for shades of grey on this issue is a silly mental exercise.

It is a silly and insignificant point to even try to make in light of the fact that 13 of the 17 Recessions in the past 100 years as cited by the truly official go-to source for these things, NBER, started under Repubs, including all of the half dozen or so "Great" ones while the 4 under Dems were probably the only ones that could not be avoided or the Dems would have avoided them. And they were mitigated and resolved by those Dems so quickly they are among the briefest and most insignificant blips on the radar of America's economic history.

Are there thieves and liars in both parties. Even a relative failure or two? Sure. So what?

Are there thieves and liars among firefighters and saintly grandma's among arsonists? Sure. So what?

I still can't think of one good reason to work very hard to find and cite "very fine people on both sides. " The stakes have always been too high to waste time and effort on silliness like that.

It's really worse than silliness. We arrived at Trump and the spectacular mess of death and economic destruction he made of everything right up to the greatest threat to American democracy since the Civil War every bit as much from the efforts of "Bothsiders" as the from efforts of those who whoop and cheer whenever one of their Repub leaders recall and restate Reagan's declaration of war against America, the America-hating screeds of Rush Limbaugh in the past, Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity now and almost everyone else who ever hosted a show on FUX News Channel.

Elvis 2008
01-23-22, 11:46
I believe you that you are not a democrat. You are definitely a socialist. Your posts gave you away.Yeah exactly. Presidents do not create jobs. If they are doing their jobs right, they are like refs in a football game. They cannot create a great game but they sure as hell can ruin it. Nixon put price controls on oil, supply cratered, and he fucked up the economy. Carter thought the answer was to wear sweaters and ration gasoline (seriously) and Reagan came in and got rid of the price controls and oil was cheap and plentiful for decades, and the economy zoomed. I do not think party affiliation had anything to do with anything, one president was smart and two were morons. Reagan really did not do anything. He just let the players play and made the game fair.

What I have seen now is Republicans are more honest than Dems. Here are quotes of someone I agree with:

"If Democrats had just figured a way to deliver a few things for ordinary people over the years, they would never have lost again. The formula was obvious. Single-payer health care, bulk negotiation of drug prices, antitrust action against Too Big To Fail banks or Silicon Valley's surveillance monopolists really anything that demonstrates a willingness to prioritize voters over the takeover artists and CEOs who fund the party would have given them enduring credibility. Do that, while retaining at least a sliver of the reputation for fighting for civil rights won in the sixties, and how can you lose, ever?

I am in favor of all four of those items and care deeply about civil rights. The Democrats could deliver on all those items right now, but they will not. If any of these five issues came to a vote, and they won't, they will play the game Glenn Greenwald talked about where one Democrat votes against the bill so it fails and the Dems curse Republicans.

But my biggest gripe is who Biden's biggest supporters are: "Democrats under Biden have become the party of the nomenklatura. Their base is the slice of hyper-educated, jargon-spouting bureaucrats whose ranks are growing thanks to their skill at siphoning resources to themselves before they have a chance to reach a wider base of regular people. These new commissars are the most hated people in the country, and they're the Democrats' main constituency. Even species of viper and corporate parasite is swimming in riches now all thriving but lionized so long as they mask appropriately and genuflect to "norms. " Meanwhile, the party increasingly demonizes every species of complaining underclass person as a right-wing enemy, even the minorities."

Thing about the Democratic douches is how clueless they are about who they vote for.

This is what the same author said about Biden:

"The younger Biden was a feisty, unscrupulous hawk who affected to be a champion of the little guy while selling them out to the credit industry."

And they expect him to get drug prices down? That is why the Democratic douches are crazy. All Biden will do is blame high drug prices on Republicans and maybe saying it while wearing a sweater.

PVMonger
01-23-22, 16:52
I believe you that you are not a democrat. You are definitely a socialist. Your posts gave you away.Your posts paint you as a perfect supporter of the one-term, twice-impeached former guy. Remember that he said that he liked his supporters to have room-temperature IQs.

He, too, called Democrats "socialists", "communists" etcetera because their stances were more left than his (and your) beliefs that slavery and the holocaust were great ideas.

He, too, is a fascist. He, too, is a racist. He, too, is a xenophobe. He, too, is a homophobe. He, too, is a misogynist. He, too, wanted to take America back to the 1850's when it was legal to own people and only white, straight, male property-owners could vote.

But the real reason the one-term, twice-impeached former guy likes his supporters to have a room-temperature IQ is because he knows that they won't be able to think for themselves. They need to be told what to think and that's the purpose of calling everything except wingnut propaganda mills "fake news."

Your posts give you away.

Canada
01-23-22, 18:45
What the 50 Repubs and 2 Dems in the Senate "protected" America from by not voting for the Build Back Better Act was reduced inflation and dramatically reduced child and health care costs:

If the Senate wants to address inflation, it should pass Build Back Better

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/585714-if-the-senate-wants-to-address-inflation-it-should-pass-build-back-better

And all for less initial cost than the cost of the godawful Trump / Repub so-called Tax and Jobs Act that accomplished nothing except produce fewer jobs in the three years pre-Trump's Pandemic with it than the three prior years without it.

But there is still time to separate some parts of it and make sure every American has the opportunity to see exactly who votes against reduced inflation, child and healthcare costs before the midterms.52 smart senators voted to stop increasing inflation. These 52 smart senators deserve an award for stopping Biden and far left from reckless spending. These senators are hero's and the American people are grateful. The American people know who voted to save America and they know the 48 dumb asses who tried to push this far left wishlist. This proves most democrats are smart.

Canada
01-23-22, 18:49
Nobody is distracting from anything. Well, the fascists are. Because the last thing the fascists want is for a light to shine on January 6th. That's why the fascists are howling at the moon about Biden.

Sorry but We The People, the people with brains (not RethugliKKKans) won't let you off the hook. Fascists were the ones who tried to stage a coup. The fact that they were stupid (remember that the one-term, twice impeached former guy liked them that way) meant that they failed.

Ivanka might not throw Daddy under the bus but, frankly, it doesn't matter. History will prove that RethugliKKKans are idiots.History will prove again that nothing is going to happen to Trump from January 6 protest. Just like nothing happened to Trump with Russia collusion. This is just a far left fantasy that they can talk about over and over and over again because they need to distract their mind from Biden failures. Nothing will happen and the idiots are going to repeat it over and over and over again.

Cali Guy
01-23-22, 18:55
What the 50 Repubs and 2 Dems in the Senate "protected" America from by not voting for the Build Back Better Act was reduced inflation and dramatically reduced child and health care costs:

If the Senate wants to address inflation, it should pass Build Back Better

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/585714-if-the-senate-wants-to-address-inflation-it-should-pass-build-back-better

And all for less initial cost than the cost of the godawful Trump / Repub so-called Tax and Jobs Act that accomplished nothing except produce fewer jobs in the three years pre-Trump's Pandemic with it than the three prior years without it.

But there is still time to separate some parts of it and make sure every American has the opportunity to see exactly who votes against reduced inflation, child and healthcare costs before the midterms.Thank you to the 50 republicans and 2 democrats who stopped another big wasteful spending spree. BBB would have dramatically increased inflation and hurt the majority of Americans.

ScatManDoo
01-23-22, 19:51
Ivanka might not throw Daddy under the bus but, frankly, it doesn't matter. History will prove that RethugliKKKans are idiots.I think a big surprise is in the works.

You are right that TrumpShit is going down no matter what.

But Ivanka turned 40 years old last year, and the rest of her life is with her same-age husband, not some 75 year old hamburgler.

Ivanka and Jerod ran as fast as possible from TrumpShit.

I don't think they have been in the same room since they fled soon after the failed coup.

Ivanka & Jared have a simple choice (I think they made it in January right after Ivanka tried to talk daddy down from his glee over the rioting).

TrumpShit will definitely drag Ivanka down with the corruption of The Trump Oganization's frauds.

Unless she breaks free.

Any good student of Grandpa Fred Trump and Roy Cohn know that when someone's becomes a problem.

You best dump them in the gutter.

Or prison, where they can no longer hurt you.

There never was any room in the Kosher home that Jared and Ivanka keep.

Just room for the kids, that need both of their parents.

Jared is a lifelong democrat that gave money when Hilary ran in 2008.

That was the year where Jared gave his endorsement to Barack Obama in his campaign against John McCain.

Ivanka is a real Trump. She demands loyalty.

But doesn't give any if it costs.

Donald Trump is a criminal and he belongs in jail, with Ivanka's help, or not.

Ivanka is going to help herself.

PVMonger
01-23-22, 20:51
Thank you to the 50 republicans and 2 democrats who stopped another big wasteful spending spree. BBB would have dramatically increased inflation and hurt the majority of Americans.And yet the majority of Americans (70% by some reports) support the BBB plan. https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2021/12/23/build-back-better-was-popular-all-year and https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/bidens-build-back-better-framework-supported-over-half-americans-110321.

Of course, since the poll contradicts the narrative for the fascists, they will say that polls don't mean anything. What they really mean is that polls they don't agree with don't mean anything. Polls that they agree with are valid.

In fact, 50 RethugliKKKan Senators represent something less than 25% of the American people.

PVMonger
01-23-22, 20:56
History will prove again that nothing is going to happen to Trump from January 6 protest. Just like nothing happened to Trump with Russia collusion. This is just a far left fantasy that they can talk about over and over and over again because they need to distract their mind from Biden failures. Nothing will happen and the idiots are going to repeat it over and over and over again.What's with the "collusion thing"? First, Mueller didn't investigate collusion. The fact that fascists bring it up continually proves that they really do have room-temperature IQs.

You can howl at the moon all you want but the House Committee will hold public hearings and those hearings will prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt that the one-term, twice-impeached former guy tried to stage a coup. The fact that he and his henchmen were incompetent will come as a surprise to absolutely nobody.

Xpartan
01-23-22, 21:01
History will prove again that nothing is going to happen to Trump from January 6 protest. Just like nothing happened to Trump with Russia collusion.If there was one word to describe what's wrong with this country nowadays, that would be cowardice.

Despite the litany of criminal charges that should've been brought against Trump already, he's yet to be charged with anything.

I mean, just his RECORDED phone conversation with Georgia officials when he's OPENLY PRESSING them to change the votes in his favor -- how can it possibly NOT be criminal, for fuck's sake? That's a third world territory.

It's impossible to believe that anyone other than Trump could've blatantly committed so many criminal offences, one after another, in broad daylight and gotten away with it. Who's Teflon Don now?

Mindboggling, really.

Cali Guy
01-23-22, 21:07
And yet the majority of Americans (70% by some reports) support the BBB plan. https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2021/12/23/build-back-better-was-popular-all-year and https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/bidens-build-back-better-framework-supported-over-half-americans-110321.

Of course, since the poll contradicts the narrative for the fascists, they will say that polls don't mean anything. What they really mean is that polls they don't agree with don't mean anything. Polls that they agree with are valid.

In fact, 50 RethugliKKKan Senators represent something less than 25% of the American people.70% I favor of BBB is a fabricated number by the far left only to be found on liberal fake news sites. Republicans, democrats and independents are against BBB. Only ones for it are Biden, far left, socialists and fools.

52 senators got it right and the American people are grateful.

Cali Guy
01-23-22, 21:09
If there was one word to describe what's wrong with this country nowadays, that would be cowardice.

Despite the litany of criminal charges that should've been brought against Trump already, he's yet to be charged with anything.

I mean, just his RECORDED phone conversation with Georgia officials when he's OPENLY PRESSING them to change the votes in his favor -- how can it possibly NOT be criminal, for fuck's sake? That's a third world territory.

It's impossible to believe that anyone other than Trump could've blatantly committed so many criminal offences, one after another, in broad daylight and gotten away with it. Who's Teflon Don now?

Mindboggling, really.You are wrong. Hunter Biden has gotten away with far more crimes than Trump and him and his dad are profiting daily from it.

Xpartan
01-23-22, 21:56
70% I favor of BBB is a fabricated number by the far left only to be found on liberal fake news sites. Republicans, democrats and independents are against BBB. Only ones for it are Biden, far left, socialists and fools.Our resident fake ex-democrat is at it again.


A recent Reuters/Ipsos poll finds that over half of Americans (56%) support the Build Back Better Framework, but that support is primarily driven by Democrats. Eighty-three percent of Democrats support the plan, while only 28% of Republicans do. However, although support for the plan is split along party lines, individual components of the plan garner high support from all Americans. Expanding Medicare coverage gets the most support (80%), followed by imposing a 5% tax on incomes of over $10 million a year (70%), and universal preschool (69%). Investing in the immigration system (53%) and imposing a 15% minimum corporate tax (56%) are least supported, with the lack of support primarily from Republicans. Finally, 57% think Americans would be positively impacted, and a majority think they would personally benefit from the bill being passed.

The sample includes 449 Democrats, 381 Republicans, and 91 independents.

PVMonger
01-23-22, 22:10
70% I favor of BBB is a fabricated number by the far left only to be found on liberal fake news sites. Republicans, democrats and independents are against BBB. Only ones for it are Biden, far left, socialists and fools.

52 senators got it right and the American people are grateful.When it comes to the fascist Republican party, Forrest's contention that "You can't fix stupid" is on the money. And everybody knows it.

Cali Guy
01-23-22, 23:10
Our resident fake ex-democrat is at it again.Biden and I don't believe in polls. Just agreeing with Sleepy Joe on me thing. BBB was bad for the American people and that is why it was defeated. Common sense.

Cali Guy
01-24-22, 02:06
When it comes to the fascist Republican party, Forrest's contention that "You can't fix stupid" is on the money. And everybody knows it.Yes your posts prove it. Forrest knows you well.

PVMonger
01-24-22, 02:07
70% I favor of BBB is a fabricated number by the far left only to be found on liberal fake news sites. Republicans, democrats and independents are against BBB. Only ones for it are Biden, far left, socialists and fools.

52 senators got it right and the American people are grateful.The only thing that is fabricated is your fact free posts. To paraphrase Sir Winston Churchill "Never have so many posts in so short amount of time contained so few facts".

EihTooms
01-24-22, 03:34
Yeah exactly. Presidents do not create jobs. If they are doing their jobs right, they are like refs in a football game. They cannot create a great game but they sure as hell can ruin it. Nixon put price controls on oil, supply cratered, and he fucked up the economy. Carter thought the answer was to wear sweaters and ration gasoline (seriously) and Reagan came in and got rid of the price controls and oil was cheap and plentiful for decades, and the economy zoomed. I do not think party affiliation had anything to do with anything, one president was smart and two were morons. Reagan really did not do anything. He just let the players play and made the game fair.

What I have seen now is Republicans are more honest than Dems. Here are quotes of someone I agree with:

"If Democrats had just figured a way to deliver a few things for ordinary people over the years, they would never have lost again. The formula was obvious. Single-payer health care, bulk negotiation of drug prices, antitrust action against Too Big To Fail banks or Silicon Valley's surveillance monopolists really anything that demonstrates a willingness to prioritize voters over the takeover artists and CEOs who fund the party would have given them enduring credibility..LOL. That's priceless. You open by asserting that presidents don't create jobs and then launch into a description of what Reagan did to improve the economy and create jobs. Yes, he did things to produce and preside over what was then the deepest Great Repub Recession since the Great Repub Depression of the late 1920's / early 1930's, drove the unemployment rate into ten consecutive months of 10%+ figures and achieved a final annual average jobs creation record that pales in comparison to Carter, LBJ and Clinton, each of whom did the exact opposite of what Reagan did.

But you certainly made your point that presidents do indeed create or destroy jobs and can produce and preside over Great Recessions or avert and avoid them.

Far from being mere refs, Presidents are stewards of the economy. They propose what goes or does not go into budgets and legislation. They lay out full economic agendas.

Of course, it is then up to Congress to go with it or reject it. And history clearly shows when Repub presidents largely get their way, as Reagan did in his first year in office, what follows is economic disaster and all too often a Great Recession vs when Dem presidents largely get their way, as happened for FDR, LBJ, Clinton, Obama and even Biden so far, what follows is historic jobs creation, economic expansion and, guess what, no Great Recessions.

Presidents are faced with dozens of economic decisions on proposals and plans every day that can either lead to more jobs created and economic expansion for the country or to jobs destruction and economic contraction.

The actual historical data and record of results of at least the past 100 years show Dem presidents overwhelmingly choose to support and promote the former while Repub presidents, including Reagan, overwhelmingly choose to support and promote the latter.

PVMonger
01-24-22, 05:02
You are wrong. Hunter Biden has gotten away with far more crimes than Trump and him and his dad are profiting daily from it.There is exactly as much evidence of Hunter Biden's supposed crimes as there is in the once-term, twice-impeached former guy's lawsuits about the 2020 election being stolen. None.

PVMonger
01-24-22, 05:44
Speaking for an impressive 1 hour and 51 minutes, President Joe Biden delivered the question that should define the rest of 2022, "What are Republicans for?

For the first year of the Biden presidency, Republicans have been able to universally oppose the Biden agenda while escaping scrutiny to offer alternatives. It's hardly surprising for a political party that didn't even bother to write a party platform at their last political convention. But the media's penchant for diving head-first into "Democrats in disarray" narratives while so casually accepting GOP obstructionism is a tremendous disservice to the American people.

You cannot chronicle the Biden administration's perceived shortcomings addressing COVID-19 without first acknowledging the context that the Republican Party has done anything and everything possible to sabotage life-saving health care initiatives and promote misinformation.

You cannot report on efforts to protect voting rights in America without first talking about the 19 states that have enacted new voting restriction laws or the unanimous opposition from Republicans in Congress to measures that would shore up the right to vote.

You cannot chastise the president for not having enough news conferences or doing enough interviews without pointing out that "the former guy" told more than 30,000 lies in four years.

When you look at some of the takeaways that followed the president's news conference, it's not hard to understand why he does so few of them.

Politico led with the headline "Biden breaks up with Bernie." In actuality, Biden was answering a loaded question about trying to "pull the country so far to the left." What he said was, "you guys have been trying to convince me that I am Bernie Sanders. I'm not. I like him, but I'm not Bernie Sanders. I'm not a socialist. I'm a mainstream Democrat, and I have been. " On what planet is that a breakup?

The Washington Post's "analysis" was headlined, "Biden's marathon Q&A forces White House to play cleanup – twice. " The so-called cleanup centered on the president saying out loud what everyone around the world knows to be true about the situation between Russia and Ukraine and acknowledging the obvious reality that the Republican Party's efforts to sabotage democracy may in fact impact the legitimacy of elections to come.

Who deserves more scrutiny?

I guess the media would prefer that next time Biden just flat-out lies to them. Do they really miss President Donald Trump that much?

Biden and Democrats have offered the American people an ambitious and robust policy agenda. One so popular that Republicans such as Rep. Ashley Hinson are taking credit for its successes despite voting against them.

Looking ahead to the coming year and the midterm election, the media should not allow Republicans to get away with just saying "no" to everything and anything. Rather than fixate on two senators in the Democratic Caucus, maybe spend some time looking at the 50 who have an "are" next to their name.

Rather than labeling the Democratic agenda as too far "left," maybe ask the Republicans to produce their own alternatives. Rather than parsing the truthful words of a president acting in good faith, maybe pay more attention to the avalanche of lies being told every single day by the GOP. Rather than clinging to the outdated notion of "both sides," maybe adapt to the times and start calling things as they are, rather than how you wish they were.

Ask yourself, who deserves more scrutiny: a president who acts with integrity, sincerity and honesty or the party that believes the free press is the "enemy of the people."

The fascists believe that it is the former and not the latter.

EihTooms
01-24-22, 07:07
Biden and I don't believe in polls. Just agreeing with Sleepy Joe on me thing. BBB was bad for the American people and that is why it was defeated. Common sense.Actually, that isn't really what Biden said:

Biden: 'I don't believe the polls'

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/590512-biden-i-dont-believe-the-polls


President Biden told reporters on Wednesday that he doesn't believe the public opinion polls indicating his waning approval rating among moderates and independents.

Asked by McClatchy White House correspondent Francesca Chambers how he plans to win back moderates and independents who voted for him in 2020 but, according to polls, are now unhappy with his job performance, Biden responded I dont believe the polls."BTW, that RCP Poll of Polls thing that momentarily showed Biden's Job Approval Rating below 41% for the first time and on his 1 year anniversary in office that got wingers all excited even though it was still higher than Trump's was on his 1st year anniversary?

I said at the time they had until 12 Noon on the 20th to jam in another Rasmussen or Trafalgar poll or two and maybe they can help lift Trump out of another humiliating defeat against Biden on something for a change.

Well, that is exactly what RCP did! They jammed in another Rasmussen poll dated the 20th, I mean. And a FUX News poll!

Unfortunately for them, the result as of this writing is that Biden's Job Approval Rating on their Poll of Polls went back up to 41.2%.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

Canada
01-24-22, 16:21
Speaking for an impressive 1 hour and 51 minutes, President Joe Biden delivered the question that should define the rest of 2022, "What are Republicans for?

For the first year of the Biden presidency, Republicans have been able to universally oppose the Biden agenda while escaping scrutiny to offer alternatives. It's hardly surprising for a political party that didn't even bother to write a party platform at their last political convention. But the media's penchant for diving head-first into "Democrats in disarray" narratives while so casually accepting GOP obstructionism is a tremendous disservice to the American people.

You cannot chronicle the Biden administration's perceived shortcomings addressing COVID-19 without first acknowledging the context that the Republican Party has done anything and everything possible to sabotage life-saving health care initiatives and promote misinformation.

You cannot report on efforts to protect voting rights in America without first talking about the 19 states that have enacted new voting restriction laws or the unanimous opposition from Republicans in Congress to measures that would shore up the right to vote.The only ones that thought Biden speech was impress was China and Putin. I fortunately we don't have a president with integrity. We have a president that is a puppet for Putin and who is failing the American people. The American people know he has gone to far left. He lied to the public when he said he was a moderate. He has not tried to pass one moderate agenda. His BBB was just another big socialist give away that would have raised inflation even higher. Thank god for the GOP and a couple smart democrats who really are moderate. But the socialists hatred is severe for a moderate democrat these days.

PVMonger
01-24-22, 16:36
Yes your posts prove it. Forrest knows you well.The difference between your posts and my posts is that my posts generally contain sources. Your posts typically contain no sources and usually contain the words "fake news".

Cali Guy
01-24-22, 18:39
The difference between your posts and my posts is that my posts generally contain sources. Your posts typically contain no sources and usually contain the words "fake news".Your fake sources are still lies. Quoting fake news sources are lies so why do you bother to waste our time with them.

Cali Guy
01-24-22, 18:44
Biden's weak foreign policy is definitely making the market take a hit. Another bad day for Biden. He has only had 370 bad days in his presidency though. As bad as Trump was Biden is making him look great again. I think the majority of Americans can see that Trump was considerably better than Biden. Who would have guessed?

Xpartan
01-24-22, 23:25
I fortunately we don't have a president with integrity. We have a president that is a puppet for Putin and who is failing the American people. See, we USED TO have a president who was a puppet for Putin, and I wonder why it never bothered you at all.

But you can relax, he's gone now.

Axel Heyst
01-24-22, 23:45
See, we USED TO have a president who was a puppet for Putin, and I wonder why it never bothered you at all.

But you can relax, he's gone now.Come on man! Use your common sense. If Trump were Putin's puppet than why did Putin postpone invading the Ukraine until Uncle Joe became President. The answer is as plain as the nose on your face. Putin knew that if Russia invaded the Ukraine while Trump was in the White House, Trump would have destroyed the Russian Economy by cutting off all of Russia's financial access to the Western Banking System. What is Joe going to do? Well, we shall see and if I am wrong about Joe Biden I will admit. But I seriously doubt Uncle Joe will do more than make a teleprompter rehearsed speech and issue a few minor sanctions.

X. I have given you the benefit of the doubt up to now because I thought you are an actual punter and have made some ISG contributions to the Brazil forums. But if you keep going on with this delusional RussiaRussiaRussia, TrumpTrumpTrump, HillaryHillaryHillary BS, I will have to adjust my opinion of you downward. Open your eyes!

PVMonger
01-24-22, 23:52
Your fake sources are still lies. Quoting fake news sources are lies so why do you bother to waste our time with them.The only sources fascists trust come from FUX "News", OANN, InfoWars and other "state TV" propaganda sources. Oh, and the one-term, twice-impeached former guy.

But fascists forget (not that they knew anyway because the former guy liked his supporters to have a room-temperature IQ) that another fascist regime beat them to the punch. 80-some-odd years ago. In Germany. All this "fake news" stuff started then. That's why the one-term, twice-impeached former guy liked his supporters dumber than a box of rocks. He could get them to give him money, he could get them to storm the Capitol, he could them to hope for a pardon, but eventually he'd throw them under the bus. And they'd get fired for their part in the insurrection, too, but somehow the Orange Buffoon ignored their cries for help. And cry they did (and still do). But they're too ignorant to realize that he was using them.

But we know that you, Canada and Elvis and a few others fit the mold of the one-term, twice-impeached former guy's supporters to a tee. And we're laughing at you. Not with you. At you. Because nobody can believe that a supposed adult can be so blind. But it is '1984' (the novel, not the year) all over again.

Why do you waste your time?

PVMonger
01-24-22, 23:56
LOL. That's priceless. You open by asserting that presidents don't create jobs and then launch into a description of what Reagan did to improve the economy and create jobs. Yes, he did things to produce and preside over what was then the deepest Great Repub Recession since the Great Repub Depression of the late 1920's / early 1930's, drove the unemployment rate into ten consecutive months of 10%+ figures and achieved a final annual average jobs creation record that pales in comparison to Carter, LBJ and Clinton, each of whom did the exact opposite of what Reagan did.

But you certainly made your point that presidents do indeed create or destroy jobs and can produce and preside over Great Recessions or avert and avoid them.

Far from being mere refs, Presidents are stewards of the economy. They propose what goes or does not go into budgets and legislation. They lay out full economic agendas.

Of course, it is then up to Congress to go with it or reject it. And history clearly shows when Repub presidents largely get their way, as Reagan did in his first year in office, what follows is economic disaster and all too often a Great Recession vs when Dem presidents largely get their way, as happened for FDR, LBJ, Clinton, Obama and even Biden so far, what follows is historic jobs creation, economic expansion and, guess what, no Great Recessions.

Presidents are faced with dozens of economic decisions on proposals and plans every day that can either lead to more jobs created and economic expansion for the country or to jobs destruction and economic contraction..But that's what happens when people support the one-term, twice-impeached former guy. They don't know how to think for themselves so they post arguments that make the other side's points for them. And they don't even know it. That's why he like his supporters to have room-temperature IQs.

AllTooHorny
01-25-22, 01:36
See, we USED TO have a president who was a puppet for Putin, and I wonder why it never bothered you at all.

But you can relax, he's gone now.Gone for now.

Big Daddy 1906
01-25-22, 01:39
Biden's weak foreign policy is definitely making the market take a hit. Another bad day for Biden. He has only had 370 bad days in his presidency though. As bad as Trump was Biden is making him look great again. I think the majority of Americans can see that Trump was considerably better than Biden. Who would have guessed?Trump considerably better than Biden? We talking the same Trump that tried to overthrow an election because he lost? The same Trump that is openly a racist, misogynistic autocrat want to be who totally fucked up the pandemic and talked shit about the vaccine while he took it and didn't tell anyone at first?

Biden isn't the 2nd coming of Lincoln but on his worst day he's better than Trump.

ScatManDoo
01-25-22, 02:56
Trump considerably better than Biden? We talking the same Trump that tried to overthrow an election because he lost? The same Trump that is openly a racist, misogynistic autocrat want to be who totally fucked up the pandemic and talked shit about the vaccine while he took it and didn't tell anyone at first?Don't forget he cheated on his wife while she was caring for their newborn, by raw dogging a porn actress.

But since this is a hooker board.

That might be a plus.

Trinimoses
01-25-22, 03:23
Trump considerably better than Biden? We talking the same Trump that tried to overthrow an election because he lost? The same Trump that is openly a racist, misogynistic autocrat want to be who totally fucked up the pandemic and talked shit about the vaccine while he took it and didn't tell anyone at first?

Biden isn't the 2nd coming of Lincoln but on his worst day he's better than Trump.Lord father put a hard. The same Biden that said if the democrats lose in November that the elections are illegitimate? The same Biden that has the USA with the highest level of inflation in 40 years. Look at those gas prices.

People jokey yes.

PVMonger
01-25-22, 05:13
Lord father put a hard. The same Biden that said if the democrats lose in November that the elections are illegitimate? The same Biden that has the USA with the highest level of inflation in 40 years. Look at those gas prices.

People jokey yes.If you fascists would learn to think for yourselves, the US would be a much better place. But you can't.

The President has no control over the gas prices. I realize that as a supporter of the one-term, twice-impeached former guy, you've never heard of "supply and demand". And you evidently have been living off the planet for the past 2+ years because you have obviously never heard of the pandemic. Or OPEC. But FUX "News" doesn't report on that stuff. They'd rather rant about important stuff like Mars Candy Company changing the M&M cartoon characters. I guess that's the kind of stuff that interests the deplorables.

For all of the trumpers, there are 3 main reasons why gasoline prices are up.

1. Demand is up as Americans take to the road again;.

2. Hurricane Ida slowed down US oil production and refining; and.

3. Energy markets around the world are in a crunch.

It is all here in this article https://businessinsider.mx/why-are-gas-prices-so-high-right-now-3-reasons-2021-10/?r=US&IR=T But, hey, it is "Business Insider" so what do they know. They must be fake news, right? After all, Tucker "Nobody in their right mind would believe anything I say" Carlson told you to blame Biden so that's what you do. But the one-term, twice-impeached former guy said that he likes his supporters dumb so you and the rest of the fascists oblige.

Xpartan
01-25-22, 05:44
Come on man! Use your common sense. If Trump were Putin's puppet than why did Putin postpone invading the Ukraine until Uncle Joe became President. Wow, I don't think I've seen an argument as laughable as this one, and I thought I'd seen them all.

Postpone? Did I miss a full-scale invasion? Has it already begun and I missed the news?

Putin is a thug and a player. He played Trump for 4 years like a flute. Now that he can't get his way like before, he's muddying the waters again, pushing as hard as the world would allow him before backing down eventually. And I believe he will eventually back down and frame it as a victory for the internal consumption.


The answer is as plain as the nose on your face. Putin knew that if Russia invaded the Ukraine while Trump was in the White House, Trump would have destroyed the Russian Economy by cutting off all of Russia's financial access to the Western Banking System. No shit, huh?

We're talking the same Trump who publicly asked Russia to dig up dirt on Hillary?

Same Trump who tried to water down the Congress' sanctions and then delayed signing them for as long as he could?

Same Trump who publicly said it was OK for Putin to keep Crimea?

Same Trump who publicly said he trusted Putin over his own security agencies?

Same Trump who laughed with Lavrov and Kislyak after firing Comey for Russian TASS (having locked our own news agencies out of the meeting)?

Same Trump who shared classified intelligence with Putin?

Same Trump who incessantly criticized NATO and who once said he wanted to withdraw?

Same Trump who, contrary to all diplomatic traditions, went to his meetings with Putin alone without even the interpreter?

I could go on and on and on about Trump caressing Putin's balls, and I'm perfectly prepared to back all the above and then some with reliable sources.

And often with Trump's own words because that's what degenerates do. They blurb.

But just to be clear, we're talking about THE SAME DUDE, correct?


I have given you the benefit of the doubt up to now because I thought you are an actual punter and have made some ISG contributions to the Brazil forums. But if you keep going on with this delusional RussiaRussiaRussia, TrumpTrumpTrump, HillaryHillaryHillary BS, I will have to adjust my opinion of you downward.Oh gee, I'll gladly take this risk. Knock yourself out.

Xpartan
01-25-22, 05:51
Lord father put a hard. The same Biden that said if the democrats lose in November that the elections are illegitimate? The same Biden that has the USA with the highest level of inflation in 40 years. Look at those gas prices.

People jokey yes.And here is yet another new member who came to the sex mongering forum to beatch about Biden.

Seems like some of our resident pundits feel a little lonely.

EihTooms
01-25-22, 07:27
Biden's weak foreign policy is definitely making the market take a hit. Another bad day for Biden. He has only had 370 bad days in his presidency though. As bad as Trump was Biden is making him look great again. I think the majority of Americans can see that Trump was considerably better than Biden. Who would have guessed?The market took a hit today? How so?

The broad USA market as measured by the S&P 500 or, better, the Wilshire Total Market 5000 closed today down only about 7% or 8% from its all-time record high close. That isn't even enough to be considered a health-restoring "Correction" yet, which is typically when it is down 10% or more from its recent all-time high close while a Bear Market decline is 20% or more.

We are not even halfway to a Bear Market decline or even tip-toeing into a health-restoring "Correction" territory yet. Biden's first year saw some 70 new all-time record high closes and Biden's stock market appears to be stubbornly resistant to even approaching halfway to a Bear Market level.

My god, you must have been having heart attacks when the stock market plunged into two Bear Market declines under "great again" Trump, one every two years of his failed presidency. I suppose that was because of Trump's fabulous foreign policy agenda and results throughout his term, so much better than Biden's, right?

Canada
01-25-22, 14:35
And here is yet another new member who came to the sex mongering forum to beatch about Biden.

Seems like some of our resident pundits feel a little lonely.You are the minority now. Republicans, democrats and independents are concerned about our incompetent president. Only the socialists and fools are still supporting his far left agenda.

Canada
01-25-22, 14:40
Trump considerably better than Biden? We talking the same Trump that tried to overthrow an election because he lost? The same Trump that is openly a racist, misogynistic autocrat want to be who totally fucked up the pandemic and talked shit about the vaccine while he took it and didn't tell anyone at first?

Biden isn't the 2nd coming of Lincoln but on his worst day he's better than Trump.You are wrong. The last 12 months prove Biden is worse than Trump. From the economy to inflation to foreign policy Trump proved he better for USA than Biden.

Canada
01-25-22, 14:45
Come on man! Use your common sense. If Trump were Putin's puppet than why did Putin postpone invading the Ukraine until Uncle Joe became President. The answer is as plain as the nose on your face. Putin knew that if Russia invaded the Ukraine while Trump was in the White House, Trump would have destroyed the Russian Economy by cutting off all of Russia's financial access to the Western Banking System. What is Joe going to do? Well, we shall see and if I am wrong about Joe Biden I will admit. But I seriously doubt Uncle Joe will do more than make a teleprompter rehearsed speech and issue a few minor sanctions.

X. I have given you the benefit of the doubt up to now because I thought you are an actual punter and have made some ISG contributions to the Brazil forums. But if you keep going on with this delusional RussiaRussiaRussia, TrumpTrumpTrump, HillaryHillaryHillary BS, I will have to adjust my opinion of you downward. Open your eyes!Putin respected Trump and a strong USA. Now with a weak frail president Putin is taking advantage of the situation. China and Russia are the big winners of the 2020 election. The American people are the big losers of the 2020 election.

Axel Heyst
01-25-22, 15:48
Wow, I don't think I've seen an argument as laughable as this one, and I thought I'd seen them all.

Postpone? Did I miss a full-scale invasion? Has it already begun and I missed the news?

Putin is a thug and a player. He played Trump for 4 years like a flute. Now that he can't get his way like before, he's muddying the waters again, pushing as hard as the world would allow him before backing down eventually. And I believe he will eventually back down and frame it as a victory for the internal consumption.Ok, you believe "he (Putin) will eventually back down and frame it as a victory for the internal consumption. " That is definitely one of the 3 possible outcomes of the situation and I am not surprised that you believe this scenario is the most probable based on your overt political bias.

The 2 more likely outcomes, however, are either 1) Putin invades or 2) the West (Biden) makes significant concessions so a Russian invasion is not necessary IE the installation of a "puppet" regime and an end of Ukrainian sovereignty. Notice the proper use of the word "puppet".

Like I said, we will see how this crises unfolds. The interesting point in your statement is that Putin "will eventually back down and frame it as a victory for the internal consumption" because it leaves room in the American Left's internal propaganda machine to score anything short of an invasion as a victory for Uncle Joe. But sovereignty and independence is a verifiable state of affairs. They can not be spinned, although if the situation calls for it, I am sure that the American Left will try. And that is the big difference between the Left and the rest of us. If Joe Biden actually stops an invasion or the political take over of the Ukraine I will be surprised like all hell, but I will admit Uncle Joe did good. If the opposite occurs we all know you and your Party will never admit the failure / blunder. You can bet on it.

PVMonger
01-25-22, 15:50
Wow, I don't think I've seen an argument as laughable as this one, and I thought I'd seen them all.

Postpone? Did I miss a full-scale invasion? Has it already begun and I missed the news?

Putin is a thug and a player. He played Trump for 4 years like a flute. Now that he can't get his way like before, he's muddying the waters again, pushing as hard as the world would allow him before backing down eventually. And I believe he will eventually back down and frame it as a victory for the internal consumption.

No shit, huh?

We're talking the same Trump who publicly asked Russia to dig up dirt on Hillary?

Same Trump who tried to water down the Congress' sanctions and then delayed signing them for as long as he could?.The fascists who post will say that everything you posted is "fake news" because they didn't hear it on state TV. ROFL.

Cali Guy
01-25-22, 16:37
The market took a hit today? How so?

The broad USA market as measured by the S&P 500 or, better, the Wilshire Total Market 5000 closed today down only about 7% or 8% from its all-time record high close. That isn't even enough to be considered a health-restoring "Correction" yet, which is typically when it is down 10% or more from its recent all-time high close while a Bear Market decline is 20% or more.

We are not even halfway to a Bear Market decline or even tip-toeing into a health-restoring "Correction" territory yet. Biden's first year saw some 70 new all-time record high closes and Biden's stock market appears to be stubbornly resistant to even approaching halfway to a Bear Market level.

My god, you must have been having heart attacks when the stock market plunged into two Bear Market declines under "great again" Trump, one every two years of his failed presidency. I suppose that was because of Trump's fabulous foreign policy agenda and results throughout his term, so much better than Biden's, right?The market is only one indication of Biden failing policies. The market going down creates opportunities for savvy investors. But Biden is lost. Everything he does turns to crap. From trying to kill the energy business to inflation to foreign policy to 2 pandemics. Now maybe even war. Crime is totally out of control in democrat states. Inflation the highest in 40 plus years and no end in site. Trump policies are looking great right now. The only ones that like Biden policies are the Chinese and Putin.

Cali Guy
01-25-22, 16:39
Wow, I don't think I've seen an argument as laughable as this one, and I thought I'd seen them all.

Postpone? Did I miss a full-scale invasion? Has it already begun and I missed the news?

Putin is a thug and a player. He played Trump for 4 years like a flute. Now that he can't get his way like before, he's muddying the waters again, pushing as hard as the world would allow him before backing down eventually. And I believe he will eventually back down and frame it as a victory for the internal consumption.

No shit, huh?

We're talking the same Trump who publicly asked Russia to dig up dirt on Hillary?

Same Trump who tried to water down the Congress' sanctions and then delayed signing them for as long as he could?.Putin didn't attack Ukraine under Trump presidency. He did under Obama and he will again under Biden. Putin only attacks the weak. Trump would have hurt Russia to much so Putin just waited for a puppet to come along and here is Biden.

PVMonger
01-25-22, 17:32
Putin respected Trump and a strong USA. Now with a weak frail president Putin is taking advantage of the situation. China and Russia are the big winners of the 2020 election. The American people are the big losers of the 2020 election.Putin played the one-term, twice-impeached former guy like a fiddle. Even his own National Security advisor said so. Everybody but the fascists knows this. You don't know this, of course, because State TV lied to you.

Big Daddy 1906
01-25-22, 18:14
Wow, I don't think I've seen an argument as laughable as this one, and I thought I'd seen them all.

Postpone? Did I miss a full-scale invasion? Has it already begun and I missed the news?

Putin is a thug and a player. He played Trump for 4 years like a flute. Now that he can't get his way like before, he's muddying the waters again, pushing as hard as the world would allow him before backing down eventually. And I believe he will eventually back down and frame it as a victory for the internal consumption.

No shit, huh?

We're talking the same Trump who publicly asked Russia to dig up dirt on Hillary?

Same Trump who tried to water down the Congress' sanctions and then delayed signing them for as long as he could?

Same Trump who publicly said it was OK for Putin to keep Crimea?

Same Trump who publicly said he trusted Putin over his own security agencies?

Same Trump who laughed with Lavrov and Kislyak after firing Comey for Russian TASS (having locked our own news agencies out of the meeting)?

Same Trump who shared classified intelligence with Putin?

Same Trump who incessantly criticized NATO and who once said he wanted to withdraw?

Same Trump who, contrary to all diplomatic traditions, went to his meetings with Putin alone without even the interpreter?

I could go on and on and on about Trump caressing Putin's balls, and I'm perfectly prepared to back all the above and then some with reliable sources.

And often with Trump's own words because that's what degenerates do. They blurb.

But just to be clear, we're talking about THE SAME DUDE, correct?

Oh gee, I'll gladly take this risk. Knock yourself out.Stop confusing people with facts and common sense!!

EihTooms
01-26-22, 00:50
You are wrong. The last 12 months prove Biden is worse than Trump. From the economy to inflation to foreign policy Trump proved he better for USA than Biden.Biden got 200 million+ of the smartest people in USA vaccinated with the vaccines Trump spent a year trying to convince the world nobody needed to invent or take.

Biden created more jobs in those 12 months than the three previous Repub so-called potus' did in their entire presidencies combined. Yep, one of them was Trump.

Biden reduced the unemployment rate to 3.9% from the double digits he inherited from Trump faster than anyone in history.

Biden's first year-over-year real GDP growth is on track to be well in the range Trump predicted his $2. 5+ Trillion waste of money one and only significant economic legislation would produce but failed to by half for even one of his pre Trump's Pandemic years.

Despite Trump's Pandemic Supply Chain Destruction Inflation, shipping and retail reps called this past Christmas under Biden the best holiday season ever!

Biden's first year stock market recovery from Trump's 2nd Bear Market decline in just one horrible term puts him at the top of the list of Presidents' annual average returns in the market. The gain seen just from his landslide victory over Trump to his inauguration alone was one of the greatest of all time and that isn't even included inhis 1st year record.

All thanks to Biden action and passed legislation, nothing to do with a so-called potus playing golf and sitting on the pot tweeting through 80% of his twice Impeached one miserable term.

Oh, and Biden is rebuilding the Western Alliance / NATO to strengthen and spread democracy around the world that Trump spent 4 years trying to dismantle at the behest of his Puppet Master Putin. Which, obviously, is really pissing off Putin after getting his ass licked by Trump for 4 years.

Naturally, Repubs would hate those Biden results in his first 12 months.

EihTooms
01-26-22, 01:22
Putin didn't attack Ukraine under Trump presidency. He did under Obama and he will again under Biden. Putin only attacks the weak. Trump would have hurt Russia to much so Putin just waited for a puppet to come along and here is Biden.Obama and now Biden were all about maintaining, strengthening and expanding the Western Alliance / NATO in order to spread democracy around the world, which is anathema to Putin and his subservient puppets Trump, the Republican Party, Tucker Carlson and virtually every "conservative Repub" spokesman in winger media.

As long as Trump was willing to dangle and deny USA military support for budding democracy Ukraine unless its president fabricated dirt on his political opponents, clearly demonstrated indifference to his or any spread of authoritarian dictatorships to prevail over democracies and help him to dismantle the Western Alliance, there was very little work Putin needed to apply to the effort rather than simply wait for Trump and his fellow Repubs to deliver him Ukraine and anything else he wanted on a silver platter.

No so now that he is up against Biden.

EihTooms
01-26-22, 02:49
Stop confusing people with facts and common sense!!Agreed. Xpartan nailed it.

Why in the world would Putin have wanted to interrupt Trump's fine work on his behalf in dismantling the Western Alliance, denigrating democracy everywhere including in the USA while praising his and other authoritarian dictatorships with a politically risky and ultimately unnecessary, as long as Trump was working for him, war in Ukraine?

The proof in what Putin was banking on with Trump with regard to Trump's utter indifference at best and outright hostility to democracy at worst was Trump's total surrender deal with the Taliban while entirely cutting out the government in Afghanistan.

Thanks to Trump, the Taliban could walk into most cities and regions in Afghanistan and resume their authoritarian rule without firing a single shot.

Putin knew very well a second Trump term at most would see him defunding all support economically and militarily from Ukraine and he could take over that country as easily.

And if Putin had initiated a military invasion under Trump for no reason whatsoever he would have risked western countries with or without Trump forming an alliance to push back and further isolate him. That would run counter to all the work Trump had put into denigrating democracies and elevating authoritarian dictatorships for his entire presidency.

This time around, Putin has no choice but to take that risk. Since January 20,2021, he no longer has a slavishly devoted promoter and puppet in the White House.

Canada
01-26-22, 03:54
Obama and now Biden were all about maintaining, strengthening and expanding the Western Alliance / NATO in order to spread democracy around the world, which is anathema to Putin and his subservient puppets Trump, the Republican Party, Tucker Carlson and virtually every "conservative Repub" spokesman in winger media.

As long as Trump was willing to dangle and deny USA military support for budding democracy Ukraine unless its president fabricated dirt on his political opponents, clearly demonstrated indifference to his or any spread of authoritarian dictatorships to prevail over democracies and help him to dismantle the Western Alliance, there was very little work Putin needed to apply to the effort rather than simply wait for Trump and his fellow Repubs to deliver him Ukraine and anything else he wanted on a silver platter.

No so now that he is up against Biden.You use don't have a clue. Last time Putin invaded Ukraine Obama as Biden sent blankets the Ukraine as USA relief effort. Putin waited until Trump was out of office to invade again. Biden is a joke to Putin. Biden is a joke to NATO and the world.

Canada
01-26-22, 03:59
Biden got 200 million+ of the smartest people in USA vaccinated with the vaccines Trump spent a year trying to convince the world nobody needed to invent or take.

Biden created more jobs in those 12 months than the three previous Repub so-called potus' did in their entire presidencies combined. Yep, one of them was Trump.

Biden reduced the unemployment rate to 3.9% from the double digits he inherited from Trump faster than anyone in history.

Biden's first year-over-year real GDP growth is on track to be well in the range Trump predicted his $2. 5+ Trillion waste of money one and only significant economic legislation would produce but failed to by half for even one of his pre Trump's Pandemic years.

Despite Trump's Pandemic Supply Chain Destruction Inflation, shipping and retail reps called this past Christmas under Biden the best holiday season ever!.Why do you keep repeating lies? It already has been proven that there are less people working today than when Trump was president so no new one created.

200,000,000 people are suffering under Biden policies and inflation. 200,000,000 people said they were better off under Trump presidency. Why do you keep lying?

PVMonger
01-26-22, 05:25
Agreed. Xpartan nailed it.

Why in the world would Putin have wanted to interrupt Trump's fine work on his behalf in dismantling the Western Alliance, denigrating democracy everywhere including in the USA while praising his and other authoritarian dictatorships with a politically risky and ultimately unnecessary, as long as Trump was working for him, war in Ukraine?

The proof in what Putin was banking on with Trump with regard to Trump's utter indifference at best and outright hostility to democracy at worst was Trump's total surrender deal with the Taliban while entirely cutting out the government in Afghanistan.

Thanks to Trump, the Taliban could walk into most cities and regions in Afghanistan and resume their authoritarian rule without firing a single shot.

Putin knew very well a second Trump term at most would see him defunding all support economically and militarily from Ukraine and he could take over that country as easily.The fascists support the authoritarians. Yep, in a recent poll, 62% of the fascist party support authoritarians over Democracy (surprise, surprise, surprise). Of course, the fascists who see this will say (as usual) that polls are useless or they are fake news or some other nonsense. https://news.yahoo.com/poll-as-ukraine-tensions-escalate-62-percent-of-republicans-say-putin-is-a-stronger-leader-than-biden-192437439.html.

Maybe they missed the latest episode of Tucker "Nobody in their right mind should believe anything I say" Carlson. Because Tucker, genius that he isn't, said the quiet part out loud. Again. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/25/tucker-carlson-russia-ukraine-democrats And before the fascists say that Tucker didn't say that, here's the video https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1485780422734737409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw.

So, once again, the Putin-loving fascists say that they prefer authoritarians over Democracy. Not that we didn't know that already.

Axel Heyst
01-26-22, 14:00
The American backlash is coming and the Left knows it. The people are getting tired of this Brandon shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKfm4rqMd78&t=45s

PVMonger
01-26-22, 19:27
You use don't have a clue. Last time Putin invaded Ukraine Obama as Biden sent blankets the Ukraine as USA relief effort. Putin waited until Trump was out of office to invade again. Biden is a joke to Putin. Biden is a joke to NATO and the world.See, here's the problem. Just because the Orange Fruitcake, FUX "News" and Tucker "Nobody in their right mind should believe anything I say" Carlson say something, it doesn't make it true. In fact, if any of these idiots say something, it is almost certainly a lie.

The one-term, twice-impeached former guy used the "blankets" canard. Obama send the things that the Ukraine military needed, including UAVs, counter-mortar radars, night vision devices, Humvees, medical supplies and money. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/26/politics/donald-trump-barack-obama-ukraine-military-aid-sheets-pillows-fact-check/index.html.

But the fascists (like you) prefer to believe Donnie's lies. That's because he said he liked his supporters stupid. And trumpers certainly do qualify. I'll bet your reply to this post slams the source and / or uses the term "fake news".

ScatManDoo
01-26-22, 19:42
200,000,000 people said they were better off under Trump presidency. Why do you keep lying?Where liar?

Where did 200 million people speak?

Xpartan
01-26-22, 21:14
And that's really funny because who -- against rabid isolationist efforts to keep America neutral -- was first to support Britain struggling against the Nazis? And who eventually triumphed over the Nazis and Japanese?

Who stared down Khrushchev during the Cuban Missile Crisis?

Who escalated the Vietnam War?

Who ended the civil war in Yugoslavia?

Democrats, for better or, sometimes, worse.

The problem is that most repubs don't even know their own history aside from a few Hollywood productions. And those who do, have no moral qualms just brushing it aside to serve their tribal interests.

The whole essence of their bullshit propaganda is to make their opponents look weak. As if screaming off the top of their lungs somehow makes them tough and stately.

Xpartan
01-26-22, 21:21
Where liar?

Where did 200 million people speak?I totally believe him.

United States.

18 years and over: 209,128,094.

21 years and over: 196,899,193.

PVMonger
01-27-22, 00:27
And that's really funny because who -- against rabid isolationist efforts to keep America neutral -- was first to support Britain struggling against the Nazis? And who eventually triumphed over the Nazis and Japanese?

Who stared down Khrushchev during the Cuban Missile Crisis?

Who escalated the Vietnam War?

Who ended the civil war in Yugoslavia?

Democrats, for better or, sometimes, worse.

The problem is that most repubs don't even know their own history aside from a few Hollywood productions. And those who do, have no moral qualms just brushing it aside to serve their tribal interests.

The whole essence of their bullshit propaganda is to make their opponents look weak. As if screaming off the top of their lungs somehow makes them tough and stately.The fascists absolutely believe that "volume" equals "strength". Look at any of Hitler's speeches from the 30's and 40's. Did he ever speak softly?

Look at any of the Orange Fruitcake's speeches from when he was part-time, so-called potus. Did he ever speak softly?

Look at Ron "I'm even dumber than trump" DeSantis. Does he ever speak softly?

Look at Tucker "Nobody in their right mind should believe anything I say" Carlson's rants. Does he ever speak softly?

Look at the fascists on this board. Of course it is writing and not speaking but if typing had volume, they'd be yelling (liberally sprinkled with cries of "fake news") at the top of their lungs.

If fascists couldn't lie and yell, they wouldn't have anything to say.

EihTooms
01-27-22, 03:51
You use don't have a clue. Last time Putin invaded Ukraine Obama as Biden sent blankets the Ukraine as USA relief effort. Putin waited until Trump was out of office to invade again. Biden is a joke to Putin. Biden is a joke to NATO and the world.The last time the USA earmarked money and military aid for Ukraine in order to prevent Putin from strolling in to take over, Trump denied the release of that aid until just days before the set-aside would expire and only after a whistle blower contacted the House Dems and they began an investigation for why the fuck anyone in the USA government would side with Putin over Ukraine militarily in that way.

Enter American hero LT. Col. Alexander Vindman, the National Security expert on the issue who witnessed and testified to the blackmailing of Ukraine President Zelensky by our so-called "commander in chief" in possibly the most shameful, cowardly, self-serving betrayal of democracy in favor of authoritarian dictatorship in American history. Until January 6, 2021, of course. And then by the entire Repub Party ever since.

Did you ever wonder what Trump would have done with those hundreds of millions in military aid for Ukraine when it turned out there was no dirt on Biden for Zelensky to report and he was too honorable a man to play along with Trump's blackmail terms to fabricate some? Had the whistle blower not put an end to the outrage in the nick of time, I mean.

Something "really terrific!" I'm sure.

ScatManDoo
01-27-22, 11:24
In the age bracket of Americans over the age of 65 we have great vaccination rates:

94% of older Democrats are vaccinated and 80% of those older republican are also vaccinated.

A big slap on the backs of Americans.

American will be better next year with about 2% less GOP members.

Who says we are not making progress?

Give the people want they want, even if it is not Uncle Mitchell's golden years!

EihTooms
01-27-22, 13:24
Why do you keep repeating lies? It already has been proven that there are less people working today than when Trump was president so no new one created.

200,000,000 people are suffering under Biden policies and inflation. 200,000,000 people said they were better off under Trump presidency. Why do you keep lying?The BLS does not count "added jobs" from the highpoint of jobs in place before the Repubs' failed policies and stewardship wiped out millions upon millions upon millions of them.

That isn't how it's done. Ever.

If that were the case, every Great Dem Recovery and Economic Expansion would have to create the millions upon millions upon millions of USA jobs the Repubs lost over the past 100 years, a net loss in all that time, before we could count 1 "added job."

And that would be nearly impossible. But I must say Biden might indeed accomplish that task over the next 2-3 years. Maybe over the next 7 years it would be more likely.

Look, if you don't like that "added jpbs" start being counted from the depths of your Repub presidential failures, here's the fix for that; stop voting for Repubs who will almost certainly wipe out millions of jobs before he is shown the door. Which, realistically, means vote only for Dems from now on.

PVMonger
01-27-22, 17:22
I watched part of a news program last night and one of the commentators said something that I'd like to share. He said "Everybody has a right to their own opinion but nobody has a right to their own facts. ".

During this time of trump (in other words, since June 16th, 2015 when he announced his candidacy) the far-right has been at war with facts. In fact, I believe it was Donnie's first press secretary who announced that there were "facts" and there were "alternative facts". Most people on the left were incredulous. "Alternative facts? They said, "What exactly are those? Well, everybody knows that "alternative facts" aren't "facts" at all. They are, rather, mis-statements or half-truths or deliberate convolution of events or downright lies.

Or, as the one-term, twice-impeached former guy has famously said "The media is the enemy of the people. " Does the media get everything right all of the time? Nope, not by a long shot. Not since Chet and David, and maybe not even then. But "the enemy of the people"? Gee, where have we heard that before? https://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-president-trumps-phrase-an-enemy-of-the-people-2017-2?r=MX&IR=T.

And we all know that the term "fake news" didn't originate in 2017. It originated in the 1930's. In Germany. By the fascist leader of the country.

And that, folks, is where we are today, 6-1/2 years later.

We have "facts" like trump really said that the army took over the airports during the Revolutionary War. There are multiple unedited videos of him saying that. We have "alternative facts" from the right that say "he didn't say that but if he did say that he didn't mean it but even if he did mean it it was hyperbole and even if it wasn't hyperbole, it was a joke. "

There are thousands and thousands of issues like the one above. There are "facts" and there are the right's "alternative facts". The problem with these "alternative facts" is that they aren't "facts" at all.

So, are the wingers on this board entitled to their opinions. Sure. But they aren't entitled to use their own version of the facts.

Travv
01-27-22, 19:31
Deaths In 18-64 Year Olds Up 40% Says Indiana life Insurance CEO.

"And what we saw just in third quarter, we're seeing it continue into fourth quarter, is that death rates are up 40% over what they were pre-pandemic," he said. "Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic," he said. "So 40% is just unheard of. " Primerica also said it paid $2. 1 billion in term life death claims in 2021. That's up from $594 million in spending on death claims and other forms of term life benefits in 2020, and up from $475 million in 2019, before the COVID-19 pandemic began.

With life insurance it's simple. No real repricing took place during this "pandemic". Deaths just never materialized for 2020 as they all expected. 2021 was the same. Up until the last quarter when things changed.

. . Folks are now dying, and not in the age groups anticipated or expected and definitely not in the age groups that Covid kills, such as the old and infirm. The brainboxes are looking at some worrying numbers and repricing risk accordingly. Exclusions? Sure, if they can isolate a particular illness, but now it would seem the clot shots are causing (as has been warned many times by folks such as Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, Pierre Kory, and hundreds of others) weakened immune systems which result in deaths from multiple differing ailments.

So get your Life Insurance policy before the companies start repricing or refusing applicants who took the experimental vaccines. . . The good news is if you act fast you can afford a deluxe funeral if you buy life insurance now!


In the age bracket of Americans over the age of 65 we have great vaccination rates

94% of older Democrats are vaccinated and 80% of those older republican are also vaccinated.

A big slap on the backs of Americans.

American will be better next year with about 2% less GOP members.

Who says we are not making progress?

Give the people want they want, even if it is not Uncle Mitchell's golden years!

EihTooms
01-27-22, 20:23
Or, as Repubs and everyone in winger media would lie about it, if they mention it at all: Sleepy Joe and the Dems continuing to destroy America!

GDP grew at a 6.9% pace to close out 2021, stronger than expected despite omicron spread

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/27/gdp-grew-at-a-6point9percent-pace-to-close-out-2021-stronger-than-expected-despite-omicron-spread.html?__source=androidappshare

ScatManDoo
01-27-22, 22:21
Deaths In 18-64 Year Olds Up 40% Says Indiana life Insurance CEO.

"And what we saw just in third quarter, we're seeing it continue into fourth quarter, is that death rates are up 40% over what they were pre-pandemic," he said. "Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic," he said. "So 40% is just unheard of. " Primerica also said it paid $2. 1 billion in term life death claims in 2021. That's up from $594 million in spending on death claims and other forms of term life benefits in 2020, and up from $475 million in 2019, before the COVID-19 pandemic began.

With life insurance it's simple. No real repricing took place during this "pandemic". Deaths just never materialized for 2020 as they all expected. 2021 was the same. Up until the last quarter when things changed.

. . Folks are now dying, and not in the age groups anticipated or expected and definitely not in the age groups that Covid kills, such as the old and infirm. The brainboxes are looking at some worrying numbers and repricing risk accordingly. Exclusions? Sure, if they can isolate a particular illness, but now it would seem the clot shots are causing (as has been warned many times by folks such as Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, Pierre Kory, and hundreds of others) weakened immune systems which result in deaths from multiple differing ailments.

So get your Life Insurance policy before the companies start repricing or refusing applicants who took the experimental vaccines. . . The good news is if you act fast you can afford a deluxe funeral if you buy life insurance now!So when Joe Rogan and / or his guests suggest that the Covid vaccine is not necessary for the young and healthy.

They were incorrect?

And spreading misinformation about the vaccines on Spotify.

My my, hey hey.

PVMonger
01-27-22, 23:21
Deaths In 18-64 Year Olds Up 40% Says Indiana life Insurance CEO.

"And what we saw just in third quarter, we're seeing it continue into fourth quarter, is that death rates are up 40% over what they were pre-pandemic," he said. "Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic," he said. "So 40% is just unheard of. " Primerica also said it paid $2. 1 billion in term life death claims in 2021. That's up from $594 million in spending on death claims and other forms of term life benefits in 2020, and up from $475 million in 2019, before the COVID-19 pandemic began.

With life insurance it's simple. No real repricing took place during this "pandemic". Deaths just never materialized for 2020 as they all expected. 2021 was the same. Up until the last quarter when things changed.
As per usual, the fascists like to leave out stuff, especially if the stuff they leave out destroys their whole point.

What did this fascist leave out? "Most of the claims for deaths being filed are not classified as COVID-19 deaths, Davison said." You can read with the CEO said here: https://www.citizentribune.com/lifestyles/health/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_21529187-8ca1-56dd-9ef1-5b804992ad1c.html or just google it yourself.

And since death rates are "up" and vaccinations are also "up", the genius who posted this says "Oh, look, that must mean the increase in vaccinations are causing the deaths". I've had better luck teaching algebra to a donkey.

EihTooms
01-28-22, 06:51
As per usual, the fascists like to leave out stuff, especially if the stuff they leave out destroys their whole point.

What did this fascist leave out? "Most of the claims for deaths being filed are not classified as COVID-19 deaths, Davison said." You can read with the CEO said here: https://www.citizentribune.com/lifestyles/health/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_21529187-8ca1-56dd-9ef1-5b804992ad1c.html or just google it yourself.

And since death rates are "up" and vaccinations are also "up", the genius who posted this says "Oh, look, that must mean the increase in vaccinations are causing the deaths". I've had better luck teaching algebra to a donkey.The CEO further explained:


"What the data is showing to us is that the deaths that are being reported as COVID deaths greatly understate the actual death losses among working-age people from the pandemic. It may not all be COVID on their death certificate, but deaths are up just huge, huge numbers.So some wingers decided to Trump-style "downplay"/ lie about the true death rate from Trump's Pandemic, which very likely produced the same result Trump's lying about it produced; fewer people took the vaccine than should have.

And that, of course, produced the scientifically proven and expected result of a "huge, huge" increase in deaths from Trump's Pandemic that they are only now discovering was lied about previously.

And what is other wingers' response to this tragic discovery? Why, that one is perfectly Trumpian as well! Let's just spin that those previously lied about and "downplayed" Trump's Pandemic deaths were probably caused by the very vaccines that Dear Leader spent the critical first year of his Pandemic trying to convince everyone in the world was a Democrat Party Hoax that was disappearing like a dteam as soon as it started, will go away without a vaccine anyway so nobody needs to bother inventing one or taking one.

Brilliant.

Canada
01-28-22, 17:53
Obama and now Biden were all about maintaining, strengthening and expanding the Western Alliance / NATO in order to spread democracy around the world, which is anathema to Putin and his subservient puppets Trump, the Republican Party, Tucker Carlson and virtually every "conservative Repub" spokesman in winger media.

As long as Trump was willing to dangle and deny USA military support for budding democracy Ukraine unless its president fabricated dirt on his political opponents, clearly demonstrated indifference to his or any spread of authoritarian dictatorships to prevail over democracies and help him to dismantle the Western Alliance, there was very little work Putin needed to apply to the effort rather than simply wait for Trump and his fellow Repubs to deliver him Ukraine and anything else he wanted on a silver platter.

No so now that he is up against Biden.So I surmise you are saying that Obama and Biden sending blankets the Ukraine during first Russia war with Ukraine brought democracy to the world?

And I guess that Biden allowing Putin to invade again will bring democracy to the world?

Does anyone see a pattern here? Russia attacks Ukraine with Obama president. Russia retreats when Trump is president. Russia invades Ukraine with Biden president. It appears to me and the rest or the world that Russia only invaded when USA has a weak leader.

PVMonger
01-28-22, 21:28
So I surmise you are saying that Obama and Biden sending blankets the Ukraine during first Russia war with Ukraine brought democracy to the world?

And I guess that Biden allowing Putin to invade again will bring democracy to the world?

Does anyone see a pattern here? Russia attacks Ukraine with Obama president. Russia retreats when Trump is president. Russia invades Ukraine with Biden president. It appears to me and the rest or the world that Russia only invaded when USA has a weak leader.I already destroyed your (and the one-term, twice-impeached former guy's) assertions of blankets. https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/26/politics/donald-trump-barack-obama-ukraine-military-aid-sheets-pillows-fact-check/index.html Why do you keep repeating the lie? I know, it is because the one-term, twice-impeached former guy said it, right?

Here's what really happened. From somebody who was there: "It is false that under president Obama the United States only sent blankets to Ukraine.

Ironically, this lie is being used to give Obama's successor credit for sending Ukraine "lethal defensive weapons", although Trump's campaign worked to keep those words from appearing in the Republican Party platform. And he used his (illegal) power over aid to Ukraine, a desperate fledgling democracy under attack by an authoritarian giant, to shake it down for political favours.

The United States has a bipartisan policy to support Ukraine, seeing the Eastern European country's wellbeing and development as vital to US security. To prevent the Russian Federation from destabilizing Europe, and exporting its invasion, cyber attacks, propaganda, and war further afield.

Under Obama, the United States provided military aid in the form of military training, medical and security advisory teams, body armour, helmets, vehicles, night- and thermal vision devices, heavy engineering equipment, advanced radios, patrol boats, rations, tents, uniforms, and other related items, the United States had also given Ukraine counterbattery radar, used to quickly locate enemy artillery while it's firing.

For more about how Ukrainian forces used American radar to locate Russian artillery and destroy it, reducing its own casualties, see my answer: Why didn't people who want to help Ukraine not speak of Obama only giving blankets and condemn Trump who gave them real weapons against the Russians?

Under Trump's Republican administration, the US Congress apportioned funding for hundreds of millions more in similar aid, but also including some "lethal defensive weapons" such as RPG launchers and sniper rifles, and also Javelin antitank missiles that aren't to be used unless there's an open invasion of the country. After Trump stopped holding back aid, Ukraine was approved to purchase its own Javelin missiles without restrictions on use.

Although every bit of this aid, lethal and non-lethal, has been important to all Ukrainians, and especially the men an women serving in what's sometimes been called the "rag-tag" Ukrainian Forces, what's most important is the knowledge that a major world power has made an unwavering commitment to stand behind their efforts to create a normal country and healthy democracy."

Axel Heyst
01-28-22, 22:22
"We The People".

We the people in all we do.

Reserve the right to scream "Fuck you".

(Hey-yeah) ow.

(Hey-yeah) huh.

"Wear your mask, take your pills".

Now a whole generation's mentally ill.

(Hey-yeah) man, fuck Fauci.

(Hey-yeah).

But COVID's near, it's coming to town.

We got to act quick, shut our borders down.

Joe Biden does, the media embraces.

Big Don does it and they call him racist.

We the people (ooh, let's go Brandon).

We the people (ooh, let's go Brandon).

We the people (ooh, let's go Brandon).

We the people.

Fuck Facebook, fuck Twitter too.

And the mainstream media, fuck you too, too, too.

(Woo) yeah, you.

We the people (ooh, yeah).

We the people.

Inflation's up, like the minimum wage.

So it's all the same, it ain't a damn thing changed.

(Hey-yeah.

Hey-yeah).

You piece of shit, I don't see color.

"Black lives matter", no shit motherfucker.

(Hey-yeah.

Hey-yeah).

But we got to keep fighting for the right to be free.

And every human being doesn't have to agree.

We all bleed red, brother, listen to me.

It's time for love and unity.

We the people (ooh, let's go Brandon).

We the people (ooh, let's go Brandon).

We the people (ooh, let's go Brandon).

We the people.

Fuck CNN, fuck TMZ.

And you social media trolls, why'all can suck on deez (deez).

Deez nuts, that's what's up.

We the people (ha-ha).

If you down with love and want to make things better.

All we got to do is just come together.

Weather the storm, and take my hand.

Then follow my lead to the promised land.

'Cause we the people, we got to unite.

To follow that good time guiding light.

Climb aboard this love boat.

And rock that ***** up and down the coast.

In order to form a more perfect union.

Do ordain and establish this constitution for the United States of America.

We the people (ooh, let's go Brandon).

We the people (ooh, let's go Brandon).

We the people (ooh, let's go Brandon).

We the people.

Standing up, and standing tall.

'Cause it's all for one and it's one for all.

All, all, all.

We the people (ooh).

We the people.

Let's go Brandon.

Let's go Brandon.

Let's go Brandon.

Let's go Brandon.

EihTooms
01-29-22, 04:52
So I surmise you are saying that Obama and Biden sending blankets the Ukraine during first Russia war with Ukraine brought democracy to the world?

And I guess that Biden allowing Putin to invade again will bring democracy to the world?

Does anyone see a pattern here? Russia attacks Ukraine with Obama president. Russia retreats when Trump is president. Russia invades Ukraine with Biden president. It appears to me and the rest or the world that Russia only invaded when USA has a weak leader.The rest of the world and especially Ukraine President Zelensky knows Russia didn't need to invade or threaten to invade anywhere as long as so-called president Trump was in perfect obedient sync with Putin's goal of dismantling the Western Alliance / NATO so authoritarian dictators like Putin could run wild replacing democracies with their puppet governments as easily as possible.

So you have no idea what that "really terrific!" thing is Trump might have done with the hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars in military aid to Ukraine had that pesky whistleblower and the House Dems not busted Trump for denying it to Ukraine in the nick of time.

Not even send them blankets, much less the tons of genuine military aid Obama sent them as PVMonger has repeatedly proven to you he did?

How about sending them paper towels? He's got a good arm for those.

My guess is Trump would have found a way to funnel that money into his failed golf resorts or used it as collateral for another huge Russian oligarch loan to build that Moscow Trump Tower he's been dreaming about for decades.

Xpartan
01-29-22, 05:11
"We The People".

We the people in all we do.

Reserve the right to scream "Fuck you".Well, some people scream.

Other people fuck.

Whatever tickles your fancy.

PVMonger
01-29-22, 05:12
The fascists have been screaming for 2 years about election fraud.

Guess what, Democrats found some. The 59 fascists who cast fraudulent Electoral votes for the one-term, twice-impeached former guy may get charged with election fraud and, since the fraudulent Electoral votes were sent through the mail, might get charged with mail fraud. I'd say they were morons but that would be a slur against morons everywhere. https://news.yahoo.com/59-republicans-joined-electoral-voter-110000351.html.

EihTooms
01-29-22, 05:16
A brief reminder of the greatest 1st presidential year ever. Along with a brutal scientific warning. Now, on to the greatest 2nd presidential year ever.

Canada
01-29-22, 21:25
A brief reminder of the greatest 1st presidential year ever. Along with a brutal scientific warning. Now, on to the greatest 2nd presidential year ever.A reminder that we had the worst president ever last year and he is probably going to be worse this year. For people living in USA they are suffering with highest inflation and highest gas prices in 40 years. Now Biden is going to get us into a war. He is a disgrace and 200,000,000 citizens of USA know it. His popularity is limited to illegals, criminals and fools.

ScatManDoo
01-29-22, 23:12
A reminder that we had the worst president ever last year.Only for 20 days.

Despite the fraudulent slates of electors that will give testimony to keep him out for good.

Donald Trump is a criminal and he's headed for jail.

PVMonger
01-30-22, 00:38
A reminder that we had the worst president ever last year and he is probably going to be worse this year. For people living in USA they are suffering with highest inflation and highest gas prices in 40 years. Now Biden is going to get us into a war. He is a disgrace and 200,000,000 citizens of USA know it. His popularity is limited to illegals, criminals and fools.Facts like "Only Presidents Johnson, Carter, and Kennedy enjoyed stronger GDP growth in their first term. " But what does Business Insider know? They're only a business publication. Because Canada, Cali and the rest of the fascists believe that Tucker "Nobody in their right mind should believe anything I say" Carlson knows better. https://businessinsider.mx/biden-economy-comparison-gdp-growth-scorecard-every-president-since-eisenhower-2021-8/?r=US&IR=T.

Who wants to bet that if he replies to this post, he will use some form of the term "fake news" 'cause that's really all he does. Well, that and use "alternative facts".

The one-term, twice-impeached former guy's popularity was limited to fascists, insurrectionists, white supremacists, xenophobes, homophobes, transphobes, election fraudsters and deplorables. It is a sad state of affairs that there are 71+ million of them that vote.

EihTooms
01-30-22, 07:49
Facts like "Only Presidents Johnson, Carter, and Kennedy enjoyed stronger GDP growth in their first term. " But what does Business Insider know? They're only a business publication. Because Canada, Cali and the rest of the fascists believe that Tucker "Nobody in their right mind should believe anything I say" Carlson knows better. https://businessinsider.mx/biden-economy-comparison-gdp-growth-scorecard-every-president-since-eisenhower-2021-8/?r=US&IR=T.

Who wants to bet that if he replies to this post, he will use some form of the term "fake news" 'cause that's really all he does. Well, that and use "alternative facts".

The one-term, twice-impeached former guy's popularity was limited to fascists, insurrectionists, white supremacists, xenophobes, homophobes, transphobes, election fraudsters and deplorables. It is a sad state of affairs that there are 71+ million of them that vote.
Only for 20 days.

Despite the fraudulent slates of electors that will give testimony to keep him out for good.

Donald Trump is a criminal and he's headed for jail.We must accept the fact that for "conservatives", Repubs, Bothsiders and other America-hating cults that love to install government officials whose only mission is to produce Great Repub Crashes, Great Repub Recessions, Great Repub Depressions and Wipe Out Millions upon Millions of USA Jobs by any means necessary, including manipulating the world into a deadly, international travel and economy-destroying Pandemic if your Repub guy or gal can find a way to make every bad decision possible to produce one and mass murder millions of people along the way, the historically positive achievements of American patriots like Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and the Dems is most definitely a horrible outcome.

Those kind of positive results for America is the exact opposite of everything they, their chosen pols and their devoted benefactors and perennial supporters and campaigners in Mainsteam Media want to happen.

Canada
01-30-22, 18:07
Facts like "Only Presidents Johnson, Carter, and Kennedy enjoyed stronger GDP growth in their first term. " But what does Business Insider know? They're only a business publication. Because Canada, Cali and the rest of the fascists believe that Tucker "Nobody in their right mind should believe anything I say" Carlson knows better. https://businessinsider.mx/biden-economy-comparison-gdp-growth-scorecard-every-president-since-eisenhower-2021-8/?r=US&IR=T.

Who wants to bet that if he replies to this post, he will use some form of the term "fake news" 'cause that's really all he does. Well, that and use "alternative facts".

The one-term, twice-impeached former guy's popularity was limited to fascists, insurrectionists, white supremacists, xenophobes, homophobes, transphobes, election fraudsters and deplorables. It is a sad state of affairs that there are 71+ million of them that vote.Ignore the obvious. If you live in USA right now you know that Biden is the worst president in the last 40 years. It is right there in front of you every day. From Afghanistan to the open borders. From highest inflation in over 40 years to highest crime rates seen in decades. From high gas prices to possible war in Ukraine. We are living it every day. Posting about past presidents or administrations with fake news posts is just irresponsible and foolish. America is waking up to this disaster. You need to also.

PVMonger
01-30-22, 18:52
"You would think that given the fact Donald Trump was impeached for illegally withholding congressionally approved aid to Ukraine, his supporters might take the current crisis as an opportunity to have a seat.

You would think that since Trump in June 2020 advocated for drawing down USA Troops in Germany, and after having spent years weakening NATO with his attacks and criticisms, that the current urgent need for strength within the Western alliance would have Trumpists hitting their own mute buttons.

You would think that with Russia threatening the international order over the possibility of invading a sovereign neighbor, the Trump-cheering section would dial it down a bit given the 45th president's signature public toadying to Vladimir Putin, the man who singlehandedly created the current crisis.

You might even think that since the response of the Biden administration to the current Russian threat has been dramatically more robust than the responses of the last three administrations to Putin's aggressions, incursions, and violations of international law, that Team Trump might even offer up a little praise for the current president. After all, even Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell did, for goodness sakes. There are vital national security interests at stake, after all.

This is precisely the sort of moment when, historically, America's political parties have tried to tone down their partisan bickering and present a united front to the world. But no, not this GOP.

Even with Trump not occupying the White House, Republicans and the warped cogs in their giant message machine continue to see their mission as strengthening not the USA And our allies, but Russia; and serving not the national interests, but their own political self-interests.

Drawing on the Trump playbook, their approach is not only facts be damned, but that history never happened. It is once again: "Who are you going to believe, us or your lying eyes?

They are taking short-term memory loss and turning into a movement, making cognitive dysfunction a requirement for admission into a MAGA fairyland in which rivers of Fox News disinformation continue to flow from the well-springs of Russian propaganda, in which heroes are magically transformed into villains, friends into enemies, and good into evil.

(Remember the hubbub in 2020 about science possibly having discovered a parallel universe in which key laws of physics were reversed? Sorry, science, but we did not need a complicated experiment in Antarctica searching for high-energy particles from outer space to find it. All you had to do was watch Tucker Carlson, the top-rated Fox News host who has gone so far off the deep end with his pro-Kremlin rants that even Russian media is worried his lunacy reflects badly on them.).

The frozen seafood heir turned human fountain of anti-American bullshit is not, however, the only Republican seeking the limelight these days to spew indefensible nonsense that only draws attention to their own past failings.

Mike Pompeo, the former secretary of state, wrote an op-ed for Fox News headlined: "Russia-Ukraine conflict puts Biden administration's weakness on full display. "

It opens with a giant self-inflicted wound, making the case that the current administration is showing "abject weakness" by arguing that Biden was weak with Iran—ignoring the Trump administration's gift to Iran of pulling the USA Out of the nuclear treaty, thus freeing Iran to ramp up their region-destabilizing nuclear program, as has happened. Pompeo also says Biden was weak in Afghanistan for finally pulling the USA Out of its longest war—an act that was hastened by Pompeo's own negotiations with the Taliban and Trump's decision to cut and run at an earlier date in a manner that would have been even more devastating. And Pompeo slams Biden for failing to be tough with China—a country with which Trump and his kids canoodled for profit even while he was in office.

But reality ain't no thing to Pompeo, a man who all by himself is the answer to the question, "What's the Matter with Kansas?

So, let's go to the tape. What has Biden done?

Reject Putin's demands? Check.

Prepare massive, multi-tiered sanctions against Russia that are ready to go into effect the minute Russian troops cross the border? Check.

Guarantee to support Ukraine? Check.

Rally the allies? Check.

Not noted, of course, in Pompeo's prescription, were the steps the Trump team took to cozy up to Russia, undercut relations with Ukraine by firing an effective ambassador and withholding aid in exchange for help with a domestic political agenda, regularly criticize NATO, and—as noted above—withdraw US troops from Europe that are now central to Biden's strong response to this crisis.

Pompeo is not alone.

The "Biden is weak" chorus in Foxlandia has been strong and incorporated many of those who, along with Trump, dramatically weakened America's standing in the world. (If you don't think Putin's current threat to Ukraine was based in part on his calculation that Trump's divisiveness and assault on USA Democracy has weakened us, then you are not paying attention.)

Human weathervane Nikki Haley—who, like her colleagues, does not seem to remember Trump's shameful display of kissing up to Putin at the expense of the USA Intelligence community in Helsinki—stated: "Russia smells blood in the water because we have never had a president as weak as Joe Biden. "

Former Trump Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe, who undermined the USA Intelligence community by turning his post atop it into a political operation regularly contradicting the findings of his own people, also had the audacity to criticize Biden—who has been put into the position of spending much of his term undoing the damage done by Trump and his team.

Who else chimed in? None other than disgraced former Speaker of the House turned crackpot-for-hire Newt Gingrich. He not only repeated the canards about Biden and Putin, but also argued that Biden was weak on China.

The reality is: Biden pulled out of Afghanistan to complete the pivot to Asia that others have discussed but not made a reality, elevated the core Pacific alliance known as the Quad with its first leaders summit, created a new security alliance in the region with AUKUS, and brought a new realism to USA -China policy, framing the strategic competition between the two countries in tougher terms than any of his modern predecessors.

The reality also holds that Trump's record on Russia—and the damage he did with our allies and at home—set the stage for the crisis that Biden and his team are expertly managing today. Don't forget Trump said on the campaign trail that he would consider lifting sanctions on Russia and recognizing occupied Crimea as Russian land. His rationale? "The people of Crimea," Trump said, "from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were. ".

Gingrich is worried Biden's not being tough enough on Russia and China? Trump lobbied to have Russia be allowed to rejoin the G7—which had previously booted Russia from its membership after the theft of Crimea from Ukraine. Trump even blamed the invasion of Crimea on Barack Obama, rather than Putin, saying it was Obama's fault "because Putin didn't respect President Obama, didn't respect our country. "

In other words, not only are the GOP critiques of Biden's handling of this crisis completely out of place, they are stunningly hypocritical and stunningly craven—even for this group of compulsive liars. It's all part of a calculated disinformation campaign designed to both inflame the GOP base while also providing cover for the manifold errors and betrayals of the Trump years.

Finally, the GOP slanders are proof that, once again, the Trumpist GOP's initial response to almost everything is projection. In their accusations that Biden is weak they reveal not only their fear that he is actually strong, but are projecting their own desperate weaknesses in bearing the impossible burden of having to defend their records as part of the worst of any American administration in history.

ScatManDoo
01-30-22, 19:29
Who wants to bet that if he replies to this post, he will use some form of the term "fake news" 'cause that's really all he does. You called it exactly correct.

I think he has also called the Wall Street Journal "fake news" when it proved other right wingnut talking points as false.

Delusions run deep for some.

Canada
01-30-22, 19:36
"You would think that given the fact Donald Trump was impeached for illegally withholding congressionally approved aid to Ukraine, his supporters might take the current crisis as an opportunity to have a seat.

You would think that since Trump in June 2020 advocated for drawing down USA Troops in Germany, and after having spent years weakening NATO with his attacks and criticisms, that the current urgent need for strength within the Western alliance would have Trumpists hitting their own mute buttons.

You would think that with Russia threatening the international order over the possibility of invading a sovereign neighbor, the Trump-cheering section would dial it down a bit given the 45th president's signature public toadying to Vladimir Putin, the man who singlehandedly created the current crisis.

You might even think that since the response of the Biden administration to the current Russian threat has been dramatically more robust than the responses of the last three administrations to Putin's aggressions, incursions, and violations of international law, that Team Trump might even offer up a little praise for the current president. After all, even Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell did, for goodness sakes. There are vital national security interests at stake, after all..Keep living in the past. You will have no future talking about the past when the USA has the most incompetent president ever. Most of the American people and the world knows Biden is taking the USA to new lows. A Republican president in the future is going to have his work cut out to clean up Biden mess. Just like Trump had to clean up some of Obama's mess.

Cali Guy
01-30-22, 19:39
Ignore the obvious. If you live in USA right now you know that Biden is the worst president in the last 40 years. It is right there in front of you every day. From Afghanistan to the open borders. From highest inflation in over 40 years to highest crime rates seen in decades. From high gas prices to possible war in Ukraine. We are living it every day. Posting about past presidents or administrations with fake news posts is just irresponsible and foolish. America is waking up to this disaster. You need to also.Facts are facts and democrats are finally seeing it. Democrats across the nation are condemning Biden disasters.

Cali Guy
01-30-22, 19:40
"We The People".

We the people in all we do.

Reserve the right to scream "Fuck you".

(Hey-yeah) ow.

(Hey-yeah) huh..Great song. Lets go Brandon.

PVMonger
01-30-22, 19:48
You called it exactly correct.

I think he has also called the Wall Street Journal "fake news" when it proved other right wingnut talking points as false.

Delusions run deep for some.He used the term "fake news" on Business Insider. Fascists just can't believe that the former guy was as bad as he was.

If FUX "News" ever told the truth, his head would explode.

PVMonger
01-30-22, 19:54
Keep living in the past. You will have no future talking about the past when the USA has the most incompetent president ever. Most of the American people and the world knows Biden is taking the USA to new lows. A Republican president in the future is going to have his work cut out to clean up Biden mess. Just like Trump had to clean up some of Obama's mess.Living in the past means keeping the focus on all of the criminal acts committed by the one-term, twice-impeached former guy, his thieving children and the idiots who tried to overturn the election. Also the duped Republican legislators and the former guy's full-of-it supporters.

That's the only reason you fascists are howling at the moon over things that everybody knows a President has not control over. Because when the criminality comes to light, there isn't going to be a single place in the US that they can hide. Well, the former guy can take his kids and his wife and go to Russia. The rest of the fascists can't.

Xpartan
01-30-22, 20:28
He used the term "fake news" on Business Insider. Fascists just can't believe that the former guy was as bad as he was.

If FUX "News" ever told the truth, his head would explode.Not really. They screamed at Chris Wallace on more than one occasion.

This crowd are like true religious fundamentalists. They don't take kindly to any dissent -- from anyone.

EihTooms
01-30-22, 21:09
Keep living in the past. You will have no future talking about the past when the USA has the most incompetent president ever. Most of the American people and the world knows Biden is taking the USA to new lows. A Republican president in the future is going to have his work cut out to clean up Biden mess. Just like Trump had to clean up some of Obama's mess.Yes, as soon as the Repubs throw out likely Dem ballots and only count Repub votes to install another Repub president who is openly laughed at by our allies for his astonishing ignorance of foreign affairs, wipes out millions of USA jobs with the Repubs' typically disastrous economic decisions, racks up a housing and financial crises or two, at least one Bear Market crash every couple of years along with the requisite Great Repub Recession, you'll feel much better.

Canada
01-30-22, 21:47
Living in the past means keeping the focus on all of the criminal acts committed by the one-term, twice-impeached former guy, his thieving children and the idiots who tried to overturn the election. Also the duped Republican legislators and the former guy's full-of-it supporters.

That's the only reason you fascists are howling at the moon over things that everybody knows a President has not control over. Because when the criminality comes to light, there isn't going to be a single place in the US that they can hide. Well, the former guy can take his kids and his wife and go to Russia. The rest of the fascists can't.No future for you. You can't let go of the past. Just like a broken record. You are so amazed by the great job Trump did as president that it gets under your skin and you have to talk about it constantly. The past is for losers.

PVMonger
01-31-22, 04:03
No future for you. You can't let go of the past. Just like a broken record. You are so amazed by the great job Trump did as president that it gets under your skin and you have to talk about it constantly. The past is for losers.I am absolutely amazed that the one-term, twice-impeached former guy continues to prattle on about a stolen election, 18+ months ago. I am absolutely amazed that he brings up lots of other old stuff at his propaganda events. I guess he isn't living in the past. (snicker, snicker).

I realize that you fascists aren't very smart, so I'll say this once more. We are keeping the focus on January 6th so that America doesn't forget. You fascists, on the other hand, are running away from the mess created by the one-term, twice-impeached former guy as fast as you can. Why else would you keep howling at the moon?

John Clayton
01-31-22, 04:45
I am absolutely amazed ... Why else would you keep howling at the moon?In a cult, one believes. The essence of a cult is that it is self sealing. In order to avoid the pain of cognitive dissonance, contrary evidence causing a hole in the bubble or cocoon, is immediately sealed off to preserve the beauty of the imaginary tapestry.

ScatManDoo
01-31-22, 05:07
Keep living in the past. You will have no future talking about the pastWe will have a much brighter future when the politicians (and their operatives) that committed crimes are appropriately punished.

In the meantime, exposure of their crimes against our constitution will greatly help the public identify who deserves their votes in future elections.

Donald Trump is a criminal and is headed for jail for crimes he committed in the past.

I look forward to campaigns happening at the same time as some of the trials. All prosecutions correctly deal with the past.

Axel Heyst
01-31-22, 06:23
Mr. Zuckerberg, among several other elite, leftists, personally gave $420 million dollars to couple of "non-partisan," tax-exempt political operations: The Center for Technology and Civic Life and The Center for Election Innovation and Research.

It turns out these two "centers" are about as non-partisan as Nancy Pelosi. And through these two centers hired "Vote Navigators" and paid them well to canvas mostly poor neighborhoods that traditionally vote for Democrats. Often, these ballot mercenaries would go inside the homes of voters.

Even though it is a crime in all 50 states to "electioneer" at polling places where you walk into and vote, it is not a criminal activity for a third party to interfere with a mail-in ballot. That's the vital loophole.

So thousands of navigators flooded the democrat precincts in Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Virginia. All states that were close between Biden and Trump.

The navigators "assisted" voters in filling out ballots and at times, "cured" mistakes. That means they corrected ballots so they wouldn't be thrown out.

Sometimes the hired political guns took the actual ballots from the folks and brought them to polling places. That is called "bundling. " It is also election interference. The result was a much higher vote count for Joe Biden, as citizens who rarely participate in elections did so with the tutoring and the bundled ballots were 99% for Biden.

This is why the left loves mail-in ballots so much. They can easily be manipulated with guys like Zuckerberg donating cash to make it happen.

Donald Trump lost some of the states mentioned above by extremely small margins. So, this is an enormously important story. But most Americans did not see this news on the network news or cable news because the fix is in. A situation of this magnitude should be front page, lead on TV, for days, weeks, but it was not reported at all and so "the steal" could very well continue next time around. The Democratic Party is depending on it. Obviously they can't win elections anymore without cheating and the press covers their disgusting crime because they are in on the act. And so our democracy dies.

Now who are you calling a Fascist, Fascist?

Canada
01-31-22, 16:23
I am absolutely amazed that the one-term, twice-impeached former guy continues to prattle on about a stolen election, 18+ months ago. I am absolutely amazed that he brings up lots of other old stuff at his propaganda events. I guess he isn't living in the past. (snicker, snicker).

I realize that you fascists aren't very smart, so I'll say this once more. We are keeping the focus on January 6th so that America doesn't forget. You fascists, on the other hand, are running away from the mess created by the one-term, twice-impeached former guy as fast as you can. Why else would you keep howling at the moon?Yes. Really and your post just proves my point. You are still talking about Trump in every post. The only ones running from the mess of Biden is the socialists. Republicans and democrats aren't worried about Trump. They are worried about the incompetent president messing things up today. Prove me right again with your next post about Trump.

PVMonger
01-31-22, 17:36
Mr. Zuckerberg, among several other elite, leftists, personally gave $420 million dollars to couple of "non-partisan," tax-exempt political operations: The Center for Technology and Civic Life and The Center for Election Innovation and Research.

It turns out these two "centers" are about as non-partisan as Nancy Pelosi. And through these two centers hired "Vote Navigators" and paid them well to canvas mostly poor neighborhoods that traditionally vote for Democrats. Often, these ballot mercenaries would go inside the homes of voters.

Even though it is a crime in all 50 states to "electioneer" at polling places where you walk into and vote, it is not a criminal activity for a third party to interfere with a mail-in ballot. That's the vital loophole.

So thousands of navigators flooded the democrat precincts in Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Virginia. All states that were close between Biden and Trump.

The navigators "assisted" voters in filling out ballots and at times, "cured" mistakes. That means they corrected ballots so they wouldn't be thrown out.Now, let me destroy your rant point by idiotic point:

1. "The navigators "assisted" voters in filling out ballots and at times, "cured" mistakes. That means they corrected ballots so they wouldn't be thrown out." So your point is that helping to fix a ballot so it wouldn't be thrown out should be illegal? If you fascists would admit that you only want white, male property-owners to vote, everything would be much simpler. And why are you fascists always talking about the states that were "close". Are you saying that it was OK to "cure" ballots in Ohio but not in Arizona? See, that's the problem with virtually every argument you fascists make. You only look at the states that were "close" as though everything was fine in states like South Dakota and Nebraska, etc. Are you willing to say that all of the down ballot races in the states that the one-term, twice-impeached former guy lost were tainted by this curing process? Of course you don't mention that, do you? Because saying out loud that curing ballots and having someone else deliver your ballot only affected the Presidential race but none of the other races would make you look, what? Foolish.

2. "Sometimes the hired political guns took the actual ballots from the folks and brought them to polling places. That is called "bundling. " It is also election interference. The result was a much higher vote count for Joe Biden, as citizens who rarely participate in elections did so with the tutoring and the bundled ballots were 99% for Biden." Bundling is not election interference and is allowed in many states. The only reason you fascists want to stop it is the same reason that you want to eliminate mail-in voting altogether. If you make it harder to vote, fewer Democrats will vote. If voting were made easier, the fascists would never win another election. In fact, the one-term, twice-impeached former guy said exactly that not too long ago. https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-10-who-can-collect-and-return-an-absentee-ballot-other-than-the-voter.aspx.

3. "Donald Trump lost some of the states mentioned above by extremely small margins. So, this is an enormously important story. But most Americans did not see this news on the network news or cable news because the fix is in." This is just a re-hash of the "trump was leading at midnight but was behind in the morning" argument. Virtually every main stream media outlet (NBC, ABC, CBS) mentioned the "red wave". FUX "News" didn't, of course, because it didn't fit their, or your, narrative. See, the "red wave" was brought on by Republican states handcuffing their vote counters by (in almost all cases) requiring them to not start processing mail-in votes until the polls closed. Since processing mail-in votes takes an inordinate about of time, these same fascist-controlled states made sure that mail-in vote processing was severely delayed. Therefore, even though the one-term, twice-impeached former guy was ahead in "at the polls" voting, he would slowly and inexorably start losing that margin as the heavily-Democratic mail-in votes were counted. That's why the one-term, twice-impeached former guy said to stop counting votes at midnight. So what if it disenfranchised millions and millions of voters.

4. "The Democratic Party is depending on it. Obviously they can't win elections anymore without cheating and the press covers their disgusting crime because they are in on the act." Isn't this the same as calling "the press" fake news? We non-fascists are tired of you fascists rehashing the past.

PVMonger
01-31-22, 17:43
In a major setback for the former President, constitutional-law experts have determined that Donald J. Trump's claim of having won the Presidency twice disqualifies him from ever running again.

At a convention of constitutional scholars over the weekend, more than four hundred experts unanimously agreed that Trump's declaration of two White House victories means that he has reached the Presidential term limit as defined by the Twenty-second Amendment.

"The Twenty-second Amendment clearly states, 'No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice,' " Davis Logsdon, a professor of constitutional law at the University of Minnesota, said. "Since Trump claims that he was elected for a second time in 2020, he has eliminated himself from any future White House bid."

"Frankly, I'm surprised that the people on his legal team, like Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani, didn't look into this," he said.

Logsdon said that, although Trump has rendered another Presidential bid impossible, he could still make productive use of his years as an ex-President, "perhaps by building houses, like Jimmy Carter."

In a sharply worded statement, from his home in Palm Beach, Trump lashed out at the authors of the Twenty-second Amendment. "The people who wrote that amendment are doing a terrible job and should be locked up," he said.

Xpartan
01-31-22, 18:32
Mr. Zuckerberg, among several other elite, leftists, BLAH BLAH BLAHThere is one and one thing only that concerns Mr. Zuckerberg -- to make sure his platform never lose a single penny. From anyone. The Blood Orange would've never made it to the White House had it not been for Mr. Zuckerberg. You should build a shrine to this dude.

Top Facebook exec: Yes, we got Trump elected and it may happen again.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/tech/boz-trump-facebook/index.html

Axel Heyst
01-31-22, 19:07
Xpartan, you conflate two completely different issues. The issue I spoke of is a very serious concern about the integrity of all future elections in the USA. It is essentially election interference where thousands of paid left wing navigators flood the democrat precincts in Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Virginia. (All states that were close between Biden and Trump) and these navigators "assisted" voters in filling out ballots and at times, "cured" mistakes. That means they corrected ballots so they wouldn't be thrown out. And many times these hired political guns took the actual ballots from the folks and brought them to polling places. That is called "bundling. " This is election interference. The result was a much higher vote count for Joe Biden, as citizens who rarely participate in elections did so with the tutoring and the bundled ballots results were 99% for Biden.

The issue you are bringing up is one of an astute politician using the internet format to his advantage. To wit, Trump in 2016 was able to use Facebook and other internet forums to effectively go around the left wing news media blockade and reach out to voters directly. Clinton could have done the same, but she was not skillful enough to do it plus she relied on the false idea that she had the election all sewed up. Zuckerberg et all were shocked by the 2016 election results which is the main reason they went to such great lengths including unprecedented election interference to prevent Trump from winning in 2020.

There is no doubt in my mind that Trump will run in 2024 and he will use all media formats available to him to reach out to the voters and to convince them to vote for him. Whoever runs against Trump in 2024, and it will not be Biden, can, should, and will do likewise. This is the American way. But election interference: the paid solicitation, bundling, and harvesting of ballots is a completely different matter and it threatens our very democracy. The sanctity of the ballot, the idea of one citizen / one vote done in the privacy to the voting booth without coercion or undue influence should be tantamount because it is the cornerstone of our Republic. It is really shocking to me and millions of other Americans that the radicalized, Wok, Democratic Party no longer agrees with this fundamental principle.

And so, Lets go Brandon! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77JOGi7U0qw It is time to take our country back!

Canada
01-31-22, 20:49
We will have a much brighter future when the politicians (and their operatives) that committed crimes are appropriately punished.

In the meantime, exposure of their crimes against our constitution will greatly help the public identify who deserves their votes in future elections.

Donald Trump is a criminal and is headed for jail for crimes he committed in the past.

I look forward to campaigns happening at the same time as some of the trials. All prosecutions correctly deal with the past.You are confident that Trump will go to jail for made up charges. I know he won't go to jail so let's make a friendly wager. We bet $10,000 and both of us put it at an independent lawyer office. Statute of limitations is probably 7 years so in 6 years one of us wins or loses $10,000. Good mongering money.

Cali Guy
01-31-22, 21:00
Biden will appoint a black woman to the Supreme Court. It is not about qualifications for the court but it is about race. Racism at its finest. The most qualified candidate will not be appointed because they are not a black woman. 76% of Americans think that every candidate should have an equal chance. Racists disagree. USA will end up with another Biden disaster just like the Vice President. Biden is paying the price with a worthless VP and he will again with this appointment. Let's go Brandon.

ScatManDoo
02-01-22, 00:20
You are confident that Trump will go to jail for made up charges. I know he won't go to jail so let's make a friendly wager. We bet $10,000 and both of us put it at an independent lawyer office. Statute of limitations is probably 7 years so in 6 years one of us wins or loses $10,000. Good mongering money.A person can go broke betting that rich criminals in the United States will go to jail.

The safe bet in America is investing in jails to house poor people that get charged with crimes. They often go to jail before they're convicted.

No ex president has ever been charged with a crime, much less locked up for one.

I believe Donald Trump is guilty of many crimes.

I believe that Donald Trump will, in time, go to prison for some of his crimes.

I would support that.

But I would never bet on it.

PVMonger
02-01-22, 01:04
Biden will appoint a black woman to the Supreme Court. It is not about qualifications for the court but it is about race. Racism at its finest. The most qualified candidate will not be appointed because they are not a black woman. 76% of Americans think that every candidate should have an equal chance. Racists disagree. USA will end up with another Biden disaster just like the Vice President. Biden is paying the price with a worthless VP and he will again with this appointment. Let's go Brandon.Fascists have ignored the fact that President Biden said "I will nominate will be someone with extraordinary qualifications, character, experience and integrity. And that person will be the first Black woman ever nominated to the United States Supreme Court."

What fascists heard was "Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah Black woman." For some reason, the fascists believe (because they are racists either in or out of the closet) that the best Black woman he could nominate is significantly worse than any white man he could nominate. They believe that Biden's nomination process will be to go to the mall and yell out "Yo, Shaniqua, come with me. I've got a job for you."

Biden will pick someone who is qualified wo also happens to be a Black woman. It is the fascist, racist Republican party who, like always, is trying to make this about race.

PVMonger
02-01-22, 01:12
Yes. Really and your post just proves my point. You are still talking about Trump in every post. The only ones running from the mess of Biden is the socialists. Republicans and democrats aren't worried about Trump. They are worried about the incompetent president messing things up today. Prove me right again with your next post about Trump.What you originally said was "You can't let go of the past. " When I destroyed that argument by saying that the one-term, twice-impeached former guy keeps talking about the past, you moved the goalposts. Again.

Is that all you fascists do? 1. Make a fallacious argument; 2. Get schooled; 3. Move the goalposts.

Sorry, sweetie, but the only ones running from things are the fascists who are running from January 6th as fast as their little fascist legs can carry them. But now they have hope because the one-term, twice-impeached, want to-be-dictator says he will now pardon them.

EihTooms
02-01-22, 03:17
When the only notable legislative effort of one Party over several years has been to repeal and not replace the Affordable Care Act and every Repub and 2 Dems in the Senate vote No on, say, reducing the monthly cost of insulin from about $1,000 to a more realistic $35, they're going to get more lovin' from the folks who bill you for that healthcare coverage:

Companies, execs gave nearly $300,000 to Manchin campaign after he rejected Biden bill

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/31/joe-manchin-campaign-gets-big-donations-from-corporations-executives.html?__source=androidappshare

EihTooms
02-01-22, 03:31
Xpartan, you conflate two completely different issues. The issue I spoke of is a very serious concern about the integrity of all future elections in the USA. It is essentially election interference where thousands of paid left wing navigators flood the democrat precincts in Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Virginia. (All states that were close between Biden and Trump) and these navigators "assisted" voters in filling out ballots and at times, "cured" mistakes. That means they corrected ballots so they wouldn't be thrown out. And many times these hired political guns took the actual ballots from the folks and brought them to polling places. That is called "bundling. " This is election interference. The result was a much higher vote count for Joe Biden, as citizens who rarely participate in elections did so with the tutoring and the bundled ballots results were 99% for Biden.

The issue you are bringing up is one of an astute politician using the internet format to his advantage. To wit, Trump in 2016 was able to use Facebook and other internet forums to effectively go around the left wing news media blockade and reach out to voters directly. Clinton could have done the same, but she was not skillful enough to do it plus she relied on the false idea that she had the election all sewed up. Zuckerberg et all were shocked by the 2016 election results which is the main reason they went to such great lengths including unprecedented election interference to prevent Trump from winning in 2020.Trump has now revealed and admitted, in writing, that he was only interested in changing the outcome of the election by overturning it and overthrowing American democracy. Nothing about "righting a wrong" that was done or "stopping the steal".

Trump Admits He Wanted Pence to Overturn the Election

https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/01/trump-admits-he-wanted-pence-to-overturn-the-election/

Axel Heyst
02-01-22, 03:46
Biden will appoint a black woman to the Supreme Court. It is not about qualifications for the court but it is about race. Racism at its finest. The most qualified candidate will not be appointed because they are not a black woman. 76% of Americans think that every candidate should have an equal chance. Racists disagree. USA will end up with another Biden disaster just like the Vice President. Biden is paying the price with a worthless VP and he will again with this appointment. Let's go Brandon.Cali, of course this is Woke racism at it's most discriminatory and most obvious. The selection is based solely on the color of one's skin. But racism is the bedrock foundation of the radical Woke Marxist Democratic Party. There is nothing new here. What is interesting, however, is the racist selection process does not matter one iota to the party faithful and the radical left calling the shots that 76% of Americans think stinks. So one more time Uncle Joe will shoot himself in the foot and go ahead with this selection anyway regardless of the huge political price he and his party will pay for this travesty of the American promise. He dutifully follows his marching orders because he is too mentally challenged to understand how loathsome this is to most Americans of all parties, races, and regions and as a result how harmful it is to what is left of his sinking presidency.

Let's Go Brandon! Keep it up Joe. I don't want to see your party just defeated in the next election. I want to see it decimated in the next election. Hee Haw!

PVMonger
02-01-22, 03:54
Biden will appoint a black woman to the Supreme Court. It is not about qualifications for the court but it is about race. Racism at its finest. The most qualified candidate will not be appointed because they are not a black woman. 76% of Americans think that every candidate should have an equal chance. Racists disagree. USA will end up with another Biden disaster just like the Vice President. Biden is paying the price with a worthless VP and he will again with this appointment. Let's go Brandon.And neither did Republicans.

Your boy Ronnie said, in 1980, that he'd appoint a woman to the SCOTUS. Evidently he didn't feel the need to justify it further and neither did Republicans. So Ronnie was prepared to not choose a man if he were better qualified and Republicans didn't say a word.

But that was 40+ years when Republicans weren't fascists, racists, homophobes, xenophobes and misogynists.