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Elvis 2008

06-30-22, 20:30

Yes, my portolio is adequately diversified to weather a temporary inflationary period.No, it is not. If it was, you would not be down. You do not know what you are doing.

Except you didn't short Biden's policies. Not until more than a year later. Anyone can be a Monday morning quarterback, even you. If you really believed Biden's policies were wrong for the country and the markets, why didn't you initiate your short position on Inauguration Day?Obviously, you did not look up why I went short. When the Fed takes rates down to 0% and the government is handing out money like candy, assets go up. When they pull back the giving and rates go up, assets go down. Again, you keep bringing up who instead of what. I invest based on events and policies. I do not invest on whom. That you invest on a Democrat being in office and "high quality", whatever that means, shows me you are an amateur. I asked you a question and you do not answer it. Let's try again, Mr. High Quality. Why did Apple go down in price?

That lease dictates what the rental payments are, so your claim they can raise rents was false. What you stupidly do not get is that real estate this time is not a good instrument to invest in when you have inflation. When there is inflation, the Fed raises rates and that makes your REIT's value go down. Why is that smart guy?

Also, on top of rates going higher, the Fed has gone from buying MBS to selling them. That you are fighting the Fed shows once again that you are an amateur.

I always know when I have blistered a narcissist (that would be you Elvis). When you veer completely off topic and start talking about Covid, and start calling people names. That is when I know you are frustrated and feeling inadequate.

Remind me, who was it that predicted that absolutely the deaths from Covid would not exceed 80,000 in the US. (They topped 1 million a while back). Who claimed Sweden was a great model to follow. They didn't lockdown while their neighbors all did. Well enough time has passed. What does the evidence show (Worldometer) Sweden had nearly 2 times as many deaths per capita from Covid compared to Denmark (a much more densely populated country). Nearly 3 times as many deaths per capita as Finland and 4 times as many deaths per capita as Norway.You accuse me of veering off point then do the same. You are down huge, and I am up huge. You are the narcissist because your dumb ass cannot admit defeat. Look at the scoreboard motherfucker. What do you have to brag about?

And once again, you do not answer the question, so I will answer it for you. You dumb Dems think that lockdowns were worth it, and that there will be no price for it. Hey, I got a great idea. Let's print money and pay people not to work and invest in the stock market. Look it is a miracle. We had a pandemic and everyone is richer now. Yeah, that is what happens when you rack up cash advances with a credit card.

Sane people know that these cash advances cannot work for long, and the time to go short the market was when the bill comes due which is now. You are so fucking stupid you think that somehow magically that bill never comes due. Hell, why not just print all this money and no one has to work? Seriously, that is the genius Democratic plan.

Paulie97

06-30-22, 21:23

I always know when I have blistered a narcissist (that would be you Elvis). When you veer completely off topic and start talking about Covid, and start calling people names. That is when I know you are frustrated and feeling inadequate.

Remind me, who was it that predicted that absolutely the deaths from Covid would not exceed 80,000 in the US. (They topped 1 million a while back). Who claimed Sweden was a great model to follow. They didn't lockdown while their neighbors all did. Well enough time has passed. What does the evidence show (Worldometer) Sweden had nearly 2 times as many deaths per capita from Covid compared to Denmark (a much more densely populated country). Nearly 3 times as many deaths per capita as Finland and 4 times as many deaths per capita as Norway.Elvis is too busy here posting across numerous threads to be any kind of financial wizard, but the whole Covid business was so easy just by looking at history. I called it a 2 to 3 year event based on pandemics or "plagues" across the known world, plus regional epidemics that have occurred throughout recorded history. What was needed from the far right was more patience and less whining, politicizing, conspiracy theory chasing, and doing the Chicken Little. Plus an accurate and reasonable perspective does wonders for one's blood pressure.

The illness is becoming endemic. Restrictions, masks and the like were wise for a while to buy time to develop effective treatments and vaccines while keeping hospitals from overflowing. Now there are vaccines, and even more importantly, effective treatments. The govt has been giving away free home test kits and I have a store of them. If one suspects they have it do a test and if positive then call the doc without delay. There are some excellent oral treatments available, especially when started early.

Villainy

06-30-22, 21:30

They are not "claims". It is a verified voice message from Sleepy Joe to Heroin Hunter. It proves that he was deeply involved with Hunter's dubious business deals ("10% for the big guy") and that he lied when he stated that he knew nothing about them.

We have prima facie evidence, from his own mouth, that the sitting president lied about a serious, potentially criminal matter. And yet most of the mainstream media is refusing even to mention it. Why?

Because they are fake news.I listened to that you-tube clip several times. I didn't hear one single word about "dubious business deals". I did hear him say "I think you're clear" but what does that mean?

You're clear of that driving with a suspended license charge? You're in the clear from attending that Jeffrey Epstein party? You're clear from the reports that said you were using drugs again?

You want to take a few ambiguous words from a recorded conversation and turn it into a conspiracy theory, and you're completely aghast that reputable media isn't interested in spreading the story.

Is it possible that your political beliefs have completely over-ridden any semblance of judgement?

Villainy

07-01-22, 01:36

No, the deaths *with* covid, plus other co-morbidities which actually caused the death, topped a million. Deaths from covid and no other co-morbidities are well under 80,000.So you're saying: They died from Co-vid but they had something else wrong with them so they don't count? I'm sure the scientists will love to hear about this way of rationalizing the number of deaths from Covid.

Chris P

07-01-22, 01:46

I listened to that you-tube clip several times. I didn't hear one single word about "dubious business deals". I did hear him say "I think you're clear" but what does that mean?

You're clear of that driving with a suspended license charge? You're in the clear from attending that Jeffrey Epstein party? You're clear from the reports that said you were using drugs again?

You want to take a few ambiguous words from a recorded conversation and turn it into a conspiracy theory, and you're completely aghast that reputable media isn't interested in spreading the story.

Is it possible that your political beliefs have completely over-ridden any semblance of judgement?Ah. You're acting dumb. Not a stretch for you, I suppose.

As you know, the voicemail was regarding Hunter's dubious business deals with some Chinese tycoon. That is the context, and is why Sleepy Joe referred to an article on the matter which was about to be published.

The real questions are: why did Biden lie when he said he had no idea at all about any of his son's dubious business deals (despite being referred to as "the big guy", as in "10% for the big guy" and secondly, why does the mainstream (fake news) media show no interest in investigating why a sitting president lied about a potentially criminal matter?

But of course, to ask is to answer.

MarquisdeSade1

07-01-22, 04:34

Xpartan

07-01-22, 04:46

Great story! Do you report for CNN or MSNBC?No, Just like you, I only report for ISG -- the only political forum that matters.

EihTooms

07-01-22, 05:47

Yes they are all so altruistic.

How about they do something about that homeless issue LOL.

Oh wait they don't give a fuck junkies are shitting all over the place like the 3rd world shithole that it is.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/diarrhea-poured-on-woman-hollywood-homeless/2112762/

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2022/06/29/iranian-state-media-mocks-kamala-harriss-abortion-comments/

Another California mental midget, she even makes nutty Nancy look smart LOL.Well, when you and your fellow classic Repubs finally eliminate the separation of church and state in the USA, turn America into a full blown talking snake Theocracy and establish beyond legal defence that Life Begins at Ejaculation, you can spend the time you used to spend mongering kneeling at the site of the Trump Taj Mahal Bankruptcy Memorial praying that the top income margins use some of their Repub Supply-Side / Trickle-Down windfall money to, you know, create a job or two someday.

LOL. Killing babies. Is the Morning After pill a murder weapon now? A BBBJ+CIM must surely be some form of infanticide too.

Villainy

07-01-22, 11:23

No, it is not. If it was, you would not be down. You don't even know what diversification is. Or you don't understand it. Being diversified doesn't mean you can't be down in a down year.

You do not know what you are doing.Elvis you don't know anything about investing. You don't know the difference between investing and speculating. You don't know the difference between fundamental analysis and technical analysis. You don't know the difference between alpha and beta risk. Stick to telling us about the perfect 10 you've been bedding. At least that fantasy can't be disproved.

When the Fed takes rates down to 0% and the government is handing out money like candy, assets go up. When they pull back the giving and rates go up, assets go down.I don't think you have ever taken a basic macro economics course.

Again, you keep bringing up who instead of what. I invest based on events and policies. I do not invest on whom. That you invest on a Democrat being in office and "high quality", whatever that means, shows me you are an amateur. I asked you a question and you do not answer it. Let's try again, Mr. High Quality. Why did Apple go down in price?Now that is a tough question. Why did Apple go down. That would involve the interplay of many things.

1. Apple ran up over 25% in the 4th quarter of 2021. It has retreated back to about that same level this year.

2. Apple is a growth stock which is in all the index funds. As the market started dipping the fund managers sold off their largest gainers to lock in their profits.

As a result a lot of the biggest gainers (tech stocks) sold off substantially.

3. Apple is experiencing supply chain problems. You might know (I'm never sure with you) that Apple assembles a large percentage of their products in China.

When China started locking down due to Covid in 2022 (yes this year) their supply chain disruption has been causing many analysts to doubt Apple can get.

Their products to stores in sufficient quantity to meet analyst projections.

4. At least a dozen other reasons.

OH and I didn't invest when Biden took office. I started investing when Ford was in office.

That lease dictates what the rental payments are, so your claim they can raise rents was false. What you stupidly do not get is that real estate this time is not a good instrument to invest in when you have inflation. When there is inflation, the Fed raises rates and that makes your REIT's value go down. Why is that smart guy?Sorry Elvis, your ignorance is showing. REITs can't raise their rents willy-nilly, they have a lease agreement. Net Lease REITs have annual escalators that increase rent based on the change in the CPI. So, inflation is higher, lease anniversary comes up, rent is recalculated based on increase in CPI (Consumer Price Index). It's really pretty basic, I'm surprised that someone who claims to be so knowledgeable about everything didn't know that.

Also, on top of rates going higher, the Fed has gone from buying MBS to selling them. That you are fighting the Fed shows once again that you are an amateur.You're talking about unwinding Quantitative Easing. That means the Fed (Federal Reserve) is selling off some of the securities that they purchased. Those are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bonds which are backed by home mortgages. Those MBS (Mortgage Backed Securities) are supported by home loans not commercial loans. The majority of REITs own commercial properties. (Yes their are some housing REITs too). So how would I be fighting the Fed exactly? I would love to hear how you try to explain that one.

Gino02

07-01-22, 14:36

No, Just like you, I only report for ISG -- the only political forum that matters.With your talent and passion, you should be a reporter or editor in CNN or MSNBC. Unlike me spreading lies in this ISG forum about Buyden's failures compared to Trump's successes, you can actually make a difference in people's lives through your honest investigative journalism.

JustTK

07-01-22, 14:48

Great discussion with Krystal Ball on the failures of US politics, both Reps and Dems, and the lies of Biden (as we all discussed a few weeks ago).

Krystal Ball is from USA, so hopoefully you will have no trouble understanding her. She certainly talks a fantastic game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFymgJ1e0hg&t=900s

PVMonger

07-01-22, 14:51

After wading through your usual torrent of verbal diarrhea there is still no answer for why no serious countries have mass mail-in voting.

That is of course because it is obviously unsecure, as we saw with the pallets of hundreds of thousands of ballots, 98% for Biden, which magically materialized in democrat city counting centers, after the GOP observers had been forced out, windows boarded up, and counting stopped for several hours so they could figure out how many Biden votes they needed to come up with.

Simple common sense, as used in democracies throughout the world, is that a secure election must be held with in-person votes, verified with photo ID, on paper ballots on the day of the election. These ballots must be counted and signed off by members of both parties.I told you why but you still didn't listen.

Every single instance that you mentioned above and in your original post have been thoroughly debunked by the Republicans in charge of the elections. Every single one. But that doesn't stop you. Ohhhhhh no. You will repeat the same BS over and over again, somehow believing that if you repeat it more often, it will somehow become true.

And furthermore, if the votes for Biden were fraudulent, how come "down ballot" Republicans often received many more votes than Cheeto Tweeto? Are you saying that all of the ballots for Biden contained just a presidential vote and nothing else? Because if you are saying that, and since those ballots are required by law to be kept for a while, you should be able to file a lawsuit to examine them. But you haven't. Gee, I wonder why.

You seem to forget that every "serious country" (your words) in the world insists on Federal control of elections. Are you OK with that? Because if you aren't, you don't want the US to be a "serious country."

The Federal government determines what types of ID's are valid for registering to vote and what procedures are required if you can't provide the types of ID required. Are you OK with that? Because if you aren't, you don't want the US to be a "serious country."

The Federal government provides a voter ID card to the voter which must be used when voting. Are you OK with that? Because if you aren't, you don't want the US to be a "serious country."

The Federal government provides the voter rolls to the various polling places, often with photos of the voter. So that when you show up, your photo and signature matches the Federal government voter roll. Are you OK with that? Because if you aren't, you don't want the US to be a "serious country".

The Federal government determines the number and location of polling places and how many polling places are required for how many citizens. Are you OK with that? Because if you aren't, you don't want the US to be a "serious country".

Most "serious countries" hold elections on a weekend day and have determined that election day is a Federal holiday. Are you OK with that? Because if you aren't, you don't want the US to be a "serious country".

Because if you aren't OK with any of that, then you don't want the US to be a "serious country". Serious countries require all of the above because they understand what it takes to be serious. But you aren't OK with it, are you? You might be OK with one or two things but not all of them. Ohhhhhh no. You can BS about "seriousness" all you want, but the simple fact is that you don't want "serious". What you want is "control."

PVMonger

07-01-22, 15:13

So you're saying: They died from Co-vid but they had something else wrong with them so they don't count? I'm sure the scientists will love to hear about this way of rationalizing the number of deaths from Covid.This line of "reasoning" has long been used by RethugliKKKans who claim that virtually nobody has died from anything resembling COVID. This line of "reasoning" makes perfect sense to anyone who feels that since those folks were going to die anyway because of their pre-existing conditions, their deaths don't count.

This line of "reasoning" makes perfect sense to the folks who believe that windmills cause cancer, that the Army took over the airports during the Revolutionary War, that Italian satellites changed votes and a host of other batshit crazy things.

Paulie97

07-01-22, 16:12

So you're saying: They died from Co-vid but they had something else wrong with them so they don't count? I'm sure the scientists will love to hear about this way of rationalizing the number of deaths from Covid.Of course that's what he's saying because he's poorly educated. Poorly educated people do not know better than let others do their thinking for them. Therefore whatever affirmation comes out in a Tucker Carlson rant is accepted as the full truth then it's repeated online when they try to debate. But if someone is sleeping in their bed with high blood pressure and obesity when a Russian missile strikes and blows them up, then it's the missile that killed them, duh. Now the arrogant ass might say "well they would have died soon anyway," but they don't know that. People can live a long time with obesity and high blood pressure, especially in the modern age with effective treatments for the latter.

Chris P

07-01-22, 17:27

So you're saying: They died from Co-vid but they had something else wrong with them so they don't count?Not merely "something else wrong with them" like an ingrown toenail or papercut, but another reason entirely for why they died.

We know that the average age of death with covid is already higher than the average life expectancy; and the overwhelming majority had comorbidities that would have killed them anyway. Hospitals were incentive to add covid to death certs; notoriously there were cases of people dying in auto accidents whose corpses were tested for covid.

It's really morbidly fascinating how the wacko left likes to pretend that we were all immortal before the great scamdemic. Another example of the utter detachment from reality of the party that brought you pregnant men, child trannies, and "the world is going to end in ten years".

Chris P

07-01-22, 17:30

Of course that's what he's saying because he's poorly educated. Poorly educated people do not know better than let others do their thinking for them. Therefore whatever affirmation comes out in a Tucker Carlson rant is accepted as the full truth then it's repeated online when they try to debate. But if someone is sleeping in their bed with high blood pressure and obesity when a Russian missile strikes and blows them up, then it's the missile that killed them, duh. Now the arrogant ass might say "well they would have died soon anyway," but they don't know that. People can live a long time with obesity and high blood pressure, especially in the modern age with effective treatments for the latter.Now the wacko left is comparing the effects of the covid flu to "a Russian missile striking and blowing them up".

Insert Yakkety Sax music here.

Chris P

07-01-22, 17:35

I told you why but you still didn't listenBLABLABLA....And you continue with one of your signature long, turgid, unreadable rants which have nothing to do with the question at hand.

Why do no other democracies allow mass mail-in voting? That would be much easier than making people show up in person with photo ID on election day to cast a paper ballot. So why bother doing the latter?

It's almost as if every other democracy in the world has a reason for not wanting to spam out tens of millions of ballots to whoever, wherever, to be collected by whoever, whenever (and printed / filled out in whatever number required to overturn a lead). Whatever could that be?

Villainy

07-01-22, 18:18

No, the deaths *with* covid, plus other co-morbidities which actually caused the death, topped a million. Deaths from covid and no other co-morbidities are well under 80,000.

Of course that's what he's saying because he's poorly educated. Poorly educated people do not know better than let others do their thinking for them. Therefore whatever affirmation comes out in a Tucker Carlson rant is accepted as the full truth then it's repeated online when they try to debate. But if someone is sleeping in their bed with high blood pressure and obesity when a Russian missile strikes and blows them up, then it's the missile that killed them, duh. Now the arrogant ass might say "well they would have died soon anyway," but they don't know that. People can live a long time with obesity and high blood pressure, especially in the modern age with effective treatments for the latter.

This line of "reasoning" has long been used by RethugliKKKans who claim that virtually nobody has died from anything resembling COVID. This line of "reasoning" makes perfect sense to anyone who feels that since those folks were going to die anyway because of their pre-existing conditions, their deaths don't count.

This line of "reasoning" makes perfect sense to the folks who believe that windmills cause cancer, that the Army took over the airports during the Revolutionary War, that Italian satellites changed votes and a host of other batshit crazy things.Yes, the "logic" is absurd. Imagine the following hypothetical news story on Breitbart or Faux:

Major earthquake hit Indonesia today. 456 people are dead, but we're only counting 102 of them because the others had co-morbidities and would have died at some point anyway.

Elvis 2008

07-01-22, 20:20

Sorry Elvis, your ignorance is showing. REITs can't raise their rents willy-nilly, they have a lease agreement. Net Lease REITs have annual escalators that increase rent based on the change in the CPI. So, inflation is higher, lease anniversary comes up, rent is recalculated based on increase in CPI (Consumer Price Index). It's really pretty basic, I'm surprised that someone who claims to be so knowledgeable about everything didn't know that.Yeah, and the clients can leave, declare bankruptcy, and if land is cheap enough, go out and build on their own building and real estate is going to get cheaper when the Fed is selling MBS not buying them. That is where you are fighting the fed. You think home MBS and commercial ones do not compete with each other? Why would you think that?

As for diversification, one should not hold REITs which have a fixed yield. The REIT will go down in value due to multiple contraction which you still do not get (and that is why Apple stock went down not the bullshit reasons you mentioned).

Maybe you can figure out who said this "Interest rates are like gravity in valuations. If interest rates are nothing, values can be almost infinite. If interest rates are extremely high, that's a huge gravitational pull on values. ".

And the 0% rates and free cash is what prompted the Biden rally. And not only that, it was impossible to calculate fair value.

So asset values go down when interest rates go up, fool. Talk about lacking your basic knowledge of economics.

Secondly, Mr. Real Estate, there are ARM mortgages. Maybe you have heard of them? With an adjustable rate mortgage, people pay more to those who hold the mortgages when mortgage rates go up. There are funds called note funds which hold a pile of said mortgages. And when interest rates go up, the yield on said funds go up and the value of the fund goes up as well.

So why do you not own any note funds but REITs when the fed is raising rates? Because you are a moron.

So what happens to value stocks, growth stocks, and REITs in a high inflation / rising interest rate climate? They all go down in value, and your portfolio HAS gone down in value.

What goes up in value? Inverse ETFs that short the market, note funds, and commodities in high demand and low supply that can be raised in price over the inflation rate. At this time, that would be oil.

So you are not diversified. You just think you are. If you accuse me of not being diversified, I am guilty as charged but unlike you I know what I am doing. For me, diversification is diworseifaction. So stockbrokers say do not keep all your eggs in one basket. Someone else said, " "Keep all your eggs in one basket, but watch that basket closely. " Who was that? And who wrote a book on diworseification?

You don't know the difference between investing and speculating. You don't know the difference between fundamental analysis and technical analysis. You don't know the difference between alpha and beta risk. Stick to telling us about the perfect 10 you've been bedding. At least that fantasy can't be disproved.LOL. And this is why you are a fucking loser V. You are a dumbshit Dem who sees the world as you want it to be not how it is. Why make the accusation on analysis instead of asking? You are the moron who said commercial real estate and residential do not compete. Where did you come up with that Mr. Reality?

All asset classes compete with one another, and that is how you determine valuation. To compare yields with stocks and other instruments, you use the PE ratio. A PE of 20 is a yield of 5%. A PE of 33 is a yield of 3%. Stocks are riskier than most bonds so they command a higher yield to compensate for that risk. People can buy a 30 year fixed mortgage now yielding 6. 5%. Which is an asset secured by real estate where it is impossible said value goes to zero. Stocks go to zero all the time.

When the S&P 500 was at 4000, the PE was about 20 and the yield was about 5%. Why is the market priced the way it is? Because historically the market is priced at a PE of 15 to 17. That is a 5.8 to 6.7% yield. In addition, S&P earnings are projected to go up to a $225 to $240 from $200 or so. Despite all the issues with supply chains and rising input costs, analysts have not taken projected earnings down. Earnings reports start coming in on July 21. That is a significant date.

Another significant date was April 15 when people have to fund their retirement accounts. That is the basis of the slogan, "Sell in May and go away" and why invested shortly after that date. That is investing on fact not market timing. There are huge cash inflows into the market before April 15.

So what is fair value on the S&P with mortgages paying 6.5%? Fair value IMO is at least 8% or a PE value of 12.5. So fair valuation on the S&P is 2500 if earnings come in at $200. To justify a $4000 valuation, S&P earnings would have to come in at $320 which is insane. And that is why I am short. The market is pricing the S&P based on history instead of comparable asset classes, and earnings projections IMO are in fantasy land.

THAT is fundamental analysis dumb ass and what you have shown is you do not have a fucking clue what that is, moron.

Villainy

07-01-22, 20:41

After wading through your usual torrent of verbal diarrhea there is still no answer for why no serious countries have mass mail-in voting.Does Google not work where you live?

https://www.idea.int/news-media/news/special-voting-arrangements-svas-europe-country-postal-early-mobile-and-proxy

IDEA = The International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance (International IDEA) is an intergovernmental organization that supports sustainable democracy worldwide.

Here some of the "not so serious countries" that have mail-in voting: (Note the list only covers European countries).

Germany.

Poland.

Switzerland.

United Kingdom.

Iceland.

Luxembourg.

And then there are a number of countries that allow mail-in voting for some of their voters.

Spain.

Slovenia.

Lithuania.

Austria.

People from this group may vote by mail if they don't think they can make it to the polls (without proving a specific reason). In other words they have to apply.

That is of course because it is obviously unsecure, as we saw with the pallets of hundreds of thousands of ballots, 98% for Biden, which magically materialized in democrat city counting centers, after the GOP observers had been forced out, windows boarded up, and counting stopped for several hours so they could figure out how many Biden votes they needed to come up with.All of that is BS. Why did the Attorney General (William Barr a Trump appointee who was going to lose his job if Biden was elected) tell Trump that the DOJ (Department of Justice) investigated all these claims of voter fraud and found nothing that would have changed the election. Trump refused to believe it, of course, and neither do his minions to this day.

Simple common sense, as used in democracies throughout the world, is that a secure election must be held with in-person votes, verified with photo ID, on paper ballots on the day of the election. These ballots must be counted and signed off by members of both parties.Read that list of countries that allow mail-in voting without restrictions again. You are still living in the 19th century.

Anyone who disagrees with this wants unsecure, rigged elections, which is of course the aim of the democrats and the media.
Would it help if I gave you a conservative source? Ever hear of the Heritage Foundation? Here is how they describe themselves: Heritage's mission is to formulate and promote public policies based on the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

They did an ongoing study of voter fraud. Here is what they have listed over the last 30 years. Approximately 1,300 cases of documented voter fraud. The proven fraud cases went about equally both ways, some for Democrats and some for Republicans.

Instead of believing every conservative talk show host that wants ratings, do your homework.

EihTooms

07-01-22, 21:52

You don't even know what diversification is. Or you don't understand it. Being diversified doesn't mean you can't be down in a down year.

Elvis you don't know anything about investing. You don't know the difference between investing and speculating. You don't know the difference between fundamental analysis and technical analysis. You don't know the difference between alpha and beta risk. Stick to telling us about the perfect 10 you've been bedding. At least that fantasy can't be disproved.

I don't think you have ever taken a basic macro economics course.

Now that is a tough question. Why did Apple go down. That would involve the interplay of many things.

1. Apple ran up over 25% in the 4th quarter of 2021. It has retreated back to about that same level this year.

2. Apple is a growth stock which is in all the index funds. As the market started dipping the fund managers sold off their largest gainers to lock in their profits.

As a result a lot of the biggest gainers (tech stocks) sold off substantially.

3. Apple is experiencing supply chain problems. You might know (I'm never sure with you) that Apple assembles a large percentage of their products in China.

When China started locking down due to Covid in 2022 (yes this year) their supply chain disruption has been causing many analysts to doubt Apple can get.

Their products to stores in sufficient quantity to meet analyst projections.

4. At least a dozen other reasons.

OH and I didn't invest when Biden took office. I started investing when Ford was in office.

Sorry Elvis, your ignorance is showing. REITs can't raise their rents willy-nilly, they have a lease agreement. Net Lease REITs have annual escalators that increase rent based on the change in the CPI. So, inflation is higher, lease anniversary comes up, rent is recalculated based on increase in CPI (Consumer Price Index). It's really pretty basic, I'm surprised that someone who claims to be so knowledgeable about everything didn't know that.

You're talking about unwinding Quantitative Easing. That means the Fed (Federal Reserve) is selling off some of the securities that they purchased. Those are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bonds which are backed by home mortgages. Those MBS (Mortgage Backed Securities) are supported by home loans not commercial loans. The majority of REITs own commercial properties. (Yes their are some housing REITs too). So how would I be fighting the Fed exactly? I would love to hear how you try to explain that one.If Elvis went short on the market every time an incoming Dem had to massively deficit spend in order to pull us out of the horrific decline combined with stone cold empty coffers the outgoing Repub left behind and simply do it at some point when the tactic showed signs of working and was no longer needed then that was a pretty damn easy pattern to follow without all this constant daily if not hourly study, research and due diligence on irrelevant factors he appears to devote himself to for the cause.

Problem is not every one of those previous Dem rescues and recoveries of the Repub crash and decline coincidentally had the global supply-chain collapse, Ukrainian grain and Russian oil supply disruptions extending and exacerbating the inevitable recovery-related inflation issue this one has going against it.

So if he had followed his repeated "reasoning" for going short this time in those previous times he would not have produced a gain worth the risk of getting out of the market.

In fact, if he had sold out of the market those previous times for the same "reason" he boasts about having gotten out this time that means he stood by on the sidelines and missed out on some of the greatest and longest uninterrupted Bull Market runs in history.

Elvis 2008

07-01-22, 23:56

No, the deaths *with* covid, plus other co-morbidities which actually caused the death, topped a million. Deaths from covid and no other co-morbidities are well under 80,000.Yeah, I never saw anyone die with Covid. Thing is that calculation was based on what was known at the time. These Dem dummies forget their God awful predictions. They spew this crap about Sweden but only compare it to countries with worse numbers. Sweden was in the bottom 25% of cases and deaths in all of Europe. The English and French hailed Sweden's policies as a success story.

The other "success" countries like New Zealand, Australia, South Korea, and Thailand the drive by media was raving about got clobbered by later waves of Covid, but the funny thing was the absolute denial on the horrific effects Covid lockdowns had with depression, opioids, the economy, and children and their education.

So many studies have shown now the lockdowns were not worth the cost, but I knew the dumb Dems would never accept the cost. When do they ever? I was so pissed GW Bush took 9-11 and took us $3 trillion into more debt and crashed the economy, but that was nothing. I think Covid was $6 billion in federal programs and $3 trillion added on the Fed's balance sheet.

Chris, did you see the video where Biden said government spending does not cause inflation? Yeah, it was all Putin.

The latest financial data was the ISM survey sucked and GDPnow run by the Atlanta Fed is projecting a Q2 of -201 percent which means we are in a recession and have been the whole year. https://mishtalk.com/economics/gdpnow-forecast-plunges-to-2-1-percent-a-recession-has-clearly-started.

The funny thing now is that you know now how the dumb Dems react. This is a projection not a reality. Show some other blowhard "expert" making a case against this, Then there will be acceptance and the finger pointing. So here is my odds on who is to blame for the recession: 60% Putin, 30% Trump, and 10% some other party. I have a feeling the dumb Dems may, may try to drag the Supreme Court in it. Maybe antivaxxers? You never know.

Or maybe, just maybe, the Dems will accept responsibility for the recession and pledge to do better.

He he he. Like that will ever happen.

Last things in the world that caused the recession were the stupid fucking lockdowns and excessive government spending.

DramaFree11

07-02-22, 01:31

MarquisdeSade1

07-02-22, 02:51

Now the wacko left is comparing the effects of the covid flu to "a Russian missile striking and blowing them up".

Insert Yakkety Sax music here.https://babylonbee.com/news/screaming-liberals-run-in-terror-as-pride-flags-replaced-with-american-flags

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LI4UEHUvtM

Villainy

07-02-22, 03:34

Yeah, and the clients can leave, declare bankruptcy, and if land is cheap enough, go out and build on their own building and real estate is going to get cheaper when the Fed is selling MBS not buying them. That is where you are fighting the fed. You think home MBS and commercial ones do not compete with each other? Why would you think that?Oooh here comes Elvis the legal expert! You can't declare bankruptcy to break a lease because it has become inconvenient. If you really are insolvent, I bet you would have a hard time finding a bank that would lend you the money to buy another property much less construct / improve a building on it. Yes Elvis, commercial real estate is a completely different entity than home mortgages. Interest rates are different, terms are different, loan to values are different.

.......one should not hold REITs which have a fixed yield. The REIT will go down in value due to multiple contraction which you still do not get....They why is it that 4 of the 5 REITs I own shares in have gone up nicely and only 1 is down and just about 1 or 2 percent. The reason Elvis is that most of the tenants have investment grade ratings and 4 of the 5 REITs are Net-Lease REITs which is important. Property expenses go up. But the tenant pays those, rents go up too based on annual CPI adjustments.

And the 0% rates and free cash is what prompted the Biden rally. And not only that, it was impossible to calculate fair value.You mean it was impossible for you to calculate fair value.

Secondly, Mr. Real Estate, there are ARM mortgages. Maybe you have heard of them? With an adjustable rate mortgage, people pay more to those who hold the mortgages when mortgage rates go up. There are funds called note funds which hold a pile of said mortgages. And when interest rates go up, the yield on said funds go up and the value of the fund goes up as well.Wow! Apparently you haven't been doing your homework or paying attention. It was ARM mortgages that almost brought down the financial system in 2008-2010. Why? When the teaser rates expired people found out they couldn't afford the higher monthly rates. When the market cooled and the couldn't resell at a profit (they were forced to abandon the properties) and all those MBS (mortgage backed securities) started failing. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac who guaranteed those loans went into receivership. You like quotes?? Apparently you do. Who said:

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. "?

So why do you not own any note funds but REITs when the fed is raising rates? Because you are a moron.I know better. But please show me I'm wrong and buy as much as you can.

So what happens to value stocks, growth stocks, and REITs in a high inflation / rising interest rate climate? They all go down in value, and your portfolio HAS gone down in value.Growth stocks will mostly go down and depending on many factors. Value stocks might or might not go down. They were value stocks because they were pretty low to begin with. That is what defines a value stock. REITs will do all sorts of things. There are 20 different categories (more or less). Net-Lease REITs with rent escalators and solid dividends do very well in inflationary periods. I'm sorry. I know you don't want that to be true. But it is. Warren Buffet (through Berkshire Hathaway) owns some REITs. I guess he must be a moron too. Afterall I'm sure you think you know more than he does.

What goes up in value? Inverse ETFs that short the market, note funds, and commodities in high demand and low supply that can be raised in price over the inflation rate. At this time, that would be oil.Inverse ETFs (especially the leveraged ones 2 X or 3 X) are not investments Elvis those are speculation vehicles. They go up fast and you think you're a genius but they also go down fast (usually even faster than they went up) If you had 1/2 a brain AND you actually bought those and have a profit, I would tell you to cash in your chips while you still have chips. The only reason I tell you this is so that later I can say I told you so. Note funds are paying sizeable dividends. Why is that? Because they are hyper-risky. The high interest rate tells you that. Interest rates go up, ARMs reset at higher rates and then people start defaulting. But I think you should buy a ton more of them because you know more than everyone else. Commodities? Sure if you can figure out which commodities are going to go up before everyone else you can do well. But supply and demand always return to equilibrium so don't be late.

So you are not diversified. You just think you are. If you accuse me of not being diversified, I am guilty as charged but unlike you I know what I am doing. For me, diversification is diworseifaction. So stockbrokers say do not keep all your eggs in one basket. Someone else said, " "Keep all your eggs in one basket, but watch that basket closely. " Who was that? And who wrote a book on diworseification?You are clueless. Oh and your quote is from Warren Buffett but he also said that people who don't spend inordinate amounts of time reading financial statements and studying the market should invest their money in index funds (like Vanguard's S&P 500 fund) because they have negligible fees and they should make consistent periodic investments into the fund and not bother to look at the balances. The balance will go up and it will go down but over several decades you will have a fortune. A classic do as I say, not as I do comment. But, of course, he knows what he is talking about.

Another significant date was April 15 when people have to fund their retirement accounts. That is the basis of the slogan, "Sell in May and go away" and why invested shortly after that date. That is investing on fact not market timing. There are huge cash inflows into the market before April 15.Even more evidence of complete ignorance. You can only contribute 6,000 to your regular IRA (7,000 if you are over 50) the majority of the retirement funding goes on through out the year. People make contributions to their 401 K or 457 B plan per pay-check. Most of the inflow into the market in March and April comes from tax refunds. I know, I know you want to believe that if you are getting a refund you would have filed the first week of February (after you receive all the 1099 documents) but most just don't do it. Some of those regular IRA fundings happen right around tax-time. But people with solid higher incomes who also have a 401 K or other plan are severely limited to what they can throw into an IRA (if anything).

So what is fair value on the S&P with mortgages paying 6.5%? Fair value IMO is at least 8% or a PE value of 12.5. So fair valuation on the S&P is 2500 if earnings come in at $200. To justify a $4000 valuation, S&P earnings would have to come in at $320 which is insane. And that is why I am short. The market is pricing the S&P based on history instead of comparable asset classes, and earnings projections IMO are in fantasy land.

THAT is fundamental analysis dumb ass and what you have shown is you do not have a fucking clue what that is, moron.Sorry Elvis, what you have regurgitated is what someone else wrote. You liked it because that author knows more than you do, which isn't exactly a high bar. For the S&P500 to drop to 2,500 would be more than a 33% additional sell-off. Not impossible but you would need something on the order of a financial collapse similar to 2008-2010 and most companies are still very healthy.

Analysts are predicting a recession in late 2023 of mild proportions. Do you know better than them? Not a chance. But hey, if you're dead set on proving how smart you are, you can go all in on your leveraged reverse ETF. You may be begging for scraps like that guy mentioned in the Medellin forum.

Chris P

07-02-22, 05:15

Would it help if I gave you a conservative source? Ever hear of the Heritage Foundation? Haha! The Heritage Foundation a "conservative source"! Good one. You'll be telling us Mitt Romney is a rock-ribbed right-winger next.

In reality, of course, the likes of the Heritage Foundation and Romney are RINOs. They are a worse and more devious enemy of the heritage American people than the democrats and fake news, because the latter are at least sometimes honest about where they stand (pro-child trannies; anti-white; open borders; going to make you live in a pod and eat bugs because the world is going to end in 10 years because of "climate change": we all know the drill).

Oh BTW about Poland, the "Human Rights Watch" pro-EU leftists did all they could to prevent mail-in voting for Poland's election during covid. That's because the ruling right-wing Law and Justice Party were in charge of it. The leftists know perfectly well how unsecure and corrupt it is. And they want to make sure that only they can benefit from it, as with the Biden fraud. LOL.

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2020/04/28/poland-s-all-postal-presidential-vote-dangerously-undermines-democracy-warns-hrw

It is simple common sense, backed up by plentiful evidence such as this UK government review which uncovered massive mail-in voting fraud among "British" Pakistanis voting in UK elections - https://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/uk-voting-review-blames-pak-bangladeshi-communities-for-fraud-116081201637_1.html - that the only way to have a secure election is in-person voting, on election day, with photo ID verification, on paper ballots which are counted and signed off by members of either side.

There is no way of knowing where mail-in ballots went; who filled them out; or indeed whether they are even genuine. Fraudsters are ingenious and flexible, particularly when they have the backing of the entire mainstream media as in the 2020 US election.

The result is that half the country have lost faith in the electoral process. Do you think that that. Along with the open border, rocketing inflation and economic dislocation, etc. Will improve the situation in the country? Of course not. So why not simply have a secure election? What do you have to lose? Oh, the White House.

All bringing the inevitable breakup closer. You can have your child trannies, climate hysteria, anti-white hate, mass turd word immigration; we'll have our American people and values; and we'll all be much happier apart. But no, sorry, you can't claim refugee status when your government takes your house, job and daughter for reparations.

Elvis 2008

07-02-22, 05:20

If Elvis went short on the market every time an incoming DemHey, Gramps, I did not go short the market with every incoming Dem. I already said that. I also said I went short in April of this year after April 15. Do you know what it is when one of you Dems repeats the lies of another? It is not popular; it is a duo of dumb Dems. Both you and V have showed me you are morons who do not know how to invest and are way, way down to me. If you are 25% down in the market and I am 50% up, you have to double your money to catch me. Good luck with that Gramps.

Chris P

07-02-22, 05:27

Yeah, I never saw anyone die with Covid. Thing is that calculation was based on what was known at the time. These Dem dummies forget their God awful predictions. They spew this crap about Sweden but only compare it to countries with worse numbers. Sweden was in the bottom 25% of cases and deaths in all of Europe. The English and French hailed Sweden's policies as a success story.

The other "success" countries like New Zealand, Australia, South Korea, and Thailand the drive by media was raving about got clobbered by later waves of Covid, but the funny thing was the absolute denial on the horrific effects Covid lockdowns had with depression, opioids, the economy, and children and their education.

So many studies have shown now the lockdowns were not worth the cost, but I knew the dumb Dems would never accept the cost. When do they ever? I was so pissed GW Bush took 9-11 and took us $3 trillion into more debt and crashed the economy, but that was nothing. I think Covid was $6 billion in federal programs and $3 trillion added on the Fed's balance sheet.

Chris, did you see the video where Biden said government spending does not cause inflation? Yeah, it was all Putin.

The latest financial data was the ISM survey sucked and GDPnow run by the Atlanta Fed is projecting a Q2 of -201 percent which means we are in a recession and have been the whole year. https://mishtalk.com/economics/gdpnow-forecast-plunges-to-2-1-percent-a-recession-has-clearly-started.

The funny thing now is that you know now how the dumb Dems react. This is a projection not a reality. Show some other blowhard "expert" making a case against this, Then there will be acceptance and the finger pointing. So here is my odds on who is to blame for the recession: 60% Putin, 30% Trump, and 10% some other party. I have a feeling the dumb Dems may, may try to drag the Supreme Court in it. Maybe antivaxxers? You never know.

Or maybe, just maybe, the Dems will accept responsibility for the recession and pledge to do better.

He he he. Like that will ever happen.

Last things in the world that caused the recession were the stupid fucking lockdowns and excessive government spending.Great post. Yes, Sweden is doing just fine. The vax has been an utter failure, as everyone can still get covid after getting it (not to mention heart attacks, strokes, blood clots, bells palsy, and other cases of SADS. Sudden Adult Death Syndrome). They claim that it lessens the symptoms or some such guff, but that is moving the goalposts: when it was being introduced, the claim was that the vax would prevent infection and transmission. Lies upon lies upon lies.

The really fascinating fact is that there were no total excess deaths in 2020. That is to say, the usual number of people died in that year. All the people who died of "covid" actually died of various comorbidities and would have gone anyway. However, since 2021, there has been a spike in total excess deaths. Ie since the mass vaccine rollout.

The economic side alone. Not to mention the suffering, opioid abuse, depression, stunted childhoods, etc. Is horrific. But I tend to see the silver lining, which will be the collapse of the federal government and the evil Washington swamp and its fake news wormtongues. When they can simply no longer pay for their repression operations, freedom-minded Americans will be more likely to break out from under them and restore our liberty and way of life.

It will be tough and messy, but things have to get worse before they can get better.

Elvis 2008

07-02-22, 05:42

Ah. You're acting dumb. Not a stretch for you, I suppose.

As you know, the voicemail was regarding Hunter's dubious business deals with some Chinese tycoon. That is the context, and is why Sleepy Joe referred to an article on the matter which was about to be published.

The real questions are: why did Biden lie when he said he had no idea at all about any of his son's dubious business deals (despite being referred to as "the big guy", as in "10% for the big guy" and secondly, why does the mainstream (fake news) media show no interest in investigating why a sitting president lied about a potentially criminal matter?

But of course, to ask is to answer.V showed the dumb Dem method. Attack the source. Dems are so stupid that they think if they say "Oh, Fox News" they have won an argument. If you push them on it, they will attack the credentials of the source. Tucker Carlson said this in a legal case. Only a fool would believe him.

So Mr. Expert V lost all that because it was Biden himself that was talking. He then tries to save himself and does the could game. Biden could have been talking about Jeffrey Epstein. No, Biden was talking about an article written and we know when this was and what the article was about. This had nothing to do with Jeffery Epstein. Epstein was a lie V pulled out of his ass.

The Democrats are the party of liar lawyers, and the joke I make about lawyers is that you know what they say when they shoot you in the leg? "You are lucky. I could have shot you in the head". That is the method of the dumb Dem. They shoot you and then expect you to be grateful.

MarquisdeSade1

07-02-22, 14:29

If Elvis went short on the market every time an incoming Dem had to massively deficit spend in order to pull us out of the horrific decline combined with stone cold empty coffers the outgoing Repub left behind and simply do it at some point when the tactic showed signs of working and was no longer needed then that was a pretty damn easy pattern to follow without all this constant daily if not hourly study, research and due diligence on irrelevant factors he appears to devote himself to for the cause.

Problem is not every one of those previous Dem rescues and recoveries of the Repub crash and decline coincidentally had the global supply-chain collapse, Ukrainian grain and Russian oil supply disruptions extending and exacerbating the inevitable recovery-related inflation issue this one has going against it.

So if he had followed his repeated "reasoning" for going short this time in those previous times he would not have produced a gain worth the risk of getting out of the market.

In fact, if he had sold out of the market those previous times for the same "reason" he boasts about having gotten out this time that means he stood by on the sidelines and missed out on some of the greatest and longest uninterrupted Bull Market runs in history.I'm guessin free trailer homes and cars are next.

Just one big plantation, billionaires and their slaves.

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/california-health-care-immigrants

PVMonger

07-02-22, 14:52

Yeah, I never saw anyone die with Covid. Thing is that calculation was based on what was known at the time. These Dem dummies forget their God awful predictions. They spew this crap about Sweden but only compare it to countries with worse numbers. Sweden was in the bottom 25% of cases and deaths in all of Europe. The English and French hailed Sweden's policies as a success story.

The other "success" countries like New Zealand, Australia, South Korea, and Thailand the drive by media was raving about got clobbered by later waves of Covid, but the funny thing was the absolute denial on the horrific effects Covid lockdowns had with depression, opioids, the economy, and children and their education.

So many studies have shown now the lockdowns were not worth the cost, but I knew the dumb Dems would never accept the cost. When do they ever? I was so pissed GW Bush took 9-11 and took us $3 trillion into more debt and crashed the economy, but that was nothing. I think Covid was $6 billion in federal programs and $3 trillion added on the Fed's balance sheet.

Chris, did you see the video where Biden said government spending does not cause inflation? Yeah, it was all Putin.

The latest financial data was the ISM survey sucked and GDPnow run by the Atlanta Fed is projecting a Q2 of -201 percent which means we are in a recession and have been the whole year. https://mishtalk.com/economics/gdpnow-forecast-plunges-to-2-1-percent-a-recession-has-clearly-started.

The funny thing now is that you know now how the dumb Dems react. This is a projection not a reality. Show some other blowhard "expert" making a case against this, Then there will be acceptance and the finger pointing. So here is my odds on who is to blame for the recession: 60% Putin, 30% Trump, and 10% some other party. I have a feeling the dumb Dems may, may try to drag the Supreme Court in it. Maybe antivaxxers? You never know.

Or maybe, just maybe, the Dems will accept responsibility for the recession and pledge to do better.

He he he. Like that will ever happen.

Last things in the world that caused the recession were the stupid fucking lockdowns and excessive government spending.We have a blowhard expert right here in Elvis. Just ask him. He's never wrong.

Here is Elvis with a PhD in Economics.

Like the BS of "So many studies have shown now the lockdowns were not worth the cost". To RethugliKKKans, nothing is worth the financial cost because they see everything in terms of the almighty dollar. If lockdowns saved lives, the lockdowns weren't worth it to RethugliKKKans. If lockdowns helped slow the onslaught of patients to hospital ERs, lockdowns weren't worth it to RethugliKKKans. Folks like Elvis would rather have had more people die if they could have made an extra buck. The families of the dead can go pound sand, though, 'cause, well, who cares. Right, Elvis? https://theconversation.com/why-nobody-will-ever-agree-on-whether-covid-lockdowns-were-worth-it-161154.

Here is Elvis the MD

Evidently Elvis believes that COVID was the only disease in the history of humankind that never killed people who were healthy. Which is complete BS and he knows it. In actuality, everybody has some kind of pre-existing condition. It may not have been tested for yet, but it is there. But, according to Elvis the M. The, if you have a pre-existing condition and you die of COVID, you actually died of the pre-existing condition, not COVID. What BS.

Everybody needs to realize that Elvis is an expert in everything. But what is an exspurt. An ex is a has-been and a spurt is a drip under pressure.

PVMonger

07-02-22, 15:20

Great post. Yes, Sweden is doing just fine. The vax has been an utter failure, as everyone can still get covid after getting it (not to mention heart attacks, strokes, blood clots, bells palsy, and other cases of SADS. Sudden Adult Death Syndrome). They claim that it lessens the symptoms or some such guff, but that is moving the goalposts: when it was being introduced, the claim was that the vax would prevent infection and transmission. Lies upon lies upon lies.

The really fascinating fact is that there were no total excess deaths in 2020. That is to say, the usual number of people died in that year. All the people who died of "covid" actually died of various comorbidities and would have gone anyway. However, since 2021, there has been a spike in total excess deaths. Ie since the mass vaccine rollout.

The economic side alone. Not to mention the suffering, opioid abuse, depression, stunted childhoods, etc. Is horrific. But I tend to see the silver lining, which will be the collapse of the federal government and the evil Washington swamp and its fake news wormtongues. When they can simply no longer pay for their repression operations, freedom-minded Americans will be more likely to break out from under them and restore our liberty and way of life.

It will be tough and messy, but things have to get worse before they can get better.When the COVID vaccine was introduced the claim was that the vax would prevent infection and transmission Sure thing, Chrissy. You got a source for that? But what's more, just who was president* when the vaccine was developed? Your boy the Mango Mussolini, that's who. If there was a problem with the vaccine effectiveness, who gets the blame? Your boy the Mango Mussolini, that's who.

The vaccine isn't safe because you can get things like heart attacks, strokes, blood clots, bells palsy, and other cases of SADS. The things you mentioned (and others that you didn't) occur about 5 times per million vaccine shots. Which is an infinitesimal percentage. About the same percentage as you or any other rightwingnut making sense in one of your posts.

There were no excess deaths in 2020 Really? As shown here https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?country=~USA But you will probably say something like, "well those numbers don't account for pre-existing conditions because any excess death with a pre-existing condition doesn't count. ".

PVMonger

07-02-22, 15:23

V showed the dumb Dem method. Attack the source. Dems are so stupid that they think if they say "Oh, Fox News" they have won an argument. If you push them on it, they will attack the credentials of the source. Tucker Carlson said this in a legal case. Only a fool would believe him.

So Mr. Expert V lost all that because it was Biden himself that was talking. He then tries to save himself and does the could game. Biden could have been talking about Jeffrey Epstein. No, Biden was talking about an article written and we know when this was and what the article was about. This had nothing to do with Jeffery Epstein. Epstein was a lie V pulled out of his ass.

The Democrats are the party of liar lawyers, and the joke I make about lawyers is that you know what they say when they shoot you in the leg? "You are lucky. I could have shot you in the head". That is the method of the dumb Dem. They shoot you and then expect you to be grateful."Tucker Carlson said this in a legal case. Only a fool would believe him." And yet you still believe him. What does that make you?

Villainy

07-02-22, 16:37

Yeah, I never saw anyone die with Covid. I never saw anyone die of Covid either but I'm not a Doubting Elvis I don't think you can ignore the fact that millions died from the disease just because you didn't see it.

These Dem dummies forget their God awful predictions. The only prediction I made was that you would be wrong on a grand scale, because you don't have any analytical skills and you were just parroting what your orange hero was saying. Remember? Covid will disappear in a few months when the weather turns warm. Remember? OH wait! The Southern hemisphere was still finishing their summer and Covid cases there were multiplying exponentially.

They spew this crap about Sweden but only compare it to countries with worse numbers. Sweden was in the bottom 25% of cases and deaths in all of Europe. The English and French hailed Sweden's policies as a success story.NO you can't stand it that your great example was a bust. You wanted to compare Sweden to any of the countries that were having a worse experience no matter where they were located, because you have no analytical integrity. The neighboring countries were the obvious candidates for comparison. Almost perfect similarities and they all chose to lockdown at least for a while.

I know, I know, those comparisons urinated all over your theory and you're still sensitive about it. Grow up!

The other "success" countries like New Zealand, Australia, South Korea, and Thailand the drive by media was raving about got clobbered by later waves of Covid, but the funny thing was the absolute denial on the horrific effects Covid lockdowns had with depression, opioids, the economy, and children and their education.Those countries all had secondary waves but by then the Covid virus had mutated after the vaccines were used. The new variants (Omnicron) were far less lethal and far more transmissible.

The point was that the number of deaths per million persons infected went down dramatically. Some people would say that was a big success for their temporary lockdown and testing strategy.

I'm sure that those children who missed out on school really preferred having their parents alive. Don't you think??

I would correct the rest of your rant but it just gets to be too tiring. Perhaps one of our objective members will step in to finish off your latest garbage

Villainy

07-02-22, 16:39

"Tucker Carlson said this in a legal case. Only a fool would believe him." And yet you still believe him. What does that make you?OUCH! that has to hurt.

Xpartan

07-02-22, 18:21

We have a blowhard expert right here in Elvis. Just ask him. He's never wrong.You're talking about a dude who doesn't believe in AIDS. There is no way back from there, things can only go downhill.

Elvis 2008

07-02-22, 19:35

Folks like Elvis would rather have had more people die if they could have made an extra buck. The families of the dead can go pound sand, though, 'cause, well, who cares. Right, Elvis?LOL. Stanford University professor of medicine Jay Bhattacharya noted last year that in years to come lockdowns will be looked back upon as the most catastrophically harmful policy in all of history.

The epidemiologist added Every single poor person on the face of the earth has faced some harm, sometimes catastrophic harm, from this lockdown policy, adding that "We will be counting the catastrophic health and psychological harms, imposed on nearly every poor person on the face of the earth, for a generation.

A peer reviewed study by Stanford researchers found that mandatory lockdowns do not provide more benefits to stopping the spread of COVID-19 than voluntary measures such as social distancing.

The researchers found no clear, significant beneficial effect of more restrictive measures on case growth in any country.

As we also previously reported, Academics from Duke, Harvard, and Johns Hopkins have concluded that there could be around a million excess deaths over the next two decades as a result of lockdowns. Kluge's warning matched that of the WHO's special envoy on COVID-19, Dr David Nabarro, who told the Spectator in an interview that world leaders should stop imposing lockdowns as a reflex reaction because they are making poor people an awful lot poorer.

Elvis 2008

07-02-22, 19:38

You're talking about a dude who doesn't believe in AIDS. I have seen people on their death bed with AIDS.

Once again, the Democratic playbook was at work. We had the CDC lie about heterosexual aids you fool to get more funding. It is the Democratic playbook again. Say you care more then Republicans and lie about a situation so it benefits you.

Chris P

07-02-22, 19:58

Yep, as much I wanted us to be wrong, but we both said there would be a financial crisis as a result of the lockdowns. Now we are in recession, maybe worse. This is what happens after prolonged lockdowns, extremely poor leadership, cut back / restrictions on oil production and sponsoring a needless war. This is worse case scenario.It's going to get worse. Hopefully so much worse that we can finally start to make it better.

Elvis 2008

07-02-22, 20:53

I never saw anyone die of Covid eitherBut you know someone who died of a heart attack, cancer, or car accident right?

I'm not a Doubting Elvis I don't think you can ignore the fact that millions died from the disease just because you didn't see it.The facts are that 9 out of 10 people who die in a hospital have blood clots in their lungs upon death, and that was before Covid. So with just this one fact, nine out of ten hospital deaths can be attributed to Covid even if Covid had nothing to do with the clots. But worse than that, there was financial incentive for those making the cause of death decision to say it was Covid.

There is no objective criteria for a Covid death just like there is not for an opioid overdose which allows politics to enter. If you look at the fine print, it is Covid related or opioid related death. Those deaths are not facts but opinions and financially biased ones.

You wanted to compare Sweden to any of the countries that were having a worse experience no matter where they were located, because you have no analytical integrity. The neighboring countries were the obvious candidates for comparison.Comparison of what? Sweden had a lousy policy with regards to isolating high risk populations like in the nursing home early on. You just ignore that fact and make generalizations about whole population lockdowns.

Sweden is in the bottom 25% of Covid cases in Europe. Saying Sweden's Covid policy was a failure as it pertains to the general population is just beyond stupid. If you want to reward government policy as the only thing that matter with regards to Covid, a Democratic invention and dubious one at that, Sweden did great.

IThose countries all had secondary waves but by then the Covid virus had mutated after the vaccines were used.Wrong! You are trying to credit the vaccines with "doing something". The virus was mutating before the vaccines, and the vaccines do not prevent transmission.

The new variants (Omnicron) were far less lethal and far more transmissible.

The point was that the number of deaths per million persons infected went down dramatically. Some people would say that was a big success for their temporary lockdown and testing strategy.I agree that is what happened, but you show me anywhere those events were planned for in advance. In fact, initially Covid in China was much milder than the strain that hit Europe. So their better death rates were not planned for. It was just dumb luck.

Americans were told repeatedly by the news media that Asian nations were models with regards to the prevention of Covid and how stupid Trump was. My projection on deaths was based upon the data patteren available at the time and then the data changed. When you Dems were holding Asian nations up as models (like you bash Sweden and its model), I was saying just you wait those countries will get theirs. It is funny how you do not remember that.

Mr. E did. He bragged about how great Thailand was doing early on with their mask wearing. Unlike you guys, he grew skeptical once Thailand got crushed by Covid but not you guys. You never are wrong or change your minds about anything.

TI'm sure that those children who missed out on school really preferred having their parents alive. Don't you think??OMG. Really? Do you read anything outside of lockdowns are good?

https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2021/08/02/fight-against-rsv-flu.html

The current RSV epidemic is part of a respiratory-disease environment unlike any New Zealand has seen before. Sick children are filling hospital wards after Covid-19 social distancing and lockdown restrictions blocked the development of natural immunity to RSV. Scientists are also watching to see what happens next with influenza after Covid restrictions virtually eliminated the disease.

"As border restrictions are likely eased over the next two years, we will face a resurgence of respiratory viruses".

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/nine-dead-who-had-rsv

As of July 25, there had been a total 4434 hospitalizations for RSV at those six main hospitals and nine deaths. A Canterbury District Health Board spokesman said one patient had died with an "RSV-related complication" and "pre-existing conditions" during this winter's outbreak. He wouldn't specify the patient's age.

End of quote. The article is not saying it but probably eight of the nine dead were infants. They are the ones who usually get RSV.

When you Dems were blathering on about how great lockdowns were, how did any of you account for the kids who died of RSV? Or did you just ignore the explosion of RSV that happened post lockdown?

MarquisdeSade1

07-02-22, 21:48

Back to Back World War Champions!!

CCPland you're next!

Elvis 2008

07-02-22, 22:20

Great post. Yes, Sweden is doing just fine. The vax has been an utter failure, as everyone can still get covid after getting it (not to mention heart attacks, strokes, blood clots, bells palsy, and other cases of SADS. Sudden Adult Death Syndrome). They claim that it lessens the symptoms or some such guff, but that is moving the goalposts: when it was being introduced, the claim was that the vax would prevent infection and transmission. Lies upon lies upon lies..Exactly. When the vaccine was first given, it met the FDA's criteria. When the effectiveness of the vaccine plunged below 50%, the vaccine really should have been pulled off the market or at least called experimental. To me, if people wanted to take it at that point, if they gave informed consent, that would have been fine, but that is not what happened. The vaccine was mandated. Worse, new criteria were used for effectiveness and the control group which is supposed to be identical or as close as possible to the treated group was just pulled out of thin air. It was the unscientific unvaxxed versus vaxxed.

And then there were no control groups at all for the third and fourth vaccine. There were also no double blind studies done on the newer variants. Even though the vaccine was made for the alpha variant, we were just told to pretend it was as good for the newer variants even though we knew that was not true.

You remember the comparisons of the Covid vaccine to the polio vaccine?

Polio was once one of the most feared diseases in the USA In the early 1950's, before polio vaccines were available, polio outbreaks caused more than 15,000 cases of paralysis each year. Following introduction of vaccinesspecifically, trivalent inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV) in 1955 and trivalent oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV) in 1963 the number of polio cases fell rapidly to less than 100 in the 1960's and fewer than 10 in the 1970's.

Now look here, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/.

Do you see any difference in death rates and case rates since the vaccine was developed?

Based on the shape of the graphs, and if you did not know when the vaccines were developed and deployed, can you tell when the vaccine was widely deployed?

I sure as hell cannot, but I sure as hell can with polio. You literally have to dive deep into the data to show any benefit at all, but the reason the vaccine was approved, a 95% decrease in transmission, is totally gone. All other claims of benefit have not been scientifically proven. All you have are claims of benefit and unknown risk. No one can make an accurate risk-benefit assessment of the vaccine right now unless you are a Democrat. Then you know.

It is funny though how Covid even as it hitting 100,000 cases now miraculously is out of the news and all that venom against anti-vaxxers has left the building.

EihTooms

07-02-22, 22:36

Hey, Gramps, I did not go short the market with every incoming Dem. I already said that. I also said I went short in April of this year after April 15. Do you know what it is when one of you Dems repeats the lies of another? It is not popular; it is a duo of dumb Dems. Both you and V have showed me you are morons who do not know how to invest and are way, way down to me. If you are 25% down in the market and I am 50% up, you have to double your money to catch me. Good luck with that Gramps.Well, why didn't you? Several incoming Dems had to do exactly what Biden had to do in order to clean up the mess the outgoing Repub produced and handed them.

Did the coin flip tell you which way to go those other times too?

Gino02

07-02-22, 22:58

Gino02

07-02-22, 23:01

Biden adviser: 'Liberal world order' demands enduring high gas prices (https://nypost.com/2022/07/01/biden-adviser-liberal-world-order-demands-enduring-high-gas-prices/).

MarquisdeSade1

07-03-22, 02:08

https://stormer-daily.rw/joe-biden-helped-hunter-pay-30000-bill-for-over-priced-hookers/

ScatManDoo

07-03-22, 03:08

Dems should read this article:

"So you say you want a revolution? You can count me out" (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/so-you-say-you-want-a-revolution-you-can-count-me-out/ar-AAZ6Qc0).

"The current composition of the court is due to Democrats killing the filibuster rule on Supreme Court nominations despite warnings that it would cost Democrats dearly. When they lost the Senate majority, it cost them not just three seats on the court but the Roe ruling, too. Now, with predictions of Democrats losing both houses, Biden is calling to end the legislative filibuster. It is akin to the Titanic's captain spotting the iceberg and immediately ordering the lifeboats to be burned."Democrats won't lose control of the Senate at the midterms.

They might even gain one or more seats.

EihTooms

07-03-22, 04:35

Dems should read this article:

"So you say you want a revolution? You can count me out" (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/so-you-say-you-want-a-revolution-you-can-count-me-out/ar-AAZ6Qc0).

"The current composition of the court is due to Democrats killing the filibuster rule on Supreme Court nominations despite warnings that it would cost Democrats dearly. When they lost the Senate majority, it cost them not just three seats on the court but the Roe ruling, too. Now, with predictions of Democrats losing both houses, Biden is calling to end the legislative filibuster. It is akin to the Titanic's captain spotting the iceberg and immediately ordering the lifeboats to be burned."It took just a 7 second Google Search and the very first result to thoroughly debunk Turley and your contention that it was Harry Reid and the Dems and not Moscow Mitch and the Repubs who eliminated the filibuster rule on SCOTUS nominees:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/01/fact-check-gop-ended-senate-filibuster-supreme-court-nominees/3573369001/

Xpartan

07-03-22, 05:18

When they lost the Senate majority, it cost them not just three seats on the court but the Roe ruling, too. I like this "them" thingy.

Like republican women won't suffer from the Roe. Only women with certain party affiliation will suffer. Yay!

67% of American women believe their life will be worse after this travesty.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/americans-react-to-roe-v-wade-overturn-opinion-poll-2022-06-26/

Tribalism at its finest.

Gino02

07-03-22, 06:19

Chris P

07-03-22, 07:00

https://stormer-daily.rw/joe-biden-helped-hunter-pay-30000-bill-for-over-priced-hookers/ROFL. I must admit I kinda admire Hunter. He is a ZFG dude. He wants to smoke crack and bang supermodel-looking hookers in Ukraine, he gets his dad to send him money and probably gets the secret service to ferry over the girls and gear. He wants to bang his dead brother's wife and diddle his nieces, he just does it. He wants to get megabucks kickbacks from China and Ukraine, he just tells them he will fuck their shit up unless they give it to him (with 10% for the big guy) and they do. He wants to shoot some shit up, he illegally obtains a firearm then orders the secret service to get rid of it for him.

He knows that there are no rules if you are related to a top-level democrat, and so he does whatever the fuck he wants with zero consequences. What a life.

Chris P

07-03-22, 07:11

Exactly. When the vaccine was first given, it met the FDA's criteria. When the effectiveness of the vaccine plunged below 50%, the vaccine really should have been pulled off the market or at least called experimental. To me, if people wanted to take it at that point, if they gave informed consent, that would have been fine, but that is not what happened. The vaccine was mandated. Worse, new criteria were used for effectiveness and the control group which is supposed to be identical or as close as possible to the treated group was just pulled out of thin air. It was the unscientific unvaxxed versus vaxxed.

And then there were no control groups at all for the third and fourth vaccine. There were also no double blind studies done on the newer variants. Even though the vaccine was made for the alpha variant, we were just told to pretend it was as good for the newer variants even though we knew that was not true.

You remember the comparisons of the Covid vaccine to the polio vaccine?

Polio was once one of the most feared diseases in the USA In the early 1950's, before polio vaccines were available, polio outbreaks caused more than 15,000 cases of paralysis each year. Following introduction of vaccinesspecifically, trivalent inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV) in 1955 and trivalent oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV) in 1963 the number of polio cases fell rapidly to less than 100 in the 1960's and fewer than 10 in the 1970's.

Now look here, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/.

Do you see any difference in death rates and case rates since the vaccine was developed?

Based on the shape of the graphs, and if you did not know when the vaccines were developed and deployed, can you tell when the vaccine was widely deployed?

I sure as hell cannot, but I sure as hell can with polio. You literally have to dive deep into the data to show any benefit at all, but the reason the vaccine was approved, a 95% decrease in transmission, is totally gone. All other claims of benefit have not been scientifically proven. All you have are claims of benefit and unknown risk. No one can make an accurate risk-benefit assessment of the vaccine right now unless you are a Democrat. Then you know.

It is funny though how Covid even as it hitting 100,000 cases now miraculously is out of the news and all that venom against anti-vaxxers has left the building.It really is Emperor's New Clothers-tier stuff.

They developed a vaccine for smallpox, based around injecting people with dead smallpox cells, and smallpox went away.

They developed a vaccine for measles, and measles went away.

They developed a vaccine for polio, and polio went away.

They developed a "vaccine" (actually untested RNA-altering fuckery with no long-term safety studies, as we are tragically finding out) for covid. And covid is still just as prevalent as ever.

And yet the fake news media tell you it's a total success, lionise the liar Fauci, and have late night TV skits with dancing needles.

Rather like telling you trannies are women, the border is secure, inflation is caused by Putin, and the world is going to end in ten years, it's yet another example of the complete divergence of the democrat / media / left narrative from factual reality.

Chris P

07-03-22, 07:27

EihTooms

07-03-22, 08:32

I like this "them" thingy.

Like republican women won't suffer from the Roe. Only women with certain party affiliation will suffer. Yay!

67% of American women believe their life will be worse after this travesty.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/americans-react-to-roe-v-wade-overturn-opinion-poll-2022-06-26/

Tribalism at its finest.Yes, I only WISH Harry Reid and the Dems had years ago brilliantly masterminded and dug this colossally politically damaging spear and snake pit for Big Government Everywhere Especially In Your Bedroom Repubs to blunder, stumble, bumble and step into with gusto.

Unfortunately, no, this was all brilliantly engineered by those lovable stable genius Repubs themselves starting with blithering Alzheimer's Reagan, painstakingly constructed by Moscow Mitch and then polished off to a fine finish by none other than "anominus, oranges (origins), Yo! Semite!" Donald J. Trump.

Sadly, the Dems do not deserve credit for this one.

DramaFree11

07-03-22, 14:44

Democrats won't lose control of the Senate at the midterms.

They might even gain one or more seats.If the Dem. Leadership keeps this up they will lose control of everything and hopefully they will set there party back 10-20 years. Hopefully people will realize this liberal crab does not work. Look at the mess we are in now, (Crime is out of Control, the drug problem is getting worse daily, incredibly high inflation and even higher gas prices), but we do have extreme political correctness. Great job Dem's.

On top of Bidden fighting with Gas Companies, now he is asking gas stations to cut prices, (lose money), to do there part. This is one of is most ridiculous statements. It is very simple, dramatically increases gas production, but the Dem's refuse. They would accomplish 2 things bring down prices and would also put pressure on Putin. Too easy.

MarquisdeSade1

07-03-22, 14:45

PVMonger

07-03-22, 15:14

LOL. Stanford University professor of medicine Jay Bhattacharya noted last year that in years to come lockdowns will be looked back upon as the most catastrophically harmful policy in all of history.

The epidemiologist added Every single poor person on the face of the earth has faced some harm, sometimes catastrophic harm, from this lockdown policy, adding that "We will be counting the catastrophic health and psychological harms, imposed on nearly every poor person on the face of the earth, for a generation.

A peer reviewed study by Stanford researchers found that mandatory lockdowns do not provide more benefits to stopping the spread of COVID-19 than voluntary measures such as social distancing.

The researchers found no clear, significant beneficial effect of more restrictive measures on case growth in any country.

As we also previously reported, Academics from Duke, Harvard, and Johns Hopkins have concluded that there could be around a million excess deaths over the next two decades as a result of lockdowns. Kluge's warning matched that of the WHO's special envoy on COVID-19, Dr David Nabarro, who told the Spectator in an interview that world leaders should stop imposing lockdowns as a reflex reaction because they are making poor people an awful lot poorer.Here's an article from the #1 newspaper in Palo Alto. Palo Alto, for all RethugliKKKans who don't know where California is, is the location of Stanford University. "Other studies have oppositely determined that lockdown orders have saved lives. For instance, a Imperial College London study published in the journal Nature found that some 3. 1 million deaths had been averted due to lockdowns across Europe early on in the pandemic. "This data suggests that without any interventions, such as lockdown and school closures, there could have been many more deaths from Covid-19," said Dr. Samir Bhatt, an author of Imperial College London study. " https://padailypost.com/2021/01/18/stanford-study-lockdowns-have-no-clear-benefit/.

So even Palo Alto knows (and you obviously don't) that there are just as many "pro lockdown" studies as there are "anti-lockdown" studies. But that wasn't my point as I pointed out in my post. My point (that you obviously missed for lack of reading comprehension) was that RethugliKKKans will always choose the approach that makes them money. RepubliKKKans would be absolutely pro-lockdown if the Orange Buffoon told them to be or if Tucker told them to be or if some study told them to be or whatever. https://theconversation.com/why-nobo...orth-it-161154..

And the Stanford study referred to voluntary measures working. What you failed to point out (probably because you don't know) was that voluntary measures only work if virtually everybody volunteers to do them. Voluntary measures do not work if 35% of the population fails to use them. RethugliKKKans didn't want to do something simple like wear a mask because the Orange Buffoon told you not to wear them. Really? RethugliKKKans are the only political party in history who believes that dying is the best way to win (Jim Jones notwithstanding, but he didn't lead a political party).

PVMonger

07-03-22, 15:30

Exactly. When the vaccine was first given, it met the FDA's criteria. When the effectiveness of the vaccine plunged below 50%, the vaccine really should have been pulled off the market or at least called experimental. To me, if people wanted to take it at that point, if they gave informed consent, that would have been fine, but that is not what happened. The vaccine was mandated. Worse, new criteria were used for effectiveness and the control group which is supposed to be identical or as close as possible to the treated group was just pulled out of thin air. It was the unscientific unvaxxed versus vaxxed.

And then there were no control groups at all for the third and fourth vaccine. There were also no double blind studies done on the newer variants. Even though the vaccine was made for the alpha variant, we were just told to pretend it was as good for the newer variants even though we knew that was not true.

You remember the comparisons of the Covid vaccine to the polio vaccine?

Polio was once one of the most feared diseases in the USA In the early 1950's, before polio vaccines were available, polio outbreaks caused more than 15,000 cases of paralysis each year. Following introduction of vaccinesspecifically, trivalent inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV) in 1955 and trivalent oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV) in 1963 the number of polio cases fell rapidly to less than 100 in the 1960's and fewer than 10 in the 1970's.

Now look here, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/.

Do you see any difference in death rates and case rates since the vaccine was developed?

Based on the shape of the graphs, and if you did not know when the vaccines were developed and deployed, can you tell when the vaccine was widely deployed?

I sure as hell cannot, but I sure as hell can with polio. You literally have to dive deep into the data to show any benefit at all, but the reason the vaccine was approved, a 95% decrease in transmission, is totally gone. All other claims of benefit have not been scientifically proven. All you have are claims of benefit and unknown risk. No one can make an accurate risk-benefit assessment of the vaccine right now unless you are a Democrat. Then you know.

It is funny though how Covid even as it hitting 100,000 cases now miraculously is out of the news and all that venom against anti-vaxxers has left the building.We'd all better listen because ELVIS the MD knows all. He doesn't provide any sources for any of this BS because when you make stuff up, there aren't any sources.

Villainy

07-03-22, 16:33

But you know someone who died of a heart attack, cancer, or car accident right?Not for several years. So did you have a point?

The facts are that 9 out of 10 people who die in a hospital have blood clots in their lungs upon death, and that was before Covid.Do you ever use Google?

Roughly 1 out of 10 hospital deaths are related to blood clots in the lungs.
Blood clots are a leading cause of preventable hospital death in the United States.

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/dvt/hospitalization-infographic.html

So with just this one fact, nine out of ten hospital deaths can be attributed to Covid even if Covid had nothing to do with the clots.Oh my God! Were you sober when you wrote this? You're still trying to rationalize that your prediction of 80,000 US deaths from CoVid wasn't a foolish uninformed guess.

"You see it wasn't my fault, I didn't take into consideration all the comorbidities. They were destined to die anyway. "

But worse than that, there was financial incentive for those making the cause of death decision to say it was Covid.Another falsehood spread by (so called) conservatives.

Do hospitals get more money when they list COVID-19 as a patient's cause of death?

No, hospitals do not get more money when they list COVID-19 as a patient's cause of death.

https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/coronavirus-verify/covid-19-coronavirus-hospital-deaths-funding-medicare-fact-check/536-74efc62c-e1c6-43fa-8a22-0ff482593afd

If you were to verify the information in detail you would see that in 2020 Congress passed a bill to pay hospitals more for Medicare's care and treatment of CoVid patients. Which kind of made good sense. Isolation and treatment in ICUs sometimes with Ventilators are costly.

Sweden is in the bottom 25% of Covid cases in Europe. Saying Sweden's Covid policy was a failure as it pertains to the general population is just beyond stupid. If you want to reward government policy as the only thing that matter with regards to Covid, a Democratic invention and dubious one at that, Sweden did great.And if Sweden had acted more responsibly as did their neighbors they would have been in the bottom 10% and saved many lives.

Wrong! You are trying to credit the vaccines with "doing something". The virus was mutating before the vaccines, and the vaccines do not prevent transmission.The vaccines stopped most people from catching CoVid in for first place, and those that did have had a far higher survival rate. That seems like "doing something". Oh and your constant battle-cry. the vaccines do not prevent transmission is nonsensical. If people don't get the virus because they were vaccinated how are they going to transmit something they don't have??

THAT is the reason the original strains of CoVid disappeared and mutated into a more virulent but less harmful strain. The vaccines are not very effective against the Omnicron variant but the death rate is dramatically lower.

Americans were told repeatedly by the news media that Asian nations were models with regards to the prevention of Covid and how stupid Trump was. My projection on deaths was based upon the data patteren available at the time and then the data changed. When you Dems were holding Asian nations up as models (like you bash Sweden and its model), I was saying just you wait those countries will get theirs. It is funny how you do not remember that.We all remember how wrong you were. China had, perhaps, the most severe lockdown anywhere. The whole Wuhan province was isolated and everyone was tested and every positive test had contact testing and contacts of contacts testing. China had far less deaths as a result. So now they are having a resurgence of CoVid but it is the Omnicron strain. I suppose Asians are more compliant in these situations.

As usual you blather on and on and on. I eventually get tired to doing the research and correcting all your misstatements. So, I'm sure you'll forgive me if I didn't rebut the rest of the garbage that you wrote.

Villainy

07-03-22, 16:41

GOP women are not baby butchersI guess in your high-school biology class you were absent the day they discussed the difference between a baby and a fetus.

EihTooms

07-03-22, 17:03

Hahaha republican women are smarter, they don't fuck around without being on pill or without protection. That 67% is by your MSM pollsters hoping for getting a bounce from the failed Buyden actions, just wait till November for real numbers LOL.Clarence Thomas, a very Republican man married to an even more Republican woman, has already put contraception in the bullseye for the Very Big Government Everywhere Especially In Your Bedroom Repub majority SCOTUS. Probably under orders from his wife.

See, once they ruled there is no Right To Privacy under the law, this Repub majority SCOTUS essentially ruled that if and when your birth control method of choice fails, which they all can at anytime even my vasectomy, it's Happy Father's Day to you with financial support for the next 18 years.

If they succeed as hoped for and planned, there will be no exceptions to that outcome and no ultimate legal remedy anywhere in the country.

Which marks the end of Sex-For-Pleasure and restricts it to For The Purpose of Preocreation in America whether you wanted it that way or not.

Villainy

07-03-22, 17:09

ROFL. I must admit I kinda admire Hunter. He is a ZFG dude. He wants to smoke crack and bang supermodel-looking hookers in Ukraine, he gets his dad to send him money and probably gets the secret service to ferry over the girls and gear. He wants to bang his dead brother's wife and diddle his nieces, he just does it. He wants to get megabucks kickbacks from China and Ukraine, he just tells them he will fuck their shit up unless they give it to him (with 10% for the big guy) and they do. He wants to shoot some shit up, he illegally obtains a firearm then orders the secret service to get rid of it for him.

He knows that there are no rules if you are related to a top-level democrat, and so he does whatever the fuck he wants with zero consequences. What a life.I think he learned it from the Trump kids.

Villainy

07-03-22, 17:44

Do you see any difference in death rates and case rates since the vaccine was developed?
Based on the shape of the graphs, and if you did not know when the vaccines were developed and deployed, can you tell when the vaccine was widely deployed?I think you are focused on the US because there is a higher percentage of people who listen to crackpot analysts and so didn't use masks and didn't get vaccinated. So let's look at several European countries where the CoVid threat was taken more seriously and see if we can notice any trends once the vaccines were developed and widely made available shall we?

United Kingdom: https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/gb.

Belgium: https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/be.

Netherlands: https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/nl.

Switzerland: https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/ch.

Germany: https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/de.

France: https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/fr.

Italy: https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/fr.

Spain: https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/es.

The pattern is pretty obvious and consistent. From March 2020 through about April or May 2021 the deaths from CoVid were very high and afterwards (other than a spike in December-January 2022) not so much.

In the last 6 months very very little.

Axel Heyst

07-03-22, 17:51

It really is Emperor's New Clothers-tier stuff.

They developed a vaccine for smallpox, based around injecting people with dead smallpox cells, and smallpox went away.

They developed a vaccine for measles, and measles went away.

They developed a vaccine for polio, and polio went away.

They developed a "vaccine" (actually untested RNA-altering fuckery with no long-term safety studies, as we are tragically finding out) for covid. And covid is still just as prevalent as ever.

And yet the fake news media tell you it's a total success, lionise the liar Fauci, and have late night TV skits with dancing needles.

Rather like telling you trannies are women, the border is secure, inflation is caused by Putin, and the world is going to end in ten years, it's yet another example of the complete divergence of the democrat / media / left narrative from factual reality.Yes, Joseph Goebbels, the German Minister of Propaganda 1933 - 1945, would be proud of his step child, the Woke Media. He invented the mass propaganda technique and enjoyed great success with it until it all came tumbling down in rubble with Allied bombs and Russian tanks.

Happy 4th of July everybody. It is time for Americans to Stand Up for Your Country.

Elvis 2008

07-03-22, 17:59

Did the coin flip tell you which way to go those other times too?Nah, it is not a coin flip. There are way more than 2 sides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrIfa7gSqsY

Brian Kelly case scenario #1: Inflation goes down to 5%. Fed has said they want to have neutral rates. That means they raise to 5%. Market goes down 70% and I am up 200+%.

BK scenario #2: Inflation goes to 10% next year. Fed goes to 10%. Market crashes 90% and my gains are in the stratosphere.

Santelli scenario: Money is pulled out of the market via massive unemployment. Market goes down 50%. I am up 150%. Argument with Santelli from traders is the Fed has said that unemployment is Biden's job not theirs. Santelli thinks the Fed will back off even though they have said they will not.

Your scenario: Biden waives a magic wand and oil floods the market as the Red Sea parts. Supply chains are mended overnight. China comes back on line but demand from them is way less than anticipated which does not cause inflation to rise. The Russia-Ukraine war is over, and Russian oil comes back on the market. Inflation craters to 2%. If all that happens and Biden is the miracle worker you think, that means prices in the stock market stay where they are.

For stocks to go up, it is not enough that oil demand and supply match each other. No, we have to be swimming in oil, and the only scenario I see with which that can happen is a recession that destroys demand. As for alternatives like electric cars, the lithium in the batteries of cars like Teslas is up 500%.

I do not invest in the stock market unless oil supply way outstrips demand because that is when there is low inflation. So Eih, my question to you is where is all this fucking oil going to come from Gramps? Your ass?

Gino02

07-03-22, 18:50

Are people here on this thread still trying to justify Biden as a successful POTUS (who doesn't take any accountability and blames others for every mess), or finally admit that he's a total failure and ready to get rid of him (actually get rid of his puppeteers)?

Happy Almost Birthday to USA! Let's be honest to ourselves guys. Peace Love Unity Respect.

DramaFree11

07-03-22, 19:02

Not for several years. So did you have a point?

Do you ever use Google?

Roughly 1 out of 10 hospital deaths are related to blood clots in the lungs.
Blood clots are a leading cause of preventable hospital death in the United States.

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/dvt/hospitalization-infographic.html

Oh my God! Were you sober when you wrote this? You're still trying to rationalize that your prediction of 80,000 US deaths from CoVid wasn't a foolish uninformed guess.

"You see it wasn't my fault, I didn't take into consideration all the comorbidities. They were destined to die anyway. "

Another falsehood spread by (so called) conservatives.

Do hospitals get more money when they list COVID-19 as a patient's cause of death?

No, hospitals do not get more money when they list COVID-19 as a patient's cause of death.

https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/coronavirus-verify/covid-19-coronavirus-hospital-deaths-funding-medicare-fact-check/536-74efc62c-e1c6-43fa-8a22-0ff482593afd

If you were to verify the information in detail you would see that in 2020 Congress passed a bill to pay hospitals more for Medicare's care and treatment of CoVid patients. Which kind of made good sense. Isolation and treatment in ICUs sometimes with Ventilators are costly.

And if Sweden had acted more responsibly as did their neighbors they would have been in the bottom 10% and saved many lives.

The vaccines stopped most people from catching CoVid in for first place, and those that did have had a far higher survival rate. That seems like "doing something". Oh and your constant battle-cry. the vaccines do not prevent transmission is nonsensical. If people don't get the virus because they were vaccinated how are they going to transmit something they don't have??

THAT is the reason the original strains of CoVid disappeared and mutated into a more virulent but less harmful strain. The vaccines are not very effective against the Omnicron variant but the death rate is dramatically lower.

We all remember how wrong you were. China had, perhaps, the most severe lockdown anywhere. The whole Wuhan province was isolated and everyone was tested and every positive test had contact testing and contacts of contacts testing. China had far less deaths as a result. So now they are having a resurgence of CoVid but it is the Omnicron strain. I suppose Asians are more compliant in these situations.

As usual you blather on and on and on. I eventually get tired to doing the research and correcting all your misstatements. So, I'm sure you'll forgive me if I didn't rebut the rest of the garbage that you wrote.M.

This is crazy, hosptial definitely got money for Covid. Also, I have friends in Mxico that got money if they signed off if someone had Covid. You really think the Covid test is 100% accurate, Hell no. I also have friends that got all 4 vaccines and still got Covid.

ScatManDoo

07-03-22, 19:07

If the Dem. Leadership keeps this up they will lose control of everything and hopefully they will set there party back 10-20 years. Anyone who does not know the difference between "there" and "their" well enough to use the correct word.

Is too ignorant to waste my time debating.

Elvis 2008

07-03-22, 20:01

Do you ever use Google?

Roughly 1 out of 10 hospital deaths are related to blood clots in the lungs..Yeah, and I use it right. One in 10 hospital deaths is listed as due to blood clots. Eight of ten are not listed as causes of death, but they could be.

You're still trying to rationalize that your prediction of 80,000 US deaths from CoVid wasn't a foolish uninformed guess.No, I am saying you do not have the data to show that it was wrong. You have Covid related deaths not deaths due to Covid.

No, hospitals do not get more money when they list COVID-19 as a patient's cause of death.Your own link shows that not to be true. If someone dies from a heart attack or blood clot or anything, the hospital is incentivized to do a post mortem Covid test and put that on the death certificate.

Isolation and treatment in ICUs sometimes with Ventilators are costly..LOL. Ventilators. Oh boy.

And if Sweden had acted more responsibly as did their neighbors they would have been in the bottom 10% and saved many lives.Why stop there? They would have had no deaths and increased life expectancy if only they had listened to you.

The vaccines do not prevent transmission is nonsensical.Only thing nonsensical about that statement is you are telling a lie. Period.

That is the reason the original strains of CoVid disappeared and mutated into a more virulent but less harmful strain.That is totally made up.

The vaccines are not very effective against the Omnicron variant but the death rate is dramatically lower.What does not very effective mean? And lower death rate compared to whom? That statement is not based on a double blind study. It is purely observational and would be rejected as unscientific in every other instance. Approval of the vaccines was based on lower transmission rates. Period. Once that statement is proven to be false, you do not get to make up some new benefit if you are being scientific.

China had, perhaps, the most severe lockdown anywhere. The whole Wuhan province was isolated and everyone was tested and every positive test had contact testing and contacts of contacts testing. China had far less deaths as a result. So now they are having a resurgence of CoVid but it is the Omnicron strain. I suppose Asians are more compliant in these situations.OMG. China lied to Trump. China allowed international travelers to come into Wuhan while banning domestic ones coming in. They took a ton of information about Corona virus offline from their lab, and you are going on about how great China is and how we should believe their data? Yeah, why not? You are a Dem after all.

So, I'm sure you'll forgive me if I didn't rebut the rest of the garbage that you wrote.You mean the part where lockdowns led to sick and even dead kids? Yeah, I did not expect you to even try on that. All you dumb Dems have done for two years is blather on about how great lockdowns are and completely ignore all the devastating effects from them.

If the lockdowns worked so great and there are so many cases, why are you not isolating now?

MarquisdeSade1

07-03-22, 20:32

MarquisdeSade1

07-03-22, 21:12

Yes, Joseph Goebbels, the German Minister of Propaganda 1933 - 1945, would be proud of his step child, the Woke Media. He invented the mass propaganda technique and enjoyed great success with it until it all came tumbling down in rubble with Allied bombs and Russian tanks.

Happy 4th of July everybody. It is time for Americans to Stand Up for Your Country.https://babylonbee.com/news/dick-cheney-thrilled-to-no-longer-be-least-likable-cheney

https://babylonbee.com/news/disaster-after-impractical-jokers-get-a-hold-of-bidens-cheat-sheet

https://babylonbee.com/news/simone-biles-awarded-second-medal-of-freedom-for-backing-out-of-first-medal-of-freedom-ceremony

Chris P

07-03-22, 22:03

The vaccines stopped most people from catching CoVid in for first place, and those that did have had a far higher survival rate. That seems like "doing something". Oh and your constant battle-cry. the vaccines do not prevent transmission is nonsensical. If people don't get the virus because they were vaccinated how are they going to transmit something they don't have??

That is the reason the original strains of CoVid disappeared and mutated into a more virulent but less harmful strain. The vaccines are not very effective against the Omnicron variant but the death rate is dramatically lower. They didn't stop most people catching or transmitting covid. And virus strains mutate all the time. It had nothing whatsoever to do with the useless, fake, untested RNA death jab which helped nobody except the shareholders of Big Pharma and the proponents of the Great Reset and Great Replacement.

Now go get your 3rd booster then get your heart rate up.

Chris P

07-03-22, 22:09

I think he learned it from the Trump kids.No, because if the Trump kids had done 10% of what he has done (multiple counts of hard drug abuse, felonies, corruption, the list is endless) it would be all over the fake news media every single day.

Just like they had a pisspants meltdown when Trump walked slowly down a wet, slippery ramp to avoid slipping, but completely memoryholed Biden collapsing three times while trying to walk up the steps of his plane. Or more recently, falling off his bike when it wasn't even moving: perhaps the Secret Service should attach stabilizer wheels in future?

All just more of the myriad examples of fake media bias and lies by omission. Time to end it, one way or another.

Chris P

07-03-22, 22:17

And if Sweden had acted more responsibly as did their neighbors they would have been in the bottom 10% and saved many lives.

ROFL. You accept that Sweden was in the bottom 25% of European covid deaths, far lower than the majority of countries that implemented brutal, damaging lockdowns that ruined millions of lives.

But rather than do the honest thing and say "Yup, looks like they were right. There was no need for these terrible, destructive lockdowns after all, with the livelihoods wrecked, increase in suicide, domestic abuse, drug abuse, mental illness, lack of child development and many more horrific outcomes", you keep up the clownshow by saying "the bottom 25% wasn't good enough!

If the lack of lockdown made a difference, Sweden would have been at the very top of the list, with hundreds of thousands dropping dead left right and centre. They are the placebo case that proves your entire thesis is bullshit.

And yet you cling grimly to it. Again, I am astounded by the degree to which leftists can totally ignore factual reality in order to push their completely fake and false narrative. It is in itself a kind of mental illness, one that we will need to address after we retake our country.

Chris P

07-03-22, 22:25

Clarence Thomas, a very Republican man married to an even more Republican woman, has already put contraception in the bullseye for the Very Big Government Everywhere Especially In Your Bedroom Repub majority SCOTUS. Probably under orders from his wife.

See, once they ruled there is no Right To Privacy under the lawDo you actually seriously think they're going to ban condoms and birth control? Haha! They really did brainwash you good, didn't they? Certainly, they might ban fag "marriage" because that was always a bunch of bullshit which should be decided democratically by the states.

As for the "right to privacy", and the idea abortion is a "Constitutional right", that is just hilarious. Like Washington, Adams and Jefferson were thinking 'we need to make sure sluts can kill their kids' while they were writing it. Just grasping ridiculously at non-existent straws. Only a leftist could lie so shamelessly. "Right to privacy" my ass. If I kill someone in private does that mean I can't be prosecuted? Well, maybe if I'm related to Biden, Pelosi or Clinton, but for anyone else that's a no.

Villainy

07-04-22, 02:39

Yeah, and I use it right. One in 10 hospital deaths is listed as due to blood clots. Eight of ten are not listed as causes of death, but they could be.Roughly 1 out of 10 hospital deaths are related to blood clots in the lungs.

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/dvt/hospitalization-infographic.html

I'm still waiting to see your source.

No, I am saying you do not have the data to show that it was wrong. You have Covid related deaths not deaths due to Covid.So CoVid depleted the immune system and you're arguing about whether it was the CoVid that killed him / her or whether it was something else which was accelerated by the depleted immune system.

US Deaths 1,043,316 (7/2/22).

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

How many deaths were unreported as CoVid?? If anything that number should be higher.

Your own link shows that not to be true. If someone dies from a heart attack or blood clot or anything, the hospital is incentivized to do a post mortem Covid test and put that on the death certificate.Apparently your reading skills are failing you. Look at the headline of the page in BIG BOLD letters.

No, hospitals don't get more money when they list COVID-19 as a patients cause of death

https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/coronavirus-verify/covid-19-coronavirus-hospital-deaths-funding-medicare-fact-check/536-74efc62c-e1c6-43fa-8a22-0ff482593afd

I tried to help you out but you never learn. Hospitals get paid extra for treating Medicare patients with CoVid but NOT for marking a death certificate as a CoVid death. Pay attention to the key words there Treating Medicare Patients.

Why stop there? They would have had no deaths and increased life expectancy if only they had listened to you.
Sweden is in the bottom 25% of Covid cases in Europe.I made a horrendous mistake! When Elvis said that Sweden is in the bottom 25% of CoVid cases in Europe I didn't check it. Mistake, I did this time. Sweden is in the bottom 35% of per capita CoVid cases. Not as good as Elvis would have you believe. Why? Because many of the smaller countries have much greater population density. Countries like Monaco, San Marino, Andorra, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Montenegro. You get the idea. More densly populated means more people living in less space hence higher likelihood of transmission.

BTW Sweden falls in almost exactly the same place in 'deaths per capita'. The neighbors: Denmark, Finland and Norway all fall in the bottem 10% of deaths per capita. Hmmmm.

Only thing nonsensical about that statement is you are telling a lie. Period.Then why did the rate of CoVid infection go down after the vaccines were approved and widely used? The rate spiked again when the Omicron variant made its debut in December-January 2022.

Why did the death rate go down after the vaccines were approved and widely used? With a far smaller spike in December-January 2022?

What does not very effective mean? And lower death rate compared to whom? That statement is not based on a double blind study. It is purely observational and would be rejected as unscientific in every other instance. Approval of the vaccines was based on lower transmission rates. Period. Once that statement is proven to be false, you do not get to make up some new benefit if you are being scientific.The vaccines resulted in a drop in cases and a drop in deaths. I humiliated you in another post where you said you saw NO drop in the death rate. I linked you to 10 European countries that had graphs that showed that the original CoVid cases and deaths dropped off starting April-June of 2021 but the cases spked again in December-January 2022. However the death rate remained much lower than before.

OMG. China lied to Trump. China allowed international travelers to come into Wuhan while banning domestic ones coming in. They took a ton of information about Corona virus offline from their lab, and you are going on about how great China is and how we should believe their data? Yeah, why not? You are a Dem after all.Remind me, who pulled our viral scientists out of China because they weren't needed? Oooopsie They were needed. One of Trump's many fiascos that was someone elses fault.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv-idUSKBN21C3N5

Whether you like China or not, they seemed to have taken extreme measures to isolate CoVid carriers and control the spread.

Villainy

07-04-22, 03:04

ROFL. You accept that Sweden was in the bottom 25% of European covid deaths, far lower than the majority of countries that implemented brutal, damaging lockdowns that ruined millions of lives.

But rather than do the honest thing and say "Yup, looks like they were right. There was no need for these terrible, destructive lockdowns after all, with the livelihoods wrecked, increase in suicide, domestic abuse, drug abuse, mental illness, lack of child development and many more horrific outcomes", you keep up the clownshow by saying "the bottom 25% wasn't good enough!I made a horrendous mistake! When Elvis said that Sweden is in the bottom 25% of CoVid cases in Europe I didn't check it. Mistake, I did this time. Sweden is in the bottom 35% of per capita CoVid cases. Not as good as Elvis would have you believe. Why? Because many of the smaller countries have much greater population density. Countries like Monaco, San Marino, Andorra, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Montenegro. You get the idea. More densely populated means more people living in less space hence higher likelihood of transmission.

BTW Sweden falls in almost exactly the same place in 'deaths per capita'. The neighbors: Denmark, Finland and Norway all fall in the bottom 10% of deaths per capita. Hmmmm.

I guess if you are at the 35th percentile of deaths per capita you might think that was pretty good. But your neighbors are at the 10th percentile. I don't know if care much about your family but if it was my family I sure as hell would like to be taking the course that brought our death rate down from the 35th percentile to the 10th percentile.

If the lack of lockdown made a difference, Sweden would have been at the very top of the list, with hundreds of thousands dropping dead left right and centre. They are the placebo case that proves your entire thesis is bullshit.

And yet you cling grimly to it. Again, I am astounded by the degree to which leftists can totally ignore factual reality in order to push their completely fake and false narrative. It is in itself a kind of mental illness, one that we will need to address after we retake our country.I don't think you understand what happened with lockdowns. Without going into the details in every country in Europe. Let's just look at the Scandinavian countries so that you can understand it.

Sweden didn't go into lockdowns. The neighbors did but obviously they couldn't stay locked down for a long time. The critical point is this was the early days (say the virus started March 2020). The lockdowns (which were never promoted as a "permanent solution") had the expected effect. Hospitals were able to increase their ICU capability including purchasing ventilators. Vaccines were several months closer to general availability. Net result? Less deaths. Elvis proudly boasted that later when the neighboring countries had big increases in CoVid cases (mostly due to Omnicron) that the tide was turning. But the reality is that Omnicron was far more virulent but also far less lethal and although the neighboring countries lost most of their big advantage in having less cases the lower death count has never changed.

Lockdowns were never a permanent solution. The countries that used them were only able to keep that up for a few months. But the earlier those few months were the better. Results show it.

Sweden would never have been at the top of the death list. Other countries didn't use lockdowns either. Sweden isn't a densely populated country. Population density IS a major factor in how quickly the virus spreads.

JustTK

07-04-22, 03:16

Gino02

07-04-22, 03:51

Defund the Democrats: Stop giving money to the party of surrender and inaction. Salon (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/defund-the-democrats-stop-giving-money-to-the-party-of-surrender-and-inaction/ar-AAZ93Sm).

Hilarious when brainwashed libtards realizes they are feeding the cronies. LOL.

Elvis 2008

07-04-22, 03:52

If the lack of lockdown made a difference, Sweden would have been at the very top of the list, with hundreds of thousands dropping dead left right and centre. They are the placebo case that proves your entire thesis is bullshit.

And yet you cling grimly to it. Again, I am astounded by the degree to which leftists can totally ignore factual reality in order to push their completely fake and false narrative. It is in itself a kind of mental illness, one that we will need to address after we retake our country.
M.

This is crazy, hosptial definitely got money for Covid. Also, I have friends in Mxico that got money if they signed off if someone had Covid. You really think the Covid test is 100% accurate, Hell no. I also have friends that got all 4 vaccines and still got Covid.The journalist I trust the most is Matt Taibbi, and he went on Ben Shapiro's show, and it was a refreshing discussion between two honest people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAxbhC9UyOM.

If you go to the 43 minute mark, you will see both these guys tear into the stupid narrative health officials were pushing.

If you go back to like the 40 minute mark, Shapiro lists the lies that destroyed the faith so many people have in government institutions. What gets me is now that we know so much of this stuff is bullshit, there are so many dumb Dems who swear they are true. It's like when Viliany says the vaccine prevented transmission. It is like no, dumbass the head of the CDC said it is not true. Why in the hell would you defy her?

It is like what are you gaining for lying?

Chris P

07-04-22, 04:43

Chris P

07-04-22, 04:48

They will find either a prison cell or a morgue for him sooner rather than later!!You'd like to think so. And hopefully after the collapse and restoration he'll see justice. But right now the high-level swamp dems are untouchable. That's why they won't release the tapes from Epstein Island.

In fact, they are now siccing the FBI on their political enemies, raiding journalists at Project Veritas and former Trump staffers. Another sign of a failing and moribund banana republic regime.

Chris P

07-04-22, 06:52

The journalist I trust the most is Matt Taibbi, and he went on Ben Shapiro's show, and it was a refreshing discussion between two honest people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAxbhC9UyOM.

If you go to the 43 minute mark, you will see both these guys tear into the stupid narrative health officials were pushing.

If you go back to like the 40 minute mark, Shapiro lists the lies that destroyed the faith so many people have in government institutions. What gets me is now that we know so much of this stuff is bullshit, there are so many dumb Dems who swear they are true. It's like when Viliany says the vaccine prevented transmission. It is like no, dumbass the head of the CDC said it is not true. Why in the hell would you defy her?

It is like what are you gaining for lying?Good video. Matt Taibbi is worth listening to, as are Glenn Greenwald and Alex Berenson. Naturally, the latter two were forced out of their fake news organizations (The Intercept and The New York Times) for telling the truth.

As for why leftists lie, for the ones at the top it is because they have a lot to gain from their lies. But for the regular doofuses like we see in this forum, it can only be cognitive dissonance. For their entire lives this fake worldview and belief system has been so indoctrinated into them that it has become ingrained in the very grooves of their brains. For them to break out and accept the reality that the entire basis for their existence has been a lie must be truly terrifying. So they keep telling themselves increasingly outrageous falsehoods to cope.

EihTooms

07-04-22, 07:05

Nah, it is not a coin flip. There are way more than 2 sides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrIfa7gSqsY

Brian Kelly case scenario #1: Inflation goes down to 5%. Fed has said they want to have neutral rates. That means they raise to 5%. Market goes down 70% and I am up 200+%.

BK scenario #2: Inflation goes to 10% next year. Fed goes to 10%. Market crashes 90% and my gains are in the stratosphere.

Santelli scenario: Money is pulled out of the market via massive unemployment. Market goes down 50%. I am up 150%. Argument with Santelli from traders is the Fed has said that unemployment is Biden's job not theirs. Santelli thinks the Fed will back off even though they have said they will not.

Your scenario: Biden waives a magic wand and oil floods the market as the Red Sea parts. Supply chains are mended overnight. China comes back on line but demand from them is way less than anticipated which does not cause inflation to rise. The Russia-Ukraine war is over, and Russian oil comes back on the market. Inflation craters to 2%. If all that happens and Biden is the miracle worker you think, that means prices in the stock market stay where they are.

For stocks to go up, it is not enough that oil demand and supply match each other. No, we have to be swimming in oil, and the only scenario I see with which that can happen is a recession that destroys demand. As for alternatives like electric cars, the lithium in the batteries of cars like Teslas is up 500%.

I do not invest in the stock market unless oil supply way outstrips demand because that is when there is low inflation. So Eih, my question to you is where is all this fucking oil going to come from Gramps? Your ass?Again, Biden did nothing different to pull us out of the latest Great Repub Economic Disaster than other incoming Dems had to do. Except his efforts worked better and faster than previously.

Yet you say you didn't bail out of the market when the incoming Obama admin had to do it. That is some lucky coin you've got to flip there. Make sure you don't lose it.

Bet you wish it had done as well for you all those other times it didn't flip up the right way, huh?

EihTooms

07-04-22, 07:40

Do you actually seriously think they're going to ban condoms and birth control? Haha! They really did brainwash you good, didn't they? Certainly, they might ban fag "marriage" because that was always a bunch of bullshit which should be decided democratically by the states.

As for the "right to privacy", and the idea abortion is a "Constitutional right", that is just hilarious. Like Washington, Adams and Jefferson were thinking 'we need to make sure sluts can kill their kids' while they were writing it. Just grasping ridiculously at non-existent straws. Only a leftist could lie so shamelessly. "Right to privacy" my ass. If I kill someone in private does that mean I can't be prosecuted? Well, maybe if I'm related to Biden, Pelosi or Clinton, but for anyone else that's a no.Yeah, "Haha!" They said the same thing about repealing Roe v Wade. In fact, some of the Repubs on the SCOTUS who voted to reject the idea of Right to Privacy and thereby repealed Roe v Wade were some of the people leading the laughs about that considering how respectful they pretended to be about now almost 50 years of legal precedent supporting it.

Biden, other critics fear Thomass extreme position on contraception

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/contraception-supreme-court-clarence-thomas-griswold/

In an opinion concurring with his conservative colleagues on the Supreme Court to overturn the fundamental right to an abortion, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote on Friday that striking down Roe v. Wade should also open up the high court to review other precedents that may be deemed demonstrably erroneous.

Among those, Thomas wrote, was the right for married couples to buy and use contraception without government restriction, from the landmark 1965 ruling in Griswold v. Connecticut.

In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Courts substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell, Thomas wrote on Page 119 of the opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Womens Health, also referring to the rulings that legalized same-sex relationships and marriage equality, respectively. Because any substantive due process decision is demonstrably erroneous we have a duty to correct the error established in those precedents.Some States Already Are Targeting Birth Control

https://www.pewtrusts.org/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2022/05/19/some-states-already-are-targeting-birth-control

But in the fine print of their measure, those Republicans revealed that their ambition wasnt only to target a familiar abortion foe. They were going after specific forms of birth control as well, notably, emergency contraceptives, often sold under the brand name Plan B, and intrauterine devices, known as IUDs. GOP lawmakers tried to stop Missouris Medicaid agency from paying for those forms of contraception.AFTER STRIKING DOWN ROE, SUPREME COURT JUSTICE THREATENS TO GO AFTER CONTRACEPTION, SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, AND BRING BACK SODOMY LAWS

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/06/supreme-court-roe-v-wade-clarence-thomas-contraception-same-sex-marriage-sodomy

After Roe v. Wade ruling, Texas AG Ken Paxton say he would defend reinstating state's sodomy law

https://www.sacurrent.com/news/after-roe-v-wade-ruling-texas-ag-ken-paxton-say-he-would-defend-reinstating-states-sodomy-law-29249154

https://www.aclu.org/other/update-status-sodomy-laws

Sodomy laws generally prohibit oral and anal sex, even between consenting adults.

Paulie97

07-04-22, 13:13

BTW Sweden falls in almost exactly the same place in 'deaths per capita'. The neighbors: Denmark, Finland and Norway all fall in the bottom 10% of deaths per capita. Hmmmm.

I guess if you are at the 35th percentile of deaths per capita you might think that was pretty good. But your neighbors are at the 10th percentile. I don't know if care much about your family but if it was my family I sure as hell would like to be taking the course that brought our death rate down from the 35th percentile to the 10th percentile. The wingnut Covid psuedo-scientists and conspiracy theorists are dependent on comparing Sweden to nations other than the logical choices of their Nordic neighbors. For after all, they need to save face in a hooker forum. In the US red states still lead blue states in per capita deaths, further exposing their lies that masks, vaccines, other restrictions don't work. They are a party to spreading lies that have sent many people unnecessarily to a pre-mature grave. And in the case of this forum, some just in response to their frustrations in having to cancel their sex vacations. What is it about hooker forums that attracts such a high proportion of good family values conservatives? That's an interesting sociological question all by it's lonesome, but I digress.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/red-blue-america-glaring-divide-covid-19-death/story?id=83649085

PVMonger

07-04-22, 14:36

Yeah that was my reaction when the leftard mentioned ventilators. Remember a couple of years back when they were the big thing in the fake news media, and Nipples Cuomo was ranting about them every day in between sexually assaulting women, on his show that hollyweird gave him an emmy for?

Then it turned out they were worse than useless, killed everyone who was put on them, and had been a total waste of life and money. So of course the fake news just memoryholed them like Biden collapsing on his plane steps or shitting his pants in the Vatican. Kind of encapsulates the entire scamdemic really, and indeed the entire Washington govt / media swamp.Jeez, cupcake, are you Elvis the MD in disguise?

Ventilators killed everyone who was put on them? Really? Did your brain ever think that only the very serious COVID cases were put on ventilators? No, you probably didn't. Why not say that chemo and radiation kills everybody who gets that treatment. Because, after all, everybody who has cancer eventually dies, right?

People who think like you are the reason why the US is in such bad shape. Everything is a conspiracy. All doctors, lawyers, journalists, environmentalists, etc. Have all ganged up on the Mango Mussolini and his brain-dead cultists. When the cult looks at a group of people marching somewhere and one person is out-of-step with the rest, the cult claims that everybody else is out-of-step with him.

Oh, yes, and let's not forget the "fake news media". The tRUMP cultists don't know that the leaders in Germany from 1933 to 1945 called the press "fake news" too. Probably because it takes education to know that and education isn't the strong suit of you cultists.

PVMonger

07-04-22, 15:00

Do you actually seriously think they're going to ban condoms and birth control? Haha! They really did brainwash you good, didn't they? Certainly, they might ban fag "marriage" because that was always a bunch of bullshit which should be decided democratically by the states.

As for the "right to privacy", and the idea abortion is a "Constitutional right", that is just hilarious. Like Washington, Adams and Jefferson were thinking 'we need to make sure sluts can kill their kids' while they were writing it. Just grasping ridiculously at non-existent straws. Only a leftist could lie so shamelessly. "Right to privacy" my ass. If I kill someone in private does that mean I can't be prosecuted? Well, maybe if I'm related to Biden, Pelosi or Clinton, but for anyone else that's a no.I wish you'd simply pick one argument and stick to it.

Justice Thomas wrote that he would consider looking at other "precedents" to determine whether or not to overturn them: "In future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court's substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell," Thomas wrote on Page 119 of the opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health, also referring to the rulings that legalized same-sex relationships and marriage equality, respectively. "Because any substantive due process decision is 'demonstrably erroneous' . We have a duty to 'correct the error' established in those precedents. " Thomas added, "After overruling these demonstrably erroneous decisions, the question would remain whether other constitutional provisions guarantee the myriad rights that our substantive due process cases have generated. " It is interesting, though, that he didn't say anything about interracial marriage which is based upon the same due process argument. Hypocrisy much? https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/contraception-supreme-court-clarence-thomas-griswold/.

Griswold was the case that made it legal for married couples to buy contraceptives. What part of Thomas' writing do you not understand? But he did use some bigly words so maybe that's it.

The three Justices appointed by Donnie the Dumbass all "lied" during their confirmation hearings. They should be brought up on felony charges for lying to Congress during their confirmation hearings when questioned about Roe v. Wade. They will all vote to overturn every decision based on the due process argument and you RethugliKKKans will be happy. You will have turned the US into a Christian version of Iran.

Villainy

07-04-22, 15:30

It's like when Viliany says the vaccine prevented transmission. It is like no, dumbass the head of the CDC said it is not true. Why in the hell would you defy her?
You've demonstrated time and again that your reading skills are lacking. Let me say it again slowly and simply. Maybe you'll finally understand (but I sincerely doubt it).

I never said that the vaccine prevented transmission. What I said, is that the vaccine makes it far less likely that you will catch the original strain of CoVid..

If you don't get the virus, you can't transmit the virus. You can't transmit what you don't have.

Hey, I have an idea. Maybe Matt Taibbi can explain it to you.

PVMonger

07-04-22, 16:14

Good video. Matt Taibbi is worth listening to, as are Glenn Greenwald and Alex Berenson. Naturally, the latter two were forced out of their fake news organizations (The Intercept and The New York Times) for telling the truth.

As for why leftists lie, for the ones at the top it is because they have a lot to gain from their lies. But for the regular doofuses like we see in this forum, it can only be cognitive dissonance. For their entire lives this fake worldview and belief system has been so indoctrinated into them that it has become ingrained in the very grooves of their brains. For them to break out and accept the reality that the entire basis for their existence has been a lie must be truly terrifying. So they keep telling themselves increasingly outrageous falsehoods to cope.Now we all know why you love these guys so much. They are wrong on almost everything and have lost touch with reality. Sort of like the Orange Buffoon and all of his cultists. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/pandemics-wrongest-man/618475/ and https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/greenwald-intercept-feud/2021/05/20/34732c92-b727-11eb-a5fe-bb49dc89a248_story.html.

But sure, rant on about how the other side has cognitive dissonance and a fake worldview. ROFL.

EihTooms

07-04-22, 16:25

Nah, it is not a coin flip. There are way more than 2 sides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrIfa7gSqsY

Brian Kelly case scenario #1: Inflation goes down to 5%. Fed has said they want to have neutral rates. That means they raise to 5%. Market goes down 70% and I am up 200+%.

BK scenario #2: Inflation goes to 10% next year. Fed goes to 10%. Market crashes 90% and my gains are in the stratosphere.

Santelli scenario: Money is pulled out of the market via massive unemployment. Market goes down 50%. I am up 150%. Argument with Santelli from traders is the Fed has said that unemployment is Biden's job not theirs. Santelli thinks the Fed will back off even though they have said they will not..Here is Rick Santelli's infamous "just buy cars and houses and give them to people!" pro Socialism Doom and Gloom rant against the Obama-Biden Administration's since proven wildly successful Great Dem Recovery from the Great Repub Crash and Recession prior to Trump's:

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2015/02/06/santellis-tea-party-rant-february-19-2009.html

Less than 3 weeks later, after Obama signed and passed the Dems' American Recovery and Reinvestment Act without a single Repub vote in the House and only 3 in the Senate and, remarkably, just days after Obama publicly made one of the greatest stock market calls of all time, the USA economy and stock market began one of the greatest, longest and steadiest Economic Expansions, uninterrupted months of positive jobs creation and Bull Market Runs in history:

President Obama made one of history's greatest stock market calls in March 2009

https://www.businessinsider.com/obama-buying-stocks-potentially-good-deal-march-2009-2017-1

The fact that you would include idiot loser Santelli's prognostications on anything as one of your coin flip options speaks volumes about your cluelessness on the topics of investing, the stock market and the USA's complex national economy.

Chris P

07-04-22, 16:47

GOP lawmakers tried to stop Missouris Medicaid agency from paying for those forms of contraception.Aha! There it is. Nobody is outlawing contraception. We are simply saying that the taxpayer should not be on the hook for it. If sluts want to fuck around, they pay for their own contraception.

Of course most democrats consider that the same as banning it, because they owe their very existence to the government teat, be it gibsmedat welfare or useless make work govt jobs.

MarquisdeSade1

07-04-22, 17:11

Yeah, "Haha!" They said the same thing about repealing Roe v Wade. In fact, some of the Repubs on the SCOTUS who voted to reject the idea of Right to Privacy and thereby repealed Roe v Wade were some of the people leading the laughs about that considering how respectful they pretended to be about now almost 50 years of legal precedent supporting it.

Biden, other critics fear Thomass extreme position on contraception

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/contraception-supreme-court-clarence-thomas-griswold/

Some States Already Are Targeting Birth Control

https://www.pewtrusts.org/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2022/05/19/some-states-already-are-targeting-birth-control

AFTER STRIKING DOWN ROE, SUPREME COURT JUSTICE THREATENS TO GO AFTER CONTRACEPTION, SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, AND BRING BACK SODOMY LAWS

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/06/supreme-court-roe-v-wade-clarence-thomas-contraception-same-sex-marriage-sodomy..https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/04/nolte-this-july-4th-trump-americas-most-popular-politician/

https://www.breitbart.com/latin-america/2022/07/04/exclusive-guatemalan-president-suggests-biden-letting-drugs-in-from-venezuela-to-negotiate-oil/

Villainy

07-04-22, 17:52

LOL. Ventilators. Oh boy.
Yeah that was my reaction when the leftard mentioned ventilators. Remember a couple of years back when they were the big thing in the fake news media, and Nipples Cuomo was ranting about them every day in between sexually assaulting women, on his show that hollyweird gave him an emmy for?

Then it turned out they were worse than useless, killed everyone who was put on them, and had been a total waste of life and money. So of course the fake news just memoryholed them like Biden collapsing on his plane steps or shitting his pants in the Vatican. Kind of encapsulates the entire scamdemic really, and indeed the entire Washington govt / media swamp.
Jeez, cupcake, are you Elvis the MD in disguise?

Ventilators killed everyone who was put on them? Really? Did your little pea-sized brain ever think that only the very serious COVID cases were put on ventilators? No, you probably didn't. Why not say that chemo and radiation kills everybody who gets that treatment. Because, after all, everybody who has cancer eventually dies, right?

People who think like you are the reason why the US is in such bad shape. Everything is a conspiracy. All doctors, lawyers, journalists, environmentalists, etc. Have all ganged up on the Mango Mussolini and his brain-dead cultists. When the cult looks at a group of people marching somewhere and one person is out-of-step with the rest, the cult claims that everybody else is out-of-step with him.
My compliments to PVMonger who destroyed the skeptical, irrational comments.

I just wanted to add 2 things.

First, you guys are confusing cause and effect.

People died on ventilators (effect) SO, ventilators caused their deaths (cause). As PVMonger mentioned, people are put on ventilators because their lungs are not oxigenating the blood. When the organs don't receive enough oxygen they start to fail or shutdown and death follows. Ventilators are a last resort to help the patient oxigenate their blood and hopefully their lungs heal sufficiently to be taken off the ventilator.

My second point is that perhaps you should think of it in football terms. Your team has 5 seconds left in the 4th quarter and your team is down by 5 points. They are at mid-field. What do you do?? You throw a Hail-Mary. Its a low percentage play (unless you have Aaron Rodger as your quarterback) but its the play that gives you a chance.

Well ventilators are the Hail-Mary play when the CoVid patient is suffering from hypoxemia.

MarquisdeSade1

07-04-22, 20:01

Good video. Matt Taibbi is worth listening to, as are Glenn Greenwald and Alex Berenson. Naturally, the latter two were forced out of their fake news organizations (The Intercept and The New York Times) for telling the truth.

As for why leftists lie, for the ones at the top it is because they have a lot to gain from their lies. But for the regular doofuses like we see in this forum, it can only be cognitive dissonance. For their entire lives this fake worldview and belief system has been so indoctrinated into them that it has become ingrained in the very grooves of their brains. For them to break out and accept the reality that the entire basis for their existence has been a lie must be truly terrifying. So they keep telling themselves increasingly outrageous falsehoods to cope.Not even 50% in one state not even Delaware LOL.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/04/poll-joe-bidens-job-approval-underwater-48-states-30-overall/

The loons on this thread are like Paulie the pipe rider, she says she writes in comment sections on conservative media websites?

Seriously? What kinda loser does that? Well that's what kind of fools you're arguing with.

Elvis 2008

07-04-22, 20:22

Ventilators killed everyone who was put on them? Really? Did your brain ever think that only the very serious COVID cases were put on ventilators? No, you probably didn't.LOL. Completely wrong and Chris is totally right. The problem with Covid was low oxygen not ventilation / high carbon dioxide. The thought process was that you put the really sick ones on ventilators because it is "doing something". It was hard to criticize a doctor putting someone on a ventilator who was breathing quickly and oxygen levels were down. It was pretty evident though that almost everyone put on them died. Instead, positive pressure was used and higher levels of oxygen were used, and people did much better.

So yeah, really sick people were put on ventilators, and it was observed that most died. Cuomo's call for thousands of ventilators like the lockdowns, hysteria about the vaccines, washing hands, social distancing, and masks were all shown later to either have done nothing or been harmful. That you do not see that is not a surprise. You masturbate to the government narrative.

Elvis 2008

07-04-22, 20:38

What I said, is that the vaccine makes it far less likely that you will catch the original strain of CoVid.

If you don't get the virus, you can't transmit the virus. You can't transmit what you don't have.

Hey, I have an idea. Maybe Matt Taibbi can explain it to you.LOL. You do not know what the original strain of Covid was. The vaccine was not tested against the original strain you. There have been dozens of strains by now.

If a patient had a reaction to last year's flu shot given by a doctor, he would have his ass sued off, and the reason is there is no benefit. Last year's flu shot like the Covid vaccine is worthless or nearly worthless against the strains present in society. So you are giving something with no benefit and all risk. The only reason this shit was allowed was because of the vaccine's immunity. You watch. The vaccine companies are going to pull or limit the vaccines once their legal immunity from being sued is pulled. And if they allow the vaccine to be given, their tune on the body's own natural immunity is going to completely change. Vaccinating those people will be totally off limits.

You see this is something you dumb Dems morons never got. Vaccinating those who were previously sick with Covid was all risk and no benefit.

Why do you think Pfizer wanted to hide adverse results from the vaccine for 75 years?

It amazes me you dumb Dems STILL cannot see what was medical and what was political.

MarquisdeSade1

07-04-22, 21:26

https://www.breitbart.com/border/2022/07/03/graphic-video-migrant-running-from-police-killed-by-passing-vehicle-on-texas-highway-near-border/

MarquisdeSade1

07-04-22, 22:09

Yeah, "Haha!" They said the same thing about repealing Roe v Wade. In fact, some of the Repubs on the SCOTUS who voted to reject the idea of Right to Privacy and thereby repealed Roe v Wade were some of the people leading the laughs about that considering how respectful they pretended to be about now almost 50 years of legal precedent supporting it.

Biden, other critics fear Thomass extreme position on contraception

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/contraception-supreme-court-clarence-thomas-griswold/

Some States Already Are Targeting Birth Control

https://www.pewtrusts.org/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2022/05/19/some-states-already-are-targeting-birth-control

after striking down roe, supreme court justice threatens to go after contraception, same-sex marriage, and bring back sodomy laws

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/06/supreme-court-roe-v-wade-clarence-thomas-contraception-same-sex-marriage-sodomy

After Roe v. Wade ruling, Texas AG Ken Paxton say he would defend reinstating state's sodomy law

https://www.sacurrent.com/news/after-roe-v-wade-ruling-texas-ag-ken-paxton-say-he-would-defend-reinstating-states-sodomy-law-29249154

https://www.aclu.org/other/update-status-sodomy-lawshttps://www.newsmax.com/us/pope-francis-abortion-catholic-church/2022/07/04/id/1077254/

EihTooms

07-05-22, 02:33

Aha! There it is. Nobody is outlawing contraception. We are simply saying that the taxpayer should not be on the hook for it. If sluts want to fuck around, they pay for their own contraception.

Of course most democrats consider that the same as banning it, because they owe their very existence to the government teat, be it gibsmedat welfare or useless make work govt jobs.Yeah. Again, that was an early step in the Repub March toward repealing Roe v Wade.

A lot of dangerously short memories here I see. Cognitive Impairment.

EihTooms

07-05-22, 02:42

https://www.newsmax.com/us/pope-francis-abortion-catholic-church/2022/07/04/id/1077254/Sure, if by "hiring a hit man" he means reducing the number of little unwanted boys his club's members can get their hands on to groom for "our special blessed secret" choir practice.

MarquisdeSade1

07-05-22, 03:59

Jeez, cupcake, are you Elvis the MD in disguise?

Ventilators killed everyone who was put on them? Really? Did your brain ever think that only the very serious COVID cases were put on ventilators? No, you probably didn't. Why not say that chemo and radiation kills everybody who gets that treatment. Because, after all, everybody who has cancer eventually dies, right?

People who think like you are the reason why the US is in such bad shape. Everything is a conspiracy. All doctors, lawyers, journalists, environmentalists, etc. Have all ganged up on the Mango Mussolini and his brain-dead cultists. When the cult looks at a group of people marching somewhere and one person is out-of-step with the rest, the cult claims that everybody else is out-of-step with him.

Oh, yes, and let's not forget the "fake news media". The tRUMP cultists don't know that the leaders in Germany from 1933 to 1945 called the press "fake news" too. Probably because it takes education to know that and education isn't the strong suit of you cultists.I say thoroughly corrupt.

They are the PR arms of Wall street and the DNC emulating Pravda, I say "shut it all down".

https://www.foxnews.com/media/hunter-biden-media-wrong-ron-johnson

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-ron-johnson-says-there-was-total-corruption-in-transition-between-obama-and-trump-administrations

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/ron-johnson-hunter-biden-burisma/2022/03/22/id/1062442/

Chris P

07-05-22, 04:13

Not even 50% in one state not even Delaware LOL.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/04/poll-joe-bidens-job-approval-underwater-48-states-30-overall/

The loons on this thread are like Paulie the pipe rider, she says she writes in comment sections on conservative media websites?

Seriously? What kinda loser does that? Well that's what kind of fools you're arguing with.Biden's approval ratings are lower than Trump's despite the entire mainstream fake news media literally promoting him, memory holing his gaffes where he collapses on steps / falls off bikes / shits himself / forgets where he is / humiliates America against a bunch of goatherds in Afghanistan / gets inflation up past 10% and gas past $7 / opens the border to illegals (with full welfare gibs) / and much more.

If the media were even-handed, it wouldn't even be close. Which, of course, is why they have to be so egregiously biased. Fortunately, the effect of their lies is wearing thinner every day.

Chris P

07-05-22, 04:25

Chris P

07-05-22, 04:34

The three Justices appointed by Donald Trump all "lied" during their confirmation hearings.No, they didn't. But who did lie, on a more important and indeed existential matter for the country, were Senator Edward Kennedy and his cohorts who sponsored the 1965 Immigration Act. They assured the American people that the Act would not change the demographics of the nation. That was a flat-out lie, as we can now see.

Sadly they are mostly dead so cannot be tried and executed for treason, though I wouldn't be opposed to digging up their corpses to hang them. More importantly, the effects of these lies must be reversed, and the demographics of the country returned to the state that they promised it would remain, IE the mid 20th Century when America was still Great.

Elvis 2008

07-05-22, 07:31

Superb discussion on Sweden and COVID here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xp7_o9QGzzAGood link JustTK. It was good to go back and listen to someone as rational as this. I cannot believe Fauci is still in his current position.

All this crap about how the other Scandinavian countries were doing so much better than Sweden is hilarious when they had pretty much the same policies as Sweden did. That pretty much blows the dumb Dem narrative to shit.

PVMonger

07-05-22, 14:50

LOL. Completely wrong and Chris is totally right. The problem with Covid was low oxygen not ventilation / high carbon dioxide. The thought process was that you put the really sick ones on ventilators because it is "doing something". It was hard to criticize a doctor putting someone on a ventilator who was breathing quickly and oxygen levels were down. It was pretty evident though that almost everyone put on them died. Instead, positive pressure was used and higher levels of oxygen were used, and people did much better.

So yeah, really sick people were put on ventilators, and it was observed that most died. Cuomo's call for thousands of ventilators like the lockdowns, hysteria about the vaccines, washing hands, social distancing, and masks were all shown later to either have done nothing or been harmful. That you do not see that is not a surprise. You masturbate to the government narrative."The problem with Covid was low oxygen not ventilation / high carbon dioxide.".

The purpose of a ventilator is to pump oxygen into the body. Web MD says: "A ventilator mechanically helps pump oxygen into your body. " https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-ventilators#text=Continued, do%20 it%20 on%20 your%20 own. Many other medical publications say the same thing. But when you believe that Chinese thermostats changed votes or that Italian satellites changed or that the Army took over the airports during the Revolutionary War, it is obvious that you are a clown.

And then there's this: "Cuomo's call for thousands of ventilators like the lockdowns, hysteria about the vaccines, washing hands, social distancing, and masks were all shown later to either have done nothing or been harmful..

Our resident "I only pretend to be a doctor on ISG" seems to forget (but in reality he never really knew) that in the early days of COVID (which was a "novel" - meaning new - coronavirus) doctors had to rely on what they knew about prior coronaviruses. And what they knew was that prior coronaviruses spread by touching a contaminated surface and then touching your face. Therefore, since prior coronavirus outbreaks were not airborne, they advocated for disinfecting surfaces, disinfecting the surfaces of groceries, for washing your hands after touching a potentially infected surface, never touching your face and things like that. Because those measures work on a coronavirus that behaves as medical professionals thought it would. I clearly remember watching a video early on in the pandemic about how you were supposed to wipe down groceries. It wasn't the video that followed but any sane person can get the idea. And note the April 3, 2020 date of the article. https://edition.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/04/03/sanjay-gupta-wiping-cleaning-groceries-demo-town-hall-vpx.cnn.

Medical professionals didn't advocate for masks since prior coronaviruses were not airborne. They didn't advocate for social distancing because prior coronavirus outbreaks weren't airborne. As it turned out, though, what doctors knew about prior coronavirus behavior was completely wrong re: COVID. And this is how we got to various idiots claiming all of the preventive measures were wrong.

Sheesh.

MarquisdeSade1

07-05-22, 15:36

PVMonger

07-05-22, 16:03

No, they didn't. But who did lie, on a more important and indeed existential matter for the country, were Senator Edward Kennedy and his cohorts who sponsored the 1965 Immigration Act. They assured the American people that the Act would not change the demographics of the nation. That was a flat-out lie, as we can now see.

Sadly they are mostly dead so cannot be tried and executed for treason, though I wouldn't be opposed to digging up their corpses to hang them. More importantly, the effects of these lies must be reversed, and the demographics of the country returned to the state that they promised it would remain, IE the mid 20th Century when America was still Great.All of Donnie the Dumbass' three SCOTUS nominees said something to the effect of "Roe is settled law and precedent and therefore should not be overturned. " How anybody with a brain (which leaves you out, cupcake) can say "they didn't lie" with a straight face is daft.

Then, of course, there's this bigoted comment." The demographics of the country returned to the state that they promised it would remain, IE the mid 20th Century when America was still Great. " Why not just put on your KKK hood and be done with it.

MarquisdeSade1

07-05-22, 16:24

Sure, if by "hiring a hit man" he means reducing the number of little unwanted boys his club's members can get their hands on to groom for "our special blessed secret" choir practice.https://www.aol.com/news/bette-midler-called-tweeting-antitrans-005003012.html

DramaFree11

07-05-22, 16:35

Biden's approval ratings are lower than Trump's despite the entire mainstream fake news media literally promoting him, memory holing his gaffes where he collapses on steps / falls off bikes / shits himself / forgets where he is / humiliates America against a bunch of goatherds in Afghanistan / gets inflation up past 10% and gas past $7 / opens the border to illegals (with full welfare gibs) / and much more.

If the media were even-handed, it wouldn't even be close. Which, of course, is why they have to be so egregiously biased. Fortunately, the effect of their lies is wearing thinner every day.Take Trump out if the picture, and Biden polls are in the high teen's at best. It is over for the Dem. 's.

DramaFree11

07-05-22, 16:37

Good link JustTK. It was good to go back and listen to someone as rational as this. I cannot believe Fauci is still in his current position.

All this crap about how the other Scandinavian countries were doing so much better than Sweden is hilarious when they had pretty much the same policies as Sweden did. That pretty much blows the dumb Dem narrative to shit.Trump biggest mistake was not firing Fauci day one. If he had his way we would still be in Lockdown. The combination of Fauci and Bidden is killing the economy.

Gino02

07-05-22, 17:01

Well stated!

post script I vote to finish the WALL and deport every single illegal alien

including those already in the cemeteries!!Exactly! This needs to happen if we want America to be back to it's glory days. Not with this joke we have now:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CfmKQQvgBxP/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

JustTK

07-05-22, 18:21

As for why leftists lie, for the ones at the top it is because they have a lot to gain from their lies.Which leftists do you refer to?

And why do you think leftists, and only leftists, would experience some particular impulse that would make them lie? Or are you just gaslighting?

JustTK

07-05-22, 18:27

All this crap about how the other Scandinavian countries were doing so much better than Sweden is hilarious when they had pretty much the same policies as Sweden did. That pretty much blows the dumb Dem narrative to shit.Right. It's a classic case of cherry-pickimg. "I hold this view. Right, let's look for some stats that support it. Ah. Sweden!" . We can all play that game.

Villainy

07-05-22, 19:19

This is why the great Rush Limbaugh termed them "the drive-by media". They create destruction, havoc and pain with their lies, then they just film it and drive by, onto their next victims.Wasn't that quote from the "great Rush Limbaugh" when he was addicted to pain-killers?

Elvis 2008

07-05-22, 20:24

"The problem with Covid was low oxygen not ventilation / high carbon dioxide.".

The purpose of a ventilator is to pump oxygen into the body. Web MD says: "A ventilator mechanically helps pump oxygen into your body. " https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-ventilators#text=Continued, do%20 it%20 on%20 your%20 own.

Sheesh.Yeah, and this is why fools like you should not be quoting anything medical.

https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/ventilator-use-older-coronavirus-patients.html

A study published this week in The Lancet showed a high mortality rate described to the media as "horrific" by the study authors among older patients, particularly those with underlying conditions. The study itself looked at critically ill patients with a median age of 62 who were treated at two New York City hospitals in March and April. Looking at those over age 80 who were put on a ventilator, the authors found that more than 80 percent did not survive. By comparison, no patients under the age of 30 died at the two hospitals, and only a small number in that age group had to be put on ventilators.

In April, another study published in the medical journal JAMA looked at the outcomes of 5,700 patients hospitalized for COVID-19 in the New York area, finding that only 3. 3 percent of 1,151 patients who required ventilation had been discharged alive as of April 4, with almost a quarter dying and 72 percent remaining in the hospital. This is a significantly higher death rate than what's usually seen for patients put on ventilators for other reasons in the past, such as bacterial pneumonia or collapsed lungs.

And this is why you and V are so stupid. You guys claimed ventilators are good when they in fact were killing people right and left. Cuomo says that he needed 30,000 ventilators, and you just assumed they were needed. Truth is they were not needed and we wasted all that money on ventilators that were put in mothballs but hey for you dumb Dems, that was "doing something". And you both stupidly focused on oxygen like doctors did early on.

The main reason people with COVID-19 have required ventilators is that they developed a condition known as acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), inflammation in the lungs that makes it extremely difficult to breathe. But there's a specific subgroup of patients known as "happy hypoxics" who may have different needs.

These are people who show up in the emergency room with terrible oxygen levels, whose X-rays reveal severe pneumonia, but are still able to talk and whose only real complaint is some shortness of breath," she explains. For these patients, although their vital signs indicate they should be on a ventilator.

Instead, doctors now try giving these patients less invasive treatments, such as very high doses of supplemental oxygen, either through a continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP) machine, the same machine used to treat sleep apnea, or through a supercharged oxygen system known as a high-flow nasal cannula (HFNC).

A paper published on April 22 in the journal Academic Emergency Medicine found that when hypoxic patients were given these types of supplemental oxygen and positioned flat on their bellies, only about a quarter ended up requiring ventilation. Kaplan says this approach not only appears to improve patient outcomes, but has also prevented the overuse of ventilators, averting the ventilator shortage physicians had originally feared.

End of link. What the article has wrong is that there were not just a "subgroup" of happy hypoxics but all patients with Covid, and putting 25% of patients of hypoxic Covid patients on a ventilator did not happen in the future as doctors got more comfortable watching these patients. Subjectively, it was when patients said they doctors considered ventilators. And objectively, elevated carbon dioxide in the blood was a marker that someone was with impending respiratory failure and was likely needed to be put on a ventilator.

Putting a hypoxic Covid patient on a ventilator solely for "pumping oxygen into the body" was committing malpractice. Period.

OTOH, if you and Viliany have low oxygen levels and Covid, by all means tell the doctors how smart you are and request to be put on a ventilator. Just tell me before hand so I can buy a life insurance policy and cash in on your demise.

I get what you are saying sounds good and makes sense, but it is totally, totally, totally wrong.

PVMonger

07-05-22, 20:55

No, they didn't. But who did lie, on a more important and indeed existential matter for the country, were Senator Edward Kennedy and his cohorts who sponsored the 1965 Immigration Act. They assured the American people that the Act would not change the demographics of the nation. That was a flat-out lie, as we can now see.

Sadly they are mostly dead so cannot be tried and executed for treason, though I wouldn't be opposed to digging up their corpses to hang them. More importantly, the effects of these lies must be reversed, and the demographics of the country returned to the state that they promised it would remain, IE the mid 20th Century when America was still Great.Every one of the so-called SCOTUS "justices" nominated by the one-term, twice-impeached, POtuS when questioned about Roe v. Wade said something to the effect of "Roe is settled law. Roe is also precedent and should not be overturned. " In what world is that not a lie? I guess it isn't a lie in tRUMPworld where lies are "alternative facts."

And the rest of your bigoted rant? Why don't you just put on your KKK hood and be done with it.

Chris P

07-05-22, 23:02

Which leftists do you refer to?

And why do you think leftists, and only leftists, would experience some particular impulse that would make them lie? Or are you just gaslighting?To use an example from a recent post, Ted Kennedy. No, not Chappaquiddick, where the motive for his lies were more obvious, but the 1965 Immigration Act. He promised the American people that it would not change the demographics of the country, despite knowing that it would, and it was the beginning of the Great Replacement that we are seeing now.

He and other leading leftists lie because they know that the majority of people do not want to be part of their vision. Open borders; mass third world immigration; homosexuals performing sex acts upon each other in public parades; child trannies; anti-white quotas and discrimination; fourth wave feminism; and "hate speech" laws to imprison anyone who criticizes it. All these and more form the core of the vision of left that many are calling Globohomo.

The right, by contrast, simply wants to maintain the basic values and population that built and made America great in the first two centuries of its existence. Not much need to lie about anything, because that is what most regular people want too.

MarquisdeSade1

07-05-22, 23:39

https://www.rt.com/news/558433-amlo-backs-assange-liberty-biden/

EihTooms

07-06-22, 02:11

Biden's approval ratings are lower than Trump's despite the entire mainstream fake news media literally promoting him, memory holing his gaffes where he collapses on steps / falls off bikes / shits himself / forgets where he is / humiliates America against a bunch of goatherds in Afghanistan / gets inflation up past 10% and gas past $7 / opens the border to illegals (with full welfare gibs) / and much more.

If the media were even-handed, it wouldn't even be close. Which, of course, is why they have to be so egregiously biased. Fortunately, the effect of their lies is wearing thinner every day.Yeah, even I like Trump better out of office, incapable of promoting and passing any legislation, facing potential criminal indictment and so on.

However, among the actual leadership and entities elected to clean up the colossal across-the-board mess Trump made of everything and left behind, Biden is still approved and favored highest.

EihTooms

07-06-22, 02:37

Take Trump out if the picture, and Biden polls are in the high teen's at best. It is over for the Dem. 's.The demonstrably Repub-leaning RealClearPolitics' Generic Midterm Ballot poll of polls now has Repubs with only a statistically insignificant 2 point lead over Dems with a typical MoE+/- 3. 5 points:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2022-generic-congressional-vote-7361.html

The more poll-inclusive FiveThirtyEight site Generic Midterm Ballot poll of polls now has Repubs with only a 1. 6 point lead:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/

I'm sure the trend is frighteningly obvious to Moscow Mitch and Spineless Kevin.

With the Party not in the White House winning seats in 37 of the past 40 midterms since the Civil War, Repubs are struggling to make a case for why on earth anyone would want to vote for them this year.

MarquisdeSade1

07-06-22, 03:22

To use an example from a recent post, Ted Kennedy. No, not Chappaquiddick, where the motive for his lies were more obvious, but the 1965 Immigration Act. He promised the American people that it would not change the demographics of the country, despite knowing that it would, and it was the beginning of the Great Replacement that we are seeing now.

He and other leading leftists lie because they know that the majority of people do not want to be part of their vision. Open borders; mass third world immigration; homosexuals performing sex acts upon each other in public parades; child trannies; anti-white quotas and discrimination; fourth wave feminism; and "hate speech" laws to imprison anyone who criticizes it. All these and more form the core of the vision of left that many are calling Globohomo.

The right, by contrast, simply wants to maintain the basic values and population that built and made America great in the first two centuries of its existence. Not much need to lie about anything, because that is what most regular people want too.https://stormer-daily.rw/texas-counties-to-declare-state-of-emergency-over-border-invasion/

Xpartan

07-06-22, 04:48

The demonstrably Repub-leaning RealClearPolitics' Generic Midterm Ballot poll of polls now has Repubs with only a statistically insignificant 2 point lead over Dems with a typical MoE+/- 3. 5 points:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2022-generic-congressional-vote-7361.html

The more poll-inclusive FiveThirtyEight site Generic Midterm Ballot poll of polls now has Repubs with only a 1. 6 point lead:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/

I'm sure the trend is frighteningly obvious to Moscow Mitch and Spineless Kevin.

With the Party not in the White House winning seats in 37 of the past 40 midterms since the Civil War, Repubs are struggling to make a case for why on earth anyone would want to vote for them this year.Look, reports from reputable media and honest journalists indicate there is nothing short of a clusterfuck in the White House right now. I wish I could share your optimism, but I don't. I know crackpots will be happy with this admission, but hey, they have all the rights to be happy anyway, as they obviously stand to win big this fall.

There is an incredible SCOTUS assault campaign on the very basic constitutional rights going on right now, and it shows no signs of slowing down. And Biden's way of dealing with this ongoing catastrophe is doing nothing.

By overturning the abortion-rights decision Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Courts conservative majority has added fuel to calls among some Democrats to change the court itself. Some want President Joe Biden to pursue the idea of expanding, or packing, the court beyond its current nine seats. Others would replace the life tenure of Supreme Court justices with fixed terms to guarantee each president has equal opportunity to shape its makeup. In December, a commission appointed by Biden reported back on these ideas, among others. By all indications, Biden seems unenthusiastic about pursuing such radical steps.

In 2020, while a candidate for president, he ruled out term limits for justices, saying, Its a lifetime appointment. Im not going to attempt to change that at all. He also said hes not a fan of court-packing, which years ago he dismissed as a bonehead idea. To Americans angry about the Supreme Courts composition and rulings, Bidens response has been that they should elect more Democrats to Congress.https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/bidens-thorny-options-for-changing-the-supreme-court/2022/06/28/a1b8598a-f6ff-11ec-81db-ac07a394a86b_story.html

Seriously? Who the fuck is going to elect whiny bitches who aren't even trying to fight back?

Pack the courts. It's easy and can be done. Just kill the filibuster. Kill the filibuster for one particular vote. There is a short window of opportunity that will close in November, probably for at least another decade.

Something needs to be done, because this ain't a judicial branch anymore. It's a right-wing All Terrain Attack Vehicle.

Do you believe for one second that if the situation was reversed and republicans were in power, they would hesitate for one second?

But let's forget the sneaky SCOTUS for a moment. There is an even bigger issuer.

Biden has done a lot of good things in the last two years, but he's a tired old man who doesn't seem to have any fight left in him. It's time to retire and give the reigns to Kamala so she at least has a fighting chance in 2 years. He's not going to be any younger in 2024.

And DeSantis will be more dangerous than Trump ever was. He's a smart Trump. He's capable of causing much more damage than the Red Menace.

EihTooms

07-06-22, 06:50

EihTooms

07-06-22, 07:22

Look, reports from reputable media and honest journalists indicate there is nothing short of a clusterfuck in the White House right now. I wish I could share your optimism, but I don't. I know crackpots will be happy with this admission, but hey, they have all the rights to be happy anyway, as they obviously stand to win big this fall.

There is an incredible SCOTUS assault campaign on the very basic constitutional rights going on right now, and it shows no signs of slowing down. And Biden's way of dealing with this ongoing catastrophe is doing nothing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/bidens-thorny-options-for-changing-the-supreme-court/2022/06/28/a1b8598a-f6ff-11ec-81db-ac07a394a86b_story.html

Seriously? Who the fuck is going to elect whiny bitches who aren't even trying to fight back?

Pack the courts. It's easy and can be done. Just kill the filibuster. Kill the filibuster for one particular vote. There is a short window of opportunity that will close in November, probably for at least another decade.

Something needs to be done, because this ain't a judicial branch anymore. It's a right-wing All Terrain Attack Vehicle.

Do you believe for one second that if the situation was reversed and republicans were in power, they would hesitate for one second?

But let's forget the sneaky SCOTUS for a moment. There is an even bigger issuer.

Biden has done a lot of good things in the last two years, but he's a tired old man who doesn't seem to have any fight left in him. It's time to retire and give the reigns to Kamala so she at least has a fighting chance in 2 years. He's not going to be any younger in 2024.

And DeSantis will be more dangerous than Trump ever was. He's a smart Trump. He's capable of causing much more damage than the Red Menace.If a crooked, unprincipled, America-hating "fighter" Repub so-called potus could have done what you think Biden is too weak and old to do, Trump would have saved time, not waited for a SCOTUS justice to die and would have DONE it.

But he didn't because he couldn't.

Not even the craftiest, most highly motivated and determined America-hating Repub Senator of all time, Mitch McConnell, could get the SCOTUS packed the way you and some "whiny" joutnalists expect Biden to do if he had another America-hating Repub in the White House and only 48 America-hating Repub Senate seats.

Considering Biden's connection and knowledge of the Senate, he probably knows better than any POTUS since LBJ who and where he has any chance of votes on both sides of the aisle to get anything done, which battles can be won and which battles will just go down in counterproductive defeat.

The last thing I'd want the only people standing between America and Trumpistan to do is listen to the opinion and advice of typically pro Repub Mainstream Media journalists and pundits for anything.

You want the country run by America-hating "fighters" whose overall results throughout most of their entire existence have been, not surprisingly, the absolute worst of all time, by all means don't vote for Dems. Vote for Repubs.

That's what the Repub Party is there for.

PVMonger

07-06-22, 14:33

Yeah, and this is why fools like you should not be quoting anything medical.

https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/ventilator-use-older-coronavirus-patients.html

A study published this week in The Lancet showed a high mortality rate described to the media as "horrific" by the study authors among older patients, particularly those with underlying conditions. The study itself looked at critically ill patients with a median age of 62 who were treated at two New York City hospitals in March and April. Looking at those over age 80 who were put on a ventilator, the authors found that more than 80 percent did not survive. By comparison, no patients under the age of 30 died at the two hospitals, and only a small number in that age group had to be put on ventilators.

In April, another study published in the medical journal JAMA looked at the outcomes of 5,700 patients hospitalized for COVID-19 in the New York area, finding that only 3. 3 percent of 1,151 patients who required ventilation had been discharged alive as of April 4, with almost a quarter dying and 72 percent remaining in the hospital. This is a significantly higher death rate than what's usually seen for patients put on ventilators for other reasons in the past, such as bacterial pneumonia or collapsed lungs.

And this is why you and V are so stupid. You guys claimed ventilators are good when they in fact were killing people right and left. Cuomo says that he needed 30,000 ventilators, and you just assumed they were needed. Truth is they were not needed and we wasted all that money on ventilators that were put in mothballs but hey for you dumb Dems, that was "doing something". And you both stupidly focused on oxygen like doctors did early on.

The main reason people with COVID-19 have required ventilators is that they developed a condition known as acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), inflammation in the lungs that makes it extremely difficult to breathe. But there's a specific subgroup of patients known as "happy hypoxics" who may have different You were the person who said that the problem with COVID was low oxygen, not ventilation. Ventilators pump oxygen into the body. If the body needs oxygen (in other words, the person needs help breathing) you put them on a ventilator in order to provide more oxygen. Ventilators do not "ventilate" the body like by poking holes in it.

Now you are using recent studies to say that what doctors did two years ago was the wrong approach. Wow. Or that 80-year-old people required ventilators and lots of them died and 30-year-old people didn't require ventilators and they lived. Another classic Elvis post hoc ergo propter hoc argument. That's why you shouldn't post about anything medical. Your analysis is similar to "I ate Wheaties instead of Corn Flakes for breakfast yesterday and later in the day I wrecked by car. So Wheaties caused me to wreck my car".

The fact that doctors now know more is what science is. When you know more, you make changes to your approach. But anti-science RethugliKKKans don't see it that way because they take the "a broken clock is right twice a day" approach. Your approach is "Let's blame doctors for the approach they took two years ago because they know more now. ".

If you were smarter, you'd be Trump

PVMonger

07-06-22, 14:34

DINO wingers Manchin and Sinema are not in the White House.

Please explain how Joe Biden or anyone else in the WH does what you suggest with 48 Senate votes.RethugliKKKans are in love with the math that says that 48 is greater than 60.

MarquisdeSade1

07-06-22, 15:07

If a crooked, unprincipled, America-hating "fighter" Repub so-called potus could have done what you think Biden is too weak and old to do, Trump would have saved time, not waited for a SCOTUS justice to die and would have DONE it.

But he didn't because he couldn't.

Not even the craftiest, most highly motivated and determined America-hating Repub Senator of all time, Mitch McConnell, could get the SCOTUS packed the way you and some "whiny" joutnalists expect Biden to do if he had another America-hating Repub in the White House and only 48 America-hating Repub Senate seats.

Considering Biden's connection and knowledge of the Senate, he probably knows better than any POTUS since LBJ who and where he has any chance of votes on both sides of the aisle to get anything done, which battles can be won and which battles will just go down in counterproductive defeat.

The last thing I'd want the only people standing between America and Trumpistan to do is listen to the opinion and advice of typically pro Repub Mainstream Media journalists and pundits for anything.

You want the country run by America-hating "fighters" whose overall results throughout most of their entire existence have been, not surprisingly, the absolute worst of all time, by all means don't vote for Dems. Vote for Repubs.

That's what the Repub Party is there for.https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2022/07/05/survey-trust-establishment-media-sinks-disproved-narratives/

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2022/06/24/nolte-survey-shows-america-has-least-trusted-media-on-planet-earth/

JustTK

07-06-22, 15:49

To use an example from a recent post, Ted Kennedy. the 1965 Immigration Act. He promised the American people that it would not change the demographics of the country, despite knowing that it would, and it was the beginning of the Great Replacement that we are seeing now.
He and other leading leftists lie because they know that the majority of people do not want to be part of their vision. Open borders; mass third world immigration; homosexuals performing sex acts upon each other in public parades; child trannies; anti-white quotas and discrimination; fourth wave feminism; and "hate speech" laws.
The right, by contrast, simply wants to maintain the basic values and population that built and made America great in the first two centuries of its existence. Not much need to lie about anything, because that is what most regular people want too.I am not sure who Ted Kennedy was. I will take it as correct that he was / is a leftist. I will also accept that he lied. But what I cannot accept is that "this is the reason leftists lie". I say that bcos we all know that right wingers lie for similar reasons too. So it is not a case of a 'reason why leftists lie', it is why all politicians lie. So that to me is gaslighting. Creating a false dialogue to blame and create anger at leftists.

The policies you mention. Unfotunately I do not know many people at all who are for open borders. Left or right. And the other policies. Well, there is a wide range there. I am not sure if they would be left or right wing policies. BUt I do get your last comment, about wanting to marginalise and oppress minorities. It is a common theme when one's own policy preferences lead to outcomes that are self-defeating, to look to strike out and blame the innocent minorities. So an example. Right wingers want free trade, lower state interference. That leads to replacing replacing higher paid labour with cheap foriegn labour. So then they decide they no longer want free trade, now they want protection from immigrants. They look back to "the golden years" when free migration allowed their ancestors an opportunity at a better life, when they could exploit and oppress other minorities of that time. But now they want to change the laws again and deny others those same opportunities.

This short video explains it very well. The bigotry, selfishness and hate encompassed in the Great Replacement Theory. Why facism is riising again among the among ignorant racists. Take a look. Its quite interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzR8aoDQ8W8

EihTooms

07-06-22, 18:49

Now the demonstrably Repub-leaning RealClearPolitics' Generic Ballot Midterm Election poll of polls shows a scant 1. 3 percentage point advantage for Repubs with a normal MoE+/- being about 3. 5 points. That's down from something like 10+ points not long ago.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2022-generic-congressional-vote-7361.html

Yes, we all know Dems could have as much as a 5 percentage point lead over Repubs in these polls and still lose a few seats in Congress thanks to the extreme gerrymandering / cheating done by the Repubs and Trump's America-hating unprecedented manipulatIon of the recent census count.

Yes, we all know Repubs have spent the last 2-3 years installing America-hating, election-denying QAnon loons in state and local ballot-collecting and vote-counting positions, proudly poised to throw out and not count how ever many likely Dem ballots and Dem votes to make sure their beloved Repubs win no matter what so they can get back to their Party's primary mission to shit on America, destroy its economy and wipe out millions of jobs.

Yes, we all know with the Party not occupying the White House winning Congressional seats in 37 of the 40 midterms since the Civil War, all the Repubs need to do is sit down and STFU for the next few months and they'll probably come up "winners" this time around with no cheating, no "murderous caravan heading for our border" tales, no "CRT" nonsense, no "wokeism" junk, no fabricated "defund the police" crap, etc required.

But with Oil / Brent prices falling 15-20% in just this past month, the electorate's attention therefore shifting a bit to the aforementioned by others existential threat, clear and present danger to American Democracy posed by the Repub Party, all coincident to the tightening of those Generic Ballot Poll numbers, Repubs now might actually have to put in some rare and uncharacteristic work trying to explain just why on earth anyone not an America-hating QAnon loon should vote for them in November.

Chris P

07-06-22, 20:36

Yeah, and this is why fools like you should not be quoting anything medical.

https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/ventilator-use-older-coronavirus-patients.html

A study published this week in The Lancet showed a high mortality rate described to the media as "horrific" by the study authors among older patients, particularly those with underlying conditions. The study itself looked at critically ill patients with a median age of 62 who were treated at two New York City hospitals in March and April. Looking at those over age 80 who were put on a ventilator, the authors found that more than 80 percent did not survive. By comparison, no patients under the age of 30 died at the two hospitals, and only a small number in that age group had to be put on ventilators.

In April, another study published in the medical journal JAMA looked at the outcomes of 5,700 patients hospitalized for COVID-19 in the New York area, finding that only 3. 3 percent of 1,151 patients who required ventilation had been discharged alive as of April 4, with almost a quarter dying and 72 percent remaining in the hospital. This is a significantly higher death rate than what's usually seen for patients put on ventilators for other reasons in the past, such as bacterial pneumonia or collapsed lungs.

And this is why you and V are so stupid. You guys claimed ventilators are good when they in fact were killing people right and left. Cuomo says that he needed 30,000 ventilators, and you just assumed they were needed. Truth is they were not needed and we wasted all that money on ventilators that were put in mothballs but hey for you dumb Dems, that was "doing something". And you both stupidly focused on oxygen like doctors did early on.

The main reason people with COVID-19 have required ventilators is that they developed a condition known as acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), inflammation in the lungs that makes it extremely difficult to breathe. But there's a specific subgroup of patients known as "happy hypoxics" who may have different needs.

These are people who show up in the emergency room with terrible oxygen levels, whose X-rays reveal severe pneumonia, but are still able to talk and whose only real complaint is some shortness of breath," she explains. For these patients, although their vital signs indicate they should be on a ventilator.

Instead, doctors now try giving these patients less invasive treatments, such as very high doses of supplemental oxygen, either through a continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP) machine, the same machine used to treat sleep apnea, or through a supercharged oxygen system known as a high-flow nasal cannula (HFNC).

A paper published on April 22 in the journal Academic Emergency Medicine found that when hypoxic patients were given these types of supplemental oxygen and positioned flat on their bellies, only about a quarter ended up requiring ventilation. Kaplan says this approach not only appears to improve patient outcomes, but has also prevented the overuse of ventilators, averting the ventilator shortage physicians had originally feared.

End of link. What the article has wrong is that there were not just a "subgroup" of happy hypoxics but all patients with Covid, and putting 25% of patients of hypoxic Covid patients on a ventilator did not happen in the future as doctors got more comfortable watching these patients. Subjectively, it was when patients said they doctors considered ventilators. And objectively, elevated carbon dioxide in the blood was a marker that someone was with impending respiratory failure and was likely needed to be put on a ventilator.

Putting a hypoxic Covid patient on a ventilator solely for "pumping oxygen into the body" was committing malpractice. Period.

OTOH, if you and Viliany have low oxygen levels and Covid, by all means tell the doctors how smart you are and request to be put on a ventilator. Just tell me before hand so I can buy a life insurance policy and cash in on your demise.

I get what you are saying sounds good and makes sense, but it is totally, totally, totally wrong.Excellent forensic rebuttal of the wacko leftists and their CNN talking points. Probably won't make a dent in their dense, indoctrinated skulls, but many others have learned something of value. Thanks.

Chris P

07-06-22, 20:45

reputable media and honest journalists ROFL.

As for SCOTUS, even Ruth Bader Ginsburg acknowledged that Roe v Wade was bullshit and there was no Constitutional right to have an abortion.

Of course you wacko leftists didn't mind them making other bullshit decisions like declaring in opposition to the entirety of human history and nature that two fags could get "married". But now that the court has moved back to sensible, Constituional decisions, you're having meltdowns and threatening the Justices. LOL.

P.S. Imagine being a wacko leftist and calling someone else a "Red Menace".

Gino02

07-06-22, 20:57

Biden Is Now Polling Worse Than Trump Was at the Same Point in His Presidency.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/07/bidens-popularity-now-well-below-trumps-in-2018.html

Interesting article with a potential to bring some logic to the minds of "experts" on this thread. Happy reading guys.

Gino02

07-06-22, 21:08

Chris P

07-06-22, 21:19

I am not sure who Ted Kennedy was. I will take it as correct that he was / is a leftist. I will also accept that he lied. But what I cannot accept is that "this is the reason leftists lie". I say that bcos we all know that right wingers lie for similar reasons too. So it is not a case of a 'reason why leftists lie', it is why all politicians lie. So that to me is gaslighting. Creating a false dialogue to blame and create anger at leftists.

The policies you mention. Unfotunately I do not know many people at all who are for open borders. Left or right. And the other policies. Well, there is a wide range there. I am not sure if they would be left or right wing policies. BUt I do get your last comment, about wanting to marginalise and oppress minorities. It is a common theme when one's own policy preferences lead to outcomes that are self-defeating, to look to strike out and blame the innocent minorities. So an example. Right wingers want free trade, lower state interference. That leads to replacing replacing higher paid labour with cheap foriegn labour. So then they decide they no longer want free trade, now they want protection from immigrants. They look back to "the golden years" when free migration allowed their ancestors an opportunity at a better life, when they could exploit and oppress other minorities of that time. But now they want to change the laws again and deny others those same opportunities.
You really don't know who Ted Kennedy was? That indicates you're not very knowledgeable or well-educated, and perhaps unqualified for these kind of debates.

But to answer your post, you say "I do not know many people who are for open borders, left or right". Well exactly!

Hardly any Americans want open borders, but the leftist govt / media leadership (and to be fair, many RINOs as well, who are perhaps an even greater problem than the leftists) does, for a variety of reasons (cheap labor, undermine solidarity among (and unltimately replace) heritage Americans, become a permanent dependent underclass allowing the deep state to grow, etc).

So you have a situation where the likes of Sleepy Joe, Heels Up Harris, Cryin' Chuck Schumer, Crazy Nancy Pelosi, plus various fake news "journalists" will look directly into the camera and lie that the border is secure, when they know full well it is wide open and useless, low IQ turd world refuse with no skills or even English language, are streaming across by the millions into a life of welfare handouts, govt-provided legal aid, and anchor babies.

(And they really are garbage: the only people that want to make the dangerous illegal trek north are the worthless underclass who are too stupid and generally useless to get along in their own countries. It is not middle class Guatemalans, Salvadorans, Somalians, whoever, that are coming. It is high school dropouts, criminals, gang members. So if the average IQ of a 3rd world country is, say, 85, the average IQ of the illegals from that country will be significantly lower.

As a great man once said: "They're not sending their best".).

But I digress. You go on: "So an example. Right wingers want free trade, lower state interference. That leads to replacing replacing higher paid labour with cheap foriegn (sic) labour. " Let me stop you right there!

We do indeed want free trade and lower state interference. We do not want mass immigration. There is plenty of labor in America. If there is a shortage, supply and demand will increase wages to the point that there is no longer a shortage. Ordinary Americans will therefore get to benefit materially from the gains of free trade, not just the owners.

That is the model that American followed for most of the 20th Century, when it was at its greatest and wealthiest.

Regarding immigration: a little known fact is that one third of the immigrants who came to America in the 19th Century ended up returning home. That is because there was no welfare state. It was sink or swim, and many sank. Then in the early 20th Century, America ended immigration, and there was zero until the lying traitor Ted Kennedy and his cohorts introduced the 1965 Immigration Act.

It took a few years for that to really kick in, so for the large majority of the 20th Century (America's Greatest century, in which we vastly expanded our wealth and dominated the world) there was no immigration. Not a coincidence.

Nowadays there is far more immigration, of far less capable people from countries with far lower average IQ. Furthermore, there is a vast welfare state or endless gibsmedats of various shades, which is part of the reason why we are $30 trillion in debt.

So no, we don't want "cheap labor" (aka endless welfare handouts), thanks. There never was a period of "free migration". What limited migration there was, was quite stringent, and migrants succeeded on their own or went home. Then at the start of the 20th Century, immigration was ended, and America enjoyed 70 years or enormous prosperity and success. Until the effects of the 1965 Immigration Bill (and other disasters) began to kick in.

We need to return to the successful mid-20th Century model: a stable, homogeneous, united people; free trade and very limited state interference; secure borders and a strong military to defend them. The people brought in under the false pretenses and barefaced lies of the 1965 Immigration Act, in order to engineer the Great Replacement of western people, need to go home.

P.S. The video you attached was by an openly Marxist Jewish college professor. Was it supposed to be a joke?

Chris P

07-06-22, 21:38

Considering Biden's connection and knowledge of the Senate, he probably knows better than any POTUS since LBJ who and where he has any chance of votesLOL. Biden doesn't know what his name is. It takes all his severely limited mental focus to listen and repeat what he hears in his earpiece while simultaneously not pooping his pants, and he fails at that pretty often. Just ask the pope.

Did you see the video a few weeks back of Obama schmoozing the room at the White House while Biden tried in vain to get his (or anyone's) attention before standing looking vacantly at a curtain? Probably not as the fake news obviously wouldn't run it, so here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EALnb5cUAsI.

I'll say one thing for Obama: he is quite charismatic. Back in 2008, before social / alt media and youtube were really a thing, the mainstream media was all that most people saw, and they were absolutely gushing in their praise and promotion of Obama. The fawning interviews, the scanning shots showing huge crowds at Obama rallies (funnily enough they kept their cameras fixed entirely on Trump during his rallies, which were even bigger than Obama's), combined with Obama's own charisma and fluency created a genuine sense of excitement, anticipation, and indeed inspiration. Plus the fact that there was very little opposition media to counter Obama's falsehoods. Which garnered him 69 million votes.

And now we are supposed to believe that Sleepy Joe Biden, who has never inspired anyone to do anything other than leave the room, who spent the entire 2020 campaign locked in the basement failing to understand how Zoom worked, and who faced serious opposition from non-fake news sources that Obama didn't have to contend with, got 81 million votes? 12 million more Americans voted for him than voted for Obama in that historic 2008 election?

LOL.

Chris P

07-06-22, 22:01

ROFL. CNN's ratings the lowest since 1993. MSNBC no better. Wonderful to see the fake news media collapsing under its own lies.

https://www.mediaite.com/daily-ratings/cnn-weekends-dipped-to-a-low-not-seen-since-1993-despite-some-hosts-besting-cnn-prime-time/

MarquisdeSade1

07-07-22, 00:36

MarquisdeSade1

07-07-22, 02:15

You really don't know who Ted Kennedy was? That indicates you're not very knowledgeable or well-educated, and perhaps unqualified for these kind of debates.

But to answer your post, you say "I do not know many people who are for open borders, left or right". Well exactly!

Hardly any Americans want open borders, but the leftist govt / media leadership (and to be fair, many RINOs as well, who are perhaps an even greater problem than the leftists) does, for a variety of reasons (cheap labor, undermine solidarity among (and unltimately replace) heritage Americans, become a permanent dependent underclass allowing the deep state to grow, etc).

So you have a situation where the likes of Sleepy Joe, Heels Up Harris, Cryin' Chuck Schumer, Crazy Nancy Pelosi, plus various fake news "journalists" will look directly into the camera and lie that the border is secure, when they know full well it is wide open and useless, low IQ turd world refuse with no skills or even English language, are streaming across by the millions into a life of welfare handouts, govt-provided legal aid, and anchor babies.

(And they really are garbage: the only people that want to make the dangerous illegal trek north are the worthless underclass who are too stupid and generally useless to get along in their own countries. It is not middle class Guatemalans, Salvadorans, Somalians, whoever, that are coming. It is high school dropouts, criminals, gang members. So if the average IQ of a 3rd world country is, say, 85, the average IQ of the illegals from that country will be significantly lower..https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/06/two-foreign-nationals-arrested-for-july-4th-mass-shooting-plot-in-virginia/

MarquisdeSade1

07-07-22, 02:44

ROFL.

As for SCOTUS, even Ruth Bader Ginsburg acknowledged that Roe v Wade was bullshit and there was no Constitutional right to have an abortion.

Of course you wacko leftists didn't mind them making other bullshit decisions like declaring in opposition to the entirety of human history and nature that two fags could get "married". But now that the court has moved back to sensible, Constituional decisions, you're having meltdowns and threatening the Justices. LOL.

P.S. Imagine being a wacko leftist and calling someone else a "Red Menace".Good ole Ruthie was chatting with some law students on a panel at the University of Chicago law school.

And said Roe was "bad law" and a bad ruling etc etc.

Maybe this is why she wouldn't retire she wanted to take a fall for the dems and let "bad orange man" replace her with the final vote needed to correct the evil of Roe.

I'm guessing her good friend Scalia convinced her whist her was "porking" her with his salami to do just that LMAO.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/ruth-bader-ginsburgs-unexpected-legacy/

Post script.

And don't forget that fool Thurgood LMAO.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/06/10/ruth-bader-ginsburg-retire-legacy-00038638

EihTooms

07-07-22, 04:00

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/07/03/carville-petrified-heading-into-midterms-if-we-dont-have-voter-intervention-i-am-not-optimistic/From your link:

Carville also advised that President Joe Biden and the Democrats would do more to help the black and brown people in America deal with record-high gas and food prices than the Republicans.Hey, no kidding? You mean the only Party that has produced all of the major economic expansions, likely all of the net positive USA jobs creation and none of the Great Depressions / Recessions and massive USA jobs destruction of the past 100 years would do more to help all Americans recover from this latest Great Repub Economic Disaster than the only Party that has produced all of the major economic downturns, massive USA jobs destruction and none of the major economic expansions and USA jobs creation in those same 100 years?

That's the understatement of the Century.

BTW, today the RCP poll of polls' Repub advantage has dropped down to a scant 1. 3 percentage points. I am sure they are scrambling to find a Rassmussen or Trafalgar poll or two out there somewhere to add to their mix to help calm the nerves of their target Repub viewers.

Xpartan

07-07-22, 04:32

DINO wingers Manchin and Sinema are not in the White House.

Please explain how Joe Biden or anyone else in the WH does what you suggest with 48 Senate votes.I wish I could!

But it doesn't help when Biden says nah, I'm not going to pack the court. Because packing the court is the only solution that doesn't require rewriting the Constitution. Or keep doing nothing and see what happens in November.

If a crooked, unprincipled, America-hating "fighter" Repub so-called potus could have done what you think Biden is too weak and old to do, Trump would have saved time, not waited for a SCOTUS justice to die and would have DONE it.

But he didn't because he couldn't.Yes, because they didn't have the majority. But also because they didn't have to. Trump almost effortlessly created the crackpot supermajority in SCOTUS. Why pack the court?

Not even the craftiest, most highly motivated and determined America-hating Repub Senator of all time, Mitch McConnell, could get the SCOTUS packed the way you and some "whiny" joutnalists expect Biden to do if he had another America-hating Repub in the White House and only 48 America-hating Repub Senate seats.Again: they didn't have to pack the court -- the chips just fell their way after the death of Justice Ginsburg.

And today Dems have the WH and the Congress. Try to explain the voters why they couldn't have brought 2 Dems in line to confront the most dangerous judicial activism in the last, I don't know, 100 years?

Considering Biden's connection and knowledge of the Senate, he probably knows better than any POTUS since LBJ who and where he has any chance of votes on both sides of the aisle to get anything done, which battles can be won and which battles will just go down in counterproductive defeat.

The last thing I'd want the only people standing between America and Trumpistan to do is listen to the opinion and advice of typically pro Repub Mainstream Media journalists and pundits for anything.

You want the country run by America-hating "fighters" whose overall results throughout most of their entire existence have been, not surprisingly, the absolute worst of all time, by all means don't vote for Dems. Vote for Repubs.

That's what the Repub Party is there for.LOL, Amicus Plato, sed magis amica veritas.

You're safe with me. I'm a left-leaning centrist. Last time I voted for a Repub was 2001. By then I hadn't yet fully realized that 'party' was pure poison.

Unfortunately, one doesn't have to vote for Repubs. Staying home will have the same effect, and I guarantee you that a lot of independents and even some Democrats won't feel like going out.

EihTooms

07-07-22, 04:39

Democratic criticisms of Biden get louder and broader.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democratic-criticisms-of-biden-get-louder-and-broader/ar-AAZgTMe

- Washington Post.

Even the MSM Washington Post is reporting that Democrats are criticizing Biden, louder and broader. When will the libtard "experts" in this forum learn and change their mind? I predict NEVER.From your link:

"In the view of many distraught Democrats, the country is facing a full-blown crisis on a range of fronts, and Biden seems unable or unwilling to respond with appropriate force. Democracy is under direct attack, they say, as Republicans change election rules and the Supreme Court rapidly rewrites American law. Shooting sprees are routine, abortion rights have ended and Democrats could suffer big losses in the next election, they wrote.Fine. Glad to see that level of panic and concern. I hope that feeling grows even more urgent heading into November.

Considering there is zero legislative fix for any of those things without more Dems in Congress, particularly the Senate, the absolute dumbest and most counterproductive message Biden could send right now is, "We, the Party that has cleaned up and fixed every horrific Republican Party disaster in history can shout and scowl America out of this disastrous Repub mess too! And we can do it even before or instead of you nice folks getting off your butts to vote for us. Yep, we're that good"!

Repubs already have 150+ years of midterm precedence on their side this year. I don't see how making voters think shouting and scowling is the fix for what ails them over actually voting into office more of the problem solvers and fewer of the problem creators will help rather than hurt the Party occupying the White House at this time right along with America in general.

EihTooms

07-07-22, 05:02

I wish I could!

But it doesn't help when Biden says nah, I'm not going to pack the court. Because packing the court is the only solution that doesn't require rewriting the Constitution. Or keep doing nothing and see what happens in November.

Yes, because they didn't have the majority. But also because they didn't have to. Trump almost effortlessly created the crackpot supermajority in SCOTUS. Why pack the court?

Again: they didn't have to pack the court -- the chips just fell their way after the death of Justice Ginsburg.

And today Dems have the WH and the Congress. Try to explain the voters why they couldn't have brought 2 Dems in line to confront the most dangerous judicial activism in the last, I don't know, 100 years?

LOL, Amicus Plato, sed magis amica veritas.

You're safe with me. I'm a left-leaning centrist. Last time I voted for a Repub was 2001. By then I hadn't yet fully realized that 'party' was pure poison.

Unfortunately, one doesn't have to vote for Repubs. Staying home will have the same effect, and I guarantee you that a lot of independents and even some Democrats won't feel like going out.Repubs made dozens of attempts to repeal Obamacare before, during and after Trump. No way Trump could have banked on the death, retirement and Moscow Mitch manipulation to give him his chance to install his promised anti Sex-For-Pleasure SCOTUS majority.

If Moscow Mitch thought he could have given Trump the stick figure cartoon illustrated instructions on how to pack the court for all of their America-hating Repub goals and wishes during Trump's worst presidency and Constitutional Crisis Per Day tenure without it backfiring on his Party badly, he would have.

So Trump increases the SCOTUS by 4 justices in order to repeal everything great for America accomplished by the Dems and then Biden increases it by another 4 in order to clean up that disastrous mess produced by Trump, Kamala adds another 4 to better prepare us for the latter half of the 21st Century and then the next Repub increases it by another 4 in order to take the country back to pre Civil War era conditions and on and on?

Even Moscow Mitch could not see the advantage in setting that up without a Super Majority vote in Congress to support it. And there is no chance of that happening now.

Gino02

07-07-22, 07:01

From your link:

Fine. Glad to see that level of panic and concern. I hope that feeling grows even more urgent heading into November.

Considering there is zero legislative fix for any of those things without more Dems in Congress, particularly the Senate, the absolute dumbest and most counterproductive message Biden could send right now is, "We, the Party that has cleaned up and fixed every horrific Republican Party disaster in history can shout and scowl America out of this disastrous Repub mess too! And we can do it even before or instead of you nice folks getting off your butts to vote for us. Yep, we're that good"!

Repubs already have 150+ years of midterm precedence on their side this year. I don't see how making voters think shouting and scowling is the fix for what ails them over actually voting into office more of the problem solvers and fewer of the problem creators will help rather than hurt the Party occupying the White House at this time right along with America in general.Stay on point please. Biden is a useless junk, admit that first. No further explanations or proofs needed.

Your kinds, including Biden, keep blaming others for their failures which is exactly what you just shown us above. Again. LOL.

Gino02

07-07-22, 07:08

California Gov. Gavin Newsom pushes back on 'irresponsible' Montana trip criticism amid state-funded travel ban.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/california-gov-gavin-newsom-pushes-back-on-irresponsible-montana-trip-criticism-amid-state-funded-travel-ban/ar-AAZhFLH

Gavin Newsom bans (California) state funded travels to 22 states where laws discriminate against gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender residents about what these people do in their personal lives, but it's morally and ethically OK for him to travel to one of those states (Montana) for a personal trip? What happened to following his own moral and ethics compass in personal lives?

Typical democrat libtard LOL.

Elvis 2008

07-07-22, 10:12

BTW, today the RCP poll of polls' Repub advantage has dropped down to a scant 1. 3 percentage points. I am sure they are scrambling to find a Rassmussen or Trafalgar poll or two out there somewhere to add to their mix to help calm the nerves of their target Repub viewers.A week ago, I checked the futures on the midterms. Betting on Republicans sweeping both houses was 78 cents to win one dollar. For Dems, it was 22 cents to win a dollar, so you can win nearly 5 X your money.

I would not bet this. It is too little a reward and Republicans taking the house is practically a sure thing, and the Senate is likely to happen too. But it is right up your alley, Mr. 1000% returns. LOL. Have you put your money where you mouth is? This is a no brainer five bagger for you. LOL.

As for what to run on, that is easy: not being Democrats.

Dems tried to rig the 2016 election and then tried to take down Trump with Russiagate which is known to be a complete and utter fraud. Did they apologize for that? Show any remorse? Fuck no. They are doing 1-6 hearings in essence to say that you better not protest against our fraud again. The Dems instead of saying, "Ok, we understand why you are angry" are doing all they can to flog those involved.

Fox News used to say that there were a few bad apples in the FBI. Even Ben Shapiro was incredulous to the total and complete rot in the FBI, and Matt Taibbi was in total agreement. Then there was the Hunter Biden laptop censorship and intelligence experts saying the laptop was classic Russian disinformation.

So you ask what Republicans can run on? An objective FBI, apolitical intelligence agencies, an end to censorship, innocent until proven guilty, and due process. Hell, Dems have spent six years trying to make it so Trump cannot even run again. And why? Because Trump exposed how corrupt the system is. Taibbi said it best. Trump is a guy who has been privileged all his life sticking up for the common man. How fucked up is that? Polices that benefit the public and not the rich are derided as being populist. Sure Trump annoyed people and said cringe worthy things but he also called out things that needed to be. So the venom for Trump is not based on his policies but those screwing the taxpayers and want to stay hidden.

Do you know how you define a Dem? It is a person who looks at the millions Hunter Biden was pulling in for doing nothing at Burisma, throws up their arms, and says, "That is just the way it is. " They do not understand that line has been used to justify all this nation's past sins and could be used to justify slavery. The other "defense" of this indefensible behavior is whataboutism and trying to say the Trump children were just as bad whatever that means. The reality is there is no justification for this kind of filth. It is not illegal but the kind of behavior that gets someone out of office.

So the modern Dem just blows off Hunter Biden, the FBI, intelligence community, censorship, Fauci's follies, Russia gate, and calls those voting Republicans racist and stupid. So the answer to the question of what will Republicans run on is simple? We the Republicans are in the party that is not batshit crazy.

Elvis 2008

07-07-22, 10:48

If the body needs oxygen (in other words, the person needs help breathing) you put them on a ventilatorNo, that is wrong. It requires more energy to exhale than inhale. Ventilators are used more commonly to assist with getting rid of CO2 than giving oxygen, and you have no clue how ventilators works and what their side effects are.

Now you are using recent studies to say that what doctors did two years ago was the wrong approach. Wow.Oh, it is even worse than that. The first time I saw someone with Covid and hypoxia, I instantly deduced that the projected need for ventilators was way, way overblown. In fact, a lot of the reason that people died was that they were put on ventilators prematurely. The reason I was not militant about not pointing it out was a correction was already under way.

https://heavy.com/news/2020/04/ventilators-may-make-most-covid-19-patients-worse-instead-of-better/

But this says a lot about you. You are flogging me, approving of the massive amount of money wasted on ventilator production, and aligning yourself with experts but are clueless to the fact the experts have changed their minds. Your not keeping up is the reason you do not recognize the Fauci follies. In your mind, the thousands of unused ventilators littering warehouses around the country was money well spent as those spending such money had their hearts in the right place.

To me, that is wasted money by pols looking to score points and bash Trump, and all that money spent on useless ventilators could have been used to actually help people. Once more, when I objected to destroying the economy for Covid, that is not to say I want more money in my pocket (though I am not against that) but more money for people who are really sick.

For some boneheaded reason when it comes to Covid and Ukraine, the Democrat response is the first thing that we need to do is to financially slit our wrists to show we care.

It was amazing that a liberal like Taibbi and a conservative like Ben Shapiro completely saw eye to eye on this and in essence were saying the Covid experts were full of shit. Bill Maher did as well but not you PVM. To you, it is we Dems listen to the experts no matter what even after the experts have changed their minds. In your mind, buying all those unused ventilators was sound policy.

PVMonger

07-07-22, 15:38

Good ole Ruthie was chatting with some law students on a panel at the University of Chicago law school.

And said Roe was "bad law" and a bad ruling etc etc.

Maybe this is why she wouldn't retire she wanted to take a fall for the dems and let "bad orange man" replace her with the final vote needed to correct the evil of Roe.

I'm guessing her good friend Scalia convinced her whist her was "porking" her with his salami to do just that LMAO.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/ruth-bader-ginsburgs-unexpected-legacy/

Post script.Actually, Ginsburg said nothing of the kind. If you stop getting your news from the sources you post, you'd see that.

But don't take my word for it, take the University of Chicago (where you said she called Roe v. Wade a "bad ruling" She said "My criticism of Roe is that it seemed to have stopped the momentum on the side of change," Ginsburg said. She would've preferred that abortion rights be secured more gradually, in a process that included state legislatures and the courts, she added. Ginsburg also was troubled that the focus on Roe was on a right to privacy, rather than women's rights. " She also said "Roe isn't really about the woman's choice, is it?" Ginsburg said. "It's about the doctor's freedom to practice. It wasn't woman-centered, it was physician-centered. " https://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-offers-critique-roe-v-wade-during-law-school-visit and https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/us/ruth-bader-ginsburg-roe-v-wade.html.

So, no, Ginsburg didn't say that Roe v. Wade was a "bad law" or a "bad ruling". You know who says those things? Rightwingnut media and the rightwingnuts who get their information from those sources.

JustTK

07-07-22, 17:39

Then at the start of the 20th Century, immigration was ended, and America enjoyed 70 years or enormous prosperity and success. Until the effects of the 1965 Immigration Bill (and other disasters) began to kick in.

P.S. The video you attached was by an openly Marxist Jewish college professor. Was it supposed to be a joke?A "Marxist Jew". Not sure if he is a Jew, but he is certainly a socialist. Was that supposed to be a reason not to respect his opinion?

I see a problem in our communication. You refer to neo-liberals as "leftists". I call them right wingers. So we have that confusion to overcome.

You seem to confuse causation with correlation. Just bcos events happened concurrently, doesn't mean that one caused the other. There are various reasons why the USA went thru a period of properity prior to the 1970's. From 1820-1970 real wages in the USA rose without much pause due to economic prosperity caused by geographical, geological and political good fortune. It had very little do with sound economic policies. From 1970 to date, real wages have fallen without break.

What caused this change in the 1970's? Various factors worked to reduce real wages:

• Prior to WW2, the USA was the New World in its golden age – a place of untold and readily available resources, huge expanses of undeveloped land – a country that was perfectly positioned to develop and deliver goods to a largely choked and overexploited Europe. Rapid economic expansion and the genocide of the indigenous people meant that there was always high demand for labour, meaning rising wages.

• The advent of computers in everyday life meant more automation – fewer jobs available.

• Aftereffects of WW2 – USA didn't enter the war until late and so was largely unaffected. All other super powers were destroyed. This meant USA had a free reign to dominate the world economy, which it did. This was a golden opportunity for the USA, but it was temporary and it changed in the 1960's-70's. Slowly Japan, Germany, later Korea, and now China, rose up to compete against and overcome US industry – initially motor vehicles, computers, entertainment systems, now pretty much everything bar war equipment. The US response was to move production overseas and buy imports – fewer jobs available.

• 1970's saw a cultural shift in the role of women. Encouraged to make a career, compete against men, be independent – greater demand for jobs.

• Due to global competition, foreign policy and imperialist exploitation of poorer nations, cheap labour flooded in to USA – greater demand for jobs. It reaps what it sows.

Domestic and international politics are dominated by rich and powerful individuals and corporations – the oligarchs. These policies are designed to benefit the wealthy at the expense of the weak; it's a systematic exploitation of its own people and those of other nations. This is why we see a neglect of healthcare, of education, of housing, of infrastructure, and a lack of respect to the rights of people from weaker countries that hold natural resources. And it's why there is blanket control of mainstream media that represents the views of the oligarchs as if they are second nature. No other options exist, and other opinions are ridiculed as the views of extremists, dangerous madmen, or terrorists. I see that in your comment about Richard Wolff.

Travv

07-07-22, 19:39

The prophets have long whispered of the return of MAGA King Trump. In faith, we know that his return is inevitable and that he will soon reclaim the presidency and set right what has gone awry.

Here are the first 12 things Trump will do when he returns to power:

Spray Febreze on the Oval Office curtains to get the old man smell out: Step one to draining the swamp is giving it a flowery scent.

Make Pelosi wear a sweater on the beach: I mean, really.

Welcome back Mike Pence, just to tell him he's fired: It'll be the highest ratings for a single episode of The Apprentice. Maybe ever.

Invade Afghanistan so he can show how much better he would be at withdrawing from Afghanistan: he's been dreaming about this one every night when he goes to sleep.

Finish building that wall, but make Hunter Biden pay for it: Hunter will borrow from Joe, who will borrow from China. 4 D chess!

Make everything at the dollar store $1 again: And abolish the fed.

Sneak out of the Oval Office for a quick 9 holes: Trump needs to keep his golf skills sharp so he can challenge Putin to a match for the fate of Russia.

Bring back the McRib: And make it permanent this time! Find Osama Bin Laden's body and kill him again: USA! USA! USA!

Declare total infinity immunity with no take-backs: Should put an end to congressional witch hunts.

Put Dr. Fauci in the stocks in the National Mall so everyone can throw cabbage at him: Somewhere up there Samuel Adams is drunkenly smiling.

Buy Greenland and make Mexico pay for it: And then drill for oil like there's no tomorrow. . .

MarquisdeSade1

07-07-22, 22:43

Actually, Ginsburg said nothing of the kind. If you stop getting your news from the sources you post, you'd see that.

But don't take my word for it, take the University of Chicago (where you said she called Roe v. Wade a "bad ruling" She said "My criticism of Roe is that it seemed to have stopped the momentum on the side of change," Ginsburg said. She would've preferred that abortion rights be secured more gradually, in a process that included state legislatures and the courts, she added. Ginsburg also was troubled that the focus on Roe was on a right to privacy, rather than women's rights. " She also said "Roe isn't really about the woman's choice, is it?" Ginsburg said. "It's about the doctor's freedom to practice. It wasn't woman-centered, it was physician-centered. " https://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-offers-critique-roe-v-wade-during-law-school-visit and https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/us/ruth-bader-ginsburg-roe-v-wade.html.

So, no, Ginsburg didn't say that Roe v. Wade was a "bad law" or a "bad ruling". You know who says those things? Rightwingnut media and the rightwingnuts who get their information from those sources.It has been several years since I saw the video but I am paraphrasing what she said.

And thankfully the end result is she made sure the "Bad law" was reversed LOL prima facie evidence of what she thought of it LMAO.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/27/what-ruth-bader-ginsburg-really-said-about-roe-v-wade/

Gino02

07-08-22, 01:48

MarquisdeSade1

07-08-22, 02:38

Stay on point please. Biden is a useless junk, admit that first. No further explanations or proofs needed.

Your kinds, including Biden, keep blaming others for their failures which is exactly what you just shown us above. Again. LOL.https://stormer-daily.rw/jp-morgan-analysts-warn-russian-sanctions-to-backfire-skyrocket-oil-price/

Chris P

07-08-22, 05:11

For some boneheaded reason when it comes to Covid and Ukraine, the Democrat response is the first thing that we need to do is to financially slit our wrists to show we care.Speaking of which, Biden's handlers have just signed up to Zelensky's latest demand for $750 billion. That's on top of the $50 billion plus already sent.

Hell, why not make it a cool trillion? We're already $30 trillion in debt, what difference will another one make? It's not as if regular Americans could use the money, is it? Half of it will go back to the Bidens, Clintons, Pelosis, Kerrys, Romneys and the rest of the swamp in kickbacks anyway so you can see why they're so enthusiastic.

Chris P

07-08-22, 05:15

From 1970 to date, real wages have fallen without break.

What caused this change in the 1970's? .....cheap labour flooded in to USA..So we agree open borders mass world immigration is bad. Great! No need for all the other guff you wrote.

EihTooms

07-08-22, 06:17

Stay on point please. Biden is a useless junk, admit that first. No further explanations or proofs needed.

Your kinds, including Biden, keep blaming others for their failures which is exactly what you just shown us above. Again. LOL.Biden has already accomplished more positive results for America (Recovery from Trump's Pandemic, Jobs Created, Historic Bipartisan Infrastructure Legislation, etc) and the rest of the world (Beating The Snot Out Of Putin's and Trump's Goals Of Weakening The Western, Democratic Alliance) than all previous Repubs of the past 100 years combined.

And he proves with every public appearance, press briefing and Question and Answer session the same thing he proved while beating the snot out of Trump at every Presidential Debate including the ones Trump was too cowardly to attend and when he tried but failed to infect Biden with his Trump's Pandemic virus; that he is more lucid, more cognitively capable, better prepared, better informed and more fit for office as POTUS than any Repub so-called potus ever.

EihTooms

07-08-22, 07:13

We definitely won't be hearing any more "questioning" of his boyfriend / benefactor's motives and methods coming out of Trump's pie hole no matter how mild. LOL.

Russia state TV host suggests Moscow could 'reinstall' Trump as US president

https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/russia-state-tv-hosts-suggests-moscow-could-reinstall-trump-as-us-president/articleshow/92709617.cms

A Russian state TV host said Moscow hasn't decided whether to "reinstall" Trump as president in 2024.

The US intelligence community concluded Russia interfered in 2016 and 2020 to boost Trump's chances of winning.I guess our resident Kremlin talking points disseminater missed this report or he surely would have posted it by now.

EihTooms

07-08-22, 13:51

This is not working out so well for the Repub "Biden's economy is tanking! Crashing!" Crowd.

Payrolls increased 372,000 in June, more than expected, as jobs market defies recession fears

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/08/jobs-report-june-2022-.html?__source=androidappshare

Job growth accelerated at a much faster pace than expected in June, indicating that the main pillar of the U.S. economy remains strong despite pockets of weakness.

Nonfarm payrolls increased 372,000 in the month, better than the 250,000 Dow Jones estimate and continuing what has been a strong year for job growth, according to data Friday from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The unemployment rate was 3.6%, unchanged from May and in line with estimates.

MarquisdeSade1

07-08-22, 14:55

PVMonger

07-08-22, 15:03

It has been several years since I saw the video but I am paraphrasing what she said.

And thankfully the end result is she made sure the "Bad law" was reversed LOL prima facie evidence of what she thought of it LMAO.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/27/what-ruth-bader-ginsburg-really-said-about-roe-v-wade/The WAPO link says exactly what I said that she said. "Indeed Ginsburg's criticisms of Roe generally had to do with pragmatic and political concerns, rather than saying it was outright wrong. And far from wanting to leave this decision to the states, as Friday's decision does, she repeatedly sided with the idea that abortion was a constitutional right. She had preferred that right to be phased in more gradually and that it rely more on a different part of the Constitution — the right to equal protection rather than the right to privacy, the basis of Roe. " And "Ginsburg's other main problem with Roe was that it was based upon the right to privacy rather than the right to equal protection — she felt the latter would have left it more insulated from challenges. " And ""Roe isn't really about the woman's choice, is it?" Ginsburg said in a 2013 event at the University of Chicago. "It's about the doctor's freedom to practice. . It wasn't woman-centered, it was physician-centered."

But sure, keep on contending that Ginsburg was against Roe v. Wade. That's what you guys do, you take one statement and turn it into something else and think that nobody will notice. But we all aren't as dumb as you are.

DramaFree11

07-08-22, 15:32

Speaking of which, Biden's handlers have just signed up to Zelensky's latest demand for $750 billion. That's on top of the $50 billion plus already sent.

Hell, why not make it a cool trillion? We're already $30 trillion in debt, what difference will another one make? It's not as if regular Americans could use the money, is it? Half of it will go back to the Bidens, Clintons, Pelosis, Kerrys, Romneys and the rest of the swamp in kickbacks anyway so you can see why they're so enthusiastic.Yep, what a joke. Now Pres. Z. Is unwilling to negotiate. What a mess, I am afraid we have created a monster in Pres. Z, this war will never end.

MarquisdeSade1

07-08-22, 17:31

The WAPO link says exactly what I said that she said. "Indeed Ginsburg's criticisms of Roe generally had to do with pragmatic and political concerns, rather than saying it was outright wrong. And far from wanting to leave this decision to the states, as Friday's decision does, she repeatedly sided with the idea that abortion was a constitutional right. She had preferred that right to be phased in more gradually and that it rely more on a different part of the Constitution the right to equal protection rather than the right to privacy, the basis of Roe. " And "Ginsburg's other main problem with Roe was that it was based upon the right to privacy rather than the right to equal protection she felt the latter would have left it more insulated from challenges. " And ""Roe isn't really about the woman's choice, is it?" Ginsburg said in a 2013 event at the University of Chicago. "It's about the doctor's freedom to practice. . It wasn't woman-centered, it was physician-centered."

But sure, keep on contending that Ginsburg was against Roe v. Wade. That's what you guys do, you take one statement and turn it into something else and think that nobody will notice. But we all aren't as dumb as you are.If you weren't such a fool you would know that a persons actions speak louder than their words LMAO (thanks so much ruthie you're the best for letting bad orange man reverse the evil known as Roe) she has said that is was a bad ruling for a variety of reasons, even according to your own words dum ass.

"She had preferred that right to be phased in more gradually and that it rely more on a different part of the Constitution the right to equal protection rather than the right to privacy, the basis of Roe. " And "Ginsburg's other main problem with Roe was that it was based upon the right to privacy rather than the right to equal protection she felt the latter would have left it more insulated from challenges. " And ""Roe isn't really about the woman's choice, is it?" Ginsburg said in a 2013 event at the University of Chicago. "It's about the doctor's freedom to practice. . It wasn't woman-centered, it was physician-centered".

Are you brain dead? You just listed reasons why she was against the ruling and then say she wasn't!

MarquisdeSade1

07-08-22, 17:36

Yep, what a joke. Now Pres. Z. Is unwilling to negotiate. What a mess, I am afraid we have created a monster in Pres. Z, this war will never end.At least until there is at least one dum ass Ukrainian willing to die so this turd can cash in.

https://stormer-daily.rw/epic-life-hack-revealed-if-you-dont-want-to-die-dont-join-a-mercenary-army-to-fight-russia/

Chris P

07-08-22, 17:58

Biden has already accomplished more positive results for America (Recovery from Trump's Pandemic, Jobs Created, Historic Bipartisan Infrastructure Legislation, etc) and the rest of the world (Beating The Snot Out Of Putin's and Trump's Goals Of Weakening The Western, Democratic Alliance) than all previous Repubs of the past 100 years combined.

And he proves with every public appearance, press briefing and Question and Answer session the same thing he proved while beating the snot out of Trump at every Presidential Debate including the ones Trump was too cowardly to attend and when he tried but failed to infect Biden with his Trump's Pandemic virus; that he is more lucid, more cognitively capable, better prepared, better informed and more fit for office as POTUS than any Repub so-called potus ever.This guy is hilarious. He comes out and says with a seemingly straight face things like "Biden is more lucid and cognitively capable than any Republican president", and "Jimmy Carter was a hugely successful president". I don't know whether it's intentional or not, but either way it makes for some wonderful comedy. Keep it up sir.

JustTK

07-08-22, 18:03

So we agree open borders mass world immigration is bad.Not at all. I am all for open borders. I beleive the world could only ever be a socially and economically just place once all borders are removed and people rightfully have the opportunity to improve their lives.

People generally do not want to uproot their lives and move without a strong motive. If other countries are going to sponsor coups, impose and support corrupt corrupt leaders, start wars to steal resources, commit economic sabotage on countries bcos they don't like the way they manage their country, exploit the poor in sweat shop factories, and generally do nothing to promote development in disadvanataged reasons, then those countries reap what they sow. Its called imperialism, exceptionalism, bullying. This is what causes migration. The Dems and Reps are equally guilty in laying the ground for that.

Chris P

07-08-22, 18:30

Not at all. I am all for open borders. I beleive the world could only ever be a socially and economically just place once all borders are removed and people rightfully have the opportunity to improve their lives.

People generally do not want to uproot their lives and move without a strong motive.You listed the reasons why real wages in America have been stagnant since the 1970's, which is clearly a bad thing, and correctly put open borders mass turd world immigration on that list. Now you're saying you're in favor of it? That is what we call "cognitive dissonance", often seen among leftists.

Yes, people do not want to uproot their lives and move, particularly when that move is fraught with danger like trekking across cartel-run deserts. That is why the only people who do it are the losers and dregs of the third world.

Despite the image the fake news media would give you, places like Guatemala and El Salvador are functioning countries in which the vast majority of people get along ok. There is no mass famine or war killing hundreds of thousands of people. Only the complete douchebags and criminals at the bottom of society, who are too stupid / lazy and useless to find employment, and where there is little or no welfare state, need to leave. This is so that they can latch onto the generous welfare teat of Uncle Sam, and proceed to spend the rest of their lives increasing the US national debt through the $30 trillion barrier and beyond.

Chris P

07-08-22, 18:36

At least until there is at least one dum ass Ukrainian willing to die so this turd can cash in.

https://stormer-daily.rw/epic-life-hack-revealed-if-you-dont-want-to-die-dont-join-a-mercenary-army-to-fight-russia/Yeah it's pretty rich to see Blinken the failed rockstar whining about foreign mercenaries fighting in Ukraine not being given Geneva Convention PoW protections when it clearly states these are not extended to mercs. Also the US didn't give PoW status to prisoners in the so-called war on terror.

I hope the war ends quickly but after all the tricks the Washington swamp has pulled in the last 20 years the US doesn't have a leg to stand on with all that "rules-based order" bullshit.

EihTooms

07-08-22, 19:13

Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck and the Dems.

Number of involuntary part-time workers falls by 707,000, lowest level in 21 years

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/08/involuntary-part-time-worker-numbers-dip-to-lowest-level-in-21-years.html?__source=androidappshare

The number of Americans employed part-time for economic reasons fell by 707,000 last month to 3.6 million, according to June jobs report issued Friday by the U.S. Department of Labor.

Thats the lowest level of so-called involuntary part-time workers since August 2001, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis. The dynamic suggests workers have ample leverage in the current jobseekers labor market.

These individuals work part-time involuntarily. They are forced to work part-time because their employer cut their hours or they cant find a full-time gig, according to the Labor Department.Repubs hate that result I highlighted in the report. That's what they mean when they say these Great Dem Economic Expansions and Recoveries from Great Repub Economic Disasters like the current one we are experiencing thanks to Biden and the Dems are "Flaming Dumpster Fires" and ignorant crap like that. LOL.

For Repubs, any labor market and economy that favors the workers instead of the CEOs at the great expense of the workers is terrible and must be turned around ASAP!

George W. Bush apparently hated that outcome in the economy he inherited from Clinton 21 years ago the need to "turn it around" might have been another reason he blew off and utterly ignored the alarming Presidential Daily Briefng regarding Osama Bin Laden's plans for the USA he got that month and did absolutely nothing in response to it. That would have been a typical Repub move.

Chris P

07-08-22, 19:25

If you weren't such a fool you would know that a persons actions speak louder than their words LMAO (thanks so much ruthie you're the best for letting bad orange man reverse the evil known as Roe) she has said that is was a bad ruling for a variety of reasons, even according to your own words dum ass.

"She had preferred that right to be phased in more gradually and that it rely more on a different part of the Constitution the right to equal protection rather than the right to privacy, the basis of Roe. " And "Ginsburg's other main problem with Roe was that it was based upon the right to privacy rather than the right to equal protection she felt the latter would have left it more insulated from challenges. " And ""Roe isn't really about the woman's choice, is it?" Ginsburg said in a 2013 event at the University of Chicago. "It's about the doctor's freedom to practice. . It wasn't woman-centered, it was physician-centered".

Are you brain dead? You just listed reasons why she was against the ruling and then say she wasn't!He's worse than brain dead; he's brainwashed.

PVMonger

07-08-22, 20:26

Xpartan

07-08-22, 22:30

Speaking of which, Biden's handlers have just signed up to Zelensky's latest demand for $750 billion. That's on top of the $50 billion plus already sent.

Hell, why not make it a cool trillion? We're already $30 trillion in debt, what difference will another one make? It's not as if regular Americans could use the money, is it? Half of it will go back to the Bidens, Clintons, Pelosis, Kerrys, Romneys and the rest of the swamp in kickbacks anyway so you can see why they're so enthusiastic.Come again? How many billions?

No seriously. Do come again.

MarquisdeSade1

07-08-22, 23:33

Not at all. I am all for open borders. I beleive the world could only ever be a socially and economically just place once all borders are removed and people rightfully have the opportunity to improve their lives.

People generally do not want to uproot their lives and move without a strong motive. If other countries are going to sponsor coups, impose and support corrupt corrupt leaders, start wars to steal resources, commit economic sabotage on countries bcos they don't like the way they manage their country, exploit the poor in sweat shop factories, and generally do nothing to promote development in disadvanataged reasons, then those countries reap what they sow. Its called imperialism, exceptionalism, bullying. This is what causes migration. The Dems and Reps are equally guilty in laying the ground for that.Except the Great replacement would only replace us until you are no longer dirt cheap.

Sooner rather than later the invaders would be replaced also.

Why do you think most mexicans in the united states want a big beautiful damn wall, they're not as dum as you.

They don't want any part of the Hunger Games you advocate for.

Chris P

07-09-22, 00:26

Come again? How many billions?

No seriously. Do come again.https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukraine-announced-750-billion-recovery-plan-russia-hones-donetsk

"Ukraine on Monday announced a $750 billion plan to rebuild the war-torn nation and President Volodymyr Zelenskyy urged the international community to join "the greatest contribution to the maintenance of global peace. " ".

As we all know, if the government says it'll cost 750, it'll actually cost at least three times that amount. And as we also know, just like with NATO and the Ukraine gibsmedats thus far, the US taxpayer will end up with most of the bill (tacked onto the $30 trillion debt we already have). Add in the vast swamp kickbacks in both Ukraine and the US, and who knows how high the "reconstruction" (LOL) amount will be.

JustTK

07-09-22, 01:49

You listed the reasons why real wages in America have been stagnant since the 1970's, which is clearly a bad thing. Now you're saying you're in favor of it? That is what we call "cognitive dissonance".
Not at all. USA does not have open borders. So to blame it for all the illegal immigrants is plain stupid. USA has tightly closed borders. Tahts why you have illegal immigrants. Geddit now?

That is why the only people who do it are the losers and dregs of the third world.
.You mean the victims of imperialism and capitalism? Of course. Those are the systems that the USA imposes on weaker nations. Therefore it must deal with the consequences. You can't go crying to mama after your actions didn't have the consequences that your shortsighted reasoning lead you to.

This is so that they can latch onto the generous welfare teat of Uncle Sam.The USA has the least generous welfare system of any developed nation on Earth. That's (partly) why many people refer to the USA as a failed state.

JustTK

07-09-22, 01:53

Why do you think most mexicans in the united states want a big beautiful damn wall, they're not as dum as you.

If that is true, then I guess they are the same as all the other rats in the USA. They rejoice in benefitting from the opportunity at life in the New World then slam the door shut on any others. Selfish as Hell.

Xpartan

07-09-22, 02:21

https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukraine-announced-750-billion-recovery-plan-russia-hones-donetsk

"Ukraine on Monday announced a $750 billion plan to rebuild the war-torn nation and President Volodymyr Zelenskyy urged the international community to join "the greatest contribution to the maintenance of global peace. " ".

As we all know, if the government says it'll cost 750, it'll actually cost at least three times that amount. And as we also know, just like with NATO and the Ukraine gibsmedats thus far, the US taxpayer will end up with most of the bill (tacked onto the $30 trillion debt we already have). Add in the vast swamp kickbacks in both Ukraine and the US, and who knows how high the "reconstruction" (LOL) amount will be.Ah, Ukraine did, huh? That's good.

At least you've admitted, well, in your own way, that your "Biden's handlers have just signed up to Zelensky's latest demand for $750 billion" fantasy never happened.

MarquisdeSade1

07-09-22, 04:18

If that is true, then I guess they are the same as all the other rats in the USA. They rejoice in benefitting from the opportunity at life in the New World then slam the door shut on any others. Selfish as Hell.That would be the ones invading someone elses fucking country to destroy the quality of life for hundreds of millions of people.

Tell me that's not selfish as hell.

MarquisdeSade1

07-09-22, 04:26

If that is true, then I guess they are the same as all the other rats in the USA. They rejoice in benefitting from the opportunity at life in the New World then slam the door shut on any others. Selfish as Hell.You're one of those dirtbags that figure if you can't have it then no one should.

Destroy so no one can have it, if the shit hole country you come from can't have the same standard of living as western europe or the united states.

Then fuck it then lets destroy it so no one can ala london, stockholm, brussels, paris et al.

JK aka Lou see Fer.

(if you're so worthy of a better standard of living why don't you just create it for you and the "country" where you come from?

MarquisdeSade1

07-09-22, 04:31

Not at all. USA does not have open borders. So to blame it for all the illegal immigrants is plain stupid. USA has tightly closed borders. Tahts why you have illegal immigrants. Geddit now?

You mean the victims of imperialism and capitalism? Of course. Those are the systems that the USA imposes on weaker nations. Therefore it must deal with the consequences. You can't go crying to mama after your actions didn't have the consequences that your shortsighted reasoning lead you to.

The USA has the least generous welfare system of any developed nation on Earth. That's (partly) why many people refer to the USA as a failed state.The USA has the least generous welfare system of any developed nation on Earth.

Something tells me that's why you hate it so.

If this wasnt the case you would be living here LOL.

So tell us what stoopid ass white western european country gives you a "economic refugee" welfare check so you can live in Medellin and monger 24/7?

I'm guessing your check is from London.

MarquisdeSade1

07-09-22, 04:38

Yeah it's pretty rich to see Blinken the failed rockstar whining about foreign mercenaries fighting in Ukraine not being given Geneva Convention PoW protections when it clearly states these are not extended to mercs. Also the US didn't give PoW status to prisoners in the so-called war on terror.

I hope the war ends quickly but after all the tricks the Washington swamp has pulled in the last 20 years the US doesn't have a leg to stand on with all that "rules-based order" bullshit.Touche' wise one.

MarquisdeSade1

07-09-22, 04:44

MarquisdeSade1

07-09-22, 04:57

A "Marxist Jew". Not sure if he is a Jew, but he is certainly a socialist. Was that supposed to be a reason not to respect his opinion?

I see a problem in our communication. You refer to neo-liberals as "leftists". I call them right wingers. So we have that confusion to overcome.

You seem to confuse causation with correlation. Just bcos events happened concurrently, doesn't mean that one caused the other. There are various reasons why the USA went thru a period of properity prior to the 1970's. From 1820-1970 real wages in the USA rose without much pause due to economic prosperity caused by geographical, geological and political good fortune. It had very little do with sound economic policies. From 1970 to date, real wages have fallen without break.

What caused this change in the 1970's? Various factors worked to reduce real wages:

Prior to WW2, the USA was the New World in its golden age a place of untold and readily available resources, huge expanses of undeveloped land a country that was perfectly positioned to develop and deliver goods to a largely choked and overexploited Europe. Rapid economic expansion and the genocide of the indigenous people meant that there was always high demand for labour, meaning rising wages.

The advent of computers in everyday life meant more automation fewer jobs available.

Aftereffects of WW2 USA didn't enter the war until late and so was largely unaffected. All other super powers were destroyed. This meant USA had a free reign to dominate the world economy, which it did. This was a golden opportunity for the USA, but it was temporary and it changed in the 1960's-70's. Slowly Japan, Germany, later Korea, and now China, rose up to compete against and overcome US industry initially motor vehicles, computers, entertainment systems, now pretty much everything bar war equipment. The US response was to move production overseas and buy imports fewer jobs available.

1970's saw a cultural shift in the role of women. Encouraged to make a career, compete against men, be independent greater demand for jobs.

Due to global competition, foreign policy and imperialist exploitation of poorer nations, cheap labour flooded in to USA greater demand for jobs. It reaps what it sows.

Domestic and international politics are dominated by rich and powerful individuals and corporations the oligarchs. These policies are designed to benefit the wealthy at the expense of the weak; it's a systematic exploitation of its own people and those of other nations. This is why we see a neglect of healthcare, of education, of housing, of infrastructure, and a lack of respect to the rights of people from weaker countries that hold natural resources. And it's why there is blanket control of mainstream media that represents the views of the oligarchs as if they are second nature. No other options exist, and other opinions are ridiculed as the views of extremists, dangerous madmen, or terrorists. I see that in your comment about Richard Wolff.Slowly Japan, Germany, later Korea, and now China, rose up to compete against and overcome US industry initially motor vehicles, computers, entertainment systems, now pretty much everything bar war equipment.

You're way off, the US built Germany into what it was after ww2 Japan also and SK after the war, lastly I seriously China would be what it is today without Bubba putting them in the WTO for Wall street.

They didn't overcome US industry in most cases US industry and technology was just moved there or stolen ie Samsung phones cars TVs etc etc etc etc.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/newt-gingrich-i-saw-the-south-korean-miracle-for-myself-it-was-incredible

Chris P

07-09-22, 05:05

Not at all. USA does not have open borders. So to blame it for all the illegal immigrants is plain stupid. USA has tightly closed borders. Tahts why you have illegal immigrants.Haha! The USA has tightly closed borders! Good one! Oh my aching ribs. Are you Eihtooms in disguise?

You mean the victims of imperialism and capitalism? Of course. Those are the systems that the USA imposes on weaker nations. Therefore it must deal with the consequences. You can't go crying to mama after your actions didn't have the consequences that your shortsighted reasoning lead you to.In every country, in every system in history, even in the supposed communist utopias beloved of you and your hero Marxist Jew college professor, there are winners and losers. The winners are by and large people with intelligence and industry, who work hard and smart to make something of themselves. These kinds of people don't risk their lives trekking across the Mexican desert.

The losers are by and large stupid and / or lazy, people who drift through life without settling down to any career or long term plan, barely knowing where their next meal is coming from. These are the people with nothing to lose at home but much to gain from Uncle Sam's welfare teat. They're not sending their best.

The USA has the least generous welfare system of any developed nation on Earth. That's (partly) why many people refer to the USA as a failed state.Then why do they keep pouring in, genius? Welfare which even if less than other developed countries is a lot more than they get back home; anchor babies; and the chance to work off the books tax-free, undercutting and taking jobs away from Americans and revenue away from the IRS (thus further increasing the $30 trillion debt).

Chris P

07-09-22, 05:07

Chris P

07-09-22, 05:24

Except the Great replacement would only replace us until you are no longer dirt cheap.

Sooner rather than later the invaders would be replaced also.

Why do you think most mexicans in the united states want a big beautiful damn wall, they're not as dum as you.

They don't want any part of the Hunger Games you advocate for.Yeah that's a really interesting development. Biden / Democrat popularity among Hispanics (or "Latinx" as no Latino has ever called themselves) is cratering. His approval rating among them is 26%. And we've seen a congressional district on the Texas border that had been democrat for over 100 years just turn red.

Most Latinos don't want their towns overrun with useless illegals (mostly young, fighting age men) any more than the rest of us. They're also not big in the woke tranny Globohomo stuff or the economically-destructive climate hysteria (10 years till the end of the world, right AOC? Al Gore already told us Manhattan would be underwater by now).

Even black men are starting to turn away from the democrats and they particularly hate Heels Up Harris (who doesn't?) This is because they know she is a fraud: not even black (she was raised as a Hindu in an Indian family in Canada) she fucked her way up using then discarding black men like Willie Brown (he hates her too) while throwing huge numbers of black men in prison for drug offences while she was using drugs herself.

The way things are going, the only democrat voters left will be angry black women from the ghetto like that BLM leader who just scammed millions of dollars for herself, her family and her babydaddy; and crazed wine-and-SSRI-guzzling childless middle class white catladies.

EihTooms

07-09-22, 14:39

This guy is hilarious. He comes out and says with a seemingly straight face things like "Biden is more lucid and cognitively capable than any Republican president", and "Jimmy Carter was a hugely successful president". I don't know whether it's intentional or not, but either way it makes for some wonderful comedy. Keep it up sir.The irrefutable data shows Jimmy Carter's average annual jobs creation record was better than any Repub since the 1920's and he, not Reagan, shouldered all the heavy lifting and weathered all the political risk to tame hyper-inflation.

You might hope such a POTUS had to be "hugely successful" in order to kick the shit out of every Repub on those counts since the 1920's. But not really. It turns out all Carter needed to do was simply be a competent POTUS. Yeah, Repub results are that shitty.

Meanwhile, Trump managed to get his butt duly, well and surely Impeached the first time around for trying to blackmail a foreign leader and ally into fabricating dirt on the Dem candidate he feared most and was 100% correct would beat the snot out of him in every debate, even the one he was too much of a coward to attend, and ultimately in the 2020 election.

Do you think Trump did that to his own butt because he and his team had any evidence whatsoever that Biden was too "senile, ill-informed, unprepared and unfit" to compete with him and win?

Lolol.

PVMonger

07-09-22, 14:53

No, that is wrong. It requires more energy to exhale than inhale. Ventilators are used more commonly to assist with getting rid of CO2 than giving oxygen, and you have no clue how ventilators works and what their side effects are.

Oh, it is even worse than that. The first time I saw someone with Covid and hypoxia, I instantly deduced that the projected need for ventilators was way, way overblown. In fact, a lot of the reason that people died was that they were put on ventilators prematurely. The reason I was not militant about not pointing it out was a correction was already under way.

https://heavy.com/news/2020/04/ventilators-may-make-most-covid-19-patients-worse-instead-of-better/

But this says a lot about you. You are flogging me, approving of the massive amount of money wasted on ventilator production, and aligning yourself with experts but are clueless to the fact the experts have changed their minds. Your not keeping up is the reason you do not recognize the Fauci follies. In your mind, the thousands of unused ventilators littering warehouses around the country was money well spent as those spending such money had their hearts in the right place.

To me, that is wasted money by pols looking to score points and bash Trump, and all that money spent on useless ventilators could have been used to actually help people. Once more, when I objected to destroying the economy for Covid, that is not to say I want more money in my pocket (though I am not against that) but more money for people who are really sick.

For some boneheaded reason when it comes to Covid and Ukraine, the Democrat response is the first thing that we need to do is to financially slit our wrists to show we care.

It was amazing that a liberal like Taibbi and a conservative like Ben Shapiro completely saw eye to eye on this and in essence were saying the Covid experts were full of shit. Bill Maher did as well but not you PVM. To you, it is we Dems listen to the experts no matter what even after the experts have changed their minds. In your mind, buying all those unused ventilators was sound policy.The are far more incorrect thoughts in you post than correct one.

Let's first start with "It requires more energy to exhale than inhale." Hogwash. Inhalation is an "active" process whereas "exhalation" is passive. Of course "some" exhalation requires work, like using a spirometer. Here are two articles that don't have too many bigly words in them. Where are your sources, by the way? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_of_breathinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_of_breathing and https://www.nursingtimes.net/clinical-archive/respiratory-clinical-archive/every-breath-you-take-the-process-of-breathing-explained-08-01-2018/.

Then let's move on to the fact that you never, not one time, posted any comment on ISG about hypoxia and COVID. I suspect that you cut-and-pasted your comment from somewhere and are tying to rewrite history.

Your final comment is the most puzzling because you seem to be talking out of both sides of your mouth at the same time. You seem to believe that it is OK for experts to change their minds except when it comes to Dr. Fauci. So, which is it? Is it good to be able to change one's mind in the face of new evidence? Or is it bad to change one's mind in the fact of new evidence. If changing one's mind is a good thing, then you unnecessarily bashed Dr. Fauci and all of the experts who changed their minds too. Notwithstanding the fact that people who have a hand in determining public health policy for 360 million Americans have to be far more careful than a doc in an emergency room in East Podunk, Iowa. Or maybe you think that an expert changing their mind is a bad thing. Of course, if that was the case, you'd believe that the earth is the center of the universe and that the moon is made out of green cheese. But someone who believes that Italian satellites changed votes will literally believe anything.

Sheesh.

MarquisdeSade1

07-09-22, 15:08

Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck and the Dems.

Number of involuntary part-time workers falls by 707,000, lowest level in 21 years

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/08/involuntary-part-time-worker-numbers-dip-to-lowest-level-in-21-years.html?__source=androidappshare

Repubs hate that result I highlighted in the report. That's what they mean when they say these Great Dem Economic Expansions and Recoveries from Great Repub Economic Disasters like the current one we are experiencing thanks to Biden and the Dems are "Flaming Dumpster Fires" and ignorant crap like that. LOL.

For Repubs, any labor market and economy that favors the workers instead of the CEOs at the great expense of the workers is terrible and must be turned around ASAP!

George W. Bush apparently hated that outcome in the economy he inherited from Clinton 21 years ago the need to "turn it around" might have been another reason he blew off and utterly ignored the alarming Presidential Daily Briefng regarding Osama Bin Laden's plans for the USA he got that month and did absolutely nothing in response to it. That would have been a typical Repub move.https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/08/democrats-outright-worry-about-huge-losses-midterms/

PVMonger

07-09-22, 15:20

You listed the reasons why real wages in America have been stagnant since the 1970's, which is clearly a bad thing, and correctly put open borders mass turd world immigration on that list. Now you're saying you're in favor of it? That is what we call "cognitive dissonance", often seen among leftists.

Yes, people do not want to uproot their lives and move, particularly when that move is fraught with danger like trekking across cartel-run deserts. That is why the only people who do it are the losers and dregs of the third world.

Despite the image the fake news media would give you, places like Guatemala and El Salvador are functioning countries in which the vast majority of people get along ok. There is no mass famine or war killing hundreds of thousands of people. Only the complete douchebags and criminals at the bottom of society, who are too stupid / lazy and useless to find employment, and where there is little or no welfare state, need to leave. This is so that they can latch onto the generous welfare teat of Uncle Sam, and proceed to spend the rest of their lives increasing the US national debt through the $30 trillion barrier and beyond.Are all Republicans this dumb? You believe that "Only the complete douchebags and criminals at the bottom of society, who are too stupid / lazy and useless to find employment, and where there is little or no welfare state, need to leave. " and yet, at the same time, believe that these same "douchebags and criminals" are going to come to the US and steal our jobs?

Because for the last umpteen years, every Republican politician everywhere has been saying the same thing and every Republican believes them. I wish they could explain (to anyone) how all of these "criminals" are going to come to the US and get jobs as lawyers, engineers, salespeople, doctors?

Of course, when everything is "fake news", Republicans believe that everything is hunky-dory in Central America. https://reliefweb.int/report/guatemala/fleeing-live-supporting-violence-survivors-central-america.

Chris P

07-09-22, 18:30

Whatever happened to that POS Russia hoaxer are Maddow? LMAO.Maybe he got metoo'd?

ScatManDoo

07-09-22, 18:35

JustTK

07-09-22, 18:36

Do you let homeless bums come and live in your house? No? Selfish as Hell.Yes, my country has open borders to nearby countries. Anyone can come and live here. Whereas USA has NAFTA. USA only wants the goods, not the people. Typical pig-headed and selfish approach.

No socialist compalins about people having an opportunity to better themselves. What they want is that opportunity. Your approach denies them that. If someone has the misfortune to be born in a less desirable country, they are consigned to a life of poverty and destitution. But II guess you, being a USA neo-lib, wouldn't care. It's not your problem. As long as YOU are ok, the world is just great.

JustTK

07-09-22, 18:39

Then why do they keep pouring in, genius? Bcos the USA has fkd up their country so much that there is no other choice. Here is a very good explanation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKwJI9axblQ

Chris P

07-09-22, 18:44

Are all Republicans this dumb? You believe that "Only the complete douchebags and criminals at the bottom of society, who are too stupid / lazy and useless to find employment, and where there is little or no welfare state, need to leave. " and yet, at the same time, believe that these same "douchebags and criminals" are going to come to the US and steal our jobs?

Because for the last umpteen years, every Republican politician everywhere has been saying the same thing and every Republican believes them. I wish they could explain (to anyone) how all of these "criminals" are going to come to the US and get jobs as lawyers, engineers, salespeople, doctors?
Nobody is saying the flaky losers and criminals who break into the US are going to become lawyers, engineers and doctors. They aren't. The vast majority simply lack the IQ, never mind the industriousness, English language skills, or whatever else.

What they do is first get welfare gibsmedats, which adds into the national debt. Not only direct cash handouts to them, but the cost of housing them, flying them around, giving them healthcare (and many of them have various diseases), giving them legal aid, the infrastructure and logistics of setting up the legal processes which they all just ignore anyway, and much more. It all adds up. You're a democrat so you probably have a makework govt job or on welfare yourself so you don't understand the reality of how costs build up, but trust me, they do.

Then they have anchor babies. As the old song goes: "We have a hobby, it's called breeding. Welfare payments for baby feeding". More healthcare, free gibs, free education, free child services, etc, etc (when I say "free", of course, I mean "added to the $30 trillion national debt).

For those of them who do work, it is mostly off the books low-skilled jobs. No social security number, no taxes. So this has the double-whammy effect of putting low-skilled Americans out of work and in many cases forcing them onto welfare (more national debt); and simultaneously depriving the IRS of the taxes that the Americans would have paid if they had been doing the work that illegals are now doing tax-free (more national debt).

But hey, Crazy Nancy gets cheap lawnboys and servants for her shindigs at her suspiciously luxurious mansion (how does a govt worker get so rich? Ask Maxine Waters or Hunter Biden) and the dems get more addresses to harvest mail-in ballots from so it's all good.

Chris P

07-09-22, 19:53

Yes,Really? You let homeless bums come and live in your house? Methinks you are talking rubbish, not for the first time.

If someone has the misfortune to be born in a less desirable country, they are consigned to a life of poverty and destitution. But II guess you, being a USA neo-lib, wouldn't care. It's not your problem. As long as YOU are ok, the world is just great.[Deleted by Admin]. Most people in the third world are perfectly content there. They have jobs and an adequate standard of living. Many people in third world countries are wealthier than the underclass in the US.

But the underclass in the third world (the left end of the bell curve: low IQ, flaky doofuses who would fail anywhere) don't have a welfare teat to suck on in the third world. So they have nothing to lose by making the trek north to get gibs from Uncle Sam, drop an anchor baby, maybe do a couple days a week of casual untaxed labor off the books.

ScatManDoo

07-09-22, 22:20

The democrats will be pushing hard to get their subpoenas enforced.

Steve Bannon needs to be real scared of winding up in jail.

Federal prisons can be nasty, mean, hard places for pretty boys.I wrote this post nearly nine months ago, way back on 10/16/21.

Steve Bannon faces trial later this month (in July) And I think his last-ditch efforts to avoid jail show his cowardice.

JustTK

07-10-22, 00:20

Katie Halper on the lies and broken promises of the Dems, how the Dems are the same as the Reps, and how USAns need to vote for a 3rd party.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu3lyakulFI

MarquisdeSade1

07-10-22, 01:41

Yes, my country has open borders to nearby countries. Anyone can come and live here. Whereas USA has NAFTA. USA only wants the goods, not the people. Typical pig-headed and selfish approach.

No socialist compalins about people having an opportunity to better themselves. What they want is that opportunity. Your approach denies them that. If someone has the misfortune to be born in a less desirable country, they are consigned to a life of poverty and destitution. But II guess you, being a USA neo-lib, wouldn't care. It's not your problem. As long as YOU are ok, the world is just great.Anymore of your verbal diarrhoea.

https://reason.com/2015/07/28/on-immigration-bernie-sanders-sounds-lik/

MarquisdeSade1

07-10-22, 02:36

Maybe he got metoo'd?https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/09/hunter-biden-jill-biden-is-selfish-silly-entitled-cnt/

MarquisdeSade1

07-10-22, 02:47

Chris P

07-10-22, 03:49

I wrote this post nearly nine months ago, way back on 10/16/21.

Steve Bannon faces trial later this month (in July) And I think his last-ditch efforts to avoid jail show his cowardice.I assume you will support Eric Holder being arrested and imprisoned for defying a congressional subpoena ten years ago?

Oops, no, sorry, he was a high level democrat. And as we all know, from Nancy's insider trading to Bill's rapes to Hunter and Joe's kickbacks to Hillary's emails, and many more besides, the law doesn't apply to them. For now.

JustTK

07-10-22, 13:50

Really? You let homeless bums come and live in your house? Methinks you are talking rubbish, not for the first time.
Simply bcos you don't like the answer, doesn't mean you can discard it as incorrect. It is correct.

But the underclass in the third world (the left end of the bell curve: low IQ, flaky doofuses who would fail anywhere) don't have a welfare teat to suck on in the third world. So they have nothing to lose by making the trek north to get gibs from Uncle Sam, drop an anchor baby, maybe do a couple days a week of casual untaxed labor off the books.I don't grant you that for one minute. I am sure many people in UK (or wherever) said the same thing about your ancestors when they fled to the USA to seek a better life. But regardless, I want to ask you this. What moral system do you have that requires you to think that only people with a high IQ should seek a decent quality of life?:

- Intelligence can be heredity. Some people are born unlucky in that regard. Why should they suffer a life of poverty?

- Intelligence can be learned. Some people are born in to poor socieities where this skill is not promoted. Why should they suffer a life of poverty?

- Education is learned. Some people are born in countries with very poor education systems. Why should they suffer a life of poverty?

- Educational success is environment. Some people are born in to dysffunctional families, and most are not born with a silver spoon in their mouth where they can go to private school. Why should they suffer a life of poverty?

**When people are born in to privilege, equality often feels like oppression*.

MarquisdeSade1

07-10-22, 14:48

https://www.newsmax.com/jeffcrouere/midterms-2022-elections-democrats/2022/07/05/id/1077352/

PVMonger

07-10-22, 15:02

Nobody is saying the flaky losers and criminals who break into the US are going to become lawyers, engineers and doctors. They aren't. The vast majority simply lack the IQ, never mind the industriousness, English language skills, or whatever else.

What they do is first get welfare gibsmedats, which adds into the national debt. Not only direct cash handouts to them, but the cost of housing them, flying them around, giving them healthcare (and many of them have various diseases), giving them legal aid, the infrastructure and logistics of setting up the legal processes which they all just ignore anyway, and much more. It all adds up. You're a democrat so you probably have a makework govt job or on welfare yourself so you don't understand the reality of how costs build up, but trust me, they do.

Then they have anchor babies. As the old song goes: "We have a hobby, it's called breeding. Welfare payments for baby feeding". More healthcare, free gibs, free education, free child services, etc, etc (when I say "free", of course, I mean "added to the $30 trillion national debt)..First off, you and every other RethugliKKKan on this board have posted many times in the past that people are crossing the border to take American jobs. I will happily relay those post numbers if you want. And every RethugliKKKan politician says the same thing. So what you just admitted was that you lied. The only "jobs" these folks "take" are the ones you and your "real American" brothers refuse to do. Like mucking out stalls or picking fruit or somesuch.

And yet somehow you failed to mention (surprise, surprise, surprise) the taxes these folks pay. Every time these workers buy something, they pay taxes. In states without an income tax, they pay even more taxes. Or that, since these folks often purchase "fake" SS cards, that they pay into FICA without ever getting a dime in return. Or that these undocumented workers are often paid less than minimum wage. Or that the businesses that hire these undocumented workers are mostly owned by (yep, you guessed it) RETHUGLIKKKANS. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/09/undocumented-immigrants-and-taxes/499604/ and https://www.texastribune.org/2016/12/16/undocumented-workers-finding-jobs-underground-econ/.

And your "welfare" tripe is just that. Tripe. The standard RethugliKKKan hogwash littany of complaints that, of course, leaves out the 1996 Welfare Reform act. https://www.brookings.edu/research/welfare-benefits-for-non-citizens/ and https://aspe.hhs.gov/reports/summary-immigrant-eligibility-restrictions-under-current-law Of course, you'll say "But they can still get 'state welfare benefits'. " What is interesting is that you RethugliKKKans say "states rights" only when it suits you. If course, there hasn't been a RethugliKKKan, ever, who actually understood that.

By the way, unless you are a "Native American" (you would call them Indians but you'd be wrong), you are an immigrant.

You need to get a source of information that isn't so biased, but the bottom line is that your Klan robe is showing.

PVMonger

07-10-22, 15:27

Really? You let homeless bums come and live in your house? Methinks you are talking rubbish, not for the first time.

Most people in the third world are perfectly content there. They have jobs and an adequate standard of living. Many people in third world countries are wealthier than the underclass in the US.

But the underclass in the third world (the left end of the bell curve: low IQ, flaky doofuses who would fail anywhere) don't have a welfare teat to suck on in the third world. So they have nothing to lose by making the trek north to get gibs from Uncle Sam, drop an anchor baby, maybe do a couple days a week of casual untaxed labor off the books.From the tone of this post, you are clueless about third world countries and their populations. You are clueless about the attitude of the citizenry. Mexico, for example, has a "minimum daily wage" floor of about $120 pesos per day. That's about $6 US dollars per day for a 10 hour day. "Minimum daily wage" is, of course, for extremely low skill jobs, like ditch diggers. But even folks with a higher skill level rarely make more than $300 pesos per day which is about $15 USD.

Now, do these folks making $15 USD per day have jobs? Sure, Do they have an adequate standard of living? That depends upon how one defines adequate, doesn't it? If by adequate, do you mean do they have a roof over their head? If so, then the answer is yes. But if by adequate do you mean do they have hot water in their dwelling? If not, then the answer is no.

Are some in third world countries wealthier than the poor in the US? Sure, but not by much. Many physicians in Mexico earn about $35,000 USD per year. Poverty level in the US for a family of 4 is about $26,000 per year.

You white robe is showing.

MarquisdeSade1

07-10-22, 16:01

Simply bcos you don't like the answer, doesn't mean you can discard it as incorrect. It is correct.

I don't grant you that for one minute. I am sure many people in UK (or wherever) said the same thing about your ancestors when they fled to the USA to seek a better life. But regardless, I want to ask you this. What moral system do you have that requires you to think that only people with a high IQ should seek a decent quality of life?:

- Intelligence can be heredity. Some people are born unlucky in that regard. Why should they suffer a life of poverty?

- Intelligence can be learned. Some people are born in to poor socieities where this skill is not promoted. Why should they suffer a life of poverty?

- Education is learned. Some people are born in countries with very poor education systems. Why should they suffer a life of poverty?

- Educational success is environment. Some people are born in to dysffunctional families, and most are not born with a silver spoon in their mouth where they can go to private school. Why should they suffer a life of poverty?

**When people are born in to privilege, equality often feels like oppression*.Or is that where you're from? Do they not have any use for you?

ScatManDoo

07-10-22, 16:17

I assume you will support Eric Holder being arrested and imprisoned for defying a congressional subpoena ten years ago?

Oops, no, sorry, he was a high level democrat. And as we all know, from Nancy's insider trading to Bill's rapes to Hunter and Joe's kickbacks to Hillary's emails, and many more besides, the law doesn't apply to them. For now.Take your claims to 60 courts to be laughed at by more than just ISG.

MarquisdeSade1

07-10-22, 16:28

Katie Halper on the lies and broken promises of the Dems, how the Dems are the same as the Reps, and how USAns need to vote for a 3rd party.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu3lyakulFIhttps://www.breitbart.com/economy/2022/07/10/washington-post-coyotes-schedule-migrant-crossings-to-help-catch-and-release-policy/

Villainy

07-10-22, 16:38

Anymore of your verbal diarrhoea.

https://reason.com/2015/07/28/on-immigration-bernie-sanders-sounds-lik/When it comes to 'verbal diarrhea' nobody needs a abundant supply of Kaopectate more than you.

Elvis 2008

07-10-22, 17:55

Let's first start with It requires more energy to exhale than inhale. Hogwash. Inhalation is an "active" process whereas "exhalation" is passive. Of course "some" exhalation requires work, like using a spirometer. Here are two articles that don't have too many bigly words in them. Where are your sources, by the way?Wrong.

Oxygen levels did not go down in people who worked out: http://ajbasweb.com/old/ajbas/2013/August/446-449.pdf.

Generally, for somebody in a rested state, their blood oxygen is going to be 99 percent saturated. Even in an individual who's performing some type of aerobic exercise, their oxygen saturation is not going to go down that much," says Dr. John Smith, Associate Professor at Texas A&M University San Antonio.

As for oxygen "helping", there was this:

Some studies have shown that supplemental oxygen could improve recovery time during interval training, while others have found no significant improvement in those who used got a boost of oxygen. Other studies have shown that there is no effect of supplemental oxygen on recovery.

Excess CO2 was significantly correlated with the increase in lactic acid from resting to 10 min post-exercise.

So while oxygen saturation levels do not go down with exercise, CO2 and lactate levels certainly go higher, and the indication to use a ventilator is going to be determine more often that not by carbon dioxide levels and not oxygen. In fact, 100% oxygen is a toxin.

https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/why-does-breathing-pure-oxygen-kill-you/

Our blood has evolved to capture the oxygen we breathe in and bind it safely to the transport molecule called haemoglobin. If you breathe air with a much higher than normal O2 concentration, the oxygen in the lungs overwhelms the blood's ability to carry it away.

Given your moronic "oxygen is good" binary view of the world, now we have found a second way for you to kill yourself. "Hey, I am short of breath, give me 100% oxygen because oxygen is good."

So let us go back now to Cuomo, the governor showing "real leadership", and what he said that made so much sense to you. Hey, people are short of breath with low oxygen levels, let us put them on ventilators.

So what did I just show you? In a properly functioning lung, low oxygen is never a problem. So when you have low oxygen levels, you have to identify the cause of low oxygen. Was that done?

Furthermore, fatigue is not shown to be due to low oxygen levels but correlated with high CO2 and lactate levels. Were those levels being checked prior to someone being put on a ventilator?

So someone who comes in with low oxygen, pin point pupils, breathing twice a minute, and has track marks on their arms, do you put that person on a ventilator or do you identify the cause of the low oxygen and correct it? What do you do in the above case?

IMO the call for ventilators was based on hysteria. We have all these people with Covid with low oxygen. Gee, duh, ventilators give people more oxygen. Gee, duh, we need more ventilators.

This is dumb Dem moronic hysteria. The first rule of medicine is do no harm. The first rule of politics is "do something". The second dumb Dem rule is no matter what you are doing when you are "doing something" is you defend what you did politically and never admit you are wrong. So lockdowns, hand sanitizers, social distancing, masks, vaccines, travel bans, closing schools, and ventilators were all good.

Then there is always the same over reach. Hell, can you imagine if we did not implement those things?

The problem with that standard line of BS with Covid is you can contrast and compare, and all the measures you dumb Dems were so passionate about studies showed they did either nothing or had very marginal effects.

And that is dumb Dem "science", politics masquerading as science.

Elvis 2008

07-10-22, 18:20

Yes, my country has open borders to nearby countries. Anyone can come and live here. Whereas USA has NAFTA. USA only wants the goods, not the people. Typical pig-headed and selfish approach.JustTK, when I asked an economist about Turkey being admitted to the EU, I was told they absolutely would not be, and the reason is Turkey is mostly Islamic. And there has been criticism of Muslims not assimilating into European society, and I do not think all Europeans would have fondness with regards to the number of Muslims who have entered Europe.

With regards to immigration, I wholeheartedly want as many legal immigrants as possible. When it comes to economic strength of a nation's economy, it is beneficial to admit people age 18 to 65 as they are a net benefit to a society versus a cost. Instead of assessing the value of an immigrant to our society, the Democrats have put a value not on the benefit or risk that individual has to society but how that person is going to vote. Anybody in their 50's who does not want social security and Medicare to die knows we need young, hard working immigrants.

The issue is what we want then. Do we want criminals or hard working law abiding citizens? I do not want a citizen whose first action when entering the USA is breaking the law. Do we want people who are going to reject our culture and create conflict or assimilate within to it?

So the issue I have is not disallowing people to enter. It is treating the illegal and legal people the same and a failure to screen for the criminal element. There are doctors and engineers who do want to come to the USA but they are not the ones crawling under fences.

The real issue with immigration is that the pols are not looking at which immigrants enter society but projecting how they will vote. I think all the issues could be solved if society's needs were put first over the interests of the pols.

You can get a credit report to see if someone is a good or bad credit risk in 2 seconds. You should be able to do a citizenship test just as fast.

PVMonger

07-10-22, 20:27

Wrong.

Oxygen levels did not go down in people who worked out: http://ajbasweb.com/old/ajbas/2013/August/446-449.pdf.

Generally, for somebody in a rested state, their blood oxygen is going to be 99 percent saturated. Even in an individual who's performing some type of aerobic exercise, their oxygen saturation is not going to go down that much," says Dr. John Smith, Associate Professor at Texas A&M University San Antonio.

As for oxygen "helping", there was this:

Some studies have shown that supplemental oxygen could improve recovery time during interval training, while others have found no significant improvement in those who used got a boost of oxygen. Other studies have shown that there is no effect of supplemental oxygen on recovery.

Excess CO2 was significantly correlated with the increase in lactic acid from resting to 10 min post-exercise.

So while oxygen saturation levels do not go down with exercise, CO2 and lactate levels certainly go higher, and the indication to use a ventilator is going to be determine more often that not by carbon dioxide levels and not oxygen. In fact, 100% oxygen is a toxin.

https://www.sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/why-does-breathing-pure-oxygen-kill-you/

Our blood has evolved to capture the oxygen we breathe in and bind it safely to the transport molecule called haemoglobin. If you breathe air with a much higher than normal O2 concentration, the oxygen in the lungs overwhelms the blood's ability to carry it away.

Given your moronic "oxygen is good" binary view of the world, now we have found a second way for you to kill yourself. "Hey, I am short of breath, give me 100% oxygen because oxygen is good."

So let us go back now to Cuomo, the governor showing "real leadership", and what he said that made so much sense to you. Hey, people are short of breath with low oxygen levels, let us put them on ventilators.

So what did I just show you? In a properly functioning lung, low oxygen is never a problem. So when you have low oxygen levels, you have to identify the cause of low oxygen. Was that done?

Furthermore, fatigue is not shown to be due to low oxygen levels but correlated with high CO2 and lactate levels. Were those levels being checked prior to someone being put on a ventilator?

So someone who comes in with low oxygen, pin point pupils, breathing twice a minute, and has track marks on their arms, do you put that person on a ventilator or do you identify the cause of the low oxygen and correct it? What do you do in the above case?

IMO the call for ventilators was based on hysteria. We have all these people with Covid with low oxygen. Gee, duh, ventilators give people more oxygen. Gee, duh, we need more ventilators.

This is dumb Dem moronic hysteria. The first rule of medicine is do no harm. The first rule of politics is "do something". The second dumb Dem rule is no matter what you are doing when you are "doing something" is you defend what you did politically and never admit you are wrong. So lockdowns, hand sanitizers, social distancing, masks, vaccines, travel bans, closing schools, and ventilators were all good.

Then there is always the same over reach. Hell, can you imagine if we did not implement those things?

The problem with that standard line of BS with Covid is you can contrast and compare, and all the measures you dumb Dems were so passionate about studies showed they did either nothing or had very marginal effects.

And that is dumb Dem "science", politics masquerading as science.Thank you so much for not answering my complaint. I was responding to some RethugliKKKan moron who claimed that it took more energy to exhale than to inhale. I proved him wrong. What you did was, well, I don't know. More stupidity?

When will you idiots learn that altering one's approach to solving a problem comes from the experience gained by trying to solve the problem. That is how science works, believe it or not. But not for you guys, though. You would rather just sit back and let the problem persist and blame everybody and anybody.

There was not a single doctor, during the early stages of the pandemic, that advocated for an approach other than ventilation. But it is very easy to look backwards with 20/20 hindsight and say, gee, we should've done this. But 20/20 hindsight is what you're about, isn't it?

You dumb RethugliKKKans love to spout stuff but you never have any sources to back up your claims. Why is that? You claim that lockdowns, hand sanitizers, social distancing, masks, vaccines, travel bans, closing schools, and ventilators didn't do much or did nothing. But proof? Nope, you don't have that. Well, you do have stuff that shows up on rightwingnut sources and, since you believe that everything else is "fake newZ", that's what you're left with. Just like Rudy "We have lots of theories but no proof" Giuliani.

PVMonger

07-10-22, 20:52

JustTK, when I asked an economist about Turkey being admitted to the EU, I was told they absolutely would not be, and the reason is Turkey is mostly Islamic. And there has been criticism of Muslims not assimilating into European society, and I do not think all Europeans would have fondness with regards to the number of Muslims who have entered Europe.

With regards to immigration, I wholeheartedly want as many legal immigrants as possible. When it comes to economic strength of a nation's economy, it is beneficial to admit people age 18 to 65 as they are a net benefit to a society versus a cost. Instead of assessing the value of an immigrant to our society, the Democrats have put a value not on the benefit or risk that individual has to society but how that person is going to vote. Anybody in their 50's who does not want social security and Medicare to die knows we need young, hard working immigrants.

The issue is what we want then. Do we want criminals or hard working law abiding citizens? I do not want a citizen whose first action when entering the USA is breaking the law. Do we want people who are going to reject our culture and create conflict or assimilate within to it?

So the issue I have is not disallowing people to enter. It is treating the illegal and legal people the same and a failure to screen for the criminal element. There are doctors and engineers who do want to come to the USA but they are not the ones crawling under fences.

The real issue with immigration is that the pols are not looking at which immigrants enter society but projecting how they will vote. I think all the issues could be solved if society's needs were put first over the interests of the pols..

You can get a credit report to see if someone is a good or bad credit risk in 2 seconds. You should be able to do a citizenship test just as fast.You seem to be following that standard RethugliKKKan mantra of "illegal immigrants are criminals". Nothing is further from the truth. Texas is the state that has the longest border with Mexico, right? So it should follow that Texas would have more "illegal immigrants" that almost every other state. It should also follow that if Texas did a crime rate study, it would show that "illegal immigrants" commit more crimes. And yet, it doesn't. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117.

In fact, what the above study shows is that US-born citizens commit crimes at a higher rate than "illegal immigrants". Oh, and by the way, the study was peer reviewed.

Now, you might ask why the study only involved Texas. It turns out that Texas, thanks in part to their nearly brain-dead RethugliKKKan governor and completely brain-dead RethugliKKKan-run legislature, is the only state that captures the immigration status of arrestees. So, according to you, the Texas "illegal immigrant" population must be more law-abiding than the rest of the country.

As to the rest of your nonsense, the "Democrats want illegal immigrants to vote blue" ignores the fact that illegal immigrants can not vote in Federal elections. The remainder is simply "replacement theory" spun a little differently. All RethugliKKKan bullshit.

And, by the way, if a citizenship test had been required of Cheeto Tweeto prior to his running for President, he'd have failed.

Xpartan

07-10-22, 21:30

Wrong.

Oxygen levels did not go down in people who worked out: http://ajbasweb.com/old/ajbas/2013/August/446-449.pdf.

Generally, for somebody in a rested state, their blood oxygen is going to be BLAH BLAH BLAH. Live it to Elvis to hide his mind-boggling ignorance behind the facade of big words.

So what did I just show you? You have showed me (and everyone else who hasn't been lazy to click on the links you provided) that you don't even understand what you're quoting.

Abstract: The aim of this study was to investigate changes in oxygen saturation of soccer players with short-term exercise. For this purpose, two groups were generated from soccer players (n=10) and sedentaries (n=8). Wingate protocol was applied to the groups as a model for short-term exercise. Oxygen saturation (SpO2) were measured before and immediately after the test. Also, age, weight with height data and bioelectrical impedance analysis, body mass index (BMI), basal metabolic rate (BMR), resting heart rate (HRrest), systolic blood pressure (SBP), diastolic blood pressure (DBP), body fat percentage (%BF), fat mass (FM) and fat free mass (FFM) data were taken before the test. Paired Samples T for intra-group comparison and Independent Samples T tests to compare groups were used. According to analysis of pre-and post-test SpO2 data of the groups, it was detected that there was a significant fall between the two tests in soccer players group (p<0.05) and a fall in sedentary group but not significant (p>0.05). When the groups were compared, any significance was not found in SpO2 data between two groups (p>0.05). As a result, it can be said that short-term exercise reduces the oxygen saturation but regular exercise doesnt affect the change in oxygen saturation in short-term exercise.Even if you're too lazy to read the abstract, the last two sentences tell you everything you need to know. Granted, the wording here could've been more eloquent, but if you pay attention it becomes clear that:

1. Short-term exercise does reduce the oxygen saturation. Which, by the way, is totally non-surprising.

2. But whether or not you work out on a regular basis does not make any difference in terms of oxygen saturation in short-term exercise.

In other words, no, the study doesn't conclude that "oxygen levels did not go down in people who worked out" as you put it. That's a pure lunacy. If anything, the study you linked to DID show that exercising DOES immediately reduce oxygen saturations after working out, which is exactly the opposite of your 'thesis'.

Learn how to read or stop quoting things you don't understand.

Sheesh.

Chris P

07-11-22, 04:45

Take your claims to 60 courts....You didn't answer the question. You said you want Steve Bannon to be imprisoned for refusing to respond to a congressional subpoena. Do you want Eric Holder to be imprisoned for doing exactly the same thing?

Chris P

07-11-22, 04:58

From the tone of this post, you are clueless about third world countries and their populations. You are clueless about the attitude of the citizenry. Mexico, for example, has a "minimum daily wage" floor of about $120 pesos per day. That's about $6 US dollars per day for a 10 hour day. "Minimum daily wage" is, of course, for extremely low skill jobs, like ditch diggers. But even folks with a higher skill level rarely make more than $300 pesos per day which is about $15 USD.

Now, do these folks making $15 USD per day have jobs? Sure, Do they have an adequate standard of living? That depends upon how one defines adequate, doesn't it? If by adequate, do you mean do they have a roof over their head? If so, then the answer is yes. But if by adequate do you mean do they have hot water in their dwelling? If not, then the answer is no.

Are some in third world countries wealthier than the poor in the US? Sure, but not by much. Many physicians in Mexico earn about $35,000 USD per year. Poverty level in the US for a family of 4 is about $26,000 per year.
And yet they all keep living, getting up every day, getting married and having kids (more than in the US!) The vast majority have food, shelter, family, and are doing just fine. In fact they're much happier than the average neurotic childless American leftist SSRI-guzzling urban cubicle wageslave bugman / catlady paying 75% of their salary after tax to rent a tiny apartment in some crime-, junkie- and poop-riddled democrat city where the cops have been defunded.

Chris P

07-11-22, 05:06

In fact, what the above study shows is that US-born citizens commit crimes at a higher rate than "illegal immigrants". Oh, and by the way, the study was peer reviewed.Haha! It was "peer reviewed" was it? So Marxist Professor Bergstein said Marxist Professor Steinberg got it right? Well that's put my mind at ease. Funny how they never extol the virtues of uncontrolled mass third world immigration to Israel. Why would they want them to miss out on all that strength through diversity (TM)?

Obviously it's bullshit like 98% of what non-STEM universities churn out. Regardless, it's like saying "the homeless bum who broke into my house made less of a mess than my family". I don't give a shit. My family are my family, and I'll deal with whatever mess they make. What I do not want is some uninvited bum in my house regardless of the amount of mess they make (which in reality is of course much more).

Elvis 2008

07-11-22, 06:30

BLAH BLAH BLAH. Live it to Elvis to hide his mind-boggling ignorance behind the facade of big words.

You have showed me (and everyone else who hasn't been lazy to click on the links you provided) that you don't even understand what you're quoting.

Even if you're too lazy to read the abstract, the last two sentences tell you everything you need to know. Granted, the wording here could've been more eloquent, but if you pay attention it becomes clear that:

1. Short-term exercise does reduce the oxygen saturation. Which, by the way, is totally non-surprising.

2. But whether or not you work out on a regular basis does not make any difference in terms of oxygen saturation in short-term exercise.LOL. [Deleted by Admin] A person starts on a treadmill and the oxygen saturation is 97%. It goes down to 95% and then goes up to 96% when that person starts breathing faster and he gets fatigued and stops. So what is the point I was making?

And your point is that I was wrong about everything because 95 is less than 97? So? What does that have to do in the context of anything? What is an abnormal oxygen saturation you fool?

Maybe you should put on a pulse oximeter and see what it says. Tell you what if it is 95%, make sure you go to a doctor and listen to PVM and ask to be put on a ventilator because according to your pea sized brain, that is not normal but low and your fellow dumb Dem PVMonger thinks you always treat low oxygen with a ventilator.

Or maybe ask for an oxygen mask delivering 100% oxygen. That will put your number up from 95 to 100, and that is better right? 100% is higher than 95% and more oxygen is always good right?

Chris P

07-11-22, 06:57

Or that the businesses that hire these undocumented workers are mostly owned by (yep, you guessed it) REPUBLICANS.For once, your witless flailings have accidentally stumbled onto a valuable point. The RINO / Chamber of Commerce / Cuckservative types who want illegals for their own nefarious and selfish means are indeed a huge problem, perhaps even bigger than the wacko left.

Fortunately, we are in the process of removing these vile parasites from the GOP. See the Liz Cheney primary next month for an update.

Elvis 2008

07-11-22, 07:38

There was not a single doctor, during the early stages of the pandemic, that advocated for an approach other than ventilation. But it is very easy to look backwards with 20/20 hindsight and say, gee, we should've done this. But 20/20 hindsight is what you're about, isn't it?.Oh really? You polled all of them? How the fuck do you know that?

The two major causes of hypoxemia are shunting and VQ mismatch. You know how you tell them apart shit for brains? Response to oxygen. VQ mismatches have dramatic responses to oxygen and shunts do not. Seeing as how you are all knowledgeable about what doctors think, shit for brains, you tell me which was the mechanism of hypoxemia with Covid, shunting or VQ mismatch?

You talked to all these doctors right? What did they say? Oh, you lied and made that up. You did not talk to all these experts. You did the common narcissist dumb dem thing and assumed that all the experts agreed with you.

And in your dumb Dem mind, the "experts" cannot be wrong with anything.

So when the first person I saw with Covid had an immediate and dramatic response to oxygen, I knew it was a VQ mismatch. And time after time, I kept seeing the same thing. Pneumonia causes shunts. Clots cause VQ mismatches. The point is that as long as they are keeping their CO2 levels somewhat normal and are not exhausted, the proper course is to ignore the oxygen levels and keep them off the ventilator.

And you know why shit for brains? Because when you put someone on a ventilator, you have to sedate them and often paralyze them so they do not move. And you know what happens to blood clots when there is no movement? Well, let us just say they do not get better.

In your caveman mind, ventilators give people oxygen, and there is no possible way oxygen levels can get worse, but that is exactly what happens with blood clots and immobility. They get worse.

So making the assumption that hypoxemia was due to a shunt and not a VQ mismatch, people were prematurely put on ventilators and many died needlessly.

The example I gave you was of someone who had a heroin overdose. You do not put that person on a ventilator but apply the antidote, and they will usually snap out of their hypoxemic ways.

The standard of care is not if someone has low oxygen, you put them on a ventilator. The standard of care is to identify the cause of hypoxemia and fix the underlying issue. The standard of care with Covid patients was NOT followed early on then.

Maybe you take solace with all the blowhard experts who shouted on MSNBC that ventilators were needed. You seem to think it is acceptable if people needlessly die as long as you have experts to back you up. Sorry, shit for brains, but any expert advocating for ventilators was dead wrong and anything but an expert, and the information was there to anyone who knew what they were doing.

The dumb Dem method is as long as you have a group of so called experts, you can be the biggest fuck up you want.

And the other thing is there is absolutely, positively no way the experts will ever get together and promote a common POV for their own self-interest. That never happens. Anyone saying that experts can be swayed is a conspiracy theorist nut job.

And are you certain that not one doctor screaming for ventilators did not own a ventilator company or somehow benefitted from people being on ventilators? I guess seeing as how you knew every doctor who treated a sick Covid patient, you did background on whether or not they had a financial conflict of interest right?

Elvis 2008

07-11-22, 07:58

You seem to be following that standard RethugliKKKan mantra of "illegal immigrants are criminals". Nothing is further from the truth.https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-enter-illegally.html

For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both.

Hey, dummy when an illegal immigrant breaks the law and comes into this country illegally and is arrested, that is not racism. It is called enforcing the law.

So it should follow that Texas would have more "illegal immigrants" that almost every other state. It should also follow that if Texas did a crime rate study, it would show that "illegal immigrants" commit more crimes. And yet, it doesn't. In fact, what the above study shows is that US-born citizens commit crimes at a higher rate than "illegal immigrants". Oh, and by the way, the study was peer reviewed.Everyone who crossed the border illegally is a criminal. You will have to explain to me how it is possible to have a higher rate than 100%.

As to the rest of your nonsense, the "Democrats want illegal immigrants to vote blue" ignores the fact that illegal immigrants can not vote in Federal elections. The remainder is simply "replacement theory" spun a little differently. All RethugliKKKan bullshit.So the criminals who broke the law and illegally entered the country just miraculously followed the law once they got here? Well, that would be great, but it is not true.

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/19-aliens-charged-voter-fraud-north-carolina-following-ice-investigation

A federal grand jury in Wilmington charged seven foreign nationals on August 31 on federal felony charges including falsely claiming USA Citizenship or making false statements on voter registration application, and with misdemeanor charges of unlawfully casting ballots in the 2016 presidential election. Non-citizens are not eligible to register to vote or to vote in federal elections under USA Law.

And, by the way, if a citizenship test had been required of Cheeto Tweeto prior to his running for President, he'd have failed.Well, he could at least fill out the paper. Your guy Biden is so demented that he would need six handlers to fill in one space.

Axel Heyst

07-11-22, 13:19

Just out, Snoop Dogg's new premium cannabis brand called, "Sleepy Joe OG. " It's a brilliant commentary on Joe Blow's lack of lucidity. The caption reads.

"You won't even remember the country you're in!" KKK /555.

Say what you want about Snoop's music, I am not a fan, but everyone has to admit the guy is a genius at marketing. Man, I want to buy some of this shit for a souvenir and a toke (ha ha). A generation from now future Americans won't believe we had a mentally impaired President suffering from dementia in office while the people around the president in the White House publicly denied the obvious.

PVMonger

07-11-22, 15:21

https://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-enter-illegally.html

For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both.

Hey, dummy when an illegal immigrant breaks the law and comes into this country illegally and is arrested, that is not racism. It is called enforcing the law.

Everyone who crossed the border illegally is a criminal. You will have to explain to me how it is possible to have a higher rate than 100%.

So the criminals who broke the law and illegally entered the country just miraculously followed the law once they got here? Well, that would be great, but it is not true..So, instead of trying to refute the Texas study (which you can't), you harp on entry being illegal. But that's not what you idiots say all the freaking time. You harp on "illegals commit more crimes". Which, as the study proved, simply isn't the case.

And you found seven foreign national who falsely claimed citizenship in order to vote. Wow. Seven whole people? Get back to me when you have proof that the seven is really 700,000.

PVMonger

07-11-22, 15:26

Haha! It was "peer reviewed" was it? So Marxist Professor Bergstein said Marxist Professor Steinberg got it right? Well that's put my mind at ease. Funny how they never extol the virtues of uncontrolled mass third world immigration to Israel. Why would they want them to miss out on all that strength through diversity (TM)?

Obviously it's bullshit like 98% of what non-STEM universities churn out. Regardless, it's like saying "the homeless bum who broke into my house made less of a mess than my family". I don't give a shit. My family are my family, and I'll deal with whatever mess they make. What I do not want is some uninvited bum in my house regardless of the amount of mess they make (which in reality is of course much more).Of course you don't want to believe a study that shows that you have your head up your ass when it comes to the crimes that illegal immigrants commit. If it contradicts your bigoted worldview, it must be wrong. But that's the beauty of being able to portray everything that contradicts your bigoted worldview as "fake news".

Elvis 2008

07-11-22, 19:56

And you found seven foreign national who falsely claimed citizenship in order to vote. Wow. Seven whole people? Get back to me when you have proof that the seven is really 700,000.https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/02/09/republicans-came-within-90000-votes-controlling-all-washington/

In fact, Republicans came, at most, 43,000 votes from winning each of the three levers of power. And that will surely temper any move toward drastic corrective action vis-a-vis former president Donald Trump.

By saying, you need 700,000 votes minimum, you pretty much conceded that you cheated in 2020.

PVMonger

07-11-22, 19:58

Oh really? You polled all of them? How the fuck do you know that?

The two major causes of hypoxemia are shunting and VQ mismatch. You know how you tell them apart shit for brains? Response to oxygen. VQ mismatches have dramatic responses to oxygen and shunts do not. Seeing as how you are all knowledgeable about what doctors think, shit for brains, you tell me which was the mechanism of hypoxemia with Covid, shunting or VQ mismatch?

You talked to all these doctors right? What did they say? Oh, you lied and made that up. You did not talk to all these experts. You did the common narcissist dumb dem thing and assumed that all the experts agreed with you.

And in your dumb Dem mind, the "experts" cannot be wrong with anything.

So when the first person I saw with Covid had an immediate and dramatic response to oxygen, I knew it was a VQ mismatch. And time after time, I kept seeing the same thing. Pneumonia causes shunts. Clots cause VQ mismatches. The point is that as long as they are keeping their CO2 levels somewhat normal and are not exhausted, the proper course is to ignore the oxygen levels and keep them off the ventilator.

And you know why shit for brains? Because when you put someone on a ventilator, you have to sedate them and often paralyze them so they do not move. And you know what happens to blood clots when there is no movement? Well, let us just say they do not get better.

In your caveman mind, ventilators give people oxygen, and there is no possible way oxygen levels can get worse, but that is exactly what happens with blood clots and immobility. They get worse.

So making the assumption that hypoxemia was due to a shunt and not a VQ mismatch, people were prematurely put on ventilators and many died needlessly.

The example I gave you was of someone who had a heroin overdose. You do not put that person on a ventilator but apply the antidote, and they will usually snap out of their hypoxemic ways.

The standard of care is not if someone has low oxygen, you put them on a ventilator. The standard of care is to identify the cause of hypoxemia and fix the underlying issue. The standard of care with Covid patients was NOT followed early on then.

Maybe you take solace with all the blowhard experts who shouted on MSNBC that ventilators were needed. You seem to think it is acceptable if people needlessly die as long as you have experts to back you up. Sorry, shit for brains, but any expert advocating for ventilators was dead wrong and anything but an expert, and the information was there to anyone who knew what they were doing.

The dumb Dem method is as long as you have a group of so called experts, you can be the biggest fuck up you want.

And the other thing is there is absolutely, positively no way the experts will ever get together and promote a common POV for their own self-interest. That never happens. Anyone saying that experts can be swayed is a conspiracy theorist nut job.

And are you certain that not one doctor screaming for ventilators did not own a ventilator company or somehow benefitted from people being on ventilators? I guess seeing as how you knew every doctor who treated a sick Covid patient, you did background on whether or not they had a financial conflict of interest right?You don't have enough IQ points to decorate a domino.

Look on the internet to find any reputable medical professional who posted anything about thinking about treating COVID any differently in the early stages of the pandemic. There are none. I looked before I made the statement.

The experts changed their minds once they knew more. You still have failed to answer whether or not changing their minds was a good thing or a bad thing. So why not give me a simple answer, shit for brains. If someone changes their mind after knowing more, is that a good thing or a bad thing? I'll wait for you not to answer.

[Deleted by Admin]. Plain and simple.

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Chris P

07-11-22, 20:38

Of course you don't want to believe a study that shows that you have your head up your ass when it comes to the crimes that illegal immigrants commit. If it contradicts your bigoted worldview, it must be wrong. But that's the beauty of being able to portray everything that contradicts your bigoted worldview as "fake news".To nobody's surprise your dim, brainwashed mind missed the point of the second paragraph. Even if they did commit less crime (which they don't) it is still more crime than they would commit if we had a big, beautiful wall to keep them out. Trump 2024. Though frankly we're most probably beyond politics at this point.

MarquisdeSade1

07-11-22, 21:16

So, instead of trying to refute the Texas study (which you can't), you harp on entry being illegal. But that's not what you idiots say all the freaking time. You harp on "illegals commit more crimes". Which, as the study proved, simply isn't the case.

And you found seven foreign national who falsely claimed citizenship in order to vote. Wow. Seven whole people? Get back to me when you have proof that the seven is really 700,000.More or less than American citizens is moot.

A) they shouldn't be here period, so deport every damn last one of them, even the dead ones.

B) if you want to bother discussing their criminality, I will say this, it should be zero, ZERO.

If you illegally invade another country don't you think you shouldn't keep breaking the law if you want to stick around a bit? So don't try to childishly obfuscate the issue by trying to discuss who commits more.

They break the law when they enter, and then continue to, I say hire Charles Bronson as deporter in chief, deport them dead or alive.

ScatManDoo

07-11-22, 21:27

You didn't answer the question. You said you want Steve Bannon to be imprisoned for refusing to respond to a congressional subpoena. Do you want Eric Holder to be imprisoned for doing exactly the same thing?That witch hunt matter was settled.

If the settlement called for imprisonment, then yes.

But we know it did not.

Contrast that with Bannon's not dealing with his subpoena.

Bannon simply ignored his subpoena.

Which was really dumb. TrumpShit dumb.

But Bannon in a leader in Trump's merry band of stupid losers.

He should join them in jail.

Soon he will.

Gino02

07-11-22, 23:18

JustTK

07-11-22, 23:43

But the underclass in the third world (the left end of the bell curve: low IQ, .I would also like to ask you sincerely, what stupendous skill do you possess that means you deserve all your privileges? You know, what wondrous achievement did you manage to be born in the right place at the right time? I. e. Hickville, White Conservativeland?

You could just as easily be one of those "others" that you despise so.

MarquisdeSade1

07-12-22, 00:37

I would also like to ask you sincerely, what stupendous skill do you possess that means you deserve all your privileges? You know, what wondrous achievement did you manage to be born in the right place at the right time? I. e. Hickville, White Conservativeland?

You could just as easily be one of those "others" that you despise so.What wondrous achievement did you manage to be born in the right place at the right time?

Why are you so jealous that we are the "chosen ones".

Even if someones skill is nothing more than picking the parents than "see'est La Vie".

When someone has one the genetic lottery should they pour acid on their face and cut off their limbs?

Just so they can be equal to you?

MarquisdeSade1

07-12-22, 01:04

When it comes to 'verbal diarrhea' nobody needs a abundant supply of Kaopectate more than you.Don't you know "an" is supposed to be before abundant?

I guess we can't expect much from a low rent / low iq inbred cracker like yourself.

I guess GED classes in prison don't provide much value.

MarquisdeSade1

07-12-22, 01:58

What wondrous achievement did you manage to be born in the right place at the right time?

Why are you so jealous that we are the "chosen ones".

Even if someones skill is nothing more than picking the parents than "see'est La Vie".

When someone has one the genetic lottery should they pour acid on their face and cut off their limbs?

Just so they can be equal to you?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO43sQGY4uI

JustTK

07-12-22, 02:29

Why are you so jealous that we are the "chosen ones".
When someone has one the genetic lottery should they pour acid on their face and cut off their limbs.Your inability to understand never fails. Bcos I stand for social and economic justice, u assume I am jealous? Haha...I AM one of the privileged ones too, ufm!

I don't ask for equality of outcome, simply equality of rights and opportunity. Its called empathy, something far beyond the mental capacity of the "chosen ones".

MarquisdeSade1

07-12-22, 02:55

Xpartan

07-12-22, 03:07

LOL. A person starts on a treadmill and the oxygen saturation is 97%. It goes down to 95% and then goes up to 96% when that person starts breathing faster and he gets fatigued and stops. So what is the point I was making?

And your point is that I was wrong about everything because 95 is less than 97? So? What does that have to do in the context of anything?Crackpotting 101.

Step 1. Make a "bold" statement. Here is one off the top of my head: "Oxygen levels did not go down in people who worked out. ".

Step 2. Provide a link to a reliable site, such as a scientific study, but any reputable site will do (http://ajbasweb.com/old/ajbas/2013/August/446-449.pdf). And don't worry if such study directly contradicts your statement (most people won't click anyway).

For those few who will click, here is a step 3.

Step 3. If you're caught redhanded, start laughing. Throw in a few numbers. Call your opponent a fool. And ask them what it has to do in the context of whatever? Now you've introduced a "context".

Step 4. Keep talking. Argue with other people on other topics. Make the forum turn pages for you. Because, seriously, who has the time?

Doing good, Elvis.

EihTooms

07-12-22, 03:13

Most Democrats Don't Want Biden in 2024, New Poll Shows. New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/11/us/politics/biden-approval-polling-2024.html).

Most Republicans knew from 2020 that Biden would be a disaster, but looks like finally most Democrats are also learning that. Well, better late than never, right?

So, what are our esteemed expert Democrats on this thread think now about Biden? Still supporting the junk Joe or finally agreeing that he shouldn't have been the POTUS in the first place?Don't get too excited, kiddies. I remember when Teflon Ronnie's poll rating hit 35% during his first term and there was serious talk of replacing him as the Repub candidate for 1984.

Biden could be 100 years old in 2024 with 99% of Dem voters preferring someone younger with more energy to shout and scowl about problems Repubs created and no POTUS can solve with a magic wand (outlawing Sex-For-Pleasure, Machine Gun Love, High Gas Prices / Inflation Due To Trump's Pandemic Decisions Destroying Global Supply-Chains, etc) and they still would not be dumb enough to vote for numskulls like Trump, DeSantis or any other Repub in meaningful numbers.

Again, not that it will matter who or what the vast majority of the American electorate votes for once the anti American Democracy Repubs install their election-denying QAnon loons in state and local positions to throw out any ballots and not count votes they don't like.

But that is what Repub and Bothsider voters wished for and got when they saddled the country with 50 Repubs and two DINOs in the Senate.

EihTooms

07-12-22, 03:30

Don't you know "an" is supposed to be before abundant?

I guess we can't expect much from a low rent / low iq inbred cracker like yourself.

I guess GED classes in prison don't provide much value.I assume you know that at least twice so far recently you have used the word "one" in place of the word "won" you could only mean, right?

Or maybe you don't know it.

And that can not be blamed on spell-check or an ordinary typo like leaving an "a" for "an".

Just sayin'.

Chris P

07-12-22, 06:05

That witch hunt matter was settled.ROFL so it's a "witch hunt" when a leftist rejects a congressional subpoena, but a jailing offense when a conservative does. I don't know if you people can't see the hypocrisy, or so arrogant that you just don't care. Probably a mix of the two. Either way, the situation is not sustainable and will not last. One way or another, we are taking back our country.

Chris P

07-12-22, 06:16

Your inability to understand never fails. Bcos I stand for social and economic justice, u assume I am jealous? Haha...I AM one of the privileged ones too, ufm!

I don't ask for equality of outcome, simply equality of rights and opportunity. Its called empathy, something far beyond the mental capacity of the "chosen ones".Considering you don't know who Ted Kennedy was, I wouldn't criticize others for their inability to understand anything in this debate.

Different peoples have different cultures and lifestyles. India, Guatemala, Nigeria, wherever, the way people live and think is completely different to the West, and particularly different to the wacko left woke tranny SJW insanity currently infecting a vocal minority.

But guess what. They all keep on keeping on. They have enough to eat, roofs over their heads, families (more so than the West, particularly aforementioned self-hating wacko leftists). Stop obsessing over importing them into a different country to suit your nefarious Great Replacement agenda. Just leave them be to live their lives in their own societies.

Elvis 2008

07-12-22, 06:24

You don't have enough IQ points to decorate a domino.]OMG and you do?

The experts changed their minds once they knew more.No, they fucked up and corrected it after hundreds / thousands died. You keep acting like that Covid hypoxemia was something new. It was not. Mechanisms of hypoxemia were known way prior to Covid.

The standard of care is to identify the cause of low oxygen and correct it. That was known BEFORE Covid. Ignoring that was a huge mistake, and the reason it was done was the same for all the other dumb shit with Covid. "We are doing stuff see how much we care. " The first rule of medicine is do no harm not make yourself look good by "doing stuff".

The amazing part with you dumb Dems is all the stupid shit that was so harmful with Covid you just pretend like it never happened. It is like Russiagate. You fools carried on for years about that. And when all that turned out to be complete bullshit, there was no remorse or apology. It is like it never happened. It was onto the next bullshit lie, "Well, what about Ukrainegate?

You still have failed to answer whether or not changing their minds was a good thing or a bad thing. So why not give me a simple answer, shit for brains. If someone changes their mind after knowing more, is that a good thing or a bad thing? I'll wait for you not to answer.They fucked up! Got that? The experts fucked up, and you want to give them credit when they realized later they were fucking up? You are unfucking real. The only reason you want to give these stupid "experts" sloppy blowjobs after they fucked up is you think they are on your team.