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The way you brush aside any criticisms, any lies, broken promises, from the Dem side, and simply turn the laser back on Trump and his lies and errors. It just shows that YOU and the millions like you, are just as much a problem in the USA as the QAnon crazies and such like. You, just like them, are unable to stare at reality and face the truth. Unless people can admit to their own errors (or the errors of those that they support), there will never be any progress. Bring oiut the nukes.Trump started his self-serving down-playing and working his magic to produce Trump's Pandemic and mass murder at least a million Americans with his "We've got this under control. It is disappearing. It will go away without a vaccine" lies as early as February 2020 and he continued saying it at least deep into October 2020 in the face of overwhelming and mounting evidence he was dead wrong from the first moment he said it:
'It's going to disappear':
A timeline of Trump's claims that Covid-19 will vanish
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/
Please cite the seriously deadly lies Biden and Fauci said about it, for how long in the face of overwhelming and mounting evidence to the contrary and how many Americans who heard it repeated over and over and over again for months and believed it were led to their deaths because of it.
LOL. See, even when you think you are scoring some neutral and brilliant Bothsiderism / Neithersiderism point, you wind up supporting Repub death and destruction instead.
Yes history shows that things were going perfectly after 2 years of Trump and then the China / Dem virus hit and ground was lost. But at the end of the Trump presidency even with Covid it was still much better than it is today. There was no inflation. Gas was $2. 00 a gallon. But most people don't care what happened 2 years ago. 5 years ago or 10 years ago. The majority of Americans worry about what their life is today. And it is far worst than even last year. 20,000,000 households are delinquent in paying their energy bills. Retired people are seeing their nest egg shrink and are forced to go back to work. Blacks and Hispanics are no better today than they were a year ago. Biden has the country in turmoil. Everyone but the rich are suffering one way or another. But you don't care because you are still collecting your social security check and living in a shithole country.Yet, the consensus Poll of Polls on RCP and FiveThirtyEight show Biden's Job Approval and his Favorability Ratings higher than anyone else in a Federal leadership position in any Party, higher than the House, higher than the Senate, beating Trump on a hypothetical 2024 head-to-head contest, higher than Trump's were at this "best of times" point in his so-called presidency before his policies and stewardship nearly destroyed America and the rest of the world and the Dems are preferred over Repubs to control Congress.
With Biden's and the Dems' ratings on the rise.
Oh, Biden's Gallup Job Approval rating is also higher now than all but two other presidents at this same point in their presidency over the past 50+ years (it is not Reagan and Trump, BTW).
So it looks like most people are not really experiencing this "American Carnage" at Biden's and the Dems' hands you think and hope they are.
Maybe you just live in a real shithole neighborhood. Very, very much unlike where my rental property is in beautiful Southern California.
Did Hiliary Clinton take documents outside of the White House? How about Obama? You may accuse me of whataboutism but your guy Garland swore he was applying the law equally to both parties which we know when it comes to Republicans it is a lie. We already have word that the FBI has and had been slow walking the Hunter Biden case.
And yeah, you are right, the government will present to the court all the evidence it has on Trump. The part you do not get is that Trump will file a motion to toss the evidence, and that motion will be pushed up to SCOTUS, and they can toss all that evidence, and the government will have no choice but to drop the case.I assume that you are talking about Hillary and classified documents. HRC did, in fact, use a non-governmental server to conduct government business. There were several email chains that contained classified information. In a statement, then-FBI-director Comey said: "From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department, 110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification. Separate from those, about 2,000 additional e-mails were "up-classified" to make them Confidential; the information in those had not been classified at the time the e-mails were sent. " https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system.
What Clinton did was wrong and she was punished for it. After all, Comey opened another investigation well within the 60-day window that it all likelihood he shouldn't have. Not that you'd believe Comey anyway, though.
Your rant re: Obama has been debunked by NARA multiple times. Just remember that if Donnie the Dumbass or rightwingnut media says anything at all, it is always a lie. The only time that Donnie the Dumbass has ever told the truth is when he said he'd like to fuck his daughter. https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-obama-million-documents-929954890662 https://www.indy100.com/celebrities/donald-trump-ivanka-daughter-inappropriate.
In any case, you are deflecting. Again.
The issue here is that Donnie the Dumbass was illegally in possession of records that didn't belong to him. Period. Here's the timeline for the hundredth time. Donnie the Dumbass left the WH on January 20th, 2021. The NARA started negotiating with him soon afterwards to return the documents that he was illegally in possession of. Donnie the Dumbass did what he does best and stalled. Donnie the Dumbass eventually returned some of the documents in his possession which included 180-some-odd classified documents about 1 year later. When NARA got around to reviewing the material, they found classified documents that Donnie the Dumbass had been in illegal possession of and contacted the DOJ. The DOJ investigated and issued a subpoena for the return of the rest of the documents that Donnie the Dumbass stole. Then, in early June, 2022, Donnie the Dumbass did something else that he does well. He got his crackpot legal team to lie for him. Again. He had his lawyers sign an affidavit stating that they had done an "exhaustive (or was it extensive) search" and said that other than the 38 classified documents that they gave the DOJ on the spot, that there were no more classified documents at Mar-a-Lago. The DOJ, of course, didn't believe a word of it because they had witnesses that said otherwise. They had video proof that said otherwise. So they raided the place and found (surprise, surprise, surprise) more documents that didn't belong there.
Regardless of how you and the rest of the Moron Brigade and rightwingnut media try to spin this, the HRC thing and the Donnie the Dumbass thing are in no way comparable. The Hunter Biden laptop is not comparable. The only person stupid enough to think that storing classified government documents in a country club is Donnie the Dumbass. Well, OK, all of his supporters. And all of rightwingnut media. And every RethugliKKKan. I guess I was wrong, it isn't just one person, it is the entire cult.
LOL. Yeah, and everything was going perfectly in the 18 months before Biden took over.
Even better than the way things were going in the 6 months before Obama took over.
And the 6 months before Clinton took over.
And the 3 years before Carter took over.
And the 8 years before JFK / LBJ took over.
And the 4 years before FDR took over.
Yep. Dems just don't know how to play the winning hands they are always dealt by the outgoing Repubs. Lololol.Exactly. You finally got it right.
Trump started his self-serving down-playing and working his magic to produce Trump's Pandemic and mass murder at least a million Americans with his "We've got this under control. It is disappearing. It will go away without a vaccine" lies as early as February 2020 and he continued saying it at least deep into October 2020 in the face of overwhelming and mounting evidence he was dead wrong from the first moment he said it:
'It's going to disappear':
A timeline of Trump's claims that Covid-19 will vanish
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/
Please cite the seriously deadly lies Biden and Fauci said about it, for how long in the face of overwhelming and mounting evidence to the contrary and how many Americans who heard it repeated over and over and over again for months and believed it were led to their deaths because of it.
LOL. See, even when you think you are scoring some neutral and brilliant Bothsiderism / Neithersiderism point, you wind up supporting Repub death and destruction instead.And not only did Donnie the Dumbass lie with a straight face to the public, in private, to a reporter, he said (on audio tape) that he knew that COVID was serious.
Somehow the Moron Brigade seems to forget that salient fact. Everybody else with a functioning brain knew that Donnie the Dumbass lied because he's like a used-car salesman. The only time he lies is when his lips move.
Please cite the seriously deadly lies Biden and Fauci said about it,
See, even when you think you are scoring some neutral and brilliant Bothsiderism / Neithersiderism point, .I did, and you just proved my point once again. You just brush aside the criticism by dressing it up in terms you think you can attack the oppoosition on. In your belief you think Biden and Fauci's lies didn't lead directly to deaths, so that is how you choose to frame it, and discard their lies bcos in your terms they were not dangerous.
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I did, and you just proved my point once again. You just brush aside the criticism by dressing it up in terms you think you can attack the oppoosition on. In your belief you think Biden and Fauci's lies didn't lead directly to deaths, so that is how you choose to frame it, and discard their lies bcos in your terms they were not dangerous.Translation: "You're right. I can't cite even a single one. But you just cited a whole bunch of them coming from Trump."
I did, and you just proved my point once again. You just brush aside the criticism by dressing it up in terms you think you can attack the oppoosition on. In your belief you think Biden and Fauci's lies didn't lead directly to deaths, so that is how you choose to frame it, and discard their lies bcos in your terms they were not dangerous.No, what you did was submit as YouTube video from a comedian and say that it proved that Dr. Fauci lied.
Again, the salient point here is that you wanted every subject matter expert to say something like "I don't have a clue" when asked about COVID. That, of course, would have been the truth. But at what cost? How many times does a subject matter expert have to say "I don't know" before the vast majority of people start thinking "Why is he / she an expert? He / she doesn't know anything". And that's just as bad and probably worse. Because when the general public doesn't believe any subject matter expert, they are more prone to believe idiots who really don't know anything.
Everybody with a functional brain knew that everything about COVID, from how it spread to how to combat it, was a crapshoot. It didn't take a rocket scientist to know that when a health expert was asked a question abolut COVID, he / she was giving their best guess based upon when they knew at the time. It made no difference if the statement was qualified or not. Everybody with a brain that I knew thought that way. Everybody that I knew who didn't have a brain thought otherwise.
The only people who though that those answers were definitive were people preferred to believe the lies they heard from politicians. "We have it under control", "It will go away with the warm weather", "It will go away without a vaccine", "It is just the flu", "Shoving a lightbulb up your ass will cure it".
Yet, the consensus Poll of Polls on RCP and FiveThirtyEight show Biden's Job Approval and his Favorability Ratings higher than anyone else in a Federal leadership position in any Party, higher than the House, higher than the Senate, beating Trump on a hypothetical 2024 head-to-head contest, higher than Trump's were at this "best of times" point in his so-called presidency before his policies and stewardship nearly destroyed America and the rest of the world and the Dems are preferred over Repubs to control Congress.
With Biden's and the Dems' ratings on the rise.
Oh, Biden's Gallup Job Approval rating is also higher now than all but two other presidents at this same point in their presidency over the past 50+ years (it is not Reagan and Trump, BTW).
So it looks like most people are not really experiencing this "American Carnage" at Biden's and the Dems' hands you think and hope they are.
Maybe you just live in a real shithole neighborhood. Very, very much unlike where my rental property is in beautiful Southern California.Why don't democrats running in 2022 election want Biden endorsement if his policies are so great. Only 3 democrats have taken Biden endorsing them. Obviously 90% of the democrats are running away from Biden inflation and Biden border crises. Democrats know Biden policies are killing Americans and don't want to be associated with him.
And not only did Donnie the Dumbass lie with a straight face to the public, in private, to a reporter, he said (on audio tape) that he knew that COVID was serious.
Somehow the Moron Brigade seems to forget that salient fact. Everybody else with a functioning brain knew that Donnie the Dumbass lied because he's like a used-car salesman. The only time he lies is when his lips move.And let's not forget, when Trump was lying in perfect sync with Xi as early as January 2020, grandly announcing that "We have this totally under control! There is one person coming in from China" blah blah blah, he was also lying to Fauci, Biden, Pelosi, you, me, all other world leaders and everyone else on the Planet.
Trump says he trusts Chinas Xi on coronavirus and the US has it totally under control
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/22/trump-on-coronavirus-from-china-we-have-it-totally-under-control.html
"Its one person coming in from China. We have it under control. Its going to be just fine, Trump told CNBCs Joe Kernen from the World Economic Forum in Davos.
The president said he trusts the information coming out of China on the coronavirus, which has killed nine people there and sickened hundreds more.
The coronavirus evoked memories of the 2003 outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome in China. SARS killed nearly 800 people worldwide and led to an economic downturn in the region.So we have the so-called President of the United States of America, with all the best intel on Earth available to him, insisting there are only maybe a hundred Chinese getting sick and just one in the USA and that it will all be over before lunch tomorrow.
Naturally, nobody could yet be certain just how much of a self-serving mass murdering liar the then current President of the United States of America could and would turn out to be about something of such historic importance to the well-being of the entire Planet.
Therefore, regarding masks, Fauci was saying the absolutely right thing based on the lies Trump and Xi were telling everyone. It would have been ridiculous for him to have then told the world to run out to get a mask and wear it whenever you are in crowded conditions based on just 100 people on Earth being infected by it and the USA / China alliance having it "totally under control".
Yet, the Biden / Fauci-bashing numbskulls actually cite his position then, based on the lies he along with everyone else had been told by Trump and Xi, followed by his revising his position as soon as he had intel that contradicted Trump's lies, as "evidence" of Fauci's "flip-flopping" on the need to wear a mask!
LOL. Really, you could not write fictional characters as utterly oblivious to reality as these Trumpers and Bothsider / Neithersiders come to naturally.
Fauci certainly does owe the world an apology, all right, but not for getting the science wrong. No, he owes the world an apology only for not leaping forward in time to see what a murderous liar Trump was and is and for not immediately warning everyone not to believe a word he ever says.
As he said its not bothsiderism, its neithersideism ... A pig (aka.QAnon/Repub party rhetoric), dressed up with lipstick (aka.bothsiderism), ...is still a PIG.
"gun to your head" or not ...
I don't have the proverbial "gun to my head", because I've chosen a side, by voting for the party, that I believe will fight and strive towards a better democracy.
FYI brother, No blind voting here!
So the question still remains, to JustTK, who is going to get him closer to his utopian "Freedom of movement, no borders world"?
The "build the wall", QAnon/Repubs???
Would you rather deep rim Chuck or Mitch? If "rimming", gets you and your QAnon/Repubs/Bothsiders cohorts closer to your dystopian twisted view of democracy, then by all means, have at it.
Always the right thing to do.
Voting for the lesser of 2 evils is.
STILL FUCKING EVIL!! Really? Dude, there's evil ...and then there's E. V. I. L. !!! (ie. QAnon/Repubs)
I'll take the Dems, by far and away, the lesser of two (2) evils, every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Always the right thing to do.
Really? Dude, there's evil ...and then there's E. V. I. L. !!! (ie. QAnon/Repubs)
I'll take the Dems, by far and away, the lesser of two (2) evils, every day of the week and twice on Sundays.I don't believe either are lesser. At least the Reps don't pretend to be anything other than greedy and selfish. The Dems are fraudsters. That was clear when they ruined Sanders' bid. Never was it clearer who the Dem party really favour.
A choice between neo -cons and neo-libs. I want no part of either. Flip a coin if you must.
Does anyone have a list of the party that initiated USA military actions thru history? And coups. Would love to see that. I know already if it comes out as smthg like "Reps 64, Dems 62". ET will claim it as a win. Haha.
Markets are once again down mainly because Biden has to put USA into a deep recession to combat inflation. Once again they will blame Trump. Here are the market numbers of Trump presidency with no inflation.
January 20, 2017 Dow 19,827.
August 6, 2018. Dow 25,502.
Up 29% in 19 months.
January 20, 2021 Dow 30,996.
Dow up 59% during Trump presidency for the four years in office even with the worst pandemic in decades.
Now let's look at Biden record.
January 20,2021 Dow 30,996.
August 6, 2022. Dow 31,145.
Even with the market first quarter increasing before Biden policies took effect the market is up less than 1% in 19 months. And the market continues to go down every day. Obviously Biden policies are not working. Retirees count on markets going up at least 4% annually to maintain their retirement. Obviously they are getting slaughtered.
Nasdaq is much worse down 14% since Biden took office.
Looking back Trump years were much better for everyone than with the Biden disaster.
MarquisdeSade1
09-07-22, 00:31
A pig (aka.QAnon/Repub party rhetoric), dressed up with lipstick (aka.bothsiderism), ...is still a PIG.
I don't have the proverbial "gun to my head", because I've chosen a side, by voting for the party, that I believe will fight and strive towards a better democracy.
FYI brother, No blind voting here!
So the question still remains, to JustTK, who is going to get him closer to his utopian "Freedom of movement, no borders world"?
The "build the wall", QAnon/Repubs???
If "rimming", gets you and your QAnon/Repubs/Bothsiders cohorts closer to your dystopian twisted view of democracy, then by all means, have at it.https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/the-return-dick-morris-book/2022/09/06/id/1086206/
"Its one person coming in from China. We have it under control. Its going to be just fine, Trump told CNBCs Joe Kernen from the World Economic Forum in Davos.BUt I heard Trump say once that ". According to our latest research. ". Therefore that excuses him. Bcos he once uttered those words, these are clearly not lies, its how all science is done. . According to the logic of all the truthwashing neo-lib supremiacists here.
BUt I heard Trump say once that ". According to our latest research. ". Therefore that excuses him. Bcos he once uttered those words, these are clearly not lies, its how all science is done. . According to the logic of all the truthwashing neo-lib supremiacists here.Really? Do you have a link for Trump saying that about his repeated months long deadly lies?
That does not sound like something Trump ever said about anything.
Markets are once again down mainly because Biden has to put USA into a deep recession to combat inflation. Once again they will blame Trump. Here are the market numbers of Trump presidency with no inflation.
January 20, 2017 Dow 19,827.
August 6, 2018. Dow 25,502.
Up 29% in 19 months.
January 20, 2021 Dow 30,996.
Dow up 59% during Trump presidency for the four years in office even with the worst pandemic in decades.
Now let's look at Biden record.
January 20,2021 Dow 30,996..Um. The Dow and the S&P 500 Index are both still higher than they ever were under Trump.
Or any other president.
In only 19 months after the worst hand off in history.
Why don't democrats running in 2022 election want Biden endorsement if his policies are so great. Only 3 democrats have taken Biden endorsing them. Obviously 90% of the democrats are running away from Biden inflation and Biden border crises. Democrats know Biden policies are killing Americans and don't want to be associated with him.The Dems are leading their Repub opponents in the polls without a personal endorsement, by simply citing the positive legislative, recovery and jobs creating accomplishments they and Biden made and the zero positive accomplishments of their Repub opponents.
The tradition is the Party not in the White House wins seats in Congress this time. Therefore, why would candidates from the WH party direct more attention to their alignment with the party in the WH?
That is not a good strategy to overcome one of only two "advantages" the Repubs have going for them; that long time tradition.
The only other Repub "advantage" being the Repub QAnon loons they installed in the positions that gather ballots and count the votes prepared to throw out likely Dem ballots and count only Repub votes.
Other than those considerable advantages, there is no reason Repubs should do anything but lose seats this midterm.
BUt I heard Trump say once that ". According to our latest research. ". Therefore that excuses him. Bcos he once uttered those words, these are clearly not lies, its how all science is done. . According to the logic of all the truthwashing neo-lib supremiacists here.So, by your logic above, Dr. Fauci never lied either because I heard him qualify a statement once. So did President Biden.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/the-return-dick-morris-book/2022/09/06/id/1086206/Wasn't he also a Trump advisor for his landslide defeat in 2020? I assume Morris was also very high on how Trump would win that one, too.
Oh, and I'm sure he must have devoted a paragraph or two back in 2016 to how Trump's endorsements and influence would lead directly to his Party losing the House, the Senate and the White House in a single 4 year term, a first for any so-called potus since Repub Herbert Hoover.
Dick Morris History of Getting It Wrong.
Former Clinton adviser has history of making bad predictions
https://rollcall.com/2016/06/07/dick-morris-history-of-getting-it-wrong/
Everybody knows that Donnie the Dumbass was a horrible businessman. After all, how could somebody file for bankruptcy of a business that was licensed to print money (casinos).
But fail he did, just as he failed as so-called POtuS.
Trump Airlines — Trump borrowed $245 million to purchase Eastern Air Shuttle. He branded it Trump Airlines. He added gold bathroom fixtures. Two years later Trump could not cover the interest payment on his loan and defaulted.
Trump Beverages — Although Trump touted his water as "one of the purest natural spring waters bottled in the world," it was simply bottled by a third party. Other beverages, including Trump Fire and Trump Power, seem not to have made it to market. And Trump's American Pale Ale died with a trademark withdrawal.
Trump Game — Milton Bradley tried to sell it. As did Hasbro. After investment, the game died and went out of circulation.
Trump Casinos — Trump filed for bankruptcy three times on his casinos, namely the Trump Taj Mahal, the Trump Marina and the Trump Plaza in New Jersey and the Trump Casino in Indiana. Trump avoided debt obligations of $3 billion the first time. Then $1. 8 billion the second time. And then after reorganizing, shuffling money and assets, and waiting four years, Trump again declared bankruptcy after missing ongoing interest payments on multi-million dollar bonds. He was finally forced to step down as chairman.
Trump Magazine — Trump Style and Trump World were renamed Trump Magazine to reap advertising dollars from his name recognition. However, Trump Magazine also went out of business.
Trump Mortgage — Trump told CNBC in 2006 that "I think it's a great time to start a mortgage company. . The real-estate market is going to be very strong for a long time to come. " Then the real estate market collapsed. Trump had hired E. J. Ridings as CEO of Trump Mortgage and boasted that Ridings had been a "top executive of one of Wall Street's most prestigious investment banks. " Turned out Ridings had only six months of experience as a stockbroker. Trump Mortgage closed and never paid a $298,274 judgment it owed a former employee, nor the $3,555 it owed in unpaid taxes.
Trump Steaks — Trump closed Trump Steaks due to a lack of sales while owing Buckhead Beef $715,000.
Trump's Travel Site — GoTrump.com was in business for one year. Failed.
Trumpnet — A telephone communication company that abandoned its trademark.
Trump Tower Tampa — Trump sold his name to the developers and received $2 million. Then the project went belly-up with only $3,500 left in the company. Condo buyers sued Trump for allegedly misleading them. Trump settled and paid as little as $11,115 to buyers who had lost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Trump University or the Trump Entrepreneur Initiative — Trump staged wealth-building seminars costing up to $34,995 for mentorships that would offer students access to Trump's secrets of success. Instructors turned out to be motivational speakers sometimes with criminal records. Lawsuits and criminal investigations abound.
Trump Vodka — Business failed due to a lack of sales.
Trump Fragrances — Success by Trump, Empire by Trump, and Donald Trump: The Fragrances all failed due to being discontinued, perhaps as a result of few sales.
Trump Mattress — Serta stopped offering a Trump-branded mattress, again likely due to slacking sales.
Truth Social — This existing Trump business owes big money, and may well be breathing its last.
Markets are once again down mainly because Biden has to put USA into a deep recession to combat inflation. Once again they will blame Trump. Here are the market numbers of Trump presidency with no inflation.
January 20, 2017 Dow 19,827.
August 6, 2018. Dow 25,502.
Up 29% in 19 months.
January 20, 2021 Dow 30,996.
Dow up 59% during Trump presidency for the four years in office even with the worst pandemic in decades..BTW, you do know the Fed is actually trying to artificially induce a mild recession because Biden's economy is roaring along too hot, right?
Same as the Fed had to do under Carter.
Their only challenge is how much of a recession to artificially induce in order to cool it down most effectively. So far, the Fed has had a difficult time of it since Biden's economy keeps producing record high jobs numbers fast as hell along with higher wages.
Don't expect the Fed to ever have this "problem" under a Repub. Great Repub Recessions happen as a result of their crap economic policy wiping out millions upon millions of jobs.
No need for any Fed intervention to artificially induce a mild, controlled recession to cool down a roaring Repub economy. LOL. Never going to happen.
Really? Do you have a link for Trump saying that about his repeated months long deadly lies?
That does not sound like something Trump ever said about anything.It was a facile joke, although I am also pretty damn sure even Trump has said those type of wrods before.
So, by your logic above, Dr. Fauci never lied either because I heard him qualify a statement once. So did President Biden.It's not my logic. It was a facile joke, using reverse logic on the claims that you neo-libs employ.
Um. The Dow and the S&P 500 Index are both still higher than they ever were under Trump.
Or any other president.
In only 19 months after the worst hand off in history.It figures that you are would think that the Dow. 3% gain in first 19 months of Biden presidency and Nasdaq 14% decrease in 19 months is successful but I can assure you my clients and anyone else that invests in the market consider this terrible. For you who doesn't invest and depends on government handouts I guess you have the right to think hard working peoples retirements don't matter. Not everyone retiring wants to move to a shithole country to live off of social security in poverty.
I can assure you that Trump 59% gain in 4 years helps more people than Biden recession.
Everybody knows that Donnie the Dumbass was a horrible businessman. After all, how could somebody file for bankruptcy of a business that was licensed to print money (casinos).
But fail he did, just as he failed as so-called POtuS.
Trump Airlines Trump borrowed $245 million to purchase Eastern Air Shuttle. He branded it Trump Airlines. He added gold bathroom fixtures. Two years later Trump could not cover the interest payment on his loan and defaulted.
Trump Beverages Although Trump touted his water as "one of the purest natural spring waters bottled in the world," it was simply bottled by a third party. Other beverages, including Trump Fire and Trump Power, seem not to have made it to market. And Trump's American Pale Ale died with a trademark withdrawal.
Trump Game Milton Bradley tried to sell it. As did Hasbro. After investment, the game died and went out of circulation..I can only speak for my self but I would love to be a failure and a billionaire. I believe that I am not the only one in the world that would want to be a billionaire. Sure better than you living off of government handouts. But if you think living off government handouts is far better than being a billionaire more power to you.
Um. The Dow and the S&P 500 Index are both still higher than they ever were under Trump.
Or any other president.
In only 19 months after the worst hand off in history.Biden performance with the markets for the first 19 months of his presidency are the worst ever of any president in history. Trump 59% increase in 4 years was one of the highest ever. Biden presidency is a complete failure.
Markets are once again down mainly because Biden has to put USA into a deep recession to combat inflation. Once again they will blame Trump. Here are the market numbers of Trump presidency with no inflation.
January 20, 2017 Dow 19,827.
August 6, 2018. Dow 25,502.
Up 29% in 19 months.
January 20, 2021 Dow 30,996.
Dow up 59% during Trump presidency for the four years in office even with the worst pandemic in decades.
Now let's look at Biden record.
January 20,2021 Dow 30,996.
August 6, 2022. Dow 31,145..Biden first 19 months were the worst of any president in USA history. Wait for an idiot to dispute this.
The S&P 500 Index gained 13.35% between Biden's landslide victory election day and his inauguration, counting as one of the best post presidential administration loss "Relief Rallies" of all time.
Misleadingly, that gain is credited to Trump's time in office rather than to Biden only because Trump happened to be the hapless loser still hanging around the White House at the time, doing absolutely nothing positive for the country as usual, planning an anti-America Insurrection and stealing Top Secret nuclear-related documents likely in order to sell them to America's enemies.
But that is how happy the Market was to finally get rid of Trump and his disastrous economic policy and stewardship results:
Biden Has More S&P 500 Records Than Trump
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2021/11/20/biden-has-more-sp-500-records-than-trump/
Also unfortunately, the Market has discovered over the past 19 months that we have not gotten rid of America-hating Trump after all. He simply will not do the right thing by saying into a microphone, "I'm sorry" to the world, turning on his heels and just going quietly into the dark night of historical oblivion.
No, he is one deadly global threat that is not "disappearing, going away without a vaccine. ".
It's not my logic. It was a facile joke, using reverse logic on the claims that you neo-libs employ.So, did Donnie the Dumbass not say all of the things in the attached article? https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/11/trumps-lies-about-coronavirus/608647/.
Elvis 2008
09-07-22, 21:18
To the guy who called me Fat Elvis and got points, you can stop with the PMs. I did not turn you into a mod. The mod gave you the points on his own.
I do not believe you that you called me fat in relation to Elvis Pressley. I have said I am overweight to encourage guys in Colombia. My rationale is if I can get one of the dozen hottest women I have ever seen there than you can too. Yes, there was money, experience, and game involved, but to me, the game and confidence by far were the two most important things in landing my dream girl.
I actually hope that the mods do not take down posts where I am called fat or Fat Elvis. If you have to do that on this forum, you have a shitty argument. If you do it on another forum, I would ask why do I have a woman my friends call a 10 who is crazy about me and your sorry ass does not.
If you want to show everyone what a fucking loser is, then by all means call me fat. I think it helps everyone to see who the losers here really are.
And to the fat guys here, do not let these thin losers push you around. They may have the edge in the beginning but eventually their shit character shines through. I have had more and better than anyone else I know.
MarquisdeSade1
09-08-22, 00:06
Biden first 19 months were the worst of any president in USA history. Wait for an idiot to dispute this.#1 worst of all time BUBBA.
#2 barry hussein.
Here's barry a few days after leaving the sweetest ghost payroll gig of all time.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...oliday-n717731
Can you say "HOUSE SLAVE".
#3 W.
#4 Joe.
#5 ronnie.
#1 greatest leader in all of recorded history Our Supreme Leader and Lord and Savior.
Donald J Trump the God of All Gods!!
This is what I wrote a few months ago, but Joe has shot to #1 since then, well tied for #1, I'm not sure anyone could ever dethrone BUBBA after what he did to our country.
Even tho Barry Hussein tried like hell, as is Joe.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/06/opinion/biden-speech-maga-republicans.html
The S&P 500 Index gained 13.35% between Biden's landslide victory election day and his inauguration, counting as one of the best post presidential administration loss "Relief Rallies" of all time.
So typical of you to view this as a win. As I have shown you many times, you just seek out stats to support you already-made view. You don't review the facts and then form your view. In this case, don't you see that if Biden had caused even more inflation, the Index would have climbed even higher? Hey, why not just cause hyper-inflation and create an almost unbeatable record!
Great metric you have there ET, just like your other cherry picking.
Biden first 19 months were the worst of any president in USA history. Wait for an idiot to dispute this.Market went up 59% over Trump presidency when you say America hated him and we had a pandemic. Now Trump presidency is over and Everyone hates Biden and he has the worst stock increase in his first 19 months than any other presidency. Obviously the market, American companies and the economy hate Biden 10 times more than they hated Trump. Just the facts. Can erase history. You can choose to ignore the facts but this is what will go in the history books.
I don't believe either are lesser... Bothersiderism at its best. Or should I say worst (...denial).
At least the Reps don't pretend to be anything other than greedy and selfish. The Dems are fraudsters...
You forgot the QAnon/Repubs, as well as being greedy and selfish, are very much, racists, corrupt, liars, cheats, criminals, insurrectionists, thugs, gun-toting war-mongers, bullies, crooked, unprincipled and lawless.
And that's just for starters. Oh!....and did I forget to mention, E.V.I.L.!!!!
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/how-did-republican-party-get-so-corrupt/578095/
https://medium.com/the-atlantic/the-corruption-of-the-republican-party-b5ad7a1aeaff
https://republicansexposed.org/republicans-are-lawless-and-corrupt/
To the guy who called me Fat Elvis and got points, you can stop with the PMs. I did not turn you into a mod. The mod gave you the points on his own.
I said the same thing. I was unsure at the time, but I am certain now, he gets his posts pulled for needless insults.
Be nice to people. A bit of courtesy goes a long way. Heck, you might even be able to have a productive conversation with someone.
I can only speak for my self but I would love to be a failure and a billionaire. I believe that I am not the only one in the world that would want to be a billionaire. Sure better than you living off of government handouts. But if you think living off government handouts is far better than being a billionaire more power to you.How do you know Trump "is a billionaire" instead of owing a billion dollars? Have you seen his tax returns?
The poor fella' has had his taxes audited for at least 7 years already, sadly preventing him from releasing them as he said he would as soon as the IRS is finished.
Oh yes, it is obvious how eager he is to release them to prove to the world what you believe and just asserted; that he has a single dollar above water, much less "is a billionaire."
No worries. Biden has legislated "87,000 new IRS agents with loaded AR15's" to make sure that Trump audit gets finished ASAP so we can all marvel at Trump's great financial success as a businessman that the mean old IRS has prevented him from doing for lo these past 7+ years.
I wonder. Does conning hillbillies out of their entitlement checks with nonexistent "Trump Election Defense Funds" count as being a financially successful businessman?
You forgot the QAnon/Repubs, as well as being greedy and selfish, are very much, racists, corrupt, liars, cheats, criminals, insurrectionists, thugs, gun-toting war-mongers, bullies, crooked, unprincipled and lawless.
Is that the supporters or party? Wellm I could use most of the labels for the Dem Party too. Greedy and selfish, racists, corrupt, liars, cheats, criminals, xxx. Thugs, gun-toting war-mongers, bullies, crooked, unprincipled and lawless.
Plus fraudsters. Up there with the worst crimes.
I can only speak for my self but I would love to be a failure and a billionaire. I believe that I am not the only one in the world that would want to be a billionaire. Sure better than you living off of government handouts. But if you think living off government handouts is far better than being a billionaire more power to you.Thank you for admitting that Donnie the Dumbass was a failure. He tanked 14 businesses and stiffed thousands of people.
He received, in 2018 dollars, $413 million from his daddy. Had he done nothing with it, that $413 million would be worth over a billion dollars today. Had he done nothing! Exactly what he did while he was in office. Nothing.
So being a billionaire doesn't mean much does it? And nobody knows how much Donnie the Dumbass is really worth, since he never showed his taxes like he promised when he was POtuS. He's probably worth about $5 bucks. Not counting, of course, the value of the classified documents that he stole. Donnie is probably worth less than I am. He certainly has less class and less brainpower than I do.
ScatManDoo
09-08-22, 04:14
Is that the supporters or party? Wellm I could use most of the labels for the Dem Party too. Greedy and selfish, racists, corrupt, liars, cheats, criminals, xxx. Thugs, gun-toting war-mongers, bullies, crooked, unprincipled and lawless.
Plus fraudsters. Up there with the worst crimes.But only republicans & double agent TrumpShit get the title of King-Dealer of the nuclear secrets.
Is that the supporters or party? Wellm I could use most of the labels for the Dem Party too. Greedy and selfish, racists, corrupt, liars, cheats, criminals, xxx. Thugs, gun-toting war-mongers, bullies, crooked, unprincipled and lawless.
Plus fraudsters. Up there with the worst crimes.You know, for someone who doesn't even reside in the USA You seem to be overly concerned with our domestic political battles. I'm just asking myself: do I even care about some internal political shitstorms going on in Belgium or Spain or the Netherlands? Can't say I do.
So typical of you to view this as a win. As I have shown you many times, you just seek out stats to support you already-made view. You don't review the facts and then form your view. In this case, don't you see that if Biden had caused even more inflation, the Index would have climbed even higher? Hey, why not just cause hyper-inflation and create an almost unbeatable record!
Great metric you have there ET, just like your other cherry picking.So typical of you not to provide any proof to backup your conjectures. If you're going to refute the findings, provide the evidence/proof.
Or should we just all take your QAnon/Repub/Bothsiderism word for it?
... Plus fraudsters. Up there with the worst crimes.Yeah, that would be the QAnon / Repub / Bothsiderists and the criminal elements on Jan 6th, 2020, attacking the Washington D.C Capital and state capitals, with their fraudulent claims of a stolen election.
And let's not forget the loser QAnon/Repub state officials, that forged state election documents and tried to claim themselves as "the real" state electors, with their fake Microsoft Word intimation electoral state documents. QAnon/Repub/Bothsiderists as fake and fraudulent as they come.
I would think even QAnon Bothersiders, understand the Jan 6th, fraud and fraudulent criminal behavior, perpetrated by your QAnon/Repub comrades in jail and waiting prosecution.
QAnon/Repub fraudsters, are about as fraudulent as claims of "bothsidesism", "neithersidism", or whatever, disguised as QAnon/Republican dogma.
So typical of you not to provide any proof to backup your conjectures. If you're going to refute the findings, provide the evidence/proof.
You want me to provide proof that inflation causes prices to rise? That's economics 101. Its actually what inflation IS! What proof do you want me to give you? Shall I send you a text book? A share index is a pool of share prices. Inflation causes prices to rise. Ergo. Infaltion causes share indices to rise. Saying that a rise in share index on its own is a good thing is an empty claim.
And let's not forget the loser QAnon/Repub state officials, that forged state election documents and tried to claim themselves as "the real" state electors, with their fake Microsoft Word intimation electoral state documents. QAnon/Repub/Bothsiderists as fake and fraudulent as they come.
QAnon/Repub fraudsters, are about as fraudulent as claims of "bothsidesism", "neithersidism", or whatever, disguised as QAnon/Republican dogma.WTF are you talking about? You are just doing the same as ET and PVM. Refusing to ackowledge the faults of the Dem party, and instead attack the Rep party. Well, I am not defending anything the Rep party did or does. So how can you claim I follow Rep party dogma. That's just plain stupidity.
Would you say the US Green Party is QAnon, the Communist Party is Republican? That's effectively what you are claiming.
#1 worst of all time BUBBA.
#2 barry hussein.
Here's barry a few days after leaving the sweetest ghost payroll gig of all time.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...oliday-n717731
Can you say "HOUSE SLAVE".
#3 W.
#4 Joe.
#5 ronnie.This has to be sarcasm, right? You can't seriously believe this drivel, can you?
The only way Donnie the Dumbass is #1 is if you're looking at a list of the worst presidents of all time. Well, OK, Donnie the Dumbass is #1 if one is looking at the greatest grifter presidents of all time. Or the president with the most lies of all time. Or the dumbest president of all time.
Market went up 59% over Trump presidency when you say America hated him and we had a pandemic. Now Trump presidency is over and Everyone hates Biden and he has the worst stock increase in his first 19 months than any other presidency. Obviously the market, American companies and the economy hate Biden 10 times more than they hated Trump. Just the facts. Can erase history. You can choose to ignore the facts but this is what will go in the history books.Actually, what will go into the history books is that Donnie the Dumbass was the only president ever to have stolen classified documents.
You know, for someone who doesn't even reside in the USA You seem to be overly concerned with our domestic political battles. I'm just asking myself: do I even care about some internal political shitstorms going on in Belgium or Spain or the Netherlands? Can't say I do.I care for the same reason that USAns care about what's going on in China and Russia. Bcos I am concerned and fearful. Decisions taken in the USA unfortunately effect the entire world.
P.S.: you didn't see the "shitstorm" going on Finland? You missed out my man. That one was funny!
WTF are you talking about? You are just doing the same as ET and PVM. Refusing to ackowledge the faults of the Dem party, and instead attack the Rep party. Well, I am not defending anything the Rep party did or does. So how can you claim I follow Rep party dogma. That's just plain stupidity ...What's this, another attack on the messenger rather than the message. Whatsup with you people?
QAnon / Repubs party dogma, is the message you continually emanate. I calls it like I sees it, not matter how you dress it up!
What's this, another attack on the messenger rather than the message. Whatsup with you people?
Where? Where is the artack on the messenger? I attacked the msg.
QAnon / Repubs party dogma, is the message you continually emanate. I calls it like I sees it, not matter how you dress it up!Right. I think you need glasses then.
You know, for someone who doesn't even reside in the USA You seem to be overly concerned with our domestic political battles. I'm just asking myself: do I even care about some internal political shitstorms going on in Belgium or Spain or the Netherlands? Can't say I do.It's very simple. He hates America and is here to bait, pick fights with, and vent his frustrations towards Americans whom he sees as the great Satan causing all the troubles in the world. That's even though he claims to live in Medellin, Colombia where there's worlds of better things to do than argue over the internet.
Where? ... Right. I think you need glasses then.And there it is again, attacking the messenger.
Washington, DC — A powerless figurehead world leader with no actual responsibilities is still barely clinging to life, according to sources. Family is said to be gathered at the White House as the leader's condition is reportedly quickly declining.
"It's sad to see the 'Big Guy' go," said Hunter Biden to reporters while brushing some white powder off his face. "I'll surely be lost without him. Also, has anyone seen my glass tobacco pipe?
Commentators are praising the dying figurehead as an "alive human who sat in the Oval Office to replace Trump until we could think of a better plan. " Dozens of mourners from around the country are already preparing to pay tribute to the dying impotent mascot of America.
The Babylon Bee will provide further updates as the situation changes. . .
I care for the same reason that USAns care about what's going on in China and Russia. Bcos I am concerned and fearful. Decisions taken in the USA unfortunately effect the entire world.That's true, but it doesn't explain why you, a foreigner, care about the political infighting inside the USA Very unusual is what I'm saying.
And there it is again, attacking the messenger.Mod, can you ban this troll please?
Mod, can you ban this troll please?There it is, plain as day...that QAnon/Repub thuggery. When they can't get there own way, they resort to threats and intimidation.
Just like a true troll!
The slimeball snake oil salesman compares himself to Revolutionary War heros, beyond barfworthy.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/08/politics/steve-bannon-not-guilty-plea-surrender-border-wall-charges/index.html
WTF are you talking about? You are just doing the same as ET and PVM. Refusing to ackowledge the faults of the Dem party, and instead attack the Rep party. Well, I am not defending anything the Rep party did or does. So how can you claim I follow Rep party dogma. That's just plain stupidity.
Would you say the US Green Party is QAnon, the Communist Party is Republican? That's effectively what you are claiming.Yes, there was Obama's tan suit. Shocking.
There is no Dem counterpart to Donald Trump. None. Never. Perhaps no counterpart to a sniveling, cowardly, lying traitor like Donald Trump among any democtatic country world leaders anywhere or ever.
And it must be pointed out that Donald Trump did not change the Repub Party. Nope. Not by one iota. He revealed it.
There is no Dem counterpart to the consistent pattern of Great Repub Recessions, skyrocketing unemployment rates and massive job losses over the past 100 years. Not one. Repubs own all of those major downturns.
There is no Dem counterpart to Moscow Mitch's proudly displayed egregious contempt for America and hypocrisy in securing a vow from his Party in Congress on Obama's inauguration night not to lift one finger to help him pull us out of the colossal, historic economic mess HIS Party just produced and for which the American people elected Obama to lead the clean up ASAP. Nor for his brazen manipulation of Supreme Court appointments in order to fix it with a Repub majority drawn primarily from the America-hating, QAnon loon, Anti-Sex Federalist Society list. None. Never.
Meanwhile, name an important, complex, difficult but necessary and politically risky legislative accomplishment of the past 100 years now revered by the vast majority of Americans that was proposed by, fought for, planned, negotiated and passed by Repubs rather than Dems.
You can't. There aren't any.
The fact that you struggle to falsely equate the extraordinarily consistent positive accomplishments that Dem leadership has done FOR America with the extraordinarily consisent horrific damage that Repub leadership has done TO America by demanding anyone cite the relatively utterly insignificant faults of the Dem Party is no different than equating fire fighters with arsonists on the basis that some fire fighters don't show up for their kids' school plays as often as they should and you once saw an arsonist toss a bread crumb at a pigeon.
Your pro Repub "Bothsiderism" and "False Equivalencies" are blatantly obvious and ridiculous.
I care for the same reason that USAns care about what's going on in China and Russia. Bcos I am concerned and fearful. Decisions taken in the USA unfortunately effect the entire world.
P.S.: you didn't see the "shitstorm" going on Finland? You missed out my man. That one was funny!You mean the "shitstorm" surrounding the female Finnish PM "having fun"? That shitstorm?
All over a female wanting to have some fun while her male counterparts seem to get by with much worse behavior with only a "tsk tsk". But I dare not mention Donnie the Dumbass' "grab them by the pussy" remarks because I might offend the Moron Brigade who will say that he never said that. Or that is is "fake newZ". https://junkee.com/double-standards-finlands-pm-partying-versus-albos-beer-sculling/339457.
Thank you for admitting that Donnie the Dumbass was a failure. He tanked 14 businesses and stiffed thousands of people.
He received, in 2018 dollars, $413 million from his daddy. Had he done nothing with it, that $413 million would be worth over a billion dollars today. Had he done nothing! Exactly what he did while he was in office. Nothing.
So being a billionaire doesn't mean much does it? And nobody knows how much Donnie the Dumbass is really worth, since he never showed his taxes like he promised when he was POtuS. He's probably worth about $5 bucks. Not counting, of course, the value of the classified documents that he stole. Donnie is probably worth less than I am. He certainly has less class and less brainpower than I do.If Trump is really a failure what does it make you? I think the Trump family has done quite well and I think there are millions of people that would like to be even half as successful as he is. He obviously has more buying power than you and his kids buying $40,000,000 houses lead me to believe that all the Trumps are successful. Have you even ever bought a house for $1,000,000 let alone $40 M? I bet not. Why do losers and welfare recipients always run down the successful?
How do you know Trump "is a billionaire" instead of owing a billion dollars? Have you seen his tax returns?
The poor fella' has had his taxes audited for at least 7 years already, sadly preventing him from releasing them as he said he would as soon as the IRS is finished.
Oh yes, it is obvious how eager he is to release them to prove to the world what you believe and just asserted; that he has a single dollar above water, much less "is a billionaire."
No worries. Biden has legislated "87,000 new IRS agents with loaded AR15's" to make sure that Trump audit gets finished ASAP so we can all marvel at Trump's great financial success as a businessman that the mean old IRS has prevented him from doing for lo these past 7+ years.
I wonder. Does conning hillbillies out of their entitlement checks with nonexistent "Trump Election Defense Funds" count as being a financially successful businessman?IRS sees his tax returns every year. At least he pays taxes. You don't! He employs thousands of people and is an incredible asset to America. You don't pay taxes and aren't. It doesn't matter if he is a billionaire or not. He is much more successful than you.
New prime minister in Uk first order of business was to restore fracking and boost oil and gas production in the UK to try to correct past energy policies. Biden this week cancelled thousands of wells in North Dakota, South Dakota and Montana citing environmental issues. Poland, Belgium and other European countries are proposing new nuclear power plants to solve their energy issues. Europe is learning that renewable energy is not the current solution and is decades away from being the solution. USA not so smart. California dumb as a sack of hammers. CA does not have enough power for their current needs let alone the future. Rolling blackouts will be the future of California. Electric cars but no power to charge the batteries.
name an important, complex, difficult but necessary and politically risky legislative accomplishment of the past 100 years now revered by the vast majority of Americans that was proposed by, fought for, planned, negotiated and passed by Repubs rather than Dems.
You can't. There aren't any.
.Its super boring to read your same comments every time. You won't accept any criticism of the Dem Party and deflect everything tlo the Rep party. You still insist on thinking I have something positive to say about the Rp Party. I don't. I am tired of going round in circles with you. Its like arguing with a Born Again Chrsitian.
You mean the "shitstorm" surrounding the female Finnish PM "having fun"? That shitstorm?
Yes, that one. Was hilarious. But how funky to have such a young adn 'with it' PM!. Imagine if the USA. Oh nevermind.
New prime minister in Uk first order of business was to restore fracking and boost oil and gas production in the UK to try to correct past energy policies..Yeah, she is probably the dumbest PM ever to be elected. She won't last 5 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nG21SG6JOo
Yeah, she is probably the dumbest PM ever to be elected. She won't last 5 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nG21SG6JOoI will take that bet. Her first day she accomplished more than Biden did in 19 months. Producing your own energy is always better than buying from Iran, Russia and OPEC. She will never ever come close to being as dumb as Biden.
US minimum wage is worth less today that what it was 60 years ago. There has been no increase in 13 years:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/20/the-7point25-dollar-federal-minimum-wage-is-worth-less-than-it-was-60-years-ago-.html
Of course this is all the Reps fault. The Dem Party could do nothing in all those 60 years to reverse out the negative actions of the Reps. Its a disgrace, and its a disgrace that some people think that either party cares about the people.
IRS sees his tax returns every year. At least he pays taxes. You don't! He employs thousands of people and is an incredible asset to America. You don't pay taxes and aren't. It doesn't matter if he is a billionaire or not. He is much more successful than you.Really? It takes someone with absolutely no knowledge of US tax policy to make such an uninformed statement about someone paying no taxes because they don't live in the US.
But, for someone who believed that shoving a lightbulb up his ass would cure COVID or that the 2020 election was stolen or any of the other RethugliKKKan-QAnon-FUXSnooze talking points, such a statement is, well, normal.
But, yes, by some measures Donnie the Dumbass is more successful. Donnie the Dumbass is much more successful at grifting, that's true. Donnie the Dumbass is much more successful at lying. Donnie the Dumbass is much more successful in stealing classified documents. Donnie the Dumbass is much more successful at sucking off every tin-pot didctator in the world. Of course, only the Moron Brigade would call those things "successful".
If Trump is really a failure what does it make you? I think the Trump family has done quite well and I think there are millions of people that would like to be even half as successful as he is. He obviously has more buying power than you and his kids buying $40,000,000 houses lead me to believe that all the Trumps are successful. Have you even ever bought a house for $1,000,000 let alone $40 M? I bet not. Why do losers and welfare recipients always run down the successful?So, you don't dispute that I have more class and more brainpower than Donnie the Dumbass.
US minimum wage is worth less today that what it was 60 years ago. There has been no increase in 13 years:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/20/the-7point25-dollar-federal-minimum-wage-is-worth-less-than-it-was-60-years-ago-.html
Of course this is all the Reps fault. The Dem Party could do nothing in all those 60 years to reverse out the negative actions of the Reps. Its a disgrace, and its a disgrace that some people think that either party cares about the people.Group of Senate Democrats and Republicans vote to keep $15 minimum wage out of Biden's COVID stimulus bill
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/03/05/minimum-wage-amendment-defeated-senate-democrats-against/4595331001/
Note that the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media headline cited a "group of Dems and Repubs" as though it was probably an equal number on both sides?
You see, MSM is a notorious "Bothsider", whose primary goal is to help Repubs get elected so they can continue to crash the USA economy and wipe out millions of jobs. The same as you.
Uh. That "group" of Dems would be 8. That "group" of Repubs would be 50. Actually, the latter is not exactly a "group" of Repubs at all. Nope. That would be ALL of them.
Maybe that MSM source ran out of cyberspace and there was just no room for them to include the word "ALL" for the Repub side of it in that headline, huh?
Or, put another way, 100% of the Republicans in the Senate does not want to raise the minimum wage, a proposal presented, planned, fought for, negotiated and largely voted for by Dems, not Repubs, never Repubs. Yep, not even 8 Repubs could be found from any state in America to replace the 8 Dems who declined.
Meanwhile, oh look!
Blue State Minimum Wages Inch Upward, Widening Gap With South
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/blue-state-minimum-wages-inch-upward-widening-gap-with-south
Gee, I guess Dems are so determined to get this done for the American worker they will and have been doing at the state and local level all along what not even 1 Repub Senator wants to do for the country.
Thanks for bringing that up. It is always a winning topic for Dems and reveals the contempt Repubs have for fair wages for American workers.
Bet ya' didn't think that's how your little pro Repub "Bothsider" pitch was going to turn out, right?
IRS sees his tax returns every year. At least he pays taxes. You don't! He employs thousands of people and is an incredible asset to America. You don't pay taxes and aren't. It doesn't matter if he is a billionaire or not. He is much more successful than you.A special message just for you:
https://youtu.be/BJ0vPIo9eyY
Its super boring to read your same comments every time. You won't accept any criticism of the Dem Party and deflect everything tlo the Rep party. You still insist on thinking I have something positive to say about the Rp Party. I don't. I am tired of going round in circles with you. Its like arguing with a Born Again Chrsitian.Translation: "You're right. I can't think of or cite even one important, complex, difficult but necessary and politically risky legislative accomplishment of the past 100 years now revered by the vast majority of Americans that was proposed by, fought for, planned, negotiated and passed by Repubs rather than Dems.
Because there aren't any.
US minimum wage is worth less today that what it was 60 years ago. There has been no increase in 13 years:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/20/the-7point25-dollar-federal-minimum-wage-is-worth-less-than-it-was-60-years-ago-.html
Of course this is all the Reps fault. The Dem Party could do nothing in all those 60 years to reverse out the negative actions of the Reps. Its a disgrace, and its a disgrace that some people think that either party cares about the people.One more thing about that.
Remember when Trump was crowing about how "his economy" produced higher wages for women, blacks, hispanics, etc, demographics that typically work minimum wage jobs?
Yeah, that was because the state and local governments in primarily Dem states and cities were busy raising the minimum wage (see link in my previous reply to your inaccurate "Bothsider" pitch) DESPITE the usual passionate Repub objection to it by Trump, Moscow Mitch and the rest of them.
US minimum wage is worth less today that what it was 60 years ago. There has been no increase in 13 years:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/20/the-7point25-dollar-federal-minimum-wage-is-worth-less-than-it-was-60-years-ago-.html
Of course this is all the Reps fault. The Dem Party could do nothing in all those 60 years to reverse out the negative actions of the Reps. Its a disgrace, and its a disgrace that some people think that either party cares about the people.The last time the minimum wage was raised in the US was 2009. Since then, Congress has been controlled (at least in part) by the RethugliKKKan party. https://history.house.gov/Institution/Presidents-Coinciding/Party-Government/.
In addition, let us not forget that when Obama was President, RethugliKKKans even said the "quiet part out loud", that they were going to do everything humanly possible to make him a one-term president.
Since 2009, the Democrats have had control of both houses of Congress exactly once.
The USA is one of only a few countries where there is no periodic review of the minimum wage.
Yes, the minimum wage in the US is far too low. Part of the problem is, however, that the citizenry of the US is uneducated and they believe stuff that just isn't true. And most of the "untrue stuff" is fed to them by, you guessed it, the RethugliKKKan party.
The RethugliKKKans say all the time that minimum wages were not intended to be living wages. FDR, the President who enacted the first US minimum wage, would beg to differ.
The RethugliKKKans say all the time that most minimum wage earners are kids living with their parents. Not true, but even if it was true, that is no excuse for paying inadequate wages.
The RethugliKKKans say all the time that minimum wage jobs give the worker experience which propels him to better jobs later on in his career. Wrong again. Most minimum wage jobs are literally dead end employment that neither teaches the worker any useful valuable skills to transfer to better employment options. Most minimum wage jobs offer absolutely no avenue for advancement with the employer.
We used to allow women to work for less than men based on the misogynistic notion that women were worth less because the men were the "bread winners". Try floating that idea in the present day and see what happens. It should be no different on the basis of age, or living arrangements.
As any RethugliKKKan on this board if they agree with most of the 4 issues above. I guarantee that virtually all of them will say yes. Then ask any Democrat if they agree with the 4 issues above and I guarantee that none of them will say yes.
Now, it is fair to say that the Democratic Party could have done more? Sure. But when you have a bunch of obstructionist morons telling their dumber-than-dogshit base that if we raise the minimum wage for everybody then the price of everything will go up so it is better if we force people to have 6 jobs and to work 35 hours per day just to make ends meet. And if they can't, well, that's their problem.
It reminds me of a racist quotation said by a famous racist "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you. " Yes, Moron Brigade, that quote was from Lyndon Johnson. Yes, Johnson was a Democrat. Yes, he was a racist. But he thought just like the Donnie "there were good people on both sides" the Dumbass.
Group of Senate Democrats and Republicans vote to keep $15 minimum wage out of Biden's COVID stimulus bill
MSM is a notorious "Bothsider", whose primary goal is to help Repubs get elected.
Thanks for bringing that up. It is always a winning topic for Dems and reveals the contempt Repubs have for fair wages for American workers.
Bet ya' didn't think that's how your little pro Repub "Bothsider" pitch was going to turn out, right?There you go again. Deflecting criticism to Reps, refusing to engage in the real issue and accept the shlt job that the Dems have done, and attacking the messenger not the message! Do you seriously dispute the stat on this bcos its CNBC? That would be ridiculous; I found the same info on many sites.
The real issue here, seems you deliberately ignored it again, is that REAL minimum wages have not gone up in 60 years!! That is a disgrace to both the Rep Party and the Dem Party! You trying to say that the Dem Parry never had the chance to raise it in SIXTY YEARS?? Well then, tell me how come the Reps manage to get things done when their in power, but the Dems don't? I will tell you the answer. Bcos the Reps are determind to get their promises pushed thru, jsually with help from neo-cons in the Dem party. Whereas the Dem Party only pay lip servce to their manifesto, and they are made up of neo-libs and neo-cons that cannot get stuff done.
Bet ya' didn't think that's how your little pro neo-con pitch was going to turn out, right?
Translation: "You're right. I can't think of or cite even one important, complex, difficult but necessary and politically risky legislative accomplishment of the past 100 years now revered by the vast majority of Americans that was proposed by, fought for, planned, negotiated and passed by Repubs rather than Dems.
Because there aren't any.Go ask a Rep Party supporter. I don't like any of their policies.
Remember when Trump was crowing about how "his economy" produced higher wages for women, blacks, hispanics, etc, demographics that typically work minimum wage jobs?
As I mentioned in other previous posts, wages and share indices are not good indicators at all. REAL wages and REAL value is far more important, especially when the DEM Party instigate runaway infaltion.
The last time the minimum wage was raised in the US was 2009. Since then, Congress has been controlled (at least in part) by the RethugliKKKan party.
Since 2009, the Democrats have had control of both houses of Congress exactly once.
Yes, the minimum wage in the US is far too low. Part of the problem is, however, that the citizenry of the US is uneducated and they believe stuff that just isn't true. And most of the "untrue stuff" is fed to them by, you guessed it, the RethugliKKKan party.
The RethugliKKKans say all the time that minimum wages were not intended to be living wages. FDR, the President who enacted the first US minimum wage, would beg to differ.
There you again, just like your twin brother ET. Deflecting away, refusing to engage in the real issue. SIXTY YEARS! HOw do you explain that?? Of course, all lthe Rep Party fault, and nothiing the Dems could do.
You mean the "shitstorm" surrounding the female Finnish PM "having fun"? That shitstorm?
All over a female wanting to have some fun while her male counterparts seem to get by with much worse behavior with only a "tsk tsk". But I dare not mention Donnie the Dumbass' "grab them by the pussy" remarks because I might offend the Moron Brigade who will say that he never said that. Or that is is "fake newZ". https://junkee.com/double-standards-finlands-pm-partying-versus-albos-beer-sculling/339457.Meanwhile, also back in the US, Texas now has legislature pending, that is looking to raise the $10 K "Texas abortion bounty" to $100 K. As other red states like Oklahoma, look to follow suit and raise their bounties. The QAnon / Repubs, just continue to attack and pound women's rights back into the stone-age.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/10/us/politics/texas-abortion-law-facts.html
A special message just for you:
https://youtu.be/BJ0vPIo9eyYI will take that bet. I paid over $500,000 in taxes in 2022. I am betting you did not pay any taxes since you can't afford to live in the USA.
Meanwhile, also back in the US, Texas now has legislature pending, that is looking to raise the $10 K "Texas abortion bounty" to $100 K.That is amazing. Not only did the USA retreat from Afghanistan with its tail between its legs, it looks like to Taliban have invaded the southern USA too!
So, you don't dispute that I have more class and more brainpower than Donnie the Dumbass.Obviously disputed. Trump brainpower made him billions. Your brainpower made you dependent on a democrat government that supports welfare and handouts to people mainly democrats who are to lazy to work. When you become president of the USA then you can start comparisons. Lies don't cut it.
Really? It takes someone with absolutely no knowledge of US tax policy to make such an uninformed statement about someone paying no taxes because they don't live in the US.
But, for someone who believed that shoving a lightbulb up his ass would cure COVID or that the 2020 election was stolen or any of the other RethugliKKKan-QAnon-FUXSnooze talking points, such a statement is, well, normal.
But, yes, by some measures Donnie the Dumbass is more successful. Donnie the Dumbass is much more successful at grifting, that's true. Donnie the Dumbass is much more successful at lying. Donnie the Dumbass is much more successful in stealing classified documents. Donnie the Dumbass is much more successful at sucking off every tin-pot didctator in the world. Of course, only the Moron Brigade would call those things "successful".I don't think Trump is going to trade places with you and trade fortunes. I think anybody who has had a business in the world would agree that Trump is smarter and more successful than you. Has more respect in the world than you. Jealousy is a big problem with the socialists. They are jealous that people who work hard and are successful have more than the lazy dead beat democrats waiting for government handouts. Yes you make think that republicans are dumbasses for working hard, starting businesses and hiring thousands of people along with paying taxes to support the lazy dead beat democrats but unfortunately someone has to.
Its super boring to read your same comments every time. You won't accept any criticism of the Dem Party and deflect everything tlo the Rep party. You still insist on thinking I have something positive to say about the Rp Party. I don't. I am tired of going round in circles with you. Its like arguing with a Born Again Chrsitian. And yet here you are with your bored tired self.
What makes you think, any of us (Dems or Repubs), have to accept your bothsidesism criticisms?
Time and time again, you put forth your counterpoints (or criticisms) and time and time again, many of us "Dems" (or on the left of your bothsidesism) push-back and often provide actual evidence/data to support our claims, to the QAnon/Repub/Bothsidesism dogma (counterpoints), you so often provide.
Let me bottom line this for you:
Just because you put forth your "bothsidesism criticisms" and we read those criticisms, DOES NOT MEAN WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THEM!
One more thing about that.
Remember when Trump was crowing about how "his economy" produced higher wages for women, blacks, hispanics, etc, demographics that typically work minimum wage jobs?
Yeah, that was because the state and local governments in primarily Dem states and cities were busy raising the minimum wage (see link in my previous reply to your inaccurate "Bothsider" pitch) DESPITE the usual passionate Repub objection to it by Trump, Moscow Mitch and the rest of them.Yes when Trump was crowing about his economy businesses were doing better. They were paying higher wages and giving bonuses. Under Biden policies companies are not doing good. Inflation and regulations are killing them. If you say everyone was making more money because all the democrat states raised their minimum wages then it is only the Republicans states that didn't. Are you saying republicans aren't getting high enough wages? Why are you worried about republicans states? People in republicans states get paid proportionally higher because they work harder. Why should a lazy dead beat democrat be guaranteed a higher wage for his poor performance?
There you go again. Deflecting criticism to Reps, refusing to engage in the real issue and accept the shlt job that the Dems have done, and attacking the messenger not the message! Do you seriously dispute the stat on this bcos its CNBC? That would be ridiculous; I found the same info on many sites.
The real issue here, seems you deliberately ignored it again, is that REAL minimum wages have not gone up in 60 years!! That is a disgrace to both the Rep Party and the Dem Party! You trying to say that the Dem Parry never had the chance to raise it in SIXTY YEARS?? Well then, tell me how come the Reps manage to get things done when their in power, but the Dems don't? I will tell you the answer. Bcos the Reps are determind to get their promises pushed thru, jsually with help from neo-cons in the Dem party. Whereas the Dem Party only pay lip servce to their manifesto, and they are made up of neo-libs and neo-cons that cannot get stuff done.
Bet ya' didn't think that's how your little pro neo-con pitch was going to turn out, right?The CNBC article is about the Federal minimum wage.
In the USA, that means the minimum wage established nationally, not in the Dem states and cities, where Dems have been doing a damn good job of raising the minimum wage despite Repub so-called potuses and 100% of the Repubs in the Senate passionately opposing it.
Now, that would be vs only 15.69% of those on the Dem side opposing it. Uh. For you and your fellow pro Repub campaigners in Mainstream Media, it is classic "Bothsider False Equivalency" to suggest, much less assert, that 100% is no different than 15.69%.
LOL. Predictably, now you're another blatant Repub demonizing the inevitable and unavoidable inflation that occurs during historic Dem recoveries from historic Repub economic crashes.
Too bad we can't just remain in a lovely constant state of Great Repub Depression / Recession, skyrocketing unemployment and massive job losses while we're waiting into infinity for as few as 8 Repubs in the Senate to vote Yes on raising the minimum wage, right? I'm guessing gas prices will at some point drop to $0. 50 per gallon several years into another one of those Great Repub Depressions / Recessions. Oh boy. LOL.
And time and time again, many of us "Dems" (or on the left of your bothsidesism) push-back and often provide actual evidence/data to support our claims.Err, no you don't. You put fwd iitrelevant whataboutist right wing neo-lib talking points.
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That is amazing. Not only did the USA retreat from Afghanistan with its tail between its legs, it looks like to Taliban have invaded the southern USA too!JustTK, unlike the Dems, I can admit when Republicans are being stupid. There are three legs to the stool of Republicans: those who like their economic policies (like me) and have a libertarian bent, the defense industry, and the hard core or evangelical Christians. You can say what you want about the last bunch but they are organized, well funded, and have power.
With that last bunch, they want to have as many members as they can in their churches, and they felt like abortion was robbing them of that dream, and they have been hoping to have abortion laws repealed.
So I was happy that the Supreme Court did what it had to do and took down the Roe v. Wade decision because abortion should be addressed by the people and not the judges. OTOH, I knew it would kill us in the elections. Overnight, the Dems were going to get routed in the midterms to not losing the Senate and possibly keeping the house, and I knew why. Every woman I talk to in the 18 to 40 age range has abortion as their #1 issue.
The evangelicals have been pining for government to step in on abortion for so long I do not think they grasped what would happen when they got what they wanted. It is now like, "You guys got what you wanted but now we have much less power than before. " Now maybe they will. I have never thought telling young women they are going to burn in hell for having an abortion was a winning issue. (But I am not sure that telling women they have the right to kill their baby is much better). To me, what these churches need to do is really apply the lessons of Jesus and tell these women they are loved, that we Christians are on your side, and we will do our best to help you make the best decision you can. There is no one size fits all answer for every woman.
I can go against a core Republican position if I think it is wrong. That is not something these dumb Dems can do. They are still hanging onto their moronic energy policies (yeah sun and wind!) while there are rolling blackouts in California and people paying out their nose for energy in Europe. Global warning is real. Sigh. This global warming and climate change crap is every bit as religious as the anti-abortion movement was. Both demand you follow their teachings or suffer an apocalypse.
There you again, just like your twin brother ET. Deflecting away, refusing to engage in the real issue. SIXTY YEARS! HOw do you explain that?? Of course, all lthe Rep Party fault, and nothing the Dems could do.See, that's the problem. Your contention was "The Dem Party could do nothing in all those 60 years to reverse out the negative actions of the Reps. ".
How, exactly, does one "reverse out" policies when those obstructionist policies were put into place beginning in 2009? Did the government have other things to do during the past 60 years?
This might be the understatement of the decade:
Former Trump White House lawyer Ty Cobb calls him deeply wounded narcissist who acted in criminal way to overturn Biden win
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/09/ty-cobb-former-trump-white-house-lawyer-says-he-violated-constitution.html?__source=androidappshare
"He clearly violated the 14th Amendment of the Constitutions Article III when he gave aid and comfort and three hours of inaction with regard to what was happening on the grounds of the Capitol, he said.
That clearly gave aid and comfort to the insurrectionists, said Cobb, who added that a joint declaration by both chambers of Congress could on those grounds block Trump from being able to regain the White House.
Spokesmen for Trump did not immediately respond to requests for comment on Cobbs remarks.
A former federal prosecutor, Cobb from mid-2017 to mid-2018 managed the Trump White Houses legal response to then-special counsel Robert Muellers investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.In a related matter:
Judge throws out Trump's sprawling lawsuit against Hillary Clinton, ex-FBI officials over Russia probe
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/09/politics/judge-throws-out-trumps-rico-lawsuit-against-hillary-clinton-and-democrats/index.html
Cue our resident Fair and Balanced Pro Repub Campaigning Bothsider JustTK to insist that many, many Dem presidents with deep and long term connections to Russia also violated the Constitution by aiding and abetting the violent, America-hating, cop-killing mob they incited to hang their VP, overturn a free and fair election and overthrow American democracy in perfect accordance with what their Russian masters wanted.
More than THREE FULL YEARS after Trump took office, *poof*, ALL of the gains in the broad Stock Market seen under Trump had evaporated. There was not even a 3% gain left in hard-working Americans' IRA and 401 k retirement funds.
The Dow Jones falls to where it was when Trump took office
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/18/21181976/dow-jones-trump-lower-coronavirus
On January 19, 2017, the day before Trump took office, the Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at 19,804.72. For much of Wednesday, the Dow dropped below that level, meaning that the rise in stock prices Trump touted so recently and that he hoped to ride into this Novembers election no longer really exists.But wait! There's more!
By Christmas of Trump's 2nd year in office, an era fondly remembered as "The Best of Trump Times", the Dow fell to 21792.
That's right, even before losing ALL of their three+ year gains in their Retirement Funds under Trump, Americans had already only seen a measly 10% gain by the end of his second "Best of Trump Times" year!
A head-spinning, jaw-dropping 10 days in the markets
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/28/investing/stock-market-december-volatility/index.html
All of which further supports the contention that the one and only truly "acceptably good" year of Trump's entire presidential term was 2017, the year he did absolutely nothing but coast on the economic trajectory he inherited from Obama-Biden. He only played golf and thought up stupid, insulting nicknames for his critics. His one and only (godawful) economic "stimulus" legislation was not even signed and passed until the very last day of WH business at the end of 2017.
Where it proceeded to flush $2. 5+Trillion down the shitter, produced a MILLION FEWER jobs with it than without it and did not even improve GDP growth by so much as a single percentage point.
Oh, and it also did nothing to temper or prevent Trump's other disastrous decisions from wiping out of millions upon millions of jobs, skyrocketing the unemployment rate, plunging America into another (say it with me) Great Repub Recession, mass murdering at least a million Americans, destroying worldwide economies and global supply chains, triggering inevitable and unavoidable hyper-inflation on the blessed Dem-Biden Recovery.
Little wonder America-hating Repubs long for a repeat of the "good old" Trump days and results.
Your contention was "The Dem Party could do nothing in all those 60 years to reverse out the negative actions of the Reps. ".
How, exactly, does one "reverse out" policies when those obstructionist policies were put into place beginning in 2009? Did the government have other things to do during the past 60 years?My contention is that the Dem Parry had 60 years to increase real minimum wage, and it has not done so. How can anyone claim it is a party of the people?
I didn't understamd the rest of your message. I am talking about the past 60 years, and you raised smthg irrelevant about 2009 as per usual.
Did the govt have other things to do? Sure, like starting wars and coups and making huge handouts to the rich. It is a wolf dressed up in sheep's clothing.
... name an important, complex, difficult but necessary and politically risky legislative accomplishment of the past 100 years now revered by the
vast majority of Americans that was proposed by, fought for, planned, negotiated and passed by Repubs rather than Dems.
You can't. There aren't any.
Its super boring to read your same comments every time. You won't accept any criticism of the Dem Party and deflect everything tlo the Rep party. You still insist on thinking I have
something positive to say about the Rp Party...
One more thing on being bored with the postings from the "Dems" BMs, if you are indeed a true "bothsidesist", "neithersideist", "fence walker" or whatever you're calling yourself, it may
behoove you, to "equally" (according to your so called "bothsidesism" doctrine), put that same zeal and energy into criticizing the "Repubs" BMs posts and I'm sure that they will perhaps relieve you of your boredom.
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I don't think Trump is going to trade places with you and trade fortunes. I think anybody who has had a business in the world would agree that Trump is smarter and more successful than you. Has more respect in the world than you. Jealousy is a big problem with the socialists. They are jealous that people who work hard and are successful have more than the lazy dead beat democrats waiting for government handouts. Yes you make think that republicans are dumbasses for working hard, starting businesses and hiring thousands of people along with paying taxes to support the lazy dead beat democrats but unfortunately someone has to.Unbelievable that lazy socialists on government handouts posting that they are more successful than Trump. Yes it is true jealousy that their lives are miserable and they try to run down people hiring thousands of workers.
Yes when Trump was crowing about his economy businesses were doing better. They were paying higher wages and giving bonuses. Under Biden policies companies are not doing good. Inflation and regulations are killing them. If you say everyone was making more money because all the democrat states raised their minimum wages then it is only the Republicans states that didn't. Are you saying republicans aren't getting high enough wages? Why are you worried about republicans states? People in republicans states get paid proportionally higher because they work harder. Why should a lazy dead beat democrat be guaranteed a higher wage for his poor performance?Trump did have more people working pre pandemic than Biden government has now. People are returning to their old jobs slowly and in democrat states like California it is difficult to get workers because of all the government handouts. California is 70 % democrats and half of them see either deadbeats or on welfare. Biden policies are killing small businesses. It is going to be very difficult for them to raise wages when they are struggling to survive with inflation and regulations.
My contention is that the Dem Parry had 60 years to increase real minimum wage, and it has not done so. How can anyone claim it is a party of the people?
I didn't understamd the rest of your message. I am talking about the past 60 years, and you raised smthg irrelevant about 2009 as per usual.
Did the govt have other things to do? Sure, like starting wars and coups and making huge handouts to the rich. It is a wolf dressed up in sheep's clothing.You clearly wrote "reverse out". When one "reverses out" something, that mean that the "thing" to be "reversed out" already exists. For example, you have a bank balance of $500 USD. A deposit of $200 USD is made. The bank later decides that the $200 USD deposit was made in error. The bank "reverses out" the deposit. What are you left with? $500 USD.
You claim that Democrats could have "reversed out" what Republicans did. Unless you agree that Republicans did absolutely nothing for 60 years, there's nothing to "reverse out".
Your 60 year issue is immaterial. Unless, of course, one assumes that Republicans for the past 60 years wanted to raise the minimum wage and Democrats refused. Which, of course, is utter BS. We are where we are because Republicans believe that working 6 minimum wage jobs for 35 hours per day is perfectly fine.
Obviously disputed. Trump brainpower made him billions. Your brainpower made you dependent on a democrat government that supports welfare and handouts to people mainly democrats who are to lazy to work. When you become president of the USA then you can start comparisons. Lies don't cut it.Please refer to the posts where I said that the Army took over the airports during the Revolutionary War (because I can show you video clips where Donnie the Dumbass said exactly that). Please refer to the posts where I said that shoving a lightbulb up your ass would cure COVID (because I can show you video clips where Donnie the Dumbass said exactly that).
When you can do that, I'll concede that Donnie the Dumbass is smarter than I am.
Yes when Trump was crowing about his economy businesses were doing better. They were paying higher wages and giving bonuses. Under Biden policies companies are not doing good. Inflation and regulations are killing them. If you say everyone was making more money because all the democrat states raised their minimum wages then it is only the Republicans states that didn't. Are you saying republicans aren't getting high enough wages? Why are you worried about republicans states? People in republicans states get paid proportionally higher because they work harder. Why should a lazy dead beat democrat be guaranteed a higher wage for his poor performance?Businesses, workers, jobs creation, wages, national security, the stock market, the health and well-being of the American people, everything is better today than it was on January 19,2021.
No comparison.
My contention is that the Dem Parry had 60 years to increase real minimum wage, and it has not done so. How can anyone claim it is a party of the people?
I didn't understamd the rest of your message. I am talking about the past 60 years, and you raised smthg irrelevant about 2009 as per usual.
Did the govt have other things to do? Sure, like starting wars and coups and making huge handouts to the rich. It is a wolf dressed up in sheep's clothing.And your pro Repub "Bothsiderism" contention turned out to be 100% incorrect, as the report link I provided schooled you on the fact that Dems in Dem states and cities have been raising the minimum wage for quite some time despite Repub leadership passionately opposing it.
And then Repub Trump, who is just one of the Repub "leaders" who passionately opposed it, demonstrated his typical hypocritical Repub gall to take credit for minimum wages going up for women and minorities when all data points and evidence shows his crap economic policy and stewardship did not have a damn thing to do with it.
However, it did have everything to do with his pathetic economic under performance relative to the 11 most recent presidents even during the "Best of Trump Times" and then wiping out millions upon millions of jobs when all of Trump's crap economic policies and stewardship came to full Disastrous Repub fruition months before the worst across-the-board hand-off in history to incoming Biden.
"bothsidesist", "neithersideist", "fence walker" or whatever you're calling yourself, it may
behoove you, to "equally" (according to your so called "bothsidesism" doctrine), put that same zeal and energy into criticizing the "Repubs" BMs posts and I'm sure that they will perhaps relieve you of your boredom.I am not calling myself any of these terms. These are all silly terms that you folks have made up so that you have a label to attack.
I would attack the Reps if they were doing anytihng bad, but since they are not in power. If you look back at my comments, I have only ever said Trump (or Chump, as I like to call him) is a naracissist liar. But, as I have equally said, this should not deflect from the awful track record of the Dems.
You clearly wrote "reverse out". When one "reverses out" something, that mean that the "thing" to be "reversed out" already exists. For example, you have a bank balance of $500 USD. A deposit of $200 USD is made. The bank later decides that the $200 USD deposit was made in error. The bank "reverses out" the deposit. What are you left with? $500 USD.
You claim that Democrats could have "reversed out" what Republicans did. Your pendantry is not a good look PVM. Let me give you an example to show you how it would work:
Minimum real wage is introduced by Dems. Made up figure, lets call it USD 2. Reps get in power and reduce it to USD1. 50. Dems get in power and raise it to USD 3. Reps get in power and reduce it again to 2. 50. Dems get in power and reverse oiut the Rep chaneg back to USD 3. Overall net effect is that Dems have reversed out both Rep cuts (one of them directly) and that real wages have gone up. You can see how it would work now?
Instead, what we got was Reps making big cuts to real miniimum wage, and Dems doing nothing or making insignificant / insufficient raises in real wages.
the report link I provided schooled you..
I think what you actually did was change the subject again. I was talking about federal minumum wage, and you changed the subject, as you always do. Pointing at a few places that have ignored the federal minumum wage and then claiming that's a great thing, just shows how shallow the claim is. I would agree that there are a few good eggs in the Dem basket but as a party they are shlt. Bcos a few good actions by one or 2 folks, pale in to insignificance when you take the actions of the federal government as a whole.
Businesses, workers, jobs creation, wages, national security, the stock market, the health and well-being of the American people, everything is better today than it was on January 19,2021.
No comparison.No comparison. Everything was better under Trump presidency than it is today. There is not one thing better on Biden presidency for law abiding USA citizens. On the other hand if you are in USA illegally or are a criminal then yes everything is better than Trump. If you are a terrorist country or hate the USA then yes the Biden presidency is better for you. Yes if you are China or Russia then things are better for you with Biden presidency. But the majority of Americans are not here illegally or are not criminals so Trump presidency was far better for them. Possibly you fall into one of the above scenarios that make the Biden presidency good for you.
Your pendantry is not a good look PVM. Let me give you an example to show you how it would work:
Minimum real wage is introduced by Dems. Made up figure, lets call it USD 2. Reps get in power and reduce it to USD1. 50. Dems get in power and raise it to USD 3. Reps get in power and reduce it again to 2. 50. Dems get in power and reverse oiut the Rep chaneg back to USD 3. Overall net effect is that Dems have reversed out both Rep cuts (one of them directly) and that real wages have gone up. You can see how it would work now?
Instead, what we got was Reps making big cuts to real miniimum wage, and Dems doing nothing or making insignificant / insufficient raises in real wages.Your example does not reflect what actually happened, does it? It seems rather disingenuous to make up with an example that supports your position. But that's what you do, isn't it? The federal minimum wage was introduced be a Democrat in the late 1930's. Repubs have never actually lowered it, not once. So your example is BS.
The "real world" federal minimum wage ought to be about $21 USD per hour if the minimum wage were tied to productivity which it used to be prior to 1968) although probably quite unintentionally). https://cepr.net/this-is-what-minimum-wage-would-be-if-it-kept-pace-with-productivity/.
In truth, the federal minimum wage has been raised 23 times since it was introduced. Can you hazard a guess as to how many of those 23 times Republicans had control of Congress? 2 (two) times. The means twice. It also means that 21 out of 23 times the minimum wage was raised when Democrats had control of Congress. That means that over 90% of the time. Democrats raised the minimum wage and less than 10% of the time Republicans raised the minimum wage. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/feb/14/facebook-posts/yes-democrats-held-majority-almost-every-time-cong/.
I have already said that the minimum wage ought to be higher. And yes, Democrats ought to shoulder some of the blame for that. However, the current crop of Republicans (the "just say no" crowd) has refused to do any actual governing since 2008. They have continually voted against raising the minimum wage to anything near what it ought to be. Please feel free to provide any examples whatsoever to the contrary. That means actual examples where Republican Senators and Congresspeople have said something like "I believe that the Federal minimum wage ought to be well over $15 per hour".
Trump did have more people working pre pandemic than Biden government has now. People are returning to their old jobs slowly and in democrat states like California it is difficult to get workers because of all the government handouts. California is 70 % democrats and half of them see either deadbeats or on welfare. Biden policies are killing small businesses. It is going to be very difficult for them to raise wages when they are struggling to survive with inflation and regulations."Trump did have more people working pre pandemic than Biden government has now." Only in your dreams: https://www.statista.com/statistics/269959/employment-in-the-united-states/.
Why do you continue to fabricate stuff when a 15-secods internet search will turn up hundreds if articles that show that you are full of it?
I think what you actually did was change the subject again. I was talking about federal minumum wage, and you changed the subject, as you always do. Pointing at a few places that have ignored the federal minumum wage and then claiming that's a great thing, just shows how shallow the claim is. I would agree that there are a few good eggs in the Dem basket but as a party they are shlt. Bcos a few good actions by one or 2 folks, pale in to insignificance when you take the actions of the federal government as a whole.Here are the two previous times you made your point / stated your contention. Nowhere does the phrase "Federal minimun wage" appear:
USA minimum wage a disgrace
US minimum wage is worth less today that what it was 60 years ago. There has been no increase in 13 years:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/20/the-7point25-dollar-federal-minimum-wage-is-worth-less-than-it-was-60-years-ago-.html
Of course this is all the Reps fault. The Dem Party could do nothing in all those 60 years to reverse out the negative actions of the Reps. Its a disgrace, and its a disgrace that some people think that either party cares about the people.
My contention is that the Dem Parry had 60 years to increase real minimum wage, and it has not done so. How can anyone claim it is a party of the people?
I didn't understamd the rest of your message. I am talking about the past 60 years, and you raised smthg irrelevant about 2009 as per usual.
Did the govt have other things to do? Sure, like starting wars and coups and making huge handouts to the rich. It is a wolf dressed up in sheep's clothing.Dems have raised the minimim wage IN THE USA many times over the years, quite recently in fact, in some of the most highly populated cities and states IN THE USA.
No comparison. Everything was better under Trump presidency than it is today. There is not one thing better on Biden presidency for law abiding USA citizens. On the other hand if you are in USA illegally or are a criminal then yes everything is better than Trump. If you are a terrorist country or hate the USA then yes the Biden presidency is better for you. Yes if you are China or Russia then things are better for you with Biden presidency. But the majority of Americans are not here illegally or are not criminals so Trump presidency was far better for them. Possibly you fall into one of the above scenarios that make the Biden presidency good for you.Trump to leave office with the worst jobs record since Herbert Hoover
https://fortune.com/2021/01/11/us-economy-jobs-numbers-trump-compared-past-presidents-worst-record-since-hoover/
Fact check: Chart of job growth by president shows historic unemployment under Trump
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/06/fact-check-pandemic-unaccounted-presidential-job-growth-chart/6177339002/
Trumps Final Numbers
Statistical indicators of President Trump's four years in office.
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/10/trumps-final-numbers/
A sampling of the highlights:
-The economy lost 2.9 million jobs.
-The unemployment rate increased by 1.6 percentage points to 6.3%.
-The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 40.5% from 2016.
-The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million.
-The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion.
-Illegal immigration increased. Apprehensions at the Southwest border rose 14.7% last year compared with 2016.
-Coal production declined 26.5%, and coal-mining jobs dropped by 16.7%. Carbon emissions from energy consumption dropped 11.5%.
-Handgun production rose 12.5% last year compared with 2016, setting a new record.
-The murder rate last year rose to the highest level since 1997.
Last Trump Job Approval 34%; Average Is Record-Low 41%
https://news.gallup.com/poll/328637/last-trump-job-approval-average-record-low.aspx
IRS sees his tax returns every year. At least he pays taxes. You don't! He employs thousands of people and is an incredible asset to America. You don't pay taxes and aren't. It doesn't matter if he is a billionaire or not. He is much more successful than you.I probably pay more taxes than Trump does. As do you.
A special message just for you:
https://youtu.be/BJ0vPIo9eyY As if Donnie J. Dummkopf paid his "real" taxes (...kkkk!). The only taxes I, see him paying, are those commensurate with any tax cheating grifter, which probably ain't much.
Only the QAnon\Repub\Bothsidesists Trump-Humping, "slave-hordes", would believe that Trump actually made money at any of his businesses, to the tune of a billion dollars. Perhaps they took their schooling at Trump University (another failure, BTW).
If Donnie J. Dummkopf (aka.Agent Orange), is in fact now a billionaire, he only become one in the last 4-5 years.
Meaning he become a billionaire, primarily through two (2) grifts. First, from WH under the table bribes from places like Saudi Arabia, Russia, Turkey ...etc, most likely for those top secret/classified documents (illegally obtained), that he left behind in his hotel room while visiting.
Secondly, on the "backs of slave-hordes" of the QAnon/Repub/Bothsiderists feckless cult-faithless. With all the MAGA "Save America", "Stop the Steal" or "...If you UNCHECK this (monthly contribution) box, we will tell Trump, you're a DEFECTOR and have sided with the Dems" email campaigns, he was able to bilk hundreds of millions from his gullible donors.
So thanks to the grifting while in office the gullible orange cult-faithless, yeah...I think he's a billionaire, now.
No comparison. Everything was better under Trump presidency than it is today. There is not one thing better on Biden presidency for law abiding USA citizens. On the other hand if you are in USA illegally or are a criminal then yes everything is better than Trump. If you are a terrorist country or hate the USA then yes the Biden presidency is better for you. Yes if you are China or Russia then things are better for you with Biden presidency. But the majority of Americans are not here illegally or are not criminals so Trump presidency was far better for them. Possibly you fall into one of the above scenarios that make the Biden presidency good for you.You are right especially about the illegals and criminals thinking Biden presidency is better than Trump. California proves this point. And yes it is a huge benefit for our enemies like the Taliban and Iran. Biden gave the Taliban $85 Billion in advanced weapons and Biden continues to support Iran even though Iran says death to America. There is a huge possibility that the people who dispute this will be illegals, criminals or foreigners.
Your example does not reflect what actually happened, does it? It seems rather disingenuous to make up with an example that supports your position. But that's what you do, isn't it? The federal minimum wage was introduced be a Democrat in the late 1930's. Repubs have never actually lowered it, not once. So your example is BS.
The "real world" federal minimum wage ought to be about $21 USD per hour if the minimum wage were tied to productivity which it used to be prior to 1968) although probably quite unintentionally). https://cepr.net/this-is-what-minimum-wage-would-be-if-it-kept-pace-with-productivity/.
In truth, the federal minimum wage has been raised 23 times since it was introduced. Can you hazard a guess as to how many of those 23 times Republicans had control of Congress? 2 (two) times. The means twice. It also means that 21 out of 23 times the minimum wage was raised when Democrats had control of Congress. That means that over 90% of the time. Democrats raised the minimum wage and less than 10% of the time Republicans raised the minimum wage. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/feb/14/facebook-posts/yes-democrats-held-majority-almost-every-time-cong/.
I have already said that the minimum wage ought to be higher. And yes, Democrats ought to shoulder some of the blame for that. However, the current crop of Republicans (the "just say no" crowd) has refused to do any actual governing since 2008. They have continually voted against raising the minimum wage to anything near what it ought to be. Please feel free to provide any examples whatsoever to the contrary. That means actual examples where Republican Senators and Congresspeople have said something like "I believe that the Federal minimum wage ought to be well over $15 per hour".I agree that minimum wage should be on productivity and it is in most republican states. If it were on productivity everywhere republican workers will be making $25 per hour and democrats $5 or less. You are right dead beat lazy democrats should be paid on productivity and many states do pay them that way.
MarquisdeSade1
09-10-22, 23:26
Be careful out there, many of those putas are fake.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/florida-prostitution-sting/2022/09/09/id/1086822/
Your example does not reflect what actually happened, does it?.It wasn't meant to, was it?
You said smthg was not possible based on me using the word "reverse". I showed you how it ws. My example was effectivlety what has happened, regardless of my lack of intention to make it so. Your rebuttal was against federal wage changes. My original question and explanation wwas about real wage changes / different beast.
Dems have raised the minimim wage IN THE USA many times over the years, quite recently in fact, in some of the most highly populated cities and states IN THE USA.Raised the minimum wage, but the real minimum wage has is now lower than 60 years ago. I never said they hadn't increased the min wage. I am referring to REAL min wage. The link I gave you in my original post was quite clear what I was talking about. You even referred to it and acknowledged it yourself. You're the one that is trying to shoft the goal posts again and discuss smthg else so you can avoid the issue at hand.
Raised the minimum wage, but the real minimum wage has is now lower than 60 years ago. I never said they hadn't increased the min wage. I am referring to REAL min wage. The link I gave you in my original post was quite clear what I was talking about. You even referred to it and acknowledged it yourself. You're the one that is trying to shoft the goal posts again and discuss smthg else so you can avoid the issue at hand.Play all the pro Repub "Bothsider" word games you want, it won't change that fact that you are wrong about Dems re the minimum wage:
U.S. minimum wage: real and nominal value 1938-2022
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1065466/real-nominal-value-minimum-wage-us/
When adjusted for inflation, the 2022 federal minimum wage in the United States is around 40 percent lower than the minimum wage in 1970. Although the real dollar minimum wage in 1970 was only 1.60 U.S. dollars, when expressed in nominal 2022 dollars this increases to 12.04 U.S. dollars. A large difference from the federal minimum wage in 2022 of 7.25 U.S. dollars.Blue State Minimum Wages Inch Upward, Widening Gap With South
May 24, 2022
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/blue-state-minimum-wages-inch-upward-widening-gap-with-south
As California, D.C. top $15, Hawaii bill sets $18 floor.
20 states hold steady at federal rate of $7.25.
A grocery store cashier whos guaranteed $15 per hour in California can legally be paid $7.25 in Texas and 19 other statesa gap in state minimum wages thats set to widen further in the year ahead.
...
California, the District of Columbia, and much of New York already require wages of $15 per hour or more. Massachusetts, and likely Washington state, will join them in 2023. And California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) announced earlier this month that his states minimum wage is expected to rise to $15.50 next January, as an inflation-based adjustment.
Now, let's see you wiggle, squirm and pretzel twist out a pro Repub "Bothsider" case for $15 - $18 being less than $12.04.
It wasn't meant to, was it?
You said smthg was not possible based on me using the word "reverse". I showed you how it ws. My example was effectivlety what has happened, regardless of my lack of intention to make it so. Your rebuttal was against federal wage changes. My original question and explanation wwas about real wage changes / different beast.I have resisted trying to explain to someone who doesn't live in the US about how the Federal legislative system works. But since you seem hell-bent on trying to "prove" that Dems are even dumber than Re, here is some food for thought.
In the US, the Senate must pass legislation in order for it to be approved. The general procedure is that the House of Representatives passes a "bill" and then the Senate makes changes (or not), the bill is "negotiated" between the two houses and then the bill is either passed or not by the Senate.
The key issue here, and one that almost nobody understands, is that for the Senate to "pass" anything (with a few exceptions like a budget or judgeships or a few very other very narrow exceptions) requires 60 (now, but prior to 1975, 66) votes. That's called the filibuster.
Therefore, for the Democrats to pass any type of minimum wage increase, they would need (assuming no Re help) a filibuster-proof majority. Something they last had in 1975.
I realize that this is a difficult concept top understand but that's the way the process works. If a sufficient number of Re want to block something in the Senate, Democrats still need to get (at present) 12 Re/ Independent Senators (there are 48 Democrats in the Senate, 2 Independents and 50 Re) to vote for it (assuming, of course, that all Democrats are "for" the bill).
When one political party says, in essence, "we don't give a shit what it is, we're voting against it even if our constituents want it", it is virtually impossible to get anything done.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-democrats-cant-do-as-long-as-the-filibuster-remains-in-place-and-what-they-can/ https://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/04/28/a-look-back-at-the-last-filibuster-proof-majority-in-the-senate/.
I agree that minimum wage should be on productivity and it is in most republican states. If it were on productivity everywhere republican workers will be making $25 per hour and democrats $5 or less. You are right dead beat lazy democrats should be paid on productivity and many states do pay them that way.Sure thing. Now provide proof of your fantasy.
I'll wait.
Oh, and please tell me why Re-run states have for years taken more in Federal money than they've paid to the Feds. After all, of all of those Re- run states were so productive, they should be giving more to the Feds than they get back.
MarquisdeSade1
09-11-22, 17:36
https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/09/biden-administration-engaged-in-a-massive-censorship-campaign/
ScatManDoo
09-11-22, 22:25
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Now, let's see you wiggle, squirm and pretzel twist out a pro Repub "Bothsider" case for $15 - $18 being less than $12.04.No wiggling necessary from me. I am still here waiting for you to address the subject I raised, which is the national / federal minum wage. All the wiggling and squirming is clearly being done by yoy since you try to change the subject with every post.
The key issue here, .. called the filibuster.
Something they last had in 1975.
I realize that this is a difficult concept top understand...
It might be difficult to understand to a USAn that suffers from underfunded state education. That's fine. I will go easy on you.
The filibuster. Right, so this is an EXPLANATION, a reason why the Dems have got nothing useful done. So your agreeing with me that the Dems have got nothing useful done. So we agree now that they have an appalling track record, especially in modern history? So why does ET bang on in every comment he makes about how superb have been the Dem acheivements?
Well, who knows, at least you and I agree now that the Dems have done nothing useful since 1975.
ScatManDoo
09-12-22, 02:43
No wiggling necessary from me. I am still here waiting for you to address the subject I raised, which is the national / federal minum wage. All the wiggling and squirming is clearly being done by yoy since you try to change the subject with every post.Raising the minimum wage has been desired by most or all democrats. Raising the minimum wage is opposed by nearly all republicans.
JustTK: Why do you hold Democrats responsible for the minimum wage falling in purchasing value?
No wiggling necessary from me. I am still here waiting for you to address the subject I raised, which is the national / federal minum wage. All the wiggling and squirming is clearly being done by yoy since you try to change the subject with every post.What are you talking about? Do you even know? I provided substantiation that replied to your inaccurate pro Repub "Bothsiderism" contention and destroyed it from the very beginning.
Dems ARE and HAVE BEEN raising the minimum wage, the "real" one, the "nominal" one, both of them all along for years. Even the "blahblah" one you no doubt will conjure up next in order to justify suckers voting for your beloved Repubs so they can continue their mission to wipe out millions of USA jobs whenever they can.
The Dems do it where they can do it. Where they can override persistent Repub objections to it. Therefore, they do it at the state and local level rather than in the Senate where outright Repubs and wiggly, squirmy, stealth "Bothsider" Repubs like you have foolishly been given too many seats to get it done there.
As you see in the link that I provided twice already the Dems have done it in California, New York, Massachusetts, the District of Columbia and elsewhere, places that damn near represent half of the working population of America anyway. Certainly some of the only states that matter to the national economy; Blue states where human beings far outnumber rattle snakes and tumble weeds and where there are more skyscrapers and office buildings than outhouses, unlike most Red states.
If the "Real" minimum wage had not been raised so effectively by Dems around the country over the objections of Repubs, Trump could not have cited it in the data when he lied to his sucker followers about it having a damn thing to do with his otherwise crap economy. And Repubs would have no basis to whine and complain that there is "too much money" flooding the roaring Biden economy during his historic recovery from the latest (say it with me now) Great Repub Recession and Massive Job Destruction.
Elvis 2008
09-12-22, 03:11
It might be difficult to understand to a USAn that suffers from underfunded state education. That's fine. I will go easy on you.
The filibuster. Right, so this is an explanation, a reason why the Dems have got nothing useful done. So your agreeing with me that the Dems have got nothing useful done. So we agree now that they have an appalling track record, especially in modern history? So why does ET bang on in every comment he makes about how superb have been the Dem acheivements?
Well, who knows, at least you and I agree now that the Dems have done nothing useful since 1975.LOL. Good one JustTK. You said it best when you said you are arguing with people who are like Evangelicals. That is what these people are. Their version of science is not data based but faith based.
I doubt you will get an answer, but if you do, somehow the Dems not getting anything done since 1975 was Trump's fault.
I still did not know when I hired people I looked up and saw who was president and said, "Oh wait, a Republicans is in office. Better not hire someone yet. " but apparently that is how things really work.
Therefore, for the Democrats to pass any type of minimum wage increase, they would need (assuming no Re help) a filibuster-proof majority. Something they last had in 1975.Actually, two economists, Gabriel Zucman and Emmanuel Saez, who advise Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, came up with a way to get it done. It would involve a tax on employers that pay less than some arbitrary amount, say $15 per hour, combined with a tax refund to employees who are paid less than that amount. The effect would be to make the minimum wage $15 for this example. This could get by with 51 votes, a simple majority, if attached to a reconciliation bill.
The last time this was voted on, 8 Democratic Senators voted not to raise the minimum wage. Remember Kyrsten Sinema's infamous "thumbs down. ".
I believe this is something that should be decided at the state and local level. Federal politicians have no business meddling in it. What makes sense for New York City and Seattle, $25 per hour or whatever, would put people out of work in Mississippi.
It might be difficult to understand to a USAn that suffers from underfunded state education. That's fine. I will go easy on you.
The filibuster. Right, so this is an EXPLANATION, a reason why the Dems have got nothing useful done. So your agreeing with me that the Dems have got nothing useful done. So we agree now that they have an appalling track record, especially in modern history? So why does ET bang on in every comment he makes about how superb have been the Dem acheivements?
Well, who knows, at least you and I agree now that the Dems have done nothing useful since 1975.You are the one who said that the Democrats have gotten nothing done since the mid-1970's. I said nothing of the kind. I said that Democrats do share some of the blame.
I am truly sorry that you don't understand how the USA government works but I didn't expect you to. I don't know whether it is your lack of education or whether it is a refusal to do a simple internet search to learn something new. I realize that you feel that all that's necessary is to snap your fingers to make something happen. Donnie the Dumbass thinks that way too.
But the filibuster is a way of life in USA government. Nobody likes it except whomever is in the minority and the Re[pubs have been in the majority a lot. The filibuster has been the reason the QOP has been so successful in the past 60-some-odd years. All they need to do is vote no in the Senate and all useful work stops. Then they can lie and say how the Dems haven't gotten anything done. Case in point is President Biden's infrastructure plan. Lots of the QOP voted against it and they are now touting to the brain-dead people who voted for them how much money they're bringing back home. And their constituents are simply too stupid to know any better.
Actually, two economists, Gabriel Zucman and Emmanuel Saez, who advise Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, came up with a way to get it done. It would involve a tax on employers that pay less than some arbitrary amount, say $15 per hour, combined with a tax refund to employees who are paid less than that amount. The effect would be to make the minimum wage $15 for this example. This could get by with 51 votes, a simple majority, if attached to a reconciliation bill.
The last time this was voted on, 8 Democratic Senators voted not to raise the minimum wage. Remember Kyrsten Sinema's infamous "thumbs down. ".
I believe this is something that should be decided at the state and local level. Federal politicians have no business meddling in it. What makes sense for New York City and Seattle, $25 per hour or whatever, would put people out of work in Mississippi.So the only way to do this without the filibuster would be to raise taxes. What have you been smoking to think that the QOP would go along with that?
FYI, the lowest livable wage state in the USA is Tennessee where $14.38 per hour is considered a "living wage". Somehow, though, the QOP that runs TN would rather keep the minimum wage at $7.25 'cause, you know.
One more thing on being bored with the postings from the "Dems" BMs, if you are indeed a true "bothsidesist", "neithersideist", "fence walker" or whatever you're calling yourself, it may behoove you ...
I am not calling myself any of these terms. These are all silly terms that you folks have made up so that you have a label to attack...Really us folks?
I imagine at some point, it all just becomes a blur, as to what's real, what is truth or NOT? So allow me to refresh.
LOOK HERE:
I have no idea what MDS writes. Its like trying to decipher The Riddler. He doesn't seem tloo be able to put a single coherent sentence together.
You have taken that upon urself by supporting the status quo. "I can't support change, bcos it will never happen" BS.
Bothsiderism. No, I am Neithersiderism.AND HERE:
As he said its not bothsiderism, its neithersideism ...To his credit, even MDS1 (in one his more "coherent" posts), pointed out the fact that you called yourself, a person of "neithersideism".
I am not calling myself any of these terms...Really? From your own posts, that's not true, now is it.
So is it lying? Is it denial? Slip of the tongue? Simple case of forgetfulness or perhaps something in-between, on both sides or is it neither?
So which is it?
Trump to leave office with the worst jobs record since Herbert Hoover
https://fortune.com/2021/01/11/us-economy-jobs-numbers-trump-compared-past-presidents-worst-record-since-hoover/
Fact check: Chart of job growth by president shows historic unemployment under Trump
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/06/fact-check-pandemic-unaccounted-presidential-job-growth-chart/6177339002/
Trumps Final Numbers
Statistical indicators of President Trump's four years in office.
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/10/trumps-final-numbers/
A sampling of the highlights:
Last Trump Job Approval 34%; Average Is Record-Low 41%
https://news.gallup.com/poll/328637/last-trump-job-approval-average-record-low.aspxI'm no fan of Trump. And I'm a huge fan of yours in the Bangkok threads. However I don't believe it makes sense to judge the record of his administration based on the numbers when he left office, almost a year into COVID. The economy was doing nicely, with unemployment levels the lowest since the late 1960's, when COVID hit. And real median household income rose substantially in 2019 for the first time since the Clinton administration. In 2020 dollars, it was $63,292 during 2000, and had only risen to $63,683 during 2016, the last year of the Obama administration. The middle class was just treading water for 16 years. It rose to $69,560 during 2019.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N
This is noted in your FactCheck link, that average weekly earnings were up 8. 7% during Trump's time in office, adjusted for inflation. Since Biden came into office, they've dropped 4. 2%, after inflation, because increases in the prices of goods and services are outpacing increases in wages. The unemployment level, though, is back to where it was before COVID, although a lot of people have dropped out of the workforce.
And how much of all this, good and bad, is because of Trump and Biden? Well, they didn't cause COVID, aren't dictators who control the legislative branch, and don't have much to do with the business cycle or Fed policy, let alone what's happening in places like China and the Ukraine. So maybe not a lot. But I believe some of the legislation they supported and their executive orders had an effect. I'd give the edge to Trump and the Republicans on that. The corporate tax cuts and deregulation helped the economy and increased the demand for labor. And the poorly timed American Rescue Plan provided too much stimulus and added to inflation, just as post-COVID demand was increasing and supply chain glitches were surfacing.
I'm no fan of Trump. And I'm a huge fan of yours in the Bangkok threads. However I don't believe it makes sense to judge the record of his administration based on the numbers when he left office, almost a year into COVID. The economy was doing nicely, with unemployment levels the lowest since the late 1960's, when COVID hit. And real median household income rose substantially in 2019 for the first time since the Clinton administration. In 2020 dollars, it was $63,292 during 2000, and had only risen to $63,683 during 2016, the last year of the Obama administration. The middle class was just treading water for 16 years. It rose to $69,560 during 2019..Of course it is fair to judge Trump for what happened in the wake of his disastrous economic decisions, among the most disastrous of them being to defund the CDC and pull all of the Pandemic Prevention and Response teams out of China in 2018 against all expert warnings not to do something so stupid and dangerous:
I have provided dozens of links to the reports of him doing that. Here is but one:
Exclusive: U.S. slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronavirus outbreak
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv/exclusive-u-s-slashed-cdc-staff-inside-china-prior-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN21C3N5
Followed by his critical year 2020 of self-serving lies that could not have been written better in a script titled. "I Was a Pandemic Producing World Leader."
Do I even need to repost the links for the hundreds of times he lied to the world about what he knew about it, no different than if he had personally intended to convert a regional spread in China into the Trump's Pandemic it became?
And all while he was still working as hard as he could to further defund scientific research, testing and treatment for it.
Trump budget cuts funding for health, science, environment agencies
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/trump-budget-cuts-funding-for-health-science-environment-agencies/2020/02/10/9c8dd784-4c2d-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html
Meanwhile, his pre Trump's Pandemic economy was only fair, below average compared to what we had under the 11 most recent presidents. Too bad he flushed $2.5+ Trillion down the shitter with his godawful December 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act just to squeak out a below average result prior to his ultimate total crap results by the end of his term.
Which, in book, reduces his pre Trump's Pandemic results from "below average" to "crap" as well.
Data show Trump didn't 'build' a great economy. He inherited it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/data-show-trump-didn-t-build-great-economy-he-inherited-n1237793
Don't believe the hype: Trumps economy was plummeting even before the pandemic
https://www.salon.com/2020/10/12/dont-believe-the-hype-trumps-economy-was-plummeting-even-before-the-pandemic_partner/
JustTK: Why do you hold Democrats responsible for the minimum wage falling in purchasing value?Bcos the Reps have no intention of raising it. Only the Dems claim to be a party of the people. That's why I hold them responible. Bcos the a party of fake ne-libs. And bcos we have people here that claim the Dems have a great record of achievements for the people.
LOL. Good one JustTK. You said it best when you said you are arguing with people who are like Evangelicals. That is what these people are. Their version of science is not data based but faith based.
I doubt you will get an answer, but if you do, somehow the Dems not getting anything done since 1975 was Trump's fault.
I still did not know when I hired people I looked up and saw who was president and said, "Oh wait, a Republicans is in office. Better not hire someone yet. " but apparently that is how things really work.Right! We both saw it during COVID, when all they could do was claim "science is one our siide, oh the vaxxes, oh masks, oh science. " and then provide no evidence at all. Its exactly the same here.
And your correct again. That's why every time you criticise the Dems. Their answer is whataboutism. What about Trump, he said this, he did that. Instead of dealing with the issue which is their party's performance. Its why Trump continues to be nr one topic here, bcos its the only means the Dems have to defend their abysmal performance. Classic Whataboutism.
So is it lying? Is it denial? Slip of the tongue? Simple case of forgetfulness or perhaps something in-between, on both sides or is it neither?
So which is it?Its called playing along with your silly games, and inventing a name that fits with YOUR naming style. You folks made up Bothsideerism, so I corrected it to Neithersiderism. If you want to label me, you can call me a transnationalist or anarcho syndicalist. Oh JustTK would be fine.
Bothsiderism, Neithersiderism or Political Schizophrenia? You know, according to your 'your either with us or against us" logic, I am a QAnon Republican supporter. And the same would apply to anyone that supports a third party. Greens, Communists, KKK, whoever. But according to Rep supporters, I would be a leftwing communist nut. And according to the Greens I am an environment destroyer. Surely, even a recipient of PVMs defunded schooling system can see the stupity in this logic.
I'm no fan of Trump. And I'm a huge fan of yours in the Bangkok threads. However I don't believe it makes sense to judge the record of his administration based on the numbers when he left office, almost a year into COVID. The economy was doing nicely, with unemployment levels the lowest since the late 1960's, when COVID hit. And real median household income rose substantially in 2019 for the first time since the Clinton administration. In 2020 dollars, it was $63,292 during 2000, and had only risen to $63,683 during 2016, the last year of the Obama administration. The middle class was just treading water for 16 years. It rose to $69,560 during 2019.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N
This is noted in your FactCheck link, that average weekly earnings were up 8. 7% during Trump's time in office, adjusted for inflation. Since Biden came into office, they've dropped 4. 2%, after inflation, because increases in the prices of goods and services are outpacing increases in wages. The unemployment level, though, is back to where it was before COVID, although a lot of people have dropped out of the workforce..Let's not look at Donnie the Dumbass' numbers because of COVID? Really? Had Donnie the Dumbass actually tried to do something about the problem, things might have been different. But he didn't, did he? He lied and lied then lied some more about COVID instead of actually trying to do something about it. He was singularly unprepared to do anything about COVID because the only things on his mind were "can I make money from COVID?" and "how can I use COVID to get reelected?
And you just used the same pro-tRUMP argument, too, with your "And real median household income rose substantially in 2019 for the first time since the Clinton administration. In 2020 dollars, it was $63,292 during 2000, and had only risen to $63,683 during 2016, the last year of the Obama administration. " statement. You don't want to blame Donnie the Dumbass but you blame Obama because he inherited a recession from W and spent most of his first term trying to fix it.
I can see blaming President Biden if the only country in the world suffering from inflation was the USA. But that's not true, is it? Virtually every country in the world is suffering from inflation, aren't they. Some more, some less but most are suffering from inflation. https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate and https://www.ft.com/content/088d3368-bb8b-4ff3-9df7-a7680d4d81b2 among others. There are many causes for inflation. https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/understanding-global-rise-inflation.
Worldwide inflation, post COVID, can be boiled down to the standard inflation cause: too much money chasing too few goods. That's a fact. For example, almost anybody with a functional brain could have predicted a raise in US gasoline prices post COVID by: too much money chasing too few goods. Refineries were shut down during COVID because there was a glut of gasoline. Nobody was driving so demand was down and gasoline prices did what they always do during a period of high supply combined with low demand. They fell. But it is also a fact that most of the supporters of Donnie the Dumbass complained vocally about gasoline prices early on in President Biden's presidency. Now that gasoline prices have fallen for about 90 days in a row, those same complainers haven't uttered word one. I wonder why that it? Because if they blamed President Biden for the high gasoline prices, they'd have to give him credit for the falling prices also. But the complainers on rightwingnut media haven't said boo about gasoline lately so the Moron Brigade doesn't know how to spin it.
I'm no fan of Trump. And I'm a huge fan of yours in the Bangkok threads. However I don't believe it makes sense to judge the record of his administration based on the numbers when he left office, almost a year into COVID. The economy was doing nicely, with unemployment levels the lowest since the late 1960's, when COVID hit. And real median household income rose substantially in 2019 for the first time since the Clinton administration. In 2020 dollars, it was $63,292 during 2000, and had only risen to $63,683 during 2016, the last year of the Obama administration. The middle class was just treading water for 16 years. It rose to $69,560 during 2019.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N
This is noted in your FactCheck link, that average weekly earnings were up 8. 7% during Trump's time in office, adjusted for inflation. Since Biden came into office, they've dropped 4. 2%, after inflation, because increases in the prices of goods and services are outpacing increases in wages. The unemployment level, though, is back to where it was before COVID, although a lot of people have dropped out of the workforce.
And how much of all this, good and bad, is because of Trump and Biden? Well, they didn't cause COVID, aren't dictators who control the legislative branch, and don't have much to do with the business cycle or Fed policy, let alone what's happening in places like China and the Ukraine. So maybe not a lot. But I believe some of the legislation they supported and their executive orders had an effect. I'd give the edge to Trump and the Republicans on that. The corporate tax cuts and deregulation helped the economy and increased the demand for labor. And the poorly timed American Rescue Plan provided too much stimulus and added to inflation, just as post-COVID demand was increasing and supply chain glitches were surfacing.BTW, I assume you noticed in your link the chart shows huge gains in the real median income during the Clinton years AND during the Obama years, following huge declines in it during the presidencies prior to theirs, both Republican administrations, of course. It also shows that a similar decline in that metric was demonstrably NOT what Trump inherited from Obama.
So it is extremely disingenuous to then carve out a praise for Trump's numbers as though he got it there as the result of his policies after inheriting a plummetting trajectory for it from his immediate predecessor the same as Clinton and Obama did.
You know that isn't what happened in Trump's case when that is exactly what happened in Clinton and Obama's case.
Your linked chart shows it.
Trump merely sat in his golf cart and let the real median income continue on the upward trajectory it had been heading for years under Obama, who inherited one of the deepest plunges on the metric of all time.
Then it took a sharp dip again in 2020 when Trump's idiotic economic decisions regarding defunding the CDC going back to 2018 came home to roost along with his nearly year long effort to convert a regional viral spread in China into Trump's Pandemic and all of the economic disasters that followed.
It isn't as though every incoming president begins his economic decision-making, policy agenda and stewardship from the same starting point conditions. Far from it.
And in at least 100 years the incoming conditions have never been worse than for the incoming FDR, Barack Obama and Joe Biden administrations.
LOL. I am sure any incoming Dem administration would have loved to have been greeted with conditions as good as those that greeted Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, George W. Bush and Trump.
By stark contrast, NO Repub would have wanted to inherit economic conditions as challenging as those that greeted FDR, JFK / LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Obama and Biden. A Repub would not have had the slighest clue what to do about it except how to make it worse.
As well as the data show the best aspects of the Trump economy was what he inherited from Obama-Biden they also show the worst aspects of Biden's economy is what he inherited from Trump. Which is typical of all incoming Dem vs incoming Repub administrations.
Right! We both saw it during COVID, when all they could do was claim "science is one our siide, oh the vaxxes, oh masks, oh science. " and then provide no evidence at all. Its exactly the same here.
And your correct again. That's why every time you criticise the Dems. Their answer is whataboutism. What about Trump, he said this, he did that. Instead of dealing with the issue which is their party's performance. Its why Trump continues to be nr one topic here, bcos its the only means the Dems have to defend their abysmal performance. Classic Whataboutism.Evangelicalism and Born Again Christianity is based on a faith in something irrational, unseen, unheard, unknown and unprovable.
Dem economic stewardship results vs Repub economic stewardship results are well documented, recorded and easily reviewed and researched in the data kept by non partisan agencies and entities charged with those responsibilities; the National Bureau of Economic Research, the Bureau of Labor Statistics, even the Federal Reserve, to name a few.
For example, Dems having raised the real minimum wage for millions of American workers over the years while Repubs have largely been resisting and obstructing those efforts is not a matter of unproven faith. It is right there in the state and local employment and wage figures and in the Congressional voting records.
LOL. Good one JustTK. You said it best when you said you are arguing with people who are like Evangelicals. That is what these people are. Their version of science is not data based but faith based.
I doubt you will get an answer, but if you do, somehow the Dems not getting anything done since 1975 was Trump's fault.
I still did not know when I hired people I looked up and saw who was president and said, "Oh wait, a Republicans is in office. Better not hire someone yet. " but apparently that is how things really work.So, when COVID was in its infancy, what approach would you have advocated for? And, unlike your usual posts, back up your arguments with articles from, say January 1, 2020 to April 1, 2020. Any article that definitively said what to do about COVID that has been proven true as of today.
I'll wait but I won't hold my breath.
Its called playing along with your silly games, and inventing a name that fits with YOUR naming style. You folks made up Bothsideerism, so I corrected it to Neithersiderism. If you want to label me, you can call me a transnationalist or anarcho syndicalist. Oh JustTK would be fine.So what is it this week? (...eyes rolling to the back of my head).
Who even the f#*K cares, what the hell, you're calling yourself, this week?
Your "political schizophrenia", is right on track with well known QAnon/Repubs quackery of untruths and disinformation, dressed up to look like "bothsidesism" and vice-versa.
No need to change what I've always known to be true. I don't suffer from your affliction!
You know, according to your 'your either with us or against us" logic, I am a QAnon Republican supporter. And the same would apply to anyone that supports a third party. Greens, Communists, KKK, whoever. But according to Rep supporters, I would be a leftwing communist nut. And according to the Greens I am an environment destroyer. Surely, even a recipient of PVMs defunded schooling system can see the stupity in this logic. Sorry can't help with your affliction of "political schizophrenia"!
But if you're asking my opinion, then you could always seek help from your QAnon/Repubs brethren, with any psychiatry options. Especially those with degrees from Trump University.
Again, sorry, I don't suffer from your affliction, but check with your comrades.
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ScatManDoo
09-13-22, 18:16
When TrumpShit goes to trial, he will face numerous charges.
Including the three criminal statues listed in the legal FBI search warrant. None of those three criminal statues require the stolen and hidden documents be classified.
The crimes were stealing government records and property, which TrumpShit does not own.
Biden and Fauci are too old farts that got immunized, so they did not get seriously ill when they got Trump's plague. Immunization worked for them and millions of other old folks like me.
MarquisdeSade1
09-13-22, 18:19
LOL they do this with everything.
If they aren't fudging the stats like ET they are lying with omissions.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/dick-morris-donald-trump-book/2022/09/13/id/1087244/
https://ilovetheupperwestside.com/following-controversy-columbia-drops-to-no-18-on-u-s-news-list/
So typical, the left knows they can't "win" unless they cheat.
When TrumpShit goes to trial, he will face numerous charges.
Including the three criminal statues listed in the legal FBI search warrant. None of those three criminal statues require the stolen and hidden documents be classified.
The crimes were stealing government records and property, which TrumpShit does not own.
Biden and Fauci are too old farts that got immunized, so they did not get seriously ill when they got Trump's plague. Immunization worked for them and millions of other old folks like me.Trump just wants to get his tiny hands on those documents seized by the FBI again so he can wave his magic presidential wand and make them more "legal" like this one:
Tooms and PVMonger,
You conveniently omitted this part of my post from the quotes.
"And how much of all this, good and bad, is because of Trump and Biden? Well, they didn't cause COVID, aren't dictators who control the legislative branch, and don't have much to do with the business cycle or Fed policy, let alone what's happening in places like China and the Ukraine. So maybe not a lot. "
I think Trump and Biden suck, and Obama and George W. Bush sucked when they were in office. I've voted for losers in at least the last 7 presidential elections.
I'll try to reply. You've thrown everything at me but the kitchen sink, so it may take a while. I'll start with Trump and COVID.
Of course it is fair to judge Trump for what happened in the wake of his disastrous economic decisions, among the most disastrous of them being to defund the CDC and pull all of the Pandemic Prevention and Response teams out of China in 2018 against all expert warnings not to do something so stupid and dangerous:
I have provided dozens of links to the reports of him doing that. Here is but one:
Exclusive: U.S. slashed CDC staff inside China prior to coronavirus outbreak
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv/exclusive-u-s-slashed-cdc-staff-inside-china-prior-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN21C3N5
Followed by his critical year 2020 of self-serving lies that could not have been written better in a script titled. "I Was a Pandemic Producing World Leader."
Do I even need to repost the links for the hundreds of times he lied to the world about what he knew about it, no different than if he had personally intended to convert a regional spread in China into the Trump's Pandemic it became?
And all while he was still working as hard as he could to further defund scientific research, testing and treatment for it.
Trump budget cuts funding for health, science, environment agencies
https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/trump-budget-cuts-funding-for-health-science-environment-agencies/2020/02/10/9c8dd784-4c2d-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html
Fair enough. Trump's China policies sucked. In particular his tariffs on toys, clothes, cheap electronics and the like were stupid. The Chinese cut off imports of soybeans and other products from the USA, and started building factories in places like Vietnam to supply the same items at higher prices. A classic lose-lose deal.
But having those extra people working for the CDC in China probably wouldn't have made one iota of difference. Like your article says,
"Some health experts were skeptical that more CDC employees operating inside China would have made a difference in stemming the outbreak. Beijing has been widely criticized for silencing its own public health officials who warned of a deadly new respiratory disease emanating from the Chinese city of Wuhan and surrounding Hubei province." The problem was China, not that we didn't have CDC people in China," said Scott McNabb, a former CDC epidemiologist who is now a research professor with Emory University. He pointed to China's censorship as the main culprit in the spread of the pandemic, which has infected at least 435,470 people worldwide, killed 19,598 and upended the global economy. "
Yes, I too would fault Trump for lying about COVID. Also, instead of using the bully pulpit to try to persuade people to social distance and wear KN95 and N95 masks and the like, he was holding super spreader events. On the other hand, his administration did come up with Operation Warp Speed. Fauci and Redfield among others praise the administration for that. Trump was pushing the FDA as hard as he could to approve the vaccines. Now admittedly, that was self serving, because he thought it would help him in the election, but in hindsight it was the right thing to do. I don't think Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden would have gotten the shots in peoples arms nearly as quickly. That saved lives. I was getting a gold standard Pfizer vaccine in February, 2021, while I imagine you were still waiting on puny ass SinoVac shots in Thailand.
As to lockdowns and masks and the like, after the initial couple of months that was mostly left up to the states and localities. My guess is that, with Trump in office, there were fewer lockdowns than there would have been under President Hillary Clinton. And that was a plus for the economy and negative for public health. But really, how much difference did he make? People are going to do what people are going to do. After the first couple of months, lockdowns and mask mandates were left up to the states and localities. A good part of the reason death rates are higher for the USA is because of the people, not Trump. Where I live at least, most people wouldn't wear masks, let alone the ones that really work (N95 and KN95). Vaccination rates in the USA haven't been what they are in Europe. We could argue all day about whether personal liberties, like the God given right not to wear a mask, outweigh public health. But the fact is, in the USA, you can't always get people to do what's in their and their communities' best interests, like mask up, social distance, and get vaccinated. It's not Taiwan or Thailand.
As to the huge deficits the USA ran up during COVID, those were bipartisan. Spending and budget bills originate in the House, and Democrats controlled the House.
And one last thought. George W. Bush was the last and maybe the only president who took Pandemic preparation seriously. Our stocks of PPE ran down during the Obama and Trump administrations. Once we knew we had a pandemic on our hands, we should have spent crazy money on quality masks and tests in my opinion. "Crazy money" would only be a drop in the bucket by the side of what we spent on stimulus. With the money saved by getting people back to work and lowering hospital bills, this would have paid for itself. Trump wasn't a big fan of that. But, Biden didn't do much either. Where were the tests when Omicron hit? Nobody could get tests. Biden's "mailbox masks" were too little, too late. I have to give Biden credit for mostly setting a good example though, unlike Trump.
LOL they do this with everything. ...
So typical, the left knows they can't "win" unless they cheat.
There's cheating and then there's C.H.E.A.T.I.N.G. !!!
Donnie J. Dummkopf (QAnon\Repub mob boss and arch cheater and grifter extraordinary) asked Georgia secretary of state to 'find' 11.7k ballots, to subvert democracy and the American way of life.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/532433-trump-asked-georgia-secretary-of-state-to-find-116k-ballots/
Donald Trump Has Cheated His Way Through His Entire Life.
https://trofire.com/2019/04/06/donald-trump-has-cheated-his-way-through-his-entire-life/
10 People Who Say Trump Has Cheated Them Out of Money.
https://www.alternet.org/2016/09/10-people-who-say-trump-has-cheated-them-out-money/
Several Repub states created/published fraudulent election documents to cheat in state elections and claim they had won in their states.
https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2021/02/16/the-voter-fraud-you-didnt-hear-about-wisconsins-electoral-college-imposters/
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/after-2020-trump-backers-forged-election-docs-even-more-states-n1287365
Next QAnon bothsiderists, will have you withholding your vote and NOT VOTING or voting for the Greens. All of which are good choices and considerations for the QAnon/Repub/Bothsiderists gullible cult brethren.
More Repubs Embracing Bothsidesism? .Only in your binary version of the world in which you can only see 2 options. I thought only insects and insect-like minds saw things in a binary world. Clearly I was mistaken. Maybe that's why your called Spidery.
Tooms and PVMonger,
You conveniently omitted this part of my post from the quotes.
"And how much of all this, good and bad, is because of Trump and Biden? Well, they didn't cause COVID, aren't dictators who control the legislative branch, and don't have much to do with the business cycle or Fed policy, let alone what's happening in places like China and the Ukraine. So maybe not a lot. "
I think Trump and Biden suck, and Obama and George W. Bush sucked when they were in office. I've voted for losers in at least the last 7 presidential elections.
I'll try to reply. You've thrown everything at me but the kitchen sink, so it may take a while. I'll start with Trump and COVID.
Fair enough. Trump's China policies sucked. In particular his tariffs on toys, clothes, cheap electronics and the like were stupid. The Chinese cut off imports of soybeans and other products from the USA, and started building factories in places like Vietnam to supply the same items at higher prices. A classic lose-lose deal.
But having those extra people working for the CDC in China probably wouldn't have made one iota of difference. Like your article says,."I don't think Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden would have gotten the shots in peoples arms nearly as quickly." But you don't know, do you? Nobody has complained about Operation Dork Speed. What I have complained about is Repubs complaining about how the vaccines are ineffective without blaming the guy who was in charge. That's Donnie the Dumbass by the way. After all, creating a vaccine in quantities large enough for distribution is a construction problem. And Donnie the Dumbass is a construction genius according to him. How many commercial construction contracts have been signed in the past 50 years that didn't include a performance bond. None.
"A good part of the reason death rates are higher for the USA is because of the people, not Trump." BS, plain and simple. Many folks in the US (mostly trump supporters) didn't want to wear masks because Donnie the Dumbass didn't wear a mask. Rather than setting an example by saying something like "I hate wearing a mask but it is necessary to help prevent the spread of this disease", he refused to wear a mask and effectively told his idiot supporters not to wear one. Had Donnie the Dumbass done that, I guarantee that virtually every single one of his sheep would have done so. The same goes for every other decision and statement about COVID that Donnie the Dumbass made. He, and you, forget the power of words and actions. Especially his words and the actions of his sheep. That's the real problem here. Donnie the Dumbass was so wrong about COVID and what to do about it that it colored the actions of virtually every one of his supporters.
"Once we knew we had a pandemic on our hands, we should have spent crazy money on quality masks and tests in my opinion." Just exactly where should we have purchased masks and other PPE? Most PPE was made in Asia and China and other countries snapped up PPE. We were paying crazy prices for PPE because it was literally a dog-eat-dog competition. And what tests? Did Donnie the Dumbass tell the CDC to get off their dead asses and use tests approved by the WHO? Nope. Donnie the Dumbass didn't have a clue, other than to state that he was a fucking genius and understood all this virus stuff. So we didn't have an effective test for months. But who told the American public (in mid-March 2020 as I believe) that "1700 Google engineers are working on an application that will tell you where to get a test"? Yep, the same Donnie the Dumbass. Google had to say the next day that Donnie's Rose Garden press conference was t he first that they had heard of such an effort. But did Donnie the Dumbass' cultists believe Google? Nope.
Your entire post could have been restated simply "People are going to do whatever they're going to do so don't blame trump". Horse hockey. Donnie the Dumbass was overmatched by this virus. He didn't understand, and still doesn't understand, that his words and his actions were gospel to his idiot supporters. He told his supporters, by his actions, not to wear masks. He told his supporters, by his actions, not to socially distance. He told his supporters to oppose lockdowns. He told his supporters to shove lightbulbs up their asses. He told his supporters to inject disinfectant. He told his supporters to take unproved drugs (invermectin and hydroxychloroquine) to cure COVID. He did all of those things. Imagine if he'd have told the truth?
How many of his sheep who were indicted for the January 6th insurrection said in effect "I was there because trump told me to be there".
ScatManDoo
09-14-22, 00:15
So typical, the left knows they can't "win" unless they cheat.The Midas Touch t-shirts bear an accurate response:
"It wasn't rigged.
Your just a loser."
Only in your binary version of the world in which you can only see 2 options. I thought only insects and insect-like minds saw things in a binary world. Clearly I was mistaken. Maybe that's why your called Spidery.The world in its essence can be viewed as binary: evil / not evil. "Not evil" is not binary, while evil, like Trump and Putin, definitely is.
ScatManDoo
09-14-22, 00:59
So I was happy that the Supreme Court did what it had to do and took down the Roe v. Wade decision...
To me, what these churches need to do is really apply the lessons of Jesus and tell these women they are loved, that we Christians are on your side, and we will do our best to help you make the best decision you can. There is no one size fits all answer for every woman.Then why deny genuine choice to rape victims?
Am I the only one that can see Biden disaster presidency. Biden and White House celebrating their $500 billion giveaway inflation fighter and inflation soars upward. Even with the Biden policies killing the economy and gas prices down, inflation soars. Stock market crashes. Biden presidency is the worst in 40 plus years and idiots on this forum are still talking about Trump. Biden is driving millions of people into poverty. I along with normal working people care about today and the future. I don't give a crap about Trump or any past presidents good or bad. People are suffering. Biden proving he is the worst president ever and he has no solution or qualified people in the White House to help correct the problem. He has no qualified staff but he does have diversity. 20,000,000 households are delinquent on their power bills. California will solve their rolling blackouts by cutting off households from electricity. Democrats in California are basically stupid. No reality. Buy an expensive electric car but you can't charge it until after midnight. If you work night shift you can't charge your car during the day at home. Stupidity at its finest with democrats and Biden. When are guys here going to get serious about the Biden catastrophe? Bashing Trump isn't going to make retirement or paying your bills any easier. Only an idiot would talk about Trump when the people in USA are going through this crises.
Tooms and PVMonger,
You conveniently omitted this part of my post from the quotes.
"And how much of all this, good and bad, is because of Trump and Biden? Well, they didn't cause COVID, aren't dictators who control the legislative branch, and don't have much to do with the business cycle or Fed policy, let alone what's happening in places like China and the Ukraine. So maybe not a lot. "
I think Trump and Biden suck, and Obama and George W. Bush sucked when they were in office. I've voted for losers in at least the last 7 presidential elections.
I'll try to reply. You've thrown everything at me but the kitchen sink, so it may take a while. I'll start with Trump and COVID.
Fair enough. Trump's China policies sucked. In particular his tariffs on toys, clothes, cheap electronics and the like were stupid. The Chinese cut off imports of soybeans and other products from the USA, and started building factories in places like Vietnam to supply the same items at higher prices. A classic lose-lose deal.
But having those extra people working for the CDC in China probably wouldn't have made one iota of difference. Like your article says..That is some mystical magical business cycle that favors Dem economic legislation and stewardship with every major economic expansion and massive jobs creation and none of the Great Depressions / Great Recessions of the past 100 years while rewarding Repubs' efforts with every Great Depression / Great Recession and massive job losses and none of the major expansions and massive jobs creation. And it turned out that way no matter if the Dems and Repubs get a 4 year, 8 year or 12 year shot at it too. Amazing.
It is so amazing it really defies all probability and I think it is long past time to start considering the distinct possibility if not a certainty that pattern of results is due to each Party's planned mission.
Look at any economic chart for major gains vs losses over time. Hell, look at your own posted link for the Real Household Income chart. Major declines began under Repubs vs the major recoveries and gains beginning under Dems.
Had Trump not been presented the opportunity to crash the USA economy and wipe out millions of jobs by defying all expert warnings not to leave the country bare ass naked to prevent or respond to a novel coronavirus spread and then to compound that disaster by lying the world into the Pandemic it became, he would have found another way to do it before he got canned from the job.
He's a Repub. That is what they do for a living. It is the only thing they do, know how to do and want to do.
Sure, as his re-election bid approached, he was forced to fast-track approval of vaccines he spent almost the entire Trump's Pandemic Production year dismissing as unnecessary for anyone to invent much less take. "It's disappearing! It will go away without a vaccine!
He was still lying about that deep into October 2020, even after drug companies were spending millions to invent vaccines despite Trump insisting they shouldn't bother.
Michigan father who killed wife and shot his daughter went down QAnon rabbit hole, 'snapped,' daughter says:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/michigan-father-who-killed-wife-shot-daughter-went-down-qanon-rabbit-hole-snapped-daughter-says
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11205305/Michigan-man-shot-wife-daughter-family-dog-killed-police-lost-mind-QAnon.html
Lanis told The Daily Beast that her once 'extremely loving' father - who worked as a car designer and had no history of violence - had become heavily influenced by far-right figures like Alex Jones.
Does Alex Jones (right-wing media nut job) see another lawsuit in his future?
Is extreme violence, just a part of the QAnon way of life? Or cult life ala Jim Jones?
LOL they do this with everything.
If they aren't fudging the stats like ET they are lying with omissions.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/dick-morris-donald-trump-book/2022/09/13/id/1087244/
https://ilovetheupperwestside.com/following-controversy-columbia-drops-to-no-18-on-u-s-news-list/
So typical, the left knows they can't "win" unless they cheat.I don't know what's worse. That you post this horse puckey or that you believe what you post.
Don't tell any Mainstream Media pundits about this:
Wholesale prices fell 0.1% in August amid inflation fears
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/14/producer-price-index-august-2022.html?__source=androidappshare
The producer price index, a gauge of prices received at the wholesale level, declined 0.1%, in line with expectations.
On a year-over-year basis, the index, which is a gauge of wholesale prices, increased 8.7%, the lowest increase since August 2021.
Am I the only one that can see Biden disaster presidency. Biden and White House celebrating their $500 billion giveaway inflation fighter and inflation soars upward. Even with the Biden policies killing the economy and gas prices down, inflation soars. Stock market crashes. Biden presidency is the worst in 40 plus years and idiots on this forum are still talking about Trump. Biden is driving millions of people into poverty. I along with normal working people care about today and the future. I don't give a crap about Trump or any past presidents good or bad. People are suffering. Biden proving he is the worst president ever and he has no solution or qualified people in the White House to help correct the problem. He has no qualified staff but he does have diversity. 20,000,000 households are delinquent on their power bills. California will solve their rolling blackouts by cutting off households from electricity. Democrats in California are basically stupid. No reality. Buy an expensive electric car but you can't charge it until after midnight. If you work night shift you can't charge your car during the day at home. Stupidity at its finest with democrats and Biden. When are guys here going to get serious about the Biden catastrophe? Bashing Trump isn't going to make retirement or paying your bills any easier. Only an idiot would talk about Trump when the people in USA are going through this crises.Am I the only one that sees that most of the world is suffering from inflation?
Am I the only one that sees that not giving a crap that Donnie the Dumbass stole Federally classified documents ignores the problem?
Am I the only one that sees that charging people exorbitant amounts for electricity is wrong, especially when they had no control over the situation? Or maybe escaping the problem by going to Mexico was wrong? Or maybe both?
The world in its essence can be viewed as binary: evil / not evil. "Not evil" is not binary, while evil, like Trump and Putin, definitely is.Oh my goodness You don't even know what binary means! : - ** "Not evil" is not binary, while "evil" is ** ... Haha! WTF....
FYI binary means there are only 2 outcomes. Your claiming that that there are no possible outcomes between 'evil' and 'not evil', which is clearly not correct. Even to a Spider.
Then why deny genuine choice to rape victims?I would honestly like to hear why you think the foetus of a rape victim deserve less rights than the foetus of a non-raped female.
Oh my goodness You don't even know what binary means! : - ** "Not evil" is not binary, while "evil" is ** ... Haha! WTF....
FYI binary means there are only 2 outcomes. Your claiming that that there are no possible outcomes between 'evil' and 'not evil', which is clearly not correct. Even to a Spider.Sigh. Now, at least, I see more clearly what we're dealing with. Go in peace.
Am I the only one that can see Biden disaster presidency. Biden and White House celebrating their $500 billion giveaway inflation fighter and inflation soars upward. Even with the Biden policies killing the economy and gas prices down, inflation soars. Stock market crashes. Biden presidency is the worst in 40 plus years and idiots on this forum are still talking about Trump. Biden is driving millions of people into poverty. I along with normal working people care about today and the future. I don't give a crap about Trump or any past presidents good or bad. People are suffering. Biden proving he is the worst president ever and he has no solution or qualified people in the White House to help correct the problem. He has no qualified staff but he does have diversity. 20,000,000 households are delinquent on their power bills. California will solve their rolling blackouts by cutting off households from electricity. Democrats in California are basically stupid. No reality. Buy an expensive electric car but you can't charge it until after midnight. If you work night shift you can't charge your car during the day at home. Stupidity at its finest with democrats and Biden. When are guys here going to get serious about the Biden catastrophe? Bashing Trump isn't going to make retirement or paying your bills any easier. Only an idiot would talk about Trump when the people in USA are going through this crises.No you are not the only one. Any intelligent person will tell you the reason those idiots keep talking about Trump is to try to distract everyone from the reality of the worst president in history. CNN and MSNBC do it all the time. They can't talk about Biden because there is nothing positive about his presidency. Do you really think that Americans care about Trump when they can't afford to eat, pay their bills or fill their tank? They didn't have these issues during Trump presidency. They damn sure aren't blaming Trump or past presidents for Biden inflation.
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One thing the QAnon\Repubs\Bothsidesists do better than C.H.E.A.T.I.N.G. and lying is scaming and grifting.
Former Repub Mississippi Gov. Phil Bryant and former NFL player Brett Favre, team up to scam and steal welfare funds, to for a volleyball complex, they were heavily invested in.
QAnon\Repubs\Bothsidesists reverse "Robin Hood" at it's finest.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/brett-favre-got-help-former-mississippi-gov-get-volleyball-complex-built-using-welfare-funds-report
... I thought only insects and insect-like minds saw things in a binary world. Clearly I was mistaken. Maybe that's why your called Spidery.Typical, yet more again, attacking the messenger instead of the message. Followed up be more "lowbrow" name calling. For someone who's not into labels, you sure do sound like a hypocrite.
Wait let's get this right, shall we. You clearly state, I correctly played you for a fool, as you stated here:.
Its called playing along with your silly games, and inventing a name that fits with YOUR naming style. ...So, how could it be, that you and your ill-conceived bothsidesism mind, could fall for the "silly games" of your made up, so called "insect mind"?
How pathetic of a mind is yours to get played by a so called "insect mind"?
Next you'll revert to more typical name calling like your QAnon / Repub comrade, Elvis. Followed by more attacks on the messenger and not the message.
Typical, yet more again, attacking the messenger instead of the message. Followed up be more "lowbrow" name calling. For someone who's not into labels, you sure do sound like a hypocrite.What are you talking about? Where is the name calling? Saying that you have smthg in common with insects bcos you can only see binary is not name calling. It is not even attacking the messenger. I am attacking your message. Which was to call me a QaNon supporter bcos of your binary (your either with us or against us) view of the world. Sounds like your the one employing QaNon Bush type rhetoric, not me.
That is some mystical magical business cycle that favors Dem economic legislation and stewardship with every major economic expansion and massive jobs creation and none of the Great Depressions / Great Recessions of the past 100 years while rewarding Repubs' efforts with every Great Depression / Great Recession and massive job losses and none of the major expansions and massive jobs creation. And it turned out that way no matter if the Dems and Repubs get a 4 year, 8 year or 12 year shot at it too. Amazing.
It is so amazing it really defies all probability and I think it is long past time to start considering the distinct possibility if not a certainty that pattern of results is due to each Party's planned mission.
Look at any economic chart for major gains vs losses over time. Hell, look at your own posted link for the Real Household Income chart. Major declines began under Repubs vs the major recoveries and gains beginning under Dems.
Had Trump not been presented the opportunity to crash the USA economy and wipe out millions of jobs by defying all expert warnings not to leave the country bare ass naked to prevent or respond to a novel coronavirus spread and then to compound that disaster by lying the world into the Pandemic it became, he would have found another way to do it before he got canned from the job.
He's a Repub. That is what they do for a living. It is the only thing they do, know how to do and want to do.
Sure, as his re-election bid approached, he was forced to fast-track approval of vaccines he spent almost the entire Trump's Pandemic Production year dismissing as unnecessary for anyone to invent much less take. "It's disappearing! It will go away without a vaccine!
He was still lying about that deep into October 2020, even after drug companies were spending millions to invent vaccines despite Trump insisting they shouldn't bother.
Hi Tooms,
Well, if you believe in spurious correlations, you should go all in and put all your savings in USA Stock index futures. Every year in January, if an NFC team wins, go long, and if an AFC team wins, go short.
The primary determinant of whether the economy performs well or poorly over a 4 or 8 year period is whether the USA went through a recession. If you kick out the recessions and the recoveries, I bet you wouldn't see much of a correlation between GDP growth or real household income or whatever and the party of the president. There are exceptions, like Reagan's second term, Clinton's second term, and, for median household income and wages (but not GDP), 2019. Please note that, perhaps coincidentally, no one party controlled government during these periods. The presidency and at least the House were controlled by different parties.
So, when you boil it all down, the question is when were the recessions? You're clearly blaming COVID and the 2020 recession solely on Trump. You appear to be blaming the collapse of the housing market and the consequent 2008/2009 recession solely on George W. Bush. As well as the collapse of the internet boom. George H. W. Bush is responsible for the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and the subsequent increase in oil prices. And then of course there was the most diabolical of Republicans, Ronald Reagan. He too was responsible for high energy prices. And stagflation and the Fed's actions to control it.
It's so simple isn't. It's like you said, they're Republicans, and "that is what they do for a living. It is the only thing they do, know how to do and want to do. " Nuke the economy. Satan has hardened their hearts.
As to economic performance during COVID, when Trump was president, we can look at how other countries did, comparatively. Here's YoY GDP growth at 12/31/2020 for the five largest developed countries in the world:
USA: -2. 3%.
Japan: -4. 68%.
Germany: -3. 70%.
France: -7. 8%.
UK: -9. 28%.
And as to Trump being a liar, yeah, he's a big liar, even by the standards of politicians. We agree on that.
I haven't forgotten your other posts. I'll be back with you on those - it's pretty busy with work.
Am I the only one that sees that most of the world is suffering from inflation?
Am I the only one that sees that not giving a crap that Donnie the Dumbass stole Federally classified documents ignores the problem?
Am I the only one that sees that charging people exorbitant amounts for electricity is wrong, especially when they had no control over the situation? Or maybe escaping the problem by going to Mexico was wrong? Or maybe both?My point is made. Socialist Idiots still talk about Trump when Biden economy and inflation is an issue. Electric prices rising with green energy. Gas prices rising with Biden policies. And idiot socialists talk about Trump. Electric prices in California have gone up with wind and solar. Must be Trumps fault. California democrats shut down nuclear and gas power and have rolling blackouts. Must be Trumps fault. Can you believe how dumb these socialists are?
ScatManDoo
09-15-22, 00:29
I would honestly like to hear why you think the foetus of a rape victim deserve less rights than the foetus of a non-raped female.I believe that every woman have complete ability to choose to have a safe and legal abortion if she so chooses.
A child becomes her burden to bear, so she deserves her choice.
Pro Choice.
No you are not the only one. Any intelligent person will tell you the reason those idiots keep talking about Trump is to try to distract everyone from the reality of the worst president in history. CNN and MSNBC do it all the time. They can't talk about Biden because there is nothing positive about his presidency. Do you really think that Americans care about Trump when they can't afford to eat, pay their bills or fill their tank? They didn't have these issues during Trump presidency. They damn sure aren't blaming Trump or past presidents for Biden inflation.MSNBC and CNN are the worst. They can not report anything positive about the Biden administration, Biden policies or the economy because there isn't anything positive so they have to keep reporting on January 6, abortion and Trump raid. They along with democrats think their audience is stupid and will ignore the Biden failing presidency. And who are these networks audience? Yes democrats and the networks consider them stupid. Biden presidency was a disaster in 2021 and worst in 2022. Good news is that it is lower than every other president in history so it can't get much worse next year. America is suffering by Biden incompetence. And yes some idiot will reply to this post and blame Trump for Biden incompetence.
"I don't think Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden would have gotten the shots in peoples arms nearly as quickly." But you don't know, do you? Nobody has complained about Operation Dork Speed. What I have complained about is Repubs complaining about how the vaccines are ineffective without blaming the guy who was in charge. That's Donnie the Dumbass by the way. After all, creating a vaccine in quantities large enough for distribution is a construction problem. And Donnie the Dumbass is a construction genius according to him. How many commercial construction contracts have been signed in the past 50 years that didn't include a performance bond. None.
"A good part of the reason death rates are higher for the USA is because of the people, not Trump." BS, plain and simple. Many folks in the US (mostly trump supporters) didn't want to wear masks because Donnie the Dumbass didn't wear a mask. Rather than setting an example by saying something like "I hate wearing a mask but it is necessary to help prevent the spread of this disease", he refused to wear a mask and effectively told his idiot supporters not to wear one. Had Donnie the Dumbass done that, I guarantee that virtually every single one of his sheep would have done so. The same goes for every other decision and statement about COVID that Donnie the Dumbass made. He, and you, forget the power of words and actions. Especially his words and the actions of his sheep. That's the real problem here. Donnie the Dumbass was so wrong about COVID and what to do about it that it colored the actions of virtually every one of his supporters.
"Once we knew we had a pandemic on our hands, we should have spent crazy money on quality masks and tests in my opinion." Just exactly where should we have purchased masks and other PPE? Most PPE was made in Asia and China and other countries snapped up PPE. We were paying crazy prices for PPE because it was literally a dog-eat-dog competition. And what tests? Did Donnie the Dumbass tell the CDC to get off their dead asses and use tests approved by the WHO? Nope. Donnie the Dumbass didn't have a clue, other than to state that he was a fucking genius and understood all this virus stuff. So we didn't have an effective test for months. But who told the American public (in mid-March 2020 as I believe) that "1700 Google engineers are working on an application that will tell you where to get a test"? Yep, the same Donnie the Dumbass. Google had to say the next day that Donnie's Rose Garden press conference was t he first that they had heard of such an effort. But did Donnie the Dumbass' cultists believe Google? Nope.
Your entire post could have been restated simply "People are going to do whatever they're going to do so don't blame trump". Horse hockey. Donnie the Dumbass was overmatched by this virus. He didn't understand, and still doesn't understand, that his words and his actions were gospel to his idiot supporters. He told his supporters, by his actions, not to wear masks. He told his supporters, by his actions, not to socially distance. He told his supporters to oppose lockdowns. He told his supporters to shove lightbulbs up their asses. He told his supporters to inject disinfectant. He told his supporters to take unproved drugs (invermectin and hydroxychloroquine) to cure COVID. He did all of those things. Imagine if he'd have told the truth?
How many of his sheep who were indicted for the January 6th insurrection said in effect "I was there because trump told me to be there".PVMonger,
How could you possibly maintain the shots were ineffective? They were 95% effective at preventing infection before COVID started mutating. And 75% to 85% effective against hospitalization and death since.
I clearly said that Trump didn't set a good example and should have done more to encourage people to wear masks and social distance.
That said, you apparently don't understand the mentality of hard core Trump supporters. I do. I live and work among them. Trump won the county where I live by a 60% margin. The plurality of residents here are Hispanics and the majority people of color, so you can't attribute that to this place being a hotbed of white nationalism.
They are not sheep. Most were not going to base their decisions as to whether to wear a mask on Donald Trump. Trying to get some to wear masks would be akin to trying to take their guns. A lot didn't get vaccinated, even though Trump was encouraging that, the initial shots anyway.
The majority of the Trumpsters don't do what Trump tells them to. Rather, Trump does what they want him to. Trump in his heart is a Democrat. Earlier on, when he was a registered Democrat, he implied he had no problem with partial birth abortion. And he favored a wealth tax, like what Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have proposed. When Republicans were formulating the 2017 TCJA (the tax cut act), Trump wanted to raise taxes on higher earners. He probably figured that would win him votes in 2020, and since he doesn't pay income taxes anyway, it was no sweat off of his back. Gary Cohn, a Democrat and his chief economic advisor, had to talk him out of it. He said something like, "Mr. President, you can't raise taxes. You're a Republican. " Trump just basically says whatever he thinks will help him with Republican voters. If he hadn't changed parties and had run for president as a Democrat, he would have said and done things that were pleasing to Democrats. You might have been one of his supporters, but I doubt it, you seem too smart.
Onto PPE. Yes PPE was in short supply in the months after COVID hit. But by December of 2020, I could buy KN95 masks in large quantities for $0. 27 a piece. (I checked the ads in my email.) And the majority of deaths in the USA occurred after 2020, after Biden came into office. The Biden administration didn't do very much with masks. To much fanfare, it distributed 25 million around February of 2021. Then it waited until the first part of 2022, after Omicron had hit, to make another 400 million available to Americans. Yeah, I agree with you, Biden didn't do a very good job with that. It's refreshing to hear you actually say something negative about the leader of your tribe.
And the tests. Yes, like Tooms and the economy, I guess you can blame the CDC's failure to provide tests early in the epidemic on the Republicans. Well, at least Trump had an excuse. He didn't want a lot of tests out there because he figured that would make the official number of COVID cases higher, and that would reflect badly on his administration. The public health bureaucracy and / or the Biden administration in 2021 and the first part of this year were just incompetent. You couldn't find tests when Omicron hit. And tests are important. You test positive and you staid home. Or if you're at risk of hospitalization from pre-existing conditions, you got monoclonal antibody treatment, or now Paxlovid. But tests were nowhere to be found.
As to detergent, HCQ, etc. , I agree. That was pretty stupid. I don't recall Ivermectin being discussed during Trump's time in office. I don't doubt that they're saying that on MSNBC though, as it fits into the theory that all Trumpsters are sheep.
Apologies, I'll get around to your other replies when I get some time.
Am I the only one that can see Biden disaster presidency. Biden and White House celebrating their $500 billion giveaway inflation fighter and inflation soars upward. Hilarious isn't it. The "Inflation Reduction Act. " It has nothing to do with inflation and everything to do with pork. Green pork.
Don't tell any Mainstream Media pundits about this:
Wholesale prices fell 0.1% in August amid inflation fears
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/14/producer-price-index-august-2022.html?__source=androidappshareFrom your link:
"On a year-over-year basis, headline PPI increased 8. 7%, a substantial pullback from the 9. 8% rise in July and the lowest annual gain since August 2021. ". So I guess you could have just as well said, "Wholesale prices rose 8.7% in August amid inflation fears."
Yes, gasoline prices are down from their peak. Grocery prices are up 13.5% YoY though. Scott Brave, lead consumer-spending analyst at market research company Morning Consult says, "We have yet to see a peak in food inflation. And the longer that goes on, the higher it gets, the more difficult it becomes for lower-income individuals in particular to afford those price increases. ". The workingman's being left behind.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/we-have-yet-to-see-a-peak-in-food-inflation-food-prices-see-highest-increase-since-1979-with-one-item-up-nearly-40-on-last-year-11663097731
To be fair, I'm busting your balls. The CPI on a MoM basis in August was only up 0.1%, and was flat in July from the previous month. Previously, since 10/31/2020, it had been running in the 0.6% to 1.3% range except for April. So maybe inflation is about to moderate. The market didn't like what it saw yesterday though, with the Dow down about 1200 points. I suspect that's because most of the decline in CPI was from gasoline prices, and other items kept rising. I'm not sure whether those numbers are seasonally adjusted.
Am I the only one that sees that charging people exorbitant amounts for electricity is wrong, especially when they had no control over the situation? So what do you propose? Put price controls on the utilities and watch them all go bankrupt?
MSNBC and CNN are the worst. They can not report anything positive about the Biden administration, Biden policies or the economy because there isn't anything positive so they have to keep reporting on January 6, abortion and Trump raid. They along with democrats think their audience is stupid and will ignore the Biden failing presidency. And who are these networks audience? Yes democrats and the networks consider them stupid. Biden presidency was a disaster in 2021 and worst in 2022. Good news is that it is lower than every other president in history so it can't get much worse next year. America is suffering by Biden incompetence. And yes some idiot will reply to this post and blame Trump for Biden incompetence.Au contraire. They're in business to make money, and they do that by appealing to left-of-center voters, who watch their commercials. So why would they slam the Biden administration?
Besides, Trump is so much more entertaining. I find myself watching a lot more MSNBC and CNN these days than Fox, for that reason, their coverage of Trump.
I believe that every woman have complete ability to choose to have a safe and legal abortion if she so chooses.
Yes, I know. But you didn't answer my Q.
For the first time since last year the FUX News Poll shows Dems have surged ahead of Repubs on the Generic Congressional Ballot question, 44% to 41%, a huge swing in their favor since April, June and July:
https://www.pollingreport.com/2022.htm
And, yes, the Dem advantage momentum continues in the Poll of Polls version of that question on the RealClearPolitics and FiveThirtyEight sites.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2022-generic-congressional-vote-7361.html
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/generic-ballot/
Now, it should be pointed out that kind of momentum only mattered in the past before the Repub Party decided their one and only current and future potential winning election "platform" and campaign strategy is to pack state and local ballot collecting and vote counting entities with Big Liars, Election Denying Repub QAnon loons proud and loud about their intentions to announce Repubs as the "winners" of every election going forward no matter what the actual votes were.
So that's a problem.
ScatManDoo
09-15-22, 05:15
Yes, I know. But you didn't answer my Q.From my point of view.
Your question was irrelevant.
Hi Tooms,
Well, if you believe in spurious correlations, you should go all in and put all your savings in USA Stock index futures. Every year in January, if an NFC team wins, go long, and if an AFC team wins, go short.
The primary determinant of whether the economy performs well or poorly over a 4 or 8 year period is whether the USA went through a recession. If you kick out the recessions and the recoveries, I bet you wouldn't see much of a correlation between GDP growth or real household income or whatever and the party of the president. There are exceptions, like Reagan's second term, Clinton's second term, and, for median household income and wages (but not GDP), 2019. Please note that, perhaps coincidentally, no one party controlled government during these periods. The presidency and at least the House were controlled by different parties.
So, when you boil it all down, the question is when were the recessions? You're clearly blaming COVID and the 2020 recession solely on Trump. You appear to be blaming the collapse of the housing market and the consequent 2008/2009 recession solely on George W. Bush. As well as the collapse of the internet boom. George H. W. Bush is responsible for the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and the subsequent increase in oil prices. And then of course there was the most diabolical of Republicans, Ronald Reagan. He too was responsible for high energy prices. And stagflation and the Fed's actions to control it.
It's so simple isn't. It's like you said, they're Republicans, and "that is what they do for a living. It is the only thing they do, know how to do and want to do. " Nuke the economy. Satan has hardened their hearts.There is nothing "spurious" about the correlation between the POTUS and economic results.
The POTUS runs for election on a set of largely economic propositions. In addition to Executive Orders, they then present that agenda to Congress, often outlining specific details to be included in a budget and tax policy. They can and often do lobby individual members of Congress to move legislation negotiations in the direction they want. When placed on their desk they can and often do request a revision to legislation before signing or exercise their veto powers.
Add the incomparable Presidential Bully Pulpit and Fed Chair appointments and a POTUS can easily be more responsible for the economic direction and results than any other federal entity.
The most common denominator in the major economic downturns and job losses of at least the past 100 years is the Party that was in the White House when it started. It was the Repub Party. Every time.
The most common denominator in starting the major economic expansions and jobs creation during that same timeframe has also been the Party in the White House. It was the Dem Party. Every time.
You think that is a spurious correlation?
I used to think the same thing. Pre Reagan. I was an ignorant, ill-informed Bothsider back then. I even stupidly voted for Reagan in 1980. Yes, I was that ignorant and ill-informed.
In my defense, we did not have nearly the consistent pattern to review and consider in 1980. Sure, we had Hoover's Great Repub Depression, Eisenhower's triple Recessions and one of the worst jobs creation records ever. Not really enough data to come to an inevitable and unavoidable conclusion.
However, by the middle of Reagan's first term and noting every Repub vs Dem results before and since over the past century, whooboy, it is now impossible to ignore; Economic disaster, huge balooning deficits accomplishing nothing and skyrocketing unemployment and / or massive job destruction is the Repub Party / s agenda and goal. It must be. No other way to explain the pattern. They can't all be that blundering and incompetent, can they?
You know, it turns out not every player at a crap table has their chips placed on the Pass Line or the Come Bar banking on the shooter to make his point rather than not making it and crapping out. So too it turns out one of the major Parties does not see economic success for the country as its ticket to election victory, power and personal wealth. If they did, they would all be Dems and govern that way.
Besides, wiping out millions of jobs and flushing billions and trillions down the shitter with nothing to show for it is so much easier than creating millions of jobs and improving people's lives for the money. The latter is hard work and you really need to know what you're doing. With little glory and reward for it. It requires a rare dedication to Public Service. So that's why lazy, increasingly addle-brained former Dems like Reagan and Trump switched to the Repub Party when they pursued a career in politics.
...Saying that you have smthg in common with insects bcos you can only see binary is not name calling. I am attacking your message. Which was to call me a QaNon supporter bcos of your binary (your either with us or against us) view of the world. ...
Dude, I wouldn't loose any slept over it.
However, it obvious to many of us here, as to why your "bothsidesism" politics is seen as QAnon/Repubs dogma. Your posts are self-evident, no explanation need, for those who see clearly past any Repub rhetoric/dogma dressed up as "bothsidesism".
Let me put it like this. Wrongly or rightly, perhaps it's simply a case of, "He that lies with the dogs, riseth with fleas".
And BTW, me saying you have something in common with dogs and fleas, by no means, I'm I trying to insult you or call you names.
... Clearly I was mistaken. Maybe that's why your called Spidery.
Or for that matter, your political "dogma that lies with men with pointy hats and tiki-torches", is maybe why you're called JustTKKK.
The Inflation Reduction Act is not a legislative plan to tackle and tame the economic reality of "inflation. " That is what the Fed is currently trying to do to tackle Trump's Pandemic Supply Chain Destruction Inflation during Biden's historic economic recovery from it by raising interest rates and artificially inducing a mild recession, at most, in order to cool down Biden's roaring economy that is producing more higher paying jobs than there are current applicants to take them.
After all, nobody should want to reduce all forms of inflation. Some inflation in the economy is normal and healthy. I mean, how flat and dreary of an economy would we have had to endure for the past 172 years if houses were still selling for $50 or whatever they were in 1850?
No, a portion of that terrific legislation is designed to surgically target certain critical areas of necessity for most or all of us eventually whose prices have skyrocketed out of all affordability and beyond the ordinary rate of inflation. For example, for the first time Medicare can negotiate for lower drug prices, price caps on certain widely required drugs and so on.
It will no doubt accomplish its stated goals much better than Trump and the Repubs' godawful $2. 5+ Trillion waste of money December 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. LOL. Talk about a joke name. That one wound up producing a million fewer jobs in the three years with it than in the three previous years without it. And the vast majority of tax cuts for people who might have benefited from them evaporated over the next 2-3 years just as Trump was producing his Pandemic to wipe out millions of jobs anyway.
Of course, one of the most accurate predictors of that legislation producing highly effective results is that not one Repub voted for it. I was worried when 1-2 Repubs hinted they might vote Yes on it. Then they didn't, which was a great relief.
Some of the best and most effective legislation of all time passed with either very few or zero Repub votes. And, of course, some of the worst passed with few or zero Dem votes.
So what do you propose? Put price controls on the utilities and watch them all go bankrupt?Evidently you don't remember the fiasco in Texas a couple of winters ago (when Buttface Cruz slunk off to Mexico) where people were getting surprise electric bills of $10,000+ because the Texas grid was as badly mismanaged as Texas politics.
PVMonger,
How could you possibly maintain the shots were ineffective? They were 95% effective at preventing infection before COVID started mutating. And 75% to 85% effective against hospitalization and death since.
I clearly said that Trump didn't set a good example and should have done more to encourage people to wear masks and social distance.
That said, you apparently don't understand the mentality of hard core Trump supporters. I do. I live and work among them. Trump won the county where I live by a 60% margin. The plurality of residents here are Hispanics and the majority people of color, so you can't attribute that to this place being a hotbed of white nationalism.
They are not sheep. Most were not going to base their decisions as to whether to wear a mask on Donald Trump. Trying to get some to wear masks would be akin to trying to take their guns. A lot didn't get vaccinated, even though Trump was encouraging that, the initial shots anyway..Here are a few articles about COVID tests. The upshot is that contrary to your opinion that President Biden is to blame, there are many factors in play, not the least of which is the fact that manufacturers decided on their own to scale back production because of lack of demand. https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/95272 and https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/05/drugstores-struggle-to-keep-covid-at-home-tests-in-stock-as-omicron-rages-across-us.html and, finally, https://www.statnews.com/2022/02/07/supreme-court-partly-to-blame-covid-19-test-kit-shortage/#text=The%20 Supreme%20 Court%20 is%20 partly, Covid%2 D19%20 test%20 kit%20 shortage&text=Many%20 pharmacies%20 across%20 the, virus%20 that%20 causes%20 Covid%2 D19.
Remember the uproar over ventilators? Tests would have elicited the same response had production skyrocketed and demand plummeted resulting in millions of test kits having to be destroyed.
From my point of view. Your question was irrelevant.Irrelevant to what?
I asked you a question. You can refuse to answer it if you like, but this is sposed to be an opinion board. You shared your opinion, and I asked you a question on it. Why share your opinion if you are not going to support it?
You say you would give 'genuine choice to rape victims'. You singling out rape victims prompted me to question why the rights of a foetus would be different if it were created from a rape or not.
Or for that matter, your political "dogma that lies with men with pointy hats and tiki-torches",Ok, name one. If its true, I will take it. If not, then your clearly just name calling.
Name calling is the last resort for those that are unable to make their point. I am not surprised when you sit in the neo-lib corner bcos it must be very confusing to be there with all that cognitive dissonance.
Stumped for a single positive accomplishment to campaign on, many Repubs have decided the Trumpian tactic of simply claiming something that ain't true is all they've got:
Biden calls out Republicans who took credit for infrastructure legislation they opposed
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/09/politics/biden-republicans-infrastructure-law/index.html
President Joe Biden on Thursday criticized Republican lawmakers who voted against the bipartisan infrastructure bill last year but have taken credit for projects made possible by the $1.2 trillion law.
"We got a little help from Republicans -- but not a lot -- but enough to get it passed. But the truth is, there are a lot more Republicans taking credit for that bill than who actually voted for it,"
....
Biden did not name any Republican lawmakers in his speech, but a recent review by CNN's "The Lead with Jake Tapper" found at least 14 congressional Republicans who voted against the bill have tried to take credit for projects made possible by it.
My god. What was the former guy doing around this time in his so-called presidency? Oh, that's right. He was busy taking weekly excursions to his failing golf resorts to the tune of millions of dollars at tax payers' expense, defunding the CDC and pulling all the critical Pandemic Prevention and Response teams out of those labs in China, contrary to all expert dire warnings not to do something so dangerous and stupid.
Now he's the most iconic and beloved Repub Party leader ever, the most sought-after endorsement by Repubs in the midterms and far and away the front-runner for the Repub Party nomination for potus in 2024. Sad.
Biden Signs Chips Bill, Unleashing Funding for US Production.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-09/biden-set-to-sign-chips-bill-as-us-makers-unveil-new-investments
Legislation is one in a series of wins for Biden, Democrats.
Companies to face restrictions on expanding in China.Congress Passes Investments in Domestic Semiconductor Manufacturing, Research & Design
https://www.semiconductors.org/chips/
In July 2022, Congress passed the CHIPS Act of 2022 to strengthen domestic semiconductor manufacturing, design and research, fortify the economy and national security, and reinforce Americas chip supply chains.
The share of modern semiconductor manufacturing capacity located in the U.S. has eroded from 37% in 1990 to 12% today, mostly because other countries governments have invested ambitiously in chip manufacturing incentives and the U.S. government has not. Meanwhile, federal investments in chip research have held flat as a share of GDP, while other countries have significantly ramped up research investments.
To address these challenges, Congress passed the CHIPS Act of 2022, which includes semiconductor manufacturing grants, research investments, and an investment tax credit for chip manufacturing. SIA also supports enactment of an investment tax credit for semiconductor design.
By passing the CHIPS Act, Congress has risen to a defining challenge of our time, seized an historic opportunity to fortify American semiconductor manufacturing, design, and research, and delivered a big win for our country.
...Saying that you have smthg in common with insects bcos you can only see binary is not name calling...To use your own words, how is that name calling, if I say your so called "bothsidersism" and QAnon/Repub dogma, has something in common with what "lies with dog and fleas" of the political variety?
BTW, I made my point, but it's perfectly okay, if you or anyone else don't agree with it. Like I said, don't loose any sleep over it.
A Gentle Reminder. The Inflation Reduction Act is not a legislative plan to tackle and tame the economic reality of "inflation. " That is what the Fed is currently trying to do to tackle Trump's Pandemic Supply Chain Destruction Inflation during Biden's historic economic recovery from it by raising interest rates and artificially inducing a mild recession, at most, in order to cool down Biden's roaring economy that is producing more higher paying jobs than there are current applicants to take them. ...
Some of the best and most effective legislation of all time passed with either very few or zero Repub votes. And, of course, some of the worst passed with few or zero Dem votes.Very thoughtfully presented and well said.
Bravo!
BTW, I made my point, but it's perfectly okay, if you or anyone else don't agree with it. Like I said, don't loose any sleep over it.You haven't made any points. Therefore your just name calling. Go back to your neo-lib corner and thinki it over.
The Inflation Reduction Act is not a legislative plan to tackle and tame the economic reality of "inflation. " That is what the Fed is currently trying to do to tackle Trump's Pandemic Supply Chain Destruction Inflation during Biden's historic economic recovery from it by raising interest rates and artificially inducing a mild recession, at most, in order to cool down Biden's roaring economy that is producing more higher paying jobs than there are current applicants to take them.
After all, nobody should want to reduce all forms of inflation. Some inflation in the economy is normal and healthy. I mean, how flat and dreary of an economy would we have had to endure for the past 172 years if houses were still selling for $50 or whatever they were in 1850?
No, a portion of that terrific legislation is designed to surgically target certain critical areas of necessity for most or all of us eventually whose prices have skyrocketed out of all affordability and beyond the ordinary rate of inflation. For example, for the first time Medicare can negotiate for lower drug prices, price caps on certain widely required drugs and so on.
You really are lost, trapped, in the propaganda circles that you feed off. Your a broken record, never stop repeating the same chorus line. But at least now you added a new verse. This one is a ridiculous claim that some inflation is healthy bcos. What. Bcos static prices would be boring? Haha.
You dismay at the Republican voters and no doubt despair at their lack of ratioonale. Yet you are equally as lost. It truly is disturbing to see what propganda can do with the cicitzens of a such a powerful nation.
Evidently you don't remember the fiasco in Texas a couple of winters ago (when Buttface Cruz slunk off to Mexico) where people were getting surprise electric bills of $10,000+ because the Texas grid was as badly mismanaged as Texas politics.I remember and I hope you remember that the solar and windmills were a major factor in the fiasco. It never happened before when everything was gas or coal fired because gas and coal don't freeze up.
Au contraire. They're in business to make money, and they do that by appealing to left-of-center voters, who watch their commercials. So why would they slam the Biden administration?
Besides, Trump is so much more entertaining. I find myself watching a lot more MSNBC and CNN these days than Fox, for that reason, their coverage of Trump.They definitely need more viewers as Fox News has more than them combined. Their ratings are in the toilet but CNN make actually improve as they say they are changing from wacko far left socialists to bipartisan.
Irrelevant to what?
I asked you a question. You can refuse to answer it if you like, but this is sposed to be an opinion board. You shared your opinion, and I asked you a question on it. Why share your opinion if you are not going to support it?
You say you would give 'genuine choice to rape victims'. You singling out rape victims prompted me to question why the rights of a foetus would be different if it were created from a rape or not.According to virtually all Repubs, a foetus has rights but a mother doesn't. A woman carrying a foetus from a rape does not, according to many of the laws created in red stated, have the option of aborting that foetus. If she can't afford to feed it after it is born, or provide it with proper medical care, or provide it with safe housing, that's her problem. The "pro-life" crowd is pro-life from the moment of conception until the moment of birth. They don't give a shit what happens after that.
In fact, most of these id10 ts believe that conception starts during the romantic dinner the night before.
From my point of view. Your question was irrelevant.
Irrelevant to what? Asked and answered: I believe he said, "from his point of view" your question was irrelevant to him.
From my point of view. Your question was irrelevant.
... I asked you a question. You can refuse to answer it if you like, but this is sposed to be an opinion board ... Again, asked and answered: he didn't answer your initial question, because it was irrelevant to him. You asked him why and he answered.
No need to badger anybody here, when our questions go unanswered, or when we don't get the answers we want to hear.
We all know it's an opinion board and not everyone's questions are answered, when we ask them. God knows, tons of my questions go unanswered, deflected or 'straw-manned'.
Perhaps instead, you could "do the work" and provide proof/support as to why your question isn't irrelevant. It's pretty easy to poke fun and ask questions all day.
P.S.: ScatManDoo, I am speaking for myself, my apologies if I've overstepped.
You haven't made any points. Therefore your just name calling. Go back to your neo-lib corner and thinki it over.Because you're blind to with my POVs or don't agree with them, isn't really my problem. Most times I welcome the debate, but most definitely not the name calling.
I will always do my best to provide counterpoints and stand up for things I believe in, as opposed to someone that "stands for nothing and falls for everything".
Mask your naming calling, just like your "bothsidesism", all you want. I see it for what it is.
Evidently you don't remember the fiasco in Texas a couple of winters ago (when Buttface Cruz slunk off to Mexico) where people were getting surprise electric bills of $10,000+ because the Texas grid was as badly mismanaged as Texas politics.Fair enough. You had both people and utilities with bills they couldn't pay, for electricity and natural gas respectively. In situations like that, I don't know what the solution is. It's above my paygrade.
I do know what caused the problem though. This is something I posted on another hooker board contemporaneously. It was later backed up by reporting in the Wall Street Journal. You can blame the situation on the bureaucrats and directors at ERCOT, which is like the air traffic control system for the electric grid in Texas. During the early stages of the freeze, they gave priority to residences and the like over oil and gas wells and gas plants. And that was a very bad decision:
This is from a buddy in Houston who's high up with a gas pipeline company. Oncor (power company) and ERCOT (outfit that controls the electric grid in Texas) in their infinite wisdom decided that compressors on gas pipelines and compressors at the inlets to gas plants were not essential, so blacked them out. They also shut off electricity to wells in the Permian Basin. The effect of all this was to shut off production wells and salt water disposal wells.
So basically a lot of the gas production infrastructure went off line. And it's not so easy to get things going again as when the wells and the compressors and the gas plants stop operating, things freeze up.
So anyway as a result the gas fired power plants were deprived of fuel, so they had to shut down. And just like the gas plants and the compressors and the wells, getting them going again in freezing conditions can be problematic.
In summary, according to my friend, shutting off the power to the oilfield and gas plants generated a chain reaction that resulted in the gas fired power plants going down. He said he and colleagues begged Oncor and ERCOT not to shut off the electricity, because they knew what was going to happen. Undoubtedly people working for other midstream companies were doing the same.
These people just had no common sense. Yes, we need to maintain power to hospitals, etc. But when they cut off the fuel source for the power plants, they put us in a position where that may happen anyway.
The Inflation Reduction Act is not a legislative plan to tackle and tame the economic reality of "inflation. " That is what the Fed is currently trying to do to tackle Trump's Pandemic Supply Chain Destruction Inflation during Biden's historic economic recovery from it by raising interest rates and artificially inducing a mild recession, at most, in order to cool down Biden's roaring economy that is producing more higher paying jobs than there are current applicants to take them.
After all, nobody should want to reduce all forms of inflation. Some inflation in the economy is normal and healthy. I mean, how flat and dreary of an economy would we have had to endure for the past 172 years if houses were still selling for $50 or whatever they were in 1850?
No, a portion of that terrific legislation is designed to surgically target certain critical areas of necessity for most or all of us eventually whose prices have skyrocketed out of all affordability and beyond the ordinary rate of inflation. For example, for the first time Medicare can negotiate for lower drug prices, price caps on certain widely required drugs and so on.
It will no doubt accomplish its stated goals much better than Trump and the Repubs' godawful $2. 5+ Trillion waste of money December 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. LOL. Talk about a joke name. That one wound up producing a million fewer jobs in the three years with it than in the three previous years without it. And the vast majority of tax cuts for people who might have benefited from them evaporated over the next 2-3 years just as Trump was producing his Pandemic to wipe out millions of jobs anyway.
Of course, one of the most accurate predictors of that legislation producing highly effective results is that not one Repub voted for it. I was worried when 1-2 Repubs hinted they might vote Yes on it. Then they didn't, which was a great relief.
Some of the best and most effective legislation of all time passed with either very few or zero Repub votes. And, of course, some of the worst passed with few or zero Dem votes.When legislation passes and only members of one party vote for it, it usually sucks.
As to the tax cuts resulting from the TCJA, I don't know where you're getting 2. 5 million. The JCT and CBO estimated that the federal government would receive about $1. 5 trillion less in revenues over 2018 to 2027 as result of the TCJA. It would have been less if Democrats had terminated the cuts last year, which was in their power to do. The corporate tax cuts were long overdue. At 35% pre-TCJA, when added to state income taxes, we were levying a much higher rate on our corporations than than other nations were on theirs. The TCJA also eliminated corporate loopholes. The GILTI (global intangible low taxed income) tax for the first time imposed tax on USA Companies unrepatriated foreign earnings. This solved two problems. First, it ameliorated the problem with USA Corporations recognizing outsized earnings in foreign subsidiaries in low tax countries, where patents and intellectual property and the like were parked. And it encouraged USA Companies to bring money parked in foreign accounts overseas back to the USA, to be used here. The actual revenue from corporate taxes is now turning out to be higher than the CBO estimated. In fact, for the 2022 budget year, the CBO's current projection is that the USA will realize $395 billion from the corporate tax. And that's even though we went through a small recession. Their original estimate for corporate income tax revenues was $353 million with the TCJA and $389 million without the TCJA.
At the individual level, the TCJA tax cuts made our tax system more progressive, and most people ended up paying less. The one thing I disagreed with was the lower tax rate on pass through businesses with lots of employees. And with lots of depreciable property relative to income, like LLC's that own rental real estate. The later was very beneficial to the Trump organization, because of its rental properties, but it was playing games with the tax system to benefit special interests.
Yes, the Republicans should have cut spending along with taxes so as to not increase deficits. But that's what happens when one party controls the presidency, the House and the Senate. It goes on a spending binge. The same thing happened during the first two years of the Biden, Obama, Bush Jr. And Clinton administrations.
I agree with you 100% on Medicare and drug prices. That's something that should have happened a long time ago.
It's other parts of the Inflation Reduction Act that I believe suck. There's lots and lots of green pork. The bill favors special interests which contribute to the Democratic Party. And citizens who tend to vote for the Democratic Party (upper middle class greenies who want to think they're doing something good for the environment by buying EV's.) A reasonable carbon tax, levied on the end user of electricity and fuels, would be the best way to reduce carbon emissions, if that's your goal. And the Inflation Reduction Act isn't going to do jack to reduce global warming. The spending provisions are largely a waste of money.
As to "Trump's inflation" and "Biden's historic recovery," I've given up on making critical comments about peoples' religious beliefs. I will say that I hope the Republicans win the House. If they don't, and if Democrats can add a couple of progressives to the Senate, then inflation, which would otherwise be likely to subside, may just rev up again because of increased spending. And deficits will be higher than they would otherwise, as Democrats most likely will pass something like the $3. 5 trillion Build Back Better bill.
Divided government is best. The ba*tards in Washington can't screw us over as much.
It seems like supporters of Donnie the Dumbass are continually blaming President Biden for inflation. It reminds me of a 60-year-old quote from Abraham Maslow "If the only tool you have is a hammer, it is tempting to treat everything as if it were a nail". That's supporters of Donnie the Dumbass all right. Everything is "fake news" unless it comes from some bogus rightwingnut source. Then, of course, it has to be "real". Yep, to them, "the election was stolen", "Chinese thermostats changed votes". Or was it Italian satellites? They probably even believe that Jewish Space Lasers cause forest fires. Sheesh.
What these folks forget is virtually every country in the world is suffering from inflation. Gasoline prices are up worldwide. Food prices are up worldwide. Commodities are up. Manufactured goods are up. Now, even the dumbest person in the world ought to be able to see that something else is at work here. "All these countries have one thing in common: they're all struggling to recover from a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic that continues to disrupt the supply side of the economy, hampering the ability of businesses, workers, and the global supply chain to operate at full capacity and satisfy boomeranging consumer demand. Rather than putting a Biden "I did that" sticker on products with skyrocketing prices, it's probably more accurate to say "COVID did that. " https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2022/01/18/1073053108/the-movement-to-stick-inflation-blame-on-biden.
But the one thing that no self-respecting supporter of the one-term, twice-impeached, commander-in-chief of the Mar-a-Lago Putt-Putt and McDonalds Emporium would ever do is admit that COVID is probably the main driver of inflation. Because to do so would mean that they would have to acknowledge that we'd have inflation even if Donnie the Dumbass was president*.
After all, even if Donnie the Dumbass was president*, we'd still have surging consumer demand because of the lifting of many of the COVID restrictions. We'd still have labor shortages as US workers say "Screw it, I'm not going to work for some moron who pays peanuts any more". We'd still have global supply chain problems. None of these things would have gone away if Donnie the Dumbass were president*. Unless, of course, "If the only tool you have is a hammer, it is tempting to treat everything as if it were a nail".
So, sorry folks, but Donnie the Dumbass couldn't have fixed this problem either. Just like he made COVID worse by lying to the American public, he'd have done the same thing here. He'd have simply declared the pandemic over and opened up everything. He'd have killed millions more with this strategy plus kickstarted inflation even higher. https://businessinsider.mx/causes-of-inflation/?r=US&IR=T.
Fair enough. You had both people and utilities with bills they couldn't pay, for electricity and natural gas respectively. In situations like that, I don't know what the solution is. It's above my paygrade.
I do know what caused the problem though. This is something I posted on another hooker board contemporaneously. It was later backed up by reporting in the Wall Street Journal. You can blame the situation on the bureaucrats and directors at ERCOT, which is like the air traffic control system for the electric grid in Texas. During the early stages of the freeze, they gave priority to residences and the like over oil and gas wells and gas plants. And that was a very bad decision:That's why? So Texas' "screw you" separation from the Eastern and Western Interconnections had nothing to do with it?
It is an easily observable reality that border states benefit economically disproportionately due to their immediate proximity to foreign countries with which we have ongoing trade deals.
Shipping logistics, terminals, warehousing, commercial traffic in and out, it goes on and on. Imagine the greater wasteland Texas border towns (if there would be any at all) and districts would be if that power grid-challenged state was located in the middle of the country far, far away from the border of Mexico.
Therefore, in exchange for that benefit, it is only fair that border states disproportionately pay for and deal with the relatively minor downsides to being right on the border as well.
LOL. Crybaby, deadbeat Red state governors are always looking for a free lunch.
Oh, and a gentle reminder on a different issue; the USA government concept of "Divided Government" has nothing whatsoever to do with political party majorities in the House vs the party in the White House vs the majority in the Senate, etc.
Just sayin'.
Bonus info:
CBO Estimates TCJA Extensions Could Cost Up to $2.7 Trillion.
JUN 28, 2022 TAXES
https://www.crfb.org/blogs/cbo-estimates-tcja-extensions-could-cost-27-trillion
According to virtually all Repubs, a foetus has rights but a mother doesn't. Thanks for standing in for Scat Man, but you didn't answer my Q either. I am not asking about what the law is, nor the difference in red or blue states. I am asking Mr Scat his opinion on the moral rissue egarding foetuses created during rape. Why does he think their rights should be different to the right of foetuses not created under rape.
I remember and I hope you remember that the solar and windmills were a major factor in the fiasco. It never happened before when everything was gas or coal fired because gas and coal don't freeze up.That's what FUX Snooze and all of the rightwingnut media said, but nothing could have been further from the truth. If you stopped believing all of the BS from those sites, you might learn something.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/02/15/texas-power-grid-winter-storm-2021/
https://cz.boell.org/en/2021/03/19/texas-power-grid-failure-causes-lessons-learned-and-implications-eu-energy-market
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-texas-wind-turbines-explain-idUSKBN2AJ2EI
But sure, keep on living in fantasy world aka Donnie the Dumbass' Mar-a-Lago Putt-Putt and McDonalds Emporium.
It seems like supporters of Donnie the Dumbass are continually blaming President Biden for inflation. It reminds me of a 60-year-old quote from Abraham Maslow "If the only tool you have is a hammer, it is tempting to treat everything as if it were a nail". That's supporters of Donnie the Dumbass all right. Everything is "fake news" unless it comes from some bogus rightwingnut source. Then, of course, it has to be "real". Yep, to them, "the election was stolen", "Chinese thermostats changed votes". Or was it Italian satellites? They probably even believe that Jewish Space Lasers cause forest fires. Sheesh.
What these folks forget is virtually every country in the world is suffering from inflation. Gasoline prices are up worldwide. Food prices are up worldwide. Commodities are up. Manufactured goods are up. Now, even the dumbest person in the world ought to be able to see that something else is at work here. "All these countries have one thing in common: they're all struggling to recover from a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic that continues to disrupt the supply side of the economy, hampering the ability of businesses, workers, and the global supply chain to operate at full capacity and satisfy boomeranging consumer demand. Rather than putting a Biden "I did that" sticker on products with skyrocketing prices, it's probably more accurate to say "COVID did that. " https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2022/01/18/1073053108/the-movement-to-stick-inflation-blame-on-biden.
But the one thing that no self-respecting supporter of the one-term, twice-impeached, commander-in-chief of the Mar-a-Lago Putt-Putt and McDonalds Emporium would ever do is admit that COVID is probably the main driver of inflation. Because to do so would mean that they would have to acknowledge that we'd have inflation even if Donnie the Dumbass was president*.
After all, even if Donnie the Dumbass was president*, we'd still have surging consumer demand because of the lifting of many of the COVID restrictions. We'd still have labor shortages as US workers say "Screw it, I'm not going to work for some moron who pays peanuts any more". We'd still have global supply chain problems. None of these things would have gone away if Donnie the Dumbass were president*. Unless, of course, "If the only tool you have is a hammer, it is tempting to treat everything as if it were a nail".
So, sorry folks, but Donnie the Dumbass couldn't have fixed this problem either. Just like he made COVID worse by lying to the American public, he'd have done the same thing here. He'd have simply declared the pandemic over and opened up everything. He'd have killed millions more with this strategy plus kickstarted inflation even higher. https://businessinsider.mx/causes-of-inflation/?r=US&IR=T.It is almost all of Americans that blame Biden for inflation because he is the person that caused it. Yes even democrats blame Biden. Is is just the far left socialist idiots who blame Trump for inflation. There was no inflation during Trump presidency just prosperity. Yes idiots will continue to blame Trump for everything Biden does badly. They blame Trump for everything the incompetent Biden does. Biden has no clue on what to do. He thinks installing thousands of EV chargers across USA will get rid of inflation. The people that Biden has driven into poverty are not going to be able to afford a EV. They can't pay their power bills or put food on the table. We are almost 2 years in a failed presidency and dumb ass leftists are still blaming Trump. Can anyone name one thing that Biden has done that improves the economy or Americans lives? Giving away billions for green energy and billions to democrat states that are failing does not help the average American. How dumb does a person have to be to not blame Biden for inflation?
... I am attacking your message. Which was to call me a QaNon supporter bcos of your binary (your either with us or against us) view of the world ...Binary thinking? Don't be absurd! No, absolutely not!
Here let me give you an example:
I think the disillusioned Repubs voters the "status quo new order QAnon/Repubs/bothsideists", should be ecstatic after reading your "bothsidesism", and positive views on the Green party/Independent.
So now I am thinking, the disillusioned Repub voters have 3 choices. Same-ole-same-ole status quo, don't vote or the new option with Green Party/Independent. Not binary all!
There are those rare moments, when I do genuinely wish the best for Repubs, thanks to your "bothsidesism".
Here let me give you an example:
I think the disillusioned Repubs voters the "status quo new order QAnon/Repubs/bothsideists", should be ecstatic after reading your "bothsidesism", and positive views on the Green party/independentWell its great that you should finally attempt to defend your position. But I have 2 issues ATM:
1. What does this have to do w your claim that I share same policy views as reps / qanon?
2. I have no idea what you mean above. Please can you try again?
It is an easily observable reality that border states benefit economically disproportionately due to their immediate proximity to foreign countries with which we have ongoing trade deals.
Shipping logistics, terminals, warehousing, commercial traffic in and out, it goes on and on. Imagine the greater wasteland Texas border towns (if there would be any at all) and districts would be if that power grid-challenged state was located in the middle of the country far, far away from the border of Mexico.
Therefore, in exchange for that benefit, it is only fair that border states disproportionately pay for and deal with the relatively minor downsides to being right on the border as well.
LOL. Crybaby, deadbeat Red state governors are always looking for a free lunch.
Oh, and a gentle reminder on a different issue; the USA government concept of "Divided Government" has nothing whatsoever to do with political party majorities in the House vs the party in the White House vs the majority in the Senate, etc.
Just sayin'.
Bonus info:
CBO Estimates TCJA Extensions Could Cost Up to $2.7 Trillion.
JUN 28, 2022 TAXES
https://www.crfb.org/blogs/cbo-estimates-tcja-extensions-could-cost-27-trillionYes imagine a Martha's Vineyard on the Mexico border. They are complaining about 50 illegals dropped off there and it is an emergency. Can you imagine Obama and Hillary allowing millions of illegals into Martha's Vineyard if it was on Mexico border. Biden would have had the military in war against Mexico.
Thanks for standing in for Scat Man, but you didn't answer my Q either.
...I asked you a question. You can refuse to answer it if you like, .......You shared your opinion, and I asked you a question on it.....
Yes, I know. But you didn't answer my Q.
......I am still here waiting for you to address the subject I raised,......You have this fantasy that you are entitled to answers sounds like a line from Tom Cruise in "A Few Good Men". You're not a US citizen. You have never voted in our elections. You neither understand or appreciate how the US political system works (or doesn't work). You come from some other part of the world. You don't know the history of the last 120 years. The US has been the major force for decency in the world and you want to rewrite the histories of the 2 great world wars. You can't even begin to understand how many countries the US has helped during the last century.
Why should anyone bother answering any of your questions? This is an American Politics Forum not a "I hate the US forum".
That's why? So Texas' "screw you" separation from the Eastern and Western Interconnections had nothing to do with it?Texas dwarfs other states in terms of hydrocarbon and wind resources, so that's probably a good part of the reason why it has continued to go it alone. Yes, it would have been advantageous to have been a part of an interstate grid in February, 2021.
But I don't think this is going to happen again. ERCOT would have to have some real dumb asses to make the same mistake twice. I say that with a bit of trepidation though, as something similar happened in 2011, only not nearly as severe as 2021. Anyway I don't think Texas will have ongoing problems like California.
I remember and I hope you remember that the solar and windmills were a major factor in the fiasco. It never happened before when everything was gas or coal fired because gas and coal don't freeze up.I attended a presentation by an ERCOT engineer some years ago. It was fascinating. ERCOT acts like an air traffic control system for the electricity grid in Texas. Electric rates are set by supply and demand, and variations in price can be extreme. There are old, inefficient gas fired plants that stay idling all the time. But they only go into power production mode when the electricity price shoots sky high. They can make enough money in a matter of weeks to pay for all that idling the rest of the year. Unfortunately, that only works however if the plants have natural gas. And if some dumb ass at ERCOT shuts off electricity to the gas and oil wells and the gas plants, so that gas production goes off stream, then those gas fired plants won't have fuel. Not just the ones that are idling, but those gas fired power plants that operate year round and provide base load electricity too. And that's unfortunately what happened. So I don't think I'd necessarily blame it on solar and windmills. I read an editorial in the Wall Street Journal though that agreed with your view. They pointed out that wind and solar had crowded out nuclear and coal plants, which are more reliable in cold weather than the gas fired plants. Also, I drove from Dallas to Amarillo in the middle of that cold spell, right through one of the densest accumulations of windmills in the state. And the wind wasn't blowing that day.
One other takeaway from the ERCOT presentation, wind power producers on many days would actually pay money to keep operating. When the Texas grid has too much supply, you'd think people would just shut down or throttle back power generation, to avoid operating costs and wear and tear on their equipment. And so the price per kilowatt hour (kwh) would just go down to, say $. 02 or $. 03/ kwh. And that's the way it should work. But the owners of the windmills on some windy days were paying $. 02/ kwh to be allowed to add electricity to the grid! Why? Because the federal government was giving them a subsidy of $. 04/ kwh. So they were coming out ahead! Crazy! Another example of how our federal tax dollars are flushed down the toilet.
MarquisdeSade1
09-17-22, 04:32
It is an easily observable reality that border states benefit economically disproportionately due to their immediate proximity to foreign countries with which we have ongoing trade deals.
Shipping logistics, terminals, warehousing, commercial traffic in and out, it goes on and on. Imagine the greater wasteland Texas border towns (if there would be any at all) and districts would be if that power grid-challenged state was located in the middle of the country far, far away from the border of Mexico.
Therefore, in exchange for that benefit, it is only fair that border states disproportionately pay for and deal with the relatively minor downsides to being right on the border as well.
LOL. Crybaby, deadbeat Red state governors are always looking for a free lunch.
Oh, and a gentle reminder on a different issue; the USA government concept of "Divided Government" has nothing whatsoever to do with political party majorities in the House vs the party in the White House vs the majority in the Senate, etc.
Just sayin'.
Bonus info:
CBO Estimates TCJA Extensions Could Cost Up to $2.7 Trillion.
JUN 28, 2022 TAXES
https://www.crfb.org/blogs/cbo-estimates-tcja-extensions-could-cost-27-trillionThey don't even want them back, they call deportees yesterdays trash.
https://www.surfrider.org/coastal-blog/entry/tijuana-river-the-largest-sewage-spill-weve-ever-seen
What would America do all that Fentanyl they bring in via CCPland?
https://www.surfrider.org/coastal-blog/entry/tijuana-river-the-largest-sewage-spill-weve-ever-seen
Biden Signs Chips Bill, Unleashing Funding for US Production.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-09/biden-set-to-sign-chips-bill-as-us-makers-unveil-new-investments
Congress Passes Investments in Domestic Semiconductor Manufacturing, Research & Design
https://www.semiconductors.org/chips/Part of the problem was the 35% federal corporate tax rate, the highest in the developed world. Compare to some Asian countries. When a company sets up a new manufacturing facility, for chips or whatever, that's going to export, it pays no income tax for some period of time, and then at half the normal rate for some years afterwards. In your country of residence, Thailand, these are called BOI privileges. Before 2017, if an American company were going to start producing chips, it would be better off building a factory in Thailand than building one in the USA.
The 2017 Ryan / McConnell / Trump TCJA (tax cuts act) changed all this. The corporate rate was lowered to 21%. And USA Corporations were made to pay tax on their income from Thailand and other countries, regardless of whether they repatriated the profits to the USA. I greatly prefer these changes in the tax code to the corporate welfare in Biden's chips bill.
CBO Estimates TCJA Extensions Could Cost Up to $2.7 Trillion.
JUN 28, 2022 TAXES
https://www.crfb.org/blogs/cbo-estimates-tcja-extensions-could-cost-27-trillionYeah, but will the provisions be extended? It's very unlikely they all will be unless Republicans control the House, Senate and Presidency. Look at what happened with the Bush tax cuts. They expired. Obama and the Democratic controlled Senate and House could have done away with them in 2009 or 2010, but didn't. I don't think the corporate tax rate will be jacked back up to 35% again though. Both Obama and Biden wanted to bring it down to 28% but never did.
Obama I think was a good bit wiser than Biden. He figured that raising taxes while we were recovering from a recession was a bad idea, so that's why he allowed Bush's tax cuts to expire on their own. Biden on the other hand, through his proposed Build Back Better bill, was looking to raise taxes a lot.
Oil and gas is another example. Obama bragged about how oil and gas production increased during his administration. Biden on the other hand keeps trying to kneecap the USA Oil and gas producers. During the first 19 months of his administration, only about 130,000 acres of federal leases have been issued, compared to 7 million acres during Obama's first 19 months. Furthermore, he's subjecting leases issued in 2018,2019 and 2020 to environmental review by the EPA. One of the criteria the EPA will be looking at is additional carbon emissions from any production discovered on the leases. Biden actually promised during his campaign to stop issuing federal leases and drilling permits on federal lands and the federal offshore. He had to back track because of the courts and because of political expedience, I. E. High gas prices and the upcoming mid terms. But he's apparently looking for a backdoor way to fulfill his promises. Hasn't he learned anything from what's going on in Europe right now? The Europeans may be freezing their asses off this winter, because they're depending on foreign sources of fuel.
I think Biden's just being jerked around by the Progressives. That's not good. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders may be a lot more articulate than Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene, but they're just about as nutty.
It seems like supporters of Donnie the Dumbass are continually blaming President Biden for inflation. It reminds me of a 60-year-old quote from Abraham Maslow "If the only tool you have is a hammer, it is tempting to treat everything as if it were a nail". That's supporters of Donnie the Dumbass all right. Everything is "fake news" unless it comes from some bogus rightwingnut source. Then, of course, it has to be "real". Yep, to them, "the election was stolen", "Chinese thermostats changed votes". Or was it Italian satellites? They probably even believe that Jewish Space Lasers cause forest fires. Sheesh.
What these folks forget is virtually every country in the world is suffering from inflation. Gasoline prices are up worldwide. Food prices are up worldwide. Commodities are up. Manufactured goods are up. Now, even the dumbest person in the world ought to be able to see that something else is at work here. "All these countries have one thing in common: they're all struggling to recover from a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic that continues to disrupt the supply side of the economy, hampering the ability of businesses, workers, and the global supply chain to operate at full capacity and satisfy boomeranging consumer demand. Rather than putting a Biden "I did that" sticker on products with skyrocketing prices, it's probably more accurate to say "COVID did that. " https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2022/01/18/1073053108/the-movement-to-stick-inflation-blame-on-biden.
But the one thing that no self-respecting supporter of the one-term, twice-impeached, commander-in-chief of the Mar-a-Lago Putt-Putt and McDonalds Emporium would ever do is admit that COVID is probably the main driver of inflation. Because to do so would mean that they would have to acknowledge that we'd have inflation even if Donnie the Dumbass was president*.
After all, even if Donnie the Dumbass was president*, we'd still have surging consumer demand because of the lifting of many of the COVID restrictions. We'd still have labor shortages as US workers say "Screw it, I'm not going to work for some moron who pays peanuts any more". We'd still have global supply chain problems. None of these things would have gone away if Donnie the Dumbass were president*. Unless, of course, "If the only tool you have is a hammer, it is tempting to treat everything as if it were a nail".
So, sorry folks, but Donnie the Dumbass couldn't have fixed this problem either. Just like he made COVID worse by lying to the American public, he'd have done the same thing here. He'd have simply declared the pandemic over and opened up everything. He'd have killed millions more with this strategy plus kickstarted inflation even higher. https://businessinsider.mx/causes-of-inflation/?r=US&IR=T.Nobody sane is arguing that supply chain problems and higher worldwide commodity prices didn't have an unfavorable effect on inflation. But the American Rescue Plan did too. Larry Summers, the most influential Democratic Party economist of the last 30 years, did his damnedest to keep the bill from being passed, but Biden, Pelosi, Schumer et al wouldn't listen. This article is from February 5, 2021, over a month before the bill was passed:
"Larry Summers, the top economic adviser to former President Obama, warned in an op-ed on Friday that President Biden's proposed COVID-19 relief package is too big and could overheat the economy.
Summers, the Treasury secretary under former President Clinton, wrote in The Washington Post that the proposed $1. 9 trillion stimulus could ignite inflationary pressures "of a kind we have not seen in a generation. ".
He said the risk of inflation could have "consequences for the dollar and financial stability. ".
"Stimulus measures of the magnitude contemplated are steps into the unknown," Summers wrote. ".
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/537521-key-ex-obama-adviser-says-biden-stimulus-is-too-big/
Here's CPI inflation before and after the American Rescue Plan (ARP) was passed:
2/2021:1.7% (month before ARP was passed).
3/2021:2.6% (Bill was passed on March 11, and checks were being direct deposited to some Americans' accounts within 24 hours).
4/2021:4.2% (Disbursement of funds from ARP continued).
1/2022:7.5% (This was a month before the Russian invasion of Ukraine).
As to your belief that every other country experienced the same kind of inflation, here's YoY CPI inflation for various countries on 4/2021, after the ARP checks had hit. Australia is 3/2021, because it reports quarterly.
USA 4.2%.
Australia 1.1%.
Japan -1.1%.
Switzerland 0.3%.
Singapore 2.1%.
Hong Kong 0.8%.
UK 0.7%.
EU 1.6%.
I put Switzerland, Hong Kong and Singapore in there because, like the USA, they have smaller government spending as a % of GDP than other developed countries. I have no idea what kind of money they spent on COVID stimulus but figure it was probably less than, say, the EU and UK.
Migrants Decline Newsom's Offer Of Asylum In CA Since They Just Came From A Collapsing Communist Hellhole With Sporadic Electricity.
MARTHA'S VINEYARD, MA — This week, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis flew 50 migrants to an affluent island in Massachusetts to highlight the struggles of border states whose resources are buckling amid soaring numbers of undocumented immigrants. Progressives have labeled the action as "cruel" and "heartless," but when California governor Gavin Newsom volunteered asylum for the migrants in his own state, they declined the offer since they had only recently escaped a collapsing communist state without electricity.
"I don't like bullies, and Florida governor Ron DeSantis is bullying these migrants by not welcoming them! We in California believe a nation of immigrants draws its strength from more immigrants – come to the sunshine state and we will house you, clothe you, and feed you. " Newsom spoke out in a video message from his home after the events of the week, pledging that there was "no limit" to how high he would tax other people to pay for the migrants' livelihoods but also clarifying that he would not be able to help personally.
While the migrants have heard the message, they have already voiced their intent to avoid California to reporters, speaking out about the harrowing circumstances they had escaped: skyrocketing inflation, a demolished economy, and obvious corruption at the highest levels of government. The migrants say that California's trash-littered sidewalks, water shortages, and electrical outages bear too much resemblance to the Venezuela they left behind for it to be a desirable destination.
One of Governor Newsom's PACs, Robbing California Citizens To Fund Our Voter Base, has posted a press release condemning the migrants for the comparison. "To compare California to Venezuela is disingenuous, and these narrow-minded migrants should be ashamed. They come from a nation where business is stifled by overregulation and state interference, a one-party system has ruled for decades with a compliant state media to tout its success while cities burn, and citizens struggling to pay for gas, food, and other necessities – this is nothing like California. For this disrespect, we call for their immediate deportation to the 'greener pastures' of Florida that they seek so much, with plans for them to be re-imported for votes during election seasons. ".
At publishing time, Newsom had reiterated his offer in a video at his $5 million home, gesturing to the plentiful electricity around him, but migrants have said that this reminds them too much of the opulent lifestyle enjoyed by top politicians Chavez and then Maduro while they wreaked havoc on the nation. . .
ScatManDoo
09-17-22, 06:32
Hillary Clinton: "Trump Should Be Held Accountable For Mishandling Classified Material, DOJ Should Pursue This".
Yeah, but will the provisions be extended? It's very unlikely they all will be unless Republicans control the House, Senate and Presidency. Look at what happened with the Bush tax cuts. They expired. Obama and the Democratic controlled Senate and House could have done away with them in 2009 or 2010, but didn't. I don't think the corporate tax rate will be jacked back up to 35% again though. Both Obama and Biden wanted to bring it down to 28% but never did.
Obama I think was a good bit wiser than Biden. He figured that raising taxes while we were recovering from a recession was a bad idea, so that's why he allowed Bush's tax cuts to expire on their own. Biden on the other hand, through his proposed Build Back Better bill, was looking to raise taxes a lot.
Oil and gas is another example. Obama bragged about how oil and gas production increased during his administration. Biden on the other hand keeps trying to kneecap the USA Oil and gas producers. During the first 19 months of his administration, only about 130,000 acres of federal leases have been issued, compared to 7 million acres during Obama's first 19 months. Furthermore, he's subjecting leases issued in 2018,2019 and 2020 to environmental review by the EPA. One of the criteria the EPA will be looking at is additional carbon emissions from any production discovered on the leases. Biden actually promised during his campaign to stop issuing federal leases and drilling permits on federal lands and the federal offshore. He had to back track because of the courts and because of political expedience, I. E. High gas prices and the upcoming mid terms. But he's apparently looking for a backdoor way to fulfill his promises. Hasn't he learned anything from what's going on in Europe right now? The Europeans may be freezing their asses off this winter, because they're depending on foreign sources of fuel.
I think Biden's just being jerked around by the Progressives. That's not good. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders may be a lot more articulate than Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene, but they're just about as nutty.I realize you came to these discussions late. But those Repub oil lease arguments were destroyed here a dozen times over already.
Also, Clinton and his Dem-controlled Congress raised the tax rate on the top margin right on the heels of Bush1's Repub Recession in the 1993 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act, one of the great economic legislations passed without a single Repub vote. Of course, what followed was one of the greatest economic expansions, jobs creation and deficit / debt reduction runs in history.
Yeah, one of the excuses the Repubs claimed was their reason for not voting for it was they said Clinton and the Dems would destroy the economy and wipe out millions of jobs if they raised taxes during the recovery from one of their patented Recessions. LOL.
Nobody sane is arguing that supply chain problems and higher worldwide commodity prices didn't have an unfavorable effect on inflation. But the American Rescue Plan did too. Larry Summers, the most influential Democratic Party economist of the last 30 years, did his damnedest to keep the bill from being passed, but Biden, Pelosi, Schumer et al wouldn't listen. This article is from February 5, 2021, over a month before the bill was passed:
"Larry Summers, the top economic adviser to former President Obama, warned in an op-ed on Friday that President Biden's proposed COVID-19 relief package is too big and could overheat the economy.
Summers, the Treasury secretary under former President Clinton, wrote in The Washington Post that the proposed $1. 9 trillion stimulus could ignite inflationary pressures "of a kind we have not seen in a generation. ".
He said the risk of inflation could have "consequences for the dollar and financial stability. ".
"Stimulus measures of the magnitude contemplated are steps into the unknown," Summers wrote. ".
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/537521-key-ex-obama-adviser-says-biden-stimulus-is-too-big/
Here's CPI inflation before and after the American Rescue Plan (ARP) was passed:
2/2021:1.7% (month before ARP was passed).
3/2021:2.6% (Bill was passed on March 11, and checks were being direct deposited to some Americans' accounts within 24 hours).
4/2021:4.2% (Disbursement of funds from ARP continued).
1/2022:7.5% (This was a month before the Russian invasion of Ukraine).
As to your belief that every other country experienced the same kind of inflation, here's YoY CPI inflation for various countries on 4/2021, after the ARP checks had hit. Australia is 3/2021, because it reports quarterly.
USA 4.2%.
Australia 1.1%.
Japan -1.1%.
Switzerland 0.3%.
Singapore 2.1%.
Hong Kong 0.8%.
UK 0.7%.
EU 1.6%.
I put Switzerland, Hong Kong and Singapore in there because, like the USA, they have smaller government spending as a % of GDP than other developed countries. I have no idea what kind of money they spent on COVID stimulus but figure it was probably less than, say, the EU and UK.Inflation before the American Rescue Plan was passed? We were staying indoors, not going anywhere, not doing anything waiting for Trump's Pandemic virus to "go away without a vaccine", millions of jobs had been wiped out, thousands of businesses were closed forever. Is that the inflation control method we should return to?
I wonder. Did Larry Summers explain why countries that didn't pass the American Rescue Plan in the wake of the massive economic destruction wrought by Trump's Pandemic had and still have much higher rates of inflation and much weaker jobs creation than in America?
MarquisdeSade1
09-17-22, 16:22
Inflation before the American Rescue Plan was passed? We were staying indoors, not going anywhere, not doing anything waiting for Trump's Pandemic virus to "go away without a vaccine", millions of jobs had been wiped out, thousands of businesses were closed forever. Is that the inflation control method we should return to?
I wonder. Did Larry Summers explain why countries that didn't pass the American Rescue Plan in the wake of the massive economic destruction wrought by Trump's Pandemic had and still have much higher rates of inflation and much weaker jobs creation than in America?https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2022/08/01/globalist-magazine-immigration-is-untouchable-third-rail-issue/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ1Wq7gHSyI
Migrants Decline Newsom's Offer Of Asylum In CA Since They Just Came From A Collapsing Communist Hellhole With Sporadic Electricity.
MARTHA'S VINEYARD, MA This week, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis flew 50 migrants to an affluent island in Massachusetts to highlight the struggles of border states whose resources are buckling amid soaring numbers of undocumented immigrants. Progressives have labeled the action as "cruel" and "heartless," but when California governor Gavin Newsom volunteered asylum for the migrants in his own state, they declined the offer since they had only recently escaped a collapsing communist state without electricity.
"I don't like bullies, and Florida governor Ron DeSantis is bullying these migrants by not welcoming them! We in California believe a nation of immigrants draws its strength from more immigrants come to the sunshine state and we will house you, clothe you, and feed you. " Newsom spoke out in a video message from his home after the events of the week, pledging that there was "no limit" to how high he would tax other people to pay for the migrants' livelihoods but also clarifying that he would not be able to help personally.Gee, another Repub who copies-and-pastes without a citation.
Here's the sources: https://babylonbee.com/news/migrants-decline-newsoms-offer-of-asylum-in-ca-since-they-just-came-from-a-collapsing-communist-hellhole-with-no-electricity/.
Yes imagine a Martha's Vineyard on the Mexico border. They are complaining about 50 illegals dropped off there and it is an emergency. Can you imagine Obama and Hillary allowing millions of illegals into Martha's Vineyard if it was on Mexico border. Biden would have had the military in war against Mexico.You have no idea if the persons who were rounded up and sent to Martha's Vineyard had applied for asylum or not.
You seem to think that being lied to (they were told they were going to Boston where they'd have a job and housing) is perfectly OK.
You seem to think that spending taxpayer money on this BS is perfectly OK.
You see to think that flying them there without notifying Martha's Vineyard is perfectly OK.
I wonder what you'd think if 50 of the morons who took part in the January 6th insurrection were treated like the 50 were. Well, I know what you'd think.
You have this fantasy that you are entitled to answers sounds like a line from Tom Cruise in "A Few Good Men" ...
Why should anyone bother answering any of your questions? This is an American Politics Forum not a "I hate the US forum".Well Said!
The dude, does seem to have "an axe to grind".
Or as a foodie, would put it, "more beef than bun".
Or as a foodie "bothsidesist", would put it, "...where's the beef"? (....kkkk!)
MarquisdeSade1
09-17-22, 17:26
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/09/16/maher-plenty-of-liberals-want-to-abuse-history-to-control-the-present/
Well its great that you should finally attempt to defend your position. But I have ... Simply provided you an example of my non-binary thinking, since you seem to feel I only think in binary.
That's it, don't over think it!
MarquisdeSade1
09-17-22, 17:37
Migrants Decline Newsom's Offer Of Asylum In CA Since They Just Came From A Collapsing Communist Hellhole With Sporadic Electricity.
MARTHA'S VINEYARD, MA This week, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis flew 50 migrants to an affluent island in Massachusetts to highlight the struggles of border states whose resources are buckling amid soaring numbers of undocumented immigrants. Progressives have labeled the action as "cruel" and "heartless," but when California governor Gavin Newsom volunteered asylum for the migrants in his own state, they declined the offer since they had only recently escaped a collapsing communist state without electricity.
"I don't like bullies, and Florida governor Ron DeSantis is bullying these migrants by not welcoming them! We in California believe a nation of immigrants draws its strength from more immigrants come to the sunshine state and we will house you, clothe you, and feed you. " Newsom spoke out in a video message from his home after the events of the week, pledging that there was "no limit" to how high he would tax other people to pay for the migrants' livelihoods but also clarifying that he would not be able to help personally.
https://www.newsmax.com/reagan/narco-obrador/2022/07/12/id/1078370/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/28/los-angeles-times-sounds-the-alarm-on-mass-immigration-in-mexico-city/
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/09/16/maher-plenty-of-liberals-want-to-abuse-history-to-control-the-present/
Washington DC — The situation of migrants being transported throughout the United States escalated even further today as Vice President Kamala Harris spoke to the media and officially declared a crisis at the border surrounding her residence in Washington, the. See.
There is now a serious border crisis. Not at our southern border, which is completely secure. I'm referring to the border around my own property, Vice President Harris said in her statement. My home is now under siege, surrounded by foreign nationals attempting to circumvent our laws and invade my estate. This is simply unacceptable and must be addressed.
The Vice President has already ensured the high-security fence around her home is in good condition and has instructed her Secret Service detail to perform routine, armed patrols of the property's perimeter to maintain strict border security from the busloads of migrants being dropped off outside.
When asked about allegations of hypocrisy regarding declaring a border crisis at her home while saying the nation's southern border is secure, the Vice President had this to say: "We understand that time and space are things that cannot be understood. To move forward, we look to the past and hold onto the hope for tomorrow. We have knowledge that isn't knowable, and we know that. Now get these people away from my house. ".
At publishing time, the Vice President's staff was already working on a plan to have the bused migrants removed from the area surrounding her residence and transported back to small, ill-equipped towns along the southern border. When asked why border towns should be expected to withstand the ongoing onslaught of migrants, Harris simply threw her head back and cackled maniacally before telling the press that addressing the border problems is not the job of the Border Czar. . .
https://babylonbee.com/news/kamala-harris-declares-crisis-at-the-border-around-her-property
https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2022/08/01/globalist-magazine-immigration-is-untouchable-third-rail-issue/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ1Wq7gHSyIBiden's Approval Rating Surges After Hitting Low Mark In July, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Half Of Americans Say Trump Should Be Prosecuted On Criminal Charges Over His Handling Of Classified Documents
https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3854
Biden Approval Rating Gets Big Bounce From Young Americans
https://www.investors.com/politics/biden-approval-rating-gets-big-bounce-from-young-americans/
Dems continue to expand their lead over Repubs in the Generic Ballot Poll of Polls:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/generic-ballot/
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2022-generic-congressional-vote-7361.html
Even Rasmussen can only squeak out a mere 1 percentage point advantage for their beloved Repubs.
https://www.newsmax.com/reagan/narco-obrador/2022/07/12/id/1078370/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/28/los-angeles-times-sounds-the-alarm-on-mass-immigration-in-mexico-city/
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/09/16/maher-plenty-of-liberals-want-to-abuse-history-to-control-the-present/Another member of the Moron Brigade who believes (thinking isn't a strong point with that bunch) that the post he commented was the truth and not satire. Roflmfao.
Nobody sane is arguing that supply chain problems and higher worldwide commodity prices didn't have an unfavorable effect on inflation. But the American Rescue Plan did too. Larry Summers, the most influential Democratic Party economist of the last 30 years, did his damnedest to keep the bill from being passed, but Biden, Pelosi, Schumer et al wouldn't listen. This article is from February 5, 2021, over a month before the bill was passed:
"Larry Summers, the top economic adviser to former President Obama, warned in an op-ed on Friday that President Biden's proposed COVID-19 relief package is too big and could overheat the economy.
Summers, the Treasury secretary under former President Clinton, wrote in The Washington Post that the proposed $1. 9 trillion stimulus could ignite inflationary pressures "of a kind we have not seen in a generation. ".
He said the risk of inflation could have "consequences for the dollar and financial stability. ".
"Stimulus measures of the magnitude contemplated are steps into the unknown," Summers wrote. ".
https://thehill.com/policy/finance/537521-key-ex-obama-adviser-says-biden-stimulus-is-too-big/
Here's CPI inflation before and after the American Rescue Plan (ARP) was passed:
2/2021:1.7% (month before ARP was passed).
3/2021:2.6% (Bill was passed on March 11, and checks were being direct deposited to some Americans' accounts within 24 hours).
4/2021:4.2% (Disbursement of funds from ARP continued).
1/2022:7.5% (This was a month before the Russian invasion of Ukraine).
As to your belief that every other country experienced the same kind of inflation, here's YoY CPI inflation for various countries on 4/2021, after the ARP checks had hit. Australia is 3/2021, because it reports quarterly.
USA 4.2%.
Australia 1.1%.
Japan -1.1%.
Switzerland 0.3%.
Singapore 2.1%.
Hong Kong 0.8%.
UK 0.7%.
EU 1.6%.
I put Switzerland, Hong Kong and Singapore in there because, like the USA, they have smaller government spending as a % of GDP than other developed countries. I have no idea what kind of money they spent on COVID stimulus but figure it was probably less than, say, the EU and UK.You forgot to mention that President Biden said "$2000 for every American" and got pilloried, absolutely pilloried by MAGAts when it turned out to be $1400 plus the $600 that Donnie the Dumbass already sent. They, of course, said that Biden lied blah, blah, blah.
But who originally proposed the $2000 figure? Yep. Donnie the Dumbass did. https://www.vox.com/2020/12/23/22197037/trump-2000-stimulus-checks.
Simply provided you an example of my non-binary thinking.
Right. No wonder you got confused. Must have been difficult for you.
You have no idea if the persons who were rounded up and sent to Martha's Vineyard had applied for asylum or not.
You seem to think that being lied to (they were told they were going to Boston where they'd have a job and housing) is perfectly OK.
You seem to think that spending taxpayer money on this BS is perfectly OK.
You see to think that flying them there without notifying Martha's Vineyard is perfectly OK.
I wonder what you'd think if 50 of the morons who took part in the January 6th insurrection were treated like the 50 were. Well, I know what you'd think.All illegals are applying for asylum. They are illegal and looking for a better life. Why not send them to Martha's Vineyard where it is a wealthy prosperous area. Do you think they should just put them in the desert or a hell hole city like San Fran or in a poverty area? They should be happy being in an area with billionaires. Why are you being racist with denying them prosperity?
All illegals are applying for asylum. They are illegal and looking for a better life. Why not send them to Martha's Vineyard where it is a wealthy prosperous area. Do you think they should just put them in the desert or a hell hole city like San Fran or in a poverty area? They should be happy being in an area with billionaires. Why are you being racist with denying them prosperity?Do you have any clue whatsoever of the requirements of applying for asylum? No, you don't.
Otherwise, you would realize that asylum seekers must enter the US at a normal POE and once they have applied for asylum, they are automatically given protected status. That something that FUX Snooze and rightwingnut media never mention and Repubs never bother to investigate. I would post a link but even though it is a government website, you would just idiotically call it "fake news". But go ahead and do an internet search. You won't, of course, but that's your problem.
Add to the above that virtually all of the families that were transported were lied to and were told that they would have jobs and housing provided. Of course, you believe (I won't use the word think because that'd be an impossible task) that lying is perfectly OK. After all, you believed every single one of Donnie the Dumbass' lies for 6+ years.
Add to the above that many of the folks who were transported had "court dates" as early as Monday and as far away as Texas. So, according to you, it was just fine that 50 folks were shipped to Martha's Vineyard without the funds to get them back to where they needed to be for their court dates.
This was a publicity stunt and anybody with a functional brain should know it. You don't, of course. These folks were set up for failure by two QOP governors who are dumber than the crap my cat just took. The sad thing is that will never see this stunt for what it is.
ScatManDoo
09-18-22, 02:39
Biden's Approval Rating Surges After Hitting Low Mark In July, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Half Of Americans Say Trump Should Be Prosecuted On Criminal Charges Over His Handling Of Classified Documents
https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3854
Biden Approval Rating Gets Big Bounce From Young Americans
https://www.investors.com/politics/biden-approval-rating-gets-big-bounce-from-young-americans/
Dems continue to expand their lead over Repubs in the Generic Ballot Poll of Polls:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/generic-ballot/
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2022-generic-congressional-vote-7361.html
Even Rasmussen can only squeak out a mere 1 percentage point advantage for their beloved Repubs.My PredictIt bets on Democratic candidates and that Party's results from the midterms are looking pretty good.
Even though my bets that TrumpShit would get indicted by September 1st were lost.
You forgot to mention that President Biden said "$2000 for every American" and got pilloried, absolutely pilloried by MAGAts when it turned out to be $1400 plus the $600 that Donnie the Dumbass already sent. They, of course, said that Biden lied blah, blah, blah.
But who originally proposed the $2000 figure? Yep. Donnie the Dumbass did. https://www.vox.com/2020/12/23/22197037/trump-2000-stimulus-checks.Agreed again. Trump and Pelosi were pushing for $2000. Some Senate Republicans, like Democratic economist Larry Summers, saw the writing on the wall. Trump and Pelosi compromised with McConnell at $600. Trump's a populist who's going to do whatever he thinks will get him the most votes. Like I said, in his heart, I think he swings more blue than red. At one time he said he didn't have a problem with partial birth abortion, and proposed a Bernie Sanders / Elizabeth Warren wealth tax.
Inflation before the American Rescue Plan was passed? We were staying indoors, not going anywhere, not doing anything waiting for Trump's Pandemic virus to "go away without a vaccine", millions of jobs had been wiped out, thousands of businesses were closed forever. Is that the inflation control method we should return to?
I wonder. Did Larry Summers explain why countries that didn't pass the American Rescue Plan in the wake of the massive economic destruction wrought by Trump's Pandemic had and still have much higher rates of inflation and much weaker jobs creation than in America?We weren't staying indoors where I live. We hadn't been staying indoors since May of 2020. Please provide evidence of countries with MUCH (emphasis on much) higher rates of inflation than the USA. I'll do it for you. This shows YoY CPI inflation at 6/30/2022, for the same list of countries I used before to show April, 2021 CPI inflation. For completeness sake, note that USA data is available through August, 2022. And USA YoY CPI inflation was 9. 1% in June, 8. 5% in July, and 8. 3% in August respectively. I'm using 6/30/2022 because that's the most recent date for which all the countries have reported numbers.
USA 9. 1%.
Australia 6. 1%.
Japan 2. 4%.
Switzerland 3. 4%.
Singapore 6. 7%.
Hong Kong 1. 8%.
UK 9. 4%.
EU 8. 6%.
As to jobs creation, what I'd like to know is why are 5. 5 million Americans seeking work, while the number of job vacancies is 11.2 million? That's an all time high spread I believe. The labor force participation rate is 62.4%, down from 63.4% pre-COVID, and 67% at its peak. So you can't blame it on "not enough people. ".
I realize you came to these discussions late. But those Repub oil lease arguments were destroyed here a dozen times over already.
Also, Clinton and his Dem-controlled Congress raised the tax rate on the top margin right on the heels of Bush1's Repub Recession in the 1993 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act, one of the great economic legislations passed without a single Repub vote. Of course, what followed was one of the greatest economic expansions, jobs creation and deficit / debt reduction runs in history.
Yeah, one of the excuses the Repubs claimed was their reason for not voting for it was they said Clinton and the Dems would destroy the economy and wipe out millions of jobs if they raised taxes during the recovery from one of their patented Recessions. LOL.My point about the oil leases was that Obama had more common sense than Biden. If some posters here have brought up the millions of acres of undeveloped oil and gas leases and thousands of unused permits, and used that to back up Biden's false claim that the oil and gas refiners and producers were holding back supply and jacking up prices, then they don't understand the industry. And, much as the 2500 people who trespassed on the grounds of the Capitol on January 6, 2021, they're misinformed and gullible.
The 1990/1991 recession was a pip squeak. GDP was down 1. 4% from peak to trough. And Clinton's tax bill wasn't passed until over 2 years after the end of the recession. Aside: Clinton later said he raised taxes too much in 1993, and he and a Republican House cut the capital gains tax in his second term.
The recession caused by COVID (not Trump, you should stop saying that, you're very intelligent and that's out of character), saw a drop in GDP of 19.2%. And Biden was looking to raise taxes a year after it ended.
That said, given the ridiculous amount of stimulus provided by the American Rescue Plan, almost 10% of GDP dumped into the economy, I imagine the Democrats could have raised taxes a good bit. That would have had a favorable effect on inflation. It would still be a suck ass idea, in my opinion. In yours I imagine not. I'm tired of writing so will stop at that.
My point about the oil leases was that Obama had more common sense than Biden. If some posters here have brought up the millions of acres of undeveloped oil and gas leases and thousands of unused permits, and used that to back up Biden's false claim that the oil and gas refiners and producers were holding back supply and jacking up prices, then they don't understand the industry. And, much as the 2500 people who trespassed on the grounds of the Capitol on January 6, 2021, they're misinformed and gullible.
The 1990/1991 recession was a pip squeak. GDP was down 1. 4% from peak to trough. And Clinton's tax bill wasn't passed until over 2 years after the end of the recession. Aside: Clinton later said he raised taxes too much in 1993, and he and a Republican House cut the capital gains tax in his second term.
The recession caused by COVID (not Trump, you should stop saying that, you're very intelligent and that's out of character), saw a drop in GDP of 19.2%. And Biden was looking to raise taxes a year after it ended.
That said, given the ridiculous amount of stimulus provided by the American Rescue Plan, almost 10% of GDP dumped into the economy, I imagine the Democrats could have raised taxes a good bit. That would have had a favorable effect on inflation. It would still be a suck ass idea, in my opinion. In yours I imagine not. I'm tired of writing so will stop at that.Donnie the Dumbass did cause the COVID recession. He did absolutely nothing right except for Operation Dork Speed and any idiot could have done that. Donnie the Dumbass actually made things worse in many respects. The US would have been better off during COVID if he had just stayed at the Mar-a-Lago Putt-Putt and McDonalds Emporium and played golf or buried his head in the sand.
But, yes, it was a COVID recession and every moron who says that Biden caused it is way off base.
My point about the oil leases was that Obama had more common sense than Biden. If some posters here have brought up the millions of acres of undeveloped oil and gas leases and thousands of unused permits, and used that to back up Biden's false claim that the oil and gas refiners and producers were holding back supply and jacking up prices, then they don't understand the industry. And, much as the 2500 people who trespassed on the grounds of the Capitol on January 6, 2021, they're misinformed and gullible.
The 1990/1991 recession was a pip squeak. GDP was down 1. 4% from peak to trough. And Clinton's tax bill wasn't passed until over 2 years after the end of the recession. Aside: Clinton later said he raised taxes too much in 1993, and he and a Republican House cut the capital gains tax in his second term.
The recession caused by COVID (not Trump, you should stop saying that, you're very intelligent and that's out of character), saw a drop in GDP of 19.2%. And Biden was looking to raise taxes a year after it ended.
That said, given the ridiculous amount of stimulus provided by the American Rescue Plan, almost 10% of GDP dumped into the economy, I imagine the Democrats could have raised taxes a good bit. That would have had a favorable effect on inflation. It would still be a suck ass idea, in my opinion. In yours I imagine not. I'm tired of writing so will stop at that.The 1993 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act was effective in August 1993:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-congress/house-bill/2264
When Clinton and the Dems began work on that 1993 legislation the unemployment rate was still above 7%. That was when Repubs were squawking about it being the exact wrong time to raise taxes because, you know, millions of jobs would be wiped out.
Didn't happen. Instead, the exact opposite of what the Repubs were squawking about happened.
When Biden and the Dems began work on their great American Rescue Plan legislation the unemployment rate was still above 6%.
Same squawking from Repubs. Same exact opposite result.
See the BLS Unemployment Rate Table here:
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
We weren't staying indoors where I live. We hadn't been staying indoors since May of 2020. Please provide evidence of countries with MUCH (emphasis on much) higher rates of inflation than the USA. I'll do it for you. This shows YoY CPI inflation at 6/30/2022, for the same list of countries I used before to show April, 2021 CPI inflation. For completeness sake, note that USA data is available through August, 2022. And USA YoY CPI inflation was 9. 1% in June, 8. 5% in July, and 8. 3% in August respectively. I'm using 6/30/2022 because that's the most recent date for which all the countries have reported numbers.
USA 9. 1%.
Australia 6. 1%.
Japan 2. 4%.
Switzerland 3. 4%.
Singapore 6. 7%.
Hong Kong 1. 8%.
UK 9. 4%.
EU 8. 6%.
As to jobs creation, what I'd like to know is why are 5. 5 million Americans seeking work, while the number of job vacancies is 11.2 million? That's an all time high spread I believe. The labor force participation rate is 62.4%, down from 63.4% pre-COVID, and 67% at its peak. So you can't blame it on "not enough people. ".The problem with your "analysis" is that you want to inject "much" into the equation. What I have said, and what others have said, is that inflation is worldwide and was caused in large part by COVID, the "shutdowns" in various countries and then by the pent-up demand for goods coupled with a COVID-bashed supply chain.
There are several sources like those following that explain the situation: https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate and https://www.forbes.com/advisor/personal-finance/inflation-by-country/ and https://www.globaldata.com/media/business-fundamentals/global-inflation-forecast-rise-7-5-end-2022-driven-food-fuel-energy-supply-chain-disruption-observes-globaldata/.
And, to answer your question about countries with MUCH higher inflation rates than the US, how about this.
Venezuela — 1198.0%.
Sudan — 340.0%.
Lebanon — 201.0%.
Syria — 139.0%.
Suriname — 63.3%.
Zimbabwe — 60.7%.
Argentina — 51.2%.
Turkey — 36.1%.
Gee, another Repub who copies-and-pastes without a citation.
Here's the sources: https://babylonbee.com/news/migrants-decline-newsoms-offer-of-asylum-in-ca-since-they-just-came-from-a-collapsing-communist-hellhole-with-no-electricity/.All Travv's (quote / unquote) quotes are from those Onion wannabees, LOL.
All illegals are applying for asylum. They are illegal and looking for a better life. Why not send them to Martha's Vineyard where it is a wealthy prosperous area. Do you think they should just put them in the desert or a hell hole city like San Fran or in a poverty area? They should be happy being in an area with billionaires. Why are you being racist with denying them prosperity?I'd a hell of a lot rather live in Martha's Vineyard than South Texas, where the largest number of Latin American asylum seekers start out. South Texas is perhaps the most impoverished part of the USA. I saw a couple of the immigrants interviewed who were in Martha's Vineyard. They were damn glad to be there. But the locals, who likely are mostly greenies, won't even stand for construction of windmills offshore of Massachusetts. So you know they're going to throw up a stink at this. No windmills or poor Venezuelan asylum seekers in their backyards. Hypocrites.
We weren't staying indoors where I live. We hadn't been staying indoors since May of 2020. Please provide evidence of countries with MUCH (emphasis on much) higher rates of inflation than the USA. I'll do it for you. This shows YoY CPI inflation at 6/30/2022, for the same list of countries I used before to show April, 2021 CPI inflation. For completeness sake, note that USA data is available through August, 2022. And USA YoY CPI inflation was 9. 1% in June, 8. 5% in July, and 8. 3% in August respectively. I'm using 6/30/2022 because that's the most recent date for which all the countries have reported numbers.
USA 9. 1%.
Australia 6. 1%.
Japan 2. 4%.
Switzerland 3. 4%.
Singapore 6. 7%.
Hong Kong 1. 8%.
UK 9. 4%.
EU 8. 6%.
As to jobs creation, what I'd like to know is why are 5. 5 million Americans seeking work, while the number of job vacancies is 11.2 million? That's an all time high spread I believe. The labor force participation rate is 62.4%, down from 63.4% pre-COVID, and 67% at its peak. So you can't blame it on "not enough people. ".Glad to see you're at least citing numbers for countries when they were not still in the depths of Trump's Pandemic downturn vs when Biden's roaring economy was in blessed recovery from it. LOL. Yeah, the United Kingdom's inflation rate was 0. 7%. Sure, bad old Biden's legislation put ours higher that.
But then the United Kingdom's inflation rate climbed above 10%. I posted the report of it here and asked if anyone knew how Biden did that to those poor Brits. Nobody knew.
Now they're celebrating a recent dip to merely.
9. 9%.
UK inflation rate unexpectedly dips to 9.9% as fuel prices decline
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/14/uk-inflation-rate-unexpectedly-dips-to-9point9percent-as-fuel-prices-decline.html
The consumer price index rose 9.9% annually, according to estimates published Wednesday by the Office for National Statistics.
Last week, new British Prime Minister Liz Truss announced an emergency fiscal package capping annual household energy bills at 2,500 ($2,881.90) for the next two years.BTW, do you have a link for any of the figures you cited in your posts about this? You know, something like the reports, charts and data links I usually provide along with the pertinent entry for it.
My point about the oil leases was that Obama had more common sense than Biden. If some posters here have brought up the millions of acres of undeveloped oil and gas leases and thousands of unused permits, and used that to back up Biden's false claim that the oil and gas refiners and producers were holding back supply and jacking up prices, then they don't understand the industry. And, much as the 2500 people who trespassed on the grounds of the Capitol on January 6, 2021, they're misinformed and gullible.
The 1990/1991 recession was a pip squeak. GDP was down 1. 4% from peak to trough. And Clinton's tax bill wasn't passed until over 2 years after the end of the recession. Aside: Clinton later said he raised taxes too much in 1993, and he and a Republican House cut the capital gains tax in his second term.
The recession caused by COVID (not Trump, you should stop saying that, you're very intelligent and that's out of character), saw a drop in GDP of 19.2%. And Biden was looking to raise taxes a year after it ended.
That said, given the ridiculous amount of stimulus provided by the American Rescue Plan, almost 10% of GDP dumped into the economy, I imagine the Democrats could have raised taxes a good bit. That would have had a favorable effect on inflation. It would still be a suck ass idea, in my opinion. In yours I imagine not. I'm tired of writing so will stop at that.Oil, Gas Industry Stockpiled Drilling Leases Before Biden Pause.
January 29, 2021
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/oil-gas-industry-stockpiled-drilling-leases-before-biden-pause
A stockpile of federal oil and gas leases across an Ohio-sized swath of land in the West shows the fossil fuel industry was preparing for a leasing moratorium for years, former Interior Department officials say.
President Joe Biden imposed what he described as a pause on federal oil and gas leasing on Wednesday as part of his climate policywhile allowing millions of acres of existing leases to remain unaffected. Nevertheless, industry representatives and elected officials in the West lambasted the move, saying itll deprive Western states of much-needed income for basic state services.
But the industrys huge inventory of undeveloped existing leases and drilling permits are evidence that the oil and gas industry anticipated a pause in leasing long ago, said John Leshy, a law professor at the University of California, Hastings and former Interior solicitor in the Clinton administration.
That makes the sky is falling rhetoric from the industry and its allies a bit over the top, Leshy said Thursday. Especially since many of the Trump-era lease offerings attracted no bids, or only minimum bids.
Oil and gas production was occurring on less than half of the more than 26 million acres of land already under a federal lease by the end of fiscal 2019, according to the most recent federal Bureau of Land Management data, which doesnt include millions of acres leased in the Trump administrations final year.
Energy companies have the right to drill federal oil and gas leases for 10 years, and many of the leases sold over the last year were auctioned by the land bureau for as little as $2 per acre. The land bureau didnt respond to a request for comment Thursday.
(And more)The lengths some Repubs go to slavishly cater to one of the biggest corporate welfare recipients of all time is pathetic.
MarquisdeSade1
09-18-22, 13:17
Biden's Approval Rating Surges After Hitting Low Mark In July, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Half Of Americans Say Trump Should Be Prosecuted On Criminal Charges Over His Handling Of Classified Documents
https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3854
Biden Approval Rating Gets Big Bounce From Young Americans
https://www.investors.com/politics/biden-approval-rating-gets-big-bounce-from-young-americans/
Dems continue to expand their lead over Repubs in the Generic Ballot Poll of Polls:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/generic-ballot/
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2022-generic-congressional-vote-7361.html
Even Rasmussen can only squeak out a mere 1 percentage point advantage for their beloved Repubs.I'm guessing more fake news to help the DNC I mean Wall St.
Who I am I kidding lets just call it what it is, the Wall Street owned DNC.
I'd a hell of a lot rather live in Martha's Vineyard than South Texas, where the largest number of Latin American asylum seekers start out. South Texas is perhaps the most impoverished part of the USA. I saw a couple of the immigrants interviewed who were in Martha's Vineyard. They were damn glad to be there. But the locals, who likely are mostly greenies, won't even stand for construction of windmills offshore of Massachusetts. So you know they're going to throw up a stink at this. No windmills or poor Venezuelan asylum seekers in their backyards. Hypocrites.See, here's the problem.
One one hand you have the anti-everything Moron Brigade claiming that everything about the relocation was above-board. They hear that, of course, from the two idiot governors (Abbot and his partner Costello aka DeSatan) as well as rightwingnut media. They complain about government spending but are completely OK with DeSatan using taxpayer money to do this. They complain about "government overreach" but are completely OK with the government overreaching in this case. They complain about the government lying but are completely OK with the government lying here (but, to be fair, they were completely OK with Donnie the Dumbass lying his ass off for 6 years) so who knows what they stand for.
On the other hand you have the immigrants themselves who say they were lied to and mislead. There are dozens on first-hand reports about this. Here are some: https://www.npr.org/2022/09/15/1123109768/migrants-sent-to-marthas-vineyard and https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/09/17/desantis-migrants-marthas-vineyard-cape-cod/10410896002/ and https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-governor-florida-flies-migrants-marthas-vineyard-political-stunt-2022-09-15/ and https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/16/migrants-marthas-vineyard-cape-cod-00057247 The Moron Brigade will, predictably, say that this is "fake news" and that the only source of "real news" is Donnie the Dumbass and his merry band of rightwingnut minions.
What I find absolutely comical is that the wingers say that transporting the migrants from MV to Cape Cod means that MV didn't want them when in reality, they were able to get access to more and better services at the AFB in CC. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/09/16/migrants-marthas-vineyard-cape-cod-00057247.
But keep on drinking that KoolAid. What flavor is it? Orange? Red? Or just ignorant?
Donnie the Dumbass did cause the COVID recession. He did absolutely nothing right except for Operation Dork Speed and any idiot could have done that. Donnie the Dumbass actually made things worse in many respects. The US would have been better off during COVID if he had just stayed at the Mar-a-Lago Putt-Putt and McDonalds Emporium and played golf or buried his head in the sand.
But, yes, it was a COVID recession and every moron who says that Biden caused it is way off base.Agreed again. Saying Biden caused the COVID recession is even more bizarre than saying Trump caused it. I also agree that if Trump had just worked on Operation Warp Speed and pushing the vaccines through the FDA, and left the public relations aspects of the pandemic up to people like Fauci and Brix, we would have been better off.
Please explain why USA GDP performance in 2020 was 2.4 to 7 percentage points better than the other top 5 developed countries -- see post #10168.
The 1993 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act was effective in August 1993:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-congress/house-bill/2264
When Clinton and the Dems began work on that 1993 legislation the unemployment rate was still above 7%. That was when Repubs were squawking about it being the exact wrong time to raise taxes because, you know, millions of jobs would be wiped out.
Didn't happen. Instead, the exact opposite of what the Repubs were squawking about happened.
When Biden and the Dems began work on their great American Rescue Plan legislation the unemployment rate was still above 6%.
Same squawking from Repubs. Same exact opposite result.
See the BLS Unemployment Rate Table here:
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000When a country comes out of a recession the unemployment rate decreases. Ascribing all the credit to the political party in power doesn't make sense. And ascribing credit to increasing tax rates really doesn't make sense, based what little I know about macroeconomics.
When a country comes out of a recession the unemployment rate decreases. Ascribing all the credit to the political party in power doesn't make sense. And ascribing credit to increasing tax rates really doesn't make sense, based what little I know about macroeconomics.I agree. Glad I didn't do that. Who did BTW?
Oil, Gas Industry Stockpiled Drilling Leases Before Biden Pause.
January 29, 2021
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/oil-gas-industry-stockpiled-drilling-leases-before-biden-pause
The lengths some Repubs go to slavishly cater to one of the biggest corporate welfare recipients of all time is pathetic.You realize that drilling on private lands, not owned by the federal government, is what has driven US production growth. Federal leases account for about 24% of oil production and 11% of gas production. Also advances in hydraulic fracturing, as well as horizontal drilling, have been an essential part of the production growth since 2011. Hydraulically fracked wells in the unconventional plays that have become the mainstay of US oil and gas production decline quickly. Production for example may start at 1,000 barrels a day in the first month, and decline to 400 BOPD after 12 months. If you ban hydraulic fracturing, total US production will decline rapidly, as maintaining the rate depends on constantly drilling and fracking new wells.
Well, Bernie Sanders, who came within a c**t hair of becoming president of the United States, would have banned hydraulic fracturing through executive orders the minute he was elected. He would have done this on private lands, as well as federal leases. Elizabeth Warren and some other Democratic candidates for president campaigned on similar platforms in 2020. Sanders wanted to eliminate fossil fuels for transportation and electricity generation by 2030. Biden wants to go to "0" net carbon emissions by 2050. Both basically would eliminate the oil and gas refining and production businesses in the USA, except perhaps for exports. The only question is the timing.
So given those types of threats, does it make sense for a company like Shell or Exxon to invest billions developing an offshore oil field in the Gulf of Mexico that won't go on stream for 10 years? Or does it make sense to put a refinery that was mothballed during COVID back into service?
Back to the leases. You need to understand a bit about petroleum geology to understand what's going on. Basically, conventional oil and gas accumulations, and many unconventional accumulations, occur in traps like anticlines. A company may acquire a large lease block, say 50,000 or 100,000 acres, and then acquire seismic data over the block, to try to identify potential traps. Then it drills wells, both to try to prove up traps and provide additional data that will help ongoing exploration. This is a multi year process. And at the end of it, you may be lucky to have identified traps that occupy 1000 acres out of the initial 50,000 or 100,000 acres. Or you may just drill dry holes and not find anything, so the leases expire without production.
As to the drilling permits, Biden campaigned on doing away with new drilling permits on federal leases, not banning drilling. And he did suspend the issuance of new permits, but backed off in part because of court challenges. So yes, oil and gas companies have stockpiled drilling permits, to have an inventory in case no additional permits are issued. They're hoping, if that happens, that sanity will some day return to the executive branch and they'll be allowed to get more permits and drill again.
I'm guessing more fake news to help the DNC I mean Wall St.
Who I am I kidding lets just call it what it is, the Wall Street owned DNC.You and a few others here used to love to post poll numbers just a few months ago. You know, "How low can he go? Jajaja" and all that.
Don't worry. The Repub Party is stationing all the election-denying QAnon loons they can scrape off the underside of rocks wherever necessary at the state and local level to make sure the election-denying Repub candidates on the ballots "win" no matter what the polls show or what the legitimate vote count is. As they wish they had done in 2020.
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