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It isn't bad enough that Mainstream Media help Repubs win elections by spinning attention away from the facts that Repubs have produced all of the major economic downturns of the past 100 years, none of the economic boom times, have likely by now wiped out more American private sector jobs than they created since the Repub Party was invented in 1858, always produce conditions that skyrocket the debt and deficit with virtually nothing of material value to show for it, have not produced one single meaningful and now revered legislation whenever they had total control of the White House and Both Houses of Congress to do so, are so Pro Crime almost all of the highest Crime rate states are Repub Red, now see their primary if not only goal is to overthrow American democracy by any means necessary, might as well defund, attack and kill as many cops as they can along the way and weaken democracies and Western Democratic Alliances around the world.
Now Mainsteam Media are trying to help Repubs win elections by trying to spin that the ultimate Big Government Repub goal of outlawing sex for pleasure and restricting sex for the purpose of procreation only is "mainstream" and what most Americans want:
Right-wing media call Democrats extreme on abortion while mainstream media suggest their positions are out of touch
https://www.mediamatters.org/
Great commentary! Well said! Totally agree!
The Repubs, have long given up on democracy and now it seems they've done the same for the rule-of-law. This was even more evident (and perhaps in many ways boosted such anti-democratic actions/behaviour), when Repubs give the Hungarian fascist dictator, Viktor Orban, a rousing standing ovation at CPAC, when he said:
"Play by you own rules...The only way to win is to refuse to accept the solutions and the path offered by others."
So in other words, f*k democracy, f*k the rule-of-law, f*k the bill-of-rights, f*k the USA constitution and f*k the left.
This is the perilous path Repubs are on...the road to FASCISM! (One might even argue they've been on this road for some time).
Yes, from a political perspective, it was the tax cut that nuked her. But from the perspective of the effect on the markets, the energy subsidies Truss proposed, 100 billion pounds over 2 years, were as important. The combined fiscal stimulus gave markets a scare, as it would have been likely to exacerbate inflation. And UK YoY CPI was already 10.1%. As a result, British interest rates went up and the value of the pound went down. ... I get you et al. may see her tax cuts for the rich/energy subsidies as terrific, but the fact remains the Brits and the markets did not. They weren't buying into more right-wing "trickle-down" economics. The Brit Conservatives, may yet still get their chance, but for now, the Brits, said NO!
Still crowing daily with the same ole false dichotomy from your budget retirement haven (Thailand) I see. The 50's was a golden age for the working man and expansion of middle America, in spite of a few mild recessions, much of which related to the end of the Korean War. It was also an era of very high presidential approval ratings, balanced budgets, and new civil rights legislation. And you've never provided any satisfactory rebuttals to the historical facts and analysis from this historian.
https://millercenter.org/president/eisenhower/domestic-affairsThanks to typically pro Repub MSM, people might "remember" the 1950's as "Happy Days", their first television set, I Love Lucy, images of The Fonz and all that. And certainly a post WWII era is going to be welcomed.
But when it came time to choose, every major Labor Union endorsed Kennedy at the end of that decade (despite Jimmy Hoffa hating the Kennedys for their anti rackateering re labor campaigns in the 50's) and wanted nothing to do with the Triple Recession Eisenhower administration:
POLITICAL NOTES: Who's for Whom, Oct. 3, 1960
Monday, Oct. 03, 1960
https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0, 33009,894933,00. Html.
The 1,250,000-member United Steelworkers of America and the 100,000-member International Chemical Workers Union, at separate conventions in Atlantic City, followed half a dozen other unions and the A.F.L.-C.I.O. general board in endorsing the Kennedy-Johnson ticket.*The above URL is botched and might not take you to that time Report link. If not, just do a search on the title in bold or for "AFL-CIO endorsed Kennedy and not Nixon in 1960."
That was very likely because Eisenhower's jobs creation record was one of the worst of all time, rivalling that of GW Bush and Trump:
Jobs created during U.S. presidential terms
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms
So much for that "golden age for the working man" bit. God only knows how much worse Ike's record would been on that count had he not been convinced by others to trot out FDR's Interstate Highway construction plan that was sidelined to defeat Nazis and the Japanese.
Sorry. Yes, the 1957 Chevy was a hot car. Elvis was cool. And thanks to FDR / Dems' Unemployment Insurance legislation, many workers during the Eisenhower years could keep up with their car payments and buy that Loving You Elvis record.
But facts are facts.
Exhibit #1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group#text=Headquartered%20 in%20 the%20 Baltimore%20 suburb,40%25%20 of%20 American%20 households)%2 see.
Exhibit #2.
Talk Radio Is Turning Millions of Americans Into Conservatives.
The medium is at the heart of Trumpism.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/09/opinion/talk-radio-conservatives-trumpism.html
So -- I don't know -- please?The fact that as many as 2 in 1000 Americans have been bamboozled into the wildly false conclusion that "Republicans are better than Democrats at handling the economy" contrary to all data, current and historical records going back at least 100 years is proof positive somebody, or rather damn near everybody, in the Mainsteam Media is putting in a Herculean effort 24/7/365 to bamboozle the public into falling for such utter nonsense.
MSM need horrifically scary headlines and results to grab their customers' attention. "More jobs were created in the past 21 months than under all three of the previous Republican presidents" and "The deficit was just cut in half, the biggest decline in history" just doesn't do it for MSM nearly as well as, say, "Worst Recession and Job Losses in Decades"!
They can't resist it. They must go serious Bothsider and dismiss and denigrate "Democrats in Disarry"! And their remarkably positive accomplishments while elevating Repub nothingness and disastrous results come election time. Even if it goes against some member's of the media's political preference, as your links show isn't even the case very often.
It's all about the MSM's Bottom Line.
Great commentary! Well said! Totally agree!
The Repubs, have long given up on democracy and now it seems they've done the same for the rule-of-law. This was even more evident (and perhaps in many ways boosted such anti-democratic actions/behaviour), when Repubs give the Hungarian fascist dictator, Viktor Orban, a rousing standing ovation at CPAC, when he said:
"Play by you own rules...The only way to win is to refuse to accept the solutions and the path offered by others."
So in other words, f*k democracy, f*k the rule-of-law, f*k the bill-of-rights, f*k the USA constitution and f*k the left.
This is the perilous path Repubs are on...the road to FASCISM! (One might even argue they've been on this road for some time).That's because they have. Newt Gingrich set the course 30 years ago, and they've never wavered ever since.
I get you et al. may see her tax cuts for the rich/energy subsidies as terrific, but the fact remains the Brits and the markets did not. They weren't buying into more right-wing "trickle-down" economics. The Brit Conservatives, may yet still get their chance, but for now, the Brits, said NO!As I understand it, loss to revenues from cutting the maximum tax rate from 45% to 40% would have been about 2 billion pounds, out of a total 100 billion per year for the total program of tax cuts and energy subsidies. That had nothing to do with the markets' reaction. And the energy subsidies are not Libertarian by any means. They could just as well be straight out of the Progressive's playbook. Your gloating is misplaced.
TBig corporate mainstream and social media have a bias in favor of the Democratic Party. The only notable exceptions are Fox News, the Wall Street Journal, and the New York Post, all controlled by Rupert Murdoch..
What would be the reason and evidence for your above highlighted opinion?
Exhibit #1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group#text=Headquartered%20 in%20 the%20 Baltimore%20 suburb,40%25%20 of%20 American%20 households)%2 see.
Exhibit #2.
Talk Radio Is Turning Millions of Americans Into Conservatives.
The medium is at the heart of Trumpism.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/09/opinion/talk-radio-conservatives-trumpism.html
So -- I don't know -- please?Tooms, Your wish is my command! Here is reason and evidence.
Network News:
ABC News, Lean Left: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/abc-news-media-bias
CBS News, Lean Left: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/cbs-news-media-bias
NBC News, Lean Left: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/nbc-news-media-bias
Cable News with Significant Viewership:
CNN, Left: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/cnn-media-bias
MSNBC, Left: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/msnbc
Fox News, Right: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/fox-news-media-bias
Large Circulation National Newspapers:
New York Times, Lean Left: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/new-york-times
Washington Post, Lean Left: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias
Wall Street Journal, Center: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/wall-street-journal-media-bias
Xpartan's theory that a company owning Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC, MyNetworkTV, and CW outlets is engaged in a conspiracy to sway Americans to vote for evil Republicans:
Sinclair Broadcasting Group, Center: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/sbg
Social Media:
Facebook: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/statement-by-donald-j-trump-45th-president-of-the-united-states-of-america-05.05.21-2
Twitter: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/statement-by-donald-j-trump-45th-president-of-the-united-states-of-america-05.05.21-2
Google: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/statement-by-donald-j-trump-45th-president-of-the-united-states-of-america-05.05.21-2
Xpartan, as to your claims about talk radio, I don't think I buy them. Rush Limbaugh is dead. I've never heard of Michael Savage. The only one I listen to is Thom Hartman, and he's to the left of JustTK.
Still crowing daily with the same ole false dichotomy from your budget retirement haven (Thailand) I see. The 50's was a golden age for the working man and expansion of middle America, in spite of a few mild recessions, much of which related to the end of the Korean War. It was also an era of very high presidential approval ratings, balanced budgets, and new civil rights legislation. And you've never provided any satisfactory rebuttals to the historical facts and analysis from this historian.
https://millercenter.org/president/eisenhower/domestic-affairsDon't be silly Paulie. All you need to know is that Eisenhower was a Republican and he was president. Don't let facts and analysis get in your way.
Tooms, Your wish is my command! Here is reason and evidence.
Network News:
ABC News, Lean Left: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/abc-news-media-bias
CBS News, Lean Left: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/cbs-news-media-bias
NBC News, Lean Left: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/nbc-news-media-bias
Cable News with Significant Viewership:
CNN, Left: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/cnn-media-bias
MSNBC, Left: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/msnbc
Fox News, Right: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/fox-news-media-bias
Large Circulation National Newspapers:
New York Times, Lean Left: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/new-york-times
Washington Post, Lean Left: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post-media-bias
Wall Street Journal, Center: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/wall-street-journal-media-bias
Xpartan's theory that a company owning Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC, MyNetworkTV, and CW outlets is engaged in a conspiracy to sway Americans to vote for evil Republicans:Accurately reporting that the Unemployment Rate is 3. 5% or that Biden has already created more jobs than all 3 of the previous Repubs combined does not make a news outlet "left leaning" no matter how much the reportable facts rankles FUX News viewers.
And what would be in it for MSM to help Dems get elected so they can produce their typical positive but boring Headlines rather than helping Repubs get elected so they can produce their typical horrifying but exciting Headlines?
Still crowing daily with the same ole false dichotomy from your budget retirement haven (Thailand) I see. The 50's was a golden age for the working man and expansion of middle America, in spite of a few mild recessions, much of which related to the end of the Korean War. It was also an era of very high presidential approval ratings, balanced budgets, and new civil rights legislation. And you've never provided any satisfactory rebuttals to the historical facts and analysis from this historian.
https://millercenter.org/president/eisenhower/domestic-affairsFrom your favorite "Jobs? Who cares about jobs creation in the economy"? Historian's link:
Still, many Americans did not share in the prosperity of the 1950s. About one in every five Americans lived in poverty by the end of the decade. The poverty rate declined during Eisenhower's presidency, but 40 million Americans were poor when Eisenhower left office. The South had almost half of the country's poor families. Yet during the 1950s, poverty increased in northern cities, partly because of the migration of African Americans who left the South for cities like Detroit, Chicago, and Cleveland because new farm machines had taken away job opportunities. Often these new African American urban residents had to settle for low-paying employment because of job discrimination. Children and the elderly were much more likely to experience poverty than adults from ages 18 through 65.
Even though poverty was widespread, poor people got little attention during the 1950s. It was easier to celebrate the abundance of a booming consumer economy. People who had lived through the Great Depression of the 1930s emphasized the economic security of the 1950s. It was not until the 1960s that affluent Americans rediscovered the poverty amid the prosperity.LOL. Perfect. Shades of the surgically isolated Coolidge-Hoover "Roaring 20's".
As long as typically pro Repub MSM was there to ignore the unemployed and impoverished farmers and minorities and only focus on the Cunninghams of the future revisionist historian "Happy Days" and not the Kramdens and the Nortons of the contemporaneous real world "Honeymooners", hey, those were your revisionist historian's "boom times"!
I can't wait to read Tiny12's explain to you that the only reason a certain select demographic felt better in the 1950's was because they had experienced The Great Repub Depression in their youth. You know, that "gee I feel great to lose 50 of the 100 pounds of excess weight I packed on last year" bit.
This thread is getting rather repetitive. It's like people are trying to gaslight themselves. I'm hard pressed to post without repeating what I've already said. And I feel like I've stepped into a Mormon Temple and foolishly started arguing religion. That's not a bright thing to do.
I'll check back in after the mid terms to gloat. Presumably the Republicans will win the House. For a Neoliberal / Republican / Libertarian / Bothsider like me, that's a good outcome. It may be too much to hope for, but if Biden will ditch his Progressive handlers and McCarthy will ditch Trump, and they work with each other, maybe they'll usher in a new golden age, like what we experienced under Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich in the late 1990's. And if not at least the b*stards in Washington won't be able to f*ck us around as much with split government.
You may carry on with your Democratic Party lovefest gentlemen.
Still crowing daily with the same ole false dichotomy from your budget retirement haven (Thailand) I see. The 50's was a golden age for the working man and expansion of middle America, in spite of a few mild recessions, much of which related to the end of the Korean War. It was also an era of very high presidential approval ratings, balanced budgets, and new civil rights legislation. And you've never provided any satisfactory rebuttals to the historical facts and analysis from this historian.
https://millercenter.org/president/eisenhower/domestic-affairsFrom your favorite Revisionist Historian's site:
Although mild recessions slowed growth in 1953-1954, 1957-1958, and again in 1960, the economy expanded robustly during most of the 1950s. Unemployment was generally low, and inflation usually was 2 percent or less. First of all, one wonders if Pach even realizes that he just admitted to FIVE of Eisenhower's eight years in office being in a state of Recession! And it's not like he inherited it that way. He didn't. Far from it.
Second, isn't it amazing how easy it is to float along in a world of 2% or less inflation when 63% of your two term presidency is in Recession and producing one of the worst jobs creation records of all time! We know all about why Recession Is Normal Repubs love their record of low inflation and demonize higher inflation when Dems finally recover us from those Repub Recessions. LOL.
That is some astonishing pro crap Repub economic results spin! Did Pach ever work for MSNBC or CNN? He could have. They'd love him over there.
And on Eisenhower's "generally low" Unemployment; compared to whom? Certainly not compared to the Dems on either side of his presidency. Certainly not compared to most Dems post-WWII, especially when you factor in where it was and trending when he took office vs where it was and trending when he left office as well as that same factor for Dems.
Compared to Reagan, Bush2 and Trump? Sure.
Please set the BLS Historical Unemployment Rate Table below as far back as it goes, to 1948, and review:
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
Eisenhower took office with the Unemployment Rate at 2. 9% and trending down over the next 2-3 months to 2. 5%. I suppose those were a big contribution to that "generally low" spin.
By the following year the Unemployment Rate had MORE THAN DOUBLED. By his 6th year in office it had TRIPLED. And at his typically crap Repub-to-Dem hand-off in January 1961 it was still MORE THAN DOUBLE what he inherited and ON THE RISE toward another TRIPLE!
And, yep, that was not the way it was for the Dems on either side of Eisenhower's presidency or for most if not all Dems ever since.
Yeah, I get it. Eisenhower was a lucky General, a WWII victory icon and a likeable, Do Nothing Repub POTUS. Hence, his high approval ratings. But the actual data and record of results shows he was a crap POTUS on the economy no matter how distracted from that reality some Americans were while enjoying all those free "I Love Lucy" episodes on their first television set.
But that reality was obviously not lost on the membership of virtually every Labor Union in the country whose rank and file easily chose Kennedy over Eisenhower's VP.
MarquisdeSade1
10-24-22, 21:43
This thread is getting rather repetitive. It's like people are trying to gaslight themselves. I'm hard pressed to post without repeating what I've already said. And I feel like I've stepped into a Mormon Temple and foolishly started arguing religion. That's not a bright thing to do.
I'll check back in after the mid terms to gloat. Presumably the Republicans will win the House. For a Neoliberal / Republican / Libertarian / Bothsider like me, that's a good outcome. It may be too much to hope for, but if Biden will ditch his Progressive handlers and McCarthy will ditch Trump, and they work with each other, maybe they'll usher in a new golden age, like what we experienced under Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich in the late 1990's. And if not at least the b*stards in Washington won't be able to f*ck us around as much with split government.
You may carry on with your Democratic Party lovefest gentlemen.But what took so long to come to this blatantly obvious realization? LOL.
Xpartan's theory that a company owning Fox, NBC, CBS, ABC, MyNetworkTV, and CW outlets is engaged in a conspiracy to sway Americans to vote for evil Republicans:
Sinclair Broadcasting Group, Center: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/sbgMy theory? It's not a theory, it's a fact.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/sinclair-broadcast-group
https://www.politifact.com/article/2017/oct/11/sinclair-targeting-politifact-you-need-know-facts
Of course, the FCC fine quashed their insatiable appetites somewhat, but they're still teaching 40% of USA households the virtues of Trumpism.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/06/business/sinclair-fine-fcc.html
Social Media:
Facebook: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/statement-by-donald-j-trump-45th-president-of-the-united-states-of-america-05.05.21-2
Twitter: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/statement-by-donald-j-trump-45th-president-of-the-united-states-of-america-05.05.21-2
Google: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news/statement-by-donald-j-trump-45th-president-of-the-united-states-of-america-05.05.21-2
Xpartan, as to your claims about talk radio, I don't think I buy them. Rush Limbaugh is dead. I've never heard of Michael Savage. The only one I listen to is Thom Hartman, and he's to the left of JustTK.First, I have no idea why you were inclined to link Orange Fruitcake's statements in this rebuttal.
So why?
Second, I linked the article that clearly states that out of 15 radio shows in this country 12 are conservative. Surely (insert your Airplane joke here), you won't insist that they're broadcasting into the vacuum. So whatever you think or I think or anyone else thinks is anecdotal at best. It's all about the numbers.
As I understand it, loss to revenues from cutting the maximum tax rate from 45% to 40% would have been about 2 billion pounds, out of a total 100 billion per year for the total program of tax cuts and energy subsidies. That had nothing to do with the markets' reaction. And the energy subsidies are not Libertarian by any means. They could just as well be straight out of the Progressive's playbook. Your gloating is misplaced.It is reported as 45 billion pounds in tax cuts, hardly the 2 billion you quote. Her hair-brained "trickle-down" tax cuts for the rich, had everything to do with sending the pound to historic lows and sparked market turmoil. When she "ditched" the tax plan and after she "cut-bait" and quit, markets corrected to the news.
UK PM Liz Truss admits mistakes on controversial tax cuts plan...
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/02/uk/uk-pm-liz-truss-tax-cuts-intl-gbr/index.html
BTW, just the facts, no gloating necessary, in this case.
My theory? It's not a theory, it's a fact.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/sinclair-broadcast-group
https://www.politifact.com/article/2017/oct/11/sinclair-targeting-politifact-you-need-know-facts
Of course, the FCC fine quashed their insatiable appetites somewhat, but they're still teaching 40% of USA households the virtues of Trumpism.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/06/business/sinclair-fine-fcc.html
First, I have no idea why you were inclined to link Orange Fruitcake's statements in this rebuttal.
So why?
Second, I linked the article that clearly states that out of 15 radio shows in this country 12 are conservative. Surely (insert your Airplane joke here), you won't insist that they're broadcasting into the vacuum. So whatever you think or I think or anyone else thinks is anecdotal at best. It's all about the numbers.Mainstream Media will unavoidably appear to be "left leaning" for much of the time simply because they are forced by legal and ethical circumstances to accurately report Dem achievements and positive results and Repub nothingness or crap results.
However, as I apparently must repeat in order to hope a tiny trickle seeps in to some winger heads someday, come election time it is a MSM Pro Repub Spin Fest!
They LOVE those Here's Another Repub Disaster Result headlines and see very little market or financial value in featuring boring, positive Dem results headlines.
At the very least MSM is hell bent to make the horse race as neck in neck close and exciting as any Dem-denigrating and Repub-elevating Bothsiderism spin can make it. Which, also as I have pointed out previously, in a world where MSM produces election outcomes on a knife's edge margin, all too often the crap results Repubs will win even if only by accident.
Either way, that is MSM helping Repubs win elections even if their initial intention was only to tighten the horse race for the sake of attention grabbing excitement.
Seriously, folks. There is no way a Repub should ever have won the White House again after Reagan's first term, a Repub should have ever been Speaker of the House again after double government closure, total obstructionist and only Clinton dick-sniffing failure Gingrich or a Repub Senate Leader again after what we have all witnessed in Moscow Mitch.
Yet, since those Repub disasters first plopped in our laps we have seen even loonier and worse Repub stewardship and results while at the same time the horse races got tighter!
That could never have happened without Herculean pro Repub spinning efforts by MSM to make it so come every election time.
Tooms, Your wish is my command! Here is reason and evidence.
Network News:
ABC News, Lean Left: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/abc-news-media-bias
CBS News, Lean Left: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/cbs-news-media-bias
NBC News, Lean Left: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/nbc-news-media-bias
.... Nice try buckeroo! Tiny 12, try reading the fine print on the Allsides website. ONLY online coverage applies.
AllSides Media Bias RatingsTM are based on multi-partisan, scientific analysis. Unless otherwise noted, this bias rating refers only to online news coverage, not TV, print, or radio content.
ABC News, Lean Left: https://www.allsides.com/news-source/abc-news-media-bias
et al. allsides.com references You, always fail to address the 1,500+ right-wing radio stations and the 200+ right-wing Spanish radio stations.
According to Mr. Hartmann that you listen to:
Why Is Talk Radio So Right-Wing? (And How Can The Left Compete?)
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2021/10/why-is-talk-radio-so-right-wing-and-how-can-the-left-compete/
"The science was on our side, You must get vaxd to prevent transmission, you do it not for yourself but for others, we will impose a vaccine to stop transmission.".
All lies! It was always so fuckn obvious. Pfizer never even tested their vax on preventing transmission prior to its launch. But yet this was the foundation to the vax mandates and the global campaign against anti-vaxxers.
Now, how can you EVER, EVER, trust these people again? JD is so correct – they are criminal liars, supported by our leaders and sychophantic media. "The 'Ruling Class' in every country are the enemy of the human race".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeyHfwCshPk
February 9, 2021, I published an article that clarified the medical and legal definitions of a "vaccine. " In the article, I noted that mRNA COVID-19 jabs did not meet those definitions, in part because they don't prevent infection or spread. In reality, they're experimental gene therapies. In July that year, The New York Times published a hit piece on me citing that February 9 article:1.
"The article that appeared online on Feb. 9 began with a seemingly innocuous question about the legal definition of vaccines. Then over its next 3,400 words, it declared coronavirus vaccines were 'a medical fraud' and said the injections did not prevent infections, provide immunity or stop transmission of the disease.
Instead, the article claimed, the shots 'alter your genetic coding, turning you into a viral protein factory that has no off-switch. ' Its assertions were easily disprovable.".
Pfizer Moved 'at the Speed of Science'.
Fast-forward to early October 2022, and my claims were officially confirmed during a COVID hearing in the European Parliament. Dutch member Rob Roos questioned Pfizer's president of international developed markets, Janine Small, about whether Pfizer had in fact tested and confirmed that their mRNA jab would prevent transmission prior to its rollout.
As noted by Roos, the entire premise behind COVID shot mandates and vaccine passports was that by taking the shot, you would protect others, as it would prevent infection and spread of COVID-19. Small replied:
"No. We had to really move at the speed of science to understand what is happening in the market. And we had to do everything at risk. "2.
This means the COVID passport was based on a big lie. The only purpose of the COVID passport: forcing people to get vaccinated. I find this shocking — even criminal. Rob Roos, MEP.
In the video below, biologist and nurse teacher John Campbell, Ph. The. , reviews this growing scandal. He points out that you. K. Government officials emphatically assured the public that everything that was normally done in clinical trials for a vaccine was done for the COVID shots. Now we're told that was not the case after all.
The question is why? According to Small, these basic trials were not done because they "had to move at the speed of science. " But just what does that mean? As noted by Campbell, these are "just words without meaning. " It's complete nonsense.
Moreover, what does it mean to "do everything at risk"? Campbell admits he has no idea what that means. I don't either, but were I to venture a guess, I'the guess it means they knowingly skipped certain testing even though they knew the risks of doing so.
So, by October 2020, at the latest, it was clear that no studies had been done to determine whether the shots actually prevented transmission, which is a prerequisite for the claim that you'll save the lives of others if you take it. . .
As I stated in February 2021, the shots are a medical fraud. A true vaccine prevents infection; COVID shots don't. Hence, they've also been fraudulently marketed. Governments around the world enabled this marketing fraud and media promulgated it.
As a result of mandating COVID shots and vaccine passports based on a blatant lie, millions have suffered potentially permanent harm and / or have died. Millions have also lost their jobs, forfeited careers and missed out on educational opportunities. This all happened because we DIDN'T follow the science.
Why did government agencies go along with what was, to anyone with a microgram of critical thinking skills, an apparent fraud? Probably, because they're in on it. As reported by investigative journalist Paul Thacker, the same PR company that serves Moderna and Pfizer also staffs the USA Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Division of Viral Diseases team. . .
In late September 2022, Doshi published a risk-benefit analysis focused on serious adverse events observed in Pfizer's and Moderna's COVID trials. Reanalysis of the data showed 1 in 800 who get a COVID shot suffers a serious injury. As detailed in Doshi's paper:13.
"Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were associated with an excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest of 10.1 and 15.1 per 10,000 vaccinated over placebo baselines of 17.6 and 42.2 respectively.
Combined, the mRNA vaccines were associated with an excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest of 12.5 per 10,000 vaccinated; risk ratio 1. 43.
The Pfizer trial exhibited a 36 % higher risk of serious adverse events in the vaccine group. The Moderna trial exhibited a 6 % higher risk of serious adverse events in the vaccine group. Combined, there was a 16 % higher risk of serious adverse events in mRNA vaccine recipients.".
Full article: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/10/joseph-mercola/speed-of-science-a-scandal-beyond-your-wildest-nightmare/.
"The science was on our side, You must get vaxd to prevent transmission, you do it not for yourself but for others, we will impose a vaccine to stop transmission.".
All lies! It was always so fuckn obvious. Pfizer never even tested their vax on preventing transmission prior to its launch. But yet this was the foundation to the vax mandates and the global campaign against anti-vaxxers.
Now, how can you EVER, EVER, trust these people again? JD is so correct they are criminal liars, supported by our leaders and sychophantic media. "The 'Ruling Class' in every country are the enemy of the human race".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeyHfwCshPk
It is reported as 45 billion pounds in tax cuts,Excellent example of how the biased, left leaning main stream media programs people. The cost of the component of the tax plan to cut the maximum rate from 45% to 40% was 2 billion as I clearly said. The left leaning mainstream media in most instances conveniently failed to mention that cuts in stamp duties, a health care levy, going back on a plan to raise the corporate tax rate, and a small middle class tax cut were also included in the 45 billion in reduced collections.
Great catch on the websites. That was a real gotcha moment. I guess you think that the networks on air coverage is to the right of the videos and other content they publish on their web sites. And the newspapers paper versions are far different from their web content.
And sorry. I've resolved not to argue with Democrats, Trumpsters and cult members. This was bugging me though.
MarquisdeSade1
10-25-22, 16:04
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/10/25/carlson-rise-in-crime-by-design-an-attempt-to-destroy-the-american-middle-class/
Full article: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/10/joseph-mercola/speed-of-science-a-scandal-beyond-your-wildest-nightmare/.That's an excellent article. Thanks for posting. Also a very funny thumbnail. Hehe.
MiamiSammy
10-25-22, 18:43
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/10/25/carlson-rise-in-crime-by-design-an-attempt-to-destroy-the-american-middle-class/Quoting Breitbart? Do you have any facts, or just Fox news and Breitbart propaganda?
MiamiSammy
10-25-22, 18:46
February 9, 2021, I published an article that clarified the medical and legal definitions of a "vaccine. " In the article, I noted that mRNA COVID-19 jabs did not meet those definitions, in part because they don't prevent infection or spread. In reality, they're experimental gene therapies. In July that year, The New York Times published a hit piece on me citing that February 9 article:1.
"The article that appeared online on Feb. 9 began with a seemingly innocuous question about the legal definition of vaccines. Then over its next 3,400 words, it declared coronavirus vaccines were 'a medical fraud' and said the injections did not prevent infections, provide immunity or stop transmission of the disease.
Instead, the article claimed, the shots 'alter your genetic coding, turning you into a viral protein factory that has no off-switch. ' Its assertions were easily disprovable.".
Pfizer Moved 'at the Speed of Science'.
Fast-forward to early October 2022, and my claims were officially confirmed during a COVID hearing in the European Parliament. Dutch member Rob Roos questioned Pfizer's president of international developed markets, Janine Small, about whether Pfizer had in fact tested and confirmed that their mRNA jab would prevent transmission prior to its rollout.
As noted by Roos, the entire premise behind COVID shot mandates and vaccine passports was that by taking the shot, you would protect others, as it would prevent infection and spread of COVID-19. Small replied:
"No. We had to really move at the speed of science to understand what is happening in the market. And we had to do everything at risk. "2.
This means the COVID passport was based on a big lie. The only purpose of the COVID passport: forcing people to get vaccinated. I find this shocking even criminal. Rob Roos, MEP.
In the video below, biologist and nurse teacher John Campbell, Ph. The. , reviews this growing scandal. He points out that you. K. Government officials emphatically assured the public that everything that was normally done in clinical trials for a vaccine was done for the COVID shots. Now we're told that was not the case after all.
The question is why? According to Small, these basic trials were not done because they "had to move at the speed of science. " But just what does that mean? As noted by Campbell, these are "just words without meaning. " It's complete nonsense.
Moreover, what does it mean to "do everything at risk"? Campbell admits he has no idea what that means. I don't either, but were I to venture a guess, I'the guess it means they knowingly skipped certain testing even though they knew the risks of doing so.
So, by October 2020, at the latest, it was clear that no studies had been done to determine whether the shots actually prevented transmission, which is a prerequisite for the claim that you'll save the lives of others if you take it. . .
As I stated in February 2021, the shots are a medical fraud. A true vaccine prevents infection; COVID shots don't. Hence, they've also been fraudulently marketed. Governments around the world enabled this marketing fraud and media promulgated it.
As a result of mandating COVID shots and vaccine passports based on a blatant lie, millions have suffered potentially permanent harm and / or have died. Millions have also lost their jobs, forfeited careers and missed out on educational opportunities. This all happened because we DIDN'T follow the science.
Why did government agencies go along with what was, to anyone with a microgram of critical thinking skills, an apparent fraud? Probably, because they're in on it. As reported by investigative journalist Paul Thacker, the same PR company that serves Moderna and Pfizer also staffs the USA Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Division of Viral Diseases team. . .
In late September 2022, Doshi published a risk-benefit analysis focused on serious adverse events observed in Pfizer's and Moderna's COVID trials. Reanalysis of the data showed 1 in 800 who get a COVID shot suffers a serious injury. As detailed in Doshi's paper:13.
"Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were associated with an excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest of 10.1 and 15.1 per 10,000 vaccinated over placebo baselines of 17.6 and 42.2 respectively.
Combined, the mRNA vaccines were associated with an excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest of 12.5 per 10,000 vaccinated; risk ratio 1. 43.
The Pfizer trial exhibited a 36 % higher risk of serious adverse events in the vaccine group. The Moderna trial exhibited a 6 % higher risk of serious adverse events in the vaccine group. Combined, there was a 16 % higher risk of serious adverse events in mRNA vaccine recipients.".
Full article: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/10/joseph-mercola/speed-of-science-a-scandal-beyond-your-wildest-nightmare/.mRNA vaccines for corona-type viruses had been in the pipeline for a number of years. Your aversion to COVID vaccines is undermined by the fact that billions of doses have been administered with the only drawback being a somewhat "return to normal" due to the reduction of infections and the growth of an underworld of vermin who not only doesn't trust science, but doesn't have the intellectual gravitas to understand it.
MiamiSammy
10-25-22, 18:50
February 9, 2021, I published an article that clarified the medical and legal definitions of a "vaccine. " In the article, I noted that mRNA COVID-19 jabs did not meet those definitions, in part because they don't prevent infection or spread. In reality, they're experimental gene therapies. In July that year, The New York Times published a hit piece on me citing that February 9 article:1.
"The article that appeared online on Feb. 9 began with a seemingly innocuous question about the legal definition of vaccines. Then over its next 3,400 words, it declared coronavirus vaccines were 'a medical fraud' and said the injections did not prevent infections, provide immunity or stop transmission of the disease.
Instead, the article claimed, the shots 'alter your genetic coding, turning you into a viral protein factory that has no off-switch. ' Its assertions were easily disprovable.".
Pfizer Moved 'at the Speed of Science'.
Fast-forward to early October 2022, and my claims were officially confirmed during a COVID hearing in the European Parliament. Dutch member Rob Roos questioned Pfizer's president of international developed markets, Janine Small, about whether Pfizer had in fact tested and confirmed that their mRNA jab would prevent transmission prior to its rollout.
As noted by Roos, the entire premise behind COVID shot mandates and vaccine passports was that by taking the shot, you would protect others, as it would prevent infection and spread of COVID-19. Small replied:
"No. We had to really move at the speed of science to understand what is happening in the market. And we had to do everything at risk. "2.
This means the COVID passport was based on a big lie. The only purpose of the COVID passport: forcing people to get vaccinated. I find this shocking even criminal. Rob Roos, MEP.
In the video below, biologist and nurse teacher John Campbell, Ph. The. , reviews this growing scandal. He points out that you. K. Government officials emphatically assured the public that everything that was normally done in clinical trials for a vaccine was done for the COVID shots. Now we're told that was not the case after all.
The question is why? According to Small, these basic trials were not done because they "had to move at the speed of science. " But just what does that mean? As noted by Campbell, these are "just words without meaning. " It's complete nonsense.
Moreover, what does it mean to "do everything at risk"? Campbell admits he has no idea what that means. I don't either, but were I to venture a guess, I'the guess it means they knowingly skipped certain testing even though they knew the risks of doing so.
So, by October 2020, at the latest, it was clear that no studies had been done to determine whether the shots actually prevented transmission, which is a prerequisite for the claim that you'll save the lives of others if you take it. . .
As I stated in February 2021, the shots are a medical fraud. A true vaccine prevents infection; COVID shots don't. Hence, they've also been fraudulently marketed. Governments around the world enabled this marketing fraud and media promulgated it.
As a result of mandating COVID shots and vaccine passports based on a blatant lie, millions have suffered potentially permanent harm and / or have died. Millions have also lost their jobs, forfeited careers and missed out on educational opportunities. This all happened because we DIDN'T follow the science.
Why did government agencies go along with what was, to anyone with a microgram of critical thinking skills, an apparent fraud? Probably, because they're in on it. As reported by investigative journalist Paul Thacker, the same PR company that serves Moderna and Pfizer also staffs the USA Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Division of Viral Diseases team. . .
In late September 2022, Doshi published a risk-benefit analysis focused on serious adverse events observed in Pfizer's and Moderna's COVID trials. Reanalysis of the data showed 1 in 800 who get a COVID shot suffers a serious injury. As detailed in Doshi's paper:13.
"Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were associated with an excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest of 10.1 and 15.1 per 10,000 vaccinated over placebo baselines of 17.6 and 42.2 respectively.
Combined, the mRNA vaccines were associated with an excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest of 12.5 per 10,000 vaccinated; risk ratio 1. 43.
The Pfizer trial exhibited a 36 % higher risk of serious adverse events in the vaccine group. The Moderna trial exhibited a 6 % higher risk of serious adverse events in the vaccine group. Combined, there was a 16 % higher risk of serious adverse events in mRNA vaccine recipients.".
Full article: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/10/joseph-mercola/speed-of-science-a-scandal-beyond-your-wildest-nightmare/.The problem with your "science" is that the research provided by your "source" is invalid. Lew Rockwell dot com is only slightly more credible than Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Quoting Breitbart? Do you have any facts, or just Fox news and Breitbart propaganda?That's preposterous! He also quotes RT and Sputnik.
Your aversion to COVID vaccines is undermined by the fact that billions of doses have been administered with the only drawback being a somewhat "return to normalAnother one that has drunk the KoolAid. Legitimate concerns about the adequcy of testing does nlot equate to an "aversion to COVID vaccines". And if you think that there was only one drawback, you are deluded. The policies enacted by Western and many other governments destroyed millions of lives and livelihoods. And the issue is that those policies were based faulty research.
The problem with your "science" is that the research provided by your "source" is invalid. Lew Rockwell dot com is only slightly more credible than Marjorie Taylor Greene.On what way is the science invalid? The BM posted an article that referred to research and widely reported events. You can even watch those same events on line. There is no dispute. Attack the message, not the messenger.
Another one that has drunk the KoolAid. Legitimate concerns about the adequcy of testing does nlot equate to an "aversion to COVID vaccines". And if you think that there was only one drawback, you are deluded. The policies enacted by Western and many other governments destroyed millions of lives and livelihoods. And the issue is that those policies were based faulty research.Please name one company that was required to test for A, b and c to get approval for something but decided on their own to test for A, b, c, d, E, F, G and H.
The vaccine companies were not required to test for anything other than what they tested for. Period.
Elvis 2008
10-26-22, 19:14
mRNA vaccines for corona-type viruses had been in the pipeline for a number of years.So what?
Your aversion to COVID vaccines is undermined by the fact that billions of doses have been administered with the only drawback being a somewhat "return to normal" due to the reduction of infectionsAgain, what are you talking about? A spokesman for Pfizer was deposed in Europe and said the vaccine does not prevent transmission.
The growth of an underworld of vermin who not only doesn't trust science, but doesn't have the intellectual gravitas to understand it.Here is the science. When the vaccines were approved by the FDA, they were done with a strain of Covid where vaccines did prevent transmission. That was gone about 6 months later. The vaccines had zero to do with death. In fact, people getting the vaccine had a higher death rate than people who did not get it (the placebo group). That is the science. Period.
Once the vaccines were below being 50% effective, they should have been thrown in the trash. However, Biden and his merry band of followers doubled down on the vaccines working and said that if you get the vaccines, you will not get Covid. And of course, since then, every government and pharmacy advocate blowhard who was vaxxed x infinity has gotten Covid.
If you were to actually get out of your shell and educate yourself on both sides of the equation and watch right wing media, or even guys like Jimmy Dore, you would see countless videos of people telling you how not to get Covid and then the videos of announcement of their coming down with it themselves. That you still want to worship these so called experts says all we need to know about you. You sir are the one who is not educated. The latest so called expert to come down with Covid is CDC director Rachel Wallensky.
You know what science is not about? Censorship, and we are seeing that same band of so called experts you worship back tracking so quickly on the censorship issue it is not even funny, but again, you know nothing about that. It is not in the news sources you look at.
On a personal note, I have been in Mexico studying Spanish, and my teacher asked about the vaccine. I told her the side effects from it were woefully underreported. Every one I talked to had pain in the arm the day after the vaccine not from the shot itself. That was an immune reaction. I have said I was vaccinated twice: the first dose was to prevent my getting Covid and the second was purely for political purposes so I could travel but the second dose resulted in an injection site so tender that for 3 days if anyone even slightly touched me there, I winced in pain. It was no big deal but to me it was a sign to not get any more of the fucking vaccines.
Well, my teacher had no such luck. The first shot was the same as mine but the second led to an immune response that affected not just her arm but her whole body. She went from walking miles to yards and suffered from God awful heart palpitations for months. Worse, her husband ragged on her for not getting boosted and it led to her divorce. Her colleagues gave her crap as they were boosted x infinity as well while she resisted. It was like manna from heaven for her to have someone educated tell her this reaction was not in her head. Of course, you have already decided that people who suffered like her should be ignored.
What is worse though was my going to Walmart in Mexico and there was a ridiculous policy in place about mask wearing. I wanted to say, "So the Walmarts in the USA do not give a shit about people dying from Covid?
The reason the blue states finally opened up is that people had enough. Hell, Bill Maher was on his show every week bitching about how playing in red states was so much easier than blue ones. So maybe you did not get this. People abandoned the so called experts politically, and I would bet right now you go on a plane or go shopping without a mask. If so, my question to you is why? The virus is still out there spreading and killing people.
What has changed us that the Ukraine war used as an excuse to get it off the headlines and the blowhard experts have had their mikes taken away by the government telling the media to do so. The left wing media knew what was coming if they still preached they knew all with Covid.
After all this, I am saddened to see that there are still people abroad like here in Mexico who have not gotten the memo. I would like to ask who in their right mind would listen to these so called experts ever again? And then there are people like you who have no clue to what these so called experts have done to the American people, the people of the world, and the children of the world.
What kills me is you have right wing media outlets that show Fauci backtracking like crazy on shutting the schools down, and you are like, "Oh, no my God Fauci, you are a scientist who did right by the world and shutting the schools down was the right thing to do to save children's lives."
I thought the worst part of Covid would be the economics of it, but I was wrong. The worst is what has happened to the children. And for what?
Elvis 2008
10-26-22, 20:22
Excellent example of how the biased, left leaning main stream media programs people. The cost of the component of the tax plan to cut the maximum rate from 45% to 40% was 2 billion as I clearly said. The left leaning mainstream media in most instances conveniently failed to mention that cuts in stamp duties, a health care levy, going back on a plan to raise the corporate tax rate, and a small middle class tax cut were also included in the 45 billion in reduced collections.
Great catch on the websites. That was a real gotcha moment. I guess you think that the networks on air coverage is to the right of the videos and other content they publish on their web sites. And the newspapers paper versions are far different from their web content.
And sorry. I've resolved not to argue with Democrats, Trumpsters and cult members. This was bugging me though.I am not sure we have any Trumpstes here outside of MDS. Tooms said that Trump was bitching up a storm about the Fed when he was in office, and Trump did that. The Fed raised rates during the time Trump was in office. What he left out is the Fed admitted doing so was a mistake and then lowered them later. Again, this was nothing compared to what we have today. I think they were 25 basis points moves versus the 75 basis points moves we see now.
What you did not see is my hounding Tooms about what he was invested in back in April right when the Fed announced what they were going to do. Thing is early on in Covid everyone, both red and blue, did the same thing: locked down, printed up money, and advocated for zero percent interest rates. The only difference, and another minor one in the grand scheme of things, were some Republican governors like Desantis opened up their states sooner. It was a big deal for those living there, but it was really like a 6 to 9 month difference.
So yeah, when you print up a lot of money, you are going to have all kind of asset classes go up, and they did. There are always signs of excess, and my favorite were the NFT monkeys going for millions and billions. South Park even did a bit on that. And Biden rode that rising wave of assets to a great approval rating, the economy and not being the egocentric Trump who had to dominate every conversation in the world.
What you see though is guys like Tooms and PVM who are completely oblivious to the economic reality. When you print up that much money, inflation is sure to follow. Then you will have the money printers reign things in. The job of the Fed is to take away the punch bowl when the party gets going, and they have. In my mind, any responsible Fed chairman would do likewise and the Fed has had not just Powell but all its members of the Fed out there in medialand preaching from the same book. But with Tooms, there is the political. The fed is being run by Trump appointed Powell. Ugh.
With them, economic reality is all about partisan bickering, but any smart Fed would do the same thing. Any president who is in Biden's shoes was going to have to pay for the economic sugar rush that Covid brought. Honestly, there was little that could be done to make it better but a lot could be done to make it worse, and Biden's energy policy is an example of something worse. Hell, you even have Dems now admitting they printed up too much money.
In fact, the Brits have a conservative leading them in name only. The entire man made global warming scam was funded by Goldman Sachs that wanted to trade carbon futures, and the new so called conservative PM of the UK has just outlawed fracking in Britain again. Sigh. The party he belongs to is the party of Goldman Sachs.
On a side note, I just finished Peter Zeihan's book and at least he acknowledges all the facts. With global warming, he recounts how devastating warming has been in Australia and how great it has been in Illinois. That is something you will not read elsewhere. Yes, all climate change is supposed to be bad.
But with the partisan hacks, they do not even get what the Fed is doing. They raise rates to destroy demand, and it is only when demand is sufficiently crushed that they will stop. The stock market traders are all obsessed with when the Fed will stop. They also think the Fed will pivot and start lowering rates again (like that is going to happen any time soon. LOL.) and so we have seen a market rally lately. In actuality, historically speaking, the worst time ever to be in the market is not when the Fed is raising rates but when they are done raising them.
Anyway, the technical guys are saying we are do for a bounce up, and I had sold half my short holdings two weeks ago. I will be looking to go short more when this current rally is over. Google and Microsoft reported numbers the street did not like and yet the Dow is actually up as of now. If there was not news of the Fed slowing down / stopping the market would be getting crushed today given how big a chunk of the market is owned by these two companies. The technical guys say the S&P will go back up to the 4000 area now. I am not a technical guy but I listen to the guys there who seem to be right over and over again: Guy Adami, Carter Worth, and Katie Stockton seem to never be wrong with their market calls.
All that really matters going forward politically is that the Republicans take over the House or Senate and curb Biden's spending even more. We had the senators from West Virginia and Arizona doing that and we will have the courts ending Biden's politically smart but illegal and economically brain dead policy of cancelling student debt.
The amazing thing to me is how many Dems think electing Biden meant everything was going to be great. You cannot shut down the work force, print up $11 trillion and think everything is going to be okay. The moves to do this, I repeat, were bipartisan. It is just now we have this dumb finger pointing. It is Trump appointed Powell, Trump shutting down supply chains, and Trump causing the pandemic.
Any president in office from 2020 to 2024 was going to deal with a recession. It is amazing to me that anyone could think otherwise.
Excellent example of how the biased, left leaning main stream media programs people. ... were also included in the 45 billion in reduced collections.Talk about right-wing spin, cherry-picking the tax plan and not disclosing true 45 Billion in tax cuts. The fact that what ever article you were reading didn't include the full coverage of the tax cuts, suggests that Liz Trust and the conservatives were hiding the true extent of the tax cuts, while soft peddling the "tax cuts" and her "Trickle-Down Zombie Economics" to the Brits as "good plan for all Brits".
This thread is getting rather repetitive. It's like people are trying to gaslight themselves. I'm hard pressed to post without repeating what I've already said. And I feel like I've stepped into a Mormon Temple and foolishly started arguing religion. That's not a bright thing to do.
I'll check back in after the mid terms to gloat. ... Why check back at all? According to you, it the same reoccurring sh*t or religious "Mormon Temple".
So why do it? why "check back"? By all means, "check back" and pay us a visit, if you need to satisfy your political masochistic itch!
But really, no need to "check back" with the "Mormon Temple", just to gloat. You can "check back" with us at any time, especially without the gloating. (....kkkk!)
Please name one company that was required to test for A, b and c to get approval for something but decided on their own to test for A, b, c, d, E, F, G and H.
The vaccine companies were not required to test for anything other than what they tested for. Period.BUt that has zero to do with what is being said here. They didn't test if the vax reduced transmission, yet this is what was claimed by government, media, and enforced by social media, ever since the vaxxes were released.
Elvis 2008
10-26-22, 22:27
Please name one company that was required to test for A, b and c to get approval for something but decided on their own to test for A, b, c, d, E, F, G and H.
The vaccine companies were not required to test for anything other than what they tested for. Period.This is a classic straw man.
If the actions of the vaccine companies do not make you sick, then you are just not well informed. Period.
You Dems turned what should have been a personal choice people made between themselves and their doctor into a political football, and the only reason that happened is that doctors were largely cut out of the mix because the vaccine companies (and government) had immunity from lawsuits.
Do you think the vaccine companies (and government) would want anyone saying that there was zero, and I mean zero, good safety data with regards to children?
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/vast-majority-youngest-americans-remain-unvaccinated-covid/story?id=88598959
About 941,000 children, under the age of five have now received their first shot of a COVID-19 vaccine, newly updated federal data shows. The overall total represents approximately 4. 8% of the 19.5 million USA Children in that age group.
Just 182,000 of those children, or less than 1%, have been fully vaccinated.
When broken down by age group, data shows that the majority of children under 5 who have received at least one shot are between the ages of 2 and 4 -- 682,000, compared to just 259,000 children under the age of 2.
Preliminary data reported by states shows that several states in the Northeast currently have the highest share of children under 5 vaccinated with at least one dose. Washington, the. See. Continues to lead the nation with nearly 15% of its jurisdiction's children under 5 vaccinated with their first shot, followed by Vermont (10.4% and Massachusetts (6. 87%.
Mississippi has the lowest percentage of children under 5 vaccinated, with 0. 47% of children with their first shot, followed by Alabama (0. 64%) and Louisiana (0. 79%.
This is the typical kind of crap media reporting that Pfizer was paying for. Thing is PVM, you see this as parents in the blue states know what they are doing. I see this as 99+% of parents know a scam when they see one.
Fauci is back pedaling like crazy on the children's issues but not you Dems. Gee, I wonder why.
You know what science is not about? Censorship, and we are seeing that same band of so called experts you worship back tracking so quickly on the censorship issue it is not even funny, but again, you know nothing about that. It is not in the news sources you look at.
"If you have to be persuaded, reminded, pressured, lied to, incentivized, coerced, bullied, socially shamed, guilt-tripped, threatened, punished and criminalized. If all of this is considered necessary to gain your compliance -- you can be absolutely certain that what is being promoted is not in your best interest. " - Ian Watson.
I thought the worst part of Covid would be the economics of it, but I was wrong. The worst is what has happened to the children. And for what?Since the actions of the quote I gave are the new norm, for me the worst part is the social impact it has had. The world can never be the same again, not for those that lived thru this with open eyes.
We are still waiting patiently for Elvis and other Repubs to explain how Biden and the Dems did this to countries all around the world and to those Law and Order, Rule of Law well managed, high crime rate Red States:
Rising inflation is a global problem
U.S. policy choices are not to blame
https://www.epi.org/blog/rising-inflation-is-a-global-problem-u-s-policy-choices-are-not-to-blame/
U.S. inflation rate is in the middle of the pack globally
https://www.axios.com/2022/06/13/inflation-rates-around-world-us-china-eu-japan
Republican-controlled states have higher murder rates than Democratic ones: study
https://news.yahoo.com/republican-controlled-states-have-higher-murder-rates-than-democratic-ones-study-212137750.html
SC makes list of states with highest rates of violent crime
https://www.foxcarolina.com/2022/10/18/sc-makes-list-states-with-highest-rates-violent-crime/
And we never did hear how Elvis missed out on the stock market gains from late 2016 right up until the first of 2022. Since the Fed was raising rates beginning in late 2016 and tons and tons of money was being printed every year under Trump, mostly with absolutely nothing to show for it (fewer jobs were created after he and the Repubs added so much more to the deficit and Annual Real GDP Growth never increased by even 1 percentage point) then surely he must have shorted the market early and has been sitting on the sidelines all this time.
Unless his usual coin flip for these matters sent him in a different direction that time, of course.
DramaFree11
10-27-22, 03:44
So what?
Again, what are you talking about? A spokesman for Pfizer was deposed in Europe and said the vaccine does not prevent transmission.
Here is the science. When the vaccines were approved by the FDA, they were done with a strain of Covid where vaccines did prevent transmission. That was gone about 6 months later. The vaccines had zero to do with death. In fact, people getting the vaccine had a higher death rate than people who did not get it (the placebo group). That is the science. Period.
Once the vaccines were below being 50% effective, they should have been thrown in the trash. However, Biden and his merry band of followers doubled down on the vaccines working and said that if you get the vaccines, you will not get Covid. And of course, since then, every government and pharmacy advocate blowhard who was vaxxed x infinity has gotten Covid.
If you were to actually get out of your shell and educate yourself on both sides of the equation and watch right wing media, or even guys like Jimmy Dore, you would see countless videos of people telling you how not to get Covid and then the videos of announcement of their coming down with it themselves. That you still want to worship these so called experts says all we need to know about you. You sir are the one who is not educated. The latest so called expert to come down with Covid is CDC director Rachel Wallensky..Covid sucked, I do agree the worst part about Covid is the long-term consequences for Kids, the financial repercussions run a close second. It is so sad they are still making kids wear masks in Mexico.
My last trips to CDMX 2 Didi Drivers made me put on masks, when will it end. I prefer Didi, in Mexico because they are not as strict about the mask. Uber in CDMX is very strict about the mask.
I think it will probably get worse financially before, economies start to improve, but everything depends on the War and Gas, but with Biden who knows.
And sorry. I've resolved not to argue with Democrats, Trumpsters and cult members. This was bugging me though. I am not sure we have any Trumpstes here outside of MDS. ...
WOW! Breaking news...Elvis declares, he's not sure we have any Trumpsters here!!! Outside of MDS1, of course.
Your denial, w/r to the number of "Trumpsters" here, is just hilarious. I haven't laughed and chuckled, this hard in a long time.
I can just imagine the look on MDS1's face, when he read that ridiculous statement....kkkk!
So what?
Again, what are you talking about? A spokesman for Pfizer was deposed in Europe and said the vaccine does not prevent transmission.
Here is the science. When the vaccines were approved by the FDA, they were done with a strain of Covid where vaccines did prevent transmission. That was gone about 6 months later. The vaccines had zero to do with death. In fact, people getting the vaccine had a higher death rate than people who did not get it (the placebo group). That is the science. Period.
Once the vaccines were below being 50% effective, they should have been thrown in the trash. However, Biden and his merry band of followers doubled down on the vaccines working and said that if you get the vaccines, you will not get Covid. And of course, since then, every government and pharmacy advocate blowhard who was vaxxed x infinity has gotten Covid..Under whose watch was the vaccine developed? Donnie the Dumbass' watch, that's who.
Remember that Donnie the Dumbass said that he "really 'got' this stuff" when asked about COVID, vaccines, etc. So how come Donnie the Dumbass let all of these faulty vaccines be developed? He knew that they were faulty from the get-go, right? Or was he lying again when he said he understood what it was all about.
You complain about how the vaccines weren't worth spit but seem to conveniently forget who was in charge when they were developed and how "smart" that person claimed to be.
WOW! Breaking news...Elvis declares, he's not sure we have any Trumpsters here!!! Outside of MDS1, of course.
Your denial, w/r to the number of "Trumpsters" here, is just hilarious. I haven't laughed and chuckled, this hard in a long time.
I can just imagine the look on MDS1's face, when he read that ridiculous statement....kkkk!Every admitted Repub, Bothsider and Neithersider is a Trumpster whether they know it or not. They help Repubs get elected. And all Repubs have a preponderance of Trump DNA in them and would do every disastrous thing he did if given the chance.
Elvis 2008
10-27-22, 18:35
Under whose watch was the vaccine developed? Donnie the Dumbass' watch, that's who.
Remember that Donnie the Dumbass said that he "really 'got' this stuff" when asked about COVID, vaccines, etc. So how come Donnie the Dumbass let all of these faulty vaccines be developed? He knew that they were faulty from the get-go, right? Or was he lying again when he said he understood what it was all about.
You complain about how the vaccines weren't worth spit but seem to conveniently forget who was in charge when they were developed and how "smart" that person claimed to be.Here are the facts PVM: the FDA will not approve a vaccine if it is less than 50% effective. At first, it was 95% effective, and it went down over time. It was apparent in the Fall of 2021 the vaccine was less than 50% effective. This is when the vaccine should have been pulled. This was Biden's decision and the right thing to do would have been to pull the vaccine and the mandates.
Instead, the bone headed decision was made to give even more vaccines I. E. Boosters. The ultimate example of this failure was Biden himself. He was boosted x 2 giving him 4 vaccines in total, and he got Covid even after blabbing that if you got the vaccine, you could not get Covid. Making matters worse is Fauci, the CEO of Pfizer, and now the head of the CDC all got Covid after saying it was not possible to get it after being vaccinated.
Unlike the other douches here, I want to compliment you on acknowledging the vaccines were no good at some point.
Yes, you reverted to the same old tired douche line about it all being Trump's fault, but there was a small, very small acceptance of fact. That is progress with any of you guys.
I just read an article from Matt Taibbi who did an interview with super Democratic douche Tim Robbins. He had his come to Jesus moment and here are a few quotes.
I realized that we have been programmed in a different way in this country, to think that if someone doesn't get the vaccine, they must be a Nazi.
Throwing your doors open for the public means you throw them open to everybody. And once, no one even thought twice about that. It's the decent thing to do. Then during the pandemic, I heard people saying, "If you didn't take the vaccine and you get sick, you don't have a right to a hospital bed. ".
And I just started thinking, "What about all the junkies?" That's the choice they made, too. It's their own fucking vein. Are we kicking them out? No. You take care of them.
And then there was this howler of a line:
I believe that if the vaccine helps you, that's great. But, I have kind of a hard line on freedom. You can't over-regulate people's lives. I don't know what that makes me, what label that puts on me, but I am an absolutist on freedom.
End of quotes. At this point, I wonder what you names you all will call him.
I am not sure how someone believing mandating shitty vaccines, denying care to sick people, and censoring doctors voicing their opinions equates to freedom, but at least we are seeing a few Dems express regret and acknowledge some responsibility for their actions.
The "everything is Republican's and Trump's fault" douche lines are wearing thin, and it is just a matter of time before the public rejects them. Thing is a lot of people voting Republican may leave Trump behind but not you douches. You cannot quit Trump. Who else do you have to blame if anything else goes wrong?
Great discussion on Inflation, Imperialism & Worker Resistance in the USA (and some of it worldwide):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2BI9OhpzQQ
Every admitted Repub, Bothsider and Neithersider is a Trumpster whether they know it or not. They help Repubs get elected. And all Repubs have a preponderance of Trump DNA in them and would do every disastrous thing he did if given the chance.Joe Biden is the biggest Trumpster *whether he knows it or not* - he is playing the biggest role in getting Chump re-elected.
Here are the facts PVM: the FDA will not approve a vaccine if it is less than 50% effective. At first, it was 95% effective, and it went down over time. It was apparent in the Fall of 2021 the vaccine was less than 50% effective. This is when the vaccine should have been pulled. This was Biden's decision and the right thing to do would have been to pull the vaccine and the mandates.
Instead, the bone headed decision was made to give even more vaccines I. E. Boosters. The ultimate example of this failure was Biden himself. He was boosted x 2 giving him 4 vaccines in total, and he got Covid even after blabbing that if you got the vaccine, you could not get Covid. Making matters worse is Fauci, the CEO of Pfizer, and now the head of the CDC all got Covid after saying it was not possible to get it after being vaccinated.
Unlike the other douches here, I want to compliment you on acknowledging the vaccines were no good at some point.
Yes, you reverted to the same old tired douche line about it all being Trump's fault, but there was a small, very small acceptance of fact. That is progress with any of you guys.
I just read an article from Matt Taibbi who did an interview with super Democratic douche Tim Robbins. He had his come to Jesus moment and here are a few quotes.
I realized that we have been programmed in a different way in this country, to think that if someone doesn't get the vaccine, they must be a Nazi.
Throwing your doors open for the public means you throw them open to everybody. And once, no one even thought twice about that. It's the decent thing to do. Then during the pandemic, I heard people saying, "If you didn't take the vaccine and you get sick, you don't have a right to a hospital bed. ".
And I just started thinking, "What about all the junkies?" That's the choice they made, too. It's their own fucking vein. Are we kicking them out? No. You take care of them.
And then there was this howler of a line:
I believe that if the vaccine helps you, that's great. But, I have kind of a hard line on freedom. You can't over-regulate people's lives. I don't know what that makes me, what label that puts on me, but I am an absolutist on freedom.
End of quotes. At this point, I wonder what you names you all will call him.
I am not sure how someone believing mandating shitty vaccines, denying care to sick people, and censoring doctors voicing their opinions equates to freedom, but at least we are seeing a few Dems express regret and acknowledge some responsibility for their actions.
The "everything is Republican's and Trump's fault" douche lines are wearing thin, and it is just a matter of time before the public rejects them. Thing is a lot of people voting Republican may leave Trump behind but not you douches. You cannot quit Trump. Who else do you have to blame if anything else goes wrong?So you agree that Donnie the Dumbass lied when he said that he understood all of this stuff. He didn't understand vaccination any better than you do. But We've come to expect that from a charter member of the Moron Brigade.
https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-few-vaccines-prevent-infection-heres-why-thats-not-a-problem-152204
Joe Biden is the biggest Trumpster *whether he knows it or not* - he is playing the biggest role in getting Chump re-elected.And exactly how did Biden do that?
Was it anything like the same way Biden caused hyper-inflation in countries all around the world and forced Repub Red States to rank among those with the Highest Crime / Murder Rates?
I notice you haven't explained how Biden and the Dems managed to do that per my previous post question.
Oh, I know! It's because Biden actually did sign and pass historic, bipartisan Infrastructure legislation in the first several months of his presidency after Trump failed to pass even a teeny trump weeny one over four miserable years.
Or maybe it's because Biden's stewardship has actually created more jobs in his first 21 months in office than all three of the previous Repub so-called potuses combined (and possibly soon to be all four) while Trump's stewardship resulted in the first time since Repub Herbert Hoover that a so-called president left office with fewer jobs in the country than when he took office.
Or that Biden is dramatically cutting the deficit annually after Trump added billions and billions to it every year with absolutely nothing positive to show for it.
Please, do tell us what it was that Biden did to help Trump get re-elected.
Here are the facts PVM: the FDA will not approve a vaccine if it is less than 50% effective. At first, it was 95% effective, and it went down over time. It was apparent in the Fall of 2021 the vaccine was less than 50% effective. This is when the vaccine should have been pulled. This was Biden's decision and the right thing to do would have been to pull the vaccine and the mandates.
Instead, the bone headed decision was made to give even more vaccines I. E. Boosters. The ultimate example of this failure was Biden himself. He was boosted x 2 giving him 4 vaccines in total, and he got Covid even after blabbing that if you got the vaccine, you could not get Covid. Making matters worse is Fauci, the CEO of Pfizer, and now the head of the CDC all got Covid after saying it was not possible to get it after being vaccinated.
Unlike the other douches here, I want to compliment you on acknowledging the vaccines were no good at some point.
Yes, you reverted to the same old tired douche line about it all being Trump's fault, but there was a small, very small acceptance of fact. That is progress with any of you guys.
I just read an article from Matt Taibbi who did an interview with super Democratic douche Tim Robbins. He had his come to Jesus moment and here are a few quotes.
I realized that we have been programmed in a different way in this country, to think that if someone doesn't get the vaccine, they must be a Nazi.
Throwing your doors open for the public means you throw them open to everybody. And once, no one even thought twice about that. It's the decent thing to do. Then during the pandemic, I heard people saying, "If you didn't take the vaccine and you get sick, you don't have a right to a hospital bed. ".
And I just started thinking, "What about all the junkies?" That's the choice they made, too. It's their own fucking vein. Are we kicking them out? No. You take care of them.
And then there was this howler of a line:
I believe that if the vaccine helps you, that's great. But, I have kind of a hard line on freedom. You can't over-regulate people's lives. I don't know what that makes me, what label that puts on me, but I am an absolutist on freedom.
End of quotes. At this point, I wonder what you names you all will call him.
I am not sure how someone believing mandating shitty vaccines, denying care to sick people, and censoring doctors voicing their opinions equates to freedom, but at least we are seeing a few Dems express regret and acknowledge some responsibility for their actions.
The "everything is Republican's and Trump's fault" douche lines are wearing thin, and it is just a matter of time before the public rejects them. Thing is a lot of people voting Republican may leave Trump behind but not you douches. You cannot quit Trump. Who else do you have to blame if anything else goes wrong?How many Americans do you suppose died from Covid as the result of getting vaccinated and boosted simply because they weirdly latched onto just those few early times Biden and Fauci said "you won't get Covid if you get vaccinated", ignored the hundreds if not thousands of other times scientific reports and statements were made even by Biden and Fauci elaborating that the vaccines were meant to lessen the symptoms, the need for hospitalization and the risk of death from Covid yet they did get vaccinated on that earlier stated premise anyway?
I mean, compared to the likely hundreds of thousands who died from Covid because they went with Trump's nearly year long repeated assurances to the world that "it's disappearing, we've got this under control, it will go away without a vaccine" and therefore they didn't bother to get vaccinated at all?
Which ones do you supppose were more pissed off at themselves for following the lead of which president and scientist?
Was it the people who believed Biden and Fauci's earlier statements but weirdly heard nothing else about it, got vaccinated and, darn it all, tested positive a few months later but only had a stuffy nose and a mild headache for 3 days?
Or was it the people who believed Trump, didn't bother to get vaccinated and, darn it all, tested positive for Covid a few months later only to find themselves in a very expensive private hospital room or Emergency Room with desperately overworked staff shoving a ventilator nozzle in their mouth and an even more desperately overworked priest standing by ready to administer the Last Rites?
I'll go out on a limb and say the latter had to have been more pissed off at themselves for being so stupid.
Meanwhile, Biden and Fauci following the lead of Biden and Fauci got vaccinated, boosted and when they happened to test positive for Covid months later they indeed only suffered little more than symptoms of a common cold, if that.
By contrast, Trump following Trump's lead, mocked and ignored most mitigating measures, wasn't vaccinated and had to be Dumbo Dropped by a helicopter into a hospital with teams of scientists and doctors at the ready to snatch him from death's door with every conceivable treatment and drug still not readily available to most people.
Do you know why there was such a big difference in the reactions for each of those positive test cases, great for Biden and Fauci vs near death for Trump thanks only to the immediate care and extraordinary treatment he received keeping him alive?
Because the vaccines worked.
And exactly how did Biden do that?
Please, do tell us what it was that Biden did to help Trump get re-elected.There are many policies that he implemented that fence-sitting USAns don't like and would vote against him for. For me the most obvious 2 are:
- ruining millions of lives and livelihoods thru the vax mandates;.
- taking the world to war to crashing the global economy.
Because the vaccines worked.Am sure Elvis can defend hisemlf here, but I just want to point out that you are missing the entire point. I for one accept the vaccines helped some at-risk people to live a few years longer. BUt they certainly did not do as they were promoted to do, which was to prevent transmission. They are not even a vaccine for that reason, so much so that they had to try to change the definition of what a vaccine is to incorporate the health-boosters that they were peddling. The global vax mandate policies were built on false or shaky evidence and showuld never have been forced on to society. Most of the world could have gotten along just fine by follwoing the dictates in the Great Barrington Declaration. But that idea was silenced by a captured press and social media. Something I will never forget.
There are many policies that he implemented that fence-sitting USAns don't like and would vote against him for. For me the most obvious 2 are:
- ruining millions of lives and livelihoods thru the vax mandates;.
- taking the world to war to crashing the global economy.Biden has more than recovered the millions upon millions of livelihoods Trump's horrific stewardship that created Trump's Pandemic destroyed.
Biden pulled us out of the war Trump surrendered fully and completely to the Taliban more safely and efficiently than any withdrawal of the losing side from any occupied country in history.
What war are we engaged in now, please?
Trump was the so-called potus who contributed more to crashing the global economy than any world leader ever. Biden is the one who recovered America from Trump's Great Repub Crash in record, historic fashion.
Nobody can even find the USA "recession" that Repubs have been telling us we were in the middle of for the past 21 months. Trump's Fed Chairman appointee can't even artificially induce an iddy bitty one when we might benefit from one because Biden's roaring jobs creating economy is so strong.
For a classic Bothsider you seem fairly worried that Trump might occupy the White House again. Why should it bother you either way? Dem or Repub, they're all the same to you, right?
Recession, Recession, Who's Got The Recession?
The most accurate prediction for when so far has been "someday in the future", which anybody could have accurately predicted at any time in history.
USA Economy seeing a 'mitigation' in growth not a slowdown, says Bank of America CEO.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/28/us-economy-seeing-a-mitigation-in-growth-not-a-slowdown-says-bank-of-america-ceo.html?__source=androidappshare
"Youre seeing a mitigation of the rate of growth, not a slowdown. Not negative growth, Brian Moynihan told CNBC.
Consumers still have strong credit, unemployment is low, wage growth is strong and corporations are still in good shape, he said, though there are recessionary risks.
The Fed will take the funds rate to around 5% and then let it work, Moynihan said.
Am sure Elvis can defend hisemlf here, but I just want to point out that you are missing the entire point. I for one accept the vaccines helped some at-risk people to live a few years longer. BUt they certainly did not do as they were promoted to do, which was to prevent transmission. They are not even a vaccine for that reason, so much so that they had to try to change the definition of what a vaccine is to incorporate the health-boosters that they were peddling. The global vax mandate policies were built on false or shaky evidence and showuld never have been forced on to society. Most of the world could have gotten along just fine by follwoing the dictates in the Great Barrington Declaration. But that idea was silenced by a captured press and social media. Something I will never forget.Widespread Claims Misrepresent Effectiveness of COVID-19 Vaccines
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/scicheck-widespread-claims-misrepresent-effectiveness-of-covid-19-vaccines/
As the virus that causes COVID-19 has evolved, the vaccines have become less effective in preventing symptomatic infection while remaining highly effective in preventing severe disease and death. This shift has been misrepresented by anti-vaccine influencers who falsely claim that it means the vaccines dont work and have been ineffective all along.Uh, that would be you and Elvis, JustTK.
Were you expecting a 100% zero infection rate from the very beginning like no other vaccine created for anything else in history?
The "error" of anyone, Biden, Fauci, anyone not qualifying every statement made about it such as, oh, "The chances of you not getting infected at this very moment is a sad, unfortunate and highly risky 99.999% if you get vaccinated. But it's probably a good idea to get vaccinated anyway. We're just not 100% sure", while hospital beds and rooms were filling up at major hospitals around the country is so minor as to be ridiculous.
The catastrophic error was anyone following Trump's near year long lies about it. The dummies who went with his take on it had every reason to be pissed off at their own stupidity when their not being vaccinated because "It is disappearing, it will go away without a vaccine" put them in a necessarily private hospital room or a casket. And anybody else who needed emergency attention, a bed or a hospital room at that time had every reason to be pissed off at that Trumpster's stupidity too.
By stark contrast, the vast majority who followed Biden and Fauci's lead on it had every reason to congratulate themselves for being so damn smart when the only thing a positive test result led to after getting vaccinated was two aspirin at night and cup of hot tea in the morning for 3-4 days.
Elvis 2008
10-28-22, 16:49
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Elvis 2008
10-28-22, 17:43
Most of the world could have gotten along just fine by follwoing the dictates in the Great Barrington Declaration. But that idea was silenced by a captured press and social media. Something I will never forget.Yeah, the GBD was the smartest piece on Covid written and it was done so early on. We know from Fauci's emails that fucker Fauci and Frances Collins, the head of the NIH, sent emails saying the GBD had to be taken down and with the help of those in the media, it was taken down.
The amazing part is this fucker Fauci funded creation of this virus to begin with. There were two interesting pieces of news. A new paper put the odds out that the virus naturally occurred was one in a million, and the other was these dumb shits at Boston University were playing around with coronavirus mixing up variants to make them more potent and came upon a strain that killed 80% of the mice that had Covid in their study.
It is absolutely fucking amazing who the left wing press holds up as heroes these days. If you are a Democratic douche, you bow and worship James Clapper, Peter Strzok, and now this fucker Fauci.
Believe them.
Add to this; record high jobs creation, rising wages, a 50-year low Unemployment Rate, historic cuts in the deficit and a stock market so stubbornly resistant to falling into even marginal Bear Market territory it took 9 months of Trump-Appointed Fed Chairman dithering and blithering about whether or not to raise funds rates, a massive hurricane and the historically worst month of the year for the stock market, September, to finally inch the S&P 500 Index into it by a small handful of points for a few days.
Poverty and uninsured rates drop, thanks to pandemic-era policies.
September 13, 2022
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/09/13/1122796536/2021-saw-the-child-poverty-rate-drop-to-a-record-low-and-fewer-people-were-unins
Poverty experts attribute much of this improvement to the child tax credit which Congress boosted in 2021 in the American Rescue Plan. Congress also expanded it to include millions more low-income families.
The child tax credit gives families more money to spend on essentials, says Sharon Parrott, who has researched the issue for the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.Key U.S. poverty measure hit record low in 2021 largely due to federal aid.
September 13, 2022
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/key-us-poverty-rate-fell-record-low-2021-census-bureau-says-2022-09-13/
Sept 13 (Reuters) - A key measure of how many Americans lived in poverty in 2021 fell to a record low thanks in large part to federal government assistance measures aimed at supporting households through the COVID-19 pandemic, the Census Bureau said on Tuesday.
The supplemental poverty rate fell to 7.8% in 2021 from an upwardly revised 9.2% in 2020, according to a measure that takes into account government support offered through programs such as food assistance, tax credits and the stimulus checks. That was the lowest rate since the bureau began collecting that data in 2009.Of course, the GOP is champing at the bit to get in there and work their magic to "turn this economy around"!
After all, poor, job-cutting Elon Musk needs the comfort of knowing his useless, disproportionately high, deficit-ballooning Trump / Repub tax cuts will be made permanent.
The amazing part is this fucker Fauci funded creation of this virus to begin with. There were two interesting pieces of news. A new paper put the odds out that the virus naturally occurred was one in a million, and the other was these dumb shits at Boston University were playing around with coronavirus mixing up variants to make them more potent and came upon a strain that killed 80% of the mice that had Covid in their study.
That's quite some droppings, aren't they?
Oh, and I see you've forgotten to link these "new papers" of yours. Come on, I just want to know who's doing this to you.
Am sure Elvis can defend hisemlf here, but I just want to point out that you are missing the entire point. I for one accept the vaccines helped some at-risk people to live a few years longer. BUt they certainly did not do as they were promoted to do, which was to prevent transmission. They are not even a vaccine for that reason, so much so that they had to try to change the definition of what a vaccine is to incorporate the health-boosters that they were peddling. The global vax mandate policies were built on false or shaky evidence and showuld never have been forced on to society. Most of the world could have gotten along just fine by follwoing the dictates in the Great Barrington Declaration. But that idea was silenced by a captured press and social media. Something I will never forget.The only way a vaccine, actually any vaccine can prevent transmission of the virus is by the vaccine being so good as to prevent infection in the first place. This is known as "sterilizing immunity". Sterilizing immunity is virtually impossible to achieve. https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-few-vaccines-prevent-infection-heres-why-thats-not-a-problem-152204.
As to the vaccine's "effectiveness", SARS-CoV-19 mutates rapidly. So rapidly in fact that the initial vaccine becomes less-and-less effective as newer mutations take over. Coupled with the fact that nobody really knows what the rules are to creating a vaccine that provides long-lasting immunity, scientists simply do the best they can. In fact, studies have now shown that the effectiveness of many vaccines is much less long-lived than previously thought. https://www.science.org/content/article/how-long-do-vaccines-last-surprising-answers-may-help-protect-people-longer.
And the "Great Barrington Declaration" is a crock of shit. It relies, primarily, upon "herd immunity" which in itself is a crock of shit. There have been 250+ million cases out of a worldwide population of 7 billion which, if my math is correct, is about 3.5%. And COVID has been active for almost 3 years. You and I will be dead before "herd immunity" is reached. What is more important is that the "Great Barrington Declaration" was completely mum on what public health measures should be taken for the general population. Maybe because things like wearing masks, social distancing, etc would be ignored by members of a certain political party.
Rail all you want about which measures should, and should not, have been taken. Because you are doing so in perfect 20/20 hindsight.
MarquisdeSade1
10-29-22, 19:45
Believe them.
Add to this; record high jobs creation, rising wages, a 50-year low Unemployment Rate, historic cuts in the deficit and a stock market so stubbornly resistant to falling into even marginal Bear Market territory it took 9 months of Trump-Appointed Fed Chairman dithering and blithering about whether or not to raise funds rates, a massive hurricane and the historically worst month of the year for the stock market, September, to finally inch the S&P 500 Index into it by a small handful of points for a few days.
Poverty and uninsured rates drop, thanks to pandemic-era policies.
September 13, 2022
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/09/13/1122796536/2021-saw-the-child-poverty-rate-drop-to-a-record-low-and-fewer-people-were-unins
Key U.S. poverty measure hit record low in 2021 largely due to federal aid.
September 13, 2022.https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/10/29/brooks-a-lot-of-democrats-told-people-you-shouldnt-care-about-inflation-crime/
MarquisdeSade1
10-29-22, 22:24
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/10/26/democrat-declares-woke-war-one-against-russia/
And exactly how did Biden do that?
Was it anything like the same way Biden ... Repub Red States ...Biden and the Dems ...Biden ... Trump ... trump ... Biden's ... Repub ...Trump's ... Repub ... Biden ... Trump ... Biden ... Trump.Listen to you, your like a broken record. All you ever talk about is Biden, Trump, Reps, Dems, the economy. That's it! You don't need to ask me what he has done. The proof is in the pudding. Check out his popularity ratings and ask the majority of the US population that do NOT approve of him. HIs approval is now 42%. Go ask them. If you opened your eyes and ears to anyhitng other than your "Biden, Trump, Reps, Dems, the economy" world, you would see.
Widespread Claims Misrepresent Effectiveness of COVID-19 Vaccines
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/scicheck-widespread-claims-misrepresent-effectiveness-of-covid-19-vaccines/
Total strawman. I enevr said the vaxs don't work at all. They are useful for old and infirm folk. But they are not necessary for anyone else, yet we were all told that they were necessary, otherwise we are endangering the lives of others. Remeber all the lies of "if you don't take this vax, you are the reason why the virus is still around"? That was all built on lies. All the folks that got fired, all the folks that had their businesses destroyed. All based all lies.
BTW Factcheck is another state-bought organisation, just like the media and social media.
And the "Great Barrington Declaration" is a crock of shit. It relies, primarily, upon "herd immunity" which in itself is a crock of shit. There have been 250+ million cases out of a worldwide population of 7 billion which, if my math is correct, is about 3.5%. And COVID has been active for almost 3 years.
Rail all you want about which measures should, and should not, have been taken. Because you are doing so in perfect 20/20 hindsight.You are way off the mark.
The GBD primary focus was on targetted measures. Focussing help on those that needed it, not a blanket guideline for the young, old, healthy and unhealthy.
250 million cases? Haha. Don't make me laugh. Maybe 250 miilion cases in USA.
Nothing to do w hindsight. I said the very same thing right at the start of the pandemic. It was so obvious how it was going to play out. I didn't have to be a prophet or timelord, just note what has happened with all the previous viruses that have arrived thru human history. And of course, keep an open mind to credible scientific recommedations like the GBD.
Total strawman. I enevr said the vaxs don't work at all. They are useful for old and infirm folk. But they are not necessary for anyone else, yet we were all told that they were necessary, otherwise we are endangering the lives of others. Remeber all the lies of "if you don't take this vax, you are the reason why the virus is still around"? That was all built on lies. All the folks that got fired, all the folks that had their businesses destroyed. All based all lies.
BTW Factcheck is another state-bought organisation, just like the media and social media.Your 20-20 Hindsight Revisionist History and total blindspot to the real world realities of a virulently infectious and rapidly transmitted airborne virus tells us much about why you are a pro Repub Bothsider.
Once we knew how rapidly Trump's Pandemic virus transmitted from human to human via particles as fine as aerosol and even though most of the people who might require hospitalization or die from it were fat, old and / or had pre-existing conditions, the smartest thing to do in order to save the lives of more people in America involved mandatory closures, social distancing, mask-wearing and, when available, vaccination.
The power of the state to mandate certain behaviors and, sorry, rankle idiot "My Personal Right To Choose" crusaders and proponents exists precisely for conditions and challenges like Trump's Pandemic virus.
The real world reality is America has a "for profit" healthcare system and, sorry, also has a huge number and percentage of fat, old people with pre-existing conditions. That means there was not an unlimited number of hospitals, private rooms (it's airborne, remember), equipment and staff to deal with, as they legally and ethically must, every fat, old American with a pre-existing condition wheeled through their doors all at once over a 2-3 month period while Trump's Pandemic virus was carried and rapidly spreading and mutating like wildfire by everyone of every age and health condition even if most of the people at risk of serious illness, hospitalization and death were the huge number and percentage of Americans who were, say it with me, fat, old and / or suffering from pre-existing conditions.
See, that would be that high and wide arcing curve on the line graphs produced showing what would happen to the rate of infection without closures, social distancing and mask-wearing until vaccines were invented, tested, field tested, widely available and widely administered.
When or if that curve got higher and wider as it most certainly would have without those mandates, millions more people of every age and health condition would suffer and many more would die.
That includes kids and otherwise healthy, younger people, oh and guess what, even "My Right To Choose" vaccines and mandates crusaders.
A 19 year old motorcycle accident victim, a 45 year old Sudden heart attack patient, the guy who fell off a ladder onto a picket fence, a pot-loaded Bill Maher falling asleep at the wheel, even those who did follow the mandates, would be showing up at hospitals all around the country and greeted by hours or days long queues or might not get treatment at all because fat, old, numbskull Trumpsters and FUX News viewers believed the crap about it being a hoax, "disappearing and going away without a vaccine" were sucking up all the resources already.
In fact, that did happen in many places around the country. But as bad as it was it was not nearly as bad as it would have been if Trump's year long lying about it had bamboozled and sent millions more Americans to hospitals and graveyards than it did along with greater economic destruction.
Sure, the exponentially greater economic destruction and death to follow if that had happened would have made Repubs and pro Repub Bothsiders much, much happier. But it would have been far worse for America.
Listen to you, your like a broken record. All you ever talk about is Biden, Trump, Reps, Dems, the economy. That's it! You don't need to ask me what he has done. The proof is in the pudding. Check out his popularity ratings and ask the majority of the US population that do NOT approve of him. HIs approval is now 42%. Go ask them. If you opened your eyes and ears to anyhitng other than your "Biden, Trump, Reps, Dems, the economy" world, you would see.Biden's Latest 42% Job Approval Similar to Prior Presidents'.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/401633/biden-latest-job-approval-similar-prior-presidents.aspx
Presidential Approval in Historical Context
Biden's current approval rating is roughly in line with the ratings of most of his modern predecessors at the same point in their first terms as president. The timing is significant because it is two months before the midterm congressional elections, which are widely seen as a referendum on the sitting president.
The approval ratings Gallup has recorded for first-term elected presidents in September before the midterms have ranged narrowly between 40% (for Donald Trump) and 45% (for Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama) for all but two presidents since 1978. George H.W. Bush's approval rating in September 1990 was 73%, and his son George W. Bush's rating was 67% in September 2002. The elder Bush's rating rose after the strong U.S. response to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, while the younger Bush's high approval reflected the continuing rally for him after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.Meanwhile, Biden's RCP Job Approval and Favorability Ratings are the highest among any elected leader of either Party, higher than the House, higher than the Senate, higher than the most likely Repub nominee chosen to run against him in 2 years.
Nice try though for a pro Repub Bothsider.
You are way off the mark.
The GBD primary focus was on targetted measures. Focussing help on those that needed it, not a blanket guideline for the young, old, healthy and unhealthy.
250 million cases? Haha. Don't make me laugh. Maybe 250 miilion cases in USA.
Nothing to do w hindsight. I said the very same thing right at the start of the pandemic. It was so obvious how it was going to play out. I didn't have to be a prophet or timelord, just note what has happened with all the previous viruses that have arrived thru human history. And of course, keep an open mind to credible scientific recommedations like the GBD.Here is the "Great Barrington Declaration". I have highlighted all of the times "herd immunity" was mentioned. Herd immunity is a crock.
"The Great Barrington Declaration – As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.
Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.
Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.
Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.
As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – I. E. The point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity.
The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection.
Adopting measures to protect the vulnerable should be the central aim of public health responses to COVID-19. By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside. A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals.
Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity. ".
Note that while the crock of shit "herd immunity" is mentioned frequently, masking and social distancing are not mentioned at all. Not. One. Single. Time.
You are way off the mark.
The GBD primary focus was on targetted measures. Focussing help on those that needed it, not a blanket guideline for the young, old, healthy and unhealthy.
250 million cases? Haha. Don't make me laugh. Maybe 250 miilion cases in USA.
Nothing to do w hindsight. I said the very same thing right at the start of the pandemic. It was so obvious how it was going to play out. I didn't have to be a prophet or timelord, just note what has happened with all the previous viruses that have arrived thru human history. And of course, keep an open mind to credible scientific recommedations like the GBD.Yes, it is 635 million cases. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/.
So 9% of the world's population has been infected (assuming no re-infection) which is still faaaaaar from the 75% or so required for the "herd immunity" that the Great Barrington Declaration crows about. The US has had almost 100 million cases and with a population of 330 million, this is about 30% of the population which is still faaaaaar from herd immunity.
Total strawman. I enevr said the vaxs don't work at all. They are useful for old and infirm folk. But they are not necessary for anyone else, yet we were all told that they were necessary, otherwise we are endangering the lives of others. Remeber all the lies of "if you don't take this vax, you are the reason why the virus is still around"? That was all built on lies. All the folks that got fired, all the folks that had their businesses destroyed. All based all lies.
BTW Factcheck is another state-bought organisation, just like the media and social media.When you really don't have an answer, blame the source. That's what the Moron Brigade and other supporters of Donnie the Dumbass do. Everything is "fake news" unless Donnie the Dumbass or Breitbart, etc says it.
Your 20-20 Hindsight Revisionist History and total blindspot to the real world realities of a virulently infectious and rapidly transmitted airborne virus tells us much about why you are a pro Repub Bothsider.
Once we knew how rapidly Trump's Pandemic virus ...With idiotic tirades like that, I lose all respect for you.
Biden's Latest 42% Job Approval Similar to Prior Presidents'.
Nice try though for a pro Repub Bothsider.1. There you go again. With your pathetic whataboutism. Others were as bad therefore mine is good!
2. There you go with your I"Bothsider" nsults again. You lied before to say it was never supposed to be an insulty when you use it. It's clear that was BS.
1. There you go again. With your pathetic whataboutism. Others were as bad therefore mine is good!
2. There you go with your I"Bothsider" nsults again. You lied before to say it was never supposed to be an insulty when you use it. It's clear that was BS.You cited Biden's 42% Job Approval Rating as evidence that Biden is a failure as a president and therefore apparently "a Trumpster" helping Trump get back into the White House, so far with absolutely nothing to support that contention other than your opinion or feelings.
I pointed out and provided a link unambiguously supporting the fact that Biden's current Job Approval Rating is no worse than all but a couple of other POTUSes at this same point in their presidency. Moreover, those two Repub POTUSes improved their ratings after plunging America into quagmire wars and benefitted from the claim of being a "Wartime President."
Is that what you think Biden ought to have done in order to improve his ratings to those two Repubs' level at this point in his presidency?
So you make a practice of denigrating Biden / Dems even when their performance, results and ratings are no different and arguably far better than their Repub opponents at the ballot box. That is helping Repubs win elections. No other way to characterize it. Similar to the way Mainstream Media help Repubs win elections at these times.
That is pro Repub Bothsiderism. Not sure why being identified as "pro" the side your arguments clearly benefit would be felt as insulting to you.
Lula wins and democracy, get a heartbeat and is resuscitated. Democracy, is alive and well in Brazil, again!
Da Silva wins Brazil presidential election, ends Bolsonaro era for now
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/da-silva-wins-brazil-presidential-election-ends-bolsonaro-era-rcna54650
When you really don't have an answer, blame the source. That's what the Moron Brigade and other supporters of Donnie the Dumbass do. Everything is "fake news" unless Donnie the Dumbass or Breitbart, etc says it.Of course, the way to refute the fully linked and substantiated assertions on Factcheck or any other site that contradicts their carefully cultivated pro Repub position is to take to task the reports on the links. Show, with their own sources with links, where they got it wrong or omitted some overwhelmingly contradictory data.
Which they can't do.
Instead, we're supposed to concede that their utterly unsubstantiated opinion pulled out of their ass is "unbiased" but Factcheck's links of support are biased.
Now some of them are playing the "you're just so unreasonable and mean" sympathy card, hiding behind mommy's skirt, putting people on Ignore and so on in order to make the pain of the truth about their side miraculously disappear and go away like their beloved Trump spent almost a year asserting his Pandemic virus would do without a vaccine but never did.
How dare I keep harping on the topics of Democrats, Republicans, Biden, Trump and how all of it is directly related to the USA economy on a forum entitled "American Politics" when I know darn well how much my citing the verifiable data and record of results hurts their pro Repub feelings! LOL.
MarquisdeSade1
10-31-22, 10:47
https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2022/10/30/cbs-poll-voters-say-democrats-prioritize-migrants-over-americans/?fbclid=IwAR3avNCT58Z7rx367NVN4OvvS_tgLbJM8zUPAYQh8uEhaXO0WuDXlejUC6o
MarquisdeSade1
10-31-22, 10:51
Lula wins and democracy, get a heartbeat and is resuscitated. Democracy, is alive and well in Brazil, again!
Da Silva wins Brazil presidential election, ends Bolsonaro era for now
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/da-silva-wins-brazil-presidential-election-ends-bolsonaro-era-rcna54650 Or was it just more Latin American election fraud that's alive in well, he was supposed to win by 15 points just a few weeks ago?
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/24/world/americas/brazil-election-polls-criminalization.html
When you really don't have an answer, blame the source. That's what the Moron Brigade and other supporters of Donnie the Dumbass do. Everything is "fake news" unless Donnie the Dumbass or Breitbart, etc says it.Factcheck have blocked many true articles and stories bcos they didn't agree with the state narrative.
Classic piece of Dem legislation here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_pZ4XQMQQc
its so reassuring to know that neither of the leaders of the 2 parties of the most powerful nation on Earth cannot count to 3.
Factcheck have blocked many true articles and stories bcos they didn't agree with the state narrative.Attached is just one simple example I came across today. Truly Orwellian thought control.
It is a FB warning on a post that a friend has on his wall. The post is a message about the history of Donbass. We are no longer allowed to think for ourselves, we must simply accept as fACT what our leaders tell us.
Where are the warnings on social media when there is an article that may be influenced by US Govt, or EU, or UK? Obvious why not. Bcos social media is controlled by US Govt and must follow what they say. It's exactly the same w FACTCHECK. They have no more a hold over "facts" than anyone else.
Of course, the way to refute the fully linked and substantiated assertions on FactcheckCheck your facts about Factcheck:
https://unherd.com/2021/11/what-fact-checkers-get-wrong/
Has everyone noticed the media coverage and tv ads leading up to the November election. 95% of all the democrats running for office in 2022 did not invite Biden to campaign for them. Biden is a liability on the campaign trail. Democrats acknowledge that every time Biden speaks it shows he is senile and incompetent. The TV ads now have democrats denouncing Biden agenda. 95% of the democrats are now campaigning on a secure border. Get tough on crime. More police. All the democrats who voted along with Biden on the border issues all say they will go against him if reelected. All the democrats who cut funding and staffing on police forces are now pro police for another week. They lied to get elected in the past and are lying to try to get re-elected again. It won't work in the swing states but it will work in the socialist states like California and parts of New York where the people aren't smart enough to see through the lies. It is going to a great election for America in a week. Democracy will return to USA.
Or was it just more Latin American election fraud that's alive in well, he was supposed to win by 15 points just a few weeks ago?
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/24/world/americas/brazil-election-polls-criminalization.html Yep, I'm sure. A solid win, for Lula and democracy. Lula received more than 60 million votes, the most in Brazilian history.
W/R to your polls, they did get it wrong for ex-Pres. Bozo, but were on-the-money, and got it right with Lula being within +/- 2% of the 50% + 1, need to win.
As I told Tiny 12, polls are nice, but I'll let the results speak for themselves.
Attached is just one simple example I came across today. Truly Orwellian thought control.
It is a FB warning on a post that a friend has on his wall. The post is a message about the history of Donbass. We are no longer allowed to think for ourselves, we must simply accept as fACT what our leaders tell us.
Where are the warnings on social media when there is an article that may be influenced by US Govt, or EU, or UK? Obvious why not. Bcos social media is controlled by US Govt and must follow what they say. It's exactly the same w FACTCHECK. They have no more a hold over "facts" than anyone else.Oh yes. Orwellian. For those who believe that you. S, EU or UK can be compared to Putin's Russia, the land of homicidal maniacs and audacious liars.
Anyone who's not insane, on the other hand, would only appreciate a warning that that the information they're about to consume comes from a company associated with Putin's Russia, the land of homicidal maniacs and audacious liars.
Check your facts about Factcheck:
https://unherd.com/2021/11/what-fact-checkers-get-wrong/Three posts almost in a row about how Factcheck and Fact Checkers just don't have a handle on the facts as well as what you pull out of the air and from where the Sun don't shine. And not one of them contains a single linked source to refute any of the facts cited and fully substantiated in my posts on the topics at hand.
Classic.
Attached is just one simple example I came across today. Truly Orwellian thought control.
It is a FB warning on a post that a friend has on his wall. The post is a message about the history of Donbass. We are no longer allowed to think for ourselves, we must simply accept as fACT what our leaders tell us.
Where are the warnings on social media when there is an article that may be influenced by US Govt, or EU, or UK? Obvious why not. Bcos social media is controlled by US Govt and must follow what they say. It's exactly the same w FACTCHECK. They have no more a hold over "facts" than anyone else.The "history of the Donbas"?
Here's a little history for you. The Donbas (and Crimea) was a part of Ukraine following the collapse of the Soviet Union. That's a fact. When Ukraine was formed in 1991,80-some-odd percent of the Donbas supported independence from Russia. That is also a FACT. When the Budapest Memorandum was signed in 1994, the US, the UK and Russia were prohibited from using military or economic force against Ukraine. That's a fact, too.
Want more facts? Russia invaded sovereign Ukrainian territory when they invaded Crimea in 2014 in contravention of the Budapest Memorandum. When Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, the did so, again, in contravention of the Budapest Memorandum. Those are all facts. You may not like them but they are facts.
The only people who think that "we must follow what our leaders tell us" are the brain-dead supporters of Donnie the Dumbass.
https://www.britannica.com/place/Donbas and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donbas and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum There are hundreds of articles that say the same thing.
Oh yes. Orwellian. ... the information they're about to consume comes from a company associated with Putin's Russia, the land of homicidal maniacs and audacious liars.Only if you have drank the Kool Aid and beleive that your own Govt is any better. History shows clearly that it is not. USA is the most corrupt government there is. That's exactly why they need things like Factcheck to prevent us from thinking otherwise.
Three posts almost in a row about how Factcheck and Fact Checkers just don't have a handle on the facts .... And not one of them contains a single linked source to refute any of the facts cited and fully substantiated in my posts on the topics at hand.
Wht are you talking about? I was writing about Factcheck. Why on Earth would that "refute any of the facts cited and fully substantiated in my posts"?
"Classic. ".
Here's a little history for you. The Donbas (and Crimea) was a part of Ukraine following the collapse of the Soviet Union.
The only people who think that "we must follow what our leaders tell us" are the brain-dead supporters of Donnie the Dumbass.
You really are snagged in your own net of popaganda. Even a post about Facebook, and you have to trurn it in to an attack on Chump. You guys' brains are so warped.
My post said claimed nothing about the accuracy of the article on the history of Donbass. You made that bit up so you could again attack smthg you are comfortable with. The post was about the state censorship of free speech. Attack that please.
Has everyone noticed the media coverage and tv ads leading up to the November election. 95% of all the democrats running for office in 2022 did not invite Biden to campaign for them. Biden is a liability on the campaign trail. Democrats acknowledge that every time Biden speaks it shows he is senile and incompetent. The TV ads now have democrats denouncing Biden agenda. 95% of the democrats are now campaigning on a secure border. Get tough on crime. More police. All the democrats who voted along with Biden on the border issues all say they will go against him if reelected. All the democrats who cut funding and staffing on police forces are now pro police for another week. They lied to get elected in the past and are lying to try to get re-elected again. It won't work in the swing states but it will work in the socialist states like California and parts of New York where the people aren't smart enough to see through the lies. It is going to a great election for America in a week. Democracy will return to USA.So true. Seeing it a lot in Arizona where Kelly is up for re-election in AZ. He voted with Biden 95% of the time. He voted to stop building the wall in Arizona and now the tv ads show him in total support of border security and totally against Biden administration on the border.
Yeah, I get it. Eisenhower was a lucky General, a WWII victory icon and a likeable, Do Nothing Repub POTUS. Hence, his high approval ratings.No "high approval ratings" because of extremely low unemployment rates, super low inflation, and a 45% increase in average income, a big rise in union influence plus a decrease in federal spending as a % of GDP. And the on the ground facts, of Americans enjoying a range of new home appliances while buying second cars and enjoying vacations on a new interstate highway system. Your "Republican good, Democrat bad" dichotomy comes crashing down in the face of your posturing here, even as bad as your reaching back to blame Lincoln for the Civil War. You are a hack hitting two many shots in your budget retirement haven, while Pach of course is an actual, credible historian. Your are even too ignorant to know that the Republican party of the 1860's was an entirely different animal to that of recent times. LOL.
https://millercenter.org/president/eisenhower/domestic-affairs
P.S. We see your regular fallacy, that of the filibuster. You type out War and Peace hoping no one will read all the hogwash.
Elvis 2008
11-02-22, 02:21
The "history of the Donbas"?
Here's a little history for you. The Donbas (and Crimea) was a part of Ukraine following the collapse of the Soviet Union. That's a fact. When Ukraine was formed in 1991,80-some-odd percent of the Donbas supported independence from Russia. That is also a FACT. When the Budapest Memorandum was signed in 1994, the US, the UK and Russia were prohibited from using military or economic force against Ukraine. That's a fact, too.
Want more facts? Russia invaded sovereign Ukrainian territory when they invaded Crimea in 2014 in contravention of the Budapest Memorandum. When Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, the did so, again, in contravention of the Budapest Memorandum. Those are all facts. You may not like them but they are facts.
The only people who think that "we must follow what our leaders tell us" are the brain-dead supporters of Donnie the Dumbass.
https://www.britannica.com/place/Donbas and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donbas and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum There are hundreds of articles that say the same thing.https://www.cc.com/video/8067fc/the-colbert-report-crisis-in-ukraine-gideon-rose
This is literally a 3 minute video on how stupid the Dems have been with Ukraine since back from around 2014. Colbert was joking that we might get "punched in the face" by Russia but he was on target, and you will notice that unlike with Obama, Biden had no problem being confrontational with Putin which of course led to the invasion.
And now, and this is the part I love, the media is saying Russia was unprovoked which is the biggest lie going.
So the real Ukraine issue, just like with energy, is not the binary difference between Trump and Biden but the binary difference between Obama and Biden. Obama was cautious with Putin and kept us out of war and Biden was stupidly confrontational.
This is why these dumb Dems and their false binary vision of the world falls on its face. These Democratic douches cannot handle someone who knows what Obama was doing and saying I support Obama's approach with Ukraine and energy and not Biden's. You have douches like Spidy and Tooms who have one basic defense to this: to lie and name call.
With Spidy, you are a Trumpster. Or if you are the pro-censorship idiot Tooms, you claim that another person is a Trumpster without even knowing it. To them, the Democratic position has always been the same when in fact it has been vastly different between administrations and they are just too fucking stupid to know it.
The funniest recent thing was when the most ultra left of the Dems in Congress just put out an anti-war statement and then ran it back. That is the thing if you want to be a Democratic douche. You have to have a very short memory. Any fact that does not go into your stupid robot like media driven Democratic douche mindset is tossed aside with the phrase "never mind" being uttered.
One literally cannot take these douches seriously anymore. They are suffering from mental illness.
The "history of the Donbas"?
Here's a little history for you. The Donbas (and Crimea) was a part of Ukraine following the collapse of the Soviet Union. That's a fact. When Ukraine was formed in 1991,80-some-odd percent of the Donbas supported independence from Russia. That is also a FACT. When the Budapest Memorandum was signed in 1994, the US, the UK and Russia were prohibited from using military or economic force against Ukraine. That's a fact, too.
Want more facts? Russia invaded sovereign Ukrainian territory when they invaded Crimea in 2014 in contravention of the Budapest Memorandum. When Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, the did so, again, in contravention of the Budapest Memorandum. Those are all facts. You may not like them but they are facts.
The only people who think that "we must follow what our leaders tell us" are the brain-dead supporters of Donnie the Dumbass.
https://www.britannica.com/place/Donbas and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donbas and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum There are hundreds of articles that say the same thing.JustTK's definition of "thinking for himself" obviously involves embracing Kremlin propaganda and like far left hogwash from their buttboy Max Blumenthal. Sucking up to Russia is not exclusive to Tucker Carlson fans, is found on the other side of the spectrum as well.
Lula wins and democracy, get a heartbeat and is resuscitated. Democracy, is alive and well in Brazil, again!
Da Silva wins Brazil presidential election, ends Bolsonaro era for now
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/da-silva-wins-brazil-presidential-election-ends-bolsonaro-era-rcna54650 And his opponents are blocking the roads, screaming about the stolen election, while Bolsonaro refuses to concede.
I wonder where we've seen all that before.
Only if you have drank the Kool Aid and beleive that your own Govt is any better. History shows clearly that it is not. USA is the most corrupt government there is. That's exactly why they need things like Factcheck to prevent us from thinking otherwise.Yes, my government is better than Putin's Russia.
Your government, unless you're simply a Putin's troll, is better than Putin's Russia, too.
There is no country in the world that are more homicidal than Putin's Russia.
There is no big country on planet Earth (and very few small ones) that are more corrupt than Putin's Russia.
Now, go sip some more.
Wht are you talking about? I was writing about Factcheck. Why on Earth would that "refute any of the facts cited and fully substantiated in my posts"?
"Classic.Your latest anti-Factcheck and anti-fact checkers series was in response to my Factcheck link showing how you, Elvis and other anti-vax, Covid response conspiracy proponents misrepresented the facts of what was said and has ever been expected of a vaccine.
You - "BTW Factcheck is another state-bought organization, just like the media and social media."
Remember?
Actually, that would make it at least four posts from you insisting that Factcheck did not provide nearly the accurate substantiation for what they cited in my link to them as what you pull out of your butt with no substantiation at all.
Well, ok, to make it even easier for you to understand what I am talking about, try this:
Give us some fact-based substantiation that refutes the facts cited in the Factcheck link I provided to refute the facts they cited instead of a fifth post about how we should not believe them and should believe what wingers pull out of their butts instead.
Has everyone noticed the media coverage and tv ads leading up to the November election. 95% of all the democrats running for office in 2022 did not invite Biden to campaign for them. Biden is a liability on the campaign trail. Democrats acknowledge that every time Biden speaks it shows he is senile and incompetent. The TV ads now have democrats denouncing Biden agenda. 95% of the democrats are now campaigning on a secure border. Get tough on crime. More police. All the democrats who voted along with Biden on the border issues all say they will go against him if reelected. All the democrats who cut funding and staffing on police forces are now pro police for another week. They lied to get elected in the past and are lying to try to get re-elected again. It won't work in the swing states but it will work in the socialist states like California and parts of New York where the people aren't smart enough to see through the lies. It is going to a great election for America in a week. Democracy will return to USA.More well-funded cops and fewer guns on the street, the preferred popular solution to dealing with Trump's Pandemic, politically-motivated and cop-killing incited crime is the Biden and Dem agenda.
Defunding and putting fewer cops and more guns on the street is the Repub agenda. All of them.
Dems are not shying away from aligning themselves with Biden's well known agenda and legislative accomplishments. In fact, too many Repubs who voted against Biden's historic legislation are ALSO running on the benefits of them! LOL.
And, of course, every Repub in the House voted to Defund the Police:
'Republicans are defunding the police: Fox News anchor stumps congressman
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jun/28/chris-wallace-republicans-defunding-the-police-fox-news-congressman-jim-banks
Chris Wallace quizzes Jim Banks of Indiana on Fox News Sunday
Biden: $350bn in bill opposed by GOP is for law enforcement.Additionally, since all but 2-3 of these particular first midterms for a new presidency since the Civil War (essentially the beginning of the Repub Party) saw losses in Congress for the new presidency's Party, as a matter of long, long time tradition having zero to do with the POTUS' agenda, age, height, weight, hair, "wokeness", transgenders, crime, peace, prosperity, inflation, recession or anything more than simple tradition, why would the candidates in WH's Party want to draw greater attention to their connection to it?
Yeah, yeah, I know; "ADP is a liberal, left-leaning, biased, fake news organization with a pro Dem agenda. ".
Lolol.
Private payrolls up 239,000 in October while wages rose 7.7%, ADP says
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/02/adp-jobs-report-october-2022.html?__source=androidappshare
Companies added 239,000 positions in October, ahead of the Dow Jones estimate of 195,000 and up slightly from the previous month, ADP reported Wednesday.
Most of the gains came from the leisure and hospitality industry, which added 210,000 positions while wages rose 11.2% for the sector.
Wages overall rose 7.7% from a year ago, down just slightly from the September pace.By the way, how are China and Russia doing lately?
Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck, the Dems and everyone who voted for them.
You really are snagged in your own net of popaganda. Even a post about Facebook, and you have to trurn it in to an attack on Chump. You guys' brains are so warped.
My post said claimed nothing about the accuracy of the article on the history of Donbass. You made that bit up so you could again attack smthg you are comfortable with. The post was about the state censorship of free speech. Attack that please.First, I never attacked Donnie the Dumbass. Rather, I attacked the supporters of Donnie the Dumbass. There is (supposedly) a difference.
And if "free speech" is censored, how come I was able to find the articles on the internet? In countries where "free speech" is really censored (North Korea, Iran, Belarus, China, Cuba, etc), the internet is isn't even available.
So true. Seeing it a lot in Arizona where Kelly is up for re-election in AZ. He voted with Biden 95% of the time. He voted to stop building the wall in Arizona and now the tv ads show him in total support of border security and totally against Biden administration on the border.Democrats are bailing on Biden short term just trying to get re-elected after they have totally devastated the country with the democrats open borders policy and the democrats defund the police. Not sure which democrat policy is worse but they definitely have made every American's life worse if they live in USA. Other countries live the fact that democrats have weakened the USA so much in just 2 years. November 8 can't come soon enough.
Elvis 2008
11-02-22, 18:53
Your latest anti-Factcheck and anti-fact checkers series was in response to my Factcheck link showing how you, Elvis and other anti-vax, Covid response conspiracy proponents misrepresented the facts of what was said and has ever been expected of a vaccine.Let us be clear about what the conspiracy was, Tooms. You Democratic douches wanted to blame Trump for Covid, Hell, you and your buddies at the NYT did all they could to label a cold virus a Republican disease. The Trump administration does operation warp speed, and they do get a vaccine, and it is released when Biden is president. At first, it worked pretty good.
Then like all cold virus vaccines, it started failing once the virus mutated. Instead of doing the right thing and pulling the vaccine, Biden doubles down on it, mandates it, and all for the political reason of blaming Republicans. If you get Covid and are not vaccinated, Biden is saying your getting Covid is on you, and all while I was seeing boat loads of people who were vaccinated with Covid, and the vaccine prevention rate plummeted to less than 50%.
So who cares if there were more deaths under Biden than Trump? Biden was saying that the people dying were these stupid anti-science Republican retards.
Fast forward, and all your beloved pro-vaccine blowhard "scientists" got Covid after saying the vaccine prevented their getting Covid. That is not a conspiracy douche. It is what happened.
And oh yeah, they did not have as severe a case as Trump because they got the milder strain of Covid? No, according to you Tooms, they were less sick because they were "science" loving Democrats.
So yeah, I get with your little "good and evil" pea sized binary douche brain Tooms, you cannot compute that I was pro-vax when the vaccine worked and anti-vax when it did not.
Like you with economics and PVM with the vaccine, you douches fall back into arrogance when you do not understand things.
The right wing media AKA the Epoch Times had a field day when Boston University researchers made a Corona virus that killed 80% of the mice that got it. And why wouldn't the Epoch Times do this? Douches like you have been blaming Trump for the pandemic while leaving the Chinse scientists and NIH "scientists" like Fauci who funded them off the hook for creating the fucking virus to begin with.
The shame of it all is BU published is a valuable paper. There is a link to the paper in this article: https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/playing-fire-lab-made-frankenstein-covid-19-virus-boston-university.
What the "vaccine" does is get the body to produce a spike protein similar to what the virus had and that spike protein induces an immune response, yet the vaccine failed because the virus changed the spike protein.
Here is a direct quote from the paper, "The Omicron S (spike protein) -bearing virus robustly escapes vaccine-induced humoral immunity. " How can that be? You said Biden was not sick because he got the vaccine. Where the fuck did you come up with that Tooms? You pull it out of your ass like everything else?
And oh, Trump got sicker because he was not vaccinated. "We generated chimeric recombinant SARS-CoV-2 encoding the S gene of Omicron in the backbone of an ancestral SARS-CoV-2 isolate and compared this virus with the naturally circulating Omicron variant. ".
So BU researchers took Biden's S protein and the other part of the virus, the part Trump had, and mixed the two, and what happened?
"In K18-hACE2 mice, while Omicron causes mild, non-fatal infection, the Omicron S-carrying virus inflicts severe disease with a mortality rate of 80%.
The scary part about this is how easy a virus like this is to make but because of douches like you, Tooms, people do not know about this. You douches think that we cannot have another pandemic because Trump is not in office.
You see what your binary bullshit gets you Tooms? How can you be pro-vax when the vaccine does not work and causes side effects? Just like the market, this is not political but you are so fucking stupid that you made it such.
Maybe you should go play around in the BU lab Tooms. Maybe you, PVM, and Xpartan and all the other dumb as shit pro-vaxxers should put your money where your mouths are this time and go to BU and say they are Trump loving, full of shit anti-vaxxers and expose yourself to this new virus.
You are vaccinated after all. You got nothing to worry about right? If you dumb asses are not willing to do that, then STFU about Covid and the vaccine.
No "high approval ratings" because of extremely low unemployment rates, super low inflation, and a 45% increase in average income, a big rise in union influence plus a decrease in federal spending as a % of GDP. And the on the ground facts, of Americans enjoying a range of new home appliances while buying second cars and enjoying vacations on a new interstate highway system. Your "Republican good, Democrat bad" dichotomy comes crashing down in the face of your posturing here, even as bad as your reaching back to blame Lincoln for the Civil War. You are a hack hitting two many shots in your budget retirement haven, while Pach of course is an actual, credible historian. Your are even too ignorant to know that the Republican party of the 1860's was an entirely different animal to that of recent times. LOL.
https://millercenter.org/president/eisenhower/domestic-affairs
P.S. We see your regular fallacy, that of the filibuster. You type out War and Peace hoping no one will read all the hogwash.Paulie, I destroyed your millercenter link's assessment of Eisenhower's atrocious economy with their own clumsy admission that the USA was in a state of Recession for FIVE of the eight years Eisenhower was in office, including his last year in office, just in time for the usual crap Repub-to-Dem hand-off. And nevermind that 20% of Americans lived in poverty as defined much worse that it is today because, oh well, nobody was paying much attention to those people during the Eisenhower years anyway.
The reason I talk about the economic results of the Dem Party vs the Repub Party is because that is the one agenda that has largely remained intact and unchanged for each Party since the Repub Party was born. Or, rather, since the Whig Party and the Know Nothing Party once again changed its name.
Uh. People who actually know the other historical agendas of each Party don't even have to go as far back as 1860 to point out that those other agendas radically changed. Just going back to 1964/1968 is enough. Or were you too dumb to know that?
However, even as Southern racist bigot voters changed their regional allegiance from Dem to Repub at that time, the general economic agenda of each Party remained the same; Repubs work to produce crap / horrific economic results and Dems work to produce historic, successful recoveries and economic expansion.
There is no country in the world that are more homicidal than Putin's Russia.
There is no big country that are more corrupt than Putin's Russia..I will forgive your ignorant thoughts. No doubt you were educated in the usa. But how can russia be more homicidal? Usa has higher domestic murder rate, murders most civilians in wars, has higher death penalty rates, higher covid deaths. Answer please.
Usa government has the most money in it to buy policy, usa uses international institutions such as imf, wb, nati for its own ends, invades countries that it wants, cuases coups. In what eay ix russia more corrupt?
ChuchoLoco
11-02-22, 23:01
I will forgive your ignorant thoughts. No doubt you were educated in the usa. But how can russia be more homicidal? Usa has higher domestic murder rate, murders most civilians in wars, has higher death penalty rates, higher covid deaths. Answer please.
Usa government has the most money in it to buy policy, usa uses international institutions such as imf, wb, nati for its own ends, invades countries that it wants, cuases coups. In what eay ix russia more corrupt?This is true but the USA is made up of mostly of Europeans at least at one time and it is carrying on the traditions of the Colonial Powers. There really are no good guys and there never has been.
Elvis 2008
11-02-22, 23:21
Yeah, yeah, I know; "ADP is a liberal, left-leaning, biased, fake news organization with a pro Dem agenda. ".Who said that? You hearing voices again?
Private payrolls up 239,000 in October while wages rose 7.7%, ADP says
Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck, the Dems and everyone who voted for them.And how is this good for you? Do you work an entry level job? Are you working the front desk at a Fairfield Inn? I thought you would this uber rich millionaire living it up in Thailand? Or maybe you meant to say you thought you were.
For those of us who do not have voice ringing in our head, there is a thing called supply and demand. Entry level jobs go to 18 to 21 year olds, and this time frame corresponds to the end of the dot com era. When families are hit financially, they have fewer kids and for the next decade or so, there is an undersupply of entry level workers, people who will be 18 to 21. If there are the same number of jobs but fewer workers, those workers can be picky and demand more pay like they have done.
And wage inflation then leads to general inflation, and inflation is the #1 thing the Fed looks at when raising rates. And raising rates leads to your imaginary portfolio of stocks getting crushed. So yes, thanks Nancy and Chuck and everyone who voted Democrat and crushed Tooms' portfolio.
Elvis 2008
11-03-22, 00:28
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/you-murderous-hypocrites-outrage-ensues-after-atlantic-suggests-amnesty-pandemic
The Atlantic has come under fire for suggesting that all the terrible pandemic-era decisions over lockdowns, school closures, masking, and punishing an entire class of people who questioned the efficacy and wisdom of taking a rushed, experimental vaccine. For a virus with a 99% survival rate in most, should all be water under the bridge.
Unlike the douches here, the Atlantic seems to realize they were wrong about Covid and people are still pretty pissed about it. Of course, that is not why I liked the story. I loved this epic response to the Atlantic.
Heysorry you lost your job be / see of the vax that doesn't work and your grandmother died alone and you couldn't have a funeral and your brother's business was needlessly destroyed and your kids have weird heart problemsbut let's just admit we were all wrong and call a truce, eh?
It's too bad we shut the entire economy down & took on tyrannical powers that have never been used before in this countrylooking back, you should have been able to go to church and use public parks while we let people riot in the streetsbut it was a confusing time for everyone.
Hey I'm sorry we scared the hell out of you & lied for years & persecuted & censored anyone who disagreed but there was an election going on & we really wanted to beat Donald Trump so it was important to radically politicize the science even if it destroyed your children's lives.
OK, yes we said unvaccinated people should die & not get healthcare while never questioning Big Pharma once but we are compassionate people which is why even though we shut down the entire economy we also bankrupted the nation & caused inflation. You're welcome! Let's be friends.
That only thing the statement above lacks is a microphone dropping.
I will forgive your ignorant thoughts. No doubt you were educated in the usa. But how can russia be more homicidal? Usa has higher domestic murder rate, murders most civilians in wars, has higher death penalty rates, higher covid deaths. Answer please.
Usa government has the most money in it to buy policy, usa uses international institutions such as imf, wb, nati for its own ends, invades countries that it wants, cuases coups. In what eay ix russia more corrupt?What does covid deaths have to do with Putin's homicidal government?
What does their domestic murder rate have to do with Putin's homicidal government?
What does their death penalty have to do with Putin's homicidal government?
What money to buy policy, what institutions, what in the holy name of fuck are you blubbering about?
What does all that word soup have to do with Putin's homicidal government?
Russia has already murdered over 6,000 thousands innocent Ukrainian civilians including over 400 children (that's only officially confirmed deaths, the actual toll is much higher). The city of Mariupol has been erased from earth, that's an additional tens of thousand deaths we haven't uncovered yet since it's still occupied by the aggressor.
In every place liberated by the AFU, there are dozens of mass graves, there are torture chambers, horrors, ruins, blood.
Who said that? You hearing voices again?
And how is this good for you? Do you work an entry level job? Are you working the front desk at a Fairfield Inn? I thought you would this uber rich millionaire living it up in Thailand? Or maybe you meant to say you thought you were.
For those of us who do not have voice ringing in our head, there is a thing called supply and demand. Entry level jobs go to 18 to 21 year olds, and this time frame corresponds to the end of the dot com era. When families are hit financially, they have fewer kids and for the next decade or so, there is an undersupply of entry level workers, people who will be 18 to 21. If there are the same number of jobs but fewer workers, those workers can be picky and demand more pay like they have done.Oh, I was just preemptively providing the usual No Substantiation Repub / pro Repub Bothsider response to good news about Biden's historic roaring economic recovery. In this case, it was good news that Trump's Pandemic Supply-Chain Destruction Inflation has clearly not been bad enough to prevent classic Dem stewardship from continuing to create plenty of jobs, and higher wage jobs, to reasonably deal with it.
As a USA citizen who pays and does not pride himself in dodging USA taxes, owns rental property in one of the great states that make extraordinarily high contributions to the USA and world economies as well as maintaining a meaningful investment in virtually every industry and public company in America, naturally a solid, growing, expanding Dem economy in historic recovery from the latest Great Repub Crash and Massive Jobs Destruction is "good for me."
My question is, why wouldn't that be good for you and other admitted and wiggly Repubs?
Yes, I know all about wage-triggered inflation. If you don't or can't deal with that then best you always and only vote Dem from now on and tell all of your Inflation-hating friends to do the same. Then Repubs won't be in a position to Crash the USA economy, wipe out millions upon millions of jobs and produce the kind of horrific results that require proven Dem recovery measures that inevitably will produce some notable inflation.
I realize Inflation can be kept low the preferred Repub way; by either producing one or two Great Repub Recessions in a single term or, as in at least one example, produce enough smaller ones to result in the country languishing in a near constant state of Recession for FIVE of a Repub's eight years in office. But my wallet, my portfolio, my rent rolls, my tax dollars' use and my country, the USA, fares much, much better when Dem stewardship produces far superior results than that.
As the above has been proven here time and time again to be the Dem vs Repub results with a multitude of substantiation links to the data, historic and current actual record on the most important economic metrics.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/you-murderous-hypocrites-outrage-ensues-after-atlantic-suggests-amnesty-pandemic
The Atlantic has come under fire for suggesting that all the terrible pandemic-era decisions over lockdowns, school closures, masking, and punishing an entire class of people who questioned the efficacy and wisdom of taking a rushed, experimental vaccine. For a virus with a 99% survival rate in most, should all be water under the bridge.
Unlike the douches here, the Atlantic seems to realize they were wrong about Covid and people are still pretty pissed about it. Of course, that is not why I liked the story. I loved this epic response to the Atlantic.
Heysorry you lost your job be / see of the vax that doesn't work and your grandmother died alone and you couldn't have a funeral and your brother's business was needlessly destroyed and your kids have weird heart problemsbut let's just admit we were all wrong and call a truce, eh?
It's too bad we shut the entire economy down & took on tyrannical powers that have never been used before in this countrylooking back, you should have been able to go to church and use public parks while we let people riot in the streetsbut it was a confusing time for everyone.
Hey I'm sorry we scared the hell out of you & lied for years & persecuted & censored anyone who disagreed but there was an election going on & we really wanted to beat Donald Trump so it was important to radically politicize the science even if it destroyed your children's lives.
OK, yes we said unvaccinated people should die & not get healthcare while never questioning Big Pharma once but we are compassionate people which is why even though we shut down the entire economy we also bankrupted the nation & caused inflation. You're welcome! Let's be friends.
That only thing the statement above lacks is a microphone dropping.I respectfully disagree Elvis. Why not let bygones be bygones. Fauci et al were doing their best. I don't think the scientists and the doctors were involved in a massive political conspiracy. I listened to them, wore my KN95 masks when it made sense, and got vaccinated and boosted. And since the start of COVID I've only had one cold. And it wasn't COVID. My friends who weren't cautious have all had COVID at least once, with varying degrees of severity, from the sniffles to death.
Thank goodness for American Big Pharma and the Trump Administration's Operation Warp Speed, which got the mRNA vaccines out of the labs, through the FDA, and into peoples' arms in record time!
Now if you want to see a real COVID political conspiracy, take a look at this advertisement from the Lincoln Project.
https://youtu.be/HuUX7zRhMKQ
Trump intentionally set out to kill your parents, your neighbors, your friends. And you! He wanted to murder 3 million Americans! Mother f***er!
There are people out there who still believe this crap! And who still say those who didn't get vaccinated shouldn't get medical care for COVID! They're probably the ones who still wear masks outdoors as a sign of their political correctness and moral superiority, but get pissed off when people suggest they stop smoking or wear condoms. There were about 20,000 of them in the college town where I lived during 2020. Well, our COVID mortality rate AT THAT TIME was indeed lower than some places, but the STD infection rate was also among the highest in the country.
Let's begin with a simple fact that the mortality rate is pointless.
Why? Because in February there were 3,000 deaths daily. Today, it's "only" 300+.
Which is why making any kinds of conclusions by the current 1% mortality rate is dumb. The mortality rate is not constant.
The case fatality rate isnt constant: it changes with the context
Sometimes commentators talk about the CFR as if its a single, steady number: an unchanging fact about the disease.
But its not a biological constant; instead, it reflects the situation in a particular context, at a particular time, in a particular population.
The probability that someone dies from a disease doesnt just depend on the disease itself, but also on the treatment they receive, and on the patients own ability to recover from it.
This means that the CFR can decrease or increase over time, as responses change; and it can vary by location and by the characteristics of the infected population, such as age, or sex. For instance, older populations would expect to see a higher CFR from COVID-19 than younger ones.https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid
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There is no such thing as a 1% fatality rate.
Some people are young and healthy. For them, the CFR will be miniscule, much less than 1%.
For older people who are reasonably healthy it'll be higher.
For older but fully vaccinated people it'll lower.
For older people who're not healthy higher.
For old people with systemic diseases the CFR is far above 1%. In May 2022 the mortality of people over 60 years old was 4. 5%. But for the subset of those who are fully vaccinated it'll be lower..
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9125886/
It means, that for Elvis (and me, and most other ISGers, I suspect) the 99% survival rate is a fiction.
And of course, what our enlightened Elvis completely fails to recognize is a thing called long Covid. It's when you ain't dead, but sometimes you wish you were.
Nearly One in Five American Adults Who Have Had COVID-19 Still Have "Long COVID".
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2022/20220622.htm#text=Overall%2 see%201%20 in%2013%20 adults, long%20 COVID%20 than%20 younger%20 adults.
But what the hell. None of that matters as long as they can enjoy throwing shit at the same people who've been keeping them alive.
I respectfully disagree Elvis. Why not let bygones be bygones. Fauci et al were doing their best. I don't think the scientists and the doctors were involved in a massive political conspiracy. I listened to them, wore my KN95 masks when it made sense, and got vaccinated and boosted. And since the start of COVID I've only had one cold. And it wasn't COVID. My friends who weren't cautious have all had COVID at least once, with varying degrees of severity, from the sniffles to death.
Thank goodness for American Big Pharma and the Trump Administration's Operation Warp Speed, which got the mRNA vaccines out of the labs, through the FDA, and into peoples' arms in record time!
Now if you want to see a real COVID political conspiracy, take a look at this advertisement from the Lincoln Project.
https://youtu.be/HuUX7zRhMKQ
Trump intentionally set out to kill your parents, your neighbors, your friends. And you! He wanted to murder 3 million Americans! Mother f***er!.Glad to see at least you are providing some useful substantiation links. Unlike most other pro Repub posters here.
That is an excellent video. And, as we now know after the fact, it was 100% accurate. Don't know how I missed it at the time.
They caught ironclad video evidence of Trump admiting that his "herd mentality / herd immunity" plan would produce millions of deaths vs the vaccines followed by ironclad video evidence of him promoting that very plan.
But where is the "crap" part to which you referred? It isn't about believing anything. It's about seeing and hearing what Trump actually said.
Of course, I could again and again provide the substantiation links showing Trump spending nearly all of critical Trump's Pandenic creation year of 2020 promoting and enacting his plan to kill "millions" by assuring the world that his Pandemic's virus is "disappearing, we've got it under control, it will go away without a vaccine. " A vaccine he sends a loud and clear repeated message that no one should bother inventing or taking.
But that would be overkill in light of your excellent video link showing and proving how he did it in real time.
Thanks for saving me some time. Now, back to choosing which cute 20-22 year old girl I'll allow to come over to pop her legs or mouth open for my load tonight.
Give us some fact-based substantiation that refutes the facts cited in the Factcheck.Here is one example of Factcheck getting it wrong:
https://unherd.com/2021/05/how-facebook-censored-the-lab-leak-theory/
The buried the lab leak theory, the buried the Great Barrington Declaration. YT is still censoring anything and anyone that says the vaxes don't help reduce transmission.
Now you're playing dumb, I see!
What does covid deaths have to do with Putin's homicidal government?
What does their domestic murder rate have to do with Putin's homicidal government?
What does their death penalty have to do with Putin's homicidal government?
What does all that word soup have to do with Putin's homicidal government?
Not at all. It appears you do not understand what homicide is. Or you are only counting the homicides from one country, whiich is obviously ridiculous. 300.000 registered violent deaths alone in Iraq, caused by USA illegal war. https://www.iraqbodycount.org/.
"What does it have to do with Putin's homicidal government?" - nothing directly, You claimed Russia was the most homicidal. I have given plain evidence that is total BS. Even if you just count war, which is only one slice of the cake.
First, I never attacked Donnie the Dumbass. Rather, I attacked the supporters of Donnie the Dumbass. There is (supposedly) a difference.
And if "free speech" is censored, how come I was able to find the articles on the internet? In countries where "free speech" is really censored (North Korea, Iran, Belarus, China, Cuba, etc), the internet is isn't even available.Calling someone a dumb ass is not an attack? Of course it is.
There is more than one way to censor free speech. Search algoryhtms, factchecks, content warnings, deleting of accounts, de-monitarising accounts, burying of stories, control of media, obsequious media, control of social media, straight up banning of news channels. All this censorship is ok? You just don't like it when other countries do it.
This is true but the USA is made up of mostly of Europeans at least at one time and it is carrying on the traditions of the Colonial Powers. There really are no good guys and there never has been.Right. But I advocate for a better world in which good guys can exist. As it stands, they are murdered or overthrown bcos they stand in the way of exploitation. There are and have been a few, but few and far in between. Mujeca is the best example I can think of right now. Lead Uruguay t obe the best country in South America. Based on many criteria. Although most USAns seem to think that the economy is the only factor worth considering / discussing.
Elvis 2008
11-03-22, 16:07
It means, that for Elvis (and me, and most other ISGers, I suspect) the 99% survival rate is a fiction.The fiction is anyone dying from Covid and that lockdowns that saved them. Tell me genius. How do people theoretically die from Covid and how do you distinguish it from other causes?
And of course, what our enlightened Elvis completely fails to recognize is a thing called long Covid. It's when you ain't dead, but sometimes you wish you were.Just like you dumb lefties pillared Dr. Malone, who went on Joe Rogan's show and was labeled an antivaxxer, I was vaccinated and probably got Covid and long Covid after. Unlike him, my tests were negative. Obviously, you did not have it, or you wouldn't have made such a dumb comment about long Covid.
Long Covid is annoyance not a death wish dummy. I had a lousy cough, energy was down, and had a type of brain fog for 3 months, but I did not miss a day of work with it. My mother currently has the exact same symptoms I had right now and has also tested negative, and I have talked to dozens of people who say the same thing.
Thing about the cough is I tried tessalon perles for it, and they did not work like they so often do. I was in Colombia and asked the pharmacist about cough medicine. He gave me a gallon jug of cough syrup with codeine in it without my having a prescription, and that did work for the cough.
As for you Democratic douches caring about Covid, give me a break. You cared about being good slaves to the government.
House arrest: Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Democratic voters would favor a government policy requiring that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times, except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.
Imprisonment for questioning the vaccine: Nearly half (48%) of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications.
Forced quarantine: Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.
Stripping people of their children: Twenty-nine percent (29%) of Democratic voters would support temporarily removing parents' custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine. That's much more than twice the level of support in the rest of the electorate seven percent (7%) of Republicans and 11% of unaffiliated voters for such a policy.
And the worst of all this is the vaccine stopped working in later summer, early fall of 2021. Yeah, douche, you guys are really compassionate.
Calling someone a dumb ass is not an attack? Of course it is.
There is more than one way to censor free speech. Search algoryhtms, factchecks, content warnings, deleting of accounts, de-monitarising accounts, burying of stories, control of media, obsequious media, control of social media, straight up banning of news channels. All this censorship is ok? You just don't like it when other countries do it.FYI, Donnie the Dumbass was called "the dumbest student I ever taught" by one of his teachers. If that doesn't say "dumbass", I don't know what does.
So according to you, the only way to get "uncensored" free speech is how? By reading blogs? Is FUX Snooze obsequious? Or just left-leaning sources? If Truth Social deletes my account, is that bad? Or is it only bad if Twitter bans me?
ChuchoLoco
11-03-22, 16:22
Right. But I advocate for a better world in which good guys can exist. As it stands, they are murdered or overthrown bcos they stand in the way of exploitation. There are and have been a few, but few and far in between. Mujeca is the best example I can think of right now. Lead Uruguay t obe the best country in South America. Based on many criteria. Although most USAns seem to think that the economy is the only factor worth considering / discussing.I have been thinking about Uruguay for about 10 years now. From what I've read it does seem like an awesome place. It's just so far to get to. Have you been there? It would be great to hear a first hand review. But like most countries, they had an evil past. No indigenous left and years of right wing military governments But that is all over now and it seems to be an incredibly progressive country. What all countries should strive for. It was very inexpensive a few years ago but I have heard that is no longer the case. I should just go find out for myself.
P.S. The Rio Plata area it shares with Argentina has a distinctive dialect. Caballo is pronounced cabasho. Just a fun fact.
Agree on what you say. Just wanted to point out what I did. Paz.
Elvis 2008
11-03-22, 17:30
I respectfully disagree Elvis. Why not let bygones be bygones. I don't think the scientists and the doctors were involved in a massive political conspiracy. I listened to them, wore my KN95 masks when it made sense, and got vaccinated and boosted. And since the start of COVID I've only had one cold. And it wasn't COVID.It is great that you were not hurt Tiny but what about the people who were? Do you have a child two years behind where they should be academically? Have you talked to people who were forced to get the vaccine and harmed by it? How about the people who were forced to get it even though they have natural immunity? Why was that decision made and and who made it?
As for listening, you are not wearing a mask right now right? Why have you stopped? Covid is still around and people are allegedly still dying from it every day. If that has not changed, then why have you stopped wearing one? Because the government told you not to? Why did they do that, science or politics? And by the way, Biden has kept us under emergency rule even now because of Covid after he publicly declared the pandemic over.
And as of now, you still have all these Democratic douches who believe their stupid shit worked versus the virus just running its course. Lockdowns, social distancing, and hand sanitizers were a complete fucking joke. All these were worthless. Given that masks might work, I think you would be a fool not to wear one around someone with Covid. OTOH, wearing them outside is moronic and at the supermarket makes no sense either. Enclosed in a bus or subway with poor ventilation may have made sense but that is about it. Too often wearing masks and getting the vaccine (after the summer of 2021) was not helpful in preventing disease but a sign you were compliant with government.
The emphasis should have been on isolating sick people and treating them versus restricting well people. I will never understand why the monoclonal antibodies, which worked so well, were an afterthought with Covid and the vaccines, which did not work shortly after they were developed, were the end all be all. Steroids and blood thinners were used and were effective as well. Honestly, Tiny, I do not know if anyone really died of pure Covid who was not put on a ventilator.
And there are warehouses full of ventilators that taxpayers paid billions for. How did that happen? I get your saying, "Well, the people who made that decision were trying to do their best. " How do you know that when you do not even know who made that decision and why they did?
The Great Barrington Declaration outlined how we should have treated the virus, and the Dems here have stupidly and wrongly put it down. Fauci and Collins used taxpayer resources and even admitted to using the media "to take it down". Why was it "taken down"? It is pretty obvious to me that Fauci and Collins took them down because they did not want anyone else but them to lead the war against Covid.
And speaking of Fauci, he was appointed God by the Democratic media as a foil to Trump. Yeah, Trump said a lot of dumb things and should have been on top of the virus spreading much more quickly than he was, but I know now it did not matter in the end. Hell, Biden's response and Trump's were indistinguishable outside of the Democrats talking a bigger game (I. E. Being bigger assholes). To this day, the dumb Dems think they can change the earth's climate and cure a cold virus.
With Fauci, you should listen to the podcast of Josh Rogin on Joe Rogan's show. He is a Democrat and gives an even handed non partisan critique of Fauci. But honestly, it made me sick.
And the war on opioids is still ongoing. Once again, the government stuck its beak in the patient's room and demands that it be the only voice listened to and the end result like with Covid was a disaster. Read this article and tell me the war on opioids was not a PR campaign fabricated by the DEA, https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/treating-doctors-drug-dealers-deas-war-prescription-painkillers..
IMO Fauci planned seizing power, money, and influence if a horrible outbreak occurred. Josh Rogin makes that point that Fauci's zeal to cure a future pandemic may have inadvertently caused this whole pandemic to begin with. What I liked about Rogin is he never came out and said Fauci was bad but he sure left you a bread trail to that fact.
Elvis 2008
11-03-22, 17:51
Paulie, I destroyed your millercenter link's assessment of Eisenhower's atrocious economy with their own clumsy admission that the USA was in a state of Recession for FIVE of the eight years Eisenhower was in office, including his last year in office, just in time for the usual crap Repub-to-Dem hand-off. And nevermind that 20% of Americans lived in poverty as defined much worse that it is today because, oh well, nobody was paying much attention to those people during the Eisenhower years anyway.
Yeah, Tooms, that bottom 20% were living it up in the depression and during WW2 and the Korean War. Your bird brained binary view of the world neglects to mention that all the major wars fought in the 20th Century happened when Democrats were in control.
And the most celebrated decades of the 20th century were the 20's, 50's, and 80's, all under Republican rule.
And your beloved JFK and LBJ dragged us into Vietnam destroying the 50's good vibe and pushed us to a type of civil war in the 60's. I do not blame WW1, WW2, and the Korean War on the Democrat presidents but given your definition of the rules, I should.
Still, Vietnam was definitely on LBJ and lesser so with JFK. You miss the fact that Eisenhower avoided war, and his administration largely was a time of peace.
And who said you took down Paulie? Those voices in your head at it again? I hope Fairfield Inn has a good health plan.
Not at all. It appears you do not understand what homicide is. Or you are only counting the homicides from one country, whiich is obviously ridiculous. 300.000 registered violent deaths alone in Iraq, caused by USA illegal war. https://www.iraqbodycount.org/.
"What does it have to do with Putin's homicidal government?" - nothing directly, You claimed Russia was the most homicidal. I have given plain evidence that is total BS. Even if you just count war, which is only one slice of the cake.A homicidal government is a government that commits premeditated murders.
Which is why the Russian government is the most homicidal government in the world.
Comparing Putin's war in Ukraine with Iraq is an outrageous falsehood. In Ukraine, Russia strategically and deliberately murders civilians. I'm not even talking about loss of life among military personal both Russian and Ukrainian due to Putin's war of choice.
Deaths in Iraq, as tragic as they are, were a result of unintended consequences -- the civil war that killed hundreds of thousands of people. America didn't do the killings.
While in Ukraine, it's Russia that directly does the killings.
No one is dense enough not to understand this.
Which begs the question what kind of sick game you're playing here.
The fiction is anyone dying from Covid and that lockdowns that saved them. Tell me genius. How do people theoretically die from Covid and how do you distinguish it from other causes?I have no idea Elvis. I guess we'd have to ask 1. 07 million dead Americans who have died from Covid how they died from Covid, but I'm afraid we can't.
Trained medical professionals how they know whether or not you have Covid, and they will be able to give you an answer.
The problem is you won't ac.
Ever since the powers that be decided to moderate my posts, it's become impossible to edit anything if you accidentally hit "upload". I don't remember where I stopped typing, sorry about that.
House arrest: Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Democratic voters would favor a government policy requiring that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times, except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.
Imprisonment for questioning the vaccine: Nearly half (48%) of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications.
Forced quarantine: Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.
Stripping people of their children: Twenty-nine percent (29%) of Democratic voters would support temporarily removing parents' custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine. That's much more than twice the level of support in the rest of the electorate seven percent (7%) of Republicans and 11% of unaffiliated voters for such a policy.That's insane! And what difference does it make? Everyone has had COVID and or gotten vaccinated. Some in the scientific and medical communities believe infection provides better immunity than vaccination. Who's better protected, someone who got the two initial shots back in March, 2021 and a booster six months later? Or someone who was never vaccinated but had COVID, the disease, recently? I'd argue probably the later.
Now maybe a vaccine requirement makes sense for some health care workers. But vaccination requirements in November, 2022, are just an attempt to enforce political correctness and achieve a sense of moral superiority.
If a person wants to reduce his chances of getting severe COVID, he can get vaccinated and boosted and wear an N95 or KN95 mask when appropriate, in crowded indoor settings for example. That's what I do. I don't go around telling other people they need to do the same thing.
It is great that you were not hurt Tiny but what about the people who were? Do you have a child two years behind where they should be academically? Have you talked to people who were forced to get the vaccine and harmed by it? How about the people who were forced to get it even though they have natural immunity? Why was that decision made and and who made it?
As for listening, you are not wearing a mask right now right? Why have you stopped? Covid is still around and people are allegedly still dying from it every day. If that has not changed, then why have you stopped wearing one? Because the government told you not to? Why did they do that, science or politics? And by the way, Biden has kept us under emergency rule even now because of Covid after he publicly declared the pandemic over.
And as of now, you still have all these Democratic douches who believe their stupid shit worked versus the virus just running its course. Lockdowns, social distancing, and hand sanitizers were a complete fucking joke. All these were worthless. Given that masks might work, I think you would be a fool not to wear one around someone with Covid. OTOH, wearing them outside is moronic and at the supermarket makes no sense either. Enclosed in a bus or subway with poor ventilation may have made sense but that is about it. Too often wearing masks and getting the vaccine (after the summer of 2021) was not helpful in preventing disease but a sign you were compliant with government.
The emphasis should have been on isolating sick people and treating them versus restricting well people. I will never understand why the monoclonal antibodies, which worked so well, were an afterthought with Covid and the vaccines, which did not work shortly after they were developed, were the end all be all. Steroids and blood thinners were used and were effective as well. Honestly, Tiny, I do not know if anyone really died of pure Covid who was not put on a ventilator.
And there are warehouses full of ventilators that taxpayers paid billions for. How did that happen? I get your saying, "Well, the people who made that decision were trying to do their best. " How do you know that when you do not even know who made that decision and why they did?
The Great Barrington Declaration outlined how we should have treated the virus, and the Dems here have stupidly and wrongly put it down. Fauci and Collins used taxpayer resources and even admitted to using the media "to take it down". Why was it "taken down"? It is pretty obvious to me that Fauci and Collins took them down because they did not want anyone else but them to lead the war against Covid.
And speaking of Fauci, he was appointed God by the Democratic media as a foil to Trump. Yeah, Trump said a lot of dumb things and should have been on top of the virus spreading much more quickly than he was, but I know now it did not matter in the end. Hell, Biden's response and Trump's were indistinguishable outside of the Democrats talking a bigger game (I. E. Being bigger assholes). To this day, the dumb Dems think they can change the earth's climate and cure a cold virus.
With Fauci, you should listen to the podcast of Josh Rogin on Joe Rogan's show. He is a Democrat and gives an even handed non partisan critique of Fauci. But honestly, it made me sick.
And the war on opioids is still ongoing. Once again, the government stuck its beak in the patient's room and demands that it be the only voice listened to and the end result like with Covid was a disaster. Read this article and tell me the war on opioids was not a PR campaign fabricated by the DEA, https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/treating-doctors-drug-dealers-deas-war-prescription-painkillers..
IMO Fauci planned seizing power, money, and influence if a horrible outbreak occurred. Josh Rogin makes that point that Fauci's zeal to cure a future pandemic may have inadvertently caused this whole pandemic to begin with. What I liked about Rogin is he never came out and said Fauci was bad but he sure left you a bread trail to that fact.Actually Elvis, a woman who I went to junior high with probably died because of the COVID vaccine, or that's what her doctors think. I believe it's a numbers game, and if you're over 50, you may be about 100X better off getting vaccinated than not. Put another way, I believe the chances of dying from COVID are over 100X greater than dying from a couple of COVID shots. Maybe less though if you're really old and infirm. And I believe the COVID vaccination provides good protection against hospitalization and death.
I've had a stockpile of N95 masks since 2005, after SARS. I kept them alongside my stockpiles of canned food, water, and ammo. The masks came in useful in the first half of 2020. Like I mentioned, I've only had one cold since the start of COVID. I used to have 2 or 3 a year. I'd keep using masks from time to time even if COVID disappeared from the face of the earth, as I believe they help prevent the flu too. I suspect the COVID vaccine may provide some protection against other coronaviruses, including the ones that cause the common cold.
And finally, since I have a large nose, N95 masks make me more appealing to women. My typical outfit when trolling bars is a mask, aviator goggles, a sleeveless T-shirt and Bermuda shorts. Women can't resist that!
I will forgive your ignorant thoughts. No doubt you were educated in the usa. But how can russia be more homicidal? Usa has higher domestic murder rate, murders most civilians in wars, has higher death penalty rates, higher covid deaths. Answer please.
Usa government has the most money in it to buy policy, usa uses international institutions such as imf, wb, nati for its own ends, invades countries that it wants, cuases coups. In what eay ix russia more corrupt?You've got some good points. I'm not sure I agree about the IMF and the World Bank. Those two institutions have helped out a lot of poor countries. Although, yeah, there's been corruption with World Bank programs in particular.
So according to you, the only way to get "uncensored" free speech is how? By reading blogs? Is FUX Snooze obsequious? Or just left-leaning sources? If Truth Social deletes my account, is that bad? Or is it only bad if Twitter bans me?I didn't say anything about there being an "only way".
Fox News is part of the collaborative authoritarian control over media, for sure. Not sure why you believe I would think it otherwise. The rest of your comment, I didn't understand.
The Atlantic has come under fire for suggesting that all the terrible pandemic-era decisions over lockdowns, school closures, masking, and punishing an entire class of people who questioned the efficacy and wisdom of taking a rushed, experimental vaccine. For a virus with a 99% survival rate in most, should all be water under the bridge.By the way Elvis, your 99% survival rate is almost certainly low. At one time it wasn't a bad estimate. But now the infection fatality rate for the USA as a whole, all age groups combined, would have to be less than 1%. Everyone has at least some immunity, from vaccination and previous disease. And the dominant variants are less lethal than what we had before.
I was pretty darn happy to get that rushed, experimental vaccine. Thank you Donald Trump for getting it through the FDA so quickly!
I have been thinking about Uruguay for about 10 years now. From what I've read it does seem like an awesome place. It's just so far to get to. Have you been there? It would be great to hear a first hand review. But like most countries, they had an evil past. No indigenous left and years of right wing military governments But that is all over now.
No, never been. Just followed the story of Mujica thru various news outlets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFSmaztcP4c (an excellent short docu if you have the time).
Not only an admirable character for his frugal liefstyle, but also for his global outlook on the big issues.
Yeah, I hear that the treatment of the negros by the blancos in the wars of liberation for Argentina and Uruguay is why the word 'cannon fodder' was invented. They sent all the negors out in the front line to take the onslught from the Spanish imperialists. Thats why those 2 countries have very few negros now, unlike other South America countries.
I would like to visit there myself too, but being a vegan, I don't think the local diet will best serve me. Hehe. Doesn't it have more cows per capita than any other country in the world?
Deaths in Iraq, as tragic as they are, were a result of unintended consequences -- the civil war that killed hundreds of thousands of people. America didn't do the killings.
While in Ukraine, it's Russia that directly does the killings.
.You are so blind, its not worth having a discussion w you.
And finally, since I have a large nose, N95 masks make me more appealing to women. My typical outfit when trolling bars is a mask, aviator goggles, a sleeveless T-shirt and Bermuda shorts. Women can't resist that!Ah, I knew that I had seen you some place before! Your not on of those that needs DFK.
Haha.
You've got some good points. I'm not sure I agree about the IMF and the World Bank. Those two institutions have helped out a lot of poor countries. Although, yeah, there's been corruption with World Bank programs in particular.Access to funds is often conditional upon actions aligned w USA strategy. You can't be an "enemy" of the USA and still get access to funding.
And mostly funds are tied to preconditions such as speniding those same funds on develpments managed, staffed and powered, you guessed it, by USA companies.
ChuchoLoco
11-04-22, 01:17
Access to funds is often conditional upon actions aligned w USA strategy. You can't be an "enemy" of the USA and still get access to funding.
And mostly funds are tied to preconditions such as speniding those same funds on develpments managed, staffed and powered, you guessed it, by USA companies.So true again and for those that are not familiar with the term, it is called Neo Colonialism. A couple good books by a guy who calls himself the Economic Hitman. John Perkins. Just look at Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua in Latin America.
You are so blind, its not worth having a discussion w you.Says every man in the world who has lost an argument.
Here is one example of Factcheck getting it wrong:
https://unherd.com/2021/05/how-facebook-censored-the-lab-leak-theory/
The buried the lab leak theory, the buried the Great Barrington Declaration. YT is still censoring anything and anyone that says the vaxes don't help reduce transmission.I couldn't read your link because it was blocked by a subscription / registration required pop up. It appeared to be something about Facebook. And you referenced YouTube.
What about refuting the facts cited on that particular Factcheck link I posted, the one that triggered a series of posts insisting we shouldn't believe what we read on Factcheck or produced by other fact checkers?
In Trump's own words:
Bob Woodward Was Stunned By What Trump Told Young Son Barron About Coronavirus.
Oct. 25, 2022
https://news.yahoo.com/bob-woodward-stunned-trump-told-091902598.html
Talking to Woodward on March 19, 2020, Trump said Barron, then 13, asked what was going on and he answered: I said, it came out of China, Barron. Pure and simple. It came out of China. And it shouldve been stopped. And to be honest with you, Barron, they shouldve let it be known it was a problem two months earlier ... the world wouldnt have a problem. We could have stopped it easily.Trump says China should have told us about coronavirus. He removed the official meant to do that.
A US epidemiologist was embedded with the Chinese CDC. The Trump administration discontinued the position.
March 23, 2020
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/23/21190713/coronavirus-trump-china-cdc-embed-quick
President Donald Trump loves to blame China for the coronavirus pandemic, but new information surfaced over the weekend that the administration eliminated a position last July that potentially could have helped the US get an earlier jump on a response to the crisis, suggesting the president may need to place blame a little closer to home.
The Trump administration told the United States embed at the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that the position would be defunded, causing her to leave her post in July 2019, according to a report from Reuterss Marisa Taylor. The embed helped train Chinese public health experts and served in part as a liaison between Chinese officials and their counterparts in the US.
With the administration planning to discontinue the role, the embed return to the US about five months before China began to see its first Covid-19 cases. Under normal circumstances, the embed likely would have passed information about the novel virus to US officials. Instead, Chinese officials were able for weeks to conceal the virus and the threat it posed, leading to a delay in the worlds response to what was then a matter of great concern and is now a pandemic.Hence, "Trump's Pandemic" and the millions of deaths, the global economic and supply-chain collapse, the massive job losses, the current hyper-inflation, everything that resulted from Trump's disastrous economi decisions, his horrific economic stewardship and his criminal negligence of National Security. Problem is, any Repub would have made exactly those same disastrous decisions. That's what they do for a living.
Even Trump admitted "the world wouldn't have a problem. We could have stopped it easily," had it not been for Trump and his disastrous decisions going back long before 2020.
It is great that you were not hurt Tiny but what about the people who were? Do you have a child two years behind where they should be academically? Have you talked to people who were forced to get the vaccine and harmed by it? How about the people who were forced to get it even though they have natural immunity? Why was that decision made and and who made it?
As for listening, you are not wearing a mask right now right? Why have you stopped? Covid is still around and people are allegedly still dying from it every day. If that has not changed, then why have you stopped wearing one? Because the government told you not to? Why did they do that, science or politics? And by the way, Biden has kept us under emergency rule even now because of Covid after he publicly declared the pandemic over.
And as of now, you still have all these Democratic douches who believe their stupid shit worked versus the virus just running its course. Lockdowns, social distancing, and hand sanitizers were a complete fucking joke. All these were worthless. Given that masks might work, I think you would be a fool not to wear one around someone with Covid. OTOH, wearing them outside is moronic and at the supermarket makes no sense either. Enclosed in a bus or subway with poor ventilation may have made sense but that is about it. Too often wearing masks and getting the vaccine (after the summer of 2021) was not helpful in preventing disease but a sign you were compliant with government..Again with the "Great Barrington Declaration"?
That worthless piece-of-trash "declaration" mentioned herd immunity no less than 5 times. And every reputable virologist / public health official has said that "herd immunity" is absolutely unattainable with COVID. There have been about 640,000 cases of COVID worldwide in the almost 3 years since the pandemic began. There are about 7 million people in the world. Even if the number of cases have been understated by half, that's still a 20% infection rate, far less than the 80% required for "herd immunity".
A "cold virus"? Really? You can't be that ignorant to believe that SARS-CoV-2 is a rhinovirus (the virus that causes most colds). It isn't. I could cite medical articles that say that SARS-CoV-2 is not a rhinovirus but you wouldn't believe them.
"Died of pure COVID"? Ahhhh yes, the old standby of the Moron Brigade. You doofuses believe that anybody who had a PEC (even a hangnail) and COVID died of the PEC and not COVID.
Real MPs speak out about NATO terrorism and the hypocrisy of the USA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-eGslPCto0
Imagine if other MPs around the world and especially in the USA showed this kind of courage and honesty!! The world would be a much better place. This is what 'American Politics' should be about. Not endless Biden / Trump / economy name calling.
It appeared to be something about Facebook. And you referenced YouTube.
What about refuting the facts cited on that particular Factcheck link I posted, the one that triggered a series of posts insisting we shouldn't believe what we read on Factcheck or produced by other fact checkers?I didn't realise you were asking about a specific fact. Which one was it? Or was it about Youtube in general? Youtube, where videos carry warnings and accounts are blocked if a content creator tells the truth that COVID vaxes do not help prevent the transmission of the virus?
Elvis 2008
11-04-22, 17:54
Trained medical professionals how they know whether or not you have Covid, and they will be able to give you an answer.No, trained medical professionals say that people die with Covid or had Covid related deaths. The media and some members of government change died WITH Covid to died FROM Covid and idiots like you lap it up. For those of us who actually use our brain, there is a huge difference between correlation and causation.
Covid induces the immune system to cause blood clots (as does the vaccine). So if someone with Covid does die of a blood clot in the lungs, I have no problem with calling that a Covid related death. What bugs me is someone like you or the media coming along and saying lockdowns could have saved that person because clots are also caused when the blood is not circulating, I. E. When people are not moving. If someone is sitting on his ass watching TV and not moving due to a lockdown, that is a risk for blood clots too.
I have no idea Elvis.So I imply you are ignorant, and you admit it. Xpartan, JustTK is right. Why have a discussion with someone who I suspected and now admits to being ignorant? When I ask you how people die of Covid, are you really so stupid as to not look it up?
And I know what you are going to do with the information I gave you above which is nothing. In your pea brain mind, what I said is not objective information. You will just wave it away with a hand, "Eh, that is just Elvis. ".
Do YOU have a medical professional who says person X died from Covid and here is why? Hell, you already admitted you do not and what is worse is, you imagine that all these professionals are on your side. So the reality is that you think everyone else is crazy while YOU are the one who is delusional. You are just allied with people as ignorant as you are.
Was not Trump.
Yep, even before he created Trump's Pandemic with economic decisions that led directly to him leaving office with 3. 1 million fewer jobs in America than the day he took office, Trump was a weak job-creating so-called potus compared to any Dem, especially Biden.
And that is even with the horrific economic headwinds Trump left behind for Biden to deal with and overcome.
U.S. payrolls surged by 261,000 in October, better than expected as hiring remains strong
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/04/jobs-report-october-2022-.html?__source=androidappshare
Even with the reduced pace, job growth has been well ahead of its pre-pandemic level, in which monthly payroll growth averaged 164,000 in 2019.'I will be the greatest jobs president that God has ever created: Trump.
June 16, 2015
https://nypost.com/2015/06/16/i-will-be-the-greatest-jobs-president-that-god-ever-created-trump/
LOL. This one is particularly good for a laugh coming from Mr. Infrastructure Week X Four Do Nothing Years:
Trump vows 25 million jobs, most of any president.
January 20, 2017
https://money.cnn.com/2017/01/20/news/economy/donald-trump-jobs-wages/index.html
The only specifics he mentioned in his inaugural address were building new highways, bridges, railways and airports "all across our wonderful nation."
Trump has outlined the rest of his plan on his website and during the campaign. In addition to infrastructure spending, he wants a massive tax cut for businesses and individuals, a rollback of regulations and renegotiating trade deals and actions, especially with China and Mexico.Well, Sleepy Joe Brandon sure kicked Trump's butt on that one too.
It is astonishing how dumb people are who fall for typically pro-Repub MSM's spin that "Republicans handle the economy better than Democrats" and that the topic of the economy favors Trump-aligned Repub candidates this time around. Or that it ever ought to favor Repubs without MSM's herculean efforts to spin it that way, really.
Elvis 2008
11-04-22, 23:22
And every reputable virologist / public health official has said that "herd immunity" is absolutely unattainable with COVID.This is a classic Democrat bullshit line "every reputable expert" means all "experts" towing the Democratic douche party line.
The guys who wrote the GBD were professors from Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford, had prominent cosigners, and had nearly a millionaire other people sign off on what they wrote.
Here is a list of these people.
https://gbdeclaration.org/
Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.
Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.
Co-signers.
Medical and Public Health Scientists and Medical Practitioners.
Dr. Alexander Walker, principal at World Health Information Science Consultants, former Chair of Epidemiology, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health, USA.
Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden.
Dr. Angus Dalgleish, oncologist, infectious disease expert and professor, St. George's Hospital Medical School, University of London, England.
Dr. Anthony J Brookes, professor of genetics, University of Leicester, England.
Dr. Annie Janvier, professor of pediatrics and clinical ethics, Université de Montréal and Sainte-Justine University Medical Centre, Canada.
Dr. Ariel Munitz, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel.
Dr. Boris Kotchoubey, Institute for Medical Psychology, University of Tübingen, Germany.
Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics, expert on vaccine development, efficacy, and safety. Tufts University School of Medicine, USA.
Dr. David Katz, physician and president, True Health Initiative, and founder of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, USA.
Dr. David Livermore, microbiologist, infectious disease epidemiologist and professor, University of East Anglia, England.
Dr. Eitan Friedman, professor of medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel.
Dr. Ellen Townsend, professor of psychology, head of the Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, England.
Dr. Eyal Shahar, physician, epidemiologist and professor (emeritus) of public health, University of Arizona, USA.
Dr. Florian Limbourg, physician and hypertension researcher, professor at Hannover Medical School, Germany.
Dr. Gabriela Gomes, mathematician studying infectious disease epidemiology, professor, University of Strathclyde, Scotland.
Dr. Gerhard Krönke, physician and professor of translational immunology, University of Erlangen-Nuremberg, Germany.
Dr. Gesine Weckmann, professor of health education and prevention, Europäische Fachhochschule, Rostock, Germany.
Dr. Günter Kampf, associate professor, Institute for Hygiene and Environmental Medicine, Greifswald University, Germany.
Dr. Helen Colhoun, professor of medical informatics and epidemiology, and public health physician, University of Edinburgh, Scotland.
Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden.
Dr. Karol Sikora, physician, oncologist, and professor of medicine at the University of Buckingham, England.
Dr. Laura Lazzeroni, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and of biomedical data science, Stanford University Medical School, USA.
Dr. Lisa White, professor of modelling and epidemiology, Oxford University, England.
Dr. Mario Recker, malaria researcher and associate professor, University of Exeter, England.
Dr. Matthew Ratcliffe, professor of philosophy, specializing in philosophy of mental health, University of York, England.
Dr. Matthew Strauss, critical care physician and assistant professor of medicine, Queen's University, Canada.
Dr. Michael Jackson, research fellow, School of Biological Sciences, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.
Dr. Michael Levitt, biophysicist and professor of structural biology, Stanford University, USA.
Recipient of the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.
Dr. Mike Hulme, professor of human geography, University of Cambridge, England.
Dr. Motti Gerlic, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel.
Dr. Partha P. Majumder, professor and founder of the National Institute of Biomedical Genomics, Kalyani, India.
Dr. Paul McKeigue, physician, disease modeler and professor of epidemiology and public health, University of Edinburgh, Scotland.
Dr. Rajiv Bhatia, physician, epidemiologist and public policy expert at the Veterans Administration, USA.
Dr. Rodney Sturdivant, infectious disease scientist and associate professor of biostatistics, Baylor University, USA.
Dr. Simon Thornley, epidemiologist and biostatistician, University of Auckland, New Zealand.
Dr. Simon Wood, biostatistician and professor, University of Edinburgh, Scotland.
Dr. Stephen Bremner, professor of medical statistics, University of Sussex, England.
Dr. Sylvia Fogel, autism provider and psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital and instructor at Harvard Medical School, USA.
Tom Nicholson, Associate in Research, Duke Center for International Development, Sanford School of Public Policy, Duke University, USA.
Dr. Udi Qimron, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel.
Dr. Ulrike Kämmerer, professor and expert in virology, immunology and cell biology, University of Würzburg, Germany.
Dr. Uri Gavish, biomedical consultant, Israel.
Dr. Yaz Gulnur Muradoglu, professor of finance, director of the Behavioural Finance Working Group, Queen Mary University of London, England.
So here we ago again. Just like Xpartan, we have PVM, another Democratic douche who thinks quoting MSNBC makes him look smart.
Covid induces the immune system to cause blood clots (as does the vaccine). So if someone with Covid does die of a blood clot in the lungs, I have no problem with calling that a Covid related death. What bugs me is someone like you or the media coming along and saying lockdowns could have saved that person because clots are also caused when the blood is not circulating, I. E. When people are not moving. If someone is sitting on his ass watching TV and not moving due to a lockdown, that is a risk for blood clots too.This is a good point, and perhaps the reason death rates for younger people went up substantially during COVID. Crime rates went up to. Staying at home sitting on one's ass is not the natural state of man. It can cause mental as well as physical problems, that in extreme cases can result in suicide. People weren't getting timely medical care because the hospitals and doctors weren't doing nonessential procedures.
My knees are shot because of COVID. My gym closed for several months, and afterwards I cut back on gym usage even though I felt pretty comfortable there with my KN95 masks. I did a lot of running instead, like every day, and the rest is history.
Again with the "Great Barrington Declaration"?
That worthless piece-of-trash "declaration" mentioned herd immunity no less than 5 times. And every reputable virologist / public health official has said that "herd immunity" is absolutely unattainable with COVID. There have been about 640,000 cases of COVID worldwide in the almost 3 years since the pandemic began. There are about 7 million people in the world. Even if the number of cases have been understated by half, that's still a 20% infection rate, far less than the 80% required for "herd immunity".
A "cold virus"? Really? You can't be that ignorant to believe that SARS-CoV-2 is a rhinovirus (the virus that causes most colds). It isn't. I could cite medical articles that say that SARS-CoV-2 is not a rhinovirus but you wouldn't believe them.
"Died of pure COVID"? Ahhhh yes, the old standby of the Moron Brigade. You doofuses believe that anybody who had a PEC (even a hangnail) and COVID died of the PEC and not COVID.PLEASE. 640,000 cases of COVID worldwide and 7 million people in the world? Your numbers are off by three orders of magnitude. Your percentage, 20%, is in the ballpark of 2 X (official infections)/(world population). However, that's meaningless, with regard to what you're trying to show. There are a lot of people who had COVID and who aren't counted, because they weren't tested, or just used a home test. Well over 60% of Americans have COVID antibodies indicative of disease, and over 95% have antibodies from disease and or vaccination. I believe I've read estimates that 98% of Americans have some immunity.
And correct, this is like the flu so there is no herd immunity. But immunity through infection is considered by some researchers and doctors to be as effective or more effective than vaccines. At this point in time vaccination mandates don't make a whole lot of sense. Because almost everyone has some immunity, and a lot of the unvaccinated are as well or better protected than many of the vaccinated.
This is a good point, and perhaps the reason death rates for younger people went up substantially during COVID. Crime rates went up to. Staying at home sitting on one's ass is not the natural state of man. It can cause mental as well as physical problems, that in extreme cases can result in suicide. Anyone who committed suicide over Covid had serious personal issues before Covid came along. As I correctly said from the beginning, it was to be a two to three year event, based on other pandemics throughout history. The aim was always to reduce deaths and hinder the overflow of hospitals while vaccines and effective treatments could be developed. This naturally wasn't accomplished with perfection, but a lot of locales found a pretty good balance.
Does anyone remember a time about midway in Trump's effort to lay the foundation for, develop, create and exacerbate Trump's Pandemic when testing positive for the virus was not synonymous with "having COVID"? I do. Similar to the distinction between testing positive for HIV but not really having the "disease" of AIDS.
*World Health Organization:
Naming the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) and the virus that causes it
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/technical-guidance/naming-the-coronavirus-disease-(covid-2019) -and-the-virus-that-causes-it.
*The above URL link might not work, so you can find it by doing a search on the headline.
Which means anyone who said getting vaccinated meant you "would not get COVID" was then as well as today not far off by any meaningful measure.
BTW, the early awareness that people of any age and health condition could carry the virus for days with little or no symptoms, infecting thousands of contacts along the way, each of whom could then in turn carry and infect thousands more contacts for days and on and on, all by merely breathing, was precisely the reason widespread closures were necessary.
It was the only practical way to "flatten the curve" and not continue to overwhelm hospitals and staff all at once with fat, old patients, which would thereby prevent millions more non fat, old eople with emergency or severe ailments from getting timely life and limb-saving treatment. And to buy time for Obama's rapid vaccine production programs to do their job as planned to get shots in arms ASAP.
The fact that most infected people might only experience something like a common cold was a bad thing when the chances were great or in fact inevitable that they would then carry it to all the fat, old people in sight who then would far more likely get sick enough from it to require a private room and special attention in the nearest hospital.
Widespread closures would not have been necessary if you had to get bareback fucked in the ass to get infected with the virus or if you developed a ruby red rash on your forehead within minutes of getting infected and collapsed on your couch unable to even turn up the volume on the tv remote to hear Tucker Carlson's lies better.
And, of course, widespread closures would not have been necessary anywhere at all if Trump hadn't created Trump's Pandemic in the first place, as he clearly admitted he did in his own voice as heard on Bob Woodward's audio recording.
Elvis 2008
11-05-22, 05:42
PLEASE. 640,000 cases of COVID worldwide and 7 million people in the world? Your numbers are off by three orders of magnitude. Your percentage, 20%, is in the ballpark of 2 X (official infections)/(world population). However, that's meaningless, with regard to what you're trying to show. There are a lot of people who had COVID and who aren't counted, because they weren't tested, or just used a home test. Well over 60% of Americans have COVID antibodies indicative of disease, and over 95% have antibodies from disease and or vaccination. I believe I've read estimates that 98% of Americans have some immunity. Good points, Tiny. The vaccine is 0 to 20% effective against omicron which means it is 0% effective really. No vaccine would be approved at that rate. But because our government has bought so much of this shit, they configured a way with the booster and claimed that the booster and vaccine had 55% efficacy which again is close to worthless. That sounds good until they found out that people who previously were infected with omicron and got the booster were more likely to get sick. Given that, there IMO is not only no role for vaccination, there is no role for seeing if anyone is vaccinated with regards to employment. This denying people employment shit is still going on. Colombia requires proof of vaccination to enter the country which is a joke.
Even with infection, unlike the other variants that prevented the risk of reinfection 90% of the time, with omicron, the rate of prevention of a second omicron infection is still only 56%. Fortunately, not that many people get really sick with omicron and you treat those people with steroids, blood thinners, and monoclonal antibodies, and keep them the hell away from a ventilator and so far there are very few who even needed that.
Sure, the GBD was not perfect but with Fauci, Collins, and Birx were focused on Covid and Covid alone. Not just your knees, but women cutting themselves, children not learning because of school lockouts, our collective waistlines expanded, depression, drug use, opioid overdoses were all huge issues with Covid. And just like with the side effects of the vaccine, the Democratic douches ignore the horrible side effects of the ineffective treatments of Covid.
The scientists and doctors who wrote the GBD were concerned about the side effects of lockdowns. Here is part of what they wrote.
We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.
And Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.
Fauci has lied about this. He said he was not in favor of school lockdowns, and the right wing media caught him on video advocating for school lockdowns multiple times.
That is why I call PVM and Xpartan Democratic douches. They quote MSNBC and the NYT and think they are smart.
The GBD authors were right that the virus would work its way out. It was just due to variants becoming weaker and weaker versus herd immunity.
This is why I am not in favor of amnesty. Look at what these two fools, Xpartan and PVM, have said. The GBD was so worthless that Fauci taking down the authors was warranted? Censoring other doctor's opinions was misinformation? No, this was not about guys like Fauci protecting the public. It was about his fame and power, and that needs to be shown especially when you got guys as ignorant as PVM and Xpartan.
PLEASE. 640,000 cases of COVID worldwide and 7 million people in the world? He just makes stats up to suit his agenda. No science there as per normal. As you say, the only realistic way to count total infected persons (now and past) is to use antibodies. Next he will be telling us they found the WMDs and there were ever only 20.000 deaths. And TGBD. No scientists behind it. What a joke. One of the main weights behind it was that it was signed by 63.000 doctor, public health and mediacl experts, and scientists. He has no idea, just trotting out old debunked excuses. TGBD was the COVID documet WITH science. I wonder if these guys will take their cognitive dissonance to the grave or will they ever admit to it? We all know the answer from history.
He just makes stats up to suit his agenda. No science there as per normal. As you say, the only realistic way to count total infected persons (now and past) is to use antibodies. Next he will be telling us they found the WMDs and there were ever only 20.000 deaths. And TGBD. No scientists behind it. What a joke. One of the main weights behind it was that it was signed by 63.000 doctor, public health and mediacl experts, and scientists. He has no idea, just trotting out old debunked excuses. TGBD was the COVID documet WITH science. I wonder if these guys will take their cognitive dissonance to the grave or will they ever admit to it? We all know the answer from history.Here's the source. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/.
Nothing was "made up". But only a member of the Moron Brigade would say "made up".
Real MPs speak out about NATO terrorism and the hypocrisy of the USA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-eGslPCto0
Imagine if other MPs around the world and especially in the USA showed this kind of courage and honesty!! The world would be a much better place. This is what 'American Politics' should be about. Not endless Biden / Trump / economy name calling.Interesting perspective, thanks for the link. I agree with a lot of what the MP's said. At this point in time, with what's going on in Ukraine, I don't think it's fair to say that Russia's morally superior to the USA. But they didn't say that.
Are the MP's Irish?
Good points, Tiny. The vaccine is 0 to 20% effective against omicron which means it is 0% effective really.....Hey Elvis, I think the new boosters, which target the BA.4 and BA.5 variants along with the original virus, are much more effective right now. With time they'll probably become less so. Remember initially the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines were around 90% to 95% effective at preventing infection, and they're still reasonably effective at preventing hospitalization and death.
I got the new booster about a month ago. If I remember correctly you've been vaccinated. I think that was a wise decision, especially if you're as old as I am.
I disagree about Fauci, Collins and Birx. Like anyone they had their prejudices. If you're a doctor who works in public health, you're going to prioritize health over jobs and the economy. And yes, their advice changed along the way, and there are a lot of things that I imagine they wish they'd known then that we know now. I'd give them credit for their flexibility instead of demerits for changing their minds.
Anyone who committed suicide over Covid had serious personal issues before Covid came along. As I correctly said
from the beginning, it was to be a two to three year event, based on other pandemics throughout history. The aim was always to reduce deaths and hinder the overflow of hospitals while vaccines and effective treatments could be developed. This naturally wasn't accomplished with perfection, but a lot of locales found a pretty good balance.How many times do I have to tell you. I won't argue with someone who's smarter than me.
I just looked up the number of suicides in the USA, and there were fewer in 2020 than 2018 or 2019. So you were right questioning that. And I don't necessarily disagree with what you posted. I can see the wisdom in limiting attendance or capacity in indoor venues when there's danger of hospitals becoming overloaded. That was a real threat too. There were so many dead bodies in a city near where I live that they didn't have a place to put them. They had to get mobile morgues on wheels, that is, they were storing bodies in trucks. I've always been a big believer in testing and good quality masks, and was a believer in tracing until there were just too many cases for it to make sense.
My complaint was about lockdowns and confining people to home, which have obvious drawbacks. China's still sticking with that strategy, and it doesn't seem to be working that well.
I had a personal stockpile of 35 surgical grade N95 masks at the end of 2019. If I had been dictator of the United States of America, our country would have been similarly well prepared, coming into COVID. And there wouldn't have been an excuse for lockdowns.
Here's the source. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/.
Nothing was "made up". But only a member of the Moron Brigade would say "made up".Of course its a completely fictional number.
1. No one cares about COVID anymore because its no worse than a cold. And mostly never was apart from for the infirm. So even the countries than continue to report will be severely underreporting bcos their cistizens are not reporting cases.
2. And even when COVID was a deadly conspiracy, many countries didn't report it nor had the resources to test for it.
So you may as well go here and get a just as accurate a figure:
https://www.random.org/
Only "the Moron Brigade" would trot out offically reported case numbers as if they are accurate.
Interesting perspective, thanks for the link. I agree with a lot of what the MP's said. Are the MP's Irish?Yes, both are Irish MEPs. So rrefreshing to hear people speak the truth on the world stage.
Yes, both are Irish MEPs. So rrefreshing to hear people speak the truth on the world stage.The Irish are wise like the Swiss. They stay out of other peoples' wars. Both countries also have among the smallest government expenditures and government revenues as a % of GDP, of the developed countries. And among the highest per capita GDP's, adjusted for purchasing power. Maybe part of the reason why they have smaller governments and are more prosperous is because they don't have to spend as much money on defense.
ChuchoLoco
11-05-22, 23:58
The Irish are wise like the Swiss. They stay out of other peoples' wars. Both countries also have among the smallest government expenditures and government revenues as a % of GDP, of the developed countries. And among the highest per capita GDP's, adjusted for purchasing power. Maybe part of the reason why they have smaller governments and are more prosperous is because they don't have to spend as much money on defense.They are right about terrorism and they know first hand what terrorism is. Anyone else remember the IRA?
Anyone else remember the IRA?I remember them fighting for the return of their land, against a country that would not listen to a peaceful transition.
I know this is just a rhetorical question that none of the Repubs and Repub Bothsiders here can or will answer any better than their universal No Answer to my question about citing at least one meaningful and now revered legislation ever promoted and passed by Repubs when they controlled the White House, House and Senate. Ever.
But I'll give it a try anyway, just for laughs.
Um. Why would Fox, Idaho, Montana, Texas, Florida and others not mentioned lie so blatantly about those overwhelmed hospitals, staff, rooms, beds, treatments, etc?
Don't they know COVID-19 is no worse than a common cold, that it's no big deal if only fat, old people got somewhat sicker than others from it and so there was no need whatsoever to mandate closures to prevent them from getting infected all at once and needing emergency medical care all at once?
Hell, now everyone knows Biden, Fauci, the NYT, CNN were all lying to us about that as well as, yep, Ttump too (on audio recording) and, have to say it, all those faker Repub patients in the Emergency Rooms just pretending they were sick enough to require hospitalization, overwhelm the hospitals and put most other patient needs way back in line, right?
They were probably just faking it for the attention, right?
Mind you, most of this was even after some mandated closures had "flattened the curve" of cases, mitigated and lessened the crisis of overwhelmed available medical treatment:
Hospitals overwhelmed by COVID-19 crisis, analysis shows
https://fox4kc.com/tracking-coronavirus/hospitals-overwhelmed-by-covid-19-crisis-analysis-shows/
Idaho hospitals on course for 'likely' return to crisis standards of care
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/covid-crisis-standards-hospital-staff-omicron/277-4bb3f258-1afc-4a92-a901-7405c3085f08
Montana hospitals in dire straits as COVID rages
Hospitals move to crisis standard of care as patients overwhelm resources, and the state urges retired nurses to return to work.
https://montanafreepress.org/2021/09/17/montana-hospitals-enter-crisis-care/
"I am frightened by what is coming: Texas hospitals could soon be overwhelmed by COVID-19 caseload, officials say
The number of COVID-19 patients in Texas hospitals is rising too fast for hospitals to keep up with, hospital leaders told state lawmakers Tuesday
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/10/texas-hospitals-crisis-covid/
Welcome to the real world, gents.
So true again and for those that are not familiar with the term, it is called Neo Colonialism. A couple good books by a guy who calls himself the Economic Hitman. John Perkins. Just look at Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua in Latin America.I may be a neoliberal, but I'm no neo colonialist. The USA should end its embargoes and sanctions on Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua. The sanctions hurt the people, not the leaders. And they give the leaders excuses for their own failures. I say this with a heavy heart, because it could slow the supply of young, attractive, nubile strippers that have come poring into my community from the aforementioned countries.
I downloaded Perkins' latest book, the updated and expanded New Confessions of an Economic Hitman. I had a slight bit of exposure through work to possible corruption at the World Bank, so I'm looking forward to seeing what he has to say. I'm not sure whether or not I'll agree yet. If I don't, well, I'm reading a book by Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman, and I think they're full of sh*t. But it pays to be aware of other peoples' views and not wrap yourself in a cocoon. Thanks for the suggestion.
ChuchoLoco
11-06-22, 15:21
I remember them fighting for the return of their land, against a country that would not listen to a peaceful transition.And while doing so, school children were targets. When my people were fighting for their freedom from 500 years of Ottoman rule, our "heroes" and their followers committed acts of terrorism too. I'm just saying that all people do bad things at one point in their history even while fighting for freedom. I have also seen first hand the dislike of Protestant Irish from Catholic Irish and of the Scotch Irish. I believe a lot of the cause of the IRA revolt was due to Protestant prejudice against the Catholics who were in the minority and who asked the Brits for help but the Brits didn't exactly do that and leave. Irish are awesome people. Harp beer is great and so are many other things Irish. Had some absolutely awesome Irish neighbors as a kid. I'm just saying we are all guilty at one point. Peace, Paz and Mir.
ChuchoLoco
11-06-22, 15:42
I may be a neoliberal, but I'm no neo colonialist. The USA should end its embargoes and sanctions on Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua. The sanctions hurt the people, not the leaders. And they give the leaders excuses for their own failures. I say this with a heavy heart, because it could slow the supply of young, attractive, nubile strippers that have come poring into my community from the aforementioned countries.
I downloaded Perkins' latest book, the updated and expanded New Confessions of an Economic Hitman. I had a slight bit of exposure through work to possible corruption at the World Bank, so I'm looking forward to seeing what he has to say. I'm not sure whether or not I'll agree yet. If I don't, well, I'm reading a book by Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman, and I think they're full of sh*t. But it pays to be aware of other peoples' views and not wrap yourself in a cocoon. Thanks for the suggestion.Totally agree that USA and everyone else who is part of it should end the embargoes. Just hurts the common person. It does make them more resourceful though. I saw a program where a Cuban used a Russian truck carburetor and his 50's USA vintage car. End the embargoes and they will really prosper and probably thank us.
I'm just saying we are all guilty at one point.Even The King of all modern presidents, the Great Nelson Mandela sanctioned the use of terrorism to fight for the rights of his people, again bcos peaceful advances had been met with silence.
Sanctions. End them yes. But you also got to ask urself what moral right does any other country have to interfere in the choices that other countries make?
Elvis 2008
11-06-22, 18:58
I know this is just a rhetorical question that none of the Repubs and Repub Bothsiders here can or will answer any better than their universal No Answer to my question about citing at least one meaningful and now revered legislation ever promoted and passed by Repubs when they controlled the White House, House and Senate. Ever.
But I'll give it a try anyway, just for laughs.
Um. Why would Fox, Idaho, Montana, Texas, Florida and others not mentioned lie so blatantly about those overwhelmed hospitals, staff, rooms, beds, treatments, etc? Welcome to the real world, gents.What dumb nickname to you come up with regards to Joe Rogan, Tooms? What is he? A bothsider, a neither sider? To me, he is a thinking man and independent who does not fit into a cooked up group. He was not a Covid denier. He had Covid and got boatloads of shit for going against the official narrative. He had two experts on, who both had Covid and were vaccinated, and were honest about the side effects of the vaccine, and those guests were like his most popular podcasts of all time.
Yeah, there were Republican retards who were adamant that Covid was not real, and you know why? Because you Dems saw the virus as a way to cripple the economy and topple Trump, and that is exactly what happened. Even now, a douche like you is still blaming Trump for the pandemic. The policies on Covid at the federal level with Trump and Biden were practically the same, and there were more so called Covid deaths under Biden than Trump.
It was one thing to call Covid fake in March 2020 when there were so few cases when everything was shut down. Tell me douche what Republicans in 2021 in Texas were saying Covid was not real? Find one.
And how fucking arrogant and stupid do you have to be to lecture me on hospital bed conditions in Texas in 2021? I live in Texas douche. No one wants to respond to you Tooms because you are so damned stupid and this is proof of it. All your posts are orange man bad, Democrats good. "I know Texas conditions better while living in Thailand than people in Texas do. And BTW, people living when Eisenhower was president had it rough but times were great with Carter. Those people were just too stupid to know it". WTF?
You bragged about your portfolio and then you censor posts after you got your ass handed to you. What has your idiotic binary view of the world gotten you? A feeling of superiority? Does that make up for the dent in your wallet?
Given the federal government's economic policies under Trump and Biden, you can pick the greatest president of all time, and he was going to have to deal with a recession, inflation, and a falling market. Tell me, Tooms, did you really think putting people out of work and printing up $11 trillion out of thin air was a problem Biden was somehow going to solve? Really?
You dumb Dems crashed the economy to take out Trump but you douches are now having to deal with those chickens coming home to roust. You dumb Dems pushed for this global warming agenda and now the Europeans, who were true believers in that agenda, may be freezing their asses off come this Winter.
Did you learn anything Tooms? Did you learn when the Fed is doing QT, raising rates, and there is an inverted yield curve to not be long the market? Do you know what I meant when I said multiples contract when the Fed is raising rates? If Europeans are freezing their asses off and dying this winter, will you learn from that? Nah, you will just get more arrogant than ever, and this is proof of that.
Lecturing Texas Republicans about hospitals in Texas is a new low for you Tooms. Unfuckingbelievable.
No, trained medical professionals say that people die with Covid or had Covid related deaths. The media and some members of government change died WITH Covid to died FROM Covid and idiots like you lap it up. For those of us who actually use our brain, there is a huge difference between correlation and causation.
Covid induces the immune system to cause blood clots (as does the vaccine). So if someone with Covid does die of a blood clot in the lungs, I have no problem with calling that a Covid related death. What bugs me is someone like you or the media coming along and saying lockdowns could have saved that person because clots are also caused when the blood is not circulating, I. E. When people are not moving. If someone is sitting on his ass watching TV and not moving due to a lockdown, that is a risk for blood clots too.So you don't die from cancer, you die with cancer.
You don't die from ebola, you die with ebola.
You don't die from the flu, you die with the flu.
What are you arguing about? A preposition?
COVID-19 is listed as the underlying cause on the death certificate in 92% of deaths. Pneumonia deaths are identified using multiple cause-of-death codes from the 10th Revision of ICD (ICD10): J12J18, excluding deaths that involve influenza (J09J11). Influenza deaths are identified from the ICD10 codes J09J11, and include deaths with pneumonia or COVID-19 listed as a contributing cause of death.https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/tech_notes.htm#text=COVID%2 D19%20 is%20 listed%20 as%20 the%20 underlying%20 cause%20 on%20 the, influenza%20 (J09%E2%80%93 J11).
When COVID Deaths Are Dismissed Or Stigmatized, Grief Is Mixed With Shame And Anger.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/08/30/1011785899/when-covid-deaths-are-dismissed-or-stigmatized-grief-is-mixed-with-shame-and-ang
Too many Americans are still in covid denial.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/19/covid-million-americans-dead-complacency-ideology/
So I imply you are ignorant, and you admit it. Xpartan, JustTK is right. Why have a discussion with someone who I suspected and now admits to being ignorant? When I ask you how people die of Covid, are you really so stupid as to not look it up?
And I know what you are going to do with the information I gave you above which is nothing. In your pea brain mind, what I said is not objective information. You will just wave it away with a hand, "Eh, that is just Elvis. ".Your words, not mine.
ChuchoLoco
11-06-22, 23:25
Even The King of all modern presidents, the Great Nelson Mandela sanctioned the use of terrorism to fight for the rights of his people, again bcos peaceful advances had been met with silence.
Sanctions. End them yes. But you also got to ask urself what moral right does any other country have to interfere in the choices that other countries make?What an incredibly great man he was. Probably one of the greatest. Who could ever go through what he did and still be forgiving? Thanks for mentioning him. As far as your question, my answer is none. Cultures and countries have developed their norms etc and they have have worked for them for centuries and should be respected by others who think that their way is better. Allow me to get on my soapbox again. One of the biggest violators is the women's movement who want to have women worldwide become westernized women. Nothing could be worse. This also goes for religion.
DramaFree11
11-07-22, 02:07
What dumb nickname to you come up with regards to Joe Rogan, Tooms? What is he? A bothsider, a neither sider? To me, he is a thinking man and independent who does not fit into a cooked up group. He was not a Covid denier. He had Covid and got boatloads of shit for going against the official narrative. He had two experts on, who both had Covid and were vaccinated, and were honest about the side effects of the vaccine, and those guests were like his most popular podcasts of all time.
Yeah, there were Republican retards who were adamant that Covid was not real, and you know why? Because you Dems saw the virus as a way to cripple the economy and topple Trump, and that is exactly what happened. Even now, a douche like you is still blaming Trump for the pandemic. The policies on Covid at the federal level with Trump and Biden were practically the same, and there were more so called Covid deaths under Biden than Trump.
It was one thing to call Covid fake in March 2020 when there were so few cases when everything was shut down. Tell me douche what Republicans in 2021 in Texas were saying Covid was not real? Find one.
And how fucking arrogant and stupid do you have to be to lecture me on hospital bed conditions in Texas in 2021? I live in Texas douche. No one wants to respond to you Tooms because you are so damned stupid and this is proof of it. All your posts are orange man bad, Democrats good. "I know Texas conditions better while living in Thailand than people in Texas do. And BTW, people living when Eisenhower was president had it rough but times were great with Carter. Those people were just too stupid to know it". WTF?Amazing report. You forgot BLM movement and turning Americans against the police force. Now crime and drugs are out of control great job Biden and the other liberals. None of this should have happened, but 45-55% of the population and liberal media hated Trump. Now look at the mess we are in Crime / Drugs are out of control, hyper inflation, one war,(Possibly another war with these clowns in office), border crisis, and homelessness at an all time high. I can go on.
You dumb Dems pushed for this global warming agenda and now the Europeans, who were true believers in that agenda, may be freezing their asses off come this Winter.It's incredible that Biden can keep a straight face when he's bitching about the evil oil companies these days. He had embarked on a plan to put them out of business, and now he's demonizing them for not investing enough to grow production.
Bjorn Lomborg wrote an interesting editorial that appeared in the Wall Street Journal on Friday. It's about a paper published in the respected journal Lancet, that's gotten a ton of coverage in the left-of-center main stream press. It claims rising temperatures have increased global heat deaths among people aged over 65 by 68% over two decades. Lomborg notes that the authors failed to note that the population of people over 65 had increased by 60% over two decades. So the increase in heat deaths was almost entirely due to the increase in the population! That's an incredibly stupid oversight.
Lomborg goes on to say that many more people die from cold than die from heat. He estimates that the higher temperatures cause about 17,000 more heat deaths in older people. But they also result in about 500,000 fewer deaths from cold!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-lan...te-11667580996
This climate thing has become like a religion. Many trillions of dollars will be wasted with negligible effects on global warming.
Lecturing Texas Republicans about hospitals in Texas is a new low for you Tooms. Unfuckingbelievable.I think in his heart, like most Democrats, he's a good guy Elvis. He's just been brainwashed by the left-of-center mainstream media, and lives in a cocoon in Bangkok and California where he's gotten used to the idea that COVID paranoia is normal. Yeah, I live in Texas too. And where I live, people were very aware of COVID and the majority were taking precautions during the Omicron wave of late 2021/ early 2022. It was all over the local news, and the hospital administrators were local celebrities. I'm pretty sure that California was hit worse by that wave than Texas. I imagine with a little time we could go through and find similar stories to his about overcrowded hospitals in blue states, but why take the time.
What dumb nickname to you come up with regards to Joe Rogan, Tooms? What is he? A bothsider, a neither sider? To me, he is a thinking man and independent who does not fit into a cooked up group. He was not a Covid denier. He had Covid and got boatloads of shit for going against the official narrative. He had two experts on, who both had Covid and were vaccinated, and were honest about the side effects of the vaccine, and those guests were like his most popular podcasts of all time.
Yeah, there were Republican retards who were adamant that Covid was not real, and you know why? Because you Dems saw the virus as a way to cripple the economy and topple Trump, and that is exactly what happened. Even now, a douche like you is still blaming Trump for the pandemic. The policies on Covid at the federal level with Trump and Biden were practically the same, and there were more so called Covid deaths under Biden than Trump.
It was one thing to call Covid fake in March 2020 when there were so few cases when everything was shut down. Tell me douche what Republicans in 2021 in Texas were saying Covid was not real? Find one.
And how fucking arrogant and stupid do you have to be to lecture me on hospital bed conditions in Texas in 2021? I live in Texas douche. No one wants to respond to you Tooms because you are so damned stupid and this is proof of it. All your posts are orange man bad, Democrats good. "I know Texas conditions better while living in Thailand than people in Texas do. And BTW, people living when Eisenhower was president had it rough but times were great with Carter. Those people were just too stupid to know it". WTF?
You bragged about your portfolio and then you censor posts after you got your ass handed to you. What has your idiotic binary view of the world gotten you? A feeling of superiority? Does that make up for the dent in your wallet?Yes, as expected and predicted, this post goes on the "Gee, you're right. I've got nothing except easily debunked opinions I pull out of my butt" list of Repub replies.
But at least you tried. And failed. I can't even point to a list of replies that never even materialized on my request for at least one single piece of meaningful and now revered legislation promoted, fought for and passed when Repubs controlled the White House, the House and the Senate.
That "citation" will never come because it never happened. Nor will it ever happen.
LOL. So you guys keep tweaking your little fantasy math calculations to convince yourselves, "Hey, only 1 in a Trillion people who tested positive for Trump's Pandemic virus suffered even so much as a 2-day sniffle" and ignore the absolute fact of easily observable and quantifiable relality that millions of Americans were flooding and overwhelming hospitals all around the country even with nationwide closure efforts, without which even more millions would have raised and widened "the curve" and Trump would have mass murdered millions more Americans with his Trump's Pandemic than he already did.
And that is why closures were encouraged and in some cases mandated.
Severely sick to the point of requiring hospitalization (and many dying) "from" Covid, "with" Covid, "next to" Covid, "over, under and around" Covid or however you want to put it, after Trump created Trump's Pandemic exactly the way he said on audio recording that it was created, millions of Americans were flooding hospitals and graveyards thanks to his economic decisions.
It's incredible that Biden can keep a straight face when he's bitching about the evil oil companies these days. He had embarked on a plan to put them out of business, and now he's demonizing them for not investing enough to grow production.
Bjorn Lomborg wrote an interesting editorial that appeared in the Wall Street Journal on Friday. It's about a paper published in the respected journal Lancet, that's gotten a ton of coverage in the left-of-center main stream press. It claims rising temperatures have increased global heat deaths among people aged over 65 by 68% over two decades. Lomborg notes that the authors failed to note that the population of people over 65 had increased by 60% over two decades. So the increase in heat deaths was almost entirely due to the increase in the population! That's an incredibly stupid oversight.
Lomborg goes on to say that many more people die from cold than die from heat. He estimates that the higher temperatures cause about 17,000 more heat deaths in older people. But they also result in about 500,000 fewer deaths from cold!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-lan...te-11667580996Lomborg. Right.
Lomborg's claims are based on a misinterpretation of a scientific study and wrong interpretation of data.
For background, it is useful to remind the reader that Lomborg has no training in climate or health science and has a track record of getting the science of climate change wrong. Readers should also be reminded that publishing a graph on Facebook or Twitter is not how science is done, as this approach is prone to bias and errors. When scientists make new discoveries in their fields that they think are relevant to the broader scientific community, the proper approach is to submit their work to a peer-reviewed scientific journal, where the assumptions, data collection and processing, and interpretations can be assessed by other experts in the field. Simply publishing a figure on social media is not a valid approach to produce reliable knowledge and this method should be seen as a red flag indicating that the person who posted it doesn't have solid arguments to back the claim.
Lomborg has repeated similar claims about climate change impacts on health for several years. In a 2016 Wall Street Journal article, Lomborg relied on a 2015 article published in The Lancet by Antonio Gasparrini, Professor of Biostatistics and Epidemiology at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, and his colleagues to claim that cold deaths significantly outweigh heat deaths and that climate change will be beneficial. Gasparrini told Climate Feedback how Lomborg had misinterpreted his 2015 work in addition to the Zhao paper, of which Gasparrini is also a co-author:
In the 2015 article, we computed both cold and heat-related deaths in a number of locations and countries, and indeed the former were much larger. However, the analysis focuses on the historical period and does not compute the differences in both cold and heat-related deaths in scenarios with and without climate change. That is, it provides no information on if the predicted decrease in cold-related deaths will offset the predicted increase in heat-related deaths.
Lomborg and others who have cited my 2015 article to support the claim that climate change will be beneficial conveniently ignore that we actually addressed this question in the following article published in The Lancet Planetary Health, where we computed such a net effect. It turned out that in many countries, especially in highly populated tropical areas, the increase in heat-related deaths is much higher than the reduction in cold-related deaths, with an increase in net mortality, especially under more extreme scenarios of global warming. A separate analysis led by other research groups has confirmed these results in both the US and Europe.https://climatefeedback.org/claimreview/global-warming-contributes-to-increased-heat-related-mortality-contrary-to-bjorn-lomborgs-unsupported-claims-that-climate-change-is-saving-hundreds-of-thousands-of-lives-each-year
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Lomborg. Right.
Lomborg's claims are based on a misinterpretation of a scientific study and wrong interpretation of data.https://climatefeedback.org/claimreview/global-warming-contributes-to-increased-heat-related-mortality-contrary-to-bjorn-lomborgs-unsupported-claims-that-climate-change-is-saving-hundreds-of-thousands-of-lives-each-year
Next.Your link is not convincing. Lomborg appears to base his estimate in part on work by Zhao, Guo, Ye, Gasparrini, Tong and Overcenco.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21) 00081-4/ fulltext.
The paper states that, "Globally, 5 083 173 deaths (95% eCI 4 087 9675 965 520) were associated with non-optimal temperatures per year, consisting of 4 594 098 cold-related deaths (3 337 2225 640 617) and 489 075 heat-related deaths (304 216732 518; table 1)".
Now you can put as much lipstick as you want on that pig, but the fact is that about 10 X more people die from cold than heat, and common sense dictates that with global warming you'll have a net reduction in deaths related to heat and cold. The authors actually say that "at a global level, the results indicate that global warming might slightly reduce net temperature-related deaths in the short term. " They go onto to say in the long run climate change is expected to increase the mortality burden, but do not relate this expectation to heat and cold related deaths (more on that in a minute.).
Your hit piece either makes no reference to what Lomborg wrote in the WSJ article, or mischaracterizes what he wrote. For example, one of the co-authors of Zhao et al's paper, trying to discredit Lomborg, says that "in highly populated tropical areas, the increase in heat-related deaths is much higher than the reduction in cold-related deaths. " No shit Sherlock. I don't imagine there are many deaths from cold occurring in Indonesia.
Claims that Lomborg doesn't publish outside of Facebook and the popular press are lies. Just take a look in Google Scholar. Claims that he's not qualified to comment because he doesn't have a degree in climate science or meteorology or whatever are bull shit too. Those are Mickey Mouse degrees. The research is done by people with degrees in physics, mathematics (including statistics), computer science, engineering and the like. Lomborg's background is in statistics. In the words of Hillary Clinton, it takes a village. No individual has the background to fully understand all the technical, social and economic aspects of climate change, and Lomborg comes about as close as anyone. The science is difficult. I believe climate models divide the atmosphere and surface of the earth up into three dimensional grid blocks and then use differential equations to describe fluid flow, heat transfer, and mass transfer (evaporation for example) within and between the blocks. And then there are all sorts of other considerations related to physics that I don't understand that have to be incorporated into the model.
Lomborg's claim to fame prior to global warming was looking at how you can get the most bang for the buck from charitable endeavors. For example, does it make more sense to spend money on vaccinating kids or providing micronutrients in third world countries. He looks at economics. He thinks about how much good $2 trillion dollars would provide if invested in endeavors like ending malaria and other diseases or helping poverty stricken kids, instead of getting medieval about reducing carbon emissions. Many climate scientists don't like that. They're a bit like some in public health and epidemiology who detested anyone who dared to question whether peoples jobs or the economy should be considerations in how we responded to COVID. Scientific American devoted an entire issue to lambasting Lomborg by the way.
Now, UNRELATED TO TEMPERATURE CHANGES, burning of fossil fuels does cause deaths, mostly as a result of people breathing particulate matter in third world countries. For that reason, and also the relationship between carbon emissions and global warming, it does make sense to migrate away from coal in particular. Unfortunately, Democratic politicians and mainstream European politicians approach the problem in a destructive way, because they don't have common sense or they're trying to appeal to their base or both. The way to do it in the USA would be to place a REASONABLE tax on fossil fuels, levied at the point the fuels are burned so as to not affect exports (which would hurt our exporters without reducing carbon emissions as Australia and Russia and other countries would pick up the slack). And if you want to actually spend taxpayer money, do it in developing countries. I read the other day, I think in the Economist, that for every dollar spent in the UK on reducing carbon emissions, you'd get 10 X more reduction if you spent the money in India instead. More importantly, in the short term, you'd be saving lots of lives from particulate emissions in India, while you wouldn't in the UK. As JustTK and ChuchoLoco point out, you'd want to do this better than we have in the past, as sometimes chunks of the money have disappeared when funneled through the World Bank and similar institutions. The USA accounts for 14% of the world's carbon emissions, and that percentage is going to get much smaller with time. You spend tons of money in the USA on reducing carbon emissions, and you won't make that much difference if wordwide emissions.
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For those of you that never access "the other side" - thru choice or ignorance, here is the alternative story of Russian atrocities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyXhwbj6_yA
You might think, why believe this BS? My media is so much more trustworthy. But when you say that you should know that you sound like a Christian arguing that your god is more beleiveable than any other god.
Now you can put as much lipstick as you want on that pigAccording to a slew of evironmental scientists and economists that's precisely what you are doing when you push Bjorn Lomborg, who appears as yet another dishonest, conspiracy theory peddler that panders to far right entities. Here's a pretty thorough critique on him from the London School of Economics.
https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/news/a-closer-examination-of-the-fantastical-numbers-in-bjorn-lomborgs-new-book/
Elvis 2008
11-08-22, 04:59
For those of you that never access "the other side" - thru choice or ignorance, here is the alternative story of Russian atrocities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyXhwbj6_yA
You might think, why believe this BS? My media is so much more trustworthy. But when you say that you should know that you sound like a Christian arguing that your god is more beleiveable than any other god.TK, I have been reading and watching a lot of Peter Zeihan. I think what he says is fascinating. He predicted the Ukraine war but thought Russia was going to do a lot better than it did.
He looks back at the past and since the end of WW2 the navy of the USA has kept international shipping lanes open and has borne all the expenses. Now that we are not importing any more oil from abroad, which was really the one good we needed more than any other, he thinks the days of the USA keeping all the shipping lanes open at our expense is done. He also makes the point that the Americas free trade zone is pretty self sufficient. We have free trade agreements with all of Central America, Mexico, Canada, Colombia, and Chile and those countries can fill most all of our needs.
You may not believe the American navy is keeping the shipping lanes open for Iranian or Saudi crude headed to China or Japan but we are. The question now is why are we taking on this cost.
Given how feeble the Russian army is and how they will have so few young men who can be soldiers because of demographics, I would ask why are we paying for NATO. Clearly, Europe can defend itself from Russia.
The USA navy is like police officers. They do so much good that you never hear about. All you hear about is the bad. TK, maybe I am wrong, but I think you naively believe that you have not benefitted from this free trade while virtually everyone in the world has. Regardless, if Zeihan is right, your complaints about America's military involvement in the world will be way down as we will withdraw from protecting the world and just protect the Americas.
But be careful what you wish for. If we pull in our navy, the rest of the world including you is going to be paying a lot more for traded goods.
Elvis 2008
11-08-22, 05:43
But at least you tried. And failed. I can't even point to a list of replies that never even materialized on my request for at least one single piece of meaningful and now revered legislation promoted, fought for and passed when Repubs controlled the White House, the House and the Senate.No, Tooms, you make a stupid conjecture and no one calls you on it and then you declare victory. Your theory is the Republican Congress has been worthless with the passing of laws while the Democrats have been great. In truth, there never was partisan voting to the extent it goes on today.
So your first dumb claim is that if a bill passes into law with a large number of Republicans voting for it, the only people who should get credit for it are the Democratic majority. That is just stupid and binary.
And who made the abortion law and then took it away? Yeah, that was the Supreme Court. Congress had nothing to do with it.
And who made up the laws with masks and travel during Covid? The CDC, a private company, run by executive branch appointees. Again, Congress did nothing there.
Let's take a great law, the Securities Act of 1933, the first law regulating the stock market and the law that created the SEC. You want to give all the credit to the Democrats for this one right? But it is not enough to pass the law. The executive branch often under control of Republicans has to regulate the market and decide how to enforce the law. Then you have the courts that may step in if the SEC goes too far. It takes all three branches of government to make sure the law runs smoothly, and it takes good people in both parties to make sure that it does.
But in your stupid binary brain all good laws are created by Democrats and all bad ones by Republicans, and I repeat that POV is so fucking stupid no one wants to respond to it. This whole binary bullshit splits the country apart.
With you, everything good is Democrat and everything bad is Republican. Most important things in life are not due to politics, and it is obnoxious and childish to take credit for the random good and blame others for the random bad. It is to the point where things are so bad I want you stupid credit hounding Democratic douches to go live in your own country and we will split things in half.
But we have seen what one party Democratic rule is. We have California and New York, and we all know that if things were so fucking great there, people and businesses would not be flooding into Texas and Florida, and they are.
And look at you. You moved to Thailand. You are the typical Californian. You screw up your state with your dumb excessive and expensive regulations, leave it because it is too expensive, and then lecture everyone else on how to govern. You and all the other Californians who have left that state but are political know-it-alls are complete hypocrites.
Why should anyone listen to you and your California political POV when you left that state for somewhere cheaper?
According to a slew of evironmental scientists and economists that's precisely what you are doing when you push Bjorn Lomborg, who appears as yet another dishonest, conspiracy theory peddler that panders to far right entities. Here's a pretty thorough critique on him from the London School of Economics.
https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/news/a-closer-examination-of-the-fantastical-numbers-in-bjorn-lomborgs-new-book/A conspiracy theory peddler who panders to far right entities? That's ridiculous. He recognizes that global warming is occurring and believes steps should be taken to mitigate it. He does not believe we should let carbon mitigation efforts crowd out other worthwhile endeavors to improve health and the lot of the poor. Or that we should get into a situation like Europe's in right now, as a result of the Ukraine / Russia situation.
I’m tired of playing whac a mole with you guys. You throw out a link to a biased source, like to Bob Ward's piece, and think you have a "gotcha" moment. That said, if you believe that there are currently net deaths from temperature changes as a result of global warming, or if you disagree with my beliefs about a carbon tax and aid to developing countries to reduce usage of fossil fuels, particularly coal, I’d be interested in what you have to say.
Just scanning the article, the section on fossil fuel subsidies is very misleading. The real fossil fuel subsidies are mostly provided by places like Iran, China, Saudi Arabia, Russia and India, not by developed countries. How would Mr. Ward propose we strong arm them so they'll end their subsidies?
Ward quotes an IMF publication that puts the cost of fossil fuel subsidies in 2016 dollars at $5.2 trillion. Based on a little research, this is per year. You must have to engage in a lot of mental masturbation to come up with that number. For example, Ward says almost half is from deaths and illness caused through air pollution. I addressed this in the post you're replying to, and, again, the deaths and illnesses are mostly in third world countries.
The belief that the USA heavily subsidizes its fossil fuels industry is a fallacy. See Table 3 on page 17 of this EIA publication:
https://www.eia.gov/analysis/requests/subsidy/pdf/subsidy.pdf
In 2017, subsidies for renewables were 6.7 billion dollars. (For better or worse, this number will go up a lot as a result of the "Inflation Reduction Act.") For oil and gas they were negative 773 million. Tax code provisions are the largest component of the subsidies.
Spending the time to debunk or agree with Ward's other points would take more time than I'm willing to spend. Contrary to what you wrote, I don't have a lot of time on my hands.
Ill note that the Economist and Foreign Policy have praised Lomborg, and Lomborg has written a rebuttal to some of Ward's claims, here.
https://www.lomborg.com/response-to-bob-ward
Btw, when I was a kid the London School of Economics was considered Commie. And the left's solution to all this is to spend massive amounts of money to get to carbon neutral in the USA and Europe, which will not come close to solving the problem if countries like China, India, Indonesia, Russia, etc. don't follow along.
TK, I have been reading and watching a lot of Peter Zeihan. He predicted the Ukraine war but thought Russia was going to do a lot better than it did.
But be careful what you wish for. If we pull in our navy, the rest of the world including you is going to be paying a lot more for traded goods.I don't think you watched the video, did you?
Your theory is the Republican Congress has been worthless with the passing of laws while the Democrats have been great.
Even Anna Kasparian has given up on the Dems and is asking for a viable 3rd party.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bu9dal2rcU
No, Tooms, you make a stupid conjecture and no one calls you on it and then you declare victory. Your theory is the Republican Congress has been worthless with the passing of laws while the Democrats have been great. In truth, there never was partisan voting to the extent it goes on today.
So your first dumb claim is that if a bill passes into law with a large number of Republicans voting for it, the only people who should get credit for it are the Democratic majority. That is just stupid and binary.
And who made the abortion law and then took it away? Yeah, that was the Supreme Court. Congress had nothing to do with it.
And who made up the laws with masks and travel during Covid? The CDC, a private company, run by executive branch appointees. Again, Congress did nothing there.
Let's take a great law, the Securities Act of 1933, the first law regulating the stock market and the law that created the SEC. You want to give all the credit to the Democrats for this one right? But it is not enough to pass the law. The executive branch often under control of Republicans has to regulate the market and decide how to enforce the law. Then you have the courts that may step in if the SEC goes too far. It takes all three branches of government to make sure the law runs smoothly, and it takes good people in both parties to make sure that it does.
But in your stupid binary brain all good laws are created by Democrats and all bad ones by Republicans, and I repeat that POV is so fucking stupid no one wants to respond to it. This whole binary bullshit splits the country apart.
With you, everything good is Democrat and everything bad is Republican. Most important things in life are not due to politics, and it is obnoxious and childish to take credit for the random good and blame others for the random bad. It is to the point where things are so bad I want you stupid credit hounding Democratic douches to go live in your own country and we will split things in half.
But we have seen what one party Democratic rule is. We have California and New York, and we all know that if things were so fucking great there, people and businesses would not be flooding into Texas and Florida, and they are.
And look at you. You moved to Thailand. You are the typical Californian. You screw up your state with your dumb excessive and expensive regulations, leave it because it is too expensive, and then lecture everyone else on how to govern. You and all the other Californians who have left that state but are political know-it-alls are complete hypocrites.
Why should anyone listen to you and your California political POV when you left that state for somewhere cheaper?Elvis, Like I said before, Tooms is a good guy, he's just been brainwashed. It's nothing that a week or two in one of those deprogramming camps wouldn't fix. I really don't think he's a lost cause. If Joe Biden asked him to drink cyanide-flavored Kool Aid or die in a fire, I don't think he'd do it. Yeah the requests for lists of great Republican legislation are getting old. Being from the anarcho capitalist / Libertarian wing of the party, and viewing the federal government as inherently evil, I judge the Republicans based on the legislation they DIDN'T pass. I do revere parts of the tax cut bills passed during the Reagan, Bush and Trump administrations, but I'm too lazy to look up the names of the bills.
Excellent points about state government. Why do blue states elect Republican governors like Charlie Baker, Larry Hogan and Glenn Youngkin? Because Republicans like them are good executives. They have business experience. They aren't lawyers and community activists like so many blue state governors.
And I will defend the right of Californians to grow their welfare states to epic levels, regulate out the gazoo, tax their most productive citizens at extortionate rates, and ban internal combustion engines. I do however get pissed off when the bastards go to Washington and try to inflict that agenda on the rest of us.
I don't think you watched the video, did you?I did whenever you posted it and had mixed feelings about the message. I suspect the truth lies somewhere between what he's saying and what you hear in the main stream media. He has a point that Russia could have wiped Ukraine off the map by now if it had wanted to. They seem to be holding back, versus what they did in Syria. Or perhaps what the main stream media tells us they did in Syria.
I'm disappointed with the USA and Europe. They should be pressing both sides to end this conflict. Nobody's going to come out a winner.
Elvis 2008
11-09-22, 04:55
I don't think you watched the video, did you?No, but I just did. There was no new information there. I knew about American and European abuses. Putin's invasion was undoubtedly provoked. The Democrats have had some weird fetish with Russia and Ukraine. The Democratic NGOs really run the country and we saw in Ukrainegate that Ukraine was as Democratically dominated as California. With Russia, apparently, the Dems think Russia cost them the 2016 election. From my POV, the USA should really, really be pushing peace for economic reasons. Russia and Belarus dominate the fertilizer market and other parts of the world (not the USA) may see famine if those do not come back on line. Europe may have some freezing deaths and for the life of me I do not understand what economic interests we have in Ukraine.
What this guy and everyone else has said about Russia is that it wants to go back to the borders of the old USSR. I have NEVER seen that. I thought this war was about securing the safety of the ethnic Russians in Eastern Ukraine who this speaker rightly says were being terrorized. That is what Russia has said this war is about.
And I think this guy's cheerleading about the Russian army was just as bad as the Democratic senators going to Ukraine and saying we stand with you until you achieve victory. WTF does that mean? Did we achieve "victory" in Afghanistan or Iran? In the old days you would take out the government and the fighting was done. It is not like that now.
That famed 40 mile long parade of tanks and trucks that was supposed to invade Kiev ran out of gas, and the soldiers did not even have food. There are so many Russians surrendering right now the Ukrainians have a 1-800 number, and the Russians are so desperate for munitions they are buying these POS Iranian drones that you can only use on unguarded targets. And the notion the West is going to let Ukraine fall is BS too.
And this notion that the Russians were just playing before but are now just serious? Give me a fucking break. They have committed a shit load of atrocities. Both sides have.
There have been so many dumb things said about this war like Putin is Hitler. Hitler said he wanted to invade all of Europe. Putin has said the opposite and if Putin does invade a NATO nation, we are not going to launch nukes? Since when?
Given how shitty their battlefield munitions are, I am not sure the Russians even have all that many nukes that work. It would be suicide for Putin to invade a NATO country in Europe and these fools are saying he is like Hitler and wants to do it. What is the upside?
I agree with the guy the Russians in Eastern Ukraine were being treated like shit by the Ukrainians, and they should have had that region taken from them. If not, it will be like Israel and Palestine.
So you negotiate a peace based on that and stop this stupid fucking war and enough with all these dummies who have visions of victory in their head on either side. Hasn't everyone learned by now that the only winners in war these days are the weapons makers?
No, Tooms, you make a stupid conjecture and no one calls you on it and then you declare victory. Your theory is the Republican Congress has been worthless with the passing of laws while the Democrats have been great. In truth, there never was partisan voting to the extent it goes on today.
So your first dumb claim is that if a bill passes into law with a large number of Republicans voting for it, the only people who should get credit for it are the Democratic majority. That is just stupid and binary.
And who made the abortion law and then took it away? Yeah, that was the Supreme Court. Congress had nothing to do with it.
And who made up the laws with masks and travel during Covid? The CDC, a private company, run by executive branch appointees. Again, Congress did nothing there.
Let's take a great law, the Securities Act of 1933, the first law regulating the stock market and the law that created the SEC. You want to give all the credit to the Democrats for this one right? But it is not enough to pass the law. The executive branch often under control of Republicans has to regulate the market and decide how to enforce the law. Then you have the courts that may step in if the SEC goes too far. It takes all three branches of government to make sure the law runs smoothly, and it takes good people in both parties to make sure that it does.
But in your stupid binary brain all good laws are created by Democrats and all bad ones by Republicans, and I repeat that POV is so fucking stupid no one wants to respond to it. This whole binary bullshit splits the country apart.That was a long, round about post to finally have it land smack on the "Gee, you're right. I've got nothing but easily debunked opinions I pulled out of my butt" Repub reply list.
Sorry. A law passed in 1933 as part of FDR's New Deal when Democrats held the White House and the Majority in Both Houses of Congress does not count as a merciful citation of at least one single meaningful and now revered legislation promoted, fought for and passed when Republicans held the White House and the Majority in Both Houses of Congress.
I mean, Elvis, I see you put a lot of time in writing that post and I wish I had a "participation" trophy to give you for it.
But, hey, it was way off the mark. In fact, it missed the entire wall, much less the target, even less the bullseye. Surely, you can understand why it missed the mark so horribly, right?
Or, rather, Don't. Mess. With. Sleepy Joe Brandon.
A few random thoughts, more later after the dust settles:
- Had pro Repub Bothsiders like Bill Maher and others in typically pro Mainstream Media not worked so hard to suppress the Dem vote right up until hours before election day, the House and Senate seats still on a knife's edge would have gone to the Dems easily.
- Worst case scenario with the remaining races to be determined, Biden will still be one of the winningest, most successful Presidents of all time legislatively and now with his first term midterm elections.
- The generic, consensus polls for control of Congress were right, as those polls usually are, within a normal +/-MoE.
- Aside from those two or three 2016 battleground state EC catastrophes, the skyrocketing deficits added every year into the Trillions with absolutely nothing positive to show for it, near zero legislative accomplishments, the two Bear Market Crashes in the broad market including his 2020 Mega Bear, his creation of Trump's Pandemic and all the worldwide deaths, serious sicknesses, the massive jobs destruction, the global economic and supply-chain collapse and the inevitable hyper-inflation that followed and we are currently still dealing with, Donald J. Trump has actually been the gift to Dem electoral victories that keeps on giving.
The red wave that wasnt: 5 takeaways from a disappointing night for the GOP.
Donald Trumps favored candidates prove a drag to Republicans, running well behind others in their party.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/09/2022-election-results-analysis-and-takeaways-00065878
I did whenever you posted it and had mixed feelings about the message.
I'm disappointed with the USA and Europe. They should be pressing both sides to end this conflict. Nobody's going to come out a winner.You must be getting a fine collection in your interesting video library by now then. Hehe. At least your mind is open enough to listen to the "other side".
So you negotiate a peace based on that and stop this stupid fucking war and enough with all these dummies who have visions of victory in their head on either side. Hasn't everyone learned by now that the only winners in war these days are the weapons makers?So I think we have found some agreement that we all believe the West is acting wrong and needs to stop this 'endless war' stance. Everyone needs peace now.
And I think we can also agree that the worst liars in the public domain are the mainstream media. They always shovel their agenda on viewers, to such an extent that the news is worthless apart from to propagandise. No left or right. Just a statement of fact.
That was a long, round about post to finally have it land smack on the "Gee, you're right. I've got nothing but easily debunked opinions I pulled out of my butt" Repub reply list.
Sorry. A law passed in 1933 as part of FDR's New Deal when Democrats held the White House and the Majority in Both Houses of Congress does not count as a merciful citation of at least one single meaningful and now revered legislation promoted, fought for and passed when Republicans held the White House and the Majority in Both Houses of Congress.
I mean, Elvis, I see you put a lot of time in writing that post and I wish I had a "participation" trophy to give you for it.
But, hey, it was way off the mark. In fact, it missed the entire wall, much less the target, even less the bullseye. Surely, you can understand why it missed the mark so horribly, right?This challenge is a great challenge and exemplifies the very essence of what the Repubs have NOT DONE w/r to helping all Americans in any meaningful way, other than lower taxes for the rich and corporate cronies.
But true to form, they do love to take credit for the laws / bills Dems have passed, and make it their own, through twisted right-wing lies.
Great Challenge!
PS: Perhaps, more of these challenges should be posted?
This challenge is a great challenge and exemplifies the very essence of what the Repubs have NOT DONE w/r to helping all Americans in any meaningful way, other than lower taxes for the rich and corporate cronies.
But true to form, they do love to take credit for the laws / bills Dems have passed, and make it their own, through twisted right-wing lies.
Great Challenge!
PS: Perhaps, more of these challenges should be posted?Yes, they seem to be confusing "bipartisan" legislation that Repubs might have grudgingly voted Yes on for the sake of expedience, "me too" political advantage or perhaps, quite credibly, because they were honestly too dumb to understand what they voting for after the Dems wrote it and put it up for a vote.
When a Political Party holds the White House, the Majority in the House AND the Majority in the Senate, its time has come to step up and DO whatever the basic purpose is of that Party. That is, IF that Party has any purpose at all other than to simply gain power.
The Democratic Party has several major, meaningful and now revered pieces of legislation that they passed when they controlled all three of those elements in the Federal Government. I listed a few of them before such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Unemployment Insurance, etc, etc, etc. Hell, I'll even add the legislation Elvis mistakenly thought qualified for the challenge, the FDR New Deal-introduced Securities Act of 1933 as another Dem-produced meaningful and now revered (amended in subsequent years, of course) legislation promoted, fought for and passed when, sure enough, Dems and not Repubs held the WH and Majorities in Both Houses of Congress. Why not, as long as Elvis is impressed enough to praise it.
But Repubs didn't promote, fight for and pass that legislation in the decade prior to 1933 when THEY held the WH and Majorities in Both Houses of Congress. Oh no. Their only across-the-board contribution to it in the previous decade was crapping all over the USA economy and leading America into the Great Repub Crash and Depression that REQUIRED the Dems to produce and pass that Securities Act of 1933 in order to save American Capitalism from horrific Repub economic stewardship and results.
Again.
Now, American history would have tracked a whole helluva lot rosier over the past 100 years if the purpose of the Repub Party was ONLY to gain power. I mean, since there is zero evidence of them producing so much as a single piece of meaningful and now revered legislation when they controlled the three key elements mentioned. Sure, if they had only accepted the position of power they were blessed with when the American electorate was stupid enough to hand all of it to them and simply spend their time in power Doing Nothing, which they are highly skilled at doing.
Unfortunately, when they DO anything with that trio of legislative powers, it winds up strongly suggesting their Party's sole purpose is to produce chaos, horrific economic results, wipe out millions of USA jobs and worse.
For those of you that never access "the other side" - thru choice or ignorance, here is the alternative story of Russian atrocities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyXhwbj6_yA
You might think, why believe this BS? My media is so much more trustworthy. But when you say that you should know that you sound like a Christian arguing that your god is more beleiveable than any other god.Why indeed!
Who wouldn't trust Paul Ritter, a sex-offender and frequent feature on Sputnik and RT who's claimed (among other absurdities) that the massacre in Bucha was organized by the Ukrainians, while it was occupied by the Russians?
Great find!
They expected the wave and they gave them a trickle.
Kremlin Cronies Sent Reeling on Live TV Over U.S. Midterm Elections
The midterm elections in the United States were a hot topic in Moscow. Convinced that the red wave was coming, Russian propagandists rushed to take credit for the anticipated landslide victory that would ensure Republican majority in Congress and Senate.
On Tuesday, Russias Tucker Carlson, top propagandist Vladimir Solovyov, greeted his audience by wishing them a Happy Interference in the U.S. Election Day. Yevgeny Prigozhin, known as Putin's chef, who was indicted as part of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian election interference, likewise decided to publicly fess up to the allegations he previously denied.
This plan to discredit the U.S. elections and convince the Republicans that the mighty Kremlin hand covertly helped push them to victory had backfired. On Wednesday, state TV propagandists were scratching their heads about the wave that turned out to be but a trickle. During the broadcast of 60 Minutes, host Olga Skabeeva asked an expert: How are our guys in America? Political scientist Vladimir Kornilov clarified with a chuckle: Our Republicans.
Skabeeva exclaimed: Come out, Americans! You are being lied to! Abzalov pointed out that at least January should be fun, predicting that Republicans would attempt to impeach U.S. President Joe Biden. Skabeeva complained: They will impeach but wont be able to overthrow him. Weve seen how it went down with our friend, our comrade Donaldand it happened more than once.
Skabeeva went on: We keep worrying about our guys, their results should have been better than this..."
In addition to Russias mounting disappointments in the electoral battles of the United States, their invasion of Ukraine keeps going from bad to worse. During Tuesdays broadcast of 60 Minutes, host Olga Skabeeva said, Things are difficult. Nonetheless, we have to win on our ownits official. Republicans can hardly help us to retain the Kherson region or the city of Kherson. On Wednesday, Russian troops retreated from the area.
Host Vladimir Solovyov started Wednesdays broadcast of The Evening With Vladimir Solovyov by grimly noting: Weve been planning an entirely different program tonight. We were going to talk about American elections, but then we got the news from Kherson.
Nonetheless, in the minds of the Kremlins propagandists, its all connected. Solovyov speculated that if the withdrawal was announced just one day earlier, it might have helped Biden and the Democrats: The withdrawal was announced after Nov. 8, on Nov. 9, so it wouldnt influence the U.S. elections.
Or, rather, Don't. Mess. With. Sleepy Joe Brandon.
A few random thoughts, more later after the dust settles:
- Had pro Repub Bothsiders like Bill Maher and others in typically pro Mainstream Media not worked so hard to suppress the Dem vote right up until hours before election day, the House and Senate seats still on a knife's edge would have gone to the Dems easily.
- Worst case scenario with the remaining races to be determined, Biden will still be one of the winningest, most successful Presidents of all time legislatively and now with his first term midterm elections.
- The generic, consensus polls for control of Congress were right, as those polls usually are, within a normal +/-MoE.
- Aside from those two or three 2016 battleground state EC catastrophes, the skyrocketing deficits added every year into the Trillions with absolutely nothing positive to show for it, near zero legislative accomplishments, the two Bear Market Crashes in the broad market including his 2020 Mega Bear, his creation of Trump's Pandemic and all the worldwide deaths, serious sicknesses, the massive jobs destruction, the global economic and supply-chain collapse and the inevitable hyper-inflation that followed and we are currently still dealing with, Donald J. Trump has actually been the gift to Dem electoral victories that keeps on giving.
The red wave that wasn't: 5 takeaways from a disappointing night for the GOP.
Donald Trumps favored candidates prove a drag to Republicans, running well behind others in their party.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/09/2022-election-results-analysis-and-takeaways-00065878I responded to some bozo on FB who asked (and I am paraphrasing) "How could it have gone so badly for Repubs?
My answer was, in effect, "Because you kept breathing your own exhaust". The Repubs wanted a "red wave". All of their pollsters predicted a "red wave". They were too stupid to know the difference between calm, measured leadership (Biden) and chaos (Donnie the Dumbass and the rest of the Republican party).
The Repubs found out, thankfully, that the majority of Americans don't want to turn the clock back to the 1850's. The Repubs found out that the majority of Americans do not believe that anything further left than shooting people of color for sport is "socialist".
Intelligent discussion about new evidence that COVID was a lab leak, and more evidence that the state controlled media and science community buries the truth bcos it is too painful to confront.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5gNn5c9kzo
Elvis 2008
11-10-22, 16:49
So I think we have found some agreement that we all believe the West is acting wrong and needs to stop this 'endless war' stance. Everyone needs peace now.
It looks like Russia winning this war is done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbl1v_4vqbA.
So the whole dumb notion that the Russians are going to be at the English Channel in two weeks is done now.
Now the question for Americans is are we going to pay for the arms so Ukraine can take back the Donbas region. To me, we demand that these nations negotiate a peace in good faith before doing so. If the Russians balk at doing so, then sure we give the Ukrainians more arms.
The anti-Putin nuts will say you cannot trust Putin. Well, given he has nuclear weapons, you have to. If Ukraine gets the crazy idea to keep going to Moscow, Putin will launch nukes and not just in Ukraine but Ukraine's suppliers in the USA and Europe.
Elvis 2008
11-10-22, 18:18
So I think we have found some agreement that we all believe the West is acting wrong and needs to stop this 'endless war' stance. Everyone needs peace now.By the way, TK, Biden has the chance to be a real hero here and negotiate a peace. If he can end the war, oil prices will probably come down. The potential famines due to a loss of Russian fertilizer can be kept at bay. He can say he beat Putin and put the Russian bear in its cage.
Tooms is doing cartwheels right now because the market is way up. The inflation number was lower than expected but that was last month's data. Filling the tank of my diesel car yesterday was a multidecade high. The federal reserve has said that it needs months of data to change course but the market is acting like the Fed is done even though they have said time and again they are not done.
So I am watching CNBC and my favorite technical analysis person Katie Stockton comes on. She says the S&P 500 will go from 3700 to 4100 and the Ten year treasuries will go from 4. 1 to around 3. 2 percent which is fabulous news for most Americans and for Tooms.
I sold half my shorts in mid October, and I am looking to get back into them. So I am actually happy that in the coming weeks, I can reenter my positions at a lower cost basis. And Ms. Stockton has said rates will go up to 5. 5% and the S&P 500 will hit 3200 afterwards. Given where interest rates are, I still think the market is overvalued.
What these dumb Dems do not get is how inflationary this war is. We are printing billions out of thin air to buy weapons and taking Russian oil, natural gas, and fertilizer off line has led to an explosion in the the prices of gasoline / diesel, energy, and food.
So I hope Biden recognizes that and sees what a good hand he has been dealt and played those cards. If he does, my shorting may be done.
Thing is TK, Biden is a bully, and it is not enough for him IMO to put the Russian bear in the cage. He has to slit its throat. What I mean is Biden wants regime change in Russia, I. E. Putin out of power, and we have done regime changes before and they have been disasters.
I hope I am wrong, but in the words of President Obama, "Do not underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up. ".
By the way, TK, Biden has the chance to be a real hero here and negotiate a peace. If he can end the war, oil prices will probably come down.
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What these dumb Dems do not get is how inflationary this war is. We are printing billions out of thin air to buy weapons and taking Russian oil, natural gas, and fertilizer off line has led to an explosion in the the prices of gasoline / diesel, energy, and food.
So I hope Biden recognizes that and sees what a good hand he has been dealt and played those cards. If he does, my shorting may be done. ... While Ukraine / Russia's situation has and does impact some of the inflationary woes we're seeing around the world, I think it has more to do with corporate greed, more so than anything. The fact we're seeing record profits and greedy corporations, taking every advance of price gouging Americans, at every turn, simply for shareholder excessive profits, is alarming and egregious.
Couple that with a politicized right-wing Trump appointed Fed, that is unnecessarily hiking rates at break-neck, light-speed efforts, which only serve to undermine an otherwise balanced economy, and a great ardent and successful administrative job, Biden has done.
Rep Katie Porter destroys inflation myth. Watch her prove that corporate greed's driving inflation. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/10/18/2129869/-Rep-Katie-Porter-destroys-inflation-myth-Watch-her-prove-that-corporate-greed-s-driving-inflation
"When the Biden administration said inflation would be transitory, the only mistake was not saying transitory absent evil corporate greed raising its head. We recently got out of a pandemic. Corporations knew Americans had a few bucks banked from not spending as much during a pandemic, plus having received some stimuli. ... "
Elvis 2008
11-11-22, 01:35
While Ukraine / Russia's situation has and does impact some of the inflationary woes we're seeing around the world, I think it has more to do with corporate greed, more so than anything. The fact we're seeing record profits and greedy corporations, taking every advance of price gouging Americans, at every turn, simply for shareholder excessive profits, is alarming and egregious. The censorship troll blocked my last post. Thanks for listing your source of that bird brained notion that corporate profits are going up. When Dems want to say 200 is greater than 250 or Republicans made up the word inflation, 2024 is more of a Republcan lock.
Couple that with a politicized right-wing Trump appointed Fed, that is unnecessarily hiking rates at break-neck, light-speed efforts, which only serve to undermine an otherwise balanced economy, and a great ardent and successful administrative job, Biden has done.
OMG. Spidy. Turn off the MSNBC and move to to CNBC. Learn something. Half of what they talk about is what the Fed is doing and why. Then let me know when the subject of the Fed screwing Biden over comes up because it has not come up. Not once.
Elvis 2008
11-11-22, 02:49
I responded to some bozo on FB who asked (and I am paraphrasing) "How could it have gone so badly for Repubs?
My answer was, in effect, "Because you kept breathing your own exhaust". The Repubs wanted a "red wave". All of their pollsters predicted a "red wave". They were too stupid to know the difference between calm, measured leadership (Biden) and chaos (Donnie the Dumbass and the rest of the Republican party).
The Repubs found out, thankfully, that the majority of Americans don't want to turn the clock back to the 1850's. The Repubs found out that the majority of Americans do not believe that anything further left than shooting people of color for sport is "socialist".I am happy with the results. Gridlock has been achieved. Hunter Biden is finally going to be investigated.
And these stupid 1-6 claims will go down in flames. I cannot come up with a better scenario than what is happening in Arizona where apparently they cannot get simple voting machines to work nor count quickly. The person in charge of this election process, and you cannot make this shit up, is the Democrat running for US Senate. The nation of Brazil takes in hundreds of millions of votes and results are spit out in 3 hours, yet Arizona takes weeks for a fraction of that many. Gee, I wonder why.
And the Dem solution for this horrific affront to Democracy is censorship and tossing people in jail who question the vote. What is your excuse now PVM? Please tell me why the mess in Arizona is somehow the fault of Republicans. Are you dumb Dems going to throw more people in jail again who question this shit?
The feeling among Republicans was that Trump was the only one who could stop the banana Republic Democrats who are constantly corrupting the DOJ to win elections, but it is worse than that. We saw the NIH and CDC were worse than the FBI was and Desantis stood up to them.
I could care less about Pelosi or Schumer. Our enemy are the bureaucrats who have convinced Dems they are their friends. I cannot think of a more evil lot than Fauci, Comey, Strzok, Clapper, Rosenstein, and Brennan. The gutless modern pol has thrown decision making to the supposedly apolitical bureaucrats. Well, we know they are not apolitical.
Trump has the money to fight the bureaucrats but he also has his skeletons. His candidates, Dr. Oz and Herschel Walker (really? Have or will be going down in flames.
I was hopeful that Trump would be respectful of DeSantis and praise him. Give the voters the rare choice of having two good candidates versus the usual pissing match. Bur Trump had to be Trump and called Desantis desanctimonious and bragged about how far ahead he was in the polls.
And the betting futures, which were tied, have shifted markedly for Desantis. https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7053/Who-will-win-the-2024-Republican-presidential-nomination.
2022 showed Republicans how to win in 2024, and that way is not with Trump. The path to victory in 2024 was muddied but today it could not be more clear.
I responded to some bozo on FB who asked (and I am paraphrasing) "How could it have gone so badly for Repubs?
My answer was, in effect, "Because you kept breathing your own exhaust". The Repubs wanted a "red wave". All of their pollsters predicted a "red wave". They were too stupid to know the difference between calm, measured leadership (Biden) and chaos (Donnie the Dumbass and the rest of the Republican party).
The Repubs found out, thankfully, that the majority of Americans don't want to turn the clock back to the 1850's. The Repubs found out that the majority of Americans do not believe that anything further left than shooting people of color for sport is "socialist".Actually, I can't be so thankful about something that has yet to be shown in the Repub Party agenda. Sure, they want OFF the "Trump Train" because they are beginning to get the vague idea that he is a blowhard, know nothing, constant failure, blatantly obvious con man who has only sold them electoral losses since his one lucky break in capitalizing on the pro Repub rigged Electoral College system in 2-3 states back in 2016.
I mean, they are juuust beginning to figure that out. Lolol.
But there is zero evidence Repubs have changed their mind and agenda to wipe out millions of jobs and destroy the USA economy whenever the electorate is distracted, careless or stupid enough to give them the slightest opportunity to do it.
By the way, TK, Biden has the chance to be a real hero here and negotiate a peace. If he can end the war, oil prices will probably come down. The potential famines due to a loss of Russian fertilizer can be kept at bay. He can say he beat Putin and put the Russian bear in its cage.
Tooms is doing cartwheels right now because the market is way up. The inflation number was lower than expected but that was last month's data. Filling the tank of my diesel car yesterday was a multidecade high. The federal reserve has said that it needs months of data to change course but the market is acting like the Fed is done even though they have said time and again they are not done.
So I am watching CNBC and my favorite technical analysis person Katie Stockton comes on. She says the S&P 500 will go from 3700 to 4100 and the Ten year treasuries will go from 4. 1 to around 3. 2 percent which is fabulous news for most Americans and for Tooms.
I sold half my shorts in mid October, and I am looking to get back into them. So I am actually happy that in the coming weeks, I can reenter my positions at a lower cost basis. And Ms. Stockton has said rates will go up to 5. 5% and the S&P 500 will hit 3200 afterwards. Given where interest rates are, I still think the market is overvalued.
What these dumb Dems do not get is how inflationary this war is. We are printing billions out of thin air to buy weapons and taking Russian oil, natural gas, and fertilizer off line has led to an explosion in the the prices of gasoline / diesel, energy, and food.
So I hope Biden recognizes that and sees what a good hand he has been dealt and played those cards. If he does, my shorting may be done.
Thing is TK, Biden is a bully, and it is not enough for him IMO to put the Russian bear in the cage. He has to slit its throat. What I mean is Biden wants regime change in Russia, I. E. Putin out of power, and we have done regime changes before and they have been disasters.
I hope I am wrong, but in the words of President Obama, "Do not underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up. ".I have not looked at my portfolio in weeks if not months. And then only because I got an email from Vanguard to log on and show signs of life every now and then so they won't assume I have dearly departed and start distributing it to my beneficiaries.
My months ago prognostication is unchanged that the S&P 500 Index will probably be tickling around the 5,000 range by mid 2023 if not the end of this year.
I agree that the market is looking for more certainty that the Fed will no longer raise Fed Funds rates before it stops retesting the, was it June, lows and head to new all-time closing highs.
IMO, it is Fed dithering about if or by how much to raise those rates that has kept the market as measured by the S&P below previous highs and trading within a range somewhere between a normal Correction and only marginally into Bear Market territory. And it took a prolonged Trump's Pandemic Hyper-Inflation, a massive East Coast Hurricane and the historically worst month of the year for stocks, September, to momentarily get it down there.
That kind of range trading can go on for months, as long as the Fed keeps dithering over the rates. The same thing happened for about 15-18 months in 2015 - 2016 and for the same reason.
It hasn't much if anything to do with yield curves, deficit spending or any of that other junk.
While Ukraine / Russia's situation has and does impact some of the inflationary woes we're seeing around the world, I think it has more to do with corporate greed, more so than anything. The fact we're seeing record profits and greedy corporations, taking every advance of price gouging Americans, at every turn, simply for shareholder excessive profits, is alarming and egregious.
Couple that with a politicized right-wing Trump appointed Fed, that is unnecessarily hiking rates at break-neck, light-speed efforts, which only serve to undermine an otherwise balanced economy, and a great ardent and successful administrative job, Biden has done.
Rep Katie Porter destroys inflation myth. Watch her prove that corporate greed's driving inflation. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/10/18/2129869/-Rep-Katie-Porter-destroys-inflation-myth-Watch-her-prove-that-corporate-greed-s-driving-inflationTrump's Pandemic Supply-Chain Destruction was certainly the trigger and main cause of the recent hyper-inflation around the world.
After that it is definitely industries using that as a cover for jacking up prices for windfall profits. And, how convenient for them, they also have a related excuse not to hire back the millions of workers Trump provided them the reason to lay off. "boo hoo, no money for that. The evil Dems want to raise the wages we pay from Dirt to Just Enough to pay their rent. Whoever we didn't lay off in Trump's Great Repub Recession will just have to work harder or get canned".
That's why there is almost nothing an elected official can do about Inflation.
I am happy with the results. Gridlock has been achieved. Hunter Biden is finally going to be investigated.
And these stupid 1-6 claims will go down in flames. I cannot come up with a better scenario than what is happening in Arizona where apparently they cannot get simple voting machines to work nor count quickly. The person in charge of this election process, and you cannot make this shit up, is the Democrat running for US Senate. The nation of Brazil takes in hundreds of millions of votes and results are spit out in 3 hours, yet Arizona takes weeks for a fraction of that many. Gee, I wonder why.
And the Dem solution for this horrific affront to Democracy is censorship and tossing people in jail who question the vote. What is your excuse now PVM? Please tell me why the mess in Arizona is somehow the fault of Republicans. Are you dumb Dems going to throw more people in jail again who question this shit?
The feeling among Republicans was that Trump was the only one who could stop the banana Republic Democrats who are constantly corrupting the DOJ to win elections, but it is worse than that. We saw the NIH and CDC were worse than the FBI was and Desantis stood up to them.
I could care less about Pelosi or Schumer. Our enemy are the bureaucrats who have convinced Dems they are their friends. I cannot think of a more evil lot than Fauci, Comey, Strzok, Clapper, Rosenstein, and Brennan. The gutless modern pol has thrown decision making to the supposedly apolitical bureaucrats. Well, we know they are not apolitical.
Trump has the money to fight the bureaucrats but he also has his skeletons. His candidates, Dr. Oz and Herschel Walker (really? Have or will be going down in flames.
I was hopeful that Trump would be respectful of DeSantis and praise him. Give the voters the rare choice of having two good candidates versus the usual pissing match. Bur Trump had to be Trump and called Desantis desanctimonious and bragged about how far ahead he was in the polls.
And the betting futures, which were tied, have shifted markedly for Desantis. https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7053/Who-will-win-the-2024-Republican-presidential-nomination.
2022 showed Republicans how to win in 2024, and that way is not with Trump. The path to victory in 2024 was muddied but today it could not be more clear.Anybody with an ounce of common sense could have taken 15-seconds, done an internet search and come up with this article: https://www.azmirror.com/2022/11/10/why-arizonas-ballot-count-takes-longer-than-floridas/ as to why the Arizona vote count is taking so long. But you, a founding member of the Moron Brigade, have chosen to ignore all of that, haven't you. You ignored the fact that REPUBLICANS told voters to drop off their mail-in ballots on election day so that the "deep state" wouldn't have an idea how many Democrats voters had already voted and make it harder for Dems to cheat. What utter nonsense. But that's Repubs for you. They've never met a conspiracy theory they didn't embrace.
You mention Brazil and pose a Carlson-esque "Gee, I wonder why. " If you would have taken another 15-seconds, you'd have found this https://theintercept.com/2018/11/07/the-remarkable-participation-and-efficiency-of-brazils-elections-proves-how-shameful-and-deliberate-is-the-chaos-and-suppression-in-the-u-s/ and this https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/31/brazil-elections-vote-count-united-states/ and this https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/10/world/americas/brazil-election-fraud.html But here we have moronic counties in Arizona wanting to use paper ballots and count them by hand. Who runs those counties? You guessed it. REPUBLICANS.
And while Katie Hobbs is the current Sec. Of State in Arizona, guess who had control of the Legislature. That's right! REPUBLICANS. Who wrote the cockamamie laws that Katie Hobbs has to enforce? That's right! REPUBLICANS. And guess who told their voters to wait till election day to drop off their mail-in ballots? That's right! REPUBLICANS.
And, BTW, nobody gets thrown in jail for questioning election results. But they do get their law licenses pulled for falsely claiming fraud, don't they, Rudy? And they get sued for billions by falsely claiming fraud, don't they PillowGuy?
And where is the "red wave" that you've been crowing about for the past 2 years? Where are the 60-seat House gains? Where is the veto-proof Senate majority? You've been crowing about how bad the Dems were going to get beaten BADLY for the past 2 years. Your "red wave" looks more like the "pink trickle". The thing you get when you wash your clan robe with your MAGA hat.
The censorship troll blocked my last post. Thanks for listing your source of that bird brained notion that corporate profits are going up. When Dems want to say 200 is greater than 250 or Republicans made up the word inflation, 2024 is more of a Republcan lock.
OMG. Spidy. Turn off the MSNBC and move to to CNBC. Learn something. Half of what they talk about is what the Fed is doing and why. Then let me know when the subject of the Fed screwing Biden over comes up because it has not come up. Not once.Once again, you have chosen to come up with some cockamamie bird-brained statement instead of looking for the truth. But, to a member of the Moron Brigade, truth is really "alternative truth".
"In short, the rise in inflation has not been driven by anything that looks like an overheating labor market—instead it has been driven by higher corporate profit margins and supply-chain bottlenecks. " https://www.epi.org/blog/corporate-profits-have-contributed-disproportionately-to-inflation-how-should-policymakers-respond/.
I am happy with the results. Gridlock has been achieved. Hunter Biden is finally going to be investigated.
And these stupid 1-6 claims will go down in flames. I cannot come up with a better scenario than what is happening in Arizona where apparently they cannot get simple voting machines to work nor count quickly. The person in charge of this election process, and you cannot make this shit up, is the Democrat running for US Senate. The nation of Brazil takes in hundreds of millions of votes and results are spit out in 3 hours, yet Arizona takes weeks for a fraction of that many. Gee, I wonder why.
And the Dem solution for this horrific affront to Democracy is censorship and tossing people in jail who question the vote. What is your excuse now PVM? Please tell me why the mess in Arizona is somehow the fault of Republicans. Are you dumb Dems going to throw more people in jail again who question this shit?
The feeling among Republicans was that Trump was the only one who could stop the banana Republic Democrats who are constantly corrupting the DOJ to win elections, but it is worse than that. We saw the NIH and CDC were worse than the FBI was and Desantis stood up to them.
I could care less about Pelosi or Schumer. Our enemy are the bureaucrats who have convinced Dems they are their friends. I cannot think of a more evil lot than Fauci, Comey, Strzok, Clapper, Rosenstein, and Brennan. The gutless modern pol has thrown decision making to the supposedly apolitical bureaucrats. Well, we know they are not apolitical.
Trump has the money to fight the bureaucrats but he also has his skeletons. His candidates, Dr. Oz and Herschel Walker (really? Have or will be going down in flames.
I was hopeful that Trump would be respectful of DeSantis and praise him. Give the voters the rare choice of having two good candidates versus the usual pissing match. Bur Trump had to be Trump and called Desantis desanctimonious and bragged about how far ahead he was in the polls.
And the betting futures, which were tied, have shifted markedly for Desantis. https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7053/Who-will-win-the-2024-Republican-presidential-nomination.
2022 showed Republicans how to win in 2024, and that way is not with Trump. The path to victory in 2024 was muddied but today it could not be more clear.Uh. The (vote / election) Recorder for Maricopa County, the Arizona county with hundreds of thousands of ballots to count, is Stephen Richer, a Republican:.
https://ballotpedia.org/Stephen_Richer
Why is the midterm vote count taking so long in some US states?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/10/when-midterm-results-timings-arizona-nevada-georgia-final-why-taking-so-long
To understand why that is, you have to zoom in to Maricopa county, which covers the state capital, Phoenix. It contains 60% of all votes in Arizona and is the second largest voting jurisdiction in the nation.
The number of people who vote early has increased dramatically since the pandemic. This year Maricopa county also saw a surge in the number of early ballots that were dropped off on election day they are known as late earlies rising to 290,000, the largest number in the states history and 100,000 more than in 2020.
Each early ballot has to be verified to check that the voters signature matches the signature in the voter rolls, and after that is done it is sent to a bipartisan panel for approval and processing. That all takes time, as we are witnessing.
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Stephen Richer, who is the recorder of Maricopa county, said that after the dust settles we will likely want to have a policy conversation about which we value more: convenience of dropping off early ballots on election day or higher percentage of returns with 24 hours of election night.Yep, apparently, some people can make this shit up.
You did.
While Ukraine / Russia's situation has and does impact some of the inflationary woes we're seeing around the world, I think it has more to do with corporate greed, more so than anything. The fact we're seeing record profits and greedy corporations, taking every advance of price gouging Americans, at every turn, simply for shareholder excessive profits, is alarming and egregious.
Couple that with a politicized right-wing Trump appointed Fed, that is unnecessarily hiking rates at break-neck, light-speed efforts, which only serve to undermine an otherwise balanced economy, and a great ardent and successful administrative job, Biden has done.
Rep Katie Porter destroys inflation myth. Watch her prove that corporate greed's driving inflation. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/10/18/2129869/-Rep-Katie-Porter-destroys-inflation-myth-Watch-her-prove-that-corporate-greed-s-driving-inflationWith Democratic Politicians and left-of-center mainstream media bombarding us with those fallacies daily, it's no wonder you believe that.
Corporate profits from the 2Q 2021 to the 2Q 2022 were up $219 billion, or 7.8%. That was less than the 9.1% YoY CPI inflation at June 30,2022. And the $219 billion only accounted for 0.94% (less than 1% for the mathematically challenged) of GDP. Corporate greed and excess profits thus did not account for a significant part of the inflation we've seen over the last year.
I believe only Fed governors are appointed by the executive branch. And only two, Michelle W. Bowman and Christopher J. Waller, were appointed governors during Republican administrations. The other five governors, including the Chair, Jerome Powell and the Vice Chair, Lael Brainard, were appointed governors during Democratic Administrations.
YoY CPI inflation increased from 1. 7% in February, 2021, before the the government started sending out stimulus checks as required by the Democrats' $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan (ARP), to 5.4% in June, 2021. Now what do you think the reaction of the Democratic Party politicians would have been if the Fed had aggressively used monetary policy to counteract the excessive fiscal stimulus from the ARP? Maybe by raising interest rates in lockstep with inflation, to 5. 5%? There would be hell to pay. None of the governors would have been reappointed when their terms were up, if a Democrat were in the White House.
As to Katie Porter, please note that she's highlighting an increase in corporate profits, from the 2Q 2020, the depths of the pandemic induced recession. Yes, of course corporate profits went up a lot. As a result, the stock market went up a lot too. Democratic politicians, you and some other board members are only too happy to give Biden and the Democrats 100% of the credit for higher stock prices, increased employment, and a higher GDP, that resulted from the rebound from the recession.
Biden's following in Porter's footsteps, by blaming the evil oil companies for the run up in gasoline prices, and putting an albatross around their neck so they'd pump less oil and gas, and then taking credit for the decline in gasoline prices, which had nothing to do with his policies.
I am happy with the results. Gridlock has been achieved. Me too, assuming Republicans control the House.
2022 showed Republicans how to win in 2024, and that way is not with Trump. The path to victory in 2024 was muddied but today it could not be more clear.Agreed.
Elvis 2008
11-11-22, 21:30
My months ago prognostication is unchanged that the S&P 500 Index will probably be tickling around the 5,000 range by mid 2023 if not the end of this year.HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! You are killing me Tooms. Please tell me you are serious.
It hasn't much if anything to do with yield curves, deficit spending or any of that other junk.Inverted yield curves signal recession, and it is the market not the Fed doing that. When the 2 year treasury bill or bond pays more interest than the 10 year, that means the bond market is betting on a recession in the next 2 years. That you think you are smarter than the whole bond market is not a shocker to me at all.
What does set price are earnings and the ratio of earnings to the price. What you still do not get is the logic behind the rule of 21. That rules says that when interest rates are 8%, a fair PE is 13, and eight and thirteen added are 21. I do not agree with that. I think a fair PE for 8% interest rates is 10 not 13 but I digress.
I also do not agree with a PE of 17 for the S&P 500 in this market even though that is its historical average. Some are saying that is the right number with current interest rates as it equals close to 21. But even if you use that ratio, you have to get to $333 in earnings to get to $5000.
And you just said your head is in the sand with regards to your investment, and I agree with that. You would have to have your head in the sand to ignore all the corporate projections that directly contradict your rosy belief. So yeah, you ignore corporate earnings calls and the bond market.
And you ignore history too. The last year S&P earnings were $192. In fact, they have NEVER been over $200 let alone $300. https://ycharts.com/indicators/sandp_500_earnings.
Yeah, I know none of that matters. All that matters is Biden is president. SMH.
Elvis 2008
11-11-22, 21:37
I believe only Fed governors are appointed by the executive branch. And only two, Michelle W. Bowman and Christopher J. Waller, were appointed governors during Republican administrations. The other five governors, including the Chair, Jerome Powell and the Vice Chair, Lael Brainard, were appointed governors during Democratic Administrations.
YoY CPI inflation increased from 1. 7% in February, 2021, before the the government started sending out stimulus checks as required by the Democrats' $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan (ARP), to 5.4% in June, 2021. Now what do you think the reaction of the Democratic Party politicians would have been if the Fed had aggressively used monetary policy to counteract the excessive fiscal stimulus from the ARP? Maybe by raising interest rates in lockstep with inflation, to 5. 5%? There would be hell to pay. None of the governors would have been reappointed when their terms were up, if a Democrat were in the White House.
As to Katie Porter, please note that she's highlighting an increase in corporate profits, from the 2Q 2020, the depths of the pandemic induced recession. Yes, of course corporate profits went up a lot. As a result, the stock market went up a lot too. Democratic politicians, you and some other board members are only too happy to give Biden and the Democrats 100% of the credit for higher stock prices, increased employment, and a higher GDP, that resulted from the rebound from the recession.
Biden's following in Porter's footsteps, by blaming the evil oil companies for the run up in gasoline prices, and putting an albatross around their neck so they'd pump less oil and gas, and then taking credit for the decline in gasoline prices, which had nothing to do with his policies.That is 100% factually correct. It speaks volumes to me that Democrats applaud a higher stock market while demonizing corporate profits as if they are unrelated.
But do you think your factually correct statements change their minds? My bet is no. Being a Democrat means not caring about how something becomes good or bad but taking credit for anything perceived to be good.
Elvis 2008
11-11-22, 21:53
Sure, they want OFF the "Trump Train" because they are beginning to get the vague idea that he is a blowhard, know nothing, constant failure, blatantly obvious con man who has only sold them electoral losses since his one lucky break in capitalizing on the pro Repub rigged Electoral College system in 2-3 states back in 2016.
I mean, they are juuust beginning to figure that out.Nope, Trump was an egoist gunning for personal popularity that he did many things that we approved of: lowering taxes, securing the border, questioning defense spending, bringing attention to and trying to curb the deep state. Let's call the Russiagate fiasco what it was: treason. And to all you Democratic douches crying about how 1-6 happened? I have one word for you, Russiagate. No Russiagate, no 1-6. Furthermore, he was wealthy enough to not fall for the siren song of lobbyists unlike so many other pols who will do anything for a buck.
It is not Trump's politics we are abandoning but his management style. Desantis is just as tough as Trump but not as abrasive. Desantis stood up to authoritarianism dressed up like health care and Trump did not. In the end, all the governors followed his lead. If you think your boy Newsome lifted Covid restrictions because of health purposes, I have a bridge to sell you. Time after time, studies showed open Florida did not have significantly more disease than closed California. Today we still have Covid numbers that are as bad as when lockdowns were in place. The end of lockdowns and all the other crap was because courageous men like Desantis showed lockdowns and closing the economy did no good at all but caused a lot of harm.
If that fucker Fauci had his way, we would still be all locked down and waiting breathlessly for him to say when it would end. That guy was as big an attention ho as Trump.
Nope, nope, nope and, well, probably nope but who knows and who cares.
Nope, Trump was an egoist gunning for personal popularity that he did many things that we approved of: lowering taxes, securing the border, questioning defense spending, bringing attention to and trying to curb the deep state. Let's call the Russiagate fiasco what it was: treason. And to all you Democratic douches crying about how 1-6 happened? I have one word for you, Russiagate. No Russiagate, no 1-6. Furthermore, he was wealthy enough to not fall for the siren song of lobbyists unlike so many other pols who will do anything for a buck.
It is not Trump's politics we are abandoning but his management style. Desantis is just as tough as Trump but not as abrasive. Desantis stood up to authoritarianism dressed up like health care and Trump did not. In the end, all the governors followed his lead. If you think your boy Newsome lifted Covid restrictions because of health purposes, I have a bridge to sell you. Time after time, studies showed open Florida did not have significantly more disease than closed California."Lowering taxes."
It's what you keep that matters, right?
And this was before his disastrous economic decisions wiped out millions upon millions of USA jobs and triggered global supply-chain destruction hyper-inflation:
Trump's claims on income growth challenged by data, 'wage trap'
Nov. 12, 2019
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trumps-claims-on-income-growth-challenged-by-data-wage-trap-225058764.html
Yet as several observers pointed out, official government data does not back up Trumps claims. According to Census Bureau figures, median household income rose $1,601 from 2017 to 2018. That gain lagged gains seen during the tenures of both Obama and Bush."securing the border".
Fact Check: Is the U.S.-Mexico Border More Secure Than Ever, as Trump Says?
1/13/21
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-us-mexico-border-more-secure-ever-trump-says-1561303
When determining the safety of the Southern border, most reports look at apprehensions and encounters at the entry points by Border Patrol agents as well as crime data.
The number of Border Patrol apprehensions at the Southwest border has fluctuated over Trump's term. The 2017 fiscal year number was 303,916, the lowest since the fiscal year 1971, according to Customs and Border Patrol CBP. This led the Department of Homeland Security to boast that "the southwest land border is more difficult to illegally cross today than ever before."
However, in the 2018 and 2019 fiscal years, there were large increases in apprehensions to 396,579 and 851,508, respectively.
According to CBP, the number of total enforcement actions from Border Patrol and the Office of Field Operations, including the deportation of people deemed inadmissible under asylum laws, surpassed 1.1 million in 2019. This number decreased by nearly 500,000 in the following fiscal year.."questioning defense spending".
Trumps Gargantuan Military Budget Is Full of It
This $740.5 billion proposal is wildly irresponsible and misleading.
Feb. 12, 2020
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/trump-military-budget-defense-740-billion-analysis.html
President Donald Trumps $740.5 billion military budget, which he submitted to Congress on Monday, is only a hair larger than the current years budget, but it is still the largest since World War II (even adjusting for inflation), and its even more notable for what it emphasizes: building more nuclear weapons, preparing for exotic flavors of warfare, and expanding Americas global military presence.Apparently, his only question was whether to increase that spending to the largest since WWII or "of all time."
"curb the deep state".
Whatever that means. As near as anyone can tell, Trumpsters love it when Trump refers to USA law enforcement agencies civil servants as "losers" and "scum."
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! You are killing me Tooms. Please tell me you are serious.
Inverted yield curves signal recession, and it is the market not the Fed doing that. When the 2 year treasury bill or bond pays more interest than the 10 year, that means the bond market is betting on a recession in the next 2 years. That you think you are smarter than the whole bond market is not a shocker to me at all.
What does set price are earnings and the ratio of earnings to the price. What you still do not get is the logic behind the rule of 21. That rules says that when interest rates are 8%, a fair PE is 13, and eight and thirteen added are 21. I do not agree with that. I think a fair PE for 8% interest rates is 10 not 13 but I digress.
I also do not agree with a PE of 17 for the S&P 500 in this market even though that is its historical average. Some are saying that is the right number with current interest rates as it equals close to 21. But even if you use that ratio, you have to get to $333 in earnings to get to $5000.
And you just said your head is in the sand with regards to your investment, and I agree with that. You would have to have your head in the sand to ignore all the corporate projections that directly contradict your rosy belief. So yeah, you ignore corporate earnings calls and the bond market..What recession?
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I am happy with the results. Gridlock has been achieved.Me too, assuming Republicans control the House.
Elvis2008 -
2022 showed Republicans how to win in 2024, and that way is not with Trump. The path to victory in 2024 was muddied but today it could not be more clear.Agreed.No president in modern history faced more potential Gridlock in his first two years in office than Sleepy Joe Brandon.
Sure, Moscow Mitch got a vow from his Senate Repubs and the ones in the House to obstruct, slow walk or thwart every effort by incoming Barack Obama and his Dems to pull us out of another horrific Great Repub Crash and Recession and accomplish a Great Dem Recovery and more. Which Obama overcame in historic fashion. But in case you hadn't noticed neither Moscow Mitch nor his counterparts in the House have rescinded and abandoned that near unanimous unified Repub mission. With the added feature of Biden being handed an actual, bloody, violent, cop-killing insurrection against the whole damn country, not just the Dems, led by the still current leader of the Repub Party!
Biden had a mere 5 Dem seat advantage in the House. The rest were America-hating, Dem-hating QAnon Repub loons. He had 47 Dems and 1 Independent on his side in the Senate. The rest were Sinema, Manchin and 50 America-hating, Dem-hating QAnon Repub loons.
Yet he still managed to accomplish more positive legislation, many bipartisan, and positive results for America in these first two years than ANY POTUS of the past 80 years minimum including this current historic first midterm election result.
Biden is a razor sharp, calm, reasoned and seasoned professional who knows WTF he is doing and how to do it. Not a deeply in debt, failed former reality game show host.
So if it turns out to be House Speaker McCarthy, House Speaker Gohmert, House Speaker Marjorie Taylor Greene or whatever other Do Nothing, Know Nothing, QAnon Repub Loon they decide should be the face and voice of a Repub House Majority, it is doubtful they will get any more done than Gingrich did when he took that job. Which was virtually NOTHING other than trying (but failing) to prevent Clinton from enacting the Welfare Reform Plan he ran on in 1992 and trying (but failing) to destroy the USA economy that was already recovering from the previous Repub Recession months and months before Gingrich took over in January 1995.
Instead, the only thing Gingrich accomplished before getting his ass handed to him on the way out so the screen door wouldn't smack it, was sniff around Clinton's dick and balls to find out where they've been. So I guess that is where Hunter Biden's dick and balls will come in handy for a potential new Repub House Majority. They do love younger and juicer dicks and balls to sniff around for years and might not be so interested in Biden's. But you never know with those wide-stance, foot tapping in the Mens Room stalls Repubs.
And I hate to break it to you, but Trump didn't invent the current Repub Party. The classic Repub Party of the past 100 years or more invented Trump. Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan and both Bushes ALL would have voted for and made the exact same disastrous decisions Trump did if they had been faced with them. MittWitt Romney and, yes, even Liz Cheney would vote for the exact same disastrous economic policies as Trump did and as Herschel Walker would!
The point of that being the half century Repub mission to overturn Roe v Wade and outlaw Sex For Pleasure was not a one-off. Oh no. We will see two years of House Speaker Louie Gohmert rapping his gavel, probably on his own empty noggin, trying to overturn Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Unemployment Insurance, The Affordable Care Act, The Chips Act, The Infrastructure Act, etc, etc, etc. Along the way they will try to "Covid Closure" the entire USA government if they don't get their way.
They don't need Trump for that.
And if you think Repubs behaving that way for the next two years will tee-up a wonderful advantage for Trump or Trump Without the Flash DeSantis to sweep the same states who rejected Repubs so historically this time around, good luck with that.
Yeah, I know Gingrich's Party candidate did squeak out a Repub Supreme Court award to become a so-called potus despite losing the American Electorate Vote by more than a half million in a subsequent Presidential Election. But we're not dealing with the greatest political scandal of the day being some guy getting a rather crappy blowjob from a consenting adult and trying to keep the lady's privacy intact by not blabbing about it in a public deposition for which that was an utterly immaterial and irrelevant issue anyway. Now we're talking about massive top to bottom traitorous, anti-American, anti-democracy criminality combined with a constant effort to repeal the 20th Century and what has been accomplished so far in the 21st Century.
Was that what you were planning to gloat about after your grandly announced absence for a long, long uh. For uh. For uh. Oh. Nevermind about that.
And you just said your head is in the sand with regards to your investment, and I agree with that. You would have to have your head in the sand to ignore all the corporate projections that directly contradict your rosy belief. So yeah, you ignore corporate earnings calls and the bond market.
No, I didn't say my head is in the sand with regards to my investments. I said I haven't bothered to check the performance of my stock market portfolio in months to explain why I would not be turning Cartwheels (your assumption) over the gains in the S&P 500 Index lately. That would be because I don't need that money, am not worried about it, have no reason to check it monthly, weekly, daily or hourly the way some other poor souls do.
What would that have to do with "knowing" what is in my portfolio anyway? Do you think if we don't check our portfolios for a while some gremlins will get in there and change our stock market choices without us knowing about it? LOL.
... Corporate profits from the 2Q 2021 to the 2Q 2022 were up $219 billion, or 7.8%. That was less than the 9.1% YoY CPI inflation at June 30,2022. And the $219 billion only accounted for 0.94% (less than 1% for the mathematically challenged) of GDP. Corporate greed and excess profits thus did not account for a significant part of the inflation we've seen over the last year. Katie Porter, clearly debunks your that myth and outlines exactly why it's corporate greed, that is the problem.
YoY CPI inflation increased from 1. 7% in February, 2021, before the the government started sending out stimulus checks as required by the Democrats' $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan (ARP), to 5.4% in June, 2021. Now what do you think the reaction of the Democratic Party politicians would have been if the Fed had aggressively used monetary policy to counteract the excessive fiscal stimulus from the ARP? Maybe by raising interest rates in lockstep with inflation, to 5. 5%? There would be hell to pay. None of the governors would have been reappointed when their terms were up, if a Democrat were in the White House. As far as I understand it, the stimulus package help to bolster the economy, where most of the stimulus was expeditiously spent in earnest to keep the money-flowing in the economy and did not contribute significantly to inflation. Where as greedy corporations rising prices, above and beyond reasonable price increases, does put a drain on the economy and has significantly more to with increases in inflation.
BTW, Repubs were only to happy to spend millions in media exposure, billboard ads, TV / radio ads, and shamelessly take credit for the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan, they ALL voted against.
FWIW, polling shows a majority of Republican voters have said they somewhat or completely support it.
As to Katie Porter, please note that she's highlighting an increase in corporate profits, from the 2Q 2020, the depths of the pandemic induced recession. Yes, of course corporate profits went up a lot. As a result, the stock market went up a lot too. Democratic politicians, you and some other board members are only too happy to give Biden and the Democrats 100% of the credit for higher stock prices, increased employment, and a higher GDP, that resulted from the rebound from the recession.
Biden's following in Porter's footsteps, by blaming the evil oil companies for the run up in gasoline prices, and putting an albatross around their neck so they'd pump less oil and gas, and then taking credit for the decline in gasoline prices, which had nothing to do with his policies.As I always point out to you and other BMs, that no one is saying you can't make a profit, but price gouging / price fixing, is on another level of greed and borderline predatory. Which BTW, is the same message Biden and Katie Porter are making.
The censorship troll blocked my last post. Thanks for listing your source of that bird brained notion that corporate profits are going up. When Dems want to say 200 is greater than 250 or Republicans made up the word inflation, 2024 is more of a Republcan lock.. That must look something like that so called the Repubs 2022 Mid-term "Red Wave" (....kkkk!)
No, no, wait, ....I stand corrected, "Red Tsunami" (...kkkk)
OMG. Spidy. Turn off the MSNBC and move to to CNBC. Learn something. Half of what they talk about is what the Fed is doing and why. Then let me know when the subject of the Fed screwing Biden over comes up because it has not come up. Not once. Dude, just as soon as you stop watching FOXY News, which only serves to "dumb-down" America. Not too mention the number of lunatics, that have gone on to kill their family members and fellow Americans after watching and being radicalized by FOXY News. So Elvis, it not too late.
I am happy with the results. Gridlock has been achieved. Hunter Biden is finally going to be investigated. It's not surprising you love gridlock, after all, it's what Repubs do best. (....kkkk). I mean, "gridlock" is right out of the "right-wing playbook". Let's just waste taxpayers money while in office and do nothing meaningful, except blame the Dems, repeal meaningful law/bills put in place by Dems, taking America backwards to the 1800's , and lower taxes for the corporate welfare and the rich cronies. Sound about right.
Which is all a ruse or an attempt to make it look like a meaningful administrative tenure. So again, not surprising you love gridlock.
... The nation of Brazil takes in hundreds of millions of votes and results are spit out in 3 hours, yet Arizona takes weeks for a fraction of that many. Gee, I wonder why. ... No need to wonder, why....listen up and I'll tell ya. The same stupid Repub right-wing playbook at work in Arizona, wanting to count the ballots by hand, after the dumb-ass recommendations by the Repub/Trump approved "Pillow Guy (Mike Lindel) "Cyber Ninjas "forensic audit", was a tell-tail sign the Republican-controlled Arizona state Senate had gone "cockoo for cocoa-puffs".
The Brazilians, on the other hand, weren't buying into the right-wing playbook of, "...it's election fraud, if we don't win, horse-pucky. Thereby categorically, refuting any such claims Pres. Bozo (Bolsonaro), had cooked up, from the "Trump playbook", about hacked/compromised election machines.
I responded to some bozo on FB who asked (and I am paraphrasing) "How could it have gone so badly for Repubs?
My answer was, in effect, "Because you kept breathing your own exhaust". The Repubs wanted a "red wave". All of their pollsters predicted a "red wave". They were too stupid to know the difference between calm, measured leadership (Biden) and chaos (Donnie the Dumbass and the rest of the Republican party). The chorus of right-wing FOXY News pundits and others with their "Red Wave / Tsunami" rhetoric and brainwashing, was another attempt to begile Americans into thinking "the polls" are these "beacons precise accuracy".
The Repubs found out, thankfully, that the majority of Americans don't want to turn the clock back to the 1850's. The Repubs found out that the majority of Americans do not believe that anything further left than shooting people of color for sport is "socialist".Good to see Americans standing up for democracy at the ballot-box, and exercise their right to "vote-out-the-bums", be it Dems or Repubs.
Elvis 2008
11-12-22, 20:50
Dude, just as soon as you stop watching FOXY News, which only serves to "dumb-down" America. Not too mention the number of lunatics, that have gone on to kill their family members and fellow Americans after watching and being radicalized by FOXY News. So Elvis, it not too late.Classic whataboutism and completely irrelevant. Both parties approved ridiculous and unnecessary money printing during Covid. If you are a dumb Dem, you do not see the effect of $11 trillion printed out of thin air and inflation. If you are a dumb Dem, you do not see the inflation because inflation is a word Republicans made up. If you print up $11 trillion, somehow if you are a dumb Dem, you think corporate profits are not going to go up. If you are a dumb Dem, you think corporate profits should go down as the stock market goes up because you all have no fucking clue what causes the market to rise.
The economy is down because the Fed is raising rates to combat government induced inflation. But if you are a Dem, raising rates is Trump's fault and the fault of Republicans, and anyone who thinks otherwise is watching Fox News. LOL.
You guys cannot even define gridlock. Dems control both the Senate and House and Biden cannot get all that it wants and no president in history had more gridlock than Biden? Since when it is that gridlock? All you guys do is make stuff up. Even words do not have objective definitions.
And when I say I want gridlock, I want it with spending money. The entire Biden agenda has been throwing money at people: Ukraine, people with student debt, Build Back Better. Biden is tone deaf when it comes to saving money or making government more efficient.
I always thought the red wave was going to fade after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. Polls said it was way down on the list of voter concerns but with every woman I know, that is the most important issue with them. Fox News has said that the abortion issue is back in the hands of state legislators but it really has not been. They are too gutless to take this on. Prohibition was not ended by legislators but by citizens and the abortion issue is and should be settled by citizens voting.
You guys have no clue what the Fed is doing. They are raising interest rates to destroy demand and hoping not to cause a recession, a so called soft landing, which has never been done before. As I said, the bond market is predicting recession, and the last time we had inverted yield curves this bad was prior to the great recession of 2008.
Still as bad as the economy will be the Republicans need to change their tune on abortion. We can say we are anti-abortion and will not vote for abortion but if abortion is put on the ballot and it is the will of the voters to allow abortion, we will respect their wishes.
The current Democratic economic position, basically finger pointing with anything bad in the economy, is the worst I have ever seen, but if the Republicans do not address the abortion issue and get some better candidates, this absolute give me will be lost again.
Corporate profits from the 2Q 2021 to the 2Q 2022 were up $219 billion, or 7.8%. That was less than the 9.1% YoY CPI inflation at June 30,2022. And the $219 billion only accounted for 0.94% (less than 1% for the mathematically challenged) of GDP. Corporate greed and excess profits thus did not account for a significant part of the inflation we've seen over the last year.
Katie Porter, clearly debunks your that myth and outlines exactly why it's corporate greed, that is the problem....
As I always point out to you and other BMs, that no one is saying you can't make a profit, but price gouging / price fixing, is on another level of greed and borderline predatory. Which BTW, is the same message Biden and Katie Porter are making.Ms. Porter sounds like Jim Jordan, that is, a partisan who doesn't necessarily know jack. She's there to supply the sanctimony and the outrage. The brains in the video is Mike Konzcal, one of the directors of the leftist Roosevelt Institute. The New York Times said Konzcal has "a cult following among progressives."
I was careful to say that excess profits did not account for a significant part of inflation over the last year. That's irrefutable. The numbers speak for themselves. Again, CPI inflation was 9.1% YoY to 2Q 2022 and during the same period, corporate profits only increased by 0.94% of GDP.
The chart that Porter's displaying goes from 2 Q2020 to the 4 Q2021, even though data was available through 2Q 2022. Again, Porter or Konzcal cherry picked data, in part by starting the chart during the depths of the pandemic induced recession, when corporate profits were at their lowest. That said, corporate profits increased by 938 billion, or 4%, during the 18 month period that started in 2Q 2020 and ended in the 4Q2 021. Total inflation over the same period was about 8%. So yes, in the mind of the Progressive shill, the increase in corporate profits accounted for a large percentage of inflation, during that cherry-picked 18 month period..
What was actually happening? Well, take out the word "Trump's" and Tooms has half of the explanation here:
Trump's Pandemic Supply-Chain Destruction was certainly the trigger and main cause of the recent hyper-inflation around the world.(Aside: Tooms is bright. He'd be a lot brighter if he didn't insist on viewing the world through blue colored lenses.)
Problems with logistics, lockdowns, and in general a fall off in supply happened at the same time $5 trillion+ in COVID stimulus, over 25% of GDP, was pumped into the system.
What's the other half of the explanation? You had a big increase in demand, because people had lots of free money, at the same time you had a shortage of goods. In other words, demand was greater than supply. Businesses sitting on lower cost inventory jacked up their prices. When something like this happens, businesses realize outsized profits until something changes. Most often it's an increase in competition and capacity, but perhaps in this case a rejiggering of the supply chain (additional supply) will bring prices and profit margins down. At some point many businesses will lose money. The weak get knocked out of business, capacity is shuttered. Then it starts all over again. It's called the business cycle.
The Progressive shills believe the proper reaction to the business cycle is to impose price controls or windfall profits taxes on corporations, even though those have been tried and they only fuck things up worse.
There are things the Biden administration and the Democrats, who control Congress, could do to counteract this. One example is quit threatening to shut down the oil and gas producers, so that they're afraid to invest in increasing production. Another is to end the Trump tariffs. And a third is to cut out the corporate welfare. I don't know exactly what's in the Infrastructure legislation, the semiconductor bill, and the green legislation (that is, the inflation reduction act). But undoubtedly lots of pork that benefits businesses. The tariffs and the corporate welfare are crony capitalism, which will drive up corporate profits at the expense of the consumer. And don't let your prejudices get the best of you. The Democrats are just as bad or worse than the Republicans at this. Why do you think it's the Democrats now who hang out at country clubs, while the hard working men and women on the factory floors are Republicans?
And Spidy, I do not view you as a progressive shill. I'm referring to Porter and Konzcal. You are a respected board member.
Both parties approved ridiculous and unnecessary money printing during Covid. Absolutely. This is Tiny's hierarchy of blame for the matter at hand, who's the most responsible.
1. Democrats in the House of Representatives. Spending bills originate in the House.
2. Joe Biden.
3. Donald Trump.
4. Senate Democrats.
5. Republican representatives who will do anything Trump tells them to.
6. Senate Republicans.
I'll note the Republicans unanimously voted against the $1. 9 trillion American Rescue Plan, which fired up inflation in the USA before the rest of the world. And McConnell and Senate Republicans by December of 2020 had enough, and moderated the demands of Trump and Pelosi to keep spending like drunken sailor.
You guys cannot even define gridlock. Dems control both the Senate and House and Biden cannot get all that it wants and no president in history had more gridlock than Biden? Since when it is that gridlock? All you guys do is make stuff up. Even words do not have objective definitions.Good point. Tooms' claim that potential for gridlock was at an all time high during the Biden administration is strange considering he NEVER criticizes the Democratic Party. Democrats controlled the House, the Senate and the Presidency. So who else could you blame, besides Democrats, if they had failed to pass some of the beloved suck ass legislation that Tooms so admires?
And when I say I want gridlock, I want it with spending money. The entire Biden agenda has been throwing money at people: Ukraine, people with student debt, Build Back Better. Biden is tone deaf when it comes to saving money or making government more efficient.It's crazy. You give the Republicans the presidency and Congress and they do the same shit, but not to this extent.
The current Democratic economic position, basically finger pointing with anything bad in the economy, is the worst I have ever seen, but if the Republicans do not address the abortion issue and get some better candidates, this absolute give me will be lost again.Agreed. As to better candidates, the Republicans need to jettison Trump and stop picking candidates who kowtow to his election fraud bull shit. And yes, abortion is the other albatross across the neck of the party
Sorry, that didn't make sense. I left out "of GDP. " The following should have read, "corporate profits increased by 938 billion, or 4% of GDP..."
That said, corporate profits increased by 938 billion, or 4%, during the 18 month period that started in 2Q 2020 and ended in the 4Q 2021.
Classic whataboutism and completely irrelevant. Both parties approved ridiculous and unnecessary money printing during Covid. If you are a dumb Dem, you do not see the effect of $11 trillion printed out of thin air and inflation. If you are a dumb Dem, you do not see the inflation because inflation is a word Republicans made up. If you print up $11 trillion, somehow if you are a dumb Dem, you think corporate profits are not going to go up. If you are a dumb Dem, you think corporate profits should go down as the stock market goes up because you all have no fucking clue what causes the market to rise.
The economy is down because the Fed is raising rates to combat government induced inflation. But if you are a Dem, raising rates is Trump's fault and the fault of Republicans, and anyone who thinks otherwise is watching Fox News. LOL.
You guys cannot even define gridlock. Dems control both the Senate and House and Biden cannot get all that it wants and no president in history had more gridlock than Biden? Since when it is that gridlock? All you guys do is make stuff up. Even words do not have objective definitions.
And when I say I want gridlock, I want it with spending money. The entire Biden agenda has been throwing money at people: Ukraine, people with student debt, Build Back Better. Biden is tone deaf when it comes to saving money or making government more efficient.
I always thought the red wave was going to fade after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. Polls said it was way down on the list of voter concerns but with every woman I know, that is the most important issue with them. Fox News has said that the abortion issue is back in the hands of state legislators but it really has not been. They are too gutless to take this on. Prohibition was not ended by legislators but by citizens and the abortion issue is and should be settled by citizens voting.
You guys have no clue what the Fed is doing. They are raising interest rates to destroy demand and hoping not to cause a recession, a so called soft landing, which has never been done before. As I said, the bond market is predicting recession, and the last time we had inverted yield curves this bad was prior to the great recession of 2008.
Still as bad as the economy will be the Republicans need to change their tune on abortion. We can say we are anti-abortion and will not vote for abortion but if abortion is put on the ballot and it is the will of the voters to allow abortion, we will respect their wishes.
The current Democratic economic position, basically finger pointing with anything bad in the economy, is the worst I have ever seen, but if the Republicans do not address the abortion issue and get some better candidates, this absolute give me will be lost again."I always thought the red wave was going to fade after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade." Sure you did. That's why you made multiple posts criticizing Republicans for pushing extreme anti-abortion legislation in most Repub-run states. Oh, wait! I went back to the SCOTUS are v W time frame and counted all of your posts skewering Republicans. You know how many of them there were? None. Zip. Null. Nada..
Stupid Repubs will continue down this anti-abortion path. Who knows if they'll be dumb enough to try to overturn voting rights and LBGTQ rights but given that the sum total of the IQ of all of the MAGAts in Congress is less than 100, I wouldn't put it past them. They will continue to trot out morons like Walker and DeSantis and MTG and BoBo and Gym Jordan and the rest of the dumber-than-dogshit election deniers. Repub Congresspeople are so stupid that they'll try to impeach every Democrat in Government over the next two years. That's because they don't have anything else and they don't know anything else and they're simply too fucking stupid to get out of their own way.
If you are a dumb Repub, you will see nothing wrong with this approach. Then, when you get trounced in 2024, you'll go looking for somebody to blame. Maybe the Jews. Or maybe Gen Z. Unfortunately, Repubs are too fucking stupid to simply look in the mirror.
Classic whataboutism and completely irrelevant. Both parties approved ridiculous and unnecessary money printing during Covid. If you are a dumb Dem, you do not see the effect of $11 trillion printed out of thin air and inflation. If you are a dumb Dem, you do not see the inflation because inflation is a word Republicans made up. If you print up $11 trillion, somehow if you are a dumb Dem, you think corporate profits are not going to go up. If you are a dumb Dem, you think corporate profits should go down as the stock market goes up because you all have no fucking clue what causes the market to rise.
The economy is down because the Fed is raising rates to combat government induced inflation. But if you are a Dem, raising rates is Trump's fault and the fault of Republicans, and anyone who thinks otherwise is watching Fox News. LOL.
You guys cannot even define gridlock. Dems control both the Senate and House and Biden cannot get all that it wants and no president in history had more gridlock than Biden? Since when it is that gridlock? All you guys do is make stuff up. Even words do not have objective definitions.
And when I say I want gridlock, I want it with spending money. The entire Biden agenda has been throwing money at people: Ukraine, people with student debt, Build Back Better. Biden is tone deaf when it comes to saving money or making government more efficient.The first sentence in my previous post re Gridlock:
No president in modern history faced more potential Gridlock in his first two years in office than Sleepy Joe Brandon.Name the previous presidents who had fewer seats from their Party in the Senate and the House in their first two years in office AND with the opposition Party openly admitting their number one priority is to thwart and obstruct almost if not everything he tries to do along with their subsequent behavior proving it.
Coolidge? Nope.
Hoover? Nope.
FDR? Nope.
Truman? Nope.
Eisenhower? Nope.
JFK? Nope.
Reagan? Nope.
LBJ? Nope.
Bush 1? Nope.
Clinton? Nope.
Bush 2? Nope.
Obama? Nope.
Trump? Nope.
Now, you ever hear of a RINO or a DINO?
How about an opposition Party whose leader and then so-called potus led a violent, cop-killing Insurrection on the premise that the incoming POTUS was not even elected and whose slavishly devoted members in his Party spent every waking hour of his first two years repeating that lie to cheers from their voting constituents?
Any of the above listed Presidents have to go up against that in their first two years in office?
Do tell us which of them spent their first two years trying to get things done in the face of ALL of those factors, not just some of them, all of them, aside from Joe Biden.
I'm sure you and Tiny can put your minds together and come up with the names of which ones and include it in the same post with that citation of a meaningful and now revered legislation proposed, fought for and passed when Repubs held the White House, the Majority in the Senate and the Majority in the House.
You make a mockery of the concept of Gridlock by suggesting any POTUS in modern times came into office and was faced with less potential of it in his first two years than Biden.
"I always thought the red wave was going to fade after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade." Sure you did. That's why you made multiple posts criticizing Republicans for pushing extreme anti-abortion legislation in most Repub-run states. Oh, wait! I went back to the SCOTUS are v W time frame and counted all of your posts skewering Republicans. You know how many of them there were? None. Zip. Null. Nada..
Stupid Repubs will continue down this anti-abortion path. Who knows if they'll be dumb enough to try to overturn voting rights and LBGTQ rights but given that the sum total of the IQ of all of the MAGAts in Congress is less than 100, I wouldn't put it past them. They will continue to trot out morons like Walker and DeSantis and MTG and BoBo and Gym Jordan and the rest of the dumber-than-dogshit election deniers. Repub Congresspeople are so stupid that they'll try to impeach every Democrat in Government over the next two years. That's because they don't have anything else and they don't know anything else and they're simply too fucking stupid to get out of their own way..They need a like button on this forum.
It's not surprising you love gridlock, after all, it's what Repubs do best. (....kkkk). I mean, "gridlock" is right out of the "right-wing playbook". Let's just waste taxpayers money while in office and do nothing meaningful, except blame the Dems, repeal meaningful law/bills put in place by Dems, taking America backwards to the 1800's , and lower taxes for the corporate welfare and the rich cronies. Sound about right.
Which is all a ruse or an attempt to make it look like a meaningful administrative tenure. So again, not surprising you love gridlock. You and Tooms apparently don't understand what gridlock means. It's when one party does not control the presidency, Senate and House at the same time. Politicians aren't as able to "waste taxpayers money", "repeal meaningful laws / bills", or "lower taxes for the corporate welfare and rich cronies" when there's gridlock. As I already said in a reply to another of your posts, I wonder why some people blame Republicans for the welfare for corporations and "rich cronies," when the Democrats are arguably more guilty than the Republicans in promoting crony capitalism and corporate welfare. Maybe that's why you see more Democrats at country clubs and more Republicans at construction sites and and on factory floors these days.
A good friend of mine who's a Democrat prefers divided government (that is, gridlock). He's looked closely at deficit spending and says it's the least when you have a Democrat in the White House and Republicans controlling the House. That's what we had during Clinton's second term, which was the only time we've balanced the budget in many decades. And that's what we'll have for the next two years, God willing.
The Brazilians, on the other hand, weren't buying into the right-wing playbook of, "...it's election fraud, if we don't win, horse-pucky. Thereby categorically, refuting any such claims Pres. Bozo (Bolsonaro), had cooked up, from the "Trump playbook", about hacked/compromised election machines.What we saw happen in Brazil is what you and I hope won't happen in America in 2024. A crook, Lula, who actually spent time in jail, was elected Brazilian president by a small margin. If a court puts Trump in jail, which I hope won't happen, I wonder what would happen come 2024. I bet he'd run for president from his jail cell, and I bet the "martyr factor" would help him.
Bolsonaro did not follow the Donald Trump or Stacey Abrams post-election playbooks. While he may not have come out and directly said "I lost", he's cooperating with an orderly transition, and has asked his supporters to do the same.
What we saw happen in Brazil is what you and I hope won't happen in America in 2024. A crook, Lula, who actually spent time in jail, was elected Brazilian president by a small margin. If a court puts Trump in jail, which I hope won't happen, I wonder what would happen come 2024. I bet he'd run for president from his jail cell, and I bet the "martyr factor" would help him.
He isn't a crook. He was jailed by a corrupt judge on faulty charges (no doubt masterminded by the real crook Bolsanero). His sentence was overturned and he was realeased, So yiou have no grounds to call him a crook.
When he gave up his presidency after 2 terms, he had an approval rating of 90%. He lifted 20 million Brazilains out of poverty. He pledges to preserve the Amazon RF. Why do you "hope won't happen in America (sic) in 2024" ?
He isn't a crook. He was jailed by a corrupt judge on faulty charges (no doubt masterminded by the real crook Bolsanero). His sentence was overturned and he was realeased, So yiou have no grounds to call him a crook.
When he gave up his presidency after 2 terms, he had an approval rating of 90%. He lifted 20 million Brazilains out of poverty. He pledges to preserve the Amazon RF. Why do you "hope won't happen in America (sic) in 2024" ?Trump's supporters have and will make similar arguments. I don't think Lula or Trump should be jailed. However they're both crooks, and neither deserves to be president of their countries. The approval rating of his Worker's Party successor, President Dilma Rouseff, was 9% when she left office.
Lula and other Workers Party politicians were up to their knees in the Odebrecht scandal. He was convicted and sentenced before Bolsonaro came to power. The investigation commenced and Lula's home was raided when Lula's anointed successor, Rousseff, was still president. Yes, the Brazilian judge, Moro, who brought charges against Lula was biased. So was the other judge, Fachin, who released him.
Here's the entry from Wikipedia. I don't know why Themlio and Marcelo Odebrecht would have lied.
Lula and the Worker's Party.
Themlio Odebrecht said in a written report to the Attorney General of Brazil's Office (PGR) that he discussed donations to Worker's Party's (PT) campaigns with former PT president Lula. Financial support, according to the contractor, came even before Lula became president. Marcelo Odebrecht said that the "Amigo" account for former President Luiz Inacio Lula the Silva, was created in 2010 with a balance of are $40 million. In his statement, he said he gave the money to Antonio Palocci, former Finance Minister and Rousseff's chief of staff, who had been the PT contact with Odebrecht since the prior administration, when themlio Alves Odebrecht and Pedro Novis had handled payments. He said that in the middle of 2010, at the end of the Lula administration, he knew that Dilma Rousseff was going to take over and that the balance of the account would be "managed by her at her request". Thus, he set apart a sum that would be destined exclusively for the former president. He said that Lula never asked directly for donations and that everything was done through Palocci, but it became clear that the donations were ultimately for the former president.
On 4 March 2016, Lula was questioned for three hours as part of the fraud inquiry into the dealings of Petrobras, and his house raided by federal police agents. Lula, who left office in 2011, denied allegations of corruption. Police said they had evidence that Lula, 70, had received kickbacks. Lula's institute called actions against him "arbitrary, illegal and unjustifiable", since he had been cooperating with the investigations. Lula, convicted of accepting bribes worth 3. 7 million reals (1. 2 million dollars), was sentenced on 12 July to nine and a half years in prison. He appealed the sentence to the Federal Regional Court-4, which increased his sentence to twelve years and a month. On 5 April 2018, Moro ordered his imprisonment, and he surrendered two days later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Car_Wash
You and Tooms apparently don't understand what gridlock means. It's when one party does not control the presidency, Senate and House at the same time. Politicians aren't as able to "waste taxpayers money", "repeal meaningful laws / bills", or "lower taxes for the corporate welfare and rich cronies" when there's gridlock. As I already said in a reply to another of your posts, I wonder why some people blame Republicans for the welfare for corporations and "rich cronies," when the Democrats are arguably more guilty than the Republicans in promoting crony capitalism and corporate welfare. Maybe that's why you see more Democrats at country clubs and more Republicans at construction sites and and on factory floors these days.
A good friend of mine who's a Democrat prefers divided government (that is, gridlock). He's looked closely at deficit spending and says it's the least when you have a Democrat in the White House and Republicans controlling the House. That's what we had during Clinton's second term, which was the only time we've balanced the budget in many decades. And that's what we'll have for the next two years, God willing..No, that isn't what Gridlock means:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gridlock
Actually, didn't you use to call what you described "split government"? Now you think it's "Gridlock"?
Good lord.
Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema are both members of the Democratic Party. They would not budge on a couple of important aspects of Democrat Joe Biden's brilliant American Rescue Plan.
Guess what they created on those aspects?
Yep. Gridlock.
No, it isn't Split Government either.
Now, if I gave you a participation trophy for that one I would be insulting every clumsy kid who ever got a participation trophy. Which is not my style. So I hope you understand why I can't give you one.
I don't think Lula or Trump should be jailed. However they're both crooks, and neither deserves to be president of their countries. The approval rating of his Worker's Party successor, President Dilma Rouseff, was 9% when she left office.
Lula and other Workers Party politicians were up to their knees in the Odebrecht scandal. Yes, the Brazilian judge, Moro, who brought charges against Lula was biased. So was the other judge, Fachin, who released him.
Its a pity you didn't submit some of your evidence during the trial. If he is a crook, he should be punished. Maybe you can send it to glenn greenwald. He is very up on all this.
How do you know fachin was biased? Did he also have his verdict examined and overturned?
And which part of lula's achievements do you not want to see in USA? Alleviating poverty? Or tremendous approval, or protecting nature above big business?
The chorus of right-wing FOXY News pundits and others with their "Red Wave / Tsunami" rhetoric and brainwashing, was another attempt to begile Americans into thinking "the polls" are these "beacons precise accuracy".
Good to see Americans standing up for democracy at the ballot-box, and exercise their right to "vote-out-the-bums", be it Dems or Repubs.Individual polls can sometimes be wildly off from the election results, even days before election day. But this time around, as usual, the Consensus of polls on that Generic Ballot Control of Congress question were quite accurate to within a normal +/-Margin of Error 3-4 percentage points.
Where they made the big Error on the Margin was in under-sampling likely or new Dem voters / over-sampling likely Repub voters with their insistence on dragging in "save the day for the Repubs" demonstrably Repub-leaning polls like Rasmussen, Trafalgar and Emerson too often.
As I pointed out here several times along the way.
Sure, the new Dem voters they under-sampled cared about preventing the Repub Party from continuing to outlaw Sex For Pleasure around the country.
And, sure, they didn't want to support Anti-America, Anti-democracy, America-hating Fascist candidates and put them in seats of power.
But they also care deeply about Inflation, the Economy, Crime, Immigration, etc. All of those repeated Repub and pro Repub Bothsider campaign talking points.
It's just that they were not so ill-informed and blithering stupid to blame Biden and the Dems for Trump's Pandemic, mass murder, millions upon millions of jobs destroyed and his subsequent Global Supply-Chain Hyper-Inflation.
And they could hardly blame Biden and the Dems for those high Red State Crime Rates.
Or for Trump's decimation of our Immigration systems on his way out.
The "tell" on all of that was the fact that, despite the pollsters' Error in under-sampling likely new Dem voters and everyone hating everyone and everything in the wake of Trump's horrific 4-year stewardship, the polls showed that the American people hated Biden least of all the pertinent leaders and agencies.
Which I also pointed out here several times along the way.
Its a pity you didn't submit some of your evidence during the trial. If he is a crook, he should be punished. Maybe you can send it to glenn greenwald. He is very up on all this. How do you know fachin was biased? Did he also have his verdict examined and overturned?FYI, I wasn't involved in the Odebrecht scandal, so I have no evidence to present. I've read this and through the years some other articles that indicate Lula's a crook.
https://www.cato.org/blog/why-did-global-media-give-brazils-lula-free-pass-corruption
When a country starts throwing ex presidents in jail, it looks like a banana republic. The bar should be high to throw a president in jail, and from what I've read, neither Trump nor Lula did anything that would merit incarceration. Probation and fines, yes. But not jail. I don't know about Brazil, but the USA incarcerates far too many people.
How do you know Fachin wasn't biased? From the link above,
"There is also the matter of Justice Fachin, who hardly can claim political impartiality himself. When Rousseff appointed him to the Supreme Court in 2015, O Globo, a Brazilian daily, reported that, in 2010, Fachin, then a law school professor at the Federal University of Paran, had signed and openly supported a lawyers manifesto urging voters to back Rousseff. It was necessary, the manifesto claimed, to guarantee the continuity of Da Silvas political program."
I don't know who Glenn Greenwald is and I'm too lazy to look him up. I suspect he doesn't have much power within the Brazilian judicial system.
And which part of lula's achievements do you not want to see in USA? Alleviating poverty? Or tremendous approval, or protecting nature above big business?I've read good things about what Lula and his party did to improve the social safety net. I don't know jack about his policies and haven't said anything about them. He apparently didn't have tremendous approval or he would have won by more than 2 percentage points, running against a president who presided over a dismal economy because of the COVID pandemic. And he certainly must have done a lot to help big business, or at least Odebrecht. But that's all irrelevant. If a person's a crook, he or she is not fit for office.
Bolsonaro did not follow the Donald Trump or Stacey Abrams post-election playbooks. While he may not have come out and directly said "I lost", he's cooperating with an orderly transition, and has asked his supporters to do the same. Not sure what you're talking about here, Stacey Abrams? But if you follow Brazilian politics (as I often do), then you'll know they call ex-Pres. Bozo, the "Trump of the Tropics". Ex-Pres. Bozo, like Trump was declaring there will be election fraud for the last 2+ years and submitted no substantiated evidence to his claims. His evangelical right-wing strongman politics, is "Trumpian" on steroids.
What we saw happen in Brazil is what you and I hope won't happen in America in 2024. A crook, Lula, who actually spent time in jail, was elected Brazilian president by a small margin. If a court puts Trump in jail, which I hope won't happen, I wonder what would happen come 2024. I bet he'd run for president from his jail cell, and I bet the "martyr factor" would help him. Unlike the substantial mountainous, demonstrative, direct and forensic evidence against Trump, the evidence against the newly elected-Pres. Lula, was all hearsay and circumstantial, without any significant burden of proof in a criminal investigation.
As I've said before, while I don't think Donnie "the Devil" J. Dummkopf, will go to jail, but I hope he gets a good drubbing in the courts.
Spidy and JustTK, I may owe you an apology, about Lula. I just googled "Glenn Greenwald Lula. " I'm too lazy to wade through the results, but maybe you're right. I'm not sure whether he's a crook or not. Spidy, you certainly have looked at this much closer than I have.
Bozo, like Trump was declaring there will be election fraud for the last 2+ years and submitted not substantiated evidence to his claims. His evangelical right-wing strongman politics, is "Trumpian" on steroids.
From what I've read, Bolsonaro, post-election, is not trying to overturn Brazilian democracy. He accepted the will of the majority of the voters. That's the difference.
You and Tooms apparently don't understand what gridlock means. It's when one party does not control the presidency, Senate and House at the same time. Politicians aren't as able to "waste taxpayers money", "repeal meaningful laws / bills", or "lower taxes for the corporate welfare and rich cronies" when there's gridlock. ...
...Let's just waste taxpayers money while in office and do nothing meaningful, except blame the Dems, repeal meaningful law/bills put in place by Dems, taking America backwards to the 1800's , and lower taxes for the corporate welfare and the rich cronies. Thanks for the Repub-splaining on gridlock...I think? At the very least, I'm sure Elvis, will have benefited from it.
Tiny 12, perhaps I should have been clearer. I was relating / equating, the above examples (in quotes) of what Repubs do when they have power in all 3-houses, as being the same as gridlock. Meaning that, "nothing meaningful is accomplished" when Repubs are in power and that's why you and Elvis love the fact we have may now have gridlock.
Again, this gridlock example is very apropos of the Excellent EihTooms Challenge, he put forth (check back a few days) and has yet to be disputed.
Again, this gridlock example is very apropos of the Excellent EihTooms Challenge, he put forth (check back a few days) and has yet to be disputed.A few days ago? How about a month ago. And again, as an anarcho capitalist, neoliberal, Libertarian and small government Republican, I believe the challenge is stupid. I applaud the parties more for the legislation they didn't pass. Gridlock kicks ass!
A few days ago? How about a month ago. And again, as an anarcho capitalist, neoliberal, Libertarian and small government Republican, I believe the challenge is stupid ...Is it really, though? I beg to differ, as I translate what I think you're really trying to say, but too afraid to come out and just say as much.
Sounds to me like you're saying, this is my Repub wise guy way of saying, "I give up! Stumped and stupefied by the Dems, yet again.....Ahhhh!" (...kkkk!), when saying you think its stupid, without the evidence and effort to disprove his compelling and persuasive statements and arguments.
I don't know who Glenn Greenwald is and I'm too lazy to look him up. I suspect he doesn't have much power within the Brazilian judicial system.
Greenwald is one of the most important acrive independent journlists in the world. He handled the release of the whisltblowerr documents for Edward Snowden in the face of USA Govt hostlility. He also handled the leak of documents that exposed the corruption of Operation Car Wash. The corrupt anti-corruption operation that ended with the imprisonment of Lula. He was criminally charged in both USA and Brazil for both actions, but all charges were eventually dropped. Very courageous guy. People don't tend to display so much courage unless they are on the right side of the law and morality. He is on Lula's side.
A few days ago? How about a month ago. And again, as an anarcho capitalist, neoliberal, Libertarian and small government Republican, I believe the challenge is stupid. I applaud the parties more for the legislation they didn't pass. Gridlock kicks ass!Huh! What now?
Also see EihTooms' post below, or the full post posted 1-day ago, here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2761569&viewfull=1#post2761569 .
... Do tell us which of them spent their first two years trying to get things done in the face of ALL of those factors, not just some of them, all of them, aside from Joe Biden.
I'm sure you and Tiny can put your minds together and come up with the names of which ones and include it in the same post with that citation of a meaningful and now revered legislation proposed, fought for and passed when Repubs held the White House, the Majority in the Senate and the Majority in the House.
You make a mockery of the concept of Gridlock by suggesting any POTUS in modern times came into office and was faced with less potential of it in his first two years than Biden.EihTooms, Once again, Great Challenge.
Doubtful, very doubtful, but two-minds are better than one. That said, miracles and unicorns have been seen from time to time.
Greenwald is one of the most important acrive independent journlists in the world. He handled the release of the whisltblowerr documents for Edward Snowden in the face of USA Govt hostlility. He also handled the leak of documents that exposed the corruption of Operation Car Wash. The corrupt anti-corruption operation that ended with the imprisonment of Lula. He was criminally charged in both USA and Brazil for both actions, but all charges were eventually dropped. Very courageous guy. People don't tend to display so much courage unless they are on the right side of the law and morality. He is on Lula's side.Please see my "Eating Crow, Maybe" post below. That's the closest you're going to see to a "you're right, I was wrong" confession in this thread.
Please see my "Eating Crow, Maybe" post below. That's the closest you're going to see to a "you're right, I was wrong" confession in this thread.Haha. Ok. I wrote my comment before I saw your reply. Sometimes replies seem to pass back thru the timeline when they get posted. Check him out sometime. Very intelligent, well spoken, courageous. Had to leave YT bcos he was being censored by the USA Govt. Had to give up his previous jobs bcos his employers were not prepared to show the same courage as him to speak truth to power. Now on Rumble.
People like him will be recognised in history for what he did, once truth is accepted.
Have a good night, Tiny. :)
Thanks for the Repub-splaining on gridlock...I think? At the very least, I'm sure Elvis, will have benefited from it.
Tiny 12, perhaps I should have been clearer. I was relating / equating, the above examples (in quotes) of what Repubs do when they have power in all 3-houses, as being the same as gridlock. Meaning that, "nothing meaningful is accomplished" when Repubs are in power and that's why you and Elvis love the fact we have may now have gridlock.
Again, this gridlock example is very apropos of the Excellent EihTooms Challenge, he put forth (check back a few days) and has yet to be disputed.Gridlock is OK after Dems have passed terrific economic recovery legislation in the wake of a typical Great Repub Crash, Massive Jobs Destruction and skyrocketing deficits with nothing of value to show for it.
For example, at virtually every Dem-to-Repub White House hand-off over the past 100 years.
OMG, the mind reels at the thought of how much better off America and the rest of the world would be if incoming Reagan, Bush2 and Trump had just taken their election victory lap, immediately retreated to their basement and spent their entire presidential terms watching cartoons on tv and playing solitaire. Or, alternately, had been reduced to those prefered and more fitting vocations due to insurmountable political Gridlock.
By stark contrast, at virtually every Repub-to-Dem White House hand-off over the past 100 years it would have been a criminal dereliction of duty as stated in their Oath of Office if the incoming Dem had succumbed to Gridlock and not heroically found a way to legislatively reverse course on the Multiple / Great Repub Recessions, Massive Jobs Losses and skyrocketing deficits with nothing of value to show for it that typically greeted them.
History, the data and all evidence shows the very best example of such a heroic effort in the face of an extraordinarily disastrous Repub-to-Dem hand-off and potential for Gridlock was when Biden took over from Trump.
Biden's effort (and success!) was even more heroic and impressive than that of incoming FDR's and incoming Obama's due to the typically horrific Repub stewardship results and the far greater potential for Gridlock facing him on day one.
Have a good night, Tiny. :)Igualmente amigo
Now, if I gave you a participation trophy for that one I would be insulting every clumsy kid who ever got a participation trophy. Which is not my style. So I hope you understand why I can't give you one.Do you really think I'm going to fall for that one? The best you get for participation is a flimsy ass paper certificate. Sticks and stones my break my bones but I'll never be upset that I didn't get some imaginary "participation trophy".
Do you really think I'm going to fall for that one? The best you get for participation is a flimsy ass paper certificate. Sticks and stones my break my bones but I'll never be upset that I didn't get some imaginary "participation trophy".I didn't know that. I have only gotten actual trophies and medals of accomplishment. I'll buy a few blank certificates to fill in just in case then.
Individual polls can sometimes be wildly off from the election results, even days before election day. But this time around, as usual, the Consensus of polls on that Generic Ballot Control of Congress question were quite accurate to within a normal +/-Margin of Error 3-4 percentage points.
Where they made the big Error on the Margin was in under-sampling likely or new Dem voters / over-sampling likely Repub voters with their insistence on dragging in "save the day for the Repubs" demonstrably Repub-leaning polls like Rasmussen, Trafalgar and Emerson too often.
As I pointed out here several times along the way. ...
BTW, thanks, w/r to the "411" on the Generic Ballot Control of Congress question poll...much appreciated!
Sorry, I hadn't notice any of your previous posts w/r to this poll. But apparently, it's been around for 40 yrs, but for whatever reason, isn't well known. Who knew? So having just looked into and briefly checked it out, it does appear to be predictive, accurate and evenly bipartisan. Which fares better than most of the other individual (and often partisan) polls.
Since I don't really put much faith into election polls, I tend not to follow them, too closely. However, I'll definitely be more mindful towards this poll as a "bell weather" reference, w/r to congressional and presidential elections.
I don't disagree with many of the other multitude of reasons you state w/r to the under/over sampling of the other polls, but in my mind, there has always been a plethora of unknown variables pollsters will never be able to account for and hence my reservation towards following polls. But I'm always learning, as was the case today.
Elvis 2008
11-14-22, 19:05
The first sentence in my previous post re Gridlock: No president in modern history faced more potential Gridlock in his first two years in office than Sleepy Joe Brandon.One of the many reasons I call you a Democratic douche Tooms is because Democrats assign alternate meanings to words. With the Republicans on the verge of taking the house, I said we would have gridlock. I am not sure what your point is with this dumb semantic douchery about gridlock. Are you so brain dead that with the Republicans on the verge of taking the House, there will be less gridlock?
led a violent, cop-killing InsurrectionYes, that was terrible. The guns, the violence, the deaths, the destruction. It was horrible. Wait, those were the BLM riots. Yes, it is a good thing those second amendment loving whack job insurrectionists left their guns at home wasn't it?
Violent, cop killing, and insurrection are more words where you make up meanings to fit your agenda. Orwell had a name for such slurring of words: doublespeak. You must have read 1984 like it was an instruction manual.
lwhose slavishly devoted members in his Party spent every waking hour of his first two years repeating that lie to cheers from their voting constituents?To a Democratic douche, the 2016 election being rigged was truth, and the 2020 election being rigged was a lie. The charges of the 2016 election being rigged were definitively put down. That was literally a conspiracy. There was not one person deposed about the accusations that the election of 2020 being rigged and because of that, I think saying that election was definitively not rigged given the circumstantial evidence is a huge stretch.
Tooms, you should be the one getting a certificate. You have mastered doublespeak. The only part you missed is Republicans making up the word inflation.
Are you so brain dead that with the Republicans on the verge of taking the House, there will be less gridlock?Damn it Elvis, I don't think we're going to get Tooms to award us that special participation trophy or certificate or whatever it is. We're going to have to learn to think like Democrats if we're going to get that award.
So maybe you could explain how you come up with the Democrats' definition of gridlock? Apparently you can be a Democratic Senator, and go along 100% with what President Biden and Party leaders propose, and you're still responsible for gridlock. That's what Manchin and Sinema did with the $1. 9 trillion, budget-busting, inflation-supercharging American Rescue Plan. One of the revered pieces of legislation that the Democratic Party passed when it controlled the House, the Senate and the Presidency. That just seems like an awfully low barrier for "gridlock."
No, that isn't what Gridlock means:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gridlock
Actually, didn't you use to call what you described "split government"? Now you think it's "Gridlock"?
Good lord.
Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema are both members of the Democratic Party. They would not budge on a couple of important aspects of Democrat Joe Biden's brilliant American Rescue Plan.
Guess what they created on those aspects?
Yep. Gridlock.
No, it isn't Split Government either.
Now, if I gave you a participation trophy for that one I would be insulting every clumsy kid who ever got a participation trophy. Which is not my style. So I hope you understand why I can't give you one.
One of the many reasons I call you a Democratic douche Tooms is because Democrats assign alternate meanings to words. With the Republicans on the verge of taking the house, I said we would have gridlock. I am not sure what your point is with this dumb semantic douchery about gridlock. Are you so brain dead that with the Republicans on the verge of taking the House, there will be less gridlock?You didn't just say " we would have gridlock. " What you said was this:
I am happy with the results. Gridlock has been achieved.There are no alternative meanings to your words. Alternative meanings come later when you attempt to qualify the pure and unadulterated joy derived from the fact that the Reps might once again be able to do what they always do best: sabotage.
Throughout Barack Obama's presidency, Republicans in Congress have deployed a strategy that has worked remarkably well for them: oppose, obstruct, and sabotage the Obama administration at every turn.
"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president," Republican Sen. Mitch McConnell, then the Senate minority leader, said in 2010.
A few months later, McConnell acknowledged that Republicans had decided to deny President Obama any bipartisan support, not because they necessarily opposed each and every initiative, but to hurt Obama politically. "We worked very hard to keep our fingerprints off of these proposals," he said. "Because we thought correctly, I think that the only way the American people would know that a great debate was going on was if the measures were not bipartisan."https://www.vox.com/2015/3/9/8177815/republicans-foreign-policy-sabotage
What a party!
Damn it Elvis, I don't think we're going to get Tooms to award us that special participation trophy or certificate or whatever it is. We're going to have to learn to think like Democrats if we're going to get that award.
So maybe you could explain how you come up with the Democrats' definition of gridlock? Apparently you can be a Democratic Senator, and go along 100% with what President Biden and Party leaders propose, and you're still responsible for gridlock. That's what Manchin and Sinema did with the $1. 9 trillion, budget-busting, inflation-supercharging American Rescue Plan. One of the revered pieces of legislation that the Democratic Party passed when it controlled the House, the Senate and the Presidency. That just seems like an awfully low barrier for "gridlock."Gridlock can be achieved regardless of political party. It can result from Consevative vs Liberal, pro Universal Healthcare vs pro For Profit Only Heathcare, whatever.
Biden was hoping for a gain of at least 2 Dems in the Senate, numbering 52, in order to thwart the Gridlock posed by Sinema and Manchin in his own Party. He will have to settle for 51 this time around, at best.
If merely squeaking out a 2-3 House seat advantage by one Party "achieved Gridlock" as Elvis hilariously twisted himself into a pretzel trying to prove in another failed attempt to coax one of those highly prized Participation Certificates out of me, well, that would mean many administrations of various Parties got nothing signed and passed throughout their term / s.
Which, although this might come as a shock to history-challeged Repubs like Elvis, didn't happen.
You didn't just say " we would have gridlock. " What you said was this:
There are no alternative meanings to your words. Alternative meanings come later when you attempt to qualify the pure and unadulterated joy derived from the fact that the Reps might once again be able to do what they always do best: sabotage.
https://www.vox.com/2015/3/9/8177815/republicans-foreign-policy-sabotage
What a party!It seems like every Repub on the planet ([Deleted by Admin]) forgets that the Turtle said that his one goal was to make Obama a one-term President. The forget as well that when gasoline was over $4 per gallon in 2008 under W, how Repub politicians were falling all over themselves trying to explain how the President wasn't responsible for gasoline prices.
Now we have stupid Repubs calling for Biden's head because evidently President's do control the price of gasoline. Dumber-than-dogshit Repubs can't spell hypocrisy but they sure think that every voter is as stupid as they are.
But not to worry. Repubs will double-down on their idiocy. They will impeach every Democrat politician whose name they can spell. They'll investigate Hunter Biden for the next 2 years while ignoring the fact that Jaren received 2 billion dollars from the Saudis. They will shut down the government at least once and blame it on the Dems. They will continue to claim that every election that they don't win is fraudulent.
And yes, you are correct. Sabotage is the name of their game. It is the only thing they have in their playbook. Except for grievance politics and backing every cockamamie conspiracy theory that Q comes up with.
Gridlock can be achieved regardless of political party. It can result from Consevative vs Liberal, pro Universal Healthcare vs pro For Profit Only Heathcare, whatever.
Biden was hoping for a gain of at least 2 Dems in the Senate, numbering 52, in order to thwart the Gridlock posed by Sinema and Manchin in his own Party. He will have to settle for 51 this time around, at best.
If merely squeaking out a 2-3 House seat advantage by one Party "achieved Gridlock" as Elvis hilariously twisted himself into a pretzel trying to prove in another failed attempt to coax one of those highly prized Participation Certificates out of me, well, that would mean many administrations of various Parties got nothing signed and passed throughout their term / s.
Which, although this might come as a shock to history-challeged Repubs like Elvis, didn't happen.
No president in modern history faced more potential Gridlock in his first two years in office than Sleepy Joe Brandon....Biden had a mere 5 Dem seat advantage in the House. The rest were America-hating, Dem-hating QAnon Repub loons. He had 47 Dems and 1 Independent on his side in the Senate. The rest were Sinema, Manchin and 50 America-hating, Dem-hating QAnon Repub loons.
Yet he still managed to accomplish more positive legislation, many bipartisan, and positive results for America in these first two years than ANY POTUS of the past 80 years minimum including this current historic first midterm election result.
Biden is a razor sharp, calm, reasoned and seasoned professional who knows WTF he is doing and how to do it. Not a deeply in debt, failed former reality game show host.OK, I'm going to try a different tack. Maybe "we'll just have to disagree" will be sufficient to get a highly prized participation certificate. I'll try that. I guess poking fun at you for confusing the American Rescue Plan with the Build Back Better Bill was not going to get me a certificate. That was stupid on my part. You don't make fun of the Judge and come away with an award.
I strongly disagree with your statement that Biden accomplished more positive legislation than any POTUS for the past 80 years. I don't think any of his headline legislation was positive. The $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan blew our national debt out by 8.5% and supercharged inflation. The infrastructure bill, chip bill, and green "Inflation Reduction Act" bill may have had some good points, but they were mostly corporate welfare, i.e. pork. Biden did get a lot of negative legislation passed, but I can't say it was the worst of any POTUS for the past 80 years.
And thank goodness for Sinema and Manchin! You should be thanking your lucky stars too. I don't know whether you're still a California resident, in the top couple of tax brackets, but if so you'd be paying over 50% tax on your rental income, capital gains and dividend income if not for those two. You should have been praying for Kyrsten's and Joe's good health every night for the last two years, like Mitch McConnell and I did.
But not to worry. Repubs will double-down on their idiocy. They will impeach every Democrat politician whose name they can spell. They'll investigate Hunter Biden for the next 2 years while ignoring the fact that Jaren received 2 billion dollars from the Saudis. They will shut down the government at least once and blame it on the Dems. They will continue to claim that every election that they don't win is fraudulent.
And yes, you are correct. Sabotage is the name of their game. It is the only thing they have in their playbook. Except for grievance politics and backing every cockamamie conspiracy theory that Q comes up with.There's more truth in your post, as it relates to a large segment of the Republican Party, than I like to admit. A lot of it is because of Trump's influence on the party.
OK, I'm going to try a different tack. Maybe "we'll just have to disagree" will be sufficient to get a highly prized participation certificate. I'll try that. I guess poking fun at you for confusing the American Rescue Plan with the Build Back Better Bill was not going to get me a certificate. That was stupid on my part. You don't make fun of the Judge and come away with an award.
I strongly disagree with your statement that Biden accomplished more positive legislation than any POTUS for the past 80 years. I don't think any of his headline legislation was positive. The $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan blew our national debt out by 8.5% and supercharged inflation. The infrastructure bill, chip bill, and green "Inflation Reduction Act" bill may have had some good points, but they were mostly corporate welfare, i.e. pork. Biden did get a lot of negative legislation passed, but I can't say it was the worst of any POTUS for the past 80 years.Yes, you are right that I confused the American Rescue Plan with the Build Back Better Act that was trapped in so much Sinema + Manchin + 50 Repubs in the Senate Gridlock that it had to be abandoned and brought back in a smaller form later as the Inflation Reduction Act, which, since we now know a sizable percentage of the lingering Inflation is nothing more than corporate price gouging, addressed that issue on a couple of important factors brilliantly.
Easy to confuse a historic legislation or two passed by Biden when there have been so many.
However, I am wondering which POTUS of the past 80 years or so you think passed more positive legislation for America in his first two years than Biden, since that was my point.
I mean, I get that you don't think all of it was positive because you read some negative comments about some of it somewhere.
But in order to refute my point shouldn't you at least name another POTUS who passed more, ok, potentially positive legislation in his first two years than Biden has?
Trump?
Clinton?
Reagan?
Bush 1 or 2?
And do tell us what those Acts or Bills were.
...we now know a sizable percentage of the lingering Inflation is nothing more than corporate price gouging, addressed that issue on a couple of important factors brilliantly.Wrong. First, there's nothing "lingering" about 7. 7% YoY CPI inflation. Secondly, as I said previously, through the latest quarter for which data is available, the annual increase in corporate profits, 7.7%, was less than the YoY CPI inflation, 9.1%. Furthermore, the annual increase in corporate profits was only 0.95% of GDP.
Easy to confuse a historic legislation or two passed by Biden when there have been so many.
However, I am wondering which POTUS of the past 80 years or so you think passed more positive legislation for America in his first two years than Biden, since that was my point.
I mean, I get that you don't think all of it was positive because you read some negative comments about some of it somewhere.
But in order to refute my point shouldn't you at least name another POTUS who passed more, ok, potentially positive legislation in his first two years than Biden has?
Trump?
Clinton?
Reagan?
Bush 1 or 2?
And do tell us what those Acts or Bills were.Wow, you've really lightened up your criteria. For about a month you've been asking me and others to come up with a list of bills "revered" by the American public passed when a Republican was president, and Republicans controlled the House and the Senate. You came up with your own list going back to the Roosevelt era. Now there are two problems replying to your challenge. The first is, what you really want is a list of bills revered by Democrats passed when Republicans controlled all the levers of government. The second is that over the period in question Democrats controlled the presidency, senate and house for 36 years, compared to only 8 years for Republicans.
This new challenge is a lot easier, because you don't limit it to the few years when Republicans controlled everything.
I lied by the way, I don't really give diddly squat about that participation certificate, so I'm not going to look up the names of the bills like you asked. But these measures are what I revere that were passed during the first two years of the aforementioned presidents' terms.
The cut in the federal income tax rate from 70% to 50% during the Reagan administration.
The cut in the federal capital gains and dividends tax rates to 15% during the George W. Bush adminstration.
The cut in the corporate income tax rate from 35% to 21% during the Trump administration.
Now if you wanted to expand that from the first two years, then I also revere the cut in the tax rate to 28% and the cut in the capital gains rate to 20% during the later parts of the Reagan and Clinton administrations respectively.
Onto your broader question. Again, I'm a neoliberal, anarcho capitalist, libertarian, small government Republican, so I tend to revere bills that cut the size and power of federal government. However, here's a list Roll Call put out on their 50th anniversary. These are their "ten bills that really mattered" from 1955 to 2005, according to a blue ribbon panel of Congressional scholars. I believe we should kick out the Tonkin Gulf Resolution which most of us here probably agree sucked. Of the nine left, five were passed during Democrat presidential administrations and four during Republican administrations. And furthermore, of the five Democrat bills, at least three, the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, and the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act passed with a higher percentage of Republicans voting in favor than Democrats.
https://rollcall.com/2005/05/02/ten-bills-that-really-mattered/
Civil Rights Act (1964) Democrat.
Voting Rights Act (1965) Democrat.
Medicare and Medicaid acts (1965) Democrat.
Federal-Aid Highway Act (1956) Republican.
Economic Recovery Tax Act (1981) Republican.
National Defense Education Act (1958) Republican.
Amendments to Immigration and Nationality Act (1965) Democrat.
Clean Air Act Amendments (1970) Republican.
Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act (1996) Democrat.
Elvis 2008
11-16-22, 20:12
Damn it Elvis, I don't think we're going to get Tooms to award us that special participation trophy or certificate or whatever it is.Tooms needs a copy of 1984 signed by Orwell as a prize.
So maybe you could explain how you come up with the Democrats' definition of gridlock?.Easy. It makes total sense when you drink a bottle of mezcal, eat the worm, and bang your head against the wall a few times. Of course, now I do not know where I am.
There's more truth in your post, as it relates to a large segment of the Republican Party, than I like to admit. A lot of it is because of Trump's influence on the party.But why? Why does a transparent drifter who's always lying through his teeth has such a grip on the Republican Party? Does it say nothing about the party?
Tooms needs a copy of 1984 signed by Orwell as a prize.Tooms can crank out as many of those prized participation certificates as he wants with a $60 printer. And we're going to dig up and pay for an autographed copy of Orwell's 1984? Respectfully Elvis, NO F*CKING WAY.
Easy. It makes total sense when you drink a bottle of mezcal, eat the worm, and bang your head against the wall a few times. Of course, now I do not know where I am.You forgot the hallucinogenic mushrooms. It won't work without those. Sounds like it's time for a Oaxaca road trip!
But why? Why does a transparent drifter who's always lying through his teeth has such a grip on the Republican Party? Does it say nothing about the party?Hey, Edwin Edwards, a populist Democrat, did the same thing in Louisiana.
I'd throw out a quote of Edwards from 1983 that's remarkably similar to Trump's "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK? It's, like, incredible." But Edwards' statement may violate forum policies.
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