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MarquisdeSade1
12-26-22, 20:34
And a Happy New Year!
2022 Misinformer of the Year: Tucker Carlson
https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/misinformer-year-tucker-carlsonMedialiars aka David Brock.
Firstly, happy festive season little fella. Your one of the most fun and interesting to chat to here. A breath of fresh air in the tide of the propagandised.
Who are the oligarchs? Its those that have the political influence. Most often its the big corporates that buy political policy. Big corporates are legally obliged to be amoral bcos they must make profit above all else. That is primarily how we have arrived at this immoral global mess. Big decisions made by amoral institutions. Occassionally a person can have a big enough stake that they too can an oligrach.
COVID. Its not me that is being misled Tiny. I don't hold any of those positions listed above. My position was always it is a disease of the elderly and infirm. That was clear at the outset and the GBD was based on targetted response. There was no need to involve and ruin the lives of billions of other people.
I haven't been vaxd for 2 reasons:
1. I don't think it is necessary. I am not at risk. One of the biggest lies told was that the vax reduces transmission. We were told that we must get vaxd for the benefit of everyone. LIE.
2. I am a vegan and I will not be forced in to consuming goods that were tested on tortured sentient beings. My life is not worth more than that of any other sentient being. It is pure evil.Well, Merry Christmas to one of my favorite atheists, in cyber space for sure!
I place the blame on the politicians and the people, not the corporates. There's nothing wrong with the pursuit of profit, as long as there's competition, so that prices are low and quality is high. In Pharma, the industry we've been discussing, that's not the case. The politicians should step in and fix that, but they won't.
And who's responsible for electing the politicians? The people. There are candidates like Jeff Flake, Justin Amash and Gary Johnson, who will do and vote for what makes sense. (I lean libertarian and right of center on economic issues so that's why I'm using them as examples. I'm sure there are those out there on the left as well who vote their conscience.) We don't elect those types though.
Same with the media. We've become so divided. People don't want to hear both sides of an issue. To the extent that the corporates are pulling the strings of journalists and the like, it's to appeal to their audiences so they can charge more for advertising. Tucker Carlson was once on MSNBC, but he didn't last, because that's not what their viewership wanted to see. Similarly if Alexandria Ocasio Cortez retired, Fox News wouldn't be offering her a job. You've got half of America watching Fox News and the other half watching left-of-center news, and never shall the twain meet.
We the people get what we want and deserve.
As to COVID, again now that everyone has some immunity from infection and/or vaccination, I think we're arguing about the past. I read a quote from an immunologist/public health expert today who said the probability of the average person in the USA dying from COVID if he contracts it is now about 1 out of 2,000, about the same as the flu. He does however think COVID is a bigger threat because it's more contagious, and there's long COVID.
Anyway, thanks for clarifying why you believe what you do. It makes sense.
I place the blame on the politicians and the people, not the corporates. There's nothing wrong with the pursuit of profit, as long as there's competition, so that prices are low and quality is high. In Pharma, the industry we've been discussing, that's not the case.
Tiny, have I ever given you my fave radioactive isotope analogy? Surely I must have, I use it often enough. Hehe. Pure lassez faire capitlaism is like one of the isotupes of a radioactive element that can only exist in space or in theory (in the table of elements and isotopes) - bcos whenever it males contact with the atmosphere on Earth, it decays in to something else instantly. Likewise, free markets immediately dissolve in to winners and losers, and as soon as one company / business starts to take the upperhand, they start to use their extra gains to exert undue influence on the market. Whether its advertising, or politictal favour, eventually law, and then war. They crush the competition and we end up where we are. Oligrachy and monopoly. A small group of winners and and ever growing nunmber of the exploited. Its called the End times of capitalism.
I trust you can see it. Hopefully given time you will appreciate its truth.
MarquisdeSade1
12-27-22, 05:22
And a Happy New Year!
2022 Misinformer of the Year: Tucker Carlson.
https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/misinformer-year-tucker-carlson
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/worst-media-misses-of-2022/
Medialiars aka David Brock.In order to "prove" what a great guy Misinformer of the Year Tucker Carlson is, your Breitbart link simply included a transcript from Misinformer of the Year Tucker Carlson's own misinformation show with zero links to substantiate his opinions.
In order to prove what a liar Misinformer of the Year Tucker Carlson is, my Media Matters link is chock full of hyper links citing the differences between the blithering misinformation spouted by Misinformer of the Year Tucker Carlson and the facts.
Media Matters is about calling out the media for lies and misinformation regardless of perceived political affiliation. MSNBC's Chris Matthews has earned their Misinformer of the Year Award in the past.
Tiny, have I ever given you my fave radioactive isotope analogy? Surely I must have, I use it often enough. Hehe. Pure lassez faire capitlaism is like one of the isotupes of a radioactive element that can only exist in space or in theory (in the table of elements and isotopes) - bcos whenever it males contact with the atmosphere on Earth, it decays in to something else instantly. Likewise, free markets immediately dissolve in to winners and losers, and as soon as one company / business starts to take the upperhand, they start to use their extra gains to exert undue influence on the market. Whether its advertising, or politictal favour, eventually law, and then war. They crush the competition and we end up where we are. Oligrachy and monopoly. A small group of winners and and ever growing nunmber of the exploited. Its called the End times of capitalism.
I trust you can see it. Hopefully given time you will appreciate its truth.Hi JustTK,
I'm not a fan of government policies that allow the creation of monopolies that disadvantage consumers, which is I think what you're getting at with your criticism of laissez faire capitalism. And I'm certainly not a fan of crony capitalism. I could point to a number of countries in the developing world that have allowed crony capitalism to flourish, to the benefit of local elites, being politicians and well connected businessmen. And the working man has suffered, by paying higher prices for lower quality goods and poor service.
For the most part however, that's not the case in the USA. Health care is an exception, and the politicians should go in and bust some heads to set it right. Protectionism by the Trump and Biden administrations through tariffs and other means (e.g. the "made in America" requirements in Biden's Inflation Reduction Act) is another exception.
I'm not sure what to think about some of the big tech companies like Google, Facebook and Microsoft. Yes, they're close to monopolies, but I'm not sure they disadvantage consumers. Their existence is definitely a huge plus for the USA and the world, although I'm sure they engage in some anticompetitive practices that should be done away with.
Otherwise, the USA, largely as a result of thriving free market capitalism, is prosperous and a consumer's paradise. Companies compete vigorously. Look at retail, where you have Walmart, Costco, Target, Amazon, etc. Builders, landlords, supermarkets, hotels, restaurants, hardware stores, car dealerships, you name it --- there are lots of them in every city, and the competition keeps prices low and quality high.
Over the last hundred years, capitalism, aided by globalism and improvements in technology, has pulled billions out of poverty. And capitalism has pushed out communism and socialism in most of the world, because it works better.
Igualmente Marquis!
Well, he's extremely misleading when he says the vaccinated are more likely to be hospitalized or die. When you segregate the date by age groups, you see that people were much less likely to be hospitalized or die if they'd been vaccinated. Yeah, I'd characterize that as a lie. Tucker Carlson's the one who's telling it. See my link about Simpson's Paradox below. I'll repeat it here:
https://www.ntu.ac.uk/about-us/news/news-articles/2021/11/in-the-wrong-hands,-vaccination-statistics-can-prove-deadly-simpsons-paradox-shows-why
He's probably wrong about the Chinese military unleashing a deadly manufactured virus on the world.
I think he's probably right, that Putin didn't blow up the Gazprom pipeline.
He's absolutely right about Sam Bankman Fried. I love Cramer's comment on CNBC: "Is he the Jay Gould of our era or is he the JP Morgan of our era." Hilarious!
And finally I agree with him about Janet Yellen and "transitory" inflation. Inflation took off when Biden's American Rescue Plan was passed back in March, 2021, and the Fed at least appears to think it's going to go on for quite a while longer.
Thanks for the link, I enjoyed reading it.The inevitable and unavoidable inflation triggered by a blessed recovery from a 2-year worldwide economic paralysis due to Trump's Pandemic and its massive jobs and global supply-chain destruction would naturally need to begin with some kind of effective economic recovery legislation. It wouldn't be about Thoughts and Prayers.
Thank you for reminding us that this great, historic recovery began legislatively with Biden's American Rescue Plan.
I might argue it began spiritually soon after the November 2020 Presidential Election results were announced. But the necessary legislation that really got the recovery up and running for real was definitely Biden's.
And the good news about that inevitable but transitory inflation that a recovery from this particularly deep and virulent Great Repub Economic Disaster would trigger is that the great strides produced by Biden's legislation in terms of jobs creation, wage growth, consumer spending, etc, is not consistent in the least with a recessionary economy and not likely to be without the Fed artificially inducing some elements of it.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/ftx-sam-bankman-fried-bigger-madoff-enron
https://www.ai-cio.com/news/madoff-victims-recovery-tops-80-losses/I actually think SBF's victims will get something back, maybe 10 or 20 cents on the dollar. That's a wild guess. But yes, it will be a lot less than what the people Bernie Madoff conned have received so far.
Trump's rebranding Obama's Rapid Vaccine programs from almost 10 years earlier as "his" Operation Warp Speed was most certainly inspired by the urgent need for worldwide distribution of vaccines ASAP due to Trump's own admitted creation of Trump's Pandemic in the first place.
By Trump's own admission, Trump's Pandemic would have been prevented and the world would not have had these problems if only we had gotten a 2 month heads up about the initial outbreak in China.
Unfortunately, and against all expert advice and dire warnings for him not to do something so stupid and dangerous, Trump made the disastrous decision to defund the CDC and removed the very officials whose job it was to do exactly that 5 months before the initial outbreak..
And, for sure, neither Hillary Clinton nor Joe Biden nor Barack Obama nor any other Dem would have done something as stupid and dangerous as that and produced a Pandemic requiring such rapid vaccine development.
But virtually every Repub would have and would happily do so again.Anthony Fauci, Robert Redfield and others gave the Trump administration a lot of credit for Operation Warp Speed, after Trump left office.
I don't believe there are many (any?) knowledgeable public health experts who would agree with your contention that the pandemic would have been prevented if not for Trump's missteps.
During the very early stage pandemic, the CCP was lying to the local government officials and the people in Wuhan, and persecuting doctors who were attempting to warn the public. What makes you think they would have done jack to allow the CDC to better understand what was going on? There were flights from Wuhan to Europe and the USA all the way up until January 23. By that time COVID was in Europe and there was no way to stop it from developing into a pandemic.
Biden criticized Trump for xenophobia the day after Trump instituted a ban on travel from China.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-biden-called-trumps-travel-restrictions-xenophobic/
Trump's a liar, everybody knows that. And a Chinaphobe. If he did indeed say that there would have been no pandemic if we'd had 2 months more notice, why would you believe him?
If you believe that's how media bias works, your not worth corresponding with. I gave you a link to a book. I would suggest you read it but I know you won't bcos you don't want anything to interfere with your wilful ignorance. But you could easily find a critique: https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/a-critique-of-edward-herman-and-noam-chomskys-manufacturingconsent-the-political-economy-of-mass-media-2168-9717-1000176.php?aid=84135.Hey, you were the guy who provided the link I mentioned. I simply looked at it and commented. If you don't want comments on links you provide don't provide them.
But back to Chomsky. His central thought is: "The behaviour of journalists in the mainstream media is exactly what one would expect, on average, given the power structure of the institutions in which they are employed, and it is predictable in the same sense and for the same reasons that the behaviour of the president of General Motors is predictable. In order to succeed—in order to be hired and promoted—media personnel must avoid questioning the interests of the corporations they work for or the interests of the elite minority who run those corporations. Because journalists naturally do not wish to think of themselves as mercenaries (no one does), they engage in what amounts to a form of self-deception. They typically think of themselves as stalwart defenders of the truth (as suggested by the slogan of the New York Times, "All the news that's fit to print" but when state or corporate interests are at stake they act otherwise, in crucially important ways. In short, very few of them are willing or even able to live up to their responsibility as intellectuals to bring the truth about matters of human significance to an audience that can do something about them."
What is interesting about this is that it mentions "mainstream media" and ignores all rightwingnut media, blogs and all of the rest of the drivel coming from the right. Possibly he ignores the rest because when he published "Manufacturing Consent" in 1988, rightwingnut media didn't exist in its current form. I wonder if he would take them to task as well. But his central thought is still mainstream media is "fake news."
Anthony Fauci, Robert Redfield and others gave the Trump administration a lot of credit for Operation Warp Speed, after Trump left office.
I don't believe there are many (any?) knowledgeable public health experts who would agree with your contention that the pandemic would have been prevented if not for Trump's missteps.
During the very early stage pandemic, the CCP was lying to the local government officials and the people in Wuhan, and persecuting doctors who were attempting to warn the public. What makes you think they would have done jack to allow the CDC to better understand what was going on? There were flights from Wuhan to Europe and the USA all the way up until January 23. By that time COVID was in Europe and there was no way to stop it from developing into a pandemic.
Biden criticized Trump for xenophobia the day after Trump instituted a ban on travel from China.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-biden-called-trumps-travel-restrictions-xenophobic/
Trump's a liar, everybody knows that. And a Chinaphobe. If he did indeed say that there would have been no pandemic if we'd had 2 months more notice, why would you believe him?He didn't say that the pandemic would have been prevented. What he said was that Donnie the Dumbass said it. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-china-trump-idUSKCN229310 and https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/28/trump-says-china-could-have-stopped-covid-19-and-suggests-us-will-seek-damages among other sources.
And, yes, Biden criticized Donnie the Dumbass' "ban" because it was xenophobic. Additionally, Donnie called it a "ban" but it wasn't. It was restrictions only and it didn't restrict everybody. Just Chinese nationals from mainland China. You could still come into the US if you were from Taiwan because everybody knows that Taiwanese have no relatives living in Wuhan, don't know anybody living in Wuhan and certainly have never had a visitor from the mainland who had ever come in contact with anybody who could have had COVID (note: sarcasm alert).
And yes, Donnie did end the program that was supposed to detect things like SARS-CoV-2. https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-04-02/coronavirus-trump-pandemic-program-viruses-detection Of note, ""Coronaviruses were jumping easily across species lines and were ones to watch for epidemics and pandemics," she said.
The program also trained nearly 7,000 people across medical and agricultural sectors in 30 countries in Asia, Africa and the Middle East to help them detect deadly new viruses on their own. One of those labs was the Wuhan Institute of Virology — the Chinese lab that quickly identified SARS-CoV-2, Mazet said. " Would the CDC folks in China have detected SARS-CoV-2 early? Who knows. But the simple fact that Donnie the Dumbass dismantled the program before they could have detected anything was, well, stupid.
He didn't say that the pandemic would have been prevented. What he said was that Donnie the Dumbass said it. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-china-trump-idUSKCN229310 and https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/28/trump-says-china-could-have-stopped-covid-19-and-suggests-us-will-seek-damages among other sources.
And, yes, Biden criticized Donnie the Dumbass' "ban" because it was xenophobic. Additionally, Donnie called it a "ban" but it wasn't. It was restrictions only and it didn't restrict everybody. Just Chinese nationals from mainland China. You could still come into the US if you were from Taiwan because everybody knows that Taiwanese have no relatives living in Wuhan, don't know anybody living in Wuhan and certainly have never had a visitor from the mainland who had ever come in contact with anybody who could have had COVID (note: sarcasm alert).
And yes, Donnie did end the program that was supposed to detect things like SARS-CoV-2. https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-04-02/coronavirus-trump-pandemic-program-viruses-detection Of note, ""Coronaviruses were jumping easily across species lines and were ones to watch for epidemics and pandemics," she said.
The program also trained nearly 7,000 people across medical and agricultural sectors in 30 countries in Asia, Africa and the Middle East to help them detect deadly new viruses on their own. One of those labs was the Wuhan Institute of Virology the Chinese lab that quickly identified SARS-CoV-2, Mazet said. " Would the CDC folks in China have detected SARS-CoV-2 early? Who knows. But the simple fact that Donnie the Dumbass dismantled the program before they could have detected anything was, well, stupid.Hey, while I'm not a fan of the federal government in general, I agree that pandemic preparedness should be a focus of our federal government. George W. Bush and Bill Gates had it right. I'm not going to defend the Trump Administration for reducing funding for that. I will note that the real Dumb Ass behind a lot of the changes was John Bolton, who Trump did eventually fire.
As to Tooms' belief that COVID was "Trump's Pandemic", that Trump was responsible for it, it's laughable. Yes, 350,000 Americans died in 2020 from COVID, before a vaccine was available. Trump should have used the bully pulpit to encourage people to use N95 and KN95 masks and to avoid super spreader events (like his indoor campaign rally.) But a lot of people died in many other countries as well. When Biden took over we had the vaccine. And since then another 700,000 Americans have died from COVID. Fewer would be dead if the Biden administration had used its bully pulpit to persuade more Americans to get vaccinated and get Paxlovid.
Biden's a believer in the vaccine, masks and testing. But boy was he ineffective when it came to implementation. Only about 36% of Americans over 65 have received the bivalent booster. There should have been masks and test kits in every American's Christmas stocking a year ago, when Omicron kicked off. He was a day late and a dollar short.
You'll undoubtedly reply that Republicans were the ones who were less likely to get vaccinated and wear masks. Well, if the current dumb ass in the White House (I'd argue the current and last three occupants were all dumb asses) were a little more bipartisan instead of viewing his job as our country's Divider In Chief, maybe some Republicans would have been more receptive.
The inevitable and unavoidable inflation triggered by a blessed recovery from a 2-year worldwide economic paralysis due to Trump's Pandemic and its massive jobs and global supply-chain destruction would naturally need to begin with some kind of effective economic recovery legislation. It wouldn't be about Thoughts and Prayers.
Thank you for reminding us that this great, historic recovery began legislatively with Biden's American Rescue Plan.
I might argue it began spiritually soon after the November 2020 Presidential Election results were announced. But the necessary legislation that really got the recovery up and running for real was definitely Biden's.
And the good news about that inevitable but transitory inflation that a recovery from this particularly deep and virulent Great Repub Economic Disaster would trigger is that the great strides produced by Biden's legislation in terms of jobs creation, wage growth, consumer spending, etc, is not consistent in the least with a recessionary economy and not likely to be without the Fed artificially inducing some elements of it.Carry on with the propaganda. Most nonpartisan economists who follow this believe the American Rescue Plan, which received "0" Republican votes, worsened inflation, and we would have been better off without it. You can put some Democrat economists in that camp too, like Larry Summers and Jason Furman.
Bidens American Rescue Plan worsened inflation. The question is how much.
https://www.vox.com/23036340/biden-american-rescue-plan-inflation
Inflation in goods and services has risen faster than wages since the American Rescue Plan was passed. The workingman slips farther and farther behind.
It's going to be interesting how you explain the Biden Recession of 2023, given that your analysis of the American economy only considers one variable, which political party the President belongs to.
What is interesting about this is that it mentions "mainstream media" and ignores all rightwingnut media, blogs and all of the rest of the drivel coming from the right. I don't really understand what you mean. Mainstream media means all channels of media that dominate our airwaves due to heavy corporate sponsorship. That includes all the large right wing nutjob news channels such as MSNBC, CNN, Fox, Bloomberg. All of them. The book has been update since its initial publication.
Carry on with the propaganda. Most nonpartisan economists who follow this believe the American Rescue Plan, which received "0" Republican votes, worsened inflation, and we would have been better off without it. You can put some Democrat economists in that camp too, like Larry Summers and Jason Furman.
Bidens American Rescue Plan worsened inflation. The question is how much.
https://www.vox.com/23036340/biden-american-rescue-plan-inflation
Inflation in goods and services has risen faster than wages since the American Rescue Plan was passed. The workingman slips farther and farther behind.
It's going to be interesting how you explain the Biden Recession of 2023, given that your analysis of the American economy only considers one variable, which political party the President belongs to.The "propanganda" is yours as you cherrypicked your own source. It's amazing what one so often finds when they follow the links planted below the biased monger forum analysis. Here's one embedded link within where the case is made that the stimulus plan saved the US economy.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2022/05/02/inflation-rate-biden-stimulus-blamed/9578452002/?gnt-cfr=1
And from your source it says:
"Some economists with lower-end estimates still argue that it's a mistake to put too much blame on the American Rescue Plan, which in their view was just a minor contributor to inflation. The White House shares this view. A senior White House official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said there were other potential explanations for differing core inflation rates in the US and Europe, and that arguments blaming Biden's stimulus were merely correlational.
The US also stands out from other countries in a more favorable way: It had a quicker and stronger economic recovery in 2021. That indeed seems to be partly because of the Biden stimulus spending."
Underline the last point. Therefore it's complicated, and personal opinions are involved, as there's no way to know with certainty what all would have happened had we done much less or nothing. One point is very clear though, inflation has been a worldwide phenomenon, and all the posturing on that front lost the Repubs another seat in the senate while realizing an embarrassing pink trickle in the house.
Anyway I'm glad you guys still have so much time on your hands to try and decipher how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. I just got back from Colombia where I rang the bells of many beautiful, curvaceous 20 somethings. Life is grand and I will return soon. Wink.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URAqnM1PP5E
The "propanganda" is yours as you cherrypicked your own source. It's amazing what one so often finds when they follow the links planted below the biased monger forum analysis. Here's one embedded link within where the case is made that the stimulus plan saved the US economy.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2022/05/02/inflation-rate-biden-stimulus-blamed/9578452002/?gnt-cfr=1
And from your source it says:
"Some economists with lower-end estimates still argue that it's a mistake to put too much blame on the American Rescue Plan, which in their view was just a minor contributor to inflation. The White House shares this view. A senior White House official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said there were other potential explanations for differing core inflation rates in the US and Europe, and that arguments blaming Biden's stimulus were merely correlational.
The US also stands out from other countries in a more favorable way: It had a quicker and stronger economic recovery in 2021. That indeed seems to be partly because of the Biden stimulus spending."
Underline the last point. Therefore it's complicated, and personal opinions are involved, as there's no way to know with certainty what all would have happened had we done much less or nothing. One point is very clear though, inflation has been a worldwide phenomenon, and all the posturing on that front lost the Repubs another seat in the senate while realizing an embarrassing pink trickle in the house.
Anyway I'm glad you guys still have so much time on your hands to try and decipher how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. I just got back from Colombia where I rang the bells of many beautiful, curvaceous 20 somethings. Life is grand and I will return soon. Wink.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URAqnM1PP5EInflation was not a worldwide phenomenon in the first half of 2021. At 6/30/2021, about 4 months after the American Rescue Plan was passed, YoY CPI inflation was under 2% in the Euro area and China and negative in Japan. It was 5.4% in the USA. During the same YoY period, average hourly earnings in the USA were only up 3.95%. Despite 12.5% growth in GDP over that 12 month period, the workingman's inflation adjusted wages fell by 1.5%. And he hasn't regained that since.
YOU'RE the one who's cherry picking. What do you think the White House is going to say? We were wrong? Larry Summers (the most prominent Democrat economist) was right? I don't subscribe to USA Today, so can't read your link. But I'd bet my bottom dollar that anyone quoted in it who actually said the American Rescue Plan saved the economy is highly biased.
All I did was provide a link. I didn't quote any of the text of the article, except the headline. Vox would be a bizarre place for me to go cherry picking. It's considered left wing (https://www.influencewatch.org/for-profit/vox/) and pro Biden. I picked that source because no one could reasonably accuse me of cherry picking it. Vox was founded by Ezra Klein for goodness sake.
The article in its totality, including the charts and comments by the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, Jason Furman (Obama's chief economic advisor), and Wendy Edelberg (economist at left leaning Brookings Institution), will not leave you with a favorable view of the American Rescue Plan.
Congrats on your Colombian conquests. You probably spent more time traveling there than I spent writing here over the last month.
Carry on with the propaganda. Most nonpartisan economists who follow this believe the American Rescue Plan, which received "0" Republican votes, worsened inflation, and we would have been better off without it. You can put some Democrat economists in that camp too, like Larry Summers and Jason Furman.
Bidens American Rescue Plan worsened inflation. The question is how much.
https://www.vox.com/23036340/biden-american-rescue-plan-inflation
Inflation in goods and services has risen faster than wages since the American Rescue Plan was passed. The workingman slips farther and farther behind.
It's going to be interesting how you explain the Biden Recession of 2023, given that your analysis of the American economy only considers one variable, which political party the President belongs to.I was supposed to be explaining The Great Biden Recession that many Wingers here and in the media were screetching that we were already IN back in early 2021.
Never happened.
Anthony Fauci, Robert Redfield and others gave the Trump administration a lot of credit for Operation Warp Speed, after Trump left office.
I don't believe there are many (any?) knowledgeable public health experts who would agree with your contention that the pandemic would have been prevented if not for Trump's missteps.
During the very early stage pandemic, the CCP was lying to the local government officials and the people in Wuhan, and persecuting doctors who were attempting to warn the public. What makes you think they would have done jack to allow the CDC to better understand what was going on? There were flights from Wuhan to Europe and the USA all the way up until January 23. By that time COVID was in Europe and there was no way to stop it from developing into a pandemic.
Biden criticized Trump for xenophobia the day after Trump instituted a ban on travel from China.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-biden-called-trumps-travel-restrictions-xenophobic/
Trump's a liar, everybody knows that. And a Chinaphobe. If he did indeed say that there would have been no pandemic if we'd had 2 months more notice, why would you believe him?Trump agrees with my assessment of it. And when he first agreed with it in March 2020, he most certainly would have been privy to all available intel on why and how Trump's Pandemic could have been prevented:
https://news.yahoo.com/bob-woodward-stunned-trump-told-091902598.html
Trump on recorded audio, "It came out of China. And it shouldve been stopped. And to be honest with you, Barron, they shouldve let it be known it was a problem two months earlier ... the world wouldnt have a problem. We could have stopped it easily.Trump says China should have told us about coronavirus. He removed the official meant to do that.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/23/21190713/coronavirus-trump-china-cdc-embed-quick
With the administration planning to discontinue the role, the embed return to the US about five months before China began to see its first Covid-19 cases. Under normal circumstances, the embed likely would have passed information about the novel virus to US officials. Instead, Chinese officials were able for weeks to conceal the virus and the threat it posed, leading to a delay in the worlds response to what was then a matter of great concern and is now a pandemic.
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Trump said, "I wish China told us three months sooner that this was a problem, the president said. We didnt know about it, they knew about it, and they should have told us, we could have saved a lot of lives throughout the world.
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As Redfield mentioned, the US and China have long collaborated on matters of public health. As part of that collaboration, China has allowed the US to embed a public health official in its CDC.
Until July 2019, that embed was Dr. Linda Quick, an epidemiologist. Quick led a program that trained Chinese epidemiologists in methods for discovering, tracking, researching, and containing diseases like Covid-19.
MarquisdeSade1
12-28-22, 04:46
In order to "prove" what a great guy Misinformer of the Year Tucker Carlson is, your Breitbart link simply included a transcript from Misinformer of the Year Tucker Carlson's own misinformation show with zero links to substantiate his opinions.
In order to prove what a liar Misinformer of the Year Tucker Carlson is, my Media Matters link is chock full of hyper links citing the differences between the blithering misinformation spouted by Misinformer of the Year Tucker Carlson and the facts.
Media Matters is about calling out the media for lies and misinformation regardless of perceived political affiliation. MSNBC's Chris Matthews has earned their Misinformer of the Year Award in the past.
They can't wait to kick Biden in front of a speeding train, they are upset he isn't dead already.
So this CM?
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chris-matthews-i-felt-thi_n_86449
Or this CM?
Sure the left will kick a white guy in front of a speeding train any day of the week.
BTW your attempts to constantly manipulate the overton window on every issue is quite underwhelming I must say jajajajajaja.
ID warn you they will get to you eventually even though you think you're on the same team but you already bolted out of California, or is that why?
Did they sodomize you too bro?
First they came for the Communists.
And I did not speak out.
Because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the Socialists.
And I did not speak out.
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists.
And I did not speak out.
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews.
And I did not speak out.
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me.
And there was no one left.
To speak out for me.
Hey, while I'm not a fan of the federal government in general, I agree that pandemic preparedness should be a focus of our federal government. George W. Bush and Bill Gates had it right. I'm not going to defend the Trump Administration for reducing funding for that. I will note that the real Dumb Ass behind a lot of the changes was John Bolton, who Trump did eventually fire.
As to Tooms' belief that COVID was "Trump's Pandemic", that Trump was responsible for it, it's laughable. Yes, 350,000 Americans died in 2020 from COVID, before a vaccine was available. Trump should have used the bully pulpit to encourage people to use N95 and KN95 masks and to avoid super spreader events (like his indoor campaign rally.) But a lot of people died in many other countries as well. When Biden took over we had the vaccine. And since then another 700,000 Americans have died from COVID. Fewer would be dead if the Biden administration had used its bully pulpit to persuade more Americans to get vaccinated and get Paxlovid.
Biden's a believer in the vaccine, masks and testing. But boy was he ineffective when it came to implementation. Only about 36% of Americans over 65 have received the bivalent booster. There should have been masks and test kits in every American's Christmas stocking a year ago, when Omicron kicked off. He was a day late and a dollar short.
You'll undoubtedly reply that Republicans were the ones who were less likely to get vaccinated and wear masks. Well, if the current dumb ass in the White House (I'd argue the current and last three occupants were all dumb asses) were a little more bipartisan instead of viewing his job as our country's Divider In Chief, maybe some Republicans would have been more receptive.You seem to forget that during one of Donnie the Dumbass' rallies before the 2020 election, he urged his supporters to get vaccinated and they boo'ed him after he said it. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-booed-alabama-rally-after-telling-supporters-get-vaccinated-n1277404 And they also boo'ed him when he said that he had gotten a booster. https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-12-22/trump-tells-followers-he-got-a-booster-shot-they-booed.
What does this mean? What it means is that absolutely nothing that President Biden said or did re: COVID would have convinced Donnie's supporters to get vaccinated or boosted. After all, they were so stupid that they boo'ed their own god!
And the fact is that President Biden did press for more vaccinations. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/11/22/fact-sheet-biden-administration-announces-six-week-campaign-to-get-more-americans-their-updated-covid-19-vaccine-before-end-of-the-year/ But also remember that SCOTUS (predictably) put the kaibash on vaccine mandates.
And you can complain all you want about vaccinations, etc and who refuses to get them but the facts are that, as a group, refusal to get vaccinated is higher (by a lot) among Repubs than Dems. https://morningconsult.com/covid19-vaccine-dashboard/ Free test kits and masks to everybody in the USA would have meant nothing since 30-some-odd-percent of the population would have thrown the masks away anyway.
The USA is so polarized right now that there is absolutely nothing that can be done to vaccinate the unvaccinated and to boost the unboosted. Or to convince the stupid that masks work. Or that social distancing works. Perhaps you remember the old adage: You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. That, in a nutshell, describes the USA.
Elvis 2008
12-28-22, 16:59
Yes, the guy is absolutely full of crap and so is every COVID vaccine denier.Yes, by all means make a statement and then do not look at the data.
Yes, there have been reports of blood clots. Since the vaccine deniers don't believe anything from the CDC, here's some data from the UK's Public Health service: "Up to 28 April 2021, the MHRA received 242 reports of thrombosis events with low platelets of which 93 were cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST), out of a total of 22.6 million first doses ofCOVID-19 AZ vaccine given by that date in the UK. " I'm not going to bother doing the math because the vaccine deniers will say that the math is "fake news", but when I went to school, 242 reported cases out of 22.6 million doses is an extremely small percentage.Hey, that is TTP, a very specific disorder with a 90% mortality if untreated. Thrombotic (clots) thrombocytopenic (low platelets) purpura (rash). This is an autoimmune clotting mechanism different than the one I previously listed, and low platelets are usually associated with high bleeding rates not clots.
And BTW, do you think the immune system works as all or nothing? In other words, do all allergies have to be anaphylactic or can there be milder symptoms like just a rash or a runny nose? Or in this case, can there be clots without TTP? Of course, there can.
Point is the vaccine causes clots, and blood clots are not a big deal if they are just localized to someone's arm. Thing is that the spike protein created by the vaccine and what creates the immune response is not going to do much damage if it stays in the arm. The problem is that it did not. When it hits the ovaries, heart, and lungs, that is when the clotting causes a mess.
Drug companies swore the spike protein stayed in the arm, and it does not. For some people, it migrates, and you have no clue how often it does.
Elvis 2008
12-28-22, 17:26
I tend to believe this guy when he's talking about statins and the like. I don't know, because my doctor's never prescribed those for me, so I've never looked at them closely.Everything he said on statins and the vaccines is correct.
I think he's probably largely full of crap about the COVID vaccine. I say that after initially thinking maybe he's on to something and I've been mistaken. But looking at CDC and UK data, the death rates from heart attacks and other heart disease haven't really gone up since the start of 2021. From listening to him you'd think that deaths from heart disease should be up 20%. They're not.Death rates are tricky. You can put a lot under Covid related deaths. And 95% of all people who die in hospitals have blood clots, and 30% have large ones, so these deaths can be hidden, but there has been a rise in cardiac issues particularly with younger men.
A second point he brought up, that you had to vaccinate 7320 people over the age of 18 to save one life during the Omicron wave, is absurd.No, that is people over 80. The number of people over 18 is probably 100,000 people because so few young people die with the vaccine. At that rate, just the TTP risk would be reason to pull the vaccine. That one in 800 people are disabled from the vaccine is new data to me but is true from what I have seen.
Remember what the vaccine does Tiny. Whenever you see Covid, you see these limbs of attachment. That is the spike protein. It is not the lethal part of the virus, and that spike protein has adapted such that the body's most specific antibodies (monoclonal antibodies) do not recognize it. Most of the lab made monoclonal antibodies (MAs) had to be junked with omicron.
The immune system is like an army and the MAs were the snipers. They would kill the virus and nothing else. The rest of the immune system is like rockets and tanks which destroy healthy tissue along with the virus. And all the vaccine is doing now is those rockets and tanks, and that is why it should be pulled.
What should have happened is the vaccine should have been mandated for everyone if alpha stayed around. With delta, the vaccine should have been limited to high risk. With omicron, it should be pulled. No one asks vaccine status anymore because it does not matter.
So you have the Republican retards who are ridiculously antivax (we do not have any here despite what is said) and then you have the Democratic douches piling on saying the vaccine still works when it clearly does not. It is amazing how much of this debate is driven by politics and not scientific data.
On top of the vaccine not working, this current strand of Covid is not just like the flu. It is much weaker than the flu. This current crop of Influenza A is nasty and the flu vaccine appears not to have worked. Then you are seeing horrible RSV infections in young children which is likely a product of all the stupid school shutdowns and lockdowns.
Just like you have limits on cranking out snipers and tanks during the war, your body has a limited capacity with its immune system. Taking the vaccine is the equivalent of the Maginot line and fighting yesterday's war. I could give a shit about Covid now. You do not even think the people who have it look sick. In comparison, people with influenza A now look like death warmed over. Not only is the drug for it, Tamiflu, been out at most pharmacies, some drug stores are limiting the amount you can purchase of children's Advil and Tylenol.
Interesting post, thanks Elvis.
Death rates are tricky. You can put a lot under Covid related deaths. And 95% of all people who die in hospitals have blood clots, and 30% have large ones, so these deaths can be hidden, but there has been a rise in cardiac issues particularly with younger men.The way around that is to look at excess deaths. The Economist tries to keep track of that on a daily basis, but you have to subscribe to see the data. Our World in Data picks up some of the info from the Economist.
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
And the World Health Organization recently published a paper on the subject in Nature.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05522-2
The excess deaths are higher than actual deaths attributed to COVID. They're not that far apart here in the USA, around 1.3 million excess deaths since the start of COVID compared to the 1.1 million official count. And yes, you can make the argument that, for example, more people died from heart disease in 2020 because they couldn't get into hospitals for routine treatment. Anyway, the CDC maintains that COVID was the third leading cause of death in 2020 and 2021, and will be again in 2022, and I think they're right.
No, that is people over 80. The number of people over 18 is probably 100,000 people because so few young people die with the vaccine. The purported 1 in 7200 number was from Omicron. Given that about one out of every 1100 people in the USA have died from Omicron (300,000 / 330,000,000), and given the vaccine and boosters were about 80% effective in preventing hospitalizations and deaths from Omicron, and given that 64% of the population had been fully vaccinated (and 75% had received at least one shot) at the peak of the Omicron wave, the 1 in 7200 number just doesn't make sense. Based on a back of the envelope calculation based on the preceding, every 820 full vaccinations would have saved one life since Omicron became the predominant variant. And yes, as you've implied, you'll save a lot more lives putting those shots into the arms of the elderly and the high risk than the young and healthy.
By the way, these numbers would also imply an average infection fatality ratio for the unvaccinated during Omicron so far of about 0.19%, or actually a bit lower, as I'm assuming the unvaccinated only got Omicron once. This is lower than the 0.5% back in 2020 and early 2021.
And it's continuing to drop. More and more people have gotten infected, thus gaining immunity. The peak official case count during January, 2022, during the Omicron was around 800,000/ day. Previously the highest was around 250,000 per day.
This virologist estimates the IFR is now around .05% to .07%.
https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1599830528420904961
He was quoted in the New York Times,
"The virologist Trevor Bedford, at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Institute in Seattle, has estimated that the risk of Covid is similar to that of the flu, with one death in 2,000 infections, about one tenth of what it was originally, with one death in 200 infections.
But data from England, and the decrease in publicly reported PCR. Tests, suggests there is likely a tenfold increase in unreported Covid cases compared with a year ago, Dr. Bedford said. Because there are more Covid infections than flu infections each year, more Americans are likely to die from Covid even if the death rate is similar. Moreover, Dr. Bedford wrote on Twitter that the risk of long Covid, a constellation of symptoms that can plague people for months, places the "health burden of Covid substantially higher than influenza."
In any event, it appears that if your average American gets COVID, he's no more likely to die from it than the flu.
I've gotten a flu shot every year since I turned 30. I haven't had the flu since. I got the COVID vaccine and three boosters, and I haven't gotten COVID. In fact, I've only gotten a cold once since COVID kicked off. Maybe the vaccine provides some protection against other coronaviruses, besides COVID. I don't want to get the flu or COVID, so I'll continue getting shots to reduce the risk of getting severe disease.
At that rate, just the TTP risk would be reason to pull the vaccine. That one in 800 people are disabled from the vaccine is new data to me but is true from what I have seen.I wasn't aware of the TTP risk for the mRNA vaccines before reading this. From what I'm Googling, the risk appears to be small. This study was only able to identify published case reports for 27 patients where they linked TTP to the vaccines.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9060716/
I agree there's risk. A friend of mine probably died from the COVID vaccine. Still, I believe it's a numbers game, and for someone my age, I'm about 100X (wild guess) more likely to die from the disease than from the vaccines and boosters.
Remember what the vaccine does Tiny. Whenever you see Covid, you see these limbs of attachment. That is the spike protein. It is not the lethal part of the virus, and that spike protein has adapted such that the body's most specific antibodies (monoclonal antibodies) do not recognize it. Most of the lab made monoclonal antibodies (MAs) had to be junked with omicron.
The immune system is like an army and the MAs were the snipers. They would kill the virus and nothing else. The rest of the immune system is like rockets and tanks which destroy healthy tissue along with the virus. And all the vaccine is doing now is those rockets and tanks, and that is why it should be pulled.Wouldn't the new bivalent vaccine, and newer (future versions) overcome this to an extent, like for the flu vaccine?
On top of the vaccine not working, this current strand of Covid is not just like the flu. It is much weaker than the flu. This current crop of Influenza A is nasty and the flu vaccine appears not to have worked. Then you are seeing horrible RSV infections in young children which is likely a product of all the stupid school shutdowns and lockdowns. Just like you have limits on cranking out snipers and tanks during the war, your body has a limited capacity with its immune system. Taking the vaccine is the equivalent of the Maginot line and fighting yesterday's war. I could give a shit about Covid now. You do not even think the people who have it look sick. In comparison, people with influenza A now look like death warmed over. Not only is the drug for it, Tamiflu, been out at most pharmacies, some drug stores are limiting the amount you can purchase of children's Advil and Tylenol. If you've been following this, I've no doubt it's true, as to the current crop of Influenza A. Bedford's point (see above) is that COVID is more contagious than the flu and COVID can produce long lasting effects.
You seem to forget that during one of Donnie the Dumbass' rallies before the 2020 election, he urged his supporters to get vaccinated and they boo'ed him after he said it. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-booed-alabama-rally-after-telling-supporters-get-vaccinated-n1277404 And they also boo'ed him when he said that he had gotten a booster. https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-12-22/trump-tells-followers-he-got-a-booster-shot-they-booed.
What does this mean? What it means is that absolutely nothing that President Biden said or did re: COVID would have convinced Donnie's supporters to get vaccinated or boosted. After all, they were so stupid that they boo'ed their own god!This is an excellent illustration of why this is not "Trump's Pandemic", as Tooms says. America is a free country. People were going to do what people were going to do, regardless of what Trump did or said. Plus, thankfully given our differences and divisions, we have a federal system. Texas and Florida had different COVID strategies than New York and California. Trump didn't have control over that.
Since February, 2021, those of us who wanted to protect ourselves could get vaccinated and wear N95 or KN95 masks when appropriate. My main complaint about those who took this lightly and got hospitalized for COVID is that that the taxpayer and those paying the insurance bills had to pay for their treatment.
I was supposed to be explaining The Great Biden Recession that many Wingers here and in the media were screetching that we were already IN back in early 2021.
Never happened.There's a good chance we'll go into a recession next year as a result of higher interest rates, to control inflation. Despite my beliefs about the American Rescue Plan I will not ascribe most, or even the majority of the blame for the recession to Biden.
In order to "prove" what a great guy Misinformer of the Year Tucker Carlson is, your Breitbart link simply included a transcript from Misinformer of the Year Tucker Carlson's own misinformation show with zero links to substantiate his opinions.
In order to prove what a liar Misinformer of the Year Tucker Carlson is, my Media Matters link is chock full of hyper links citing the differences between the blithering misinformation spouted by Misinformer of the Year Tucker Carlson and the facts.
Media Matters is about calling out the media for lies and misinformation regardless of perceived political affiliation. MSNBC's Chris Matthews has earned their Misinformer of the Year Award in the past.
They can't wait to kick Biden in front of a speeding train, they are upset he isn't dead already.
So this CM?
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chris-matthews-i-felt-thi_n_86449
Or this CM?
Sure the left will kick a white guy in front of a speeding train any day of the week.
BTW your attempts to constantly manipulate the overton window on every issue is quite underwhelming I must say jajajajajaja.
ID warn you they will get to you eventually even though you think you're on the same team but you already bolted out of California, or is that why?
Did they sodomize you too bro?
First they came for the Communists.
And I did not speak out.
Because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the Socialists.
And I did not speak out.
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists.
And I did not speak out.
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews.
And I did not speak out.
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me.
And there was no one left.
To speak out for me.And all of that drama just to help your beloved Repubs win elections so they can continue to enrich and delight Mainstream Media with their inevitable massive jobs destruction, economic and national security disaster results headlines.
Well, to each his own.
Oh, here's another CM for your collection:
Matthews on Bush and the port deal: He looks like he's a wise man now ... almost Atticus Finch
https://www.mediamatters.org/msnbc/matthews-bush-and-port-deal-he-looks-hes-wise-man-now-almost-atticus-finch
On the February 24 edition of MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews, host Chris Matthews joined Weekly Standard senior writer Stephen F. Hayes in praising President Bush's handling of the controversial agreement to turn over control of six U.S. ports to a company owned by the government of Dubai. Matthews compared Bush to Atticus Finch -- the Alabama lawyer who "represents morality and reason" in Harper Lee's 1960 novel To Kill a Mockingbird (Warner Books).
Matthews's comparison of Bush to Finch -- a character portrayed by Gregory Peck in a 1962 film adaptation (Brentwood Productions, Pakula-Mulligan, Universal International Pictures) of the novel, and voted the number one movie hero of all time by the American Film Institute -- is just the most recent example of his over-the-top praise for Bush. As Media Matters for America has documented, Matthews previously gushed that Bush sometimes glimmers with sunny nobility; and falsely claimed that "everybody sort of likes the president, except for the real whack-jobs."Mind you, until you and your partners in typically pro-Repub MSM helped Trump become a so-called potus, GW Bush had the worst jobs, economic and national security record in history. Quite the opposite of Obama, Biden, Clinton and, well, every other Dem POTUS, you know. The ones we "whack-jobs" prefer to support.
There's a good chance we'll go into a recession next year as a result of higher interest rates, to control inflation. Despite my beliefs about the American Rescue Plan I will not ascribe most, or even the majority of the blame for the recession to Biden.But why wouldn't you?
If you think the hyper-inflation occurring around the world was largely or significantly triggered by Biden's American Rescue Plan recovery legislation rather than the inevitable outcome of waking up and reviving pent up consumerism from a 2-year economic coma in the midst of collapsed global supply-chains and nonexistent staffing, wouldn't that legislation also be the culprit behind the Fed's efforts to artificially induce a recession in order to tame it?
My main complaint about those who took this lightly and got hospitalized for COVID is that that the taxpayer and those paying the insurance bills had to pay for their treatment.Ok great to hear that your a vegan, teetotal, exercising, non-smoker Tiny.
Ok great to hear that your a vegan, teetotal, exercising, non-smoker Tiny.Hey, I don't think there's any way society can avoid paying for medical expenses of smokers, the obese, the alcoholics, the sedentary and those who contract diseases because they're not cautious. And I don't believe it would be morally justified. But people who do that should stop. They put a cost on the rest of us, and most importantly on themselves. And yes, for most of us, in the long term smoking was and is a much, much bigger risk than failing to use masks when appropriate or not getting vaccinated.
As I've mentioned a couple of times to you, at this point, given that almost all Americans and Europeans have some immunity from COVID through disease if not vaccination, I don't think this is much of an issue. We're arguing about history. Please note I used past tense.
But why wouldn't you [blame Biden for a recession caused by the Fed increasing interest rates to control inflation]?
If you think the hyper-inflation occurring around the world was largely or significantly triggered by Biden's American Rescue Plan recovery legislation rather than the inevitable outcome of waking up and reviving pent up consumerism from a 2-year economic coma in the midst of collapsed global supply-chains and nonexistent staffing, wouldn't that legislation also be the culprit behind the Fed's efforts to artificially induce a recession in order to tame it?
And blaming recessions on the president is downright naive. To the extent that government has any control over the economic cycle, it's mostly in the hands of the Fed. What control does the chief executive, or the central bank (Fed) for that matter, have over whether there's a pandemic? Or whether OPEC decides to jack up oil prices? The timing of a dot com boom? Or, as an explanation of recessions in European countries, and a partial explanation of the upcoming Biden recession, a Russian invasion of Ukraine? Well, not a hell of a lot.
I tried to make this sink in by showing the correlation between Democratic presidents and American casualties in foreign wars, but it didn't stick, at least for Tooms.First, outside of a few countries like Argentina, Turkey, Venezuela and Zimbabwe, there is no hyper-inflation. I'd argue it's not necessarily a world wide problem. YoY inflation is sub 5% in east Asia (1.6% in China) and not way out of line with historical levels in a number of developing countries, like India and Brazil.
The USA sticks out as the only major economy suffering from high inflation in 2021, as you can see from the chart in my link. And, like the most prominent of economists affiliated with the Democratic Party, Larry Summers, I attribute a lot of that to Biden's American Rescue Plan.
Inflation in Europe is largely a result of
(a) the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I question whether this would have happened if Trump had been re-elected. I would not fault Biden though. The result would have been the same if most of the other establishment Democrats and Republicans were president instead.
(b) foolish energy policies on the part of European countries, which largely mirror what Democrats, progressives in particular, have wished for. Germany was doing away with its nuclear plants. Coal fired power plants were scrapped. Huge investment went into wind and solar, which cannot supply baseload capacity, when the wind doesn't blow or the sun doesn't shine. Europe didn't diversify its energy sources, by for example adding more LNG regassification facilities. (Compare to the Biden administration's shut down of the Keystone pipeline expansion, and the embargo on Venezuelan crude imports by Democrat wannabe Donald Trump.) Again I don't fault Biden. Biden is not the president of Europe.
As to the supply chain disruptions, causes included
(c) lockdowns in China to control COVID. These were similar to lockdowns favored by a number of Democratic state and local politicians to control COVID in the USA. Based on your criticisms of the "Trump Pandemic", I guess you favored them as well. I don't know how else the USA could have achieved results similar to China, Taiwan, New Zealand, etc. , without a huge, long nationwide lockdown. I don't fault Biden however, as Biden is not the president of China.
(e) The Trump and Biden Tariffs on China ripped apart supply chains.
(f) logistical snafus in the USA. The ports in California were perhaps the biggest contributor. Maybe you can blame local and state Democratic politicians, but not Biden. Biden's not dictator of California.
(g) not enough labor. Young to early-middle-aged male adults, a majority of whom were Democrats and Millenials, decided to sit on their asses in Mom's and Dad's house instead of returning to the labor force. To his credit, Biden has not been sitting on his ass. He's much more active than your average 80 year old. Maybe some of this is attributable to poorly targeted government programs, like in the American Rescue Plan, which may have discouraged work.
As to the issue at hand, the huge overstimulation of the USA Economy, there are mitigating circumstances, as to Biden's involvement.
(h) Donald Trump (Democrat implant in the Republican Party), Nancy Pelosi and many Congressmen were complicit in the huge helicopter drops of money into the USA Economy that resulted in $2. 5 trillion in excess savings by mid 2021. So the increase in demand for goods and services resulted not just from the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan, but earlier legislation as well. Every Democrat in Congress supported the American Rescue Plan. It wasn't just Joe Biden's fault.
(i) The Fed should have been increasing interest rates, starting from when the American Rescue Plan ignited inflation. It didn't. Admittedly the Fed Board of Governors is composed mostly of members appointed or re-appointed by Biden, but I think regardless, it would have been late to the game.
First, outside of a few countries like Argentina, Turkey, Venezuela and Zimbabwe, there is no hyper-inflation. I'd argue it's not necessarily a world wide problem. YoY inflation is sub 5% in east Asia (1.6% in China) and not way out of line with historical levels in a number of developing countries, like India and Brazil.
The USA sticks out as the only major economy suffering from high inflation in 2021, as you can see from the chart in my link. And, like the most prominent of economists affiliated with the Democratic Party, Larry Summers, I attribute a lot of that to Biden's American Rescue Plan.
Inflation in Europe is largely a result of
(a) the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I question whether this would have happened if Trump had been re-elected. I would not fault Biden though. The result would have been the same if most of the other establishment Democrats and Republicans were president instead.
(b) foolish energy policies on the part of European countries, which largely mirror what Democrats, progressives in particular, have wished for. Germany was doing away with its nuclear plants. Coal fired power plants were scrapped. Huge investment went into wind and solar, which cannot supply baseload capacity, when the wind doesn't blow or the sun doesn't shine. Europe didn't diversify its energy sources, by for example adding more LNG regassification facilities. (Compare to the Biden administration's shut down of the Keystone pipeline expansion, and the embargo on Venezuelan crude imports by Democrat wannabe Donald Trump.) Again I don't fault Biden. Biden is not the president of Europe.
As to the supply chain disruptions, causes included
(c) lockdowns in China to control COVID. These were similar to lockdowns favored by a number of Democratic state and local politicians to control COVID in the USA. Based on your criticisms of the "Trump Pandemic", I guess you favored them as well. I don't know how else the USA could have achieved results similar to China, Taiwan, New Zealand, etc. , without a huge, long nationwide lockdown. I don't fault Biden however, as Biden is not the president of China.
(e) The Trump and Biden Tariffs on China ripped apart supply chains.
(f) logistical snafus in the USA. The ports in California were perhaps the biggest contributor. Maybe you can blame local and state Democratic politicians, but not Biden. Biden's not dictator of California.
(g) not enough labor. Young to early-middle-aged male adults, a majority of whom were Democrats and Millenials, decided to sit on their asses in Mom's and Dad's house instead of returning to the labor force. To his credit, Biden has not been sitting on his ass. He's much more active than your average 80 year old. Maybe some of this is attributable to poorly targeted government programs, like in the American Rescue Plan, which may have discouraged work.
As to the issue at hand, the huge overstimulation of the USA Economy, there are mitigating circumstances, as to Biden's involvement.
(h) Donald Trump (Democrat implant in the Republican Party), Nancy Pelosi and many Congressmen were complicit in the huge helicopter drops of money into the USA Economy that resulted in $2. 5 trillion in excess savings by mid 2021. So the increase in demand for goods and services resulted not just from the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan, but earlier legislation as well. Every Democrat in Congress supported the American Rescue Plan. It wasn't just Joe Biden's fault.
(i) The Fed should have been increasing interest rates, starting from when the American Rescue Plan ignited inflation. It didn't. Admittedly the Fed Board of Governors is composed mostly of members appointed or re-appointed by Biden, but I think regardless, it would have been late to the game.Very few if any other countries jumped into effective Trump's Pandemic vaccination and economic recovery measures as quickly in early 2021 as the USA did.
Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck, the Dems and everyone who voted for them.
You want Chinese-style lingering shit economic conditions, crap jobs creation and YoY 1. 6% inflation in America while other countries' economies and recoveries from that 2-year Trump's Pandemic economic coma are roaring ahead at historic rates and capturing every available future economic opportunity in sight? No problem; help Repubs get elected so they can propose and achieve their usual crap economic results agenda, wipe out millions of jobs and plunge the country into another Great Repub Recession / Depression.
They've got the market cornered on keeping inflation very, very low in America that way.
BTW, other than you, I don't know anyone who gives a shit about what Larry Summers thinks. Not even Democrats I know. Many Dems thought Summers was almost as much of a load and drag on what could have been an even faster and better recovery from GW Bush's Great Repub Crash and Recession under Obama as the Repubs in Congress. Summers' involvement in domestic economic issues under Clinton didn't even happen until after the most important and effective economic legislation had already been passed by Clinton and his Dem Congress.
Elvis 2008
12-30-22, 16:24
The excess deaths are higher than actual deaths attributed to COVID. They're not that far apart here in the USA, around 1.3 million excess deaths since the start of COVID compared to the 1.1 million official count. And yes, you can make the argument that, for example, more people died from heart disease in 2020 because they couldn't get into hospitals for routine treatment. Anyway, the CDC maintains that COVID was the third leading cause of death in 2020 and 2021, and will be again in 2022, and I think they're right.
The purported 1 in 7200 number was from Omicron. Given that about one out of every 1100 people in the USA have died from Omicron (300,000 / 330,000,000), and given the vaccine and boosters were about 80% effective in preventing hospitalizations and deaths from Omicron, and given that 64% of the population had been fully vaccinated (and 75% had received at least one shot) at the peak of the Omicron wave, the 1 in 7200 number just doesn't make sense. Based on a back of the envelope calculation based on the preceding, every 820 full vaccinations would have saved one life since Omicron became the predominant variant. And yes, as you've implied, you'll save a lot more lives putting those shots into the arms of the elderly and the high risk than the young and healthy.Tiny, those numbers are way off.
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220621/Only-2025-of-Americans-have-effective-protection-against-Omicron-infection.aspx
The study results demonstrated that the estimated proportion of the US population with a SARS-CoV-2 vaccination or infection history as of December 1, 2021, was 88.2%. Moreover, effective immunity toward the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron strain infection on December 1, 2021, was 21.8% nationwide.
https://time.com/6215580/original-vaccines-effectiveness-against-omicron/
Researchers in Ontario analyzed data from more than 134,000 people, including those who tested positive for Delta and Omicron infections during December 2021. They found that people who were fully vaccinated (with two doses of an mRNA vaccine, from either Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech) experienced a decline in vaccine effectiveness against both Delta and Omicron infections, but the drop was greater against Omicron than against Delta. Among the vaccinated, the shots' effectiveness declined from 36% up to two months after the second dose of the primary series, to 1% up to four months later (or six months after the second dose).
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/omicron-boosters-probably-aren-t-very-effective-against-mild-covid-illness-but-will-likely-prevent-hospitalizations-experts-say/ar-AA14yLok
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in a real-world study published this week, found the boosters are less than 50% effective against mild illness across almost all adult age groups when compared to people who are unvaccinated.
And Tiny, you have to get 50% effectiveness to have a vaccine approved, and this is not against anything other than mild illness. That the vaccines are being mandated at this point is absurd, and those death numbers are crazy. I have seen one really sick person with omicron versus hundreds with the other strains. One in three Covid deaths due to omicron then is nuts.
Wouldn't the new bivalent vaccine, and newer (future versions) overcome this to an extent, like for the flu vaccine?I have not seen any vaccine work against omicron and what is worse is the double blind placebo controlled studies for safety are not being done.
And Paxlovid is a shit drug too. https://time.com/6198667/paxlovid-who-should-take-covid-19/.
When you say it does not help the vaccinated and people under 65 (one study showed it hurt younger people), you are stretching it. To me, it is like what is next? People with jock itch but only those with warts on their left foot? And seeing as how the vaccines do not work against omicron, why should they affect Paxlovid? Still, this shit drug is slated to make billions just like the vaccines that do not work against omicron either.
Our entire initial response was based on what China did and how it "worked". Well, we know now it did not work. That form of the virus just burned itself out after three months like it always does and a new strain came back.
And it is hilarious to read how China is in such trouble because they have no immunity as if we do. If our immunity rate was 20% a year ago, it certainly is lower now. China is going to be fine because their version of Covid is just not that bad. They just needed to quit freaking out about Covid.
Governments fucking around with viruses caused this pandemic, and the scary part is how cheap and easy it is to do. I showed a study where researchers made a Covid strain that was 80% lethal.
This stuff needs to be buttoned up as tight as nuclear power, and people should be asking how government let this happen and trusting them way less than they do.
Instead we have these Democratic who swear all these government interventions worked when they did not do shit. What does work and what likely will always work is what TK advocated, healthy living.
Elvis 2008
12-30-22, 16:31
Very few if any other countries jumped into effective Trump's Pandemic vaccination and economic recovery measures as quickly in early 2021 as the USA did.
Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck, the Dems and everyone who voted for them.LOL. More people died with Biden as president than Trump with the virus. Meanwhile, you douches still keep thinking you can control the climate. Hey, Tooms, so tell me how is it that this record cold snap is the fault of Republicans and not Democrats?
LOL. More people died with Biden as president than Trump with the virus. Meanwhile, you douches still keep thinking you can control the climate. Hey, Tooms, so tell me how is it that this record cold snap is the fault of Republicans and not Democrats?LOL. Yeah, mostly sucker Repubs who fell for Trump's near year long BS that "It's disappearing. It will go away without a vaccine"!
Oh well. Biden tried to save their lives anyway.
Record-Breaking Heatwaves Around the World In 2022
https://www.careourearth.com/record-breaking-heatwaves-around-the-world-in-2022/
LOL. More people died with Biden as president than Trump with the virus.
Indeed!
Very few if any other countries jumped into effective Trump's Pandemic vaccination and economic recovery measures as quickly in early 2021 as the USA did.You're too generous. It wasn't only the Trump Administration and its Operation Warp Speed that paved the way to vaccinate most Americans and recover from the pandemic. Pfizer, BioNTech, and Moderna were each just as or more important.
I read the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan as a % of GDP was much larger than any stimulus plan passed by any other country in 2021, which is largely or mostly why inflation hit us before other countries. And that was just part of the $5 trillion in additional spending authorized by a Democratic President, House and Senate during the two years they controlled government.
Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck, the Dems and everyone who voted for them.I would thank them too if I were you! If my income were from renting out apartments and houses, like yours, I'd be over the moon! In the 12 months after the American Rescue Plan was passed and turbocharged inflation (March, 2021 to March, 2022) , asking rental rates were up 17%.
https://www.redfin.com/news/redfin-rental-report-may-2022/
Average hourly earnings however were only up 5.6%.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES0500000003
Yes, landlords like you benefitted mightily. Working men and women who were stretching harder and harder to pay their rents did not.
You want Chinese-style lingering shit economic conditions, crap jobs creation and YoY 1.6% inflation in AmericaI'm confused. I thought that was what you wanted. The only way to prevent your so called "Trump Pandemic" in the USA would have been to institute lockdowns and controls like Peoples' Republic of China. Forever. And yes, the result would be lingering shit economic conditions, crap jobs creation, and low inflation or deflation. Forever.
BTW, other than you, I don't know anyone who gives a shit about what Larry Summers thinks. Not even Democrats I know. Many Dems thought Summers was almost as much of a load and drag on what could have been an even faster and better recovery from GW Bush's Great Repub Crash and Recession under Obama as the Repubs in Congress. Summers' involvement in domestic economic issues under Clinton didn't even happen until after the most important and effective economic legislation had already been passed by Clinton and his Dem Congress.Summers and Furman agree that additional stimulus would have been wise after the 2008 recession caused by the Fed, mortgage originators, lenders, rating agencies and homebuyers, aided and abetted by Barney Frank, Charlie Rangel, Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, and other Democratic politicians who forced financial institutions to give housing loans to people who could not afford them. They also agree the American Rescue Plan put way too much stimulus into the economy, and played a major part in the inflation since its passage.
As Robert Rubin's deputy, and later as Secretary of the Treasury, Summers presided over good things, along with President Clinton, Newt Gingrich, and a Republican House. (Spending bills originate in the House.) Federal government expenditures were the lowest as a % of GDP since the Ford administration. And they'll probably never be that low again. We balanced the budget and lowered the capital gains tax.
Indeed!
You're too generous. It wasn't only the Trump Administration and its Operation Warp Speed that paved the way to vaccinate most Americans and recover from the pandemic. Pfizer, BioNTech, and Moderna were each just as or more important.
I read the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan as a % of GDP was much larger than any stimulus plan passed by any other country in 2021, which is largely or mostly why inflation hit us before other countries. And that was just part of the $5 trillion in additional spending authorized by a Democratic President, House and Senate during the two years they controlled government.
I would thank them too if I were you! If my income were from renting out apartments and houses, like yours, I'd be over the moon! In the 12 months after the American Rescue Plan was passed and turbocharged inflation (March, 2021 to March, 2022) , asking rental rates were up 17%.
https://www.redfin.com/news/redfin-rental-report-may-2022/
Average hourly earnings however were only up 5.6%.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES0500000003
Yes, landlords like you benefitted mightily. Working men and women who were stretching harder and harder to pay their rents did not.
I'm confused. I thought that was what you wanted. The only way to prevent your so called "Trump Pandemic" in the USA would have been to institute lockdowns and controls like Peoples' Republic of China. Forever. And yes, the result would be lingering shit economic conditions, crap jobs creation, and low inflation or deflation. Forever.
Summers and Furman agree that additional stimulus would have been wise after the 2008 recession caused by the Fed, mortgage originators, lenders, rating agencies and homebuyers, aided and abetted by Barney Frank, Charlie Rangel, Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, and other Democratic politicians who forced financial institutions to give housing loans to people who could not afford them. They also agree the American Rescue Plan put way too much stimulus into the economy, and played a major part in the inflation since its passage.
As Robert Rubin's deputy, and later as Secretary of the Treasury, Summers presided over good things, along with President Clinton, Newt Gingrich, and a Republican House. (Spending bills originate in the House.) Federal government expenditures were the lowest as a % of GDP since the Ford administration. And they'll probably never be that low again. We balanced the budget and lowered the capital gains tax.Now we have evidence that the 2 million+ American deaths from Trump's Pandemic virus spanning 2020 and into 2021 was a Trump Team and Family effort and result, not just due to Trump's own disastrous decisions creating the Pandemic in the first place and then assuring his mass murder victims for nearly a year that "It's disappearing. It will go away without a vaccine"!
Transcripts: Jared Blocked Biden Transition From Covid Planning.
Biden was particularly angered that by slowing the transition process, Trumps actions could lead to more deaths
https://crooksandliars.com/2022/12/transcripts-jared-blocked-biden-transition
Also, here are some of the Real World factors academics like Larry Summers missed when they jotted down a few math calculations and concluded, "Gee, lookie here. This stimulus is too much! We should do less now and do a little more next year, maybe a little more the year after that. You know, wait for those collapsed global supply-chains to start cranking out more supply so we don't overwhelm them with demand before they are ready to deliver. ".
Sounds wonderful, right? What a pleasant idea. Kinda' like that wonderfully pleasant Supply-Side / Trickle-Down Repub economic idea.
And it would have Crashed into the Real World and failed just as miserably.
1. Biden knew there was a 99.99% chance of at least a Pink Tinkle, a nod to PVM for that appropriate "Pink" description LOL, in the House at the 2022 midterms. Which meant there would be NO followup ANYTHING emanating from the House to help the USA or Global Economies starting this very next week. Practically speaking, anything that was going to recover America and worldwide economies from Trump's Pandemic disaster needed to be done in the first year or two. Period. There would be no 2nd, 3rd or more shots at it over a pleasantly paced few years.
Just one Dem Senate death, scandal bad enough to drive one out of office or defection for personal enrichment at any minute from January 20,2021 would also put a complete and total end to the recovery if all the usual Repub shenanigans worked to replace them with just one Repub.
2. Global supply-chains were NOT going to crank up back in action, rehire millions, start producing goods and products, shipping channels start flowing apace and all of the other pleasant conditions that counter the risk of hyper-inflation BEFORE there was overwhelming demand forcing them to do so. It does not happen the other way around in economics or business. Ever. Note the constant disastrous failure of that pleasant Supply-Side / Trickle-Down Repub idea.
Nope. Somebody, somewhere, some big and powerful nation of consumers, people who not only had the power to do it but could well afford to do it needed to lead the way to creating that overwhelming demand first and, yep, take the earliest hit of lower supply vs higher demand inflation and get those global supply-chains and shipping channels moving again, snap them out of their 2-year coma and start recovering the world from the unprecedented economic disaster of Trump's Pandemic.
But who in the world would be the logical leader for such a thing? Goodness gracious, Larry, let's put our pencils down, gather our Thoughts and Prayers and see if we can come up with the name of a nation brave and capable enough to do it.
Zimbabwe?
Brexit-crippled United Kingdom?
China?
How about the United States of America, Larry?
Thank you, America. More specifically, thank you Joe, Nancy, Chuck, the Dems and everyone who voted for them.
And, sure enough, they managed to lead the world in this historic recovery when no other nation would or could, weather the hyper-inflation without any significant hit to historic domestic jobs creation, consumer spending and economic expansion strong enough to make it a serious challenge for the Fed to artificially induce so much as a mild recession in order to cool it down.
That's what Biden knew and factored into the calculation that academics like Larry Summers did not.
Indeed!
You're too generous. It wasn't only the Trump Administration and its Operation Warp Speed that paved the way to vaccinate most Americans and recover from the pandemic. Pfizer, BioNTech, and Moderna were each just as or more important.
I read the $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan as a % of GDP was much larger than any stimulus plan passed by any other country in 2021, which is largely or mostly why inflation hit us before other countries. And that was just part of the $5 trillion in additional spending authorized by a Democratic President, House and Senate during the two years they controlled government.
I would thank them too if I were you! If my income were from renting out apartments and houses, like yours, I'd be over the moon! In the 12 months after the American Rescue Plan was passed and turbocharged inflation (March, 2021 to March, 2022) , asking rental rates were up 17%.
https://www.redfin.com/news/redfin-rental-report-may-2022/
Average hourly earnings however were only up 5.6%.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES0500000003
Yes, landlords like you benefitted mightily. Working men and women who were stretching harder and harder to pay their rents did not.
I'm confused. I thought that was what you wanted. The only way to prevent your so called "Trump Pandemic" in the USA would have been to institute lockdowns and controls like Peoples' Republic of China. Forever. And yes, the result would be lingering shit economic conditions, crap jobs creation, and low inflation or deflation. Forever.
Summers and Furman agree that additional stimulus would have been wise after the 2008 recession caused by the Fed, mortgage originators, lenders, rating agencies and homebuyers, aided and abetted by Barney Frank, Charlie Rangel, Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, and other Democratic politicians who forced financial institutions to give housing loans to people who could not afford them. They also agree the American Rescue Plan put way too much stimulus into the economy, and played a major part in the inflation since its passage.
As Robert Rubin's deputy, and later as Secretary of the Treasury, Summers presided over good things, along with President Clinton, Newt Gingrich, and a Republican House. (Spending bills originate in the House.) Federal government expenditures were the lowest as a % of GDP since the Ford administration. And they'll probably never be that low again. We balanced the budget and lowered the capital gains tax.As a landlord, the destruction of worldwide economies thanks to Trump creating Trump's Pandemic has not been a net gain for me. Trump's decisions and economic stewardship wiping out millions upon millions of jobs for working men and women is not "good" for landlords whose tenants are those very men and women.
Despite Biden's historic jobs creation and recovery from the colossal mess Trump created and left behind, the mess was great enough for me to earn a tax refund for 2020, the first in several decades, due to lost income from a rental gone empty for a few months in 2020. In order to get it rented again ASAP under Trump's dire economic conditions, I did not increase the ask any higher than it had been before. I only raised rent a couple of months after I could according to the lease terms and then only by 5%.
And on the Trump lockdowns and closures, you do appear to be quite confused as stated. See, if Trump had not removed the officials whose job it was to monitor and alert the world of a potential Pandemic 5 months before those first cases emerged in China while Trump's intel assured him only a two or three month heads up would have been plenty to prevent the Pandemic from happening in the first place, there would have been no need for all those lockdowns and closures anywhere outside of a particular region in China.
And all while the vaccine manufacturers could follow Obama's Rapid Vaccine Response programs to create, test and acquire more effective and efficient approval of the best vaccines for it.
Where you got the idea that I wanted Trump to create Trump's Pandemic and plunge the world into economic paralysis, lockdowns and closures is bewildering and, I suppose, evidence of your confusion.
Hi Elvis,
Like I mentioned to JustTK a couple of times, we're arguing about history. Now practically all unvaccinated Americans have some immunity from severe COVID infection by virtue of being infected.
I never said the vaccine and boosters provided good protection from infection with Omicron variants. Rather, they provided good protection from severe disease, meaning hospitalization and death, in particular for older and high risk people.
This chart is enlightening, which shows death rate by vaccination status, for Americans over 50, from April 2, 2022 to September 3, 2022, when Omicron has predominated.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?country=~50%2B
Your sources show something similar if you dig deeper. For example,
Tiny, those numbers are way off.
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220621/Only-2025-of-Americans-have-effective-protection-against-Omicron-infection.aspx
The study results demonstrated that the estimated proportion of the US population with a SARS-CoV-2 vaccination or infection history as of December 1, 2021, was 88.2%. Moreover, effective immunity toward the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron strain infection on December 1, 2021, was 21.8% nationwide.Your link above says, "Effective immunity against severe COVID-19 associated with Omicron was 61.2% across the US. " Please note that the effective immunity against severe disease from Omicron would be higher for the vaccinated and boosted versus the unvaccinated.
https://time.com/6215580/original-vaccines-effectiveness-against-omicron/
Researchers in Ontario analyzed data from more than 134,000 people, including those who tested positive for Delta and Omicron infections during December 2021. They found that people who were fully vaccinated (with two doses of an mRNA vaccine, from either Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech) experienced a decline in vaccine effectiveness against both Delta and Omicron infections, but the drop was greater against Omicron than against Delta. Among the vaccinated, the shots' effectiveness declined from 36% up to two months after the second dose of the primary series, to 1% up to four months later (or six months after the second dose).From the link above, "On the plus side, Kwong's study confirmed previous data showing that vaccinated people who also received a first booster dose remain protected from getting seriously ill with COVID-19, even if they are infected with Omicron; vaccine effectiveness against severe disease was about 95% a week or more after the third dose."
The study described in your third link, on msn.com, which has been highly publicized from what I can see, didn't look at severe disease.
This study was mentioned prominently on Doctor Radio (Sirius XM channel 110) the other evening, which indicates the new Omicron booster is 84% effective at keeping people over 65 out of the hospital, compared to seniors who never got the vaccine:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm715152e2.htm
Like I've written here before, mostly replying to JustTK, if you're relatively young and not high risk, the case wasn't as strong for vaccination and boosters. If I had been 30 again in 2021, I probably would have gotten vaccinated and boosted, but I'm not sure that would be the best path to take. For people like me though, who are older or high risk, it's a no brainer.
And Paxlovid is a shit drug too. https://time.com/6198667/paxlovid-who-should-take-covid-19/.
When you say it does not help the vaccinated and people under 65 (one study showed it hurt younger people), you are stretching it. To me, it is like what is next? People with jock itch but only those with warts on their left foot? And seeing as how the vaccines do not work against omicron, why should they affect Paxlovid? Still, this shit drug is slated to make billions just like the vaccines that do not work against omicron either.From what I've read and heard on Doctor Radio, Paxlovid is a great option for high risk patients. I'm not sure that I'd be classified as high risk, being over 50 but under 65 but otherwise healthy. But I don't care. I'd take try to get the stuff, even if symptoms were mild at the time of the test. What's the downside? From what people have told me and what I've read, it's the taste. A small price to pay if it prevents hospitalization or long COVID. The Japanese are the most overmedicated people in the world, and they live longer than the rest of us.
You seem to know more about this than your average bear though. If you're aware of real downsides, other than having to stop certain medications while you're on Paxlovid, I'd appreciate your passing that on.
And on the Trump lockdowns and closures, you do appear to be quite confused as stated. See, if Trump had not removed the officials whose job it was to monitor and alert the world of a potential Pandemic 5 months before those first cases emerged in China while Trump's intel assured him only a two or three month heads up would have been plenty to prevent the Pandemic from happening in the first place, there would have been no need for all those lockdowns and closures anywhere outside of a particular region in China.Hi Tooms, This sounds like something that might come from the pen of a conspiracy theorist, like a QAnon adherent, instead of one of our venerable left-of-center Board Members. It might make a good plot for a movie. A young Harrison Ford is a scientist who is planted within the Chinese CDC. He brilliantly and presciently persuades the Chinese authorities that the world is on the verge of a pandemic and somehow they stop the spread.
But come on. We're not living in the world of Deng Xiaopeng and Jimmy Carter. We're living in the world of Ji Xin Ping, and both American political parties want to punish China economically and the Democrats want to make Ji a pariah. Chinese authorities covered up the pandemic, and persecuted doctors and other citizens who tried to publicize what was happening in Wuhan. Millions of Chinese, a number of whom were infected with COVID, were flying all over China and the rest of the world up through the Lunar New Year (late January, 2020). The cat was out of the bag. COVID mostly came to the USA via travelers from Europe, not China.
The World Health Organization wasn't in a position to make a difference, let alone the USA CDC.
https://crooksandliars.com/2022/12/transcripts-jared-blocked-biden-transitionThat's a new one, Crooks and Liars, a Progressive media site dedicated to calling Republicans crooks and liars. Well, Americans need to pull their heads out of the sand. Most of the politicians at the federal level are crooks and liars. The only exceptions in my book are some of the Republicans who Trump made unelectable.
The one substantive point you make in your post, with basis in fact, is about supply chains. I've already addressed this in a previous reply. Supply chains are fucked up partly because of lockdowns in China, which again I presume you and many other Democrats would support if you were Chinese, based on your criticisms of Trump and Republican governors. Then there were the Trump tariffs, which Biden could have remedied with the stroke of a pen. Instead he piled more restrictions on China, and the result is wholesale re-construction of supply chains to avoid Chinese production.
Also there's the war in Ukraine / Russia, which sent fuel prices up, re-routed Russian oil, gas and coal to new markets, and caused grain prices to go up and grain supply to go down. You and I may dislike Trump, but my guess is none of this would have happened if he'd been re-elected. Furthermore, Democrats' existential threats to the fossil fuels industry in the USA (banning drilling on federal leases, banning fracking, going too fast to net "0" carbon emissions) definitely increased the cost of electricity and natural gas used for heating and industrial applications in the U.S. And made it more difficult for USA LNG to serve as a partial replacement for Russian gas supplies to Europe. The effect on gasoline prices wasn't as great, but still there to an extent.
And how about the effect of the American Rescue Plan on logistics in America, in 2021? Poorly targeted extended unemployment benefits and other handouts (e.g. $1400 checks to most Americans) discouraged work. A lot of younger American males, many of whom could have worked in warehouses and driving trucks and the like, decided to sit on their asses at home. And then there was the situation in the California ports. American businesses came up with a list of solutions for the port hang ups, and the Newsome administration basically told them to fuck off.
That's a new one, Crooks and Liars, a Progressive media site dedicated to calling Republicans crooks and liars. Well, Americans need to pull their heads out of the sand. Most of the politicians at the federal level are crooks and liars. The only exceptions in my book are some of the Republicans who Trump made unelectable.
The one substantive point you make in your post, with basis in fact, is about supply chains. I've already addressed this in a previous reply. Supply chains are fucked up partly because of lockdowns in China, which again I presume you and many other Democrats would support if you were Chinese, based on your criticisms of Trump and Republican governors. Then there were the Trump tariffs, which Biden could have remedied with the stroke of a pen. Instead he piled more restrictions on China, and the result is wholesale re-construction of supply chains to avoid Chinese production.
Also there's the war in Ukraine / Russia, which sent fuel prices up, re-routed Russian oil, gas and coal to new markets, and caused grain prices to go up and grain supply to go down. You and I may dislike Trump, but my guess is none of this would have happened if he'd been re-elected. Furthermore, Democrats' existential threats to the fossil fuels industry in the USA (banning drilling on federal leases, banning fracking, going too fast to net "0" carbon emissions) definitely increased the cost of electricity and natural gas used for heating and industrial applications in the U.S. And made it more difficult for USA LNG to serve as a partial replacement for Russian gas supplies to Europe. The effect on gasoline prices wasn't as great, but still there to an extent.
And how about the effect of the American Rescue Plan on logistics in America, in 2021? Poorly targeted extended unemployment benefits and other handouts (e.g. $1400 checks to most Americans) discouraged work. A lot of younger American males, many of whom could have worked in warehouses and driving trucks and the like, decided to sit on their asses at home. And then there was the situation in the California ports. American businesses came up with a list of solutions for the port hang ups, and the Newsome administration basically told them to fuck off.I was so looking forward to your explanation for why and how all those global manufacturers, supply-chains, shipping and delivery firms would magically put Trillions into staffing up, cranking up factories, producing abundant supplies of goods and products and be poised to fill orders, ship and deliver ASAP in the wake of Trump's Pandemic's unprecedented 2-tear economic coma and millions upon millions of jobs wiped out long BEFORE there was overwhelming demand from customers with MONEY in their pockets ready to be spent so as to, you know, make sure even the first customers out of the gate would not be inconvenienced by a pesky low supply-high demand rate of inflation.
Alas, you've got nothing for the real problem at hand in the real world as it really exists. As usual. You and Larry Summers.
Hi Tooms, This sounds like something that might come from the pen of a conspiracy theorist, like a QAnon adherent, instead of one of our venerable left-of-center Board Members. It might make a good plot for a movie. A young Harrison Ford is a scientist who is planted within the Chinese CDC. He brilliantly and presciently persuades the Chinese authorities that the world is on the verge of a pandemic and somehow they stop the spread.
But come on. We're not living in the world of Deng Xiaopeng and Jimmy Carter. We're living in the world of Ji Xin Ping, and both American political parties want to punish China economically and the Democrats want to make Ji a pariah. Chinese authorities covered up the pandemic, and persecuted doctors and other citizens who tried to publicize what was happening in Wuhan. Millions of Chinese, a number of whom were infected with COVID, were flying all over China and the rest of the world up through the Lunar New Year (late January, 2020). The cat was out of the bag. COVID mostly came to the USA via travelers from Europe, not China.
The World Health Organization wasn't in a position to make a difference, let alone the USA CDC.https://news.yahoo.com/bob-woodward-stunned-trump-told-091902598.html
Talking to Woodward on March 19, 2020, Trump said Barron, then 13, asked what was going on and he answered: I said, it came out of China, Barron. Pure and simple. It came out of China. And it shouldve been stopped. And to be honest with you, Barron, they shouldve let it be known it was a problem two months earlier ... the world wouldnt have a problem. We could have stopped it easily.Trump says China should have told us about coronavirus. He removed the official meant to do that.
A US epidemiologist was embedded with the Chinese CDC. The Trump administration discontinued the position.
March 23, 2020
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/23/21190713/coronavirus-trump-china-cdc-embed-quick
The Trump administration told the United States embed at the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that the position would be defunded, causing her to leave her post in July 2019, according to a report from Reuterss Marisa Taylor. The embed helped train Chinese public health experts and served in part as a liaison between Chinese officials and their counterparts in the US.
With the administration planning to discontinue the role, the embed return to the US about five months before China began to see its first Covid-19 cases. Under normal circumstances, the embed likely would have passed information about the novel virus to US officials. Instead, Chinese officials were able for weeks to conceal the virus and the threat it posed, leading to a delay in the worlds response to what was then a matter of great concern and is now a pandemic.
I was so looking forward to your explanation for why and how all those global manufacturers, supply-chains, shipping and delivery firms would magically put Trillions into staffing up, cranking up factories, producing abundant supplies of goods and products and be poised to fill orders, ship and deliver ASAP in the wake of Trump's Pandemic's unprecedented 2-tear economic coma and millions upon millions of jobs wiped out long BEFORE there was overwhelming demand from customers with MONEY in their pockets ready to be spent so as to, you know, make sure even the first customers out of the gate would not be inconvenienced by a pesky low supply-high demand rate of inflation.
Alas, you've got nothing for the real problem at hand in the real world as it really exists. As usual. You and Larry Summers.You're wrong about demand from consumers with money in their pockets. By the fall of 2020, retail sales, adjusted for inflation, were at all time highs.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RSXFS
And unit auto sales were close to pre-pandemic levels.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TOTALSA
Look at the 5 year series.
Thanks for putting me in the same category as Larry Summers. That's very kind, but I don't know jack about macroeconomics compared to him.
You're wrong about demand from consumers with money in their pockets. By the fall of 2020, retail sales, adjusted for inflation, were at all time highs.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RSXFS
And unit auto sales were close to pre-pandemic levels.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TOTALSA
Look at the 5 year series.
Thanks for putting me in the same category as Larry Summers. That's very kind, but I don't know jack about macroeconomics compared to him.Then I guess everyone on the planet was wrong about the collapse of global supply-chains by the end if 2020 and into 2021 and the suppliers were just faking it. Proven by your USA Domestic auto sales charts.
Oh wait. Trump was already sending stimulus checks in 2020 and maybe that triggered some auto sales. Gee, I wonder why that wasn't enough to set worldwide economies up and get global supply-chains moving again. Yeah, they were just faking it.
Well, it looks likes Trump's 2020 stimulus checks and the USA domestic auto sales weren't enough economic stimulation to get global supply-chains back up and moving all that much after all. If anything, America might have done more to get those chains filling inventories even faster on all retail markets.
Retailers: Inventories to Sales Ratio:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RETAILIRSA
Shhh. Don't tell Larry Summers the 2021 stimulus probably should have been bigger.
Elvis 2008
01-02-23, 23:00
Hi Elvis,
Like I mentioned to JustTK a couple of times, we're arguing about history. Now practically all unvaccinated Americans have some immunity from severe COVID infection by virtue of being infected.
I never said the vaccine and boosters provided good protection from infection with Omicron variants. Rather, they provided good protection from severe disease, meaning hospitalization and death, in particular for older and high risk people.
This chart is enlightening, which shows death rate by vaccination status, for Americans over 50, from April 2, 2022 to September 3, 2022, when Omicron has predominated.Tiny, that is not placebo controlled comparisons. People who got vaccinated by and large are healthier than people who did not.
And when you state percent reduction, that is a meme that helps whatever intervention you want. It sounds good but is almost meaningless. I think omicron has a less than 1% hospitalization rate and the official death rate is really close to one in a thousand but in reality it is probably even lower than that. And if it the vaccine does anything, it is on the basis of the tank style immune system that destroys both good and bad tissue which means it is not free from side effects. And it is not always cut and dry if someone was admitted to a hospital with a condition caused by Covid or if Covid was just along for the ride.
When the gold standard trial was designed and a true apples to apples comparison was made, there were more people who died in the vaccine group: https://medium.com/microbial-instincts/no-all-cause-mortality-benefit-in-pfizers-clinical-trial-for-mrna-vaccine-why-6d89b1de0c8d.
It is BS then for people to claim vaccines prevent death when the best evidence shows they do not. The only thing the vaccines were scientifically proven to do was to prevent a person from catching one strain of Covid that no longer is around.
I do not know if you are a South Park fan Tiny, but here is their explanation of how the virus spead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNMRD9nCASw.
It is hilarious but the sad part is that it is more believable than the idiotic explanation given by our government leaders.
Of course, the virus came from a lab, and China took down all the info it had about the virus down of his web sites. And China was actively feeding the USA and other nations disinformation on how bad the virus really was. No USA rep would have been able to do squat in China.
The other part that gets me is we have a bat biting a pangolin and the pangolin runs a thousand miles to Wuhan and somehow gets into the wet market there. No other animals were found to have Covid then but post pandemic we now know of other animals that have Covid. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/animals.html.
So hang with me for a second. The government says it did not cause Covid, a pangolin and bat did. And even though Covid started via animal transmission, we think locking down people and only people will cure Covid. We do not need to lock down animals (even bats and pangolins) to cure Covid. What gets me is how convoluted you have to get to buy this government is good BS, but you have guys like Tooms eating it up.
To him, the virus was not created by government. Government lockdowns worked and would have worked even better if more Republicans would have complied, and the reason the Covid epidemic is over is because of vaccines.
In reality, the pandemic is mostly over because the virus mutated into a less virulent form like most viruses do, which is what Trump correctly said would happen, and the government interventions ranged from helping a bit to doing nothing to causing great harm. All in all, government intervention was a huge negative. It is just if you are beaten over the head with a news story day after day, people want to think you can do something about it.
And with Paxlovid, there is often a rebound effect with it. You get better and then sick again. This happened to both Fauci and Biden when they took the drug.
But yeah, if you are under 65, there is no reason to take the drug. There is no benefit and a risk of side effects, none appear too severe as of yet but you never know.
Hmmm, Trump lied to his son, Baron. Does that mean that.
(a) Trump is a compulsive liar, or.
(b) Trump believes his own bull shit.
https://news.yahoo.com/bob-woodward-stunned-trump-told-091902598.html
Trump's a liar, everybody knows that. And a Chinaphobe. If he did indeed say that there would have been no pandemic if we'd had 2 months more notice, why would you believe him?
Trump says China should have told us about coronavirus. He removed the official meant to do that.
A US epidemiologist was embedded with the Chinese CDC. The Trump administration discontinued the position.
March 23, 2020
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/23/21190713/coronavirus-trump-china-cdc-embed-quick
We're not living in the world of Deng Xiaopeng and Jimmy Carter. We're living in the world of Ji Xin Ping, and both American political parties want to punish China economically and the Democrats want to make Ji a pariah. Chinese authorities covered up the pandemic, and persecuted doctors and other citizens who tried to publicize what was happening in Wuhan. Millions of Chinese, a number of whom were infected with COVID, were flying all over China and the rest of the world up through the Lunar New Year (late January, 2020). The cat was out of the bag. COVID mostly came to the USA via travelers from Europe, not China.
The World Health Organization wasn't in a position to make a difference, let alone the USA CDC.
During the very early stage pandemic, the CCP was lying to the local government officials and the people in Wuhan, and persecuting doctors who were attempting to warn the public. What makes you think they would have done jack to allow the CDC to better understand what was going on? There were flights from Wuhan to Europe and the USA all the way up until January 23. By that time COVID was in Europe and there was no way to stop it from developing into a pandemic.
Biden criticized Trump for xenophobia the day after Trump instituted a ban on travel from China.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-biden-called-trumps-travel-restrictions-xenophobic/
Hmmm, Trump lied to his son, Baron. Does that mean that.
(a) Trump is a compulsive liar, or.
(b) Trump believes his own bull shit.Trump told Woodward he told Barron a 2 month heads up would have been enough to prevent the spread in China from becoming Trump's Pandemic.
He told the world his intel was that "three or four months" could have done it:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-coronavirus-response-china-early-outbreak-pandemic-covid-19-a9416406.html
"All of the people the talent that we have would have loved to have had three or four months of additional time, Mr Trump said at the White House. They didnt have that time. They read about it in the newspapers like everybody else.
He added: China was very secretive. Very, very secretive. And thats unfortunate.Yeah, China is always secretive. That's why we embeded science officials in their labs to guide, monitor and issue effective warnings to the world of potential Pandemics early enough to prevent them from emerging in the first place.
You know, the ones Trump inexplicably removed from those China labs 5 months earlier. Guess he hadn't heard about that China "secrecy" thingy by then.
Notice he apparently never told anyone a "5 month" heads up would have done it, carefully avoiding the actual amount if time his disastrous decision involved. Perhaps for fear that a review of what was happening over there "5 months" earlier would draw direct attention to his removing the agents whose job it was to do exactly that while looking back just "2 months" or "three or four months" would not show anyone was there to monitor and issue those warnings anyway. Because he had removed them 5 months earlier.
That is a form of misdirection, a sign that he is aware of his responsibility in our not getting the heads up we needed to prevent Trump's Pandemic. And I would say that is strong evidence that he does not believe his own lies. He is knowingly trying to con everyone with his lies, not merely blathering stuff he believes to be true but isn't true.
Same as he did about everything significant and insignificant, from his prowess as a businessman, the size of his inauguration crowd, the state of the economy he inherited from Obama, the state of it as the result of his stewardship, the virulence and mode of spread of coronavirus, whether or when it will go away without a vaccine, who won the 2022 presidential election, Putin's intel vs America's intel, Trump University, Trump's Election Defense Fund, etc.
If he actually believed any of the lies and nonsense he blathered all these years then he is the dumbest fucker on two feet. And whether having millions and millions of Americans willing and eager to support as so-called president and vote for the dumbest fucker on two feet is worse or better than their supporting and voting for the most blatantly obvious compulsive liar and con man on two feet is an interesting but somewhat unimportant question.
Then I guess everyone on the planet was wrong about the collapse of global supply-chains by the end if 2020 and into 2021 and the suppliers were just faking it. Proven by your USA Domestic auto sales charts.
Oh wait. Trump was already sending stimulus checks in 2020 and maybe that triggered some auto sales. Gee, I wonder why that wasn't enough to set worldwide economies up and get global supply-chains moving again. Yeah, they were just faking it.
Well, it looks likes Trump's 2020 stimulus checks and the USA domestic auto sales weren't enough economic stimulation to get global supply-chains back up and moving all that much after all. If anything, America might have done more to get those chains filling inventories even faster on all retail markets.
Retailers: Inventories to Sales Ratio:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RETAILIRSA
Shhh. Don't tell Larry Summers the 2021 stimulus probably should have been bigger.I've agreed with you, extensively, in two posts, that supply chain glitches were partly responsible for inflation. Other causes were too much fiscal stimulus (Biden's American Rescue Plan - the ARP - in particular), and a Fed that was asleep at the wheel. After the Democrats unwisely decided to throw gasoline on the fire in 2021 with the ARP and inflation went up, the Fed should have started raising interest rates, but it didn't.
About the inventories to sales ratio, yes, you see a big drop when those $1400 per person stimulus checks hit. The IRS started mailing out the checks on March 12. And the ratio falls from 1.24 in February to 1.10 in March. Why did that happen? Because people spent that Biden money. Retail Sales, SEASONALLY ADJUSTED*, went from $503 billion in February, 2021 to $558 billion in March! One of your fellow Democrats on another hooker board happily remarked that several of his buddies had gone out and bought big screen TV's with their Biden Money.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RSXFS
I never said that excess demand from excessive fiscal stimulus depleted inventories and partly caused supply chain glitches. But now that you bring it up, it makes a lot of sense. Yes, I think we can blame the ARP for creating too much demand, and the supply chain just couldn't keep up with it!
*They adjust for February just having 28 days.
Tiny, that is not placebo controlled comparisons. People who got vaccinated by and large are healthier than people who did not.The elderly got vaccinated in larger percentages than younger people. And presumably so did individuals that were at higher risk as a result of diabetes, heart disease, etc. However, if you segment into age groups, I think you'd be right Elvis. And that's the correct way to look at the numbers, comparing death and hospitalization rates for people with similar ages.
I think omicron has a less than 1% hospitalization rate and the official death rate is really close to one in a thousand but in reality it is probably even lower than that. And if it the vaccine does anything, it is on the basis of the tank style immune system that destroys both good and bad tissue which means it is not free from side effects. And it is not always cut and dry if someone was admitted to a hospital with a condition caused by Covid or if Covid was just along for the ride.I think your percentages are in the ballpark. However, hospitalization and death rates are a couple of orders of magnitude higher in older and high risk people compared to the young and healthy. For them COVID is still a significant concern. And if everyone in the USA gets Omicron and one in a thousand die, that's 300,000 people. I'm not sure about the tank style immune system analogy. The way I think about it is you can get your immunity from infection or you can get it from vaccinations. And it's easier and safer getting it from the vaccinations.
Again, I'm thinking from the perspective of someone who's older or higher risk. If you're 30 years old, I think your analogy makes more sense.
When the gold standard trial was designed and a true apples to apples comparison was made, there were more people who died in the vaccine group: https://medium.com/microbial-instincts/no-all-cause-mortality-benefit-in-pfizers-clinical-trial-for-mrna-vaccine-why-6d89b1de0c8d.Yeah, 40,000 people sounds like a lot. The writer admits he knows about as much about statistics as I do, meaning not very much. Intuitively, 21 deaths from all causes in the mRNA group and 17 in the placebo group doesn't sound like a significant difference to me. In 2020, around 10% of deaths in the USA were attributed to COVID. So maybe you'd expect about 2 more deaths in the placebo group (10% of 19), and you actually had 4 more in the mRNA group. I believe this is statistically insignificant. I'd put a lot more stock in larger studies that show much higher COVID death and hospitalization rates in the unvaccinated. Although, admittedly, unlike the Pfizer trial, IF YOU SEGMENT BY AGE GROUPS, you may have the handicap you mentioned, that perhaps the vaccinated were healthier to begin with.
I do not know if you are a South Park fan Tiny, but here is their explanation of how the virus spead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNMRD9nCASw.I'm a huge fan. I think the Mickey Mouse / China episode Randy mentions might be my favorite.
Of course, the virus came from a lab, and China took down all the info it had about the virus down of his web sites. And China was actively feeding the USA and other nations disinformation on how bad the virus really was. No USA rep would have been able to do squat in China.
The other part that gets me is we have a bat biting a pangolin and the pangolin runs a thousand miles to Wuhan and somehow gets into the wet market there. No other animals were found to have Covid then but post pandemic we now know of other animals that have Covid. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/animals.html.
So hang with me for a second. The government says it did not cause Covid, a pangolin and bat did. And even though Covid started via animal transmission, we think locking down people and only people will cure Covid. We do not need to lock down animals (even bats and pangolins) to cure Covid. What gets me is how convoluted you have to get to buy this government is good BS, but you have guys like Tooms eating it up.I'm an agnostic on natural vs. Lab origin. It's awfully suspicious that the disease arose in Wuhan. But there have been bat cornaviruses obtained in the wild that were much closer genetically to COVID 19 than SARS. I'm reading that SARS is closer to the original COVID 19 coronavirus than the original virus is to some recent Omicron variants. Anyway, this is above my paygrade. There are some very smart people on both sides of the debate who do nothing except study viruses. The original consensus was natural origin, but the majority may agree with you now. Robert Redfield does anyway.
To him, the virus was not created by government. Government lockdowns worked and would have worked even better if more Republicans would have complied, and the reason the Covid epidemic is over is because of vaccines.There was no magic solution. Look at what's happening in China today. We muddled through, like everyone else. Earlier on I was very critical of Trump. But looking back, I don't know how much of a difference he really could have made. He did push Operation Warp Speed, and helped get FDA approvals in record time. Lockdowns suck. If you can strap on N95 or KN95 masks and get on with business, or stay home if you're sick, that might have been the best approach. But it's easier said than done.
In reality, the pandemic is mostly over because the virus mutated into a less virulent form like most viruses do, And also because everyone now has at least some immunity from previous infection and vaccination.
And with Paxlovid, there is often a rebound effect with it. You get better and then sick again. This happened to both Fauci and Biden when they took the drug.
But yeah, if you are under 65, there is no reason to take the drug. There is no benefit and a risk of side effects, none appear too severe as of yet but you never know.I'm under 65 and I'd take it, but then like I mentioned before I'm a big fan of drugs and vaccines, in general.
I've agreed with you, extensively, in two posts, that supply chain glitches were partly responsible for inflation. Other causes were too much fiscal stimulus (Biden's American Rescue Plan - the ARP - in particular), and a Fed that was asleep at the wheel. After the Democrats unwisely decided to throw gasoline on the fire in 2021 with the ARP and inflation went up, the Fed should have started raising interest rates, but it didn't.
About the inventories to sales ratio, yes, you see a big drop when those $1400 per person stimulus checks hit. The IRS started mailing out the checks on March 12. And the ratio falls from 1.24 in February to 1.10 in March. Why did that happen? Because people spent that Biden money. Retail Sales, SEASONALLY ADJUSTED, went from $503 billion in February, 2021 to $558 billion in March! One of your fellow Democrats on another hooker board happily remarked that several of his buddies had gone out and bought big screen TV's with their Biden Money.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RSXFS
I never said that excess demand from excessive fiscal stimulus depleted inventories and partly caused supply chain glitches. But now that you bring it up, it makes a lot of sense. Yes, I think we can partly blame the ARP for creating too much demand, and the supply chain just couldn't keep up with it!Global supply-chains snapped out of it and reopened, goods and products began to be manufactured again, shipping and deliveries were made. It wasn't just the prospect of a couple of stimulus check shots in the arm. That would not have been enough to produce the seismic change necessary to deal with this unprecedented Great Repub Downturn. No, they would need to know it was overwhelming.
And as any real world political historian knew, it would only be about 2021, as big and as early as possible, and some of 2022 before the campaigns began. That's it.
All with only 1 Senate seat buffer between getting ANYTHING done and getting NOTHING done for every minute of every hour and every day from January 20,2021 until today.
Otherwise, you, Larry and I could sit around with our Thoughts and Prayers waiting for Zimbabwe to step up to the plate and provide enough assurance to those global supply-chains to snap out of it and get moving strong enough to start supplying the globe again.
Thanks, Joe.
It worked so well that now, less than 2 years after the Biden stimulus was put into the system and with NO more economic stimulus expected to emanate from the House, as predicted, there is a moderate surplus of goods and products in inventories. That is exactly where any thinking economist would have hoped we would be by now but might not have believed was possible at the end of 2020.
What do you suppose that will do to prices? Suppliers hate it but aren't going to shut down again in protest. They can't. There is still abundantly more economic stimulus in the form of Infrastructure activity on the way.
So the pendulum swung back a bit too far. No biggie. It swung. And in a direction favoring the consumer this time. It is now in position to settle into a normal range.
Thanks, Joe.
Dem Demand-Side economics vs Repub Supply-Side economics.
Hmmm, Trump lied to his son, Baron. Does that mean that.
(a) Trump is a compulsive liar, or.
(b) Trump believes his own bull shit.You have proposed phrasing as an or and, in truth, the correct phrasing should have been and. In other words: "(a) Trump is a compulsive liar, and (b) Trump believes his own bull shit. "
Trump told Woodward he told Barron a 2 month heads up would have been enough to prevent the spread in China from becoming Trump's Pandemic.
He told the world his intel was that "three or four months" could have done it:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-coronavirus-response-china-early-outbreak-pandemic-covid-19-a9416406.html
Yeah, China is always secretive. That's why we embeded science officials in their labs to guide, monitor and issue effective warnings to the world of potential Pandemics early enough to prevent them from emerging in the first place.
You know, the ones Trump inexplicably removed from those China labs 5 months earlier. Guess he hadn't heard about that China "secrecy" thingy by then.
Notice he apparently never told anyone a "5 month" heads up would have done it, carefully avoiding the actual amount if time his disastrous decision involved. Perhaps for fear that a review of what was happening over there "5 months" earlier would draw direct attention to his removing the agents whose job it was to do exactly that while looking back just "2 months" or "three or four months" would not show anyone was there to monitor and issue those warnings anyway. Because he had removed them 5 months earlier.
That is a form of misdirection, a sign that he is aware of his responsibility in our not getting the heads up we needed to prevent Trump's Pandemic. And I would say that is strong evidence that he does not believe his own lies. He is knowingly trying to con everyone with his lies, not merely blathering stuff he believes to be true but isn't true.Again, this sounds like the Democratic equivalent of a QAnon conspiracy theory to me.
When I Google "How many lives did the Trump Vaccines save" I get articles and papers that estimate from 2 to 3 million in the USA, and 20 million worldwide! And that's just during the first year or two after the vaccines became available! President Trump himself said the Trump Vaccines may save up to 100 million lives!
Thank You President Trump! And Thank You Moderna, BioNTech and Pfizer!
Global supply-chains snapped out of it and reopened, goods and products began to be manufactured again, shipping and deliveries were made. It wasn't just the prospect of a couple of stimulus check shots in the arm. That would not have been enough to produce the seismic change necessary to deal with this unprecedented Great Repub Downturn. No, they would need to know it was overwhelming.
And as any real world political historian knew, it would only be about 2021, as big and as early as possible, and some of 2022 before the campaigns began. That's it.
All with only 1 Senate seat buffer between getting ANYTHING done and getting NOTHING done for every minute of every hour and every day from January 20,2021 until today.
Otherwise, you, Larry and I could sit around with our Thoughts and Prayers waiting for Zimbabwe to step up to the plate and provide enough assurance to those global supply-chains to snap out of it and get moving strong enough to start supplying the globe again.
Thanks, Joe.
It worked so well that now, less than 2 years after the Biden stimulus was put into the system and with NO more economic stimulus expected to emanate from the House, as predicted, there is a moderate surplus of goods and products in inventories. That is exactly where any thinking economist would have hoped we would be by now but might not have believed was possible at the end of 2020.
What do you suppose that will do to prices? Suppliers hate it but aren't going to shut down again in protest. They can't. There is still abundantly more economic stimulus in the form of Infrastructure activity on the way.
So the pendulum swung back a bit too far. No biggie. It swung. And in a direction favoring the consumer this time. It is now in position to settle into a normal range.
Thanks, Joe.
Dem Demand-Side economics vs Repub Supply-Side economics.In your last couple of posts, you appear to say the massive fiscal stimulus in 2021 was justified so that Democrats would do better in the Mid Terms. That is, Biden and the Democrats were trying to buy elections by giving away free money. Fair enough. Like your evidence that the stimulus depleted inventories, it makes sense.
This is a hoot:
"It worked so well that now, less than 2 years after the Biden stimulus was put into the system and with NO more economic stimulus expected to emanate from the House, as predicted, there is a moderate surplus of goods and products in inventories."
Well, after "it" (the American Rescue Plan or ARP) was passed and $1400 checks were sent out, the Inventories / Sales ratio, from your graph, dropped from 1.24 to 1.10, in one month. And it's only come back to 1.22 since. So apparently we've just gotten back to where we started, before the ARP, in replenishing inventories.
I enjoyed this as well.
"What do you suppose that will do to prices? Suppliers hate it but aren't going to shut down again in protest. They can't. There is still abundantly more economic stimulus in the form of Infrastructure activity on the way."
The reason factories all over the world cut back on production was because they couldn't sell as much as before. Many had to either make cuts or go bankrupt. You initially had lower demand, and also the supply chain disruptions. So you want them to keep churning out products, just let them pile up, when they can't be sold? And go bankrupt? That makes even less sense than the Biden Administration's reasoning that oil and gas companies should ramp up production, to improve the Democrats' prospects for the mid term elections, when the Progressive Democratic platform threatens their very existence.
Interest expense on our massive national debt has increased a lot. Debt held by the public is $24 trillion. At 4% interest, that would be $960 billion per year. Given that Federal Revenues in 2022 were about $4.9 trillion, that's huge. I don't know how we're ever going to pay down significant debt. Biden and Trump and the Democrats apparently didn't think about that when they were passing COVID relief spending amounting to 25% of GDP. Or when the Democrats were passing legislation to add an additional $3 trillion in spending, in addition to the ARP, over the last couple of years.
As to "Democratic Demand Side Economics", Keynes would be rolling over in his grave. He never envisioned continually growing debt as a % of GDP. He favored paying down the debt when times were good, like Larry Summers and Bill Clinton, working with a Republican Congress, did in the late 1990's. The ARP was passed when annualized QoQ GDP growth was 6.3%, and unemployment had declined from 12.90% of the workforce to 6. 2%. Things were on the mend. Yeah, at that point it didn't make sense to start paying down debt. But a $1. 9 trillion, largely untargeted fiscal stimulus, was way over the top. It would have made sense then, and now, to target more aid, for example, in ways that would help poor children. But as Summers has noted, the ARP crowded out those kind of socially beneficial programs.
Elvis 2008
01-04-23, 01:24
Again, this sounds like the Democratic equivalent of a QAnon conspiracy theory to me.Yeah, the Dem QAnon theory was that if only anyone but Trump had been in office, we would have been saved, and they have cycled through hundreds of responses of what could have been done and they all turned out to have been duds. Hell, even when more people died under Biden than Trump, it was still the Republicans fault for not complying with interventions we now know never worked.
If you read the Washington Post and NYT, the stupid Qanon theory they were pushing and the here were buying was that being a Republican was the biggest Covid risk factor by far. It was a daily thing with them.
In reality, the worst comorbidity factor in terms of death may have been age, but from what I saw it was diabetes by far. Thing is when you look at blacks and Hispanics in comparison to whites, they have a lot more diabetes and given that they are more likely to be Democrats than whites, I would assume they would be sicker. I did not ask sick people their party affiliation, but I assume it would be true.
I guess my stating the above is not factual but racist. We cannot compare people based on their skin color, but with these douches it is perfectly fine to assign any negative assertion to anyone who votes Republican. With them, just voting Republican regardless of who the candidate is or how qualified he is, means you are a stupid racist and with Tooms, it means you are destroying the economy to boot.
What gets me is these and their bureaucratic brethren really believe they can cure a cold virus and control the climate. And what happens when it is obvious these fail? Well, it is the Republicans fault.
Did you know that it snowed in Miami right before a football game there a week ago? Why does no one mention global warming and climate change with that, but they will not shut up about it when there is a hurricane? These douches do not think there is anything stronger than them.
In your last couple of posts, you appear to say the massive fiscal stimulus in 2021 was justified so that Democrats would do better in the Mid Terms. That is, Biden and the Democrats were trying to buy elections by giving away free money. Fair enough. Like your evidence that the stimulus depleted inventories, it makes sense.
This is a hoot:
"It worked so well that now, less than 2 years after the Biden stimulus was put into the system and with NO more economic stimulus expected to emanate from the House, as predicted, there is a moderate surplus of goods and products in inventories."
Well, after "it" (the American Rescue Plan or ARP) was passed and $1400 checks were sent out, the Inventories / Sales ratio, from your graph, dropped from 1.24 to 1.10, in one month. And it's only come back to 1.22 since. So apparently we've just gotten back to where we started, before the ARP, in replenishing inventories.
I enjoyed this as well.
"What do you suppose that will do to prices? Suppliers hate it but aren't going to shut down again in protest. They can't. There is still abundantly more economic stimulus in the form of Infrastructure activity on the way."
The reason factories all over the world cut back on production was because they couldn't sell as much as before. Many had to either make cuts or go bankrupt. You initially had lower demand, and also the supply chain disruptions. So you want them to keep churning out products, just let them pile up, when they can't be sold? And go bankrupt? That makes even less sense than the Biden Administration's reasoning that oil and gas companies should ramp up production, to improve the Democrats' prospects for the mid term elections, when the Progressive Democratic platform threatens their very existence.
Interest expense on our massive national debt has increased a lot. Debt held by the public is $24 trillion. At 4% interest, that would be $960 billion per year. Given that Federal Revenues in 2022 were about $4.9 trillion, that's huge. I don't know how we're ever going to pay down significant debt. Biden and Trump and the Democrats apparently didn't think about that when they were passing COVID relief spending amounting to 25% of GDP. Or when the Democrats were passing legislation to add an additional $3 trillion in spending, in addition to the ARP, over the last couple of years.
As to "Democratic Demand Side Economics", Keynes would be rolling over in his grave. He never envisioned continually growing debt as a % of GDP. He favored paying down the debt when times were good, like Larry Summers and Bill Clinton, working with a Republican Congress, did in the late 1990's. The ARP was passed when annualized QoQ GDP growth was 6.3%, and unemployment had declined from 12.90% of the workforce to 6. 2%. Things were on the mend. Yeah, at that point it didn't make sense to start paying down debt. But a $1. 9 trillion, largely untargeted fiscal stimulus, was way over the top. It would have made sense then, and now, to target more aid, for example, in ways that would help poor children. But as Summers has noted, the ARP crowded out those kind of socially beneficial programs.Biden and the Dems and any stray Repub who might want to help pull us out of that latest Great Repub Downturn rather than double or triple down on it to make it worse had a single full year to put the legislation on the table and vote. That would be 2021. At least a portion of the following year, 2022, would have all members of the House and a third of the Senate, all Parties, occupied with campaigning for election or re-election and, if history is any guide, more inclined to run on what they already did or did not accomplish legislatively and less inclined to launch into months of negotiating and legislating new business.
And Biden would know what apparently eluded Larry Summers; 2021 was the one full year shot at pulling America and, inevitably, the rest of the world out of the unprecedented Great Repub Trump's Pandemic Economic Paralysis. Period.
Oh, and with a single, one, 1 Senate Seat margin of error hanging over the proceedings from minute one after Biden's inauguration and at least the Pink Tinkle in the House by this very week that, sure enough, we got that will put a complete halt to any meaningful followup legislation for the USA economy.
That was the Real World facing Biden. Not lovely visions scribbled at the point of Larry Summers' pencil.
Now, the rest of us would like a hoot, too.
Please explain how you and Larry knew all that was needed was a pleasantly palettable smaller stimulus legislation to accomplish the goal, that all of the potential downsides, variants and resurgence of Trump's Pandemic was over around the world, which it wasn't, that neither America nor any other major national economy would see any other economic challenge that would ordinarily rear its head over a two year period even without Trump's Pandemic in the mix, like a war somewhere in Europe, etc etc etc and that one smaller stimulus, all you would get with no likely follow ups for years to come, would be fine and dandy and plenty to get "er done?
Thoughts and Prayers? Clairvoyance? A word or too from a Burning Bush?
20-20 hindsight under far more pleasant conditions, thanks, Joe, is fun, isn't it?
Tiny12:
As to "Democratic Demand Side Economics", Keynes would be rolling over in his grave. He never envisioned continually growing debt as a % of GDP. He favored paying down the debt when times were good, like Larry Summers and Bill Clinton, working with a Republican Congress, did in the late 1990's.The only way to see that Keynesian principle applied would be to lift POTUS term limits for Dems only.
Otherwise, the century long pattern will continue of Dems paying down the debt and deficit, producing or headed to budget surpluses, as Clinton and his Dems did in the 1990's despite getting zero Repub votes for the legislation that made that happen and Gingrich shutting down the government multiple times in a failed attempt to destroy that historic Dem economic expansion and thwart any chance of a budget surplus, followed by a Repub who will flush all of it down the shitter as quickly as possible on utterly useless and counterproductive piddling tax cuts for the top income margins at the great expense of everyone else.
Keyenes' other principle was to use those surpluses to fund and carry us over and through particularly tough economic times. In order to eliminate all risk of that principle being abused we might as well pass a No More Repub So-Called Potuses law.
Because in addition to the incoming Repub flushing the Dem surpluses down the shitter, they will most certainly produce their usual particularly tough economic conditions, massive job losses in the millions, whatever new and unprecedented economic and National Security crisis opportunity comes their way that will require significant deficit spending by the following incoming Dem to pull us out of it.
Yeah, the Dem QAnon theory was that if only anyone but Trump had been in office, we would have been saved, and they have cycled through hundreds of responses of what could have been done and they all turned out to have been duds. Hell, even when more people died under Biden than Trump, it was still the Republicans fault for not complying with interventions we now know never worked.
If you read the Washington Post and NYT, the stupid Qanon theory they were pushing and the here were buying was that being a Republican was the biggest Covid risk factor by far. It was a daily thing with them.
In reality, the worst comorbidity factor in terms of death may have been age, but from what I saw it was diabetes by far. Thing is when you look at blacks and Hispanics in comparison to whites, they have a lot more diabetes and given that they are more likely to be Democrats than whites, I would assume they would be sicker. I did not ask sick people their party affiliation, but I assume it would be true.
I guess my stating the above is not factual but racist. We cannot compare people based on their skin color, but with these douches it is perfectly fine to assign any negative assertion to anyone who votes Republican. With them, just voting Republican regardless of who the candidate is or how qualified he is, means you are a stupid racist and with Tooms, it means you are destroying the economy to boot.
What gets me is these and their bureaucratic brethren really believe they can cure a cold virus and control the climate. And what happens when it is obvious these fail? Well, it is the Republicans fault.
Did you know that it snowed in Miami right before a football game there a week ago? Why does no one mention global warming and climate change with that, but they will not shut up about it when there is a hurricane? These douches do not think there is anything stronger than them.Hey Elvis, I think a lot of it is a need by many Democrats to feel they are superior to others, morally and otherwise. And their desire to impose their values on others.
At this point in time, is there any reason to demand that others get vaccinated or wear masks? No. Those of us who've bought into the vaccine story, including me, are free to get injections to our hearts content, and wear masks whenever we went. I may be paranoid as hell, but I feel very well protected walking through an airport with my KN95 mask. Also the fact that, as you correctly say, the infection fatality ratio for COVID is now similar to the flu is comforting.
The other topic you brought up, climate, is another great illustration. So why do Democrats, in places like New York, want to take away our jobs in oil and gas here in Texas? What difference would it make to total worldwide carbon emissions if you shut down all the oil and gas wells in the USA? Well it would amount to diddly squat. And instead of producing oil and gas here in the USA, we'd be importing it from Saudi Arabia, Russia, etc. The blue state Democrats would apparently prefer that to keeping the jobs and production here in the USA. Why? Well, again, it gives them a sanctimonious pride. They think they're saving the world. And that of course is mierda. About 15% of worldwide CO2 emissions come from the USA, and that number will become lower and lower in future years.
The racist thing as you say is a good example too.
All of this has kind of replaced religion. If you were a Baptist or member of the Church of Christ here in Texas, you used to be able to believe you were godly and superior and destined for heaven. And the rest of the world were immoral heathens headed for a fiery inferno. Well if you can unjustly paint a group of Americans as racists who are killing others by infecting them with COVID and destroying the planet by not giving LIP SERVICE to achieving "0" net carbon emissions, then you too can achieve that state of sanctimonious nirvana.
I don't mean to apply the preceding to esteemed fellow board members. While it might not always be apparent from what I write, I actually believe they're smarter and more enlightened than your average blue state Democrat. This is obvious to me from participating in a political forum on another hooker board, and listening to and reading the main stream media. Perhaps their relative open mindedness comes from traveling outside of the USA and being exposed to other cultures. My disagreements with them here have chiefly been over economic issues. Although if you mention the name Bjorn Lomborg, with respect to climate, they do seem to go into tizzy fits.
I could paint a similar picture of some of our Republican brethren, who want to impose their social values on others. But I'll leave that for another post.
Yeah, the Dem QAnon theory was that if only anyone but Trump had been in office, we would have been saved, and they have cycled through hundreds of responses of what could have been done and they all turned out to have been duds. Hell, even when more people died under Biden than Trump, it was still the Republicans fault for not complying with interventions we now know never worked.
If you read the Washington Post and NYT, the stupid Qanon theory they were pushing and the here were buying was that being a Republican was the biggest Covid risk factor by far. It was a daily thing with them.
In reality, the worst comorbidity factor in terms of death may have been age, but from what I saw it was diabetes by far. Thing is when you look at blacks and Hispanics in comparison to whites, they have a lot more diabetes and given that they are more likely to be Democrats than whites, I would assume they would be sicker. I did not ask sick people their party affiliation, but I assume it would be true..First off, nobody has said that had anybody but Donnie the Dumbass been in office "we would have been saved". What we have said, and said consistently, is that Donnie the Dumbass fucked up the US response to COVID. Nobody by Donnie the Dumbass said that COVID would go away with warmer weather, without a vaccine, "we have it under control" etc. Nobody but Donnie the Dumbass said that injecting yourself with disinfectant or shoving a lightbulb up your rectum would cure COVID. Nobody but Donnie the Dumbass made the decision to pull our infectious disease experts out of China before COVID. Nobody but Donnie the Dumbass consistently lied to the American public and downplayed the seriousness of COVID while privately admitting that COVID was serious. What is true, though, about Repub douches is that they will stick up for Donnie the Dumbass even in the face of overwhelming evidence that they are wrong.
Your stating that diabetes was, by far, the leading comorbidity death factor is incorrect. At least one study has said that it was hypertension. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0213911121002880 Another study said that the leading comorbidity death factor was lung cancer https://www.ajmc.com/view/contributor-links-between-covid-19-comorbidities-mortality-detailed-in-fair-health-study Do people of color have higher comorbidities than whites? Yes. Do they also work in jobs that were considered "essential" during COVID? Also a yes. So, early COVID mortality rates would naturally be predisposed toward POC. However, when looking at the latest data, white folks have "caught up" and now are almost equal in terms of per-capita deaths. https://www.apmresearchlab.org/covid/deaths-by-race.
And WAPO and the NYT articles are based on fact. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-in-republican-counties-have-higher-death-rates-than-those-in-democratic-counties/ and https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/once-covid-vaccines-were-introduced-more-republicans-died-than-democrats Republican-leaning counties have higher COVID death rates than Democratic-leaning ones as well as higher overall death rates. You can spin this any way you like and you undoubtedly will.
Are you Donnie the Dumbass in disguise? Or just another who doesn't know the difference between weather and climate. Given your Miami comment, my assumption is the latter.
Please explain how you and Larry knew all that was needed was a pleasantly palettable smaller stimulus legislation to accomplish the goal, that all of the potential downsides, variants and resurgence of Trump's Pandemic was over around the world, which it wasn't, that neither America nor any other major national economy would see any other economic challenge that would ordinarily rear its head over a two year period even without Trump's Pandemic in the mix, like a war somewhere in Europe, etc etc etc and that one smaller stimulus, all you would get with no likely follow ups for years to come, would be fine and dandy and plenty to get "er done?
Thoughts and Prayers? Clairvoyance? A word or too from a Burning Bush?
20-20 hindsight under far more pleasant conditions, thanks, Joe, is fun, isn't it?Before it largely died because of too much moderation, I posted in the political forum on another hooker board. Back in December, 2020, we were discussing Summers' view on the $2,000 stimulus checks that Trump and Pelosi were proposing to send out. (McConnell and Senate Republicans managed to reduce the checks to $600, but Biden dished out an additional $1400 in March, 2021.) Summers said the $2000 checks would be "a pretty serious mistake" that could overheat the economy. I weighed in on Summers' side and followed what Summers was saying closely for the next few months. In April, 2021, I started a thread there, "How are we going to pay for all this shit?" about Biden's American Rescue Plan (ARP) and other spending proposals. An ex hedge fund manager and an economist posted extensively in the thread. (Aside: If they posted here there would be a chance they could change even your mind about this -- they're two smart SOB's.) It was easy to see what was coming. The economy was already recovering nicely when the Democrats passed the ARP -- see my previous post. But Biden et al dumped additional stimulus spending of about 10% of GDP, on top of the 15% that had already been allocated during the Trump administration. Given that YoY GDP was down 8.4% at its worst, in the quarter ended 6/30/2020, and we were pumping in fiscal stimulus of 25% of GDP, the writing was on the wall.
I'll let Larry tell the story in his own words. This is from an interview with Stephanie Flanders (Stephanomics podcast).
"Stephanie, you know, I've been right this year. But there have been plenty of years when I've been wrong. I did what I thought was a straightforward analysis of the situation. I looked at how short incomes were of trend. And I saw that they were about $25 billion or $30 billion short of trend each month. And that that number was declining. And then I saw that the proposed transfer payments and other stimulus represented close to $200 billion a month. And so I thought if you were filling a $30 billion hole with $200 billion of spending, there was likely to be some overflow and that overflow would translate into inflation. I did the same calculation essentially, looking at GDP, and I saw a 2% or 3% GDP gap, met with about 15% of stimulus."
While we're on the topic of Summers, here's what he has to say in the same interview, about the workingman losing ground because of inflation.
"this period of high inflation has coincided with more rapid, real wage reduction than we had seen previously. So for the majority of workers it's working out badly so far, not working out well."
There's a great spread on Italy in the Economist. Reading it, I can't help but think we'd go to where they are now if we lived in your dream world. A world where Republican Congressmen, Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema dropped dead, so that policy was set solely by Joe Biden and Democratic Congressmen. Public debt as a % of GDP in Italy is 150%. (Ours is currently 100%.) Government expenditures as a % of GDP are around 55%. The country has a poor business climate, with "shockingly low" foreign direct investment and R&D expenditures. The government is way too big. As a result GDP per capita has hardly increased since 2000, the worst performance in the OECD and over the long term, productivity has declined. GDP per capita is 32% lower than the USA. Ironically, the Economist, a left of center publication, speculates that Italy needs someone like Margaret Thatcher to come in and clean up the mess.
What would the Democrats' solution be, left to their own devices, faced with a situation like Italy? Certainly it wouldn't be bringing in a leader like Thatcher, like what the Economist suggests. Rather,
Otherwise, the century long pattern will continue of Dems paying down the debt and deficit, producing or headed to budget surpluses, as Clinton and his Dems did in the 1990's despite getting zero Repub votes for the legislation that made that happen and Gingrich shutting down the government multiple times in a failed attempt to destroy that historic Dem economic expansion and thwart any chance of a budget surplus, followed by a Repub who will flush all of it down the shitter as quickly as possible on utterly useless and counterproductive piddling tax cuts for the top income margins at the great expense of everyone else.Why, raise taxes on the rich, of course! No matter that the USA already has the most progressive tax system in the developed world. No matter than the maximum tax rate in your native California is 54.1%. No matter that if you took 100% of the after tax income from every American who makes more than $500,000 a year, you'd only be able to pay for 1/2 of the cost of universal health care. Or alternately you could just take 50% more of their current after tax income then we currently do, and pay the current interest on the national debt.
Tax the rich! That's the solution. You see, most national Democratic Politicians, at their core are thieves. Mafia types that want to steal from those Americans who busted their asses to get ahead.
Since you're really into links to back up commentary, here are some.
References:
https://www.businessinsider.com/2000-stimulus-checks-a-serious-mistake-biden-ally-larry-summers-2020-12?amp#referrer=https%3 A%2 F%2 Fwww.google.com
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-23/transcript-larry-summers-gets-his-told-you-so-moment-on-inflation#xj4 y7
https://www.economist.com/special-report/2022/12/05/italys-new-government-needs-to-make-deep-economic-reforms
https://www.irs.gov/statistics/soi-tax-stats-individual-statistical-tables-by-size-of-adjusted-gross-income
And WAPO and the NYT articles are based on fact. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-in-republican-counties-have-higher-death-rates-than-those-in-democratic-counties/ and https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/once-covid-vaccines-were-introduced-more-republicans-died-than-democrats Republican-leaning counties have higher COVID death rates than Democratic-leaning ones as well as higher overall death rates. You can spin this any way you like and you undoubtedly will.It would be interesting to see how the economies of the red and blue counties compared since COVID started. I'd expect the red counties did better.
Hey Elvis, I think a lot of it is a need by many Democrats to feel they are superior to others, morally and otherwise. And their desire to impose their values on others. ...
Hey, how wrong you are! It is more than likely quite the opposite. I think, it is the newly minted QAnon/Repubs/MAGA tribe, that have a persistent sense of inadequacy and a debilitating inferiority complex, which compels them to feel a constant need to exert "their power" over others.
And a moral code that often manifests itself, as hate, violence and cruelty, towards others that don't share their MAGA ideology.
On the other hand, as an aside, I'm enjoying the inadequate, incompetent and dysfunctional spectacle that is the QAnon/Repub House Caucus. So not all is lost, the QAnon/Repubs can be quite entertaining.
So popcorn, pizza, wine, beer and a buck of chicken at the ready...it is turning out to be, a "blockbuster" show, one we haven't seen in over a hundred years. (...kkkk!) Enjoy the Show!
Elvis 2008
01-05-23, 02:19
Your stating that diabetes was, by far, the leading comorbidity death factor is incorrect. At least one study has said that it was hypertension.You need to learn to read. That was the most common comorbidity. I think that is more correlation than causation. I said the sickest people I saw were diabetic. Elevated blood sugars impair immune function.
Another study said that the leading comorbidity death factor was lung cancer. LOL. Lung cancer as comorbidity? Maybe we can see how many people died with Covid die diving 10,000 feet without a parachute next? That is probably the worst comorbidity of all. Our tax dollars at work. Eye roll.
And WAPO and the NYT articles are based on fact. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-in-republican-counties-have-higher-death-rates-than-those-in-democratic-counties/ and https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/once-covid-vaccines-were-introduced-more-republicans-died-than-democrats Republican-leaning counties have higher COVID death rates than Democratic-leaning ones as well as higher overall death rates. You can spin this any way you like and you undoubtedly will.I am not going to spin it. I just wish it would have been more relevant. How about Coke drinkers versus Pepsi? Burger King v McDonald's? Or tastes great versus less filing?
Or just another who doesn't know the difference between weather and climate. Given your Miami comment, my assumption is the latter.Nah, I just thought once Biden got elected every day was going to be 80 degrees and sunny. What the hell happened?
Hey, how wrong you are! It is more than likely quite the opposite. I think, it is the newly minted QAnon/Repubs/MAGA tribe, that have a persistent sense of inadequacy and a debilitating inferiority complex, which compels them to feel a constant need to exert "their power" over others.
And a moral code that often manifests itself, as hate, violence and cruelty, towards others that don't share their MAGA ideology.
On the other hand, as an aside, I'm enjoying the inadequate, incompetent and dysfunctional spectacle that is the QAnon/Repub House Caucus. So not all is lost, the QAnon/Repubs can be quite entertaining.
So popcorn, pizza, wine, beer and a buck of chicken at the ready...it is turning out to be, a "blockbuster" show, one we haven't seen in over a hundred years. (...kkkk!) Enjoy the Show!Please see my last paragraph from the post you're quoting.
I feel like 30% of the country are diehard Trump supporters and 30% are diehard Progressives. And the other 40% of us are fucked.
While I don't like Trump and would never vote for him, I could live in a country where he's President. The Trumpsters probably won't try to pick my pocket. I couldn't live in a country dominated by progressives. It would be adios USA, unless they made it financially impossible to exit, as Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders proposed when they were running for president.
Yes the Speaker's race is providing much entertainment for Democrats. The pundits on MSNBC can't talk about anything else! It's going to be interesting to see how it plays out. Any predictions?
MarquisdeSade1
01-05-23, 04:59
Hey, how wrong you are! It is more than likely quite the opposite. I think, it is the newly minted QAnon/Repubs/MAGA tribe, that have a persistent sense of inadequacy and a debilitating inferiority complex, which compels them to feel a constant need to exert "their power" over others.
And a moral code that often manifests itself, as hate, violence and cruelty, towards others that don't share their MAGA ideology.
On the other hand, as an aside, I'm enjoying the inadequate, incompetent and dysfunctional spectacle that is the QAnon/Repub House Caucus. So not all is lost, the QAnon/Repubs can be quite entertaining.
So popcorn, pizza, wine, beer and a buck of chicken at the ready...it is turning out to be, a "blockbuster" show, one we haven't seen in over a hundred years. (...kkkk!) Enjoy the Show!Blockbuster show?(I'm sure watching paint dry would be more exciting) wow bro you really should get out more, have you ever heard of something called pussy?
Or if not that, whatever trips your trigger LOL.
Well if you are a shut in?(or locked in a state psych ward) is that why you are on a political thread on a mongering website 24/7.
Free tip, do you know the internet has free porn? ANY kind you like bro? LOL.
Bon Appetit.
Please see my last paragraph from the post you're quoting.
I feel like 30% of the country are diehard Trump supporters and 30% are diehard Progressives. And the other 40% of us are fucked.
While I don't like Trump and would never vote for him, I could live in a country where he's President. The Trumpsters probably won't try to pick my pocket. I couldn't live in a country dominated by progressives.
The trumpsters might not pick your pocket, but they won't think twice before threatening you for doing your job if if your job may endanger their dear leader like some Republican election workers found out for themselves. And they might try to blow you up or kidnap you if they believe that you're encroaching on their "liberties". Some of them won't even hesitate to show up in your pizza parlor looking for chained trafficked children in your basement (that doesn't exist).
I'll take pickpockets, thank you very much.
The following is the best report I've ever read explaining how "conspiracy theories" operate. While the report was written with Damar Hamlin in mind (the guy who collapsed on the field during this past MNF game), it delves into conspiracy theories in general and antivaxxers specifically.
Since many won't bother to read the source (they'll call it 'fake news' like they always do), I'll post the text also. FYI, the bolded text is mine.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-anti-vaxxers-pounced-on-damar-hamlins-collapse
Nicholas Grossman.
Updated Jan. 04,2023 7:10 PM ET Published Jan. 03,2023 8:14 PM ET.
Buffalo Bills safety Damar Hamlin suffered cardiac arrest and collapsed after making a tackle during a Monday Night Football game versus the Cincinnati Bengals. While most saw a tragedy, anti-vaxxers saw opportunity.
As of this writing, the reason Hamlin's heart stopped remains unknown—one possibility raised by cardiologists is an arrhythmia caused by blunt impact to the chest—but that didn't stop conspiracy theorists from baselessly claiming it was a COVID-19 vaccine.
Whether Hamlin has taken the vaccine or any boosters, and (if so) how many doses he's had, isn't publicly known either. He was in the league last season, when the NFL said "nearly 95 percent of players are vaccinated," so it's likely he's had at least one COVID shot, but even if that's the case, we have no idea if he's had any since, and most of the already rare heart issues that arose after vaccination have occurred within seven days of getting one.
Nevertheless, some MAGA influencers, such as radio host Tim Young and former Navy officer Andrew Rose, used the incident to declare that public health officials' were lying when they said approved COVID vaccines are "safe and effective. "
Celebrity doctors who have spread doubts about COVID shots got in on the action too. Drew Pinksy, the former host of VH1's Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew, tweeted "Another athlete who dropped suddenly" to his 2. 6 million followers, implying the number of athlete collapses spiked in the last two years (it hasn't), and that medical examination has indicated the not-actually-real spike was caused by vaccines.
However, sudden cardiac arrest in young athletes has been a medical concern for years—see, for example, these peer-reviewed papers from 2016 and 2001—and there's no evidence indicating that a vaccine first administered in December 2020 is a significant cause of it. Some anti-vaxxers point to VAERS, a public comment system run by America's Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and Food and Drug Administration (FDA). But since it allows anyone to say anything, medical professionals consider the data basically worthless, and the CDC emphasizes that VAERS reports do not show causality.
Aseem Malhotra, a you. K. Doctor whose writing on coronary artery disease the British Heart Foundation called "misleading and wrong," reacted to news of Hamlin's collapse by repeating his claim that COVID vaccines should be considered "a likely contributory factor in all unexpected cardiac arrests. Until proven otherwise. ".
That's not how science works. Evidence showing that X is a significant cause of why is necessary before scientists think it's a likely factor. Presuming otherwise violates a scientific principle so well known it's become a cliche: correlation is not causation. Just because two things happened around the same time doesn't mean one caused the other.
And with Damar Hamlin's cardiac arrest, we don't even know if there's correlation.
Scientific analysis requires a baseline of skepticism, where the burden of proof falls on those making a causal claim. That doesn't mean one should assume a theory is definitely false, just that it shouldn't be considered likely until tested and supported by evidence.
To test a theory, scientists need data; a universe of cases, a representative sample, not merely a few anecdotes that fit a preconceived conclusion. Otherwise a correlation between X and why could be coincidence, or X and why could both be caused by some factor Z. Telling people to assume, without evidence, that X caused why until someone else proves that it doesn't is the method of superstition, manipulation, and conspiracy theories.
Conspiracy theorists typically go further, not just insisting an unsupported theory is true, but continuing to insist it's true in the face of evidence that it's not. COVID vaccine conspiracy theories are an especially egregious example.
Over 13 billion doses of COVID-19 vaccine have been administered worldwide. About 80 percent of the population in both the United States and United Kingdom have had at least one COVID shot. It's effectively the biggest scientific test of a vaccination program in history, and antivax theories of widespread negative effects have decisively failed.
If anti-vaxxers were right, there would be millions of vaccine-caused deaths and millions more hospitalizations. It should be like COVID itself, where just about every hospital in the USA, you. K. , and other countries has treated numerous patients, and most individuals know someone who died, or at least got seriously ill.
But that hasn't materialized. As with any medical procedure, there are some instances of complications, but they've been rare, nowhere near the scale anti-vaxxers presume. And yet, rather than breathe an epic sigh of relief that their fears were unwarranted, they've plowed ahead, pretending it actually happened.
They do this even at the anecdotal level.
Before pointing to Damar Hamlin's cardiac arrest as evidence of his antivax theories, Aseem Malhotra made similar claims about Foo Fighters' drummer Taylor Hawkins, who died last year at the age of 50. Hawkins "suffered a sudden cardiac death because of the mRNA jab he'the recently taken under coercion," Malhotra blared, prompting criticism from the late drummer's family and bandmates. A toxicology report found ten substances in Hawkins' system, including opiates, antidepressants, and benzodiazepines, indicating his death was likely caused by an overdose.
Lack of evidence doesn’t pose a problem for conspiracy theorists, because they can always incorporate the absence into their theories.
If the public doesn’t see proof, that must be because everyone in a position to observe or publicize the evidence is in on the conspiracy. It doesn’t make sense if you really think about it—do you realize how many people need to have superhuman competence to pull off something that big without leaving tons of evidence?
But conspiracy theorists know some people won’t. One allure of conspiracy theorist communities is the shared feeling that they’re smarter than others, that they’ve figured out a secret most can’t see, or that the reason they’re unhappy with something in their life isn’t some combination of bad luck and their own bad decisions, but due to people they don’t like working to keep them down.
Whether deliberate or not, pushing conspiracy theories is effectively con artistry, exploiting the gullible with claims that boil down to “just trust me.”
Malhotra, for example, said a “reliable source” backed up his claims about Taylor Hawkins, but the source was “afraid of speaking out for fear of losing his job.” If this supposed source never comes forward, others can’t evaluate his reliability or scientifically examine his evidence. How convenient.
Part of the trick is to cast conspiracy theorists and people who believe them as victims of shadowy forces. The source wants to show you the proof, but can’t, because his employers are in on it. The government and mainstream media “knows” the conspiracy is real, but they prevent you from finding out by punishing anyone who merely asks about it.
Alex Berenson—memorably dubbed by Atlantic writer Derek Thompson as "the pandemic's wrongest man" for how many debunked claims he aggressively pushed—denounced reports of doctors suggesting non-vaccine causes for Damar Hamlin's cardiac arrest as "spin. " The "media and league will do whatever they can to avoid the obvious question," Berenson insinuated. But in reality, the NFL and various media figures are asking obvious questions such as "what happened? "will he be okay? And in sports media, "when will the postponed game resume?
If a reporter asks a doctor about it, they don't have access to Hamlin's medical records—including his vaccination status—and offer possible explanations consistent with the scientific literature, usually with careful caveats. As for the doctors treating Hamlin, reporters and talking heads don't know what specifics they're asking, and Berenson doesn't either.
Charlie Kirk, who runs Turning Point USA (TPUSA), one of the most influential Republican organizations in the United States, also claimed to be a victim for asking questions.
After Hamlin collapsed, Kirk tweeted to his 1. 9 million followers a sentiment similar to Dr. Drew's: "Athletes dropping suddenly. " Kirk called that an "all too familiar sight right now," as if it was a recent phenomenon. Seventeen hours later, Kirk announced that, "For committing the crime of noticing that athletes are tragically collapsing on the playing field, I have been labeled 'human garbage'. Paying attention yet?
There's no evidence vaccines played a role in Damar Hamlin's cardiac arrest, but there is evidence someone harshly criticized Charlie Kirk. And the harsh criticism couldn't possibly be because just about every public figure gets harsh criticism on social media, and some people think Kirk is wrongly spreading misinformation that undermines individual and public health. No, it must indicate he's right and "not allowed" to say the things he's saying in public without any consequence besides harshly critical speech.
Early in 2022, Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) did something similar in an appearance on Kirk's radio show, making the wildly inaccurate claim that "over 22,000 deaths" have been associated with COVID vaccines, and lamenting how there's "all these athletes dropping dead on the field, but we're supposed to ignore that. " When pressed, Johnson spokesperson Alexa Henning defended the senator by saying he was just asking questions, not making factual claims. For evidence that Johnson's concerns had merit, she linked to an anonymous blog post. Upon further examination by Washington Post reporter Glenn Kessler, the claims in that blog post could be traced back to an Austrian website associated with the country's far-right Freedom Party.
That's one way that fringe ideas become mainstream.
The problem with "just asking questions" is not that people are asking, it's that the questions they're asking have answers they refuse to acknowledge.
Anyone actually interested in the risks of various vaccines can look at data from clinical trials and real-world usage, consult peer-reviewed papers and public health officials, or just ask their doctor, almost all of whom recommend vaccination against COVID-19 and other diseases. Anyone who wants to know what caused Damar Hamlin's collapse will wait to hear from the medical professionals who are caring for him.
Anti-vaxxers, however, are interested in giving people the false impression that the answer is vaccines, so they pretend no one will answer the questions, and that someone somewhere is stopping people from asking them. It's not a coincidence that some of the most prominent figures "just asking questions" about COVID vaccines, such as Sen. Ron Johnson, Charlie Kirk, Fox News host Tucker Carlson, and Daily Wire pundit Candace Owens, also push political conspiracy theories. "Just asking questions"—whether about immigration, the 2020 election, or COVID vaccines—isn't pursuit of facts, it's rejection of them in favor of insinuation and grievance.
If you can get people to reject authoritative sources of information, from professional medical associations to election administrators, you can get them to believe just about anything. It traps them in information bubbles where “everyone knows” that powerful forces are conspiring against them, they can’t trust anyone else, and have no choice but to fight back.
But factual reality is a constant threat to puncture the bubble, so conspiracy theorists exploit the human tendency to treat anecdotes on par with data to take things in the news, such as a football player’s tragic collapse on live TV—or the deaths of celebrities such as actress Betty White, rapper Coolio, or comedian Bob Saget—and claim they validate the theories, even if they don’t.
The trumpsters might not pick your pocket, but they won't think twice before threatening you for doing your job if if your job may endanger their dear leader like some Republican election workers found out for themselves. And they might try to blow you up or kidnap you if they believe that you're encroaching on their "liberties". Some of them won't even hesitate to show up in your pizza parlor looking for chained trafficked children in your basement (that doesn't exist).
I'll take pickpockets, thank you very much.Trumpsters are on a tear to flush our tax dollars down the shitter into infinity right now without even being sworn in.
The Repubs, Bothsiders and Neithersiders who facilitated the Repub Redrawn Districts Pink Tinkle of 2022 must be livid that a whole week of their beloved Repubs' promised two full years of describing, envisioning and dwelling on the image of a naked Hunter Biden getting a footjob from an Asian hooker has been lost forever with possibly more lost weeks and months ahead.
Does anyone doubt that, should they ever actually take that Redrawn Districts Pink Tinkle majority in the House before November 2024, these Repubs will make the absolute worst decisions for the economy in order to pick all of our pockets in grand fashion just as Repubs have through every Repub-stewarded Great Depression, Great Recession, Massive Jobs Destruction and Mega Bear Crash and none of the Great Upside counterparts to those Repub accomplishments over the past 100 years?
As has been true since at least the middle of Reagan's first term as president, the reality for a greater American economy and stronger National Security is diminished and chipped away every time an American who is eligible to register and vote does not do so and vote Democrat straight down their ballot for every election every time.
While I don't like Trump and would never vote for him, I could live in a country where he's President. The Trumpsters probably won't try to pick my pocket. I couldn't live in a country dominated by progressives ... The "pick my pocket" phrase, was definitely an interesting turn of phrase you used, given MAGA Ideology. Meaning there is more than one way to "pick your pocket", as it were.
Yes the Speaker's race is providing much entertainment for Democrats. The pundits on MSNBC can't talk about anything else! It's going to be interesting to see how it plays out. Well, it seems I'm not the only one who likes "watching paint dry" (...kkkk!)
... Any predictions? While very entertaining, sorry no real predictions of any consequence. Just more of the same, comical dysfunctional ineptitude on behalf of the QAnon/Repubs/MAGA fringe, to hijack legislative procedures, meaningful governing and and hold congress hostage. Like I said in a previous post, ...MAGA Nihilist!!!
Kevin McCarthy, Nine rounds of voting for the speaker of the house and counting!!! I imagine, for those of us watching, this must seem like Kevin McCarthy's own personal version of "Groundhog Day" (....kkkk!)
Yep! Wayyyyyyy better than watching paint dry...at least for some of us.
Yep! Wayyyyyyy better than watching paint dry...at least for some of us.Damn Spidy, We agree for once. I'd like your honest opinion about this video. I brought it to the attention of a Democratic friend who ironically said he'd rather watch paint dry than watch Sean Hannity and Lauren Boebert go at it. He honestly used those words. Anyway I think it's hilarious.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6318208355112
OK, I'll admit that listening to Alexandria Ocasio Cortez expound on Modern Monetary Theory or talk about the famed economist Milton Keynes is more entertaining. But that's mostly because AOC has nicer tatas. She and Boebert are both ditzes.
MarquisdeSade1
01-06-23, 03:27
Hey,
How wrong you are! It is more than likely quite the opposite. I think, it is the newly minted QAnon / Repubs / MAGA tribe, that have a persistent sense of inadequacy and a debilitating inferiority complex, which compels them to feel a constant need to exert "their power" over others.
And a moral code that often manifests itself, as hate, violence and cruelty, towards others that don't share their MAGA ideology.
On the other hand, as an aside, I'm enjoying theinadequate, incompetent and dysfunctional spectacle that is the QAnon / Repub House Caucus. So not all is lost, the QAnon / Repubs can be quite entertaining.
So popcorn, pizza, wine, beer and a buck of chicken at the ready. It is turning out to be, a "blockbuster" show, one we haven't seen in over a hundred years. (. kkkk!) Enjoy the Show!
Something tells me the more it drags on the less you're going to like the final outcome and the more we will!! LMAO.
Please keep your chin tho LMAO.
I'm guessing the only 2 really shitting their diapers are those criminal Bidens.
MAGA 2024!
Maybe there will be an impeachment marathon after all this, Biden Harris Garland Wray and Mayorkas Lolol.
Trumpsters are on a tear to flush our tax dollars down the shitter into infinity right now without even being sworn in.
The Repubs, Bothsiders and Neithersiders who facilitated the Repub Redrawn Districts Pink Tinkle of 2022 must be livid that a whole week of their beloved Repubs' promised two full years of describing, envisioning and dwelling on the image of a naked Hunter Biden getting a footjob from an Asian hooker has been lost forever with possibly more lost weeks and months ahead.
Does anyone doubt that, should they ever actually take that Redrawn Districts Pink Tinkle majority in the House before November 2024, these Repubs will make the absolute worst decisions for the economy in order to pick all of our pockets in grand fashion just as Repubs have through every Repub-stewarded Great Depression, Great Recession, Massive Jobs Destruction and Mega Bear Crash and none of the Great Upside counterparts to those Repub accomplishments over the past 100 years?
As has been true since at least the middle of Reagan's first term as president, the reality for a greater American economy and stronger National Security is diminished and chipped away every time an American who is eligible to register and vote does not do so and vote Democrat straight down their ballot for every election every time.Three million more votes were cast for Republican House candidates than Democrat House candidates. And Republicans control the House by a c*nt hair.
https://www.cookpolitical.com/charts/house-charts/national-house-vote-tracker/2022
Republicans received 2.8 percentage points more of the popular vote, and hold about 2.06 percentage points more seats in the House.
Woe be to the repubs, bothsiders and neithersiders who facilitated redrawn districts that resulted in a fair outcome, with party representation in the House approximately the same as the parties' respective share of the popular vote. For by facilitating fairer redistricting they have enabled the evil Republicans to control the House.
This is actually an excellent illustration, that the 40% of Americans who believe that Trump won the 2020 election are no more irrational than many Democrats. Democratic politicians are always dreaming up imaginary ways Republicans are disenfranchising voters.
Admittedly both sides try to disadvantage the other through redistricting. But every time a Republican legislature or Secretary of State comes up with some innocuous safeguards against voting fraud, the Democrats cry foul. Which just makes Republicans more suspicious of drop boxes and mail in voting and the like.
Elvis 2008
01-06-23, 07:26
Damn Spidy, We agree for once. I'd like your honest opinion about this video. I brought it to the attention of a Democratic friend who ironically said he'd rather watch paint dry than watch Sean Hannity and Lauren Boebert go at it. He honestly used those words. Anyway I think it's hilarious.
It is boring because Hannity has already made up his mind. He is of the we need to move the country along mindset. Tucker Carlson is more of Democracy is messy, and conflict is not always a bad thing.
When I went to my objective sources, the people I trust the most, you learned that this conflict existed with Dems before. AOC and her squad bucked Pelosi and Jimmy Dore was cheering them on. He wanted the squad to demand that the house vote on the single payer option of Medicare for all. What we learned with Obama is he was going to reform health care and he did, by letting the insurance companies right the new law. With Obama, we learned from wikileaks that Citigroup picked the whole Obama cabinet.
And of course, the vote for Medicare for all never hit the house floor as the squad caved.
So the guys like Jimmy Dore, Aaron Mate, and Glenn Greenwald, guys I trust, are asking are these Republican for real? Are they really going to get concessions for the citizens or is Kevin McCarthy going to rule and be a big money guy who does what is best for the big corporations paying him off? And the other possibility is: are these Republican rebels really going at McCarthy for selfish reasons and juicy committee seats?
So which way does it go? Do we get real concessions and reform, or is this just a ploy by these Republican rebels for more money and power? I want to believe the former, but if I had to bet, I would pick the latter. It is Washington after all.
Three million more votes were cast for Republican House candidates than Democrat House candidates. And Republicans control the House by a c*nt hair.
https://www.cookpolitical.com/charts/house-charts/national-house-vote-tracker/2022
Republicans received 2.8 percentage points more of the popular vote, and hold about 2.06 percentage points more seats in the House.
Woe be to the repubs, bothsiders and neithersiders who facilitated redrawn districts that resulted in a fair outcome, with party representation in the House approximately the same as the parties' respective share of the popular vote. For by facilitating fairer redistricting they have enabled the evil Republicans to control the House.
This is actually an excellent illustration, that the 40% of Americans who believe that Trump won the 2020 election are no more irrational than many Democrats. Democratic politicians are always dreaming up imaginary ways Republicans are disenfranchising voters.
Admittedly both sides try to disadvantage the other through redistricting. But every time a Republican legislature or Secretary of State comes up with some innocuous safeguards against voting fraud, the Democrats cry foul. Which just makes Republicans more suspicious of drop boxes and mail in voting and the like.So now a greater percentage of Repubs will suffer the House Repub Crap Behavior and Results in their distrcts and nationally than they had to before the Repubs redrew them and took them from the Dems.
How lucky for them and the country. And much more fair. I wonder what results a do-over election today after just this first week of House "leadership" would produce.
I take it you are 100% in favor of determining the number of Senate Seats by population and abolishing the Electoral College system for a popular vote for POTUS, right?
I mean, to be fair and all that.
I take it you are 100% in favor of determining the number of Senate Seats by population and abolishing the Electoral College system for a popular vote for POTUS, right?
I mean, to be fair and all that.I favor a system like what Thomas Jefferson envisioned, where governmental authority and the power of the purse rest with the states to the extent that it makes sense. If we had that, it wouldn't matter so much which party controlled the federal government. Or how presidential and congressional elections were decided. People like you would be freer to be governed and live the way you want to live in California. And the same would be true for people like me in Texas, who don't appreciate northeastern and west coast politicians fucking us over with, for example, climate and border policies that don't make sense for our state. And taking our money and flushing a big % of it down the drain.
To answer your question, the way the Senate is set up, with 6 year terms, without the power to initiate spending bills, and with each state receiving equal representation, makes sense to me. And if we were writing a new Constitution, it would make sense to do away with the Electoral College and elect the winner based on the popular vote.
The only two presidential elections in modern times where the winner lost the popular vote were Bush vs. Gore in 2000 and Trump vs. Clinton in 2016.
If Gore had won in 2000, maybe we wouldn't have invaded Iraq. Many lives, mostly Iraqi, and many American dollars would have been saved. If Gore governed like Bill Clinton in his second term , he might have made a good president, if the House were in Republican hands and and people like Larry Summers and Robert Rubin were in his administration.
If Clinton had won in 2016, she couldn't have done much harm with a Republican House and Senate. She wouldn't have gotten re-elected in 2020, because of the Clinton Pandemic. (That's what you'd call it, right?) Our national debt wouldn't be as outrageously high as it is today, because split government results in less spending. And because there's no way the Republicans who would have won the 2020 elections would have been as profligate as Biden, Schumer and Pelosi. Another positive, Clinton probably wouldn't have engaged in Trade Wars, like Trump did. Finally, Trump is a blight on the Republican Party. If he'd lost in 2016, he probably would have disappeared into the sunset.
The big downsides would be that we never would have implemented corporate tax reform, including a cut in rates. And we probably wouldn't have had vaccines ready to go in January, 2021 with Clinton in charge.
So anyway, in summary, if we picked presidents based on the popular vote, maybe we'd be better off today.
Three million more votes were cast for Republican House candidates than Democrat House candidates. And Republicans control the House by a c*nt hair.
https://www.cookpolitical.com/charts/house-charts/national-house-vote-tracker/2022
Republicans received 2.8 percentage points more of the popular vote, and hold about 2.06 percentage points more seats in the House.
Woe be to the repubs, bothsiders and neithersiders who facilitated redrawn districts that resulted in a fair outcome, with party representation in the House approximately the same as the parties' respective share of the popular vote. For by facilitating fairer redistricting they have enabled the evil Republicans to control the House.
This is actually an excellent illustration, that the 40% of Americans who believe that Trump won the 2020 election are no more irrational than many Democrats. Democratic politicians are always dreaming up imaginary ways Republicans are disenfranchising voters..Turns out Repubs redrew and gerrymandered so many districts to such an extreme degree for it to be virtually impossible to expect a Dem win in them that the vast majority of House seat candidates that ran UNOPPOSED or, at best, against a third party candidate who also had no chance of winning, were Repubs:
Democrats Allowed 24 Republican House Candidates to Run Unopposed
https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-allowed-24-republican-house-candidates-run-unopposed-1760345
Thomas Gift, founding director of University College London's Centre on U.S. Politics, told Newsweek that Democrats may have had good reason not to contest races they believed they were likely to lose.
"Funneling money, energy, and attention into races where Democrats have no shot at winning only diverts resources from contests that are in play," Gift said.
"While there's something to be said for running a candidate on principle especially against 'ultra-MAGA' Republicans like Paul Gosar there are risks," he said.
"Besides using up scarce resources, it's hard to find candidates willing to be a sacrificial lamb," Gift went on. "And even if these candidates do exist, any wrong moves they make including gaffes, scandals, or indiscretions reflect negatively on the party. Getting thrashed in a general election also isn't the best look for the Democratic Party."Dems wasting all that money and resources by placing and backing candidates in those races very, very likely would not have changed the outcome in those newly redrawn and heavily gerrymandered Repub districts one iota. However, it definitely would have significantly reduced the Repubs' bragging rights on that "Three million more votes" bit. LOL.
And if we also logically subtract most or all of the 142,000+ votes some non entity purportedly named "George Santos" scammed out of that New York district, well, that pretty much puts an end to any surgically isolated Repub / Bothsider / Neithersider whining about "fairness."
I favor a system like what Thomas Jefferson envisioned, where governmental authority and the power of the purse rest with the states to the extent that it makes sense. If we had that, it wouldn't matter so much which party controlled the federal government. Or how presidential and congressional elections were decided. People like you would be freer to be governed and live the way you want to live in California. And the same would be true for people like me in Texas, who don't appreciate northeastern and west coast politicians fucking us over with, for example, climate and border policies that don't make sense for our state. And taking our money and flushing a big % of it down the drain.
To answer your question, the way the Senate is set up, with 6 year terms, without the power to initiate spending bills, and with each state receiving equal representation, makes sense to me. And if we were writing a new Constitution, it would make sense to do away with the Electoral College and elect the winner based on the popular vote.
The only two presidential elections in modern times where the winner lost the popular vote were Bush vs. Gore in 2000 and Trump vs. Clinton in 2016.
If Gore had won in 2000, maybe we wouldn't have invaded Iraq.Yeah, we probably wouldn't have gotten Obama's Rapid Response Vaccine programs to produce millions and millions of vaccines for a so-called "Clinton Pandemic" by January 21,2021 because we wouldn't have needed them for a Pandemic that never happened in the first place.
Neither Clinton nor any other Dem would have defied all expert warnings not to do something so dangerous and stupid as to defund and remove the officials whose job it was to monitor and immediately report, prevent and respond to initial cases of a coronavirus spread.
But Repub Trump did.
Maybe a particular region in China would have needed some that quickly.
And, of course, the USA and the rest of the world could have then taken them at our leisure in the midst of another uninterrupted Great Dem Economic Expansion heading to budget surpluses, just to be sure, on the remote possibility that someday "one case out of China" did indeed break out and cross over somewhere.
It's not surprising that you favor typically Dem states with tens of millions of American taxpaying citizens residing in them, overwhelming contributors to USA GDP, getting the exact same representation in the Senate as typically Repub states with fewer American taxpaying citizens than live in a few square blocks of just one city in those Dem states and with practically nonexistent contribution to USA GDP.
So much for that representation "fairness" BS you tried to float.
It's not surprising that you favor typically Dem states with tens of millions of American taxpaying citizens residing in them, overwhelming contributors to USA GDP, getting the exact same representation in the Senate as typically Repub states with fewer American taxpaying citizens than live in a few square blocks of just one city in those Dem states and with practically nonexistent contribution to USA GDP.I'm perfectly fine with one vote for each tax dollar paid.
And like I already said, I'm perfectly fine electing the president by popular vote.
This is the United STATES of America. Again, as a believer in a federal system, like Thomas Jefferson, I believe power should be vested in the states to the extent it makes sense. So it makes sense to for each state to have equal representation in one of the governing federal bodies. Many other countries have similar systems, like Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belarus, Belgium, Brazil, and Burundi. And that's just going up to the B's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_legislatures_by_country
Turns out Repubs redrew and gerrymandered so many districts to such an extreme degree for it to be virtually impossible to expect a Dem win in them that the vast majority of House seat candidates that ran UNOPPOSED or, at best, against a third party candidate who also had no chance of winning, were Repubs:
Democrats Allowed 24 Republican House Candidates to Run Unopposed
https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-allowed-24-republican-house-candidates-run-unopposed-1760345
Dems wasting all that money and resources by placing and backing candidates in those races very, very likely would not have changed the outcome in those newly redrawn and heavily gerrymandered Repub districts one iota. However, it definitely would have significantly reduced the Repubs' bragging rights on that "Three million more votes" bit. LOL.
And if we also logically subtract most or all of the 142,000+ votes some non entity purportedly named "George Santos" scammed out of that New York district, well, that pretty much puts an end to any surgically isolated Repub / Bothsider / Neithersider whining about "fairness."You fail to note that there were about 12 races where Democrats were the only major party on the ballot. And that in reality only 16 Republicans ran unopposed, with no opponent from the Democratic Party or another Party.
https://www.270towin.com/news/2022/09/15/uncontested-the-35-house-districts-with-only-one-major-party-ballot_1419.html
It wouldn't have made any difference Tooms. Use the following assumptions.
USA population is 330 million.
There are 435 House Districts.
There were 11 more Republicans than Democrats running in districts where there was no opponent from a major party (from above link).
About 1/3rd of voters in a district where there's only one major party candidate would have voted for a hypothetical opposition candidate.
A total of 107.6 million people voted in the House election (from Cook political link I've shown you at least 3 times).
Based on the above, a reasonable estimate of the additional number of popular votes Democrats would have gotten would be
11 x (330 million /435) x 107.6/330 x 1/3rd = 900,000
Republicans still would have won the popular vote by over 2 million votes.
And it would be completely illogical to subtract out 142,000 votes for Santos as you argue. If another Republican had run, he probably would have gotten about the same number of votes as Santos. Or the difference would have been next to nothing compared to the 3 million vote margin for the Republicans.
MarquisdeSade1
01-07-23, 00:35
I favor a system like what Thomas Jefferson envisioned, where governmental authority and the power of the purse rest with the states to the extent that it makes sense. If we had that, it wouldn't matter so much which party controlled the federal government. Or how presidential and congressional elections were decided. People like you would be freer to be governed and live the way you want to live in California. And the same would be true for people like me in Texas, who don't appreciate northeastern and west coast politicians fucking us over with, for example, climate and border policies that don't make sense for our state. And taking our money and flushing a big % of it down the drain.
To answer your question, the way the Senate is set up, with 6 year terms, without the power to initiate spending bills, and with each state receiving equal representation, makes sense to me. And if we were writing a new Constitution, it would make sense to do away with the Electoral College and elect the winner based on the popular vote.
The only two presidential elections in modern times where the winner lost the popular vote were Bush vs. Gore in 2000 and Trump vs. Clinton in 2016.
If Gore had won in 2000, maybe we wouldn't have invaded Iraq. Many lives, mostly Iraqi, and many American dollars would have been saved. If Gore governed like Bill Clinton in his second term , he might have made a good president, if the House were in Republican hands and and people like Larry Summers and Robert Rubin were in his administration.
If Clinton had won in 2016, she couldn't have done much harm with a Republican House and Senate. She wouldn't have gotten re-elected in 2020, because of the Clinton Pandemic. (That's what you'd call it, right?) Our national debt wouldn't be as outrageously high as it is today, because split government results in less spending. And because there's no way the Republicans who would have won the 2020 elections would have been as profligate as Biden, Schumer and Pelosi. Another positive, Clinton probably wouldn't have engaged in Trade Wars, like Trump did. Finally, Trump is a blight on the Republican Party. If he'd lost in 2016, he probably would have disappeared into the sunset.
The big downsides would be that we never would have implemented corporate tax reform, including a cut in rates. And we probably wouldn't have had vaccines ready to go in January, 2021 with Clinton in charge.
So anyway, in summary, if we picked presidents based on the popular vote, maybe we'd be better off today.They chased him out long ago (a CIS white male) lololol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHR2dk4UNCM
MarquisdeSade1
01-07-23, 01:11
I favor a system like what Thomas Jefferson envisioned, where governmental authority and the power of the purse rest with the states to the extent that it makes sense. If we had that, it wouldn't matter so much which party controlled the federal government. Or how presidential and congressional elections were decided. People like you would be freer to be governed and live the way you want to live in California. And the same would be true for people like me in Texas, who don't appreciate northeastern and west coast politicians fucking us over with, for example, climate and border policies that don't make sense for our state. And taking our money and flushing a big % of it down the drain.
To answer your question, the way the Senate is set up, with 6 year terms, without the power to initiate spending bills, and with each state receiving equal representation, makes sense to me. And if we were writing a new Constitution, it would make sense to do away with the Electoral College and elect the winner based on the popular vote.
The only two presidential elections in modern times where the winner lost the popular vote were Bush vs. Gore in 2000 and Trump vs. Clinton in 2016.
If Gore had won in 2000, maybe we wouldn't have invaded Iraq. Many lives, mostly Iraqi, and many American dollars would have been saved. If Gore governed like Bill Clinton in his second term , he might have made a good president, if the House were in Republican hands and and people like Larry Summers and Robert Rubin were in his administration.
If Clinton had won in 2016, she couldn't have done much harm with a Republican House and Senate. She wouldn't have gotten re-elected in 2020, because of the Clinton Pandemic. (That's what you'd call it, right?) Our national debt wouldn't be as outrageously high as it is today, because split government results in less spending. And because there's no way the Republicans who would have won the 2020 elections would have been as profligate as Biden, Schumer and Pelosi. Another positive, Clinton probably wouldn't have engaged in Trade Wars, like Trump did. Finally, Trump is a blight on the Republican Party. If he'd lost in 2016, he probably would have disappeared into the sunset.
The big downsides would be that we never would have implemented corporate tax reform, including a cut in rates. And we probably wouldn't have had vaccines ready to go in January, 2021 with Clinton in charge.
So anyway, in summary, if we picked presidents based on the popular vote, maybe we'd be better off today.https://crisis24.garda.com/alerts/2023/01/thailand-authorities-slightly-increase-restrictions-as-of-jan-6-update-76
Does anyone have a link for cheap insurance for the CCP virus?
Interesting points Elvis.
When I went to my objective sources, the people I trust the most, you learned that this conflict existed with Dems before. AOC and her squad bucked Pelosi and Jimmy Dore was cheering them on. He wanted the squad to demand that the house vote on the single payer option of Medicare for all. What we learned with Obama is he was going to reform health care and he did, by letting the insurance companies right the new law. With Obama, we learned from wikileaks that Citigroup picked the whole Obama cabinet.
And of course, the vote for Medicare for all never hit the house floor as the squad cavedThat's my big problem with Obamacare too. Yeah it's nice more people are covered by insurance. But it's doubling down on a failed system. It didn't do jack to lower cost or improve quality. Yes the insurance companies are one of the main causes of out of control costs.
So the guys like Jimmy Dore, Aaron Mate, and Glenn Greenwald, guys I trust, are asking are these Republican for real? Are they really going to get concessions for the citizens or is Kevin McCarthy going to rule and be a big money guy who does what is best for the big corporations paying him off? And the other possibility is: are these Republican rebels really going at McCarthy for selfish reasons and juicy committee seats?
So which way does it go? Do we get real concessions and reform, or is this just a ploy by these Republican rebels for more money and power? I want to believe the former, but if I had to bet, I would pick the latter. It is Washington after all.I think it's both Elvis. Some of the rebels care about specific issues, government spending or whatever, and are trying to get leverage. And others like you say are looking for more money and power. If you believe the pundits on cable news, Matt Gaetz is an example of the later. He's raising lots of money from people who don't like McCarthy or business as usual, and he's raising his profile hugely. The longer this goes on, the more money he raises. And I imagine he needs a lot. As you know as well as anyone, courting sugarbabies in the USA is not cheap, compared to Mexico anyway.
Damn Spidy, We agree for once. I'd like your honest opinion about this video. I brought it to the attention of a Democratic friend who ironically said he'd rather watch paint dry than watch Sean Hannity and Lauren Boebert go at it. He honestly used those words. Anyway I think it's hilarious.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6318208355112
OK, I'll admit that listening to Alexandria Ocasio Cortez expound on Modern Monetary Theory or talk about the famed economist Milton Keynes is more entertaining. But that's mostly because AOC has nicer tatas. She and Boebert are both ditzes.
Finally got around to watching this video, due to router/internet provider problems, but that's another story.
Anyways, against my better judgement (...kkkk) I did watch the video and yes...agreed, it's hilarious. The Repub infighting, is just music to my ears, but I may come to regret said comments if it persists, for the next two (2) years.
PS: Cheers to splendid nuances of watching paint dry!
You fail to note that there were about 12 races where Democrats were the only major party on the ballot. And that in reality only 16 Republicans ran unopposed, with no opponent from the Democratic Party or another Party.
https://www.270towin.com/news/2022/09/15/uncontested-the-35-house-districts-with-only-one-major-party-ballot_1419.html
It wouldn't have made any difference Tooms. Use the following assumptions.
USA population is 330 million.
There are 435 House Districts.
There were 11 more Republicans than Democrats running in districts where there was no opponent from a major party (from above link).
About 1/3rd of voters in a district where there's only one major party candidate would have voted for a hypothetical opposition candidate.
A total of 107.6 million people voted in the House election (from Cook political link I've shown you at least 3 times).
Based on the above, a reasonable estimate of the additional number of popular votes Democrats would have gotten would be
11 x (330 million /435) x 107.6/330 x 1/3rd = 900,000
Republicans still would have won the popular vote by over 2 million votes.
And it would be completely illogical to subtract out 142,000 votes for Santos as you argue. If another Republican had run, he probably would have gotten about the same number of votes as Santos. Or the difference would have been next to nothing compared to the 3 million vote margin for the Republicans.Uh-huh. And how does your pencil-to-paper recalculation of the Repub vote advantage from 3 million to 2 million effect your earlier whine about the "unfairness" that your beloved Great Recession and Massive Jobs Destruction-Producing Repubs had a 2. 8% point advantage in votes with all those additional UNOPPOSED races but only Pink Tinkled out a 2. 06% advantage in House seats?
Did it pretty much make it a whine without justification?
My point about "George Santos" wasn't about replacing him with another Repub Trump Mini-Me candidate with better hiding places for their fraud from the beginning. It was about him being busted and his entire fake bio being outted days before the election rather than weeks after the election.
Here is what I am Partisan for:
When the record, data and all evidence begins to show Repubs are the ones producing all of the major USA Economic and Jobs Creation Boom Times, even at a piddling and largely irrelevant cost of a few months of inevitable high inflation during their Great Economic Recoveries from Massive Job Losses, and none of the Great Depressions, Great Recessions and Massive Jobs Destruction while Dems are producing all of the Crashes, Great Depressions, Great Recessions and Massive Jobs Destruction but none of those aforementioned Boom Times, I will be happy to start voting for and touting Repubs.
Yes, I am that Partisan for Economic and National Security gains vs horrific losses.
But there is really zero sign or indication that colossal switcheroo between the Parties is in the offing in any of our lifetimes:
Bidens rescue plan made inflation worse but the economy better.
Government cash boosted demand when economy was struggling to produce, experts say
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/10/09/inflation-economy-biden-covid/
December jobs report: Payrolls rise by 223,000, unemployment rate falls to 3.5%
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/december-jobs-report-january-6-2023-125423740.html
Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck, the Dems and everyone who voted for them.
Those duly elected Dems were the ones who shouldered all the heavy lifting and assumed all of the political risk to do what was necessary, when it was necessary, to do as much of it as possible under the tightest restrictions that existed in the Real World and get as much bang for the American taxpayer's buck out of it with as little or less significant pain relative to the gain as anyone predicted.
So the guys like Jimmy Dore, Aaron Mate, and Glenn Greenwald, guys I trust,
.Great to see you mention these 3. They are my top 3 USA journalists right now too. Maybe Matt T would also qualify. Doesn't matter if your Rep or Dem, these 3 will call you out if your talking shlt. Thats how real journalism should be. Maybe you will like David Doel too. His Canadian but has a good channel too. Rational National.
As you know as well as anyone, courting sugarbabies in the USA is not cheap, compared to Mexico anyway.Hookers are hookers no matter what name you give them, and there's no courting involved. Transactions are transactions.
We had one of these "seeking arrangement" girls interviewed on our local news. She was doing pretty good until the prostitution question was directly presented to her, then I've never seen someone so panicked, flustered, and defensive. That's because in spite of all the rationalizations going on in her head, in her heart she knows very well what she is. And their clients know just as well that they are clients.
As to Gaetz, who knows or even cares about his love life as long as he's seeking out adults, but he's a fundamentally unAmerican, lying lowlife whose ideology the American people reject. Though sadly his crowd is able to assert some influence in the Republican Party.
Great to see you mention these 3. They are my top 3 USA journalists right now too. Maybe Matt T would also qualify. Doesn't matter if your Rep or Dem, these 3 will call you out if your talking shlt. Thats how real journalism should be. Maybe you will like David Doel too. His Canadian but has a good channel too. Rational National.Glad to see other folks not getting sucked into the CNN / FOX partisan stupidity.
ChuchoLoco
01-07-23, 15:27
Glad to see other folks not getting sucked into the CNN / FOX partisan stupidity.It should come as no surprise but money money money. Many of CNN's casters are former FOX employees. Seems their attitudes changed with moving to CNN for money?
As to Gaetz, who knows or even cares about his love life as long as he's seeking out adults,Allegedly Gaetz was dating a 17 year old he met off of Seeking.
They chased him out long ago (a CIS white male) lololol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHR2dk4UNCMI don't think they ran him off Marquis. He probably left of his own accord after the politically correct, anti-libertarian Democrats ran off all the affordable hookers. Kamala Harris was the ring leader when she was California attorney general. She went on to greater things when she became a USA Senator, sponsoring FOSTA and SESTA to try to shut down prostitution throughout the USA.
Interesting contrast in the video between wealth and poverty in Monterey County, California. Maybe Tooms moved to Bangkok because he figured he'd be right at home. I don't know if you've been there, but you can visit plush skyscrapers and shopping malls. And if you walk a few blocks you're in a shanty town. You don't have to drive like in California! Although actually the tent shanty towns in Salinas look more like Jakarta than Bangkok.
No wonder so many people are leaving the PRC (Peoples Republic of California).
https://crisis24.garda.com/alerts/2023/01/thailand-authorities-slightly-increase-restrictions-as-of-jan-6-update-76
Does anyone have a link for cheap insurance for the CCP virus?Yes indeed, if only Thailand had virus insurance. The country was hit very hard by the pandemic because tourism is one of the largest contributors to GDP. And the Thais through 2020 and into 2021 tried to control the spread of the virus through lockdowns. They effectively shut down tourism and travel from overseas until last year, unless you were willing to jump through hoops. Tooms apparently believes we should have done something similar in the USA so we wouldn't have suffered the ill effects of his so called "Trump Pandemic."
Anyway, as I have said several times, Tooms is a bright guy. The availability of hot and cold running hotties was undoubtedly not his only consideration in moving to Thailand. He receives income in dollars from his rental properties but spends Thai Baht. Things must have been cheap for him before the pandemic. But now they're super cheap. Thailand's COVID policies and the effect on tourism played a large part in the depreciation of the Baht. So that now a good all night hooker in Bangkok costs less than a steak dinner (with wine) in many American restaurants.
Uh-huh. And how does your pencil-to-paper recalculation of the Repub vote advantage from 3 million to 2 million effect your earlier whine about the "unfairness" that your beloved Great Recession and Massive Jobs Destruction-Producing Repubs had a 2. 8% point advantage in votes with all those additional UNOPPOSED races but only Pink Tinkled out a 2. 06% advantage in House seats?
Did it pretty much make it a whine without justification?Where did I mention unfairness? I said exactly the opposite:
Republicans received 2.8 percentage points more of the popular vote, and hold about 2.06 percentage points more seats in the House.
Woe be to the repubs, bothsiders and neithersiders who facilitated redrawn districts that resulted in a fair outcome, with party representation in the House approximately the same as the parties' respective share of the popular vote. For by facilitating fairer redistricting they have enabled the evil Republicans to control the House.If you whack 900,000 votes off the Republican total, then the party received around 2% more popular votes and 2% more seats.
As to your point that more Republicans were running unopposed than Democrats, what caused that? Maybe Democratic legislatures were piling as many Republicans as they could into certain districts? That's a classic redistricting strategy. I'm not saying that entirely explains why, but it might have played a part.
Here is what I am Partisan for:
When the record, data and all evidence begins to show Repubs are the ones producing all of the major USA Economic and Jobs Creation Boom Times, even at a piddling and largely irrelevant cost of a few months of inevitable high inflation during their Great Economic Recoveries from Massive Job Losses, and none of the Great Depressions, Great Recessions and Massive Jobs Destruction while Dems are producing all of the Crashes, Great Depressions, Great Recessions and Massive Jobs Destruction but none of those aforementioned Boom Times, I will be happy to start voting for and touting Repubs.
Yes, I am that Partisan for Economic and National Security gains vs horrific losses.Yada yada.
But there is really zero sign or indication that colossal switcheroo between the Parties is in the offing in any of our lifetimes:
Bidens rescue plan made inflation worse but the economy better.
Government cash boosted demand when economy was struggling to produce, experts say
https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/10/09/inflation-economy-biden-covid/I can't read the article. And who's this joker David J. Lynch who wrote the article? I'd trust Democratic Party economists Larry Summers and Jason Furman over David J. Lynch any day.
December jobs report: Payrolls rise by 223,000, unemployment rate falls to 3.5%
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/december-jobs-report-january-6-2023-125423740.htmlWait and see what the unemployment rate is after the Fed finishes raising interest rates, to counteract inflation that was kicked off by the excessive fiscal stimulus in Biden's American Rescue Plan. As it is, the labor force participation rate has flatlined around 62.2% since February, 2022, down from 63.3% before COVID.
Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck, the Dems and everyone who voted for them.
Those duly elected Dems were the ones who shouldered all the heavy lifting and assumed all of the political risk to do what was necessary, when it was necessary, to do as much of it as possible under the tightest restrictions that existed in the Real World and get as much bang for the American taxpayer's buck out of it with as little or less significant pain relative to the gain as anyone predicted.Since when is spending money that we can't afford to spend, heavy lifting? Since when is buying off voters with $1400 checks and businesses with corporate welfare heavy lifting? And if our Democratic President, House and Senate imposed the tightest restrictions in the Real World, then why have over 700,000 Americans died from COVID since Biden took office?
Where did I mention unfairness? I said exactly the opposite:
If you whack 900,000 votes off the Republican total, then the party received around 2% more popular votes and 2% more seats.
As to your point that more Republicans were running unopposed than Democrats, what caused that? Maybe Democratic legislatures were piling as many Republicans as they could into certain districts? That's a classic redistricting strategy. I'm not saying that entirely explains why, but it might have played a part.
Yada yada.
I can't read the article. And who's this joker David J. Lynch who wrote the article? I'd trust Democratic Party economists Larry Summers and Jason Furman over David J. Lynch any day.
Wait and see what the unemployment rate is after the Fed finishes raising interest rates, to counteract inflation that was kicked off by the excessive fiscal stimulus in Biden's American Rescue Plan. As it is, the labor force participation rate has flatlined around 62.2% since February, 2022, down from 63.3% before COVID.
Since when is spending money that we can't afford to spend, heavy lifting? Since when is buying off voters with $1400 checks and businesses with corporate welfare heavy lifting? And if our Democratic President, House and Senate imposed the tightest restrictions in the Real World, then why have over 700,000 Americans died from COVID since Biden took office?As the headline I included stated, the Lynch report didn't just whine about the 0. 2% - 3% or so increase in already declining inflation possibly added by the ARP but, uncharacteristically for typically pro Repub MSM, also cited the historic gains in the economy thanks to Biden's American Rescue Plan, based on the data.
You know, as continued in 2022 with 4. 5 million jobs created last year, the unemployment rate back to 3. 5%, etc as opposed to millions upon millions of jobs wiped out thanks to Trump's horrific economic stewardship at the end. Well, even compared to Trump flushing 2. 5+ Trillion down the shitter and only getting 1 million fewer jobs created for it at the beginning for that matter.
Don't tell us Summers is so out of touch that he didn't even acknowledge that the ARP also improved the economy. LOL. The more you rhapsodise about him, the more he sounds like one of those economists who "predicted 6 of the last 2 Recessions. " At least your quote of him previously had him admitting he gets a lot of this stuff wrong. Which would also explain why Biden didn't stop the ARP in its tracks based on anything Larry Summers opined about it and wisely forged ahead with as much as he could get with all 50 Repub Senators Doing Nothing, as is their Party's usual response to Great Repub Crashes and Massive Job Destruction, and two DINOs on the Dem's half.
After this past week's Preview of Coming Attractions for how the Repub House Majority is clearly Un. Fit. To. Serve as witnessed by their international embarrassment shit show to pass the easiest vote they will have before them for the next two years, Larry Summers ought to run, not walk, to the nearest microphone and apologise for anything negative he ever said about a Dem or a Dem-proposed complex but necessary legislation that got passed while any elected Repub was within 1000 miles of the process.
And others like you say are looking for more money and power. If you believe the pundits on cable news, Matt Gaetz is an example of the later. He's raising lots of money from people who don't like McCarthy or business as usual, and he's raising his profile hugely. The longer this goes on, the more money he raises. And I imagine he needs a lot. As you know as well as anyone, courting sugarbabies in the USA is not cheap, compared to Mexico anyway.The very fact that the fake news and deep state are attacking Gaetz should tell you he's onto something. He doesn't need any money: he's from a super-rich family, which is part of what that false sugarbaby scam was about (it was an attempt to shake down his father). But of course the Washington alphabet agencies in conjunction with the media and democrats (the three legged deep state stool) blew up that fake story which came to nothing, just like the fake Russia collusion nonsense, the fake "insurrection" on Jan 6 in which nobody died except Ashli Babbitt, and everything else they push (while ignoring / vastly downplaying the actual insurrections by BLM / antifa which burned half the country down).
Imagine the FBI and media going hard after that Gaetz nothingburger while completely ignoring the guest list for Jeffrey Epstein's pe-do island. Really gets the noggin joggin, eh?
Gaetz is a threat to the entrenched Washington swamp and its globohomo agenda of open borders; anti-white hate and replacement; lowered living standards and destruction of the middle class under the excuse of "climate change'; crazed feminism; gay sex parades and child trannies; pe-do-files; and expensive, wasteful wars to enforce said agenda on the rest of the world.
Trump was / is also a threat to that agenda, as is Tucker Carlson. You can tell who is and isn't a threat by who they go after. The useless Sean Hannity, for instance, a neocon Republican establishment shill, is left alone. No FBI raids or antifa attacks on his house.
MarquisdeSade1
01-07-23, 23:54
I don't think they ran him off Marquis. He probably left of his own accord after the politically correct, anti-libertarian Democrats ran off all the affordable hookers. Kamala Harris was the ring leader when she was California attorney general. She went on to greater things when she became a USA Senator, sponsoring FOSTA and SESTA to try to shut down prostitution throughout the USA.
Interesting contrast in the video between wealth and poverty in Monterey County, California. Maybe Tooms moved to Bangkok because he figured he'd be right at home. I don't know if you've been there, but you can visit plush skyscrapers and shopping malls. And if you walk a few blocks you're in a shanty town. You don't have to drive like in California! Although actually the tent shanty towns in Salinas look more like Jakarta than Bangkok.
No wonder so many people are leaving the PRC (Peoples Republic of California).
Yes indeed, if only Thailand had virus insurance. The country was hit very hard by the pandemic because tourism is one of the largest contributors to GDP. And the Thais through 2020 and into 2021 tried to control the spread of the virus through lockdowns. They effectively shut down tourism and travel from overseas until last year, unless you were willing to jump through hoops. Tooms apparently believes we should have done something similar in the USA so we wouldn't have suffered the ill effects of his so called "Trump Pandemic."
Anyway, as I have said several times, Tooms is a bright guy. The availability of hot and cold running hotties was undoubtedly not his only consideration in moving to Thailand. He receives income in dollars from his rental properties but spends Thai Baht. Things must have been cheap for him before the pandemic. But now they're super cheap. Thailand's COVID policies and the effect on tourism played a large part in the depreciation of the Baht. So that now a good all night hooker in Bangkok costs less than a steak dinner (with wine) in many American restaurants.Just kidding hes a great guy and an even better monger.
I have met some of the most prolific mongers in the world.
Hes easily in the Top 3,then theres Siri in Deutschland hes a savage and myself of course 555.
But I may rank myself #1 if for no other reason they are very one dimensional.
Siri has a very small sphere of influence as does ET.
Me on the other hand 555 I aspire to pummel putas in every capital on the planet before I'm done 555.
https://www.newsmax.com/reagan/narco-obrador/2022/07/12/id/1078370/
https://nypost.com/2022/07/28/mexico-city-residents-angered-by-influx-of-americans-speaking-english-gentrifying-area-report/
Just kidding hes a great guy and an even better monger.
I have met some of the most prolific mongers in the world.
Hes easily in the Top 3,then theres Siri in Deutschland hes a savage and myself of course 555.
But I may rank myself #1 if for no other reason they are very one dimensional.
Siri has a very small sphere of influence as does ET.
Me on the other hand 555 I aspire to pummel putas in every capital on the planet before I'm done 555.
https://www.newsmax.com/reagan/narco-obrador/2022/07/12/id/1078370/
https://nypost.com/2022/07/28/mexico-city-residents-angered-by-influx-of-americans-speaking-english-gentrifying-area-report/Well, coming from you, that is very high praise indeed, Marquis. You are certainly the most studied and analytical monger I have met. And to many more rewarding Real Sex ends than most of us. I have incorporated several of your observations and methods into my hobby.
Yes, I have kept my mongering to Thailand since I was "run" out California with enough California-related investments, savings, pension and rental income to enjoy one hell of a great early retirement, worry-free and comfortable life of leisure getting laid and blown by as many sweet young ladies as I can fit in before the final wrap up.
Actually, these last 3 years were to be when I was going to revisit a few decades past favorite countries and explore some new ones. But then, as we all know, Trump laid the groundwork and did everything a world leader could possibly do to produce that Trump's Pandemic thingy. Now I see we still aren't nearly done with it in terms of travel restrictions, its negative effect on international mongering, your hobby, and likely never will be. Elections matter.
On your latest travel challenge re Trump's Pandemic, wouldn't there be ads and links to where and how to buy temporary Trump's Pandemic covered insurance to last at least as long as your travel plans on the same sites where you purchase airline tickets? When it was required in the past, I recall hearing it was not very expensive, maybe no more than 1000 - 2000 THB /$30 - $60 USD, thanks, Joe, per month depending on your age.
MarquisdeSade1
01-08-23, 04:08
I don't think they ran him off Marquis. He probably left of his own accord after the politically correct, anti-libertarian Democrats ran off all the affordable hookers. Kamala Harris was the ring leader when she was California attorney general. She went on to greater things when she became a USA Senator, sponsoring FOSTA and SESTA to try to shut down prostitution throughout the USA.
Interesting contrast in the video between wealth and poverty in Monterey County, California. Maybe Tooms moved to Bangkok because he figured he'd be right at home. I don't know if you've been there, but you can visit plush skyscrapers and shopping malls. And if you walk a few blocks you're in a shanty town. You don't have to drive like in California! Although actually the tent shanty towns in Salinas look more like Jakarta than Bangkok.
No wonder so many people are leaving the PRC (Peoples Republic of California).
Yes indeed, if only Thailand had virus insurance. The country was hit very hard by the pandemic because tourism is one of the largest contributors to GDP. And the Thais through 2020 and into 2021 tried to control the spread of the virus through lockdowns. They effectively shut down tourism and travel from overseas until last year, unless you were willing to jump through hoops. Tooms apparently believes we should have done something similar in the USA so we wouldn't have suffered the ill effects of his so called "Trump Pandemic."
Anyway, as I have said several times, Tooms is a bright guy. The availability of hot and cold running hotties was undoubtedly not his only consideration in moving to Thailand. He receives income in dollars from his rental properties but spends Thai Baht. Things must have been cheap for him before the pandemic. But now they're super cheap. Thailand's COVID policies and the effect on tourism played a large part in the depreciation of the Baht. So that now a good all night hooker in Bangkok costs less than a steak dinner (with wine) in many American restaurants.I was in BKK for 60 days and seen many parts of the city and didn't see any shanty towns.
Now try walking in San Francisco LOS Angeles or San Diego.
Without stepping in human diarrhea, a true 3rd world shithole.
https://www.axios.com/2020/12/08/china-spy-california-politicians
https://nypost.com/2020/12/09/rep-swalwell-wont-say-if-he-had-sex-with-chinese-spy/
MarquisdeSade1
01-08-23, 14:13
Just kidding hes a great guy and an even better monger.
I have met some of the most prolific mongers in the world.
Hes easily in the Top 3,then theres Siri in Deutschland hes a savage and myself of course 555.
But I may rank myself #1 if for no other reason they are very one dimensional.
Siri has a very small sphere of influence as does ET.
Me on the other hand 555 I aspire to pummel putas in every capital on the planet before I'm done 555.
https://www.newsmax.com/reagan/narco-obrador/2022/07/12/id/1078370/
https://nypost.com/2022/07/28/mexico-city-residents-angered-by-influx-of-americans-speaking-english-gentrifying-area-report/https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/diarrhea-poured-on-woman-hollywood-homeless/2112762/
The very fact that the fake news and deep state are attacking Gaetz should tell you he's onto something. He doesn't need any money: he's from a super-rich family, which is part of what that false sugarbaby scam was about (it was an attempt to shake down his father). But of course the Washington alphabet agencies in conjunction with the media and democrats (the three legged deep state stool) blew up that fake story which came to nothing, just like the fake Russia collusion nonsense, the fake "insurrection" on Jan 6 in which nobody died except Ashli Babbitt, and everything else they push (while ignoring / vastly downplaying the actual insurrections by BLM / antifa which burned half the country down).
Imagine the FBI and media going hard after that Gaetz nothingburger while completely ignoring the guest list for Jeffrey Epstein's pe-do island. Really gets the noggin joggin, eh?
Gaetz is a threat to the entrenched Washington swamp and its globohomo agenda of open borders; anti-white hate and replacement; lowered living standards and destruction of the middle class under the excuse of "climate change'; crazed feminism; gay sex parades and child trannies; pe-do-files; and expensive, wasteful wars to enforce said agenda on the rest of the world.
Trump was / is also a threat to that agenda, as is Tucker Carlson. You can tell who is and isn't a threat by who they go after. The useless Sean Hannity, for instance, a neocon Republican establishment shill, is left alone. No FBI raids or antifa attacks on his house.Another fact free post with lots of "they", "them", "fake news", "deep state", "alphabet agencies" et cetera.
The only "fact" in this post is that Gaetz' family is wealthy. Gaetz himself isn't, at least according to his FEC filing. Unless, of course, he took a course in situational ethics from that famous astronaut, winner of the academy best actor award and MVP of all of professional football (all three types. The European kind, the American kind and the Canadian kind): George Santos.
They chased him out long ago (a CIS white male) lololol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHR2dk4UNCM
Interesting contrast in the video between wealth and poverty in Monterey County, California. Maybe Tooms moved to Bangkok because he figured he'd be right at home. I don't know if you've been there, but you can visit plush skyscrapers and shopping malls. And if you walk a few blocks you're in a shanty town. You don't have to drive like in California! Although actually the tent shanty towns in Salinas look more like Jakarta than Bangkok..
I was in BKK for 60 days and seen many parts of the city and didn't see any shanty towns.
Now try walking in San Francisco LOS Angeles or San Diego.
Without stepping in human diarrhea, a true 3rd world shithole.
A Bucket of Hot Diarrhea Was Randomly Poured on a Woman by a Homeless Man
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/diarrhea-poured-on-woman-hollywood-homeless/2112762/I think you're right Marquis. There are shantytowns in Bangkok. I remember at least a couple beside canals. However, I've spent very little time in California, so I can't really compare. And I don't remember anything in Bangkok that compared to that tent city in your Monterey County video.
You know, I think I probably got it ass backwards. Tooms probably left California for Bangkok because he was tired of the slums and the riff raff, not to mention the homeless going around dumping diarrhea on people.
The very fact that the fake news and deep state are attacking Gaetz should tell you he's onto something. He doesn't need any money: he's from a super-rich family, which is part of what that false sugarbaby scam was about (it was an attempt to shake down his father). But of course the Washington alphabet agencies in conjunction with the media and democrats (the three legged deep state stool) blew up that fake story which came to nothing, just like the fake Russia collusion nonsense, the fake "insurrection" on Jan 6 in which nobody died except Ashli Babbitt, and everything else they push (while ignoring / vastly downplaying the actual insurrections by BLM / antifa which burned half the country down).
Imagine the FBI and media going hard after that Gaetz nothingburger while completely ignoring the guest list for Jeffrey Epstein's pe-do island. Really gets the noggin joggin, eh?
Gaetz is a threat to the entrenched Washington swamp and its globohomo agenda of open borders; anti-white hate and replacement; lowered living standards and destruction of the middle class under the excuse of "climate change'; crazed feminism; gay sex parades and child trannies; pe-do-files; and expensive, wasteful wars to enforce said agenda on the rest of the world.
Trump was / is also a threat to that agenda, as is Tucker Carlson. You can tell who is and isn't a threat by who they go after. The useless Sean Hannity, for instance, a neocon Republican establishment shill, is left alone. No FBI raids or antifa attacks on his house.I don't know much about Gaetz. A friend of mine who lives in his Congressional district says he's a good guy. And I don't watch enough Hannity to have formed much of an opinion.
As to Trump, I don't see how he was a threat to the Washington swamp agenda. There were two issues where he differed from the Democratic and Republican Party establishment. One, staying out of other peoples' real wars, I agreed with. The second, starting Trade Wars, I disagreed with. But Biden, the Democrats and the Republican Party appear to have followed right along with Trump on that second point. You still have protectionist rules and China bashing, promoted by both sides, that overall hurt American manufacturers, exporters and consumers. Biden's all in on that.
Trump took the lessons he learned from the bankruptcy of his casinos and how he could profit from screwing his suppliers, customers, banks and investors and carried them right on into government. Which is to say he was well prepared for the Washington Way.
Here's an example. Trump ran up huge debt in Atlantic City. And he emerged with a billion dollars in carried forward tax losses, generated by wiping out his bond holders. Why not do the same thing with our federal debt? Trump and the swamp figure they can just print money and never default. So deficits don't matter. Fuck the deficits.
Trump's notorious for lying about everything. Well, that's nothing new. For most Washington politicians that's a way of life.
As to Carlson, he's got a mixed record in my book. Often he makes sense. But he can be absurd at times. I remember a segment where he apparently was sincerely telling his viewers to report people for child abuse when they saw kids wearing masks. Actually Rachel Maddow and Carlson are pretty similar, in that they both know how to weave a story that's half fiction and make it sound believable. Carlson's a little better at projecting sanctimonious outrage though.
As the headline I included stated, the Lynch report didn't just whine about the 0. 2% - 3% or so increase in already declining inflation possibly added by the ARP but, uncharacteristically for typically pro Repub MSM, also cited the historic gains in the economy thanks to Biden's American Rescue Plan, based on the data.I can't read what Lynch, the Washington Post journalist, wrote. If you looked at inflation around middle to late 2021, a hell of a lot more of it than 0.2 to 0.3% was caused by the ARP. That's just plain ridiculous. And, as I think I recall from a previous post, during the time America was experiencing significantly higher inflation than the rest of the world (due in no small part to the ARP), increases in prices of goods and services outpaced wages by about 1.5%. And the American workingman hasn't gotten that 1.5% back. He's now about 2% worse off, in terms of purchasing power, than he was before.
Well, even compared to Trump flushing 2. 5+ Trillion down the shitter and only getting 1 million fewer jobs created for it at the beginning for that matter.You realize you and I are probably the only ones reading this. I keep repeatedly pointing out that the 2. 5 trillion is a fiction, that assumes the provisions of the TCJA will be extended past their termination dates, which presumably isn't going to happen as long as Democrats control the presidency or the Senate or the House. That's assuming said Democrats view those provisions like you do -- that is, any legislation passed by Republicans without Democratic support is akin to evil incarnate. The CBO and JCT estimated the amount would be around 1.5 trillion. But corporate tax revenues recently have been about equal to what the CBO or JCT estimated they would have been if the TCJA had NEVER been passed. So the amount will probably be less than 1. 5 trillion. Furthermore, the Democrats had the chance to repeal the provisions of the TCJA during 2021 and 2022, but they didn't. Nobody outside of a few borderline nut cases like Warren and Sanders want to take the federal corporate tax rate back up to 35% again.
Don't tell us Summers is so out of touch that he didn't even acknowledge that the ARP also improved the economy. LOL. The more you rhapsodise about him, the more he sounds like one of those economists who "predicted 6 of the last 2 Recessions. " At least your quote of him previously had him admitting he gets a lot of this stuff wrong. Which would also explain why Biden didn't stop the ARP in its tracks based on anything Larry Summers opined about it and wisely forged ahead with as much as he could get with all 50 Repub Senators Doing Nothing, as is their Party's usual response to Great Repub Crashes and Massive Job Destruction, and two DINOs on the Dem's half.
After this past week's Preview of Coming Attractions for how the Repub House Majority is clearly Un. Fit. To. Serve as witnessed by their international embarrassment shit show to pass the easiest vote they will have before them for the next two years, Larry Summers ought to run, not walk, to the nearest microphone and apologise for anything negative he ever said about a Dem or a Dem-proposed complex but necessary legislation that got passed while any elected Repub was within 1000 miles of the process.I don't necessarily like Larry Summers' policy preferences overall and think he's full of shit about 1/3rd of the time. I just keep throwing his name out because he's one of your guys. In fact, he's the most prominent of your guys, in the economics realm. I mention him for the same reason I preferentially post links from, say, Vanity Fair and the New York Times. So you gentlemen on the left can't criticize the source.
I can't read what Lynch, the Washington Post journalist, wrote. If you looked at inflation around middle to late 2021, a hell of a lot more of it than 0.2 to 0.3% was caused by the ARP. That's just plain ridiculous. And, as I think I recall from a previous post, during the time America was experiencing significantly higher inflation than the rest of the world (due in no small part to the ARP), increases in prices of goods and services outpaced wages by about 1.5%. And the American workingman hasn't gotten that 1.5% back. He's now about 2% worse off, in terms of purchasing power, than he was before.
You realize you and I are probably the only ones reading this. I keep repeatedly pointing out that the 2. 5 trillion is a fiction, that assumes the provisions of the TCJA will be extended past their termination dates, which presumably isn't going to happen as long as Democrats control the presidency or the Senate or the House. That's assuming said Democrats view those provisions like you do -- that is, any legislation passed by Republicans without Democratic support is akin to evil incarnate. The CBO and JCT estimated the amount would be around 1.5 trillion. But corporate tax revenues recently have been about equal to what the CBO or JCT estimated they would have been if the TCJA had NEVER been passed. So the amount will probably be less than 1. 5 trillion. Furthermore, the Democrats had the chance to repeal the provisions of the TCJA during 2021 and 2022, but they didn't. Nobody outside of a few borderline nut cases like Warren and Sanders want to take the federal corporate tax rate back up to 35% again.
I don't necessarily like Larry Summers' policy preferences overall and think he's full of shit about 1/3rd of the time. I just keep throwing his name out because he's one of your guys. In fact, he's the most prominent of your guys, in the economics realm. I mention him for the same reason I preferentially post links from, say, Vanity Fair and the New York Times. So you gentlemen on the left can't criticize the source.So you and Larry are outraged that Biden's $1. 9 Trillion ARP contributed mightily to recovering Repub Trump's Economic Crash, creating Millions upon Millions of jobs, higher wages, and to reviving collapsed global supply-chains but can't think of anything to criticise about your rosy $1. 5 Trillion scenario version of Repub Trump's Tax Cuts and Jobs Act that produced at least a Million FEWER jobs in the three years with it than in the previous three years without it and added virtually nothing else to the USA or global economy. Got it.
If you can't read the WaPo report, the internet is full of freely readable reports questioning this favorite Repub notion that Biden's ARP was pure inflation evil and destroyed the USA economy.
Here is one:
Stimulus Spending a Factor, But Far From Whole Story on Inflation
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/06/stimulus-spending-a-factor-but-far-from-whole-story-on-inflation/
Economists cite several reasons for high inflation in the United States, starting with the unprecedented circumstances created by the COVID-19 pandemic. But TV ads in midterm races across the country blame one culprit: stimulus spending by President Joe Bidens administration.
That spending the American Rescue Plan, enacted in March 2021 has been a factor and not an unimportant one, George Selgin, senior fellow and director emeritus of the Center for Monetary and Financial Alternatives at the Cato Institute, told us, echoing the view of other economists. But it certainly has not been the whole story.And, from that same link, here are other highly respected economists, many would argue some who get it right more often than Larry Summers does, addressing an estimate range and assessment for the ARP's contribution to Trump's Pandemic Inflation at its peak:
Economists have said the American Rescue Plan a $1.9 trillion pandemic relief measure that included $1,400 checks to most Americans; expanded unemployment benefits; money for schools, small businesses and states has contributed to high inflation, though estimates vary on how much. Jason Furman, a former economic adviser to President Barack Obama and now a Harvard University professor, told us his estimate is 1 to 4 percentage points and when pressed for one number, he uses the midpoint of 2.5. Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moodys whose work is often cited by the White House said the impact of the stimulus measure now "has largely faded."BTW, my statement was that many estimates are in a range from "0. 2 - 3% or so", as is reflected by the quotes I highlighted above as well, not 0. 2% to 0. 3%.
Gaetz. . . doesn't need any money: he's from a super-rich family.That's brilliant. Really brilliant! Now I understand why Donald Trump is such a selfless altruist. Thank you for bringing it up to our attention. You never disappoint.
Elvis 2008
01-08-23, 23:34
I think you're right Marquis. There are shantytowns in Bangkok. I remember at least a couple beside canals. However, I've spent very little time in California, so I can't really compare. And I don't remember anything in Bangkok that compared to that tent city in your Monterey County video.
You know, I think I probably got it ass backwards. Tooms probably left California for Bangkok because he was tired of the slums and the riff raff, not to mention the homeless going around dumping diarrhea on people.It is funny all these Dems talk about the poor and Republicans loving the rich, but the truth is they have the state that is the most expensive and hurts the poor the most. If California passed a law saying no mortgages higher than $300,000, the real estate market would crash, and people could afford homes. If you really want to talk about the ultimate fleecing of the poor, the fact that high end mortgages are backed by the tax payer is a good place to start. It makes the home owners rich and cities flush with property taxes while fleecing the poor or middle class who are not yet not in houses.
What is so bad is this causes inflation in housing not just in California but other states as the people in California move out. And with the link MDS showed, it is even filtering into Mexico.
If Dems are so for the poor, then why is it so fucking expensive in blue states?
So you and Larry are outraged that Biden's $1. 9 Trillion ARP contributed mightily to recovering Repub Trump's Economic Crash....,I haven't had time to read your entire link but have no problems with the George Selgin and Jason Furman quotes. Furman has more or less echoed Summers on this topic.
By June of 2022, when the article came out, the effects of the excessive monetary stimulus from the ARP had started to wane. But the workingman was (and is) still behind the eight ball:
If you looked at inflation around middle to late 2021, a hell of a lot more of it than 0.2 to 0.3% was caused by the ARP. That's just plain ridiculous. And, as I think I recall from a previous post, during the time America was experiencing significantly higher inflation than the rest of the world (due in no small part to the ARP), increases in prices of goods and services outpaced wages by about 1.5%. And the American workingman hasn't gotten that 1.5% back. He's now about 2% worse off, in terms of purchasing power, than he was before.
If Dems are so for the poor, then why is it so fucking expensive in blue states?Good question. A glance at this would indicate blue states on average are more unequal in terms of income than red states:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_income_inequality
As you have stated, many Democratic politicians are hypocrites.
Elvis, So we're on the same page, these are the five states with the highest inequality in income,
1. New York
2. Connecticut
3. Louisiana
4. Mississippi
5. California
Puerto Rico would be number 1 and the District of Columbia would be number 3 if they were included. As you probably know, it's difficult for a Republican to pick up 7% of the vote in D.C.
The red states with higher inequality are mostly in the south, and so suffer from the legacy of Democratic Party leadership in the 1960's and earlier.
Here are the five with the lowest income inequality, all red states,
50. Utah
49. Idaho
48. Wyoming
47. South Dakota
46. Alaska
Elvis, So we're on the same page, these are the five states with the highest inequality in income,
1. New York
2. Connecticut
3. Louisiana
4. Mississippi
5. California
If we were including territories along with states, Puerto Rico would be number 1 and the District of Columbia would be number 3.
The red states with higher inequality are mostly in the south, and so suffer from the legacy of Democratic Party leadership in the 1960's and earlier.
Here are the five with the lowest inequality, all red states,
1. Utah
2. Idaho
3. Wyoming
4. South Dakota
5. AlaskaYou mean there are practically no jobs available in any of those 5 "lowest income inequality" Red states that justify paying the employee as much for getting it done as in New York, California, Connecticut, etc?
Shocking.
I thought Sheriff Andy Taylor of Mayberry was always worried his Deputy Barney Fife might move to Hootervile or Pixly for a better paying job at the A&P and force him to deputise Otis the Drunk to replace him.
Good question. A glance at this would indicate blue states on average are more unequal in terms of income than red states:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_income_inequality
As you have stated, many Democratic politicians are hypocrites.From the article you referenced. "The South, the tri-state area around New York City and California tend to have more income inequality, while the Upper Midwest, the Northwest and Northern New England are relatively more equal. ".
Who knew that "the South" were "blue states"? If you go back to the 2016 and 2020 Federal Elections, I'll bet you'll find that "the South" in general voted for Donnie the Dumbass.
In addition " States with better financial development tend to be more unequal than those with worse financial opportunities, but the trends go in the opposite directions for high-income and low-income states.
From the article you referenced. "The South, the tri-state area around New York City and California tend to have more income inequality, while the Upper Midwest, the Northwest and Northern New England are relatively more equal. ".
Who knew that "the South" were "blue states"? If you go back to the 2016 and 2020 Federal Elections, I'll bet you'll find that "the South" in general voted for Donnie the Dumbass.
In addition " States with better financial development tend to be more unequal than those with worse financial opportunities, but the trends go in the opposite directions for high-income and low-income states.Take the Tiny Challenge. Define a blue state as one that Biden AND Hillary Clinton won in 2016 and 2020. Define a red state as one that Trump won in both elections. Kick out all the rest. Get populations for the blue and red states. Multiply each state's population by each state's Gini coefficient, from the wikipedia link. Then sum for the blue states and separately for the red states. Divide by the total population of blue and red states respectively. I bet that the weighted average Gini coefficient for the blue states will be higher than the red states. In fact, if I'm wrong, I'll reward you with the Tiny Triple Combo:
One hour with a masagista from what I deem to be the finest estetica in Jalisco
One lunch at my favorite restaurant in Jalisco
One bottle (small) of Clase Azul Reposado tequila
I'm assuming here based on your handle that you spend a lot of time in Puerto Vallarta. If so, I'm in your neck of the woods several times a year so can comply with my promise. But it doesn't really matter. Because if you take the Tiny Challenge, YOU WILL LOOSE.
The irony is that listening to New York and California Democratic politicians, and given that this is the United STATES of America, where the states are free to impose whatever type of taxation and social welfare systems they wish, you'd think those two states would have Gini coefficients similar to the European social welfare states. But they don't. Not by a long shot. Those politicians may just be pulling the wool over the public's eyes.
You mean there are practically no jobs available in any of those 5 "lowest income inequality" Red states that justify paying the employee as much for getting it done as in New York, California, Connecticut, etc?
Shocking.
I thought Sheriff Andy Taylor of Mayberry was always worried his Deputy Barney Fife might move to Hootervile or Pixly for a better paying job at the A&P and force him to deputise Otis the Drunk to replace him.After adjusting for purchasing power, Wyoming, South Dakota, Alaska, Utah and Idaho rank 4th, 8th, 17th, 43rd, and 45th in terms of per capita income. That's a pretty good cross section of America. California is 22nd and New York is 7th. New York is 7th because of the rent seeking finance industry, which sucks money out of the rest of the country while providing little in return. Same for #1 Connecticut.
Interesting argument btw, very atypical for someone who's left of center. Most Democrats would reject the idea that inequality results in higher per capita or median income. But to be honest, you might be on to something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_adjusted_per_capita_personal_income
Another fact free post with lots of "they", "them", "fake news", "deep state", "alphabet agencies" et cetera.
The only "fact" in this post is that Gaetz' family is wealthy. Gaetz himself isn't, at least according to his FEC filing. Unless, of course, he took a course in situational ethics from that famous astronaut, winner of the academy best actor award and MVP of all of professional football (all three types. The European kind, the American kind and the Canadian kind): George Santos.Another goofy post which addressed none of the points at hand. Let's try just one: why did the democrats, media and FBI (better known as, yes, the Washington deep state) make such a fuss over the Gaetz nothingburger which came to zero, while completely ignoring the high-level media / hollywood / democrat figures on the guest list of the island of Jeffrey Epstein, an acknowledged pe-do?
Or is calling Epstein a pe-do a "conspiracy theory"?
"Alphabet agencies" is a well-known term to describe the plethora of Washington intelligence and (selective: see above) law enforcement agencies such as the FBI, CIA, NSA, DHS, etc. Glad to educate you, not for the first time.
P.S. Imagine criticising George Santos for calling himself "Jew-ish" when one of the leading figures of the democrat party, Senator Elizabeth "Fauxcahontas" Warren would be teaching elementary school if she hadn't pretended to be a native American to get ahead.
Or Senator "the Nang Dick" Blumenthal, who lied about having served in Vietnam: stolen valor is far more despicable than anything Santos said, but for some reason the media never bring it up. Why is that?
Or "Vice-President" Kamala Harris, who would be chasing unpaid parking tickets in Fresno if she hadn't chased down the married mayor of San Francisco Willie Brown and hit it so good he gave her multiple undeserved promotions.
Perhaps look a little closer to home next time.
As to Trump, I don't see how he was a threat to the Washington swamp agenda. There were two issues where he differed from the Democratic and Republican Party establishment. One, staying out of other peoples' real wars, I agreed with. The second, starting Trade Wars, I disagreed with. You're forgetting his actions to reduce illegal immigration. This is actually more important than anything else. White Americans (other than fat single feminist catladies) won't vote for the democrats' anti-American, anti-white policies, but third world immigrants vote massively in favor of them. It's a simple matter of arithmetic. The reason California went from solidly Republican in the Nixon / Reagan days to solidly blue today doesn't have anything to do with the quality of arguments made by the likes of Gavin "The Joker" Newsom, but because the state went from 90% white 50 years ago to 40% white today.
If they manage to replace us like that in the whole country, it's over. Corrupt, one party rule forever, with increasing repression and persecution of white people, a la South Africa. Hell, they're already talking about giving a quarter million to every black person in California because of something that was abolished over 160 years ago. Who's going to pay for that?
As for Tucker Carlson, he is very useful in terms of showing what the democrat / globohomo establishment are trying to do to children in public schools: brainwashing them with homosexual and tranny propaganda at a very early age; attempting to persuade them that they are trannies and need to be sterilised and mutilated. He's spoken several times to the person behind the excellent LibsofTikTok twitter account, which simply reposts what liberals themselves are saying and doing. They are both doing God's work.
That's brilliant. Really brilliant! Now I understand why Donald Trump is such a selfless altruist.What is the point of your post? (Or indeed you, but we'll leave that for another time).
Are you attempting to claim that Trump became president to get richer? If so, that is quite possibly the most ignorant assertion you have ever made, which is saying a lot.
Before he ran, Trump had a hugely successful TV show and was a media darling. He had a licence to print money. When he ran, he lost the show, he lost many of his deals, and became the target of endless negative propaganda from the fake news media. In addition, his campaign was largely self-funded, at least before he became the nominee.
There is no doubt whatsoever that had Donald Trump continued on his path without getting into politics, he would be significantly wealthier than he is now. He knowingly sacrificed that wealth to help America and the American people. That is the very definition of an American hero.
If you're looking for people who got into politics to enrich themselves, try looking into how Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden and Maxine Waters got so rich on a government salary. Let me know what you find (after you get back to me about why the media, democrats and FBI went after the Gaetz nothingburger while ignoring the Epstein island guest list).
Elvis, So we're on the same page, these are the five states with the highest inequality in income,
1. New York
2. Connecticut
3. Louisiana
4. Mississippi
5. California
Puerto Rico would be number 1 and the District of Columbia would be number 3 if they were included. As you probably know, it's difficult for a Republican to pick up 7% of the vote in D.C.
The red states with higher inequality are mostly in the south, and so suffer from the legacy of Democratic Party leadership in the 1960's and earlier.
Here are the five with the lowest income inequality, all red states,
50. Utah
49. Idaho
48. Wyoming
47. South Dakota
46. AlaskaNot a coincidence that the top five are all very "diverse" while the bottom five are homogeneous, filled with heritage white Americans. It's a matter of human nature, as well as race and IQ.
You're forgetting his actions to reduce illegal immigration. This is actually more important than anything else. White Americans (other than fat single feminist catladies) won't vote for the democrats' anti-American, anti-white policies, but third world immigrants vote massively in favor of them. It's a simple matter of arithmetic. The reason California went from solidly Republican in the Nixon / Reagan days to solidly blue today doesn't have anything to do with the quality of arguments made by the likes of Gavin "The Joker" Newsom, but because the state went from 90% white 50 years ago to 40% white today.Historically, a majority of Cuban Americans and Vietnamese Americans have voted for Republicans. Most of the people coming across the southern border today are from Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua, that is, from socialist countries. They've had to put up with the economic lunacy of people like Chavez, Castro and Ortega. And they probably see some similarities between the preferred policies of those leaders and those of Bernie Sanders and other progressives. Not to mention some progressive Democrats have served as apologists for totalitarian socialists. So I suspect this current crop of immigrants may be different, more likely to vote for Republicans.
My big concern is that that there are a lot of hot Cuban and Venezuelan strippers, and it would be a shame if they were deported.
What is the point of your post? (Or indeed you, but we'll leave that for another time).Yes, please for the love of god, leave "the point of ME" for another time, I'm begging of you!
The point of my post, however, if I must spell it out for you (and it seems like I must, unfortunately) was that people who come from rich families still care about money a great deal.
In fact, my delusional friend, no one is as hungry for money as people who come from money.
Paraphrasing The Godfather, children can afford to be nave, men don't. Snap out of it.
Historically, a majority of Cuban Americans and Vietnamese Americans have voted for Republicans. Most of the people coming across the southern border today are from Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua, that is, from socialist countries. They've had to put up with the economic lunacy of people like Chavez, Castro and Ortega. And they probably see some similarities between the preferred policies of those leaders and those of Bernie Sanders and other progressives. Not to mention some progressive Democrats have served as apologists for totalitarian socialists. So I suspect this current crop of immigrants may be different, more likely to vote for Republicans.
My big concern is that that there are a lot of hot Cuban and Venezuelan strippers, and it would be a shame if they were deported.Rather than whining and playing the tired and spurious white victimization card, people like Chris need to win these immigrants over to a conservative worldview. It's done all the time. This fatalism also ignores the reality of all the lazy, low IQ, criminal white losers in our country, much of those dipshits that invaded the Capital a case in point. Many also traveled there via government handouts, Covid small business relief swindles.
You're forgetting his actions to reduce illegal immigration. This is actually more important than anything else. White Americans (other than fat single feminist catladies) won't vote for the democrats' anti-American, anti-white policies, but third world immigrants vote massively in favor of them. It's a simple matter of arithmetic. The reason California went from solidly Republican in the Nixon / Reagan days to solidly blue today doesn't have anything to do with the quality of arguments made by the likes of Gavin "The Joker" Newsom, but because the state went from 90% white 50 years ago to 40% white today.
If they manage to replace us like that in the whole country, it's over. Corrupt, one party rule forever, with increasing repression and persecution of white people, a la South Africa. Hell, they're already talking about giving a quarter million to every black person in California because of something that was abolished over 160 years ago. Who's going to pay for that?
As for Tucker Carlson, he is very useful in terms of showing what the democrat / globohomo establishment are trying to do to children in public schools: brainwashing them with homosexual and tranny propaganda at a very early age; attempting to persuade them that they are trannies and need to be sterilised and mutilated. He's spoken several times to the person behind the excellent LibsofTikTok twitter account, which simply reposts what liberals themselves are saying and doing. They are both doing God's work.Really? Trump thought Repubs from all those Red States were "disgusting", looked "very trashy", "cheap and poor", which made him look bad:
Pence's former top aide says Trump called the coronavirus 'a good thing' because he didn't like shaking hands with 'disgusting' supporters
https://www.businessinsider.com/video-aide-trump-didnt-want-to-shake-hands-disgusting-supporters-2020-9
Former White House Press Secretary Told Jan. 6 Committee That Trump Said Capitol Rioters 'Looked Very Trashy'
https://people.com/politics/former-white-house-press-secretary-told-jan-6-committee-trump-thought-rioters-looked-very-trashy/
Trump was angry at Capitol mob only because they looked cheap and poor: report
https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-was-angry-at-capitol-mob-only-because-they-looked-cheap-and-poor-report/
"Trump was apoplectic in embarrassment because the white trash mob on screen made him look bad, the report said.
P.S. Imagine criticising George Santos for calling himself "Jew-ish" when one of the leading figures of the democrat party, Senator Elizabeth "Fauxcahontas" Warren would be teaching elementary school if she hadn't pretended to be a native American to get ahead.
Or Senator "the Nang Dick" Blumenthal, who lied about having served in Vietnam: stolen valor is far more despicable than anything Santos said, but for some reason the media never bring it up. Why is that?
Or "Vice-President" Kamala Harris, who would be chasing unpaid parking tickets in Fresno if she hadn't chased down the married mayor of San Francisco Willie Brown and hit it so good he gave her multiple undeserved promotions.
Perhaps look a little closer to home next time.I didn't know that about Blumenthal.
You left out our Plagiarizer and Chief, Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.
This is the first thing that pops up when you Google "Plagiarism Joe Biden", from the University of California Santa Barbara web site, and it's a Trump campaign press release.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/campaign-press-release-copy-that-joe-bidens-long-record-plagiarism
But glancing over it, I knew I made the right decision when I voted for Jo Jorgensen for president. Biden's downright nutty, to try to get away with all that. He even made up some fiction about having ancestors who "worked the coal mines of Northeast Pennsylvania and would come up after 12 hours and play football for four hours. " He pulled that from Neil Kinnock, a British politician. Biden never even had ancestors who worked in coal mines.
Biden may be worse than Santos. And he's president of the United States of America and the leader of the free world. Santos is a nobody.
Yes, despite what the main stream media would have you believe, there's no shortage of kooks and liars among the politicians who call themselves Democrats.
This is well documented, about Biden. Our Democrat friends should Google it if they don't believe me.
Another goofy post which addressed none of the points at hand. Let's try just one: why did the democrats, media and FBI (better known as, yes, the Washington deep state) make such a fuss over the Gaetz nothingburger which came to zero, while completely ignoring the high-level media / hollywood / democrat figures on the guest list of the island of Jeffrey Epstein, an acknowledged pe-do?
Or is calling Epstein a pe-do a "conspiracy theory"?
"Alphabet agencies" is a well-known term to describe the plethora of Washington intelligence and (selective: see above) law enforcement agencies such as the FBI, CIA, NSA, DHS, etc. Glad to educate you, not for the first time..How can anybody address your "points"? They are all, except for Gaetz' family wealth, without substance. Every assertion that you made in your fact-free post was unsupported. Every assertion was only an opinion. See this writeup https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-anti-vaxxers-pounced-on-damar-hamlins-collapse "Part of the trick is to cast conspiracy theorists and people who believe them as victims of shadowy forces. The source wants to show you the proof, but can't, because his employers are in on it. The government and mainstream media "knows" the conspiracy is real, but they prevent you from finding out by punishing anyone who merely asks about it. " And that's you to a "T".
Have other people lied? Sure? Have they done it to the extent of Santos? Nope. In fact, anybody who fudged their resume as much as Santos did would have been fired in a heartbeat. In fact you (I believe) have portrayed yourself as a business owner. Maybe it wasn't you but certainly other members of the Moron Brigade have portrayed themselves as such. Would you, or any other business owner, have kept on an employee who lied about: where they went to High School, where they went to college, where they previously worked, how much property they owned, what their heritage is, that their employees died in the Pulse shootings? No, you wouldn't have. And if you say you would have, you are as full of shit as Santos. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/01/the-everything-guide-to-george-santoss-lies.html.
Your globohomo, anti-woke, anti-LGBTQ, America for white Americans only bullshit was old before you spouted it. It is your opinion and you are entitled to it. But don't expect anyone with a brain to be on your side.
You're forgetting his actions to reduce illegal immigration. This is actually more important than anything else. White Americans (other than fat single feminist catladies) won't vote for the democrats' anti-American, anti-white policies, but third world immigrants vote massively in favor of them. It's a simple matter of arithmetic. The reason California went from solidly Republican in the Nixon / Reagan days to solidly blue today doesn't have anything to do with the quality of arguments made by the likes of Gavin "The Joker" Newsom, but because the state went from 90% white 50 years ago to 40% white today.
If they manage to replace us like that in the whole country, it's over. Corrupt, one party rule forever, with increasing repression and persecution of white people, a la South Africa. Hell, they're already talking about giving a quarter million to every black person in California because of something that was abolished over 160 years ago. Who's going to pay for that?
As for Tucker Carlson, he is very useful in terms of showing what the democrat / globohomo establishment are trying to do to children in public schools: brainwashing them with homosexual and tranny propaganda at a very early age; attempting to persuade them that they are trannies and need to be sterilised and mutilated. He's spoken several times to the person behind the excellent LibsofTikTok twitter account, which simply reposts what liberals themselves are saying and doing. They are both doing God's work.California is 40% white? Not according to the US Census which puts the figure at 71.1% https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/CA.
Of course, you picked the lowest possible figure of 40% because those folks are the "white Americans" that you are always crowing about. The 71.1% figure includes the Hispanics (who think of themselves as white) that you despise so much.
Ahhhh, yes, if "they" manage to replace us? Who is "they" exactly? All of those people who are uneducated and rapists and drug dealers but are coming for your job? Are you a ditchdigger? Or a busboy? If so, then yes, immigrants might be coming for your dead-end job. Otherwise, no uneducated immigrant will become a doctor or an EE or any other job that you are sooooo worried about them taking.
As for Tucker "even his attorneys argued that nobody in their right mind should believe a word he says because he is full of shit" Carlson, the larger question is: why do you believe him? His attorneys said that nobody in their right mind should believe him. But you do. I wonder why that is.
Historically, a majority of Cuban Americans and Vietnamese Americans have voted for Republicans. Most of the people coming across the southern border today are from Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua, that is, from socialist countries. They've had to put up with the economic lunacy of people like Chavez, Castro and Ortega. And they probably see some similarities between the preferred policies of those leaders and those of Bernie Sanders and other progressives. Not to mention some progressive Democrats have served as apologists for totalitarian socialists. So I suspect this current crop of immigrants may be different, more likely to vote for Republicans.
My big concern is that that there are a lot of hot Cuban and Venezuelan strippers, and it would be a shame if they were deported.The Florida Cubans are an exception. They were among the smartest, highest IQ and most creative people in Cuba, who fled a genuine communist tyranny run by a violent, maniacal, capricious, all-powerful dictator as a personality cult, because they realized there was no way for them to maximize their talents under that regime. They also took genuine risk by coming across the ocean on rickety rafts.
The Latin Americans pouring across the Biden's open border today, by contrast, are the dregs of their societies. There is no comparison between Chavez's Venezuela, where much of the media was against Chavez and many wealthy people openly opposed him and a capitalist system still operated, and Castro's Cuba, where the entire media was in lockstep, anyone who spoke out against him disappeared, and the only serious wealth was in the hands of the dictator and his apparatchiks.
Most people in mainland Latin America are doing fine and have no wish to emigrate. The illegals are the useless, low IQ doofuses who lack the wherewithal to make anything of themselves at home, who see the vast Uncle Sam welfare teat and potential to do unskilled labor off the books for ten times what they can get in their own countries. They don't even take much risk as there are various Soros-funded NGOs supporting them on their journey.
As for the Vietnamese, again, they are a high IQ people so most of them don't need the welfare programs and racial grievance industry offered by the democrats and fake media. That said, it's still around 50/50.
The best immigration policy is the one America had for the middle half of the last century (not coincidentally, the time it was at its greatest): almost zero.
The point of my post, however, if I must spell it out for you (and it seems like I must, unfortunately) was that people who come from rich families still care about money a great deal.
And I'll ask again, as you typically avoided the question last time: do you think Donald Trump is richer now than he would have been if he had never entered politics in 2015 and had instead continued to focus on his TV show, his businesses, and his many positive media appearances?
Pence's former top aide said......Former White House Press Secretary Told Jan. 6 Committee.....the report said..... Ah, the media says that some Washington swamp creatures told them something about Trump. Must be true then.
To get back to reality, how about you have a go at why the democrats / media / alphabet agencies went so hard after the Gaetz nothingburger, yet haven't looked into the guest list on the island of Jeffrey Epstein, an acknowledged pe-do?
Why was the trial of his procurer, Ghislaine Maxwell, barely covered? Compare the intricate media reporting on every detail of, say, the Johnny Depp v Amber Heard trial with the absence of information about Maxwell. Why is the only high-profile figure who has gone down over this Prince Andrew of Great Britain? No investigations into any American guests of Epstein? Why, oh why?
Kinda like asking why leftists who spent a year violently burning, looting and attacking police and federal buildings in cities across the country, causing billions of dollars of damage and tens of deaths, are allowed to skate, while the alphabet agencies do the biggest investigation in history to track down and raid thousands of grandmas who walked through open doors into the People's House on Jan 6, took some photos and went home.
I didn't know that about Blumenthal.
You left out our Plagiarizer and Chief, Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.
This is the first thing that pops up when you Google "Plagiarism Joe Biden", from the University of California Santa Barbara web site, and it's a Trump campaign press release.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/campaign-press-release-copy-that-joe-bidens-long-record-plagiarism
But glancing over it, I knew I made the right decision when I voted for Jo Jorgensen for president. Biden's downright nutty, to try to get away with all that. He even made up some fiction about having ancestors who "worked the coal mines of Northeast Pennsylvania and would come up after 12 hours and play football for four hours. " He pulled that from Neil Kinnock, a British politician. Biden never even had ancestors who worked in coal mines.
Biden may be worse than Santos. And he's president of the United States of America and the leader of the free world. Santos is a nobody.
Yes, despite what the main stream media would have you believe, there's no shortage of kooks and liars among the politicians who call themselves Democrats.
This is well documented, about Biden. Our Democrat friends should Google it if they don't believe me.Good post.
The fact that you, clearly an intelligent and knowledgeable person, didn't even know about Blumenthal's lies and stolen valor over Vietnam is an indictment of the truly egregious bias of the mainstream fake news media.
If a right-wing figure had lied as he did, it would be brought up every time they were mentioned in the news. Children would think their name was "Vietnam Liar Senator Bla McBlaface".
In fact, the New York Times and others have acknowledged Blumenthal lied. Once. Tucked away at the bottom of page 78, and then never mentioned again.
That way, when challenged about their bias, they can claim "no, look. We reported it!" But of course it was "reported" once in an obscure manner and then forgotten, meaning that the majority of even well-informed people are probably not aware of it.
Ditto for Biden. The fake news will say that they reported Biden's lies when he spewed them. And then never mention them again. Lies of obfuscation and omission.
Of course, they are getting even worse these days, with the censorship of the Hunter Biden laptop story which would have swung the election to Trump even with the vast amount of pro-Biden mail-in fraud that allowed them to steal it.
The Hunter Biden laptop story is a perfect microcosm of the parts of the Washington deep state working in conjunction. Mainstream and social media completely blacklist the story, to the extent that Twitter and Facebook actually blocked links of it from being posted, and Youtube prevented videos about it showing up in people's feeds. Meanwhile, the so-called intelligence alphabet agencies put out a fake statement about "Russian disinformation". And finally, the democrats and establishment RINOs refuse to hold the above to account in getting to the truth.
Later, after the election, it dribbles out that in fact the laptop was entirely genuine, but hey, whatever. Look over there, goyim!
How can anybody address your blablablaMore turgid wordsludge from PVMonger. Some things never change.
Is the Hunter Biden laptop a "conspiracy theory"? Even worse, was the coverup of the Hunter Biden laptop, in which alphabet agencies made noises about "RUSSIA!" and we now know, thanks to Elon Musk, that Big Tech worked with govt operatives to prevent the information from being transmitted, all a "conspiracy theory"?
Nope. It was fact. All happened.
Our side actually wants to get information out for people to see it. That's why LibsofTikTok is so popular with normal people, yet so unhingedly hated by the left: all she does is repost leftists saying openly what they plan to do (usually with regard to sexualising and / or mutilating children, which is a troubling obsession of theirs).
The censorship, as we are seeing from the Twitter Files, all comes from the left. Why do you think it is that your side is the one that wants to silence people and restrict information?
MiamiSammy
01-10-23, 22:13
More turgid wordsludge from PVMonger. Some things never change.
Is the Hunter Biden laptop a "conspiracy theory"? Even worse, was the coverup of the Hunter Biden laptop, in which alphabet agencies made noises about "RUSSIA!" and we now know, thanks to Elon Musk, that Big Tech worked with govt operatives to prevent the information from being transmitted, all a "conspiracy theory"?
Nope. It was fact. All happened.
Our side actually wants to get information out for people to see it. That's why LibsofTikTok is so popular with normal people, yet so unhingedly hated by the left: all she does is repost leftists saying openly what they plan to do (usually with regard to sexualising and / or mutilating children, which is a troubling obsession of theirs).
The censorship, as we are seeing from the Twitter Files, all comes from the left. Why do you think it is that your side is the one that wants to silence people and restrict information?I have no love for Hunter Biden. If he's guilty of something, charge him and move on. Don't try to compare anything he's done with what Trump and his cabal have done.
I have no love for Hunter Biden. If he's guilty of something, charge him and move on. Don't try to compare anything he's done with what Trump and his cabal have done.Low information reply.
First, the point was not merely the Hunter laptop, but the manner in which the fake news media, social media, and government agencies colluded in breach of the 1st Amendment to censor and silence the true story.
Second, it isn't about Hunter. He is just a druggie doofus. It is about how he was used as a bagman by his corrupt father to enrich himself by peddling influence. Ever wonder how Biden got so rich after a life as a government employee? "Ten percent for the Big Guy"! There is literally footage of Biden as VP boasting about threatening to withhold aid to Ukraine unless they fired a prosecutor investigating Hunter's corruption. And sure enough, they fired the guy!
If Trump and his family had done anything remotely as criminally egregious as the Bidens, they would all be in prison cells now.
Unfortunately, as we have seen with the failure to prosecute the violent far-left antifa / BLM terrorists who spent a year burning cities, attacking federal buildings (including the White House with the President inside), courthouses and police and causing billions of dollars in damage, contrasted with the unhinged Washington witchhunt to round up and jail every last grandma who wandered through open doors into the Capitol on Jan 6 (with the notable exception of Ray Epps), the "Justice" Department has become grossly politicised as in a banana republic and is no longer fit for purpose.
people like Chris need to win these immigrants over to a conservative worldview. It's done all the time. It's done all the time? Really? Which immigrant group is majority conservative other than the Florida Cubans, whom I've addressed previously?
You can't convert low IQ people to a conservative worldview because they can't compete in a capitalist market. Hence they want government welfare handouts, affirmative action, racial grievance etc: the core democrat program.
Most of the illegals pouring over Biden's open border are from third world countries with an average IQ well below 90; and they are the dumbest idiots who can't get a job in those third world countries so they are below average even there. The vast majority will be no good for anything but welfare or menial labor, and the effect of millions of them will simply continue dragging America down to the third world.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country
do you think Donald Trump is richer now than he would have been if he had never entered politics in 2015 and had instead continued to focus on his TV show, his businesses, and his many positive media appearances?Well, we have his tax returns from the time he started his campaign up through his last full year in office. Here's his income or loss by year. Losses are in parentheses.
2015: (31,700,000)
2016: (32,200,000)
2017: (12,800,000)
2018: 24,400,000
2019: 4,440,000
2020: (4,690,000)
Net loss for 2015 to 2020: (52,550,000)
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/21/trump-income-tax-returns-detailed-in-new-report-.html
Most of the illegals pouring over Biden's open border are from third world countries with an average IQ well below 90; and they are the dumbest idiots who can't get a job in those third world countries so they are below average even there. The vast majority will be no good for anything but welfare or menial labor, and the effect of millions of them will simply continue dragging America down to the third world.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-countryI don't think illegal immigrants are necessarily stupid. But it seems to me that it would make a lot more sense to give priority to people with skills who will contribute the most to America, like nurses, engineers, doctors, mechanics and the like. That's what places like Canada and Australia do. They have a points system. If you get enough points, by virtue of skills, education, age, knowledge of English, etc., you get in. Instead, yes, we have too many unskilled people who enter illegally. And too many unskilled family members of immigrants who became citizens.
Please note that table dancing is a highly skilled profession. Latina strippers should be given priority. And also anyone who promises to vote for Republicans and Libertarians.
A guest worker program, that would not lead to citizenship or a right to reside permanently in the USA, might be a good idea for unskilled foreigners. Right now there are a lot of jobs here that Americans just don't want to do. Although that will change after the Biden Recession.
Well, we have his tax returns from the time he started his campaign up through his last full year in office. Here's his income or loss by year. Losses are in parentheses.
2015: (31,700,000)
2016: (32,200,000)
2017: (12,800,000)
2018: 24,400,000
2019: 4,440,000
2020: (4,690,000)
Net loss for 2015 to 2020: (52,550,000)
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/21/trump-income-tax-returns-detailed-in-new-report-.htmlAnd that one big income year of 2018 was mostly due to his sale of the last of his daddy's properties he inherited:
Tax returns show Trump made millions from fathers legacy while his own properties flopped
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tax-returns-show-trump-made-224054562.html
The entirety of his income from real estate sales in 2018 actually came from properties passed down to Mr Trump through his father, Fred Trump. The bulk of it came from one sale, the May 2018 sale of a nearly 6,000-unit housing complex in Brooklyn known as Starrett City. It netted $905m on the market, of which Mr Trump reported roughly $14.8m in profits.After he sold the last of his daddy's properties and some of his own failed properties, even as dumb as he is he knew the jig was up for him being tagged one of the worst businessmen of all time, should anyone take a gander at his tax returns.
That must have been around the time he decided to set the foundation for him leading an America-hating, Cop-killing Insurrection if he gets his ass kicked in 2020, which he did, and whip up his Big Lie about the election being stolen from him, a ploy he likely felt confident would easily con Repub hillbillies he had been "disgusted" by at his MAGA rallies into sending him large chunks of their entitlement checks.
The dude needed money. Badly.
Rather than whining and playing the tired and spurious white victimization card, people like Chris need to win these immigrants over to a conservative worldview. It's done all the time. This fatalism also ignores the reality of all the lazy, low IQ, criminal white losers in our country, much of those dipshits that invaded the Capital a case in point. Many also traveled there via government handouts, Covid small business relief swindles.Tiny's right. No other misplaced Repub policy is as idiotic as their crusade against immigration. To Cubans and Nicaraguans I can add Russians, Ukrainians, and pretty much all other post-Soviet ethnic groups, plus Vietnamese, Chinese, and many others who come to the States to escape from communist or leftist regimes. For better or worse (worse!) the majority of these people are predisposed to conservativism, since they are trying to move as far from the left as humanly possible.
Funnily, a lot of Mexicans and other Latin America immigrants are natural conservatives as well, but that probably has more to do with their Catholic values than politics.
This dumb belief that every immigrant must be a catch for the Democratic party (probably because they're poor when they get here, LOL) is truly remarkable.
Right now there are a lot of jobs here that Americans just don't want to do.It's been that way for ages and will only get worse as our entitled younger generations can't get their noses out of their smartphones long enough to flip a burger, mow a lawn, pick fruit, or install a roof on a hot day. Yes we have long needed unskilled labor from abroad and need more. Your idea about only allowing in doctors and nurses and the like is preposterous. Get out of your computer chair and typing essays here long enough to get out and have a look around and maybe you'll begin to get it. Wink.
P.S. It's equally silly to blame Biden for multi-causal economic woes that are consistent and worldwide. That notion has already been refuted here many times, but that seldom stops one from repeating the same talking points ad nauseam. That's probably the most popular logical fallacy employed in internet debates and politics generally, though in this hooker forum the entire list is employed, and daily. LOL.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-by-Repetition
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/logical-fallacies/
And I'll ask again, as you typically avoided the question last time: do you think Donald Trump is richer now than he would have been if he had never entered politics in 2015 and had instead continued to focus on his TV show, his businesses, and his many positive media appearances?Really? And just pretend that you didn't say the dumbest thing I've seen on this forum in a long time -- that people who come from money don't care about money.
First, admit that it was dumb as fuck. Then we'll address your next "concern."
More turgid wordsludge from PVMonger. Some things never change.
Is the Hunter Biden laptop a "conspiracy theory"? Even worse, was the coverup of the Hunter Biden laptop, in which alphabet agencies made noises about "RUSSIA!" and we now know, thanks to Elon Musk, that Big Tech worked with govt operatives to prevent the information from being transmitted, all a "conspiracy theory"?
Nope. It was fact. All happened.
Our side actually wants to get information out for people to see it. That's why LibsofTikTok is so popular with normal people, yet so unhingedly hated by the left: all she does is repost leftists saying openly what they plan to do (usually with regard to sexualising and / or mutilating children, which is a troubling obsession of theirs).
The censorship, as we are seeing from the Twitter Files, all comes from the left. Why do you think it is that your side is the one that wants to silence people and restrict information?Some things never change.
Like your contention that Repubs want to "get information out for people to see it" but Dems / the media / the deep state / et cetera are "preventing them from getting the information out". What utter bullshit. You obviously have no idea how many thousands of people would have to be involved in such a massive coverup. People who, by your own admission, are stupid and greedy and incapable of keeping things to themselves have somehow managed to all band together to keep that information quiet. Talk about wordsludge!
What an absolutely ludicrous thought that there is a massive coverup involved. Yet you believe it. And you have the gall to call me an idiot?
But we all know how this is going to end in two years. The Repubs in Congress will spend two years wasting money in endless angertainment investigations only to find nothing (or close to it). Their base will expect some results and when none are forthcoming (like the Durham report), Repubs will quietly slink away to try to come up with the next big conspiracy theory. And, of course, beg for re-election by saying "Hey, we only had two years to investigate. The Dems stymied us by responding to our subpoenas and answering our questions. Don't fault us for not governing, except for passing another massive tax cut for the rich. Remember that those riches will 'trickle down' to you this time. But re-elect us and we promise to govern this time."
It's been that way for ages and will only get worse as our entitled younger generations can't get their noses out of their smartphones long enough to flip a burger, mow a lawn, pick fruit, or install a roof on a hot day. Yes we have long needed unskilled labor from abroad and need more. Your idea about only allowing in doctors and nurses and the like is preposterous. Get out of your computer chair and typing essays here long enough to get out and have a look around and maybe you'll begin to get it. Wink.
P.S. It's equally silly to blame Biden for multi-causal economic woes that are consistent and worldwide. That notion has already been refuted here many times, but that seldom stops one from repeating the same talking points ad nauseam. That's probably the most popular logical fallacy employed in internet debates and politics generally, though in this hooker forum the entire list is employed, and daily. LOL.
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Argument-by-Repetition
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/logical-fallacies/You've badly mischaracterized what I believe. In fact, you've got it completely backwards. Immigration's our hold card, in the battle to remain the preeminent world power. And we should compete for the best and the brightest, instead of telling them to take a hike. There should be more citizenship path visas for skilled people. A company trying to get an H1 B visa for an Indian engineer historically has had an uphill challenge. We also should provide a lot more visas for refugees. It's a travesty that some of the people who helped us most in Afghanistan and Syria are now persecuted. And I believe many who've suffered under totalitarian regimes like Cuba's and Venezuela's are refugees.
With regard to the unskilled and those who aren't refugees, I favor a guest worker program. Meaning you can't bring your kids, you don't get citizenship, and at some point you return to your country of origin.
The system we've got now, where you've got a lot of people entering illegally and a great burden placed on border communities, is not ideal.
As to the "Biden Recession", that was a dig at Tooms, who sounds like he believes recessions don't happen when a Democrat is president.
There's a good chance we'll go into a recession next year as a result of higher interest rates, to control inflation. Despite my beliefs about the American Rescue Plan I will not ascribe most, or even the majority of the blame for the recession to Biden.
And blaming recessions on the president is downright naive. To the extent that government has any control over the economic cycle, it's mostly in the hands of the Fed. What control does the chief executive, or the central bank (Fed) for that matter, have over whether there's a pandemic? Or whether OPEC decides to jack up oil prices? The timing of a dot com boom? Or, as an explanation of recessions in European countries, and a partial explanation of the upcoming Biden recession, a Russian invasion of Ukraine? Well, not a hell of a lot.For a more detailed explanation of why Biden shouldn't own the recession see.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2775139&viewfull=1#post2775139.
As to the "wink" thing after the condescending comments, it doesn't really work. But I thank you for that anyway. I've been saying similar things to Tooms from time to time. And that's not befitting for the founder of the Free Markets Church of Tiny, who is trying to convert Democrats with a message of love and redemption. I resolve to post something today where I agree with Tooms.
Tiny's right. No other misplaced Repub policy is as idiotic as their crusade against immigration. To Cubans and Nicaraguans I can add Russians, Ukrainians, and pretty much all other post-Soviet ethnic groups, plus Vietnamese, Chinese, and many others who come to the States to escape from communist or leftist regimes. For better or worse (worse!) the majority of these people are predisposed to conservativism, since they are trying to move as far from the left as humanly possible.
Funnily, a lot of Mexicans and other Latin America immigrants are natural conservatives as well, but that probably has more to do with their Catholic values than politics.
This dumb belief that every immigrant must be a catch for the Democratic party (probably because they're poor when they get here, LOL) is truly remarkable.Good post, and I'm not saying that just because you said I'm right. Trump made a big mistake calling Mexican immigrants murderers and rapists. Stephen Miller, the mastermind of the Xenophobe branch of the Republican Party, always struck me as a slime ball.
Well, we have his tax returns from the time he started his campaign up through his last full year in office. Here's his income or loss by year. Losses are in parentheses.
2015: (31,700,000)
2016: (32,200,000)
2017: (12,800,000)
2018: 24,400,000
2019: 4,440,000
2020: (4,690,000)
Net loss for 2015 to 2020: (52,550,000)
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/21/trump-income-tax-returns-detailed-in-new-report-.htmlTrump made $430 m from The Apprentice over the 11 years (2004-15) he was involved with it, until he stepped away to run for president. That's $40 m a year right there.
It's so hilarious to see the dem douches claiming on the one hand that Trump only entered politics for money, and then when you show them he actually lost money as a result, they start shrieking about how he's a terrible businessman. The cognitive dissonance is as strong with them as ever.
I don't think illegal immigrants are necessarily stupid. But it seems to me that it would make a lot more sense to give priority to people with skills who will contribute the most to America, like engineers, doctors,Any illegal immigrant stopped at the border who is found to be a verifiable, qualified and experienced doctor or engineer and can speak English: sure, let them in. How many do you think that will be? Statistically zero.
Intelligent, qualified people don't need to leave their country, with the exception of Cuba which is a genuine communist tyranny. Qualified doctors and engineers are doing fine in their own countries.
The illegals pouring across Biden's open border are the low IQ dregs who can't make ends meet in their own third world shitholes which don't have a welfare state. So, they are heading north, supporting by Soros-funded NGOs, to get to a country which does have a welfare state, and where they can do menial labor off the books for ten times the rate they get back home.
I agree that there should be a points-based system of legal immigration, and the points required should be exceedingly high. Truly exceptional and / or wealthy people who will benefit America and the American people. We're talking in the thousands per year or less. And no chain migration. If you want to see your extended family, use Skype or book a plane ticket.
Also, you are right about guest worker programs rather than citizenship. One of the biggest weaknesses of the West is the ease with which we hand out passports like confetti. Try getting citizenship anywhere else in the world. The United Arab Emirates. Thailand. China. You can live and work there legally for 30 years but you ain't from there so you ain't getting a passport. Eminently sensible.
Funnily, a lot of Mexicans and other Latin America immigrants are natural conservatives as wellThen why do they all vote for leftist democrats? Or at least the large majority of them, which is all that matters.
Really? And just pretend that you didn't say the dumbest thing I've seen on this forum in a long time -- that people who come from money don't care about money.
I didn't say that. Find the quote or shut up.
Now, for the third time, do you think Donald Trump is richer now than he would have been if he had never entered politics in 2015 and had instead continued to focus on his TV show, his businesses, and his many positive media appearances?
your contention that Repubs want to "get information out for people to see it" but Dems / the media / the deep state / et cetera are "preventing them from getting the information out". What utter bullshit. You obviously have no idea how many thousands of people would have to be involved in such a massive coverup. Elon Musk, who bought Twitter and looked under the hood, said the other day that "every conspiracy theory that people had about Twitter turned out to be true" https://twitter.com/drelidavid/status/1607049015199424512.
A huge team of FBI agents were working with Twitter's previous management to ban, block and shadowban people and stories that didn't fit the Washington agenda, such as the true Hunter Biden laptop story.
Why do you think the media / social media / alphabet agencies sop aggressively censored and silenced the true Hunter Biden laptop story so close to the election?
Why do you think they banned so many rightwing figures from social media, but so few leftists (including antifa / BLM accounts openly calling for violence)?
Meanwhile, Musk also uncovered a shocking large amount of ch1 ld porn on Twitter, and made it his priority to remove it (much of it has now moved with the leftists to their new social media site, Mastodon). While the alphabet agencies and Twitter bosses were working overtime to censor the right politically, they turned a blind eye to this.
Yet again we see leftists targeting children, from drag queen story touching, to attempted tranny / faggot indoctrination of elementary school kids, to this. Really makes you shudder.
we should compete for the best and the brightest, instead of telling them to take a hike. There should be more citizenship path visas for skilled people. A company trying to get an H1 B visa for an Indian engineer historically has had an uphill challenge. We also should provide a lot more visas for refugees. It's a travesty that some of the people who helped us most in Afghanistan and Syria are now persecuted. And I believe many who've suffered under totalitarian regimes like Cuba's and Venezuela's are refugees.
I broadly agree, except on the definition of "the best and brightest". H1 BS are ten a penny, and are usually used by companies to replace American engineers with some Indian who will do the job worse for half the price. There have been many cases where the American was forced to train his replacement in order to receive his severance package. Sick and totally damaging to the country.
The "best and brightest" should be the top 0. 01% of geniuses and innovators who will actually bring real and significant added value to the country. Not some pajeet who knows Linux.
I agree strongly about the guestworker program. People come to work, they don't bring their families, they don't get citizenship, and when the job is gone, so are they.
Finally, with respect, Venezuela is not a totalitarian regime. There are lots of TV channels, newspapers, political organisations and parties openly and strongly critical of Chavez / Maduro.
It is incomparable with Castro's Cuba, a genuine totalitarian communist tyranny, in which the entire media and wealth of the country was controlled by the ruling family and its apparatchiks; there was little or no opportunity for anyone outside that group; and anyone who spoke up about it was disappeared to some torture gulag.
And that one big income year of 2018 was mostly due to his sale of the last of his daddy's properties he inherited:
Tax returns show Trump made millions from fathers legacy while his own properties flopped
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tax-returns-show-trump-made-224054562.html
After he sold the last of his daddy's properties and some of his own failed properties, even as dumb as he is he knew the jig was up for him being tagged one of the worst businessmen of all time, should anyone take a gander at his tax returns.
That must have been around the time he decided to set the foundation for him leading an America-hating, Cop-killing Insurrection if he gets his ass kicked in 2020, which he did, and whip up his Big Lie about the election being stolen from him, a ploy he likely felt confident would easily con Repub hillbillies he had been "disgusted" by at his MAGA rallies into sending him large chunks of their entitlement checks.
The dude needed money. Badly.If you took the taxable income or loss on all of Trump's tax returns and adjusted for inflation, I bet it wouldn't total up to a lot of money, in billionaire terms. It might be a loss. He reported $916 million of net operating losses on his 1995 tax return. Adjust for inflation and that might double.
So how did he generate those losses? By borrowing tons of money, losing it in his businesses, and then not paying it back. A lot of that $916 million loss was from casinos in Atlantic City. Trump supposedly profited from Atlantic City though through management fees and the like. He came out OK. It was his banks and bondholders who got screwed. Still, through the quirks of the tax code, Trump ended up being able to use that $916 million as a tax deduction on his future years tax returns!
In 2016 Trump actually bragged about the Atlantic City bankruptcies. He said the fact that he used bankruptcy laws to his advantage showed he was smart. They were a badge of honor, a reason to vote for him, because he understood the system. I wonder how those bondholders and bankers felt about that. And the shareholders in Trump Hotels and Casinos. And all the service companies and suppliers that Trump refused to pay or underpaid.
I think you're right, a large part of the Trump's "fortune" came from Daddy. That and the Apprentice.
And I'll ask again, as you typically avoided the question last time: do you think Donald Trump is richer now than he would have been if he had never entered politics in 2015 and had instead continued to focus on his TV show, his businesses, and his many positive media appearances?You're spot on in what you're implying. This is what Tooms' link has to say about it.
"The explanation for the losses Mr Trump suffered at properties directly tied to his name could be a result of the overall effect that his presidency had on the Trump Organization; while some properties (such as, mainly, the Trump International Hotel in DC) saw a flurry of activity from people eager to meet the president or his inner circle, others suffered a financial malaise brought on by a hesitance of some to appear at Trump-branded properties out of a desire to preserve their public images.
This phenomenon was documented by NBC News in 2017, months after Mr Trump took office. At the time, the news outlet noted a surge in financial losses at a number of Trump Organization properties such as the Trump Turnberry resort in Scotland amid the 2016 election.
The downward trend of interest in and acceptance of the Trump brand has followed the ex-president through his post-White House journey; NPR reported in the fall of last year that shops and other amenities at Trump's Fifth Avenue property have dried up as business has receded. ".
Elon Musk, who bought Twitter and looked under the hood, said the other day that "every conspiracy theory that people had about Twitter turned out to be true" https://twitter.com/drelidavid/status/1607049015199424512.
A huge team of FBI agents were working with Twitter's previous management to ban, block and shadowban people and stories that didn't fit the Washington agenda, such as the true Hunter Biden laptop story.
Why do you think the media / social media / alphabet agencies sop aggressively censored and silenced the true Hunter Biden laptop story so close to the election?
Why do you think they banned so many rightwing figures from social media, but so few leftists (including antifa / BLM accounts openly calling for violence)?
Meanwhile, Musk also uncovered a shocking large amount of ch1 ld porn on Twitter, and made it his priority to remove it (much of it has now moved with the leftists to their new social media site, Mastodon). While the alphabet agencies and Twitter bosses were working overtime to censor the right politically, they turned a blind eye to this.
Yet again we see leftists targeting children, from drag queen story touching, to attempted tranny / faggot indoctrination of elementary school kids, to this. Really makes you shudder.It's undeniable that main stream social media censored and banned the right more than the left. Now yes both sides pollute social media with bull shit. But if I worked at or owned a place like Facebook or Twitter, I wouldn't want to engage in censorship.
But do we do anything about it? I dislike government telling business owners like Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk what they can and can't do, without good reason, as much or more than censorship.
Elvis 2008
01-12-23, 17:22
It's undeniable that main stream social media censored and banned the right more than the left. Now yes both sides pollute social media with bull shit. But if I worked at or owned a place like Facebook or Twitter, I wouldn't want to engage in censorship.
But do we do anything about it? I dislike government telling business owners like Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk what they can and can't do, without good reason, as much or more than censorship.Tiny,
I was talking to someone who has been following the news like never before, and this very issue was brought up. He told me that the Republicans are going to ask for documents and if they do not get them, they are going to cut off funding to the agencies that refuse them.
One of the most ridiculous aspects of this is the CIA refusing to hand over 4000 documents associated with the JFK assassination even though Congress ordered them to do so. https://www.rawstory.com/jfk-assassination-document-cia-hiding/.
This is ridiculous and the CIA should have their funding cut off for defying Congress. For all their smug self importance, I think we would all be surprised at how little we really need the CIA. Given all the shit they have pulled, we may even be better off without them.
Elvis 2008
01-12-23, 19:05
So we saw the January 6 recommendations for Trump being prosecuted fizzle out. And Tucker Carlson was pushing that the whole of the 1-6 commission report be something that the Republican rebels push for with Kevin McCarthy. I did not understand the legal difference between riot and insurrection and it's significance until Glenn Greenwald stated that the executive branch has unlimited power to put down an insurrection, but an insurrection involves violence and death, and the only deaths were Trump supporters except for the one police officer who was bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher. You remember all that? Yeah, well if you are a "never mind" Democratic douche, it sparked outrage until it was learned that officer died of a stroke and was not killed by the "rioters."
It seemed to me if Trump was charged with a crime, he would get everything in discovery including how the fire extinguisher story was originated and why. Of course, if you are a "never mind" Democrat, it was an innocent mistake but pardon the rest of us with the bad taste of Ukrainegate and Russiagate in our mouths of not being so forgiving.
And now the Biden administration has egg all over its face with the finding of classified documents in, and this is too funny, his garage next to his Corvette. And Biden said, "My Corvette's in a locked garage, okay? So it's not like they're sitting out on the street."
OMG.
Johnathan Turley is usually pro-Trump but he said this as one difference between the cases. "There is no accusation of false statements or obstruction in this instance, both of which are being investigated in Trump's Mar-a-Lago matter."
Yeah, no shit. That is because the FBI questioned people with regards to Trump and blew off speaking with people associated with Hiliary and Biden.
But the really big difference is Trump can declassify whatever he wants and Hiliary and Biden could not.
The difference between me and the Dems is that I know how stupid most classified material is. Glenn Greenwald said 90% of the USA documents that he saw classified were for political not security purposes. We just saw the World War one recipe for invisible ink, well known by all now, declassified. Among the other critical things classified was how to get a parking pass for the FBI parking lot and apply for a leave of absence. GG got all these top secret documents from Snowden and said the vast majority of them were flat out boring.
When Trump said he wanted to release all the documents, that told me the documents were the ones making the FBI look badly probably with regards to Russiagate and Ukrainegate. And if you did not know how biased the FBI was against Trump and Republicans, the Twitter files proved it beyond a doubt.
So here we go again. The FBI is sticking its fucking nose into another election. This Biden story is leaked right before the Republicans control the House. Is this the FBI and DOJ trying to pretend they are bipartisan again? OMG. Do not cut our funding Republicans please. We can fuck over Biden too, donchaknow.
The truth is that when you take on all these documents sometimes the classified and unclassified ones get intermingled. The key is to determine whether these documents really are of importance from a security perspective, if a breech of said material has gotten into enemy hands, and if the party who did not secure the documents intended for that to happen. The navy guy who took a few pics of his work station in a sub did not share them with anyone and got a year in jail which was stupid. But the real issue is that Hiliary Clinton, Trump, and Biden have more in their brains that could be damaging to USA security than any of these few documents and it is stupid to charge any of them unless they shared damaging material with our enemies with malicious intent.
What gets me about Democratic douches is how arrogant they are. They do not one law that applies to all of us. I do not want Biden, Clinton, or Trump charged with any of this petty bullshit, but they will insist that Trump gets charged while Hiliary and Biden go free. They want one law for Republicans and a different one for Democrats. They want one for bankers who support the Democratic party and broke the law and a different one for Martha Stewart.
You remember Stewart going to jail for lying to the Feds? Or how about George Papadopoulos? Yeah, I knew I slept better with those two hoodlums in jail / sarc. These people did not go to jail because they were a threat to society. They went to jail because the FBI was in essence saying how dare you lie to bad asses like us. And did that asshole FBI agent Kevin Clinesmith go to jail for lying to the FISA court? Of course not.
When it comes to federal law, I think we all are breaking it. I guess I should say this was part of a dream, but I flew a Colombian to Mexico. She loved the trip and even said it was life changing for her.
In its original form the federal Mann act made it a felony to engage in interstate or foreign commerce transport of "any woman or girl for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose". Its primary stated intent was to address prostitution, immorality, and human trafficking, particularly where trafficking was for the purposes of prostitution.
But as so often is the case the law was expanded by the courts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caminetti_v._United_States.
The Court decided that the Mann Act applied not only to purposes of prostitution but also to other noncommercial consensual sexual liaisons. Thus, consensual extramarital sex falls within the definition of "immoral sex."
So you are now left with the absurd notion of when and where you fucked someone and your marital status. So if I fucked said woman when I was single and in Colombia, that was fine. But if I was married or fucked this woman when we were in Mexico, then I should be behind bars. Thank God that trip was just a dream.
It is the same kind of gotcha bullshit the Democratic douches have tried to get Trump from running for a candidate. The notion that maybe the Dems should try running a better candidate, maybe someone not as crooked as Hiliary or as demented as Biden is blasphemy to them. These want Trump in jail for anything and they do not give a fuck how or why that happens.
It's undeniable that main stream social media censored and banned the right more than the left. Now yes both sides pollute social media with bull shit. But if I worked at or owned a place like Facebook or Twitter, I wouldn't want to engage in censorship.
But do we do anything about it? I dislike government telling business owners like Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk what they can and can't do, without good reason, as much or more than censorship.Government tells business owners what to do all the time when it suits the woke globohomo deep state agenda. Forcing them to bake cakes glorifying homosexual sodomy, for instance, which is compelled speech.
Nobody should be compelled to say anything. However the First Amendment gives us the right to say anything in public. Social media is the new public square in American society, so the First Amendment must be enforced in order for it to be meaningful.
Anyone who does not wish to hear any particular view is able to block the speaker or the word (s) from their personal account.
That is the situation that conservatives and right-wingers want. Leftists cannot agree to that, because their ideas are so wacky and obviously retarded and disgusting (child trannies; pe-dos; open borders; handouts for illegals; anti-white agenda; lunatic feminism; BLM and antifa riots, looting and burning; 'reparations' for slavery which white people fought to end 160 years ago, etc) that they will be rejected when put up against right wing ideals on an even footing.
Hence their need to silence, censor and lie.
This can be seen by the apoplectic leftist meltdown over the Twitter account LibsofTikTok, which simply reposts what leftists are doing for the wider world to see.
Leftists should be proud and happy for their ideas, such as indoctrinating small children into homosexuality and encouraging them to mutilate themselves, to be promoted. But they know that the vast majority rightly view them as horrific, and so they demand yet more censorship.
What gets me about Democratic douches is how arrogant they are. They do not one law that applies to all of us. I do not want Biden, Clinton, or Trump charged with any of this petty bullshit, but they will insist that Trump gets charged while Hiliary and Biden go free. They want one law for Republicans and a different one for Democrats. They want one for bankers who support the Democratic party and broke the law and a different one for Martha Stewart.
You remember Stewart going to jail for lying to the Feds? Or how about George Papadopoulos? Yeah, I knew I slept better with those two hoodlums in jail / sarc. These people did not go to jail because they were a threat to society. They went to jail because the FBI was in essence saying how dare you lie to bad asses like us. And did that asshole FBI agent Kevin Clinesmith go to jail for lying to the FISA court? Of course not.
It is the same kind of gotcha bullshit the Democratic douches have tried to get Trump from running for a candidate. The notion that maybe the Dems should try running a better candidate, maybe someone not as crooked as Hiliary or as demented as Biden is blasphemy to them. These want Trump in jail for anything and they do not give a fuck how or why that happens.Absolutely right. The overt politicization of the justice system and the alphabet agencies bodes very badly for the future of America. In conjunction with the ongoing economic decline and third worldisation, I foresee serious crises including possible war and and secession in our lifetimes.
And note that yet again it is leftists trying to censor, ban and silence their opponents. Nobody on the right has seriously attempted to disqualify Crooked Hillary Clinton or Joe "10% for the Big Guy" Biden from running for office despite their obvious crimes. We simply demand free speech and free debate on unbiased platforms. Leftists can't agree to that, for obvious reasons.
Elvis nothing has "gone down" against Trump as whataboutism is never a valid defense. Both Biden and Trump will be scrutinized. That said, given the very high bar in the US, proof beyond a reasonable doubt, convictions are often very tough to secure, and all but impossible when even the slightest plausible deniability can be forwarded. And when someone has the money to bring a team of first rate lawyers, the state is all the more hesitant to bring a case as they despise the humiliations of losing. And though the wealthy and poor guy are equally guilty, the latter is the one that is much more often charged and goes to jail. They cut a deal as they can't afford a vigorous and highly competent defense.
At the end of the day, the juries on the Trumps, Matt Gaetzes, Marjorie Taylor Greenes, Kari Lakes and the like are the voting public, and at the moment, it's not looking so hot for this phony, "America First" far right populism. Those who oppose it are entitled to a bit of celebration, though this menace is still hanging around and the fight continues.
P.S. Brevity is king, and a sign of an educated person. Most skip giant essays or just scan over them. Make it concise, to the point, and you'll increase your audience, just a recommendation, and Happy New Year.
ChuchoLoco
01-13-23, 02:10
It's undeniable that main stream social media censored and banned the right more than the left. Now yes both sides pollute social media with bull shit. But if I worked at or owned a place like Facebook or Twitter, I wouldn't want to engage in censorship.
But do we do anything about it? I dislike government telling business owners like Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk what they can and can't do, without good reason, as much or more than censorship.Not into censorship but the government should have some rules such as collecting and selling personal info and browsing habits and purchases etc. Let everyone say what they want short of calling for harm to others but don't follow me around.
Government tells business owners what to do all the time when it suits the woke globohomo deep state agenda. Forcing them to bake cakes glorifying homosexual sodomy, for instance, which is compelled speech.
Nobody should be compelled to say anything. However the First Amendment gives us the right to say anything in public. Social media is the new public square in American society, so the First Amendment must be enforced in order for it to be meaningful.
Anyone who does not wish to hear any particular view is able to block the speaker or the word (s) from their personal account.
That is the situation that conservatives and right-wingers want. Leftists cannot agree to that, because their ideas are so wacky and obviously retarded and disgusting (child trannies; pe-dos; open borders; handouts for illegals; anti-white agenda; lunatic feminism; BLM and antifa riots, looting and burning; 'reparations' for slavery which white people fought to end 160 years ago, etc) that they will be rejected when put up against right wing ideals on an even footing..Sure, nobody can stop you from blurting out anything you want in public.
But the First Amendment does not protect you from civil or criminal liabilities for doing so under several conditions:
https://www.freedomforuminstitute.org/about/faq/which-types-of-speech-are-not-protected-by-the-first-amendment/
Although different scholars view unprotected speech in different ways, there are basically nine categories:
Obscenity
Fighting words
Defamation (including libel and slander)
Child pornography
Perjury
Blackmail
Incitement to imminent lawless action
True threats
Solicitations to commit crimeshttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions
And, of course, privately owned media and forums can edit or censor anything they don't want to be heard or appear on their service. So in those cases your idea of social media being the new "public square" is just made up and not true.
After allowing Trump to proudly admit personally committing a crime, stall, delay, lie and dodge repeated requests to return the documents he personally directed his staff to steal, lie some more, dodge, ignore and refuse to respond to the inevitable subpoenas, etc etc etc for months before he finally decided to assign a special council to the case, Garland has applied no such overly generous leeway to Biden, against whom none of the above crimes and obstruction of justice conditions exist.
So much for equal treatment under the law.
Garland appoints special counsel to review Biden documents
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/12/special-counsel-biden-classified-documents-00077734
Then again, Trump had to delay, delay and delay handing over his admittedly stolen Top Secret Classified Documents until Putin, Kim and Xi returned them to him first.
Sure, nobody can stop you from blurting out anything you want in public.
But the First Amendment does not protect you from civil or criminal liabilities for doing so under several conditions:
https://www.freedomforuminstitute.org/about/faq/which-types-of-speech-are-not-protected-by-the-first-amendment/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions
And, of course, privately owned media and forums can edit or censor anything they don't want to be heard or appear on their service. So in those cases your idea of social media being the new "public square" is just made up and not true.What you say is very true. But Chrissie won't believe any of it because rightwingnut media tells him not to. But that's what Repubs do 'cause everything is a conspiracy.
MarquisdeSade1
01-14-23, 06:10
What you say is very true. But Chrissie won't believe any of it because rightwingnut media tells him not to. But that's what Repubs do 'cause everything is a conspiracy.https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/13/mccarthy-to-reporters-you-wouldnt-have-democrat-eric-swalwell-on-any-committees-if-you-received-fbi-briefing-i-did/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/10/marjorie-taylor-greene-impeach-joe-biden-for-mishandling-classified-documents-vice-presidents-cannot-declassify-docs/
MarquisdeSade1
01-14-23, 06:14
Sure, nobody can stop you from blurting out anything you want in public.
But the First Amendment does not protect you from civil or criminal liabilities for doing so under several conditions:
https://www.freedomforuminstitute.org/about/faq/which-types-of-speech-are-not-protected-by-the-first-amendment/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions
And, of course, privately owned media and forums can edit or censor anything they don't want to be heard or appear on their service. So in those cases your idea of social media being the new "public square" is just made up and not true.And, of course, privately owned media and forums can edit or censor anything they don't want to be heard or appear on their service.
When they are doing at the behest of the govt then it is illegal, IE.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/04/schiff-asked-twitter-to-censor-journalist-paul-sperry-who-revealed-whistleblower/
Elvis 2008
01-14-23, 16:02
As of this writing, the reason Hamlin's heart stopped remains unknownone possibility raised by cardiologists is an arrhythmia caused by blunt impact to the chestbut that didn't stop conspiracy theorists from baselessly claiming it was a COVID-19 vaccine.Nope. Commotio cardis would cause instant cardiac arrest. Hamlin was hit, got up, and then had one arrest and subsequently had another. Commotio cardis has been seen in baseball when someone has been hit in the chest by a ball but never in football.
Peak age for cardiac damage from Covid vaccine is 18 to 24. Hamlin was 24.
https://scholars.lib.ntu.edu.tw/handle/123456789/627235
Among 7934 eligible students, 4928 (62.1%) were included in the study. The male / female ratio was 4576/352. In total, 763 students (17.1%) had at least one cardiac symptom after the second vaccine dose, mostly chest pain and palpitations. Cardiac symptoms are common after the second dose of BNT162 b2 vaccine, but the incidences of significant arrhythmias and myocarditis are only 0. 1%.
Parents are not listening to the CDC when it comes to children: Vaccination rate is 61.5% of 12- to 17-year-olds and 32.4% of children ages 5-11,5% of children ages 2-4 and 3.2% of children under 2. Gee, I wonder why.
At the end of the day, parents talk to other parents and when you have at least one in 5 have symptoms to the vaccine, remember these were just heart symptoms, they are going to say "hell no" to getting their kids vaccinated, and that is what is being seen.
It does not matter if it is a Republican, Democrat vaxxer or antivaxxer, parents are saying no when it comes to vaccinating their kids.
So, oh yeah, those vaccines are totally safe and effective.
Not into censorship but the government should have some rules such as collecting and selling personal info and browsing habits and purchases etc. Let everyone say what they want short of calling for harm to others but don't follow me around.I agree. Well said.
Sure, nobody can stop you from blurting out anything you want in public.
But the First Amendment does not protect you from civil or criminal liabilities for doing so under several conditions:
https://www.freedomforuminstitute.org/about/faq/which-types-of-speech-are-not-protected-by-the-first-amendment/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions
And, of course, privately owned media and forums can edit or censor anything they don't want to be heard or appear on their service. So in those cases your idea of social media being the new "public square" is just made up and not true.Technically you're right, except for the part about “the new public square.” I believe Chis' bigger point, which I agree with, is that the left aggressively censors the view of people on the right. And people on the left largely control the main stream media, including main stream social media, and college campuses and the like.
And, of course, privately owned media and forums can edit or censor anything they don't want to be heard or appear on their service. So in those cases your idea of social media being the new "public square" is just made up and not true.Wrong. Look up Marsh v Alabama.
That was a Supreme Court case in which First Amendment rights on private property were enshrined. A person went to a town which was entirely owned by a private company and began handing out flyers. The company sent its security to forcibly remove the individual from this "private forum", and the Supreme Court ruled against them.
Summary from wiki: The state had attempted to analogize the town's rights to the rights of homeowners to regulate the conduct of guests in their home. The Court rejected that contention by noting that ownership "does not always mean absolute dominion". The court pointed out that the more an owner opens his property up to the public in general, the more his rights are circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who are invited in.
Twitter completely open their property up to the public in general. They are the public square to an even greater extent than the company town, because Twitter actively advertises for people to use their forum. As such, the pro-First Amendment, pro-free speech decision clearly applies to Twitter and other social media.
Beyond this, the real question you leftists should be asking is why you feel the need to ban, silence and censor opposing political speech at all?
Nope. Commotio cardis would cause instant cardiac arrest. Hamlin was hit, got up, and then had one arrest and subsequently had another. Commotio cardis has been seen in baseball when someone has been hit in the chest by a ball but never in football.
Peak age for cardiac damage from Covid vaccine is 18 to 24. Hamlin was 24.
https://scholars.lib.ntu.edu.tw/handle/123456789/627235
Among 7934 eligible students, 4928 (62.1%) were included in the study. The male / female ratio was 4576/352. In total, 763 students (17.1%) had at least one cardiac symptom after the second vaccine dose, mostly chest pain and palpitations. Cardiac symptoms are common after the second dose of BNT162 b2 vaccine, but the incidences of significant arrhythmias and myocarditis are only 0. 1%.
Parents are not listening to the CDC when it comes to children: Vaccination rate is 61.5% of 12- to 17-year-olds and 32.4% of children ages 5-11,5% of children ages 2-4 and 3.2% of children under 2. Gee, I wonder why.
At the end of the day, parents talk to other parents and when you have at least one in 5 have symptoms to the vaccine, remember these were just heart symptoms, they are going to say "hell no" to getting their kids vaccinated, and that is what is being seen.
It does not matter if it is a Republican, Democrat vaxxer or antivaxxer, parents are saying no when it comes to vaccinating their kids.
So, oh yeah, those vaccines are totally safe and effective.Excellent post.
The wacko antifa left and their wild-eyed, reality-denying acolytes attempting to defend Big Pharma. It would be hilarious if they weren't so inexplicably powerful. Like an angry, retarded 300 pound clown holding a knife.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/13/mccarthy-to-reporters-you-wouldnt-have-democrat-eric-swalwell-on-any-committees-if-you-received-fbi-briefing-i-did/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/10/marjorie-taylor-greene-impeach-joe-biden-for-mishandling-classified-documents-vice-presidents-cannot-declassify-docs/Quite right. Under a free and fair justice system, all govt actors who interfered with free speech, be they permanent bureaucracy deep state members or elected democrats, would be removed from office and indicted.
MarquisdeSade1
01-15-23, 02:44
Wrong. Look up Marsh v Alabama.
That was a Supreme Court case in which First Amendment rights on private property were enshrined. A person went to a town which was entirely owned by a private company and began handing out flyers. The company sent its security to forcibly remove the individual from this "private forum", and the Supreme Court ruled against them.
Summary from wiki: The state had attempted to analogize the town's rights to the rights of homeowners to regulate the conduct of guests in their home. The Court rejected that contention by noting that ownership "does not always mean absolute dominion". The court pointed out that the more an owner opens his property up to the public in general, the more his rights are circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who are invited in.
Twitter completely open their property up to the public in general. They are the public square to an even greater extent than the company town, because Twitter actively advertises for people to use their forum. As such, the pro-First Amendment, pro-free speech decision clearly applies to Twitter and other social media.
Beyond this, the real question you leftists should be asking is why you feel the need to ban, silence and censor opposing political speech at all?My previous post stating "yes but" was in error I meant to type even if if that was true and it isn't!!
There really should be ISG rules against typing whilst intoxicated or tired lololol.
Strike that I'm guessing there would be much less posting.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/google-argues-supreme-court-case-could-upend-the-internet-11673557206
Say your prayers, I suspect google won't like the upcoming decisions on 230.
I wonder if these cases could affect ISG?
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Technically you're right, except for the part about the new public square. I believe Chis' bigger point, which I agree with, is that the left aggressively censors the view of people on the right. And people on the left largely control the main stream media, including main stream social media, and college campuses and the like.Does it ever happen that the stuff the Right is compelled to spout in public is dangerous, incites riots, gets cops and civilians killed, targets elected officials for violence, is directed toward influencing the people who tend to have most of the guns, the data showing they also tend to be behind the most violent acts of domestic terrorism, etc etc etc. ?
I mean, perhaps a tad more than what "libs" say to "libs" on such forums?
BTW, the classic "public square" concept is about civil discourse, even following rules of order and debate, each side taking its turn at the podium, all points of view heard without being threatened or shouted down.
Modern social media would be more like a gladiator arena with no restrictions on methods of battle without the owners of that media reigning it in.
MarquisdeSade1
01-15-23, 03:50
Hey, how wrong you are! It is more than likely quite the opposite. I think, it is the newly minted QAnon/Repubs/MAGA tribe, that have a persistent sense of inadequacy and a debilitating inferiority complex, which compels them to feel a constant need to exert "their power" over others.
And a moral code that often manifests itself, as hate, violence and cruelty, towards others that don't share their MAGA ideology.
On the other hand, as an aside, I'm enjoying the inadequate, incompetent and dysfunctional spectacle that is the QAnon/Repub House Caucus. So not all is lost, the QAnon/Repubs can be quite entertaining.
So popcorn, pizza, wine, beer and a buck of chicken at the ready...it is turning out to be, a "blockbuster" show, one we haven't seen in over a hundred years. (...kkkk!) Enjoy the Show!https://amgreatness.com/2023/01/12/the-winners-and-losers-of-the-speaker-battle/
Wrong. Look up Marsh v Alabama.
That was a Supreme Court case in which First Amendment rights on private property were enshrined. A person went to a town which was entirely owned by a private company and began handing out flyers. The company sent its security to forcibly remove the individual from this "private forum", and the Supreme Court ruled against them.
Summary from wiki: The state had attempted to analogize the town's rights to the rights of homeowners to regulate the conduct of guests in their home. The Court rejected that contention by noting that ownership "does not always mean absolute dominion". The court pointed out that the more an owner opens his property up to the public in general, the more his rights are circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who are invited in.
Twitter completely open their property up to the public in general. They are the public square to an even greater extent than the company town, because Twitter actively advertises for people to use their forum. As such, the pro-First Amendment, pro-free speech decision clearly applies to Twitter and other social media.
Beyond this, the real question you leftists should be asking is why you feel the need to ban, silence and censor opposing political speech at all?"those who are invited in. ".
I'm not going to look up the anti-trespassing laws that probably pertain to that company-owned town. Do I even need to?
Did the SCOTUS also rule that private property owners also had to open their doors to all comers, anyone and everyone who comes a'knockin', no discretion permitted? If so, it's hard to believe your side isn't more livid about that than the sad fact that you aren't welcome to openly incite and organize an America-hating, cop-killing Insurrection on Twitter and Facebook.
The owner of Twitter can say "Buh-Bye" to anyone who doesn't abide by its owner's rules.
Highly illuminating presentation on the current events in Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGBAKRzoJ1o
This is not a war proxy war between Russia and USA. Instead it is proxy economic war between China and USA. The USA is desperately trying to cling on to its hegemonic rule in the world economic order. Yet is simply follows in the historic footsteps of the UK and its fall from grace.
It discusses the new emerging economic blocks, the new super powers, how new financial institutions and tools will emerge to take over the financial management of the world to replace those that the USA has discredited and devalued by usurping to its own ends.
If you are one of those people that thinks this is anti-USA, un-American, USA-hating you must ask yourself what these things mean. Is it anti-USA to express freedom of speech, to encourage discussion about the real issues that are being obfuscated by a corrupt press system, that are hurting its people (whether you believe it or not), or is it anti-USA to take political actions and economic decisions that bring about the destruction of the status of the USA, that impoverishes the majority of its people, that force the rest of the world to lose trust and turn its back upon the nation? Prof Richard Wolff is a USA great hero and servant.
Elvis 2008
01-15-23, 17:56
Highly illuminating presentation on the current events in Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGBAKRzoJ1o
This is not a war proxy war between Russia and USA. Instead it is proxy economic war between China and USA. The USA is desperately trying to cling on to its hegemonic rule in the world economic order. Yet is simply follows in the historic footsteps of the UK and its fall from grace.
It discusses the new emerging economic blocks, the new super powers, how new financial institutions and tools will emerge to take over the financial management of the world to replace those that the USA has discredited and devalued by usurping to its own ends.TK, this is just some blowhard talking down the USA and making no sense whatsoever. Neither China nor the West wanted this war as it meant higher energy and food prices, and in China's case, and this cannot be emphasized enough, loss of fertilizer. This loss of fertilizer may result in world and possibly Chinese famine. This war really came down to two people Biden but mostly Putin.
Jimmy Dore does a much better job than this guy taking on America's problems: open border to allow illegals to compete with American workers destroying the middle class, lack of vote on universal health care / public option, the latest ridiculous round of money printing driving home prices sky high, and money in politics.
At this point, it is dollars not voters who decide elections. The money thrown at Biden by China was far more important than the documents in his possession. In fact, American politics has been dominated by representing the moneyed interests so much so that the Dems moral compass has been taken over by China. Censorship? Sure, China does it.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/13/mccarthy-to-reporters-you-wouldnt-have-democrat-eric-swalwell-on-any-committees-if-you-received-fbi-briefing-i-did/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/10/marjorie-taylor-greene-impeach-joe-biden-for-mishandling-classified-documents-vice-presidents-cannot-declassify-docs/This is a perfect "self-own". In order to refute my statement that Repubs only believe rightwingnut sources, you post RIGHTWINGNUT SOURCES.
Government tells business owners what to do all the time when it suits the woke globohomo deep state agenda. Forcing them to bake cakes glorifying homosexual sodomy, for instance, which is compelled speech.
Nobody should be compelled to say anything. However the First Amendment gives us the right to say anything in public. Social media is the new public square in American society, so the First Amendment must be enforced in order for it to be meaningful.
Anyone who does not wish to hear any particular view is able to block the speaker or the word (s) from their personal account.
That is the situation that conservatives and right-wingers want. Leftists cannot agree to that, because their ideas are so wacky and obviously retarded and disgusting (child trannies; pe-dos; open borders; handouts for illegals; anti-white agenda; lunatic feminism; BLM and antifa riots, looting and burning; 'reparations' for slavery which white people fought to end 160 years ago, etc) that they will be rejected when put up against right wing ideals on an even footing.
Hence their need to silence, censor and lie.
This can be seen by the apoplectic leftist meltdown over the Twitter account LibsofTikTok, which simply reposts what leftists are doing for the wider world to see.
Leftists should be proud and happy for their ideas, such as indoctrinating small children into homosexuality and encouraging them to mutilate themselves, to be promoted. But they know that the vast majority rightly view them as horrific, and so they demand yet more censorship.Here's what Repubs believe. You can't make me do something (make a website) because it offends my religion, but I can force you to do something (have a baby) because my religion says you have to.
MarquisdeSade1
01-15-23, 23:12
"those who are invited in. ".
I'm not going to look up the anti-trespassing laws that probably pertain to that company-owned town. Do I even need to?
Did the SCOTUS also rule that private property owners also had to open their doors to all comers, anyone and everyone who comes a'knockin', no discretion permitted? If so, it's hard to believe your side isn't more livid about that than the sad fact that you aren't welcome to openly incite and organize an America-hating, cop-killing Insurrection on Twitter and Facebook.
The owner of Twitter can say "Buh-Bye" to anyone who doesn't abide by its owner's rules.Did the SCOTUS also rule that private property owners also had to open their doors to all comers, anyone and everyone who comes a'knockin', no discretion permitted?
What about the criminal invasion Jagoff Joe has orchestrated for the oligarchs as payback for helping him rig 2020's election??
MarquisdeSade1
01-15-23, 23:15
https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2023/01/15/ymca-staff-shamed-teen-girl-upset-by-seeing-trans-womans-penis-womens-locker-room/
Hes trying to turn the whole USA into larger version of Sukumvit full of trannies.
In a YMCA in San Diego no less.
MarquisdeSade1
01-15-23, 23:43
TK, this is just some blowhard talking down the USA and making no sense whatsoever. Neither China nor the West wanted this war as it meant higher energy and food prices, and in China's case, and this cannot be emphasized enough, loss of fertilizer. This loss of fertilizer may result in world and possibly Chinese famine. This war really came down to two people Biden but mostly Putin.
Jimmy Dore does a much better job than this guy taking on America's problems: open border to allow illegals to compete with American workers destroying the middle class, lack of vote on universal health care / public option, the latest ridiculous round of money printing driving home prices sky high, and money in politics.
At this point, it is dollars not voters who decide elections. The money thrown at Biden by China was far more important than the documents in his possession. In fact, American politics has been dominated by representing the moneyed interests so much so that the Dems moral compass has been taken over by China. Censorship? Sure, China does it.https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/01/13/schumer-gop-ccp-committee-fbi-probe-dont-help-people/
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/12/09/carlson-rep-swalwell-remains-on-house-intelligence-committee-despite-alleged-relationship-with-chinese-spy/
MarquisdeSade1
01-16-23, 02:16
This is a perfect "self-own". In order to refute my statement that Repubs only believe rightwingnut sources, you post RIGHTWINGNUT SOURCES.Not a chance but keep dreaming, the average American voter agrees with the political perspective of Breitbart.
(born and raised in USA, Christian heteros that speak English as a native language).
Not some shit for brains media outlet like the anti American MSNBC I'm guessing you jerk off to 24/7.
Finally some sense on masks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APGVQZdwBQc
I was saying right at the start that all the best evidence was that masks do not work. I got shat on every time I opened my mouth. Fiinally some legitimate support, the official consenus is shifting. Another sign that we live in an unthinking time where our lives are contolled by authoritarian lies.
Everyone needs to wake up and understand that we are being lied to, that our rulers do NOT have our best interests at heart. The evidence is there. You just need to open your eyes. Don't be scared of the truth, be scared of our leaders. Get angry!!!
TK, this is just some blowhard talking down the USA and making no sense whatsoever.
Jimmy Dore does a much better job than this guy
At this point, it is dollars not voters who decide elections. I can accept all that you wrote as your POV. But I take exception to the first comment. Why do you think this guy makes no sense whatsoever?
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What about the criminal invasion Jagoff Joe has orchestrated for the oligarchs as payback for helping him rig 2020's election??Will it really matter after he orders his 87,000 armed IRS terrorists to kick down your door to confiscate your gas oven, perform a sex change operation on you and force you to learn a whole bunch of new pronouns?
MarquisdeSade1
01-16-23, 07:51
This is a perfect "self-own". In order to refute my statement that Repubs only believe rightwingnut sources, you post RIGHTWINGNUT SOURCES.The mod here does plenty to manipulate the Overton window here.
We certainly don't need you trying to weasel in on it too, ID say nice try, but it really wasnt.
I only wish we could post what we really wanted to express.
How valuable is any dialogue with tons of unseen / unwritten rules?
Finally some sense on masks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APGVQZdwBQc
I was saying right at the start that all the best evidence was that masks do not work. I got shat on every time I opened my mouth. Fiinally some legitimate support, the official consenus is shifting. Another sign that we live in an unthinking time where our lives are contolled by authoritarian lies.
Everyone needs to wake up and understand that we are being lied to, that our rulers do NOT have our best interests at heart. The evidence is there. You just need to open your eyes. Don't be scared of the truth, be scared of our leaders. Get angry!!!Did you really watch the entire video to the end?
Neither of the infectious disease scientists and doctors nor the host of your video come to the conclusion about masks that you have been "saying right at the start".
Far from it.
Does it ever happen that the stuff the Right is compelled to spout in public is dangerous, incites riots, gets cops and civilians killedImagine a leftist saying the above, when no less than "Vice President" Kamala Harris applauded the BLM / antifa rioters and looters during their rampages across America which cost billions in damages and tens of lives, telling them to keep going.
Leading leftists in politics and media actually started funds to bail their pet rioters out of jail, so they could go and attack more federal courthouses and burn more cities.
When leftist antifa rioters attacked the White House when the President was inside, the media mocked him because the Secret Service moved him to a secure bunker in the basement because of the threat.
When rightwing protesters walked through open doors into the Congress, the media had a meltdown about "insurrection", and the democrats, RINOs and deep state tried to do Soviet-style purges.
You can't have a sustainable country held together by such brazen lies and hypocrisy. The sooner we split, the better.
"those who are invited in. ".
I'm not going to look up the anti-trespassing laws that probably pertain to that company-owned town. Do I even need to?
Did the SCOTUS also rule that private property owners also had to open their doors to all comers, anyone and everyone who comes a'knockin', no discretion permitted? If so, it's hard to believe your side isn't more livid about that than the sad fact that you aren't welcome to openly incite and organize an America-hating, cop-killing Insurrection on Twitter and Facebook.
The owner of Twitter can say "Buh-Bye" to anyone who doesn't abide by its owner's rules.You clearly didn't read the post. Or perhaps you read it but didn't understand it.
The Supreme Court literally dismissed your exact argument about "it's like being forced to let people into my house."
"The state had attempted to analogize the town's rights to the rights of homeowners to regulate the conduct of guests in their home. The Court rejected that contention by noting that ownership "does not always mean absolute dominion." The court pointed out that the more an owner opens his property up to the public in general, the more his rights are circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who are invited in."
The anti-trespassing statute could not be used to prevent the exercise of First Amendment rights in the privately-owned town.
There are already laws against the direct, credible incitement to immediate violence. But that's not even what this is about. It is about political discourse; namely, denying people who oppose the leftist globohomo agenda their First Amendment rights in the public square.
Anyway, if you believe private businesses should be able to deny service to anyone who doesn't abide by their owners' arbitrary rules, why can't a private baker deny business to someone who doesn't abide by his rules of not promoting homosexual sodomy?
Of course, as we all know, it is hypocritical bullshit designed to further the leftist agenda. When it suits them to intervene against private business, IE by destroying a Christian baker, they do so gleefully; when it suits them to leave alone or indeed collude with private business, IE censorship under the previous owners of Twitter, they do so. There is no consistency other than what will best destroy America.
Here's what Repubs believe. You can't make me do something (make a website) because it offends my religion, but I can force you to do something (have a baby) because my religion says you have to.Here's what the dem doofuses believe. You can't express your opinion in the public square because it offends my religion (wokery), but I can force you to do something (bake a fag cake) because my religion (wokery) says you have to.
TK, this is just some blowhard talking down the USA and making no sense whatsoever. Neither China nor the West wanted this war as it meant higher energy and food prices, and in China's case, and this cannot be emphasized enough, loss of fertilizer. This loss of fertilizer may result in world and possibly Chinese famine. This war really came down to two people Biden but mostly Putin.
Jimmy Dore does a much better job than this guy taking on America's problems: open border to allow illegals to compete with American workers destroying the middle class, lack of vote on universal health care / public option, the latest ridiculous round of money printing driving home prices sky high, and money in politics.
At this point, it is dollars not voters who decide elections. The money thrown at Biden by China was far more important than the documents in his possession. In fact, American politics has been dominated by representing the moneyed interests so much so that the Dems moral compass has been taken over by China. Censorship? Sure, China does it.Elvis, I agree with most of what you write but not you assertion that the West didn't want this war.
Washington certainly did want this war, and has been pushing for it since the CIA organized the Ukraine coup in 2014.
Since then, the Kiev regime has been increasingly abusing the Russians who live in East Ukraine. Washington has been using the country for all kinds of black ops from money laundering to chemical weapons development (and most likely pe-do procurement). The CIA-installed regime then announced that they were going to apply for NATO membership. This would allow the US to have bases on Russia's border within striking distance of Moscow.
This is analogous to the Cuban Missile Crisis. Just as there was no way the US would allow Russian missiles a few miles from its shores in Cuba, there is no way Russia could allow US missiles on its border in Ukraine.
There was no need for any of this. The entire war could have been prevented by, first, the CIA not organizing the coup; but even after that, by a simple acceptance that Ukraine would not join NATO. Unfortunately, Washington had to keep pushing and pushing, and ultimately they got a reaction from Russia.
However, it is not going Washington's way. They thought they could economically collapse Russia, but it turns out the rest of the world is sick of Washington's violent globohomo bullshit and they have sided with Russia, to the extent that the ruble has actually increased in value as increased Russian exports to Asia have offset western sanctions.
It saddens me to say it, but we would be better off if the world was run by China instead of America.
The Chinese just want to do business. The Americans want to cut your son's dick off and have daily buttsex parades, put crazed man-hating feminists in charge of your country, force you to recognize Israel, and threaten to bomb the shit out of you if you don't comply.
No wonder most of the world is pivoting to China and Russia and away from America.
Not a chance but keep dreaming, the average American voter agrees with the political perspective of Breitbart.
(born and raised in USA, Christian heteros that speak English as a native language).
Not some shit for brains media outlet like the anti American MSNBC I'm guessing you jerk off to 24/7.... "the average American voter agrees with the political perspective of Breitbart." If you had said that the average rightwing voter agrees with Breitbart's opinion, I'd agree with you.
The "average" American voter is relatively in the "center". In other words, they range from slightly left to slightly right. Evidently you forgot that Breitbart's former leader was Steve Bannon, one of Donnie the Dumbass' most ardent supporters and one of the idiots who urged the attack on the Capitol. https://www.npr.org/2017/03/14/520087884/researchers-examine-breitbart-s-influence-on-misleading-information and https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/07/broad-agreement-in-u-s-even-among-partisans-on-which-news-outlets-are-part-of-the-mainstream-media/.
And, BTW, I am one of the "average American voters" of whom you speak. I am white, Christian, heterosexual and English is my first language. I am not a typical supporter of Donnie the Dumbass who are misogynistic and xenophopic and racist dummies with maybe a high-school education.
Will it really matter after he orders his 87,000 armed IRS terrorists to kick down your door to confiscate your gas oven, perform a sex change operation on you and force you to learn a whole bunch of new pronouns?Those are legitimate concerns.
The IRS has made life hell for some Americans.
Democratic politician Richard Trumka did say his agency, the Consumer Product Safety Commission, may ban gas stoves. A number of cities controlled by Democratic politicians have passed bans on gas hookups and / or gas appliances, particularly in new buildings and houses. They include New York City, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Washington D. C. Democratic politicians have also prevented construction of natural gas pipelines. This has resulted in increased carbon emissions over what they would be otherwise, as natural gas when burned emits less carbon per BTU than coal or fuel oil. It also results in higher heating bills, especially this year when fuel oil prices are sky high.
But true, Democratic politicians will not be forcing sex change operations and new pronouns on people.
This is a perfect "self-own". In order to refute my statement that Repubs only believe rightwingnut sources, you post RIGHTWINGNUT SOURCES.I don't read Breitbart but I do listen to MSNBC. And compared to some of what I see there, the Marquis' recent links are downright reasonable. Maybe Swalwell shouldn't be on intelligence committees considering he was in a relationship with a Chinese spy. Having pre-op transvestites in the ladies showers at the YMCA doesn't sound like a good idea to me. And Schumer, like other politicians, does indeed pillory the opposition. Actually I wouldn't have thought that Breitbart would publish the Schumer article. It's unreasonably anti-Republican and pro-Democrat.
Did you really watch the entire video to the end?
Neither of the infectious disease scientists and doctors nor the host of your video come to the conclusion about masks that you have been "saying right at the start".
Far from it.Every time I hear about how masks are ineffective, I think of the "peeing" meme. I wasn't able to attach it but everybody with a brain can find it on the internet.
Finally some sense on masks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APGVQZdwBQc
I was saying right at the start that all the best evidence was that masks do not work. I got shat on every time I opened my mouth. Fiinally some legitimate support, the official consenus is shifting. Another sign that we live in an unthinking time where our lives are contolled by authoritarian lies.
Everyone needs to wake up and understand that we are being lied to, that our rulers do NOT have our best interests at heart. The evidence is there. You just need to open your eyes. Don't be scared of the truth, be scared of our leaders. Get angry!!!They do have good arguments against mask mandates, especially for children. However, one of the infectious disease experts said all her colleagues wear masks to some meetings. And another said masks give people a feeling of invulnerability so that they don't get vaccinated, stay home when sick, and install better air filtration systems. She believes those steps are more effective in preventing the spread of disease than masks.
I looked at several papers back in 2020 on masks and coronaviruses. In a medical setting, the data shows they prevent their spread. As the experts rightly said in the video, the data's not conclusive as to masks preventing the spread of influenza though.
I was the only person I saw wearing a mask at two indoor venues this weekend. There were several hundred people in one and several thousand in another. It's a KN95 mask and I wear it correctly, snugly against my face. Since COVID started, I've only had one common cold, nothing else. I used to have two or three colds a year. I have however gotten flu and COVID vaccines, and three COVID boosters, so I have protection from those against influenza and the coronavirus.
Elvis 2008
01-16-23, 18:51
I can accept all that you wrote as your POV. But I take exception to the first comment. Why do you think this guy makes no sense whatsoever?Because he is not looking at the Chinese-US relationship right. They produced goods at a lower cost and that is why we consumed them for example. Once China no longer does that, then it is on to the next country which Mexico already is. Then there is the notion of Europe choosing between the US and China. China produces lower end goods. The US goes to the higher end.
The battles fought over who is #1 used to be over resources, and there are some items of scarcity like lithium but most of the previous wars were fought over oil and energy, and the US has plenty of that now. That is an old way of looking at the world. Yeah, Russia going down and being dumb hurt the world economy. If China goes down, the US is in a depression. It is a different dynamic than traditional rivalries. Say what you want but IMO the Chinese US relationship has benefitted and made both countries richer. I do not want China to fail but the issue with Biden and China is how is he representing our interests. This whole green energy thing where we go all green where China burns as much coal is they want is an issue more with Biden than China.
You clearly didn't read the post. Or perhaps you read it but didn't understand it.
The Supreme Court literally dismissed your exact argument about "it's like being forced to let people into my house."
"The state had attempted to analogize the town's rights to the rights of homeowners to regulate the conduct of guests in their home. The Court rejected that contention by noting that ownership "does not always mean absolute dominion." The court pointed out that the more an owner opens his property up to the public in general, the more his rights are circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who are invited in."
The anti-trespassing statute could not be used to prevent the exercise of First Amendment rights in the privately-owned town.
There are already laws against the direct, credible incitement to immediate violence. But that's not even what this is about. It is about political discourse; namely, denying people who oppose the leftist globohomo agenda their First Amendment rights in the public square.
Anyway, if you believe private businesses should be able to deny service to anyone who doesn't abide by their owners' arbitrary rules, why can't a private baker deny business to someone who doesn't abide by his rules of not promoting homosexual sodomy?
Of course, as we all know, it is hypocritical bullshit designed to further the leftist agenda. When it suits them to intervene against private business, IE by destroying a Christian baker, they do so gleefully; when it suits them to leave alone or indeed collude with private business, IE censorship under the previous owners of Twitter, they do so. There is no consistency other than what will best destroy America.Then please quote the section of that ruling that states, "Oh, and at no point is the private property owner allowed to tell the guests whose behavior he disapproves of, such as passing out certain flyers, to get the fuck off his property and instead they must be welcome and allowed to stay there as long as they damn well please doing whatever the hell they want to do. ".
This ought to be good.
They do have good arguments against mask mandates, especially for children. However, one of the infectious disease experts said all her colleagues wear masks to some meetings. And another said masks give people a feeling of invulnerability so that they don't get vaccinated, stay home when sick, and install better air filtration systems. She believes those steps are more effective in preventing the spread of disease than masks.
I looked at several papers back in 2020 on masks and coronaviruses. In a medical setting, the data shows they prevent their spread. As the experts rightly said in the video, the data's not conclusive as to masks preventing the spread of influenza though.
I was the only person I saw wearing a mask at two indoor venues this weekend. There were several hundred people in one and several thousand in another. It's a KN95 mask and I wear it correctly, snugly against my face. Since COVID started, I've only had one common cold, nothing else. I used to have two or three colds a year. I have however gotten flu and COVID vaccines, and three COVID boosters, so I have protection from those against influenza and the coronavirus.To add to your refutation of JustTK's suggestion that the scientitsts in that link in any way supported his contention from the start that "masks don't work", they absolutely, positively did not say that wearing a quality mask, wearing it properly and consistently would "not work" to reduce the risk of acquiring or spreading coronavirus. Period.
Those are legitimate concerns.
The IRS has made life hell for some Americans.
Democratic politician Richard Trumka did say his agency, the Consumer Product Safety Commission, may ban gas stoves. A number of cities controlled by Democratic politicians have passed bans on gas hookups and / or gas appliances, particularly in new buildings and houses. They include New York City, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Washington D. C. Democratic politicians have also prevented construction of natural gas pipelines. This has resulted in increased carbon emissions over what they would be otherwise, as natural gas when burned emits less carbon per BTU than coal or fuel oil. It also results in higher heating bills, especially this year when fuel oil prices are sky high.
But true, Democratic politicians will not be forcing sex change operations and new pronouns on people.Banning the further production of gas stoves and offering big cash incentives to buy new and better alternatives is not the same as kicking down your door to confiscate your gas stove.
Poor Donald Trump has been suffering through IRS audit "hell" for at least 6-7 years, or so he says, for lack of enough staff at the IRS to do it quicker for the poor feller. The same reason I have not yet received my tax refund, the first for me in decades, for 2021 even though I filed my return for it electronically in May 2022.
Of course, that is not to mention the "hell" the IRS is putting Poor Donald Trump through by not simply allowing him to skate without question on a $100+ Million tax debt that prompted his audit.
The idea that the 87,000 much needed new IRS staff are bad news for patriotic Americans rather than good news is as loony as the idea that the refugee border crossings that began under Trump were something Joe Biden "orchestrated for the oligarchs as payback for helping him rig 2020's election. ".
My first reply has failed to post. Let's try again.
Really? And just pretend that you didn't say the dumbest thing I've seen on this forum in a long time -- that people who come from money don't care about money.
First, admit that it was dumb as fuck. Then we'll address your next "concern."
I didn't say that. Find the quote or shut up.You didn't say that, huh?
Gaetz... doesn't need any money: he's from a super-rich familyAnything else?
ChuchoLoco
01-16-23, 23:35
They do have good arguments against mask mandates, especially for children. However, one of the infectious disease experts said all her colleagues wear masks to some meetings. And another said masks give people a feeling of invulnerability so that they don't get vaccinated, stay home when sick, and install better air filtration systems. She believes those steps are more effective in preventing the spread of disease than masks.
I looked at several papers back in 2020 on masks and coronaviruses. In a medical setting, the data shows they prevent their spread. As the experts rightly said in the video, the data's not conclusive as to masks preventing the spread of influenza though.
I was the only person I saw wearing a mask at two indoor venues this weekend. There were several hundred people in one and several thousand in another. It's a KN95 mask and I wear it correctly, snugly against my face. Since COVID started, I've only had one common cold, nothing else. I used to have two or three colds a year. I have however gotten flu and COVID vaccines, and three COVID boosters, so I have protection from those against influenza and the coronavirus.Your last paragraph says it all. KN95 is the only mask to wear for real protection. Vaccine and boosters are part of the defense too and so far my only side effect is a new arm coming out of may back. I actually like being able to scratch my back easier though. Never really had a side effect but I may be done with shots and boosters for a while. Nice to see someone who does as he feels best for himself and doesn't go along with the crowd as you didn't do as others at the indoor venues. The experts BS'the everyone when they kept all the KN95's for healthcare workers and said any mask is good enough when the government should have mandated more manufacturing of the KN95's and also control the price.
The experts BS'the everyone when they kept all the KN95's for healthcare workers and said any mask is good enough when the government should have mandated more manufacturing of the KN95's and also control the price.I think that played a big part in Fauci's initial recommendation not to wear masks. That and the fact that for influenza the data wasn't so compelling. Again, the case is much stronger for good quality masks with coronaviruses, based on what I was reading a couple of years ago.
And I agree, we should have pumped a lot more money into KN95 and N95 masks. I was disappointed by both Trump and Biden. Trump's gotten a lot of criticism for not encouraging testing and masks. But the Biden administration was really caught unprepared when Omicron hit. Another $10 billion or whatever for good quality masks and for testing would have been a drop in the bucket compared to the $5 trillion spent on stimulus.
Imagine a leftist saying the above, when no less than "Vice President" Kamala Harris applauded the BLM / antifa rioters and looters during their rampages across America which cost billions in damages and tens of lives, telling them to keep going.
Leading leftists in politics and media actually started funds to bail their pet rioters out of jail, so they could go and attack more federal courthouses and burn more cities.
When leftist antifa rioters attacked the White House when the President was inside, the media mocked him because the Secret Service moved him to a secure bunker in the basement because of the threat.
When rightwing protesters walked through open doors into the Congress, the media had a meltdown about "insurrection", and the democrats, RINOs and deep state tried to do Soviet-style purges.
You can't have a sustainable country held together by such brazen lies and hypocrisy. The sooner we split, the better.Former candidate arrested in drive-by shooting case that targeted Democrats' homes in New Mexico
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/01/16/failed-candidate-arrested-nm-shootings-targeted-democrats-homes/11065793002/
A failed Republican state legislative candidate who authorities say was angry over losing the election last November and made baseless claims that the election was rigged against him was arrested Monday in connection with a series of drive-by shootings targeting the homes of Democratic lawmakers in New Mexicos largest city.
Albuquerque Police Chief Harold Medina held a news conference Monday evening hours after SWAT officers arrested Solomon Pena at his home.
Medina described Pena as the mastermind of what appears to be a politically motivated criminal conspiracy leading to four shootings at or near the homes of two county commissioners and two state legislators between early December and early January.
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Police said Pena, an election denier, had approached county and state lawmakers after his loss claiming the contest had been rigged against him despite no evidence of widespread voter fraud in New Mexico in 2020 or 2022. The shootings began shortly after those conversations.
And more...
This is beginning to become the "conservative", "rightwing" and Repub solution to every election that doesn't go their way.
No info yet on whether that particular Repub loon lied about it really being "antifa" or "BLM" committing the violence the way their most iconic Repub loon leader Trump lied about his rightwing version of a democratic handover.
If China goes down, the US is in a depression. It is a different dynamic than traditional rivalries. Say what you want but IMO the Chinese US relationship has benefitted and made both countries richer. I do not want China to fail but the issue with Biden and China is how is he representing our interests. This whole green energy thing where we go all green where China burns as much coal is they want is an issue more with Biden than China.Great points Elvis. Globalism, driven in large part by the USA and China, has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty and helped most of us. And yes, it's places like China and India and Indonesia that will determine the level of carbon emissions in the future. The USA is at 15% of the worldwide total and falling. We can spend many trillions reducing carbon emissions and it's not going to do jack if the developing world doesn't follow along.
The same reason I have not yet received my tax refund, the first for me in decades, for 2021 even though I filed my return for it electronically in May 2022.That's bizarre. I hope you get it straightened out. Have you accessed the IRS site on line? I did that for the first time the other day, and they have a ton of information there about your old payment history and tax returns. It might give you a clue to what's going on.
https://www.irs.gov/payments/your-online-account
MarquisdeSade1
01-17-23, 05:36
... "the average American voter agrees with the political perspective of Breitbart." If you had said that the average rightwing voter agrees with Breitbart's opinion, I'd agree with you.
The "average" American voter is relatively in the "center". In other words, they range from slightly left to slightly right. Evidently you forgot that Breitbart's former leader was Steve Bannon, one of Donnie the Dumbass' most ardent supporters and one of the idiots who urged the attack on the Capitol. https://www.npr.org/2017/03/14/520087884/researchers-examine-breitbart-s-influence-on-misleading-information and https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/07/broad-agreement-in-u-s-even-among-partisans-on-which-news-outlets-are-part-of-the-mainstream-media/.
And, BTW, I am one of the "average American voters" of whom you speak. I am white, Christian, heterosexual and English is my first language. I am not a typical supporter of Donnie the Dumbass who are misogynistic and xenophopic and racist dummies with maybe a high-school education.And, BTW, I am one of the "average American voters" of whom you speak. I am white, Christian, heterosexual and English is my first language. I am not a typical supporter of Donnie the Dumbass who are misogynistic and xenophopic and racist dummies with maybe a high-school education.
Are you sure? Because your posts don't reflect any of that.
Either you're clinically delusional or you're not and you are just an America hating white hating cuck for the DNC, so which is it.
Because I have never met a CIS white hetero Christian male that writes what you write and doesn't vehemently hate Christian White America.
You refer to Trump supporters as racist dummies?
The lady doth projects too much, methinks.
Great points Elvis. Globalism, driven in large part by the USA and China, has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty and helped most of us. And yes, it's places like China and India and Indonesia that will determine the level of carbon emissions in the future. The USA is at 15% of the worldwide total and falling. We can spend many trillions reducing carbon emissions and it's not going to do jack if the developing world doesn't follow along.Chinas power generation additions last year: 110 GW solar, 40 GW wind, 30 GW nuclear, 30 GW coal. Indias projected additions to 2030: coal 20 GW, Nuclear 4 GW, Hydro 6 GW, Renewables 300 GW. India has not been growing coal as its local supply is constrained and imports are too expensive. They have been expanding solar manufacturing and putting in as much solar as they can because it can be installed with minimal grid upgrades and the power is cheap.
That's bizarre. I hope you get it straightened out. Have you accessed the IRS site on line? I did that for the first time the other day, and they have a ton of information there about your old payment history and tax returns. It might give you a clue to what's going on.
https://www.irs.gov/payments/your-online-accountThanks. I already have an account on that site but I doubt there is anything new for me to know there.
I received an actual snail mail letter from the IRS several months ago confirming that I will in fact be getting the full amount of the refund my tax preparer and I originally submitted electronically last May after all. Which was in response to a letter I sent to them after getting a letter from them regarding their adjusting down a big chunk of it due to some unnamed "error" on my return. The letter confirmed they reviewed my claim, that I was right and that I will get what I claimed, the actual dollar amount stated in the letter.
And I have the IRS2 Go app that tells me the status of my refund. See the photo below, minus my Social Security number and other info that I edited out.
On top of the loss of staff due to Trump's Pandemic, Repubs have worked so hard to defund the IRS over the years, making it almost impossible for it to hire and replace staff that has moved on due to attrition, update their computers and the computer systems, the remaining staff is overwhelmed. They are reduced to actually doing much of this stuff by hand and backlogs are still in the millions.
Hence, Biden's 87,000 new IRS hires all armed with AR-15's ready to kick our doors down to confiscate our gas ovens, etc.
IRS backlogs causing massive delays in processing returns
https://www.wsaz.com/2022/05/13/irs-backlogs-causing-massive-delays-processing-returns/
This is a screenshot of my refund update on the IRS2 Go app today:
My first reply has failed to post. Let's try again.
You didn't say that, huh?
Anything else?No, I didn't say Gaetz "doesn't care about money". I said he "doesn't need money" because his family is super-rich. Entirely different. Why bother wasting your time doing rubber-chicken dinners out in the sticks for a couple grand net when you're worth $30 m?
Now, for the fourth time, do you think Donald Trump is richer now than he would have been if he had never entered politics in 2015 and had instead continued to focus on his TV show, his businesses, and his many positive media appearances?
But true, Democratic politicians will not be forcing sex change operations and new pronouns on people.No, they'll just take your kids away and perform sex change operations on them after they've been brainwashed by blue-haired public school teachers in secret to think they're a tranny.
Then please quote the section of that ruling that states, "Oh, and at no point is the private property owner allowed to tell the guests whose behavior he disapproves of, such as passing out certain flyers, to get the fuck off his property and instead they must be welcome and allowed to stay there as long as they damn well please doing whatever the hell they want to do. ".
This ought to be good."Any municipal ordinance that prohibited distributing religious literature in a public street clearly would violate the First Amendment. A company town does not have the same rights a private homeowner in preventing unwanted religious expression on his property. While the town is owned by a private company, it is open for use by the public and thus becomes limited by the constitutional rights of the people there, who are entitled to the freedoms of speech and religion. Conflicts between property rights and constitutional rights generally must be resolved in favor of the latter. ".
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/326/501/
"Open for use by the public" - just like social media.
No, they'll just take your kids away and perform sex change operations on them after they've been brainwashed by blue-haired public school teachers in secret to think they're a tranny.I think it's more the parents' fault. Here are a couple of examples from left of center sources, so hopefully our Democratic friends won't complain, like with Breitbart.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/03/14/jeff-younger-transgender-care-house/
The woman described in the Texas Tribune article, a pediatrician, apparently began dressing her son up in women's clothes when he was 2 years old, and was planning to get him started with puberty blockers. He's now 7 years old. Her ex-husband is fighting this tooth and nail, and he's being characterized as a poster boy for the far right.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/27/us/transgender-inclusive-families-texas-trnd/index.html
The CNN article is a good bit more self righteous than the Texas Tribune piece. A woman took her 6 year old to California, so he'd have a smoother pathway to transitioning.
I don't get it, at 6 or 7 years old. OK, yeah, you'll get no argument from me if someone's 20 years old, and maybe not much of one at 15 years. But this is just crazy.
Chinas power generation additions last year: 110 GW solar, 40 GW wind, 30 GW nuclear, 30 GW coal. Indias projected additions to 2030: coal 20 GW, Nuclear 4 GW, Hydro 6 GW, Renewables 300 GW. India has not been growing coal as its local supply is constrained and imports are too expensive. They have been expanding solar manufacturing and putting in as much solar as they can because it can be installed with minimal grid upgrades and the power is cheap.The key word is "additions. " The USA, Europe, Japan, etc. have been retiring coal fired plants and not building new ones. I have a friend who's done a good bit of research into coal and India. I don't remember the numbers, but he's convinced India will add a lot more coal fired generation than people think. And remember people in the developing world will be consuming more diesel, plastics and other petroleum products, gasoline, and natural gas too, not just coal. Admittedly the natural gas will reduce carbon emissions to the extent it replaces coal.
Thanks. I already have an account on that site but I doubt there is anything new for me to know there.
I received an actual snail mail letter from the IRS several months ago confirming that I will in fact be getting the full amount of the refund my tax preparer and I originally submitted electronically last May after all. Which was in response to a letter I sent to them after getting a letter from them regarding their adjusting down a big chunk of it due to some unnamed "error" on my return. The letter confirmed they reviewed my claim, that I was right and that I will get what I claimed, the actual dollar amount stated in the letter.
And I have the IRS2 Go app that tells me the status of my refund. See the photo below, minus my Social Security number and other info that I edited out.
On top of the loss of staff due to Trump's Pandemic, Repubs have worked so hard to defund the IRS over the years, making it almost impossible for it to hire and replace staff that has moved on due to attrition, update their computers and the computer systems, the remaining staff is overwhelmed. They are reduced to actually doing much of this stuff by hand and backlogs are still in the millions.
Hence, Biden's 87,000 new IRS hires all armed with AR-15's ready to kick our doors down to confiscate our gas ovens, etc.
IRS backlogs causing massive delays in processing returns
https://www.wsaz.com/2022/05/13/irs-backlogs-causing-massive-delays-processing-returns/
This is a screenshot of my refund update on the IRS2 Go app today:
That's just crazy. Well, good luck.
I spend about a man month a year working on taxes and accounting to pay taxes, and someone working for me, the only person working for me full time, spends a lot more time than that. The rules are ridiculously complicated. I've gone through a couple of audits. There were no adjustments, because I pay what I owe and have spent the time to do the paperwork better than most. But they're nerve wracking, and very time consuming.
I sincerely hope the Republicans figure out a way to avoid the manpower increase, although I doubt it's going to happen. The bastards can go **** themselves. By bastards, I don't mean the men and women who work for the IRS. I mean the politicians and lawyers who are responsible for the complicated tax code and regulations.
The key word is "additions. " The USA, Europe, Japan, etc. have been retiring coal fired plants and not building new ones. I have a friend who's done a good bit of research into coal and India. I don't remember the numbers, but he's convinced India will add a lot more coal fired generation than people think. And remember people in the developing world will be consuming more diesel, plastics and other petroleum products, gasoline, and natural gas too, not just coal. Admittedly the natural gas will reduce carbon emissions to the extent it replaces coal.True its not currently replacing coal but there will be a tipping point where it does. The point is there is a narrative that both China and India are all in on coal. They are not as the numbers demonstrate. China ID actually acutely aware of the poor air quality in the country and it is one of the few things where the people are strongly swaying the government to act which in many cases will be to phase out coal. India are much more cost conscious. They had a lot of coal plants planned and most of them still have no progression. India is very favorable for solar and when installed in urban settings there is minimal need for transmission infrastructure. Yes it only works during the day but when your choice is no power vs 8 hrs a day its no choice.
And, BTW, I am one of the "average American voters" of whom you speak. I am white, Christian, heterosexual and English is my first language. I am not a typical supporter of Donnie the Dumbass who are misogynistic and xenophopic and racist dummies with maybe a high-school education.
Are you sure? Because your posts don't reflect any of that.
Either you're clinically delusional or you're not and you are just an America hating white hating cuck for the DNC, so which is it.
Because I have never met a CIS white hetero Christian male that writes what you write and doesn't vehemently hate Christian White America.
You refer to Trump supporters as racist dummies?
The lady doth projects too much, methinks.If you don't believe that I am white, Christian, heterosexual and English is my first language, then you'd be wrong.
Just because you believe that anybody who is white, Christian, heterosexual with English as their first language votes Repub, then you believe incorrectly. There are plenty of people like me. That's why Donnie the Dumbass lost. We don't "hate" Christian white America. What we "hate" is bigotry. What we "hate" is racism. What we "hate" is the stupidity of Repubs claiming that immigrants are going to replace them. What we "hate" is homophobia. What we "hate" is xenophobia. What we "hate" is is fascism. What we "hate" is idiots claiming that the 2020 election was stolen.
And, yes, supporters of Donnie the Dumbass are, for the most part, racist dummies. I haven't met one yet who isn't.
And, by the way, if you want a definition of "lady", look in the mirror. One will be looking back at you.
I think that played a big part in Fauci's initial recommendation not to wear masks. That and the fact that for influenza the data wasn't so compelling. Again, the case is much stronger for good quality masks with coronaviruses, based on what I was reading a couple of years ago.
And I agree, we should have pumped a lot more money into KN95 and N95 masks. I was disappointed by both Trump and Biden. Trump's gotten a lot of criticism for not encouraging testing and masks. But the Biden administration was really caught unprepared when Omicron hit. Another $10 billion or whatever for good quality masks and for testing would have been a drop in the bucket compared to the $5 trillion spent on stimulus.Remember that initially, when nobody knew much about SARS-CoV-2, virologists, etc, thought it spread like virtually every other coronavirus on the planet. Through touch. That's why, early on, most virologists were obsessed with hand washing, containers with disinfectant to step in prior to entering a store, wiping down everything, like groceries, brought in from the outside, wiping down surfaces and so on.
Sure, lack of PPE was part of the problem initially, considering that doctors, nurses, etc were wearing plastic garbage bags and the like instead of gowns and cloth masks instead of N95 masks.
But, what do you think would have been the SARS-CoV-2 death rate in the USA if Donnie the Dumbass would have said initially: "Look folks, this appears to be very serious. So here's what I personally am going to do. I am going to wear a mask when I am around other people. You should do the same. I am going to require that every person entering the White House, and I mean everybody, will be required to mask up. I am going to stay at least 6 feet away from people. You should do the same. I am going to require that every person entering the White House, and I mean everybody, will be required to observe social distance protocols. I know that many of you want me to take another stance on this. Tough. This is what we all should do as Americans. We have a duty to protect others and following these protocols, as a minimum, will protect us and it will protect others. This will be my advice to the states. But remember that the various states will adopt the protocols that they think are best. But remember that if you personally don't like what your state does, tough shit. We will update you at least weekly with other COVID news and other protocols as we have them."
Former candidate arrested in drive-by shooting case that targeted Democrats' homes in New Mexico
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/01/16/failed-candidate-arrested-nm-shootings-targeted-democrats-homes/11065793002/
This is beginning to become the "conservative", "rightwing" and Repub solution to every election that doesn't go their way.
No info yet on whether that particular Repub loon lied about it really being "antifa" or "BLM" committing the violence the way their most iconic Repub loon leader Trump lied about his rightwing version of a democratic handover.This from your link kind of supports Chris' narrative:
"In Albuquerque, law enforcement has been struggling to address back-to-back years of record homicides and persistent gun violence."
Perhaps you can attribute that in part to Democratic governance at the city and state level. Albuquerque is deep blue. New Mexico doesn't have a single Republican congressman, but admittedly that's mostly because the districts were gerrymandered to deprive eastern New Mexico of representation.
Another interesting point in your article, not a single person was injured in the drive by shootings, just as not a single person defending the Capitol was killed on January 6. Democrats are gravely worried about the threat to the country from right wing terrorism and insurrection. But these nut cases, like the guy in New Mexico, apparently can't shoot straight. The only arguable right wing incident that resulted in a significant number of deaths was Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City. And McVeigh's agenda was actually much closer to the ACLU's than to Republicans'.
MarquisdeSade1
01-17-23, 20:02
This from your link kind of supports Chris' narrative:
"In Albuquerque, law enforcement has been struggling to address back-to-back years of record homicides and persistent gun violence."
Perhaps you can attribute that in part to Democratic governance at the city and state level. Albuquerque is deep blue. New Mexico doesn't have a single Republican congressman, but admittedly that's mostly because the districts were gerrymandered to deprive eastern New Mexico of representation.
Another interesting point in your article, not a single person was injured in the drive by shootings, just as not a single person defending the Capitol was killed on January 6. Democrats are gravely worried about the threat to the country from right wing terrorism and insurrection. But these nut cases, like the guy in New Mexico, apparently can't shoot straight. The only arguable right wing incident that resulted in a significant number of deaths was Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City. And McVeigh's agenda was actually much closer to the ACLU's than to Republicans'.Or maybe they're just mixing names up?
His name sounds more like a illegal border crossing cartel member? Jajajajajaaaa.
ChuchoLoco
01-17-23, 21:05
I think that played a big part in Fauci's initial recommendation not to wear masks. That and the fact that for influenza the data wasn't so compelling. Again, the case is much stronger for good quality masks with coronaviruses, based on what I was reading a couple of years ago.
And I agree, we should have pumped a lot more money into KN95 and N95 masks. I was disappointed by both Trump and Biden. Trump's gotten a lot of criticism for not encouraging testing and masks. But the Biden administration was really caught unprepared when Omicron hit. Another $10 billion or whatever for good quality masks and for testing would have been a drop in the bucket compared to the $5 trillion spent on stimulus.So true! Isn't it amazing that no matter who is the president or who their advisors are that they couldn't see this? Probably no profit in it for their donors who are basically the same. They may give more to one than the other but must give to both in case their boy doesn't win.
Elvis 2008
01-17-23, 21:46
Elvis, I agree with most of what you write but not you assertion that the West didn't want this war.
Washington certainly did want this war, and has been pushing for it since the CIA organized the Ukraine coup in 2014.Good point, Chris. I should have clarified. The American people and most businesses did not want this war and the costs associated with it. But the American military industrial complex sure did, and Biden seems to have never met a war he does not like.
True its not currently replacing coal but there will be a tipping point where it does. The point is there is a narrative that both China and India are all in on coal. They are not as the numbers demonstrate. China ID actually acutely aware of the poor air quality in the country and it is one of the few things where the people are strongly swaying the government to act which in many cases will be to phase out coal. India are much more cost conscious. They had a lot of coal plants planned and most of them still have no progression. India is very favorable for solar and when installed in urban settings there is minimal need for transmission infrastructure. Yes it only works during the day but when your choice is no power vs 8 hrs a day its no choice.All good points. Add to them the price of seaborne coal which you brought up in your previous post. About the 8 hours a day, if you live in a Mumbai apartment block and you've got air conditioning, I guess solar or wind is likely to get you through the heat of the day on most days.
I still believe the situation is hopeless, if your goal is to get to "0" net carbon emissions on a global basis. The IEA projects Indian coal usage will go up by 30% between now and 2032. Coal prices will go down. Indonesia, Russia, South Africa and maybe Australia will sell as much coal as the rest of the world will buy. Developing countries aren't going to kowtow to the developed world.
I hesitate to mention his name, because I'll get pilloried here again, but I suspect Bjorn Lomborg is right, this isn't going to work out as badly as many think. Maybe we'll come up with some kind of technological solution if we have to, sulfur dioxide in the upper atmosphere or whatever. I'm OK with that, as I believe spending 50 or 100 trillion dollars on a global basis to go to zero net carbon would be a huge mistake.
I think it's more the parents' fault. Here are a couple of examples from left of center sources, so hopefully our Democratic friends won't complain, like with Breitbart.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/03/14/jeff-younger-transgender-care-house/
The woman described in the Texas Tribune article, a pediatrician, apparently began dressing her son up in women's clothes when he was 2 years old, and was planning to get him started with
puberty blockers. He's now 7 years old. Her ex-husband is fighting this tooth and nail, and he's being characterized as a poster boy for the far right.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/27/us/transgender-inclusive-families-texas-trnd/index.html
The CNN article is a good bit more self righteous than the Texas Tribune piece. A woman took her 6 year old to California, so he'd have a smoother pathway to transitioning.
I don't get it, at 6 or 7 years old. OK, yeah, you'll get no argument from me if someone's 20 years old, and maybe not much of one at 15 years. But this is just crazy.Yeah sure, you are going to have outliers on the fringe of society and what's considered abnormal/acceptable practices, of what's found on both sides of the social spectrum, when raising kids.
But what is really crazy, is blatantly irresponsible parents, raising gun toting, shoot them' up kids that are brainwashed into "gun power" behavior.
6-year-old shoots teacher in Newport News, Virginia, police say | CNN
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/us/newport-news-virginia-shooting/index.html[/b]
Indiana father arrested after toddler son seen waving gun on live TV
https://nypost.com/2023/01/17/shane-osborne-arrested-after-son-seen-with-gun-on-on-patrol-live-report/
While my sensibilities maybe offended with kids on a "smoother pathway to transitioning" or who's sons are dressed up in women's clothes, it's apparent to me, my persons or personhood is, less likely to be violently assaulted or worst I am shot to death. Unlike the parents raising the "gun toting" Nazi wanna be kids.
MarquisdeSade1
01-18-23, 00:40
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/joe-biden-classified-documents/2023/01/16/id/1104651/
Why not shred them?
Why not put them in the fireplace?
Why not tear them up and flush down the toilet?
Why not put them in a folder in the east wing somewhere?
Ala remember the docs found in Bubbas White House residency?
There's an agenda, some type of psyops.
A diversion from Joe and Hunters crime spree??
I can't come up with a motive, but rest assured there is one.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/joe-biden-classified-documents/2023/01/16/id/1104651/
Former candidate arrested in drive-by shooting case that targeted Democrats' homes in New Mexico
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/01/16/failed-candidate-arrested-nm-shootings-targeted-democrats-homes/11065793002/
This is beginning to become the "conservative", "rightwing" and Repub solution to every election that doesn't go their way.
No info yet on whether that particular Repub loon lied about it really being "antifa" or "BLM" committing the violence the way their most iconic Repub loon leader Trump lied about his rightwing version of a democratic handover.No doubt, I wonder, this must be a prime example of what one of those Nazi "gun toting" kids, resembles all grown up. Kill, murder, violence and mayhem when they don't get their own way.
MarquisdeSade1
01-18-23, 01:09
If you don't believe that I am white, Christian, heterosexual and English is my first language, then you'd be wrong.
Just because you believe that anybody who is white, Christian, heterosexual with English as their first language votes Repub, then you believe incorrectly. There are plenty of people like me. That's why Donnie the Dumbass lost. We don't "hate" Christian white America. What we "hate" is bigotry. What we "hate" is racism. What we "hate" is the stupidity of Repubs claiming that immigrants are going to replace them. What we "hate" is homophobia. What we "hate" is xenophobia. What we "hate" is is fascism. What we "hate" is idiots claiming that the 2020 election was stolen.
And, yes, supporters of Donnie the Dumbass are, for the most part, racist dummies. I haven't met one yet who isn't.
And, by the way, if you want a definition of "lady", look in the mirror. One will be looking back at you.You're full of hate, but anyone that reads your drivel here already knows that you hate white people.
But go ahead keep calling everyone else racist!
If you don't believe that I am white, Christian, heterosexual and English is my first language, then you'd be wrong.
Just because you believe that anybody who is white, Christian, heterosexual with English as their first language votes Repub, then you believe incorrectly. There are plenty of people like me. That's why Donnie the Dumbass lost. We don't "hate" Christian white America. What we "hate" is bigotry. What we "hate" is racism. What we "hate" is the stupidity of Repubs claiming that immigrants are going to replace them. What we "hate" is homophobia. What we "hate" is xenophobia. What we "hate" is is fascism. What we "hate" is idiots claiming that the 2020 election was stolen.
And, yes, supporters of Donnie the Dumbass are, for the most part, racist dummies. I haven't met one yet who isn't.
And, by the way, if you want a definition of "lady", look in the mirror. One will be looking back at you.Well Said!
But it wouldn't be the first time MS1, has made such ridiculous and ludicrous claims, about Americans or BMs on ISG for that matter.
Take the rant on OCT-04-2022, which I was about to reply to, but was unfortunately deleted by Admin (like many of his posts...kkkk!). But the gist of the post was that "...90% of ISG members are Repubs and WE OWN ISG.".
It went on to be a bit more offensive than that, with the usual right-wing, Breitbart drivel, but I guess Admin took great offense with him claiming "...Repub ownership of ISG...", and quickly deleted said post.
Definite case of delusions of grandeur. But to be expected, when all you sources and info is from Breitbart, Breitbart or Breitbart.
No, I didn't say Gaetz "doesn't care about money". I said he "doesn't need money" because his family is super-rich. Entirely different.LOLOL, so Gaetz does care about money, it's just he doesn't need the money?
Did you really say that?
MG: But I really love money so much!
CrisP: Forget it Mattie, you don't need it!
MG: You're fucking nuts? What do you mean I don't need it?
CrisP: Because your family is rich, Mattie Poo!
MG: But I want my own money!
CrisP: Nah Matz, you're good! Your daddys's there for ya.
You're a hell of a comedian, you know.
The mod here does plenty to manipulate the Overton window here.
We certainly don't need you trying to weasel in on it too, ID say nice try, but it really wasnt.
I only wish we could post what we really wanted to express.
How valuable is any dialogue with tons of unseen / unwritten rules?If you don't like the ISG rules, regs and conditions of behavior, may I suggest you create your own "sandbox" to play-in.
Hey brother, it's simple! Just follow the same playbook as your hero, Donnie "the Devil" J. Dummkopf, and his social media platform version of Twitter and launch your very own ISG for QAnon / Repubs, where you'll no doubt be able to post all but crap and BS from Breitbart, to your heart's content.
But what is really crazy, is blatantly irresponsible parents, raising gun toting, shoot them' up kids that are brainwashed into "gun power" behavior.This is actually a very effective strategy for the upcoming War of Secession from Progressive America. Child soldiers have shown themselves to be very effective in southern Sudan, Uganda, Liberia and Sierra Leone. They will be in the USA too.
While my sensibilities maybe offended with kids on a "smoother pathway to transitioning" or who's sons are dressed up in women's clothes, it's apparent to me, my persons or personhood is, less likely to be violently assaulted or worst I am shot to death. Unlike the parents raising the "gun toting" Nazi wanna be kids.Well, you haven't had your pocket picked by transvestites walking down Sukhumvit in Bangkok or between the Del Rey and the Morazon in San Jose. Speak for yourself.
P.S. This post is a joke. I don't have to point that out to you Spidy, but some of our more literal members might take it seriously.
But, what do you think would have been the SARS-CoV-2 death rate in the USA if Donnie the Dumbass would have said initially: "Look folks, this appears to be very serious. So here's what I personally am going to do. I am going to wear a mask when I am around other people. You should do the same. I am going to require that every person entering the White House, and I mean everybody, will be required to mask up. I am going to stay at least 6 feet away from people. You should do the same. I am going to require that every person entering the White House, and I mean everybody, will be required to observe social distance protocols. I know that many of you want me to take another stance on this. Tough. This is what we all should do as Americans. We have a duty to protect others and following these protocols, as a minimum, will protect us and it will protect others. This will be my advice to the states. But remember that the various states will adopt the protocols that they think are best. But remember that if you personally don't like what your state does, tough shit. We will update you at least weekly with other COVID news and other protocols as we have them."Yeah, I definitely wish he'd done that. It would have saved some lives. I don't think it would have affected the overall death rate, from February, 2020 to present, as much as you think though. People are going to do what people are going to do. Remember when Trump got booed at a rally when he said he'd gotten the booster.
Elvis 2008
01-18-23, 02:37
But, what do you think would have been the SARS-CoV-2 death rate in the USA if Donnie the Dumbass would have said initially: "Look folks, this appears to be very serious. So here's what I personally am going to do. I am going to wear a mask when I am around other people. You should do the same. I am going to require that every person entering the White House, and I mean everybody, will be required to mask up. I am going to stay at least 6 feet away from people. You should do the same. I am going to require that every person entering the White House, and I mean everybody, will be required to observe social distance protocols. I know that many of you want me to take another stance on this. Tough. This is what we all should do as Americans. We have a duty to protect others and following these protocols, as a minimum, will protect us and it will protect others. This will be my advice to the states. But remember that the various states will adopt the protocols that they think are best. But remember that if you personally don't like what your state does, tough shit. We will update you at least weekly with other COVID news and other protocols as we have them."Let me help answer your question PVM. It would have done nothing. You are still in this mythical world that the virus spread in shopping malls when in reality 75% of cases were traced to the home. Did any pol have the balls to say that families should not have dinner together? Or do dinner by Zoom? Hell no!
On top of that, the time you are exposed to a sick person is way more important than a damned mask. No one said shit about that either.
It just amazes me that you guys still want to fit a round peg into a square hole. Outside of a vaccine that worked well for 3 months and okay for six months, there was nothing that worked with regards to prevention. Your paper of record the NYT could not shut up about what a model South Korea was with Covid and now they are like #8 for Covid cases in the whole world. And if you look at Sweden, OMG they were killing people right and left, they are no better or worse than anyone else. And the studies bear that out.
It is an incurable cold virus that was made in a lab to be highly contagious. There is no cure for it. Period. Done. Government policies did not fucking work! Do you get that now? The virus did what it was going to do.
China creates this fucking virus, lies about it, hides data about it from the world, and all you Democratic douches want to blame Trump. You douches blaming Trump and not China makes me sick. WTF is wrong with you people?
This from your link kind of supports Chris' narrative:
"In Albuquerque, law enforcement has been struggling to address back-to-back years of record homicides and persistent gun violence."
Perhaps you can attribute that in part to Democratic governance at the city and state level. Albuquerque is deep blue. New Mexico doesn't have a single Republican congressman, but admittedly that's mostly because the districts were gerrymandered to deprive eastern New Mexico of representation.
Another interesting point in your article, not a single person was injured in the drive by shootings, just as not a single person defending the Capitol was killed on January 6. Democrats are gravely worried about the threat to the country from right wing terrorism and insurrection. But these nut cases, like the guy in New Mexico, apparently can't shoot straight. The only arguable right wing incident that resulted in a significant number of deaths was Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City. And McVeigh's agenda was actually much closer to the ACLU's than to Republicans'.Your beloved Repub candidates have been running on their glorious "2nd Amendment" methods of governance and solutions around the country, not just in Blue New Mexico.
Your beloved Iconic Repub Leader Donald Trump implored his followers to engage in violence at his "trashy" MAGA rallies all around the country.
Your beloved, heavily armed "can't shoot straight" Repub, Pena, instructed his Repub hitmen conspirators, maybe found through Twitter or Facebook, to shoot lower into homes so as to improve their chances of finding a human target:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/17/us/solomon-pena-arrested-new-mexico-shootings/index.html
Your beloved violent Repub Trumpsters killed several and seriously maimed and injured many more defenders of democracy as the result of their violent January 6, 2021 Repub Insurrection. Line-of-Duty deaths directly related to your beloved Repub Insurrection count. Not just your beloved Riot Day shootings. This was not a carnival midway shooting-gallery game:
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/07/politics/capitol-police-injuries/index.html
The fact that your beloved violent Repubs didn't kill more people at Trump's ultimate Repub MAGA rally that day was certainly not for their lack of trying:
https://youtu.be/Iludfj6Pe7w
Oh, and for the sake of consistency on your theory that this Repub violence and killings can perhaps be "attributed" Dem leadership in cities and states, please tell us how Blue the "Dem" Mayor of Oklahoma City and "Dem" Governor of Oklahoma were in 1995 when Repub Avenger Timothy McVeigh killed all those people.
Or maybe they're just mixing names up?
His name sounds more like a illegal border crossing cartel member? Jajajajajaaaa.Solomon. He must be Jewish. Or maybe he just changed his first name for business purposes. Like that "better call Saul" guy on television.
They both live in Albuquerque. It must be an Albuquerque thing.
MarquisdeSade1
01-18-23, 04:57
This is actually a very effective strategy for the upcoming War of Secession from Progressive America. Child soldiers have shown themselves to be very effective in southern Sudan, Uganda, Liberia and Sierra Leone. They will be in the USA too.
Well, you haven't had your pocket picked by transvestites walking down Sukhumvit in Bangkok or between the Del Rey and the Morazon in San Jose. Speak for yourself.
P.S. This post is a joke. I don't have to point that out to you Spidy, but some of our more literal members might take it seriously.If they will let them cut their dicks off, I'm guessing a suicide vest is an even easier sell.
This is actually a very effective strategy for the upcoming War of Secession from Progressive America. Child soldiers have shown themselves to be very effective in southern Sudan, Uganda, Liberia and Sierra Leone. They will be in the USA too. ...
P.S. This post is a joke. I don't have to point that out to you Spidy, but some of our more literal members might take it seriously. Sure, Tiny 12, I get it! But perhaps, as they say, there is often a sliver of truth behind every joke. Take the joke that was and is, Donnie "the Devil" J. Dummkopf, until he was no longer a joke, and shockingly became president.
With all the recent coups, uprisings and insurrections, your joke w/r to (right-wing) American Child Soldiers, bares some "food for thought". But I'm pretty sure, it's a very compelling idea for those on the right.
But I doubt the teacher who was shot by the Nazi gun toting kid, isn't laughing.
Sure, Tiny 12, I get it! But perhaps, as they say, there is often a sliver of truth behind every joke. Take the joke that was and is, Donnie "the Devil" J. Dummkopf, until he was no longer a joke, and shockingly became president.
With all the recent coups, uprisings and insurrections, your joke w/r to (right-wing) American Child Soldiers, bares some "food for thought". But I'm pretty sure, it's a very compelling idea for those on the right.
But I doubt the teacher who was shot by the Nazi gun toting kid, isn't laughing.I can't read your Nazi gun toting kid link. But I'd guess a higher percentage of child murderers live in blue counties and cities, than red ones. At least that's true of adult murderers. The probability you or I will be whacked some day by a Nazi gun toting kid, or adult, is very, very low.
Aside: If you look at data on a statewide basis, you may think murder rates are higher among Republicans. This however is not the case. Rather it’s Simpsons paradox at work.
MarquisdeSade1
01-18-23, 15:39
If you don't like the ISG rules, regs and conditions of behavior, may I suggest you create your own "sandbox" to play-in.
Hey brother, it's simple! Just follow the same playbook as your hero, Donnie "the Devil" J. Dummkopf, and his social media platform version of Twitter and launch your very own ISG for QAnon / Repubs, where you'll no doubt be able to post all but crap and BS from Breitbart, to your heart's content.If you're concerned about the rules, maybe you should stop VIOLATING them.
It is against the rules to discourage others from posting on ISG!!
Rules for me but not for thee?
Let me help answer your question PVM. It would have done nothing. You are still in this mythical world that the virus spread in shopping malls when in reality 75% of cases were traced to the home. Did any pol have the balls to say that families should not have dinner together? Or do dinner by Zoom? Hell no!
On top of that, the time you are exposed to a sick person is way more important than a damned mask. No one said shit about that either.
It just amazes me that you guys still want to fit a round peg into a square hole. Outside of a vaccine that worked well for 3 months and okay for six months, there was nothing that worked with regards to prevention. Your paper of record the NYT could not shut up about what a model South Korea was with Covid and now they are like #8 for Covid cases in the whole world. And if you look at Sweden, OMG they were killing people right and left, they are no better or worse than anyone else. And the studies bear that out.
It is an incurable cold virus that was made in a lab to be highly contagious. There is no cure for it. Period. Done. Government policies did not fucking work! Do you get that now? The virus did what it was going to do.
China creates this fucking virus, lies about it, hides data about it from the world, and all you Democratic douches want to blame Trump. You douches blaming Trump and not China makes me sick. WTF is wrong with you people?If Donnie the Dumbass hadn't lied about COVID, it may not have had an effect because, after all, there are a lot of really stupid Repubs who would have done what they wanted anyway. But given that the majority of Jan 6th defendants used the "Trump made me do it" defense, I think a lot of those idiots would have paid attention and done what Donnie the Dumbass told them to do.
China didn't create the virus except in your mind. Period. COVID is not a cold virus or a flu virus. Period. It was not made in a lab. Period.
Donnie the Dumbass removed the doctors who could have told us about COVID several months before COVID evolved. Maybe you ought to investigate that connection. It would fit your preconceptions. First, Donnie the Dumbass removes doctors from China. Second, China creates COVID. Third, COVID kills millions. Maybe put Buttfucker Carlson on the trail. This fits Repub logic perfectly. Joe ate Wheaties instead of his usual oatmeal for breakfast yesterday. Joe crashed his car yesterday afternoon. Therefore, Wheaties caused Joe's car crash.
And exactly who was in charge when the vaccine was created? If you say "Donnie the Dumbass was in charge", go to the head of the class. But you won't say that, will you? You will deflect with some tortured reasoning, all the while forgetting that Donnie the Dumbass said something like "I really get this stuff" when referring to COVID and vaccines. And if you knew anything at all about viruses, you'd know that they mutate. Some viruses mutate slowly. Some mutate quickly. COVID mutates quickly. But sure, let's blame the vaccine. But Donnie the Dumbass was in charge when the vaccine was created. Somehow, I'll bet you don't blame him, though, do you?
And finally, FYI, S. Korea has 644 deaths per 1 MM people while the US has 3,363 per 1 MM population. South Korea must have done something correctly. The majority of South Koreans wear masks. But, according to you, masks don't work. Yet SK has 20% of the per capita deaths as does the US. https://theconversation.com/the-secret-to-south-koreas-covid-success-combining-high-technology-with-the-human-touch-170045.
This from your link kind of supports Chris' narrative:
"In Albuquerque, law enforcement has been struggling to address back-to-back years of record homicides and persistent gun violence."
Perhaps you can attribute that in part to Democratic governance at the city and state level. Albuquerque is deep blue. New Mexico doesn't have a single Republican congressman, but admittedly that's mostly because the districts were gerrymandered to deprive eastern New Mexico of representation.
Another interesting point in your article, not a single person was injured in the drive by shootings, just as not a single person defending the Capitol was killed on January 6. Democrats are gravely worried about the threat to the country from right wing terrorism and insurrection. But these nut cases, like the guy in New Mexico, apparently can't shoot straight. The only arguable right wing incident that resulted in a significant number of deaths was Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City. And McVeigh's agenda was actually much closer to the ACLU's than to Republicans'.Excellent points.
I'm pretty sure Eihtooms is a satirist. His apparently unintentional hilarity is so brilliantly layered that I can hardly believe it could be real.
Good point, Chris. I should have clarified. The American people and most businesses did not want this war and the costs associated with it. But the American military industrial complex sure did, and Biden seems to have never met a war he does not like.Yes, that's certainly true.
It explains why the Washington deep state (media / democrats / alphabet agencies / military industrial complex) were so desperate to get President Trump out of office that they rigged the election. He was the first president in 40 years not to start any new wars, so he was eating into their profits and power.
Also shows you just how moronic some of the pro-Biden useful idiots on this forum are. They probably consider themselves some kind of heroic rebel figure, whereas in reality they are shilling against the majority of the American people and businesses, and for war and death.
Your beloved violent Repub Trumpsters killed several and seriously maimed and injured many more defenders of democracy as the result of their violent January 6, 2021 Repub Insurrection. Line-of-Duty deaths directly related to your beloved Repub Insurrection count. I rarely bother replying to Eihtooms's latest comedy scripts these days, but as ever I feel the need to repulse yet again the disgusting leftist lie that anyone other than Ashli Babbitt was killed on Jan 6.
so Gaetz does care about money, it's just he doesn't need the money?
Correct. Everyone on earth cares about money. But Gaetz doesn't need to spend all his time running around fundraising a few thousand here and there because he's already worth tens of millions. It's called Fuck you money. Pretty easy concept to get one's head round, even for you.
Now, for the fifth time: do you think Donald Trump is richer now than he would have been if he had never entered politics in 2015 and had instead continued to focus on his TV show, his businesses, and his many positive media appearances?
China didn't create the virus except in your mind. Period. COVID is not a cold virus or a flu virus. Period. It was not made in a lab. Period.
ROFL this dem doofus and his clownery. Next he'll be saying "the vaccine is totally safe and effective! You can't contract or transmit covid if you get it! It doesn't cause elevated risk of blood clots and heart attacks!
Even his beloved fake news has stopped spouting this rubbish, but he's still at it. He reminds me of that Japanese soldier who spent decades fighting on in the jungles of Borneo after world war two even though his country had surrendered. He's presenting a serious challenge to Eihtooms for the title of ISG King of Comedy.
Yeah, I definitely wish he'd done that. It would have saved some lives. I don't think it would have affected the overall death rate, from February, 2020 to present, as much as you think though. People are going to do what people are going to do. Remember when Trump got booed at a rally when he said he'd gotten the booster.Trump took the virus a lot more seriously than the dem doofuses in the early days. You'll recall he banned flights from China in January 2020, while Crazy Nancy Pelosi was out on the streets of San Francisco hugging chinamen while stepping over human poop and junkies (the only human contact she gets, judging by her husband's night-time activities with young men in the family home). Biden's handlers issued a statement condemning the ban as "racist" (of course), and the fake news media echoed it as always.
I wonder if the loopy leftists think the democrat plan to allow Chinese flights to operate as normal would have made the covid situation better? The funny thing is, they probably do.
If they will let them cut their dicks off, I'm guessing a suicide vest is an even easier sell.That's true. When some poor kid's had his dick chopped off and been pumped full of weird hormones aged 12 courtesy of his crazed single mother and blue-haired communist schoolteachers, and finally grows up and realises what has been done to him, I imagine the vest might seem a better option than a short, painful life of humiliation and zero sexual pleasure.
Then again, he might become a male democrat voter, for whom the latter state of affairs is considered entirely normal.
MarquisdeSade1
01-18-23, 18:58
Elvis 2008;2780988 Let me help answer your question PVM. It would have done nothing. You are still in this mythical world that the virus spread in shopping malls when in reality 75% of cases were traced to the home. Did any pol have the balls to say that families should not have dinner together? Or do dinner by Zoom? Hell no!
On top of that, the time you are exposed to a sick person is way more important than a damned mask. No one said shit about that either.
It just amazes me that you guys still want to fit a round peg into a square hole. Outside of a vaccine that worked well for 3 months and okay for six months, there was nothing that worked with regards to prevention. Your paper of record the NYT could not shut up about what a model South Korea was with Covid and now they are like #8 for Covid cases in the whole world. And if you look at Sweden, OMG they were killing people right and left, they are no better or worse than anyone else. And the studies bear that out.
It is an incurable cold virus that was made in a lab to be highly contagious. There is no cure for it. Period. Done. Government policies did not fucking work! Do you get that now? The virus did what it was going to do.
China creates this fucking virus, lies about it, hides data about it from the world, and all you Democratic douches want to blame Trump. You douches blaming Trump and not China makes me sick. WTF is wrong with you people?
You can't fix stoopid (or evil).
MarquisdeSade1
01-18-23, 19:02
Why not shred them?
Why not put them in the fireplace?
Why not tear them up and flush down the toilet?
Why not put them in a folder in the east wing somewhere?
Ala remember the docs found in Bubbas White House residency?
There's an agenda, some type of psyops.
A diversion from Joe and Hunters crime spree??
I can't come up with a motive, but rest assured there is one.
https://amgreatness.com/2023/01/15/did-the-deep-state-turn-on-biden/
https://amgreatness.com/2023/01/13/is-the-deep-state-coming-after-joe-biden/
Are they trying to kneecap Joe and the Junkie from another term?
Here's a post from "BlueTuth" from the comments section of a related article, concise, to the point, and sums the issues up beautifully.
"Donald Trump continues to stoke violence with his lies about 'stolen' elections. He still refuses to acknowledge his clear and fully-vetted defeat in the 2020 election.
Like a child, he refused to attend the inauguration of his successor, and he spews infantile vitriol on social media, urging his mentally unstable right-wingnut followers to become increasingly paranoid and belligerent.
Trump acts like a spoiled four-year-old, but we must not allow our courts or Congress to treat him like a child. He must be held accountable for the Jan 6th insurrection, for his attempts to undermine the 2020 election, and for continuing to instigate violence against duly elected officials. ".
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/17/solomon-pea-shooting-new-mexico/
Your beloved Repub candidates have been running on their glorious "2nd Amendment" methods of governance and solutions around the country, not just in Blue New Mexico.
Your beloved Iconic Repub Leader Donald Trump implored his followers to engage in violence at his "trashy" MAGA rallies all around the country.
Your beloved, heavily armed "can't shoot straight" Repub, Pena, instructed his Repub hitmen conspirators, maybe found through Twitter or Facebook, to shoot lower into homes so as to improve their chances of finding a human target:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/17/us/solomon-pena-arrested-new-mexico-shootings/index.html
Your beloved violent Repub Trumpsters killed several and seriously maimed and injured many more defenders of democracy as the result of their violent January 6, 2021 Repub Insurrection. Line-of-Duty deaths directly related to your beloved Repub Insurrection count. Not just your beloved Riot Day shootings. This was not a carnival midway shooting-gallery game:
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/07/politics/capitol-police-injuries/index.html
The fact that your beloved violent Repubs didn't kill more people at Trump's ultimate Repub MAGA rally that day was certainly not for their lack of trying:
https://youtu.be/Iludfj6Pe7w
Oh, and for the sake of consistency on your theory that this Repub violence and killings can perhaps be "attributed" Dem leadership in cities and states, please tell us how Blue the "Dem" Mayor of Oklahoma City and "Dem" Governor of Oklahoma were in 1995 when Repub Avenger Timothy McVeigh killed all those people.This is funny. You're pigeonholing me in accordance with your "Democrat good, Republican Bad" philosophy. I don't belove any of those people.
I don't like Donald Trump. I believe Pena is a nut case. And people who forcibly entered the Capitol on January 6 should be prosecuted.
You probably agree with me about Pena and the mob on January 6, so you're trying divert. If not you're paranoid about the incidents. Pena's gang literally couldn't shoot straight. And any Proud Boys or others who intended to overturn the election on January 6 were on a fools errand. Thankfully the Capitol police did a great job, only killing one trespasser. And based on the videos, the policeman who shot Ashli Babbitt was justified. Most of us would have done the same if in his shoes.
Again, the number of deaths from right wing terrorist attacks have been insignificant compared to the number of violent deaths. There was McVeigh (168 deaths). Then the El Paso shootings (23 deaths). None of the others, during the history of the USA, have resulted in over 10 or 11 deaths. Now McVeigh was probably a racist, and preoccupied with 2nd amendment rights. But his stated reasons for attack look like they came from the left:
https://www.foxnews.com/story/mcveighs-apr-26-letter-to-fox-news
The ACLU would agree with those concerns. So would I. Historically more Democrats than Republicans have worried about overly aggressive police behavior. Certainly McVeigh had a screw lose to do what he did. And unfortunately the military training to pull it off.
Getting back to the 2nd amendment, if you and I lived in, say, Australia or the UK, our thinking about gun control would probably be similar. But we don't. We live in the United States of America, and we have the 2nd amendment. I live in an area where gun ownership is common. And based on the attitudes of my friends, I can tell you that if you start taking away their guns, you're going to have McVeigh times 1000. You could end up with a real insurrection.
Democratic politicians are hyper focused on right wing terrorism and semi automatic assault weapons. Why? Because it's in their political interests. These issues are insignificant compared to the number of deaths, about 35,000 or 40,000 annually, where people kill others or themselves with handguns. Democratic (and Republican) politicians don't seem to be too concerned about that. All many of the politicians care about are the votes. They don't focus on the real problems.
I'll close with words, as I remember them, from one of the wisest people to post on this site, Jackson. I'm paraphrasing because I don't remember exactly what he wrote. The reason we've never seen something like the Holocaust or the deaths and persecutions of many in the Soviet Union is because the citizenry is armed. He actually said it much better than that. Now I don't think I necessarily agree with him. But I see his point. And his words did change my beliefs about the 2nd amendment, perhaps from what yours are, to what mine are today.
Tiny 12:
Democratic politicians are hyper focused on right wing terrorism and semi automatic assault weapons. Why? Because it's in their political interests. These issues are insignificant compared to the number of deaths, about 35,000 or 40,000 annually, where people kill others or themselves with handguns. Democratic (and Republican) politicians don't seem to be too concerned about that. All many of the politicians care about are the votes. They don't focus on the real problems.Good lord. Are you now downplaying to the point of shrugging off your beloved winger domestic terrorism along with a lament that the poor fellers just aren't good enough shots to kill all that many Americans anyway while blaming your enemy Dem politicians for all the gun deaths by better shots because they haven't spent more time trying to ban HANDGUNS in America?
Seriously?
Here is why Dem politicians are hyper focused on rightwing terrorism; because it poses the greatest domestic terrorism threat:
DHS draft document: White supremacists are greatest terror threat.
The documents are slightly different drafts of the same annual threat assessment, which is not yet published.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236
Here is why Dem politicians are hyper focused on semi-automatic assault weapons; because any numbskull can shoot and kill dozens of people really fast without reloading. Oh, and while a typical armed security or police force must stop to reload at about half those shots:
Emboldened Biden, Dems push ban on so-called assault weapons
https://apnews.com/article/biden-gun-violence-colorado-shootings-f85b4b9a59e3852868950d797f79a351
Now, I suppose putting more semi and especially fully automatic weapons in the hands of winger numbskulls, as is the hyper focused goal and dream of your beloved Repubs, will certainly improve their chances of eventually hitting more human body targets and lessen your concern that they "can't shoot straight. " Is that what bothers you so much about those evil, political opportunist Dems' hyper focus on trying to keep a few assault weapons out of the hands of a few rightwing terrorist numbskulls?
If you're concerned about the rules, maybe you should stop VIOLATING them.
It is against the rules to discourage others from posting on ISG!!
Rules for me but not for thee?Says the guy with more DELETED posts by Admin than almost any other BM posting here, save perhaps Elvis! (...kkkkkk!)
Here you go! I believe this is what your looking for:
General Rules | Copyrighted Material | Posting Guidelines | Photo Guidelines
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=ForumRules
Says the guy with more DELETED posts by Admin than almost any other BM posting here, save perhaps Elvis! (...kkkkkk!)
Here you go! I believe this is what your looking for:
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http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=ForumRules"Shoetroll" who does nothing other than roaming the site spewing the same tired vitriol looking to stir shit up just to get a reaction out of others. Don't know why he hasn't been banned already as he contributes absolutely nothing of value.
I can't read your Nazi gun toting kid link. But I'd guess a higher percentage of child murderers live in blue counties and cities, than red ones. At least that's true of adult murderers. The probability you or I will be whacked some day by a Nazi gun toting kid, or adult, is very, very low.
Aside: If you look at data on a statewide basis, you may think murder rates are higher among Republicans. This however is not the case. Rather its Simpsons paradox at work.
Link correction, without the extra forum "bolding" notation syntax:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/us/newport-news-virginia-shooting/index.html
BTW, both child gun toting stories were from red states. And w/r to crime ridden states, just back check this forum for the answer to that question. I'll give you a clue, it's red states.
MarquisdeSade1
01-18-23, 23:44
https://dailystormer.in/china-says-rules-based-order-means-america-spreads-disaster-and-steals-resources/
Elvis 2008
01-19-23, 00:30
If Donnie the Dumbass hadn't lied about COVID, it may not have had an effect because, after all, there are a lot of really stupid Repubs who would have done what they wanted anyway. But given that the majority of Jan 6th defendants used the "Trump made me do it" defense, I think a lot of those idiots would have paid attention and done what Donnie the Dumbass told them to do.The whole world was hit by Covid and somehow everything is the fault of Trump first and now it is Republicans. Tell me PVM. When does your binary view of the world stop? Do you make decisions on toothpaste in a red-blue, Democrat good, Republican bad manner? So now that Covid is going on its third year now, you still not have given up. You have gone from we didn't stop it to we could have stopped it. Your NYT theory about good government policies stopping the virus are shot to shit right now. Wake up. No country was spared.
China didn't create the virus except in your mind. Period. COVID is not a cold virus or a flu virus. Period. It was not made in a lab. Period.And here we go again with a twist. Now it is China good, Republican bad. Dude, you are not even an American anymore. You think who someone votes for is more revealing about their character than anything they do. You are so messed up in the head. Why don't you go live in China instead of trying to make the USA into it? You would be much happier. There is one party and you just think that whatever they do is perfect. That is so right up in your alley.
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