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Elvis 2008
01-19-23, 01:08
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/joe-biden-classified-documents/2023/01/16/id/1104651/
Why not shred them?
Why not put them in the fireplace?
Why not tear them up and flush down the toilet?
Why not put them in a folder in the east wing somewhere?
Ala remember the docs found in Bubbas White House residency?
There's an agenda, some type of psyops.
A diversion from Joe and Hunters crime spree??
I can't come up with a motive, but rest assured there is one.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/joe-biden-classified-documents/2023/01/16/id/1104651/MDS, when you deal with federal law, the laws are so opaque and far reaching, you are always going to be breaking some law, and one of the easiest laws to break, and one of the stupidest, is this classified documents fiasco because anyone who has access to them can just misplace them and it is a felony that can be traced back to Trump or Biden.
And given that being the case, is there any chance someone on the inside could be turned by the bureaucrats and have moved said documents? After the Russiagate and FISA fiasco, anyone who thinks the bureaucracy is not capable of dong this needs to get a clue.
So now we have two special counsels and the AG of our country deciding who the nominees are going to be in 2024, and another one of our so called rights, the right to choose who we want as president has been shot. The bureaucracy has come out from behind the curtain, and they have told us we are going to choose who is president not you.
Schumer said it. He said the bureaucracy has "six ways to Sunday" to shoot anyone down who defies them. So I guess it is our privilege to vote for the bureaucracy and give them money versus expecting them to work for us.
So China has these lab techs go to a cave in China to study bat viruses and corona viruses, and they found several and yet there was one nasty virus and several of the techs got sick, and the older of the techs died. So this virus had the same course of Covid, and that virus genetically was 96.2% similar to our friend Covid. So we can take that sample and see how easy it would be to turn that naturally occurring virus into the more contagious form of Covid that has infected the world right? Easy. Peasy.
But you know what happened? China ran out of the sample. There was nothing left of that sample. It is gone. Bye. Bye.
But what about going back to the cave and seeing if you can find more? Nah, you cannot do that. China has made that cave off limits for your safety don't you know.
By pulling this stunt, the world does not get how a bioweapon like Covid was created. The sad part about Covid is how cheaply and easily it can be produced.
So this is my frustration. The Democratic douches care more about winning an empty prize than about the future of our country. The bureaucracy literally brought us Covid and all that went with it, and the Dems are so stupid they blame Trump and swear the virus occurred in nature. Is there any evidence the virus occurred naturally? No, but these dummies are like, "Well, if you guys say it was natural, duh, that is fine with us. ".
So yeah, it is no surprise for you to be questioning what is going on. Republicans actually care about fair elections, but you know what the Dems are doing. What Biden did was a little wrong but what Trump did was so, so, so, so much worse. They do not care if the bureaucracy picks who is president as long as the bureaucracy picks a Democrat.
Link correction, without the extra forum "bolding" notation syntax:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/us/newport-news-virginia-shooting/index.html
BTW, both child gun toting stories were from red states. And w/r to crime ridden states, just back check this forum for the answer to that question. I'll give you a clue, it's red states.Virginia isn't a red state.
And most murders happen in blue (or rather black) cities, regardless of whether the state is blue, purple or red.
"Shoetroll" who does nothing other than roaming the site spewing the same tired vitriol looking to stir shit up just to get a reaction out of others. Don't know why he hasn't been banned already as he contributes absolutely nothing of value.My bad, I stand corrected!
Yep, you are correct. Head troll, Sh**Br** is numero uno overall. But this thread does have it's fair share of challengers, for the top/head position.
MDS, when you deal with federal law, the laws are so opaque and far reaching, you are always going to be breaking some law, and one of the easiest laws to break, and one of the stupidest, is this classified documents fiasco because anyone who has access to them can just misplace them and it is a felony that can be traced back to Trump or Biden.Absolutely. I'm staring right now at a book, "Three Felonies a Day, How the Feds Target the Innocent", about exactly that.
So China has these lab techs go to a cave in China to study bat viruses and corona viruses, and they found several and yet there was one nasty virus and several of the techs got sick, and the older of the techs died. So this virus had the same course of Covid, and that virus genetically was 96.2% similar to our friend Covid. So we can take that sample and see how easy it would be to turn that naturally occurring virus into the more contagious form of Covid that has infected the world right? Easy. Peasy.
But you know what happened? China ran out of the sample. There was nothing left of that sample. It is gone. Bye. Bye.
But what about going back to the cave and seeing if you can find more? Nah, you cannot do that. China has made that cave off limits for your safety don't you know.
By pulling this stunt, the world does not get how a bioweapon like Covid was created. The sad part about Covid is how cheaply and easily it can be produced.While I may disagree with you from time to time, I've got to admit you're gifted with street smarts and the ability to think out of the box, much more so than I am. This is an example. I've used that argument, about the 96.2%, to try to tell people that the issue of whether the virus is manmade is unsettled. I hadn't thought about whether the genome of the bat virus might have been faked. Still I don't think this is settled. Fauci believes the virus was probably entirely a product of nature, while Robert Redfield believes it was manmade. I don't know nearly as much about this as those two gentlemen and others who are on both sides of this debate, so remain an agnonstic.
So yeah, it is no surprise for you to be questioning what is going on. Republicans actually care about fair elections, but you know what the Dems are doing. What Biden did was a little wrong but what Trump did was so, so, so, so much worse. They do not care if the bureaucracy picks who is president as long as the bureaucracy picks a Democrat.What I don't get is why Democratic politicians fight measures tooth and nail that would help convince Republicans of the integrity of elections. No unattended drop boxes, and better verification for mail in ballots for example. Admittedly, the changes are going to have very little effect on the outcome of elections. But so what. Over 40% of America believes, incorrectly, that Biden lost the election. That's a big deal.
All evidence and data supports that "It's Morning In America" after a historic recovery from the lastest and, worldwide, biggest Repub-initiated economic downturn due to Trump ignoring all dire expert warnings not to do something so stupid and dangerous as to lay the foundation for and create Trump's Pandemic, which, predictably, destroyed global supply-chains, wiped out millions upon millions of jobs, plunged worldwide economies into a near two year paralysis, etc.
And, considering the depth and breadth of this particular Great Repub Downturn, "Morning" has arrived in relative record time!
Thanks, Joe.
Insana says the case is clear that inflation is over
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/13/insana-says-the-case-is-clear-that-inflation-is-over.html
Since the inflation debate began raising toward the end of the pandemic, I have made the case that inflation, as the Federal Reserve first suggested, would be transitory.
Transitory never was intended to suggest that a burst of inflation would last only a couple months.
Historically, notwithstanding the 1970s and 80s, post war/pandemic inflations lasted a couple years before turning substantially lower and sometimes careening back into a bout of deflation.
There is a gathering amount of data to support that position despite the Fed, and many other economists, persistently worrying about an emergent wage/price spiral instead.
The data, to date, simply dont support those concerns and have been convincingly bolstering the case for a disruptive, but temporary, burst of inflation, the likes of which we have seen after other catastrophic events, like major global conflicts, and/or, prior pandemics.
Lets look at the supporting data.
*See link*US inflation eases grip on economy, falling for a 6th month
https://apnews.com/article/december-2022-inflation-report-72bb938a443ab0500bd72d23f62214ad
Now, let's see if a tiny handful of House Repubs in the Pink Tinkle dare to break with the longstanding Repub tradition of seizing upon any and every opportunity presented to them to Crash the USA Economy and Wipe Out Millions of Jobs or to simply outright produce their own opportunity to do so and this time not do something exceedingly stupid and dangerous regarding the upcoming Debt Ceiling vote.
And w/r to crime ridden states, just back check this forum for the answer to that question. I'll give you a clue, it's red states.Are you referring to homicides, specifically the Third Way piece that came out in 2022? If so, the correct answer is that the weighted average homicide rate in blue cities or counties is higher than in red cities or counties, while the average rate in red states is higher than in blue states. But looking at the data by state is very deceiving. You've been misled by the same type of faulty analysis that has enabled antivaxxers to correctly state that the population in Israel and parts of the United Kingdom who are vaccinated die at higher rates from COVID than the unvaccinated.
You have to segment the data to see the truth. In the case of homicide rates, you need to segment by county or city. In the case of the vaccine, it's by age group. When you do that, you'll see that homicide rates overall are higher in counties and cities controlled by Democrats, and that the COVID vaccine is effective in preventing severe disease across all age groups.
If you're interested, this effect is called Simpson's Paradox. This explains it in more detail.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson%27s_paradox
Good lord. Are you now downplaying to the point of shrugging off your beloved winger domestic terrorism along with a lament that the poor fellers just aren't good enough shots to kill all that many Americans anyway while blaming your enemy Dem politicians for all the gun deaths by better shots because they haven't spent more time trying to ban HANDGUNS in America?
Seriously?
Here is why Dem politicians are hyper focused on rightwing terrorism; because it poses the greatest domestic terrorism threat:
DHS draft document: White supremacists are greatest terror threat.
The documents are slightly different drafts of the same annual threat assessment, which is not yet published.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236
Here is why Dem politicians are hyper focused on semi-automatic assault weapons; because any numbskull can shoot and kill dozens of people really fast without reloading. Oh, and while a typical armed security or police force must stop to reload at about half those shots:
Emboldened Biden, Dems push ban on so-called assault weapons
https://apnews.com/article/biden-gun-violence-colorado-shootings-f85b4b9a59e3852868950d797f79a351
Now, I suppose putting more semi and especially fully automatic weapons in the hands of winger numbskulls, as is the hyper focused goal and dream of your beloved Repubs, will certainly improve their chances of eventually hitting more human body targets and lessen your concern that they "can't shoot straight. " Is that what bothers you so much about those evil, political opportunist Dems' hyper focus on trying to keep a few assault weapons out of the hands of a few rightwing terrorist numbskulls?We've wasted a few trillion dollars and killed a lot of people with the war on foreign-grown terror. Now why don't we do the same thing for domestic terrorists! The Democrats can go after the Republican terrorists and the gun owners when they're in power and vice versa. No more Proud Boys or Antifa! Yeah! Put all the Republicans in jail! Or all the Democrats, depending on your political leaning. Clean up America! Let's have a Civil War, like the one between the Liberals and the Conservatives that lasted for decades in Colombia! That's the ticket!
MarquisdeSade1
01-19-23, 05:55
"Shoetroll" who does nothing other than roaming the site spewing the same tired vitriol looking to stir shit up just to get a reaction out of others. Don't know why he hasn't been banned already as he contributes absolutely nothing of value.Than engage me or go play with your butthole somewhere else you worthless fecal freak!!
Correct. Everyone on earth cares about money. But Gaetz doesn't need to spend all his time running around fundraising a few thousand here and there because he's already worth tens of millions. It's called Fuck you money. Pretty easy concept to get one's head round, even for you.Fuck you money?
1. he's not worth "tens of millions. " His estimated net worth was $312,006 in 2018. Since he hasn't released a financial disclosure since 2016, this is the best number we have.
https://www.opensecrets.org/personal-finances/matt-gaetz/net-worth?cid=N00039503
2. Gaetz raised $6. 3 million in the last 2 years.
Yeah, fuck you money indeed!
3. But your theory that Gaetz's family pays for his political career is also funny as hell. I would expect a 40-year old lawyer to do a little better.
But, yeah, sure, fuck you money, why not?
And please, for the love of god stop bugging me with your dumb questions about Trump's net worth. I'm not his accountant. Presidents are not supposed to be making any money at all while in office, although no rules have ever applied to this fucknut.
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What I don't get is why Democratic politicians fight measures tooth and nail that would help convince Republicans of the integrity of elections. No unattended drop boxes, and better verification for mail in ballots for example.Hmm. Why indeed?
Presidents are not supposed to be making any money at all while in office.Nor are senators or vice presidents. And yet Joe Biden has become extremely rich despite never having a job other than those three. How do you think he managed that?
(Clue: Ten percent for the Big Guy!
P.S. To answer the question you are unwilling to address, the recently released Trump financial records, which the Democrats breached his civil rights to put out, show that Trump's net worth has decreased since he ran for president. That's probably why the fake news stopped talking about them.
All evidence and data supports that "It's Morning In America" after a historic recovery from the lastest and, worldwide, biggest Repub-initiated economic downturn due to Trump ignoring all dire expert warnings not to do something so stupid and dangerous as to lay the foundation for and create Trump's Pandemic, which, predictably, destroyed global supply-chains, wiped out millions upon millions of jobs, plunged worldwide economies into a near two year paralysis, etc.
And, considering the depth and breadth of this particular Great Repub Downturn, "Morning" has arrived in relative record time!
Thanks, Joe.
Insana says the case is clear that inflation is over
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/13/insana-says-the-case-is-clear-that-inflation-is-over.html
US inflation eases grip on economy, falling for a 6th month
https://apnews.com/article/december-2022-inflation-report-72bb938a443ab0500bd72d23f62214ad
Now, let's see if a tiny handful of House Repubs in the Pink Tinkle dare to break with the longstanding Repub tradition of seizing upon any and every opportunity presented to them to Crash the USA Economy and Wipe Out Millions of Jobs or to simply outright produce their own opportunity to do so and this time not do something exceedingly stupid and dangerous regarding the upcoming Debt Ceiling vote.Thank you President Biden and Democratic Congressmen for approving spending that will result in $4. 8 trillion of new borrowing! And thank you for passing the $1. 9 trillion American Rescue Plan, which helped bring inflation to the USA before other countries! Perhaps the workingman is 2% worse off in terms of purchasing power than he was when Biden took office. And perhaps the majority of economists believe we’ll go into a recession this year. But now month-on-month inflation is down! And bad, bad Republicans, for wanting to do anything about a public debt to GDP ratio that's over 100% and still climbing! Bad, bad President Trump for creating the Trump Virus and spreading it all over the world!
Morning has arrived!
Can I just sleep in?
https://www.crfb.org/blogs/biden-administration-has-approved-48-trillion-new-borrowing
Trump took the virus a lot more seriously than the dem doofuses in the early days. You'll recall he banned flights from China in January 2020, while Crazy Nancy Pelosi was out on the streets of San Francisco hugging chinamen while stepping over human poop and junkies (the only human contact she gets, judging by her husband's night-time activities with young men in the family home). Biden's handlers issued a statement condemning the ban as "racist" (of course), and the fake news media echoed it as always.
I wonder if the loopy leftists think the democrat plan to allow Chinese flights to operate as normal would have made the covid situation better? The funny thing is, they probably do.Donnie the Dumbass didn't ban flights from China. He "restricted them". In fact, Donnie the Dumbass didn't ban flights from Hong Kong or Macao. So let me ask you this. Do you think that people from Hong Kong and / or Macao have never visited Wuhan? That they have no relatives in Wuhan who may have visited them? What about Chinese citizens who traveled to Europe and then on the the US? Did Donnie the Dumbass ban them? Nope. Do you think that they could have been carrying COVID?
But supporters of Donnie the Dumbass always bring up his "ban that wasn't". I wonder why that is? Maybe because Donnie the Dumbass said he "banned" flights from China and you believed him? Or that rightwingnut media said that Donnie the Dumbass "banned" flights from China and you believed them? If Donnie's supporters had the brains they think they have, they'd have already figured this shit out. But they don't. And they haven't. All they ever do is call the media that tries to report the truth "fake news". Except, of course, to classify all "facts" that say otherwise as "lies".
Just watch. Chrissie will call the following source "lies" or "fake news" or some other BS because it is by a reputable news organization, the AP. He'll probably also claim that no rightwingnut media organization has said the same thing so AP must be wrong and rightwingnut media must be right. https://apnews.com/article/asia-pacific-anthony-fauci-pandemics-politics-ap-fact-check-d227b34b168e576bf5068b92a03c003d.
Thank you President Biden and Democratic Congressmen for approving spending that will result in $4. 8 trillion of new borrowing! And thank you for passing the $1. 9 trillion American Rescue Plan, which helped bring inflation to the USA before other countries! Perhaps the workingman is 2% worse off in terms of purchasing power than he was when Biden took office. And perhaps the majority of economists believe well go into a recession this year. But now month-on-month inflation is down! And bad, bad Republicans, for wanting to do anything about a public debt to GDP ratio that's over 100% and still climbing! Bad, bad President Trump for creating the Trump Virus and spreading it all over the world!
Morning has arrived!
Can I just sleep in?
https://www.crfb.org/blogs/biden-administration-has-approved-48-trillion-new-borrowingOh, so the workingman is "2% worse off", is he? Not the million upon millions whose jobs Trump wiped out with his typically horrific Repub economic stewardship, which Joe and the Dems recovered and created.
Nor for the millions more around the world when the result of that typically horrific Repub economic stewardship produced Trump's Pandemic and crashed global supply-chains.
Nor, for that matter, for the 1 million FEWER workingman jobs that were created by Trump's Repub Tax Cuts and Jobs Act than were created without it along with not one single percentage point increase in GDP growth even before Trump's typically horrific Repub stewardship produced Trump's Pandemic. And to the tune of $1. 5 Trillion - $2. 5 Trillion flushed down the shitter never to be seen again.
And it was brilliant for Joe and the Dems to jam in as much stimulus in the right places and in the right way as patriotic congressional votes would allow in order to get the first order of business going and recovered ASAP, that would be "The Economy Stupid", so it would be even easier for the world to get those Repub-crashed supply-chains off their butts and back in the game ASAP while the strongest national economy on the planet took the earliest Transitory spike in inflation hit in stride, barely suffering a blip on the enthusiastic American consumer spending screen.
That's where heavy lifting is required for these things; in figuring out where the recovery spending will produce the best Real World results possible under the circumstances, as Dems invariably will figure out. Any Repub numbskull can and will come up with some idiotic way to flush $1. 5 Trillion - $2. 5 Trillion down the shitter with zero if not less positive economic gain to show for it. There is no heavy lifting required to do that.
Thanks, Joe Biden. You had the right idea for how to do it quickly, efficiently and with the least amount of prolonged inflation pain possible. Sorry, Larry Summers. You had the wrong idea for how to do that, if you considered that Real World aspect of it at all.
As for the recession that was supposed to be deep and disastrous ever since Biden took office but has yet to materialize enough for anyone to notice but oh will most certainly happen "someday", as so many guessing economists have boldly predicted, yep, the Pink Tinkle House Republicans are poised to work their typically horrific economic stewardship magic on their now greatest opportunity to again plunge America and the rest of the world into another historic Great Repub Crash. It depends on what those deadbeat QAnon Repub Loons do about paying the bills their previous Great Repub Crash cost us.
Time will tell how much damage they do with it. Another Great Repub Crash is a distinct possibility if not a probability. After all, producing those is pretty much the only thing Repubs do for a living. Well, for their government pay, that is. Drag Queen cabaret acts and conning Repub hillbillies out of large chunks of their entitlement checks are their jobs on the side.
Elvis 2008
01-20-23, 01:33
It explains why the Washington deep state (media / democrats / alphabet agencies / military industrial complex) were so desperate to get President Trump out of office that they rigged the election. He was the first president in 40 years not to start any new wars, so he was eating into their profits and power.
Also shows you just how moronic some of the pro-Biden useful idiots on this forum are. They probably consider themselves some kind of heroic rebel figure, whereas in reality they are shilling against the majority of the American people and businesses, and for war and death.Truth is I was a little tired of Trump's personality and having to dominate every headline but I lived it with because of his policies. And of course, the big thing I could always point to with Trump is that he did not start any wars. For all the venom people spewed at him, I would ask, "What he has done that is so fucking terrible?" The absolute worst was when these dumb Dems would go on about how Trump made GW Bush look good. That is when I had known they had lost their minds.
A buddy of mine in shipping told me from the day Biden was sworn into office shipments of things needed to fight a war went up by a gigantic amount under the title of humanitarian aid. So I knew with Biden that wars were going to happen. The fucker was planning on it. When you voted for Biden, you were voting for war. When you voted for Trump, you were voting for peace. And maybe that is why the bureaucrats wanted Trump gone so bad.
Hmm. Why indeed?Good one!
I'm pretty sure Eihtooms is a satirist. His apparently unintentional hilarity is so brilliantly layered that I can hardly believe it could be real.ROTFLMAO! That would explain a lot. Tooms is no dummy, but damn, the flowery picture he paints of the Democratic Party and its infallibility is way over the top.
Elvis 2008
01-20-23, 02:25
While I may disagree with you from time to time, I've got to admit you're gifted with street smarts and the ability to think out of the box, much more so than I am. This is an example. I've used that argument, about the 96.2%, to try to tell people that the issue of whether the virus is manmade is unsettled. I hadn't thought about whether the genome of the bat virus might have been faked. Still I don't think this is settled. Fauci believes the virus was probably entirely a product of nature, while Robert Redfield believes it was manmade. I don't know nearly as much about this as those two gentlemen and others who are on both sides of this debate, so remain an agnonstic.
Oh, I do not know how anyone can be agnostic when you know the facts. Lab leak theory is simple. China was messing around with making a newly found Coronavirus more lethal and had previously bragged about its creation of bioweapons. They mix in Pangolin DNA, as pangolin lung receptors are pretty much identical to ours, into the newly found Corona virus. They create this super potent virus, and it is so potent that normal precautions fail and the first people who got sick were lab workers, and the virus spread. Lab leaks happen all the time, and someone who studies the numbers on lab leaks said that we had a high percentage of a pandemic from a lab leak.
Now you have the naturally occurring theory. This corona virus does not infect bats so the whole sick and rabid vampire bite thing does not apply. On top of that, pangolin roll themselves up in a ball and are hard to bite as their shell is so tough. And this original coronavirus was spread through respiratory droplets. So we have some animal presumably a bat who hangs over the head of a pangolin long enough to infect it or maybe the pangolin crawled deep into that bat cave and inhaled the virus that way. I am not sure a pangolin could even get into that cave, but the virus mutates in Pangolin X to the point the new and deadlier form of Coronavirus is made. And amazingly you could not have designed a more infectious and deadly form. And now Pangolin X for some reason walks 900 miles from the bat cave in China close to the Wuhan lab and wet market. It makes it this 900 miles even though it is sick and somehow does not infect any other species including humans along the way. Now near the Wuhan wet market and lab there and only there it infects dozens of people and starts the pandemic. Oh and by the way, no one has seen or caught this pangolin or any pangolin like it. And there is no evidence that this happened but if you do not believe this theory, which is really a fucking fairy tale, then Fauci et al think you are a conspiracy theory whack job nut.
So in my world, the only rational people who believe the naturally occurring theory are those who create deadly viruses in labs and the saps they were able to fool. I get that a person may not know but they should know if they have all the facts.
Nor are senators or vice presidents. And yet Joe Biden has become extremely rich despite never having a job other than those three. How do you think he managed that?
(Clue: Ten percent for the Big Guy!
P.S. To answer the question you are unwilling to address, the recently released Trump financial records, which the Democrats breached his civil rights to put out, show that Trump's net worth has decreased since he ran for president. That's probably why the fake news stopped talking about them.Are you done with your self-contradictory BS about that Trumpist POS named Gaetz? Thank you.
Let's move to Biden, then.
Biden's fortune came between his political appointments, from 2017 to 2021, but you already know that, don't you? He got rich from books and lectures. I have no idea what "10%" you're blabbering about.
Trump, on the other hand, went to WH with an INTENTION to further enrich himself. That it didn't work out the way he wanted to, thank his Dumb and Dumber split personality disorder, but it wasn't from the lack of trying.
Even then, there is a matter of his other frauds: $250 million he scammed from his moronic supporters to "fight the steal", $100 million for the "Save America" PAC and who knows what else. Sure, sure, it's not his money technically, wink-wink.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-08-26/republican-party-donald-trump-fundraising
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-23/jan-6-report-says-donald-trump-s-stop-the-steal-funds-diverted-in-rip-off
MarquisdeSade1
01-20-23, 04:50
We've wasted a few trillion dollars and killed a lot of people with the war on foreign-grown terror. Now why don't we do the same thing for domestic terrorists! The Democrats can go after the Republican terrorists and the gun owners when they're in power and vice versa. No more Proud Boys or Antifa! Yeah! Put all the Republicans in jail! Or all the Democrats, depending on your political leaning. Clean up America! Let's have a Civil War, like the one between the Liberals and the Conservatives that lasted for decades in Colombia! That's the ticket!Let's have a Civil War.
I want to be the 1st to sign up!!
MarquisdeSade1
01-20-23, 04:52
Good one!
ROTFLMAO! That would explain a lot. Tooms is no dummy, but damn, the flowery picture he paints of the Democratic Party and its infallibility is way over the top.Bangkok Bob (ala Baghdad Bob).
Thank you President Biden and Democratic Congressmen for approving spending that will result in $4. 8 trillion of new borrowing! And thank you for passing the $1. 9 trillion American Rescue Plan, which helped bring inflation to the USA before other countries! Perhaps the workingman is 2% worse off in terms of purchasing power than he was when Biden took office. And perhaps the majority of economists believe well go into a recession this year. But now month-on-month inflation is down! And bad, bad Republicans, for wanting to do anything about a public debt to GDP ratio that's over 100% and still climbing! Bad, bad President Trump for creating the Trump Virus and spreading it all over the world!
Morning has arrived!
Can I just sleep in?
https://www.crfb.org/blogs/biden-administration-has-approved-48-trillion-new-borrowingNo, sir, no you most definitely may not.
Biden's new spending is going to work for all Americans, while Trump's Welfare for Billionaires Tax Reform has done absolutely nothing for anyone who is not, well, a billionaire.
Well, OK, OK, so millionaires too have benefited some. Happy?
When Republicans finally find the courage to say out loud that Trump's tax reform was a wasteful never-ending Christmas gift to people who didn't and don't need it, I might start buying their "fiscal responsibility" shtick again. Until then, they're cowards and hypocrites.
"Thanks to the prior administration and our scientific community, America was one of the first countries to get the vaccine. "
-- Joseph R. Biden
"I think the (Trump) administration deserves credit for getting this off the ground with Operation Warp Speed. This gives us great hope. "
-- Joseph R. Biden.
"The Operation Warp Speed, for which I give a great deal of credit to secretary Azar, was an effort that many of us were not initially convinced was going to be necessary and it was thought about as a Manhattan Project. Those words were used sometimes to describe what needed to happen in order to get all parts of the government together in an unprecedented way to test up to six vaccines in rigorous trials, and to do this at-risk manufacturing so that if any of those trials happen to work, you would already have doses ready to go into arms. That would not be the way things are traditionally done. The fact that two vaccines underwent clinical trials of at least 30,000 people and a rigorous Food and Drug Administration process just 11 months from when the USA first learned about the coronavirus is breathtaking. "
-- Dr. Francis Collins, National Institutes of Health (NIH) Director.
"The Warp Speed project appears to be a dramatic success. Although I've been a frequent critic of this administration, I want to give them credit for organizing this effectively, and delivering a vaccine in a timely way, almost amazing timely way in this pandemic that we face. "
--Senator Dick Durbin, Democratic Senator from Illinois.
"The idea of Operation Warp Speed, and the investment of that amount of money to get that amount of vaccines ready to go, clearly is something that should be given as credit to the Trump administration. There's no doubt about that. "
--Dr. Anthony Fauci.
"This is an unmitigated success, and we should acknowledge that the Moderna vaccine was done with funds from Operation Warp Speed and the Pfizer one has (Warp Speed]) funding when it comes to the distribution and manufacture. And I just think it's important that people working so hard. Get credit for this. And President Trump was the one who OK'd it.To all of the scientists, everyone behind this all the way up to President Trump and Vice President Pence, congratulations on this great accomplishment".
--Jake Tapper, Left Leaning Commentator on CNN.
"The pace of medical innovation has been forever changed. I mean January 11 is when they got the sequence of this virus. By March 16 two months later shots were going into arms as part of these clinical trials. I couldn't believe it when I saw that pace. It typically takes years to really get these vaccines approved. It will be done within a year. So that is worth celebrating. And now we have some early data to be very optimistic about. "
--Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN House doctor, replying to Tapper.
Good one!
ROTFLMAO! That would explain a lot. Tooms is no dummy, but damn, the flowery picture he paints of the Democratic Party and its infallibility is way over the top.Producing and presiding over every major economic recovery, expansion and record high jobs creation and none of the Great Depressions, Great Recessions and Massive Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years is a "flowery picture" of the Democratic Party? I didn't paint it. The Dem Party painted it into reality. It's right there in all the available, verifiable data and evidence.
If the Republican Party ever paints something other than the same Great Depressions, Great Recessions, Massive Jobs Destruction and none of the major economic recoveries, expansions and record high jobs creation they have been producing and presiding over for almost 100 years, the data and evidence will show it without the need for flowers too.
So far, nope, they haven't done it. And there is zero evidence they have the slightest idea or interest in changing that astonishingly consistent pattern anytime soon or in our or our great grandchildrens' lifetimes.
Are you done with your self-contradictory BS about that Trumpist POS named Gaetz? Nope. I already won that argument by explaining to you, slowly and clearly, that not caring about money is not the same as having fuck you money. No point continuing to flog you over a closed matter.
Let's move to Biden, then.
Biden's fortune came between his political appointments, from 2017 to 2021, but you already know that, don't you? He got rich from books and lectures.Of course! How could I forget the Biden publishing sensation! The vast crowds lining up for several city blocks outside bookstores awaiting the midnight release of his latest tome! Apparently he outsold Harry Potter and Fifty Shades of Grey combined with his riveting accounts of senate sub-committees, being ignored by Obama, and not sexually assaulting Tara Reade.
And those lectures! The legendary Biden stadium tour, with scalpers selling tickets for twenty times the original price and hundreds of thousands fighting outside to get a seat! And when they were inside, what an experience it was! The wit, the passion. Not a spectator left without aching ribs. Nary a dry eye in the house.
Of course that's where he got his many, many millions! Nothing to do with his completely unqualified, thrown out of the military, junkie son's dealings in Ukraine and China. Nothing at all.
I have no idea what "10%" you're blabbering about.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11056505/Hunter-Biden-associate-referred-Big-Guy-SECOND-message.html
As for the rest of your anti-Trump verbal diarrhea, the fact is that Trump, unlike his predecessors, became poorer and didn't start any new wars while in office. That tells you all you need to know about why the deep state (military-industrial complex / media / alphabet agency / democrat / RINO) rigged the election against him.
Let's have a Civil War.
I want to be the 1st to sign up!!Probably not too far off. Keep your guns close, powder dry, and get out of democrat cities.
"Thanks to the prior administration and our scientific community, America was one of the first countries to get the vaccine. "
-- Joseph R. Biden
"I think the (Trump) administration deserves credit for getting this off the ground with Operation Warp Speed. This gives us great hope. "
-- Joseph R. Biden.
"The Operation Warp Speed, for which I give a great deal of credit to secretary Azar, was an effort that many of us were not initially convinced was going to be necessary and it was thought about as a Manhattan Project. Those words were used sometimes to describe what needed to happen in order to get all parts of the government together in an unprecedented way to test up to six vaccines in rigorous trials, and to do this at-risk manufacturing so that if any of those trials happen to work, you would already have doses ready to go into arms. That would not be the way things are traditionally done. The fact that two vaccines underwent clinical trials of at least 30,000 people and a rigorous Food and Drug Administration process just 11 months from when the USA first learned about the coronavirus is breathtaking. "".It is admirable how hard some people tried to convince Repubs to ignore their iconic Repub leader's lies about the virus spread he set the foundation for and turned into the Trump's Pandemic it became in all its variations, how he downplayed / lied about it to a ridiculous and deadly dangerous degree, how he spent almost a solid year falsely assuring them and the rest of the world that it was "disappearing", that it "will go away without a vaccine" so nobody need bother ever inventing one or, certainly, taking one if anyone is foolish enough to waste their time and money inventing one, etc, etc, etc and to instead go ahead and get the vaccine shots that would save their lives.
It didn't work all that well though. Trump was so worried everyone would catch on and notice he was the one that required America to swing into action on Obama's Fast Track Vaccine Development programs in the first place he barely even mentioned his silly rebranded name for it, Operation Warp Speed. LOL. He was so certain the unavoidable connection would be made if he referenced it very much, getting boo'd by his well-trained followers for even suggesting getting vaccinated and all that, he only got vaccinated himself to save his own life in near total secrecy! He and Melania.
So the efforts by Biden, Fauci and the others you quoted to woo his numbskull followers into accepting what those Obama Fast Track programs had produced with at least Trump's silly new name for it still did not convince hundreds of thousands of them to find a different way to "Own The Libs" other than choking the last diseased breath out of their own lungs to a horrible death sans those life-saving "Dem" vaccines. "Breathtaking" indeed.
Oh well. At least they tried to save more Repubs' lives. Which is a hell of a lot more than Trump did for them.
"Thanks to the prior administration and our scientific community, America was one of the first countries to get the vaccine. "
-- Joseph R. Biden
"I think the (Trump) administration deserves credit for getting this off the ground with Operation Warp Speed. This gives us great hope. "
-- Joseph R. Biden.
"The Operation Warp Speed, for which I give a great deal of credit to secretary Azar, was an effort that many of us were not initially convinced was going to be necessary and it was thought about as a Manhattan Project. Those words were used sometimes to describe what needed to happen in order to get all parts of the government together in an unprecedented way to test up to six vaccines in rigorous trials, and to do this at-risk manufacturing so that if any of those trials happen to work, you would already have doses ready to go into arms. That would not be the way things are traditionally done. The fact that two vaccines underwent clinical trials of at least 30,000 people and a rigorous Food and Drug Administration process just 11 months from when the USA first learned about the coronavirus is breathtaking. "
-- Dr. Francis Collins, National Institutes of Health (NIH) Director.
"The Warp Speed project appears to be a dramatic success. Although I've been a frequent critic of this administration, I want to give them credit for organizing this effectively, and delivering a vaccine in a timely way, almost amazing timely way in this pandemic that we face. ".Nobody on this forum (or anywhere else for that matter) disputes that Operation Dork Speed assisted in getting the vaccine (which virtually every antivaxxer says is absolutely useless) to market.
What anybody with a brain disputes is that Donnie the Dumbass was the only person who could have pulled it off.
"Contracting COVID-19 does provide protection against future infections, but like the vaccine, the protection fades over time, at roughly the same pace". This quotation is from USA Today.
Gee, the virus that causes COVID mutates. Who knew? {sarcasm alert}.
Here's the rest of the story. https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/often-covid-booster-shot-yearly-110002230.html.
Oh, I do not know how anyone can be agnostic when you know the facts. Lab leak theory is simple. China was messing around with making a newly found Coronavirus more lethal and had previously bragged about its creation of bioweapons. They mix in Pangolin DNA, as pangolin lung receptors are pretty much identical to ours, into the newly found Corona virus. They create this super potent virus, and it is so potent that normal precautions fail and the first people who got sick were lab workers, and the virus spread. Lab leaks happen all the time, and someone who studies the numbers on lab leaks said that we had a high percentage of a pandemic from a lab leak.
Now you have the naturally occurring theory. This corona virus does not infect bats so the whole sick and rabid vampire bite thing does not apply. On top of that, pangolin roll themselves up in a ball and are hard to bite as their shell is so tough. And this original coronavirus was spread through respiratory droplets. So we have some animal presumably a bat who hangs over the head of a pangolin long enough to infect it or maybe the pangolin crawled deep into that bat cave and inhaled the virus that way. I am not sure a pangolin could even get into that cave, but the virus mutates in Pangolin X to the point the new and deadlier form of Coronavirus is made. And amazingly you could not have designed a more infectious and deadly form. And now Pangolin X for some reason walks 900 miles from the bat cave in China close to the Wuhan lab and wet market. It makes it this 900 miles even though it is sick and somehow does not infect any other species including humans along the way. Now near the Wuhan wet market and lab there and only there it infects dozens of people and starts the pandemic. Oh and by the way, no one has seen or caught this pangolin or any pangolin like it. And there is no evidence that this happened but if you do not believe this theory, which is really a fucking fairy tale, then Fauci et al think you are a conspiracy theory whack job nut.
So in my world, the only rational people who believe the naturally occurring theory are those who create deadly viruses in labs and the saps they were able to fool. I get that a person may not know but they should know if they have all the facts.Elvis, Please note there's a distinction between a naturally occurring virus that leaks from a lab and a virus modified through gain of function research that leaks from a lab.
A leaked State Department fact sheet based on US intelligence said several researchers at the Wuhan Lab got sick and were hospitalized with symptoms consistent "with COVID 19 and common season illness." That could be evidence for a possible lab leak.
My wild guess is that the virus came from a lab leak at Wuhan of a naturally occurring bat virus, but that and $2.00 will buy you cup of coffee.
I haven't followed this debate and new evidence over the last year or so, but this paper is part of the reason I'm an agnostic. It's a really interesting read if you can get through the first part of it, and may identify the individuals who were first infected by a virus that mutated into COVID 19.
https://www.independentsciencenews.org/commentaries/a-proposed-origin-for-sars-cov-2-and-the-covid-19-pandemic/
Here's a summary of the paper I wrote back in 2020.
This is fascinating. The first part is dry reading, but you get to the middle of the paper and it reads like a novel. Maybe the Andromeda Strain would be a good analogy.
The authors came across an old Chinese masters thesis, written in 2013, that described six workers who came down with a deadly disease in a mine inhabited by bats. Three of the six died after illnesses. Bat coronaviruses were isolated from the mine. One included a genome sequence, BtCoV /4991, 98.7% identical to SARS-CoV-2, and the other, RaTG13 was 96.2% identical.
The workers had inhaled fumes from the bat guano, deeply. Most cases of Covid 19 are in the upper respiratory tract, but these guys, exposed to high quantities of the virus, ended up with infections in the lower lungs. The authors say that the lower lungs contain 4500 times as much tissue through which the virus can spread than the upper respiratory tract. So what happened was that the virus evolved rapidly, as it spread through the lungs, perhaps compressing 20 to 50 years of evolution into months. So it's very possible one or more of these miners ended up with a virus identical to or very similar to Covid 19. This is the theory the authors favor, although they reference another theory that hypothesizes the virus has been around for years in humans, unrecognized, and evolved during that time before taking off and becoming a pandemic.
The writers believe it's very possible the Wuhan laboratory obtained a sample of the virus that infected the miners, and while studying it one of the researchers became infected. And then the rest would be history.
The Wuhan laboratory has blamed the deaths of the workers on a fungal infection, like histoplasmosis. This is suspicious because other papers (not the masters thesis) written on this incident point towards a coronavirus as more likely responsible for the deaths. These guys did go a long time though before they died, months in a couple of instances, which seems atypical of Covid 19. But on the other hand the mortality rate from people who are sick with histoplasmosis is a lot lower than 50%.
I never could figure out BTW why supposedly you get sicker if you're exposed to a larger quantity of the virus. This paper impressed on me why.
No, sir, no you most definitely may not.I was just being polite. If I want to sleep late, I'm going to sleep late, and there's nothing you can do about it.
Biden's new spending is going to work for all Americans,It didn't work for me. It is helping civil contractors, manufacturers of semiconductors, companies that own the electrical grid, companies that make windmills and solar cells and electric vehicles, and wealthy and upper middle class Americans who buy electric vehicles. The biggest single beneficiary is probably Elon Musk. A lot of Biden's new spending is corporate welfare.
Trump's Welfare for Billionaires Tax Reform has done absolutely nothing for anyone who is not, well, a billionaire.How about the $2000 child tax credit? Corporations that were stashing and investing money overseas brought that money back to the USA, because they now have to pay the "Global Intangible Low Income" (GILTI) tax on foreign earnings. As a result of that, and as a result of lowering the USA corporate tax rate from the highest in the developed world to about average (including corporate income tax levied by the states), our companies have become more competitive on the world stage. Jobs have come back to America. In 2019, a year after the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), for the first time in many years, the lot of the workingman, as measured by real median household income and hourly wages, improve much more than higher income earners.
The USA has the most progressive tax system in the developed world. The TCJA actually made the tax system a bit more progressive, if you measure progressivity based on deciles, the way the OECD did. In reality what happened is that income taxes declined most in percentage terms for people in lower tax brackets. Single filers making $160,000 to $425,000 received only a small cut in their marginal tax rate. And those making over $425,000 saw a percentage decrease in their marginal rate greater than those in the $160,000 to $425,000 range, but less than everyone else.
Now yes, people who make over $425,000 did see their taxes cut in dollar terms more than others. What do you expect when the top 1% pay 38% of the income tax? And when 40% of households, after tax credits, pay no income tax?
When Republicans finally find the courage to say out loud that Trump's tax reform was a wasteful never-ending Christmas gift to people who didn't and don't need it, I might start buying their "fiscal responsibility" shtick again. Until then, they're cowards and hypocrites.Then why didn't Democrats repeal the TCJA when they controlled the presidency, the Senate and the House? Why did no one outside of progressives want to jack the corporate tax rate back up to 35%? Why would you want to repeal some of the provisions like the GILTI tax and 100% expensing of depreciable items? The later actually would result in slightly lower debt as a % of GDP if it's extended, because of its favorable effect on GDP, according to estimates by the Tax Foundation.
I agree with you, Republicans were not fiscally responsible when they controlled government in 2017 and 2018. They should have spent less. And I don't agree with the qualified business income deduction, passed as a part of the TCJA, that benefits large pass through entities with huge amounts of fixed assets and employees, entities like some in the Trump Organization. (All businesses should be treated equally IMHO). But the effect on the national debt is peanuts compared to the huge amount of debt run up by Trump, Biden, Pelosi and Senate Democrats from 2020 onward. The CBO estimated the TCJA would reduce government revenues by $1. 5 trillion, but presently corporate tax revenues exceed what the CBO estimated they would be WITHOUT the TCJA. That might be in part because the TCJA encouraged corporations to bring money back to the USA, and generate income and create jobs here instead of abroad.
Let's have a Civil War.
I want to be the 1st to sign up!!No, no Brother Marquis. I'm convinced that a message of love and redemption and logic will cause our brethren on the left to see the light and change their wicked ways. We must bring the word to them, the word of the Saints. Saint Milton Friedman, Saint Friedrich Hayek, and Saint Ludwig von Mises. Don't take up arms Brother Marquis. Pray for them and for their immortal souls.
ChuchoLoco
01-20-23, 22:38
No, no Brother Marquis. I'm convinced that a message of love and redemption and logic will cause our brethren on the left to see the light and change their wicked ways. We must bring the word to them, the word of the Saints. Saint Milton Friedman, Saint Friedrich Hayek, and Saint Ludwig von Mises. Don't take up arms Brother Marquis. Pray for them and for their immortal souls.It isn't anyone from the left who called for a Civil War, it was this guy who wants to be first in line. I guess he is still a little boy who wants to play army. He can have his one man Civil War and go shoot himself. Civil War and killing is not a joke. Let's get some sense here. Maybe he will cut and paste his way through his Civil War too.
Oh, so the workingman is "2% worse off", is he? Not the million upon millions whose jobs Trump wiped out with his typically horrific Repub economic stewardship, which Joe and the Dems recovered and created.
Nor for the millions more around the world when the result of that typically horrific Repub economic stewardship produced Trump's Pandemic and crashed global supply-chains.
Nor, for that matter, for the 1 million FEWER workingman jobs that were created by Trump's Repub Tax Cuts and Jobs Act than were created without it along with not one single percentage point increase in GDP growth even before Trump's typically horrific Repub stewardship produced Trump's Pandemic. And to the tune of $1. 5 Trillion - $2. 5 Trillion flushed down the shitter never to be seen again....Your reasoning, as usual, assumes Trump caused the pandemic, which doesn't make sense.
Employment increased by 4.8 million from the date TCJA took effect (January, 2018) until COVID started (February, 2020). Employment grew at 1.6% per year, during a period when the working age population actually declined. The unemployment rate declined to levels last seen during the late 1960's. The unemployment rate among blacks and Hispanics may have been the lowest ever. Now was the TCJA the only reason this happened? I doubt it. But it was one of the reasons, and we have continued to reap the benefits. Perhaps that's why Democrats didn't repeal it when they controlled the presidency, House and Senate.
I am glad you've at least modified your $2.5 trillion estimated effect of the TCJA on government revenues (which assumes all the provisions of the act will be extended) to incorporate the CBO's original $1.5 trillion estimate. Which may be on the high end considering revenues from corporate tax rates are where the CBO estimated they'd be WITHOUT the TCJA. See my reply to Xpartan below for more.
Of course! How could I forget the Biden publishing sensation! The vast crowds lining up for several city blocks outside bookstores awaiting the midnight release of his latest tome! Apparently he outsold Harry Potter and Fifty Shades of Grey combined with his riveting accounts of senate sub-committees, being ignored by Obama, and not sexually assaulting Tara Reade.
And those lectures! The legendary Biden stadium tour, with scalpers selling tickets for twenty times the original price and hundreds of thousands fighting outside to get a seat! And when they were inside, what an experience it was! The wit, the passion. Not a spectator left without aching ribs. Nary a dry eye in the house.
Of course that's where he got his many, many millions! Nothing to do with his completely unqualified, thrown out of the military, junkie son's dealings in Ukraine and China. Nothing at all.That's right, nothing to do with Hunter. Nothing at all.
If you have a proof or single shred of evidence that Joe Biden has benefited from anything Hunter allegedly did, bring it up.
Other than that, it doesn't matter how Biden got his money. He could be panhandling on 5th Ave for what I care, as long as he didn't try and generate his wealth while serving the American people.
Unlike Don the Con, who tried in gusto.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11056505/Hunter-Biden-associate-referred-Big-Guy-SECOND-message.htmlI read the article carefully. Provided it's not complete and utter BS, nothing in it suggests that Joe Biden received or was going to receive a kick back from the Chinese. Nothing at all.
Holding "10 for a big guy" can mean literally anything. Most likely, the scheme participants were about to help themselves with that "10".
I mean considering the real and proven facts of mind-blowing corruption in the mafia-like Trump family (for which none of them has paid yet), this Hunter's stuff is really fucking boring.
That's not to say Hunter should get away with it if guilty. Quite the contrary, if he IS guilty, I think he'll find that his father can't and won't help him much. As it's supposed to be the case in a country with restored democracy and rule of law.
As for the rest of your anti-Trump verbal diarrhea, the fact is that Trump, unlike his predecessors, became poorer and didn't start any new wars while in office. That tells you all you need to know blah blah n.Oh yes, that does tell me all I need to know, LOL.
People get poorer for all kinds of reasons including their own stupidity and toxicity.
And why would Donzo start any wars? He was too busy sucking up Vlad the Sledgehammer by capitulating to this nation's mortal enemies.
MarquisdeSade1
01-21-23, 00:49
No, no Brother Marquis. I'm convinced that a message of love and redemption and logic will cause our brethren on the left to see the light and change their wicked ways. We must bring the word to them, the word of the Saints. Saint Milton Friedman, Saint Friedrich Hayek, and Saint Ludwig von Mises. Don't take up arms Brother Marquis. Pray for them and for their immortal souls.Lololol I am not a republican or a democrat, I hate them both (I am an ardent atheist that voted for Bernie and Trump in 2016) I am a pro America-Populist.
But I hate the democrats way more, if there is evil in this world then they will eagerly embrace it, they are EVIL.
Case in point.
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2023/01/20/report-gay-couple-accused-pimping-adopted-sons-local-pedophiles/
But I guess its obvious why the trash on this site hate Breitbart so much.
They don't like them showing stories like this, they prefer they be swept under the rug.
Elvis 2008
01-21-23, 02:03
Elvis, Please note there's a distinction between a naturally occurring virus that leaks from a lab and a virus modified through gain of function research that leaks from a lab.
A leaked State Department fact sheet based on US intelligence said several researchers at the Wuhan Lab got sick and were hospitalized with symptoms consistent "with COVID 19 and common season illness." That could be evidence for a possible lab leak.
My wild guess is that the virus came from a lab leak at Wuhan of a naturally occurring bat virus, but that and $2.00 will buy you cup of coffee.
I haven't followed this debate and new evidence over the last year or so, but this paper is part of the reason I'm an agnostic. It's a really interesting read if you can get through the first part of it, and may identify the individuals who were first infected by a virus that mutated into COVID 19.
The authors came across an old Chinese masters thesis, written in 2013, that described six workers who came down with a deadly disease in a mine inhabited by bats. Three of the six died after illnesses. Bat coronaviruses were isolated from the mine. One included a genome sequence, BtCoV /4991, 98.7% identical to SARS-CoV-2, and the other, RaTG13 was 96.2% identical.Yes, those are the viruses identified, and China claims to have no more of those samples and will not let anyone else in to go to the caves to get them.
From your paper, "This furin site is novel to SARS-CoV-2 compared to its near relatives. The theory also explains the exceptional affinity of the virus spike protein for human receptors, which has also surprised virologists".
The question is where did the perfect furin site come from. There is no evidence of this virus occurring in nature.
And you do not isolate for histoplasmosis. If these workers had the Covid we think of, they would have spread it to health care workers. They had this deadly virus but it stayed with them because the spike proteins on that virus were lousy with regards to transmission.
And it is nothing to modify. Omicron has an even better spike protein than earlier versions of the virus. If you put that spike protein on the older and more deadly versions of Covid, you get a scary as hell mortality rate.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.13.512134v1.full.pdf
And if you use the no-see-um technique you can modify a virus in such a way that you do not leave a fingerprint of what you have done.
So did China have Covid like viruses in its possession? Yes although they initially tried to hide that they did. Were they doing gain of function research in China? Yes. Were they bragging about this research? Yes. Were the first people sick with Covid in Wuhan? Yes. And Wuhan was the site of a gathering of athletes right before the pandemic started. Did you know they did a coronavirus safety drill before the athletes got there? Gee, I wonder why.
If the virus was naturally occurring, the outbreak would have started with those lab tech workers or near the bat cave in which the virus was found.
Then you add in this scumbag Peter Dazsak who spearheaded the initiative to say the virus was naturally occurring, and he declared that anyone who said otherwise was spouting conspiracy theory. The author of that paper wrote Dazsak and he said everyone in his lab believed Covid was man made. Two months later, he writes the article that says Covid is naturally occurring, and Fauci rewards him with a $2 million grant for bullshiting when it comes to his beliefs. And by the way, Dazsak thanks Fauci for pushing the naturally occurring theory. Why? Because that asshole was overseeing and funding the project.
And the one thing that galvanized all the scientists? It was a hatred of Trump. The scientists put all their energy on sticking the virus on Trump and ignoring China's horrific role with creation of the virus.
And to this day, you see douches like PVM and Tooms swearing that all these deaths are on Trump, and China is blameless. It is disgusting, and it makes me wonder what are guys like this getting paid to be so blind to the truth.
Elvis 2008
01-21-23, 02:10
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/biden-administration-finally-admits-its-mistake-canceling-keystone-xl-pipeline
The Biden Administration Finally Admits Its Mistake In Canceling The Keystone XL Pipeline.
At long last, the Biden administration is admitting what experts have always known: reckless energy policies have disastrous consequences. This time, the Department of Energy quietly released a report highlighting the positive economic benefits of developing the Keystone XL pipeline from Canada, an energy project canceled by President Biden in the hours following his inauguration.
Released without a formal announcement, the DOE's report points out that the pipeline would have created between 16,149 and 59,000 jobs and would have had an economic benefit of between $3. 4 and 9. 6 billion. That's no small impact. Yet with one stroke of his pen, Biden slashed the project and instead focused his efforts on costly "green energy" goals. As a result of his executive action, 11,000 pipeline workers were promptly laid off and told to "go to work to make solar panels" instead.
Ah yes, but Biden is the great job creator, right Tooms?
MarquisdeSade1
01-21-23, 03:18
It isn't anyone from the left who called for a Civil War, it was this guy who wants to be first in line. I guess he is still a little boy who wants to play army. He can have his one man Civil War and go shoot himself. Civil War and killing is not a joke. Let's get some sense here. Maybe he will cut and paste his way through his Civil War too.Yes I know the blue team doesn't want a civil war, the red team has a bunch of guns jajajajaja.
https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/more-than-400-million-guns-from-sea-to-shining-sea/
No big surprise the Fed govt wants to confiscate them all jajajaja good luck.
Long live the 2 A!!
All the smart money is on the red team jajajajajaaaaaaa.
Your reasoning, as usual, assumes Trump caused the pandemic, which doesn't make sense.
Employment increased by 4.8 million from the date TCJA took effect (January, 2018) until COVID started (February, 2020). Employment grew at 1.6% per year, during a period when the working age population actually declined. The unemployment rate declined to levels last seen during the late 1960's. The unemployment rate among blacks and Hispanics may have been the lowest ever. Now was the TCJA the only reason this happened? I doubt it. But it was one of the reasons, and we have continued to reap the benefits. Perhaps that's why Democrats didn't repeal it when they controlled the presidency, House and Senate.
I am glad you've at least modified your $2.5 trillion estimated effect of the TCJA on government revenues (which assumes all the provisions of the act will be extended) to incorporate the CBO's original $1.5 trillion estimate. Which may be on the high end considering revenues from corporate tax rates are where the CBO estimated they'd be WITHOUT the TCJA. See my reply to Xpartan below for more.Trump himself did all the simple calculations necessary to reasonably conclude he caused Trump's Pandemic:
https://news.yahoo.com/bob-woodward-stunned-trump-told-091902598.html
Trump, on recorded audio:
"I said, it came out of China, Barron. Pure and simple. It came out of China. And it shouldve been stopped. And to be honest with you, Barron, they shouldve let it be known it was a problem two months earlier ... the world wouldnt have a problem. We could have stopped it easily.Trump says China should have told us about coronavirus. He removed the official meant to do that.
A US epidemiologist was embedded with the Chinese CDC. The Trump administration discontinued the position.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/23/21190713/coronavirus-trump-china-cdc-embed-quick
With the administration planning to discontinue the role, the embed return to the US about five months before China began to see its first Covid-19 cases. Under normal circumstances, the embed likely would have passed information about the novel virus to US officials. Instead, Chinese officials were able for weeks to conceal the virus and the threat it posed, leading to a delay in the worlds response to what was then a matter of great concern and is now a pandemic.If Obama, Hillary, Biden or any other Dem had done what Trump did, every Repub and all typically pro Repub Mainstream Media would be making that exact same reasonable calculation and coming to the exact same sensible conclusion; that the World Leader who pulled that monitor five months before the first cases emerged when a 2 month heads up would have easily prevented the Pandemic from deceloping, and did so against all dire expert warnings not to do something so stupid and dangerous, "caused" the Pandemic.
And on the relatively irrelevant difference between Trump flushing $1. 5 Trillion or $2. 5 Trillion down the shitter in order to produce 1 million FEWER jobs with his Tax Cuts and Jobs Act with it than without it and not one single percentage point increase in GDP growth, I only allowed for that fanciful range in order to keep you from pulling a lame diversionary tactic of cherry picking that relatively irrelevant point to refute as though you found a marble sized gold nugget buried in a Mount Everest of dog shit.
But since I see that generous gesture on my part didn't prevent you from pulling that bit, I will now go back to citing the more realistic amount Trump and his Repubs flushed diwn the shitter with their one and only economic legislation in 4 years other than the panic emergency spending they had to rush to after Trump created Trump's Pandemic; $2. 5+ Trillion.
Yes, those are the viruses identified, and China claims to have no more of those samples and will not let anyone else in to go to the caves to get them.
From your paper, "This furin site is novel to SARS-CoV-2 compared to its near relatives. The theory also explains the exceptional affinity of the virus spike protein for human receptors, which has also surprised virologists".
The question is where did the perfect furin site come from. There is no evidence of this virus occurring in nature.
And you do not isolate for histoplasmosis. If these workers had the Covid we think of, they would have spread it to health care workers. They had this deadly virus but it stayed with them because the spike proteins on that virus were lousy with regards to transmission.
And it is nothing to modify. Omicron has an even better spike protein than earlier versions of the virus. If you put that spike protein on the older and more deadly versions of Covid, you get a scary as hell mortality rate.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.13.512134v1.full.pdf
And if you use the no-see-um technique you can modify a virus in such a way that you do not leave a fingerprint of what you have done.
So did China have Covid like viruses in its possession? Yes although they initially tried to hide that they did. Were they doing gain of function research in China? Yes. Were they bragging about this research? Yes. Were the first people sick with Covid in Wuhan? Yes. And Wuhan was the site of a gathering of athletes right before the pandemic started. Did you know they did a coronavirus safety drill before the athletes got there? Gee, I wonder why.
If the virus was naturally occurring, the outbreak would have started with those lab tech workers or near the bat cave in which the virus was found.
Then you add in this scumbag Peter Dazsak who spearheaded the initiative to say the virus was naturally occurring, and he declared that anyone who said otherwise was spouting conspiracy theory. The author of that paper wrote Dazsak and he said everyone in his lab believed Covid was man made. Two months later, he writes the article that says Covid is naturally occurring, and Fauci rewards him with a $2 million grant for bullshiting when it comes to his beliefs. And by the way, Dazsak thanks Fauci for pushing the naturally occurring theory. Why? Because that asshole was overseeing and funding the project.
And the one thing that galvanized all the scientists? It was a hatred of Trump. The scientists put all their energy on sticking the virus on Trump and ignoring China's horrific role with creation of the virus.
And to this day, you see douches like PVM and Tooms swearing that all these deaths are on Trump, and China is blameless. It is disgusting, and it makes me wonder what are guys like this getting paid to be so blind to the truth.The one thing we agree on is that it's ridiculous to blame Trump.
Furin cleavage sites are uncommon in bat coronaviruses but not unknown. Two bat coronaviruses closely related to MERS, BatCoV-HKU5 and BatCoV-HKU4, have furin cleavage sites.
The mine in China which Latham and Wilson postulate the virus came from is close to northern Laos. Bat viruses have been identified there that have spike sequences enabling them to readily bind to human ACE2, like COVID 19. From the paper below, "We found that the receptor-binding domains of these viruses difer from that of SARS-CoV-2 by only one or two residues at the interface with ACE2, bind more efficiently to the human ACE2 protein than that of the SARS-CoV-2 strain isolated in Wuhan from early human cases, and mediate human ACE2-dependent entry and replication in human cells, which is inhibited by antibodies that neutralize SARS-CoV-2. " They also note the viruses don't have furin cleavage sites in the spike protein. But who's to say either the mine workers weren't infected by another bat virus with a furin cleavage site, or the Wuhan researchers didn't recover a bat virus, at the mine or in a cave, that was COVID 19? Or the explanation favored by Latham and Wilson, the furin cleavage site evolved in the lungs of one of the mine workers. Here's the paper about Laos.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04532-4.pdf
Latham and Wilson apparently believe histoplasmosis was a cover story, concocted by the Wuhan lab. If the Chinese knew they might have a tiger by the tail, they would have been taking precautions to prevent infection of health care workers. Good point though, why didn't the virus seep out into the general population, and why didn't we have a pandemic before 2020.
Yes you can modify a virus without leaving a fingerprint. But why would you do that? I don't buy the theory that the Chinese military was trying to engineer some kind of weapon at Wuhan.
As to your comment, "Yes, those are the viruses identified, and China claims to have no more of those samples and will not let anyone else in to go to the caves to get them," that sounds like a strategy for a cover up that could be applied to either a leak of a naturally occurring or engineered virus.
As to "Omicron has an even better spike protein than earlier versions of the virus," please note this, from Latham's blog, about the explanation favored by most virologists for how COVID variants like Alpha, Delta and Omicron emerged.
"Long incubation inside a single infected patient allowed evolution to occur at an unusually rapid pace, leading ultimately to the creation of radically different versions of SARS-CoV-2. Eventually, these patients transmitted their novel virus, thereby seeding the global spread of a new variant. This idea is strongly supported by multiple publications describing patients with chronic SARS-CoV-2 infections who accumulate large numbers of adaptive mutations. " Note the similarity to Latham and Wilson's theory of how COVD 19 evolved from a bat virus encountered in the mine.
You may very well be right. The risk is that we conclude the virus was engineered and so that's all we need to worry about. Or that it came from a wet market and that's where we need to focus. We need to look at everything -- getting developing countries to get rid of wet markets. Try to avoid human exposure to viruses from bats and bat guano and rodents and the like. Isolate people so you can avoid pandemics. Make sure the labs are safe. And be better prepared the next time this happens.
Tooms’ solution, that we won’t have pandemics if we just elect Democrat presidents, doesnt make a lot of sense to me.
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/biden-administration-finally-admits-its-mistake-canceling-keystone-xl-pipeline
The Biden Administration Finally Admits Its Mistake In Canceling The Keystone XL Pipeline.
At long last, the Biden administration is admitting what experts have always known: reckless energy policies have disastrous consequences. This time, the Department of Energy quietly released a report highlighting the positive economic benefits of developing the Keystone XL pipeline from Canada, an energy project canceled by President Biden in the hours following his inauguration.
Released without a formal announcement, the DOE's report points out that the pipeline would have created between 16,149 and 59,000 jobs and would have had an economic benefit of between $3. 4 and 9. 6 billion. That's no small impact. Yet with one stroke of his pen, Biden slashed the project and instead focused his efforts on costly "green energy" goals. As a result of his executive action, 11,000 pipeline workers were promptly laid off and told to "go to work to make solar panels" instead.
Ah yes, but Biden is the great job creator, right Tooms?It was insane. Why wouldn't you want the oil going to USA Refineries instead of to the Canadian west coast and then Asia? I suspect Biden wouldn't make the same choice today, given what we see going on in Europe as a result of the Ukraine / Russia war. And given his new found enthusiasm for domestic oil and gas production, in the short term at least. But the majority of the politicians in his party would foolishly do it all over again.
It isn't anyone from the left who called for a Civil War, it was this guy who wants to be first in line. I guess he is still a little boy who wants to play army. He can have his one man Civil War and go shoot himself. Civil War and killing is not a joke. Let's get some sense here. Maybe he will cut and paste his way through his Civil War too.Hey ChucoLoco, the Marquis is messing with you. He's playing bad cop to my good cop, in our struggle to save Democrats' souls.
ChuchoLoco
01-21-23, 18:28
Hey ChucoLoco, the Marquis is messing with you. He's playing bad cop to my good cop, in our struggle to save Democrats' souls.I kind of thought that it was BS Tiny but to be honest, I don't like his game but that's me maybe others find him funny. Anyway at my age, I would rather get some poosy or a BJ rather than save or be saved but you have a good attitude. Thanks.
MarquisdeSade1
01-21-23, 18:47
Hey ChucoLoco, the Marquis is messing with you. He's playing bad cop to my good cop, in our struggle to save Democrats' souls.https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/01/20/maher-wokeness-turned-into-ugly-authoritarianism-that-very-much-reminds-me-of-religion/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/20/illegal-ms-13-gang-member-accused-of-murdering-20-year-old-kayla-hamilton/
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/01/20/barr-radical-progressive-movement-is-main-danger-to-our-democracy-today-makes-the-mccarthy-era-look-like-childs-play/
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2023/01/20/report-gay-couple-accused-pimping-adopted-sons-local-pedophiles/
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/01/20/majority-of-british-and-eu-nationals-want-to-preserve-christian-culture-fear-illegal-immigration/
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/01/20/italy-sees-thousands-of-illegals-arrive-in-first-weeks-of-2023-more-than-same-2021-22-period-combined/
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/01/21/maher-medical-schools-are-the-problem-for-lying-about-science-to-downplay-risk-of-transitioning-children/
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/01/21/maher-biden-was-very-shady-on-classified-documents-they-hid-it-for-two-months/
I kind of thought that it was BS Tiny but to be honest, I don't like his game but that's me maybe others find him funny. Anyway at my age, I would rather get some poosy or a BJ rather than save or be saved but you have a good attitude. Thanks.I used to be the same way. It's an age thing Chucoloco. As I've gotten older I think more about my immortal soul and less about poontang.
Trump himself did all the simple calculations necessary to reasonably conclude he caused Trump's Pandemic:
We've debated this to death. The last word was yours Tooms.
MarquisdeSade1
01-21-23, 23:11
We've debated this to death. The last word was yours Tooms.Isn't she a little old for him?
A) why the fuck is marrying her at all lololol.
B) when I'm 93 I want be banging hot college freshmen not their great grandmothers jajajaajajaja.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/buzzaldrin-ancafaur-wedding/2023/01/21/id/1105384/
No, no Brother Marquis. I'm convinced that a message of love and redemption and logic will cause our brethren on the left to see the light and change their wicked ways. We must bring the word to them, the word of the Saints. Saint Milton Friedman, Saint Friedrich Hayek, and Saint Ludwig von Mises. Don't take up arms Brother Marquis. Pray for them and for their immortal souls.And at the same time, don't forget to say a prayer for yourselves, brother Tiny 12. You'll need it!
Elvis 2008
01-22-23, 00:09
The one thing we agree on is that it's ridiculous to blame Trump.
Furin cleavage sites are uncommon in bat coronaviruses but not unknown. Two bat coronaviruses closely related to MERS, BatCoV-HKU5 and BatCoV-HKU4, have furin cleavage sites.
The mine in China which Latham and Wilson postulate the virus came from is close to northern Laos. Bat viruses have been identified there that have spike sequences enabling them to readily bind to human ACE2, like COVID 19. From the paper below, "We found that the receptor-binding domains of these viruses difer from that of SARS-CoV-2 by only one or two residues at the interface with ACE2, bind more efficiently to the human ACE2 protein than that of the SARS-CoV-2 strain isolated in Wuhan from early human cases, and mediate human ACE2-dependent entry and replication in human cells, which is inhibited by antibodies that neutralize SARS-CoV-2. " They also note the viruses don't have furin cleavage sites in the spike protein. But who's to say either the mine workers weren't infected by another bat virus with a furin cleavage site, or the Wuhan researchers didn't recover a bat virus, at the mine or in a cave, that was COVID 19? Or the explanation favored by Latham and Wilson, the furin cleavage site evolved in the lungs of one of the mine workers. Here's the paper about Laos.Well, Tiny you have gotten me from being 100% certain that Covid started in the Wuhan lab to 99.9%, and that is a compliment. But there are so many problems with this including where Covid started and the behaviors of government officials in China and the USA.
TYes you can modify a virus without leaving a fingerprint. But why would you do that?Because scientists can. Why did Boston University make a form of coronavirus that was 80% fatal? Scientists do crazy and dumb shit all the time. This is what Jon Stewart was taking about. Dems worship "scientists" while Jon Stewart was saying how crazy they can be. BU came under a lot of fire for making that super potent virus.
I think the military is more interested from a distance. It is like nukes. You want to have them and understand them if someone else uses them against you. Bioweapons are last resort type items.
"Long incubation inside a single infected patient allowed evolution to occur at an unusually rapid pace, leading ultimately to the creation of radically different versions of SARS-CoV-2. Eventually, these patients transmitted their novel virus, thereby seeding the global spread of a new variant. This idea is strongly supported by multiple publications describing patients with chronic SARS-CoV-2 infections who accumulate large numbers of adaptive mutations. " Note the similarity to Latham and Wilson's theory of how COVD 19 evolved from a bat virus encountered in the mine.
You may very well be right. The risk is that we conclude the virus was engineered and so that's all we need to worry about. Or that it came from a wet market and that's where we need to focus. We need to look at everything -- getting developing countries to get rid of wet markets. Try to avoid human exposure to viruses from bats and bat guano and rodents and the like. Isolate people so you can avoid pandemics. Make sure the labs are safe. And be better prepared the next time this happens.Well, the frustrating part to me is the gain of function research has not even stopped because the naturally occurring theory won the day. I think you can get further with that though than prohibiting people from exploring caves or selling goods at a wet market.
But this lab leak stuff needs to be clamped down as hard as we do with nukes, and it has not been. There have been way too many accidents. And if you are going to go with the naturally occurring theory and say it jumped from animal to human, IMO you have to find the animal and find it near Wuhan. There is have been no evidence to back up the bat-pangolin theory. None. And people have looked.
But congratulations on getting me to the point where naturally occurring is even possible. Your explanation of how it could have happened was much better than Daszak's.
Lololol I am not a republican or a democrat, I hate them both (I am an ardent atheist that voted for Bernie and Trump in 2016) I am a pro America-Populist.
But I hate the democrats way more, if there is evil in this world then they will eagerly embrace it, they are EVIL. Really now, not shocking at all! Believe in nothing, stand for nothing, and fall for everything.
And if you really are "pro American", you wouldn't hate half the country..
Case in point.
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2023/01/20/report-gay-couple-accused-pimping-adopted-sons-local-pedophiles/
But I guess its obvious why the trash on this site hate Breitbart so much. They don't like them showing stories like this, they prefer they be swept under the rug.Embattled US congressman George Santos was drag queen in Brazil pageants, associates say
https://www.rappler.com/world/us-canada/united-states-congressman-george-santos-drag-queen-brazil-pageants
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/19/george-santos-drag-queen-brazil-new-york-republican
Hillarious as always, as if gay-life doesn't happen on the right. I can only image, your very own Drag Queen Repub (R) George Santos, was no doubt "groomed", much the same way.
Ohhh!...the pageantry of the Brazilian cross-dressing Drag Queen George Santos, by all reports could make even the most hardcore harden drag queen on 'RuPaul's Drag Race', blush for days.
LOL. If you're going to build a Straw Man to argue with, at least build one big enough to appear as though he might win. I mean, put a little effort in it, gents.
"Tooms says recessions don't happen under Dems. ".
"Tooms swearing that all these deaths are on Trump, and China is blameless. It is disgusting".
"Tooms' solution, that we won't have pandemics if we just elect Democratic presidents".
Uh. Nope. That isn't what Tooms has been saying.
The term is "Great Recessions", gentlemen, "Great Recessions". You know, the kind where the Unemployment Rate skyrockets into double digits. Or millions of jobs are wiped out. Maybe throw in a Mega Bear Market Crash that logs in considerably more of a decline than a handful of percentage points more than a health-restoring Correction level.
We have had several of those over the past 100 years. NONE of them started under Dem economic stewardship. ALL of them started under Repub economic stewardship.
I'm not talking about some relatively minor economic dip that sees the Unemployment Rate tick up to around 7% for a month or two. Nor am I talking about a relatively minor recession that was artificially induced into the economy because the Dem economy was too hot, creating too many jobs for applicants to take them. Yep, that has happened and begun under Dems, including the one the Fed is trying mightily to artificially induce into Biden's roaring job creating economy right now.
On Trump's Pandemic, it is irrefutable that Trump's decisions in 2018 and 5 months before the first coronavirus cases emerged in China to defund and remove the very officials whose job it was to monitor and sound the alarm about such things laid the foundation for allowing Trump's Pandemic to happen in the first place.
Then his lies about it for those critical first months really sealed the deal and made sure it happened. But I have always pointed out that Trump lied "in sync" with China about it. By all rational understanding, that means that China's lies combined with Trump's lies to kill all those people and crash all those economies. It wasn't "only" Trump.
Just because Trump removed all possibility of right-minded officials sounding the alarm early enough for the world to react, respond and prevent Trump's Pandemic from occurring doesn't mean China gets a pass for exploiting the vacuum Trump handed them and lying about it, with or without Trump's incomparable help in their doing so.
How did you guys miss that qualifier? I repeated it quite often.
Oh, and while we're on that topic, I think the officials Trump removed against all expert warnings not to do something so stupid and dangerous would have been aware of the earliest cases and sounded the alarm whether or not those cases emerged in the labs, in Bruce Wayne's Bat Cave, were intentionally created, accidentally created, leaked or farted out of Xi's ass. Those are uttterly irrelevant side issues. T.
The officials were placed there precisely on the premise that China would NOT be forthcoming, would NOT be open and transparent, would NOT perhaps even know how or why such early cases would emerge. That is what those officials were looking for at all times. Until Trump removed them.
Now, will there be a Pandemic created because a Dem pulled out all the monitors meant to sound the earliest effective alarm for such things and, having done so, lies to the world about the risks and dangers of it for months until the serious, worldwide damage from it is unavoidable?
Highly doubtful.
But if loony QAnon Repubs are at the helm?
Virtually 100% certain.
MarquisdeSade1
01-22-23, 18:43
Really now, not shocking at all! Believe in nothing, stand for nothing, and fall for everything.
And if you really are "pro American", you wouldn't hate half the country..
Embattled US congressman George Santos was drag queen in Brazil pageants, associates say
https://www.rappler.com/world/us-canada/united-states-congressman-george-santos-drag-queen-brazil-pageants
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/19/george-santos-drag-queen-brazil-new-york-republican
Hillarious as always, as if gay-life doesn't happen on the right. I can only image, your very own Drag Queen Repub (R) George Santos, was no doubt "groomed", much the same way.
Ohhh!...the pageantry of the Brazilian cross-dressing Drag Queen George Santos, by all reports could make even the most hardcore harden drag queen on 'RuPaul's Drag Race', blush for days.Not shocking at all! Believe in nothing, stand for nothing, and fall for everything.
Sounds like something sheeple and cultists would say.
And if you really are "pro American", you wouldn't hate half the country.
I don't hate half the country, just those zealots that would love to destroy it.
Hilarious as always, as if gay-life doesn't happen on the right.
Really this story is hilarious to you? Just another day in gay life? Nothing to see here folks just move along.
Breitbart bad.
LOL. If you're going to build a Straw Man to argue with, at least build one big enough to appear as though he might win. I mean, put a little effort in it, gents.
"Tooms says recessions don't happen under Dems. ".
"Tooms swearing that all these deaths are on Trump, and China is blameless. It is disgusting".
"Tooms' solution, that we won't have pandemics if we just elect Democratic presidents".
Uh. Nope. That isn't what Tooms has been saying.
The term is "Great Recessions", gentlemen, "Great Recessions". You know, the kind where the Unemployment Rate skyrockets into double digits. Or millions of jobs are wiped out. Maybe throw in a Mega Bear Market Crash that logs in considerably more of a decline than a handful of percentage points more than a health-restoring Correction level.
We have had several of those over the past 100 years. NONE of them started under Dem economic stewardship. ALL of them started under Repub economic stewardship.
I'm not talking about some relatively minor economic dip that sees the Unemployment Rate tick up to around 7% for a month or two. Nor am I talking about a relatively minor recession that was artificially induced into the economy because the Dem economy was too hot, creating too many jobs for applicants to take them. Yep, that has happened and begun under Dems, including the one the Fed is trying mightily to artificially induce into Biden's roaring job creating economy right now.
On Trump's Pandemic, it is irrefutable that Trump's decisions in 2018 and 5 months before the first coronavirus cases emerged in China to defund and remove the very officials whose job it was to monitor and sound the alarm about such things laid the foundation for allowing Trump's Pandemic to happen in the first place.
Then his lies about it for those critical first months really sealed the deal and made sure it happened. But I have always pointed out that Trump lied "in sync" with China about it. By all rational understanding, that means that China's lies combined with Trump's lies to kill all those people and crash all those economies. It wasn't "only" Trump.
Just because Trump removed all possibility of right-minded officials sounding the alarm early enough for the world to react, respond and prevent Trump's Pandemic from occurring doesn't mean China gets a pass for exploiting the vacuum Trump handed them and lying about it, with or without Trump's incomparable help in their doing so.
How did you guys miss that qualifier? I repeated it quite often.
Oh, and while we're on that topic, I think the officials Trump removed against all expert warnings not to do something so stupid and dangerous would have been aware of the earliest cases and sounded the alarm whether or not those cases emerged in the labs, in Bruce Wayne's Bat Cave, were intentionally created, accidentally created, leaked or farted out of Xi's ass. Those are uttterly irrelevant side issues. T.
The officials were placed there precisely on the premise that China would NOT be forthcoming, would NOT be open and transparent, would NOT perhaps even know how or why such early cases would emerge. That is what those officials were looking for at all times. Until Trump removed them.
Now, will there be a Pandemic created because a Dem pulled out all the monitors meant to sound the earliest effective alarm for such things and, having done so, lies to the world about the risks and dangers of it for months until the serious, worldwide damage from it is unavoidable?
Highly doubtful.
But if loony QAnon Repubs are at the helm?
Virtually 100% certain.OK, You can have a lot of last words.
If you've been paying attention, I agree with you a lot. You may not recognize that because we concentrate on areas of disagreement when we engage.
I've only been to Buenos Aires twice, but used to hang around the Argentina Private political forum because there were a couple of left of center posters who were formidable. Dickhead was one of them, and I can't remember the other. You're in the same league in terms of your intelligence and how informed you are. But your view of politics and the economy and even epidemiology is univariate, "Republican bad, Democrat good. " And we live in a multivariate world.
And at the same time, don't forget to say a prayer for yourselves, brother Tiny 12. You'll need it!You're so right Brother Spidy. I had a dream last night. Saint Milton (Friedman) came to me. And he told me that I must convert more Democrats. If I don't then I'm going to have to spend 30 years in purgatory with Roger Stone. Time to get cracking! And praying!
Hillarious as always, as if gay-life doesn't happen on the right. I can only image, your very own Drag Queen Repub (R) George Santos, was no doubt "groomed", much the same way.
Ohhh!...the pageantry of the Brazilian cross-dressing Drag Queen George Santos, by all reports could make even the most hardcore harden drag queen on 'RuPaul's Drag Race', blush for days.What's wrong with holding political office if you're gay or a former drag queen? You're better than this.
Isn't she a little old for him?
A) why the fuck is marrying her at all lololol.
B) when I'm 93 I want be banging hot college freshmen not their great grandmothers jajajaajajaja.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/buzzaldrin-ancafaur-wedding/2023/01/21/id/1105384/Hell no Marquis. She's a hot GGMILF (great grandmother I'd like to fuck). And Buzz has the right stuff. He's a Republican. That couple won't need Viagra, just some lubricant and they'll be fucking like rabbits through their golden years.
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/01/20/maher-wokeness-turned-into-ugly-authoritarianism-that-very-much-reminds-me-of-religion/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/20/illegal-ms-13-gang-member-accused-of-murdering-20-year-old-kayla-hamilton/
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/01/20/barr-radical-progressive-movement-is-main-danger-to-our-democracy-today-makes-the-mccarthy-era-look-like-childs-play/
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2023/01/20/report-gay-couple-accused-pimping-adopted-sons-local-pedophiles/
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/01/20/majority-of-british-and-eu-nationals-want-to-preserve-christian-culture-fear-illegal-immigration/
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/01/20/italy-sees-thousands-of-illegals-arrive-in-first-weeks-of-2023-more-than-same-2021-22-period-combined/
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/01/21/maher-medical-schools-are-the-problem-for-lying-about-science-to-downplay-risk-of-transitioning-children/
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/01/21/maher-biden-was-very-shady-on-classified-documents-they-hid-it-for-two-months/I always figured Breitbart was alt right extreme, but based on your links I've read, I think was wrong. Interesting articles about the gay couple and Barr, thanks.
MarquisdeSade1
01-23-23, 02:11
I always figured Breitbart was alt right extreme, but based on your links I've read, I think was wrong. Interesting articles about the gay couple and Barr, thanks.I don't consider them extreme either I think 80-90% of Americans agree with their take on things except the looney left of course.
I consider it a centrist populist outlet, things most Americans agree with but the corporate media love to bury.
And they even convinced an intelligent moderate and reasonable man like yourself they are extreme.
Ask yourself where you got the idea they are extremists? CNN? MSNBC? ABC? NYT?
I consider NYT NPR and MSNBC extreme.
I'm guessing 90% of Americans disagree with them on most issues, that's what I consider extreme.
Look at their site, I grabbed the most sensational stories I could find, but look at the rest pretty milquetoast if you ask me.
But Breitbart bad.
Steve Bannon bad STFU.
You're so right Brother Spidy. I had a dream last night. Saint Milton (Friedman) came to me. And he told me that I must convert more Democrats. If I don't then I'm going to have to spend 30 years in purgatory with Roger Stone. Time to get cracking! And praying! Who knew the ministry was your calling...kkkk! Yeah, good luck with that!
What's wrong with holding political office if you're gay or a former drag queen? You're better than this. ....kkkk! Thanks for the laughs.
But how does one even begin to unpack the lying and denying sack of fraud, that is George Santos? Feel free to try! Then explain to me why Mr. Santos is so ashamed of his drag queen past as he claims to uphold Repub standards?
BTW, show me where I've said, there's anything wrong with gay-life in or out of political office. Perhaps, check back a few posts, were YOU and your comrade in arms, were embattled with the "bad" parenting of liberals and those on the left, with their weird, bizarre and queer parenting practices. As if to say, "nothing like this, never ever happens on the right".
Tiny 12, I do just fine, thank you! But perhaps you could do better?
But by all means, pray on, Pastor Brother Tiny, pray on!
With the Repub caucus acting like spoiled children, it's only a matter of time before the pariah and drag queen congressman in denial, George Santos, offers up a "Storybook Hour" of his own to calm the petulant feral Repub kids in the House.
Saturday Night Live Spoofs George Santos Fabulist Claims And His Fabulous Drag Performer Past
https://news.yahoo.com/saturday-night-live-spoofs-george-045901910.html
Or perhaps Mr. Santos, will simply regale the Repub caucus with his feats of skill and African American quarterbacking and dunk a football, as his nonsensical claims of heroism knows no bounds and unseen since the likes of ....hmmmm....Herschel Walker?
George Santos gets two committee assignments
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3816976-george-santos-gets-two-committee-assignments
It's reported (R) Kevin McCarthy, had to give up his "sole", to win the gavel, I wonder what part of his persons, he had to promise, for the two (2) committee seats he gave to Drag Queen George Santos? (...kkkk!)
OK, You can have a lot of last words.
If you've been paying attention, I agree with you a lot. You may not recognize that because we concentrate on areas of disagreement when we engage.
I've only been to Buenos Aires twice, but used to hang around the Argentina Private political forum because there were a couple of left of center posters who were formidable. Dickhead was one of them, and I can't remember the other. You're in the same league in terms of your intelligence and how informed you are. But your view of politics and the economy and even epidemiology is univariate, "Republican bad, Democrat good. " And we live in a multivariate world.Great Recessions, Depressions and Massive Jobs Destruction bad, mild or easily surmountable recessions, especially those artificially induced in order to cool down an overheated economy and Historic Job Gains not bad, I'll even call it good.
When Repubs start showing a pattern of no longer produce any of the former and some of the latter, I'll change my voting habits and which side I root for.
However, in order to see and believe such a major change in the pattern of Repub results is not just a one off fluke, it might take at least half the time they have produced nothing but those horrific former results. Maybe another 50 years of a "New Pattern of Results for Repubs" will be required before I dare to risk shitting all over the American economy and vote for anything but a Dem again.
I will be long dead by then.
W Perhaps, check back a few posts, were YOU and your comrade in arms, were embattled with the "bad" parenting of liberals and those on the left, with their weird, bizarre and queer parenting practices. As if to say, "nothing like this, never ever happens on the right".I've only posted on this once and you agreed with me, although you questioned the importance of the issue. And I in fact said it was more the parent's fault than the fault of Democratic politicians, as Chris was hypothesizing:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2780797&viewfull=1#post2780797
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2780829&viewfull=1#post2780829
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2780959&viewfull=1#post2780959
I suspect we may be tangling with a topic that we shouldn't be debating here so I won't get too specific. But yeah, things happen on the right and the left, absolutely. I don't think for example that Democrats or Republicans are more disposed to be sexual predators.
You're avoiding the real issue though, which is your problem with drag queens. (just kidding).
I don't consider them extreme either I think 80-90% of Americans agree with their take on things except the looney left of course.
I consider it a centrist populist outlet, things most Americans agree with but the corporate media love to bury.
And they even convinced an intelligent moderate and reasonable man like yourself they are extreme.
Ask yourself where you got the idea they are extremists? CNN? MSNBC? ABC? NYT?
I consider NYT NPR and MSNBC extreme.
I'm guessing 90% of Americans disagree with them on most issues, that's what I consider extreme.
Look at their site, I grabbed the most sensational stories I could find, but look at the rest pretty milquetoast if you ask me.
But Breitbart bad.
Steve Bannon bad STFU.I know very little about Breitbart News. I'm not a fan of Bannon, or Trump for that matter. I did have a favorable impression of Andrew Breitbart, although I didn't know much about him.
I suspect Breitbart may be more "newsworthy and trustworthy" source since it gave Bannon the boot. Newsworthy and trustworthy in the sense of the Daily Mail or the Daily Mirror, not the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times. Which is no dig. I imagine Breitbart's a lot more entertaining than the WSJ or the NYT -- I haven't read it enough to know though.
I was just being polite. If I want to sleep late, I'm going to sleep late, and there's nothing you can do about it.And I wasn't? Did you miss my "sir"? LOL.
It didn't work for me. It is helping civil contractors, manufacturers of semiconductors, companies that own the electrical grid, companies that make windmills and solar cells and electric vehicles, and wealthy and upper middle class Americans who buy electric vehicles. The biggest single beneficiary is probably Elon Musk. A lot of Biden's new spending is corporate welfare.If we're talking anecdotal evidence, Trump's "credits" didn't help me. I (small business owner) paid more taxes next year. My tax advisor said the same thing.
How about the $2000 child tax credit? Corporations that were stashing and investing money overseas brought that money back to the USA, because they now have to pay the "Global Intangible Low Income" (GILTI) tax on foreign earnings. As a result of that, and as a result of lowering the USA corporate tax rate from the highest in the developed world to about average (including corporate income tax levied by the states), our companies have become more competitive on the world stage. Jobs have come back to America. In 2019, a year after the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), for the first time in many years, the lot of the workingman, as measured by real median household income and hourly wages, improve much more than higher income earners.
The USA has the most progressive tax system in the developed world. The TCJA actually made the tax system a bit more progressive, if you measure progressivity based on deciles, the way the OECD did. In reality what happened is that income taxes declined most in percentage terms for people in lower tax brackets. Single filers making $160,000 to $425,000 received only a small cut in their marginal tax rate. And those making over $425,000 saw a percentage decrease in their marginal rate greater than those in the $160,000 to $425,000 range, but less than everyone else.Was there some "goodness" in it? Probably. Only the whole bonanza was skewed in favor of 1% even if a tiny portion of tax cuts trickled down. You do know that.
Now yes, people who make over $425,000 did see their taxes cut in dollar terms more than others. What do you expect when the top 1% pay 38% of the income tax? And when 40% of households, after tax credits, pay no income tax?That's a smart-ass number constructed by the Heritage Foundation. The 38% refers to the federal personal income tax and doesn't take into account the corporate tax (mostly) and state and local taxes, which are not nearly as progressive as the federal income tax. This is a reasonable take, IMHO on the "outrageous" 38%.
https://forbes.com/sites/joshbarro/2012/01/30/do-one-percent-of-americans-pay-38-percent-of-taxes/?sh=75bcf12c1121
Another one:
In 2019 alone, the tax cuts cost the U.S. Treasury $259 billion. Virtually half that money flowed to those earning $200,000 or more.https://news.bloombergtax.com/daily-tax-report/how-four-decades-of-tax-cuts-fueled-inequality-james-b-steele
And these 40% who don't pay taxes? It's a sad number. A married couple needs to make less than 26 K to not owe federal taxes. Who the fuck can live on 26 K in America?
Then why didn't Democrats repeal the TCJA when they controlled the presidency, the Senate and the House? Why did no one outside of progressives want to jack the corporate tax rate back up to 35%? Why would you want to repeal some of the provisions like the GILTI tax and 100% expensing of depreciable items? The later actually would result in slightly lower debt as a % of GDP if it's extended, because of its favorable effect on GDP, according to estimates by the Tax Foundation.Well, they're trying to raise the tax, not back to 35%, though. But entrenched laws are hard to repeal. I mean, how many years and lawsuits have they put into repealing Obamacare?
But another reason is Congress Dems are millionaires too, so I have no idea if they're really putting their hearts into it, LOL.
In fact, no they don't.
Every year corporations spend more than 85% of the total reported expenses associated with lobbying Congress. By contrast, labor unions, which represent interests of working people, account for less than 2%.
And though corporate donors lean Republican as a rule, they give generously to both parties. Over the past six election cycles, business-related donors contributed roughly $7 billion to Democrats and Republicans apiece, according to OpenSecrets, a nonpartisan body that tracks contributions.
Ellen Miller, who long oversaw Washington-based nonprofits that tracked the influence of money in politics, thinks thats why Republican zeal to cut taxes was long met by less-than-energetic opposition.
The campaign finance system we have that is inundated by corporate donors has kept Democrats asleep on this issue, she said in an interview.
I agree with you, Republicans were not fiscally responsible when they controlled government in 2017 and 2018. They should have spent less. And I don't agree with the qualified business income deduction, passed as a part of the TCJA, that benefits large pass through entities with huge amounts of fixed assets and employees, entities like some in the Trump Organization. (All businesses should be treated equally IMHO). But the effect on the national debt is peanuts compared to the huge amount of debt run up by Trump, Biden, Pelosi and Senate Democrats from 2020 onward. The CBO estimated the TCJA would reduce government revenues by $1. 5 trillion, but presently corporate tax revenues exceed what the CBO estimated they would be WITHOUT the TCJA. That might be in part because the TCJA encouraged corporations to bring money back to the USA, and generate income and create jobs here instead of abroad.Trump promised the companies would repatriate $4 billions. In reality, they brought back a little more than $1 billion. And how did they bring it in?
Promising that the tax break would turn America into a job magnet, President Donald Trump claimed that no less than $4 trillion would come back to the States. This is money that would never, ever be seen again by the workers and the people of our country, he said.
The money is coming back but not to American workers or communities thirsty for corporate investment. Instead, just as in 2004, it is flowing to shareholders and executives. A report by the Federal Reserve found in 2019 that share buybacks for the 15 largest corporations holding offshore cash rose sharply after the law passed. https://news.bloombergtax.com/daily-tax-report/how-four-decades-of-tax-cuts-fueled-inequality-james-b-steele
The Dems are not blameless. They're just better than the alternative.
Xpartan, excellent job on the colossal economic waste and abuse built into the Trump / Repubs' Tax Cut and Jobs Act.
I would add that the reason Biden and the Dems extended the rates instead of raising them when they could was because, as is the 100 year long pattern for incoming Dems with outgoing Repubs, we were in the midst of a Great Repub Economic Downturn. This time worldwide economies were crashing down around our ears due in large part to disastrous Repub Trump economic decisions over the previous 2 years.
In terms of market and supply-chain psychology if nothing else, it was not a time to apply energy to "raising" taxes on anyone, not even on the ones who would barely notice it and where the trickle-down into the broader economy from the tax cuts was minimal at best.
But the extensions adding to the deficit into the eventual $2. 5+ Trillion range was practically a given since economic disaster at the end of a Repub term and into a handoff to Dems is as predictable as night following day.
More:
Elizabeth Warren Slams GOP Con Game on Debt Ceiling
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elizabeth-warren-slams-gop-con-000102877.html
"Heres the ultimate irony of todays Republican scam: Without years of Republican handouts to the wealthy, there would be no debt ceiling hostage to take", she wrote. "If Republicans hadnt spent nearly $2 trillion on the Trump tax cuts and abetted wealthy tax cheats by starving the IRS for a decade, the United States wouldnt need to raise the debt ceiling this year. In fact, the current debt ceiling would have sustained federal spending well past President Biden's first term."
If we're talking anecdotal evidence, Trump's "credits" didn't help me. I (small business owner) paid more taxes next year. My tax advisor said the same thing.Count yourself lucky. The Republicans' GILTI tax, passed with the 2017 TCJA, fucked me over big time. I own a small business too, held in a foreign company. If you're an individual owner of a foreign company, like I am, you pay much higher taxes than American multinational corporations. After paying a 30% foreign income tax, a 37% GILTI tax, and, if I want to take any money out of the business, a 40.8% tax on dividends, I'm left with 19.5% of earnings before tax. (A USA Corporation with a foreign subsidiary would pay a much lower rate than my 80.5% rate, I think around 30%.) We're not making much money right now, but if this changes I'll have to jump through hoops to restructure the business or get rid of my USA Passport.
Still, while they should change the rules so they don't fuck people like me, overall the changes in corporate taxation were very beneficial to our economy, for reasons I've already explained.
Was there some "godness" in it? Probably. Only the whole bonanza was skewed in favor of 1% even if a tiny portion of tax cuts trickled down. You do know that.
That's a smart-ass number constructed by the Heritage Foundation. The 38% refers to the federal personal income tax and doesn't take into account the corporate tax (mostly) and state and local taxes, which are not nearly as progressive as the federal income tax. This is a reasonable take, IMHO on the "outrageous" 38%.
https://forbes.com/sites/joshbarro/2012/01/30/do-one-percent-of-americans-pay-38-percent-of-taxes/?sh=75bcf12c1121I reject your unfounded belief that "only a tiny portion of the tax cuts trickled down. " I've pointed out the tangible benefits to workers of the corporate tax cuts and you guys just pooh pooh me. Your Forbes article quotes an economist who believes most of the burden of the corporate tax falls primarily on labor. And it's not just labor that benefits from lower corporate tax rates. Consumers benefit too. Higher corporate taxes are largely just passed on to consumers.
Again, I don't think the Republicans should have created the Qualified Business Income tax deduction. And I believe the cuts in the marginal income tax rates were a sideshow. They were negligible for people making from $200,000 to $425,000 per year, and only cut the rate from 43.4% to 40.8% for people making more.
But, as to your criticism of my number, look at IRS tax statistics.
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/19in11si.xls
I pulled the 2019 data as 2020 is obscured by COVID. So I don't have to interpolate, I'll quote number for the top 1.09%, those taxpayers who had over $500,000 income. They represented 1.09% of the total number of returns filed. Those taxpayers paid $614 billion out of the total 1.553 trillion tax paid. That's 39.5%.
You quoted an article that said 50% of the benefits from the income tax cuts went to people who make $200,000 or more. I'm not sure that's true, but in 2019, 62.5% of income tax was paid by taxpayers who made more than $200,000 per year. That would indicate the TCJA made the tax system MORE progressive.
I said "income tax. " I did not say "tax " However, the USA Tax system, including sales taxes, VAT's, the employee's share of social security and Medicare, state income taxes, etc. , is almost certainly the most progressive in the developed world. See comments of Peter Whiteford, the OECD economist, who did the seminal work on comparative progressivity of OECD countries, here.
http://gregmankiw.********.com/2011/03/what-nation-has-most-progressive-tax.html
You'll need to replace the *'s in the above link with b l o g s p o t. (I hope I'm not violating forum rules here -- Greg Mankiw's blog is definitely not an ISG competitor.)
What's going on? At the top end in the USA, you have people paying marginal income tax rates at 40.8% to 54.1% depending on which states they live in, not that much different from European welfare states. (You can make the argument the tax rate on capital gains and qualified dividends is lower, but that's true in Europe too.) The middle class and the poor pay at much lower income tax rates. Yes, regressive sales taxes make the system less progressive. But we don't have a huge value added tax, like Europeans, which is highly regressive. Thus, overall, our system is more progressive than any country's in Europe.
Another one:
https://news.bloombergtax.com/daily-tax-report/how-four-decades-of-tax-cuts-fueled-inequality-james-b-steeleThis guy Steele doesn't know his head from a hole in the ground. When the tax rate was 70%, potentially higher income earners just made sure they didn't generate taxable income. Lots of money flowed to oil and gas well drilling and real estate and feedlots. All this resulted in inefficiencies in the economy. A friend of mine who has studied this says taxes paid by the wealthy increased after Reagan and Tip O'Neill and other Republicans and Democrats dropped taxes in the 1980's, because the wealthy started generating taxable income.
And these 40% who don't pay taxes? It's a sad number. A married couple needs to make less than 26 K to not owe federal taxes. Who the fuck can live on 26 K in America?
....Congress Dems are millionaires too, so I have no idea if they're really putting their hearts into it, LOL.Hey, I agree with you. Like I've said before, the Democratic Party needs to start trying to improve the lot of the poor instead of dragging down the rich, or as you say, claiming to drag down the rich. More help for truly needy people, especially children, makes sense. So does improving education instead of kowtowing to teachers' unions. Higher minimum wages, preferably set at the local level, would help. And higher employer, and employee contributions to pay for retirement and medical care would make sense.
And yeah, Democrats aren't going to get much help on some of this from Republicans.
The percentage of households that don't pay tax may actually be higher than 40% from what I'm reading. There's a CNBC article out quoting the Tax Policy Center, which I believe has a left of center bias, saying 57% of households paid no tax in 2021, up from 44% before the pandemic.
Your number, 26 K, isn't representative though. Remember that Donald Trump apparently has paid $750 or less in federal income tax in a number of years. See the graph here. Statista says 47.1% of households with an income between $40,000 and $50,000 paid no individual income taxes in 2022. Eyeballing their graph, about 35% making 50,000 to 75,000 didn't pay federal income tax:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/242138/percentages-of-us-households-that-pay-no-income-tax-by-income-level/
Trump promised the companies would repatriate $4 billions. In reality, they brought back a little more than $1 billion. And how did they bring it in?Are you going to believe any self serving promise made by the Donald?
Your quote also addressed buybacks. I haven't studied this, like I have some of the other points you brought up. But this is the first article I bring up in a Google search.
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-12-19/companies-repatriate-1-trillion-since-tax-overhaul
The article says "Investment banks and think tanks have estimated that USA Corporations held $1. 5 trillion to $2. 5 trillion in offshore cash at the time the law was enacted. ".
This article came out in December, 2019. The TCJA took effect January 1, 2018. So, my guess would be that about 1. 75 years after the implementation of the Act, already $1 trillion had come back. Given the $1.5 to $2.5 trillion estimate, that's a lot. Companies need to leave some cash overseas to run their foreign operations and expand their business.
Anyway, in addition to the $1 trillion, more money came back in the remainder of 2019 and in 2020 and future years. I brought back money as a result of this legislation (remember my foreign small business, which used to make money but isn't now), and can definitively tell you it wasn't a one time deal. You can bring back the money whenever you want. Furthermore, future earnings and profits, realized in future years, can be brought back with no additional tax. Formerly corporations had to pay a 35% tax on money they brought back to the USA. Now, by virtue of having already paid the GILTI tax, they don't have to pay anything when they bring profits back to the USA.
As to the buybacks, so what. If the corporation takes money it brought back from overseas, and uses it to buy back its shares, then the institutions and people who sold the shares will reinvest the sales proceeds mostly in America. That makes the economy more efficient. If a company doesn't have any opportunities that are better than share buy backs, then its great to get the money in the hands of people who will utilize it in growing the economy and jobs, instead of letting it sit in a foreign bank account.
The Dems are not blameless. They're just better than the alternative.This isn't the Democratic Party of Bill Clinton. The party is increasingly dominated by Progressives with no common sense about business. As such I disagree.
MarquisdeSade1
01-24-23, 06:47
I've only posted on this once and you agreed with me, although you questioned the importance of the issue. And I in fact said it was more the parent's fault than the fault of Democratic politicians, as Chris was hypothesizing:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2780797&viewfull=1#post2780797
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2780829&viewfull=1#post2780829
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2780959&viewfull=1#post2780959
I suspect we may be tangling with a topic that we shouldn't be debating here so I won't get too specific. But yeah, things happen on the right and the left, absolutely. I suspect we may be tangling with a topic that we shouldn't be debating here so I won't get too specific
You're avoiding the real issue though, which is your problem with drag queens. (just kidding)."I suspect we may be tangling with a topic that we shouldn't be debating here so I won't get too specific".
Do you think discussing this issue is verboten for some odd reason?
"But yeah, things happen on the right and the left, absolutely".
Well, I'm willing to wager a huge sum.
Men raping little boys is happening at an exponentially higher rate on the left then on the right, like 1000 x or 10000 x the rate.
I've only posted on this once and you agreed with me, although you questioned the importance of the issue. And I in fact said it was more the parent's fault than the fault of Democratic politicians, as Chris was hypothesizing:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2780797&viewfull=1#post2780797
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2780829&viewfull=1#post2780829
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2780959&viewfull=1#post2780959
I suspect we may be tangling with a topic that we shouldn't be debating here so I won't get too specific. But yeah, things happen on the right and the left, absolutely. I don't think for example that Democrats or Republicans are more disposed to be sexual predators.
Ahh...Nope, I wasn't agreeing with your bias statement! I simply pointed out, that gay-life happens on both the left and right (be it parents or politicians), whereas you and your comrades seem to think, it only happens on the left.
Enter stage-left, as "Exhibit A", the lying sack of fraud, that is Republican drag queen, George Santos.
You're avoiding the real issue though, which is your problem with drag queens. (just kidding).
Once again...nope! Kidding or not, my issue, is with the Repub lying sack of fraud, that is George Santos. The fact that the dude happens to also like to dress in drag, is just bat-shit fodder for the taking, as it plays out in the days to come.
Meanwhile the conspiracy QAnon\Repubs loons, try to justify their war on "Drag Queen Story hour", all while trying to square the fact, they have a enemy combatant "Brazilian drag queen" in their rank-and-file.
MarquisdeSade1
01-24-23, 13:29
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/bidens-documents-scandal-now-dcs-hottest-guessing-game-whos-sabotaging-president
So no 2nd stolen term for Jagoff Joe and the Junkie?
That's right, nothing to do with Hunter. Nothing at all.
If you have a proof or single shred of evidence that Joe Biden has benefited from anything Hunter allegedly did, bring it up.
Other than that, it doesn't matter how Biden got his money. He could be panhandling on 5th Ave for what I care, as long as he didn't try and generate his wealth while serving the American people.
Unlike Don the Con, who tried in gusto.
I read the article carefully. Provided it's not complete and utter BS, nothing in it suggests that Joe Biden received or was going to receive a kick back from the Chinese. Nothing at all.
Holding "10 for a big guy" can mean literally anything. Most likely, the scheme participants were about to help themselves with that "10".The Trump Derangement Syndrome is strong in this one.
You literally have videotape of Biden as VP, boasting about how he threatened to withhold a billion dollar loan from the US to Ukraine if they didn't fire the prosecutor who was investigating his corrupt son. Within a couple of hours, the prosecutor was gone.
That is open and clear corruption. The fact that he has not been indicted for it shows the level to which the DoJ is now a part of the corrupt globalist swamp.
We all know that if the same footage existed involving President Trump withholding US taxpayer money to force a foreign country to stop investigating one of his sons, it would be all over the fake news media every day and Merrick Garland, Adam Schiff or whichever Washington Jew is currently pulling the strings would have filed charges.
Just like Trump (or any non-RINO republican) would have been indicted for what Crooked Hillary did with her emails. An open and shut case, and she skated because. ? Because she is part of the Globohomo deep state establishment.
Claiming Hunter's corruption is nothing to do with Joe is moronic and ludicrous on its face. Hunter is a druggie dropout imbecile with no discernible skills or talents. Yet he was given high-paying no-work jobs on all kinds of Ukrainian and Chinese companies. Why? For access to his VP father, who altered US policy to fit his son / bagman's interests.
Finally, your foolish comment about Trump not starting any wars makes no sense, even by your own low standards of logic.
Putin took Crimea when Obama was president. For four years, Trump had him under control (as well as Kim Jong-un and the Chinese). Not a peep out of any of them.
Then as soon as Sleepy Joe is fraudulently installed and America is shamefully driven out of Afghanistan by the Taliban, Putin correctly senses weakness and invades Ukraine. Meanwhile Kim restarts his nuke tests, China starts threatening Taiwan, and the Saudis abandon the petrodollar (big news). Well done, Sleepy Joe!
And to this day, you see douches like PVM and Tooms swearing that all these deaths are on Trump, and China is blameless. It is disgusting, and it makes me wonder what are guys like this getting paid to be so blind to the truth.In the future, the mental illness known as Trump Derangement Syndrome will be studied intensely.
It allowed dem douches to claim that Trump was responsible for the virus reaching America despite the fact that he banned Chinese from coming to America from China in January 2020, while his democrat opponents were calling him "racist", hugging Chinamen in the streets, and demanding all travel restrictions be lifted.
Clearly, with the full flight schedule that the democrats wanted, the virus would have spread far more quickly in the USA, resulting in more deaths. That is simple, obvious logic. Yet their TDS-addled brains refuse to accept it.
It is a deep-seated psychiatric phenomenon, similar to the Dancing Plague of 1518.
... Well, I'm willing to wager a huge sum.
Men raping little boys is happening at an exponentially higher rate on the left then on the right, like 1000 x or 10000 x the rate.
Crass and indelicate as always!!! Dude, not exactly the kind of betting you want to be associated with, or maybe you do? (...kkkk).
But by all means, you do you. However I will refute your claims.
Well, since most Repubs are just such exemplary, pious, devout and righteous "Christians", and we all know the evidence bares it out, that these kind of vile assaults (as you've stated) mostly happens in the realms and hallowed halls of Church, one can only surmise the following.
These heinous acts, typically carried out in a act of betrayal of trust, from your so called arbiters of holiness, typically in the form clergymen, pastors, bishops, cardinals or even arch-cardinals at the top.
So it isn't hard to imagine that, not only are such unholy practices, carried out on the proverbial "choirboys/girls" and "alter-boys/girls", but no doubt, also on the general Sunday-school Bible class congregation as well. And who attends these Sunday-school Bible classes you ask? Why the righteous QAnon/Repubs of course.
I'm sure you can figure out the rest on your own, w/r to the unnatural completion of the circle-of-abuse and sexual misconduct, from the pious and "righteous-right", given the worldwide reach of the institution and front for "righteous" sexual-deviants, known as the church and its "righteous" minions.
Therefore definitely more like, 1K x 100K the rate, on the RIGHT more than on the left, given the influence of the church.
BTW, perhaps I'm just kidding...or I'm I? After all, you provide no evidence to backup your baseless right-wing claims.
PS: Is it any wonder Rep. Lauren Boebert Calls Separation of Church and State 'Junk' (Talk about doing the church's biding, or should I say pre-grooming? ...kkkk!)
https://people.com/politics/rep-lauren-boebert-denounces-separation-of-church-state/
Crass and indelicate as always!!! Dude, not exactly the kind of betting you want to be associated with, or maybe you do? (...kkkk).
But by all means, you do you. However I will refute your claims.
Well, since most Repubs are just such exemplary, pious, devout and righteous "Christians", and we all know the evidence bares it out, that these kind of vile assaults (as you've stated) mostly happens in the realms and hallowed halls of Church, one can only surmise the following.
These heinous acts, typically carried out in a act of betrayal of trust, from your so called arbiters of holiness, typically in the form clergymen, pastors, bishops, cardinals or even arch-cardinals at the top.
So it isn't hard to imagine that, not only are such unholy practices, carried out on the proverbial "choirboys/girls" and "alter-boys/girls", but no doubt, also on the general Sunday-school Bible class congregation as well. And who attends these Sunday-school Bible classes you ask? Why the righteous QAnon/Repubs of course.
I'm sure you can figure out the rest on your own, w/r to the unnatural completion of the circle-of-abuse and sexual misconduct, from the pious and "righteous-right", given the worldwide reach of the institution and front for "righteous" sexual-deviants, known as the church and its "righteous" minions.
Therefore definitely more like, 1K x 100K the rate, on the RIGHT more than on the left, given the influence of the church.
BTW, perhaps I'm just kidding...or I'm I? After all, you provide no evidence to backup your baseless right-wing claims.
PS: Is it any wonder Rep. Lauren Boebert Calls Separation of Church and State 'Junk' (Talk about doing the church's biding, or should I say pre-grooming? ...kkkk!)
https://people.com/politics/rep-lauren-boebert-denounces-separation-of-church-state/ One thing is certain with the person who posted the original and other members of the Moron Brigade. None of their posts ever contain real sources, just wild conjectures as you have so smartly pointed out.
Just like the "government documents" flap. The Moron Brigade tried to defend Donnie the Dumbass with all sorts of spurious arguments. And when less than 10% of the number of Donnie the Dumbass' documents turned up at President Biden's former offices and his home, they all started crowing. Again. Several morons on Yahoo even said that VPs weren't legally able to look at classified documents. Where they got that drivel is anybody's guess but FUX Snooze seems to be the (il) logical source. Now that former VP Mike "Hang Mike Pence" Pence has found classified documents in his possession, the Moron Brigade is strangely quiet. Or is it strange?
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/bidens-documents-scandal-now-dcs-hottest-guessing-game-whos-sabotaging-president
So no 2nd stolen term for Jagoff Joe and the Junkie?So who has the most to win? Kamala Harris? Pete Buttigieg? Nah. My money says it was a protege of Tooms' hero, Elizabeth Warren.
‘Most influential voice’: Warren’s network spreads throughout Biden administration
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/15/elizabeth-warren-aides-biden-administration-475653
She's thoroughly infiltrated the Biden Administration. And if she'll stab your man Bernie in the back, and she did, we damn well know she'll go after Biden. But Pocahontas wised up. That episode with Bernie didn't work out so well. So undoubtedly she's working in the shadows now.
If you think Biden is bad, just wait until we have a government run by Elizabeth Warren.
It allowed dem (politicians) to claim that Trump was responsible for the virus reaching America despite the fact that he banned Chinese from coming to America from China in January 2020, while his democrat opponents were calling him "racist"Good point. Some of our friends here continually dance around that. Yeah, Trump made some fuck ups during COVID. But he also did some things right. That was one of them.
In the future, the mental illness known as Trump Derangement Syndrome will be studied intensely.
It allowed dem douches to claim that Trump was responsible for the virus reaching America despite the fact that he banned Chinese from coming to America from China in January 2020, while his democrat opponents were calling him "racist", hugging Chinamen in the streets, and demanding all travel restrictions be lifted.
Clearly, with the full flight schedule that the democrats wanted, the virus would have spread far more quickly in the USA, resulting in more deaths. That is simple, obvious logic. Yet their TDS-addled brains refuse to accept it.
It is a deep-seated psychiatric phenomenon, similar to the Dancing Plague of 1518.Do you have any links for this mythical Trump ban on flights from China? And for his, what, 2020 Dem nominee opponents calling him "racist" for it?
My memory is Trump's claim to be banning flights from China, which he didn't do, and singling out "China" as the place where by then hundreds if not thousands of cases were already entering the USA from Europe by way of flights from China stopping over in Europe en route to the USA had a twinge of deflection to the racist "Yellow Menace" bit in order to draw attention away from how he himself was key to creating Trump's Pandemic when he allowed the Chinese to lie about the spread of the virus for critical weeks if not months thanks to him pulling out the monitors.
Maybe that is what his Dem opponents were talking about. I mean, aside from the fact that, fully checked, his main and justifiably most feared Dem opponent, did not call Trump "racist" for that:
Speaking of his restriction on travel from China, I had (Joe) Biden calling me xenophobic. He called me a racist, because of the fact that he felt it was a racist thing to stop people from China coming in.
MOSTLY FALSE
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/27/donald-trump/fact-checking-whether-biden-called-trump-xenophobi/
430,000 People Have Traveled From China to U.S. Since Coronavirus Surfaced.
There were 1,300 direct flights to 17 cities before President Trumps travel restrictions. Since then, nearly 40,000 Americans and other authorized travelers have made the trip, some this past week and many with spotty screening.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html
Since Chinese officials disclosed the outbreak of a mysterious pneumonialike illness to international health officials on New Years Eve, at least 430,000 people have arrived in the United States on direct flights from China, including nearly 40,000 in the two months after President Trump imposed restrictions on such travel, according to an analysis of data collected in both countries.
The bulk of the passengers, who were of multiple nationalities, arrived in January, at airports in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Chicago, Seattle, Newark and Detroit. Thousands of them flew directly from Wuhan, the center of the coronavirus outbreak, as American public health officials were only beginning to assess the risks to the United States.
Flights continued this past week, the data show, with passengers traveling from Beijing to Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York, under rules that exempt Americans and some others from the clampdown that took effect on Feb. 2. In all, 279 flights from China have arrived in the United States since then, and screening procedures have been uneven, interviews show.
Mr. Trump has repeatedly suggested that his travel measures impeded the viruss spread in the United States. I do think we were very early, but I also think that we were very smart, because we stopped China, he said at a briefing on Tuesday, adding, That was probably the biggest decision we made so far. Last month, he said, Were the ones that kept China out of here.
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But the analysis of the flight and other data by The New York Times shows the travel measures, however effective, may have come too late to have kept China out, particularly in light of recent statements from health officials that as many as 25 percent of people infected with the virus may never show symptoms. Many infectious-disease experts suspect that the virus had been spreading undetected for weeks after the first American case was confirmed, in Washington State, on Jan. 20, and that it had continued to be introduced. In fact, no one knows when the virus first arrived in the United States.
During the first half of January, when Chinese officials were underplaying the severity of the outbreak, no travelers from China were screened for potential exposure to the virus. Health screening began in mid-January, but only for a number of travelers who had been in Wuhan and only at the airports in Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York. By that time, about 4,000 people had already entered the United States directly from Wuhan, according to VariFlight, an aviation data company based in China. The measures were expanded to all passengers from China two weeks later.
In a statement on Friday, Hogan Gidley, a White House spokesman, described Mr. Trumps travel restrictions as a bold decisive action which medical professionals say will prove to have saved countless lives. The policy took effect, he said, at a time when the global health community did not yet know the level of transmission or asymptomatic spread.
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Trump administration officials have also said they received significant pushback about imposing the restrictions even when they did. At the time, the World Health Organization was not recommending travel restrictions, Chinese officials rebuffed them and some scientists questioned whether curtailing travel would do any good. Some Democrats in Congress said they could lead to discrimination.
In interviews, multiple travelers who arrived after the screening was expanded said they received only passing scrutiny, with minimal follow-up.
I was surprised at how lax the whole process was, said Andrew Wu, 31, who landed at Los Angeles International Airport on a flight from Beijing on March 10. The guy I spoke to read down a list of questions, and he didnt seem interested in checking out anything.
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Sabrina Fitch, 23, flew from China to Kennedy International Airport in New York on March 23. She and the 40 or so other passengers had their temperature taken twice while en route and were required to fill out forms about their travels and health, she said.
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Besides looking at our passports, they didnt question us like we normally are questioned, said Ms. Fitch, who had been teaching English in China. So it was kind of weird, because everyone expected the opposite, where you get a lot of questions. But once we filled out the little health form, no one really cared.
In January, before the broad screening was in place, there were over 1,300 direct passenger flights from China to the United States, according to VariFlight and two American firms, MyRadar and FlightAware. About 381,000 travelers flew directly from China to the United States that month, about a quarter of whom were American, according to data from the Department of Commerces International Trade Administration.
In addition, untold others arrived from China on itineraries that first stopped in another country. While actual passenger counts for indirect fliers were not available, Sofia Boza-Holman, a spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security, said they represented about a quarter of travelers from China. The restrictions, she added, reduced all passengers from the country by about 99 percent.
Mr. Trump issued his first travel restrictions related to the virus on Jan. 31, one day after the World Health Organization declared the outbreak a global health emergency. In a presidential proclamation, he barred foreign nationals from entering the country if they had been in China during the prior two weeks. The order exempted American citizens, green-card holders and their noncitizen relatives exceptions roundly recognized as necessary to allow residents to return home and prevent families from being separated. It did not apply to flights from Hong Kong and Macau.
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About 60 percent of travelers on direct flights from China in February were not American citizens, according to the most recently available government data. Most of the flights were operated by Chinese airlines after American carriers halted theirs.
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President Trump with the health secretary, Alex M. Azar II, at a Covid-19 briefing last month.Credit...Al Drago for The New York Times.
At a news conference about the restrictions, Alex M. Azar II, the health secretary, repeatedly emphasized that the risk is low for Americans. He added, Our job is to work to keep that that way.
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Health officials also announced an expansion of the screening beyond arrivals from Wuhan. Dr. Robert R. Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, explained that people would be screened for significant risk, as well as any evidence of symptoms. If there was no reason for additional examination, they would be allowed to complete their travel back to their home, where they then will be monitored by the local health departments in a self-monitoring situation in their home.
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The procedures called for screening to be conducted in empty sections of the airports, usually past customs areas. Passengers would line up and spend a minute or two having their temperature taken and being asked about their health and travel history. Those with a fever or self-reported symptoms like a cough would get a medical evaluation, and if they were thought to have been infected or exposed to the virus, they would be sent to a hospital where local health officials would take over.
Passengers would also be given information cards about the virus and symptoms. Later versions advised people to stay at home for two weeks.
In a statement on Thursday, the C.D.C. described the entry screening as part of a layered approach that could slow and reduce the spread of disease when used with other public health measures.
We cannot stop all introductions, the C.D.C. added, noting that the coronavirus pandemic was especially challenging due to asymptomatic and presymptomatic infections and an incubation period of up to two weeks.
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Separately, on Friday, the Department of Homeland Security said in a statement that the administrations measures were unprecedented and allowed the U.S. to stay ahead of the outbreak as it developed.
Passengers including Mr. Wu described a cursory screening process when they arrived in the United States.
Mr. Wu, who has had no symptoms and has not become ill, said he was told to stay inside for 14 days when he landed in Los Angeles. He said he received two reminder messages the next day by email and text, but no further follow-up.
Another traveler, Chandler Jurinka, said his experience on Feb. 29 had an even more haphazard feel. He flew from Beijing to Seattle, with stops in Tokyo and Vancouver.
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At the Seattle-Tacoma airport, he said, an immigration officer went through his documents and asked questions unrelated to the virus about his job and life in China. At no point did anyone take his temperature, he said.
He hands me my passport and forms and says, Oh, by the way, you havent been to Wuhan, have you? Mr. Jurinka said. And then he says, You dont have a fever, right?
Like others, he left the airport with a card that recommended two weeks of self-quarantine and a promise that someone would call to check up on him. He said he never got a call.
Other travelers also said the follow-up from local health departments was hit-or-miss. Some received only emails or texts.
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Jacinda Passmore, 23, a former English teacher in China who flew into Dallas on March 10, after a layover in Tokyo, got a thorough screening at the Dallas-Fort Worth airport. It took about 40 minutes, she said, before she was cleared for her flight home to Little Rock, Ark.
State health workers later dropped off thermometers at her house and insisted her entire family stay home for two weeks and provide updates on their condition.
They asked us every day: Have you stayed inside? Have you met anyone? Have you been quarantined? Ms. Passmore said. Theyre really nice about it. They said, If you need anything, we can go grocery-shopping for you.
Nineteen flights departed Wuhan in January for New York or San Francisco and the flights were largely full, according to VariFlight. For about 4,000 travelers, there was no enhanced screening.
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On Jan. 17, the federal government began screening travelers from Wuhan, but only 400 more passengers arrived on direct flights before Chinese authorities shut down the airport. Scott Liu, 56, a Wuhan native and a textile importer who lives in New York, caught the last commercial flight, on Jan. 22.
Mr. Liu had gone to Wuhan for the Spring Festival on Jan. 6, but decided to come back early as the outbreak worsened. At the Wuhan airport, staff checked his temperature. On the flight, he and other passengers filled a health declaration form, which included questions about symptoms like fever, cough or difficulty breathing.
After they arrived at J.F.K. in New York, the passengers were directed to go through a temperature checkpoint. It was very fast, he said. If your temperature is normal, they will just let you in.
Mr. Liu said no one asked him questions about his travel history or health, and he received a card with information about what to do if he developed symptoms. At the time, there were no instructions to isolate. Mr. Liu said he and his friends all decided to do so anyway.
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I stayed at home for almost 20 days, he said.
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A cargo plane charted by the U.S. State Department to evacuate Americans from Wuhan in February.Credit...Edward Wang/Via Reuters
About 800 passengers on five charter flights were later evacuated from Wuhan by the U.S. government and directed to military bases, where they waited out two weeks of quarantine.
The charter flights began on Jan. 29. Instagram posts from one showed C.D.C. officials in full protective gear on the plane and escorting passengers after landing.
One group of passengers was eventually flown to Omaha to be taken by bus to a National Guard camp for quarantine. Video showed them accompanied by a full police escort, with lights flashing, helicopters overhead and intersections blocked off along the way.
This is actually a very effective strategy for the upcoming War of Secession from Progressive America. Child soldiers have shown themselves to be very effective in southern Sudan, Uganda, Liberia and Sierra Leone. They will be in the USA too. ...
P.S. This post is a joke...
Gunmaker at Vegas gun trade show, exhibits rebranded semi-automatic rifle for children inspired by the AR-15 machine gun, commonly used in U.S. mass shootings. What sick machination is this now, you ask?
Weeks after 6-year-old shoots teacher, Vegas holds a gun show offering JR-15 rifles for kids
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/1/17/2147712/-Weeks-after-6-year-old-shoots-teacher-Vegas-holds-a-gun-show-offering-JR-15-rifles-for-kids
AR-15 style rifle marketed for children showcased at Las Vegas gun convention: Despicable
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-rifle-ar-15-style-children-gun-show-las-vegas-20230118-7yuykl3rufguhlirrrtobmy2ka-story.html
Hey Tiny 12, it would seem apparently, that your American child soldiers, aren't really a joke after all, but just "good business", especially to those right-wing gunmakers, lobbyists and MTG gun-toting QAnon/Repub/MAGA types on the right.
Yep, American children are now..."just good gun business!"
In the future, the mental illness known as Trump Derangement Syndrome will be studied intensely.
It allowed dem douches to claim that Trump was responsible for the virus reaching America despite the fact that he banned Chinese from coming to America from China in January 2020, while his democrat opponents were calling him "racist", hugging Chinamen in the streets, and demanding all travel restrictions be lifted.
Clearly, with the full flight schedule that the democrats wanted, the virus would have spread far more quickly in the USA, resulting in more deaths. That is simple, obvious logic. Yet their TDS-addled brains refuse to accept it.
It is a deep-seated psychiatric phenomenon, similar to the Dancing Plague of 1518.Ahhh TDS Trump Devotion Syndrome clinical symptoms including:
Extreme feeble mindedness.
No capacity to reason or for critical thinking.
Easily conned to subscribing for recurring deductions from their bank account for the privilege of being a sucker.
Believing his lies over easily demonstrated truth.
Thinks they are patriots while supporting the destruction of the electoral process to install their Demigod as dictator for life.
Thinks a guy who turned over his entire cabinet on a yearly and semi annual basis is a genius.
Agrees every new hire is only the best as that is all he hires until he fires them months later as they are losers and inept at their jobs.
Thinks Trump actually was a big achiever even though economically before Covid achieved a performance on a par with Obama but blowing out what was a contracting deficit.
Its incredible to think with all the evidence of Trump being a total loser their are still people who think Trump is a genius. I guess the only cure would be to lock them up with the other losers who participated in the capital riots. Pretty sure they have lost their devotion complex.
Gunmaker at Vegas gun trade show, exhibits rebranded semi-automatic rifle for children inspired by the AR-15 machine gun, commonly used in U.S. mass shootings. What sick machination is this now, you ask?
Weeks after 6-year-old shoots teacher, Vegas holds a gun show offering JR-15 rifles for kids
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/1/17/2147712/-Weeks-after-6-year-old-shoots-teacher-Vegas-holds-a-gun-show-offering-JR-15-rifles-for-kids
AR-15 style rifle marketed for children showcased at Las Vegas gun convention: Despicable
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-rifle-ar-15-style-children-gun-show-las-vegas-20230118-7yuykl3rufguhlirrrtobmy2ka-story.html
Hey Tiny 12, it would seem apparently, that your American child soldiers, aren't really a joke after all, but just "good business", especially to those right-wing gunmakers, lobbyists and MTG gun-toting QAnon/Repub/MAGA types on the right.
Yep, American children are now..."just good gun business!"Yeah, we shouldn't be teaching kids how to exercise their Second Amendment rights. We should be telling them they're trannies and cutting their dicks off. Get your priorities right, conservative bigots!
Good point. Some of our friends here continually dance around that. Yeah, Trump made some fuck ups during COVID. But he also did some things right. That was one of them.I realize that Repubs like to use the "ban" word when talking about what Donnie the Dumbass did re China, but it absolutely was not a "ban".
Donnie the Dumbass banned flights from mainland China but did not ban flights from Macau or Hong Kong. Only Repubs would be stupid enough to believe that somebody from, say, Hong Kong, would not have visited relatives in Wuhan before flying to the US from Hong Kong. Only Repubs would be stupid enough to assume that nobody in Hong Kong had visitors from Wuhan before flying to the US.
Donnie the Dumbass didn't "ban" Chinese folks from flying from Europe to the US either. Only a Repub would believe that nobody from mainland China could have been infected and flown from Europe to the US.
I'd post one of the thousands of sources from the internet to support my comments but supporters of Donnie the Dumbass would say that those are "fake news".
If Donnie the Dumbass really banned Chinese, he would have required every person of Chinese ancestry to present a negative COVID test before flying and would have required every Chinese to take another COVID test upon landing.
Of course, the whole thing was mute because COVID was already in the US when Donnie the Dumbass issued his "ban that wasn't a ban". Nothing in the world signals stupidity more than closing the barn door after all the horses have escaped and then lying about it.
The Trump Derangement Syndrome is strong in this one.
You literally have videotape of Biden as VP, boasting about how he threatened to withhold a billion dollar loan from the US to Ukraine if they didn't fire the prosecutor who was investigating his corrupt son. Within a couple of hours, the prosecutor was gone.
That is open and clear corruption. The fact that he has not been indicted for it shows the level to which the DoJ is now a part of the corrupt globalist swamp.
We all know that if the same footage existed involving President Trump withholding US taxpayer money to force a foreign country to stop investigating one of his sons, it would be all over the fake news media every day and Merrick Garland, Adam Schiff or whichever Washington Jew is currently pulling the strings would have filed charges.
Just like Trump (or any non-RINO republican) would have been indicted for what Crooked Hillary did with her emails. An open and shut case, and she skated because. ? Because she is part of the Globohomo deep state establishment.
Claiming Hunter's corruption is nothing to do with Joe is moronic and ludicrous on its face. Hunter is a druggie dropout imbecile with no discernible skills or talents. Yet he was given high-paying no-work jobs on all kinds of Ukrainian and Chinese companies. Why? For access to his VP father, who altered US policy to fit his son / bagman's interests.
Finally, your foolish comment about Trump not starting any wars makes no sense, even by your own low standards of logic.
Putin took Crimea when Obama was president. For four years, Trump had him under control (as well as Kim Jong-un and the Chinese). Not a peep out of any of them.
Then as soon as Sleepy Joe is fraudulently installed and America is shamefully driven out of Afghanistan by the Taliban, Putin correctly senses weakness and invades Ukraine. Meanwhile Kim restarts his nuke tests, China starts threatening Taiwan, and the Saudis abandon the petrodollar (big news). Well done, Sleepy Joe!For God's sake, you really need to take your meds and stay on them.
Donnie didn't ban anybody
Donnie banned flights from mainland ChinaSo, did he ban anybody or didn't he? Don't think too hard, you'll have a cognitive dissonance-related aneurysm.
Ahhh TDS Trump Devotion Syndrome clinical symptoms including:
No capacity to reason or for critical thinking.And yet no response from you to the fact that Trump banned Chinese from coming to America from China in January 2020, while his democrat opponents were calling him "racist", hugging Chinamen in the streets, and demanding all travel restrictions be lifted.
Clearly, with the full flight schedule that the democrats wanted, the virus would have spread far more quickly in the USA, resulting in more deaths. That is simple, obvious logic.
Try thinking critically about that, and see what happens. In your case, probably nothing more than cross eyes and a nosebleed. But more intelligent people have seen the light.
I guess the only cure would be to lock them up with the other losers who participated in the capital riots. Pretty sure they have lost their devotion complex.You advocate the mass imprisonment of political opponents in America. That attitude is not uncommon among leftists. Don't act shocked when it comes back to bite you in the ass.
So, did he ban anybody or didn't he? Don't think too hard, you'll have a cognitive dissonance-related aneurysm.I meant to say everybody from China. Everyone with a brain knows what I meant so it is no wonder that you don't.
In any case, Donnie the Dumbass didn't ban everybody from China. He didn't ban people flying from Hong Kong or from Macau. He didn't ban Chinese people flying from the US through Europe. He didn't ban US citizens from flying from China to the US.
In fact, SARS-CoV-2 was already present in the US. So what Donnie the Dumbass did was to close one of the two barn doors after all of the horses escaped. Only an idiot would think otherwise.
So, did he ban anybody or didn't he? Don't think too hard, you'll have a cognitive dissonance-related aneurysm.No, Trump did not ban all flights from China and no, his 2020 Dem opponent did not call him "racist" for something he didn't do.
Now, since you, "good point" Tiny and other wingers are so concerned about future studies on certain kinds of mental illness, you will be happy, perhaps extraordinarily inappropriately happy, to learn the kind exhibited by you, detachment from reality, hallucinations, imagining things were done and said that were never done or said, etc has already been fully studied and noted:
deranged
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deranged
:mentally unsoundMental illness
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/mental-illness/symptoms-causes/syc-20374968
Symptoms
Signs and symptoms of mental illness can vary, depending on the disorder, circumstances and other factors. Mental illness symptoms can affect emotions, thoughts and behaviors.
Examples of signs and symptoms include:
Feeling sad or down
Confused thinking or reduced ability to concentrate
Excessive fears or worries, or extreme feelings of guilt
Extreme mood changes of highs and lows
Withdrawal from friends and activities
Significant tiredness, low energy or problems sleeping
Detachment from reality (delusions), paranoia or hallucinations
Inability to cope with daily problems or stress
More...
And yet no response from you to the fact that Trump banned Chinese from coming to America from China in January 2020, while his democrat opponents were calling him "racist", hugging Chinamen in the streets, and demanding all travel restrictions be lifted.
Clearly, with the full flight schedule that the democrats wanted, the virus would have spread far more quickly in the USA, resulting in more deaths. That is simple, obvious logic.
Try thinking critically about that, and see what happens. In your case, probably nothing more than cross eyes and a nosebleed. But more intelligent people have seen the light.
You advocate the mass imprisonment of political opponents in America. That attitude is not uncommon among leftists. Don't act shocked when it comes back to bite you in the ass.If, by "seeing the light", you mean somebody shining a flashlight into one of your ears and seeing light from the flashlight exit the other ear, then you are absolutely correct. Anybody who is still convinced that Donnie the Dumbass "banned" all flights from China is, however, far from intelligent.
Yeah, we shouldn't be teaching kids how to exercise their Second Amendment rights. We should be telling them they're trannies and cutting their dicks off. Get your priorities right, conservative bigots! Right! And naturally of course, with right-wing conservative parents, it's just a must have to buy their kids, "kiddy friendly" AR-15 style assault rifles in order to teach them how to exercise their 2nd Amendment Rights?
But hey, why stop there with AR-15's, in order to teach the kids? Go big, or go home, right! So let's kick it up a notch and bring on the "John Rambo" next-level style "kiddy friendly" guns and arms, because for conservatives, it's all or nothing for their kids, when it comes to teaching / exercising their kids 2nd Amendment Rights.
So who better than the willing "death dealers", who are more than happy to provide that next-level, big machinations of "kiddy friendly" style guns, arms and ammo, to satiate even the most ravenous conservative appetites, when it comes teaching their kids how to exercise their 2nd Amendment Rights.
Yep, so much like the alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceutical companies, the "death dealers" (aka. The gunmakers and arm dealers), are only too happy and willing, to pony-up to get their chance at at the "kiddy-trough" and provide the next big kiddy friendly, "gateway drug" of choice for kids. Which at the moment, for the "death dealers", seems to be the "kiddy friendly" AR-15 styled assault rifles.
But really, what next-level "kiddy friendly" machinations will the "death dealers" dream up next, you ask?
Well, how about "kiddy friendly" bazookas, "kiddy friendly" C4, "kiddy friendly" Claymores, "kiddy friendly" grenade launchers, or the all new and improved "kiddy friendly" bombers-vest (for real child soldiers).
Yep, just no end of possibilities, to the "kiddy friendly" guns and arms, when teaching your kids how to exercise their 2nd Amendment Rights.
So why indeed, stop at "kiddy friendly" AR-15 style assault rifles?
And yet no response from you to the fact that Trump banned Chinese from coming to America from China in January 2020, while his democrat opponents were calling him "racist", hugging Chinamen in the streets, and demanding all travel restrictions be lifted.
Clearly, with the full flight schedule that the democrats wanted, the virus would have spread far more quickly in the USA, resulting in more deaths. That is simple, obvious logic.
Try thinking critically about that, and see what happens. In your case, probably nothing more than cross eyes and a nosebleed. But more intelligent people have seen the light.
You advocate the mass imprisonment of political opponents in America. That attitude is not uncommon among leftists. Don't act shocked when it comes back to bite you in the ass.I made no comment about China. I was just correcting your definition of TDS. I was pointing out that the vast majority of rioter who were so wound up to protest on Jan 6 suddlenly became very apologetic when 1. They got held to account and 2. Donny provided no support to them whatsoever.
Right! And naturally of course, with right-wing conservative parents, it's just a must have to buy their kids, "kiddy friendly" AR-15 style assault rifles in order to teach them how to exercise their 2nd Amendment Rights?
Yes. Next.
I meant to say everybody from China. Everyone with a brain knows what I meant so it is no wonder that you don't.
Lame and weak cope. You are a native speaker of English and you wrote "anybody", not "everybody", which has a completely different meaning. Just dry your eyes, put on your big boy pants and accept the L before your nose starts bleeding.
Lame and weak cope. You are a native speaker of English and you wrote "anybody", not "everybody", which has a completely different meaning. Just dry your eyes, put on your big boy pants and accept the L before your nose starts bleeding.Yes, I am a native English speaker and yes, I made a mistake. At least I admit my mistakes. Unlike you who simply doubles down on the bullshit just like Donnie the Dumbass did.
Please post a source that backs up your assertion that Donnie the Dumbass "banned" all flights from China. Or post a source that says that Donnie the Dumbass banned all Chinese from entering the US. I will wait patiently since that are absolutely no sources that say that either one of those things happened.
So, since you have no sources, what your contention really means is that Donnie the Dumbass (being the dumbass that he was {and still is} and ignoring the fact that COVID was already in the US) closed one of multiple barn doors after the animals had escaped.
I made no comment about China. I was just correcting your definition of TDS. I was pointing out that the vast majority of rioter who were so wound up to protest on Jan 6 suddlenly became very apologetic when 1. They got held to account and 2. Donny provided no support to them whatsoever.It is extremely amusing to me that supporters of Donnie the Dumbass throw around TDS like it means something yet completely ignore the fact that they exhibit symptoms of TCS. Trump Cult Syndrome. People suffering from TCS can be identified by a slavish devotion to Donnie the Dumbass, by twisting their arguments in such a way as to try to make light of what Donnie the Dumbass did / said / tweeted, by believing every cockamamie conspiracy theory floated by Donnie the Dumbass and / or other TCS sufferers. Finally, TCS sufferers prove by their every post that whomever came up with the following quotation (A. Lincoln, Mark Twain, the Bible or?) was absolutely correct. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt".
Yes. Next.
That's right, "Next Up", is Death Dealers marketing team and their "kiddy friendly" line of products, to the ravenous conservative families, looking supersize their kids "John Rambo" fantasties.
Yeah, we shouldn't be teaching kids how to exercise their Second Amendment rights. ... Get your priorities right, conservative bigots!
So in my made up scenario, here's how the pretend marketing ad at the local gun dealer might happen, w/r a conservative family purchase of next-level "John Rambo" guns and arms, to teach kids how to exercise their 2nd Amendment Rights:
- "Hey, so don't forget here at Death Dealers, Guns and Ammo "R" Us, you get a big family discount, when ordering our "kiddy friendly" 2nd Amendment special family pack."
- "That's right folks, that includes a "kiddy friendly" bombers-vest, a 15-piece bucket of grenades, a six (6)-pack of C4, the .223 Remington family pack of bullets and a 500ml bottle of nitroglycerin to wash that all down. It'll be just like ordering from your local fried chicken restaurant, easy as 1,2,3. Ouuu-weeee!"
- "Heck, twice as spicy, gunpowder finger licking good, a bigger bang for your buck and the whole family is sure to have bombastic good ol' time, when teaching those 2nd Amendment Rights and getting those so called vaunted priorities straight. Yep, guaranteed good fun for the whole darn family."
Ok, don't get bent outta shape, it's all in good fun...just kidding! I know conservative families aren't anything like that...I think?
Beijing4987
01-26-23, 22:07
Anybody remember the 12 year old girl that offed her firearms instructor with an Uzi? As the Secretary of Offense Rumsfeld who conquered I Rock might say "the 2nd is messy" But let's argue about semantics with the resident language experts.
Gunmaker at Vegas gun trade show, exhibits rebranded semi-automatic rifle for children inspired by the AR-15 machine gun, commonly used in U.S. mass shootings. What sick machination is this now, you ask?
Weeks after 6-year-old shoots teacher, Vegas holds a gun show offering JR-15 rifles for kids
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/1/17/2147712/-Weeks-after-6-year-old-shoots-teacher-Vegas-holds-a-gun-show-offering-JR-15-rifles-for-kids
AR-15 style rifle marketed for children showcased at Las Vegas gun convention: Despicable
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-rifle-ar-15-style-children-gun-show-las-vegas-20230118-7yuykl3rufguhlirrrtobmy2ka-story.html
Hey Tiny 12, it would seem apparently, that your American child soldiers, aren't really a joke after all, but just "good business", especially to those right-wing gunmakers, lobbyists and MTG gun-toting QAnon/Repub/MAGA types on the right.
Yep, American children are now..."just good gun business!"
That's right, "Next Up", is Death Dealers marketing team and their "kiddy friendly" line of products, to the ravenous conservative families, looking supersize their kids "John Rambo" fantasties....
Right! And naturally of course, with right-wing conservative parents, it's just a must have to buy their kids, "kiddy friendly" AR-15 style assault rifles in order to teach them how to exercise their 2nd Amendment Rights?....?Damn, I would have loved to have had one of those when I was a kid!
What's the big deal? It's a .22 rifle with a 5 round magazine that looks cool. And it has a special patented "tamper resistant safety", designed so that a kid can't fire the gun unless an adult is around to release the safety.
These guns are not preparing right-wing children to become mass murderers. That's ridiculous. Rather they're preparing them to become right-wing American soldiers, so Democratic Presidents can ship them off to die in foreign countries, just like they've done for the last 100 some odd years. Young men from rural America are disproportionately blown away in wars, while children of elite urban and suburban Democrats sit out wars behind desks and in college.
I would dare say that a right-wing young adult who grew up around hunting rifles has a better chance of surviving combat than one who didn't.
626,761 soldiers killed under Democratic Presidents, 26,895 killed under Republican Presidents:
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/letters/2016/03/15/which-party-responsible-most-war-casualties/81845842/
Derangement and Mental Illness
No, Trump did not ban all flights from China and no, his 2020 Dem opponent did not call him "racist" for something he didn't do.
Now, since you, "good point" Tiny and other wingers are so concerned about future studies on certain kinds of mental illness, you will be happy, perhaps extraordinarily inappropriately happy, to learn the kind exhibited by you, detachment from reality, hallucinations, imagining things were done and said that were never done or said, etc has already been fully studied and noted:
deranged
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deranged
Mental illness
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/mental-illness/symptoms-causes/syc-20374968Deranged? Mentally ill? OK buddy boy, I'm taking the gloves off.
Yes. Next.I have an upset stomach and every time I sat down on the can the last couple of days, I've been reading about restrictions on flights from China to the USA. And my conclusion is that Tooms and PVMonger don't know what they're talking about. I've got a lot going on at work, but I shall return soon. And we shall kick some blue ass, Brother Chris. There will be cyberblood!
Deranged? Mentally ill? OK buddy boy, I'm taking the gloves off.
I have an upset stomach and every time I sat down on the can the last couple of days, I've been reading about restrictions on flights from China to the USA. And my conclusion is that Tooms and PVMonger don't know what they're talking about. I've got a lot going on at work, but I shall return soon. And we shall kick some blue ass, Brother Chris. There will be cyberblood!Since you have determined the I don't know what I'm talking about, why don't you come to Chrissie's defense and show some links that show that Donnie the Dumbass "banned" all flights from China to the USA and / or that he "banned" all Chinese from entering the US. Also try to post some links that disprove that SARS-CoV-2 was already present in the US by the time Donnie the Dumbass issued his so-called "ban".
I'll wait.
I've got a lot going on at work, but I shall return soon. And we shall kick some blue ass, Brother Chris. Buddying up with Chris? Your stock just went way down.
Elvis 2008
01-27-23, 18:33
Donnie the Dumbass banned flights from mainland China but did not ban flights from Macau or Hong Kong. Only Repubs would be stupid enough to believe that somebody from, say, Hong Kong, would not have visited relatives in Wuhan before flying to the US from Hong Kong. Only Repubs would be stupid enough to assume that nobody in Hong Kong had visitors from Wuhan before flying to the US.Actually, the Chinese data shows that the virus did not spread much. In fact, there were very few cases outside of Wuhan per Chinese data. Normally, I would be suspicious of this but the truth is that China evaded Covid for a long time so I suspect this data was accurate. So your contention that Covid was present in Hong Kong and Macau is way off from what the data shows.
But the real issue with me is the fucking hypocrisy. When Colombia shut down all air travel to its country, I fought about how stupid that was and how harmful it was, and I had these Democratic douches arguing with me every step of the way. There were so many Colombians who were thrown off the job, and they were locked in save for one hour a week to buy groceries as the whole nation was shut down. I gifted money to some Colombian women then experimenting with giving gifts during a period of extreme crisis. I wondered if the gift giving would result in increased gratitude or increased greed, and I got a 50-50 response. But I will say said generosity opened the door to a true 10 and a beauty queen, a literal Miss Cartagena.
And yes, if not for the Democratic douche response to Covid, I would not have met my current woman. I will ask this PVM, seeing as how I keep cashing in on your Democratic stupidity / douchery, does that make me smart or a "moron"?
So yeah, Trump bans travel from China, and it did not work, but you know what is smart? Colombia and Peru shutting off all travel per you Dems. Lockdowns, masks, social distancing, and all the bureaucratic bullshit we have had to endure for years was smart too per you Dems.
And you cannot compare Peru and Sweden I was told. Peru went hard core with Covid, and Sweden treated it with kid gloves and Peru had a much higher death rate. No, you were only allowed to compare Sweden to countries with a lower death rate, a principle Democrats tried to claim was scientific not political. The real question is which model won out in the end?
And for all your belly aching about Trump, I have two questions and the answers. What country was spared from Covid? None. Which president had more cases and deaths under their watch, Biden or Trump? Of course, it was Biden.
This of course is the epitome of Democratic douchery. There is not one speck of credible evidence to say Trump was responsible for the pandemic but you douches keep blaming him for it. In the mean time, the parties truly responsible for the virus, China and a few scum bags in the American bureaucracy, get off scot free.
Elvis 2008
01-27-23, 18:46
Damn, I would have loved to have had one of those when I was a kid!
What's the big deal? It's a .22 rifle with a 5 round magazine that looks cool. And it has a special patented "tamper resistant safety", designed so that a kid can't fire the gun unless an adult is around to release the safety.
These guns are not preparing right-wing children to become mass murderers. That's ridiculous. Rather they're preparing them to become right-wing American soldiers, so Democratic Presidents can ship them off to die in foreign countries, just like they've done for the last 100 some odd years. Young men from rural America are disproportionately blown away in wars, while children of elite urban and suburban Democrats sit out wars behind desks and in college.
I would dare say that a right-wing young adult who grew up around hunting rifles has a better chance of surviving combat than one who didn't.
Yeah, look at this data: https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/.
For all the bullshit about rifles, they kill very few people in comparison to handguns or knives.
It is the last one that has gotten me as I have talked to an ER nurse who says they have seen an explosion of stabbings in recent months, and you can guess as to why IMO. Can the police freak out on someone with a knife like they can a gun?
It is pretty obvious the crackdown on rifles is not for public safety based on the data but government safety.
Burgers and Bullets. Anybody remember the 12 year old girl that offed her firearms instructor with an Uzi? As the Secretary of Offense Rumsfeld who conquered
I Rock might say "the 2nd is messy" But let's argue about semantics with the resident language experts. "Burgers and Bullets", very apt. Donno, perhaps your example, is KARMA at work?
Although, I can't say that I remember this case, I guess, "kiddy gun rage" is perhaps the latest thing in gun violence, that the "death dealers", are now catering towards.
So far this year 2023 in the US, there have been 42 mass murders, as of Jan 24th. Just Staggering!!
I made no comment about China. I was just correcting your definition of TDS. I was pointing out that the vast majority of rioter who were so wound up to protest on Jan 6 suddlenly became very apologetic when 1. They got held to account and 2. Donny provided no support to them whatsoever.Would you have preferred if Trump had cheered them on, as Kamala Harris did to the far more violent, widespread and long-lasting leftist riots of 2020?
No, Trump did not ban all flights from China and no, his 2020 Dem opponent did not call him "racist" for something he didn't do.I didn't say Trump banned all flights from China. There were many American citizens and green card holders in China whom he had no right to ban from returning home. (Can you imagine the frothing, unhinged meltdown of the democrats, the fake news media, and the leftist judiciary if he had tried to ban Americans from reaching their own country?) However, he did ban non-citizens and non-residents from flying from China, which greatly reduced numbers and reduced the early spread of the virus.
The ban was made official on January 31st. Later the same day, Biden made a speech accusing Trump of "hysterical xenophobia", and he repeated the line in a tweet the following day.
The democrats wanted completely open travel from China. The fact that you leftists now try to rewrite history is testament to how far you have strayed from empirical, factual reality. Men are women. Biden is mentally competent. The BLM / antifa riots were "fiery but peaceful". The border is secure. Mass mail-in voting is the most secure form of election. The democrats supported the China travel ban.
No wonder you had to create the phrase "my truth" instead of "the truth".
So who has the most to win? Kamala Harris? Pete Buttigieg? Nah. My money says it was a protege of Tooms' hero, Elizabeth Warren.
Most influential voice: Warrens network spreads throughout Biden administration
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/15/elizabeth-warren-aides-biden-administration-475653
She's thoroughly infiltrated the Biden Administration. And if she'll stab your man Bernie in the back, and she did, we damn well know she'll go after Biden. But Pocahontas wised up. That episode with Bernie didn't work out so well. So undoubtedly she's working in the shadows now.
If you think Biden is bad, just wait until we have a government run by Elizabeth Warren.The democrat-media-Wall St-military industrial deep state are realising that Biden is just too far gone mentally, and too unpopular, to try to drag him over the line in 2024 even with vast mail-in ballot fraud. That's why they are finally starting to acknowledge his corruption. Once they start talking about Tara Reade, inappropriate showers with 13 year olds, and hair sniffing, you'll know for sure they want him out.
Covid restrictions have been lifted so the 2024 candidate will need to be out and about on the campaign trail, not hiding in his basement reading autocues. Kamala is just too stupid and incompetent, not to mention unlikeable and a literal ho, and America won't elect an open sodomite like Buttigieg. (Buttigieg the South Bender. LOL).
But I don't think they'll try and parachute in Pocahontas. She's too old and too goofy. More likely it will be Gavin Newsom, who at least looks the part despite accelerating the ruin of the formerly great state of California. You can just imagine all the soft-pedal swoony fake news with lots of grinning. They'll be going hard for the single fat ageing SSRI catlady vote.
Alternatively they might try to get Michelle Obama in there. The fake news has spent years hiding her grifting angry black woman nature and trying to build her up into some kind of saintly figure. Any criticism of her during the campaign will be deemed "racist" and Big Tech / fake news will censor and cancel it.
Hey ChucoLoco, the Marquis is messing with you. He's playing bad cop to my good cop, in our struggle to save Democrats' souls.I daresay they were sold long ago.
Since you have determined the I don't know what I'm talking about, why don't you come to Chrissie's defense and show some links that show that Donnie the Dumbass "banned" all flights from China to the USA and / or that he "banned" all Chinese from entering the US. Also try to post some links that disprove that SARS-CoV-2 was already present in the US by the time Donnie the Dumbass issued his so-called "ban".
I'll wait.None of them can produce such links, nor of Biden calling Trump a "racist" for it because they don't exist. They don't exist because those things never happened. Yet they agreed that merely saying things happened and were said that in fact never happened or were said was a "good point" to make in a discussion.
Repubs and pro Repub Bothsider / Neithersiders, LOL. What a luxury it must be to simply make stuff up and declare victory for it. Glad I never joined that club except for my one unfortunate flirtation with ill-informed idiotic Bothsiderism when I foolishly and forever regrettably voted for Reagan over Carter.
Reagan was the earliest incarnation of the Repubs' political success in producing horrific results under the guise of doing it just to "own the libs. " Oh, for sure Repubs were producing horrific results decades before Reagan. But it was with Reagan when they finally give up trying but failing to explain that it wasn't due to their repeatedly idiotic policies and that, hey look ma', they do it intentionally just for the hell of it and for the fun of producing horrific results for America in order to "own the libs".
Brilliant.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt".Kinda like somebody who pretends not to know the difference between "anybody" and "everybody".
Of course, the whole thing was mute because COVID was already in the US...It's "moot", not "mute". Mute is what you should be (see above).
I have an upset stomach and every time I sat down on the can the last couple of days, I've been reading about restrictions on flights from China to the USA. And my conclusion is that Tooms and PVMonger don't know what they're talking about. I've got a lot going on at work, but I shall return soon. And we shall kick some blue ass, Brother Chris. There will be cyberblood!You are a scholar and a gentleman, sir.
Since you have determined the I don't know what I'm talking about, why don't you come to Chrissie's defense and show some links that show that Donnie the Dumbass "banned" all flights from China to the USA and / or that he "banned" all Chinese from entering the US. Also try to post some links that disprove that SARS-CoV-2 was already present in the US by the time Donnie the Dumbass issued his so-called "ban".
Stop strawmanning. You've already taken a huge and humiliating L on this. Why keep drawing attention to it?
I didn't say Trump banned all flights from China. There were many US citizens and legal residents there. Can you imagine the hysterical meltdown from the democrat / fake news / leftist judiciary / alphabet agency deep state if he had blocked Americans from returning home? Of course he would not do that.
What he did was ban non-citizens and non-residents from flying to America from the country at the centre of outbreak. There is no doubt that this saved many lives by lessening the initial speed of the spread of the virus, and buying America time to prepare for it.
There is also no doubt that, after the ban became official on January 31st, Biden made a speech later that day calling it "hysterical xenophobia", an allegation he repeated in a tweet the following day.
This is becoming painful to watch even for someone like me who enjoys exposing leftist hypocrisy, wrongheadedness and cognitive dissonance. Please, for the sake of your own mental health, just accept the loss and move on.
So far this year 2023 in the US, there have been 42 mass murders, as of Jan 24th. Just Staggering!!Really? How many of them were carried out with handguns, not AR-15's, in (ahem) democrat-voting urban ghettos?
Why do democrats and fake news endlessly rant about AR-15's owned by white people, when the majority of shootings are carried out with handguns by non-white people?
That's right, "Next Up", is Death Dealers marketing team and their "kiddy friendly" line of products, to the ravenous conservative families, looking supersize their kids "John Rambo" fantasties.
So in my made up scenario, here's how the pretend marketing ad at the local gun dealer might happen, w/r a conservative family purchase of next-level "John Rambo" guns and arms, to teach kids how to exercise their 2nd Amendment Rights:
- "Hey, so don't forget here at Death Dealers, Guns and Ammo "R" Us, you get a big family discount, when ordering our "kiddy friendly" 2nd Amendment special family pack."
- "That's right folks, that includes a "kiddy friendly" bombers-vest, a 15-piece bucket of grenades, a six (6)-pack of C4, the .223 Remington family pack of bullets and a 500ml bottle of nitroglycerin to wash that all down. It'll be just like ordering from your local fried chicken restaurant, easy as 1,2,3. Ouuu-weeee!"
- "Heck, twice as spicy, gunpowder finger licking good, a bigger bang for your buck and the whole family is sure to have bombastic good ol' time, when teaching those 2nd Amendment Rights and getting those so called vaunted priorities straight. Yep, guaranteed good fun for the whole darn family."
Ok, don't get bent outta shape, it's all in good fun...just kidding! I know conservative families aren't anything like that...I think?Was this an attempt at comedy? It failed.
A very important story that hasn't got nearly the coverage it deserves: Saudi Arabia has just agreed to accept Chinese yuan for its oil.
For several decades, Saudi (and through them OPEC) has been a rock-solid US ally, enforcing the petrodollar system. This means (or rather meant) that they would only accept US dollars as payment for oil.
Pretty much everywhere in the world needs oil, so they were all forced to convert their currencies into dollars to obtain it. This allowed the US to maintain its global supremacy despite decades of clownworld economic policies which have led to a $30 trillion and rising national debt, hundreds of trillions of unfunded liabilities, and the outsourcing of most of our industry.
The main reason Saddam and Gaddafi were overthrown by the US was that they both intended to start selling their country's oil in a currency other than the US Dollar. And now the Saudis, the lynchpin of OPEC and the US petrodollar system, are about to do just that. It's over.
Readers should note that less than six years ago President Trump made a hugely successful state visit to Saudi Arabia, in which he cemented ties, made fantastic trade deals which benefitted America and Americans with many billions of dollars and tens of thousands of high-paying jobs, and more broadly and importantly ensured the continued global dominance of the petrodollar and through it the USA.
It has taken just two years of the Biden Vegminstration to undermine and destroy the relationship with the Saudis and the petrodollar system. Really quite astonishing.
Perhaps it was Biden himself saying that Saudi Arabia should be "a pariah state"; or that weird, twitchy, failed wannabe rock star Jew Secretary of State Blinken announcing proudly that he continually browbeats the Saudis at every meeting for their refusal to allow faggots to sodomize each other in public or groom children like civilized countries do; or the abject, shameful weakness shown by Biden in allowing the Taliban to drive America out of Afghanistan and failing to stop Russia invading Ukraine; or a combination of the above. But the outcome is that America is fast losing its global dominance and power, and we will be weaker, poorer, and lesser as a result.
Great job, Sleepy Joe (and your handlers).
Beijing4987
01-27-23, 23:33
On August 28,2014 at Burgers and Bullets restaurant and shooting range in Arizona, a nine year old girl wielding an Uzi stitched a few rounds into her firearms instructor's skull, ending his teaching career. The Mimi AR is perfect for children. Second Amendment with less kickback. Comes with a collapsible stock to fit in a backpack.
Damn, I would have loved to have had one of those when I was a kid! ...Okay!
BTW, I couldn't help but chuckle, because it made me think of Chris P's young "gay/tranny" scenario and what if, he too like you, is now (hypothetically of course), as a grown adult, is also lamenting the fact, "he would have loved to have 'one of those' when he was a kid!" (Note: I'm sure you'll figure out the "one of those" meaning, given Chris P's scenario).
Well I guess, I would tell you both the same thing, ...if you don't have "one of those" things now, it's never too late and is there's anything stopping you from getting one now?" (...kkkk!)
Say what now, what is this, you say?
...Rather they're preparing them to become right-wing American soldiers, so Democratic Presidents can ship them off to die in foreign countries, just like they've done for the last 100 some odd years. Hmmmmm...is that so?
I was always led to think (not that I believed it, but), that it was the ambition of every Repub to "just own the libs" (as you Repubs/MAGA ISG BMs have told us countless times) and has always been (to least to my knowledge) the prevailing Repub mantra of the day.
Well according to your statement, you and your fellow right-wing conservative parents and families are raising (or as you put it, "preparing") your very young to be "American ('Child') Soldiers", to run-off to war and fight for Dem. Presidents. Well, so much for "owning the libs". (...kkkk!) It appears to be a self-fulling prophecy, according this logic. I didn't think the the self-loathing on the right was this bad, but I guess you've confirmed it. The Dems didn't even have to lift a finger.
I mean, the very fact that what you're saying, basically sounds like conservative Repub parents are "preparing" their young, to be used as "cannon fodder", isn't in the least bit alarming to you, as a conservative? And even worse, you seem to be endorsing conservative parenting using its young children, as future "Democrat cannon fodder", of all things?
Tiny 12, I guess this is what Donnie "the Devil" J. Dummkopf, meant when he said "...I love the poorly educated people". Perhaps, he thinks they make "good cannon fodder", too?
... while children of elite urban and suburban Democrats sit out wars behind desks and in college. Yeah, you're so RIGHT!!! Who the fudge, needs to go to school anyways, RIGHT?
I mean, for those of us on the right after all, our right-wing dogma, tells us, "RIGHT is MIGHT" and that we teach our kids that the best way to solve their problems, is with a gun, (bazooka, grenade launcher, SAM or GTAM, at the ready or) in hand.
Who ever said, "the pen is mightier than the sword", don't know shit! So why even have schools at all? RIGHT! (Hint: Read, a large dose of sarcasm)
So much for educating our kids, that "the pen IS (indeed) mightier than the sword". Or perhaps said education, is ONLY just for the "libs"?
Talk about literally throwing right-wing kids on a "grenade/landmine" and "under the bus", for conservative parenting values everywhere. (...kkkk!)
Stop strawmanning. You've already taken a huge and humiliating L on this. Why keep drawing attention to it?
I didn't say Trump banned all flights from China. There were many US citizens and legal residents there. Can you imagine the hysterical meltdown from the democrat / fake news / leftist judiciary / alphabet agency deep state if he had blocked Americans from returning home? Of course he would not do that.
What he did was ban non-citizens and non-residents from flying to America from the country at the centre of outbreak. There is no doubt that this saved many lives by lessening the initial speed of the spread of the virus, and buying America time to prepare for it.
There is also no doubt that, after the ban became official on January 31st, Biden made a speech later that day calling it "hysterical xenophobia", an allegation he repeated in a tweet the following day.
This is becoming painful to watch even for someone like me who enjoys exposing leftist hypocrisy, wrongheadedness and cognitive dissonance. Please, for the sake of your own mental health, just accept the loss and move on.
In the future, the mental illness known as Trump Derangement Syndrome will be studied intensely.
It allowed dem douches to claim that Trump was responsible for the virus reaching America despite the fact that he banned Chinese from coming to America from China in January 2020, while his democrat opponents were calling him "racist", hugging Chinamen in the streets, and demanding all travel restrictions be lifted.
Clearly, with the full flight schedule that the democrats wanted, the virus would have spread far more quickly in the USA, resulting in more deaths. That is simple, obvious logic. Yet their TDS-addled brains refuse to accept it.
It is a deep-seated psychiatric phenomenon, similar to the Dancing Plague of 1518.True, you didn't say Trump banned "all flights from China". Actually, you did not reference it to "flights" but to a national origin; "Chinese".
You also didn't say Trump banned "all" Chinese from coming to America from China. However, you also didn't say he banned "some" Chinese from coming to America from China. The absence of a qualifier served your intention to bamboozle the ill-informed into concluding, incorrectly, that Trump prevented Chinese people from spreading Trump's Pandemic virus into America. Which he obviously did not do.
And it is interesting that even you could not continue that Chinese "ban" nonsense as illustrated by your dance from "ban" to "restrictions" for your later inaccuracy. Ah, you showed signs of inching closer to the truth about Trump's too little too late move regarding preventing Chinese from bringing Trump's Pandemic virus to America.
But even there you applied the wrong word to the event. In fact, in that case the Dems really were trying to lift a Trump "ban".
On that last part, I assume you were talking about Pelosi putting up for a vote Trump's unconstitutional "ban" on Muslims entering America from some predominantly Muslim countries in January 2020, right?
Uh. That had nothing to do with Trump restricting some flights originating from China. Nor did it have anything to do with lifting testing efforts for anyone of any religion trying to enter America.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/480070-pelosi-says-house-will-vote-on-bill-to-repeal-travel-ban/
Again, that kind dancing around, conflating unrelated events and crafty wordplay might dazzle, confuse and bamboozle the ill-informed into buying your nonsense. But the actual, verifiable reports of the facts thoroughly debunk it. Which no doubt is why you avoid including links for that junk like a vampire avoids Sunlight.
Now, please regale us with nonsense about how many millions of lives Trump saved by creating Trump's Pandemic in the first place when he ignored all expert dire warnings not to do something so stupid and dangerous as to defund and remove the very Pandemic Prevention and Response Team officials put in place to give a critical 2-3 month heads up about potential Pandemic spreads as soon as the earliest cases emerge, from 2018 and into 2019 right up to 5 months before those first Covid-19 cases emerged in China.
A very important story that hasn't got nearly the coverage it deserves: Saudi Arabia has just agreed to accept Chinese yuan for its oil.
Perhaps it was Biden himself saying that Saudi Arabia should be "a pariah state"Am curious Chris. Do you think that there is no end to the lengths that a country should go to for financial gain? I appreciate you don't value to rights of certain sectors of society, but do you not recognise the riights of anyone other than USA, irs allies and those that bend the knee?
Really? How many of them were carried out with handguns, not AR-15's, in (ahem) democrat-voting urban ghettos? ...
I get what your saying Chris. Your solution is to give more people in urban cities AR-15's, just like the people have in the burbs, rural and on the country farms. Brilliant, now why didn't I think of that. You might be right brother Chris, you just might be right!
Handguns, definitely just ain't gonna cut-it, no more, for us city slickers!
Yeah, I guess it's only right, that both urban and rural America, get equally ready for the impending war, known to those on the right as, "Zombie Trannyland: The Dickless Apocalypse War".
Best get ready y'all!
Really? How many of them were carried out with handguns, not AR-15's, in (ahem) democrat-voting urban ghettos? ...
Yes, do tell? How many?
A very important story that hasn't got nearly the coverage it deserves: Saudi Arabia has just agreed to accept Chinese yuan for its oil.
For several decades, Saudi (and through them OPEC) has been a rock-solid US ally, enforcing the petrodollar system. This means (or rather meant) that they would only accept US dollars as payment for oil.
Pretty much everywhere in the world needs oil, so they were all forced to convert their currencies into dollars to obtain it. This allowed the US to maintain its global supremacy despite decades of clownworld economic policies which have led to a $30 trillion and rising national debt, hundreds of trillions of unfunded liabilities, and the outsourcing of most of our industry.
The main reason Saddam and Gaddafi were overthrown by the US was that they both intended to start selling their country's oil in a currency other than the US Dollar. And now the Saudis, the lynchpin of OPEC and the US petrodollar system, are about to do just that. It's over.
Readers should note that less than six years ago President Trump made a hugely successful state visit to Saudi Arabia, in which he cemented ties, made fantastic trade deals which benefitted America and Americans with many billions of dollars and tens of thousands of high-paying jobs, and more broadly and importantly ensured the continued global dominance of the petrodollar and through it the USA.
It has taken just two years of the Biden Vegminstration to undermine and destroy the relationship with the Saudis and the petrodollar system. Really quite astonishing.
Perhaps it was Biden himself saying that Saudi Arabia should be "a pariah state"; or that weird, twitchy, failed wannabe rock star Jew Secretary of State Blinken announcing proudly that he continually browbeats the Saudis at every meeting for their refusal to allow faggots to sodomize each other in public or groom children like civilized countries do; or the abject, shameful weakness shown by Biden in allowing the Taliban to drive America out of Afghanistan and failing to stop Russia invading Ukraine; or a combination of the above. But the outcome is that America is fast losing its global dominance and power, and we will be weaker, poorer, and lesser as a result.
Great job, Sleepy Joe (and your handlers).The Petrodollar is a myth. Always has been.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/douglasbulloch/2018/04/26/the-petro-dollar-is-a-myth-the-petro-yuan-mere-fantasy/?sh=36edc83f6a14
https://youtu.be/ICSdZbEMZd0
More truth coming out. USA is a free speech democracy??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD6BAX_IGHg
Here is Tooms quoting from the New York Times.
Since Chinese officials disclosed the outbreak of a mysterious pneumonialike illness to international health officials on New Years Eve, at least 430,000 people have arrived in the United States on direct flights from China, including nearly 40,000 in the two months after President Trump imposed restrictions on such travel, according to an analysis of data collected in both countries.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html
The article was published on April 4, 2022.
Here's the timeline on travel restrictions from China,
January 28 - The Trump administration gives airlines a heads up that restrictions are being planned
January 31 - Restrictions are announced
February 2 - Restrictions take effect
Using basic math (subtraction) please note that the number of arrivals on flights from China to the USA dropped from about 390,000 in January to about 20,000 per month in February and March. That's a huge drop.
Yes, the first case of COVID was confirmed in Washington state on January 20. But it was contained.
Take a look at COVID deaths for Washington state and California, back to the start of the epidemic. You'll need to click on the following links, then in the drop down box, click on "All time."
https://www.google.com/search?q=COVID+deaths+washington+state&rlz=1C1YTUH_enUS995US995&oq=COVID+deaths+washington+state&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i512j0i22i30l8.6314j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
https://www.google.com/search?q=california+deaths+covid&rlz=1C1YTUH_enUS995US995&oq=california+deaths+covid&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i22i30l2.4011j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
You'll see that COVID was reasonably well contained on the west coast initially. You didn't see a big pop in deaths in California until December, 2020.
I'd argue that part of the reason that COVID didn't take off on the west coast until later on was because of the restrictions on flights from China. That bought time. By the time deaths took off in California, there was no shortage of good quality masks, and, thanks to Moderna, Pfizer, BionTech, and Operation Warp Speed, we were on the cusp of having a widely available vaccine.
COVID came to the west coast from China. It came to the east coast mostly from Europe. Flights from Europe weren't banned until March 13, 2020.
Take a look at the deaths in New York State. Again, you'll need to change the graph to "All time" with the drop down box.
https://www.google.com/search?q=new+york+covid+deaths&rlz=1C1YTUH_enUS995US995&oq=new+york+covid+deaths&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i512l9.6036j1j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
A lot of people died in New York in March through May, 2020.
To date 388 per 100,000 people have died from COVID in New York, compared to 250 per 100,000 in California. If you were to attribute all of that difference (and admittedly that's probably not entirely reasonable) to the flight restrictions on Chinese passengers, that's 54,000 lives saved in California, alone!
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
But don't take my word for it. The strongest reason to believe the restrictions saved lives is because Anthony Fauci, Robert Redfield (head of CDC), and others said it did. I heard them say it on television. Here's a transcript, where Fauci says,
"The president's decision to essentially have a major blocking of travel from China, that already had an effect of not seeding the way. In Europe, Italy didn't do that. And I feel so bad because I have so many friends there. They're getting hit hard. What we're doing now with the other travel restrictions, you block infections from coming in. And then within is when you have containment and mitigation. And that's the reason why the kinds of things we're doing that may seem like an overreaction will keep us away from that worst-case scenario."
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/week-transcript-15-20-dr-anthony-fauci-secretary/story?id=69603230
You did see certain Democrats criticize the travel restrictions on Chinese flights. According to CNN, Biden, at a campaign rally in Iowa just after the travel restrictions were announced, said Trump had a record of "hysterical xenophobia and fear mongering." Then the day afterwards, Biden tweeted, "We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science not Donald Trumps record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency."
So yeah, you can make a case for Biden, than he never intended to relate Trump's xenophobia to the travel restrictions. But it's a weak case IMHO.
There's no doubt though that Sanders criticized the restrictions, as did a number of Democrats in hearings by the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Asia in the days after January 31.
To be fair to these Democrats, the World Health Organization criticized the travel restrictions mightily, as did some public health experts and segments of the anti Trump media.
What's interesting, as late as January 24, Redfield (head of the CDC) didn't think travel restrictions made sense. Actually the Chinese had only confirmed person-to-person transmission a few days earlier. Somehow between January 24 and January 28, when the Trump administration made airlines aware restrictions were on the horizon, the CDC's and Redfield's thinking evolved. I believe the Trump Administration's restrictions were a result of advice from the CDC.
So would Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton have done the same thing? I'm not sure either would have. They have been known to let what's politically correct override common sense. And restrictions on allowing Chinese people to travel to the USA is not politically correct.
Furthermore, Redfield was not inclined to choose political correctness over good sense, good medicine, and good science. He never would have been selected as head of the CDC by a Democratic Administration. He supported mandatory HIV tests for military recruits, with a view towards barring anyone who tested positive. Redfield is one of the strongest heavyweight proponents of the theory that COVID came from the Wuhan lab btw.
Since you have determined the I don't know what I'm talking about, why don't you come to Chrissie's defense and show some links that show that "Donnie the Dumbass banned all flights from China to the USA and / or that he banned all Chinese from entering the US.
None of them can produce such links, nor of Biden calling Trump a "racist" for it because they don't exist. They don't exist because those things never happened. Yet they agreed that merely saying things happened and were said that in fact never happened or were said was a "good point" to make in a discussion.
Repubs and pro Repub Bothsider / Neithersiders, LOL. What a luxury it must be to simply make stuff up and declare victory for it.Chris never said any of that. He clearly said the Trump Administration banned "Chinese from coming to America from China. " He never said "Donnie the Dumbass "banned" all flights from China to the USA and / or that he "banned" all Chinese from entering the US." Furthermore, I don't see where Chris ever said that Biden called Trump a racist. I believe he did say some Democrats have called Trump a racist, and that's true.
You gentlemen are guilty of what Tooms is accusing us of. And yes Tooms, I have on several occasions exaggerated some of your more ridiculous points to make them even more ridiculous. I can't recall having done that to PVMonger or anyone else here though. But Chris, to my knowledge, isn't an offender.
And PVMonger, yeah, we get it. Flights from Hong Kong and Macau weren't banned. And Americans were allowed to return from China directly to the USA, although they were subject to tests and quarantines. What did you want to do, leave them stranded in China?
More truth coming out. USA is a free speech democracy??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD6BAX_IGHgTrump's own Durham Investigation found there was ample reason for and no notable wrongdoing involved in the investigation of his and his team's extraordinarily tight connection with Russia:
Not a "hoax" Not a "witch hunt".
Trumps Russiagate Redemption Fizzles as Durham Probe Limps Toward a Close.
Trump promised the three-year Durham investigation would reveal conspiracy at the FBI. Instead, its slinking toward an end after failing to uncover the crime of the century.
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-10-26/trumps-russiagate-redemption-fizzles-as-durham-probe-limps-toward-a-close
The investigation ended not just with a fizzle, but with a complete reversal of what Donald Trump portrayed, says Barbara McQuade, former U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan and current legal analyst and professor at the University of Michigan Law School.Worse for Trump, they only uncover additional damning evidence of crimes commited by him and tried to bury it:
Trumps Own Appointees Reportedly Opened Criminal Investigation Into Him As Part Of Durham Russia Probe
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/01/26/trumps-own-appointees-reportedly-opened-criminal-investigation-into-him-as-part-of-durham-russia-probe/
Oops. LOL.
This allowed the US to maintain its global supremacy despite decades of clownworld economic policies which have led to a $30 trillion and rising national debt, hundreds of trillions of unfunded liabilities, and the outsourcing of most of our industry.
The Petrodollar is a myth. Always has been.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/douglasbulloch/2018/04/26/the-petro-dollar-is-a-myth-the-petro-yuan-mere-fantasy/?sh=36edc83f6a14
https://youtu.be/ICSdZbEMZd0Excellent points gentlemen. Yes, Goatscrot, what currency you use to transact isn't what's important. You can always convert from Renminbi to Euros or Dollars or whatever. And yes Chris, if it weren't for the dollar being the principle reserve currency, we'd be in a world of hurt. The USA can get away with public debt at 100% of GDP, but Argentina or Indonesia sure isn't going to get away with it.
I'm not a fan of the Iranian regime, and sure as hell wish Russia had not gone into Ukraine. But I believe the USA made a big mistake in confiscating the dollar reserves of both countries. That's giving China, Saudi Arabia, and other countries second thoughts about holding lots of dollars.
We've been blessed here in the USA. Other countries send us clothes, washing machines, toys, electronics, and even nubile young Latina strippers and hookers. And what do we send them in return? Dollars. It's a great deal. We get their stuff. They get paper in return. Well, I'm no economist, but I'm fearful a move away from the dollar could bring this all crashing down. And then all those Cuban cuties will end up in Shanghai or Frankfurt instead of Dallas.
Okay!PLEASE Spidy. Realize half of what I write is semi-satirical.
Yeah, look at this data: https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/.
For all the bullshit about rifles, they kill very few people in comparison to handguns or knives.
It is the last one that has gotten me as I have talked to an ER nurse who says they have seen an explosion of stabbings in recent months, and you can guess as to why IMO. Can the police freak out on someone with a knife like they can a gun?
It is pretty obvious the crackdown on rifles is not for public safety based on the data but government safety.
Really? How many of them were carried out with handguns, not AR-15's, in (ahem) democrat-voting urban ghettos?
Why do democrats and fake news endlessly rant about AR-15's...when the majority of shootings are carried out with handguns?Yeah, I made that point here recently. Deaths from handguns must be at least two orders of magnitude higher than deaths from semiautomatic rifles. So why aren't Democrats trying to do a lot more about the deaths from handguns and stabbings? Because they don't get nearly the political mileage out of that issue that they do out of the AR-15's.
...When Colombia shut down all air travel to its country, I fought about how stupid that was and how harmful it was, and I had these Democrats arguing with me every step of the way. There were so many Colombians who were thrown off the job, and they were locked in save for one hour a week to buy groceries as the whole nation was shut down. I gifted money to some Colombian women then experimenting with giving gifts during a period of extreme crisis. I wondered if the gift giving would result in increased gratitude or increased greed, and I got a 50-50 response. But I will say said generosity opened the door to a true 10 and a beauty queen, a literal Miss Cartagena.
And you cannot compare Peru and Sweden I was told. Peru went hard core with Covid, and Sweden treated it with kid gloves and Peru had a much higher death rate. No, you were only allowed to compare Sweden to countries with a lower death rate...
And for all your belly aching about Trump, I have two questions and the answers. What country was spared from Covid? None. Which president had more cases and deaths under their watch, Biden or Trump? Of course, it was Biden.All good points Elvis. I'm not at all an uncritical fan of Trump's handling of COVID. But he did some good things. I don't think Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden would have gotten the vaccine in peoples' arms as quickly.
There were Caribbean countries which shut down tourism because of COVID. They were really fucked, more than Colombia, because their economies were mostly dependent on the tourists.
Here is Tooms quoting from the New York Times.
The article was published on April 4, 2022The article was actually published on April 4, 2020.
PLEASE Spidy. Realize half of what I write is semi-satirical.Hmmm...does that make your last statement quarter-satirical?
And which half/part of your last post to me, was it, that was satirical, exactly?
do you not recognise the riights of anyone other than USA, irs allies and those that bend the knee?How on earth did you come to that conclusion?
In case you haven't noticed, I'm opposed to the Washington dem / RINO / media / Wall St / alphabet agency / military-industrial / ZOG / swamp / deep state.
I'm simply pointing out that due to the Biden regime's incompetence and malice, America is losing its position of global dominance. This will damage the aforementioned swamp and its ability to carry out its nefarious acts, which is a good thing. However, it will also further harm the lives and living standards of regular Americans, which is not.
Either way, it is noteworthy and something to be aware of and prepare for.
The Petrodollar is a myth. Always has been.
Saudi and other OPEC countries only accept US dollars for their oil. Therefore any countries that want to buy that oil have to convert their currencies into dollars first. That is fact.
It is so important to the maintenance of US dominance that the US overthrew the regimes of Saddam and Gaddafi when they were about to start selling their countries' oil in non-dollar currencies.
If you want to call that a "myth", you are not very well-informed.
Yes, do tell? How many?I refer you to Elvis's excellent recent post on the matter, detailing how few rifles are used in violent crime by comparison with handguns and knives.
Of course, the democrat voter base are the ones using those handguns and knives, which is why they and their allied fake news and corrupt alphabet agencies only attack rural and suburban AR-15 owners.
More truth coming out. USA is a free speech democracy??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD6BAX_IGHgYup.
Jimmy Dore is a good guy. An honest, principled leftist. Pity there are so few of them about these days.
Russiagate was an absolute fake hoax, without a kernel of truth. We cannot be a serious country until there are consequences for the politicians, fake news media organisations, and corrupt Washington deep state alphabet agencies that pushed it.
https://nypost.com/2023/01/27/colorado-masterpiece-cakeshop-owner-jack-phillips-loses-appeal/
We are all very familiar with the talking point pushed ad nauseum in the fake news media that Twitter, Facebook and Google are completely within their rights to deny their services to anyone for any reason because "they are private companies".
Never mind the fact that they constitute the modern-day public square and that the Supreme Court previously enforced First Amendment rights in a similar case (Marsh v Alabama).
According to dems, fake news, and leftist judiciary, they are private companies, which overrides everything. They don't need to adhere to the First Amendment and can block people from publishing on their platform for whatever reason they like.
However, "muh private company" doesn't matter when the people to whom you are denying service are an approved globohomo cause, as in this baker who has just lost his case for refusing to bake a trannycake.
Unlike those who are banned on Twitter / Facebook / Youtube, there are plenty of equal alternative businesses at which the trannies could have had their cake made. But of course, globohomo is using it to destroy the baker in question, and anyone else who questions their faggot / tranny / feminist / open border / anti-Christian / anti-white agenda.
In fact, this case is actually worse than merely denial of service. It is compelled speech. The leftists are telling this man that mere silent acquiescence is no longer acceptable: he must create a product glorifying and promoting trannies and faggots.
The more astute among you will begin to see that all this talk of "ideology" and "rules-based order" is horseshit. In reality, it is whatever benefits the Washington globohomo deep state.
Big Tech bans rightwingers? Fine, because globohomo doesn't like rightwingers. They are private companies.
Baker bans trannies and faggots? REEEEEEEE! Shut it down! Destroy him!
This can be seen more broadly too. The fake news has been screeching about the utter inviolability of post-Cold War borders as an excuse for further destroying the American economy and impoverishing Americans by sending hundreds of billions of dollars to Ukraine, most of which is stolen on arrival. You can't change borders: it's the "rules based order"!
And yet America itself pushed, funded and promoted the changing of Serbia's borders just a few years ago, unilaterally declaring that Kosovo was an independent state. This is because Serbia is a traditional ally of Russia. No "rules based order" for them!
And then of course the matter of Israel, which refuses even to define its borders. But you absolutely, absolutely must never, ever talk about that, or you'll end up like Kanye West. Shut up and watch CNN, goyim!
I'm not a fan of the Iranian regime, and sure as hell wish Russia had not gone into Ukraine. But I believe the USA made a big mistake in confiscating the dollar reserves of both countries. That's giving China, Saudi Arabia, and other countries second thoughts about holding lots of dollars.
.Yes. It is indicative of how incompetent and power-drunk the Washington deep state has become. The neutrality of financial institutions was always sacrosanct even during times of war.
These clowns think they have pulled a fast one by stealing some of Russia's dollar reserves. What they have actually done is ensure the collapse of America's dominant position in the global economy.
Elvis 2008
01-28-23, 15:42
The Petrodollar is a myth. Always has been.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/douglasbulloch/2018/04/26/the-petro-dollar-is-a-myth-the-petro-yuan-mere-fantasy/?sh=36edc83f6a14
https://youtu.be/ICSdZbEMZd0Yeah, Peter Zeihan has done much on this, and for all Saddam Hussein's hatred of America, he kept his cash in American $100 bills. The USA will be a reserve currency for all of our lifetimes. There really is no replacement for it. People think the Euro is solid but the banks in Europe are worse than here. China prints up money like no tomorrow, and they are going to be in a world of hurt in the next decade. The dollar has weakened a ton in the last few months, and I actually see it getting stronger going forward.
Chris never said any of that. He clearly said the Trump Administration banned "Chinese from coming to America from China. " He never said "Donnie the Dumbass "banned" all flights from China to the USA and / or that he "banned" all Chinese from entering the US." Furthermore, I don't see where Chris ever said that Biden called Trump a racist. I believe he did say some Democrats have called Trump a racist, and that's true.
You gentlemen are guilty of what Tooms is accusing us of. And yes Tooms, I have on several occasions exaggerated some of your more ridiculous points to make them even more ridiculous. I can't recall having done that to PVMonger or anyone else here though. But Chris, to my knowledge, isn't an offender.
And PVMonger, yeah, we get it. Flights from Hong Kong and Macau weren't banned. And Americans were allowed to return from China directly to the USA, although they were subject to tests and quarantines. What did you want to do, leave them stranded in China?A ban, by definition, presumes "all". For instance, if a city bans smoking in public places, that means "all public places", not "some public places but not others". If a school district bans a book in schools, if means "all schools", not "some schools but not others". If a state bans abortion without any exceptions, it means "all abortions", not "some abortions".
So while Chrissie didn't specifically say all, he didn't have to. A "ban" means "all". Period.
And Hong Kong and Macau are part of China, are they not?
I didn't say Trump banned all flights from China. There were many American citizens and green card holders in China whom he had no right to ban from returning home. (Can you imagine the frothing, unhinged meltdown of the democrats, the fake news media, and the leftist judiciary if he had tried to ban Americans from reaching their own country?) However, he did ban non-citizens and non-residents from flying from China, which greatly reduced numbers and reduced the early spread of the virus.
The ban was made official on January 31st. Later the same day, Biden made a speech accusing Trump of "hysterical xenophobia", and he repeated the line in a tweet the following day.
The democrats wanted completely open travel from China. The fact that you leftists now try to rewrite history is testament to how far you have strayed from empirical, factual reality. Men are women. Biden is mentally competent. The BLM / antifa riots were "fiery but peaceful". The border is secure. Mass mail-in voting is the most secure form of election. The democrats supported the China travel ban.
No wonder you had to create the phrase "my truth" instead of "the truth".A "ban" presumes "all". Period. If a city "bans" smoking in public places, it means all public places, not just some of them. If a state "bans" abortions without exceptions, it means all abortions, not just some of them.
What you want to do is have your cake and eat it too.
And Donnie the Dumbass absolutely did not ban "all non-citizens and non-residents from flying from China". That's because the "ban" was only for non-USA Citizens who had been in China within the past 14 days and were not the immediate family member of USA Citizens or / and permanent residents. That means that a Chinese non-US-citizen who had been to China 15 days before was good to go. The "ban" also did not include Hong Kong or Macau. I realize that you don't believe that either one of those places are part of China. I also realize that you believe that nobody in either place ever could have had contact with anybody who could have been in Wuhan. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/10/01/debate-early-travel-bans-china/.
Furthermore, COVID was present in the US long before Donnie the Dumbass issued his "ban that wasn't a ban". https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/five-us-states-had-coronavirus-infections-even-before-first-reported-cases-study-2021-06-15/ But I know that facts won't stop you from spreading lies.
We also know that you absolutely hate anybody who is LGBTQ. We know that because of your use of the term "globohomo" quite often. You are entitled to your opinion but your "opinion" is just that. An "opinion". Because denying something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If it did, Donnie the Dumbass would have never existed.
Elvis 2008
01-28-23, 17:10
Did you guys notice when the lab leak theory came into being? It was just after Trump was out of office around April 2021. There were a slew of articles and people talking about where Covid originated from, and I remember hearing a guy named Josh Rogin of the Washington Post on the Joe Rogan show spewing out information about the Wuhan lab and Fauci I had not heard before. It was like some billionaire somewhere said, "Okay, we can trash the naturally occurring Covid theory and now tell people the truth. " And anyone who listened to this information was like Jon Stewart, ranting about how dumb anyone was to believe otherwise.
And now it looks like some billionaire has given the okay on talking crap about the Covid vaccine:
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1617873558155165697
Joe Scarborough was "knocked down" for months / weeks after getting the Covid booster, and his wife goes along with it.
Then you have Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert, admitting he was wrong about the vaccine.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/dilbert-creator-scott-adams-admits-vax-critics-were-right-still-doesnt-get-why
It is not as if I did not anticipate this but I though it would happen in 2024 when the legal immunity drug makers have with the vaccine is over.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html
What happens next? Well, the vaccines are going to be withdrawn faster than any product in human history once that immunity expires. There might be some 200 page document that a person could sign if they wanted the vaccine going forward but given the drug companies have to be honest about the side effects of the vaccine in said document, I would bet it is more likely than not it will not be offered. The safer course is just to say the vaccines do not work against the newer variants and pull them.
The one thing I can say for certain is with these never mind Democrats it will not bother them in the least. They still believe Russiagate was real; they believe in the naturally occurring Covid theory and that if Hiliary would have been president versus Trump, we would have had no Covid deaths.
So the Covid vaccine may actually be a bigger health crisis than Covid itself but never mind.
More truth coming out. USA is a free speech democracy??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD6BAX_IGHgThat was very educational for me. After seeing that I don't know why anyone would criticize McCarthy for removing Swalwell and Schiff from the intelligence committee. And yes, if Trump's views about Russia predominated in the Washington establishment instead of the neocon's, I don't think there would be a war in Ukraine right now.
I'm not a fan of Dore though. His favored economic policies, which for some strange reason he feels compelled to relate to Russiagate at the end of the video, would make for a much less prosperous and weaker America.
Hmmm...does that make your last statement quarter-satirical?
And which half/part of your last post to me, was it, that was satirical, exactly?The part about Democratic presidents sending right wing young men to die in foreign wars, while depriving them of miniature AR's during childhood so they’d be less likely to survive combat. That was semi satirical. Although I can make a case that there would have been no American involvement in World War I, and no WW II, Korean or Vietnam wars if Democratic administrations had made different decisions. It's a weak case, but still much, much stronger than Tooms' argument that Republican presidents are responsible for most recessions.
I refer you to Elvis's excellent recent post on the matter, detailing how few rifles are used in violent crime by comparison with handguns and knives.
I'll also refer you back to that chart, and the one (1) big gaping hole in that chart and the fact "statista.com" is not even a US based or US gov't organization for Pete's sake and are located in Germany, using 3rd party data from non-US governmental sources.
Its no accident and oddly enough, the chart on the link has "Firearms, type not stated" as the 2nd most causes of death at 4,740, behind "Handguns" at 6,012. Wonder what that could be, such a big omission? Perhaps, I'll just fill the void with my own data and assume it's from all those "kiddy friendly" AR-15's assault rifles, sniper-rifles, high-powered rifles, bazookas and grenade launchers, in the burbs? So by my account (if I am even to believe said chart) AR-15's in the burbs are not that far behind, the handguns.
Of course, the democrat voter base are the ones using those handguns and knives, which is why they and their allied fake news and corrupt alphabet agencies only attack rural and suburban AR-15 owners. Right! Because of course, no self-respecting QAnon/Repub/MAGA/Trumpster insurrectionist would be seen with a "handgun".
Oh no, when we Repubs "kill it", we use our feet, hands, blunt objects, flagpoles, fire extinguishers, mental railing pipes, pipe-bombs and a cache of military grade assault-rifles nearby.
And when all else fails we use the "Amber Herd gambit". Lots of fecal matter and urine on wall and desks. Yeah, the ugly pride of the Repub/MAGA voting base! But I digress!
So if I now use the chart again and include the other weapons (more like used by people in the burbs/rural US and judging by our MAGA insurrectionists, ie. feet, hands, blunt objects, flagpoles ...etc), I will refer you back to using the chart to add the following:
- "Personal Weapons" at 461, plus "Rifles" at 477, "Blunt Objects" at 243, "Firearms, type not stated" at 4,740, bring the grand total to 5,921 homicides in the burbs/rural US.
By all accounts I'd say it's pretty even. City Slickers 6,012 vs. The Burbs/Country Folk at 5,921!
A ban, by definition, presumes....Stop hitting yourself.
the chart on the link has "Firearms, type not stated" as the 2nd most causes of death at 4,740, behind "Handguns" at 6,012. Wonder what that could be, such a big omission? Perhaps, I'll just fill the void with my own data and assume it's from all those "kiddy friendly" AR-15's assault rifles, sniper-rifles, high-powered rifles, bazookas and grenade launchers, in the burbs? The problem is that "your own data" is a bunch of leftist horseshit.
Handguns are 6000, rifles are 477. About 13 to 1. It stands to reason that "firearms, type not stated" (probably mostly the huge number of gang-related urban ghetto shootings whether neither the perp nor the weapon is ever found) would follow approximately the same ratio.
So about 4400 to 400, to err in your favor. For a total of over 10,000 handgun deaths and fewer than 1000 rifles.
The part about Democratic presidents sending right wing young men to die in foreign wars, while depriving them of miniature AR's during childhood so theyd be less likely to survive combat. That was semi satirical. Yeah, Okay! And yet I felt, you said it with such conviction!
Although I can make a case that there would have been no American involvement in World War I, and no WW II, Korean or Vietnam wars if Democratic administrations had made different decisions. It's a weak case, but still much, much stronger than Tooms' argument that Republican presidents are responsible for most recessions.I've notice how you love to dabble in revisionist history. If that's your thing then by all means, knock yourself out, playing "what-if's". To some it my prove interesting, if not entertaining to read, at the very least.
If you get bored with us "pee-ONS" here at ISG, you could always compare your "what-if's" with what ChatGPT might write.
Just a thought!
Yeah, Peter Zeihan has done much on this, and for all Saddam Hussein's hatred of America, he kept his cash in American $100 bills. The USA will be a reserve currency for all of our lifetimes. There really is no replacement for it.Until recently I'd have agreed with you. But there has been vast damage wreaked upon America of late.
The demographic destruction and third worldization of the country.
Biden's humiliating military defeat by the Taliban.
Hundreds of trillions of debts and unfunded liabilities of various kinds.
The politicization and weaponization of the previously steadfastly neutral financial system by the theft of Russian dollar reserves, which have signalled to everyone that the US system can no longer be trusted.
The failure of the attempt to destroy Russia's economy by the theft of its dollar reserves plus sanctions, which has exposed America's economic weakness and impotence and emboldened others to create systems to challenge it (see the China-Saudi oil deal).
The theft of the 2020 election and the demonization and weaponization of federal law enforcement alphabet agencies and leftist judiciary against half the country.
All the above and more have shown that America is no longer the solid and reliable bet it once was.
The problem is that "your own data" is a bunch of leftist horseshit...No not really! Not at all given the "very flawed" data collection of the chart itself and the source from which it hails.
According to your logic, urban people ONLY use "handguns", therefore that leaves "Firearms, type not stated" and most of the other categories, to people in the burbs/rural US.
Right! Because of course, no self-respecting QAnon/Repub/MAGA/Trumpster insurrectionist would be seen (less caught dead) with a "handgun", the choice of Urban City Slickers.
Did you guys notice when the lab leak theory came into being? It was just after Trump was out of office around April 2021. There were a slew of articles and people talking about where Covid originated from, and I remember hearing a guy named Josh Rogin of the Washington Post on the Joe Rogan show spewing out information about the Wuhan lab and Fauci I had not heard before. It was like some billionaire somewhere said, "Okay, we can trash the naturally occurring Covid theory and now tell people the truth. " And anyone who listened to this information was like Jon Stewart, ranting about how dumb anyone was to believe otherwise.
And now it looks like some billionaire has given the okay on talking crap about the Covid vaccine:
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1617873558155165697
Joe Scarborough was "knocked down" for months / weeks after getting the Covid booster, and his wife goes along with it.
Then you have Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert, admitting he was wrong about the vaccine.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/dilbert-creator-scott-adams-admits-vax-critics-were-right-still-doesnt-get-why
It is not as if I did not anticipate this but I though it would happen in 2024 when the legal immunity drug makers have with the vaccine is over.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html
What happens next? Well, the vaccines are going to be withdrawn faster than any product in human history once that immunity expires. There might be some 200 page document that a person could sign if they wanted the vaccine going forward but given the drug companies have to be honest about the side effects of the vaccine in said document, I would bet it is more likely than not it will not be offered. The safer course is just to say the vaccines do not work against the newer variants and pull them.
The one thing I can say for certain is with these never mind Democrats it will not bother them in the least. They still believe Russiagate was real; they believe in the naturally occurring Covid theory and that if Hiliary would have been president versus Trump, we would have had no Covid deaths.
So the Covid vaccine may actually be a bigger health crisis than Covid itself but never mind.Excellent post. The vax will indeed prove to be a bigger health crisis than covid (which was little worse than a bad flu season).
The twisting and spinning of the fake news and big tech on this issue has completely undermined what little credibility they had left (admittedly very little). The only people who believe them now are the likes of PVMonger. LOL.
No not really! Not at all given the "very flawed" data collection of the chart itself and the source from which it hails.The known firearm data shows handgun deaths outnumbering rifles at a rate of 13 to 1. Yet you somehow attempt to extrapolate that 100% of the unknown firearm data is rifles, and 0% handguns.
Anyone who would do that is either an idiot or a leftist political hack. If there is a difference.
That was very educational for me. After seeing that I don't know why anyone would criticize McCarthy for removing Swalwell and Schiff from the intelligence committee. And yes, if Trump's views about Russia predominated in the Washington establishment instead of the neocon's, I don't think there would be a war in Ukraine right now.
I'm not a fan of Dore though. His favored economic policies, which for some strange reason he feels compelled to relate to Russiagate at the end of the video, would make for a much less prosperous and weaker America.Swalwell was literally banging a Chinese spy, and Schiff lied openly about the Russia hoax. They should be facing charges, never mind expulsion from the intel committee.
Dore reminds me a little of the British leftist George Galloway. His economic policies are indeed disastrous. But he is at least honest and principled, from the old school left, with ideas based in reality.
Unfortunately, modern leftists are utterly unhinged fantasists, believing that men are women, fiery riots are peaceful but white silence is violence, the First and Second Amendments should be repealed, nobody should have a car or eat meat to apparently change the weather in the 22nd Century, etc. And they are perfectly happy to lie through their teeth in an attempt to reach this hellish "utopia".
A ban, by definition, presumes "all". For instance, if a city bans smoking in public places, that means "all public places", not "some public places but not others". If a school district bans a book in schools, if means "all schools", not "some schools but not others". If a state bans abortion without any exceptions, it means "all abortions", not "some abortions".
So while Chrissie didn't specifically say all, he didn't have to. A "ban" means "all". Period.
And Hong Kong and Macau are part of China, are they not?Chris even changed his tune mid-song when he replaced the word "ban" with "restrictions" before the end of that original post. So even he knew it wasn't really a "ban" from the get-go. Yet that is what he hung into like a rat on a rafter ever since.
Which begs the question, what exactly were the "good point" support Trumpsters supporting; his assertion that it was a "ban" or his assertion that there were only "restrictions"? Bothsides? Neitherside? Anarchy? Nothing? Everything?
Slippery as greased eels they are. Very Trumpian, of course.
Handguns are 6000, rifles are 477. About 13 to 1. It stands to reason that "firearms, type not stated" (probably mostly the huge number of gang-related urban ghetto shootings whether neither the perp nor the weapon is ever found) would follow approximately the same ratio.
So about 4400 to 400, to err in your favor. For a total of over 10,000 handgun deaths and fewer than 1000 rifles.Spidy's theory makes a lot more sense Chris. Those 4740 deaths from "firearms, not stated" must be from bazookas, grenade launchers, shoulder fired missiles, howitzers and similar firearms owned by right wing militia members and hard core Trump supporters. Oh yeah, and Carrie Fisher.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xggMwkGnbhw
All good points Elvis. I'm not at all an uncritical fan of Trump's handling of COVID. But he did some good things. I don't think Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden would have gotten the vaccine in peoples' arms as quickly.
There were Caribbean countries which shut down tourism because of COVID. They were really fucked, more than Colombia, because their economies were mostly dependent on the tourists.Trump's approach, if there was ever one, to National Security with regard to health concerns was a clusterfuck from beginning to end. The dude started creating a Pandemic, any Pandemic just make sure it's a really HUGE and DAMAGING one, as far back as 2018 and right up until he was still asserting it was "disappearing" and "will go away without a vaccine" just days before the November 2020 election. Later was so ashamed of his near zero contribution to getting those vaccines into Americans' arms that he and Melania got the shots in their arms in near total secrecy.
I have provided numerous links citing the when and the how for the above many times here. No one has produced so much as a single report link supporting a contradiction of my report links. No one.
Trump handed over no coherent and viable national response plan for vaccine distribution. At best he was going to shuffle off the responsibility for that to each state, a "plan" almost certain to create his much preferred in-fighting and chaos leading to crap results that he applied to everything else he had no clue how to handle. So 50 states would have found themselves climbing all over each other, competing and bidding into the stratosphere for the first wave of vaccines that Trump fought for a year to convince no one should bother inventing. Reminiscent of The Great Ventilator Wars.
And that is the rosiest view of what Trump's idiotic state-centered non federal rollout plan would have wrought. There would have been entire Red State holdouts for ANY response to Trump's Pandemic, including the vaccines Trump spent critical year 2020 dismissing as unnecessary and just part of a "Democrat Hoax"! That would have only created festering state-wide laboratories for new variants and mutations to thwart the effectiveness of those first vaccines that did manage to get past Trump's "populist" campaign against them.
Besides that, as near as anyone could tell from November 2020 until this very day Trump's only "handover" plan was to dig his heels in, screetch his Big Lie about the election being stolen from him, gather, incite and lead a violent mob of cop-killing, America-hating Insurrectionists to overturn a free and fair election, overthrow American democracy and try to convince any loon who will listen that Biden isn't even the legitimate POTUS.
So it strains all credibility and defies all available evidence to suggest that in this one wild and crazy exception Trump handed over a coherent, viable vaccine distribution plan to the incoming Biden Administration. Ever.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-klain/trump-administration-had-no-coronavirus-vaccine-distribution-plan-white-house-idUSKBN29T0FY
Biden plans to partner with state and local governments to establish vaccination spots in conference centers, stadiums and gymnasiums. The new administration will also deploy thousands of clinical staff from federal agencies, military medical personnel and pharmacy chains to increase vaccinations, and make teachers and grocery clerks eligible.
Vaccination programs lagged far behind the Trump administrations target of 20 million Americans inoculated by the end of 2020.
Elvis 2008
01-29-23, 02:59
Stop hitting yourself.Amen. The Dems were all griping that Trump do something and he did this not that it mattered, but we heard ad nauseam about how if Hiliary or any other Dem were president instead of Trump, there would be fewer deaths.
Well guess what? There are going to be fewer Covid deaths under Biden than Trump.
https://time.com/6249841/covid-19-no-longer-a-public-health-emergency/
For over a year, it has been apparent that many hospitalizations officially classified as being due to COVID-19 are instead of patients without COVID symptoms who are admitted for other reasons but also happen to test positive.
Misclassified hospitalizations obviously suggest there have also been miscategorized deaths, yet a parallel recognition that undoubtedly many official COVID-19 deaths are similarly due to persons dying with instead of from the coronavirus has only begun to emerge. CDC guidelines still stipulate that any death from (any) illness occurring within 30 days of a positive test result automatically be classified as due to COVID-19. Hence, if the current prevalence in the population is, say, 3% (towards the lower end of typical levels during major surges like the present one) then the background prevalence among persons admitted to hospitals for other reasonsand also among those who end up dying would similarly be around 3%. Considering about 9,200 total deaths occur daily in the USA, then in this hypothetical scenario some 275 deaths ascribed to COVID (or approximately two-thirds of the official daily count) would in fact have been due to other causes.
And bam just like that, the lame stream media has concluded that there were fewer Covid deaths under Biden than Trump.
Gosh, if only we had known what the CDC was doing when Trump was in office right? Oh wait, people like me WERE screaming about this. I STILL have not seen one person die due solely to Covid, and yet every day the lame stream media reported the thousands dying OF Covid and not WITH Covid.
And doesn't this put into question the phrama makers and their statements that the vaccine prevented deaths and hospitalizations?
And why is this shit coming out NOW?
Did you guys notice when the lab leak theory came into being? It was just after Trump was out of office around April 2021. There were a slew of articles and people talking about where Covid originated from, and I remember hearing a guy named Josh Rogin of the Washington Post on the Joe Rogan show spewing out information about the Wuhan lab and Fauci I had not heard before. It was like some billionaire somewhere said, "Okay, we can trash the naturally occurring Covid theory and now tell people the truth. " And anyone who listened to this information was like Jon Stewart, ranting about how dumb anyone was to believe otherwise.
And now it looks like some billionaire has given the okay on talking crap about the Covid vaccine:
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1617873558155165697
Joe Scarborough was "knocked down" for months / weeks after getting the Covid booster, and his wife goes along with it.
Then you have Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert, admitting he was wrong about the vaccine.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/dilbert-creator-scott-adams-admits-vax-critics-were-right-still-doesnt-get-why
It is not as if I did not anticipate this but I though it would happen in 2024 when the legal immunity drug makers have with the vaccine is over.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html
What happens next? Well, the vaccines are going to be withdrawn faster than any product in human history once that immunity expires. There might be some 200 page document that a person could sign if they wanted the vaccine going forward but given the drug companies have to be honest about the side effects of the vaccine in said document, I would bet it is more likely than not it will not be offered. The safer course is just to say the vaccines do not work against the newer variants and pull them.
The one thing I can say for certain is with these never mind Democrats it will not bother them in the least. They still believe Russiagate was real; they believe in the naturally occurring Covid theory and that if Hiliary would have been president versus Trump, we would have had no Covid deaths.
So the Covid vaccine may actually be a bigger health crisis than Covid itself but never mind.I have to disagree with you on this one Elvis. Scarborough says he was knocked down for months or weeks with the COVID disease because he did NOT get the booster. Dilbert's creator isn't the first person I'd go to for COVID advice. Rather, I'd go to my general practitioner, an internal medicine specialist, who's a big believer in the COVID vaccine and boosters. And giving Moderna and Pfizer and other vaccine manufacturers immunity from lawsuits was a great idea. Otherwise the plaintiff's attorneys might be suing them into nonexistence, like they did for a while with manufacturers of silicone breast implants and private planes.
Trump's own Durham Investigation found there was ample reason for and no notable wrongdoing involved in the investigation Haha, so typical. The video is about Schiff, and you have to make it about Trump. Thats why your party keeps losijng power. You cannot separate lies from reality. You keep voting for criminals.
How on earth did you come to that conclusion?
In case you haven't noticed, I'm opposed to the Washington dem / RINO / media / Wall St / alphabet agency / military-industrial / ZOG / swamp / deep state.
I'm simply pointing out that due to the Biden regime's incompetence and malice, America is losing its position of global dominance..It was a Q. But your answer supports what you supposed. Nothing but one side of US corruptiion for another. But always the best is USA outcomes.
I'm not a fan of Dore though. His favored economic policies, which for some strange reason he feels compelled to relate to Russiagate at the end of the video, would make for a much less prosperous and weaker America.If you don't want to listen to Dore, subscribe to Mate. He is the journalist that does the work. Ne was highly influencial in Russiagate, in the Syria debacle. He is one of the few heroic journalists left. But big props for watching the video.
MarquisdeSade1
01-29-23, 05:16
Crass and indelicate as always!!! Dude, not exactly the kind of betting you want to be associated with, or maybe you do? (...kkkk).
But by all means, you do you. However I will refute your claims.
Well, since most Repubs are just such exemplary, pious, devout and righteous "Christians", and we all know the evidence bares it out, that these kind of vile assaults (as you've stated) mostly happens in the realms and hallowed halls of Church, one can only surmise the following.
These heinous acts, typically carried out in a act of betrayal of trust, from your so called arbiters of holiness, typically in the form clergymen, pastors, bishops, cardinals or even arch-cardinals at the top.
So it isn't hard to imagine that, not only are such unholy practices, carried out on the proverbial "choirboys/girls" and "alter-boys/girls", but no doubt, also on the general Sunday-school Bible class congregation as well. And who attends these Sunday-school Bible classes you ask? Why the righteous QAnon/Repubs of course.
I'm sure you can figure out the rest on your own, w/r to the unnatural completion of the circle-of-abuse and sexual misconduct, from the pious and "righteous-right", given the worldwide reach of the institution and front for "righteous" sexual-deviants, known as the church and its "righteous" minions.
Therefore definitely more like, 1K x 100K the rate, on the RIGHT more than on the left, given the influence of the church.
BTW, perhaps I'm just kidding...or I'm I? After all, you provide no evidence to backup your baseless right-wing claims.
PS: Is it any wonder Rep. Lauren Boebert Calls Separation of Church and State 'Junk' (Talk about doing the church's biding, or should I say pre-grooming? ...kkkk!)
https://people.com/politics/rep-lauren-boebert-denounces-separation-of-church-state/ I wrote a long retort, but I don't see it.
I'm not going to rewrite it, the whole world knows the party of pedos is the party of Bubba et al.
Look at the gay Boy Scout leaders, they arent right wingers, several years ago I was listening to NPR maybe Fresh Air she was interviewing.
A gay scout leader and she asked him if he received grief from his friends and he chuckled and said.
No I hope to make more change from the inside than fighting from the outside (yeah you can't rape those scouts from the outside looking in).
Same with the priests.
Remember Ted, you're quintessential wolf and sheeps clothing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard
https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tTP1TcwSSpKzjFg9OIuSU1RyEhMT08sSgEAWJcHlw&q=ted+haggard&rlz=1 CAQRFK_enUS987&oq=ted+&aqs=chrome. 1. 69 i59 j46 i39 j69 i57 j46 i131 i433 i512 j0 i67 j46 i433 i512 j0 i433 i512 j0 i67 j0 i433 i512 l2. 2732 j0 j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8.
These dirtbags are grifters and conmen hiding amongst the naive churchgoers.
They arent much different than most Democrats in Congress.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/gordon-chang-china-joe-biden/2023/01/17/id/1104801/
https://rollcall.com/2016/05/13/report-bill-clinton-flew-on-disgraced-donors-jet-26-times/
https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-bill-clinton-like-brothers-documentary-ghislaine-maxwell-friend-victoria-hervey-1670665
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/27/former-democrat-mayor-to-get-7-years-in-prison-for-child-sex-crime-charges/
https://www.foxnews.com/media/nonbinary-teacher-boasts-changing-students-genders-parents-knowing-they-need-protection
https://www.hawley.senate.gov/democrats-block-hawley-bill-get-tough-child-sex-offenders
Spidy's theory makes a lot more sense Chris. Those 4740 deaths from "firearms, not stated" must be from bazookas, grenade launchers, shoulder fired missiles, howitzers and similar firearms owned by right wing militia members and hard core Trump supporters. ... Thank you for making my point. Since Chris P, couldn't see it for himself, how ridiculous such claims and assumptions are w/r to attributing a particular segment/part of the chart, as being associated with a certain group of people, when the chart presented, CLEARLY shows no such associations or anything of the sort.
But feel free to continue your shared delusion.
Thank you for making my point. Since Chris P, couldn't see it for himself, how ridiculous such claims and assumptions are w/r to attributing a particular segment/part of the chart, as being associated with a certain group of people, when the chart presented, CLEARLY shows no such associations or anything of the sort.
But feel free to continue your shared delusion.Chris’ estimate of a 10 to 1 ratio of deaths from handguns versus rifles, shotguns and other guns looks pretty darn good to me based on the FBI numbers:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls
The most reasonable way to treat the “type not stated” category is to apportion it in accordance with the other categories.
Please note the FBI gets the info from local police departments, which provide it voluntarily, and the data often is not complete. Presumably that means if the local police department doesnt report the type of weapon, the FBI calls it “type not stated.”
Spidy, The tables are turned. I didn't entirely catch that your post was satirical. Yes, Democrats, Republicans and apolitical types all kill with handguns. And handgun suicides I think outnumber handgun murders. I'd bring up homicide rates in blue cities again but I'm tired of arguing about that. You'd bring up red state homicide rates, I'd bring up Simpson's Paradox, you'd say that's hocus pocus, and we get nowhere.
Elvis 2008
01-29-23, 15:52
I have to disagree with you on this one Elvis. Scarborough says he was knocked down for months or weeks with the COVID disease because he did NOT get the booster.Yeah, I misread that. Dr. Malone, who created the mRNA vaccines, made the comment you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him think. Still, Scarborough was vaccinated and got Covid.
But in addition to that there was the project Veritas video that most of the media did not cover. Their video of a Pfizer manager has been watched by millions.
Rather, I'd go to my general practitioner, an internal medicine specialist, who's a big believer in the COVID vaccine and boosters.Well, he might be a conflicted source. Is he billing for giving the vaccines? Thing is that PV video is covered by Tucker Carlson here: https://rumble.com/v27a4co-dr.-robert-malone-joins-tucker-to-discuss-the-project-veritas-video-exposin.html.
And in that video at the 16:40 mark is Dr. Robert Malone saying Pfizer is admitting their vaccines do not work: "but the buried lead is the implicit acknowledgement that they cannot construct vaccines fast enough as the virus is outrunning them, and they are having to resort to extraordinary measures. This is an admission of defeat with their vaccine technology. ".
The thing about this Pfizer employee is that he admits Covid was created in a lab. He is now admitting how easy it is to manipulate the virus and implies that Pfizer is doing so again. Thing is this is done with cold viruses to make flu vaccines all the time. The notion that forced mutation is gain of function is wrong, but forced mutation COULD lead to gain of function.
Furthermore, Dr. Malone is saying that Pfizer could move this research to Israel and I am not sure there is a damned thing the USA can do about it. And this research could lead to another pandemic that makes the last one look like a walk in the park.
And giving Moderna and Pfizer and other vaccine manufacturers immunity from lawsuits was a great idea. Otherwise the plaintiff's attorneys might be suing them into nonexistence, like they did for a while with manufacturers of silicone breast implants and private planes.Well, it is harder to sue now than it was, but I forgot about the government involvement in mandating the vaccines and its own liability. They are going to do something to protect big Pharma. At this point, they have to. There is no way this can go to court. Pharma will get killed.
Uff, this is red hot. Admission of the most heinous crimes. Will the mainstream media continue to hide the truth or will we finally advance to overthrow the ruling class?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO86vEGsOB0
Haha, so typical. The video is about Schiff, and you have to make it about Trump. Thats why your party keeps losijng power. You cannot separate lies from reality. You keep voting for criminals.Which Party keeps losing power?
Are you denying that Biden won the 2020 election in a Trump / Repub-defined Landslide, that the Dems gained a seat in the Senate in a year that historically shifts big time to the non WH Party and in that same year is still just 5 House votes away from overriding anything Squeaker of the House McQarthy's master Marjory orders him to do to destroy the USA economy and National Security Repub-style for the next 22 months?
Seriously, this kind of "rationale" is not very different from the kind of "rationale" I have heard and read from numbskulls defending their votes for Repubs for decades.
In less than 2 minutes, several Repub George Santos voters and supporters tell us everything we need to know about why Repubs and pro Repub Bothsiders and Neithersiders vote for, support and help Repubs win elections:
https://youtu.be/Gr2aedbGIPc
Chris estimate of a 10 to 1 ratio of deaths from handguns versus rifles, shotguns and other guns looks pretty darn good to me based on the FBI numbers
Indeed.
So the question is: given that handgun crime and violence is a vastly greater problem than rifles, why is all the rhetoric we see in the media, hollyweird and from the democrats about AR-15's?
Could it be because most AR-15 owners are law-abiding suburban and rural heritage Americans, who are the intended victims of the left's modern-day Bolshevism and must be disarmed in order to be stripped of their rights and property in the name of "equity" and "racial justice"?
While handguns are predominantly used by the BLM footsoldiers of the intended revolution, and so are to be left alone?
I have to disagree with you on this one Elvis. Dilbert's creator isn't the first person I'd go to for COVID advice. Tiny, remember the video I posted here a coupla months ago from a very reputable medical pratinioner from UK that was speaking up about vax injury. And you said you didn't believe it bcos your own research was more credible to you than that of someone that had dedicated his recent life to researching the subject. Remember that? Remember you saying that it was not beleiveable bcos we would now have unexplained excess deaths to support the midical issues caused by the the vaxxes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av4Ej6om0WI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku2Fv7xnL1o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbFayD_S_54
It's all so clear. Its the new 'WMD' saga. Big govt is so corrupt, they are beyond listening to.
Did you guys notice when the lab leak theory came into being? It was just after Trump was out of office around April 2021. There were a slew of articles and people talking about where Covid originated from, and I remember hearing a guy named Josh Rogin of the Washington Post on the Joe Rogan show spewing out information about the Wuhan lab and Fauci I had not heard before. It was like some billionaire somewhere said, "Okay, we can trash the naturally occurring Covid theory and now tell people the truth. " And anyone who listened to this information was like Jon Stewart, ranting about how dumb anyone was to believe otherwise.
And now it looks like some billionaire has given the okay on talking crap about the Covid vaccine:
https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1617873558155165697
Joe Scarborough was "knocked down" for months / weeks after getting the Covid booster, and his wife goes along with it.
Then you have Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert, admitting he was wrong about the vaccine.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/dilbert-creator-scott-adams-admits-vax-critics-were-right-still-doesnt-get-why
It is not as if I did not anticipate this but I though it would happen in 2024 when the legal immunity drug makers have with the vaccine is over.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html
What happens next? Well, the vaccines are going to be withdrawn faster than any product in human history once that immunity expires. There might be some 200 page document that a person could sign if they wanted the vaccine going forward but given the drug companies have to be honest about the side effects of the vaccine in said document, I would bet it is more likely than not it will not be offered. The safer course is just to say the vaccines do not work against the newer variants and pull them.
The one thing I can say for certain is with these never mind Democrats it will not bother them in the least. They still believe Russiagate was real; they believe in the naturally occurring Covid theory and that if Hiliary would have been president versus Trump, we would have had no Covid deaths.
So the Covid vaccine may actually be a bigger health crisis than Covid itself but never mind.Evidently Elvis isn't against using "fake news" (that's what he calls anything that isn't rightwingnut media) sources, in this case CNBC, when whatever they report on seem to bolster his POV. So I guess that Elvis has been lying all along when he talks about "fake news". Evidently, receiving compensation for COVID-vaccine-related injury is more complicated than saying, in effect, "I usually eat oatmeal for breakfast. Yesterday I ate Wheaties. Late yesterday afternoon I crashed my car. Wheaties obviously caused it. ".
In other news, viruses mutate and Elvis just became aware of this fact.
No Dem argues that there would have been no COVID deaths if HRC would have been president. After all, COVID was present in the US long before anyone even knew about it. What Dems will argue is that HRC (1) would not have removed the Response team from China and (2) wouldn't have lied to the American public about the seriousness of COVID and (3) wouldn't have told Americans to inject disinfectant.
And, as long as we're looking at stuff people believe, Repubs still believe that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from Donnie the Dumbass and Repubs believe that President Biden's and Donnie the Dumbass' documents cases are exactly the same.
Which Party keeps losing power?
Are you denying that Biden won the 2020 electionHaha, Again, so typical of you. You can't respond to the issue so you turn it in to a strawman conspiracy.
Both parties lose the election regularly. Bcos both are total shlt and represent big money and are totally corrupt. I can be honest about that. Whereas you lie.
Haha, Again, so typical of you. You can't respond to the issue so you turn it in to a strawman conspiracy.
Both parties lose the election regularly. Bcos both are total shlt and represent big money and are totally corrupt. I can be honest about that. Whereas you lie.Actually, I can't remember the last time I posted anything about either party being full of shit, representing big money or their corruption.
I kind of consider those to be sucker social issues whipped up to sway rather dumb voters. Clearly, they are the "issues" you think are really important. No surprise.
No, if you want to read posts about which party has produced and presided over every major economic downturn, massive jobs destruction and none of the historic economic expansions and jobs creation of the past 100 years and which party has produced and presided over none of those major economic downturns and all of the historic economic expansions and jobs creation of the past 100 years, I'm your guy. I direct you to many of my posts.
That is, if actual results of truly important things ever start to interest you instead of those silly sucker social issues you Repubs and pro Repub Bothsider and Neithersider suckers fall for all the time.
If you want to discuss junk like who is or isn't full of shit, whatever that means to you, or how to save souls from corruption, I might recommend that you consult a priest or a rabbi. If you want to find pols and parties that have ever or will ever win elections in America without support from "big money", again whatever that means to you, I recommend you read up on miracles, witchcraft and magic spells.
Maybe contemplating and assessing the hard, cold reality of American Politics just isn't for you.
Indeed.
So the question is: given that handgun crime and violence is a vastly greater problem than rifles, why is all the rhetoric we see in the media, hollyweird and from the democrats about AR-15's?
Could it be because most AR-15 owners are law-abiding suburban and rural heritage Americans, who are the intended victims of the left's modern-day Bolshevism and must be disarmed in order to be stripped of their rights and property in the name of "equity" and "racial justice"?
While handguns are predominantly used by the BLM footsoldiers of the intended revolution, and so are to be left alone?Are you saying that laws severely restricting the sale and purchase of handguns are OK with you? The all the rest of the gun nut population would be OK with that also? I think not.
Your handgun BS, combined with "heritage American" and BLM "foot soldiers" reeks of "Only white Americans should be able to own firearms and we should disarm POC who own guns". That way, you can actually do what you really want to do, can't you?
Spidy, The tables are turned. I didn't entirely catch that your post was satirical. Yes, Democrats, Republicans and apolitical types all kill with handguns. ...
Finally, you actually get it! Congratulations!!
But to be extra clear (just so it sinks in), because after all, we are taking about this "fools errand" and the oh so typical "Chris P delusional type claims", much of the time unsubstantiated.
Yes, do tell? How many?I refer you to Elvis's excellent recent post on the matter, detailing how few rifles are used in violent crime by comparison with handguns and knives.
Of course, the democrat voter base are the ones using those handguns and knives, which is why they and their allied fake news and corrupt alphabet agencies only attack rural and suburban AR-15 owners. Sure perhaps he was kidding, perhaps not. (More likely NOT knowing brother Chris P, but benefit of the doubt).
So when the ridiculous "associations" were made about the initial chart provide by Elvis, I decided to "play along" and make similar unsubstantiated claims, about other more well-known gun-totting "groups of people" being associated with "certain firearms", that weren't also shown/associated, on said chart.
And then, here you come, jumping down the "rabbit-hole", to defend Chris P's delusions, attacking "satirically", my ridiculous claims, as if Chris P's initial ridiculous claims were somehow factually evident in said chart presented.
Chris estimate of a 10 to 1 ratio of deaths from handguns versus rifles, shotguns and other guns looks pretty darn good to me based on the FBI numbers:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls Thanks for the chart. Good try, but it also doesn't support Chris P's ridiculous claims, as I think you now realize.
... Could it be because most AR-15 owners are law-abiding suburban and rural heritage Americans, who are the intended victims of the left's modern-day Bolshevism ...
While handguns are predominantly used by the BLM footsoldiers ...
Hey, Tiny 12, you may yet find the evidence to finish Chris P's homework for him, that he surely lacks. So please try again, if you care too!
But be careful now...that's a deep rabbit hole.
Proving once again, as Trump's own years' long Durham Investigation proved, that the Adam Schiff-led investigation of Trump's extraordinarily close connection with and love for Putin and Russia over the United States of America, fondly referred to as "Russiagate", was a totally legitimate and thoroughly justified investigation of Trump as the blatantly obvious Russian asset he is and has been since before he lost the vote to Hillary Clinton in 2016:
Donald Trump Says He Trusts Putin More Than U.S. Intelligence 'Lowlifes'
January 30, 2023
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-trusts-putin-intelligence-lowlife-1777537
God bless great American, Adam Schiff.
Trump sides with Putin as Biden tries to stop a war
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/23/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-joe-biden/index.html
Trump sides with Russia against FBI at Helsinki summit
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44852812
Five times Donald Trump looked to side with Russia against the US
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-russia-five-times-putin-b2021875.html
Trump has taken Putin's side. His stability and America's safety are now in question.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/07/16/donald-trump-sides-vladimir-putin-most-danger-since-cold-war-column/786850002/
Trump Sides with Russia (Again)
https://youtu.be/f88I6ruT0aU
Trump cheers on Putins savvy invasion of Ukraine. This is genius
https://fortune.com/2022/02/23/trump-cheers-putin-ukraine-invasion-as-savvy-genius-russia/
How Russia Helped Swing the Election for Trump.
A meticulous analysis of online activity during the 2016 campaign makes a powerful case that targeted cyberattacks by hackers and trolls were decisive.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/01/how-russia-helped-to-swing-the-election-for-trump
Russia state TV host suggests Moscow could 'reinstall' Trump as US president.
July 7, 2022
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-russia-vladimir-putin-state-tv-2022-7
Tiny, remember the video I posted here a coupla months ago from a very reputable medical pratinioner from UK that was speaking up about vax injury. And you said you didn't believe it bcos your own research was more credible to you than that of someone that had dedicated his recent life to researching the subject. Remember that? Remember you saying that it was not beleiveable bcos we would now have unexplained excess deaths to support the midical issues caused by the the vaxxes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av4Ej6om0WI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku2Fv7xnL1o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbFayD_S_54
It's all so clear. Its the new 'WMD' saga. Big govt is so corrupt, they are beyond listening to.Sorry, I don't remember that JustTK, and couldn't find it with a search. But I didn't spend much time searching either.
I watched the first video in its entirety. His charts showed large numbers of excess deaths during the delta and omicron waves, and many fewer since Omicron. He cherry picked the most recently available data, over small time periods (as small as a week). And from the numbers I jotted down, he wasn't making much of a case. In 2022 through December 1 in the USA, he says there were 242,224 excess deaths. Well, there were 247,000 COVID deaths, officially during that period. Similarly he said there were 19,986 excess deaths in Australia from January through September, and COVID only accounted for 8,160. Well, the numbers I was looking at for Australia, from Our World in Data, show about 13,000 excess deaths during that period.
I'm not intrigued enough to view the other two videos. It's tough absorbing the numbers too in a video format.
What is unusual, you have seen death rates among younger Americans pop up since about June of 2020. Part of this you can attribute to official and uncounted COVID deaths, but probably not all of it. I suspect some might be influenza (especially bad this year), fentanyl, higher suicide rates perhaps from the lockdowns, and earlier on an overtaxed health care system because of COVID. As more data becomes available, researchers will take a closer look at the data and if there's an increase in younger people dying from myocarditis and the like, we'll know.
I agree with your thought, "big government is so corrupt, they aren't worth listening to" as applied to politicians and partisan government employees. The scientific establishment is diverse enough though that if something's happening we should find out. An example that's a little off topic, there are certain virologists who are biased against the proposition that the COVID virus was lab derived, because of funding they've received and their professional relationships. But others who aren't. The same is true of the vaccines. And right now people like Robert Malone, who may argue the vaccine is worse than the disease, are an extreme minority.
Like I've said before, given my situation, the vaccines and boosters make a lot of sense for me IMHO. If I were 25 years old, I'm not sure they would. It's something I haven't followed closely enough to have a firm opinion.
Trump handed over no coherent and viable national response plan for vaccine distribution. At best he was going to shuffle off the responsibility for that to each state, a "plan" almost certain to create his much preferred in-fighting and chaos leading to crap results that he applied to everything else he had no clue how to handle. So 50 states would have found themselves climbing all over each other, competing and bidding into the stratosphere for the first wave of vaccines that Trump fought for a year to convince no one should bother inventing. Reminiscent of The Great Ventilator Wars.
And that is the rosiest view of what Trump's idiotic state-centered non federal rollout plan would have wrought. There would have been entire Red State holdouts for ANY response to Trump's Pandemic, including the vaccines Trump spent critical year 2020 dismissing as unnecessary and just part of a "Democrat Hoax"! That would have only created festering state-wide laboratories for new variants and mutations to thwart the effectiveness of those first vaccines that did manage to get past Trump's "populist" campaign against them.
Besides that, as near as anyone could tell from November 2020 until this very day Trump's only "handover" plan was to dig his heels in, screetch his Big Lie about the election being stolen from him, gather, incite and lead a violent mob of cop-killing, America-hating Insurrectionists to overturn a free and fair election, overthrow American democracy and try to convince any loon who will listen that Biden isn't even the legitimate POTUS.
So it strains all credibility and defies all available evidence to suggest that in this one wild and crazy exception Trump handed over a coherent, viable vaccine distribution plan to the incoming Biden Administration. Ever.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-klain/trump-administration-had-no-coronavirus-vaccine-distribution-plan-white-house-idUSKBN29T0FYHi Tooms, This is a lot like your case that placing restrictions on direct travel to the USA from China didn't do diddley squat. Neither the experts nor the numbers make the case. I've heard Fauci and Redfield praise preparations during the Trump Administration to roll out the vaccine. Fauci has said the hiccups were understandable. When Trump left office, we were fourth in the world in terms of the % of the population vaccinated. Israel was number 1, because Pfizer was using the country as a laboratory for its vaccine. The UAE was number 2 because it was throwing a ton of money into buying vaccines. And the UK was number three, but it had the crappy Astra Zeneca vaccine.
Your link quotes a highly biased source, the White House Chief of Staff, who was providing cover for any hiccups that occurred during the Biden administration.
Getting the vaccine into peoples arms was mostly left up to the local communities, pharmacies and states in the USA. The federal government, despite what federal politicians would leave you to believe, didn't play a big part. And that's the way it should be, because the communities and states and pharmacies and clinics and hospitals were best placed to do this. The only thing I remember the Feds providing, during the Biden administration, were mobile vaccination clinics, which vaccinated comparatively VERY few people.
But no doubt, some local government officials must have bungled the roll out. Where I live, in a red city in a red county in a red state, we did an excellent job. While you were probably still waiting for a chance to get a Sinovac shot that didn't work in Thailand in February, 2021, I was getting my first Pfizer vaccine. People came from all over the USA And even foreign countries to my state and region, because you could get the vaccine here before many other places.
Repeating myself, Trump could have done some things better. Using the bully pulpit to promote N95 and KN95 masks and encouraging social distancing instead of holding super spreader events come to mind. But Biden had his share of fuck ups too. We were woefully unprepared in terms of availability of test kits and distribution of good quality masks when Omicron hit. As to the bully pulpit, less than 40% of Americans over 65 have gotten the bivalent booster as of today.
Elvis had a good point, more people have died from COVID during the Biden administration than died during the Trump administration.
Here's something that might be of interest to some of the readership. By matching voter registration records to prison discharge discharge records in New York, researchers determined the ex-felons who were registered were overwhelmingly Democrats.
"Those ex-felons who are registered overwhelmingly register as Democrats. Of those discharge records that match to at least one voter file record, 61.5 percent match only to Democratic voter records. In contrast, 25.5 percent match only to voter records with no affiliation or an affiliation with a minor party, while 9 percent match only to Republican voter records. The remaining 4 percent of matched discharged records are cases where the discharge record matches with multiple voter file records that have inconsistent party identification."
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/morse/files/notificationlaws.pdf
Which Party keeps losing power?
Are you denying that Biden won the 2020 election in a Trump / Repub-defined Landslide, that the Dems gained a seat in the Senate in a year that historically shifts big time to the non WH Party and in that same year is still just 5 House votes away from overriding anything Squeaker of the House McQarthy's master Marjory orders him to do to destroy the USA economy and National Security Repub-style for the next 22 months?You should use JustTK as a barometer. Like you, he's progressive, certainly on economic issues. If he disagrees with you, perhaps it's because you've let partisanship get the best of you. Your post is a case in point.
That's what I do anyway, on social issues and USA Foreign policy. He's changed my mind about Lula, and moderated my views on a couple of other issues.
Here's something that might be of interest to some of the readership. By matching voter registration records to prison discharge discharge records in New York, researchers determined the ex-felons who were registered were overwhelmingly Democrats.
"Those ex-felons who are registered overwhelmingly register as Democrats. Of those discharge records that match to at least one voter file record, 61.5 percent match only to Democratic voter records. In contrast, 25.5 percent match only to voter records with no affiliation or an affiliation with a minor party, while 9 percent match only to Republican voter records. The remaining 4 percent of matched discharged records are cases where the discharge record matches with multiple voter file records that have inconsistent party identification."
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/morse/files/notificationlaws.pdf Note the study, makes it very clear that:
"Our findings show little evidence of an increase in ex-felon registration or turnout after notification laws are implemented."
"If these registrations are the result of notification, we might expect that the registration would occur in close proximity to when the notification takes place. But we observe that only 1.1 percent of discharge records match to a registration record with a registration date within 90 days of the discharge date."
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/morse/files/notificationlaws.pdf
This old 2013, study sounds like a rehabilitation study, for Repub and Dems convicts, alike. They go in Repub or Dems, but predominately come out voting Dem. Why you ask, because Dems are consistently fighting for the rights of ex-felons to vote, if they've paid their debt to society. So it only stands to reason.
After all, there is no law preventing a criminal from running for office, be they Repub or Dem.
BTW, where in the study, does it show how they voted before going into prison?
Note the study, makes it very clear that:
"If these registrations are the result of notification, we might expect that the registration would occur in close proximity to when the notification takes place. But we observe that only 1.1 percent of discharge records match to a registration record with a registration date within 90 days of the discharge date."
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/morse/files/notificationlaws.pdf
This old 2013, study sounds like a rehabilitation study, for Repub and Dems convicts, alike. They go in Repub or Dems, but predominately come out voting Dem. Why you ask, because Dems are consistently fighting for the rights of ex-cons to vote, if they've paid their debt to society. So it only stands to reason.
After all, there is no law preventing a criminal from running for office, be they Repub or Dem.Haha. "Study only shows 1.1% match" my ass. What the 1.1% shows is that most ex-felons waited over 90 days after discharge to register to vote.
The purpose of the study was to determine if ex-felons receiving notification of their right to vote would go out and register and then vote. The fact that only 1.1 percent registered within 90 days of the date they were discharged from prison (and received the notification) argues against your contention that people go into prison as Republicans and come out as Democrats because Dems are protecting their right to vote. As does the data in table 2 which show only a small percentage of ex-felons in New York voted.
Haha. The purpose of the study was to determine if ex-felons receiving notification of their right to vote would go out and register. The fact that only 1.1 percent registered within 90 days of the date they were discharged from prison (and received the notification) argues against your contention that people go into prison as Republicans and come out as Democrats because Dems are protecting their right to vote. As does the data in table 2 which show only a small percentage of ex-felons in New York voted.
What the 1.1% shows is that most ex-felons waited over 90 days after discharge to register.I added the following and re-edited my post. But they do disclaim the following to your point.
"Our findings show little evidence of an increase in ex-felon registration or turnout after notification laws are implemented. ".
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/morse/files/notificationlaws.pdf
I added the following and re-edited my post. But they do disclaim the following to your point.
"Our findings show little evidence of an increase in ex-felon registration or turnout after notification laws are implemented. ".
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/morse/files/notificationlaws.pdf Yes, this is another example of how many so called "voters rights" laws have little or no effect on the outcome of elections, despite what politicians on both sides and the media tell us.
They're not disclaiming my point.
... This old 2013, study sounds like a rehabilitation study, for Repub and Dems convicts, alike. They go in Repub or Dems, but predominately come out voting Dem. Why you ask, because Dems are consistently fighting for the rights of ex-felons to vote, if they've paid their debt to society. So it only stands to reason ...
Deflection. Haha. "Study only shows 1.1% match" my ass. What the 1.1% shows is that most ex-felons waited over 90 days after discharge to register to vote. The purpose of the study was to determine if ex-felons receiving notification of their right to vote would go out and register. The fact that only 1.1 percent registered within 90 days of the date they were discharged from prison (and received the notification) argues against your contention that people go into prison as Republicans and come out as Democrats because Dems are protecting their right to vote. As does the data in table 2 which show only a small percentage of ex-felons in New York voted.
I would say the study it DOES bare out my overly optimistic outcome. You yourself have stated:
"Seven times more Democrat than Republican felons ...." You just imposed and inferred your Repub bias and a different meaning to the study, than I did. I'm taking the study to mean, "Seven times more" likely to vote Democrat (my Dem bias). My reasoning is spot on AND your study bares this out.
"Seminal works by Uggen and Manza (2002) and Manza and Uggen (2004, 2006) find that Republican candidates benefit from criminal disenfranchisement. Uggen and Manza reach this conclusion by using data on nonfelons to fit turnout and vote choice models, and then extrapolating the probability that disenfranchised voters would support Democratic candidates if they were eligible to vote. Their models predict that about 35 percent of the disenfranchised population would turn out in a presidential election, with about 73 percent of those who vote supporting the Democratic presidential candidate."
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/morse/files/notificationlaws.pdf
Yes, this is another example of how many so called "voters rights" laws have little or no effect on the outcome of elections, despite what politicians on both sides and the media tell us. ...
Is that right? If they have no little effect, then:
-Why do Repubs, make such big fuss and go on to block such acts, in congress?
-Why does Ronald "Nancy" DeSantis, make a spectacle of arresting a few voting ex-cons, for political gain?
-Why do Dems, get a 5-yr jail sentence, for "so called" voter fraud, but Repubs, get a slap-on-the-wrist and a small fine, for actual provable and undeniable voter fraud?
BTW, where in the study, does it show how they voted before going into prison?
Yes, this is another example of how many so called "voters rights" laws have little or no effect on the outcome of elections, despite what politicians on both sides and the media tell us.
They're not disclaiming my point.If "voters rights laws" have little to no impact on the outcome of elections, then why do Repubs constantly try to disenfranchise voters? And why do Repubs scream "negative" bloody murder about Dems trying to get people to register to vote? After all, if "voters rights laws" don't make a difference, Repubs wouldn't care one iota.
Here's something that might be of interest to some of the readership. By matching voter registration records to prison discharge discharge records in New York, researchers determined the ex-felons who were registered were overwhelmingly Democrats.
"Those ex-felons who are registered overwhelmingly register as Democrats. Of those discharge records that match to at least one voter file record, 61.5 percent match only to Democratic voter records. In contrast, 25.5 percent match only to voter records with no affiliation or an affiliation with a minor party, while 9 percent match only to Republican voter records. The remaining 4 percent of matched discharged records are cases where the discharge record matches with multiple voter file records that have inconsistent party identification."
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/morse/files/notificationlaws.pdfI read through the study you provided. One of the things that struck me was that "Misinformation may be one reason why actual turnout is less than what Uggen and Manza (2002) predict. Previous research shows that many individuals who have contact with the criminal justice system hold incorrect beliefs about their right to vote. Drucker and Barreras (2005) survey 334 individuals.
Under various forms of supervision in Connecticut, New York, and Ohio about their voting rights and find that nearly half of the population answered incorrectly or responded that they did not know when asked whether a felony conviction is permanently disenfranchising. Likewise, few of the incarcerated felons in Minnesota interviewed by Manza and Uggen (2006) understood their.
Future voting rights. Thus, there may be a sizable number of voting-eligible ex-felons who would vote if they did not believe (incorrectly) that they are ineligible to do so. ".
Since a large percentage of election officials don't have a clue of what their state's policy re: "former guests of the state" and their ability to vote is it is easy to assume that many of them won't vote. Coupled with the fact that ". If the unobserved variables that increase political participation also negatively associate with the propensity to commit crimes, these models overstate the probability that the criminally disenfranchised would otherwise vote. Belief in prosocial norms, for example, causes people to both obey the law and participate in politics. ".
Gee, the overwhelming majority of criminals are Democrats. Who woulda thunk it? The Moron Brigade has been going on and on for years that all Black folks are Dems and the all Black folks are criminals.
I would say the study it DOES bare out my overly optimistic outcome....I'm not arguing Spidy. This is my point:
Seven times more Democrat than Republican Felons
Here's something that might be of interest to some of the readership. By matching voter registration records to prison discharge discharge records in New York, researchers determined the ex-felons who were registered were overwhelmingly Democrats.
"Those ex-felons who are registered overwhelmingly register as Democrats. Of those discharge records that match to at least one voter file record, 61.5 percent match only to Democratic voter records. In contrast, 25.5 percent match only to voter records with no affiliation or an affiliation with a minor party, while 9 percent match only to Republican voter records. The remaining 4 percent of matched discharged records are cases where the discharge record matches with multiple voter file records that have inconsistent party identification."
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/morse/files/notificationlaws.pdfOn the topic you want to debate, yes, I believe Republican politicians try to use alleged unfairness in laws related to voting to their advantage, as do Democratic politicians. Both sides paint the other as undemocratic, but in reality the system works pretty darn well. There aren't significant numbers of voters being disenfranchised on either side.
Hi Tooms, This is a lot like your case that placing restrictions on direct travel to the USA from China didn't do diddley squat. Neither the experts nor the numbers make the case. I've heard Fauci and Redfield praise preparations during the Trump Administration to roll out the vaccine. Fauci has said the hiccups were understandable. When Trump left office, we were fourth in the world in terms of the % of the population vaccinated. Israel was number 1, because Pfizer was using the country as a laboratory for its vaccine. The UAE was number 2 because it was throwing a ton of money into buying vaccines. And the UK was number three, but it had the crappy Astra Zeneca vaccine.
Your link quotes a highly biased source, the White House Chief of Staff, who was providing cover for any hiccups that occurred during the Biden administration.
Getting the vaccine into peoples arms was mostly left up to the local communities, pharmacies and states in the USA. The federal government, despite what federal politicians would leave you to believe, didn't play a big part. And that's the way it should be, because the communities and states and pharmacies and clinics and hospitals were best placed to do this. The only thing I remember the Feds providing, during the Biden administration, were mobile vaccination clinics, which vaccinated comparatively VERY few people.
But no doubt, some local government officials must have bungled the roll out. Where I live, in a red city in a red county in a red state, we did an excellent job. While you were probably still waiting for a chance to get a Sinovac shot that didn't work in Thailand in February, 2021, I was getting my first Pfizer vaccine. People came from all over the USA And even foreign countries to my state and region, because you could get the vaccine here before many other places.
Repeating myself, Trump could have done some things better. Using the bully pulpit to promote N95 and KN95 masks and encouraging social distancing instead of holding super spreader events come to mind. But Biden had his share of fuck ups too. We were woefully unprepared in terms of availability of test kits and distribution of good quality masks when Omicron hit. As to the bully pulpit, less than 40% of Americans over 65 have gotten the bivalent booster as of today.
Elvis had a good point, more people have died from COVID during the Biden administration than died during the Trump administration.Wow, you DO love your herculean bouts with the strawmen you create, don't you? LOL.
I never said Trump's restriction, not ban, on some flights from some areas of China and for some travelers from some of those areas of China didn't accomplish anything.
I merely pointed out that it was too little too late to prevent Trump's Pandemic virus from spreading far and wide around the country anyway. Obviously. And it pales as a move to prevent Trump's mass murder of 1+ Million Americans so far due to his colossal disregard for our National Security vs him being the key figure in creating Trump's Pandemic in the first place.
After all, Biden, you know, Trump's main Dem opponent who never called him a "racist" for his weak and xenophobia-tinged pitch and move for the basic concept, supported the idea of an actual ban on certain travelers from China himself:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/politics/joe-biden-trump-china-coronavirus/index.html
"Joe Biden supports travel bans that are guided by medical experts, advocated by public health officials, and backed by a full strategy, Kate Bedingfeld, Bidens deputy campaign manager, told CNN. Science supported this ban, therefore he did too.And wow again, then you finish with a favorite loony QAnon Repub point that seems to be slamming Biden I suppose but really falls into the category of a non sequitar re the topic of whether or not Violent Insurrectionist Big Lie Trump could possibly have helped more than hurt Biden's historic accomplishment in getting so many shots in so many arms so quickly despite Trump's concentrated efforts continuing to this year to convince anyone stupid enough to kusten and support him not to bother getting vaccinated.
Besides, using your pro Repub Bothsider / Neithersider January 6, 2021 Death Count logic and reasoning, NONE of the deaths due to Trump' Pandemic can be attributed to Biden other than those relative handful that died THE DAY Biden took office. Any that happened in the days AFTER the Biden takeover don't really count againt him, right?
Oh, on a related matter. It looks like Trump really hates anyone but him making money on his actual recorded voice admitting once and for all that he was the one who laid the foundation for and created Trump's Pandemic in the first place:
Trump sues Woodward and publisher for $50 million over use of recordings
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/30/trump-sues-bob-woodward-simon-schuster-paramount-for-50-million.html?__source=androidappshare
Actually, the American people should sue typically pro Repub Mainstream Media's Bob Woodward and his publishers for pocketing those voice recordings of Trump's confession until after the 2020 and the 2022 elections.
Had they not done that and put them out there prior to November 2020 when they had them we very likely would have greatly benefitted from 2-3 more Dems in the Senate since January 2021 and would not today be facing the risk of another Great Repub Worldwide Recession at the hands of those Redrawn District Pink Tinkle House Repubs bent on a "dine and dash" from the huge deficit spending bills they racked up.
I'm not arguing Spidy. This is my point: I'm not arguing either. I'm having a debate, by providing arguments and counterpoints to the arguments you put forth.
I disagree with your point, but here again is my point (and perhaps its your wording, but anyways...):
What the study tells me, is that, by matching voter registration records to prison discharge records in New York, researchers have determined that ex-felons coming out of prison, are just simply more like to vote Democrat.
... Both sides paint the other as undemocratic, but in reality the system works pretty darn well. There aren't significant numbers of voters being disenfranchised on either side. Yes, that is your POV, but I disagreed with it and asked the following questions:
-Why do Repubs, make such big fuss and go on to block such acts, in congress?
-Why does Ronald "Nancy" DeSantis, make a spectacle of arresting a few voting ex-cons, for political gain?
-Why do Dems, get a 5-yr jail sentence, for "so called" voter fraud, but Repubs, get a slap-on-the-wrist and a small fine, for actual provable and undeniable voter fraud?
As stated in your study, the Repubs, benefit more from the disenfranchised voters, and the criminals/felons in the study, are a subset of that group of people.
Are you saying that laws severely restricting the sale and purchase of handguns are OK with you?No. That is yet another of your low-IQ attempts at a strawman argument.
I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment and am in favor of the sale of rifles and handguns to US citizens and legal residents.
The point I made, which you are avoiding either due to mendacity or stupidity, is that while the vast majority of gun crime is carried out with handguns in, shall we say, democrat-voting high-crime urban areas, the vast majority of the fake news and hollyweird anti-gun propaganda / rhetoric on the matter is focused on rifles in republican-voting law-abiding areas.
If the dem douches and fake news actually wanted to reduce the amount of gun crime, they would focus their attention on where it happens the most. But they do not.
That is because the whole issue is simply a tool to push their political agenda, which ultimately ends in the disarmament and dispossession of heritage white Americans in the name of "equity" and "racial justice", two buzzwords we are seeing more and more of among leftists.
Thanks for the chart. Good try, but it also doesn't support Chris P's claims, as I think you now realize.
No, it does support my factual statement that the vast majority of gun crime in America is carried out with handguns in democrat-voting high-crime urban areas.
No matter how much shucking and jiving you do with bold text, exclamation marks, attempts at humor and other clownery, that fact will not change.
Now, in the unlikely event that you wish to give yourself cognitive dissonance, you might ask why, given that most crime and violence involves handguns in urban areas, the democrats and fake news (but I repeat myself) focus their anti-Second Amendment propaganda almost exclusively on rifles in low-crime republican-voting suburban and rural areas.
If they wanted to maximally reduce the amount of gun crime, they would target their focus on the areas and weapons (urban ghettos / handguns) where the vast majority of it occurs. But they do not do that.
Clearly therefore, their aim is not to maximally reduce gun crime.
That begs the question of what their true goal is, by focusing their propaganda and attacks almost exclusively on rural and suburban white rifle owners who commit a tiny fraction of the total gun crime in America?
Given the broader attacks and demonization of straight white non-leftist men by government deep state, fake news media and hollyweird, in terms of negative fictional portrayals, affirmative action, "equity", "racial justice" and so on, which have been ramping up significantly in recent years, it would seem quite apparent why they wish to disarm us.
Here's something that might be of interest to some of the readership. By matching voter registration records to prison discharge discharge records in New York, researchers determined the ex-felons who were registered were overwhelmingly Democrats.
"Those ex-felons who are registered overwhelmingly register as Democrats. Of those discharge records that match to at least one voter file record, 61.5 percent match only to Democratic voter records. In contrast, 25.5 percent match only to voter records with no affiliation or an affiliation with a minor party, while 9 percent match only to Republican voter records. The remaining 4 percent of matched discharged records are cases where the discharge record matches with multiple voter file records that have inconsistent party identification."
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/morse/files/notificationlaws.pdfOf course.
"Urban democrat voter" is pretty much a euphemism for violent crime. Involving handguns or knives. Which the democrats and media strangely want to cover up and do nothing about. Hmm, one wonders why?
Note the study, makes it very clear that:
"Our findings show little evidence of an increase in ex-felon registration or turnout after notification laws are implemented."
What a hilariously transparent and meaningless non-sequitur, and failed attempt at leftist obfuscation.
The study shows that over 60% of imprisoned felons are registered democrats and under 10% are registered republicans. That tells the story perfectly.
You should use JustTK as a barometer. Like you, he's progressive, certainly on economic issues. If he disagrees with you, perhaps it's because you've let partisanship get the best of you. Your post is a case in point.
That's what I do anyway, on social issues and USA Foreign policy. He's changed my mind about Lula, and moderated my views on a couple of other issues.JustTK said "your party keeps losing." I refuted that blatantly false assertion. Unless you think Biden did not win in 2020 and so on. I don't think there is anything "partisan" politically about refuting a blatant falsehood.
Please cite the incidents over the past 7 years where Dems "kept losing" while Repubs, what, "kept winning" because they see the world the same way JustTK and apparently you do and not the way I do? LOL.
Did Trump, JustTK and you really get tired of winning because you and your beloved Repubs kept winning so much and so often over the past 7 years?
Do tell.
No. That is yet another of your low-IQ attempts at a strawman argument.
I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment and am in favor of the sale of rifles and handguns to US citizens and legal residents.
The point I made, which you are avoiding either due to mendacity or stupidity, is that while the vast majority of gun crime is carried out with handguns in, shall we say, democrat-voting high-crime urban areas, the vast majority of the fake news and hollyweird anti-gun propaganda / rhetoric on the matter is focused on rifles in republican-voting law-abiding areas.
If the dem douches and fake news actually wanted to reduce the amount of gun crime, they would focus their attention on where it happens the most. But they do not.
That is because the whole issue is simply a tool to push their political agenda, which ultimately ends in the disarmament and dispossession of heritage white Americans in the name of "equity" and "racial justice", two buzzwords we are seeing more and more of among leftists.Talk about a stupid comment: "If the dem douches and fake news actually wanted to reduce the amount of gun crime, they would focus their attention on where it happens the most. But they do not."
Evidently you are too much of a douche to realize that absolutely no meaningful legislation re: handguns will go anywhere. Thanks for telling that to everybody.
I read through the study you provided. One of the things that struck me was that "Misinformation may be one reason why actual turnout is less than what Uggen and Manza (2002) predict. Previous research shows that many individuals who have contact with the criminal justice system hold incorrect beliefs about their right to vote. Drucker and Barreras (2005) survey 334 individuals.
Under various forms of supervision in Connecticut, New York, and Ohio about their voting rights and find that nearly half of the population answered incorrectly or responded that they did not know when asked whether a felony conviction is permanently disenfranchising. Likewise, few of the incarcerated felons in Minnesota interviewed by Manza and Uggen (2006) understood their.
Future voting rights. Thus, there may be a sizable number of voting-eligible ex-felons who would vote if they did not believe (incorrectly) that they are ineligible to do so. ".
Since a large percentage of election officials don't have a clue of what their state's policy re: "former guests of the state" and their ability to vote is it is easy to assume that many of them won't vote. Coupled with the fact that ". If the unobserved variables that increase political participation also negatively associate with the propensity to commit crimes, these models overstate the probability that the criminally disenfranchised would otherwise vote. Belief in prosocial norms, for example, causes people to both obey the law and participate in politics. ".Yes. Add to that only two states, Kentucky and blue Virginia ban all ex felons from voting. If you look at table 2 in the paper, you'll see only 1.6% voted in 2010, and 8.3% in 2012. That's partly why they conclude that, presumably if you a Democratic political strategist, it would make a lot more sense expending efforts to get ex felons to go out and register and vote, instead of changing election laws.
Gee, the overwhelming majority of criminals are Democrats. Who woulda thunk it? The Moron Brigade has been going on and on for years that all Black folks are Dems and the all Black folks are criminals.I gave Spidy a lay up, to argue for criminal justice reform, and instead he took the ball back to mid court, shot from 50 feet and missed the backboard. We could get into this, but the last time we discussed race our posts rightly got deleted. We actually were probably in agreement, except as to whether it's reasonable to write off over 100 years of Democratic Party history prior to 1965.
-Why do Repubs, make such big fuss and go on to block such acts, in congress?
-Why does Ronald "Nancy" DeSantis, make a spectacle of arresting a few voting ex-cons, for political gain?
-Why do Dems, get a 5-yr jail sentence, for "so called" voter fraud, but Repubs, get a slap-on-the-wrist and a small fine, for actual provable and undeniable voter fraud?Why do Republicans believe governance, and voting practices and legislation, should be closer to the people, at the state level, instead of dictated by politicians in Washington D.C. ? If there are egregious violations of voting rights, haven't the courts always stepped in?
Why do all politicians make a spectacle of all things that promote their political careers?
Why does a 6 year jail sentence handed down to an ex felon who voted have to be a Democrat vs. Republican matter? Why isn't it an issue of a criminal justice system gone awry?
why, given that most crime and violence involves handguns in urban areas, the democrats and fake news (but I repeat myself) focus their anti-Second Amendment propaganda almost exclusively on rifles in low-crime republican-voting suburban and rural areas.
If they wanted to maximally reduce the amount of gun crime, they would target their focus on the areas and weapons (urban ghettos / handguns) where the vast majority of it occurs. But they do not do that.
Clearly therefore, their aim is not to maximally reduce gun crime.
That begs the question of what their true goal is, by focusing their propaganda and attacks almost exclusively on rural and suburban white rifle owners who commit a tiny fraction of the total gun crime in America?Exactly. The Democratic politicians are trying to score points. The media is only too happy to help out, as a shooter with a semiautomatic rifle sells a lot more commercials than broadcasting about much more important health and safety concerns.
JustTK said "your party keeps losing." I refuted that blatantly false assertion. Unless you think Biden did not win in 2020 and so on. I don't think there is anything "partisan" politically about refuting a blatant falsehood.
Please cite the incidents over the past 7 years where Dems "kept losing" while Repubs, what, "kept winning" because they see the world the same way JustTK and apparently you do and not the way I do? LOL.
Did Trump, JustTK and you really get tired of winning because you and your beloved Repubs kept winning so much and so often over the past 7 years?
Do tell.Trump was out promoting candidates who could never win a general election, as well as his fantasies about 2020. The Supreme Court's abortion decision hurt Republicans badly. The Republicans should have gotten their asses kicked. Yet still they managed to win the House and just lose one seat in the Senate. If the Republicans ditch Trump and wise up on social issues, the Democratic Party is in trouble. You wouldn't have heard that from me a year or two ago, as I figured demographic changes were going to make America blue for a long time. I don't think so any more.
Elvis 2008
01-31-23, 19:14
Trump was out promoting candidates who could never win a general election, as well as his fantasies about 2020.I would be careful there Tiny a lot of Trump's fantasies have come true. Look at how the Department of Injustice handled the classified papers cases differently and Russiagate. What I said about the 2020 election is that the Dems cheated, and the Republicans let the Dems get away with it so the loss is on them. Waiting until after the fact and relying on judges to overturn the election was a fool's errand. Biden is president.
When you look at Maricopa County in Arizona and what asses the election officials have made of themselves, the one thing you cannot state is that they have competence. After these last two elections, if that county does not have its shit together and run an election glitch free, a judge will have the political cover to step in and take those officials head on. I doubt the shit that happened in 2020 will be tolerated in 2024.
The Supreme Court's abortion decision hurt Republicans badly. The Republicans should have gotten their asses kicked. Yet still they managed to win the House and just lose one seat in the Senate. If the Republicans ditch Trump and wise up on social issues, the Democratic Party is in trouble. You wouldn't have heard that from me a year or two ago, as I figured demographic changes were going to make America blue for a long time. I don't think so any more.Exactly, and the big wins are coming among the Hispanics which I think is the fastest growing demographic. The idea was that they would always vote Dem, but the Hispanics have gotten fed up with the high taxes, crime, gun restriction talk, woke crap, and border issues. Also, that abortion issue does not hurt much with that demographic as they are so pro-family.
Of all the dumb things I have read on this forum probably the worst were guys being critical of the woman I was seeing being a single mom. They were saying she was less value because of that and was stupid to have kept her kid. I responded, "So was your mother stupid to not have aborted you?" Shockingly, I did not get a response.
Point is that if the Republicans would stop with their stupid shaming and your killing babies speech and elevate the good single moms as to having more value than the ones who had abortions they could actually turn this into a plus. In other words, embrace being pro-life and quit using that phrase as meaning anti-abortion.
Yeah, she hid that she was a single mom from early on but once I got to know the kid and saw what a good mother she was, her being a single mother was actually a plus for me.
Elvis 2008
01-31-23, 19:25
No Dem argues that there would have been no COVID deaths if HRC would have been president.Your butt buddy Tooms has been saying that for years.
And, as long as we're looking at stuff people believe, Repubs still believe that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from Donnie the DumbassI would say could have been stolen and when you refer to Trump like that, you give us plenty of ammunition to believe it was true.
and Repubs believe that President Biden's and Donnie the Dumbass' documents cases are exactly the same.The alleged law being broken was the exact same. What was different was how the Department of Injustice handled the cases, and it is obvious to me that a political hack like yourself will justify the kid gloves Biden was handled with versus the SWAT team with Trump. Thing is you do not have to give your justifications. We know you are going to always support the DOJ when it goes after Republicans PVM.
In Republican eyes, the Department of Injustice made complete fucking asses of them with the SWAT team raid on Mar a Largo and how they handled Biden just magnified how stupid they were.
Trump was out promoting candidates who could never win a general election, as well as his fantasies about 2020. The Supreme Court's abortion decision hurt Republicans badly. The Republicans should have gotten their asses kicked. Yet still they managed to win the House and just lose one seat in the Senate. If the Republicans ditch Trump and wise up on social issues, the Democratic Party is in trouble. You wouldn't have heard that from me a year or two ago, as I figured demographic changes were going to make America blue for a long time. I don't think so any more.So you just refuted JustTK's blatantly false assertion too.
Please be careful not to be so "partisan" to the truth. You're likely to start reposting all of my posts and agreeing with me on everything.
Oh, look! Since you couldn't come up with anything, here are examples of more "Dem losing" and "Repub winning" because of the way I see the real world vs the way Repubs and pro Repub Bothsider / Neithersiders see their bizarro world:
Did Democrats just have the best midterms by a presidents party in years?
Nov. 10, 2022
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/10/why-democrats-had-best-midterms-presidents-party-years
The Democrats may have had the best midterm a presidents party has experienced in 20 years since 9/11 brought Republicans to slight, trend-bucking gains in the House and Senate in 2002.How Joe Biden and the Democratic Party defied midterm history.
Nov. 13,2022
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/13/politics/democrats-biden-midterm-elections-senate-house/index.html
Instead, Biden and the Democrats are in a position to have one of the four best midterms for the party controlling the White House in the last century.
Talk about a stupid comment: "If the dem douches and fake news actually wanted to reduce the amount of gun crime, they would focus their attention on where it happens the most. But they do not."
Evidently you are too much of a douche to realize that absolutely no meaningful legislation re: handguns will go anywhere. Thanks for telling that to everybody.Oh, and while they're at it, why haven't those lazy, opportunistic Dems prevented all acts of domestic violence, drunken brawls, disgruntled workers "going postal", Road Rage and Prickly Heat?
How dare they shirk their responsibility as Public Servants to solve every conceivable problem by wasting so much of their time on silly stuff like Recovering Us From Great Repub Recessions, Massive Repub Jobs Destruction, Historic Repub Deficit Spending With Nothing To Show For It, World-wide Economic Paralysis Due To Crippling Pandemics Thanks To Colossal Repub National Security Negligence, Pulling Us Out Of Multiple Quagmire Repub Wars, etc, etc, etc?
Talk about a stupid comment: "If the dem douches and fake news actually wanted to reduce the amount of gun crime, they would focus their attention on where it happens the most. But they do not."
Evidently you are too much of a douche to realize that absolutely no meaningful legislation re: handguns will go anywhere. Thanks for telling that to everybody.Another low-IQ obfuscating non-sequitur. Those really are your specialty, aren't they.
I'll make it simple so you can understand it. There is over ten times more gun crime committed in urban areas with handguns than in rural / suburban areas with rifles.
Why, therefore, do the dem douches and the fake media / hollyweird not focus their message and legislative efforts on the areas (urban ghettos / handguns) which would save most lives and reduce most crime?
Because they don't care about saving lives or reducing crime. We've already seen that with the leftist reaction to the George Floyd fentanyl overdose, with Kamala Harris among others cheering on billions of dollars of damage in riots and looting and bailing out the perps on the rare occasion they were actually arrested.
Many lives have been lost and violent crime has spiked as a direct result of the democrat and media encouragement of the riots and attacks on law enforcement.
The left are very happy to see this, as long as it promotes their nefarious agenda which hates America, hates capitalism and enterprise, hates law and order, hates white people, hates stable families and hates Christianity; and wishes to replace it with illegal dregs from the third world, communism, plus trannies and faggots grooming kids at "drag queen story hour".
No, it does support my factual statement that the vast majority of gun crime in America is carried out with handguns in democrat-voting high-crime urban areas.My I suggest, you seek an eye examination. As per the original chart supplied. Perhaps you'll past the eye exam using it?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
So let me restate and double-down (just has you have) with unsubstantiated inflammatory, incendiary and wrongheaded logic. According to your logic, urban people ONLY use "handguns", therefore that leaves vast majority of "Firearms, type not stated" (as the 2nd most causes of death at 4,740, behind "Handguns" at 6,012) and most of the other categories, to people in the burbs / rural US, you know the ones that, commit mass murders, insurrectionist pole killing deniers, pipe-bombers and American child soldiers with AR-15's and bazookas.
No matter how much shucking and jiving you do with bold text, exclamation marks, attempts at humor and other clownery, that fact will not change. What facts? You've haven't provided any to substantiate your false claims.
As I told Tiny 12, I was only following and "playing along" with your initial "shucking and jiving". So until you provide the data and evidence to backup your claims, its all just noise to me. But I'm sure the dog whistle drivel you put forth is very entertaining to some.
And the fact that my style of writing is obviously getting to you, is music to my ears..
If they wanted to maximally reduce the amount of gun crime, they would target their focus on the areas and weapons (urban ghettos/handguns) where the vast majority of it occurs. But they do not do that.
Clearly therefore, their aim is not to maximally reduce gun crime.BTW, ask yourself, before you put this all on the Dems, what have Repubs done to reign in any form of gun control?
That begs the question of what their true goal is, by focusing their propaganda and attacks almost exclusively on rural and suburban white rifle owners who commit a tiny fraction of the total gun crime in America?
Given the broader attacks and demonization of straight white non-leftist men by government deep state, fake news media and hollyweird, in terms of negative fictional portrayals, affirmative action, "equity", "racial justice" and so on, which have been ramping up significantly in recent years, it would seem quite apparent why they wish to disarm us.Silly rant, but do ya feel better? Victim hood doesn't become you.
Surely, you can do better.
If you are going to rant, spew your hatred and bullpucky nonsense ad nauseam, may I suggest you bring data, facts, and actually evidence to the discussion.
Why do Republicans believe governance, and voting practices and legislation, should be closer to the people, at the state level, instead of dictated by politicians in Washington D.C. ? If there are egregious violations of voting rights, haven't the courts always stepped in? Sure the courts step in. But do all voters (Dems & Repubs), have the same equal treatment under the law, given their respective states of voter fraud?
Why do all politicians make a spectacle of all things that promote their political careers? Yeah, why do they? Please do enlighten me.
Why does a 6 year jail sentence handed down to an ex felon who voted have to be a Democrat vs. Republican matter? My sentiments exactly. Also to further your point, it shouldn't even but about ex-felon vs. non-felon. It should just about the right to vote, if you've have the right or have been granted the right to vote. And you vote ONCE and ONCE ONLY, given that right.
But it is indeed very strange, how the Dem voters got jail sentences and the Repubs offenders who clearly committed voter fraud and voted TWICE on the behalf of their dead mothers, brothers or some other related dead family members, where treated with "kid gloves" and given a slap on the wrist.
Why isn't it an issue of a criminal justice system gone awry?Well, I'll put it like this. The criminal justice system in red states, will definitely treat Repubs with voter fraud, with "kid gloves" vs. jail for a Dem with voter fraud.
When events like where SCOTUS, a justice system at the very top, that has become partisan (Repub) and an unhinged president like Repub Trump (aka.Agent Orange), weaponizes the DOJ for personal vendettas, yes the justice system may have gone awry.
Another low-IQ obfuscating non-sequitur. Those really are your specialty, aren't they.
I'll make it simple so you can understand it. There is over ten times more gun crime committed in urban areas with handguns than in rural / suburban areas with rifles.
Why, therefore, do the dem douches and the fake media / hollyweird not focus their message and legislative efforts on the areas (urban ghettos / handguns) which would save most lives and reduce most crime?
Because they don't care about saving lives or reducing crime. We've already seen that with the leftist reaction to the George Floyd fentanyl overdose, with Kamala Harris among others cheering on billions of dollars of damage in riots and looting and bailing out the perps on the rare occasion they were actually arrested.
Many lives have been lost and violent crime has spiked as a direct result of the democrat and media encouragement of the riots and attacks on law enforcement. And the same goes with the riots after George Floyd's death. But you only listen to the hatred spewed by rightwingnut media so we really should give you a break. "Forgive him, Father, he knows not what he does."
The left are very happy to see this, as long as it promotes their nefarious agenda which hates America, hates capitalism and enterprise, hates law and order, hates white people, hates stable families and hates Christianity; and wishes to replace it with illegal dregs from the third world, communism, plus trannies and faggots grooming kids at "drag queen story hour".I'll make it even simpler for you to understand, especially since you don't seem to have enough IQ points to decorate a domino.
In gambling, there is a maxim that says "don't throw good money after bad". And that's what any handgun legislation is: throwing good money after bad.
You dumber-than-dogshit Repubs are bought and paid for by the NRA. When the NRA says "SHIT", the Repub politicians respond with the following question: "How much, how brown and how high?" Case in point, what handgun legislation did you morons propose and pass when Donnie the Dumbass and his merry band of grifters ran the show? How about 0. You will probably bring up the "Bump Stock Ban" but guess what? Bump stocks aren't for handguns. I'll bet you didn't even know that.
And your "violent crime" rhetoric is getting old. Everybody else knows that your tropes of Heritage Americans, Law and Order, Urban Ghettos and the rest are simply code words for promoting violence against People of Color.
One of these days, maybe you'll get smarter and realize the George Floyd died from knee to the neck, not an overdose. But Fucker "His lawyers argued that nobody in their right mind should ever believe a word he says" Carlson said it so must be true.
My I suggest, you seek an eye examination. As per the original chart supplied. Perhaps you'll past the eye exam using it?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
So let me restate and double-down (just has you have) with unsubstantiated inflammatory, incendiary and wrongheaded logic. According to your logic, urban people ONLY use "handguns", therefore that leaves vast majority of "Firearms, type not stated" (as the 2nd most causes of death at 4,740, behind "Handguns" at 6,012) and most of the other categories, to people in the burbs / rural US, you know the ones that, commit mass murders, insurrectionist pole killing deniers, pipe-bombers and American child soldiers with AR-15's and bazookas.
What facts? You've haven't provided any to substantiate your false claims.
As I told Tiny 12, I was only following and "playing along" with your initial "shucking and jiving". So until you provide the data and evidence to backup your claims, its all just noise to me. But I'm sure the dog whistle drivel you put forth is very entertaining to some.
And the fact that my style of writing is obviously getting to you, is music to my ears..
BTW, ask yourself, before you put this all on the Dems, what have Repubs done to reign in any form of gun control?
Silly rant, but do ya feel better? Victim hood doesn't become you.
Surely, you can do better.
If you are going to rant, spew your hatred and bullpucky nonsense ad nauseam, may I suggest you bring data, facts, and actually evidence to the discussion.You expect Chrissie to provide "data, facts and actual evidence"? You must be joking. Chrissie never does that. To him and the rest of the Moron Brigade, "data and facts" are what they hear on FUX Snooze or some other equally ridiculous rightwignut site. But that's where they get their bullpucky nonsense. Like the meme says, "Dogs get more information from sniffing another dog's asshole than Repubs get from watching FUX Snooze".
Your butt buddy Tooms has been saying that for years.
I would say could have been stolen and when you refer to Trump like that, you give us plenty of ammunition to believe it was true.
The alleged law being broken was the exact same. What was different was how the Department of Injustice handled the cases, and it is obvious to me that a political hack like yourself will justify the kid gloves Biden was handled with versus the SWAT team with Trump. Thing is you do not have to give your justifications. We know you are going to always support the DOJ when it goes after Republicans PVM.
In Republican eyes, the Department of Injustice made complete fucking asses of them with the SWAT team raid on Mar a Largo and how they handled Biden just magnified how stupid they were.You still don't get it, do you? Here's the timeline of what Donnie the Dumbass did. And, by the way, thanks for saying that Donnie the Dumbass was a dumbass.
January 20,2021.
Trump departs the White House as Democrat Joe Biden is sworn in as the nation's 46th president and heads to his private Florida estate known as Mar-a-Lago.
May 2021.
The National Archives and Records Administration, also known as NARA, emails Trump's lawyers, notifying them that some two dozen boxes of original records were not turned over, according to The Washington Post.
December 2021.
A Trump representative tells the National Archives "that they had located some records," according to a statement published later by the National Archives.
Mid-January 2022.
The National Archives retrieves 15 boxes of presidential records from Trump's estate.
The nonpartisan presidential records agency said it "identified items marked as classified national security information, up to the level of Top Secret and including Sensitive Compartmented Information and Special Access Program materials" and sought permission to alert the FBI.
February 8, 2022.
The National Archives issues a public statement saying it is still searching for more of Trump's presidential records, one day after The Washington Post reported the boxes were retrieved from Florida.
February 10,2022.
USA House of Representatives Oversight Committee announces an investigation into Trump's handling of the documents, later expanding its probe in a February 24 letter to the agency.
The New York Times reports White House staff periodically found clumps of documents clogging White House toilets, an accusation Trump has said is false. Reporter Maggie Haberman later releases photos of some of the alleged found documents.
February 18,2022.
The National Archives tells Congress that Trump took classified information to his Florida home after leaving the White House.
April 7, 2022.
Sources confirm to Reuters that the USA Justice Department was investigating Trump's removal of official presidential records from the White House.
April 11,2022.
The White House Counsel's Office under Biden formally requests that the National Archives give the FBI access to the 15 boxes. The National Archives notifies Trump's representatives about the FBI review in an April 12 letter.
April 29 and May 1, 2022.
Trump lawyer Evan Corcoran seeks to delay disclosure to the FBI in two letters sent to the National Archives.
May 10,2022.
Acting USA Archivist Debra Steidel Wall responds to Corcoran, rejecting Trump's requested delay and refusing his "'protective' claim of privilege," adding the FBI can access the records as soon as May 12. The letter is made public August 23 and notes hundreds of pages of classified documents were recovered so far.
May 11,2022.
Jay Bratt, chief of counterintelligence and export control at the USA Justice Department's National Security Division, requests that Trump's custodian of records appear before a federal grand jury in Washington, Tuesday's filing showed. Bratt, in a separate letter to Corcoran, says the representative can comply with the subpoena by giving the FBI "any responsive documents" and a sworn statement, instead of appearing in court. The grand jury probe was first reported by The New York Times.
June 3, 2022.
A Trump representative, whose name is redacted in the Justice Department filing, asserts that "a diligent search" was conducted for documents at Mar-a-Lago removed from the White House and that "any and all responsive documents accompany this certification. ".
August 8, 2022.
Federal agents execute a search warrant at Trump's Florida property, uncovering 13 boxes or containers with documents marked classified — "more than twice the amount produced June 3 in response to the grand jury subpoena. " Trump was not at the property at the time, and media reports showed him at Trump Tower in Manhattan.
A photo released in a court filing later that month shows some of the seized documents with clear markings of "Top Secret" and "Secret. ".
Trump, in a post online, says the records were "all declassified" and placed in "secure storage. " A day later, Trump, who continues to hint at a possible 2024 run for the presidency, cites the FBI search in a campaign fundraising appeal.
August 12,2022.
The FBI's search warrant is released to the public following approval by USA Magistrate Judge Bruce Reinhart.
August 22,2022.
Two weeks after the FBI's search, Trump separately asks the USA District Court for the Southern District of Florida for a so-called special master to review the documents, prompting the Justice Department's 54-page response on Tuesday.
The next day, the National Archives releases its May 10 letter to Trump's attorney.
August 26,2022.
The Justice Department releases a heavily redacted affidavit — a sworn statement outlining the evidence giving law enforcement officials probable cause to ask a judge to approve a search warrant — after media outlets sued for its release. A judge approved its release.
August 30,2022.
The department files its response to Trump's request for a special master review.
September 1, 2022.
At a hearing in West Palm Beach, Cannon suggests she is willing to accede to Trump's request and appoint a special master to review the documents.
September 2, 2022.
The FBI reveals in a court filing that it recovered more than 11,000 government documents and photographs during the August 8 search of Trump's estate, as well as 48 empty folders labeled as "classified. ".
That's the timeline. Note that Donnie the Dumbass gave back some of the records he had about seven months after being notified by NARA. Then, a month or so after that, Donnie the Dumbass lied (through his lawyers but let's make no mistake about it, Donnie the Dumbass told them what to say). Then, a month or so after that, based on a tip received by the DOJ, the FBI raided Mar-a-Lardo. https://www.voanews.com/a/timeline-of-the-trump-documents-inquiry-/6734453.html.
Here's the Biden timeline.
Nov. 2, 2022: Biden's personal attorneys come across Obama-Biden administration documents in a locked closet while packing files as they prepare to close out Biden's office in the Penn Biden Center. They notify the National Archives.
Nov. 3, 2022: The National Archives takes possession of the documents.
Nov. 4, 2022: The National Archives informs the Justice Department about the documents.
Nov. 8, 2022: Midterm elections.
November-December 2022: Biden's lawyers search the president's homes in Wilmington, Delaware, and Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, to see if there are other documents from his vice presidency.
Nov. 9, 2022: The FBI begins an assessment of whether classified information has been mishandled.
Nov. 14,2022: Garland assigns USA Attorney John Lausch to look into whether a special counsel should be appointed to investigate the matter.
Dec. 20,2022: Biden's personal counsel informs Lausch that a second batch of classified documents has been discovered in the garage at Biden's Wilmington home. The FBI goes to Biden's home in Wilmington and secures the documents.
Jan. 5, 2023: Lausch advises Garland he believes that appointing a special counsel is warranted.
Jan. 9, 2023: CBS News, followed by other news organizations, reveals the discovery of the documents at the Penn Biden Center. The White House acknowledges that "a small number" of Obama-Biden administration records, including some with classified markings, were found at the center. It makes no mention of the documents found in Wilmington.
Jan. 10:2023: Biden for the first time addresses the document issue. During a press conference in Mexico City, he says he was "surprised to learn that there were any documents" in the Penn Biden Center and doesn't know what's in them. He does not mention the documents found in Wilmington.
Jan. 11,2023: Biden's lawyers complete their search of Biden's residences, find one additional classified document in the president's personal library in Wilmington. NBC News and other news organizations reveal a second batch of documents has been found at a location other than the Penn Biden Center.
Jan. 12:2023: Biden's lawyer informs Lausch that an additional classified document has been found. Richard Sauber, special counsel to the president, reveals publicly for the first time that documents were found in Biden's Wilmington garage and one document was found in an adjacent room. Garland announces that he has appointed Robert Hur, a former USA Attorney in the Trump administration, to serve as special counsel.
Jan. 14:2023: The White House reveals that Biden's lawyers found more classified documents at his home than previously known. Sauber said in a statement that a total of six pages of classified documents were found during a search of Biden's private library. Sauber said Biden's personal lawyers, who did not have security clearances, stopped their search after finding the first page on Wednesday evening. Sauber found the remaining material Thursday as he was facilitating their retrieval by the Justice Department.
Jan. 19,2023: A frustrated Biden said there is "no there there" when he was persistently questioned about the discovery of the documents. "We found a handful of documents were filed in the wrong place," Biden said to reporters who questioned him during a tour of the damage from storms in California. "We immediately turned them over to the Archives and the Justice Department. " Biden said he was "fully cooperating and looking forward to getting this resolved quickly. ".
"I think you're going to find there's nothing there," he said. "There's no there there. ".
Jan. 21,2023: Biden's attorneys say the FBI searched Biden's home in Wilmington, Delaware, and located additional documents with classified markings and also took possession of some of his handwritten notes. The search lasted nearly 13 hours. The FBI took six items that contained documents with classified markings, said Bob Bauer, the president's personal lawyer. The items spanned Biden's time in the Senate and the vice presidency, while the notes dated to his time as vice president, he said. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/a-timeline-of-the-discovery-and-disclosure-of-classified-records-tied-to-biden.
Even you can't be dense enough to believe that obstructing the government for a year is equal to turning over found records immediately.
To be sure, both "mishandled" documents. But when Donnie the Dumbass mishandled them, he obstructed the governments efforts to get the documents returned and ignored a subpoena during the government's attempts. When Biden mishandled them, he voluntarily turned the documents over to the feds.
The other thing you sorry SOBs always seem to forget is that if Donnie the Dumbass would have simply returned everything voluntarily and invited the DOJ to send people to Mar-a-Lardo to search for more, none of this would have happened. But nooooooo. Not Donnie the Dumbass. He wasn't smart enough and held true to his name: dumbass.
Elvis 2008
02-01-23, 08:59
If the dem douches and fake news actually wanted to reduce the amount of gun crime, they would focus their attention on where it happens the most. But they do not.
That is because the whole issue is simply a tool to push their political agenda, which ultimately ends in the disarmament and dispossession of heritage white Americans in the name of "equity" and "racial justice", two buzzwords we are seeing more and more of among leftists.Good post, Chris. I had to take a course on suicides, and one of the things I learned is that like 90% of people do not engage in multiple suicide attempts. The other was that suicide by firearm is way more successful than other means.
So another issue I saw with the anti-gun nuts is they would say there were so many deaths but firearm but not distinguish between homicide and suicide. In fact, by a factor of three, the most likely person to shoot you is you. If someone kills themselves with a gun, it does not create the buzz and fear as killing others.
It would seem to me if you really want to reduce gun deaths, you would get a lot less resistance training gun owners about how to identify those at risk for suicide versus just banning guns.
But this is just another example of the anti-gun lobby really not caring that much about public safety.
Repubs are bought and paid for by the NRA. When the NRA says blabla Classic PVMonger obfuscation and avoidance. So obvious and transparent he reminds me of a three year old covering his own eyes and thinking nobody can see him.
I didn't say anything about republicans. I asked why the democrats and media don't focus their anti-gun propaganda and weepy movies / ad campaigns on handguns in urban ghettos rather than AR-15's in suburbs and rural areas, given that crime and murder committed by the former vastly outstrips the latter.
Surely if the dems and media actually cared about gun casualties and actually wanted to reduce gun crime, they would focus their considerable efforts on the areas in which it was most heavily concentrated, ie urban ghettos and handguns? Unless of course the entire thing is a ruse, they don't care a damn about gun victims and are just using the issue to further attack rural and suburban white people and the Second Amendment.
You couldn't answer the above question, so you went on an unrelated and uninformed spittle-flecked rant about the republicans.
And your "violent crime" rhetoric is getting old. Everybody else knows that your tropes of Heritage Americans, Law and Order, Urban Ghettos and the rest are simply code words for promoting violence against People of Color.No, it is about accepting the factual reality that the rates of violent crime in urban ghettos are vastly higher than in white areas. But I understand you leftists have trouble with factual reality, given your wacky claims that men are women, the border is secure, and so on.
Nobody wants to promote violence against non-whites. Well, perhaps the left does, as their policy of defunding the police has led to even more violence in urban ghettos.
We simply want to prevent our nice suburban and rural areas from being subject to the astronomical rates of violent crime found in those ghettos.
One of these days, maybe you'll get smarter and realize the George Floyd died from knee to the neck, not an overdose.LOL. Chauvin's knee was barely on him. Steven Crowder did an experiment in which he lay in exactly the same position with a knee on his neck for the same period and guess what. He survived! Might have had something to do with the fact that he wasn't high as a kite from an overdose of meth and fentanyl that he'd just swallowed to prevent the cops busting him for it.
On a broader note, it really is peak hilarity clownworld that the dem douches and leftists have made George Floyd their new saint. He was an absolutely worthless druggie piece of shit multiple felon with several fatherless bastard children he had abandoned, who (among many other crimes) invaded the home of a pregnant woman and pointed a gun at her belly. And the leftists are putting up statues of him! Epic clownery, and an apt metaphor for the decline of the country.
therefore that leaves vast majority of "Firearms, type not stated" (as the 2nd most causes of death at 4,740, behind "Handguns" at 6,012) and most of the other categories,I didn't need to wade any further into your verbal diarrhea than the above, thank goodness.
As Tiny 12 stated in his earlier response to your wrongheadedness:
"Chris' estimate of a 10 to 1 ratio of deaths from handguns versus rifles, shotguns and other guns looks pretty darn good to me based on the FBI numbers:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls
The most reasonable way to treat the "type not stated" category is to apportion it in accordance with the other categories."
As we can see from the data, handgun murders are more than ten times the number of the other three categories (rifles, shotguns and other guns) combined.
As Tiny 12 and other intelligent people will agree, it makes perfect sense to apportion the unknown murders in accordance with the other three categories. Handguns are the weapon of choice in over 90% of firearm murders.
The question now becomes why the democrats and the media largely ignore the vast majority of firearm crime, involving handguns in urban ghettos, and instead focus on a tiny minority of firearm crime involving AR-15's and suburban / rural white people?
I would surmise the answer is quite clearly that it suits their leftist agenda to attack these groups, and they don't care a jot about the explosion in urban ghetto crime caused by handguns, by defunded police, or by any other of their nefarious policies. Perhaps you have an alternative explanation?
JustTK said "your party keeps losing." I refuted that blatantly false assertion. Unless you think Biden did not win in 2020 and so on. I don't think there is anything "partisan" politically about refuting a blatant falsehood.
Once again, you choose to understand words in a way that fits your own ideology. And that is why you are dishonest bcos you twist everything for win.
"Keeps losing" - means losing on a regular basis. It does not claim that they lost the last election. So, far from refute my claim (whch is irreftuable), you twisted the claim dishonestly in to one that you know so well and that you can attack (stoeln election) . As you do so often.
I didn't need to wade any further into your verbal diarrhea than the above, thank goodness.
As Tiny 12 stated in his earlier response to your wrongheadedness:
"Chris' estimate of a 10 to 1 ratio of deaths from handguns versus rifles, shotguns and other guns looks pretty darn good to me based on the FBI numbers:
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls
The most reasonable way to treat the "type not stated" category is to apportion it in accordance with the other categories."
As we can see from the data, handgun murders are more than ten times the number of the other three categories (rifles, shotguns and other guns) combined.
As Tiny 12 and other intelligent people will agree, it makes perfect sense to apportion the unknown murders in accordance with the other three categories. Handguns are the weapon of choice in over 90% of firearm murders.
The question now becomes why the democrats and the media largely ignore the vast majority of firearm crime, involving handguns in urban ghettos, and instead focus on a tiny minority of firearm crime involving AR-15's and suburban / rural white peope
I would surmise the answer is quite clearly that it suits their leftist agenda to attack these groups, and they don't care a jot about the explosion in urban ghetto crime caused by handguns, by defunded police, or by any other of their nefarious policies. Perhaps you have an alternative explanation?I own a couple of rifles and a shotgun. Those firearms can be useful for putting food on the table. And they kind of fit with the 2nd amendment concept of a "militia...being necessary to the security of a free State." Switzerland requires all young Swiss men to do military service, and they're issued with assault rifles they keep at home. As a result nobody's fucked with Switzerland in centuries. The homicide rate there is off the charts low.
As long as they don't touch what I've got, I wouldn't give a flying f* if people had to give up their handguns, in the interest of reducing homicides and suicides. Now yes, that's a pretty selfish attitude on my part. I don't own handguns. Well, maybe some Democrats have a similar idea, only in reverse. They've got their handguns but no semiautomatic rifles, so they want to take away the rifles while sweeping the epidemic of deaths from handguns under the table.
As opposed to letting people in their own families, communities and states decide how they want to run their lives, many Democratic Politicians want a central government in Washington D.C. that will tell everyone what to do. And there's backlash against that, at least where I live. But there's "0" chance you'll see some kind of uprising, at least IMHO.
Anyway, maybe that fits in somehow with all this, why the threat from semiautomatic rifles and right wing militias and the like is way overblown. Maybe it's not just them trying to get a political advantage, which isn't hard to do given the media coverage of shootings with semiautomatic rifles. Maybe the paranoid among them think there's going to be some kind of uprising in red, rural America, so it's best to de-weaponize those they mistakenly believe are their enemies.
Oh, and while they're at it, why haven't those lazy, opportunistic Dems prevented all acts of domestic violence, drunken brawls, disgruntled workers "going postal", Road Rage and Prickly Heat?Good question Tooms, except that you shouldn't characterize Democrats as lazy. Yes, rates of violent crime in cities with blue mayors is much higher. These kids show in 2019 that the overall rate of violent crime was 80% higher in the cities with blue mayors. Murder was 150% higher and robbery was 120% higher. This is for the 100 most populated cities:
https://www.jsr.org/index.php/path/article/download/1371/1108/7732
So yes, there's a problem.
Now is it because Republican mayors are better at creating conditions that discourage crime and violence? Maybe so. I think that's part of the answer.
Another possibility, you'd think that cities with blue mayors have more Democrats than Republicans and vice versa. Maybe Democrats are just more prone to commit violent crimes:
Seven Times more Democrat than Republican Felons
Here's something that might be of interest to some of the readership. By matching voter registration records to prison discharge discharge records in New York, researchers determined the ex-felons who were registered were overwhelmingly Democrats.
"Those ex-felons who are registered overwhelmingly register as Democrats. Of those discharge records that match to at least one voter file record, 61.5 percent match only to Democratic voter records. In contrast, 25.5 percent match only to voter records with no affiliation or an affiliation with a minor party, while 9 percent match only to Republican voter records. The remaining 4 percent of matched discharged records are cases where the discharge record matches with multiple voter file records that have inconsistent party identification."
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/morse/files/notificationlaws.pdfNow most Democrats are good people. Misguided, but good. But there are going to be some bad apples in any large segment of the population, and perhaps there are just more among Democrats.
Good post, Chris. I had to take a course on suicides, and one of the things I learned is that like 90% of people do not engage in multiple suicide attempts. The other was that suicide by firearm is way more successful than other means.
So another issue I saw with the anti-gun nuts is they would say there were so many deaths but firearm but not distinguish between homicide and suicide. In fact, by a factor of three, the most likely person to shoot you is you. If someone kills themselves with a gun, it does not create the buzz and fear as killing others.
It would seem to me if you really want to reduce gun deaths, you would get a lot less resistance training gun owners about how to identify those at risk for suicide versus just banning guns.
But this is just another example of the anti-gun lobby really not caring that much about public safety.Very good post, showing yet again that there are many things the democrats and fake news media / hollyweird could do if they genuinely wanted to reduce firearm deaths. But they don't.
Good question Tooms, except that you shouldn't characterize Democrats as lazy. Yes, rates of violent crime in cities with blue mayors is much higher. These kids show in 2019 that the overall rate of violent crime was 80% higher in the cities with blue mayors. Murder was 150% higher and robbery was 120% higher. This is for the 100 most populated cities:
https://www.jsr.org/index.php/path/article/download/1371/1108/7732
So yes, there's a problem.
Now is it because Republican mayors are better at creating conditions that discourage crime and violence? Maybe so. I think that's part of the answer.
Another possibility, you'd think that cities with blue mayors have more Democrats than Republicans and vice versa. Maybe Democrats are just more prone to commit violent crimes:
Now most Democrats are good people. Misguided, but good. But there are going to be some bad apples in any large segment of the population, and perhaps there are just more among Democrats.This post might not get past the mod, but the harsh reality is that it is a race issue. Black people. Specifically black males aged 15 to 35 - commit an astronomically high amount of violent crime compared to other groups.
I'm not going to get into the reasons for it, which could range from testosterone levels, low IQ, low impulse control, lack of fathers (which is linked to the previous three) but the factual reality is what matters. The dem douches will try to deny this factual reality, as they often do, but that will not change it.
As you say, most black people are perfectly law-abiding, good people. But you only need a minority of violent criminals to make an area unlivable.
Unfortunately, the significantly higher proportion of violent crime in black communities has this effect. And so you get urban ghettos like South Chicago, Baltimore, Gary, and many more places that are euphemistically called "democrat-run urban areas", but we all know what that means.
Great for an HBO drama; not so great to actually have to live there.
The only way to stop this is to have a hardline republican mayor like Giuliani in NYC, who completely backs the police to get tough with criminals.
This will inevitably result in isolated incidents of police abuse. However for every such incident, hundreds of violent crimes are prevented.
The problem we have now is that the fake media, hollyweird, leftist judiciary and Washington deep state all want more violent crime, so they focus hysterical, neverending meltdowns on the isolated cases of police abuse, while ignoring the overall positive effect that tough policing has by making the wider community safe from crime.
(We saw that the left support violent crime when Kamala Harris openly cheered on the leftist / BLM riots which burned and looted cities and caused billions of dollars of damage in 2020. Harris is particularly stupid so she publicly acclaimed the violent rioters; most of the other leading dems and deep staters are smart enough to acquiesce silently).
I own a couple of rifles and a shotgun. Those firearms can be useful for putting food on the table. And they kind of fit with the 2nd amendment concept of a "militia...being necessary to the security of a free State." Switzerland requires all young Swiss men to do military service, and they're issued with assault rifles they keep at home. As a result nobody's fucked with Switzerland in centuries. The homicide rate there is off the charts low.Indeed. Because Switzerland doesn't have any, shall we say, democrat-voting urban ghettos. Although it won't stay that way if George Soros and other Jewish financiers and NGO-funders get their way.
As long as they don't touch what I've got, I wouldn't give a flying f* if people had to give up their handguns, in the interest of reducing homicides and suicides. Now yes, that's a pretty selfish attitude on my part. I don't own handguns. Well, maybe some Democrats have a similar idea, only in reverse. They've got their handguns but no semiautomatic rifles, so they want to take away the rifles while sweeping the epidemic of deaths from handguns under the table.
As opposed to letting people in their own families, communities and states decide how they want to run their lives, many Democratic Politicians want a central government in Washington D.C. that will tell everyone what to do. And there's backlash against that, at least where I live. But there's "0" chance you'll see some kind of uprising, at least IMHO.
Anyway, maybe that fits in somehow with all this, why the threat from semiautomatic rifles and right wing militias and the like is way overblown. Maybe it's not just them trying to get a political advantage, which isn't hard to do given the media coverage of shootings with semiautomatic rifles. Maybe the paranoid among them think there's going to be some kind of uprising in red, rural America, so it's best to de-weaponize those they mistakenly believe are their enemies.The democrats and deep state in Washington don't just want to tell people what to do. They want to enforce an entirely different system to the Constitutional Republic we have enjoyed for so long.
Things are going to get much worse. We already have vast amounts of affirmative action, diversity quotas, and now this new idiocy of so-called "equity" or "racial justice", which has had the effect that as a non-Jewish white man it is very difficult to get university places, promotions (even get decent jobs in the first place), win contracts, etc.
Scott Adams (the Dilbert creator who has a daily show) talked about this: he quit Pac Bell because he was denied advancement due to his race and gender. And that was decades ago: the situation has got much worse since. Adams was lucky enough to have a comic which was taking off at the time, but most white men do not.
We are now seeing serious efforts in California to give every black person $250 k (to be paid for, of course, primarily by white people) The situation is ramping up at speed. It is entirely conceivable that there will soon be a "racial justice tax" imposed on white people, and then confiscation of their property in the name of "equity".
The left are letting in millions of illegals at the border. These are low IQ dregs, penniless and homeless. Many white Americans own property and have some savings. What is the solution?
Enforced confiscation of white assets and property (which they only possess because of "racism", right?) and redistribution to undocumented Americans (formerly known as illegals). That extended Guatemalan family is coming to live in your houses in your small town, gringo, and if you don't like it, you're a hate criminal.
Now, if the feds actually try to confiscate white peoples' assets en masse in the name of "racial justice / equity", there likely could be a genuine uprising in white rural / suburban America.
Which brings us back to the point about guns. That is why they are trying so hard to disarm us. That is why they ignore the over 90% of gun crime committed with handguns in urban ghettos and instead screech hysterically about law-abiding rural and suburban communities with AR-15's. Once they have our weapons, there is nothing to stop them taking everything else.
Far-fetched? Well, imagine telling someone 25 years ago that Bruce Jenner would be universally praised in the media and named "Woman of the Year" after cutting his dick off;.
Or that the (fraudulently installed, black-Indian, Hindu, multiple dicksucking female) Vice President of the USA would openly cheer on violent riots across the country;.
Or that California would be preparing to give handouts of $250 k to every black person in the state;.
Or that the federal debt would be $30 trillion and rising;.
Or that the official policy of the US government would be "equity" (enforcement of equality of outcome regardless or effort or talent).
Not so far-fetched all of a sudden.
Exactly, and the big wins are coming among the Hispanics which I think is the fastest growing demographic. The idea was that they would always vote Dem, but the Hispanics have gotten fed up with the high taxes, crime, gun restriction talk, woke crap, and border issues. Also, that abortion issue does not hurt much with that demographic as they are so pro-family.
Of all the dumb things I have read on this forum probably the worst were guys being critical of the woman I was seeing being a single mom. They were saying she was less value because of that and was stupid to have kept her kid. I responded, "So was your mother stupid to not have aborted you?" Shockingly, I did not get a response.
Point is that if the Republicans would stop with their stupid shaming and your killing babies speech and elevate the good single moms as to having more value than the ones who had abortions they could actually turn this into a plus. In other words, embrace being pro-life and quit using that phrase as meaning anti-abortion.
Yeah, she hid that she was a single mom from early on but once I got to know the kid and saw what a good mother she was, her being a single mother was actually a plus for me.About the text in bold, that's an original and very good idea, almost in the same league with throwing money in the hallway in front of a hotel's security camera when you kick your sugar baby out of the room for attempted extortion.
Indeed. Because Switzerland doesn't have any, shall we say, democrat-voting urban ghettos. Although it won't stay that way if George Soros and other Jewish financiers and NGO-funders get their way.
The democrats and deep state in Washington don't just want to tell people what to do. They want to enforce an entirely different system to the Constitutional Republic we have enjoyed for so long.
Things are going to get much worse. We already have vast amounts of affirmative action, diversity quotas, and now this new idiocy of so-called "equity" or "racial justice", which has had the effect that as a non-Jewish white man it is very difficult to get university places, promotions (even get decent jobs in the first place), win contracts, etc.Oh Chrissy, you worry too much.
Don't fret. Jews will not replace you.
Good question Tooms, except that you shouldn't characterize Democrats as lazy. Yes, rates of violent crime in cities with blue mayors is much higher. These kids show in 2019 that the overall rate of violent crime was 80% higher in the cities with blue mayors. Murder was 150% higher and robbery was 120% higher. This is for the 100 most populated cities:
https://www.jsr.org/index.php/path/article/download/1371/1108/7732
So yes, there's a problem.
Now is it because Republican mayors are better at creating conditions that discourage crime and violence? Maybe so. I think that's part of the answer.
Another possibility, you'd think that cities with blue mayors have more Democrats than Republicans and vice versa. Maybe Democrats are just more prone to commit violent crimes:
Now most Democrats are good people. Misguided, but good. But there are going to be some bad apples in any large segment of the population, and perhaps there are just more among Democrats.You know, since Trump and other Repubs are "winning" so much more often than Dems are lately and especially "winning" among minority demographics, isn't it about time for Repubs to step up to the plate in those high crime Red state "Dem run cities", run for Mayor in those cities, rally support from those newly devoted minorities with their great ideas for how to solve all their problems and eliminate crime, "win" those elections like I hear they are doing so much more often than Dems have lately and get their butts moving to actually DO and ACCOMPLISH this perennial claim by Repubs?
Why so shy to try?
Come on. No better time to put up or shut up on this favorite Repub issue.
Whatsamatter? Too much actual work and effort for Deadbeat Know Nothing Do Nothing Repubs to handle? Got to leave the really difficult challenges and jobs, all the heavy lifting and political risk-taking to the Dems? On everything?
Your Repubs have no problem getting elected governor and Repub potus nominees have no problem "winning" those highest crime rate Red states. Time for Repubs to start seriously running for Mayor in those high crime rate Red state cities, too and show us all how it's done.
Once again, you choose to understand words in a way that fits your own ideology. And that is why you are dishonest bcos you twist everything for win.
"Keeps losing" - means losing on a regular basis. It does not claim that they lost the last election. So, far from refute my claim (whch is irreftuable), you twisted the claim dishonestly in to one that you know so well and that you can attack (stoeln election) . As you do so often.You mean "Keeps losing. On a regular basis" like Dems have won more votes than Repubs in all but one POTUS election since 1988, thirty-five years ago, except one and that one never would have squeaked into the Repub column either had it not been a blundering "Wartime President" who also lost the vote for his first term but was awarded the position by a Repub SCOTUS anyway?
I assume from your original whine that you were talking about Dems "losing" the actual support of Americans by their supposedly bad ideas and lack of connection with Americans and not just about "losing" due to an undemocratic Repub-advantaged rigged Electoral College system, right?
So please untwist my words and meaning and explain how Dems have "Kept losing" votes to Repubs "on a regular basis" since 1988. Or have you twisted the meaning of the words "losing" and "on a regular basis" to mean something more like "winning more than" and "way back before 1988"?
Good question Tooms, except that you shouldn't characterize Democrats as lazy. Yes, rates of violent crime in cities with blue mayors is much higher. These kids show in 2019 that the overall rate of violent crime was 80% higher in the cities with blue mayors. Murder was 150% higher and robbery was 120% higher. This is for the 100 most populated cities:
https://www.jsr.org/index.php/path/article/download/1371/1108/7732 Study is a fancy way of saying you have more big cities that have elected Democrat mayors than Republican mayors and with that said, more Democrat mayors than Repub mayors, have all the headaches, trails and tribulations that come with big cities. Welcome to big cities in the USA.
No doubt, similar percentages of violent crime results of 80%, would be found for red mayors in large rural towns, if the study was undertaken to find Mayoral Party Affiliation and Violent Crime Rates in Americas Most Populated Rural Towns and Communities" . Why, because Repubs have more rural mayors than Dems.
Since when do mayors make gun control laws?
Large metropolitan Areas are Safer:
Violent Crime in Rural Areas Rises Above U.S. Average
The violent-crime rate in rural areas rose above the national average for the first time in a decade, the Wall Street Journal reports. Though cities on average have a higher violent crime rate than rural areas, large metropolitan areas are safer than they have been in decades, while some small communities are getting more dangerous.
https://thecrimereport.org/2018/05/14/rural-violent-crime-rate-rises-above-u-s-average/ This study still doesn't tell me, or give me a breakdown of homicides by weapons, committed by a Dem vs. Repub, "in the world according" to Chris P. Where's that study / chart?
This post might not get past the mod, but the harsh reality is that it is a race issue. ... Is this your latest appeal, for a "sympathetic ear" with regards to your hate speech, race bating and ugly rhetoric.
{....OTHER MINDLESS DRIVEL OF HATE SPEECH, not worth repeating ......} I'm sure your fellow comrades, are hearing the "dog whistles".
The only way to stop this is to have a hardline republican mayor like Giuliani in NYC, who completely backs the police to get tough with criminals... Guiliani? (....kkkk!)
The question now becomes why the democrats and the media largely ignore the vast majority of firearm crime, involving handguns in urban ghettos, and instead focus on a tiny minority of firearm crime involving AR-15's and suburban / rural white people? Question is why is the "heavy lifting" left up to the Dems?
A better, question is, what are the Repubs doing to for better gun control laws? Or is it really just about catering to their "gun-toting" base, why THEY (Repubs) haven't done squat?
BTW, homicides are up 25% in the rural areas. That must account for the aforementioned "Firearms, type not stated", used in rural areas.
Murder Rates Soar in Rural America
https://www.wsj.com/story/murder-rates-soar-in-rural-america-bb431022
Violent Crime in Rural Areas Rises Above U.S. Average
https://thecrimereport.org/2018/05/14/rural-violent-crime-rate-rises-above-u-s-average/
Jews will not replace you.Why do you think so many wealthy and influential Jews and Jewish groups in media, hollywood, finance and politics push so strongly for open borders and mass immigration in the West (diversity is our strength, etc), yet also strongly support an ethnostate with literal huge border walls and an extremely strict, ethnically-restrictive immigration policy for their own people in Israel?
It's almost as if they don't really believe diversity is a strength after all.
Is this your latest appeal, for a "sympathetic ear" with regards to your hate speech...Do you deny that black people, particularly black males aged 15 to 35, commit vastly more violent crime than other groups?
BTW if you're looking for "hate speech" try the anti-white diatribes by the MSNBC presenters. The only silver lining is that nobody watches their fake news shows.
Question is why is the "heavy lifting" left up to the Dems?
A better, question is, what are the Repubs doing to for better gun control laws? Exactly the same low-IQ obfuscation and failure to answer the question as PVMonger. This isn't about the Republicans. Most are strong supporters of the Second Amendment. It is about the democrats and their allied fake news and Washington alphabet agencies, who are not.
So, let's try again.
I asked why the democrats and media don't focus their anti-gun propaganda and weepy movies / ad campaigns on handguns in urban ghettos rather than AR-15's in suburbs and rural areas, given that crime and murder committed by the former vastly outstrips the latter.
Surely if the dems and media actually cared about gun casualties and actually wanted to reduce gun crime, they would focus their considerable efforts on the areas in which it was most heavily concentrated, ie urban ghettos and handguns? Unless of course the entire thing is a ruse, they don't care a damn about gun victims and are just using the issue to further attack rural and suburban white people and the Second Amendment.
Do you have a credible alternative explanation?
Republican-controlled states have higher murder rates than Democratic ones: study
https://news.yahoo.com/republican-controlled-states-have-higher-murder-rates-than-democratic-ones-study-212137750.html
The study data: https://thirdway.imgix.net/downloads/the-red-state-murder-problem/State-Murder-Rates-Data.xlsx.
Third wave found despite the media narrative and spin, it is the red states with a higher murder rate. "In 2020, per capita murder rates were 40% higher in states won by Donald Trump than those won by Joe Biden. " https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-state-murder-problem .
A year later a follow up report in, January of 2023, proving it wasn't just an anomaly, of couple of years and upward projection murder rate remained higher in red states.
So what are Republicans, doing about the murder problem in their states?
Republican-controlled states have higher murder rates than Democratic ones: study
https://news.yahoo.com/republican-controlled-states-have-higher-murder-rates-than-democratic-ones-study-212137750.html
The study data: https://thirdway.imgix.net/downloads/the-red-state-murder-problem/State-Murder-Rates-Data.xlsx.
Third wave found despite the media narrative and spin, it is the red states with a higher murder rate. "In 2020, per capita murder rates were 40% higher in states won by Donald Trump than those won by Joe Biden. " https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-state-murder-problem .
A year later a follow up report in, January of 2023, proving it wasn't just an anomaly, of couple of years and upward projection murder rate remained higher in red states.
So what are Republicans, doing about the murder problem in their states?What they will do is say that it is the "Dem-run cities" that are the problem.
What they will ignore is the fact that even if the murders from the "blue cities" in those "red states" are removed, the overall "gap" remained. In other words, if "red states" had a "murder rate problem", removing the murders from "blue cities" in those "red states" still showed that "red states" had higher murder rates than "blue states". "Over the course of the full 21 years between 2000 and 2020, the Red State murder rate was still 12% higher than the Blue State murder rate, even when murders in the largest cities in those red states were removed. And the murder rate was still higher in 18 of 21 years. " https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem.
Then, of course, they will disparage the link I posted because, well, that's what they do.
You know, since Trump and other Repubs are "winning" so much more often than Dems are lately and especially "winning" among minority demographics, isn't it about time for Repubs to step up to the plate in those high crime Red state "Dem run cities", run for Mayor in those cities, rally support from those newly devoted minorities with their great ideas for how to solve all their problems and eliminate crime, "win" those elections like I hear they are doing so much more often than Dems have lately and get their butts moving to actually DO and ACCOMPLISH this perennial claim by Repubs?
Why so shy to try?
Come on. No better time to put up or shut up on this favorite Repub issue.
Whatsamatter? Too much actual work and effort for Deadbeat Know Nothing Do Nothing Repubs to handle? Got to leave the really difficult challenges and jobs, all the heavy lifting and political risk-taking to the Dems? On everything?
Your Repubs have no problem getting elected governor and Repub potus nominees have no problem "winning" those highest crime rate Red states. Time for Repubs to start seriously running for Mayor in those high crime rate Red state cities, too and show us all how it's done.I agree Tooms. Republican governors of blue states have done a fine job, and have often been elected with large majorities. Larry Hogan, Charlie Baker, Chris Sununu, Mitt Romney and Gary Johnson are cases in point. I don't really follow government at the city level outside of where I live, but there must be similar success stories at the local level. The problem is that many of the voters have been brainwashed, like you, so they won't vote for Republicans under any circumstances.
Elvis 2008
02-02-23, 19:33
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
Compared with wearing no mask in the community studies only, wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu like illness / COVID like illness (9 studies; 276,917 people); and probably makes little or no difference in how many people have flu / COVID confirmed by a laboratory test (6 studies; 13,919 people). Unwanted effects were rarely reported; discomfort was mentioned.
N95/ P2 respirators.
Four studies were in healthcare workers, and one small study was in the community. Compared with wearing medical or surgical masks, wearing N95/ P2 respirators probably makes little to no difference in how many people have confirmed flu (5 studies; 8407 people); and may make little to no difference in how many people catch a flu‐like illness (5 studies; 8407 people), or respiratory illness (3 studies; 7799 people). Unwanted effects were not well reported; discomfort was mentioned.
Following a hand hygiene programme may reduce the number of people who catch a respiratory or flu‐like illness, or have confirmed flu, compared with people not following such a programme (19 studies; 71,210 people), although this effect was not confirmed as statistically significant reduction when ILI and laboratory confirmed ILI were analysed separately. Few studies measured unwanted effects; skin irritation in people using hand sanitiser was mentioned.
This was referenced in the zero hedge article.
And a Tweet was referenced to a guy who is pushing all the right buttons on Covid and he asks:
https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1618321365089800192
Nearly 60% of South Korea's population has now tested positive for COVID despite nearly three years of consistent universal masking with overwhelming compliance.
When will it be enough for "experts" to admit masks don't work?
As to why these studies are not being published, it is because news outlet and journals will not publish them:
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/major-mask-study-rejected-multiple-journals-amid-rumors-it-shows-masks
A major study out of Denmark that sought to examine the efficacy of face masks at limiting the spread of COVID-19 has reportedly been rejected by multiple academic journals amid hints that the study found face coverings are not effective in protecting individuals from the coronavirus.
And now more contrition from the lame stream media:
https://www.newsweek.com/its-time-scientific-community-admit-we-were-wrong-about-coivd-it-cost-lives-opinion-1776630
It is time to admit we were wrong on Covid, and what is this all about? Here are some quotes.
"I was wrong. We in the scientific community were wrong. And it cost lives.
When former President Trump pointed out the downsides of intervention, he was dismissed publicly as a buffoon. And when Dr. Antony Fauci opposed Trump and became the hero of the public health community, we gave him our support to do and say what he wanted, even when he was wrong. ".
Oh, I see. So you people in the "scientific community" literally killed people just to prove Trump was wrong which means you assholes are not "scientists" but politicians.
And this was also backed by Sheri Markson when she wrote in her excellent book, What really happened in Wuhan. She wrote that no scientist wanted to agree with Trump which of course meant there were not scientists at all. With a real scientist, you measure data and are not influenced by political opinion.
And now that it is known how much of these preventative measures did not work but were harmful, and the real goal was political not saving lives, the Democratic douches have a great idea, let's forgive and forget.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/
The title is LET'S DECLARE A PANDEMIC AMNESTY.
Let's acknowledge that we made complicated choices in the face of deep uncertainty, and then try to work together to build back and move forward.
LOL. Yeah, let's just forget the "scientific community" killed people, got political, and let them continue to dictate policy.
Apparently, the catalyst for these admissions was the Republicans winning the house and they are going to be conducting investigations on the lab leak and Covid in general.
And now back to the Newsweek article.
"Incomprehensible to us due to this class divide, we severely judged lockdown critics as lazy. We believed "misinformation" energized the ignorant, and we refused to accept that such people simply had a different, valid point of view. ".
This is classic Democratic douche behavior. Anyone who does not 100% agree with them is a complete idiot.
"Instead, we have witnessed a massive and ongoing loss of life in America due to distrust of vaccines and the healthcare system; a massive concentration in wealth by already wealthy elites; a rise in suicides and gun violence especially among the poor; a near-doubling of the rate of depression and anxiety disorders especially among the young; a catastrophic loss of educational attainment among already disadvantaged children; and among those most vulnerable, a massive loss of trust in healthcare, science, scientific authorities, and political leaders more broadly. ".
And what do the douches always do after they create these horrible conditions? They say never mind, let's just forget, or it was a confusing time for everyone. But they will go right back to their "scientific community" being right on issues like climate change. And that is why we cannot "just move on". It is the next fucking debacle you and your "scientific community" are going to create.
And the other amazing thing is so many people have only gotten the first memo about masks working, social distancing ETC and not the second where you douches admitted you screwed up and killed people. And until that happens, we the realists need to kick some ass.
I bet half the forum here STILL thinks masks work.
You mean "Keeps losing. On a regular basis" like Dems have won more votes than Repubs in all but one POTUS election since 1988, thirty-five years ago, except one and that one never would have squeaked into the Repub column either had it not been a blundering "Wartime President" who also lost the vote for his first term but was awarded the position by a Repub SCOTUS anyway?
I assume from your original whine that you were talking about Dems "losing" the actual support of Americans by their supposedly bad ideas and lack of connection with Americans and not just about "losing" due to an undemocratic Repub-advantaged rigged Electoral College system, right?
So please untwist my words and meaning and explain how Dems have "Kept losing" votes to Repubs "on a regular basis" since 1988. Or have you twisted the meaning of the words "losing" and "on a regular basis" to mean something more like "winning more than" and "way back before 1988"?The country is pretty darn evenly split. In the latest election in 2022, Republicans got 50.6% of the popular vote in House elections, compared to 47.8% for Democrats. Biden won the 2020 election with 51.3%, compared to 46.8% for Trump. And there are a lot of people, like me, who identify as Republicans and wouldn't vote for Trump for dogcatcher.
So what are you implying? That America is blue? That Democrats would win presidential elections by significant margins, say greater than 10 percentage points (e.g. 55% to 45%) if Republicans didn't cheat? Well that sounds a lot like Sidney Powell or Lin Wood.
BTW, you're cherry picking, and you're not even getting that right. Republicans actually won more votes than Democrats in two presidential elections since 1988. Your and Spidy's hands must be permanently died red, from picking cherries.
Please allow me to also cherry pick. Since 1980, Republican presidential candidates have won the majority of the vote in four elections and Democrats have won the majority in three. Furthermore, over that period, the average margin of victory in the popular vote by Republicans was 9.53%, compared to 5.93% for the Democrats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin
That said, granted, perhaps JustTK should have chosen different words. A better way to phrase the question would be why aren't Democrats kicking Republican's asses at the polls if you're right.
Study is a fancy way of saying you have more big cities that have elected Democrat mayors than Republican mayors and with that said, more Democrat mayors than Repub mayors, have all the headaches, trails and tribulations that come with big cities. Welcome to big cities in the USA.
No doubt, similar percentages of violent crime results of 80%, would be found for red mayors in large rural towns, if the study was undertaken to find Mayoral Party Affiliation and Violent Crime Rates in Americas Most Populated Rural Towns and Communities" . Why, because Repubs have more rural mayors than Dems.That's just not true. I direct you again to this link.
https://www.jsr.org/index.php/path/article/download/1371/1108/7732
Cities with Democratic mayors suffered violent crime at an 81% higher level than cities with Republican mayors for the 100 largest cities. Violent crime rates were higher in blue cities for the 20 most populated cities, the 21st through 50th largest cities, and the 51st to 100th largest cities.
Since when do mayors make gun control laws?Cities can't pass gun control laws? You have an awful lot of confidence in how gun laws can reduce crime rates.
Question is why is the "heavy lifting" left up to the Dems?
A better, question is, what are the Repubs doing to for better gun control laws? Or is it really just about catering to their "gun-toting" base, why THEY (Repubs) haven't done squat?
BTW, homicides are up 25% in the rural areas. That must account for the aforementioned "Firearms, type not stated", used in rural areas.
Murder Rates Soar in Rural America
https://www.wsj.com/story/murder-rates-soar-in-rural-america-bb431022
Violent Crime in Rural Areas Rises Above U.S. Average
https://thecrimereport.org/2018/05/14/rural-violent-crime-rate-rises-above-u-s-average/Your first article describes a nationwide increase in violent crime during 2020, probably a result of the pandemic. Yes there was a 25% increase in homicides in rural levels. But the article also states there was a 30% increase in homicide rates in metropolitan levels, from a much higher level.
As to your second article, how many articles did you have to read to come up with that one year anomaly, in 2016? Go to the WSJ article your link is describing and look at the graph:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nothing-but-you-and-the-cows-and-the-sirens-crime-tests-small-town-sheriffs-1526122800
The graph shows violent crime rates are much lower in rural and suburban areas than urban areas for all years. From 2015 to 2016, the rate of violent crimes per 1,000 people for all categories jumps:
Rural: 14.5 to 21.5.
Suburban: 17.5 to 15.5.
Urban: 23 to 30.
Well, the numbers have come down. Here are the numbers for 2021, from the Department of Justice:
Urban: 24.5 victims per 1000 population.
Suburban: 16.5.
Rural: 11.1.
So the rate of violent crime in 2021 was 120% higher in urban areas than rural areas.
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv21.pdf
Republican-controlled states have higher murder rates than Democratic ones: study
https://news.yahoo.com/republican-controlled-states-have-higher-murder-rates-than-democratic-ones-study-212137750.html
The study data: https://thirdway.imgix.net/downloads/the-red-state-murder-problem/State-Murder-Rates-Data.xlsx.
Third wave found despite the media narrative and spin, it is the red states with a higher murder rate. "In 2020, per capita murder rates were 40% higher in states won by Donald Trump than those won by Joe Biden. " https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-state-murder-problem .
A year later a follow up report in, January of 2023, proving it wasn't just an anomaly, of couple of years and upward projection murder rate remained higher in red states.
So what are Republicans, doing about the murder problem in their states?
What they will do is say that it is the "Dem-run cities" that are the problem.
What they will ignore is the fact that even if the murders from the "blue cities" in those "red states" are removed, the overall "gap" remained. In other words, if "red states" had a "murder rate problem", removing the murders from "blue cities" in those "red states" still showed that "red states" had higher murder rates than "blue states". "Over the course of the full 21 years between 2000 and 2020, the Red State murder rate was still 12% higher than the Blue State murder rate, even when murders in the largest cities in those red states were removed. And the murder rate was still higher in 18 of 21 years. " https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem.
Then, of course, they will disparage the link I posted because, well, that's what they do.I didn't disparage it before PVMonger. I was kind and gentle:
Are you referring to homicides, specifically the Third Way piece that came out in 2022? If so, the correct answer is that the weighted average homicide rate in blue cities or counties is higher than in red cities or counties, while the average rate in red states is higher than in blue states. But looking at the data by state is very deceiving. You've been misled by the same type of faulty analysis that has enabled antivaxxers to correctly state that the population in Israel and parts of the United Kingdom who are vaccinated die at higher rates from COVID than the unvaccinated.
You have to segment the data to see the truth. In the case of homicide rates, you need to segment by county or city. In the case of the vaccine, it's by age group. When you do that, you'll see that homicide rates overall are higher in counties and cities controlled by Democrats, and that the COVID vaccine is effective in preventing severe disease across all age groups.
If you're interested, this effect is called Simpson's Paradox. This explains it in more detail.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson%27s_paradoxBut if it's disparagement you want, it's disparagement you shall get. While I may differ with Elvis and others here on COVID issues, none have attempted to argue with me about Simpson's Paradox as it relates to vaccine data. You guys keep coming back to the same fallacies. Are you really that different from those who believe Venezuela controls Dominion voting machines and the COVID vaccines have killed tens of millions, when it comes to separating reality from bull shit?
Policing is done at the local level. All the "state police" do where I live is hand out traffic tickets.
PVMonger, I shall again offer your the Tiny Triple Combo. A fine tequila, a fine meal, and a fine time in an estetica masculina. This challenge will take a lot more work, but is probably doable with DOJ or FBI and MIT Election Lab data. Determine which presidential candidate won in 2020 in each county. So you'll have a list of "red" counties and "blue" counties. Determine the total number of homicides in 2019 or 2021 (to avoid COVID effect) in each of the red counties and each of the blue counties. Sum them. Divide by the total population of red and blue counties respectively. If the homicide rate for the red counties is greater than the blue counties, you win the Tiny Triple Combo. Spidy, the offer is open to you too.
That said, granted, perhaps JustTK should have chosen different words. A better way to phrase the question would be why aren't Democrats kicking Republican's asses at the polls if you're right.This reminded me of the infamous Crooked Hillary "why aren't I 50 points ahead?" clip, delivered with her trademark blend of arrogance, entitlement and unlikability. Ah, that election was wonderful: so full of fun and hope, in the days before big tech censorship and mail-in rigging.
I didn't disparage it before PVMonger. I was kind and gentle:
But if it's disparagement you want, it's disparagement you shall get. While I may differ with Elvis and others here on COVID issues, none have attempted to argue with me about Simpson's Paradox as it relates to vaccine data. You guys keep coming back to the same fallacies. Are you really that different from those who believe Venezuela controls Dominion voting machines and the COVID vaccines have killed tens of millions, when it comes to separating reality from bull shit?
Policing is done at the local level. All the "state police" do where I live is hand out traffic tickets.
PVMonger, I shall again offer your the Tiny Triple Combo. A fine tequila, a fine meal, and a fine time in an estetica masculina. This challenge will take a lot more work, but is probably doable with DOJ or FBI and MIT Election Lab data. Determine which presidential candidate won in 2020 in each county. So you'll have a list of "red" counties and "blue" counties. Determine the total number of homicides in 2019 or 2021 (to avoid COVID effect) in each of the red counties and each of the blue counties. Sum them. Divide by the total population of red and blue counties respectively. If the homicide rate for the red counties is greater than the blue counties, you win the Tiny Triple Combo. Spidy, the offer is open to you too.PVMonger and his obfuscatory bullshit pwned again. Tiny 12, you are doing God's work sir.
Elvis 2008
02-02-23, 20:54
You still don't get it, do you?.No, you don't.
Even you can't be dense enough to believe that obstructing the government for a year is equal to turning over found records immediately. To be sure, both "mishandled" documents. But when Donnie the Dumbass mishandled them, he obstructed the governments efforts to get the documents returned and ignored a subpoenaYour problem is that you think ignoring a subpoena is obstruction. It is not. Compliance with subpoenas is voluntary. You are wrongly saying not complying with them is obstruction.
If the government wanted the subpoenaed documents, you go to court and make your case. Thing is if you go this route, it is going to take a long time and well it should. And you are going to have to take on the debate with regards to the president's right to declassify. If document recovery was what was important versus sticking it to Trump, this is the course that should have been taken.
If the subpoena was upheld by the courts and Trump refused to release the records, THEN it would have been correct to use a SWAT team and do a raid. How many times have I said this and you ignored it?
As for Biden, and this statement, "We found a handful of documents were filed in the wrong place," it does not fucking matter. The law was broken. Period. Intent does not fucking matter.
In fact, when it comes to the letter of the law, Trump can argue he could have declassified the classified documents, and Biden cannot.
So at the end of the day, you Democratic douches are making new laws again. With classified documents, intent matters. And with subpoenas, they are not voluntary and have to be followed.
In my case, unless there were really serious national security issues with these documents, which I doubt in either case was true, then I do not want either prosecuted but not you. IMO It is a stupid law that allows the deep state too much power. But with a douche like you, Trump should be prosecuted to the fullest extent to the law while the Department of Injustice should just let Biden go right? If I am wrong, please correct me.
In other words, laws are for Republicans but Democrats can break them as long as they claim their intentions are pure because Republicans bad and Democrats good right?
Your first article describes a nationwide increase in violent crime during 2020, probably a result of the pandemic. Yes there was a 25% increase in homicides in rural levels. But the article also states there was a 30% increase in homicide rates in metropolitan levels, from a much higher level.
As to your second article, how many articles did you have to read to come up with that one year anomaly, in 2016? Go to the WSJ article your link is describing and look at the graph:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/nothing-but-you-and-the-cows-and-the-sirens-crime-tests-small-town-sheriffs-1526122800
The graph shows violent crime rates are much lower in rural and suburban areas than urban areas for all years. From 2015 to 2016, the rate of violent crimes per 1,000 people for all categories jumps:
Rural: 14.5 to 21.5.
Suburban: 17.5 to 15.5.
Urban: 23 to 30.
Well, the numbers have come down. Here are the numbers for 2021, from the Department of Justice:
Urban: 24.5 victims per 1000 population.
Suburban: 16.5.
Rural: 11.1.
So the rate of violent crime in 2021 was 120% higher in urban areas than rural areas.
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv21.pdfAnother good post.
Everyone living in reality knows that violent crime is massively higher in black urban areas.
These dem douche leftists who attempt to deny it with idiotic twisted arguments are like the pro-tranny lobby who say "I know this woman who is 6 feet tall, or that woman who can bench 200 pounds, therefore there is no difference between men and women".
Or like cutting a highlight reel of every Tom Brady interception and sack, then showing it to people and trying to argue it proves he's a terrible quarterback.
BTW thanks for the memories Tom the GOAT. A shining example of old school American manhood for us all to look up to.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
Compared with wearing no mask in the community studies only, wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu like illness / COVID like illness (9 studies; 276,917 people); and probably makes little or no difference in how many people have flu / COVID confirmed by a laboratory test (6 studies; 13,919 people). Unwanted effects were rarely reported; discomfort was mentioned.
N95/ P2 respirators.
Four studies were in healthcare workers, and one small study was in the community. Compared with wearing medical or surgical masks, wearing N95/ P2 respirators probably makes little to no difference in how many people have confirmed flu (5 studies; 8407 people); and may make little to no difference in how many people catch a flu‐like illness (5 studies; 8407 people), or respiratory illness (3 studies; 7799 people). Unwanted effects were not well reported; discomfort was mentioned.
Following a hand hygiene programme may reduce the number of people who catch a respiratory or flu‐like illness, or have confirmed flu, compared with people not following such a programme (19 studies; 71,210 people), although this effect was not confirmed as statistically significant reduction when ILI and laboratory confirmed ILI were analysed separately. Few studies measured unwanted effects; skin irritation in people using hand sanitiser was mentioned.
This was referenced in the zero hedge article.
And a Tweet was referenced to a guy who is pushing all the right buttons on Covid and he asks:
https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1618321365089800192.Great forensic post Elvis.
It is coming out now how utterly destructive and wrongheaded the covid scamdemic was on so many levels.
The masks didn't work, the vaccines didn't work, the lockdowns didn't work.
Or rather, they didn't work in their stated aims. What they did do was destroy centuries-old liberties, cripple businesses and the middle class, add trillions to the debt, retard kids' development, and lead to an awful lot of #DiedSuddenly. Which was perhaps the intention all along.
I didn't disparage it before PVMonger. I was kind and gentle:
But if it's disparagement you want, it's disparagement you shall get. While I may differ with Elvis and others here on COVID issues, none have attempted to argue with me about Simpson's Paradox as it relates to vaccine data. You guys keep coming back to the same fallacies. Are you really that different from those who believe Venezuela controls Dominion voting machines and the COVID vaccines have killed tens of millions, when it comes to separating reality from bull shit?
Policing is done at the local level. All the "state police" do where I live is hand out traffic tickets.
PVMonger, I shall again offer your the Tiny Triple Combo. A fine tequila, a fine meal, and a fine time in an estetica masculina. This challenge will take a lot more work, but is probably doable with DOJ or FBI and MIT Election Lab data. Determine which presidential candidate won in 2020 in each county. So you'll have a list of "red" counties and "blue" counties. Determine the total number of homicides in 2019 or 2021 (to avoid COVID effect) in each of the red counties and each of the blue counties. Sum them. Divide by the total population of red and blue counties respectively. If the homicide rate for the red counties is greater than the blue counties, you win the Tiny Triple Combo. Spidy, the offer is open to you too.If you have done all that work, fine. Why not simply publish it here so that we all can see it? But you won't because you haven't done the work. You simply make up stuff and challenge others to do what you won't or can't do.
By the way, the link I published here was valid. They took "red states", stripped out the murders in the largest "blue city" in that state and found that the murder rate of the state was high. What you want to do with your challenge is to segregate the data down to the county level. What that dataset will show, of course, is that virtually to county, blue counties are urban and have a higher crime rate than red counties which are primarily rural. Hell, why don't you take the data all the way down to the block? I'll bet you'd find that some blocks have higher murder rates than others, even in red counties.
If you have a problem with the study I posted, fine. But if you have a problem with it, simply do your own challenge and post the results here. I'll wait.
That's just not true. I direct you again to this link.
https://www.jsr.org/index.php/path/article/download/1371/1108/7732
Cities with Democratic mayors suffered violent crime at an 81% higher level than cities with Republican mayors for the 100 largest cities. Violent crime rates were higher in blue cities for the 20 most populated cities, the 21st through 50th largest cities, and the 51st to 100th largest cities.
Cities can't pass gun control laws? You have an awful lot of confidence in how gun laws can reduce crime rates.Chicago has some of the most restrictive anti-gun laws in America. They do nothing to stop black people shooting each other en masse every week.
The country is pretty darn evenly split. In the latest election in 2022, Republicans got 50.6% of the popular vote in House elections, compared to 47.8% for Democrats. Biden won the 2020 election with 51.3%, compared to 46.8% for Trump. And there are a lot of people, like me, who identify as Republicans and wouldn't vote for Trump for dogcatcher.
So what are you implying? That America is blue? That Democrats would win presidential elections by significant margins, say greater than 10 percentage points (e.g. 55% to 45%) if Republicans didn't cheat? Well that sounds a lot like Sidney Powell or Lin Wood.
BTW, you're cherry picking, and you're not even getting that right. Republicans actually won more votes than Democrats in two presidential elections since 1988. Your and Spidy's hands must be permanently died red, from picking cherries.
Please allow me to also cherry pick. Since 1980, Republican presidential candidates have won the majority of the vote in four elections and Democrats have won the majority in three. Furthermore, over that period, the average margin of victory in the popular vote by Republicans was 9.53%, compared to 5.93% for the Democrats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin
That said, granted, perhaps JustTK should have chosen different words. A better way to phrase the question would be why aren't Democrats kicking Republican's asses at the polls if you're right.The "since 1980" part of your post stirred interest and I looked at your link. It appears that Reagan's victory in 1984, with a margin of almost 17 million votes, have skewed the margin of victory numbers BY A LOT.
Also, since 1980 Republicans have won the majority of the vote in 1980,1984 and 1988 and 2004. That's 4. Democrats won the majority of the votes in 1992,1996, 2004,2008 and 2020. That's 5.
And the only candidates to win the EC and loose the popular vote were W and Donnie the Dumbass. Since 1888, that is.
The country is pretty darn evenly split. In the latest election in 2022, Republicans got 50.6% of the popular vote in House elections, compared to 47.8% for Democrats. Biden won the 2020 election with 51.3%, compared to 46.8% for Trump. And there are a lot of people, like me, who identify as Republicans and wouldn't vote for Trump for dogcatcher.
So what are you implying? That America is blue? That Democrats would win presidential elections by significant margins, say greater than 10 percentage points (e.g. 55% to 45%) if Republicans didn't cheat? Well that sounds a lot like Sidney Powell or Lin Wood.
BTW, you're cherry picking, and you're not even getting that right. Republicans actually won more votes than Democrats in two presidential elections since 1988. Your and Spidy's hands must be permanently died red, from picking cherries.
Please allow me to also cherry pick. Since 1980, Republican presidential candidates have won the majority of the vote in four elections and Democrats have won the majority in three. Furthermore, over that period, the average margin of victory in the popular vote by Republicans was 9.53%, compared to 5.93% for the Democrats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin
That said, granted, perhaps JustTK should have chosen different words. A better way to phrase the question would be why aren't Democrats kicking Republican's asses at the polls if you're right.The "since 1980" part of your post stirred interest and I looked at your link. It appears that Reagan's victory in 1984, with a margin of almost 17 million votes, have skewed the margin of victory numbers BY A LOT.
Also, since 1980 Republicans have won the majority of the vote in 1980,1984 and 1988 and 2004. That's 4. Democrats won the majority of the votes in 1992,1996, 2004,2008 and 2020. That's 5. I may not be looking at the same numbers but since vote majorities are negative numbers if they are less, maybe not.
And the only candidates to win the EC and loose the popular vote were W and Donnie the Dumbass. Since 1888, that is.
PVMonger, I shall again offer your the Tiny Triple Combo. A fine tequila, a fine meal, and a fine time in an estetica masculina. This challenge will take a lot more work, but is probably doable with DOJ or FBI and MIT Election Lab data. Determine which presidential candidate won in 2020 in each county. So you'll have a list of "red" counties and "blue" counties. Determine the total number of homicides in 2019 or 2021 (to avoid COVID effect) in each of the red counties and each of the blue counties. Sum them. Divide by the total population of red and blue counties respectively. If the homicide rate for the red counties is greater than the blue counties, you win the Tiny Triple Combo. Spidy, the offer is open to you too.As I don't want you gentlemen to waste a huge amount of time on a losing proposition, here are the ten counties in the USA with the highest homicide rates in 2017, from the source linked below, and the margin by which Biden won each in 2020.
1. Orleans Parish, Louisiana 68.2%.
2. Coahoma County, Mississippi 42.9%.
3. Phillips County, Arkansas 19.3%.
4. tie St. Louis City, Missouri 66.2%.
4. tie Baltimore City, Maryland 76.6%.
6. Petersburg, Virginia 76.5%.
7. tie Macon County, Alabama 63.8%.
7. tie Washington, D.C. 86.7%.
9. Washington County, Mississippi 39.6%.
9. Dallas County, Alabama 37.5%.
https://www.police1.com/ambush/articles/10-us-counties-with-the-highest-murder-rate-kerWgaEUmxJkn74J/
Based on the list above, there are definitely counties with small populations out there run by Democrats that are about as dangerous as any of the blue cities. And yes, in the top 10 list, those counties are mostly in red states. Remember Simpson's Paradox.
So yes indeed PVMonger, if you remove the largest cities in places like Mississippi and Alabama, the homicide rate in those states will probably still be higher than average for the USA because of all the murders in blue counties there.
I bet half the forum here STILL thinks masks work.Yeah, I do. I read the first link, and it wasn't convincing. They only have low to moderate confidence in their conclusions, and their data is mostly drawn from influenza studies. You may recall that the CDC's and Fauci's reason for telling us masks weren't useful initially was because that's what the influenza studies indicated. OK, yes the reason probably really was they didn't want the public using masks while there was a shortage among health care workers. And they figured the public could just stay home and not work or go to school anyway, haha. Anyway, the reading I did a couple of years ago indicated good quality masks worn correctly did help prevent COVID 19 and SARS transmission.
I will continue to wear KN95 masks when in crowded settings where nobody knows me. (I don't like being a laughingstock.) And I'll continue to get boosters until such time as there's evidence sufficient to convince me they're a bad idea. I don't see the downside in either, and I see a lot of upside. I've only gotten a cold once since COVID kicked off. I used to get about 3 a year. Part of that is probably from wearing KN95 and N95 masks correctly (with a good seal) when appropriate.
The "since 1980" part of your post stirred interest and I looked at your link. It appears that Reagan's victory in 1984, with a margin of almost 17 million votes, have skewed the margin of victory numbers BY A LOT.
Also, since 1980 Republicans have won the majority of the vote in 1980,1984 and 1988 and 2004. That's 4. Democrats won the majority of the votes in 1992,1996, 2004,2008 and 2020. That's 5.
And the only candidates to win the EC and loose the popular vote were W and Donnie the Dumbass. Since 1888, that is.About Reagan and the 1980 starting date, yes, I already said I was cherry picking. How come Tooms gets to cherry pick and I don't?
The Democratic candidate got 43.0%, 49.2% and 48.3% of the popular vote in 1992,1996 and 2004 respectively. Please note that a majority is greater than 50%. Democratic candidates didn't get majorities in those years, and in fact lost the popular and electoral vote in 2004. What I wrote was correct.
You guys seem to have one set of rules for Democrats who post here and another for the rest of us.
Correct, George W. Bush lost the popular vote by 0.5% and Trump lost by 2.1% in 2000 and 2016 respectively, but they won the electoral vote. Every time those two ran, I voted for the Libertarian, as I thought they were poor candidates.
If you have done all that work, fine. Why not simply publish it here so that we all can see it? But you won't because you haven't done the work. You simply make up stuff and challenge others to do what you won't or can't do.
By the way, the link I published here was valid. They took "red states", stripped out the murders in the largest "blue city" in that state and found that the murder rate of the state was high. What you want to do with your challenge is to segregate the data down to the county level. What that dataset will show, of course, is that virtually to county, blue counties are urban and have a higher crime rate than red counties which are primarily rural. Hell, why don't you take the data all the way down to the block? I'll bet you'd find that some blocks have higher murder rates than others, even in red counties.
If you have a problem with the study I posted, fine. But if you have a problem with it, simply do your own challenge and post the results here. I'll wait.I addressed all that in Post 11744 below. If you still don't get it, there's not much I can do. As to your idea about going down to a block level, I've done better than that. I've gone down to the individual level. See post 11676, "7 times more Democrat than Republican Felons."
Tiny 12, you are doing God's work sir.Thank you Brother Chris. Converting Democrats is hard, thankless work. I appreciate the encouragement.
...."I know this woman who is 6 feet tall, or that woman who can bench 200 pounds, therefore there is no difference between men and women".
Or like cutting a highlight reel of every Tom Brady interception and sack, then showing it to people and trying to argue it proves he's a terrible quarterback.
BTW thanks for the memories Tom the GOAT. A shining example of old school American manhood for us all to look up to.
Yes Chris, our Democratic friends here, who are smart people, are not blessed with mathematical or analytical skills equal to their writing abilities. I'm probably on a fool's mission, trying to teach them about Simpson's Paradox.
Chicago has some of the most restrictive anti-gun laws in America.
We were discussing Switzerland earlier, where citizens are issued rifles. The homicide rate there is around 0.5 to 0.6 per 100,000 per year. That's among the lowest in Europe.
It's about 5 in the USA, and in the range of 25 to 43 for the counties in the table I linked to below.
The country is pretty darn evenly split. In the latest election in 2022, Republicans got 50.6% of the popular vote in House elections, compared to 47.8% for Democrats. Biden won the 2020 election with 51.3%, compared to 46.8% for Trump. And there are a lot of people, like me, who identify as Republicans and wouldn't vote for Trump for dogcatcher.
So what are you implying? That America is blue? That Democrats would win presidential elections by significant margins, say greater than 10 percentage points (e.g. 55% to 45%) if Republicans didn't cheat? Well that sounds a lot like Sidney Powell or Lin Wood.
BTW, you're cherry picking, and you're not even getting that right. Republicans actually won more votes than Democrats in two presidential elections since 1988. Your and Spidy's hands must be permanently died red, from picking cherries..I am implying that an assertion by JustTK or anyone else that Dems "Keep losing" to any other Party for any reason is utter hogwash. Not "regularly", not "lately", not "currently", not "recently", not "routinely" or any slippery greased eel loony QAnon Repub parsing, cherry-picking, word-twisting qualifier you conjure up.
The Dem POTUS candidate won more votes than any candidate of any other Party in:
1992.
1996.
2000.
2008.
2012.
2016.
2020.
That is 7 out of the past 8 POTUS elections.
The only other Party that won more votes than any of the rest since 1988 was The Repub Party, in 2004.
That is 1 out of the past 8 POTUS elections.
And that candidate squeaked into a win on the votes with the historically proven advantage as an incumbent and as a "Wartime President", thanks entirely to a Repub SCOTUS awarding him that incumbent status despite him getting fewer votes than the Dem candidate and his colossal National Security negligence, blunders and lies plunging us into his counterproductive, quagmire Wars in the first place.
Additionally, the most beloved, revered and iconic Repub Party Leader and so-called potus of all time just recently presided over the LOSS of the Presidency, the LOSS of the House and the LOSS of the Senate, to the Dems, in his one, twice Impeached so-called potus term, a triumph of LOSS for Repubs and a WIN for Dems that has not occurred for any Party since 1932, ninety years ago.
That is what I am implying.
What they will do is say that it is the "Dem-run cities" that are the problem.
What they will ignore is the fact that even if the murders from the "blue cities" in those "red states" are removed, the overall "gap" remained. In other words, if "red states" had a "murder rate problem", removing the murders from "blue cities" in those "red states" still showed that "red states" had higher murder rates than "blue states". "Over the course of the full 21 years between 2000 and 2020, the Red State murder rate was still 12% higher than the Blue State murder rate, even when murders in the largest cities in those red states were removed. And the murder rate was still higher in 18 of 21 years. " https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem.
Then, of course, they will disparage the link I posted because, well, that's what they do.Spot on and great analysis! Definitely an excellent study, showing murder rates in red states, debunking all those pundits.
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