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Why is HIV so prevalent in hetero males in Africa?
Poverty is the prime reason IMHO. When you're poor, you don't spend money on condoms. When you're poor, you don't spend money on anti-viral treatments. Additionally, if the women involved in the issue don't demand that the man wear a condom, she can become infected. And then she passes the infection on.
Sub-Saharan Africans have a higher level of sexuality. Banging is just normal and expected behavior for them. Their women don't get headaches, and they don't often play dumb mind games like western women do. That's why it's a fun place to visit!
But it obviously does mean there are higher rates of STDs. So stock up on rubbers and prep beforehand.Excellent points gentlemen. Just really excellent points. (I'm trying to get Tooms to change my nickname from "Good Points Tiny" to "Excellent Points Tiny.")
Since I started wearing condoms religiously, I haven't been reading up on HIV in third world countries. The old explanations were that ulcers on ones penis and STD's like herpes, chlamydia and gonorrhea made people more susceptible to HIV infection. And there were more untreated STD's in Africa. Another explanation was that there was some kind of variant of the virus in Africa that was more infectious. But honestly your explanations make more sense to me.
I'll add one, a variation on what PVMonger said. If you don't have enough money for condoms, maybe anal sex is more common, for birth control. I don't know if that's necessarily a good theory for heterosexual men who are the givers and not the receivers. It could help explain higher rates among women though.
And, no, your flights of fancy into marathon topic-changing conversations here having virtually nothing to do with American Politics, clearly not your expertise, won't distract or misdirect anyone from that uncomfortable truth either.
To try to keep this relevant to American Politics, I believe like illiteracy, poverty, and crime, AIDS is more common among Democrats.
Just kidding! And even now that it's not a death sentence, I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
To try to keep this relevant to American Politics, I believe like illiteracy, poverty, and crime, AIDS is more common among Democrats.
Poverty is the root cause. Partly leading to low condom use, poor education, but also importantly poor diet and therefore compromised immune system.
Poverty also causes husbands to go work away from home in mines. They stay away from home for months on end, in 'barrack' like accommodation on site. When they are away from home for so long, they tend to use local hookers that service the mines. Since polygamy is common place, a guy can get infected in the big cities, then take it back to his brood of wives, and infect them all.
Poverty is the root cause. Partly leading to low condom use, poor education, but also importantly poor diet and therefore compromised immune system.
Poverty also causes husbands to go work away from home in mines. They stay away from home for months on end, in 'barrack' like accommodation on site. When they are away from home for so long, they tend to use local hookers that service the mines. Since polygamy is common place, a guy can get infected in the big cities, then take it back to his brood of wives, and infect them all.A third excellent post on this subject. I think the ISG Brain Trust has a better handle on the spread of HIV in Africa than the UN and WHO. Seriously. Thanks for an enlightening discussion gentlemen.
Yet again the point has gone flying over your tiny NPC mind.
Someone from the Trump administration asked Twitter to take down a hateful insult directed toward the President of the United States. Twitter refused. The End.
They didn't attempt to "make it illegal". They didn't collaborate with twitter, the FBI and the rest of the deep state. They simply pointed out that Twitter deleted a huge amount of what it called "hateful" insulting tweets, so would they consider doing it here. Twitter didn't, as was their right, and nothing more happened.
Compare that to the Hunter Biden laptop.
Here we have a vast trove of information detailing corruption in the Biden Crime Family, just weeks before an election.
Where Twitter had refused to remove the anti-Trump tweet, they now did the opposite for Biden. They (and other Big Tech) completely censored and blocked all mention of the laptop, to the point of suspending the account of the New York Post among others.
See the difference? Refuse to remove a hateful anti-Trump tweet, but ferociously block and censor important information about Biden corruption and criminality..You missed the point. Period.
You complain about censorship and Donnie the Dumbass did exactly that. He or someone in his administration asked Twitter to remove a post he didn't like.
That's censorship.
You didn't know that, of course, because FUX Snooze didn't report it. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. What it means is that FUX Snooze didn't want you to know.
Elvis 2008
02-22-23, 17:47
Interesting link, thanks. It looks like only about 2500 heterosexual males in the USA came down with HIV in 2019. That's not very many. And that number may be high as I imagine some men may have lied about their sexual preferences.The way that number was created was just by asking men. The idea behind it is why would they lie, but two of the most common things people are going to lie about is if they are gay or do drugs.
Studies showed the rate of transmission for heterosexual transmission was one in half a million to zero. So now Xpartan is creating a straw man (I wish you guys would not quote him LOL). I said when the rates of transmission are that low guys should not worry about HIV now with normal sex, especially given its current prognosis. In making that statement, Xpartan has no clue with regards to the prognosis with HIV, no clue what the rate of latex allergies is, and no clue as to how quickly a latex allergy can take your life. But he swears he is on a mission of safety when the truth is he is an uneducated dumb ass who puts people at greater health risk if he is listened to. Unsurprisingly, he swallowed up all the government's Covid crap too.
Using condoms for pregnancy prevention is rational. Using condoms for HIV protection is just stupid if you really know what the risks and benefits are. Again, we all know nothing is likely to happen with condom use, but latex allergies are surprisingly common and cause itching and rashes. And in some people, you can go from a rash to full blown anaphylaxis with each subsequent use of a condom.
Do you have any idea why the number of heterosexual males in Africa infected with HIV is so much higher? I'm wondering if there's something going on health wise that could account for it. Or alternately maybe there's a bigger stigma associated with being gay in Africa, so people won't admit to it. I suspect that's less likely.It is covered in the article I linked. If you read the article I linked, granted it is long, the testing in Africa for HIV is shit, the data in various countries is so poor to the point of not being believed, and like with Covid, many deaths were shoved into the AIDS category.
The author thought people in the coffin business would be booming with the AIDS "epidemic" when in fact they were going out of business. He went to what was called ground zero for AIDS expecting to see a ghost town and saw a city where the population nearly doubled. He then looked into the business of death and thought it would be pristine and it was just as corrupt as any other enterprise.
And who was the lead actor in promoting the AIDS "epidemic"? That fucker Fauci. AIDS is real and so is Covid, but that self serving mother fucker massively exaggerated the risks of both for his own fame and financial benefit.
A third excellent post on this subject. I think the ISG Brain Trust has a better handle on the spread of HIV in Africa than the UN and WHO. Seriously. Thanks for an enlightening discussion gentlemen.No problem Tiny. Next time your in Africa give me a shout. I will give you a tour of the mines, and we can go meet some local service girls. Am sure you will be well protected in your Darth Vader suit and other redundant medications.
Elvis 2008
02-22-23, 19:08
China and Eastern Europe were banished from playing a regular part in the world BCOS they were left wing. So of course, they suffered.No, China's #1 trading partner in 1966 was Japan. China traded oil and coal for finished goods from Japan. Americans would buy premium products like Stoly vodka and Beluga caviar in the 1980's as well. They were not excluded from the "regular part" of the world.
And TK, I was shocked when you went to Venezuela and thought the Americans were responsible for the decline. You completely bought the Chavez bullshit. Truth is Venezuela had and may still have the world's largest oil reserves. The country was the richest in South America and should be today if they got their shit together.
Venezuela's turn to shit was because when Chavez came into office he loaded up the Venezuelan oil companies with his cronies. Oil production in Venezuela is similar to Canada, and there was a massive migration then of engineers and workers from Venezuela to Canada.
Then Chavez went back on his contract with Exxon. Exxon sued in world court and win. I expect you to say the world court is rigged in Exxon's favor, but there were Venezuelans who studied the contract and said Exxon was right to win.
And then you had the American telephone company that wired all of Venezuela, GTE. GTE was bought out by Verizon, and under Venezuelan law, Verizon was forced to pay out 50% of its profits in the form of dividends, and it did so. Thing is Verizon owned 25% of the company and got those dividends too. I was at a share holder meeting and every shareholder was screaming at management to screw over Verizon.
So what you call socialism I call theft. And what follows? Chavez dies. He steals billions and gives it to his family. They live in Florida, the great Satan nation that Chavez always griped was the reason for all of Venezuela's problems. Venezuela destroys its currency. They try crypto, then gold based currency, and no in their nation wants it, so what do they use now? The USA dollar. Now why is that TK?
And you think this was just with the USA? No, Morales and Bolivia stole the natural gas wells from Brazil. Sure, Bolivia did great in the beginning. After stealing said wells, the first thing Morales did was raise the price on the gas Brazil was paying, but production in Bolivia was stagnant for decades.
I invested a little in both nations. I made out when Chavez scared the crap out of everyone when he bought the phone company. He paid $18 a share for a company worth 5 X that. I put $1500 into Bolivia into a general mutual fund there and it went to zero. I invested in an Argentine company that was flat when the price should have gone through the roof but management was hoarding all the money through an options scheme. Meanwhile, I killed it when investing in Colombia and Chile, and which economies did the best in the twenty years since? Chile and Colombia have kicked the crap out of Argentina, Bolivia, and Venezuela.
The difference between Venezuela and Colombia was as stark as Western Europe and the old Soviet Union. Anyone going into the USSR by train could see how organized Western Europe was and what shit the USSR was. Anyone going from Venezuela to Colombia to find work? They should be. Venezuela SHOULD be a richer country.
And the first thing this socialist dickhead in Colombia said he was going to do was to quit drilling for oil. Oh brother. The best thing you can do for the environment is to get people up to $5,000 per person with regards to GDP. Only then do the poor think long term about the environment. So this socialist MF gets in there and says the first thing he is going to do is quit expanding Colombia's #1 export business and the country is instantly 20% poorer because their currency crumbles. In fact, he assures the poor stay poor because the way you get people out of poverty is clean water and cheap electricity, and he just took out Colombia's cheapest method to get cheap power.
That is the talk of the dumb shit Dems. They are going to save the planet by bankrupting the poor with "green" energy.
I grant you that Lula is socialist and his version of socialism did help Brazil, but you miss the point. When you have your "owned by workers" fantasy, that does not mean the workers own things but people who claim to be for the worker. And for every Lula, I have seen dozens of Chavez's.
There are a very precious few pols who will not be tempted to stuff their pockets while in power. Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Bernie Sanders, and even Trump do not rule for their personal gain. That is four people out of how many American pols? Hell, even Lula's hand picked successor was corrupt. For all the red-blue clashing, McConell and Pelosi have both made out like bandits while in office.
In reality, what concerns me the most is private property rights, and I see the leftists / socialists time and again having no respect for them. Doesn't "worker owned" mean stealing from those who have wealth?
CheckMate1
02-22-23, 19:37
Yet again the point has gone flying over your tiny NPC mind.
Someone from the Trump administration asked Twitter to take down a hateful insult directed toward the President of the United States. Twitter refused. The End.
They didn't attempt to "make it illegal". They didn't collaborate with twitter, the FBI and the rest of the deep state. They simply pointed out that Twitter deleted a huge amount of what it called "hateful" insulting tweets, so would they consider doing it here. Twitter didn't, as was their right, and nothing more happened.
Compare that to the Hunter Biden laptop.
Here we have a vast trove of information detailing corruption in the Biden Crime Family, just weeks before an election.
Where Twitter had refused to remove the anti-Trump tweet, they now did the opposite for Biden. They (and other Big Tech) completely censored and blocked all mention of the laptop, to the point of suspending the account of the New York Post among others.
See the difference? Refuse to remove a hateful anti-Trump tweet, but ferociously block and censor important information about Biden corruption and criminality.
What's worse is that it was not only the Biden campaign and democrats involved in the coverup, but also the FBI and the rest of the Washington deep state. All working in tandem with big tech and the fake news media to block information and create disinformation and fake news.
Up to 50% of people say that they would have switched their vote away from Biden had they known about the contents of the laptop. Its censorship was the clearest and most egregious election-meddling in American history.
The entire media political alphabet agency big tech wall street deep state swamp and their globohomo Agenda (best summarized as "Open Borders and Open Buttholes") is a scam and fraud against the American people. I look forward to the day it is swept away, one way or another."Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances".
-The media (FOX, MSNBC, ABC, Washington Post (ie Amazon), etc).
-Social media (FB, Twitter, IG, etc).
-Business news (CNBC, FOX Business, Motley Fools, etc).
These are private businesses (not state owned) and can or can not publish whatever they wish, and are NOT related to First Amendment free speech protection. ALL Businesses are PROFIT seeking entities. Now, if you are for or against regulating businesses, then that is a debate. So if an individual such as Trump or Biden petition a business to remove a quote or story, the business entity will evaluate whether it is good for their bottom line or not.
On the value of ifs and shoulds about the past, too many times people post a lot garbage on the internet for clicks with their own agenda of gaining following, etc. Things like Hunter's laptop or that Trump is guilty as eff, etc. There's a system in place designed by our forefather, it's call the Judicial System. Bring your cases, if you have them to court, and present your evidence. Someone will judge it, and there are appeals available up to the end, with the 9 Justices to provide the final verdict.
Too many times, we get into the habit of debating sh (stuffs) that we have partial picture of. Let it play out, whether it by timeline and reportings fill out the puzzle, or by court verdicts. One thing holds true is that LIES will always get exposed in time. But we are too impatient, and want to have OUR opinion validated now. Life doesn't work that way.
-advice-.
DON'T be angry when things don't pan out the way your mind wants it.
DON'T let BUSINESSES dictate if you should be angry with a person or group because they don't share your view politically, spiritually, or otherwise.
DO enjoy the ladies that your with, and the buddies that are with you.
ENJOY everything while you can. Because in a few years, we will ALL share the same fate (Thanos).
CM.
Sub-Sahara African sexual customs and culture includes blood-letting rituals, cutting, stitching, ripping and dry sex behaviors unlike anywhere else on Earth. So much so that condoms scarcely survive the challenges even when they are worn.
Blaming "poverty" and "lack of condoms" for the almost singularly high incidence of female-to-male HIV transmission and back to female transmission in Sub-Saharan Africa ignores what many of those cultures promote sexually that, combined, will rarely if ever occur anywhere else on the planet.
I assure you it is not what happens in Thailand or any other mongering destination I have ever been.
Penis-vagina sex under conditions that exist all too often in Sub-Saharan Africa, even if using a condom, is probably more abrasive, more apt to rip and tear delicate genital skin of the pitcher and the catcher and involve more blood mixing that will directly enter the bloodstream than the way bareback anal sex is performed under ordinary and common conditions elsewhere:
'Dry Sex' Is the African Sexual Health Issue No Ones Talking About.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/5gkep5/dry-sex-is-the-african-sexual-health-issue-no-ones-talking-about
Cultural practices contributing to the transmission of human immunodeficiency virus in Africa.
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/hrdy1/
Now, in America, the higher incidence of HIV transmission among elected male Repubs has more to do with the outcome of their wide-stance foot tapping communication with other Repub-curious men in toilet stalls.
Elvis 2008
02-23-23, 01:27
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech.My God, you are dumb. I presume you travelled abroad. Did Congress pass a law requiring you to have a Covid test when you re-entered the country? No, the executive branch made said law via a CDC recommendation. And BTW, the CDC IS a PRIVATE enterprise. Whoops.
And how about Obamacare? Oh yeah, you were required by law to purchase insurance from a PRIVATE company. Whoops.
And what body made abortion legal? Oh yeah, that would be the Supreme Court not Congress.
So the whole part about Congress making the laws has been relegated to the dust bin. So let us look at it the correct way, the parties that make and enforce laws cannot abridge freedom of speech.
Is that what happened? Damn right it did. You must be one of these dumb libs with your heads buried in the sand and have never heard of the Twitter files. A whole host of government agencies with law making and law enforcement authority were telling Twitter to shut down accounts and by far the overwhelming majority of requests were made against conservative voices.
Now let us go the other way. Twitter bans thousands of conservative accounts because of the executive branch request. Do you libs stay consistent in your views? Hell no.
A baker refused to make a cake for a gay couple, and the case went all the way to the Supreme Court. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/narrow-ruling-supreme-court-gives-victory-baker-who-refused-make-n872946.
Colorado courts ruled that the state's public accommodation law, which bans discrimination by companies offering their services to the public, did not allow Phillips to refuse the gay couple's request.
Wow, so private companies cannot do whatever they want, and you are totally wrong, Checkmate.
So WTF are you saying Checkmate? Are you saying that 50 states have laws that legally allow for political discrimination by Twitter, Facebook, and other social media outlets? I would like to see said laws or are you just blowing smoke out of your ass?
Studies showed the rate of transmission for heterosexual transmission was one in half a million to zero. So now Xpartan is creating a straw man (I wish you guys would not quote him LOL). I said when the rates of transmission are that low guys should not worry about HIV now with normal sex, especially given its current prognosis. In making that statement, Xpartan has no clue with regards to the prognosis with HIV, no clue what the rate of latex allergies is, and no clue as to how quickly a latex allergy can take your life. But he swears he is on a mission of safety when the truth is he is an uneducated dumb ass who puts people at greater health risk if he is listened to. Unsurprisingly, he swallowed up all the government's Covid crap too.
Using condoms for pregnancy prevention is rational. Using condoms for HIV protection is just stupid if you really know what the risks and benefits are. Again, we all know nothing is likely to happen with condom use, but latex allergies are surprisingly common and cause itching and rashes. And in some people, you can go from a rash to full blown anaphylaxis with each subsequent use of a condom.
It is covered in the article I linked. If you read the article I linked, granted it is long, the testing in Africa for HIV is shit, the data in various countries is so poor to the point of not being believed, and like with Covid, many deaths were shoved into the AIDS category.
The author thought people in the coffin business would be booming with the AIDS "epidemic" when in fact they were going out of business. He went to what was called ground zero for AIDS expecting to see a ghost town and saw a city where the population nearly doubled. He then looked into the business of death and thought it would be pristine and it was just as corrupt as any other enterprise.
And who was the lead actor in promoting the AIDS "epidemic"? That fucker Fauci. AIDS is real and so is Covid, but that self serving mother fucker massively exaggerated the risks of both for his own fame and financial benefit.Exaggerated? Come again?
2 million people died in 2004 and 2005. In just 2 years. 2 million!
Exaggerated?
https://ourworldindata.org/hiv-aids#text=The%20 number%20 of%20 AIDS%2 Drelated, well%20 and%20 was%20 since%20 halved.
What's your threshold of dead people to call it an epidemic without quotation marks?
If Fauci and other heroic epidemiologists didn't raise awareness about AIDS (which nobody gave two fucks about because they believed it was a minority and lifestyle thing), the deaths would've been in tens million today.
What does it mean to call someone a quack?
disapproving. a person who dishonestly pretends to have medical skills or knowledge.
Sub-Sahara African sexual customs and culture includes blood-letting rituals, cutting, stitching, ripping and dry sex behaviors unlike anywhere else on Earth. So much so that condoms scarcely survive the challenges even when they are worn.
Blaming "poverty" and "lack of condoms" for the almost singularly high incidence of female-to-male HIV transmission and back to female transmission in Sub-Saharan Africa ignores what many of those cultures promote sexually that, combined, will rarely if ever occur anywhere else on the planet.
I assure you it is not what happens in Thailand or any other mongering destination I have ever been.
Penis-vagina sex under conditions that exist all too often in Sub-Saharan Africa, even if using a condom, is probably more abrasive, more apt to rip and tear delicate genital skin of the pitcher and the catcher and involve more blood mixing that will directly enter the bloodstream than the way bareback anal sex is performed under ordinary and common conditions elsewhere:
'Dry Sex' Is the African Sexual Health Issue No Ones Talking About.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/5gkep5/dry-sex-is-the-african-sexual-health-issue-no-ones-talking-about
Cultural practices contributing to the transmission of human immunodeficiency virus in Africa.
http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/HIV/hrdy1/
Now, in America, the higher incidence of HIV transmission among elected male Repubs has more to do with the outcome of their wide-stance foot tapping communication with other Repub-curious men in toilet stalls.Fascinating Tooms, thanks. I haven't read this paper yet, although I probably will, along with yours:
https://journals.lww.com/aidsonline/fulltext/2007/11007/HIV_infection_does_not_disproportionately_affect.3.aspx
It's titled "HIV infection does not disproportionately affect the poorer in sub-Saharan Africa," but that's somewhat misleading. Actually they're saying within certain African countries, the wealthiest quintiles have a higher prevalence of HIV than the poorer quintiles. This fits not only with what you said, but also with JustTK's comment, that HIV is disproportionately spread by miners and heads of polygamous families. They would be wealthier than your average Africans.
My uninformed belief is that all who commented had excellent points. Poverty and condom availability play a part, along with the other factors you and Chris brought up.
Sincerely,
Excellent Points Tiny.
Maryland as a whole has good educational results. Yet the data I presented shows that Baltimore city, not Maryland, has the fourth highest spending per student in public schools of any area in the country.
So the part of Maryland whose schools receive the highest funding per student also have the worst results (23 schools without a single student testing to his age level proficiency in math, and I believe another 20 or so in which only 1 or 2 students in the entire school did so).
Funding is already distributed far more generously to Baltimore city than the rest of Maryland, which debunks the usual leftist canard, but educational results are far worse in this heavily democrat-controlled area despite this extra funding. Why do you think that is?Once again, just because a states educational system is well funded, doesn't mean that it's allocated fairly, equitably or reasonably to facilitate all districts, according to those with the greatest needs.
That said, the Baltimore 1st Grade kids, within the state of Maryland's educational system, do seem to go on to achieve better academic results in their high school and post secondary schooling. The funding is justified, due to the higher number of students graduating at the higher levels of schooling. It's not how you start your schooling, it's how you finish your schooling.
Now if we can only do something about the theft, misappropriation and miss-allocation of educational funds and welfare aid / funds, in a state like Mississippi, that continually rank at the bottom of the country in corruption, poverty and education.
4 Interesting Facts about Education in Mississippi: "Mississippi legislators have ignored a state law and spend $1.5 billion less on education than what is required; the cuts in the state are the deepest in the country"
https://www.theedadvocate.org/4-interesting-facts-about-education-in-mississippi/
Further to the recent discussion on illiteracy and education, ... BTW, do you have a corresponding webpage for the attached chart? Didn't see one on the Foxy Muse website.
CheckMate1
02-23-23, 19:54
My God, you are dumb. I presume you travelled abroad. Did Congress pass a law requiring you to have a Covid test when you re-entered the country? No, the executive branch made said law via a CDC recommendation. And BTW, the CDC IS a PRIVATE enterprise. Whoops.
And how about Obamacare? Oh yeah, you were required by law to purchase insurance from a PRIVATE company. Whoops.
And what body made abortion legal? Oh yeah, that would be the Supreme Court not Congress.
So the whole part about Congress making the laws has been relegated to the dust bin. So let us look at it the correct way, the parties that make and enforce laws cannot abridge freedom of speech.
Is that what happened? Damn right it did. You must be one of these dumb libs with your heads buried in the sand and have never heard of the Twitter files. A whole host of government agencies with law making and law enforcement authority were telling Twitter to shut down accounts and by far the overwhelming majority of requests were made against conservative voices.
Now let us go the other way. Twitter bans thousands of conservative accounts because of the executive branch request. Do you libs stay consistent in your views? Hell no.
A baker refused to make a cake for a gay couple, and the case went all the way to the Supreme Court. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/narrow-ruling-supreme-court-gives-victory-baker-who-refused-make-n872946.
Colorado courts ruled that the state's public accommodation law, which bans discrimination by companies offering their services to the public, did not allow Phillips to refuse the gay couple's request.
Wow, so private companies cannot do whatever they want, and you are totally wrong, Checkmate.
So WTF are you saying Checkmate? Are you saying that 50 states have laws that legally allow for political discrimination by Twitter, Facebook, and other social media outlets? I would like to see said laws or are you just blowing smoke out of your ass?1. Covid testing. Any sovereign country can make rules on entering the country as they wish. Executive branch is in charge of this aspect. Non sequitor (1st Amendment -free speech).
2. Obamacare. People, organizations and states have brought lawsuits all the way up to the supreme court. They have ruled on these. Some aspects have been changed to accomomdate. The law has not been ruled unconstitutional. Non sequitor (1st Amendment. Free speech); incidentally, you don't have to buy health insurance if you don't want to, you'll be "taxed" when you file your taxes.
3. Twitter. Executive branch can request anything of corporation, it is up to the corporation to ban or not. Your complaint should be toward Twitter. Non sequitor (1st Amendment).
4. Abortion. Row V Wade was ajudicated in 1973 using the 14th amendment as argument (as an aside, as a man, I believe women should be the ones who should write the law in which would govern how they want to proceed with the subject of abortion) Non sequitor (1st Amendment).
5. Baker. Colorado - You wrote this backward in term of timeline. The baker brought the suit against Colorado because he felt it violated his 1st Amendment right afforded to him, it went to the Supreme Court and they agreed 7-2.
US constitution and state laws can vary. When it does, a person or organization can address their grievances through the court system. States make laws that are challenged in court all the time.
6. Most law regarding discrimation is based on these familiar categories, Sex, Age, Race, Religion. Some states choose to add to the list of which you can not discrimate.
Political Affiliation is not a category that is not a thing because it is easily changeable. For instance, I was a democrat years ago, and now I'm not.
I have NOT said corporations can do whatever they want. Within the parameters of the law is how these corporations will operate. When they are outside of the law, one can address it through the court system if they are / were harmed.
BTW. I literally copied and pasted what I put in quotations, in the last post, the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution. Yes, I plagiarized directly from the source.
Also don't label people you don't know.
Once again, just because a states educational system is well funded, doesn't mean that it's allocated fairly, equitably or reasonably to facilitate all districts, according to those with the greatest needs.
That said, the Baltimore 1st Grade kids, within the state of Maryland's educational system, do seem to go on to achieve better academic results in their high school and post secondary schooling. The funding is justified, due to the higher number of students graduating at the higher levels of schooling. It's not how you start your schooling, it's how you finish your schooling.
Now if we can only do something about the theft, misappropriation and miss-allocation of educational funds and welfare aid / funds, in a state like Mississippi, that continually rank at the bottom of the country in corruption, poverty and education.
4 Interesting Facts about Education in Mississippi: "Mississippi legislators have ignored a state law and spend $1.5 billion less on education than what is required; the cuts in the state are the deepest in the country"
https://www.theedadvocate.org/4-interesting-facts-about-education-in-mississippi/ Why pick on Mississippi? The illiteracy rate, based on the National Assessment of Adult Literacy, is highest in California (23.1%) and New York (22.1%). Mississippi is in 9th place, where 16% of "American adults age 16 and over lack basic prose literacy skills defined as ranging from being fully unable to read to only being able to understand short, commonplace text in English, but nothing more advanced." And Mississippi's a small place. If you multiply the illiteracy rate by population, there are 9.1 million illiterates in California, and 4.3 million in New York. There are only 480,000 in Mississippi.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/us-literacy-rates-by-state
BTW, do you have a corresponding webpage for the attached chart? Didn't see one on the Foxy Muse website.Come on Spidy. It's obviously from the USA Government's web site. That's easy to figure out by looking at the figure.
https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/2018/comm/school-finances.pdf
Yes, Chris posted numbers from the Census Bureau's site, presumably so you couldn't complain that it's biased, like thirdway.org, theintercept.com, theguardian.com and the other sources you guys favor.
No, China's #1 trading partner in 1966 was Japan. Suffice to say I don't agree with anything you say, and I haven't the time to go thru and address each one of your Gish Gallop. Striaght out, the first thing you wrote is a non-sequitor. Every country in the world has a no 1 trading partner. It says absolutely zero about whether a country is banished from / throttled in the world economic community or not. Even if a country sold 1 rubber duck to another country, it would have a nr 1 trade partner. Total nonsense from the getgo Elvis.
You complain about censorship and President Trump did exactly that. He or someone in his administration asked Twitter to remove a post he didn't like.
Dear God you are a cretin. Asking someone to remove a post, and doing nothing when they refuse, is not censorship.
Censorship is when you forcibly remove a post or prevent someone from publishing something. Like the left did with the Biden crime family laptop corruption scandal, and much more besides.
Just for once in your simple, CNN-watching, public miseducation-brainwashed life, try and engage what few gray cells you possess behind your dull cow eyes.
Once again, just because a states educational system is well funded, doesn't mean that it's allocated fairly, We don't know how well funded Maryland is. It may be underfunded. But democrat-voting Baltimore city is massively well funded: it has the third highest spending per student of all school districts in the entire country.
Despite that, Baltimore city has 23 schools with not a single student at age-level math proficiency, and 20 or so more with only 1 or 2 students at that level.
That is absolutely glaring, and no leftist is able to explain it.
We don't know how well funded Maryland is. It may be underfunded. But democrat-voting Baltimore city is massively well funded: it has the third highest spending per student of all school districts in the entire country.
Despite that, Baltimore city has 23 schools with not a single student at age-level math proficiency, and 20 or so more with only 1 or 2 students at that level.
That is absolutely glaring, and no leftist is able to explain it.Trump's Pandemic set back scores all around the country, probably all around the world. It has nothing to do with "Dem run" anything.
It turns out if a so-called "World Leader" is so bad at math he can't tell the difference in Inauguration crowd sizes even with photographic proof, can't figure out that a million fewer jobs created with his $2. 5+ Trillion deficit-spending economic "stimulus" legislation than without it was a huge waste of money, can't calculate that subtracting 5 months of Pandemic Prevention and Response monitoring and reporting from 2 months being plenty of time to prevent a Worldwide Mass Murdering, Economy and Supply Chain-destroying Pandemic from emerging after initial cases were detected equals "Your Pandemic", can't figure out that getting 7 million fewer votes, that 232 Electoral College votes is fewer than 306 and that 65 lost court cases means the election was not stolen from him, etc etc etc, then America's most dangerous math problems were not in our schools but in the White House from January 2017 to January 2021.
Reading and math test scores fell across US during the pandemic. How did your state fare?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2022/10/24/naep-report-card-test-scores-reading-math/10552407002/
Largest score declines in NAEP mathematics at grades 4 and 8 since initial assessments in 1990
https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/highlights/mathematics/2022/
American Students Have a Math Problem
https://www.statista.com/chart/28532/math-proficiency-among-us-students/
Why pick on Mississippi? Do you mean the theft, misappropriation and miss-allocation of educational funds and welfare aid / funds, in a state like Mississippi, that continually rank at the bottom of the country in corruption, poverty and education.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/us-literacy-rates-by-state ? The illiteracy rate, based on the National Assessment of Adult Literacy, is highest in California (23.1%) and New York (22.1%). Mississippi is in 9th place, ... What are you talking about? The link you provide, has Mississippi, Louisiana and Nevada at the bottom of the literacy rate table, with 84%, 84% and 83.9%, respectfully. Check the tab, that shows the "bottom" of the literacy rate table, in your link.
The results from your link, is very much in-line with the results, from a previous " illiteracy table" I provided, that uses a few other metrics, but mirrors the same results w/r to red states commonly at the bottom. No bias here, just the data. See the following link.
Illiteracy Rate by State
https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/illiteracy-rate-by-state/
Your link of "literacy rates" is only showing the reciprocal of what I already showed you, with illiteracy rates, but using slightly different metrics.
Come on Spidy. It's obviously from the USA Government's web site. That's easy to figure out by looking at the figure.
https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/2018/comm/school-finances.pdfYeah, that's not what I asked for. I asked if there was a webpage, associated with the chart. Meaning a page that had text associated with the chart. Got it?
Despite that, Baltimore city has 23 schools with not a single student at age-level math proficiency, and 20 or so more with only 1 or 2 students at that level.
That is absolutely glaring, and no leftist is able to explain it.Glaring as it maybe, it's only 1st grade students, don't over think it.
Like I said, it's not how you start your schooling, it's how you finish your schooling. The state has some of the best great graduation rates, in the country.
Which is greater, 10+ significant and now revered legislation proposed, fought for and passed when Dems held the WH and the majority in both houses of Congress or 0 by Repubs when they had the same advantage?
Every Great Repub Depression / Recession and Massive Job Losses of the past 100 years minus none of the Great Recoveries, Economic Expansions and Job Gains = ?
81,000,000 votes vs 74,000,000 votes + 306 EC votes vs 232 EC votes + 65 lost court case challenges and no wins = ?
5 months with no Pandemic Prevention and Response minitoring and reporting minus a 2 month heads up to avert a Pandemic and all of the deaths and economic destruction that followed = ?
Do you mean the theft, misappropriation and miss-allocation of educational funds and welfare aid / funds, in a state like Mississippi, that continually rank at the bottom of the country in corruption, poverty and education.
What are you talking about? The link you provide has Mississippi, Louisiana and Nevada at the bottom of the literacy rate table, with 84%, 84% and 83.9%, respectfully. Check the tab, that shows the "bottom" of the literacy rate table, in your link.
The results from your link, is very much in-line with the results, from a previous " illiteracy table" I provided, that uses a few other metrics, but mirrors the same results w / are to red states common at the bottom. No bias here, just the data. See the following link.
https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/illiteracy-rate-by-state/
Your link of "literacy rates" only showing the reciprocal of what I already showed you, with illiteracy rates.SPIDY, my goodness, you think that 84% of the population in Mississippi, Louisiana and Nevada is illiterate? No wonder you insist on calling Nevada a swing state instead of a blue state. Those numbers are the % of the population exhibiting "basic prose literacy skills." Or what World Population Review is calling the "literacy rate." Subtract the literacy rate from 100% to get the % of the population that's illiterate, defined, again, as the % of "American adults age 16 and over (that) lack basic prose literacy skills defined as ranging from being fully unable to read to only being able to understand short, commonplace text in English, but nothing more advanced." California and New York are at the top of the list, with only 76.9% and 77.9% respectively exhibiting basic prose literacy skills. Nevada, New Mexico, and Louisiana are in 8th through 10th places.
Btw, "Reciprocal" doesn't mean what you think it does.
Also, when you say that red states are common at the bottom of the wisevoter list, yeah, you're right. Iowa, Utah, Wyoming, North Dakota, Montana, and Alaska are all in the bottom 10, of the LEAST illiterate states, according to wisevoter.
Yeah, that's not what I asked for. I asked if there was a webpage, associated with the chart. Meaning a page that had text associated with the chart. Got it?Why? If you Google " Top 10 Largest School Districts by Per Pupil Current Spending", that's the first thing that comes up. But if you follow the link on the chart, it will take you here.
https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/school-finances.html
Glaring as it maybe, it's only 1st grade students, don't over think it.
Like I said, it's not how you start your schooling, it's how you finish your schooling. The state has some of the best great graduation rates, in the country.I don't believe that's correct. From memory, I think that included elementary, middle and high schools. However I'm too lazy to look it up. Maybe you could do me the favor of providing something that says it's only 1st grade students, since I dug up links for Chris' chart.
As to your defense of Maryland and the Baltimore school system, which you make solely because they're blue, Chris is right. Maryland is probably in the top 5 in the nation in advanced degrees and income per capita, because of all the high level, highly paid employees of the federal government, government contractors, and lobbyists and think tanks and the like. Yet still many of the schools are a laughingstock.
SPIDY, my goodness, you think that 84% of the population in Mississippi, Louisiana and Nevada is illiterate? No wonder you insist on calling Nevada a swing state instead of a blue state. Those numbers are the % of the population exhibiting "basic prose literacy skills." Or what World Population Review is calling the "literacy rate." Subtract the literacy rate from 100% to get the % of the population that's illiterate, defined, again, as the % of "American adults age 16 and over (that) lack basic prose literacy skills defined as ranging from being fully unable to read to only being able to understand short, commonplace text in English, but nothing more advanced." California and New York are at the top of the list, with only 76.9% and 77.9% respectively exhibiting basic prose literacy skills. Nevada, New Mexico, and Louisiana are in 8th through 10th places. My goodness indeed...kkkk! It that your fancy way off saying I don't know what top and bottom of the illiteracy and literacy rate tables look like.
Spin it any way you want. I think most people know what the bottom and top of a chart looks like, never mind the percentages you care to spin.
Red states like Mississippi and Louisiana are commonly at the bottom illiteracy and literacy rate tables. Period.
My goodness indeed...kkkk! It that your fancy way off saying I don't know what top and bottom of the illiteracy and literacy rate tables look like. Exactly.
I think most people know what the bottom and top of a chart looks like, never mind the percentages you care to spin.
Yes, that's correct too.
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Also don't label people you don't know.That's literally his thing.
Don't worry though, if enviably, he ends-up calling you the "D-bag" word insult. You won't be the first and you probably won't be last.
Why? If you Google " Top 10 Largest School Districts by Per Pupil Current Spending", that's the first thing that comes up. But if you follow the link on the chart, it will take you here.
https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/school-finances.htmlThat's better...much appreciated!
Foxy Muse, shows its real colors, as damning emails reveals, from the Dominion Voting Systems law suit court filing, that they once again, are nothing more than the sham and fraudulent news media, we've also known them to be. One without an once of any type of journalistic integrity.
The emails show, that behind closed doors, between executives and their big on-air-pundits, that no matter what, they continue to perpetrate "the Big Lie" and the fake MAGA election claims, that was inevitably more appealing to their ratings and bottom line, than it was to tell the nation, the truth.
Naturally, it wasn't very hard to sell to the gullible masses of QAnon\Repubs\MAGA insurrectionist supporters on the right, as they bought "the Big Lie" ...hook, line and sinker.
"Incredibly damning": Legal experts say Dominion already has "staggering" evidence against Fox
https://www.salon.com/2023/02/23/incredibly-damning-legal-experts-say-dominion-already-has-staggering-evidence-against-fox/
That's Foxy Muse, they will always chose lies for the sake of ratings over the truth, every time. I think one politician said it best (or facsimile), "Fox News is nothing more than a state own media company, an extension of the Republican party" (Note: This was while or since Trump took office).
Glaring as it maybe, it's only 1st grade students, don't over think it.
Like I said, it's not how you start your schooling, it's how you finish your schooling. The state has some of the best great graduation rates, in the country.No, it is not only first graders.
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/23-baltimore-schools-with-0-students-proficient-in-math-yet-md-ranks-top-2-in-new-study
"Among the list of 23 schools, there are 10 high schools, eight elementary schools, three Middle / High schools and two Elementary / Middle schools. And it's important to note, another 20 Baltimore City Schools had just one or two students test proficient in math. ".
Also, why are you talking about Maryland's state graduation rates? This is about Baltimore city.
Democrat-controlled Baltimore city public education receives far higher funding per student than the rest of Maryland (the third highest of any district in the entire country) and yet its results are terrible as we can see.
Again, now that your usual leftist canard of "muh funding" has been proven false, how do you explain this?
Dear God you are a cretin. Asking someone to remove a post, and doing nothing when they refuse, is not censorship.
Censorship is when you forcibly remove a post or prevent someone from publishing something. Like the left did with the Biden crime family laptop corruption scandal, and much more besides.
Just for once in your simple, CNN-watching, public miseducation-brainwashed life, try and engage what few gray cells you possess behind your dull cow eyes.No definition of censorship includes the words forcible. That is something you came up with in your warped homophopic, xenophobic and misogynistic mind. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/censorship or https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/censorship.
But this is very typical of MAGAworld. So much so that Twitter started keeping a database of requests https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-trump-twitter-files-collusion-biden-censorship-1234675969/ I wish the above article would have detailed how many requests came from Donnie the Dumbass' administration and how many came from President Biden's administration.
And speaking of "misinformation", more Repugs are suspended from Twitter than Democrats because they spread more BULLSHIT. https://www.newsnationnow.com/business/tech/is-twitter-really-biased-this-study-takes-a-look/ But this isn't surprising because most of them believe more bullshit.
Foxy Muse, shows its real colors, as damning emails reveals, from the Dominion Voting Systems law suit court filing, that they once again, are nothing more than the sham and fraudulent news media, we've also known them to be. One without an once of any type of journalistic integrity.
The emails show, that behind closed doors, between executives and their big on-air-pundits, that no matter what, they continue to perpetrate "the Big Lie" and the fake MAGA election claims, that was inevitably more appealing to their ratings and bottom line, than it was to tell the nation, the truth.
Naturally, it wasn't very hard to sell to the gullible masses of QAnon\Repubs\MAGA insurrectionist supporters on the right, as they bought "the Big Lie" ...hook, line and sinker.
"Incredibly damning": Legal experts say Dominion already has "staggering" evidence against Fox
https://www.salon.com/2023/02/23/incredibly-damning-legal-experts-say-dominion-already-has-staggering-evidence-against-fox/
That's Foxy Muse, they will always chose lies for the sake of ratings over the truth, every time. I think one politician said it best (or facsimile), "Fox News is nothing more than a state own media company, an extension of the Republican party" (Note: This was while or since Trump took office).What the moron brigade will do is say that this is all "fake news". That's why it is so easy to be a Repub. If something doesn't conform to your warped worldview, you just scream LŰGENPRESSE at the top of your lungs and the rest of the moron brigade just nods.
Foxy News and "the big lie" finally bit them in the ass?
Foxy Muse, shows its real colors, as damning emails reveals, from the Dominion Voting Systems law suit court filing, that they once again, are nothing more than the sham and fraudulent news media, we've also known them to be. One without an once of any type of journalistic integrity.
The emails show, that behind closed doors, between executives and their big on-air-pundits, that no matter what, they continue to perpetrate "the Big Lie" and the fake MAGA election claims, that was inevitably more appealing to their ratings and bottom line, than it was to tell the nation, the truth.
Naturally, it wasn't very hard to sell to the gullible masses of QAnon\Repubs\MAGA insurrectionist supporters on the right, as they bought "the Big Lie" ...hook, line and sinker.
"Incredibly damning": Legal experts say Dominion already has "staggering" evidence against Fox
https://www.salon.com/2023/02/23/incredibly-damning-legal-experts-say-dominion-already-has-staggering-evidence-against-fox/
That's Foxy Muse, they will always chose lies for the sake of ratings over the truth, every time. I think one politician said it best (or facsimile), "Fox News is nothing more than a state own media company, an extension of the Republican party" (Note: This was while or since Trump took office).Seriously, folks; sleep well in the knowledge that every kid in Baltimore can tell you what the square root of 8 is inside of five seconds. That hurdle has been surmounted now and forever into the future with the help of that little calculator / selfie device stuffed in their hip pocket.
But if they're fed and believe the America-hating horse shit shoveled down the throats of Faux News viewers and most other winger sources viewers, the country is doomed.
Beijing4987
02-24-23, 22:21
Why the sudden interest in test scores in a particular city? Interest in a certain laptop computer or Hillary Klingon's server and emails waning? But wait. KKKarlson has gobs of videos of citizens strolling through Das Kapital. Not interested in classified documents roaming Willy Nilly or impending criminal indictments?
No definition of censorship includes the words forcible.Only the douchiest dem doofus would claim "censorship" for a tweet that wasn't taken down (and is probably still there today), but look the other way when the entire Twitter account of one of America's biggest newspapers is suspended in order to prevent them publicising the Biden crime family laptop story.
Why the sudden interest in test scores in a particular city?Do you have an explanation for them? None of your leftist buddies have come up with one.
Remember, the school district in question has the third highest spending per student in the country, so you can't revert to your usual weak fallback position.
My goodness indeed...kkkk! It that your fancy way off saying I don't know what top and bottom of the illiteracy and literacy rate tables look like.
Spin it any way you want. I think most people know what the bottom and top of a chart looks like, never mind the percentages you care to spin.
Red states like Mississippi and Louisiana are commonly at the bottom illiteracy and literacy rate tables. Period.I have already debunked this. The literacy rate correlates perfectly with the percentage of white people in the state. The over 90% white limousine liberal states like Vermont and New Hampshire obviously have higher literacy rates than places like Mississippi and Louisiana which are a third black.
The state that has got much worse (in literacy and everything else) is California, courtesy of decades of open borders.
Tooms' posts are so Dems good, Republicans bad, no one needs to read what he says. Every post is the same. He is like Bagdad Bob in the Iraq war.
I have this image of someone (definitely not Tooms, mods!) setting up a soapbox on a street in democrat San Francisco in democrat California to livestream one of his rants about how great the democrats are, and in the background a bunch of homeless junkies are lying strung out on the sidewalk. One of them wakes up, stumbles over and relieves himself on not-Tooms's shoes, but not-Tooms doesn't notice because the stink of human excrement is already so strong everywhere in the city.
Then as he continues with his Bagdad Bob speech ("the republicans are committing suicide in their tanks! When a bunch of thugs raid the Apple store behind him, and make off with tens of thousands of dollars of gear. There are a group of police outside but they do nothing, partly because the democrat mayor has ordered them not to risk criminals' wellbeing by chasing them, and partly because they don't want to be stabbed, shot, or George Floyded while defending themselves.
Instead the cops approach not-Tooms and arrest him for making a speech on public property without a permit. Not-Tooms protests that it is his First Amendment right, but they don't seem to know what the First Amendment is. As they handcuff him, not-Tooms slips on a patch of human shit and lands facefirst in the yellow river streaming down the street from the junkie who earlier pissed on his shoes.
As the cops pick him up and push him into the squad car, his last action is to scream "Long Live the Democrat Party!
the "D-bag" word Haha! Is "the the-word" the new "and-word"? Will leftist snowflakes be reduced to screeching, tearful meltdowns, trembling and rocking in a ball in the corner, if anyone says it in their vicinity?
What the moron brigade will do is say that this is all "fake news". That's why it is so easy to be a Repub. If something doesn't conform to your warped worldview, you just scream LŰGENPRESSE at the top of your lungs and the rest of the moron brigade just nods.
Seriously, folks; sleep well in the knowledge that every kid in Baltimore can tell you what the square root of 8 is inside of five seconds. That hurdle has been surmounted now and forever into the future with the help of that little calculator / selfie device stuffed in their hip pocket.
But if they're fed and believe the America-hating horse shit shoveled down the throats of Faux News viewers and most other winger sources viewers, the country is doomed.
More "lying press", from the Dominion Voting System (DVS) court filing emails and in an exchange of text/emails, between those at the top of Foxy Muse and their on-air star pundits, that think their Sh*t don't stink.
Tucker Carlson:
"Sidney Powell is lying by the way. I caught her. It's insane."
Laura Ingraham:
Sidney is a complete nut. No one will work with her. Ditto with Rudy {Giuliani}"
Tucker Carlson:
"It's unbelievably offensive to me. Our viewers are good people and they believe it."
Insane, lying, complete nut: How Fox News stars rejected Trumps election conspiracies while network pushed them
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-fox-news-dominion-voting-lawsuit-b2285051.html
In other instances Tucker Carlson, referred to Sidney Powell as a, "crazy person", "lunatic", "unguided missile", "dangerous as hell", "nutcase" and "poison". And in one text message to his producer (Alex Pfeiffer), even called her (Sidney Powell), an "F***ing b*****"
And even Sean Hannity, "...that whole narrative that Sidney was pushing, I did not believe it for one second."
But the bitter-sweet irony is...you then have to wonder, who's worst?
Is it:
a) Sidney Powell, the lying "F*ing b*****", nutjob conspirator, who thinks it was fraud by way of an Italian satellite DVS machine hack? Or;
b) Fucker Carlson, Laura "shut up and dribble" Ingraham and Sean Hannity, the lying "F*ing on-air hypocrites", who then takes those lies, falsehoods and misinformation, and knowingly, boldface spews and peddles it, to the (gullible) "good people" watching, FOX nation?
So, is it A or B?
Why the sudden interest in test scores in a particular city? Interest in a certain laptop computer or Hillary Klingon's server and emails waning? But wait. KKKarlson has gobs of videos of citizens strolling through Das Kapital. Not interested in classified documents roaming Willy Nilly or impending criminal indictments?
What's just as egregious, is Fucker Carlson, the on-air court jester of "Cancel Culture", when it comes to "owning" the libs, but not so much when it comes to himself.
In more bombshell emails and texts, he was caught and outed, in a Dominion Voting System (DVS) court filing emails, advocating and went as far as to demand, that the company fire a FOX reporter, who had the audacity to fact check a tweet from Trump, that falsely accused the DVS of fraudulent voting machines.
Tucker Carlson (in a text to Sean Hannity):
"Please get her fired.
Seriously...What the F***? I'm actually shocked...It needs to stop immediately, like tonight.
It's measurably hurting the company.
The stock price down.
Not a joke."
Under pressure from the top brass at FOX and fear of being fired, the FOX reporter the next morning, deleted her tweet.
Elvis 2008
02-25-23, 11:25
Checkmate, I am giving you one more chance and then I am done.
1. Covid testing. Any sovereign country can make rules on entering the country as they wish. Executive branch is in charge of this aspect. Non sequitor (1st Amendment -free speech).I am not talking about whether the executive branch has the right to make the law. They do. I think you are so dumb you do not even get what the first amendment is about.
Are the people who make the laws allowed to censor those parties that are critical of them? Yes or no. If you answer yes, we are done and you are a clueless moron.
Did that happen with Twitter? Did executive branch officials ask that Twitter censor individuals? Yes or no. If you answer no, you are VERY ill informed, and I am done with you.
US constitution and state laws can vary. When it does, a person or organization can address their grievances through the court system.The constitution varies? And who are those damaged supposed to sue? Federal officials have immunity, and Elon Musk has taken over and aired all the crap that the previous ownership did wrong. Suing the federal government and winning via Bivens lawsuit is nearly impossible and costly to boot and the former Twitter employees who engaged in censorship are gone.
Political Affiliation is not a category that is not a thing because it is easily changeable.Again, you do not know what you are talking about. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/09/16/texas-social-media-law/.
A Texas law prohibiting large social media companies from banning users' posts based on their political viewpoints will go into effect after a federal appeals court on Friday lifted a block placed on the statute.
NetChoice and the Computer & Communications Industry Association sued Texas after the law, known as House Bill 20, was passed last year, arguing that internet companies have a First Amendment right to curate content posted on their platforms and decide which types of speech they saw fit to be there.
In its ruling, the 5th USA Circuit Court of Appeals disagreed with the plaintiffs' argument that the law was unconstitutional, saying they were seeking protection to "muzzle free speech. ".
Today we reject the idea that corporations have a freewheeling First Amendment right to censor what people say," the ruling says.
The CCIA said the ruling forced tech companies to give equal treatment to all manners of speech, including extremist views.
I have NOT said corporations can do whatever they want. Within the parameters of the law is how these corporations will operate.
These are private businesses (not state owned) and can or can not publish whatever they wish, and are NOT related to First Amendment free speech protection.You are contradicting yourself here. You said they can do whatever they wanted. Then you said they can do whatever they want within the parameters of the law, but you just admitted that you do not even know what all the state laws are.
So why are you posting corporations can do whatever they want when you do not even know what the laws are that regulate them?
Also don't label people you don't know.And what am I supposed to think? You think it is okay that the bureaucrats and Twitter employees censored Republicans? And now you are saying you are a former Dem?
Come on man. You labeled yourself with that crap.
Elvis 2008
02-25-23, 11:38
Suffice to say I don't agree with anything you say, and I haven't the time to go thru and address each one of your Gish Gallop. Striaght out, the first thing you wrote is a non-sequitor. Every country in the world has a no 1 trading partner. It says absolutely zero about whether a country is banished from / throttled in the world economic community or not. Even if a country sold 1 rubber duck to another country, it would have a nr 1 trade partner. Total nonsense from the getgo Elvis.You said China was banished from the world economic community. I showed you it was not. I do not get what your problem is with the USA.
Venezuela is not poor because of the USA TK. You went there and said that very thing. Venezuela is poor because their leader Hugo Chavez said it was okay to steal. Period. And he did not just steal from the USA. He stole from Europe, Russia, and China. But you go there and you say it is all the USA.
You demonize the USA when Americans are working deals where we get rich and the country we visit gets rich too. That is what happened with me in Colombian and Chile. Argentina, Bolivia, and Venezuela ripped me off, and all their countries are in the shitter. If your say stealing is okay, in the long term, your country is going to get fucked.
Yes, Americans have fucked over third world countries, but in your imagination, you think they have not done the same or worse to us. Do you know how many Latin countries have defaulted on their debt and screwed people who lent them money? The USA has never defaulted on its debt ever. That should tell you something right?
Elvis 2008
02-25-23, 11:41
I have this image of someone (definitely not Tooms, mods!) setting up a soapbox on a street in democrat San Francisco in democrat California to livestream one of his rants about how great the democrats are, and in the background a bunch of homeless junkies are lying strung out on the sidewalk. One of them wakes up, stumbles over and relieves himself on not-Tooms's shoes, but not-Tooms doesn't notice because the stink of human excrement is already so strong everywhere in the city.
You know Tooms does not even live in the USA? He reads this biased left wing crap and then spews all this nonsense about how he knows what is best for a country he does not live in.
You know Tooms does not even live in the USA? He reads this biased left wing crap and then spews all this nonsense about how he knows what is best for a country he does not live in.You boys and girls have been making personal value judgements about Dems and Repubs with that "good" vs "bad" obsession of yours.
I rarely if ever use those words to describe any politician, much less entire political parties. But you boys and girls trot out those value judgements all the time.
Very telling.
See, I only point out the irrefutable historical facts regarding Dems passing the legislation I have listed under certain conditions, producing and presiding over every major recovery, economic expansion and historic job gains and none of the Great Depressions / Great Recessions and Massive Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years while Repubs have passed nothing of note under the same conditions, produced and presided over every Great Depression, Great Recession and Massive Job Losses, etc.
Yep, it seems historical data and the actual record of results for America is the same no matter where you verify and cite it. Even in a different country, it remains the same, totally unchanged by ones proximity to the unbiased record sources.
You seem to have concluded those Dem results are "good" and the Repub results are "bad."
Well, those are your value judgements based on the facts but I have never really expressed such a thing either way.
Ya' know: I Report, You Decide.
The big difference is, unlike Faux News, what I have reported for you to pass judgement on is true, I know it to be true and so do you and everyone else.
Interesting that most of you have decided "Dems good and Repubs bad" based solely on the data and actual record of results, definitely not based on me telling you which is which. LOL. Obviously, a lot of Repub voters think those Great Repub Depressions, Great Repub Recessions and Massive Repub Job Losses are "good" and keep voting for them and that those Great Dem Recoveries and Historic Job Gains are "bad."
Again, those are personal value judgements.
Only the douchiest dem doofus would claim "censorship" for a tweet that wasn't taken down (and is probably still there today), but look the other way when the entire Twitter account of one of America's biggest newspapers is suspended in order to prevent them publicising the Biden crime family laptop story.Only a Repub would call somebody a "douche" after complaining about name calling.
Only a Repub would say that Twitter blocking the NY Post for violating Twitter's "hacked materials policy" was wrong. "Twitter initially said the Post stories ran afoul of its "hacked materials" policy, as the Rupert Murdoch-owned paper claimed the source for its Biden exposés was info supplied by Trump personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, who allegedly obtained it from a MacBook Pro of unknown origin that had been abandoned in computer-repair shop in Delaware. " They had a policy and the NY Post violated it. You are upset that Twitter gave Repubs a big middle finger. https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/twitter-unblocks-new-york-post-hunter-biden-hacked-materials-1234820449/.
Having a discussion with a Repub is like playing chess with a pigeon. The pigeon just knocks all the pieces over. Then shits all over the board. Then struts around like it won.
CheckMate1
02-25-23, 19:07
Checkmate, I am giving you one more chance and then I am done.
I am not talking about whether the executive branch has the right to make the law. They do. I think you are so dumb you do not even get what the first amendment is about.
Are the people who make the laws allowed to censor those parties that are critical of them? Yes or no. If you answer yes, we are done and you are a clueless moron.
Did that happen with Twitter? Did executive branch officials ask that Twitter censor individuals? Yes or no. If you answer no, you are VERY ill informed, and I am done with you.
The constitution varies? And who are those damaged supposed to sue? Federal officials have immunity, and Elon Musk has taken over and aired all the crap that the previous ownership did wrong. Suing the federal government and winning via Bivens lawsuit is nearly impossible and costly to boot and the former Twitter employees who engaged in censorship are gone.
Again, you do not know what you are talking about. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/09/16/texas-social-media-law/.
A Texas law prohibiting large social media companies from banning users' posts based on their political viewpoints will go into effect after a federal appeals court on Friday lifted a block placed on the statute.
NetChoice and the Computer & Communications Industry Association sued Texas after the law, known as House Bill 20, was passed last year, arguing that internet companies have a First Amendment right to curate content posted on their platforms and decide which types of speech they saw fit to be there.
In its ruling, the 5th USA Circuit Court of Appeals disagreed with the plaintiffs' argument that the law was unconstitutional, saying they were seeking protection to "muzzle free speech. ".
Today we reject the idea that corporations have a freewheeling First Amendment right to censor what people say," the ruling says.
The CCIA said the ruling forced tech companies to give equal treatment to all manners of speech, including extremist views.
You are contradicting yourself here. You said they can do whatever they wanted. Then you said they can do whatever they want within the parameters of the law, but you just admitted that you do not even know what all the state laws are.
So why are you posting corporations can do whatever they want when you do not even know what the laws are that regulate them?
And what am I supposed to think? You think it is okay that the bureaucrats and Twitter employees censored Republicans? And now you are saying you are a former Dem?
Come on man. You labeled yourself with that crap.1. You should really read what you wrote. "Did executive branch officials ask that Twitter censor individuals?" Executive branch official ASKING is not the same as law making. (examples: Trump administration asked Twitter to take down Chrissy Teigen post, or Biden administration asked Twitter to take down posts) Executive branch doesn't make laws, they do, however make certain ruling based on what Congress have given them the power to do, ie. Enforce the borders as they see fit. This is how you get different enforcement codes (rules) from one administration to another.
"The ruling Friday from the 5th USA Circuit Court of Appeals likely means the case, which could have wide implications for online speech, will go before the USA Supreme Court again. " This is at the very top of the article below the headline.
You know how ISG deleted your post on 10-19-22 because you violated their policy. They can do that. Just as Twitter deleted a whole bunch of people who violated their terms of agreement. Then, Elon bought the Twitter, and changed the policy, which is his perogative. See how I don't jump up and down when policy changed, because it is not my property.
I wrote "US constitution and state laws can vary. " You read and replied, "The constitution varies?" As in Mr Phillips case, he sued the state through the Federal Court system.
You are correct that I do NOT know ALL the laws, in every state. I'm willing to bet you don't either. I can cite and comment on what the current laws that I know exist. Let's assume you've read more laws than me.
And it's funny that you asked "what am I supposed to think?"
You wrote this on 2-22-22, "Is that what happened? Damn right it did. You must be one of these dumb libs with your heads buried in the sand and have never heard of the Twitter files."
You do you. I can't help another grown man think.
I actually don't need you to give me chances on ISG forum. You have the right to express your opinions. If you choose not to interact with me or others, it's just a click away. But, I won't ever call you dumb, as you have expressed many times about me and others. This is a tactic usually employed by Bullies who want to be heard or get things his / her way.
Life is short, enoy it. Turn that frown upside down.
You said China was banished from the world economic community. I showed you it was not.
No, you showed me that China was slling rubber ducks to Japan. You gave a non-sequitor.
Venezuela is not poor because of the USA TK. You went there and said that very thing. Venezuela is poor because their leader Hugo Chavez said it was okay to steal. Period. And he did not just steal from the USA. He stole from Europe, Russia, and China. But you go there and you say it is all the USA.My opinion on Vnzla has nothing to do with my visit there. I formed my opinion based on economic and political evidence prior to that. I don't agree with you at all. Vnzla has been a poor country for the vast majority of its citizens since time immemorial. It has been run by rich and corrupt oligarchs since they discovered oil. They enriched themselves and were allowed to do it bcos they allowed the USA and other resource seeking countries to expropriate its oil. Whether Chavez did or did not steal money has not been proven and I doubt it would make any difference. It would hardly be a drop in the ocean compared to the hardship born by its people due to the murderous sanctions of the USA govt.
You demonize the USA when Americans are working deals where we get rich and the country we visit gets rich too.
Not at all. It would be great if that were ever true. I demonise the USA govt bcos it overthrows govts that will not allow the USA to exploit its resources, when it imposes puppet regimes that oppress the local people so that they can enrich themselves.
ChuchoLoco
02-25-23, 22:29
Checkmate, I am giving you one more chance and then I am done.
I am not talking about whether the executive branch has the right to make the law. They do. I think you are so dumb you do not even get what the first amendment is .The Executive Branch doe not make laws in the USA. That is the job of Congress, Senate and House of Representatives. The Executive may or may not sign it into law but does not make the laws. The President can issue Executive Orders but they are not law. The First Amendment is about the Government censorship or whatever you want to call it with regard to Free Speech and Religion and not what private entities may or may not do.
The First Amendment may protect your right to call someone dumb in public but does not prohibit a private entity such as ISG from not allowing such language. In this case ISG does not seem to care and allows it but that is their choice not the government's.
You know how ISG deleted your post on 10-19-22 because you violated their policy. They can do that. Just as Twitter deleted a whole bunch of people who violated their terms of agreement. The first difference is that in no way can ISG be considered "the public square". Its user base is far too small. Twitter, by contrast, is extremely widely used, and cited and seen even by people who don't have accounts. It is the online public square.
The second matter is that it was not just leftists working at Twitter who were censoring rightwing users (which would be bad enough). It was that they were doing so in collusion with the Washington alphabet agencies and leading democrats, aka the deep state / the swamp.
You know Tooms does not even live in the USA? He reads this biased left wing crap and then spews all this nonsense about how he knows what is best for a country he does not live in.Yeah, typical limousine liberal. Like all those shitlibs in nice, peaceful, prosperous, 95% white Vermont or Martha's Vineyard saying how much they support the illegals pouring across the southern border thousands of miles away.
But when some illegals were sent to Martha's Vineyard, they called in the army and had them dragged away within two days.
Do as I say, not as I do.
Only a Repub would say that Twitter blocking the NY Post for violating Twitter's "hacked materials policy" was wrong. He's actually admitting what I accused him of. He considers it "censorship" when a Chrissy Teigen tweet wasn't removed, but he doesn't consider it censorship when the entire account of the New York Post was suspended to protect Biden before the election.
This is the level of reality-denying delusion in which modern leftists exist. Men are women. The border is closed. Mail-in voting is the most secure form of election. It's censorship when nothing is removed, but it isn't censorship when a newspaper's account is banned.
Thanks for confirming what I said.
Math Proficiency Pop Quiz
Which is greater, 10+ significant and now revered legislation proposed, fought for and passed when Dems held the WH and the majority in both houses of Congress or 0 by Repubs when they had the same advantage?
Every Great Repub Depression / Recession and Massive Job Losses of the past 100 years minus none of the Great Recoveries, Economic Expansions and Job Gains = ?
81,000,000 votes vs 74,000,000 votes + 306 EC votes vs 232 EC votes + 65 lost court case challenges and no wins = ?
5 months with no Pandemic Prevention and Response minitoring and reporting minus a 2 month heads up to avert a Pandemic and all of the deaths and economic destruction that followed = ?
You boys and girls have been making personal value judgements about Dems and Repubs with that "good" vs "bad" obsession of yours.
I rarely if ever use those words to describe any politician, much less entire political parties. But you boys and girls trot out those value judgements all the time.
Very telling.
See, I only point out the irrefutable historical facts regarding Dems passing the legislation I have listed under certain conditions, producing and presiding over every major recovery, economic expansion and historic job gains and none of the Great Depressions / Great Recessions and Massive Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years while Repubs have passed nothing of note under the same conditions, produced and presided over every Great Depression, Great Recession and Massive Job Losses, etc.
Yep, it seems historical data and the actual record of results for America is the same no matter where you verify and cite it. Even in a different country, it remains the same, totally unchanged by ones proximity to the unbiased record sources.
You seem to have concluded those Dem results are "good" and the Repub results are "bad."
Well, those are your value judgements based on the facts but I have never really expressed such a thing either way.
Ya' know: I Report, You Decide.
The big difference is, unlike Faux News, what I have reported for you to pass judgement on is true, I know it to be true and so do you and everyone else.
Interesting that most of you have decided "Dems good and Repubs bad" based solely on the data and actual record of results, definitely not based on me telling you which is which. LOL. Obviously, a lot of Repub voters think those Great Repub Depressions, Great Repub Recessions and Massive Repub Job Losses are "good" and keep voting for them and that those Great Dem Recoveries and Historic Job Gains are "bad."
Again, those are personal value judgements.Picking up Democrat Math is pretty easy. You just have to remember one equation:
x=a
Where "a" is any real number, and "x" can only have two values, Democrat or Republican.
All you have to do is to remember that if "a" represents a good outcome, then "x" is "Democrat President." And if "a" is bad, then "x" is "Republican President".
In other words, "Democrat good, Republican Bad."
Let's take an example.
x = -2.3%, where -2. 3% is year-on-year GDP growth at 12/31/2020.
Well, the right answer is x=Republican President, because an annual decline of 2.3% in GDP is a bad outcome.
Now in reality, the value of GDP growth is a function of a lot of things. A more complicated and more correct way of putting this would be
x = f(x1, x2, x3, x4, x5...xn).
Where x1 =Fed policy.
x2 = the business cycle.
x3 = external events like pandemics.
x4 = growth or decline of the size of the labor force.
x5 = changes in productivity.
Etc.
Who's president usually has very little to do with GDP growth. But, if you're a Democratic politician (with some exceptions like Joe Manchin and formerly Kyrsten Sinema) or pundit, why bother the base with endless details? It's much easier to just think "Democrat Good, Republican Bad."
You might be able to blame a good part of the Great Depression on Republicans, and the subsequent recovery on Roosevelt et al throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the problem. I'm not sure as I'm not well read on that. But as to the other recessions and following recoveries you're fond of quoting, being the 1981-1983, 2008-2009, and 2020 downturns, your explanations fall flat. Some make absolutely no sense. For example, you claim Fed policy had little to do with the 1981-1983 recession. And instead put part of the blame on bipartisan, across-the-board tax cuts. Well, that's Keynesian economics ass backwards. Increasing government spending and lowering taxes are the ways out of a recession. And blaming the 2020 recession on Trump was laughable. When I pointed out that the USA Decline in GDP in the year ended 12/31/2020 was the lowest by far of the USA, Japan, Germany, France and the UK, someone here refused to believe the numbers. Why? Well, I think I explained it above, with the Democrat Equation, x=a.
I don't really give a rats ass what happened when Hoover and Roosevelt were president. I do know that developed countries with the smallest governments are the most prosperous. And I know that the Federal Government, unlike my state and local governments, is inefficient. Democrats want to grow the size of federal government faster than Republicans. Based on correlations between government expenditures and government revenues as a % of GDP by country, I'd expect USA GDP per capita to shrink 15% to 40% in the long term if Democrats get their way, that is, if total government expenditures as a % of GDP go from around 35% to 50% on a long term basis.
And as to the so-called revered legislation, my question is how many bills were proposed, fought for and passed when Republicans held the WH and the majority in both houses of Congress that increased our unfunded liabilities by tens of trillions of dollars. I can't think of any. I'm a Libertarian who wants the federal government out of my hair to the extent possible, so your boast just sounds stupid from my point of view.
CheckMate1
02-26-23, 02:27
The first difference is that in no way can ISG be considered "the public square". Its user base is far too small. Twitter, by contrast, is extremely widely used, and cited and seen even by people who don't have accounts. It is the online public square.
The second matter is that it was not just leftists working at Twitter who were censoring rightwing users (which would be bad enough). It was that they were doing so in collusion with the Washington alphabet agencies and leading democrats, aka the deep state / the swamp.A public square is not consider a public square if there are not enough people in the square. Is this correct? So the park by my house is not a public square because only a handful of people are there at anytime. Or if a Starbucks is fill beyond capacity because a bunch of Libs protest inside the store, and Starbucks can not have the police remove them because they have the pre-requisite number to be a public square despite it being a business that hold the public. "Public Square" argument in private property will never be a good argument.
My position is that a BUSINESS entity is entitled to write rules and enforce them as it pleases, so long as it does not harm people. Here's how you know you are not harmed, you can simply go to other social media sites and post the same thoughts you had on Twitter.
Example: you write a book that you think is amazing, and so does your friends, family and adoring fans, about how the democrats are destroying america. You take it to Simon & Shuster. They say, "no we don't want to publish this for you". This, by your definition, would be censorship. And I would agree with you about the characterization to some extent. But it is legal because it is a business that chooses what books to print in order to make money.
Take out "Simon & Shuster" and replace it with "Twitter".
Your rights are protected from government overreached and jailing you for saying or writing certain things. This too has its limits, but this has nothing to do with business choosing how to deal with their situation. The test is whether you are able to say or write the same exact thing somewhere else. And if you are able, you have no case in court.
Based on correlations between government expenditures and government revenues as a % of GDP by country, I'd expect USA GDP per capita to shrink 15% to 40% in the long term if Democrats get their way, that is, if total government expenditures as a % of GDP go from around 35% to 50% on a long term basis.That should have read "be 15% to 40% less than it would be otherwise" instead of "to shrink 15% to 40%."
Picking up Democrat Math is pretty easy. You just have to remember one equation:
x=a
Where "a" is any real number, and "x" can only have two values, Democrat or Republican.
All you have to do is to remember that if "a" represents a good outcome, then "x" is "Democrat President." And if "a" is bad, then "x" is "Republican President".
In other words, "Democrat good, Republican Bad."
Let's take an example.
x = -2.3%, where -2. 3% is year-on-year GDP growth at 12/31/2020.
Well, the right answer is x=Republican President, because an annual decline of 2.3% in GDP is a bad outcome.
Now in reality, the value of GDP growth is a function of a lot of things. A more complicated and more correct way of putting this would be
x = f(x1, x2, x3, x4, x5...xn).
Where x1 =Fed policy.
x2 = the business cycle.
x3 = external events like pandemics.
x4 = growth or decline of the size of the labor force.
x5 = changes in productivity.
Etc.
Who's president usually has very little to do with GDP growth. But, if you're a Democratic politician (with some exceptions like Joe Manchin and formerly Kyrsten Sinema) or pundit, why bother the base with endless details? It's much easier to just think "Democrat Good, Republican Bad."
You might be able to blame a good part of the Great Depression on Republicans, and the subsequent recovery on Roosevelt et al throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the problem. I'm not sure as I'm not well read on that. But as to the other recessions and following recoveries you're fond of quoting, being the 1981-1983, 2008-2009, and 2020 downturns, your explanations fall flat. Some make absolutely no sense. For example, you claim Fed policy had little to do with the 1981-1983 recession. And instead put part of the blame on bipartisan, across-the-board tax cuts. Well, that's Keynesian economics ass backwards. Increasing government spending and lowering taxes are the ways out of a recession. And blaming the 2020 recession on Trump was laughable. When I pointed out that the USA Decline in GDP in the year ended 12/31/2020 was the lowest by far of the USA, Japan, Germany, France and the UK, someone here refused to believe the numbers. Why? Well, I think I explained it above, with the Democrat Equation, x=a.
I don't really give a rats ass what happened when Hoover and Roosevelt were president. I do know that developed countries with the smallest governments are the most prosperous. And I know that the Federal Government, unlike my state and local governments, is inefficient. Democrats want to grow the size of federal government faster than Republicans. Based on correlations between government expenditures and government revenues as a % of GDP by country, I'd expect USA GDP per capita to shrink 15% to 40% in the long term if Democrats get their way, that is, if total government expenditures as a % of GDP go from around 35% to 50% on a long term basis.
And as to the so-called revered legislation, my question is how many bills were proposed, fought for and passed when Republicans held the WH and the majority in both houses of Congress that increased our unfunded liabilities by tens of trillions of dollars. I can't think of any. I'm a Libertarian who wants the federal government out of my hair to the extent possible, so your boast just sounds stupid from my point of view.Nope. You did not even earn a participation trophy with that pro Repub Bothsider / Neithersider Bizarro World reply to some of the most blatantly obvious and blissfully easy "math" questions that every kid in Baltimore would no doubt ace even without a free calculator app on their smartphone.
And that's a pity because those are the only kind of math questions that really matter now that free calculator apps are widely available and easy to download and install on our smartphones. Well, easy for kids in blue states at least. Luckily for kids in red states that most smartphones come with calculator apps pre-installed. Assuming there is a Dem family kid around to point it out to them, that is.
A public square is not consider a public square if there are not enough people in the square. Is this correct? So the park by my house is not a public square because only a handful of people are there at anytime. Or if a Starbucks is fill beyond capacity because a bunch of Libs protest inside the store, and Starbucks can not have the police remove them because they have the pre-requisite number to be a public square despite it being a business that hold the public. "Public Square" argument in private property will never be a good argument.
My position is that a BUSINESS entity is entitled to write rules and enforce them as it pleases, so long as it does not harm people. Here's how you know you are not harmed, you can simply go to other social media sites and post the same thoughts you had on Twitter.
Example: you write a book that you think is amazing, and so does your friends, family and adoring fans, about how the democrats are destroying america. You take it to Simon & Shuster. They say, "no we don't want to publish this for you". This, by your definition, would be censorship. And I would agree with you about the characterization to some extent. But it is legal because it is a business that chooses what books to print in order to make money.
Take out "Simon & Shuster" and replace it with "Twitter".
Your rights are protected from government overreached and jailing you for saying or writing certain things. This too has its limits, but this has nothing to do with business choosing how to deal with their situation. The test is whether you are able to say or write the same exact thing somewhere else. And if you are able, you have no case in court.This makes too much sense for Chrissie.
Chrissie is part of the cult that says government ought to stay out of a business' way, except when the business does something that Chrissie and her friends don't like. Then, of course, Chrissie believes that the government ought to step in and force the business to stop that they're doing. Of course, Chrissie and her fellow cultists don't see it that way.
He's actually admitting what I accused him of. He considers it "censorship" when a Chrissy Teigen tweet wasn't removed, but he doesn't consider it censorship when the entire account of the New York Post was suspended to protect Biden before the election.
This is the level of reality-denying delusion in which modern leftists exist. Men are women. The border is closed. Mail-in voting is the most secure form of election. It's censorship when nothing is removed, but it isn't censorship when a newspaper's account is banned.
Thanks for confirming what I said.Is Twitter a business? Yes. Does a business have the right to formulate their own policies? Yes they do. Does a business have the right to change their policies? Yes they do.
Therefore, in relation to your misguided worldview, Twitter does not have the right to formulate their own policies. How fucked up is that? Talk about a reality-defying delusion!
Elvis 2008
02-26-23, 18:55
The Executive Branch doe not make laws in the USA. That is the job of Congress, Senate and House of Representatives. The Executive may or may not sign it into law but does not make the laws. The President can issue Executive Orders but they are not lawAnd your point is what outside of semantics? So you think it is okay for a branch of government that makes law, excuse me regulations that have the full force of law, to engage in censorship?
The First Amendment is about the Government censorship or whatever you want to call it with regard to Free Speech and Religion and not what private entities may or may not do.Oh I see. So Twitter has a policy that is against disinformation, and government agencies lie to Twitter and said the Hunter Biden laptop story was Russian disinformation, and we know that there is no question these entitles lied and they knew they were lying, but that is not censorship because Twitter is a private company?
In other words, you are perfectly okay with government entities interfering in elections as long as they use a private company as the vehicle to do so.
And you expect us to believe this bullshit about the 2020 election being the fairest in history?
My position is that a BUSINESS entity is entitled to write rules and enforce them as it pleases, so long as it does not harm people. Here's how you know you are not harmed, you can simply go to other social media sites and post the same thoughts you had on Twitter.
Except that logic doesn't work when it is a private baker who declines to bake a cake promoting homosexual sodomy. Does it? Or a hotelier who declines to rent a room to two sodomites.
And the difference is that while the homosexuals can go to any other baker and get an equally good cake (they are well-funded activists who deliberately target Christians and others who do not follow The Agenda) there is no social media site with the reach of Twitter. Twitter is genuinely the public square.
Moreover, the deeper scandal is the collaboration between "muh private company" Twitter and organs of the Washington swamp / deep state. Govt alphabet agencies and the permanent bureaucracy working to censor and harm American citizens.
Yet again, we see that the Washington swamp alphabet agencies have grown monstrously out of control and must be disbanded.
ChuchoLoco
02-27-23, 04:36
And your point is what outside of semantics? So you think it is okay for a branch of government that makes law, excuse me regulations that have the full force of law, to engage in censorship?
Oh I see. So Twitter has a policy that is against disinformation, and government agencies lie to Twitter and said the Hunter Biden laptop story was Russian disinformation, and we know that there is no question these entitles lied and they knew they were lying, but that is not censorship because Twitter is a private company?
In other words, you are perfectly okay with government entities interfering in elections as long as they use a private company as the vehicle to do so.
And you expect us to believe this bullshit about the 2020 election being the fairest in history?No semantics just telling you who makes the laws in the USA. Three branches of government remember or don't you even know that? Where did I say anything about ok for censorship. Once again I was telling you how the government works. Like it or not, that's how it works. Three separate branches of government, each with different responsibilities. I am repeating to help it sink in to your head. You are only good at making up what you say others are saying or thinking.
Where did I say anything about 2020 election? Man, it's obvious you are delusional. Go argue with yourself. Let us know which one of your make believe identities wins.
Twitter and Hunter Biden, what does that have to do with who makes the laws? But since you brought it up and say we all know so and so lied. How do you know? Where's your proof? And once again, what does that have to do with who makes the laws. It's the Congress and not the executive branch aka the president. Do you understand that? That's all I was pointing out.
Elvis 2008
02-27-23, 06:59
Except that logic doesn't work when it is a private baker who declines to bake a cake promoting homosexual sodomy. Does it? Or a hotelier who declines to rent a room to two sodomites.
And the difference is that while the homosexuals can go to any other baker and get an equally good cake (they are well-funded activists who deliberately target Christians and others who do not follow The Agenda) there is no social media site with the reach of Twitter. Twitter is genuinely the public square.
Moreover, the deeper scandal is the collaboration between "muh private company" Twitter and organs of the Washington swamp / deep state. Govt alphabet agencies and the permanent bureaucracy working to censor and harm American citizens.
Yet again, we see that the Washington swamp alphabet agencies have grown monstrously out of control and must be disbanded.It is pretty obvious these lefties do not believe the alphabet agencies can be evil. All they care about is the belief that they are on their side.
Unlike the complete ass sucking douches at Twitter, Mark Zuckerberg admitted to Joe Rogan that the FBI came to him and said the Hunter Biden story was Russian disinformation and asked for his help to squash the story. Here is the problem: (a) Whoever imparts or conveys or causes to be imparted or conveyed false information, knowing the information to be false, concerning an attempt or alleged attempt being made or to be made, to do any act which would be a crime prohibited by this chapter or chapter 97 or chapter 111 of this title shall be subject to a civil penalty of not more than $1,000 which shall be recoverable in a civil action brought in the name of the United States.
So basically, the FBI implies to Zuckerberg he could be brought up on criminal charges if he does not take down the Hunter Biden story. Zuckerberg talks to his legal team, and he does not exactly take down the story but deemphasizes it. He went over how seriously Facebook takes its job with regards to what to ban and what not to and how much he pays for it and how many people are on this team.
He then asks Rogan, "Joe, what would you have done?" And Rogan was completely caught off guard and kind of mumbles out some gibberish. I could not believe it. I actually felt sorry for Mark Zuckerberg and so did Joe Rogan. Later on, Rogan said Zuckerberg had an impossible job, and he does.
So now we know the Democratic douche definition of censorship, and that is that it is completely legal to censor anything as long as it benefits the Democratic party.
What are we complaining about right? Zuckerberg made the decision, and the FBI was just there to help. And by helping, I mean the FBI was there to lie their asses off.
And your point is what outside of semantics? So you think it is okay for a branch of government that makes law, excuse me regulations that have the full force of law, to engage in censorship?
Oh I see. So Twitter has a policy that is against disinformation, and government agencies lie to Twitter and said the Hunter Biden laptop story was Russian disinformation, and we know that there is no question these entitles lied and they knew they were lying, but that is not censorship because Twitter is a private company?
In other words, you are perfectly okay with government entities interfering in elections as long as they use a private company as the vehicle to do so.
And you expect us to believe this bullshit about the 2020 election being the fairest in history?Wingers are the least informed dimwits on the planet. Yet well before the 2020 election every Winger had an idiotic notion in his or her otherwise empty skull that something evil about Joe Biden lurked somewhere inside his son's laptop next to the videos of his son smoking crack and getting a footjob from an Asian hooker.
And virtually everyone who was well-informed and therefore voted for Joe Biden knew all those Wingers were desperately grasping at straws with that BS in a vain attempt to salvage another losing election for their historic election-losing candidate whose only notable "win" was squeaking in on the pro Repub rigging built into the system back in 2016 despite losing the vote by millions.
Nobody needed Twitter to hear about that laptop idiocy. Twitter did not suppress or deny anyone anything regarding that crap re the election.
Hell, I almost never go on Twitter, knew that laptop bit was total crap and didn't even have the slightest interest in hearing about it. Yet I must have heard or read something about that nothingness in Mainstream Media and all over the Internet every waking hour of every day for months before the 2020 election AND the 2022 election. Just as I am sure I will see and hear about it until and likely beyond the 2024 election!
What the hell else is on the Redrawn Districts Pink Tinkle House Majority's platform and agenda for the next 21 months besides that and figuring out some new and unprecedented way to Crash the USA economy and Wipe Out millions of USA Jobs while hobbled in that sole Repub mission by not also having control of the White House or the Senate?
Nothing.
And your point is what outside of semantics? So you think it is okay for a branch of government that makes law, excuse me regulations that have the full force of law, to engage in censorship?
Oh I see. So Twitter has a policy that is against disinformation, and government agencies lie to Twitter and said the Hunter Biden laptop story was Russian disinformation, and we know that there is no question these entitles lied and they knew they were lying, but that is not censorship because Twitter is a private company?
In other words, you are perfectly okay with government entities interfering in elections as long as they use a private company as the vehicle to do so.
And you expect us to believe this bullshit about the 2020 election being the fairest in history?What horse puckey. Even Twitter folks said that Twitter did nothing wrong. "James Baker, a former lawyer for Twitter who also previously worked for the FBI, said he didn't act "as an agent or an operator of the government" while working for the social media company. Baker said the company's actions were "fully consistent with the First Amendment."
"I am aware of no unlawful collusion with, or direction from, any government agency or political campaign on how Twitter should have handled the Hunter Biden laptop situation," Baker told the panel. " https://news.bloomberglaw.com/tech-and-telecom-law/house-gop-opens-hunter-biden-probe-focusing-on-what-twitter-did.
The ONLY PEOPLE who have your fucked up worldview are people who think like you. You can rant all you want but the simple FACTS are that nobody lied. People "thought" that the Hunter Biden laptop issue WAS Russian disinformation because it had all of the hallmarks of Russian disinformation. And once more, the Repubs in Congress (because they have no taste for actually governing) will waste untold countless millions of dollars and untold countless person-hours (see the Durham investigation) going down the laptop rabbit-hole. They will come up empty, of course, but that won't stop Repubs to crow that they found something but that the "deep state" prevented them from making it public.
And, in response you your earlier rant about cake baking, even FUX Snooze reported that SCOTUS ruled FOR the baker. And that was in 2018, IIRC. So your once-again-fucked-up-logic is 4 years too late. Even though SCOTUS' decision was undoubtedly incorrect, at least according to Harvard Law. https://harvardcrcl.org/why-you-cant-sell-your-cake-and-control-it-too-distinguishing-use-from-design-in-masterpiece-cakeshop-v-colorado/.
And if the 2020 election was rife with fraud, as you and Donnie the Dumbass contend, show us the PROOF. Even Donnie's own people (like Billy Barr) said that it was all "bullshit". The 60+ lawsuits filed by Donnie the Dumbass' crackpot legal team never did allege fraud and every single one of those lawsuits were thrown out. Your next argument will be about standing but even the dumbest first-year law student knows that you can't file a lawsuit unless you can show, in your lawsuit, the EVIDENCE of injury. Evidence, by the way, that Donnie the Dumbass' crackpot team of legal geniuses failed to provide. Everybody knows, well everybody with a brain knows, that all of this election-fraud bullshit is just that.
CheckMate1
02-27-23, 17:43
Except that logic doesn't work when it is a private baker who declines to bake a cake promoting homosexual sodomy. Does it? Or a hotelier who declines to rent a room to two sodomites.
And the difference is that while the homosexuals can go to any other baker and get an equally good cake (they are well-funded activists who deliberately target Christians and others who do not follow The Agenda) there is no social media site with the reach of Twitter. Twitter is genuinely the public square.
Moreover, the deeper scandal is the collaboration between "muh private company" Twitter and organs of the Washington swamp / deep state. Govt alphabet agencies and the permanent bureaucracy working to censor and harm American citizens.
Yet again, we see that the Washington swamp alphabet agencies have grown monstrously out of control and must be disbanded.You forgot the other half. There have been plenty to bakers suing, some have proven in court that they were harmed, and some haven't. Well funded on both sides to take these grievences to court. Burden of proof in court is on the plantiff to prove that they have been harmed. Are they promoting sodomy if they bake a cake with the words, "Congratualtions" and two bride figurines? Remember, women can ge gay too.
As for the hotelier, does this hotel have rules posted that sodomy is not allowed. They can do that you know? It'll be pretty stupid because in order to enforce it, you have to have eyes in the room (s). No anal sex woupld apply to heterosexual couples as well, other wise this would beeeeeee, say it with me, discrimination. Yes, heteros have anal sex too. How odd that you are on ISG demonizing anal sex.
Your argument seems to always have boogie men and generalizations. What is the deep state? Which alphabet agencies are pulling the strings? Where ever you are getting the info, drill down on the answer a little bit. Typically, they will have some strange, broad statement without details so that your mind will imagine the rest of the story. George Soros and Charles Koch are private citizen with shitload of cash, they can support or go against anything they want, their perogative. Stories about them usually contain something like, "he's destroying america with his influence. " Usually, their influence is mainly to their own benefit, good on them.
Believe or not, I like conspiracy theories too. But for me they are entertainment until it becomes true, which happens every once in a very long while. And when it does 99.99999% of the time, it has no impact on my life.
Is Twitter a business? Yes. Does a business have the right to formulate their own policies? Yes they do. Does a business have the right to change their policies? Yes they do.
Therefore, in relation to your misguided worldview, Twitter does not have the right to formulate their own policies. How fucked up is that? Talk about a reality-defying delusion!Don't you know?
We're all about the rights of private businesses -- just not when we dislike their policies.
And of course, we're staunch defenders of states' rights -- except for those disgusting woke states we hate.
And hey, we're totally the party of law and order -- just not when cops are staying between us and the next term for Orange Entertainer. Then all bets are off.
It is pretty obvious these lefties do not believe the alphabet agencies can be evil. All they care about is the belief that they are on their side.
Unlike the complete ass sucking douches at Twitter, Mark Zuckerberg admitted to Joe Rogan that the FBI came to him and said the Hunter Biden story was Russian disinformation and asked for his help to squash the story. Here is the problem: (a) Whoever imparts or conveys or causes to be imparted or conveyed false information, knowing the information to be false, concerning an attempt or alleged attempt being made or to be made, to do any act which would be a crime prohibited by this chapter or chapter 97 or chapter 111 of this title shall be subject to a civil penalty of not more than $1,000 which shall be recoverable in a civil action brought in the name of the United States.
So basically, the FBI implies to Zuckerberg he could be brought up on criminal charges if he does not take down the Hunter Biden story. Zuckerberg talks to his legal team, and he does not exactly take down the story but deemphasizes it. He went over how seriously Facebook takes its job with regards to what to ban and what not to and how much he pays for it and how many people are on this team.
He then asks Rogan, "Joe, what would you have done?" And Rogan was completely caught off guard and kind of mumbles out some gibberish. I could not believe it. I actually felt sorry for Mark Zuckerberg and so did Joe Rogan. Later on, Rogan said Zuckerberg had an impossible job, and he does.
So now we know the Democratic douche definition of censorship, and that is that it is completely legal to censor anything as long as it benefits the Democratic party.
What are we complaining about right? Zuckerberg made the decision, and the FBI was just there to help. And by helping, I mean the FBI was there to lie their asses off.Yes, the corruption of the alphabet agencies / deep state / swamp has reached banana republic proportions. Openly intimidating and lying to media in order to protect the woke Agenda candidate in the election (which they still had to rig regardless).
Not that I really think Zuckerberg was too upset about any of it. He's a member of the tribe and on board with The Agenda; he's just trying to give himself and his failing website a big of credibility with the growing millions of people who are sick of the entire situation. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
Your second last point is the most salient one. It's legal to do whatever benefits the woke left democrats. 60 years ago, when America was sane and normal and not overrun with trannies, faggots, illegals and anti-white hate propaganda, they were all in on "free speech" (which basically meant pornography and other ways to undermine society). But of course now that they have succeeded in making these ideas mainstream (thanks largely to media ownership by people from Zuckerberg's tribe) they are all in on censorship to prevent people pointing out their lunatic inconsistencies and wrongheadedness.
Frankly, we need a complete reset and probably partition.
Even Twitter folks said that Twitter did nothing wrong. "James Baker, a former lawyer for Twitter who also previously worked for the FBI, said he didn't act "as an agent or an operator of the government" while working for the social media company. Baker said the company's actions were "fully consistent with the First Amendment."
Hahaha! The Twitter FBI agent said Twitter and the FBI did nothing wrong! Well that's OK then!
The funny thing is these douchey dem doofus leftists are so brainwashed and lacking in critical thinking skills they actually believe the previous sentence. We cannot maintain a free first world society with such people. Better to separate, let them create their communist utopia and watch from a distance how it ends up for them.
P.S. If you want to know the reality about Twitter, Elon Musk the new owner said that having spent months looking under the hood, pretty much every "conspiracy theory" about it turned out to be true.
You forgot the other half. There have been plenty to bakers suing, some have proven in court that they were harmed, and some haven't. Well funded on both sides to take these grievences to court. Burden of proof in court is on the plantiff to prove that they have been harmed. Are they promoting sodomy if they bake a cake with the words, "Congratualtions" and two bride figurines? Remember, women can ge gay too.
As for the hotelier, does this hotel have rules posted that sodomy is not allowed. They can do that you know? It'll be pretty stupid because in order to enforce it, you have to have eyes in the room (s). No anal sex woupld apply to heterosexual couples as well, other wise this would beeeeeee, say it with me, discrimination. Yes, heteros have anal sex too. How odd that you are on ISG demonizing anal sex.
Your argument seems to always have boogie men and generalizations. What is the deep state? Which alphabet agencies are pulling the strings? Where ever you are getting the info, drill down on the answer a little bit. Typically, they will have some strange, broad statement without details so that your mind will imagine the rest of the story. George Soros and Charles Koch are private citizen with shitload of cash, they can support or go against anything they want, their perogative. Stories about them usually contain something like, "he's destroying america with his influence. " Usually, their influence is mainly to their own benefit, good on them.
Believe or not, I like conspiracy theories too. But for me they are entertainment until it becomes true, which happens every once in a very long while. And when it does 99.99999% of the time, it has no impact on my life.Whether or not the bakers end up winning, the process is the punishment. They have to take huge amounts of time and money away from their business and their life and family to support their case. Even if they win, they don't get that time back, and they probably won't recoup all the costs to their lawyers. The plaintiffs lose nothing even if they lose the case: they are funded by Big Fag as part of the movement to destroy any opposition to the Globohomo Agenda.
As I've said, the alphabet agencies are the Washington law enforcement / intel agencies. They are a leading part of the swamp / deep state, along with leading democrat (and RINO) politicians, mainstream fake news media organizations, Big Tech, Wall Street, the Israel lobby, and the military-industrial complex.
They often work in conjunction against opponents of the woke Globohomo "Open Borders and Open Buttholes / Invade the world and invite the world" Agenda. For instance, when a movement they don't like arises such as the Tea Party a decade ago, the alphabet agencies open investigations and political persecutions of them (see the Lois Lerner scandal and the IRS targeting groups for political reasons). Meanwhile the mainstream fake news demonizes them, and Big Tech bans or shadowbans them. In certain cases, Wall Street debanks them (see Kanye West).
Simultaneously, while the Jews in the ADL and SPLC work with their cousins in the media and finance to attack the organization or individual, they use their links with democrat and RINO politicians on Capitol Hill (most of whom are funded by one deep state organization or another) to get legislation passed, or maybe to get a fake FBI "investigation" in which the majority of participants are FBI agents provocateurs as in the case of the Gretchen Whitmer "kidnap plot" or January 6.
It's a well-oiled machine, all to ensure that regular heritage Americans like those in East Palestine get completely screwed, disenfranchised, and ultimately replaced. $100 billion plus for Ukraine (read: Wall Street and the military-industrial complex), nothing for American victims of the chemical disaster. The faggot Transport Secretary Buttigieg wasn't even planning to visit until President Trump showed up to support Americans in need.
As for "conspiracy theories", as Elon Musk said a few months after buying and thoroughly investigating Twitter, pretty much every "conspiracy theory" about it turned out to be true. He should know.
Finally, call me old-fashioned but I never really saw the appeal of anal when there's a perfectly good pussy to fuck!
People "thought" that the Hunter Biden laptop issue WAS Russian disinformation Bullshit. The alphabet agencies knew perfectly well it was real. And yet they colluded with media and Big Tech to create the impression that it was not, in order to protect the woke globohomo Agenda candidate before an election (which they had to rig even after all the censorship: imagine the mammoth landslide victory Trump would have had without censorship or mail-in rigging).
And you expect us to believe this bullshit about the 2020 election being the fairest in history?Politics aside, you just need a modicum of intelligence and critical thinking ability to understand that mass mail-in voting is bullshit.
Which is more secure: an election in which people show up to vote in person with ID to verify their identity, on paper ballots which are held securely and counted under scrutiny from all parties on the night of the election?
Or hundreds of millions of ballots spammed out freely to every address in the country, "harvested" en masse from inner city ghettos, retirement homes and who knows where else by Soros- and Zuckerberg-funded democrat political operatives, and then republican scrutineers kicked out of the counting halls in democrat-run cities?
CheckMate1
02-28-23, 02:43
Whether or not the bakers end up winning, the process is the punishment. They have to take huge amounts of time and money away from their business and their life and family to support their case. Even if they win, they don't get that time back, and they probably won't recoup all the costs to their lawyers. The plaintiffs lose nothing even if they lose the case: they are funded by Big Fag as part of the movement to destroy any opposition to the Globohomo Agenda.
As I've said, the alphabet agencies are the Washington law enforcement / intel agencies. They are a leading part of the swamp / deep state, along with leading democrat (and RINO) politicians, mainstream fake news media organizations, Big Tech, Wall Street, the Israel lobby, and the military-industrial complex.
They often work in conjunction against opponents of the woke Globohomo "Open Borders and Open Buttholes / Invade the world and invite the world" Agenda. For instance, when a movement they don't like arises such as the Tea Party a decade ago, the alphabet agencies open investigations and political persecutions of them (see the Lois Lerner scandal and the IRS targeting groups for political reasons). Meanwhile the mainstream fake news demonizes them, and Big Tech bans or shadowbans them. In certain cases, Wall Street debanks them (see Kanye West).
Simultaneously, while the Jews in the ADL and SPLC work with their cousins in the media and finance to attack the organization or individual, they use their links with democrat and RINO politicians on Capitol Hill (most of whom are funded by one deep state organization or another) to get legislation passed, or maybe to get a fake FBI "investigation" in which the majority of participants are FBI agents provocateurs as in the case of the Gretchen Whitmer "kidnap plot" or January 6.
It's a well-oiled machine, all to ensure that regular heritage Americans like those in East Palestine get completely screwed, disenfranchised, and ultimately replaced. $100 billion plus for Ukraine (read: Wall Street and the military-industrial complex), nothing for American victims of the chemical disaster. The faggot Transport Secretary Buttigieg wasn't even planning to visit until President Trump showed up to support Americans in need.
As for "conspiracy theories", as Elon Musk said a few months after buying and thoroughly investigating Twitter, pretty much every "conspiracy theory" about it turned out to be true. He should know.
Finally, call me old-fashioned but I never really saw the appeal of anal when there's a perfectly good pussy to fuck!After reading your gibberish, I got this impression, and I'll be polite:
You believe people shouldn't be allowed to file lawsuits because they feel that they have been harmed by discrimination. Plaintiffs don't pay lawyers or filing fees to go to court. And that it cost the business owner too much to defend their business practice. I believe that is a business decision.
You don't like gay people (men). Curious if you have the same animus toward gay women;.
You don't like jewish people;.
You don't like wall street, Big Tech, law enforcement, intelligent agencies, military industry complex.
You don't like "mainstream fake news media organizations". Who are the "real" news media organizations?
You believe there's a scandal of Lois Lerner https://www.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/IRS1023.pdf.
You like kidnapping plotters https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/final-defendant-michigan-governor-kidnapping-plot-sentenced-over-19-years-prison..
You don't like Big Tech (shadow) banning people, but you like other companies to actually ban people.
You believe "heritage Americans" will be replaced. By who?
And, anal sex does not appeal to you.
Got it!
heritage Americans like... The faggot Transport Secretary ...
Finally, call me old-fashioned but I never really saw the appeal of anal when there's a perfectly good pussy to fuck!Can I ask. What do you mean by heritage American? I never heard the expression before.
And what did gay folk do to you that got you so angry with them? I don't like classical music, but I don't feel the need to insult people that do like it at every opportunity.
I don't think you are necessarily old-fashioned, just missing out.
Elvis 2008
02-28-23, 03:52
Not that I really think Zuckerberg was too upset about any of it. He's a member of the tribe and on board with The Agenda; he's just trying to give himself and his failing website a big of credibility with the growing millions of people who are sick of the entire situation. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.Good point. I forgot about all the money he poured into the 2020 election and now he is trying to appear non-partisan. But I will ask you Chris, what would you have done if the FBI came up to you and said a story, forget about it being Hunter Biden, was disinformation, and you could go to jail if you published it. It is easy to say you would stand up to them, but the federal government, which has way too much power, can fuck you over in a million different ways.
Elvis 2008
02-28-23, 04:02
Bullshit. The alphabet agencies knew perfectly well it was real. And yet they colluded with media and Big Tech to create the impression that it was not, in order to protect the woke globohomo Agenda candidate before an electionWho gives a shit what a FBI lawyer thinks? We have the goods already. And not only that we have the FBI griping Twitter did not have more evidence of the so called Russian bots that were responsible for Trump winning in 2016.
So any alphabet agency in the federal government can just go to Twitter or Facebook and say "We believe this is disinformation" and censor a story. They do not have to be factually correct just believing is enough.
So PVM, let us get off your Democratic douche agenda and your whataboutism and go with absolutes. Give me one non-partisan story that has political impact that an alphabet agency could not censor today. Given your ridiculous standard of what qualifies as censorship. Watergate never would have happened, and Nixon would have finished out his term.
Elvis 2008
02-28-23, 04:06
Wingers are the least informed dimwits on the planet. Yet well before the 2020 election every Winger had an idiotic notion in his or her otherwise empty skull that something evil about Joe Biden lurked somewhere inside his son's laptop next to the videos of his son smoking crack and getting a footjob from an Asian hooker.
And virtually everyone who was well-informed and therefore voted for Joe Biden knew all those Wingers were desperately grasping at straws with that BS in a vain attempt to salvage another losing election for their historic election-losing candidate whose only notable "win" was squeaking in on the pro Repub rigging built into the system back in 2016 despite losing the vote by millions.
Nobody needed Twitter to hear about that laptop idiocy. Twitter did not suppress or deny anyone anything regarding that crap re the election.
Hell, I almost never go on Twitter, knew that laptop bit was total crap and didn't even have the slightest interest in hearing about it.When you go into Bagdad Bob mode, Tooms, we know you have admitted defeat.
Laptop bit was total crap? LOL.
Hahaha! The Twitter FBI agent said Twitter and the FBI did nothing wrong! Well that's OK then!
The funny thing is these douchey dem doofus leftists are so brainwashed and lacking in critical thinking skills they actually believe the previous sentence. We cannot maintain a free first world society with such people. Better to separate, let them create their communist utopia and watch from a distance how it ends up for them.
P.S. If you want to know the reality about Twitter, Elon Musk the new owner said that having spent months looking under the hood, pretty much every "conspiracy theory" about it turned out to be true.So Matt Added Taibbi, didn't say this? "There's no evidence — that I've seen — of any government involvement in the laptop story. " https://www.cbsnews.com/news/twitter-files-matt-taibbi-bari-weiss-michael-shellenberger-elon-musk/.
Kinda blows your "all of the alphabet agencies lied" about the laptop thing, doesn't it?
After reading your gibberish, I got this impression, and I'll be polite:
You believe people shouldn't be allowed to file lawsuits because they feel that they have been harmed by discrimination. Plaintiffs don't pay lawyers or filing fees to go to court. And that it cost the business owner too much to defend their business practice. I believe that is a business decision.
You don't like gay people (men). Curious if you have the same animus toward gay women;.
You don't like jewish people;.
You don't like wall street, Big Tech, law enforcement, intelligent agencies, military industry complex.
You don't like "mainstream fake news media organizations". Who are the "real" news media organizations?
You believe there's a scandal of Lois Lerner https://www.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/IRS1023.pdf.
You like kidnapping plotters https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/final-defendant-michigan-governor-kidnapping-plot-sentenced-over-19-years-prison..
You don't like Big Tech (shadow) banning people, but you like other companies to actually ban people.
You believe "heritage Americans" will be replaced. By who?
And, anal sex does not appeal to you.
Got it!Your reply is spot on.
Gibberish is Chrissie's stock-in-trade. The more off-the-wall something is, the harder she pushes it.
Chrissie loves to use the term "heritage Americans" but forgets that she and every one of her ancestors are immigrants.
And actually, anal sex appeals to Chrissie very much. People who complain the loudest about something are usually the first ones to embrace it (in secret, of course).
You believe people shouldn't be allowed to file lawsuits because they feel that they have been harmed by discrimination.I am opposed to compelled speech. When you try to force a baker to make a cake celebrating the "marriage" of two homosexuals, you are compelling him to make an expression with which he does not agree. That is tyranny. There are plenty of other bakers who would be happy to bake the cake, so the only reason for these cases is vindictive targeting of opponents by woke Globohomo.
Plaintiffs don't pay lawyers or filing fees to go to court. And that it cost the business owner too much to defend their business practice. I believe that is a business decision.Most of these homosexual Agenda activists are funded by Big Fag via Soros or some other leftist Jew. So no, they don't pay out of their own pocket.
And it is not a "business decision" to be stuck in years of costly legal hell. These ridiculous and overtly political cases should be thrown out at the first hurdle. As indeed they are the other way round.
You don't like gay people (men). Curious if you have the same animus toward gay womenI'm opposed to the homosexual Agenda, aka Big Fag, in particular its targeting of children. Pedophilia has always been rife among homosexual men, and this push to sexualize small children in elementary school, touch them at "drag queen story hour", and allow them to sterilize themselves and mutilate their genitals, is done with the aim of having sexual access to them.
If you can allow an elementary school age boy to say he's a faggot, or change his gender, then he is already sexualized. It's not a huge step to saying that he can consent to sex with adults. Woke globohomo media are even trying to use the term "MAP" (Minor-Attracted Person) instead of pedophile, to condition and normalize people toward their ultimate goal of fucking little boys.
As for lesbians, they hardly exist in reality. Women's sexuality has always been fluid and based around trends of the time. Centuries ago, if one tribe defeated another, they would kill all the men and the women would save themselves by fucking / marrying the winners. Nowadays, because Globohomo hollyweird and media has made lesbianism trendy (at least in the cringe circles that certain urban sluts exist) some of them are declaring themselves to be lesbian. It is just another female strategy to gain attention and advance themselves in society.
You don't like jewish peopleWe need to have a conversation about why and how the majority of American media, finance and hollywood is owned and controlled by an ethno-religious group that constitutes only 2% of the population. That would be the case if it was any such group. We also need to discuss the effects of this on the majority of American people, and society as a whole.
The current situation, in which aforementioned media, finance and hollywood attempt to silence any discussion of the above facts, is not sustainable and indeed deeply repressive.
You don't like wall street, Big Tech, law enforcement, intelligent agencies, military industry complex.Local law enforcement, ie sheriffs directly elected by and beholden to the people they serve and protect, is great. Corrupt federal deep state alphabet agencies answerable to nobody except the Washington woke globohomo swamp are not.
You don't like "mainstream fake news media organizations". Who are the "real" news media organizations?There are some good journalists and news organizations out there. Glenn Greenwald for example (note that he is a homosexual but I don't have a problem with him because he doesn't push his identity, engage in public sodomy parades, or attempt to groom children for sex). Andy NGO has done some great reporting on the antifa / BLM riots (and been violently attacked by antifa, while federal law enforcement looked the other way because antifa supports The Agenda).
Tucker Carlson is excellent, and has earned his position as the most watched and trusted anchor in America. Some of the other people at Fox are good too, such as Brian Kilmeade. Newsmax and OAN have been decent from what I have seen of them. The Federalist is worth reading, and Breitbart still has its moments (though since Steve Bannon left it has become too hysterically Zionist). Andrew Anglin is one of the best living writers, hilarious and informative at a deep level. Vdare.com (which is currently undergoing the aforementioned deep state attack, having been debanked and attacked by Jewish finance and fake news) is compelling. The Washington Examiner is OK. Many more.
You believe there's a scandal of Lois LernerThe IRS admitted illegally targeting right wing groups https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/remember-the-irs-targeting-scandal-no-one-ever-got-punished-for-it.
But of course nobody was punished because the globohomo deep state swamp protects its own, just like Crooked Hillary Clinton wasn't punished for clearly breaking the law by using a private servers and deleting her emails while Secretary of State, and Sleepy Joe "10% for the Big Guy" Biden wasn't punished for openly boasting about threatening to withhold US govt loan while VP in order to force Ukraine to fire a prosecutor who was investigating his son's criminal activity in the country.
You like kidnapping plottersIn the so-called Whitmer "kidnap" plot, which was in reality a political entrapment plot, it transpired that an actual majority of the so-called "plotters" were FBI agents or assets. https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/26/the-fbis-whitmer-kidnapping-case-looks-like-a-potemkin-terror-plot/.
"The FBI, through informants and undercover agents, hatched the kidnapping plot, served in the key leadership positions of the militia group, trained the militia members in military tactics, actively recruited participants, and funded much of the militia's activities. Then, when various members of the Watchman militia became uncomfortable with the kidnapping plot, with several quitting, the FBI's primary informant pushed the plot along, eventually becoming the militia group's leader. ".
January 6 was run along similar lines.
You don't like Big Tech (shadow) banning people, but you like other companies to actually ban people.As I said above, I am opposed to compelled speech. That does not apply to Big Tech specifically because of Section 230, which states that as sites like Twitter, Facebook and Google are merely platforms not publishers, they cannot be sued for anything that is written or said on them.
That was indeed the case until 2016. However, the election of Trump and the growing rejection of woke Globohomo lunacy meant that the woke deep state was forced to begin censoring its opposition because its fake news and twisted message was being so thoroughly debunked. This made the Big Tech platforms publishers, as they were deciding what was to be posted and publicised, rather than simply allowing the free competition of ideas (something that the left can never do because its ideas are so utterly full of shit and wacky).
Big Tech must go back to being free speech platforms, not publishers. If not, its Section 230 privileges must be removed.
You believe "heritage Americans" will be replaced. By who?By the tens of millions of immigrants let in since the fraudulently passed 1965 Immigration Bill, whose authors promised that it would not alter the demographic make up of America. This is of course accelerating now that the Biden regime has opened the southern border and is providing welfare gibsmedats to any unskilled 80 IQ loser who shows up.
Can I ask. What do you mean by heritage American? I never heard the expression before.
And what did gay folk do to you that got you so angry with them? I don't like classical music, but I don't feel the need to insult people that do like it at every opportunity.
I don't think you are necessarily old-fashioned, just missing out.Heritage Americans are Americans here before the 1965 Immigration Act was fraudulently passed.
The authors and backer of the Act, including Chappaquiddick Ted Kennedy and the Jewish congressman Emanuel Celler (it was named the Hart-Celler Act) falsely promised Americans that the demographic balance of the country would not be changed.
As for homosexuals, I am opposed to their public sodomy parades but most of all their targeting of children for grooming with the ultimate goal of legalizing pedophilia (see my previous post).
Good point. I forgot about all the money he poured into the 2020 election and now he is trying to appear non-partisan. But I will ask you Chris, what would you have done if the FBI came up to you and said a story, forget about it being Hunter Biden, was disinformation, and you could go to jail if you published it. It is easy to say you would stand up to them, but the federal government, which has way too much power, can fuck you over in a million different ways.Zuckerberg is a multi-billionaire public figure with a huge media platform. There is no way whatsoever the FBI would have arrested him if he had allowed people to publicize the Biden laptop story on Facebook.
Elon Musk, a figure of similar stature to Zuckerberg, has stood up to the FBI and deep state by releasing the Twitter Files detailing FBI and other alphabet agency corruption and political interference in the election to support and protect the woke deep state globohomo candidate Biden. He is not languishing in prison.
Zuckerberg is just trying to pretend he is impartial, probably to save his failing platform which is dying. But the real scandal in all of this is the open bias and lies of the Washington deep state alphabet agencies who knew the laptop was real but pretended it was fake in order to interfere in the election. They are no longer fit for purpose and must be disbanded.
Who gives a shit what a FBI lawyer thinks? We have the goods already. And not only that we have the FBI griping Twitter did not have more evidence of the so called Russian bots that were responsible for Trump winning in 2016.
So any alphabet agency in the federal government can just go to Twitter or Facebook and say "We believe this is disinformation" and censor a story. They do not have to be factually correct just believing is enough.
So PVM, let us get off your Democratic douche agenda and your whataboutism and go with absolutes. Give me one non-partisan story that has political impact that an alphabet agency could not censor today. Given your ridiculous standard of what qualifies as censorship. Watergate never would have happened, and Nixon would have finished out his term.Yes, in fact they didn't even believe the laptop was "Russian disinformation". With all their considerable resources, they knew perfectly well that it was genuine and the information it contained detailing Biden family criminality was real, but they lied that it was not, in order to protect Biden before the election.
That is perhaps the most egregious political scandal in American history, and must result in nothing less than the disbandment of the organizations involved.
BTW regarding Nixon / Watergate, LBJ was known to have spied on Barry Goldwater in 1964 https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/the-fbi-spied-lbjs-campaign.
But because LBJ was in favor of the nascent Globohomo Agenda which had just begun (the Immigration Act to destroy the country demographically; the "Great Society" to normalize welfare gibsmedats and single motherhood; the start of affirmative action, etc) he was given a pass, as all leftists are.
Indeed, elements of the FBI actually spied for him, showing that the rot in that organization began a long time ago.
Elvis 2008
03-01-23, 04:01
So Matt Added Taibbi, didn't say this? "There's no evidence that I've seen of any government involvement in the laptop story. " https://www.cbsnews.com/news/twitter-files-matt-taibbi-bari-weiss-michael-shellenberger-elon-musk/.
Kinda blows your "all of the alphabet agencies lied" about the laptop thing, doesn't it?Taibbi was not the one doing the Hunter Biden laptop story. Michael Schllenberger was, and I actually underestimated how bad it was.
https://public.substack.com/p/fbi-members-of-congress-respond-to
Just like MSNBC should be known as spook network for all the former spies it has hired, Twitter and Facebook are loaded to the gills with presumably "former" FBI, NSA etc agents.
https://twitter.com/NameRedacted247
After learning that Twitter employs at least 15 former FBI agents, I searched Facebook. What I found is alarming.
Facebook currently employs at least 115 people, in high-ranking positions, that formerly worked at FBI / CIA / NSA / DHS:
17 CIA.
37 FBI.
23 NSA.
38 DHS.
Google currently employs at least 165 people, in high-ranking positions, from the Intelligence Community.
Google's Trust & Safety team is managed by 3 ex-CIA agents, who control "misinfo & hate speech. ".
Here's the breakdown:
CIA-27.
FBI-52.
NSA-30.
DHS-50.
ODNI-6.
Oh right, these are "former" agents and a "private" company. Yeesh. I have learned that many of these "former" employees are still getting benefits from their "former" employers.
If this is not censorship, then nothing is. If you watch the 3 minute video at the above link and get the facts and tell me that the FBI did not censor the Hunter Biden story, then you are not an American who believes in the Constitution. At this point, it is unarguable that this is censorship.
But if you are a Democratic douche, this is a non-story because Biden won.
Elvis 2008
03-01-23, 04:36
Can I ask. What do you mean by heritage American? I never heard the expression before.
And what did gay folk do to you that got you so angry with them? I don't like classical music, but I don't feel the need to insult people that do like it at every opportunity.
I don't think you are necessarily old-fashioned, just missing out.TK, he says globohomo. I am not speaking for Chris but I would imagine he agrees with this. There is this excellent and popular show called Breaking Point with Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti. She is a liberal, and he is conservative, and you would be amazed at how much they agree.
Bernie Sanders proposed making community college free. He was blown off as stupid and we were told we could not afford it when in fact it would cost $80 billion a year. We have already spent $100 billion on Ukraine for a war that we provoked with Russia. The globohomo agenda is funded by Wall Street and the military industrial complex to make certain money keeps coming to them by distracting from the real issues where Republicans and Democrats would agree. A bill that government pays for college will NEVER be voted on in my lifetime because Wall Street banks make too many $ off the loans, but a vote on military aid to Ukraine was a sure thing.
Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell have made disgusting amounts of money trading stocks on insider information. There will NEVER be a bill sent for a vote to ban Congressional insider trading in my lifetime, but you better believe they will pass some bill regarding hate speech.
With health care and the defense industry, you will NEVER see a bill sent for a vote on a public option of Medicare for all. I will also NEVER see an audit of the defense industry in my lifetime. However, you will see plenty of bills and laws aimed at limiting production of fossil fuels to "save the planet".
The Democratic douches here are like the cult members of true believers. Instead of empowering the people even with voting, they do not care about that. They only care if Democrats win. If the FBI rigs an election ot two, they are cool with that. As long as the Democratic douches subscribe to the globohomo agenda, issues like soaring education costs, Congressional insider trading, health care, and the out of control defense department will continue to be problems.
For all the shit said about Trump, he kept the peace. If he were re-elected, there would not have been a war in Ukraine. Instead of recognizing that, we see Democratic douches wearing their yellow and blue lapels and criticizing anyone who questions the end game in Ukraine or questions spending $100 billion earmarked for killing people as a Putin puppet.
Cheering on war and demonizing the man who would have prevented it is part of the globohomo agenda. As long as they can keep red and blue bickering, the money will keep rolling in.
As for homosexuals, I am opposed to their public sodomy parades but most of all their targeting of children for grooming with the ultimate goal of legalizing pedophilia (see my previous post).Thanks for your reply Chris.
Then to home in a little on your dislike -.
- you don't like public sodomy.
- you don't like child grooming.
But I fail to understand why you hold a prejudice against gay folks then. Bcos:
- many gay people do not commit public sodomy nor child grooming; whereas.
- many non-gay people do commit public sodomy and child grooming.
So you should direct your grievance against sodomizers and child groomers in general, not against gay folk.
Cheering on war and demonizing the man who would have prevented it is part of the globohomo agenda.Then I misuderstand what globohomo means. I thought he was against the global gay rights movement.
Yes, in fact they didn't even believe the laptop was "Russian disinformation". With all their considerable resources, they knew perfectly well that it was genuine and the information it contained detailing Biden family criminality was real, but they lied that it was not, in order to protect Biden before the election.
That is perhaps the most egregious political scandal in American history, and must result in nothing less than the disbandment of the organizations involved.
BTW regarding Nixon / Watergate, LBJ was known to have spied on Barry Goldwater in 1964 https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/the-fbi-spied-lbjs-campaign.
But because LBJ was in favor of the nascent Globohomo Agenda which had just begun (the Immigration Act to destroy the country demographically; the "Great Society" to normalize welfare gibsmedats and single motherhood; the start of affirmative action, etc) he was given a pass, as all leftists are.
Indeed, elements of the FBI actually spied for him, showing that the rot in that organization began a long time ago.Your guy, Matt Taibbi, said the following: "There's no evidence — that I've seen — of any government involvement in the laptop story. " https://www.cbsnews.com/news/twitter...ger-elon-musk/. Period.
But you, on the other hand, continue to make BS statements like "With all their considerable resources, they knew perfectly well that it was genuine and the information it contained detailing Biden family criminality was real, but they lied that it was not, in order to protect Biden before the election. " All without proof, of course. But wingers don't need proof, do they? That's why it is so easy to be a winger. Everything is "fake news" that doesn't come from some unsubstantiated blog some where.
Taibbi was not the one doing the Hunter Biden laptop story. Michael Schllenberger was, and I actually underestimated how bad it was.
https://public.substack.com/p/fbi-members-of-congress-respond-to
Just like MSNBC should be known as spook network for all the former spies it has hired, Twitter and Facebook are loaded to the gills with presumably "former" FBI, NSA etc agents.
https://twitter.com/NameRedacted247
After learning that Twitter employs at least 15 former FBI agents, I searched Facebook. What I found is alarming.
Facebook currently employs at least 115 people, in high-ranking positions, that formerly worked at FBI / CIA / NSA / DHS:
17 CIA.
37 FBI.
23 NSA..Does your rant make Taibbi's statement untrue? Or is it untrue because it throws cold water on your bullshit. The fact that Taibbi said that there was no government involvement says that what you are saying is bullshit with a capital 'be'.
You are aghast that former employees of the CIA, FBI etc. Are still receiving benefits but you are unsurprisingly silent about Donnie the Dumbass offering PAC-or-somebody-else-paid-for legal assistance to folks who were about to testify to the Jan 6th committee.
When you go into Bagdad Bob mode, Tooms, we know you have admitted defeat.
Laptop bit was total crap? LOL.Absolutely total crap. The laptop bit has not yet been shown by anyone or by any evidence that Joe Biden, you know, the candidate and winner of the 2020 presidential election, was involved in anything illegal or unethical. Zip. Nada. Nothing.
You want to bust Hunter Biden for smoking crack and getting a footjob from an. Asian hooker? Go for it. Spend millions in tax payer's money keeping the Redrawn Districts Pink Tinkle busy prosecuting it for the next 21 months.
Actually, that might be better for the country than what they could be doing for the next 21 months anyway.
Nobody proves that the USA dollars in your pocket and in your bank account are not really "yours" better than elected members of the Repub Party.
Since when was Faux News in the news business? As everyone knows, they are in the Lies Business, Donnie boy.
Trump doubles down on attacks on Rupert Murdoch and tells him to get out of the news business over Fox News Dominion testimony
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-rupert-murdoch-dominion-fox-news-b2292163.html
Mr. Mutdoch has admitted during a sworn deposition that Fox News hosts pushed the fact-free narrative that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from Mr Trump, a recent filing in the voting machine company Dominion Voting Systemss billion-dollar lawsuit against Fox shows.And its biggest, most blatant liar is Tucker Carlson:
Tucker Carlson Tried to Get Fox News Reporter Fired for Fact-Checking Trump Internal emails reveal the hosts motives for lying.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/02/tucker-carlson-wanted-to-fire-reporter-who-corrected-trump.html
Later that night, Carlson pointed Hannity to a tweet by Fox reporter Jacqui Heinrich, which fact-checked a tweet by Trump that mentioned Dominion voting conspiracy theories. There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised, she wrote.
Please get her fired, Carlson texted Hannity and Ingraham. Seriously What the fuck? Im actually shocked. It needs to stop immediately, like tonight. Its measurably hurting the company. The stock price is down.
Not a joke."My god. The dripping contempt Murdoch, Hannity, Ingraham, Carlson, et al have for the idiots who believe the utter bullshit Faux News shovels down their throats is itself nauseating and sad.
TK, he says globohomo. I am not speaking for Chris but I would imagine he agrees with this. There is this excellent and popular show called Breaking Point with Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti. She is a liberal, and he is conservative, and you would be amazed at how much they agree.
Bernie Sanders proposed making community college free. He was blown off as stupid and we were told we could not afford it when in fact it would cost $80 billion a year. We have already spent $100 billion on Ukraine for a war that we provoked with Russia. The globohomo agenda is funded by Wall Street and the military industrial complex to make certain money keeps coming to them by distracting from the real issues where Republicans and Democrats would agree. A bill that government pays for college will NEVER be voted on in my lifetime because Wall Street banks make too many $ off the loans, but a vote on military aid to Ukraine was a sure thing.
Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell have made disgusting amounts of money trading stocks on insider information. There will NEVER be a bill sent for a vote to ban Congressional insider trading in my lifetime, but you better believe they will pass some bill regarding hate speech...The USA was actively engaged in a foreign war for every second of every minute of every hour of every day of every week of every month of every year of the Trump so-called presidency.
Is that how he "kept the peace"?
Oh sure, if Trump had been re-elected he and the presumed re-elected RePutinKlan Party in Congress would likely have blocked all pro democracy military aid for Ukraine and, "Bingo", no need for Putin to go to war in order to score a big win for authoritarian dictatorships and the defeat of democracy.
Trump sure did his best to score a big win for an authoritarian dictatorship and the defeat of democracy in America, didn't he? Putin must be so proud of his ass-licking lackey's attempt. Except he failed.
Thanks, Joe.
I do hope you don't mind if Joe Biden and the rest of us push back with a little law and order to prevent that from happening. And, if push comes to shove, it might very well require a bit of military force to defend the Constitution against further cop-killing attacks from your beloved RePutinKlan Party.
CheckMate1
03-01-23, 20:27
Taibbi was not the one doing the Hunter Biden laptop story. Michael Schllenberger was, and I actually underestimated how bad it was.
https://public.substack.com/p/fbi-members-of-congress-respond-to
Just like MSNBC should be known as spook network for all the former spies it has hired, Twitter and Facebook are loaded to the gills with presumably "former" FBI, NSA etc agents.
https://twitter.com/NameRedacted247
After learning that Twitter employs at least 15 former FBI agents, I searched Facebook. What I found is alarming.
Facebook currently employs at least 115 people, in high-ranking positions, that formerly worked at FBI / CIA / NSA / DHS:
17 CIA.
37 FBI.
23 NSA.
38 DHS.
Google currently employs at least 165 people, in high-ranking positions, from the Intelligence Community.
Google's Trust & Safety team is managed by 3 ex-CIA agents, who control "misinfo & hate speech. ".
Here's the breakdown:
CIA-27.
FBI-52.
NSA-30.
DHS-50.
ODNI-6.
Oh right, these are "former" agents and a "private" company. Yeesh. I have learned that many of these "former" employees are still getting benefits from their "former" employers.
If this is not censorship, then nothing is. If you watch the 3 minute video at the above link and get the facts and tell me that the FBI did not censor the Hunter Biden story, then you are not an American who believes in the Constitution. At this point, it is unarguable that this is censorship.
But if you are a Democratic douche, this is a non-story because Biden won.Okay, went through the your link and paid attention to each an every clip, read everything provided on the link.
Clips contains mostly FOX news crediting one source and never a collaborating source or any other guest other than Michael Shellenberger. Sure there was on British lady who got on then to credit Michael Shelleberger. Then Tucker credited the journalism that was done by M. Shellenberger.
I checked Michael Shellenger's linkedin. Graduated from Earlham College with a BA in Peace and Global Studies (https://earlham.edu/academics/majors-minors-programs/peace-and-global-studies) and a MA in Anthropology.
No mentioning of any journalism school, nor wrote for any publication that you could identify. I'll do that for you as of December 2022, he wrote for "The Free Press" media company. Without looking can you find the website?
Best part about your link, right in the middle between paragraphs.
"My investigative reporting depends on paid subscribers like you. Act now and get a full year for just $7. 50/ month. " This is how a grift is built.
Lastly, your disdain for democrats, how could you possibly be able trust this democrat's writing? https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/2018-primary/sov/31-governor.pdf (page 34).
I write this only to demonstrate drilling down on information and searching, rather than REGURGITATE. Take some time to look into any story written or a reported story. ALWAYS be skeptical, but do a little homework. When two opposing sides, ex. FOX and MSNBC share the same report, you have a more accurate report. When you don't these are opinions. Regan once said, "Trust, but verify". Which is rather funny considering it was used during nuclear discussions with the Soviet. Funny because "Trust, but verify" is a Russian proverb.
Political dog whistle. Why the sudden interest in test scores in a particular city? Interest in a certain laptop computer or Hillary Klingon's server and emails waning? But wait. KKKarlson has gobs of videos of citizens strolling through Das Kapital. Not interested in classified documents roaming Willy Nilly or impending criminal indictments?
Your question w/r to why the dog-whistles are being aimed at the city of Baltimore, is an interesting one. Not really sure, but it does seem to get targeted a lot and gets it fare share of right-wing Repub/MAGA bashing.
Take for example, the right-Wing Neo-Nazi Atomwaffen leader and girlfriend duo, targeted and wanted to attack and blow-up, about five (5) power sub-stations, located in a ring around Baltimore, Maryland, all in the same day.
Neo-Nazi Leader Planned Baltimore Power-Grid Attack, DOJ Says...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-06/neo-nazi-leader-planned-baltimore-power-grid-attack-doj-says
Their intentions were to cause a cascading effect, the would completely engulf the city, a blackout and mayhem and then presumably, ignite some sort of racially motivated "race war".
In the last 4-months, there have been nine (9) attacks on electrical sub-stations have occurred in 3-different states. Homeland Security have, advised right-wing domestic violence extremists, have developed credible and specific plans to attack our electricity infrastructure since 2020.
Since when was Faux News in the news business? As everyone knows, they are in the Lies Business, Donnie boy.
Trump doubles down on attacks on Rupert Murdoch and tells him to get out of the news business over Fox News Dominion testimony
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-rupert-murdoch-dominion-fox-news-b2292163.htmlThe Clown Show that is Foxy Muse and Donnie "the Devil" J. Dummkopf just gets more hilarious. As if Rupert Murdoch, is going to take business advice from the grifter wannabe billionaire.
And its biggest, most blatant liar is Tucker Carlson:
Tucker Carlson Tried to Get Fox News Reporter Fired for Fact-Checking Trump Internal emails reveal the hosts motives for lying.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/02/tucker-carlson-wanted-to-fire-reporter-who-corrected-trump.htmlAgreed! Fucker Carlson, is tops when it comes to such utter garbage he spews and wanting to "own the libs" with his two-face "woke" and "cancel culture" hypocrisy.
My god. The dripping contempt Murdoch, Hannity, Ingraham, Carlson, et al have for the idiots who believe the utter bullshit Faux News shovels down their throats is itself nauseating and sad.Yep, definitely bears repeating. Also worth repeating is that very fact that, Foxy Muse, is nothing more than a Republican/MAGA state owned right-wing media outlet.
Elvis 2008
03-02-23, 07:26
Absolutely total crap. The laptop bit has not yet been shown by anyone or by any evidence that Joe Biden, you know, the candidate and winner of the 2020 presidential election, was involved in anything illegal or unethical. Zip. Nada. Nothing.
You want to bust Hunter Biden for smoking crack and getting a footjob from an. Asian hooker? Go for it. Spend millions in tax payer's money keeping the Redrawn Districts Pink Tinkle busy prosecuting it for the next 21 months.So the Hunter Biden laptop story being censored had no effect on the election? Bullshit!
Elvis 2008
03-02-23, 07:36
Does your rant make Taibbi's statement untrue?Taibbi's statement was true when he made it. The volume of Twitter files is massive, and Taibbi was not the only one involved in releasing Twitter file findings. He had not seen that the Hunter Biden laptop information when he made the statement you keep clinging to. Schellenberger did the Hunter Biden part of the Twitter files. You seem not to understand facts, PVM, and Taibbi is not on your side.
Taibbi recently tweeted, "The people determined to reduce the Twitter Files into a partisan pissing match are doing so precisely because the real targets of these stories aren't parties, but the FBI, DHS, DOD, and other massive state entities who've been improperly meddling in domestic speech. ".
Exactly. Democratic douches do not care about civil rights for all Americans. And they do not give a shit about the Constitution. It would be best if Republicans did not have civil rights at all. All you douches care about is if Democrats win.
The Hunter Biden laptop story was censored to give Joe Biden a better chance of winning. It was censorship and rigging an election. Period.
Elvis 2008
03-02-23, 16:00
Okay, went through the your link and paid attention to each an every clip, read everything provided on the link.
Clips contains mostly FOX news crediting one source and never a collaborating source or any other guest other than Michael Shellenberger. Sure there was on British lady who got on then to credit Michael Shelleberger. Then Tucker credited the journalism that was done by M. Shellenberger.
I checked Michael Shellenger's linkedin. Graduated from Earlham College with a BA in Peace and Global Studies (https://earlham.edu/academics/majors-minors-programs/peace-and-global-studies) and a MA in Anthropology.
No mentioning of any journalism school, nor wrote for any publication that you could identify. I'll do that for you as of December 2022, he wrote for "The Free Press" media company. Without looking can you find the website?So my finding his website and Shellenberger's degree are what matter? This is classic Dem behavior: attack the source rather than dispute the facts. A reporter wants to get paid for his work? The horror! He needs to be paid like everyone else, with commercials by Pfizer.
The facts are Hunter Biden dropped off his laptop to be repaired and did not pick it up. The owner of the repair shop made copies of Hunter's hard drive. He gave one to the FBI. They sat on it and did nothing with it. Instead they followed around Rudy Giuliani who had a copy of the drive as well. When Giuliani talked to the NY Post, the FBI told the media to be concerned that there was going to be a story on Hunter Biden that had "all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation". The NY Post writes the story. Facebook and Twitter either ban or downgrade this story. And we then learn that the FBI is in constant talks with Twitter and even has a encrypted and top secret line to discuss spiking stories or banning people from its platform. We also see Democratic members in Congress getting people banned all the time.
So the FBI let Hillary Clinton go after she broke the law. You had Peter Strzok like the #3 guy at the FBI say that he would not let Trump win the 2016 election. The FBI then makes up Russiagate. With 1-6, the FBI refuses to admit if they had agents involved responsible for instigating the 1-6 riots. Now we see that the FBI rigged the 2020 election by doing all it could to sit on Hunter Biden's laptop and spike the NY Post story about it.
Your nonpartisan explanation, Checkmate, was that Twitter is a "private company" and therefore cannot violate censorship laws. Obviously, Texas would have gone after Twitter for political discrimination had Musk not bought them. Then we learn that this "private company" is stocked to the gills with "former" FBI agents.
And now the issue is Shellenberger's degree, website, asking to be paid for his work, and that he told his story on Fox News? And there is no dispute of what he claims are the facts? Congratulations, you have now been crowned a Democratic douche, Mr. Nonpartisan. You are about as "nonpartisan" as the FBI.
This is classic censorship and election rigging. Hell, the FBI has unquestionably influenced the last three elections, but you do not care that the FBI is picking candidates versus the voters as long as they lean Dem.
Elvis 2008
03-02-23, 16:17
The laptop bit has not yet been shown by anyone or by any evidence that Joe Biden, you know, the candidate and winner of the 2020 presidential election, was involved in anything illegal or unethical. Zip. Nada. Nothing.And Bagdad Bob strikes again.
Gilliar had referenced the "big guy" as he acted as the driving force behind Hunter and his uncle Jim Biden's planned multimillion-dollar deal with Chinese energy conglomerate CEFC. https://nypost.com/2022/07/27/hunter-bidens-biz-partner-called-joe-biden-the-big-guy-in-panic-over-laptop/.
https://heavy.com/news/tony-bobulinski/
"I take great pride in the time my family and I served this country. I am also not a political person. What few campaign contributions I have made in my life were to Democrats."
May 20,2017 text exchange obtained by #FoxNews. Tony Bobulinski is warned by business partner James Gilliar "Don't mention Joe being involved, it's only when you are face to face, I know you know that but they are paranoid", which I'm told is a reference to Joe Biden.
The email, sent from one of the group partners, disclosed cash and equity positions, as well as a 10% cut for someone called "the big guy," the New York Post reported.
In his announcement, Bobulinski outed "the big guy" as Joe Biden. He also told the New York Post that the initials "JB" used in the email represent Joe Biden's brother, Jim Biden.
Tony Bobulinski, former business partner of the Biden family, claimed Tuesday that the president's son and brother cheated him out of millions of dollars in a deal to form a joint venture with a Chinese firm.
The former Navy officer's accusations involve a contract initiated between a Delaware firm he started, owned by him, Jim and Hunter Biden, and partners Rob Walker and James Gilliar, to create a joint venture with CEFC, the Chinese firm that pledged to give them $10 million of working capital. Bobulinski alleged that the Bidens embezzled at least $5 million from CEFC.
The outline for the deal with China was on Hunter's laptop.
End of links. In addition, Hunter Biden was being paid millions by a Ukrainian natural gas company, and he has no knowledge of the natural gas business and admitted he was hired on name only. Joe Biden comes in and holds up American aid until the Ukrainian prosecutor investigating Hunter is fired.
So your contention that Hunter Biden was not unethically profiting off the Biden name and selling political influence is bunk.
Bagdad Bob by your definition anyone who is a member of the Democratic party cannot be involved in anything illegal or unethical.
Maybe you should go back to your whatabouism versus outright lies. If you say what about Jared Kushner, you have a point, but unlike you who loves Hunter Biden selling political influence for a $, I think what Kushner did was unethical.
CheckMate1
03-02-23, 21:28
So my finding his website and Shellenberger's degree are what matter? This is classic Dem behavior: attack the source rather than dispute the facts. A reporter wants to get paid for his work? The horror! He needs to be paid like everyone else, with commercials by Pfizer.
The facts are Hunter Biden dropped off his laptop to be repaired and did not pick it up. The owner of the repair shop made copies of Hunter's hard drive. He gave one to the FBI. They sat on it and did nothing with it. Instead they followed around Rudy Giuliani who had a copy of the drive as well. When Giuliani talked to the NY Post, the FBI told the media to be concerned that there was going to be a story on Hunter Biden that had "all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation". The NY Post writes the story. Facebook and Twitter either ban or downgrade this story. And we then learn that the FBI is in constant talks with Twitter and even has a encrypted and top secret line to discuss spiking stories or banning people from its platform. We also see Democratic members in Congress getting people banned all the time.
So the FBI let Hillary Clinton go after she broke the law. You had Peter Strzok like the #3 guy at the FBI say that he would not let Trump win the 2016 election. The FBI then makes up Russiagate. With 1-6, the FBI refuses to admit if they had agents involved responsible for instigating the 1-6 riots. Now we see that the FBI rigged the 2020 election by doing all it could to sit on Hunter Biden's laptop and spike the NY Post story about it.
Your nonpartisan explanation, Checkmate, was that Twitter is a "private company" and therefore cannot violate censorship laws. Obviously, Texas would have gone after Twitter for political discrimination had Musk not bought them. Then we learn that this "private company" is stocked to the gills with "former" FBI agents.
And now the issue is Shellenberger's degree, website, asking to be paid for his work, and that he told his story on Fox News? And there is no dispute of what he claims are the facts? Congratulations, you have now been crowned a Democratic douche, Mr. Nonpartisan. You are about as "nonpartisan" as the FBI.
This is classic censorship and election rigging. Hell, the FBI has unquestionably influenced the last three elections, but you do not care that the FBI is picking candidates versus the voters as long as they lean Dem.1. Yes, when there is one person who is producing the all information, I do look at it critically and ask; Who is this person? Is he credible? Is there collaborating evident by someone else?
Your choice to blindly accept things at face value is your right. I choose to do a little more homework.
2. "The facts are Hunter Biden dropped off his laptop to be repaired and did not pick it up. The owner of the repair shop made copies of Hunter's hard drive. He gave one to the FBI. They sat on it and did nothing with it. Instead they followed around Rudy Giuliani who had a copy of the drive as well. When Giuliani talked to the NY Post, the FBI told the media to be concerned that there was going to be a story on Hunter Biden that had "all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation". The NY Post writes the story. . . . We also see Democratic members in Congress getting people banned all the time. ".
Okay repair shop made two copies, Rudy and FBI. Rudy talked to NY POST, and FBI was concerned that it could be Russian disinformation. NY POST wrote the story anyway. So that story was out there by a news media. As well, since Rudy had a copy, couldn't he completely release it in any other forum beside Facebook or Twitter, you know like https://rudygiulianics.com/ or Fox News, or any of the thousand websites; blogs; etc. Yet the FBI somehow muzzled the universe, but you were able to get the information.
Yes, congress members are allowed to request businesses to remove individuals for their own personal reasons. As can you, and me and god forbid the President of United States. Businesses then make a judgement call.
Your grievance is that if people knew about this the election would have changed. You don't account for: maybe they have seen it but don't give a shit about it; and / or maybe they like the other candidate better for other reasons; and / or maybe they voted for non of the above.
Fact: People vote however they want.
Opinion: Mine: And that's how it should be. May the best person wins.
3. You're still stuck on Hilary. Fact: No charges were filed, as of yet.
"You had Peter Strzok like the #3 guy at the FBI say that he would not let Trump win the 2016 election. ".
Stupid move on his part, not illegal considering he's not charged with anything. He was fired because he probably violated a FBI policy. I used "probably" because he currently is contesting his firing in court for wrongful termination. Sorry, I don't have the FBI employee policy. I'll just have to watch the court system and see how that played out.
FBI refuse to admit to "some report" that "someone" wrote on the internet. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/-trump-protester-ray-epps-told-jan-6-committee-crazy-conspiracy-theori-rcna63615.
DO yourself a favor, write to your favorite (maybe you live in an area where your representative doesn't share your view point) congressional representative to hold a hearing on this, and let's see what they write back to you.
4. "Texas would have gone after Twitter for political discrimination had Musk not bought them. ".
And if they, it would have been a slam dunk that they would win in court. Right?
Fact: Every lawsuits based on political discrimination against social media has been dismissed by the court, so far. It is NOT a THING.
5. Throwing shit against the wall and tell people to dispute it is dumb. I don't have issue with Shellenberger writing per se. I ask for corroborating evident other than his. It seems strange that you don't allow this kind curiosity.
6. So the FBI decides our elections. By extension, shouldn't every president get relected? The President can fire and hire anyone and everyone in the FBI each 4 years.
And Bagdad Bob strikes again.
Gilliar had referenced the "big guy" as he acted as the driving force behind Hunter and his uncle Jim Biden's planned multimillion-dollar deal with Chinese energy conglomerate CEFC. https://nypost.com/2022/07/27/hunter-bidens-biz-partner-called-joe-biden-the-big-guy-in-panic-over-laptop/.
https://heavy.com/news/tony-bobulinski/
"I take great pride in the time my family and I served this country. I am also not a political person. What few campaign contributions I have made in my life were to Democrats."
May 20,2017 text exchange obtained by #FoxNews. Tony Bobulinski is warned by business partner James Gilliar "Don't mention Joe being involved, it's only when you are face to face, I know you know that but they are paranoid", which I'm told is a reference to Joe Biden.
The email, sent from one of the group partners, disclosed cash and equity positions, as well as a 10% cut for someone called "the big guy," the New York Post reported.
In his announcement, Bobulinski outed "the big guy" as Joe Biden. He also told the New York Post that the initials "JB" used in the email represent Joe Biden's brother, Jim Biden..That's right. There is no law, nothing, zip, zero, nada, for which someone can be indicted or charged for presumably and possibly being referred to as "the big guy" by someone trying to impress a potential employer and to whom no illegal favors or payments were ever made.
Now you're getting it!
Elvis 2008
03-03-23, 22:17
1. Yes, when there is one person who is producing the all information, I do look at it critically and ask; Who is this person? Is he credible? Is there collaborating evident by someone else?
Your choice to blindly accept things at face value is your right. I choose to do a little more homework.LOL. The problem is not my reading comprehension. It is your imagination. Elon Musk saw these files. He gave them to independent journalists he trusted. No one is disputing the facts except you, and you are not even disputing the facts. You are disputing whether he is qualified to publish said facts. You cannot fight the what so you are gong after the who.
Bottom line is the FBI is not disputing the facts, but you are, and what does that say about you? Hell, you probably still believe Russiagate was real.
FBI was concerned that it could be Russian disinformation. NY POST wrote the story anyway. So that story was out there by a news media. As well, since Rudy had a copy, couldn't he completely release it in any other forum beside Facebook or Twitter, you know like https://rudygiulianics.com/ or Fox News, or any of the thousand websites; blogs; etc. Yet the FBI somehow muzzled the universe, but you were able to get the information.When you say the FBI was concerned it was Russian information, I can just stop. You have your nose so far up the FBI's ass you cannot see them for what they are.
Yes, congress members are allowed to request businesses to remove individuals for their own personal reasons. As can you, and me and god forbid the President of United States. Businesses then make a judgement call.So members of Congress can censor but Congress as a whole cannot?
Your grievance is that if people knew about this the election would have changed. You don't account for: maybe they have seen it but don't give a shit about itI never said it would have changed the election. I said the last three elections have been rigged by the FBI. I do not know what would have happened if they quit rigging them.
Fact: People vote however they want.
Opinion: Mine: And that's how it should be. May the best person wins.
3. You're still stuck on Hilary. Fact: No charges were filed, as of yet.
"You had Peter Strzok like the #3 guy at the FBI say that he would not let Trump win the 2016 election. ".
Stupid move on his part, not illegal considering he's not charged with anything. He was fired because he probably violated a FBI policy. I used "probably" because he currently is contesting his firing in court for wrongful termination. Sorry, I don't have the FBI employee policy. I'll just have to watch the court system and see how that played out.It looks like Tooms has some competition for the Bagdad Bob role. Obviously, in your eyes, the way the Hiliary Clinton matter was handled was law enforcement at its finest. I am not going to debate someone who is making stuff up and is so dumb as to believe the FBI's tale about Russian disinformation with Hunter's laptop.
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It looks like Tooms has some competition for the Bagdad Bob role. Obviously, in your eyes, the way the Hiliary Clinton matter was handled was law enforcement at its finest. I am not going to debate someone who is making stuff up and is so dumb as to believe the FBI's tale about Russian disinformation with Hunter's laptop.Now that irony has died among wingers, I suppose it is up to me to remind you that Baghdad Bob's laughable silliness was that he reported a false and rosy picture of what was happening in Iraq during the Iraq War despite the actual, verifiable facts to the contrary.
You know, exactly like when wingers proudly proclaim Trump "kept the peace!" despite the actual, verifiable fact to the contrary that the USA was actively engaged in war for every second of every minute of every hour of every day of every week of every month of every year of Trump's so-called presidency.
Um. The condition of the USA not being actively engaged in a war anywhere on the planet, otherwise known as "Peace", occurred for the first time in decades under Joe Biden, not Donald Trump.
Baghdad much there, Bob?
Oh, and the investigation of Trump's extraordinary and troubling devotion and allegiance to Russia over America and our allies was totally justified and legitimate.
Trump's own assigned invesigation into the matter proved that:
How the Durham inquiry backfired to show weaponization of Trump DoJ
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/10/donald-trump-fbi-durham-investigation
And what you lovingly refer to as "Russiagate" was also very good and beneficial for America, too! As witnessed by the outcome of the 2020 presidential election and keeping that Redrawn Districts Repub election rigging down to a historically pathetic Pink Tinkle in the 2022 midterms.
Good job, America!
CheckMate1
03-04-23, 14:07
LOL. The problem is not my reading comprehension. It is your imagination. Elon Musk saw these files. He gave them to independent journalists he trusted. No one is disputing the facts except you, and you are not even disputing the facts. You are disputing whether he is qualified to publish said facts. You cannot fight the what so you are gong after the who.
Bottom line is the FBI is not disputing the facts, but you are, and what does that say about you? Hell, you probably still believe Russiagate was real.
When you say the FBI was concerned it was Russian information, I can just stop. You have your nose so far up the FBI's ass you cannot see them for what they are.
So members of Congress can censor but Congress as a whole cannot?
I never said it would have changed the election. I said the last three elections have been rigged by the FBI. I do not know what would have happened if they quit rigging them.
It looks like Tooms has some competition for the Bagdad Bob role. Obviously, in your eyes, the way the Hiliary Clinton matter was handled was law enforcement at its finest. I am not going to debate someone who is making stuff up and is so dumb as to believe the FBI's tale about Russian disinformation with Hunter's laptop.1.
"I am honored by the invitation and grateful for the opportunity to offer testimony to Congress next week on the abuses of power and threats to freedom of expression that the Twitter Files revealed. " Shellenberger -twitter.
So he will have his time for members to ask him questions regarding this.
See unlike you, I wait for the answers. When it is all said and done, the facts are what they are, and I can accept that. You take things at face value, get led by the nose, and then get bent out of shape if the end result doesn't match what your mind determined it should be at the begining.
2. "Instead they followed around Rudy Giuliani who had a copy of the drive as well. When Giuliani talked to the NY Post, the FBI told the media to be concerned that there was going to be a story on Hunter Biden that had "all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation". " Post #12099.
I repeated your words as a summation. Case in point, Reading Comprehension.
3.
Yes, last checked individual members are also "individual citizens". Nowhere in that paragraph was "congress as a whole" or "censor" was mentioned. Reading Comprehension / imagination.
4.
My fault, I attributed what Chris said to you. You have not made that assertion.
5.
I thought my sentence was brief enough to make simple statement of letting go of something that didn't happen. Here it is again, You are stuck on Hilary.
The statement did not opine on how the case was handle. Merely stated that case is, as of now, closed.
The FBI assessment is they tried to warn the american public that Russia was sowing doubt and division among the american citizen by any means, Hunter's laptop just happened to be the shining object at the time for them to exploit. Did the Russian know about the laptop was in that shop, and that the dude made copies because drugged out Hunter didn't pick it up? Probably not. But they also knew that if they made this a "thing", maybe they can have Americans argued about it and potentially divides itself, and better yet fight with one another, figuratively and literally.
The FBI affirmed this assessment in the previous administation, and the current administration maintains that stance. I'll take assessment as that, until proven otherwise. Nothing about make anything up to argue with you. You don't trust the FBI. That's cool, that's your opinion and your privilege as a citizen.
My stance has always been Businesses can do whatever they want within the parameters of the law.
Anyone who break the law should be held to account, through the judicial process. This shouldn't be controversial. You're just impatient.
Elvis 2008
03-04-23, 20:31
1.
"I am honored by the invitation and grateful for the opportunity to offer testimony to Congress next week on the abuses of power and threats to freedom of expression that the Twitter Files revealed. " Shellenberger -twitter.
So he will have his time for members to ask him questions regarding this.
See unlike you, I wait for the answers.You mean you have no clue what Shellenberger said in the Twitter files because you did not read one damned word he wrote.
I repeated your words as a summation. Case in point, Reading Comprehension.Yes, and you understood none of it. The FBI got Hunter Biden's laptop from an American citizen. You are too dense to see the FBI made up all that Russian disinformation bullshit to censor the story.
Yes, last checked individual members are also "individual citizens". Nowhere in that paragraph was "congress as a whole" or "censor" was mentioned. Reading Comprehension / imagination.https://www.carnegielibrary.org/the-first-amendment-and-censorship/
"The First Amendment only protects your speech from government censorship. It applies to federal, state, and local government actors. This is a broad category that includes not only lawmakers and elected officials, but also public schools and universities, courts, and police officers. ".
Like with the Twitter files, you checked nothing.
I thought my sentence was brief enough to make simple statement of letting go of something that didn't happen. Here it is again, You are stuck on Hilary.No, I am stuck on the FBI. Bleaching files? Having the FBI versus the AG decide to prosecute or not? The AG having a closed door meeting with a former president who might have offered up a prize in case she did not prosecute and then taking herself off the case? Oh yeah, that was all business as usual with the FBI and Democrats.
The FBI assessment is they tried to warn the american public that Russia was sowing doubt and division among the american citizen by any means, Hunter's laptop just happened to be the shining object at the time for them to exploit. Did the Russian know about the laptop was in that shop, and that the dude made copies because drugged out Hunter didn't pick it up? Probably not. But they also knew that if they made this a "thing", maybe they can have Americans argued about it and potentially divides itself, and better yet fight with one another, figuratively and literally.Are you doing PR for the FBI?
Anyone who break the law should be held to account, through the judicial process. This shouldn't be controversial.Right, it is not like the FBI treated Hiliary Clinton and Biden differently than Trump.
Checkmate, just curious, do you have any clue what the purpose of the first amendment is?
You mean you have no clue what Shellenberger said in the Twitter files because you did not read one damned word he wrote.
Yes, and you understood none of it. The FBI got Hunter Biden's laptop from an American citizen. You are too dense to see the FBI made up all that Russian disinformation bullshit to censor the story.
https://www.carnegielibrary.org/the-first-amendment-and-censorship/
"The First Amendment only protects your speech from government censorship. It applies to federal, state, and local government actors. This is a broad category that includes not only lawmakers and elected officials, but also public schools and universities, courts, and police officers. ".
Like with the Twitter files, you checked nothing.
No, I am stuck on the FBI. Bleaching files? Having the FBI versus the AG decide to prosecute or not? The AG having a closed door meeting with a former president who might have offered up a prize in case she did not prosecute and then taking herself off the case? Oh yeah, that was all business as usual with the FBI and Democrats.
Are you doing PR for the FBI?
Right, it is not like the FBI treated Hiliary Clinton and Biden differently than Trump.
Checkmate, just curious, do you have any clue what the purpose of the first amendment is?Everything with you is confirmation bias-based.
The "twitter files" show what you want them to show because you have blocked out everything that doesn't confirm your opinion.
Let the Repubs investigate all they want. Any Twitter files investigation will be a nothing-burger. Repub investigators come up with nothing more than the Durham Report did. You remember that, don't you? The Durham Report? The report that took two years to produce and was supposed to bring down the deep state and the swamp and all the rest. The Durham Report went over like the lead balloon that it was. It was a nothing-burger. Just like the Hunter Biden laptop story will be a nothing-burger. Just like every single thing that the wingers will investigate until the next election. A big nothing-burger.
Great clip of Bernie in UK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgoPQS1kBUw
CheckMate1
03-08-23, 01:32
You mean you have no clue what Shellenberger said in the Twitter files because you did not read one damned word he wrote.
Yes, and you understood none of it. The FBI got Hunter Biden's laptop from an American citizen. You are too dense to see the FBI made up all that Russian disinformation bullshit to censor the story.
https://www.carnegielibrary.org/the-first-amendment-and-censorship/
"The First Amendment only protects your speech from government censorship. It applies to federal, state, and local government actors. This is a broad category that includes not only lawmakers and elected officials, but also public schools and universities, courts, and police officers. ".
Like with the Twitter files, you checked nothing.
No, I am stuck on the FBI. Bleaching files? Having the FBI versus the AG decide to prosecute or not? The AG having a closed door meeting with a former president who might have offered up a prize in case she did not prosecute and then taking herself off the case? Oh yeah, that was all business as usual with the FBI and Democrats.
Are you doing PR for the FBI?
Right, it is not like the FBI treated Hiliary Clinton and Biden differently than Trump.
Checkmate, just curious, do you have any clue what the purpose of the first amendment is?Unlike you, I know when to say enough is enough. I shall used my blocking feature now. Good luck on your twitter hunt.
Here's a quote that perfectly sums up FUX Snooze: "It's now just about impossible to argue Fox is a legitimate journalistic entity. The now-public communications highlight that the network believes its primary purpose is to spoon-feed carefully curated propaganda to its audience — not to deliver news. ".
This quote sums it up perfectly. I'd have said "all bullshit all the time" but that's my perspective. FUX Snooze does have a few people who sort of have integrity but they are being drowned out by the "hosts" (Carlson, Ingraham, Hannity and the like) who know that FUX Snooze viewers are idiots and have said so in private.
Of course, the Repubs on the board will, as usual, trash the source. https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-executives-discussed-plan-211019570.html.
Take for example, the right-Wing Neo-Nazi Atomwaffen leader and girlfriend duo, targeted and wanted to attack and blow-up, about five (5) power sub-stations, located in a ring around Baltimore, Maryland, all in the same day.
ROFL, sure. What actually happened, as in the Gretchen Whitmer "kidnap" hoax and the Jan 6 hoax, is that federal agents deliberately targeted a handful of doofuses, whipped them up into a frenzy, set them up with money and gear, then swooped on them.
They used to do this quite a bit with American Muslims 15 years ago. The media noticed and reported on it. But now that it's white men who are being targeted, the fake news of course turns a blind eye.
In the sensible and law-governed America of the past, that would have been rightly thrown out of court and the agents fired if not prosecuted themselves for politically-motivated entrapment.
But this is not the America of old. This is the America of the Jewish Attorney-General Merrick Garland, who set the feds on parents concerned about their elementary age children. The America of Kamala Harris, who cheered on a leftist mob that attacked the White House, while feigning shock over the Jan 6 nothingburger.
The Guardian newspaper, of all outlets, admitted that the leader of this "neo-nazi" movement has a CAGE code! That is a code you require in order to be paid by the federal government.
"Was the Base a honeypot designed to entrap people?
Beginning in 2009 and until as late as 2019, Nazzaro billed himself as an intelligence expert working with various government and military agencies.
Nazzaro is the principal of an LLC called Omega Solutions International (OSI), a company offering a range of intelligence and security contracting.
Its website, which was removed from the Internet some time after August 2019, boasted of the firm's "experience conducting intelligence analysis for government agencies, military organizations, and private businesses", as well as access to a network of seasoned security professionals with expertise in counterterrorism, counterinsurgency, homeland security, hostage rescue / negotiations, psychological operations, and more.
The firm also has a Cage Code, which is an administrative requirement for military and government contractors. ".
The "leader" of this so-called "neo-nazi" movement has a Cage code in order to be paid by the feds. Let that sink in.
Meanwhile, the actual violent terrorism that actually happens (mass burning and looting of cities) is committed entirely by leftists, cheered on by the media and democrat leaders, while the feds do nothing about it.
TK, he says globohomo. I am not speaking for Chris but I would imagine he agrees with this. There is this excellent and popular show called Breaking Point with Krystal Ball and Saagar Enjeti. She is a liberal, and he is conservative, and you would be amazed at how much they agree.
Bernie Sanders proposed making community college free. He was blown off as stupid and we were told we could not afford it when in fact it would cost $80 billion a year. We have already spent $100 billion on Ukraine for a war that we provoked with Russia. The globohomo agenda is funded by Wall Street and the military industrial complex to make certain money keeps coming to them by distracting from the real issues where Republicans and Democrats would agree. A bill that government pays for college will NEVER be voted on in my lifetime because Wall Street banks make too many $ off the loans, but a vote on military aid to Ukraine was a sure thing.
Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell have made disgusting amounts of money trading stocks on insider information. There will NEVER be a bill sent for a vote to ban Congressional insider trading in my lifetime, but you better believe they will pass some bill regarding hate speech.
With health care and the defense industry, you will NEVER see a bill sent for a vote on a public option of Medicare for all. I will also NEVER see an audit of the defense industry in my lifetime. However, you will see plenty of bills and laws aimed at limiting production of fossil fuels to "save the planet".
The Democratic douches here are like the cult members of true believers. Instead of empowering the people even with voting, they do not care about that. They only care if Democrats win. If the FBI rigs an election ot two, they are cool with that. As long as the Democratic douches subscribe to the globohomo agenda, issues like soaring education costs, Congressional insider trading, health care, and the out of control defense department will continue to be problems.
For all the shit said about Trump, he kept the peace. If he were re-elected, there would not have been a war in Ukraine. Instead of recognizing that, we see Democratic douches wearing their yellow and blue lapels and criticizing anyone who questions the end game in Ukraine or questions spending $100 billion earmarked for killing people as a Putin puppet.
Cheering on war and demonizing the man who would have prevented it is part of the globohomo agenda. As long as they can keep red and blue bickering, the money will keep rolling in.A reasonably good definition of Globohomo at urbandictionary: "(noun, can also be used as an adjective) A portmanteau of the words "global" (or "globalist") and "homosexual. " Used to sarcastically denote the predominant philosophy espoused by the Western economic elite, formally known as "neoliberalism". It combines ruthless capitalism by transnational corporations with a façade of socially-liberal politics.
The ultimate end state of Globohomo is one in which all sexual, ethnic, racial and national identity is broken down, leaving the demoralized masses to work for $12 an hour in an Amazon warehouse while a small cadre of billionaires rule over them. A poignant vision of Globohomo can be found in Aldous Huxley's 1932 novel, "Brave New World". ".
It leaves out the frankly satanic ferocity with which Globohomo attempts to indoctrinate and sexualize small children (perhaps a plan hatched between Bill Gates and the Clintons on Epstein Island) but is broadly correct.
Of course, first world white people in general are far wealthier than third worlders, due to our higher IQ, creativity, organization and industry. It is therefore white people whose living standards must be brought down most sharply to make them part of the vast, globalized, demoralised, impoverished mass. And our countries that must be invaded to bring us down to third world levels.
Excellent point about the cost of the Ukraine war.
Why do we even care about a border skirmish in the former USSR? They happen all the time. There was one just before this war, between Armenia and Azerbaijan (both former soviet republics). Nobody knew or cared about it. They only reason it got any coverage at all was because the Kardashians are Armenian and they heavily publicized it.
One thing I will say about Medicare is that it could never work with open borders. The British National Health Service has been completely overrun by the vast number of immigrants pouring into the country. You literally have to wait years for a standard operation. For it to work, it would have to be restricted to US citizens only, otherwise it would be just another magnet to attract even more useless low IQ turd world dipshits that the Biden regime and deep state just wave across the border.
As for college loans, yes indeed it is a big Wall Street scam: another element of the deep state profiteering at the expense of Americans. Tucker Carlson made yet another excellent point on this: the universities should also be held liable if their student doesn't repay the loan.
Right now, the universities are letting in any doofus regardless of whether he or she can realistically graduate and find employment, because it's free money for them (money which is filtered back to the democrat party and various globohomo agendas by woke leftist academia). If the universities were on the hook for these loans, they would think much harder about which students they let in, and which bullshit "intersectional gender white privilege gibsmedat theory" courses they would cut.
Okay repair shop made two copies, Rudy and FBI. Rudy talked to NY POST, and FBI was concerned that it could be Russian disinformation. NY POST wrote the story anyway. So that story was out there by a news media. As well, since Rudy had a copy, couldn't he completely release it in any other forum beside Facebook or Twitter, you know like https://rudygiulianics.com/ or Fox News, or any of the thousand websites; blogs; etc. Yet the FBI somehow muzzled the universe, but you were able to get the information.
Firstly, the FBI knew perfectly well it had nothing to do with Russia. Your suggestion that the poor, helpless, hapless little FBI had no idea what was going on is entirely laughable. The feds had had the laptop for some time and were certain that it was authentic, as we all now know. That they hid this fact for political reasons is one of the reasons the organization needs to be disbanded.
Secondly, yes, the fact is that information distribution has become so dominated by Twitter, Facebook and Google that if those organizations collude (with, disgracefully, the politicized FBI) to ban and block something it has little chance of getting out to the wider public. They are the new public square. Which is why the First Amendment must be enforced upon them for it to have any meaning.
The Durham Report? Unfortunately, when Durham brought prosecutions they took place in Washington DC, which is 95% democrat and full of swamp creatures. So the jurors were picked from a tainted pool, and knew they had to acquit no matter what.
This is indicative of the arrogance of the globohomo deep state swamp and its followers. They no longer consider themselves beholden to law, and act only to further their own power and attack and hurt their enemies (heritage Americans). This is a problem which cannot be fixed short of drastic action.
Fascinating investigation about Israeli hacking, disinformation and election-meddling:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/15/revealed-disinformation-team-jorge-claim-meddling-elections-tal-hanan
"A team of Israeli contractors who claim to have manipulated more than 30 elections around the world using hacking, sabotage and automated disinformation on social media has been exposed in a new investigation. The unit is run by Tal Hanan, a 50-year-old former Israeli special forces operative.
Hanan told the undercover reporters that his services, which others describe as "black ops", were available to intelligence agencies, political campaigns and private companies that wanted to secretly manipulate public opinion. He said they had been used across Africa, South and Central America, the US and Europe.
One of Team Jorge's key services is a sophisticated software package, Advanced Impact Media Solutions, or Aims. It controls a vast army of thousands of fake social media profiles on Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook, Telegram, Gmail, Instagram and YouTube. Some avatars even have Amazon accounts with credit cards, bitcoin wallets and Airbnb accounts.
Hanan appears to have run at least some of his disinformation operations through an Israeli company, Demoman International, which is registered on a website run by the Israeli Ministry of Defense to promote defence exports.
Hanan described his team as "graduates of government agencies", with expertise in finance, social media and campaigns, as well as "psychological warfare".
In his initial pitch to the potential clients, Hanan claimed: "We are now involved in one election in Africa. We have a team in Greece and a team in the Emirates. You follow the leads. We have completed 33 presidential-level campaigns, 27 of which were successful. " Later, he said he was involved in two "major projects" in the US".
Wow. Quite a read.
Here we have clear evidence of Israeli international hacking, disinformation and election-meddling carried out by individuals and organizations with strong links to the Israeli government.
And yet you will notice the story is from a month ago. Have you heard anything about it since? In the New York Times? On CNN?
Do you think if such a vast, well-organized hacking, disinformation and election-meddling network had been exposed in Russia with links to the Russian government, the media would have been so strangely quiet? Hell, they've been talking about things like this in Russia without any evidence. Even The Guardian hasn't published any follow-up om the Israel story.
Almost as if some very powerful people who control finance and media got it shut down.
Remind me, who owns and runs the majority of finance and media in the US? I believe Kanye West mentioned it recently. Whatever happened to him?
Just in case people were confused about all this "Drag Queen story hour" stuff, the sexualization of children by leftists via "gender identity" classes which are kept hidden from parents, seeing children castrated and having healthy breasts cut off, and wondering the underlying reason beneath the skin of the Globohomo Agenda, here are a couple of stories which perhaps shed a little light:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/03/california-legislature-passes-bill-reduce-penalties-oral-anal-sex-willing-children/
"California lawmakers led by Jewish senator Scott Weiner passed a bill Monday that would reduce penalties for adults who have oral or anal sex with a willing minor child".
https://nypost.com/2023/03/03/accused-pedo-mayor-patrick-wojahn-called-pete-buttigieg-his-buddy/
"Patrick Wojahn, the gay Maryland mayor busted on charges of possessing child pornography Thursday has had a longtime mentor-mentee relationship with President Biden's embattled Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg. Former College Park Mayor Wojahn, 47, has credited Buttigieg's "mentorship" with helping him advance his career in interviews. ".
Here's a quote that perfectly sums up FUX Snooze: "It's now just about impossible to argue Fox is a legitimate journalistic entity. The now-public communications highlight that the network believes its primary purpose is to spoon-feed carefully curated propaganda to its audience not to deliver news. ".
This quote sums it up perfectly. I'd have said "all bullshit all the time" but that's my perspective. FUX Snooze does have a few people who sort of have integrity but they are being drowned out by the "hosts" (Carlson, Ingraham, Hannity and the like) who know that FUX Snooze viewers are idiots and have said so in private.
Of course, the Repubs on the board will, as usual, trash the source. https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-executives-discussed-plan-211019570.html.Now that the whole decades long Fux "News" scam has gone down in flames in a historic epic fail, we see the sucker wingers who believed the bullshit that and its wannabe copy bullshit winger sources shoveled down their eager throats while the rest of the world laughed at them have abandoned ship and are now seeking out even goofier, more ridiculous bullshit to believe in.
"Globohomoism" is it now?
Lololol.
P. T. Barnum way under-estimated the frequency.
These studies say it all. Although the studies are somewhat old (6 and 12 years old), they identify why conservatives are so fearful.
"Most societies are divided into a party that wants change (the more liberal party) and one that is afraid of change (the conservatives). The liberal party is generally more intellectual and the conservative party is more anti-intellectual.
The conservative party is big on national defense and magnifies our perception of threat, whether of foreign aggressors, immigrants, terrorists, or invading ideologies like Communism. To a conservative, the world really is a frightening place. " https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds.
And "Beyond differences in personality traits (see Table 1), the literature emphasizes differences in sensitivity and reactivity to negative stimuli, threat, and disgust between those on the extremes of a political conservative-liberal axis. Political conservatives, compared with political liberals, are more likely to interpret, attend to, remember, and respond to negative aspects of environmental stimuli, especially if they are novel and different. This "negativity bias" is evident in studies showing that political conservatism compared with liberalism is associated with greater, faster, and longer attentional focusing on negative images and greater physiological measures of arousal to them. Political conservatives compared with political liberals have a greater sense of threat from the same stimuli and show larger physiological responses to ambiguous stimuli. Political conservatives compared with political liberals are also more prone to respond with disgust to various situations, particularly if they violate a sense of purity. " https://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.neuropsych.16030051.
We see these traits every time a conservative posts and every time a liberal posts. Conservatives continually post about hating everything that's "different" and they continually post about negative things. And politicians like Donnie the Dumbass and Ron DeathSantis know how to play to the things that their base fears.
Elvis 2008
03-13-23, 17:56
Everything with you is confirmation bias-based.
The "twitter files" show what you want them to show because you have blocked out everything that doesn't confirm your opinion.Well, you are right that Twitter pre-Elon Musk was doing things that so many people were complaining about Twitter, that there was some confirmation bias of their censorship, but if you think you scored with that, then you missed the point. It was the extent of censorship from so many government agencies that was so staggering.
And the both siders you douches like to criticize are not your base. No for you douches, the base is a bunch of slugs collecting government checks and pensions. The Dems, who have to work for a living and deal with real bureaucratic bullshit, have long worshipped Matt Taibbi's honesty and integrity. And after resisting for so long, he and people like Glenn Greenwald have had to go onto Fox to be interviewed to be heard.
So while you douches are after something burgers which I guess means putting people in jail, law enforcement took a huge hit that you may not have noticed. And that is after their talking a huge hit for the 1-6 tapes given to Tucker Carlson, https://nypost.com/2023/03/07/jan-6-footage-shows-doj-court-focused-on-shamans-costume-not-crime/.
In short, why was LE seeing if people were violating Twitter's terms of service versus being concerned with people actually breaking the law? Isn't people breaking the law what LE is all about? That was something a Republican Congressman asked these two "so called journalists". The journalists were asked if there was anything about breaking the law or illegal activity that was seen? And the answer was the government agencies never mentioned illegal activity in all their requests.
In general, Republicans are pro law enforcement so it is going to take incident after incident for them to see the FBI for what it is, a partisan apparatus. And now that they control the House, the Republicans are going to be scrutinizing every dime the FBI gets. This is not going to make splashy headlines, so you can blow it off as a nothing burger, but the Twitter files hearing had a hugely negative impact on these government agencies and the hacks the Democrats put up to protect said agencies failed horribly.
Still, even in a week with the Twitter Files and 1-6 tapes, this was the story of the week: The House voted unanimously Friday to declassify USA Intelligence information about the origins of COVID-19, a sweeping show of bipartisan support near the third anniversary of the start of the deadly pandemic.
The 419-0 vote was final approval of the bill, sending it to President Joe Biden's desk to be signed into law. End of story.
I am sure to you that this is a big nothing burger as well but to me, it is a reading of the tea leaves with regards to China, the 2024 election, and the bureaucracy running things.
More from the DVS (Dominion Voting Systems) lawsuit proceedings...
On Nov 8th, 2020, Maria Bartiromo, had Trump's lawyer Sidney Powell on as a guest, to share her earth shattering evidence on how the election was stolen. Turns out, the night before Sidney Powell forwarded an email to Ms. Bartiromo, from her "source", the person who she based her gigantic claims of election fraud on.
Now get this, in the email, Sidney Powell's loony, nutjob, cuckoo bananas source, claims she got the the information from "the wind", as she explains:
"It's more like time-travel in a semi-conscious state ... The Wind tells me ... I'm a ghost" and that "I was in a car accident in 1992 ... I was internally decapitated ... and yet, I continue to walk the earth."
Meet the Ghost Woman Fox Relied on for Voter Fraud Claims
https://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-the-ghost-minnesota-artist-fox-relied-on-for-voter-fraud-claims
This is the right-wing lunacy, bonkers, nutjob and banana republic, the Repubs have turned into and it won't matter who the fuck is driving this short bus.
These studies say it all. Although the studies are somewhat old (6 and 12 years old), they identify why conservatives are so fearful. ...
We see these traits every time a conservative posts and every time a liberal posts. Conservatives continually post about hating everything that's "different" and they continually post about negative things. And politicians like Donnie the Dumbass and Ron DeathSantis know how to play to the things that their base fears.
Agreed. For the wingers, it always the "boogeyman" coming to get ya!
Or in modern day terms (as in the past, although the list today has expanded), the Conservatives would have you believe, it's the Jews, the gays/LGBTQ, the Women, the Blacks, the Latinos, the Native Indians, the Muslims, the Asians, the immigrants...etc, are all coming to get ya.
Is there a minority group that they don't target? How do you think Hitler came to power?
In short, why was LE seeing if people were violating Twitter's terms of service versus being concerned with people actually breaking the law? Isn't people breaking the law what LE is all about? That was something a Republican Congressman asked these two "so called journalists". The journalists were asked if there was anything about breaking the law or illegal activity that was seen? And the answer was the government agencies never mentioned illegal activity in all their requests.
Real law enforcement, ie locally elected sheriffs directly answerable to the people in their district, are indeed concerned with people breaking the law. Unfortunately, the FBI and the rest of the alphabet agencies are not law enforcement; they are Swamp defenders.
Their purpose is to protect The Agenda (open borders / Great Replacement, faggotry, feminism, anti-white hate, anti-Christian hate, rigged mail-in "elections", etc: we all know the drill by now). This is why they must be disbanded.
A dumbass.
To show you have absolutely dumb he is, now he's blaming Mike Pence for January 6th because if Mike had gone along with Donnie's cockamamie plan there would have been no violence. https://news.yahoo.com/trump-blames-mike-pence-jan-221444807.html.
The really sad part is that many charter members of the moron brigade ALREADY FEEL THIS WAY.
More from the DVS (Dominion Voting Systems) lawsuit proceedings...
On Nov 8th, 2020, Maria Bartiromo, had Trump's lawyer Sidney Powell on as a guest, to share her earth shattering evidence on how the election was stolen. Turns out, the night before Sidney Powell forwarded an email to Ms. Bartiromo, from her "source", the person who she based her gigantic claims of election fraud on.
Now get this, in the email, Sidney Powell's loony, nutjob, cuckoo bananas source, claims she got the the information from "the wind", as she explains:
"It's more like time-travel in a semi-conscious state ... The Wind tells me ... I'm a ghost" and that "I was in a car accident in 1992 ... I was internally decapitated ... and yet, I continue to walk the earth."
Meet the Ghost Woman Fox Relied on for Voter Fraud Claims
https://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-the-ghost-minnesota-artist-fox-relied-on-for-voter-fraud-claims
This is the right-wing lunacy, bonkers, nutjob and banana republic, the Repubs have turned into and it won't matter who the fuck is driving this short bus.The RePutinKlan Party is all about State Run Media.
While he was pressuring Twitter to self-censor negative tweets about him, so-called president Trump was also literally directing the Fake News Bullshit shoveled down the open, eager and accepting throats of Fux News' winger viewers:
Trump would make aides call Fox to complain about poor coverage and get them to fix it, ex-press secretary says
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-fox-news-stephanie-grisham-b2299150.html
"We did work hand in hand with Fox News. And that came at the president's direction," she said. "If he didnt like something, we would immediately call Fox and have them fix it or try to make a news story out of it."
I thought you had that one figured out Chris? Or did the butt-sex talk confuse you?Lots of interesting points here Chris:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmbfS6DsvNo
You didn't answer the question. What is a woman?There are several definitions. My own opinion is that a woman is a person that believes they are a woman, and is not a man that is certified as insane. Similar definition for a man. That leaves some grey area, and these would be non-binary. Or certified insane.
Do you accept the definition of "woman" as "adult human female"? A simple yes or no will do.Biologically, sure, why not?
Are you really so confused, aggrieved and aggravated over what to do about pronouns in the English language that it has turned your world view upside down and inside out?
Poor thing. Do you know that the word for boyfriend and girlfriend is the same in the Thai language?
If you lived here you might have needed to be talked down off the ledge several times by now over just that one issue.
There are several definitions.LOL.
My own opinion is that a woman is a person that believes they are a womanBelieves they are a what? That is a circular definition.
and is not a man that is certified as insane.The fact that a man thinks he is a woman or vice versa defines him or her as insane. This insanity was called gender dysphoria and was recognised till a few years ago when Globohomo Swamp ZOG Clownworld got their fangs into the American Psychiatric Association and forced them to change it from "mental illness" to "stunning and brave".
But I must admit, this is why I prefer JustTK to the standard dem douches. They will obfuscate and avoid the question because they know how ridiculous their leftist dogma looks. JustTK answers honestly, regardless how wacky.
Anyway, I'll leave it to Troy McClure to explain reality on this matter:
Biologically, sure, why not?
Are you really so confused, aggrieved and aggravated over what to do about pronouns in the English language that it has turned your world view upside down and inside out?
Poor thing. Do you know that the word for boyfriend and girlfriend is the same in the Thai language?
If you lived here you might have needed to be talked down off the ledge several times by now over just that one issue.Not really. The word "lover" can be used by men or women. Rather different from targeting children with tranny propaganda then chopping their dicks and tits off.
But given your, ahem, "fluid" stance on this matter, I'm starting to realize why you decided to live in Thailand. No hate here buddy. You do you. Just leave the kids out of it.
Elvis 2008
03-15-23, 04:32
There are several definitions. No, a definition is definitive. A woman is an adult female. Period. And a rose by any other name is still a rose.
My own opinion is that a woman is a person that believes they are a womanBelief should have nothing to do with definitions, and the notion an adult female and adult male who thinks they are a woman are the same is insane. Trans men need a name, and they can pick whatever name they want to call themselves, but woman is off limits.
The problem with when you go fooling around with existing definitions of words is tyranny is so easily accomplished. When words and definitions are subjected to opinion, the value of law is quickly eroded, and tyranny is all but ensured.
Not really. The word "lover" can be used by men or women. Rather different from targeting children with tranny propaganda then chopping their dicks and tits off.
But given your, ahem, "fluid" stance on this matter, I'm starting to realize why you decided to live in Thailand. No hate here buddy. You do you. Just leave the kids out of it.Insanity ought to be redefined to include you thinking any such legislation, law or government supported movement is doing what your fever dream nightmares apparently conjured up all on their own.
Here's a better questiion that actually pertains to real legislation and real laws and a real movement that authoritarian Big Big Big Government wingers want to force upon real people;.
What is a baby?
Insanity ought to be redefined to include you thinking any such legislation, law or government supported movement is doing what your fever dream nightmares apparently conjured up all on their own.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11619823/Detransitioner-Chloe-Cole-slams-breast-removal-op-endured-aged-15-child-protection-appeal.html
"Cole, 18, said she was coerced into taking puberty blockers and having both breasts surgically removed when she was 15, and warned of other minors being misdiagnosed and pushed into similar operations. "
Faced with the factual reality above, do you withdraw your previous comment?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11619823/Detransitioner-Chloe-Cole-slams-breast-removal-op-endured-aged-15-child-protection-appeal.html
"Cole, 18, said she was coerced into taking puberty blockers and having both breasts surgically removed when she was 15, and warned of other minors being misdiagnosed and pushed into similar operations. "
Faced with the factual reality above, do you withdraw your previous comment?"They kind of watered it down", said a girl who voluntarily chose breast removal at age 15 and that is your long, long, long researched evidence that some mysterious group is targeting children with tranny propaganda then chopping their dicks and tits off?
Seriously?
"They are literally chopping off the private parts of young kids." - Said Mega Liar Donald Trump wannabe Ron DeSantis.
MOSTLY FALSE.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/aug/10/ron-desantis/transition-related-surgery-limited-teens-not-young/
We found no examples of "young kids" receiving transition-related surgery. The Florida Department of Health differentiates between children - under 10 - and adolescents - between 10 and 18. DeSantis' office provided PolitiFact with two cases involving adolescents.
....
That is not true under any existing medical guidelines," said Dr. Jack Turban, assistant professor of child and adolescent psychiatry at the University of California, San Francisco. "No medical or surgical interventions are considered for prepubertal children."
The governor's office sent PolitiFact two examples of people who received transition-related surgeries in their mid to late teenage years one at 15 and one at 17. DeSantis' Florida Department of Health differentiates between children (under 10) and adolescents (10-18).BTW, what is a baby?
CheckMate1
03-18-23, 19:44
Firstly, the FBI knew perfectly well it had nothing to do with Russia. Your suggestion that the poor, helpless, hapless little FBI had no idea what was going on is entirely laughable. The feds had had the laptop for some time and were certain that it was authentic, as we all now know. That they hid this fact for political reasons is one of the reasons the organization needs to be disbanded.
Secondly, yes, the fact is that information distribution has become so dominated by Twitter, Facebook and Google that if those organizations collude (with, disgracefully, the politicized FBI) to ban and block something it has little chance of getting out to the wider public. They are the new public square. Which is why the First Amendment must be enforced upon them for it to have any meaning."That they hid this fact for political reasons is one of the reasons the organization needs to be disbanded. ".
You said reasons, what are the others?
"Which is why the First Amendment must be enforced upon them for it to have any meaning. ".
Spin it how you want, to advocate that a government throw a person in jail; or company in jail for publishing or not publishing opinions, thoughts, facts, is against the 1st Amendment you are fighting to protect.
You are advocating that the GOVERNMENT forces certain businesses to publish stuff on their website, and that they can not regulate themselves.
CheckMate1
03-18-23, 20:43
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11619823/Detransitioner-Chloe-Cole-slams-breast-removal-op-endured-aged-15-child-protection-appeal.html
"Cole, 18, said she was coerced into taking puberty blockers and having both breasts surgically removed when she was 15, and warned of other minors being misdiagnosed and pushed into similar operations. "
Faced with the factual reality above, do you withdraw your previous comment?If that family was deceived by the physician, they should sue the hell out of that doctor.
What is convoluted about this discussion is using buzz words to make a point. "Genital Mutulations".
Total (mastectomy with prior gender dysphoria diagnosis) is 282 between age 13-17 in 2021. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/ Under subtitle "Top Surgeries".
Total number of breast augmentation between age 13-19 in 2020 is 3233 https://www.plasticsurgery.org/documents/News/Statistics/2020/cosmetic-procedures-ages-13-19-2020.pdf.
No 2021 data, and the age is 2 years of "adulthood" so that will skewed the data. Assuming 90% are between 18-19, you still have over 300 underage augmentations. This is why artificial creating crisis usinging buzz words is so bad. It isn't about genital mutulations, it is about elected surgeries that people get. Parental consents before adult age is how these surgeries are legally performed.
As for people who regret that they had surgeries, LIFE decisions are very important.
"Which is why the First Amendment must be enforced upon them for it to have any meaning. ".
Spin it how you want, to advocate that a government throw a person in jail; or company in jail for publishing or not publishing opinions, thoughts, facts, is against the 1st Amendment you are fighting to protect.
You are advocating that the GOVERNMENT forces certain businesses to publish stuff on their website, and that they can not regulate themselves.Nobody need be thrown in jail. As Big Tech are platforms not publishers according to Section 230, large fines can be levied on them, increasing steeply with each infraction. Soon these fines will reach tens or hundreds of millions. If they are unpaid, the platform itself will be seized by the government, as is the case with a house on which fees and taxes are unpaid for a long period of time, and will be auctioned off to a new owner.
I'm confident that the owners of Big Tech would rather ensure First Amendment rights than potentially face hundreds of millions in fines and the ultimate loss of their platforms.
Alternatively, they may forego Section 230 protections, declare themselves publishers, and leave themselves open to legal action over anything written or said on them.
What they cannot keep doing is pretending to be neutral platforms while censoring and pushing woke Globohomo leftist Agenda.
Elvis 2008
03-21-23, 16:58
hat they cannot keep doing is pretending to be neutral platforms while censoring and pushing woke Globohomo leftist Agenda.Yeah, look at this nonsense called the Great Virality project.
https://twitter.com/mtaibbi
Taibbi wrote, "I dutifully got the vaccine and all boosters. The Virality Project (VP) shows a clear desire to deamplify or cover up true stories of side effects and is the first thing I've read that's made me think twice about the shot. Trying to force trust, they had the opposite effect."
4. All were characterized as "potential violations" or disinformation "events" by the Virality Project, a sweeping, cross-platform effort to monitor billons of social media posts by Stanford University, federal agencies, and a slew of (often state-funded) NGOs.
31. The Virality Project was specifically not based on "assertions of fact," but public submission to authority, acceptance of narrative, and pronouncements by figures like Anthony Fauci. The project's central / animating concept was, "You can't handle the truth. "
33. "This continual process of seeding doubt and uncertainty in authoritative voices," Graphika wrote, in a report sent to Twitter, "leads to a society that finds it too challenging to identify what's true or false. ".
35. A Cleveland Clinic study showed previous infection offered the "same immunity" as the vaccine, but VP said discovery was susbservient to narrative: "Whether or not. Scientific consensus is changing, 'natural immunity' is a key narrative. Among anti-vaccine activists. ".
34. For this reason, the CDC-partnered project focused often on disinformation "events" involving Fauci, saying "release of Fauci's emails foments distrust," and deriding assertions he "misled the public. ".
30. Even in its final report, VP claimed it was misinformation to suggest the vaccine does not prevent transmission, or that governments are planning to introduce vaccine passports. Both things turned out to be true.
24. The VP in April 2021 mistakenly described "breakthrough" infections as "extremely rare events" that should not be inferred to mean "vaccines are ineffective. ".
26. A few months later: "Breakthrough cases are happening. "
21. VP warned against people "just asking questions," implying it was a tactic "commonly used by spreaders of misinformation. " It also described a "Worldwide Rally for Freedom planned over Telegram" as a disinformation event.
20. The Virality Project helped pioneer the gauging of "disinformation" by audience response. If the post-vaccine death of a black woman named Drene Keyes in Virginia went unnoticed inspired mostly "anti-vaccine" comments on local media, it became a "disinformation" event.
16. VP routinely framed real testimonials about side effects as misinformation, from "true stories" of blood clots from AstraZeneca vaccines to a New York Times story about vaccine recipients who contracted the blood disorder thrombocytopenia.
14. VP told Twitter that "true stories that could fuel hesitancy," including things like "celebrity deaths after vaccine" or the closure of a central NY school due to reports of post-vaccine illness, should be considered "Standard Vaccine Misinformation on Your Platform. "
Add this all up and what you have is a government backed initiative with NGOs and Stanford spreading massive misinformation, downplaying the risk of Covid vaccines, exaggerating their benefits, and all while, big pharma racks up huge $. This is a horrific example of the damage censorship can do.
And poor Matt is back up in Congress and the Dems are hammering him instead of those people lying about Covid and the vaccine. I actually think Covid is going to be a big issue in 2024. The fact that the lab leak and China were downplayed because of dollars thrown at the Biden family and the fact that Desantis and not Trump stood up to these full of shit, dictatorial, medical bureaucrats.
CheckMate1
03-21-23, 18:48
Nobody need be thrown in jail. As Big Tech are platforms not publishers according to Section 230, large fines can be levied on them, increasing steeply with each infraction. Soon these fines will reach tens or hundreds of millions. If they are unpaid, the platform itself will be seized by the government, as is the case with a house on which fees and taxes are unpaid for a long period of time, and will be auctioned off to a new owner.
I'm confident that the owners of Big Tech would rather ensure First Amendment rights than potentially face hundreds of millions in fines and the ultimate loss of their platforms.
Alternatively, they may forego Section 230 protections, declare themselves publishers, and leave themselves open to legal action over anything written or said on them.
What they cannot keep doing is pretending to be neutral platforms while censoring and pushing woke Globohomo leftist Agenda.Both, political and hate speech are equally protected. If hate speech is protected under the 1st amendment, and any private ("platform") businesses can prevent those under their own rules and guidelines, would the government fine these businesses and seize their companies as well? You, Chris P or me, can't pick and choose which speech should be allowed and disallowed by private companies.
You would be okay with a government taking over private businesses? This sounds a lot like third world dictatorship stuff than capitalism.
Even if you assume that the government can levy fines on this situation, you wouldn't think a "Big Tech" company would fight this in court?
For better or for worse, big businesses, unlike the average american, have more leverage and deeper pocket to fight these.
And it is the plantiff (s) which has to prove that they have been harmed, which is steep hill to climb. Who would be the plantiff (s)?
Not a single case has made its way to the Supreme Court regarding First Amendment against ANY Social Media companies. This is why I see this as non event.
Elvis 2008
03-22-23, 00:24
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/700-nypd-riot-cops-mobilized-steel-barriers-deployed-ahead-potential-trump-arrest
700 NYPD Riot Cops Mobilized, Steel Barriers Deployed Ahead Of Potential Trump Arrest.
The New York Police Department (NYPD) has mobilized 700 riot cops and deployed steel barricades around the Manhattan Criminal Court in anticipation of civil disorder, should the Manhattan District Attorney's office order the arrest of former President Donald Trump, following a potential grand jury indictment for allegedly paying a former porn star for her silence ahead of his 2016 presidential campaign.
We have a case against Trump by a Soros backed New York the who literally lets criminals off with a slap on the wrist prosecuting a six year old federal charge that is beyond the statue of limitations. This charge was already looked into by the Feds and blown off, and the the's star witnesses are a felon and a porn star.
And so here we go again. You can just imagine what the Democratic douches will say, "It is the law" when in truth there is no way to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump paid the porn star and when it comes to the law and Democrats, they miraculously are never prosecuted.
The larger point though that the Democratic douches miss is now when Trump runs, you are no longer voting for Trump but against the swamp and for elections where voters and not Soros backed DAs choose who is president.
If you want us to believe the 2020 election was the fairest in history, ha ha, then the Dems should be welcoming Trump running again. The fact that they are pulling this legal crap just shows me what chicken shit cowards they really are, and that they believe that this time they cannot fix an election like the last one.
ErsatzJulian
03-22-23, 15:00
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11619823/Detransitioner-Chloe-Cole-slams-breast-removal-op-endured-aged-15-child-protection-appeal.html
"Cole, 18, said she was coerced into taking puberty blockers and having both breasts surgically removed when she was 15, and warned of other minors being misdiagnosed and pushed into similar operations. "
Faced with the factual reality above, do you withdraw your previous comment?How is this factual reality? The Daily Mail is not the most reliable source and it has a history of publishing inaccurate scare stories of science and medical research, so I would not point to it to assert that something is true.
This is a one-sided story in which you never hear from the other side. For all you know, Chloe Cole finds it more worthwhile now to be the poster child for conservatives against gender-affirming care that she is misrepresenting her position about the sex-change operation when she was about to undergo it.
Seems like that Elvis' "700 NYPD Riot Cops" thingy has only been reported by lunatic media so far, but honestly, I don't understand why NYPD shouldn't be prepared to deal with a potentially savage mob after what they did in DC. Does anyone really have any doubts about Trump's stormtroopers' propensity for violence?
Elvis 2008
03-23-23, 01:11
How is this factual reality? The Daily Mail is not the most reliable source and it has a history of publishing inaccurate scare stories of science and medical research, so I would not point to it to assert that something is true.Uh sorry, After Russiagate, Hunter Biden's laptop, and the fiascos with Covid, you dumb Dems do not get to say your sources are superior.
For all you know, Chloe Cole finds it more worthwhile now to be the poster child for conservatives against gender-affirming care that she is misrepresenting her position about the sex-change operation when she was about to undergo it.Here is an article with a link to the lawsuit, you pseudointellectual fool! It took me less than 60 seconds to find it: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-03-02/transgender-patients-chloe-cole-lawsuit-against-kaiser-lgbtq-rights.
And the point of your post was what exactly?
Uh sorry, After Russiagate, Hunter Biden's laptop, and the fiascos with Covid, you dumb Dems do not get to say your sources are superior.
Here is an article with a link to the lawsuit, you pseudointellectual fool! It took me less than 60 seconds to find it: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-03-02/transgender-patients-chloe-cole-lawsuit-against-kaiser-lgbtq-rights.
And the point of your post was what exactly?Evidently you believe that one person's dissatisfaction with the process means all transgenders feel the same way.
However, directly from the source you provided is this: "In fact, studies indicate that only 1% to 2% of transgender individuals "detransition," and that often happens because of discrimination and other social pressures, not because the patients genuinely feel they have made a mistake about their gender identity. ".
Weren't you one of the people who said of COVID that since it only has a mortality rate of 1% to 2%, it really isn't that big of a deal. Well, your own source says that only 1% to 2% of transgenders "detransition" so this too ought to be no big deal, right?
Unless, of course, you want to argue that being alive (after detransitioning) is worse than being dead (from COVID).
Uh sorry, After Russiagate, Hunter Biden's laptop, and the fiascos with Covid, you dumb Dems do not get to say your sources are superior.Uh, sorry but all three references here are meaty lunatic cow pies.
Good thing Elvis ignores my posts, I wouldn't want to upset him.
” My own opinion is that a woman is a person that believes they are a woman.”
Believes they are a what? That is a circular definition.In what way is it circular? It's simply a form of self-certification. Let me give you an example to demonstrate how legitimate my position is. Let's say I am dive leader on a cruise boat. Passenger comes onboard and wants to do w his dive computer and dive gear and wants to do the first dive, which is a deep water wreck dive. Who is the best position to assess if the diver can make this dive? Of course, the passenger himself. He is going to sign a liability release to say he has the right skills, and off he goes. Maybe never to come back. Hehe. Would that be circular too?
The fact that a man thinks he is a woman or vice versa defines him or her as insane. This insanity was called gender dysphoria and was recognised till a few years ago.
No, only a psychiatrist classifies someone as insane. I might think your insane based on your comments, but that's just a subjective opinion, and not grounded in scientific license. Gays were also once classed as insane, people who didn't belive in the bearded one in the sky too. Thank goodness for progress.
No, a definition is definitive. A woman is an adult female. Period. And a rose by any other name is still a rose.
Belief should have nothing to do with definitions, and the notion an adult female and adult male who thinks they are a woman are the same is insane. Trans men need a name, and they can pick whatever name they want to call themselves, but woman is off limits.
The problem with when you go fooling around with existing definitions of words is tyranny is so easily accomplished. When words and definitions are subjected to opinion, the value of law is quickly eroded, and tyranny is all but ensured.A linguistic prescriptivist! I had no idea you were French, Elvis.
"A woman is an adult female. ".
Well, that's one definition of the word, from a biological perspecive. BUt we both know words have multiple definitions. Look up "Male-Female Studded Rod end Joint" for a good example.
"adult male who thinks they are a woman are the same is insane".
Its far from insane if one's definition includes such people.
"Trans men need a name, and they can pick whatever name they want to call themselves, but woman is off limits. ".
Trans men call thmselves men, not women. So yes, I can see how you example would cause confusion.
"The problem with when you go fooling around with existing definitions of words is tyranny is so easily accomplished".
Its hard to keep up at times, I know. I remember when 'woke' simply meant being ethically aware of injustices, but I now learn it means a whole long list things that I never knew I was guity of.
Yeah, look at this nonsense called the Great Virality project.
Great post.
The one thing the authoritarian propagandists have got going for them is that the main stream media wer compliant in these lies and cover ups, so will continue to bury it as best they can. They are bought out just as much as the government is. Its just one big corruption mill.
Comeuppance time is finally here! And we're just getting started. Bust his balls! His former attorney went to jail for the same stuff. And what goes around comes around. Next!
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/politics/live-news/trump-indictment-hush-money-stormy-daniels/index.html
ErsatzJulian
03-31-23, 15:03
Uh sorry, After Russiagate, Hunter Biden's laptop, and the fiascos with Covid, you dumb Dems do not get to say your sources are superior.
Here is an article with a link to the lawsuit, you pseudointellectual fool! It took me less than 60 seconds to find it: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-03-02/transgender-patients-chloe-cole-lawsuit-against-kaiser-lgbtq-rights.
And the point of your post was what exactly?Did you actually read this article? It is mostly an opinion piece that it is kind of beside my point that no one has heard the doctor's side because they have been bound by patient privacy laws.
As for my assertion that citing The Daily Mail does not prove anything, I stand by it because the proof of its shoddy journalism is self-evident in the article because there is no attempt to present the other side's position. And citing the other alleged failings of the media does not excuse the The Daily Mail of shoddy journalism. The failing of one side does not excuse the failing of the other side, so stop with the what-aboutism.
Finally, just knock it off with the insults. It makes you sound like a petulant child and nobody respects that.
More evidence that COVID vaccines cause excess deaths. This is really for Tiny, who appears at least open to reading / watching new evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G1SWjL7gmQ
Of course, this will get zero coverage by the corporat ecaptured mainstream media since they are sponsored by Big Pharma too.
More evidence that COVID vaccines cause excess deaths. This is really for Tiny, who appears at least open to reading / watching new evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G1SWjL7gmQ
Of course, this will get zero coverage by the corporat ecaptured mainstream media since they are sponsored by Big Pharma too.A youtube video, talking about a study (that may or may not have taken place) that has not even been peer reviewed. Very nice touch with the false title of "Get the latest information from the CDC. ".
What kind of scientist would release a study that is not peer reviewed.?
Elvis 2008
03-31-23, 18:29
Did you actually read this article? It is mostly an opinion piece that it is kind of beside my point that no one has heard the doctor's side because they have been bound by patient privacy laws.No, I did not read it, but you are the second dumb Dem to miss the point. Only point of linking the article was to get a link to the lawsuit.
As for my assertion that citing The Daily Mail does not prove anything, I stand by it because the proof of its shoddy journalism is self-evident in the article because there is no attempt to present the other side's position.Okay, so I look at the LA Times story, "It's part of a concerted right-wing attack on LGBTQ rights, in which the health of transgender youth is exploited as a pretext for bans on gender-affirming care. It resembles the right-wing attack on abortion rights. ".
For a Democratic douche like you, that is not one sided bias.
As for your claim that the Daily Mail did not present both sides, that was impossible to do.
"Kaiser, for the moment, can't discuss Cole's case without her express permission because of federal and state patient privacy laws. That might change when Kaiser files a formal response to the lawsuit, which could be weeks or months from now. ".
Finally, just knock it off with the insults. It makes you sound like a petulant child and nobody respects that.
For all you know, Chloe Cole finds it more worthwhile now to be the poster child for conservatives against gender-affirming care that she is misrepresenting her position about the sex-change operation when she was about to undergo it.When someone files a lawsuit because they were not happy with their sex change surgery, you have no right to say that she is misrepresenting her position on sex change surgeries. Duh.
And then you blasted the Daily Mail because they reported on this lawsuit and called it shoddy journalism. No, that is what is called news. The LA Times calling it a "right wing attack" like the attack on abortion rights is not news but Democratic douche opinion that you consider news.
I will make you a deal. Quit being a stupid fool and I will quit calling you one.
I would also ask that you quit being a closed minded Democratic douche but it is best to take one step at a time.
Elvis 2008
03-31-23, 18:47
Well, your own sourceLOL. I repeat the only reason I linked this article was to get to the lawsuit.
"In fact, studies indicate that only 1% to 2% of transgender individuals "detransition," and that often happens because of discrimination and other social pressures, not because the patients genuinely feel they have made a mistake about their gender identity. ".You and the LA Times are not qualified to review the quality of studies. For example, this one has a 6% dissatisfaction rate but has a 37% response rate. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28471328/.
Of course, there are no links to these studies with 1 and 2% dissatisfaction rates.
"Proponents of these bans assert that puberty blockers and hormones used in such care endanger the lives of adolescents. They say the youths may be going through a phase that they'll soon outgrow and the treatments are based on overly indulgent diagnoses of "gender dysphoria".
The truth is just the opposite. Gender dysphoria diagnosis is neither novel nor a fad, as some partisan critics assert. Instead, it's recognized by professionals as a serious medical condition. ".
No, the truth is no one knows and the first rule of medicine is do no harm.
This is the same kind of reckless "expert" driven bullshit as the Covid vaccines. They were claimed to be safe and effective and now two years later, we all know (well maybe not you Democratic douches) that they were anything but.
A youtube video, talking about a study (that may or may not have taken place) that has not even been peer reviewed. Very nice touch with the false title of "Get the latest information from the CDC. ".
What kind of scientist would release a study that is not peer reviewed.?Its a preprint. A widely recognised form of research disclosure. A preprint is a full draft research paper that is shared publicly before it has been peer reviewed. Preprints achieve many of the goals of journal publishing, but within a much shorter time frame. The biggest benefits are: credit, feedback, and visibility. https://www.aje.com/arc/benefits-of-preprints-for-researchers/ As John Campbell states, the likelihood of the paper being peer reviewed and published is low due to corporate capture.
The study may not have taken place? What evidence do you have of that? The url is in the video, look it up.
False title? What false title?
It must be truly scary to have so much cognitive dissonance that you just shoot out the first wildest accusations you can come up with.
Elvis 2008
04-01-23, 01:56
What kind of scientist would release a study that is not peer reviewed.?An ethical one.
Two things that will never be in peer reviewed journals regardless of the evidence:
1. Covid vaccines kill people.
2. Opioids are under prescribed.
Elvis 2008
04-01-23, 02:22
It must be truly scary to have so much cognitive dissonance that you just shoot out the first wildest accusations you can come up with.No doubt. The people screaming "go science go" with regards to the Covid vaccines are the ones least likely to have looked at the data. You have to be a Democratic douche to think the Covid vaccines are safe and effective now.
Rand Paul was on Fox and made the point people were smarter than many thought. Like 99% of seniors who vaxxed but rates for children were miniscule. This is the Democrats biggest nightmare: people thinking for themselves.
But the real kicker of a video was this. Sorry, TK, your video was more informative but this one was more fun. Only Russell Brand can make the end of the world and science seem funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paOGVy8TYHI
Comeuppance time is finally here! And we're just getting started. Bust his balls! His former attorney went to jail for the same stuff. And what goes around comes around. Next!
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/politics/live-news/trump-indictment-hush-money-stormy-daniels/index.htmlYep, that is the biggest and most damning American Politics Real News item of the day. But typically dumb Repub hillbilly wingers would rather post wildly off this forum's topic nonsense like all the imaginary deaths the Covid vaccine caused, how close they are to choosing a sex change operation for themselves if they read or hear just one more mention of it being their right to choose it and so on.
This first Trump indictment might in and of itself be less legally threatening than the idictments he has earned for worse crimes. However, this one is critical in that it was the gateway crime that allowed him and his Repub supporters and partners to inflict historic levels of economic disaster, death and destruction on America and most of the world.
Sure, Repub FBI Director Comey's contribution likely shifted enough votes to Trump at the last minute in 2016 to put him in the White House. Russia's extraordinarily high level of collusion with Camp Trump, the RePutinKlan Party and winger media like Fux News certainly shifted just enough votes to do it.
But there was nothing illegal about those pro Trump campaign moves. They were merely unethical and Anti-American.
However, this Trump campaign election rigging move to put him in the White House was illegal.
And without any one of those bits of election interference or this illegal one, Repub Icon and current 2024 RePutinKlan Party prez nominee frontrunner Trump could not have flushed Trillions in American taxpayer dollars down the shitter with nothing to show for it except a million fewer jobs created with their economic "stimulus" legislation than without it.
He couldn't have golfed through 3-4 non existant Infrastructure Weeks over the golf course of 4 miserable years.
He couldn't have done so much to weaken American democracy, alienate our pro democtratic allies and strengthen his Masters Putin, Xi, Kim and other authoritarian dictatorships around the world.
He couldn't have pulled the key Pandemic Prevention and Response agents out of China to make Xi feel better and against all expert advice not to do something so stupid and dangerous many months before the first coronavirus cases emerged in secrecy when only a couple of months' heads up about it to responsible parties would have easily averted Trump's Pandemic and all the problems that followed.
Therefore, 1,000,000+ Americans and many more people around the world would not have been mass murdered.
Worldwide economies would not have crashed and millions upon millions of jobs destroyed amid neccessary Trump's Pandemic mitigation closures.
We would never have suffered those monumental losses and the lingering Supply-Chain destruction-based Inflation.
America and the world would have definitely been better off in ways beyond words had Trump not illegally rigged the 2016 election in his favor with this Original Sin crime for which he has now been indicted.
ErsatzJulian
04-01-23, 15:42
No, I did not read it, but you are the second dumb Dem to miss the point. Only point of linking the article was to get a link to the lawsuit.
Okay, so I look at the LA Times story, "It's part of a concerted right-wing attack on LGBTQ rights, in which the health of transgender youth is exploited as a pretext for bans on gender-affirming care. It resembles the right-wing attack on abortion rights. ".
For a Democratic douche like you, that is not one sided bias.
As for your claim that the Daily Mail did not present both sides, that was impossible to do.
"Kaiser, for the moment, can't discuss Cole's case without her express permission because of federal and state patient privacy laws. That might change when Kaiser files a formal response to the lawsuit, which could be weeks or months from now. ".This quote is from the LA Times, not the Daily Mail. If the LA Times can write that the doctor issued a generic statement that "it provides patient-centered gender-affirming care that is consistent with the standards of medical care and excellence and. Founded on sound research and best medical practices," then so can the Daily Mail. The fact that it did not shows that its standard of journalism is questionable at best.
And if a number of your readers fail to understand your point, perhaps the problem lies not with the reader but your poor writing?
When someone files a lawsuit because they were not happy with their sex change surgery, you have no right to say that she is misrepresenting her position on sex change surgeries. Duh.
And then you blasted the Daily Mail because they reported on this lawsuit and called it shoddy journalism. No, that is what is called news. The LA Times calling it a "right wing attack" like the attack on abortion rights is not news but Democratic douche opinion that you consider news.
I will make you a deal. Quit being a stupid fool and I will quit calling you one.
I would also ask that you quit being a closed minded Democratic douche but it is best to take one step at a time.Please read my post carefully: I called the Daily Mail shoddy journalism because their article was one-sided and did not even tried to present the other side's position; nowhere did I write that it is shoddy because it reported on this lawsuit.
As for your claim that I am misrepresenting her position, I would like to point out that I did no such thing. I suggested that it is possible that she may have had a change of mind between the surgery and now; if she feels aggrieved now, she is perfectly entitled to. But to sue her doctors because she had a change of heart, that's problematic.
And, by the way, what would you call the conservative's action on this matter? You yourself used the words "attack on abortion rights" to describe to it; so does that mean that you agree with the LA Times' description?
Finally, why are you so angry? Are things in the real world not going your way and one way that you feel better is by blasting your vitriol here to make yourself feel better about yourself?
More evidence that COVID vaccines cause excess deaths. This is really for Tiny, who appears at least open to reading / watching new evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G1SWjL7gmQ
Of course, this will get zero coverage by the corporat ecaptured mainstream media since they are sponsored by Big Pharma too.Good one JustTK. I spent two or three hours looking at the paper in question and related info. And for a while was having second thoughts about getting my second bivalent COVID booster this month.
However, in the end, I believe the researchers came up with a spurious correlation, like Tooms' spurious correlations between Republican Presidents and recessions, lower GDP growth, higher unemployment, and a pandemic. Or mine between Democratic Presidents and the number of Americans who've died in wars that started when they were in office. There's no cause and effect.
Here's the paper in question:
https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202302.0350/v1/download
The Norwegians performed a regression analysis between excess mortality (dependent variable), and vaccination uptake, month number, average 2020 to 2021 mortality relative to 2016 to 2019 mortality, and life expectancy (independent variables) and they came up with a correlation, which I believe is spurious, given their intent is to show the vaccines are killing lots of people. If they'd instead used deaths from heat waves and from COVID the disease, I suspect they would have come up with a better correlation. The heat deaths occurred mostly in France, Spain, Germany, and Portugal, countries with high vaccination uptake rates. There were virtually none in the low vaccination uptake rate countries, which are mostly in Eastern Europe.
I'm too lazy to look at COVID deaths by month and country quantitatively, in an Excel spreadsheet, but have looked at graphs of deaths versus time during 2022 for the highest and lowest vaccination uptake countries in the Norwegians' paper. And it looks to me like COVID deaths per capita were lower for whatever reason in the lower uptake countries in 2022, which were all in Eastern Europe. Furthermore, after the winter of 2021/2022, that is, after the worldwide Omicron wave, the death rates from COVID went down to really low levels in the lowest vaccination countries, while they did not in the highest vaccination countries. So, again, I'd attribute part of the Norwegian's findings to higher death rates from COVID in the low vaccination countries.
Despite what Fauci, the CDC, and other health authorities would tell you on one hand and what the anti-vaxxers would tell you on the other, both vaccines and past infection provide good immunity against severe disease. And also COVID did not move through Europe uniformly. You may recall that initially in 2020, Eastern Europe (low vaccination uptake countries) had low rates of COVID infection, but later caught up and in some instances surpassed western European countries in per capita COVID deaths. So anyway I don't think the fact that the Eastern European countries had lower per capita death rates from COVID, the disease, in 2022 is an argument for superiority of getting immunity through disease instead of vaccines. In fact, for people my age anyway, I think that's a stupid argument.
Now I'm weak in statistics. The only info I see in their paper that gives me an idea of whether their correlations are statistically significant is Figure 1 C on page 5, which shows their data fits (the straight lines) and actual data (yellow or orange line) for percentage excess deaths by month. They emphasize the fact that the % excess deaths is increasing 2022. The reason is that you expect that % excess deaths in January and February should be higher, because of the Omicron wave. But why are they higher still in July? Why, it must be the aftereffects of the vaccines! Again, I'd chalk that up to heatwave deaths. The excess deaths fall off a lot in subsequent months.
The excess death rates go down after July. Without the July data, the Norwegian's correlation looks a lot less impressive.
Finally, there's other research, which looks to be better quality to me, that contradicts the Norwegian's hypothesis. Here are a couple of links. The first is particularly good and more comprehensive than the Norwegian study -- see Figure 6 in particular.
https://healthfeedback.org/what-can-explain-the-excess-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-europe-in-2022/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9319484/
Now, you will see posts on social media showing a correlation between higher vaccination rates and higher mortality or hospitalization rates from COVID within single countries or counties or wherever. The UK and Israel probably account for the majority. They're bogus, as they fail to segment by age group. In parts of the UK, for example, a lot more old people got vaccinated than young people. And old people are mostly the ones who were hospitalized and died with COVID. Correct for age and it's obvious the vaccines prevented hospitalizations and death.
Also, if you look like a country like Taiwan, which was walled off from COVID through travel restrictions, you'll see higher all cause mortality in the vaccinated. Contrary to what Fauci, the CDC, the WHO and other health authorities would have you believe, thousands or tens of thousands of people have died from COVID vaccines. Millions however have died from COVID the disease. It's a numbers game. And for people my age, but perhaps not yours, the decision to get the vaccine was a no brainer.
Good one JustTK. I spent two or three hours looking at the paper in question and related info. And for a while was having second thoughts about getting my second bivalent COVID booster this month.
However, in the end, I believe the researchers came up with a spurious correlation, like Tooms' spurious correlations between Republican Presidents and recessions, lower GDP growth, higher unemployment, and a pandemic. Or mine between Democratic Presidents and the number of Americans who've died in wars that started when they were in office. There's no cause and effect.
Here's the paper in question:
https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202302.0350/v1/download
The Norwegians performed a regression analysis between excess mortality (dependent variable), and vaccination uptake, month number, average 2020 to 2021 mortality relative to 2016 to 2019 mortality, and life expectancy (independent variables) and they came up with a correlation, which I believe is spurious, given their intent is to show the vaccines are killing lots of people. If they'd instead used deaths from heat waves and from COVID the disease, I suspect they would have come up with a better correlation. The heat deaths occurred mostly in France, Spain, Germany, and Portugal, countries with high vaccination uptake rates. There were virtually none in the low vaccination uptake rate countries, which are mostly in Eastern Europe.
I'm too lazy to look at COVID deaths by month and country quantitatively, in an Excel spreadsheet, but have looked at graphs of deaths versus time during 2022 for the highest and lowest vaccination uptake countries in the Norwegians' paper. And it looks to me like COVID deaths per capita were lower for whatever reason in the lower uptake countries in 2022, which were all in Eastern Europe. Furthermore, after the winter of 2021/2022, that is, after the worldwide Omicron wave, the death rates from COVID went down to really low levels in the lowest vaccination countries, while they did not in the highest vaccination countries. So, again, I'd attribute part of the Norwegian's findings to higher death rates from COVID in the low vaccination countries.
Despite what Fauci, the CDC, and other health authorities would tell you on one hand and what the anti-vaxxers would tell you on the other, both vaccines and past infection provide good immunity against severe disease. And also COVID did not move through Europe uniformly. You may recall that initially in 2020, Eastern Europe (low vaccination uptake countries) had low rates of COVID infection, but later caught up and in some instances surpassed western European countries in per capita COVID deaths. So anyway I don't think the fact that the Eastern European countries had lower per capita death rates from COVID, the disease, in 2022 is an argument for superiority of getting immunity through disease instead of vaccines. In fact, for people my age anyway, I think that's a stupid argument.
Now I'm weak in statistics. The only info I see in their paper that gives me an idea of whether their correlations are statistically significant is Figure 1 C on page 5, which shows their data fits (the straight lines) and actual data (yellow or orange line) for percentage excess deaths by month. They emphasize the fact that the % excess deaths is increasing 2022. The reason is that you expect that % excess deaths in January and February should be higher, because of the Omicron wave. But why are they higher still in July? Why, it must be the aftereffects of the vaccines! Again, I'd chalk that up to heatwave deaths. The excess deaths fall off a lot in subsequent months.
The excess death rates go down after July. Without the July data, the Norwegian's correlation looks a lot less impressive.
Finally, there's other research, which looks to be better quality to me, that contradicts the Norwegian's hypothesis. Here are a couple of links. The first is particularly good and more comprehensive than the Norwegian study -- see Figure 6 in particular.
https://healthfeedback.org/what-can-explain-the-excess-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-europe-in-2022/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9319484/
Now, you will see posts on social media showing a correlation between higher vaccination rates and higher mortality or hospitalization rates from COVID within single countries or counties or wherever. The UK and Israel probably account for the majority. They're bogus, as they fail to segment by age group. In parts of the UK, for example, a lot more old people got vaccinated than young people. And old people are mostly the ones who were hospitalized and died with COVID. Correct for age and it's obvious the vaccines prevented hospitalizations and death.
Also, if you look like a country like Taiwan, which was walled off from COVID through travel restrictions, you'll see higher all cause mortality in the vaccinated. Contrary to what Fauci, the CDC, the WHO and other health authorities would have you believe, thousands or tens of thousands of people have died from COVID vaccines. Millions however have died from COVID the disease. It's a numbers game. And for people my age, but perhaps not yours, the decision to get the vaccine was a no brainer.For everybody who is convinced that the COVID vaccines caused a massive amount of deaths, it will make no difference whatsoever regardless of the number of studies, papers, etc. That say otherwise.
These "everybody knows" folks are the same ones who believe cockamamie conspiracy theories like Chinese thermostats changed votes in the 2020 election or that Italian space lasers changed votes or that JFK (or is it JFK, Jr?) is really alive or that the Earth is flat or that the moon is made out of green cheese.
Beijing4987
04-02-23, 22:54
Mark Twain attributed quote this to Benjamin Disraeli. Something for think about those who love to quibble about ephemera. Ah, but who first said, "the devil's in the details " ?
Good one JustTK. I spent two or three hours looking at the paper in question and related info. And for a while was having second thoughts about getting my second bivalent COVID booster this month.
However, in the end, I believe the researchers came up with a spurious correlation, like Tooms' spurious correlations between Republican Presidents and recessions, lower GDP growth, higher unemployment, and a pandemic. Or mine between Democratic Presidents and the number of Americans who've died in wars that started when they were in office. There's no cause and effect.
Here's the paper in question:
https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202302.0350/v1/download
Again, thanks for taking the time to look at the paper Tiny. I think if you watch John Campbell's accompanying / explanatory video to the paper, you would find answers to several of you concenrs. The university has no skin in the vax game. It is an independent body.
They did account for many possible confounding variables such as other causes like heat waves and COVID deaths. These were accounted for and the correlation still exists.
You have now seen evidence of excess deaths (that you orginally stated would motivate you to consider seriously that vax deaths were occuring in significant numbers), and evidence of higher deaths in highly vaxxed countries. You have also seen copious evidence that this evidence that is contrary to the state message is being suppressed. If you want to keep denying it, that's up to you. Note - these stats ignore vax injuries - these are said to be a huge number.
I think when the Rep Party gets in to power next time, we will see even more truth coming out. Rand Paul seems determined to get to the truth. That's great to see bcos although Trump was a huge liar, the Dem Party has become that party of lies and cover ups.
Excellent interview here by Kim Iversen with Jill Stein, including a discussion on the importance of 3rd parties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5foGvzhA7Gc
Again, thanks for taking the time to look at the paper Tiny. I think if you watch John Campbell's accompanying / explanatory video to the paper, you would find answers to several of you concenrs. The university has no skin in the vax game. It is an independent body.
They did account for many possible confounding variables such as other causes like heat waves and COVID deaths. These were accounted for and the correlation still exists.
You have now seen evidence of excess deaths (that you orginally stated would motivate you to consider seriously that vax deaths were occuring in significant numbers), and evidence of higher deaths in highly vaxxed countries. You have also seen copious evidence that this evidence that is contrary to the state message is being suppressed. If you want to keep denying it, that's up to you. Note - these stats ignore vax injuries - these are said to be a huge number.
I think when the Rep Party gets in to power next time, we will see even more truth coming out. Rand Paul seems determined to get to the truth. That's great to see bcos although Trump was a huge liar, the Dem Party has become that party of lies and cover ups.Hi JustTK, looking over the paper, I see they did kick out the heat wave deaths in their Model 5. And perhaps you could say they partly controlled for COVID deaths by including the average 2020 and 2021 mortality relative to 2016 to 2019 mortality as an independent variable. That is, perhaps higher death rates in 2020 and 2021 would be correlated with lower death rates in 2022. And, again, I don't have a good background in statistics. All I can do is look at figure 1 C and say from that the July data really pushed up the slope of their data fit. So anyway their case isn't convincing to me. A large part of it is that I just don't see how the vaccine could have worse long term effects than severe disease from COVID. And a person is less likely to have severe disease if he's vaccinated.
Also, except for Poland, the countries with low vaccination uptake rates are relatively small places. Most of the data, since it's weighted by population, is from countries that have small differences in vaccination rates. You can see this on Figure 1 D of the Norwegians paper. I'd guess the majority of the data is from countries with vaccination uptake rates of 72% to 75%.
I'd refer you again to Figure 6 in the following, which looks at many more countries, and shows "0" correlation between excess deaths and vaccination rates:
https://healthfeedback.org/what-can-explain-the-excess-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-europe-in-2022/
I did listen to Campbell, and didn't get much more out of it than what I read in the paper. He does do a good job of emphasizing some of the points though.
We should revisit this in about six months or a year. It will be interesting to see if the Norwegians case holds up for time periods after September of 2022.
Yep, that is the biggest and most damning American Politics Real News item of the day. But typically dumb Repub hillbilly wingers would rather post wildly off this forum's topic nonsense like all the imaginary deaths the Covid vaccine caused, how close they are to choosing a sex change operation for themselves if they read or hear just one more mention of it being their right to choose it and so on.
This first Trump indictment might in and of itself be less legally threatening than the idictments he has earned for worse crimes. However, this one is critical in that it was the gateway crime that allowed him and his Repub supporters and partners to inflict historic levels of economic disaster, death and destruction on America and most of the world.
Sure, Repub FBI Director Comey's contribution likely shifted enough votes to Trump at the last minute in 2016 to put him in the White House. Russia's extraordinarily high level of collusion with Camp Trump, the RePutinKlan Party and winger media like Fux News certainly shifted just enough votes to do it.
But there was nothing illegal about those pro Trump campaign moves. They were merely unethical and Anti-American.
However, this Trump campaign election rigging move to put him in the White House was illegal.Here you go, here you go! And more indictments to come. Like I said, we're just getting started! He's going to be so tied up in legal problems that he can't even begin to think about being president again: https://www.aol.com/news/york-city-trumps-dreams-delivers-145741875.html
For everybody who is convinced that the COVID vaccines caused a massive amount of deaths, it will make no difference whatsoever regardless of the number of studies, papers, etc. That say otherwise.
These "everybody knows" folks are the same ones who believe cockamamie conspiracy theories like Chinese thermostats changed votes in the 2020 election or that Italian space lasers changed votes or that JFK (or is it JFK, Jr?) is really alive or that the Earth is flat or that the moon is made out of green cheese.Some people would indeed be alive today if they hadn't been afraid to get the vaccine. At this point, I don't know how much difference it makes. We've all gotten the disease and / or gotten vaccinated, so have some immunity from severe disease. Before long the death rate from COVID may be no worse than the flu. Perhaps we're just arguing about history. Let's hope so.
Elvis 2008
04-03-23, 21:18
For everybody who is convinced that the COVID vaccines caused a massive amount of deaths, it will make no difference whatsoever regardless of the number of studies, papers, etc. That say otherwise.
These "everybody knows" folks are the same ones who believe cockamamie conspiracy theories like Chinese thermostats changed votes in the 2020 election or that Italian space lasers changed votes or that JFK (or is it JFK, Jr?) is really alive or that the Earth is flat or that the moon is made out of green cheese.LOL. Did you read what I wrote? Is everything with you I am smart and everyone else is stupid?
There is a big difference with regards to the vaccine for the 70+ crowd and other people especially teenage boys and young men. What gets me about you Democratic douches is the arrogance that there is a standard risk to benefit ratio for everyone and that the ration does not vary. You douches are like, "Nah, it is safe for everyone. " Vaccination should have been determined on a case by case basis versus a fucking mandate.
Nowhere was that more evident than on Joe Rogan's podcast. He has on doctors Malone and McCollough who warn about the dangers of the Covid vaccine, and I had to listen to you Democratic douches ramble on upon vaccine hesitancy and these two were anti-vaxxers when in fact BOTH doctors had been vaccinated.
The twitter files showed the government taking down anything, including factually accurate data, that promoted vaccine hesitancy. The government wanted people to be ignorant of the potential side effects on the vaccine.
If you douches were so right about everything, then why the call for Covid amnesty here, https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/? You do not read what I am but every fucking day there is some admission from government that they lied or fucked up on Covid.
Ron Desantis called Deborah Birx when we were in the middle of lockdowns and asked for proof that lockdowns worked, and she said she had none, and Desantis said his jaw dropped. Florida had great success with Covid because Desantis only listened to a handful of people he trusted and were honest with him about things.
When Rand Paul asked Fauci if he was profiting off the vaccine, he told Senator Paul it was none of his business. Rand Paul also said the supposedly retired Fauci is still working for government (not sure why that is when he is 82 fucking years old) and the reason is Fauci is still working is that he is afraid he is going to get sued into the stone age unless he is in government and has immunity.
Once 2024 hits, these POS vaccines are either going to be taken off the market or the drug companies are going to come even cleaner with the side effects. My guess is the drug companies pull said vaccines off the market.
You get one person harmed and or killed by the vaccine to sue, get the real data, and put Fauci on the stand after all his contradictions, and you got a multibillion dollar lawsuit.
It is all arrogance with you douches. Anyone who voted for Trump is stupid. Anyone who did not believe in Russiagate is stupid, and anyone who did not get the vaccine is stupid too.
Elvis 2008
04-03-23, 21:31
Here you go, here you go! And more indictments to come. Like I said, we're just getting started! He's going to be so tied up in legal problems that he can't even begin to think about being president again: https://www.aol.com/news/york-city-trumps-dreams-delivers-145741875.htmlYou have both Elon Musk and Scott Adams saying if Trump is arrested, he wins in a landslide. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twitters-elon-musk-predicts-trump-will-win-re-election-landslide-victory-if-arrested.
That the Dems went forward and arrested him on the stupidest charge in the history of mankind told me not that they want Trump out of the election but they want him as a preferred candidate.
To me, this says the Dems want Trump and are scared shitless of Desantis. If Desantis is the nominee, the age issue, the way Biden has mishandled the economy, the Ukraine war, and to me the biggie is how Biden completely screwed up with regards to Covid are the issues. If Trump is the nominee, we have to hear the Democratic douches try to outdo each other on the Trump name calling.
So the idea that this arrest knocks out Trump is reading it wrong. Everyone is saying it makes him a stronger not weaker candidate, and Desantis has lost ground because of it.
Hiliary pays for the bogus Steele dossier, which is 100 X more serious than this, and pays a fine, and Trump is arrested for paying off some hooker to not speak is a felony? LOL. We are actually used to this uneven justice system now.
LOL. I repeat the only reason I linked this article was to get to the lawsuit.
You and the LA Times are not qualified to review the quality of studies. For example, this one has a 6% dissatisfaction rate but has a 37% response rate. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28471328/.
Of course, there are no links to these studies with 1 and 2% dissatisfaction rates.
"Proponents of these bans assert that puberty blockers and hormones used in such care endanger the lives of adolescents. They say the youths may be going through a phase that they'll soon outgrow and the treatments are based on overly indulgent diagnoses of "gender dysphoria".
The truth is just the opposite. Gender dysphoria diagnosis is neither novel nor a fad, as some partisan critics assert. Instead, it's recognized by professionals as a serious medical condition. ".
No, the truth is no one knows and the first rule of medicine is do no harm.
This is the same kind of reckless "expert" driven bullshit as the Covid vaccines. They were claimed to be safe and effective and now two years later, we all know (well maybe not you Democratic douches) that they were anything but.Adults can lop off whatever parts of their bodies they wish to fulfil their weird fetishes. However, children's brains are not developed enough to make such life-altering decisions, which is why it is criminal that healthy breasts and penises are being sliced off children as young as 13. When the country sorts itself out, possibly post-boogaloo, there will be many criminal prosecutions of the perpetrators of these child mutilations.
Are the anti-sodomites on this thread concerned about a major threat to children? Why don't you just tell the truth, that you think homosexuality is icky?
Both things can be simultaneously true.
Along with the collapse over the past two years of American military prestige and economic power, this week has seen the end of our once-respected judiciary. Leftwing activist judges and Soros-funded politicized prosecutors have been a problem for some years, but two events this week have signalled that judicial impartiality is over.
The egregious persecution of the former president and current opposition leader by his political enemies is the primary indicator, particularly given the inherent weakness of the "case", the fact that no former president has ever been arrested before, and the fact that far more obvious criminality committed by the Bidens and Clintons has been ignored.
However, another case is perhaps almost as relevant. Douglass Mackey was just convicted by a leftist Washington jury and faces prison for sending memes.
Yes, for sending memes. For exercising his First Amendment rights.
In 2016, Mackey was a leading figure on Twitter (in the days when it still permitted free speech) under the name "Ricky Vaughn". His account became extremely influential for the many cutting and hilarious memes he posted, which contributed to the victory of Donald Trump. As such, Globohomo decided to persecute him in order to dissuade others from mocking it.
His "crime" was to have posted a satirical meme before the 2016 election encouraging democrat voters to vote by text. Of course, it is impossible to vote in this way, as anyone with room temperature IQ knows, and it was meant as a comedic insult directed at the intelligence of democrat voters.
What is particularly fascinating is that a left-wing democrat activist, Kristina Wong, posted exactly the same meme at the same time, directed toward Republican voters: telling them to vote by text or wait till "Super Wednesday" (the day after polls closed).
In an impartial, unbiased system, there would be no way of prosecuting Mackey without prosecuting Wong. They literally posted the same meme at the same time, directed toward opposing voters.
And yet Kristina Wong is out and about, happily doing a campus tour, while Mackey faces prison. This is because the American justice system is now part of the politicized swamp.
Just as leftist rioters are permitted to attack courthouses, burn cities and lately invade the Tennessee Capitol building without consequence, while rightwing protesters spend years in prison for walking through the Washington Capitol; so rightwingers are now arrested for political speech and satire that leftists get away with scot free.
Expect consequences.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/04/leftist-activist-kristina-wong-out-on-campus-comedy-tour-posted-the-same-joke-as-douglass-mackey-but-will-never-be-indicted-in-our-two-tier-justice-system/
Again, thanks for taking the time to look at the paper Tiny. I think if you watch John Campbell's accompanying / explanatory video to the paper, you would find answers to several of you concenrs. The university has no skin in the vax game. It is an independent body.
They did account for many possible confounding variables such as other causes like heat waves and COVID deaths. These were accounted for and the correlation still exists.
You have now seen evidence of excess deaths (that you orginally stated would motivate you to consider seriously that vax deaths were occuring in significant numbers), and evidence of higher deaths in highly vaxxed countries. You have also seen copious evidence that this evidence that is contrary to the state message is being suppressed. If you want to keep denying it, that's up to you. Note - these stats ignore vax injuries - these are said to be a huge number.
I think when the Rep Party gets in to power next time, we will see even more truth coming out. Rand Paul seems determined to get to the truth. That's great to see bcos the Dem Party has become that party of lies and cover ups.Leftists can deny any reality. They can deny that a man is a man. They can deny that it is evil to slice off a 13 year old child's healthy genitals. They can deny that the border is wide open. They can claim that the world is going to end in, I think 8 years now, right AOC? Don't be surprised that they deny vax deaths too.
In what way is it circular?"What is a woman?" "Someone who says they are a woman". That is a circular argument. They have not defined the word "woman". FYI, the definition is: adult human female.
The diving story you blathered on about was just too stupid to bother with.
No, only a psychiatrist classifies someone as insane. Gays were also once classed as insane, people who didn't belive in the bearded one in the sky too. Thank goodness for progress You've rather amusingly just defeated your own argument. The fact that "accredited psychiatrists" once classified homosexuals and religious non-believers as insane shows that their profession is manipulated by the political controllers of society, like most things.
Nowadays, they are being manipulated by the woke Globohomo lobby which is in control of America. Any psychiatrist who dares to oppose the idea that cutting off your dick and calling yourself Shirley is anything other than a stunning and brave indicator of complete mental stability is destroyed and cast out like a heretic of old.
Woke globohomo is the new religion, and trannies are among its most sacred cows. Criticize, or worse, mock them at your peril, heathen!
"A woman is an adult female. ".
Well, that's one definition of the word, from a biological perspecive. BUt we both know words have multiple definitions.No, they don't. A woman is an adult human female. Not a mentally ill male with gender dysphoria worsened and egged on by the media who decides to mutilate himself.
No, I did not read it, but you are the second dumb Dem to miss the point. Only point of linking the article was to get a link to the lawsuit.
Okay, so I look at the LA Times story, "It's part of a concerted right-wing attack on LGBTQ rights, in which the health of transgender youth is exploited as a pretext for bans on gender-affirming care. It resembles the right-wing attack on abortion rights. ".
For a Democratic douche like you, that is not one sided bias.
As for your claim that the Daily Mail did not present both sides, that was impossible to do.
"Kaiser, for the moment, can't discuss Cole's case without her express permission because of federal and state patient privacy laws. That might change when Kaiser files a formal response to the lawsuit, which could be weeks or months from now. ".
When someone files a lawsuit because they were not happy with their sex change surgery, you have no right to say that she is misrepresenting her position on sex change surgeries. Duh.
And then you blasted the Daily Mail because they reported on this lawsuit and called it shoddy journalism. No, that is what is called news. The LA Times calling it a "right wing attack" like the attack on abortion rights is not news but Democratic douche opinion that you consider news.
I will make you a deal. Quit being a stupid fool and I will quit calling you one.
I would also ask that you quit being a closed minded Democratic douche but it is best to take one step at a time.Yet again, the reality denial by the leftist dem douches is breathtaking.
Here we have a horrible, heartbreaking story told by a courageous 18 year old about how she was manipulated in her early teens, as an impressionable child whose brain was nowhere near fully developed, by the trans lobby to mutilate her genitals and sterilize herself.
Any person with a shred of decency would want those responsible for destroying her life to be severely punished. And yet here we have the usual leftist douches defending them.
I didn't use to be a religious person, but the events of the past few years have frankly made me expect and hope for God's wrath to come down on the Washington Globohomo ZOG swamp and its tentacles and toadies.
the doctor issued a generic statement that "it provides patient-centered gender-affirming care that is consistent with the standards of medical care and excellence and. Founded on sound research and best medical practices," Oh, thank goodness for that! I was kinda worried that chopping off the healthy genitals of confused 15 year old children might not be totally above board, but after reading that statement I can now join the leftist dem douches and support mass child mutilation.
Why stop at 13? I vaguely remember when I was 6 or 7 years old at my friend's house, we took some of his mom's heels out of her closet and walked round in them for shits and giggles. Clearly both of us should have had our penises sliced off there and then.
ErsatzJulian
04-04-23, 04:02
Leftists can deny any reality. They can deny that a man is a man. They can deny that it is evil to slice off a 13 year old child's healthy genitals. They can deny that the border is wide open. They can claim that the world is going to end in, I think 8 years now, right AOC? Don't be surprised that they deny vax deaths too.Reality is complex and if you think that you can put things into neatly labeled boxes, then you haven't done properly understood what you are looking at.
A former GOP operative, Anton Lazzaro found guilty on all charges of sex trafficking underage girls.
MINNEAPOLIS -- Anton Lazzaro, a former GOP operative, has been found guilty of sex trafficking underage girls.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-mn/pr/federal-jury-finds-anton-tony-lazzaro-guilty-all-counts-child-sex-trafficking-conspiracy
https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/closing-arguments-end-in-trial-of-anton-lazzaro-accused-of-sex-trafficking-minors/
This guilty piece of crap, GOP Anton Lazzaro, must be the grooming "party of pedophiles", MTG is talking about in her unhinged 60 Minute rant/piece. MTG, should stop throwing stones in glass houses.
You have both Elon Musk and Scott Adams saying if Trump is arrested, he wins in a landslide. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twitters-elon-musk-predicts-trump-will-win-re-election-landslide-victory-if-arrested.
That the Dems went forward and arrested him on the stupidest charge in the history of mankind told me not that they want Trump out of the election but they want him as a preferred candidate.
To me, this says the Dems want Trump and are scared shitless of Desantis. If Desantis is the nominee, the age issue, the way Biden has mishandled the economy, the Ukraine war, and to me the biggie is how Biden completely screwed up with regards to Covid are the issues. If Trump is the nominee, we have to hear the Democratic douches try to outdo each other on the Trump name calling.
So the idea that this arrest knocks out Trump is reading it wrong. Everyone is saying it makes him a stronger not weaker candidate, and Desantis has lost ground because of it.
Hiliary pays for the bogus Steele dossier, which is 100 X more serious than this, and pays a fine, and Trump is arrested for paying off some hooker to not speak is a felony? LOL. We are actually used to this uneven justice system now.I see that the democrats are still showing their supreme stupidity. They are one of the reasons I left the USA.
Trump recently called on all of his 74,000,000 supporters to come out and protest his pending indictment.
As far as anyone could tell, one showed up.
No high profile politician called for this mass walk out by children and other young people to proest the mutilation of children's genitals, breasts, arms, legs and heads as the direct and hoped for result of Repub so-called president George W. Bush and his RePutinKlan Party's constant push to lift bans on whatever weapons will mutilate and kill the most children in the shortest amount of time and with the least amount of effort.
Which has indeed happened in the hundreds over the past few years. Not just one or two kinda sorta anecdotal examples of vague regret by an 18 year old.
Thousands showed up:
See Photos From The National School Walkout Led By Students Protesting Gun Violence
https://time.com/national-school-walkout-gun-control-photos/
You have both Elon Musk and Scott Adams saying if Trump is arrested, he wins in a landslide. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twitters-elon-musk-predicts-trump-will-win-re-election-landslide-victory-if-arrested.So now Elon Musk and Scott Adams are knowledgeable political pundits? LMAO! They need to stick to running business into the ground and destroying their careers. That's what they seem to do well. And I'll pick up the real political fallout from people who know what they're talking about. Donald Trump's fat ass will never sit in the Oval Office again. The ones who are truly scared of him are the GOPers. They won't stand up to his wrongdoings. But the rest of America will. Democrats and independents who know he's no good for the country and the rest of the world. So nominate his trifling ass if you want to. But he's a proven loser, and no way in hell does he win the presidency again, let alone by a landslide. GTFOH LOL!
Leftists can deny any reality. They can deny that it is evil to slice off a 13 year old child's healthy genitals. These are not leftists. These are lame lib Dem supporters. Nothing to do with the left, they are a stain on our reputation.
Chris, are you also against circumcision? Against tattoes, piercings? How about permanenet scarrinng caused by religious and political indoctrination?
"What is a woman?" "Someone who says they are a woman". That is a circular argument. They have not defined the word "woman".
The diving story you blathered on about was just too stupid to bother with.
Let me give you abnother example you might be able to get onboard with -.
J. Hey Chris, how are you? What political party do you support?
C- I am a Republican.
J- Really? You don't look like one. You got a blue jumper on, you finished school, you had a shave. To me you look like a Dem. I understand that you say you don' care about immigrants, you don't beleive in high taxes to protect the poor and disadvantaged, but I don't beleive you. I think you are delluded by some mental dysfunction in your brain. Its obvious to me that really your are a Dem.
C- But J, I am a Rep! I am truly disgusted by gays and coloured folks and anyone else that is not just like me. I am a true Rep!
J. Sorry see, I am not going to accept what you say or what you think. I don't think it is good evidence. Insted I am going to run off what I see and interpret about you. Your a Dem!
C - Please J, just accept me for what I am. I really am self-serving and uncaring.
You can see the stand-off here? You can see how it would be best just to allow self-certification?
You've rather amusingly just defeated your own argument. The fact that "accredited psychiatrists" once classified homosexuals and religious non-believers as insane shows that their profession is manipulated by the political controllers of society, like most things.
Yes, you got me there actually. BUt I am rather hopeful that the psychiactric discipline has improved its techniques since it burned witches at the stake. I am rather hopeful that objective tests exist that would demonstarted that gays, witches, theists and trans would all lie on the same 'pass' side of such a sanity examination. Assuming they are not insane as well as being one of those.
Elvis 2008
04-04-23, 16:41
OI vaguely remember when I was 6 or 7 years old at my friend's house, we took some of his mom's heels out of her closet and walked round in them for shits and giggles. Clearly both of us should have had our penises sliced off there and then.Well, you have to admit that would have saved you a lot of money in hooker fees.
You know what the real basis of this whole trans crap is though? It is a deflection on freedom. The Democratic douche powers that be want this issue so they can claim they are pro-freedom while destroying the first and fourth amendment. We no longer have freedom of speech but we do let people chop off their dicks and tits.
And this hooker payoff is at its core a charge of rigging an election. Hell, we just got through an election rigging with Hunter Biden's laptop. The whole Russian disinformation thing was the FBI rigging the election. You even have Democratic douches here saying "Eh, it is nothing. " when it showed a path that Joe Biden was getting paid off by the Chinese. If you are a Democratic douche, you think the laptop is insignificant. Hell, it is a hoax.
What I said after the 2016 election and this Russiagate bullshit to a dumb Dem is this: show me one person who voted for Trump because of Putin. Do you have even one?
Now show me one person who would have changed their vote if Trump's lawyer paid off a porn star on Trump's instructions or if he did it alone. "You know if Trump paid off that porn star, I am voting for the morally pure Hiliary, but if his lawyer did it, Trump has my vote. ".
On the flip side, Hunter Biden would have changed the election. In the laptop, he is fucking underage women, snorting cocaine, doing deals with China, and bitches to a family member, "How would you like it if you had to give half of what you earned to your father?" Show all that stuff and then the diary of Biden's daughter saying she was showering with her dad when young and that it was "probably inappropriate". Shit, the Addams family was less dysfunctional than this one. But to a Democratic douche, none of that matters. All that matters to the Democratic douches living overseas are the pension and SS checks still come rolling in.
CheckMate1
04-04-23, 17:26
Adults can lop off whatever parts of their bodies they wish to fulfil their weird fetishes. However, children's brains are not developed enough to make such life-altering decisions, which is why it is criminal that healthy breasts and penises are being sliced off children as young as 13. When the country sorts itself out, possibly post-boogaloo, there will be many criminal prosecutions of the perpetrators of these child mutilations.You do realize that NO where in the US can children (under 18) can choose to get into any contract without parental consents. One can disagree with how the children are diagnosed, but doctors do not perform any surgery without consents. So if you like to send those parents to jail for this, ask your representative to write a law. If you want to punish the doctor for diagnosis, then again, ask your representative to write a law for that.
Well, you have to admit that would have saved you a lot of money in hooker fees.
You know what the real basis of this whole trans crap is though? It is a deflection on freedom. The Democratic douche powers that be want this issue so they can claim they are pro-freedom while destroying the first and fourth amendment. We no longer have freedom of speech but we do let people chop off their dicks and tits.
And this hooker payoff is at its core a charge of rigging an election. Hell, we just got through an election rigging with Hunter Biden's laptop. The whole Russian disinformation thing was the FBI rigging the election. You even have Democratic douches here saying "Eh, it is nothing. " when it showed a path that Joe Biden was getting paid off by the Chinese. If you are a Democratic douche, you think the laptop is insignificant. Hell, it is a hoax.
What I said after the 2016 election and this Russiagate bullshit to a dumb Dem is this: show me one person who voted for Trump because of Putin. Do you have even one?
Now show me one person who would have changed their vote if Trump's lawyer paid off a porn star on Trump's instructions or if he did it alone. "You know if Trump paid off that porn star, I am voting for the morally pure Hiliary, but if his lawyer did it, Trump has my vote. ".
On the flip side, Hunter Biden would have changed the election. In the laptop, he is fucking underage women, snorting cocaine, doing deals with China, and bitches to a family member, "How would you like it if you had to give half of what you earned to your father?" Show all that stuff and then the diary of Biden's daughter saying she was showering with her dad when young and that it was "probably inappropriate". Shit, the Addams family was less dysfunctional than this one. But to a Democratic douche, none of that matters. All that matters to the Democratic douches living overseas are the pension and SS checks still come rolling in.By law (thanks to O'bama), all former Presidents for the rest of their lives are provided with round-the-clock Secret Service protection. Let's see what our Democrats come up with to get around this one.
ErsatzJulian
04-05-23, 04:25
Oh, thank goodness for that! I was kinda worried that chopping off the healthy genitals of confused 15 year old children might not be totally above board, but after reading that statement I can now join the leftist dem douches and support mass child mutilation.
Why stop at 13? I vaguely remember when I was 6 or 7 years old at my friend's house, we took some of his mom's heels out of her closet and walked round in them for shits and giggles. Clearly both of us should have had our penises sliced off there and then.And stop twisting other people's word into a strawman argument so that you can knock it down.
That's just dishonesty and devalues yourself.
CheckMate1
04-05-23, 18:44
By law (thanks to O'bama), all former Presidents for the rest of their lives are provided with round-the-clock Secret Service protection. Let's see what our Democrats come up with to get around this one.Always go to the source and read a little.
https://www.secretservice.gov/about/faq/general
CheckMate1
04-05-23, 19:05
A Florida man was charged with 34 felony cournts in connection with falsifying business records.
The prosecution bears the burden of proving that the defendant is guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.
A jury of the defendent's peers will deliberate and yield a verdict once the all evidence is presented in court.
If the verdict is not guilty, the defendent is free to leave.
If the verdict is guilty, the defendent will go to the next phase, which is the sentencing.
Elvis 2008
04-05-23, 20:29
A Florida man was charged with 34 felony cournts in connection with falsifying business records.
The prosecution bears the burden of proving that the defendant is guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.
A jury of the defendent's peers will deliberate and yield a verdict once the all evidence is presented in court.
If the verdict is not guilty, the defendent is free to leave.
If the verdict is guilty, the defendent will go to the next phase, which is the sentencing.Yawn. Another Democratic douche saying this is about the law and not political. Ha ha!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11922695/Alan-Dershowitz-says-Trump-trial-moved-STATEN-ISLAND.html
Dershowitz said that Trump's hush money case, filed by the Manhattan the, was impossibly prejudiced owing to Manhattan being a Democrat stronghold.
Dershowitz said the trial should be held instead in Staten Island. The only one of New York City's five boroughs to regularly vote Republican.
And you know what the chances are this case is moved to Staten Island CM, slim and none, and slim just left town.
Oh yeah, this is all about the law. Did your nose grow as you typed that?
Elvis 2008
04-05-23, 20:41
By law (thanks to O'bama), all former Presidents for the rest of their lives are provided with round-the-clock Secret Service protection. Let's see what our Democrats come up with to get around this one.I am not sure what would be funnier: Trump winning and being in jail or seeing Trump in jail with a secret service contingent around him.
The Democratic douches do not get that with the 2020 election, the courts were saying to the pols, "We are not getting involved in elections. That is your shit, and we are not doing it."
The judge in this case is some Democratic douche who will let this case move on, and she will be showered with presents while Republicans call her every name in the book. But it will go to an Appeals Court or the NY Supreme Court and be tossed by them and for the same reason all the judges tossed Trump's 2020 cases, the judiciary wants and needs to stay the hell out of presidential and preferably all politics.
Even in 2000 when the US Supreme Court behaved as rationally as they could, they caught huge flak. The NY Times went down to Florida and counted the votes and even they came up with a Bush victory, but the Democratic douches, who fight any election they lose, were saying Bush did not win; Scotus gave him the victory.
To me, it is not even Democrat or Republican any more, it is pro or antiwar party presidents. Bernie Sanders is anti-war party and you can be damned sure he will never get a nomination. That is what this is really all about. A trump victory means no more trillion dollar blowjobs to the defense industry.
Great piece on the latest dangers posed to US hegemony by the likely expansion of BRICS, as a result of USA foriegn policy bullying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnCudOKNzm0
Huge Win!! Huge Progressive Wisconsin's Supreme Court Win!!
Liberal Judge (Janet Protasiewicz) wins Wisconsin’s Supreme Court election, and looks to save and restore women's pregnancy rights and equal voter rights, in a swing state that traditionally votes 50/50, but under the heavy handed and heavily gerrymandering of congressional maps by State Repubs, in recent times over the last several years, has been skewed more red than purple.
Wisconsinites reject Republican partisan extremism and affirm restore women's rights, voting rights, the will of the people, democracy and the democratic process.
Liberals will win control of Wisconsin Supreme Court
https://www.ketr.org/2023-04-04/for-the-first-time-in-15-years-liberals-win-control-of-the-wisconsin-supreme-court
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/04/politics/wisconsin-election-supreme-court-results/index.html
One less swing state, Donnie "the Devil" J. Dummkopf, can't make another infamous "11th Hour" call, and ask for 11,700 votes....kkkk!
Huge Win!! Huge Progressive Wisconsin's Supreme Court Win!!
Liberal Judge (Janet Protasiewicz) wins Wisconsins Supreme Court election, and looks to save and restore women's pregnancy rights and equal voter rights, in a swing state that traditionally votes 50/50, but under the heavy handed and heavily gerrymandering of congressional maps by State Repubs, in recent times over the last several years, has been skewed more red than purple.
Wisconsinites reject Republican partisan extremism and affirm restore women's rights, voting rights, the will of the people, democracy and the democratic process.
Liberals will win control of Wisconsin Supreme Court
https://www.ketr.org/2023-04-04/for-the-first-time-in-15-years-liberals-win-control-of-the-wisconsin-supreme-court
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/04/politics/wisconsin-election-supreme-court-results/index.html
One less swing state, Donnie "the Devil" J. Dummkopf, can't make another infamous "11th Hour" call, and ask for 11,700 votes....kkkk!Yes, we can file this in a years' long series of historic wins for the Dems under the "Dems Keep Losing" heading promoted by outright Repubs and stealth Bothsider / Neithersider Repubs.
You'll find it next to the "Repub Stewardship Producing Every Great Recession And Massive Jobs Destruction of the Past 100 Years and None of the Historic Expansions and Jobs Creation is Merely a Wild, Inexplicable Coincidence" file and right there after the "No USA-involved Wars Were Started Under Repubs, only Dems, Oh Except For The Civil War, the Vietnam War, The War in Kuwait, The War in Afghanistan, The War in Iraq, etc" file.
Elvis 2008
04-06-23, 11:47
Great piece on the latest dangers posed to US hegemony by the likely expansion of BRICS, as a result of USA foriegn policy bullying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnCudOKNzm0BRIC was termed made by some Goldman Sachs banker artificially linking large third world economies. It was named in 2001, and I first heard of it in 2004.
When I was in Brazil in 2004, it was 2. 5 reals to the dollar. Now it is 5 to the dollar.
The Russian Ruble has gone from 20 rubles to the dollar to 80 in the last 20 years.
The Indian Rupee has gone from around 45 rupees to the dollar to now 80 in the last 20 years.
The star of the show is the Chinese yuan. It has gone from 8 yuan to the dollar to about 7 now. As to why the yuan will never be the world's reserve currency, there is this, https://foreignpolicynews.org/2022/03/28/the-chinese-yuan-will-never-replace-the-us-dollar-as-the-worlds-reserve-currency/.
Geopolitician Peter Zeihan compares and contrasts the idea of money between the United States and China. In the United States, money is regarded as an economic good. In China, money is regarded as a political good. In the United States, money has value in and of itself. In China, money is a political good, and only has value if it can be used to achieve a political goal. The concepts of rate of return or profit margins do not exist in China, and therein lies the danger; eventually the law of supply and demand will win out, and the Chinese economy will have to face a correction. The longer it takes to face this economic correction, the greater damage that the inevitable correction will cause to the Chinese economy.
While the United States has an open economy, and money can be moved into and out of the United States at will, The Chinese government imposes capital control over moving money out of China.
By restricting the flow of capital in and out of China, investors risk losing all of their wealth should a political crisis develop that leads to an economic crisis or spiral into armed conflict.
In addition, the Chinese banking system is a complete disaster. If real estate in China were marked to market, they would all be insolvent.
If there were a currency that could compete with the dollar, it would not be a BRIC currency but the Euro. The Euro has the German influence all over it and the Germans are determined to have a hard currency but even with that, the banking sector in Europe is in horrible shape and that threatens the value of the Euro. Believe it or not, the banks in the USA are on much more solid ground than those in China and Europe.
And TK, you were in Venezuela. That is a nation that talked constant shit about the USA, was determined to get off the dollar. They inflated the crap out of the Bolivar to the point no one wanted it, then they tried floating a cryptocurrency no one wanted, and now they have given up and gone back to taking the dollar.
I have been listening to the dollar's demise going on for decades now, and anyone dumb enough to have invested in that idea has gotten killed. The dollar will be the world's reserve currency for the next 100 years.
Always go to the source and read a little.
https://www.secretservice.gov/about/faq/generalHere you go, from the source.
"How long do former presidents receive Secret Service protection after they leave office?
In 1965, Congress authorized the Secret Service (Public Law 89-186) to protect a former president and his / her spouse during their lifetime, unless they decline protection. ".
Great piece on the latest dangers posed to US hegemony by the likely expansion of BRICS, as a result of USA foriegn policy bullying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnCudOKNzm0Like we'll be seeing Yuan quotes at your local cambio everywhere? With the smallest spread on the board?
Otherwise, what's to think about? Unless you are like twenty-years' old and if you are and you're here at that age, then you've got other, bigger problems going on than exchange rates.
BRIC was termed made by some Goldman Sachs banker artificially linking large third world economies. It was named in 2001, and I first heard of it in 2004.
I have been listening to the dollar's demise going on for decades now, and anyone dumb enough to have invested in that idea has gotten killed. The dollar will be the world's reserve currency for the next 100 years.There is nothing artificial about BRICS. It is an official organisation. They have a forum planned for August 2023 in Durban. SA have invited Putin and already have refused the notion of having him arrested. There are plenty of countries now wanting to join BRICS, no doubt the majority of the ex or current victims of USA intimidation and crimes. Iran, Argentina and Algeria have applied to join BRICS. Indonesia, Egypt, Nigeria and Saudi Arabia could become part of the association. It already represents 40% of the world's population. The expanded BRICS would easily take it past 50%.
It doesn't have to replace the USD, simply offer an alternative for abused countries.
Like we'll be seeing Yuan quotes at your local cambio everywhere? With the smallest spread on the board?
Otherwise, what's to think about? Unless you are like twenty-years' old and if you are and you're here at that age, then you've got other, bigger problems going on than exchange rates.Sorry, I have no idea what you mean.
Yawn. Another Democratic douche saying this is about the law and not political. Ha ha!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11922695/Alan-Dershowitz-says-Trump-trial-moved-STATEN-ISLAND.html
Dershowitz said that Trump's hush money case, filed by the Manhattan the, was impossibly prejudiced owing to Manhattan being a Democrat stronghold.
Dershowitz said the trial should be held instead in Staten Island. The only one of New York City's five boroughs to regularly vote Republican.
And you know what the chances are this case is moved to Staten Island CM, slim and none, and slim just left town.
Oh yeah, this is all about the law. Did your nose grow as you typed that?Does New York State law state that a misdemeanor to cover up another misdemeanor can be tried as a felony? Yes.
Did Donnie the Dumbass "cook the books" and mis-report the hush money payment to Stormy as something else? Yes, and it needs to be proven in court.
Was the above mis-reporting of the payment designed to assist Donnie the Dumbass in winning the 2016 election? Yes, and it needs to be proven in court.
Did a New York grand jury decide to indict (or is it indicate?) Donnie the Dumbass? Yes.
Will Donnie the Dumbass get his "day in court"? Yes.
Does every Repub in the USA believe that any trial of Donnie the Dumbass is political. Duh, yes.
Does every Repub in the USA believe that Donnie the Dumbass is above the law. Duh, yes.
You'll find it next to the "Repub Stewardship Producing Every Great Recession And Massive Jobs Destruction of the Past 100 Years and None of the Historic Expansions and Jobs Creation is Merely a Wild, Inexplicable Coincidence" file and right there after the "No USA-involved Wars Were Started Under Repubs, only Dems, Oh Except For The Civil War, the Vietnam War, The War in Kuwait, The War in Afghanistan, The War in Iraq, etc" file.Much of this isn't true, and has been comprehensively demonstrated as untrue many times here on this thread, especially with evidence of significant economic expansion and success during the 1950's under Ike, and in the unassailable fact that knee jerk Southern Democrats caused the Civil War with their fear and insistence on preserving the institution of slavery. They also began the hostilities. But it's actually hilarious when we have a bored, California leftist camped out in Southeast Asia on here daily so hell bent on preserving a Repub / Dem fake dichotomy that he reaches back to the Civil War to blame the liberal party of the day. Lolol Reminds me of the conservatives that want to blame modern Dems for the KKK, same gross error as over time the roles of the parties have reversed.
But anyway I've already posted my links and evidence a dozen times and am not doing it again, but this is the fallacy Tooms has going, twist or ignore all rebuttals and keep repeating the same errant talking points over and over. My retirement is just around the corner and I sure hope I find better things to do on a daily basis than that. Wink.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_nauseam
He has these going as well, the old false dichotomy and black and white thinking error.
https://www.studysmarter.us/explanations/english/rhetoric/false-dichotomy/
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white
Why did the southern Democrats secede from the Union? "State rights, correct?" State rights to do WHAT? Own slaves. They tell you with their own words, in the minutes of state legislatures concerned with secession and in precise comments from the leaders of the Confederacy. Yea the southern Democrats not only fired the first shot but in all other respects caused the Civil War. Slavery was the very motivation of their actions. No amount of "Democrat good / Republican Bad" posturing day after day even back to 1860 in a hooker forum is going to change that (eyeroll).
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/secession-the-confederate-flag-and-slavery
Would be nice if it were never necessary, or if we didn't need armed police departments or personal self defense, but that's not the real world. And since when did Republicans "start" the "War in Kuwait?" Lolol This was a multi-national, UN sanctioned response to Iraq's invasion. Iraq was repeatedly warned to get out but refused. Today Kuwait is an important partner in the region, and our relations with them are good and cooperative.
https://mei.edu/publications/beyond-post-desert-storm-how-elevate-us-kuwait-security-partnership
It's also worth asking what the future would have looked like had Lincoln not acted to preserve the Union. We likely would not be the great nation we are today. How would the world wars have turned out? Though a "Republican Lolol" (whatever that meant in 1861) Lincoln's place among America's greatest heros is deserved.
But anyway I got enough going here to keep Tooms scrambling and typing away for the best part of a morning or afternoon, and that's the objective. There's plenty enough hyper-partisan websites and far left anti-war hogwash online for him to come up with something to ramble on about.
Would be nice if it were never necessary, or if we didn't need armed police departments or personal self defense, but that's not the real world. And since when did Republicans "start" the "War in Kuwait?" Lolol This was a multi-national, UN sanctioned response to Iraq's invasion. Iraq was repeatedly warned to get out but refused. Today Kuwait is an important partner in the region, and our relations with them are good and cooperative.
https://mei.edu/publications/beyond-post-desert-storm-how-elevate-us-kuwait-security-partnership
It's also worth asking what the future would have looked like had Lincoln not acted to preserve the Union. We likely would not be the great nation we are today. How would the world wars have turned out? Though a "Republican Lolol" (whatever that meant in 1861) Lincoln's place among America's greatest heros is deserved..My "files" examples were reactions to recent Repub Winger posts.
One Repub Winger, Tiny, recently posted this:
However, in the end, I believe the researchers came up with a spurious correlation, like Tooms' spurious correlations between Republican Presidents and recessions, lower GDP growth, higher unemployment, and a pandemic. Or mine between Democratic Presidents and the number of Americans who've died in wars that started when they were in office. There's no cause and effect.I notice you, already a highly suspect advertant or inadvertent pro Repub Winger Bothsider / Neithersider, offered no objections to another Repub Winger alluding to dead Americans in wars REGARDLESS whether or not the Dem in the WH had anything whatsoever to do with "starting" it. No problem with you in him doing that, right?
And you will now please notice something you presumably failed to notice or refused to notice in my "files" examples to which you devoted not one but two outraged objections replies; I did not say anything about wars "started" by the POTUS at the time.
Another Repub Winger, Elvis, even more recently posted this:
To me, it is not even Democrat or Republican any more, it is pro or antiwar party presidents. Bernie Sanders is anti-war party and you can be damned sure he will never get a nomination. That is what this is really all about. A trump victory means no more trillion dollar blowjobs to the defense industry.The clear inference being Dems are "pro war" while Trump's Repub Party is "antiwar". Lololol.
Please note that TWO recent presidents ordered boots-on-the-ground combat by USA military in the THREE most recent wars in which the USA military fought; Kuwait, Afghanistan and Iraq.
Neither of them were Dems.
Biden has not ordered such a thing.
Obama did not order such a thing.
Clinton did not order such a thing.
Carter did not order such a thing.
Again, not one word of objection from you about that mischaracterization of which Party is pro war and which Party is antiwar. Interesting, isn't it?
Next.
Now, the only thing I recall you providing that suggested those Happy Days under Ike were good for the working man was some opinion piece where the dude who wrote it said so without any linked data to substantiate that opinion.
By stark contrast, I provided links showing the USA suffered through three, not one, not two, but three Recessions during Ike's 8 years in office, that his economy produced one of the worst jobs creating records in the past century and that the working man in America was so opposed to him and his Party that every major labor union in the country endorsed his right hand man's Dem opponent in 1960.
You got anything to refute the actual data, the verifiable record of results and the historical facts about that yet? Or do you only have your recommendation to watch a couple of episodes of Happy Days to see how much fun it looked like Ritchie and The Fonz were having at the time?
Elvis 2008
04-10-23, 14:20
My "files" examples were reactions to recent Repub Winger posts.
One Repub Winger, Tiny, recently posted this:
Another Repub Winger, Elvis, even more recently posted this:How do you take a post where I am complimenting Bernie freaking Sanders on being anti-war and call that a right winger post?
Oh right, I forgot who I was talking about. There is no such thing as an antiwar and prowar party. Everything HAS to be split into Republicans and Democrats.
And all the prowar Dems (Wilson, FDR, Truman, LBJ) do not count. Only the Bushes count. Sigh. Bagdad Bob strikes again.
Republicans bad, Dems good, and the facts do not matter. Hell, that should be your tag line Tooms.
Elvis 2008
04-10-23, 14:39
It doesn't have to replace the USD, simply offer an alternative for abused countries.TK, I just showed you that you have no data to back that up.
Take your worker in Colombia versus El Salvador where the dollar is used versus a native currency. You take a worker who saves a $1000 a year in Colombia versus El Salvador. Twenty years later, the guy in El Salvador has double what the guy in Colombia does because the Colombian Peso has gone to shit without even taking into account interest. Toss that in and the guy in El Salvador is on the order of 3 to 4 X richer than the guy in Colombia.
So are you for people being poorer? And then there is this bullshit about USA oppression? The truth is the USA has done a better job of managing its currency than Colombia has and almost all other parts of the world. Only Europe and the Euro can come close.
And BRICS? China is the largest economy in BRICS, and their currency is propped up and pegged to the dollar, and you do not see much of it being exchanged in the currency markets because China does not let out that much of it out. If China let the yuan float, it would be devalued in no time.
Everything with you is the USA abuses other nations when the truth is so many countries print up money to solve their problems thus devaluing their currency. All third world countries are good; it is just the USA is evil.
The USA has never defaulted on its debt. Argentina and Venezuela have gone bankrupt like a combined 20 times, and they have not had any crippling wars like Europe or even Asia has had. Your blaming the USA lets those nations and their shitty monetary policies off the hook.
There are plenty of instances of American policy fucking countries up. Maybe you can name a few where the USA is actually guilty of doing something wrong versus just blaming us for everything.
How do you take a post where I am complimenting Bernie freaking Sanders on being anti-war and call that a right winger post?
Oh right, I forgot who I was talking about. There is no such thing as an antiwar and prowar party. Everything HAS to be split into Republicans and Democrats.
And all the prowar Dems (Wilson, FDR, Truman, LBJ) do not count. Only the Bushes count. Sigh. Bagdad Bob strikes again.
Republicans bad, Dems good, and the facts do not matter. Hell, that should be your tag line Tooms.Bernie Sanders is not a Dem. A pro Repub pretend Bothsider vote for a useless in reality Third Party Socialist candidate Bernie Sanders in a national election might as well be an outright vote for the America-hating Repub candidate. But you already know that.
Your post suggested Trump's Repub Party is antwar. They initiated boots-on-the-ground USA combat maneuvers in all of the past three wars in which the USA fought over the past 35 years. Dems? Zero.
LOL. You even praised Repub Trump for not giving the defense industry a Trillion Dollar blowjob but he sure gave a good imitation of giving it a whopping $750 Billion blowjob. What was that worth in blowjob terms? One less stroke at the finish?
BTW, I'm sure Paulie will jump in any minute now to slam you for all those "falsehoods" and point out that Wilson did not "start" WW1, the same with FDR re WW2, Truman re the Korean War and, of course, LBJ re the Vietnam War, where Ike had already replaced French military boots-on-the-ground with USA boots-on-the-ground by 1954, about a year before the Vietnam War officially began by many historian's assessment.
Out of the 623,715 USA military fatalities during the 20th and 21st centuries, 602,450 occurred under Democrat Presidents:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1009819/total-us-military-fatalities-in-american-wars-1775-present/
Most of the 21,267 deaths under Republicans occurred in Vietnam, when President Nixon was extracting us from that conflict, which LBJ started.
So Democrat Presidents are responsible for over 95% of the deaths of our young men and women.
Democrats are a bloodthirsty lot. A Democratic Party president will start a war at the drop of a hat to boost his approval rating. Democrats know the best way to win an election or pull the country out of a recession is to start a war.
And this post, like all my others on this topic, is satirical. Like I said, there's no cause and effect. For some reason Tooms feels compelled to argue against what I'm labeling as a spurious correlation. I do not believe Democrats are any more responsible for war deaths than Republicans.
Why did the southern Democrats secede from the Union? "State rights, correct?" State rights to do WHAT? Own slaves. They tell you with their own words, in the minutes of state legislatures concerned with secession and in precise comments from the leaders of the Confederacy. Yea the southern Democrats not only fired the first shot but in all other respects caused the Civil War. Slavery was the very motivation of their actions. No amount of "Democrat good / Republican Bad" posturing day after day even back to 1860 in a hooker forum is going to change that (eyeroll).
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/secession-the-confederate-flag-and-slaveryYes, it is curious that Tooms is compelled to label the Civil War as a Republican War. Presumably if he maintains that the present day Republican Party should accept responsibility for the Civil War, then he believes present day Democrats should accept responsibility for slavery and 100 years of Jim Crow and repression afterwards.
BTW, I'm sure Paulie will jump in any minute now to slam you for all those "falsehoods" and point out that Wilson did not "start" WW1, the same with FDR re WW2, Truman re the Korean War and, of course, LBJ re the Vietnam War, where Ike had already replaced French military boots-on-the-ground with USA boots-on-the-ground by 1954, about a year before the Vietnam War officially began by many historian's assessment.Agreed except for the Vietnam War. Only two Congressmen voted against the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, so it's not fair to pin the War entirely on LBJ. However you mischaracterize Eisenhower's role. Only nine out of 58,220 American casualties in Vietnam occurred during the Eisenhower administration.
https://www.archives.gov/research/military/vietnam-war/casualty-statistics
Now that I've cleared that up, it would be nice if you'd admit that Republican Presidents weren't responsible for recessions in 1981, 1990, and 2008, and the 2020 pandemic.
How do you take a post where I am complimenting Bernie freaking Sanders on being anti-war and call that a right winger post?
Indeed.
Bernie Sanders is not a Dem. A pro Repub pretend Bothsider vote for a useless in reality Third Party Socialist candidate Bernie Sanders in a national election might as well be an outright vote for the America-hating Repub candidate. So say Bernie Sanders, the #2 vote getter in the Democratic primaries in 2016 and 2020, had been running against Trump in the general election, instead of Clinton and Biden respectively. Would a vote for Sanders effectively be an outright vote for Trump?
That said, you are wise to view Sanders with suspicion. Like Elvis, I like Sanders' anti-war stance. But if he had become president I would have high tailed it out of the country. I might have ended up one of your neighbors in the Land of Smiles!
Out of the 623,715 USA military fatalities during the 20th and 21st centuries, 602,450 occurred under Democrat Presidents:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1009819/total-us-military-fatalities-in-american-wars-1775-present/
Most of the 21,267 deaths under Republicans occurred in Vietnam, when President Nixon was extracting us from that conflict, which LBJ started.
So Democrat Presidents are responsible for over 95% of the deaths of our young men and women.
Democrats are a bloodthirsty lot. A Democratic president will start a war at the drop of a hat to boost his approval rating and pump money into the economy.
And this post, like all my others on this topic, is satirical. Like I said, there's no cause and effect. For some reason Tooms feels compelled to argue against what I'm labeling as a spurious correlation. I do not believe Democrats are any more responsible for war deaths than Republicans.
Yes, it is curious that Tooms is compelled to label the Civil War as a Republican War. Presumably if he maintains that the present day Republican Party should accept responsibility for the Civil War, then he believes present day Democrats should accept responsibility for slavery and 100 years of Jim Crow and repression afterwards.
Agreed except for the Vietnam War. Only two Congressmen voted against the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, so it's not fair to pin the War entirely on LBJ. However you mischaracterize Eisenhower's role. Only nine out of 58,220 American casualties in Vietnam occurred during the Eisenhower administration.
https://www.archives.gov/research/military/vietnam-war/casualty-statistics
Now that I've fessed up, it would be nice if you'd admit that Republican Presidents weren't responsible for recessions in 1981, 1990, and 2008, and the 2020 pandemic.Yours is one of the most disingenuous, intellectually dishonest posts that I have read in a long, long time. Let's have a look at the 10 deadliest wars in American history:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/americas-10-deadliest-wars-2014-05-23
1. American Civil War = Republican President: and to say that it doesn't count because it was a different Republican party from a long time ago is a bunch of malarky!
2. World War 2 = Democratic President: America was sucker punched by Japan and Hitler was running amuck around Europe and North Africa. If ever there was a war worth fighting this one was it!
3. World War 1 = Democratic President: we should have dealt with the Hun more appropriately then (was too punitive a peace towards Germany), and had we, then we could have headed off the rise of the Nazis.
4. Vietnam War = Republican President: to be fair this tragic war spanned a number of administrations, but it was a Republican who got us into it (Eisenhower) and a Republican who oversaw our shameful withdrawal in defeat from it (Nixon).
5, Korean War = Republican President: Vietnam wasn't enough no sir so the GOP dragged us kicking and screaming into another east Asian war (excuse me "police action" that would be).
6. Mexican-American War = Democratic President: this war of aggression against Mexico goes even further back than the American Civil War so, if in your view the latter doesn't count against a changed Republican party, how in the world can you hold with a straight face that this one should count against a Democratic party that too has changed over time?
7. Iraq War (there were actually two) = Republican President: need I really say more (the GOP started this mess in search of weapons of mass destruction mission accomplished)?
8. Revolutionary War = Non-partisan President: no comment other than this one goes way, way back!
9. Spanish-American War = Republican President: the GOP was in the White House when this "yellow journalism" fueled war allowed one of the most disgusting Republican war mongers of all time Theodore Roosevelt to rise to fame and eventually seize the Oval Office himself.
10. Afghanistan War = Republican President: well old Georgie boy was at it again, and Donald Chump left Biden standing there holding a stinky bag of shit!
What say ye now my fellows?
TK, I just showed you that you have no data to back that up.
Take your worker in Colombia versus El Salvador where the dollar is used versus a native currency.
So are you for people being poorer? And then there is this bullshit about USA oppression? The truth is the USA has done a better job of managing its currency than Colombia has and almost all other parts of the world. Only Europe and the Euro can come close.
And BRICS? China is the largest economy in BRICS, and their currency is propped up and pegged to the dollar.
Everything with you is the USA abuses other nations when the truth is so many countries print up money to solve their problems thus devaluing their currency.
The USA has never defaulted on its debt. Your blaming the USA lets those nations and their shitty monetary policies off the hook.
There are plenty of instances of American policy fucking countries up. Maybe you can name a few where the USA is actually guilty of doing something wrong versus just blaming us for everything.I have no data to back it up? Back what up exactly? TBH I have no idea what you are talking abot there.
Colombia v El Salvador. Again, no idea what claim you are trying to make. Just a random story without any clear purpose.
About the dollar bing a strong currency and others being weak. All of this was bcos of the petrodollar. US economy and dollar has been supported by US bullying of other countries in to mandaory use of dollar to buy oil. Its nothing more than that. But those days are over. Now Saudi is, France, Japan, Brazil, Russia, China, 20 countiries are all chooisng to ditch the dollar. So that USA can no longer bully them.
"Maybe you can name a few where the USA is actually guilty of doing something wrong" - you serious? Whch week? Just this past week I can name 3.
1 USA bulying Mexico bcos govt wants to buy operate state owned power plants. USA wants the Mex energy industry open to US corporate exploitation.
2 USA bullying Saudi bcos Russia and China have brokered peace deals with Syria and Iran. USA does not want peace, it wants constant militray oppression of Iran and Syria.
3. USA bullying UN Sec Council not to open investigation in to casue of Nord Stream pipeline terrorism. Its obvious why USA doesn't want this bcos it committed a gross terrorist action against soverign infrastructure and caused huge environmental and financial damage.
Its every week. It seems ever clearer that the USA is a sinking ship, no different to any other fallen empire. Its is getting desperate to hold on to power, that is clear in its ever more belligerent and authoritarian stance, both domestically and internationally. Yet it can do nothing to change it. The tide has turned. Thank goodness.
Now, the only thing I recall you providing that suggested those Happy Days under Ike were good for the working man was some opinion piece where the dude who wrote it said so without any linked data to substantiate that opinion.
By stark contrast, I provided links showing the USA suffered through three, not one, not two, but three Recessions during Ike's 8 years in office, that his economy produced one of the worst jobs creating records in the past century and that the working man in America was so opposed to him and his Party that every major labor union in the country endorsed his right hand man's Dem opponent in 1960.
You got anything to refute the actual data, the verifiable record of results and the historical facts about that yet? Or do you only have your recommendation to watch a couple of episodes of Happy Days to see how much fun it looked like Ritchie and The Fonz were having at the time?Who cares. Eisenhower is ancient history. Saying he's representative of the modern Republican Party makes about as much sense as saying the Democrats who held back Civil Rights reforms in the 1950's and 1960's are representative of the Democratic Party today. Maximum marginal tax rates during the Eisenhower administration were 91%, for goodness sake. The economy, coincidentally or not, did take off when Kennedy cut tax rates, to 70% for the top bracket. While I wasn't alive when Eisenhower was president, I suspect he didn't do a bad job compared to the others. According to the history books, you can attribute the recessions to Fed policy, not the fact that the president was a Republican.
In my book the only great president during our adult lifetimes was Ronald Reagan, and Clinton during his second term was the only good one. Again coincidentally or not, GDP grew more during their terms than other modern Presidents. But it's their policies and their abilities to work across the aisle that set them above the rest. George H. W. Bush wasn't bad either. He was handicapped by when he came to the office in relation to the economic cycle.
I have no data to back it up? Back what up exactly? TBH I have no idea what you are talking abot there.
Colombia v El Salvador. Again, no idea what claim you are trying to make. Just a random story without any clear purpose.
About the dollar bing a strong currency and others being weak. All of this was bcos of the petrodollar. US economy and dollar has been supported by US bullying of other countries in to mandaory use of dollar to buy oil. Its nothing more than that. But those days are over. Now Saudi is, France, Japan, Brazil, Russia, China, 20 countiries are all chooisng to ditch the dollar. So that USA can no longer bully them.
"Maybe you can name a few where the USA is actually guilty of doing something wrong" - you serious? Whch week? Just this past week I can name 3.
1 USA bulying Mexico bcos govt wants to buy operate state owned power plants. USA wants the Mex energy industry open to US corporate exploitation.
2 USA bullying Saudi bcos Russia and China have brokered peace deals with Syria and Iran. USA does not want peace, it wants constant militray oppression of Iran and Syria.
3. USA bullying UN Sec Council not to open investigation in to casue of Nord Stream pipeline terrorism. Its obvious why USA doesn't want this bcos it committed a gross terrorist action against soverign infrastructure and caused huge environmental and financial damage.
Its every week. It seems ever clearer that the USA is a sinking ship, no different to any other fallen empire. Its is getting desperate to hold on to power, that is clear in its ever more belligerent and authoritarian stance, both domestically and internationally. Yet it can do nothing to change it. The tide has turned. Thank goodness.I agree with you on "2".
I disagree on "3", as based on what I've read, I believe Ukrainians are responsible for the action against the pipeline. Although it wouldn't surprise me if the USA is covering for the Ukrainians.
I'm not sure about "1. " Normally I'd say that nationalizing Mexican power plants is stupid, especially given how Pemex (the inefficient, corrupt national oil company) has turned out. It's a basket case. But crony capitalism is rampant in Mexico. Look at Cemex and Carlos Slim, who gouge consumers. I suspect it's a bad move on AMLO's part, as the power plants are owned by private Spanish interests, which probably operate more efficiently and in the long run will deliver electricity at cheaper prices than the Mexican state. Unlike the Mexican crony capitalists and the narcotraficantes, the Spanish probably aren't buying off the politicians and bureaucrats. Yes, it does seem like this is a matter for the Mexicans and the Spanish. A little off topic, I believe U.S. investment in Mexico has benefited both countries. Most here would probably disagree with me.
Yours is one of the most disingenuous, intellectually dishonest posts that I have read in a long, long time. Let's have a look at the 10 deadliest wars in American history:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/americas-10-deadliest-wars-2014-05-23
1. American Civil War = Republican President: and to say that it doesn't count because it was a different Republican party from a long time ago is a bunch of malarky!
2. World War 2 = Democratic President: America was sucker punched by Japan and Hitler was running amuck around Europe and North Africa. If ever there was a war worth fighting this one was it!
3. World War 1 = Democratic President: we should have dealt with the Hun more appropriately then (was too punitive a peace towards Germany), and had we, then we could have headed off the rise of the Nazis.
4. Vietnam War = Republican President: to be fair this tragic war spanned a number of administrations, but it was a Republican who got us into it (Eisenhower) and a Republican who oversaw our shameful withdrawal in defeat from it (Nixon).
5, Korean War = Republican President: Vietnam wasn't enough no sir so the GOP dragged us kicking and screaming into another east Asian war (excuse me "police action" that would be).
6. Mexican-American War = Democratic President: this war of aggression against Mexico goes even further back than the American Civil War so, if in your view the latter doesn't count against a changed Republican party, how in the world can you hold with a straight face that this one should count against a Democratic party that too has changed over time?
7. Iraq War (there were actually two) = Republican President: need I really say more (the GOP started this mess in search of weapons of mass destruction mission accomplished)?
8. Revolutionary War = Non-partisan President: no comment other than this one goes way, way back!
9. Spanish-American War = Republican President: the GOP was in the White House when this "yellow journalism" fueled war allowed one of the most disgusting Republican war mongers of all time Theodore Roosevelt to rise to fame and eventually seize the Oval Office himself.
10. Afghanistan War = Republican President: well old Georgie boy was at it again, and Donald Chump left Biden standing there holding a stinky bag of shit!
What say ye now my fellows?Cane, PLEASE READ. And perhaps look up the definitions of "satirical", "spurious correlaton" and "cause and effect" if you don't know what those mean. I said, "I do not believe Democrats are any more responsible for war deaths than Republicans. " I don't know how I could have been clearer:
And this post, like all my others on this topic, is satirical. Like I said, there's no cause and effect. For some reason Tooms feels compelled to argue against what I'm labeling as a spurious correlation. I do not believe Democrats are any more responsible for war deaths than Republicans.Again, if you're going to illogically hold the modern day Republican Party responsible for the Civil War, then it's only fair that you illogically hold today's Democrats responsible for slavery, Jim Crow and repression of Civil Rights. And it's a little ridiculous to hold Eisenhower responsible for 58,000 deaths in Vietnam, when he was only around for 9 of them. The icing on the cake is that then you criticize Nixon for getting us out of the same war that Eisenhower allegedly got us into!
Vietnam was a bipartisan war, and like I said, I don't see the logic in calling LBJ the responsible party when only two members of the Senate and House voted against the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution.
Please note that the Korean War went from June, 1950, when Truman was president, to July, 1953. Eisenhower took office in January, 1953. FYI, Truman was a Democrat.
Also please note my spurious correlation that showed over 95% of American military deaths in the 20th and 21st centuries were attributable to Democratic Presidents would only apply to wars fought after 1900. If you’ve got a problem with that, please take more time to understand what “spurious correlation” means.
Cane, PLEASE READ. And perhaps look up the definitions of "satirical", "spurious correlaton" and "cause and effect" if you don't know what those mean. I said, "I do not believe Democrats are any more responsible for war deaths than Republicans. " I don't know how I could have been clearer.I made my points, which were also intended to be in part satirical. I see they had the intended effect hehehe! And by the way, those same Democrats were the ones who eventually got onboard with the civil rights movement and passed significant civil rights legislation. This is why the majority of African Americans identify with the Democratic party today. And the southerners who still objected they turned to the Republican party, the party of Lincoln. How ironic. Things, including political parties, can and do change. And truth can be stranger than fiction.
Who cares. Eisenhower is ancient history. Saying he's representative of the modern Republican Party makes about as much sense as saying the Democrats who held back Civil Rights reforms in the 1950's and 1960's are representative of the Democratic Party today. Maximum marginal tax rates during the Eisenhower administration were 91%, for goodness sake. The economy, coincidentally or not, did take off when Kennedy cut tax rates, to 70% for the top bracket. While I wasn't alive when Eisenhower was president, I suspect he didn't do a bad job compared to the others. According to the history books, you can attribute the recessions to Fed policy, not the fact that the president was a Republican.
In my book the only great president during our adult lifetimes was Ronald Reagan, and Clinton during his second term was the only good one. Again coincidentally or not, GDP grew more during their terms than other modern Presidents. But it's their policies and their abilities to work across the aisle that set them above the rest. George H. W. Bush wasn't bad either. He was handicapped by when he came to the office in relation to the economic cycle.If course the dragging, poor jobs-creating Eisenhower economy took off after Kennedy's tax cuts. That is one of the main reasons I vote for Dems and have said so many times; I LOVE their tax cuts because they WORK to produce jobs and expand the economy, unlike Repub tax cuts that work quite well to produce Great Depressions / Great Recessions and destroy jobs by the millions.
Here's the deal: Kennedy's tax cuts were not Repub-style Supply-Side / Trickle-Down tax cuts disproportionately high for the top income margin and paid for by everyone else. Far from it. The percent of cuts to the middle and lower income margins was greater than the percentage for the top margin, particularly when you factor in the allowances in the tax code.
That would be the OPPOSITE of what Repubs celebrate and congratulate themselves for with their disproportionately high tax cuts for the wealthy.
LOL. Repubs and Bothsider / Neithersider Repubs always point to Kennedy's cut for the top margin from 90% or so to 70% or so, never mention the rest of it and try to bamboozle anyone who will listen into swallowing that as proof that their beloved tax cuts for the wealthy is the way to create jobs and expand the economy like FDR did, Truman did Kennedy / LBJ did, Carter did, Clinton did, Obama did and Biden has by just putting more money into the pockets of wealthy people and nothing about the far more difficut work on all those other devilishly complicated details.
I agree with you on "2".
I disagree on "3".
I'm not sure about "1. But Tiny, God damn, your missing the entire point! Its not about whether you think USA Govt position is right or wrong. Its about them trying to enforce what they want on other soveriegn nations. What right do they have to dictate in this matters? Since WW2 they think they have some god given right, or exceptionalism that permits them to do it. But that IS BS. It is just bullying might is right mafia big boss tactics.
But Tiny, God damn, your missing the entire point! Its not about whether you think USA Govt position is right or wrong. Its about them trying to enforce what they want on other soveriegn nations. What right do they have to dictate in this matters? Since WW2 they think they have some god given right, or exceptionalism that permits them to do it. But that IS BS. It is just bullying might is right mafia big boss tactics.In general terms, I agree. I would have used different examples, like imposing FATCA on every financial institution in the world. And placing sanctions on China and Iran that affect every country. I'd mention Russia, but the EU's sanctions are possibly more stringent than the USA's.
As to violence and mayhem, the USA may have gotten better in the last decade or so. It's not as inclined to overthrow foreign governments as it has been historically. Or maybe it's just better at covering its tracks. Or maybe we'll forget the lessons of Iraq, like we forgot the lessons of Vietnam. When you've got a military budget larger than the next nine highest countries put together I guess you're inclined to throw your weight around.
In general terms, I agree. I would have used different examples, like imposing FATCA on every financial institution in the world. And placing sanctions on China and Iran that affect every country. I'd mention Russia, but the EU's sanctions are possibly more stringent than the USA's.
As to violence and mayhem, the USA may have gotten better in the last decade or so. It's not as inclined to overthrow foreign governments as it has been historically. Or maybe it's just better at covering its tracks. Or maybe we'll forget the lessons of Iraq, like we forgot the lessons of Vietnam. When you've got a military budget larger than the next nine highest countries put together I guess you're inclined to throw your weight around.Agree with everything you wrote. As for the examples I chose. Sure, there are better examples. But Elvis was showing a short memory and seems to think I never have any examples. So I choose from the past week. :)
I think the USA has overthrown fewer governments recently simply bcos it is not capable. It is not for the want of trying.
Elvis 2008
04-12-23, 18:06
But Elvis was showing a short memory and seems to think I never have any examples. So I choose from the past week. Nope, that is not what I meant. I meant if you are going to accuse the USA of bad things, find an example where we have done something wrong. There are tons of examples: USA / Iran 1953, USA / Guatemala 1954, USA / Chile 1970's.
However, you were talking like the USA is in danger because BRICs nations are going to quit using the dollar when the dollar is the strongest currency the world has known for centuries.
My example of Colombia and El Salvador was to show you that the working middle class / poor were far better off keeping their savings in evil USA dollars than their wonderful native currencies. I showed you that all those BRICs currencies have went to shit.
And when you say this, you still do not get it.
About the dollar bing a strong currency and others being weak. All of this was bcos of the petrodollar.The dollar was the dominant currency before OPEC had any real power. The notion that oil is paid for with dollars meaning anything is negligible because those dollars can instantly be changed into any other commodity or currency. In fact, the Saudis have smartly learned to convert those dollars into shares of corporate stock to get even more money. You once again are showing your financial naivete.
US economy and dollar has been supported by US bullying of other countries in to mandaory use of dollar to buy oil. Its nothing more than that. But those days are over. Now Saudi is, France, Japan, Brazil, Russia, China, 20 countiries are all chooisng to ditch the dollar. So that USA can no longer bully them.If Saudi Arabia is paid in Euros, can it change those Euros instantly into USA dollars? If so, why does it matter what they are paid in? And ultimately, a currency means a storage of value. I just showed you where holding currencies other than the USA dollar has been a fool's game. Again, you do not get it.
As for "those days being over", you miss the two larger points. Are you going to move a supertanker without insurance? And who dominates the shipping insurance industry? Argentina and Venezuela typically cannot get insurance for their cargo, and you can see where their economies have gone. This insurance issue has been quite the problem for Russia trading with China.
Then there is the USA navy and piracy. We the American taxpayer are paying for safety on the seas. World piracy is negligible because of the USA navy.
And that is where you are missing the point. People have to have faith the USA dollar will not go to shit. They have to have faith an insurance company will pay if disaster hits. And they have to have faith their cargo is not going to be seized by pirates.
You can do all the financial engineering you want. At the end of the day, the USA dollar, insurance industry, and Navy have been trustworthy, and you cannot get that faith and trust with a cheap financial engineering trick.
I cannot believe you went to Venezuela and believed all the hogwash about the USA. Venezuela should be as rich as Saudi Arabia if Venezuela were as trustworthy. The Venezuelan culture unlike the Arab culture and culture in Chile is one in which stealing is okay. Because of that, I would not buy anything in Venezuela that can easily be stolen, and they have earned that lack of faith.
I do not think you understand how important faith is when it comes to financial institutions.
I made my points, which were also intended to be in part satirical. I see they had the intended effect hehehe! And by the way, those same Democrats were the ones who eventually got onboard with the civil rights movement and passed significant civil rights legislation. This is why the majority of African Americans identify with the Democratic party today. And the southerners who still objected they turned to the Republican party, the party of Lincoln. How ironic. Things, including political parties, can and do change. And truth can be stranger than fiction.OK, Cane, you got me. As to the bold print, that's not necessarily true, or at least not where I live. See this, my reply to PVMonger.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2787118&viewfull=1#post2787118.
The world is very different today than it was 60 or 70 years ago. I believe most people in the USA are not racist. I'd contrast the USA to Thailand, Japan and Argentina, and ask Tooms to weigh in if I could catch him in a nonpartisan mood. But this is better not discussed here, as I believe the moderators rightly prefer we stay away from race as a topic.
Dem Tax Cuts Good. Repub Tax Cuts Crap.Exactly. A Republican and a Democratic president could sign the same legislation into law and you'd praise one and criticize the other. If Clinton hadn't been president when the capital gains tax was cut to 20%, I'm sure you'd criticize the cut.
If course the dragging, poor jobs-creating Eisenhower economy took off after Kennedy's tax cuts. That is one of the main reasons I vote for Dems and have said so many times; I LOVE their tax cuts because they WORK to produce jobs and expand the economy, unlike Repub tax cuts that work quite well to produce Great Depressions / Great Recessions and destroy jobs by the millions.
Here's the deal: Kennedy's tax cuts were not Repub-style Supply-Side / Trickle-Down tax cuts disproportionately high for the top income margin and paid for by everyone else. Far from it. The percent of cuts to the middle and lower income margins was greater than the percentage for the top margin, particularly when you factor in the allowances in the tax code.
That would be the OPPOSITE of what Repubs celebrate and congratulate themselves for with their disproportionately high tax cuts for the wealthy.
LOL. Repubs and Bothsider / Neithersider Repubs always point to Kennedy's cut for the top margin from 90% or so to 70% or so, never mention the rest of it and try to bamboozle anyone who will listen into swallowing that as proof that their beloved tax cuts for the wealthy is the way to create jobs and expand the economy like FDR did, Truman did Kennedy / LBJ did, Carter did, Clinton did, Obama did and Biden has by just putting more money into the pockets of wealthy people and nothing about the far more difficut work on all those other devilishly complicated details.That's just not true as to the tax rate cuts that occurred under Bush and Trump. In percentage terms, the total tax on ordinary income paid by people in lower brackets reduced more than those in higher brackets. Overall the USA Has the most progressive tax system in the developed world, when you include VAT, sales taxes, property taxes, federal and state income taxes, and the employee's share of social security and Medicare CONTRIBUTIONS.
The overall level of taxation and government spending is what's much more important than the progressivity of the system though. The USA and Ireland have very progressive tax systems. Hong Kong has very regressive taxation. Yet all three of these countries (using the term "country" loosely for Hong Kong) overall have among the lowest government revenues and spending (as a % of GDP) and the highest levels of GDP per capita, adjusted for purchasing power. The key is smaller, ideally more efficient government. If the government takes a smaller piece of the pie, that means the private sector takes a larger piece. And the private sector is the engine of jobs and growth. A country is more prosperous when more money is left in the hands of its people and its businesses.
And that's where the current crop of Democrats, unlike Kennedy and perhaps Clinton, have it wrong. They want to make the USA into Europe. And if they're successful, the prosperity of the country will suffer.
Agree with everything you wrote. As for the examples I chose. Sure, there are better examples. But Elvis was showing a short memory and seems to think I never have any examples. So I choose from the past week. :)
I think the USA has overthrown fewer governments recently simply bcos it is not capable. It is not for the want of trying.A couple of other examples came to mind. Impounding the foreign dollar reserves of Iran and Russia, taking assets away from Russian citizens, and imposing an embargo on Cuba were not ideal ways to win friends.
Exactly. A Republican and a Democratic president could sign the same legislation into law and you'd praise one and criticize the other. If Clinton hadn't been president when the capital gains tax was cut to 20%, I'm sure you'd criticize the cut.
That's just not true as to the tax rate cuts that occurred under Bush and Trump. In percentage terms, the total tax on ordinary income paid by people in lower brackets reduced more than those in higher brackets. Overall the USA Has the most progressive tax system in the developed world, when you include VAT, sales taxes, property taxes, federal and state income taxes, and the employee's share of social security and Medicare CONTRIBUTIONS.
The overall level of taxation and government spending is what's much more important than the progressivity of the system though. The USA and Ireland have very progressive tax systems. Hong Kong has very regressive taxation. Yet all three of these countries (using the term "country" loosely for Hong Kong) overall have among the lowest government revenues and spending (as a % of GDP) and the highest levels of GDP per capita, adjusted for purchasing power. The key is smaller, ideally more efficient government. If the government takes a smaller piece of the pie, that means the private sector takes a larger piece. And the private sector is the engine of jobs and growth. A country is more prosperous when more money is left in the hands of its people and its businesses.
And that's where the current crop of Democrats, unlike Kennedy and perhaps Clinton, have it wrong. They want to make the USA into Europe. And if they're successful, the prosperity of the country will suffer.The Repub cuts for all but the super wealthy and corporations under Trump were set to expire within the next couple of election cycles but those for the super wealthy and corporations were not. Consequently, Trump's jobs creation record was crap, especially when you factor in the cost of them, even before he created Trump's Pandemic.
Biden and the Dems' extention of the middle and lower tax cuts are, by definition, Dem Tax Cuts.
And, as usual, they have worked to expand the economy and create millions upon millions of jobs.
GW Bush's Treasury Dept's total lack of attention to anything other than celebrating their unnecessary tax cuts just for show crashed the economy well and surely enough without worry over who got the most tea and cookies before Bush's Titanic sank.
Those pesky details again.
Exactly. A Republican and a Democratic president could sign the same legislation into law and you'd praise one and criticize the other. If Clinton hadn't been president when the capital gains tax was cut to 20%, I'm sure you'd criticize the cut.
That's just not true as to the tax rate cuts that occurred under Bush and Trump. In percentage terms, the total tax on ordinary income paid by people in lower brackets reduced more than those in higher brackets. Overall the USA Has the most progressive tax system in the developed world, when you include VAT, sales taxes, property taxes, federal and state income taxes, and the employee's share of social security and Medicare CONTRIBUTIONS.
The overall level of taxation and government spending is what's much more important than the progressivity of the system though. The USA and Ireland have very progressive tax systems. Hong Kong has very regressive taxation. Yet all three of these countries (using the term "country" loosely for Hong Kong) overall have among the lowest government revenues and spending (as a % of GDP) and the highest levels of GDP per capita, adjusted for purchasing power. The key is smaller, ideally more efficient government. If the government takes a smaller piece of the pie, that means the private sector takes a larger piece. And the private sector is the engine of jobs and growth. A country is more prosperous when more money is left in the hands of its people and its businesses.
And that's where the current crop of Democrats, unlike Kennedy and perhaps Clinton, have it wrong. They want to make the USA into Europe. And if they're successful, the prosperity of the country will suffer.But the tax policies enacted by Clinton and his Dem Congress of 1993 and 1994 led directly to the historic economic expansion and jobs creation of the years that folliwed. Until GW Bush took over with his Repub Congress, got his Repub way and Crashed the economy. And that was despite Nude Grinbitch and his House Repubs trying everything possible to Crash it under Clinton but failing to do so.
So, what was there to criticize about Clinton's economic stewardship? There was no Repub-style economic disaster resulting from it. But Repubs of his day sure warned us there would be. LOL. Pretty much the same way you and other current Repubs say the current crop of Democrats "have it wrong. ".
You think those ancient history Repubs in Kennedy's day weren't telling us the world will come to an end if he gets his way economically? The same for FDR? And most certainly for Clinton, Obama and now Biden?
Your beloved Repubs are ALWAYS wrong about how Dem economic policies and stewardship will destroy the world while theirs are superior. Always. And in the most polar opposite way. Obviously and according to any data and record of results you've got.
"A country is more prosperous when more money is left in the hands of its people and its businesses. ".
Lololol.
Except when Repubs like Coolidge / Hoover, Reagan, GW Bush and Trump decide who gets to keep more money in their hands and who gets to leave it to them. Then the country plunges into historic Great Depressions / Great Recessions and Massive Job Losses in the Millions.
Lolol.
Nope, that is not what I meant. I meant if you are going to accuse the USA of bad things, find an example where we have done something wrong. There are tons of examples: USA / Iran 1953, USA / Guatemala 1954, USA / Chile 1970's.
However, you were talking like the USA is in danger because BRICs nations are going to quit using the dollar when the dollar is the strongest currency the world has known for centuries.
My example of Colombia and El Salvador was to show you that the working middle class / poor were far better off keeping their savings in evil USA dollars than their wonderful native currencies. I showed you that all those BRICs currencies have went to shit.
Then you misrepresent my position. I gave you several examples of USA doing smthg wrong. Tiny gave you some others. There are more examples every week.
I never said BRICS was going to stop using dollar. I explicitly said they would come up w a an alternative and not a replacement.
I also didn't say the dollar was evil. I say the US govt is evil. I have no issue w countries using the USD if they freely prefer to do so.
The dollar was the dominant currency before OPEC had any real power. The notion that oil is paid for with dollars meaning anything is negligible because those dollars can instantly be changed into any other commodity or currency. In fact, the Saudis have smartly learned to convert those dollars into shares of corporate stock to get even more money. You once again are showing your financial naivete.
Gold was the dominant currency. Then once WW2 destroyed most of the West, the USA had an open playing field. Elvis, it seems your the one that does not understand the importance of the petro dollar. There are countless articles on it. Here is one: https://www.avatrade.co.za/education/market-terms/what-is-the-petrodollar.
As for "those days being over", you miss the two larger points. And who dominates the shipping insurance industry? I know very little about insurance. I am sure there are several business sectors where the USA maintains hegemony. But those will decline as US petro hegemony declines.
As for "those days being over", you miss the two larger points. And who dominates the shipping insurance industry? I know very little about insurance. I am sure there are several business sectors where the USA maintains hegemony. But those will decline as US petro hegemony declines.
Then there is the USA navy and piracy. What? You cannot be serious? Show me some evidence please that the US Navy is a major preventer of acts of theft from Captain Pugwash adn Long john Silver.
I cannot believe you went to Venezuela and believed all the hogwash about the USA. Venezuela should be as rich as Saudi Arabia....Haha Elvis. You have mentioned this countless times. WTF does it have to do w this discussion? I have answered this several times anyway, and it is not relevant to a discussion of threats to the US dollar.
The Repub cuts for all but the super wealthy and corporations under Trump were set to expire within the next couple of election cycles but those for the super wealthy and corporations were not.Wrong. The cuts for the "super wealthy," as well as the cuts for the upper middle class, middle class and poor, are scheduled to expire. Democrats and Republicans probably will indeed extend them for the middle class and poor, but not the rich, like they did after the Reagan and Bush tax cuts. This is a large part of the reason why we have the most progressive tax system in the developed world.
And correct, the corporate tax rate cut is not set to expire. Before the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), passed in 2017, the USA Federal + state corporate tax rate was the second highest in the world, right behind Comoros. Even Biden doesn't want to take the corporate rate back to where it was.
If we do increase the corporate rate, who will pay for it? Well, first and foremost consumers, in the form of higher prices. Second, workers, who would lose their jobs as industries migrate to lower tax countries. And third, shareholders, some of whom like you seem to suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.
While the government's revenues from the corporate tax cut took a hit after implementation of the TCJA, they're now back up, to the second highest level in history in 2022. Partly this is undoubtedly due to the corporations' motivation to invest and generate income in America as a result of a better tax regime. The better regime resulted not only from the tax cut, but also the TCJA's provisions that resulted in hundreds of billions or trillions of cash being repatriated by American corporations, and implementation of the Global Intangible Low Tax Income (GILTI) tax on foreign earnings of USA Corporations.
Consequently, Trump's jobs creation record was crap, especially when you factor in the cost of them, even before he created Trump's Pandemic.Again, not true. Up until COVID, job generation in the USA continued at a good clip, despite the unemployment rate dropping to the lowest since the 1960's. When you're closer to full employment, job creation should slow. The fact that it didn't is due in part to the corporate tax cuts and deregulation. Also, the middle class finally made big gains in income prior to COVID. Unfortunately, those gains largely dissipated as a result of inflation that kicked off after passage of Biden's American Rescue Plan (ARP). You can't attribute inflation in 2021 entirely to the ARP, but it played a big part.
I hate it when Democratic Politicians refer to tax cuts as "costing" something. They're not costs, unless you're some kind of mafioso believes it's a "cost" when you extort less money from people.
Biden and the Dems' extention of the middle and lower tax cuts are, by definition, Dem Tax Cuts.
And, as usual, they have worked to expand the economy and create millions upon millions of jobs.So Democrats deserve the credit for the tax cuts in the TCJA, which I believe was passed without a single Democratic vote. That makes perfect sense if your view of the USA Economy is mostly based on "Democrats Good, Republicans Crap. ".
You realize Biden and the Dems haven't extended squat yet? And if rate cuts are extended, it will be bipartisan.
GW Bush's Treasury Dept's total lack of attention to anything other than celebrating their unnecessary tax cuts just for show crashed the economy well and surely enough without worry over who got the most tea and cookies before Bush's Titanic sank.
Those pesky details again.
But the tax policies enacted by Clinton and his Dem Congress of 1993 and 1994 led directly to the historic economic expansion and jobs creation of the years that folliwed. Until GW Bush took over with his Repub Congress, got his Repub way and Crashed the economy. And that was despite Nude Grinbitch and his House Repubs trying everything possible to Crash it under Clinton but failing to do so.You're going to have to look far and wide to find an economist who will argue that tax cuts lower GDP growth, or, as to Clinton, vice versa. The only question is how much will lower taxes increase GDP. And what's the effect on the deficit and the national debt if government continues to spend like a drunken sailor.
So, what was there to criticize about Clinton's economic stewardship? There was no Repub-style economic disaster resulting from it. But Repubs of his day sure warned us there would be. LOL. Pretty much the same way you and other current Repubs say the current crop of Democrats "have it wrong. ".
You think those ancient history Repubs in Kennedy's day weren't telling us the world will come to an end if he gets his way economically? The same for FDR? And most certainly for Clinton, Obama and now Biden?
Your beloved Repubs are ALWAYS wrong about how Dem economic policies and stewardship will destroy the world while theirs are superior. Always. And in the most polar opposite way. Obviously and according to any data and record of results you've got.More "Democrat Good, Republican Crap" reasoning. In our recent exchange I've praised three presidents for tax legislation passed during their terms, and two were Democrats.
"A country is more prosperous when more money is left in the hands of its people and its businesses. ".
Lololol.
Except when Repubs like Coolidge / Hoover, Reagan, GW Bush and Trump decide who gets to keep more money in their hands and who gets to leave it to them. Then the country plunges into historic Great Depressions / Great Recessions and Massive Job Losses in the Millions.
Lolol.The difference I see in how the parties decide who gets to keep more money is that the Democrats are marginally more likely to pass it onto crony capitalists. Thus you see California green energy and tech companies benefitting disproportionately from the CHIPS and badly-named Inflation Reduction Acts. And New York contributors to the Democratic Party benefitting from Schumer continuing to pigeon hole provisions to end carried interest treatment of management fees realized by hedge, private equity and venture capital funds.
Good that you're not really arguing about my statement "A country is more prosperous when more money is left in the hands of its people and its businesses. " Perhaps there's hope for you yet.
Uff. If only more country leaders had the courage to say it how it really is. Here Fred M'membe of Zambia speaks truth to US power. Watch from 35 sec to 2m 19s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-617EzlNYTI
Elvis 2008
04-13-23, 22:19
Then you misrepresent my position. I gave you several examples of USA doing smthg wrong. Tiny gave you some others. There are more examples every week.I have heard negativity about the USA all the time. I just wish that it were confined to things where we actually did something wrong like in Iran in 1953. I think you think I am saying the USA is infallible.
I never said BRICS was going to stop using dollar. I explicitly said they would come up w a an alternative and not a replacement.They already have replacements, and I showed you they were all crap.
I also didn't say the dollar was evil. I say the US govt is evil. I have no issue w countries using the USD if they freely prefer to do so.LOL. That is semantics.
Gold was the dominant currency. Then once WW2 destroyed most of the West, the USA had an open playing field. Elvis, it seems your the one that does not understand the importance of the petro dollar. There are countless articles on it. Here is one: https://www.avatrade.co.za/education/market-terms/what-is-the-petrodollar.Oh brother. You link an article like that and think you know what you are talking about. Sigh. It was gold backed currencies not gold that were a medium of exchange. The people who are pushing the petrodollar narrative are inevitably pushing gold or cryptocurrency. This is a tired story I have been hearing for decades. The story goes, "We are giving paper for valuable useful items like oil and printing up dollars like tomorrow out of thin air". These fools have not even updated their bullshit to reflect reality where the USA become a net exporter of crude, https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-poised-become-net-exporter-crude-oil-2023-2022-12-19/.
And from your article is this "However, the biggest threat to the petrodollar is the potential of the petroyuan. " LOL. No, the biggest threat to the "petrodollar" (a dumb term as it is just a USA dollar used to buy oil) is the fact that the USA no longer needs to buy oil.
Besides the yuan is pegged to the dollar. You buy oil with yuan and convert it into dollars. It is not that big of a deal. And the great threat to the USA dollar is #5 in term of currency exchange.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202212/1282409.shtml
I know very little about insurance. What? You cannot be serious? Show me some evidence please that the US Navy is a major preventer of acts of theft from Captain Pugwash and Long john Silver.So you do not understand the insurance industry or the role of the USA navy in global trade? If you do not understand those items, then any prediction on where currencies are headed is bound to be wrong. And your comment on the USA navy just shows me that you are only interested in the bad things the USA does and none of the good.
Why can't you google a story on USA navy and its history on piracy? Afraid you might read something positive on the USA military?
Agree with everything you wrote. As for the examples I chose. Sure, there are better examples. But Elvis was showing a short memory and seems to think I never have any examples. So I choose from the past week. :)
I think the USA has overthrown fewer governments recently simply bcos it is not capable. It is not for the want of trying.Bullshit.
It's exactly because we've learned our lesson. When the Venezuelan military organized a coup against Chavez in 2002, not only did we refuse to support it, but warned Chavez about the plot (to the detriment of millions of Venezuelans I must add).
With so many truly homicidal and sadistic regimes around the world, it's really funny how these Europeans love to poke at America. Never Russia, but America. Never North Korea, never Iran, never Myanmar, never Cuba.
Well, whatever floats your boat. We don't give a shit.
Wrong. The cuts for the "super wealthy," as well as the cuts for the upper middle class, middle class and poor, are scheduled to expire. Democrats and Republicans probably will indeed extend them for the middle class and poor, but not the rich, like they did after the Reagan and Bush tax cuts. This is a large part of the reason why we have the most progressive tax system in the developed world.
And correct, the corporate tax rate cut is not set to expire. Before the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), passed in 2017, the USA Federal + state corporate tax rate was the second highest in the world, right behind Comoros. Even Biden doesn't want to take the corporate rate back to where it was.Wrong? And then you repeat essentially the same thing I wrote? LOL.
Biden has put it in his budget. Yes, maybe these Dem Tax Cuts will get some bipartisan support when they pass. But the extensions were not Trump's idea or the RePutinKlan Party's idea.
Bidens tax hikes on high earners are unlikely to make it through Congress. A bigger debate: the Trump-era tax cuts that expire in 2025.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bidens-tax-hikes-for-the-rich-are-unlikely-to-get-passed-by-congress-but-another-date-looms-trump-era-tax-cuts-for-the-wealthy-end-in-2025-8fdf3195
Tiny12:If we do increase the corporate rate, who will pay for it? Well, first and foremost consumers, in the form of higher prices. Second, workers, who would lose their jobs as industries migrate to lower tax countries. And third, shareholders, some of whom like you seem to suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.
While the government's revenues from the corporate tax cut took a hit after implementation of the TCJA, they're now back up, to the second highest level in history in 2022. Partly this is undoubtedly due to the corporations' motivation to invest and generate income in America as a result of a better tax regime. The better regime resulted not only from the tax cut, but also the TCJA's provisions that resulted in hundreds of billions or trillions of cash being repatriated by American corporations, and implementation of the Global Intangible Low Tax Income (GILTI) tax on foreign earnings of USA Corporations.
Again, not true. Up until COVID, job generation in the USA continued at a good clip, despite the unemployment rate dropping to the lowest since the 1960's. When you're closer to full employment, job creation should slow. The fact that it didn't is due in part to the corporate tax cuts and deregulation. Also, the middle class finally made big gains in income prior to COVID. Unfortunately, those gains largely dissipated as a result of inflation that kicked off after passage of Biden's American Rescue Plan (ARP). You can't attribute inflation in 2021 entirely to the ARP, but it played a big part.
I hate it when Democratic Politicians refer to tax cuts as "costing" something. They're not costs, unless you're some kind of mafioso believes it's a "cost" when you extort less money from people.
So Democrats deserve the credit for the tax cuts in the TCJA, which I believe was passed without a single Democratic vote. That makes perfect sense if your view of the USA Economy is mostly based on "Democrats Good, Republicans Crap. ".
You realize Biden and the Dems haven't extended squat yet? And if rate cuts are extended, it will be bipartisan.
You're going to have to look far and wide to find an economist who will argue that tax cuts lower GDP growth, or, as to Clinton, vice versa. The only question is how much will lower taxes increase GDP. And what's the effect on the deficit and the national debt if government continues to spend like a drunken sailor.
More "Democrat Good, Republican Crap" reasoning. In our recent exchange I've praised three presidents for tax legislation passed during their terms, and two were Democrats.
The difference I see in how the parties decide who gets to keep more money is that the Democrats are marginally more likely to pass it onto crony capitalists. Thus you see California green energy and tech companies benefitting disproportionately from the CHIPS and badly-named Inflation Reduction Acts. And New York contributors to the Democratic Party benefitting from Schumer continuing to pigeon hole provisions to end carried interest treatment of management fees realized by hedge, private equity and venture capital funds.
Good that you're not really arguing about my statement "A country is more prosperous when more money is left in the hands of its people and its businesses. " Perhaps there's hope for you yet. Lolol.
All the typical academic, theoretical, non Real World hand-wringing worries RePutinKlans always bring to the table and weep about all over the more-than-eager pro Repub Mainstream Media.
News Bulletin:
All of those terrible economic outcomes do not happen under Dem economic stewardship. They only happen under RePutinKlan economic stewardship.
You know, like the RePutinKlan Great Depression and Massive Jobs Destruction of 1929-1933, the Great Reagan RePutinKlan Recession and Massive Jobs Destruction, The Great GW Bush RePutinKlan Recession and Massive Jobs Destruction, the Great Trump's Pandemic Economic Stewardship Disaster and Massive Jobs Destruction, etc.
Dem Tax Cuts get paid for without wiping out millions of jobs, without triggering Great Depressions or Great Recessions as Repub tax cuts do. Don't worry your pretty little Repub head about that.
Oh, and then there was this after, among other blunders, worse-then-drunken-sailors Trump and his Repubs flushed $2. 5+ Trillion in tax payer money down the shitter with nothing to show for it but a million fewer jobs with his horrific TCJA for the wrong people at the wrong time in the wrong amounts than without it:
The Trump administration was ruining the pre-COVID-19 economy too, just more slowly
https://www.epi.org/blog/the-trump-administration-was-ruining-the-pre-covid-19-19-economy-too-just-more-slowly/
Key takeaways:
Long before the COVID-19 pandemic the Trump administration was squandering the pockets of strength in the American economy it had inherited.
Broad-based prosperity requires strength on the supply, demand, and distributive sides of the economy, and Trump administration policies were either weak or outright damaging on these fronts.
Demand: Most of the Trump tax cuts went to already-rich corporations and households, who tend to save rather than spend most of any extra dollar theyre given.
Supply: Business investment plummeted under the Trump administration, despite their lavishing tax cuts on corporate business.
Distribution: The Trump administration undercut labor standards and rules that can buttress workers bargaining power. Trump will have the worst jobs record in modern USA History. Its not just the pandemic.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/01/08/trump-jobs-record/
I See Great Sources Were Provided For Your Flight of Fantasy. Thanks.That's right. I don't need no stinking, bull shit sources. Like highly biased, partisan pieces from the Economic Policy Institute and Washington Post Editorial Page. Because I actually know what I'm writing about. As to tax policy anyway.
This is somewhat like when you gentlemen demanded a "link" to my Bloomberg feed when I posted YoY changes in GDP for various countries, to show that the decline in GDP other large developed countries was higher than the decline in the USA during your so-called "Trump Pandemic".
Granted Tooms, you don't know as much about taxes as I do. But you're perfectly capable of Googling phrases like,
Which country has the most progressive tax system.
GILTI tax.
Repatriation after TCJA.
Extension of TCJA tax cuts.
Nonfarm employment St. Louis Fed.
Unemployment St. Louis Fed.
Median Household Income St. Louis Fed.
Who Bears the Burden of Corporate Income Tax.
Effect of taxes on GDP.
CHIPS and Science act.
Inflation Reduction Act.
Schumer Carried Interest.
Frankly, I'm tired of educating you, because you're a very poor student.
And this is absolutely hilarious, a great exercise in Double Think:
Oh, and then there was this after, among other blunders, worse-then-drunken-sailors Trump and his Repubs flushed $2. 5+ Trillion in tax payer money down the shitter with nothing to show for it but a million fewer jobs with his horrific TCJA for the wrong people at the wrong time in the wrong amounts than without it:If Biden and Congress had extended all the provisions of the TCJA instead of letting most of them expire, then the TCJA was estimated to result in a $2. 5 trillion reduction in tax revenue over 10 years. That's money that stays in the pocket of the taxpayer, the exact opposite of what you said. Flushing money down the shitter is commonly what the federal government does after it COLLECTS taxes. If you collect $2. 5 trillion less from taxpayers, then that's $2. 5 trillion less that can be flushed down the shitter. That's ignoring the fact that the bastards in Washington are a bunch of spendthrifts who have no problem spending a lot more money than they take in.
BTW, your marketwatch link supports my explanation, not yours.
Re(publican)PutinKlanYeah, that phrase you use over and over about sums it up, doesn't it.
Dem Tax Cuts get paid for without wiping out millions of jobs, without triggering Great Depressions or Great Recessions as Repub tax cuts do. Don't worry your pretty little Repub head about that.
Oh, and then there was this after, among other blunders, worse-then-drunken-sailors Trump and his Repubs flushed $2. 5+ Trillion in tax payer money down the shitter with nothing to show for it but a million fewer jobs with his horrific TCJA for the wrong people at the wrong time in the wrong amounts than without itAt first read, I figured you just didn't know much about economics. Even Paul Krugman would never argue that tax cuts wipe out millions of jobs or cause Great Depressions or Great Recessions. In fact, he'd undoubtedly say tax cuts have a positive effect on GDP growth and jobs. Admittedly though he's just as partisan as you are and would find some way to criticize any bill passed by Republicans. But anyway initially I thought what you wrote above made no sense.
Then I thought about it. Well, there's no possibility the TCJA would directly cause millions of job losses. But what if TCJA caused the Trump Pandemic? That would explain it! As you know I'm pretty dense. It's taken me months to finally see the light. Could you please tell us exactly how the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act in 2017 caused the Trump COVID Pandemic which wiped out millions of jobs?
Just so you'll know I'm not a hypocrite, I did Google "How did the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act cause the Trump COVID pandemic and destroy millions jobs." But I didn't find much.
I have heard negativity about the USA all the time. I just wish that it were confined to things where we actually did something wrong like in Iran in 1953.
I am negative about the USA Govt bcos it does thing wrong, almost weekly. But it seems clear from your reach back in history to 1953, that you do not agree that they do so many things wrong. Your entitled to your opinion on that, but I strongly disagree with it, hence why I am so negative about the USA Govt.
They already have replacements, and I showed you they were all crap.
You uare not comparing like with like, nor is your comparison relevant. You are comparing a curr that is supported by its protected and privileged ptero dollar status, with other currencies that have been affected and often damaged by US policies in the past. In the future world without this petro dollar priviiege, things could be very different. What currencies did in the past does not dictate what they would or could do in a different future world.
Oh brother. You link an article like that and think you know what you are talking about. Sigh. It was gold backed currencies not gold that were a medium of exchange. The people who are pushing the petrodollar narrative are inevitably pushing gold or cryptocurrency. This is a tired story I have been hearing for decades. I gave you one example of an article. Theer are 100's of similar articles about how the petrodollar works. You seem to think its a crypto- / gold-currency conspiracy. Ok, we will see.
So you do not understand the insurance industry or the role of the USA navy in global trade? If you do not understand those items, then any prediction on where currencies are headed is bound to be wrong.
Why can't you google a story on USA navy and its history on piracy? No. I thinkk the difference is I am willing to admit when I don't know about stuff. But regardless, if there is a US hegemony on insurance, it can be overcome as part of the new alternative. International insurance options can and will be.
And you made a claim about piracy. Its not encumbent upon me to provide the research, its your job to support your claim.
At first read, I figured you just didn't know much about economics. Even Paul Krugman would never argue that tax cuts wipe out millions of jobs or cause Great Depressions or Great Recessions. In fact, he'd undoubtedly say tax cuts have a positive effect on GDP growth and jobs. Admittedly though he's just as partisan as you are and would find some way to criticize any bill passed by Republicans. But anyway initially I thought what you wrote above made no sense.
Then I thought about it. Well, there's no possibility the TCJA would directly cause millions of job losses. But what if TCJA caused the Trump Pandemic? That would explain it! As you know I'm pretty dense. It's taken me months to finally see the light. Could you please tell us exactly how the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act in 2017 caused the Trump COVID Pandemic which wiped out millions of jobs?
Just so you'll know I'm not a hypocrite, I did Google "How did the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act cause the Trump COVID pandemic and destroy millions jobs." But I didn't find much.But that is exactly what Repub tax cuts have done for the past 100 years. If they did the opposite of that I suppose you, Paul Krugman and I would be marveling at the wonderful pattern of Great Repub Recoveries and Expansions and Great Historic Repub Jobs Creation and how terrific it is that we never see a Great Depression, Great Recession or Massive Jobs Destruction after those marvelous Repub Tax Cuts.
But we can't do that, right gentlemen?
Yep, that's right, Paul and Tiny. We can't do that.
Uh, this might help you; Tax cuts to "starve the beast" by paying for them with cuts in services, oversight and enforcing regulations do a pretty good job of starving that beast, the "beast" being the Goose that Lays Golden Eggs of economic expansion and jobs creation under Dem tax codes and economic stewardship, that is.
Trump pulling all those monitors from the Chinese labs 5 months before the first Covid-19 cases emerged in secrecy when a 2-3 months heads up would have prevented Trump's Pandemic was a horrific abdication of economic stewardship by Trump. No doubt because he thought all those permanent tax cuts for corporations and the super wealthy was all he needed to do to create "the best economy ever" and hit his failing golf resorts for the rest of his term.
I am negative about the USA Govt bcos it does thing wrong, almost weekly. But it seems clear from your reach back in history to 1953, that you do not agree that they do so many things wrong. Your entitled to your opinion on that, but I strongly disagree with it, hence why I am so negative about the USA Govt.
You said once that you were from South Africa, isn't that right? You have a lot of nerve criticizing the US for anything. Your country and forefathers couldn't even figure out that institutionalized racism was despicable. It took your breed until the 1990's to figure that out.
The US might have been slow but we figured that out 130 years sooner.
About Julian Assange,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyekPpdjAaU
Or maybe that’s an Australian accent. Hell if I know. I’m an American.
Uh, this might help you; Tax cuts to "starve the beast" by paying for them with cuts in services, oversight and enforcing regulations do a pretty good job of starving that beast, the "beast" being the Goose that Lays Golden Eggs of economic expansion and jobs creation under Dem tax codes and economic stewardship, that is.The Goose that lays golden eggs? Naah! Your earlier description of federal spending is much closer to reality, although the number's way low, and you somehow confused Biden's American Rescue Plan and Inflation Reduction Act with the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act:
flushed $2. 5+ Trillion in tax payer money down the shitter with nothing to show for it
About Julian Assange,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyekPpdjAaU
Or maybe thats an Australian accent. Hell if I know. Im an American.Thanks Tiny. I think this docu is good for those folks that have not really paid attention to the case over the past 10 years and need a summary of the case. JA is getting a lot of attention right now bcos its the 4th anniv of his incarceration. He will be released bcos this again is another great example of the USA Govt doing countless things wrong and another reason for me to be negative about it. The reasons the USA Govt put fwd are shallow and / or false and will have horrific consequences for individual freedom. They will not be allowed to do it. JA will eventually be released, even if they got away w punishing the scapegoat more than enough already.
P.S.: apart from one Vennie giel I know, I just never go for white girls, nor redheads, and certainly not ones w Oz accents.
Thanks Tiny. I think this docu is good for those folks that have not really paid attention to the case over the past 10 years and need a summary of the case. JA is getting a lot of attention right now bcos its the 4th anniv of his incarceration. He will be released bcos this again is another great example of the USA Govt doing countless things wrong and another reason for me to be negative about it. The reasons the USA Govt put fwd are shallow and / or false and will have horrific consequences for individual freedom. They will not be allowed to do it. JA will eventually be released, even if they got away w punishing the scapegoat more than enough already.
P.S.: apart from one Vennie giel I know, I just never go for white girls, nor redheads, and certainly not ones w Oz accents.I didn't know most of what was in the video, so it was educational to me. This sounds like a First Amendment (freedom of the press) issue. Assange jumped through hoops to redact documents to protect the innocent and the vulnerable. But Wikileaks efforts were hijacked by the Guardian and Cryptome.
He pissed off The Man and so he will pay for it.
I was being silly about the redhead and the accent. You post a lot of videos where the speakers sound British. The woman is obviously Australian.
I wasn't a red head lover either, but La Diabla in the Colombian telenovela, "Sin Senos no Hay Paraiso" changed that.
I didn't know most of what was in the video, so it was educational to me. This sounds like a First Amendment (freedom of the press) issue.
I was being silly about the redhead and the accent. You post a lot of videos where the speakers sound British. The woman is obviously Australian.
I try to watch a range of news and interest sources, some USA, some UK, some my country, some others. Whatever I find that appears to be legit.
About the Freedom of Press and JA. A moral Q for you. Whay do you think it would be justified for a journalist to speak the truth about the lies of a government, yet not justified for anyone else? Why is that even a relevant Q? Surely, it is a moral virtue for anyone to bring the truth forward about the lies of our ruling elites?
I try to watch a range of news and interest sources, some USA, some UK, some my country, some others. Whatever I find that appears to be legit.
About the Freedom of Press and JA. A moral Q for you. Whay do you think it would be justified for a journalist to speak the truth about the lies of a government, yet not justified for anyone else? Why is that even a relevant Q? Surely, it is a moral virtue for anyone to bring the truth forward about the lies of our ruling elites?My impression is that Assange was a journalist. I haven't thought about this before and don't have a good answer. I don't think it's a huge issue in the USA, as freedom of speech is better protected than most countries. Better than the UK anyway. But yeah, if the CIA or an overly aggressive prosecutor got hold of Assange, they'd probably make mincemeat out of him.
I can imagine instances where it wouldn't be justified for people to leak certain information, for example a list of Afghanis still in Afghanistan who helped the USA Government. As a semi-libertarian, I'm not a fan of government in general, and I don't believe in incarcerating people unless they really deserve it. So effectively if I were dictator of the United States of America, what I'd do about leaks would probably be reasonably similar to what you'd do.
Sorry, I don't have a good answer for this one.
My impression is that Assange was a journalist. I haven't thought about this before and don't have a good answer.
I can imagine instances where it wouldn't be justified for people to leak certain information,...
How about our leaders recognise that there is an important disticntion between the need for ongoing confidentiality, and the act of lying. We can respect confidentiality, but lying needs to be stamped out.
How about our leaders recognise that there is an important disticntion between the need for ongoing confidentiality, and the act of lying. We can respect confidentiality, but lying needs to be stamped out.I definitely don't trust our leaders with determining what's the truth and what's a lie. And I don't entirely trust judges and jurors to do that either. Lying doesn't necessarily deserve legal punishment. But, if in the course of lying people, say, commit fraud, that's another matter.
In the USA, sometimes prosecutors try to put people in jail for lying, even when they commit no other crime. Bill Clinton ("I did not have sex with that woman"), Martha Stewart and Michael Flynn are examples. That just shouldn't happen.
About the Freedom of Press and JA. A moral Q for you. "There can be no higher law in journalism than to tell the truth and to shame the devil. " - Thomas Jefferson.
CheckMate1
04-21-23, 21:17
I definitely don't trust our leaders with determining what's the truth and what's a lie. And I don't entirely trust judges and jurors to do that either. Lying doesn't necessarily deserve legal punishment. But, if in the course of lying people, say, commit fraud, that's another matter.
In the USA, sometimes prosecutors try to put people in jail for lying, even when they commit no other crime. Bill Clinton ("I did not have sex with that woman"), Martha Stewart and Michael Flynn are examples. That just shouldn't happen.How would one address lying in court if perjury is not available as crime? Disputes can never be resolved without disincentivizing this type of behavior.
Perjury -the offense of willfully telling an untruth in a court after having taken an oath
Also:
18 US CODE 1001.
Section 1001's statutory terms are violated if someone:
"falsifies, conceals or covers up by any trick, scheme or device a material fact.
"makes any false, fictitious or fraudulent statements or representations.
"makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any false, fictitious or fraudulent statement or entry".
And, for cases arising after the 1996 amendments, the item at issue was material.
Whether the above acts are criminal depends on whether there is an affirmative response to each of the following questions:
Was the act or statement material?
Was the act within the jurisdiction of a department or agency of the United States? And.
Was the act done knowingly and willfully?
Clinton didn't go to jail or even tried because the quote was at a press conference, and not to officials nor court; was impeached for it.
Martha Stewart. Guilty of four counts of obstruction of justice and lying to investigators; insider trading was dropped. She had her day in court lost, appealed and lost there too.
Flynn pleaded guilty to one felony count of "willfully and knowingly making materially false statements and omissions to the Federal Bureau of Investigation" about conversations with the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey Kislyak, ".
Amazing that the truth is seeping out yet the silence is deafening:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XccISIi-yo
Amazing that the truth is seeping out yet the silence is deafening:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XccISIi-yoStrange but youtube is not a reliable source, nor are blogs, conspiracy websites or basically any social media source. The truth is one way or another the Chinese government are unlikely to reveal sufficient evidence of their activities to make a definitive conclusion so all the rest is speculation.
Strange but youtube is not a reliable source. The truth is one way or another the Chinese government are unlikely to reveal sufficient evidence of their activities to make a definitive conclusion so all the rest is speculation.Its not YT that one should trust or distrust, it is the content provider. John Campbell has proven to be a remarkable source of info over the past 3 years. Most US state departments (those that have taken the time to look) are now distancing themselves from the animal origin hypothesis, despite trying desperately to prove it for the past 3 years. That in itself is strong evidence. I think the US has enough paperwork and other documenation to conclude the lab leak theory without the need to seek info rom China. Bcos USA was working w China on the virus when it was leaked. USA and China caused the pandemic that killed millions.
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