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Elvis 2008
03-30-20, 22:10
I think you nailed it about testing in the US. It won't change anything if every single American were tested. In fact, it would increase infections because even home testing kits that are mailed can spread the virus. It's all about isolation.Do you remember with the FAA and Boeing and the 737's? The rest of the world was banning their use, and the FAA, which is practically an arm of Boeing, refused to do so. Trump personally had to step in and give the order to ground the planes.
Well, the government agencies, FDA and CDC, appear to have done the same thing. Someone unknown at one of the agencies shut down private companies from making and running their own tests, and the CDC botched the tests they made at first. The virus was not as big of an issue then, and I suspect we will never know the controlling asshole or assholes who made this call, but it did happen under Trump, and he got the blame for it. Once testing was opened up, the number of available tests skyrocketed.
This is one of those things that I bet Trump will get to the bottom of and heads roll on it, and I hope they do. It was really not Trump but a bunch of controlling bureaucrats. Still, he is responsible for what they do.
As for testing, I think it is a double edged sword. If you test positive, you are more likely to isolate. If you test negative, I wonder if people think that they could do whatever they want and think they do not need to isolate.
ChuchoLoco
03-30-20, 22:47
I think you nailed it about testing in the US. It won't change anything if every single American were tested. In fact, it would increase infections because even home testing kits that are mailed can spread the virus. It's all about isolation. Testing is a political football in America. Why do we hear so much about testing in American media? I believe it is because American media are more politically polarized and motivated than ever before. If you doubt that, spend an hour or two watching any of the cable news programs (you can get them on the Internet) that depend on advertising revenue and ratings. Fox, cnn, msnbc. Then spend an hour or two watching any rest of world news outlet or the cable news channels that don't depend on advertising (BBC, PBS). The difference is very striking. The ratings and advertising dependent outlets will say most anything to keep the audiences they've cultivated. More than anything else, that means 24/7 Trump.So then Why is the chosen one on TV now bragging about how many kits are being made and how many people are being tested? You spoke too soon and without asking the chosen one what he thinks about testing today and not yesterday.
On another post, his handpicked FAA chairman was a former Boeing exec and Trump did not ground planes until the rest of the world had already done so. He didn't feel it was needed just like test kits and ventilators.
We are all going to get up one morning soon and this flu will be gone said the chosen one. Now it's a different story and so it will be again tomorrow.
I got a little lost. I think you are saying big government was going to cause people to die in 737 MAXs before Trump prevented it and there hasn't been enough testing in the US because Trump hasn't gotten to the bottom of it yet?
Do you remember with the FAA and Boeing and the 737's? The rest of the world was banning their use, and the FAA, which is practically an arm of Boeing, refused to do so. Trump personally had to step in and give the order to ground the planes.
Well, the government agencies, FDA and CDC, appear to have done the same thing. Someone unknown at one of the agencies shut down private companies from making and running their own tests, and the CDC botched the tests they made at first. The virus was not as big of an issue then, and I suspect we will never know the controlling asshole or assholes who made this call, but it did happen under Trump, and he got the blame for it. Once testing was opened up, the number of available tests skyrocketed.
This is one of those things that I bet Trump will get to the bottom of and heads roll on it, and I hope they do. It was really not Trump but a bunch of controlling bureaucrats. Still, he is responsible for what they do.
As for testing, I think it is a double edged sword. If you test positive, you are more likely to isolate. If you test negative, I wonder if people think that they could do whatever they want and think they do not need to isolate.
Hey Turd, figures you were a Trump fan, explains a lot! I usually don't respond to posts like yours, but what you said was completely wrong, and potentially dangerous if anyone actually reads it and believes you. .......Be nice, he didn't get the memo. The Dork from New York has now switched and said he knew that it was a pandemic all along.
I really wonder how people can believe one thing that the Orange One says one day and then believe the exact opposite thing the next day while denying that there was a change.
I can understand changing your mind when convinced by facts but to deny what was the truth according to Trump one day later because that idiot cannot remember his lies and keep them straight.
The only good thing that will come from this in the US is that it just might wake people up to what a disaster Trump is, however some polls suggest that he is actually gaining in approval ratings.
How many million Americans dead will it take to wake them up?
...Three US-based airlines had stopped flights prior to Trump's January restrictions, but other US and international airlines had not. Trump's early actions reduced the number of corona carriers entering the USA, against the wishes of the democrats and media who claimed it was "racist". If you were impartial you would recognise that fact and applaud him for it....
I didn't "act like he came up with the idea on his own". He listened to his health advisors, and took prompt and decisive action, much more quickly than leaders of other Western nations. That looks like good leadership skills to me...
.Are you on drugs? Trump claims 2 weeks ago, that covid19 is a democratic hoax!. If he acted correctly the situation in USA could be much better now. - but no problem, if he can sign the 1200 USD Checks he will be happy and the God choosen President again! It's not a clown. He is the worst criminal in modern history!
Wicked Roger
03-31-20, 11:57
Be nice, he didn't get the memo. The Dork from New York has now switched and said he knew that it was a pandemic all along.
I really wonder how people can believe one thing that the Orange One says one day and then believe the exact opposite thing the next day while denying that there was a change.
I can understand changing your mind when convinced by facts but to deny what was the truth according to Trump one day later because that idiot cannot remember his lies and keep them straight.
The only good thing that will come from this in the US is that it just might wake people up to what a disaster Trump is, however some polls suggest that he is actually gaining in approval ratings.
How many million Americans dead will it take to wake them up?Be careful KG a few mongers. Some of whom plan to retire to Duma. Love him and won't hear a bad thing said about him regardless of his 16000+ lies and made up claims. Many do believe him KG witness Fox News, GOPs, half the Senate LOL.
A cutie I know in Duma was chatting to me the other day and I asked her about the Turd's comments and she laughed, said WTF! What he talking about.
Three US-based airlines had stopped flights prior to Trump's January restrictions, but other US and international airlines had not. Trump's early actions reduced the number of corona carriers entering the USA, against the wishes of the democrats and media who claimed it was "racist". If you were impartial you would recognise that fact and applaud him for it.
I didn't "act like he came up with the idea on his own". He listened to his health advisors, and took prompt and decisive action, much more quickly than leaders of other Western nations. That looks like good leadership skills to me.
And again, either you seem not to have read my post or your geographical knowledge is severely lacking. I said Trump was the first Western leader to implement travel restrictions on China. Russia, Pakistan and Japan are not in the West.
If you want to attack Trump for something of which he is guilty, such as rudeness to his opponents, go right ahead. But when you say things which are simply not true, and then claim your incorrect opinions to be "factual", don't be surprised when people call you out on it.Give it a break boys and move it over to somewhere else. This is the ISG Forum for Uganda.
Take your politic's somewhere else.
Be careful KG a few mongers. Some of whom plan to retire to Duma. Love him and won't hear a bad thing said about him regardless of his 16000+ lies and made up claims. Many do believe him KG witness Fox News, GOPs, half the Senate LOL.
....They can keep drinking the orange kool-aid.
I am on another site, more politically orientated and the venom spewed by both sides about Dear Leader Trump is somewhat extreme to say rhe least.
I personally have thought that he was an asshat ever since he was bad mouthing his first wife during the divorce circa 1980 or so, also the first time I ever heard of him, my opinion hasn't changed.
Engine Driver
03-31-20, 23:15
They can keep drinking the orange kool-aid.
I am on another site, more politically orientated and the venom spewed by both sides about Dear Leader Trump is somewhat extreme to say rhe least.
I personally have thought that he was an asshat ever since he was bad mouthing his first wife during the divorce circa 1980 or so, also the first time I ever heard of him, my opinion hasn't changed.You are very lucky that as a Canadian citizen, you won't be required to vote at the US elections in November. Hahaha.
You are very lucky that as a Canadian citizen, you won't be required to vote at the US elections in November. Hahaha.I have followed US politics for years, the absurdity of some of your politicians had a great amusement value, now with the Dork from New York in power, he is the greatest threat to the world I have seen in my 64 years and I remember the Cuban Missile crisis in 62. (because it was one of two times I ever saw my dad scared.).
And BTW Americans are not required to vote, in fact they have some of the lowest turn outs of any major democracy, especially in a year without presidential elections.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/05/21/u-s-voter-turnout-trails-most-developed-countries/
Now can we get back to talking about fucking instead of being fucked by Trump?
Member #4698
04-01-20, 02:17
Hey KG, why don't you post about getting laid and other related topics instead of making BS comments about another country's President. Do ISG Trump supporters or independents make derogatory comments about your President, your Prime Minister, or the opposition American Left here on the ISG? No, so what the fuck is wrong with you?
Getting real tired of seeing Trump Derangement Syndrome displayed on the ISG by a handful of afflicted BM's. Give it a rest! Go get laid.
Elvis 2008
04-01-20, 13:30
So then Why is the chosen one on TV now bragging about how many kits are being made and how many people are being tested? You spoke too soon and without asking the chosen one what he thinks about testing today and not yesterday.
On another post, his handpicked FAA chairman was a former Boeing exec and Trump did not ground planes until the rest of the world had already done so. He didn't feel it was needed just like test kits and ventilators.
We are all going to get up one morning soon and this flu will be gone said the chosen one. Now it's a different story and so it will be again tomorrow.
I got a little lost. I think you are saying big government was going to cause people to die in 737 MAXs before Trump prevented it and there hasn't been enough testing in the US because Trump hasn't gotten to the bottom of it yet?I was actually talking about two failures of the Trump adminstration, one of the things Trump fixed and the other I hope he does. Do you remember when Obama called a police office stupid for arresting a Harvard professor? He, the professor, and the police officer had a beer at the White House. I thought the dumbest thing I ever heard was a Republican making fun of Obama's choice of beer, Bud Light. I was like is this what we have come to? Really?
But that was nothing, Trump derangement syndrome is at a whole other level. When you talk to people with TDS like you two, anything less than Trump is worse than Hitler and YOU get criticized.
And this is why Trump keeps beating Democrats again and again because when you make a guy who is not that bad out to be soooo evil if he is not that evil, you look like fools. Trump calls Joe Biden Sleepy Joe, and Biden obliges him by taking a nap during a crisis that has killed more people than 9-11. THIS is the alternative? So Trump's approval ratings hit record highs even when he and his administration have made so many errors.
The irony about this virus and what the Democrats have done is that they have portrayed Trump as stupid not listening to his experts and blamed him for all the deaths that have occurred. Well, if you are going to give him the blame then you have to give him the credit when things are not that bad. IMO the two medical experts came out and said that there are going to be between 100,000 and 200,000 dead for two reasons: one is to get people to stay strong on the isolation. That is the good. The second is to come up with a number high enough that Trump can brag about if that death total is not reached. That is the bad/political. But with the latest data, no way in hell we are getting to that number.
Thing is that if you follow not the total cases but the new cases, a pattern emerges. This virus has a predictable course: an explosion in new cases, a plateau, and then an incredibly rapid decline in new cases. That has been the case in the Asian countries that have peaked and on the Diamond Princess cruise ship.
Within a two and a half week period, the USA went from a few hundred cases to 20,000 or so new cases every day but in the last five days, we have seen the plateau about 20,000 or so new cases per day. That rapid rise up is not happening anymore. In the last few days, the ventilator talk has been walked back. In the last week, the flattening the curve talk has also been walked by, and you know why? Because the curve HAS flattened.
Here I was being objective about what Trump has done right and wrong. Maybe it was the move to isolation that causes this pattern with the virus, but it might not be. No one knows, but you people with TDS have put all this on Trump. You TDS people have said whatever happens with the virus, it is all Trump's fault.
Well, be careful what you wish for because if this virus turns as quickly as it has in other countries, Trump is going to be take credit for saving hundreds of thousands of lives with his bold moves, and the irony is that the virus taking that turn might not have had shit to do with what the Trump administration did.
Getting real tired of seeing Trump Derangement Syndrome displayed on the ISG by a handful of afflicted BM's. Give it a rest! Go get laid.Trump derangement syndrome is those that cannot see the obvious that Trump is a con man. If you think he has handled this or any other situation competently you are seriously deluded.
TurdyCurdyOne
04-01-20, 16:51
I was actually talking about two failures of the Trump adminstration, one of the things Trump fixed and the other I hope he does. Do you remember when Obama called a police office stupid for arresting a Harvard professor? He, the professor, and the police officer had a beer at the White House. I thought the dumbest thing I ever heard was a Republican making fun of Obama's choice of beer, Bud Light. I was like is this what we have come to? Really?
But that was nothing, Trump derangement syndrome is at a whole other level. When you talk to people with TDS like you two, anything less than Trump is worse than Hitler and YOU get criticized.
And this is why Trump keeps beating Democrats again and again because when you make a guy who is not that bad out to be soooo evil if he is not that evil, you look like fools. Trump calls Joe Biden Sleepy Joe, and Biden obliges him by taking a nap during a crisis that has killed more people than 9-11. THIS is the alternative? So Trump's approval ratings hit record highs even when he and his administration have made so many errors.
The irony about this virus and what the Democrats have done is that they have portrayed Trump as stupid not listening to his experts and blamed him for all the deaths that have occurred. Well, if you are going to give him the blame then you have to give him the credit when things are not that bad. IMO the two medical experts came out and said that there are going to be between 100,000 and 200,000 dead for two reasons: one is to get people to stay strong on the isolation. That is the good. The second is to come up with a number high enough that Trump can brag about if that death total is not reached. That is the bad/political. But with the latest data, no way in hell we are getting to that number..I have been a loyal Trump supporter since "The Art of the Deal". But I am changing my mind lately over his induced panic and dishonesty over the Corona scam. He is just like another pol now to me. He lied to the American People when he promised never to do that. It's influenza, get over it.
I meet another foreigner a few weeks ago. We had a friendly discussion agreeing on most things. When I mentioned I was a Trump loyalist, he started shaking like he was having a seizure and refused to talk to me any more. TDS is real, required anti-psychotic medication. Same for the Corona virus psychosis.
I was actually talking about two failures of the Trump adminstration, one of the things Trump fixed and the other I hope he does. Do you remember when Obama called a police office stupid for arresting a Harvard professor? He, the professor, and the police officer had a beer at the White House. I thought the dumbest thing I ever heard was a Republican making fun of Obama's choice of beer, Bud Light. I was like is this what we have come to? Really?
But that was nothing, Trump derangement syndrome is at a whole other level. When you talk to people with TDS like you two, anything less than Trump is worse than Hitler and YOU get criticized.
And this is why Trump keeps beating Democrats again and again because when you make a guy who is not that bad out to be soooo evil if he is not that evil, you look like fools. Trump calls Joe Biden Sleepy Joe, and Biden obliges him by taking a nap during a crisis that has killed more people than 9-11. THIS is the alternative? So Trump's approval ratings hit record highs even when he and his administration have made so many errors.
The irony about this virus and what the Democrats have done is that they have portrayed Trump as stupid not listening to his experts and blamed him for all the deaths that have occurred. Well, if you are going to give him the blame then you have to give him the credit when things are not that bad. IMO the two medical experts came out and said that there are going to be between 100,000 and 200,000 dead for two reasons: one is to get people to stay strong on the isolation. That is the good. The second is to come up with a number high enough that Trump can brag about if that death total is not reached. That is the bad/political. But with the latest data, no way in hell we are getting to that number..I love the TDS talk. Brings a smile to my face. Then it makes me sad to see all the former "don't make this political" commenters fade into the woodwork. It's almost as if, instead of "don't make this political", they meant "don't criticize Trump. ".
I've noticed something locally. About 4 weeks ago, when the local Fox affiliate started posting daily Coronavirus stories on their Facebook page, almost all the comments followed the public statements made by President Trump. It was nothing to worry about, it was all under control, it's not as bad as the flu, it was all blown out of proportion by the media, it was an orchestrated liberal attack on the President, President Trump is doing a great job and is the best President ever. My comments were along the lines of "it's going to get bad. We need to be taking this seriously."
Now the comments have changed, except they still parrot whatever public statements Trump makes. When Trump suggested opening everything up by Easter, that was a great idea, best president ever. When Trump decided to extend the shutdown until April 30, great idea, best president ever. When Trump suggested NYC nurses are stealing masks, it was "they're all thieves, lock them up."
I don't care for Trump. Developed a strong dislike for him way back in '83, and nothing I've seen since has convinced me he's a great guy, great businessman or great leader. I have felt from the beginning that his only firm policy is to pander to his base. Nobody seems to want to discuss it. They just toss out things like "Trump Derangement Syndrome", "Libtard (or Dumbocrat)" and "but what about her emails."
I don't want to see him fail. Every president, regardless of my personal feelings, I want to see succeed. Every president I hope is the best president ever. Every president, no matter how much I may like or dislike them, makes mistakes. The mistakes are less important than how they deal with the mistakes. And with Trump he doesn't deal with mistakes. He just rewrites history. "It's just one person coming in from China" becomes "I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic."
Personal growth requires admitting your mistakes and learning from them. Changing your story every day doesn't help anyone. It demonstrates a greater concern for what we used to call CYA, cover your ass, than fixing the problem.
So, along with Trump Derangement Syndrome, let's throw in Trump Delusion Sickness. Yes, I know acronyms should be unique, but you already fucked that up because TDS stands for Total Dissolved Solids. Besides it works. Anyone calling people out for one TDS is showing signs of the other TDS.
Time will tell us whether or not you're right. I'll continue to hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
ScatManDoo
05-15-20, 13:41
Jan. 22: "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It's going to be just fine. " Trump in a CNBC interview.
Jan. 30: "We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment five and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we're working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it's going to have a very good ending for us. That I can assure you." Trump in a speech in Michigan.
ScatManDoo
05-16-20, 20:03
Jan. 22: "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China. We have it under control. It's going to be just fine. " Trump in a CNBC interview.
Jan. 30: "We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment five and those people are all recuperating successfully. But we're working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it's going to have a very good ending for us. That I can assure you." Trump in a speech in Michigan."China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!" January 24th Tweet from the (umb) Trump.
"We only have five people. Hopefully, everything's going to be great. They have somewhat of a problem, but hopefully, it's all going to be great. But we're working with China, just so you know, and other countries very, very closely. So it doesn't get out of hand. But it's, you know, it's something that we have to be very, very careful with, right? We have to be very careful. " Trump, at a campaign rally in Des Moines, Iowa on Januay 30th.
"We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. " Trump, in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity, when asked how concerned he was about the coronavirus on February 2nd.
"We are coordinating with the Chinese government and working closely together on the coronavirus outbreak in China. My administration will take all necessary steps to safeguard our citizens from this threat. " Trump, in his State of the Union address on February 4th.
"China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!" January 24th Tweet from the (umb) Trump.
"We only have five people. Hopefully, everything's going to be great. They have somewhat of a problem, but hopefully, it's all going to be great. But we're working with China, just so you know, and other countries very, very closely. So it doesn't get out of hand. But it's, you know, it's something that we have to be very, very careful with, right? We have to be very careful. " Trump, at a campaign rally in Des Moines, Iowa on Januay 30th.
"We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. " Trump, in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity, when asked how concerned he was about the coronavirus on February 2nd.
"We are coordinating with the Chinese government and working closely together on the coronavirus outbreak in China. My administration will take all necessary steps to safeguard our citizens from this threat. " Trump, in his State of the Union address on February 4th.The only thing anybody needs to know is that the USA has 4.5% of the world's population and 28% of the world's COVID-19 deaths.
ScatManDoo
05-17-20, 15:57
Which one of these is Obamagate? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V9cNKygNEI.
ScatManDoo
05-17-20, 22:00
The only thing anybody needs to know is that the USA has 4.5% of the world's population and 28% of the world's COVID-19 deaths.There is more to know, but.
I think I agree with you that the key facts you are asserting is the best test to see how the Donald fucked things up royally.
I am sorry. But this is the worst idea ever for a forum on a mongering site. I come here to get away from "American Politics" and enjoy, albeit vicariously, other peoples adventures in this time of containment. Read the first page. Carry on! .
ScatManDoo
05-18-20, 04:14
I am sorry. But this is the worst idea ever for a forum on a mongering site. I come here to get away from "American Politics" and enjoy, albeit vicariously, other peoples adventures in this time of containment. Read the first page. Carry on!.If you don't want to read this material.
Then read the other threads and don't read this one.
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ScatManDoo
05-18-20, 04:46
"We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. " Trump, in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity, when asked how concerned he was about the coronavirus on February 2nd.
"Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away. I hope that's true. But we're doing great in our country. China, I spoke with President Xi, and they're working very, very hard. And I think it's going to all work out fine. " Trump, at a campaign rally in Manchester, and. H. On February 10th.
"In our country, we only have, basically, 12 cases and most of those people are recovering and some cases fully recovered. So it's actually less." Trump, in an interview with Geraldo Rivera the very next day on February 11th.
"The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!" -- said a clueless Donald Trump on February 24th.
GeneHickman
05-18-20, 05:48
The only thing anybody needs to know is that the USA has 4.5% of the world's population and 28% of the world's COVID-19 deaths.Assuming you believe the numbers coming from other countries! Like China's 4. 5 k with a hard and abrupt stop. 😁.
You Democrats have had 4 years to prepare for November and the best you can come up with is an old pervert with dementia that lies much worse than Trump. You better get used to it or you could always move to a country more accommodating to your needs, like Somalia.
"We pretty much shut it down coming in from China. " Trump, in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity, when asked how concerned he was about the coronavirus on February 2nd.
"Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away. I hope that's true. But we're doing great in our country. China, I spoke with President Xi, and they're working very, very hard. And I think it's going to all work out fine. " Trump, at a campaign rally in Manchester, and. H. On February 10th.
"In our country, we only have, basically, 12 cases and most of those people are recovering and some cases fully recovered. So it's actually less." Trump, in an interview with Geraldo Rivera the very next day on February 11th.
"The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!" -- said a clueless Donald Trump on February 24th.
The only thing anybody needs to know is that the USA has 4.5% of the world's population and 28% of the world's COVID-19 deaths.Hey, what can I say. America First!
ScatManDoo
05-18-20, 11:45
I am sorry. But this is the worst idea ever for a forum on a mongering site. I come here to get away from "American Politics" and enjoy, albeit vicariously, other peoples adventures in this time of containment. Then why would you clicking on and read through an opinion thread titled "American Politics"?
You must be a very 'special' thinking person.
ScatManDoo
05-18-20, 15:35
You Democrats have had 4 years to prepare for November and the best you can come up with is an old pervert with dementia that lies much worse than Trump.Well I have just directlyquoted 10 lies told by Donald Trump in Just January and February 2020. Why don't you prove your assertion that Joe Biden is a worse at lying by providing 11 lies of Joe Biden.
Take 3 or 4 months time period instead of just the 60-day period like I was able to compile. Please teach me because I (mistakenly?) believe Donald is the biggest & fattest liar on the planet.
Pretend I'm from Missouri and show me Beavis.
Butthead can even help you.
Sorry I don't know about anyone else but that is really a lousy comparison!I think it's a pretty good comparison. That 2008 financial crash was not confined to the USA. It created a gigantic ripple effect all around the world, plunging international economies outside of the USA into paralyses, crashing stock markets almost across the board.
However, the real trigger for that deep panic sell-off around the world was a shocking event that occurred on September 29, 2008, about two weeks after the collapse of Lehman Bros. That also happened in the USA, of course. But the ones who pulled the trigger were just a handful of Congressional House members from one political side of the aisle.
The world probably should have billed that party for the global financial destruction triggered on that day and punished them in some way for causing it. Instead, the USA rewarded them with a historic electoral victory just 2 years later. Go figure.
LittleBigMan
05-20-20, 12:14
I think it's a pretty good comparison. That 2008 financial crash was not confined to the USA. It created a gigantic ripple effect all around the world, plunging international economies outside of the USA into paralyses, crashing stock markets almost across the board.
However, the real trigger for that deep panic sell-off around the world was a shocking event that occurred on September 29, 2008, about two weeks after the collapse of Lehman Bros. That also happened in the USA, of course. But the ones who pulled the trigger were just a handful of Congressional House members from one political side of the aisle.
The world probably should have billed that party for the global financial destruction triggered on that day and punished them in some way for causing it. Instead, the USA rewarded them with a historic electoral victory just 2 years later. Go figure.I don't dispute any of your reasons, for me, it comes down to one thing as to why it isn't a good comparison to me at least. You are talking apples and oranges when it comes to the financial markets it was opened freely to everyone they had a choice to invest or not invest and the ability to do their own research it wasn't forced on us like the Virus. In many ways through financial report investors were warned the Virus by China NO! People didn't die in the numbers they are dying today millions of jobs lost and people lockdown in their homes.
Now I don't have to go through everything China did when they knew and could have told the world just own up to the problem which is what the financial market did when it collapsed, of course, anyone could make an argument as to whether they did or not. Sure I lost some money than gain much more back I benefited from years of being able to buy and refi my properties and get a ton of equity out of it. Everything I own here which is a lot all the money in the bank and abroad came from much of the market back home.
When it comes to the Virus we are here today because the Communist Maoist when they knew hid everything from the world today they still deny the timeline and threaten anyone or country if challenged they destroyed the world economy this comes from leaders who want to be number #1 world! Lying, stealing, killing isn't a way to lead. In the end, you are here debating price, looks, lockdown subjected to online pussy did that happen when the financial market hit! Don't answer that E. T. Let it go.
I have Chinese heritage in me when China was opening up 30 plus years ago I was hoping they wouldn't go down this route they did and have today, to be honest, I'm ashamed to be Chinese because of the communist leaders. I was thinking of being 100% Thai but then I came to my senses!
I don't dispute any of your reasons, for me, it comes down to one thing as to why it isn't a good comparison to me at least. You are talking apples and oranges when it comes to the financial markets it was opened freely to everyone they had a choice to invest or not invest and the ability to do their own research it wasn't forced on us like the Virus. In many ways through financial report investors were warned the Virus by China NO! People didn't die in the numbers they are dying today millions of jobs lost and people lockdown in their homes.
..The damage from the financial crisis in 2008 was not limited to voluntary investors in the stock markets. In the USA, hundreds of thousands of jobs were lost per month for several months. I assume there were similar mass job losses and business closures in other countries as well. People who paid their mortgages and on time lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in equity because ten other homes on the block lost 90% of their value and those properties dragged all home values down in the area. There were millions of victims of that disaster who had more than discretionary gambling money on the line.
I think the point was to either get restitution from China, punish them or both because the pandemic started there. I realize one is about death and one is about money. But we're talking about financial restitution and monetary penalties, aren't we? I mean, there is no way to bring back the dead. And I don't think the idea is to kill one Chinese person for every American, European, Thai, etc. person who died from it. So, in that way the call for restitution and punishment, if any, from the country that started the problem is also similar to what could have been done after the 2008 financial crisis. Money.
ScatManDoo
05-20-20, 22:18
I rarely support Trump's stupid ideas.
But I fully support his choice to take hydroxychloroquin.
In fact, I suggest he double his current dosage.
Why not get twice the protection? What's he got to lose?
You don't seem to realize Trump hid the disaster coming from the covid until mid March when he started allowing people to be tested. Begining of March less people had been tested in the US than in south africa.
Trump was even calling the illness "a hoax from the democrats" end of February and was saying the remaining few people sick would be brough to 0 in a matter of days.
Blame it on China all you wan't for the 3 or 4 weeks lost from end December to wuhan's closure around Jan. 20th, they at least quarantined wuhan and hubei at that time till end of March (or mid April for wuhan).
And you seem to have missed that pretty much ALL OF China was less stricly but still quarantined from jan 22 until mid Feb / end of Feb depending on the province and area... with inter province 14 days quarantine maintained long after that (when people came to big cities from other provinces had to stay 14 days at home after already being quarantined 6 weeks in their home province).
We all witnessed too what happened on the Diamond Princess boat or in Italy after that. So claiming we had no idea about the death or contamination rates is a lie.
Yet as of Feb. 26 (2 days before Trump declared the illness a hoax) here are the numbers of concluded tests:
- United States: 445 concluded tests, of which 14 positive (3. 1% positivity rate).
- Italy: 9,462 tests, of which 470 positive, awaiting results: unknown (at least 5. 0% positivity rate).
- South Korea: 66,652 tests with 1766 positives 25,568 awaiting results (4. 3% positivity rate).
So many people asking to be tested for covid 19 in the US were denied those tests until mid March.
As for Trump's administration massive proofs that the virus was coming from a lab, they were so massive its administration ended up not releasing them.
If Trump had thought a bit more about the american people rather than trying to save his reelection against all cost, he would probably have taken the necessary measures earlier.
Testing people, giving them masks, putting the country under quarantine just like China did at an early stage.
Trump, Trump, Trump... everything seems to be about him rather than about the people. Can't he lead the country for the people rather than being so self absorbed and tweeting all day?
Who's next to lead the US? Kim Kardashian?
I don't dispute any of your reasons, for me, it comes down to one thing as to why it isn't a good comparison to me at least. You are talking apples and oranges when it comes to the financial markets it was opened freely to everyone they had a choice to invest or not invest and the ability to do their own research it wasn't forced on us like the Virus. In many ways through financial report investors were warned the Virus by China NO! People didn't die in the numbers they are dying today millions of jobs lost and people lockdown in their homes.
Now I don't have to go through everything China did when they knew and could have told the world just own up to the problem which is what the financial market did when it collapsed, of course, anyone could make an argument as to whether they did or not. Sure I lost some money than gain much more back I benefited from years of being able to buy and refi my properties and get a ton of equity out of it. Everything I own here which is a lot all the money in the bank and abroad came from much of the market back home.
When it comes to the Virus we are here today because the Communist Maoist when they knew hid everything from the world today they still deny the timeline and threaten anyone or country if challenged they destroyed the world economy this comes from leaders who want to be number #1 world! Lying, stealing, killing isn't a way to lead. In the end, you are here debating price, looks, lockdown subjected to online pussy did that happen when the financial market hit! Don't answer that E. T. Let it go.
I have Chinese heritage in me when China was opening up 30 plus years ago I was hoping they wouldn't go down this route they did and have today, to be honest, I'm ashamed to be Chinese because of the communist leaders. I was thinking of being 100% Thai but then I came to my senses!
You don't seem to realize Trump hid the disaster coming from the covid until mid March when he started allowing people to be tested. Begining of March less people had been tested in the US than in south africa.
Trump was even calling the illness "a hoax from the democrats" end of February and was saying the remaining few people sick would be brough to 0 in a matter of days.
Blame it on China all you wan't for the 3 or 4 weeks lost from end December to wuhan's closure around Jan. 20th, they at least quarantined wuhan and hubei at that time till end of March (or mid April for wuhan).
And you seem to have missed that pretty much ALL OF China was less stricly but still quarantined from jan 22 until mid Feb / end of Feb depending on the province and area... with inter province 14 days quarantine maintained long after that (when people came to big cities from other provinces had to stay 14 days at home after already being quarantined 6 weeks in their home province).
We all witnessed too what happened on the Diamond Princess boat or in Italy after that. So claiming we had no idea about the death or contamination rates is a lie.
Yet on as of Feb. 26 (2 days before Trump declared the illness a hoax) here are the numbers of concluded tests:
- United States: 445 concluded tests, of which 14 positive (3. 1% positivity rate).
- Italy: 9,462 tests, of which 470 positive, awaiting results: unknown (at least 5. 0% positivity rate).
- South Korea: 66,652 tests with 1766 positives 25,568 awaiting results (4. 3% positivity rate).
So many people asking to be tested for covid 19 in the US were denied those tests until mid March.
As for Trump's administration massive proofs that the virus was coming from a lab, they were so massive its administration ended up not releasing them.
If Trump had thought a bit more about the american people rather than trying to save his reelection against all cost, he would probably have taken the necessary measures earlier.
Testing people, giving them masks, putting the country under quarantine just like China did at an early stage.
Trump, Trump, Trump... everything seems to be about him rather than about the people. Can't he lead the country for the people rather than being so self absorbed and tweeting all day?
Who's next to lead the US? Kim Kardashian?You've forgotten the most damning action China took. Placing Wuhan on lockdown and not allowing folks there to travel to any other part of China while still allowing them to travel internationally. That being said, the US did to react in time.
You've forgotten the most damning action China took.
Placing Wuhan on lockdown and not allowing folks there to travel to any other part of China while still allowing them to travel internationally.
That being said, the US did to react in time.Wuhan airport was also shut down on January 23rd. So its not true people under lockdown in Wuhan were able to travel internationaly. Only people who had left the city and province before that date were able to travel abroad (which is why countries had to send charter flights to wuhan after that date to get their citizens back home).
But your point is intersting because Trump indeed claimed his travel ban was the solution to all problems "I do think we were very early, but I also think that we were very smart, because we stopped China," he said at a briefing on Tuesday, adding, "That was probably the biggest decision we made so far. ".
When in fact "430,000 People Have Traveled From China to USA Since Coronavirus Surfaced. There were 1,300 direct flights to 17 cities before President Trump's travel restrictions. Since then, nearly 40,000 Americans and other authorized travelers have made the trip" according to an investigation from the NYTimes 1. 5 months ago (so the numbers are probably higher now). https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html.
LittleBigMan
05-21-20, 01:48
You don't seem to realize Trump hid the disaster coming from the covid until mid March when he started allowing people to be tested. Begining of March less people had been tested in the US than in south africa.
Trump was even calling the illness "a hoax from the democrats" end of February and was saying the remaining few people sick would be brough to 0 in a matter of days.
Blame it on China all you wan't for the 3 or 4 weeks lost from end December to wuhan's closure around Jan. 20th, they at least quarantined wuhan and hubei at that time till end of March (or mid April for wuhan).
And you seem to have missed that pretty much ALL OF China was less stricly but still quarantined from jan 22 until mid Feb / end of Feb depending on the province and area... with inter province 14 days quarantine maintained long after that (when people came to big cities from other provinces had to stay 14 days at home after already being quarantined 6 weeks in their home province).
We all witnessed too what happened on the Diamond Princess boat or in Italy after that. So claiming we had no idea about the death or contamination rates is a lie.
Yet as of Feb. 26 (2 days before Trump declared the illness a hoax) here are the numbers of concluded tests:
- United States: 445 concluded tests, of which 14 positive (3. 1% positivity rate).
- Italy: 9,462 tests, of which 470 positive, awaiting results: unknown (at least 5. 0% positivity rate).
- South Korea: 66,652 tests with 1766 positives 25,568 awaiting results (4. 3% positivity rate).
So many people asking to be tested for covid 19 in the US were denied those tests until mid March.
As for Trump's administration massive proofs that the virus was coming from a lab, they were so massive its administration ended up not releasing them.
If Trump had thought a bit more about the american people rather than trying to save his reelection against all cost, he would probably have taken the necessary measures earlier.
Testing people, giving them masks, putting the country under quarantine just like China did at an early stage.
Trump, Trump, Trump... everything seems to be about him rather than about the people. Can't he lead the country for the people rather than being so self absorbed and tweeting all day?
Who's next to lead the US? Kim Kardashian?In the end, I'm not going to subject poster here to convince you or anyone who is the blame, I'm sure I can anyone can and certainty you will find a reason but I start from the beginning as to the origination and how it spread I'm not going to layout stats about countries and last bring in Trump's name. I'm not going to even whitewash the name saying calling it Wuhan.
LittleBigMan
05-21-20, 02:15
The damage from the financial crisis in 2008 was not limited to voluntary investors in the stock markets. In the USA, hundreds of thousands of jobs were lost per month for several months. I assume there were similar mass job losses and business closures in other countries as well. People who paid their mortgages and on time lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in equity because ten other homes on the block lost 90% of their value and those properties dragged all home values down in the area. There were millions of victims of that disaster who had more than discretionary gambling money on the line.
I think the point was to either get restitution from China, punish them or both because the pandemic started there. I realize one is about death and one is about money. But we're talking about financial restitution and monetary penalties, aren't we? I mean, there is no way to bring back the dead. And I don't think the idea is to kill one Chinese person for every American, European, Thai, etc. person who died from it. So, in that way the call for restitution and punishment, if any, from the country that started the problem is also similar to what could have been done after the 2008 financial crisis. Money.I think we are in agreement again I would believe it is my writing that is causing the problem. I will address restitution I'm for all of that stuff but the politician that is on the bandwagon now is nothing but talk talking to get support for themselves or their party. Both parties got their head up so far the ass of the Chinese that is all they can do is talk they got no real plan to make them pay nor a real plan to get American companies to leave. Have you heard any of them do some Google search and see the top 10 on the list once you get by KFC? I can guarantee KFC gave up their secret spicies to operate there and grow and grow they did!
This has been going on for 30-40 years you think the USA Is going to say " we aren't going to make good on T-Bills you got " every USA Expert will tell you, No but Hell No. So what is the plan? During the short trade war majority of the views I read was Trump Trump is an idiot the reality the Chinese Leaders have been saying this for some time that Americans don't have the fortitude they are too absorbed with their I-phones, cheap T. V. Electronics, clothes, appliances companies, Chevy all being sold or being made in China. G. E. , Boeing, Tesla, hundreds of top Universities taking large donations from China so the Chinese can create fake documents to send their young spies to these Universities. In the last few years, at least a dozen Chinese caught working in top research centers or being on the payroll of the Chinese. The list is deep and long and that doesn't include donations to all our politicians in some form or another.
The first shot fired was during the World Cup Basketball, but no one seems to notice because it was sports who would have known it was a sign to come! As soon as China Leaders spoke about the Houston GM comments every free speech advocate in the NBA shut down, You hear from LeBron, Harding, Curry, Thompson, any owner any other GM, China told them to shut up and jump and everyone did except Shaq that was a surprise? Any companies then or now complaining and standing up!
Yes, they should be punished, and standing up announcing it so they can get votes isn't going to do it. They want to win got to play the game the same way the Chinese do it " Art of War " look your enemy in the face agree when they turn stab them in the back that is how you deal with China leaders but neither our Congress or Senate is going to do it, has any bill come to the floor even if it did has it passed. Yes it is the perfect time to fix the problem where do we start?
Mr Enternational
05-21-20, 04:21
You don't seem to realize Trump hid the disaster coming from the covid until mid March when he started allowing people to be tested.Seeing that Trump is not the supreme ruler of the world, what were the presidents and prime ministers of the other 194 countries on the planet saying and doing at the time?
Seeing that Trump is not the supreme ruler of the world, what were the presidents and prime ministers of the other 194 countries on the planet saying and doing at the time?That depends on whether those other countries had the same access and intel gathering powers of the USA's National Security Council, State Department and Pentagon to rely on getting "different" info on the progress and truth about what was really happening in China early on.
Doubtful any other countries did. Like it or not, fair or not, they generally rely on the USA using its generally agreed upon top powers, money, influence and position as the Leader of the Free World to find out those things, which we did, giving that info to the president, which our intel agencies did, and on him/her doing the right thing with that info, which he didn't. Instead, he ignored what was told to him and chose to repeat and confirm China's lies about it.
Wuhan airport was also shut down on January 23rd. So its not true people under lockdown in Wuhan were able to travel internationaly. Only people who had left the city and province before that date were able to travel abroad (which is why countries had to send charter flights to wuhan after that date to get their citizens back home).
But your point is intersting because Trump indeed claimed his travel ban was the solution to all problems "I do think we were very early, but I also think that we were very smart, because we stopped China," he said at a briefing on Tuesday, adding, "That was probably the biggest decision we made so far. ".
When in fact "430,000 People Have Traveled From China to USA Since Coronavirus Surfaced. There were 1,300 direct flights to 17 cities before President Trump's travel restrictions. Since then, nearly 40,000 Americans and other authorized travelers have made the trip" according to an investigation from the NYTimes 1. 5 months ago (so the numbers are probably higher now). https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html.The problems with your basis of criticism of President Trump is from using the New York Times as your fact check. The NY Times is a notorious anti-Trump publication It is at best is an arm of the Democratic Party. At worst a left wing publication of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), the US version of Xinhua.
You fail to note that the CCP was busy trying to hide the outbreak in December when it went out of its way to "arrest" the whistleblowing doctor who took notice of the outbreak. That doctor later contracted the Wuhan virus and died from it over a month ago. Those are the facts. The CCP is the most responsible for this Wuhan virus breaking out around the world.
The CCP does not care how many Chinese people die, because with 1. 5 billion people, a few million is a small price to pay. The CCP is behind this "attack" because it cannot fight a war with the free world with its feeble PLA. War is just no longer feasible with weapons of mass destruction so easy to kill millions in a matter of a few hours. Throw a new pandemic as a weapon to the developed nations who are not prepared for this type of "warfare" and the CCP is happy to destroy the world economy so long as the PRC becomes the big economic power of the world. The Belt and Road strategy is their road map for world domination. Build a soccer stadium that you can pay back and another third world country is in your pocket. Create a few "islands" and take over a strategic ocean resource. There are 88 million members of the CCP enslaving 1. 5 billion people in the PRC. How long will this last?
The problems with your basis of criticism of President Trump is from using the New York Times as your fact check. The NY Times is a notorious anti-Trump publication It is at best is an arm of the Democratic Party. At worst a left wing publication of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), the US version of Xinhua.Weird the New York Times is one of the United States most prestigious press title funded in 1851, so it must be much more than just an anti Trump publication since it existed 150+ years before he was appointed president.
How about all the other press titles quoting similar numbers? Including FoxNews which isn't exactly "an arm of the democratic party".
You fail to note that the CCP was busy trying to hide the outbreak in December You failed to note it in my post but it is there as unlike you I have no problems with the facts and I stated it in my post on my own:
Blame it on China all you wan't for the 3 or 4 weeks lost from end December to wuhan's closure around Jan. 20thBut while I blame China for having lost those 3 or 4 weeks after they had identified the sickness and were starting getting evidence that it could potentially be transmitted from human to human. Why shouldn't I also blame Trump for wasting 2 to 3 MONTHS by claiming this illness was a hoax and refusing to test people until roughly mid March?
Sorry I'm not buying this line of defense from the Trump administration that we should just blame China and ask them to magically stop a virus which the great United States of america under Trump's "leadership" not only wasn't able to stop, but let it spread allover the USA like jam rather than doing what the chinese and several other countries have decided to do at early stage months before (test, protect, isolate).
Why was the Trump administration refusing for people to perfom covid tests with only a few hundreds achieved by end February? When Italy had already performed several thousands and South Korea 10's of thousands both with populations far lower than the US.
If you don't test, you cannot find the illness. Instead of making useless comments on TV or on tweeter calling the illness a hoax or saying it would be over in a matter of days he should have tested the population, distributed masks to lower the risk of contamination, and declare the country or significants parts of it under lockdown way before it was done not even by himself but to the governor's initiative, often against Trump whom ended up flaming those governors for saving lifes.
Think a bit less about reelection, and a bit more about the people... (yeah I know its naive to expect that but still... what a waste).
Seeing that Trump is not the supreme ruler of the world, what were the presidents and prime ministers of the other 194 countries on the planet saying and doing at the time?Thats actually the good way of looking at the problem.
Several countries decided to test early or confine early and had some of the greatest results. This includes countries such as Singapore, New Zealand. But even countries like South Korea or Japan whom were challenged at different phases.
The problem with most western countries is that they chose to treat the illness as a severe flu and decided not to confine people early (nor test that much for some of them) but wait for herd immunity to build itself. Since herd immunity requires 60 or 70% of the population to get the illness for it to work, and since hospital capacities are usually reached when 5 to 10% of the population contracts the virus due to the speed of contamination and the amount of people requiring intensive care (some countries have better capacities than others), the strategy of doing nothing and act as usual didn't work and several countries had to give up and enter some form of confinment / lowering outside contact to release the pressure.
Therefore it shows there were different scenarios withvery different outcomes which could be decided by our governments.
Several other governments have held China accountable for some real issues without using it as a smokescreen for their own actions (or lack of). Why are other leaders from occidental countries able to have a more responsible approach about their own acts?
And regarding the US, its not even a republican or democrate thing, there are great people on both sides, but there is clearly an issue with the current administration. I didn't see any other administration than the Trump administration refusing to be accountable for its own decisions and solely playing "the China card" even making the most stupid claims they were not able to backup in any way in the end. How are we supposed to push the chinese towards a more democratic system when the top level of the US administration, "leader of the free world", is caught lying repetedly including about the most stupid things.
In the end, don't fool yourself, we will be the ones accountable for all these people's acts and its its going to hurt much more than the sanitary crisis which started it.
LittleBigMan
05-21-20, 11:17
I wonder if we are talking about how the virus originated it seems the majority agreed but then the next word is to bring in Trump is this about the Virus or is it about Trump.
I didn't vote for the big mouth in fact I didn't get to vote when I was home many of my coffee buddies still remember what I said when he got elected that I wasn't scared of him being President because I believe in the system my LGBT (whatever you call it) my niece said she was moving to Canada I told her the same. Our system not perfect will keep him in check. From the beginning, I said his downfall will be his big mouth and Twitter I've been around white guys like him my whole life at work I said this is going to be the greatest reality show of all times.
I voted for Obama twice although I campaigned for Hillary in 2007, Obama was a total disappointment for me! When I look at stuff today I like what Trump or his administration has done in regards to foreign policy particularly with China. Right now I have no problem ticking the box for the big mouth if I could get home in Sept-Oct for a visit. There is no way in hell on his best day I would vote for Biden no matter who he selects isn't going to make a difference to me. My mother is 102, she still can at least talk straight.
I wonder if we are talking about how the virus originated it seems the majority agreed but then the next word is to bring in Trump is this about the Virus or is it about Trump.
I didn't vote for the big mouth in fact I didn't get to vote when I was home many of my coffee buddies still remember what I said when he got elected that I wasn't scared of him being President because I believe in the system my LGBT (whatever you call it) my niece said she was moving to Canada I told her the same. Our system not perfect will keep him in check. From the beginning, I said his downfall will be his big mouth and Twitter I've been around white guys like him my whole life at work I said this is going to be the greatest reality show of all times.
I voted for Obama twice although I campaigned for Hillary in 2007, Obama was a total disappointment for me! When I look at stuff today I like what Trump or his administration has done in regards to foreign policy particularly with China. Right now I have no problem ticking the box for the big mouth if I could get home in Sept-Oct for a visit. There is no way in hell on his best day I would vote for Biden no matter who he selects isn't going to make a difference to me. My mother is 102, she still can at least talk straight.I was never a supporter of Trump, but I agree, his policies have been way better than I thought they would be. I would love to see him come than seeing Biden as president. I would change my stance if it's someone else than Biden.
Regarding who to blame, I think Trump fucked up the handling of Corona in states. He just didn't listen to the people around him (or maybe he did). But if someone asks, who do I blame for corona and ruining so many people's life, I will say China without second thought. The way China hid the virus in Wuhan (in late November?) and allowed (intentionally?) It to spread was shameless. Because of it the virus spread worldwide and yes Italy / Iran / usa handled it miserably because of which whole world went into voluntarily in lockdown and ruined the economy. I can pick apart Prime ministers, President, kings of several country and their actions (or lack thereof) and how it costed the lives of people, but the situation which we are going to be in (not from p4 p point of view) couple of months is going to be horrific. And I do blame China for it.
I wonder if we are talking about how the virus originated it seems the majority agreed but then the next word is to bring in Trump is this about the Virus or is it about Trump.
I didn't vote for the big mouth in fact I didn't get to vote when I was home many of my coffee buddies still remember what I said when he got elected that I wasn't scared of him being President because I believe in the system my LGBT (whatever you call it) my niece said she was moving to Canada I told her the same. Our system not perfect will keep him in check. From the beginning, I said his downfall will be his big mouth and Twitter I've been around white guys like him my whole life at work I said this is going to be the greatest reality show of all times.
I voted for Obama twice although I campaigned for Hillary in 2007, Obama was a total disappointment for me! When I look at stuff today I like what Trump or his administration has done in regards to foreign policy particularly with China. Right now I have no problem ticking the box for the big mouth if I could get home in Sept-Oct for a visit. There is no way in hell on his best day I would vote for Biden no matter who he selects isn't going to make a difference to me. My mother is 102, she still can at least talk straight.My friend's 90 year old father, a WWII veteran and life long Democrat, voted for Hillary in 2016. After seeing what President Trump has done for the United States and the economy before the virus, he decided he was going to vote for Trump instead of Biden. Many elderly have no time for BS and think more clearly than the AOCs of the world!
Weird the New York Times is one of the United States most prestigious press title funded in 1851, so it must be much more than just an anti Trump publication since it existed 150+ years before he was appointed president.
How about all the other press titles quoting similar numbers? Including FoxNews which isn't exactly "an arm of the democratic party".
You failed to note it in my post but it is there as unlike you I have no problems with the facts and I stated it in my post on my own:
But while I blame China for having lost those 3 or 4 weeks after they had identified the sickness and were starting getting evidence that it could potentially be transmitted from human to human. Why shouldn't I also blame Trump for wasting 2 to 3 MONTHS by claiming this illness was a hoax and refusing to test people until roughly mid March?
Sorry I'm not buying this line of defense from the Trump administration that we should just blame China and ask them to magically stop a virus which the great United States of america under Trump's "leadership" not only wasn't able to stop, but let it spread allover the USA like jam rather than doing what the chinese and several other countries have decided to do at early stage months before (test, protect, isolate).
Why was the Trump administration refusing for people to perfom covid tests with only a few hundreds achieved by end February? When Italy had already performed several thousands and South Korea 10's of thousands both with populations far lower than the US.
If you don't test, you cannot find the illness. Instead of making useless comments on TV or on tweeter calling the illness a hoax or saying it would be over in a matter of days he should have tested the population, distributed masks to lower the risk of contamination, and declare the country or significants parts of it under lockdown way before it was done not even by himself but to the governor's initiative, often against Trump whom ended up flaming those governors for saving lifes.
Think a bit less about reelection, and a bit more about the people... (yeah I know its naive to expect that but still... what a waste).Trump's administration was given FALSE AND MISLEADING INFORMATION BY THE PRC AND WHO! Based on such information, how could any government official make a reasoned decision? Look at the entire world before just focusing in on President Trump. The governments of the entire world were making decisions based on the garbage that the PRC and WHO were handing out in December, January, February, March and April. So blaming Trump is ludicrous. Tell your CCP buddies that the misinformation campaign better be better than what you are peddling.
Banana Boi
05-21-20, 16:33
I thought political posts were a no go on ISG.
Not too sure how all this Trump talk is Thailand specific either. But I get it. Guys are bored being stuck at home.
Really wish there was a "Coronavirus and WTF are you talking about!" thread like in the Germany FKK forum.
I rarely support Trump's stupid ideas.
But I fully support his choice to take hydroxychloroquin.
In fact, I suggest he double his current dosage.
Why not get twice the protection? What's he got to lose?Too funny! Using his own words against him LOL!
Member #4698
05-21-20, 17:29
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4165-Coronavirus-and-WTF-are-you-talking-about!&p=2452662#post2452662.
I thought political posts were a no go on ISG. Not too sure how all this Trump talk is Thailand specific either. But I get it. Guys are bored being stuck at home.
Really wish there was a "Coronavirus and WTF are you talking about!" thread like in the Germany FKK forum.The left wing zealots will pollute and takeover the Coronavirus thread as well if they are allowed to. They can't help themselves. They are on a political crusade to save the world. Ha Ha.
As a counter example, there is a competing P4 P website that does a better job at policing its threads. I am not allowed to mention the name of this competing website here, but I am pretty sure everybody knows the site I am referring to. Their thread is called Coronavirus - Nothing but the Facts or something like that. Sorry Jackson or whoever is in charge here. Banish me if your want. Take away my posting privileges - I don't care, but allowing the left wingers to take over a forum topic is bad management or maybe you approve of the takeover. In any case, either do something about it or I predict you will lose 30% to 50% of your contributing members. Take a look/see at Sports Illustrated subscription numbers over the last 6 years since they began to insert left wing dogma into their sports stories if you don't believe me.
Natty Bumpo - I am fed up.
Trump's administration was given FALSE AND MISLEADING INFORMATION BY THE PRC AND WHO! Based on such information, how could any government official make a reasoned decision?Weird, I was reading below Trump was a foreign policy genius, and now you are saying he got played like a moron by China.
As much as China tried to hide things from end December to 20th of January, why didn't the Trump administration understand that if China put 50 million people in mandatory lockdown from 22th of January to begining of april and 1. 3 billion people in semi mandatory lockdown from 25th of January to mid / end of February, it was for a reason? why several other asian countries adopted strick measures too?
President's intelligence briefing book repeatedly cited virus threat.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/presidents-intelligence-briefing-book-repeatedly-cited-virus-threat/2020/04/27/ca66949a-8885-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html
How about the diamond princess? 700 sick people within a few days on the boat and half a dozen dead so pretty much the same death ratio we're seing nowdays. And Trump was still minimizing the situation, refusing to test the american people against covid. Calling the sickness a hoax.
Only a few hundred tests had been done in the US while Italy had done thousands and South Korea tens of thousands.
TESTS (or the decision from the administration NOT TO PERFORM TESTS) that's where the "FALSE AND MISLEADING INFO", to quote you, comes from. He refused to test and therefore didn't find the ten of thousand sicks people already there in america.
How about his support on twitter to people against the lockdown measures states took? How about the "lets get contaminated together parties" that came out of it?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/23/another-big-coronavirus-miscalculation-by-trump/
I thought political posts were a no go on ISG.I agree with that. Its not really why we come to this board.
But for it to work everyone has to follow this path, otherwise we get tempted to answer, and others to answer to our answers. Which fastly becomes a vicious circle :)
The left wing zealots will pollute and takeover the Coronavirus thread as well if they are allowed to. They can't help themselves.
Natty Bumpo - I am fed up.The right wing has its share of nuts too which is why allowing political talk on a site like this will result in the inevitable conclusion. If you want to talk politics there are many places to go and do so and no one is going to change anyone's mind about politics anyway. We can't even agree on how much to pay a WG. :)
Member #4698
05-21-20, 17:48
I agree with that. Its not really why we come to this board.
But for it to work everyone has to follow this path, otherwise we get tempted to answer, and others to answer to our answers. Which fastly becomes a vicious circle :)If you believe what you just posted then why don't you practice it.
To everyone including myself: STOP POSTING YOUR POLITICAL VIEWPOINTS! LEAVE THE ISG ALONE.
If you believe what you just posted then why don't you practice it.
To everyone including myself: STOP POSTING YOUR POLITICAL VIEWPOINTS!I'm all in for practicing it then. Lets see how it goes from this post.
My friend's 90 year old father, a WWII veteran and life long Democrat, voted for Hillary in 2016. After seeing what President Trump has done for the United States and the economy before the virus, he decided he was going to vote for Trump instead of Biden. Many elderly have no time for BS and think more clearly than the AOCs of the world!Now that we have had several "My friends, family and I will be voting for Trump because of the great job he did before Covid-19!" posts in a row with no left-wing zealot "Vote For Biden!" posts yet that I have noticed, I'd like to ask at least one question.
Does your friend's dad know the 3 years under Trump pre Covid-19 saw tens of thousands fewer USA Jobs created per month than the three years before Trump, that annualized GDP growth saw near zero improvement over what came before despite an additional $2.5+ Trillion added to the deficit to buy some improvement with the one and only economic "stimulus" bill passed pre Covid-19 on December 23, 2017 (the deficit had been in decline previously), that the broad USA Stock market already had one Bear Market Crash, the first one since G. W. Bush was president, just one year after that $2.5+ Trillion deficit-busting economic "stimulus" bill was passed, in December 2018, that the USA Manufacturing and Agriculture sectors were already in Recession requiring economic emergency response Welfare checks to be issued due to the trade war with China among others, again the first such sector Recessions since the recovery began under Obama, and that most of the early blunders regarding our lack of preparedness for the pandemic going all the way back to Trump's first months in office are more than arguably economic stewardship blunders and not just health endangerment blunders?
Banana Boi
05-21-20, 19:47
When you guys say Right Wing and Left Wing I think you guys are talking about hockey or rugby or trying to decide which chicken wing you should eat next. I know absolutely nothing about politics because imo it's the most boring topic I can think of. Maybe I should start talking about needlepoint or crocheting and see how you guys feel.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4165-Coronavirus-and-WTF-are-you-talking-about!&p=2452662#post2452662.
Here you go Boi.Thanks Run Mann but if other guys are like me we don't scroll all the way down to the Blog Section on a regular basis. The German thread is on the main forum. Maybe Admin2 can move your thread from the Blog section to the Main Forum.
Again, bottom line is none of this is Thailand specific. I come here to read about Thailand, not USA. If I want to read about the USA, I read the National Enquirer! Why don't we just randomly start posting stuff on the East Timor or Tajikstan forums because those Asian countries are in dire need for some ISG posts.
Weird, I was reading below Trump was a foreign policy genius, and now you are saying he got played like a moron by China.
As much as China tried to hide things from end December to 20th of January, why didn't the Trump administration understand that if China put 50 million people in mandatory lockdown from 22th of January to begining of april and 1. 3 billion people in semi mandatory lockdown from 25th of January to mid / end of February, it was for a reason? why several other asian countries adopted strick measures too?
President's intelligence briefing book repeatedly cited virus threat.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/presidents-intelligence-briefing-book-repeatedly-cited-virus-threat/2020/04/27/ca66949a-8885-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html
How about the diamond princess? 700 sick people within a few days on the boat and half a dozen dead so pretty much the same death ratio we're seing nowdays. And Trump was still minimizing the situation, refusing to test the american people against covid. Calling the sickness a hoax.
Only a few hundred tests had been done in the US while Italy had done thousands and South Korea tens of thousands.
TESTS (or the decision from the administration NOT TO PERFORM TESTS) that's where the "FALSE AND MISLEADING INFO", to quote you, comes from. He refused to test and therefore didn't find the ten of thousand sicks people already there in america.
How about his support on twitter to people against the lockdown measures states took? How about the "lets get contaminated together parties" that came out of it?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/23/another-big-coronavirus-miscalculation-by-trump/If you use the NY Times and Washington Post as your "sources" of information, you have shown your leftist leaning, anti-Trump colors to the world.
Tests? What does testing do to prevent the transmission of the Wuhan virus? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Infection takes place only by close contact with infected patients. That was proven in Wuhan, NY and Seattle nursing homes, and on cruise ships. Face masks of any kind, 6 feet distancing, and avoiding infected people will keep everyone safe. Once an effective vaccine is developed and mass inoculations of the most vulnerable takes place, this pandemic becomes a footnote in history.
Look at the outbreaks in northern China and Seoul that have been just discovered. Links to lack of social distancing and partying in gay karaoke bars was found to be the source of these outbreaks. The bars were closed in Seoul and northern China is in lockdown. Wait three weeks and those outbreaks will be over. How many people will have died from these outbreaks? Far less than the previous outbreaks in Wuhan and Daegu since the authorities know to handle the situation.
The severe outbreaks in the Northeast US is due to the extremely poor leadership of the Democrats who run those states. Not to be racist, but NY State and NYC both have Italians running their governments and given the Europe's worse outbreak is in Italy, my big suggestion is that no "Fredo" should be an elected leader in the free world! LOL !!! On a serious note, what idiot would order nursing homes to take in Wuhan virus patients? Governor Cuomo. Thousands of elderly nursing home patients died in NY. When asked if this was a bad decision, Cuomo said that the people in the nursing homes who died were old any way and would soon be dead. What school of government taught him that concept? The Nazis at Nuremberg?
Member #4698
05-21-20, 21:27
Maybe I should start talking about needlepoint or crocheting and see how you guys feel.
Everything now goes in the Thailand General Reports forum so if you want to delve into needlepoint go right ahead. I am interested in AstroPhysics myself, so I think I will start things off by posting "a simplified explanation and brief history of string theory" by Charlie Wood:
As a so-called "Theory of Everything" candidate, string theory aims to address various theoretical conundrums; the most fundamental of which is how gravity works for tiny objects like electrons and photons. General relativity describes gravity as a reaction of large objects, like planets, to curved regions of space, but theoretical physicists think gravity should ultimately behave more like magnetism fridge magnets stick because their particles are swapping photons with fridge particles. Of the four forces in nature, only gravity lacks this description from the perspective of small particles. Theorists can predict what a gravity particle should look like, but when they try to calculate what happens when two "gravitons" smash together, they get an infinite amount of energy packed into a small space a sure sign that the math is missing something.
One possible solution, which theorists borrowed from nuclear physicists in the 1970's, is to get rid of the problematic, point-like graviton particles. Strings, and only strings, can collide and rebound cleanly without implying physically impossible infinities.
"A one-dimensional object that's the thing that really tames the infinities that come up in the calculations," said Marika Taylor, a theoretical physicist at the University of Southampton in England.
String theory turns the page on the standard description of the universe by replacing all matter and force particles with just one element: Tiny vibrating strings that twist and turn in complicated ways that, from our perspective, look like particles. A string of a particular length striking a particular note gains the properties of a photon, and another string folded and vibrating with a different frequency plays the role of a quark, and so on. In addition to taming gravity, the framework proved attractive for its potential to explain so-called fundamental constants like the electron's mass. The next step is to find the right way to describe the folding and movement of strings, theorists hope, and everything else will follow.
But that initial simplicity turned out to come at the cost of unexpected complexity string math didn't work in the familiar four dimensions (three of space and one of time). It needed six additional dimensions (for a total of 10) visible only to the little strings, much as a powerline looks like a 1 D line to birds flying far overhead but a 3 D cylinder to an ant crawling on the wire. Adding to the conundrum, physicists had come up with five conflicting string theories by the mid-1980's. The theory of everything was fractured.
A more fundamental theory emerges.
Over the next decade, scientists exploring the relationships between the five theories began to find unexpected connections, which Edward Witten, a theorist at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, New Jersey, gathered up and presented at a 1995 string theory conference at the University of Southern California. Witten argued that the five string theories each represented an approximation of a more fundamental, 11-dimensional theory in a particular situation, much as how Einstein's space- and time-bending theories of relativity match Newton's description of objects moving at normal speeds.
The novel theory is called M-theory, although to this day no one knows what mathematical form it might take. The "M" is likely inspired by higher-dimensional objects called membranes, Taylor said, but since the theory has no concrete mathematical equations, the "M" remains a placeholder with no official meaning. "It was really a parametrization of our ignorance," Taylor said. "This parent theory that would describe absolutely everything. ".
Attempts to find those general equations that would work in every possible situation made little progress, but the alleged existence of the fundamental theory gave theorists the understanding and confidence needed to develop mathematical techniques for the five versions of string theory and apply them in the right context. Strings are far too small to detect with any conceivable technology, but one early theoretical success was their ability to describe black hole entropy in 1996.
Entropy refers to the number of ways that you can arrange the parts of a system, but without being able to see into the impenetrable depths of a black hole, no one knows what type of particles might lie inside, or what arrangements they can take. And yet, in the early 1970's Stephen Hawking and others showed how to calculate the entropy, suggesting that black holes have some sort of internal structure. Most attempts to describe the black hole's makeup fall short, but tallying the configurations of hypothetical strings does the trick. "String theory has been able to give a spot-on counting," Taylor says, "not just roughly getting it right. ".
The string framework still faces many challenges, however: It produces an impossible number of ways to fold up the extra dimensions that all seem to fit the broad features of the Standard Model of particle physics, with little hope of distinguishing which is the right one. Moreover, all of those models rely on an equivalence between force particles and matter particles called supersymmetry that, like the extra dimensions, we don't observe in our world. The models also don't seem to describe an expanding universe.
A number of physicists, such as Peter Woit of Columbia University, view these divergences from reality as fatal flaws. "The basic problem with string theory unification research is not that progress has been slow over the past 30 years," he wrote on his blog, "but that it has been negative, with everything learned showing more clearly why the idea doesn't work. ".
Taylor, however, maintains that today's models are overly simplistic, and that features like cosmological expansion and a lack of supersymmetry may someday be built into future versions. Taylor expects that, while the new era of gravitational wave astronomy may bring new tidbits of information about quantum gravity, more progress will be made by continuing to follow the math deeper into string theory. "I have a theoretical bias," she said, "but I think the kind of breakthrough I'm describing would come from a chalkboard; from thought. ".
Modern string theory connects mathematical dots.
Regardless of how string theory's Theory of Everything candidacy evolves, its legacy as a productive research program may be assured on mathematical merit alone.
"It can't be a dead end in the sense of what we've learned just from mathematics itself," Taylor said. "If you told me tomorrow that the universe absolutely isn't supersymmetric and doesn't have 10 (spatial) dimensions, we've still connected whole branches of mathematics. ".
When Witten and others showed that the five string theories were shadows of a single parent theory, they highlighted connections called dualities, which have proven to be a major contribution to mathematics and physics.
A duality is an abstract, mathematical relationship between two situations that look different, but can be translated from one to the other. Consider, for example, a bird hologram on a credit card. Is it 2 D or 3 D? In a physical sense the sticker is flat, but in a visual sense the image has depth. Both descriptions agree that the hologram contains a bird.
Physicists have used analogous dualities to bridge seemingly unrelated branches of math, such as geometry and number theory. Each operates as a separate language, but dualities let mathematicians translate from one to the other, attacking problems untenable in one framework by using calculations done in the other. Other dualities help overcome challenges in quantum computing. "It's not going to make your next generation iPhone," Taylor said, "But it may make your iPhone for the 22nd century. ".
Whether string theory's ability to illuminate the dark web connecting different areas of math turns out to be a sign of its potential, or just a lucky coincidence, remains a subject of debate. Witten, speaking at the Institute for Advanced Study in May, acknowledged that while he no longer feels as confident as he once did that did that string theory will evolve into a complete physical theory, his gut tells him that the theory remains productive field of research.
"To me, it's implausible that humans stumbled by accident on (to) such an incredible structure that sheds so much light on established physical theories, and also on so many different branches of mathematics," he told the audience. "I have confidence that the general enterprise is on the right track, but I don't claim that the argument I've given is scientifically convincing."
My next post will be on M Theory
The left wing zealots will pollute and takeover the Coronavirus thread as well if they are allowed to. They can't help themselves. They are on a political crusade to save the world. Ha Ha.
As a counter example, there is a competing P4 P website that does a better job at policing its threads. I am not allowed to mention the name of this competing website here, but I am pretty sure everybody knows the site I am referring to. Their thread is called Coronavirus - Nothing but the Facts or something like that. Sorry Jackson or whoever is in charge here. Banish me if your want. Take away my posting privileges - I don't care, but allowing the left wingers to take over a forum topic is bad management or maybe you approve of the takeover. In any case, either do something about it or I predict you will lose 30% to 50% of your contributing members. Take a look/see at Sports Illustrated subscription numbers over the last 6 years since they began to insert left wing dogma into their sports stories if you don't believe me.
Natty Bumpo - I am fed up.Natty. You seem like a very sensible dude, but you let the bile that is politics on a hooker web site get under your skin? I'm surprised.
LittleBigMan
05-22-20, 02:01
The left wing zealots will pollute and takeover the Coronavirus thread as well if they are allowed to. They can't help themselves. They are on a political crusade to save the world. Ha Ha.
As a counter example, there is a competing P4 P website that does a better job at policing its threads. I am not allowed to mention the name of this competing website here, but I am pretty sure everybody knows the site I am referring to. Their thread is called Coronavirus - Nothing but the Facts or something like that. Sorry Jackson or whoever is in charge here. Banish me if your want. Take away my posting privileges - I don't care, but allowing the left wingers to take over a forum topic is bad management or maybe you approve of the takeover. In any case, either do something about it or I predict you will lose 30% to 50% of your contributing members. Take a look/see at Sports Illustrated subscription numbers over the last 6 years since they began to insert left wing dogma into their sports stories if you don't believe me.
Natty Bumpo - I am fed up.Not taking sides, your opinion is a bit bias even on this site the only thing people are doing is giving their opinion right or wrong that is all it is, the left spins and so does the right read accept it or take it with a grain of salt and hope you have enough sense to make something out of it. Just because it doesn't sit well with your position doesn't mean you should leave walk out of this site isn't going to mean you won't get it outside.
I've had my differences in the past with Jackson I don't think he is around any longer but even then when I did at least I had the opportunity behind the scenes to have a conversation with him, to be honest, whoever is in charge has a better handle now it seems?
I know the website you didn't mention I haven't posted in years and just left for a number of reasons it is informative but years before joining I was told the web owners are biased so are a number of their regular posters against Americans there seem to be a click group who control everything and what I mean control everything is they have a moderator who join into the conversation and if they don't like what is said about their own opinion get warnings, timeouts, and finally banned if you try to even have a simple conversation from their own rules it is their way or the highway. I've heard a number of members say " think their shit don't smell " you take what you need to state your opinion or not and move on " there isn't greener grass " and that includes Websites like these. You walk you lose.
1. Divide the USA and the people even more than it already is.
2. Weaken any of the USA alliances with others.
3. Strengthen the USA's enemies' weaponry and nuclear arsenal.
4. Isolate the USA from the rest of the world.
5. Weaken the USA's economy by weakening any other economies pegged to it.
6. Piss off the biggest creditor of the USA in terms of foreign debt.
7. And perhaps when 1-6 is accomplished, send the country into a war.
Do 1-6 very cunningly, so that it's unsuspecting, just like a wolf in a sheep's clothing. Results speak for themselves, no matter what we do, what the intentions are, what we believe, what we write, or what comes out of our mouths. And if the price of tea in China does matter, I'the keep and eye on China and HK and the end of 1 country 2 systems with China's National Security Law. End of the world as we know it, and I feel fine.
Franciscass
05-22-20, 04:32
Natty. You seem like a very sensible dude, but you let the bile that is politics on a hooker web site get under your skin? I'm surprised.No doubt ISG has become more of a forum for expression of political views. I guess it's up to admin to decide how far that goes.
What I feel is important is how civil the discourse is. I have always felt where there is a difference of opinion on an issue it should and can be done with respect for the other person's opinion.
We can differ on issues, political, social and otherwise but unfortunately too often usually when one side feels it is losing the argument it sadly becomes heated and personalized.
It shouldn't and doesn't need to.
Franciscass
05-22-20, 09:52
The left wing zealots will pollute and takeover the Coronavirus thread as well if they are allowed to. They can't help themselves. They are on a political crusade to save the world. Ha Ha.
As a counter example, there is a competing P4 P website that does a better job at policing its threads. I am not allowed to mention the name of this competing website here, but I am pretty sure everybody knows the site I am referring to. Their thread is called Coronavirus - Nothing but the Facts or something like that. Sorry Jackson or whoever is in charge here. Banish me if your want. Take away my posting privileges - I don't care, but allowing the left wingers to take over a forum topic is bad management or maybe you approve of the takeover. In any case, either do something about it or I predict you will lose 30% to 50% of your contributing members. Take a look/see at Sports Illustrated subscription numbers over the last 6 years since they began to insert left wing dogma into their sports stories if you don't believe me.
Natty Bumpo - I am fed up.I hope you don't leave Natty. I may not agree with your views on politics but when you are not allowing yourself to be upset with criticisms of the dear leader your posts are no pun intended chatty and entertaining and sometimes informative especially on the Manila scene where I sometimes find myself. Open forums like ISG attract all types from narcissistic navel gazers to online Walter Mitty's to perpetual whiners but mostly just decent heads who want to voice their opinion on their experiences of the P4 P scene here. Over the years I have found using the ignore button helps a lot in not allowing oneself to get annoyed at what's on screen. Hope things get back to some semblance of normality when or if you manage to get back later in the year. Stay safe.
ScatManDoo
05-22-20, 12:07
If you use the NY Times and Washington Post as your "sources" of information, you have shown your leftist leaning, anti-Trump colors to the world.
Tests? What does testing do to prevent the transmission of the Wuhan virus? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Infection takes place only by close contact with infected patients.Testing helps us to identify spreaders of the COVID-19 who are asymptomatic or experiencing minor symptoms. Otherwise these folks would have no other way to know that they need to take additional steps to prevent giving the virus to other people, like their friends and relatives.
Please let us know what sources you use to get your information from, so that we can get a good laugh.
I will suggest a good source for you to learn something, and be entertained.
Go watch the 50-minute interview that Joe Biden gave to Stephen Colbert on his late show May 21st (that ran past midnight into the 22nd of May).
Joe Biden tends to stays away from 5-syllable words like "asymptomatic", [Deleted by Admin]
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Thanks Run Mann but if other guys are like me we don't scroll all the way down to the Blog Section on a regular basis. The German thread is on the main forum. Maybe Admin2 can move your thread from the Blog section to the Main Forum.
Well the Thread is there and if you use it, others may follow your lead. Its ok to lament over its position but try contributing to it, you may effect the change you wanted.
If you use the NY Times and Washington Post as your "sources" of information, you have shown your leftist leaning, anti-Trump colors to the world.
My name is Stewie Griffin and I must confess. I hate Trump so much that I travelled back in time 150 years in my time traveling machine to create a newspaper with the only goal of discrediting DonaldTrump back in 2019. And you guessed. That newspaper is the New York Times.
In any case guys, I want to thank you. Really.
When I look at my country and see the huge mess the Government has made managing this crisis I think "we are the dumbest in the galaxy".
But then I just need to take a look at the good old USA. And I feel smarter. Not by much to be honest, but a little. The whole thing with the face masks is even better than the one the spanish Health minister has organized. And that was a tough one.
I never thought I would say this. But long live the Vietnamese Communist party (0 deaths and a nice border with China).
If people were not dying this would be so laughable.
The left wing zealots will pollute and takeover the Coronavirus thread as well if they are allowed to. I've always had the impression there are more right wing posters here than left wing posters. But I've never really counted them, so now I'm (just like Trump often does) making a statement without backing it up with evidence.
Their thread is called Coronavirus - Nothing but the Facts or something like that. The problem is that left wing and right wing posters often have a different view on what the real facts are.
LittleBigMan
05-23-20, 10:03
To keep people from hanging outside in groups on those mats drinking and eating and spreading corona.Do some people only see one side of life? I'm sure if there wasn't a curfew 3rd road the local clubs would be packed to the rim since business don't get going until 10 pm and that doesn't include all the Thai clubs further up 3rd road towards Pattaya Nua and then you got Naklau even more local clubs that cater to the underage if a Thai need to find their son a first place to look is head there.
Darkside, BBQ Jim June places packed to the rim no social distance anywhere to be seen it is like the wild west slowly opening they must not have gotten the word because it seem they are already on the 4th stage?
Franciscass
05-23-20, 13:01
I've always had the impression there are more right wing posters here than left wing posters. But I've never really counted them, so now I'm (just like Trump often does) making a statement without backing it up with evidence.It would be interesting to know the breakdown of ISG members between right wing or left wing, conservative or liberal, Pro Trump or Anti Trump. From those expressing views I feel it's pretty much an even split but with the edge given to the conservatives when it comes to feelings of righteousness.
I've always had the impression there are more right wing posters here than left wing posters. But I've never really counted them, so now I'm (just like Trump often does) making a statement without backing it up with evidence.I don't consider myself to be far left or far right. I can't stand either side really. I would say that I'm mostly left of center, but still so close to the center as not to be anywhere near a "leftist". I tend to feel most comfortable with left leaning candidates around the center, followed by right leaning around the center.
True, that is what it is called at the beginning in politics after the relationship it turns into an Entitlement it is the same if you take the same girl more than once!There is a school of thought that it is because US super power status is being challenged. It is how a treaty or law works, and it often has unintended consequences. One of it is that China is still classified as developing nation so it takes advantage of the status. This probably will all be fine if they don't challenge US technologically and militarily. Of example is quantum satellite and similar event has happen before. Russian is the first to send satellite to space and you can read about it on NASA web site to see how US react.
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I have no problem with someone else becoming the leader of the world other than the USA In spite of America not being perfect do their share of nation-building but this has been going on long before there was any America. In today's world I still would like them to lead if any of you want China or Russian I say knock yourself out!
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I'm not sure if the Pattaya thread is a good place to talk about politics. I always thought this thread was for guys with needy dicks in search of hot chicks, who want to cash in on their good looks and their willingness to do it with guys.
But I suppose, politics plays a role in the kind of sexual freedom Pattaya has. Governments in most places don't allow consenting women and men nearly as much sexual freedom as the Thai government allows.
And this is my problem with so-called leadership by USA or any other country. This leadership usually turns into imperialism and international despotism. The leader country tells everybody and every country what to do, or else. And this often affects the sexual freedom of people as well. Because the leader country imposes its moral standards and hypocrisies on everybody else, under the threat of various sanctions and penalties.
US leadership hasn't yet led to restrictions on sexual freedom in Thailand. But the risk for this is always there, as long as USA remains the leader. Because the US government has been sanctioning various countries for many different issues. It might be only a matter of time before some newly elected US government decides to start sanctioning and punishing Thailand for its sexual freedom.
I'd rather have diversity in the world, where various countries and jurisdictions are free to arrange their laws and freedoms the way they like. Because this way you can leave tyranny and go to a place where you can be free.
LittleBigMan
05-26-20, 12:59
I'm not sure if the Pattaya thread is a good place to talk about politics. I always thought this thread was for guys with needy dicks in search of hot chicks, who want to cash in on their good looks and their willingness to do it with guys.
But I suppose, politics plays a role in the kind of sexual freedom Pattaya has. Governments in most places don't allow consenting women and men nearly as much sexual freedom as the Thai government allows.
And this is my problem with so-called leadership by USA or any other country. This leadership usually turns into imperialism and international despotism. The leader country tells everybody and every country what to do, or else. And this often affects the sexual freedom of people as well. Because the leader country imposes its moral standards and hypocrisies on everybody else, under the threat of various sanctions and penalties.
US leadership hasn't yet led to restrictions on sexual freedom in Thailand. But the risk for this is always there, as long as USA remains the leader. Because the US government has been sanctioning various countries for many different issues. It might be only a matter of time before some newly elected US government decides to start sanctioning and punishing Thailand for its sexual freedom.
I'd rather have diversity in the world, where various countries and jurisdictions are free to arrange their laws and freedoms the way they like. Because this way you can leave tyranny and go to a place where you can be free.Politics usually not but with the Virus not a whole lot of dick and such being talked about reason most likely this has gone on as long as it has. As I noted someone would have noted start a new thread I'm sure you heard that before.
As for diversity in the world, don't hold your breath it will never happen in my lifetime or yours! Freedom is just a word some define it with more some with less but truly free it is overrated just a dream. Everybody needs somebody no man is an island? Politic is here to stay it might be just as old as the profession it is the reason we are getting pussy at all? It depends on how you look at it?
...As for diversity in the world, don't hold your breath it will never happen in my lifetime or yours! Freedom is just a word some define it with more some with less but truly free it is overrated just a dream. Everybody needs somebody no man is an island? Politic is here to stay it might be just as old as the profession it is the reason we are getting pussy at all? It depends on how you look at it?I'm not sure why you would say this about diversity in government and politics. Because even now we have enough diversity in the world to have sexual freedom in Thailand and some other places too.
So, I can leave my country where this kind of stuff is prohibited and find my freedom in Thailand, at least temporarily and at least enough to satisfy my need for companionship and sex enough not to feel desperate and depressed about it.
Perhaps the word 'freedom' is too general and too abstract to have much meaning. You need to be more specific what freedom exactly you are talking about. Because even in Thailand, people might have sexual freedoms, but their other freedoms might be restricted.
It all depends on what kind of freedom you need, so that you can go to a place where such freedom exists and experience it.
Banana Boi
05-26-20, 15:00
I'm not sure if the Pattaya thread is a good place to talk about politics. Unless it's Pattaya specific it should not be in the Pattaya Reports section. At the very least put it in the General Reports or Lounge section. Just looked and there is actually a "Thailand Politics" thread. Maybe we should use that as the political thread. Sorry to sound like Admin but I absolutely hate talking about politics and imo should be discussed on political boards, not a SEX board (unless it's about Bill Clinton).
Unless it's Pattaya specific it should not be in the Pattaya Reports section. At the very least put it in the General Reports or Lounge section. Just looked and there is actually a "Thailand Politics" thread. Maybe we should use that as the political thread. Sorry to sound like Admin but I absolutely hate talking about politics and imo should be discussed on political boards, not a SEX board (unless it's about Bill Clinton).With the state of my blue balls politics is beginning to sound very sexy.
Remember the show 'Family Ties' in which Michael J. Fox was an ultra Republican Nixon supporter. He subscribed to a politics magazine and in one episode he received an issue of that magazine in the mail which had a centerfold of Nixon, the photo was not shown on the screen but Michael's lustful expression looking at it was shown. Are there some Trumpites who would do the same now?
Now back to sex with those hot Walking Street girls.
Banana Boi
05-27-20, 03:47
Oh Fuck it, I'll join in the politics stuff and this will become a politics thread. No more Pattaya info.
So why is Trump such a conceited dickhead? Is he right in reopening America? Not sure if he's a left winger or a right winger? Why doesn't he just play Center?
Opening America now is a clever Trump economic decision. Everybody will get COVID-19, the young working people will do fine, the old retired people will die. Social security quickly becomes solvent because nobody collects retirement. Trump is rushing, he can't let a vaccine save us old farts first!USA is #1 economy in terms of GDP in the world and they #1 military in the world. But here is catch, they are also #1 in healthcare expenditure in the world and their economy is only 2nd behind (Hong Kong <-- Still belongs to China) in terms the service sector (80% of GDP) and #1 in service sector output or productivity. So, you've found the weakness. If you can't beat the army, then attack the service sector industry with something health related. A second wave or spike would pretty much destroy the USA and plummet us into a depression.
So, is this the thread where we can point out that (as of today) the Dow has only logged an average annual gain of about 7.9% since Trump became president 3 1/2 years ago and only about a 0.6% average annual gain since he passed his first economic "stimulus" legislation on December 23, 2017?
Cool.
I didn't even notice there was a thread like this here.
John Clayton
05-27-20, 16:23
...conservatives when it comes to feelings of righteousness.I think you mean feelings of personal aggrievment.
There has never been a louder war cry from conservatives than there currently is against Trump. The conservative Wall Street Journal seems to have had enough and several on Fox News and other conservatives are now openly taking Trump to task on a number of issues. Trump complains about the media all the time so to get the press he wants it may be time for him to start Trump TV.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/wsj-editorial-time-is-running-out-for-trump-without-transparency
https://www.alternet.org/2020/05/wsj-slams-trump-for-hurting-the-country-by-debasing-the-presidency-ugly-even-for-him/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-wasted-briefings-11586389028
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-how-trump-haunts-the-dead-20200526-o453ynqe6zcbhdb53tu5xncq7y-story.html
Beijing4987
05-27-20, 19:02
I think you mean feelings of personal aggrievment.Liberal contrarians are threatening to off those of the opposing political spectrum. The civil authorities will match their "hunting rifles" with body armor, tanks and drones. Revolutionaries before were burned out (Nazi bank robber on Whidbey Island, Washington state) Simbionese Liberation Army / Patty Hearst's kidnappers. Messiah David Koresh. M. O. V. E. In Philadelphia.
Meanwhile a Fat Nixon and Steve Munchkin and the boy wonder son in law are looting the treasury. Those who choose to crowd together can have Liberty & Death. No need to choose. Poor me. I can't get a tattoo and my wife can't gets her roots done. I wish they could meet someone whose relative was pushed out of a helicopter in Chile by military personnel trained at Fort Benning Georgia. The dominoes surrounding them now are tiny germs that will destroy their lungs. Party on. Mission accomplished.
Trump complains about the media all the time so to get the press he wants it may be time for him to start Trump TV.Would be best that he didn't since, given past business performance (failures and bankruptcies) it's likely to go belly up. Let me see that thong? No, let me see them taxes! LOL!
This Covid thing in the USA would be playing out just about the same regardless of who was the Figurehead-in-Chief.
Would be best that he didn't since, given past business performance (failures and bankruptcies) it's likely to go belly up. Let me see that thong? No, let me see them taxes! LOL!The primary purpose would be to give the press he wants but given the large far right following in the USA Coupled with so many people who enjoy drama TV, it could work as a money making venture.
USA is #1 economy in terms of GDP in the world and they #1 military in the world. But here is catch, they are also #1 in healthcare expenditure in the world and their economy is only 2nd behind (Hong Kong <-- Still belongs to China) in terms the service sector (80% of GDP) and #1 in service sector output or productivity. So, you've found the weakness. If you can't beat the army, then attack the service sector industry with something health related. A second wave or spike would pretty much destroy the USA and plummet us into a depression.The following is a message from an infectious disease physician. I think it expresses the sentiments of all of us physicians at this time:
This has easily been the longest 2 months of my career, and, for that matter, my life. COVID-19 has changed everything. The way we live, the way our kids learn, the way we work. It has trashed the economy, exploded unemployment, and harmed businesses, many of them, sadly, beyond repair. But here's the deal: it's real and it's here and it's still spreading.
As a healthcare worker, I'm exhausted. Physically, mentally, and emotionally. As a manager in the the healthcare industry, it's been one of the longest, most stressful things I've tackled.
First off, the truthers and the conspiracy people and the protesters, you're not helping. The people bitching CONSTANTLY about the governor's or whatever level of government's handling of things, it's not constructive.
Do you want to know why medical people, real medical people, not some crackpot quacks and kooks with a YouTube account or Facebook page, are taking this seriously? Because it's serious. And we're serious people when it comes to people's health and their lives. Yes, it mostly kills at-risk populations (the elderly and those with underlying medical conditions) but it also kills perfectly healthy people with no prior diagnoses and we don't know why. I'm so tired of people acting like there's information that's being cooked up or withheld. You know why there's lots of gaps in the information? Because we're still learning about this virus every day. It's new. It's never been seen. How it acts, how it spreads, why it does the things it does is all new and we're learning on the fly. Stop mistaking genuine lack of information for misinformation or withheld information.
The numbers: this one sticks in my craw like no other. "I heard they didn't die from COVID-19, they died from a heart attack but they were positive so they called it COVID-19 to boost the numbers and scare people. " Stop. It. You know how many people died specifically from AIDS? Zero. AIDS patients die from pneumonia or some other illness normal, healthy people fight off because the AIDS virus destroyed their immune system and they couldn't fight off the infection. But at the heart of it, they died because of AIDS. The coronavirus attacks the respiratory system. The respiratory system is, in case you didn't know, pretty important to sustaining life. It also has a huge impact on how other organ systems, like the heart, work. Guess what, when your lungs don't work because they've basically filled with brick mortar because the virus is attacking them, that puts a bit of a strain on your ticker and very well can cause it to fail. So unless you have a basic understanding of or want to understand how interconnected organ systems are and how the body fundamentally functions: stop.
I think I can speak for a lot of medical professionals when I say, we don't mean to be arrogant, we don't mean to be jerks, but damn it, this bullshit is frustrating and yes, we're going to clap back to ignorance. Ignorance is not something to be flaunted and there is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance is being uninformed. Stop being willfully ignorant and even reveling in it because it doesn't fit your preconceived narrative or opinion. Even worse, stop pretending you're not ignorant because you watched some damn YouTube video or read some op-ed piece. That's someone's opinion, normally based on nothing. NOTHING. No research. That's not information. That's not factual. That's not based in science. It's click-bait with the sole intention of riling you up and getting you to let your guard down. And instead of being pissed at the virus that's causing all this, it's to direct your anger at the government or doctors or anywhere else their agenda wants it directed.
Medical people are fired up for a couple reasons. 1 month ago, we were all heroes and putting our lives on the line because this was dangerous stuff. Well, I think I can speak for most of us when I say we aren't heroic, we're just doing our job. But guess what, we're still doing the same damn thing we were doing a month ago and this crap still hasn't gone away but now we're "just trying to scare people" because "it's really no big deal. " We aren't looking for a pat on the back or even a thank you, we just want you to do what we all need to do to stop this thing and avoid the spread. Listen, if you think that my big fat ass enjoys sweating like a working girl in church in an isolation gown, walking around like Mr Magoo because my glasses are fogged up because of my mask, and wearing goggles that dig into the backs of my ears because I'm "just a sheep," you are mistaken. It's because I don't want this virus and I don't want to take it home to my family and I don't want to infect my co-workers and other patients. We're fired up because we've seen and even performed intubations. We don't intubate for funsies. Outside of the surgical setting, an intubation is basically throwing a Hail Mary to save someone's life. And when the mortality rate once that plastic tube slides between your vocal cords with COVID-19 is 85-89%, yeah, that's terrifying. This virus is dangerous.
Lastly, stop being spoiled children about public health advisories. Stop bitching about wearing a mask when you're in public places. Stop pretending that that is somehow infringing on your rights. Get over yourself. I wish all businesses would grow a pair and refuse service to people who refuse to wear a mask "out of principle. " Police aren't inclined to enforce it and that's fine but, spoiler alert, private businesses have and reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. Don't tell me it's OK for a bakery to refuse service to a gay couple for a wedding cake on religious grounds but not OK for a convenience store to refuse service because they don't want the outbreak monkey strolling through their place coughing all over other patrons and their staff. Stay outside the 6 ft bubble, wear a damn mask, and wash your hands. It's that easy. Stop pretending they're asking for a kidney. It's as much to protect yourself as it is everyone else. People wonder why we have things like stay-at-home orders and closing of non-essential businesses. It's because of you, *******, you're the problem. It's your lack of ability to exercise common sense and your refusal to follow simple, insanely simple advice that forces the government to exercise it for you. And even then, you still thumb your nose at it in all your ignorant glory. Sorry that you feel like they're infringing on your right to be an irresponsible child.
Look, all I'm saying is I get that it's frustrating and I get that it's irritating, and inconvenient and all the other bad things that it is, but please, continue to take this seriously, continue to do the little things that make a big difference. Stop denying facts, science, and the advice from people who have spent a lifetime doing what they do in the medical and research fields to ultimately make everyone's lives healthier, safer, and better.
ScatManDoo
05-28-20, 15:14
This Covid thing in the USA would be playing out just about the same regardless of who was the Figurehead-in-Chief.I don't think it is possible for you to be more wrong about that Golfinho.
I am certain that President Barack Obama would have performed much better in dealing with this viral outbreak (definitely at the beginning). Barack probably would have saved the world if he was still in power.
Obama certainly could have prevented our upcoming "Trump Economic Depression".
Look at this 88 second clip of President Barack Obama from December 2014:
From the snopes website:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...aredness-2014/
Also from the snopes website:
President Barack Obama visited the NIH campus on Dec. 2 to see firsthand the progress that biomedical research is making against Ebola virus disease.
The President toured the NIH Vaccine Research Center and met with scientists who are working hard to develop ways to combat this deadly virus that continues to devastate West Africa. And, in a speech before a packed auditorium at the NIH Clinical Center, the President praised the contributions of NIH staff. He also emphasized the need for emergency Congressional authorization of resources to ensure that the nation's research and public health efforts against Ebola will lead as quickly as possible to an end to this devastating outbreak.
Obama stressed the importance of investing in research for the long term. "If and when a new strain of flu, like the Spanish flu, crops up five years from now or a decade from now, we've made the investment and we're further along to be able to catch it," he said. "It is a smart investment for us to make. It's not just insurance; it is knowing that down the road we're going to continue to have problems like this particularly in a globalized world where you move from one side of the world to the other in a day. ".
A full transcript of Obama's address at the NIH can be viewed here (no link), while the portion excerpted in the video clip seen above read as follows:
President Barack Obama on 12/2/2014: "We can't say we're lucky with Ebola because obviously it's having a devastating effect in West Africa, but it is not airborne in its transmission.
There may and likely will come a time in which we have both an airborne disease that is deadly. And in order for us to deal with that effectively, we have to put in place an infrastructure not just here at home, but globally that allows us to see it quickly, isolate it quickly, respond to it quickly. And it also requires us to continue the same path of basic research that is being done here at NIH that (Dr.) Nancy (Sullivan) is a great example of. So that if and when a new strain of flu, like the Spanish flu, crops up five years from now or a decade from now, we've made the investment and we're further along to be able to catch it. It is a smart investment for us to make. It's not just insurance; it is knowing that down the road we're going to continue to have problems like this particularly in a globalized world where you move from one side of the world to the other in a day."
Our Congress did not pass legislation, and did not provide the $2 billion President Obama was pushing for over 5 years ago.
So we didn't have our people on the ground when this break-out was hitting Wuhan in Hubei province during November or December. Instead we relied on what we were told by the WHO and Chinese Government.
But certainly if we had President Obama at the helm of our ship of state.
He would not have sat on his hands and done nothing in the entire month of February other than repeatedly say that the virus was a hoax.
I don't think it is possible for you to be more wrong about that Golfinho.It's like I said in another thread. Leadership matters. And when you have poor and / or ineffective leadership (United States and Brazil as examples), then you're going to be worse off and more adversely impacted by a crisis like a pandemic.
ScatManDoo
05-28-20, 22:31
It's like I said in another thread. Leadership matters. And when you have poor and / or ineffective leadership (United States and Brazil as examples), then you're going to be worse off and more adversely impacted by a crisis like a pandemic.Exactly.
There is a reason why some countries, like Germany, South Korea & New Zealand have things well under control, with much smaller numbers of infected people & virus deaths.
While the virus is running wild in other countries, like Mexico, Brazil, England and the United States.
Good leadership matters and results with better outcomes than in countries with bad leadership, like our country.
ScatManDoo
05-28-20, 22:55
Obama certainly could have prevented our upcoming "Trump Economic Depression".
Look at this 88 second clip of President Barack Obama from December 2014:
From the snopes website:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...aredness-2014/.Oops.
Here is the correct link to the 88 second video:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-pandemic-preparedness-2014/
It's like I said in another thread. Leadership matters. And when you have poor and / or ineffective leadership (United States and Brazil as examples), then you're going to be worse off and more adversely impacted by a crisis like a pandemic.In the face of Trump's years long dismantling of America's Pandemic Response teams and systems (because Obama supported and helped to build and establish them, of course), Joe Biden tweeted a warning and prediction about this current disaster back in October 2019!
Biden's tweet in 2019 is what leadership looks like. Trumpers scoffed at it, but he was right.
https://crooksandliars.com/2020/05/joe-biden-tweet-october-2019-about
I am certain that President Barack Obama would have performed much better in dealing with this viral outbreak (definitely at the beginning). Barack probably would have saved the world if he was still in power. and done nothing in the entire month of February other than repeatedly say that the virus was a hoax.At the beginning? When was that? We've all been to China — and everywhere else in Asia — where they've been wearing masks for years, years before Obamatime. Viral outbreaks any of which could have escalated to global pandemic and all the Chinese did was strap on masks and keep on churning out their junk while focused on GDP. Look for a root cause to eliminate the next potential outbreak? It was not happening. Preparedness Chinese-style has been mask up and when it's too bad the Party goes heavy-handed.
For this specific covid-19 situation: in the Philippines by mid-January, there were no masks and no hand sanitizer available anywhere. Sold out. Everyone was on alert, taxis were not picking up Chinese, hotels were assuring us they had no Chinese guests (as everyone was asking). Back in the USA near end of January, there were no masks anywhere — pharmacy, medical supply, or construction supply stores. At Wal-Mart I started asking why and was told Chinese came in and bought them all. At Ace Hardware, they told me Chinese had been calling non-stop asking for masks. The Chinese response once the virus reached community transmission stage in the West and the death toll surpassed theirs was: 'your fault for not being prepared. ' Translated that means: you failed to lay in a sufficient supply of masks and your ruling Party didn't run militarized police out to drag the citizenry kicking and screaming into quarantine, while suppressing the scale and scope of the virus and silencing anyone who spoke up.
The only way to prevent the epidemic was to immediately stop flights from China, and quarantine anyone who'the been there. No US administration would have done that. The countries that are being praised for their responses are the countries closest geographically to China. The Koreans know what goes on there, how unhygienic and dirty Chinese are, and knew what to do. The USA was simply inexperienced and naive: 'it can't happen here because it's never happened here mentality.
By the way, the Obama response to Ebola was, you know, a blackman President, outbreak in Africa affecting black people. He was playing politics, in other words an easy stunt that cost little.
CzarNicholas
05-29-20, 19:25
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/499857-how-obama-just-endorsed-donald-trump
ScatManDoo
05-29-20, 20:52
For this specific covid-19 situation: in the Philippines by mid-January, there were no masks and no hand sanitizer available anywhere. Sold out. Everyone was on alert, taxis were not picking up Chinese, hotels were assuring us they had no Chinese guests (as everyone was asking). Back in the USA near end of January, there were no masks anywhere pharmacy, medical supply, or construction supply stores. At Wal-Mart I started asking why and was told Chinese came in and bought them all. At Ace Hardware, they told me Chinese had been calling non-stop asking for masks. The Chinese response once the virus reached community transmission stage in the West and the death toll surpassed theirs was: 'your fault for not being prepared. So your assertion is that Chinese people residing or visiting the United States were the cause of shortages in masks and disinfectant, and not the Trumpster sitting on his hands and calling the virus a hoax during all of February (even longer).
By the way, the Obama response to Ebola was, you know, a blackman President, outbreak in Africa affecting black people. He was playing politics, in other words an easy stunt that cost little.If find the racist tone to your comments offensive.
And I don't agree that President Obama's successful help with Ebola was a stunt. Instead I believe it demonstrates how much better the world have been if Barack Obama was the president during the emergence of the Covid-19 epideminc.
It was not happening. Preparedness Chinese-style has been mask upFrom what I have read, I think that would be a good strategy for the United States and the rest of the world. The Trumpster constantly encourages the opposite, which is just one of many ways he is failing us.
I think it is crazy that the United States is being pushed to reopen when we are experiencing 20,000 new cases every day. To me, 20,000 new cases everyday will lead to about 2,000 daily deaths. By opening up for business too early, when the virus is too widely spread in all 50 states. I believe we may get to over 240,000 deaths in the next 100 days. But by then, the president will be encouraging all schools to reopen so he can get to half a million.
Beijing4987
05-29-20, 21:41
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/499857-how-obama-just-endorsed-donald-trumpNixon looked sinister and his upper lip was sweating. Some say those who only heard the debate on radio thought Nixon had won.
What were the sources of East Coast wealth? Please enlighten me.
If find the racist tone to your comments offensive.For some people, no matter what, it's always all about color. This is not the first time from this poster, and it won't be the last.
The following is a message from an infectious disease physician. I think it expresses the sentiments of all of us physicians at this time:
This has easily been the longest 2 months of my career, and, for that matter, my life. COVID-19 has changed everything. The way we live, the way our kids learn, the way we work. It has trashed the economy, exploded unemployment, and harmed businesses, many of them, sadly, beyond repair. But here's the deal: it's real and it's here and it's still spreading.
As a healthcare worker, I'm exhausted. Physically, mentally, and emotionally. As a manager in the the healthcare industry, it's been one of the longest, most stressful things I've tackled.
First off, the truthers and the conspiracy people and the protesters, you're not helping. The people bitching CONSTANTLY about the governor's or whatever level of government's handling of things, it's not constructive.
Do you want to know why medical people, real medical people, not some crackpot quacks and kooks with a YouTube account or Facebook page, are taking this seriously? Because it's serious. And we're serious people when it comes to people's health and their lives. Yes, it mostly kills at-risk populations (the elderly and those with underlying medical conditions) but it also kills perfectly healthy people with no prior diagnoses and we don't know why. I'm so tired of people acting like there's information that's being cooked up or withheld. You know why there's lots of gaps in the information? Because we're still learning about this virus every day. It's new. It's never been seen.Not sure where you are getting at, but I merely stated facts. Are these facts wrong? Some people deny the facts because the facts can, and have, change and the people who give you the facts, can also be bias. It has happens all the time and has happened throughout history. But once again, are the facts I reported wrong?
"USA is #1 economy in terms of GDP in the world and they #1 military in the world. But here is catch, they are also #1 in healthcare expenditure in the world and their economy is only 2nd behind (Hong Kong - Still belongs to China) in terms the service sector (80% of GDP) and #1 in service sector output or productivity. So, you've found the weakness. If you can't beat the army, then attack the service sector industry with something health related. A second wave or spike would pretty much destroy the USA and plummet us into a depression."
There is no opinion, no perspective, no bias in the above statement. Those are just facts (not even my own) coming from yeah, somebody with an MBA in Global Business and was also a "healthcare worker and administrator at a very high level." And yes, there are skewed numbers when it comes to patients deaths. How do I know? I have myself ordered them changed, government officials have told us, physicians I work with have changed them, and the rest of entire hospital system have all reported chart data according to how we want or the best way to get funding for us to stay in operation. It works the same as when business owners who file their taxes and look for loopholes. We will take advantage of the system when we can to get paid. We do what we have to do and what we can get away with, if not more. I don't know what type of robotic, let me believe what the authorities tell me, world do you live in. But we are corrupt people, living in a corrupt world, you, me, and the rest of the world. This is how it works in hell. And if you don't believe the world is a "living hell," you have to take off those rose colored glasses, and look around. The USA is rioting, burning, and dying as I type. And Hong Kong as well. Chaos. I am so glad I got stuck in Pattaya to avoid all this drama.
Now as for the mask thing, you can blame your own "give me liberty or give me death thing". By the way, I am American, along with passports of other citizenships including Hong Kong. And I will admit, my people in USA have so much ego, that I often confuse it as ignorance and stupidity. Or are they all in one? If you are wondering how to fix it all, how about more empathy and less ego "by all. " By the way, A week ago, I wrote, watch China and Hong Kong and the USA response during this time of crisis. Was I wrong again? No conspiracy, some just can see more than others and have better insight and intuition. Call it wisdom. But sometimes when we try to share this wisdom, it's like telling a small child there is no Santa. They will kick, cry, and whine because they just can't comprehend the truth, so the rest of us need patience.
ScatManDoo
05-30-20, 07:16
I think it is crazy that the United States is being pushed to reopen when we are experiencing 20,000 new cases every day. To me, 20,000 new cases everyday will lead to about 2,000 daily deaths. By opening up for business too early, when the virus is too widely spread in all 50 states. I believe we may get to over 240,000 deaths in the next 100 days. But by then, the president will be encouraging all schools to reopen so he can get to half a million.So I guess I should fix my incorrect math.
Should have written "to me, 20,000 new cases everyday will lead to about 200 daily deaths". But with the opening up, that could peak again into the 2,000 daily deaths rates, as we were experiencing in peaks during April. Especially with all the efforts to hide, manipulate or outright lie about the statistical results as we experience them for the rest of the year.
So your assertion is that Chinese people residing or visiting the United States were the cause...Yes, Chinese wherever they are knew more or less instinctively the implications of viral outbreak and potential severity so they moved quickly to protect themselves. Why? Because they've been living under these conditions probably like forever. Americans and Westerners did think and act this way once upon a time, but had come to believe killer disease had been conquered or controlled. We've all spent enough time in China and surrounding region to have seen them masked everywhere. Now, in China did you mask up as well, and carrying disinfectant, and laid in a stock in your luggage and carry-on? Likely not, because as a Westerner you had no first-hand or collective memory of wet market outbreak or bushmeat infection or bad bat soup.
If you noticed the response of China's neighbors, Vietnam for example sealed their border and banned Chinese in January. Reason being they knew the realities of life Chinese-style. The USA evidently didn't: to them China was merely source of cheap labor, cheap goods, and a place that took dollars. They were blinded to it as a source of pandemic disease. Are you so willfully partisan as to actually believe that Obama (or any other politician of your choice) would have taken the action the Vietnamese did? Trump, like any President at this stage is merely the figurehead-in-chief. As long as money (fortunes for the 1% and corporations) was being made, China was not going to get locked out.
ScatManDoo
05-30-20, 17:48
Yes, Chinese wherever they are knew more or less instinctively the implications of viral outbreak and potential severity so they moved quickly to protect themselves. Why? Because they've been living under these conditions probably like forever. Americans and Westerners did think and act this way once upon a time, but had come to believe killer disease had been conquered or controlled. We've all spent enough time in China and surrounding region to have seen them masked everywhere. Now, in China did you mask up as well, and carrying disinfectant, and laid in a stock in your luggage and carry-on? Likely not, because as a Westerner you had no first-hand or collective memory of wet market outbreak or bushmeat infection or bad bat soup.
If you noticed the response of China's neighbors, Vietnam for example sealed their border and banned Chinese in January. Reason being they knew the realities of life Chinese-style. The USA evidently didn't: to them China was merely source of cheap labor, cheap goods, and a place that took dollars. They were blinded to it as a source of pandemic disease. Are you so willfully partisan as to actually believe that Obama (or any other politician of your choice) would have taken the action the Vietnamese did? Trump, like any President at this stage is merely the figurehead-in-chief. As long as money (fortunes for the 1% and corporations) was being made, China was not going to get locked out.Trump ignored his medical experts, who possessed the knowledge and experience you have outlined.
I believe that President Obama would not have been so cavalier, since he demonstrated that he was listening to his medical experts, and attempting to give funding where these experts recommended. Republicans shot down that $2 billion bill that President Obama was supporting back in 2014.
I guess you didn't have time to view the 88-second snippet I provided a link to:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-pandemic-preparedness-2014/
ScatManDoo
05-30-20, 17:58
"USA is #1 economy in terms of GDP in the world and they #1 military in the world. But here is catch, they are also #1 in healthcare expenditure in the world and their economy is only 2nd behind (Hong Kong - Still belongs to China) in terms the service sector (80% of GDP) and #1 in service sector output or productivity. So, you've found the weakness. If you can't beat the army, then attack the service sector industry with something health related. A second wave or spike would pretty much destroy the USA and plummet us into a depression."Am I misunderstanding what you have written?
Are you asserting that the service sector in Hong Kong is the biggest? That HK's service sector is bigger than the service sector of the United States, which comes in at #2?
Your "facts" seem to be false facts.
There is no opinion, no perspective, no bias in the above statement. Those are just facts (not even my own) coming from yeah, somebody with an MBA in Global Business and was also a "healthcare worker and administrator at a very high level." And yes, there are skewed numbers when it comes to patients deaths. How do I know? I have myself ordered them changed, government officials have told us, physicians I work with have changed them, and the rest of entire hospital system have all reported chart data according to how we want or the best way to get funding for us to stay in operation. Please give us the details of your fraud upon us taxpayers.
What lie did you give? What statistic did you give, or false information you propagated while performing tasks in your official capacity? Only you can educate us on what lies you told for pay in your official capacity.
Am I misunderstanding what you have written?
Are you asserting that the service sector in Hong Kong is the biggest? That HK's service sector is bigger than the service sector of the United States, which comes in at #2?
Your "facts" seem to be false facts.
Please give us the details of your fraud upon us taxpayers.
What lie did you give? What statistic did you give, or false information you propagated while performing tasks in your official capacity? Only you can educate us on what lies you told for pay in your official capacity.Of course you are "misunderstanding," why didn't you just Google the numbers? Don't be lazy. Did you not see that I reported USA's service sector 80% of GDP, while HK is higher? Probably in the 90%'s. That would make the HK higher in terms of % of GDP, right amongst major countries or previous major autonomous recognized entities. I'm not a math genius but I'm pretty sure 90% is greater than 80%. I could be wrong. And also didn't I say the USA is #1 in service sector productivity? So that means they are #1 in service sector in terms of revenue. Because you obviously can't compare "largest" by counting number of employees or businesses because population varies from country to country. So really quit trying to get people to argue with you because you are bored and lonely. And if you don't know by know most data reported and history is all biased, then you keep living in whatever lala land reality that makes you happy. But you seem so unhappy. By the way, mix in a review now and then or share some info on girls and sex instead of whining and complaining and arguing all the time. Geez, go look at your own post history. You seem stressed out, go out and have some sex and tell us about it.
ScatManDoo
05-31-20, 15:00
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ScatManDoo
05-31-20, 15:40
History is going to show me as being incorrect in my assertions (made between 2002 and 2016) that George W. Bush was America's worst President.
History is going to show me as being incorrect in my assertions (made between 2002 and 2016) that George W. Bush was America's worst President.Jimmy Carter was not the worst, but he was pretty bad when you sum it all up, IMHO. But the guy we got now takes the cake.
Regardless of one's political leanings, at this very moment in time, in the eyes of the entire world America is divided and weak!
Jimmy Carter was not the worst, but he was pretty bad when you sum it all up, IMHO. But the guy we got now takes the cake.Carter's average annual jobs creation record is among the best of any president. Better than Reagan's. Well, better than any Republican's actually. But not as good as Clinton's. About on par with LBJ's. Not bad for the president who took over after "our long national nightmare." And he achieved that by only modestly increasing the national debt about as normally as it was ever done post WWII. Unlike Reagan, the next president, who presided over less of an average annual jobs gain while skyrocketing the national debt to do it.
Carter was the only Democrat since the immediate post WWII years that was in office during the creation of a recession. However, it was not your ordinary recession. First of all, it was intentionally induced by Carter's Fed Chairman Paul Volker in order to cool down an over-heated economy that was producing many more jobs than there were applicants to take them, triggering wage inflation. It was not the result of a lousy economic policy. Almost the opposite of that. Volker's mission was to tame inflation, which he accomplished. He did that by raising Fed Funds rates dramatically in late 1979 and into early 1980, which naturally produced the planned controlled recession, establishing a somewhat steady decline in interest rates going forward.
But it almost didn't even qualify as a recession by its classic definition of two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth. That second (consecutive) quarter was only down -0.7%, not even one percentage point. So by that second quarter in mid 1980 we were already recovering from that purposely induced mini recession, the shortest one since records have been kept for such things. Possibly, if one more car had been sold at one car dealership in each state during that second consecutive quarter it might not have even qualified as a recession.
By the 4th quarter of 1980, GDP growth had recovered to +7.5%. The following quarter saw +8.5% GDP growth with no change in policy from the Carter years. However, as soon as major policy changes were made under Reagan by late 1981/early 1982, we plunged into what is now the 3rd or 4th worst economic downturn of the past 100 years or so.
Oh, btw, Carter was the president that insisted that Congress change the 401K rules so the rank and file employees of a company could enjoy that rather miraculous tax advantaged retirement investment opportunity rather than allowing it to be the exclusive offering to the top execs in the company. And he cut the Capital Gains Tax by a greater percentage than just about any other president too boot, from 39% to about 28%. Anybody have a fairly secure retirement due to the tax advantaged miracle of their 401K account even though they were not ta top level exec in their company can thank Carter for that. I am one of those people.
Beijing4987
06-01-20, 17:23
Dr. Cornel West: "What we are witnessing is America as a failed social experiment" why not judge or score presidents by the level of corruption. Carter got payback because of the evil done to Iran by the CIA fomenting a coup and installing the puppet "Peacock throne" of the Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. His sister, Fatimeh Pahlavi, was smarter. Ronald Reagan was down a rabbit hole of Alzheimer's, continuing the be movie role. He made movies starting a chimpanzee, and in a western on TV. Big Ron. The lobbyists were counting their loot, from the man with the dyed hair wearing a Teflon suit.
Can we judge presidents by what they did in retirement?
GeneHickman
06-01-20, 17:30
Dr. Cornel West: "What we are witnessing is America as a failed social experiment" why not judge or score presidents by the level of corruption. Carter got payback because of the evil done to Iran by the CIA fomenting a coup and installing the puppet "Peacock throne" of the Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. His sister, Fatimeh Pahlavi, was smarter. Ronald Reagan was down a rabbit hole of Alzheimer's, continuing the be movie role. He made movies starting a chimpanzee, and in a western on TV. Big Ron. The lobbyists were counting their loot, from the man with the dyed hair wearing a Teflon suit.
Can we judge presidents by what they did in retirement?Who is Cornel West, and why does he have any legitimacy beyond that of a barking dog? Sorry but these morons taking things to a ridiculous extent. Blacks in america need to look into their own cultural failings too.
Man, won't you guys and all the ding dong dumbocrats be surprised when President Trump gets re-elected for a second term! After all, look at his competition: I am surprised that Joe Biden even knows his own name! Let the flame wars begin! Hahahahaha Your idiotic comments won't mean a thing when the votes are counted! Cheers! Go get laid and let the Republicans reconstruct what Obummer & Clintons have so cleverly FUBAR (Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition).
Dr. Cornel West: "What we are witnessing is America as a failed social experiment" why not judge or score presidents by the level of corruption. Carter got payback because of the evil done to Iran by the CIA fomenting a coup and installing the puppet "Peacock throne" of the Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. His sister, Fatimeh Pahlavi, was smarter. Ronald Reagan was down a rabbit hole of Alzheimer's, continuing the be movie role. He made movies starting a chimpanzee, and in a western on TV. Big Ron. The lobbyists were counting their loot, from the man with the dyed hair wearing a Teflon suit.
Can we judge presidents by what they did in retirement?I'm not a big fan of Cornel West, but I think he got the "Carter got payback" thing right. Then Carter handled the return of the hostages about as well as it could be done, imo. Handling it like a statesman instead of a gunslinger with other people's blood and his appointment of the great Fed Chairman Paul Volker, knowing full well what he would do to tame hyper-inflation triggered by rising wages and how jacking up Fed Funds/Interest rates during an election year would damage him politically was a "no win" situation for him. He could have played all of it the reckless populist way and might have won a second term. But it would not have been better for the country for him to have been so reckless and self-serving.
Carter's big problem as a president was he was a stiff, not fun and entertaining. Reagan was entertaining. I even voted for Reagan in 1980 because he was entertaining. Of course, I was young and dumb. And not paying much attention to things like average job gains, GDP growth rates, budgets, etc. in those days. I thought it didn't matter who was president. LOL. That's dumb.
I also think West takes a cheap shot at Reagan with the actor stuff (if all of that is a quote from West). And in so doing, he misses an opportunity to say something more important about him. The damage Reagan did wasn't because he was suffering from early stage Alzheimer's Disease. It was his policy results, not his mental state. He was perfectly lucid when he promoted and enacted the same favorite failed Republican Supply-Side/Trickle-Down economic policies they have been promoting and enacting whenever they get the chance going all the way back to the mid-1920's. And triggering massive economic downturns and dangerously widening the income gap virtually every time they get their way on it.
As a Republican, Reagan would have promoted and enacted that favorite Republican agenda whether he was capable of completing every Einstein calculation by memory or thought his wife was a tree stump.
Beijing4987
06-01-20, 18:12
Who is Cornel West, and why does he have any legitimacy beyond that of a barking dog? Sorry but these morons taking things to a ridiculous extent. Blacks in america need to look into their own cultural failings too.Who are you? You are denying the legacy of slavery. Can't you be al least a bit more subtle? Check our Professor Cornel West, an able spokesman about the state of politics in the USA. He is more legitimate than a troll on a site for sex tourism.
Oh, btw, Carter was the president that insisted that Congress change the 401K rules so the rank and file employees of a company could enjoy that rather miraculous tax advantaged retirement investment opportunity rather than allowing it to be the exclusive offering to the top execs in the companyI thank President Carter for that too. Buy oh BTW, I see you didn't say too much about his foreign policy, indeed nothing at all! Wasn't he the same American president who toasted Iran as "an island of stability", and then found himself (and America) being humiliated by the Ayatollah, to include his disastrous, ill-fated rescue attempt? Not to mention the bad decision to allow the Shah to enter the USA, which directly contributed to the seizure of an American diplomatic post. And isn't he the the same American president who insisted on lecturing the most vociferously to the rest of the world about "human rights", when in fact, the USA itself had (and still has) an atrocious and disgraceful record in that regard, right up to this very moment as you read this? Look at your own country you hypocrite they said, and they were right.
I could go on, but let me turn to domestic policy. That was a good chuckle reading about how the creation of the recession wasn't his fault, and in fact, wasn't even a recession at all! Nice try! Tell that to the American people who spent an eternity waiting in lines to get gas for their cars. Quite expensive gas too if you could even find it. Try telling that to Americans who listened to his pathetic speech advising them to turn their thermostats down to 68 degrees, in what they believed (rightly or wrongly) should be the land of plenty. You note that Volker was Carter's Fed Chairman, but then in the next breath seem to think that Carter can somehow be disassociated from what Volker did. As you say, Volker was his Fed Chairman! So he Jimmy Carter had to bear the full responsibility for intentionally making a "not lousy economy lousy" LOL! He was another outsider who came to Washington not wanting to learn how to get things done, he alienated people on both the left and the right (including Tip O'Neill who should have been an ally), and was mostly ineffectual and weak (including with his zero-based budgeting scheme). He ultimately failed on both the domestic and the foreign policy fronts.
Now, I'm not here to argue with you, and will say no more on the subject, other than this. The American people resoundingly agreed with me that Carter had to go after four years, and that he was not what America needed in order to succeed into the future. In the end, that's all that mattered. He lost to Ronald Reagan in an embarrassing, lopsided whipping of 489 electoral votes to just 49 for Carter. The domestic "misery index", among other things (like calling for human rights on the one hand, while tying himself to a despot like the Shah on the other), did him in. Jimmy Carter is a very nice and decent man, who most would agree has made his best and finest contributions to society after his one and only (failed) term in the White House.
If Trump wins reelection after the deep hole he has dug for himself; he will be the greatest comeback winner ever or maybe Joe will be known as a bigger choke artist than Hillary. The election is Joe's to lose now with so much turmoil in America and Trump's own party turning against him, how can Joe lose? Pick the winner and place your bets.
I thank President Carter for that too. Buy oh BTW, I see you didn't say too much about his foreign policy, indeed nothing at all! Wasn't he the same American president who toasted Iran as "an island of stability", and then found himself (and America) being humiliated by the Ayatollah, to include his disastrous, ill-fated rescue attempt? Not to mention the bad decision to allow the Shah to enter the USA, which directly contributed to the seizure of an American diplomatic post. And isn't he the the same American president who insisted on lecturing the most vociferously to the rest of the world about "human rights", when in fact, the USA itself had (and still has) an atrocious and disgraceful record in that regard, right up to this very moment as you read this? Look at your own country you hypocrite they said, and they were right.
I could go on, but let me turn to domestic policy. That was a good chuckle reading about how the creation of the recession wasn't his fault, and in fact, wasn't even a recession at all! Nice try! Tell that to the American people who spent an eternity waiting in lines to get gas for their cars. Quite expensive gas too if you could even find it. Try telling that to Americans who listened to his pathetic speech advising them to turn their thermostats down to 68 degrees, in what they believed (rightly or wrongly) should be the land of plenty. You note that Volker was Carter's Fed Chairman, but then in the next breath seem to think that Carter can somehow be disassociated from what Volker did. As you say, Volker was his Fed Chairman! So he Jimmy Carter had to bear the full responsibility for intentionally making a "not lousy economy lousy" LOL! He was another outsider who came to Washington not wanting to learn how to get things done, he alienated people on both the left and the right (including Tip O'Neill who should have been an ally), and was mostly ineffectual and weak (including with his zero-based budgeting scheme). He ultimately failed on both the domestic and the foreign policy fronts.
Now, I'm not here to argue with you, and will say no more on the subject, other than this. The American people resoundingly agreed with me that Carter had to go after four years, and that he was not what America needed in order to succeed into the future. In the end, that's all that mattered. He lost to Ronald Reagan in an embarrassing, lopsided whipping of 489 electoral votes to just 49 for Carter. The domestic "misery index", among other things (like calling for human rights on the one hand, while tying himself to a despot like the Shah on the other), did him in. Jimmy Carter is a very nice and decent man, who most would agree has made his best and finest contributions to society after his one and only (failed) term in the White House.I didn't mention Carter's foreign policy because I was citing reasons why he could not possibly be the "worst president of all time", which is what people wanting to elevate Reagan's disastrous foreign policy record and even worse economic record had been saying until Obama came along. Then Obama became their new standard of "worst." Every Dem that comes immediately after or before a particularly disastrous Republican presidency record of results is always characterized as "the worst president of all time" by Republicans. FDR was the favorite demon for Republicans for decades. Still is in many ways. In Carter's case, one could argue he came into it after AND before a particularly disastrous presidency that required a ton of excuses and flimsy justifications to elevate or distract from their results.
We can't cite everything in every post or they'll be even longer than they are already. LOL. But I also notice you didn't mention the Camp David Accords that Carter brokered. That was foreign policy, too. A helicopter crashed during a rescue attempt and you cite that as a Carter foreign policy disaster? Really?
The Arab Oil Embargo and subsequent gas lines and skyrocketing prices were already happening by 1973/1974, before Carter was elected.
If you concluded that I meant for Carter to be disassociated from his great Fed Chairman Volker and his methods for taming hyper-inflation, then I really failed to convey my point. I meant to assert that Carter knew exactly what Volker would do to solve that problem, that he went through 2-3 other Fed Chairmen until he got the one he knew would conduct the difficult but necessary solution for it and that Carter expected him to do the right thing to solve the problem DESPITE his full awareness that his doing so during an election year would very likely produce the second term loss you rightly pointed out he got.
I also only said the recession that began during his presidency was the briefest one on record and almost did not even qualify as one by the classic definition, not that it "in fact, wasn't even a recession at all!" So I am glad you got a good chuckle out of something that popped into your mind. But it wasn't from anything you read in my post.
Finally, the fact that he alienated or annoyed both Democrats and Republicans in Congress doesn't disturb me at all. I'm not even sure why that isn't a factor for all the "Bothsiders" out there (and I am definitely not one) to consider him one of the best presidents of all time.
If Trump wins reelection after the deep hole he has dug for himself; he will be the greatest comeback winner ever or maybe Joe will be known as a bigger choke artist than Hillary. The election is Joe's to lose now with so much turmoil in America and Trump's own party turning against him, how can Joe lose? Pick the winner and place your bets.Biden is like Jimmy Carter 2. 0.
The guy is a buffoon and is / was Obama's valet. The white uncle tom. You already know what this guy is going to cater to and do. It is so predictable.
The result will be a lopsidedness in the other direction. More money and taxes will leave the country and you will have more of the same negativity yet no more white knights on dark horses to set you free.
Bottom line is shit is fucked up unless we find a very hip president with a knack for international relations and economic affairs.
Bottom line is shit is fucked up unless we find a very hip president with a knack for international relations and economic affairs.Like who, Dwayne The Rock Johnson, John Cena, Mark Cuban? The country needs someone who will inspire people to go out and vote and these two out of touch geezers we have running are just not going to do that.
Who are you? You are denying the legacy of slavery. Can't you be al least a bit more subtle? Check our Professor Cornel West, an able spokesman about the state of politics in the USA. He is more legitimate than a troll on a site for sex tourism.Racism is a legacy of evolution. It's not going away no how much social engineering seeks to 'accomplish'. Humans will be run by AI before so-called racism disappears. Why not simply try to improve peoples' manners. That's something we could all appreciate.
BTW, having witnessed Cornel West prancing around Princeton for years in his ridiculous costume no doubt believing he's a latter-day W. E. b. Dubois, it is impossible to take the man seriously. What we found really too funny was a letter from West that our premier banker (a man with a sense of humor) had framed and hanging prominently on his office wall. Meant from West as compliment to the bank staff, it began: "In all my years of banking. " What prompted the letter? We were informed that Dr. West kept bouncing checks and expected personal service in balancing his checkbook.
Pahllus Maximus
06-02-20, 03:22
US is in dire trouble, the reserve currency is what worries me, because when it goes we will face collapse.
The candidates are both very poor. The root issue is monetization of the government by companies. Normal people do not get a seat at the table.
As for emptying the swamp, Mr Trump seems to have added new and more ugly rapacious species. At least they are in plain sight and not camouflaged. But that is hardly the point.
GeneHickman
06-02-20, 04:40
Man, won't you guys and all the ding dong dumbocrats be surprised when President Trump gets re-elected for a second term! After all, look at his competition: I am surprised that Joe Biden even knows his own name! Let the flame wars begin! Hahahahaha Your idiotic comments won't mean a thing when the votes are counted! Cheers! Go get laid and let the Republicans reconstruct what Obummer & Clintons have so cleverly FUBAR (Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition).Let's get real though. Truth is truth, and Dubbya did his share of FUBAR too. Just sayin.
GeneHickman
06-02-20, 04:51
Who are you? You are denying the legacy of slavery. Can't you be al least a bit more subtle? Check our Professor Cornel West, an able spokesman about the state of politics in the USA. He is more legitimate than a troll on a site for sex tourism.Look dude you don't know me and likewise. So no need for the personal attacks.
Cornel west is a nobody in American politics. If you don't know that you aren't aware of much.
Slavery was of course an injustice, but 50 yrs after MLK and significant systemic reforms, all African Americans seem to want to do is fight.
Where is the sense of purpose, where is the desire to show everyone that they are worthy of respect. Where is the culture?
Very few and far between. All the black community leaders I see keep screwing the community by blaming others and not for one second looking at the deep rooted cultural flaws as well.
I mean this genuinely. Black America will get nowhere with this approach.
US is in dire trouble, the reserve currency is what worries me, because when it goes we will face collapse.
The candidates are both very poor. The root issue is monetization of the government by companies. Normal people do not get a seat at the table.
As for emptying the swamp, Mr Trump seems to have added new and more ugly rapacious species. At least they are in plain sight and not camouflaged. But that is hardly the point.
I wished it was that simple. Unless you are an economics guru... SNIP. The world has its eyes on the USA and Sweden right now because of their approach. If they fail, all hell breaks loose. I think you guys know why. It's the domino effect and the result of our interdependence on each other in this world. The Bretton Woods Agreement and the mighty US Dollar. If I was some of these other countries right now, I would send my best and my brightest or as much as possible to help out the USA from failing. SNIP.That Brentwood Agreement and US Reserve. We think alike. But I'm still just a kid.
Look dude you don't know me and likewise. So no need for the personal attacks. Where is the sense of purpose, where is the desire to show everyone that they are worthy of respect. Where is the culture?Some people have a penchant for asking them. To find out the answer to yours, go here: https://nmaahc.si.edu/. Go early at opening and plan to stay late, because there is an awful lot to see!
Beijing4987
06-02-20, 08:10
Look dude you don't know me and likewise. So no need for the personal attacks.
Cornel west is a nobody in American politics. If you don't know that you aren't aware of much.
Slavery was of course an injustice, but 50 yrs after MLK and significant systemic reforms, all African Americans seem to want to do is fight.
Where is the sense of purpose, where is the desire to show everyone that they are worthy of respect. Where is the culture?
Very few and far between. All the black community leaders I see keep screwing the community by blaming others and not for one second looking at the deep rooted cultural flaws as well.
I mean this genuinely. Black America will get nowhere with this approach.
George Floyd's death was an injustice. Two medical examiners ruled it a homicide. Are you saying that the black community should shut up about this and thus get respect?
"America always wins" No deep rooted flaws in American culture. No sir! "can't we all just get along?
I look at Dcups comments very disrespectful. The problem here is white America thinks we should not be angry, but we can go back years and show how this country has not honored that all men are created equal creed. Let's start with after world War 11 with the GI bill. Where the government for award of service provided low cost mortgage loans to veterans. The problem was black veterans were denied those mortgage loans and look at Long Island it was written that blacks were not allow to buy houses there even with the GI bill. We can talk about reclining that decimated the black community, bit we will. Leave that for another time.
Let's take my family. My father fought in the Korean War in the last black all infantry regiment, who had to fight their way back into South Korea when his regiment was overrun.
By Chinese troops in North Korea with his unit sustaining a 70% casualty rate. He was shot numerous times and some how made it back. You know what his reward was to make sure he got off the sidewalk when a white person was walking on the side walk even in uniform outside Fort Bennin Georgia. Now Dcups will seriously ask why are we angry. How about my mother who was the first black to graduate from her nursing school and was the top her class. I mean no. 1 and she did not get a job right away. The only reason why she got a job was because so many black oldiers were injured coming back from the Vietnam War. If you know anything about that war blacks took the brunt of the casualties early on in that war. But, Dcups thinks we should not be angry. Now when when my parents decided to buy a house outside of Boston a petition was started to prevent them from buying a house. Yes, honest hard working Americans, the one difference they were black. It took my mother going to the Boston Globe and her story being published that it was ordered that the realtor sell her that home. They have never asked to be treated better just the same.
Fast forward, to me I have done very well in life yet I have been pulled over 30 times by police with guns drawn being called the and-word wondering if I will live through the traffic stop in question. Fortunately, my last one I just won a 7 figure settlement because I got arrested driving a nice car and I have the money to hire the best attorneys and caught them in lie when they wrote there police report. No different on the lie they wrote in the George Floyd police report.
Now maybe you understand why I am angry and I come on here and will not tolerate racists comments, but for that the moderator now reads all my comments before I post. The one thing I will always do is keep it real on here. Call me angry, but I have my reasons.
With respect to Trump. I do not know if he will win, but the demographics are changing so it will. Not be long now before change happens. By the way, Georgia and Arizona are polling close, who would ever think that he will need to shore up Texas so do not be confident that he will be reelected. Just look at that black vote it came out pre Obama numbers with Hilary, she would have won PA, MI and Wisconsin. Now, Dcups if you think the black vote is not coming out for this election you will be sadly mistaken. I guess we might be a little angry.
GeneHickman
06-02-20, 12:44
George Floyd's death was an injustice. Two medical examiners ruled it a homicide. Are you saying that the black community should shut up about this and thus get respect?
"America always wins" No deep rooted flaws in American culture. No sir! "can't we all just get along?Who said blacks should shut up? Protest non violently and peacefully. But this vandalism and looting and shit only reinforces stereotypes.
I am also saying the best way to gain the respect of others is to deserve it in the first place. That is how the movements of Gandhi and MlK won people over.
Cornel west is a nobody in American politics. If you don't know that you aren't aware of much.
.So who is a somebody in American politics to you? For a nobody (according to you) Cornel West sure gets plenty of invites to political shows and events because they value his opinion. He is a frequent guest on Fox News and was actually on the network two days ago. You may not agree with his liberalism but this is akin to saying Rush Limbaugh is nobody in American politics when he clearly is regardless of his far right views. Put your bias aside and go read up on West as you aren't aware of much to make a statement like you did.
GeneHickman
06-02-20, 16:13
So who is a somebody in American politics to you? For a nobody (according to you) Cornel West sure gets plenty of invites to political shows and events because they value his opinion. He is a frequent guest on Fox News and was actually on the network two days ago. You may not agree with his liberalism but this is akin to saying Rush Limbaugh is nobody in American politics when he clearly is regardless of his far right views. Put your bias aside and go read up on West as you aren't aware of much to make a statement like you did.Limbaugh has a following / listenership of millions. Cornel west is liberal university professor, who is thus invited to be a talking head on TV to represent a point of view. There is a difference.
Limbaugh has a following / listenership of millions. Cornel west is liberal university professor, who is thus invited to be a talking head on TV to represent a point of view. There is a difference. West is much more than a professor but just as I thought you are just uninformed. West does have a huge following with all his many best selling books, movie roles and paid appearances although how just having a following makes you a somebody in USA politics makes no sense.
"When it gets down to having to use violence, then you are playing the system's game. The establishment will irritate you—pull your beard, flick your face—to make you fight. Because once they've got you violent, then they know how to handle you. "
—John Lennon.
Brace yourselves.
There is something being concocted in the dens of power, far beyond the public eye, and it doesn't bode well for the future of this country.
Anytime you have an entire nation so mesmerized by political theater and public spectacle that they are oblivious to all else, you'd better beware.
Anytime you have a government that operates in the shadows, speaks in a language of force, and rules by fiat, you'd better beware.
And anytime you have a government so far removed from its people as to ensure that they are never seen, heard or heeded by those elected to represent them, you'the better beware.
What is unfolding before us is not a revolution.
The looting, the burning, the rioting, the violence: this is an anti-revolution.
The protesters are playing right into the government's hands, because the powers-that-be want this. They want an excuse to lockdown the nation and throw the switch to all-out martial law. They want a reason to make the police state stronger.
Interesting post from another forum:
Originally Posted by Cadsuper55 View Post.
The white supremacist cop hated George because he got a lot of white women while working at the club. He was intimidated and felt inferior because George was a big black man white women loved. This was his chance to prove a point. Now hes on suicide watch and caused the biggest revolution in world history. I'm sure there will be hundreds of new laws but the UN AFRICAN UNION AND EU finally condemning white supremacy in America will be the biggest nail in the coffin. American white supremacy had to end at some point and with whites being minorities in 10 to 15 years this just sped the process up. The UN should've been stepped in. END
Seems like 2 Alpha Males working security at the same bar. Lots of competition prior to this event. One of the guys becomes a cop and low and behold he gets called to his old job site where his competitor is still working. Low self esteem mixed with onlookers causes a ruckus and cops want to show who is boss.
Skin color or fragile egos cause disturbance? I go with fragile egos and competition over skin color anyway. That is way more threatening than skin color could ever be.
Interesting post from another forum:
Originally Posted by Cadsuper55 View Post.
The white supremacist cop hated George because he got a lot of white women while working at the club. He was intimidated and felt inferior because George was a big black man white women loved. This was his chance to prove a point. Now hes on suicide watch and caused the biggest revolution in world history. I'm sure there will be hundreds of new laws but the UN AFRICAN UNION AND EU finally condemning white supremacy in America will be the biggest nail in the coffin. American white supremacy had to end at some point and with whites being minorities in 10 to 15 years this just sped the process up. The UN should've been stepped in. END
Seems like 2 Alpha Males working security at the same bar. Lots of competition prior to this event. One of the guys becomes a cop and low and behold he gets called to his old job site where his competitor is still working. Low self esteem mixed with onlookers causes a ruckus and cops want to show who is boss.
Skin color or fragile egos cause disturbance? I go with fragile egos and competition over skin color anyway. That is way more threatening than skin color could ever be.Who wrote that? Christopher Steele? The refs have been called in and they are saying it's bull honkey!
Who wrote that? Christopher Steele? The refs have been called in and they are saying it's bull honkey!Eh, you probably don't want to use that word.
The Game: How the 1% control the other 99%, while becoming rich and powerful.
1. Make them "want" needless things.
2. Make them work long, hard for these needless things. (Be careful about the successful entrepreneurs because they are catching on to the game).
3. Mask 1 & 2 by calling it a "booming economy."
So when the looting happens with needless things. It's okay. They will eventually pay it all back with more work, longer, and harder. All the 1% have to do is go back to #1. Make them want "new" needless things or raise the price on them. Good examples are bottled water in the USA or that "new" designer purse or that "older" antique watch. Now you know the meaning in "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. " The devil will make you work.
Eh, you probably don't want to use that word.Oh geeze, here we go. We got one of those word litigators up in here.
The Game: How the 1% control the other 99%, while becoming rich and powerful.
1. Make them "want" needless things.
2. Make them work long, hard for these needless things. (Be careful about the successful entrepreneurs because they are catching on to the game).
3. Mask 1 & 2 by calling it a "booming economy."
So when the looting happens with needless things. It's okay. They will eventually pay it all back with more work, longer, and harder. All the 1% have to do is go back to #1. Make them want "new" needless things or raise the price on them. Good examples are bottled water in the USA or that "new" designer purse or that "older" antique watch. Now you know the meaning in "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. " The devil will make you work.This is hysterical.
You obviously don't have a dime in your purse nor have you met a 1% 'er so how would you know how things operate? It is ignorance like this which engenders the rise of hate which is EXACTLY what people are protesting about.
I will agree though that poverty breeds anger, hate, and YES racism, even cannibalistic urges to harm your own kind ie. black on black crime but if you think you are YOU simply because a 1% type class exists then public education failed you miserably.
The 1% help you to wipe your ass and put food in your mouth in more ways than you can imagine. Whether for tax benefits or just pure ego bliss IT STILL GETS TO THOSE WHO NEED IT. Philanthropists contribute a huge amount of money to human causes that would otherwise never have the ability to operate.
But then again these days Chem trails, George Orwell, Illumanati, and Narcissism dominate more than common sense.
ScatManDoo
06-05-20, 06:47
The Game: How the 1% control the other 99%, while becoming rich and powerful.
1. Make them "want" needless things.
2. Make them work long, hard for these needless things. (Be careful about the successful entrepreneurs because they are catching on to the game).
3. Mask 1 & 2 by calling it a "booming economy."
So when the looting happens with needless things. It's okay. They will eventually pay it all back with more work, longer, and harder. All the 1% have to do is go back to #1. Make them want "new" needless things or raise the price on them. Good examples are bottled water in the USA or that "new" designer purse or that "older" antique watch. Now you know the meaning in "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. " The devil will make you work.Hahahaha.
And you claim to be a medical field executive with a non-medical advanced degree?
Hahahaha.
There is no opinion, no perspective, no bias in the above statement. Those are just facts (not even my own) coming from yeah, somebody with an MBA in Global Business and was also a "healthcare worker and administrator at a very high level." And yes, there are skewed numbers when it comes to patients deaths. How do I know? I have myself ordered them changed, government officials have told us, physicians I work with have changed them, and the rest of entire hospital system have all reported chart data according to how we want or the best way to get funding for us to stay in operation. It works the same as when business owners who file their taxes and look for loopholes. We will take advantage of the system when we can to get paid. We do what we have to do and what we can get away with, if not more.
Midwestern
06-07-20, 02:22
I am against racism and I support protests. However, if these protests cause a 2nd wave of COVID19, which then causes another shutdown and causes the USA Markets to crash again, then I may lose my mind.
I am against racism and I support protests. However, if these protests cause a 2nd wave of COVID19, which then causes another shutdown and causes the USA Markets to crash again, then I may lose my mind.I don't support these protests unless social distancing and masks are used. When the looting starts, bring in the National Guard and stop it. Does anybody know if prostitution is legal in Chaz?
Then why would you clicking on and read through an opinion thread titled "American Politics"?
You must be a very 'special' thinking person.That's a pretty lazy response. Can you not do any better?
ScatManDoo
06-14-20, 16:46
That's a pretty lazy response. Can you not do any better?On May 18th, in this thread, Crypton wrote this:
I am sorry. But this is the worst idea ever for a forum on a mongering site. I come here to get away from "American Politics" and enjoy, albeit vicariously, other peoples adventures in this time of containment. Read the first page. Carry on! .So on May 18th I replied with this:
If you don't want to read this material.
Then read the other threads and don't read this one.There are over 1,600 other threads on this website. Why don't you instead read those threads? It's been more than five months since you contributed any other writings on this website other than these two posts above.
You think I'm lazy, and want a better response? How about this one:
Then why would you continue to click on and read through an opinion thread titled "American Politics"?
ScatManDoo
07-23-20, 23:42
It took 99 days from the first diagnosed case of coronavirus until the United States had confirmed one million cases.
It was only 43 more days for another million cases, which got the confirmed cases number up to two million.
The three million case count was reached in another 28 days.
And just 15 days was needed to get to four million, today.
If the number of confirmed cases in the states continue to double every 43 days, we will get to eight million confirmed cases by September 3rd (just before labor day weekend).
And 16 million by mid-October.
And maybe greater than 20 million confirmed infected Americans by election day, Tuesday, November 3rd?
Probably not when mask use increases. Currently we have masks required when in public in 31 states.
ScatManDoo
07-26-20, 01:02
Once one of the most popular governors in the country, Ron DeSantis is losing his standing among Florida voters as the state's coronavirus outbreak reaches new, alarming levels.
DeSantis, among several Republican governors who pushed in May to quickly reopen their states from pandemic-driven lockdowns, has seen his approval rating dip as Florida experiences one of the worst outbreaks in the country. On Thursday, as the Florida Department of Health reported a state record 173 COVID-19 deaths, a new poll released by Quinnipiac University put DeSantis' favorability rating at a new low, with 41% of voters approving of his job performance and 52% disapproving.
The numbers reflect a 31-point drop in DeSantis' approval rating from a poll the university conducted in late April.
The coronavirus is beating down the black community, the brown community, and the stupid, cowardly, largest portion of the republican party.
ScatManDoo
07-30-20, 23:25
Herman Cain was diagnosed with COVID-19 on June 29,2020 and admitted to an Atlanta-area hospital on July 1. His staff on July 2 said that he was "awake and alert. " Four weeks later, he was still hospitalized and being treated with oxygen. Cain died of complications of COVID-19 on July 30,2020.
Cain had attended a Trump rally in Tulsa on June 20 without wearing a mask or socially distancing. On the day he was hospitalized, Cain praised South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem for not requiring masks at an upcoming Trump campaign event, tweeting "Masks will not be mandatory for the event, which will be attended by President Trump. People are fed up!
Instead of being 'fed up', Herman now is likely just 'iced up' in some morgue in Atlanta.
ScatManDoo
08-02-20, 18:29
Yesterday the Republican controlled Senate recessed without passing any covid relief legislation.
Unemployed people in California will not get the extra $600 on top of their weekly state unemployment benefits.
I was on unemployment one summer in 1983 or 1984 back when California's maximum UI benefit was IIRC $451 a week.
My understanding is that California's UI top benefit today is close to what it was 37 years ago when I received it for around two or three months when I was in my 20's.
Back on May 15th the Democratic controlled House of Representatives passed the Heroes Act that would have provided the extended Covid relief that the Senate could not get their act together for this week, before adjourning.
Senate leader Mitch McConnell would not allow the Heroes Act to come up for a vote or even discussion in the Senate.
Yesterday Mitch McConnell said that between 15 to 20 senate Republicans would not vote for and coronavirus relief bill.
Senate leader Mitch McConnell essentially refused to allow 48 Democrats and around 35 Republicans see if 51 of them could agree to prevent unnecessary hardship to fall on 32 million Americans currently collecting unemployment.
Are you cognitively there like Donald Trump? Here is a sample of the test he took and said he aced, do not take more than a minute to complete this test.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42717163.
ScatManDoo
08-08-20, 04:51
The US government has issued a travel warning for New Zealand over the country's '23 active cases' of COVID-19, despite the fact there are more than 2 million active cases in the US itself, where community transmission is rife.
As the US death toll from the pandemic surpasses 160,000, President Donald Trump is looking to reopen the country and some border restrictions have been eased.
But in a post on his government's travel advice website made on Friday (NZ time), authorities called for increased caution when travelling to Aotearoa.
"As of August 6, 2020, New Zealand has had 1569 confirmed and probable cases of COVID-19 within its borders. Currently, there are 23 active cases in New Zealand," the post states.
It doesn't mention that all of the active cases in New Zealand are in managed isolation.
Yesterday the Republican controlled Senate recessed without passing any covid relief legislation.
Unemployed people in California will not get the extra $600 on top of their weekly state unemployment benefits.
I was on unemployment one summer in 1983 or 1984 back when California's maximum UI benefit was IIRC $451 a week.
My understanding is that California's UI top benefit today is close to what it was 37 years ago when I received it for around two or three months when I was in my 20's.
Back on May 15th the Democratic controlled House of Representatives passed the Heroes Act that would have provided the extended Covid relief that the Senate could not get their act together for this week, before adjourning.
Senate leader Mitch McConnell would not allow the Heroes Act to come up for a vote or even discussion in the Senate.
Yesterday Mitch McConnell said that between 15 to 20 senate Republicans would not vote for and coronavirus relief bill.
Senate leader Mitch McConnell essentially refused to allow 48 Democrats and around 35 Republicans see if 51 of them could agree to prevent unnecessary hardship to fall on 32 million Americans currently collecting unemployment.I bet if California didn't welcome so many illegals with open arms and give them anything they want there would be no problem extending your unemployment benefits. I am sure that brilliant speaker of the house from California would have no problem forking out a few million to help her people. As long as she got to keep about half.
ScatManDoo
08-10-20, 17:28
I bet if California didn't welcome so many illegals with open arms and give them anything they want there would be no problem extending your unemployment benefits. Around half of the Republicians in the Senate are telling Mitch McConnel that they won't vote for even a dime of additional unemployment for all United States workers, including citizens.
GOP says fuck off you non essentials. No more relief.
Danny Duck
08-11-20, 06:34
I hope it's ironic!It's actually the goal of Nancy Pelosi. Make people poor so they vote Democrats. They've been doing it to African Americans for years. Funny thing is they are Onboard big time. Vote Food Stamps.
It's actually the goal of Nancy Pelosi. Make people poor so they vote Democrats. They've been doing it to African Americans for years. Funny thing is they are Onboard big time. Vote Food Stamps.Every major USA Economic crash, Depression/Recession, massive jobs losses and bear market of the past 100 years, including this current one, occurred under Republican presidents and well after their policues were in place.
Every major USA Economic recovery, expansion, jobs creation and bull market of the past 100 years (and none of the Crashes) occurred under Democratic presidents and well after their policies were put in place.
Do you really think African Americans are too stupid and ill informed to have noticed that consistent pattern in the history books and much of it easily observable in real time to anyone over the age of 40?
Politics are everywhere and it sucks to hear it relentlessly.
Every major USA Economic crash, Depression/Recession, massive jobs losses and bear market of the past 100 years, including this current one, occurred under Republican presidents and well after their policues were in place.
Every major USA Economic recovery, expansion, jobs creation and bull market of the past 100 years (and none of the Crashes) occurred under Democratic presidents and well after their policies were put in place.
Do you really think African Americans are too stupid and ill informed to have noticed that consistent pattern in the history books and much of it easily observable in real time to anyone over the age of 40?
ScatManDoo
08-11-20, 22:13
Eventually it is going to become President Harris (Biden turns 78 this November).
Bet there's an opinion of the woman who spent most of her 20's being Willie Brown's girlfriend (when he enjoyed his 50's before becoming mayor Willie Brown of SF in his 60's).
Campaigning can be tough on a democratic love interest, especially when one of them's married.
Beijing4987
08-11-20, 22:32
Every major USA Economic crash, Depression/Recession, massive jobs losses and bear market of the past 100 years, including this current one, occurred under Republican presidents and well after their policues were in place.
Every major USA Economic recovery, expansion, jobs creation and bull market of the past 100 years (and none of the Crashes) occurred under Democratic presidents and well after their policies were put in place.
Do you really think African Americans are too stupid and ill informed to have noticed that consistent pattern in the history books and much of it easily observable in real time to anyone over the age of 40?The stock market results are readily available too.
Master Monger
08-12-20, 00:04
Politics are everywhere and it sucks to hear it relentlessly.I totally agree, but it is almost impossible not to respond when people are so very far from the facts. At some point in the last 15 years, while I was out mongering, the world just stopped caring about facts. Facts are unarguable truths. People see or hear something and then don't go to check the facts to see if it is true. What realm of logic does that fall into? Faith? So that means you have faith in the news and politicians?
The news used to be held accountable to tell the truth and face major consequences if they didn't. Now there are different versions of the truth. The fact that fake news can exist should make you lose all faith in the news. Politicians have no reason to be good, no incentive, especially in their last term. If you look a little closer you will see that even good men and women who become politicians are not in control of their own agendas. They are controlled by their political parties or the people who have given them money.
The solution is so simple!
First, eliminate all political parties and let politicians fend for themselves as individuals. Next, eliminate all campaign contributions and any politician accepting any money from any source outside of the Government will be charged with treason. Finally the government will provide free advertising distributed in equal proportion on a television channel running only political ads 24 hours a day and also offer the same service on all social media platforms and a website. If a person wants to become a politician but still can't afford the campaign they can anonymously crowd fund through the government run website that is providing the free advertising. The money can only be used to cover expenses related to the campaign such as offices, phone lines, hotels and venues, which will be reimbursed from their crowd funding accounts when the government is presented with receipts. Any additional money after the campaign goes back to the government to help pay for the free advertising and other services.
Boom! Did I just solve government corruption in every country around the world in 6 sentences?
News is a bit more difficult, the problem is money. We need to create tax funded Newspapers and Television news stations that are run by publicly elected officials that also face treason if they have income from "any" other source but the government. Being a politician or a government official should not be a money making venture it should be for the purpose of making the world a better place. The other news media can do what they like but the only news the people can trust will be the tax funded news outlets and all employees will be scrutinized and face treason if they are caught accepting money or lying about the news. The tax funded news media will be 100% transparent and not worry about who is the first to report the news. Tax funded news will encourage and protect whistleblowers and offer rewards for convictions related to information provided by whistleblowers.
If we implement these two systems we never have to talk about politics ever again. If we don't then we must talk about politics every waking moment because we are at war! The Wealthy who control the politicians and media Versus The entire population of the world. If you look into the facts of the current situation you will see it is the truth.
I have some good news! We outnumber them about 40,000 to 1 if the military and police, who are not wealthy, choose to stand with the people. If the military and police choose to stand with the wealthy people, corrupt government officials and news media, don't worry too much, we still outnumber them about 5,000 to 1.
If you disagree, please tell me specifically why you disagree.
The only way to make the madness stop is to "make" the madness stop!
Thank you for your time!
MM.
Banana Boi
08-12-20, 06:06
Politics are everywhere and it sucks to hear it relentlessly.Especially if they have absolutely nothing to do with Thailand and, in this case Pattaya since this is the PATTAYA REPORTS forum!
For those who want to talk about politics why not sign up for some of the political forums out there like
https://www.debatepolitics.com/
You can show off your political proficiency where people are much more knowledgeable and may give 2 sh1ts about politics than those of us who come here to talk about sex. This is a SEX BOARD!
Banana Boi
08-12-20, 06:13
Another political thread. This time along with War History. My second least favorite topic. What a complete waste of my time!
Let's just make this a war thread. Who will nuke the World first? Trump, Kim Jun Ong or whatever his name is, Bruce Lee, Charlie Chaplin, Charlie's Angels, Dr. Who, Abba, Macho Man, Zelda, Kermit the Frog, Mr. Rogers?
Another political thread. This time along with War History. My second least favorite topic. What a complete waste of my time!
Let's just make this a war thread. Who will nuke the World first? Trump, Kim Jun Ong or whatever his name is, Bruce Lee, Charlie Chaplin, Charlie's Angels, Dr. Who, Abba, Macho Man, Zelda, Kermit the Frog, Mr. Rogers?Wait a minute! Aren't you the same Banana Boi that posted the earlier "Trump...Got to love America!" and who "Americans voted to be theur leader" posts to which many of the other posts were simply replies or similar side comments?
LOL. You guys who get your licks in then demand the rest of us keep it on the subject of sex as soon as you start getting replies or posts that follow your lead crack me up. LOL.
ScatManDoo
08-12-20, 15:37
If you disagree, please tell me specifically why you disagree.
You left the foxes in charge of the hen house.
The news used to be held accountable to tell the truth and face major consequences if they didn't. Now there are different versions of the truth. The fact that fake news can exist should make you lose all faith in the news. Politicians have no reason to be good, no incentive, especially in their last term. If you look a little closer you will see that even good men and women who become politicians are not in control of their own agendas. They are controlled by their political parties or the people who have given them money.
The solution is so simple!
First, eliminate all political parties and let politicians fend for themselves as individuals. Next, eliminate all campaign contributions and any politician accepting any money from any source outside of the Government will be charged with treason. Finally the government will provide free advertising distributed in equal proportion on a television channel running only political ads 24 hours a day and also offer the same service on all social media platforms and a website.
Master Monger
08-12-20, 21:01
You left the foxes in charge of the hen house.Sorry, but I don't quite understand your analogy. My idea makes it possible to for anyone to become a politician and be judged on their words and actions. It doesn't allow politician to make any money from the outside world and all of the federal politicians as well as the governors of each state and the mayors of each city will be audited every year. The new will be owned by the people and all of its financials and operations will be completely transparent to the people.
Remember the website with the free advertising and crowdfunding, well it also has an impeach button that people can click on and start an impeachment process for any politician as long as the citizens signing the have an address related to the public officials office. Anyone could start an impeachment process against the Chairman, Prime Minister, President of the country. Only the people who have an address in the area where a senator, representative, or local government official are presiding over can sign their impeachments. Once impeached the candidate with the second most votes will take the impeached official's place within 7 days.
This system should be implemented in every country around the world to end government and news media corruption forever.
I bet if California didn't welcome so many illegals with open arms and give them anything they want there would be no problem extending your unemployment benefits. I am sure that brilliant speaker of the house from California would have no problem forking out a few million to help her people. As long as she got to keep about half.I think you are right, Beavis. Won't all the dumbo rats be pissed when Trump wins again?
You've got to avoid it for another four, he's going to be re-elected.As of today, his chances are around 40%. It all depends on how much worse things get between now and election day.
I do agree - It will NOT be a landslide for Biden, as most pundits are predicting.
~BKKguru.
Franciscass
08-15-20, 05:04
As of today, his chances are around 40%. It all depends on how much worse things get between now and election day.
I do agree - It will NOT be a landslide for Biden, as most pundits are predicting.
~BKKguru.Being the incumbent is a huge advantage, that and Trump's willingness to do whatever it takes to avoid losing means its going to be close.
Following is from Nate Silver's Five thirty Eight, recognized by most professional in the polling business as independent and reliable. I recommend visiting the site, lots of interesting stats.
"That, in a nutshell, is why the FiveThirtyEight presidential election forecast, which we launched today, still has Trump with a 29 percent chance of winning the Electoral College, despite his current deficit in the polls. This is considerably higher than some other forecasts, which put Trump's chances at around 10 percent."
GeneHickman
08-15-20, 07:21
Yesterday the Republican controlled Senate recessed without passing any covid relief legislation.
Unemployed people in California will not get the extra $600 on top of their weekly state unemployment benefits.
I was on unemployment one summer in 1983 or 1984 back when California's maximum UI benefit was IIRC $451 a week.
My understanding is that California's UI top benefit today is close to what it was 37 years ago when I received it for around two or three months when I was in my 20's.
Back on May 15th the Democratic controlled House of Representatives passed the Heroes Act that would have provided the extended Covid relief that the Senate could not get their act together for this week, before adjourning.
Senate leader Mitch McConnell would not allow the Heroes Act to come up for a vote or even discussion in the Senate.
Yesterday Mitch McConnell said that between 15 to 20 senate Republicans would not vote for and coronavirus relief bill.
Senate leader Mitch McConnell essentially refused to allow 48 Democrats and around 35 Republicans see if 51 of them could agree to prevent unnecessary hardship to fall on 32 million Americans currently collecting unemployment.With the national debt at 26 T and counting, I think that's fine. People can learn to live on 2 k / month. Its not the end of the world. If its too little in LA they can move. This shit entitlement mindset is garbage. The money printing and distribution crap needs to end, or we will all be in the toilet and sooner than you think. We were 5. 7 T in debt when dubbya took over. 26 T and counting now. Enough already.
Bottom line. People will vote to protect and / or to further their interests. That is the bottom line. The majority of Electoral College delegates will elect the winner. That is the system.
I personally believe the silent majority will come out and re-elect Trump. Trump voters will not be shouted down. Most Americans are appalled at the lawlessness rioters and do not support defunding the police. Rioters, gutless mayors and governors have made it easier to vote for Trump than for Biden.
The thought Biden will be beholden to Bernie's far left agenda is enough to scare enough voters over to Trump's side. The lesser of two evils.
I doubt if there will ever be a Boy Scout as a presidential candidate. Voting will always be for the lesser of two evils.
Being the incumbent is a huge advantage, that and Trump's willingness to do whatever it takes to avoid losing means its going to be close.
Following is from Nate Silver's Five thirty Eight, recognized by most professional in the polling business as independent and reliable. I recommend visiting the site, lots of interesting stats.
"That, in a nutshell, is why the FiveThirtyEight presidential election forecast, which we launched today, still has Trump with a 29 percent chance of winning the Electoral College, despite his current deficit in the polls. This is considerably higher than some other forecasts, which put Trump's chances at around 10 percent."Nate Silver in 2016 gave Trump a 29% chance of beating Hillary Clinton. How professional and reliable was that?
With the national debt at 26 T and counting, I think that's fine. People can learn to live on 2 k / month. Its not the end of the world. If its too little in LA they can move. This shit entitlement mindset is garbage. The money printing and distribution crap needs to end, or we will all be in the toilet and sooner than you think. We were 5. 7 T in debt when dubbya took over. 26 T and counting now. Enough already.The creditor class are the ones with the shit entitlement mindset. Any money put into the hands of The People is so that Visa / Mastercard can continue to get their interest payments. The corporations must have customers. Banks and rentiers must be paid in order to remain whole and keep the system from collapsing. What we have is socialism for the rich and capitalism for everybody else.
With the national debt at 26 T and counting, I think that's fine. People can learn to live on 2 k / month. Its not the end of the world. If its too little in LA they can move. This shit entitlement mindset is garbage. The money printing and distribution crap needs to end, or we will all be in the toilet and sooner than you think. We were 5. 7 T in debt when dubbya took over. 26 T and counting now. Enough already.Trump is a bankruptcy expert. What do you think you get when you cut taxes and increase spending?
Master Monger
08-16-20, 15:56
It isn't who is the president that is the problem. They have all done horrific crap! The problem is the whole system.
First, eliminate all political parties and let politicians fend for themselves as individuals. Next, eliminate all campaign contributions and any candidate or politician accepting any money from any source outside of the Government will be charged with treason. Finally the government will provide free advertising distributed in equal proportion on a television channel running only political ads 24 hours a day and also offer the same service on all social media platforms and a website. If a person wants to become a politician but still can't afford the campaign they can anonymously crowd fund through the government run website that is providing the free advertising. The money can only be used to cover expenses related to the campaign such as offices, phone lines, hotels and venues, which will be reimbursed from their crowd funding accounts when the government is presented with receipts. Any additional money after the campaign goes back to the government to help pay for the free advertising and other services.
News is a bit more difficult, the problem is money. We need to create tax funded Newspapers and Television news stations that are run by publicly elected officials that also face treason if they have income from "any" other source but the government. Being a politician or a government official should not be a money making venture it should be for the purpose of making the world a better place. The other news media can do what they like but the only news the people can trust will be the tax funded news outlets and all employees will be scrutinized and face treason if they are caught accepting money or lying about the news. The tax funded news media will be 100% transparent and not worry about who is the first to report the news. Tax funded news will encourage and protect whistleblowers and offer rewards for convictions related to information provided by whistleblowers.
26 Trillion in national debt in the US solved in 30 days. Tell people To transfer all their money into private banks then after 30 days close all central banks and sister banks. Collect all the cash from the people and give them new money printed directly by the US government at an equal rate. Then return all the money printed by the federal reserve back to the federal reserve. Any outstanding debt offer the world bank repayment over 1000 years at 0% interest rate. If the World Bank refuses declare war on the World Bank and International Monetary Fund.
Wow politics is sooo easy!
Master Monger for President!
GeneHickman
08-16-20, 19:09
Trump is a bankruptcy expert. What do you think you get when you cut taxes and increase spending?Lets do a recap. Debt when Dubbya assumed office 5. 7 T, when Obama assumed office it was 10.6 T and when Trump took over it was 20T.
Any honest individual would agree this is a bipartisan screw job. Trump is certainly not doing anything to help, but this thing has been going on well before him.
GeneHickman
08-16-20, 19:18
The creditor class are the ones with the shit entitlement mindset. Any money put into the hands of The People is so that Visa / Mastercard can continue to get their interest payments. The corporations must have customers. Banks and rentiers must be paid in order to remain whole and keep the system from collapsing. What we have is socialism for the rich and capitalism for everybody else.What are you talking about? The level of ignorance astonishes me. First Visa and mastercard are like tollroads, they don't collect interest. The banks do. Next traveling on the toll road is discretionary, and you blame the road instead of the person who made the choice to do so. Cash still plenty avaiable last I checked.
Finally these companies can sell their products anywhere. If you do not like coke, do not drink it, the african laborer will gladly take ypur place. If you don't buy and they can't sell anywhere then the company can go eat crow. What gives you the god given right to x or y product? Its the definition of an entitlement mindset. That the gov is doing it for corporations is the ultimate rationalization of your mindset. You are basically questioning the fundamental tenets of capitalism having benefitted in its busom for decades. Sad.
You travel and monger today purely because you are from a country that has succeeded in capitalism.
26 Trillion in national debt in the US solved in 30 days. Tell people To transfer all their money into private banks then after 30 days close all central banks and sister banks. Collect all the cash from the people and give them new money printed directly by the US government at an equal rate. Then return all the money printed by the federal reserve back to the federal reserve. Any outstanding debt offer the world bank repayment over 1000 years at 0% interest rate!A debt that can't be repaid, won't be repaid. Economics 101, Day 1.
The majority of USA currency in circulation is circulating abroad. It is America's biggest export at this stage. The last thing you want to do is call it in, at least not before all the appropriate people convert their Federal Reserve banknotes into diamonds and are keeping them in little bags they're wearing around their necks.
That the gov is doing it for corporations is the ultimate rationalization of your mindset. You are basically questioning the fundamental tenets of capitalism having benefitted in its busom for decades. Sad.
You travel and monger today purely because you are from a country that has succeeded in capitalism.Sorry to have challenged you beyond your capacity. Yes, it is the bank that issued the Visa / Mastercard that must not be denied their interest payments. And it is the banksters who are the donor class the politicians work for. Put money into the pockets of the flyover country and inner city citizenry and that money (either in cash or via credit card) soon finds its way to McDonalds, Home Depot, Target, and the rest of them. These corporations are then able to pay their management and reward their shareholders. The Money-Go-Round, get it? Take away credit from the ever-increasing rabble and what do you have? Answer: quick and hard descent to Revolution.
ScatManDoo
08-17-20, 01:49
Nate Silver in 2016 gave Trump a 29% chance of beating Hillary Clinton. How professional and reliable was that?Russia rigged the vote.
There really was more people that voted for Hillary.
(Hope no one takes me seriously).
Lets do a recap. Debt when Dubbya assumed office 5. 7 T, when Obama assumed office it was 10.6 T and when Trump took over it was 20T.
Any honest individual would agree this is a bipartisan screw job. Trump is certainly not doing anything to help, but this thing has been going on well before him.Dubbya walked into a strong economy and proceeded to put it into meltdown with unnecessary tax cuts and unnecessary wars. Obama waked into a basket case and tuned it into a stable economy. The deficit was contracting to less than 400 b a year despite Republican refusal to raise taxes. Trump was generating $1 T a year deficits in a strong economy. Now they are running hundreds of billions a month with no plan to address it.
Master Monger
08-17-20, 15:55
The majority of USA currency in circulation is circulating abroad. It is America's biggest export at this stage. The last thing you want to do is call it in, at least not before all the appropriate people convert their Federal Reserve banknotes into diamonds and are keeping them in little bags they're wearing around their necks.We are spending 700 billion a year on interest for our debt almost 2 billion a day! If we print new money and take the central banks out of the picture then that debt can be repaid as we choose. Then we base the new money off of the power and resources of the United States. Diamonds are worth as much as crushed carbon to anyone with an IQ over 120. Gold isn't much better as it has such limited use. Platinum or Titanium are some valuable metals that will never lose their value. We must implement the change to save 680 billion a year. We can still pay the world bank 20 billion a year for a 1000 years!
ScatManDoo
08-17-20, 22:13
We are spending 700 billion a year on interest for our debt almost 2 billion a day! If we print new money and take the central banks out of the picture then that debt can be repaid as we choose. Then we base the new money off of the power and resources of the United States. Diamonds are worth as much as crushed carbon to anyone with an IQ over 120. Gold isn't much better as it has such limited use. Platinum or Titanium are some valuable metals that will never lose their value. We must implement the change to save 680 billion a year. We can still pay the world bank 20 billion a year for a 1000 years!Unsure what change you are suggesting.
Currently our United States dollars are not backed by precious metals (as dollars stopped being backed by gold reserves over 87 years ago).
So currently our United States dollars are based on not much beyond the power and resources of the United States.
And the Fed already prints as much new money as the fed desires.
So I guess you are in favor of our current system?
Master Monger
08-18-20, 01:59
Unsure what change you are suggesting.I think you have a comprehension problem currently the US dollar is printed by the federal reserve which is not a government agency it is completely controlled by the world bank. In the current system we are controlled by the world bank and must pay them $700 billion every year in interest or they can manipulate their monetary System to cause us harm.
If the United States government started printing its own money we could pay back our debt at our leisure because the United States is the most powerful country in the world. Currently the world bank values money off of fractional lending which means a country's money can be worth Nine times more than the current amount of money deposited in the banks.
Eliminating the $700 billion we pay in interest every year will also make the new currency Printed by the United States government more valuable As we would have less of a debt liability.
We also need to change the government system so there are no longer Political parties or campaign contributions as I explained in my previous post. News should also be presented by an entity that cannot be enticed by money such as a tax funded news outlet that will guarantee fake news is a thing of the past.
The current system is completely messed up since shortly after World War II until now. If you can't see that ask somebody to look into the information and translate it for you into layman's terms because I don't have the time.
Pretending to vote for the president or even worrying about any politician until we fix the system is completely futile because the politicians will do whatever the people paying them tell them to do.
GeneHickman
08-18-20, 06:43
Sorry to have challenged you beyond your capacity. Yes, it is the bank that issued the Visa / Mastercard that must not be denied their interest payments. And it is the banksters who are the donor class the politicians work for. Put money into the pockets of the flyover country and inner city citizenry and that money (either in cash or via credit card) soon finds its way to McDonalds, Home Depot, Target, and the rest of them. These corporations are then able to pay their management and reward their shareholders. The Money-Go-Round, get it? Take away credit from the ever-increasing rabble and what do you have? Answer: quick and hard descent to Revolution.What an arrogant dumb ass you are. You got your facts wrong then talk about people's capacity to understand.
People adapt to their circumstances, we have built a consumer economy based on debt. The minute you properly incent savings and disincent debt you start going the other way. We just need to have the courage to do it. But as long as the population want to be fooled and there are those to fool them we will go further and further into the abyss. This printing and easing plan is not going to work forever and whether an inflationary crisis or a deflationary spiral, both can ignite unrest.
ScatManDoo
08-18-20, 15:33
I think you have a comprehension problem currently the US dollar is printed by the federal reserve which is not a government agency it is completely controlled by the world bank.You appear to have a learning disability.
The "Fed", or federal reserve is the central banking system of the United States. I smell "government agency", despite your silly assertion it is not. The World bank and Fed sometimes work with each other co-operatively, but neither controls the other.
If the United States government started printing its own money we could pay back our debt at our leisure Hey McFly,
Try "Now that" instead of"If".
Our Fed already chooses when and how much money it prints / creates / expands.
We also need to change the government system so there are no longer Political parties or campaign contributions as I explained in my previous post. News should also be presented by an entity that cannot be enticed by money such as a tax funded news outlet that will guarantee fake news is a thing of the past.
The current system is completely messed up since shortly after World War II until now. If you can't see that ask somebody to look into the information and translate it for you into layman's terms because I don't have the time.So your vision of Utopia.
Is dominated by state run media, like Russia or China?
You might prefer to live under a fascist regime, but I will pass on that and choose freedom instead.
We are spending 700 billion a year on interest for our debt almost 2 billion a day! If we print new money and take the central banks out of the picture then that debt can be repaid as we choose. Then we base the new money off of the power and resources of the United States!Ah, the Hjalmar Schacht solution. If only.
Master Monger
08-19-20, 09:14
The "Fed", or federal reserve is the central banking system of the United States. I smell "government agency", despite your silly assertion it is not. The World bank and Fed sometimes work with each other co-operatively, but neither controls the other.The Federal Reserve which is The central banking system is not a part of the federal government just as Federal Express package delivery is not part of the federal government. You could double check this before making statements that make you sound uneducated by searching the internet, going to a library, or phoning a friend with an IQ over 115.
The Federal Reserve was created by an ACT of Congress in 1913 just like every central banking system in every country around the world because The government has to give up the power of controlling the currency of a country. There are only 12 central bank locations in the US but they have also been granted the ability to regulate and partially control all comercial banks.
The Federal Reserve has a President appointed By the World Bank and has 12 board members, of which many are also board members of the World Bank and or the International Monetary Fund. The US government has no control of the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve can stop lending money to the US government anytime they wish. They can also jack up the interest rate anytime a country gets out of line, like Argentina which is currently experiencing a 35% interest rate.
I know this is a shocking revelation but Please check the internet or any other reputable source before making any more foolish comments about the validity of what is written here.
News media controlled by the people and paid for by our taxes so they can not be influenced would be similar to PBS or NPR. Although, we need to take it one step further and make it completely transparent to the public and also we need to start tax auditing all government employees and their family members and make those Audits public record. There should be no wealth or privacy for government officials.
My concept of removing manipulation of the wealthy on the government and news media is so far from the system in China that I can only assume one of two things.
You "ScatManDoo" are working with someone to spread disinformation or you really have no concept of world politics especially in China and the US.
Please people educate yourselves before speaking or sharing your opinions.
The Federal Reserve which is The central banking system is not a part of the federal government just as Federal Express package delivery is not part of the federal government. You could double check this before making statements that make you sound uneducated by searching the internet, going to a library, or phoning a friend with an IQ over 115.
The Federal Reserve was created by an ACT of Congress in 1913 just like every central banking system in every country around the world because The government has to give up the power of controlling the currency of a country. There are only 12 central bank locations in the US but they have also been granted the ability to regulate and partially control all comercial banks.
The Federal Reserve has a President appointed By the World Bank and has 12 board members, of which many are also board members of the World Bank and or the International Monetary Fund. The US government has no control of the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve can stop lending money to the US government anytime they wish. They can also jack up the interest rate anytime a country gets out of line, like Argentina which is currently experiencing a 35% interest rate.
I know this is a shocking revelation but Please check the internet or any other reputable source before making any more foolish comments about the validity of what is written here..You failed to note that the Board of Governors in Washington, DC is in fact an agency of the United States government, and directly accountable to Congress. So, the relationship between the Fed and the government is not like Federal Express as you put it. FedEx is a multinational corporation that has no nexus to governmental functions whatsoever. Not true for the Fed. It's Board has a lot of autonomy to act independently, but it is still a federal agency and part of government. And must answer to Congress. The system is actually both public and private in its nature:
https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_14986.htm
https://www.stlouisfed.org/in-plain-english/who-owns-the-federal-reserve-banks
ScatManDoo
08-19-20, 18:37
The Federal Reserve which is The central banking system is not a part of the federal government just as Federal Express package delivery is not part of the federal government.Per wikipedia: FedEx Corporation is an American multinational delivery services company headquartered in Memphis, Tennessee.
Fedex is a publicly traded corporation. The company was founded in 1971 as Federal Express Corporation by Frederick W. Smith, a graduate of Yale Business School.
Also per wikipedia: The Federal Reserve Act was passed by the 63rd United States Congress and signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson on December 23,1913. The law created the Federal Reserve System, the central banking system of the United States. To lead the Federal Reserve System, the act established the Federal Reserve Board of Governors, members of which are appointed by the president.
Recent tradition has the President of United States appointing a chairman to the Federal Reserve around the middle of their term in office, around the time of off-year elections. Corporate shareholders elect the President (and probably other officers) serving Fedex.
Maybe with a little more study Master Monger, you might understand the difference between private companies, public companies, and government agencies. The Federal Reserve Act created the Federal Reserve System, consisting of twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks jointly responsible for managing the country's money supply, making loans and providing oversight to banks, and serving as a lender of last resort. The Fed is not responsible to shareholders to make profits. It serve a public interest, not a duty to make profits for shareholders.
I know this is a shocking revelation but Please check the internet or any other reputable source before making any more foolish comments about the validity of what is written here.Consider it done.
You were the foolish writer trying to make a point the the Fed is not a part of federal government, just like a shareholder owned corporation is not a part of the federal government. A ball of string is also not the federal government, but what point does that make?
The federal reserve prints and creates money, which is something that your earlier posts, clearly demonstrated you were painfully ignorant of.
The Federal Reserve was created by an ACT of Congress in 1913 just like every central banking system in every country around the world because The government has to give up the power of controlling the currency of a country. There are only 12 central bank locations in the US but they have also been granted the ability to regulate and partially control all comercial banks..The government has to give up the power of controlling the currency of a country? The government "has to"? The USA Did not has to give up this power, yet Congress was lobbied and they did. How this was made to happen has been well-documented. The short story: "Give me control of a nation's money supply, and I care not who makes its laws," Amchel Rothschild. Americans are owned and will be until they End The Fed!
The Federal Reserve which is The central banking system is not a part of the federal government just as Federal Express package delivery is not part of the federal government. You could double check this before making statements that make you sound uneducated by searching the internet, going to a library, or phoning a friend with an IQ over 115.
The Federal Reserve was created by an ACT of Congress in 1913 just like every central banking system in every country around the world because The government has to give up the power of controlling the currency of a country. There are only 12 central bank locations in the US but they have also been granted the ability to regulate and partially control all comercial banks.
The Federal Reserve has a President appointed By the World Bank and has 12 board members, of which many are also board members of the World Bank and or the International Monetary Fund. The US government has no control of the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve can stop lending money to the US government anytime they wish. They can also jack up the interest rate anytime a country gets out of line, like Argentina which is currently experiencing a 35% interest rate.
I know this is a shocking revelation but Please check the internet or any other reputable source before making any more foolish comments about the validity of what is written here.
News media controlled by the people and paid for by our taxes so they can not be influenced would be similar to PBS or NPR. Although, we need to take it one step further and make it completely transparent to the public and also we need to start tax auditing all government employees and their family members and make those Audits public record. There should be no wealth or privacy for government officials.
My concept of removing manipulation of the wealthy on the government and news media is so far from the system in China that I can only assume one of two things.
You "ScatManDoo" are working with someone to spread disinformation or you really have no concept of world politics especially in China and the US.
Please people educate yourselves before speaking or sharing your opinions.For someone telling people to check their sources / information the post above is not an example of that. Chairman of the Federal Reserve being appointed by the World Bank. Not so. In reality appointed by the President of the United States. Among other pieces of misinformation, or disinformation as he puts it.
ScatManDoo
08-19-20, 20:41
The Federal Reserve has a President appointed By the World Bank .,.
.,.You "ScatManDoo" are working with someone to spread disinformation or you really have no concept of world politics especially in China and the US.
Please people educate yourselves before speaking or sharing your opinions.I think when MasterMonger went back to his "sources of information" for the list of the last five Presidents of the Federal Reserve, it listed Homer, Marge, Bart, Lisa and Maggie Simpson.
Beijing4987
08-19-20, 20:48
This book describes the invention of the Federal Reserve by a secret cabal of banksters. The President appoints the chairman for a fixed term. But Is the president only allowed to choose from among a pre-selected ("trusted") group approved by the current secret cabal of banksters?
For someone telling people to check their sources / information the post above is not an example of that. Chairman of the Federal Reserve being appointed by the World Bank. Not so. In reality appointed by the President of the United States. Among other pieces of misinformation, or disinformation as he puts it.That's why this is the American Politics thread, the truth in American politics is whatever you and your followers want it to be. Even when the truth stares you in your face, you can claim its fake news as many people do these days. There is no more fact-checking in politics.
Master Monger
08-21-20, 08:41
Also per wikipedia: The Federal Reserve Act was passed by the 63rd United States Congress and signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson on December 23,1913. The law created the Federal Reserve System, the central banking system of the United States. To lead the Federal Reserve System, the act established the Federal Reserve Board of Governors, members of which are appointed by the president.
Recent tradition has the President of United States appointing a chairman to the Federal Reserve around the middle of their term in office, around the time of off-year elections. Corporate shareholders elect the President (and probably other officers) serving Fedex.
The federal reserve prints and creates money, which is something that your earlier posts, clearly demonstrated you were painfully ignorant of.You read the first 5 lines of Wikipedia and think you understand anything, so cute.
The president does have the ability to select the members of the board of governors and from that board he can select one of them to be the president. That much of what you said is true.
The senate is given a list of candidates from representatives of the World Bank and they pass that list on to the President Of the United States. If he chooses a name from the list as a new member of the board of governors the senate will approve his choice. If he chooses another name not on the list the senate will contact the world bank and ask if this name is acceptable and if the World Bank says "no problem" the senate will approve the choice. If the World Bank says "No Way". The senate will not ratify the President's choice and the process starts over again.
If I give you a list of women and say pick one from this list to be your wife. Although, if you choose someone else not on the list you will not be granted a marriage certificate. Did you choose your wife or did I choose your wife?
The Federal Reserve has no government employees, they take no funding from the government and make money off of short term loans, usually to other countries, and other investments. The do tell the government periodically what they are doing but do not have to heed the words of anyone in the government.
The only way their power can removed is by an act of Congress and they already have enough Senators in their pocket to make that very difficult.
The Dodd-Frank act of 2008 was a major blow to the Federal Reserve's power after costing the American People about $22 Trillion dollars in lost money after the housing market crash of 2008.
Thanks to Congress and Trump, that act was partially repealed on May 24,2018. This is why the COVID-19 market crash in April was so bad And it looks like the next big crash is just around the corner.
Again the World bank controls the Federal Reserve although they have no interest in the measly $100 Billion the Federal Reserve in Washington profits ever year. For those who don't believe the world bank owns the Federal Reserve just look at the 12 central banks in the US.
The Number 2 central bank which is the most powerful and wealthy is New York of which The Rothschilds and 7 other families own more than 80%. Of course the Rothschilds have the controlling share at about 25%. The Rothschilds also own a piece of all other 11 central banks in the US.
If you don't know The Rothschilds control the World Bank and International Monetary Fund you have probably been sleeping through the last century.
This is public information you can look it up.
Scat you are a pretty rude guy but that is common for people without education or culture so I will just ignore your childish attempts at insults.
GolfinHo don't give up.
Hope the people can take back control of the US government anytime they decide to put down the fast food and phones and March on Washington to replace the government officials and eliminate all political parties and stop the government officials from accepting money from outside sources.
The police and the Military will stand with the people of there is more than 10,000,000 people at the gates of Congress.
Do more research and learn more about the real truth!
Documentaries your should watch: Oliver Stone's Series The Truth about America, Loose Change, Zeitgeist.
I have been reading, with prurient interest, the posts of there last week or so about central banking systems. Most posters succeeded in demonstrating their gross ignorance of the Federal Reserve System (The Fed), the central bank of the United States. I took Introduction to Macroeconomics in college, several decades ago now, but I was not so stupid, or asleep in class, that I forgot the basics of what I learned. Almost half the course was about monetary economics which included The Fed (the other half was fiscal economics, meaning Government budgets: taxation and spending). I kept many of my old textbooks, and economics was one. The good thing is that the laws relating the the functioning of The Fed have not changed since 1913 so my 1980 something textbook is still valid for that area.
Most egregious area of correction: Master Monger earns the award of Master Idiot for the most ridiculous, the most incorrect, most ludicrous statement of all the posts. In his post of Aug 19 (4:14 pm), Master Monger stated that The Fed has a President who is appointed by the World Bank. Most other posters corrected him, but only partially. Guys this stuff is from Macro-Econ 101! The Fed is led by a Board of Governors (BoG) composed of 12 governors, one for each Federal Reserve District. The BoG is led by a Chairman who is appointed by the President of the US to a term of 5 years.
I am not going to go over the rest of Master Monger's errors and inaccuracies. But if other posters are going to correct him, have a reference book at hand. Or at least go to The Fed's website. I mean everyone here is actually ON THE WEB AS WE WRITE! The URL is www (dot) federalreserve (dot) gov. They have a HUGE data base of monetary economics issues and Fed issues. There are links to the history of The Fed, its structure, its functions, its mandate, its goals and priorities.
I think Master Monger is a lost cause, there is no cure for whatever ails him. But you other guys, get your acts together. Criticize Master Monger with the complete set of accurate facts!
Rant over.
Master Monger
08-23-20, 06:20
Too many people are brainwashed in America. They either actually believe all the lies or are too scared to rock the boat to do anything about it. Trust me though, they wouldn't be going after the guns so hard if they were not actually afraid of the people.
That Oliver Stone's Documentary series is actually called "The Untold History of the United States" https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1494191/. It has like 12 episodes but it is worth watching. Listen closely to everything he says and also pay close attention to what is happening on the screen. You might have to watch it twice to catch all the information presented.
The laws concerning the Federal Reserve have constantly been changing with the latest Change almost eliminating the Dodd-Frank act just a couple of years ago. Eliminating the Federal Reserve and the entire central banking system would be the best solution not only for the USA but for every country in the World.
Central banking does make it slightly easier to do business overseas but that good point does not compensate the citizens of each Nation for losing the Trillions of Dollars the Central banks make in interest lending and borrowing money back and forth between countries. It makes it way too easy for the government to steal money from the taxpayers as well because the government can give money or receive money without the permission or the oversight from the citizens of the nation.
The ultimate solution would be a "bitcoin like" currency accepted in all countries and distributed from all ATMs around the world. You can either choose the local currency or the "bitcoin like" physical currency that all countries recognize. This would eliminate the need for central banking and make it easy for all businesses to do business around the world. You would never exchange USD for CAD again, instead you exchange USD for WWC "World Wide Currency" then exchange any WWC you have left back into whatever currency you like or just use it your home country. The US Dollar almost plays this role now but many countries are still resistant Because they dislike the US. Allowing Switzerland to print this new WWC would see every ATM in the world have this currency overnight. Every shop and store in the world could then start accepting local currency and / or WWC.
Education is the first step but finding the solutions to the problems is the ultimate goal!
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The ultimate solution would be a "bitcoin like" currency accepted in all countries and distributed from all ATMs around the world. You can either choose the local currency or the "bitcoin like" physical currency that all countries recognize. This would eliminate the need for central banking and make it easy for all businesses to do business around the world. You would never exchange USD for CAD again, instead you exchange USD for WWC "World Wide Currency" then exchange any WWC you have left back into whatever currency you like or just use it your home country. The US Dollar almost plays this role now but many countries are still resistant Because they dislike the US. Allowing Switzerland to print this new WWC would see every ATM in the world have this currency overnight. Every shop and store in the world could then start accepting local currency and / or WWC.
Education is the first step but finding the solutions to the problems is the ultimate goal!OK. Here I go again. I apologize to the smart and sane posters who may read this.
Master Monger wants to put forth an ultimate solution to central banking. He proposes a system of local currencies, accepted in only one country each, along side one international currency, accepted in all countries, and giving the public the option of transacting in either the local currency of their country or the international currency.
I hope what Master Monger is proposing sounds familiar to European posters. I think it should! It is NOT a new idea! When the euro was being negotiated during the 1990's, the idea of each country keeping their own domestic currency and simply adding the euro to each country was debated. The residents of each country in the Union would have the option of transacting in either the euro or their own currency, as MM proposes.
MM believes that arrangement would eliminate the need for a central banking system. He is very incorrect on that point. It would necessitate the need for TWO central banking systems in each country. The domestic ones whose existences continue, and the international one whose existence is new. I do not know the details of those euro debates. I only know the result. It was rejected in favor of the current 'all in, or all out' arrangement. I suspect the need for two central banking systems was a factor. Britain notably chose the 'all out' option.
So, yes, educate yourselves about what you choose to talk about before talking about it. I may have to eat my words on that point because I am not knowledgeable about the euro debates and can be incorrect about some details.
I took Introduction to Macroeconomics in college, several decades ago now, but I was not so stupid, or asleep in class, that I forgot the basics of what I learned. Almost half the course was about monetary economics which included The Fed (the other half was fiscal economics, meaning Government budgets: taxation and spending). I kept many of my old textbooks, and economics was one. The good thing is that the laws relating the the functioning of The Fed have not changed since 1913 so my 1980 something textbook is still valid for....In your forty-year-old textbooks, how's the shadow economy discussed? Our favorite economist: Michael Hudson, who can tell what you need to know about The Fed:
What is the place of the Federal Reserve System in the American financial and economic structure?
Prior to the Federal Reserve's founding in 1913, USA Monetary policy was conducted by the Treasury. Like the Fed, it had district sub-treasuries that performed nearly all the financial functions that the Fed later took over: providing credit to move the crops in autumn, managing government debt, and so forth.
But after the severe 1907 financial crisis, a National Monetary Commission was reformed. Under the then-Republican administration, it recognized a need for more active government intervention to prevent future financial crises. It also recognized the desirability of moving away from the Anglo-Dutch-American system of "merchant banking" based on short-term lending against collateral in place, or for shipping of goods already produced. The National Monetary Commission's longest volumes were on the great German industrial banks, and Republican policy aimed at bringing banking into the industrial era, to provide long-term funding after the model of German and other Central European banks.
However, the leading bankers sought to use the crisis as an opportunity to grab power for Wall Street, away from the Treasury. In this sense, the Fed was founded in large part to take monetary control away from Washington's elected officials and appointees, and privatize the supply of money and credit.
So its place in the USA Financial and economic structure is to allocate credit, primarily to serve Wall Street financial interests. That explains the insistence on the financial class here and abroad in insisting on an "independent" central bank. It means that instead of serving the public interest, it serves the interests of the banking class. The hoped-for transformation of commercial banking into long-term industrial banking was not achieved.
Can we imagine the global economic system without Federal Reserve today? If yes / no, why?
As David Kinley's book for the National Monetary Commission pointed out a century ago, nearly all the financial functions performed by the Fed already were performed by the national Treasury. In more recent times, Milton Friedman and his University of Chicago colleagues suggested that the entire Fed could be reduced to a single desk inside the Treasury. The "Chicago Plan" of the 1930's urged Treasury control, as does Congressman Dennis Kucinich's current bank reform.
There is no inherent need for a monetary agency to exist outside of the national government, except to serve the interests of the financial class as distinct from those of government, industry and labor. And the banking sector's business plan is to load down real estate, labor, industry and the government with as much interest-bearing debt as possible.
ScatManDoo
08-23-20, 19:10
The Federal Reserve which is The central banking system is not a part of the federal government just as Federal Express package delivery is not part of the federal government. You could double check this before making statements that make you sound uneducated by searching the internet, going to a library, or phoning a friend with an IQ over 115.
The Federal Reserve was created by an ACT of Congress in 1913 just like every central banking system in every country around the world because The government has to give up the power of controlling the currency of a country. There are only 12 central bank locations in the US but they have also been granted the ability to regulate and partially control all comercial banks.
The Federal Reserve has a President appointed By the World Bank Who is the current Federal Reserve President that was appointed by the World Bank?
I know the current Chairman of the Federal Reserve is Jerome Powell, and Mr. Powell was appointed to the chairmanship by the United States President.
But who the hell is the current Fed President?
You "ScatManDoo" are working with someone to spread disinformation or you really have no concept of world politics especially in China and the US.
Please people educate yourselves before speaking or sharing your opinions.Are you specifically an Oliver Stone worshiper or a general conspiracy worshiper?
I think they are calling on you to assassinate the current President of the Federal Reserve!
ScatManDoo
08-23-20, 20:26
I am not going to go over the rest of Master Monger's errors and inaccuracies. But if other posters are going to correct him, have a reference book at hand.
Rant over.
Most egregious area of correction: Master Monger earns the award of Master Idiot for the most ridiculous, the most incorrect, most ludicrous statement of all the posts. In his post of Aug 19 (4:14 pm), Master Monger stated that The Fed has a President who is appointed by the World Bank. Most other posters corrected him, but only partially. Guys this stuff is from Macro-Econ 101! The Fed is led by a Board of Governors (BoG) composed of 12 governors, one for each Federal Reserve District. The BoG is led by a Chairman who is appointed by the President of the US to a term of 5 years.
I am not going to go over the rest of Master Monger's errors and inaccuracies. But if other posters are going to correct him, have a reference book at hand.
I think Master Monger is a lost cause, there is no cure for whatever ails him. But you other guys, get your acts together. Criticize Master Monger with the complete set of accurate facts!
Rant over.You mean rant incomplete, or in process?
Most other posters corrected him, but only partially.
I am not going to go over the rest of Master Monger's errors and inaccuracies.
But if other posters are going to correct him, have a reference book at hand.
But you other guys, get your acts together. Criticize Master Monger with the complete set of accurate facts!Are we to do what you say, and not what you did?
Master Monger
08-24-20, 01:44
Who is the current Federal Reserve President that was appointed by the World Bank?
I know the current Chairman of the Federal Reserve is Jerome Powell, and Mr. Powell was appointed to the chairmanship by the United States President.
But who the hell is the current Fed President?
Are you specifically an Oliver Stone worshiper or a general conspiracy worshiper?
I think they are calling on you to assassinate the current President of the Federal Reserve.ScatManDoo and George90 please ignore my future posts by clicking on my name and selecting ignore as you both lack the intellectual capacity to understand them.
ScatManDoo you are Pretty disgusting to repost my old post when I clearly explained the situation of how the World bank chooses the Board of Governors in one of my latest posts.
Now the gloves come off and I will make you look like the foolish person you really are.
Jerome Powell has been on the Board of Governors since 2012, long before Trump even thought about being President. Trump chose Powell from a list of 7 names because only a seated member of the Board of Governors can become President of The central bank which is known as the Federal Reserve. Trump does not like Powell and has called him a no guts, bonehead, poor communicator. So I wonder why he chose him from the list of 7 names. Oh wait I know, because he had no idea who anybody was on the list of 7 names. Probably chose with a dart.
ScatManDoo nothing in the Oliver Stone series is a conspiracy they are all just "facts" of the heinous stuff the American government has done over the years that they have been controlled by the United Nations, World Bank, and International Monetary Fund. If you can prove otherwise then in The USA you can take him and the producers to court and sue them. I guess you are not too familiar with the legal system either.
ScatManDoo even joking about assassinating someone is a crime, apparently something else you are clearly unaware of.
George90 are you actually 90 years old because your posts make about as much sense as my 92 year old grandfather.
The central banking system or Federal Reserve as they like to call themselves to convince people they are actually part of the government, not the case in the you. K. Where the central bank is called the Bank of England or India where the central bank is called the Bank of India. I guess that means citizens in The UK and India are more intelligent than the USA so they don't even try to fool them. Anyway the central banks are set up for two reasons. The first is to provide stability to the bank system so people don't panic and Erratically withdraw their money from banks causing the banks to fail. The second was to become a "Last Resort Lender" for banks, Governments, and on occasion private businesses. Over the years they have managed to become overseers of all banking practices and now regulate all banks but their need is redundant to say the least.
The government could do everything the Federal Reserve does with a fully government agency not allowing anyone to profit off the money the government needs. Banks can be more frugal and not overextend themselves so there is no need for central banks. Banking should be opened up and insured by assets, currently banks don't really give any money for depositing money so their use is limited only to keeping money safe and lending money.
Central Banks are bad just like political parties and unregulated fake news outlets are bad. If we want to have a bright future we need to eliminate them. All countries need to balance their books and put their payables and receivables to zero and stop paying all interest.
Switzerland could be the new world bank with the WWE and facilitate loans between governments on in the capacity of the record of the transaction and adjusting the value of that country's currency against the WorldWide Currency. If China lends the USA 1 trillion CNY then the USA will receive the equivalent in WWE and the value of Chinese currency will go down because they have sacrificed that money and the value of US currency will go up because of the cash influx. Currencies will no longer be traded like stocks. Then at the end of the year even if the physical money is not returned from the USA back to China the bank in Switzerland can balance the books by then lowering the value of US currency and increasing the value of Chinese currency. One time service fees can be implemented by the lender and the Switzerland world bank but no more interest payments.
This system could truly make central banks obsolete as well as interest payments.
Solutions, Solutions, Solutions, if you don't have one you are part of the problem.
ScatManDoo
08-24-20, 17:53
The Federal Reserve has a President appointed By the World Bank No matter how many times you repeat this stupidity, it still remains untrue.
There is no President of the Federal Reserve.
ScatManDoo even joking about assassinating someone is a crime, apparently something else you are clearly unaware of.You are clearly unaware that there is no President of the Federal Reserve. If I tell you to go assassinate Fred Flintstone, are you going to try to threaten to get me arrested for that?
I know this is a shocking revelation but Please check the internet or any other reputable source before making any more foolish comments about the validity of what is written here.
Please people educate yourselves before speaking or sharing your opinions.
Now the gloves come off and I will make you look like the foolish person you really are.
ScatManDoo nothing in the Oliver Stone series is a conspiracy they are all just "facts" of the heinous stuff the American government has done over the years that they have been controlled by the United Nations, World Bank, and International Monetary Fund. If you can prove otherwise then in The USA you can take him and the producers to court and sue them. I guess you are not too familiar with the legal system either.I guess the "Master Attorney" using the handle Master Monger, does not know much, if anything, about the legal context of "standing". I wound not have the standing needed to succeed in such a lawsuit.
ScatManDoo
08-24-20, 19:28
The Federal Reserve has a President appointed By the World Bank The Federal Reserve has no officer with the title President.
Got it McFly?
ScatManDoo you are Pretty disgusting to repost my old post when I clearly explained the situation of how the World bank chooses the Board of Governors in one of my latest posts.You have not clearly explained (or even stated) who the current President of the Federal Reserve it.
Who is it McFly?
You mean rant incomplete, or in process?You are right. My rant is incomplete. Let's say my rant is suspended until Master Monger writes something so stupid that I am compelled to speak up once again. Which just happened again, but I too tired from his last spout of nonsense that I am passing up this one.
Are we to do what you say, and not what you did?Do whatever you wish. Henceforth, I'll try to make my words and actions more consistent. Master Monger's idiocy makes that a challenge.
Master Monger
08-25-20, 04:11
No matter how many times you repeat this stupidity, it still remains untrue.
Got it McFly?
There is no President of the Federal Reserve.
I wound not have the standing needed to succeed in such a lawsuit.
ScatManDoo your problem resembles that of many Americans! You base your world off of opinions and feelings rather than facts.
The Fact is the Federal Reserve is not a government agency, it does not have government employees and it does not get any funding from the government. Those are facts and no matter how much you whine about the word "Federal" in the title or the fact that the President of the United States can pick it's officers from a list of names will never change that.
"Got it McFly?" Is a perfect example of your world being based on opinion and emotion rather than fact.
MasterMonger = McFly "I agree".
ScatManDoo = Biff "I also agree".
It amazes me that the movie "Back to the Future" has made such an impression on your life. Although thinking about your intelligence level it actually makes sense why you quote movies over literature.
You identify with Biff so in your opinion McFly is an insult but the fact is that McFly was the victor, the hero, the one who ended up being successful so you calling me McFly is a compliment you retarded Neanderthal.
President is a direct synonym with Chairman so you can call Jerome Powell either one because they mean the same thing. Guess you need to learn English too.
https://www.freethesaurus.com/president
Maybe you wouldn't have the standing to sue because you are not an American citizen, or at least I can hope. Although as an American citizens you would have the standing to sue anyone who falsely defames the United States.
Got it Biff?
Now, George90 please tell me which college you went to so I can have them blackballed. I don't support any college who teachers their students to turn to insults when they are clearly losing and have no "standing" whatsoever.
George90 - " Well you, You are a, you are a poopy head."
Sorry man some people are just born stupid bro, complain to God not me.
You two keep responding and I will keep making you look stupid for opening your mouths.
No more political parties! No More Federal Reserve! No More biased News Media!
Write "No Confidence" on your Presidential ballot this year and tell the news you are doing exactly that!
In 2017 the Supreme Court made it clear to the public it has no influence over the electoral college anyway so your vote really doesn't matter!
Write "No Confidence" across your ballot do we can see how many people agree with the state of our government.
ScatManDoo
08-25-20, 04:53
You are right. My rant is incomplete. Let's say my rant is suspended until Master Monger writes something so stupid that I am compelled to speak up once again. Which just happened again, but I too tired from his last spout of nonsense that I am passing up this one.This is probably what you meant about writing something stupid:
Jerome Powell has been on the Board of Governors since 2012, long before Trump even thought about being President.I'm wondering if Master Monger is maybe 16 years old-a violation of the website.
How else could you explain Master Monger not recalling that Donald Trump ran in the 2000 United States Presidental Election. Donald Trump "considered" running for president about half a dozen times before year 2015. Most memorable was the 2000 election where the Donald actively sought the nomination from the Reform Party (but quitter Donald lost that party's nomination in 2000 to Pat Bucanan).
ScatManDoo
08-25-20, 18:22
"Got it McFly?" Is a perfect example of your world being based on opinion and emotion rather than fact.I referred to you as McFly because that character is widely recognized for not understanding how foolish and clueless he appears to everybody.
President is a direct synonym with Chairman so you can call Jerome Powell either one because they mean the same thing. Guess you need to learn English too.You should send an emergency memo right away to Microsoft's chairman John W Thompson and Microsoft's president, Brad Smith that they are simply synonyms for each other without distinct and separate job titles, separate and distinct responsibilities, separate and distinct authorities and without different wives.
And that goes for the 1,000's of other top heavy corporations worldwide with these both these bloated with redundant offices that have two different people assigned to, with each getting paid to perform essentially in the same position.
Master Monger
08-25-20, 19:41
I'm wondering if Master Monger is maybe 16 years old-a violation of the website.
How else could you explain Master Monger not recalling that Donald Trump ran in the 2000 United States Presidental Election. Donald Trump "considered" running for president about half a dozen times before year 2015. Most memorable was the 2000 election where the Donald actively sought the nomination from the Reform Party (but quitter Donald lost that party's nomination in 2000 to Pat Bucanan).I have been posting on this website for over 16 years nimrod. Click on my name click view all posts. I am one of the founding members who enjoys a free lifetime membership. Back then we were a brotherhood sharing information in detail to help each other find cheap or free sex. Now you have to RTFF for an hour before you get any valuable information and this is because there are too many people making money off this website by providing misinformation and jacking up the prices. So now I just ask the local taxi drivers. I speak 6 languages so it is pretty easy for me to blend into the local culture of most countries.
Nobody who isn't a diehard Apprentice fan would know Trump tried to get a presidential nomination back in 2000. I am an apprentice fan and have all the seasons on DVD and I didn't know that. But since you are such a semantics guy I could argue that without being nominated you could only dream about being President because a dream is thought that doesn't have a good chance of coming true. Although I really didn't know he tried to get nominated for the reform party.
Nice try at misdirection though, because you know I am completely right about everything I have written and now you are grasping at straws trying to recover some dignity. Sorry bro, ain't going to happen.
Got it Biff?
Again my fellow Americans write no confidence across your presidential ballot this year so the government knows we have had enough and something has to change!
ScatManDoo
08-25-20, 20:25
Now you have to RTFF for an hour before you get any valuable information and this is because there are too many people making money off this website by providing misinformation and jacking up the prices. So now I just ask the local taxi drivers. I speak 6 languages so it is pretty easy for me to...Get confused, and post in stupid lunatic fashion, like this:
Jerome Powell has been on the Board of Governors since 2012, long before Trump even thought about being President. But for big laughs, there's nothing like part of your golden oldie post from two weeks ago:
IIf a person wants to become a politician but still can't afford the campaign they can anonymously crowd fund through the government run website that is providing the free advertising. The money can only be used to cover expenses related to the campaign such as offices, phone lines, hotels and venues, which will be reimbursed from their crowd funding accounts when the government is presented with receipts. Any additional money after the campaign goes back to the government to help pay for the free advertising and other services.
Boom! Did I just solve government corruption in every country around the world in 6 sentences?
If you disagree, please tell me specifically why you disagree.
ScatManDoo
08-25-20, 21:57
Nobody who isn't a diehard Apprentice fan would know Trump tried to get a presidential nomination back in 2000. Hundreds of millions of people who read and write in English.
Appear to have a head start over you in knowledge about Donald Trump.
I am an apprentice fan and have all the seasons on DVD and I didn't know that. But since you are such a semantics guy I could argue that without being nominated you could only dream about being President because a dream is thought that doesn't have a good chance of coming true. Although I really didn't know he tried to get nominated for the reform party.
Nice try at misdirection though, because you know I am completely right about everything I have written and now you are grasping at straws trying to recover some dignity. Sorry bro, ain't going to happen.
Got it Biff?McFly.
Someone who repeatedly, incorrectly used the wrong title to the head of the Federal Reserve is no where near "Completely right about everything I have written".
Someone who repeatedly, incorrectly says the United States Government cannot print or create their own money is no where near "Completely right about everything I have written".
Someone who repeatedly, incorrectly says "the Federal Reserve has a President appointed By the World Bank" is no where near "Completely right about everything I have written".
Someone who declares in their writing "Boom! Did I just solve government corruption in every country around the world in 6 sentences?" is ROTFLMAO hilarious, in McFly clueless fashion, about believing he is "Completely right about everything I have written".
Look master moron. You are not the first guy to spend most of his life not paying much attention to politics. Then you watch one schlocky undercover documentary-like movie, and suddenly think you have the whole system figured out.
At some point in the last 15 years, while I was out mongering, the world just stopped caring about facts.29 years ago I saw the Oliver Stone directed film called "JFK" with my dinglebat ex-wife when it was in movie theatres.
The movie made my dipshit wife convinced that JFK's assassination was not done by one guy and / or with a few guys help.
Instead she became convinced that there several thousand in-the-know active co-conspirators in the vast "military industrial complex" that took active roles in President Kennedy's slaying.
I found that Oliver Stone movie to highly speculative and not at all believable since if things had happened as outlined in that movie, the predictable whistle blowing from first-hand participants would have deafening.
Bottom line. People will vote to protect and / or to further their interests. That is the bottom line. The majority of Electoral College delegates will elect the winner. That is the system.
I personally believe the silent majority will come out and re-elect Trump. Trump voters will not be shouted down. Most Americans are appalled at the lawlessness rioters and do not support defunding the police. Rioters, gutless mayors and governors have made it easier to vote for Trump than for Biden.
The thought Biden will be beholden to Bernie's far left agenda is enough to scare enough voters over to Trump's side. The lesser of two evils.
I doubt if there will ever be a Boy Scout as a presidential candidate. Voting will always be for the lesser of two evils.Well said, DG!
Biden is like Jimmy Carter 2. 0.
The guy is a buffoon and is / was Obama's valet. The white uncle tom. You already know what this guy is going to cater to and do. It is so predictable.
The result will be a lopsidedness in the other direction. More money and taxes will leave the country and you will have more of the same negativity yet no more white knights on dark horses to set you free.
Bottom line is shit is fucked up unless we find a very hip president with a knack for international relations and economic affairs.Well said, Artist.
Master Monger
08-26-20, 07:35
Hundreds of millions of people who read and write in English.
Appear to have a head start over you in knowledge about Donald Trump.Why would care about insignificant news of Trump not being nominated 20 years ago?
Someone who repeatedly, incorrectly used the wrong title to the head of the Federal Reserve is no where near "Completely right about everything I have written".It is a synonym ScatManDooDoo, so I could also call you ScatManPooPoo or ScatManShit and everyone would still know I am talking about you. Get a life!
Someone who repeatedly, incorrectly says the United States Government cannot print or create their own money is no where near "Completely right about everything I have written". You show us proof ScatManCrap! They can demand electronic currency be printed out but the government has to pay the treasury to print it. Otherwise, it is at the complete discretion of the Federal Reserve which is the USA central bank and NOT a government agency.
Someone who repeatedly, incorrectly says "the Federal Reserve has a President appointed By the World Bank" is no where near "Completely right about everything I have written".
Someone who declares in their writing "Boom! Did I just solve government corruption in every country around the world in 6 sentences?" is ROTFLMAO hilarious, in McFly clueless fashion, about believing he is "Completely right about everything I have written".
Look master moron. You are not the first guy to spend most of his life not paying much attention to politics. Then you watch one schlocky undercover documentary-like movie, and suddenly think you have the whole system figured out. I get it ScatManFeces it is hard to accept that most everything you thought you knew about your government is not true. That your vote doesn't matter, that the government is actually being controlled by the rich and powerful people of the world. Not wanting to believe it doesn't make it any less true. Instead of focusing your anger on me why don't you do some deep dive research and find out I am right or provide us with proof that I am wrong. I would love to be wrong about what I know about the government.
29 years ago I saw the Oliver Stone directed film called "JFK" with my dinglebat ex-wife when it was in movie theatres.
The movie made my dipshit wife convinced that JFK's assassination was not done by one guy and / or with a few guys help.
Instead she became convinced that there several thousand in-the-know active co-conspirators in the vast "military industrial complex" that took active roles in President Kennedy's slaying.
I found that Oliver Stone movie to highly speculative and not at all believable since if things had happened as outlined in that movie, the predictable whistle blowing from first-hand participants would have deafening.ScatManExcrement are you comparing a fictional movie to a factual documentary? Is that really what you are doing right now? I mean I don't think anyone would attempt to do such imbecilic comparison so I must just be misreading what you wrote.
ScatManTurd if you think me using a synonym and not knowing and insignificant piece of news about Trump from 20 years ago then that is your right as an American. Doesn't make it true though.
Please do more research! Learn how the government actually works and write: "No Confidence" across your presidential ballot this November! Once we accept the truth we then have the responsibility to try and change things so they are better for our children!
Here is a little riddle about a problem with America. What health care plan costs only $145 initially and then only $35 every ten years after that but reduces your health care costs by about 90%?
A passport. Insulin in other countries is like $5 a shot, a trip the hospital might cost you $50 and any medicine from pain medication to antibiotics will only cost you much less than a dollar a pill. Sometimes as little as a penny a pill!
ScatManDoo
08-26-20, 21:38
Why would care about insignificant news of Trump not being nominated 20 years ago?Only because you stupidly wrote this:
Jerome Powell has been on the Board of Governors since 2012, long before Trump even thought about being President.I doubled over in laughter the moment I read your ignorant sentence about Trump's length of interest in the Presidency.
Since there was no prior discussion going on about Trump's prior interest in the Presidency.
You wrote something that can be easily seen as essentially an unforced error.
Rookie.
It is a synonym ScatManDooDoo, so I could also call you ScatManPooPoo or ScatManShit and everyone would still know I am talking about you. Get a life!h!No need to be redundant:
"scatology (usually abbreviated scat) refers to coprophilia, when a person is sexually aroused by fecal matter, whether in the use of feces in various sexual acts, watching someone defecating, or simply seeing the feces". https://en.m.wikipedia.org wiki.
The man calls himself scat and he takes a close interest in your sh*t, master monger. Live with it.
ScatManDoo
09-05-20, 20:07
When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that "the helicopter couldn't fly" and that the Secret Service wouldn't drive him there. Neither claim was true.
Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, "Why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers." In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as "suckers" for getting killed.
Prior to Labor Day Weekend, Trump had appeared to be gaining some ground on Joe Biden in polls during most of August. In other words, the election appeared to be tightening up, much like it had in 2016.
Something like this recent disclosure, which sounds completely consistent with the types of things Donald Trump has said in the past, might be just the type of thing that stops Trump's forward progress.
I thought the same thing about the Hollywood Access tape released by the Washington Post on 10/7/16. And that was an actual videotape, not a disputed quote.
When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that "the helicopter couldn't fly" and that the Secret Service wouldn't drive him there. Neither claim was true.
Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, "Why should I go to that cemetery? It's filled with losers." In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as "suckers" for getting killed.
Prior to Labor Day Weekend, Trump had appeared to be gaining some ground on Joe Biden in polls during most of August. In other words, the election appeared to be tightening up, much like it had in 2016.
Something like this recent disclosure, which sounds completely consistent with the types of things Donald Trump has said in the past, might be just the type of thing that stops Trump's forward progress.
I thought the same thing about the Hollywood Access tape released by the Washington Post on 10/7/16. And that was an actual videotape, not a disputed quote.Michael Cohen has a book coming out soon too, and that can't help. I know he's a liar and a cheat himself, but you are the company you keep. He took a fall for Trump who turned his back on him. Now Cohen is angry and seeks revenge by spilling secrets. I have not bought or read any of the other anti-Trump books, but I expect this one to be good!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/michael-cohen-book-trump-white-house/index.html
ScatManDoo
09-10-20, 22:02
Michael Cohen has a book coming out soon too, and that can't help. I know he's a liar and a cheat himself, but you are the company you keep. He took a fall for Trump who turned his back on him. Now Cohen is angry and seeks revenge by spilling secrets. I have not bought or read any of the other anti-Trump books, but I expect this one to be good!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/michael-cohen-book-trump-white-house/index.htmlApparently Rupert Murdoch believes his own poling and apparently has decided to unhitch his wagon from Trump's dwindling caravan.
It has been reported this week that Trump and Murdoch had a shouting match over the phone. Going at it like putas fighting in HK.
ScatManDoo
10-02-20, 07:01
Getting infected with COVID is a great failure for President Trump.
He got it as a result of his choices, despite having a great responsibility, and unlimited resources, to not get sick.
ScatManDoo
10-02-20, 07:10
I think it is ironic that on Tuesday the Trumpster probably caught COVID while riding on an airplane with maskless passengers.
And then two days later, on Thursday, 45,000 airline industry employees get furloughed on a single day when pandemic aid to that industry is not granted for October & beyond.
ScatManDoo
10-02-20, 20:45
The median time it takes from the first symptoms of COVID-19 to death is 18.5 days.
According to a study according to a studu published in the Lancet.
https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/covid-19-symptoms-progress-death-3536264/#text=22%20 days%20 was%20 the%20 time%20 from%20 first%20 symptom, viral%20 shedding%2 see%20 starting%20 at%20 first%20 day%20 of%20 symptoms.
I think Doctor Fauci is getting the last laugh.
ScatManDoo
10-02-20, 23:50
If I was a writer for Saturday Night Live.
On tomorrow night's season opener of SNL.
My cold opening would be.
Joe & Kamala visiting Trump at Walter Reed Hospital.
In the newly renovated special Presidential BubbleBoy Suite.
Getting infected with COVID is a great failure for President Trump.
He got it as a result of his choices, despite having a great responsibility, and unlimited resources, to not get sick.It's all a hoax! Fake news!
Getting infected with COVID is a great failure for President Trump.
He got it as a result of his choices, despite having a great responsibility, and unlimited resources, to not get sick.No, it's not a failure, it's a success! Just as when Bolsonaro got it and showed how ridiculously harmless COVID-19 is. It only strengthens his point that it's nothing to worry about.
I think it is ironic that on Tuesday the Trumpster probably caught COVID while riding on an airplane with maskless passengers.
And then two days later, on Thursday, 45,000 airline industry employees get furloughed on a single day when pandemic aid to that industry is not granted for October & beyond.Sounds like you're promoting fake news, that's the only irony that I see.
The median time it takes from the first symptoms of COVID-19 to death is 18.5 days.
According to a study according to a studu published in the Lancet.
https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/covid-19-symptoms-progress-death-3536264/#text=22%20 days%20 was%20 the%20 time%20 from%20 first%20 symptom, viral%20 shedding%2 see%20 starting%20 at%20 first%20 day%20 of%20 symptoms.
I think Doctor Fauci is getting the last laugh.Nah, Trump will get the last laugh. It's a great victory for him to have had it and survived without any serious symptoms. This only proves Trump right.
ScatManDoo
10-04-20, 00:38
No, it's not a failure, it's a success! Just as when Bolsonaro got it and showed how ridiculously harmless COVID-19 is. It only strengthens his point that it's nothing to worry about.His helicopter ride to the hospital yesterday was great photo op displaying the harmlessness of COVID-19.
Idiota.
ScatManDoo
10-04-20, 23:47
Nah, Trump will get the last laugh. It's a great victory for him to have had it and survived without any serious symptoms. This only proves Trump right.With the truth out now that The Donald has been given oxygen treatments for two consecutive days when he oxygen levels got too low.
Hope he gets a last laugh. Really I do.
I hope Donald lives long enough to collect his government pension.
ScatManDoo
10-05-20, 00:16
If I wish to visit any grocery store in Orange County California, I am required to wear a mask.
Visitors to & employees in the White House have no mask requirement.
Talk about stupid.
ScatManDoo
10-05-20, 00:34
Nah, Trump will get the last laugh. It's a great victory for him to have had it and survived without any serious symptoms. This only proves Trump right.Trump has already provided the "survived without any serious symptoms" script to his personal spin doctor Sean Conley.
You will need to watch something other than Fox News to find out the real truth about (campaign trail) Trump's health.
Why don't you try to round up a bunch of obese male Covid survivors in their seventies and interview them about their lack of serious symptoms (If you can find any).
Nah, Trump will get the last laugh. It's a great victory for him to have had it and survived without any serious symptoms. This only proves Trump right.Now you're making me laugh. Survived? 3 days? It's a bit early to talk about survival or symptoms or whatever. But I don't doubt they're getting his body double ready to fill in if he goes into a coma or is on a ventilator.
Trump has already provided the "survived without any serious symptoms" script to his personal spin doctor Sean Conley.
You will need to watch something other than Fox News to find out the real truth about (campaign trail) Trump's health.
Why don't you try to round up a bunch of obese male Covid survivors in their seventies and interview them about their lack of serious symptoms (If you can find any).It's documented that Trump has had a high fever and blood oxygen level drops. I'd agree that he gets the last laugh if he's re-elected. We will see.
Trump has already provided the "survived without any serious symptoms" script to his personal spin doctor Sean Conley.
You will need to watch something other than Fox News to find out the real truth about (campaign trail) Trump's health.
Why don't you try to round up a bunch of obese male Covid survivors in their seventies and interview them about their lack of serious symptoms (If you can find any).You're kidding me right? He survived this without any problems at all. He didn't even need to go to the hospital, he only did because the doctors twisted his arm and did their best to scare him.
This only proves how tame the virus is when the President, a man in his mid seventies with some extra pounds, survives it without any serious symptoms.
If he wasn't the President he wouldn't even have gone to the hospital. He could walk by himself and talk by himself without any problems, just look at the pictures and videos.
You should watch Fox News instead of FNN / CNN.
His helicopter ride to the hospital yesterday was great photo op displaying the harmlessness of COVID-19.
Idiota.I agree completely, nothing more than a flu.
Idiota.
Now you're making me laugh. Survived? 3 days? It's a bit early to talk about survival or symptoms or whatever. But I don't doubt they're getting his body double ready to fill in if he goes into a coma or is on a ventilator.LOL, you got your tinfoil hat on?
Trump survived this weak virus without any problems.
I agree completely, nothing more than a flu.
Idiota.Shoo Bree, a Swede whose country sacrificed the lives 5000+ of it's citizens, 11 times the per capita death rate of it's neighbor Norway chasing herd immunity is always eager to play damage control, on whatever ISG thread will have him. But that's a lot of carnage in Sweden for an ill advised and failed strategy. For a long time their Nordic neighbors barred the Swedes from entry, and of course for good reason. Responsibility for the same is with guys like Trump, and his sidekick quack radiologist Scott Atlas who have minimized the Covid situation and discouraged the public health measures that work, as the death toll in the US tops 209,000 and counting. Trump had a high fever and needed oxygen. Plus he isn't out of the woods yet, for even if he gets over the initial hump there's some evidence of long term effects from Covid.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/serious-coronavirus-related-inflammatory-condition-among-children-reported-adults-cdc
I'll admit that Trump can get a last laugh of sorts if he's re-elected, but that's far from a sure thing. There's no laughing now while 209,000+ Americans are dead with more on the way. Same can be said for the 5000+ Swedish lives needlessly lost. Enjoy the attachment.
ScatManDoo
10-05-20, 21:29
You're kidding me right? He survived this without any problems at all. He didn't even need to go to the hospital, he only did because the doctors twisted his arm and did their best to scare him.
This only proves how tame the virus is when the President, a man in his mid seventies with some extra pounds, survives it without any serious symptoms.
If he wasn't the President he wouldn't even have gone to the hospital. He could walk by himself and talk by himself without any problems, just look at the pictures and videos.
You should watch Fox News instead of FNN / CNN.FNN stopped broadcasting 29 years ago. But we can see from your comments that you live in the past.
Here's what's really happening:
Donald Trump repeatedly asked "am I going to die?" as he fell sick with coronavirus, it was claimed.
Reports in America say the US President, 74, feared the same fate as a friend who died from the disease.
It is claimed he said: "Am I going out like Stan Chera? Am I?
That is the real scoop.
Chera, a long-time supporter, died aged 77 in April in New York.
Leaving Trump to cry like a small child as he awaited his helicopter ride to the hospital.
Shoo Bree, a Swede whose country sacrificed the lives 5000+ of it's citizens, 11 times the per capita death rate of it's neighbor Norway chasing herd immunity is always eager to play damage control, on whatever ISG thread will have him. But that's a lot of carnage in Sweden for an ill advised and failed strategy. For a long time their Nordic neighbors barred the Swedes from entry, and of course for good reason. Responsibility for the same is with guys like Trump, and his sidekick quack radiologist Scott Atlas who have minimized the Covid situation and discouraged the public health measures that work, as the death toll in the US tops 209,000 and counting. Trump had a high fever and needed oxygen. Plus he isn't out of the woods yet, for even if he gets over the initial hump there's some evidence of long term effects from Covid.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/serious-coronavirus-related-inflammatory-condition-among-children-reported-adults-cdc
I'll admit that Trump can get a last laugh of sorts if he's re-elected, but that's far from a sure thing. There's no laughing now while 209,000+ Americans are dead with more on the way. Same can be said for the 5000+ Swedish lives needlessly lost. Enjoy the attachment.LMFAO, don't forget about the 32000 lives needlessly lost in France or the close to 10000 lives needlessly lost in Germany.
They died because they were weak and they would have died anyways sooner rather than later. That's notable in the statistics, there are now less deaths than normal. Anyways, this is the place to discuss American Politics, so you better keep to the subject.
The lockdowns failed big time and that's obvious to everyone except for the Trump haters. It's disgusting how they politicized C19. The result from the lockdowns? More lockdowns. The worst affected countries all had lockdowns, talk about failures. One could have thought that if lockdowns worked so well the country without it would have the worst statistics. That's not the case.
Anyways, if you don't want C19 don't leave your house, let the rest of us live our lives.
We should ALL be as lucky as Trump to get that REGAL medical care which the majority of us won't have access to. Or do we all get to be air lifted to Walter Reed Hospital?
We should ALL be as lucky as Trump to get that REGAL medical care which the majority of us won't have access to. Or do we all get to be air lifted to Walter Reed Hospital?And 20 million Americans won't have access when they lose their insurance under the Affordable Care Act, also known as "Obamacare", which Trump and his rich friends want to take away from them at the first opportunity (while offering no viable alternative).
Yes, with Covid-19 there's often more at stake than life and death. Loss of the quality of life is a significant issue indeed. Sadly those who are only glued to the Fox Entertainment Network are missing a lot of pertinent information.
"Chicago (WLS) -- A COVID-19 study conducted by Northwestern Medicine shows 82 percent of patients hospitalized with coronavirus experience neurological symptoms during the course of the disease.
The study looked at 509 COVID-19 patients at Northwestern Medicine hospitals in the Chicago area.
The most frequent neurological symptoms were muscle pain, headaches, and encephalopathy or altered brain functions, which range from mild confusion to being in a coma.
'This is the first study of its kind in the United States,' says Igor Koralnik, MD, chief of neuro-infectious diseases and global neurology in the Ken & Ruth Davee Department of Neurology at Northwestern Medicine, who also oversees the Neuro COVID-19 Clinic at Northwestern Memorial Hospital. 'There are only two other published papers describing the prevalence of neurological manifestations in hospitalized COVID-19 patients in China and Europe. Our research group spent the summer performing chart reviews on the first 509 patients hospitalized for COVID-19 within the Northwestern Medicine health system, and our findings show neurological manifestations are very common in these patients. '.
The study also shows more than two thirds of the patients who experienced altered brain function were unable to take care of themselves in the days after being discharged from the hospital.
'We are now looking to characterize the long-term neurologic effects of COVID-19 and the cognitive outcomes in patients with COVID-19-associated encephalopathy," says Dr. Koralnik. "We're studying this in patients who are discharged from the hospital, as well as in COVID-19 'long-haulers,' who have never been hospitalized but also suffer from a similar range of neurological problems, including brain fog.'"
https://abc7chicago.com/covid-19-symptoms-of-coronavirus/6785487/
The lockdowns failed big time and that's obvious to everyone except for the Trump haters. It's disgusting how they politicized C19. The result from the lockdowns? More lockdowns. The worst affected countries all had lockdowns, talk about failures. One could have thought that if lockdowns worked so well the country without it would have the worst statistics. That's not the case. Anyways, if you don't want C19 don't leave your house, let the rest of us live our lives.Does anyone actually believe there would have been a lower death count with a Democrat in the Oval Office? Or anyone other than Trump? What we're witnessing is systemic failure. Corporations have long ago usurped the power of life and death. Doesn't make a difference who's the Figurehead-in-Chief.
We should ALL be as lucky as Trump to get that REGAL medical care which the majority of us won't have access to. Or do we all get to be air lifted to Walter Reed Hospital?Ford, 93; Carter, 94 and counting; Reagan, 93; Bush I, 94. The true test will be how long they can keep Clinton as a sentient corpse.
But still not as good as British medical care does on its Royals: some of them top out at a hundred.
Shoo Bree, a Swede whose country sacrificed the lives 5000+ of it's citizens, 11 times the per capita death rate of it's neighbor Norway chasing herd immunity is always eager to play damage control, on whatever ISG thread will have him. But that's a lot of carnage in Sweden for an ill advised and failed strategy. For a long time their Nordic neighbors barred the Swedes from entry, and of course for good reason. Responsibility for the same is with guys like Trump, and his sidekick quack radiologist Scott Atlas who have minimized the Covid situation and discouraged the public health measures that work, as the death toll in the US tops 209,000 and counting. Trump had a high fever and needed oxygen. Plus he isn't out of the woods yet, for even if he gets over the initial hump there's some evidence of long term effects from Covid.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/serious-coronavirus-related-inflammatory-condition-among-children-reported-adults-cdc
I'll admit that Trump can get a last laugh of sorts if he's re-elected, but that's far from a sure thing. There's no laughing now while 209,000+ Americans are dead with more on the way. Same can be said for the 5000+ Swedish lives needlessly lost. Enjoy the attachment.Well you liberals had 4 years to come up with a strong candidate. This is what you got? Name one thing he has done to help the American people. I'll wait.
The lockdowns failed big time and that's obvious to everyone except for the Trump haters. It's disgusting how they politicized C19. The result from the lockdowns? More lockdowns. The worst affected countries all had lockdowns, talk about failures. One could have thought that if lockdowns worked so well the country without it would have the worst statistics. That's not the case..The West failed lockdowns or no lockdowns. Asia, where I'm lucky enough to live has shown the world how to deal with pandemics. Why? Because they have solid public health policies and plans for dealing with pandemics. Completely lacking in the west. Yes, lockdowns worked very well here. And so did starting containment measures when the first case was identified.
In addition Asians tend to be more considerate of one another most of the time. And have no problem putting on masks and showing a little consideration for others.
FNN stopped broadcasting 29 years ago. But we can see from your comments that you live in the past.
Here's what's really happening:
Donald Trump repeatedly asked "am I going to die?" as he fell sick with coronavirus, it was claimed.
Reports in America say the US President, 74, feared the same fate as a friend who died from the disease.
It is claimed he said: "Am I going out like Stan Chera? Am I?
That is the real scoop.
Chera, a long-time supporter, died aged 77 in April in New York.
Leaving Trump to cry like a small child as he awaited his helicopter ride to the hospital.I see that you prefer fake news from Trump haters over the truth, you couldn't even help yourself from distorting an already obvious lie.
The truth is simple, Trump didn't even need to go the hospital but did it anyways since no doctor wants to be blamed for the death of the President. Just a question of overly cautious doctors. The proof is in the pics&vids.
Yes, with Covid-19 there's often more at stake than life and death. Loss of the quality of life is a significant issue indeed. Sadly those who are only glued to the Fox Entertainment Network are missing a lot of pertinent information.
"Chicago (WLS) -- A COVID-19 study conducted by Northwestern Medicine shows 82 percent of patients hospitalized with coronavirus experience neurological symptoms during the course of the disease.
The study looked at 509 COVID-19 patients at Northwestern Medicine hospitals in the Chicago area.
The most frequent neurological symptoms were muscle pain, headaches, and encephalopathy or altered brain functions, which range from mild confusion to being in a coma.
'This is the first study of its kind in the United States,' says Igor Koralnik, MD, chief of neuro-infectious diseases and global neurology in the Ken & Ruth Davee Department of Neurology at Northwestern Medicine, who also oversees the Neuro COVID-19 Clinic at Northwestern Memorial Hospital. 'There are only two other published papers describing the prevalence of neurological manifestations in hospitalized COVID-19 patients in China and Europe. Our research group spent the summer performing chart reviews on the first 509 patients hospitalized for COVID-19 within the Northwestern Medicine health system, and our findings show neurological manifestations are very common in these patients.Can you name one footballer that needed to retire after contracting C19? Neymar just had it and scored two goals this weekend. Just out of curiosity, how many goals would he have scored if he didn't contract C19?
ScatManDoo
10-06-20, 07:08
I think it is ironic that on Tuesday the Trumpster probably caught COVID while riding on an airplane with maskless passengers.
And then two days later, on Thursday, 45,000 airline industry employees get furloughed on a single day when pandemic aid to that industry is not granted for October & beyond.
Sounds like you're promoting fake news, that's the only irony that I see.What was fake about what I wrote?
Should I have used the word "laidoff" instead of "furloughed"?
I thought either word sounded better than saying many of the major airlines told their regular workers to "go fuck off and fend for themselves" since the handouts ended in September.
The West failed lockdowns or no lockdowns. Asia, where I'm lucky enough to live has shown the world how to deal with pandemics. Why? Because they have solid public health policies and plans for dealing with pandemics. Completely lacking in the west. Yes, lockdowns worked very well here. And so did starting containment measures when the first case was identified.
In addition Asians tend to be more considerate of one another most of the time. And have no problem putting on masks and showing a little consideration for others.Is that right? Then how about Asians show some consideration and keep their viruses to themselves?
You Trump supporters are so out of touch! The markets are going up because the polls are widening significantly in Bidens favor and the market is up because it appears a blue wave is going to take place which means Democrats take the Senate and Presidency and they already control the house. This will mean trade deals will be more easily passed. Check out JP Morgan's report from yesterday. If you do not believe that, look at how much clean energy stocks are up and coal and oil is down. Enjoy the next 30 days because it might not end well for you.
Well you liberals had 4 years to come up with a strong candidate. This is what you got? Name one thing he has done to help the American people. I'll wait.First, "the L word" prerogative / label "you liberals" bit doesn't get you far as it lacks in any substance. I'm personally a moderate that voted for Reagan and McCain, plus Haley Barbour twice when I lived in Mississippi. And the American people were helped substantially when they were lifted out of the Great Recession which started in 2008, the worst economic situation since the Great Depression. Biden of course was part of that administration. And ultimately an excellent economy was handed off to Trump. Now of course you can dig up some Faux News talking points, pull out all sorts of lame and debunked conspiracy theories, but the aforementioned facts are simply facts so your question was answered. In fact that's an easy one, in spite of Trump's bluster.
Reminds me of conservatives whining all during the Clinton years because the president got a BJ. This in spite of the fact that we had an excellent economy and a balanced budget. Trump surely can't say that as the debt has mushroomed on his watch. Many conservatives just tend to skip relevant news to race bait like talking about the black on black crime in Chicago which is typically drug related. It's like a big so what. The same thing was going on with Italians in the 1920's and 30's with alcohol and heroin. Or looters while failing to acknowledge that the vast majority of protestors associated with BLM events have been peaceful. Half-truths often are as misleading as complete lies. The same Faux News fans love pushing family values and Christianity while they are the biggest mongers of all. OK whatever. Lolol.
Beavis we have had some good chats. I wish you well, and be sure to send in your absentee ballot. First and foremost I want all eligible voters voting.
Trump leaves the hospital, flies in, ascends the WH steps even though this is not his normal entrance, stands on the balcony, and removes his mash while highly contagious spewing his germs into the air. He poses for his photo ops then goes in the WH maskless. What a sick, self-absorbed fuck. As I said, it's not about Dems and Repubs anymore, libs or conservatives, but about ending this circus, getting this guy out of power and back squawking on the sidelines where he belongs. No matter you affiliation that's a step in the right direction.
the west failed lockdowns or no lockdowns. Asia, where i'm lucky enough to live has shown the world how to deal with pandemics. Why? Because they have solid public health policies and plans for dealing with pandemics. Completely lacking in the west. Yes, lockdowns worked very well here. And so did starting containment measures when the first case was identified.
In addition asians tend to be more considerate of one another most of the time. And have no problem putting on masks and showing a little consideration for others.+1.
Bingo!
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