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{...Perplexed to the point of being vexed, by the U.S. GDP growth 4.9% as the U.S. economy's fast pace of growth, due to Bidenomics and the incredible vibrant US economy during President Biden brilliant stewardship, Elvis 2008, returns to his mystic hero from the east, Carnac, to seek answers....}
Hey Carnac "great mystic of the East",
Question: "Why are interest rates so high, even though Biden's economy is doing SO GREAT? Shouldn't the economy be tanking?" {...says the eager beaver Elvis 2008, asking his mystic hero}
Carnac answers: "Trump, Trump, Trump! I told you ALL answers would be Trump! Now go away!......Okay, but wait, wait a minute!!!" {...Carnac says as he scratches his mystic ass and thinks for a minute...}
Carnac then answers: "Hmmmmmmm! Yes...answer is still 'Trump'...but mystic spirits are telling me to add two (2) words, 'FED LACKEY'...Now go away! {...Carnac says a little miffed...}
Question: "Carnac...please wait, wait a minute...will I get my Biden RECESSION?" {...pleads Elvis 2008}
Carnac answers: I said, GO AWAY, before I lost my temper...silly man!!! {...and in a puff of smoke, he's gone, as Elvis 2008, sulks away, still perplexed and vex as ever...}
There you have it folks...the amazing Carnac! (...kkkk!)
GDP report shows US economy grew a strong 4.9% in the latest quarter as Fed mulls rate hikes
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/gdp-report-shows-us-economy-grew-a-strong-49-in-the-latest-quarter-as-fed-mulls-rate-hikes/ar-AA1iT8B1
Yes, indeed, Trump's FED lackey (Jerome Powell), again contemplates raising rates, at yet another MAGA "JP" attempt to dash the great, outstanding and amazing success Biden's economy is enjoying. Despite the historically 22-year high rates and an unprecedented (not scene since 2001), raising of the fed rate, 11x times (in less than 2 yrs), since Biden took office.
Truly, a Trumpian, nihilist attempt, by the Trump FED lackey to sabotage the economy, is at its core, your answer for the sever rise in high interest rates.
PS: This is me circling back!Then why do Americans believe Republicans are better at handling the economy? By twenty-one percentage points?.
Do you think Americans are stupid?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna117330
Obama appointed Powell to the Fed. Biden reappointed him Chairman of the Fed. If you want to go after a suck ass Fed Chairman who was driven by politics instead of good sense, then G. William Miller, a Carter appointee, is your man. Actually Miller, arguably the worst Fed Chaiman in history, and his successor, Paul Volcker, arguably the best, are much more responsible for the state of the economy during the Carter and Reagan presidencies than the presidents themselves. This is a fact that escapes Tooms.
You do have to give Carter credit though. He did the right thing by replacing Miller with Volcker, even though he must have suspected it would torpedo his re-election prospects.
You realize real interest rates, the amount by which short term rates exceed inflation, are around the historic norm. You apparently want a Fed Chairman like Miller, who favors low rates, inflation be damned, as long as that helps his political party.
Then why do Americans believe Republicans are better at handling the economy? By twenty-one percentage points?.
Do you think Americans are stupid?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna117330
Obama appointed Powell to the Fed. Biden reappointed him Chairman of the Fed. If you want to go after a suck ass Fed Chairman who was driven by politics instead of good sense, then G. William Miller, a Carter appointee, is your man. Actually Miller, arguably the worst Fed Chaiman in history, and his successor, Paul Volcker, arguably the best, are much more responsible for the state of the economy during the Carter and Reagan presidencies than the presidents themselves. This is a fact that escapes Tooms.
You do have to give Carter credit though. He did the right thing by replacing Miller with Volcker, even though he must have suspected it would torpedo his re-election prospects.
You realize real interest rates, the amount by which short term rates exceed inflation, are around the historic norm. You apparently want a Fed Chairman like Miller, who favors low rates, inflation be damned, as long as that helps his political party.The answer to your question is simple. Yes, about what the "economy" is.
When they see the price of a gallon of gas over $6, they think "the economy" is bad.
When they see it at or below $2, they think "the economy" is good.
Nevermind that when gas is very cheap under Repubs it is likely because we are in the midst of another Great Repub Depression, Great Repub Recession or Massive Repub Jobs Destruction and when gas is much higher under Dems it is likely because we are in the midst of another Great Dem Recovery from the latter.
All they know is gas was cheaper under the Economy-Crashing Repub. MSM is there to make sure they never make the connection between those low gas prices and the fact that they just got laid off and have no paycheck to buy gas or go anywhere anyway.
Their fantasy, fueled by Repub Liars and their benefactors in MSM, is to have those low gas prices AND the tax cuts AND the jobs AND the higher wages AND no hyper-inflation AND no Great Recession, etc.
A free ride, in other words.
LOL. Mainstream Media will never make it as easily and widely known as it actually is that Repub policies and stewardship have produced and presided over every Great Economic Downturn and Massive Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years or so and NONE of the historic boom times and job gains vs Dem policies and stewardship producing and presiding over the exact opposite.
Latest example; MSM, Bill Maher, Bob Woodward and the rest are happy to keep the general public under the idiotic impression thar Trump's Pandemic was just this utterly unpredictable, surprise, out of nowhere thing that "just happened", that there was nothing Trump could have done to prevent, respond better to or greatly lessen it even though they know and knew through 2 election cycles that the economic damage done by it WAS the result of Trump's classic Repub philosophy and agenda for the.
And the classic Repub "economic" decisions he made in 2018,2019 and the lies he told through most of 2020.
Then why do Americans believe Republicans are better at handling the economy? By twenty-one percentage points?.
Do you think Americans are stupid?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna117330
Obama appointed Powell to the Fed. Biden reappointed him Chairman of the Fed. If you want to go after a suck ass Fed Chairman who was driven by politics instead of good sense, then G. William Miller, a Carter appointee, is your man. Actually Miller, arguably the worst Fed Chaiman in history, and his successor, Paul Volcker, arguably the best, are much more responsible for the state of the economy during the Carter and Reagan presidencies than the presidents themselves. This is a fact that escapes Tooms.
You do have to give Carter credit though. He did the right thing by replacing Miller with Volcker, even though he must have suspected it would torpedo his re-election prospects.
You realize real interest rates, the amount by which short term rates exceed inflation, are around the historic norm. You apparently want a Fed Chairman like Miller, who favors low rates, inflation be damned, as long as that helps his political party.Uh. A few steps you mysteriously omitted from your History of Fed Chairmen:
Yes, Carter realized Miller's approach to Fed Funds rates was wrong for the economy even if they might have been great for his re-election chances, so he dumped him after only 17 months on the job. Probably the shortest Fed Chairman tenure of all time. It is impossible to imagine a Ronnie Reagan or a Donald Trump making that decision for America heading into an election year. Impossible.
But it must be underscored that Carter is the one who "appointed" Volcker, yes, probably the best Fed Chairman ever. Volcker didn't merely "succeed" Miller as in some chain of command. Someone had to interview, vet and nominate his appointment for the job. Carter did that. Not Reagan. Carter.
Yes, thanks to Carter's appointee Volcker, the rate of inflation and the unemployment rate were already steadily declining almost a year before Reagan took office and, therefore, Volker's highly effective methods that were fully vetted and approved by Carter likely helped to prevent Reagan's Great Repub Recession and whopping 10 consecutive months of 10%+ Unemployment Rates as a result of Reagan's Repub policies and stewardship from lasting longer and crashing the economy even worse than they did. Kudos go to Carter and Volcker.
I have always acknowledged that. Never denied it.
Obama did not nominate and appoint Powell to be Fed Chairman. Trump did. I didn't see Trump's name popping up anywhere in your Historical Overview, so I thought somebody ought to mention it. Biden continued him as Fed Chairman for the obvious reason that one would not want to terrify brave free market Capitalists and drive them further under their beds in the midst of another Great Repub Economic Downturn by throwing them someone terrifyingly "unknown" as Fed Chairman.
Now, about that 22 point advantage in the polls for Repubs "handling the economy better than Dems". LOL. Yeah, that economic salespitch, otherwise known as total BS, that Repubs constantly throw up is so very compelling and attractive. As all cons are.
Imagine! Why, they're going to cut my taxes, cut spending, make government smaller, get the gub'ment off our backs and then great jobs with higher wages will just flow like crystal clear river water!
Damn. When there are plenty of jobs to be had, consumer spending is just roaring along so much the Fed is still not willing to say its efforts to cool down jobs creation and the economy are over, the unemployment rate is at or near a decades long low and I can sit back and fantasize about the ideal economic policies that have never, ever, not even for a nanosecond actually worked out that way in the real world, by god, that total Repub BS, utterly disproven academic theory con job even sounds pretty good to me. LOL.
However, despite Mainstream Media's herculean efforts to spin every Repub economic disaster as a "win" for their beloved Repubs and every historic positive Dem accomplishment also as a "win" for their beloved Repubs, which does indeed keep the horse race very close, here is what happens in the real world when Repub economic policies and stewardship results are typically crashing the economy around our ears and wiping out jobs by the millions during election periods, as they were in, say, 1932,1992, 2008 and 2020:
No sane person and certainly not the American electorate said, "Hey, I know which candidate and Party can pull us out of this mess! Repub Herbert Hoover! Or Repub GHW Bush! Or Repub John McCain! Or Repub Donald Trump"!
Nope. They sure didn't.
In fact, if the electorate is so convinced today that Repubs "handle the economy better than Dems", what happened to the Red Tsunami in November 2022, just 11 months ago and every special election since when the rate of inflation was higher or no better than it is today, same with gas prices, fewer jobs had been created and there was virtually no difference in the historic low Unemployment Rate vs today?
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Thanks for the update!
BTW, does it also mean YOUR GAY HERO, is also a rapist of GIRLS, having done so many porn flicks?
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Yeah, Okay (I think), I see the connection you're making with GAY WHITEZILLA and John Holmes YOUR GAY HEROES.
P.S.: Pssssst....sure if that helps you sleep better at nights!...but keep it to yourself!
I'm just guessing that with his prejudice that black would add an additional layer of humiliation. He already sucked Putins dick so often a white dick would almost be routine and of course he has sampled Kims tiny dick so no aversion there.Excellent reasoning! Many here have said as much already, and can't say I'd disagree. BTW, the "gagging" part was a nice touch.
BTW, what happened to that 22 point advantage in Nov. 2022?Huh? Republicans ended up with more Representatives in the House and also won the House popular vote in 2022. This was despite being severely handicapped by having Trump as the figurehead of the party and by the Supreme Court's abortion decision. There's no surer way to fire up Democrats and left leaning independents to go the polls than bring up Trump and his attempt to overturn the 2020 election. And that's what the Democratic Party machine did. Furthermore some potential Republican candidates who would have won in competitive districts didn't run in the general election because they were either primaried or scared off by Trump and the MAGA Crowd.
Your beliefs about the main stream media are backwards from reality. Look at AllSides.com. NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, they're all left leaning. Or do a search on a campaign contribution database like Open Secrets. You'll see that journalists overwhelmingly support Democrats. I hope that you and likeminded Democrats won't some day support muzzling the press so that it always reflects the views of Democratic leadership, instead of just mostly reflecting their views.
Similarly your highly partisan beliefs about the economy don't make sense, but we've hashed that many times over.
Finally, about Carter, Reagan, Miller and Volcker, I can sink your arguments now. However, I'm having lunch with a student of the Fed this weekend, and afterwards should be able to blow them out of the water. So I'll wait on that. We do agree that Carter did a good thing, replacing his appointee Miller with Volcker.
Damn, It looks like Mike Johnson's promoting a bill to fund $14.3 billion for Israel by cutting the IRS's budget by $14.3 billion. It would be part of the $80 billion originally allocated to the agency in the Inflation Reduction Act last year.
I'm actually starting to like this guy!
I was somewhat disgusted with Chip Roy, but see he's insisting any money for Israel include offsetting spending cuts. I'm starting to like him too!
Now admittedly this is a lesser of two evils thing. I don't really believe we should be sending money Israel's way, considering it's a wealthy country. But if the money's coming out of the IRS's hide, well, that makes it somewhat more palatable.
Obama appointed Powell to the Fed. Biden reappointed him Chairman of the Fed. If you want to go after a suck ass Fed Chairman who was driven by politics instead of good sense, then G. William Miller, a Carter appointee, is your man. Actually Miller, arguably the worst Fed Chaiman in history, and his successor, Paul Volcker, arguably the best, are much more responsible for the state of the economy during the Carter and Reagan presidencies than the presidents themselves. This is a fact that escapes Tooms.
You do have to give Carter credit though. He did the right thing by replacing Miller with Volcker, even though he must have suspected it would torpedo his re-election prospects.
You realize real interest rates, the amount by which short term rates exceed inflation, are around the historic norm. You apparently want a Fed Chairman like Miller, who favors low rates, inflation be damned, as long as that helps his political party.Raising rates fast and hard enough, will crash the economy, that much is certain. His unprecedented fast and hard, 11 x raise, in 17 months, IMHO, was unnecessary and borderline reckless. Again my argument has always been that, a more measured approach to raising rates should have been implemented.
Too Biden's credit, the economy under his stewardship is a true testament, to just how resilient it has been, despite the efforts of a reckless FED, IMHO.
To my point, had he done the same thing, under a Trump administration, Trump would have crucified the FED and accused him of trying to tank the economy and no doubt would have had him replaced. Notice how even out of office, Trump says he'd tell the FEB what to do, if he wins in 2024.
Contrast that with Biden, to his credit, says virtually nothing about the FED and simply goes about the business and stewardship of the economy and the country with even handed keel.
Now that interest rates have significantly been tamed (although it has sightly ticked up, over last 2 months), IMHO there's still no need to raise rates. But we shall see!
Damn, It looks like Mike Johnson's promoting a bill to fund $14.3 billion for Israel by cutting the IRS's budget by $14.3 billion. It would be part of the $80 billion originally allocated to the agency in the Inflation Reduction Act last year.
I'm actually starting to like this guy!
I was somewhat disgusted with Chip Roy, but see he's insisting any money for Israel include offsetting spending cuts. I'm starting to like him too!
Now admittedly this is a lesser of two evils thing. I don't really believe we should be sending money Israel's way, considering it's a wealthy country. But if the money's coming out of the IRS's hide, well, that makes it somewhat more palatable.Which part of ChristoFascist Mike do you like the most?
That his insistence on the IRS budget offset will raise the deficit by as much as $100 Billion in the next 10 years, according to the CBO?
That his non starter proposal to separate aid for Israel from Ukraine and possibly from the border and Taiwan is so opposed by leadership on both sides of the aisle and therefore will likely see the whole thing go nowhere and just sit in limbo until Russia has its way, as those Russian TV commentators predicted he would do for them? Unless they were they actually sending him the order to do that for them through their commentary rather than "predicting" anything, of course.
Both?
Huh? Republicans ended up with more Representatives in the House and also won the House popular vote in 2022. This was despite being severely handicapped by having Trump as the figurehead of the party and by the Supreme Court's abortion decision. There's no surer way to fire up Democrats and left leaning independents to go the polls than bring up Trump and his attempt to overturn the 2020 election. And that's what the Democratic Party machine did. Furthermore some potential Republican candidates who would have won in competitive districts didn't run in the general election because they were either primaried or scared off by Trump and the MAGA Crowd.
Your beliefs about the main stream media are backwards from reality. Look at AllSides.com. NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, they're all left leaning. Or do a search on a campaign contribution database like Open Secrets. You'll see that journalists overwhelmingly support Democrats. I hope that you and likeminded Democrats won't some day support muzzling the press so that it always reflects the views of Democratic leadership, instead of just mostly reflecting their views.
Similarly your highly partisan beliefs about the economy don't make sense, but we've hashed that many times over.
Finally, about Carter, Reagan, Miller and Volcker, I can sink your arguments now. However, I'm having lunch with a student of the Fed this weekend, and afterwards should be able to blow them out of the water. So I'll wait on that. We do agree that Carter did a good thing, replacing his appointee Miller with Volcker.Huh? If not for a tiny handful of Repub redrawn districts, some of which Federal judges have spanked them for already, that Repub Red Tsunami might have been reduced to a Repub Pink Drip, not even a Repub Pink Tinkle. It was one of the worst showings for the out of White House Party in that WH Party's first midterm of all time.
Repubs lost seats in the Senate.
That does not reflect a 22 point advantage for Repubs in "handling the economy better than Dems". Combined with the Dems winning virtually every special election in the past year, it doesn't reflect a Repub advantage on thar issue at all.
Unless. Unless. Oh, the horror. Could it be that individual voters' personal economic situation is simply not suffering and, dare I even suggest such a thing, actually doing much better than Repubs and their perrenial electoral benefactors in Mainstream Media insist they ought to feel about the economy in general and to be reflected in their poll responses regardless of their personal situation?
Therefore, their opinion about Repub vs Dem "handling of the economy" is purely theoretical and academic rather than applying to their real world experience so there was no reason to vote for Repubs to do a damn bit of good for this economy?
No. Couldn't be. LOL.
BTW, were abortion rights on the ballot to trump spectacular economic horrors and swing votes away from "better at handling the economy" Repubs in 1932,1992, 2008 and 2020? I don't recall that it was.
Hmm, apparently the economy has been just fine and dandy and has not needed one iota of that "better handling" of it by Repubs in fully 7 of the last 8 General / Presidential Elections! How nice.
And Bill Maher probably votes for Dems most of the time. Doesn't matter. He helped GW Bush get appointed so-called potus in 2000 and is now doing everything he can to help Trump win in 2024.
As is MSM:
National broadcast and cable networks are barely covering Trumps recent gaffes and incoherent statements
https://www.mediamatters.org/cable-news/national-broadcast-and-cable-networks-are-barely-covering-trumps-recent-gaffes-and
Contrast that with its citing perhaps Biden's greatest re-election liability, his age, more than twice as much as Trump's:
Top newspapers mention Bidens age more than twice as often as Trumps.
Since the president announced his 2024 campaign, five major U.S. papers have mentioned Bidens age in 332 articles and Trumps in just 158
https://www.mediamatters.org/los-angeles-times/top-newspapers-mention-bidens-age-more-twice-often-trumps#text=The%20 papers%20 each%20 mentioned%20 Biden's,just%2046%20 of%20 its%20 articles.
I wonder if the new, 100% Repub-supported Squeeker of the Pink Tinkle House Majority ever stops praying for a way to outlaw Sex For Pleasure, Oral Sex, Anal Sex, etc and access to contraceptives long enough to use Google or listen to what leadership on both sides of the aisle understands about the growing loving relationship between Putin and Hamas in Putin's global mission to replace democracies with authoritarian dictatorships where votes by the people don't count.
If he did, it would be difficult for him to miss why treating American support for Putin's and Hamas' enemies, our democratic allies, as a separate issue would be as dangerous and stupid as, for example, thinking there is no harm done to American lives and the economy to defy all expert dire warnings not to do something so dangerous and stupid as to spend two years removing all the Pandemic Prevention and Response teams from those Chinese labs. And, after all, Trump saved us a.
$100 Million or so by defunding and removing them, didn't he?
That Putin-Hamas relationship is growing to be almost as loving as the Putin-Trump relationship in terms of their aspirations to achieve that same Putin wished-for anti-democratic result in America.
Then again, there is no reason to think he doesn't know all about that, even better than most, and that is precisely why he wants to muck up America's valued support for our democratic allies in regions of the world where our support must be made clear, real and unequivocal.
What Russia Hopes to Gain From the Israel-Hamas Conflict.
Oct. 30, 2023
https://time.com/6329850/hamas-gaza-russia-putin-israel/
Which part of ChristoFascist Mike do you like the most?
That his insistence on the IRS budget offset will raise the deficit by as much as $100 Billion in the next 10 years, according to the CBO?
That his non starter proposal to separate aid for Israel from Ukraine and possibly from the border and Taiwan is so opposed by leadership on both sides of the aisle and therefore will likely see the whole thing go nowhere and just sit in limbo until Russia has its way, as those Russian TV commentators predicted he would do for them? Unless they were they actually sending him the order to do that for them through their commentary rather than "predicting" anything, of course.
Both?
Huh? If not for a tiny handful of Repub redrawn districts, some of which Federal judges have spanked them for already, that Repub Red Tsunami might have been reduced to a Repub Pink Drip, not even a Repub Pink Tinkle. It was one of the worst showings for the out of White House Party in that WH Party's first midterm of all time.
Repubs lost seats in the Senate.
That does not reflect a 22 point advantage for Repubs in "handling the economy better than Dems". Combined with the Dems winning virtually every special election in the past year, it doesn't reflect a Repub advantage on thar issue at all.
Unless. Unless. Oh, the horror. Could it be that individual voters' personal economic situation is simply not suffering and, dare I even suggest such a thing, actually doing much better than Repubs and their perrenial electoral benefactors in Mainstream Media insist they ought to feel about the economy in general and to be reflected in their poll responses regardless of their personal situation?
Therefore, their opinion about Repub vs Dem "handling of the economy" is purely theoretical and academic rather than applying to their real world experience so there was no reason to vote for Repubs to do a damn bit of good for this economy?
No. Couldn't be. LOL.
BTW, were abortion rights on the ballot to trump spectacular economic horrors and swing votes away from "better at handling the economy" Repubs in 1932,1992, 2008 and 2020? I don't recall that it was.
Hmm, apparently the economy has been just fine and dandy and has not needed one iota of that "better handling" of it by Repubs in fully 7 of the last 8 General / Presidential Elections! How nice.
And Bill Maher probably votes for Dems most of the time. Doesn't matter. He helped GW Bush get appointed so-called potus in 2000 and is now doing everything he can to help Trump win in 2024.
As is MSM:
National broadcast and cable networks are barely covering Trumps recent gaffes and incoherent statements
https://www.mediamatters.org/cable-news/national-broadcast-and-cable-networks-are-barely-covering-trumps-recent-gaffes-and
Contrast that with its citing perhaps Biden's greatest re-election liability, his age, more than twice as much as Trump's:
Top newspapers mention Bidens age more than twice as often as Trumps.
Since the president announced his 2024 campaign, five major U.S. papers have mentioned Bidens age in 332 articles and Trumps in just 158
https://www.mediamatters.org/los-angeles-times/top-newspapers-mention-bidens-age-more-twice-often-trumps#text=The%20 papers%20 each%20 mentioned%20 Biden's,just%2046%20 of%20 its%20 articles.I'm starting to worry about you Tooms. I always thought you were a democrat with a little "d". That is, a believer in democracy, and truth, justice and the American Way. Now I'm not so sure.
First you complain that the strongly pro-Democratic Party mainstream media doesn't back the party 100% of the time.
Then you complain about "Repub redrawn districts" in the 2022 election, when Republicans won the House popular vote by 3%. And ended up with a few more representatives in Congress. You're upset about that, which would appear to imply that you believe Democrats should be able to redraw districts but not Republicans.
And you end with a criticism of Mike Johnson trying to claw back $14 billion from an $80 billion increase in funding for the IRS. You want more funding for the police state.
And is the IRS just the tip of the iceberg? What other missions should the police state pursue? Pushing around the media so it supports the Democratic Party 100% of the time, instead of 90% of the time at present? Redrawing those districts so the Democrats can win 100% of the time? Maybe more money for liberal arts education, to indoctrinate our youth? Allowing the teacher's unions, which are strongly pro-Democrat, to insert Party Propaganda into curricula?
What's more pernicious, trying to appoint alternate sets of electors and asking a crowd of your supporters to walk down to the Capitol and show their displeasure? Or the gradual erosion of democratic rights and institutions with the police state and rank-and-file-Democratic-Party-member educators?
Tell me I'm wrong Tooms. I know you're better than this.
And as to linking money for Taiwan, Israel, Ukraine, China and the border into one big package, it's just games as usual in Washington D.C. Undoubtedly if separate voting on the those issues occurred, we'd end up spending less money. And the legislation would more closely reflect the will of the people as expressed through their duly elected representatives. Which most likely is not to give away tens of billions to foreign governments with no accountability.
Raising rates fast and hard enough, will crash the economy, that much is certain. His unprecedented fast and hard, 11 x raise, in 17 months, IMHO, was unnecessary and borderline reckless. Again my argument has always been that, a more measured approach to raising rates should have been implemented.
Too Biden's credit, the economy under his stewardship is a true testament, to just how resilient it has been, despite the efforts of a reckless FED, IMHO.
To my point, had he done the same thing, under a Trump administration, Trump would have crucified the FED and accused him of trying to tank the economy and no doubt would have had him replaced. Notice how even out of office, Trump says he'd tell the FEB what to do, if he wins in 2024.
Contrast that with Biden, to his credit, says virtually nothing about the FED and simply goes about the business and stewardship of the economy and the country with even handed keel.
Now that interest rates have significantly been tamed (although it has sightly ticked up, over last 2 months), IMHO there's still no need to raise rates. But we shall see!What was reckless was waiting around to raise rates above the inflation rate until April, 2023. The Fed should have raised rates shortly after Biden's reckless $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan, which flooded way too much stimulus money into the economy. Instead it waited until March, 2022. In March, 2022 the Fed Funds rate was 0. 25%, and YoY consumer price inflation was 8. 5%!
I'm glad you're not running our monetary policy. We'd end up like Turkey.
And yes I give Biden credit for not criticizing the Fed or replacing Powell. And yes, Trump pushed the Fed to lower rates and he should not have.
Your lavish praise for Biden is unwarranted. He gave away a lot of money which should have produced a sugar high. Instead we ended up deeper in debt and inflation kicked off earlier in the USA than other places. And after adjusting for inflation, the working man is now making LESS than when Biden took office.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/COMPRNFB
I'm starting to worry about you Tooms. I always thought you were a democrat with a little "d". That is, a believer in democracy, and truth, justice and the American Way. Now I'm not so sure.
First you complain that the strongly pro-Democratic Party mainstream media doesn't back the party 100% of the time.
Then you complain about "Repub redrawn districts" in the 2022 election, when Republicans won the House popular vote by 3%. And ended up with a few more representatives in Congress. You're upset about that, which would appear to imply that you believe Democrats should be able to redraw districts but not Republicans.
And you end with a criticism of Mike Johnson trying to claw back $14 billion from an $80 billion increase in funding for the IRS. You want more funding for the police state.
And is the IRS just the tip of the iceberg? What other missions should the police state pursue? Pushing around the media so it supports the Democratic Party 100% of the time, instead of 90% of the time at present? Redrawing those districts so the Democrats can win 100% of the time? Maybe more money for liberal arts education, to indoctrinate our youth? Allowing the teacher's unions, which are strongly pro-Democrat, to insert Party Propaganda into curricula?
What's more pernicious, trying to appoint alternate sets of electors and asking a crowd of your supporters to walk down to the Capitol and show their displeasure? Or the gradual erosion of democratic rights and institutions with the police state and rank-and-file-Democratic-Party-member educators?
Tell me I'm wrong Tooms. I know you're better than this.
And as to linking money for Taiwan, Israel, Ukraine, China and the border into one big package, it's just games as usual in Washington D.C. Undoubtedly if separate voting on the those issues occurred, we'd end up spending less money. And the legislation would more closely reflect the will of the people as expressed through their duly elected representatives. Which most likely is not to give away tens of billions to foreign governments with no accountability.So you make up a straw man argument for something I never said, offer zero refutation against my pointing out how the American electorate has never shown a preference for that mythical "better handling" of the economy by Repubs when we REALLY NEED it to be well-handled at the point when favorite and repeated disastrous Repub policies and stewardship have it Crashing down around our ears and wiping out millions of jobs, because there isn't any to offer, also zero refutation of any "new" and as yet undiscovered info on what the hell Reagan and his policies or stewardship did to reduce inflation and the unemployment rate for his first 3 years in office rather than plunge us into the worst Repub downturn since the Great Repub Depression, again because there isn't any, and consider that "sinking" my argument?
Meanwhile, even that 3% more popular vote for Repubs in the midterms that you are clinging to, a good chunk of which went to George Santos for impersonating a normal human being that could at least temporarily fool a few New York State residence, still does not come close to that 22 point advantage on the economy that you loved so much and still counts as one of the poorest gains in Congress for the out of WH Party in that particular midterm of all time.
LOL. I love when you admonish me for "being better than that" after you make up a straw man argument I never made and then can't refute one actual significant point I make. Yeah, apparently I am "better" than what you fabricate to argue against. And, of course, your misstating it is all the more reason I apparently must repeat it as often as I do. LOL.
Guess what, everybody. Separating Israel support from the rest the way Repub ChristoFascist Mike wants it done does NOT save money. It will ADD $26 Billon to the Trump / Repub's mounting deficits!
Surprised? You shouldn't be. Repub economic policy and stewardship always adds to their economic disaster deficits with no meaningful positive gain in jobs, GDP, economic recovery and expansion, national security, etc to show for it. *.
Quite the opposite of what Biden and the Dems have done for America.
*Otherwise promoted in MSM as, "handling the economy better than the Democrats. " LOL.
House GOPs Israel-IRS bill could add more than $26 billion to deficit: CBO
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4287168-house-gop-israel-irs-bill-add-deficit-cbo/#text=It%20 is%20%2426%20 billion. ,Office%20 (CBO)%20 said%20 Wednesday.
$26 Billion added to Trump's Repub Policy and Stewardship Disaster deficits just to convince Xi snd Putin that even as little as a Pink Tinkle in the House is enough to cripple America's recovery from the latest Great Repub Economic Disaster and its standing as the recognized Leader of the Free World? Sad.
100% Repub-supported Mike would actually be less harmful and more beneficial to America's economy and national security if he just handed the gavel back to Nancy or over to Hakeem and spent the next 13 months in his Fake Electors tree house praying for guidance on how to outlaw Sex For Pleasure, Oral Sex, Anal Sex, Sex Outside of Marriage, Access to Contraception, etc.
MarquisdeSade1
11-02-23, 18:25
"Damn, It looks like Mike Johnson's promoting a bill to fund $14.3 billion for Israel by cutting the IRS's budget by $14.3 billion. It would be part of the $80 billion originally allocated to the agency in the Inflation Reduction Act last year.
I'm actually starting to like this guy!
I was somewhat disgusted with Chip Roy, but see he's insisting any money for Israel include offsetting spending cuts. I'm starting to like him too!
Now admittedly this is a lesser of two evils thing. I don't really believe we should be sending money Israel's way, considering it's a wealthy country. But if the money's coming out of the IRS's hide, well, that makes it somewhat more palatable. "
https://www.wsj.com/economy/trade/why-trump-is-right-about-tariffs-3cad4097
Guess what, everybody. Separating Israel support from the rest the way Repub ChristoFascist Mike wants it done does NOT save money. It will ADD $26 Billon to the Trump / Repub's mounting deficits!
Surprised? You shouldn't be. Repub economic policy and stewardship always adds to their economic disaster deficits with no meaningful positive gain in jobs, GDP, economic recovery and expansion, national security, etc to show for it. *.
Quite the opposite of what Biden and the Dems have done for America.
*Otherwise promoted in MSM as, "handling the economy better than the Democrats. " LOL.
House GOPs Israel-IRS bill could add more than $26 billion to deficit: CBO
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4287168-house-gop-israel-irs-bill-add-deficit-cbo/#text=It%20 is%20%2426%20 billion. ,Office%20 (CBO)%20 said%20 Wednesday.
$26 Billion added to Trump's Repub Policy and Stewardship Disaster deficits just to convince Xi snd Putin that even as little as a Pink Tinkle in the House is enough to cripple America's recovery from the latest Great Repub Economic Disaster and its standing as the recognized Leader of the Free World? Sad.
100% Repub-supported Mike would actually be less harmful and more beneficial to America's economy and national security if he just handed the gavel back to Nancy or over to Hakeem and spent the next 13 months in his Fake Electors tree house praying for guidance on how to outlaw Sex For Pleasure, Oral Sex, Anal Sex, Sex Outside of Marriage, Access to Contraception, etc.WRONG. Biden and the Senators would add $14.4 billion to the deficit through additional spending on Israel, rather than taking the $14.4 billion from the IRS. Thus you have to subtract the $14.4 billion from the CBO's $26.8 billion estimate of foregone revenues. The actual increase in spending would be $26.8 billion - $14.4 billion = $12.4 billion.
So what kind of return is the government receiving on that $14.4 billion it's giving the IRS? Well, the CBO provided this year-by-year estimate of outlays (from $14.4 billion aid to Israel) and foregone revenues (from the reduction in the additional $80 billion allocated to the IRS):
https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/202...p_Act_2024.pdf
I entered the numbers into an Excel spreadsheet, and the government's internal rate of return (IRR) on the 14.4 billion is 22%. The government gets back $1. 86 (being 26.8/14.4) for every dollar it "invests" in the IRS. The 22% IRR a good return for a business. But not a great return. One of my old employers required an estimated 20% IRR on any projects we undertook.
But the investor here is the United States Government, and its business is taking money out of the pockets of its citizens and businesses. If I bought a gun and got a monopoly on extorting money I'd make a hell of a lot higher return on my investment than 22% a year. I'd make millions off that $800 handgun!
This is another illustration how inefficient our federal government is, and why more of the power of the purse and power to spend should be vested in state and local governments.
So you make up a straw man argument for something I never said, offer zero refutation against my pointing out how the American electorate has never shown a preference for that mythical "better handling" of the economy by Repubs when we REALLY NEED it to be well-handled at the point when favorite and repeated disastrous Repub policies and stewardship have it Crashing down around our ears and wiping out millions of jobs, because there isn't any to offer, also zero refutation of any "new" and as yet undiscovered info on what the hell Reagan and his policies or stewardship did to reduce inflation and the unemployment rate for his first 3 years in office rather than plunge us into the worst Repub downturn since the Great Repub Depression, again because there isn't any, and consider that "sinking" my argument?
Meanwhile, even that 3% more popular vote for Repubs in the midterms that you are clinging to, a good chunk of which went to George Santos for impersonating a normal human being that could at least temporarily fool a few New York State residence, still does not come close to that 22 point advantage on the economy that you loved so much and still counts as one of the poorest gains in Congress for the out of WH Party in that particular midterm of all time.
LOL. I love when you admonish me for "being better than that" after you make up a straw man argument I never made and then can't refute one actual significant point I make. Yeah, apparently I am "better" than what you fabricate to argue against. And, of course, your misstating it is all the more reason I apparently must repeat it as often as I do. LOL.You're trying to change the subject. How do you propose that the Democratic Party ensure that the mainstream media spouts the party line 100% of the time? Or that Democrats win a much higher percentage of Congressional Districts than justified by the popular vote?
You only need to look at a graph of real interest rates to understand what was happening during Carter's and Reagan's administrations. Real rates shot up to around 6% at the end of Carter's administration and stayed there through most of Reagan's terms. Under Tooms Rules, this is Carter's responsibility, because Carter appointed Volcker as Fed Chairman. And Volcker, a Democrat, aggressively pursued much-needed anti-inflationary monetary policy, which adversely affected GDP growth and employment. Or that's the logic you and Spidy apply to Powell anyway. Spidy's complaining about our current measly 2.2% real rate.
MarquisdeSade1
11-03-23, 04:17
Nothing to see here folks just move along.
https://apnews.com/article/connecticut-judge-bridgeport-ganim-mayor-election-1e6d23567703c55430968ffdaa0b6369
https://www.wsj.com/economy/trade/why-trump-is-right-about-tariffs-3cad4097Did you see the Letters to the Editor? They butchered Cass' editorial.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trade-deficit-tariffs-cass-economics-industry-fc9fd0c7
Oren Cass’s “Why Trump Is Right About Tariffs” (Review, Oct. 28) errs most fundamentally by assuming higher tariffs can—costs and corruption notwithstanding—reduce the U.S. trade deficit. Leaving aside whether said deficit is actually an economic problem (it isn’t), reams of evidence show that tariffs don’t offer a solution.
For example, a 2017 Peterson Institute examination of 183 countries found that those with higher tariffs tended to have larger trade deficits. The U.S. International Trade Commission, also in 2017, calculated that a 10% increase in U.S. tariffs would cause a small long-run increase in the trade deficit. And despite President Trump’s tariffs, the U.S. trade deficit in goods was a smidgen higher during his tenure (averaging 4.2% of GDP) than during President Obama’s last year in office (4%).
National trade balances are driven by macroeconomic forces—primarily national savings and investment patterns—that are immune to changes in trade policy. Without altering these, higher tariffs that reduce imports will also reduce exports, thanks to a stronger U.S. dollar, higher input costs and foreign retaliation. National welfare declines, but the trade deficit doesn’t.
Scott Lincicome
General Economics and Cato Institute
Raleigh, N.C.
By asking rhetorically, “Does making things matter?” Mr. Cass sneaks in a fallacy as if it’s a fact. Americans do make things. Manufacturing output is now very near the all-time high that it hit on the eve of the financial crisis. Further, as reported by Colin Grabow, “In 2021, [the U.S.] ranked second in the share of global manufacturing output at 15.92 percent—greater than Japan, Germany, and South Korea combined—and the sector by itself would constitute the world’s eighth-largest economy. The United States was the world’s fourth-largest steel producer in 2020, second-largest automaker in 2021, and largest aerospace exporter in 2021.”
It’s therefore unsurprising—except, perhaps, to Messrs. Cass and Trump—that U.S. industrial capacity is also today near its all-time high.
Prof. Donald J. Boudreaux
Mercatus Center, George Mason U.
Fairfax, Va.
High tariffs on goods such as steel or aluminum would shield domestic producers from foreign competition, providing them a short-term boost. But they would make producing goods much more expensive for the U.S. businesses buying the metal. Given tariffs tend to be passed on to consumers, this also means the public has less money to spend on other products.
Even businesses in the “protected” industries are harmed. When other nations impose retaliatory tariffs, U.S. producers would lose market access to hundreds of millions of consumers. Shielding industries from foreign competition also leads to inefficiency. Free trade forces domestic producers to up their game, whereas tariffs make them less productive. In the long run, they make less of their product.
Ben Ramanauskas
You're trying to change the subject. How do you propose that the Democratic Party ensure that the mainstream media spouts the party line 100% of the time? Or that Democrats win a much higher percentage of Congressional Districts than justified by the popular vote?
You only need to look at a graph of real interest rates to understand what was happening during Carter's and Reagan's administrations. Real rates shot up to around 6% at the end of Carter's administration and stayed there through most of Reagan's terms. Under Tooms Rules, this is Carter's responsibility, because Carter appointed Volcker as Fed Chairman. And Volcker, a Democrat, aggressively pursued much-needed anti-inflationary monetary policy, which adversely affected GDP growth and employment. Or that's the logic you and Spidy apply to Powell anyway. Spidy's complaining about our current measly 2.2% real rate.I don't. Stop making up strawman arguments for positions I didn't take that any numbskull could win.
And stop changing the subject. Volcker was already lowering the Fed Funds Rates by the time Reagan took office.
See your local bank if you are concerned about interest rates. The bank president might be some guy named Bill Jones, not Paul Volcker.
Feds interest rate history: The federal funds rate from 1981 to the present
https://www.bankrate.com/banking/federal-reserve/history-of-federal-funds-rate/
The fed funds rate began the decade at a target level of 14 percent in January 1980. By the time officials concluded a conference call on Dec. 5, 1980, they hiked the target range by 2 percentage points to 19-20 percent, its highest ever.
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Rates began drifting downward sharply, falling first to a target range of 13-14 percent on Nov. 2, 1982, then down to 11.5-12 percent on July 20, 1982. After some oscillation, interest rates havent eclipsed 10 percent since November 1984. The effective fed funds rate averaged at 9.97 percent during this 10-year periodSee the chart.
As stated in the text, 1980 was the high point for Fed Funds Rates. Reagan's years in office, especially those first, second and third years, were gifted with almost constant reports of lowered Fed Funds Rates, not rising rates.
His Great Reagan / Repub Recession began in the final quarter of 1981, really confirmed by the first quarter of 1982. His whopping 10 consecutive months of 10%+ Unemployment Rates began in September 1982, just 2 months before the Fed hit its lower target range.
That series of 10%+ Unemployment Rates went far beyond and years after the Fed Funds Rates hit their peak and began "drifting downward sharply".
Are you now blaming declining Fed Funds Rates, "drifting downward sharply", for plunging us into the Great Reagan / Repub Recession and causing those months of 10%+ Unemployment Rates? LOL.
Seems to me just almost 3 years ago we were hearing hysterical predictions of a Great Biden / Dem Recession and double digit Unemployment Rates by now due in part to rising Fed Funds Rates because Biden's thoroughly understandable stimulus measures were not dime perfect in the face of totally unkown and unprecedented future conditions re Trump's Pandemic, his Trump / Repub-apponted Fed Chairman and the likely outcome of that first midterm.
Bidenomics has not benefitted from a single month or report of "drifting downward sharply" Fed Funds Rates. Not one.
Reaganomics was gifted with practically every month of his presidency accompanying a rosy report of "drifting downward sharply" Fed Funds Rates. Yet, in the end, his Repub policies and stewardship wound up tripling the National Debt while producing a pathetic Job Gains result compared to Carter, when Fed Funds Rates were also on the rise and hit a record high, and virtually every other Dem who didn't get hit with a Niagara Falls Economic Crash and Jobs Destruction from the outgoing Repub as he was taking the Oath of Office.
WRONG. Biden and the Senators would add $14.4 billion to the deficit through additional spending on Israel, rather than taking the $14.4 billion from the IRS. Thus you have to subtract the $14.4 billion from the CBO's $26.8 billion estimate of foregone revenues. The actual increase in spending would be $26.8 billion - $14.4 billion = $12.4 billion.
So what kind of return is the government receiving on that $14.4 billion it's giving the IRS? Well, the CBO provided this year-by-year estimate of outlays (from $14.4 billion aid to Israel) and foregone revenues (from the reduction in the additional $80 billion allocated to the IRS):
https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/202...p_Act_2024.pdf
I entered the numbers into an Excel spreadsheet, and the government's internal rate of return (IRR) on the 14.4 billion is 22%. The government gets back $1. 86 (being 26.8/14.4) for every dollar it "invests" in the IRS. The 22% IRR a good return for a business. But not a great return. One of my old employers required an estimated 20% IRR on any projects we undertook.
But the investor here is the United States Government, and its business is taking money out of the pockets of its citizens and businesses. If I bought a gun and got a monopoly on extorting money I'd make a hell of a lot higher return on my investment than 22% a year. I'd make millions off that $800 handgun!
This is another illustration how inefficient our federal government is, and why more of the power of the purse and power to spend should be vested in state and local governments.Oh, so your recommendation is to "save" $14.4 Billion by not supporting the one functional democracy in Arabia and the Middle East at the very moment of a terrorist attack greater than any since the Holocaust. And where a win for the terrorists is also a win for Putin. And all while Putin, Xi and the rest of the authoritarian dictator world is watching, waiting and hoping their comrade ChristoFascist Mike does "well for them" by seeing to it that YOUR recommendation prevails.
Good to know.
Now we know you would have applauded Trump "saving" America about a $100 Million when he spent 2 years defunding and removing the Pandemic Prevention and Response teams from those Chinese labs if only you had known about it in 2018 and 2019.
Congratulations. You have just defined and epitomized crap Repub policies and stewardship and illustrated why their consistent producing and presiding over every Great Economic Disaster and Historic Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years and NONE of the boom times and Historic Jobs Gains has most definitely not been a matter of "economic cycles", "bad Repub luck", a witches curse on Repubs or a series of wild coincidences.
Oh, so your recommendation is to "save" $14.4 Billion by not supporting the one functional democracy in Arabia and the Middle East at the very moment of a terrorist attack greater than any since the Holocaust. And where a win for the terrorists is also a win for Putin. And all while Putin, Xi and the rest of the authoritarian dictator world is watching, waiting and hoping their comrade ChristoFascist Mike does "well for them" by seeing to it that YOUR recommendation prevails.
Good to know.
Now we know you would have applauded Trump "saving" America about a $100 Million when he spent 2 years defunding and removing the Pandemic Prevention and Response teams from those Chinese labs if only you had known about it in 2018 and 2019.
Congratulations. You have just defined and epitomized crap Repub policies and stewardship and illustrated why their consistent producing and presiding over every Great Economic Disaster and Historic Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years and NONE of the boom times and Historic Jobs Gains has most definitely not been a matter of "economic cycles", "bad Repub luck", a witches curse on Repubs or a series of wild coincidences.My views on the Israeli / Palestinian situation are about as far away from "Repub policies and stewardship" as you can get. No prominent Republican I'm aware of would agree with me, while quite a few Democrats, and a significant number of left-of-center Israeli Jews would. I haven't gone full fledged Rashida Tlaib, as I do believe Hamas shares a huge share of the responsibility for what's happening, and believe it's unrealistic to expect Israelis to give back land confiscated from Palestinians in the 1940's. I do however believe Netanyahu has worked hand in hand with the Qataris and others to support Hamas and torpedo the Palestinian Authority. (The Palestinian Authority would accept a two state solution while Hamas is dead set on the destruction of Israel.) Netanyahu and some of the reactionary parties in his coalition, the ones who represent Jewish settlers on the West Bank, want to do everything they can to prevent a two state solution, even if it leaves Israel and Hamas with perpetual war. And even if it means Gaza will continue to be the world's largest open air prison camp.
I wonder how this would have turned out if the USA hadn't backed Israel at every turn. Maybe there never would have been a 9/11, or wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe we wouldn't be a pariah in the Arab world. And just maybe Israelis and Palestinians would have come to a two state solution, and be living together today in peace. And yes, maybe our national debt wouldn't be as high. If that makes me a piece of shit, then so be it. But don't label me as a piece of shit Republican based on my beliefs about Israel and Palestine. And please note I used the word "maybe." I don't necessarily believe all those positive outcomes would have occurred, but can't help but believe the world would be a better place if the USA hadn't always unconditionally supported Israel.
I don't. Stop making up strawman arguments for positions I didn't take that any numbskull could win.
And stop changing the subject. Volcker was already lowering the Fed Funds Rates by the time Reagan took office.
See your local bank if you are concerned about interest rates. The bank president might be some guy named Bill Jones, not Paul Volcker.
Feds interest rate history: The federal funds rate from 1981 to the present
https://www.bankrate.com/banking/federal-reserve/history-of-federal-funds-rate/
See the chart.
As stated in the text, 1980 was the high point for Fed Funds Rates. Reagan's years in office, especially those first, second and third years, were gifted with almost constant reports of lowered Fed Funds Rates, not rising rates.
His Great Reagan / Repub Recession began in the final quarter of 1981, really confirmed by the first quarter of 1982. His whopping 10 consecutive months of 10%+ Unemployment Rates began in September 1982, just 2 months before the Fed hit its lower target range.
That series of 10%+ Unemployment Rates went far beyond and years after the Fed Funds Rates hit their peak and began "drifting downward sharply".
Are you now blaming declining Fed Funds Rates, "drifting downward sharply", for plunging us into the Great Reagan / Repub Recession and causing those months of 10%+ Unemployment Rates? LOL.
Seems to me just almost 3 years ago we were hearing hysterical predictions of a Great Biden / Dem Recession and double digit Unemployment Rates by now due in part to rising Fed Funds Rates because Biden's thoroughly understandable stimulus measures were not dime perfect in the face of totally unkown and unprecedented future conditions re Trump's Pandemic, his Trump / Repub-apponted Fed Chairman and the likely outcome of that first midterm.
Bidenomics has not benefitted from a single month or report of "drifting downward sharply" Fed Funds Rates. Not one.
Reaganomics was gifted with practically every month of his presidency accompanying a rosy report of "drifting downward sharply" Fed Funds Rates. Yet, in the end, his Repub policies and stewardship wound up tripling the National Debt while producing a pathetic Job Gains result compared to Carter, when Fed Funds Rates were also on the rise and hit a record high, and virtually every other Dem who didn't get hit with a Niagara Falls Economic Crash and Jobs Destruction from the outgoing Repub as he was taking the Oath of Office.I give Spidy a pass because he's not particularly versed in economics. But you know better than that. It's the difference between the Fed Funds Rate and the inflation rate that shows whether monetary policy is tight or loose. The Fed Funds rate by itself is meaningless.
By your reasoning, when the Turkish equivalent of the Fed Funds rate was at 12.5% in mid 2022, monetary policy was contractionary, because the rate was high. Well, at the same time inflation was running 75% and GDP growth was galloping along at 7. 6% YoY. Erdogan, the Turkish president who controls the central bank, was letting it rip.
That's kind of like what was happening under Fed Chairmen Arthur Burns and G. William Miller from 1975 to 1979. CPI inflation was higher than the Fed Funds rate more often than not, even though inflation was high, in the range of 5% to 12%. But the difference wasn't anywhere nearly as extreme as Turkey's.
Volker replaced Miller, and under his leadership the Fed jacked up the Fed Funds rate to a maximum of 22% in July, 1981, during Reagan's first term. At that time, CPI inflation was running about 11%. That represents a real interest rate of 11%. At the tail end of the 1982/1983 recession, Fed Funds flattened out around 9%, while CPI inflation bottomed at 2. 6%. Monetary policy was still very much contractionary. Yes, it resulted in sharply higher unemployment and two recessions, during the end of Carter's term and the first half of Reagan's first term. That's what it took to slay the inflation beast. Lots of pain.
But from the 2nd half of 1983 through to the end of Reagan's 2nd term, GDP growth was very good by today's standards, from 2. 7% to 8. 6% per annum (YoY). Furthermore, the unemployment rate fell from its peak of 10.8% in October, 1982 to around 5% to 5. 5% and the end of Reagan's time in office, which was lower than the unemployment rate anytime during Carter's administration.
Please note I'm not crediting or blaming Carter or Reagan with recessions, booms, or employment, even though I believe in the longer term some of Reagan's changes to the tax system were very beneficial. I'm just pointing out how economic statistics varied through time, using their terms as references. It wasn't the party of the president that was the biggest driver of events, it was the Fed. And oil prices (detrimental to the economy during Carter's term and Reagan's first term and beneficial in Reagan's 2nd term) would be second. These are related. Oil price shocks drove inflation, which drove Fed policy.
Oh, so your recommendation is to "save" $14.4 Billion by not supporting the one functional democracy in Arabia and the Middle East at the very moment of a terrorist attack greater than any since the Holocaust. By the way, Israel isn't part of Arabia.
By the way, Israel isn't part of Arabia.My reference to Arabia was the same as yours to "the Arab world", along with my reference to the Middle East.
I give Spidy a pass because he's not particularly versed in economics. But you know better than that. It's the difference between the Fed Funds Rate and the inflation rate that shows whether monetary policy is tight or loose. The Fed Funds rate by itself is meaningless.
By your reasoning, when the Turkish equivalent of the Fed Funds rate was at 12.5% in mid 2022, monetary policy was contractionary, because the rate was high. Well, at the same time inflation was running 75% and GDP growth was galloping along at 7. 6% YoY. Erdogan, the Turkish president who controls the central bank, was letting it rip.
That's kind of like what was happening under Fed Chairmen Arthur Burns and G. William Miller from 1975 to 1979. CPI inflation was higher than the Fed Funds rate more often than not, even though inflation was high, in the range of 5% to 12%. But the difference wasn't anywhere nearly as extreme as Turkey's.
Volker replaced Miller, and under his leadership the Fed jacked up the Fed Funds rate to a maximum of 22% in July, 1981, during Reagan's first term. At that time, CPI inflation was running about 11%. That represents a real interest rate of 11%. At the tail end of the 1982/1983 recession, Fed Funds flattened out around 9%, while CPI inflation bottomed at 2. 6%. Monetary policy was still very much contractionary. Yes, it resulted in sharply higher unemployment and two recessions, during the end of Carter's term and the first half of Reagan's first term. That's what it took to slay the inflation beast. Lots of pain.
But from the 2nd half of 1983 through to the end of Reagan's 2nd term, GDP growth was very good by today's standards, from 2. 7% to 8. 6% per annum (YoY). Furthermore, the unemployment rate fell from its peak of 10.8% in October, 1982 to around 5% to 5. 5% and the end of Reagan's time in office, which was lower than the unemployment rate anytime during Carter's administration.
Please note I'm not crediting or blaming Carter or Reagan with recessions, booms, or employment, even though I believe in the longer term some of Reagan's changes to the tax system were very beneficial. I'm just pointing out how economic statistics varied through time, using their terms as references. It wasn't the party of the president that was the biggest driver of events, it was the Fed. And oil prices (detrimental to the economy during Carter's term and Reagan's first term and beneficial in Reagan's 2nd term) would be second. These are related. Oil price shocks drove inflation, which drove Fed policy.Calculate it any way you want. Spidy and I are very well versed on economic results that matter in the real world. You are not. You are very well versed on the results your academic theories ought to have produced but never have in the real world.
Your "real interest rate" concept existed under Carter when inflation was rising the same as it existed under Reagan when the rate of inflation was declining virtually every month and quarter as it had been since before he took office.
Even by your assessment above, Carter faced even worse economic hurdles than Reagan did yet his policies and stewardship did not produce rising to skyrocketing unemployment rates into double digits for a whopping 10 consecutive months and his annual average jobs creation dwarfed that of Reagan's. And he did it without tripling the National Debt as Reagan did.
MarquisdeSade1
11-05-23, 03:39
"Oh, so your recommendation is to "save" $14.4 Billion by not supporting the one functional democracy in Arabia and the Middle East at the very moment of a terrorist attack greater than any since the Holocaust. And where a win for the terrorists is also a win for Putin. And all while Putin, Xi and the rest of the authoritarian dictator world is watching, waiting and hoping their comrade ChristoFascist Mike does "well for them" by seeing to it that YOUR recommendation prevails.
Good to know.
Now we know you would have applauded Trump "saving" America about a $100 Million when he spent 2 years defunding and removing the Pandemic Prevention and Response teams from those Chinese labs if only you had known about it in 2018 and 2019.
Congratulations. You have just defined and epitomized crap Repub policies and stewardship and illustrated why their consistent producing and presiding over every Great Economic Disaster and Historic Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years and NONE of the boom times and Historic Jobs Gains has most definitely not been a matter of "economic cycles", "bad Repub luck", a witches curse on Repubs or a series of wild coincidences. ".
Democrats go around calling everyone racists, quintessential projection!
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/11/04/dem-rep-phillips-its-very-difficult-to-be-a-jew-in-the-democratic-caucus-theres-seemingly-a-lack-of-progressive-love/
The Democratic party is the anti white anti Jewish anti Christian anti heterosexual anti CIS anti America party.
The DNC only represents the interests of the CCP.
Everything else is just political window dressing.
Asia hates Jews just like the DNC, that's where the Democrast takes their cues.
The Democratic party aka the home of American anti Semitism.
My views on the Israeli / Palestinian situation are about as far away from "Repub policies and stewardship" as you can get. No prominent Republican I'm aware of would agree with me, while quite a few Democrats, and a significant number of left-of-center Israeli Jews would. I haven't gone full fledged Rashida Tlaib, as I do believe Hamas shares a huge share of the responsibility for what's happening, and believe it's unrealistic to expect Israelis to give back land confiscated from Palestinians in the 1940's. I do however believe Netanyahu has worked hand in hand with the Qataris and others to support Hamas and torpedo the Palestinian Authority. (The Palestinian Authority would accept a two state solution while Hamas is dead set on the destruction of Israel.) Netanyahu and some of the reactionary parties in his coalition, the ones who represent Jewish settlers on the West Bank, want to do everything they can to prevent a two state solution, even if it leaves Israel and Hamas with perpetual war. And even if it means Gaza will continue to be the world's largest open air prison camp.
I wonder how this would have turned out if the USA hadn't backed Israel at every turn. Maybe there never would have been a 9/11, or wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe we wouldn't be a pariah in the Arab world. And just maybe Israelis and Palestinians would have come to a two state solution, and be living together today in peace. And yes, maybe our national debt wouldn't be as high. If that makes me a piece of shit, then so be it. But don't label me as a piece of shit Republican based on my beliefs about Israel and Palestine. And please note I used the word "maybe." I don't necessarily believe all those positive outcomes would have occurred, but can't help but believe the world would be a better place if the USA hadn't always unconditionally supported Israel.No, your academic, unrelated to the real world, views on how to "save" money re support for Israel and presumably Ukraine is very much in line with the way Repub economic policies and stewardship is conjured up and promoted to "save" money, "reduce" the size of the government, "create" jobs, "pay down" the debt, "get the gub'ment of your back", etc when the real results in the real world is the exact opposite.
Why not also "save" money by Defunding the Police? That's an idea repeatedly promoted and voted for by high profile Repubs.
How about "saving" money by no longer inspecting meat, closing down schools, laying off firefighters.
I know a Repub former so-called potus who congratulated himself for "saving" USA tax-payers about $100 million by defunding and removing all of the Pandemic Prevention and Response teams from Chinese labs studying novel coronavirus in 2018 and 2019, contrary to all expert dire warnings not to do something so dangerous and stupid. In the real world, that is. But in Repub policy and stewardship world it was a brilliant way to "save" about as much as 2-3 weekend presidential excursions to one of his failing golf resorts.
Repub Tommy Tuberville, Trump's hand-picked Senator, is doing a bang up job of "saving" us money on Military Leadership placements, family relocations and our readiness to respond to an unexpected crisis. Putin, Xi, Kim and no doubt Hamas are watching closely and rooting for the next logical Repub idea to "save" even more money to materialize; Defund the USA Military altogether.
I wonder how much money France would have "saved" if only they had taken your Repub view re Israel back when the Continental Army was benefitting from France's support in the late 1700's.
MarquisdeSade1
11-05-23, 13:06
The real numbers lololol.
NYT polling numbers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/us/politics/biden-trump-2024-poll.html
Its going to ok ET you don't live here anyway, and haven't even bothered to return in over a decade.
Monetary Policy is nothing but Central Planning by other name. Fiat currency is worth nothing. And things are going to get worse for the citizens of my country of origin long before the get better.
Fiat Currency is the ponzi scheme. Central bankers are the con men.
MarquisdeSade1
11-05-23, 17:39
"Oh, so your recommendation is to "save" $14.4 Billion by not supporting the one functional democracy in Arabia and the Middle East at the very moment of a terrorist attack greater than any since the Holocaust. And where a win for the terrorists is also a win for Putin. And all while Putin, Xi and the rest of the authoritarian dictator world is watching, waiting and hoping their comrade ChristoFascist Mike does "well for them" by seeing to it that YOUR recommendation prevails.
Good to know.
Now we know you would have applauded Trump "saving" America about a $100 Million when he spent 2 years defunding and removing the Pandemic Prevention and Response teams from those Chinese labs if only you had known about it in 2018 and 2019.
Congratulations. You have just defined and epitomized crap Repub policies and stewardship and illustrated why their consistent producing and presiding over every Great Economic Disaster and Historic Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years and NONE of the boom times and Historic Jobs Gains has most definitely not been a matter of "economic cycles", "bad Repub luck", a witches curse on Repubs or a series of wild coincidences. ".
Democrats go around calling everyone racists, quintessential projection!
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/11/04/dem-rep-phillips-its-very-difficult-to-be-a-jew-in-the-democratic-caucus-theres-seemingly-a-lack-of-progressive-love
The Democratic party is the anti white anti Jewish anti Christian anti heterosexual anti CIS anti America party.
The DNC only represents the interests of the CCP.
Everything else is just political window dressing.
Asia hates Jews just like the DNC, that's where the Democrast takes their cues.
The Democratic party aka the home of American anti Semitism. ".
https://nypost.com/2023/11/04/news/pro-palestinian-marchers-flood-dc-say-racist-state-israel-does-not-have-the-right-to-exist-long-live-the-intifada/?utm_source=gmail&utm_campaign=android_nyp
Me: "Oh, so your recommendation is to "save" $14.4 Billion by not supporting the one functional democracy in Arabia and the Middle East at the very moment of a terrorist attack greater than any since the Holocaust."
By the way, Israel isn't part of Arabia.Democracy in the Middle East and North Africa
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa#text=Often%20 recognized%20 as%20 the%20 only, and%20 its%20 current%20 Benjamin%20 Netanyahu.
Often recognized as the only functional democracy in Arabia and the Middle East, Israel has thrived since 1948 under an elective government and the leadership of prime ministers such as its inaugural, Ben Gurion and its current Benjamin Netanyahu.Welcome to the way people conventionally communicate with each other about it in the real world.
MarquisdeSade1
11-05-23, 19:40
"The real numbers lololol.
NYT polling numbers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/us/politics/biden-trump-2024-poll.html
Its going to be ok ET you don't live here anyway, and haven't even bothered to return in over a decade. ".
Is they cheat even more in 2024 than they did in 2020.
More fake ballots more fraud on steroids.
The real numbers lololol.
NYT polling numbers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/05/us/politics/biden-trump-2024-poll.html
Its going to ok ET you don't live here anyway, and haven't even bothered to return in over a decade.Question for you and Tiny:
You both try to pass yourselves off as "Bothsiders / Neithersiders" here. If you were contacted by this polling service would you admit your Party Identification is "Repub" or claim you are an "Independent"?
Lololol.
MarquisdeSade1
11-05-23, 21:48
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4294394-axelrod-suggests-biden-drop-out-of-2024-presidential-race/
How long before Dirty Joe announces hes drooping out for health reasons or to spend more time with his family (the junkie in Florence).
"Oh, so your recommendation is to "save" $14.4 Billion by not supporting the one functional democracy in Arabia and the Middle East at the very moment of a terrorist attack greater than any since the Holocaust. And where a win for the terrorists is also a win for Putin. And all while Putin, Xi and the rest of the authoritarian dictator world is watching, waiting and hoping their comrade ChristoFascist Mike does "well for them" by seeing to it that YOUR recommendation prevails.
Good to know.
Now we know you would have applauded Trump "saving" America about a $100 Million when he spent 2 years defunding and removing the Pandemic Prevention and Response teams from those Chinese labs if only you had known about it in 2018 and 2019.
Congratulations. You have just defined and epitomized crap Repub policies and stewardship and illustrated why their consistent producing and presiding over every Great Economic Disaster and Historic Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years and NONE of the boom times and Historic Jobs Gains has most definitely not been a matter of "economic cycles", "bad Repub luck", a witches curse on Repubs or a series of wild coincidences. ".
Democrats go around calling everyone racists, quintessential projection!
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/11/04/dem-rep-phillips-its-very-difficult-to-be-a-jew-in-the-democratic-caucus-theres-seemingly-a-lack-of-progressive-love/
The Democratic party is the anti white anti Jewish anti Christian anti heterosexual anti CIS anti America party.
The DNC only represents the interests of the CCP.
Everything else is just political window dressing.
Asia hates Jews just like the DNC, that's where the Democrast takes their cues.
The Democratic party aka the home of American anti Semitism.Yeah, I saw him on Bill Maher's weekly Republican Party Campaign Rally.
Here are a few other items he was wrong about:
He equated the poll response from younger Dem voters of "would rather have a different candidate,(than Biden)" with "will not vote for Biden if he is the candidate on the ballot. ".
Not true.
And he lamented that, apparently due to Biden's unpopularity or the Dems' supposed focus on race or sumpin', Dems "keep losing elections. " Really? Where has he been for the last 40 years, much less the last 3 years?
Of course, Bill let him get away with that BS.
And oh my but isn't it terrible how low Biden's Favorability / Job Approval ratings are? Except that they higher than Trump's, DeSantis', Haley's, every Congressional leader, Majority and Minority of both Parties, Congress in general and both major Parties in Congress!
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/other/FavorabilityRatingsPoliticalLeaders.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_republicans_job_approval-6195.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_democrats_job_approval-6194.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2024_generic_congressional_vote-7969.html
Bill had no info on that, apparently.
Oh, and no mention that Biden has not even begun to campaign for the election a year from now.
Democracy in the Middle East and North Africa
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa#text=Often%20 recognized%20 as%20 the%20 only, and%20 its%20 current%20 Benjamin%20 Netanyahu.
Welcome to the way people conventionally communicate with each other about it in the real world.Maybe Democracy is not the best form of government in the world for everyone?
Democracy in the Middle East and North Africa
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_in_the_Middle_East_and_North_Africa#text=Often%20 recognized%20 as%20 the%20 only, and%20 its%20 current%20 Benjamin%20 Netanyahu.
Welcome to the way people conventionally communicate with each other about it in the real world.https://www.dictionary.com/browse/arabia
https://www.quora.com/Is-Israel-on-the-Arabian-Peninsula
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_Peninsula
Israel is not part of Arabia as it's not located on the Arabian Peninsula. Nor is it considered an Arab country.
Welcome to the way people conventionally communicate with each other about it in the real world.
Question for you and Tiny:
You both try to pass yourselves off as "Bothsiders / Neithersiders" here. If you were contacted by this polling service would you admit your Party Identification is "Repub" or claim you are an "Independent"?
Lololol.No, I would have told them to fuck off and hung up the phone. That's why Republican candidates outperform polls.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/arabia
https://www.quora.com/Is-Israel-on-the-Arabian-Peninsula
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_Peninsula
Israel is not part of Arabia as it's not located on the Arabian Peninsula. Nor is it considered an Arab country.
Welcome to the way people conventionally communicate with each other about it in the real world.You said it is not "part of" Arabia.
That isn't what I said or the way it is said in the link I posted.
What you said has a very different meaning than what is meant by the way I said it, the way the link said it and the way I might have heard it said a few dozen times over the decades by people making the same observation I and the link made.
Yeah, Isreal is not "part of" Arabia. So?
Maybe Democracy is not the best form of government in the world for everyone?In terms of competing to become potus, it hasn't worked out very well for Republican presidential candidates since 1992.
If not for the singularly undemocratic Electoral College in the USA we likely would not have seen 1 Repub elected potus since 1988.
GW Bush won more votes than his opponent in 2004 but by then had the incumbency on his side and had blundered, lied and manipulated himself into being a "Wartime" potus, which would not have been the case but for his appointed by the EC by way of his appointment by his fellow Repubs on the Supreme Court.
MarquisdeSade1
11-06-23, 19:52
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/06/opinion/joe-biden-polling.html
ALLAHU AKBAR.
No, I would have told them to fuck off and hung up the phone. That's why Republican candidates outperform polls.Then they'll just contact more respondents until they get the sampling percentage they want for self-identified Dems, Repubs and Independents anyway.
The Repub Party's lord and savior ravenously feasts on the tiniest poll advantage anywhere at any time. His cult followers know this about him. In fact, his cult followers ravenously feast on them as well.
Hard to believe those ravenously hungry Trump cult followers are as shy about letting any and every polling service know how they feel about their lord and savior and thereby please their lord and savior as you claim to be.
I suspect their pretending to be "Independents / Bothsider / Neithersiders" when in fact they are routinely predisposed to be the Republican Candidate voter, as you just now admitted here, happens much more often than with Dem Candidate voters.
Typically pro Repub Mainstream Media will probably shrug this off and ignore it while they are very busy citing Joe Biden's age twice as much as they do Trump's. Just as they did with Trump's confusing the leaders of Turkey and Hungary that he met and conferred with, who he ran for potus against in 2016 and 2020, whether WWII happened already and / or what he did to avert it.
Consequently, it is probably time for Biden's ad money to stop touting his historic positive gains and accomplishments for the recovery, economy, national security, strengthening the western alliance and democracy, etc so much and start running more "Trumpian" negative ads.
Negative in the sense of merely reporting the facts about his most likely addle-brained Repub opponent that typically pro Repub MSM and pundits like Bill Maher refuse to do. Although I suppose those ads really shouldn't start until Trump is officially declared the Repub Nominee:
Trump claims he was president in 2021 during fraud trial testimony - follow live
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2023/11/06/donald-trump-testify-live-new-york-trial-fraud-real-estate/
Asked about whether he was involved in valuations in 2021, Mr Trump said: I was so busy at the White House my threshold was China, Russia and keeping our country safe.
Prosecutor Kevin Wallace responded, saying: Just to clarify you werent president in 2021, correct?, to which Mr Trump replied: No, I wasnt.There is no Joe Biden counterpart to this current and ongoing series of blithering Trump assertions and incoherence. None. Not now, not ever.
No wonder he flees from the debates.
....And oh my but isn't it terrible how low Biden's Favorability / Job Approval ratings are? Except that they higher than Trump's, DeSantis', Haley's, every Congressional leader, Majority and Minority of both Parties, Congress in general and both major Parties in Congress!
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/other/FavorabilityRatingsPoliticalLeaders.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_republicans_job_approval-6195.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_democrats_job_approval-6194.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2024_generic_congressional_vote-7969.html
Bill had no info on that, apparently.
Oh, and no mention that Biden has not even begun to campaign for the election a year from now.I'm confused. Didn't you say Real Clear Politics was a "Winger" organization that made it difficult to find polls that favored Biden? Why are you linking to the site? Did it change ownership or something?
Interesting that Nikki Haley is head and shoulders above the other candidates, in terms of the favorable / unfavorable spread, with a 9.8% advantage over Biden. She is a Neocon, but I'd vote for her anyway. She'd be the lesser of evils.
Maybe Democracy is not the best form of government in the world for everyone?It definitely doesn't work well for schools and prisons.
The (Dis)United States of America is not a democracy.
It definitely doesn't work well for schools and prisons.With all due respect, I was aware that "School" or "Prison" were forms of government. Now I could be wrong and if I am I welcome your correction. As seems there are so many experts on governments and politics posting here.
MarquisdeSade1
11-07-23, 03:56
"It definitely doesn't work well for schools and prisons."
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/11/03/van-jones-i-worry-about-biden-black-voters-people-have-trouble-affording-gas-feel-neighborhoods-not-any-better/
https://www.newsmax.com/john-gizzi/donald-trump-support-black/2023/11/06/id/1141209/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/19/trump-poll-support-black-hispanic/
I'm confused. Didn't you say Real Clear Politics was a "Winger" organization that made it difficult to find polls that favored Biden? Why are you linking to the site? Did it change ownership or something?
Interesting that Nikki Haley is head and shoulders above the other candidates, in terms of the favorable / unfavorable spread, with a 9.8% advantage over Biden. She is a Neocon, but I'd vote for her anyway. She'd be the lesser of evils.Actually, no I didn't say that. I refer to RCP as "demonstrably Winger-leaning. " You can find polls there that favor Biden. But RCP is more likely to include polls from services known not to show advantages for Dems as often as those for Repubs in their listing and therefore in their concensus of polls results.
Historically, Emerson, Rasmussen and Harris come to mind although RCP is in a quandary about 1-2 of those lately because they have been coming up with Dem-advantage poll results every now and then.
Of course, a good showing by Biden or the Dems in an RCP concensus poll, a Winger-leaning service like RCP, would be more impressive than if it were not Winger-leaning.
And RCP is the more commonly quoted and cited polling service by most of MSM. Naturally, it being demonstrably Winger-leaning.
That's why I cite it too.
538 is rarely mentioned until perhaps weeks before an election. RCP and 538 do not include the same polls in order to arrive at a concensus and neither includes every known national poll available. Each one, any of them I presume, pick and choose the ones they want to list and exclude the ones they don't.
Nikki Haley probably gets bonus points from voters for whom "bipartisanship" is a big plus. She has been pretending that as a Repub potus she is going to abandon the same Repub policies and stewardship that produces the same disastrous Repub results they have been producing for 100 years or so and, you know, promote the Dem policies and stewardship that did not. LOL.
But I have seen polls "even on the demonstrably Winger-leaning RCP" (See how that works?) that show Biden beating Haley in Texas and such. She pulled down the Confederate flag from her statehouse. The Rrpub base will not gift her with the nomination.
The idea that a billionaire has any interest in the plight of an individuals who cannot make ends meet is laughable. Some individuals are distracted by things unrelated to the real problems of the economy of the (Dis) United States of America.
https://home.treasury.gov/news/featured-stories/racial-inequality-in-the-united-states
https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/wealth-inequality-and-the-racial-wealth-gap-20211022.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2020/01/07/income-inequality-rise/?sh=5612b5b222a8
Not everyone is fooled by the smoke and mirrors of issues unrelated to economics. I follow the money. That is all it is about in the (Dis) United States of America.
A interesting set of articles. I do not see how it relates to the form of government in the (Dis) United States of America. Exactly what is the point you are making?.
"It definitely doesn't work well for schools and prisons."
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/11/03/van-jones-i-worry-about-biden-black-voters-people-have-trouble-affording-gas-feel-neighborhoods-not-any-better/
https://www.newsmax.com/john-gizzi/donald-trump-support-black/2023/11/06/id/1141209/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/19/trump-poll-support-black-hispanic/
... Your lavish praise for Biden is unwarranted. He gave away a lot of money which should have produced a sugar high. Instead we ended up deeper in debt and inflation kicked off earlier in the USA than other places. And after adjusting for inflation, the working man is now making LESS than when Biden took office.
More GREAT economic gains for the working American man, as even non-union workers benefit from a Biden driven UAW supported pay bump. Yeah...that UAW union, the 2x impeached, 4x indicted on 92 felony charges, Trump, said shouldn't pay their union dues.
As polls have 71% of Americans supporting unions and approve of President Biden's show of support for unions.
Toyota Gives Most U.S. Auto-Factory Workers 9% Pay Bump Following UAW Gains in Detroit
https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/toyota-gives-most-of-its-u-s-auto-factory-workers-9-pay-bump-following-uaw-gains-in-detroit-123664ff
This must be that "working man", that supposedly making "LESS".
Yet another GREAT Biden economic data point, like a dagger to the heart of our ISG resident so called Repub economist "eggheads".
I judge USD through the lens of international exchange rates being given for currency in the countries I mainly operate in. Lately that has been: DOP, COP and THB. Over the last year results have been mixed.
THB: Up and down. Trend is up.
COP: Trend has been straight down.
DOP: Trend is up and holding strong.
A strong USD is good for me. And I do not care which party gives it to me. Got no love for the Donkey or the Elephant.
The (Dis)United States of America is not a democracy.
With all due respect, I was aware that "School" or "Prison" were forms of government. Now I could be wrong and if I am I welcome your correction. As seems there are so many experts on governments and politics posting here.Apologies, I may have come off as flippant without intending to. My niece went to a school from fourth to twelfth grade that was a democracy. The students voted on what classes they took. They could vote out a teacher and have him fired although I'm not sure they ever did that. Anyway, she didn't get a good education.
I believe over the last 60 years the government of Singapore has done better than any at the national level, and Singapore's not exactly a democracy.
MarquisdeSade1
11-07-23, 22:43
"Actually, no I didn't say that. I refer to RCP as "demonstrably Winger-leaning. " You can find polls there that favor Biden. But RCP is more likely to include polls from services known not to show advantages for Dems as often as those for Repubs in their listing and therefore in their concensus of polls results.
Historically, Emerson, Rasmussen and Harris come to mind although RCP is in a quandary about 1-2 of those lately because they have been coming up with Dem-advantage poll results every now and then.
Of course, a good showing by Biden or the Dems in an RCP concensus poll, a Winger-leaning service like RCP, would be more impressive than if it were not Winger-leaning.
And RCP is the more commonly quoted and cited polling service by most of MSM. Naturally, it being demonstrably Winger-leaning.
That's why I cite it too.
538 is rarely mentioned until perhaps weeks before an election. RCP and 538 do not include the same polls in order to arrive at a concensus and neither includes every known national poll available. Each one, any of them I presume, pick and choose the ones they want to list and exclude the ones they don't.
Nikki Haley probably gets bonus points from voters for whom "bipartisanship" is a big plus. She has been pretending that as a Repub potus she is going to abandon the same Repub policies and stewardship that produces the same disastrous Repub results they have been producing for 100 years or so and, you know, promote the Dem policies and stewardship that did not. LOL.
But I have seen polls "even on the demonstrably Winger-leaning RCP" (See how that works?) that show Biden beating Haley in Texas and such. She pulled down the Confederate flag from her statehouse. The Rrpub base will not gift her with the nomination. ".
Nor should we!! She's not one of us!!
MarquisdeSade1
11-07-23, 22:51
"I judge USD through the lens of international exchange rates being given for currency in the countries I mainly operate in. Lately that has been: DOP, COP and THB. Over the last year results have been mixed.
THB: Up and down. Trend is up.
COP: Trend has been straight down.
DOP: Trend is up and holding strong.
A strong USD is good for me. And I do not care which party gives it to me. Got no love for the Donkey or the Elephant. ".
You don't live in the USA anymore and don't plan on returning.
Therefore if it was up to me I would revoke both your right to vote and citizenship for both of you.
Additionally your opinion on anything pertaining to USA politics is most certainly irrelevant.
You don't live in the USA anymore and don't plan on returning.
Therefore if it was up to me I would revoke both your right to vote and citizenship for both of you.
.Why would you do that? They pay taxes but don't receive the benefits bestowed by the Federal government.
Oh. I forgot. Unless you're a politician or a farmer or a green energy entrepreneur or some other special interest you don't get squat from the federal government anyway.
Never mind.
I wouldn't take their citizenship away if I were dictator though. Making it more difficult for Tooms to vote is a good idea however.
You don't live in the USA anymore and don't plan on returning.You don't know my travel plans. You will not be getting the memo. To the USGOV it is irrelevant where I live. Taxes are due from the US citizens worldwide.
Therefore if it was up to me I would revoke both your right to vote and citizenship for both of you.Well then I guess it is fortunate that it it is not up to you. All you have to do in order for that to happen is to petition your elected officials at the federal level and ask for a redress of your grievances. They respond to email. At least mine do. LOL!.
Additionally your opinion on anything pertaining to USA politics is most certainly irrelevant.Sorry Charlie, we don't want tuna with good taste, we want tuna that tastes good.
Didn't the US get started because a bunch of mother fuckers who were rich decided to say "Fuck you" another mother fucker across the ocean because they didn't want to pay taxes? No taxation without representation. How much revenue would USGOV lose if it your policies were invoked against all individuals excising their right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"? Show me where it says that a US Citizen is required to live in the United States in order to vote or to retain their citizenship.
Checkmate!
More GREAT economic gains for the working American man, as even non-union workers benefit from a Biden driven UAW supported pay bump. Yeah...that UAW union, the 2x impeached, 4x indicted on 92 felony charges, Trump, said shouldn't pay their union dues.
As polls have 71% of Americans supporting unions and approve of President Biden's show of support for unions.
Toyota Gives Most U.S. Auto-Factory Workers 9% Pay Bump Following UAW Gains in Detroit
https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/toyota-gives-most-of-its-u-s-auto-factory-workers-9-pay-bump-following-uaw-gains-in-detroit-123664ff
This must be that "working man", that supposedly making "LESS".
Yet another GREAT Biden economic data point, like a dagger to the heart of our ISG resident so called Repub economist "eggheads".That is where economic stewardship plays as important a role as economic policy in how and why Dems in the WH so consistently outperform Repubs by a wide margin on positive economic results.
And that is why I typically cite both policy and stewardship as the key factors in Dems producing no Great Depressions, no Great Recessions and produce historic jobs gains vs Repubs producing one Great Depression or Great Recession after another, all of them for the past 100 years or so, and every Massive Jobs Destruction in that time as well.
A POTUS is faced with dozens of decisions a day that will either promote jobs gains and improve wages for more Americans or won't. That is the stewardship part. It might not even reach the legislative stage, which is the policy part.
Repubs think it is all about policy; Cut taxes disproportionately high for the already wealthy, top income margins, ignore regulations and, bingo, they think their job is done. No concept of stewardship. Of course, their job is done if they see their job as Crashing the economy and wiping out millions of jobs.
Biden was probably in touch with UAW and the CEOs of the auto companies more than anyone will ever know to get that great deal for the auto workers that was naturally followed by non union auto makers who must now compete for workers, especially in this roaring Bidenomics Jobs Creation economy. And it will also trigger uptick in wages for jobs unrelated to the auto industry.
Trump railed against the whole thing. LOL. Naturally. He and his Repub concept of policy and stewardship is to do everything he can to Crash the economy and wipe out millions upon millions of jobs and then gripe about the inevitable increase in the rate of inflation during the Great Dem Recovery.
Well, Biden's endorsement and whatever else behind the scenes of that Labor negotiation just made life better in the midst of Trump's Pandemic Recovery Inflation, essentially "reducing" Inflation in the best and most positive way possible. Many times better than anything any Repub ever did to reduce Inflation, especially "Morning in America" Reagan. Unless plunging us into a Major Economic Downturn and Wiping Out Millons of Jobs is anyone's idea of a Great way to lower the price of everything.
History shows the Repub concept of economic stewardship after they promote, fight for and pass crap economic policy is to go fishing, shut down banks, play golf, compose an Enemies List, wear "WIN" buttons, ride their ponies, sleep, clear brush down at the ranch and play even more golf.
All of it adding crap stewardship followup to their crap policies and not surprisingly producing historically crap results.
"I judge USD through the lens of international exchange rates being given for currency in the countries I mainly operate in. Lately that has been: DOP, COP and THB. Over the last year results have been mixed.
THB: Up and down. Trend is up.
COP: Trend has been straight down.
DOP: Trend is up and holding strong.
A strong USD is good for me. And I do not care which party gives it to me. Got no love for the Donkey or the Elephant. ".
You don't live in the USA anymore and don't plan on returning.
Therefore if it was up to me I would revoke both your right to vote and citizenship for both of you.
Additionally your opinion on anything pertaining to USA politics is most certainly irrelevant.We can stream the news, real news, see and hear the same sights and sounds in America from anywhere in the world just as well if not better than you do from your mom's basement, tracking the latest goofiness on Breitbart and Newsmax and booking your seemingly endless mongering vacations around the world apparently with no need to show up for work anywhere at anytime. LOL.
Democrats win big in election 2023, in key RED states! In Ohio, Kentucky and Virginia, wins materialized, largely due to movements against, Repub abortion bans, in the wake of Roe v. Wade and legalization of weed.
6 election night takeaways: Democrats win big, but GOP holds Mississippi
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/6-election-night-takeaways-democrats-win-big-gop/story?id=104696780
Gov. Youngkin in Virginia was HIT HARD, with a reality check, as Dems hold on to the Senate and TAKE the House. Virginia is now a Democratic-controlled legislature.
Silence from Team Youngkin after Democratic wins...Bad night for Virginia Republicans
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/live-blog/election-day-voting-results-live-updates-rcna121782
Why Democrats' big Virginia win is also a victory for Biden
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/08/democrats-virginia-win-biden-00126028
Finally, more real voting data, based on REALITY as to how Americans are really voting. Actual voting data that Dems can "hang their hats on" for the 2024 election, and not these fake-ass polls.
Yet another Biden victory!
MarquisdeSade1
11-08-23, 16:02
"We can stream the news, real news, see and hear the same sights and sounds in America from anywhere in the world just as well if not better than you do from your mom's basement, tracking the latest goofiness on Breitbart and Newsmax and booking your seemingly endless mongering vacations around the world apparently with no need to show up for work anywhere at anytime. LOL."
If you didn't hate the USA so much you wouldn't have left California and while your "crush" Barry Hussein was around no less?
Its like wishing to vote in the Condo Assoc elections in a bldg you haven't lived in, in over a decade? WTF gives?
Or stalking an old gfs FB page 24/7.
https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2023/11/07/joe-bidens-polling-woes-ignite-democrat-infighting-march-into-the-sea-and-drown/
But nonetheless those CIS white male (maybe hetero maybe not) hating Californians thank you for exiting!!
And the rest of us say GOOD RIDDANCE.
MarquisdeSade1
11-08-23, 16:09
"Why would you do that? They pay taxes but don't receive the benefits bestowed by the Federal government.
Oh. I forgot. Unless you're a politician or a farmer or a green energy entrepreneur or some other special interest you don't get squat from the federal government anyway.
Never mind.
I wouldn't take their citizenship away if I were dictator though. Making it more difficult for Tooms to vote is a good idea however."
If they renounce their citizenship by moving to another country and never coming back.
I would just codify it, no more SS checks or absentee ballots for them.
I seriously doubt either of them pay a penny of taxes, so it would be a net gain WIN WIN WIN for USA.
And lastly I would have the NSA block all ETs internet activity from USA websites jajajaja.
MarquisdeSade1
11-08-23, 16:14
"We can stream the news, real news, see and hear the same sights and sounds in America from anywhere in the world just as well if not better than you do from your mom's basement, tracking the latest goofiness on Breitbart and Newsmax and booking your seemingly endless mongering vacations around the world apparently with no need to show up for work anywhere at anytime. LOL. "
https://amgreatness.com/2023/11/06/nashville-trans-school-shooter-wanted-to-kill-little-crackers-with-white-privilege-according-to-leaked-manifesto/?fbclid=IwAR1WfcYsrM3SanUN0ueGG-asjbFPGION3jT2itE3JM-x5EgK1KbDZTfIK7c
MarquisdeSade1
11-08-23, 16:20
"Why would you do that? They pay taxes but don't receive the benefits bestowed by the Federal government.
Oh. I forgot. Unless you're a politician or a farmer or a green energy entrepreneur or some other special interest you don't get squat from the federal government anyway.
Never mind.
I wouldn't take their citizenship away if I were dictator though. Making it more difficult for Tooms to vote is a good idea however. "
Both would return overnite and we all know nobody wants that.
Ill have to reconsider.
We can just consider the SS checks a very small bribe to get out and stay the fuck out.
Why would you do that? They pay taxes but don't receive the benefits bestowed by the Federal government.
Oh. I forgot. Unless you're a politician or a farmer or a green energy entrepreneur or some other special interest you don't get squat from the federal government anyway.Unless you are a guy glued to his computer chair in a hooker forum posturing as a Libertarian night and day, you'll know very well that the typical American gets plenty for their federal income tax. That will include Medicare, meat inspection, a national highway system, student loans, a military to protect our borders, and the list goes on and on.
We can stream the news, real news, see and hear the same sights and sounds in America from anywhere in the world.Exactly!
Last day of public hearing on this topic:
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/biden-administration-unveils-new-crypto-tax-reporting-rules-2023-08-25/
More GREAT economic gains for the working American man, as even non-union workers benefit from a Biden driven UAW supported pay bump. Yeah...that UAW union, the 2x impeached, 4x indicted on 92 felony charges, Trump, said shouldn't pay their union dues.
As polls have 71% of Americans supporting unions and approve of President Biden's show of support for unions.
Toyota Gives Most U.S. Auto-Factory Workers 9% Pay Bump Following UAW Gains in Detroit
https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/toyota-gives-most-of-its-u-s-auto-factory-workers-9-pay-bump-following-uaw-gains-in-detroit-123664ff
This must be that "working man", that supposedly making "LESS".
Yet another GREAT Biden economic data point, like a dagger to the heart of our ISG resident so called Repub economist "eggheads".I don't know much about the UAW negotiations, so maybe you can correct any misconceptions that I may have.
Biden's efforts probably had "0" effect on the outcome of the negotiations. He just wants to take credit, because he views himself as a champion of the union man. This is despite the fact that he spent almost his entire career in politics and probably hasn't done an honest days work during his lifetime.
From Google, I'm seeing that GM's offer to the UAW in September would have cost GM $150,000 per worker per year in wages and benefits. Presumably the actual amount after further negotiations is higher. Add on a second wage earner's salary, and a typical union family is perhaps making over $200,000 per year. This makes GM union plants uncompetitive in export markets, not to say that they weren't already. And how's the working man who's not a member of the UAW supposed to afford a new car?
Biden's regulations and tax subsidies to car owners, if not changed, will make it where many can't afford a new vehicle. Electric cars cost more. Cars built with $150,000/worker/year wages cost more. And the working man who's pulling down say $60,000 a year isn't going to get much benefit from the electric vehicle tax credits. Higher new car prices will drag up used car prices.
Now yes, maybe the ridiculously-named Inflation Reduction Act's subsidies to car companies like GM may help a little. But government is taking money out of the pocket of the taxpayer and adding to deficits to do that. Who are the beneficiaries of this pork? Well, relatively well off UAW workers and other auto company employees (like the CEO's) and auto company shareholders. Our trading partners will respond to the unfair subsidies in the Inflation Reduction Act, which will adversely affect other American businesses. Maybe they put big tariffs on soybeans or Boeing aircraft for example.
Repubs think it is all about policy; Cut taxes disproportionately high for the already wealthy, top income margins, ignore regulations and, bingo, they think their job is done. No concept of stewardship. Of course, their job is done if they see their job as Crashing the economy and wiping out millions of jobs.Baloney. The USA has the most progressive tax system in the developed world. You can't raise huge amounts of money by taxing the rich more. They just won't realize taxable income. That was the situation prior to cuts in the higher marginal tax rates passed with overwhelming support from Democrats and Republicans in the 1980's.
Given that Biden has pledged not to raise taxes on families making less than $400,000 per year, how are we going to close the 8% of GDP annual budget deficits that are on the horizon as far as the eye can see? Well, if Biden and the Democrats control government, they're sure as hell not going to cut spending. The deficit and national debt would continue to rise, and unless interest rates tank we're fucked. And what if they do manage to cut the deficits? What happens when that 8% per year (as a % of GDP) in spending suddenly disappears? Then we're fucked too.
I believe Democrats will win the presidency in 2024. I hope Republicans can control at least one house of Congress, so they can continue to put a break on the spending. Yes, that would adversely affect GDP growth in the short term, and you will of course criticize Republicans for being the adults in the room.
Baloney. The USA has the most progressive tax system in the developed world. You can't raise huge amounts of money by taxing the rich more. They just won't realize taxable income. That was the situation prior to cuts in the higher marginal tax rates passed with overwhelming support from Democrats and Republicans in the 1980's.
Given that Biden has pledged not to raise taxes on families making less than $400,000 per year, how are we going to close the 8% of GDP annual budget deficits that are on the horizon as far as the eye can see? Well, if Biden and the Democrats control government, they're sure as hell not going to cut spending. The deficit and national debt would continue to rise, and unless interest rates tank we're fucked. And what if they do manage to cut the deficits? What happens when that 8% per year (as a % of GDP) in spending suddenly disappears? Then we're fucked too.
I believe Democrats will win the presidency in 2024. I hope Republicans can control at least one house of Congress, so they can continue to put a break on the spending. Yes, that would adversely affect GDP growth in the short term, and you will of course criticize Republicans for being the adults in the room.You might want to sit down for this.
It turns out the way your Repubs cut taxes, on whom, when, why and how, along with their economic stewardship such as playing golf, riding ponies, clearing brush down at the ranch and playing more golf does shit for averting Great Repub Depressions, averting Great Repub Recessions, promoting business expansion in America and and the creation of jobs. Obviously.
But Dem tax cuts and economic stewardship do a fine job of the above and just as obviously.
Are you shocked?
Did your Economics 101 text book just burst into flames?
Again, a "tax cut", which both Dems and Repubs do, is merely a "process" PRESUMABLY in service to improving the economy well enough to avert economic disaster and massive job losses and, ideally, to instead encourage business growth and create jobs.
They are not an economic "results" in and of themselves.
Tax cuts by Repubs, on whom, when, where, why and how have only precipitated, triggered and most definitely not averted Great Repub Depressions, Great Repub Recessions, Skyrocketing Unemployment Rates and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction for almost the past full century.
Those are the real world economic "results" of your Repub tax cuts "processes".
BTW, we are all still waiting for you or anyone else to please for the love of god cite the now beloved and revered economic legislation promoted by, fought for, signed and passed by Repubs when they occupied the White House, the Majority in the House and the Majority in the Senate anywhere comparable to what the Dems have done when they controlled those factions, as in Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Unemployment Insurance, The Affordable Care Act, etc, etc, etc.
Can't come up with one? Not even an iddy bitty one?
Democrats win big in election 2023, in key RED states! In Ohio, Kentucky and Virginia, wins materialized, largely due to movements against, Repub abortion bans, in the wake of Roe v. Wade and legalization of weed.
6 election night takeaways: Democrats win big, but GOP holds Mississippi
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/6-election-night-takeaways-democrats-win-big-gop/story?id=104696780
Gov. Youngkin in Virginia was HIT HARD, with a reality check, as Dems hold on to the Senate and TAKE the House. Virginia is now a Democratic-controlled legislature.
Silence from Team Youngkin after Democratic wins...Bad night for Virginia Republicans
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/live-blog/election-day-voting-results-live-updates-rcna121782But but but Bidenomics is a disaster! Nobody can afford to buy anything! There are no jobs! The Unemployment Rate is skyrocketing! Our Armed Forces are waging war in Ukraine and Gaza! The caravans are coming to take the last 2 remaining jobs and murder us in our beds!
How can the Repub mission to outlaw Sex For Pleasure, Oral Sex, Anal Sex, Sex Outside of Marriage and Access to Contraceptives "trump" the living Hell Biden and the Dems have plunged America into after Trump and his classic Repub economic policy and stewardship handed them such typically wonderful Repub economic policy and stewardship results just 2 years and 9 months ago along with nothing but more classic Repub assistance and co-operation in improving the economy and the lives of Americans ever since?
Lolol.
Then they'll just contact more respondents until they get the sampling percentage they want for self-identified Dems, Repubs and Independents anyway.I don't think that makes sense. If they call 300 Democrats, 300 Independents, and 300 Republicans, and all 300 Republicans refuse to answer questions, then the poll will only reflect the view of Democrats and Independents. And Democrats and Independents have a more favorable view of Biden than Republicans.
Hard to believe those ravenously hungry Trump cult followers are as shy about letting any and every polling service know how they feel about their lord and savior and thereby please their lord and savior as you claim to be.Interesting thought. I thought that prior to, say, 2020, Republicans outperformed polls because they were more motivated to actually go and vote. And in 2022, that flipped. Democrats were mad as hell because Trump tried to steal an election, so they were more motivated to vote. In other words, I thought the poll results were good, and but didn't take into account who would actually go to the effort to vote. Anyway your idea might partly explain what happened in 2022, when Republicans underperformed the polls.
I suspect their pretending to be "Independents / Bothsider / Neithersiders" when in fact they are routinely predisposed to be the Republican Candidate voter, as you just now admitted here, happens much more often than with Dem Candidate voters.You could be right about this too. I'll preface by saying I don't think anyone who's rational can believe in every position espoused by the Democratic or Republican Party.
Perhaps Democrats, like members of a religious cult or Russian Communists in the 1920's or German Nazi's in the 1930's, strongly identify with their party, regardless of whether the positions of the party make sense. And Republicans, "Bothsiders" and "Neithersiders" are more inclined to answer surveys and vote in accordance with what they believe makes the most sense. That's probably being too hard on Democrats though.
Unless you are a guy glued to his computer chair in a hooker forum posturing as a Libertarian night and day, you'll know very well that the typical American gets plenty for their federal income tax. That will include Medicare, meat inspection, a national highway system, student loans, a military to protect our borders, and the list goes on and on.Yes, Medicare, the federal government's contribution to a health care system that eats up 18% of GDP. Infrastructure projects that cost a lot more than they do in Europe. A system for student loans that has resulted in spiraling tuition costs and student debt. And a military budget that's more than the next 10 highest countries' combined. All great accomplishments of our federal government.
You're right about meat inspection.
I don't understand your need to demean others. Hopefully, for your sake, you don't carry that over into the real world.
Democrats win big in election 2023, in key RED states! In Ohio, Kentucky and Virginia, wins materialized, largely due to movements against, Repub abortion bans, in the wake of Roe v. Wade and legalization of weed....I agree with you Spidy. Abortion accounts for a lot of it. Trump being the figurehead of the Republican Party didn't help either. And this isn't a good omen for Republican's chances in 2024.
CheckMate1
11-08-23, 23:13
You don't know my travel plans. You will not be getting the memo. To the USGOV it is irrelevant where I live. Taxes are due from the US citizens worldwide.
Well then I guess it is fortunate that it it is not up to you. All you have to do in order for that to happen is to petition your elected officials at the federal level and ask for a redress of your grievances. They respond to email. At least mine do. LOL!.
Sorry Charlie, we don't want tuna with good taste, we want tuna that tastes good.
Didn't the US get started because a bunch of mother fuckers who were rich decided to say "Fuck you" another mother fucker across the ocean because they didn't want to pay taxes? No taxation without representation. How much revenue would USGOV lose if it your policies were invoked against all individuals excising their right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"? Show me where it says that a US Citizen is required to live in the United States in order to vote or to retain their citizenship.
Checkmate!For law loving Marquise.
You may lose your USA Citizenship in specific cases, including if you:
Run for public office in a foreign country (under certain conditions).
Enter military service in a foreign country (under certain conditions).
Apply for citizenship in a foreign country with the intention of giving up USA Citizenship.
Commit an act of treason against the United States.
Are a naturalized USA Citizen who faces denaturalization due to committing certain crimes.
https://www.usa.gov/renounce-lose-citizenship
Sub and Toom are citizens unless they meet one of those criteria. Let the dream of being a dictator (one day) go Marquise.
MarquisdeSade1
11-09-23, 01:47
"Yes, Medicare, the federal government's contribution to a health care system that eats up 18% of GDP. Infrastructure projects that cost a lot more than they do in Europe. A system for student loans that has resulted in spiraling tuition costs and student debt. And a military budget that's more than the next 10 highest countries' combined. All great accomplishments of our federal government.
You're right about meat inspection.
I don't understand your need to demean others. Hopefully, for your sake, you don't carry that over into the real world. "
Is that supposed to be funny, it is not.
Here are some of our fine tax dollars at work.
https://www.aol.com/news/doj-announces-arrests-high-end-182557852.html
In more ways than one.
MarquisdeSade1
11-09-23, 03:29
"Baloney. The USA has the most progressive tax system in the developed world. You can't raise huge amounts of money by taxing the rich more. They just won't realize taxable income. That was the situation prior to cuts in the higher marginal tax rates passed with overwhelming support from Democrats and Republicans in the 1980's.
Given that Biden has pledged not to raise taxes on families making less than $400,000 per year, how are we going to close the 8% of GDP annual budget deficits that are on the horizon as far as the eye can see? Well, if Biden and the Democrats control government, they're sure as hell not going to cut spending. The deficit and national debt would continue to rise, and unless interest rates tank we're fucked. And what if they do manage to cut the deficits? What happens when that 8% per year (as a % of GDP) in spending suddenly disappears? Then we're fucked too.
I believe Democrats will win the presidency in 2024. I hope Republicans can control at least one house of Congress, so they can continue to put a break on the spending. Yes, that would adversely affect GDP growth in the short term, and you will of course criticize Republicans for being the adults in the room. ".
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/08/upshot/biden-election-results-2024.html
MarquisdeSade1
11-09-23, 03:39
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/08/opinion/trump-republican-nomination-general.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/08/opinion/trump-republican-nomination-general.html
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A few weeks ago, I was talking to a local pastor here in Tennessee, and he started the conversation by asking a question I hear all the time: "Can anybody beat Trump?" he was desperate for someone else, anyone else, to claim the Republican nomination. He ticked through the names — DeSantis, Haley, Scott, Pence (he was still in the race then) — and they were all better. Why can't they gain traction? "It's not a binary choice anymore," he said. "It's not Trump or Biden. ".
"But," he quickly added, "if it is Trump or Biden, then I'm voting Trump. It's just who I am. ".
It's just who I am. I thought of that conversation when I saw last weekend's headlines. Donald Trump is now leading President Biden in five swing states, and if the race goes the way the poll suggests, Trump could win the presidency with more than 300 electoral votes. At the same time, we know from previous Times / Siena College polling that the hard-core MAGA base is 37 percent of the Republican Party. Another 37 percent can be persuaded to oppose Trump, while 25 percent are completely opposed to his nomination.
How is it possible that a person whose true base is only 37 percent of his party, who faces four separate criminal indictments and who already lost once to Biden might sit in the electoral driver's seat?
I've written quite a bit on the enduring bond between Trump and his base. There's the strange combination of rage and joy that marks the MAGA community. They're somehow both furious about the direction of the country and having the time of their lives supporting Trump. There's also the power of prophecy. Millions of Christians are influenced by claims that Trump is divinely ordained to save the United States. But the MAGA millions aren't enough to put him back in the White House.
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To understand his general election prospects, we have to go beyond Trump's MAGA core. He needs millions more votes — including from my pastor friend, a man who's desperate to see Trump leave American politics.
Trump's viability in the Republican Party depends on the loyalty of his base, but his viability in the general election depends on a dark combination of negative partisanship and civic ignorance. "Negative partisanship" is the term political scientists use to describe partisan loyalty that exists not because a voter loves his party or its ideas but because he loathes the opposing party and the people in it. And why do voters loathe the opposition so darn much? That's where civic ignorance plays its diabolical role. Partisan Americans are wrong about each other in a particularly dangerous way: Each side thinks the other is more extreme than it really is.
This hostility is what permits Trump to convert his primary plurality into a potential electoral majority. This hostility both predated Trump and powered his election. In previous American political generations, nominating a person perceived to be an extremist or a crank was the kiss of electoral death. You wouldn't merely expect to lose. You would expect to lose in a landslide.
When Republicans nominated far-right Barry Goldwater in 1964, for example, he won six states and lost the popular vote by 23 points. Eight years later, when Democrats nominated far-left George McGovern, they won one state and also lost the popular vote by 23 points. There was enough partisan mobility in the electorate to decisively reject two different candidates, from opposing edges of the political spectrum.
But now? It is unthinkable for many millions of partisans — or even for those independents who lean right or left and maybe secretly don't want to admit to themselves that they're truly partisan — to either vote third party or cross the aisle and vote for a candidate of the opposing party. They simply hate the other side too much. The result is that virtually any Republican or Democratic nominee begins the race with both a high floor and a low ceiling and no one has much margin for error. Every nominee is going to be fragile, and every national presidential race is going to be close. The margin in the last two races has been agonizingly slim. A few thousand votes cast differently in key swing states, and Hillary Clinton wins, or Joe Biden loses.
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To understand the power of negative partisanship, it's important to understand the sheer scale of the mutual partisan hatred. Dating back to June 2014 — a full year before Trump came down that escalator — the Pew Research Center reported an extraordinary increase in polarization. Between 1994 and 2014, the percentage of Democrats and Republicans who expressed "very unfavorable" views of their opponents more than doubled, to 38 percent of Democrats and 43 percent of Republicans. Overall, 82 percent of Republicans and 79 percent of Democrats had either unfavorable or very unfavorable views of their political opponents.
During the Trump era, this mutual contempt and loathing only grew. A June 2019 report by More in Common found that 86 percent of Republicans believed Democrats were brainwashed, 84 percent believed Democrats were hateful and 71 percent believed Democrats were racist. Democrats also expressed withering disgust for Republicans: 88 percent believed Republicans were brainwashed, 87 percent believed Republicans were hateful and 89 percent believed Republicans were racist.
There is an interesting additional wrinkle to the More in Common report. Yes, it found that the two sides hated each other, but it also discovered that both sides were wrong about their political opponents. Both Democrats and Republicans believed their opponents were more politically extreme than they really were. The findings are startling: "Overall, Democrats and Republicans imagine almost twice as many of their political opponents. Hold views they consider 'extreme' " than is actually the case.
The media compounds the problem. More in Common found that consuming news media (with the exception of broadcast news on ABC, NBC and CBS) actually increased the perception gap. As a practical matter, this means that parties are almost always defined by their ideological extremes and each party uses the existence of those extremes to generate fear and increase turnout. Even if a party does try to moderate to appeal to the middle, partisan media still highlights the radicals that remain, and the perception gap persists. The fear persists.
We can start to see why Trump is viable beyond his base. When you ask right-leaning voters to abandon Trump, you're asking them to empower a political party they view as brainwashed, hateful and racist. You're asking them to empower a political party they view as extreme. That's the source of Trump's strength in a general election. He's surfing on top of a huge wave of fear and animosity, a wave he did not create but one that he's making bigger through his malignant, destructive influence.
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That's not to say that we face a political stalemate. After all, we've seen MAGA candidates perform poorly in multiple swing state elections, but many of those elections — even against plainly incompetent or corrupt candidates — have been extraordinarily close. Trump's loss in 2020 was extraordinarily close. In a narrowly divided country, it becomes difficult for one party to deliver the kind of decisive blows that Republicans suffered in 1964 or Democrats suffered in 1972.
When the Trump Republican Party is forced to take three steps back, it often consoles itself with two steps forward. It lost the House in 2018, but it gained seats in the Senate. It lost the presidency and the Senate in 2020, but it gained seats in the House. It lost ground in the Senate in 2022, but it did (barely) win back control of the House. There weren't many bright spots for Republicans in the 2023 elections, either, but there weren't many races, and MAGA will still believe that Biden is weak even if other Democrats have proved stronger than expected.
Already Trump and his allies are blaming electoral setbacks on the Republican establishment. The radio host Mark Levin claimed that the Republican nominee for governor in Kentucky, Daniel Cameron, lost to the Democrat, Andy Beshear, because Cameron is a "Mitch McConnell protégé. " Trump echoed the same theme, declaring on Truth Social that Cameron "couldn't alleviate the stench of Mitch McConnell. " MAGA's solution to electoral setbacks is always the same: more MAGA.
There are two potential paths past this Republican dynamic. One is slow, difficult and dangerous. That's the path of the Democratic Party defeating Trump and other MAGA candidates, race by race, year by year, with the full knowledge that the margin of victory can be razor thin and that there's always the risk of a close loss that brings catastrophic consequences for our Republic. One negative news cycle — like Anthony Weiner's laptop surfacing in the closing days of the 2016 election — can be the difference between victory and defeat.
The other path — the better path — requires the Republican Party to reform itself, to reject Trump now. A two-party nation needs two healthy parties. Any republic that depends on one party defeating the other to preserve democracy and the rule of law is a republic that teeters on the edge of destruction. A Nikki Haley nomination, for example, might make Biden's defeat more likely, but farsighted Democrats should welcome a potential return to normalcy in the Republican Party. It would mean that politics will perhaps return to a world of manageable differences, rather than a series of existential threats to democracy itself.
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As of now, however, internal Republican reform is a pipe dream. Ron DeSantis is falling, and while Haley is rising, she hasn't even hit 10 percent support in the RealClearPolitics polling average. Trump leads by a staggering spread of 43.7 points. Perhaps a criminal conviction could reverse Trump's primary momentum, but after watching Trump's Republican approval rating survive every single scandal of his presidency and political career, the idea that anything will shake his Republican support is far more of a hope than an expectation.
Until that unlikely moment, we're stuck with the current dynamic. Love for Trump fuels his support in the Republican primary contest. Hatred of Democrats makes him viable in the general election. American animosity gave Trump the White House once, and as long as that animosity remains, it threatens to give him the White House once again.
I don't think that makes sense. If they call 300 Democrats, 300 Independents, and 300 Republicans, and all 300 Republicans refuse to answer questions, then the poll will only reflect the view of Democrats and Independents. And Democrats and Independents have a more favorable view of Biden than Republicans.
Interesting thought. I thought that prior to, say, 2020, Republicans outperformed polls because they were more motivated to actually go and vote. And in 2022, that flipped. Democrats were mad as hell because Trump tried to steal an election, so they were more motivated to vote. In other words, I thought the poll results were good, and but didn't take into account who would actually go to the effort to vote. Anyway your idea might partly explain what happened in 2022, when Republicans underperformed the polls.
You could be right about this too. I'll preface by saying I don't think anyone who's rational can believe in every position espoused by the Democratic or Republican Party.
Perhaps Democrats, like members of a religious cult or Russian Communists in the 1920's or German Nazi's in the 1930's, strongly identify with their party, regardless of whether the positions of the party make sense. And Republicans, "Bothsiders" and "Neithersiders" are more inclined to answer surveys and vote in accordance with what they believe makes the most sense. That's probably being too hard on Democrats though.I think the jury is back and the verdict is in on how certain poll responses simply do not jive with what the poll respondents really believe and will do at crunch time.
For example, since forever I have heard that most people think Repubs "handle the economy better" than Dems. Same as the polls are saying now. You know, that mythical image of Republican policy wonks cooly and unemotionally studying the data, knowing their Economics 101 text books by heart, always cutting taxes, never raising taxes, making the government smaller, getting the gub'ment off our back, pro business, therefore empowering the job creators, paying the bills on time and so on. That mythical image of them that has never existed but their loyal benefactors in Mainstream Media work so hard to fabricate and promote.
Yet, what does the American electorate do when Repub economic policy and stewardship is presiding over another serious economic downturn, businesses are closing, jobs are being wiped out by the millions, unemployment rates are skyrocketing or even just when jobs creation has been low to barely noticeable? When "better handling of the economy" is really needed and in a big hurry?
What did the real world "polls" tell us about the true feelings of the American electorate on that critical issue when fanciful wishes about a "better handling" of an economy where businesses are thriving, jobs creation is roaring along, poverty is declining, wages are improving, retail spending is up, inflation almost doesn't exist, the debt is plunging, deficits are nowhere to be found, the gub'ment is off our backs, nobody pays taxes and it doesn't cost anybody anything no longer apply? Oh, and eating pizza and chocolate cake will cause you to lose 10 pounds per week?
The election of 1932,1960, 1976,1992, 2008 and 2020 is the result of that real world "poll. ".
There is no real world polling data on what happens when outgoing Dems have left the economy in a shambles, jobs creation has been atrocious or worse and the American electorate runs to a Repub to "better handle" the economy because none of those required conditions have existed since the creation of modern polling surveys.
On the poll sampling issue, I think you will find that the highly MSM-celebrated recent poll showing Biden down by a few points vs Trump in 5 of those 6 swing states the sampling of self-identified Repubs was a few points higher than that of Dems in all but one state, Pennsylvania. That is vs what most recent polls say is virtually an even split for Dems and Repubs at about 25% each with a record number higher claiming to be Independents.
That poll sampled more than 3,000 respondents, a very high number for a poll. Why did they call so many people? Did they start out with a goal to call, say, 3,016 or whatever respondents and let the sampling chips fall where they may? I don't think so.
If they had hit their 3,016 respondents goal and it turned out all but 16 of them were self-identified Dems they would have called another 3,000 or 4,000 respondents until the sampling finally got to a less laughable balance.
They ask about political affiliation at the end of the survey. So I think they keep calling and calling until they finally get a breakdown of political affiliations that somewhat match the way other surveys and perhaps even registrations and voter rolls say the three are represented. And in that survey's methodology it looks to me like they stopped when the Repub sampling was still a few points higher than the Dem sampling by a few points in all but one state. Perhaps due to time constraints.
WTF did someone write a military to protect our borders?
Is that supposed to be funny, it is not.
Here are some of our fine tax dollars at work.
https://www.aol.com/news/doj-announces-arrests-high-end-182557852.html
In more ways than one.Not a word of that was supposed to be funny. It doesn't take $877 billion a year to protect our borders. That's what the USA spends on the military annually. I don't believe the $877 billion includes much if any of the $75 billion the US has spent on Ukraine. And it certainly doesn't include the additional $60 billion for Ukraine that Congress will probably soon authorize. Or the $14.5 billion we'll be sending to Israel.
And no, the bastards shouldn't be spending our hard earned money prosecuting victimless crimes like the "high end brothel network" either.
I believe Democrats will win the presidency in 2024 LMFAO
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/08/upshot/biden-election-results-2024.html
OK, I really don't know. If the Republicans nominate anyone besides Trump and Biden's the Democratic nominee, I believe the Republican wins. And if Trump runs against any Democrat except Biden, I think the Democrat wins. Neither of the two old men are popular.
Beijing4987
11-09-23, 05:21
De Sade.
I'm liking you again. Don't let me down with crackpot ideas again, unless there is credible evidence. I googled the words in my title and found five infamous re-elected US felons at " Cracked.com". There are other sites listing indited US representatives. All of them were much less popular the the Lord & Savior, who has very smart words and dint get us into war, or out of war, for that matter.
Beijing4987
11-09-23, 05:24
Anybody remember the famous last words from Dwight David Eisenhower?
Anybody remember the famous last words from Dwight David Eisenhower?I don't know if they were his last words. But here is a favorite quote from him:
Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil and you're a thousand miles from the corn field - Dwight D. Eisenhower.
Governing looks mighty easy when you are a keyboard warrior and you are thousand miles away from the District of Columbia. - Subcmdr.
Anybody remember the famous last words from Dwight David Eisenhower?Yes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenhower%27s_farewell_address
Anybody remember the famous last words from Dwight David Eisenhower?Sure. They reportedly were:
"I want to go. God take me. ".
https://www.myjournalcourier.com/news/article/Holy-Cow-History-Tiffany-s-extreme-White-16927998.php#text=Dwight%20 Eisenhower%2 see%20 who%20 had%20 suffered, afternoon%20 at%20 his%20 Texas%20 ranch.
Which presumably he really meant. Contrary to that earlier bit about warning us against the "Military-Industrial Complex". LOL. Few potuses benefited more in their entire working life, political advantage and presidency from the "Military-Industrial Complex" AND deficit spending than Ike.
That was like the punchline to a long sad joke of oil industry baby GW Bush's horrific presidency when he slammed America for being "Addicted to oil".
LOL. Funny revisionist history shit those dudes try to squeeze into their legacy just before the screen door smacks them in the butt on the way out.
Given the the government needs so much financial help, maybe the Presidency of the United States of America should be restricted those with net worth of at least a billion USD.
Members of Congress should have a net worth of at least 100 million USD.
If you have been in the United States of America and managed to accumulate that kind of wealth, you should be willing to give back a few years to serve "your fellow Americans". If asked, I will serve. But with my current net worth I do not qualify under my new suggested restrictions.
I agree with you Spidy. Abortion accounts for a lot of it. Trump being the figurehead of the Republican Party didn't help either. And this isn't a good omen for Republican's chances in 2024.Let hope Dems, run their campaigns accordingly and use Ohio, Kentucky and Virginia (an other 2023 primaries), as blueprints and go "all-in", on the policies that the majority of Americas care about.
At the same time, put Repubs on blast, for their "culture war", "woke" and non-starter issues.
De Sade.
I'm liking you again. Don't let me down with crackpot ideas again, unless there is credible evidence. ... Yeah, I like the wishful thinking, but don't get your hopes UP!
Methinks, you'd have better luck at qualifying for as a Member of Congress, in SubCmdr's "new rules" for holding federal office! (...kkkk!).
MarquisdeSade1
11-09-23, 21:57
"Not a word of that was supposed to be funny. It doesn't take $877 billion a year to protect our borders. That's what the USA spends on the military annually. I don't believe the $877 billion includes much if any of the $75 billion the US has spent on Ukraine. And it certainly doesn't include the additional $60 billion for Ukraine that Congress will probably soon authorize. Or the $14.5 billion we'll be sending to Israel.
And no, the bastards shouldn't be spending our hard earned money prosecuting victimless crimes like the "high end brothel network" either.
OK, I really don't know. If the Republicans nominate anyone besides Trump and Biden's the Democratic nominee, I believe the Republican wins. And if Trump runs against any Democrat except Biden, I think the Democrat wins. Neither of the two old men are popular. ".
https://www.wcvb.com/article/federal-brothel-case-millions-dollars/45790565
But but but Bidenomics is a disaster! Nobody can afford to buy anything! There are no jobs! The Unemployment Rate is skyrocketing! Our Armed Forces are waging war in Ukraine and Gaza! The caravans are coming to take the last 2 remaining jobs and murder us in our beds!
How can the Repub mission to outlaw Sex For Pleasure, Oral Sex, Anal Sex, Sex Outside of Marriage and Access to Contraceptives "trump" the living Hell Biden and the Dems have plunged America into after Trump and his classic Repub economic policy and stewardship handed them such typically wonderful Repub economic policy and stewardship results just 2 years and 9 months ago along with nothing but more classic Repub assistance and co-operation in improving the economy and the lives of Americans ever since?
Lolol.
EihTooms, now your scaring me!
Your parody and impression of a "Chicken Little" Republican ("...ahh the sky is falling!"), was just too scary good. For a split second there, I almost, mistook you for a Republican! (blasphemy, I know...kkkk!).
But in all honesty, you'd think by now, Repubs would have figured out, Americans don't want, gov't in their bedrooms. Or telling parents what to do with their own children. These "culture wars", "bedroom" and "parental rights" issues are very much proving to be a non-starter, for Repubs.
Notice how Gov. Ron de Santis, has toned-down his "woke" rhetoric, to an imperceptible low. Or how Gov. Youngkin, lost both Houses in Virginia, because he decided to rule on women 'bodily autonomy', "...telling women a 15-week abortion ban was reasonable!". And his NEXT trick, was to sell it too the rest of country, in a bid to enter the Republican Primary for the US Presidency. This political maneuver (or manure), I think should be called the "Youngkin belly flop".
Also note, Repub candidate for Kentucky Governor, Daniel Cameron, was Moscow Mitch's, groomed man-boy for the governorship. Could Moscow Mitch, be losing his touch on Kentucky? Is this yet another sign, that "moderate" Repubs are a dying breed?
EihTooms, now your scaring me!
Your parody and impression of a "Chicken Little" Republican ("...ahh the sky is falling!"), was just too scary good. For a split second there, I almost, mistook you for a Republican! (blasphemy, I know...kkkk!).
But in all honesty, you'd think by now, Repubs would have figured out, Americans don't want, gov't in their bedrooms. Or telling parents what to do with their own children. These "culture wars", "bedroom" and "parental rights" issues are very much proving to be a non-starter, for Repubs.
Notice how Gov. Ron de Santis, has toned-down his "woke" rhetoric, to an imperceptible low. Or how Gov. Youngkin, lost both Houses in Virginia, because he decided to rule on women 'bodily autonomy', "...telling women a 15-week abortion ban was reasonable!". And his NEXT trick, was to sell it too the rest of country, in a bid to enter the Republican Primary for the US Presidency. This political maneuver (or manure), I think should be called the "Youngkin belly flop".
Also note, Repub candidate for Kentucky Governor, Daniel Cameron, was Moscow Mitch's, groomed man-boy for the governorship. Could Moscow Mitch, be losing his touch on Kentucky? Is this yet another sign, that "moderate" Repubs are a dying breed?As we enter the last 12 months before the next presidential election, bare in mind this is the time Repub candidates typically "tone-down" the sucker social issue stance they had been taking in order to get that dumb hillbilly entitlement checks money donations to see how big of a war chest they can bamboozle out of their sucker base for the run.
From here on most of the Repub candidates who have a shot at the presidency and Congress will start sounding for all the world like they could be mistaken for a reasonable Dem. Which is precisely the mistake they need the American electorate to make come election time given their Party's historic horrific economic and national security results.
And the recent election results, in fact virtually every election result since 2016 (absent the Repub-rigged Electoral College appointment of Trump) has been a wake up call for why they need to pretend to be an Earthling, a Democratic Earthling at that, before the next presidential election.
But never forget they are only pretending in order to muddy the waters about the consistently stark contrast in actual results for Dems vs Repubs after Repubs get elected and begin their inevitable and determined March to the next Great Repub Depression, Great Repub Recession, Massive Repub Jobs Destruction and whatever other "Once in 100 Years" Disaster they can facilitate and produce.
MarquisdeSade1
11-10-23, 02:54
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/09/us/politics/jill-stein-presidential-bid.html
Jill.
RFK Jr.
Cornell West.
Rep Phillips.
Will Sen Joe Manchin jump in also?
MarquisdeSade1
11-10-23, 03:03
"Not a word of that was supposed to be funny. It doesn't take $877 billion a year to protect our borders. That's what the USA spends on the military annually. I don't believe the $877 billion includes much if any of the $75 billion the US has spent on Ukraine. And it certainly doesn't include the additional $60 billion for Ukraine that Congress will probably soon authorize. Or the $14.5 billion we'll be sending to Israel.
And no, the bastards shouldn't be spending our hard earned money prosecuting victimless crimes like the "high end brothel network" either.
OK, I really don't know. If the Republicans nominate anyone besides Trump and Biden's the Democratic nominee, I believe the Republican wins. And if Trump runs against any Democrat except Biden, I think the Democrat wins. Neither of the two old men are popular. ".
Isn't everyone around here AARP eligible? At least us American Patriots are.
I hate everything about Dirty Joe, except his age.
I have no issue with his age.
I rather have a smart old guy that's been around the block a few thousand times (and no I'm not implying that applies to Dirty Joe).
As opposed to a younger dum ass unemployable "community organizer" from the ghetto in Chicago.
"Not a word of that was supposed to be funny. It doesn't take $877 billion a year to protect our borders. That's what the USA spends on the military annually. I don't believe the $877 billion includes much if any of the $75 billion the US has spent on Ukraine. And it certainly doesn't include the additional $60 billion for Ukraine that Congress will probably soon authorize. Or the $14.5 billion we'll be sending to Israel.
And no, the bastards shouldn't be spending our hard earned money prosecuting victimless crimes like the "high end brothel network" either.
OK, I really don't know. If the Republicans nominate anyone besides Trump and Biden's the Democratic nominee, I believe the Republican wins. And if Trump runs against any Democrat except Biden, I think the Democrat wins. Neither of the two old men are popular. ".
https://www.wcvb.com/article/federal-brothel-case-millions-dollars/45790565Now that you have posted a couple of links about that Boston brothel, its owners and some customers getting busted, whatever that has to do with American Politics and the posts you were quoting and responding to which you have not mentioned, perhaps it is time to mention how your beloved anti Sex For Pleasure Repubs are trying very hard to pull a "defund the prevention" bit regarding the spread of HIV the same as your lord and savior pulled to allow the development and creation of Trump's Pandemic.
And you well know how those classic Repub "defunding" missions did and still would cripple international mongering in ways I don't think made anyone on this site particularly happy. LOL.
Please note, this Republican mission to facilitate a greater spread of HIV for anyone who dares to engage in Sex For Pleasure outside of a 100% monogamous relationship PRE-DATES the 100% House Repub vote to elect ChristoFacist Mike Johnson as their Squeaker of the Repub Pink Tinkle House Majority.
Thank you for your vote.
Republicans are threatening to sabotage George W. Bushs greatest accomplishment.
A program thats saved 25 million lives is at risk of losing its congressional authorization for the first time.
July 28, 2023
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2023/7/28/23809119/republicans-hiv-aids-pepfar-george-w-bush
Republican opposition to abortion threatens global HIV/AIDS program that has saved 25 million lives.
Sept. 12, 2023
https://apnews.com/article/africa-hiv-aids-united-states-d9ef380acba1a0e96409197b39dea7fa
State Department slams GOP for failing to reauthorize global AIDS program.
10/3/2023
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4236755-state-department-slams-gop-for-failing-to-reauthorize-global-aids-program/
MarquisdeSade1
11-10-23, 05:58
"https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/09/us/politics/jill-stein-presidential-bid.html.
Jill.
RFK Jr.
Cornell West.
Rep Phillips.
Will Sen Joe Manchin jump in also?
Perot gave us NAFTA AND the CCP in the WTO and the end of Glass Steagal thanks to Bubba.
I hope that little redneck is burning in hell.
Manchin saved the American economy from BBB can he help save America again?
He is a great American.
MarquisdeSade1
11-10-23, 06:12
"I don't know if they were his last words. But here is a favorite quote from him:
Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil and you're a thousand miles from the corn field.
Governing looks mighty easy when you are a keyboard warrior and you are thousand miles away from the District of Columbia. - ".
ROTFLMMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Please don't stop.
I don't know much about the UAW negotiations, so maybe you can correct any misconceptions that I may have.
Biden's efforts probably had "0" effect on the outcome of the negotiations. He just wants to take credit, because he views himself as a champion of the union man. This is despite the fact that he spent almost his entire career in politics and probably hasn't done an honest days work during his lifetime. And yet that's somehow, that's still more work than Trump will ever do in several lifetimes, even if Trump were reincarnated as a mule, several times over.
From Google, I'm seeing that GM's offer to the UAW in September would have cost GM $150,000 per worker per year in wages and benefits. Presumably the actual amount after further negotiations is higher. Add on a second wage earner's salary, and a typical union family is perhaps making over $200,000 per year. This makes GM union plants uncompetitive in export
markets, not to say that they weren't already. And how's the working man who's not a member of the UAW supposed to afford a new car? You could be right about how "uncompetitive", they'll become? But I'm sure that won't stop CEOs from taking ever larger salaries...right?
How men, women and families budget their household incomes, remains a their own private affair. Individuals and families, will figure their priorities and allocate said budget accordingly, no matter their allocated jobs and/or salaries/wages.
Biden's regulations and tax subsidies to car owners, if not changed, will make it where many can't afford a new vehicle. Electric cars cost more. Cars built with $150,000/worker/year wages cost more. And the working man who's pulling down say $60,000 a year isn't going to get much benefit from the electric vehicle tax credits. Higher new car prices will drag up used car prices. More affordable EVs are coming and quite frankly, I don't mind seeing other US Energy sectors getting tax subsidies, other than the oil and gas industry, that have had such subsidies for decades.
But, who says it has to be a new ICE car or new EV? Used and previously owned cars, still run, don't they? Take the bus? Bicycle/E-bike? Heard of rideshare?
Now yes, maybe the ridiculously-named Inflation Reduction Act's subsidies to car companies like GM may help a little. But government is taking money out of the pocket of the taxpayer and adding to deficits to do that. Who are the beneficiaries of this pork? Well, relatively well off UAW workers and other auto company employees (like the CEO's) and auto company shareholders. Our trading partners will respond to the unfair subsidies in the Inflation Reduction Act, which will adversely affect other American businesses. Maybe they put big tariffs on soybeans or Boeing aircraft for example.
Despite your cynical criticism of the IRA, you fail to realize that the Biden support for unions like the UAW agreement for working class Americans, is ultimately strengthening America and is "...the tide that raises all boats"
UAW nabs its biggest win in decades. The big picture: Coming on the heels of similarly hard-fought agreements for UPS workers and Hollywood writers, the UAW agreements will likely inspire further organizing efforts and fuel the labor resurgence already underway.
https://www.axios.com/2023/10/31/uaw-deal-agreement-labor-explained-pay-benefit
I believe, the Hollywood writers union just settled. That a net positive gain for unions and working class Americans.
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and other Democratic senators, wrote their own letter to the IRS this week that advised the agency to rebuff industry complaints. The lawmakers chief concern was that the rules as proposed will take too long to go into force, which would disadvantage law-abiding Americans and cause the federal government to lose out on billions of dollars in tax revenue. Impose the rule as swiftly as possible, the senators suggested.
https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2023/10/12/coinbase-sounds-alarm-on-irs-crypto-tax-proposal/
Rich people don't own crypto or trade it. That is why it is under attack. The rich do not pay taxes in the (Dis)United States of America..
Learn how to use the quote function when you reply to my posts. LOL!
"I don't know if they were his last words. But here is a favorite quote from him:
Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil and you're a thousand miles from the corn field.
Governing looks mighty easy when you are a keyboard warrior and you are thousand miles away from the District of Columbia. - ".
ROTFLMMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Please don't stop.
Well, 4 out of 4 wrong when you count that Manchin BS. LOL.
"https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/09/us/politics/jill-stein-presidential-bid.html.
Jill.
RFK Jr.
Cornell West.
Rep Phillips.
Will Sen Joe Manchin jump in also?
Perot gave us NAFTA AND the CCP in the WTO and the end of Glass Steagal thanks to Bubba.
I hope that little redneck is burning in hell.
Manchin saved the American economy from BBB can he help save America again?
He is a great American.North American Free Trade Agreement
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement
The impetus for a North American free trade zone began with U.S. president Ronald Reagan, who made the idea part of his 1980 presidential campaign. After the signing of the CanadaUnited States Free Trade Agreement in 1988, the administrations of U.S. president George H. W. Bush, Mexican President Carlos Salinas de Gortari, and Canadian prime minister Brian Mulroney agreed to negotiate what became NAFTA. Each submitted the agreement for ratification in their respective capitals in December 1992, but NAFTA faced significant opposition in both the United States and Canada.Uh. Bubba did not become President until a month after the NAFTA Treaty was signed by another president, a Repub, and it was merely sitting in Congress waiting for ratification. Bubba had nothing to do with it.
China and the World Trade Organization
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_the_World_Trade_Organization
China became a member of the World Trade Organization (WTO) on 11 December 2001, after the agreement of the Ministerial Conference.Uh. Note the date. Actually, Bubba was not keen on the idea and appeared not to be into admitting them. It was another president, a Repub, who "warmed" to the idea almost a year after Bubba left office and voted to admit them.
The Repeal of the Glass‐Steagall Act: Myth and Reality.
https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/repeal-glass-steagall-act-myth-reality
However, the argument that repealing Glass‐Steagall caused the financial crisis, and that bringing it back would prevent future crises, is not supported by the facts. Glass‐Steagall could not have prevented the bank failures of the 1920s and early 1930s had it been in force earlier, and wouldnt have averted the 2008 financial crisis had it stayed in force after 1999.Uh. Aside from the fact that Glass-Steagall was repealed and replaced by an overwhelming Repub Majority in the House and an equally overwhelming VETO-PROOF Repub Majority in the Senate (roughly 90-95% votes in each house of Repub Majority-Controlled Congress) when Bubba was about as 'lame duck' as a President can be just 1 year before the end of his second term, repealing it had practically nothing to do with Repub GW Bush's Financial Crisis almost EIGHT YEARS after Bubba left office.
MarquisdeSade1
11-10-23, 21:10
https://headlineusa.com/new-report-flaws-auto-voter-registration/?utm_source=HW_EMAIL_NSP1400&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=HWemail
Its the only way a Democrat can win.
MarquisdeSade1
11-11-23, 00:47
"I don't know much about the UAW negotiations, so maybe you can correct any misconceptions that I may have.
Biden's efforts probably had "0" effect on the outcome of the negotiations. He just wants to take credit, because he views himself as a champion of the union man. This is despite the fact that he spent almost his entire career in politics and probably hasn't done an honest days work during his lifetime.
From Google, I'm seeing that GM's offer to the UAW in September would have cost GM $150,000 per worker per year in wages and benefits. Presumably the actual amount after further negotiations is higher. Add on a second wage earner's salary, and a typical union family is perhaps making over $200,000 per year. This makes GM union plants uncompetitive in export markets, not to say that they weren't already. And how's the working man who's not a member of the UAW supposed to afford a new car?
Biden's regulations and tax subsidies to car owners, if not changed, will make it where many can't afford a new vehicle. Electric cars cost more. Cars built with $150,000/ worker / year wages cost more. And the working man who's pulling down say $60,000 a year isn't going to get much benefit from the electric vehicle tax credits. Higher new car prices will drag up used car prices.
Now yes, maybe the ridiculously-named Inflation Reduction Act's subsidies to car companies like GM may help a little. But government is taking money out of the pocket of the taxpayer and adding to deficits to do that. Who are the beneficiaries of this pork? Well, relatively well off UAW workers and other auto company employees (like the CEO's) and auto company shareholders. Our trading partners will respond to the unfair subsidies in the Inflation Reduction Act, which will adversely affect other American businesses. Maybe they put big tariffs on soybeans or Boeing aircraft for example. ".
Sounds like you resent them for not accepting slave wages ala the CCP pays? 100 k isn't much better.
I seriously doubt most UAW workers have their wives working by their sides, I'm sure there are a couple butch like lesbians working there.
So you would prefer an international race to the bottom? Hunger Games for all.
German Automakers pay Germans very well and they don't have any issues being competitive.
If a man is making 100 k in America these days hes lucky if he can afford a shitty apartment let along support a family and buy a nice house even the very few with both making 200 k combined.
How many have husband and wife working there? Probably less than 1%.
This piece of shit didn't "make" 4. 1 billion last year, he stole that money.
And belongs in prison!!
This piece of shit lived right down the street from me and some savages tried to carjack his security detail (off duty chgo cops) outside his penthouse several months back.
And that really scared the pussy, so he moved to Miami.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/beverly-chicago-carjacking-illinois-family/3275039/
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/2-cook-county-men-in-custody-after-fatally-shooting-woman-at-chase-atm-in-worth
MarquisdeSade1
11-11-23, 03:15
"Well, 4 out of 4 wrong when you count that Manchin BS. LOL.
North American Free Trade Agreemen.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement
Uh. Bubba did not become President until a month after the NAFTA Treaty was signed by another president, a Repub, and it was merely sitting in Congress waiting for ratification. Bubba had nothing to do with it.
Uh. Note the date. Actually, Bubba was not keen on the idea and appeared not to be into admitting them. It was another president, a Repub, who "warmed" to the idea almost a year after Bubba left office and voted to admit them.
Uh. Aside from the fact that Glass-Steagall was repealed and replaced by an overwhelming Repub Majority in the House and an equally overwhelming VETO-PROOF Repub Majority in the Senate (roughly 90-95% votes in each house of Repub Majority-Controlled Congress) when Bubba was about as 'lame duck' as a President can be just 1 year before the end of his second term, repealing it had practically nothing to do with Repub GW Bush's Financial Crisis almost EIGHT YEARS after Bubba left office. ".
You're either a pathological liar / want to be obscurantist or really stoopid.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/08/clinton-signs-nafta-into-law-dec-8-1993-1040789#text=On%20 this%20 day%20 in%201993,world's%20 largest%20 free%2 Dtrade%20 zone.
MarquisdeSade1
11-11-23, 03:29
"Well, 4 out of 4 wrong when you count that Manchin BS. LOL.
Uh. Bubba did not become President until a month after the NAFTA Treaty was signed by another president, a Repub, and it was merely sitting in Congress waiting for ratification. Bubba had nothing to do with it.
Uh. Note the date. Actually, Bubba was not keen on the idea and appeared not to be into admitting them. It was another president, a Repub, who "warmed" to the idea almost a year after Bubba left office and voted to admit them.
Uh. Aside from the fact that Glass-Steagall was repealed and replaced by an overwhelming Repub Majority in the House and an equally overwhelming VETO-PROOF Repub Majority in the Senate (roughly 90-95% votes in each house of Repub Majority-Controlled Congress) when Bubba was about as 'lame duck' as a President can be just 1 year before the end of his second term, repealing it had practically nothing to do with Repub GW Bush's Financial Crisis almost EIGHT YEARS after Bubba left office. ".
He wasnt keen on it? Tell us how he isn't into hideous beasts either, until he marries one, or gets impeached for fucking one.
Or pay nasty Paula Jones over 1 million just for asking for a BJ and that suit led to his impeachment.
He didn't want the CCP in the WTO? Until when? Someone from Goldman Sachs whispered in his ear how much of a kick back they would give him?
Are those the sam eClintons being for something before they vote against it.
Like this.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/hillary-clinton-trade-deal-229381
Our Lord and Savior made the Clintons say TPP was baddddd.
What happened to TPP?
Instead Our Lord and Savior was elected and there will NEVER be TPP.
Instead the CCP is slowly being destroyed with our boot on its throat, its fun to watch them die a slow painful death!!
Allahu Akbar mofos!
MarquisdeSade1
11-11-23, 03:40
Well, 4 out of 4 wrong when you count that Manchin BS. LOL.
Uh. Bubba did not become President until a month after the NAFTA Treaty was signed by another president, a Repub, and it was merely sitting in Congress waiting for ratification. Bubba had nothing to do with it.
Uh. Note the date. Actually, Bubba was not keen on the idea and appeared not to be into admitting them. It was another president, a Repub, who "warmed" to the idea almost a year after Bubba left office and voted to admit them.
Uh. Aside from the fact that Glass-Steagall was repealed and replaced by an overwhelming Repub Majority in the House and an equally overwhelming VETO-PROOF Repub Majority in the Senate (roughly 90-95% votes in each house of Repub Majority-Controlled Congress) when Bubba was about as 'lame duck' as a President can be just 1 year before the end of his second term, repealing it had practically nothing to do with Repub GW Bush's Financial Crisis almost EIGHT YEARS after Bubba left office. ".
https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/the-legacy-of-the-clinton-bubble/
https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/the-legacy-of-the-clinton-bubble/
https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/the-legacy-of-the-clinton-bubble/
MarquisdeSade1
11-11-23, 03:44
Well, 4 out of 4 wrong when you count that Manchin BS. LOL.
Uh. Bubba did not become President until a month after the NAFTA Treaty was signed by another president, a Repub, and it was merely sitting in Congress waiting for ratification. Bubba had nothing to do with it.
Uh. Note the date. Actually, Bubba was not keen on the idea and appeared not to be into admitting them. It was another president, a Repub, who "warmed" to the idea almost a year after Bubba left office and voted to admit them.
Uh. Aside from the fact that Glass-Steagall was repealed and replaced by an overwhelming Repub Majority in the House and an equally overwhelming VETO-PROOF Repub Majority in the Senate (roughly 90-95% votes in each house of Repub Majority-Controlled Congress) when Bubba was about as 'lame duck' as a President can be just 1 year before the end of his second term, repealing it had practically nothing to do with Repub GW Bush's Financial Crisis almost EIGHT YEARS after Bubba left office. ".
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/manchin-offshore-drilling-ban-bbb-saving-us-disaster-experts
MarquisdeSade1
11-11-23, 04:46
MAGA MIKE running the MAGA HOUSE.
Mitch is a dead turd walking, a MAGA Senate.
A TRUMP supreme court.
And for the pičce de areésistance.
Our Lord and Savior returns to his rightful GLORY in the "WHITE / MAGA HOUSE".
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/10/us/politics/manchin-democrats-senate-map.html
ALLAHU AKBAR.
Dirty Joe, all the Biden brothers and the junkie are all going to Florence Co, Inshallah.
MarquisdeSade1
11-11-23, 18:06
"https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2023/11/11/nikki-haley-let-ceos-import-workers-graduates-need/"
Dirty Joe turning America into a dystopian hellhole 1 mile at a time
https://newbostonpost.com/2023/08/28/michelle-wu-says-many-methadone-mile-people-arent-homeless/
"Well, 4 out of 4 wrong when you count that Manchin BS. LOL.
North American Free Trade Agreemen.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement
Uh. Bubba did not become President until a month after the NAFTA Treaty was signed by another president, a Repub, and it was merely sitting in Congress waiting for ratification. Bubba had nothing to do with it.
Uh. Note the date. Actually, Bubba was not keen on the idea and appeared not to be into admitting them. It was another president, a Repub, who "warmed" to the idea almost a year after Bubba left office and voted to admit them.
Uh. Aside from the fact that Glass-Steagall was repealed and replaced by an overwhelming Repub Majority in the House and an equally overwhelming VETO-PROOF Repub Majority in the Senate (roughly 90-95% votes in each house of Repub Majority-Controlled Congress) when Bubba was about as 'lame duck' as a President can be just 1 year before the end of his second term, repealing it had practically nothing to do with Repub GW Bush's Financial Crisis almost EIGHT YEARS after Bubba left office. ".
You're either a pathological liar / want to be obscurantist or really stoopid.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/08/clinton-signs-nafta-into-law-dec-8-1993-1040789#text=On%20 this%20 day%20 in%201993,world's%20 largest%20 free%2 Dtrade%20 zone.Uh. Clinton signed it simply as a formality to end the Congressional ratification of it. He had no authority to toss it out. It was not a matter subject to a presidential veto.
It was not his treaty. Treaties don't need multiple presidential signatures to become treaties. Bush had already sighed the treaty. Twice, only because Mexico joined the second treaty that he and not Clinton signed.
Well, 4 out of 4 wrong when you count that Manchin BS. LOL.
Uh. Bubba did not become President until a month after the NAFTA Treaty was signed by another president, a Repub, and it was merely sitting in Congress waiting for ratification. Bubba had nothing to do with it.
Uh. Note the date. Actually, Bubba was not keen on the idea and appeared not to be into admitting them. It was another president, a Repub, who "warmed" to the idea almost a year after Bubba left office and voted to admit them.
Uh. Aside from the fact that Glass-Steagall was repealed and replaced by an overwhelming Repub Majority in the House and an equally overwhelming VETO-PROOF Repub Majority in the Senate (roughly 90-95% votes in each house of Repub Majority-Controlled Congress) when Bubba was about as 'lame duck' as a President can be just 1 year before the end of his second term, repealing it had practically nothing to do with Repub GW Bush's Financial Crisis almost EIGHT YEARS after Bubba left office. ".
https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/the-legacy-of-the-clinton-bubble/
https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/the-legacy-of-the-clinton-bubble/
https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/the-legacy-of-the-clinton-bubble/Dissent Magazine? LOL. That's another impressive accomplishment. How does one cite sources any more ridiculous than Breitbart and Newsmax? Why, cite Dissent Magazine, of course. LOL.
What's next for your learned sources? Fake News For Numbskulls Magazine?
You were just repeating another lie your lord and savior shoveled down your throat. Lol
"Well, 4 out of 4 wrong when you count that Manchin BS. LOL.
North American Free Trade Agreemen.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement
Uh. Bubba did not become President until a month after the NAFTA Treaty was signed by another president, a Repub, and it was merely sitting in Congress waiting for ratification. Bubba had nothing to do with it.
Uh. Note the date. Actually, Bubba was not keen on the idea and appeared not to be into admitting them. It was another president, a Repub, who "warmed" to the idea almost a year after Bubba left office and voted to admit them.
Uh. Aside from the fact that Glass-Steagall was repealed and replaced by an overwhelming Repub Majority in the House and an equally overwhelming VETO-PROOF Repub Majority in the Senate (roughly 90-95% votes in each house of Repub Majority-Controlled Congress) when Bubba was about as 'lame duck' as a President can be just 1 year before the end of his second term, repealing it had practically nothing to do with Repub GW Bush's Financial Crisis almost EIGHT YEARS after Bubba left office. ".
You're either a pathological liar / want to be obscurantist or really stoopid.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/08/clinton-signs-nafta-into-law-dec-8-1993-1040789#text=On%20 this%20 day%20 in%201993,world's%20 largest%20 free%2 Dtrade%20 zone.Trump wrong on Bill Clinton and NAFTA
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/opinion/readers/2016/09/22/letter-trump-wrong-bill-clinton-and-nafta/90844764/#text=The%20 NAFTA%20 Treaty%20 had%20 to, would%20 have%20 overturned%20 his%20 veto.
The NAFTA Treaty had to be voted on by Congress, which voted to ratify the NAFTA Trade Agreement and was signed into law in December 1993. The agreement, due to the makeup of Congress, was veto-proof, and if President Clinton refused to sign it Congress would have overturned his veto.BTW, nothing either Mexico or Canada or Mexico AND Canada have ever done in the entire history of America, including all of the boogeyman Caravans you, Dissent Magazine and Fake News For Numbskulls Magazine can conjure up, has been more damaging and destructive to the National Security, Economy and Jobs Creation of the USA than just the last two Repub so-called presidents of the USA.
Well, 4 out of 4 wrong when you count that Manchin BS. LOL.
Uh. Bubba did not become President until a month after the NAFTA Treaty was signed by another president, a Repub, and it was merely sitting in Congress waiting for ratification. Bubba had nothing to do with it.
Uh. Note the date. Actually, Bubba was not keen on the idea and appeared not to be into admitting them. It was another president, a Repub, who "warmed" to the idea almost a year after Bubba left office and voted to admit them.
Uh. Aside from the fact that Glass-Steagall was repealed and replaced by an overwhelming Repub Majority in the House and an equally overwhelming VETO-PROOF Repub Majority in the Senate (roughly 90-95% votes in each house of Repub Majority-Controlled Congress) when Bubba was about as 'lame duck' as a President can be just 1 year before the end of his second term, repealing it had practically nothing to do with Repub GW Bush's Financial Crisis almost EIGHT YEARS after Bubba left office. ".
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/manchin-offshore-drilling-ban-bbb-saving-us-disaster-expertsOh, boo hoo. The poor widdle Oil and Gas Industry isn't happy about this:
Biden granted more oil and gas drilling permits than Trump in his first 2 years in office.
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-granted-more-oil-and-gas-drilling-permits-than-trump-in-his-first-2-years-in-office-190528616.html
Meanwhile, Biden's economic policies and stewardship has produced more jobs than the total number of net gained jobs due to the same from every Republican president combined going all the way back to Lincoln. The LOSS of millions upon millions of jobs just under Trump, GW Bush and Herbert Hoover along with the pathetically inferior jobs creation results for Eisenhower, Nixon / Ford, Reagan and GHW Bush made sure of it. Without DINO Joe Manchin struggling to blow a bunch of dumb Repub hillbillies in West Virginia in a vain attempt to save his political ass there, even more jobs would have been created under Biden by now. Hell, you might have finally found one yourself by now befitting your unique qualifications.
Elvis 2008
11-12-23, 04:18
https://headlineusa.com/new-report-flaws-auto-voter-registration/?utm_source=HW_EMAIL_NSP1400&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=HWemail
Its the only way a Democrat can win.MDS, the 2016 election was rigged by Putin, and 2020 was the most secure in history. Don't you read the NY Times?
MarquisdeSade1
11-12-23, 04:41
Dissent Magazine? LOL. That's another impressive accomplishment. How does one cite sources any more ridiculous than Breitbart and Newsmax? Why, cite Dissent Magazine, of course. LOL.
What's next for your learned sources? Fake News For Numbskulls Magazine?
https://www.epi.org/publication/issuebriefs_ib137/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States%E2%80%93China_Relations_Act_of_2000#text=President%20 Bill%20 Clinton%20 in%202000,of%20 a%20 one%2 Dway%20 street.
President Bill Clinton in 2000 pushed Congress to approve the USA -China trade agreement and China's accession to the WTO, saying that more trade with China would advance America's economic interests: "Economically, this agreement is the equivalent of a one-way street. It requires China to open its markets—with a fifth of the world's population, potentially the biggest markets in the world—to both our products and services in unprecedented new ways," said Clinton. In a speech in 2000, Clinton reiterated his hopes.
Dissent Magazine? LOL. That's another impressive accomplishment. How does one cite sources any more ridiculous than Breitbart and Newsmax? Why, cite Dissent Magazine, of course. LOL.
What's next for your learned sources? Fake News For Numbskulls Magazine?
https://www.epi.org/publication/issuebriefs_ib137/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States%E2%80%93China_Relations_Act_of_2000#text=President%20 Bill%20 Clinton%20 in%202000,of%20 a%20 one%2 Dway%20 street.
President Bill Clinton in 2000 pushed Congress to approve the USA -China trade agreement and China's accession to the WTO, saying that more trade with China would advance America's economic interests: "Economically, this agreement is the equivalent of a one-way street. It requires China to open its marketswith a fifth of the world's population, potentially the biggest markets in the worldto both our products and services in unprecedented new ways," said Clinton. In a speech in 2000, Clinton reiterated his hopes.Thanks. From your link;.
China became a member of WTO on
December 11, 2001, and its permanent normal trade relations status with the US was made permanent on December 27, 2001.Perhaps this is the part of Repub GW Bush's voting to admit China into the WTO that rankles less you the most. Namely, Repub Donald Trump's spectacularly failed stewardship of his China "trade" negotiations:
More pain than gain: How the US-China trade war hurt America.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/more-pain-than-gain-how-the-us-china-trade-war-hurt-america/
REALTIME ECONOMICS
China bought none of the extra $200 billion of US exports in Trump's trade deal.
https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/china-bought-none-extra-200-billion-us-exports-trumps-trade-deal
MarquisdeSade1
11-12-23, 05:51
"MDS, the 2016 election was rigged by Putin, and 2020 was the most secure in history. Don't you read the NY Times?
I really hope it triggers a 2nd Civil War!!
MDS, the 2016 election was rigged by Putin, and 2020 was the most secure in history. Don't you read the NY Times?Did the NYT really report that Putin "rigged" the 2016 election? If so, Putin should sue it for $787 Million. There is precedent.
Well, no, 2016 was greatly influenced by Putin and Team Trump's extraordinarily tight collusion during the campaign. Not exactly "rigged" by him in the way the Electoral College system tries to "rig" it to favor whichever candidate the American electorate would rather not be POTUS. That being the Repub candidate in 7 out of the 8 most recent presidential elections.
Putin does not have to "rig" anything he wants done by any Repub. He just expresses his wishes and they jump. Then they ask "How high" on the way UP.
LOL. Who needed a Russian to "rig" the 2016 election for Trump when we had a Repub Director of the FBI in place to pull a last minute stunt to swing it to him.
But, yes, the 2020 election was historically secure as affirmed by any and every credible news source, something like 60 federal judges, some appointed by Trump himself, virtually everyone in the Trump administration who looked into it and was roundly and accurately reported as such.
Elvis 2008
11-12-23, 19:33
LOL. Who needed a Russian to "rig" the 2016 election for Trump when we had a Repub Director of the FBI in place to pull a last minute stunt to swing it to him.
But, yes, the 2020 election was historically secure as affirmed by any and every credible news source, something like 60 federal judges, some appointed by Trump himself, virtually everyone in the Trump administration who looked into it and was roundly and accurately reported as such.So 2016 election was rigged by the FBI and the 2020 election was the most secure in history? I feel so much better now.
MarquisdeSade1
11-12-23, 19:56
"Did the NYT really report that Putin "rigged" the 2016 election? If so, Putin should sue it for $787 Million. There is precedent.
Well, no, 2016 was greatly influenced by Putin and Team Trump's extraordinarily tight collusion during the campaign. Not exactly "rigged" by him in the way the Electoral College system tries to "rig" it to favor whichever candidate the American electorate would rather not be POTUS. That being the Repub candidate in 7 out of the 8 most recent presidential elections.
Putin does not have to "rig" anything he wants done by any Repub. He just expresses his wishes and they jump. Then they ask "How high" on the way UP.
LOL. Who needed a Russian to "rig" the 2016 election for Trump when we had a Repub Director of the FBI in place to pull a last minute stunt to swing it to him.
But, yes, the 2020 election was historically secure as affirmed by any and every credible news source, something like 60 federal judges, some appointed by Trump himself, virtually everyone in the Trump administration who looked into it and was roundly and accurately reported as such. ".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
MarquisdeSade1
11-12-23, 20:00
"Did the NYT really report that Putin "rigged" the 2016 election? If so, Putin should sue it for $787 Million. There is precedent.
Well, no, 2016 was greatly influenced by Putin and Team Trump's extraordinarily tight collusion during the campaign. Not exactly "rigged" by him in the way the Electoral College system tries to "rig" it to favor whichever candidate the American electorate would rather not be POTUS. That being the Repub candidate in 7 out of the 8 most recent presidential elections.
Putin does not have to "rig" anything he wants done by any Repub. He just expresses his wishes and they jump. Then they ask "How high" on the way UP.
LOL. Who needed a Russian to "rig" the 2016 election for Trump when we had a Repub Director of the FBI in place to pull a last minute stunt to swing it to him.
But, yes, the 2020 election was historically secure as affirmed by any and every credible news source, something like 60 federal judges, some appointed by Trump himself, virtually everyone in the Trump administration who looked into it and was roundly and accurately reported as such. ".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/31/how-the-2020-election-was-rigged/
Trump is now in full agreement with fellow wannabe authoritarian dictator Viktor Orban, "the head of Turkey, Hungary" or whatever that President Obama should resign and they should "replace" him with Trump so he can make the world trouble-free and safe again like it was in 2020 when Trump's Pandemic gave all of us the "best economy in history" and apparently bothered no one because, you know, China "feared" him:
https://youtu.be/2_TUTI4wMvs?si=8KuYbnZ_ub5ALNT9
Cue the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media to largely ignore this latest in an almost 9 year endless series of confused, incoherent blathering by Trump demonstrating his dangerously serious cognitive impairment, for which there is no Joe Biden counterpart, none, and continue to mention Biden's age twice as often and they mention Trump's. LOL.
So 2016 election was rigged by the FBI and the 2020 election was the most secure in history? I feel so much better now.Hmm. We'll, of course, I didn't say the Repub Director of the FBI "rigged" the 2016 election for his beloved fellow Repub Trump, did I? Actually, what I said was quite contrary to the idea that anyone needed to "rig" it for him.
Maybe we should do a quick check up; like Trump, do you also believe Barack Obama is the current President, that Trump defeated GW Bush in some election somewhere at some point, that Trump was busy being president all through 2021, that he kept us out of WWII, that we and the rest of the world had the best economy in history in 2020 and so on?
if Obama is really the current POTUS pulling the strings and making the decisions for Joe Biden, how does a 15 years younger than Trump, highly accomplished half African- American fit the $Billion of free Trump Campaign donations from Mainstream Media harping on Joe Biden's age and reduced support in the polls from African-Americans?
Well, anyway, that seems like the logical followup question Brian could and should have asked Trump when he gave him that lame excuse for why he keeps referring to Biden as Obama.
Oh, and what about the part where Trump thinks he was busy being potus all through 2021, that thingy about WWII, etc, etc, etc.
https://crooksandliars.com/2023/11/leslie-marshall-calls-out-brian-kilmeades
Elvis 2008
11-13-23, 19:56
Hmm. We'll, of course, I didn't say the Repub Director of the FBI "rigged" the 2016 election for his beloved fellow Repub Trump, did I?Yeah, you did.
Actually, what I said was quite contrary to the idea that anyone needed to "rig" it for him.Well, if you pull out the Clintonian defense, what is your definition of is, I guess you could claim that pulling a stunt and rigging are different, but IMO they are the same. You are saying people voted for Trump not because they liked him but that they were manipulated.
Maybe we should do a quick check up; like Trump, do you also believe Barack Obama is the current PresidentBack to Obama now? Man, it is hard being a Democrat these days and keeping the narratives straight. Tooms, you have twisted yourself into so much of a pretzel you need salt.
It was so much easier in 2012 when the Dems won without cheating. It reminds me of the end of Shane, "Barack, come back. ".
MarquisdeSade1
11-14-23, 04:59
"Yeah, you did.
Well, if you pull out the Clintonian defense, what is your definition of is, I guess you could claim that pulling a stunt and rigging are different, but IMO they are the same. You are saying people voted for Trump not because they liked him but that they were manipulated.
Back to Obama now? Man, it is hard being a Democrat these days and keeping the narratives straight. Tooms, you have twisted yourself into so much of a pretzel you need salt.
It was so much easier in 2012 when the Dems won without cheating. It reminds me of the end of Shane, "Barack, come back. ". ".
https://nypost.com/2023/11/13/news/biden-reportedly-called-axelrod-a-p-as-tensions-boil-over-with-former-obama-adviser/?utm_source=gmail&utm_campaign=android_nyp
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/12/joe-biden-shown-where-to-stand-wreath-laying-ceremony/
I think Axelrod is so upset because even they know they cannot pull off the size of the voter fraud needed to repeat 2020 in 2024.
The spread is just too large to cover.
Yeah, you did.
Well, if you pull out the Clintonian defense, what is your definition of is, I guess you could claim that pulling a stunt and rigging are different, but IMO they are the same. You are saying people voted for Trump not because they liked him but that they were manipulated.
Back to Obama now? Man, it is hard being a Democrat these days and keeping the narratives straight. Tooms, you have twisted yourself into so much of a pretzel you need salt.
It was so much easier in 2012 when the Dems won without cheating. It reminds me of the end of Shane, "Barack, come back. ".OK, here it is; an election stunt "is" NOT "rigging". It "is" NOT even "cheating. ".
When someone begins the sentence with, "Who needs rigging when", then follows it with an example of something that "is" NOT rigging but merely a break in protocol in order to give his side a last minute advantage, that "is" NOT asserting that something was "rigged" by them. Election season stunts are commonplace.
By contrast, the Electoral College system "is" NOT a "stunt". It "is" a system rigged to favor a candidate who the American electorate would rather not be POTUS as sometimes evidenced in their votes. As was the case for the Repub candidate in 7 of the 8 most recent presidential elections.
So you believe as Trump does that Obama is the current POTUS, that Trump was busy being potus during 2021, that Trump's guidance will avert WWII, that the 2020 election was stolen from him, etc, etc and all those other loony lies or astonishingly stupid assertions Trump has made lately? I mean, without even twisting yourself into a pretzel you agree with Trump on those loony conclusions?
Yeah, you did.
Well, if you pull out the Clintonian defense, what is your definition of is, I guess you could claim that pulling a stunt and rigging are different, but IMO they are the same. You are saying people voted for Trump not because they liked him but that they were manipulated.
Back to Obama now? Man, it is hard being a Democrat these days and keeping the narratives straight. Tooms, you have twisted yourself into so much of a pretzel you need salt.
It was so much easier in 2012 when the Dems won without cheating. It reminds me of the end of Shane, "Barack, come back. ".BTW, it is Trump who has Barack Obama on his mind so much he thinks Obama is still POTUS. Did you not understand what happened and who called who "Obama" and not "Biden" multiple times?
My God, virtually every campaign ad is designed to "manipulate" the audience into voting a certain way.
"rigging" would at least require some deception or lies. The Repub FBI Director didn't lie to give his beloved fellow Repub a last minute boost. He just pulled a last minute political stunt contrary to the standard protocol of the situation.
Nobody has accused his political opponents of "rigging" an election more than Donald Trump. Do you think he has only meant his opponents were "manipulating" voters into believing he is not fit for office? I'm quite sure he meant illegally tampering with the votes. Ask Fux why they had to jump on a $787 Millon settlement and fire Carlson because they knowingly repeated Trump's lies about what he meant about "rigging" the election.
ChristoFacist Mike Johnson endorsed Trump on CNBC's Squawk Box and you will probably only see and read only some of what he said in the printed reports of it.
This important tidbit from the Squeaker of the Pink Tinkle Repub House Majority on his reasons to endorse him is not generally included in those printed quotes. You have to actually watch the video clip to hear him say this astonishingly ignorant and / or stupid thing about the very recent history of the USA economy and Trump's participation or not in it:
"Those first two years, as you all know, we brought about the best economic numbers in the history of the WORLD, not just the country, because his (Trump's) policies WORKED"!
Watch the video here:
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/14/speaker-mike-johnson-endorses-trump-defends-false-election-claims.html?__source=androidappshare
Uh.
1. It is not clear when ChristoFacist Mike already endorsed Trump before this announcement as he claimed here. Publicly, that is. So it is likely he committed a Mortal Sin by his standards by lying about that.
2. Trump did not have ANY of his policies in place for the entirety of his first year in office. He played golf and thought up insulting nicknames for his critics. That's it. Otherwise, he simply coasted on the remarkably positive economic trajectory handed to him by the Obama-Biden Administration.
3. His one and only economic legislation prior to the emergency relief legislation he had to rush into the system before the 2020 election due to his historically disastrous numbers his historically disastrous policies and stewardship produced in his last year in office wasn't even signed and passed until the last business day of his first year in office and that one was projected by the CBO to add at least $1. 5 Trillion to the deficit every 10 years into infinity and was producing fewer jobs with it than without it.
4. Trump's so-called presidency last 4 miserable years, not just two years including that first year where he was only coasting on what he inherited and not passing any economic legislation. Why doesn't ChristoFacist Mike and every other Trump policy defenders mention the end result of all four years of his wonderful policies and stewardship? Lolol. You know, the numbers President Biden inherited from Trump thanks to Trump's terrific economic and national security decisions in 2018, 2019 and 2020.
5. Naturally, the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media hacks on that show didn't bother to challenge ChristoFacist Mike on his ridiculous assessment of Donald Trump's true and verifiable policy and stewardship numbers for his entire 4 year term. And that show is supposed to be all about economic and financial matters! LOL.
6. If you can stomach watching and listening to ChristoFacist Mike for the full 6 minute clip, you should see flashing red warning signs that the house of Congress charged with holding the purse strings is headed by such a pathetic simpleton regarding the economy and easily available economic data.
Had It not been for the drama of his 91 count Felony indictments and trials simmering in the background his venture likely would have attracted even less attention and lost more money:
Trump's Truth Social has lost $73 million since its launch
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/14/trumps-truth-social-has-lost-73-million-since-its-launch-faces-potential-shutdown.html?__source=androidappshare
Truth Social, the brain child of former President Donald Trump, is hemorrhaging cash.
The alternative social media platform has lost $73 million in the less than two years since it launched, according to a new filing from Digital World Acquisition Corporation, or DWAC, the special purpose acquisition company aiming to take Trump Media and Technology Group, or TMTG, public.As ChristoFacist Mike Johnson will tell you with a pious smile, that's because "Trump's policies WORKED"!
More infighting, as Repubs clash with one another and come very close to fisticuffs! As the debt default looms large...it is indeed a Repub clown show!
'Stand your butt up': GOP senator challenges union boss to fist fight and Bernie Sanders is forced to break it up
https://www.theblaze.com/news/markwayne-mullin-challenges-sean-obrien-fight
https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/11/14/stand-your-butt-up-gop-sen-mullin-tries-to-fight-teamsters-president-during-committee-meeting/
Rep. Tim Burchett, R-Tenn. I was one of eight that voted him out, Burchett told reporters Tuesday morning, calling McCarthy a bully.
House GOP member accuses Kevin McCarthy of elbowing him in the back
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/11/14/republican-tim-burchett-kevin-mccarthy-elbow/71579969007/
Once again, it very much looks like, the Dems don't have to do a damn thing to bring the Repubs to heel. Just give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves, beat each other to a pulp or just simply implode!
Which would be on Brand (imploding that is), for QAnon\MAGA Repubs!
In the wake of 2023 Elections, where Americas loudly proclaim "NO, NO, NO", to QAnon/MAGA Repub extremist politics, we get the yet another bunch of Republican losers, brought to you, courtesy of the 3rd, 2024 Republican Presidential Primary Debate (Wednesday Nov 8th).
The "no policies" and "no governing", Repub party, apparently, just wants to war monger, bomb stuff and control women's bodily autonomy.
Let's RECAP, shall we:
-Ron de Santis, "...he [Trump] should explain why he racked-up so much debt." {Hey EihTooms, it looks like Ron de Santis, agrees with you!}
-Ron de Santis, "...he [Trump] should explain why didn't get Mexico to pay for the border wall."
-Ron de Santis, "...he [Trump] should explain why he didn't drain the swamp?" {Yes but he did drain the swamp! It's just that it was "moderate" Repubs that were being "drained" (...kkkk!)}
-Ron de Santis, "...he [Trump] said Repubs would get tried of "winning"...we saw last night, I'm sick of Repubs LOOSING" {I'm not, I'm rather enjoying it (...kkkk!)}
-Nikki Haley, "...he [Trump] put us 8 trillion dollars in debt and our kids are never going to forgive us for that." {Hey EihTooms, and Nikki Haley too! (...kkkk!)}
-Tim Scott, "...I invite Nikki Haley and Ron de Santis to join me in a nation wide 15-week abortion ban ..." What a dumb ass, did he not see, the 2023 Elections the previous night, where the Repubs LOSE BIG-TIME, on the very same 15-weeks abortion ban/limit in Virginia, in the "Youngkin Belly Flop"? Talk about tone-deaf!
-Vivek Ramaswamy, "...we've become a Party of Losers" {(....kkkk!) couldn't have said it better myself!}
-Vivek Ramaswamy, "Zelinski is a NAZI..." {REALLY dude...as he ignores the real Nazis and Neo-Nazi white supremacist terrorist groups, marching through Florida/America.}
-Chris Christie, "He's shown himself to be completely self-centered, completely self-consumed," Christie said of Trump. "He doesn't give a damn about the American people." {Well better late than never to the party, Chris?}
I only caught the highlights, so feel free to interject.
Conclusion:
The Republican Presidential Candidates admit, Trump ran up the debt, to unrepresented levels. Exactly what EihTooms, has been telling the so called ISG Repub economists all along (...kkkk!)
From the highlight, I don't know if there's a real winner, but Yes, according to Vivek, who's absolutely right, the Republicans have become "...a Party of Losers" and looking more like clowns, everyday!
Yep. They really know how to govern! Just asinine. This "Senator" is a clown just like the guy called him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDXpFgvIMec&ab_channel=CNN. What a disgrace to the institution.
Elvis 2008
11-15-23, 18:38
OK, here it is; an election stunt "is" NOT "rigging". It "is" NOT even "cheating. ".Again, with the Clintonian defense and what the definition of what is is?
Man, you are Mr. Pretzel all over again. I think salt is not enough. I think you need to be dipped in nacho cheese.
Elvis 2008
11-15-23, 18:59
I think Axelrod is so upset because even they know they cannot pull off the size of the voter fraud needed to repeat 2020 in 2024.
The spread is just too large to cover.And this starts at the primary level. One of the great untold political stories is how Hiliary rigged the 2016 primaries against Bernie. She then tried to do the same thing in 2016 with Trump and lost.
I was talking to someone about why the swamp likes Dems more, and the answer was not Dems are more in line with the views of the CIA and FBI. It is just that the Democratic primaries are easier to rig than Republican ones.
There was this great book by John Grisham called the Brethren. It was a light and fun read. Here is the description:
The "Brethren" are three former judges who are incarcerated at a fictional federal minimum security prison. The trio embark on a scam to deceive and exploit wealthy closeted gay men. None of them are gay, but they write convincingly as two young vulnerable gay men, developing friendships and then asking for financial help. In some cases, they also try blackmail.
Meanwhile, Teddy Maynard, the ruthless and soon-to-retire director of the CIA, is orchestrating a scheme to tip the United States presidential election in the favor of Aaron Lake, a hawkish congressman supported by arms manufacturers. However, Lake, who is closeted, is hooked by the unwitting Brethren in their scam.
End of link.
Grisham is a popular author, and it was never mentioned or controversial that the CIA was busy picking presidents, and you wonder how many times they have.
That is the thing the Dems here do not get. Why do people love Trump so much? Well maybe because we know that it is obvious the CIA did not pick him. We did.
Hell, Chuck "seven ways to Sunday" Schumer even admitted the CIA controls most the pols.
CheckMate1
11-15-23, 20:44
Yep. They really know how to govern! Just asinine. This "Senator" is a clown just like the guy called him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDXpFgvIMec&ab_channel=CNN. What a disgrace to the institution.As long as MAGA continues, and I think they will in the next two elections, the clowns will be front and center. Partly because they're (Republicans) too afraid of losing their seats (incumbents), or they're in a safe districts which allows them to continue with whatever the flavor of the day is with regards to "important issues". Meanwhile, they can't or don't want to govern and actually put forth legislations to help their constituents, and the nation as a whole.
Example: Putting up a bill to reduce a salary of current administration heads does nothing for her constituents, nor will it pass by the senate. It demonstrates pettiness reserved for 11 year olds.
Until spines are grown and party rejects the MAGA faction, I won't look at the party seriously, let alone consider it a viable governing option.
And this starts at the primary level. One of the great untold political stories is how Hiliary rigged the 2016 primaries against Bernie. She then tried to do the same thing in 2016 with Trump and lost.
I was talking to someone about why the swamp likes Dems more, and the answer was not Dems are more in line with the views of the CIA and FBI. It is just that the Democratic primaries are easier to rig than Republican ones.
There was this great book by John Grisham called the Brethren. It was a light and fun read. Here is the description:
The "Brethren" are three former judges who are incarcerated at a fictional federal minimum security prison. The trio embark on a scam to deceive and exploit wealthy closeted gay men. None of them are gay, but they write convincingly as two young vulnerable gay men, developing friendships and then asking for financial help. In some cases, they also try blackmail.
Meanwhile, Teddy Maynard, the ruthless and soon-to-retire director of the CIA, is orchestrating a scheme to tip the United States presidential election in the favor of Aaron Lake, a hawkish congressman supported by arms manufacturers. However, Lake, who is closeted, is hooked by the unwitting Brethren in their scam.
End of link.
Grisham is a popular author, and it was never mentioned or controversial that the CIA was busy picking presidents, and you wonder how many times they have.
That is the thing the Dems here do not get. Why do people love Trump so much? Well maybe because we know that it is obvious the CIA did not pick him. We did.
Hell, Chuck "seven ways to Sunday" Schumer even admitted the CIA controls most the pols.Although the term "rigged" was used for many years in reference to other things, Trump was eager to claim many times that he was the first to use it with regard to the REPUB PRIMARIES being RIGGED against him!
OK, Twisty McPretzel, twist your way out of this one:
Trump's 'Rigged' Claim.
July 12, 2016
https://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/trumps-rigged-claim/
Trump is fond of the word rigged. The primary process, the economy, the justice system that did not charge Hillary Clinton with a crime: all rigged. Trump now says hes a political trendsetter, claiming Bernie Sanders and then everybody followed his lead and started using the word rigged too. Thats false.
Our review of public statements suggests Trump borrowed the word from Sanders, who regularly has used the term rigged to describe the government systems that institutionalize income inequality. That has been a Sanders theme since day one of his campaign long before Trump made the word a regular staple of his stump speeches.
In fact, populist politicians have been using the term rigged for decades to describe various government or political systems despite Trumps claim that a couple political pros told him that he was a trailblazer in using the word rigged.
Before we dig into the political uses of rigged, though, lets set the scene with Trumps odd boast, made during a rally in Raleigh, North Carolina, on July 5 after the FBI director announced that he would not recommend criminal charges against Clinton for her use of a private email server when she served as secretary of state.
Today is the best evidence ever that weve seen that our system is absolutely, totally rigged, Trump said. Its rigged.
Trump then went on to say that he was the first to use the term rigged in the Republican primaries, in reference to his displeasure with not being awarded delegates proportional to his vote tally in some states. Then all of a sudden, he said rigged became a hot term. People like Sanders started using it, Trump said, and now everyone talks about rigged.'
Trump in North Carolina, July 5: And I used that term initially when I was running in the Republican primaries and I was the first to use it. Then all of a sudden it became a hot term. Everybody was using the word, rigged, rigged, rigged. But if you remember, Id win Louisiana and Id find out Id be getting enough delegates, what happens? And places like Colorado which were so good to me, but all of a sudden we find out that they dont have the vote. And other things. OK. I used the word great. And frankly Ill be honest. If I didnt win in landslides I wouldnt be standing up here. Youd be watching some politician who would lose to Hillary Clinton. OK? Believe me. Believe me.
I started winning I learned about rigged very fast. I learned. But I used the term rigged. Then all of a sudden Bernie started using it and other people and now everyone talks about rigged but Im gonna keep using it because I was the one that brought it up and Im the one, and I asked a couple of political pros, Did you ever hear the word rigged, its a rigged everything? And they really it hasnt been a thing used, I guess it has to be somewhere along the line, but it hasnt.
Trump mentioned it again the next day during a speech in Cincinnati.
Trump in Cincinnati, July 6: The FBI director said Hillary failed to turn over several thousand work-related emails, including emails that were classified. Right? Rigged system folks. Remember I used to say it. Im the one that brought that word up. Now everybodys using it. Bernie Sanders is rightfully using it. Because honestly what they did with him was not good.
We realize there are bigger issues being discussed on the campaign trail. But when Trump claimed that Im the one that brought that word up and that now everybodys using it, we wondered if that could possibly be true.
Less than two months after announcing his presidential candidacy in June 2015, Trump got some written advice from his longtime adviser Roger Stone. As the Washington Post reported on Aug. 9, 2015, In a 13-page memo to Trump, Stone urged him to state that the system is rigged against the citizens and that he is the lone candidate who cannot be bought.'
But we couldnt find any evidence that Trump actually took that advice at least not by literally using the word rigged until the following April, when Trump began to criticize the Republican primary system as well as the Democratic primary system, on behalf of Sanders. Trump was concerned that delegate counts were not matching popular vote counts in some states.
At a rally in Albany, New York, on April 11, for example, Trump railed against the Republican primary process, calling it a rigged, disgusting dirty system. Later that month, at a rally in Indiana, Trump called the Republican primary process a rigged, crooked system thats designed so that the bosses can pick whoever they want.
In June, Trump described the political system more broadly as totally rigged in order to keep incumbent politicians in power.
Trump, June 7: After years of disappointment, there is one thing we all have learned we cant fix the rigged system by relying on very, and I mean this so, so strongly, on the very people who rigged it, and they rigged it, and do not ever think anything differently. We cant solve our problems by counting on the politicians who created our problems.
In a June 22 speech in New York City, Trump used the word seven times in just over a minute to describe not just the political system, but the whole economy.
Trump, June 22: Well will never be able to fix a rigged system by counting on the same people who have rigged it in the first place. The insiders wrote the rules of the game to keep themselves in power and in the money. Thats why were asking Bernie Sanders voters to join our movement: so together we can fix the system for all Americans. So important. This includes fixing all of our many disastrous trade deals. Because its not just the political system thats rigged, its the whole economy. Its rigged by big donors who want to keep wages down. Its rigged by big businesses who want to leave our country, fire our workers, and sell their products back into the United States with absolutely no consequences for them. Its rigged by bureaucrats who are trapping kids in failing schools. Its rigged against you, the American people.
More recently, as we noted earlier, Trump has used the word rigged to describe the justice system that decided not to prosecute Clinton for her use of a private email system when she served as secretary of state.
So theres no question Trump has embraced rigged everything in his speeches and interviews. But is he responsible for introducing the term into the current political discourse? Hardly.
We did word searches on speeches by Trump catalogued by Project Vote Smart and did a Lexis Nexis search of all newspaper articles using the words Trump and rigged. We didnt find any evidence of Trump using the word rigged from the beginning of his campaign in June 2015 until April 2016, when it became a regular feature in his speeches.
Sanders, on the other hand, regularly used the term rigged to describe the U.S. economy even before Trump entered the race and before Stone advised Trump to use the word rigged to describe the system. In his announcement speech on May 26, 2015, Sanders talked about income inequality and said, This type of rigged economy is not what America is supposed to be about.
Project Vote Smart documents at least 40 instances of Sanders using the term rigged in speeches and interviews between the first day of his candidacy and Trumps initial use of the term in April 2016. From the start, Sanders campaign website included a page on Income and Wealth Inequality and concludes, This is what a rigged economic system looks like. It was one of the central themes of Sanders campaign.
Although Trump claimed to have introduced rigged to the Republican primary, he didnt. During a Republican primary debate in January, Carly Fiorina criticized the establishment, the media and pundits, saying, The game is rigged. That same month, John Kasich similarly claimed the system is rigged.
But lets go back a little further, before the 2016 campaign. In a major speech at the Democratic convention in 2012, Sen. Elizabeth Warren famously said, People feel like the system is rigged against them. And heres the painful part: Theyre right. The system is rigged.
Warrens public statements archived by Project Vote Smart since January 2012 show the Massachusetts senator has used the term frequently over the last five years.
But we can go back even further than that. Trump may take credit for introducing the term rigged to describe the primary process, but thats exactly the word Jerry Brown used in 1992 to describe that very system.
Jerry Brown, May 21, 1992: The way the Democratic Party has rigged its rules, it uses something it calls Super Tuesday to try to promote a Southern conservative candidate as a way to win votes. But what that does is leave California and Oregon and a lot of other states out of the process.
Other random examples of elected officials using the term rigged on the House or Senate floor over the years can be found here and here and here and here and here and here. We could go on. But the point is that politicians have long been using the term rigged to describe government and political systems for years and years.
Trump may have a newfound affection for the word. But he didnt introduce it into the political discourse. It was already there.Maybe you missed all those early claims by Trump that the REPUB PRIMARIES were RIGGED against him because you were busy looking for tubs of sea salt to roll in after baking.
Meanwhile, you do know that Bernie Sanders is not a member of the Democratic Party, right? And that he only "became" one temporarily in order to freeload on whatever DNC money and support he could glom onto for a presidential nomination election run, right?
MarquisdeSade1
11-16-23, 17:09
"Oh, boo hoo. The poor widdle Oil and Gas Industry isn't happy about this:
Meanwhile, Biden's economic policies and stewardship has produced more jobs than the total number of net gained jobs due to the same from every Republican president combined going all the way back to Lincoln. The LOSS of millions upon millions of jobs just under Trump, GW Bush and Herbert Hoover along with the pathetically inferior jobs creation results for Eisenhower, Nixon / Ford, Reagan and GHW Bush made sure of it. Without DINO Joe Manchin struggling to blow a bunch of dumb Repub hillbillies in West Virginia in a vain attempt to save his political ass there, even more jobs would have been created under Biden by now. Hell, you might have finally found one yourself by now befitting your unique qualifications. ".
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/11/16/manchin-wed-be-in-a-recession-if-not-a-deep-depression-if-biden-dems-got-their-way-on-bbb/
MarquisdeSade1
11-16-23, 17:23
"And this starts at the primary level. One of the great untold political stories is how Hiliary rigged the 2016 primaries against Bernie. She then tried to do the same thing in 2016 with Trump and lost.
I was talking to someone about why the swamp likes Dems more, and the answer was not Dems are more in line with the views of the CIA and FBI. It is just that the Democratic primaries are easier to rig than Republican ones.
There was this great book by John Grisham called the Brethren. It was a light and fun read. Here is the description:
The "Brethren" are three former judges who are incarcerated at a fictional federal minimum security prison. The trio embark on a scam to deceive and exploit wealthy closeted gay men. None of them are gay, but they write convincingly as two young vulnerable gay men, developing friendships and then asking for financial help. In some cases, they also try blackmail.
Meanwhile, Teddy Maynard, the ruthless and soon-to-retire director of the CIA, is orchestrating a scheme to tip the United States presidential election in the favor of Aaron Lake, a hawkish congressman supported by arms manufacturers. However, Lake, who is closeted, is hooked by the unwitting Brethren in their scam.
End of link.
Grisham is a popular author, and it was never mentioned or controversial that the CIA was busy picking presidents, and you wonder how many times they have.
That is the thing the Dems here do not get. Why do people love Trump so much? Well maybe because we know that it is obvious the CIA did not pick him. We did.
Hell, Chuck "seven ways to Sunday" Schumer even admitted the CIA controls most the pols. ".
It all started with Bubba in 1992 they handed him the election to get NAFTA the CCP in the WTO and the repeal of Glass Steagal.
Bubbas "third way" set the table for all this bullshit, it even cost Bubba a third term in 2008 when they rigged it against him for the muslim dood.
Remember Bubba got more delegates in the final count and they still threw it to muslim dood.
The deep state fully controls the DNC.
Most Dem voters could care less or even have a clue.
As long as someone gives them more food stamps and gives them a new Obama fone, they will vote straight DNC like ET (aka Whoopi Behar) suggests.
MarquisdeSade1
11-16-23, 19:36
"And this starts at the primary level. One of the great untold political stories is how Hiliary rigged the 2016 primaries against Bernie. She then tried to do the same thing in 2016 with Trump and lost.
I was talking to someone about why the swamp likes Dems more, and the answer was not Dems are more in line with the views of the CIA and FBI. It is just that the Democratic primaries are easier to rig than Republican ones.
There was this great book by John Grisham called the Brethren. It was a light and fun read. Here is the description:
The "Brethren" are three former judges who are incarcerated at a fictional federal minimum security prison. The trio embark on a scam to deceive and exploit wealthy closeted gay men. None of them are gay, but they write convincingly as two young vulnerable gay men, developing friendships and then asking for financial help. In some cases, they also try blackmail.
Meanwhile, Teddy Maynard, the ruthless and soon-to-retire director of the CIA, is orchestrating a scheme to tip the United States presidential election in the favor of Aaron Lake, a hawkish congressman supported by arms manufacturers. However, Lake, who is closeted, is hooked by the unwitting Brethren in their scam.
End of link.
Grisham is a popular author, and it was never mentioned or controversial that the CIA was busy picking presidents, and you wonder how many times they have.
That is the thing the Dems here do not get. Why do people love Trump so much? Well maybe because we know that it is obvious the CIA did not pick him. We did.
Hell, Chuck "seven ways to Sunday" Schumer even admitted the CIA controls most the pols. ".
2 out of three were illegitimate.
All three belong in prison.
Bubba.
Barry the foreign born muslim.
Biden.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/watch-blinken-dies-inside-while-biden-blunders-through-major-geopolitical-moment
With Beyoncé, Taylor Swift and Barbenheimer (Barbie and Oppenheimer movies), adding $8.5 billion to the US economy, has definitely showed us, that women and women's movements have been quite the tour de force in Q3.
Perhaps as a cautionary tale, Republicans should stop trying to control, "box up/box-in" and/or ban women's rights to abortion and instead realized and focus on women's freedoms that are a "box office" boom to the US economy and overall welfare of the country.
"Run the World" ...Girls! (...kkkk!) It would seem, Beyoncé has a point!!! Well, at least for Q3, 2023, anyway.
Beyoncé, Taylor Swift, Barbenheimer To Add $8.5 Billion to US Economy
https://www.investopedia.com/beyonce-taylor-swift-barbenheimer-boosted-summer-spending-7964698
But there are those that are still saying (since Biden took office ) that, winter is coming?
The $8.5 billion Barbenheimer, Beyoncé, and Taylor Swift bonanza is fading, ... giving way to a winter ...
https://fortune.com/2023/08/31/recession-summer-spending-pop-culture-barbenheimer-beyonce-taylor-swift/
Elvis 2008
11-17-23, 03:30
Although the term "rigged" was used for many years in reference to other things, Trump was eager to claim many times that he was the first to use it with regard to the REPUB PRIMARIES being RIGGED against him!
OK, Twisty McPretzel, twist your way out of this oneI said Republican primaries are less rigged not that they were totally pure. The media has been rigging them for years when they do this front runner bullshit. Jeb Bush as front runner in 2016? Somehow the media had a comeback in 2020 when they pushed the corpse of Joe Biden to be president and with a little help from the AA communities, he "won".
Actually, Trump completely hoodwinked the media in 2016 to cover him. He got more free media coverage than anyone and instead of the media, which rigs elections, making him look foolish, Trump made the media look dumb. The media were all crying in their La Croix water when Trump got elected and said, "Why did we give this guy so much coverage?
Even now, you have many people running in the more fair Republican primaries and viable challengers like RFK JR (guess he too is not a Democrat like Bernie) bailing ship and running as independent. The Democratic primaries are so rigged the majority of Democratic voters don't want Biden as president but they have no choice but to accept him. Hel, you even have Bill Maher begging Biden not to run.
We are running out of ingredients Mr. Pretzel. Salt, nacho cheese are gone. All that is left is a side of mustard. Man, I get it. It is hard being a Democrat these days. Things were so much easier when Black Jesus was around.
"And this starts at the primary level. One of the great untold political stories is how Hiliary rigged the 2016 primaries against Bernie. She then tried to do the same thing in 2016 with Trump and lost.
I was talking to someone about why the swamp likes Dems more, and the answer was not Dems are more in line with the views of the CIA and FBI. It is just that the Democratic primaries are easier to rig than Republican ones.
There was this great book by John Grisham called the Brethren. It was a light and fun read. Here is the description:
The "Brethren" are three former judges who are incarcerated at a fictional federal minimum security prison. The trio embark on a scam to deceive and exploit wealthy closeted gay men. None of them are gay, but they write convincingly as two young vulnerable gay men, developing friendships and then asking for financial help. In some cases, they also try blackmail.
Meanwhile, Teddy Maynard, the ruthless and soon-to-retire director of the CIA, is orchestrating a scheme to tip the United States presidential election in the favor of Aaron Lake, a hawkish congressman supported by arms manufacturers. However, Lake, who is closeted, is hooked by the unwitting Brethren in their scam.
End of link.
Grisham is a popular author, and it was never mentioned or controversial that the CIA was busy picking presidents, and you wonder how many times they have.
That is the thing the Dems here do not get. Why do people love Trump so much? Well maybe because we know that it is obvious the CIA did not pick him. We did.
Hell, Chuck "seven ways to Sunday" Schumer even admitted the CIA controls most the pols. ".
It all started with Bubba in 1992 they handed him the election to get NAFTA the CCP in the WTO and the repeal of Glass Steagal.
Bubbas "third way" set the table for all this bullshit, it even cost Bubba a third term in 2008 when they rigged it against him for the muslim dood.
Remember Bubba got more delegates in the final count and they still threw it to muslim dood.
The deep state fully controls the DNC.
Most Dem voters could care less or even have a clue.
As long as someone gives them more food stamps and gives them a new Obama fone, they will vote straight DNC like ET (aka Whoopi Behar) suggests.In addition to you being proven wrong in every way about the origins, time-lines and ultimate resposibility for NAFTA, CCP in the WTO and the repeal of Glass-Steagall, which was practically and provably irrelevant to Repub G. W. Bush's Great Repub Recession, Great Repub Financial Crisis and Great Repub Massive Jobs Destruction, now you are proveably wrong about another utterly debunked Repub Party fabrication; the so-called "Obamaphone', a program that also started under one of your beloved Repub so-called presidents and doesn't have anything to do with Obama anyway:
The Obama Phone?
Oct. 9, 2009
https://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/
Q: Has the Obama administration started a program to use "taxpayer money" to give free cell phones to welfare recipients?
A: No. Low-income households have been eligible for discounted telephone service for more than a decade. But the program is funded by telecom companies, not by taxes, and the president has nothing to do with it
......
The SafeLink program has actually been offering cell phones to low-income households in some states since 2008, not beginning "earlier this year," as the e-mail claims.You're on a roll with getting everything wrong. We'll, that is nothing new, of course.
Got anymore? LOL.
MarquisdeSade1
11-17-23, 05:25
"With Beyonc, Taylor Swift and Barbenheimer (Barbie and Oppenheimer movies), adding $8. 5 billion to the US economy, has definitely showed us, that women and women's movements have been quite the tour de force in Q3.
Perhaps as a cautionary tale, Republicans should stop trying to control, and / or ban women's rights to abortion and instead realized and focus on women's freedoms that are a boom to the US economy and overall welfare of the country.
(. kkkk!) It would seem, Beyonc has a point! Well, at least for Q3, 2023, anyway.
Beyonc, Taylor Swift, Barbenheimer To Add $8. 5 Billion to US Economy.
https://www.investopedia.com/beyonce-taylor-swift-barbenheimer-boosted-summer-spending-7964698
But there are those that are still saying (since Biden took office) that.
The $8. 5 billion Barbenheimer, Beyonc, and Taylor Swift bonanza is fading, . Giving way to a winter.
https://fortune.com/2023/08/31/recession-summer-spending-pop-culture-barbenheimer-beyonce-taylor-swift/
The gay young boy rapist apologist is also a feminist.
So not that anyone gives a shit here.
But did you cut it off already or are you still tucking it?
I think you're really lost literally and figuratively.
This is supposed to be a forum for hetero CIS males jajajajajajaaaaaaaa.
I'm no economist but how did they add a penny to the US economy?(werent most of those domestic sales).
If walmart sells $8. 5 billion worth the stuff, I'm pretty sure they didn't add $8. 5 b to the economy per se.
Bringing money from outside of the USA would be "adding it to the economy", selling tickets to "entertainment" doesn't sound like a earth shattering contribution to a $25 trillion economy.
But keep cheerleading you weird ass cuck.
Or did you just come here to troll?
MarquisdeSade1
11-17-23, 11:22
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/11/16/scared-me-more-than-january-6-dem-rep-recalls-violent-palestine-protest-dnc-hq/
I said Republican primaries are less rigged not that they were totally pure. The media has been rigging them for years when they do this front runner bullshit. Jeb Bush as front runner in 2016? Somehow the media had a comeback in 2020 when they pushed the corpse of Joe Biden to be president and with a little help from the AA communities, he "won".
Actually, Trump completely hoodwinked the media in 2016 to cover him. He got more free media coverage than anyone and instead of the media, which rigs elections, making him look foolish, Trump made the media look dumb. The media were all crying in their La Croix water when Trump got elected and said, "Why did we give this guy so much coverage?
Even now, you have many people running in the more fair Republican primaries and viable challengers like RFK JR (guess he too is not a Democrat like Bernie) bailing ship and running as independent. The Democratic primaries are so rigged the majority of Democratic voters don't want Biden as president but they have no choice but to accept him. Hel, you even have Bill Maher begging Biden not to run.
We are running out of ingredients Mr. Pretzel. Salt, nacho cheese are gone. All that is left is a side of mustard. Man, I get it. It is hard being a Democrat these days. Things were so much easier when Black Jesus was around.I won't hold my breath waiting for the RNC to blow millions, run tv ads and schedule debates featuring a 'Repubican-Socialist' who suddenly claimed to be a member of the Republican Party at 2:15 pm the day before the first debate and damn well might revert right back to self-identify as a 'Republican-Socialist' the instant the RNC is dumb enough to help him win the nomination and we'll before the general election. LOL.
If you think the Olympic Gold Medal level of Pretzel Twisting you have been engaged in up to now has been challenging, imagine what new twists, turns and knots you'd tie yourself into trying to explain how your beloved RNC belly-flopped into something that politically stupid.
Then again, your Party loves to commit crimes against America, overthrow or at least threaten to shut down the American government over and over again. So backing a 'Republican-Socialist' shouldn't bother them or their base very much as long as he espouses violence against America, overturning free and fair elections and overthrowing democracy. You know, the clever way Trump gets Mainstream Media to pay attention to him, love him and help him win elections even as he recognizes and asserts that his Repub Party rigs elections from beginning to end.
Elvis 2008
11-17-23, 18:53
With Beyonc, Taylor Swift and Barbenheimer (Barbie and Oppenheimer movies), adding $8.5 billion to the US economy, has definitely showed us, that women and women's movements have been quite the tour de force in Q3.
Perhaps as a cautionary tale, Republicans should stop trying to control, "box up/box-in" and/or ban women's rights to abortion and instead realized and focus on women's freedoms that are a "box office" boom to the US economy and overall welfare of the country.
"Run the World" ...Girls! (...kkkk!) It would seem, Beyonc has a point!!! Well, at least for Q3, 2023, anyway.
Beyonc, Taylor Swift, Barbenheimer To Add $8.5 Billion to US Economy
https://www.investopedia.com/beyonce-taylor-swift-barbenheimer-boosted-summer-spending-7964698
But there are those that are still saying (since Biden took office ) that, winter is coming?
The $8.5 billion Barbenheimer, Beyonc, and Taylor Swift bonanza is fading, ... giving way to a winter ...
https://fortune.com/2023/08/31/recession-summer-spending-pop-culture-barbenheimer-beyonce-taylor-swift/You had great timing Spidy. You posted this the day one of my manosphere heroes, Aaron Clarey published his book, "A world without men". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm5foiiRrv8.
I will save you the $15 and tell you that around 75% of our food and 80% of our "stuff" comes from men. You need a HR position filled then you get a woman. You need a car fixed or wiring in a home and you HAVE to get a man. In the 1950's there were no HR employees but there were mechanics and electricians. It is funny how that works. It is almost like jobs had to be made up for women.
And you are a traitor to your sex, Spidy? A soy boy? LOL. Well, you better be a thin one because that soy you are consuming was produced by men.
Man, I wish you libtards had to stay and live in the shitholes you created. Tooms the pretzel would have had to stay in California. PVmonger could not hightail it down to Mexico, and you would have your passport revoked. "I am sorry sir you can only have sex with women in blue states. " MLK had a dream, and that is mine.
MarquisdeSade1
11-17-23, 20:01
In addition to you being proven wrong in every way about the origins, time-lines and ultimate resposibility for NAFTA, CCP in the WTO and the repeal of Glass-Steagall, which was practically and provably irrelevant to Repub G. W. Bush's Great Repub Recession, Great Repub Financial Crisis and Great Repub Massive Jobs Destruction, now you are proveably wrong about another utterly debunked Repub Party fabrication; the so-called "Obamaphone', a program that also started under one of your beloved Repub so-called presidents and doesn't have anything to do with Obama anyway:
You're on a roll with getting everything wrong. We'll, that is nothing new, of course.
Got anymore? LOL.
I need to stop replying to your nonsense, "One does not bother debating anything with someone that won't concede even when they blatantly lose", I proved.
With every single issue you're clearly full of lies and full of Whoopi Goldberg diarrhea of the mouth with my links, and what do you do?
Of course, say I'm still wrong, you're a pathological liar, that should not be debated.
This is some weird ass game to you where you to try to Gaslight the fuck out of people, one cannot have a sane conversation with you.
While Bill Maher continues his years long weekly Republican Party Campaign Rallies and calculates which third candidate on a future ballot to endorse in order to ensure a Republican candidate win, it might be useful to recap a few recent Bill Maher Republican Party Campaign Rally expert analysis and predictions vs real world outcomes:
Bill Maher predicts GOP will win big in midterms because of 'woke culture' and says America is now the 'Titanic right after the iceberg hit': Compares democracy to a McRib - 'it's here now... so enjoy it while you can'
Nov. 5, 2022
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11393401/Bill-Maher-predicts-GOP-win-big-midterms-woke-culture.html
The Real Time host, 66, didn't seem too positive about the 2022 Midterm Elections on Tuesday, and says 'woke culture is just one reason why the Republicans are going to do so well in this election.'
....
He went on to say that the 'left has gone super crazy with lots of s**t that the average American just never voted for,' such as gender identity and homelessness.
....
is predicted that the Republican Party will rule the Senate and the House after Tuesday's election.
'Things are going to change fundamentally in this country after this election,' Maher said on Thursday. 'Theyre definitely going to win.'
....
The self-proclaimed 'traditional liberal' channeled the same energy on his Friday night show on HBO, where he again declared that 'democracy will lose' and Trump's 'election-deniers' will prevail on Tuesday.
He said on his show that the former president's election deniers will carve out seats for themselves and Americans 'won't even care after it happens.'Vs:
How Democrats won the midterms.
Dec. 12, 2022
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3766063-how-democrats-won-the-midterms/
Democrats defied expectations up and down the ballot in 2022 despite facing historic headwinds and other challenges going into the midterms.
However, Democrats were able to grow their majority in the Senate, retain and win a number of gubernatorial and state-level races, and temper their losses in the House.Oh, and there is this, Bill:
The Democrats Lost the House by Just 6,675 Votes. What Went Wrong?
At first glance, Democratic performance in last years House races was great. But a close look under the hood reveals that, with a few smarter moves and a little more luck, wed have Speaker Jeffries.
Feb. 9, 2923
https://newrepublic.com/article/170248/democrats-lost-house-2022-midterm-election-mistakes#text=Even%20 by%20 the%20 standards%20 of, changed%20 that%20 number%20 to%206%2 C675).
Although almost no one realized it at the time, the 2022 elections for the House were the Capitol Hill version of George W. Bush versus Al Gore. Even by the standards of close elections, 2022 was off the charts. An analysis by Jacob Rubashkin in early December for the political tip sheet Inside Elections found that just 6,670 votes spread over five House districts would have kept the Democrats in the majority. (Final counts have changed that number to 6,675). For math mavens, that works out to be 0.006 percent of the more than 107 million votes cast in House races. According to Rubashkins tally, 22,378 of these votes in the right places would have prevented the Republicans from picking up a single seat in the House. So we are not talking about a normal electionthis was the Democrats losing on a wild pitch in the tenth inning of the seventh game of the World Series.Mind you, that would include Mini Trump George Santos' "win" in New York based on what is turning out to be 100% lies about everything and at least a couple of over-creatively magic-marker Repub Governor-"redrawn" districts similar to the ones for which those so-called Governors have been spanked by Federal Judges.
But it didn't stop there:
Democrats have been winning big in special elections.
That could bode well for them in the 2024 election.
Sept. 20, 2023
https://abcnews.go.com/538/democrats-winning-big-special-elections/story?id=103315703
How the final vote-share margins in congressional and state legislative special elections in 2023 compare with the seats base partisanship, as of Sept. 20, 2023
(See Chart)
And let's not forget this:
Democrats are celebrating major victories in Tuesday's elections.
Nov. 8, 2023
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/08/1211459885/democrats-are-celebrating-major-victories-in-tuesdays-elections
You know, I'm beginning to suspect Bill Maher's pro Repub Bothsiderism election analysis and predictions are quite full of shit, especially with regard to his continually campaigning for Repubs on their idiotic "War on Woke" nothingness for lack of anything else to run on that they have ever accomplished for the American people over the past 100 years or so.
MarquisdeSade1
11-18-23, 00:18
"In addition to you being proven wrong in every way about the origins, time-lines and ultimate resposibility for NAFTA, CCP in the WTO and the repeal of Glass-Steagall, which was practically and provably irrelevant to Repub G. W. Bush's Great Repub Recession, Great Repub Financial Crisis and Great Repub Massive Jobs Destruction, now you are proveably wrong about another utterly debunked Repub Party fabrication; the so-called "Obamaphone', a program that also started under one of your beloved Repub so-called presidents and doesn't have anything to do with Obama anyway:
https://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/
You're on a roll with getting everything wrong. We'll, that is nothing new, of course.
Got anymore? LOL.
I don't know who started the program nor do I care, did I say who started it, slow down the keyboard diarrhea and learn how to read.
While I'm sure Barry added a few trillion to the program, if you live in the USA you might know what you're talking about but you want to debate American politics.
From 10000 miles away and you haven't even stepped foot on American soil in at least 12 yrs.
If you lived here you would know what they call Obama fones in the ghetto, they are called "Obama fones" dum dum.
Just like they still call food stamps "Obama bucks".
Ask blacks why they loved barry or if they still do, and they will tell you because he gave us new Obama fones and bumped up our food stamps therefore.
In gratitude theyve permanently named them "Obama bucks".
I see you didn't have any trouble finding the term Obama fones.
MarquisdeSade1
11-18-23, 00:39
"I said Republican primaries are less rigged not that they were totally pure. The media has been rigging them for years when they do this front runner bullshit. Jeb Bush as front runner in 2016? Somehow the media had a comeback in 2020 when they pushed the corpse of Joe Biden to be president and with a little help from the AA communities, he "won".
Actually, Trump completely hoodwinked the media in 2016 to cover him. He got more free media coverage than anyone and instead of the media, which rigs elections, making him look foolish, Trump made the media look dumb. The media were all crying in their La Croix water when Trump got elected and said, "Why did we give this guy so much coverage?
Even now, you have many people running in the more fair Republican primaries and viable challengers like RFK JR (guess he too is not a Democrat like Bernie) bailing ship and running as independent. The Democratic primaries are so rigged the majority of Democratic voters don't want Biden as president but they have no choice but to accept him. Hel, you even have Bill Maher begging Biden not to run.
We are running out of ingredients Mr. Pretzel. Salt, nacho cheese are gone. All that is left is a side of mustard. Man, I get it. It is hard being a Democrat these days. Things were so much easier when Black Jesus was around. ".
There are reasons women have jobs, wall street wants to drive up GDP, how? By making both husband and wife work, you can pay the man less, because now they have 2 incomes to get by, but need 2 cars now and clothes for work etc but they can drive up the GDP.
And there is what's called ADULT DAY CARE.
I go into the Chase Tower in downtown Chicago regularly and see lots of ADULT DAY CARE.
You will go by an office with several 20 something women sitting in there playing with their fones and hair etc.
I guess they are having a MEETING LMAO.
Travel around most of the world and you will see most of these women selling pussy.
But in the west they don't want men getting easy pussy.
They want men to have to fight over crumbs and work your ass off for a beach with a horrible entitled attitude.
Travel around Asia or Latin America or Eastern Europe and see what kind of ADULT DAY CARE is available? NONE.
The wall street dirtbags and The WEF crowd want females working 9 to 5 for them.
Even if its just ADULT DAY CARE.
I hope next time one of these ISG losers have cancer or need brain surgery they make sure to goto a female physician LMAO.
https://www.amazon.com/-/he/Martin-L-Gross/dp/0380973197
https://www.foxnews.com/media/passport-bro-growing-number-men-ditching-american-women-overseas
Just look around America? How many street hookers do you see? Not many they rather be working at Chase for ADULT DAY CARE.
Just look and see how many men are homeless including veterans? How many women are homeless??
Its because of dirtbags with the same attitude as spidy.
Be nice to the pigs, lick their dirty buttholes, maybe theyll give you sum pussy!
MarquisdeSade1
11-18-23, 00:57
https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/11/16/scared-me-more-than-january-6-dem-rep-recalls-violent-palestine-protest-dnc-hq/
Will there be more kangaroo courts, show trials with outrageous sentences and sham select congressional committees?
TRUMP President for Life!!
MarquisdeSade1
11-18-23, 00:59
"You had great timing Spidy. You posted this the day one of my manosphere heroes, Aaron Clarey published his book, "A world without men". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm5foiiRrv8..
I will save you the $15 and tell you that around 75% of our food and 80% of our "stuff" comes from men. You need a HR position filled then you get a woman. You need a car fixed or wiring in a home and you HAVE to get a man. In the 1950's there were no HR employees but there were mechanics and electricians. It is funny how that works. It is almost like jobs had to be made up for women.
And you are a traitor to your sex, Spidy? A soy boy? LOL. Well, you better be a thin one because that soy you are consuming was produced by men.
Man, I wish you libtards had to stay and live in the shitholes you created. Tooms the pretzel would have had to stay in California. PVmonger could not hightail it down to Mexico, and you would have your passport revoked. "I am sorry sir you can only have sex with women in blue states. " MLK had a dream, and that is mine. ".
WOMEN CAN DO ANYTHING MEN CAN DO.
JUST NOT VERY GOOD.
MarquisdeSade1
11-18-23, 02:23
"And this starts at the primary level. One of the great untold political stories is how Hiliary rigged the 2016 primaries against Bernie. She then tried to do the same thing in 2016 with Trump and lost.
I was talking to someone about why the swamp likes Dems more, and the answer was not Dems are more in line with the views of the CIA and FBI. It is just that the Democratic primaries are easier to rig than Republican ones.
There was this great book by John Grisham called the Brethren. It was a light and fun read. Here is the description:
The "Brethren" are three former judges who are incarcerated at a fictional federal minimum security prison. The trio embark on a scam to deceive and exploit wealthy closeted gay men. None of them are gay, but they write convincingly as two young vulnerable gay men, developing friendships and then asking for financial help. In some cases, they also try blackmail.
Meanwhile, Teddy Maynard, the ruthless and soon-to-retire director of the CIA, is orchestrating a scheme to tip the United States presidential election in the favor of Aaron Lake, a hawkish congressman supported by arms manufacturers. However, Lake, who is closeted, is hooked by the unwitting Brethren in their scam.
End of link.
Grisham is a popular author, and it was never mentioned or controversial that the CIA was busy picking presidents, and you wonder how many times they have.
That is the thing the Dems here do not get. Why do people love Trump so much? Well maybe because we know that it is obvious the CIA did not pick him. We did.
Hell, Chuck "seven ways to Sunday" Schumer even admitted the CIA controls most the pols. ".
2 out of three were illegitimate.
All three belong in prison.
Bubba.
Barry the foreign born muslim.
Biden.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/watch-blinken-dies-inside-while-biden-blunders-through-major-geopolitical-moment
That helped destroy America, Bush 43.
MarquisdeSade1
11-18-23, 02:26
"And this starts at the primary level. One of the great untold political stories is how Hiliary rigged the 2016 primaries against Bernie. She then tried to do the same thing in 2016 with Trump and lost.
I was talking to someone about why the swamp likes Dems more, and the answer was not Dems are more in line with the views of the CIA and FBI. It is just that the Democratic primaries are easier to rig than Republican ones.
There was this great book by John Grisham called the Brethren. It was a light and fun read. Here is the description:
The "Brethren" are three former judges who are incarcerated at a fictional federal minimum security prison. The trio embark on a scam to deceive and exploit wealthy closeted gay men. None of them are gay, but they write convincingly as two young vulnerable gay men, developing friendships and then asking for financial help. In some cases, they also try blackmail.
Meanwhile, Teddy Maynard, the ruthless and soon-to-retire director of the CIA, is orchestrating a scheme to tip the United States presidential election in the favor of Aaron Lake, a hawkish congressman supported by arms manufacturers. However, Lake, who is closeted, is hooked by the unwitting Brethren in their scam.
End of link.
Grisham is a popular author, and it was never mentioned or controversial that the CIA was busy picking presidents, and you wonder how many times they have.
That is the thing the Dems here do not get. Why do people love Trump so much? Well maybe because we know that it is obvious the CIA did not pick him. We did.
Hell, Chuck "seven ways to Sunday" Schumer even admitted the CIA controls most the pols. ".
2 out of three were illegitimate.
All three belong in prison.
Bubba.
Barry the foreign born muslim.
Biden.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/watch-blinken-dies-inside-while-biden-blunders-through-major-geopolitical-moment
In addition to you being proven wrong in every way about the origins, time-lines and ultimate resposibility for NAFTA, CCP in the WTO and the repeal of Glass-Steagall, which was practically and provably irrelevant to Repub G. W. Bush's Great Repub Recession, Great Repub Financial Crisis and Great Repub Massive Jobs Destruction, now you are proveably wrong about another utterly debunked Repub Party fabrication; the so-called "Obamaphone', a program that also started under one of your beloved Repub so-called presidents and doesn't have anything to do with Obama anyway:
You're on a roll with getting everything wrong. We'll, that is nothing new, of course.
Got anymore? LOL.
I need to stop replying to your nonsense, "One does not bother debating anything with someone that won't concede even when they blatantly lose", I proved.
With every single issue you're clearly full of lies and full of Whoopi Goldberg diarrhea of the mouth with my links, and what do you do?
Of course, say I'm still wrong, you're a pathological liar, that should not be debated.
This is some weird ass game to you where you to try to Gaslight the fuck out of people, one cannot have a sane conversation with you.Sure sure sure. Whatever you say.
So my actual link proving that your Repub Party talking point about the so-called 'Obamaphone', which was roundly and famously debunked since they first pitched that lie, had nothing to do with Obama and even began in 2008 under one of your beloved Repub so-called presidents the year before Obama became President and launched into producing one of the most successful Great Dem Recoveries of all time from one of the most disastrous Great Repub Recessions and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction of all time was somehow miraculously refuted by your absolute zero link supporting no contention whatsoever other than that you were obviously either just making up shit on your own or left it up to your beloved Repub Party to provide all the shit you are delighted to carry for them?
Oh yes, of course. Even the casual reader can see that.
Lolol.
You had great timing Spidy. You posted this the day one of my manosphere heroes, Aaron Clarey published his book, "A world without men". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm5foiiRrv8.
I will save you the $15 and tell you that around 75% of our food and 80% of our "stuff" comes from men. You need a HR position filled then you get a woman. You need a car fixed or wiring in a home and you HAVE to get a man. In the 1950's there were no HR employees but there were mechanics and electricians. It is funny how that works. It is almost like jobs had to be made up for women.
And you are a traitor to your sex, Spidy? A soy boy? LOL. Well, you better be a thin one because that soy you are consuming was produced by men.
Man, I wish you libtards had to stay and live in the shitholes you created. Tooms the pretzel would have had to stay in California. PVmonger could not hightail it down to Mexico, and you would have your passport revoked. "I am sorry sir you can only have sex with women in blue states. " MLK had a dream, and that is mine.Earliest known meeting of the Manosphere Founding Fathers:
https://youtu.be/0OTYdizres8?si=fDTtDHt7PmEkMihU
"In addition to you being proven wrong in every way about the origins, time-lines and ultimate resposibility for NAFTA, CCP in the WTO and the repeal of Glass-Steagall, which was practically and provably irrelevant to Repub G. W. Bush's Great Repub Recession, Great Repub Financial Crisis and Great Repub Massive Jobs Destruction, now you are proveably wrong about another utterly debunked Repub Party fabrication; the so-called "Obamaphone', a program that also started under one of your beloved Repub so-called presidents and doesn't have anything to do with Obama anyway:
https://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/
You're on a roll with getting everything wrong. We'll, that is nothing new, of course.
Got anymore? LOL.
I don't know who started the program nor do I care, did I say who started it, slow down the keyboard diarrhea and learn how to read.
While I'm sure Barry added a few trillion to the program, if you live in the USA you might know what you're talking about but you want to debate American politics.
From 10000 miles away and you haven't even stepped foot on American soil in at least 12 yrs.
If you lived here you would know what they call Obama fones in the ghetto, they are called "Obama fones" dum dum.
Just like they still call food stamps "Obama bucks".
Ask blacks why they loved barry or if they still do, and they will tell you because he gave us new Obama fones and bumped up our food stamps therefore.
In gratitude theyve permanently named them "Obama bucks".
I see you didn't have any trouble finding the term Obama fones.Yes, no problem at all finding utter Repub BS being debunked over and over again. And you still don't have any substantiation for any of your silliness. LOL. Do you call your Out-of-Order for 5 years smartphone an "Obamaphone" out of a sense of affection for him as well? The phone you had that stopped working years ago and apparently cannot be repaired had as much to do with Barack Obama as all of your other beloved Repub Party BS had to do with Bill Clinton and Reagan / GHW Bush's NAFTA, Bill Clinton and GW Bush's voting CCP into the WTO, Bill Clinton and GW Bush's Great Repub Financial Crisis 8 years after Clinton left office and handed that incoming Repub better economic conditions than any outgoing Repub ever handed an incoming Dem. As did Jimmy Carter. And Barack Obama. And every other Dem going back to at least FDR.
MarquisdeSade1
11-18-23, 18:05
"Sure sure sure. Whatever you say.
So my actual link proving that your Repub Party talking point about the so-called 'Obamaphone', which was roundly and famously debunked since they first pitched that lie, had nothing to do with Obama and even began in 2008 under one of your beloved Repub so-called presidents the year before Obama became President and launched into producing one of the most successful Great Dem Recoveries of all time from one of the most disastrous Great Repub Recessions and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction of all time was somehow miraculously refuted by your absolute zero link supporting no contention whatsoever other than that you were obviously either just making up shit on your own or left it up to your beloved Repub Party to provide all the shit you are delighted to carry for them?
Oh yes, of course. Even the casual reader can see that.
Lolol. ".
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/mobile/these-states-depend-obama-phone-most-n378741
Nbc calls them Obama fones dum dum jajajajajajajaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
I believe it was Reagan that started the subsidy program.
But Barry expanded it to include free fones, that's why they call them Obama FONES.
I know you're old, but maybe go back to school and learn to read.
Oh wait you can't you're in the 3rd world jajajaja and can't go back to California they kicked you out and their shitty public schools are the reason you can't comprehend anything you read in the first place.
MarquisdeSade1
11-18-23, 18:12
Sure sure sure. Whatever you say.
So my actual link proving that your Repub Party talking point about the so-called 'Obamaphone', which was roundly and famously debunked since they first pitched that lie, had nothing to do with Obama and even began in 2008 under one of your beloved Repub so-called presidents the year before Obama became President and launched into producing one of the most successful Great Dem Recoveries of all time from one of the most disastrous Great Repub Recessions and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction of all time was somehow miraculously refuted by your absolute zero link supporting no contention whatsoever other than that you were obviously either just making up shit on your own or left it up to your beloved Repub Party to provide all the shit you are delighted to carry for them?
Oh yes, of course. Even the casual reader can see that.
Lolol.
The Obama administration, well into the internet and wireless age, agreed that broadband and cellular services are essential. So, yes, citizens of various federal programs could qualify for a cellphone — a basic one, not the latest iPhone or Galaxy — with a plan they receive under Lifeline.
https://federalnewsnetwork.com/tom-temin-commentary/2017/07/a-short-history-of-the-obamaphone/
The Obama administration, well into the internet and wireless age, agreed that broadband and cellular services are essential. So, yes, citizens of various federal programs could qualify for a cellphone — a basic one, not the latest iPhone or Galaxy — with a plan they receive under Lifeline.
The Obama administration, well into the internet and wireless age, agreed that broadband and cellular services are essential. So, yes, citizens of various federal programs could qualify for a cellphone — a basic one, not the latest iPhone or Galaxy — with a plan they receive under Lifeline.
The Obama administration, well into the internet and wireless age, agreed that broadband and cellular services are essential. So, yes, citizens of various federal programs could qualify for a cellphone — a basic one, not the latest iPhone or Galaxy — with a plan they receive under Lifeline.
The Obama administration, well into the internet and wireless age, agreed that broadband and cellular services are essential. So, yes, citizens of various federal programs could qualify for a cellphone — a basic one, not the latest iPhone or Galaxy — with a plan they receive under Lifeline.
The Obama administration, well into the internet and wireless age, agreed that broadband and cellular services are essential. So, yes, citizens of various federal programs could qualify for a cellphone — a basic one, not the latest iPhone or Galaxy — with a plan they receive under Lifeline.
The Obama administration, well into the internet and wireless age, agreed that broadband and cellular services are essential. So, yes, citizens of various federal programs could qualify for a cellphone — a basic one, not the latest iPhone or Galaxy — with a plan they receive under Lifeline.
Elvis 2008
11-18-23, 22:56
There are reasons women have jobs, wall street wants to drive up GDP, how? By making both husband and wife work, you can pay the man less, because now they have 2 incomes to get by, but need 2 cars now and clothes for work etc but they can drive up the GDP.
And there is what's called ADULT DAY CARE.
I go into the Chase Tower in downtown Chicago regularly and see lots of ADULT DAY CARE.
You will go by an office with several 20 something women sitting in there playing with their fones and hair etc.
I guess they are having a MEETING LMAO.
Travel around most of the world and you will see most of these women selling pussy.
But in the west they don't want men getting easy pussy.
They want men to have to fight over crumbs and work your ass off for a beach with a horrible entitled attitude.
Travel around Asia or Latin America or Eastern Europe and see what kind of ADULT DAY CARE is available? NONE.
The wall street dirtbags and The WEF crowd want females working 9 to 5 for them.
Even if its just ADULT DAY CARE.
I hope next time one of these ISG losers have cancer or need brain surgery they make sure to goto a female physician LMAO.
https://www.amazon.com/-/he/Martin-L-Gross/dp/0380973197
https://www.foxnews.com/media/passport-bro-growing-number-men-ditching-american-women-overseas
Just look around America? How many street hookers do you see? Not many they rather be working at Chase for ADULT DAY CARE.
Just look and see how many men are homeless including veterans? How many women are homeless??
Its because of dirtbags with the same attitude as spidy.
Be nice to the pigs, lick their dirty buttholes, maybe theyll give you sum pussy!And the soy boys Tooms and Spidy convince themselves they are the sides of women, not the women who respect and co-exist with men, but the women who HATE them. They are so delusional that they do not even see the train wreck they are creating. Well, they are the Demolition Democrats after all.
Clarey actually makes the case, a case I agree with, that what drives society is male sex drive. In other words, men busting their asses to impress women is what pushes society forward and now that these same men are getting their teeth kicked in, insulted, told women have choice while killing their kids but no choice when it comes to child support, and how fucking great women are when they produce most of the important things in society, they are checking out. They are rejecting the lard asses, the women with tattoos everywhere, the women with other men's children, and the women sucking down a smorgasbord of pills for mental illness. Hell, this site is a testament to men saying fuck it when it comes to American women.
What Clarey predicts, and what I have seen in my own life, is men particularly younger men shacking up with their folks, living in one bedroom with a huge TV content to live with video games and porn and never date. Last I checked a webcam gal couldn't falsely claim rape or sexual harassment. Yes, one way to not be accused of victimizing a woman is to never speak to one.
(Having a Colombian gal, I will say that they are similar to their American counterparts but there is one huge difference. There is not this constant playing the victim in Colombia. My gal's daughter tried doing that, and my gal ripped her a new one verbally.).
The typical soy boy / feminazi reaction to the men checking out is to rag on such men as if this is their problem and not a huge issue for society, and it is one. If you got men content to live on $25,000 a year and not wanting to procreate, society will literally collapse.
Yet the Demolition Democratic douches are content to do to society what they have done to our finest cities.
Men suck. Go women! / sarc. What a bunch of sexist punks.
In the great tradition of Alfalfa, I nominate Elvis!
Earliest known meeting of the Manosphere Founding Fathers:
https://youtu.be/0OTYdizres8?si=fDTtDHt7PmEkMihU
Just frickin' hilarious and very apt for Elvis 2008 (methinks)!
BTW, does that make MDS1...Spanky? (...kkkk!)
Just frickin' hilarious and very apt for Elvis 2008 (methinks)!
BTW, does that make MDS1...Spanky? (...kkkk!)Buckwheat says otay! LMFAO!
You had great timing Spidy. You posted this the day one of my manosphere heroes, Aaron Clarey published his book, "A world without men". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm5foiiRrv8.
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And you are a traitor to your sex, Spidy? A soy boy? LOL. Well, you better be a thin one because that soy you are consuming was produced by men... (...kkkk!) Elvis 2008, can't you strive to be anything better than a hackneyed QAnon/MAGA clich?
Why the alt-right movement is using the term soy boy to insult its enemies online
https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/why-the-altright-movement-is-using-the-term-soy-boy-to-insult-its-enemies-online/news-story/109652bcecb348d7bc733ec9a09a8a6a
I mean really, isn't "soy boy" so 2017? Making it alt-right wing "tired old-man speak?" May I suggest, you check-back-in, with your fellow toadies at your next, Incels' group meeting for more updated woke, "anti-he-man" insults (...kkkk!).
Man, I wish you libtards had to stay and live in the shitholes you created. Tooms the pretzel would have had to stay in California. PVmonger could not hightail it down to Mexico, and you would have your passport revoked. "I am sorry sir you can only have sex with women in blue states. " MLK had a dream, and that is mine.That's funny, because I could have sworn, that for decades, the Repubs, were declaring themselves, "as the party of freedoms".
The Glaring Contradiction of Republicans Rhetoric of Freedom
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/07/democrats-republicans-rhetoric-freedom-rollback/661519/
But much like the "clown show" and sham that is the QAnon/MAGA Repubs of today, the so called "party of freedom", was all just "farcical marketing", Elvis 2008, much like your thinly veiled arguments.
Just frickin' hilarious and very apt for Elvis 2008 (methinks)!
BTW, does that make MDS1...Spanky? (...kkkk!)Well, when they got older they relinquished Presidential Duties to others because they all too often showed up late for their own Manosphere Club meetings.
Not sure which one is MDS1 and which one is his King in this archival documentary of the Club. But I see MDS1 had already established the rule that their Annual Conventions must always take place in his neighborhood so as to keep everyone as close as possible to where the important news actually happens. Television, the Internet and Live News Streams not yet being invented, you know:
https://youtu.be/71k0tm8dZqI?si=-Bl3hY7azJKcJKmb
Elvis 2008
11-19-23, 02:57
(...kkkk!) Elvis 2008, can't you strive to be anything better than a hackneyed QAnon/MAGA clich?Soy boy, anything you do not like is Qanon / MAGA. Clarey gives data driven research, and his #1 source for research was the USA Department of Labor.
You would not know a fact if it was fried in soybean oil and bit you in the ass.
MarquisdeSade1
11-19-23, 04:06
"And the soy boys Tooms and Spidy convince themselves they are the sides of women, not the women who respect and co-exist with men, but the women who HATE them. They are so delusional that they do not even see the train wreck they are creating. Well, they are the Demolition Democrats after all.
Clarey actually makes the case, a case I agree with, that what drives society is male sex drive. In other words, men busting their asses to impress women is what pushes society forward and now that these same men are getting their teeth kicked in, insulted, told women have choice while killing their kids but no choice when it comes to child support, and how fucking great women are when they produce most of the important things in society, they are checking out. They are rejecting the lard asses, the women with tattoos everywhere, the women with other men's children, and the women sucking down a smorgasbord of pills for mental illness. Hell, this site is a testament to men saying fuck it when it comes to American women.
What Clarey predicts, and what I have seen in my own life, is men particularly younger men shacking up with their folks, living in one bedroom with a huge TV content to live with video games and porn and never date. Last I checked a webcam gal couldn't falsely claim rape or sexual harassment. Yes, one way to not be accused of victimizing a woman is to never speak to one.
(Having a Colombian gal, I will say that they are similar to their American counterparts but there is one huge difference. There is not this constant playing the victim in Colombia. My gal's daughter tried doing that, and my gal ripped her a new one verbally.).
The typical soy boy / feminazi reaction to the men checking out is to rag on such men as if this is their problem and not a huge issue for society, and it is one. If you got men content to live on $25,000 a year and not wanting to procreate, society will literally collapse.
Yet the Demolition Democratic douches are content to do to society what they have done to our finest cities.
Men suck. Go women! / sarc. What a bunch of sexist punks. ".
Tell me how the fuck this is legit.
She sues him for "rape" 5 yrs later, "towards the end of the relationship"? Are you fucking joking, no police report?? This what these losers vote for more of!!
And Bill hits it out of the park AGAIN.
https://nypost.com/2023/11/18/news/bill-maher-reveals-reason-he-thinks-trump-is-winning-against-biden?utm_source=gmail&utm_campaign=android_nyp
MarquisdeSade1
11-19-23, 04:20
"I said Republican primaries are less rigged not that they were totally pure. The media has been rigging them for years when they do this front runner bullshit. Jeb Bush as front runner in 2016? Somehow the media had a comeback in 2020 when they pushed the corpse of Joe Biden to be president and with a little help from the AA communities, he "won".
Actually, Trump completely hoodwinked the media in 2016 to cover him. He got more free media coverage than anyone and instead of the media, which rigs elections, making him look foolish, Trump made the media look dumb. The media were all crying in their La Croix water when Trump got elected and said, "Why did we give this guy so much coverage?
Even now, you have many people running in the more fair Republican primaries and viable challengers like RFK JR (guess he too is not a Democrat like Bernie) bailing ship and running as independent. The Democratic primaries are so rigged the majority of Democratic voters don't want Biden as president but they have no choice but to accept him. Hel, you even have Bill Maher begging Biden not to run.
We are running out of ingredients Mr. Pretzel. Salt, nacho cheese are gone. All that is left is a side of mustard. Man, I get it. It is hard being a Democrat these days. Things were so much easier when Black Jesus was around. ".
There are reasons women have jobs, wall street wants to drive up GDP, how? By making both husband and wife work, you can pay the man less, because now they have 2 incomes to get by, but need 2 cars now and clothes for work etc but they can drive up the GDP.
And there is what's called ADULT DAY CARE.
I go into the Chase Tower in downtown Chicago regularly and see lots of ADULT DAY CARE.
You will go by an office with several 20 something women sitting in there playing with their fones and hair etc.
I guess they are having a MEETING LMAO.
Travel around most of the world and you will see most of these women selling pussy.
But in the west they don't want men getting easy pussy.
They want men to have to fight over crumbs and work your ass off for a beach with a horrible entitled attitude.
Travel around Asia or Latin America or Eastern Europe and see what kind of ADULT DAY CARE is available? NONE.
The wall street dirtbags and The WEF crowd want females working 9 to 5 for them.
Even if its just ADULT DAY CARE.
I hope next time one of these ISG losers have cancer or need brain surgery they make sure to goto a female physician LMAO.
https://www.amazon.com/-/he/Martin-L-Gross/dp/0380973197
https://www.foxnews.com/media/passport-bro-growing-number-men-ditching-american-women-overseas
Just look around America? How many street hookers do you see? Not many they rather be working at Chase for ADULT DAY CARE.
Just look and see how many men are homeless including veterans? How many women are homeless??
Its because of dirtbags with the same attitude as spidy.
Be nice to the pigs, lick their dirty buttholes, maybe theyll give you sum pussy!
This turd is and always was the one the Democrat turds worship.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2023/11/16/young-americans-go-viral-on-chinas-tiktok-spreading-ideas-of-osama-bin-laden/
"Sure sure sure. Whatever you say.
So my actual link proving that your Repub Party talking point about the so-called 'Obamaphone', which was roundly and famously debunked since they first pitched that lie, had nothing to do with Obama and even began in 2008 under one of your beloved Repub so-called presidents the year before Obama became President and launched into producing one of the most successful Great Dem Recoveries of all time from one of the most disastrous Great Repub Recessions and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction of all time was somehow miraculously refuted by your absolute zero link supporting no contention whatsoever other than that you were obviously either just making up shit on your own or left it up to your beloved Repub Party to provide all the shit you are delighted to carry for them?
Oh yes, of course. Even the casual reader can see that.
Lolol. ".
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/mobile/these-states-depend-obama-phone-most-n378741
Nbc calls them Obama fones dum dum jajajajajajajaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
I believe it was Reagan that started the subsidy program.
But Barry expanded it to include free fones, that's why they call them Obama FONES.
I know you're old, but maybe go back to school and learn to read.
Oh wait you can't you're in the 3rd world jajajaja and can't go back to California they kicked you out and their shitty public schools are the reason you can't comprehend anything you read in the first place.LOL. It always cracks me up when self-deluded Wingers discover for the first time a MSM outlet promoting and repeating their beloved Repub Party Campaign talking points in order to help them win elections. This has been going on for about 100 years. Mainstream Media is on YOUR side, they want YOUR candidates to win!
Of course, NBC will happily refer to a program that began under GW Bush and had nothing to do with Obama as an "Obamaphone" as long as their beloved Repub candidates think doing so will help them win elections.
Of course, Bill Maher will rush to the nearest camera and microphone to wholeheartedly endorse any candidate other than the official Democratic Party candidate as long as it helps his beloved Repub candidate win an election.
Of course, MSM promotes the idea that Bill Clinton "created NAFTA", that the one Party that has produced and presided over every major economic downturn and massive jobs destruction of the past 100 years and NONE of the boom times and Historic Jobs gains is "better at handling the economy than Democrats" in their silly, almost trick question about it in their polls. Without once pointing out that the election "polls" at the ballot box have never once shown the American Electorate turning to the Repub Party to "handle the economy better" in the half dozen or more elections of the past 100 years when the Repub economy is crashing down around our ears, jobs are being wiped our or have not been created in any noticeable numbers when we really, really need the economy to be "handled better" ASAP. LOL.
And on and on.
What next, will NBC grandly announce the outlawing of Sex For Pleasure because of "Joe Biden's repeal of Roe v Wade" right before next year's election simply because Trump and his Repubs made that happen on Biden's watch? LOL. And I suppose you will be surprised when you read that too. Lolol.
MarquisdeSade1
11-19-23, 18:38
"And the soy boys Tooms and Spidy convince themselves they are the sides of women, not the women who respect and co-exist with men, but the women who HATE them. They are so delusional that they do not even see the train wreck they are creating. Well, they are the Demolition Democrats after all.
Clarey actually makes the case, a case I agree with, that what drives society is male sex drive. In other words, men busting their asses to impress women is what pushes society forward and now that these same men are getting their teeth kicked in, insulted, told women have choice while killing their kids but no choice when it comes to child support, and how fucking great women are when they produce most of the important things in society, they are checking out. They are rejecting the lard asses, the women with tattoos everywhere, the women with other men's children, and the women sucking down a smorgasbord of pills for mental illness. Hell, this site is a testament to men saying fuck it when it comes to American women.
What Clarey predicts, and what I have seen in my own life, is men particularly younger men shacking up with their folks, living in one bedroom with a huge TV content to live with video games and porn and never date. Last I checked a webcam gal couldn't falsely claim rape or sexual harassment. Yes, one way to not be accused of victimizing a woman is to never speak to one.
(Having a Colombian gal, I will say that they are similar to their American counterparts but there is one huge difference. There is not this constant playing the victim in Colombia. My gal's daughter tried doing that, and my gal ripped her a new one verbally.).
The typical soy boy / feminazi reaction to the men checking out is to rag on such men as if this is their problem and not a huge issue for society, and it is one. If you got men content to live on $25,000 a year and not wanting to procreate, society will literally collapse.
Yet the Demolition Democratic douches are content to do to society what they have done to our finest cities.
Men suck. Go women! / sarc. What a bunch of sexist punks. ".
Tell me how the fuck this is legit.
She sues him for "rape" 5 yrs later, "towards the end of the relationship"? Are you fucking joking, no police report?? This what these losers vote for more of!!
And Bill hits it out of the park AGAIN.
https://nypost.com/2023/11/18/news/bill-maher-reveals-reason-he-thinks-trump-is-winning-against-biden?utm_source=gmail&utm_campaign=android_nyp".
Tell me how the fuck this is legit.
She sues him for "rape" 5 yrs later, "towards the end of the relationship"? Are you fucking joking, no police report?? This what these losers vote for more of!!
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/entertainment/sean-diddy-combs-settles-lawsuit-cassie/index.html
MarquisdeSade1
11-19-23, 19:32
"While Bill Maher continues his years long weekly Republican Party Campaign Rallies and calculates which third candidate on a future ballot to endorse in order to ensure a Republican candidate win, it might be useful to recap a few recent Bill Maher Republican Party Campaign Rally expert analysis and predictions vs real world outcomes:
Bill Maher predicts GOP will win big in midterms because of 'woke culture' and says America is now the 'Titanic right after the iceberg hit': Compares democracy to a McRib - 'it's here now. So enjoy it while you can'.
Nov. 5, 202.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11393401/Bill-Maher-predicts-GOP-win-big-midterms-woke-culture.html
Vs:
How Democrats won the midterms.
Dec. 12,2022.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3766063-how-democrats-won-the-midterms/
Oh, and there is this, Bill:
The Democrats Lost the House by Just 6,675 Votes. What Went Wrong?
At first glance, Democratic performance in last years House races was great. But a close look under the hood reveals that, with a few smarter moves and a little more luck, wed have Speaker Jeffries.
Feb. 9, 2923.
https://newrepublic.com/article/170248/democrats-lost-house-2022-midterm-election-mistakes#text=Even%20 by%20 the%20 standards%20 of, changed%20 that%20 number%20 to%206%2 C675).
Mind you, that would include Mini Trump George Santos' "win" in New York based on what is turning out to be 100% lies about everything and at least a couple of over-creatively magic-marker Repub Governor-"redrawn" districts similar to the ones for which those so-called Governors have been spanked by Federal Judges.
But it didn't stop there:
Democrats have been winning big in special elections.
That could bode well for them in the 2024 election.
Sept. 20,2023.
https://abcnews.go.com/538/democrats-winning-big-special-elections/story?id=103315703
And let's not forget this:
Democrats are celebrating major victories in Tuesday's elections.
Nov. 8, 2023.
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/08/1211459885/democrats-are-celebrating-major-victories-in-tuesdays-elections
You know, I'm beginning to suspect Bill Maher's pro Repub Bothsiderism election analysis and predictions are quite full of shit, especially with regard to his continually campaigning for Repubs on their idiotic "War on Woke" nothingness for lack of anything else to run on that they have ever accomplished for the American people over the past 100 years or so".
https://dailycaller.com/2023/11/17/hakeem-jeffries-watermelon-gaza/
The rabidly racist Democrat party rather have tlaib or even omar.
MarquisdeSade1
11-19-23, 20:57
"LOL. It always cracks me up when self-deluded Wingers discover for the first time a MSM outlet promoting and repeating their beloved Repub Party Campaign talking points in order to help them win elections. This has been going on for about 100 years. Mainstream Media is on YOUR side, they want YOUR candidates to win!
Of course, NBC will happily refer to a program that began under GW Bush and had nothing to do with Obama as an "Obamaphone" as long as their beloved Repub candidates think doing so will help them win elections.
Of course, Bill Maher will rush to the nearest camera and microphone to wholeheartedly endorse any candidate other than the official Democratic Party candidate as long as it helps his beloved Repub candidate win an election.
Of course, MSM promotes the idea that Bill Clinton "created NAFTA", that the one Party that has produced and presided over every major economic downturn and massive jobs destruction of the past 100 years and NONE of the boom times and Historic Jobs gains is "better at handling the economy than Democrats" in their silly, almost trick question about it in their polls. Without once pointing out that the election "polls" at the ballot box have never once shown the American Electorate turning to the Repub Party to "handle the economy better" in the half dozen or more elections of the past 100 years when the Repub economy is crashing down around our ears, jobs are being wiped our or have not been created in any noticeable numbers when we really, really need the economy to be "handled better" ASAP. LOL.
And on and on.
What next, will NBC grandly announce the outlawing of Sex For Pleasure because of "Joe Biden's repeal of Roe v Wade" right before next year's election simply because Trump and his Repubs made that happen on Biden's watch? LOL. And I suppose you will be surprised when you read that too. Lolol. ".
You write some really silly nonsensical bullshit.
But this is way way over the top even for you, congrats you've outdone yourself.
" Mainstream Media is on YOUR side, they want YOUR candidates to win!
MarquisdeSade1
11-20-23, 04:26
"Soy boy, anything you do not like is Qanon / MAGA. Clarey gives data driven research, and his #1 source for research was the USA Department of Labor.
You would not know a fact if it was fried in soybean oil and bit you in the ass. ".
https://www.breitbart.com/education/2023/11/19/damaging-disruption-ny-times-editorial-board-admits-coronavirus-school-closures-were-mistake/
MarquisdeSade1
11-20-23, 04:31
"Soy boy, anything you do not like is Qanon / MAGA. Clarey gives data driven research, and his #1 source for research was the USA Department of Labor.
You would not know a fact if it was fried in soybean oil and bit you in the ass. ".
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/army-vaccine-mandate/2023/11/19/id/1142860/
The motion carries!
Buckwheat says otay! LMFAO!
I imagine, Elvis 2008, hears that a lot at his local chapter's "he-man" Incels group meetings. (ie. "...otay brother Elvis...otay!!!) (...kkkk!)
Soy boy, anything you do not like is Qanon / MAGA. Clarey gives data driven research, and his #1 source for research was the USA Department of Labor.
You would not know a fact if it was fried in soybean oil and bit you in the ass.Don't know for a fact, but I'm guessing, the data is highly manipulated to represent his Incels right-wing ideology.
Elvis 2008, once again you sound like your at an Incels group meeting. Where, I guess you must have taken, "the Clarey red pill"? No doubt, you took several "red pills", thinking it would "up your manhood"? Probably thinking it would work like Viagra? (...kkkk!)
Aaron Clarey - Incel Wiki
https://incels.wiki/w/Aaron_Clarey
Listen, I think Aaron Clarey, just another "dude" in the long line of charlatans, gifters and "snake-oil salesmen", spouting the last nonsense in right-wing ideology, fake-philosophy and "winger gospel", on weak minded men and their manhood (or lack thereof).
Incels: A new terror threat to the UK?
Why did Jake Davison kill five people in Plymouth? One of the key questions for investigators right now is what, if any, role his belief in "Incel" culture played in his murderous decisions.
In modern far right forums, followers are urged to take the "red pill" - a metaphor for waking up and seeing the world as they say it really is, revealing the secret conspirators who control their lives - whether they are Jews, Muslims or another group. ...
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58207064
Whoa! Seems UK Incels are being put on their terrorist watch list. Why does that not surprise me? Brits, pose the question "Is it a far-right terrorist ideology?"
It is always so very telling when right-wingers, are touting their NEXT "Jesus" and "Loud and Save-ior (dumb ass)"
"LOL. It always cracks me up when self-deluded Wingers discover for the first time a MSM outlet promoting and repeating their beloved Repub Party Campaign talking points in order to help them win elections. This has been going on for about 100 years. Mainstream Media is on YOUR side, they want YOUR candidates to win!
Of course, NBC will happily refer to a program that began under GW Bush and had nothing to do with Obama as an "Obamaphone" as long as their beloved Repub candidates think doing so will help them win elections.
Of course, Bill Maher will rush to the nearest camera and microphone to wholeheartedly endorse any candidate other than the official Democratic Party candidate as long as it helps his beloved Repub candidate win an election.
Of course, MSM promotes the idea that Bill Clinton "created NAFTA", that the one Party that has produced and presided over every major economic downturn and massive jobs destruction of the past 100 years and NONE of the boom times and Historic Jobs gains is "better at handling the economy than Democrats" in their silly, almost trick question about it in their polls. Without once pointing out that the election "polls" at the ballot box have never once shown the American Electorate turning to the Repub Party to "handle the economy better" in the half dozen or more elections of the past 100 years when the Repub economy is crashing down around our ears, jobs are being wiped our or have not been created in any noticeable numbers when we really, really need the economy to be "handled better" ASAP. LOL.
And on and on.
What next, will NBC grandly announce the outlawing of Sex For Pleasure because of "Joe Biden's repeal of Roe v Wade" right before next year's election simply because Trump and his Repubs made that happen on Biden's watch? LOL. And I suppose you will be surprised when you read that too. Lolol. ".
You write some really silly nonsensical bullshit.
But this is way way over the top even for you, congrats you've outdone yourself.
" Mainstream Media is on YOUR side, they want YOUR candidates to win!You probably think because Mainstream Media must report the facts during Great Repub Recessions and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction that they are picking on your poor widdle Repubs. And when they report the facts about Great Dem Recoveries, Expansions and Historic Jobs Gains that they are siding with Dems. Right?
Nope.
MSM must report those factual events. If they ignore those things they can't be taken seriously as "news" sources. They might as well be Fux, Newsmax or Breitbart.
But when MSM goes further to appear to be "Fair and Balanced," promoting false equivalence and so-called Bothsiderism by, say, making sure they say as many positive things (often fabricated by the Repubs) about Arsonists (The Repub Party, obviously) as the Firefighters (The Dem Party, obviously) and as many negative things about the Firefighters as the Arsonists, no matter how you cut it MSM is helping Arsonsists win elections.
See, MSM attracts a ton more eyes and ears to their product and makes a ton more money reporting on hellish, spectacular blazes set by Arsonists and not much at all reporting on Firefighters sitting around the Firehouse with nothing much to do except play cards.
MSM's beloved Repubs are the Arsonist gifts that give, give reliably and keep on giving reliably at every opportunity.
So it is MSM's mission to lean on whatever apparently winning Repub talking point and Campaign pitch they conjure up and downplay every remarkable achievement by the Dems.
Surely, it has not taken you all these past decades to figure that out.
LOL. I know, I know. You think you and your fellow Wingers have been courageously and defiantly swimming against the MSM tide to reach the glorious truth ashore.
LOL. Hardly.
You and your fellow Wingers are MSM's Useful Idiots, the Suckers they rely on to deliver their beloved Repubs to the levers of government and thereby produce all the Disastrous Economic and National Security HEADLINES your MSM Puppet-masters crave.
MSM thanks you for your vote.
Elvis 2008
11-20-23, 20:26
I imagine, Elvis 2008, hears that a lot at his local chapter's "he-man" Incels group meetings.Incel means involuntarily celibate. I do not even think that is an accurate term. Hell, if I had to hang around these delusional 300 pound tattooed man-hating whales showing skin, I would be voluntarily celibate.
As for being an incel, my friends call my gal a ten, and Clarey has a GF too, but facts do not seem to matter to you. You can add he man and incel to Qanon and MAGA.
Thing is Deep Fried Soy Boy, I appreciate women. I just do not fawn over them and imagine they adore me because I am willing to beat the shit out of my own sex like you do. That and a open wallet seem like the only ways that you think that you can get laid.
From what I have seen, women do not like this whole "men suck and women are great" routine, at least not the women I hang with. Those women are more interested in honesty than being lied to and know how important men are. It might be news to you but they have fathers, brothers, uncles ETC that they adore and depend on.
Maybe for once you should try hanging around with women who do not hate men. Oh my bad. You are a white male and think you deserve to be flogged. Keep saving those whales, Deep Fried!
Elvis 2008
11-20-23, 20:32
You write some really silly nonsensical bullshit.
But this is way way over the top even for you, congrats you've outdone yourself.
" Mainstream Media is on YOUR side, they want YOUR candidates to win!Last I read it was like 90+% of the media voted for Democrats. Hell, Tooms is even railing against guys who push Dems all the time like Taibbi, Rogan, and Bill Maher.
Eh, well, at least they are consistent. If the soy boys and pretzels do not get 100%, they cry foul and demand censorship.
MarquisdeSade1
11-20-23, 22:52
"You probably think because Mainstream Media must report the facts during Great Repub Recessions and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction that they are picking on your poor widdle Repubs. And when they report the facts about Great Dem Recoveries, Expansions and Historic Jobs Gains that they are siding with Dems. Right?
Nope.
MSM must report those factual events. If they ignore those things they can't be taken seriously as "news" sources. They might as well be Fux, Newsmax or Breitbart.
But when MSM goes further to appear to be "Fair and Balanced," promoting false equivalence and so-called Bothsiderism by, say, making sure they say as many positive things (often fabricated by the Repubs) about Arsonists (The Repub Party, obviously) as the Firefighters (The Dem Party, obviously) and as many negative things about the Firefighters as the Arsonists, no matter how you cut it MSM is helping Arsonsists win elections.
See, MSM attracts a ton more eyes and ears to their product and makes a ton more money reporting on hellish, spectacular blazes set by Arsonists and not much at all reporting on Firefighters sitting around the Firehouse with nothing much to do except play cards.
MSM's beloved Repubs are the Arsonist gifts that give, give reliably and keep on giving reliably at every opportunity.
So it is MSM's mission to lean on whatever apparently winning Repub talking point and Campaign pitch they conjure up and downplay every remarkable achievement by the Dems.
Surely, it has not taken you all these past decades to figure that out.
LOL. I know, I know. You think you and your fellow Wingers have been courageously and defiantly swimming against the MSM tide to reach the glorious truth ashore.
LOL. Hardly.
You and your fellow Wingers are MSM's Useful Idiots, the Suckers they rely on to deliver their beloved Repubs to the levers of government and thereby produce all the Disastrous Economic and National Security HEADLINES your MSM Puppet-masters crave.
MSM thanks you for your vote. ".
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/11/20/nolte-democrat-partys-embrace-antisemitism-backfires-nbcs-biden-poll/
The party of anti white racism and hate thanks you for your loyal cuckery.
MarquisdeSade1
11-21-23, 02:36
"Last I read it was like 90+% of the media voted for Democrats. Hell, Tooms is even railing against guys who push Dems all the time like Taibbi, Rogan, and Bill Maher.
Eh, well, at least they are consistent. If the soy boys and pretzels do not get 100%, they cry foul and demand censorship. ".
I say either severely low IQ and / or extreme psychosis.
BTW I hate both parties!
Last I read it was like 90+% of the media voted for Democrats. Hell, Tooms is even railing against guys who push Dems all the time like Taibbi, Rogan, and Bill Maher.
Eh, well, at least they are consistent. If the soy boys and pretzels do not get 100%, they cry foul and demand censorship.It's got nothing to do with who they vote for or how the feel in their hearts and minds. It's all about the "Bothsider / Neithersiderism" that improves their ratings and viewership even though their methods are elevating Arsonists and bringing down the standing of Firefighters along the way. Hell, they don't even have to realize that is what their "Fair and Balanced"/ False Equivalence methods produces at the ballot box.
I just heard Bill Maher repeat the thoroughly debunked BS about JFK getting elected because Joe Kennedy somehow bought a flood of phony votes for him in Chicago. On his Club Random blog. He repeated it as a dutiful pro Repub "Bothsider" would; as though it was established fact. LOL. He is helping to support Trump's Big Lie and therefore improve his chances of winning the next election. In all probability Maher was just speaking out of ignorance rather than intentional malice as he does about Trump's Pandemic mitigation measures. Then again, I might argue that his willful ignorance about these things is malicious in the case of people, like him, with access to and attention from a significant audience of voters.
But so what? The end result is the same whether it is inadvertant or intentional. It might only take a few hundred of Maher's less critical thinkers in his auduence to swing an election to one of the two worst so-called presidents of all time again as he did in 2000 and trying to do again for 2024 for Trump.
BTW, Maher also repeated a sentiment he feels when he sees a 22 year old wearing a mask outdoors and walking alone on that same recent blog episode that beautifully illustrated his real or feigned astonishing and dangerous ignorance of that subject too. But I don't have time to go into that right now.
Incel means involuntarily celibate. I do not even think that is an accurate term. Hell, if I had to hang around these delusional 300 pound tattooed man-hating whales showing skin, I would be voluntarily celibate.
As for being an incel, my friends call my gal a ten, and Clarey has a GF too, but facts do not seem to matter to you. You can add he man and incel to Qanon and MAGA.
Yeah, the He-man Incel/QAnon/MAGA, does have an interesting low-rent Machiavellian ring to it. Thanks, note to add!
Hey Elvis 2008, that's great news! I hear it's not not many you Incels guys, get to leave the group hoard, with all ten fingers and toes (...kkkk!), let alone manage to find GFs. So good on you and Clarey.
However, even though you guys say you have GFs, one still has to ask and begs the question, "Can a 'Incel Zebra' change it's stripes?"
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What I Learned From Dating an Incel
it was the year that I was bestowed with the gift of first love. And what a gift it was; I cherished it dearly it was exciting, passionate, and completely rotten to its core. I didnt realize it at the time, but I was dating an Incel.
An Incel is someone who identifies as involuntarily celibate, but the classification is more complicated than that. Inceldom is multipronged like a Devils pitchfork.
Not all who remain chaste can be classified as Incels; its an ideology; a way to define how you feel about sex, regardless of how often youre having it. In this sense, men who are engaging in a lot of sex can still be considered Incels. And this was the case for my first love. ...
As time went on it became clear that he was nothing more than a rebel without a cause, and that the only system he would be tearing down was his own. ...
Because when youre brought up to believe that simply having women be that as girlfriends or pretty things to look at is a basic human right, your views of women as a resource will always trump your desire for them to be treated fairly.
https://medium.com/illumination/what-i-learned-from-dating-an-incel-2ac4b8dceb58
Take for example above, and what this young women learned, while dating an Incel. If her experience is any indication, then just because Incels, have GFs, doesn't automatically mean men are exempted from still being Incels.
Thing is Deep Fried Soy Boy, I appreciate women. I just do not fawn over them and imagine they adore me because I am willing to beat the shit out of my own sex like you do. That and a open wallet seem like the only ways that you think that you can get laid. Elvis 2008, keep telling yourself whatever gets you too sleep at nights.
I think right now, if you had told me, you counted, your pretty-little "sheep-ish" GFs, before going to sleep at night, it would currently be germane to the economic discussion at hand.
From what I have seen, women do not like this whole "men suck and women are great" routine, at least not the women I hang with. Those women are more interested in honesty than being lied to and know how important men are. It might be news to you but they have fathers, brothers, uncles ETC that they adore and depend on.
Maybe for once you should try hanging around with women who do not hate men. Oh my bad. You are a white male and think you deserve to be flogged. Keep saving those whales, Deep Fried!
Elvis 2008, once again, making a mountain out of a molehill, and yet somehow still managing to make it, about him. Dude, IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU!!!...To fashion a political idiom, "..it's the economy, stupid!"
Talk about a fragile "manhood" you have! Is it any wonder, that you do indeed, resemble the ideolog Incels nutjobs, when you blindly jump to the conclusion of "soy boy", after I presented several articles showing a Biden GDP of rise of 4.3% and a thriving billion dollar Q3 2023 economy that was largely driven by women (Beyoncé, Taylor Swift and the Barbie Movie movement), and you had to go and make it personal.
ONE QUARTER of economic success, largely driven women, and Elvis 2008, has to go an blow a gasket on his Chicken-little "manhood"! Ahh...the sky is falling, women are taking over, but hey I'm no Incel, because I have a GF that is a 10! How very Incel-lian of you!
Elvis 2008, perhaps had your so called GF/gal, been working her "ass-ets" off and had contributed billions to US Q3 2023 economy, I'd say you have something to actually brag about, w/r to the economy and this economic discussion.
But since I'm pretty sure that's not the case, perhaps it would be best to leave the GF pillow talk and the GF bragging, to the "Stupid Shit in Medellin" forums. After all, this is the American Politics forum.
No need to feel, you need to respond, as I think I've answered my own question w/r to "Incel Zebras".
Vagabundo1
11-22-23, 05:38
Do yourself a favor and block sp (dy.
Incel means involuntarily celibate. I do not even think that is an accurate term. Hell, if I had to hang around these delusional 300 pound tattooed man-hating whales showing skin, I would be voluntarily celibate.
As for being an incel, my friends call my gal a ten, and Clarey has a GF too, but facts do not seem to matter to you. You can add he man and incel to Qanon and MAGA.
Thing is Deep Fried Soy Boy, I appreciate women. I just do not fawn over them and imagine they adore me because I am willing to beat the shit out of my own sex like you do. That and a open wallet seem like the only ways that you think that you can get laid.
From what I have seen, women do not like this whole "men suck and women are great" routine, at least not the women I hang with. Those women are more interested in honesty than being lied to and know how important men are. It might be news to you but they have fathers, brothers, uncles ETC that they adore and depend on.
Maybe for once you should try hanging around with women who do not hate men. Oh my bad. You are a white male and think you deserve to be flogged. Keep saving those whales, Deep Fried!
Elvis 2008
11-22-23, 09:42
No need to feel, you need to respond, as I think I've answered my own question w/r to "Incel Zebras".You kind of missed the biggest one liner in the whole article Spidy but again facts are not your thing.
"he was a hardcore leftie. ".
He he he. You got to be kidding me Deep Fried Soy Boy! You had "Mr. Incel" here as a MAGA / QAnon type. LOL. ROTFLMAO.
It gets better. "I've come to realize that political identity doesn't mean much when it comes to how people feel about women. " Strike two. Oh, that one had to hurt. The women do not love you soy boys and pretzels more than the MAGA Republicans. LOL. Say it ain't so. I am dying laughing here.
And here we go with the Democratic douche Clintonian trick of redefining a word, what your definition of is is. "An Incel is someone who identifies as 'involuntarily celibate', but the classification is more complicated than that. Not all who remain chaste can be classified as 'Incels'; it's an ideology; a way to define how you feel about sex, regardless of how often you're having it. In this sense, men who are engaging in a lot of sex can still be considered Incels. ".
Yes, incels can have sex now. Strike three. It cannot get worse but it does.
"The year I turned twenty-two marked two important life events. I was immediately attracted to his dirt-bag personality. I loved that he wasn't afraid to speak his mind. My Incel believed that a society that rewarded physical attractiveness over 'merit' was inherently oppressive. He believed that society should reward merit based on his idea of what merit was, and encompassed within 'society's rewards' was the sexual availability of women. He threatened to kill a security guard when he was removed from a bar; he was violent towards animals; he sexually assaulted a mutual friend of ours, he tried to convince me that I was unattractive, by continually poking at 'flaws' in my appearance. To put it bluntly. I've never had an attractive man insult my appearance. The man I loved was attractive, so he made himself unattractive as a form of rebellion against social hierarchies. Despite his rebellion, he still wanted to benefit from said social hierarchies by being gifted with a physically 'superior' girlfriend. I still stuck by him despite all the pain because It's not easy to say goodbye to your first love, and I still believed he had a good heart. ".
So Mr. Dirt Ball is a good looking psychopath, and this 22 year old female ditz you worship Spidy cannot call him the usual names because he is a leftie so she calls him an incel which makes zero sense. Yes, the MAGA guys are crazy but she loved the possessive, sex crazed, violent, and deeply psychopathic leftie.
Well, at least she may have understood what lefties are all about. They do not tell women the truth but what they want to hear to get into their pants. "Men suck. Women are great. See what a good leftie I am? Now give me all that pussy. " LOL. I am dying here. Clearly, Deep Fried Soy Boy, this guy is your role model.
Of course, this naive 22 year old never mentions responsibility, never mentions she screwed up, barely mentions that going for looks and political persuasion over character bit her in the ass. There is nothing positive about men. Some men apparently just suck less than others.
This woman has to be verbally smacked upside the head which will never happen if she hangs around lefties. Hating men rather than being responsible for her own bad decisions is childish. If women really want to be equal to men, they need to step up and walk the walk with responsibility.
Mr. Leftie is not an incel. He is a fucking psychopath, and this 22 year old ditz needs to own that, but I doubt she ever will.
Yeah, the He-man Incel/QAnon/MAGA, does have an interesting low-rent Machiavellian ring to it. Thanks, note to add!
Hey Elvis 2008, that's great news! I hear it's not not many you Incels guys, get to leave the group hoard, with all ten fingers and toes (...kkkk!), let alone manage to find GFs. So good on you and Clarey.
However, even though you guys say you have GFs, one still has to ask and begs the question, "Can a 'Incel Zebra' change it's stripes?"
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Take for example above, and what this young women learned, while dating an Incel. If her experience is any indication, then just because Incels, have GFs, doesn't automatically mean men are exempted from still being Incels.
Elvis 2008, keep telling yourself whatever gets you too sleep at nights.
I think right now, if you had told me, you counted, your pretty-little "sheep-ish" GFs, before going to sleep at night, it would currently be germane to the economic discussion at hand.
Elvis 2008, once again, making a mountain out of a molehill, and yet somehow still managing to make it, about him. Dude, IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU!!!...To fashion a political idiom, "..it's the economy, stupid!"
Talk about a fragile "manhood" you have! Is it any wonder, that you do indeed, resemble the ideolog Incels nutjobs, when you blindly jump to the conclusion of "soy boy", after I presented several articles showing a Biden GDP of rise of 4.3% and a thriving billion dollar Q3 2023 economy that was largely driven by women (Beyonc, Taylor Swift and the Barbie Movie movement), and you had to go and make it personal.
ONE QUARTER of economic success, largely driven women, and Elvis 2008, has to go an blow a gasket on his Chicken-little "manhood"! Ahh...the sky is falling, women are taking over, but hey I'm no Incel, because I have a GF that is a 10! How very Incel-lian of you!
Elvis 2008, perhaps had your so called GF/gal, been working her "ass-ets" off and had contributed billions to US Q3 2023 economy, I'd say you have something to actually brag about, w/r to the economy and this economic discussion.
But since I'm pretty sure that's not the case, perhaps it would be best to leave the GF pillow talk and the GF bragging, to the "Stupid Shit in Medellin" forums. After all, this is the American Politics forum.
No need to feel, you need to respond, as I think I've answered my own question w/r to "Incel Zebras".I have heard the he-Man Woman-Haters Manosphere Club is begging for a cease fire with women who keep winning the Bigger Balls War (case in point, Cassidy Hutchinson). And during the pause they will adopt a new club name that at least includes the plural of "Man" in order to entice more terrified men to join.
After much deliberation the most popular new name by limp-wristed show of hands appears to address the plural issue and commemorate the cease fire all at once:
"The Menopause Club".
Catchy name. I think they should go with it.
MarquisdeSade1
11-23-23, 04:54
In March he told loyalists in Waco, Texas:
I am your warrior. I am your justice. And for those who have been wronged and betrayed, I am your retribution.
"With you at my side," Trump went on to say.
We will totally obliterate the deep state, we will banish the warmongers from our government, we will drive out the globalists, and we will cast out the communists and Marxists, we will throw off the corrupt political class, we will beat the Democrats, we will rout the fake news media, we will stand up to the RINOs, and we will defeat Joe Biden and every single Democrat.
Send all campaign donations to.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/
Elvis 2008
11-23-23, 17:07
I have heard the he-Man Woman-Haters Manosphere Club is begging for a cease fire with women who keep winning the Bigger Balls War (case in point, Cassidy Hutchinson). And during the pause they will adopt a new club name that at least includes the plural of "Man" in order to entice more terrified men to join.
After much deliberation the most popular new name by limp-wristed show of hands appears to address the plural issue and commemorate the cease fire all at once:
"The Menopause Club".Sorry Uncle Twisty the Pretzel Man, there is no woman hating on going on in the new manosphere. It is now more reactionary to the blatant sexism and racism from the male, female, and trans lefties like yourself. "The first thing we got to do is get all the white men out". I did not like the man hating ways of the MGTOW movement and I like this one much more where being real is key. The guys in the manosphere have wives and GFs and tell others what to watch out for with women.
But then again, I was talking to a married California Democrat struggling with the cost of living there. Also the homeless who have set up in his neighborhood. He is afraid for his kids and said, "These homeless guys keep shitting on my lawn. " And he is all in on the LGBTQ+/ women's rights "you go girl" movement. I admire his tenacity, but like I said, it is hard being a Democrat these days.
And then there is you, Uncle Twisty slumming it in Thailand after voting in the mess that my friend has to endure. Yes, nothing says you support American women more than moving to Thailand and fucking Thai women. And you are calling the manosphere he man, American women hating? Isn't like one in seven women in Thailand a hooker, and you are out supporting that? That is like saying you support single moms and spending all day in a strip club.
Well, the new Democratic theme song should be from the appropriately named musical Something Rotten. The bard had it easy compared to those writing speeches for the Dems, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hnI7yhIWGY.
My days are so busy it's making me dizzy.
There's so much I got to do.
There's lunches and meetings and poetry readings.
And endless interviews.
Got to pose for a portrait.
And how I deplore sitting there for eternity.
Then it's off to the inn.
Where my innkeeper friend.
Wants to name a drink after me.
Then it's back to my room, where I resume.
My attempt to write a hit.
Just me and my beer and the terrible fear.
That I might be losing it.
And it's hard.
It's hard.
It's hard.
It's hard.
It's really hard.
So very very hard.
It's really hard.
Very very hard.
I make it look easy but honey believe me.
It's hard.
It's hard.
It's hard.
It's hard.
It's so incredibly hard.
So inconceivably, unbelievably hard.
In March he told loyalists in Waco, Texas:
I am your warrior. I am your justice. And for those who have been wronged and betrayed, I am your retribution.
"With you at my side," Trump went on to say.
We will totally obliterate the deep state, we will banish the warmongers from our government, we will drive out the globalists, and we will cast out the communists and Marxists, we will throw off the corrupt political class, we will beat the Democrats, we will rout the fake news media, we will stand up to the RINOs, and we will defeat Joe Biden and every single Democrat.
Send all campaign donations to.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/Remember this Mainstream Media favorite?
Biden Trails Trump In 5 Battleground States. But Odds Are Much Better For Another Democrat, Poll Says.
Nov. 5, 2023
https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/11/05/biden-trails-trump-in-5-battleground-states-but-odds-are-much-better-for-another-democrat-poll-says/?sh=431cdc7e4b08
But the poll found that another generic Democrat running against Trump would win five of the six battleground states by seven to 12 points, and Nevada by three.And all while Trump has been out there holding rallies and campaigning, saying a lot of really stupid things to rile up his stupid base like the crap you quoted from him, while Joe Biden has not. Yet. He has been busy with his day job.
Now, that "generic" thingy seems to be repeating itself in other polls as well.
The 81.2 Million voters who chose Biden over Trump's 74.2 Million, 7 Million more than Trump and enough to win a Trump-defined Electoral College "Landslide" victory, are beautifully and justifiably terrified of another horrific Trump so-called presidency. So much that they want his Democratic opponent to be "perfect" this time around, no risk of losing. All while your side's reliable benefactors in MSM, Bill Maher and so on are insisting that soooo many people think Joe is too old and won't vote for him.
So those voters really, really want that "perfect" Democratic candidate to run against Trump instead.
However, unless Joe does step aside for whatever reason, when it is time to vote next year all 81.2 Million of those voters are going to look at their ballot, see Trump's name on it, see Joe's name on it and Guess What?
Joe Biden will be the "generic" Democrat on that ballot.
I have heard the he-Man Woman-Haters Manosphere Club is begging for a cease fire with women who keep winning the Bigger Balls War (case in point, Cassidy Hutchinson). And during the pause they will adopt a new club name that at least includes the plural of "Man" in order to entice more terrified men to join. (...kkkk!) Is this you foreshadowing that the "he-Man Woman-Haters Manosphere Club" aka."The Menopause Club", could see the Baddest Biggest Balls Buster Biotch (5-in. heels), from SC, lead them in the 2024 Presidential race?
After much deliberation the most popular new name by limp-wristed show of hands appears to address the plural issue and commemorate the cease fire all at once:
"The Menopause Club".
Catchy name. I think they should go with it.
Jackpot! That's very on point and very much on brand, for He-Man Woman-Hater/Incel/QAnon/MAGA Repubs! Yeah, you nailed it, the Repubs solution to 95% of their polices, is just to "rebrand", "rebrand" and "rebrand" again. It's magically "fairy, pixie dust", don't ya know?
When all else fails (especially at the ballot-box), they chalk up their failures, as a "branding" or "messaging" problem. For example, with the currently loss in the 2023 Elections, mostly due to their stance on abortion, their answer to the losses in the 2023 Election and Primaries was to "rebrand" abortion as "a 15-week limit on abortion", instead of "a 15-week ban on abortion", as if Americans would think there's a difference....kkkk!
BTW, would the "He-Man Woman-Haters Manosphere Club", even allow a Bigger Bad-Ass Ball Busting [wo]MAN (5-in. heels) represent? You think?
Well...if all else fails, they can always "rebrand" her as a man, after all, just like "a 15-week abortion limit", Americans will never know the difference...right!
... "he was a hardcore leftie. ".
He he he. You got to be kidding me Deep Fried Soy Boy! You had "Mr. Incel" here as a MAGA / QAnon type. LOL. ROTFLMAO. (...kkkk!) That's a nice, wild and crazy working theory, you got going on, but despite your active imagination, there's not one thing that would suggest said dude, is a "leftie".
Let me put it to you, like Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) on Nov, 13th, 2023, when trying his damndest, to find anything meaningful his woeful Republican party had done:
Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) - "One thing...I want my Republican colleagues to give me, one thing...one, that I can go campaign on and said we did?", "One?...anyone sitting in the complex wanna come down to the floor and explain to me, one material, meaningful and significant thing... the Republican majority have done, besides...well I guess it's not as bad as the Democrats?"
{...Muffled silent chuckles abound from Democrats and some Republicans...}
Much like poor old, Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX), all arguments in the article, suggest right-wing Incel/QAnon/MAGA Republican, traits of ineptitude.
Mr. Leftie is not an incel. He is a fucking psychopath, ... You said it yourself, he's "a fucking psychopath". If that's true, with such traits and behavior, that would put said dude, as far psychopaths Incels, go...more so, squarely in the camp of the right-wing QAnon/MAGA Republican conservatism.
DARK SIDE OF CONSERVATISM - Republicans have more psychopathic traits than Democrats, according to a psychology survey
https://qz.com/1462622/republicans-have-more-psychopathic-traits-than-democrats-according-to-a-psychology-survey
https://www.psypost.org/2018/11/study-suggests-psychopathic-traits-are-higher-in-republicans-than-in-democrats-52566
Yes indeed, QAnon/MAGA Repubs own "crazy", not to mention, have a lock-on "scary crazy"!!!
If I not mistaken, these days, it's a MUST have requirement, when running for the Repubs! (...kkkk!)
MarquisdeSade1
11-25-23, 09:15
"Remember this Mainstream Media favorite?
Biden Trails Trump In 5 Battleground States. But Odds Are Much Better For Another Democrat, Poll Says.
Nov. 5, 2023.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/11/05/biden-trails-trump-in-5-battleground-states-but-odds-are-much-better-for-another-democrat-poll-says/?sh=431cdc7e4b08
And all while Trump has been out there holding rallies and campaigning, saying a lot of really stupid things to rile up his stupid base like the crap you quoted from him, while Joe Biden has not. Yet. He has been busy with his day job.
Now, that "generic" thingy seems to be repeating itself in other polls as well.
The 81.2 Million voters who chose Biden over Trump's 74.2 Million, 7 Million more than Trump and enough to win a Trump-defined Electoral College "Landslide" victory, are beautifully and justifiably terrified of another horrific Trump so-called presidency. So much that they want his Democratic opponent to be "perfect" this time around, no risk of losing. All while your side's reliable benefactors in MSM, Bill Maher and so on are insisting that soooo many people think Joe is too old and won't vote for him.
So those voters really, really want that "perfect" Democratic candidate to run against Trump instead.
However, unless Joe does step aside for whatever reason, when it is time to vote next year all 81.2 Million of those voters are going to look at their ballot, see Trump's name on it, see Joe's name on it and Guess What?
Joe Biden will be the "generic"Democrat on that ballot."
Joe Biden lost in 2020 and will lose again, you know he knows it and so does everyone else espec those that rigged the swing states in 2020 in black precincts ie Milwaukee Detroit Atlanta Philadelphia Phoenix.
"However, unless Joe does step aside for whatever reason" However? LMAO.
Sounds like you are really praying for it LOL.
A perfect Democrat LMAO wow holy fuck you're hilarious.
Newsom? That turd destroying California? He isn't even popular there.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/dr-jeffrey-sachs-covid-19-democrats/2023/11/24/id/1143515/
Democratic Party AKA the CCP.
A bunch of scumbag shills for Xi.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/californias-newsom-surprise-meeting-beijing-chinas-xi-torched-climate-fearmongering
California aka CCP occupied territory.
"Remember this Mainstream Media favorite?
Biden Trails Trump In 5 Battleground States. But Odds Are Much Better For Another Democrat, Poll Says.
Nov. 5, 2023.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/11/05/biden-trails-trump-in-5-battleground-states-but-odds-are-much-better-for-another-democrat-poll-says/?sh=431cdc7e4b08
And all while Trump has been out there holding rallies and campaigning, saying a lot of really stupid things to rile up his stupid base like the crap you quoted from him, while Joe Biden has not. Yet. He has been busy with his day job.
Now, that "generic" thingy seems to be repeating itself in other polls as well.
The 81.2 Million voters who chose Biden over Trump's 74.2 Million, 7 Million more than Trump and enough to win a Trump-defined Electoral College "Landslide" victory, are beautifully and justifiably terrified of another horrific Trump so-called presidency. So much that they want his Democratic opponent to be "perfect" this time around, no risk of losing. All while your side's reliable benefactors in MSM, Bill Maher and so on are insisting that soooo many people think Joe is too old and won't vote for him.
So those voters really, really want that "perfect" Democratic candidate to run against Trump instead.
However, unless Joe does step aside for whatever reason, when it is time to vote next year all 81.2 Million of those voters are going to look at their ballot, see Trump's name on it, see Joe's name on it and Guess What?
Joe Biden will be the "generic"Democrat on that ballot."
Joe Biden lost in 2020 and will lose again, you know he knows it and so does everyone else espec those that rigged the swing states in 2020 in black precincts ie Milwaukee Detroit Atlanta Philadelphia Phoenix.
"However, unless Joe does step aside for whatever reason" However? LMAO.
Sounds like you are really praying for it LOL.
A perfect Democrat LMAO wow holy fuck you're hilarious.
Newsom? That turd destroying California? He isn't even popular there.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/dr-jeffrey-sachs-covid-19-democrats/2023/11/24/id/1143515/
Democratic Party AKA the CCP.
A bunch of scumbag shills for Xi.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/californias-newsom-surprise-meeting-beijing-chinas-xi-torched-climate-fearmongering
California aka CCP occupied territory.Yes, it's really bad when the people of a governor's own state don't even like him:
Ron DeSantis' Popularity Compared to Other Governors Is Abysmal.
Nov. 1, 2023
https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-popularity-rating-governors-1839827
Poll: Ron DeSantis among least popular Governors in America.
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/642242-poll-ron-desantis-among-least-popular-governors-in-america/
DeSantis popularity drops in Florida.
Nov. 17, 2023
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/florida-playbook/2023/11/17/florida-starts-turning-on-desantis-00127753
Hmm. So loony Dr. Sachs who worked for non Democrat Bernie Sanders claimed to be a "lifelong" Democrat until the evil Dems somehow forced typically pro Repub Mainstream Media to largely ignore that conspiracy theory that actually Trump's Pandemic virus was created and leaked from a USA lab.
On Trump's watch.
LOL. The mind reels at the complexities.
beloved Repub candidates so they can reliably deliver the terrifying headlines they crave and need in order to sell more of their product and get wealthier:
The study linked (see below) in this report captures it well. However, I would add that typically pro Repub Mainstream Media ought not to just cite the "policies" of each Party and candidate in an election run for a change but also cite the many times that Party and its similar policies produced and presided over Great Depressions, Great Recessions, Massive Job Losses, etc "results" and none of the Great Recoveries, Great Expansions, Historic Job Gains, etc "results" over the past, oh, 100 years or so.
Report Confirms Major Newspapers Threaten Democracy: All Horse Race, No Policy.
When historians set out to determine why Donald Trump happened, from initial campaign to attempted coup to authoritarianism-premised comeback, the role of this nation's press will be hard to overlook
https://crooksandliars.com/2023/11/report-confirms-major-media-threatens
When historians set out to determine why Donald Trump happened, from initial campaign to attempted coup to authoritarianism-premised comeback, the role of this nation's press will be hard to overlook. In a piece published for the Columbia Journalism Review, five researchers who examined The New York Times' campaign coverage leading up to the 2016 presidential election returned to similarly examine the 2022 race.
We did expect, or at least hope, that in the years that followed, the Times would conduct a critical review of its editorial policies. Was an overwhelming focus on the election as a sporting contest the best way to serve readers? Was obsessive attention to Clintons email server really justified in light of the innumerable personal, ethical, and ultimately criminal failings of Trump? It seemed that editors had a responsibility to rethink both the volume of attention paid to certain subjects as well as their framing.
As any New York Times or Washington Post reader could likely tell you, the new results are just as dismal. Political coverage at even the largest and most consequential newspapers consists almost exclusively of horse race reporting and campaign gossip. Actual issue and policy examinations were nearly nonexistent.
After the 2022 midterms, we checked back in, this time examining the printed front page of the Times and the Washington Post from September 1, 2022, through Election Day that November. As before, we figured the front page mattered disproportionately, in part because articles placed there represent selections that publishers believe are most important to readersand also because, according to Nielsen data we analyzed, 32 percent of Web-browsing sessions around that period starting at the Times homepage did not lead to other sections or articles; people often stick to what theyre shown first. We added the Post this time around for comparison, to get a sense of whether the Times really was anomalous.
It wasnt. We found that the Times and the Post shared significant overlap in their domestic politics coverage, offering little insight into policy. Both emphasized the horse race and campaign palace intrigue, stories that functioned more to entertain readers than to educate them on essential differences between political parties. The main point of contrast we found between the two papers was that, while the Post delved more into topics Democrats generally want to discussaffirmative action, police reform, LGBTQ rightsthe Times tended to focus on subjects important to RepublicansChina, immigration, and crime.
By the numbers, of four hundred and eight articles on the front page of the Times during the period we analyzed, about halftwo hundred nineteenwere about domestic politics. A generous interpretation found that just ten of those stories explained domestic public policy in any detail; only one front-page article in the lead-up to the midterms really leaned into discussion about a policy matter in Congress: Republican efforts to shrink Social Security. Of three hundred and ninety-three front-page articles in the Post, two hundred fifteen were about domestic politics; our research found only four stories that discussed any form of policy. The Post had no front-page stories in the months ahead of the midterms on policies that candidates aimed to bring to the fore or legislation they intended to pursue. Instead, articles speculated about candidates and discussed where voter bases were leaning. (All of the data and analysis supporting this piece can be found here.)
If one set out to design a national press that would be most conducive to undermining democracy, you could hardly do better. In focusing on horse race coverage, campaign speculation, and the superficials of each race, the actual policy differences between each candidate are brushed aside.
Even when the race features a conventional political figure paired against a coup-attempting alleged felon whose policy prescriptions call for the restructuring of government into a one-party, authoritarian-premised tool determined to bend the nation's laws in unprecedented waysas the 2024 presidential race will likely have itthe public cannot exercise its democratic rights if those differences are intentionally hidden from them. In ignoring the policy differences between each and every pairing of candidates, the nation's press is hiding the stakes of each election. It is hiding the most existential of policy debates in darkness, shining a light instead only on candidate sound bites, gaffes, and infighting.
In particular, the researchers call out the journalistic fiction of "objective" reporting. "What appears in a newspaper is less a reflection of what is happening in the world than what a news organization chooses to tell about what is happeningan indicator of values," they write. And they emphasize that the papers are not being inaccurate in their reporting, but that coverage is "misleading" nonetheless.
On any given day there are many accurate and arguably newsworthy stories that could appear on a front page. (In our study period, the overlap in front-page-story selection at the Times and the Post was only about a third.) Which topics editors choose to emphasize is neither accurate nor inaccurate; they simply reflect subjective opinions. Likewise, the way an article is written also involves a series of choiceswhich facts are highlighted, whose voices are included, which perspectives are given weight. Words such as objectivity and independenceeven truthmake for nice rhetoric but are so easily twisted to suit ones agenda as to be meaningless.
Democracy is premised on an electorate that knows what they are voting for and can make rational decisions about which of multiple approaches is best. Campaign coverage is flashy, but its valueless to voters. It emphasizes politics as sporting event. It may be pleasing to follow for interested partisans, but is worse than valueless for voters seeking to understand the sometimes-critical policy decisions they are expected to vote on. By emphasizing candidate claims and counterclaims and broadcasting potentially deceptive arguments as far and widely as truthful ones, the front pages do damage to democracy and readers both.
There has never been an American election in which the would-be beneficiary of an attempted coup came back, upon losing, to call for the indictment and imprisonment of his political foes, mass deportations and an end to birthright citizenship, and a purge of government to ensure only partisans loyal to himself can remain. It is a fascist manifestoand you would not know it from the front pages, whose editors find such dangers to be no more important than whether his opponent is old, or analyses of how voters in Iowa are reacting to various campaign pitches.
It is dreadfully dangerous. This is how democracies die.
And the free press, as those same editors should know perfectly well, cannot itself survive in a nation that has decided it is addicted to the flash of political upheaval but indifferent to its consequences.https://www.cjr.org/analysis/election-politics-front-pages.php
https://github.com/jennyw23/2022AgendaSetting
When historians set out to determine why Donald Trump happened, from initial campaign to attempted coup to authoritarianism-premised comeback, the role of this nation's press will be hard to overlook. In a piece published for the Columbia Journalism Review, five researchers who examined The New York Times' campaign coverage leading up to the 2016 presidential election returned to similarly examine the 2022 race....
https://www.cjr.org/analysis/election-politics-front-pages.php
OK, the New York Times and the Washington Post are both Pro Democrat on their editorial pages. But true, they don't necessarily spout non stop Democratic Party propaganda in their other sections. They're not like MSNBC.
The Columbia Review of Journalism however has shown real gumption, telling both sides from time to time, for example in this excellent four part series about the Press' witch hunt to tie Trump to Russian collusion in the 2016 campaign. People like Elvis and the Marquis may enjoy it. And you should read it. It might broaden your views.
https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-1.php
https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-2.php
https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-3.php
https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-4.php
(...kkkk!) That's a nice, wild and crazy working theory, you got going on, but despite your active imagination, there's not one thing that would suggest said dude, is a "leftie".
Let me put it to you, like Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) on Nov, 13th, 2023, when trying his damndest, to find anything meaningful his woeful Republican party had done:
Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) - "One thing...I want my Republican colleagues to give me, one thing...one, that I can go campaign on and said we did?", "One?...anyone sitting in the complex wanna come down to the floor and explain to me, one material, meaningful and significant thing... the Republican majority have done, besides...well I guess it's not as bad as the Democrats?"
{...Muffled silent chuckles abound from Democrats and some Republicans...}
Much like poor old, Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX), all arguments in the article, suggest right-wing Incel/QAnon/MAGA Republican, traits of ineptitude.The Republican House has done a great job in 2023. Remember the negotiations to raise the national debt ceiling back in May. The House Republicans managed to claw back $1.5 trillion over 10 years from the $5 trillion+ in spending legislated by Biden and Democrats in 2021 and 2022. Chip Roy's problem is that he believes they should have clawed back more. Fair enough, but $1.5 trillion is quite an accomplishment considering Democrats control the Senate and the Presidency.
I was watching CNBC last week, and Jared Bernstein, the chairman of President Biden's Council of Economic Advisors was expounding on the accomplishments of the President. Chief among them was saving $1 trillion through passage of the Fiscal Responsibility Act of 2023! This is the money that the Republicans clawed back! In other words, Biden's economic advisor is taking credit for something that got passed only because Republicans threatened not to increase the debt limit. Democrats were shouting Armageddon and now they're taking credit for the legislation! Unbelievable!
Anyway, Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama might have been crappy ass presidents, if Republicans hadn't controlled the House during their second terms, and played a similar role to House Republicans this year. Instead, Clinton will go down in history as a very good president, having balanced the budget, passed welfare reform, promoted free trade, and cut the capital gains tax, all thanks to Republicans. Maybe House Republicans will also help President Biden preserve his legacy, after two years of crappy ass results with one party rule.
You said it yourself, he's "a fucking psychopath". If that's true, with such traits and behavior, that would put said dude, as far psychopaths Incels, go...more so, squarely in the camp of the right-wing QAnon/MAGA Republican conservatism.
DARK SIDE OF CONSERVATISM - Republicans have more psychopathic traits than Democrats, according to a psychology survey
https://qz.com/1462622/republicans-have-more-psychopathic-traits-than-democrats-according-to-a-psychology-survey
https://www.psypost.org/2018/11/study-suggests-psychopathic-traits-are-higher-in-republicans-than-in-democrats-52566
Yes indeed, QAnon/MAGA Repubs own "crazy", not to mention, have a lock-on "scary crazy"!!!
If I not mistaken, these days, it's a MUST have requirement, when running for the Repubs! (...kkkk!)The main stream media can't say Blacks or Whites or Jews or Muslims are psychopaths. And heaven forbid that they'd call Democrats psychopaths. But it's fine to call Republicans psychopaths.
The articles quote a study that came out of that great bastion of higher learning, the University of Southern Mississippi. They conclude that "Republicans surveyed had a small but statistically significant higher level of psychopathic traits than Democrats. ".
Well, the problem is that they only surveyed 164 Democrats, 85 Republicans and 55 independents. Notice how closely that correlates with the make up of the American electorate. And actually they didn't conduct the survey but rather outsourced it to Amazon's Mechanical Turk crowdsourcing consultancy. Gallup they ain't.
Now, "about 1.2% of USA Adult men and 0.3% to 0.7% of USA Adult women are considered to have clinically significant levels of psychopathic traits. " See.
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2022/03/ce-corner-psychopathy#text=About%201.2%25%20 of%20 USA %20 adult,10%2 C%202020).
So among this sample of 304 people, being 157 females and 147 males, you'd expect to have 2 or 3 people who have clinically significant levels of psychopathic traits. How statistically significant is that? And somehow this study shows that Republicans have a "small but statistically significant higher level of psychopathic traits" than Democrats. I'm calling bull shit on this study, or rather the press' description of it.
(...kkkk!) That's a nice, wild and crazy working theory, you got going on, but despite your active imagination, there's not one thing that would suggest said dude, is a "leftie".
Let me put it to you, like Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) on Nov, 13th, 2023, when trying his damndest, to find anything meaningful his woeful Republican party had done:
Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) - "One thing...I want my Republican colleagues to give me, one thing...one, that I can go campaign on and said we did?", "One?...anyone sitting in the complex wanna come down to the floor and explain to me, one material, meaningful and significant thing... the Republican majority have done, besides...well I guess it's not as bad as the Democrats?"
{...Muffled silent chuckles abound from Democrats and some Republicans...}
Much like poor old, Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX), all arguments in the article, suggest right-wing Incel/QAnon/MAGA Republican, traits of ineptitude.
You said it yourself, he's "a fucking psychopath". If that's true, with such traits and behavior, that would put said dude, as far psychopaths Incels, go...more so, squarely in the camp of the right-wing QAnon/MAGA Republican conservatism.
DARK SIDE OF CONSERVATISM - Republicans have more psychopathic traits than Democrats, according to a psychology survey
https://qz.com/1462622/republicans-have-more-psychopathic-traits-than-democrats-according-to-a-psychology-survey
https://www.psypost.org/2018/11/study-suggests-psychopathic-traits-are-higher-in-republicans-than-in-democrats-52566
Yes indeed, QAnon/MAGA Repubs own "crazy", not to mention, have a lock-on "scary crazy"!!!
If I not mistaken, these days, it's a MUST have requirement, when running for the Repubs! (...kkkk!)Repub Chip Roy could just have well asked what Repubs have EVER done of significance for America when they controlled the Presidency, the House and the Senate, not just the Repub Pink Tinkle House over the past few months, and gotten the same utter silence I get here when I ask a similar question of anyone.
They momentarily buckled on their usual overriding Repub Party plan to destroy the economy and wipe out millions of jobs by "keeping the government open"? They pulled back on the Biden / Dem proposals that are always higher than they expect they can get as a matter of ordinary intelligent negotiation technique and thereby left it as only a 50-50 shot at America experiencing a soft landing vs a Great Recession in the wake of Trump's Great Repub Economic Disaster rather than a near 100% certainty? LOL. So impressive. Give them a trophy for that. Oh, then they shit-canned the Repub Squeaker of the Repub Pink Tinkle House for ruining their usual overriding Repub Party plan (see above) and replaced him with ChristoFacist Mike who is searching for every conceivable way to get back on track with that usual overriding Repub Party plan. Lolol.
Or, as typically pro Repub MSM would spin it, "handling the economy better than Democrats". Lolol.
OK, the New York Times and the Washington Post are both Pro Democrat on their editorial pages. But true, they don't necessarily spout non stop Democratic Party propaganda in their other sections. They're not like MSNBC.
The Columbia Review of Journalism however has shown real gumption, telling both sides from time to time, for example in this excellent four part series about the Press' witch hunt to tie Trump to Russian collusion in the 2016 campaign. People like Elvis and the Marquis may enjoy it. And you should read it. It might broaden your views.
https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-1.php
https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-2.php
https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-3.php
https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-4.phpYour links are not to studies of anything related to frequency of pro Repub (or Dem) spin in MSM headlines and front page of coverage. Or refuting it.
They are to a long opinion piece based on anecdotal interview responses in an apparent desperate attempt to prove that lifelong Repub Mueller did not find indictable evidence of something he explained from the very beginning that he was not looking for and was not illegal anyway; Team Trump's extraordinarily intense and deep "collusion" with Russia in the 2016 election campaign.
MarquisdeSade1
11-27-23, 07:20
Yes, it's really bad when the people of a governor's own state don't even like him:
Ron DeSantis' Popularity Compared to Other Governors Is Abysmal.
Nov. 1, 2023.
https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-popularity-rating-governors-1839827
Poll: Ron DeSantis among least popular Governors in America.
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/642242-poll-ron-desantis-among-least-popular-governors-in-america/
DeSantis popularity drops in Florida.
Nov. 17,2023.
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/florida-playbook/2023/11/17/florida-starts-turning-on-desantis-00127753
Hmm. So loony Dr. Sachs who worked for non Democrat Bernie Sanders claimed to be a "lifelong" Democrat until the evil Dems somehow forced typically pro Repub Mainstream Media to largely ignore that conspiracy theory that actually Trump's Pandemic virus was created and leaked from a USA lab.
On Trump's watch.
LOL. The mind reels at the complexities."
Yes dirtbag is going down and thankfully he won't be the nominee.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2023-11-07/new-poll-finds-california-voters-disapprove-newsom-performance-governor
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2023/11/26/thanks-newsom-gangster-shot-teen-girls-works-state-public-safety-after-being-freed-150-years-early/
I can see all the TV ads now lololol anyone remember Willie Horton, I'm sure Michael Dukakis does LMAO and many tens of millions more.
The king of whataboutism strikes again
Yes, it's really bad when the people of a governor's own state don't even like him:
Ron DeSantis' Popularity Compared to Other Governors Is Abysmal.
Nov. 1, 2023.
https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-popularity-rating-governors-1839827
Poll: Ron DeSantis among least popular Governors in America.
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/642242-poll-ron-desantis-among-least-popular-governors-in-america/
DeSantis popularity drops in Florida.
Nov. 17,2023.
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/florida-playbook/2023/11/17/florida-starts-turning-on-desantis-00127753
Hmm. So loony Dr. Sachs who worked for non Democrat Bernie Sanders claimed to be a "lifelong" Democrat until the evil Dems somehow forced typically pro Repub Mainstream Media to largely ignore that conspiracy theory that actually Trump's Pandemic virus was created and leaked from a USA lab.
On Trump's watch.
LOL. The mind reels at the complexities."
Yes dirtbag is going down and thankfully he won't be the nominee.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2023-11-07/new-poll-finds-california-voters-disapprove-newsom-performance-governor
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2023/11/26/thanks-newsom-gangster-shot-teen-girls-works-state-public-safety-after-being-freed-150-years-early/
I can see all the TV ads now lololol anyone remember Willie Horton, I'm sure Michael Dukakis does LMAO and many tens of millions more.You mean like Whatabout Gavin Newsom? And Whatabout Trump's Big Lie? And Whatabout California? LOL.
You seem to be in a desperate search for a "king. ".
We have one here in Thailand.
Envious much?
MarquisdeSade1
11-27-23, 20:28
https://www.newsmax.com/larrybell/joe-biden/2023/11/27/id/1143743/
Yes, it's really bad when the people of a governor's own state don't even like him:51% approval rating with a nice chunk on the fence isn't bad for Florida. Though the state is trending Republican it is still considered a swing state. There's a ton of Dems here. Comparing Ron's ratings to governors in ruby red and heavily democratic states is an invalid comparison that creates a non-sequitur.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non%20sequitur
Plus he's no threat as Trump is going to be the nominee. You, Breitbart, and Info Wars can relax.
MarquisdeSade1
11-27-23, 22:52
"Yes, it's really bad when the people of a governor's own state don't even like him:
Ron DeSantis' Popularity Compared to Other Governors Is Abysmal.
Nov. 1, 2023.
https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-popularity-rating-governors-1839827
Poll: Ron DeSantis among least popular Governors in America.
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/642242-poll-ron-desantis-among-least-popular-governors-in-america/
DeSantis popularity drops in Florida.
Nov. 17,2023.
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/florida-playbook/2023/11/17/florida-starts-turning-on-desantis-00127753
Hmm. So loony Dr. Sachs who worked for non Democrat Bernie Sanders claimed to be a "lifelong" Democrat until the evil Dems somehow forced typically pro Repub Mainstream Media to largely ignore that conspiracy theory that actually Trump's Pandemic virus was created and leaked from a USA lab.
On Trump's watch.
The mind reels at the complexities. ".
Yes dirtbag is going down and thankfully he won't be the nominee.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2023-11-07/new-poll-finds-california-voters-disapprove-newsom-performance-governor
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2023/11/26/thanks-newsom-gangster-shot-teen-girls-works-state-public-safety-after-being-freed-150-years-early/
I can see all the TV ads now lololol anyone remember Willie Horton, I'm sure Michael Dukakis does LMAO and many tens of millions more. ".
You can't handle nuance, so I understand complexities might confound you.
Thats why you see things so binary, GOP bad DNC good.
I can't imagine being so blind, wake up you're too old to be so ignorant.
And I would say the same thing to those anti American never Trump faux Gopers that would rather send all American jobs to CCPland.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4327061-romney-democrat-upgrade-over-trump-in-2024/#text=Senate-,Romney%20 says%20 any%20 Democrat%20 would%20 be, upgrade'%20 over%20 Trump%20 in%202024&text=Sen. %20 Mitt%20 Romney%20 (R%2 D,term%20 for%20 former%20 President%20 Trump.
Fake GOPers like Romney that started Romney care that led to Obamacare.
Just a bunch of whoors / shills for the CCP.
MarquisdeSade1
11-28-23, 01:53
https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1729272962627379219
Thanks a million Dirtbag Joe, I mean 10 million more illegals flooding in.
The Great Replacement is the Wall St / WEF crowd goal.
How MSM sucker their Useful Idiot WingerPuppets into voting for their beloved Repub candidates so they can reliably deliver the terrifying headlines they crave and need in order to sell more of their product and get wealthier: ...
...But also cite the many times that Party and its similar policies produced and presided over Great Depressions, Great Recessions, Massive Job Losses, etc "results" and none of the Great Recoveries, Great Expansions, Historic Job Gains, etc "results" over the past, oh, 100 years or so.
Crocks and Liars: Report Confirms Major Newspapers Threaten Democracy: All Horse Race, No Policy.
When historians set out to determine why Donald Trump happened, from initial campaign to attempted coup to authoritarianism-premised comeback, the role of this nation's press will be hard to overlook ...
https://crooksandliars.com/2023/11/report-confirms-major-media-threatensPretty good read!
It's certainly an interesting development, though? Meaning, that MSM and the 4th estate, are certainly having a tough go at sustainability right now and dealing with a very real existential crisis of their own, while constantly coming under fire from Trump and ultra-far right.
So in the wake of Trump's constant loathing of the press, with threats to extinguish them, democracy and his enemies like "vermin", I'm not sure how they think they'll be omitted from said media carnage and blood bath. It certainly doesn't behoove them to promote their false equivalencies, bothsiderism and weak coverage of the real issues that Americans are concerned about.
Especially, in light of the success of the voting in the 2023 Election and Primaries, around the country, Americans are telling you want IS REALLY important to them.
Anyways, I'm not sure they're doing themselves any favors, literally writing themselves into oblivion, as democracy and their very existence, hangs in the balance, to a wannabe dictator, tyrant and fascist authoritarian, who will redefine news media, into some post apocalyptic nightmare from the Stone Ages, if elected.
51% approval rating with a nice chunk on the fence isn't bad for Florida. Though the state is trending Republican it is still considered a swing state. There's a ton of Dems here. Comparing Ron's ratings to governors in ruby red and heavily democratic states is an invalid comparison that creates a non-sequitur.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/non%20sequitur
Plus he's no threat as Trump is going to be the nominee. You, Breitbart, and Info Wars can relax.MDS1 said:
"However, unless Joe does step aside for whatever reason" However? LMAO.
Sounds like you are really praying for it LOL.
A perfect Democrat LMAO wow holy fuck you're hilarious.
Newsom? That turd destroying California. He isn't even popular there.No, that was not a non sequitur.
Actually, my response for who could or would replace a major Party frontrunner should that frontrunner drop out and their relative popularity was quite pertinent and logical to MDS1's apparent point:
1. MDS1 said nothing about the governor not being popular with particular Party affiliations, such as Dems, Repubs, Repubs pretending to be Independents and so on. Just "popular", as in among the people of his state. Therefore, the Party affiliation or demographics are irrelevant to his and my point.
2. Only one (1) sitting governor of a state has declared himself as a candidate for president; the governor of Florida. The governor of California has not.
3. Therefore, my citing the governor of Florida's tanking poll numbers in his own state (as well as in the Repub nomination race) is arguably more pertinent and logical to MDS1's apparent point regarding who could or would take over if the frontrunner drops out AND the questionable popularity of such a replacement if he were also a governor than his trotting out someone who isn't even a declared candidate.
See? Not a non sequitur.
Now, if I had responded to MDS1 trotting out the governor of California to make his apparent point with, say, "Oral sex is illegal in Florida", which it is, that would have been a non sequitur. Even though true.
Interesting that after Ultra Winger MDS1 has habitually quoted entire posts (badly) and responded to them with links to godknowswhat that aren't even related to the same Universe as the post topic he is responding to that you would cherry pick this one exchange to jump in to point out what you think, incorrectly, is a non sequitur.
LOL. Perfect.
MarquisdeSade1
11-28-23, 17:28
"Yes, it's really bad when the people of a governor's own state don't even like him:
Ron DeSantis' Popularity Compared to Other Governors Is Abysmal.
Nov. 1, 2023.
Poll: Ron DeSantis among least popular Governors in America.
DeSantis popularity drops in Florida.
Nov. 17,2023.
Hmm. So loony Dr. Sachs who worked for non Democrat Bernie Sanders claimed to be a "lifelong" Democrat until the evil Dems somehow forced typically pro Repub Mainstream Media to largely ignore that conspiracy theory that actually Trump's Pandemic virus was created and leaked from a USA lab.
On Trump's watch.
The mind reels at the complexities. "
Yes dirtbag is going down and thankfully he won't be the nominee.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2023-11-07/new-poll-finds-california-voters-disapprove-newsom-performance-governor
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2023/11/26/thanks-newsom-gangster-shot-teen-girls-works-state-public-safety-after-being-freed-150-years-early/
I can see all the TV ads now lololol anyone remember Willie Horton, I'm sure Michael Dukakis does LMAO and many tens of millions more. "
You can't handle nuance, so I understand complexities might confound you.
Thats why you see things so binary, GOP bad DNC good.
I can't imagine being so blind, wake up you're too old to be so ignorant.
And I would say the same thing to those anti American never Trump faux Gopers that would rather send all American jobs to CCPland.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4327061-romney-democrat-upgrade-over-trump-in-2024/#text=Senate-,Romney%20 says%20 any%20 Democrat%20 would%20 be, upgrade'%20 over%20 Trump%20 in%202024&text=Sen. %20 Mitt%20 Romney%20 (R%2 the, term%20 for%20 former%20 President%20 Trump.
Fake GOPers like Romney that started Romney care that led to Obamacare.
Just a bunch of whoors / shills for the CCP. "
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/11/27/utah-senate-gop-candidate-trent-staggs-blasts-romney-backing-biden-trump/
"Yes, it's really bad when the people of a governor's own state don't even like him:
Ron DeSantis' Popularity Compared to Other Governors Is Abysmal.
Nov. 1, 2023.
Poll: Ron DeSantis among least popular Governors in America.
DeSantis popularity drops in Florida.
Nov. 17,2023.
Hmm. So loony Dr. Sachs who worked for non Democrat Bernie Sanders claimed to be a "lifelong" Democrat until the evil Dems somehow forced typically pro Repub Mainstream Media to largely ignore that conspiracy theory that actually Trump's Pandemic virus was created and leaked from a USA lab.Republicans Have a Money Problem.
Nov. 27, 2023
https://www.newsweek.com/republicans-have-money-problem-1847357
According to filings with the Federal Election Commission (FEC), the Republican Party had about $9.1 million in cash on hand as of October 31the lowest amount for the committee in any commission report since February 2015, read the report.
Democrats are holding onto almost double the amount of cash as Republicans. The Democratic National Committee reported that it had roughly $17.7 million at the end of October, according to the FEC.
.....
Sources who spoke with the Post said that both large- and small-scale GOP donors have cut back on funding the party in recent years for myriad reasons. Some said their reluctance to donate stems from RNC funding also being used to aid the reelection bid of former President Donald Trump, who substantially leads the GOP's primary race in preliminary polls. Others told the outlet that donors are frustrated with the leadership of McDaniel, who has faced increased pressure from members of her party
as Republicans continue to get smacked by disappointing election outcomes.Or, as Bill Maher spins it, "Why Trump keeps WINNING"! Lolol.
Donald Trump, the GOP's Golden Goose of dumb Repub hillbilly entitlement checks donation Golden GOP Eggs needs to ramp up his whinng, crying and Poor Me pitch with those dumb Repub hillbillies so they can keep those essential Willie Horton-type GOP ads running for the next 11 months.
Typically pro Repub MSM "Bothsiders" and Bill Maher can only do so much to help their beloved Disaster Headlines-generating Repubs win elections. Gots to have that dumb Repub hillbilly entitlement checks money, too.
Have you done your part?
MarquisdeSade1
11-28-23, 22:56
I am your warrior. I am your justice. And for those who have been wronged and betrayed, I am your retribution.
King Trump.
March 2023.
His return from exile is more significant then the second coming of Christ, even to evangelicals (as a matter of fact espec to evangelicals).
Interesting that after Ultra Winger MDS1 has habitually quoted entire posts (badly) and responded to them with links to godknowswhat that aren't even related to the same Universe as the post topic he is responding to that you would cherry pick this one exchange to jump in to point out what you think, incorrectly, is a non sequitur.
LOL. Perfect.Newsflash Tooms you aren't important enough to cherry pick. Since the summer I've been an infrequent visitor here. Your posts are usually so wordy and hyper partisan that I skip over them entirely or may scan them. Yea I thought I was quoting Sade, who I also usually don't read or just scan over. The approval poll numbers for Ron are pretty good for Florida given that we are a swing state. Comparing him to governors in friendlier environments drums up a host of logical fallacies, non-sequitur, cherry picking, bad analogy, and you just added one with the Chicken Little "tanking" characterization. Perfect. LOL You get the last word. I'm sorry to see that retirement in Thailand continues to be so boring.
MarquisdeSade1
11-29-23, 00:57
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2023/11/28/sheriff-pentagon-official-who-oversaw-military-schools-arrested-georgia-human-trafficking-operation/
"traffic" what are bullshit word.
WUT IN the FUK IS.
Subtle psychological coercion?
The coercion can be subtle or overt, physical or psychological.
MarquisdeSade1
11-29-23, 04:22
"The Republican House has done a great job in 2023. Remember the negotiations to raise the national debt ceiling back in May. The House Republicans managed to claw back $1. 5 trillion over 10 years from the $5 trillion+ in spending legislated by Biden and Democrats in 2021 and 2022. Chip Roy's problem is that he believes they should have clawed back more. Fair enough, but $1. 5 trillion is quite an accomplishment considering Democrats control the Senate and the Presidency.
I was watching CNBC last week, and Jared Bernstein, the chairman of President Biden's Council of Economic Advisors was expounding on the accomplishments of the President. Chief among them was saving $1 trillion through passage of the Fiscal Responsibility Act of 2023! This is the money that the Republicans clawed back! In other words, Biden's economic advisor is taking credit for something that got passed only because Republicans threatened not to increase the debt limit. Democrats were shouting Armageddon and now they're taking credit for the legislation! Unbelievable!
Anyway, Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama might have been crappy ass presidents, if Republicans hadn't controlled the House during their second terms, and played a similar role to House Republicans this year. Instead, Clinton will go down in history as a very good president, having balanced the budget, passed welfare reform, promoted free trade, and cut the capital gains tax, all thanks to Republicans. Maybe House Republicans will also help President Biden preserve his legacy, after two years of crappy ass results with one party rule.
The main stream media can't say Blacks or Whites or Jews or Muslims are psychopaths. And heaven forbid that they'd call Democrats psychopaths. But it's fine to call Republicans psychopaths.
The articles quote a study that came out of that great bastion of higher learning, the University of Southern Mississippi. They conclude that "Republicans surveyed had a small but statistically significant higher level of psychopathic traits than Democrats. ".
Well, the problem is that they only surveyed 164 Democrats, 85 Republicans and 55 independents. Notice how closely that correlates with the make up of the American electorate. And actually they didn't conduct the survey but rather outsourced it to Amazon's Mechanical Turk crowdsourcing consultancy. Gallup they ain't.
Now, "about 1. 2% of USA Adult men and 0. 3% to 0. 7% of USA Adult women are considered to have clinically significant levels of psychopathic traits. " See.
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2022/03/ce-corner-psychopathy#text=About%201.2%25%20 of%20 USA %20 adult,10%2 see%202020).
So among this sample of 304 people, being 157 females and 147 males, you'd expect to have 2 or 3 people who have clinically significant levels of psychopathic traits. How statistically significant is that? And somehow this study shows that Republicans have a "small but statistically significant higher level of psychopathic traits" than Democrats. I'm calling bull shit on this study, or rather the press' description of it. ".
The article may be correct at least in your case? "free trade" made Bubba a great president?
If you think promoting evil in this country makes a president great, well I believe that qualifies you as a full blown psychopath ala Mitt the Turd.
I'm guessing you would just say fuck "free trade" now that globalism is dying and just bring back good old fashioned slavery its more "cost efficient".
Isn't that why Dirtbag Joe is letting in millions of illegals, a fresh slave supply now that CCPland was cut off by King Trump.
Anyone that promotes "free trade"as a good thing, is pure EVIL and shall burn in HELL for it.
in his own state, major Repub money donors, the Kock Brothers, are throwing it to Nikki Haley.
I guess they aren't buying those over-sampled Repubs and Repubs Pretending To Be Independents poll numbers for Trump, after all.
Koch network endorses Nikki Haley in GOP primary.
Nov. 28, 2023
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/11/28/koch-brothers-endorse-nikki-haley-gop-primary/71727372007/
Those Repub Kock Brothers really have their work cut out for them. Yes, Haley trying to pawn herself off as merely a pro Repub "Bothsider" rather than a rabid Repub loon by taking all sides of every issue makes it easy for them to run ads of her taking the Dem side on issues in blue states and the Repub side of the same issues in red states.
However, there is that inconvenient historical fact that every true Repub will never forget or forgive her for; as Governor of South Carolina she removed their most cherished pro slavery racist symbol from her State House. And bragged about it!
They'll need to show ads of her giggling and personally pulling the lever on Old Sparky with a Willie Horton stand-in sitting strapped to it over and over again in red states to even hope to get past that one with the vast majority of Repub voters.
Cue the deflection non sequitur from some Winger rushing in with "Whatabout Newsom"? Or somebody else who isn't even a declared candidate or a Repub. LOL.
Newsflash Tooms you aren't important enough to cherry pick. Since the summer I've been an infrequent visitor here. Your posts are usually so wordy and hyper partisan that I skip over them entirely or may scan them. Yea I thought I was quoting Sade, who I also usually don't read or just scan over. The approval poll numbers for Ron are pretty good for Florida given that we are a swing state. Comparing him to governors in friendlier environments drums up a host of logical fallacies, non-sequitur, cherry picking, bad analogy, and you just added one with the Chicken Little "tanking" characterization. Perfect. LOL You get the last word. I'm sorry to see that retirement in Thailand continues to be so boring.7 hours of good sleep every night, 1 hour to exercise, shit, piss, shave and shower. That's only 8 hours out of every 24.
It doesn't take me more than 20 minutes per day to post anything that comes to mind on this entire website. It's very, very easy. After all, I have the facts on my side.
That leaves plenty of time to explore, recreate, eat food, eat pussy, fuck, get blown and have other adventures every day. Even while traveling.
You should try it sometime.
The countdown begins for when Trump calls this guy a liar, traitor, Deep State, RINO, "I don't know him. Never heard of him".
10,9, 8, 7, etc.
Or has he already made that announcement?
Former Trump advisor says the U.S. economy is 'back to normal', but markets may be jumping the gun on rate hikes.
Nov. 29, 2023
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/29/former-trump-advisor-says-the-us-economy-is-back-to-normal-.html?__source=androidappshare
Cohn who was chief economic advisor to former U.S. President Donald Trump from 2017 to 2018 does not see the Fed cutting interest rates until the second half of 2024.
Drawing on 100-year average data, Cohn said the U.S. economy is back to a normal, but we all forgot what normal is.
.....
"We havent seen normal for over two decades. We went through a decade plus of zero interest rates, we went through a decade of quantitative easing, zero interest rates and the Fed trying to see if they could create inflation," he said.
"Weve gone from the Fed not being able to create inflation we now know the answer, the Fed cant create inflation, but the market can to us trying to unwind a shorter term inflationary shock. Were back into a normal world."
He noted that the 100-year average for 10-year U.S. Treasury yields is around 4.5%, and that the 10-year yield has moderated from the 16-year high of 5% logged in October to around 4.3% as of Wednesday morning. Meanwhile, inflation is running back towards the mean of between 2% and 2.5%.
"So every piece of economic data, if you look, is sort of heading back towards its very long term average. If you look at these over 100-year generational cycles, we seem to be running into that phase right now," Cohn added.Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck and the Dems for shouldering all the heavy lifting and assuming all the political risk to produce this historic recovery from another historic Great Repub Economic Disaster.
Again. As usual.
MarquisdeSade1
11-29-23, 18:48
Word on the street is that this dood is a MAGA hating Libertarian.
https://www.aol.com/news/british-inquiry-finds-serious-failings-165839084.html
MarquisdeSade1
11-29-23, 22:01
"The Republican House has done a great job in 2023. Remember the negotiations to raise the national debt ceiling back in May. The House Republicans managed to claw back $1. 5 trillion over 10 years from the $5 trillion+ in spending legislated by Biden and Democrats in 2021 and 2022. Chip Roy's problem is that he believes they should have clawed back more. Fair enough, but $1. 5 trillion is quite an accomplishment considering Democrats control the Senate and the Presidency.
I was watching CNBC last week, and Jared Bernstein, the chairman of President Biden's Council of Economic Advisors was expounding on the accomplishments of the President. Chief among them was saving $1 trillion through passage of the Fiscal Responsibility Act of 2023! This is the money that the Republicans clawed back! In other words, Biden's economic advisor is taking credit for something that got passed only because Republicans threatened not to increase the debt limit. Democrats were shouting Armageddon and now they're taking credit for the legislation! Unbelievable!
Anyway, Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama might have been crappy ass presidents, if Republicans hadn't controlled the House during their second terms, and played a similar role to House Republicans this year. Instead, Clinton will go down in history as a very good president, having balanced the budget, passed welfare reform, promoted free trade, and cut the capital gains tax, all thanks to Republicans. Maybe House Republicans will also help President Biden preserve his legacy, after two years of crappy ass results with one party rule.
The main stream media can't say Blacks or Whites or Jews or Muslims are psychopaths. And heaven forbid that they'd call Democrats psychopaths. But it's fine to call Republicans psychopaths.
The articles quote a study that came out of that great bastion of higher learning, the University of Southern Mississippi. They conclude that "Republicans surveyed had a small but statistically significant higher level of psychopathic traits than Democrats. ".
Well, the problem is that they only surveyed 164 Democrats, 85 Republicans and 55 independents. Notice how closely that correlates with the make up of the American electorate. And actually they didn't conduct the survey but rather outsourced it to Amazon's Mechanical Turk crowdsourcing consultancy. Gallup they ain't.
Now, "about 1. 2% of USA Adult men and 0. 3% to 0. 7% of USA Adult women are considered to have clinically significant levels of psychopathic traits. " See.
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2022/03/ce-corner-psychopathy#text=About%201.2%25%20 of%20 USA %20 adult,10%2 C%202020).
So among this sample of 304 people, being 157 females and 147 males, you'd expect to have 2 or 3 people who have clinically significant levels of psychopathic traits. How statistically significant is that? And somehow this study shows that Republicans have a "small but statistically significant higher level of psychopathic traits" than Democrats. I'm calling bull shit on this study, or rather the press' description of it. ".
Aka neofeudalism neoslavery = GLOBAL HUNGER GAMES for all.
https://www.unz.com/mhudson/how-finance-capitalism-ruined-the-world/
MarquisdeSade1
11-30-23, 01:48
In his own state, major Repub money donors, the Kock Brothers, are throwing it to Nikki Haley.
I guess they aren't buying those over-sampled Repubs and Repubs Pretending To Be Independents poll numbers for Trump, after all.
Koch network endorses Nikki Haley in GOP primary.
Nov. 28, 2023.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/11/28/koch-brothers-endorse-nikki-haley-gop-primary/71727372007/
Those Repub Kock Brothers really have their work cut out for them. Yes, Haley trying to pawn herself off as merely a pro Repub "Bothsider" rather than a rabid Repub loon by taking all sides of every issue makes it easy for them to run ads of her taking the Dem side on issues in blue states and the Repub side of the same issues in red states.
However, there is that inconvenient historical fact that every true Repub will never forget or forgive her for; as Governor of South Carolina she removed their most cherished pro slavery racist symbol from her State House. And bragged about it!
They'll need to show ads of her giggling and personally pulling the lever on Old Sparky with a Willie Horton stand-in sitting strapped to it over and over again in red states to even hope to get past that one with the vast majority of Repub voters.
Cue the deflection non sequitur from some Winger rushing in with "Whatabout Newsom"? Or somebody else who isn't even a declared candidate or a Repub. LOL."
There are no more Koch Bros, David died a few yrs back leaving us just with the sooper TURD Chas Kock.
A true shit stain on humanity!!
MarquisdeSade1
11-30-23, 01:57
"In his own state, major Repub money donors, the Kock Brothers, are throwing it to Nikki Haley.
I guess they aren't buying those over-sampled Repubs and Repubs Pretending To Be Independents poll numbers for Trump, after all.
Koch network endorses Nikki Haley in GOP primary.
Nov. 28,2023.
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Those Repub Kock Brothers really have their work cut out for them. Yes, Haley trying to pawn herself off as merely a pro Repub "Bothsider" rather than a rabid Repub loon by taking all sides of every issue makes it easy for them to run ads of her taking the Dem side on issues in blue states and the Repub side of the same issues in red states.
However, there is that inconvenient historical fact that every true Repub will never forget or forgive her for; as Governor of South Carolina she removed their most cherished pro slavery racist symbol from her State House. And bragged about it!
They'll need to show ads of her giggling and personally pulling the lever on Old Sparky with a Willie Horton stand-in sitting strapped to it over and over again in red states to even hope to get past that one with the vast majority of Repub voters.
Cue the deflection non sequitur from some Winger rushing in with "Whatabout Newsom"? Or somebody else who isn't even a declared candidate or a Repub. LOL."
They'll need to show ads of her giggling and personally pulling the lever on Old Sparky with a Willie Horton stand-in sitting strapped to it over and over again in red states.
Like when Bubba rushed back to hillbilly land to sign the death warrant for a mentally ill prisoner in 1992 whilst he was on the campaign trail.
If you think promoting evil in this country makes a president great, well I believe that qualifies you as a full blown psychopath ala Mitt the Turd.
I'm guessing you would just say fuck "free trade" now that globalism is dying and just bring back good old fashioned slavery its more "cost efficient".
Word on the street is that this dood is a MAGA hating Libertarian.
https://www.aol.com/news/british-inquiry-finds-serious-failings-165839084.html
Newsflash Tooms you aren't important enough to cherry pick....I'm sorry to see that retirement in Thailand continues to be so boring.
Unless you are a guy glued to his computer chair in a hooker forum posturing as a Libertarian night and day... https://neurosciencenews.com/drk-triad-trolling-18825/
The Repub concepts of "Russsiagate", "Collusion" and "Hoax" sure are flexible and come in handy for Trump and his Repub and Pro Repub Bothsider / Neithersider Cult Followers whenever they need them, aren't they?
Oh, the Complexities, Complexities, Complexities persist. So let's make it as simple as 1, 2, 3:
1. Trump publicly sides with Putin on election interference.
July 16, 2018.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/16/trump-russia-putin-summit-722418
President Donald Trump on Monday publicly sided with Russian President Vladimir Putin over his own intelligence agencies, refusing to condemn the Kremlin for interference in the 2016 election and saying that I dont see any reason why Russia would have hacked Democratic computer servers.
Trumps remarkable statements, during a joint news conference in Helsinki, Finland, after holding a two-hour one-on-one meeting with Putin, came after special counsel Robert Mueller indicted 12 Russians on Friday over allegations of involvement in the state-ordered election-interference operation.2. (REPUB-Controlled) Senate panel finds Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. election.
Aug. 18, 2020.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/senate-panel-finds-russia-interfered-in-the-2016-us-election
WASHINGTON (AP) The Trump campaigns interactions with Russian intelligence services during the 2016 presidential election posed a grave counterintelligence threat, a Senate panel concluded Tuesday as it detailed how associates of Donald Trump had regular contact with Russians and expected to benefit from the Kremlins help.
The nearly 1,000-page report, the fifth and final one from the Republican-led Senate intelligence committee on the Russia investigation, details how Russia launched an aggressive effort to interfere in the election on Trumps behalf. It says the Trump campaign chairman had regular contact with a Russian intelligence officer and says other Trump associates were eager to exploit the Kremlins aid, particularly by maximizing the impact of the disclosure of Democratic emails hacked by Russian intelligence officers.3. Trump lawyers cite Russian interference he decried as a "hoax" as defense in D.C. criminal case.
Trump repeatedly rejected claims Russian interference in 2016. Now his attorneys are citing it in court filing.
Nov. 29, 2023.
https://www.salon.com/2023/11/29/lawyers-cite-russian-interference-he-decried-as-a-hoax-as-defense-in-dc-criminal-case/
....
In a court filing this week, Trump's attorneys argued that the former president is not at fault because others believed the election may have been undermined. They asserted instead that Russian election interference in 2016, the same subversion that Trump often deems "the Russia hoax," was at least in some part to blame for the distrust of the 2020 election results.Ah. That's better.
In his own state, major Repub money donors, the Kock Brothers, are throwing it to Nikki Haley.
I guess they aren't buying those over-sampled Repubs and Repubs Pretending To Be Independents poll numbers for Trump, after all.
Koch network endorses Nikki Haley in GOP primary.
Nov. 28, 2023.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2023/11/28/koch-brothers-endorse-nikki-haley-gop-primary/71727372007/
Those Repub Kock Brothers really have their work cut out for them. Yes, Haley trying to pawn herself off as merely a pro Repub "Bothsider" rather than a rabid Repub loon by taking all sides of every issue makes it easy for them to run ads of her taking the Dem side on issues in blue states and the Repub side of the same issues in red states.
However, there is that inconvenient historical fact that every true Repub will never forget or forgive her for; as Governor of South Carolina she removed their most cherished pro slavery racist symbol from her State House. And bragged about it!
They'll need to show ads of her giggling and personally pulling the lever on Old Sparky with a Willie Horton stand-in sitting strapped to it over and over again in red states to even hope to get past that one with the vast majority of Repub voters.
Cue the deflection non sequitur from some Winger rushing in with "Whatabout Newsom"? Or somebody else who isn't even a declared candidate or a Repub. LOL."
There are no more Koch Bros, David died a few yrs back leaving us just with the sooper TURD Chas Kock.
A true shit stain on humanity!!Oh, that's the memo I didn't get.
But that still leaves one Kock Bro and the whole Kock Nutwork behind to throw billions at Repub campaigns with the scheme being the Kocks will be flush with cash when their "winning" Repub so-called potus inevitably and reliably fulfills his / her Repub Party duty to Crash the USA Economy and Wipe Out Millions of Jobs by any means at hand, bringing the cost of everything down to less than bargain basement levels for them to swoop in for the big buy.
MarquisdeSade1
11-30-23, 19:38
"https://neurosciencenews.com/drk-triad-trolling-18825/".
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/11/29/henry-kissinger-americas-greatest-modern-diplomat-1923-2023/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/11/30/a-friend-of-ours-forever-chinese-communists-celebrate-henry-kissinger/
BTW are you a Mormon? Quoting a BYU study?
The countdown begins for when Trump calls this guy a liar, traitor, Deep State, RINO, "I don't know him. Never heard of him".
10,9, 8, 7, etc.
Or has he already made that announcement?That goes double, for our so called ISG Repub economists....kkkk!
Former Trump advisor says the U.S. economy is 'back to normal', but markets may be jumping the gun on rate hikes.
Nov. 29, 2023
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/29/former-trump-advisor-says-the-us-economy-is-back-to-normal-.html?__source=androidappshare
Cohn who was chief economic advisor to former U.S. President Donald Trump from 2017 to 2018 does not see the Fed cutting interest rates until the second half of 2024.
Cohn who was chief economic advisor to former U.S. President Donald Trump from 2017 to 2018 does not see the Fed cutting interest rates until the second half of 2024.
Drawing on 100-year average data, Cohn said the U.S. economy is back to a normal, but we all forgot what normal is.
.....
"We haven't seen normal for over two decades. We went through a decade plus of zero interest rates, we went through a decade of quantitative easing, zero interest rates and the Fed trying to see if they could create inflation," he said.
"We've gone from the Fed not being able to create inflation we now know the answer, the Fed cant create inflation, but the market can to us trying to unwind a shorter term inflationary shock. Were back into a normal world."
He noted that the 100-year average for 10-year U.S. Treasury yields is around 4.5%, and that the 10-year yield has moderated from the 16-year high of 5% logged in October to around 4.3% as of Wednesday morning. Meanwhile, inflation is running back towards the mean of between 2% and 2.5%.
"So every piece of economic data, if you look, is sort of heading back towards its very long term average. If you look at these over 100-year generational cycles, we seem to be running into that phase right now," Cohn added.
Thanks, Joe, Nancy, Chuck and the Dems for shouldering all the heavy lifting and assuming all the political risk to produce this historic recovery from another historic Great Repub Economic Disaster.
Again. As usual.Yes, indeed, that quiet right! We salute you...Joe and the Dems, for a job well done!
Now Dems, needs to continue to shut this from the mountain tops and use the strength of the economy and the wave of anti-abortion ban wins, as their "double barrel shot gun", in their 2024 campaigning.
MarquisdeSade1
12-01-23, 03:25
A man that unites all the people.
A true rainbow coalition.
https://nypost.com/2023/11/30/news/why-black-latina-and-asian-voters-are-abandoning-democrats/?utm_source=gmail&utm_campaign=android_nyp
Allahu Akbar.
"RIH / rot in hell Heinze
https://neurosciencenews.com/drk-triad-trolling-18825/".
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/11/29/henry-kissinger-americas-greatest-modern-diplomat-1923-2023/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/11/30/a-friend-of-ours-forever-chinese-communists-celebrate-henry-kissinger/
BTW are you a Mormon? Quoting a BYU study?
https://www.jebms.org/full-text/79
MarquisdeSade1
12-01-23, 05:08
"RIH / rot in hell Heinz / Lucifer.
https://neurosciencenews.com/drk-triad-trolling-18825/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/11/29/henry-kissinger-americas-greatest-modern-diplomat-1923-2023/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/11/30/a-friend-of-ours-forever-chinese-communists-celebrate-henry-kissinger/
BTW are you a Mormon? Quoting a BYU study?
https://www.jebms.org/full-text/79
Are you implying I'm trolling LOL?
Not quite, but if anyone is, that would be you writing Mitt and Jeff Flake are "great men", or Bubba was a great president because he destroyed so many American families.
By destroying the middle class and middle America.
Do you know how many people like Flake or Romney? Not many.
So that would make you guilty of being a troll.
You trolled I responded and you don't like it, well that's how it works.
So then you imply I'm a troll? WOWWW.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/chris-cuomo-donald-trump-joe-biden/2023/11/30/id/1144320/
I really hope you vote with ET Mitt and Flake for Dirtbag Joe, and make sure to let us know how that works out.
Because MAGA doesn't need or want your vote.
If you think promoting evil in this country makes a president great, well I believe that qualifies you as a full blown psychopath ala Mitt the Turd.
I'm guessing you would just say fuck "free trade" now that globalism is dying and just bring back good old fashioned slavery its more "cost efficient"
Anyone that promotes "free trade"as a good thing, is pure EVIL and shall burn in HELL for it.
"RIH / rot in hell Heinz / Lucifer.
https://neurosciencenews.com/drk-triad-trolling-18825/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/11/29/henry-kissinger-americas-greatest-modern-diplomat-1923-2023/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/11/30/a-friend-of-ours-forever-chinese-communists-celebrate-henry-kissinger/
BTW are you a Mormon? Quoting a BYU study?
https://www.jebms.org/full-text/79
Are you implying I'm trolling LOL?
Not quite, but if anyone is, that would be you writing Mitt and Jeff Flake are "great men", or Bubba was a great president because he destroyed so many American families.
By destroying the middle class and middle America.
Do you know how many people like Flake or Romney? Not many.
So that would make you guilty of being a troll.
You trolled I responded and you don't like it, well that's how it works.
So then you imply I'm a troll? WOWWW.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/chris-cuomo-donald-trump-joe-biden/2023/11/30/id/1144320/
I really hope you vote with ET Mitt and Flake for Dirtbag Joe, and make sure to let us know how that works out.
Because MAGA doesn't need or want your vote.If you say that economic liberalism, including free trade, is a farce and should be quashed, I'm not going to say you are a full blown psychopath or Lucifer. Or that you're evil and will burn in hell for it. Or that you want to bring back slavery. That's even though most Americans and others would be worse off, while the crony capitalists who benefit from trade barriers, tariffs, and corporate subsidies would make out like bandits. I'm not going to say that because I am not a troll. Instead I would say you are misguided.
Word on the street is that this dood is a MAGA hating Libertarian.
https://www.aol.com/news/british-inquiry-finds-serious-failings-165839084.htmlWord on the street is that a large percentage of people who don't like immigrants and other men of color are homosexual, like this dood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer
P.S. I've never fucked a dead woman or killed a live one, nor do I know anyone who has.
MarquisdeSade1
12-01-23, 23:29
"If you say that economic liberalism, including free trade, is a farce and should be quashed, I'm not going to say you are a full blown psychopath or Lucifer. Or that you're evil and will burn in hell for it. Or that you want to bring back slavery. That's even though most Americans and others would be worse off, while the crony capitalists who benefit from trade barriers, tariffs, and corporate subsidies would make out like bandits. I'm not going to say that because I am not a troll. Instead I would say you are misguided.
Word on the street is that a large percentage of people who don't like immigrants and other men of color are homosexual, like this dood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer
P.S. I've never fucked a dead woman or killed a live one, nor do I know anyone who has. ".
Free trade is a farce and a misnomer no less, free for whom, just call it what it is, unfair trade.
Parasites like this MAGA hating piece of shit.
https://sports.yahoo.com/citadel-boss-ken-griffin-made-150044633.html#text=Citadel%20 CEO%20 Ken%20 Griffin%20 took, Investor's%2022nd%20 annual%20 Rich%20 List.
Guess what, he hates MAGA loves the CCP and open borders, HUNGER GAMES for ALL.
He didn't make that money he stole it, and should be drawn and quartered.
He may as well be printing it in his basement.
"That's even though most Americans and others would be worse off" so tell me who the fuck are these others you're so "worried" about? The slaves of the CCP?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides
Do you know their solution? Install nets to catch the jumpers, and send them right back to their slot on the line!!
You sound as anti American as they get.
And yes I will repeat "people" that are pathologically selfish are PURE EVIL and will burn in hell.
People like Chas Koch (Montgomery Burns on steroids) or Nick Gillespie et al.
"If you say that economic liberalism, including free trade, is a farce and should be quashed, I'm not going to say you are a full blown psychopath or Lucifer. Or that you're evil and will burn in hell for it. Or that you want to bring back slavery. That's even though most Americans and others would be worse off, while the crony capitalists who benefit from trade barriers, tariffs, and corporate subsidies would make out like bandits. I'm not going to say that because I am not a troll. Instead I would say you are misguided.
Word on the street is that a large percentage of people who don't like immigrants and other men of color are homosexual, like this dood.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer
P.S. I've never fucked a dead woman or killed a live one, nor do I know anyone who has. ".
Free trade is a farce and a misnomer no less, free for whom, just call it what it is, unfair trade.
Parasites like this MAGA hating piece of shit.
https://sports.yahoo.com/citadel-boss-ken-griffin-made-150044633.html#text=Citadel%20 CEO%20 Ken%20 Griffin%20 took, Investor's%2022nd%20 annual%20 Rich%20 List.
Guess what, he hates MAGA loves the CCP and open borders, HUNGER GAMES for ALL.
He didn't make that money he stole it, and should be drawn and quartered.
He may as well be printing it in his basement.
"That's even though most Americans and others would be worse off" so tell me who the fuck are these others you're so "worried" about? The slaves of the CCP?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_suicides
Do you know their solution? Install nets to catch the jumpers, and send them right back to their slot on the line!!
You sound as anti American as they get.
And yes I will repeat "people" that are pathologically selfish are PURE EVIL and will burn in hell.
People like Chas Koch (Montgomery Burns on steroids) or Nick Gillespie et al."
You're all over the place aren't you.
Ken Griffin's Citadel Securities is a parasite. It's a market making firm, which wouldn't exist if all shares were transparently traded on stock exchanges, like they are in Tooms' adopted country and many other places. Citadel takes money out of the pockets of pension funds, mutual funds and individuals and puts it into the pockets of Griffin and his associates. They're leaches, sucking up retirees money.
Trump, Biden, other presidents and Congress should have shut down this racket long ago but they haven't. You seem to be a big fan of crony capitalism that goes with tariffs and trade barriers, so its surprising youre complaining about this.
Your link to Foxconn suicides shows one or two occurring in some years since 2012. Foxconn has around 600,000 employees in China and the suicide rate there is about 10 per 100,000. So you'd expect about 60 suicides among Foxconn employees annually. Wikipedia didn't come up with near that many in any year. So what's your point?
Mine would be that the work done, mostly by women, in factories where consumer electronics and garments and the like are manufactured, is mind numbingly dull and repetitive. Americans don't want to do it. Yeah, if you want to create a suicide epidemic in America, you might just be able to do it with 100% made in the USA laws.
A little less than half of what we import are parts and the like that we incorporate into items made here. The value added for many products in the USA is multiples of what we pay for parts and components from other countries. Everyone's better off if we leave the rinky dink, repetitive manufacturing to other countries and do higher value added products and services in the USA.
The effect of tariffs and trade barriers on most Americans is negative. The overall effect is to lower wages, lower employment, and raise prices on consumers. Poorer Americans are hurt worst.
This explains it. Fat chance you'll read it, but I'll post it anyway.
https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/updated-case-free-trade
Here's the storybook version.
https://www.cato.org/study/free-trade
You really don't belong in the MAGA movement by the way. There were three planks to Trumps economic policy. One was a bad idea, the tariffs. The other two, lower corporate taxes and deregulation, where championed by Charles Koch and Nick Gillespie, along with President Trump. They were part of the reason why real weekly wages went up about the same during Trumps four years in office as they did in the prior 30 years. And why unemployment levels were down to levels last seen in the 1960s before COVID hit. As best as I can tell, you want to stick it to the corporations and ramp up the regulation. You're part of the MAMA (Make America Mediocre Again) movement championed by Jimmy Carter. Or maybe the MAP (Make America Poor) movement favored by Communists and our foreign adversaries.
This is hilarious:
"And yes I will repeat "people" that are pathologically selfish are PURE EVIL and will burn in hell."
Who's the quintessential pathologically selfish personality in American politics? Donald Trump. He may have good instincts on the economy, except for his tariff fetish. But he doesn't give a fuck about anyone except himself, and he's shown that time and time again.
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You really don't belong in the MAGA movement by the way. There were three planks to Trumps economic policy. One was a bad idea, the tariffs. The other two, lower corporate taxes and deregulation, where championed by Charles Koch and Nick Gillespie, along with President Trump. They were part of the reason why real weekly wages went up about the same during Trumps four years in office as they did in the prior 30 years. And why unemployment levels were down to levels last seen in the 1960s before COVID hit. As best as I can tell, you want to stick it to the corporations and ramp up the regulation. You're part of the MAMA (Make America Mediocre Again) movement championed by Jimmy Carter. Or maybe the MAP (Make America Poor) movement favored by Communists and our foreign adversaries.
This is hilarious:
"And yes I will repeat "people" that are pathologically selfish are PURE EVIL and will burn in hell."
Who's the quintessential pathologically selfish personality in American politics? Donald Trump. He may have good instincts on the economy, except for his tariff fetish. But he doesn't give a fuck about anyone except himself, and he's shown that time and time again.Uh. Real Weekly Wages. That would be adjusted for inflation, right?
Real Weekly Wages were already climbing in an upward trajectory under Obama-Biden YEARS before Trump's one and only economic "stimulus" legislation went into effect in 2018. And the only reason there was a momentary spike in that "adjusted for inflation" part of it in early 2020 was because prices of everything else were crashing due to Trump's Pandemic. Yeah, anyone who still had a job that paid wages could buy gas really, really cheap and not go anywhere thanks to Trump's necessary closures at the time. See link and screenshot below:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q
Uh. The unemployment rate had been declining steadily and dramatically under Obama-Biden YEARS before Trump's one and only economic "stimulus" legislation went into effect in 2018. Oh, and please note the gigantic spike in the unemployment rate right about the same time those "adjusted for inflation" wages some lucky few were still receiving momentarily spiked up after Trump's other decisions in 2018 and 2019 and his lying about it all through 2020 created and exacerbated Trump's Pandemic. See link and screenshot below:
https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-unemployment-rate.htm
You have a truly bizarre concept of "cause and effect" that seems to find a "cause" for things under Trump / Repubs that came into "effect" YEARS earlier after Dems shouldered all the heavy lifting and assumed all the political risk to make it happen.
As is so very common among Repubs anyway. And the saddest part is that you Repubs continually attribute those Dem acheivements you're always taking credit for to the very Repub tax policies, lax enforcement of regulations and horrible economic stewardship that has plunged America into every Great Depression, Great Recession, Massive Jobs Destruction and NONE of the Great Recoveries, Historic Expansions and Historic Job Gains of the past 100 years or so.
It is truly astonishing but understandable why typically pro Repub Mainstream Media let you get away with it.
Uh. Real Weekly Wages. That would be adjusted for inflation, right?
Real Weekly Wages were already climbing in an upward trajectory under Obama-Biden YEARS before Trump's one and only economic "stimulus" legislation went into effect in 2018. And the only reason there was a momentary spike in that "adjusted for inflation" part of it in early 2020 was because prices of everything else were crashing due to Trump's Pandemic. Yeah, anyone who still had a job that paid wages could buy gas really, really cheap and not go anywhere thanks to Trump's necessary closures at the time. See link and screenshot below:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q
Uh. The unemployment rate had been declining steadily and dramatically under Obama-Biden YEARS before Trump's one and only economic "stimulus" legislation went into effect in 2018. Oh, and please note the gigantic spike in the unemployment rate right about the same time those "adjusted for inflation" wages some lucky few were still receiving momentarily spiked up after Trump's other decisions in 2018 and 2019 and his lying about it all through 2020 created and exacerbated Trump's Pandemic. See link and screenshot below:
https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-unemployment-rate.htm
You have a truly bizarre concept of "cause and effect" that seems to find a "cause" for things under Trump / Repubs that came into "effect" YEARS earlier after Dems shouldered all the heavy lifting and assumed all the political risk to make it happen.
As is so very common among Repubs anyway. And the saddest part is that you Repubs continually attribute those Dem acheivements you're always taking credit for to the very Repub tax policies, lax enforcement of regulations and horrible economic stewardship that has plunged America into every Great Depression, Great Recession, Massive Jobs Destruction and NONE of the Great Recoveries, Historic Expansions and Historic Job Gains of the past 100 years or so.
It is truly astonishing but understandable why typically pro Repub Mainstream Media let you get away with it.You're a smart guy but you overemphasize trends and just look at one variable in trying to explain GDP growth, employment and the like: the party of the president. Please note I said PART of the reason were the changes in corporate taxation and deregulation. As I've mentioned countless times, external events (for example oil shocks and a pandemic), globalization, changes in technology, demographic changes and Fed policy have more influence on the economy than the president. Still I don't think the unemployment rate would have been as low or middle class wages would have been as high at the start of COVID, or at the end of Trump's presidency, or today if not for the corporate tax changes. And deregulation helped too.
This graph of real median household income is interesting too.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N
When COVID hit the workingman was finally making gains. He was treading water from 2000 to 2015, but then income popped upwards. COVID though intervened, and then high inflation in goods and services outpaced wage gains, and we gave a lot of it back.
You're a smart guy but you overemphasize trends and just look at one variable in trying to explain GDP growth, employment and the like: the party of the president. Please note I said PART of the reason were the changes in corporate taxation and deregulation. As I've mentioned countless times, external events (for example oil shocks and a pandemic), globalization, changes in technology, demographic changes and Fed policy have more influence on the economy than the president. Still I don't think the unemployment rate would have been as low or middle class wages would have been as high at the start of COVID, or at the end of Trump's presidency, or today if not for the corporate tax changes. And deregulation helped too.
This graph of real median household income is interesting too.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N
When COVID hit the workingman was finally making gains. He was treading water from 2000 to 2015, but then income popped upwards. COVID though intervened, and then high inflation in goods and services outpaced wage gains, and we gave a lot of it back.Any intelligent person can look at those links and charts and immediately see that NONE of the Real Wage Growth and NONE of the Unemployment Rate Declnes could possibly have been "caused" by anything whatsoever done, thought, said, proposed, passed or farted by Donald J. Trump. Which is the BS you tried to float, apparently assuming only representatives of Fux, Newsmax, Breitbart, NYT, CNN, MSNBC, ABC News, NBC News, CBS News and Bill Maher himself would read it and happily allow you to get away with it.
Sorry.
Trump's Pandemic, that Recession in the grey area of the chart when, naturally, prices for almost everything no one had access to anyway plunged and that huge spike in the Unemployment Rate, yes, you can give Trump all the credit you want for those. I give him at least 90% credit for them.
But those other beautifully positive trajectories that were already rock solid steamrolling for YEARS prior and into his first couple of years in office, nope.
You're a smart guy but you overemphasize trends and just look at one variable in trying to explain GDP growth, employment and the like: the party of the president. Please note I said PART of the reason were the changes in corporate taxation and deregulation.As I've mentioned countless times, external events (for example oil shocks and a pandemic), globalization, changes in technology, demographic changes and Fed policy have more influence on the economy than the president. Still I don't think the unemployment rate would have been as low or middle class wages would have been as high at the start of COVID, or at the end of Trump's presidency, or today if not for the corporate tax changes. And deregulation helped too.
Any intelligent person can look at those links and charts and immediately see that NONE of the Real Wage Growth and NONE of the Unemployment Rate Declnes could possibly have been "caused" by anything whatsoever done, thought, said, proposed, passed or farted by Donald J. Trump. Which is the BS you tried to float, apparently assuming only representatives of Fux, Newsmax, Breitbart, NYT, CNN, MSNBC, ABC News, NBC News, CBS News and Bill Maher himself would read it and happily allow you to get away with it.
Sorry.
Trump's Pandemic, that Recession in the grey area of the chart when, naturally, prices for almost everything no one had access to anyway plunged and that huge spike in the Unemployment Rate, yes, you can give Trump all the credit you want for those. I give him at least 90% credit for them.
But those other beautifully positive trajectories that were already rock solid steamrolling for YEARS prior and into his first couple of years in office, nope.Nothing "whatsoever done, thought, said, proposed, passed or farted by Donald J. Trump"? Au contraire. See this recent paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research, authored by economists from Harvard, Princeton, the University of Chicago and the Treasury Department.
https://conference.nber.org/conf_papers/f191672.pdf
They estimate "a long-run increase in domestic corporate capital of roughly 7. 4% due to the TCJA's corporate provisions. " I'm not saying that means the changes in corporate taxation will necessarily increase the number of people employed by 7. 4% -- that would imply an unemployment rate of less than 0% if there's no increase in the labor force participation rate. But it darn sure means the corporate tax changes result in a decrease in unemployment and higher wages. They didn't quantify that in the paper, and in fact conclude by saying further research into the effect on income of workers as a result of the TCJA is warranted.
Another interesting conclusion is that by the end of the 10 year budget window (by 2028), the effect of corporate revenue gains and higher labor taxes (as a result of higher employment and wages) offset the drop in the corporate rate. In the long term, everybody wins. The corporations generate higher revenues, there are more jobs and higher pay, and the blood suckers in Washington, D.C., while losing revenue during the early years after the cut, end up even at the end of 10 years.
Democrat economist Jason Furman is convinced:
"The new study has economists buzzing on the platform formerly known as Twitter. "These are the most convincing estimates of the response of investment to corporate tax rates that I've ever seen," says Harvard's Jason Furman, former chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers during the Obama administration. He is not among the study authors but describes the findings in a series of posts on X:
Taxes actually do matter. Companies that saw larger reductions in tax rates from the TCJA also experienced larger increases in investment in the years that followed. ".
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-trump-corporate-tax-reform-worked-7670b723
Nothing "whatsoever done, thought, said, proposed, passed or farted by Donald J. Trump"? Au contraire. See this recent paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research, authored by economists from Harvard, Princeton, the University of Chicago and the Treasury Department.
https://conference.nber.org/conf_papers/f191672.pdf
They estimate "a long-run increase in domestic corporate capital of roughly 7. 4% due to the TCJA's corporate provisions. " I'm not saying that means the changes in corporate taxation will necessarily increase the number of people employed by 7. 4% -- that would imply an unemployment rate of less than 0% if there's no increase in the labor force participation rate. But it darn sure means the corporate tax changes result in a decrease in unemployment and higher wages. They didn't quantify that in the paper, and in fact conclude by saying further research into the effect on income of workers as a result of the TCJA is warranted.
Another interesting conclusion is that by the end of the 10 year budget window (by 2028), the effect of corporate revenue gains and higher labor taxes (as a result of higher employment and wages) offset the drop in the corporate rate. In the long term, everybody wins. The corporations generate higher revenues, there are more jobs and higher pay, and the blood suckers in Washington, D.C., while losing revenue during the early years after the cut, end up even at the end of 10 years.
Democrat economist Jason Furman is convinced:
"The new study has economists buzzing on the platform formerly known as Twitter. "These are the most convincing estimates of the response of investment to corporate tax rates that I've ever seen," says Harvard's Jason Furman, former chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers during the Obama administration. He is not among the study authors but describes the findings in a series of posts on X:
Taxes actually do matter. Companies that saw larger reductions in tax rates from the TCJA also experienced larger increases in investment in the years that followed. ".
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-trump-corporate-tax-reform-worked-7670b723Of course tax cuts actually do matter. Dem tax cuts and stewardship produce historic recoveries, meaningful economic expansion and historic job gains while Repub tax cuts and stewardship produce massive job losses, Great Depressions, Great Recessions and skyrocketing deficits.
That is one of the main reasons I have voted Dem straight down every ballot, never for a Repub and never for another Party candidate for any office since the middle of Reagan's first so-called presidential term.
Aside from those TCJA Corporate Tax Cuts being turned right around into stock buy-backs and NOT into creating a meaningful number of jobs, Trump's only other "accomplishment" in his 4 years as so-called president was spending 2018,2019 and 2020 making sure America and the rest of the world was left bare-ass naked against the emergence and spread of a deadly airborn virus that so far has killed almost as many Americans as were killed in The Civil War, WWI, WWII, The Korean War and Ike's Vietnam War COMBINED.
If he continues to convince any idiot who believes him that vaccines are not necessary to combat whatever new mutation of Trump's Pandemic virus developes over the next couple of years it is possible the number of Americans he will have Mass Murdered due to his horrific economic and national security policies and stewardship will far surpass all the number of American deaths in every military conflict since the Republican Party was conjured up in the mid 1850's.
Why The Tax Cuts And Jobs Act (TCJA) Led To Buybacks Rather Than Investment
https://www.forbes.com/sites/annemarieknott/2019/02/21/why-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-tcja-led-to-buybacks-rather-than-investment/?sh=455e5a2e37fb
Trump slams companies for using U.S. tax credit to buy back stocks
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-trump-buybacks-idUSKBN2173HY/
Did Trumps tax cuts boost hiring? Most companies say no
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/making-sense/did-trumps-tax-cuts-boost-hiring-most-companies-say-no
You're a smart guy but you overemphasize trends and just look at one variable in trying to explain GDP growth, employment and the like: the party of the president. Please note I said PART of the reason were the changes in corporate taxation and deregulation. As I've mentioned countless times, external events (for example oil shocks and a pandemic), globalization, changes in technology, demographic changes and Fed policy have more influence on the economy than the president. Still I don't think the unemployment rate would have been as low or middle class wages would have been as high at the start of COVID, or at the end of Trump's presidency, or today if not for the corporate tax changes. And deregulation helped too.
This graph of real median household income is interesting too.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N
When COVID hit the workingman was finally making gains. He was treading water from 2000 to 2015, but then income popped upwards. COVID though intervened, and then high inflation in goods and services outpaced wage gains, and we gave a lot of it back.You want to know why wages were increasing and the workingman was finally making gains when Trump's efforts in 2018,2019 and all through 2020 finally produced Trump's Pandemic and all of the worldwide economic fallout from it?
Here is why. And it not only had nothing to do with his and his Party's idiotic TCJA. It had everything to do with something Repubs generally OPPOSE:
Trumps disappearing populism was on full display at Thursdays debate.
From the minimum wage to taxes, hes a boring Republican now.
https://www.vox.com/2020/10/22/21529733/donald-trump-minimum-wage-debate
24 states will raise the minimum wage in 2020
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/28/us/minimum-wage-increase-states-cities-2020-trnd/index.html
On New Years Day, 20 states and 26 cities and counties, mostly in California, will raise the minimum wages. Four more states and 23 more cities and counties will join later in the year, according to NELP.
These increases will put much-needed money into the hands of the lowest-paid workers, many of whom struggle with high and ever-increasing costs of living, wrote researcher and policy analyst Yannet Lathrop in a blog post announcing the new wages.
Florida Repub Party Chairman (FRPC) and his wife the head of Mom's for Liberty, accused of Sexual Battery and Rape.
Florida GOP chair under investigation related to sexual battery allegation
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/christian-ziegler-florida-gop-chairman-allegations-sexual-battery-rcna127430
Let's be clear, Christian and Bridget Ziegler couple, are seen as one of architects of the Mom's for Liberty movement, responsible for going around Florida banning LGTBQ books (among others), Storybook Hour and the myriad of lies, accusing liberals of being "groomers" and "pedophiles".
Meanwhile, they're engaging in their very own LGBTQ sex tryst going on for 3-years, that has now ended in a very public case of rape, sexual abuse, battery and harassment. The 13-page
allegations, appear to be very strong and credible, sources report.
The Florida Repub Party Chairman and right-wing Mom's for Liberty movement, must be the American "cesspool", dear old House Speaker Rep.Mike Johnson (R-LA), was praying for God, to rid America off?
Of course tax cuts actually do matter. Dem tax cuts and stewardship produce historic recoveries, meaningful economic expansion and historic job gains while Repub tax cuts and stewardship produce massive job losses, Great Depressions, Great Recessions and skyrocketing deficits.
That is one of the main reasons I have voted Dem straight down every ballot, never for a Repub and never for another Party candidate for any office since the middle of Reagan's first so-called presidential term.
Aside from those TCJA Corporate Tax Cuts being turned right around into stock buy-backs and NOT into creating a meaningful number of jobs, Trump's only other "accomplishment" in his 4 years as so-called president was spending 2018,2019 and 2020 making sure America and the rest of the world was left bare-ass naked against the emergence and spread of a deadly airborn virus that so far has killed almost as many Americans as were killed in The Civil War, WWI, WWII, The Korean War and Ike's Vietnam War COMBINED.The preceding doesn't seem reasonable to me.
If he continues to convince any idiot who believes him that vaccines are not necessary to combat whatever new mutation of Trump's Pandemic virus developes over the next couple of years it is possible the number of Americans he will have Mass Murdered due to his horrific economic and national security policies and stewardship will far surpass all the number of American deaths in every military conflict since the Republican Party was conjured up in the mid 1850's.I've had 5 or 6 Pfizer and Moderna shots and have never to my knowledge gotten COVID. That said, natural immunity from COVID infections may be more effective than the vaccines in preventing severe disease. Practically everyone's had the disease and / or the vaccine. We all have some immunity, and COVID's not nearly the threat it was. Finally, Paxlovid, which is readily available in the USA, is effective at preventing severe disease if taken soon after symptoms arise.
So, IF Trump were trying to convince people not to get vaccinated, the effect on public health probably wouldn't be significant. However, I don't think he's doing that. Trump encouraged people to get vaccinated. He was boo'ed at one of his rallies in Dallas for doing that. Since I don't buy into your prior explanations of how he caused the pandemic, this doesn't seem reasonable to me either.
Why The Tax Cuts And Jobs Act (TCJA) Led To Buybacks Rather Than Investment
https://www.forbes.com/sites/annemarieknott/2019/02/21/why-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-tcja-led-to-buybacks-rather-than-investment/?sh=455e5a2e37fbAs to the matter at hand, your sources are old. When corporations have more money to save, invest and spend in the private sector in the USA as a result of changes in the tax code, the effect isn't immediate. It's cumulative. If a company was paying tax at a rate of 40% of income (state + federal) before the tax cut and 26% afterwards, it has 14% more income available annually. That additional money is invested and otherwise recycled every year.
Your first source, an engineer writing in Forbes, says there were $2. 8 trillion stashed by USA Companies abroad which they hadn't brought back to the USA, in large part because, before the TCJA, they'd have to pay tax on the remittances. She says corporate buybacks were $200 billion more in the first three quarters of 2018, after the TCJA went into effect, than the first three quarters of 2017. Well, it's not uncommon for total S&P 500 buybacks to vary up or down by $200 billion a year. They were for example about $500 billion higher in the 12 months ending March 31 2022 versus the prior yearly period.
Second, if the $200 billion, or some larger amount went to buybacks, that's a good thing. It's money sitting in foreign bank accounts that's now largely sloshing around in the USA, being used for investments, savings and consumption here instead of elsewhere. The effect on our economy is positive.
Thirdly, Knott says that aggregate capital investment increased 8. 8% over 2017 while R&D investment grew 12.5%. That's not shabby at all, although for a single year, like the remittance, it's hard to say how much the TCJA had to do with that. Again, corporations don't change capital spending and other plans on a dime. It takes some time if you're going to build a new factory for example before you spend the money and hire the contractors.
Trump slams companies for using U.S. tax credit to buy back stocks
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-trump-buybacks-idUSKBN2173HY/Trump's instincts about the economy and business are better than at least 95% of Democratic Party politicians. But he's not the brightest bulb on the planet. I'd put his comments described in the Reuters article in the same category as his proposal to impose new across-the-board 10% tariffs into effect on imports. That doesn't make a lot of sense.
Did Trumps tax cuts boost hiring? Most companies say no
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/making-sense/did-trumps-tax-cuts-boost-hiring-most-companies-say-noGretchen Frazee, who wrote this, seems to write more about COVID than anything else. Women's sports is high on her agenda too. The survey in question kicked off on December 17 ,2018 and went to January 9, 2019. So again, given the changes took effect on January 1, 2018, that's not much time for corporations to change their hiring and investment.
Frazee writes, "Half of the survey's respondents from companies in the "goods-producing" sector which includes mining, construction and manufacturing said they accelerated investments because of the tax cuts. Twenty percent of companies in those industries said they redirected hiring and investment from foreign countries to the United States. ".
It would be interesting to see what the answers to the questions would have been a year later, in January, 2020. I don't see the TCJA addressed in the NABE's summary for that survey though.
24 states will raise the minimum wage in 2020
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/28/us/minimum-wage-increase-states-cities-2020-trnd/index.htmlThat's probably a good thing. I don't believe it makes sense to mandate minimum wages at the national level. You wouldn't want it the same for Seattle and Jackson Mississippi for example. But yeah, it's great when more people are getting a living wage, without having to work 80 hours a week.
I don't believe these changes in 2020 made much of a difference, because so few people receive the minimum wage. At the national level, I'm reading something like 1. 9% of hourly workers get the federal minimum, and hourly workers are 55% of total workers. Yes, the percentage would be higher, taking into account state and local minimums. But still did this make a significant difference in median household income or average hourly wages? I'd suspect not. Anyway if you come across anything more detailed, it would be interesting to see.
Florida Repub Party Chairman (FRPC) and his wife the head of Mom's for Liberty, accused of Sexual Battery and Rape.
Florida GOP chair under investigation related to sexual battery allegation
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/christian-ziegler-florida-gop-chairman-allegations-sexual-battery-rcna127430
Let's be clear, Christian and Bridget Ziegler couple, are seen as one of architects of the Mom's for Liberty movement, responsible for going around Florida banning LGTBQ books (among others), Storybook Hour and the myriad of lies, accusing liberals of being "groomers" and "pedophiles".
Meanwhile, they're engaging in their very own LGBTQ sex tryst going on for 3-years, that has now ended in a very public case of rape, sexual abuse, battery and harassment. The 13-page
allegations, appear to be very strong and credible, sources report.
The Florida Repub Party Chairman and right-wing Mom's for Liberty movement, must be the American "cesspool", dear old House Speaker Rep.Mike Johnson (R-LA), was praying for God, to rid America off?Bridget Ziegler in a threesome! Nice!
https://www.yourobserver.com/news/2014/oct/08/election-2014-bridget-ziegler-sarasota-school-board-district-1/
The woman who's accusing Christian Ziegler of rape was involved in a love triangle with him and his wife Bridget. She was upset when Ziegler showed up at her house without Bridget and had sex with her without a condom. She apparently had the hots for Bridget, not Christian. This may indeed be rape, or it may be another example of what Elvis has repeatedly cautioned us about: sex with bat shit crazy American women.
regarding jobs and wages.
The preceding doesn't seem reasonable to me.
I've had 5 or 6 Pfizer and Moderna shots and have never to my knowledge gotten COVID. That said, natural immunity from COVID infections may be more effective than the vaccines in preventing severe disease. Practically everyone's had the disease and / or the vaccine. We all have some immunity, and COVID's not nearly the threat it was. Finally, Paxlovid, which is readily available in the USA, is effective at preventing severe disease if taken soon after symptoms arise.
So, IF Trump were trying to convince people not to get vaccinated, the effect on public health probably wouldn't be significant. However, I don't think he's doing that. Trump encouraged people to get vaccinated. He was boo'ed at one of his rallies in Dallas for doing that. Since I don't buy into your prior explanations of how he caused the pandemic, this doesn't seem reasonable to me either.
As to the matter at hand, your sources are old. When corporations have more money to save, invest and spend in the private sector in the USA as a result of changes in the tax code, the effect isn't immediate. It's cumulative. If a company was paying tax at a rate of 40% of income (state + federal) before the tax cut and 26% afterwards, it has 14% more income available annually. That additional money is invested and otherwise recycled every year.
Your first source, an engineer writing in Forbes, says there were $2. 8 trillion stashed by USA Companies abroad which they hadn't brought back to the USA, in large part because, before the TCJA, they'd have to pay tax on the remittances. She says corporate buybacks were $200 billion more in the first three quarters of 2018, after the TCJA went into effect, than the first three quarters of 2017. Well, it's not uncommon for total S&P 500 buybacks to vary up or down by $200 billion a year. They were for example about $500 billion higher in the 12 months ending March 31 2022 versus the prior yearly period.
Second, if the $200 billion, or some larger amount went to buybacks, that's a good thing. It's money sitting in foreign bank accounts that's now largely sloshing around in the USA, being used for investments, savings and consumption here instead of elsewhere. The effect on our economy is positive.
Thirdly, Knott says that aggregate capital investment increased 8. 8% over 2017 while R&D investment grew 12.5%. That's not shabby at all, although for a single year, like the remittance, it's hard to say how much the TCJA had to do with that. Again, corporations don't change capital spending and other plans on a dime. It takes some time if you're going to build a new factory for example before you spend the money and hire the contractors.
Trump's instincts about the economy and business are better than at least 95% of Democratic Party politicians. But he's not the brightest bulb on the planet. I'd put his comments described in the Reuters article in the same category as his proposal to impose new across-the-board 10% tariffs into effect on imports. That doesn't make a lot of sense.
Gretchen Frazee, who wrote this, seems to write more about COVID than anything else. Women's sports is high on her agenda too. The survey in question kicked off on December 17 ,2018 and went to January 9, 2019. So again, given the changes took effect on January 1, 2018, that's not much time for corporations to change their hiring and investment.
Frazee writes, "Half of the survey's respondents from companies in the "goods-producing" sector which includes mining, construction and manufacturing said they accelerated investments because of the tax cuts. Twenty percent of companies in those industries said they redirected hiring and investment from foreign countries to the United States. ".
It would be interesting to see what the answers to the questions would have been a year later, in January, 2020. I don't see the TCJA addressed in the NABE's summary for that survey though.
That's probably a good thing. I don't believe it makes sense to mandate minimum wages at the national level. You wouldn't want it the same for Seattle and Jackson Mississippi for example. But yeah, it's great when more people are getting a living wage, without having to work 80 hours a week.
I don't believe these changes in 2020 made much of a difference, because so few people receive the minimum wage. At the national level, I'm reading something like 1. 9% of hourly workers get the federal minimum, and hourly workers are 55% of total workers. Yes, the percentage would be higher, taking into account state and local minimums. But still did this make a significant difference in median household income or average hourly wages? I'd suspect not. Anyway if you come across anything more detailed, it would be interesting to see.Wasn't this your admission about your link not supporting the notion that Trump and his Repubs' TCJA measurably increased hiring or wages? And certainly not by 2020, the last year of Trump's so-called presidency and when his years' long efforts to identify and facilitate the inevitable Great Repub Economic Crash and Massive Jobs Destruction as is required of all Repub potuses came to fruition?
They estimate "a long-run increase in domestic corporate capital of roughly 7. 4% due to the TCJA's corporate provisions. " I'm not saying that means the changes in corporate taxation will necessarily increase the number of people employed by 7. 4% -- that would imply an unemployment rate of less than 0% if there's no increase in the labor force participation rate. But it darn sure means the corporate tax changes result in a decrease in unemployment and higher wages. They didn't quantify that in the paper, and in fact conclude by saying further research into the effect on income of workers as a result of the TCJA is warranted.So then you nitpick over my link that substantiates unequivally that wages were raised and how they were raised in dozens of states and cities in 2020. Mostly blue states and blue cities, where the vast majority of the Labor Force of the United States of America reside anyway. LOL.
How does raising the minimum wage of a relatively small percent of the labor force matter to the overall increase in wages and bring more workers into the force?
Well, first of all it did it a damn sight better, more effectively and provably so than anything you have ever shown that idiotic TCJA did.
Second, raising the minimum wage for new, entry and lower level jobs will logically force employers to raise the wages of those who have been working for them for years in higher level, higher responsibility jobs. This generates a ripple effect. Similar to the ripple effect we all just saw the UAW create in the auto industry where even non union manufacturers had to up their game with their employees too or risk losing them. If a longer term and presumably more experienced and skilled employee can more easily walk away (those are called "quits" in the labor market) and start fresh at another company with at least some assurance that he / she will be paid a livable wage after the minimum wage has been raised, that employer had better start sweetening the deal for that level of worker as well.
See, this notion that Wingers conjure up to flatter their ego and sell that BS to the masses about that idiotic Repub Supply-Side / Trickle-Down tax and economic philosophy is "good" for lower and middle income earners too and not just applied to make it easier for CEOs to set aflame $1000 bills to light their cigars utterly misses the Real World detail that the last thing most major corporations and companies want to do is hire more employees. They do so when they HAVE TO if it looks like they will not have plenty of those $1000 bill cigar lighters in their future unless they do. Just because Trump and every other Repub puts extra cash in their pocket does not inspire them to hire one more American with it.
LOL. So Trump dared to reverse his pitch that getting a vaccine is unnecessary, naturally got booed for it by his cult followers who never heard him utter such a thing before, and that so terrified him he never uttered it in public again.
Meanwhile:
New COVID Strain May Evade Vaccines, Alarming Health Officials.
Aug. 24, 2023
https://www.webmd.com/covid/news/20230824/new-covid-strain-may-evade-vaccines-alarming-health-officials
Yep, if Trump, his cult followers in and out of the Repub Pink Now Smaller Tinkle House and Senate, DeSantis. RFK Jr and Bill Maher can see to it that just 50,000 - 60,000 more Americans die from Trump's Pandrmic by mocking or denigrating known mitigation and vaccine efforts, they will have successfully Mass Murdered more Americans than were killed in all the military conflicts since and including the Civil War.
MarquisdeSade1
12-06-23, 07:02
Fighting satan aka the DNC and the deep state.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/12/05/speaker-mike-johnson-tables-move-slip-deep-state-reauthorization-defense-bill/
I think maybe, Mike Lee could be a great VP for King Trump 2024.
Bridget Ziegler in a threesome! Nice!
https://www.yourobserver.com/news/2014/oct/08/election-2014-bridget-ziegler-sarasota-school-board-district-1/
Really...well I guess maybe, if Bridget-ba-duh, blonde bimbonic, "bi-gay", "bat-shit" crazy wifey, is your thing? ...then it would seem, you should look no further than Moms for Liberty (...kkkk!).
The woman who's accusing Christian Ziegler of rape was involved in a love triangle with him and his wife Bridget. She was upset when Ziegler showed up at her house without Bridget and had sex with her without a condom. She apparently had the hots for Bridget, not Christian. This may indeed be rape, or it may be another example of what Elvis has repeatedly cautioned us about: sex with bat shit crazy American women.
Yeah, you said it! Bridget Ziegler, founder of Moms for Liberty (MFL), is probably as "bat shit crazy", as she is a lying, two-faced hypocrite of the same "bat-shit" foul smelling magnitude.
But since it appears that husband, Christian Ziegler, head of the Florida GOP\Republican Party, is just as malodorous, they'll both enjoy more time basking in their "bat-shit crazy", LGBTQ and "bi-gay" hypocrite life-style, as Ronald DeSantis and Sen.Rick Scott (R-FL) calls for Ziegler's resignation.
Sen. Scott joins Gov. DeSantis in calling for resignation of Florida GOP chair amid rape investigation
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/sen-scott-joins-gov-desantis-in-calling-for-resignation-of-florida-gop-chair-amid-rape-investigation
Although, perhaps when it comes to holding up pictures of "pieces of shit", to public scrutiny, Ronald "pudding fingers" DeSantis, could instead just hold up of a picture of the "bat-shit" crazy Zieglers?
Taking relationship advice from "Incel Elvis 2008", are we now? (...kkkk!) What's next, advice from MDS1? Where you'll be telling me, that since the Zieglers are a LGBTQ/bi-gay couple, they obviously "...just love to rape GIRLS and BOYS?"
And Since they may have already made the jump to "raping GIRLS", then by extension (according to MDS1 logic), one has to wonder...will reports of "BOYS being sexually abused"...soon follow?
And whatever will the moms at Moms for Liberty say? Can you imagine the "bat-shit crazy" talk and the things they'll be saying about their so called righteous leader, I've dubbed "the Ziegler Bi-sexual MILF, Blonde Bimbo, Betrayer of Moms for Liberty"?
This sex scandal, I hope, just rocks the Floridian GOP/Republican foundation to its book-banning, homophobic, hypocritical core. Ronald "pudding fingers" DeSantis, should worry about his own "real shit" to clean up!
MarquisdeSade1
12-06-23, 16:21
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The predictive power of horse-race polling a year from the presidential election is weak at best. The Biden campaign can take some comfort in that. But what recent surveys do reveal is that the coalition that put Joe Biden in the White House in the first place is nowhere near as strong as it was four years ago.
These danger signs include fraying support among core constituencies, including young voters, Black voters and Hispanic voters, and the decline, if not the erasure, of traditional Democratic advantages in representing the interests of the middle class and speaking for the average voter.
Any of these on their own might not be cause for alarm, but taken together they present a dangerous situation for Biden.
From Nov. 5 through Nov. 11, Democracy Corps, a Democratic advisory group founded by Stan Greenberg and James Carville, surveyed 2,500 voters in presidential and Senate battleground states as well as competitive House districts.
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In an email, Greenberg summarized the results: "This is grim. " The study, he said, found that collectively, voters in the Democratic base of "Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, LGBTQ+ community, Gen Z, millennials, unmarried and college women give Trump higher approval ratings than Biden. ".
On 32 subjects ranging from abortion to China, the Democracy Corps survey asked voters to choose which would be better, "Biden and the Democrats" or "Trump and the Republicans. ".
Biden and the Democrats led on six: women's rights (ahead by 17 points), climate change (15 points), addressing racial inequality (10 points), health care (3 points), the president will not be an autocrat (plus 2) and protecting Democracy (plus 1). There was a tie on making democracy more secure.
Donald Trump and the Republicans held leads on the remaining subjects, including being for working people (a 7-point advantage), standing up to elites (8 points), being able to get things done for the American people (12 points), feeling safe (12 points) and keeping wages and salaries up with the cost of living (17 points).
In the case of issues that traditionally favor Republicans, Trump and his allies held commanding leads: patriotism (11 points), crime (17 points), immigration (20 points) and border security (22 points).
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Particularly worrisome for Democrats, who plan to demonize Trump as a threat to democracy, are the advantages Trump and Republicans have on opposing extremism (3 points), getting beyond the chaos (6 points) and protecting the Constitution (8 points).
There is some evidence in both the Democracy Corp survey and in other polls that concerns specific to Biden — including his age and the surge in prices during his presidency — are driving the perception of Democratic weakness rather than discontent with the party itself.
The survey found, for example, that Democratic candidates in House battleground districts are running even with their Republican opponents among all voters, and two points ahead among voters who say they are likely to cast ballots on Election Day.
Along similar lines, a November 2023 NBC News poll found Trump leading Biden by two points, 46-44, but when voters were asked to choose between Trump and an unnamed Democratic candidate, the generic Democrat won 46-40.
In a reflection of both Biden's and Trump's high unfavorability ratings, NBC reported that when voters were asked to choose between Biden and an unnamed generic Republican, the "Republican candidate" led Biden 48-37.
Other nonpartisan polls describe similar Democratic weaknesses. A September Morning Consult survey found, for example, that "voters are now more likely to see the Republican Party as capable of governing, tackling big issues and keeping the country safe compared with the Democratic Party" and that "by a 9-point margin, voters also see the Democratic Party as more ideologically extreme than the G. O. P. ".
In the main, according to Morning Consult, these weaknesses result from declining confidence within Democratic ranks in their own party, rather than strong support for Trump and the Republican Party: "The trends against the Democratic Party are largely driven by worsening perceptions among its own voter base, which suggests that the party will have to rely more than ever on negative partisanship to keep control of the White House. "
Morning Consult posed the same set of questions to voters about the political parties in 2020 and again this year in order to track shifting voter attitudes.
Asked, for example which party is more "capable of governing," 48 percent of voters in 2020 said the Democrats and 42 percent said the Republicans. This year, 47 percent said the Republicans and 44 percent said the Democrats.
Similar shifts occurred on the question of which party will "keep the nation safe" and which party can "tackle the big issues. "
In what amounts to a body blow to Biden and his Democratic allies, Republicans are now virtually tied with Democrats on a matter that has been a mainstay of Democratic support since the formation of the New Deal coalition during the Great Depression. A September 2023 NBC News survey "found that 34 percent of voters believe Republicans are better at looking out for the middle class, while 36 percent say the same of Democrats. The 2-point margin in favor of Democrats is the lowest it has been in the history of the poll. ".
"Democrats have held over 30 years as high as a 29-point advantage as being the party better able to deal with and handle issues of concern to the middle class, " Bill McInturff, a partner in the Republican firm Public Opinion Strategies, which joined with the Democratic firm Hart Research to conduct the NBC poll, told me.
Neil Newhouse, who is also a partner at Public Opinion Strategies, emailed me to say that the opinion trends among Black and Hispanic voters "are figures G. O. P. 'ers could only dream about a few years ago. ".
Although many of those with whom I discussed the data voiced deep concern over Biden's prospects, let me cite a couple of experts who are more optimistic.
Simon Rosenberg, a veteran Democratic operative and former president of the New Democratic Network, emailed me a series of bullet points:
The last four presidential elections have gone 51 percent-46 percent Democratic, best run for Dems since F. The. Are. 's elections. Only 1 are — George W. Bush 2004 — has broken 48 percent since the 1992 election, and Dems have won more votes in seven of last eight presidential elections. If there is a party with a coalition problem, it is them, not us.
Our performance since Dobbs remains remarkable, and important. In 2022 we gained in AZ, CO, GA, MI, MN, NH, PA over 2020, getting to 59 percent in CO, 57 percent in PA, 55 percent in MI, 54 percent in NH in that "red wave" year. This year we've won and outperformed across the country in every kind of election, essentially leaving this a blue wave year.
We got to 56 percent in the WI SCOTUS race, 57 percent in Ohio, flipped Colorado Springs and Jacksonville, flipped the VA House, Kentucky Governor Andrew Beshear grew his margin, we won mayoralties and school board races across the United States. Elections are about winning and losing, and we keep winning and they keep losing.
In a recent post on his Substack, "Why I Am Optimistic About 2024," Rosenberg elaborated:
Opposition and fear of MAGA is the dominant force in USA Politics today, and that is a big problem for super-MAGA Trump in 2024. Fear and opposition to MAGA has been propelling our electoral wins since 2018, and will almost certainly do so again next year.
Alex Theodoridis, a political scientist at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst, expressed similar optimism concerning Biden's chances: "Once Democrats come to terms with the fact that Biden will be the nominee (and, more importantly, that Trump will in all likelihood be the G. O. P. Nominee), a lot of the internal malaise expressed in current polls should dissipate. "
When Biden begins campaigning in earnest, Theodoridis wrote.
He will likely still come across as relatively competent and steady. And, while Trump always looms over G. O. P. Politics, we will certainly see more coverage of him as G. O. P. Nominee to remind less engaged Democrats and the few true independents that he is a deeply flawed figure who has and would again pose a real threat to our Republic.
When voters finally make up their minds, Theodoridis predicted, "The anti-MAGA, pro-democracy, pro-reproductive-rights message that has boosted turnout and served Democratic candidates well the last two Novembers will likely do so again. ".
Jim Kessler, a senior vice president of Third Way, a Democratic think tank, is nowhere near as confident in Democratic prospects as Rosenberg and Theodoridis are. In an email, Kessler observed that polls at this time need to be taken with a grain of salt — remarking that in 1991, George H. W. Bush appeared to be the prohibitive favorite to win a second term and that in 2011, Mitt Romney was well ahead of President Barack Obama.
In addition, Kessler wrote, in the past month.
The price of gasoline has fallen 20 cents to a national average of $3. 24 a gallon. Headline and core inflation have begun their final descent toward benign, historic levels. Interest rates have fallen about 40 basis points in the past several months. The so-called "misery index" (inflation + unemployment rate) could very well be at a level that is incumbent friendly.
That said, Kessler continued, there are clear danger signs:
Biden won in 2020 because he was perceived as having a more positive brand than the Democratic Party. That brand advantage over the Democratic Party is now gone. Exhibits A and be are crime and immigration. In 2020, Biden was perceived as tougher on crime and the border than the typical Democrat.
In one primary debate, Kessler pointed out.
Biden was the only candidate onstage not to raise his hand on a question that essentially could be interpreted as wanting open borders. He also loudly and repeatedly voiced his opposition to "defund the police" and never ran away from the 1994 crime bill that he authored in the Senate.
That, in Kessler's view, "is not the Joe Biden voters are hearing today. Voters actually hear almost nothing from the administration on crime or the border, and this allows the opposition to define them on an issue of great salience. ".
Biden, Kessler argued, has a credible record on tougher border enforcement and cracking down on crime, but he and other members of the administration don't promote it.
Because these are issues on which our active, progressive base is split. But if you are silent on these issues, it is like an admission of guilt to voters. They believe you do not care or are dismissive of their very real concerns. That means Biden must accept some griping from the left to get this story out to the vast middle.
Will Marshall, president and founder of the center-left Public Policy Institute think tank, responded to my query with an emailed question: "Trump is Kryptonite for American democracy, so why isn't President Biden leading him by 15 points?
Marshall's answer:
Biden's basic problem is that the Democratic Party keeps shrinking, leaving it with a drastically slender margin of error. It's losing working class voters — whites — by enormous, 30-point margins — but nonwhites without college degrees are slipping away too.
The ascendance of largely white, college-educated liberals within party ranks, in Marshall's view, has.
Pushed Democrats far to the dogmatic left, even as their base grows smaller. Young progressives have identified the party with stances on immigration, crime, gender, climate change and Palestinian resistance that are so far from mainstream sentiment that they can even eclipse MAGA extremism.
"Democrats," Marshall wrote, in a line of argument similar to Kessler's.
Have been aiming at the wrong target and have less than a year to adjust their sights. That means putting high prices and living costs front and center, embracing cultural pragmatism, confronting left-wing radicalism on the border, public safety and Israel and embracing a post-populist economics that speaks to working Americans' aspirations for growth and upward mobility rather than their presumed sense of economic victimhood.
Jacob Hacker, a political scientist at Yale, contended that the view of Biden and the Democratic Party as elitist and weak on the very values that were Democratic strengths in the past lacks foundation in practice. Instead, the adverse portrait of the Democrats represents a major success on the part of right-wing media — and a complicit mainstream media — in creating a false picture of the party.
In a forthcoming paper, "Bridging the Blue Divide: The Democrats' New Metro Coalition and the Unexpected Prominence of Redistribution," Hacker said he and three colleagues found that.
Democrats have not changed their orientation nearly as much as critics of the party argue. In particular, the party has not shifted its emphasis from economic to social / identity issues, nor has it moderated its economic positions overall. Instead, it has placed a high priority on an ambitious economic program that involves a wider range of policy aims and instruments than in the past (including industrial policy and pro-labor initiatives as well as social and health policies and public investments) as well as levels of public spending that dwarf those contemplated by party elites in at least a half century.
Why then, Hacker asked, is "the Democratic Party widely perceived to have abandoned pocketbook politics in favor of identity politics?
His answer:
Conservative media have relentlessly focused on this critique and there's strong evidence that media framing shapes how voters view the parties. Indeed, the role of the media in shaping the negative current climate — including more mainstream sources — should not be neglected. The obsessions of right-wing media with the "wokeness" of the Democratic Party seeps into the broader media coverage, and mainstream sources focus on criticisms of the Democrats, in part to uphold their nonpartisan ideal.
Ryan Enos, a political scientist at Harvard, warned that there are major consequences that could result from the weakness of Biden's support. In an email, Enos wrote:
There is no doubt that Democrats and — given that the likely Republican nominee is a would-be authoritarian — Americans more generally should be alarmed by Biden's poll numbers. He is saddled with the need to dig economic perceptions out of a deep inflationary hole, an unsteady international world and the view that his party went too far to the left on social issues.
If the election were held today, Enos argued, "Biden would likely lose. ".
During the campaign, "Biden's numbers will improve," Enos wrote, but Biden faces a large number of idealistic young voters who may.
Never come back to him because they believe that he has abandoned the core values that animated their support in the first place. Faced with the reality of surging immigration across the southern border, Biden has largely failed to liberalize his administration's approach to immigration — in fact, he has left much of the Trump era policies in place. To many young voters, who were first attracted to Biden's social progressivism, such moves may feel like a betrayal. Additionally, Biden has seemed to greenlight Israel's campaign of violence against civilians in Gaza. Especially for young voters of color, this seems like a betrayal and could cost Biden crucial states such as Michigan.
Jonathan Weiler, a political scientist at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill, stands somewhere between Rosenberg and Marshall.
"There's no gainsaying Biden's poor polling numbers at the present," Weiler wrote by email:
However unhinged Trump appears increasingly to be, for now that's an abstraction for many voters. In the meantime, what they see in ways that feel up close and personal are signs of an unsettled and unsettling world impinging on their day to day lives, including inflation, higher crime and a big increase in migrants across our southern border and into cities around the United States.
On the plus side for Biden, Weiler wrote, "the data show clearly that inflation is trending substantially downward. " In addition.
Violent crime has returned to prepandemic levels. Americans always think crime is going up, no matter what the data say. But if the actual drop in crime results in people thinking about it less, that could also lessen people's sense of a chaotic and unsettled reality.
Rogers Smith, a political scientist at the University of Pennsylvania, made the case that Biden's age and his visible infirmities interfere with his ability to reassure the electorate:
The biggest factor that is neglected in many polls is the widespread belief that Biden is simply too old and insufficiently vigorous to remain president for four more years. This belief is reinforced by the reality that Biden does not inspire confidence in his vigor or energy in most of his public presentations. The problem is particularly acute among young voters but goes throughout the electorate, Democrats and Republicans alike. It means that voters don't give much weight to Biden's arguments on the issues.
Democrats are trapped, Smith maintained:
None will challenge Biden; he must choose to step aside. If he did so, he would feel compelled to support Kamala Harris. But most Democrats, and probably Biden himself, rightly believe that she would do even worse than he is doing.
The one ace in the hole for Democrats is Donald Trump himself. As the center of attention in the elections of 2018,2020 and even 2022, Trump was the key to Democratic victory. Trump is doing all he can to become the focus in 2024, but the question remains whether the Democrats, with Biden at the top of the ticket, can successfully demonize him again.
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PURE FUCKING GOLD.
In an email, Greenberg summarized the results: "This is grim. " The study, he said, found that collectively, voters in the Democratic base of "Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, LGBTQ+ community, Gen Z, millennials, unmarried and college women give Trump higher approval ratings than Biden. ".
MarquisdeSade1
12-06-23, 19:58
"Fighting satan aka the DNC and the deep state.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/12/05/speaker-mike-johnson-tables-move-slip-deep-state-reauthorization-defense-bill/
I think maybe, Mike Lee could be a great VP for King Trump 2024."
Mike Lee / Andy Biggs ticket in 2028.
The MAGA bench is rock solid from today on, the Democratic side ROTFLMMFAO.
My link substantiated my point. Your link substantiated nothing
regarding jobs and wages.
regarding jobs and wages.
Wasn't this your admission about your link not supporting the notion that Trump and his Repubs' TCJA measurably increased hiring or wages? And certainly not by 2020, the last year of Trump's so-called presidency and when his years' long efforts to identify and facilitate the inevitable Great Repub Economic Crash and Massive Jobs Destruction as is required of all Repub potuses came to fruition?I'll repost the link to the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) paper here. Thirty-nine Nobel Prize winners in economics, 14 members of the Presidents' Council of Eonomic Advisors, and three of the four authors of the paper in question were members of the nonpartisan NBER.
https://conference.nber.org/conf_papers/f191672.pdf
Actually the link does "support the notion that Trump and his Repubs' TCJA measurably increased hiring or wages." It just doesn't attempt to quantify the increase.
Please see Figure 9 on page 45. The blue line shows the estimated increase in labor taxes as a % of the pre-TCJA corporate tax revenue, which results from implementation of the TCJA. By the third year (2020), labor taxes are up by 10% of corporate revenue, and by year 10, they're 15% of corporate revenue. The increase in labor taxes results from an increase in (a) wages and (b) employment, as a result of the TCJA. Again, I'm not saying the corporate tax changes in the TCJA are / were entirely responsible for lower unemployment and higher real wages, but I believe they were partly responsible.
The effect on tax revenues is interesting. You sum the solid red and blue lines on the graph to come up with the net change in corporate tax revenues. In the initial years, the drop in corporate tax revenues is greater than the increase in labor taxes, so the net effect is lower total tax revenues. After year 4 though, total tax revenues are actually higher than they would have been without the TCJA. Go out to year 20, and the Treasury is collecting 18% more tax revenue, expressed as a % of pre-TCJA corporate tax revenue, than it would have otherwise! That's why I say there were no losers here, only winners. The companies, the workers and the Treasury all benefit.
This is a good example of how a Republican led change in policy resulted in benefits to the economy years after it was first implemented. The measures passed during the Biden administration, in particular the American Rescue Plan, were more like sugar highs. They boost the economy while the money's being spent, but then the longer term repercussions, like the increase in the national debt, don't justify the short term high. Admittedly there are long term gains to be had from, for example, the bipartisan infrastructure bill. But given all the pork and inefficiency associated with the Federal bill, I believe local and state fixes for most infrastructure shortcomings are a better way of dealing with inadequate and outdated infrastructure.
So then you nitpick over my link that substantiates unequivally that wages were raised and how they were raised in dozens of states and cities in 2020. Mostly blue states and blue cities, where the vast majority of the Labor Force of the United States of America reside anyway. LOL.
How does raising the minimum wage of a relatively small percent of the labor force matter to the overall increase in wages and bring more workers into the force?
Well, first of all it did it a damn sight better, more effectively and provably so than anything you have ever shown that idiotic TCJA did.
Second, raising the minimum wage for new, entry and lower level jobs will logically force employers to raise the wages of those who have been working for them for years in higher level, higher responsibility jobs. This generates a ripple effect. Similar to the ripple effect we all just saw the UAW create in the auto industry where even non union manufacturers had to up their game with their employees too or risk losing them. If a longer term and presumably more experienced and skilled employee can more easily walk away (those are called "quits" in the labor market) and start fresh at another company with at least some assurance that he / she will be paid a livable wage after the minimum wage has been raised, that employer had better start sweetening the deal for that level of worker as well.Like I said, intuitively I don't believe this made much of a difference, but I'd like to see more info. Here are a list of recent state and local changes in the minimum wage at mid-year 2023.
https://ogletree.com/insights-resources/blog-posts/midyear-2023-state-and-major-locality-minimum-wage-increases/
Are these increases, since the last increase in the minimum wage, in excess of the high inflation that has occurred, coincidentally or not, during the Biden administration? Certainly some of them are not. Take a look at Illiniois.
Similarly, if you want to convince me or anybody else that the changes in 2020 were responsible for significantly higher real wages in 2020, you need to find out when the minimum wage last changed in the various jurisdictions, and the amount of the increases. Additional info about the total number of workers and number who were receiving less than the minimum wage would be needed too.
While I believe in the majority of or most cases, increased minimum wages are a good idea, please note that higher minimum wages result in lower employment. Or that's the conventional wisdom. I suspect your belief that a higher minimum wage could bring more people into the labor force may be valid when there's a shortage of labor, like right now. I have to give you credit for thinking out of the box about that.
You and I presented charts showing "median usual weekly real earnings" and median real household income. All minimum wage workers receive less than the median. Increases in minimum wages would only increase the median figures to the extent that they push up wages of higher paid workers.
See, this notion that Wingers conjure up to flatter their ego and sell that BS to the masses about that idiotic Repub Supply-Side / Trickle-Down tax and economic philosophy is "good" for lower and middle income earners too and not just applied to make it easier for CEOs to set aflame $1000 bills to light their cigars utterly misses the Real World detail that the last thing most major corporations and companies want to do is hire more employees. They do so when they HAVE TO if it looks like they will not have plenty of those $1000 bill cigar lighters in their future unless they do. Just because Trump and every other Repub puts extra cash in their pocket does not inspire them to hire one more American with it.The NBER paper provides an excellent example of how supply side economics can be a win win for everyone.
LOL. So Trump dared to reverse his pitch that getting a vaccine is unnecessary, naturally got booed for it by his cult followers who never heard him utter such a thing before, and that so terrified him he never uttered it in public again.
Meanwhile:
New COVID Strain May Evade Vaccines, Alarming Health Officials.
Aug. 24, 2023
https://www.webmd.com/covid/news/20230824/new-covid-strain-may-evade-vaccines-alarming-health-officials
Yep, if Trump, his cult followers in and out of the Repub Pink Now Smaller Tinkle House and Senate, DeSantis. RFK Jr and Bill Maher can see to it that just 50,000 - 60,000 more Americans die from Trump's Pandrmic by mocking or denigrating known mitigation and vaccine efforts, they will have successfully Mass Murdered more Americans than were killed in all the military conflicts since and including the Civil War.I'm not worried so much about vaccine hesitancy related to COVID anymore. I am worried about ideas like Democrat Robert F. Kennedy Jr's spreading. Too many parents may refuse to vaccinate their children for other diseases because of concerns about autism and the like. The outcome would not be pretty.
I think maybe, Mike Lee could be a great VP for King Trump 2024.While I disagree with Mike Lee about some social issues and Trump, I believe he'd make a great president. It's interesting you like him, considering he's about as close as you'll come to a Libertarian, on economic policy at least, in the Senate or House.
...the Republicans held leads on the remaining subjects, including being for working people (a 7-point advantage), standing up to elites (8 points), being able to get things done for the American people (12 points), feeling safe (12 points) and keeping wages and salaries up with the cost of living (17 points).
The American people are wiser than some believe.
And whatever will the moms at Moms for Liberty say? Can you imagine the "bat-shit crazy" talk and the things they'll be saying about their so called righteous leader, I've dubbed "the Ziegler Bi-sexual MILF, Blonde Bimbo, Betrayer of Moms for Liberty"?Bat shit crazy women are better in bed. In my college years, there were more of them in the Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigade (RCYB) than the Young Republicans, even though there were a lot more Young Republicans. You had to be willing to put up with women with hairy underarms though if you were going to date RCYB chicks.
I'll repost the link to the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) paper here. Thirty-nine Nobel Prize winners in economics, 14 members of the Presidents' Council of Eonomic Advisors, and three of the four authors of the paper in question were members of the nonpartisan NBER.
https://conference.nber.org/conf_papers/f191672.pdf
Actually the link does "support the notion that Trump and his Repubs' TCJA measurably increased hiring or wages." It just doesn't attempt to quantify the increase.
Please see Figure 9 on page 45. The blue line shows the estimated increase in labor taxes as a % of the pre-TCJA corporate tax revenue, which results from implementation of the TCJA. By the third year (2020), labor taxes are up by 10% of corporate revenue, and by year 10, they're 15% of corporate revenue. The increase in labor taxes results from an increase in (a) wages and (b) employment, as a result of the TCJA. Again, I'm not saying the corporate tax changes in the TCJA are / were entirely responsible for lower unemployment and higher real wages, but I believe they were partly responsible.
The effect on tax revenues is interesting. You sum the solid red and blue lines on the graph to come up with the net change in corporate tax revenues. In the initial years, the drop in corporate tax revenues is greater than the increase in labor taxes, so the net effect is lower total tax revenues. After year 4 though, total tax revenues are actually higher than they would have been without the TCJA. Go out to year 20, and the Treasury is collecting 18% more tax revenue, expressed as a % of pre-TCJA corporate tax revenue, than it would have otherwise! That's why I say there were no losers here, only winners. The companies, the workers and the Treasury all benefit.
This is a good example of how a Republican led change in policy resulted in benefits to the economy years after it was first implemented. The measures passed during the Biden administration, in particular the American Rescue Plan, were more like sugar highs. They boost the economy while the money's being spent, but then the longer term repercussions, like the increase in the national debt, don't justify the short term high. Admittedly there are long term gains to be had from, for example, the bipartisan infrastructure bill. But given all the pork and inefficiency associated with the Federal bill, I believe local and state fixes for most infrastructure shortcomings are a better way of dealing with inadequate and outdated infrastructure.
Like I said, intuitively I don't believe this made much of a difference, but I'd like to see more info. Here are a list of recent state and local changes in the minimum wage at mid-year 2023.
https://ogletree.com/insights-resources/blog-posts/midyear-2023-state-and-major-locality-minimum-wage-increases/
Are these increases, since the last increase in the minimum wage, in excess of the high inflation that has occurred, coincidentally or not, during the Biden administration? Certainly some of them are not. Take a look at Illiniois..Isn't it wonderful for Repubs that they take over from Dems with the USA economy doing so well, so stable and with trajectories heading upward on virtually all positive metrics that they can just kick back, put big bucks into their donor base pockets and wait ten years or more to see if any of it trickles down to anyone else and possibly produces anything at all noticeable even after the likely addition to the deficit is that lovely $1. 5 Trillion that apparently never bothers economy academics?
I mean, verses the conditions Dems encounter when they take over from those same Repubs where the USA economy is Crashing Down around our ears, jobs are being wiped out by the millions upon millions, brave free-market Capitalists are diving under their beds and wouldn't be coaxed out from under it to tip-toe back into the light if day even in 20 years unless they are assured that somebody else, invariably the Federal Government, will do whatever is necessary and this very minute to reactivate the Sun and make the road ahead smooth as far as the eye can see. Oh, and why didn't those economic slacker Dems accomplish all of that and save the World "yesterday", what is this shit about "wait ten years and we'll see"? Dammit, there are NO JOBS, NO FOOD, NO WATER now! LOL.
And the thing is it doesn't matter if America gives Repub economic policy and stewardship 4 years, 8 years or an uninterrupted 12 years to work its "magic" on the economy. Repubs are apparently contractually obligated to search out and facilitate whatever "Once in a Hundred Years" or "Unprecedented" Disaster is available or handy to exploit and embrace in order to make absolutely certain that no "win-win" ever occurs in the Real World and instead that the Incoming Dem is met with either millions upon millions of jobs being wiped out or, at best, utterly lackluster job numbers were created while the deficit has hit historic highs to buy those lackluster results. Either way, we get the usual Crap Results ftom Repubs, no matter how pie-in-the-sky 10,000 Nobel Prize-Winning economists said it would be if we all just hold tight and wait ten years with none of those wild coincidental-only-to-Repubs Disasters happening between now and then. And when, not if, it does happen, nobody is going to remember what those silly predictions were ten years earlier anyway.
In my college years, there were more of them in the Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigade (RCYB) than the Young Republicans, even though there were a lot more Young Republicans. You had to be willing to put up with women with hairy underarms though if you were going to date RCYB chicks. Sounds like your dates could have undertaken a Brazilian waxing or two, or three?
Bat shit crazy women are better in bed. I wouldn't know, but if that's your thing...hey, no judgement here! Perhaps that would explain why more Repubs, are willing to put up with "bat-shit crazy" from Trump, because they're used to it, from their Repub wives/women...kkkk!
Personally have a very low tolerance for "bat-shit crazy" anything in my life, let alone in my bed.
Listen: 911 tape released in criminal investigation of Florida GOP chairman Christian Ziegler. She told me she was raped yesterday and shes scared to leave her house. ...
She wont answer anyone else at work except for me but she told me she was raped yesterday and that shes scared to leave her house, said the caller. Shes saying shes scared, that the person that raped her came to her house, that shes scared to leave. ...
https://flcga.org/listen-911-tape-released-in-criminal-investigation-of-florida-gop-chairman-christian-ziegler-she-told-me-she-was-raped-yesterday-and-shes-scared-to-leave-her-house/
But judging by the 911 call, it would appear, Christian Ziegler, the chairman of the Republican Party of Florida, is perhaps the person that went "bat-shit crazy" and then "ape-shit crazy". The accused/alleged perpetrator, Christian Ziegler, looks to have really done a number on this woman, who he apparently has known for 3-yrs. With Republican friends like Ziegler, who needs enemies???
Well, no doubt, if Repubs/Wingers are true to form, Moms for Liberty, will simply look to this latest right-wing sex scandal shocker in Florida, as a branding problem and rebrand...
May I suggest, MILFs for Liberty" (...kkkk!).
Isn't it wonderful for Repubs that they take over from Dems with the USA economy doing so well, so stable and with trajectories heading upward on virtually all positive metrics that they can just kick back, put big bucks into their donor base pockets and wait ten years or more to see if any of it trickles down to anyone else and possibly produces anything at all noticeable even after the likely addition to the deficit is that lovely $1. 5 Trillion that apparently never bothers economy academics?
I mean, verses the conditions Dems encounter when they take over from those same Repubs where the USA economy is Crashing Down around our ears, jobs are being wiped out by the millions upon millions, brave free-market Capitalists are diving under their beds and wouldn't be coaxed out from under it to tip-toe back into the light if day even in 20 years unless they are assured that somebody else, invariably the Federal Government, will do whatever is necessary and this very minute to reactivate the Sun and make the road ahead smooth as far as the eye can see. Oh, and why didn't those economic slacker Dems accomplish all of that and save the World "yesterday", what is this shit about "wait ten years and we'll see"? Dammit, there are NO JOBS, NO FOOD, NO WATER now! LOL.
And the thing is it doesn't matter if America gives Repub economic policy and stewardship 4 years, 8 years or an uninterrupted 12 years to work its "magic" on the economy. Repubs are apparently contractually obligated to search out and facilitate whatever "Once in a Hundred Years" or "Unprecedented" Disaster is available or handy to exploit and embrace in order to make absolutely certain that no "win-win" ever occurs in the Real World and instead that the Incoming Dem is met with either millions upon millions of jobs being wiped out or, at best, utterly lackluster job numbers were created while the deficit has hit historic highs to buy those lackluster results. Either way, we get the usual Crap Results ftom Repubs, no matter how pie-in-the-sky 10,000 Nobel Prize-Winning economists said it would be if we all just hold tight and wait ten years with none of those wild coincidental-only-to-Repubs Disasters happening between now and then. And when, not if, it does happen, nobody is going to remember what those silly predictions were ten years earlier anyway.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KoXt9pZLGM
Please note he's singing "I'm proud to be an American," and "God bless the USA". Not "I'm proud to be a Democrat." Or "God bless the Democratic Party."
May I suggest, MILFs for Liberty" (...kkkk!).Hell yeah! MILF's for Liberty! I'll take one of those over a hairy Commie any day! Maybe Lauren Boebert's a member? That MILF has some fine tata's!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KoXt9pZLGM
Please note he's singing "I'm proud to be an American," and "God bless the USA". Not "I'm proud to be a Democrat." Or "God bless the Democratic Party."How awful for him to consider all choruses of "I'm proud to be an American" and "God bless the USA" that he sang all through Reagan's Great Recession and Skyrocketing Unemployment Rate, Bush1's pathetically low jobs creation and prolonged recession, GW Bush's horrific double Recessions including still another Great Repub Recession and Massive Jobs Destruction and Donald Trump's creation and exacerbation of Trump's Pandemic, Wiping Out Millions Upon Millions of Jobs as well as Mass Murdering more than a Million Americans so far before it damn well should have dawned on Greenwood that he should have slanted his lyrics a wee bit more toward a pro Democratic Party Partisan direction if he really gave a shit at all about America, Americans and the workingman.
What a sad lost opportunity and waste of his talent for so many critical years.
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