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I think if they took a poll again, it would be 90% for Trump. People tend to go along with a crowd. I was used to Biden being so out of it so it did not bug me much seeing him. He even made a good point or two, but the media has been showing his gaffes and distorted facial expressions nonstop.
And I do not know what you are talking about with regards to panic and Romney v Obama. Romney and Dole were probably the two worst Republican candidates in 50 years. Any poll putting Romney over Obama had huge flaws, and no one was talking about Obama being replaced or Obama being mentally incompetent.
The thing about the debate and the people who thought Biden won were fools like you. You have been going on with your Thanks, Joe nonsense and not seeing Biden for the bumbling shell of a man that much of the country has now seen with its own eyes. Be.
The most telling question was about mental and physical competence. Trump said he recently won two golf tournaments, and it demonstrates what we all know. Trump still has it mentally and physically. Golf is a challenging mental and physical game.
With Biden, he says he has a 6 handicap in golf. Then a second later, he says he had an 8 handicap when he was vice president after Trump says that was his worst lie of the night. Later on, that night, we see Jill Biden helping Joe down the stairs. That video was not supposed to be shot, and we see her talking to her husband like a kindergartener, "Oh, Joe, you answered all those questions. ".
At this point, anyone who thinks Joe Biden is mentally and physically fit to be president is fucking nuts.
LOL. The Republican media is not reporting anything new. They are doing a round of we told you so. This is a hilarious bit on Gutfield scolding the media for lying about Biden: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy0-atnrWZE.
What is funny is with the liberal media we are seeing the same thing as we did with Covid. They are playing the "never mind, we never said that" game with Biden's incompetence. Just like they never advocated for school closings, social distancing, or hawking ineffective vaccines, now the deep state has told the media criticizing Biden's mental incompetence is okay. The NYT, WaPo, MSNBC, and Politico have completely flipped their script yet again. The more honest members of the liberal media like Bill Maher have been screaming about Biden's incompetence for months.
MSNBC's Morning Joe was the target in this video showing the hypocrisy of the liberal media but it could have been any of the liberal press. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URo8ntbyQ6o.
Well, even that is a positive now. That Biden was not charged criminally for having top secret documents in his home does not mean Biden is not a criminal. The reason given to not prosecute Biden was he was not mentally competent to stand trial and anyone who saw the debate knows that to be true.
So no one is voting FOR Biden anymore including you. If you cannot see that you are blind. You are voting against Trump and for a deep state cabal. Biden's body may still be functioning somewhat but his mind is gone.That poll was taken of people who had just watched the debate.
I would not say Biden "won" the debate. These debates are television quiz shows that have nothing to do with how a president has a meeting, discusses options, determines policy, makes a decision or anything of the kind. What are the winning points of a televised debate like that? The one who spoke the loudest? Uses the most words? Came up with the funniest pre-written joke and retort?
Absolutely, if we're scoring on truthfulness, Biden won hands down.
Absolutely, if we're scoring on positive policy plans for a 2nd term, Biden won hands down.
I hope most people noticed those two things regardless whether they scored on anything else.
That is all I was looking for. And many others probably feel the same.
Like me, many people already knew about Biden's verbal problems and were not disturbed by him mistakenly switching the word "Medicare" for "Covid" or fumbling phrases here and there or even losing a train of thought mid-sentence, all of which many of us do all time, especially when we are more concerned about how things look and sound in public rather than simply talking out loud.
I have seen debates where people known to be sharp as a tack would stop at precisely the same point at the end of a reply as Biden did that one time and literally say, "I'm sorry. What was the first part of your question"?
And so have you.
But Biden was in a position where he can't even do that perfectly normal thing without pundits and viewers saying "aHA! There it is! Cognitive impairment"!
I know a lot of people will not give Biden the benefit of putting that much thought into it. It remains to be seen which side prevails.
The fact that Biden overcomes any of his verbal or stuttering issues that crop up in big public oratory events and does not exhibit any such problem when reading prepared statements that he has clearly participated in crafting, writing and approving, even doing so better than Trump can, disproves any claim of him being cognitively impaired.
Cognitive Impairment does not vanish just because you are reading your rally speeches on a teleprompter. When Biden does that he does not stutter and fumble nearly as much as Trump does when he does the same thing. And he clearly demonstrates more understanding of what the words and phrases mean, what to emphasis and how to emphasis it or soft speak it on the fly even if the speech is over an our long.
No cognitively impaired, senile, alzheimer disease victim can do that as well as Biden can and does every day right up to today.
In keeping with every other lying response Trump gave to every other question at the debate, when the moderators could finally get him to hear and understand the question well enough to answer with something remotely related to the topic of the question, Trump was even lying about his golf handicap:
Trumps Own Reported Golf Scores Reveal He Cheats.
Chipping away at the strangest issue raised at the presidential debate.
June 28, 2024
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/trump-reported-golf-scores-reveal-he-cheats
Explaining why he believes he is in very good health, Trump said I just won two club championships, not even senior, two regular club championships.
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Biden, once an avid golfer, has hit the links a couple of dozen times as president so far. Trump spent all or part of about 300 days of his presidency golfing, more than any other president.
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In other words, Trump ignored the systems requirements and reported just the scores needed to produce the desired ego-inflating low-single-digit handicap, including made-up scores like that 70 especially made-up scores like that 70. And despite the many games he has played in the last four years, he has posted only one additional score to GHIN since 2020, and it was sufficient to drop his official USGA handicap index from 2.8 to 2.5.
In still other words, he lied.
LOL. Shrewdly, Biden did not just laugh off Trump's lie about his golf tournament record. He probably already knew Trump lies and cheats at golf every bit as much as he lies and cheats at everything else, meaning constantly. So he nursed along the topic that Trump brought up himself in order to lure him into blathering even more Trump material to blast with a simple Factcheck.
Since when did right-wing, knuckle dragging, cro magnon, Rupukeians start citing the New York times as a source of credible news? As the man would say, what a pile of hypocritical, stinky "mularkey"! Papa Joe isn't going anywhere! And he's going to whup Felonious Chump's fat, lying ass one more time. Watch, wait, and see.Over the decades, Wingers finally figured out that what Mainstream Media like the New York Times want and invariably get when Repubs win elections is the same thing they want;.
"DISASTER HAS STRUCK AGAIN"! . headlines.
Bad news is good for the media. Disastrous news is even better.
That is what Wingers want for America, too. That is why they vote for Repubs instead of Dems.
And that is also why MSM help Repubs win elections at every opportunity by downplaying the Repubs' horrific economic and national security policy and stewardship results throughout history right up to Trump and spectacularly good economic and national security policy results for Dems throughout history right up to Biden.
And how much has debate performance shown to determine the outcome of elections?
Zero.
Biden is still very much on track to win a 2nd term despite MSM pundits' extraordinary but typically pro Repub focus on a few spineless Dem hand-wringers:
https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1807262388913332389/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1807262388913332389¤tTweetUser=MeidasTouch
If I were stuck somewhere and Trump pulled up in a car and offered to drive me somewhere, I would hop right in.If you were stuck somewhere and Trump was driving around, he would pull closer and splash you with a poodle.
To quote Jimmy Dore, Trump is a glorified game show host. If you hate someone who is a glorified game show host this much that you actually care about what happens to him when he is not in office, you need to get a life.That's pretty rich coming from you! You're the one with a zillion posts in this thread referring to people as "douches" because they hold political beliefs different from your own. Doesn't exactly come across as "love" to me LOL! Have a look in the mirror. Then practice what you preach.
You're one of the dumasses-- DJT shall Win by such a huge margin-- the election shall not be stealable like in 2020-.Well time is going to tell isn't it? And if you believe the election was stolen in 2020 then no you are the anti-democracy, dangerous, dumbass who must be stopped.
So says Allen Lichtman, a genuine Political Scientist, with a 90% success rate in predicting presidential election outcomes since 1984.
Actually, it would be 100% if only Florida had not been ordered to stop counting the 2000 Election ballots by the 5 Repubs in the SCOTUS as long as GW Bush was still squeaking out a 537 vote lead. My god. Imagine how much better America and the rest of the world would be today if only Bill Maher had not so repeatedly slammed Democrats while endorsing Ralph Nader that time.
But I digress.
Here is Allen Lichtman making the case for why it would be "foolhardy nonsense" for the Dems to replace Biden in this election. At the end is a nice followup discussion with 2 former Repub Campaign contributors where the smarter one of the two, Stuart Stevens, explains why any person would be stunned like a deer in the headlights if his debate opponent was given free rein to firehouse a steady stream of preposterous lies as Trump was allowed to do by the CNN debate moderators:
https://youtu.be/Pt8eRZTas_Q?si=1gayEvEX2K9Env7H
And here is Stuart Stevens' NYT article that few if any Wingers are citing today:
Democrats: Stop Panicking
https://dnyuz.com/2024/06/29/democrats-stop-panicking/
Elvis 2008
06-30-24, 16:47
That poll was taken of people who had just watched the debate.Yes, and when people saw the Obama-Romney debate, the initial vote was Romney was ahead by a little. Subsequent polls showed Romney slaughtered Obama because people are herd animals and want to go to the winning side.
I would not say Biden "won" the debate. These debates are television quiz shows that have nothing to do with how a president has a meeting, discusses options, determines policy, makes a decision or anything of the kind. What are the winning points of a televised debate like that? The one who spoke the loudest? Uses the most words? Came up with the funniest pre-written joke and retort?
Absolutely, if we're scoring on truthfulness, Biden won hands down..Tooms, with you, good is Democrat and bad is Republican. When you say I would not say Biden won the debate, that is Thailand Tooms talk for Biden got his ass kicked. The funny part is not that Trump kicked Biden's ass and won, but Biden kicked his own ass and lost. Still, you cannot say Democrat bad with anything.
It is so funny to see Dems in panic mode one minute and think they have to switch out Biden. That was attempted spin #1. We have to get someone else. Then the dumb Dems realize they can't because Joe will not leave, which I said was the case, and then turn around and do spin #2. Now the debate is about honesty and vison. It was not about incompetence or cognition.
So here are you are on posting the latest hopium bullshit when if you were paying attention, it has already been shot down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py1id2nWLoU.
The boring part about the honesty bit is Biden has been a serial liar since he was elected to Congress. That is not new. The new part is the video of Biden playing golf and the clip of him getting off the stage in the debate. This reminds me of HRC falling down, but it was worse. Biden not only had Jill helping him down step by step, there were two men waiting to catch Biden if he fell, and there were like four stairs. Thing is Trump has a comedy bit about it.
The other funny part is Biden is going down to talk to his friends at CNN while Trump like runs alone off the stage. Trump was in enemy country and we knew it. The shocking part about the CNN moderators is that for the most part they were fair, and that caused Keith Olbermann, God what a douche that guy is, to lose his shit. He screamed that CNN should have fact checked Trump but also in the video, you see CNN fact checked Biden. So Olbermann was bitching at CNN for not being biased. LOL.
Of course, the CNN moderators now get that because of the Democratic douches and "rule of law" BS if Trump wins, it is easy for them to be put in jail. We can do the rule of law shit too where we just make up the law, ignore the statue of limitations, have a biased judge and jury, and jail someone. If Jake tapper were not fair, we Republicans would make it our mission to get Jake Tapper a cell next to Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro.
Finally, I have to give a shout out to the Dems who have been honest. Sadly, there have been very few. Steven A Smith tweeted this, So do y'all finally want to stop arguing with me about Biden now? Have your fears now been confirmed? Somebody. Please help! Biden's team wanted this? His staff, His loved ones. How could you put him out there like that! How could you!
With black people, Steven A Smith was telling the truth and got beat up by the NAACP. The video is even better: https://x.com/franko_ufo/status/1807195108904677585.
Elvis 2008
06-30-24, 17:05
If you were stuck somewhere and Trump was driving around, he would pull closer and splash you with a poodle.And Cane asks me why I call you guys douches.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-quiet-acts-kindness/
"A rabbi's critically ill son needs to get from NYC to California for specialty care. No airlines will fly him. The generous man uses his private jet to fly the child. "
Another accurate description, which we addressed at greater length in a 2015 fact check. In July 1988, the Ten family needed to travel to New York for urgent medical treatment for their three-year-old son Andrew Ten, who had a rare respiratory condition. Because Andrew required the constant aid of a respirator and life support machine but commercial airlines could not accommodate that equipment, the family could not travel to New York on a conventional flight.
The boy's father, Harold Ten, an orthodox Jewish rabbi, contacted Trump to ask for the use of his private jet, and the property magnate agreed without hesitation, according to a contemporaneous report by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency:
Asked why he thought Trump made his private jet available, Ten replied, "Because he is a good man. He has three children of his own and he knows what being a parent is all about. " Ten said he believes that Trump fulfilled the Talmudic saying that "he who saves one person's life is as if he saved the entire world. "
Among the relatives at the airport to greet the child and his parents were the paternal grandparents of the sick boy. "Donald Trump is a miracle, just a miracle," said grandmother Feigy Ten, who came to the airport with her husband, Phillip Ten. Both grandparents thanked Trump's generosity over and over again.
And Xpartan, I know how you will react. Yeah, that is not true. Trump would splash you with his car if you needed a ride. Ha ha ha!
This is one of those liberal fact checkers that did the story, but that will not matter to you. You believe what you do and find facts to support your belief instead of looking for truth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9d4xZEgZ9E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nHLuw9ZDoo
I'd bang Amber Rose before I'd bang Taylor Swift.
We have all heard the incessant whining, whimpering, wild conspiracy theories and neverending lame excuses for why everyone who knows Trump, works with Trump, has ever seen, heard and observed Trump, as well as Trump himself, is certain he will totally fuck it up on style, technique and, most assuredly, on content vs "a feeble old man who can't walk, can't talk, can't put two words together, doesn't know who he is or where he is unless he chugs a quart of Mountain Dew moments before airtime. "I don't know about the first part of your post, but you nailed it at the end, the bold text.
I don't know about the first part of your post, but you nailed it at the end, the bold text.Biden had problems. But they were not what Trump / Wingers repeatedly claimed, what I wrote and what you highlighted.
But anyone who predicted Trump would lie in every answer got it right. And they could have added that Trump was going to try to dodge answering many if not most of the questions and they would have gotten that part right, too.
It seems most Americans are about as fine with a verbally weak truth-teller with a superior record of results as POTUS as they are disturbed by a fast-talking liar with the worst record of results in history as a so-called potus after the 1st debate as they were before it:
Warning Signs For Biden: Post-Debate Polls Show More Voters Worried About Bidens FitnessBut Race Still Virtually Tied.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2024/06/29/warning-signs-for-biden-post-debate-polls-show-more-voters-worried-about-bidens-fitness-but-race-still-virtually-tied/
The first polls released after Thursdays presidential debatecharacterized by a rocky performance by President Joe Bidenshow an increasing number of Americans believe the 81-year-old president is too old and should drop out of the race, though at least two polls found Biden still maintains a narrow edge over former President Donald Trump.
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Despite voters worries, the debate hasnt dented Bidens standing against Trump yet, with most surveys still showing a neck-and-neck race. Biden actually gained some ground according to Ipsos polling: Trump and Biden were tied 44%-44% before the debate, but Biden took a 46%-44% lead afterwards.
Morning Consults polling delivered a similar result: Biden was tied with Trump 44%-44% before the debate, and Biden led Trump 45%-44% afterwards. According to FiveThirtyEights weighted polling average, however, Trump remains on top by a small margin, with 41.3% of voters supporting him over 40.7% for Biden.Often, these post-debate bumps, even notable ones, fade after a week or two. It remains to be seen how long weak bumps like this one will last.
Either way, as Allan Lichtman's keys to the presidency have shown time and time again, debate performances and declared "winners" of these relatively meaningless quiz shows have zero predictive value with regard to election outcomes.
After all, Trump is still out there lying his ass off with virtually every sentence that comes out of his pie-hole, he is still only able to brag about giving permanent tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires, brag about setting in motion the outlawing of Sex For Pleasure in America while he cries and whines about being picked on so much, how much America SUCKS and so on.
Meanwhile, Biden is out there demonstrating that when he is not bombarded by a firehose of blatant lies from a former so-called potus on a televised quiz show, (and now that his cold has passed and he is no longer taking medication for it) his voice is sure and strong, he has vigor, energy and a totally cognitively competent grasp of the facts, the superior policies and plans to Make a Great America Even Greater.
Voters can't help but notice that.
And Cane asks me why I call you guys douches.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-quiet-acts-kindness/
"A rabbi's critically ill son needs to get from NYC to California for specialty care. No airlines will fly him. The generous man uses his private jet to fly the child. "
Another accurate description, which we addressed at greater length in a 2015 fact check. In July 1988, the Ten family needed to travel to New York for urgent medical treatment for their three-year-old son Andrew Ten, who had a rare respiratory condition. Because Andrew required the constant aid of a respirator and life support machine but commercial airlines could not accommodate that equipment, the family could not travel to New York on a conventional flight.
The boy's father, Harold Ten, an orthodox Jewish rabbi, contacted Trump to ask for the use of his private jet, and the property magnate agreed without hesitation, according to a contemporaneous report by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency:
Asked why he thought Trump made his private jet available, Ten replied, "Because he is a good man. He has three children of his own and he knows what being a parent is all about. " Ten said he believes that Trump fulfilled the Talmudic saying that "he who saves one person's life is as if he saved the entire world. "
Among the relatives at the airport to greet the child and his parents were the paternal grandparents of the sick boy. "Donald Trump is a miracle, just a miracle," said grandmother Feigy Ten, who came to the airport with her husband, Phillip Ten. Both grandparents thanked Trump's generosity over and over again.
And Xpartan, I know how you will react. Yeah, that is not true. Trump would splash you with his car if you needed a ride. Ha ha ha!
This is one of those liberal fact checkers that did the story, but that will not matter to you. You believe what you do and find facts to support your belief instead of looking for truth.Why? I performed a quick Google check, found reliable sources that had reported on this story and found it to be true. Nothing easier.
The question (which is not really a question) is why you and your comrades in arms are incapable of mastering the same simple procedure.
Still, that was your 1998 Trump. The 2024 Trump would totally splash you with a poodle, LOL.
P.S. Wasn't he a Democrat around that time, BTW?
They don't like Trump. They don't like Biden. If they vote (if), then they will hold their noses and vote along party lines. It's going to be close! Nobody is blowing the other side out.
Elvis 2008
07-01-24, 14:34
Why? I performed a quick Google check, found reliable sources that had reported on this story and found it to be true. Nothing easier.Sure, Mr. Fuck the EU never happened.
P.S. Wasn't he a Democrat around that time, BTW?Well, that explains why hookers costs so much more in blue states than red ones. Douches like you ask party affiliation when it comes to hookers because for a douche like yourself that is all that matters.
Elvis 2008
07-01-24, 18:46
They don't like Trump. They don't like Biden. If they vote (if), then they will hold their noses and vote along party lines. It's going to be close! Nobody is blowing the other side out.LOL. If you think that, you should head to the UK or Canada and put our money on Biden. You put $100 on Biden and if he wins, you get $400. You have to put $200 on Trump to get $100. Then there is the field (Newsom, Harris, RFK Jr. , Michelle Obama). Funny part is Newsom odds of winning are only half that of Biden.
The most accurate predictive tool in elections are casino odds, and I have never seen anything like this. The easiest elections to predict in my lifetime were Clinton in 1996 and Obama in 2012, and we are getting close to that. An incumbent president with 20% odds to win re-election in casino odds is not a tight race.
Elvis 2008
07-01-24, 19:53
It seems most Americans are about as fine with a verbally weak truth-teller with a superior record of results as POTUS as they are disturbed by a fast-talking liar with the worst record of results in history as a so-called potus after the 1st debate as they were before it:
Often, these post-debate bumps, even notable ones, fade after a week or two. It remains to be seen how long weak bumps like this one will last.
Either way, as Allan Lichtman's keys to the presidency have shown time and time again, debate performances and declared "winners" of these relatively meaningless quiz shows have zero predictive value with regard to election outcomes.
After all, Trump is still out there lying his ass off with virtually every sentence that comes out of his pie-hole, he is still only able to brag about giving permanent tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires, brag about setting in motion the outlawing of Sex For Pleasure in America while he cries and whines about being picked on so much, how much America SUCKS and so on.
Meanwhile, Biden is out there demonstrating that when he is not bombarded by a firehose of blatant lies from a former so-called potus on a televised quiz show, (and now that his cold has passed and he is no longer taking medication for it) his voice is sure and strong, he has vigor, energy and a totally cognitively competent grasp of the facts, the superior policies and plans to Make a Great America Even Greater.
Voters can't help but notice that.LOL. Yeah, by all means let's listen to the douche media who said Biden was fit as a fiddle play the Alinsky game of accusing your opponent of what you are guilty of. We are not the liars; Trump is! Yes, Biden with the 6 handicap is Mr. Telling the truth. And the cold medicine? Who else looks and talks like that after cold medicine?
The only honest way you can say Biden lied less than Trump is because no one could understand what the hell he was saying.
As for the debate not mattering, that may be a bigger lie than the 6 handicap but by all means cue the Democratic douche "expert" who says it does not matter. But for those us with working brains and think for ourselves, we can see that was not true.
https://www.vegasinsider.com/politics/us-presidential-election-odds-biden-trump-2024-debate/
Ninety minutes of debate between Biden and Trump definitely made an impression on bettors Thursday night and into Friday. Biden visibly struggled throughout the debate, leading to a surge of action and improved odds on Trump both during and after the contest.
"It's been the busiest day so far for election betting," Ladbrokes head of political betting Kyle McGrath said on Friday afternoon. "At the start of the debate, we had Donald Trump -137 and Joe Biden +175 to win the election, with Biden a -700 favorite to win the Democratic nomination.
"Shortly after the debate concluded, this had changed to -175 Trump vs. +300 Biden, with Biden out to -175 just to win the Democratic nomination. ".
Biden eventually slipped as far as +400 to win the election and is at +300 at Ladbrokes a day after the debate.
Paddy Power also made several shifts in its US presidential election odds market. Before the debate, short favorite Trump was toggling between -137 and -150. Post-debate, Trump got to -200, and he's now -175.
Biden was shifting between +150 and +188 pre-debate, and +300/+400 in the aftermath. Biden is currently +400.
Paddy Power also made a significant shift on California Gov. Gavin Newsom's odds to win the USA Presidential election. Newsom was +2000 pre-debate and moved all the way into +650 afterward.
"It looks like our customers believe Newsom is Biden his time. They're backing Newsom in droves," Paddy Power spokesperson Rachael Kane said.
End of link.
So Thailand Tooms make sure you take pic for us as you waddle up to the casino and put your money on blue Biden. As you can see, it is the deal of a lifetime!
And here you go again. You know NOTHING about medicine. First off, you have lied and lost on abortion. Second, you make this completely idiotic comment that Obs are all Democratic loving douches like yourself.
Quite frankly, the OB field is filled with losers who could not get into orthopedics, men who want to control women at their most vulnerable, and female lesbians looking to score. Thank God they are in that field because women in Africa somehow make it by with childbirth and unlike orthopedists who often are operating on seniors, OB / Gyns are operating on young women and have a large margin for error because their patients are so healthy. They have a reputation for being the WORST surgeons there are.
And with regards to medicine and not surgery, their training is pure shit. They do little if any training in intensive medicine. They are not medicine people but surgeons and their prescribing habits, which are often horrible, reflect that. Again, because their patients are so healthy they get away with prescribing stupidly.
The exceptions to the rule are the positive doctors who look at being an OB as bringing life into the world. They thrive on the joy of child birth and are usually very religious. They often are prominent members in their church and are known and loved within their communities. And this may shock you, but these doctors fucking HATE abortion. They do not do it and do not want to. But if a member of their congregation has an incomplete miscarriage they would not treat it? Are you out of your fucking mind?
(...kkkk!) Just another classic, counter intuitive, counter intelligent, nonsensical, INCEL, misogynist, Elvis 2008 rant! Tell me Elvis 2008, how do you have an abortion, if you, yourself or a woman is NOT pregnant?
What I do know is, apparently far more than the INCEL, misogynist, armchair voodoo-witch doctor, who would have women and doctors in red states, look to Africa as a shining beacon of example, as it is Sub-Saharan Africa, that leads the world in maternal deaths. Duh, what a brilliant assessment for red states, Doc Elvis 2008!
There is one thing that all your poppycock and hogwash nonsense did highlight, is that your fool's errant and penchant for the moronic avocation, of dystopian red states, when it comes to having adequate, safe and reliable women's pregnancy/abortion healthcare and OBGYN doctors, seems to border on the ludicrous and insane.
I mean, your dystopian red state outlook, seems to advocate in favor of less babies being born in red states and more red state OBGYN doctors leaving, more mothers either never again having childbirth or dying from complications, that were preventable with drugs such as Mifepristone.
So I guess, the silver lining to your rant, would be that your saying, red states are going to have a reduction in childbirth, have less babies popping out and growing up to be ReThuglicans, mini-me Trump imitators, MAGA babies and dumbasses like Elvis 2008, then I retract my comment about your "rant". You're SPOT ON! (....kkkk!)
Carry On Ranting!
In this episode of "Paycheck Superhero":
It seems "Paycheck Superhero", has turned his back on his own kind and has opted for the African Sub-Saharan pregnancy death maternity rates for red states.
Stay tuned to find out:
• If "Paycheck Superhero"'s trip to Sub-Saharan African, will yield any results necessary enough, to save red states and their MAGA babies mortality rate and death by pregnancy complication dilemmas.
Stay Tuned...
The Trifecta:
First, it was in 1992, that ex-President Bill Clinton, who was down in "the polls" to Ross Perot (and George Bush), by double-digits (15) points and was seen to be running a losing campaign and calls went out for him to be replaced.
Second, it was then in 2016, that ex-President Donald J. Trump, who was caught on tape in an Access Hollywood scandal, saying,
"I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you've a star they let you do it..." and then goes on to say "You can do anything...grab them by the pussy"
Repubs were all declaring, they couldn't with good conscience, "look their daughters in the eye" and vote for or back a "pussy grabbing" president and the calls went out for Trump to step-aside. {...yet lo and behold!}
Third, now comes President Joe Biden, who didn't perform his best, in an otherwise meaningless 2024 debate, but fared better than his lying predecessor, and is still even or better than a coin-flip in the "the polls", given his age and slightly poorer than usual debate performance, and there are calls for him to step-down.
What does this trifecta, all have in common?:
Well, despite being eviscerated by their respective parties, MSM and campaign donors, due to their constant bemoaning of cries to step-down, premature Pollyanna gyrations and failures in "the polls", or the "pussy grabbing" sexual abuse of women and their rights, or the age related minor slippage in a debating performance, has only meant one thing, when the respective presumptive nominee, STAYS THE COURSE....
All have (or will) gone on, to win the presidential election. It will be no different for a Joe Biden WIN in 2024, completing the trifecta and proving the naysayers and detractors...WRONG!
Sure, Mr. Fuck the EU never happened.Elvis, dude, you know you need to lay off the sauce when no one but yourself has any idea what you're trying to say.
The Trifecta:
First, it was in 1992, that ex-President Bill Clinton, who was down in "the polls" to Ross Perot (and George Bush), by double-digits (15) points and was seen to be running a losing campaign and calls went out for him to be replaced.
Second, it was then in 2016, that ex-President Donald J. Trump, who was caught on tape in an Access Hollywood scandal, saying,
Repubs were all declaring, they couldn't with good conscience, "look their daughters in the eye" and vote for or back a "pussy grabbing" president and the calls went out for Trump to step-aside. {...yet lo and behold!}
Third, now comes President Joe Biden, who didn't perform his best, in an otherwise meaningless 2024 debate, but fared better than his lying predecessor, and is still even or better than a coin-flip in the "the polls", given his age and slightly poorer than usual debate performance, and there are calls for him to step-down.
What does this trifecta, all have in common?:
Well, despite being eviscerated by their respective parties, MSM and campaign donors, due to their constant bemoaning of cries to step-down, premature Pollyanna gyrations and failures in "the polls", or the "pussy grabbing" sexual abuse of women and their rights, or the age related minor slippage in a debating performance, has only meant one thing, when the respective presumptive nominee, STAYS THE COURSE....
All have (or will) gone on, to win the presidential election. It will be no different for a Joe Biden WIN in 2024, completing the trifecta and proving the naysayers and detractors...WRONG!These right wing clowns don't seem to remember that you don't spike the ball until after you've crossed the goal line!
At the Presidential Debate Quiz Show, I saw President Joe Biden walk, I heard him talk, I heard him put more than 2 words together, knew who he was and where he was. And I saw the verbal flubs. A couple of big ones.
However, anyone who watched and heard Joe Biden respond to having been crowned King Biden by the 6 Wingers on the SCOTUS today as well as his recent campaign speech, his SOTU Address along with a slew of other recent examples, saw and heard conclusive evidence of this inarguable conclusion; President Joe Biden does not suffer from cognitive impairment or incapacity.
No one has yet explained how and why this supposed cognitive "impairment" or "incapacity" miraculously vanishes when Biden crafts complex policies, writes, contributes to, edits, approves and then delivers a prepared presentation in a speech, albeit scrolling up on a teleprompter, in a State of the Union Address, an appearance before Congress or foreign dignitaries, and does so with obvious complete understanding of every word, phrase, sentence and, most important, concept, with all the proper emphasis and inflection to convey those concepts to everyone in the room.
Not to mention he can and does that to this very day better, more naturally and with fewer glitches and occasional bobbles than Trump, who often comes up with total gobbledygook and words that don't exist even when reading it.
There is also no evidence of Biden having this stuttering-related issue in one-on-one or small group conversations, even those being audio / video recorded, as in the case of his recent 75 minute Howard Stern interview.
Biden clearly has an on-the-fly public oratory stuttering problem that occasionally manifests itself embarrasingly only under certain circumstances during, say, a Presidential Debate Quiz Show, not a cognitive capacity problem. That has virtually nothing to do with the way a president contemplates, is advised, advises, makes decisions or presents those decisions to the public and anyone else who needs to hear and understand them.
Being better at the former comes in handy if you want to deliver an impromptu 20 minute rant on death by electrocution vs being eaten by a shark. Being better at the latter comes in handy if you want to promote and pass historic, often bi-partisan legislation that, for just one example, has created more jobs than all three and working on all four of the previous Republican presidents combined in just his 1st term as President.
Elvis 2008
07-02-24, 07:09
Elvis, dude, you know you need to lay off the sauce when no one but yourself has any idea what you're trying to say.LOL. It was something no one else here should understand but you. Did you google who infamously said Fuck the EU and what context it was in, and think about what point I was making in bringing in? Nope, and you just proved my point. Did you know the word gullible is not in the dictionary?
Everyone noticed the flurry of lies coming out of Trump's pie hole at the Presidential Debate Quiz Show. It was no different from what we have all been hearing coming out of his pie hole since 2015.
But at this quiz show he kept coming back to a few favorite Trump Big Lies regarding Immigration, crime, the economy under him vs Biden, etc. I suspect because, even though he knows his only way to survive the kind of "Trump policy" scrutiny the debate threatened to provide required him to use the Gish Gallop technique, it was much easier for him to simply keep repeating a few favorite Trump Lies over and over again rather than come up with a variety of new ones for every question and response.
And, of course, he and his handlers knew that was an especially effective technique to use against a stutterer opponent. I also suspect he knows Biden will be much more prepared for it next time. If Trump is willing to risk a next time.
What Is Gish Gallop and What Does It Have To Do With Thursdays Debate?
https://bearingdrift.com/2024/06/29/what-is-gish-gallop-and-what-does-it-have-to-do-with-thursdays-debate/
I learned a new phrase this week: Gish gallop. Thank you, Dr. Heather Cox Richardson.
In her June 27 Letters from an American, she recapped that nights first Presidential debate between Democratic President Joe Biden and Republican ex-President Donald Trump, and in it she introduced her readers to Gish gallop:
"This was not a debate. It was Trump using a technique that actually has a formal name, the Gish gallop, although I suspect he comes by it naturally. Its a rhetorical technique in which someone throws out a fast string of lies, non-sequiturs, and specious arguments, so many that it is impossible to fact-check or rebut them in the amount of time it took to say them. Trying to figure out how to respond makes the opponent look confused, because they dont know where to start grappling with the flood that has just hit them.
It is a form of gaslighting, and it is especially effective on someone with a stutter, as Biden has. It is similar to what Trump did to Biden during a debate in 2020.
In that case, though, the lack of muting on the mics left Biden simply saying: Will you shut up, man? a comment that resonated with the audience. Giving Biden the enforced space to answer by killing the mic of the person not speaking tonight actually made the technique more effective."
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So while I was unfamiliar with the term Gish gallop, I was familiar with the technique. A Republican colleague used to spew a stream of arguments at me, non-stop, then ask a question, and not allow my response but, instead, talked over me as I tried to answer. It clutters the mind, especially for someone like me who can respond much better with the written word than a verbal response.
I suspect Joes speech issues may have had him in the same spot. You have two minutes to respond do you rebut the lies or try to explain policy?
Gish gallop. Got it. Thanks, Heather!
First, the Winger-owned Wall Street Jounal concocted a "report" about Joe Biden supposedly "slipping" mentally at a meeting that, no surprise, was comprised of known Repub liars' opinion and no truth-telling Dem opinion. Including one well-documented Repub former Squeaker of the House who was known to have made a similar public statement that he totally contradicted in private:
The Wall Street Journals story about Bidens mental acuity suffers from glaring problems.
June 6, 2024
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/06/media/wall-street-journal-biden-mental-acuity/index.html
Then, the Sinclair Winger Broadcast Group of local news outlets are caught repeating the Winger-owned WST bullshit "report" on their local outlets, which polls show viewers believe to be "more trustworthy" than the national outlets, apparently all reading from the exact same Winger script:
Watch: Local Sinclair Anchors Read Same Shady Script on Bidens Age.
Local news anchors across the country are reading from the exact same script on Joe Biden.
June 11, 2024
https://newrepublic.com/post/182567/sinclair-right-wing-script-biden-age-local-news
This post has not aged well. The investigative journalists at WSJ came out with a sequel, about foreign leaders who've noticed the decline in the President's mental acuity. Then there was the debate. Last night on CNN, Carl Bernstein, one of the Washington Post reporters who broke Watergate, reiterated what the WSJ wrote, and said journalists have known about it for a long while.
Why wasn't it reported? Why did they cover it up? Well, because they're mostly biased towards your side. Take a look at allsides.com. They rank media from far left, which is assigned a value of -6, to far right, which is +6. Except for the Wall Street Journal, newspapers with large, nationwide circulation are rated around -2 to -2. 5. The Wall Street Journal, based on its news reporting (not its editorial page) is rated -0. 2. The Wall Street Journal, Fair and Balanced.
CheckMate1
07-02-24, 17:21
"Under our constitutional structure of separated powers, the nature of presidential power entitles a former president to absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for actions within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority," Chief Justice John Roberts wrote for the court. "And he is entitled to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts. There is no immunity for unofficial acts. ".
How unfortunate that the opinion included the words "absolute immunity from criminal prosecution". Pardons, an official act, that would not be subjected to prosecutions, even if the pardon is criminal in nature. I fault the argument against absolute immunity for it didn't bring it closer to home to some of these justices. The example set out from Judge Pan at the appelate was what if a president order SEAL Team six to execute a rival. At the supreme court, I would have brought another example closer to home for the 9 justices. If a president suggested in a speech that someone should take out a justice or justices who are not "loyal to the American people" would be pardon. This example would have perked them up.
It's a shame that they decided for that possibility.
Elvis 2008
07-02-24, 18:11
"Under our constitutional structure of separated powers, the nature of presidential power entitles a former president to absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for actions within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority," Chief Justice John Roberts wrote for the court. "And he is entitled to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts. There is no immunity for unofficial acts. ".
How unfortunate that the opinion included the words "absolute immunity from criminal prosecution". Pardons, an official act, that would not be subjected to prosecutions, even if the pardon is criminal in nature. I fault the argument against absolute immunity for it didn't bring it closer to home to some of these justices. The example set out from Judge Pan at the appelate was what if a president order SEAL Team six to execute a rival. At the supreme court, I would have brought another example closer to home for the 9 justices. If a president suggested in a speech that someone should take out a justice or justices who are not "loyal to the American people" would be pardon. This example would have perked them up.
It's a shame that they decided for that possibility.CM, I do not think you understand the decision. Obama famously droned and killed an American citizen without the due process of a trial. Do you think after the SCOTUS ruling Obama has immunity for that?
Elvis 2008
07-02-24, 19:49
These right wing clowns don't seem to remember that you don't spike the ball until after you've crossed the goal line!This election odds were 59-36 in Trump's favor before the debate. It was Green Bay, who owns the Chicago Bears, versus the bears before the debate. Now we have learned that so much of the Bears team is sick that they may have to be substituted for, and the odds are 67-20 now. Or as permadouche Spidy / Joy would say of 67-20 odds, a coin flip.
As far as spiking the ball, why would I do that? You douches may think 2020 was the most fair election of all time, but we don't, and among one of the many reasons I think that is the Democratic primaries were rigged.
And in this Democratic primary season, we Republicans did not even have to say everything. You have RFK Jr, a life long Democrat, saying he has to run as an independent because the Democratic primaries are so rigged. In some states, ballots are printed with only Biden's name on them. This is the douche version of a fair election. RFK Jr. Is shouted down as some antivax loser by the leftie media instead of being beaten at the ballot box.
Now we get this Democratic panic when the MSM douches have a news flash. This just in. Biden is old. There are two Democrats pols the polls show have a shot at beating Trump, Michelle Obama, who does not want the nomination, and RFK Jr. You cannot make this shit up.
You douches were such chicken shits with RFK Jr. He could not even be on the ballot. He was anti-Fauci, anti-deep state, and anti-drug company, and the Dems could not have that. Hell, Dems are still suing RFK Jr. To keep him off the presidential ballot.
So if the election were tomorrow and were IMO shown to be fair, I would put every dime I had on Trump. But with the lawsuits, the cheating, the deep state with its assassins, and a potential health issue in the next four months given Trump's age, I think 67% is about right.
But I am not spiking the football when I think you douches have the refs paid off.
On the other hand, if you douches are so certain Biden is going to win, and he is getting 4-1 odds, why don't you shut up and bet on him instead of mouthing off on how he is going to win?
Yeah, I get it. That concept of risk and thinking for yourself and acting ion your own thoughts is too tough for you all. You have to be told what to do by the NYT and MSNBC.
The douche way of gambling is to go to the roulette wheel bet on green, wait for the ball to land on red, and say, "Why didn't the ball land on black? Racist much?" and suing the casino out of business.
What happened to "free speech" in this case?
Did you google who infamously said Fuck the EU and what context it was in, and think about what point I was making in bringing in?I apologize Elvis. I did not google it. But do remember who said "Fuck the Police". It is still one of my favorite songs to this day. LOL! Caused a serious political uproar when it came out.
https://www.gq.com/story/nwa-fuck-the-police-live-detroit
I think the President should be able to pull straight mafia gangster moves. If the President of the United States feels like it is the interest of the country to put a hit out on someone, that someone better run like a ***** cause he going to get hit. President has to be as powerful of the Kings of the world. MBS said: Hit him. The kings men got it done.
Don't fuck with me about morality. It is cruel world. I accepted a long time ago that if someone in the real world wants you dead, and they do not care if they get caught. Friends in family will miss you terriblely and think of your often.
And Cane asks me why I call you guys douches ...
...blah, blah, blah...
No big explanation needed, as I'm sure many an old biddy, has told Elvis 2008 over the years,
"What an ugly 'potty mouth', you have!" (...kkkk!)
This post has not aged well. The investigative journalists at WSJ came out with a sequel, about foreign leaders who've noticed the decline in the President's mental acuity. Then there was the debate. Last night on CNN, Carl Bernstein, one of the Washington Post reporters who broke Watergate, reiterated what the WSJ wrote, and said journalists have known about it for a long while.
Why wasn't it reported? Why did they cover it up? Well, because they're mostly biased towards your side. Take a look at allsides.com. They rank media from far left, which is assigned a value of -6, to far right, which is +6. Except for the Wall Street Journal, newspapers with large, nationwide circulation are rated around -2 to -2. 5. The Wall Street Journal, based on its news reporting (not its editorial page) is rated -0. 2. The Wall Street Journal, Fair and Balanced.Oh, why be shy? There is a video clip of Bernstein on CNN that you could have posted.
This is the one below, right? He reports 2nd hand comments from other people "also of numerous inexplicable moments" of Biden "losing his train of thought and can't pick it up again" that ought to be looked into, perhaps by a doctor. I agree.
BTW, Bernstein does not use the words "Cognitive impairment", "Cognitive incapacity" or even "Cognitive decline", the latter of which would be expected for anyone over the age of 50 and still would not disqualify them for the job of President.
See, I thought you were being shy about providing the actual link because, being the well-known fair and unbiased "Bothsider / Neithersider" here, you did not want to show off those admirable traits by including the OTHER things Bernstein said he has been hearing about Joe Biden from those exact same people referenced above and more:
That "No question about it, I have known for two years", that Biden is "GREAT when you see him. SHARP. Has an ABSOLUTE COMMAND of the facts, as SHARP as can be" in his detailed briefings on Ukraine and other presidential level topics. ".
Bernstein says sources suggest concerns about Biden have been growing for a year.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/01/politics/video/carl-bernstein-biden-performance-presidential-debate-ac360-digvid
Oh, look! CNN must also be shy about mentioning any of those OTHER things Bernstein said about Biden in the big bold headlines or in the body of the text in that report.
Why didn't CNN or you do that? Why, like you, did they cover it up? Well, because CNN, the template for Mainstream Media cable news, is mostly biased to your side, we can only suppose.
Meanwhile, I presume NOBODY told Bernstein for all four years of Trump's horrific presidency how "sharp" Trump was and had "an absolute command of the facts" at any presidential level meeting any more than any CEO did at the meeting Trump spoke at recently:
CEOs at Trump meeting: Ex-president meandering and doesnt know what hes talking about
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/14/ceos-at-trump-meeting-not-impressed.html?__source=androidappshare
Interesting. It also appears NOBODY ever came out of a meeting with Joe Biden describing him as "meandering" and that he "didn't know what he is talking about. ".
Oh well.
No big explanation needed, as I'm sure many an old biddy, has told Elvis 2008 over the years,
"What an ugly 'potty mouth', you have!" (...kkkk!)I wasn't "wondering" about anything. Not worth my time. He does what he does with that, and that's that, among other things. No explanation needed. Like with the rest of the "basket of deplorables" LMAO!
"Under our constitutional structure of separated powers, the nature of presidential power entitles a former president to absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for actions within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority," Chief Justice John Roberts wrote for the court. "And he is entitled to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts. There is no immunity for unofficial acts. ".
How unfortunate that the opinion included the words "absolute immunity from criminal prosecution". Pardons, an official act, that would not be subjected to prosecutions, even if the pardon is criminal in nature. I fault the argument against absolute immunity for it didn't bring it closer to home to some of these justices. The example set out from Judge Pan at the appelate was what if a president order SEAL Team six to execute a rival. At the supreme court, I would have brought another example closer to home for the 9 justices. If a president suggested in a speech that someone should take out a justice or justices who are not "loyal to the American people" would be pardon. This example would have perked them up.
It's a shame that they decided for that possibility.So, Biden can have DJT taken out if your worries are true-- And why wouldn't the people who have their hands up senile Joe's ass not have him do it? They seem to have no scruples.
CM, I do not think you understand the decision. Obama famously droned and killed an American citizen without the due process of a trial. Do you think after the SCOTUS ruling Obama has immunity for that?Yes, if Republicans want to prosecute Obama for killing Americans with drones, or Biden for involuntary manslaughter for rapes and murders committed by illegals, they're now shit out of luck.
Republicans and Democrats shouldn't be ecstatic or upset about the court decision. It's going to make it harder to prosecute a president for anything he does while in office that relates to his official duties, so there's less ability for one side to persecute an ex-president it doesn't like through the court system. That's better left to the ballot box, or perhaps the impeachment process IMHO. At the same time this doesn't let Trump off the hook for any unofficial act. And for that matter, for any acts unrelated to the president's "conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority. ".
Republicans and Democrats shouldn't be ecstatic or upset about the court decision. It's going to make it harder to prosecute a president for anything he does while in office that relates to his official duties, so there's less ability for one side to persecute an ex-president it doesn't like through the court system. That's better left to the ballot box, or perhaps the impeachment process IMHO. At the same time this doesn't let Trump off the hook for any unofficial act. And for that matter, for any acts unrelated to the president's "conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority. ".This hits the nail on the head. All this drama and it being "a bad day for America". Give me a break. Presidents, and certain other officials, should have immunity for their official acts. Like you say, Trump isn't off the hook. It's just going to take a very long time to figure it out. That is, unless Trump wins. Then he will find ways to make much of it go away. And that my friend would be a bad day for America and the rest of the world.
Elvis 2008
07-02-24, 22:56
Yes, if Republicans want to prosecute Obama for killing Americans with drones, or Biden for involuntary manslaughter for rapes and murders committed by illegals, they're now shit out of luck.No, a president is not allowed to violate the Constitution, and Obama violated the fourth amendment, The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
So a person has a right to be secure in their person.
In addition, you have the 8th amendment, Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. It is kind of hard to argue killing someone is not cruel.
So the real issue comes down to prosecutorial discretion. Will the prosecutor get a conviction? And it is that conviction good for society? Given what we know, I think Obama broke the law, but I am not sure you are going to get a conviction if you use the beyond a reasonable doubt standard.
It's going to make it harder to prosecute a president for anything he does while in office that relates to his official duties, so there's less ability for one side to persecute an ex-president it doesn't like through the court system. That's better left to the ballot box, or perhaps the impeachment process IMHO. At the same time this doesn't let Trump off the hook for any unofficial act. And for that matter, for any acts unrelated to the president's "conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority. ".Well, given the impeachments, the idiocy of keeping Trump off the ballot, and now the bullshit trials in New York, the deep state and prosecutors needed to have a bright line drawn of what was and was not acceptable. The line had previously always been there until recently based on custom. Hopefully, now the Democrats will quit with this bullshit of beating Trump everywhere but the ballot box.
CheckMate1
07-02-24, 23:04
Yes, if Republicans want to prosecute Obama for killing Americans with drones, or Biden for involuntary manslaughter for rapes and murders committed by illegals, they're now shit out of luck.
Republicans and Democrats shouldn't be ecstatic or upset about the court decision. It's going to make it harder to prosecute a president for anything he does while in office that relates to his official duties, so there's less ability for one side to persecute an ex-president it doesn't like through the court system. That's better left to the ballot box, or perhaps the impeachment process IMHO. At the same time this doesn't let Trump off the hook for any unofficial act. And for that matter, for any acts unrelated to the president's "conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority. ".Glad you answer his question. But he still does not have reading comprehension on more than just the headlines.
In my example, it is about A President targeting Justices by egging on cult members (by proxy), and then pardoned them for a crime he couldn't commit himself, sort of like a mob boss with Supreme Court blessings.
His example is a complex situation of US Citizens in a foreign country with close proximity to an armed conflict area, with bad actors that the CIA and Military have to assess and make decisions to protect the country (judgement call), and with the final approval from the president. In this case, the president (Obama, as well as previous administrations) did not wake up one morning and decided without any input to target a civilian. That's why the ACLU sued "the government", which at the time Obama was the head of, and not the President himself. As the file stated; al-aulaqi-v-panetta, since he was the Secretary of Defense. Subsequentially, it was dismissed on 4-4-2014. The decision by Judge ROSEMARY M. COLLYER is at the bottom of the article that I linked for anyone who is curious.
https://www.aclu.org/cases/al-aulaqi-v-panetta-constitutional-challenge-killing-three-us-citizens?redirect=targetedkillings
Elvis 2008
07-02-24, 23:18
Judge Marchan, the hand picked Democratic partisan hack, and now Alvin Bragg are squirming. After the SCOTUS ruling on presidential immunity, Trump's team filed a motion to dismiss the New York criminal case, and Bragg was fine with that motion being filed.
Then this so called Judge Merchan has vacated Donald Trump's July 11th sentencing date and will delay it until September 18th "if such is still necessary". When Trump issued payments to Cohen it was in 2017, but that had NOTHING to do with Trump's official duties being president.
However, now you have to define what the crime Trump supposedly committed and if it happened when he was president and if it was part of his presidential duties or not. Of course, they cannot do that because they never defined what the crime is. So now there is obvious grounds to throw the case out.
So Bragg and Merchan are going to use the SCOTUS ruling which really has zero to do with this case to worm their way out of sentencing Trump. Given that these two partisan asshats literally made up a law and used lawfare to try to rig a presidential election, I would put these two in jail for any made up crime for twenty years.
With Giuliani now being disbarred and Bannon being tossed in jail, there is not going to be any mercy like was shown with Hiliary. Fuck that! We Republicans need to pick out the worst of the worst and put these partisan dipshits like these two screaming "rule of law" away for a long, long time.
Glad you answer his question. But he still does not have reading comprehension on more than just the headlines.
In my example, it is about A President targeting Justices by egging on cult members (by proxy), and then pardoned them for a crime he couldn't commit himself, sort of like a mob boss with Supreme Court blessings.
His example is a complex situation of US Citizens in a foreign country with close proximity to an armed conflict area, with bad actors that the CIA and Military have to assess and make decisions to protect the country (judgement call), and with the final approval from the president. In this case, the president (Obama, as well as previous administrations) did not wake up one morning and decided without any input to target a civilian. That's why the ACLU sued "the government", which at the time Obama was the head of, and not the President himself. As the file stated; al-aulaqi-v-panetta, since he was the Secretary of Defense. Subsequentially, it was dismissed on 4-4-2014. The decision by Judge ROSEMARY M. COLLYER is at the bottom of the article that I linked for anyone who is curious.
https://www.aclu.org/cases/al-aulaqi-v-panetta-constitutional-challenge-killing-three-us-citizens?redirect=targetedkillingsSotomayor's claim you repeated in your other post, that now the president can order Navy Seal Team 6 to take out a political rival, is hypothetical. It won't happen. She may be a supreme court justice, but I don't believe any president who did that would stay out of jail. Your situation, where a president eggs on supporters and they kill a Supreme Court justice, is hypothetical too. The Obama administration however actually did target Americans for extra-judicial killings. Good for the ACLU for taking up for the victims.
If esteemed board member Just TK and I were attorney generals, and if we were as aggressive as New York prosecutors about going after ex-presidents, we'd go after all of them, back to FDR at least. Certainly we'd throw Obama in jail for sanctioning the deaths of USA Citizens abroad. The Supreme Court decision protects ex-presidents from people like us, but who unlike us are in power.
Trump does deserve an ankle bracelet in my opinion. I don't think the Supreme Court decision will directly prevent him from getting one. Indirectly maybe, because this will further delay the Washington D. C. , Fulton County, Georgia and Florida cases. And if Trump is elected president, the two federal cases will go by the wayside, while Fulton County will have a snowball's chance in hell of enforcing judgement on the president. But if that happens, if Trump is elected, it was the will of the people. And I'm not sure that juries and judges should overrule the will of the people in this particular instance.
The press is preoccupied about what's going to happen if Trump is elected. You shouldn't worry. Trump's mostly bluster when he talks about retribution and the like, and American institutions, including the Supreme Court, wouldn't let him get away with it anyway. Just look what happened with all the election fraud cases filed by Giuliani et al in 2020 and 2021. Theoretically they could have gone to the Supreme Court and it could have ruled in Trump's favor. That didn't happen.
So Bragg and Merchan are going to use the SCOTUS ruling which really has zero to do with this case to worm their way out of sentencing Trump. Given that these two partisan asshats literally made up a law and used lawfare to try to rig a presidential election, I would put these two in jail for any made up crime for twenty years..I wouldn't put them in jail, although they were dead wrong to go after Trump for covering up a one night stand and an affair. This was Bragg fulfilling a campaign promise, plain and simple. Trump was only prosecuted because he's unpopular in Manhattan. So what's next? Maybe some county in the deep red Texas Panhandle goes after Biden for channeling loans to his brother through his Delaware attorney? That would be fitting considering the involvement of Trump's attorney, Michael Cohen, in Bragg's prosecution.
What happened to "free speech" in this case?
I apologize Elvis. I did not google it. But do remember who said "Fuck the Police". It is still one of my favorite songs to this day. LOL! Caused a serious political uproar when it came out.
https://www.gq.com/story/nwa-fuck-the-police-live-detroit
I think the President should be able to pull straight mafia gangster moves. If the President of the United States feels like it is the interest of the country to put a hit out on someone, that someone better run like a ***** cause he going to get hit. President has to be as powerful of the Kings of the world. MBS said: Hit him. The kings men got it done.
Don't fuck with me about morality. It is cruel world. I accepted a long time ago that if someone in the real world wants you dead, and they do not care if they get caught. Friends in family will miss you terriblely and think of your often.I think the MAGA 6 just said President er I mean King Biden has total immunity to order a hit on a political rival.
Now, he can't make that arrangrment with the Mafia or your ordinary gun-for-hire hitman because interaction with them is not something a president er I mean King would do in his "official capacity" as President er I mean King. Therefore, that would be a "personal" matter.
Fortunately, interacting with the United States Navy SEALs is something the newly crowned by the MAGA 6, King Biden, would do in his "official capacity" as President er I mean King. See, that is a "President's thingy" er I mean a "King's thingy. ".
Therefore, ordering them to do it is ok, it is very, very likely no criminal charges would make it past legal arguments and the MAGA 6's final ruling on it.
Oh, why be shy? There is a video clip of Bernstein on CNN that you could have posted.
This is the one below, right? He reports 2nd hand comments from other people "also of numerous inexplicable moments" of Biden "losing his train of thought and can't pick it up again" that ought to be looked into, perhaps by a doctor. I agree.
BTW, Bernstein does not use the words "Cognitive impairment", "Cognitive incapacity" or even "Cognitive decline", the latter of which would be expected for anyone over the age of 50 and still would not disqualify them for the job of President.
See, I thought you were being shy about providing the actual link because, being the well-known fair and unbiased "Bothsider / Neithersider" here, you did not want to show off those admirable traits by including the OTHER things Bernstein said he has been hearing about Joe Biden from those exact same people referenced above and more:
That "No question about it, I have known for two years", that Biden is "GREAT when you see him. SHARP. Has an ABSOLUTE COMMAND of the facts, as SHARP as can be" in his detailed briefings on Ukraine and other presidential level topics. ".
Bernstein says sources suggest concerns about Biden have been growing for a year.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/01/politics/video/carl-bernstein-biden-performance-presidential-debate-ac360-digvid
Oh, look! CNN must also be shy about mentioning any of those OTHER things Bernstein said about Biden in the big bold headlines or in the body of the text in that report.
Why didn't CNN or you do that? Why, like you, did they cover it up? Well, because CNN, the template for Mainstream Media cable news, is mostly biased to your side, we can only suppose.
Meanwhile, I presume NOBODY told Bernstein for all four years of Trump's horrific presidency how "sharp" Trump was and had "an absolute command of the facts" at any presidential level meeting any more than any CEO did at the meeting Trump spoke at recently:
CEOs at Trump meeting: Ex-president meandering and doesnt know what hes talking about
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/14/ceos-at-trump-meeting-not-impressed.html?__source=androidappshare
Interesting. It also appears NOBODY ever came out of a meeting with Joe Biden describing him as "meandering" and that he "didn't know what he is talking about. ".
Oh well.He actually said, "There is no question I HAVE HEARD for two years how sharp Joe Biden is in his national security briefings..." Biden's people also told Bernstein the president has an absolute command of the facts and is sharp as he can be. However, in the first part of the video, Bernstein describes classic signs of dementia. There are two Bidens, the real, senile Biden. And the "Sharp-as-a-tack Biden" spun by his staff.
In other words, the video sounds like Biden's going senile and his staff is trying to cover it up. Or maybe the staff isn't spinning, and he's slipping in and out of reality. Either way, is this man equipped mentally to be president?
Yes, Trump often meanders and doesn't know what he's talking about. That's why I support Chase Oliver for president. If the major parties can't come up with better candidates than these two, I'll vote for the Libertarian.
The lead article in the New York Times today.
Biden's Lapses are Said to be Increasingly Common and Worrisome.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/02/us/politics/biden-lapses.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
This hits the nail on the head. All this drama and it being "a bad day for America". Give me a break. Presidents, and certain other officials, should have immunity for their official acts. Like you say, Trump isn't off the hook. It's just going to take a very long time to figure it out. That is, unless Trump wins. Then he will find ways to make much of it go away. And that my friend would be a bad day for America and the rest of the world.It's easy for presidents to have immunity for their official acts. Just don't do anything illegal and you have immunity. Why would any president need SCOTUS authorized immunity if they aren't into some nefarious shit? Presidents are not kings.
This was 3 months ago.
Maybe I missed it but did CNN have Carl Bernstein on in the past 3 months to discuss anything HE HEARD about these obvious signs of dementia in Donald Trump?
Trumps latest gaffe saw him forgetting New York Governor in rambling speech.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/trump-latest-gaffe-saw-him-211326449.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAL3MyBR_rYrzTmh_f1UGFaVRI-cExPvIvcggnY2xdATx2cGUWicgKYhtvqTCoxtjyDyFoR351PVDIFKPkI4Vy0zg1GLHAnRspSly8lYJ4h-Jt-Ur6nzWNqIMNUakkIkKwZWLdoNL7H1T5ehHalQp5Dzm6SxwMKBaEvSqCX5GQcgc
Feeble, Confused And Tired: Donald Trump Torched After Bizarre Gaffe-Filled Appearance.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/feeble-confused-tired-trump-torched-085918760.html
He actually said, "There is no question I HAVE HEARD for two years how sharp Joe Biden is in his national security briefings..." Biden's people also told Bernstein the president has an absolute command of the facts and is sharp as he can be. However, in the first part of the video, Bernstein describes classic signs of dementia. There are two Bidens, the real, senile Biden. And the "Sharp-as-a-tack Biden" spun by his staff.
In other words, the video sounds like Biden's going senile and his staff is trying to cover it up. Or maybe the staff isn't spinning, and he's slipping in and out of reality. Either way, is this man equipped mentally to be president?
Yes, Trump often meanders and doesn't know what he's talking about. That's why I support Chase Oliver for president. If the major parties can't come up with better candidates than these two, I'll vote for the Libertarian.Yes, but Bernstein said "I HAVE HEARD" those glowing reports of Biden's sharpness and absolute command of the facts, which CNN did not mention in those big bold headlines or text of that report and neither did you until I cited it, from the same people who you took as gospel truth fact about the "inexplicable moments" HE HEARD about to suit your and CNN's agenda. And he said he heard it from more than them.
You think those "inexplicable moments" that both Biden and Trump exhibit are classic signs of senility and dementia? Ok. But when people start coming out of important topic meetings with Biden commenting that he "meandered" and "didn't know what he was talking about" as has been case with Trump along with numerous video recorded examples of it for the past 9 years, I will start worrying about it with Biden.
Does telling 30,000+ lies in a handful of years including the firehose stream of lies at the Presidential Debate Quiz Show qualify as Trump "not knowing what he's talking about"?
I think so.
Meanwhile, even Biden's worst moment at that Quiz Show did not prove he "didn't know what he is talking about" but only momentarily verbally discombobulated while Trump's constant inaccurate statements about virtually every topic were in my mind clear signs that he "didn't know what he was talking about. " Or, fine, we can go with him simply being a pathological liar about everything if that makes you feel better.
BTW, that thing Bernstein HEARD about Biden being at a fundraiser a year ago, suddenly freezing and needing a chair to finish the event sounded exactly like the nagging problem I had a few years ago with Sciatic Neuritis, where the sudden shooting pain traveling from my lower back down my leg was so severe it took my breath and voice away. It would happen out of nowhere, unrelated to any particular exercise or extraidinary physical event. It could and did happen if I just took in breath a certain way, took a step a certain way, reached for something in my coat pocket or made any number of ordinary moves.
And I damn well needed a chair to sit in ASAP. Sometimes the pain I experienced sitting in a chair was worse than standing up. There was often no position that would alleviate the pain enough to refocus on whatever else was happening at the moment.
In addition to which Biden's stiff gait has been well-documented and reported by his doctor and latest exams as a combination of fractures in his foot that he did not stay put long enough for them to heal normally along with arthritis in his back. And if there is a Sciatic Neuritis issue going on as well, I am even more impressed by what he is physically capable of doing.
We haven't heard about Trump's infamous bone spurs in a while. But I doubt that would have anything to do with him truly "not knowing what he is talking about" on every important topic for the past 9 years. And that is the only 1 Donald Trump I have been watching and listening to all that time.
Judge Marchan, the hand picked Democratic partisan hack, and now Alvin Bragg are squirming. After the SCOTUS ruling on presidential immunity, Trump's team filed a motion to dismiss the New York criminal case, and Bragg was fine with that motion being filed.
Then this so called Judge Merchan has vacated Donald Trump's July 11th sentencing date and will delay it until September 18th "if such is still necessary". When Trump issued payments to Cohen it was in 2017, but that had NOTHING to do with Trump's official duties being president.
However, now you have to define what the crime Trump supposedly committed and if it happened when he was president and if it was part of his presidential duties or not. Of course, they cannot do that because they never defined what the crime is. So now there is obvious grounds to throw the case out.
So Bragg and Merchan are going to use the SCOTUS ruling which really has zero to do with this case to worm their way out of sentencing Trump. Given that these two partisan asshats literally made up a law and used lawfare to try to rig a presidential election, I would put these two in jail for any made up crime for twenty years.
With Giuliani now being disbarred and Bannon being tossed in jail, there is not going to be any mercy like was shown with Hiliary. Fuck that! We Republicans need to pick out the worst of the worst and put these partisan dipshits like these two screaming "rule of law" away for a long, long time.New York v. Trump: Merchan delays sentencing hearing until September.
Merchan said Trump's sentencing has been delayed until Sept. 18
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-v-trump-merchan-agrees-delay-sentencing-september
Judge Juan Merchan has delayed former President Trump's sentencing in New York v. Trump until September, following requests from the presumptive Republican nominee to do so, and no opposition from Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg.Oh, BTW, there is this long understood political tradition regarding the general election calendar; it seems most voters aren't really paying much attention to the general election until after Labor Day, or possibly after the Conventions.
Uh, Labor Day is September 2nd this year. And Sept. 18 is also well after both the Repub and the Dem Conventions:
Inside Intelligence: About That Kickoff to the Fall Elections...
For this weeks nonscientific survey of insiders in government and politics, we asked about Labor Day and the kickoff to the sprint to the November elections.
https://www.texastribune.org/2016/09/08/inside-intelligence-about-kickoff-fall-elections/
Nearly two-thirds of the insiders said the Labor Day holiday still serves its role of focusing attention on races, especially those down-ballot. About a third thought the conventions are the true kickoff to the general election season now.Now, I don't know if the 34 times convicted Felon for Conspiring to Commit Election Fraud in a scheme to "improperly influence" (steal) the 2016 presidential election, a big deal crime in New York State, was simply too ignorant about that long held understanding about the timing of the kick-off for most voters' attention in a general election or if he had been made aware of it but his Cognitive Incapacity left him frozen, left to meander aimlessly directly into an open manhole about it.
I'll leave that up to the armchair physicians' diagnoses here.
I wouldn't put them in jail, although they were dead wrong to go after Trump for covering up a one night stand and an affair. This was Bragg fulfilling a campaign promise, plain and simple. Trump was only prosecuted because he's unpopular in Manhattan. So what's next? Maybe some county in the deep red Texas Panhandle goes after Biden for channeling loans to his brother through his Delaware attorney? That would be fitting considering the involvement of Trump's attorney, Michael Cohen, in Bragg's prosecution.The law is the law, Trump is not above it, and he broke it to dupe the American people into voting him into the highest office in the land. The guy had gotten away with stuff all his professional life without being held accountable. Well no more! He better hope he wins. Because that's the only way most of his current legal troubles are going away. But don't you worry because you see he is stupid. Which means he will find plenty more new piles of shit to step in. And it's so ironic too since he called everyone else stupid. What's alarming is how intelligent people who know he's stupid and a lying scumbag can turnaround and vote for him anyway. What did you say? He had a one night stand. The whole world knows that! And yet, he stands there and says, "I didn't have sex with a porn star". Yes he did, and we all know it.
It's a bald faced lie and everybody knows that. And we all know he's lying and acted in bad faith about stuff far worse than that. Felonious Chump needs to be held accountable for the wrongs he perpetrated against the United States, as President no less. And speaking of cases that should not have been brought, Hunter Biden should not have been prosecuted for the gun charge. Look at the facts and you find that other people in similar circumstances typically are not charged unless certain aggravating circumstances are also present in the case. Those aggravating circumstances were not present in his case. But he was prosecuted anyway because he's a Biden, and the Biden family has chosen to accept the adverse outcome, unlike the Trumps who act as if they should be held above the law for their own transgressions.
Note: I too have had sex with a porn star. Fucked her in the ass in my hotel room. The difference is that I did not lie about it and try to cover it up while also trying to get people to vote for me for President! Aaahahaha!
As far as spiking the ball, why would I do that? You douches may think 2020 was the most fair election of all time, but we don't, and among one of the many reasons I think that is the Democratic primaries were rigged. But I am not spiking the football when I think you douches have the refs paid off.A 1,001 right wing conspiracy theories! And the only two possible outcomes in an election are that your piece of shit won or the election was stolen right? It can't possibly be that the other guy actually won. Talk about being a douche. You're as "douchey" as they come! But hey we're still here waiting. Waiting all the live long day for even a shred of evidence that the election was stolen. No, American democracy worked! And we're not about to allow a bunch of extremist turds from the right to turn America into some dictatorial shit hole country (remember that huh) like Iraq under Saddam Hussein who "consistently" got 90% of the vote. Right! That's the kind of America Trumpster turdsters would have. A shit hole America. Yeah? Well the rest of us aren't having it!
I hear the "Biden must quit" crowd repeating the same odd refrain:
1. Trump told lie after lie after lie.
2. Joe Biden did not call him out on those lies.
3. We need a candidate who will call Trump out on his lies and not let him just get away with it.
Questions:
Didn't these people watch the Presidential Debate Quiz Show?
Didn't they understand what the agreed upon ground rules were?
Uh, several of Joe Biden's responses began with some variation of "he's LYING", "Everything he just said was a LIE" and so on.
Uh, the ground rules were the Quiz Show contestants could NOT jump in, interrupt or talk over the other Contestant or his mic would be cut off. Which, if Biden had done what these critics appear to be wishing he had done, typically pro Repub Mainstream Media would be having a party showing video clips of an out-of-control, rule-flaunting, angry faced Joe Biden's mouth moving with no audio for it.
This was not the kind of Presidential Debate Quiz Show those critics apparently wish it had been; There was no open mic for both sides throughout.
There was a strict 2 minute limit with a strict 1 minute response time.
Sure, Biden could have spent the entire 3 minutes total allotted to him per question itemizing every 30-50 lies Trump told throughout, he's lying, he's lying, he's lying. But instead I counted and cited here several important policy proposals and plans for his 2nd term.
There was no cheering crowd, each side applauding an interruption and rewarding their guy for the loudest, funniest or craziest zinger.
The fact that Joe Biden kept the rules squarely in his mind, the mic cut-off issue and the time limits etc for every one of those 90 minutes, all while making it clear that he understood and was pointing out Trump's constant lying AND still putting on the record those popular 2nd term proposals and plans argues as much as anything that Biden, despite his cold and hoarse voice, was totally cognizant of the rules and parameters of that Quiz Show far better than his critics did.
I keep waiting for somebody on the typically pro Repub MSM to remind their audience of the exacting rules for that Quiz Show and how it was meant to calmly and unemotionally convey intelligent proposals and policy plans for a 2nd term, of which there were none from Trump, instead of one of those rousing, zinger-filled, crowd-cheering free-for-alls.
But 5-6 days later, nothing.
Elvis 2008
07-03-24, 16:23
It's easy for presidents to have immunity for their official acts. Just don't do anything illegal and you have immunity. Why would any president need SCOTUS authorized immunity if they aren't into some nefarious shit? Presidents are not kings.LOL.
Bill Clinton lied to a grand jury.
Hiliary Clinton had top secret documents on a private server.
Barrack Obama killed an American citizen without a trial or due process.
Joe Biden kept top secret documents in his garage.
You have to go back to Jimmy Carter, the worst president in my lifetime, to find a Democratic president who may not have broken the law.
You are just so messed up in the head you think because Democratic presidents or candidates were not charged that they did not break the law when they sure as fuck did.
That is the problem with you Democratic douches. You keep saying rule of law when you mean rule of law only for Republicans.
I have already laid out that the average American breaks three laws a day and that you often cannot even see what the law is and how it often conflicts itself, and that has not sunk in yet. So let me ask you Xpartan, being a monger, why aren't you in jail? Are you going to tell me you have not broken any laws?
Elvis 2008
07-03-24, 16:46
This was 3 months ago.
Maybe I missed it but did CNN have Carl Bernstein on in the past 3 months to discuss anything HE HEARD about these obvious signs of dementia in Donald Trump?
Trumps latest gaffe saw him forgetting New York Governor in rambling speech.
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/trump-latest-gaffe-saw-him-211326449.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAL3MyBR_rYrzTmh_f1UGFaVRI-cExPvIvcggnY2xdATx2cGUWicgKYhtvqTCoxtjyDyFoR351PVDIFKPkI4Vy0zg1GLHAnRspSly8lYJ4h-Jt-Ur6nzWNqIMNUakkIkKwZWLdoNL7H1T5ehHalQp5Dzm6SxwMKBaEvSqCX5GQcgc
Feeble, Confused And Tired: Donald Trump Torched After Bizarre Gaffe-Filled Appearance.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/feeble-confused-tired-trump-torched-085918760.htmlYou can stop with the show now Tooms. The odds have changed dramatically. Kamala Harris is 3 X more likely to get the Democratic nomination than Biden is. In fact, in the last two hours, Kamala Harris has gone from dead even odds to 3:1 in favor that she will be the Democratic party nominee. Odds have gone from 50-50 to 3:1 in the last few hours.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/kamala-rising-harris-blows-past-competition-predictit-market-wagons-begin-circle
So now Biden is doing something even you douches here cannot admit: he is fucking demented as hell.
As for Harris being the nominee, practically no one in the Democratic party wanted her. She was less popular than Biden was. So why Harris?
The issue has to do with money. The only person who can get all the funds raised at this point is Harris. Harris cannot get the money if Biden quits. He has to be declared incompetent. The excuse can be given then that people who donated to the Biden-Harris campaign knew that if something happened to Biden, Harris could step in. Any other person comes in and all the money Biden raised has to be sent back to donors.
Harris got less than 1% of the vote in 2016 when she ran for president then. She only got to be AG because she ran as a Democrat in California and Dems always win there. She was funded and backed by Willie Brown who was using tax payer money to pay to fuck her. Then she got to be VP by kissing Joe Biden's ass and has been a train wreck as VP. That is all she has done well politically, suck dick and kiss ass. LOL.
So now we got the disastrous debate and now Democrats are going to choose someone as their nominee not on popularity or performance or the ability to win elections. No, she will be the nominee totally because of money. You cannot make this shit up.
Excellent posts gentlemen. I don't have time to write much now but think you may find these links interesting, from predict. Org, a betting site.
Who will win the 2024 Democratic presidential nomination?
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7057/Who-will-win-the-2024-Democratic-presidential-nomination
As of the moment I wrote this, the punters were favoring Harris over Biden to be the nominee, but it's changing moment by moment.
And another one, who will win the 2024 US Presidential election?
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7456/Who-will-win-the-2024-US-presidential-election
Elvis 2008
07-03-24, 19:38
A 1,001 right wing conspiracy theories! And the only two possible outcomes in an election are that your piece of shit won or the election was stolen right? It can't possibly be that the other guy actually won. Talk about being a douche. You're as "douchey" as they come! But hey we're still here waiting. Waiting all the live long day for even a shred of evidence that the election was stolen. No, American democracy worked! And we're not about to allow a bunch of extremist turds from the right to turn America into some dictatorial shit hole country (remember that huh) like Iraq under Saddam Hussein who "consistently" got 90% of the vote. Right! That's the kind of America Trumpster turdsters would have. A shit hole America. Yeah? Well the rest of us aren't having it!You are engaged in conspiracy theory if you think there is no cheating in an election. The question is how much. 40,000 votes that are different and Trump wins. There are at least 100,000 ballots with only Biden's name on them and no one else's. How does anyone know if those ballots are real? How many other elections had 100,000 people voting only for president? I do not know if those ballots were legit, and neither do you.
You got Democrats in Detroit putting up poster boards so people could not see what was going on. In Atlanta, Republicans were kicked out of offices and told counting stopped when it was ongoing.
No one said there was no cheating. What was said was there was not SIGNIFICANT cheating.
But we Republicans even know where the worst cheating was likely going on: Atlanta, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Detroit, and Milwaukee.
And then you look at the black vote, and there were more black votes for Biden than Obama. Really?
I said at the time if Democrats cheated enough to win, it was the fault of Republicans for not stopping them. I said Republicans had to accept Biden as president even if we do not think he won, and protesting after the fact was futile.
You don't know how bad the cheating was in 2020, and your saying there was none is the kookiest conspiracy theory there is.
And when Dems try to keep Trump off the ballot, try to throw him in jail, ransack his home with a SWAT team, and impeach him twice for bullshit, you douches lose nearly all credibility. Why would anyone believe you douches did not rig the 2020 elections when you are rigging the 2024 election right now? Hell, your nominee is likely to be someone who did not win an election.
You can stop with the show now Tooms. The odds have changed dramatically. Kamala Harris is 3 X more likely to get the Democratic nomination than Biden is. In fact, in the last two hours, Kamala Harris has gone from dead even odds to 3:1 in favor that she will be the Democratic party nominee. Odds have gone from 50-50 to 3:1 in the last few hours.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/kamala-rising-harris-blows-past-competition-predictit-market-wagons-begin-circle
So now Biden is doing something even you douches here cannot admit: he is fucking demented as hell.
As for Harris being the nominee, practically no one in the Democratic party wanted her. She was less popular than Biden was. So why Harris?
The issue has to do with money. The only person who can get all the funds raised at this point is Harris. Harris cannot get the money if Biden quits. He has to be declared incompetent. The excuse can be given then that people who donated to the Biden-Harris campaign knew that if something happened to Biden, Harris could step in. Any other person comes in and all the money Biden raised has to be sent back to donors.
Harris got less than 1% of the vote in 2016 when she ran for president then. She only got to be AG because she ran as a Democrat in California and Dems always win there. She was funded and backed by Willie Brown who was using tax payer money to pay to fuck her. Then she got to be VP by kissing Joe Biden's ass and has been a train wreck as VP. That is all she has done well politically, suck dick and kiss ass. LOL.
So now we got the disastrous debate and now Democrats are going to choose someone as their nominee not on popularity or performance or the ability to win elections. No, she will be the nominee totally because of money. You cannot make this shit up.Thanks. I will take that as a confirmation that No, CNN did not have Carl Bernstein or anyone else of note on to report anything THEY HEARD about Trump's alarming and increasing classic signs of senility and dementia over the past 3 months since those reports of it in lesser media outlets.
That's what I thought.
You are engaged in conspiracy theory if you think there is no cheating in an election. The question is how much. 40,000 votes that are different and Trump wins. There are at least 100,000 ballots with only Biden's name on them and no one else's. How does anyone know if those ballots are real? How many other elections had 100,000 people voting only for president? I do not know if those ballots were legit, and neither do you.
You got Democrats in Detroit putting up poster boards so people could not see what was going on. In Atlanta, Republicans were kicked out of offices and told counting stopped when it was ongoing.
No one said there was no cheating. What was said was there was not SIGNIFICANT cheating.
But we Republicans even know where the worst cheating was likely going on: Atlanta, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Detroit, and Milwaukee.
And then you look at the black vote, and there were more black votes for Biden than Obama. Really?
I said at the time if Democrats cheated enough to win, it was the fault of Republicans for not stopping them. I said Republicans had to accept Biden as president even if we do not think he won, and protesting after the fact was futile.
You don't know how bad the cheating was in 2020, and your saying there was none is the kookiest conspiracy theory there is.
And when Dems try to keep Trump off the ballot, try to throw him in jail, ransack his home with a SWAT team, and impeach him twice for bullshit, you douches lose nearly all credibility. Why would anyone believe you douches did not rig the 2020 elections when you are rigging the 2024 election right now? Hell, your nominee is likely to be someone who did not win an election.Any one of the true pro America, pro democracy Patriots here could and has destroyed every one of Elvis' total BS points in that post, right?
But imagine being hit with that same firehose level of total BS in a live setting where you have 2 minutes to call out each lie for the lie it is, maybe another 1 minute of rebuttal but where the point and strict limitations of that live event is to also spend your allotted time citing your historic level of positive results accomplished AND your proposals and plans for the future! Truth and substance, not a crowd rousing circus of stupid zingers.
And you don't get to sit down and respond in text where you have plenty of time to consider and craft it. But live on national television in 2 minutes and a 1 minute rebuttal to a further firehose of Trumpian Repub MAGA BS as in Elvis' rant. LOL.
Thank you, Elvis, for providing the perfect example of how your Trumpian Repub MAGA's Gish Gallop rhetorical chnique works even in text form.
Gish gallop:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
It WAS a terrible day for America
It's easy for presidents to have immunity for their official acts. Just don't do anything illegal and you have immunity. Why would any president need SCOTUS authorized immunity if they aren't into some nefarious shit? Presidents are not kings.
A Dark and Sadden Day Indeed! Especially, since SCOTUS no longer rules by law, but along conservative Repub partisan lines. Does the corrupt SCOTUS partisan ruling signify the last days of democracy?
Yes, the Trump Immunity Ruling on July 1st, 2024, while historic, is deeply troubling at the same time. I would venture to guess, perhaps even a pivotal moment in US history, where that Pandora's box (of US Rule by President vs. King), from a corrupt 2/3 conservative SCOTUS, has plunged Americans on a path into the political abyss.
While some here are under the impression, a standing US president would NEVER say, Navy Seal Team Six, his political enemies, rivals or detractors of any stripe. They are sorely mistaken and only need to take a good look at, the normalization of the J6 insurrection/attempted coup (something Americans thought would never happen) and all the right-wing despots all around the world doing just that, as their rivals mysteriously "fall out of windows". And don't forget "...absolute power, corrupts absolutely!"
PLEASE! Let us not forget either, that we're dealing with a corrupt 2/3 conservative SCOTUS. And it was always painfully clear, they have always had Trump's back and were never gonna let another Repub President, see jail-time or suffer The Rule of Law. Given that two (2) of the conservative judges (Thomas and Alito), had known direct and indirect ties to the J6 insurrection and never recused themselves, is very telling, indeed.
And while President Biden, may now have "King like powers", rest assured that may not translate as well, under a corrupt 2/3 conservative SCOTUS, where the rules of law, "suddenly shift", according to partisanship politics and who's in the White House. Meaning those "King like powers" in all likelihood, would look, feel and convey something very different, than if say, a narcissist, lying, cheater, racist, fascist, dictatorial "Project 2025" president were in office and a 2/3 conservative SCOTUS is presiding.
So I guess it's all down to the ballot-box (even as Repubs want to take this away from folks), as the last bastion of democracy?
A Dark and Sadden Day Indeed! Especially, since SCOTUS no longer rules by law, but along conservative Repub partisan lines. Does the corrupt SCOTUS partisan ruling signify the last days of democracy?
Yes, the Trump Immunity Ruling on July 1st, 2024, while historic, is deeply troubling at the same time. I would venture to guess, perhaps even a pivotal moment in US history, where that Pandora's box (of US Rule by President vs. King), from a corrupt 2/3 conservative SCOTUS, has plunged Americans on a path into the political abyss.
While some here are under the impression, a standing US president would NEVER say, Navy Seal Team Six, his political enemies, rivals or detractors of any stripe. They are sorely mistaken and only need to take a good look at, the normalization of the J6 insurrection/attempted coup (something Americans thought would never happen) and all the right-wing despots all around the world doing just that, as their rivals mysteriously "fall out of windows". And don't forget "...absolute power, corrupts absolutely!"
PLEASE! Let us not forget either, that we're dealing with a corrupt 2/3 conservative SCOTUS. And it was always painfully clear, they have always had Trump's back and were never gonna let another Repub President, see jail-time or suffer The Rule of Law. Given that two (2) of the conservative judges (Thomas and Alito), had known direct and indirect ties to the J6 insurrection and never recused themselves, is very telling, indeed.
And while President Biden, may now have "King like powers", rest assured that may not translate as well, under a corrupt 2/3 conservative SCOTUS, where the rules of law, "suddenly shift", according to partisanship politics and who's in the White House. Meaning those "King like powers" in all likelihood, would look, feel and convey something very different, than if say, a narcissist, lying, cheater, racist, fascist, dictatorial "Project 2025" president were in office and a 2/3 conservative SCOTUS is presiding.
So I guess it's all down to the ballot-box (even as Repubs want to take this away from folks), as the last bastion of democracy?As long as the King takes any silly threat of indictment all the way up to the Repub MAGA 6 in the SCOTUS for The Ultimate Ruling on it, it is 100% certain the King will prevail.
Now, I hope nobody is suggesting the highly principled, Federalist, Original-ist, non political Repub MAGA 6 would rule any question of criminality differently for, say, a King Biden vs a King Trump!
Or a King Gaetz.
Or a Queen Greene.
Perish the thought!
MarquisdeSade1
07-04-24, 08:38
A 1,001 right wing conspiracy theories! And the only two possible outcomes in an election are that your piece of shit won or the election was stolen right? It can't possibly be that the other guy actually won. Talk about being a douche. You're as "douchey" as they come! But hey we're still here waiting. Waiting all the live long day for even a shred of evidence that the election was stolen. No, American democracy worked! And we're not about to allow a bunch of extremist turds from the right to turn America into some dictatorial shit hole country (remember that huh) like Iraq under Saddam Hussein who "consistently" got 90% of the vote. Right! That's the kind of America Trumpster turdsters would have. A shit hole America. Yeah? Well the rest of us aren't having it!https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/31/how-the-2020-election-was-rigged/
You are engaged in conspiracy theory if you think there is no cheating in an election. The question is how much. And then you look at the black vote, and there were more black votes for Biden than Obama. Really? You don't know how bad the cheating was in 2020, and your saying there was none is the kookiest conspiracy theory there is.Then prove it! That disbarred dolt Guiliani couldn't do it. But maybe you can then ay? Either put up or shut up with something that can stand up in a court of law, or for once and for all shut up! And stop blaming black folks for shit that anybody with a real brain knows you can't prove because it didn't happen. The ignorant, mean-spitited racism! Man! Reveal real facts that prove your allegations or bugger off bloke. If there were true facts that would hold water in a court of law you and your ilk for sure would have produced them already. But you can't because there aren't any. So you engage in this around and around "gish gallop" as Tooms puts it. Nobody except for other deranged Trumpster turdsters like yourself are buying your "bullshyit"! Oh wait a sec, wait a sec! We've paid off all the courts too haven't we? I forgot about that! Even if Trump appointed judges one after another ruled against him on this too. Got to be because "Democrat douches" paid them all off! LMAO LOLOLOL! You deranged, dangerous Trump sycophants are a piece of work. Do you think this is a game? I'll tell you what. Try storming the Capitol or any other violent act to topple the process in this country again and see what happens. You'll rue the day you ever out set to attack the seat of American democracy again. Believe this. This is not a game.
A Dark and Sadden Day Indeed! Especially, since SCOTUS no longer rules by law, but along conservative Repub partisan lines. Does the corrupt SCOTUS partisan ruling signify the last days of democracy? Yes, the Trump Immunity Ruling on July 1st, 2024, while historic, is deeply troubling at the same time. I would venture to guess, perhaps even a pivotal moment in US history, where that Pandora's box (of US Rule by President vs. King), from a corrupt 2/3 conservative SCOTUS, has plunged Americans on a path into the political abyss.Look man. You guys have got to stop being myopic and get real about this. Remember that one day there will be a Democratic President in office. And do you want lying, mean-spirited, assholes going after that person for everything they do while in office? Presidents, both Democratic and Republican, need to have immunity for their official acts. Otherwise, they will be hamstrung to do anything is office. We have a system of checks and balances and equal powers between the branches, and immunity for official presidential acts is a way to preserve that. Same with appointing judges for life. Otherwise, you have ex-Presidents being thrown in jail because somebody didn't like their policies or judges being jailed because somebody didn't like their rulings. Now that would be a sad day for America. We may as be some place that's less than who we've been on this from our founding, like Brazil or some shit.
Now, you're damn right Trump needs to be held accountable! But not allowing immunity for officially performing the job is not the way. Again, remember that no immunity would apply to both Republican and Democratic presidents. So, the question becomes what's an official act and what isn't? The Supreme Court remanded the case back to the lower courts to consider that question. Like Tiny said, Trump is nowhere off the hook. Think about it. When he took all of those classified documents to his house, he was no longer President of the United States. He was a private citizen. As such, in my view he was not acting in an official capacity. Which means he wasn't entitled to take all that stuff (even if he was classified info has to be properly handled which he didn't do). Of course, you know his lawyers will come up with all kinds of bullshit arguments about why it was in an official capacity, but the government will have all kinds of arguments for why it wasn't. It will all have to be litigated, and I think the government will win. The government has a pretty good record of kicking Trump's fat ass when things finally do get into court. He loses court cases on the merits again and again and again, including in civil court. Terrible client to represent!
In short, the sky is not falling because Presidents (not just Trump) have been granted immunity for their official acts. The granting of immunity for certain types of officials acting in their official capacities in nothing new in American jurisprudence. And indeed, given the nature of man (mean-spirited, petty, vindictive you name it), it's a necessary tool to allow the system to function. Regarding Trump himself, I think some incredibly strong arguments can be made that he did plenty wrong that falls outside of an "official act". The absolute worst thing that can happen is if he wins again. Then he can just wipe stuff away. Seems so wrong! But, I'm a big believer that what goes around comes around. Which means that one way or another? He's going to get what he deserves! This is high stakes!
https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/31/how-the-2020-election-was-rigged/From that ridiculous book:
In 2020, progressives championed early voting and mail-in voting, knowing that Republicans preferred to vote in person on the day. To strengthen the case, progressives campaigned for all Americans to be locked down against COVID-19, contrary to the pan-Asian norm of locking down local hotspots. A general lockdown had the additional advantage of ruining the national economy, which had been booming, to Trumps credit. Further, lockdown prevented Trump from campaigning at his best (in person), and excused the stumbling, bumbling Biden from leaving his home.Now, how about some facts.
Gee, I didn't know so-called president Donald J. Trump was himself a school and business-closing "progressive". LOL.
Trump denounces mail-in voting and again casts doubt on the election outcome.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/30/trump-mail-in-voting-423432
President Donald Trump railed against mail-in voting and unsubstantiated claims that ballots have been found in wastepaper baskets, even as former Vice President Joe Biden urged Americans to exercise their right to vote by any means necessary.
"There is fraud; they found them in creeks, they found them with the name Trump in a wastepaper basket, the president said during Tuesday nights debate. This will be a fraud like you have never seen.Government response updates: Trump issues stricter guidelines to stop virus spread.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-grapples-coronavirus-guidelines-markets-plummet/story?id=69620218
President Donald Trump and his coronavirus task force on Monday issued new, stricter guidelines to stop the spread of the disease, including that states with evidence of community transmission should close bars, restaurants and other indoor and outdoor venues where groups of people congregate.
The new nationwide guidelines also call on Americans to avoid gatherings of more than 10 people; avoid eating and drinking in bars, restaurants, and public food courts; and encouraging schooling from home across the country.Oh, and about that "booming economy" in 2019 thanks to Trump's brilliant economic policies and stewardship. LOL:
U.S. manufacturing was in a mild recession during 2019, a sore spot for the economy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/01/17/us-manufacturing-was-mild-recession-during-2019-sore-spot-economy/
U.S. manufacturing was in a mild recession for all of 2019, according to data released Friday by the Federal Reserve. The downturn is a sore spot in an otherwise healthy U.S. economy and a potential weakness for President Trump, who promised to bring back blue-collar jobs.The Verdict Is In: Farm Bankruptcies Up in 2019.
https://www.fb.org/market-intel/the-verdict-is-in-farm-bankruptcies-up-in-2019
While well below historical highs, Chapter 12 family farm bankruptcies in 2019 increased by nearly 20% from the previous year, according to recently released data from the USA Courts. Compared with figures from over the last decade, the 20% increase trails only 2010, the year following the Great Recession, when Chapter 12 bankruptcies rose 33%. https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2020/article/job-market-remains-tight-in-2019-as-the-unemployment-rate-falls-to-its-lowest-level-since-1969.htm
The average monthly job gains of 178,000 in 2019 slowed slightly from the previous year (+193,000). In percentage terms, 2019 experienced the weakest calendar-year job gain (+1. 4 percent) since 2010, when nonfarm employment grew by 0. 8 percent. The deceleration in employment growth in 2019 coincided with a deceleration in the growth of real gross domestic product,1 which slowed from 2. 9 percent in 2018 to 2. 3 in 2019. (See table 1.)And let us never forget that in 2019 Trump was still busy adding to his sterling economic, job creating and national security results legacy by laying the groundwork for Trump's Pandemic by defunding and removing the Early Warning / Pandemic Prevention teams from those Chinese labs against all dire expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid.
Consequently, it is a delightful irony that one of the things that idiotic book blames for Trump losing so badly to Joe Biden is, you guessed it, Trump's Pandemic! Lolol.
Elvis 2008
07-04-24, 15:04
Any one of the true pro America, pro democracy Patriots here could and has destroyed every one of Elvis' total BS points in that post, right?
But imagine being hit with that same firehose level of total BS in a live setting where you have 2 minutes to call out each lie for the lie it is, maybe another 1 minute of rebuttal but where the point and strict limitations of that live event is to also spend your allotted time citing your historic level of positive results accomplished AND your proposals and plans for the future! Truth and substance, not a crowd rousing circus of stupid zingers.
And you don't get to sit down and respond in text where you have plenty of time to consider and craft it. But live on national television in 2 minutes and a 1 minute rebuttal to a further firehose of Trumpian Repub MAGA BS as in Elvis' rant. LOL. ]
Thank you, Elvis, for providing the perfect example of how your Trumpian Repub MAGA's Gish Gallop rhetorical chnique works even in text form.I am going to have to start calling you Loony Tooms. You realize we are not in a TV debate right? That you have more than 2 minutes to respond?
And you are doing the Alinsky thing. Trump called out Biden for his being a liar. Trump did not have to win the debate. He just had to appear sane. And his two biggest blows were laughing off Biden's handicap and saying, "I do not know what he said, and I think he does not know what he said. ".
Biden took 9 days off while being paid by taxpayers to prep for the debate. Taxpayers should get a refund.
And the whole Biden is honest and Trump is a liar schtick is like Biden, it is getting very, very old.
MarquisdeSade1
07-04-24, 20:33
I hear the "Biden must quit" crowd repeating the same odd refrain:
1. Trump told lie after lie after lie.
2. Joe Biden did not call him out on those lies.
3. We need a candidate who will call Trump out on his lies and not let him just get away with it.
Questions:
Didn't these people watch the Presidential Debate Quiz Show?
Didn't they understand what the agreed upon ground rules were?
Uh, several of Joe Biden's responses began with some variation of "he's LYING", "Everything he just said was a LIE" and so on.
Uh, the ground rules were the Quiz Show contestants could NOT jump in, interrupt or talk over the other Contestant or his mic would be cut off. Which, if Biden had done what these critics appear to be wishing he had done, typically pro Repub Mainstream Media would be having a party showing video clips of an out-of-control, rule-flaunting, angry faced Joe Biden's mouth moving with no audio for it.
This was not the kind of Presidential Debate Quiz Show those critics apparently wish it had been; There was no open mic for both sides throughout.
There was a strict 2 minute limit with a strict 1 minute response time.
Sure, Biden could have spent the entire 3 minutes total allotted to him per question itemizing every 30-50 lies Trump told throughout, he's lying, he's lying, he's lying. But instead I counted and cited here several important policy proposals and plans for his 2nd term.
There was no cheering crowd, each side applauding an interruption and rewarding their guy for the loudest, funniest or craziest zinger.
The fact that Joe Biden kept the rules squarely in his mind, the mic cut-off issue and the time limits etc for every one of those 90 minutes, all while making it clear that he understood and was pointing out Trump's constant lying AND still putting on the record those popular 2nd term proposals and plans argues as much as anything that Biden, despite his cold and hoarse voice, was totally cognizant of the rules and parameters of that Quiz Show far better than his critics did.
I keep waiting for somebody on the typically pro Repub MSM to remind their audience of the exacting rules for that Quiz Show and how it was meant to calmly and unemotionally convey intelligent proposals and policy plans for a 2nd term, of which there were none from Trump, instead of one of those rousing, zinger-filled, crowd-cheering free-for-alls.
But 5-6 days later, nothing.https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/economist-cover-joe-biden/2024/07/04/id/1171280/
I am going to have to start calling you Loony Tooms. You realize we are not in a TV debate right? That you have more than 2 minutes to respond?
And you are doing the Alinsky thing. Trump called out Biden for his being a liar. Trump did not have to win the debate. He just had to appear sane. And his two biggest blows were laughing off Biden's handicap and saying, "I do not know what he said, and I think he does not know what he said. ".
Biden took 9 days off while being paid by taxpayers to prep for the debate. Taxpayers should get a refund.
And the whole Biden is honest and Trump is a liar schtick is like Biden, it is getting very, very old.Elvis, my man! You are spot on! I think I will call him Loony Tooms, too. He used to use Smoothie as a handle but things got all jumbled up or maybe too rough, apparently. Anyway all the dumbocrats on this board are freaking out now because their shit is hitting the fan. Even the media types so you know it is bad for them. I wonder when the dumb fuckers will finally realize that Biden and Company are responsible for the tanked economy, rise in crime and the whole woke thing. Bring it on, dumbocrats! Your days are numbered!
Elvis 2008
07-04-24, 23:15
Then prove it! That disbarred dolt Guiliani couldn't do it. But maybe you can then ay? Either put up or shut up with something that can stand up in a court of law, or for once and for all shut up! And stop blaming black folks for shit that anybody with a real brain knows you can't prove because it didn't happen.LOL. We got douches screaming all day about SCOTUS and now you have total faith in courts. You douches kill me!
A federal judge can always dismiss any case he does not want to hear by saying the person suing lacks standing, and that is what happened with all the court cases. The case has to be accepted by a judge before depositions begin so either you know this and are full of shit or you are ignorant.
So a judge has to grant the person filing suit has standing before any depositions are heard, and you cannot prove anything without depositions.
So in Georgia where they pulled out a bunch of ballot boxes from under tables after Republicans left, and a douche like you says, "The judges said it is fine" is lying.
My understanding was Georgia was actually the one state where Trump had the right to a trial with the right to depose. Like in the federal courts, the Georgia courts wormed out of hearing the cases even though they were legally required to do so.
The judges did not dismiss the election challenges then because they lacked merit, but you douches keep lying and say that was the reason.
And you are out of your fucking mind if you think there was no cheating in 2020.
Elvis 2008
07-04-24, 23:16
Look man. You guys have got to stop being myopic and get real about this. Remember that one day there will be a Democratic President in office. And do you want lying, mean-spirited, assholes going after that person for everything they do while in office? Presidents, both Democratic and Republican, need to have immunity for their official acts. Otherwise, they will be hamstrung to do anything is office. We have a system of checks and balances and equal powers between the branches, and immunity for official presidential acts is a way to preserve that. Same with appointing judges for life. Otherwise, you have ex-Presidents being thrown in jail because somebody didn't like their policies or judges being jailed because somebody didn't like their rulings. Now that would be a sad day for America. We may as be some place that's less than who we've been on this from our founding, like Brazil or some shit.
Now, you're damn right Trump needs to be held accountable! But not allowing immunity for officially performing the job is not the way. Again, remember that no immunity would apply to both Republican and Democratic presidents. So, the question becomes what's an official act and what isn't? The Supreme Court remanded the case back to the lower courts to consider that question. Like Tiny said, Trump is nowhere off the hook. Think about it. When he took all of those classified documents to his house, he was no longer President of the United States. He was a private citizen. As such, in my view he was not acting in an official capacity. Which means he wasn't entitled to take all that stuff (even if he was classified info has to be properly handled which he didn't do). Of course, you know his lawyers will come up with all kinds of bullshit arguments about why it was in an official capacity, but the government will have all kinds of arguments for why it wasn't. It will all have to be litigated, and I think the government will win. The government has a pretty good record of kicking Trump's fat ass when things finally do get into court. He loses court cases on the merits again and again and again, including in civil court. Terrible client to represent!
In short, the sky is not falling because Presidents (not just Trump) have been granted immunity for their official acts. The granting of immunity for certain types of officials acting in their official capacities in nothing new in American jurisprudence. And indeed, given the nature of man (mean-spirited, petty, vindictive you name it), it's a necessary tool to allow the system to function. Regarding Trump himself, I think some incredibly strong arguments can be made that he did plenty wrong that falls outside of an "official act". The absolute worst thing that can happen is if he wins again. Then he can just wipe stuff away. Seems so wrong! But, I'm a big believer that what goes around comes around. Which means that one way or another? He's going to get what he deserves! This is high stakes!LOL. Cane, you keep making sensible posts like this and I am going to have to stop calling you douche. This was a shocker.
LOL. Cane, you keep making sensible posts like this and I am going to have to stop calling you douche. This was a shocker.Yes, agreed, he has. Likewise I'm going to stop calling him "My Partisan Democrat Friend" and start calling him "My Democrat Friend."
Look man. You guys have got to stop being myopic and get real about this. Remember that one day there will be a Democratic President in office. And do you want lying, mean-spirited, assholes going after that person for everything they do while in office? Presidents, both Democratic and Republican, need to have immunity for their official acts. Otherwise, they will be hamstrung to do anything is office. Right. God only knows how this little pathetic country has managed to get anything done for 2+ centuries without a presidential immunity. Gee, that was close.
Elvis, my man! You are spot on! I think I will call him Loony Tooms, too. He used to use Smoothie as a handle but things got all jumbled up or maybe too rough, apparently. Anyway all the dumbocrats on this board are freaking out now because their shit is hitting the fan. Even the media types so you know it is bad for them. I wonder when the dumb fuckers will finally realize that Biden and Company are responsible for the tanked economy, rise in crime and the whole woke thing. Bring it on, dumbocrats! Your days are numbered!See, now short and sweet bursts of Repub MAGA lies like that are manageable. Thanks for keeping it at a Gish Trot instead of a Gish Gallop:
1. I have never had a user name on this site other than the one you see now.
2. The economy never tanked under either Obama-Biden or Biden-Harris. Both were astoundingly positive recoveries, expansions and jobs creation presidencies compared to the adjacent Repub administration.
Meaning, if you want to cite historic economic tanking, that would be the GW Bush economy and the Donald J. Trump economy. Don't even bother looking for a Dem economy for that over the past 100 years.
3. Crime is at decades' long lows under Biden after a couple of shocking upward spikes under Trump.
Look man. You guys have got to stop being myopic and get real about this. Remember that one day there will be a Democratic President in office. And do you want lying, mean-spirited, assholes going after that person for everything they do while in office? Presidents, both Democratic and Republican, need to have immunity for their official acts. Otherwise, they will be hamstrung to do anything is office. We have a system of checks and balances and equal powers between the branches, and immunity for official presidential acts is a way to preserve that. Same with appointing judges for life. Otherwise, you have ex-Presidents being thrown in jail because somebody didn't like their policies or judges being jailed because somebody didn't like their rulings. Now that would be a sad day for America. We may as be some place that's less than who we've been on this from our founding, like Brazil or some shit.
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In short, the sky is not falling because Presidents (not just Trump) have been granted immunity for their official acts. The granting of immunity for certain types of officials acting in their official capacities in nothing new in American jurisprudence. And indeed, given the nature of man (mean-spirited, petty, vindictive you name it), it's a necessary tool to allow the system to function. Regarding Trump himself, I think some incredibly strong arguments can be made that he did plenty wrong that falls outside of an "official act". The absolute worst thing that can happen is if he wins again. Then he can just wipe stuff away. Seems so wrong! But, I'm a big believer that what goes around comes around. Which means that one way or another? He's going to get what he deserves! This is high stakes!
Overall a good post on presidential immunity, much of it I've never disagreed with.
However, I think what your post failed to realize, state or mention, is the one distinction, I clearly empathized in my post (see below and EihTooms' "tongue in cheek" post), was that, no matter which "KING" sits a top the throne at the White House, ultimately, said "Kingly Powers" (aka. presidential immunity), won't be the same for a Dem vs. a Repub president, with a corrupt 2/3 conservative SCOTUS, that could and would preside and make these immunity decisions, as 2/3 conservative majority, for several decades to come.
...And while President Biden, may now have "King like powers", rest assured that may not translate as well, under a corrupt 2/3 conservative SCOTUS, where the rules of law, "suddenly shift", according to partisanship politics and who's in the White House. Meaning those "King like powers" in all likelihood, would look, feel and convey something very different, than if say, a narcissist, lying, cheater, racist, fascist, dictatorial "Project 2025" president were in office and a 2/3 conservative SCOTUS is presiding.
As long as the King takes any silly threat of indictment all the way up to the Repub MAGA 6 in the SCOTUS for The Ultimate Ruling on it, it is 100% certain the King will prevail.
Now, I hope nobody is suggesting the highly principled, Federalist, Original-ist, non political Repub MAGA 6 would rule any question of criminality differently for, say, a King Biden vs a King Trump!
Or a King Gaetz.
Or a Queen Greene.
Perish the thought!
Look, while Repubs would have you think, this ruling is no big deal, "nothing to see here"...it is every bit a huge deal. Just like the far reaching implications, with the overturning of Roe v. Wade, by this very same corrupt 2/3 conservative SCOTUS (aka. MAGA 6), the immunity ruling decision, comes with its own set of far reaching implications.
And while the sky may not be falling...today, let's not get blinded or lulled by Repub rhetoric, and not see "the bigger picture" at work here. Again, think the overturning of Roe v. Wade!
With a fascist conservative doctrine like "Project 2025", that seek to chip-away at our democracy, equalities and freedoms, it is very easy to think, that this type of decision, "equally" enables and supports immunity for a Dem president, as it does for Repub president.
When in reality (IMHO) nothing could be further from the truth. So given the fact, we have a corrupt 2/3 conservative SCOTUS (aka. MAGA 6) and they would have the final say, on what they feel, is and isn't immunity, for a president (supposedly, no matter the party affiliation)...doesn't really past the smell test, for me.
Yes, agreed, he has. Likewise I'm going to stop calling him "My Partisan Democrat Friend" and start calling him "My Democrat Friend."Well, it's better if we all can disagree without being disagreeable hahaha!
Elvis 2008
07-05-24, 16:11
When in reality (IMHO) nothing could be further from the truth. So given the fact, we have a corrupt 2/3 conservative SCOTUS (aka. MAGA 6) and they would have the final say, on what they feel, is and isn't immunity, for a president (supposedly, no matter the party affiliation)...doesn't really past the smell test, for me.And this is why I call you guys douches. You have a fucking president in office right now who is a Democrat, and you douches are griping that presidents have immunity and how this is all about Trump. You cheer on a 100% democratic jury, Democratic judge, and Democratic the in fucking New York that is trying to make decisions for the whole country, and you gripe about 2/3 of a jury being Republican. Wah! You douches whine and say it is not fair.
You, Xpartan, and Tooms need to move to China or Russia where there is one party rule because that is what you want and is the only way you are going to be happy.
And where is your "rule of law" bullshit now? Oh, I see when the law does not favor you, you whine like stuck pigs.
And again, you do not understand how judges and courts operate. SCOTUS hears 1% of cases petitioned to them. When it comes time for SCOTUS to makes a ruling, it is like a teacher with a red pen that marks something wrong and sends it back to the lower courts. They are going to let the lower courts make decision on what is official and what is not unless it is outrageous.
But here we go again with you douches and your fucking lame stream media. The media was saying SCOTUS lets presidents do whatever they want so Biden should assassinate Trump. You douches read whatever you think hurts you and then whine about it being so unfair. You fucking douches literally tried to win this election in the courts and now you are whining that you did not get away with it.
How dare any court have a Republican majority versus being 100% Democrat!
Elvis 2008
07-05-24, 16:22
Elvis, my man! You are spot on! I wonder when the dumb fuckers will finally realize that Biden and Company are responsible for the tanked economy, rise in crime and the whole woke thing. Bring it on, dumbocrats! Your days are numbered!Well, I admit it that Biden has been good for jobs creation and he had to be because now you have to work three jobs to pay your rent.
Seriously though, there has been no increase in jobs with native born Americans since 2018 and they are not distinguishing between part time and full time jobs. There is a huge discrepancy between unofficial and official surveys on employment.
And if you listen to Looney Tooms from Thailand, it is okay to go walking around East LA flashing cash. There is no crime under Biden.
As I am sure you know, half the cities are no longer reporting crime because there is so much of it they cannot keep up.
But if you listen to Loony Tooms, all those homeless folks are law abiding citizens. All that needle use is treatment for diabetes.
Elvis' perfect example of Trumpian Repub MAGA Gish Gallop in text.
Any one of the true pro America, pro democracy Patriots here could and has destroyed every one of Elvis' total BS points in that post, right?
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Thank you, Elvis, for providing the perfect example of how your Trumpian Repub MAGA's Gish Gallop rhetorical chnique works even in text form.
Then prove it! That disbarred dolt Guiliani couldn't do it. But maybe you can then ay? Either put up or shut up with something that can stand up in a court of law, or for once and for all shut up! ...
...If there were true facts that would hold water in a court of law you and your ilk for sure would have produced them already. But you can't because there aren't any. So you engage in this around and around "gish gallop" as Tooms puts it...
I often love to the phase "...great minds think a like, and weak minds seldom differ", knowing people will often lose sleep and struggle trying to figure out, of which "minds" they really are in the quote...but I digress.
Anywho, I couldn't help but fall outta my chair laughing when you both applied EihTooms' article on "gish gallop" to Elvis 2008, as that's who immediately came to mind (...kkkk!), when I initially read the article, that EihTooms posted (a few days ago), here:
Everyone noticed the flurry of lies coming out of Trump's pie hole at the Presidential Debate Quiz Show. It was no different from what we have all been hearing coming out of his pie hole since 2015.
But at this quiz show he kept coming back to a few favorite Trump Big Lies regarding Immigration, crime, the economy under him vs Biden, etc. I suspect because, even though he knows his only way to survive the kind of "Trump policy" scrutiny the debate threatened to provide required him to use the Gish Gallop technique, it was much easier for him to simply keep repeating a few favorite Trump Lies over and over again rather than come up with a variety of new ones for every question and response.
And, of course, he and his handlers knew that was an especially effective technique to use against a stutterer opponent. I also suspect he knows Biden will be much more prepared for it next time. If Trump is willing to risk a next time.
What Is Gish Gallop and What Does It Have To Do With Thursdays Debate?
https://bearingdrift.com/2024/06/29/what-is-gish-gallop-and-what-does-it-have-to-do-with-thursdays-debate/
Earlier I wanted to post, that the "Gish Gallop" article, sounded eerily similar to a tactic employed by our resident QAnon/MAGA conspiracist, INCEL and misogynist, Elvis 2008, but you guys beat me to the punch!
Well, one thing is definitely clear, the upstart "Gish Gallop" fledgling, is just a chip off the ol' Trump "Gish Gallop daddy-block" (....kkkk!)
CheckMate1
07-05-24, 20:46
Look man. You guys have got to stop being myopic and get real about this. Remember that one day there will be a Democratic President in office. And do you want lying, mean-spirited, assholes going after that person for everything they do while in office? Presidents, both Democratic and Republican, need to have immunity for their official acts. Otherwise, they will be hamstrung to do anything is office. We have a system of checks and balances and equal powers between the branches, and immunity for official presidential acts is a way to preserve that. Same with appointing judges for life. Otherwise, you have ex-Presidents being thrown in jail because somebody didn't like their policies or judges being jailed because somebody didn't like their rulings. Now that would be a sad day for America. We may as be some place that's less than who we've been on this from our founding, like Brazil or some shit.
Now, you're damn right Trump needs to be held accountable! But not allowing immunity for officially performing the job is not the way. Again, remember that no immunity would apply to both Republican and Democratic presidents. So, the question becomes what's an official act and what isn't? The Supreme Court remanded the case back to the lower courts to consider that question. Like Tiny said, Trump is nowhere off the hook. Think about it. When he took all of those classified documents to his house, he was no longer President of the United States. He was a private citizen. As such, in my view he was not acting in an official capacity. Which means he wasn't entitled to take all that stuff (even if he was classified info has to be properly handled which he didn't do). Of course, you know his lawyers will come up with all kinds of bullshit arguments about why it was in an official capacity, but the government will have all kinds of arguments for why it wasn't. It will all have to be litigated, and I think the government will win. The government has a pretty good record of kicking Trump's fat ass when things finally do get into court. He loses court cases on the merits again and again and again, including in civil court. Terrible client to represent!
In short, the sky is not falling because Presidents (not just Trump) have been granted immunity for their official acts. The granting of immunity for certain types of officials acting in their official capacities in nothing new in American jurisprudence. And indeed, given the nature of man (mean-spirited, petty, vindictive you name it), it's a necessary tool to allow the system to function. Regarding Trump himself, I think some incredibly strong arguments can be made that he did plenty wrong that falls outside of an "official act". The absolute worst thing that can happen is if he wins again. Then he can just wipe stuff away. Seems so wrong! But, I'm a big believer that what goes around comes around. Which means that one way or another? He's going to get what he deserves! This is high stakes!While I agree with your assessment that it is not the end of the world with how the decision came about, I will say that it is a miss to not close the loop of future "legal' briberies and corruptions, and criminal deeds.
Also, the decision to remand back to district court to determine if the allegations are within the boundaries of official acts that took 90 days to determine is a collosal waste of time. This court seems to be scared of making tough decisions.
248 years of presidents not going anywhere near the criminal court system, and yet the office "needs" this in order to perform its duty. Thomas Jefferson's Louisiana purchase; Lincoln's civil war; FDR A-bomb drops; Iran-Contra debacle; GW Bush's Iraq war; yet this guy is the one that says, if the president doesn't have absolute immunity then no one will be able to do the job of the president.
Also, the decision to remand back to district court to determine if the allegations are within the boundaries of official acts that took 90 days to determine is a collosal waste of time. This court seems to be scared of making tough decisions. 248 years of presidents not going anywhere near the criminal court system, and yet the office "needs" this in order to perform its duty. Thomas Jefferson's Louisiana purchase; Lincoln's civil war; FDR A-bomb drops; Iran-Contra debacle; GW Bush's Iraq war; yet this guy is the one that says, if the president doesn't have absolute immunity then no one will be able to do the job of the president.Correct, the court doesn't have the cajones to make hard decisions. And in case you haven't noticed. Things have changed over the 248 years you've mentioned. There's never been a Donald Trump before in our entire history! And so here and now is the inflection point where the issue must be addressed head on. Further, you also misstate what the court said. Nobody said a darn thing about "absolute immunity". It's immunity for "official acts". That's a critical distinction that must not be glossed over. And it isn't "me" who said it. The Supreme Court said it. I just happen to agree with them on this. Checkmate!
While I agree with your assessment that it is not the end of the world with how the decision came about, I will say that it is a miss to not close the loop of future "legal' briberies and corruptions, and criminal deeds.
Also, the decision to remand back to district court to determine if the allegations are within the boundaries of official acts that took 90 days to determine is a collosal waste of time. This court seems to be scared of making tough decisions.
248 years of presidents not going anywhere near the criminal court system, and yet the office "needs" this in order to perform its duty. Thomas Jefferson's Louisiana purchase; Lincoln's civil war; FDR A-bomb drops; Iran-Contra debacle; GW Bush's Iraq war; yet this guy is the one that says, if the president doesn't have absolute immunity then no one will be able to do the job of the president.Misinformed, misguided fool!
Elvis 2008
07-05-24, 22:10
I often love to the phase "...great minds think a like, and weak minds seldom differ", knowing people will often lose sleep and struggle trying to figure out, of which "minds" they really are in the quote...but I digress.
Anywho, I couldn't help but fall outta my chair laughing when you both applied EihTooms' article on "gish gallop" to Elvis 2008, as that's who immediately came to mind (...kkkk!), when I initially read the article, that EihTooms posted (a few days ago), here
Earlier I wanted to post, that the "Gish Gallop" article, sounded eerily similar to a tactic employed by our resident QAnon/MAGA conspiracist, INCEL and misogynist, Elvis 2008, but you guys beat me to the punch!I almost fell out of my chair thinking you and Loony Tooms think you have great minds. You two are certainly in line for Electroconvulsive therapy. You two have that in common. To be fair, a more fair person like Tiny might say you, Tooms, and Xpartan are suffering from cognitive dissonance.
I must be like the great Carnac to read your mind when reading this story, https://www.zerohedge.com/political/disney-heiress-halts-donations-democrats-until-biden-replaced.
Disney heiress Abigail Disney told CNBC on Thursday, July 4, that she plans to stop making political donations to the Democratic Party until President Biden withdraws from the presidential race. She is among a growing number of Democrat donors who are pausing donations until Biden steps aside.
Disney continued, "If Biden does not step down the Democrats will lose. Of that I am absolutely certain. The consequences for the loss will be genuinely dire. ".
Who is this woman? Blah, Blah, Blah. Zero Hedge sucks. Blah, blah, blah. Bothsider. Blah, blah, blah.
That is why I call you guys douches. You attack anything and anyone who interferes with your delusional view of the world. But wait, the article gets worse:
Later in the day, Biden showcased his plummeting mental acuity, even though leftist corporate media outlets and those in the White House lied to the nation for years about the president's cognitive capacities. On Philadelphia's WURD radio, the president called himself the first black woman to serve in the White House.
And there is audio and even more.
NEW: Hollywood Democratic megadonor Ari Emanuel torches President Joe Biden.
"I talked to a bunch of big donors, and they're moving all their money to Congress and the Senate. ".
"he gave us a bunch of malarkey, and I'm really pissed. We all should be really pissed. ".
"he is not the candidate anymore. This is a legal issue now. You can no longer remove him in three swing states: Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. There's only one democratic congress. Michigan.
They have to vote to remove him. I don't believe the Republican party in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin will do that. And, if they do, it's then Kamala Harris. This is legal, so lawyers will have to look at this.
Now, there are some questions about whether the delegates can do something. The lifeblood of a campaign is money, and maybe the only way this gets solved is if the money starts drying up.
It's a legal issue now. But we're in fuck city.
End of link.
So is the problem me and Trump? Because I do not see either of those donors mentioning us. Or is the problem Biden and your ridiculous Democratic douchery where you cannot tell a lie from the truth? Biden is just fine.
Quit your whining and insults, grab your balls, and go put everything you own on Biden. It is four to one odds. If you really believed in him, this is the deal of a lifetime.
Of course, you will not do so because Soy Boy, you are a wimp. Why are you concerned so much about abortion? A man like you, and man may be an exaggeration, must be so concerned about others because someone with your testosterone levels could not impregnate a woman, but I could be wrong.
Man up, Soy Boy, put that money down on Biden and prove me wrong and quit your whiny little douche insults.
Well, I admit it that Biden has been good for jobs creation and he had to be because now you have to work three jobs to pay your rent.
Seriously though, there has been no increase in jobs with native born Americans since 2018 and they are not distinguishing between part time and full time jobs. There is a huge discrepancy between unofficial and official surveys on employment.
And if you listen to Looney Tooms from Thailand, it is okay to go walking around East LA flashing cash. There is no crime under Biden.
As I am sure you know, half the cities are no longer reporting crime because there is so much of it they cannot keep up.
But if you listen to Loony Tooms, all those homeless folks are law abiding citizens. All that needle use is treatment for diabetes.Those were fantastic links proving your side. Thanks for that. Oh. No links? No proof for your side? Oops. Nevermind.
How about this shaky source link:
US violent crime decreased in 2023, continuing to reverse pandemic-era spike, FBI data shows.
March 20, 2024
https://fox59.com/news/politics/ap-politics/ap-us-violent-crime-decreased-in-2023-continuing-to-reverse-pandemic-era-spike-fbi-data-shows/
WASHINGTON (AP) New FBI statistics show overall violent crime in the U.S. dropped again last year, continuing a downward trend after a pandemic-era spike.
Murders dropped 13% in the last three months of 2023 compared with the same period the year before, according to FBI data released this week. Violent crime overall was down 6%.
Property crime also ticked downward about 3% in the nation as a whole, though in the Northeast and in large cities over a million people it increased by about the same amount.
The quarterly report released Tuesday is based on data sent to the FBI from about 80% of the law enforcement agencies in the country. Final detailed data for 2023 is expected to be released in the fall.
President Joe Biden said the drop in the murder rate was one of the steepest in the countrys history. The $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan, passed in 2021 by a Democratic-led Congress and signed by Biden, allowed cities and states to invest $15 billion on public safety, he said.
Attorney General Merrick Garland called the data encouraging and touted law enforcement efforts to target gangs, illegal guns and other issues.
The FBIs report was in line with the findings of the nonpartisan Council on Criminal Justice, which found that homicides were down an average of 10% in a survey of 32 cities over the year before, though it found violent crime still remained higher than before the coronavirus pandemic in many cities.
Homicides showed a steep 29% increase in 2020, the largest one-year jump since the FBI began keeping records. The rise defied easy explanation, though experts said possible contributors included the massive disruption of the pandemic, gun violence, worries about the economy and intense stress.
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Thanks, Joe.
And, in case you missed it, any reference to "Pandemic era" or "pre Pandemic" data means "during Trump's Pandemic" and "under Trump even before Trump created Trump's Pandemic. ".
No, I would not recommend walking through any large city flashing cash. Although you would probably be less likely to get your head bashed in by a Trump flagpole or an American flagpole, your eyes gouged, fingers smashed, maimed and killed by doing that than if you passed through a violent mob of Trump-incited America-hating Repub MAGA Insurrectionist "ordinary tourists" visiting the Capitol Building gift shop while wearing a police uniform.
And are you another one of those "the economy is tanking" loons?
Seriously, are you guys the ones pollsters contact who not only insist Trump and the Repubs are "better at handling the economy than Biden and the Dems" but also come up with the bewildering, nonsensical, breath-takingly ill-informed lies that The USA Stock Market is Down This Year and that The Unemployment Rate is at or near a 50 Year High when the reality is the exact opposite? Lolol.
Trump's Fed Chairman Appointment is TRYING to tank Biden's roaring economy, has been trying to tank it for the past 3 years and is having a hell of a time failing to do it with all the Fed tools at their disposal. The most they have been able to accomplish in that goal is finally getting the Unemployment Rate to tick up from below 4% to 4. 1%. Success!
Record-Breaking Accomplishments On Jobs And Unemployment Under Biden.
June 7, 2024
https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardmcgahey/2024/06/07/record-breaking-accomplishments-on-jobs-and-unemployment-under-biden/
See, now short and sweet bursts of Repub MAGA lies like that are manageable. Thanks for keeping it at a Gish Trot instead of a Gish Gallop:
1. I have never had a user name on this site other than the one you see now.
2. The economy never tanked under either Obama-Biden or Biden-Harris. Both were astoundingly positive recoveries, expansions and jobs creation presidencies compared to the adjacent Repub administration.
Meaning, if you want to cite historic economic tanking, that would be the GW Bush economy and the Donald J. Trump economy. Don't even bother looking for a Dem economy for that over the past 100 years.
3. Crime is at decades' long lows under Biden after a couple of shocking upward spikes under Trump.
Yes, quite right!
I applaud your due diligence in your response, but can you really teach an old (Repub) dog, to get new tricks? Or new tropes for that matter?
This must be evidence of the "genuinely dire consequences" that Disney lady has every reason to worry about if Trump wins a 2nd term:
https://youtu.be/gA_3AIdmmrs?si=65AhoUHyn5J8UjFZ
Only someone suffering from senility and dementia could have that much trouble simply articulating what he reads from his notes or on a teleprompter.
As always, there is no Biden counterpart of that or any kind of serious cognitive impairment that is routinely exhibited by Trump.
Right. God only knows how this little pathetic country has managed to get anything done for 2+ centuries without a presidential immunity. Gee, that was close.Let me get this straight. You think that if down the line another president invokes immunity for official acts, then the Supreme Court will say, "Sorry, that only applies to Donald Trump". That's not just being blind on your part. That's just plain ignorant! I'm no fan of this court, but that kind of thinking is just pure, adulterated, shortsighted, partisanship. As I responded to Checkmate, things don't remain static over time. Times are a changing, and the presence of Donald Trump forced some kind of decision on the matter. There was no Chump two centuries ago doing what he did! But here he is here now. The Supreme Court made the right decision on the matter. I just wish they had the cajones to say more about what's an "official act" and what isn't.
CheckMate1
07-06-24, 18:38
Correct, the court doesn't have the cajones to make hard decisions. And in case you haven't noticed. Things have changed over the 248 years you've mentioned. There's never been a Donald Trump before in our entire history! And so here and now is the inflection point where the issue must be addressed head on. Further, you also misstate what the court said. Nobody said a darn thing about "absolute immunity". It's immunity for "official acts". That's a critical distinction that must not be glossed over. And it isn't "me" who said it. The Supreme Court said it. I just happen to agree with them on this. Checkmate!
In the previous post, I laid out a situation that a president can ask a person or group to assassinated a federal officer or group and promised to pardon the individual or group, and according to this decision, that would be legal because PARDON power is in the constitution as an official act. Would this not be considered Absolute? What the court failed to do, in my opinion, is to confirm that NOT ALL official acts (criminal acts) are immuned. I didn't argue that official acts shouldn't be immuned. I said that it is unfortunate that they allowed this POSSIBILITY to exist into the future, and let the future courts relitigate this issue. That was a hard decision that they didn't want to make.
Unlike some, I may disagree with decisions made by the supreme court, but I will never say it is illegitimate.
CheckMate1
07-06-24, 19:26
Let me get this straight. You think that if down the line another president invokes immunity for official acts, then the Supreme Court will say, "Sorry, that only applies to Donald Trump". That's not just being blind on your part. That's just plain ignorant! I'm no fan of this court, but that kind of thinking is just pure, adulterated, shortsighted, partisanship. As I responded to Checkmate, things don't remain static over time. Times are a changing, and the presence of Donald Trump forced some kind of decision on the matter. There was no Chump two centuries ago doing what he did! But here he is here now. The Supreme Court made the right decision on the matter. I just wish they had the cajones to say more about what's an "official act" and what isn't.
Supreme Court doesn't or should't prescribe what is or isn't "official acts". It was left to the legislative branch to put in place the language, and interpretation up to the Supreme Court. Lower courts will do that and in many cases the Supreme Court (textualists) will say it doesn't say that in the Constitution, reversed. Unfortunately, legislative branch don't write enough laws to close out these loopholes within the law structure and we always get the same case over and over again relitigated.
In an ideal US, the SC would make a ruling that is against something not on the books, but majority want it. Legislative branch then create a new law to address that, and voila, problem solved.
Case in point: ROE V Wade deals with the 14th Amendment. So one court will say that 14th addresses this, and another does not. And back and forth we go. Easily addressed if legislative wanted to solve it, but they don't. It allows them to continue to debate this and make it a continual issue for their side to remain in power.
Elvis 2008
07-06-24, 20:12
Those were fantastic links proving your side. Thanks for that. Oh. No links? No proof for your side? Oops. Nevermind.
How about this shaky source link:
US violent crime decreased in 2023, continuing to reverse pandemic-era spike, FBI data shows.
March 20, 2024 Thanks, Joe.
Yes, quite right!
I applaud your due diligence in your response, but can you really teach an old (Repub) dog, to get new tricks? Or new tropes for that matter?
Yawn! Jesus, don't you two douches know by now I don't lie you two do?
https://www.nssf.org/articles/america-has-a-crime-reporting-problem/#text=Tracking%20 crime%20 statistics%20%E2%80%93%20 and%20 more, crime%20 statistics%20 to%20 the%20 FBI.
Just 24 percent of New York's police departments sent their crime data to the FBI. That's a failing grade in anyone's book. That includes New York City's Police Department, along with neighboring Suffolk, Nassau and Westchester County police. Just 141 of the 583 New York police agencies reported data in 2022.
Pennsylvania was worse, with just nine percent of police departments reporting crime data to the FBI. Only 126 of the 1,392 police agencies reported their statistics. Missing were Pittsburgh, Allentown and Scranton.
Maryland police agencies reported just 38 percent of the time, with 65 of the 170 police departments failing to send the FBI crucial crime data. Departments surrounding Washington, the. See. , which has been plagued by crime, didn't submit any data, including Anne Arundel County and Howard County near Baltimore. Other surrounding communities including Montgomery County and Prince George's County submitted just two months of data.
California came in with just 49 percent less than half of police agencies sending crime statistics to the FBI. The Marshall Project reported that 44 states and the District of Columbia had higher reporting rates than California. Only 356 of the 721 police agencies in the Golden State submitted crime data to the FBI. Missing from that list were reports from the LOS Angeles Police Department, LOS Angeles County Sheriff's Office, San Fransisco, San Jose, Oakland, Riverside, Sacramento County Sheriff's Office and both the San Bernadino County Sheriff's Office and Police Department.
Illinois crime data submitted to the FBI in 2022 was only slightly better, with 52 percent of police agencies reporting. There, 464 of the 885 law enforcement agencies submitted data. Chicago's Police Department fully reported but neighboring Lake County Sheriff's Office and Du Page County Sheriff's Office didn't report any data. Cook County Sheriff's Office reported just one month's worth of data.
New Jersey tied Illinois for percentage of law enforcement agencies reporting data at 52 percent. Just 301 of the 574 law enforcement agencies sent the FBI crime data for 2022. Paterson, Woodbridge, Edison, Clifton, Trenton and Camden Police Departments didn't send the FBI any crime data in 2022.
To be fair, the worst was Florida, with just eight percent of law enforcement agencies reporting their 2022 crime data to the FBI. That represents only 49 of the 633 police agencies in the Sunshine State. Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office, Orange County Sheriff's Office and Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office didn't report any crime data to the FBI that year. Neither did Orlando's Police Department or Fort Lauderdale Police Department.
And now you two losers will do the never mind thing and pretend you two are not lying losers who are full of shit.
Thanks Joe? Here we go again with Loony Tooms lecturing us on the condition of the USA from Thailand. You are as big a liar as Biden is.
I am still waiting for the picture of the casino stub where you two lying FOS losers put money on Biden.
Elvis 2008
07-06-24, 20:19
This must be evidence of the "genuinely dire consequences" that Disney lady has every reason to worry about if Trump wins a 2nd term:
https://youtu.be/gA_3AIdmmrs?si=65AhoUHyn5J8UjFZ
Only someone suffering from senility and dementia could have that much trouble simply articulating what he reads from his notes or on a teleprompter.
As always, there is no Biden counterpart of that or any kind of serious cognitive impairment that is routinely exhibited by Trump.LOL. Republicans had a legitimate primary. If we felt Trump were not there mentally, he would not have been voted in. You douches let billionaires pick who was the nominee and they freaked out when they had been lied to. So Biden owns all the delegates and there is no way out. That is what you get when you do not have primary elections. If Biden's mental status were properly disclosed, RFK Jr. Probably would have won the nomination.
There are not scores of donors backing out of funding Trump, and every poll looks better and better for Trump. Casino odds look great, and all you got is the Alinsky bullshit where you attack where you are weak. Biden may be old but have you seen how Trump looks?
And crime is down? Yeah, okay, Loony Tooms.
Elvis 2008
07-06-24, 20:21
It allows them to continue to debate this and make it a continual issue for their side to remain in power.LOL. Last I checked Biden is president and is a Democrat, so SCOTUS ruled for Biden? Unreal.
Right. God only knows how this little pathetic country has managed to get anything done for 2+ centuries without a presidential immunity. Gee, that was close.
In the previous post, I laid out a situation that a president can ask a person or group to assassinated a federal officer or group and promised to pardon the individual or group, and according to this decision, that would be legal because PARDON power is in the constitution as an official act. Would this not be considered Absolute? What the court failed to do, in my opinion, is to confirm that NOT ALL official acts (criminal acts) are immuned. I didn't argue that official acts shouldn't be immuned. I said that it is unfortunate that they allowed this POSSIBILITY to exist into the future, and let the future courts relitigate this issue. That was a hard decision that they didn't want to make. Unlike some, I may disagree with decisions made by the supreme court, but I will never say it is illegitimate.
Overall a good post on presidential immunity, much of it I've never disagreed with.
However, I think what your post failed to realize, state or mention, is the one distinction, I clearly empathized in my post (see below and EihTooms' "tongue in cheek" post), was that, no matter which "KING" sits a top the throne at the White House, ultimately, said "Kingly Powers" (aka. presidential immunity), won't be the same for a Dem vs. a Repub president, with a corrupt 2/3 conservative SCOTUS, that could and would preside and make these immunity decisions, as 2/3 conservative majority, for several decades to come.
Look, while Repubs would have you think, this ruling is no big deal, "nothing to see here"...it is every bit a huge deal. Just like the far reaching implications, with the overturning of Roe v. Wade, by this very same corrupt 2/3 conservative SCOTUS (aka. MAGA 6), the immunity ruling decision, comes with its own set of far reaching implications.
And while the sky may not be falling...today, let's not get blinded or lulled by Repub rhetoric, and not see "the bigger picture" at work here. Again, think the overturning of Roe v. Wade!
With a fascist conservative doctrine like "Project 2025", that seek to chip-away at our democracy, equalities and freedoms, it is very easy to think, that this type of decision, "equally" enables and supports immunity for a Dem president, as it does for Repub president.
When in reality (IMHO) nothing could be further from the truth. So given the fact, we have a corrupt 2/3 conservative SCOTUS (aka. MAGA 6) and they would have the final say, on what they feel, is and isn't immunity, for a president (supposedly, no matter the party affiliation)...doesn't really past the smell test, for me.
Another good post Cane:
Let me get this straight. You think that if down the line another president invokes immunity for official acts, then the Supreme Court will say, "Sorry, that only applies to Donald Trump". That's not just being blind on your part. That's just plain ignorant! I'm no fan of this court, but that kind of thinking is just pure, adulterated, shortsighted, partisanship. As I responded to Checkmate, things don't remain static over time. Times are a changing, and the presence of Donald Trump forced some kind of decision on the matter. There was no Chump two centuries ago doing what he did! But here he is here now. The Supreme Court made the right decision on the matter. I just wish they had the cajones to say more about what's an "official act" and what isn't.
To be fair, a more fair person like Tiny might say you, Tooms, and Xpartan are suffering from cognitive dissonance.
Gentlemen, The Wall Street Journal Editorial Board's reply today to your concerns is better than anything I've written. Here are some excerpts,
The Supreme Court Restrains Trump
Far from empowering a dictator, the Justices limited executive power. And Trumps ability to prosecute Biden.
Sometimes we have to marvel at the cognitive dissonance of our progressive friends. (Tiny's note: I prefer Partisan Democrat Friends to progressive friends. Unless its Cane, who should be referred to as a Democrat Friend.)
They shout with alarm that the Supreme Courts decision this week on presidential immunity has removed all legal restraints on a future Trump Presidency. Then they lambaste the Court for curbing the power of the executive branch. Who's on first?
The Justices ruled in Trump v. U.S. that a President enjoys immunity from criminal prosecution for actions within his core constitutional duties, and presumptive immunity for other official acts. But they also stressed that a President isnt shielded from prosecution for private actions. So Mr. Trump wouldn't be free to shoot someone on Fifth Avenue.
The Court merely extended its Nixon v. Fitzgerald (1982) precedent, which shielded a President from civil liability for official acts in order to protect against the chilling effect such exposure might have on the carrying out of his responsibilities, as Chief Justice John Roberts wrote. This will protect every President from partisan prosecutors, including Mr. Biden.
Virtually every President is criticized for insufficiently enforcing some aspect of federal law (such as drug, gun, immigration, or environmental laws), the Chief writes. An enterprising prosecutor in a new administration may assert that a previous President violated that broad obstruction statute. Without immunity, such types of prosecutions of ex-Presidents could quickly become routine.
The Courts ruling will prevent a future Trump Justice Department from seeking retribution against Mr. Biden by prosecuting him for, say, obstructing immigration enforcement or forgiving student debt.
Here's what the editorial says about overturning the Chevron decision,
Progressives rightly fret that Loper could put other Biden rules in legal jeopardy for instance, the Securities and Exchange Commissions climate disclosures and Food and Drug Administrations classification of lab-developed tests as medical devices. Regulators will now have a harder time stretching laws to expand their power.
This includes future Trump regulators. Judges will have more leeway to block Trump immigration actions. And Trump appointees will have a harder time rewriting the law without Congressional legislation, such as regulating the proxy advisory duopoly. This is a check on willful presidential power.
The demise of Chevron could even empower Democrats in Congress since a future Trump Administration would have to negotiate with them to pass legislation. Most of the Trump agenda cant be enacted by a Republican majority through budget reconciliation.
Jarkesy limits the enforcement power of agencies and will make it harder to target opponents. The ruling requires agencies to bring enforcement actions that involve private rights (e.g., fraud) and seek penalties in federal courts rather than their own administrative tribunals where they almost always prevail.
This will constrain the National Labor Relations Board, Federal Trade Commission and SEC, which have used administrative tribunals to rubber-stamp charges. Agencies will have to persuade juries in federal court and be subject to more legal discovery, which will make them less likely to abuse their power.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-donald-trump-presidency-immunity-administrative-state-joe-biden-3b7a0559?mod=opinion_lead_pos1
This must be evidence of the "genuinely dire consequences" that Disney lady has every reason to worry about if Trump wins a 2nd term:
https://youtu.be/gA_3AIdmmrs?si=65AhoUHyn5J8UjFZ
Only someone suffering from senility and dementia could have that much trouble simply articulating what he reads from his notes or on a teleprompter.
As always, there is no Biden counterpart of that or any kind of serious cognitive impairment that is routinely exhibited by Trump.Haha! Good link Tooms, honestly.
Yes, no doubt if Trump wins the election, he may be in as sad of shape in 2029 when his second term ends as Biden is now.
In a closed meeting of the executive board, Elvis pointed out to me that there actually are some advantages to Trump's narcissism. Perhaps this is an example. If Trump follows the same path as Biden, then in 2028 he won't be all there. He's self confident enough though that he'll still call the shots to the extent that he can. Perhaps this means the federal government will be a little less effective than it would be otherwise, like when we have split government with both parties sharing power. That may mean the federal government has less opportunity to screw us over.
Biden on the other hand has shown he'll farm out policy to 30 something quasi socialists and neoconservatives. If Biden hadn't lost his mind, maybe he'd be more like the Senator Joe Biden of the 1980's, who worked to help pass the Reagan agenda. Unfortunately now he's just a figurehead.
Let me get this straight. You think that if down the line another president invokes immunity for official acts, then the Supreme Court will say, "Sorry, that only applies to Donald Trump". That's not just being blind on your part. That's just plain ignorant! I'm no fan of this court, but that kind of thinking is just pure, adulterated, shortsighted, partisanship. As I responded to Checkmate, things don't remain static over time. Times are a changing, and the presence of Donald Trump forced some kind of decision on the matter. There was no Chump two centuries ago doing what he did! But here he is here now. The Supreme Court made the right decision on the matter. I just wish they had the cajones to say more about what's an "official act" and what isn't.Bush v. Gore
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore
Limitation "to present circumstances"
Some critics of the decision argue that the majority seemed to seek refuge from their own logic in the following sentence in the majority opinion: "Our consideration is limited to the present circumstances, for the problem of equal protection in election processes generally presents many complexities." The Court's defenders argued that this was a reasonable precaution against the possibility that the decision might be read too broadly,arguing that in the short time available it would be inappropriate to attempt to craft language spelling out in greater detail how to apply the holding to other cases, stating that the case did not set precedent in any way and could not be used to justify any future court decision, and some suggested that this was evidence the majority realized its holding was untenable. Regardless of whether the majority intended the decision to be precedential, several federal courts have cited it in election cases, as did a lawyer for a Republican congressional candidate during legal arguments coincident with the 2020 United States presidential election.
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Harvard University law professor Alan Dershowitz writes:
"The decision in the Florida election case may be ranked as the single most corrupt decision in Supreme Court history, because it is the only one that I know of where the majority justices decided as they did because of the personal identity and political affiliation of the litigants. This was cheating, and a violation of the judicial oath."A Repub MAGA 5+ has shown they are perfectly capable of blah blah blah-ing their way into a one-time-only carve out to benefit a fellow Repub MAGA whenever necessary in order to ensure typically historically disastrous across-the-board Repub economic, national security and now Constitutional results.
Thank you, Elvis, for providing the perfect example of how your Trumpian Repub MAGA's Gish Gallop rhetorical chnique works even in text form.
Gish gallop:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
See, now short and sweet bursts of Repub MAGA lies like that are manageable. Thanks for keeping it at a Gish Trot instead of a Gish Gallop:
But you can't because there aren't any. So you engage in this around and around "gish gallop" as Tooms puts it.
I often love to the phase "...great minds think a like, and weak minds seldom differ", knowing people will often lose sleep and struggle trying to figure out, of which "minds" they really are in the quote...but I digress.
Anywho, I couldn't help but fall outta my chair laughing when you both applied EihTooms' article on "gish gallop" to Elvis 2008, as that's who immediately came to mind (...kkkk!), when I initially read the article, that EihTooms posted (a few days ago), here:
Earlier I wanted to post, that the "Gish Gallop" article, sounded eerily similar to a tactic employed by our resident QAnon/MAGA conspiracist, INCEL and misogynist, Elvis 2008, but you guys beat me to the punch!
Well, one thing is definitely clear, the upstart "Gish Gallop" fledgling, is just a chip off the ol' Trump "Gish Gallop daddy-block" (....kkkk!)Elvis doesn't Gish Gallop. He thinks out of the box. Trump does, but he's not an effective practitioner of the art because his misrepresentations are so ridiculous. As Sidney Powell's lawyers argued in Dominion Voting System's defamation case against her, many of Trump's lies are so ridiculous or so hyperbolic that no one takes them seriously.
So who's good at this? Well, Tooms could write a book, "The Art of the Gish Gallop. " His body of work about Republican Presidents and the economy is impressive. His recent arguments about how badly the economy fared in 2019, during the Trump presidency, was a Masterpiece of Gish Gallop. He's also effective at countering Gish Gallup. As he did when I attempted to engage in the art, to show that Democrat presidents are bloodthirsty because they sacrificed many more young American lives in foreign wars than did Republican presidents.
Thanks for teaching us a new word Tooms! And for teaching us how to use it! Just like The Donald created Trump University to teach about real estate, perhaps you should start Tooms University to teach Gish Gallop. Just make sure you actually teach people something or you may get sued like Trump.
I almost fell out of my chair thinking you and Loony Tooms think you have great minds. You two are certainly in line for Electroconvulsive therapy. You two have that in common. To be fair, a more fair person like Tiny might say you, Tooms, and Xpartan are suffering from cognitive dissonance.
I must be like the great Carnac to read your mind when reading this story, https://www.zerohedge.com/political/disney-heiress-halts-donations-democrats-until-biden-replaced.
Disney heiress Abigail Disney told CNBC on Thursday, July 4, that she plans to stop making political donations to the Democratic Party until President Biden withdraws from the presidential race. She is among a growing number of Democrat donors who are pausing donations until Biden steps aside.
Disney continued, "If Biden does not step down the Democrats will lose. Of that I am absolutely certain. The consequences for the loss will be genuinely dire. ".
Who is this woman? Blah, Blah, Blah. Zero Hedge sucks. Blah, blah, blah. Bothsider. Blah, blah, blah.
That is why I call you guys douches. You attack anything and anyone who interferes with your delusional view of the world. But wait, the article gets worse:
Later in the day, Biden showcased his plummeting mental acuity, even though leftist corporate media outlets and those in the White House lied to the nation for years about the president's cognitive capacities. On Philadelphia's WURD radio, the president called himself the first black woman to serve in the White House.
And there is audio and even more.
NEW: Hollywood Democratic megadonor Ari Emanuel torches President Joe Biden.
"I talked to a bunch of big donors, and they're moving all their money to Congress and the Senate. ".
"he gave us a bunch of malarkey, and I'm really pissed. We all should be really pissed. ".
"he is not the candidate anymore. This is a legal issue now. You can no longer remove him in three swing states: Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. There's only one democratic congress. Michigan.
They have to vote to remove him. I don't believe the Republican party in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin will do that. And, if they do, it's then Kamala Harris. This is legal, so lawyers will have to look at this.
Now, there are some questions about whether the delegates can do something. The lifeblood of a campaign is money, and maybe the only way this gets solved is if the money starts drying up.
It's a legal issue now. But we're in fuck city.
End of link.
So is the problem me and Trump? Because I do not see either of those donors mentioning us. Or is the problem Biden and your ridiculous Democratic douchery where you cannot tell a lie from the truth? Biden is just fine.
Quit your whining and insults, grab your balls, and go put everything you own on Biden. It is four to one odds. If you really believed in him, this is the deal of a lifetime.
Of course, you will not do so because Soy Boy, you are a wimp. Why are you concerned so much about abortion? A man like you, and man may be an exaggeration, must be so concerned about others because someone with your testosterone levels could not impregnate a woman, but I could be wrong.
Man up, Soy Boy, put that money down on Biden and prove me wrong and quit your whiny little douche insults.Abigail Disney is a piker. Tooms' real estate and mutual fund empire may be worth more than everything she's got. Her contributions to the Democratic Party will not be missed. They were a drop in the bucket.
Furthermore, she hasn't really done anything in her life except sit on her fat ass and support questionable causes. I don't like that, and it's partly why, unlike you, I don't like RFK, Jr. He's from the same mold, except he's not fat. I'm not sure what he's done besides living off of his Grand Daddy's money.
Biden narrows Trumps lead in swing states after debate debacle: Survey.
July 6, 2024
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4757918-joe-biden-donald-trump-swing-states-bloomberg-morning-consult-survey/
President Biden, the wake of a poor debate performance and growing calls for him to step aside, has narrowed Trumps lead in the key swing states, according to a new survey.
The Bloomberg/Morning Consult poll, published Saturday, showed Biden leading Trump in Michigan and Wisconsin. In Arizona, Georgia, Nevada and North Carolina, the incumbent is now within the margin of error per the survey.
Overall, the poll found that Trump is leading Biden by only 2 percentage points across the seven states 47 percent to 45 percent. This is the closest Biden has been to overtaking Trump since Bloomberg started tracking the seven states last October.
The poll also showed Biden narrowed the gap with independent voters, with Trump and Biden being tied at 40 percent. In a previous poll, the former president led the incumbent 44 percent to 36 percent.
The widest gap between the presumptive party nominees came from the battleground state of Pennsylvania, Bidens home turf. The survey shows Trump received 51 percent of support from Keystone State voters, compared to Bidens 44 percent.
This was Bloombergs first poll after the June 28 debate, which was hosted by CNN moderators Jake Tapper and Dana Bash. The presidents lackluster performance on stage where he stumbled over his words and had a raspy voice has raised concerns among Democrats about his ability to beat Trump in November or serve as president for another four years.
While the first 2024 presidential debate appeared to alarm some Democratic leaders, our surveys of swing-state for Bloomberg News show the matter has done little to change the underlying dynamics of the contest, Morning Consult US political consultant Eli Yokley wrote alongside the poll release.Additionally, RCP, 270 to Win and 538's No Toss-Up States EV Maps remain unchanged with the latter showing Biden now only behind Trump by a fraction of 1 percentage point in 2 of the 3 battleground states he needs to clinch 270 Electoral Votes, Wisconsin and Michegan, in the Consensus of Polls. Only Pennsylvania showing Biden behind Trump by as much as 3 points.
But that can be easily remedied by Biden if he campaigns there several more times in the next 3-4 months. At which point it will come down to Ground Game in PA as it likely would be today re WI and MI.
Clearly, many if not most poll respondents have not fallen for Mainstream Media's rush to aid Trump and his fellow Repubs' "confirmation bias" regarding Biden's obvious lack of cognitive impairment by his truthful and pertinent responses to the Presidential Debate Quiz Show questions vs Trump's pathetic evasion and repetition of outrageous lies.
So too will they not fall for that typically pro Repub MSM tactic with regard to Biden's 25 minute interview on ABC, where he had zero problem fully comprehending every word and subtexual implication of wily George Stephanopoulus' questions and had zero problem answering each one fully, completely and with facts, figures and data on his side. Something Trump has not only failed to do with any interview ever but he has gone into hiding to avoid showing up on the same show to face similar questions.
Biden's only evasion was, of course, a proper one; he is not about to set a precedent where presidential candidates are given cognitive tests. Ridiculous request. Besides, there are already 2 voluntary demands of presidential candidates to strengthen confidence in their determination to serve; submit their tax returns for the previous several years and disassociate themselves with any ongoing commercial business or investments, BOTH of which Trump failed to do.
The only difference between the perfectly lucid and cognitively competent Joe Biden of 4 or 15 years ago is he gets short of breath easier and his voice can sound tired.
No surprise considering this is now his 2nd time at work in the Executive Branch cleaning up the horrific mess of everything left behind by the outgoing Repub. That is exhausting. Not like the years of riding ponies, clearing brush down at the ranch and constant golfing incoming Repubs taking over from outgoing Dems can always enjoy.
Yawn! Jesus, don't you two douches know by now I don't lie you two do?
https://www.nssf.org/articles/america-has-a-crime-reporting-problem/#text=Tracking%20 crime%20 statistics%20%E2%80%93%20 and%20 more, crime%20 statistics%20 to%20 the%20 FBI.
Just 24 percent of New York's police departments sent their crime data to the FBI. That's a failing grade in anyone's book. That includes New York City's Police Department, along with neighboring Suffolk, Nassau and Westchester County police. Just 141 of the 583 New York police agencies reported data in 2022.
Pennsylvania was worse, with just nine percent of police departments reporting crime data to the FBI. Only 126 of the 1,392 police agencies reported their statistics. Missing were Pittsburgh, Allentown and Scranton.
Maryland police agencies reported just 38 percent of the time, with 65 of the 170 police departments failing to send the FBI crucial crime data. Departments surrounding Washington, the. See. , which has been plagued by crime, didn't submit any data, including Anne Arundel County and Howard County near Baltimore. Other surrounding communities including Montgomery County and Prince George's County submitted just two months of data.
California came in with just 49 percent less than half of police agencies sending crime statistics to the FBI. The Marshall Project reported that 44 states and the District of Columbia had higher reporting rates than California. Only 356 of the 721 police agencies in the Golden State submitted crime data to the FBI. Missing from that list were reports from the LOS Angeles Police Department, LOS Angeles County Sheriff's Office, San Fransisco, San Jose, Oakland, Riverside, Sacramento County Sheriff's Office and both the San Bernadino County Sheriff's Office and Police Department.
Illinois crime data submitted to the FBI in 2022 was only slightly better, with 52 percent of police agencies reporting. There, 464 of the 885 law enforcement agencies submitted data. Chicago's Police Department fully reported but neighboring Lake County Sheriff's Office and Du Page County Sheriff's Office didn't report any data. Cook County Sheriff's Office reported just one month's worth of data.
New Jersey tied Illinois for percentage of law enforcement agencies reporting data at 52 percent. Just 301 of the 574 law enforcement agencies sent the FBI crime data for 2022. Paterson, Woodbridge, Edison, Clifton, Trenton and Camden Police Departments didn't send the FBI any crime data in 2022.
To be fair, the worst was Florida, with just eight percent of law enforcement agencies reporting their 2022 crime data to the FBI. That represents only 49 of the 633 police agencies in the Sunshine State. Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office, Orange County Sheriff's Office and Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office didn't report any crime data to the FBI that year. Neither did Orlando's Police Department or Fort Lauderdale Police Department.
And now you two losers will do the never mind thing and pretend you two are not lying losers who are full of shit.
Thanks Joe? Here we go again with Loony Tooms lecturing us on the condition of the USA from Thailand. You are as big a liar as Biden is.
I am still waiting for the picture of the casino stub where you two lying FOS losers put money on Biden.LOL. My link was Fox News and you rejected it? Are you with numbskull mentally deranged Trump now in slamming Trump Media Central?
Your link was from a firearm association that I am sure is recommending every terrified American buy and hoard a dozen semi-automatic weapons to protect themselves from murderous woke drag queens.
MarquisdeSade1
07-07-24, 06:06
Abigail Disney is a piker. Tooms' real estate and mutual fund empire may be worth more than everything she's got. Her contributions to the Democratic Party will not be missed. They were a drop in the bucket.
Furthermore, she hasn't really done anything in her life except sit on her fat ass and support questionable causes. I don't like that, and it's partly why, unlike you, I don't like RFK, Jr. He's from the same mold, except he's not fat. I'm not sure what he's done besides living off of his Grand Daddy's money.I've been reading the NYT since the 80's, this is clearly the best article I've ever seen them publish, it alone will have made this years subscription worth it.
And to think this great man once worked for the evil turd Romney, Allahu Akbar.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/06/opinion/populism-power-elites-politics.html
Let me get this straight. You think that if down the line another president invokes immunity for official acts, then the Supreme Court will say, "Sorry, that only applies to Donald Trump". That's not just being blind on your part. That's just plain ignorant! I'm no fan of this court, but that kind of thinking is just pure, adulterated, shortsighted, partisanship. As I responded to Checkmate, things don't remain static over time. Times are a changing, and the presence of Donald Trump forced some kind of decision on the matter. There was no Chump two centuries ago doing what he did! But here he is here now. The Supreme Court made the right decision on the matter. I just wish they had the cajones to say more about what's an "official act" and what isn't.Well, let me help you get it straight.
We're talking about the man who called for his supporters to attack the Capitol, who called brutal Putin's invasion of a another country "genius", who pledged -- if elected -- to go after his political enemies. This is the man, I'll remind you, who flooded the legal system with 60+ bogus lawsuits with zero merits, and now the highest court in the land is giving him a legal leg up? Really?
Tell you what. I don't care about "down the line". I'm not even sure that we'll still have the "down the line" if that fascist POS gets the second term. But if you believe that this lifeline thrown by 6 partisan judges was designed for some mythical "down-the-line" rather than to benefit THIS particular aforementioned fascist piece of shit, then I have a dozen of London bridges with all the trimmings to sell you for next to nothing.
The only difference between the perfectly lucid and cognitively competent Joe Biden of 4 or 15 years ago is he gets short of breath easier and his voice can sound tired.If if people believed that, this race wouldn't be close. For goodness sake, Trump tried to steal a presidential election. He likes to grab women by the pussy. He fucked a porn star and regularly banged a Playboy Playmate while his wife was pregnant and nursing. He screwed his partners, his investors, his bondholders, his banks, and his suppliers before he became president. AND HE'S LEADING IN THE POLLS. Which goes to show what a suck ass candidate Biden is. The Democrats are running a human vegetable for President. Admittedly another problem for Biden is that Americans aren't stupid. They don't believe that Bidenomics was the greatest thing since sliced white bread.
If if people believed that, this race wouldn't be close. For goodness sake, Trump tried to steal a presidential election. He likes to grab women by the pussy. He fucked a porn star and regularly banged a Playboy Playmate while his wife was pregnant and nursing. He screwed his partners, his investors, his bondholders, his banks, and his suppliers before he became president. AND HE'S LEADING IN THE POLLS. Which goes to show what a suck ass candidate Biden is. The Democrats are running a human vegetable for President. Admittedly another problem for Biden is that Americans aren't stupid. They don't believe that Bidenomics was the greatest thing since sliced white bread.It has been close since long before the debate.
You are obviously discounting how stupid Repubs are to think Biden caused Trump's Pandemic global supply-chain closure global Inflation.
Not to mention Repubs have been enthusiastically voting en masse for horrific economic and national security Disasters for America for at least 100 years. Scandal, hypocrisy and "Once in 100 Years Disasters" are a plus in a Repub candidate, not a negative.
The same as it is for the Repubs' always reliable benefactors in Mainstream Media.
Do you honestly think the numbskulls in the polls and right here who think the unemployment rate is at a 50 year high, the econony has tanked, he Stock Market crashed this year, that crime is up and, yep, even that Biden is responsible for abolishing Roe v. Wade got to those idiotic conclusions without pro Repub "Bothsiderism" tirelessly working to get them there? LOL. How on earth would that happen otherwise?
Vegetable? Please cite the answer to any question in the debate or the ABC interview where Biden and not Trump babbled on as though he didn't understand the question. Biden simply twisted a comment about "beating big pharma for Medicare drug prices" in an answer about Medicare and helping people get the drugs they need cheaper. That's it.
Trump could not explain anything complicated that he did to help Americans that way because he never helped Americans in any way complicated or not. Makes it easy for him to continually cycle back to a favorite lie about Immigration for every question.
If if people believed that, this race wouldn't be close. For goodness sake, Trump tried to steal a presidential election. He likes to grab women by the pussy. He fucked a porn star and regularly banged a Playboy Playmate while his wife was pregnant and nursing. He screwed his partners, his investors, his bondholders, his banks, and his suppliers before he became president. AND HE'S LEADING IN THE POLLS. Which goes to show what a suck ass candidate Biden is. The Democrats are running a human vegetable for President. Admittedly another problem for Biden is that Americans aren't stupid. They don't believe that Bidenomics was the greatest thing since sliced white bread.No, I think it shows what a suck ass populace the United States has. It's just insane that someone like Trump is even competitive. He should have been disqualified long before now in the eyes of most with a logical brain for the things he's done. America the beautiful? No, America the ugly it is!
Tell you what. I don't care about "down the line".Now we're getting down to it. Now we're being honest. Exactly! You can't see the forest for the trees because you only care about your own interests. And that's seeing Felonious Chump get his. Well, I want to see him get his too (badly), but in a way that a country guided by the rule of law and democratic principles would have him get it. Otherwise, we're no better than them (the Repukeians). With all its warts and all, the Supreme Court is working the way it's supposed to (although there does need to be some more stringent ethics rules imposed I believe). Now, I didn't see left wingers (I can't stand the tree hugging far left either) crying and boo hooing when there was liberal control over the Court for decades.
As much as I hate the current mix on the court, elections have consequences. Trump won fair and square the first time around and got three freaking picks (Ginsburg should have stepped down to allow Biden a pick). We have to accept both our wins and our losses as long as the system works the way it's supposed to. If you or anybody else can't do that, then you're doing the very same thing you're accusing Trump of doing (and Trump is rightly accused I add). There has to be some objectivity when and where objectivity is called for. If you can't do that, then you're no better than some biased, political hack.
You are obviously discounting how stupid Repubs are to think Biden caused Trump's Pandemic global supply-chain closure global Inflation.
Not to mention Repubs have been enthusiastically voting en masse for horrific economic and national security Disasters for America for at least 100 years. Scandal, hypocrisy and "Once in 100 Years Disasters" are a plus in a Repub candidate, not a negative.
The same as it is for the Repubs' always reliable benefactors in Mainstream Media.Please up your game or Gish Gallop or whatever you want to call it.
Do you honestly think the numbskulls in the polls and right here who think the unemployment rate is at a 50 year high, the econony has tanked, he Stock Market crashed this year, that crime is up and, yep, even that Biden is responsible for abolishing Roe v. Wade got to those idiotic conclusions without pro Repub "Bothsiderism" tirelessly working to get them there? LOL. How on earth would that happen otherwise?Here's Biden's problem:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LEU0252881600Q
Real wages were up about 6. 5% during Trump's term. They're down 2. 5% during Biden's time in office. Prices of goods and services have gone up faster than wages. I'm not necessarily saying Biden is responsible, although his American Rescue Plan did kick off inflation in the USA before it hit other countries. But people's perception is they're worse off now than when Biden came to office. The irony is that Democrats needlessly pumped a huge amount of stimulus into the economy in 2021 and 2022, and instead of buying lots of votes they ended up with inflation, lower real wages, deficits of 7% of GDP, and federal debt held by the public around 100% of GDP. That's not a pretty picture.
Vegetable? Please cite the answer to any question in the debate or the ABC interview where Biden and not Trump babbled on as though he didn't understand the question. Biden simply twisted a comment about "beating big pharma for Medicare drug prices" in an answer about Medicare and helping people get the drugs they need cheaper. That's it..Please cite any time during the debate when Biden wasn't babbling. Trump simply refused to answer the questions. Instead he talked about whatever he wanted.
And while President Biden, may now have "King like powers", rest assured that may not translate as well, under a corrupt 2/3 conservative SCOTUS, where the rules of law, "suddenly shift", according to partisanship politics and who's in the White House. Meaning those "King like powers" in all likelihood, would look, feel and convey something very different, than if say, a narcissist, lying, cheater, racist, fascist, dictatorial "Project 2025" president were in office and a 2/3 conservative SCOTUS is presiding."I know nothing about Project 2025. I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they're saying and some of the things they're saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them."
--Donald J. Trump.
Please up your game or Gish Gallop or whatever you want to call it.
Here's Biden's problem:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LEU0252881600Q
Real wages were up about 6. 5% during Trump's term. They're down 2. 5% during Biden's time in office. Prices of goods and services have gone up faster than wages. I'm not necessarily saying Biden is responsible, although his American Rescue Plan did kick off inflation in the USA before it hit other countries. But people's perception is they're worse off now than when Biden came to office. The irony is that Democrats needlessly pumped a huge amount of stimulus into the economy in 2021 and 2022, and instead of buying lots of votes they ended up with inflation, lower real wages, deficits of 7% of GDP, and federal debt held by the public around 100% of GDP. That's not a pretty picture.
Please cite any time during the debate when Biden wasn't babbling. Trump simply refused to answer the questions. Instead he talked about whatever he wanted.Someday I would love to see what an incoming Repub would do in the midst of the kind of historic, unprecedented shitstorm of a "Once in 100 Years Disaster", millions upon millions of jobs wiped out, double digit unemployment rates, CEOs of every major company in America if not the world diving under their beds and refusing to come out come our wherever you are, stock market Crashes and all the other typical conditions that all too often exist when Dems take over from Repubs.
Biden was faced with two of the worst versions of it in history, taking over at or near the top in the Executive Branch after GW Bush AND Donald J. Trump!
Holy shit. Can you imagine?
Oh, I am so sure the incoming Repub will be able to recover the entire global economy from the kind of crap results Repubs produce without triggering even transitional inflation, 15 million jobs created (that would be a record for the past 4 Repub presidents combined!) and everything running as smooth as a Swiss watch without so much as an extra dime added to the deficit.
There is a reason Repubs must demonize economic reovery inflation; they have never been given the opportunity to recover anything from the outgoing Dem!
Well, we do have one example of a Repub taking over just as the economy was about to Crash BIG TIME: when Hoover took from Coolidge after 8 years of total Repub control of the Federal government, WH, House and Senate. Yep, we ceryainly know how Repubs would handle such a total Repub shitstorm from that example; he makes it much, much worse and for many more years.
Looks like Fred forgot about that other sterling Trump economic condition he created; laying the ground work for, creating and exacerbating Trump's Pandemic.
The greater achievement of Biden's American Rescue Plan was that it recovered America better, faster and stronger from Trump's Pandemic than any other economic power, thereby recovering the rest of the world since we are the main customers and impetus for the global supply chains Trump's economic and national security decisions in 2018,2019 and 2020 caused.
And he did it without triggering a Global Depression or so much as a Global Recession. Unlike Repub Hoover.
So I suppose now you are a big supporter of former Mainstream Media darling but now mostly mysteriously Missing In Action Larry Summers' and every other notable economists' assessment that this time Trump's idiotic economic plans for his 2nd term will skyrocket inflation and not lower the cost of anyone's rent, food and gas, right?
Verbal ticks aside, there was more truth and substance in any one of Biden's responses to the Presidential Debate Quiz Show questions and in his ABC interview than on all of Trump's evasive, ignorant, blathering and demented rapid fire Gish Gallop 30-50 lies in just his 45 minutes of the Show combined. And we can include in all of his MAGA rallies combined, too, for that matter.
Elvis 2008
07-08-24, 10:39
I've been reading the NYT since the 80's, this is clearly the best article I've ever seen them publish, it alone will have made this years subscription worth it.
And to think this great man once worked for the evil turd Romney, Allahu Akbar.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/06/opinion/populism-power-elites-politics.htmlNice link, MDS. It shows you how the NYT does not want to be left behind.
Matt Taibbi and Walter Kern did their weekly podcast and left a few gems about the media:
So right now, I was saying before the show, the press reminds me, especially the press, of a showgirl, Las Vegas showgirl, kind of aging, who married a rich guy, and then he divorced her, and now she's trying to get her virginity back so she can get the next rich guy.
I think this is 100% the whole thing about if you see a flock, a herd of deer, they'll stay in place until exactly 50% of them decide to move and then they all go. Right? And you can watch that phenomenon in nature over and over again. Schools of fish, whatever it is.
That is 100% what the press corps is, I think, because once they go, they all go, right, and they never go anywhere alone, which is kind of the problem.
And Stelter isn't one of those who goes early, okay. He is the exact measure of the 50% mark. He won't be in the last quintile. He won't be in the first quintile. He will be at exactly that moment.
Brian Stetler formally of CNN tweeted: The sheer amount of conspiracy theory on the left is deeply unhealthy. All the people who seemed convinced that CNN are trying to ruin Biden and re-elect Trump. In reality, news outlets just want to report the news.
End of link.
Apparently, people were ROTFLAO after Stetler tweeted this, but to those of us grounded in reality know CNN were kissing Biden's ass and kicking Trump's. The media now is actually trying to go back to its objective self of twenty years ago.
And yes, that is the perfect metaphor for this forum, the media as hooker. I wasn't fucking that old man for money. I am a virgin and I really like you. LOL. And now you got guys like Looney Tooms screaming at the media, "You hooker!" You cannot make this shit up!
Elvis 2008
07-08-24, 10:42
Your link was from a firearm association that I am sure is recommending every terrified American buy and hoard a dozen semi-automatic weapons to protect themselves from murderous woke drag queens.And that is why I call you a douche. You disregard facts you do not like. You can take a walk down any street in a blue city and see it ravaged by drug doing, crime committing, mentally ill homeless people.
I had a number of links I could have chosen from with regards to cities not reporting crimes, and you can google it yourself and see it is true, but like I said, you are a douche who disregards facts he does not like.
Elvis 2008
07-08-24, 10:54
Abigail Disney is a piker. Tooms' real estate and mutual fund empire may be worth more than everything she's got. Her contributions to the Democratic Party will not be missed. They were a drop in the bucket.
Furthermore, she hasn't really done anything in her life except sit on her fat ass and support questionable causes. I don't like that, and it's partly why, unlike you, I don't like RFK, Jr. He's from the same mold, except he's not fat. I'm not sure what he's done besides living off of his Grand Daddy's money.It is not just Abigail Disney. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/major-donors-cut-biden-prepare-pacs-fund-mini-primary-and-new-candidate.
Apparently, Kamala Harris is making the rounds in Texas where, and this shocked me, seven of the biggest 10 Democratic donors are. This was told to me by a friend big in Republican circles. I could not find this info on line.
Top of the list was Lisa Blue Barron. I had not heard of her before. https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-unsinkable-lisa-blue/.
She has kept her name of the billionaire list apparently. It was interesting that my friend knew all about her unlike the usual bigwigs you would expect to hear from like the Bass family. She was entrenched in the John Edwards scandal.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2137443/John-Edwards-trial-Aide-Andrew-Youngs-wife-Cheri-Young-tears-disgusting-cover-up.html
Baron's wife, a lawyer and psychologist, had recently visited the Edwardses and she advised them to steer clear of Elizabeth, who was angry with the Youngs over their role in her husband's affair.
It looks like she is or at least was highly invested in the Democratic party and probably still is, but it seems she may be souring on Biden if Kamala had to fly out to see her.
And apparently, Biden was not returning calls from big donors which I am sure you can surmise is death to a modern political candidate, so it is just more than just one bad night and bad debate.
Elvis 2008
07-08-24, 11:03
Biden narrows Trumps lead in swing states after debate debacle: Survey.
July 6, 2024You and your polls.
https://www.oddschecker.com/us/politics/us-politics
This changes but odds of Biden winning are below Kamala Harris winning.
Trump is at +145, down from his highs at +200, but this translates to 60% winning.
And the latest polls conducted by Democrats show Trump having a chance in blue state strongholds like Minnesota, New Jersey, and Virginia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qt48oQi39A
Sorry, Loony Tooms, your guy is way down, and Trump is in hiding which is smart. He has learned when to stay quiet which shows growth. You do not fight your enemies when they are busy destroying themselves.
Please up your game or Gish Gallop or whatever you want to call it.
Here's Biden's problem:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LEU0252881600Q
Real wages were up about 6. 5% during Trump's term. They're down 2. 5% during Biden's time in office. Prices of goods and services have gone up faster than wages. I'm not necessarily saying Biden is responsible, although his American Rescue Plan did kick off inflation in the USA before it hit other countries. But people's perception is they're worse off now than when Biden came to office. The irony is that Democrats needlessly pumped a huge amount of stimulus into the economy in 2021 and 2022, and instead of buying lots of votes they ended up with inflation, lower real wages, deficits of 7% of GDP, and federal debt held by the public around 100% of GDP. That's not a pretty picture.
Please cite any time during the debate when Biden wasn't babbling. Trump simply refused to answer the questions. Instead he talked about whatever he wanted.I pointed this out before, but I can see it is time for a reminder; The increase in wages under Trump had virtually zero to do with anything Trump said, did, blathered, proposed or passed.
Since we know Trump's one and only $2. 5+ Trillion economic "stimulus" legislation in all 4 years of his so-called presidency until his Trump's Pandemic required billions and billions in emergency relief checks (while millions and millions of jobs were being wiped out) did not create 1 net job gain in his 3 merely below average economy years pre Trump's Pandemic vs the 3 previous years without it:
Obamas Last Three Years Of Job Growth All Beat Trumps Best Year.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/07/obamas-last-three-years-of-job-growth-all-beat-trumps-best-year/
CEOs admit they won't create jobs with their tax cut money.
Despite White House hype, businesses aren't very interested in investing their extra profits.
https://www.salon.com/2017/11/17/ceos-admit-they-wont-create-jobs-with-their-tax-cut-money/
Q.What were the economic effects of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act?
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/what-were-economic-effects-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act
A.Most analysts expected the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act to boost economic output modestly in both the short and the longer run. The evidence supports the prediction for the short run. Because they are confounded by the large and lasting effects of the COVID. pandemic and related policies, we will probably never be able to disentangle the long-term effects. However there was little evidence of a strong effect on investment that could lead to higher longer-run growth in the years before the pandemic.And given Trump's history of shitting on the American worker at every turn, including the typically Repub rejection of raising workers' wages:
Trump's Anti-Worker Record.
https://cwa-union.org/trumps-anti-worker-record
Then what possible miracle could have caused wages to increase for ANYBODY under Donald Trump?
Uh. A gentle reminder:
From California to New York, states are raising minimum wages in 2019 for 17 million workers.
Dec. 27, 2018
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/12/27/minimum-wage-2019-which-states-increasing-next-year/2377035002/
Besides New York, workers in up to 21 other states and the District of Columbia will receive higher minimum wages next year, according to a National Employment Law Project report given exclusively to USA TODAY. About 17 million workers will benefit from the 2019 wage increases, the nonprofit estimates.Yeah, that's right. Despite Trump's typically Repub horrific results for the American worker, for jobs creation, for being anti-American Worker and resistant to wage increases, it tuned out that during most of those historically expensive, deficit-balooning, below average-to-horrific Trump economic years, primarily Blue cities and states, where the majority of American workers are gainfully employed anyway, enjoyed lovely increases in the minimum wage.
Which, as we all know, tends to inspire other employers to raise middle income wages as well.
It had nothing to do with anything Donald Trump did. At all. Donald Trump only did his best to wipe out jobs and depress American worker wages.
I almost fell out of my chair thinking you and Loony Tooms think you have great minds. You two are certainly in line for Electroconvulsive therapy. You two have that in common. To be fair, a more fair person like Tiny might say you, Tooms, and Xpartan are suffering from cognitive dissonance.
Your response is why I love to use that quote...so very much! Thanks Elvis 2008, for reaffirming what the quote means! (...kkkk!)
The Art of the Gish Gallop Elvis doesn't Gish Gallop. He thinks out of the box. Trump does, but he's not an effective practitioner of the art because his misrepresentations are so ridiculous. As Sidney Powell's lawyers argued in Dominion Voting System's defamation case against her, many of Trump's lies are so ridiculous or so hyperbolic that no one takes them seriously.
YES, Tiny 12, if there is an "art" to the speech and talk of Gish Gallop, Elvis 2008 and Trump would definitely be the go to de facto standard! (...kkkk!)
STOP ALREADY! (Or as you Repubs would love say "...STOP THE STEAL! ...kkkk!) Really, you Repubs are just too much!
Up to your old tricks again, trying to co-opt and steal yet another brilliant word phraseology and "coined phase", that was clearly created, constructed and conceived BY Dems FOR OUR USE and consumption to describe Repub's word salad and unhinged forms of speech.
The nicely crafted, word phraseology, called Gish Gallop, perfectly encapsulates, articulates and best describes the type of "gobbledygook", Democrats have had to endure everyday, from likes of you,"no nothing, do nothing" QAnon/MAGA Republicans.
The term "Gish Gallop" is every bit Republican, as the word "Republican", itself.
Sheesh! Typical "copycat" Repubs, always trying to steal things (like elections), that without question and most assuredly, has been fashioned by Dems, to poetically describe Repubs.
Thanks for teaching us a new word Tooms! And for teaching us how to use it! Just like The Donald created Trump University to teach about real estate, perhaps you should start Tooms University to teach Gish Gallop. Just make sure you actually teach people something or you may get sued like Trump.
Yes, thanks to EihTooms! Yet another great article, on how to view and describe more "no nothing, do nothing" QAnon/MAGA Republicans, clogging up the American political system, with their "gish gallop". Yes, definitely a term that applies strictly to Repubs and their nonsense!
PS: Thanks Tiny 12, for an other great example of whom "Gish Gallop" perfectly describes, by citing, the Repub lawyer trying to defend his, "Jewish Space Laser" bat-shit-crazy Repub client, Sidney Powell, with more bat-crazy-shit unhinged drivel, spoken by Repub ex-President "pussy-grabber", in Trump. One has to wonder, who's crazier?
President Joe Biden and Democrats, should take tremendous solace and joy, as the LEFT in both Britain and France, carry the day with great wins and how once again "the polls", got it all so WRONG in their careless predictions of a "far right sweep" in France.
The LEFT and Center-LEFT citizens of France form a coalition to REJECT the far-RIGHT and in Britain, the LEFT Labour Party, formed a landslide majority, over the "14-year no nothing, do nothing" conservatives there.
So just as "the polls" have been dead wrong about France, President Joe Biden and almost every major and minor US elections and primaries since 2020, I suspect that, that losing trend will continue and President Biden, will indeed WIN in Nov 2024.
If you want more mid- to long-term inflation, a slower economy (read: crap jobs creation and wage gains), policies that help make banks and bankers wealthier, home builders less so and another fine and dandy Repub / Trump Recession (which are almost always "Great", of course), those polls showing Trump ticking up vs Biden should be very comforting for you.
And why haven't we heard much about that Reverse Yield Curve thingy lately? Perhaps because it does a bad job of predicting a Recession under Dem policy and stewardship but a "nearly infallible" job of it under Repub policy and stewardship. Oh, these Repub vs Dem economic results are just so magical and mysterious. LOL.
Trump's increased election odds after debate already affecting financial markets.
July 8, 2024
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/08/trumps-better-election-odds-after-debate-are-already-moving-markets.html?__source=androidappshare
Financial markets are slowly starting to absorb the possibility that what was once a toss-up presidential election campaign has taken a notable turn.
While it may yet become an overstatement to call the June 27 debate between President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump a watershed moment, the incumbents halting and mumbling performance has changed views about where the race is headed.
In both polling data and the predictions market, the Republican challenger has become a solid favorite, up mid-single digits in several recent polls, with the specter lingering that Biden wont even be his partys nominee come November.
That has put investors in a quandary of how to handicap what a Trump presidency would look like from an economic and market standpoint.
"As Trumps numbers rose earlier last week, people started to speculate that a Trump win would mean a little bit more mid- to long-term inflation, potentially slower economy, which is why the yield curve steepened a little bit, and which is why longer-term bonds got a little pressure earlier in the week, said Mark Malek, chief investment officer at Siebert AdvisorNXT.
Were going to watch that, because theres no definitive sort of direction yet, but we feel that the market is starting to try to figure that stuff out, he added.
Stock market reaction has been fairly benign so far: The S&P 500 has continued to scale record heights, albeit gradually, and is up about 1.5% since the last close before the debate.
However, the bond market has had a bit more of a reaction. The benchmark 10-year Treasury yield has gradually declined and, perhaps more importantly, has moved further below the 2-year note.
The phenomenon, known as an inverted yield curve, has been a nearly infallible predictor of recessions, though the current inversion started in July 2022 and there has not been an official recession since. The inversion has steepened in the past several days as Trump has shown a post-debate polling bounce, indicating misgivings about the economys prospects.
Handicapping a second Trump presidency
Other market reaction regarding a potential Trump victory, as measured by Bank of Americas chief investment strategist, Michael Hartnett: winners were rates volatility, bets that benefit as the yield curve steepens, banks and technology. Losers have featured longer-dated bonds, homebuilders, renewable energy stocks and emerging market currencies.
Hartnett also noted that the odds of a Trump-led Republican sweep of the White House and both chambers in Congress have swelled to 36%.
Reading the tea leaves, though, has been difficult. The first Trump presidency and some of his campaign rhetoric nevertheless has led to guesswork about what could be ahead.
"The extension of the 2017 tax cuts and potential deregulatory agenda of former President Trump are starting to get priced into the market, Ed Mills, Washington policy analyst for Raymond James, said in a note. This particularly favors financials and there will be an expectation of more M&A approval in a Trump presidency. A potential for more inflationary policies should also be closely monitored.
Reverse Goldilocks reaction
Inflation has been a major problem for Biden as the consumer price index has risen more than 19% on his watch, compared with less than 8% during Trumps time in office.
But it was the presidents stumbling debate performance that brought out the knives, with some congressional Democrats and mainstream media outlets such as The New York Times calling for him to step aside.
PredictIt, a widely watched though thinly traded predictions market, put Trumps chances of victory around 59% as of Monday afternoon.
However, in a switch, Bidens defiant statements that he would stay in the race caused a swing on the betting site, giving him a 29% chance of victory compared with 15% for Vice President Kamala Harris. In recent days, there had been heavy speculation that Harris could step in for Biden on the ballot, and she had overtaken his chances of being the nominee before that changed Monday.
PredictIt, though, now gives Biden a 56% chance of being the Democrat nominee, with Harris falling 12 points to just 31%.
Chris Krueger, Washington strategist for TD Cowen, called this week Bidens Gauntlet as it will be crucial to his viability as a candidate.
"Biden remains the presumptive nominee...for the time being, Krueger wrote, adding that Bidens interview Friday with ABCs George Stephanopoulos was a bit of a reverse Goldilocks: just good enough to stay in the race, but not good enough to alleviate concerns about acuity.
MarquisdeSade1
07-09-24, 03:26
And that is why I call you a douche. You disregard facts you do not like. You can take a walk down any street in a blue city and see it ravaged by drug doing, crime committing, mentally ill homeless people.
I had a number of links I could have chosen from with regards to cities not reporting crimes, and you can google it yourself and see it is true, but like I said, you are a douche who disregards facts he does not like.What crime there is no crime here.
I live here and these are all just MAGA lies.
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/weekend-shootings-july-3-to-8/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1XjY-wU1qEcET4CX9V-j-q2YuXFxSeGTTVzFZ9VsvOzds31YYE-oasU4Y_aem_rymfttwwaiVaYRQtixZxfw
And the OC is as safe as ever.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-07-05/two-dead-three-injured-in-huntington-beach-stabbing
https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/california/story/2024-07-03/fashion-island-shooting-leaves-one-dead
I can post 1000 links everyday like this, 7 days a week from every city and state.
I've tried but I don't see them posted.
It is not just Abigail Disney. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/major-donors-cut-biden-prepare-pacs-fund-mini-primary-and-new-candidate.
Apparently, Kamala Harris is making the rounds in Texas where, and this shocked me, seven of the biggest 10 Democratic donors are. This was told to me by a friend big in Republican circles. I could not find this info on line.
Top of the list was Lisa Blue Barron. I had not heard of her before. https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-unsinkable-lisa-blue/.
She has kept her name of the billionaire list apparently. It was interesting that my friend knew all about her unlike the usual bigwigs you would expect to hear from like the Bass family. She was entrenched in the John Edwards scandal.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2137443/John-Edwards-trial-Aide-Andrew-Youngs-wife-Cheri-Young-tears-disgusting-cover-up.html
Baron's wife, a lawyer and psychologist, had recently visited the Edwardses and she advised them to steer clear of Elizabeth, who was angry with the Youngs over their role in her husband's affair.
It looks like she is or at least was highly invested in the Democratic party and probably still is, but it seems she may be souring on Biden if Kamala had to fly out to see her.
And apparently, Biden was not returning calls from big donors which I am sure you can surmise is death to a modern political candidate, so it is just more than just one bad night and bad debate.Very interesting Texas Monthly article Elvis. Thanks for the link. Three observations,
1. Lisa Baron's husband was THE premier asbestos lawyer in the United States. He and the rest of the asbestos bar bankrupted around 100 USA Companies, including one I owned shares in. They and their clients collected over $200 billion in compensation, back when $200 billion was a lot of money. The majority of the companies had little to do with health problems caused by asbestos. But with "joint and several liability" it didn't matter. Over 100,000 jobs were lost as a result as a result of asbestos lawsuits.
As a group, plaintiffs lawyers contribute far more to the Democratic Party and Democratic politicians than any other professional group. They've stumped up billions for Democrats over the decades. And the Democratic Party is firmly in the pocket of the plaintiff's bar.
It's not just asbestos. The only manufacturer of silicon breast implants in the USA was forced out of business, even though there was "0" evidence they caused cancer. For a good while, no private propeller or turbo prop planes were manufactured in the USA, because the manufacturers were afraid they'd get sued out of existence. And one of the reasons medical costs are so high is because doctors' and hospitals' insurance costs are out of control, because of greedy plaintiffs' lawyers.
Lisa's a lawyer too, who used to work in her hubby's law firm. That's her background. And there are a lot more like her, pumping up the Democratic Party, which is only too happy to help the lawyers, while screwing over the businesses, doctors and working people who lose their jobs.
2. From your links, Fred Baron forked over $400,000, which would be over $1 million today, to cover up John Edward's love child with a campaign worker and provide housing for her. Edwards got off Scot free in court (which I'd argue wasn't necessarily an unreasonable outcome) while Trump got 34 felony convictions. Here are the differences in their cases.
A. Trump used his own money to pay off Stormy Daniels. The National Enquirer fully expected that Trump was going to reimburse it for the money it paid Karen McDougal. But Trump being Trump, he didn't fork over the money. In Edwards case, Fred Baron, who along with the rest of the plaintiffs bar stood much to gain from having one of their own in the Presidency, paid the money. (John Edwards was a plaintiffs' lawyer too.)
B. Trump's wife wasn't aware of Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal, who he was banging while she was pregnant and nursing. Edwards wife on the other hand was well aware of his love child. If I had Trump's money, I wouldn't bat an eye at paying $400,000 or $500,000 to cover up an affair. To him that's a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of a divorce. In other words, hiding the affairs from the public because he was running for president wasn't the only reason he paid up. Edwards' wife knew, so his presidential campaign was the sole motivation for Fred Baron's payoff. Btw, to cover up the affair, another one of Edwards young MARRIED campaign staffers took the hit. He said he was the father. I'm sure all this was just fine with his wife, and with Edwards' wife who was dying of cancer at the time.
C. Trump was tried in Manhattan, where 87% of the population voted for Biden. The prosecutor campaigned on jailing Trump.
3. Lisa Baron's life is a good argument for socialism. She was throwing 30 parties a year, complete with bands like the Moody Blues, Sheryl Crow, Don Henly, and ZZ Top! Wouldn't you have liked to had a party in your backyard with ZZ Top performing? Contrast to wealthy people like Elon Musk and the Koch Brothers, who recycle their earnings into legitimate philanthropy and new businesses that create jobs in America, instead of parties.
Apologies for not sticking to your topic, which is campaign contributions to Biden, but I couldn't resist.
What crime there is no crime here.
I live here and these are all just MAGA lies.
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/weekend-shootings-july-3-to-8/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1XjY-wU1qEcET4CX9V-j-q2YuXFxSeGTTVzFZ9VsvOzds31YYE-oasU4Y_aem_rymfttwwaiVaYRQtixZxfw
And the OC is as safe as ever.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-07-05/two-dead-three-injured-in-huntington-beach-stabbing
https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/california/story/2024-07-03/fashion-island-shooting-leaves-one-dead
I can post 1000 links everyday like this, 7 days a week from every city and state.
I've tried but I don't see them posted.Even as far away as Bangkok, we recognize the Cognitively Impaired Winger Hilarity of Elvis lamenting that he "had a number of links I could have chosen from with regards to cities not reporting crimes, and you can google it yourself and see it is true", which you even quoted, followed a 2nd Winger posting REPORTS of random, anecdotal crimes in cities with assurances that he can post a 1000 of these REPORTS every day. LOL.
Really, I could not have written and planned that joke to play out any better if I had done it from a writer's office smack in the middle of Hollywood, USA, rather than laying in bed in my comfy apartment in Bangkok.
Uh. Anecdotal reports of crimes are not the same as repeatedly substantiated data showing crime and crime rates in the USA are down, way down, under Biden after a couple of historic upward spikes under Trump.
Correction: The 400,000 Baron spent would only be 600,000 in 2024 dollars. I plugged the wrong year in my inflation calculator.
MarquisdeSade1
07-09-24, 06:17
You and your polls.
https://www.oddschecker.com/us/politics/us-politics
This changes but odds of Biden winning are below Kamala Harris winning.
Trump is at +145, down from his highs at +200, but this translates to 60% winning.
And the latest polls conducted by Democrats show Trump having a chance in blue state strongholds like Minnesota, New Jersey, and Virginia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qt48oQi39A
Sorry, Loony Tooms, your guy is way down, and Trump is in hiding which is smart. He has learned when to stay quiet which shows growth. You do not fight your enemies when they are busy destroying themselves.They rigged the 2020 primary for him.
They rigged the 2020 general election for him.
Most people know it was rigged many others won't admit but they know it as well (hint hint Bangkok Bob et al here).
If he stays in the race the only way they can beat Bad Orange Man would be to rig it again.
And you can only cheat so many times before you get caught red handed, and you ruin the hustle.
Not to mention NO ONE would believe it if they woke up Nov 6 and the media declares Scumbag Joe miraculously WON AGAIN!
Bangkok Bob might come on here saying it was a legit election.
Whilst ROTFL his ass off.
But they want a clean slate, so they can start anew.
Hes a loser, he has never won, he dropped out after being labeled Scumbag Joe the cheating Plagiarist in 1987.
Then he came up very short in 2008.
Then he had to have the primary rigged and the general election 2020.
Their only way to beat Bad Orange Man is to swap out Scumbag Joe and cheat with a clean slate.
Allahu Akbar.
MarquisdeSade1
07-09-24, 06:28
Very interesting Texas Monthly article Elvis. Thanks for the link. Three observations,
1. Lisa Baron's husband was THE premier asbestos lawyer in the United States. He and the rest of the asbestos bar bankrupted around 100 USA Companies, including one I owned shares in. They and their clients collected over $200 billion in compensation, back when $200 billion was a lot of money. The majority of the companies had little to do with health problems caused by asbestos. But with "joint and several liability" it didn't matter. Over 100,000 jobs were lost as a result as a result of asbestos lawsuits.
As a group, plaintiffs lawyers contribute far more to the Democratic Party and Democratic politicians than any other professional group. They've stumped up billions for Democrats over the decades. And the Democratic Party is firmly in the pocket of the plaintiff's bar.
It's not just asbestos. The only manufacturer of silicon breast implants in the USA was forced out of business, even though there was "0" evidence they caused cancer. For a good while, no private propeller or turbo prop planes were manufactured in the USA, because the manufacturers were afraid they'd get sued out of existence. And one of the reasons medical costs are so high is because doctors' and hospitals' insurance costs are out of control, because of greedy plaintiffs' lawyers.
Lisa's a lawyer too, who used to work in her hubby's law firm. That's her background. And there are a lot more like her, pumping up the Democratic Party, which is only too happy to help the lawyers, while screwing over the businesses, doctors and working people who lose their jobs.
2. From your links, Fred Baron forked over $400,000, which would be over $1 million today, to cover up John Edward's love child with a campaign worker and provide housing for her. Edwards got off Scot free in court (which I'd argue wasn't necessarily an unreasonable outcome) while Trump got 34 felony convictions. Here are the differences in their cases.
A. Trump used his own money to pay off Stormy Daniels. The National Enquirer fully expected that Trump was going to reimburse it for the money it paid Karen McDougal. But Trump being Trump, he didn't fork over the money. In Edwards case, Fred Baron, who along with the rest of the plaintiffs bar stood much to gain from having one of their own in the Presidency, paid the money. (John Edwards was a plaintiffs' lawyer too.)
B. Trump's wife wasn't aware of Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal, who he was banging while she was pregnant and nursing. Edwards wife on the other hand was well aware of his love child. If I had Trump's money, I wouldn't bat an eye at paying $400,000 or $500,000 to cover up an affair. To him that's a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of a divorce. In other words, hiding the affairs from the public because he was running for president wasn't the only reason he paid up. Edwards' wife knew, so his presidential campaign was the sole motivation for Fred Baron's payoff. Btw, to cover up the affair, another one of Edwards young MARRIED campaign staffers took the hit. He said he was the father. I'm sure all this was just fine with his wife, and with Edwards' wife who was dying of cancer at the time.
C. Trump was tried in Manhattan, where 87% of the population voted for Biden. The prosecutor campaigned on jailing Trump.
3. Lisa Baron's life is a good argument for socialism. She was throwing 30 parties a year, complete with bands like the Moody Blues, Sheryl Crow, Don Henly, and ZZ Top! Wouldn't you have liked to had a party in your backyard with ZZ Top performing? Contrast to wealthy people like Elon Musk and the Koch Brothers, who recycle their earnings into legitimate philanthropy and new businesses that create jobs in America, instead of parties.
Apologies for not sticking to your topic, which is campaign contributions to Biden, but I couldn't resist.I knew a few guys that died from mesothelioma, I only wish they would of bankrupted many more, what a pity you only lost a few bucks.
And so many died.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/04/11/523277735/asbestos-deaths-remain-a-public-health-concern-cdc-finds
I hope Warren Buffet loses his fucking ass too with BNSF.
Long Live the Plaintiffs Trial Lawyers Assoc!!
What a fucking shame
I knew a few guys that died from mesothelioma,I only wish they would of bankrupted many more, what a pity you only lost a few bucks.
And so many died.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/04/11/523277735/asbestos-deaths-remain-a-public-health-concern-cdc-finds
I hope Warren Buffet loses his fucking ass too with BNSF.
Long Live the Plaintiffs Trial Lawyers Assoc!!Victims of asbestos related diseases should have received just and reasonable compensation. That doesn't require shutting down businesses and factories and destroying jobs at companies that no longer had anything to do with asbestos. The greedy plaintiffs lawyers (and you) didn't care. They were just focused on the $$$$. The greedy plaintiffs lawyers and their paid experts took home 25% to 50% of all money awarded to sufferers. Nowadays the bastards shuffle a few papers and get around $300,000 for every successful claim from the asbestos trust fund. Maybe that $300,000 should go into the pocket of the sufferer instead. Probably over $100 billion in 2024 dollars has gone into the asbestos lawyers pockets, enabling them to pay huge sums to their (and your?) favorite politicians.
Mitt Romney had something to do with a few bankruptcies. But at least he wasn't rooting for those companies to go out of business (MDS: "I only wish they would have bankrupted many more").
MarquisdeSade1
07-09-24, 19:35
Victims of asbestos related diseases should have received just and reasonable compensation. That doesn't require shutting down businesses and factories and destroying jobs at companies that no longer had anything to do with asbestos. The greedy plaintiffs lawyers (and you) didn't care. They were just focused on the $$$$. The greedy plaintiffs lawyers and their paid experts took home 25% to 50% of all money awarded to sufferers. Nowadays the bastards shuffle a few papers and get around $300,000 for every successful claim from the asbestos trust fund. Maybe that $300,000 should go into the pocket of the sufferer instead. Probably over $100 billion in 2024 dollars has gone into the asbestos lawyers pockets, enabling them to pay huge sums to their (and your?) favorite politicians.
Mitt Romney had something to do with a few bankruptcies. But at least he wasn't rooting for those companies to go out of business ("I only wish they would have bankrupted many more").Most attorneys are just as bad maybe even worse than "vulture capitalists" like Willard, maybe you should examine your sarcasm detector.
Odd that you took me so seriously here but didn't bother to comment on the NYT article which includes zero sarcasm?
https://www.google.com/search?q=sarcasm+def&rlz=1 CATRYO_enUS1074&oq=sarcasm+def&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDM5 MjNqMGo3 qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8.
BTW you write as if this was a lot of money? This was spread out over how many years (decades)? 30-40 yrs?
How about this by comparison, not that there is any moral equivalency between the two.
https://apnews.com/article/pandemic-fraud-waste-billions-small-business-labor-fb1d9a9eb24857efbe4611344311ae78
I have a cold and am So Jetlagged I took a Dump in my pants and I don't know what year it is.
MarquisdeSade1
07-10-24, 05:44
Victims of asbestos related diseases should have received just and reasonable compensation. That doesn't require shutting down businesses and factories and destroying jobs at companies that no longer had anything to do with asbestos. The greedy plaintiffs lawyers (and you) didn't care. They were just focused on the $$$$. The greedy plaintiffs lawyers and their paid experts took home 25% to 50% of all money awarded to sufferers. Nowadays the bastards shuffle a few papers and get around $300,000 for every successful claim from the asbestos trust fund. Maybe that $300,000 should go into the pocket of the sufferer instead. Probably over $100 billion in 2024 dollars has gone into the asbestos lawyers pockets, enabling them to pay huge sums to their (and your?) favorite politicians.
Mitt Romney had something to do with a few bankruptcies. But at least he wasn't rooting for those companies to go out of business (MDS: "I only wish they would have bankrupted many more").He didn't have to "root" for their bankruptcies, he bought them to chop them up so that he could squeeze as much blood as possible out of them ie, raiding the workers pensions etc and the end result was bankruptcy.
That was a not a "bug" as they say, that was the plan from day 1.
Trump had another incoherent blather campaign rally in Florida. Is he worried about losing Florida?
Felon45 Delivers Unhinged 'Airports' Rant. Here's Why That's Bad For Biden!
https://crooksandliars.com/2024/07/felon-delivers-unhinged-rant-about
Politics is mentally exhausting these days. I get it, but imagine if President Biden spoke in that manner. The headlines calling him unfit would be splattered across the New York Times and The Washington Post every day for a month. CNN and MSNBC would harp on it 24/7. What's happening here is that the Beltway media has dismissed the the fact that we nominated Biden. They want to pick the winner of the 2024 election for clicks and airtime. That's not how this is supposed to work.My favorite is how numbskull Trump speaks with pride about, as a grown man mind you, not knowing what the hell NATO is but that it only took him 2 minutes to figure it out. And what did he figure out? The utterly inaccurate notion that there is some sort of "bill" they pay for USA protection and if they are "delinquent" in paying that "bill" he will just let Russia "do whatever the hell it wants. ".
So far there has been no sad editorial by Jon Voight in Newsmax asking his guy to drop out of the race over that, his obsession with Hannibal the Cannibal Lector, the constant repetition of dozens of easily debunked lies, the baby-talk intonation, the mush-mouth gobbledygook blathering even when reading his notes or a teleprompter, the 34 Felony Convistions for conspiring to commit Election Fraud in a scheme to Steal a Presidential Election or anything else.
I am anxious to watch the Republican National Convention next week to find out what that Party's and its candidates's platform is. At this point, as near as anyone can tell at this point it has something to do with:
- Play golf.
- Making America Great Again as it was before the Revolutionary War.
- Play golf.
- Continuing their decades' long push to outlaw Sex For Pleasure.
- Play golf.
- Enact economic policies to make banks and bankers wealthier, increase and prolong Inflation and raise taxes on every American who buys anything.
- Play golf.
- Assurances that its candidate will again leave America and the rest of the world bare ass naked against Preventing whatever glorious "Once in 100 Years Disaster" that Repubs are contractually obligated to find, embrace and exacerbate whenever they occupy the White House.
- Play golf.
- Possibly announce their candidate's VP choice. Not based on that person's qualifications and ability to take over the job of President is, say, the top of the ticket gets zapped by a bolt of lightning on the golf course. No. According to the Repub Party's candidate it will be based on whatever the Dem Party ticket looks like that day in order to, you know, play off of it.
- Play golf.
Mainstream Media will need to outdo its recent astonishingly effective mission to keep the Horse Race as neck-in-neck close and stimulating no matter how historically successful the Dem side is vs how historically atrocious the Repub side is. Which is say a lot. But, hey, that is what being a typically pro Repub Bothsider MSM is all about.
Elvis 2008
07-11-24, 10:17
Even as far away as Bangkok, we recognize the Cognitively Impaired Winger Hilarity of Elvis lamenting that he "had a number of links I could have chosen from with regards to cities not reporting crimes, and you can google it yourself and see it is true"And this is why you are a douche Loony Tooms. Instead of seeing what I posted was true, you decided you were more comfortable with being lied to. My car insurance is up 50% under Biden. Why do you think that is? I know because I am here, but you do not have a fucking clue.
Really, I could not have written and planned that joke to play out any better if I had done it from a writer's office smack in the middle of Hollywood, USA, rather than laying in bed in my comfy apartment in Bangkok.
Uh. Anecdotal reports of crimes are not the same as repeatedly substantiated data showing crime and crime rates in the USA are down, way down, under Biden after a couple of historic upward spikes under Trump.So you repeat the government lies about crime being down and laugh and think you are legitimate. So you have two explanations for why the crime numbers are down: 1. Faulty reporting.
2. The numbers are real.
And you go with #2 because well, that is what you want to believe is true, and you are so fucking arrogant about it, and you rely on tried and true Democratic methods, attack the source and insult the opposition and show no interest in getting to any truth that might make the Democratic party look bad. And that is why you are a douche, Everything is Democrats good, Republicans bad.
What is so funny is you do not even know who your candidate for president is going to be. For a douche like you, who it is does not even matter. All that matters is he has the marking Democrat after his name. It is amazing how someone can go from being such a dunce to a genius in your douche eyes when that person votes for one party over the others. That is why douches like you are a threat to Democracy. You literally want a one party system.
And to think he managed to get the money those deadbeats owed America without a Repub MAGA 6 ruling of immunity to go ahead and kick down their doors and shoot them with AR-15 semi-automatic rifles as those idiotic warmongering Repubs threatened he would do:
Treasury, IRS announce milestone of $1 billion in tax debt collected from millionaires.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/11/irs-says-its-collected-1-billion-in-past-due-taxes-from-millionaires.html?__source=androidappshare
The Treasury Department and the IRS announced the collection of more than $1 billion in tax debt from high-income individuals over the past year.
In September, the IRS announced plans to expand its scrutiny of those making more than $1 million annually with more than $250,000 in recognized tax debt.
However, the funding enacted in 2022 that is allowing the IRS to pursue its plans still has its critics, particularly among congressional Republicans.If only those Know Nothing, Do Knowing Repubs in Congress had authorized as much funding for this as Biden originally asked for, the Peace-loving, well-organized, knowledgeable and capable President of the United States, Joe Biden, would have gotten even more of America's money back from those deadbeats and into paying down Trump's historically high deficits, improving the country's infrastructure and creating American jobs.
LOL. That Trump's Pandemic-creating lunatic Trump had the gall to blather on and on about how shitty America is with its shitty airports after not legislating or producing one dime to improve America's infrastructure for anything anywhere in 4 horrific years of golfing at his failed resorts. LOL.
Now, back to Mainstream Media's pathological focus on Joe Biden skipping or slurring over an inconsequential syllable every now and then in a rally speech. More important matters.
And this is why you are a douche Loony Tooms. Instead of seeing what I posted was true, you decided you were more comfortable with being lied to. My car insurance is up 50% under Biden. Why do you think that is? I know because I am here, but you do not have a fucking clue.
So you repeat the government lies about crime being down and laugh and think you are legitimate. So you have two explanations for why the crime numbers are down: 1. Faulty reporting.
2. The numbers are real.
And you go with #2 because well, that is what you want to believe is true, and you are so fucking arrogant about it, and you rely on tried and true Democratic methods, attack the source and insult the opposition and show no interest in getting to any truth that might make the Democratic party look bad. And that is why you are a douche, Everything is Democrats good, Republicans bad..See, the joke is you say crimes in cities are no longer being reported and that is why the crime rate under Biden only "looks" like it has declined.
Meanwhile, your fellow Winger MDS is busy posting reports of crimes in big cities. LOL. Get it? Funny.
I have actually contributed more to reducing the USA crime rate, improving American infrastructure, creating American jobs, increasing American workers' wages, expanding the USA Economy, establishing new All-Time Record Closing Highs in the Stock Market and paying down the USA national debt all the way from Thailand with my mail-in votes for Biden, every other Dem I can vote for and never a Repub than you or anyone else who has ever voted for Trump or any other Repub even if you did it from the dead center of the state of Kansas.
You're welcome.
Elvis 2008
07-11-24, 16:48
Even as far away as Bangkok, we recognize the Cognitively Impaired Winger Hilarity of Elvis lamenting that he "had a number of links I could have chosen from with regards to cities not reporting crimes, and you can google it yourself and see it is true", which you even quoted, followed a 2nd Winger posting REPORTS of random, anecdotal crimes in cities with assurances that he can post a 1000 of these REPORTS every day. LOL.
Really, I could not have written and planned that joke to play out any better if I had done it from a writer's office smack in the middle of Hollywood, USA, rather than laying in bed in my comfy apartment in Bangkok. Okay, and now this is from the WSJ.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/lies-damn-lies-and-crime-statistics-579186ae?mod=hp_opin_pos_3#cxrecs_s.
The USA Has two measures of crime. The Federal Bureau of Investigation's Uniform Crime Reporting program counts the number of crimes reported to police every year. The Bureau of Justice Statistics, in its National Crime Victimization Survey, asks some 240,000 people a year whether they have been victims of a crime. The two measures have diverged since 2020: The FBI has been reporting less crime, while more people say they have been victims.
The divergence is due to several reasons. In 2022,31% of police departments nationwide, including LOS Angeles and New York, didn't report crime data to the FBI. In addition, in cities from Baltimore to Nashville, Tenn. , the FBI is undercounting crimes those jurisdictions reported.
Another reason crimes reported to the police are falling is that arrest rates are plummeting. If victims don't believe criminals will be caught and punished, they won't bother reporting them.
End of link. I am cognitively impaired? You just spew out Democratic narratives and could give a rat's ass if they are true. Do you ever have an independent thought in your head?
It seems even more Americans are whining about a corrupt 2/3 conservative Supreme Court, to the tune of a whooping all-time high of 54.4%, that slightly more than half the country, that don't TRUST or believe in a SCOTUS that has become corrupt, manipulative and bribed by right-wing buddy billionaires.
Do Americans distrust and disapprove of the Supreme Court? July 10rd, 2024
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/approval/supreme-court/
That again is, "an all-time high of 54.4% worth of whining"...being voiced by Americans!
With an unrepentant, corrupt and defiant SCOTUS, with no oversight, no accountability, that answers to no one, has Americans feeling they're nothing more than a rouge high-court partisan arm of the "do nothing, no nothing" Repub party.
So with an all-time high disapproval rating by Americans, no accountability or oversight and countless citations of bribes and influence peddling from right-wing buddy billionaires by the 2/3 conservative SCOTUS, I'm perplexed why some people think, Americans wouldn't believe, The MAGA 6 (aka. the corrupt 2/3 conservative Supreme Court) and kingmakers, that has deemed itself above the law, wouldn't rule "immunity" differently for a Dem vs Repub president?
After all, if you're NOT accountable to anyone, anybody or anything, who's gonna STOP a corrupt, bias, immoral, partisan, Project 2025 and right-wing billionaire bribed SCOTUS judgement against a Dem?
Elvis 2008
07-11-24, 23:29
See, the joke is you say crimes in cities are no longer being reported and that is why the crime rate under Biden only "looks" like it has declined.
Meanwhile, your fellow Winger MDS is busy posting reports of crimes in big cities. LOL. Get it? Funny.
I have actually contributed more to reducing the USA crime rate, improving American infrastructure, creating American jobs, increasing American workers' wages, expanding the USA Economy, establishing new All-Time Record Closing Highs in the Stock Market and paying down the USA national debt all the way from Thailand with my mail-in votes for Biden, every other Dem I can vote for and never a Repub than you or anyone else who has ever voted for Trump or any other Repub even if you did it from the dead center of the state of Kansas.
You're welcome.I guess you are too stupid to realize a crime can be reported to the police and to the media but if the city does not report it, it does not go in the city's crime stats. So here we go again with you lying some more.
How do you figure you are reducing crime when you vote Democrat and 10 million illegals poured into the USA? Where is your rule of law bullshit on that?
So crime has been exploding in the USA while you douches justify making up a law to go after Trump.
And now you got guys riding mopeds stealing watches from NYC dinners. Good! https://robbreport.com/food-drink/dining/restaurant-thefts-nyc-rolex-patek-philippe-1235698756/.
And the first place I have seen and known of it is in South America. It looks like those dreamers have a different idea of the American dream.
And back to the arrogance. You have reduced crime. How can you know that when you are too damned stupid to even know what the crime rate is? And why would anyone believe a liar like you?
A much, much better economy, more jobs available, higher wages and so on under Biden today vs under Trump 4 years or for that matter under Biden last year vs Trump 4 years prior to that would logically support lower crime rates under Biden than Trump anyway, of course.
And then there is this:
Trumps Bogus Attack on FBI Crime Statistics.
May 3, 2024
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/05/trumps-bogus-attack-on-fbi-crime-statistics/
Former President Donald Trump said FBI data that show homicides and other violent crimes trending down are fake numbers. Theyre not.
The FBI data for 2023 are preliminary, but crime statistics experts say the reporting behind the overall downward trend is solid, and that trend is validated when compared to data samples from local and state law enforcement reports.
The FBI statistics contradict Trumps campaign narrative, repeated at a May 1 rally in Wisconsin, about rampant and rising violent crime in the U.S. And polls that show most Americans believe crime is on the increase. But that doesnt mean the data are wrong or fudged, as Trump put it.
The FBI statistics are, however, incomplete, given that they measure only crimes reported to law enforcement some crimes, such as rape, are historically greatly underreported and not every law enforcement agency reports its statistics. That has been the case for decades.
Trumps dismissal of the validity of the FBIs crime statistics reminds us of when Trump was running for president in 2016 and falsely labeled the unemployment rates published by the Bureau of Labor Statistics as phony numbers.
At that time, Trump claimed the unemployment rate was really 42%. (The official unemployment rate then was 4.9%.) Less than two months after Trump took office, however, he was happy to cite BLS official unemployment rate. Sean Spicer, Trumps top spokesman at the time, joked in a press briefing about Trumps new embrace of the jobs data, Yeah, I talked to the president prior to this, and he said to quote him very clearly They may have been phony in the past, but its very real now.
According to the FBIs preliminary 2023 crime report, violent crimes dropped 5.7% between 2022 and 2023, and the number of murders declined 13.2%. Thats based on data from 79% of law enforcement agencies in the U.S., representing higher participation than any year during Trumps presidency. Murders and violent crime went up in 2020, Trumps last year in office, and murders continued to rise in 2021, albeit to a lesser extent, as violent crime ticked down a bit. Both have been declining since, according to FBI and other crime data.
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But the preliminary 2023 FBI report the one that found a 13.2% drop in murders and a 5.7% decline in violent crimes in 2023 compared with 2022 is based on 79.4% of agencies reporting.
Thats pretty good! Harvey said. Its higher than any reporting rate during the Trump presidency, and close to the highest observed reporting rate between 2000 and 2022 (81%).
My refusing to vote for any Repub since 1982 and only for Dems since 1996 means I have never voted for a single Great Repub Recession (after Reagan's in 1982, for which I humbly apologize), a single Great Repub Stock Market Crash, a single Massive Repub Jobs Destruction, The Repub / Bush Attack on 9/11, two quagmire, counterproductive Repub Wars in the Middle East based on 900+ Repub Lies, the Historic Financial Crisis, Trump's Historic Trillions added to the deficit with near zero to show for it, Trump's very expensive 1 million fewer jobs created in his first 3 below average economy years in office than the 3 previous years under Obama-Biden, Trump's Pandemic, Trump's Worldwide Economic and Supply-Chain Collapse, Trump's Massive Jobs Losses in the Millions, Trump's 1 million+ Mass Murder of Americans and Millions more around the globe, Trump's 2 Bear Market Declines, Trump's Inflation, Trump's Cop-attacking, Cop-maiming, Cop-killing Insurrection to overturn a free and fair election and overthrow American democracy, Trump and ChristFacist Mike's near victory in outlawing Sex For Pleasure in America, Trump's Spikes in Murder and Crime Rates etc and only for Historic Dem Economic Recoveries and Expansions, Historic Job Gains, Historic Dem Stock Market Gains, Lower Murder and Crime Rates, Infrastructure Improvements, No Great Recessions, No Stock Market Crashes, No Global Pandemic, No Worlwide Economic and Supply-Chain Colapse, No Hyper Inflation, No Quagmire, Counterproductive Wars, etc.
To any of you proud and loud Wingers and you pretend "Bothsider / Neithersiders" who are really Wingers hiding behind that label who DID vote for some or all of the former horrors for America but still have benefitted greatly from my Dem-only votes, I offer you my most heartfelt "You're welcome".
Just a fun recap on the presidential election Consensus of Polls that matter heading into the Republican National Convention on Monday. So they are prior to both conventions and prior to Labor Day, traditionally the points where most voters finally begin to pay attention to a general election.
These figures are also factoring in the 1st Presidential Debate Quiz Show but not yet Biden's post-NATO Summit press conference, which just happened yesterday.
All of these metrics have either remained essentially unchanged or improved for Biden vs pre Presidential Debate Quiz Show.
The No Toss-Up States Electoral College Maps have remained the same for months with Biden needing to add the 3 pictured battleground states to his tally in order to achieve the 270 EVs necessary to win a 2nd term.
Biden already has a strong Ground Game presence in those 3 pictured critical states while Trump does not:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/
All the above considered, particularly the Ground Game advantage for Biden, and assuming the Consensus of Polls is highly accurate (admittedly a huge assumption but typically more likely than any one poll result), it would not be the least bit unrealistic to conclude that Biden would have a very good shot at winning "if the election were held tomorrow", with only Pennsylvania presenting a minor challenge for Biden's Ground Game presence advantage.
Neither Trump nor any of his fellow Know Nothing, Do Nothing Repubs have hinted at what on earth they would do to reduce the cost of rent, food, gas, etc that skyrocketed thanks to Trump's Pandemic.
But, like Trump's stated 2nd term plan to "drill baby drill" and his threats to trigger even more and longer Inflation with his "Close the Borders" plan (Biden has already out performed Trump and the rest of the world in oil production and we have the fewest monthly border crossings since Trump got kicked out of the WH), all the heavy lifting and political risk-taking has already been done to accomplish those things by President Joe Biden and his fellow Dems.
LOL. That is THE classic Deadbeat Repub move; to rush in after Dems have done all the very hard work necessary to accomplish good and great things for America to take utterly undeserved and unearned credit for it:
Here's the deflation breakdown for June 2024 in one chart.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/12/heres-the-deflation-breakdown-for-june-2024-in-one-chart.html?__source=androidappshare
Deflation measures how quickly prices are declining for consumer goods and services.
Prices have deflated for a range of items like physical goods, airfare, gasoline and some groceries since June 2023, according to the consumer price index.
One explanation: Supply and demand dynamics have normalized after being thrown out of whack during the Covid-19 pandemic.
Inflation has throttled back significantly since peaking two years ago. The U.S. economy is even seeing some prices deflate for consumers.
Deflation measures how quickly prices are falling for a consumer good or service. Its the opposite of inflation, which gauges how quickly prices are increasing.
Physical goods have accounted for much of the deflation over the past year, according to economists. This is happening as supply and demand dynamics that were thrown out of whack in the pandemic normalize.
Elvis 2008
07-13-24, 11:30
Biden already has a strong Ground Game presence in those 3 pictured critical states while Trump does not:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/
All the above considered, particularly the Ground Game advantage for Biden, and assuming the Consensus of Polls is highly accurate (admittedly a huge assumption but typically more likely than any one poll result), it would not be the least bit unrealistic to conclude that Biden would have a very good shot at winning "if the election were held tomorrow", with only Pennsylvania presenting a minor challenge for Biden's Ground Game presence advantage.LOL. You still have Biden in the election. Biden and Harris are dead even in the casino odds. I think Biden is going to try to make the donor class pay through the nose if they want him to step down.
538 no longer has Nate Silver making the calls. https://mishtalk.com/politics/538-predicts-biden-wins-nate-silver-has-trumps-odds-of-winning-at-72-percent/.
In a silly forecast, the 538 has Biden a tossup favorite. Nate Silver says Trump has a 72.2 percent chance. That fits in with casino odds where people are betting real money.
The battleground states in most polls are Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Wisconsin, and Nevada.
Those in play for Trump right now than no one expected to be are Colorado, New Mexico, Minnesota, Virginia, and New Hampshire.
Quite frankly, Trump is right now running a masterful campaign. For once, he has learned to shut up and not make headlines while the Democrats are imploding. The only time he has made news was to shut down the project 2025 nonsense and put out his own list of priorities.
If you do not see Trump is kicking your ass now, Loony Tooms, you need new glasses.
Elvis 2008
07-13-24, 12:24
It seems even more Americans are whining about a corrupt 2/3 conservative Supreme Court, to the tune of a whooping all-time high of 54.4%, that slightly more than half the country, that don't TRUST or believe in a SCOTUS that has become corrupt, manipulative and bribed by right-wing buddy billionaires.Well, this accusation went nowhere. The only reason SCOTUS has this number is the incessant Democratic whining. I would like to ask those who disapprove of the court why they do so, and I bet they could not tell me why. Of course, those of us with working brains wonder how you can be so for "rule of law" when it applies to Donald Trump and show contempt for SCOTUS when they decide how the law should be interpreted.
In fact, if I had to ask those disapproving idiots, what percent of decisions were 9 to 0, I bet they would say none when in reality as of May 8, 2024, https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/supreme-court-unanimity-is-fleeting-with-tougher-cases-looming-37.
The court has issued 18 opinions in argued cases so far this term, 15 of which have been unanimous.
The more than 80% figure represents the most harmony at the beginning of a term in the court's modern era, according to Adam Feldman, the creator of the blog Empirical SCOTUS.
Of course, that did not stop the idiot in chief known as AOC from doing the favorite Democratic method of achieving power: filing articles of impeachments and demanding special counsels.
Yes, how dare a Republican dominated SCOTUS give a framework for what presidential immunity is when a Democratic president is in office.
And SCOTUS ruled against Republican district attorneys in the censorship case.
Yes, the communists here want one party rule on everything including SCOTUS. The only SCOTUS that could be fair is nine Democratic judges.
I was just in NYC by the way, and I wrote a friend that if I ever complain about the people in Texas or Colombia to remind me about the people in NYC. I forgot how arrogant they are. They think of themselves as the only intelligent people in the whole country. So of course, they and their judges and attorneys should get together and make up a law to make Trump a criminal.
There is a restaurant owner who opened up Mickey's Place, an Italian restaurant near Amarillo in Canyon, Texas. He left NYC and said the reason he left is that he wanted to be around nice people. So he goes to a place that even Texans think of as fly over country with arguably the worst weather in the state, and he is killing it. The guy's restaurant is super popular and he has made so much money he does not know what to do with it. Apparently, his garbage bill in Texas for a year is less than what it was in NYC for a month.
And heavy hitters keep telling me about how great Amarillo is, so I looked at the Amarillo real estate scene. I asked about the unsafe neighborhoods and was told by person after person there really aren't any unsafe neighborhoods.
I never thought I would see the day that those uber cocky New Yorkers who swear NYC is the greatest place on earth would be moving to ultrared Amarillo, Texas and be bragging about doing so, but it appears to be happening.
MarquisdeSade1
07-13-24, 18:08
LOL. You still have Biden in the election. Biden and Harris are dead even in the casino odds. I think Biden is going to try to make the donor class pay through the nose if they want him to step down.
538 no longer has Nate Silver making the calls. https://mishtalk.com/politics/538-predicts-biden-wins-nate-silver-has-trumps-odds-of-winning-at-72-percent/.
In a silly forecast, the 538 has Biden a tossup favorite. Nate Silver says Trump has a 72.2 percent chance. That fits in with casino odds where people are betting real money.
The battleground states in most polls are Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Wisconsin, and Nevada.
Those in play for Trump right now than no one expected to be are Colorado, New Mexico, Minnesota, Virginia, and New Hampshire.
Quite frankly, Trump is right now running a masterful campaign. For once, he has learned to shut up and not make headlines while the Democrats are imploding. The only time he has made news was to shut down the project 2025 nonsense and put out his own list of priorities.
If you do not see Trump is kicking your ass now, Loony Tooms, you need new glasses.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cook-report-six-states-move-toward-trump-in-new-ratings/vi-BB1pLNkM
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/10/biden-new-york-trouble-00167198
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/11/democrats-biden-freak-out-blue-states-00167477
https://nypost.com/2024/03/24/us-news/south-american-crime-tourists-infiltrate-at-least-half-of-us-states-to-target-the-rich-thefts-way-way-up/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/05/nyregion/nyc-restaurant-robberies.html
LOL. You still have Biden in the election. Biden and Harris are dead even in the casino odds. I think Biden is going to try to make the donor class pay through the nose if they want him to step down.
538 no longer has Nate Silver making the calls. https://mishtalk.com/politics/538-predicts-biden-wins-nate-silver-has-trumps-odds-of-winning-at-72-percent/.
In a silly forecast, the 538 has Biden a tossup favorite. Nate Silver says Trump has a 72.2 percent chance. That fits in with casino odds where people are betting real money.
The battleground states in most polls are Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Wisconsin, and Nevada.
Those in play for Trump right now than no one expected to be are Colorado, New Mexico, Minnesota, Virginia, and New Hampshire.
Quite frankly, Trump is right now running a masterful campaign. For once, he has learned to shut up and not make headlines while the Democrats are imploding. The only time he has made news was to shut down the project 2025 nonsense and put out his own list of priorities.
If you do not see Trump is kicking your ass now, Loony Tooms, you need new glasses.What was so magical about the old 538 with Nate Silver vs the newer one without him? Have his forecasts been more accurate for all the actual election victories for Dems and underperformance for Repubs in the special elections and the mid-terms in 2018,2019, 2020,2021, 2022,2023 and so far in 2024?
The RCP Consensus Polls for the decisive Battleground states is not that much different than what is on 538 today, except that they have PA at the outer edge of a normal +/-MoE between Biden and Trump, which one might expect with a site like RCP that factors in Push Polls where likely Trumpsters / Repubs are pre-selected for their respondent samples. And they manipulate their updates to keep Trump / Repubs looking pretty there.
Otherwise, the No Toss-Up States EC Maps have remained the same for Biden for months, showing he needs to capture WI, MI and PA to hit 270 EC Votes.
Here is where it stands at 2:30 pm EST USA on the No Toss-Up States EC Maps and 538's Popular Vote, Electoral College Vote and their Forecast for WI, MI and PA, the 3 battleground states Biden needs to add to his current No Toss-Up tally in order to hit 270. Actually, as you can see, their Forecast today is that Biden would get 272 EC Votes:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/
Yes, a high crime rate is also factored into what makes these typically Repub Trump Red states the worst places to live and work in the USA:
These are America's 10 worst states for quality of life in 2024.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/13/10-states-worst-quality-of-life-america.html?__source=androidappshare
Worker shortages have eased a bit, but companies still look closely at quality of life when choosing a location that will attract skilled employees.
CNBCs annual ranking of state business climates considers quality of life among ten categories of competitiveness.
Quality of Life metrics include Crime, Child Care, Health Care, Environmental Quality, and Inclusiveness.I'll spare you the suspense.
With #1 being the Worst State to Live and Work In:
1. Texas.
2. Indiana.
3. Alabama.
4. Oklahoma.
5. Arkansas.
6. Tennessee.
7. Missouri.
8. Louisiana.
9. Kansas.
10. Arizona.
MarquisdeSade1
07-14-24, 00:04
LOL. You still have Biden in the election. Biden and Harris are dead even in the casino odds. I think Biden is going to try to make the donor class pay through the nose if they want him to step down.
538 no longer has Nate Silver making the calls. https://mishtalk.com/politics/538-predicts-biden-wins-nate-silver-has-trumps-odds-of-winning-at-72-percent/.
In a silly forecast, the 538 has Biden a tossup favorite. Nate Silver says Trump has a 72.2 percent chance. That fits in with casino odds where people are betting real money.
The battleground states in most polls are Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Wisconsin, and Nevada.
Those in play for Trump right now than no one expected to be are Colorado, New Mexico, Minnesota, Virginia, and New Hampshire.
Quite frankly, Trump is right now running a masterful campaign. For once, he has learned to shut up and not make headlines while the Democrats are imploding. The only time he has made news was to shut down the project 2025 nonsense and put out his own list of priorities.
If you do not see Trump is kicking your ass now, Loony Tooms, you need new glasses.The lack of quality psych meds in BKK is the issue.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cook-report-six-states-move-toward-trump-in-new-ratings/vi-BB1pLNkM
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/10/biden-new-york-trouble-00167198
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/11/democrats-biden-freak-out-blue-states-00167477
https://nypost.com/2024/03/24/us-news/south-american-crime-tourists-infiltrate-at-least-half-of-us-states-to-target-the-rich-thefts-way-way-up/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/05/nyregion/nyc-restaurant-robberies.htmlAt 3:30 in your first msn / Cook Report link, Jake Tapper asserts with ultimate youthful Mainstream Media News Anchor authority that George Cloony revealed that "the Donald Trump" he saw in the debate is the same "Donald Trump" he saw at the big fund raiser he had for him in LOS Angeles recently.
Oh no. Oh no. Worry, worry, worry. Did George Cloony really have a big fundraiser for Donald Trump recently or are we perhaps witnessing something uh much more uh serious and uh irreversible in Jake Tapper's mental acuity?
And the other lady did not notice and correct him. So she must suffering from senility and dementia too.
Lolol.
BTW, Arizona, Nevada and Georgia, the three states Cook and Tapper are suddenly and breathlessly reporting are heading to Trump's side have been counted on Trump's side in the No Toss-Up States Maps for months already. Biden does not need them to win the 270 EC Votes.
WTF. As bad as the Trump rally shooting was, thankfully it was not worse, which it easily could have been. There have been too many sad times like this for America in our lifetimes.
I hate to see shit like that happening in America.
Well, this accusation went nowhere. The only reason SCOTUS has this number is the incessant Democratic whining. I would like to ask those who disapprove of the court why they do so, and I bet they could not tell me why. Of course, those of us with working brains wonder how you can be so for "rule of law" when it applies to Donald Trump and show contempt for SCOTUS when they decide how the law should be interpreted. Yes, I guess it's not surprising a wayward Repub would approve of corruption...Duh!
In fact, if I had to ask those disapproving idiots, what percent of decisions were 9 to 0, I bet they would say none when in reality as of May 8, 2024, https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/supreme-court-unanimity-is-fleeting-with-tougher-cases-looming-37.
The court has issued 18 opinions in argued cases so far this term, 15 of which have been unanimous. ...
Yes, the communists here want one party rule on everything including SCOTUS. The only SCOTUS that could be fair is nine Democratic judges. And of those 15 unanimous decisions, probably half actually have a minority decent to them, but were forced/coerced by the majority, so as to have the outward appearance of unanimity and provide a united front in the decision.
I was just in NYC by the way, ... There is a restaurant owner who opened up Mickey's Place, an Italian restaurant near Amarillo in Canyon, Texas. ...
I never thought I would see the day that those uber cocky New Yorkers who swear NYC is the greatest place on earth would be moving to ultrared Amarillo, Texas and be bragging about doing so, but it appears to be happening.
All very nice, but totally useless, anecdotal stories, as they do not represent, unfortunately the experience of the majority of Americans. So if your story is anecdotal of just more dudes moving to Texas, then sure by all means have your sausage fest (...kkkk!).
But with abortion bans, IVF and very soon contraception bans, in red states, destroying women's health, family lives and establishing a family, ever more difficult, is it any wonder many American families are looking to better establish and grow their families in blue states.
Yes, a high crime rate is also factored into what makes these typically Repub Trump Red states the worst places to live and work in the USA:
These are America's 10 worst states for quality of life in 2024.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/13/10-states-worst-quality-of-life-america.html?__source=androidappshare
I'll spare you the suspense.
With #1 being the Worst State to Live and Work In:
1. Texas.
...
Elvis 2008, judging by the latest post, from EihTooms, Texas is #1 and the worst state to live and work in. Look I'm sure Texas is a great state in many ways, just not great quality of life, or to live, or work, according to the latest from a majority of Americans.
But when you're at the bottom, it all up and onward from there...right? So I'm routing for y'all in Texas. And you and buddy boy, have fun in Texas...ya hear!
Okay, and now this is from the WSJ.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/lies-da...=hp_opin_pos_3#cxrecs_s.
The USA Has two measures of crime. The Federal Bureau of Investigation's Uniform Crime Reporting program counts the number of crimes reported to police every year. The Bureau of Justice Statistics, in its National Crime Victimization Survey, asks some 240,000 people a year whether they have been victims of a crime. The two measures have diverged since 2020: The FBI has been reporting less crime, while more people say they have been victims.
The divergence is due to several reasons. In 2022,31% of police departments nationwide, including LOS Angeles and New York, didn't report crime data to the FBI. In addition, in cities from Baltimore to Nashville, Tenn. , the FBI is undercounting crimes those jurisdictions reported.
Another reason crimes reported to the police are falling is that arrest rates are plummeting. If victims don't believe criminals will be caught and punished, they won't bother reporting them.
End of link. I am cognitively impaired? You just spew out Democratic narratives and could give a rat's ass if they are true. Do you ever have an independent thought in your head? s.
BTW, your little puff-piece, entitled "Lies, Damn Lies, and Crime Statistics-Can anyone believe what California politicians say about law and order?" seemed to be disingenuous, at providing the full picture to crime statistics and seem more interested in smear campaign of Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-CA).
However, your link (well for me anyways) didn't provide the full-blown article. So the information I now provide, to complete the picture w/r to FBI crime statistics "divergence", may have been mentioned, in the article , but I doubt it!
1. The FBI can only report on the data it collects.
2. For 100 years the FBI have collected data from police departments throughout the country. The FBI have always had police departments NOT participating, partially participate or provide incomplete and partial data. The most recent complete year 2022, the FBI received data from 83% of participating agencies.
3. The "divergence" between the NCVS and UCR data is a misnomer. AS in 2021, the FBI incorporated a new modernized data collection system and stopped taking data from the old system, while ONLY ACCEPTING data on the new system.
Hence the 31% jump in police dept. non-participation verses a historical avg. of 17%. As many police departments are still getting up to speed, with the new system requirements. https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/07/13/fbi-crime-rates-data-gap-nibrs
4. So as police departments, like FL, NY and LA, are gearing up to meet the new FBI system collection requirements, I suspect participation numbers will revert back to historical norms.
With the new system and the FBI looking to collect meaningful data on other crimes, like domestic violence, hate crimes and politically motivated crimes (I think?), it will interesting where the actual upticks in crimes are occurring, that match NCVS data (that does not include sexual assault, BTW).
And God whispered to Donald to make him turn his head so Donald Shall Be America's 47th President.
And God whispered to Donald to make him turn his head so Donald Shall Be America's 47th President.God would have kept that PA Trump voter alive too if he had really wanted Trump to win and not just reminded by an apparent bullying victim not to be such a bullying asshole.
At 3:30 in your first msn / Cook Report link, Jake Tapper asserts with ultimate youthful Mainstream Media News Anchor authority that George Cloony revealed that "the Donald Trump" he saw in the debate is the same "Donald Trump" he saw at the big fund raiser he had for him in LOS Angeles recently.
Oh no. Oh no. Worry, worry, worry. Did George Cloony really have a big fundraiser for Donald Trump recently or are we perhaps witnessing something uh much more uh serious and uh irreversible in Jake Tapper's mental acuity?
And the other lady did not notice and correct him. So she must suffering from senility and dementia too.
Lolol.
BTW, Arizona, Nevada and Georgia, the three states Cook and Tapper are suddenly and breathlessly reporting are heading to Trump's side have been counted on Trump's side in the No Toss-Up States Maps for months already. Biden does not need them to win the 270 EC Votes.NBC's Kristen Welker joins the Jake Tapper, Joe Biden and Everyone Else on the Planet Club in mixing up the names of Presidents and Vice Presidents:
Kristen Welker Needs A Competency Test For Mixing Up Names.
https://crooksandliars.com/cltv/2024/07/kristen-welker-needs-competency-test
And, yep, just as it was with Jake Tapper, Welker did it herself right after nit-picking on Biden for doing it AND apparently while she was reading from notes or a teleptompter!
Lolol. Perfect.
Axel Heyst
07-14-24, 19:36
What a historical week! First Biden self-destructs by revealing the true state of his dementia in the debate and then this assassination attempt on President Trump. It is over boys and girls. Trump is going to be the next President. Get used to it.
But, let's cut to the core of the problem: Every single rational and HONEST American citizen know Trump is not the "devil", he is not a "racist", he is not a "Nazi", and his re-election will not end our democracy. It is all BS. So, right now a message is being sent to Comcast, Disney, CNN, NY Times, Washington Post, ect, ect, ect, and all the demagogue, race baiting, Democrat party politicians: cut this shit out, now. HAHAHA. So, we will see just how long MSNBC, for example, the # 1 hate "propaganda" network in the USA, owned by Comcast, tones down the rhetoric of hate. But money talks and MSNBC / Comcast makes money off hate.
This from the WSJ:
The assassination attempt against Donald Trump on Saturday evening is a horrific moment for America that could have been much worse. But we can't say it comes as a complete surprise. Political hostility and hateful rhetoric have been rising to a decibel level that far too often in the American past has led to violence and attempted murder. Some of us still remember 1968 all too well.
It's nothing short of miraculous that Mr. Trump avoided death by a literal inch. The former President can't help but think that Providence played some role in sparing him, as Ronald Reagan is said to have thought after he was shot and survived in 1981. The country was spared, too, from what could have been a furious cycle of retribution.
Yet a man was killed and two others seriously wounded at a rally that was supposed to celebrate their political allegiance and democratic participation. The Secret Service killed the alleged assassin, but the obvious question is how he could have gained the high ground atop a building near enough to be able to take those shots at the former President. Mr. Trump's rallies are severe security tests, but the Secret Service has had years to know how to protect him at these events.
It isn't enough to say the shooter was outside the security perimeter of metal detectors and bag searches. The motivations of the alleged shooteridentified by law enforcement early Sunday as 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks of Bethel Park, Pa. And whether he had accomplices may tell us more about how he was able to get in close shooting range.
But the leaders of the Secret Service have some explaining to do. Transparency in the investigation will be critical to avoid the spread of conspiracy theories on the right and left. On Saturday night social media was full of anti-Trump posters saying the shooting was staged to help his campaign.
President Biden spoke to the country from his weekend home in Delaware, as he should have done, and he properly denounced "political violence. " So did leaders of both political parties. But the statements will amount to little if they aren't followed with a change in behavior and rhetoric.
The shooter alone is responsible for his actions. But leaders on both sides need to stop describing the stakes of the election in apocalyptic terms. Democracy won't end if one or the other candidate is elected. Fascism is not aborning if Mr. Trump wins, unless you have little faith in American institutions.
We agree with former Attorney General Bill Barr's statement Saturday night: "The Democrats have to stop their grossly irresponsible talk about Trump being an existential threat to democracyhe is not. ".
One great risk is that the shooting in Butler, Pa. , will cause some on the right to seek violent revenge. This is where Mr. Trump and the Republicans have an obligationand a political opportunityat their convention in Milwaukee and through November.
If they weren't already, Americans after Saturday will be looking for stable, reassuring leadership. The photo of Mr. Trump raising his fist as he was led off stage by the Secret Service with a bloody face was a show of personal fortitude that will echo through the campaign. No one doubts his willingness to fight, and his initial statement Saturday night was a notable and encouraging show of restraint and gratitude.
His opportunity now is to present himself as someone who can rise above the attack on his life and unite the country. He will make a mistake if he blames Democrats for the assassination attempt.
He will win over more Americans if he tells his followers that they need to fight peacefully and within the system. If the Trump campaign is smart, and thinking about the country as well as the election, it will make the theme of Milwaukee a call to political unity and the better angels of American nature.
That leaves plenty of room for criticizing Democrats and their failed policies. But the country wants civil disagreement and discourse, not civil war.
The near assassination of Donald Trump could be a moment that catalyzes more hatred and an even worse cycle of violence. If that is how it goes, God help us.
Or it could be a redemptive moment that leads to introspection and political debate that is fierce but not cast as Armageddon. The country was spared the worst on Saturday and this is a chance to pull out of a partisan death spiral. That is the leadership Americans are desperate to see.
Elvis 2008
07-15-24, 02:25
WTF. As bad as the Trump rally shooting was, thankfully it was not worse, which it easily could have been. There have been too many sad times like this for America in our lifetimes.I hate to see shit like that happening in America.I have been asking what it would take for guys like you and Spidy to actually condemn those attacking Trump. There seems to be a contest on how bad of things you all can say about Trump. I am glad that you are finally at a limit, but I still do not think you get what has happened and what is happening.
First off, MSNBC and CNN said Trump fell down versus was shot and took cover. In other words, the first thing those news organizations did was try to equate Trump's getting shot with Biden and his frequent falls.
Second, a Trump assassination was always assumed to be a logical outcome for so many Republicans. Tucker Carlson came right out and said it.
Third, this is going to be swept up into a lone gunman night thing when it was not. The Biden administration has been accused of wanting its political opposition dead. The primary point with that being that RFK Jr. Was denied secret service protection.
https://mishtalk.com/politics/the-secret-service-failed-its-only-mission-biden-should-fire-the-director/
There is a lot to unpack in this article. To me, the worst of it are things said by former agents and the videos that show how the Biden administration was more concerned with DEI numbers than competent agents. I would like to see it confirmed that those in attendance did go to the police about this sniper, but even if they are lying, there is no excuse per the former agents to not lock down areas where you can get an easy shot at a target like this.
Then there is the video comparing the response with Trump to that with Reagan. It is painful to watch. And the video showing the women protecting Trump is just as bad.
Again, you Dems are going to go out there with this one lone gunman as a nut versus seeing the truth, that with a competent SS detail, this shooter would have been apprehended before he ever got a shot off.
The real issue is what to do now. Is RFK Jr going to get SS protection? And is Biden going to fire the head of the SS? So let me be clear, this assassination attempt is a complete failure by SS that is being run by the Biden administration. The question now is: will the Biden administration do anything about it? If they do not, the charge that they want their political opponents dead is going to ring more true than ever.
Yeah, to the victims in any shooting, it goes without saying (but should always be said), that just like the unfortunate murders of children, at Sandy Hook and Uvalde schools, by right-wing gunman with AR-15 rifles, thoughts and prayers, go out to the victim(s) and their families in the shooting.
Repub depravity at its best:
But it's soooo funny, how many Repubs crawl out from under a rock, to suddenly show-up to post, just to pontificate, bombast and boast about, how the Trump shooting (in all likelihood, a shooter that is a known registered Republican), should somehow magically, give Trump the win in Nov 2024.
And YET, none of YOU Repub cockroaches, have written anything resembling sympathy, condolences, thoughtfulness or commiseration for the victim(s) or families, in the shooting. In fact, y'all Repubs, seem to relish the fact he was shoot at!!!
And how the devil mysteriously, moved Trump's head in the nick of time. And yet still, no concerns for the death of one of your own supporters, by a rogue AR-15 gunman.
EihTooms, has been the only one (prior to my post), that even looked to commiserate the victim(s) and condone the level of vitriol and violence, we find ourselves facing, once again.
Meanwhile you Repub cockroaches, are simply looking, at how this shooting will immensely benefit the Trump campaign. 'Tis a sad time indeed!
Passing Thought:
However, I was surprised and somewhat perplexed, at how quickly he and SS got up and yet had the time to raise up and pump a "Black Power" fist in the air, for a photo opt, rather than ducking and scrambling for cover to be whisked away, under the security of the SS, in the dire case, there was perhaps multiple shooters? Hmmmm...
Let's not forget, this is the same man, who staged an attempted coup on J6!
Elvis 2008
07-15-24, 09:26
Yeah, to the victims in any shooting, it goes without saying (but should always be said), that just like the unfortunate murders of children, at Sandy Hook and Uvalde schools, by right-wing gunman with AR-15 rifles, thoughts and prayers, go out to the victim(s) and their families in the shooting.
Repub depravity at its best:
But it's soooo funny, how many Repubs crawl out from under a rock, to suddenly show-up to post, just to pontificate, bombast and boast about, how the Trump shooting (in all likelihood, a shooter that is a known registered Republican), should somehow magically, give Trump the win in Nov 2024.
And YET, none of YOU Repub cockroaches, have written anything resembling sympathy, condolences, thoughtfulness or commiseration for the victim(s) or families, in the shooting. In fact, y'all Repubs, seem to relish the fact he was shoot at!!!
And how the devil mysteriously, moved Trump's head in the nick of time. And yet still, no concerns for the death of one of your own supporters, by a rogue AR-15 gunman.
EihTooms, has been the only one (prior to my post), that even looked to commiserate the victim(s) and condone the level of vitriol and violence, we find ourselves facing, once again.
Meanwhile you Repub cockroaches, are simply looking, at how this shooting will immensely benefit the Trump campaign. 'Tis a sad time indeed!
Passing Thought:
However, I was surprised and somewhat perplexed, at how quickly he and SS got up and yet had the time to raise up and pump a "Black Power" fist in the air, for a photo opt, rather than ducking and scrambling for cover to be whisked away, under the security of the SS, in the dire case, there was perhaps multiple shooters? Hmmmm...
Let's not forget, this is the same man, who staged an attempted coup on J6!Yeah, this is the response I expected from a douche like you. Tooms actually showed class and you did not. Of course, our thoughts and prayers are with the victims, but there is anger too directed at the SS and to Democratic douches like yourself that honestly want this to happen. Just admit it you fucking low life douche, you would be happy if Trump were killed in this accident. And what does that say about you and Democracy?
this dude thinks "cockroaches" who disagree with him are lower morally than huim, even if he is devid of morality or the capacity to think!Last I chekded, the Gofubndme for the victims was in 7 figures. How much did you and Hunter give? Here is your chance, Mr Big Mouth https://www.gofundme.com/f/president-trump-seeks-support-for-butler-pa-victims.
Yes, pathological liar Trump could and most certainly would lie even about this.
A bullet? Or glass shards, as was hinted at soon after the incident?
But, let's cut to the core of the problem: Every single rational and HONEST American citizen know Trump is not the "devil", he is not a "racist", he is not a "Nazi", and his re-election will not end our democracy. It is all BS. So, right now a message is being sent to Comcast, Disney, CNN, NY Times, Washington Post, ect, ect, ect, and all the demagogue, race baiting, Democrat party politicians: cut this shit out, now. HAHAHA. So, we will see just how long MSNBC, for example, the # 1 hate "propaganda" network in the USA, owned by Comcast, tones down the rhetoric of hate. But money talks and MSNBC / Comcast makes money off hate.You know what? He brought this upon himself! He came out of the gates spreading hate the day he came down that escalator talking shit! And how many times has he talked about using violence at his rallies? We all know a lot! Like I said before. What goes around comes around. He reaped what he sowed, and he's lucky he wasn't killed. All these Republicans on TV talking about "this was an attack on democracy". Well what the fuck was January 6th? I've said before that this is not a game. This is not a joke. It's not just some theoretical bullshit that we go around and around and around with on the internet. This is some for real shit where people not only get injured, but killed! An innocent man took a bullet to the head that was meant for Trump. Cut the crap on both sides! All this talk about "turning the heat down". Well, the Republicans have a perfect chance to do that this week at their convention. Let's see if they do it. Let them go first. And remember we have no clue why some demented 20 year-old tried to kill Trump. Blaming it on Biden or what some Democrat said is, to borrow from another member here, just more of the same old Repukian "doucebag" behavior. In any event, nothing that's happened changes who and what Trump has been. He's shown us repeatedly who he is. So, we need to believe him. Anti-democracy. Anti-rule of law. Anti-peaceful transfer of power. Twice impeached for his behavior as President. Admires tyrants like Putin over our allies. And an all around liar. Which leaves him unfit for office! He is who he is. He did what he did, including incite violence. And so here we now are.
You know what? He brought this upon himself! He came out of the gates spreading hate the day he came down that escalator talking shit! And how many times has he talked about using violence at his rallies? We all know a lot! Like I said before. What goes around comes around. He reaped what he sowed, and he's lucky he wasn't killed. All these Republicans on TV talking about "this was an attack on democracy". Well what the fuck was January 6th? I've said before that this is not a game. This is not a joke. It's not just some theoretical bullshit that we go around and around and around with on the internet. This is some for real shit where people not only get injured, but killed! An innocent man took a bullet to the head that was meant for Trump. Cut the crap on both sides! All this talk about "turning the heat down". Well, the Republicans have a perfect chance to do that this week at their convention. Let's see if they do it. Let them go first. And remember we have no clue why some demented 20 year-old tried to kill Trump. Blaming it on Biden or what some Democrat said is, to borrow from another member here, just more of the same old Repukian "doucebag" behavior. In any event, nothing that's happened changes who and what Trump has been. He's shown us repeatedly who he is. So, we need to believe him. Anti-democracy. Anti-rule of law. Anti-peaceful transfer of power. Twice impeached for his behavior as President. Admires tyrants like Putin over our allies. And an all around liar. Which leaves him unfit for office! He is who he is. He did what he did, including incite violence. And so here we now are.None of this changes the fact that Joe Biden is infinitely more lucid, well informed, cognitively capable and fit to be President than Trump or any other Repub.
LOL. Where is the Mainstream Media demand for Trump to spend a no notes press conference hour with that same crowd Biden faced on USA foreign policy and state of the world. Lololol. Unimaginable.
And the exact same thing could be said regarding Biden vs Trump on the Economy, Jobs Creation, Infrastructure Legislation, Energy Independence, Reducing Crime or anything else.
And it does not change the fact that Trump is more responsible than any other person on the planet for laying the foundation for, exacerbating and deeply worsening his Trump's Pandemic and the million Americans and more around the globe that his horrific 2018,2019 and 2020 economic and national security decisions mass murdered, the worldwide economic and supply chain collapse, the millions of jobs destroyed, business and school closures, the Inflation, skyrocketing costs for rent, food and gas etc that followed.
I am only against responding to Trump's historically Worst President with the Worst Results in History and Unprecedented Crimes Against America with Vigilante Justice. That's all.
Yes, pathological liar Trump could and most certainly would lie even about this.
A bullet? Or glass shards, as was hinted at soon after the incident?It's "fake news"! Remember that?
And God whispered to Donald to make him turn his head so Donald Shall Be America's 47th President.So, your God whispered into the ear of Donald the philandering con-man but when there were innocent children getting shot up in Uvalde and Sandy Hook, your God just shook his head, couldn't be bothered and said "Not my problem". Good luck selling that bit of partisan lunacy.
Axel Heyst
07-15-24, 16:11
He brought this upon himself! Ok Cane. I get it. If this is what you truly want to believe, that's the end of our discussion. But before I put you on my ignore list, surely, you must realize that in your post you are clearly blaming the victim (President Trump) for being shot. Which is insane. It is inexcusable.
And what about Corey Comperatore? A logical deduction from your post is that Corey is to blame for his own assassination because he dared to go to a Trump Rally. Think about.
A. H.
This week's 538 Consensus of Polls update.
The No Toss-Up States Electoral College Map remains the same with Biden's best chance to win still being to add WI, MI and PA to his tally in order to capture the 270 EVs needed to win re-election.
At this writing, Biden has improved his lead over Trump vs last week regarding the consensus on his Chances of Winning (52 times out of 100 vs Trump's 47), his Electoral College Vote win (now at 274 vs Trump's 264) along with an expansion of his Consensus Popular Vote advantage to 2.5 points:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/
Yeah, this is the response I expected from a douche like you. Tooms actually showed class and you did not. YES, the Dems posting here, did show class! Being only ones that showed thoughtfulness to the victims (incl. Trump), is very much an indictment on you, Repubs and how you care nothing for fellow Americans of any stripe.
Of course, our thoughts and prayers are with the victims, (...kkkk!) Yeah, after I called you deprived thoughtless Repubs OUT!
You provided it, like an after thought. As if the lives of the victims, are something trivial and cannon fodder for the "cause". If you REALLY meant it, you would have written it and said so in your first post. YOU DIDN'T!!!! Because you weren't thinking of your fellow Americans in their time of grief!
but there is anger too directed at the SS and to Democratic douches like yourself that honestly want this to happen. (...kkkk!) Yeah, right! Nice narrative your trying to push! May I, again remind you of the staged, J6 insurrection and coup?
In this episode of "Paycheck Superhero":
Just admit it you fucking low life douche, you would be happy if Trump were killed in this accident. And what does that say about you and Democracy?
It seems "Paycheck Superhero", grief stricken backpedaling has him feeling a tad bit embarrassed, as the supervillains, not only are first to pay their respects to the victims of crime, but have shamed him, for NOT doing his job as the superhero, he claims to be.
Stay tuned to find out:
• If "Paycheck Superhero"', really does "sympathy" at all, or is it does a brave front?
• If "Paycheck Superhero"'s very late, but welcomed condolences to the victims of crime, will save his tarnished superhero crime fighting status?
Stay Tuned...
I hate the assassination attempt and all the Hate and Lies that Spewed for 8+ Years from the mainstream scumbag media, Fake president Biden, the dem congress and other scumbags -- At least they are pretending that they are sorry they said it or pretending they never said anything-- How long shall that last?
The Upside is Donald J Trump Shall Be Our Next President.
" Quote Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post] this dude thinks "cockroaches" who disagree with him are lower morally than huim, even if he is devid of morality or the capacity to think!"
Last I chekded, the Gofubndme for the victims was in 7 figures. How much did you and Hunter give? Here is your chance, Mr Big Mouth https://www.gofundme.com/f/president-trump-seeks-support-for-butler-pa-victims. Dude, at the very least, "...PLEASE QUOTE ME ACCURATELY" ...duh!
...N'est-ce pas, mon ami?
PS: Yes, the fund is a really good thing and will ease some of the pain. But it doesn't bring back a loved one, lost senselessly, to a violence crime. Nor justify, nor ease the level of vitriol and violence. Money can't justify everything!
This week's 538 Consensus of Polls update.
The No Toss-Up States Electoral College Map remains the same with Biden's best chance to win still being to add WI, MI and PA to his tally in order to capture the 270 EVs needed to win re-election.
At this writing, Biden has improved his lead over Trump vs last week regarding the consensus on his Chances of Winning (52 times out of 100 vs Trump's 47), his Electoral College Vote win (now at 274 vs Trump's 264) along with an expansion of his Consensus Popular Vote advantage to 2.5 points:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/Just since I posted the above, Biden has increased his chances of winning on that site's Consensus to 53 out of 100 and his Electoral College take to 276 vs Trump's 262. See link in my previous post quoted above.
It might be hard to keep up with Biden's minute by minute improvement in his Consensus standing while the Republican National Convention is raging on.
Axel Heyst
07-15-24, 20:49
If the assassination attempt is fake news than why are you using an edited photo to make your point? Obviously, the truth means nothing to you. But thanks for the posting. It says everything I need to know about your character.
AND BTW, the unaltered, unedited Trump Assassination photo, the real one, which I have attached to this post is, without a doubt, the most instantly iconic photo of the 21st century. Forgetabout your political bent for 10 seconds. If you cannot realize what the impact this photo is going to have on the election, you might as well be blind. But I think you do know what the impact of the photo is going to be which is why you could not help yourself, KKK, and posted the altered photo.
Bye Bye, see you at the inauguration.
A. H.
Ok Cane. I get it. If this is what you truly want to believe, that's the end of our discussion. But before I put you on my ignore list, surely, you must realize that in your post you are clearly blaming the victim (President Trump) for being shot. Which is insane. It is inexcusable.
And what about Corey Comperatore? A logical deduction from your post is that Corey is to blame for his own assassination because he dared to go to a Trump Rally. Think about.
A. H.Yeah, who's practicing cancel culture now? And how about you read and try to comprehend what I wrote? I stated very clearly that an entirely innocent man (that would be Comperatore) was shot in the head and killed. So if you want to try making "logical deductions" then how about starting with some logic? Or simply read what I wrote. And yes, I do blame Trump for the ratcheting up of political violence in this country. As the president he had the bully pulpit. He set the tone by saying things like "there's good people on both sides" (apparently even when one side includes undeniable racists). He told the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by" on live, national television. And he egged on a mob to attack the very seat of American democracy. And this is just a little bit. How about the time he said somebody at a rally should be carried out on a stretcher? So you see, you're damn right he's responsible because he's his own worst enemy. What goes around comes around. You reap what you sow! So go ahead and put me on ignore if you will. I'll still be able to read your Brazil posts if I want to. I like them, and I will. It's really true isn't it? If you want to get along then don't argue about politics, sex, or religion!
...He brought this upon himself! Yes, quite right, indeed!
Not sure why it is, some others will always try to defend Trump's blatant racism, but it's always good to set the record straight.
For those not convinced, Trump bears a good deal of the responsibility and violence, associated in his unfortunate shooting incident, should take a good look at the following timeline of incited hatred spewed by the felon, con-man, charlatan, pussy-grabber, porn-star fucker and ex-Pres.
VOX - Donald Trump is the accelerant - A comprehensive timeline of Trump encouraging hate groups and political violence.
On the very day that Congress counted the electoral votes that certified President-elect Joe Biden's victory, Trump opened up the US Capitol to an insurrection. He told a crowd rallying south of the White House to walk down to the Capitol, adding, You will never take back our country with weakness. ...
As far back as 2015, Trump has been connected to documented acts of violence, with perpetrators claiming that he was even their inspiration. In fact, dozens of people enacted violence in Trumps name in the years before the Capitol attack, according to a 2020 report from ABC News.
In 2016, a white man told officers Donald Trump will fix them while being arrested for threatening his Black neighbors with a knife. That same year, a Florida man threatened to burn down a house next to his because a Muslim family purchased it, claiming that Trumps Muslim ban made it a reason for concern. Then there are the more widely known examples, like Cesar Sayoc, who mailed 16 inoperative pipe bombs to Democratic leaders and referred to Trump as a surrogate father; and the mass shooting in El Paso, Texas, in 2019 that left 23 dead, where the shooters manifesto parroted Trumps rhetoric about immigrants.
In some cases, Trump denounces the violence, but he often walks back such statements, returning to a message of hate and harm. In August, he defended a teenage supporter who shot three people at a Black Lives Matter protest.And at the first presidential debate of the 2020 election, the president shocked many viewers when he was given an opportunity to condemn white supremacists, but declined.
In October, he equivocated on condemnation of the domestic terrorists who allegedly planned to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, after Trump had stoked outrage over the states pandemic safety measures. He criticized Whitmer when the kidnapping plot was revealed and fished for compliments.
Trump has continually refused to recognize whats at the core of this violence: hate nurtured under a tense national climate that he has helped cultivate.
2015: Trump announces his presidential bid and quickly suggests violence is the answer to opposition.
Trump officially announced his candidacy for president of the United States in June 2015 and wasted little time inciting fear and hate in his first speech. That year, critics argued that his language led to attacks on bystanders, and in some cases, acts of violence were directly linked to Trumps words.
...
https://www.vox.com/21506029/trump-violence-tweets-racist-hate-speech
Still not convinced? Take a look here:
Donald Trumps long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020 - Trump has repeatedly claimed he's "the least racist person. " His history suggests otherwise.
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history
JD Vance, like so many people (including plenty right here), knows the real truth about Donald Trump. But instead, he allows his political ambitions to compromise his personal values. How despicable! And how sad.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-vp-choice-jd-vance-running-mate-b2578227.html
Yes, quite right, indeed!
Not sure why it is, some others will always try to defend Trump's blatant racism, but it's always good to set the record straight.
For those not convinced, Trump bears a good deal of the responsibility and violence, associated in his unfortunate shooting incident, should take a good look at the following timeline of incited hatred spewed by the felon, con-man, charlatan, pussy-grabber, porn-star fucker and ex-Pres.
VOX - Donald Trump is the accelerant - A comprehensive timeline of Trump encouraging hate groups and political violence.
On the very day that Congress counted the electoral votes that certified President-elect Joe Biden's victory, Trump opened up the US Capitol to an insurrection. He told a crowd rallying south of the White House to walk down to the Capitol, adding, You will never take back our country with weakness. ...
As far back as 2015, Trump has been connected to documented acts of violence, with perpetrators claiming that he was even their inspiration. In fact, dozens of people enacted violence in Trumps name in the years before the Capitol attack, according to a 2020 report from ABC News.
In 2016, a white man told officers Donald Trump will fix them while being arrested for threatening his Black neighbors with a knife. That same year, a Florida man threatened to burn down a house next to his because a Muslim family purchased it, claiming that Trumps Muslim ban made it a reason for concern. Then there are the more widely known examples, like Cesar Sayoc, who mailed 16 inoperative pipe bombs to Democratic leaders and referred to Trump as a surrogate father; and the mass shooting in El Paso, Texas, in 2019 that left 23 dead, where the shooters manifesto parroted Trumps rhetoric about immigrants.
In some cases, Trump denounces the violence, but he often walks back such statements, returning to a message of hate and harm. In August, he defended a teenage supporter who shot three people at a Black Lives Matter protest.And at the first presidential debate of the 2020 election, the president shocked many viewers when he was given an opportunity to condemn white supremacists, but declined.
In October, he equivocated on condemnation of the domestic terrorists who allegedly planned to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, after Trump had stoked outrage over the states pandemic safety measures. He criticized Whitmer when the kidnapping plot was revealed and fished for compliments.
Trump has continually refused to recognize whats at the core of this violence: hate nurtured under a tense national climate that he has helped cultivate.
2015: Trump announces his presidential bid and quickly suggests violence is the answer to opposition.
Trump officially announced his candidacy for president of the United States in June 2015 and wasted little time inciting fear and hate in his first speech. That year, critics argued that his language led to attacks on bystanders, and in some cases, acts of violence were directly linked to Trumps words.
...
https://www.vox.com/21506029/trump-violence-tweets-racist-hate-speech
Still not convinced? Take a look here:
Donald Trumps long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020 - Trump has repeatedly claimed he's "the least racist person. " His history suggests otherwise.
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-historyApparently, it was not possible for Trump to find a non white male or a woman who would absolutely and without hesitation agree to violate whatever silly Oath of Office he / she took or the USA Constitution and instead follow Trump's criminal orders explicitly at any and all times.
But Vance did.
Everyone kniws that was the #1 requirement to be Trump's running mate in 2024.
But that doesn't prove Trump is a racist. We have his long history of racist moves since the 1970's for that, as you cited and linked above.
It really only further proves he is an America-hating, democracy-hating wannabe authoritarian dictator. Vance used to point that out about him too. But now he keeps his mouth shut about it.
Oh, I do see that at the end of the day Trump might have gotten a 1 point assassination attempt bump, a 1 point RNC nomination bump or perhaps it was a 1 point Judge Marjorie Taylor Cannon decision to create the ultimate delay on his "critical classified document retaining despite being requested to return them" trial.
This is a fluid contest, nobody is "kicking" anyone's ass at this point, least of all Trump "kicking" Biden's ass in the Consensus of Polls lately.
Meanwhile, it was hilarious to see the Repub Squeaker of the Pink Tinkle and Getting Smaller All the Time House, ChristoFacist Mike, totally lose it and not know wtf to say about whoever it was he was "honored" to introduce at the Dumb Repub Hillbilly (now literally) Rally today:
Watch: Mike Johnson Freaks Out as RNC Teleprompter Breaks Down.
The Republican National Convention, which convened to nominate Donald Trump, is off to a shaky start.
https://newrepublic.com/post/183853/mike-johnson-rnc-teleprompter-trump
An apparent teleprompter malfunction, which sent House Speaker Mike Johnson scurrying off-stage at the Republican National Convention Monday afternoon, launched the high-stakes political event into a welcome new phase: cover band concert.
It is now my honor to introduce the attorney general, Johnson began haltingly. And there goes the teleprompter.
Johnson awkwardly made his exit. Meanwhile, Sixwire, a country-rock band based out of Nashville, Tennessee, performed a rendition of Steely Dans Reelin In the Years. A livestream of the main room showed clumps of blonde women dressed in bright red and waving their Trump signs, and white guys nodding their heads to the beat.
After the song ended, the band just kept going, and going, and going, riffing on the songs iconic guitar melody. Some say theyre still vamping to this day.LOL. Add ChristoFacist Mike to the list of every other Repub who would not fare as well without a teleprompter as Joe Biden and, in fact, do not fare as well WITH notes and a teleprompter in terms of content, smoothness and obvious cognitive acuity and understanding of every nuance in the message.
MarquisdeSade1
07-16-24, 02:44
I hate the assassination attempt and all the Hate and Lies that Spewed for 8+ Years from the mainstream scumbag media, Fake president Biden, the dem congress and other scumbags -- At least they are pretending that they are sorry they said it or pretending they never said anything-- How long shall that last?
The Upside is Donald J Trump Shall Be Our Next President.Ross is easily thee most talented writer by light years at the NYT
Ok I know that's a very very low bar but nonetheless.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/15/opinion/donald-trump-assassination-destiny.html
"He just turned an attempted assassination into a Renaissance painting of bloodied defiance.".
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2024/07/14/rep-bennie-thompson-field-director-no-longer-employed-after-cheering-trump-shooting/
https://highlandcountypress.com/opinions/secret-service-scuffle-prompts-dei-vetting-scrutiny#gsc. Tab=0.
MarquisdeSade1
07-16-24, 02:54
Yes, quite right, indeed!
Not sure why it is, some others will always try to defend Trump's blatant racism, but it's always good to set the record straight.
For those not convinced, Trump bears a good deal of the responsibility and violence, associated in his unfortunate shooting incident, should take a good look at the following timeline of incited hatred spewed by the felon, con-man, charlatan, pussy-grabber, porn-star fucker and ex-Pres.
VOX - Donald Trump is the accelerant - A comprehensive timeline of Trump encouraging hate groups and political violence.
On the very day that Congress counted the electoral votes that certified President-elect Joe Biden's victory, Trump opened up the US Capitol to an insurrection. He told a crowd rallying south of the White House to walk down to the Capitol, adding, You will never take back our country with weakness. ...
As far back as 2015, Trump has been connected to documented acts of violence, with perpetrators claiming that he was even their inspiration. In fact, dozens of people enacted violence in Trumps name in the years before the Capitol attack, according to a 2020 report from ABC News.
In 2016, a white man told officers Donald Trump will fix them while being arrested for threatening his Black neighbors with a knife. That same year, a Florida man threatened to burn down a house next to his because a Muslim family purchased it, claiming that Trumps Muslim ban made it a reason for concern. Then there are the more widely known examples, like Cesar Sayoc, who mailed 16 inoperative pipe bombs to Democratic leaders and referred to Trump as a surrogate father; and the mass shooting in El Paso, Texas, in 2019 that left 23 dead, where the shooters manifesto parroted Trumps rhetoric about immigrants.
In some cases, Trump denounces the violence, but he often walks back such statements, returning to a message of hate and harm. In August, he defended a teenage supporter who shot three people at a Black Lives Matter protest.And at the first presidential debate of the 2020 election, the president shocked many viewers when he was given an opportunity to condemn white supremacists, but declined.
In October, he equivocated on condemnation of the domestic terrorists who allegedly planned to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, after Trump had stoked outrage over the states pandemic safety measures. He criticized Whitmer when the kidnapping plot was revealed and fished for compliments.
Trump has continually refused to recognize whats at the core of this violence: hate nurtured under a tense national climate that he has helped cultivate.
2015: Trump announces his presidential bid and quickly suggests violence is the answer to opposition.
Trump officially announced his candidacy for president of the United States in June 2015 and wasted little time inciting fear and hate in his first speech. That year, critics argued that his language led to attacks on bystanders, and in some cases, acts of violence were directly linked to Trumps words.
...
https://www.vox.com/21506029/trump-violence-tweets-racist-hate-speech
Still not convinced? Take a look here:
Donald Trumps long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020 - Trump has repeatedly claimed he's "the least racist person. " His history suggests otherwise.
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-historyhttps://spectator.org/cartoon/what-could-have-caused-the-trump-shooting/
Axel Heyst
07-16-24, 04:54
So you see, you're damn right he's responsible because he's his own worst enemy. What goes around comes around. You reap what you sow! So go ahead and put me on ignore if you will. I'll still be able to read your Brazil posts if I want to. I like them, and I will. It's really true isn't it? If you want to get along then don't argue about politics, sex, or religion! Hey Cane, your last sentence makes sense especially the part referring to politics and religion. But if you, I, or anybody want to really debate politics in a serious way, it is imperative to keep it civil and refrain from ad hominem personal attacks unless you want to end up in a brawl. This is simple courtesy and respect debate rule #101, but unfortunately there have been far too many personal attacks from both sides and the vibe in America is toxic and getting worse. Wasn't Joe supposed to be the unifier president?
So it has been a rough and tumble couple of weeks, that is for sure. First the amazing debate, then the assassination attempt, and now it is Milwaukee. I honestly believe that as a result of these last weeks we are about to witness a tectonic shift in our politics which is something I find it very interesting. In fact, I am looking forward to it. Now which one of the resident lefties here want to personally attack me for saying / thinking this? UHM?
Anyway, I started the current round of back and forth with a let's cut back on the hate rhetoric. It was nothing that heavy really, just a version of "can't we try to get a long," KKK, but I know that ain't going to happen. So, we locked horns. I said what I wanted to say, you said what you wanted to say, and nothing was achieved, so I am going back to what interests me on the ISG: namely talking about girls, girls & more girls!
But make no mistake, I am not conceding the argument. In fact, I think you lost the argument with the 1st sentence in your opening salvo this morning. The Trump deserved it comment was way, way out there and you should know better. I. E. You can't expect to have any kind of civil debate after you throw a hand grenade like that into the discussion two days after an attempted assassination. As Biden always says, "Come on, Man!" How would you have responded to a similar comment if it had been Biden at the wrong end of an assassin's rifle?
P.S. I read and like your posts in the Brazil forum too, so what the fuck! Fighting over politics is total BS. Vote for whomever you like, once, and let the best man, Trump, win.
Well, somebody is supposedly rewiting it for him. They better have triple backup on those teleprompters that keep acting up or it'll be a long night of Electrified Shark Tales. Did they have to take the worst teleprompter service available after the more competent ones refused to get stiffed again on their payment by Trump and his fellow Repub Deadbeats?
Anyway, back to this supposedly "softening of the violent rhetoric" Trump speech somebody is writing for him.
It will prove to be just another of the tens of thousands of lies Trump has told just since 2015 unless the very first words out of Trump's piehole are something like:
"To President Joe Biden and the American people, I offer you my heartfelt apology and ask your forgiveness for my 3 1/2 years of lying about Joe Biden stealing the 2020 election. He did not. He won fair and square. I lied to you about that, encited a violent mob attack on cops, the USA Constitution, waged War Against America on American Soil, sat and did nothing but enjoy the show for 3+ hours while my VP, the Speaker of the House and other duly-elected officials were stalked and targeted for assassination, wrongly and dangerously praised, honored and glorified those bloody would-be assassins as "patriots", promised them pardons and further defined my War Against America on American Soil by mischaracterizing them as "hostages" after they were fairly tried, convicted and sent to prison for their and my unforgivable crimes against America and American democracy.
And for that I am very, very sorry. Please forgive me. ".
If we don't hear that coming out of Trump's piehole before the end of this RNC Lie Fest, then he has no intention of making America or American politics safer for the true American Patriots he targeted with violence for every hour of every day of the past 3 1/2 years that he repeated that Big Lie and praised his murderous would-be assassin Repub thugs.
The Photos and video from Saturday are some of the most iconic in US political history--Of course Roosevelt was not set-up by the CIA and the Secret Service.
Attempted assassination of Theodore Roosevelt.
On October 14,1912, former saloonkeeper John Schrank (1876–1943) attempted to assassinate former USA President Theodore Roosevelt while he was campaigning for the presidency in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Schrank's bullet lodged in Roosevelt's chest after penetrating Roosevelt's steel eyeglass case and passing through a 50 page thick (single-folded) copy of his speech titled "Progressive Cause Greater Than Any Individual", which he was carrying in his jacket pocket. Schrank was immediately disarmed and captured; he might have been lynched had Roosevelt not shouted for Schrank to remain unharmed. Roosevelt assured the crowd he was all right, then ordered police to take charge of Schrank and to make sure no violence was done to him.
As an experienced hunter and anatomist, Roosevelt correctly concluded that since he was not coughing blood, the bullet had not reached his lung; he declined suggestions to go to the hospital immediately. Instead, he delivered his scheduled speech. His opening comments to the gathered crowd were, "Friends, I shall ask you to be as quiet as possible. I don't know whether you fully understand that I have just been shot—but it takes more than that to kill a Bull Moose.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_assassination_of_Theodore_Roosevelt
If this keeps up, Elon Musk and Marjorie Taylor Greene, the true King and Queen powers behind the Republican Party, might think about canceling the next couple of days and put Trump back into gag order hiding.
The day finished with Trump behind Biden in the 538 Favored To Win Consensus of Polls by 275 Electoral College Votes for Biden vs 263 for Trump, Biden having 53 Chances of Winning the Election out of 100 vs Trump's 47 in their credible polling mix and Biden 2. 5 points ahead of Trump in the Popular Vote:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/
Oh well. Tomorrow is another day. Maybe Trump or somebody else in the Repub Party will finally say or do something that pulls them out of this up / down range for both Parties' candidates within the mid 40% range.
Nobody is "kicking" anybody's ass yet. I mean, unless you factor in the above Consensus and the rather notable shift toward Biden in the polls among Independents since he was the only candidate in that Presidential Debate Quiz Show who provided truthful, fact-based, substantive answers to every question vs the one who couldn't manage to blather out one.
The least racist candidate just chose a white male for his VP
Apparently, it was not possible for Trump to find a non white male or a woman who would absolutely and without hesitation agree to violate whatever silly Oath of Office he / she took or the USA Constitution and instead follow Trump's criminal orders explicitly at any and all times.
But Vance did.
Everyone kniws that was the #1 requirement to be Trump's running mate in 2024.
But that doesn't prove Trump is a racist. We have his long history of racist moves since the 1970's for that, as you cited and linked above.
It really only further proves he is an America-hating, democracy-hating wannabe authoritarian dictator. Vance used to point that out about him too. But now he keeps his mouth shut about it. ...Trump was NEVER going to select a "non-white male" candidate.
But it was fun to see, Vivek Ramaswamy, Tim Scott, Marco Rubio, Byron Donalds, Ben Carson and Elise Stefanik, all as the "non-white male" candidates, twist themselves into pretzels, parroting Trump's nonsense (even when Trump belittled them, made fun of them) and clone themselves as mini-me versions of the pussy-grabber.
Due to his racist and sexist tendencies, naturally Trump was NEVER and COULD NEVER be seen selecting a "non-white male" minority type candidate for Veep. (Look at how well that worked out for McCain!)
How else could he, the Repubs, FOXY Muse and right-wing MSM, justify and keep up, their Project 2025 crusade on DEI hires? And still denounce, Veep Kamala Harris, as DEI?
After all, how would it look to the right-wing billionaire donor class, conservative elites, white supremacists and the QAnon/MAGA cult woke mob, if they had their very own Repub DEI Veep and deviated from Project 2025 doctrine mid-stream?
If the assassination attempt is fake news than why are you using an edited photo to make your point? Obviously, the truth means nothing to you. But thanks for the posting. It says everything I need to know about your character.Do you really think that I believe it's "fake news"? Again, read what I wrote. This is not a game. This is not a joke! No, I was mocking the right for the kind of bullshit it spews when it doesn't like the news. Just dismiss it by calling it "fake news". It can't possibly be true because we don't like it. If you're so narrow-minded and tied up in your own political bent that you couldn't see what I was doing and think I believe this is about some fake news, then that tells me all I need to know about your own character.
Trump was NEVER going to select a "non-white male" candidate. But it was fun to see, Vivek Ramaswamy, Tim Scott, Marco Rubio, Byron Donalds, Ben Carson and Elise Stefanik, all as the "non-white male" candidates, twist themselves into pretzels, parroting Trump's nonsense (even when Trump belittled them, made fun of them) and clone themselves as mini-me versions of the pussy-grabber.I just love you massah! Hahahahahaha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ingY7ethJOI&ab_channel=Newsweek
It is a one issue election for me. Crypto. Who supports it? Who does not? Voting my pocket book because both candidates are completely lame in my eyes.
JD Vance proposes to bring "cultural heroin" into the White House. He said it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/15/jd-vance-trump-criticism/
Elvis 2008
07-16-24, 13:52
What a historical week! First Biden self-destructs by revealing the true state of his dementia in the debate and then this assassination attempt on President Trump. It is over boys and girls. Trump is going to be the next President. Get used to it.It is funny that it took this for half the Democratic douches to say, "Ok, we have gone too far". Without the prosecution of many of the nonviolent J6 protestors, jailing Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro, and the endless trials of Trump, we would not have been pointing fingers at Dems and chastising them for their rhetoric, but it finally took this to get through to at least half of them.
Expert after expert has been trotted out and has questioned the SS detail and some have gone so far as to say it is an inside job. After listening to a news report on the head of the SS, that is not even out of the realm of possibility. Was this SS incompetence or a literal conspiracy?
But it is funny that the Dems are on the defensive. Locking up your political opponents, printing ballots with one name on them, and now rejecting that name of Biden has shown everyone what party has truly been anti-Democratic.
Matt Taibbi and veteran reporter Walter Kern had a field day with what the Dem higher ups were contemplating a four round American Idol show where delegates vote for the candidates after they perform. The events would be hosted by Barrack Obama and Bill Clinton and no, I am not making this up. It was actually proposed.
That Trump ran a campaign where he had to beat talented political opponents like Desantis and Nikki Haley is pro-Democracy. He earned the Republican nomination whereas the elites gave it to Biden and now want to take it away because his polling numbers are so bad. Biden is your nominee guys. You are stuck with him. To do otherwise would be undemocratic.
The casino odds went as high as 75% for Trump winning. Biden was like at 16%. Kamala Harris was at 8%, and the field was at 1%. If there ever were worse odds for an incumbent president, I cannot imagine it. Of course, Trump could slip up, but so far, he has run a damned near flawless campaign.
But the left has been praying for a Trump assassination: https://nypost.com/2024/07/14/us-news/lefties-celebrate-trump-rally-shooting-with-tasteless-posts-on-social-media/.
And some still are. Cane's post that Trump brought it upon himself was vile. Spidy is only upset because the shooter missed.
But winning is the easy part. The economy is if not in recession damned close to it. And somehow Trump is going to have to deport a huge percentage of the people Biden let in. Then there is negotiating peace in Ukraine and holding Israel to a point where they cannot just go killing anyone they want.
And then we have the domestic bullshit like this DEI crap. Look at this article: https://www.wired.com/story/right-wing-conspiracy-dei-secret-service-women-blame-trump-shooting/.
I guess the point of it is to outrage women, but I am so sick of watching movies where women kick the men's ass when we all know that would rarely happen in real life. I don't care what color the skin is of the person but unless you have six foot five intimidating as fuck women who know how to handle firearms right then there should not be women protecting the president. DEI means you do not take the best person for the job, and Trump is going to have to undo this bullshit too.
The clusterfucks that were Biden's debate performance and this shooting is not news to those of us who follow politics but it is to everyone else. To us, it is the ribbon on top of an administration whose only goal was to control a narrative. And when that narrative blew up and was shown to be a lie, they all pointed fingers and ran for cover. Thing is Trump used to talk like a child but he acts like an adult. With this Biden administration, the opposite is true. Right now, they are pushing Biden out to do his speaking and he is constantly putting his foot in his mouth. Yes, we are going to settle our differences at the Battle box. Yeesh.
This administration does not know what the fuck they are doing.
JD Vance proposes to bring "cultural heroin" into the White House. He said it:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/15/jd-vance-trump-criticism/In 2016, Trump needed more than anything to bamboozle the dumb sucker Repub hillbilly evangelicals in order to squeak out an Electoral College appointment despite losing The Vote my millions and millions.
Hence, Pence.
This time around, he just needs to be surrounded by the most astonishing liars and con men on the planet to tell his dumb sucker cult followers whatever it takes to con them again and even more than before no matter how polar opposite from what they said just a few years ago.
Enter Vance, possibly the most astonishing liar of them all. As impossible as it might be to believe, he is perhaps an even more astonishing liar and con man than Donald J. Trump himself.
Wasn't Joe supposed to be the unifier president? Anyway, I started the current round of back and forth with a let's cut back on the hate rhetoric. It was nothing that heavy really, just a version of "can't we try to get a long," KKK, but I know that ain't going to happen. So, we locked horns. I said what I wanted to say, you said what you wanted to say, and nothing was achieved, so I am going back to what interests me on the ISG: namely talking about girls, girls & more girls! But make no mistake, I am not conceding the argument. In fact, I think you lost the argument with the 1st sentence in your opening salvo this morning. The Trump deserved it comment was way, way out there and you should know better. I. E. You can't expect to have any kind of civil debate after you throw a hand grenade like that into the discussion two days after an attempted assassination. As Biden always says, "Come on, Man!" How would you have responded to a similar comment if it had been Biden at the wrong end of an assassin's rifle?
P.S. I read and like your posts in the Brazil forum too, so what the fuck! Fighting over politics is total BS. Vote for whomever you like, once, and let the best man, Trump, win.You can't unify those like Marjorie Taylor Greene who don't want to be unified. It doesn't matter what you say or do. They aren't interested. So don't try to put it all on Biden. Same with Obama. Right wingers didn't give a shit and wouldn't try to work with him. It takes two to tango. And I also concede nothing, and I did not lose. One of the basic principles of life that I believe in is that one gets back what they put in. Most people I know, regardless of their politics, at least say they believe in that basic principle. Are you saying it isn't true? Trump spewed hate, he caused division, and he incited violence. If that's what you do, then guess what? One day it's going to come right back on you! Some way. Somehow. And to Trump it did. I'm talking about karma. What goes around comes around. You reap what you sow! And yes, it's best to be civil, and who can argue about reports traveling all around the world fucking pretty girls up the butt? Wait a minute, wait a minute! Some guys don't like anal! Sigh! I give up!
Axel Heyst
07-16-24, 17:27
This is an interesting diddy and kind of pertinent to the current discussion:
"Frontman Jack Black has canceled what remains of Tenacious Dd's sold-out Australian tour and put the future of the comedy band in doubt after his bandmate said he hoped that whoever tries to murder Donald Trump "next time" doesn't "miss. ".
About 24 hours after an assassin missed blowing the former president's brains out by a centimeter or two, Tenacious Dd took to the stage in Sydney, Australia. During the Sunday performance, co-frontman Black and the crowd sang "Happy Birthday" to guitarist Kyle Gass. Black then asked Gass to make a birthday wish. Gass put the microphone to his face and said, "Don't miss Trump next time. ".
Black, naturally, like all violent-loving Hollywoodists, is a major Joe Biden supporter.
The fallout from the Gass comments was swift and deserved.
On Monday, Australian federal senator Ralph Babet called for Tenacious Dd to be deported. "There is no place in Australia for those who wish for the assassination of others," Babet wrote on Xwitter. " <snip "Anything less than a deportation is an endorsement of the shooting and the attempted assassination of Donald J. Trump. ".
"Anyway, at first Tenacious Dd's next performance was merely postponed. ".
"Frontier Touring regret to advise that Tenacious Dd's concert tonight at Newcastle Entertainment Centre has been postponed," reads a statement from the promoter. "Ticket holders are asked to hold onto their tickets until further information is available. ".
But.
On Tuesday, Black released a social media statement announcing the cancellation of the entire tour and that the creative future of the band was on hold.
"I was blindsided by what was at the show Sunday," wrote Black on Instagram. "I would never condone hate speech or encourage political violence in any form. ".
"Then came the bombshell":
"After much reflection, I no longer feel it is appropriate to continue the Tenacious Dd tour, and all future creative plans are on hold. I am grateful to the fans for their support and understanding. ".
"As a free speech extremist, it is easy to draw the line at. Violence. Gass encouraged violence. Period. He might have couched it as a joke, but he's making it cool, making it okay to wish a man dead a husband, father, grandfather, and former president.
There's a reason why it's illegal to wish for the death of a USA President. It incites and provokes. Yes, comedians and Tenacious Dd is a comedy act deserve the widest berth, and I am on record defending countless left-wing comedians. But again, wishing violence on someone, especially a former president and the current front-runner to be our next president, crosses the free speech line.
Does that mean Tenacious Dd should be blacklisted, should be wished into the cornfield?
No.
Everyone deserves a second chance, including Black, who did the right thing here.
Nevertheless, wishing for murder is encouraging murder, and that's an easy and moral and speech line to draw. ".
If this keeps up, Elon Musk and Marjorie Taylor Greene, the true King and Queen powers behind the Republican Party, might think about canceling the next couple of days and put Trump back into gag order hiding.
The day finished with Trump behind Biden in the 538 Favored To Win Consensus of Polls by 275 Electoral College Votes for Biden vs 263 for Trump, Biden having 53 Chances of Winning the Election out of 100 vs Trump's 47 in their credible polling mix and Biden 2. 5 points ahead of Trump in the Popular Vote:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/
YES, getting shot at while campaigning, as unfortunate as these events are, often do very little or nothing for the presumptive candidate's campaign.
Sure maybe you'll see a 1-point bump in the polls, here or there (as already noted in a previous post), that amounts to nothing more than a quick flash in the pan. To suggest otherwise, as some here would have you believe (that the election is a foregone conclusion), is pure election folly.
Take look at Teddy Roosevelt and George Wallace, who faced similar situations and still LOST. A Trump LOSS, after an attempted shooting should be no different.
American voters, will not forget, the J6 insurrection, coup, treachery, the violent mob sacking the White House, the overturning of Roe v. Wade, the abortion and IVF bans, the first convicted president with 34-felony counts of fraud and election interference, from a pussy-grabbing presidential disaster that is Trump. No sane American person wants another 4-years, of that "do nothing, no nothing" presidential disaster!
Nobody wants to watch Trump, break his already established, WORST president in US History record! NOBODY!
President Biden, with strong socio-economic records and policies, paired with his strength and excellent standing as an incumbent president (the 14th best ever in history), is what voters will remember at the ballot-box for the WIN!
Elvis 2008
07-17-24, 00:20
Ross is easily thee most talented writer by light years at the NYT
Ok I know that's a very very low bar but nonetheless.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/15/opinion/donald-trump-assassination-destiny.html
"He just turned an attempted assassination into a Renaissance painting of bloodied defiance.".
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2024/07/14/rep-bennie-thompson-field-director-no-longer-employed-after-cheering-trump-shooting/
https://highlandcountypress.com/opinions/secret-service-scuffle-prompts-dei-vetting-scrutiny#gsc. Tab=0.MDS, your mailbox is full.
Elvis 2008
07-17-24, 00:21
It is a one issue election for me. Crypto. Who supports it? Who does not? Voting my pocket book because both candidates are completely lame in my eyes.Trump and JD Vance are pro-crypto. Biden has not made a statement on it, but given how he has beefed up the IRS, my bet is he will do anything to increase government revenues.
Elvis 2008
07-17-24, 00:27
Do you really think that I believe it's "fake news"? Again, read what I wrote. This is not a game. This is not a joke! No, I was mocking the right for the kind of bullshit it spews when it doesn't like the news. Just dismiss it by calling it "fake news". It can't possibly be true because we don't like it.This not a good time to bring that fake news shit up. MSNBC and CNN both said Trump fell to the ground at a rally a la Slow Joe Biden instead of reporting he got shot in the ear and ducked for cover. Thing is Twitter did a million times better job of reporting the news than the lame stream media.
Shit, MSNBC even kept that idiot Morning Joe off the air the day after because they were certain he was going to say something stupid. And then you had those racist, sexist pigs at the view saying the shooter was a white male like that had anything to do with anything.
Elvis 2008
07-17-24, 02:05
Yes, a high crime rate is also factored into what makes these typically Repub Trump Red states the worst places to live and work in the USA:
These are America's 10 worst states for quality of life in 2024.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/13/10-states-worst-quality-of-life-america.html?__source=androidappshare
I'll spare you the suspense.
With #1 being the Worst State to Live and Work In:
1. Texas.
2. Indiana.
3. Alabama.
4. Oklahoma.
5. Arkansas.
6. Tennessee.
7. Missouri.
8. Louisiana.
9. Kansas.
10. Arizona.I forgot to respond to this because this shit was high comedy. From the article, Some 220,000 educated workers moved there in 2022 alone, according to the Census Bureau. So how could we possibly score Texas at the bottom for Quality of Life?
Oh, I don't know. You just do the same Democratic douche thing and call people stupid I guess.
According to The Commonwealth Fund, Texas leads the nation by far in residents without health insurance, and a staggering 19% of all people with a credit score in Texas have medical debt that has gone to collections.
LOL. And why does that have anything to do with the state? Can you not get insurance if you want it? Translation: Texas spends less time and energy on diverting wealth from one family to another for health care insurance.
Texas is another state with no public accommodation law barring discrimination against non-disabled people; it has passed a barrage of laws targeting the LGBTQ+ community; and its abortion ban is the strictest in the nation.
And how many people moving to Texas care about any of these things? I love the notion that "reproductive rights" is code for pro-abortion. Somebody better tell MSDNC that not 100% of the world thinks getting an easy abortion is a right. Some see that as a plus. And there is another boner:
Also, if any of those new Texas residents lose their jobs, state unemployment benefits cover less than 10% of the average cost of living, according to Oxfam America.
LOL. And here we go again. Texas has an issue because people are not paid when they are not working. Texas has no income tax and because it is a right to work state jobs are plentiful, and that is the reason people come to Texas. There is that and it is a hellluva more affordable than most of the nation.
This is such a fucking stupid article because the reason most people move is because of their job and hopes for a higher quality of life, and people who move to Texas generally say that is the case. Sure, there are issues, but I think the funniest part is the bullshit being pedaled that everything has to be done by law and government. Texans are usually pretty generous and a lot of goodwill and charity is done at the church level, but if you were to read this stupid article, that kind of goodwill does not count.
But people can be pretty generous when you do not tax the shit out of them.
But I agree with this. All the people who read this kind of bullshit should not move to Texas. We do not want you.
Trump and JD Vance are pro-crypto.Fuck both of those racist punk ass bitches
Biden has not made a statement on it, Biden has made a clear statement on it though the actions of his administration during his term.
but given how he has beefed up the IRS, my bet is he will do anything to increase government revenues.It is not about taxes for me it is about a legitimate approach to the regulation of crypto in the USA.
Trump is not pro crypto he he pro himself and pro votes. He has come around to the idea late. He has endorsed Bitcoin (BTC) not the crypto space in its entirety.
Learn what you are talking about before you go toe to toe with me about crypto. I keep my face in my screens 8 - 10 a day following crypto events.
Although I believe your heart was in the right place. I think both candidates are fucked. They are too old. I hate that the United States of America have come to this when there are so many of my fellow citizens that are capable, between the age of 40 - 60, and would make WAY better Presidents from either party and even independents.
My support is for the candidate that will remove the current SEC chairman who is clearly anti-crypto. The only reason you are seeing any kind of acceptance of crypto in the USA is because Larry Fink changed his mind and decided he could not stand not owning EVERYTHING in the world and decided he was pro bitcoin. What Larry Fink wants, Larry Fink gets!
This not a good time to bring that fake news shit up.Introducing the all-new My Ear Pillow! Inspired by the man himself for the sympathy vote. Perfect for when you need to muffle the sound of the truth and soak up those delusional dreams in comfort and style. Embrace the madness with My Ear Pillow, because blocking out reality never looked so good!
Oh. Day two shows Trump declining even more vs Biden in the 538 Consensus Poll site's Chances of Winning (53 out of 100 for Biden vs 46 for Trump), the Electoral College Vote projection (277 for Biden vs 261 for Trump) and the Popular Vote (Biden extended his lead in that to 2. 7 points).
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/
It appears the RNC candidate, performance and the messaging just isn't working to give them a boost from either the Presidential Debate Quiz Show, Biden's 30 minute no notes interview on ABC, Biden's 1 hour no notes post- NATO Summit press conference, the terrible Repub Shooter's assassination attempt on Repub Donald Trump, Biden's no notes interview with Lester Holt, this ongoing multi-day RNC Lie Fest or all of the above.
Oh well. Tomorrow is another day.
Perhaps that new "less violent rhetoric" RNC speech Trump is busy day and night working on where, no doubt, he will apologize deeply and own up to inciting, encouraging and happily consenting to and supporting violence, attacks and assassinations galore on his political enemies, election workers, judges, juries etc for every day of the past 3 1/2 years that he has been asserting his Big Lie about Biden stealing the 2020 election and his begging Joe Biden and the American people for their forgiveness will do the trick.
Character
Do you really think that I believe it's "fake news"? Again, read what I wrote. This is not a game. This is not a joke! No, I was mocking the right for the kind of bullshit it spews when it doesn't like the news. Just dismiss it by calling it "fake news". It can't possibly be true because we don't like it. If you're so narrow-minded and tied up in your own political bent that you couldn't see what I was doing and think I believe this is about some fake news, then that tells me all I need to know about your own character.
You raise an interesting point, w/r to "character". I mean, the last several days, have been very disturbing, as to why Repubs are celebrating yet another violent crime, a shooting of one of their own supporters and then bombastically conflating it with some kinda electoral win, really shows what kind of immoral characters the party has become.
As Trump, the House Speaker, and Repubs (at the RNC) try to now use this moment as a rallying cry, to somehow suggest that Trump's shooting is, "the moment" for America to come together, only reeks of desperation and is repugnant to those REAL victims and American families, of gun violence.
So let me get this straight...the Las Vegas shooting (60 dead), Pulse nightclub (FL) shooting (49 dead), Virginia Tech shooting (32 dead), Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting (26 dead children), and none of these brutal mass shootings, are moments for American to come together, but the Trump shooting (1 dead)...is "the moment"???
The notion or suggestion, that the Trump shooting was, "the moment, for Americans to come together", is just some fucked-up, sadistic, warped campaign idea of an RNC 'softer side'? PLEASE spare me the sanctimonious bullshit!
While some people here, try to insinuate otherwise, I think, the Dems are happy to see, that Biden's predecessor, will now be able to stand trial for the rest of his crimes. Naturally after losing at the ballot box in Nov 2024.
And let's be real for a moment, shall we? As unfortunate as this was (and it has been articulated, "a making of his own, now come home to roost"), this is not the first time, America has seen, presidential candidates that have been shot or shot at, while campaigning and have gone on to LOSE the bid for the presidency.
But what was vile, vulgar, appalling and a question of moral character, was how shameful, Elvis 2008 and Repubs here, were truly relishing and celebrating, Trump being shot at. Reminded me of another disgusting right-wing individual, when it comes to (mass) shootings, in one hateful disinformationist, Alex Jones.
This low-life preys on the death of children and the grief stricken families, for ratings, clicks and money. Calling the Sandy Hook shooting, "fake", what sick individual does that? And yet very little to NO objection from the right. I wonder if Alex Jones, is calling "fake" on this shooting? 'Cause if he did he'd be probably closer to the truth, than all his other phony "fake" outrages combined!
BTW, Elvis 2008's celebrating the Trump shooting, also made me think, that perhaps want they really wanted, was "martyrdom"? Think about it, for a sec!
I mean, the celebratory fan-fare, seemed to suggest, what better way to avoid a 2nd embarrassing LOSS to Biden, than to have their "Lord and Savoir", go out in a blaze of bullets, guts and glory, as the ultimate political "martyr" and sacrifice. Hmmmm...
Celebratory Repubs aside, it's nice to know he'll be able to stand trial. But let's face it folks, nobody wants another 4-years of that lying hot mess, called Trump. NOBODY!
I forgot to respond to this because this shit was high comedy. From the article, Some 220,000 educated workers moved there in 2022 alone, according to the Census Bureau. So how could we possibly score Texas at the bottom for Quality of Life?
Oh, I don't know. You just do the same Democratic douche thing and call people stupid I guess.
According to The Commonwealth Fund, Texas leads the nation by far in residents without health insurance, and a staggering 19% of all people with a credit score in Texas have medical debt that has gone to collections.
LOL. And why does that have anything to do with the state? Can you not get insurance if you want it? Translation: Texas spends less time and energy on diverting wealth from one family to another for health care insurance.
Texas is another state with no public accommodation law barring discrimination against non-disabled people; it has passed a barrage of laws targeting the LGBTQ+ community; and its abortion ban is the strictest in the nation.
And how many people moving to Texas care about any of these things? I love the notion that "reproductive rights" is code for pro-abortion. Somebody better tell MSDNC that not 100% of the world thinks getting an easy abortion is a right. Some see that as a plus. And there is another boner:
Also, if any of those new Texas residents lose their jobs, state unemployment benefits cover less than 10% of the average cost of living, according to Oxfam America.
LOL. And here we go again. Texas has an issue because people are not paid when they are not working. Texas has no income tax and because it is a right to work state jobs are plentiful, and that is the reason people come to Texas. There is that and it is a hellluva more affordable than most of the nation.
This is such a fucking stupid article because the reason most people move is because of their job and hopes for a higher quality of life, and people who move to Texas generally say that is the case. Sure, there are issues, but I think the funniest part is the bullshit being pedaled that everything has to be done by law and government. Texans are usually pretty generous and a lot of goodwill and charity is done at the church level, but if you were to read this stupid article, that kind of goodwill does not count.
But people can be pretty generous when you do not tax the shit out of them.
But I agree with this. All the people who read this kind of bullshit should not move to Texas. We do not want you.Well, perhaps the 220,000 people who could not cut it in other states and had to move to Texas in 2022 alone are a big reason why it is such a miserable place to live and work. You know, "the neighborhood. ".
After all, according to your next point there seems to be a lot of sick deadbeats living there who can't or won't pay their medical bills, maybe can't even get an insurance company to return their calls anymore. Ugh!
The Texans I know are always bellyaching about how intolerably hot it is, cold it is, one disastrous and deadly hurricane or, if they're lucky, tropical storm after another, power outages every time they turn around.
Yet they keep voting for Repubs and whining about Dems. Who the hell would want to live in such a place and among people like that? Damn.
Oh. Day two shows Trump declining even more vs Biden in the 538 Consensus Poll site's Chances of Winning (53 out of 100 for Biden vs 46 for Trump), the Electoral College Vote projection (277 for Biden vs 261 for Trump) and the Popular Vote (Biden extended his lead in that to 2. 7 points).
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/
It appears the RNC candidate, performance and the messaging just isn't working to give them a boost from either the Presidential Debate Quiz Show, Biden's 30 minute no notes interview on ABC, Biden's 1 hour no notes post- NATO Summit press conference, the terrible Repub Shooter's assassination attempt on Repub Donald Trump, Biden's no notes interview with Lester Holt, this ongoing multi-day RNC Lie Fest or all of the above.
Oh well. Tomorrow is another day.
Perhaps that new "less violent rhetoric" RNC speech Trump is busy day and night working on where, no doubt, he will apologize deeply and own up to inciting, encouraging and happily consenting to and supporting violence, attacks and assassinations galore on his political enemies, election workers, judges, juries etc for every day of the past 3 1/2 years that he has been asserting his Big Lie about Biden stealing the 2020 election and his begging Joe Biden and the American people for their forgiveness will do the trick.There has been another update on the above 538 site for tonight.
Biden's Chances of Winning have increased to 54 out of 100 vs Trump's 46 and his Electoral College Vote projection improved to 278 vs 260 for Trump.
Just passing it along to anyone into this whole polls thingy. Which seems to be everyone in the Media, the Repub Party and for sure the Dem Party lately.
Axel Heyst
07-17-24, 16:42
"The USA Secret Service failed. That Donald Trump is alive today is only a result of sheer luck — a bullet that missed by less than an inch, a head tilt at the right split second. But make no mistake, the fact that an aspiring assassin was able to get to an elevated position within an easy shot of the former president and leading candidate to be the next president is a stunning failure of an agency whose primary mission is to protect the president.
Let us also not forget that in addition to a bullet grazing Trump's ear, there were multiple casualties — Corey Comperatore, a firefighter who died heroically shielding his family from bullets, and two others who were seriously injured.
In the aftermath of the shocking event on Saturday, many questions have been raised about the response. Why didn't the counter-sniper team take out the shooter before he fired a shot? Why didn't they respond more quickly as spectators frantically drew police attention to the suspicious man crawling on the roof? Why did they let Trump continue speaking once this threat was identified? Why didn't they whisk him away sooner in case there was a second assassin?
More on.
SECRET SERVICE.
Secret Service Director Suggests Roof Used by Shooter Was Too Dangerous for Agents to Stand On.
Shocking Trump-Rally Failure Highlights Secret Service Recruiting Issues, Diversity Distractions.
Sheriff Confirms Local Cop Encountered Would-Be Trump Assassin on Rooftop before Shooting.
These are all fair questions, but each one of them can be answered by some variation of explaining a breakdown in communication or imperfect responses in real time. The one question that was most perplexing from the day of the shooting was, how did the Secret Service allow a would-be assassin to get so close to the president, just 150 yards away — a shot that wouldn't be too difficult for anybody with basic training in looking through the scope of a rifle and pulling a trigger? Why wasn't somebody posted on the roof when that could have been arranged in advance?
At first, some of the explanations that came out were that the Secret Service had outsourced to local police the responsibility for securing the locations outside the gates where the crowd was let in — in other words, the area outside the heavily secured area. And there were questions about whether a lack of resources was the issue and the team was spread too thin to post somebody on the roof.
But on Monday, it emerged that in fact multiple law-enforcement officers were inside the building at the time of the shooting. Meaning there wasn't a shortage of personnel — they just were not posted on the roof.
Then, in an interview with ABC News that aired Tuesday, Kimberly Cheatle, the director of the Secret Service, made an extraordinary revelation.
"That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point," Cheatle said. "And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside. "
This makes no sense, on multiple levels. For one, the would-be assassin (a slight-looking 20-year-old with no evidence of any sort of combat training) managed to scale the building and get off multiple shots at Trump. Secondarily, the counter-sniper who ultimately took out the shooter was posted on a sloped roof.
There is simply no excuse for a stunning failure that, but for a stroke of luck or act of God, would have ended up with Trump's death, and all of the political and social turmoil that would have come with it.
Despite this incredible dereliction of duty, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas declared, "I have 100 percent confidence" in Cheatle.
As for Cheatle herself, she tried to act accountable in her ABC interview, claiming, "The buck stops with me. " But if those words are to have any meaning, there is only one move that she can make. Kimberly Cheatle must resign immediately and be replaced by somebody who can do the job competently. ".
And Donald So Loved America that he Gave Up a Life of Leisure and was Villified, Attacked and Shot in the Head but by the Grace of God Survived-- so All Americans could Live in a Fair and Just Society.
https://media1.tenor.co/m/61WONxPxU28AAAAC/donald-trump-assassination-attempt.gif?t=AAYdc34ch1UFCBiLTgaDUQ&c=VjFfZmFjZWJvb2s
Axel Heyst
07-17-24, 19:27
Adam Schiff Calls on Biden to Drop Out: 'I Have Serious Concerns'.
HAHAHA!.
Too Many Dems are Calling for him to leave NOW! -- This article he starts his posturing for a quick exit;.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13644485/biden-reason-drop-presidential-race-democrats.html
And Donald So Loved America that he Gave Up a Life of Leisure and was Villified, Attacked and Shot in the Head but by the Grace of God Survived-- so All Americans could Live in a Fair and Just Society.
https://media1.tenor.co/m/61WONxPxU28AAAAC/donald-trump-assassination-attempt.gif?t=AAYdc34ch1UFCBiLTgaDUQ&c=VjFfZmFjZWJvb2sWood you can pull your nose out of his ass, he already made his choice for Vice-President.
Scumbag Joe looks worse then ever-- I think if he does not step down he will croak in the next couple weeks Or croak either way- We won't know if it was natural or if the CIA done it.
In any case at least he shall burn in hell-.
Too Many Dems are Calling for him to leave NOW! -- This article he starts his posturing for a quick exit;.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13644485/biden-reason-drop-presidential-race-democrats.htmlBe careful what you ask for. Because you just might get it! Harris is polling ahead of Chump!
Scumbag Joe looks worse then ever-- I think if he does not step down he will croak in the next couple weeks Or croak either way- We won't know if it was natural or if the CIA done it.
In any case at least he shall burn in hell-.Not to break up this classic Mainstream Media celebration of what a "Lucky Winner" the Repub candidate is vs the "Hapless Loser" Dem candidate is by bringing up something no MSM outlet has dared to even consider for a nanosecond, but:
What if God whispers to Donald Trump that he too shall have Trump's Pandemic Covid again?
That fat old fuck is still fat and old and the last time I heard got hit with his Pandemic's Covid a lot worse and more seriously than it hit Joe.
Perish the thought, of course. And while everyone is so focused on one presidential candidate out there exposing himself to all the new variations of Trump's Pandemic Covid, it seems to me there are 2 presidential candidates out there exposing themselves to it.
Just sayin'.
"The USA Secret Service failed.Your entire post is bullshit!
He is not the president. So he does not get protected like one. If you have a problem with that, I suggest that you contact the elected representative of your area. The set the budgets.
Easy for a man of unknown background in the security services to Monday morning quarterback.
Not much has changed on the 538 Consensus Poll Site since last night except that Michigan has now moved from Toss-Up to Lean Dem / Biden:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/
Otherwise, Biden is still notably ahead of Trump on their Chances of Winning status (53 out of 100 vs 47 for Trump) and with a comfortable lead in the Electoral College Vote projection (276 vs 262 for Trump) and the Popular Vote (2. 5 point lead in that for Biden).
I am so looking forward to Trump's "less violent rhetoric" speech tonight where he apologizes profusely for putting so many cops, election workers and elected officials at deadly risk of attack, maiming, murder and assassination with the constant repetition of his Big Lie about Biden stealing the 2020 election, his near daily praising as "patriots" of the blood-thirsty numbskulls who fell for his horse shit and acted on it, as they did with Trump's Declaration of War Against America waged on American soil on January 6, 2021 and for almost every day of the past 3 1/2 years.
The country really needs to start healing from the historic damage he did to it.
Hey-- EihTooms are you here with your friends? https://www.youtubetrimmer.com/view/?v=UjxODR9747E&start=1102&end=1297&loop=0.
Original Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjxODR9747E&t=1468s.
Biden needs to step down right now! He's too old to serve another year, let alone four. If he's the candidate, then unbelievably we're going to lose to the worst ex-President in American history! A pundit on TV said it best. Donald Chump over the last three weeks has been the luckiest criminal defendant ever!
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6358420403112
Way to go, Donny-boy. I see your infamous Midas Touch In Reverse for business and USA Household Wealth is still fully functional even when you are only pissing on the USA Constitution from the campaign trail.
Nasdaq Slides as Chip Stocks Sell Off
Nvidia, TSMC and other semiconductor heavyweights fall.
July 17, 2024
Trump's Taiwan Comments Fuel TSMC Selloff.
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-sp500-nasdaq-live-earnings-07-17-2024/card/trump-s-taiwan-comments-fuel-tsmc-stock-selloff-jCO4IsuWjpYQdRD7jKUt
And the stock market is definitely not liking all this buzz about a potential 2nd Trump term:
Nasdaq falls for a second day as tech exit continues, Dow loses 400 points.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/17/stock-market-today-live-updates.html?__source=androidappshare
This shift away from tech came to a head on Wednesday, when the Nasdaq tumbled 2.8% in its worst day since December 2022. Wednesday also marked the first session since 2001 where the Nasdaq posted a loss exceeding 2.5%, while the blue-chip Dow registered a gain.
But Thursdays sell-off appeared broader than tech alone. All but one of the 11 sectors that comprise the S&P 500 traded lower, while more than two out of every three Dow members also headed for losses. Even the small-cap focused Russell 2000, which has run up amid expectations for forthcoming interest rate cuts, dropped close to 2%.
Oh, there was another update before bedtime
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/
There has been another update on the above 538 site for tonight.
Biden's Chances of Winning have increased to 54 out of 100 vs Trump's 46 and his Electoral College Vote projection improved to 278 vs 260 for Trump.
Just passing it along to anyone into this whole polls thingy. Which seems to be everyone in the Media, the Repub Party and for sure the Dem Party lately.
Yet another great update! Please keep them coming!!!
While Repubs, are flexing again in MSM (where they do most of "their winning"...kkkk!), for yet another "red wave", your updates suggest otherwise, with just another "pink trickle" at the ballot-box.
And for those who haven't figured it out yet...elections are WON at the BALLOT-BOX!
FUN FACT: Repubs, have NEVER won the popular vote at the ballot-box, in 20 years and ONLY ONCE in 36 years.
Elvis 2008
07-18-24, 21:19
"The USA Secret Service failed. That Donald Trump is alive today is only a result of sheer luck a bullet that missed by less than an inch, a head tilt at the right split second. But make no mistake, the fact that an aspiring assassin was able to get to an elevated position within an easy shot of the former president and leading candidate to be the next president is a stunning failure of an agency whose primary mission is to protect the president.
Let us also not forget that in addition to a bullet grazing Trump's ear, there were multiple casualties Corey Comperatore, a firefighter who died heroically shielding his family from bullets, and two others who were seriously injured.
In the aftermath of the shocking event on Saturday, many questions have been raised about the response. Why didn't the counter-sniper team take out the shooter before he fired a shot? Why didn't they respond more quickly as spectators frantically drew police attention to the suspicious man crawling on the roof? Why did they let Trump continue speaking once this threat was identified? Why didn't they whisk him away sooner in case there was a second assassin?
More on.
SECRET SERVICE.
Secret Service Director Suggests Roof Used by Shooter Was Too Dangerous for Agents to Stand On.
Shocking Trump-Rally Failure Highlights Secret Service Recruiting Issues, Diversity Distractions.
Sheriff Confirms Local Cop Encountered Would-Be Trump Assassin on Rooftop before Shooting.
These are all fair questions, but each one of them can be answered by some variation of explaining a breakdown in communication or imperfect responses in real time. The one question that was most perplexing from the day of the shooting was, how did the Secret Service allow a would-be assassin to get so close to the president, just 150 yards away a shot that wouldn't be too difficult for anybody with basic training in looking through the scope of a rifle and pulling a trigger? Why wasn't somebody posted on the roof when that could have been arranged in advance?
At first, some of the explanations that came out were that the Secret Service had outsourced to local police the responsibility for securing the locations outside the gates where the crowd was let in in other words, the area outside the heavily secured area. And there were questions about whether a lack of resources was the issue and the team was spread too thin to post somebody on the roof.
But on Monday, it emerged that in fact multiple law-enforcement officers were inside the building at the time of the shooting. Meaning there wasn't a shortage of personnel they just were not posted on the roof.
Then, in an interview with ABC News that aired Tuesday, Kimberly Cheatle, the director of the Secret Service, made an extraordinary revelation.
"That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point," Cheatle said. "And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside. "
This makes no sense, on multiple levels. For one, the would-be assassin (a slight-looking 20-year-old with no evidence of any sort of combat training) managed to scale the building and get off multiple shots at Trump. Secondarily, the counter-sniper who ultimately took out the shooter was posted on a sloped roof.
There is simply no excuse for a stunning failure that, but for a stroke of luck or act of God, would have ended up with Trump's death, and all of the political and social turmoil that would have come with it.
Despite this incredible dereliction of duty, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas declared, "I have 100 percent confidence" in Cheatle.
As for Cheatle herself, she tried to act accountable in her ABC interview, claiming, "The buck stops with me. " But if those words are to have any meaning, there is only one move that she can make. Kimberly Cheatle must resign immediately and be replaced by somebody who can do the job competently. ".Yeah, it is getting worse and worse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=439Ub1JFJD4.
I think these Dems permitted the shittiest SS crew in of all time. Apparently, the A team was guarding Dr. Jill. Can you imagine what would have happened if the shooter got Trump? We would be in a fucking civil war. This is gross negligence, and Biden or whoever the fuck is running things is putting up with this shit. But these Democratic douches are not going to fire anyone because deep down they wanted this to happen.
Scumbag Joe looks worse then ever-- I think if he does not step down he will croak in the next couple weeks Or croak either way- We won't know if it was natural or if the CIA done it.
In any case at least he shall burn in hell-.Well -- so now the CIA won't be sprinkling Pixie Death dust on Biden's toothbrush-- But I still think he will croak and go to hell in the next month or so.
MarquisdeSade1
07-19-24, 00:37
In philosophy there's a problem called theodicy. If God is omnipotent, omniscient and good, why does he allow evil in the world? The toned-down political version of this is simple: If God is omnipotent, omniscient and good, why is he doing everything he can to re-elect Donald Trump?
It's remarkable. First, he inspired President Biden to overstimulate the economy, leading to inflation and discrediting the Biden domestic policy in the eyes of many voters. Then he inspired Democrats to run the televised Jan. 6 hearings, which was a noble civic responsibility but a political distraction. That's not what key swing voters are most concerned about. Then Trump's main primary rival, Ron DeSantis, turned out to be a total stiff. Then prosecutors started indicting Trump, guaranteeing that he would win the Republican nomination. Then there was the avoidance of tragedy in Butler, Pa.
Then there was this week. This is the happiest, most united and most confident Republican convention I've ever been to. Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is imploding. Next week, we'll may very well learn that Trump is going to face Kamala Harris in the general election. The swing states are mostly in the Upper Midwest, and Trump will probably be running against a progressive from San Francisco.
The ways of the Lord are truly mysterious.
Of course human beings may have played a role. At his blog Marginal Revolution, the economist Tyler Cowen lists a number of reasons for the rightward shift in the political climate since 2020. The most crucial, I'the say, are these: The Trumpian right has been more intellectually creative than the progressive left. The Trump message resonates better with today's deeply pessimistic culture. The deindustrialization of America has had decades-long social effects. People don't want to be ruled by the intellectual class, whether under Barack Obama or Biden. What we call woke-ism is really unpopular. The Biden age cover-up damages Democratic credibility and undermines the party's claims of moral superiority (INFERIORITY).
Of course Trump himself may have played a role in his success. Over the past year he has performed acts of showmanship that were remarkably effective, even for him. He turned a mug shot into a propaganda win and an assassination attempt into an iconic image of defiance. But here are a few things that I, at least, did not expect from Trump. He chose two veteran campaign managers in Susie Wiles and Chris LaCivita and he's doing what they tell him to do. He's leading a campaign operation that is far more disciplined and professional than his White House was.
He has mostly shut up and lain low as the Democratic campaign falls apart. He has suppressed his bellicose, nasty nature and smiled benignly as his daughter-in-law and granddaughter portray him as a kindly grandpa.
Most important, he has shifted the entire governing philosophy of the Republican Party. His campaign aggressively controlled the platform, moving it in a populist direction. The campaign softened the party's abortion stance, which I would have thought impossible. Trump also made the right vice-presidential pick. Business types like Doug Burgum and Glenn Youngkin would have undercut his populist message while putting people to sleep.
Many of the delegates I have spoken to once cheered lustily for the free-market gospel of Mitt Romney and the aggressive internationalism of John McCain. On Wednesday night they were won over by J. The. Vance, who ripped into both those worldviews. The delegates are still not completely where Trump is. On Monday night, the Teamster boss Sean O'Brien addressed the convention, lashing out at corporate greed. Afterward I was walking down the stairs to exit the arena when I overheard a delegate complaining: "Couldn't he have mentioned small business at least once?" This is still somewhat a business owner's party.
In retrospect the last decade has been a race between rival populisms — the left-wing kind personified by Bernie Sanders and the right-wing kind, personified by Trump and Vance. The right-wing kind has won.
Even for those of us who detest the man, it's kind of impressive. We've learned, probably too late, not to underestimate Trump.
In philosophy there's a problem called theodicy. If God is omnipotent, omniscient and good, why does he allow evil in the world? The toned-down political version of this is simple: If God is omnipotent, omniscient and good, why is he doing everything he can to re-elect Donald Trump?
It's remarkable.
............
Even for those of us who detest the man, it's kind of impressive. We've learned, probably too late, not to underestimate Trump."probably too late".
LOL. What do you suppose Repub Brooks means by that? What does he think the dire consequences are of underestimating Trump's craftiness in improving his poll numbers until it is now "probably too late" to avert?
I thought Repubs like Brooks were supposed to be relieved that Trump's poll numbers are looking ok. But, no. "probably too late".
Too late to avert what?
I think you will find what he is referring to in his opening paragraph.
And in case you missed that clear and unambiguous message, here is another one from your beloved NYT:
HE IS DANGEROUS IN WORD, DEED AND ACTION.
HE PUTS SELF BEFORE COUNTRY.
HE LOATHES THE LAWS WE LIVE BY.
DONALD TRUMP IS UNFIT TO LEAD
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/07/11/opinion/editorials/donald-trump-2024-unfit.html#site-content.
That never would have happened if Biden had been there instead of Trump. Because snipers fear and respect Biden but not Trump.
Yeah, it is getting worse and worse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=439Ub1JFJD4.
I think these Dems permitted the shittiest SS crew in of all time. Apparently, the A team was guarding Dr. Jill. Can you imagine what would have happened if the shooter got Trump? We would be in a fucking civil war. This is gross negligence, and Biden or whoever the fuck is running things is putting up with this shit. But these Democratic douches are not going to fire anyone because deep down they wanted this to happen.If Trump can't even keep himself and his cult followers safe at a little podunk farm town rally, how can anyone expect him to keep America safe from Iran?
BTW, in Trump's utterly loony, rambling, incoherent, nonsensical, Gish gallop lie fest on steroids, lackluster, tired, feeble, droning, boring Convention speech, he said he could "stop wars with a telephone call".
Why didn't he make that magical telephone call to stop the GW Bush War in Afghanistan for the entire 4 years, all 1460 days, of his miserable presidency?
Why didn't he bother to make that telephone call for 3+ hours to stop the Trump War Against America on American Soil, the NEW War he started as so-called president, being waged on his orders on January 6, 2021?
Did he misplace his phone all that time?
Despite Trump getting the typical "convention bounce", which, as is explained in the 538 Consensus Poll site, is generally temporary and partially reflects only who is responding to polls rather than actual electorate voting intentions, Biden has remained ahead of Trump in the Chances of Winning status, the Electoral College Votes projection (enough for Biden to win right now) and the Popular Vote:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/
As usual, the contest is fluid and nobody is "kicking" anyone's ass. The Dem Convention will be interesting.
Meanwhile, the USA Stock Market did not respond well to all the "Rah Rah Trump and the Repubs" anti-business, economy-damaging, anti-America, anti-democracy Repub MAGA Lie Festivities going on this week:
Dow drops more than 100 points, S&P 500 heads for worst week in 3 months
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/18/stock-market-today-live-updates.html?__source=androidappshare
Be careful what you ask for. Because you just might get it! Harris is polling ahead of Chump!Let's Go Kamala!! So funny how people posting here are not in reality.
Let's Go Kamala!! So funny how people posting here are not in reality.You mean like that "107% of the new jobs are taken by Immigrants"?
Or that "Immigrants are killing hundreds of thousands of our citizens"? (That would mean Immigrants have committed every homicide in America for the past 9-10 years).
Or that "We had the greatest economy of all time, the greatest in the world before the China virus! Now we are in the worst economy! Biden is worse than the ten Worst President's in history"? (Aside from all known data proving Trump's 3 pre Trump's Pandemic years were below average compared with the 11 most recent presidents' economies and much, much worse than that considering he racked up record high deficits just to achieve "below average" numbers and Biden's economy outshines his and every other Repub in history, considering Trump is himself The Worst President in History, it is as mathematically impossible in reality for Biden to be worse than any group that includes Trump in it as it is to take "107%" of anything.).
And, oh, so much more.
And as I have not heard any meaningful push back in Mainstream Media on the blissfully easy to debunk outrageous lies about the economy under Trump vs Biden, we just hear them saying "Oh, that was the usual Trump rally speech. Nothing to see hear. Nothing to say about it. His base loved it", the great professor Allan Lichtman has finally come to the conclusion about typically pro Repub Mainstream Media's "Bothsiderism" serving no other purpose but to help disaster-prone Repubs win elections that I fully understood and have been observing at least since 1982:
https://youtu.be/S-hZeRQxA0g?si=3f_3OxdQLhAwLTVH
RamDavidson84
07-20-24, 09:55
Not much has changed on the 538 Consensus Poll Site since last night except that Michigan has now moved from Toss-Up to Lean Dem / Biden:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/
Otherwise, Biden is still notably ahead of Trump on their Chances of Winning status (53 out of 100 vs 47 for Trump) and with a comfortable lead in the Electoral College Vote projection (276 vs 262 for Trump) and the Popular Vote (2. 5 point lead in that for Biden).
I am so looking forward to Trump's "less violent rhetoric" speech tonight where he apologizes profusely for putting so many cops, election workers and elected officials at deadly risk of attack, maiming, murder and assassination with the constant repetition of his Big Lie about Biden stealing the 2020 election, his near daily praising as "patriots" of the blood-thirsty numbskulls who fell for his horse shit and acted on it, as they did with Trump's Declaration of War Against America waged on American soil on January 6, 2021 and for almost every day of the past 3 1/2 years.
The country really needs to start healing from the historic damage he did to it.You really thought Trump would or should apologize LOL? Its one thing to support a Democratic candidate and agenda and I understand that. As long as Biden has a pulse, there will be people around him to run the country. I get that. But after Trump is shot, to think that he would or should apologize for him being shot at the RNC is the dumbest and one of the most inflammatory things I have ever read. To still be posting lies like "Trump declared War against America" on Jan. 6, after he has been shot, is foul, despicable, and wreaks of desperation. It is despicable to lie like that after his attempted assassination. People who lie like that and think it is ok to publicly state things like that on an open forum are without morals or any code of honor. In my eyes, they are not human, but something less and I am saddened my nation produced such individuals. I am saddened we live in a society where an adult has become so twisted, he could write such non-sense after the attempted assassination of a Presidential candidate.
I pray for you as an American that you develop some sense of right and wrong which transcends your politics.
You really thought Trump would or should apologize LOL? Its one thing to support a Democratic candidate and agenda and I understand that. As long as Biden has a pulse, there will be people around him to run the country. I get that. But after Trump is shot, to think that he would or should apologize for him being shot at the RNC is the dumbest and one of the most inflammatory things I have ever read. To still be posting lies like "Trump declared War against America" on Jan. 6, after he has been shot, is foul, despicable, and wreaks of desperation. It is despicable to lie like that after his attempted assassination. People who lie like that and think it is ok to publicly state things like that on an open forum are without morals or any code of honor. In my eyes, they are not human, but something less and I am saddened my nation produced such individuals. I am saddened we live in a society where an adult has become so twisted, he could write such non-sense after the attempted assassination of a Presidential candidate.
I pray for you as an American that you develop some sense of right and wrong which transcends your politics.You saw something in my post that, to you, had me expecting Trump to apologize "for being shot"? Please quote the exact passage where you thought I said that.
Uh. No. I said that IF he really meant the now known to be total bullshit he tried to peddle that his RNC speech was being rewritten to be "less violent" in rhetoric, then he should apologize to Joe Biden and the rest of the American people for inciting the assassination of, oh, his VP Mike Pence, Nancy Pelosi, MittWitt Romney, several other elected officials as well as deadly threats to several election workers, judges, juries, etc by way of his BIG LIE that Biden stole the 2020 election from him. A BIG LIE that he has not only repeated almost daily for the past 3 1/2 years but repeated AGAIN in his rambling, nonsensical, lie-filled, Loony rant at the RNC.
Oh, and to apologize for praising and glorifying the blood-thirsty wannabe assassins as "patriots" and "hostages" in his War Against America on American Soil that he declared and sent to battle on Capitol Hill.
I said nothing about him apologizing for getting shot at himself.
But, of course, it would have been a bonus pro American gesture on his part if Trump had also apologized for defunding and removing the Early Warning / Pandemic Prevention teams from those Chinese labs in 2018 and 2019 contrary to expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid and thereby leaving America and the rest of the world bare-ass naked to Preventing his Pandemic from developing in the first place. I mean, considering that Trump economic and national security decision led directly to the deaths of a Million Americans, millions more people around the world, massive global economic destruction and virtually every digit of inflation that followed.
But his apologizing for his "violent rhetoric" in LYING about the 2020 election being stolen from him for several years was the most I was hoping for with his supposedly "softened" speech to bring "unity" to America at the RNC.
None of which happened. Maybe there was a glitch with the teleprompter.
Axel Heyst
07-21-24, 00:50
The Level of Bias in this post is Hysterical Ram, this is only the latest example of balderdash from our learned left wing propagandist. But talking about hysterical, here is a video of his mentor's greatest hit. I am sure you will remember this clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ung95ORVUY.
Elvis 2008
07-21-24, 04:47
Despite Trump getting the typical "convention bounce", which, as is explained in the 538 Consensus Poll site, is generally temporary and partially reflects only who is responding to polls rather than actual electorate voting intentions, Biden has remained ahead of Trump in the Chances of Winning status, the Electoral College Votes projection (enough for Biden to win right now) and the Popular Vote:
As usual, the contest is fluid and nobody is "kicking" anyone's ass. The Dem Convention will be interesting.Loony Tooms, do you have some business where you are afraid you lose money if Republicans win? Is there at least some rationale as to why you are this crazy? Why do you have to post this mental masturbation versus anything factual?
In your fucked up world, how is it that you only attribute the fact that Trump is kicking Biden's ass to me? How does it not register with you when I show you the objective casino odds? Do you not believe those numbers are right? How do you blow off all the Democrats calling for Biden withdrawing and are left with me?
In fact, this was the results from your link, Trump wins 51 times out of 100 in our simulations of the 2024 presidential election. Biden wins 48 times out of 100.
Now the casino odds have varied but no one is giving Biden 48% odds. They have been in the 8 to 20% range since the debate. I said that 67% odds of Trump winning were about right. That does not mean Biden has 33% odds of winning though. I think Biden is more out than in. At this point, I think he is negotiating a golden parachute in the hundreds of millions if not billions to quit. If Trump now is at 67% and Biden is at 10%, the last 23% goes to the field.
The Democratic donors seem to be dominating things right now and are clueless as to the American Idol / Survivor show they are going to put on to pick a candidate. If at any time the whole notion of just Biden on the primary ballot was nauseating to the average voter, this show will be. The message sent to the Democratic voter is you are too stupid to know who is best. We tell you and you will vote accordingly. That message is going to IMO going to be more of a negative than any positive any candidate could bring, and a number of Democrats will sit at home.
I said 67% was right with Trump due to the unknowns. Trump could have a scandal or health issue. In fact, assassination is one of the things that was predicted and almost came true. So things can change, and it is the unknown that puts a Trump victory in the 60 to 70% range, but if the election was fair and was Trump v. Biden tomorrow, I think the odds should be 99% to Trump.
And if you look at the CNN projections, Trump wins even without Arizona, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB4vgAClHEk, you can start that clip at the 2 minute mark.
So hell yeah, Trump is kicking Biden's ass and it is getting worse by the day. Why do you think all the Democrats are freaking out? I just cannot even imagine what kind of bullshit lie you are telling yourself at this point.
Elvis 2008
07-21-24, 04:59
Was the emotional. Trump was always the rational choice. Oh, Trump can inspire, but be honest, has there been anytime you have felt warmth with Trump? I remember when Rush Limbaugh said GW Bush won when he went on the Oprah Winfrey show and cried about this twins. He connected with women, and that has been an issue with Trump. He has not connected emotionally well with women.
Well, credit the Trump women for this one. I did not see this speech and wish I had. Here is Trump's seventeen year old Grand daughter Kai giving a speech that is emotional gold. After I saw this, I was like Trump has this thing won.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB4vgAClHEk
The speech starts at the 2:05 mark.
Loony Tooms, do you have some business where you are afraid you lose money if Republicans win? Is there at least some rationale as to why you are this crazy? Why do you have to post this mental masturbation versus anything factual?
In your fucked up world, how is it that you only attribute the fact that Trump is kicking Biden's ass to me? How does it not register with you when I show you the objective casino odds? Do you not believe those numbers are right? How do you blow off all the Democrats calling for Biden withdrawing and are left with me?
In fact, this was the results from your link, Trump wins 51 times out of 100 in our simulations of the 2024 presidential election. Biden wins 48 times out of 100.
Now the casino odds have varied but no one is giving Biden 48% odds. They have been in the 8 to 20% range since the debate. I said that 67% odds of Trump winning were about right. That does not mean Biden has 33% odds of winning though. I think Biden is more out than in. At this point, I think he is negotiating a golden parachute in the hundreds of millions if not billions to quit. If Trump now is at 67% and Biden is at 10%, the last 23% goes to the field.
The Democratic donors seem to be dominating things right now and are clueless as to the American Idol / Survivor show they are going to put on to pick a candidate. If at any time the whole notion of just Biden on the primary ballot was nauseating to the average voter, this show will be. The message sent to the Democratic voter is you are too stupid to know who is best. We tell you and you will vote accordingly. That message is going to IMO going to be more of a negative than any positive any candidate could bring, and a number of Democrats will sit at home.
I said 67% was right with Trump due to the unknowns. Trump could have a scandal or health issue. In fact, assassination is one of the things that was predicted and almost came true. So things can change, and it is the unknown that puts a Trump victory in the 60 to 70% range, but if the election was fair and was Trump v. Biden tomorrow, I think the odds should be 99% to Trump.
And if you look at the CNN projections, Trump wins even without Arizona, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB4vgAClHEk, you can start that clip at the 2 minute mark.
So hell yeah, Trump is kicking Biden's ass and it is getting worse by the day. Why do you think all the Democrats are freaking out? I just cannot even imagine what kind of bullshit lie you are telling yourself at this point.Yes, the business I have that risks exactly what you cited is called "America".
That is why I vote only for the Party whose policies and stewardship have produced every historic economic recovery, expansion, jobs creation and stock market gains of the past 100 years, including this current one under Biden, and none of the historic Great Depressions, Great Recessions, Massive Jobs Destruction and Stock Market Crashes.
That would be the Democratic Party.
And that is why I never vote for the Party whose policies and stewardship has produced every Great Depression, Great Recession, Massive Jobs Destruction and Stock Market Crash of the past 100 years, including the most recent ones under Trump, and none of the historic Economic Recoveries, Expansions, Jobs Creation and Stock Market Gains.
That would be the Republican Party.
Indeed, I am fiercely partisan in favor of historic economic gains for America vs historic "Once in 100 Years Disasters", Great Depressions and Great Recessions that, no wild coincidence whatsoever, have only happened under Repub so-called presidents and never under Dem presidents.
Loony Tooms, do you have some business where you are afraid you lose money if Republicans win? Is there at least some rationale as to why you are this crazy? Why do you have to post this mental masturbation versus anything factual?
In your fucked up world, how is it that you only attribute the fact that Trump is kicking Biden's ass to me? How does it not register with you when I show you the objective casino odds? Do you not believe those numbers are right? How do you blow off all the Democrats calling for Biden withdrawing and are left with me?
In fact, this was the results from your link, Trump wins 51 times out of 100 in our simulations of the 2024 presidential election. Biden wins 48 times out of 100.
Now the casino odds have varied but no one is giving Biden 48% odds. They have been in the 8 to 20% range since the debate. I said that 67% odds of Trump winning were about right. That does not mean Biden has 33% odds of winning though. I think Biden is more out than in. At this point, I think he is negotiating a golden parachute in the hundreds of millions if not billions to quit. If Trump now is at 67% and Biden is at 10%, the last 23% goes to the field.
The Democratic donors seem to be dominating things right now and are clueless as to the American Idol / Survivor show they are going to put on to pick a candidate. If at any time the whole notion of just Biden on the primary ballot was nauseating to the average voter, this show will be. The message sent to the Democratic voter is you are too stupid to know who is best. We tell you and you will vote accordingly. That message is going to IMO going to be more of a negative than any positive any candidate could bring, and a number of Democrats will sit at home.
I said 67% was right with Trump due to the unknowns. Trump could have a scandal or health issue. In fact, assassination is one of the things that was predicted and almost came true. So things can change, and it is the unknown that puts a Trump victory in the 60 to 70% range, but if the election was fair and was Trump v. Biden tomorrow, I think the odds should be 99% to Trump.
And if you look at the CNN projections, Trump wins even without Arizona, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB4vgAClHEk, you can start that clip at the 2 minute mark.
So hell yeah, Trump is kicking Biden's ass and it is getting worse by the day. Why do you think all the Democrats are freaking out? I just cannot even imagine what kind of bullshit lie you are telling yourself at this point."In fact, this was the results from your link, Trump wins 51 times out of 100 in our simulations of the 2024 presidential election. Biden wins 48 times out of 100. ".
Yes, that is the "convention bounce" I mentioned. Biden was ahead of Trump by a wider gap than that just 2-3 days ago and still ahead of him yesterday when I submitted that link to post.
As I also said, it is a very fluid contest and within a normal +/-MoE even as Trump is enjoying his greatest moments vs Biden's worst moments.
That is why nobody is kicking anybody's ass in this no matter what the casino bets are lately. LOL.
You're impressed that at the highest, most potentially positive point in Trump's run he is only 2-3 points ahead of Biden (on a Convention Bounce) while Biden is experiencing his lowest point in the run AND out of commission due to Trump's Pandemic virus Covid?
Uh. Ok.
Axel Heyst
07-21-24, 14:34
Was the emotional. Trump was always the rational choice. Oh, Trump can inspire, but be honest, has there been anytime you have felt warmth with Trump? I remember when Rush Limbaugh said GW Bush won when he went on the Oprah Winfrey show and cried about this twins. He connected with women, and that has been an issue with Trump. He has not connected emotionally well with women.
Well, credit the Trump women for this one. I did not see this speech and wish I had. Here is Trump's seventeen year old Grand daughter Kai giving a speech that is emotional gold. After I saw this, I was like Trump has this thing won.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB4vgAClHEk
Elvis, you make a good point. I missed most of the granddaughter's speech, but what I saw was a very attractive young girl showing her love and affection to her famous grandfather. What is wrong with that? Well, apparently there was something wrong it because it scares the bejeebies out of the left-wing fanatics. Here is one infamous headline: "Whoopi Goldberg Smears Trump's Teenage Granddaughter as a Prop Used to 'Humanize' Him: 'Don't Fall for It'. ".
So why are the woke fascists on the View such intolerant a-holes? I can't say for sure, but I assume it has something to do with holding on to power and receiving the big salaries Disney pays their professional haters.
"probably too late".
LOL. What do you suppose Repub Brooks means by that? What does he think the dire consequences are of underestimating Trump's craftiness in improving his poll numbers until it is now "probably too late" to avert?
I thought Repubs like Brooks were supposed to be relieved that Trump's poll numbers are looking ok. But, no. "probably too late".
Too late to avert what?
I think you will find what he is referring to in his opening paragraph.
And in case you missed that clear and unambiguous message, here is another one from your beloved NYT:
HE IS DANGEROUS IN WORD, DEED AND ACTION.
HE PUTS SELF BEFORE COUNTRY.
HE LOATHES THE LAWS WE LIVE BY.
DONALD TRUMP IS UNFIT TO LEAD
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/07/11/opinion/editorials/donald-trump-2024-unfit.html#site-content.
Would that be the same "Trump craftiness", we saw on display in the staged J6 coup and insurrection? If so, I will say, it crossed my mind, but never thought he'd play that political "trump wild card".
Again, if this "devil's work" OR "Trump's craftiness", (according to this NYT writer), is involved, in the same vein of the staged J6 coup, then IMHO, w/r to "Trump's craftiness", I will say, "...Nicely played Trump, nicely played...Indeed!" (...kkkk!)
Although, might the investigation unearth this "craftiness"? Or Trump SS Loyalists?
Axel Heyst
07-21-24, 19:21
Here is the headline from the Wall Street Journal: "Biden Is Dropping Out of Presidential Race. The President ends his campaign for second term amid Democratic concerns over his age and abilities".
I predicted it, but I still can hardly believe it. We live in the most extraordinary times. You can't make this stuff up. I don't know about you guys, but I am looking forward to Chicago. I still remember '68. Who can ever forget it?
Now we will see if, as Dems insisted, somebody else telling the truth about America-hating Trump will suddenly mean more coming from another voice:
https://x.com/joebiden/status/1815080881981190320/photo/1
This was the status on the 538 Consensus Poll site's projections right up to roughly 1 hour before Biden pulled out of the race.
Trump's "Convention Bounce" had him sitting at 2 points above Biden on the Chances of Winning (51 out of 100 vs 49 for Biden), 271 Electoral College Votes vs 267 for Biden and with Biden 2 points ahead of Trump in the Popular Vote (see screenshots below):
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/
My Vice President is Black and my next President too!You might be right!
Well, apart from President Joe Biden, taking down Trump, women seem to be the only other opposition that have been able to break "crafty" Trump!
And with nobody saying anything on ABORTION (the elephant in the room) at the RNC, and Trump was literally "mum's the word" on the subject, because naturally he was too busy talking about himself, perhaps Veep K.H., will be that friendly reminder, why I think, the women's vote and women, may yet again take down Trump.
PS: Well I'll miss Joe Biden and the Trump beatdown he'd have given. But a beatdown, from Veep K.H., will be twice as rewarding, coming from a woman, if she's the nominee.
Thanks Again Joe!
Wow the Trump campaign wasn't just anticipating Kamala — they were fully prepared to respond.
So True! https://x.com/i/status/1815105740643987512.
Who's too old to be President now? Hmm? Who's too old? Donald Trump's crusty, dusty ass is the one who's too old to be President now! Aaaahahaha! There will be no repeat of 1968. The Dems will get behind one candidate and whup your MAGA maggot asses! The money is already flowing back in like a tsunami! Yeah!
You might be right!
Well, apart from President Joe Biden, taking down Trump, women seem to be the only other opposition that have been able to break "crafty" Trump!
And with nobody saying anything on ABORTION (the elephant in the room) at the RNC, and Trump was literally "mum's the word" on the subject, because naturally he was too busy talking about himself, perhaps Veep K.H., will be that friendly reminder, why I think, the women's vote and women, may yet again take down Trump.I hope Biden is planning to resign and make Harris the President but only waiting long enough for her to vet and choose a VP. Then she can run as a true incumbent.
How can we let a BrainDead Scumbag Remain in as the President?? There Needs to be hearings on how the Biden admin Covered up Brain dead Joe's condition for 4+ Years!!
RamDavidson84
07-21-24, 21:25
My Vice President is Black and my next President too!Trump more ganster than Harris and Obama combined. Harris also 50% Indian.
Multiple baby mamas and shameless affairs.
Loud mouth braggadocious behavior combined with extravagant style.
Multiple felony arrests.
Declared bankruptcy.
Hush money scandal.
Pussy grabber.
Steel eyed mugshot.
Shot in the face.
Doesn't pay taxes.
Loves guns.
LOL I Joke, don't take offense.
Elvis 2008
07-21-24, 22:28
Here is one infamous headline: "Whoopi Goldberg Smears Trump's Teenage Granddaughter as a Prop Used to 'Humanize' Him: 'Don't Fall for It'. ".
So why are the woke fascists on the View such intolerant a-holes? I can't say for sure, but I assume it has something to do with holding on to power and receiving the big salaries Disney pays their professional haters.Yeah, I was like Fall for what Whoopi? This does not fit your image of him as an inhuman asshole so ignore it? Sorry, this is someone expressing who Trump is in a way he has trouble expressing himself. He puts himself up as a larger than life character, and this granddaughter made himself seem vulnerable, caring, and human.
And that is the thing people do not see about him. Beneath all the bluster, the guy has a good heart. He does want people to be the best they can be. Don't buy it? Sorry, but I do and always have.
Elvis 2008
07-21-24, 22:29
Now we will see if, as Dems insisted, somebody else telling the truth about America-hating Trump will suddenly mean more coming from another voice:
https://x.com/joebiden/status/1815080881981190320/photo/1And here we go with the never mind Democrats. Tooms, I thought Biden was kicking Trump's ass in your polls. Why the switch?
It is amazing how Biden got so old after just one debate. It is amazing there were no clues before then. / sarc.
Elvis 2008
07-21-24, 22:39
You might be right!
Well, apart from President Joe Biden, taking down Trump, women seem to be the only other opposition that have been able to break "crafty" Trump!
And with nobody saying anything on (the elephant in the room) at the RNC, and Trump was literally "mum's the word" on the subject, because naturally he was too busy talking about himself, perhaps Veep K.H., will be that friendly reminder, why I think, the women's vote and women, may yet again take down Trump.Yes, by all means, let us not forget about the thousands of women Kamala jailed for smoking pot while admitting to smoking it herself. In fact, she was so inspiring to women, she got less than 1% of the Democratic vote in primaries and not one delegate. I do not think she is a shoo in to win the nomination. While the Clintons endorse her, the Obamas do not. All she does well is suck dick and kiss ass. I never thought of Obama as a DEI candidate, but that is all Kamala has going for her.
Well I'll miss Joe Biden and the Trump beatdown he'd have given.Yeah, nothing says beatdown more than quitting. Biden is a putz. I hope we learn how much he got paid off to step down. Hell, Elon Musk tweeted he was told to the minute when Biden was going to step down. Biden was a fucking parasite. That he is all he ever was and all he ever would be.
You might be right!
Well, apart from President Joe Biden, taking down Trump, women seem to be the only other opposition that have been able to break "crafty" Trump!
And with nobody saying anything on ABORTION (the elephant in the room) at the RNC, and Trump was literally "mum's the word" on the subject, because naturally he was too busy talking about himself, perhaps Veep K.H., will be that friendly reminder, why I think, the women's vote and women, may yet again take down Trump.
PS: Well I'll miss Joe Biden and the Trump beatdown he'd have given. But a beatdown, from Veep K.H., will be twice as rewarding, coming from a woman, if she's the nominee.
Thanks Again Joe!Who are going to vote for Kamala?
1. Democrats.
2. Left-leaning independents.
3. Other independents and maybe 1% of Republicans who realize what a disaster the second Trump's coming could become.
Who won't vote for Kamala?
1. 99% of Republicans.
2. Centrists and right-leaning independents who might not like Trump, but who're looking for a charisma in their candidate -- Kamala has none.
I'm afraid the Electoral College system might favor the second group. It would be like Hillary V. 2.
And of course, there are folks who'll stay home due to the lack of enthusiasm for either candidate.
Someone once said that FDR would've never become president if television was widely available at the time because Americans wouldn't have voted for a man in a wheelchair.
Kamala is like a man in a wheelchair. She's practically invisible, and her voice tends to tremble sometimes when she's nervous. Hillary at least didn't have these predicaments.
Elvis 2008
07-21-24, 22:59
Here is the headline from the Wall Street Journal: "Biden Is Dropping Out of Presidential Race. The President ends his campaign for second term amid Democratic concerns over his age and abilities".
I predicted it, but I still can hardly believe it. We live in the most extraordinary times. You can't make this stuff up. I don't know about you guys, but I am looking forward to Chicago. I still remember '68. Who can ever forget it?This will be a game like Survivor or American Idol, and it will be fun to watch. Thing is while it will be entertaining, I am not sure Americans are going to like this way of picking a president. Kamala Harris will be the favorite until she has to talk. She already had a phone call where she hung up on rich donors. Not good.
Newsome has only won in California, and I was shocked to see the skeletons in his closet. I have never seen a candidate like Newsome where someone like Adam Corolla goes out on a limb to bash so strongly. He looks the part, but in his case, his looks are deceiving.
Thing about Hiliary is the more people see her talk, the more hated she is, and she was falling on her face back in 2016. Can you imagine what kind of scrutiny she would get now?
Michelle Obama is not interested, and I think people buy the fantasy that she would be Obama the second when even she admits it would not be.
The dark horse, and a guy not mentioned until recently, is Governor Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania. The way the electoral map is shaping up, the Democrats ABSOLUTELY need PA, and this guy is popular in his home state, and I cannot find any dirt on him. He is Jewish, but that did not stop the love sent to Bernie Sanders by the Bernie bros, and that would mean he would be loved by the Wall Street guys and Hollywood elite.
The only chance a guy like Shapiro has is at an open convention, and he would inject youth and new blood into the Democratic party which it desperately needs. I heard a clip of him speaking, and I was like, "Okay, this guy seems likable and not entirely crazy. " If he comes across like I saw and there are no skeletons in his closet, he could give Trump a run for his money.
On the other hand, if the Dems are dumb enough to pick Kamala, then Trump wins in a mega land slide.
MarquisdeSade1
07-22-24, 00:07
Here is the headline from the Wall Street Journal: "Biden Is Dropping Out of Presidential Race. The President ends his campaign for second term amid Democratic concerns over his age and abilities".
I predicted it, but I still can hardly believe it. We live in the most extraordinary times. You can't make this stuff up. I don't know about you guys, but I am looking forward to Chicago. I still remember '68. Who can ever forget it?The oligarchs will rig it don't worry a bit Democratic voters in 50 states and now a handful will replace him.
They rigged the 2008 against a 3rd term for Bubba in favor of Barry Hussein.
They rigged the primaries against Bernie in 2016.
They rigged the general election for a 3rd term for Bubba in 2016 and still came up short.
They rigged the Democrat primaries in 2020 again.
They rigged the general election in 2020 for Scumbag Joe.
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
They just knifed Scumbag Joe in the back.
Rest assured they have a plan for whom the nominee will be.
Elvis 2008
07-22-24, 03:01
Well I'll miss Joe Biden and the Trump beatdown he'd have given.Yeah, he quit instead. How noble! And why did he quit again if he was going to give Trump such a beat down?
Shit, the only strategy you [Deleted by Admin] had was this lawfare campaign to distract from the fact that Biden was so old. And now this assassination attempt, while not a conspiracy to shoot Trump, was at this point purposeful negligence. Biden was such a shit candidate that his administration was perfectly happy to see assassins fire away at Trump or RFK Jr. That is how fucked in the head they were.
As for women, soy boy, you do not seem to get that women prefer male leaders over female ones. Yes, studies show that to be true, and here is an example of that in real life https://twitter.com/Rich_Cooper/status/1815057012222259458
If this assassination attempt happened on my watch, and I saw how incompetent the job was done, I quit. The job is way too important and I would admit that I failed. Instead, we got a woman saying, "Well, the roof the assassin was on was titled and someone might have hurt themself. " This crazy * does not get it is the SS agency's job to take a bullet for a president. Then we get her boss saying he had full confidence in her? Uh, why? And then there is this nonsense about her wanting more women in SS. So her agenda is power and not excellence. On the other hand, Trump is fucking shot, and his first instinct is to say fight for the cause. Not his health. The cause.
Men take a more macro view and care that the system is fair. Women are out for themselves. Trump says he would have preferred not to run again, but things were so screwed up he had to. Okay, maybe you do not believe that, but Trump had power and money before becoming president. There is a case to be made he is doing this for his country and for his kids and grandkids.
And with Kamala? LOL. If there is any reason outside of power and money, you need to have your head examined. Kamala has been about Kamala. Always has been and always will be. You are deluding yourself if you think women are not going to see through her bullshit.
In fact, the whole Biden thing reminds me of so many women who are just so upset at how they feel, and they need to make a change and cannot imagine how things could be worse, and they make a change and things get far worse.
You Democratic [Deleted by Admin]
MarquisdeSade1
07-22-24, 03:31
The oligarchs will rig it don't worry a bit Democratic voters in 50 states and now a handful will replace him.
They rigged the 2008 against a 3rd term for Bubba in favor of Barry Hussein.
They rigged the primaries against Bernie in 2016.
They rigged the general election for a 3rd term for Bubba in 2016 and still came up short.
They rigged the Democrat primaries in 2020 again.
They rigged the general election in 2020 for Scumbag Joe.
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
They just knifed Scumbag Joe in the back.
Rest assured they have a plan for whom the nominee will be.And the DNC has the temerity to call Our Lord and Savior a threat to Democracy WOWWWWWW.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20161026-how-liars-create-the-illusion-of-truth
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-on-the-quot-big-lie-quot
This is the M. O. Of the DNC and Bangkok Bob.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/07/19/wall-street-donors-neocons-seethe-over-populist-jd-vance-being-trumps-vp/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/20/business/wall-street-republicans-trump-jd-vance.html
Is taking Scumbag Joe out "the last arrow in their quiver" because if this doesn't stop Our Lord and Savior.
Their last option might be to rig it again like 2020, but they then risk Civil War 2. 0.
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
MarquisdeSade1
07-22-24, 03:36
Trump more ganster than Harris and Obama combined. Harris also 50% Indian.
Multiple baby mamas and shameless affairs.
Loud mouth braggadocious behavior combined with extravagant style.
Multiple felony arrests.
Declared bankruptcy.
Hush money scandal.
Pussy grabber.
Steel eyed mugshot..Why ruin the post by qualifying it as a joke?
Trump more ganster than Harris and Obama combined. Harris also 50% Indian.
Multiple baby mamas and shameless affairs.
Loud mouth braggadocious behavior combined with extravagant style.
Multiple felony arrests.
Declared bankruptcy.
Hush money scandal.
Pussy grabber.
Steel eyed mugshot.
Shot in the face.
Doesn't pay taxes.
Loves guns.
LOL I Joke, don't take offense.Brother, you have me ROTFLMAO! !with this.
How can we let a BrainDead Scumbag Remain in as the President?? There Needs to be hearings on how the Biden admin Covered up Brain dead Joe's condition for 4+ Years!!Because, despite Biden's stuttering issue and the two brain aneurysms in the late 1980's that now in old age manifests itself with motor skill problems in his speech and on his body and gait, nothing is wrong with his Cognitive Acuity, his ability to fully comprehend what he is hearing, reading and to make presidential decisions accordingly.
There was never any "cover up" in that regard.
And even if totally flat-lined, his being a Dem means he will continue to be a better president with better results than any Repub ever, especially Trump.
I do think he should resign and make Harris president so she can run as a true incumbrnt.
However, a big, big problem with doing that is I believe she will then need at least some Repub votes in Congress to get her VP choice approved. And that means they will obstruct and delay on and on, leaving it to, yep, you guessed it, ChristoFacist Mike to be #1 next in line for the Oval Office. Lolol. Yes, Biden is smart and Cognitively Competent enough to know that about the Repub Party, too.
That issue is avoided if she merely names her VP choice and gets the required 2/3 delegate votes at the convention. Preferably on the first ballot.
MarquisdeSade1
07-22-24, 05:51
Yes, by all means, let us not forget about the thousands of women Kamala jailed for smoking pot while admitting to smoking it herself. In fact, she was so inspiring to women, she got less than 1% of the Democratic vote in primaries and not one delegate. I do not think she is a shoo in to win the nomination. While the Clintons endorse her, the Obamas do not. All she does well is suck dick and kiss ass. I never thought of Obama as a DEI candidate, but that is all Kamala has going for her.
Yeah, nothing says beatdown more than quitting. Biden is a putz. I hope we learn how much he got paid off to step down. Hell, Elon Musk tweeted he was told to the minute when Biden was going to step down. Biden was a fucking parasite. That he is all he ever was and all he ever would be.I never thought of Obama as a DEI candidate lololol I live in Chicago if Barry wasn't a DEI token nobody is, he was an unemployable "community organizer" in the hood LOL.
He hadn't done anything before the best DEI gig around and true to form hasn't done anything since.
Josh Shapiro? LOL he's in the wrong party with a last name like that, as is Ill Gov Pritzker I wish them both lots of luck because they're going to need it LMAO.
And here we go with the never mind Democrats. Tooms, I thought Biden was kicking Trump's ass in your polls. Why the switch?
It is amazing how Biden got so old after just one debate. It is amazing there were no clues before then. / sarc.Only now am I hearing NBC's polling guru Steve Kornacki breaking his silence and ranks with the rest of typically pro Repub Mainstream Media by pointing out that "Gee, after spinning everything "wonderful" for Trump and "terrible" for Biden, the polls have simply not gone sour for Biden. Trump is still only 2 points ahead of Biden at thr national level, 47 to 45, and well within a normal +/-MoE in the battleground states that matter. And, ya' know, it is so early. There was plenty of time for those poll numbers to flip before election. Not that poll numbers matter very much to an election outcome anyway. ".
Of course, this line of messaging only comes now that MSM has terrified Dem donors and voters enough for them to make hysterical calls to their state and local representative, begging them to say something even more terrifying to drag Biden's poll numbers down further. Which wasn't really happening anyway.
Lolol. Typical pro Repub MSM doing what it does best.
The oligarchs will rig it don't worry a bit Democratic voters in 50 states and now a handful will replace him.
They rigged the 2008 against a 3rd term for Bubba in favor of Barry Hussein.
They rigged the primaries against Bernie in 2016.
They rigged the general election for a 3rd term for Bubba in 2016 and still came up short.
They rigged the Democrat primaries in 2020 again.
They rigged the general election in 2020 for Scumbag Joe.
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
They just knifed Scumbag Joe in the back.
Rest assured they have a plan for whom the nominee will be.Your beloved Bernie launching a long term primary challenge against Clinton contributed as much to Trump squeaking out an additional 78,000 votes sprinkled among 2-3 battleground states as Repub Comey's October Surprise and Russia's unprecedented collusion with Team Trump to interfere and influence the election.
Consequently, despite Trump being handed much better economic and national security conditions from the out-going Obama-Biden Administration than any incoming Dem administration was ever handed by an out-going Repub Administration (or, for that matter, much better than an out-going Repub Administration ever handed an in-coming REPUB Administraion, as in Coolidge to Hoover and Reagan to Bush1), Repub Trump still managed to produce a Repub MAGA Winger Perfect World of results in just 4 short years:
- Trillions added to the deficit with virtually nothing meaningful to show for it except producing 1 million fewer jobs in those first 3 below average economy years pre Trump's Pandemic than in the previous 3 Obama-Biden years without it.
- But the corporate elite and wealthiest did get wealthier.
-A failed trade war with China that drove the USA Manufacturing and Agriculture industries into a Recession so severe Trump had to issue emergency welfare checks just to keep them afloat.
- Two Bear Market Crashes.
- Laying the necessary groundwork for, embracing, exacerbating and deepening with his botched handling of it and lies, the historic Trump's Pandemic.
- At least a million American deaths, millions more deaths around the world, millions upon millions of jobs wiped out, double-digit unemployment rates, long term business and school closures, global supply-chain collapse, the Inflation, skyrocketing costs for rent, housing, food and gas that followed.
- Keeping America fully and directly involved in boots-on-the-ground combat in the War in Afghanistan for every day of his presidency.
- Declaring and charging into battle enlisted domestic terrorists for his NEW Repub War Against America, on American Soil, on January 6, 2021.
- Inciting his violent mob of "patriots" (his term for them) to atrack and kill cops, assassinate his VP for not joining him in violating his Oath of Office, destroying the Constitution, overturning a free and fair election and overthrowing American democracy and attempting to assassinate other elected officials, including the Speaker of the House.
- At least two giant spikes in the crime rate and border crossings.
- A bonus post-Administration accomplishment for Trump being his order to his Repub lackies in Congress to abandon the toughest bi-partisan Comprehensive Immigration Reform legislation ever produced, apparently simply because he wanted as many potential terrorists, rapists and murderers to continue crossing the border to make him look and feel better.
- A counterproductive sea change for the worse in International travel and mongering due to his creating and mishandling Trump's Pandemic that might continue for decades.
Seriously. Aren't you satisfied with what Bernie Sanders' challenge for the nomination in 2016 produced for your Repub MAGA Winger side?
I don't know, MDS, I'm kinda sensing a lament or regret about those classic Repub results on your part now.
The oligarchs will rig it don't worry a bit Democratic voters in 50 states and now a handful will replace him.
They rigged the 2008 against a 3rd term for Bubba in favor of Barry Hussein.
They rigged the primaries against Bernie in 2016.
They rigged the general election for a 3rd term for Bubba in 2016 and still came up short.
They rigged the Democrat primaries in 2020 again.
They rigged the general election in 2020 for Scumbag Joe.
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
They just knifed Scumbag Joe in the back.
Rest assured they have a plan for whom the nominee will be.Already coming up with the "rigged" excuse for when you lose! I'll tell you what. When you do lose? Show your sorry asses up at the Capitol again and see what happens. Defenders of American democracy will be waiting to repel your treachery and treason!
Axel Heyst
07-22-24, 12:43
The oligarchs will rig it don't worry a bit Democratic voters in 50 states and now a handful will replace him.
They rigged the 2008 against a 3rd term for Bubba in favor of Barry Hussein.
They rigged the primaries against Bernie in 2016.
They rigged the general election for a 3rd term for Bubba in 2016 and still came up short.
They rigged the Democrat primaries in 2020 again.
They rigged the general election in 2020 for Scumbag Joe.
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
They just knifed Scumbag Joe in the back.
Rest assured they have a plan for whom the nominee will be.Yeah sure, Kamala baby IS the chosen heir and most likely candidate, but we shall see how that works out for the Dems. After all she was the DEI VP candidate in 2020. She has lower approval numbers than Biden, she has never won a primary or caucus, and she is lousy on the stump. I am looking forward to watching her defend the Biden / Harris record of failure and mediocrity. Specifically, I am looking forward to her explaining why she has been AWOL on her one VP assignment as the border queen. So, I am also really looking forward to her debates with President Trump.
Her campaign for president is going to be very dirty focusing on 2 issues, a woman's "right" to abortion up to and including the moment immediately preceding birth, and Trump is Hitler, all the while trying to downplay and run away from the top issues that concern most Americans, including woman, namely the economy stupid (inflation: less purchasing power (groceries, gasoline, car insurance, home prices, rental prices) for working people and the decline of real wages), the open border, runaway crime in Democrat controlled cities, 2 wars, DEI, and woke indoctrination in our universities and schools.
Meanwhile there are at least 5,000 Hamas sympathizers and nihilists planning to descend on Chicago and cause a lot of trouble. It may come to nothing, but it might very well turn into a disaster for the Dems like it was in '68. Remember poor Hubert Humphrey. He did not have a chance after the Chicago '68 convention. This is the next political show I am most looking forward to watching. I hope I am not disappointed.
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