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Elvis 2008
08-14-24, 23:28
One of the most egregious and indelible examples of this, was Hank Paulson the chairman and CEO of Goldman Sachs, who IMHO, took the gov't job (Sec. of the Treasury under George W. Bush), simply to avoid paying taxes. Boat loads of taxes! The irony in 2008 was that, then George W. Bush, was "paying-off/out" his banker donors, with lucrative tax breaks, to the very people who caused the sub-prime crash of 2008.And Robert Rubin took it under Clinton. Big deal. That is my point. The only people wanting to go into government today are the ones who do get the big payouts.
Well, here is another one who loved being in politics. Dolton Mayor Tiffany Aiesha Henyard, who has been dubbed "America's Worst Mayor", has disappeared after an investigation into the village's spending revealed more than $3. 5 million in debt, "out of control" credit card spending and $40,000 spend on Amazon purchases in one day.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/dolton-mayor-tiffany-henyard-disappears-after-investigation-reveals-35-million-hidden-debt
And then there is disgraced mayor Lori Lightfoot making $400 an hour investigating the worst mayor. Yeah, well, she knows a thing or two about corruption after being Chicago's mayor.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/chicagos-lori-lightfoot-lands-400-hour-job-investigating-even-worse-mayor
And then there was Fani Willis who was using tax dollars to pay off and screw her BF on the public dole. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/jim-jordan-whips-out-subpoena-devastates-fani.
Of course, Fani may have learned this trick from Kamala. For getting off Willie Brown, she landed jobs worth six figures at taxpayer expense. Yeah, Tooms, I got to say when you say Democrats create jobs, they are really good at creating these types of jobs.
And I wonder what exactly do these four pols have in common? Hmm. Yeah, they were all Democrats but maybe there is something else. Oh yeah, I forgot.
The one thing we can say those is all four of those Democratic pols get the Tooms seal of approval. You can do no wrong if you are a Democrat.
Elvis 2008
08-15-24, 00:11
Au contraire. She's largely responsible for FOSTA and SESTA and shutting down Back Page.You got me! https://www.fastcompany.com/91167281/kamala-harris-backpage-fosta-sesta.
Now we just have to see why with Tooms, Spidy, and Xpartan and all the other mongers think this does not matter. My bet is they think it is other men not them. Kamala knows how special they are.
It just cracks me up that these dummies think Kamala is on their side. Yeah, she was good for WB's sex life. Then as soon as she was Attorney General she said he was the first one she would lock up for anything. Then Biden chooses her as VP. After 3 years, she turns on him and was willing to hit him with the 25th amendment if he did not step down. And all those freedom loving pot smoking black men who voted for her saw her turn her back on them as well. And before all them, her father disowned her. I do not think it is possible for a woman to hate men more than Kamala does. Before you go into a relationship, you look for red flags, and the biggest red flag with a woman is one with daddy issues.
Of course, that does not mean that women are in the clear. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mean-girls-winning-script-kamala.
Call it Kamala's "Mean Girls" strategy: Turn the 2024 presidential campaign into an election for prom queen. ("Mean Girls" is Tina Fey's brilliant political allegory about a high school girl named Regina George who leverages her looks, gossip, and adolescent insecurities and cravings to rule over the student body until the uncool kids topple her to restore their freedom.).
Harris' strategy is to win by being cool, not by being competent. Democrats aren't even trying to prove that she has the brains, judgment, and gravitas to be the leader of the free world. Instead, they're embracing her skin-deep nature, highlighting her energy and appearance, and building her campaign on a foundation of social memes, social standing and social ridicule, too.
For example, when British pop star Charlie XCX said that "Kamala is brat" cool-girl slang for someone who's disorganized and says dumb things, but powers through it and gets what she wants anyway Kamala's campaign immediately embraced the meme.
Kamala wasn't cool in June before the Hollywood / media / cultural clique unified around their newly anointed leader. But her social standing soared when glamorous Hollywood stars showered her with money and love, and beautiful anchors and hip commentators on all mainstream media outlets gushed over her in unison while burying any talk of previous policies and statements.
Her first anti-Trump riposte is right out of the movie, too, as she and her parroting cool clique seek to make Trump and J. The. Vance as socially toxic as high school Mathletes. "They're weird!" the Queen and her acolytes say in unison (and everyone knows it's social suicide to like people who are weird)!
End of link. So she is a mean girl and her female staff would certainly vouch to that.
I could go on, but I'm getting tired of this. Wise up Elvis.To be honest, she and her campaign are so fucking pathetic, I almost want her to win. There would be no Reagan without Carter. She has this amazing hooker like projection of making it sound like you are special and she is so on your side when she has no clue what your side even is. She will tell you whatever you want. I would expect that this kind of hooker talk from her, "OMG, I have never been with a man as big as you".
Thing is Kamala had this interview with Lester Holt. It was about as softball as you can get but even he is like see'Mon. Kamala, you have not been to the border.
And her response was, "You haven't been to the border?" "I haven't been to Europe" said Kamala. They are not related at all. ".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omrMRP15q9M
Again, it is what you would expect if you interviewed a high end provider about the border.
Well, she did do something else. She may have started the war in Ukraine by tweeting this before the war, When I was in Poland, I met with USA And Polish service members, thanking them for standing with our NATO allies for freedom, peace, and security. The United States stands firmly with the Ukrainian people and in defense of the NATO alliance.
That is enough of a reason for Xpartan to vote for her.
To quote Bill Murray, so she has that going for her which is nice.
You got me! https://www.fastcompany.com/91167281/kamala-harris-backpage-fosta-sesta.
Now we just have to see why with Tooms, Spidy, and Xpartan and all the other mongers think this does not matter. My bet is they think it is other men not them....
Good post Elvis. She's wisely saying as little of substance as possible, even with the teleprompter. She's running a "Chance the Gardener" campaign, if you remember the movie "Being There." Indeed some of our fellow board members, the Kamala supporters, seem to suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. As an advocate of criminal justice reform, free markets, and a viable domestic oil and gas industry, I believe she sucks.
I don't like Trump and I won't vote for him. But the world's not going to come to an end if he's elected.
I don't believe it will either if Kamala is elected, PROVIDED Republicans control the Senate and / or House. From the fiscal perspective (deficits and the national debt), that might be a decent outcome. She could wreck havoc though if she decides to do something like handicap fossil fuels to the point where we're paying California-like prices for energy.
The worst case scenario is if it's a clean Democratic Party sweep. Then there will be hell to pay. And we won't have Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin protecting the Democratic Party from its worst instincts.
Good post Elvis. She's wisely saying as little as possible. She's running a "Chance the Gardener" campaign, if you remember the movie "Being There. " Indeed some of our fellow board members, the Kamala supporters, seem to suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. As an advocate of criminal justice reform, free markets, and a viable domestic oil and gas industry, I believe she sucks.
I don't like Trump and I won't vote for him. But the world's not going to come to an end if he's elected. I don't believe it will either if Kamala is elected, PROVIDED Republicans control the Senate and / or House. She could wreck havoc though if she decides to do something like handicap fossil fuels to the point where we're paying California-like prices for energy. The worst case scenario is if it's a clean Democratic Party sweep. Then there will be hell to pay. And we won't have Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin protecting the Democratic Party from its worst instincts.It is always great for a laugh to hear anyone express concern about a Dem Administration with ANY particular Party conttol in the House and Senate doing serious damage to the American economy after EVERY Repub Administration of the past 100 years has produced and presided over the worst economic downsturns and series of downturns regardless which Party controls the House and Senate but certainly the worst of the worst when Repubs also control the House and the Senate. LOL.
Meanwhile, nothing, zero, nada of the kind has ever happened when Dem Administrations also have Dem control of the House and the Senate. In fact, nothing but damn great results have occurred under that perfectly benign condition while nothing but horrific results have occurred when Repubs are in total control of all three.
The great danger in blithely rooting for a Repub Majority in the House and / or Senate is then all it takes is one more blithering numbskull Electoral College quirk in one individual blithering numbskull Repub's favor to complete the Triumverate of Terror and Total Economic Disaster of a Repub in the White House with a Repub Majority House and Senate.
That is too great a risk for any patriotic American to take when the Dem alternative has shown throughout history to produce zero downside risk of even a notable mild and momentary economic downturn.
You got me! https://www.fastcompany.com/91167281/kamala-harris-backpage-fosta-sesta.
Now we just have to see why with Tooms, Spidy, and Xpartan and all the other mongers think this does not matter. My bet is they think it is other men not them. Kamala knows how special they are.
It just cracks me up that these dummies think Kamala is on their side. Yeah, she was good for WB's sex life. Then as soon as she was Attorney General she said he was the first one she would lock up for anything. Then Biden chooses her as VP. After 3 years, she turns on him and was willing to hit him with the 25th amendment if he did not step down. And all those freedom loving pot smoking black men who voted for her saw her turn her back on them as well. And before all them, her father disowned her. I do not think it is possible for a woman to hate men more than Kamala does. Before you go into a relationship, you look for red flags, and the biggest red flag with a woman is one with daddy issues.
Well, she did do something else. She may have started the war in Ukraine by tweeting this before the war, When I was in Poland, I met with USA And Polish service members, thanking them for standing with our NATO allies for freedom, peace, and security. The United States stands firmly with the Ukrainian people and in defense of the NATO alliance.
That is enough of a reason for Xpartan to vote for her.Your "she may have started the war in Ukraine" lunacy notwithstanding, why on earth would you drop my name in your diatribe? I'm not in awe with Kamala Harris. I said in this very forum that I would've been happier with another candidate who's more their own person and not mostly known as a sidekick.
That said, Kamala Harris is the only person currently standing between Donald Trump and America.
You know my take on Donald Trump. He is a calamity. I think if elected again, Donald Trump will attempt to end our democracy and way of life. This is my EDUCATED guess based on what he already did or tried to do between 2016 and 2020, the period that might be dubbed by future historians Orwellian or Putinesque, or probably both.
Since you do know how I feel about Donald Trump, what else am I supposed to do? For a sane person, there is no real choice between Kamala and Trump even if the former might be lacking somewhat as a presidential candidate.
The world's non Repub MAGAs already know all about this and don't really need to read or listen to this book to know everything in it.
But it would no doubt come as a total shock for low information suc, er I mean, emotion-driven cult-followers, er I mean "conservatives" to realize what was done to them:
Ministry of Truth.
Democracy, Reality, and the Republicans' War on the Recent Past.
https://www.msnbc.com/ministryoftruth
Republicans exposed for adopting Trump's gaslighting tactic to avoid harsh political realities.
Rachel Maddow talks with Steve Benen, MaddowBlog editor and author of "Ministry of Truth: Democracy, Reality, and the Republicans' War on the Recent Past," about how Republicans have grown increasingly comfortable simply denying inconvenient facts or constructing false histories to avoid having to deal with being associated with unpopular policies and events.Ministry of Truth: Democracy, Reality, and the Republicans War on the Recent Past.
http://www.publishersweekly.com/9780063393677
The Republican Party is waging a frantic gaslighting campaign to rewrite the stories that have unfolded over the last several years, according to this illuminating account from Benen (The Impostors) a producer of The Rachel Maddow Show.
Pointing to polls showing that a majority of Republican voters believe that Trump made no effort to overturn the 2020 election, among other misbeliefs that absolve Donald Trump from wrongdoing and exaggerate his successes as president, Benen delves into how the Republican playbook of historical revisionism has evolved in recent years to make such lies possible to perpetuate.
While much of it comes down to Trumps habitual lying and self-aggrandizing being repeated as fact on right-leaning outlets like Fox News, Benen also spotlights Republican politicians who have entered Trumps alternate reality and begun generating their own pro-Trump spin, like Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, who claimed the Jan. 6 insurrectionists were fake Trump protesters, and New York congresswoman Elise Stefanik, who asserted that the FBIs search for classified documents at Mar-a-Lago was part of a hoax. While Benen, true to form, spends slightly too much time on Russia-related events, his account is well sourced and covers a lot of ground.
This cogent survey of the Trumpist lie factory is worth checking out for more than just fans of Maddow. (Aug.)
Trump's slurring, lies and incoherence will only get worse after this
Cook Political Report is one of the more highly respected polling services:
https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls/election
Swing State Project: August 14, 2024 Toplines
August 14, 2024
https://www.cookpolitical.com/survey-research/2024-swing-state-project/14Aug2024-toplines
Trump leads Harris only in Nevada in these polls, +3 in the Head-to-Head, +5 in the 5-Way. This was before the audio interview of him and Musk laughing about how much fun it is to fire the American Working Men and Women for daring to expect to be fairly paid and treated, especially union workers.
Trump should have canceled that Republican National Convention, promised to name a VP candidate "in two weeks" and remained silent and hidden in that last basement Men's Room stall he usually hides in when frightened.
Yep, "remaining silent and hidden", would have definitely been more preferable for Repub chances at winning. But luckily for Dems, being loud, obnoxious and an insufferable slurring drama queen, is Trump's strong suits. And coincidentally, it would seem, tied to his polling, over the past several weeks.
The more the Repub drama queen, lies about things like "crowd sizes" and drones on about death by electric boats vs. sharks, the more his polls tank and the more Repubs and Independents, cross over to the Harris/Walz ticket. Quite frankly, I'm in favor of keeping him talking! (...kkkk!)
NYT - The worst Three Weeks of Donald Trump's 2024 campaign, yet!...one unforced error after another
"People around the former and would-be president see a candidate knocked off his bearings, disoriented by his new contest with Kamala Harris and unsure of how to take her on...Nearly three weeks since she became his Democratic opponent, Mr. Trump and his campaign are still struggling to settle on how to define Ms. Harris, what message with which to attack her, and even what nickname with which to belittle her...
Outside advisers and allies have also called Mr. Trump to impress on him the political peril of continuing with those kinds of attacks...stick to policy contrasts, rather than personal attacks, and to treat Ms. Harris as a formidable adversary, as he had Mrs. Clinton.
That advice has gone unheeded."
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/10/us/politics/trump-campaign-election.html
Repubs are just adorably gullible, when it comes to Trump, as they continue to hold out hope, that somehow, he'll finally become the conservative "presidential" candidate, they so desperately desire.
MarquisdeSade1
08-15-24, 10:34
And Robert Rubin took it under Clinton. Big deal. That is my point. The only people wanting to go into government today are the ones who do get the big payouts.
Well, here is another one who loved being in politics. Dolton Mayor Tiffany Aiesha Henyard, who has been dubbed "America's Worst Mayor", has disappeared after an investigation into the village's spending revealed more than $3. 5 million in debt, "out of control" credit card spending and $40,000 spend on Amazon purchases in one day.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/dolton-mayor-tiffany-henyard-disappears-after-investigation-reveals-35-million-hidden-debt
And then there is disgraced mayor Lori Lightfoot making $400 an hour investigating the worst mayor. Yeah, well, she knows a thing or two about corruption after being Chicago's mayor..https://www.foxnews.com/us/illinois-school-worker-sentenced-9-years-prison-stealing-1-5-million-worth-chicken-wings
https://amp-marca-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.marca.com/en/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/2024/08/14/66bc078de2704e49888b4597.html?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID#amp_tf=From%20%251%24's&aoh=17236564440974&csi=0&referrer=https%3 A%2 F%2 F www.google.com&share=https%3 A%2 F%2 Fwww.marca.com%2 Fen%2 Fnfl%2 Fkansas-city-chiefs%2 F2024%2 F08%2 F14%2 F66 bc078 de2704 e49888 b4597. Html.
It is always great for a laugh to hear anyone express concern about a Dem Administration with ANY particular Party conttol in the House and Senate doing serious damage to the American economy after EVERY Repub Administration of the past 100 years has produced and presided over the worst economic downsturns and series of downturns regardless which Party controls the House and Senate but certainly the worst of the worst when Repubs also control the House and the Senate. LOL.
Meanwhile, nothing, zero, nada of the kind has ever happened when Dem Administrations also have Dem control of the House and the Senate. In fact, nothing but damn great results have occurred under that perfectly benign condition while nothing but horrific results have occurred when Repubs are in total control of all three.
The great danger in blithely rooting for a Repub Majority in the House and / or Senate is then all it takes is one more blithering numbskull Electoral College quirk in one individual blithering numbskull Repub's favor to complete the Triumverate of Terror and Total Economic Disaster of a Repub in the White House with a Repub Majority House and Senate.
That is too great a risk for any patriotic American to take when the Dem alternative has shown throughout history to produce zero downside risk of even a notable mild and momentary economic downturn.
Your "she may have started the war in Ukraine" lunacy notwithstanding, why on earth would you drop my name in your diatribe? I'm not in awe with Kamala Harris. I said in this very forum that I would've been happier with another candidate who's more their own person and not mostly known as a sidekick.
That said, Kamala Harris is the only person currently standing between Donald Trump and America.
You know my take on Donald Trump. He is a calamity. I think if elected again, Donald Trump will attempt to end our democracy and way of life. This is my EDUCATED guess based on what he already did or tried to do between 2016 and 2020, the period that might be dubbed by future historians Orwellian or Putinesque, or probably both.
Since you do know how I feel about Donald Trump, what else am I supposed to do? For a sane person, there is no real choice between Kamala and Trump even if the former might be lacking somewhat as a presidential candidate.
I expected as much. As all the fake bluster, bunk and bullshit w/r to the Harris/Walz ticket, is just Repubs, trying to find and suss out, what will stick to the wall.
Personally, I love how the Harris/Walz ticket is handling, the often juvenile and nonsensical comments coming from the dysfunctional Repub campaign, who have yet to announce what plans, polices or political stances there running on. Which we all know they don't have any policies or plans, just more cheap rhetoric.
The Harris/Walz ticket, has them disoriented and still reeling from the campaign jabs of being called "weird" (which BTW, was so apropos!). The other campaign's jabs haven't landed a single blow yet and for the last 3-weeks have only gotten tired, stale and "punch drunk".
In 1991, Lichtman and coauthor Ken DeCell published The 13 Keys to the White House (Madison Books, 1991), a book laying out the 13-key forecasting system initially developed in 1981 by Lichtman and renowned mathematician Vladimir Keilis-Borok. They developed the keys based on their analysis of trends in presidential campaigns since 1860.
The 13 keys are simple to use: if 8 or more of the 13 keys are true for the incumbent party, its candidate will win the electionbut if fewer than 8 are true, the challenger will win.
1. Party mandate: After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the US House of Representatives than after the previous midterm elections. FALSE.
2. Contest: There is no serious contest for the incumbent party nomination. TRUE.
3. Incumbency: The incumbent party candidate is the sitting president. FALSE.
4. Third party: There is no significant third party or independent campaign. TRUE.
5. Short term economy: The economy is not in recession during the election campaign. TRUE.
6. Long term economy: Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms. TRUE.
7. Policy change: The incumbent administration effects major changes in national policy. TRUE.Unless I am mistaken, I think Lichtman usually frames it as, "If 6 or more of the Keys are False, the WH Party is predicted to lose. ".
Looking at it that way, I would say:
1. False.
2.
3. False.
4.
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6.
7.
8.
9.
10. False. It is undeserved, but MSM went berserk blaming Biden and has never let up over 1 Taliban nut with a suicide bomb vest in Afghanistan getting past Taliban "security" and killing 13 USA Military in what is still the least deadly withdrawal from an occupied country by the losing side in war history.
11. False, but there is a better than even chance Ukraine's latest moves will look more and more to the world like Russia is definitely losing. Even though neither that one nor Gaza / Israel is a USA war, such an outcome would add a point score to Biden. Personally, I would credit Biden for a major military success for keeping us out of any war anywhere for the past 3 1/2 years, for the first time in decades. And, of course, for leading the country to a win in Trump's War Against America and American Democracy in January 2021.
12. False. Harris is very popular within her Party. But she shows no sign (yet) of being a historically charismatic cross-over candidate as in FDR or Reagan.
13. (P. S. - See 12 above on steroids for Trump. Nobody outside of his MAGAs can stand him. He lost the Popular Vote twice already by a combined 10 million votes. He is really no FDR or Reagan).
So with 6 or more False Keys being the danger zone for Harris, my count is 5 for now with a good chance that 1 of those 5 could flip True in the next month or two and near zero chance any of the others will go False before November.
Had Mainstream Media not terrorized Dem campaign donors and down ballot Dem candidates over a few verbal gaffes, Biden would have retained the Incumbancy Key, still had all the others Harris has and would have been a 100% lock to win re-election, not even close.
But Harris will still do well.
LOL. In light of her critically important overwhelming popularity within the Dem Party, it is now even more hilarious that pro Repub pretend "bothsider" pundits like Bill Maher were begging Biden to drop out and take Harris with him since there is no way she would be a viable potus candidate, her being his VP pick from the beginning being another terrible decision by that "cognitively impaired" old man. LOL.
BTW, I believe Lichtman's current count is more favorable for Harris than mine right now but says he will give his final count right after the Dem National Convention.
When the Emerson Poll has Harris and the Dems beating Trump and the Repubs, it is time for Trump's constant, career-defining public lying about everything all the time to become Super charged!
LOL. His rally lies about how his economy was "the strongest in the history of the world" when in fact it was weaker than Biden's or Obama's and a few other potuses of the past few decades on every important metric even if you subtract his Historic Trump's Pandemic Disaster numbers (although there is no logical reason to do so) and that he "handed Biden a miracle economy and then he ruined it" when in fact he handed Biden-Harris among the top three worst economic conditions of the past Century (along with Hoover's and GW Bush's handoffs, one of which Biden was also key to producing one of the greatest recoveries of all time) and then Biden-Harris produced the greatest recovery from Trump's Pandemic's economic disaster and inflation on the planet, he might as well keep lying about how his poll numbers are ahead of Harris' "by a LOT", too!
His numbskull cult-followers won't know the difference. And even if they do, nothing delights a Repub MAGA more than their boys and girls lying their asses off in service to weasling into office so they can again and again and again produce the worst economic and national security results in history.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls/election
Of course, this is only happening because the polls are showing Trump might win. Oh. Not at all?
Nevermind.
Consumer spending jumped in July as retail sales were up 1%, much better than expected.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/15/retail-sales-july-2024-.html?__source=androidappshare
Advanced retail sales accelerated 1% on the month, much better than the 0.3% estimate.
In other economic news, weekly jobless claims totaled 227,000, a decrease of 7,000 from the previous week and lower than the estimate for 235,000.
The reports come the same week as data showing that inflation eased slightly in July.A key metric shows prices normalizing: 'Mission accomplished,' economist says.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/14/prices-are-returning-to-normal-mission-accomplished-says-expert.html?__source=androidappshare
Biden administration releases prices of 10 drugs in Medicare talks
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/15/medicare-releases-prices-for-first-10-drugs-subject-to-negotiations.html?__source=androidappshare
The Biden administration released prices for the first 10 prescription drugs that were subject to landmark negotiations with Medicare.
The government estimates that the new prices could produce $6 billion in net savings for Medicare in 2026 alone, based on data from 2023.
It is a milestone in a controversial process that aims to make costly medications more affordable for older Americans, a policy the pharmaceutical industry has opposed.
It comes one day before the second anniversary of President Joe Bidens signature Inflation Reduction Act.Harris to propose federal ban on 'corporate price-gouging' in food and groceries
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/15/harris-corporate-price-gouging-ban-food-election.html?__source=androidappshare
Vice President Kamala Harris will propose the first-ever federal ban on corporate price-gouging in the food industry, her campaign announced.
Harris will also pledge that if elected, she will direct the Justice Department to increase scrutiny of potential mergers between grocers and food producers.
The ban is part of a broader effort by the Democratic presidential nominee to respond to voters ongoing frustration with the high cost of meat and groceries.
Elvis 2008
08-15-24, 17:13
Good post Elvis. She's wisely saying as little of substance as possible, even with the teleprompter. She's running a "Chance the Gardener" campaign, if you remember the movie "Being There." Indeed some of our fellow board members, the Kamala supporters, seem to suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. As an advocate of criminal justice reform, free markets, and a viable domestic oil and gas industry, I believe she sucks.It is funny that I thought of Chance the Gardner and Being There as well. Anyway, she finally showed her economic colors for the first time today: https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/vp-harris-first-economic-plan-proposes-federal-price-controls-combat-inflation.
Yes, let us beat up the food companies and impose price controls. Biden never understood how markets work and neither does Kamala. Remember what I said about Reagan v. Carter. Yeah, with Reagan, he got rid of price controls on gasoline. Carter had pretty up billions of ration coupons for gasoline. It was unreal.
When you look at the Biden list of accomplishments Tooms listed, it seemed like half or more was just spending government money. Going into debt or taking people's money is only an accomplishment if what you invest in has a multiplier effect like the highway system or space program. When you cancel student debt, you are just buying votes. That is not an accomplishment.
Elvis 2008
08-15-24, 17:31
I'm not in awe with Kamala Harris.But she started the war you love so much, and she stood up to Putin. She is going to be very neocon like. I cannot imagine why you would not like her.
That said, Kamala Harris is the only person currently standing between Donald Trump and America.And ending the war in Ukraine which would have never started had Trump been president.
Since you do know how I feel about Donald Trump, what else am I supposed to do? For a sane person, there is no real choice between Kamala and Trump even if the former might be lacking somewhat as a presidential candidate.I guess I am confused. Who is running things now and are you happy with the way things are being run? It is obviously not Kamala and not Biden. So Kamala is lacking but Biden is and was not?
You should vote Kamala Xpartan. Trust me, she will have an administration every bit as pro war as Biden is.
CheckMate1
08-15-24, 18:06
I have three that I think with current state of population, technology advancement, and blindspot that currently not addressed in the constitution.
Proposal A: Change the electoral college to popular vote system, 50%+1.
Reasonings: The electoral college was set up so that large cities with information flowing slowly to the rural areas would not dominate rural citizens every election. Ideally not having only a few states to determine the outcome. In the 20th century, it was argued that the middle of the country would be disadvantage because election campaigns would only need to campaign in the outer perimeters of the country. Problem with this argument is that now we ACTUALLY have a few states deciding the outcome and with less representation of the populace. I believe we are in a good enough technological advancement that there are no real advantages of high population centers determining outcomes as it once did. News / Information is available within seconds as opposed to the past of newspapers lagging at least a day.
Proposal be: NO family members can serve in presidential admininstration, 1st cousins included.
Proposal see: No Elected members of congress / senate; President / Vice President; Supreme Court Justices can receive gifts from ANY person or business. All side hussle earnings will be donated to the treasury with neutral tax ramafication. One exception to this rule is proceeds from book sales will go to the author. All salary of elected officials are tax exempted. All incomes derived from investments shall be managed in a blind trust and tax exempt until leave of office.
Why are you running for a position in the Federal Government if you're not there to protect and improve the lives of its citizens? I think with these changes, you'll have more honorable people in government.
I have never met anyone in my life who went into government by choice. People who go into it do so for security not excellence, and most cannot wait to get their pensions and get the hell out.
Okay, So get a gov't job, just for the "security" but "not excellence" required, and then "get hell out"...okay I think I've got it!
But Elvis 2008, how do you square, if "excellence" isn't required for a gov't job, then why would, Repub George H.W. Bush, pass a tax exemption rule, to "attract talent", if none is required? Is this just another, boneheaded Repub tax dodge?
Doesn't this (George H.W. Bush tax exemption) seem to fly in the face of your back of the envelope theory, on "not excellence" in gov't jobs? How do you explain this?
The only people wanting to go into government today are the ones who do get the big payouts.
(...kkkk!) What, the what now? So now you're taking in circles?
First it is for "security" but "not excellence" and now it's "the big payouts" and "bonuses" also? What's next?
BTW, I am pretty sure, SubCmdr's post, already covers this exact topic, when he refers to bonuses, cross-pollenation of employees and the symbiotic revolving door between gov't and business connections and relations.
So what you're really saying is, you now agree with the education SubCmdr provided you in his post? If so, congratulations for coming full circle!
SubCmdr's post: "My education for you Elvis is gratis" --http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2937221&viewfull=1#post2937221
BTW, Elvis 2008, how you do explain, "billionaire" Trump taking the gov't job of president in 2016? Where was the "big payout"? Since we all know he's trying to take the job in 2024, simply to stay outta jail?
It is always great for a laugh to hear anyone express concern about a Dem Administration with ANY particular Party conttol in the House and Senate doing serious damage to the American economy after EVERY Repub Administration of the past 100 years has produced and presided over the worst economic downsturns and series of downturns regardless which Party controls the House and Senate but certainly the worst of the worst when Repubs also control the House and the Senate. LOL.
Meanwhile, nothing, zero, nada of the kind has ever happened when Dem Administrations also have Dem control of the House and the Senate. In fact, nothing but damn great results have occurred under that perfectly benign condition while nothing but horrific results have occurred when Repubs are in total control of all three.
The great danger in blithely rooting for a Repub Majority in the House and / or Senate is then all it takes is one more blithering numbskull Electoral College quirk in one individual blithering numbskull Repub's favor to complete the Triumverate of Terror and Total Economic Disaster of a Repub in the White House with a Repub Majority House and Senate.
That is too great a risk for any patriotic American to take when the Dem alternative has shown throughout history to produce zero downside risk of even a notable mild and momentary economic downturn.If I recall correctly, you're a tea totaler. That is, you don't drink alcohol. As such you don't really have the life experience to understand this analogy. But here goes anyway.
Say you tie one on. You're the life of the party. You bang the woman of your dreams, not realizing in your alcohol dazed stupor that she's an ugly ****. You have a great time.
The next morning, you wake up puking your guts out on your bedroom floor, with a splitting headache and a couple of venereal diseases. Your friends all hate you. Worst of all, you have low self esteem, because you banged a fat, ugly ****.
This is what would happen if you put the current Democratic Party bunch in the White House, House and Senate at the same time. Now this doesn't entirely apply to the good old time Democrats. But the Dems today are nothing like the Dems who ruled America during the first two years of the Clinton and Obama administrations. Or, when you consider the influence of Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin, even during the first two years of the Biden administration. The current crop is stark raving mad. You leave them in power long enough and they might just do the same thing to the USA that Chavez and Maduro did to Venezuela or the Kirchner's to Argentina. Initially, for the first eight or ten years, the good times will roll, as they pump massive amounts of government money into the economy. Many of us, especially the ones sucking off the government tit, will live high on the hog. But then the inevitable hangover comes, and there will be hell to pay.
The same effect existed to an extent during past periods when Democrats controlled all the levers of power. They fuck things up a bit and then leave it to the Republicans and to shared power government (for example Clinton and Gingrich) to kind of clean up the mess. If they'd controlled all the levers of power for many years we likely would have ended up no worse than France. Unfortunately now the Progressives control the party. And they have the ideas to run the country down the tubes if in a position to do so.
Read my next post, where Noah Smith says Kamala's latest bright idea is what drove inflation in Venezuela, before you call me Chicken Little.
This is from Noah Smith's substack today. Smith is about as far left as you can get for a mainstream economist. Think Paul Krugman. And here's an excerpt from what he has to say about Kamala's latest idea. It's only about the first 20% of a long piece. Please note the analogies to Venezuela and the Soviet Union in bold text below.
I've been doing a series of posts on the substantive ideas of the two presidential campaigns. I talked about Biden's policies back in May when he was still running, and when he dropped out I wrote a post about his legacy. On the Trump / GOP side, I wrote about Trump's terrible idea for revoking the Fed's independence, analyzed the RNC platform piece by piece, discussed the possible upside of tariffs on China, and argued that mass deportation of illegal immigrants would do no good for the economy, while spreading fear and division. Now it's time for some posts about Harris' ideas.
Today I want to talk about Harris' first big policy announcement a call for price controls on food and groceries. Here's the story, from the Washington Post's Jeff Stein:
Vice President Kamala Harris on Friday will unveil a proposed ban on "price gouging" in the grocery and food industries, embracing a strikingly populist proposal in her most significant economic policy announcement since becoming the Democratic Party's nominee.
In a statement released late Wednesday night, the Harris campaign said that if elected, she would push for the "first-ever federal ban" on food price hikes, with sweeping new powers for federal authorities.
Harris's plan will include "the first-ever federal ban on price gouging on food and groceries setting clear rules of the road to make clear that big corporations can't unfairly exploit consumers to run up excessive corporate profits on food and groceries," the campaign said in a statement.
The exact details of the campaign's plan were not immediately clear, but Harris said she would aim to enact the ban within her first 100 days, in part by directing the Federal Trade Commission to impose "harsh penalties" on firms that break new limits on "price gouging. " The statement did not define price gouging or "excessive" profits.
Price controls on food are a really terrible idea. The best-case scenario is that the controls are ineffectual but create the legal and administrative machinery for far more harmful controls in the future. The worst-case scenario is that they cause shortages of food and groceries, leading to mass hardship, exacerbating inflation, and setting America up for increased political instability.
If you want to defend Harris here, you pretty much have to assume that this is a populist proposal that she'll eventually backtrack on once in office, or fail to get passed. After all, in the final days of his campaign, Biden floated a (very bad) proposal for national rent control an idea he had never embraced in his presidency, and which was probably just a Hail Mary pass. But Harris explicitly said that price controls on groceries are something she'the do in her first 100 days as President, and candidates tend to be serious when they say that.
It's also a very bad sign that Harris intends to use executive power to implement price controls. She appears to believe that the Federal Trade Commission can impose penalties on companies that "price gouge" I. E. , that raise their prices more than the administration believes is warranted. I am not a lawyer, but the idea that the FTC can go in and simply tell a Kroger's in Michigan what price to charge for eggs seems like a vast expansion of the agency's powers.
The FTC has the power to stop price fixing, but that's something very different price fixing means when multiple companies illegally collaborate to keep their prices high instead of competing. It's dealt with under existing antitrust law, and the FTC has to sue companies in court to get them to stop it. I see no reason to believe that existing law allows the FTC to act like a central planning authority that can simply dictate what every grocery store in the land can charge for eggs, milk, diapers, and toilet paper.
So my guess is that the kind of price control regime Harris has in mind would require an act of Congress. I don't know if she could get it passed, or if SCOTUS would strike it down, but if it succeeded, it would create the legal machinery for the kind of disastrous spiral of price controls, hoarding crackdowns, and shortages that brought down the economy of Venezuela..
....Price controls can wreck an economy
Lets talk about the dangers of price controls, because theyre big.
First, think about what would happen if the President of the U.S. managed to impose price controls on grocery stores. As we saw in the last section, these stores have razor-thin profit margins when they increase prices, its because theyre paying higher costs. If the stores are forbidden from raising prices when costs go up, the government will be forcing them to take a loss.
What will the stores do if the government forces them to take a loss? They will sell less stuff, because theyre taking a loss with every sale they make. Shelves will go empty, just like they did in the Soviet Union, and just like they did in Venezuela.
When people hear the words Soviet Union and Venezuela in connection with the U.S. economy, they often roll their eyes. Those regimes were dysfunctional in a very large number of ways price controls were only a piece of the story in each case. But that doesnt mean basic economic operates differently in the USSR or Venezuela than it does in America. The economic logic of price controls in a competitive industry like groceries is basic Econ 101 supply-and-demand stuff. The good old Econ 101 supply-and-demand model doesnt work in all cases, but its very good at explaining exactly why price controls cause shortages in highly competitive industries: (There's a supply/demand graph here)
Yes, we've all grown tired of libertarians and free-market types shouting "It's just Econ 101, bro. Do you want to be the Soviet Union?" every time anyone proposes a government intervention in the economy. But in this particular case, they happen to be correct! (Tiny's note: The Libertarians and Free-Market types are right far more often than Smith cares to admit. But Kamala's nutty proposal is a bridge too far for even him.)
https://www.noahpinion.blog/
Harris to propose federal ban on 'corporate price-gouging' in food and groceries
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/15/harris-corporate-price-gouging-ban-food-election.html?__source=androidappshare
I do not share your enthusiasm for this proposal.
This is from Noah Smith's substack today. Smith is about as far left as you can get for a mainstream economist. Think Paul Krugman. And here's an excerpt from what he has to say about Kamala's latest idea. It's only about the first 20% of a long piece. Please note the analogies to Venezuela and the Soviet Union in bold text below.
I've been doing a series of posts on the substantive ideas of the two presidential campaigns. I talked about Biden's policies back in May when he was still running, and when he dropped out I wrote a post about his legacy. On the Trump / GOP side, I wrote about Trump's terrible idea for revoking the Fed's independence, analyzed the RNC platform piece by piece, discussed the possible upside of tariffs on China, and argued that mass deportation of illegal immigrants would do no good for the economy, while spreading fear and division. Now it's time for some posts about Harris' ideas.
Today I want to talk about Harris' first big policy announcement a call for price controls on food and groceries. Here's the story, from the Washington Post's Jeff Stein:
Vice President Kamala Harris on Friday will unveil a proposed ban on "price gouging" in the grocery and food industries, embracing a strikingly populist proposal in her most significant economic policy announcement since becoming the Democratic Party's nominee.
In a statement released late Wednesday night, the Harris campaign said that if elected, she would push for the "first-ever federal ban" on food price hikes, with sweeping new powers for federal authorities.
Harris's plan will include "the first-ever federal ban on price gouging on food and groceries setting clear rules of the road to make clear that big corporations can't unfairly exploit consumers to run up excessive corporate profits on food and groceries," the campaign said in a statement.
The exact details of the campaign's plan were not immediately clear, but Harris said she would aim to enact the ban within her first 100 days, in part by directing the Federal Trade Commission to impose "harsh penalties" on firms that break new limits on "price gouging. " The statement did not define price gouging or "excessive" profits.
Price controls on food are a really terrible idea. The best-case scenario is that the controls are ineffectual but create the legal and administrative machinery for far more harmful controls in the future. The worst-case scenario is that they cause shortages of food and groceries, leading to mass hardship, exacerbating inflation, and setting America up for increased political instability.
If you want to defend Harris here, you pretty much have to assume that this is a populist proposal that she'll eventually backtrack on once in office, or fail to get passed. After all, in the final days of his campaign, Biden floated a (very bad) proposal for national rent control an idea he had never embraced in his presidency, and which was probably just a Hail Mary pass. But Harris explicitly said that price controls on groceries are something she'the do in her first 100 days as President, and candidates tend to be serious when they say that.
It's also a very bad sign that Harris intends to use executive power to implement price controls. She appears to believe that the Federal Trade Commission can impose penalties on companies that "price gouge" I. E. , that raise their prices more than the administration believes is warranted. I am not a lawyer, but the idea that the FTC can go in and simply tell a Kroger's in Michigan what price to charge for eggs seems like a vast expansion of the agency's powers.
The FTC has the power to stop price fixing, but that's something very different price fixing means when multiple companies illegally collaborate to keep their prices high instead of competing. It's dealt with under existing antitrust law, and the FTC has to sue companies in court to get them to stop it. I see no reason to believe that existing law allows the FTC to act like a central planning authority that can simply dictate what every grocery store in the land can charge for eggs, milk, diapers, and toilet paper.
So my guess is that the kind of price control regime Harris has in mind would require an act of Congress. I don't know if she could get it passed, or if SCOTUS would strike it down, but if it succeeded, it would create the legal machinery for the kind of disastrous spiral of price controls, hoarding crackdowns, and shortages that brought down the economy of Venezuela..
....Price controls can wreck an economy
Lets talk about the dangers of price controls, because theyre big.
First, think about what would happen if the President of the U.S. managed to impose price controls on grocery stores. As we saw in the last section, these stores have razor-thin profit margins when they increase prices, its because theyre paying higher costs. If the stores are forbidden from raising prices when costs go up, the government will be forcing them to take a loss.
What will the stores do if the government forces them to take a loss? They will sell less stuff, because theyre taking a loss with every sale they make. Shelves will go empty, just like they did in the Soviet Union, and just like they did in Venezuela.
When people hear the words Soviet Union and Venezuela in connection with the U.S. economy, they often roll their eyes. Those regimes were dysfunctional in a very large number of ways price controls were only a piece of the story in each case. But that doesnt mean basic economic operates differently in the USSR or Venezuela than it does in America. The economic logic of price controls in a competitive industry like groceries is basic Econ 101 supply-and-demand stuff. The good old Econ 101 supply-and-demand model doesnt work in all cases, but its very good at explaining exactly why price controls cause shortages in highly competitive industries: (There's a supply/demand graph here)
Yes, we've all grown tired of libertarians and free-market types shouting "It's just Econ 101, bro. Do you want to be the Soviet Union?" every time anyone proposes a government intervention in the economy. But in this particular case, they happen to be correct! (Tiny's note: The Libertarians and Free-Market types are right far more often than Smith cares to admit. But Kamala's nutty proposal is a bridge too far for even him.)
https://www.noahpinion.blog/As a pro Repub, pro Trump, pretend "bothsider / neithersider", what has your preferred 2025 potus, Donald Trump, proposed as his plan for what his MAGAs are screaming for; lower costs for rent, food and gas?
We know the usual Repub plan to accomplish those results; drive the USA Economy into a Great Depression / Great Recession and Wipe Out a few million jobs. Same solution for Trump this time?
And I have heard him say "drill baby drill" will drive down the cost of rent, etc. How so? And how much more drilling and oil production should Biden have done beyond the record high amounts, achieving true oil-related energy independence for the first time during his presidency, to lower somebody's rent?
And, please, only cite Trump's perfectly sane solutions for lowering the cost of somebody's rent, food and gas.
In addition to Trump's repeated lie that "I did the insulin" that Biden-Harris passed into law, he apparently can not pass a Factcheck on a single assertion.
Check out this astonishing (brief and incomplete) list of total lies Trump told at his most recent public lie fest. As always, these Factcheck corrections are filled with hyper-links to the facts and substantiation that debunk Trump's constant lies about everything all the time:
Fact check: Trump falsely accuses Harris and Biden of lying about $35 insulin.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/14/politics/fact-check-insulin-trump-biden-harris/index.html
Other false claims
Trump made a variety of other false claims in the Wednesday speech. Here is a brief fact check of 13 of those claims, many of which have been previously debunked. (This is not a complete list.)
- He claimed that the price of bacon went up by four or five times under Biden and Harris. Its actually up 18%, nowhere near the 300% or 400% spike Trump is claiming.
- He claimed that Harris policy proposals will result in peoples taxes quadrupling. Experts say there is no basis for this claim.
- Speaking of Russias invasion of Ukraine, he claimed Biden is letting him have the whole thing. In fact, Biden has led an international effort to help Ukraine fight Russia; Russia has to date been able to seize about 18% of Ukraines territory, nowhere near the entire country.
- He said Covid-19 was ending all over the world, it was pretty much ending when Biden and Harris took office in January 2021. It was not.
- He said his tax cuts were the largest ever. They were not.
- He said he took in hundreds of billions of dollars from China through his tariffs on Chinese products, and that no previous president had taken in 10 cents from tariffs on China. Both claims are wrong. Study after study has found that Americans paid the overwhelming majority of the cost of Trumps tariffs, and the US was generating billions per year in revenue from tariffs on China before Trump took office.
- He said Biden appointed Harris as border czar and put her in charge of the border. In reality, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas has been in charge of border security under Biden; Biden gave Harris a more limited immigration-related assignment, asking her to lead diplomacy with Central American countries in an attempt to address the root causes of their citizens migration.
- He said he built 571 miles of border wall. Official government statistics show it was 458 miles, most of it replacement barrier.
- He said he built more border wall than I said I was going to build. In fact, he repeatedly said during his 2016 campaign that we need 1,000 miles of wall, far more than he ended up building.
- He said he forced Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, the Democratic vice presidential candidate, to deploy the National Guard during civil unrest in Minneapolis in 2020. In fact, Walz deployed the National Guard before Trump pressured him to do so.
- He said Venezuela is taking all of their criminals and people from mental institutions and bringing them to the US. Experts say there is no evidence for this claim.
- He said Houston has the only refinery in the world that can handle Venezuelan oil. Venezuelan oil.Seriously. How much hatred does someone need to harbor for America to vote (or not vote) in any way that might, however remote the risk, result in a Trump election victory or the election victory of anyone else in his Loony, America-hating Repub MAGA Party?
I have three that I think with current state of population, technology advancement, and blindspot that currently not addressed in the constitution.
Proposal A: Change the electoral college to popular vote system, 50%+1.
Reasonings: The electoral college was set up so that large cities with information flowing slowly to the rural areas would not dominate rural citizens every election. Ideally not having only a few states to determine the outcome. In the 20th century, it was argued that the middle of the country would be disadvantage because election campaigns would only need to campaign in the outer perimeters of the country. Problem with this argument is that now we ACTUALLY have a few states deciding the outcome and with less representation of the populace. I believe we are in a good enough technological advancement that there are no real advantages of high population centers determining outcomes as it once did. News / Information is available within seconds as opposed to the past of newspapers lagging at least a day.
Proposal be: NO family members can serve in presidential admininstration, 1st cousins included.
Proposal see: No Elected members of congress / senate; President / Vice President; Supreme Court Justices can receive gifts from ANY person or business. All side hussle earnings will be donated to the treasury with neutral tax ramafication. One exception to this rule is proceeds from book sales will go to the author. All salary of elected officials are tax exempted. All incomes derived from investments shall be managed in a blind trust and tax exempt until leave of office.
Why are you running for a position in the Federal Government if you're not there to protect and improve the lives of its citizens? I think with these changes, you'll have more honorable people in government.I would go with:
- Abolish the Electoral College, whoever gets the most votes wins (some may not reach 50% + 1).
- No Gerrymanding of House districts by partisan Party officials.
- Number of Senate Seats determined by state population of human beings, not the number of rattlesnakes, tumble weeds and outhouses.
- No term limits on any elected office.
- Term limits on appointed positions; the Supreme Court Justices.
- Major reform and restrictions on Big Money, Corporate campaign donations.
But we know most of these things will never happen in our lifetimes or the lifetimes of people born yesterday:
Constitutional Amendment Process.
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution
The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.We would need a Dem in the WH and Dems to control at least two thirds of the House and Senate. Mainstream Media will never allow that to happen again after all the Great Things were accomplished for America when we had a Dem in the WH and Dem ratios like that in Congress before or very close to it.
And none of those red states with more rattlesnakes, tumble weeds and outhouses than human beings is going to agree to that critically important popular vote, Senate Seat and gerrymandering stuff.
As a pro Repub, pro Trump, pretend "bothsider / neithersider", what has your preferred 2025 potus, Donald Trump, proposed as his plan for what his MAGAs are screaming for; lower costs for rent, food and gas?
We know the usual Repub plan to accomplish those results; drive the USA Economy into a Great Depression / Great Recession and Wipe Out a few million jobs. Same solution for Trump this time?
And I have heard him say "drill baby drill" will drive down the cost of rent, etc. How so? And how much more drilling and oil production should Biden have done beyond the record high amounts, achieving true oil-related energy independence for the first time during his presidency, to lower somebody's rent?
And, please, only cite Trump's perfectly sane solutions for lowering the cost of somebody's rent, food and gas.Yes, that's what I am! A Pretend Bothsider! A Pretend Neither Sider! MAGA to the core! What a relief to finally know! This must be what a pretend gay transvestite brought up by a same sex couple in San Francisco feels like when he finally realizes he's straight. And can finally go bang some women instead of dressing up in women's clothes and acting all effeminate! I can’t wait for my first Trump Rally! Maybe there will be another riot in the Capitol and I can go! Thank you Tooms for making me self aware!
Trump's proposed additional tariffs will be bad for inflation, and bad but less so for employment and GDP growth. Having borrowed lots of money in his career, and having repaid only some of it, he has no fear of running up the national debt. Or of politicizing the Fed and manipulating interest rates. I think that's a negative but who knows. Maybe he'll figure out a way to default on the national debt and we'll be debt free!
But yes, Kamala is worse. She doesn't know jack about the world outside of government. If she's able to do so, she'll jack up taxes and jack up government spending. And impose price controls! If she's like Biden, she'll be inclined to run the national debt up even more than Trump would, and will continue the Trump / Biden tariff regime. She'll try to regulate business into the ground. She's probably more likely to get us into a war. The woman's an existential threat to domestic oil and gas. She wanted to ban fracking! The price controls is the icing on the cake. And the ***** took away my backpage and wants to put me in jail for banging hookers. Contrast that with Trump who got those hookers to piss on Obama's bed in Moscow. Donald Trump is the Monger's Best Friend!
My vote will go to Chase Oliver.
Yes, that's what I am! A Pretend Bothsider! A Pretend Neither Sider! MAGA to the core! What a relief to finally know! This must be what a pretend gay transvestite brought up by a same sex couple in San Francisco feels like when he finally realizes he's straight. And can finally go bang some women instead of dressing up in women's clothes and acting all effeminate! I cant wait for my first Trump Rally! Maybe there will be another riot in the Capitol and I can go! Thank you Tooms for making me self aware!
Trump's proposed additional tariffs will be bad for inflation, and bad but less so for employment and GDP growth. Having borrowed lots of money in his career, and having repaid only some of it, he has no fear of running up the national debt. Or of politicizing the Fed and manipulating interest rates. I think that's a negative but who knows. Maybe he'll figure out a way to default on the national debt and we'll be debt free!
But yes, Kamala is worse. She doesn't know jack about the world outside of government. If she's able to do so, she'll jack up taxes and jack up government spending. And impose price controls! If she's like Biden, she'll be inclined to run the national debt up even more than Trump would, and will continue the Trump / Biden tariff regime. She'll try to regulate business into the ground. She's probably more likely to get us into a war. The woman's an existential threat to domestic oil and gas. She wanted to ban fracking! The price controls is the icing on the cake. And the ***** took away my backpage and wants to put me in jail for banging hookers. Contrast that with Trump who got those hookers to piss on Obama's bed in Moscow. Donald Trump is the Monger's Best Friend!
My vote will go to Chase Oliver.You mean you will in at least some small way help Trump win the election by voting for Chase Oliver, right?
Other than to increase name recognotion, network for another job and so on, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, etc challenger to the Incumbent Party candidate gets in the race for one reason; to take votes away ftom the Incumbent Party candidate and help somebody else (or himself) win.
Even Chase Oliver knows very well a vote for him helps the next most blatantly obvious possible "winner" win.
And it ain't him.
It is Donald Trump.
But you already know that very, very well too.
As a pro Repub, pro Trump, pretend "bothsider / neithersider",
Is that a fancy way of saying, "Republican Libertarian"?
Wait for it...I'm pretty sure the dreaded, "You're a partisan Democrat" is coming! (...kkkk!)
... what has your preferred 2025 potus, Donald Trump, proposed as his plan for what his MAGAs are screaming for; lower costs for rent, food and gas?
We know the usual Repub plan to accomplish those results; drive the USA Economy into a Great Depression / Great Recession and Wipe Out a few million jobs. Same solution for Trump this time?
I am also pretty sure, judging from the "negative" MAGA campaign being ran by tweedledum and tweedledee, they are simply wanting until the Dems announce what issues and policies they'll be supporting, soon to follow with the "no nothing" MAGA campaign, suddenly having "policies/issues", which of course, mirrors everything "against" what the Dems stand for or support.
And I have heard him say "drill baby drill" will drive down the cost of rent, etc. How so? And how much more drilling and oil production should Biden have done beyond the record high amounts, achieving true oil-related energy independence for the first time during his presidency, to lower somebody's rent?
And, please, only cite Trump's perfectly sane solutions for lowering the cost of somebody's rent, food and gas. Yeah, good luck with a credible answer from, tweedledum and tweedledee, other than "drill baby drill".
You mean you will in at least some small way help Trump win the election by voting for Chase Oliver, right?
Other than to increase name recognotion, network for another job and so on, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, etc challenger to the Incumbent Party candidate gets in the race for one reason; to take votes away ftom the Incumbent Party candidate and help somebody else (or himself) win.
Even Chase Oliver knows very well a vote for him helps the next most blatantly obvious possible "winner" win.
And it ain't him.
It is Donald Trump.
But you already know that very, very well too.It's the other way around. If you put a gun to my head and tell me I have to vote for Trump or Harris, I'll vote for Trump. Six months ago, faced with a similar demand for Trump vs. Biden, I would have said, "Pull the trigger. " But Harris' judgement is worse than Biden's. And furthermore the worst fears of Trump's critics would never be realized. American institutions and old age would prevent him from stealing an election. He's probably less likely to get us into a war than Kamala.
A Serious Book Recommendation for Elvis and Tiny
The world's non Repub MAGAs already know all about this and don't really need to read or listen to this book to know everything in it.
But it would no doubt come as a total shock for low information suc, er I mean, emotion-driven cult-followers, er I mean "conservatives" to realize what was done to them:
Ministry of Truth.
Democracy, Reality, and the Republicans' War on the Recent Past.
https://www.msnbc.com/ministryoftruth
Ministry of Truth: Democracy, Reality, and the Republicans War on the Recent Past.
http://www.publishersweekly.com/9780063393677ROTFLMAO! Hilarious, Rachel Maddow's editor wrote a book called Ministry of Truth. With reference to his and Rachel's body of work, he should have called it "Ministry of Propaganda."
Anybody with half a brain knows that if Trump's mouth is open, he's often lying. Elvis, who has a big brain, knows this, although he sees enough good in Trump, and bad in Harris, to support him.
Rachel Maddow is just as big a liar as Trump. Her delivery however is much smoother. I may have seen more of her on MSNBC than you have. She can weave a convincing story, complete with her glib, smiling delivery. Undoubtedly if you favor Democratic Politicians, you have a warm, superior, sanctimonious kind of feeling after watching her show. Often she's convincing. But after Googling some of her more credible sounding stories, I can say she's a master of misrepresentation.
Too bad she's just on once a week now. That was a major fuckup on the part of MSNBC. I'd always tune in to her show over Fox or CNN when she was on.
Does MAGA's own tweedledum and tweedledee have solutions to high prices?
Is that a fancy way of saying, "Republican Libertarian"?
Wait for it...I'm pretty sure the dreaded, "You're a partisan Democrat" is coming! (...kkkk!)
I am also pretty sure, judging from the "negative" MAGA campaign being ran by tweedledum and tweedledee, they are simply wanting until the Dems announce what issues and policies they'll be supporting, soon to follow with the "no nothing" MAGA campaign, suddenly having "policies/issues", which of course, mirrors everything "against" what the Dems stand for or support.
Yeah, good luck with a credible answer from, tweedledum and tweedledee, other than "drill baby drill".Why yes we do. Cut out the excessive fiscal stimulus when the economy is doing well. Keep interest rates high. Shrink the Fed's balance sheet.
The best way of course is not to create conditions that lead to inflation. As the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board writes today,
"The economy in January 2021 was fast recovering from the pandemic as vaccines rolled out and state lockdowns eased. GDP grew 34.8% in the third quarter of 2020 ,4.2% in the fourth, and 5.2% in the first quarter of 2021. By the end of that first quarter, real GDP had returned to its pre-pandemic high. All Mr. Biden had to do was let the recovery unfold."
So what do the Dumb Ass Democrats do? Pass out $1.9 trillion in handouts, fiscal stimulus that kicked off inflation. And then they followed it up with other legislation that increased the debt and added to the stimulus. The government spent a lot of money that provided less benefit to Americans than if it were spent and saved by the private sector.
Other points:
Don't overregulate, like Biden did. A Mercatus study estimates a 10% increase in total regulations led to a 0. 687 percent increase in consumer prices.
Don't lockdown economies for long stretches. If you do, you'll create shortages and logistical nightmares that contribute to inflation.
If Dumb Ass Democrats are going to overdo the stimulus, the Fed should step in with more restrictive monetary policy instead of sitting on its ass and twiddling its thumbs.
Don't increase tariffs, which increase prices. Instead lower them, which Biden didn't do.
Don't impose sanctions on large oil exporters, especially when oil prices are high. Too bad our politicians didn't push peace in Ukraine instead of throwing gasoline on the fire. If the war could have been nipped in the bud, oil, coal, LNG and grain prices wouldn't have shot skywards.
Put Libertarian Republicans, like Rand Paul, Jeff Flake and Justin Amash in positions of power, instead of Dumb Ass Spendthrifts like Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Donald Trump, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi.
It should be clear from the context above, but "Dumb Ass Democrats" refers to politicians. I don't believe you, EhiTooms, Xpartan et al are dumb asses. You are sadly misguided.
And stop calling us Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb or I'm going to call you and Tooms Beavis and Butthead. And as you apparently have decided to get into the same corner with Hugo Chavez, Nicolas Maduro, Cristina Kirchner, Kamala Harris, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter and Stalin on price controls, you're going to be Butthead. Too bad some people (e.g. Kamala Harris) don't learn from history.
And stop calling us Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb or I'm going to call you and Tooms Beavis and Butthead. And as you apparently have decided to get into the same corner with Hugo Chavez, Nicolas Maduro, Cristina Kirchner, Kamala Harris, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter and Stalin on price controls, you're going to be Butthead. Too bad some people (e.g. Kamala Harris) don't learn from history.
What on earth are you taking about? Are you suffering from an identity complex or something?
Why are you assuming tweedledum and tweedledee is you and whoever else you've assumed it to be, since I clearly state that tweedledum and tweedledee are the Repubs at the head of the MAGA "no nothing" campaign running for office.
It should be clear from the context above, but "Dumb Ass Democrats" refers to politicians. I don't believe you, EhiTooms, Xpartan et al are dumb asses. You are sadly misguided. (...kkkk!) Perhaps you should read your own advice!
Here let me remind you, of what I wrote:
I am also pretty sure, judging from the "negative" MAGA campaign being ran by tweedledum and tweedledee, they are simply wanting until the Dems announce what issues and policies they'll be supporting, soon to follow with the "no nothing" MAGA campaign, suddenly having "policies/issues", which of course, mirrors everything "against" what the Dems stand for or support.
So when did you (and whoever else your delusion extends to) become the candidate(s) running the Repub/MAGA "no nothing" campaign for the 2024 Presidential Election???
I know you think very highly of yourself (as should we all), but c'mon dude!
Why yes we do. Cut out the excessive fiscal stimulus when the economy is doing well. Keep interest rates high. Shrink the Fed's balance sheet.
The best way of course is not to create conditions that lead to inflation. As the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board writes today,
"The economy in January 2021 was fast recovering from the pandemic as vaccines rolled out and state lockdowns eased. GDP grew 34.8% in the third quarter of 2020 ,4.2% in the fourth, and 5.2% in the first quarter of 2021. By the end of that first quarter, real GDP had returned to its pre-pandemic high. All Mr. Biden had to do was let the recovery unfold."
So what do the Dumb Ass Democrats do? Pass out $1.9 trillion in handouts, fiscal stimulus that kicked off inflation. And then they followed it up with other legislation that increased the debt and added to the stimulus. The government spent a lot of money that provided less benefit to Americans than if it were spent and saved by the private sector.
Not so "dumb" after all, since the Biden/Harris stellar stewardship and great governing, has inflation at an all time low, since Biden signed the $1.9 Tillion IRA, producing the best economy in the G7 and industrial countries since the pandemic.
"Folks, inflation has fallen below 3%, its lowest level since March 2021. Prices are still too high, and we have more work to do to lower costs for hardworking Americans -- but were making real progress, with wages rising faster than prices for 17 months in a row," Biden posted on X. {....One day ago Aug 15th, 2024}
So check your math, but America has one of the best, if not the best economy in the world. So thanks much, for the "Monday morning quarterbacking", but I think Biden and Harris, has for the most part, got this one in the bag.
Thanks President Biden, Thanks Veep Harris!
Other points:
Don't overregulate, like Biden did. A Mercatus study estimates a 10% increase in total regulations led to a 0. 687 percent increase in consumer prices.
Don't lockdown economies for long stretches. If you do, you'll create shortages and logistical nightmares that contribute to inflation.
If Dumb Ass Democrats are going to overdo the stimulus, the Fed should step in with more restrictive monetary policy instead of sitting on its ass and twiddling its thumbs.
Don't increase tariffs, which increase prices. Instead lower them, which Biden didn't do.
Don't impose sanctions on large oil exporters, especially when oil prices are high. Too bad our politicians didn't push peace in Ukraine instead of throwing gasoline on the fire. If the war could have been nipped in the bud, oil, coal, LNG and grain prices wouldn't have shot skywards. Hey, as you've proclaimed and said, "...the world is not going to come to an end, if Harris is in office". She and Walz, my even surprise you and extend the exceptionally Biden/Harris growing economy, labor, business and stock market wins.
It surely can't be any worse than Tweedledums' four years in office, since she'll be inheriting another great Dem economy and having been familiar with Biden's great economic team, again stewarding America going forward, is just icing on the cake.
It surely can't be any worse than Tweedledums' four years in office, since she'll be inheriting another great Dem economy and having been familiar with Biden's great economic team, again stewarding America going forward, is just icing on the cake.I thought you were referring to me, the "Libertarian Republican" Tooms was replying to, as one of the Tweedle twins, and perhaps Elvis as the other. And awaiting a reply from us as to what to do about inflation. I was curious why you thought we were running the Republican presidential campaign. I now know that Tweedle Dumb is Trump, but still am not 100% sure who Tweedle Dee is. J.D. Vance? Lara Trump?
Apologies for threatening to call you Butthead. If it helps, it was an empty threat that I never intended to implement. You are a respected, though misguided board member.
Why yes we do. Cut out the excessive fiscal stimulus when the economy is doing well. Keep interest rates high. Shrink the Fed's balance sheet.
The best way of course is not to create conditions that lead to inflation. As the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board writes today,
"The economy in January 2021 was fast recovering from the pandemic as vaccines rolled out and state lockdowns eased. GDP grew 34.8% in the third quarter of 2020 ,4.2% in the fourth, and 5.2% in the first quarter of 2021. By the end of that first quarter, real GDP had returned to its pre-pandemic high. All Mr. Biden had to do was let the recovery unfold."
So what do the Dumb Ass Democrats do? Pass out $1.9 trillion in handouts, fiscal stimulus that kicked off inflation. And then they followed it up with other legislation that increased the debt and added to the stimulus. The government spent a lot of money that provided less benefit to Americans than if it were spent and saved by the private sector.
Other points:
Don't overregulate, like Biden did. A Mercatus study estimates a 10% increase in total regulations led to a 0. 687 percent increase in consumer prices.
Don't lockdown economies for long stretches. If you do, you'll create shortages and logistical nightmares that contribute to inflation.
If Dumb Ass Democrats are going to overdo the stimulus, the Fed should step in with more restrictive monetary policy instead of sitting on its ass and twiddling its thumbs.
Don't increase tariffs, which increase prices. Instead lower them, which Biden didn't do.
Don't impose sanctions on large oil exporters, especially when oil prices are high. Too bad our politicians didn't push peace in Ukraine instead of throwing gasoline on the fire. If the war could have been nipped in the bud, oil, coal, LNG and grain prices wouldn't have shot skywards.
Put Libertarian Republicans, like Rand Paul, Jeff Flake and Justin Amash in positions of power, instead of Dumb Ass Spendthrifts like Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Donald Trump, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi.
It should be clear from the context above, but "Dumb Ass Democrats" refers to politicians. I don't believe you, EhiTooms, Xpartan et al are dumb asses. You are sadly misguided.
And stop calling us Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb or I'm going to call you and Tooms Beavis and Butthead. And as you apparently have decided to get into the same corner with Hugo Chavez, Nicolas Maduro, Cristina Kirchner, Kamala Harris, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter and Stalin on price controls, you're going to be Butthead. Too bad some people (e.g. Kamala Harris) don't learn from history.Haven't you heard? Extreme emergency measures RIGHT NOW AND TODAY are necessary and there is really no other way to fix this GROWING PROBLEM.
And this comes directly from the presidential candidate you are hell bent to put back in the White House ASAP. After all, as you and the Murdoch WSJ Editorial Board will testify, Trump never demands unnecessary, extreme measures be taken about anything like keeping those Early Warning / Pandemic Prevention teams in those Chinese labs after September 2019.
No extreme measures, until now, that is. And that is why he promises to become a Dictator on day one and call all the shots on everything. No nutty extremist he. Much more sane and reasonable than Harris.
But Harris' solutions are really unavoidable. It would be irresponsible for Trump not to be behind her plan beyond 100% like the percentage of jobs his stable genius brain told him and then us illegal immigrants took of the jobs Biden-Harris created this year.
It would be irresponsible for Trump not to back Harris' plan beyond 100% TODAY because, as everybody at the WSJ and everywhere else knows, "Bacon has gone up 300%! Nobody can buy bacon anymore! Nobody can buy Cheerios anymore! Nobody can buy groceries! Nobody can buy anything or do anything"!.
Consequently, this really is the only thing a responsible potus can do:
Harris outlines 'opportunity economy' centered on cutting housing, family costs..
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/16/kamala-harris-economic-policy.html?__source=androidappshare
Vice President Kamala Harris outlined her plan to create an opportunity economy by focusing on lowering the costs of food, housing, health care and childcare.
Her plan includes a federal ban on price gouging on groceries, a new $6,000 child tax credit for families with newborns and a $25,000 boost for first-time home buyers.
Harris framed her plan in stark contrast to the proposals put forward by her Republican rival, former President Donald Trump.
To whatever extent Government Spending contributed to Trump's Pandemic Inflation (turns out in this case not all that much), Trump's government spending in 2020, well before Biden passed his American Rescue Plan Act, dwarfs that of 2021 and ever since.
Biden's legislation would only account for a fraction of a fraction of the Inflation Trump's Pandemic, his tarrifs on imported goods and his pre 2021 government spending caused.
And if that smidgen more inflation contributed to by Biden's brilliant recovery policies and stewardship prevented us and the rest of the world from another Great Repub Depression and a very hard Repub Crash Landing post-Trump's Pandemic, I can only add, "Thanks again, Joe and Kamsla. ":
"Thanks to the insane tax-and-spending spree of President Joe Biden and Democrats in Washington, we are seeing six straight months of raging inflation."
MOSTLY FALSE.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/29/rick-scott/blame-joe-biden-inflation-most-government-spending/
Theres no question that high levels of government spending can fuel inflation. But the spending that has occurred since Biden took office, primarily through the American Rescue Plan, accounts for just a part of new government spending over the past 18 months.
Other potential factors are also at play in raising prices: short-term supply interruptions, labor shortages, tariffs on imported goods, or simply the cyclical growth in consumer demand when the economy is recovering from a downturn.
Allan Lichtman is the man referenced here whose 13 Keys to the White House system has accurately predicted 10 out of 10 presidential election winners since 1984, with that same 13 Keys system proving accurate if applied to elections going back to 1860.
Yes, those 10 out of 10 that he accurately predicted since 1984 includes his prediction that Al Gore would win in 2000. He proved in 2001 that the 2000 election was a stolen election here:
U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.
Voting Irregularities in Florida During the 2000 Presidential Election.
https://www.usccr.gov/files/pubs/vote2000/report/exesum.htm
And just today he posted this 10 minute video recapping the egregious violations of tens of thousands of Florida's Gore voters' Rights by rejecting their clear and unambiguous intention to cast a vote for Al Gore:
https://youtu.be/D57mZejswkI?si=CmcFXcyTrX2NAnC9
My god. Thousands of African American voters' ballots were rejected in Jeb Bush's Florida for a punched ballot next to Al Gore's name and writing in his name, probably just to make sure their vote for Gore was counted despite a potential "hanging Chad" or incomplete punch-through.
Shh. Don't tell Larry Summers, the WSJ or any MAGA about this.
If they had gotten their way, we would still be suffering in the midst of another Global Repub Great Depression with everyone without a job and no money in their pockets thanks to Trump's Pandemic waiting patiently for global and domestic manufacturers and shippers to fire up their factories, trucks and ships to make and ship stuff for "customers" without a job and no money in their pockets while manufacturers and shippers are waiting patiently for money to somehow miraculously appear in non existent "customers" pockets miraculously generating demand for the yet to be manufactured and shipped products.
Othwise known as "Repub Economic Policy that has produced every major economic downturn of the past 100 years".
A U.S. construction boom is sending rents lower and creating perks for renters.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/14/heres-where-rent-concessions-are-happening-the-most-in-the-us-.html?__source=androidappshare
Rents are still high because of how much prices climbed during the pandemic, said Chen Zhao, who leads the economics team at Redfin. But now, rent growth has flattened, which can be seen as good news for renters, she said.
.........
"When wages are rising rapidly, that helps to support housing demand, said Divounguy. As the labor market loosens, we expect the rental market to continue to loosen.
Wages are growing 4% to 5% year over year, said Zhao: Thats good. That means that rents are actually falling relative to wages. Your wages are increasing more than rents are.
The world's non Repub MAGAs already know all about this and don't really need to read or listen to this book to know everything in it.
But it would no doubt come as a total shock for low information suc, er I mean, emotion-driven cult-followers, er I mean "conservatives" to realize what was done to them:
Ministry of Truth.
Democracy, Reality, and the Republicans' War on the Recent Past.
https://www.msnbc.com/ministryoftruth
Ministry of Truth: Democracy, Reality, and the Republicans War on the Recent Past.
http://www.publishersweekly.com/9780063393677Great find, BTW!
What struck me the most, was the revelation about the lying, why he's a serial habitual liar and how it all ties back to the Access Hollywood Tape scandal. Considering that his 34 felony convictions also centered around the events of the AH tape scandal, it's not hard to fathom, why so much of the understanding about who Trump is, can be garnered from this single event.
His Lying and Why He Lies Revealed:
In the infamous Access Hollywood interview with Billy Bush, where Trump later said, when the cameras were off:
Newsweek version: "Billy, look...you just tell them and they believe it. That's it! You just tell them and they believe. They just do!"
Or TRMS version: "People will just believe you. You just tell them, and they believe you."
In other words, he sees most of people that he flogs his lies to, as idiots. Full well knowing, that what he's says is mostly lies. But because he has no respect for other people and believes most people are just idiots, and since most idiots don't think for themselves, is ample reason why he thinks that they're going to believe him.
So weather by hook or by crook, or by "Jedi mind trick", Trumps delusional and wrapped universal belief is, that when he tell people something, they just believe, just because he's saying it. Needless to say the gullible GOP/Repubs, bought into the "Jedi mind trick", hook, line and sinker, with them being associated a leader known as a serial lair and them, branded and labeled as a party of liars!
The latest of course, is the drama queen's fixation on "crowd size" and his reactionary lies, "TELLING" the public (he believes to be idiots), that his rallies were bigger, when the entire country knows he lying, save of course the Repubs/QAnon/MAGA brainwashed cult.
There is of course, a method to his madness of lies, but that's another story, for another post, I'll have to circle-back to.
But this tired old schtick, he thinks he has going on, and the "Jedi Mind Trick" not what it used to be, since Americans have had 8-years (4-in & 4 out of office) to suss him out, it has become plainly transparent to see, that his time is coming to a close and Americans are ready to move on, to four (4) more years of joy and growth with Harris/Walz in White House.
The demonstrably Winger-leaning polling site, RealClearPolitics, has now shifted the Battleground State of Arizona from the Trump side of their No Toss-Up States Electoral College Map to the Harris side.
They have not quite yet shifted the other important Battleground State of Pennsylvania from Trump to Harris. But that might happen in a matter of days or hours because they do show it to be tied between Trump and Harris as of this writing. See screenshots below:
https://www.realclearpolling.com/elections/president/2024/battleground-states/2024/battleground-states
Harris now leads Trump in the Consensus of both the Head-to-Head and 5-Way races on RCP while Trump is still hanging onto about as nominal a lead as you can have in the overall Battleground States, at +0. 1 point. At this writing, that nominal lead is due to him only hanging onto leads in Nevada, North Carolina and Georgia by 1 to 1. 3 percentage point.
Oh, and the 538 Site already has Harris ahead of Trump Nationally and in the important Battleground States of WI, MI and PA.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/
Of course, I only mention these interesting details in passing for those who are interested in polls.
Or used to be.
To whatever extent Government Spending contributed to Trump's Pandemic Inflation (turns out in this case not all that much), Trump's government spending in 2020, well before Biden passed his American Rescue Plan Act, dwarfs that of 2021 and ever since.
Biden's legislation would only account for a fraction of a fraction of the Inflation Trump's Pandemic, his tarrifs on imported goods and his pre 2021 government spending caused.
And if that smidgen more inflation contributed to by Biden's brilliant recovery policies and stewardship prevented us and the rest of the world from another Great Repub Depression and a very hard Repub Crash Landing post-Trump's Pandemic, I can only add, "Thanks again, Joe and Kamsla. ":
"Thanks to the insane tax-and-spending spree of President Joe Biden and Democrats in Washington, we are seeing six straight months of raging inflation."
MOSTLY FALSE.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/29/rick-scott/blame-joe-biden-inflation-most-government-spending/You come down with cancer. It's curable, but you have to undergo chemo. The chemo is rough. Your hair falls out, and you get sick every time you eat. You go from a strapping 180 pounds all the way down to 120 pounds. But good news! The chemo worked and you're cured! The cancer is gone! Not only that, a group of researchers, including your doctor, came up with a vaccine that will prevent people in the future from getting the cancer, or at least reduce the effects in those who do.
A team consisting of your doctor, some nurses and a dietician design your diet and meals and supervise your eating with a view towards getting your weight back up. Soon you're eating high on the hog. T-bone steak, lobster, mango with sticky rice, you name it. You're back up to 150 pounds! Now it's 165 pounds! You're gaining weight more rapidly than anyone on your team dreamed!
The dietician sees the writing on the wall. If you don't slow down, you're going to get fat. She recommends that your daily calorie consumption be cut from 5,000 calories a day back to 3,000. But the doctor and nurses nix that idea, and in order to comply with hospital policy about taking the dietician seriously, agree to cut your diet to 4500 calories a day.
Another few months and you're back to fighting weight, 180 pounds, smack dab where you were before you got the cancer! Your doctor gets replaced, as does your dietician. Your slim and trim dietician is replaced by Chuck Schumer. Your old team would have advised you to go back to a normal diet. But not the new guys! Some of your doctors highly respected colleagues tell him you need to cut back. But he ignores them. 4500 Calories is not enough! Continue on Tooms, only with 6,000 calories a day!
Before you know it, you're at 220 pounds. And that wouldn't be bad if you'd added muscle. But instead you're flabby from all the saturated fat and rich desserts and now you have heart disease.
While you're very bright, you become dense when confronted with the reality of Progressive Democratic policies, so I shall explain explicitly.
In this parable, you are the economy.
The first doctor is Donald Trump.
The Cancer is the COVID epidemic. The doctor did not cause the cancer. That's just something you cooked up when you were in some kind of delirium because of malnourishment and cancer.
The vaccine that your doctor (Trump) played a part in developing, that will go on to save many others from your type of cancer, is the mRNA COVID vaccine.
Your weight is GDP. It contracts greatly, then bounces back rapidly. By the end of the first quarter of 2021, it's back to where it was when the cancer treatment started.
The nurses are House Democrats, led by Nancy Pelosi.
The food is stimulus spending.
The first dietician is Mitch McConnell and Senate Republicans. Trump and Pelosi and Democrats wanted to hand out $1900 to most men, women and children in December, 2020. McConnell and Senate Republicans made them back off to $1400.
The second president is Joe Biden, and the second dietician is Chuck Schumer.
Your doctor's highly respected colleagues, who were begging him not to increase your diet to 6,000 calories per day when you were back to your pre-cancer weight are respected Democrat economists Larry Summers and Jason Furman.
I hope you enjoyed my parable, and learned something from it.
Elvis 2008
08-17-24, 21:40
To whatever extent Government Spending contributed to Trump's Pandemic Inflation (turns out in this case not all that much), Trump's government spending in 2020, well before Biden passed his American Rescue Plan Act, dwarfs that of 2021 and ever since.
Biden's legislation would only account for a fraction of a fraction of the Inflation Trump's Pandemic, his tarrifs on imported goods and his pre 2021 government spending caused.When I use the term Democratic douche, this is why I do so. Trump and Biden both engaged in massive borrowing and spending and when Trump does it, it somehow is bad and when Biden does it, it is great.
And if that smidgen more inflation contributed to by Biden's brilliant recovery policies and stewardship prevented us and the rest of the world from another Great Repub Depression and a very hard Repub Crash Landing post-Trump's Pandemic, I can only add, "Thanks again, Joe and Kamsla. ":There is nothing to applaud with Bidenomics. Inflation is down because of the Fed DESPITE Biden's spending. The problem with that is when you make borrowing costs higher to lower prices, you do so by cutting demand.
The deficit is projected to be $2. 2 trillion. Of that, $1. 6 trillion is projected to be interest payments on the debt. When you are racking up huge credit card debt and you are paying 25% of your income to pay down those credit cards, that is nothing to be proud of.
The government / both political parties freaked out, made Covid into this huge deal instead of calmly and logically reflecting on it. All of a sudden a virus with a death rate at worst twice the rate of the common cold was a reason to go $10 trillion in debt. All the government was doing was printing up money and using that to compensate for the fall in demand. That is not brilliant. It is stupid, and the taxpayer still pays in the end. It is just in the form of inflation versus taxation.
And you are bragging about the rate of inflation being down now? Big fucking deal. You do not live here. Prices are so fucking high and conditions are so bad people are not spending money like they used to. You do not see the stores closing right and left. You do not see the desperation on the part of restaurants like McDonald's cutting prices.
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Food/mcdonalds-sets-numbers-straight-exaggerated-prices-social-media/story?id=110676473
You also do not see restaurant chains going under.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/italian-restaurant-chain-files-chapter-11-bankruptcy
Buca di Beppo's bankruptcy filing marks the latest in the restaurant industry this year.
In recent months, Tijuana Flats, Red Lobster and Rubio's Coastal Grill have each entered Chapter 11 bankruptcy proceedings.
And here you have the perfect headline to describe this mess:
https://www.salon.com/2024/05/28/major-restaurant-chains-are-cutting-menu-prices-due-to-high-costs-decrease-in-consumer-demand/
Major restaurant chains are cutting menu prices due to high food costs, decrease in consumer demand.
And when you have decreased prices due to falling demand, that is not something to applaud. The word for that is not recession but depression.
Gee, thanks again, Joe and Kamala. Let's make sure we blame all this on those greedy food companies instead of government's own insane spending. Yeesh.
Kamala Harris is a dumb *****. Leave it to a Progressive Democratic politician to come up with a plan that will create a black market in milk. If she plans to enforce the price controls on the supermarkets, then given they only have 2% margins, they'll go out of business. Welcome to Venezuela!
We wrote Friday that Kamala Harris was likely to continue President Biden's unfinished Build Back Better agenda, but it turns out we were far too optimistic. The policy priorities the Vice President laid out Friday are much worse, including a plan to impose national price controls on food and groceries.
Ms. Harris's political problem is that the Biden-Harris economic policies have delivered inflation and declining real incomes. The high price of food is a particular sore point, and the Vice President's response is to make it worse by resorting to Venezuelan-style left-wing populism. That's no exaggeration.
On Friday she floated a "first-ever federal ban on price gouging on food and groceries," including "new authority" for the Federal Trade Commission and state attorneys general to punish companies for charging too much.
This sounds like legislation introduced by Sen. Elizabeth Warren that would ban "grossly excessive prices" as determined by the Federal Trade Commission. Business violations would carry a penalty of up to 5% of annual revenue. This would effectively let the FTC set prices. But what is an excessive price? Is $4 too much for a gallon of milk in Omaha? Is it a different price in Miami? FTC Chair Lina Khan and her army of bureaucrats would presumably decide.
There is also no evidence that supermarkets or other food retailers are gouging anyone. Food prices are higher than they were before the Biden Presidency, but that is because of inflation. Retail grocery prices have risen roughly in tandem with wholesale prices. Supermarkets also have narrow margins on sales roughly 2%, compared to 8% on average for other businesses.
Fixing prices is a recipe for shortages, as controls would discourage grocery suppliers. Voil, empty store shelves. Price controls have led to shortages everywhere they've been tried, from Moscow to Caracas.
The Biden-Harris inflation has made homes unaffordable for most young families, and her brainstorm for that is. . . More subsidies. Ms. Harris wants $25,000 in down-payment assistance for "first-time" home buyers. But this would merely drive home prices higher. States and localities mainly regulate housing, but Ms. Harris wants to federalize it with a bonanza of Washington programs to encourage "affordable" home construction.
Ms. Harris has endorsed the Biden plan to condition tax breaks for developers on rent caps, which will discourage new housing investment. No state has spent more on housing than her native California, yet it has the nation's highest home prices. As a result of sundry regulations, it costs more than $1 million to build an "affordable" housing unit in the Golden State.
We could go on about her other ideas, such as her embrace of Mr. Biden's $5 trillion in tax increases. But the ideas she claimed as her own Friday reveal a candidate whose economic judgment is deeply flawed.
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/kamala-harris-economic-plan-price-controls-housing-child-tax-credit-richard-nixon-a37e08b4?mod=opinion_lead_pos1
Allan Lichtman is the man referenced here whose 13 Keys to the White House system has accurately predicted 10 out of 10 presidential election winners since 1984, with that same 13 Keys system proving accurate if applied to elections going back to 1860.
Yes, those 10 out of 10 that he accurately predicted since 1984 includes his prediction that Al Gore would win in 2000. He proved in 2001 that the 2000 election was a stolen election here:
U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.
Voting Irregularities in Florida During the 2000 Presidential Election.
https://www.usccr.gov/files/pubs/vote2000/report/exesum.htm
And just today he posted this 10 minute video recapping the egregious violations of tens of thousands of Florida's Gore voters' Rights by rejecting their clear and unambiguous intention to cast a vote for Al Gore:
https://youtu.be/D57mZejswkI?si=CmcFXcyTrX2NAnC9
My god. Thousands of African American voters' ballots were rejected in Jeb Bush's Florida for a punched ballot next to Al Gore's name and writing in his name, probably just to make sure their vote for Gore was counted despite a potential "hanging Chad" or incomplete punch-through.Your absolutely right, it is pretty egregious!
Lichtman is right, it was stolen! Is it any wonder why, Trump has been targeting, all of the Black and Brown counties and communities, in the key battleground states, and lying, claiming widespread election fraud? With the intent of pulling the same false narratives w/r to those communities votes being "rejected".
YES, indeed the stolen 2000 Election due to the fraudulent rejection of votes in Florida, was IMHO, the blue print for Repubs and Trump. It was the testing ground and proof positive, that if we (Repubs) at attack, disenfranchise and destroy, these Black and Brown minority communities ability to vote, grants us a clearer path to victory.
The 2000 Election is definitely a great case great, for those studying, Constitution and Voting Rights Election Laws. But serves as a reminder, that cases like this, is THE ONLY WAY, that Repubs know how to win, as this same scenario, is played out in different battle ground states, each election cycle.
The world's non Repub MAGAs already know all about this and don't really need to read or listen to this book to know everything in it.
But it would no doubt come as a total shock for low information suc, er I mean, emotion-driven cult-followers, er I mean "conservatives" to realize what was done to them:
Ministry of Truth.
Democracy, Reality, and the Republicans' War on the Recent Past.
https://www.msnbc.com/ministryoftruth
I didn't see this initially on the MSNBC webpage, but for those who may also have missed it, this 6 minute audio, sums up nicely the madness, mendacity and the absence of shame, to the everyday pernicious lies, now being perpetrated as truth, by the newly converted gullible GOP/Republican party, into a "Trumpian Hellscape".
(6-min.) Method to the madness, is a foundation of lies, built on four (4) pernicious pillars:
https://soundcloud.com/harperaudio_us/ministry-of-truth-by-steve-benen
A comment and a question. The definitive, after-the-fact study of the 2000 election was done by a group of 8 newspapers, the New York Times, The WSJ, the Tribune Company, the Washington Post, the AP, the St. Petersburg Times, the Palm Beach Post, and CNN. They went back and counted all the hanging chads et cetera and determined Bush would have won anyway if the Supreme Court hadn't stopped the count.
Allan "Rudy Giuliani" Lichtman apparently is approaching the problem from a different angle. I'd like to know how whoever was counting votes knew whether a ballot was marked by a black person or a white person. Lichtman's argument sounds racist to me, that minority voters don't know how to mark ballots.
That's not to say that we might not have been better off under Gore. Maybe Gore wouldn't have invaded Iraq.
And now the question. Elvis brought up Kamala Harris' involvement in getting FOSTA and SESTA passed. I haven't seen a peep out of anyone about that. How do you gentlemen feel about publishing reports here, knowing that Kamala's legislation might just get you or the owners of this site that we treasure thrown in jail? Kamala Harris is not the Monger's Friend.
The demonstrably Winger-leaning polling site, RealClearPolitics, has now shifted the Battleground State of Arizona from the Trump side of their No Toss-Up States Electoral College Map to the Harris side.
They have not quite yet shifted the other important Battleground State of Pennsylvania from Trump to Harris. But that might happen in a matter of days or hours because they do show it to be tied between Trump and Harris as of this writing. See screenshots below:
https://www.realclearpolling.com/elections/president/2024/battleground-states/2024/battleground-states
Harris now leads Trump in the Consensus of both the Head-to-Head and 5-Way races on RCP while Trump is still hanging onto about as nominal a lead as you can have in the overall Battleground States, at +0. 1 point. At this writing, that nominal lead is due to him only hanging onto leads in Nevada, North Carolina and Georgia by 1 to 1. 3 percentage point.
Oh, and the 538 Site already has Harris ahead of Trump Nationally and in the important Battleground States of WI, MI and PA.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/
Of course, I only mention these interesting details in passing for those who are interested in polls.
Or used to be.
While "others" are no longer quoting their ever loving Vegas Odds (not that I think they're a real indicator of victory, but) I was interested in seeing what Vegas was NOW saying:
Harris becomes betting favorite in presidential election odds after swing state barnstorm
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/harris-becomes-betting-favorite-in-presidential-election-odds-after-swing-state-barnstorm/ar-AA1oEqRd
Trader Up $500,000 Betting On Kamala Harris, Could Make Another $1M If The Vice President Wins The Election
https://www.benzinga.com/markets/cryptocurrency/24/08/40421149/trader-up-500-000-betting-on-kamala-harris-could-make-another-1m-if-the-vice-president-win
Look at that, Harris is already making people rich! (...kkkk$)
BTW, well you did say:
"Don't worry, they can flip-flop from one extreme to the other on a dime, much like Shady Pants, I mean J.D. Vance's opinion of Donald Trump"
Speaking of a yet another Tweedledum flip-flop, this time gaslighting Americans, and defending Tweedledee's so called love of the military and his disrespectful false medal equivalencies gaffe, the uproar among the military was visibly upsetting, especially veterans with MOHs.
Medal Of Honor (MOH) recipients, came out to say: "Trump has no clue about Military service or what it means to serve your country. Or to put others before/above yourself. Or what it means for self-sacrifice, for your fellow soldiers, countrymen, or brothers-in-arms."
Yet again, another example of Trump's attempt at gaslighting his disdain for the military, using JD Vance's military background, to defend his MOH gaffe and rewrite recent history, in Aug 2020, where he called, "Americans who died in war are 'Losers' and 'Suckers'."
Needless to say the backlash was swift and harsh for the Tweedledum/Tweedledee campaign, that it doesn't look good for the military vote either!
A comment and a question. The definitive, after-the-fact study of the 2000 election was done by a group of 8 newspapers, the New York Times, The WSJ, the Tribune Company, the Washington Post, the AP, the St. Petersburg Times, the Palm Beach Post, and CNN. They went back and counted all the hanging chads et cetera and determined Bush would have won anyway if the Supreme Court hadn't stopped the count.
Allan "Rudy Giuliani" Lichtman apparently is approaching the problem from a different angle. I'd like to know how whoever was counting votes knew whether a ballot was marked by a black person or a white person. Lichtman's argument sounds racist to me, that minority voters don't know how to mark ballots.
That's not to say that we might not have been better off under Gore. Maybe Gore wouldn't have invaded Iraq.
And now the question. Elvis brought up Kamala Harris' involvement in getting FOSTA and SESTA passed. I haven't seen a peep out of anyone about that. How do you gentlemen feel about publishing reports here, knowing that Kamala's legislation might just get you or the owners of this site that we treasure thrown in jail? Kamala Harris is not the Monger's Friend.Without a link I really can't say exactly where and how all those people got it wrong. But from your description of it I suspect they were focused on ballots with or without hanging chads and all that. Which is not what the study and investigation Lichtman testified in found to be the evidence that votes for Gore were not accepted or counted at all. Did you read the actual link for the actual most definitive study of it that I posted?
On FOSTA and SESTA, they fall within the usual sucker social issues on which I would never base my vote. Society will work that out regardless who is in the WH. And it will wind up being more liberal than conservative. That's how human beings are. That is what they want.
Meanwhile, none of your parables will ever change the inarguable facts of historic and quite current horrific Repub economic policy and stewardship results vs historic and quite current positive Dem economic policy and stewardship results.
Call it Real World (Dem) results vs Academic and Repeatedly Debunked (Repub) results perhaps.
The fact is whenever Repubs, Wingers, Trumpsters, Conservatives, Bothsiders, Neithersiders, Independents or whatever moniker they are hiding behind warn us that the Dems' plan, policies and stewardship will surely destroy Capitalism and the American Economy as we know and love it according to some passage in a text book written by a ludite, they turn out to be 100% wrong in every conceivable way; we get historic economic Recoveries, Expansions, jobs creation, business successes, even reduced budget deficits and, often, legislation destined to become revered by most Americans as examples for what really Makes America Great.
And we usually get those pronouncement from the clueless rabble just as Dems are coming into office to clean up the typical colossal mess of everything the Repub left behind.
By stark contrast, when Dems warn us that this or that Repub policy will wreak havoc on the American economy and the lives of millions of Americans, that is exactly what happens. And all too often it truly does bring us to the brink of destroying Capitalism and the American Economy as we know and love it.
So my Days of suffering through know nothing, do nothing, Deadbeat Repubs who insist THEY know how to do anything well and positive for America and that the "idiot" Dems just don't know what they are doing are long, long, long over.
I ain't falling for that Repub con anymore.
Make no mistake about it, convict Trump is the American "boggeyman", we all fear and loath. More specifically the "Project 2025 Boogeyman"! And let's not forget the sidekick Tweedledee "Single Mom Cat Women" boogeyman!
Yes, as Trump and Repubs, attempt to paint Harris in a poor light, in as many ways as they can, to see what will sticks to the wall and have you believe Veep Harris is "bad for the presidency of the office", that Harris is "bad for the economy", that Harris "has no vision for the country", that Harris "isn't going to be "tough on crime", that Harris will make "America look bad on the international stage", that Harris "isn't intelligent" and lets not forget the newly minted, Harris will be "bad mongering", schtick...sigh!
Just for the records:
For me anyways, it has always been perfectly clear that whatever the circumstances, world events, changes in gov't administrations, viruses, pandemics, or political "boogeymen" and "boogeywomen", that have seemingly blocked our path to "putang", any mongerer worth their salt, have always adapted and thrived. --Enuf said!
So let's be real clear, Trump, Vance, Repubs and Project 2025, are the REAL "boggeymen", Americans should pay attention to:
Project 2025, a subversive doctrine, is roughly a 1,000-page document they have written as a manual for their right-wing fascist 2025 administration. They are TELLING you, what this American "boggeyman" hellscape will look like, if Trump/Vance ticket, is elected in 2024 (Note: This is just a short list):
• Mass layoffs of civil servants • Install Trump loyalists • Terminate Constitution
• Investigate political advisors • Seal-Team 6 "sanctioned" political killing
• Mass deportations • Bomb Mexico • Shoot Migrants • Electrify Wall
• Reinstate and expand the ban of people from Muslim-majority countries
• Impose immigrant "ideological screening" • Revoke student protesters visas w/ceasefire
• Gut/Terminate the Dept. of Education • Teach "patriotic education"
• Shoot shoplifters • Require "stop & frisk" • Billionaire Tax-Cuts/exempt f/prosecution
• Mass tent camps for homeless people • Re-institutionalize the mentally ill
• Immunity to all police officers • Deploy Military/National Guard to combat protests
• Federal takeovers of Democratic cities including D.C., Chicago and New York
• Gut the green energy programs • Exit the Paris Climate Accords
• Gut the EPA Increase the use of fossil fuels & discard EVs
• Enforce the 1873 Comstock Act to ban abortion nationwide
• Punish Hospital that provide any transgender care
• Nationwide ban on abortion, women's care, trans care minors
• End Birthright Citizenship
• Allow states to roll-back/punish, women's, LGBTQ and minority rights, as they see fit
• Withdraw from NATO • No "two-state" solution • 10% Tarrif on foreign goods
Sure the world would NOT come to an END, as some folk like to tell ya, but it sure would turn to shit! As "everything turns to shit under Trump", just as things ALWAYS do under Trump!
... By stark contrast, when Dems warn us that this or that Repub policy will wreak havoc on the American economy and the lives of millions of Americans, that is exactly what happens. And all too often it truly does bring us to the brink of destroying Capitalism and the American Economy as we know and love it.
So my Days of suffering through know nothing, do nothing, Deadbeat Repubs who insist THEY know how to do anything well and positive for America and that the "idiot" Dems just don't know what they are doing are long, long, long over. Agreed! As Trump and Repubs, attempt to gaslight they their way to the WH, they do this, precisely because they have become a "know nothing, do nothing" party, under Trump
I ain't falling for that Repub con anymore. Yep, me neither! Even Veep Harris, says "Don't fall for the okey-doke" (...kkkk!)
A comment and a question. The definitive, after-the-fact study of the 2000 election was done by a group of 8 newspapers, the New York Times, The WSJ, the Tribune Company, the Washington Post, the AP, the St. Petersburg Times, the Palm Beach Post, and CNN. They went back and counted all the hanging chads et cetera and determined Bush would have won anyway if the Supreme Court hadn't stopped the count.
Allan "Rudy Giuliani" Lichtman apparently is approaching the problem from a different angle. I'd like to know how whoever was counting votes knew whether a ballot was marked by a black person or a white person. Lichtman's argument sounds racist to me, that minority voters don't know how to mark ballots.
That's not to say that we might not have been better off under Gore. Maybe Gore wouldn't have invaded Iraq.
And now the question. Elvis brought up Kamala Harris' involvement in getting FOSTA and SESTA passed. I haven't seen a peep out of anyone about that. How do you gentlemen feel about publishing reports here, knowing that Kamala's legislation might just get you or the owners of this site that we treasure thrown in jail? Kamala Harris is not the Monger's Friend.The answers to the questions of how it was known that the overwhelming percentage of "rejected for error" ballots in Florida were cast by African Americans even before they would or could be reviewed for hanging chads as well as how likely most of those earlier rejected ballots / votes would have been for Gore is addressed in the full report and in Lichtman's 10 minute video I linked previously and will link again here:
https://youtu.be/D57mZejswkI?si=Me7T-1y5NWoh0LAN
The shorter (and incomplete) version is:
- 180,000 ballots / votes in Florida were rejected for error.
- In Florida, people register to vote indicating their race.
- Al Gore's support among African Americans was 95%.
- Of the 180,000 ballots / votes rejected for error, a huge, disproportionately high percentage of ballots / votes in highly segregated African American precincts were rejected, to the tune of 1 out of every 9 or 10 vs that of predominantly white precincts at 1 out of 50.
- Many if not most of the African American ballots / votes that were rejected out of hand were for "over votes" where they had not only punched the Chad hole for Gore but also wrote in his name just to be sure.
- Such an obvious "clear intent" as above was precisely what all those days of hand counting and Chad checking (too late to save those earlier African American precinct rejections) was supposed to be about.
- Even a conservative mathematical estimate on how many African American ballots / votes that were rejected despite the clearest intent imaginable for which candidate they were voting for along with that 95% support for Gore in the African American communities of Florida concluded tens of thousands of Gore votes in Florida were never counted, might not have even made it to the hanging Chad checking stage of the recount on which all those supposedly "definitive" after the fact reviews were based.
Al Gore would very likely have sprung into action to spread the word at airports to be particularly on the look out for suspicious behavior based on that alarming Presidential Daily Briefing Bush got weeks before his 9/11 Attack instead of blowing it off and ignoring it so he could get back to clearing brush down at the ranch the way Bush did and while Rice ignored it as well.
Similar to the way his boss Clinton responded pro-actively whenever he got such an Intel briefing. A serious response like that is almost always picked up and known by the terrorist plotters and they will either drop their plan or behave more suspiciously out of fear in the knowledge that "someone gives a shit and is looking for us. ".
No such worry clouded the intentions or altered the behavior of those 9/11 hijackers under GW Bush. And for good reason; he and Rice didn't give a shit enough to respond to that alarming early warning PDB.
Same as Trump didn't give a shit about all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid as to defund and remove the highly successful Early Warning, Pandemic Prevention Team from those Chinese labs in 2018 and 2019.
Consequently, it is extremely doubtful there would have been a 9/11 Attack at all then or another time during an Al Gore presidency. Therefore, no invasion of Iraq and no war in Afghanistan.
Oh, and no 2008 GW Bush Financial Crisis near total collapse of Capitalism and the American Economy for Obama-Biden to rescue and recover us from either.
That 2000 stolen election by Jeb and his fellow Repubs had massive and disastrous domino-effect repercussions.
Without a link I really can't say exactly where and how all those people got it wrong. But from your description of it I suspect they were focused on ballots with or without hanging chads and all that. Which is not what the study and investigation Lichtman testified in found to be the evidence that votes for Gore were not accepted or counted at all. Did you read the actual link for the actual most definitive study of it that I posted?As politically knowledgeable (seriously) as you are, it's amazing that the newspaper consortium's work on the 2000 election slipped by you. See here for example.
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/us/examining-vote-overview-study-disputed-florida-ballots-finds-justices-did-not.html
Bush would have come up the winner if the USA Supreme Court hadn't stopped the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court, or if the recount had been limited to four Democratic counties, in accordance with Gore's strategy early on. It's more difficult to say what would have happened if all rejected votes had been recounted, but, using some of your favorite words, that's in the realm of "whataboutism" and "might have, could have, should have. ".
Lichtman's work on the 2000 election was for the USA Commission on Civil Rights. John Lott, a Yale economist, was also engaged by the commission. Lott determined that "it is African American Republicans who were harmed. Indeed, the nonvoted ballot rate for white Republicans is higher than for white or African‐American Democrats. The data also indicate that nonvoted ballot rates are highest in those counties where Democrats are the election supervisors. ".
I can say with 100% certainty that Lichtman doesn't know much about statistics, and / or he was pursuing an agenda and purposefully twisted the data. I say this because he favored analysis of the data at the county level instead of the precinct level. His precinct level analysis did not show, with statistical significance, that more African American ballots were spoiled than other ballots. Anyone who's aware of Simpson's paradox would favor the precinct level analysis. To provide a recent example, in Scotland, people who got the COVID vaccine were more likely to have suffered from severe COVID or die from COVID than people who did not. The reason is because older people got vaccinated in higher numbers than younger people. When you segment the date by age groups, you see the vaccine was highly effective in preventing severe disease and death. You're seeing a similar, although not as pronounced, effect here.
Licthman also didn't even look at spoiled ballots among Hispanic Americans or Asians. He just threw them in with whites. This is curious because there were more Hispanics, many of which were Cuban American immigrants. They may have been more likely to vote Republican. Also they were less literate on average than whites and blacks. If you're going to make the racist argument that blacks didn't know how to mark ballots, that should apply doubly for Latin immigrants. Many are learning English. Their presence is the reason California, New York and Texas rank higher in level of illiteracy than most other states.
Lichtman refused to supply his data to dissenting members of the Commission by the way.
Lichtman's agenda probably was to try to benefit the Democratic Party, by showing, by hook or crook, that black voters had been disenfranchised. Democrats used this strategy for many years to get an advantage. It enabled them to aggressively gerrymander blue states, while the courts prevented similar shenanigans in some red southern states. You can see the results by comparing the popular vote for the House of Representatives to the % of House seats won by Democrats. From 1948 to 2008, the Democrats usually got a lot more than their fair share of House seats.
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/vitalstats_ch2_tbl2.pdf
From the dissenting commissioners' report.
"The majority report lays the blame for the supposed disenfranchisement of black voters at the feet of state officials particularly Governor Jeb Bush and Secretary of State Katherine Harris. In fact, however, elections in Florida are the responsibility of 67 county supervisors of election. And, interestingly, in all but one of the 25 counties with the highest spoilage rates, the election was supervised by a Democrat the one exception being an official with no party affiliation..
The majority report argues that much of the spoiled ballot problem was due to voting technology. But elected Democratic Party officials decided on the type of machinery used, including the optical scanning system in Gadsden County, the state's only majority-black county and the one with the highest spoilage rate."
In other words, you can blame high spoilage rates on incompetent Democrats. That's not surprising, Republicans govern better at the state and local level.
As to the rest of your post, I've given up on getting you to see the true light. I think you're a lost cause. But I still pray for your enlightenment.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/345576
https://www.usccr.gov/files/pubs/vote2000/report/appendix/dissent.htm
The answers to the questions of how it was known that the overwhelming percentage of "rejected for error" ballots in Florida were cast by African Americans even before they would or could be reviewed for hanging chads as well as how likely most of those earlier rejected ballots / votes would have been for Gore is addressed in the full report and in Lichtman's 10 minute video I linked previously and will link again here:
https://youtu.be/D57mZejswkI?si=Me7T-1y5NWoh0LAN
The shorter (and incomplete) version is:
- 180,000 ballots / votes in Florida were rejected for error....Your post showed up after I posted mine, I believe. It's getting late here. I'll try to remember to watch the video tomorrow. I suspect my links below provide good rebuttals to whatever's in the video.
Most of the 180,000 rejected votes for president were undervotes and overvotes. By that I mean either the voter didn't mark the ballot for any candidate, or he marked it for more than one.
I undervote in a lot of elections. If I don't know anything about the candidates, I won't choose, and just move onto the next office. I've read about knowledgeable people overvoting. They like two candidates and probably don't realize if they do that, their votes won't count.
All of the voting issues could be resolved with a pen and paper and proper instructions that are simple. Mark only one candidate for each office or you vote will be considered invalid. In bold just how a wrote it at the top of the ballot.
The votes should be hand counted twice. Elections are the core of democracy. They should be kept simple.
As politically knowledgeable (seriously) as you are, it's amazing that the newspaper consortium's work on the 2000 election slipped by you. See here for example.
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/us/examining-vote-overview-study-disputed-florida-ballots-finds-justices-did-not.html
Bush would have come up the winner if the USA Supreme Court hadn't stopped the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court, or if the recount had been limited to four Democratic counties, in accordance with Gore's strategy early on. It's more difficult to say what would have happened if all rejected votes had been recounted, but, using some of your favorite words, that's in the realm of "whataboutism" and "might have, could have, should have. ".
Lichtman's work on the 2000 election was for the USA Commission on Civil Rights. John Lott, a Yale economist, was also engaged by the commission. Lott determined that "it is African American Republicans who were harmed. Indeed, the nonvoted ballot rate for white Republicans is higher than for white or African‐American Democrats. The data also indicate that nonvoted ballot rates are highest in those counties where Democrats are the election supervisors. ".
I can say with 100% certainty that Lichtman doesn't know much about statistics, and / or he was pursuing an agenda and purposefully twisted the data. I say this because he favored analysis of the data at the county level instead of the precinct level. His precinct level analysis did not show, with statistical significance, that more African American ballots were spoiled than other ballots. Anyone who's aware of Simpson's paradox would favor the precinct level analysis. To provide a recent example, in Scotland, people who got the COVID vaccine were more likely to have suffered from severe COVID or die from COVID than people who did not. The reason is because older people got vaccinated in higher numbers than younger people. When you segment the date by age groups, you see the vaccine was highly effective in preventing severe disease and death. You're seeing a similar, although not as pronounced, effect here.
Licthman also didn't even look at spoiled ballots among Hispanic Americans or Asians. He just threw them in with whites. This is curious because there were more Hispanics, many of which were Cuban American immigrants. They may have been more likely to vote Republican. Also they were less literate on average than whites and blacks. If you're going to make the racist argument that blacks didn't know how to mark ballots, that should apply doubly for Latin immigrants. Many are learning English. Their presence is the reason California, New York and Texas rank higher in level of illiteracy than most other states.
Lichtman refused to supply his data to dissenting members of the Commission by the way.
Lichtman's agenda probably was to try to benefit the Democratic Party, by showing, by hook or crook, that black voters had been disenfranchised. Democrats used this strategy for many years to get an advantage. It enabled them to aggressively gerrymander blue states, while the courts prevented similar shenanigans in some red southern states. You can see the results by comparing the popular vote for the House of Representatives to the % of House seats won by Democrats. From 1948 to 2008, the Democrats usually got a lot more than their fair share of House seats.
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/vitalstats_ch2_tbl2.pdf
From the dissenting commissioners' report.
"The majority report lays the blame for the supposed disenfranchisement of black voters at the feet of state officials particularly Governor Jeb Bush and Secretary of State Katherine Harris. In fact, however, elections in Florida are the responsibility of 67 county supervisors of election. And, interestingly, in all but one of the 25 counties with the highest spoilage rates, the election was supervised by a Democrat the one exception being an official with no party affiliation..
The majority report argues that much of the spoiled ballot problem was due to voting technology. But elected Democratic Party officials decided on the type of machinery used, including the optical scanning system in Gadsden County, the state's only majority-black county and the one with the highest spoilage rate."
In other words, you can blame high spoilage rates on incompetent Democrats. That's not surprising, Republicans govern better at the state and local level.
As to the rest of your post, I've given up on getting you to see the true light. I think you're a lost cause. But I still pray for your enlightenment.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/345576
https://www.usccr.gov/files/pubs/vote2000/report/appendix/dissent.htmYour NYT report appears to support Lichtman's contention regarding over votes and a Gore win even if they had ignored the earlier ballot / vote rejections and only gone with the hanging and dimpled Chad examination, but carried out in a more state-wide fashion rather than the more limited precinct examinations Gore went with due to time restraints:
But the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots. This also assumes that county canvassing boards would have reached the same conclusions about the disputed ballots that the consortium's independent observers did. The findings indicate that Mr. Gore might have eked out a victory if he had pursued in court a course like the one he publicly advocated when he called on the state to ''count all the votes.''
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If all the ballots had been reviewed under any of seven single standards, and combined with the results of an examination of overvotes, Mr. Gore would have won, by a very narrow margin.
...........
All the other combinations likewise produced additional votes for Mr. Gore, giving him a slight margin over Mr. Bush, when at least two of the three coders agreed.
While these are fascinating findings, they do not represent a real-world situation. There was no set of circumstances in the fevered days after the election that would have produced a hand recount of all 175,000 overvotes and undervotes.The minority dissenting opinion expressed by Thernstrom and Redenbaugh, much of which relies on Lott's article on spoiled (non voted) ballot rates, is too twisted and convoluted for me to read all of it, particularly considering it is in fact the minority opinion that was overwhelmed and substantiated by the majority in that hearing anyway.
However, as I scanned it I was struck by the effort they put into promoting the idea that one can not necessarily conclude that the high percentage of ballots / votes that were rejeced for over votes (as opposed to non votes) in highly segregated African American precincts in Florida were originally cast by African Americans. Like, you know, maybe most of the rejected ones were cast by the scant few White, Asian or Hispanic residents in those precincts. After all, once cast the identity of the voter is not known.
Uh. Ok. LOL.
And most of those African American precincts, predominantly Dem and definitely not Repub, had Dems for election supervisors? No kidding? Of course, if Repub State Legislators say toss out the over votes, that is what those law-abiding Dems are going to do.
Doesn't change the fact concluded by the majority in that Lichtman hearing and the consortium reported on by the NYT that more Floridians voted for and intended to vote for Al Gore rather than GW Bush in the 2000 election.
CheckMate1
08-19-24, 16:14
All of the voting issues could be resolved with a pen and paper and proper instructions that are simple. Mark only one candidate for each office or you vote will be considered invalid. In bold just how a wrote it at the top of the ballot.
The votes should be hand counted twice. Elections are the core of democracy. They should be kept simple.As everything in the world, technology advancement allows for more accuracy not less. Example, you believe in crytocurrency because the ledger is accurate from one transfer to the next, and so on are recorded, and that over printing of money is a human decision. As fiat money can not be accounted for once it is printed and in the hands of the user, crypto can be trace through its lifetime. Machines have parameter that they don't disregard and codes can be audited. I believe most of the errors are human, not machine. Machines only need to be adjusted once at the test levels to prevent machine errors. Whereas human can continue to make the same mistake over and over again.
I will agree with you that proper instructions are needed, but I like machines over the what we have before.
It sure looks like "Dems good, Repubs bad" and "Harris good, Trump bad" to me.
I suppose he is just another Democratic Douche.
Exclusive: Conservative Republican endorses Harris, calls Trump a threat to democracy.
Aug. 19, 2024
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/19/politics/conservative-republican-endorses-harris-calls-trump-a-threat-to-democracy?cid=ios_app
Retired federal appeals court Judge J. Michael Luttig, a prominent conservative legal scholar put on the bench by President George H.W. Bush, is endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris over former President Donald Trump, whose candidacy he describes as an existential threat to American democracy.
It will be the first time Luttig, a veteran of two Republican administrations, has voted for a Democrat.
"In the presidential election of 2024 there is only one political party and one candidate for the presidency that can claim the mantle of defender and protector of Americas Democracy, the Constitution, and the Rule of Law, Luttig wrote in a statement obtained exclusively by CNN. As a result, I will unhesitatingly vote for the Democratic Partys candidate for the Presidency of the United States, Vice President of the United States, Kamala Harris.
Luttig played a now famous role in persuading then-Vice President Mike Pence to defy Trump and certify the 2020 presidential election. In a series of tweets drafted at the request of Pences attorney, Luttig spelled out in stark terms the legal rationale for Pence to reject the former presidents attempt to overturn Joe Bidens victory.
Since then, Luttig has emerged as a preeminent constitutional critic of Trump. In endorsing Harris, Luttig argues that partisan distinctions must, in this election, be set aside in order to prevent the singularly unfit Trump from returning to the White House.
"In voting for Vice President Harris, I assume that her public policy views are vastly different from my own, Luttig writes, but I am indifferent in this election as to her policy views on any issues other than Americas Democracy, the Constitution, and the Rule of Law, as I believe all Americans should be.
Luttigs scathing rebuke of Trump and endorsement of Harris underscores the depths of divisions between Reagan-and Bush-era Republicans and the modern, Trump-dominated GOP. The former judge is just as an unsparing of the Republican party as he is of Trump, whom together he says have launched the war on Americas Democracy.
The corrosive effects, he adds, will echo through generations.
Because of the former presidents continued, knowingly false claims that he won the 2020 election, millions of Americans no longer have faith and confidence in our national elections, and many never will again, Luttig writes. Many Americans especially young Americans, tragically have even begun to question whether constitutional democracy is the best form of self-government for America.
The stakes, Luttig argues, are as high now as in the late 18th century, when the countrys founders and authors of the US Constitution including Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson, typically political foes joined together to voice concern over the potential emergence of an authoritarian demagogue.
The stakes, Luttig argues, are as high now as in the late 18th century, when the countrys founders and authors of the US Constitution including Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson, typically political foes joined together to voice concern over the potential emergence of an authoritarian demagogue.
"The time for Americas choosing has come, Luttig writes. It is time for all Americans to stand and affirm whether they believe in American Democracy, the Constitution, and the Rule of Law, and want for America the same or whether they do not.
Though this will be Luttigs first time pulling the lever for a Democrat in any election, he has, in the aftermath of January 6, 2021, come out in support of some decisions by the Biden administration. He wholeheartedly endorsed the 2022 nomination of now-Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson to the high court, even calling out Republicans who said they would not vote to confirm her.
"The President knew at the time that there were any number of highly qualified black women on the lower federal courts from among whom he could choose including Judge Jackson and Republicans should have known that the President would nominate one of those supremely qualified black women to succeed Justice Breyer, he wrote at the time.
Luttig now joins a number of high-profile Republicans endorsing Harris, including former members of Congress Joe Walsh, Barbara Comstock and Adam Kinzinger.
Kinzinger, now a CNN contributor, will have a high-profile speaking slot this week at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago.
Former Georgia Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan, also a CNN contributor, endorsed Harris at the end of July in an Atlanta Journal-Constitution op-ed.
Her campaign, he wrote, was the best vehicle toward preventing another stained Trump presidency.
Speaking to CNN, Luttig said his decision to publicly back Harris was a matter of knowing right from wrong and acting in accordance.
"In my faith, we believe that we will one day answer for our wrongs. I have always tried to live my life in anticipation of that day. Imperfectly, to be sure. But I have tried, an emotional Luttig said. My endorsement of the Vice President was the right thing to do. It would have been wrong for me to stay silent, and I believe I would have one day had to answer for that silence.
Its really that simple."
Now, when will other high profile Repubs who have either publically refused to endorse Trump or remained silent about it complete the circle and openly endorse Harris?
Especially those who claim to be people of faith; MittWitt Romney, ranch brush-clearer GW Bush, Pious Mike Pence, etc?
Heed Judge Luttig's warning; Remaining silent about it or suggesting you will write in "Mickey Mouse" will surely prevent you from entering the Kingdom of Heaven.
Your NYT report appears to support Lichtman's contention regarding over votes and a Gore win even if they had ignored the earlier ballot / vote rejections and only gone with the hanging and dimpled Chad examination, but carried out in a more state-wide fashion rather than the more limited precinct examinations Gore went with due to time restraints:
The minority dissenting opinion expressed by Thernstrom and Redenbaugh, much of which relies on Lott's article on spoiled (non voted) ballot rates, is too twisted and convoluted for me to read all of it, particularly considering it is in fact the minority opinion that was overwhelmed and substantiated by the majority in that hearing anyway.
However, as I scanned it I was struck by the effort they put into promoting the idea that one can not necessarily conclude that the high percentage of ballots / votes that were rejeced for over votes (as opposed to non votes) in highly segregated African American precincts in Florida were originally cast by African Americans. Like, you know, maybe most of the rejected ones were cast by the scant few White, Asian or Hispanic residents in those precincts. After all, once cast the identity of the voter is not known.
Uh. Ok. LOL.
And most of those African American precincts, predominantly Dem and definitely not Repub, had Dems for election supervisors? No kidding? Of course, if Repub State Legislators say toss out the over votes, that is what those law-abiding Dems are going to do.
Doesn't change the fact concluded by the majority in that Lichtman hearing and the consortium reported on by the NYT that more Floridians voted for and intended to vote for Al Gore rather than GW Bush in the 2000 election.Please correct me if I you believe I'm wrong, but you, Spidy and Lichtman maintain that Bush stole the election. When he did no such thing. From the NYT arcticle.
"A comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward.
Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close examination of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a slender margin over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount more than 43,000 ballots had not been reversed by the United States Supreme Court.
Even under the strategy that Mr. Gore pursued at the beginning of the Florida standoff -- filing suit to force hand recounts in four predominantly Democratic counties -- Mr. Bush would have kept his lead, according to the ballot review conducted for a consortium of news organizations. ".
Please note that the NYT says a recount of all the suspect ballots MIGHT have resulted in a Gore victory. And furthermore, There was no set of circumstances in the fevered days after the election that would have produced a hand recount of all 175,000 overvotes and undervotes.. "
If the Florida election had played out as directed by the Democrat-controlled Florida Supreme Court, Gore would have lost.
This is the way our system works. I don't believe your argument here that Bush stole Florida makes any more sense than Team Trump's argument that Democrats stole Pennsylvania because of the way mail in votes were treated there.
As to Lichtman, I did listen to your Youtube link, twice. First, I suspect based on what he said that he was shamed by John Lott into using precinct level analysis instead of the misleading county level analysis he used earlier. Lichtman originally claimed that blacks were 9 X as likely to spoil ballots as non-blacks. Now he says the difference was half that, presumably in my mind because he was forced to use precinct level analysis. I don't believe his claim that 95% of blacks voted for Gore.
He says that one out of every 9 to 10 ballots cast by blacks was spoiled. Incredibly, he then goes on to say that most of those spoiled votes were overvotes, where the voter picked Gore and also wrote in "Gore. " So apparently he expects people to believe that, say, one out of every eleven or twelve votes cast by blacks were over votes, where "Gore" was written in on the ballot. He says tens of thousands of votes were marked by blacks that way. Presumably only black, Gore voters made this mistake. Whites, blacks and Hispanics voting for Bush didn't write in "Bush" too.
Lichtman is definitely biased based on what he says about George Will in the segment. Admittedly so is John Lott.
Finally, Lichtman has a record to protect, that he forecasted 9 elections correctly and the 10th was stolen. His fame, pride, and to some extent income follow from that record. Anybody with half a brain should realize that picking a winner for Bush / Gore or Trump / Hillary Clinton was blind luck. Bush / Gore could have gone either way. And Trump / Clinton was a once in 200 year electoral college fluke. Trump won fair and square, but based on the popular vote he shouldn't have. Anyway, the reason Lichtman is bringing this up 24 years later is because he's trying to make people believe he's some kind of infallible forecaster. If he wasn't right about Bush/Gore, then, by damn, Bush must have stolen the election.
SubCmdr and CheckMate1 may disagree about electronic voting, but I believe they've got the right idea. You come up with simple rules and respect them. That's fair, and builds confidence in our electoral system.
You really should repent and see the light on this one Tooms. If you don't, you've given up the high ground to Donald Trump and others who claim the 2020 election was stolen. Maybe that's not to best way to put it though. Better to say you will have climbed down into the same pit.
Consequently, it is extremely doubtful there would have been a 9/11 Attack at all then or another time during an Al Gore presidency. Therefore, no invasion of Iraq and no war in Afghanistan.
Oh, and no 2008 GW Bush Financial Crisis near total collapse of Capitalism and the American Economy for Obama-Biden to rescue and recover us from either.
That 2000 stolen election by Jeb and his fellow Repubs had massive and disastrous domino-effect repercussions.
If you'd said, "If Al Gore, Dennis Hastert (R) and Bill Frist (R) had continued the enlightened leadership established by Bill Clinton, Newt Gingrich (R) and Trent Lott (R), and if Gore hadn't invaded Iraq, the USA would be a better place," I'd agree with you. And I believe that might have happened. The idea that Gore would have somehow prevented 9/11 and the 2008 meltdown is a pipedream though.
And why are you blaming Jeb Bush for stealing the election, when it was Democratic officials (and one individual who had no party affiliation) who were in charge of counting the ballots in the 25 Florida counties with the highest spoilage rates?
Please correct me if I you believe I'm wrong, but you, Spidy and Lichtman maintain that Bush stole the election. When he did no such thing. From the NYT arcticle.
"A comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward.
Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close examination of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a slender margin over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount more than 43,000 ballots had not been reversed by the United States Supreme Court.
Even under the strategy that Mr. Gore pursued at the beginning of the Florida standoff -- filing suit to force hand recounts in four predominantly Democratic counties -- Mr. Bush would have kept his lead, according to the ballot review conducted for a consortium of news organizations. ".
Please note that the NYT says a recount of all the suspect ballots MIGHT have resulted in a Gore victory. And furthermore, There was no set of circumstances in the fevered days after the election that would have produced a hand recount of all 175,000 overvotes and undervotes.. "
If the Florida election had played out as directed by the Democrat-controlled Florida Supreme Court, Gore would have lost.
This is the way our system works. I don't believe your argument here that Bush stole Florida makes any more sense than Team Trump's argument that Democrats stole Pennsylvania because of the way mail in votes were treated there.
As to Lichtman, I did listen to your Youtube link, twice. First, I suspect based on what he said that he was shamed by John Lott into using precinct level analysis instead of the misleading county level analysis he used earlier. Lichtman originally claimed that blacks were 9 X as likely to spoil ballots as non-blacks. Now he says the difference was half that, presumably in my mind because he was forced to use precinct level analysis. I don't believe his claim that 95% of blacks voted for Gore.
He says that one out of every 9 to 10 ballots cast by blacks was spoiled. Incredibly, he then goes on to say that most of those spoiled votes were overvotes, where the voter picked Gore and also wrote in "Gore. " So apparently he expects people to believe that, say, one out of every eleven or twelve votes cast by blacks were over votes, where "Gore" was written in on the ballot. He says tens of thousands of votes were marked by blacks that way. Presumably only black, Gore voters made this mistake. Whites, blacks and Hispanics voting for Bush didn't write in "Bush" too.
Lichtman is definitely biased based on what he says about George Will in the segment. Admittedly so is John Lott.
Finally, Lichtman has a record to protect, that he forecasted 9 elections correctly and the 10th was stolen. His fame, pride, and to some extent income follow from that record. Anybody with half a brain should realize that picking a winner for Bush / Gore or Trump / Hillary Clinton was blind luck. Bush / Gore could have gone either way. And Trump / Clinton was a once in 200 year electoral college fluke. Trump won fair and square, but based on the popular vote he shouldn't have. Anyway, the reason Lichtman is bringing this up 24 years later is because he's trying to make people believe he's some kind of infallible forecaster. If he wasn't right about Bush/Gore, then, by damn, Bush must have stolen the election.
SubCmdr and CheckMate1 may disagree about electronic voting, but I believe they've got the right idea. You come up with simple rules and respect them. That's fair, and builds confidence in our electoral system.
You really should repent and see the light on this one Tooms. If you don't, you've given up the high ground to Donald Trump and others who claim the 2020 election was stolen. Maybe that's not to best way to put it though. Better to say you will have climbed down into the same pit.
If you'd said, "If Al Gore, Dennis Hastert (R) and Bill Frist (R) had continued the enlightened leadership established by Bill Clinton, Newt Gingrich (R) and Trent Lott (R), and if Gore hadn't invaded Iraq, the USA would be a better place," I'd agree with you. And I believe that might have happened. The idea that Gore would have somehow prevented 9/11 and the 2008 meltdown is a pipedream though.
And why are you blaming Jeb Bush for stealing the election, when it was Democratic officials (and one individual who had no party affiliation) who were in charge of counting the ballots in the 25 Florida counties with the highest spoilage rates?I'll go with the quotes I cited from that NYT report, the fully substantiated Majority Conclusion of that Civil Rights investigation and the clear intention of the American electorate as counted in their votes.
You need to be more concerned about saving 100% of your mortal soul in how you vote this year. Saint Peter will not allow Bothsider / Neithersiders to straddle half in and half out of those Pearly Gates when their day of reckoning comes as it will for all of us. He will count you as a Trump supporter.
How the Inflation Reduction Act sparked a manufacturing and clean energy boom.
Aug. 20, 2024
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/20/inflation-reduction-act-sparked-a-manufacturing-clean-energy-boom.html?__source=androidappshare
Tax credits under the Inflation Reduction Act have led to a boom in new manufacturing projects in the U.S.
GOP congressional districts and rural communities have benefited in particular.
The presidential election is creating uncertainty about the future of those projects, with some investors worried a Republican victory could weaken the IRA.
The Inflation Reduction Act has sparked a manufacturing boom across the U.S., mobilizing tens of billions of dollars of investment, particularly in rural communities in need of economic development.
The future of those investments could hinge on the outcome of the U.S. presidential election. The prospect of a Republican victory has shaken the confidence of some investors who worry the IRA could be weakened or in a worst-case scenario repealed.
Companies have announced $133 billion of investments in clean energy technology and electric vehicle manufacturing since President Joe Biden signed the IRA into law in August 2022, according to data from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the Rhodium Group.
Actual manufacturing investment has totaled $89 billion, an increase of 305% compared to the two years prior to the IRA, according to MIT and Rhodium. Overall, the IRA has leveraged half a trillion dollars of investment across the manufacturing, energy and retail sectors, according to the data.
"It is having a transformative effect within the manufacturing sector, said Trevor Houser, a partner with the Rhodium Group. The amount of new manufacturing activity that were seeing right now is unprecedented in recent history, and is in large part due to new clean energy manufacturing facilities.
Some 271 manufacturing projects for clean energy tech and electric vehicles have been announced since the IRA passed, which will create more than 100,000 jobs if they are all completed, according to the advocacy group E2, a partner of the National Resources Defense Council. The investments sparked by the IRA have been a boon for rural communities in particular, Houser said. Ah, memories, and BTW, are we better off now than we were 4 years ago, Part Infinity? LOL:
We can reshore manufacturing jobs, but Trump hasnt done it.
Trade rebalancing, infrastructure, and climate investments could create 17 million good jobs and rebuild the American economy.
Aug. 10, 2020
https://www.epi.org/publication/reshoring-manufacturing-jobs/
While the Trump administration has claimed that the era of U.S. offshoring is over, the reality is that the United States has not begun to address the root causes of Americas growing trade deficits and the decline of American manufacturing. Decades of trade, currency, and tax policies that incentivized offshoring, combined with an utter failure to invest adequately in infrastructure and good jobs at home, have contributed to growing inequality and an eroding middle class.
President Trumps erratic, ego-driven, and inconsistent trade policies have not achieved any measurable progress, despite the newly combative rhetoric. On top of that, COVID-19and the administrations mismanagement of the crisis has wiped out much of the last decades job gains in U.S. manufacturing.You want more of the former or more of the latter? This is decision time. Vote accordingly.
Stopping by just for this post I've wasted too much time in this thread so have sworn it off, but am stopping by to reply to Paulie's off-topic comments elsewhere. But lacked the intestinal fortitude to reply to my last several posts on the "Stupid Shit in Kyiv" thread where everything is on topic, where your highly repetitive "deep state" conspiracy theories, various false equivocations / whataboutisms related to past US wars and Kremlin propaganda have received rebuttals from me and others ad nauseum. The one where you said that Russia isn't trying to kill civilians, where you brown nose a guy who asserts that Alexi Navalny died of natural causes, where you express confidence that Putin would honor a peace accord, etc. Putin is a war criminal, coward at heart with zero honor, that's sore about the lose of the Soviet Empire. He started a war. Ukraine wants to fight back, and NATO has responded, Occam's Razor. You're welcome to go back to the Ukraine forum and respond to the many posts I made to you earlier this month that you skipped over. Do it point by point. That might help you make another go at swearing off this thread. You might even succeed this time, or at least divert your addiction. You never know.
So other than the post to me, how many more have followed since swearing off this thread? I counted four, some pretty lengthy. Sounds like you're really struggling, and you have my sympathy. Wink.
P.S.
Ike isn't my fav president, but I do think his economic achievements cut against the idea of Tooms, that Repubs always bring economic disasters, going back to Lincoln. That's the context, thus a little honesty occasionally will go a long way if you're interested in at least some pretense of credibility.
I seen a lot of technological development. I own a lab top computer, an iPad, iPad mini, iPhone, and a Fire 11 tablet. Please do not get the idea that I am a technophobe or some old man who can't keep keep up progress of technology. Here are my thoughts:
Technology
Ever try to get a girls phone number when the battery of your cellular phone is dead. Better have a pen or pencil and some paper. LOL! Now there is nothing like scanning the QR code for the phone number exchange in social media. But, back up plans are important.
Crypto currency
No my brother I believe in BTC and the others that a based on their basic formula. LTC, BCH. Everything else is basically unproven junk on which to speculate. The majority of crypto is a huge casino. Does not mean I don't play.
My belief in BTC, has noting to do with the ledger and everything to do with the fact that is of limit supply. It is digital gold. And the fact that it is permission less. I do not have to ask permission to send value to another person 24/07/365 as long as I have a internet connection. That is the power of crypto. Lastly, BTC and others like it are decentralized. China banned crypto mining. Miners picked up an walked. But mining did not completely stop. Because it is almost impossible for a government to stop it. If CBDC gets instituted not only can the government track your money, they can put restrictions on your money, they can take your money, they can put a expiration date on your money.
There are crypto currencies like ETH that have an unlimited supply just like fiat currency. If you want to really understand beyond just a superficial level read the book titled The Bitcoin Standard. Part of the reason this election is so important to me is because democrats are hostile to crypto currency because they realize the power that it takes from the government and gives back to the individual. Unfortunately the republican populace is so DUMB as to run an incompetent pair of racist assholes for the highest office in the land.
Machines
Are black boxes that can be altered, hacked along with being prone to programming errors and backdoors. There is only one type of voting machine I would trust, and that is one with open source code. Currently I use a hardware wallet to store my crypto currency. It is driven by open source code. People way smarted than me can check the code (and do all the time). Prevents errors (more eyes on the code) and malicious actors from adding bad code into the system software. I prefer that over machines run by proprietary code where we have to trust a central authority to maintain our safety.
Humans.
I have a bias towards my fellow man. The US military has a policy. No killing machines. Every machine with the capability of killing a human request a human in the chain of the command that leads to the killing strike.
Democracy requests the same thing. We cannot let our machines decide who our leaders (representatives) are going to be.
Are a sports fan my friend? Can you tell me a sport where you would prefer that machines are the arbiters of the sport? I cannot. But I am biased. I have been a sports officiator. My favorite was baseball umpire. Balls and Strikes are judgment calls. There is a machine that checks up on the umpires not. But in the end it is still a human call. I personally believe that is the way it should be. Human competition decided by human spirt and officiated by humans.
Even video review involves humans taking a "look at the video tape".
We agree on proper instructions. But I still think that votes should be marked by and hand counted. Election service should be like jury service a responsibility of citizenship. If a army of people is needed to count the votes then so be it. There is absolutely no reason that we need immediate results while allowing months before the new government actually takes over. That is some ancient bullshit to me. CEO's take over companies in a day. Change of command ceremonies happen in hours. There is a great scene in Band of Brothers where a office has to be replaced in the middle of an assault that got stalled.
Machines need to be given credit where credit is do. But in mindless reliances on technology is dangerous.
As everything in the world, technology advancement allows for more accuracy not less. Example, you believe in crytocurrency because the ledger is accurate from one transfer to the next, and so on are recorded, and that over printing of money is a human decision. As fiat money can not be accounted for once it is printed and in the hands of the user, crypto can be trace through its lifetime. Machines have parameter that they don't disregard and codes can be audited. I believe most of the errors are human, not machine. Machines only need to be adjusted once at the test levels to prevent machine errors. Whereas human can continue to make the same mistake over and over again.
I will agree with you that proper instructions are needed, but I like machines over the what we have before.Finally, I want to say I really appreciated your reasoned response and the chance to reply in a equally reasonable fashion. I hope you can take something from my post and even if we agree to disagree then I hope we both had our thoughts patterns stimulated.
So David French, considered a Republican Conservative Liberal, couldn't have wrote a more truer, sensible and calming words, w / are to Republican Conservatives who truly want to "do the right thing" and save the Republican Party from Trump (and themselves).
NYT, David French (OPINION), "To save Conservatism from itself, I am voting for Harris...",Aug. 11, 2024
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/11/opinion/harris-trump-conservatives-abortion.html
David French: "I believe life begins at conception...I want prospective parents to be able to use I.V.F. to build their families, I do not believe that unused embryos should simply be discarded thrown away as no longer useful."
"But I'm going to vote for Kamala Harris in 2024 and ironically enough I'm doing it in part to try to save conservatism."
Here's what I mean.
"Since the day Donald Trump came down that escalator in 2015, the MAGA movement has been engaged in a long-running, slow-rolling ideological and characterological transformation of the Republican Party. At each step, it has pushed Republicans further and further away from Reaganite conservatism...
"It has divorced Republican voters from any major consideration of character in leadership and all the while it has labeled people who resisted the change as traitors..."
"Its not just Trumps lies that are contagious, but his cruelty as well, and that cruelty is embedding itself deeply within one of Trumps most loyal constituencies, conservative evangelicals. It is difficult to overstate the viciousness and intolerance of MAGA Christians against their political foes. There are many churches and Christian leaders who are now more culturally Trumpian than culturally Christian. Trump is changing the church..."
French, used to consider himself, the ugly, dreaded "Republican Partisan" and according to him, "...it altered the way I saw the world". I can only imagine some Repubs here are living a similar nightmare. (...kkkk!)
French goes on to basically say, that he's so disgusted with Trump and his enablers, for letting conservatism lose its way, and he feels voting for Harris, is the way to save it, ...from itself.
Bravo!!! I for one applaud, and do enjoy listening to a good common sense Repub voter (rare as they are) with a spine and backbone, that stands up to the cult of MAGA and wants to bring normalcy back to Conservatism and a Republican Party, lost in the cult of Trump.
David French, long time "Republican Partisan", reborn again Conservative and now voting for the Harris/Walz...Bravo!
Elvis 2008
08-20-24, 21:58
How the Inflation Reduction Act sparked a manufacturing and clean energy boom.
Ah, memories, and BTW, are we better off now than we were 4 years ago.You mean 5 years ago before Fauci's illegal experiment in China blew up and he became super paranoid and parlayed a virus with a 0. 2% mortality into the plague. Oh yeah, that was Trump's fault for not keeping the "science" team in China to cure the mess "science" created. This is Loony Tooms rewriting history at best.
I said Kamala's support was an inch deep. She played the game well in the beginning. She showed up on Tik Tok and on youtube looking all fresh and shiny with a soothing, intelligent tone. Guys might even be doing high 5's and bragging they would date her. Of course, the new and different moniker was gong to come down because well, she is the fucking VP. Hell, she is in power right now.
And then the drinking rumors swirled up, and it appears Kamala loves her gin. Some estimated she was drunk over half the time she was in office. That was one I put in the memory banks and then I saw this photo. Not only does she look old. She looks like an old drunk.
Her economic plan was right out of the old USSR. In fact, it was nothing new. It was all taking your tax money and giving it to someone else. Or printing money and devaluing what you had. Yes, let us all pay directly with taxes or indirectly with inflation so Kamala can look good.
So the pretty young thing looks like a old witchy drunk and now you look into her beliefs and even Democrats are going to be scared away as she is way to the left of even them. You can see why Kamala is going down with two photos.
Of course, mixed in with the facts are the feelings. I have to admit that to having those upbeat feelings and buying into the new and different almost child like feeling of the shiny new Kamala. She was the new and improved irrationally pleasing happy meal. But once you taste reality, it is the same crap in new packaging and once the people sense that, it is down goes Kamala.
It was these two photos and new and improved became the same old, same old.
Elvis 2008
08-20-24, 22:50
French goes on to basically say, that he's so disgusted with Trump and his enablers, for letting conservatism lose its way, and he feels voting for Harris, is the way to save it.
Bravo!!! I for one applaud, and do enjoy listening to a good common sense Repub voter with a spine and backbone, that stands up to the cult of MAGA and wants to bring normalcy back to Conservatism and a Republican Party, lost in the cult of Trump.
David French, long time "Republican Partisan", reborn again Conservative and now voting for the Harris/Walz.You mean this David French?
https://www.wral.com/story/david-french-one-party-has-a-serious-foreign-policy-the-other-has-a-tantrum/21410442/
Headline: One party has a serious foreign policy. The other has a tantrum.
Or this one.
The Trump presidency was a catastrophe for American Christianity.
https://www.vox.com/22188646/trump-evangelical-christianity-david-french
In that article, there is this, We don't need to go into all of the details, but this is a man who evaded military service, who has serially cheated on wives, who is terribly out of shape, is so cowardly in a lot of his personal interactions, that he delegates to others the task of firing people. There's so much that if you were going to map out who is the archetype of the masculine leader prior to Trump, he would be the opposite of that.
No, but what's happening is a lot of Republican Christians are getting catechized in politics through conservative media, through Fox News, through talk radio. As I've told a lot of people, if you had the information inflow that a lot of my neighbors have, French lives in Tennessee, you'the be MAGA also. A lot of it is just a product of information that makes it not that hard to support Trump, if that's your information flow.
End of link. That is all well and good until you saw that two fox news anchors and Trump had it out. In fact, I have not talked to one Republican who has not bristled at how Trump speaks and how they liked his polices but not his personality. IOW, this guy French does not even get why people vote for Trump. It is the same old NYT shit, MAGA people are stupid. Yawn.
Bill Maher got to the MAGA core when he said he talked to Republicans who admitted not being fond of Trump but that Trump was all that stood in the way of leftist insanity. I was all for liberals pushing for racial and sexual equality and then women won the war of the sexes. Who said that?
Bill Maher did 13 years ago in what IMO was his best video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r11Vl0zrrcM.
If women won the war of the sexes, and they did. What next? Well, there was GW Bush a guy who could project feelings and then Trump who was as anti-PC as they came and why? Because DEI is about sexism towards men and racism towards white men. Because LGBTQ is not about sexual equality. It is about demonizing heterosexuals. Hell, 30% of young children in California are LGBTQ. I know from my own life about suppressed homosexuality and trans, but 30%? Get the fuck out of here! I do not need Fox News to tell me that is bullshit.
It is not even MAGA as much as MASA. Make America sane again.
Hell, I watch Kaitlyn Clark and marvel at her supernatural basketball passing and shooting. Ratings hit all time highs with her because she was fun to watch. She had the IT factor.
On the flip side, I watch the Algerian Olympic boxer, and it is disgusting, a guy beating up women. Where is the sport in that? But I needed Fox News to tell me that? Give me a fucking break. All I needed was to watch a bit of the match and to see the guy's photo. If you say I am sexist over that, then YOU have the problem.
MarquisdeSade1
08-21-24, 04:05
How the Inflation Reduction Act sparked a manufacturing and clean energy boom.
Aug. 20, 2024
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/20/inflation-reduction-act-sparked-a-manufacturing-clean-energy-boom.html?__source=androidappshare
Ah, memories, and BTW, are we better off now than we were 4 years ago, Part Infinity? LOL:
We can reshore manufacturing jobs, but Trump hasnt done it.
Trade rebalancing, infrastructure, and climate investments could create 17 million good jobs and rebuild the American economy.
Aug. 10, 2020
https://www.epi.org/publication/reshoring-manufacturing-jobs/
You want more of the former or more of the latter? This is decision time. Vote accordingly.https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/20/leftist-speaker-trump-may-win-the-white-house-because-kamala-and-joe-sold-out-the-working-class/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/20/leftist-speaker-trump-may-win-the-white-house-because-kamala-and-joe-sold-out-the-working-class/Your lord and savior laughs at you and Elvis and considers you "basement dwellers. " So I was just wondering if you'd heard what he thinks of Jill Stein supporters, as quoted in your link. In Trump's mind, are they just above you and Elvis or well below you and Elvis in the basement?
Ex-Trump press secretary Stephanie Grisham says he mocked his supporters as 'basement dwellers'.
Grisham disavowed her former boss in a speech at the Democratic convention, where she endorsed Harris. "I love my country more than my party," she said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/former-trump-press-secretary-stephanie-grisham-endorses-harris-convent-rcna167476
Trump White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham disavowed her former boss Tuesday evening and voiced support for Kamala Harris for president in remarks at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago.
In her brief speech, Grisham said that she used to be not just a Trump supporter but also a "true believer" who became part of Trump's family and spent major holidays with him.
"I saw him when the cameras were off, behind closed doors. Trump mocks his supporters. He calls them basement dwellers," she said.
Grisham shared a few anecdotes about her experience working with Trump, including a story about a hospital visit he made during the Covid pandemic and she said people were dying in the intensive care unit.
"He was mad that the cameras were not watching him. He has no empathy, no morals and no fidelity to the truth," she said. "He used to tell me, 'It doesn't matter what you say, Stephanie say it enough and people will believe you.' But it does matter what you say matters, and what you don't say matters."
Representatives for Trump's campaign did not immediately reply to a request for comment.
Grisham said that on Jan. 6, 2021, she asked first lady Melania Trump whether they could tweet out that while peaceful protest is the right of every American, "there's no place for lawlessness or violence."
"She replied with one word: 'No,'" she said. "I became the first senior staffer to resign that day. I couldn't be part of the insanity any longer."
Grisham said she was criticized when she was press secretary because she never held a White House briefing in that role.
"It's because, unlike my boss, I never wanted to stand at that podium and lie," she said. "Now here I am behind a podium advocating for a Democrat, and that's because I love my country more than my party. Kamala Harris tells the truth. She respects the American people, and she has my vote."
Grisham was Trumps White House communications director and press secretary from July 2019 to April 2020 and went on to be Melania Trumps press secretary and chief of staff.
In an interview on MSNBC after her remarks, Grisham said that if she can reach any undecided voters, she wants to convey that she understands what it's like to believe in Trump. But she praised Democrats for pushing a message of unity and said that people may not agree on policies but that it's important to "talk to each other like humans again."
She said that the Harris campaign has been "brilliant" at communicating that people's freedoms are being taken away that it's not just abortion rights, but also access to birth control.
"I really believe, a lot of people especially Republican women are going to vote for Kamala but maybe not tell their husbands," said Grisham, who called Trump and his running mate, Sen. JD Vance, of Ohio, "short sightedness" and "misogynistic."
Soon after Jan. 6, Grisham distanced herself from Trump world, and she eventually cooperated with the House committee that investigated the insurrection. In October 2021, she said on NBC News' "Meet the Press" that she tried to resign from the White House "a couple of times" but that Melania Trump persuaded her to stay.
In fact, I had a resignation letter written out with some very specific points in it that I was ready to hand over at any moment, she said. Jan. 6, of course, was my breaking point. And I was really proud that I was, well, the first in the administration to resign.
Man, this is a classic Non Denial "Denial" if ever there was one.
What happened to the word "no"?
Aren't these Target dudes the same ones who got busted for blaming a pro Repub Mainstream Media-hyped "organized retail crime wave" on the closures of some of their most dreadfully mismanaged stores? LOL.
Target CEO addresses 'price gouging' accusations in retail.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/21/target-ceo-brian-cornell-weighs-in-on-price-gouging.html?__source=androidappshare
Target CEO Brian Cornell said theres no room for price gouging in the competitive retail landscape.
Cornell was asked whether the tactic boosted Targets profits, after Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris outlined a plan to stop price gouging.
He spoke to CNBC after Target beat quarterly earnings expectations.In a follow-up statement, he added "blah blah blahbidy blah blah. ".
From someone who knows:
The UAW president says Kamala Harris is a fighter for the working class.
And he called Trump a 'scab.'
Aug. 19, 2024
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/08/19/dnc-live-updates-coverage/uaw-president-speaks-00174857
The president of the United Auto Workers had one big question for the crowd while delivering a fiery speech at the Democratic convention Monday night.
Which side are you on? UAW President Shawn Fain asked.
He became nationally known for his leadership of strikes at the Big Three automakers last year, which also drew Joe Biden to the picket line making him the first sitting president to join striking workers. As a senator, Harris had also joined a UAW picket line.
Fain said on one side, the Republican ticket nominees are lap dogs for the billionaire class who only serve themselves. While on the other, Fain touted Harris who the UAW has endorsed as a defender for the working class.
She is a a fighter for the working class, and Donald Trump is a scab, Fain said as a chant of Trumps a scab broke out in the convention center.View the full great 10 minute speech here:
https://youtu.be/HZ4W9_TMi_c?si=0aEeDRKRdcii7xfy
Elvis 2008
08-21-24, 19:45
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/20/leftist-speaker-trump-may-win-the-white-house-because-kamala-and-joe-sold-out-the-working-class/When you rack up a trillion in debt every few months, you can add 2 million government jobs at $50,000 per year. The latest Biden / Harris juking the stats was a downward version of nearly a million jobs 818,000 jobs to be exact. Who but government can misplace a million jobs BTW? https://mishtalk.com/economics/bls-revises-jobs-down-by-818000-the-most-ever-about-68000-per-month/.
Racking up the credit card to give people jobs is not economic progress. Spidy seems to have forgotten the market was down in 2022 and 2023 and this year have seen the stock market go ever higher, but that has been on the price part of the PE ration not earnings. And are earnings going higher due to companies doing better or is it just due to companies having higher earnings and sales number due to inflation?
Thing is you get to a point where the bond market punishes the government to the point that it cannot keep spending like a drunken sailor. That is happening and if you compare this market to 2000, if you recall, there was talk of us not having any debt. Those were the days. We are racking up more debt in a year or two than we had total debt in 2000.
Of course, in those days, we just talked of cutting government spending and raising taxes. If you asked the American people if they had to pay more taxes to get a 2000 style economy, I bet they would but not now not with this much government gluttony.
MarquisdeSade1
08-21-24, 20:09
You mean this David French?
https://www.wral.com/story/david-french-one-party-has-a-serious-foreign-policy-the-other-has-a-tantrum/21410442/
Headline: One party has a serious foreign policy. The other has a tantrum.
Or this one.
The Trump presidency was a catastrophe for American Christianity.
https://www.vox.com/22188646/trump-evangelical-christianity-david-french
In that article, there is this, We don't need to go into all of the details, but this is a man who evaded military service, who has serially cheated on wives, who is terribly out of shape, is so cowardly in a lot of his personal interactions, that he delegates to others the task of firing people. There's so much that if you were going to map out who is the archetype of the masculine leader prior to Trump, he would be the opposite of that.
No, but what's happening is a lot of Republican Christians are getting catechized in politics through conservative media, through Fox News, through talk radio. As I've told a lot of people, if you had the information inflow that a lot of my neighbors have, French lives in Tennessee, you'the be MAGA also. A lot of it is just a product of information that makes it not that hard to support Trump, if that's your information flow.
End of link. That is all well and good until you saw that two fox news anchors and Trump had it out. In fact, I have not talked to one Republican who has not bristled at how Trump speaks and how they liked his polices but not his personality. IOW, this guy French does not even get why people vote for Trump. It is the same old NYT shit, MAGA people are stupid. Yawn.
Bill Maher got to the MAGA core when he said he talked to Republicans who admitted not being fond of Trump but that Trump was all that stood in the way of leftist insanity. I was all for liberals pushing for racial and sexual equality and then women won the war of the sexes. Who said that?
Bill Maher did 13 years ago in what IMO was his best video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r11Vl0zrrcM.
If women won the war of the sexes, and they did. What next? Well, there was GW Bush a guy who could project feelings and then Trump who was as anti-PC as they came and why? Because DEI is about sexism towards men and racism towards white men. Because LGBTQ is not about sexual equality. It is about demonizing heterosexuals. Hell, 30% of young children in California are LGBTQ. I know from my own life about suppressed homosexuality and trans, but 30%? Get the fuck out of here! I do not need Fox News to tell me that is bullshit.
It is not even MAGA as much as MASA. Make America sane again.
Hell, I watch Kaitlyn Clark and marvel at her supernatural basketball passing and shooting. Ratings hit all time highs with her because she was fun to watch. She had the IT factor.
On the flip side, I watch the Algerian Olympic boxer, and it is disgusting, a guy beating up women. Where is the sport in that? But I needed Fox News to tell me that? Give me a fucking break. All I needed was to watch a bit of the match and to see the guy's photo. If you say I am sexist over that, then YOU have the problem.The Democrats hate Democracy.
They are lapdogs for the Oligarchy.
https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/08/21/newt-gingrich-democratic-party-controlled-by-power-brokers/
And David French is most certainly a woman with a beard.
You mean this David French?
https://www.wral.com/story/david-french-one-party-has-a-serious-foreign-policy-the-other-has-a-tantrum/21410442/
Headline: One party has a serious foreign policy. The other has a tantrum.
Or this one.
The Trump presidency was a catastrophe for American Christianity.
https://www.vox.com/22188646/trump-evangelical-christianity-david-french
...
Bill Maher got to the MAGA core when he said he talked to Republicans who admitted not being fond of Trump but that Trump was all that stood in the way of leftist insanity...Because DEI is about sexism towards men and racism towards white men. Because LGBTQ is not about sexual equality. ...
YES, this is the same David French. As both your articles/links, mirrors what I previously posted, about him bemoaning the decline, the degeneration and the decay among Republicans, Conservatism and Christianity in America. Largely in part all attributed the cult of MAGA and Trump.
Keep in mind, Trump is the same guy that ditch service through a fake heel spurs on his foot. So the point your making is Repubs are cowardly military draft dodgers, who then turn around and make fun of those Americans that have sacrificed and served?
French's conclusions about "voting for Harris", while trying to save Conservatism from itself and Bill Maher's CURRENT views on who is the better candidate for the presidency, the White House and to governing America for is spot on, in the belief that Veep Harris is better for the country and as it so happens Conservatism.
Point being, good COMMON SENSE people, despite their religious, socio-economic or political differences, can change their views, when their beloved affiliations, organizations or country are clearly facing an existential crisis, in Trump.
As for the culture wars" part of your post:
With regards to the "wars", those of you on the extreme right of insanity, like to dream up every day, here's what I'll say about that extreme nonsense, that rails against true equality.
That, from the "war of the sexes", the "war on the LGBTQ community", the "war on DEI", the "war on white men", the "war on purple dinosaurs (my fav.)" and all the other culture wars, those on the extreme right, love to beat their chests over everyday...I'd thought it was pretty obvious, that by now:
We (mostly) in America, settle or differences at the BALLOT-BOX:
1. in a "civilized" country (at least today), such as we have in the USA, many of your nonsensical extreme right "culture wars" and the major issues, that the MAJORITY of Americans want to resolve, are hard fought, and either won or lost at the BALLOT-BOX.
2. your minority "culture war" issues, are a great example of why we need to do away with the Electoral College and a disproportional Senate, IF IT IS TRUE EQUALITY, that you're arguing for.
It's 2024 and America is still being held hostage by MINORITY rule at the BALLOT-BOX.
3. if you're not winning things like the "purple dinosaur" culture wars at the BALLOT-BOX, may I suggest changing your messaging to something Americans ACTUALLY care about?
Look, even when the system is organized, rigged, gerrymandered, voter suppressed to favor such MINORITY views and you still can't win (ie. Trump lost to Biden by 7+ million votes) on your nonsensical "culture war" issues, that should tell you everything you need to know.
This should be great news for anyone craving lower gas prices and a reduction in the Fed Funds Rate / Interest Rates!
No, it doesn't increase the chances of a Recession; Quarterly GDP Growth during this period has not been revised downward yet. No, it doesn't change the overall historic jobs creation record for Biden-Harris. No, it does not change the upward jobs creation since March of this year. And, no, it does not predict a change in the usual pattern of upwardly revised jobs reports immediately following similar downward revisions.
Jobs growth gets its biggest downward revision since 2009. Why this time is different.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/21/us-job-growth-revised-down-by-the-most-since-2009-why-this-time-is-different.html?__source=androidappshare
But it does demonstrate that the Fed's concerted effort to articially induce a slow-down in the roaring economy Jobs Creation of Bidenomics, as wished for.
It further demonstrates that the dollar amounts of Biden's post-Trump's Pandemic Recovery Legislation were as close to the dime as humanly possible of being exactly what was necessary to produce the Best Recovery from Trump's Pandemic on the Planet while also averting a Great Repub Global or Domestic Depression, Great Repub Global or Domestic Recession and a Hard Crash Landing.
And it predicates the wished for reduction in the Fed Funds Rate and oil and gas prices, which today is only 49 cents more for a gallon for regular gas than it hit in 2019:
Fed minutes point to likely rate cut coming in September.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/21/fed-minutes-july-2024.html?__source=androidappshare
U.S. crude oil falls below $72 per barrel as jobs growth revised lower.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/21/oil-prices-down-on-swelling-us-crude-stocks-easing-middle-east-tensions.html?__source=androidappshare
In Bill Clinton's terrific speech at the Democratic National Convention tonight he reminded the world of a remarkable economic fact regarding jobs creation under Dem presidents' policies and stewardship vs jobs created under Repub presidents' policies and stewardship.
Of the 51 Million jobs created since the end of the Cold War in 1989, here is the scorecard:
Dem presidents = 50 Million.
Repub presidents = 1 Million.
https://www.youtube.com/live/tSzM0lZoAFs?si=oVUIYwH_idTmtRu3
I see some Factcheckers quibbling over the total number, some say it was 49 Million to 1. 5 Million and stuff like that. And, naturally, pro Repub Mainstream Media are rushing in to provide one lame excuse after another for their beloved Repub presidents' crap jobs creation results. We all know the drill: poor Repub GW Bush was "unlucky" enough to have been in office when his Repub / GW Bush Financial Crisis hit at the end of his presidency and poor Repub Donald Trump was "unlucky" enough to lay the foundation for, embrace, create, exacerbate and lie the world into Trump's Pandemic and all that crap.
And, if you only go back to the last couple of Repubs, I might, uh, might be able to excuse the ill-informed for being conned by MSM into believing maybe it was just a couple of back-to-back "unlucky" Repub presidents.
But nope. LOL.
The great President Bill Clinton inspired me to finally get around to checking out something I have been meaning to check for a while.
It turns out the number of USA jobs that have been created over the past 100 years, since 1925, give or take 1-2 Million, is roughly 137,000,000.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms
Here is the 100 year scorecard:
Dem presidents = 100,000,000.
Repub presidents = 37,000,000.
Those are the parameters and numbers the world should be made aware of as much or more than Clinton's "since 1989" economic fact.
Mind you, other than FDR taking over just as Coolidge / Hoover's Great Repub Depression was crashing down around our ears, factoring in WWII and Barack Obama taking over just as GW Bush's Great Repub Recession was crashing down around our ears, all of the top 5 Government Debt creators of the past 100 years were among those lousy Repub jobs creating Repubs as well. (Wilson had WWI to deal with. But that was more than 100 years ago).
So it's not like we got lousy jobs creation out of Repubs but at least they didn't add the most government debt! No, we got the worst of BOTH economic worlds from them!
https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-percentage-7371225
Also, there were the same number of different Repub presidents as Dem presidents since 1925.
And I know how MSM would respond to it:
"Oh, the poor Repub was unlucky enough to be in office when the Great Repub Depression just happened out of nowhere. ".
"Oh, the poor Repub was unlucky enough to be in office when a series of 3 Recessions hit on his watch out of nowhere. ".
"Oh, the poor Repub was unlucky enough to be in office when the Nixon / Ford Recessions hit out of nowhere. ".
"Oh, the poor Repub was unlucky enough to be in office when his Great Reagan / Repub Recession just happened to hit out of nowhere. ".
"Oh, the poor Repub was unlucky enough to be in office when his Financial Crisis just happened at the end of his presidency out nowhere. ".
"Oh, the poor Repub was just unlucky enough to be in office when he added $2. 5 Trillion to the deficit just to create 1 million fewer jobs with his economic "stimulus" legislation than without it and when his Trump's Pandemic just happened out of nowhere. ".
Seriously. At some point during that inarguable pattern of "Once in 100 Years" Repub Economic Disasters, the World can simply no longer believe in THAT much "bad luck" for one political Party any more than they can believe in the Tooth Fairy after age 6.
From someone who knows:
The UAW president says Kamala Harris is a fighter for the working class.
And he called Trump a 'scab.'
Aug. 19, 2024
https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/08/19/dnc-live-updates-coverage/uaw-president-speaks-00174857
View the full great 10 minute speech here:
https://youtu.be/HZ4W9_TMi_c?si=0aEeDRKRdcii7xfy
Indeed, it's been a pleasure to watch. And DAY #2 is sure to be even better with the Obama's.
With a whooping 20 Million viewers, beating both Night #1's of the 2024 RNC and the 2020 DNC (during a lockdown with COVID), it was a masterful demonstration of a coalition and democratic union, united in a joyous fellowship of Dems and Repubs, to beat fascist Trump and Project 2025, in ROEvember.
IMHO, FWIW the outstanding and notable performances, were by:
Rep.Jamie Raskin: "...and defeat Donald Trump the career criminal and encourage-able, recidivist, con man and his pet chameleon JD Vance." He then goes on to say, "...and America, let's make it a landslide, so big, that not even Trump and his Kangaroo court, Supreme Court Justices can try to steal it." {...crowd erupts}
Rep.Jasmin Crokett: The up and coming, Democrat superstar delivered an "American dream" vs. "America's nightmare" speech, that was full of play on words and alliteration magic. Best line
in her speech was "...America who would you hire? One has a resume, while the other has a rap sheet!" {...crowd erupts}
Senator Raphael Warnock (GA): Brilliant sermon! Talking about the same "sacrifice" and "humble" upbringings, he has in common with the with the next president of the USA.
But the most outstanding and best part of the night, IMHO was the almost 3-4 min. standing ovation for Joe Biden and his masterful speech and the joyful love, tearful goodbyes and farewells, to a Great President in Joe Biden, who put the good of the country above his own ambition.
Joe Biden, will be remembered as exiting the office of the WH, with Love, Gratitude, Honor, Sacrifice and 50 years of an illustrious career of Service to the American people.
Thank You Joe, Thank You Joe, Thank You Joe!
Spidy seems to have forgotten the market was down in 2022 and 2023.Of course, that isn't true. The S & P was up 26.29% in 2023. The Dow was up 13.70%. The NASDAQ was up 49.32%. So maybe you're talking about the market for used up Seeking hookers? Or the market for silver; that market reached its high oh 50 years ago with the Hunt brothers.
Elvis 2008
08-22-24, 17:52
Of course, that isn't true. The S & P was up 26.29% in 2023. The Dow was up 13.70%. The NASDAQ was up 49.32%. So maybe you're talking about the market for used up Seeking hookers? Or the market for silver; that market reached its high oh 50 years ago with the Hunt brothers.The actual sentence was Spidy seems to have forgotten the market was down in 2022 and 2023 and this year have seen the stock market go ever higher, but that has been on the price part of the PE ration not earnings.
So why did you put a period after 2023? Because you are a walking inferiority complex. For someone with all your supposed degrees, you sure are petty. Maybe one of those boosters is affecting your brain. Are you on #20 now?
CheckMate1
08-22-24, 18:14
Of course, that isn't true. The S & P was up 26.29% in 2023. The Dow was up 13.70%. The NASDAQ was up 49.32%. So maybe you're talking about the market for used up Seeking hookers? Or the market for silver; that market reached its high oh 50 years ago with the Hunt brothers.December 31,2021 S&P 4775.21.
December 30,2022 S&P 3829.06 -946.15 or 19.8%.
December 30 2022 S&P 3829.06.
December 28,2023 S&P 4786.44 +957.38 or 25%.
I think this would be a more appropriate comparison.
Biden.
December 31,2020 S&P 3733.27.
August 21,2024 S&P 5603.09 +1870.82 or 50.1%.
Trump.
December 31,2016 S&P 2251.57.
December 31,2020 S&P 3733.27 +1481.70 or 65.8%.
Obama.
December 31,2008 S&P 890.59.
December 31,2016 S&P 2251.57 +1360.98 or 152.8%.
I personally don't put too much weight into stock market performance and presidential success because the market has gone up historically about 8% compounded annually for more than a hundred years, regardless of admininstration.
I like focusing on what was promised and what was delivered.
EX: The Wall.
"Before Trump's 2017 inauguration as president, the southern border had about 654 miles of primary barriers and 37 miles of secondary barriers, according to Customs and Border Protection information from an unpublished Jan. 22,2021, report provided to PolitiFact. By January 2021, there were 706 miles of primary barriers and 70 miles of secondary barriers. ".
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/aug/09/donald-trump/how-many-miles-of-border-wall-did-donald-trump-bui/
7. 95, call it 8% improvement.
4 years and 52 miles of primary barriers. This is a long distance for a person to walk or even drive, but for COUNTRY to build in 4 years, it is under delivering.
Elvis 2008
08-22-24, 18:30
French's conclusions about "voting for Harris", while trying to save Conservatism from itself and Bill Maher's CURRENT views on who is the better candidate for the presidency, the White House and to governing America for is spot on, in the belief that Veep Harris is better for the country and as it so happens Conservatism.So Kamala Harris is the person to vote for who is a good conservative? I just had it out with Viliany when he called himself an economic conservative and yet he endorsed he $10 trillion Covid money printing operation. There is very little difference between borrow and spend Trump and borrow and spend Harris and Biden. Trump can negotiate better deals because he is not burdened by the legacy deals. Biden and Harris cannot cut anything.
Point being, good COMMON SENSE people, despite their religious, socio-economic or political differences, can change their views, when their beloved affiliations, organizations or country are clearly facing an existential crisis, in Trump.And this is why you are a follower Spidy. A week ago, you said no one really knows what Trump's positions are and now he is going to end the world as we know it. The reason this came up is the only reason you are voting for Harris is she has Democrat after her name. So now you know what Kamala Harris stands for? How? She has not given one interview or held one press conference about what she is going to do.
You are not using common sense. You are an authority humper repeating what the MSM tells you.
That, from the "war of the sexes", the "war on the LGBTQ community", the "war on DEI", the "war on white men", the "war on purple dinosaurs (my fav.)" and all the other culture wars, those on the extreme right, love to beat their chests over everyday...I'd thought it was pretty obvious, that by now:If you are 75% white on your birth certificate and your relatives owned slaves, what does it even mean when you call yourself black? How can there be a war on the sexes when you cannot even decide what a woman is? The fact is the party that used to be against prejudice and sexism is now prejudice and sexist against white men. Race based shaming is racism. Sex based shaming is sexism. In fact, for those of us with working brains, we know shame can be used to deflect from the faults of others. If you hire on race or sex versus competence, you are going to pay the price.
So the whole concept of white privilege does not affect me because I have around black men and women my whole life, but you have these white suburban housewives who are voting Democrat out of guilt. And they need to atone for freaking out when a person of color moved into their neighborhood or viewing blacks as subhumans to be feared. And the one thing that guilt ridden white suburban housewives and the minorities can agree on is that everything is the fault of the white man. Give me a fucking break!
With a stunning, 21 million viewers on Day #2 at the DNC, Dems delivered unwavering blow after unwavering blow against Trump and at times without even so much as calling his name. The Obama's delivered two of the all-time great speeches and some stay should even be studied.
IMHO, FWIW the outstanding and notable performances or zingers, were by:
> DJ Cassidy Spins & Performance by Lil' Jon - The DNC Roll Call was truly spectacular, uplifting and joyous, as the individual pieces of music accompanying the 50 states on Roll Call was wonderfully tailored to suit the personalities of each states. (And even better knowing the music that Trump wanted to use, the musicians barred him from using. Even the Rappers, like 50 Cent, told Trump, NO THANKS!)
> Stephanie Grisham - While not a great or really good speech, IMHO, it expounded upon Trump's delusion, that he thinks his "Jedi mind trick" is working. Grisham says:"He has no empathy, no morals and no fidelity to the Truth. He used to tell me, 'It doesn't matter what you say, Stephanie, say it enough and people will believe you.'"
I love this quote from her, because it dovetails nicely into the proof positive narrative, found in the recent posts here, w/r to the books and videos on "Ministry of Truth", which shows details his lack of respect for anyone (let alone his supporters) and poignantly reveals the "House of Lies Trump Built".
{See EihTooms' post here, http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2939033&viewfull=1#post2939033, for full coverage}
> Governor of Illinois, JB Pritzker: Had some good zingers. He repeated comments made by Democrats, calling Trump and other Republicans "weird" over their rhetoric and actions. This was probably the best zingers outside of Michelle Obama's speech.
JB Pritzer said: "Let's be clear, it's not 'woke' that limits economic growth, it's 'weird...'"
Pritzker, then took the sentiment further by delivering his next line with such zest and zeal, not it just shattered (IMHO) those who cry foul, by citing DEI instances when Black or brown-skinned Americans are "derided as a DEI hire for the sin of being successful while not white." ---Just Brilliant!
> Barack Obama - He was right, when he said, I Am the Only Person Stupid Enough to Speak After Michelle Obama, while his speech was great, I think Michelle's was just that much better.
The Best Speech of the Night (must see video): Michelle Obama
> Michelle Obama - Great Speech and one of the all-time best, IMHO (even better than her husband's). I won't be able to do it justice, so go watch it for yourselves. Many pundits say, that speech should be studied. She systematically dismantled Trump without ever having to say his name! Genius! Brilliant! Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z832P-efBaM
Highlights of best of Michelle Obama's Speech:
--Her use of the word "sacrifice", throughout parts of her speech was epic. Again something Trump knows very little about.
--Her ode and tribute to her mother's work ethic and teachings of don't just sit there "do something" were both tearfully moving and joyful.
--Her mother's WE gotta "do something" stories began a long chant and crowd ruckus of "Do Something, Do Something...."
--Her quip about "Hope is making a Comeback!" got a big eruption and applause from the crowd.
BEST of the BEST:
--All while never saying his name: "...most of us will never afford the grace of failing forward or we will never benefit from the affirmative action of generational wealth, if we bankrupt a business or choke in a business, we don't get a 2nd, 3rd or 4th chance. If things don't go our way, We don't have the luxury of whining, or cheating others, to get further ahead...NO! We don't get to change the rules, so we always win. And if we see a mountain in front of us, we don't expect their to be an escalator to take us to the top...NO!, we put our heads down and get to work!"
---Her best was this line, "...wait, wait...I wanna know, whose gonna tell him, that job he's currently seeking, might just be one of those Black jobs". Again, total crowd eruption and standing ovation. It was hilarious, poignant, politically funny and hit the target on some many levels, w/r to several gut-punches to Trump, reference to his racist NABJ interview comments.
Day #2 is gonna be hard to top!
Of course, that isn't true. The S & P was up 26.29% in 2023. The Dow was up 13.70%. The NASDAQ was up 49.32%. So maybe you're talking about the market for used up Seeking hookers? Or the market for silver; that market reached its high oh 50 years ago with the Hunt brothers. Don't mind whatever Elvis 2008, thinks he knows about the markets. Which IMHO, is very little, outside of what the dumbasses on FOXY Muse tell him, or the good folks over at CNBC.
But know this for good measure! That it has been almost four (4) years now, that Elvis 2008, has been droning on, about how the markets, the economy, the job numbers, all are going into a recession type crush and how "the economy has been performing so badly, even worse than when Trump was...blah, blah, blah". Just parroting the latest MAGA economic nonsense, talking points.
All no doubt, because that has been the utter crap that was coming out of Trump, then pickup by right-wing MSM and regurgitated by the MAGA cult (and sometimes often the other way around). And we now all know, that when Trump says: "It doesn't matter what you say, [Stephanie or insert whatever Trump ex-advisor you want], say it enough and people will believe you."
As I've told Elvis 2008, before:
"Even the sun shines up a dog's ass some days". But in YOUR case, you've been calling for a market crash and economic recession, for almost the last 4 years now. And you've been WRONG every time!
So the sun hasn't exactly shone much up your ass for four years. But I'm sure, if you say it long enough and often enough...that sun will surely shine some day! (....kkkk!)
For almost several months now, Elvis 2008, hasn't even been able to tell us, what the hell is the Trump/Vance campaign stands for, is running on, or the policies or plans they are looking to put in place to make the lives of Americans better, other than tax-cuts for the billionaires and "drill, baby drill".
Elvis 2008
08-22-24, 23:15
Stephanie Grisham - While not a great or really good speech, IMHO, it expounded upon Trump's delusion.Ah, yes, Grisham the woman who wrote a Trump tell all book called "I will take your questions now" while never holding press conferences and raking in a $183,000 government salary. Once the gravy train with Trump was over, she saw there was cash to be made stabbing Trump in the back and making peace with Democrats who in 2019 she called "human scum".
So she is another Kamala, a hooker who instead of screwing johns screws the public. She will tell you whatever you want to hear if the price is right. You had her talking about morals and empathy? Why? Were Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen busy? I think Stormy Daniels is a more honest hooker than Kamala or Grisham because those two are taking money from me and the taxpayer.
What is next Spidy? You believe the hookers saying you got a 12 inch cock?
As for Pritzker and this DEI bullshit, it is not a good time. The bullshit excuses for the Trump assassination from the SS are getting too hard to stomach. The roof was tilted. It was too hot. The women who were in charge of security had it handled. When Regan got shot, the head of the SS resigned and I do not recall anyone calling for his head. He just did it. The movie in the line of fire was about a SS agent racked with guilt of a president shot on his watch.
The last SS scandals were some fraternity type person who snuck into a White House function and a handsome SS agent who fucked a Colombian woman who did not say she was a hooker and later demanded $800 in payment which would be like an American woman asking for $10,000. When this woman tried to scam the agent, Dan Bongino went around getting money to placate the woman and keep the agency's name out of trouble.
This is what the current SS does: https://www.facebook.com/reel/1452833418594572.
The SS agency is in trouble and this crazy female SS agent is caught breaking into a salon to use the bathroom.
A real threat to our Democracy is when a lunatic tries to kill a political leader. That is what the SS is supposedly paid to stop. That is their job. What happened with Trump is someone failing at their job.
The previous SS director thought her "job" was to get more women on the federal payroll. Yeah, look at all the jobs we Democrats created. Of course, doing the job is optional as is not being a fucking embarrassment.
Spidy, you are so warped by the MSM that you think a political candidate getting shot was good for Democracy. In your fucked up head, isn't that right? Isn't Trump not being president good for Democracy even if he were shot and killed? It was okay that he was shot though because he was so immoral and unethical right? Jesus.
December 31,2021 S&P 4775.21.
December 30,2022 S&P 3829.06 -946.15 or 19.8%.
December 30 2022 S&P 3829.06.
December 28,2023 S&P 4786.44 +957.38 or 25%.That's just the price change in the index and ignores dividends and thus is not an accurate measure of return.
The actual sentence was Spidy seems to have forgotten the market was down in 2022 and 2023 Except none of the three most watched indices was down in 2023. All those numbers I quoted are from 2023. The stock market was down in 2022 and up in 2023. Repeating bullshit does not stop it from being bullshit.
I get a COVID booster every four months now as recommended, and I get a 10% off grocery coupon for every shot. That's a better return on investment than the stock market in 2022, but not as good of an investment as the stock market in 2023.
With a steady, 20.2 million viewers on Day #3 at the DNC, compared to 18M viewers on Day #3 of the RNC. BTW, the DNC 21M on Day #2, had 7+ million more viewers than the 14M by the RNC on their Day #2 (if we're measuring or counting crowd sizes...kkkk!).
That 7+ million is eerily close to the number President Joe Biden won the 2020 Election and popular vote with, as a point of interest. Hmmmm...coincidence or perhaps would that be the Obama effect and REAL "presidential" power from a REAL former president.
IMHO, FWIW the outstanding and notable performances, were by:
House Minority Leader, Hakeem Jeffries
Opera Winfery
Maryland Gov., Wes Moore
Secretary of Transportation, Pete Buttigieg
Tim Walz
The Best Speech of the Night: Bill Clinton
Former President Bill Clinton - YES, the mind blowing economic fact, that of the 51 million jobs created since end of the Cold War in 1989, Dems have been responsible for creating 50 million of those jobs. President Clinton, tell us he had to fact check this amazing piece of economic data 3x times.
I think, EihTooms, best explains the significance, of this eye watering, jaw dropping, mic-drop and cold hardcore economic FACT, here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2939183&viewfull=1#post2939183
This economic (gold nugget and gemstone) FACT, will for me at least, FINALLY shut the door, debunk and put to rest the perception, pretense and perceived reality, that any such right-wing, Repub, QAnon\MAGA, Conservative, Republican Libertarian nonsense, about them being better at the economy is nothing more than a myth, trotted out by paid MSM to uphold that myth, as long as paid advertising dollar are flowing into their coffers.
This will be a stark reminder for any Repub or Repub Libertarian, who continues to cling to that myth, that Repubs are better at the economy than Dems.
Day #3 was alright, and a good start for the nomination for the DNC Veep, Tim Walz.
So Kamala Harris is the person to vote for who is a good conservative? I just had it out with Viliany when he called himself an economic conservative and yet he endorsed he $10 trillion Covid money printing operation. There is very little difference between borrow and spend Trump and borrow and spend Harris and Biden. Trump can negotiate better deals because he is not burdened by the legacy deals. Biden and Harris cannot cut anything ...
Allow me to debunk the usual Repub poppycock and nonsense on "anything" economic related. Dems have created 50 million jobs since end of the Cold War in 1989. In that same period, Repubs, 1 million. Enuf Said!
Also please see EihTooms' excellent explanation and significance, of this eye watering, jaw dropping, mic-drop and cold hardcore economic FACT, here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2939183&viewfull=1#post2939183
... yada, yada, yada
...but you have these white suburban housewives who are voting Democrat out of guilt
... yada, yada, yada
Thank you for your FOXY Muse and QAnon/MAGA talking points and those "suburban kitchen table" issues, that are SO NOT top of mind for Americans!
But fear not, Elvis 2008, I'm sure your "suburban kitchen table" issues are well covered in your newly minted Repub "bible", Project 2025.
So let's see how well Americans resonate with your "culture war issues", I mean "suburban kitchen table issues", at the BALLOT-BOX shall we?
It sure seems like "All the Best People" the very stable genius Donald Trump knows, hired and appointed to collect a taxpayer-funded paycheck turned out to be "hookers" who quickly figured out he is an idiot, dope and a moron and now refuse to endorse him for, well, for any job that I know of.
But definitely not for a second shot at creating an even worse result of his key economic and national security decisions as president than the Trillions of taxpayers dollars he flushed down the shitter on a counterproductive supposedly economic "stimulus" legislation, Trump's Pandemic and its millions of deaths, business and school closures, millions upon millions of jobs destroyed, the collapse of global supply chains, the inflation and skyrocketing costs of rent, food and gas, the historic spikes in violent crime and illegal border crossings and that violent mob of insurrectionists he led into battle on American Soil in his War Against America and American Democracy based on his Big Lie.
Just a few examples:
'Idiot, Dope, Moron': How Trumps aides have insulted the boss.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/04/trumps-insults-idiot-woodward-806455
Full List of Former Donald Trump Officials Refusing to Endorse Him.
https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-former-donald-trump-officials-refusing-endorse-him-1882733
Or maybe most of them are not really "hookers" at all but merely folks telling the truth as they clearly saw, heard and experienced it.
Is a puzzlement.
So the whole concept of white privilege does not affect me because I have around black men and women my whole life!So far from the truth as to make me laugh In no way would you speak to them IRL the way you speak to me and others up in this thread and others in ISG.
The level of disrespect that you show online would have gotten your head knocked clean off long before now in IRL. Which tell me that you are truly nothing more than a keyboard warrior with strong personal opinions and views with a desire to express them.
CheckMate1
08-23-24, 18:29
That's just the price change in the index and ignores dividends and thus is not an accurate measure of return.However, my main point was that the market is not a good measure of how a presidency is doing.
FFlintstone69
08-23-24, 18:34
Tell us EXACTLY what you know about the hiring of a United States Secret Service special agent candidate and the subsequent training the occurs Federal Law Enforcement Training Center AND James J. Rowley Training Center? I will save you the trouble. You don't know a thing about it. You are just talking out the side of your neck. Because if you did you would understand they a candidate for Special Agent of the United States Secret Service must successfully pass through of the training centers. Then a 1 year on-the-job training program. At least two years of an investigative assignment before being accepted into a protective detail.
Who is going to say that the United States Secret Service agents working that day were not qualified? We have those of lesser intelligence (putting diplomatically) that will say that. But they are only showing their bigotry and ignorance as republicans.https://nypost.com/2024/08/17/us-news/secret-sevice-probing-claims-agent-left-trump-rally-to-breastfeed/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/secret-service-agents-on-leave-trump-shooting/
https://nypost.com/2024/08/23/us-news/secret-service-agents-placed-on-administrative-leave-after-assassination-attempt-fiasco/
https://nypost.com/2024/08/22/us-news/toilet-paper-that-fell-out-of-nancy-pelosis-pants-on-dnc-stage-was-really-notes-source-says/
Ah, yes, Grisham the woman who wrote a Trump tell all book called "I will take your questions now" while never holding press conferences and raking in a $183,000 government salary. Once the gravy train with Trump was over, she saw there was cash to be made stabbing Trump in the back and making peace with Democrats who in 2019 she called "human scum"... Stabbing someone in the back is a neat trick, I'm sure she learnt it from Trump. As a fellow Repub, I'm surprised you aren't extremely proud of her handy work at "back stabbing another Repub", as Trump has made a political career out of it.
But why on earth would you as the "Paycheck Superhero", deny anyone who wants to make a salary or paycheck, outside of gov't? Doesn't that go against your creed? Once again, you sound like a hypocrite, and not the "Paycheck Superhero", you claim to be!
As for Pritzker and this DEI bullshit, it is not a good time. The bullshit excuses for the Trump assassination from the SS are getting too hard to stomach. The roof was tilted. It was too hot...the head of the SS resigned ... The last SS scandals ....SS agent who fucked a Colombian woman who did not say she was a hooker...SS agency is in trouble and this crazy female SS agent is caught breaking into a salon to use the bathroom... Ahhh...is all that crazy talk of SS agents and plots unknown, is you giving up on your Repubs?
But fret not, Repubs will be "back stabbing" more than just Trump, it would seem. As Texas will be "back stabbing" voters and "suspending" (aka. illegally purging) 2 million voters from voting lists, and making them drive miles to the state election office, to validate themselves as voters.
Texas 'voter suspense' list climbs past 2 million as election gears up: report
https://www.rawstory.com/news/register-to-vote-texas/
A real threat to our Democracy is...Trump! Odious Texas voting "suspension" laws!
Spidy, you are so warped by the MSM that you think a political candidate getting shot was good for Democracy. In your fucked up head, isn't that right? Isn't Trump not being president good for Democracy even if he were shot and killed? It was okay that he was shot though because he was so immoral and unethical right? Jesus.For someone who celebrated this attempted shooting and "wet-your-pants" with the premature celebration of Trump wining in ROEvember, you sure do sound like someone with case of sour grapes! Or is it buyers remorse over a nominated "weirdo" Veep JD Vance, the "Childless Single Woman Cat Ladies" candidate?
What is next Spidy? You believe the hookers saying you got a 12 inch cock?This time, you sound like yet another Repub, comparing "crowd sizes" with a Dem! (...kkkk!)
FYI, the Repubs has lost that comparison by 2x and 3x the size and by 7+ million viewers on Day #2 of the DNC! (...kkkk!)
PS: For almost several months now, Elvis 2008, hasn't even been able to tell us, what the hell is the Trump/Vance campaign stands for, is running on, or the policies or plans they are looking to put in place to make the lives of Americans better, other than tax-cuts for the billionaires and ["drill, baby drill".
However, my main point was that the market is not a good measure of how a presidency is doing.I agree that ups and downs in the Stock Market are not saying much if anything positive or negative about how a president is doing his job. For one example, there could be a steep sell-off in the market exactly the same time that a potus is called out on some perceived blunder. But if that sell-off is only due to the Stock Market having hit multiple all-time closing highs and Christmas time is nigh, well, I would say people are simply raking off some profits to go shopping and buy stuff. Nothing negative about it. And not anything to do with that perceived blunder by the potus.
However, the Stock Market being a forward looking entity where investors are betting on better times ahead and the fact that major Bear Market declines almost always accompany notable Recessions, I would say greater Stock Market gains will be in the mix, historically, along with greater jobs creation, greater GDP Growth, fewer or shallower GDP contraction (recessions) and so on.
Therefore, in that way, better Stock Market performance and results are very likely to be an indication that the policy and stewardship at hand is also doing well and avoiding or averting disaster as much as possible.
Are Republicans or Democrats Better for the Stock Market?
https://retirementresearcher.com/are-republicans-or-democrats-better-for-the-stock-market/
From 1926 to 2023, we have had a Republican president for 47 years, and a Democratic president for 51 years. The difference in returns between the parties is pretty stark. The average annual return for the S&P 500 index when we had a Republican President was 9.32%. When we had a Democratic President, the S&P 500 average 14.78% per year. Thats a premium of 5.5% per year on average. To put it mildly, this is a really big difference.Now, we can look for every nuance and subtlety in those results, Congressional make up, etc as is mentioned in that article as well.
But when you combine that with the 3 X as many jobs created under Dems vs Repubs over the past 100 years, 50 million for Dems to 1 million for Repubs just in the past 35 years (so it is only getting far worse for Repubs over time, not better), that every Depression or Great Recession of the past 100 years started on the Repub potus' watch and often well into his presidency and on and on, it begins to strain credulity to continue to chalk it up to all these extenuating circumstances and that "stuff happens" when extenuating circumstances and stuff happens during Dem potus terms too.
There are simply too many "wild coincidences" and too much "luck" on the side of the Dem potuses and against Repub potuses and for too many decades. Imo, it is long past time we come to the unavoidable conclusion that Dem potuses are making their own good luck while Repub potuses are working very hard to make their own bad luck.
Axel Heyst
08-23-24, 21:05
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxNAdilyqow
Listen to this speech. It's more noble and truer than anything that was said in Chicago.
MarquisdeSade1
08-24-24, 00:21
I agree that ups and downs in the Stock Market are not saying much if anything positive or negative about how a president is doing his job. For one example, there could be a steep sell-off in the market exactly the same time that a potus is called out on some perceived blunder. But if that sell-off is only due to the Stock Market having hit multiple all-time closing highs and Christmas time is nigh, well, I would say people are simply raking off some profits to go shopping and buy stuff. Nothing negative about it. And not anything to do with that perceived blunder by the potus.
However, the Stock Market being a forward looking entity where investors are betting on better times ahead and the fact that major Bear Market declines almost always accompany notable Recessions, I would say greater Stock Market gains will be in the mix, historically, along with greater jobs creation, greater GDP Growth, fewer or shallower GDP contraction (recessions) and so on.
Therefore, in that way, better Stock Market performance and results are very likely to be an indication that the policy and stewardship at hand is also doing well and avoiding or averting disaster as much as possible.
Are Republicans or Democrats Better for the Stock Market?
https://retirementresearcher.com/are-republicans-or-democrats-better-for-the-stock-market/
Now, we can look for every nuance and subtlety in those results, Congressional make up, etc as is mentioned in that article as well.
But when you combine that with the 3 X as many jobs created under Dems vs Repubs over the past 100 years, 50 million for Dems to 1 million for Repubs just in the past 35 years (so it is only getting far worse for Repubs over time, not better), that every Depression or Great Recession of the past 100 years started on the Repub potus' watch and often well into his presidency and on and on, it begins to strain credulity to continue to chalk it up to all these extenuating circumstances and that "stuff happens" when extenuating circumstances and stuff happens during Dem potus terms too.
There are simply too many "wild coincidences" and too much "luck" on the side of the Dem potuses and against Repub potuses and for too many decades. Imo, it is long past time we come to the unavoidable conclusion that Dem potuses are making their own good luck while Repub potuses are working very hard to make their own bad luck.Are an existential threat to Democracy and our Republic.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/rfk-speech-democrats/2024/08/23/id/1177688/
https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/08/19/jill-stein-demands-democrats-abandon-harris-democrat-party-is-the-cause-of-fascism/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/22/jill-stein-democrats-absolutely-cheat-and-change-the-rules-to-maintain-their-grip-on-power/
I can just see the proverbial steam coming outta Trumps nostrils, as he finds out, Veep Harris, a women and his staunch rival is not only besting him with 2x and 3x the "crowd size", but is annihilating him in raising record setting campaign donations in the last month, as well.
Kamala Harris has raised nearly $500 million in the past month
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/20/harris-election-fundraising-biden.html?taid=66c53869235a150001a0400c
What a blow to his fragile ego, that must really be, that yet another women is besting him, at something Trump and Repubs are supposed to be good at...kkkk!
PS: Won't be long before he blames this latest campaign hit, on JD Vance and takes it outta his ass!
MarquisdeSade1
08-24-24, 04:43
I agree that ups and downs in the Stock Market are not saying much if anything positive or negative about how a president is doing his job. For one example, there could be a steep sell-off in the market exactly the same time that a potus is called out on some perceived blunder. But if that sell-off is only due to the Stock Market having hit multiple all-time closing highs and Christmas time is nigh, well, I would say people are simply raking off some profits to go shopping and buy stuff. Nothing negative about it. And not anything to do with that perceived blunder by the potus.
However, the Stock Market being a forward looking entity where investors are betting on better times ahead and the fact that major Bear Market declines almost always accompany notable Recessions, I would say greater Stock Market gains will be in the mix, historically, along with greater jobs creation, greater GDP Growth, fewer or shallower GDP contraction (recessions) and so on.
Therefore, in that way, better Stock Market performance and results are very likely to be an indication that the policy and stewardship at hand is also doing well and avoiding or averting disaster as much as possible.
Are Republicans or Democrats Better for the Stock Market?
https://retirementresearcher.com/are-republicans-or-democrats-better-for-the-stock-market/
Now, we can look for every nuance and subtlety in those results, Congressional make up, etc as is mentioned in that article as well.
But when you combine that with the 3 X as many jobs created under Dems vs Repubs over the past 100 years, 50 million for Dems to 1 million for Repubs just in the past 35 years (so it is only getting far worse for Repubs over time, not better), that every Depression or Great Recession of the past 100 years started on the Repub potus' watch and often well into his presidency and on and on, it begins to strain credulity to continue to chalk it up to all these extenuating circumstances and that "stuff happens" when extenuating circumstances and stuff happens during Dem potus terms too.
There are simply too many "wild coincidences" and too much "luck" on the side of the Dem potuses and against Repub potuses and for too many decades. Imo, it is long past time we come to the unavoidable conclusion that Dem potuses are making their own good luck while Repub potuses are working very hard to make their own bad luck.You try to emulate the legacy media with their hatred of the American people, you just want to be an evil propagandist for the Davos crowd like they are.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/23/rfk-jr-media-have-become-government-mouthpieces-stenographers-organs-power/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/23/rfk-rips-democrats-for-installing-war-candidate-kamala-harris/
Enjoy eternity in HELL.
RFK Shall be Great s the Head of the CIA-- We are in the third act of the Modern AMerica Story-- The Best OutCome (MAGA) is the Likely outcome-.
Get Used to Donald J Trump becoming Our President in 2024.
...
Enjoy eternity in HELL.
You're an atheist, right, as I believe you've told us a few times. Well, I was just wondering...do you have an explanation, for the people you tell to enjoy HELL or go HELL, a place atheists don't believe exists?
Or did my last quip about the nuns being a tad bit disappointed, get you to reinvigorate your faith in Christianity? (...kkkk!)
MarquisdeSade1
08-24-24, 14:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxNAdilyqow
Listen to this speech. It's more noble and truer than anything that was said in Chicago.They don't censor lies, they only censor the truth! Sound familiar hmmmm hmmm.
You try to emulate the legacy media with their hatred of the American people, you just want to be an evil propagandist for the Davos crowd like they are.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/23/rfk-jr-media-have-become-government-mouthpieces-stenographers-organs-power/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/23/rfk-rips-democrats-for-installing-war-candidate-kamala-harris/.The "worm ate my brain after I ate a dog and dumped a bear carcass in Central Park before I endorsed Trump but didn't really drop out so you can still vote for me and, hey, I might win" guy had fallen from low double digits for a brief moment or two down to low single digits and eventually closer to zero than 5%.
He was already a non entity and non issue. Stein and West could also disappear tomorrow and nobody would think to call the Missing Persons' Bureau until sometime next year.
LOL. I love that, after talking with Trump a minute or two, even lunatic RFK jr realized he could snow that numbskull into awarding him the Secretary of State job in a hypothetical 2nd Trump term by only making it "sound" to a gullible numbskull that he was dropping out and endorsing him AND that he wasn't really dropping out at all.
Lolol. What a freakin' hilarious Clown on Clown crime spree!
Meanwhile, even without the polls that would or could show a Convention Boost for Harris being yet announced, she is already leading Trump in the National Polls for the Head-to-Head and the 5-Way, also in WI, MI, PA. AZ, NV and NC on the 538 Site and the Nate Silver Bulletin, where she is leading Trump in EVERY Battleground Srate except Georgia. And she is only 0. 8 and 0. 5 point away from leading him there.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/
https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model
Did you see the cute Demonstrably Winger move RealClearPolitics pulled? They moved AZ back to the Trump side of their No Toss-Up States EC Map only on the "strength" of a lame Rasmussen poll showing Trump ahead of Harris +2 in the Head-to-Head and +1 in the 5-Way in AZ. LOL. Trying to buy time until a real polling service shows up and cannot be ignored that doesn't pre select its respondents from likely Trump supporters like Rasmussen and HarrisX does. LOL.
So I say go ahead, worm brain dude. Give it your best idiotic anti vaccine conspiracy theory shot!
Oh, and now the 538 Favored To Win page is up and running again with Harris vs Trump, which is slightly different than their regular polling consensus section linked above.
For those who care about the polls, that is. Or used to. Enjoy:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/
Chances to win:
Harris = 58 out 100.
Trump = 41 out of 100.
Projected EC Votes:
Harris = 287.
Trump = 251.
Kennedy = 0.
CheckMate1
08-24-24, 19:49
Florida
2020 Total Votes Total Registered by party % Vote / Reg Total Votes / Reg.
Trump 5,668,731 5,218,739 108.62% 449,992.
Biden 5,297,045 5,315,954 99.64% -18,909.
As of 7/31/24.
2024 Total Registered by Party.
Trump 5,324,654.
Harris 4,327,859.
About 4 million No Party Affiliation and Minor Party registered in 2020 and 2024. Assuming that 100% vote for each side, there's a deficit of about 1,000,000 votes in Trump favor. If Harris can energize the registration drive to equal to 2020 between now and election, I don't believe Trump will be able to gardner 400,00 additional votes from third party.
For Trump to win, DEM falls short on Registrations.
For Harris to win, DEM must equal or exceed Registered Voters AND pull from Haley voters.
Keep an eye on this space:
https://dos.fl.gov/elections/data-statistics/voter-registration-statistics/voter-registration-reports/voter-registration-by-party-affiliation/
MarquisdeSade1
08-25-24, 05:58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxNAdilyqow
Listen to this speech. It's more noble and truer than anything that was said in Chicago.Dum and Dummer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-3nXSf4itI
He handed the nomination to her as revenge for them knifing him in the back.
Well played Joe.
He made sure they lost, by kicking him off the ticket lololololololololol.
How dumb is a man who has never been to Thailand writing about the position on the Thai Government. His statements refuted by for different posters with way more experience than I have in Thailand.
It simply goes to show how truly stupid his commentary on American Politics are here in this thread.
I have never actually seen a logical argument that he has made to back up anything he has said up in here.
Only a real man give up something like the Presidency of the United States of America for the betterment of the country.
As for who is going to lose, I'll wait for the polls to close. Hopefully the Republicans don't try to cheat yet again and actually support fair and free elections.
Dum and Dummer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-3nXSf4itI
He handed the nomination to her as revenge for them knifing him in the back.
Well played Joe.
He made sure they lost, by kicking him off the ticket lololololololololol.
The team up of "weirdos", made of Tweedledum, Tweedledee and now Tweedleduh, changes very little.
In fact it changes NOTHING AT ALL and is just more Repub political cannon fodder, for light night TV hosts. It smells of desperation and only serves as a reminder of yet another Trump political gaffe of subtraction by addition of dumbass after dumbass to the campaign roster.
I would wager to bet, his endorsement is more of an Albatross than a St. Bernard, amidst a significant decline in supporters leaving the "bear cub" eating candidate, signaling to savvy Independent and undecided voters, that this "dumb and dumber" team up, would just be, yet again, a total fucked-up administration, but just version 2.0.
RFK Jr., the "environmental", "save the plant" candidate, endorsing Trump, the "drill baby drill", "anti-climate change", "pollute the planet" candidate, could not have sent a worst message to those perspective voters or whatever bonehead supporters he had left that actually believed he was the "environmental" choice for change, will only see this move as a disappointment and a major betrayal.
When all RFK Jr. was angling for, was a big fat cushy gov't high-level job and that's the transactional America, everything is up for sale, Trump wants.
Conclusion:
• HELL yeah, I like the enthusiasm, I'm seeing from team MAGA, for the hollow "dumb and dumber" team up!
• But as far as Dems are concerned, HELL will sooner freeze over, before "dumb, dumber and dumbest" win in ROEvember!
• Repubs just don't stand a chance in HELL with RFK Jr.!
• But I'm sure Repubs and team MAGA, will give the "dumb and dumber" team up, one HELL of try!
PS: But remember, come ROEvember, HELL (at the ballot-box) hath no fury like (voting) WOMEN scorned (by Trump and the overturn of Roe v. Wade) ...kkkk!
They want to eliminate confidential communication so Telegram founder Pavel Durov 'arrested at French airport after stepping off private plane'.
Elon is a major target too-- he will be arrested if he goes to Europe -- The CIA will have their stooges do it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13776893/Telegram-founder-CEO-Pavel-Durov-arrested.html
MarquisdeSade1
08-25-24, 18:16
How dumb is a man who has never been to Thailand writing about the position on the Thai Government. His statements refuted by for different posters with way more experience than I have in Thailand.
It simply goes to show how truly stupid his commentary on American Politics are here in this thread.
I have never actually seen a logical argument that he has made to back up anything he has said up in here.
Only a real man give up something like the Presidency of the United States of America for the betterment of the country.
As for who is going to lose, I'll wait for the polls to close. Hopefully the Republicans don't try to cheat yet again and actually support fair and free elections.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxI0180LHxc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jc-kL22fQU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVYHVBSC7gM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFwYzkhzynU
Thanks a trillion Scumbag Joe.
They want to eliminate confidential communication so Telegram founder Pavel Durov 'arrested at French airport after stepping off private plane'.
Elon is a major target too-- he will be arrested if he goes to Europe -- The CIA will have their stooges do it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13776893/Telegram-founder-CEO-Pavel-Durov-arrested.htmlYou are keeping in 100%. Everyone involved in crypto currency is currently a target. $ TON dropped a lot on the news.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxI0180LHxc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jc-kL22fQU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVYHVBSC7gM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFwYzkhzynU
Thanks a trillion Scumbag Joe.I just watched Bill Maher with some total Repub Numbskull from Texas as his guest. Being a devoted pro Repub Bothsider, Maher was either typically ill-prepared or unwilling to call him out on his astonishing fire hose of Gish Gallop Repub lies about how "Trump's policies and outcomes on the economy, national security and foreign policy beat Biden's by every metric and were the Best in History" and all that usual total Repub BS.
Maher just sat there slack-jawed and only managed to mumble something back about whatever.
I have been seeing and hearing this "We had the greatest economy, no wars, prosperity and peace in history under Trump and Biden (now Harris) can't talk, can't walk, doesn't know who he is, where he is" nonsense for years now.
Nobody in MSM who sits there in silence has thought to ask the most obvious question; if the economy was doing so well, there were no wars (Afghanistan? LOL), every metric was at its best level, peace and prosperity reigned supreme under Trump, why did he get his ass kicked in what he described as an Electoral College "Landslide" along with 7 Million fewer votes by a blithering old man who can't talk, can't talk, doesn't know who he is or where he is?
LOL. Even after Biden's 2-3 verbal / vocal ticks in that debate and Mainstream Media freaked out on their beloved Trump / Repub's behalf, demanding that the debate format Biden abided by should have been one that their beloved Trump prefers instead of the one both agreed it would be and therefore it was a "disaster" for Biden, Biden STILL more than occasionally led Trump in the 538 Who is Favored To Win the Presidency polls and Projected EC Votes Consensus for the following month right up to the week of Trump's Hannibal the Cannibal Lector RNC Nomination Acceptance Speech.
How could that have happened if Trump's policies and outcomes, as that Texas Repub Liar put it, were so great for the American people?
We did not kick out Trump's ass in a landslide (according to Trump himself) EC and popular vote total because he is dumb, rude, racist and vulgar, although he is all those things. We kicked him out because his policies and outcomes sucked. America is willing to put up with a lot of those other problems if the policy outcomes are as great as Revisionist History Repubs are trying to con us into thinking we're the case under Trump. But they weren't.
And now Trump can't even keep together his Big Revisionist History Lie High Point:
Trump Campaign Memo Admits He Lost Election in 2020.
Aug. 23, 2024
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-campaign-memo-admits-lost-election-2020-1943797
But there was one line of that caught the attention of political observers. After calculating how Kennedy's vote will break for Trump, Fabrizioa veteran GOP pollster and longtime Trump allyacknowledged that Trump lost Arizona and Georgia to President Joe Biden four years ago. Trump has still not conceded the 2020 election.Wait, Did Trump Just Admit He Lost the 2020 Election?
Aug. 23, 2024
https://www.thedailybeast.com/wait-did-donald-trump-just-admit-he-lost-the-2020-election
"This was the last week in office for me because of a horrible, horrible election where I got many millions more votes than I did the first time, but didnt quite make it, just a little bit short, Trump said. Just a little bit short. It certainly lacks the unrestrained zeal of Stop the Steal.
The fourth night of the DNC brought in a 3% bigger audience than the final night of the 2024 RNC earlier this summer, which saw 25.38 million viewers tune in (for those of you that are still measuring or counting crowd sizes...kkkk!).
IMHO, FWIW the outstanding and notable performances, were by:
--Rev. Al Sharpton - Being a New Yorker, he's known Trump for a long time and the Central Park Five speech deliver was on point and highlighted vindictive Trump.
--Comedian D.L. Hughley - "...They even have Repubs for Kamala. I guess Donald Trump, will finally know what it's like, when you get left for a younger woman!" {...crowd erupts...}
--Sen. Mark Kelly (AZ) - Strong military speech
--Nominee for Senator Ruben Gallego (AZ) - Good military & Latino speech
--Gov.Gretchen Whitmer (MI) - Okay, succinct and to the point, but could have been longer. "Kamala Harris...total badass"
--Fmr. GOP Rep.Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) - Very well done speech, that was well balanced and well presented, especially since it was coming from a fmr GOP/Repub. He had the crowd cheering, booing and erupting at the right moments, like when he said: "Donald Trump is a weak man pretending to be strong. He is a small man pretending to be big. He is a faithless man pretending to be righteous. Hes a perpetrator who cant stop playing the victim."
The Best Speech of the Night: Veep Kamala Harris
Her speech was powerful, strong, infectious and awe inspiring, over arching message, that united WE stand. It was an inclusive message to all Americans, no matter the race, sex, ethnicity, socio-economic or political affiliation, that "When WE fight WE win".
And yet at times, Harris offered, a clear, concise and the simplest of pitches, that WE bring "normalcy" and "competence" to the WH.
We own, love and respect the flag too. We are just as patriotic, loyal and respect all that it represents. And we wave-it right side up!
The DNC 57+ MILLION viewers (4 day total), surpassed expectations and garnered a 14% win over the RNC. Clearly showing the majority of Americans WANTED to view, listen and hear, the message and inspiration for "the way forward" by the Harris/Walt ticket.
These undeniable viewing numbers, are again, proof positive that the momentum or "movement", as some have begun to call it, has Americans enthusiastic about a Harris/Walt ticket, in winning in ROEvember.
HELL Yes!
MarquisdeSade1
08-26-24, 06:24
As one of the many punk ass ***** mother fuckers up in here you post nonsense.
Trump is documented as being discriminatory against his fellow Americans. Not a great candidate. But the republicans among us were not smart enough to run someone with quality of character.
See you in Pattaya, Thailand.https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=iKMU8ge6byBjZNkv&v=MWSRgPpYKrg&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3A-ubUIX6s&fbclid=IwY2xjawE479VleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHUJqfDNYPqeeK-nMOMr3f4POdNItYzmb13ZzVU5wvlcG2tmhLUc9mg8OoA_aem_4dSkYhO7o1BRjZw0FmKBMw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fDc7f5mQy0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkAcMrREu1E
Its just Sadhguru in drag.
And yes by all means please let me know when you're in Pattaya / Siam and not in one of the other 10 countries you post in every fucking day.
RamDavidson84
08-26-24, 06:44
The fourth night of the DNC brought in a 3% bigger audience than the final night of the 2024 RNC earlier this summer, which saw 25.38 million viewers tune in (for those of you that are still measuring or counting crowd sizes...kkkk!).
IMHO, FWIW the outstanding and notable performances, were by:
--Rev. Al Sharpton - Being a New Yorker, he's known Trump for a long time and the Central Park Five speech deliver was on point and highlighted vindictive Trump.
--Comedian D.L. Hughley - "...They even have Repubs for Kamala. I guess Donald Trump, will finally know what it's like, when you get left for a younger woman!" {...crowd erupts...}
--Sen. Mark Kelly (AZ) - Strong military speech
--Nominee for Senator Ruben Gallego (AZ) - Good military & Latino speech
--Gov.Gretchen Whitmer (MI) - Okay, succinct and to the point, but could have been longer. "Kamala Harris...total badass"
--Fmr. GOP Rep.Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) - Very well done speech, that was well balanced and well presented, especially since it was coming from a fmr GOP/Repub. He had the crowd cheering, booing and erupting at the right moments, like when he said: "Donald Trump is a weak man pretending to be strong. He is a small man pretending to be big. He is a faithless man pretending to be righteous. Hes a perpetrator who cant stop playing the victim."
The Best Speech of the Night: Veep Kamala Harris
Her speech was powerful, strong, infectious and awe inspiring, over arching message, that united WE stand. It was an inclusive message to all Americans, no matter the race, sex, ethnicity, socio-economic or political affiliation, that "When WE fight WE win".
And yet at times, Harris offered, a clear, concise and the simplest of pitches, that WE bring "normalcy" and "competence" to the WH.
We own, love and respect the flag too. We are just as patriotic, loyal and respect all that it represents. And we wave-it right side up!
The DNC 57+ MILLION viewers (4 day total), surpassed expectations and garnered a 14% win over the RNC. Clearly showing the majority of Americans WANTED to view, listen and hear, the message and inspiration for "the way forward" by the Harris/Walt ticket.
These undeniable viewing numbers, are again, proof positive that the momentum or "movement", as some have begun to call it, has Americans enthusiastic about a Harris/Walt ticket, in winning in ROEvember.
HELL Yes!Whoever ends up winning, I pray they perform much better than Biden as his Presidency was the worst of my lifetime.
Here is my gut feeling if Kamala wins. More lockdowns, dangerous vaccines, more wars, more inflation, huge growth in inequality as Corporate America again gets exponentially richer- Dems love those campaign donations.
My opinion is Kamala is as much of a puppet as Biden was. It was just so pathetic to have to watch that bumbling fool of a man. China, Russia, and Iran are going to walk all over Kamala.
I hope I am wrong though.
CheckMate1
08-26-24, 17:57
Whoever ends up winning, I pray they perform much better than Biden as his Presidency was the worst of my lifetime.
I'm not trolling you, just want your personal assessments without soundbites and catch phrases.
What has Biden done in the 3. 5 years that your life is at the worst point of your lifetime?
What policies that affected you personally?
There are legitimate issues that you may have affected you, eg I lost my job because his administration changed xxx and my company went under. What I tend to heard and read is "His Policies are atrocious" This does nothing for ANYONE on a discussion.
If you live in any of the border states, sure you have legitamite objections, even to legal excess immigrations.
If you don't live on the borders, how are you affected by immigration crossing the borders? Too many crossed illegally is an issue long term, but it can't possibly hurt your community currently because they are not closed enough to take resources from your community.
For all on here, please don't argue about inflations, you are on ISG because you have a hobby (a discrectionary hobby) that assumes you have excess $$$ for transportation, accomodation, and p4 p. If you do not, this may not be a good hobby for you monetarily.
So, I don't know you and how things are affecting you. But if you can be share some specifics then I'll definitely listen. Otherwise, you're just a mouth piece, if not for TRUMP, then it'll be someone else.
Don't be used.
Whoever ends up winning, I pray they perform much better than Biden as his Presidency was the worst of my lifetime.
Common misconception, amongst Repubs/QAnon/MAGA. Biden has earned the title of the 14th Best President in US History. That does not happen by doing nothing. On the other hand Trump earned the title, The Worst president in US History, by doing precisely and absolutely NOTHING!
Here is my gut feeling if Kamala wins. More lockdowns, dangerous vaccines, more wars, more inflation, huge growth in inequality as Corporate America again gets exponentially richer- Dems love those campaign donations.
Again, you have been misinformed and are mistaken about big donors and the make up of campaign donations. Both campaigns have raised hundreds of millions of dollars and yes, billionaires have contributed to both campaigns.
However, the Harris/Walz ticket has gotten millions of small money donations, which translates to more an actual real voters-at-the-ballot-box to dollars comparison than the other campaign who's tiny trickle of donors have primarily been, a handful of billionaires. All of them looking for quid pro quo transactional sell-off by Trump, of America and the WH.
Who Are Kamala Harris's 1.5 Million New Donors?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/08/22/us/elections/kamala-harris-donors.html
Again don't be misdirected by Trump's "...just tell them and they'll believe you..." lies. Just look at the unprecedented growth in manufacturing, President Biden/Veep Harris have brought back to America as the US factories and manufacturing jobs, have seen it's highest levels since 2008.
My opinion is Kamala is as much of a puppet as Biden was. It was just so pathetic to have to watch that bumbling fool of a man. China, Russia, and Iran are going to walk all over Kamala.
I think you may have misspoken and have a somewhat misguided impression of who is the "puppet" and "bumbling fool". That would be Trump! As nobody wants to see our US President and Commander in Chief, cosy up to despots, dictators and war criminals...but Trump does. Do you want that?
I remember many of you same guys, said the same thing and terribly miscalculated, about President Barack Obama! Currently President Obama is ranked as #10 (give or take) on most experts opinion lists on the best US presidents in history.
I hope I am wrong though.Do you really? Well if so, then your faith in hoping to be wrong, won't be misplaced. If you watched the DNC, the Harris/Walz ticket was a very inclusive vision of America for ALL AMERICANS!
And most of all, they will bring "normalcy", "competence" and "decency" to the WH.
HELLuva vision, momentum and one HELLuva Harris/Walz "movement"!
Whoever ends up winning, I pray they perform much better than Biden as his Presidency was the worst of my lifetime.
Here is my gut feeling if Kamala wins. More lockdowns, dangerous vaccines, more wars, more inflation, huge growth in inequality as Corporate America again gets exponentially richer- Dems love those campaign donations.
My opinion is Kamala is as much of a puppet as Biden was. It was just so pathetic to have to watch that bumbling fool of a man. China, Russia, and Iran are going to walk all over Kamala.
I hope I am wrong though.Just to make sure. This was a joke, right?
Because the "evils" that you cited are historically what Repub presidents bring to America, not Dems. And most specifically brought by Trump.
Seriously. Every one of them. Especially the lockdowns, the reason we needed vaccines at all, the inflation and income-inequality, disproportionate Corporate enrichment stuff! Those were Trump accomplishments.
And definitely including Trump's slavish deference to "Sanctions? What Sanctions?" Russia and "Make sure I win" China.
Wars? Trump was delighted to keep the USA Military directly engaged in a Repub boots-on-the-ground combat War in Afghanistan for the entirety of his presidency. Every day of it. Biden pulled our troops out of that War to literally end it more than 3 years ago.
And who kissed Iran's butt?
Killing the Iran nuclear deal was one of Trump's biggest failures.
Six years after the US withdrew from the JCPOA, prospects for its resurrection are dim and Tehran is closer than ever to a bomb.
May 8, 2024
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/iran-nuclear-deal/
Then Trump led his "celebrated patriots" into boody battle on American Soil in his War Against American Democracy in January 2021.
So, to recap: under Trump, two Wars; one Repub War in the Middle East for every day of his presidency and one NEW Repub one on Americsn soil at the Capitol.
Under Biden? Ended the War in Afghanistan more than 3 years ago and no new wars for America anywhere. Nada. Zip.
Yours might be the most astonishing exercise in Revisionist History yet.
RamDavidson84
08-26-24, 21:56
I'm not trolling you, just want your personal assessments without soundbites and catch phrases.
What has Biden done in the 3. 5 years that your life is at the worst point of your lifetime?
What policies that affected you personally?
There are legitimate issues that you may have affected you, eg I lost my job because his administration changed xxx and my company went under. What I tend to heard and read is "His Policies are atrocious" This does nothing for ANYONE on a discussion.
If you live in any of the border states, sure you have legitamite objections, even to legal excess immigrations.
If you don't live on the borders, how are you affected by immigration crossing the borders? Too many crossed illegally is an issue long term, but it can't possibly hurt your community currently because they are not closed enough to take resources from your community.
For all on here, please don't argue about inflations, you are on ISG because you have a hobby (a discrectionary hobby) that assumes you have excess $$$ for transportation, accomodation, and p4 p. If you do not, this may not be a good hobby for you monetarily.
So, I don't know you and how things are affecting you. But if you can be share some specifics then I'll definitely listen. Otherwise, you're just a mouth piece, if not for TRUMP, then it'll be someone else.
Don't be used.Me personally? The inflation has been the worst of my life time which is why for me personally, he is the worst President. Crime and fentanyl deaths are at disgraceful levels. Look up Kensington in Philadelphia, it is the saddest place you will ever see with the drug addicts and tent villages along the streets. A heavy hand needs to clean that mess up as well as secure the border and prevent fentanyl coming into the country. I lost an extremely close friend to a fentanyl over dose this year. He was a great guy, also party animal in his prime. He was prom king my senior year of high school. Instead of handling those issues, were getting tapes of Hunter Biden smoking crack with hookers and illegal fire arms.
I also have Jewish / Russian ancestry and I hate the deaths and chaos occurring under his administration in Israel and Ukraine. Personally, it is my opinion Trump was a stronger Politician who would have stood up to NATO and Ukraine and forced Ukraine to honor their original agreement to never join NATO which would have prevented that invasion. I have seen Trump openly criticize NATO in regards to how much the USA funds them compared to other countries. And yes, I condemn Russia for the invasion and hope Ukraine retains all of its territory.
I also think his hard stance against the middle east would have deterred the terrorist attack by Palestine and prevented that horrible war as well.
The Afghanistan pullout was a disaster as well.
Inflation and too many deaths. My salary increase hasn't even come close to meeting the inflation. I am not saying Trump is the best ever, but yes it is my opinion he would have been a much better President. I honestly don't see how anyone could have been worse. Biden's own party pulled a fucking coup on him he was so senile LOL.
Like I said, I am not a die hard political proponent either way and who ever is President I pray they do a good job. I cannot see how anyone could ever say Biden is anywhere near the 14th best President ever!
Misconstrued, Misinformation, Misplaced in MAGA-land? ...NO?
Common misconception, amongst Repubs/QAnon/MAGA. Biden has earned the title of the 14th Best President in US History. That does not happen by doing nothing. On the other hand Trump earned the title, The Worst president in US History, by doing precisely and absolutely NOTHING!
Again, you have been misinformed and are mistaken about big donors and the make up of campaign donations. Both campaigns have raised hundreds of millions of dollars and yes, billionaires have contributed to both campaigns.
However, the Harris/Walz ticket has gotten millions of small money donations, which translates to more an actual real voters-at-the-ballot-box to dollars comparison than the other campaign who's tiny trickle of donors have primarily been, a handful of billionaires. All of them looking for quid pro quo transactional sell-off by Trump, of America and the WH.
Who Are Kamala Harris's 1.5 Million New Donors?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/08/22/us/elections/kamala-harris-donors.html
Again don't be misdirected by Trump's "...just tell them and they'll believe you..." lies. Just look at the unprecedented growth in manufacturing, President Biden/Veep Harris have brought back to America as the US factories and manufacturing jobs, have seen it's highest levels since 2008.
I think you may have misspoken and have a somewhat misguided impression of who is the "puppet" and "bumbling fool". That would be Trump! As nobody wants to see our US President and Commander in Chief, cosy up to despots, dictators and war criminals...but Trump does. Do you want that?
I remember many of you same guys, said the same thing and terribly miscalculated, about President Barack Obama! Currently President Obama is ranked as #10 (give or take) on most experts opinion lists on the best US presidents in history.
Do you really? Well if so, then your faith in hoping to be wrong, won't be misplaced. If you watched the DNC, the Harris/Walz ticket was a very inclusive vision of America for ALL AMERICANS!
And most of all, they will bring "normalcy", "competence" and "decency" to the WH.
HELLuva vision, momentum and one HELLuva Harris/Walz "movement"!Truely.
If it was even close that a 2nd Biden or a 1st Harris presidential term would be worse in any meaningful way for the American Economy and / or National Security and certainly on the factors cited by the op, wouldn't Trump's VP, two of Trump's Defence Secretaries, Trump's Chief of Staff, Trump's Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Trump's National Security Advisor, etc, etc, etc not to mention the only other living Repub former president, his VP, another Repub former VP and any high-profile member of their Administrations bother to at least lift one leg to fart out a middling endorsement of Donald J. Trump for a 2nd presidential term?
Full List of Former Donald Trump Officials Refusing to Endorse Him.
March 24, 2024
https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-former-donald-trump-officials-refusing-endorse-him-1882733
Come on, MAGAs. Snap out of it. Get a grip. Get a clue. Blink a few times, shake your head and pull yourselves out of whatever lame Jedi Mind Trick low rent, blatantly obvious con men like Trump and the powers behind Fox News, Newsmax, Breitbart, blah blah blah has rendered you deaf, dumb and blind to the deadly serious reality so readily and easily available to you if not right there in front of your nose.
The free future, safety and well-being of your family, friends, neighbors, yourself, America and the rest of the World depend on it.
I'm not trolling you, just want your personal assessments without soundbites and catch phrases.
What has Biden done in the 3. 5 years that your life is at the worst point of your lifetime?
What policies that affected you personally?
There are legitimate issues that you may have affected you, eg I lost my job because his administration changed xxx and my company went under. What I tend to heard and read is "His Policies are atrocious" This does nothing for ANYONE on a discussion.
If you live in any of the border states, sure you have legitamite objections, even to legal excess immigrations.
If you don't live on the borders, how are you affected by immigration crossing the borders? Too many crossed illegally is an issue long term, but it can't possibly hurt your community currently because they are not closed enough to take resources from your community.
For all on here, please don't argue about inflations, you are on ISG because you have a hobby (a discrectionary hobby) that assumes you have excess $$$ for transportation, accomodation, and p4 p. If you do not, this may not be a good hobby for you monetarily.
So, I don't know you and how things are affecting you. But if you can be share some specifics then I'll definitely listen. Otherwise, you're just a mouth piece, if not for TRUMP, then it'll be someone else.
Don't be used.I would also like to understand that. What exactly -- exactly for Christ's sake -- makes Biden the worst president of our lifetime?
Remember when Obama was the worst?
Americas Worst President? I nominate Barack Obama, the anti-Lincoln.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/americas-worst-president
10 Reasons Bill Clinton Was Secretly A Terrible President (Secretly?
https://listverse.com/2014/02/05/10-reasons-bill-clinton-was-secretly-a-terrible-president
And before then the worst president was JFK, and before then Truman, and don't even start with me on FDR, the evil incarnate itself. This is a long, venerable Republican tradition to declare every successful Democratic president the worst ever. I remember how Republican congressmen in the 90's claimed it were Republican governors who were responsible for massive economic success of Clinton's administration, LOL.
I just watched Bill Maher with some total Repub Numbskull from Texas as his guest. Being a devoted pro Repub Bothsider, Maher was either typically ill-prepared or unwilling to call him out on his astonishing fire hose of Gish Gallop Repub lies about how "Trump's policies and outcomes on the economy, national security and foreign policy beat Biden's by every metric and were the Best in History" and all that usual total Repub BS.
Maher just sat there slack-jawed and only managed to mumble something back about whatever.
I have been seeing and hearing this "We had the greatest economy, no wars, prosperity and peace in history under Trump and Biden (now Harris) can't talk, can't walk, doesn't know who he is, where he is" nonsense for years now...
Yeah, I too saw that pile of dung from Bill Maher. The fact that he was pooh poohing, Bill Clinton's 50:1 new jobs numbers created by Dems vs. Repubs, since 1989 and dismissing it outta hand as "bullshit", was Bill Maher, being insufferable.
First, James Carville (Dem guest), tried but was in no shape to refute the "Trump wins on every metric", bullshit, from Dan Crenshaw (Repub guest).
While Maher, admitted Dems were better at creating jobs, he didn't believe it was 50:1 and told Carville, "....it's not 50:1, so don't lie to me!" What irks me about his flippant statement, is that he doesn't know for sure, so why bust Carville's balls, for something that was fact-checked 3x?
...But when you combine that with the 3 X as many jobs created under Dems vs Repubs over the past 100 years, 50 million for Dems to 1 million for Repubs just in the past 35 years (so it is only getting far worse for Repubs over time, not better), that every Depression or Great Recession of the past 100 years started on the Repub potus' watch and often well into his presidency and on and on, it begins to strain credulity to continue to chalk it up to all these extenuating circumstances and that "stuff happens" when extenuating circumstances and stuff happens during Dem potus terms too.
There are simply too many "wild coincidences" and too much "luck" on the side of the Dem potuses and against Repub potuses and for too many decades. Imo, it is long past time we come to the unavoidable conclusion that Dem potuses are making their own good luck while Repub potuses are working very hard to make their own bad luck.
Second, what irritated me next with Maher (and Crenshaw and CNN below), was precisely the thing, you EihTooms, have meticulously pointed out time and time again (above), is what many people annoyingly do, given these dramatic economic contrasting data points, that clearly show Repubs as serial economic failures.
People then make up excuses for the Repubs:
Oh, there was "...a pandemic, a strike, a recession, a depression, a long period of inflation, a hurricane/tornado, ...etc".
Almost as if to say, when Dems are in-office these same economic perils don't exist, when they produce economic success!
Fact-checking night 3 of the Democratic National Convention:
"Facts First: Clintons claim is true, although aspects such as timing, rounding, and large-scale national crises influence the math."
"Clintons data point also leaves out some very important externalities: the dot-com bubble, 9/11, the Great Recession and the Covid-19 pandemic. Job losses, which were sometimes massive, were prevalent during those national crises and respective downturns." https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/21/politics/fact-check-democratic-national-convention-night-3/index.html
While CNN acknowledges the fact is true, their attempt to pour cold water over it and whitewash this powerful economic FACT, is very weak. Nor do they attempt a possible ratio of their own calculation, as to what they might think is the real ratio.
So until someone debunks this, I'll be pestering Repubs with this devastating economic stat, until the cows come home. I will also be directing their warped minds about Repub economic mythology and gently guide them to this very helpful post, here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2939183&viewfull=1#post2939183
Coolie High
08-27-24, 10:20
Gentlemen,
Never have I came on here to speak about politics as I rather be talking about tigo bitties but I'm seeing some unprecedented shit. Below is an recent article about staff members from Bush, McCain and Mitt Romney ALL coming together to support Kamala. Thats INSANE🤯. I've never heard or seen this in politics as to me this speaks volumes about how folks wether you're a democrat, republican or just a hobo on the street is just tired of the constant chaos, and insanity Trump attracts and bring to the table.
So to all the former Trump supporters don't be that guy and continue to stand on the wrong side of history. Time to let the circus go and get back to the old school Republican idealogy. Think Mitt Romney. And I get it. Back in 2016 Trump came thru with his cowboy diplomacy "I'll say whatever I want antics" which at the time was a breath of fresh air then the normal political rhetoric we heard so often as so MANY good people took the bait. The best analogy of the situation that I can describe is a man that's been having ok pussy from his wife for decades. Nothing special about the sex just good old fashion missionary pussy. You don't have to worry about getting the clap or any stds because she's not that type of girl. She's just regular stable pussy that gives you decent head when the kids are away and swallows from time to time.
You then come across a volatile crazy woman that's down to fulfill EVERY erotic desire you've been dreaming of ever since you were a teenager. And she delivers BIG time. Choking her while putting it in her ass before taking the money shot. CHECK!! Golden Showers while she's handcuffed. CHECK!! Having your toes curl like Eddie Murphy off Boomerang from her majetic 90 min NON-stop deep throat action. CHECK with Seal of Approval 👍. That Hawk Tuee girl aint got shit on volatile pussy. So yeah good bye to old fashion missionary (Republican party), I'm going to go fuck with volatile pussy (Trump) and ride with her from here on out. And for a time life was good but now you see what volatile pussy cost you. STD'S you didn't think still existed or never heard of keep coming your way. NOTHING major like the dreaded hiv BUT that old testament 7 year itch (scabies) along with trichomoniasis and old gonnereahea is causing problems and setbacks. While you're constantly having to take antibiotics every few months, she goes and TOTALS your car for the 3RD time. Why, because volatile pussy stop taking her bi-polar meds again and was having a bad day.
Yeah she made amends and paid to get you a new car as she came thru and paid you back as promised. How did she get the money? Well onlyfans blew up for her as she got weirdos paying her just to watch her sleep. Man this could be a real good come up you ponder but then you realize she spends her money on every dumb thing you can imagine. NO savings, barely a checking account with 10 dollars in it on average as her credit cards are ALWAYS maxed out even though she makes 250 k a year. And guess who she comes to when she's short on her 6 k a month mortgage OR need new break pads on a used Bugatti she got at a good price from a former drug dealer. And the CHAOS doesn't stop🤯. She doesn't know that she has to pay taxes from her onlyfans as now uncle Sam wants his cut. And she hasn't paid taxes in 4 years. So now she needs a good tax attorney as they froozen her account. Who you think she's going to call to help pay her bills. Sure as hell isn't Ghostbusters.
BUT WAIT THERES MORE😬. In the beginning you would strut like a proud peacock like yeah looked at this fine hunny by myside, she just blew me while going 100 miles per hour on the freeway BUT now everytime you go out you're on pins and needles because she might have a world star moment for all the world to see that she'll then post on Tiktok to get more views. She got millions of follwers now and she LOVES the attention. As the drama continues to pile up and not to be totally selfish, she senses her volatile crazy ways are putting a damper on you so she ups the anty and is willing to do 3 somes, 4 somes, perform a Blumpkin with her and another fine hunny that she'll find for you, HELL whatever you want just so you can continue to put up with ALL her craziness but its becomeing way too much. The final straw was seeing her getting shot at, seeing someone actually die and you being right there in the thick of it.
So what do you do. You start to head back to old missionary pussy. You find out on the news that old senile pussy (Joe Biden) is out of the way now as missionary pussy is back on the market. She maybe boring at times but old missionary aint going to burn down your house like Left Eye from TLC or give you scabies 😬. She aint going to embaress you when you're out with your friends and family because she can hold her liquor and not pass out by the trash can outside the nightclub while she pisses herself. Nope, old missionary pussy is going to stay classy. And if she acts a fool and go crazy she'll do it in the confines of your home and NOT for the world or onlyfans to see. So you look at old missionary and then you take a hard look at volatile pussy,.
You go and smash volatile pussy one last time😆 with a condom on and some reynolds wrap around your groin and pelvic area for fear of warts or she may give you the gift that keeps on giving (herpes). Or worst yet a baby to trap your ass because you got to be clean and bring no past drama when getting back with old missionary pussy (her terms and conditions) as afterwards you block volatile pussy number, delete all her social media from your phone, smile about those fun memories when the good times were truly memorable and then call up old missionary. Old missionary is ecstatic to see and hear back from you as well as the market was bleak with her dealings with Caitlyn Jenner types and being around old senile pussy all day as she's not a lesbian or into any weirdo shit. But for old time sake just to show you her appreciation she plays dressup for you and let you pretend she was monica lewinsky at the oval office as she lets you skeet all on her lips & blouse. And that's what the country is doing right now. Heading back to old missionary.
So make that change, shake off that addictive volatile pussy and hop back on this Old Missionary pussy and go balls deep for old times sake🤣. Peace.
https://newrepublic.com/post/185309/kamala-harris-republican-staffers-endorsement-mccain-romney-bush
P.S. For the record I'm neither a Dem or Rep. I'm an American. Which means I embrace both parties. I did vote for Obama twice. Did NOT vote for Trump, Hillary, or Biden. Would voted for Romney if he made a comeback but I see Kamala is making her ascension and if we all being honest its a huge breath of fresh air. Don't know if I'll vote for her yet BUT I do love the fact that I'm seeing folks from all parties come together and appreciate that they prefer that old missionary stable pussy where the chaos and insanity of the day would be how Obama shouldve worn a tie with his outfit or a man by the name of Clinton that look into the public eye and emphatically say, "I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN🤣.
I'm Coolie High, And I approve this message. Sorry I couldn't resist😆.
50:1 million jobs created is NOT bullshit, Bill Maher...
Yeah, I too saw that pile of dung from Bill Maher. The fact that he was pooh poohing, Bill Clinton's 50:1 new jobs numbers created by Dems vs. Repubs, since 1989 and dismissing it outta hand as "bullshit", was Bill Maher, being insufferable.
First, James Carville (Dem guest), tried but was in no shape to refute the "Trump wins on every metric", bullshit, from Dan Crenshaw (Repub guest).
While Maher, admitted Dems were better at creating jobs, he didn't believe it was 50:1 and told Carville, "....it's not 50:1, so don't lie to me!" What irks me about his flippant statement, is that he doesn't know for sure, so why bust Carville's balls, for something that was fact-checked 3x?
Second, what irritated me next with Maher (and Crenshaw and CNN below), was precisely the thing, you EihTooms, have meticulously pointed out time and time again (above), is what many people annoyingly do, given these dramatic economic contrasting data points, that clearly show Repubs as serial economic failures.
People then make up excuses for the Repubs:
Oh, there was "...a pandemic, a strike, a recession, a depression, a long period of inflation, a hurricane/tornado, ...etc".
Almost as if to say, when Dems are in-office these same economic perils don't exist, when they produce economic success!
[i]Fact-checking night 3 of the Democratic National Convention:
"Facts First: Clintons claim is true, although aspects such as timing, rounding, and large-scale national crises influence the math.So Maher kisses MAGA butt so they will show up at his shows in the studio and Winger cities and states while top universities no longer see any value in hosting his tired old style and jokes.
His audience is so Winger MAGA now they applaud his every slam of Biden, Harris, Dems, The Truth as in that 50 Million vs 1 Million jobs creation for Dems vs Repubs since 1989 TRUTH he and his MAGAs refuse to accept and believe. No wonder Repub Winger MAGAs "love" Bill Maher and consider him to be a typically pro Repub "Bothsider truth-teller. " he lies, repeats and accepts without push back the central Repub Winger MAGA Campaign talking point lies about Dems and their far, far superior record of results on the Economy and National Security for more Americans going back at least 100 years.
I also blame blithering Carville for not being prepared for that fire hose Gish Gallop of Repub LIES flooding uninterrupted out of Repub Creanshaw's pie hole. Why didn't he have that 100,000,000 vs 37,000,000 jobs created, Dems vs Repubs, going back 100 years as long as Bill Maher is KNOWN to side with Repub LIARS over Dems at every significant and critical opportunity?
Maher wants to dismiss and accuse Clinton, facts, DATA and the Actual Historical Record of Results of lying about poor Repub GW Bush's and poor Repub Trump's horrific handling of the SPECTACULAR Dem economies handed to them? I would love to have heard his sputtering, lame excuses for his beloved Repubs colossal underperformsnce on economies they can't produce at least good enough to create HALF as many jobs as the Dems over the past 100 years.
"Oh , there was "...a pandemic, a strike, a recession, a depression, a long period of inflation, a hurricane/tornado, ...etc".
Hey, I'll give any Party a pass on "hurricanes / tornados". To a degree. I mean, not if Red Staters continue to build, rebuild and suffer in shitholes prone to be hit with devastating "hurricanes / tornados" every two years that the rest of us have to stop the world to rescue and recover them from.
But constant Great Repub Recessions, Great Repub Depressions, Great Repub Massive Jobs Destruction, Great Repub Whatever Once in 100 Years Disaster Ya' Got and all of the Great Repub Deficit Spending, Great Repub Inflation, Great Repub Skyrocketing Prices and Great Repub Crime Rates that inevitably and unavoidably follow do not deserve one more second of forgiveness and excuses from ANYONE.
After 100 years of that same mind-boggling pattern, there should be no doubt that result is what Repubs consider to be their JOB and vocation, their mission to produce and not an "accident" or a series of inexplicable "wild coincidences. "
And now, with Trump, they are targeting American Democracy itself, democracy at home and abroad, for the Repub Party's special patented brand of chaos, collapse and destruction.
ErsatzJulian
08-27-24, 14:56
The inflation has been the worst of my life time which is why for me personally, he is the worst President. Crime and fentanyl deaths are at disgraceful levels. Look up Kensington in Philadelphia, it is the saddest place you will ever see with the drug addicts and tent villages along the streets. A heavy hand needs to clean that mess up as well as secure the border and prevent fentanyl coming into the country.These are very odd complaints against a president. It is generally agreed amongst economists that the recent about of inflation was caused by supply chain issues brought on by COVID. And most economists would say the Federal Reserve is in a better position to deal with it than the executive branch. And FWIW, Chairman Powell was re-appointed by Donald Trump. As for the Philadelphia problem, that's a municipal issue. If you wish to blame the President for a municipal problem, then by the same logic, shouldn't you be praising the President for the well-run cities and towns in the country?
Gentlemen,
Never have I came on here to speak about politics as I rather be talking about tigo bitties but I'm seeing some unprecedented shit. Below is an recent article about staff members from Bush, McCain and Mitt Romney ALL coming together to support Kamala. Thats INSANE🤯. I've never heard or seen this in politics as to me this speaks volumes about how folks wether you're a democrat, republican or just a hobo on the street is just tired of the constant chaos, and insanity Trump attracts and bring to the table.
So to all the former Trump supporters don't be that guy and continue to stand on the wrong side of history. Time to let the circus go and get back to the old school Republican idealogy. Think Mitt Romney. And I get it. Back in 2016 Trump came thru with his cowboy diplomacy "I'll say whatever I want antics" which at the time was a breath of fresh air then the normal political rhetoric we heard so often as so MANY good people took the bait. The best analogy of the situation that I can describe is a man that's been having ok pussy from his wife for decades. Nothing special about the sex just good old fashion missionary pussy. You don't have to worry about getting the clap or any stds because she's not that type of girl. She's just regular stable pussy that gives you decent head when the kids are away and swallows from time to time.
You then come across a volatile crazy woman that's down to fulfill EVERY erotic desire you've been dreaming of ever since you were a teenager. And she delivers BIG time. Choking her while putting it in her ass before taking the money shot. CHECK!! Golden Showers while she's handcuffed. CHECK!! Having your toes curl like Eddie Murphy off Boomerang from her majetic 90 min NON-stop deep throat action. CHECK with Seal of Approval 👍. That Hawk Tuee girl aint got shit on volatile pussy. So yeah good bye to old fashion missionary (Republican party), I'm going to go fuck with volatile pussy (Trump) and ride with her from here on out. And for a time life was good but now you see what volatile pussy cost you. STD'S you didn't think still existed or never heard of keep coming your way. NOTHING major like the dreaded hiv BUT that old testament 7 year itch (scabies) along with trichomoniasis and old gonnereahea is causing problems and setbacks. While you're constantly having to take antibiotics every few months, she goes and TOTALS your car for the 3RD time. Why, because volatile pussy stop taking her bi-polar meds again and was having a bad day.
Yeah she made amends and paid to get you a new car as she came thru and paid you back as promised. How did she get the money? Well onlyfans blew up for her as she got weirdos paying her just to watch her sleep. Man this could be a real good come up you ponder but then you realize she spends her money on every dumb thing you can imagine. NO savings, barely a checking account with 10 dollars in it on average as her credit cards are ALWAYS maxed out even though she makes 250 k a year. And guess who she comes to when she's short on her 6 k a month mortgage OR need new break pads on a used Bugatti she got at a good price from a former drug dealer. And the CHAOS doesn't stop🤯. She doesn't know that she has to pay taxes from her onlyfans as now uncle Sam wants his cut. And she hasn't paid taxes in 4 years. So now she needs a good tax attorney as they froozen her account. Who you think she's going to call to help pay her bills. Sure as hell isn't Ghostbusters.
BUT WAIT THERES MORE😬. In the beginning you would strut like a proud peacock like yeah looked at this fine hunny by myside, she just blew me while going 100 miles per hour on the freeway BUT now everytime you go out you're on pins and needles because she might have a world star moment for all the world to see that she'll then post on Tiktok to get more views. She got millions of follwers now and she LOVES the attention. As the drama continues to pile up and not to be totally selfish, she senses her volatile crazy ways are putting a damper on you so she ups the anty and is willing to do 3 somes, 4 somes, perform a Blumpkin with her and another fine hunny that she'll find for you, HELL whatever you want just so you can continue to put up with ALL her craziness but its becomeing way too much. The final straw was seeing her getting shot at, seeing someone actually die and you being right there in the thick of it.
So what do you do. You start to head back to old missionary pussy. You find out on the news that old senile pussy (Joe Biden) is out of the way now as missionary pussy is back on the market. She maybe boring at times but old missionary aint going to burn down your house like Left Eye from TLC or give you scabies 😬. She aint going to embaress you when you're out with your friends and family because she can hold her liquor and not pass out by the trash can outside the nightclub while she pisses herself. Nope, old missionary pussy is going to stay classy. And if she acts a fool and go crazy she'll do it in the confines of your home and NOT for the world or onlyfans to see. So you look at old missionary and then you take a hard look at volatile pussy,.
You go and smash volatile pussy one last time😆 with a condom on and some reynolds wrap around your groin and pelvic area for fear of warts or she may give you the gift that keeps on giving (herpes). Or worst yet a baby to trap your ass because you got to be clean and bring no past drama when getting back with old missionary pussy (her terms and conditions) as afterwards you block volatile pussy number, delete all her social media from your phone, smile about those fun memories when the good times were truly memorable and then call up old missionary. Old missionary is ecstatic to see and hear back from you as well as the market was bleak with her dealings with Caitlyn Jenner types and being around old senile pussy all day as she's not a lesbian or into any weirdo shit. But for old time sake just to show you her appreciation she plays dressup for you and let you pretend she was monica lewinsky at the oval office as she lets you skeet all on her lips & blouse. And that's what the country is doing right now. Heading back to old missionary.
So make that change, shake off that addictive volatile pussy and hop back on this Old Missionary pussy and go balls deep for old times sake🤣. Peace.
https://newrepublic.com/post/185309/kamala-harris-republican-staffers-endorsement-mccain-romney-bush
P.S. For the record I'm neither a Dem or Rep. I'm an American. Which means I embrace both parties. I did vote for Obama twice. Did NOT vote for Trump, Hillary, or Biden. Would voted for Romney if he made a comeback but I see Kamala is making her ascension and if we all being honest its a huge breath of fresh air. Don't know if I'll vote for her yet BUT I do love the fact that I'm seeing folks from all parties come together and appreciate that they prefer that old missionary stable pussy where the chaos and insanity of the day would be how Obama shouldve worn a tie with his outfit or a man by the name of Clinton that look into the public eye and emphatically say, "I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN🤣.
I'm Coolie High, And I approve this message. Sorry I couldn't resist😆.You are correct in your assessment of this, Sir.
However, if I may repeat your accurate portrayal of this unprecedented turn of events only to celebrate the fact that it is, for once, a SANE response by Repubs instead of an "INSANE" one.
For once.
And, again if I may, a great, rare SANE response from Repubs to the most important political issue of our lifetimes bears repeating:
More than 200 former Bush, McCain and Romney staffers endorse Harris.
The alumni of the three Republican presidential nominees sought to reiterate their opposition to Trump's 2020 re-election in an open letter.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/200-former-bush-mccain-romney-staffers-endorse-harris-rcna168363
More than 200 Republicans who worked for both Bush presidents, the late Sen. John McCain and Sen. Mitt Romney declared their endorsement of Vice President Kamala Harris presidential campaign in an open letter released Monday.
The letter comes after several Republicans who are openly critical of former President Donald Trump delivered remarks at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago last week.
In their letter, which was first reported by USA Today, the former staff members noted that they had come out against Trump during the 2020 election cycle and said they "jointly declare that were voting for Vice President Kamala Harris and Gov. Tim Walz this November."
"Of course, we have plenty of honest, ideological disagreements with Vice President Harris and Gov. Walz. Thats to be expected," they wrote. "The alternative, however, is simply untenable."
The group condemned Trump's policies and Project 2025, a proposed blueprint by the Heritage Foundation for a second Trump term that the former president has sought to distance himself from, saying those proposals "will hurt real, everyday people and weaken our sacred institutions."
They argued that Trump's approach to foreign policy also poses threats to democratic movements abroad and concluded their letter by imploring moderate Republicans and conservative independents to "take a brave stand once more, to vote for leaders that will strive for consensus, not chaos; that will make our country and our children proud" by voting for Harris and Walz.
Trump campaign spokesperson Steven Cheung said in a statement that the letter is "hilarious because nobody knows who these people are. They would rather see the country burn down than to see President Trump successfully return to the White House to Make America Great Again."
The Harris campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
McCain's former chief of staff Mark Salter and Olivia Troye, a former aide to Vice President Mike Pence, signed the letter. Troye spoke out against Trump at the Democratic National Convention last week.
The group joins more than two dozen Republicans former governors, members of Congress and Trump administration officials who are vocal critics of Trump who pledged support for Harris' presidential campaign this month.
A similar group of anti-Trump Republicans, including several hundred former aides to George W. Bush and McCain, endorsed Bidens 2020 presidential election campaign.
Bush McCain and Romney spoke out against Trump for his inflammatory remarks and were targets of the former presidents attacks. (McCain, of Arizona, died in 2018, a decade after being the GOP presidential nominee; Romney, of Utah, was the party's nominee in 2012.)
Bush, whose brother Jeb Bush ran against Trump in the 2016 Republican presidential primary, did not attend the Republican National Convention last month. He has not publicly criticized Trump, but he did hold a 2021 fundraiser for then-Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., a vocal Trump critic who served as vice chair of the House Jan. 6 committee.
McCain said in 2016 that he couldnt back Trump or Democrat Hillary Clinton, citing Trumps inflammatory comments about women. His wife, Cindy McCain, later endorsed Biden in the 2020 election.
Romney, who voted twice to convict Trump at his impeachment trials, has repeatedly denounced the former president and said he is putting the countrys future in peril.Oh sure sure sure, Trump Cultists will spin this as the "evil Deep State out to get our Dear Leader, the now and forever poor poor victim of cruel meanies who just don't understand his celestial, oh please correct that, GODLY qualities"!
But the reality is Trump is a DISASTER for the economic, national security and democratic future of America and the rest of the World. And even those Repubs can not allow themselves to stand by and ignore it.
RamDavidson84
08-27-24, 19:13
These are very odd complaints against a president. It is generally agreed amongst economists that the recent about of inflation was caused by supply chain issues brought on by COVID. And most economists would say the Federal Reserve is in a better position to deal with it than the executive branch. And FWIW, Chairman Powell was re-appointed by Donald Trump. As for the Philadelphia problem, that's a municipal issue. If you wish to blame the President for a municipal problem, then by the same logic, shouldn't you be praising the President for the well-run cities and towns in the country?I was asked how my life has personally gotten worse since Biden took office. I live near Philadelphia and Kensington which is why I used that as an example. The fentanyl and crime problem in urban areas is nation wide and Biden and Democrats ran the defund the police campaign which I believe greatly contributed to higher crime rates. What would be "odd", in my opinion, is if I didn't care about that and pretended everything was fine as yearly deaths from fentanyl reached 100 k to 60 k a year by most estimates. The completely open border policy of Biden and Harris allowed all that fentanyl to come through and put more cash in the hands of cartels while also destroying the lives and communities of Americans.
I know covid greatly contributed to inflation and no matter what some inflation was going to occur. But donating hundreds of Billions to Ukraine is not the way to deal with inflation. Longer unnecessary lockdowns, "like the ones in California" was not to combat inflation. Shutting down the Canadian oil pipeline and costing tens of thousands of people their jobs is not going to help inflation. Federal reserve needs to lower them interests rates so people can afford housing. Trump already that's one of the first things he will do and I agree. I can't wait for the that refi loan to pay off my debt from everything being so expensive.
So it is my opinion that Biden is the worst of my life time which is Presidents since Reagan. As I said before, I am absolutely not the expert and I go by my gut and what I see in my everyday life and when I analyze policy I won't claim to be a know-it-all, but it seems to me Trump is the much better candidate at this point. And based off his constant interviews he will fight for America and his own legacy. The man does not hide, but he does sometimes over do it and say stupid shit. No one is perfect. He wants to be remembered as a great man and he knows what people want. Most Americans just want more cash in their pockets, no more foreign wars, respect and fairness from other countries. All of those things took place during his presidency and none of them took place during Biden's.
RamDavidson84
08-27-24, 19:18
Gentlemen,
Never have I came on here to speak about politics as I rather be talking about tigo bitties but I'm seeing some unprecedented shit. Below is an recent article about staff members from Bush, McCain and Mitt Romney ALL coming together to support Kamala. Thats INSANE🤯. I've never heard or seen this in politics as to me this speaks volumes about how folks wether you're a democrat, republican or just a hobo on the street is just tired of the constant chaos, and insanity Trump attracts and bring to the table.
So to all the former Trump supporters don't be that guy and continue to stand on the wrong side of history. Time to let the circus go and get back to the old school Republican idealogy. Think Mitt Romney. And I get it. Back in 2016 Trump came thru with his cowboy diplomacy "I'll say whatever I want antics" which at the time was a breath of fresh air then the normal political rhetoric we heard so often as so MANY good people took the bait. The best analogy of the situation that I can describe is a man that's been having ok pussy from his wife for decades. Nothing special about the sex just good old fashion missionary pussy. You don't have to worry about getting the clap or any stds because she's not that type of girl. She's just regular stable pussy that gives you decent head when the kids are away and swallows from time to time.
You then come across a volatile crazy woman that's down to fulfill EVERY erotic desire you've been dreaming of ever since you were a teenager. And she delivers BIG time. Choking her while putting it in her ass before taking the money shot. CHECK!! Golden Showers while she's handcuffed. CHECK!! Having your toes curl like Eddie Murphy off Boomerang from her majetic 90 min NON-stop deep throat action. CHECK with Seal of Approval 👍. That Hawk Tuee girl aint got shit on volatile pussy. So yeah good bye to old fashion missionary (Republican party), I'm going to go fuck with volatile pussy (Trump) and ride with her from here on out. And for a time life was good but now you see what volatile pussy cost you. STD'S you didn't think still existed or never heard of keep coming your way. NOTHING major like the dreaded hiv BUT that old testament 7 year itch (scabies) along with trichomoniasis and old gonnereahea is causing problems and setbacks. While you're constantly having to take antibiotics every few months, she goes and TOTALS your car for the 3RD time. Why, because volatile pussy stop taking her bi-polar meds again and was having a bad day.
Yeah she made amends and paid to get you a new car as she came thru and paid you back as promised. How did she get the money? Well onlyfans blew up for her as she got weirdos paying her just to watch her sleep. Man this could be a real good come up you ponder but then you realize she spends her money on every dumb thing you can imagine. NO savings, barely a checking account with 10 dollars in it on average as her credit cards are ALWAYS maxed out even though she makes 250 k a year. And guess who she comes to when she's short on her 6 k a month mortgage OR need new break pads on a used Bugatti she got at a good price from a former drug dealer. And the CHAOS doesn't stop🤯. She doesn't know that she has to pay taxes from her onlyfans as now uncle Sam wants his cut. And she hasn't paid taxes in 4 years. So now she needs a good tax attorney as they froozen her account. Who you think she's going to call to help pay her bills. Sure as hell isn't Ghostbusters.
BUT WAIT THERES MORE😬. In the beginning you would strut like a proud peacock like yeah looked at this fine hunny by myside, she just blew me while going 100 miles per hour on the freeway BUT now everytime you go out you're on pins and needles because she might have a world star moment for all the world to see that she'll then post on Tiktok to get more views. She got millions of follwers now and she LOVES the attention. As the drama continues to pile up and not to be totally selfish, she senses her volatile crazy ways are putting a damper on you so she ups the anty and is willing to do 3 somes, 4 somes, perform a Blumpkin with her and another fine hunny that she'll find for you, HELL whatever you want just so you can continue to put up with ALL her craziness but its becomeing way too much. The final straw was seeing her getting shot at, seeing someone actually die and you being right there in the thick of it.
So what do you do. You start to head back to old missionary pussy. You find out on the news that old senile pussy (Joe Biden) is out of the way now as missionary pussy is back on the market. She maybe boring at times but old missionary aint going to burn down your house like Left Eye from TLC or give you scabies 😬. She aint going to embaress you when you're out with your friends and family because she can hold her liquor and not pass out by the trash can outside the nightclub while she pisses herself. Nope, old missionary pussy is going to stay classy. And if she acts a fool and go crazy she'll do it in the confines of your home and NOT for the world or onlyfans to see. So you look at old missionary and then you take a hard look at volatile pussy,.
You go and smash volatile pussy one last time😆 with a condom on and some reynolds wrap around your groin and pelvic area for fear of warts or she may give you the gift that keeps on giving (herpes). Or worst yet a baby to trap your ass because you got to be clean and bring no past drama when getting back with old missionary pussy (her terms and conditions) as afterwards you block volatile pussy number, delete all her social media from your phone, smile about those fun memories when the good times were truly memorable and then call up old missionary. Old missionary is ecstatic to see and hear back from you as well as the market was bleak with her dealings with Caitlyn Jenner types and being around old senile pussy all day as she's not a lesbian or into any weirdo shit. But for old time sake just to show you her appreciation she plays dressup for you and let you pretend she was monica lewinsky at the oval office as she lets you skeet all on her lips & blouse. And that's what the country is doing right now. Heading back to old missionary.
So make that change, shake off that addictive volatile pussy and hop back on this Old Missionary pussy and go balls deep for old times sake🤣. Peace.
https://newrepublic.com/post/185309/kamala-harris-republican-staffers-endorsement-mccain-romney-bush
P.S. For the record I'm neither a Dem or Rep. I'm an American. Which means I embrace both parties. I did vote for Obama twice. Did NOT vote for Trump, Hillary, or Biden. Would voted for Romney if he made a comeback but I see Kamala is making her ascension and if we all being honest its a huge breath of fresh air. Don't know if I'll vote for her yet BUT I do love the fact that I'm seeing folks from all parties come together and appreciate that they prefer that old missionary stable pussy where the chaos and insanity of the day would be how Obama shouldve worn a tie with his outfit or a man by the name of Clinton that look into the public eye and emphatically say, "I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN🤣.
I'm Coolie High, And I approve this message. Sorry I couldn't resist😆.Unprecedented to see political party members switch? You didn't notice Tulsi Gabbard and RFK jr? Just saying, it goes both ways. Those 200 people are no name nothings as well. I don't think its as big a deal as you make it out to be which is why no main stream media outlets have even covered it.
... I am not saying Trump is the best ever, but yes it is my opinion he would have been a much better President. I honestly don't see how anyone could have been worse.
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Like I said, I am not a die hard political proponent either way and who ever is President I pray they do a good job. I cannot see how anyone could ever say Biden is anywhere near the 14th best President ever! I understand it's just your opinion, but do you have anything to compare and contrast the two (2) president's accomplishments to backup your opinion, as to why you think, Trump "would have been much better"? Or why Trump isn't the worse president in US history vs. Biden as the 14th Best, other than just an "opinion"?
Biden's own party pulled a fucking coup on him he was so senile LOL. Perhaps! At age 81, it's expected your cognitive skills do diminish, but Biden isn't anywhere near the point of senility you're suggesting.
At age 78, Trump's cognitive skill have also diminished, far more considerably IMHO. But he just masks it better, since 95% of the stuff that comes outta his mouth is babbling bullshit and lies, IMHO. (Note: To be honest, it is really not just "my opinion", there are tons of sites tracking his lies. Saw one the other day, pronouncing him the biggest liar in US political history).
So if he's constantly uttering lies, nonsense and gibberish, does that sound like a rational person to you? Do you even know what's REAL, when he say's (...trying to use his Jedi mind trick):
" That's it! You just tell them and they believe. They just do!" or "People will just believe you. You just tell them, and they believe you."
Me personally? The inflation has been the worst of my life time which is why for me personally, he is the worst President. Crime and fentanyl deaths are at disgraceful levels. Look up Kensington in Philadelphia, it is the saddest place you will ever see with the drug addicts and tent villages along the streets. A heavy hand needs to clean that mess up as well as secure the border and prevent fentanyl coming into the country. I lost an extremely close friend to a fentanyl over dose this year. He was a great guy, also party animal in his prime. He was prom king my senior year of high school. Instead of handling those issues, were getting tapes of Hunter Biden smoking crack with hookers and illegal fire arms. You've addressed quite a few things here, but I will only address one thing w/r to the "tent villages". And BTW, sorry for your loss!
So last I checked being poor or poverty stricken isn't a crime. While tent villages may go against city bylaws, it is not a crime either. So how would you have your "heavy handed" Trump administration deal with the unwanted "tent villages" along US streets all around the country, since these people aren't committing crimes? (Unlike Trump and his 34 felony conviction!)
RamDavidson84
08-27-24, 19:50
I understand it's your opinion, but do you have anything to compare and contrast the two (2) presidents, accomplishments to backup your opinion, as to why Trump isn't the worse president in US history vs. Biden as the 14th Best, other than just an "opinion"?
Perhaps! At age 81, it's expected your cognitive skills do diminish, but Biden isn't anywhere near the point of senility you're suggesting.
At age 78, Trump's cognitive skill have also diminished, far more considerably IMHO. But he just masks it better, since 95% of the stuff that comes outta his mouth is babbling bullshit and lies, IMHO. (Note: To be honest, it is really not just "my opinion", there are tons of sites tracking his lies. Saw one the other day, pronouncing him the biggest liar in US political history).
So if he's constantly uttering lies, nonsense and gibberish, does that sound like a rational person to you? Do you even know what's REAL, when he say's (...trying to use his Jedi mind trick):
" That's it! You just tell them and they believe. They just do!" or "People will just believe you. You just tell them, and they believe you."
You've addressed quite a few things here, but I will only address one thing w/r to the "tent villages". And BTW, sorry for your loss!
So last I checked being poor or poverty stricken isn't a crime. While tent villages may go against city bylaws, it is not a crime either. So how would you have your "heavy handed" Trump administration deal with the unwanted "tent villages" along US streets all around the country, since these people aren't committing crimes? (Unlike Trump and his 34 felony conviction!)See'Mon., don't twist my post with that word jiu jitsu shit LOL. I never said being poor was a crime. Most of those people in tents living on the sidewalks in front of people's homes and businesses are not just poor. Majority are irresponsible drug addicts who are also criminals. I see it everyday bro. And to the small percenatge that are just people who are down on their luck, absolutely my heart goes out to them. My heart goes out to the people who got hooked on drugs as well. But you can't allow that to happen to a city.
Step 1: Secure the border and stop the flow of fentanyl.
Step 2: More funding for police and social services to remove the tents, criminals, and drug addicts from public places.
Step 3: Harsher laws for criminals.
Step 4: Strengthen economy and fight inflation so everyone has opportunity to earn money for themselves so they don't end up in desperate situations. Strong economy also means more tax dollars for social services.
The solution is definitely not "defund the police" and let drug addicts take over cities like they did in Seattle during the "summer of love" LOL, or just let riots breakout across the country where innocent businesses are burned to the ground and then pretend they are not rioters but peaceful protesters.
CheckMate1
08-27-24, 23:39
"Biden's own party pulled a fucking coup on him he was so senile LOL. ".
This is my flow chart: COUNTRY > PARTY > Individual.
If an invidual isn't fit to do a job, I would think the Party should step in to intervene.
Not only did Trump's classic Repub economic and national security policies, decisions and stewardship lay the groundwork to convert a likely manageable epidemic isolated and confined to one region in China until plenty of fully tested and safe vaccines could be invented and distributed around the world into the historically deadly and worldwide economy-destroying Trump's Pandemic it became with all of the global supply-chain Inflation, skyrocketing prices for rent, food and gas that followed, but his 2nd term plan is to wreak economic havoc even beyond the historic damage he produced in his 1st term.
Add this assessment by Trump's alma mater to all the other Nobel Prize-winning economists' assessments for his 2nd term plan triggering even more inflation and wiping out millions more jobs than the historic heights on those and other factors his 1st term produced.
Trump budget plan would spike deficits 5 times more than Harris: Penn Wharton.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/27/trump-harris-budget-deficit-economy-election.html?__source=androidappshare
Republican Donald Trumps economic proposals would increase federal deficits by almost five times more over the next decade than those of Democratic nominee Vice President Kamala Harris, per two reports by the Penn Wharton Budget Model.
Harris has proposed raising corporate taxes to pay for her plan while Trump has put forward a hardline tariff policy on all imports, including higher rates for China.
The Trump and Harris campaigns are in a race to paint the other side as an economic danger, each trying to win over voters fatigued by the higher cost of living.Only enemies of America, domestic and foreign, would want a Repub to occupy the Oval Office in the White House ever again. And most especially since we have seen what that Party's Geatest Iconic Representative, Donald J. Trump, is like, what he has done and since the Repub MAGA 6 in the Supreme Court has made it abundantly clear that any Repub Majority in that Court now and forever will always rule in favor of any Repub potus' effort and desire to be declared King and Above the Law.
You then come across a volatile crazy woman that's down to fulfill EVERY erotic desire you've been dreaming of ever since you were a teenager. And she delivers BIG time. Choking her while putting it in her ass before taking the money shot. CHECK!! Golden Showers while she's handcuffed. CHECK!! Having your toes curl like Eddie Murphy off Boomerang from her majetic 90 min NON-stop deep throat action. CHECK with Seal of Approval 👍. That Hawk Tuee girl aint got shit on volatile pussy. So yeah good bye to old fashion missionary (Republican party), I'm going to go fuck with volatile pussy (Trump) and ride with her from here on out. And for a time life was good but now you see what volatile pussy cost you. STD'S you didn't think still existed or never heard of keep coming your way. NOTHING major like the dreaded hiv BUT that old testament 7 year itch (scabies) along with trichomoniasis and old gonnereahea is causing problems and setbacks. While you're constantly having to take antibiotics every few months, she goes and TOTALS your car for the 3RD time. Why, because volatile pussy stop taking her bi-polar meds again and was having a bad day.That's one masterful metaphor.
I am a one issue voter. Harris is on the wrong side of the crypto issue. She is listening to the wrong people. I will vote my personal interested. As unfortunate as that is, money talks.
Is the US responsible for the arrest of CEO Pavel Durov's arrest?
Vyacheslav Volodin, the head of Russia's State Duma, which functions similarly to the Speaker of the US House of Representatives, held the United States responsible over his arrest, alleging that the US tried to seize control of Telegram through France.
Telegram is one of the few and, at the same time, the largest Internet platforms over which the United States has no influence, Volodin wrote on social media, without providing any evidence.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/who-is-behind-telegram-ceo-pavel-durovs-arrest-putin-ally-makes-big-claim-as-russia-france-ties-hit-new-low-101724760350766.htmlDurov's arrest has nothing or very little to do with Crypto or the US (probably). Volodin is one of Putin's henchmen -- anything these people say is a lie.
The Russians are very scared to lose Telegram. In absence of viable and secure communication devices, the Russian troops are using Telegram on frontlines for combat operations: to coordinate attacks, share satellite photos, etc. In addition, the platform serves as an ideological vehicle to advance the Kremlin narrative.
Telegram and the war: Durov's arrest could complicate Russia's war in Ukraine, experts say
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/08/26/telegram-and-the-war-durovs-arrest-could-complicate-things-for-the-russian-military-in-ukr
The French, however, are more concerned with Telegram's marketplace that sells anything from drugs and weapons to child pornography. Hardly surprising since Durov, a citizen of France, has refused to do anything about it.
Telegram CEO arrested over probe into child porn, drug trafficking on app
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pavel-durov-has-nothing-hide-telegram-says-arrested-founder-2024-08-26/
Oh my god. The ignorance and Revisionist History by Wingers is unbounded and dangerous:
Fact check: The GOPs dishonesty-filled barrage of defund the police attack ads.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/23/politics/fact-check-defund-the-police-ads-2022-midterms/index.html
Pelosi said in February that defunding the police is not the position of the Democratic Party and said in 2020 that from the standpoint of our legislation, were not going to that place. During Pelosis tenure as House speaker under President Joe Biden, Democrats have passed policing reform legislation, not defunding legislation. In fact, they have passed legislation that provides additional funding to police.'Republicans are defunding the police: Fox News anchor stumps congressman.
Chris Wallace quizzes Jim Banks of Indiana on Fox News Sunday.
Biden: $350bn in bill opposed by GOP is for law enforcement.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jun/28/chris-wallace-republicans-defunding-the-police-fox-news-congressman-jim-banks
The Fox News anchor Chris Wallace made headlines of his own on Sunday, by pointing out to a senior Republican that he and the rest of his party recently voted against $350bn in funding for law enforcement.They are now rehashing Repub MAGA Winger lies that have been debunked countless times FOR YEARS!
Interesting. So few Dem departures it is easy to remember and cite each one by name.
Unprecedented to see political party members switch? You didn't notice Tulsi Gabbard and RFK jr? Just saying, it goes both ways. Those 200 people are no name nothings as well. I don't think its as big a deal as you make it out to be which is why no main stream media outlets have even covered it.The hits just keep on comin'!
What's next?
"Carter ruined the economy and Reagan fixed it"?
"Nobody predicted a Pandemic. It just happened out of the blue"?
"Trump inherited a skyrocketing unemployment rate and his genius policies brought it down"?
"Biden caused more inflation than anybody by flooding more emergency Covid recovery money into Americans' pockets in 2020 than anyone since. Really. Look it up"?
"Violent crime rates are at record highs today under Biden"?
"We are in a Great Recession under Biden and the stock market has Crashed into a Bear Market, things that never happened under Trump"?
"We were better off 4 years ago than now"?
Why not? Could be fun.
More than 200 former Bush, McCain and Romney staffers endorse Harris.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kamala-harris-endorsement-bush-mccain-romney-staff/
More than 200 former Bush, McCain and Romney staffers endorse Harris.
The alumni of the three Republican presidential nominees sought to reiterate their opposition to Trump's 2020 re-election in an open letter.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/200-former-bush-mccain-romney-staffers-endorse-harris-rcna168363
More than 200 former Republican presidential staffers sign open letter endorsing Harris over Trump.
More than 200 staffers for four previous Republican presidential nominees have endorsed Democrat Kamala Harris' White House bid.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/200-former-republican-presidential-staffers-sign-open-letter-113188280
More than 200 former Republican presidential staffers sign open letter endorsing Harris over Trump.
https://apnews.com/article/kamala-harris-republican-endorsements-1371966c9be8ac4e0e6b3e1e126edbc9
More than 200 Bush, McCain, Romney alums endorse Harris for president, criticize Trump.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/08/26/bush-mccain-romney-trump-harris-2024/74947380007/
More Than 200 Former Republican Presidential Staffers Sign Open Letter Endorsing Harris Over Trump.
More than 200 staffers for four previous Republican presidential nominees have endorsed Democrat Kamala Harris' White House bid.
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2024-08-27/more-than-200-former-republican-presidential-staffers-sign-open-letter-endorsing-harris-over-trump
Perhaps your favorite one:
Over 200 former Bush, McCain, Romney staffers endorse Harris: 'The alternative ... is simply untenable'.
An open letter calls on 'moderate Republicans and conservative independents' to vote for Vice President Kamala Harris.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/over-200-former-bush-mccain-and-romney-staffers-endorse-harris-the-alternative-is-simply-untenable
Unprecedented to see political party members switch? You didn't notice Tulsi Gabbard and RFK jr? Just saying, it goes both ways. Those 200 people are no name nothings as well. I don't think its as big a deal as you make it out to be which is why no main stream media outlets have even covered it.This situation is absolutely unprecedented due to the scope of it. It's not just a few one offs here and there. It's a lot! And I don't know which media outlets you follow, but this absolutely has been covered in the main stream media. And no name nothings? Just remember that at the end of the day all politics is local. Those "no name nothings" are going to be the ones who decide the winner in a close election. So, a candidate disrespects and dismisses them at their own peril.
RamDavidson84
08-28-24, 11:50
Oh my god. The ignorance and Revisionist History by Wingers is unbounded and dangerous:
Fact check: The GOPs dishonesty-filled barrage of defund the police attack ads.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/23/politics/fact-check-defund-the-police-ads-2022-midterms/index.html
'Republicans are defunding the police: Fox News anchor stumps congressman.
Chris Wallace quizzes Jim Banks of Indiana on Fox News Sunday.
Biden: $350bn in bill opposed by GOP is for law enforcement.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jun/28/chris-wallace-republicans-defunding-the-police-fox-news-congressman-jim-banks
They are now rehashing Repub MAGA Winger lies that have been debunked countless times FOR YEARS!I was wrong, Media is covering former Republicans speaking out against Trump, but its the same crew from 2020. It is a bit concerning, I will give you that.
But seriously, there is no way in hell your going to convince me or anyone that is even 1% honest that Republicans started the defund the police campaign. That is total nonsense. Many of your posts are very good Tooms, even though I don't agree with them, but this is beneath you.
CheckMate1
08-28-24, 16:22
See'Mon., don't twist my post with that word jiu jitsu shit LOL. I never said being poor was a crime. Most of those people in tents living on the sidewalks in front of people's homes and businesses are not just poor. Majority are irresponsible drug addicts who are also criminals. I see it everyday bro. And to the small percenatge that are just people who are down on their luck, absolutely my heart goes out to them. My heart goes out to the people who got hooked on drugs as well. But you can't allow that to happen to a city.
Step 1: Secure the border and stop the flow of fentanyl.
Step 2: More funding for police and social services to remove the tents, criminals, and drug addicts from public places.
Step 3: Harsher laws for criminals.
Step 4: Strengthen economy and fight inflation so everyone has opportunity to earn money for themselves so they don't end up in desperate situations. Strong economy also means more tax dollars for social services.
The solution is definitely not "defund the police" and let drug addicts take over cities like they did in Seattle during the "summer of love" LOL, or just let riots breakout across the country where innocent businesses are burned to the ground and then pretend they are not rioters but peaceful protesters.https://usafacts.org/articles/are-fentanyl-overdose-deaths-rising-in-the-us/
Please show me where on the chart that it tells you that it was better under Trump administration.
Going from 20K to 70K is 3.5x; going from 70K to 73K is 4.3%. Is it high, yes. Is it a problem for our society, yes. From 2016 to 2020, it was ignored. Then the problem becomes so big that everyone has to notice it. And then you blame the next person for how high it has gotten, absolving the previous admin. We don't have current data for 23 and 24, but willing to bet that it is not 3X from 2021.
So tumors-- are you going to Canada when DJT becomes the 2024 president? I'm curious as to what you do for a job--You are so prolific -- You have a lot of time for your political screeds. I am impressed-- I mean you could compile these and send them to CNN maybe you could get a job there?
Oh my god. The ignorance and Revisionist History by Wingers is unbounded and dangerous:
Fact check: The GOPs dishonesty-filled barrage of defund the police attack ads.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/23/politics/fact-check-defund-the-police-ads-2022-midterms/index.html
'Republicans are defunding the police: Fox News anchor stumps congressman.
Chris Wallace quizzes Jim Banks of Indiana on Fox News Sunday.
Biden: $350bn in bill opposed by GOP is for law enforcement.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/jun/28/chris-wallace-republicans-defunding-the-police-fox-news-congressman-jim-banks
They are now rehashing Repub MAGA Winger lies that have been debunked countless times FOR YEARS!
I was wrong, Media is covering former Republicans speaking out against Trump, but its the same crew from 2020. It is a bit concerning, I will give you that.
But seriously, there is no way in hell your going to convince me or anyone that is even 1% honest that Republicans started the defund the police campaign. That is total nonsense. Many of your posts are very good Tooms, even though I don't agree with them, but this is beneath you.The point is, nobody in the Dem Party started a "Defund the Police" campaign. There never was one. It was a fabrication of Repubs and their loyal election campaign partners in Mainstream Media.
However, when it came down to actually funding, increasing and improving law enforcement presence where it is needed, you can always count on the Repub Party to object and reject it.
The same as they did when Repub Leader Trump ordered his Repub slaves in Congress to reject the tough, very conservative bi-partisan border control bill that included funding for more and better equiped border patrol police:
As conservatives balk, U.S. Border Patrol union endorses Senate immigration deal.
The National Border Patrol Council, which endorsed Donald Trump for president in 2020, said the new bipartisan bill "will drop illegal border crossings nationwide.".
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/new-immigration-bill-senate-bipartisan-border-patrol-endorsement-rcna137354
Senate Republicans block bipartisan border security deal.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4453955-senate-republicans-block-bipartisan-border-security-deal/
It also would have provided $6.8 billion to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, $7.6 billion for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and $4 billion to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. Altogether, it would have invested $20.2 billion in improving border security.By stark contrast, while no Dem leadership started a "Defund the Police" campaign, the same can not be said for Repubs. Does the USA national police force and the Department of Justice count? I say it does:
Trumps call to defund DOJ, FBI puts Senate, House GOP at odds.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3936557-trumps-call-to-defund-doj-fbi-puts-senate-house-gop-at-odds/
No Country for Law Men: The GOP Votes to Defund the FBI.
https://www.newsweek.com/no-country-law-men-gop-votes-defund-fbi-opinion-1882085
If by now you are puzzled by why on Earth any cop or anyone else concerned about controling our borders and reducing crime would ever support and vote for a Repub over a Dem, join the club.
So tumors-- are you going to Canada when DJT becomes the 2024 president? I'm curious as to what you do for a job--You are so prolific -- You have a lot of time for your political screeds. I am impressed-- I mean you could compile these and send them to CNN maybe you could get a job there?I doubt it ever takes up more than 15 minutes of my day to research and post the facts that thoroughly debunk the steady stream of Repub MAGA Winger lies I generally read here.
Which has served nicely as a brief mental and physical break from the steady stream of cute Thai girl BJs and Fucking, great food, entertainment, friendships, Real Girlfriend Experience, exploring, traveling and quite comfortable life I have been living work-free in retirement for the past 12+ years thanks to my great good fortune to have worked and invested in a Blue state and in an era when I benefitted from Dem potus economic policy and stewardship that produced such great gains for my retirement fund and plans that they even managed to override the disastrous Repub Crashes and Economic Declines that invariably occurred during those same decades whenever the American electorate was careless and foolish enough to allow Repubs to slither in to do it.
See'Mon., don't twist my post with that word jiu jitsu shit LOL. Thanks! Being a big fan of most all things Brazilian, the Jiu Jitsu comparison I find flattering. Since its introduction to mixed martial arts (MMA) fighting by the Gracies, it has revolutionized the sport. But I digress!
I never said being poor was a crime. Most of those people in tents living on the sidewalks in front of people's homes and businesses are not just poor. Majority are irresponsible drug addicts who are also criminals. I see it everyday bro. And to the small percenatge that are just people who are down on their luck, absolutely my heart goes out to them. My heart goes out to the people who got hooked on drugs as well. But you can't allow that to happen to a city. Yeah, I see shit everyday too...brother! But feelings aside, do you have any real stats, that the majority of the homeless are criminals, to back that up? Other than I should just take your word for it?
In 2019, the U.S. had more opioid deaths than the rest of the world combined. Why aren't other countries shutting down borders to solve the fentanyl problem? And who is buying all this fentanyl. Surely the poor and poverty stricken, can't be buying this much fentanyl? And whatever the reason your friend found their way into a drug problem, it would be nice if everyone is afforded the same level of dignity and understanding. For centuries Bible-thumpers, have been saying they can't let prostitution happen to their city...and yet here we are, centuries later.
Step 1: Secure the border and stop the flow of fentanyl.
Step 2: More funding for police and social services to remove the tents, criminals, and drug addicts from public places.
Step 3: Harsher laws for criminals.
Step 4: Strengthen economy and fight inflation so everyone has opportunity to earn money for themselves so they don't end up in desperate situations. Strong economy also means more tax dollars for social services.
Your 4-Step plan is pretty much plucked right outta the Repub handbook and it still hasn't worked, since Reagan took office some 40+ years ago, and trotted out his Repub proclamation on "The War on Colored People", Ahem...pardon me, I mean, "The War on Drugs".
This so called plan of his (and yet another "war on smth...", put forth by Repubs), hasn't done "shit" to solve America's drug problem, in 40+ years. (Hint: At first, drugs was just a pretext, until it wasn't and drug addition infected the greater community at large!)
Yes, whether wittingly or unwittingly, the drug wars, have unintentionally, exacerbate matters and arguably did spread the problem, from Main Street to Wall Street, from lower to middle and upper-class America, where it also insidiously persists, unchecked, today, by the "heavy hand" of the law.
You see, much like the CIA, throughout the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's flooding the streets of America, with everything from LSD, heroine, cocaine and crack cocaine, today we see the pharmaceuticals and big drug companies, largely responsible for the opioid epidemic and the deaths of +1 million Americans. And Repubs calling for "A War on Tent Cities" and yet no sign of the "heavy hand" of law enforcement, carting-off any of the rich CEOs, execs, company big-wigs or opioid profiteers to jail. Why is that do you think?
Since opioids and fentanyl are drugs that can be synthesized from common industrial chemicals, drug cartels (and local copycats) are finding new creative ways and chemistries to get around the "precursors" for fentanyl type opioids. For border security to identify and search, for fentanyl let alone all of the increasing everyday common industrial chemicals, used in making fentanyl, is a proving to be rather difficult and perhaps even a bridge too far. Personally, I don't believe the Republican hype and propaganda about, "shutting down the border to stop the flow of fentanyl", will do much, other than to have the appearance of "doing something."
Repubs record on social services:
Well you'd be the first Repub, to advocate for funding social services or social assistant programs, since we all know Repubs have denied, thieved, pilfered, stolen or clawed back, any notion or hint of government assistance for Americans at or below the poverty line. But never a problem when millionaires and billionaire stick their hands out, right!
So when it comes to social services, assistance or help, Repubs have always done, what Repubs do best, and provided the best "lip service" imaginable, that cost absolutely nothing to provide, as you've nicely highlighted in STEPS 2 and 4.
Repubs record on Defund the Police:
The solution is definitely not "defund the police" and let drug addicts take over cities like they did in Seattle during the "summer of love" LOL, or just let riots breakout across the country where innocent businesses are burned to the ground and then pretend they are not rioters but peaceful protesters.
"Defund the police", is a vague slogan that means different things to different people. Let's just say Repubs have defunded the police, in more ways than you'd think and all to often just love to use law enforcement, as "the heavy hand of the law" (as you put it), as a hammer. When often times, all that's needed is a screwdriver. Just like any other branch of gov't, the citizens of a community have right to scrutinize, analyze and have input on how their taxes are used, especially if said services aren't benefiting their community.
So I submit, much like when the Republicans voted against the $350bn in funding for law enforcement (that Eihtooms reports on (below) here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2940551&viewfull=1#post2940551), or when Repubs had the best bipartisan bill, Repubs had seen in decades, on U.S. border security and immigration, it was selfishly stuck down and kiboshed by Trump. Both are great examples of Repubs "soft selling", "defund the police", and wanting to keep up an air of fear, crime, panic and disorder, in order to use as campaign fodder.
As for "peaceful rioters", I hear that on Jan 6th, the insurrectionists, Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, Three (3%) percenters, White Nationalists, bikers and skin heads, were all just out for a brief stroll on Capital Hill and a mini-tour of the Capital Building, when a coup and riot broke out, cops were killed, maimed and injured, all in pursuit of, what you Repubs, I believe called "...legitimate political discourse"(...kkkk!)
And by that same logic, I guess BLM, Seattle "summer of love" and other rioters (your words) around the country, pretending to be peaceful protesters are really just actively engaging in "...legitimate political discourse", when they riot, loot and burn businesses, right!
CheckMate1
08-29-24, 16:50
I hope everyone reads this article from Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, same one that Trump always tout.
https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/is-portugals-drug-decriminalization-a-failure-or-success-the-answer-isnt-so-simple/
Portugal has a good start on how it can be done.
Excerpt:
Francisco Rodriguez, president of the Order of Portuguese Psychologists, demonstrated this by noting, "You cannot work with people when they're afraid of being caught and going to prison. It's not possible to have an effective health program if people are hiding the problem. ".
CheckMate1
08-29-24, 17:20
Your 4-Step plan is pretty much plucked right outta the Repub handbook and it still hasn't worked, since Reagan took office some 40+ years ago, and trotted out his Repub proclamation on "The War on Colored People", Ahem...pardon me, I mean, "The War on Drugs".
This so called plan of his (and yet another "war on smth...", put forth by Repubs), hasn't done "shit" to solve America's drug problem, in 40+ years. (Hint: At first, drugs was just a pretext, until it wasn't and drug addition infected the greater community at large!)
Yes, whether wittingly or unwittingly, the drug wars, have unintentionally, exacerbate matters and arguably did spread the problem, from Main Street to Wall Street, from lower to middle and upper-class America, where it also insidiously persists, unchecked, today, by the "heavy hand" of the law.
You see, much like the CIA, throughout the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's flooding the streets of America, with everything from LSD, heroine, cocaine and crack cocaine, today we see the pharmaceuticals and big drug companies, largely responsible for the opioid epidemic and the deaths of +1 million Americans. And Repubs calling for "A War on Tent Cities" and yet no sign of the "heavy hand" of law enforcement, carting-off any of the rich CEOs, execs, company big-wigs or opioid profiteers to jail. Why is that do you think?
Since opioids and fentanyl are drugs that can be synthesized from common industrial chemicals, drug cartels (and local copycats) are finding new creative ways and chemistries to get around the "precursors" for fentanyl type opioids. For border security to identify and search, for fentanyl let alone all of the increasing everyday common industrial chemicals, used in making fentanyl, is a proving to be rather difficult and perhaps even a bridge too far. Personally, I don't believe the Republican hype and propaganda about, "shutting down the border to stop the flow of fentanyl", will do much, other than to have the appearance of "doing something."
Poor assumptions to what is a market.
If we shut down the border, pooffff, no more drug problems. If we catch ALL of the dealers, no more problems. If we decriminalize, that will solve the problem.
Reality is we have consumers (demand) and dealers (supply) legal and illegal. If the demand continues to rise, there will be suppliers. One reason why the border closing and arresting the dealers will not work is that the "NEXT guy" will step in to fill the void, whether starting up a meth lab in MEX or USA, or importing fentanyl through EU, ASIA, SA or even CAN. Silly to scapegoat MEX, even if it is the largest CURRENTLY.
What may work:
1. Bend the demand curve (Article of Portugal).
2. For less harmful drugs such as weeds, magic mushrooms, and natural products allow for home cultivation. You know, we've been chasing suppliers for more than 40 years, results are not good. This will bend the supply curve. And the suppliers (cartels) will, A. Try to shut down home operations or B. Get out of a non profitable business.
Drugs war we have been fighting is on too many fronts. There are serious issues and trivial ones, taking on ALL fronts and always from a chasing standpoint haven't worked, try something else.
Iguana Six
08-30-24, 04:33
Interesting. So few Dem departures it is easy to remember and cite each one by name.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/over-200-former-bush-mccain-and-romney-staffers-endorse-harris-the-alternative-is-simply-untenableIt appears that the poor general failed to secure a lucrative job with a defense contractor or think tank, and is now sending his resume to the Harris transition team. He could be hoping to be the next Secretary of the Army, Secretary of Defense, National Security Advisor, or Homeland Security Secretary.
You just know the hard Right Wingers at RealClearPolitics just hated to have to do this today:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
With 270 Electoral College Votes to win:
There are two sides to all markets, the buyers and the sellers
I find it interesting that no one ever deals with the demand side of the US drug market. If citizens of the United States of America were not demanding drugs and willing to pay for them in huge quantities there would be no drug problem now would it.
The problem is driven by the huge inequalities of wealth and income because the United States of America is a Plutocracy. Keeping the majority of the population dumbed down and drugged up works for the money classes in the United States of America. Especially since AI and robotics will create huge displacements in the current workforce. They are not also not interested in actually solving the problem from the demand side because the war on drugs is good for business. Incarceration is good for business. Incarceration allow the moneyed classes to target those groups they want less of because they themselves are not having enough babies to replace their own population. As demographic change, the revolution with not be televised.
Poor assumptions to what is a market.
If we shut down the border, pooffff, no more drug problems. If we catch ALL of the dealers, no more problems. If we decriminalize, that will solve the problem.
Reality is we have consumers (demand) and dealers (supply) legal and illegal. If the demand continues to rise, there will be suppliers. One reason why the border closing and arresting the dealers will not work is that the "NEXT guy" will step in to fill the void, whether starting up a meth lab in MEX or USA, or importing fentanyl through EU, ASIA, SA or even CAN. Silly to scapegoat MEX, even if it is the largest CURRENTLY.
What may work:
1. Bend the demand curve (Article of Portugal).
2. For less harmful drugs such as weeds, magic mushrooms, and natural products allow for home cultivation. You know, we've been chasing suppliers for more than 40 years, results are not good. This will bend the supply curve. And the suppliers (cartels) will, A. Try to shut down home operations or B. Get out of a non profitable business.
Drugs war we have been fighting is on too many fronts. There are serious issues and trivial ones, taking on ALL fronts and always from a chasing standpoint haven't worked, try something else.
CheckMate1
08-30-24, 17:17
You just know the hard Right Wingers at RealClearPolitics just hated to have to do this today:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
With 270 Electoral College Votes to win:In 2016, you saw the momentum in the swing states going toward Trump. Dems wished that it wasn't true, but the number kept going away from Hilary, even with access hollywood and so on.
July 21,2024 is the marker for the momentum shifts. And for over 5 weeks, it hasn't stopped. If you look at voter registrations, Trump pretty much idle and Harris has continued to grow. Group between 18-29 is up 20% over 2020, break that out to women 18-29 group and you have well over 100%. When I wrote about FL, I noticed that about 25% of registered voters do not vote. So an additional 15% of voters 18-29 that's significant, and may not be included in the pollings. So that's on the excitement of candidate Harris.
Then you have abortion on the ballots of 8 states, and 3 states are pending. 2 of which are in Montana and FL, Reps have lossed in even the ruby red states on this issue. What is interesting to me is does the increase in turnouts bleed into the senate races? MT and FL will likely be for Trump, but will it help Scott or Tester? Same prediction as before, if Dems get vote registrations to match or surpass 2020 FL, Trump will lose (narrowest of margins) and Scott is blown out.
Poor assumptions to what is a market.
If we shut down the border, pooffff, no more drug problems. If we catch ALL of the dealers, no more problems. If we decriminalize, that will solve the problem.
Reality is we have consumers (demand) and dealers (supply) legal and illegal. If the demand continues to rise, there will be suppliers. One reason why the border closing and arresting the dealers will not work is that the "NEXT guy" will step in to fill the void, whether starting up a meth lab in MEX or USA, or importing fentanyl through EU, ASIA, SA or even CAN. Silly to scapegoat MEX, even if it is the largest CURRENTLY.
What may work:
1. Bend the demand curve (Article of Portugal).
2. For less harmful drugs such as weeds, magic mushrooms, and natural products allow for home cultivation. You know, we've been chasing suppliers for more than 40 years, results are not good. This will bend the supply curve. And the suppliers (cartels) will, A. Try to shut down home operations or B. Get out of a non profitable business.
Drugs war we have been fighting is on too many fronts. There are serious issues and trivial ones, taking on ALL fronts and always from a chasing standpoint haven't worked, try something else.
Like most problems in society, they can be solved, if the political will power and true political bipartisan buy-in, occurs.
But when one political party (Repubs), continues to see the drug problem, not as a problem to be solved as a unified front, but rather as, a bargaining chip, or a hammer with which to beat/pound your political opposition with, or a campaign prop to rally their base, it's clear that Americans will be doomed and subjected to yet another 40+ years of failure.
Essentially, Americans with be stuck in political quagmire quicksand. Which I fear, is just where "no nothing", "do nothing" Repubs, currently don't mind wallowing and politicking.
Yes the Europeans, have tackled the drug problem, from a more inclusive and holistic point-of-view. And does seem to be working, albeit at times there is some slippage, but overall numbers in drug usage has dramatically decreased, from when these programs began. Their holistic approach is working!
Drug Addiction: Our American Problem:
But do you think some of these "leftist 'woke' holistic approaches" to decreasing/solving the problem in the U.S. would ever by given about a 10-year "runway" needed to prove itself viable, let alone the 40+ years, the "right-wing War on Drugs" propaganda machine have had?
Often times, if the proposals from the left (see the light of day and are implemented, but) aren't seeing significant results in the first few years, the program funding typically dries up, or shuttered and is torpedoed by right-wing critics and saboteurs, eager to call the project an abject failure, accompanied by an outcry to return to their politically profitable, lucrative and divisive, "War on Drugs".
If/When America ever gets past, an "us" vs."them" mentality, and comes to terms with it's "our America's problem", and adopts more hybrid combination of the Portugal European model with better holistic approaches to punishment, drug rehabilitation and addiction healthcare. To succeed, naturally, these programs should be given the proper resources, support, funding and time to properly mature and become viable solutions to decreasing drug usage and crime problem.
But sadly, I too, I'm not sure America will get past its drug, crime, gun, race...etc crazed addictions, at least not the way in which, things have gone on, for the last 40+ years. However the next 4-years with a Harris/Walz ticket, is a good amendment, to a bright hopeful 2nd half of the Biden/Harris legacy.
RamDavidson84
08-31-24, 12:18
Thanks! Being a big fan of most all things Brazilian, the Jiu Jitsu comparison I find flattering. Since its introduction to mixed martial arts (MMA) fighting by the Gracies, it has revolutionized the sport. But I digress!
Yeah, I see shit everyday too...brother! But feelings aside, do you have any real stats, that the majority of the homeless are criminals, to back that up? Other than I should just take your word for it?
In 2019, the U.S. had more opioid deaths than the rest of the world combined. Why aren't other countries shutting down borders to solve the fentanyl problem? And who is buying all this fentanyl. Surely the poor and poverty stricken, can't be buying this much fentanyl? And whatever the reason your friend found their way into a drug problem, it would be nice if everyone is afforded the same level of dignity and understanding. For centuries Bible-thumpers, have been saying they can't let prostitution happen to their city...and yet here we are, centuries later.
Your 4-Step plan is pretty much plucked right outta the Repub handbook and it still hasn't worked, since Reagan took office some 40+ years ago, and trotted out his Repub proclamation on "The War on Colored People", Ahem...pardon me, I mean, "The War on Drugs".
This so called plan of his (and yet another "war on smth...", put forth by Repubs), hasn't done "shit" to solve America's drug problem, in 40+ years. (Hint: At first, drugs was just a pretext, until it wasn't and drug addition infected the greater community at large!)
Yes, whether wittingly or unwittingly, the drug wars, have unintentionally, exacerbate matters and arguably did spread the problem, from Main Street to Wall Street, from lower to middle and upper-class America, where it also insidiously persists, unchecked, today, by the "heavy hand" of the law.
You see, much like the CIA, throughout the 1970's, 1980's and 1990's flooding the streets of America, with everything from LSD, heroine, cocaine and crack cocaine, today we see the pharmaceuticals and big drug companies, largely responsible for the opioid epidemic and the deaths of +1 million Americans. And Repubs calling for "A War on Tent Cities" and yet no sign of the "heavy hand" of law enforcement, carting-off any of the rich CEOs, execs, company big-wigs or opioid profiteers to jail. Why is that do you think?
Since opioids and fentanyl are drugs that can be synthesized from common industrial chemicals, drug cartels (and local copycats) are finding new creative ways and chemistries to get around the "precursors" for fentanyl type opioids. For border security to identify and search, for fentanyl let alone all of the increasing everyday common industrial chemicals, used in making fentanyl, is a proving to be rather difficult and perhaps even a bridge too far. Personally, I don't believe the Republican hype and propaganda about, "shutting down the border to stop the flow of fentanyl", will do much, other than to have the appearance of "doing something."
Repubs record on social services:
Well you'd be the first Repub, to advocate for funding social services or social assistant programs, since we all know Repubs have denied, thieved, pilfered, stolen or clawed back, any notion or hint of government assistance for Americans at or below the poverty line. But never a problem when millionaires and billionaire stick their hands out, right!
So when it comes to social services, assistance or help, Repubs have always done, what Repubs do best, and provided the best "lip service" imaginable, that cost absolutely nothing to provide, as you've nicely highlighted in STEPS 2 and 4.
Repubs record on Defund the Police:
"Defund the police", is a vague slogan that means different things to different people. Let's just say Repubs have defunded the police, in more ways than you'd think and all to often just love to use law enforcement, as "the heavy hand of the law" (as you put it), as a hammer. When often times, all that's needed is a screwdriver. Just like any other branch of gov't, the citizens of a community have right to scrutinize, analyze and have input on how their taxes are used, especially if said services aren't benefiting their community.
So I submit, much like when the Republicans voted against the $350bn in funding for law enforcement (that Eihtooms reports on (below) here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2940551&viewfull=1#post2940551), or when Repubs had the best bipartisan bill, Repubs had seen in decades, on U.S. border security and immigration, it was selfishly stuck down and kiboshed by Trump. Both are great examples of Repubs "soft selling", "defund the police", and wanting to keep up an air of fear, crime, panic and disorder, in order to use as campaign fodder.
As for "peaceful rioters", I hear that on Jan 6th, the insurrectionists, Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, Three (3%) percenters, White Nationalists, bikers and skin heads, were all just out for a brief stroll on Capital Hill and a mini-tour of the Capital Building, when a coup and riot broke out, cops were killed, maimed and injured, all in pursuit of, what you Repubs, I believe called "...legitimate political discourse"(...kkkk!)
And by that same logic, I guess BLM, Seattle "summer of love" and other rioters (your words) around the country, pretending to be peaceful protesters are really just actively engaging in "...legitimate political discourse", when they riot, loot and burn businesses, right!Sorry, like I said I am not too political and your post is extensive. I only read it once briefly so if I make mistake in my response, I apologize ahead of time.
Like I said in my original post, I am no expect in the realm of politics, but I offer my opinion which I always base the majority off of what I experience in the real world. I am also someone who has experienced all walks of life in USA and I think this gives me a little more confidence in my opinions. I am not sheltered to being around just one class or area of people. That being said, my four step plan is just some suggestion I threw out off the top of my head and I agree with you to some extent about the war on drugs and perhaps it has been a waste of money. I always think, if I was a government and I seized several tons of cocaine, would I just destroy it or secretly sell it on the street for hundreds of millions, and use that money to pay off national debt? It always makes me wonder.
I do however feel very strongly that the border needs to absolutely be secured and fentanyl has no place in USA. Cocaine is one thing, but fentanyl kills normal everyday people who just want to party for the night and they end up dead. I also don't think it's fair to just let millions and millions of people into the country unchecked where they will work and not pay taxes. Border should be secured regulated and anyone who comes in to work is paying mother fucking taxes just like me, and no they don't get a vote. If they stay 7-10 years and keep their noses clean, offer a path to citizenship. That's how it used to be back in the day. Now it's just a dangerous mess.
I have said this many times, Jan. 6th rioters were morons and I have no problem prosecuting them in the court of law to the fullest extent. The vast majority are not insurrectionists and it was nothing close to an insurrection. A real insurrection has the support of a military strong enough to subdue the population and the nation's military it is trying to conquer. Think bay of pigs, that was a real insurrection! A few thousand trained guerilla soldiers armed to the teeth. Jan. 6 was a bunch of fat drunk rednecks who acted like morons. To think they would ever have stood a chance at sparking an insurrection is the dumbest thing I have ever heard and CNN runs that "narrative" 24/7 non-stop to this day! This is a huge reason I have shifted my views strongly to the right. Democrats have run too many false narratives and they have lost my trust and the trust of many Americans. They never should have put the insurrectionist spin on Jan. 6 to the extent that they did.
As for Defund the police, here is the wikipedia link. I suggest you read it. It is strongly linked to Democrat Party and was a disgraceful political movement, again although I was raised to hate cops and I am kind of glad more professionalism was brought to the law enforcement industry. I think defund the police took it way too far though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defund_the_police.
As for social services, It is a tricky line because if you provide too much social services, people do not have an incentive to work. Its just human nature to take advantage of the system, just like Trump said he used to do with the Tax code and paying his taxes. I think any city with a severe homeless problem does need to provide adequate shelters so people in tents are not living in front of peoples homes and businesses. If we can afford billion dollar air force fighters just, we can provide shelters for homeless, but it can't be so nice it will incentivize people to not work. That is my opinion.
As for my friend's death, I know his situation personally and he struggled many years with addiction and ultimately it was not fentanyl that killed him, but his own demons. Fentanyl was just the straw that broke the camels back. I think some cultural changes need to take place in our country which decreases the amount of people turning to develop self destructive habits in the form of severe addiction. How we do that, I don't know? I do know that based off my real world experience when I speak to people from other countries I always get asked about why a rich nation like USA has so many drug addicts, so much violence, and so many homeless? When it comes to solving those problems, I believe at this point, Republicans would be more effective at handling hose issues.
Strong economy! Low inflation! Opportunity! Utilize nation's natural resources to fullest extent! Secure border! Tough on crime! Negotiate best trade deals!
For right now, fuck the environment for the next four years. Fuck the cartels! Fuck funding more foreign wars!
Excellent discussion gentlemen.
I hope everyone reads this article from Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, same one that Trump always tout.
https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/is-portugals-drug-decriminalization-a-failure-or-success-the-answer-isnt-so-simple/
Portugal has a good start on how it can be done.
Excerpt:
Francisco Rodriguez, president of the Order of Portuguese Psychologists, demonstrated this by noting, "You cannot work with people when they're afraid of being caught and going to prison. It's not possible to have an effective health program if people are hiding the problem. ".Thanks for the link Checkmate. That was a great read. It's not too long, and makes a lot of sense. Ramping up the $10 per year per person that Portugal was spending on its drug program when it was working, that would be $3. 3 billion a year in the USA. Multiply that by 5 because of inflation, and higher costs and inefficient government in the USA, and you're looking at $16.5 billion per year, which is not much compared to the roughly $9 or $10 trillion spent by all levels of government. I bet the program would pay for itself just through lower costs in the criminal justice system. Add to that lower medical costs and more people gainfully employed. We'd need to do this at the state and local level IMHO. They are are so much more effective and efficient than our federal government.
The comments section was interesting too, especially the part about Vancouver.
But when one political party (Repubs), continues to see the drug problem, not as a problem to be solved as a unified front, but rather as, a bargaining chip, or a hammer with which to beat/pound your political opposition with, or a campaign prop to rally their base, it's clear that Americans will be doomed and subjected to yet another 40+ years of failure.
Essentially, Americans with be stuck in political quagmire quicksand. Which I fear, is just where "no nothing", "do nothing" Repubs, currently don't mind wallowing and politicking.Blame everything on the Republicans. There's no correlation I can see between whether a state is blue or red and the rate of deaths by overdose. Four blue states are in top ten for most deaths per capita, while the four states with the lowest death rates, South Dakota, Iowa, Nebraska and Texas, are all red.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/drug_poisoning_mortality/drug_poisoning.htm
The problem is driven by the huge inequalities of wealth and income because the United States of America is a Plutocracy. Keeping the majority of the population dumbed down and drugged up works for the money classes in the United States of America. Especially since AI and robotics will create huge displacements in the current workforce. They are not also not interested in actually solving the problem from the demand side because the war on drugs is good for business. Incarceration is good for business. Incarceration allow the moneyed classes to target those groups they want less of because they themselves are not having enough babies to replace their own population. As demographic change, the revolution with not be televised.Respectfully SubCmdr, I don't believe it's a class thing. In the USA, businesses are motivated to keep employees off drugs, and many require regular drug tests. There are probably some, like trucking, that may do better short term when their people use methamphetamines, but that's the exception. As to the big problem, fentanyl and opioids, they hurt job performance. I agree 100% that special interests play a big part in over-incarceration in America. Judges, lawyers, police and the prison system all do better when when lots of people are locked up.
Finally, I believe somebody here (not Subcmdr) wrote that part of the solution is to put the CEO's of American corporations in jail, starting with the drug companies. I emphatically disagree. The Venezuelization of the USA is not the solution.
Respectfully SubCmdr, I don't believe it's a class thing.One the the best things like like about your posts is that they are respectful. I can stipulate for you about the class thing. I don't think the "rich" are saying "let's dumb them down and drug them up". When I take a step back from it I see it as benign neglect.
In the USA, businesses are motivated to keep employees off drugs, and many require regular drug tests. There are probably some, like trucking, that may do better short term when their people use methamphetamines, but that's the exception.In my opinion the real issue is not actually drug use. It is impairment when it time go do the job. I am certain that we can agree that those that operate heavy equipment should not be impaired when they show up for work. Yet, they can be even if they never touched drugs. They could have been up all night fucking prostitutes and didn't get any sleep. Do you want your pilot in that condition? I approve of tests for impairment. If someone one wants to use drugs on their off time that is their business and I feel like drug tests are overreach and designed for the purpose of control.
As to the big problem, fentanyl and opioids, they hurt job performance.Not really familiar with fentanyl. But you can be a functioning heroin addict.
I agree 100% that special interests play a big part in over-incarceration in America. Judges, lawyers, police and the prison system all do better when when lots of people are locked up.We are in complete agreement on this point.
I think citizens in the United States of America have to get back to personal responsibility. When Nancy Regan said to the US population, "just say no" to drugs. I laughed. Now that I am older I can say the former First Lady had a point.
Finally, I believe somebody here (not Subcmdr) wrote that part of the solution is to put the CEO's of American corporations in jail, starting with the drug companies. I emphatically disagree. The Venezuelization of the USA is not the solution.Agreed. But they should not be able to keep their jobs either. They should be subject to direct financial penalties just like Police Officers are all over the United States of America. A CEO has a host of responsibilities. One of which is, as the brain of the corporate citizen, he must run it in such a way as to make it a good citizen of the society that make its existence possible. That means obeying the law.
Are we going to allow profit to prevail when corporate actions harm our fellow citizens?
Sorry, like I said I am not too political and your post is extensive. I only read it once briefly so if I make mistake in my response, I apologize ahead of time.
Okay! So now you want me to believe that you're "not too political...", after providing a your rather long, but politically opinionated post? Yeah...I could hardly tell (...kkkk!)
Like I said in my original post, I am no expect in the realm of politics, but I offer my opinion which I always base the majority off of what I experience in the real world. I am also someone who has experienced all walks of life in USA and I think this gives me a little more confidence in my opinions. I am not sheltered to being around just one class or area of people. That being said, my four step plan is just some suggestion I threw out off the top of my head and I agree with you to some extent about the war on drugs and perhaps it has been a waste of money. I always think, if I was a government and I seized several tons of cocaine, would I just destroy it or secretly sell it on the street for hundreds of millions, and use that money to pay off national debt? It always makes me wonder.
I do however feel very strongly that the border needs to absolutely be secured and fentanyl has no place in USA. Cocaine is one thing, but fentanyl kills normal everyday people who just want to party for the night and they end up dead. Thanks, I appreciate you stating, most of what you say is just an opinion. Again, I just want to repeat what I said before, about you expressing that's just the way you feel about certain issues, as an opinion and that it's perfectly okay with me. As many of us have the same or similar world experiences, while many millions more have different and opposite reactions, thoughts and beliefs to our lived world experiences.
However, I would argue that much of what you feel to be "true", can also be very much antithetical to how the majority of the Americans feel about the same issues.
I also don't think it's fair to just let millions and millions of people into the country unchecked where they will work and not pay taxes. Border should be secured regulated and anyone who comes in to work is paying mother fucking taxes just like me, and no they don't get a vote. If they stay 7-10 years and keep their noses clean, offer a path to citizenship. That's how it used to be back in the day. Now it's just a dangerous mess. Do you have any data/info on these unchecked millions? And over what length of time or time period are we talking about, years? Decades? Or is this just another opinion?
I have said this many times, Jan. 6th rioters were morons and I have no problem prosecuting them in the court of law to the fullest extent. The vast majority are not insurrectionists and it was nothing close to an insurrection. A real insurrection has the support of a military strong enough to subdue the population and the nation's military it is trying to conquer. Think bay of pigs, that was a real insurrection! A few thousand trained guerilla soldiers armed to the teeth. Jan. 6 was a bunch of fat drunk rednecks who acted like morons. To think they would ever have stood a chance at sparking an insurrection is the dumbest thing I have ever heard and CNN runs that "narrative" 24/7 non-stop to this day! This is a huge reason I have shifted my views strongly to the right. Democrats have run too many false narratives and they have lost my trust and the trust of many Americans. They never should have put the insurrectionist spin on Jan. 6 to the extent that they did. Luckily the vast majority, were able to go home that peacefully and NOT locked up, in a paddy wagons. Also of the nearly +10K, insurrectionists and rioters, that stormed the Capital Building, the vast majority were NOT prosecuted (only about 10%), as Trump and his cronies made sure, inadequate police and LE were NOT present.
BTW, much what you believe about the the pipe-bomb welding J6 insurrectionists, could be said about BLM protestors, which IMHO is a truer statement. And that would be, "the vast majority" are there to peacefully protest, and that the bulk of the violence is perpetrated by a few numbskulls, outside agitators and/or agent provocateurs.
As for Defund the police, here is the wikipedia link. I suggest you read it. It is strongly linked to Democrat Party and was a disgraceful political movement, again although I was raised to hate cops and I am kind of glad more professionalism was brought to the law enforcement industry. I think defund the police took it way too far though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defund_the_police. May I suggest you re-read the Wiki page to your link again. It seems your understanding of what is written, is clouded.
Yes, while the BLM (a typically leftist) movement may have popularized the slogan, Repubs and right-wing MSM, have always tried to associate the slogan with Dems (and rightly so), but no one from the Dem party has campaigned to "Defund the Police".
The Wiki article in your link bears out that "association", but no evidence Dems called for a defunding:
"Many sociologists, criminologists, and journalists have criticized aspects of the police defunding movement. In the United States, despite support for defunding being largely associated with left-wing, Democratic Party policies, politicians from both the Democratic and Republican parties have spoken against defunding, although Republicans have sought to link Democrats to the movement in congressional races."
"Among the general public in the United States, the concept of defunding the police is unpopular. According to a 2024 study, there is no evidence of police defunding in major US cities in the aftermath of the 2020 BLM protests while cities with large Republican vote shares tended to increase police budgets in the aftermath of the protests."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defund_the_police.
Note that several of us, provided you with several examples of Repubs "Defunding the Police/FBI".
Meanwhile, "Defund the FBI", is another slogan that was perhaps popularized by QAnon/MAGA enthusiasts (piggy-backing of the BLM slogan), and likewise, Dems have tried to associated the slogan with Repubs. However, the Dems, rightly so it would seem, are justified. As in this case (see article below), many Repub candidates have called for the federal LE and FBI agency to be defunded or abolished.
"Defund the FBI" complicates GOP's midterm messaging, Aug 22, 2022
https://www.axios.com/2022/08/16/defund-fbi-trump-republicans-midterms
Once again more clear examples provided to you and not just "a feeling", about Repubs, being perhaps slightly more guilty of ACTUALLY wanting to defund the police or FBI.
As for social services, It is a tricky line because if you provide too much social services, people do not have an incentive to work. Its just human nature to take advantage of the system, just like Trump said he used to do with the Tax code and paying his taxes. I think any city with a severe homeless problem does need to provide adequate shelters so people in tents are not living in front of peoples homes and businesses. If we can afford billion dollar air force fighters just, we can provide shelters for homeless, but it can't be so nice it will incentivize people to not work. That is my opinion. You have to ask yourself who benefits more when it comes to "human nature to take advantage of the system". Trump would like you to think that because he does it, everyone else must be doing it. NOT TRUE! This is a very cynical way, of looking at life, that narcissists like Trump would have you believe.
I like to think that most assistive systems like social services, work like something you said earlier, that "...the vast majority are not insurrectionist", therefore that leaves a few bad apples, like Trump that spoil things for the rest of us law abiding citizens?
As for my friend's death, I know his situation personally and he struggled many years with addiction and ultimately it was not fentanyl that killed him, but his own demons. Fentanyl was just the straw that broke the camels back. I think some cultural changes need to take place in our country which decreases the amount of people turning to develop self destructive habits in the form of severe addiction. How we do that, I don't know? I do know that based off my real world experience when I speak to people from other countries I always get asked about why a rich nation like USA has so many drug addicts, so much violence, and so many homeless? When it comes to solving those problems, I believe at this point, Republicans would be more effective at handling hose issues.
Strong economy! Low inflation! Opportunity! Utilize nation's natural resources to fullest extent! Secure border! Tough on crime! Negotiate best trade deals!
For right now, fuck the environment for the next four years. Fuck the cartels! Fuck funding more foreign wars!
Look IMHO, discussions not just based on "one's feelings", ought to be more substantiated with evidence, proof, or examples provided, other than what we each "feels" or "thinks" is true. At the the end of day, we can still agree to disagree, even if you are just posting your feelings and opinions. But I would at very least, like to understand or examine your reasoning and informational sources, to draw my own conclusions, as to why I MAY or MAY NOT agree with you.
Yes, WE ALL have lived different "truths", and no one can deny us of our personal "truths". However, our personal "truths" should not be conflated with that of a boarder nationwide or worldwide view, on issues that face millions and billions of other people with their own "truths" and lived experiences.
One the the best things like like about your posts is that they are respectful. I can stipulate for you about the class thing. I don't think the "rich" are saying "let's dumb them down and drug them up". When I take a step back from it I see it as benign neglect.
In my opinion the real issue is not actually drug use. It is impairment when it time go do the job. I am certain that we can agree that those that operate heavy equipment should not be impaired when they show up for work. Yet, they can be even if they never touched drugs. They could have been up all night fucking prostitutes and didn't get any sleep. Do you want your pilot in that condition? I approve of tests for impairment. If someone one wants to use drugs on their off time that is their business and I feel like drug tests are overreach and designed for the purpose of control.
Not really familiar with fentanyl. But you can be a functioning heroin addict.
We are in complete agreement on this point.
I think citizens in the United States of America have to get back to personal responsibility. When Nancy Regan said to the US population, "just say no" to drugs. I laughed. Now that I am older I can say the former First Lady had a point.
Agreed. But they should not be able to keep their jobs either. They should be subject to direct financial penalties just like Police Officers are all over the United States of America. A CEO has a host of responsibilities. One of which is, as the brain of the corporate citizen, he must run it in such a way as to make it a good citizen of the society that make its existence possible. That means obeying the law.
Are we going to allow profit to prevail when corporate actions harm our fellow citizens?Good post SubComdr. I agree. About your last item, I believe regulation, the threat of civil lawsuits, and competition among companies largely keeps harmful corporate actions in check. There are cases that slip through the cracks though. There's an article in the New York Times today about a mental hospital system that's listed on the stock exchange. People would come in to the emergency room, for example to adjust their bipolar medications. And then the hospital would forcibly keep them for a week to make more money off them. That's going to catch up with them though. I bet their share price takes a deep dive on Monday. There may be criminal and civil actions filed against the company, and executives heads may roll.
It can go the other way too -- if you go overboard on the regulation and lawsuits, it's harmful. The current regulatory ban on new permits for LNG (liquefied natural gas) facilities is an example. The rationale is that it will reduce carbon emissions. But it may do exactly the opposite. Many places, especially developing countries, will burn more coal to generate electricity, which emits more carbon, if LNG prices are high.
Luckily the vast majority, were able to go home that peacefully and NOT locked up, in a paddy wagons. Also of the nearly +10K, insurrectionists and rioters, that stormed the Capital Building, the vast majority were NOT prosecuted (only about 10%), as Trump and his cronies made sure, inadequate police and LE were NOT present.
BTW, much what you believe about the the pipe-bomb welding J6 insurrectionists, could be said about BLM protestors, which IMHO is a truer statement. And that would be, "the vast majority" are there to peacefully protest, and that the bulk of the violence is perpetrated by a few numbskulls, outside agitators and/or agent provocateurs.Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the 10,000+ figure is the number of people estimated to have attended Trump's rally in Washington D.C. on January 6. Yeah, he probably said there were millions, but 10,000+ is the AP's estimate. It could have been as many as 80,000 according the Army Secretary.
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2022-01-05/by-the-numbers-jan-6-anniversary
The FBI estimated between 2000 and 2500 entered the Capitol Building. According to a January, 2024 NYT article, 1240 people had been arrested in connection with the attack. And the NYT speculated that may represent only half of the total indictments which will ultimately be filed. So apparently they're going to charge everyone they can identify who entered the building, and some people who didn't.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/04/us/january-6-capitol-trump-investigation.html
This is another example of how the criminal justice system in the USA is screwed up. The Republicans want to put all the Democrats in jail, and the Democrats want to put all the Republicans in jail. If you're going to compare January 6 to BLM protests, you'd have to say the Democrats have been more successful prosecuting their opponents, probably because they mostly control Washington D.C. and other large cities where the protests occurred.
Our world which need peace wish for no Trump, to get rid of Netanyahou and Putin death and we will all live better after them. In US, I couldn t understand how a woman could vote for Trump, from his lack of respect for women, or they are really 0 neuron.
MarquisdeSade1
09-02-24, 07:07
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPgW1U0Eidw
Blame everything on the Republicans. There's no correlation I can see between whether a state is blue or red and the rate of deaths by overdose. Four blue states are in top ten for most deaths per capita, while the four states with the lowest death rates, South Dakota, Iowa, Nebraska and Texas, are all red.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/drug_poisoning_mortality/drug_poisoning.htm
Thanks, but IMHO, I don't think those data points, apply to my post. In fact I think your post is somewhat antithetical and emblematic of what I wrote about.
Yes, I do blame the Reagan administration, for starting the "War on Drugs" (speaking of slogans), but I also blame the CIA. Others have blamed our greedy little hearts and heavy consumption of "all things white and powdery", due to our wealth of capital and abundant demand, which I also agree with.
Nothing wrong with understanding America's history with its drug problem and how it relates to many of the socio-economic conditions of its time in the 1970's, 1980's, 1990's and all the way forward, to current day issues, policies and events. It's equally important that history isn't revised, like Repub revisionists love to do, for example; with the gaslighting of history on American slavery and Black History.
But now that the problem still exists and insidiously persists, to this day, some 40+ years later after that faithless day Reagan proclaimed to Americans, "The War on Drugs", my post focused on "America getting past its differences", if WE are ever going to solve the problem.
So if the point or idea of your post/link was too highlight the division of blame and shame in blue and red states, w/r to the overdoses, deaths and whatever else your link highlights (as I did NOT look it, as I felt your post wasn't related to my post and), is YOUR argument and YOURS alone. My post did not make any such argument.
A reminder of the gist of my post:
Like most problems in society, they can be solved, if the political will power and true political bipartisan buy-in, occurs.
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If/When America ever gets past, an "us" vs."them" mentality, and comes to terms with it's "our America's problem", and adopts more hybrid combination of the Portugal European model with better holistic approaches to punishment, drug rehabilitation and addiction healthcare. To succeed, naturally, these programs should be given the proper resources, support, funding and time to properly mature and become viable solutions to decreasing drug usage and crime problem. ...
In the spirit of the Harris/Walz campaign, I'm feeling and basking in the joyous rays of energy, happiness and the uplifting delight, their ticket is bringing back to American politics, with bipartisan support from 200+ Repubs and even more Never Trumpers. It is within that same spirit of joy, bipartisanship (that YOU constantly accuse ISG Dems of not having) and a sense of cooperation that my previous post addresses. So...
Thanks for the post et al., but your antithetical data points, I think is making a different argument and one that belongs in another conversation and perhaps worth saving for another day?
PS: Feel free to re-state the case, you're trying to make with your data points.
RamDavidson84
09-02-24, 15:07
Okay! So now you want me to believe that you're "not too political...", after providing a your rather long, but politically opinionated post? Yeah...I could hardly tell (...kkkk!)
Thanks, I appreciate you stating, most of what you say is just an opinion. Again, I just want to repeat what I said before, about you expressing that's just the way you feel about certain issues, as an opinion and that it's perfectly okay with me. As many of us have the same or similar world experiences, while many millions more have different and opposite reactions, thoughts and beliefs to our lived world experiences.
However, I would argue that much of what you feel to be "true", can also be very much antithetical to how the majority of the Americans feel about the same issues.
Do you have any data/info on these unchecked millions? And over what length of time or time period are we talking about, years? Decades? Or is this just another opinion?
Luckily the vast majority, were able to go home that peacefully and NOT locked up, in a paddy wagons. Also of the nearly +10K, insurrectionists and rioters, that stormed the Capital Building, the vast majority were NOT prosecuted (only about 10%), as Trump and his cronies made sure, inadequate police and LE were NOT present.
BTW, much what you believe about the the pipe-bomb welding J6 insurrectionists, could be said about BLM protestors, which IMHO is a truer statement. And that would be, "the vast majority" are there to peacefully protest, and that the bulk of the violence is perpetrated by a few numbskulls, outside agitators and/or agent provocateurs.
May I suggest you re-read the Wiki page to your link again. It seems your understanding of what is written, is clouded.
Yes, while the BLM (a typically leftist) movement may have popularized the slogan, Repubs and right-wing MSM, have always tried to associate the slogan with Dems (and rightly so), but no one from the Dem party has campaigned to "Defund the Police".
The Wiki article in your link bears out that "association", but no evidence Dems called for a defunding:
"Many sociologists, criminologists, and journalists have criticized aspects of the police defunding movement. In the United States, despite support for defunding being largely associated with left-wing, Democratic Party policies, politicians from both the Democratic and Republican parties have spoken against defunding, although Republicans have sought to link Democrats to the movement in congressional races."
"Among the general public in the United States, the concept of defunding the police is unpopular. According to a 2024 study, there is no evidence of police defunding in major US cities in the aftermath of the 2020 BLM protests while cities with large Republican vote shares tended to increase police budgets in the aftermath of the protests."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defund_the_police.
Note that several of us, provided you with several examples of Repubs "Defunding the Police/FBI".
Meanwhile, "Defund the FBI", is another slogan that was perhaps popularized by QAnon/MAGA enthusiasts (piggy-backing of the BLM slogan), and likewise, Dems have tried to associated the slogan with Repubs. However, the Dems, rightly so it would seem, are justified. As in this case (see article below), many Repub candidates have called for the federal LE and FBI agency to be defunded or abolished..So when I say I am not too political, I am not, but I offer my opinion. Especially because it seems like this is not the "American Politics Forum", but the "Support Democrats No Matter What Forum" LOL. There doesn't seem to be too many people engaging in a real discussion based in objectivity, but more like people who support their political party no matter what and the other side is evil, stupid, and corrupt. I analyze and form my opinion on each particular issue even if it doesn't align with the political party I am supporting at the moment. If Kamala wins, even though I will not be voting for her and I truly don't trust her Political Party, I am still her number one fan on day one. I hope she is an amazing President if she pulls it off. I especially hope she figures out a way to get more money into my bank account and make the lives of me and my family and friends better. I could care less about her being a Democrat if she is truly the best person for the job. I have seen nothing to convince that will happen though, she has hidden the last 4 years and it took her a pathetic 40 days to even do an interview. It's sad and disheartening to see. Many people will vote for her though just because they are convinced Trump is a psycho racist due to the racial and socio-economic injustice which has plagued the history of the USA. I don't think many people out there genuinely believe in her abilities as a leader. If so, please show me an interview or speech where she deserves my respect as such. I remember that interview she did with Charlamayne Tha God and it was so cringe I couldn't watch it. If she can't stand up to that guy, how the fuck is she going to lead a country?
Yes, I have seen Rhetoric from republicans to go after the FBI. I don't agree with it strongly, but I do feel they have weaponized the government against Trump. False Russia conspiracy, two bogus impeachments based on nothing, convicting this guy and fining him hundreds of millions because he slandered some chick. That's so stupid. That being said, I don't think anyone should defund the FBI. Also, the defund the FBI campaign was no where even close to as strong as the defund the police campaign. That was very mainstream for a long time. I also think its silly to defund the education system and go after universities. I think that's nonsense and a waste of time and energy.
As for BLM, I agree with you 100%. The vast majority of BLM are good people who just want more equality and justice for blacks who have historically seen far more injustice and received much less privilege. BLM is very important and was a noble cause. The few bad apples did spoil the bunch. Here is my problem with BLM. They eventually took the stance that if you don't support our cause, that means your racist and your a bad person. They went so far to even state, if you stay silent and don't offer a public opinion supporting my cause, that means you racist and your evil. That's when BLM lost me and I felt it was more about creating division and chaos than it was actually about advancing the prosperity of African Americans. I don't think Martin Luther King or an older more mature Malcom X would have supported those sentiments.
Anyone reading this is probably already aware that, to call a proud white man or woman racist publicly is like calling an African American the n word. It just shuts us down completely and the level of shame and pain from being called that publicly is overwhelming. For many white males, they experience the emotion of shame very intensely. I believe its why white males are far more likely to commit suicide. It is unacceptable to be unproductive for many white males. I also don't mean to de-value the significance of shame to any other races when I state that. Of course all humans experience shame very intensely. My point is, so when BLM takes the strong stance that it did and falsely played the race card like that, I could no longer support them even though I thought the core of what BLM stood for was of righteous significance.
Here is why I am not big on charts and data and links. In this day and age, you can find a chart or statistic to prove any argument your going to try to make. I think we need to get beyond that because so many statistics are flawed or biased. If its just some barber shop chatter, like this forum, I trust the word of people I know and respect more than some mumbo jumbo analytical data from a biased internet website. The level of bias in the media can no longer be trusted as it was before the age of the internet. Again, this is just my opinion. So I am not going to put any charts up, but I am fairly positive that in the last several decades, tens of millions of illegal immigrants have crossed that border, and yes there was also many positive aspects about that for both the immigrants and American citizens. I think now is the time when we totally secure that border and make much easier to legally immigrate into the country and regulate it. I have seen with my eyes dozens of these caravans of thousands of immigrants breaking into the USA and I have seen many many people in my community affected by Fentanyl and I think its time to divert our resources to sealing up the border once and for all. And yes I m completely aware many Americans disagree with me and no I don't want to see anyone who is here and is working and contributing be deported.
As for me believing it is human nature to take advantage of the system and the laws put forth upon us. I think it is the same with pussy or food. If a man is hungry, he will eat and you can bank on that 100%. If a man is horny, he going to fuck 100%. If a man sees cash on the street, that shit is going right in his pocket! If the law says you can get a comfy bed and some hot meals without working, your going to get a shit load of mother fuckers lining up to take advantage. It is just human nature. So for social services, as I said before, it is a very delicate balancing act you must perform and you cannot offer so much social services that it will incentivize citizens not to work and contribute adequate amounts of taxes which pay for those same services. You also can not offer so little resources that people resort to destitution which then plagues society. The achievement goal for societal design is to get as many people as possible living a high quality of life while also always trying to advance that same society and solve all of its problems until we reach the generation of a true perfect utopia where everyone lives forever and never experiences any pain or trauma LOL. Sorry went on a bit of a side quest rant there LOL.
So when I say I am not too political, I am not, but I offer my opinion. Especially because it seems like this is not the "American Politics Forum", but the "Support Democrats No Matter What Forum" LOL. There doesn't seem to be too many people engaging in a real discussion based in objectivity, but more like people who support their political party no matter what and the other side is evil, stupid, and corrupt. I analyze and form my opinion on each particular issue even if it doesn't align with the political party I am supporting at the moment. If Kamala wins, even though I will not be voting for her and I truly don't trust her Political Party, I am still her number one fan on day one. I hope she is an amazing President if she pulls it off. I especially hope she figures out a way to get more money into my bank account and make the lives of me and my family and friends better. I could care less about her being a Democrat if she is truly the best person for the job. I have seen nothing to convince that will happen though, she has hidden the last 4 years and it took her a pathetic 40 days to even do an interview. It's sad and disheartening to see. Many people will vote for her though just because they are convinced Trump is a psycho racist due to the racial and socio-economic injustice which has plagued the history of the USA. I don't think many people out there genuinely believe in her abilities as a leader. If so, please show me an interview or speech where she deserves my respect as such. I remember that interview she did with Charlamayne Tha God and it was so cringe I couldn't watch it. If she can't stand up to that guy, how the fuck is she going to lead a country?
Yes, I have seen Rhetoric from republicans to go after the FBI. I don't agree with it strongly, but I do feel they have weaponized the government against Trump. False Russia conspiracy, two bogus impeachments based on nothing, convicting this guy and fining him hundreds of millions because he slandered some chick. That's so stupid. That being said, I don't think anyone should defund the FBI. Also, the defund the FBI campaign was no where even close to as strong as the defund the police campaign. That was very mainstream for a long time. I also think its silly to defund the education system and go after universities. I think that's nonsense and a waste of time and energy.
As for BLM, I agree with you 100%. The vast majority of BLM are good people who just want more equality and justice for blacks who have historically seen far more injustice and received much less privilege. BLM is very important and was a noble cause. The few bad apples did spoil the bunch. Here is my problem with BLM. They eventually took the stance that if you don't support our cause, that means your racist and your a bad person. They went so far to even state, if you stay silent and don't offer a public opinion supporting my cause, that means you racist and your evil. That's when BLM lost me and I felt it was more about creating division and chaos than it was actually about advancing the prosperity of African Americans. I don't think Martin Luther King or an older more mature Malcom X would have supported those sentiments.
Anyone reading this is probably already aware that, to call a proud white man or woman racist publicly is like calling an African American the n word. It just shuts us down completely and the level of shame and pain from being called that publicly is overwhelming. For many white males, they experience the emotion of shame very intensely. I believe its why white males are far more likely to commit suicide. It is unacceptable to be unproductive for many white males. I also don't mean to de-value the significance of shame to any other races when I state that. Of course all humans experience shame very intensely. My point is, so when BLM takes the strong stance that it did and falsely played the race card like that, I could no longer support them even though I thought the core of what BLM stood for was of righteous significance.
Here is why I am not big on charts and data and links. In this day and age, you can find a chart or statistic to prove any argument your going to try to make. I think we need to get beyond that because so many statistics are flawed or biased. If its just some barber shop chatter, like this forum, I trust the word of people I know and respect more than some mumbo jumbo analytical data from a biased internet website. The level of bias in the media can no longer be trusted as it was before the age of the internet. Again, this is just my opinion. So I am not going to put any charts up, but I am fairly positive that in the last several decades, tens of millions of illegal immigrants have crossed that border, and yes there was also many positive aspects about that for both the immigrants and American citizens. I think now is the time when we totally secure that border and make much easier to legally immigrate into the country and regulate it. I have seen with my eyes dozens of these caravans of thousands of immigrants breaking into the USA and I have seen many many people in my community affected by Fentanyl and I think its time to divert our resources to sealing up the border once and for all. And yes I m completely aware many Americans disagree with me and no I don't want to see anyone who is here and is working and contributing be deported.
As for me believing it is human nature to take advantage of the system and the laws put forth upon us. I think it is the same with pussy or food. If a man is hungry, he will eat and you can bank on that 100%. If a man is horny, he going to fuck 100%. If a man sees cash on the street, that shit is going right in his pocket! If the law says you can get a comfy bed and some hot meals without working, your going to get a shit load of mother fuckers lining up to take advantage. It is just human nature. So for social services, as I said before, it is a very delicate balancing act you must perform and you cannot offer so much social services that it will incentivize citizens not to work and contribute adequate amounts of taxes which pay for those same services. You also can not offer so little resources that people resort to destitution which then plagues society. The achievement goal for societal design is to get as many people as possible living a high quality of life while also always trying to advance that same society and solve all of its problems until we reach the generation of a true perfect utopia where everyone lives forever and never experiences any pain or trauma LOL. Sorry went on a bit of a side quest rant there LOL.Excellent, well-written post. The only thing substantive I'd disagree with is Trump's 2nd impeachment. He deserved it, and should have been convicted by the Senate. But yes, the lawsuits and prosecutions in New York were shams. He lost because the cases were tried in Manhattan, and people in Manhattan hate him. The part about societal design and a true perfect utopia is satire, right?
Good you didn't fall for Spidy's request for data and info. He would have just figured out a way to ignore it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPgW1U0EidwHilarious, especially the second one. Gavin Newsome doesn't appear to have a whole lot of respect for the First Amendment. Or a sense of humor.
Thanks, but IMHO, I don't think those data points, apply to my post. In fact I think your post is somewhat antithetical and emblematic of what I wrote about. Antithetical and emblematic. Is that an oxymoron?
You posted:
But when one political party (Repubs), continues to see the drug problem, not as a problem to be solved as a unified front, but rather as, a bargaining chip, or a hammer with which to beat/pound your political opposition with, or a campaign prop to rally their base, it's clear that Americans will be doomed and subjected to yet another 40+ years of failure.
Essentially, Americans with be stuck in political quagmire quicksand. Which I fear, is just where "no nothing", "do nothing" Repubs, currently don't mind wallowing and politicking.The solution lies at the state and local level. Communities and states, not the Feds, can change drug laws, and push counseling, rehabilitation and jobs programs for addicts. And, at the state level, apparently the "do nothing Repubs" aren't doing too badly in stemming the fentanyl / opioid crisis in Nebraska, or Texas for that matter. In fact nine of the ten states with the lowest death rates from overdoses are red. Still, I don't believe there's necessarily a correlation between Democratic or Republican policies and the number of addicts and overdoses. If what you say were correct, then you'd think there would be, and a lot more people, per capita, would be dying in red states. But that's not the case.
Yes, I do blame the Reagan administration, for starting the "War on Drugs" (speaking of slogans), but I also blame the CIA. Others have blamed our greedy little hearts and heavy consumption of "all things white and powdery", due to our wealth of capital and abundant demand, which I also agree with.
Nothing wrong with understanding America's history with its drug problem and how it relates to many of the socio-economic conditions of its time in the 1970's, 1980's, 1990's and all the way forward, to current day issues, policies and events. It's equally important that history isn't revised, like Repub revisionists love to do, for example; with the gaslighting of history on American slavery and Black History.
But now that the problem still exists and insidiously persists, to this day, some 40+ years later after that faithless day Reagan proclaimed to Americans, "The War on Drugs", my post focused on "America getting past its differences", if WE are ever going to solve the problem.Never pass up an opportunity to bring up Republican gaslighting on slavery or Black History when you're focused on America getting past its differences. I believe Reagan's War on Drugs was stupid. Furthermore, I don't believe sealing the border air tight is a practical solution. I far favor something like Checkmate's "Portuguese solution," back when Portugal was devoting sufficient resources to the problem to make it work. Admittedly we could do like some countries and just start executing drug addicts and traffickers. That would be the most effective solution. But not acceptable to me because I don't believe in capital punishment. And for that matter on telling people what they can and can't ingest, unless it's something really destructive like fentanyl.
That said, if anything, Reagan's War on Drugs decreased illegal drug consumption in the USA. But at what cost? Attacking the demand side, preferably through getting counseling and jobs for addicts instead of locking them up, is more productive than going after traffickers in Colombia and Mexico.
Yes, Reagan's War on Drugs, like Bush's War on Terror, should never have been waged. And perhaps without the Obama / Biden War on Coal and the Biden War on Natural Gas, West Virginia wouldn't be at the top of the chart of states with the most drug overdoses. I imagine poverty and joblessness are correlated with use of fentanyl and opioids, and Obama and Biden took away the West Virginian's jobs.
So if the point or idea of your post/link was too highlight the division of blame and shame in blue and red states, w/r to the overdoses, deaths and whatever else your link highlights (as I did NOT look it, as I felt your post wasn't related to my post and), is YOUR argument and YOURS alone. My post did not make any such argument.
A reminder of the gist of my post:
In the spirit of the Harris/Walz campaign, I'm feeling and basking in the joyous rays of energy, happiness and the uplifting delight, their ticket is bringing back to American politics, with bipartisan support from 200+ Repubs and even more Never Trumpers. It is within that same spirit of joy, bipartisanship (that YOU constantly accuse ISG Dems of not having) and a sense of cooperation that my previous post addresses. So...
Thanks for the post et al., but your antithetical data points, I think is making a different argument and one that belongs in another conversation and perhaps worth saving for another day?
PS: Feel free to re-state the case, you're trying to make with your data points.Well, please feel free to look at the data. I'm not falling for that one a second time. Re-state my case and you might read my post or look at the data points. I'm not Charlie Brown and you're not Lucy.
You and Tooms are happy to make spurious correlations between the party of the president and employment and GDP growth. And ignore the real, underlying reasons for changes in employment and GDP growth. However, if the spurious correlation works against the case for "Democrats are good, Republicans are bad," like with deaths of Americans in wars and party of the president, or states with the lowest rates of deaths from drug overdoses, then you're willing to dig deeper and look at the fundamentals. So I guess there is a silver lining here. You're doing your homework! And I do mostly agree with you about the War on Drugs and the border crisis as it relates to drug overdoses.
RamDavidson84
09-02-24, 21:51
Antithetical and emblematic. Is that an oxymoron?
You posted:
The solution, if there is one, lies at the state and local level. And apparently the "do nothing Repubs" aren't doing too badly in stemming the fentanyl / opioid crisis in Nebraska, or Texas for that matter. In fact nine of the ten states with the lowest death rates from overdoses are red. Still, I don't believe there's necessarily a correlation between Democratic or Republican policies and the number of addicts and overdoses. If what you say were correct, then you'd think there would be, and a lot more people, per capita, would be dying in red states. But that's not the case.
Never pass up an opportunity to bring up Republican gaslighting on slavery or Black History when you're focused on America getting past its differences. I believe Reagan's War on Drugs was stupid. Furthermore, I don't believe sealing the border air tight is a practical solution. I far favor something like Checkmate's "Portuguese solution," back when Portugal was devoting sufficient resources to the problem to make it work. Admittedly we could do like some countries and just start executing drug addicts and traffickers. That would be the most effective solution. But not acceptable to me because I don't believe in capital punishment. And for that matter on telling people what they can and can't ingest, unless it's something really destructive like fentanyl.
That said, if anything, Reagan's War on Drugs decreased illegal drug consumption in the USA. But at what cost? Attacking the demand side, preferably through getting counseling and jobs for addicts instead of locking them up, is more productive than going after traffickers in Colombia and Mexico.
Yes, Reagan's War on Drugs, like Bush's War on Terror, should never have been waged. And perhaps without the Obama / Biden War on Coal and the Biden War on Natural Gas, West Virginia wouldn't be at the top of the chart of states with the most drug overdoses. I imagine poverty and joblessness are correlated with use of fentanyl and opioids, and Obama and Biden took away the West Virginian's jobs.
Well, please feel free to look at the data. I'm not falling for that one a second time. Re-state my case and you might read my post or look at the data points. I'm not Charlie Brown and you're not Lucy.
You and Tooms are happy to make spurious correlations between the party of the president and employment and GDP growth. And ignore the real, underlying reasons for changes in employment and GDP growth. However, if the spurious correlation works against the case for "Democrats are good, Republicans are bad," like with deaths of Americans in wars and party of the president, or states with the lowest rates of deaths from drug overdoses, then you're willing to dig deeper and look at the fundamentals. So I guess there is a silver lining here. You're doing your homework! And I do mostly agree with you about the War on Drugs and the border crisis as it relates to drug overdoses.Yeah I was joking about societal design, but I am serious when I say we should all be contributing to some degree and always trying to solve the problems our societies face. As for the border, sometimes I think if they legalized and sold cocaine in USA it would eliminate the earning potential for the cartels and create a legitimate industry for Colombia and Peru where the cocaine is grown. People are doing it anyway. I don't know if that would work, but who knows, maybe? Alcohol and weed is legalized. If border is secured and immigration is made much easier and is regulated, it also eliminates the earnings for the cartels from human trafficking. With no earning potential, the cartels would cease to exist or their power and influence would be drastically reduced. I am also sure if they are earning billions, the logical conclusion is they are paying off politicians and capitalists all over Latin America, USA, and Europe as well.
So when I say I am not too political, I am not, but I offer my opinion. Especially because it seems like this is not the "American Politics Forum", but the "Support Democrats No Matter What Forum" LOL. There doesn't seem to be too many people engaging in a real discussion based in objectivity, but more like people who support their political party no matter what and the other side is evil, stupid, and corrupt. I analyze and form my opinion on each particular issue even if it doesn't align with the political party I am supporting at the moment.
Could have fooled me! Less than a few weeks ago (when Trump got shot at), I could have sworn, this forum turned into an ISG Mongerer's early version of the 2024 Republican National Convention. You had Repubs and QAnon\MAGA cultists, conspirators and Trumpsters, crawl out from hiding, to deluge this forum with post after post of celebrations of untold glee, exuberance and triumph of a win in ROEvember, as I couldn't get a word in edgewise to inform your boisterous Repub QAnon/MAGA fellow ISGers that elections are won at the ballot-box.
So where are they now, all those Trumpsters and RFK Jr. supporters (...kkkk!) from just a few weeks ago? But hey, good-news is, you're still hear holding down the fort, as it were!
If Kamala wins, even though I will not be voting for her and I truly don't trust her Political Party, I am still her number one fan on day one. I hope she is an amazing President if she pulls it off. I especially hope she figures out a way to get more money into my bank account and make the lives of me and my family and friends better. I could care less about her being a Democrat if she is truly the best person for the job. I have seen nothing to convince that will happen though, she has hidden the last 4 years and it took her a pathetic 40 days to even do an interview. It's sad and disheartening to see. Many people will vote for her though just because they are convinced Trump is a psycho racist due to the racial and socio-economic injustice which has plagued the history of the USA. I don't think many people out there genuinely believe in her abilities as a leader. If so, please show me an interview or speech where she deserves my respect as such. I remember that interview she did with Charlamayne Tha God and it was so cringe I couldn't watch it. If she can't stand up to that guy, how the fuck is she going to lead a country?
Sure politicians can be cringeworthy at times, but none more so that the "weirdo" cringe duo of Trump/Vance. If I called them the "Kings of Cringe", I couldn't of spoken of anything more truer. They IMHO, literally ooze "cringe", that kind of cringe, is on a whole other level, the got dubbed "weird".
Yes, I have seen Rhetoric from republicans to go after the FBI. I don't agree with it strongly, but I do feel they have weaponized the government against Trump. False Russia conspiracy, two bogus impeachments based on nothing, convicting this guy and fining him hundreds of millions because he slandered some chick. That's so stupid. That being said, I don't think anyone should defund the FBI. Also, the defund the FBI campaign was no where even close to as strong as the defund the police campaign. That was very mainstream for a long time. I also think its silly to defund the education system and go after universities. I think that's nonsense and a waste of time and energy.
Trump and his J6, cronies, insurrectionists and rioters are not above the law, if they're found criminally liable. And neither is BLM. The popularization of "Defund the Police", was stronger, because right-wing politicans, FOXY Muse and other MSM, seized this as an opportunity to paint Dems as demons and to fill their "fear mongering watching base", with dreed. If you're against the silly notion of abolishing the educational system, then you should be railing against Trump and Project 2025.
As for BLM, I agree with you 100%. The vast majority of BLM are good people who just want more equality and justice for blacks who have historically seen far more injustice and received much less privilege. BLM is very important and was a noble cause. The few bad apples did spoil the bunch. Here is my problem with BLM. They eventually took the stance that if you don't support our cause, that means your racist and your a bad person. They went so far to even state, if you stay silent and don't offer a public opinion supporting my cause, that means you racist and your evil. That's when BLM lost me and I felt it was more about creating division and chaos than it was actually about advancing the prosperity of African Americans. I don't think Martin Luther King or an older more mature Malcom X would have supported those sentiments.
Anyone reading this is probably already aware that, to call a proud white man or woman racist publicly is like calling an African American the n word. It just shuts us down completely and the level of shame and pain from being called that publicly is overwhelming. For many white males, they experience the emotion of shame very intensely. I believe its why white males are far more likely to commit suicide. It is unacceptable to be unproductive for many white males. I also don't mean to de-value the significance of shame to any other races when I state that. Of course all humans experience shame very intensely.
Some of your thoughts on BLM are fair, but should not reduce the long hard fought movement for justice, because Black folk and people of color are telling you their "truths" and use words like "racist" to describe some white folk. It is just simply their "truth", their lived world experiences and their painful history of slavery in America for the past 400+ years.
And sure it might just be their opinions of the some white folk (which I may not agree with), but hey it's their opinion, just like you have your opinion. DON'T mean it's RIGHT or even FACTUAL correct! But they have one!
So when the latest reiteration, for the call for justice from Black folk, show up as BLM and utter a few inflammatory words like "racist", given the history of injustice from events like, 1921 Tulsa, Oklahoma, racial burning, massacre and slaughter of +300 blacks and the beating of thousands more, to the modern day police sanctioned killing and murders of people of color, like George Floyd (at a
disproportionate rate) at the hands of police, I for one am thankful, it's just peaceful protests and "harsh language", their using.
Vehemently, disagree with conflating the two words, as having the same contextual historical significance. The "racist" word for whites and the "n" word for blacks, are IMHO nothing alike. Black, Brown and other people of color get painted as racists, just as often.
W/R to MLK and Malcolm X...perhaps not! But I am going to flip your question on its head and ask you, "Did the racists and white supremacists of the day, like George Wallace or Joseph McCarthy, want peace or to sow division, with their fellow Americans of color?"
Fast forward to today, do you think Trump's hateful speeches are all about peace and unity? Or his running mate calling him "America's Hitler"? Or his dinners with Neo-Nazis, like Nick Fuentes? Or ties to J6 insurrectionists, Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, Three (3%) percenters, White Nationalists, bikers and skin heads is a coincident? Or his ties with INCEL, misogynists and anti-semites like Charlie Kick and Gov. of North Carolina, Mark Keith Robinson? What about any of this would have you believe, it isn't "...more about creating division and chaos than it was actually about advancing the prosperity of [African] Americans"? To use your words.
My point is, so when BLM takes the strong stance that it did and falsely played the race card like that, I could no longer support them even though I thought the core of what BLM stood for was of righteous significance.
Yes, BLM's righteous struggle for equality and equal treatment of justice under the law, IS and has ALWAYS been universally TRUE. Unfounded opinions aside, w/r to "playing the race card", I think it is Trump and his QAnon/MAGA minions/disciples who are sowing division in America, with their white supremacist ideology, borrowed from the 1960's and other periods of American racial unrest.
Here is why I am not big on charts and data and links. ...
... Sorry went on a bit of a side quest rant there LOL. Yeah, I'll stop you there, and say thanks for the opinion!
As I am fully aware, that Trump loves his gullible ideological Repubs/QAnon/MAGA supporters, whom have been, may I say politely "brainwashed" and "indoctrinated", into pushing the Rush Limbaugh narrative about "the four corners of deceit" and have been told to abolish, rebuff and deny all forms of:
government, academia, science, and the media, isn't news to me.
So your "opinion" about NOT providing facts comes as no surprise! In fact, I expected as much! So I'll leave you with a parting quote from a renaissance man of science.
As Leo said:
"The greatest deception men suffer is their own opinions" -Leonardo da Vinci
Antithetical and emblematic. Is that an oxymoron?
You posted:
The solution lies at the state and local level. Communities and states, not the Feds, can change drug laws, and push counseling, rehabilitation and jobs programs for addicts. And, at the state level, apparently the "do nothing Repubs" aren't doing too badly in stemming the fentanyl / opioid crisis in Nebraska, or Texas for that matter. In fact nine of the ten states with the lowest death rates from overdoses are red. Still, I don't believe there's necessarily a correlation between Democratic or Republican policies and the number of addicts and overdoses. If what you say were correct, then you'd think there would be, and a lot more people, per capita, would be dying in red states. But that's not the case.
Never pass up an opportunity to bring up Republican gaslighting on slavery or Black History when you're focused on America getting past its differences. I believe Reagan's War on Drugs was stupid. Furthermore, I don't believe sealing the border air tight is a practical solution. I far favor something like Checkmate's "Portuguese solution," back when Portugal was devoting sufficient resources to the problem to make it work. Admittedly we could do like some countries and just start executing drug addicts and traffickers. That would be the most effective solution. But not acceptable to me because I don't believe in capital punishment. And for that matter on telling people what they can and can't ingest, unless it's something really destructive like fentanyl.
That said, if anything, Reagan's War on Drugs decreased illegal drug consumption in the USA. But at what cost? Attacking the demand side, preferably through getting counseling and jobs for addicts instead of locking them up, is more productive than going after traffickers in Colombia and Mexico.
Yes, Reagan's War on Drugs, like Bush's War on Terror, should never have been waged. And perhaps without the Obama / Biden War on Coal and the Biden War on Natural Gas, West Virginia wouldn't be at the top of the chart of states with the most drug overdoses. I imagine poverty and joblessness are correlated with use of fentanyl and opioids, and Obama and Biden took away the West Virginian's jobs.
Well, please feel free to look at the data. I'm not falling for that one a second time. Re-state my case and you might read my post or look at the data points. I'm not Charlie Brown and you're not Lucy.
You and Tooms are happy to make spurious correlations between the party of the president and employment and GDP growth. And ignore the real, underlying reasons for changes in employment and GDP growth. However, if the spurious correlation works against the case for "Democrats are good, Republicans are bad," like with deaths of Americans in wars and party of the president, or states with the lowest rates of deaths from drug overdoses, then you're willing to dig deeper and look at the fundamentals. So I guess there is a silver lining here. You're doing your homework! And I do mostly agree with you about the War on Drugs and the border crisis as it relates to drug overdoses.With at least a Million American Deaths from Repub Trump's Pandemic added to Repub Lincoln's Civil War, Repub Eisenhower's Vietnam War, Repub GW Bush's Iraq War, Afghanistan War, etc, I didn't think anyone would want to keep tally of the number of American Deaths due to Repub vs Dem (mostly elective and not forced upon us) policies and stewardship as some bizarre slam on Dem results and outcomes.
But there it is.
If only the number of American jobs created vs LOST due to Repub presidents' policies and stewardship remotely matched the impressive number of American Deaths due to those Repub presidents' policies and stewardship, you might have something on your side worth arguing.
All as the result of a remarkable, some would say impossible, series of wild coincidences, magical economic cycles, bad luck for Repub potuses vs good luck for Dem potuses, that rumored witch's curse and all that over the past 170+ years, of course.
Here is another non spurious Mainstream Media report that has been largely ignored since we and they knew about it more than four critical years and now 3 critical election seasons ago:
Under Fire For Coronavirus Response, Trump Officials Defend Disbanding Pandemic Team.
March 18, 2020
https://time.com/5806558/administration-officials-fight-criticism/
Anticipating the likely investigation into their handling of the coronavirus outbreak, current and former Trump Administration officials are starting to push back on widespread allegations that the Administrations cuts to critical global health staffing and funding may have hampered its response. Much of that attention has focused on the 2018 disbanding of a National Security Council unit focused on pandemic preparedness, which critics say left a leadership vacuum in global health security at the White House.
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Another former administration official, speaking anonymously in order to describe discussions with the President, placed the blame on Trump himself, who initially praised Beijing for its handling of the outbreak. "The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency," Trump tweeted Jan. 24. "It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!" Trump has now shifted to blaming China for being too slow to notify the international community, but the intervening weeks muddled the message the commander in chief was sending to Americans about the origin and scope of the threat.
"Basically, the President hates to admit to anything that could affect the economic success negatively and equally important, never wants to say anything about Xi Jin Ping or China that might impact the trade deal, the official says. Some have said its kind of a blindness."
... Good you didn't fall for Spidy's request for data and info. He would have just figured out a way to ignore it.Yeah, no doubt! But I would have loved, to have been given, the opportunity to ignore it! (... kkkk!)
Our world which need peace wish for no Trump, to get rid of Netanyahou and Putin death and we will all live better after them. In US, I couldn t understand how a woman could vote for Trump, from his lack of respect for women, or they are really 0 neuron.Preach Brother, Preach!
CheckMate1
09-03-24, 17:06
I do however feel very strongly that the border needs to absolutely be secured and fentanyl has no place in USA. Cocaine is one thing, but fentanyl kills normal everyday people who just want to party for the night and they end up dead. I also don't think it's fair to just let millions and millions of people into the country unchecked where they will work and not pay taxes. Border should be secured regulated and anyone who comes in to work is paying mother fucking taxes just like me, and no they don't get a vote. If they stay 7-10 years and keep their noses clean, offer a path to citizenship. That's how it used to be back in the day. Now it's just a dangerous mess.
Citizenship:
Let's get the misconceptions out of the way.
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/guides/G-1151.pdf
The information above is how to become an American citizen. Same requirements as long as I can remember, when I applied in 96.
The Border:
https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20%20Fentanyl%20Flow%20in%20the%20United%20States_0.pdf
Again, we have a growing demand, and it will be filled by corporations and / or countries. Education will reduce the demand (Long Term), a support system to help the people get off of it quicker (Short Term), and enforcing / punishing pharmas / countries that supply the material will curb the problem. Punishing individuals muling the product is a fool's errand.
Taxes:
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/do-immigrants-pay-taxes
It's only one page, please read it. We pay taxes because we, as citizens, want benefits from the government. Roads, schools, clean drinking water, social security when we retire, medicare when we can't work anymore but still have medical needs, unemployment benefits if we were to be laid off, an Arm Forces system to protect from other countries, etc. Most of these benefits, specifically the individualized ones are NOT available to anyone without a social security, which are illegal nonresident individuals. When they buy groceries, a tv, a phone or any other products, they pay sales tax, but without any benefit going back to them.
A vicious circle of non logical assumptions:
1. Immigrants don't know how to read/speak english. They should learn and assimilate into OUR country.
2. Millions of them are illegally voting and skewing our election.
If you can't read, how do you know how to vote? Would you not be noticed, especially at any scale larger than 2 people.
Antithetical and emblematic. Is that an oxymoron?
You posted:You tell me, is it an oxymoron? And Yeah, I know what I wrote!
As far as oxymorons go, your post suggesting Repubs and their "state's rights" (when convenient), is the "solution" IS DEFINITELY an oxymoron.
I see very little evidence of the notion, that Repubs and ruby red states, would serve and protect the rights of ALL Americans, residing in their state, equally and with out prejudices, if left to their own devices, is folly and a large amount of hubris.
The solution lies at the state and local level. Communities and states, not the Feds, can change drug laws, and push counseling, rehabilitation and jobs programs for addicts Yeah, you should have led with this in your first reply to my post. Perhaps then, your post would have contextually made sense.
But I think you'd be wrong. Long story short, as I alluded to in my initial post on the subject, basically Repubs can't be trusted to carry out and do the right thing for ALL American residents, living in their state. Their "culture war" politics are too divisive and not inclusive.
Just look at voting rights, LGBTQ rights, abortion, Mifepristone, IVF and book (dictionary) bans are great examples of Repubs and red states, having no intention of keeping these issues, as only "state rights" issues or applying them equally to their constituency. I am in favor of an top down approach, to ensure consistent uniformity in basic decriminalization rights, every American would have no matter the state.
And NOT like the voting system, that is a disastrous, hodgepodge of "state's rights" laws, made up to gerrymander, suppress and deny legal American citizens their right to vote, so as to artificially hold onto power. As with voting rights, Repubs can't be trusted to do the right thing.
Texas as a prime example:
Take the State of Texas, where Gov. Abbott, has created new a voting law, to give him powers to "suspend" (ie. suppress and purge) +2 million registered voters from voter lists.
Texas has removed a million people from the voter rolls. Why are we finding out now?, Aug 30, 2024
https://www.tpr.org/news/2024-08-30/texas-has-removed-a-million-people-from-the-voter-rolls-why-are-we-finding-out-now
And when "suspending" voters doesn't work, Gov. Abbott, decides to weaponize the Texas AG (Ken Paxton), LE and the police, to kick-down doors and harass tax paying American citizen voters, who's ONLY "crime" has been, according to Gov. Abbott, is NOT voting for him and the Repub Party.
Texas AG raids homes of Latino civil rights group members, setting up a voting rights showdown, Aug 27, 2024. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/house-raids-texas-democrats-ken-paxton-voting-rights-lulac-rcna168216
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton raids Latino Democrats' homes, including those of LULAC members, Aug 26, 2024. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-raids-latino-democrats-lulac-homes/
Never pass up an opportunity to bring up Republican gaslighting on slavery or Black History when you're focused on America getting past its differences.
Good advice! I always thought, it helps to clear the air, before hand and gets everyone focused on the right path to justice. Don't you feel better, already? I know I do!
I believe Reagan's War on Drugs was stupid. Furthermore, I don't believe sealing the border air tight is a practical solution. I far favor something like Checkmate's "Portuguese solution," back when Portugal was devoting sufficient resources to the problem to make it work... Glad you agree, because that's exactly what I said. If American's had even 20 of those 40+ years (of "The War on Drugs"), put into funding a 'Portuguese solution', it's a good bet we'd be having a very different kind of conversation.
Since decriminalization, Portugal has gone from having one of the highest drug rates, to one of the lowest drug addiction rates in Europe. Now I'm pretty sure that if this type of drug rehabilitation program, where Portugal decriminalized small amounts of "hard" and "soft" drugs, WERE NOT initiated by the Feds, as a nationwide program, Repub Conservatives, would sooner have their heads explode than to accept such a thing.
As funny as, Repubs Conservative, exploding heads maybe, it would be, "a cold day in HELL", before any such laws by their own making, to the decriminalizing of small amounts of "hard" and "soft" drugs, would ever pass muster, in their ruby red states.
Meaning, as I stated in my initial post, Repubs and Conservatives would rather continue to demonize drug users with addiction problems and use it as campaign fodder (especially against minority residents) for "tougher police and LE measures", than to ACTUALLY SOLVE the problem.
So that's an unequivocal...NO!!! I think you're wrong, and leaving it up to "state's rights", IS NOT the answer or the solution!
PS: BTW, that 'Portuguese solution', that you favor so much, was created, adopted and implemented by a leftist Portugal government.
So tell me, is it just "off with their heads" or does such a program even exist, anywhere in the world, currently under a right-wing gov't (or didn't inherit it, from a left-wing gov't)? (Note: Confirming the point, I was making in my initial post on the subject.)
CheckMate1
09-03-24, 19:18
Agree!
Instead of purging millions of from the voter roll as in Texas. How about an easier solution, costing almost nothing relative to the endless on going political battles. Here's a thought:
Example (opinion):
CA has about 313 K in deaths in 2022, divide that by 260 (number of days a single employee work each year), divide that by 8 hours, and you have 150 per day of data entry to remove from roll. Now you say, "well that's to much for a single person to verify each day. " Okay, we'll hire 10 people at $60 K a year, that's $600 K a year total, or about 1 lawyer's pay to work on this crap. 3 to maintain the roll ongoing, and the other 7 will work backward to clean up the previous years. Once the 7 are caught up with all the backward data, they can end that contract. Instead of going to courts year after year to fight this non-problem problem costing soooo much more money.
Death data source: https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/death-rate-per-100000/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22 sort%22:%22 asc%22%7 D
Yeah I was joking about societal design, but I am serious when I say we should all be contributing to some degree and always trying to solve the problems our societies face. As for the border, sometimes I think if they legalized and sold cocaine in USA it would eliminate the earning potential for the cartels and create a legitimate industry for Colombia and Peru where the cocaine is grown. People are doing it anyway. I don't know if that would work, but who knows, maybe? Alcohol and weed is legalized.
If border is secured and immigration is made much easier and is regulated, it also eliminates the earnings for the cartels from human trafficking. With no earning potential, the cartels would cease to exist or their power and influence would be drastically reduced. I am also sure if they are earning billions, the logical conclusion is they are paying off politicians and capitalists all over Latin America, USA, and Europe as well.This post show true perspective on this issues. I agree completely. But the problem is that war on drugs enriches the Plutocracy in the United States of America. So, does illegal immigration. The same Republicans that are screaming about the securing the border out the front door are hiring illegal immigrants at the back door.
You tell me, is it an oxymoron? And Yeah, I know what I wrote!
As far as oxymorons go, your post suggesting Repubs and their "state's rights" (when convenient), is the "solution" IS DEFINITELY an oxymoron.
I see very little evidence of the notion, that Repubs and ruby red states, would serve and protect the rights of ALL Americans, residing in their state, equally and with out prejudices, if left to their own devices, is folly and a large amount of hubris.
Yeah, you should have led with this in your first reply to my post. Perhaps then, your post would have contextually made sense.
But I think you'd be wrong. Long story short, as I alluded to in my initial post on the subject, basically Repubs can't be trusted to carry out and do the right thing for ALL American residents, living in their state. Their "culture war" politics are too divisive and not inclusive.
Just look at voting rights, LGBTQ rights, abortion, Mifepristone, IVF and book (dictionary) bans are great examples of Repubs and red states, having no intention of keeping these issues, as only "state rights" issues or applying them equally to their constituency. I am in favor of an top down approach, to ensure consistent uniformity in basic decriminalization rights, every American would have no matter the state.
And NOT like the voting system, that is a disastrous, hodgepodge of "state's rights" laws, made up to gerrymander, suppress and deny legal American citizens their right to vote, so as to artificially hold onto power. As with voting rights, Repubs can't be trusted to do the right thing.
Texas as a prime example:
Take the State of Texas, where Gov. Abbott, has created new a voting law, to give him powers to "suspend" (ie. suppress and purge) +2 million registered voters from voter lists.
Texas has removed a million people from the voter rolls. Why are we finding out now?, Aug 30, 2024
https://www.tpr.org/news/2024-08-30/texas-has-removed-a-million-people-from-the-voter-rolls-why-are-we-finding-out-now
And when "suspending" voters doesn't work, Gov. Abbott, decides to weaponize the Texas AG (Ken Paxton), LE and the police, to kick-down doors and harass tax paying American citizen voters, who's ONLY "crime" has been, according to Gov. Abbott, is NOT voting for him and the Repub Party.
Texas AG raids homes of Latino civil rights group members, setting up a voting rights showdown, Aug 27, 2024. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/house-raids-texas-democrats-ken-paxton-voting-rights-lulac-rcna168216
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton raids Latino Democrats' homes, including those of LULAC members, Aug 26, 2024. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-raids-latino-democrats-lulac-homes/
Good advice! I always thought, it helps to clear the air, before hand and gets everyone focused on the right path to justice. Don't you feel better, already? I know I do!
Glad you agree, because that's exactly what I said. If American's had even 20 of those 40+ years (of "The War on Drugs"), put into funding a 'Portuguese solution', it's a good bet we'd be having a very different kind of conversation.
Since decriminalization, Portugal has gone from having one of the highest drug rates, to one of the lowest drug addiction rates in Europe. Now I'm pretty sure that if this type of drug rehabilitation program, where Portugal decriminalized small amounts of "hard" and "soft" drugs, WERE NOT initiated by the Feds, as a nationwide program, Repub Conservatives, would sooner have their heads explode than to accept such a thing.
As funny as, Repubs Conservative, exploding heads maybe, it would be, "a cold day in HELL", before any such laws by their own making, to the decriminalizing of small amounts of "hard" and "soft" drugs, would ever pass muster, in their ruby red states.
Meaning, as I stated in my initial post, Repubs and Conservatives would rather continue to demonize drug users with addiction problems and use it as campaign fodder (especially against minority residents) for "tougher police and LE measures", than to ACTUALLY SOLVE the problem.
So that's an unequivocal...NO!!! I think you're wrong, and leaving it up to "state's rights", IS NOT the answer or the solution!
PS: BTW, that 'Portuguese solution', that you favor so much, was created, adopted and implemented by a leftist Portugal government.
So tell me, is it just "off with their heads" or does such a program even exist, anywhere in the world, currently under a right-wing gov't (or didn't inherit it, from a left-wing gov't)? (Note: Confirming the point, I was making in my initial post on the subject.)Where did I write anything about states rights?
I'm a little to the left of Bernie Sanders and possibly you on social policies. That's part of why the Marquis de Sade thinks I'm Evil Incarnate. That and my genuine love for Mitt Romney and free markets. So most of your commentary above is irrelevant.
Good luck having the federal government run a program like Portugal's. It fucks up everything it touches.
As to Governor Abbott, now who's off topic. I strongly disagree with some of his preferred social policies. Whatever he's doing with voter rolls probably will work to the benefit of Democrats. Because of Trump they're more motivated to do what they need to do to go to the polls, like register to vote. I don't really know what's in the article though. Using your reasoning, because it has nothing to do with drugs, I didn't read it. And I detest Paxton. If I were still able to vote in Texas come November, I'd vote for a Democrat over Paxton, although there would probably be a Libertarian running so I wouldn't have to.
That said, I lived in a Texas county where the majority of the population was Hispanic, that voted overwhelmingly for Republicans, including the Hispanic mayor. And local and state government worked where I lived. We got value for the taxes we paid. My community and state, run by Republicans, spent our money wisely, instead of flushing a large part of it down the toilet like the bozos in Washington.
Where did I write anything about states rights?
Arrh Here:
The solution lies at the state and local level. Communities and states, not the Feds, can change drug laws, and push counseling, rehabilitation and jobs programs for addicts... If drug decriminalization isn't handled by the Febs, and YOU say "the solution lies at the state..." level, then if that's not state's rights, then what is it?
Good luck having the federal government run a program like Portugal's. It fucks up everything it touches. The leftist Feds in Portugal say otherwise, proving once again, societies around the world are generally better ran by center left or left liberals democratic parties.
Face it, the gullible Repubs have essentially turned into muppets. So just like Trump, under Trumps influence, everything they touch...turns to shit! Ergo, can't be TRUSTED!
As to Governor Abbott, now who's off topic. I strongly disagree with some of his preferred social policies. Whatever he's doing with voter rolls probably will work to the benefit of Democrats In case you missed it, Gov. Abbott, is just the latest case of grade A assholes exerting fascist rule, that the Repubs have descended into, trying desperately to hang onto power. The hubris of Gov. Abbott doing anything to benefit Dems, is very comical to say the least. With that kinda help, who needs enemies. (...kkkk!)
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton raids Latino Democrats' homes, including those of LULAC members, Aug 26, 2024. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/texas-attorney-general-ken-paxton-raids-latino-democrats-lulac-homes/
So when did kicking down the doors and harassing American citizens and state residents become social polices. I hate to see his anti-social policies! (...kkkk!)
I wouldn't trust Repubs to judge, grade or be trustworthy enough to implement a 4th Grade finger painting contest. But sure enough Americans will undoubtedly, tell Repubs, just what they think of them come ROEvember.
PS: Keep in mind TEXAS is just a blue state, temporarily posing as a red one, with a thinly cloaked red wrapper with noticeable cracks forming. Maybe just a matter of time before it turns blue!
Elvis 2008
09-04-24, 06:29
Good luck having the federal government run a program like Portugal's. It fucks up everything it touches.
As to Governor Abbott, now who's off topic. I strongly disagree with some of his preferred social policies. Whatever he's doing with voter rolls probably will work to the benefit of Democrats. Because of Trump they're more motivated to do what they need to do to go to the polls, like register to vote. I don't really know what's in the article though. Using your reasoning, because it has nothing to do with drugs, I didn't read it. And I detest Paxton. If I were still able to vote in Texas come November, I'd vote for a Democrat over Paxton, although there would probably be a Libertarian running so I wouldn't have to.
That said, I lived in a Texas county where the majority of the population was Hispanic, that voted overwhelmingly for Republicans, including the Hispanic mayor. And local and state government worked where I lived. We got value for the taxes we paid. My community and state, run by Republicans, spent our money wisely, instead of flushing a large part of it down the toilet like the bozos in Washington.Be careful you are going to show everyone how dumb Tooms and Spidy are. If I hired anyone in Texas at any time in 12 of the last 16 years except for when Trump was president, it did not matter if Texas was red, or the county was Republican, or the city was Republican. It did not matter if I hired the person or the person dud the work and got the training to do the job.
Nope, the ONLY thing that mattered was who was president when I hired them. I did not create a job. Obama and Biden did! Can you believe how dumb these two are?
But yes, Dems are great at creating worthless government jobs. Hell, we saw what happened when Musk took over Twitter and fired 80% of the staff, and nothing changed. In fact, Twitter got better.
If you can fire 80% of Twitter and not see any difference, can you imagine what would happen if Elon Musk took that same approach with the Federal government? He could probably cut 90% of the jobs and we would not notice anything.
But jobs, even jobs that are not necessary and people who screw up their jobs, in Tooms and Spidy's eyes are good. Job creating is good and therefore Democrats are responsible for it.
Excellent, well-written post. The only thing substantive I'd disagree with is Trump's 2nd impeachment. He deserved it, and should have been convicted by the Senate. But yes, the lawsuits and prosecutions in New York were shams. He lost because the cases were tried in Manhattan, and people in Manhattan hate him. The part about societal design and a true perfect utopia is satire, right?
Good you didn't fall for Spidy's request for data and info. He would have just figured out a way to ignore it.
Ahhh YES, that "well written" and rousing unfounded opinion piece, essentially all about, "The opinion that, there are NO FACTS, NO DATA, NO INFO, just opinions and only opinions...", was most definitely a treat of gobbledygook and gish gallop, the likes of which would put some well known ISG conspiracists to shame.
However, to the untrained eye and the uninitiated, the rant, did manage to provided the perfect "hook and bait" invitation, to those who would be gullible enough to follow, RamDavidson 84 down his own fictional "NO Facts, NO DATA...ONLY Opinions" rabbit hole.
And as it so happens, I was watching to see who'd take the bait. Well imagine my surprise, we have a winner! I guess congratulations are in order, Tiny 12?
But now that I think about it, it does rather explain a lot, since you are, overly fond of the "world of political hypotheticals and conjecture"?
And BTW, he may not of fallen, for my so called "okey doke", when I simply asked RamDavidson 84, to provide FACTS/LINKS to substantiate his "opinions", but dare I say, you certainly did fall for his "okey doke" (...kkkk!)
Should be quite the ride, down...enjoy!
When the economy is not top of mind for voters, but instead, women rights, abortion rights and other social issues are supplanted as the #1 issues and policies Americas want to address, it that impending doom for Repubs?
More Voters, Especially Women, Now Say Abortion Is Their Top Issue
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/31/us/elections/abortion-polls-women-trump-harris.html
And:
A louder voice in fighting abortion bans: Men in red states
"More men are speaking out in defense of reproductive rights because of harrowing experiences that wives or partners have suffered when a pregnancy went awry."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/09/03/abortion-bans-pregnancy-miscarriage-men/
For those ISG conspiracists on "Soy Boy" watch, it appears there's been a good crop this year, of "soy" in red states.
Could be contagious, though? So ISG conspiracists, misogynists and He-Men, might wanna consider getting your "Anti-Soy Boy" vaccine shots! Oh right vaccines aren't your thing! (....kkkk!)
Let's hope it does become contagious...all the way to ROEvember!!!
CheckMate1
09-04-24, 16:38
When the economy is not top of mind for voters, but instead, women rights, abortion rights and other social issues are supplanted as the #1 issues and policies Americas want to address, it that impending doom for Repubs?
Let's hope it does become contagious...all the way to ROEvember!!!Infrastructure bill was signed into law Nov. 15,2021. Economy doesn't just turn around on a dime. That's simpleton thinking that a law is somehow how magic and will work overnight. Most social laws take about a year to begin and effect of the law, case in point FL HB 7/ SB 300 was passed April 13,2023. Most economic laws are about 2-3 years before it shows up in real america. So an unforced error on FL to get this right into election of 2024 and a relatively quick turnaround of an economic law passed give you this situation in FL where I still believe can go for the DEMs.
Intentional political timing is something I am not a fan of because it leads to complacency and incompetency, never good for a country.
Be careful you are going to show everyone how dumb Tooms and Spidy are. If I hired anyone in Texas at any time in 12 of the last 16 years except for when Trump was president, it did not matter if Texas was red, or the county was Republican, or the city was Republican. It did not matter if I hired the person or the person dud the work and got the training to do the job.
Nope, the ONLY thing that mattered was who was president when I hired them. I did not create a job. Obama and Biden did! Can you believe how dumb these two are?
But yes, Dems are great at creating worthless government jobs. Hell, we saw what happened when Musk took over Twitter and fired 80% of the staff, and nothing changed. In fact, Twitter got better.
If you can fire 80% of Twitter and not see any difference, can you imagine what would happen if Elon Musk took that same approach with the Federal government? He could probably cut 90% of the jobs and we would not notice anything.
But jobs, even jobs that are not necessary and people who screw up their jobs, in Tooms and Spidy's eyes are good. Job creating is good and therefore Democrats are responsible for it.I wish there were accurate figures for jobs creation vs jobs lost, the unemployment rate in pre-FDR rural America areas and so on. If there were, I have little doubt they would show that Republican presidential economic policies and stewardship have not created 1 net gain job since 1860. Repubs might even be in deep negative job creation territory since the inception of the Party.
The Repub presidents' policies and stewardship results, overall, could not possibly have been any better in the 60 years prior to 1925 than they have been in the 100 years since 1925. How could they be? Why would they be? The one lone Repub "job-creating Star" in history, Calvin Coolidge, wasn't even curious to find out just how desperately poor and jobless the American people were outside of his tuxedo and ball gown-wearing elites in the biggest cities.
Just a passing thought.
I have a friend visiting me in Thailand who told me he thinks this may be the year the cold civil war in the United States of America may turn hot. We will see.
RamDavidson84
09-04-24, 20:53
You make a fair point about not reducing the struggle for equality and comparing the race card, when used inappropriately, and the and word. I can see where you are coming from. I will say this. It's a really dirty move to publicly call some one a racist when it is not deserved and just used to win an argument. Not the same as what I stated before, but it is still a painful traumatic experience which one will never forget. Sorry, I am unfamiliar with McCarthy and Wallace. I know of McCarthyism and the red scare of the 1950's but don't know much of the individual or the exact point you are making.
My thoughts on Trump for the longest time were I would prefer any other Republican candidate, but I strongly supported most of his policy. He had moments of extreme failure to say the least. The Unite the Right rally was a disgrace and I just can't explain how he didn't denounce everything associated with that event sooner. Same thing with Jan. 6. As for his dinner with Fuentes, I believe Kanye West was there as well and it is without a doubt one of the strangest things I have ever heard and I can see where your coming from and your concern is valid. Had Biden even been just half way competent, I would be more inclined to with hold my vote as I did in 2016. Biden was just so bad even after Trump had those moments, I was still going to vote for him because I believed his economic policies would make up for his lack of action in those critical moments of failure I spoke of earlier.
After his assassination attempt and seeing him in that moment stop the secret service and put his fist in the air, I think that really convinced me what he is fighting for. I really think he is on a quest of personal redemption and he wants to leave behind a legacy of success as President. Not just for Republicans, but all Americans. If he does what he says he is going to do, I really think American will be much better off. When I see Trump, I see a guy who had it all. Money, power, women, respect. He had anything he wanted whenever he wanted it and brought to him on a silver platter. The last eight years have been absolute hell for him. It has been scandal after scandal, his family has been slandered and their reputations damaged. Impeached twice and now a convicted felon. He has lost millions and millions of dollars, and yet he is still here eight years later and still fighting. Look, its no secret at this point I support him and I do see him as kind of a anti-hero underdog who is fighting for the right reasons.
As for the QNON and Proud boys and Incels. I just don't see them as significant. Maybe they make up. 01 percent of the Republican Party. I am sure there are a few thousand morons with personality disorders or just plain psychopaths who form those groups. But your always going to have a certain percentage of the population who are extremists no matter what group of people you single out. Just as you don't see "Defund the Police" as being a significant part of the Democratic Party. I could be wrong, I just don't see any of the Republican extreme right in my everyday life. I have never heard of anyone in the real world belonging to any of those groups.
As for the media. My god they are so biased. Fox News isn't biased LOL? CNN? Stephen Colbert? Tucker Carlson? ABC? MSNBC? They are absolutely shamelessly and unapologetically biased to a degree it's comical and frightening at the same time. I challenge you to give me "THREE UNBIASED MAINSTREAM MEDIA SOURCES" That being said, of course science, academia, statistics, and surveys are all absolutely of paramount importance. I am just saying, here in this forum and in everyday water cooler discussions where anyone can pull up what ever study they want to prove the point they are arguing, I trust the opinions of people I respect who over a long period of time have displayed unbiased wisdom and sound judgement. You have to look beyond stats and try to understand the true motives for the politicians. Usually, it is to remain in office and in power. The true motive for the campaign donors. Usually for them, in some way it is to gain the support of politicians who can pass laws or agendas or support social movements which will benefit the campaign donors financially. They you must understand how all these convergent ideas, legislation, and agendas mesh together to form the core of a political party.
Who is donating money and what do they have to gain? Why do certain industries support certain political parties? What groups of people benefit if a particular piece of legislation is passed and who is pushing the agenda? Those are the real questions you have to understand when determining political issues. Analyze stats all day, but you need to think deeper to get the highest level of understanding.
Trust me, I am the furthest thing from a sheep who follows the guy who says shit that just makes me feel good in the moment. Not brainwashed or indoctrinated either LOL.
RealClearPolitics polling site being as demonstrably Winger-leaning as it is, it immediately returned PA to the Trump side of their No Toss Up States EC Votes Map the instant their poll Consensus showed Trump and Harris tied in that battleground state.
But then they had to grudgingly move GA and NV over to the Harris side and now they have Harris with even more EC Votes on that Map without PA.
An interesting tid-bit only for anyone here into polls. Or who used to be:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Now, back to the typically pro-Repub Mainstream Media spin that Harris saw no post-Dem National Convention bounce. Haha.
Elvis 2008
09-05-24, 02:15
When the economy is not top of mind for voters, but instead, women rights, abortion rights and other social issues are supplanted as the #1 issues and policies Americas want to address, it that impending doom for Repubs?
More Voters, Especially Women, Now Say Abortion Is Their Top Issue
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/31/us/elections/abortion-polls-women-trump-harris.html
And:
For those ISG conspiracists on "Soy Boy" watch, it appears there's been a good crop this year, of "soy" in red states.
Could be contagious, though? So ISG conspiracists, misogynists and He-Men, might wanna consider getting your "Anti-Soy Boy" vaccine shots! Oh right vaccines aren't your thing! (....kkkk!)
Let's hope it does become contagious...all the way to ROEvember!!!As for abortion, weren't you part of the same group wanting unvaccinated Americans to be denied treatment if they came down with Covid? Weren't you for discrimination on the case of vaccination status? Gee, if only there were some effective way to prevent women from getting pregnant, so abortion would not be necessary. You ever hear of that Soy Boy? Instead of bending over backwards and grabbing your heels whenever a woman wants something, have you ever heard of telling them to be more responsible? I have never been pegged before, but with you?
It has been hilarious for me to see so many women try to snatch my gal's daughter away from her. There is this unbelievable competition to steal away a good looking, well behaved child and claim it as your own. And then you have these women and this ridiculous competition when it comes to their children. They do not want to deal with the shame of giving up their kids and having someone else raise them better than they can. And then I hear about how much a baby is worth on the black market, and I am like, "Wait a second, what is the REAL issue here?
The REAL issue is women cannot stand being unattractive or out of it for 3 to 4 months. It is not raising a child for 20 years. It is that they cannot deal with the shame of not being able to raise a kid on their own or having to deal with the shame of giving it up. Yeah, it is better to kill the baby than deal with that shame.
With men, being out of it is part of the game. You blow an ACL, tear an Achilles, you live with it until you are better. Abortion then is a cheat code not a life sentence. A women might not look the same after pregnancy but a man might not run the same after an ACL tear. So? That is the price for playing the game.
I am a libertarian. If you want to kill your kid, that is on you not me, but that is not what the argument is about. It is about killing your baby and the government defending you as a good person and telling you that is your right.
And that is why all these older women want abortion to be a right as well. Because when they killed their kids, they want government to say it was a right versus their being vain, disgusting, and selfish. That is why they really care about abortion even when they cannot get pregnant now because of their age.
It just kills me that we have all these immigrants flooding in now and Democrats are saying, "Well, we need the workers" and telling women who are putting down like a million babies a year that it is a right, I. E. They are good people, when they had an abortion. Democrats do not get what fucking hypocrites they are. Unfuckingreal.
We got a lot of Soy Boys like Spidy here who cannot wait to stab their own sex in the back. There is a one to one ratio of black women to white men in jail. But with black men and white women, the ratio is 100:1 so you know where the real racism and sexism in America comes from, and it is not coming from white men.
The enemies of America both foreign and domestic continue to work diligently to interfere with free and fair elections in order to secure Republican election victories:
U.S. accuses Russia of sprawling election interference campaign, seizes dozens of fake sites.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-accuses-russia-election-interference/
US accuses Russia of 2024 election interference.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8rx28v1vpro
I am a libertarian. If you want to kill your kid, that is on you not me, but that is not what the argument is about. It is about killing your baby and the government defending you as a good person and telling you that is your right.Problem is that mother fucking republicans do not give a fuck about a child after it is born. They only want it to get pushed out the mothers vaginal canal. After that happens they walk way. Why is that?
Fist in the air in the land of hypocrisy
It just kills me that we have all these immigrants flooding in nowThey are flooding in because Republicans want cheap labor for their wage slave plantations.
But the problem is that war on drugs enriches the Plutocracy in the United States of America. So, does illegal immigration. The same Republicans that are screaming about the securing the border out the front door are hiring illegal immigrants at the back door.
We got a lot of Soy Boys like Spidy here who cannot wait to stab their own sex in the back.Are you including yourself in this statement. Pussy is Pussy! What have you written about me on that subject? Not feeling a whole lot of love from you my brother.
There is a one to one ratio of black women to white men in jail. But with black men and white women, the ratio is 100:1 so you know where the real racism and sexism in America comes from, and it is not coming from white men.Your statement proves nothing.
WHY?
Of the total state and federal prison population, 8% or 96,370 people are incarcerated in private prisons.
There is no bias. The new plantation owners get paid by the body to warehouse the population on behalf of the state no matter what race or gender. Look to the entire criminal justice system for what ever bias you wish to prove. Those who are incarcerated are at the end of the process. The process truly starts with the individuals enforcing the law on the streets.
Be careful you are going to show everyone how dumb Tooms and Spidy are. If I hired anyone in Texas at any time in 12 of the last 16 years except for when Trump was president, it did not matter if Texas was red, or the county was Republican, or the city was Republican. It did not matter if I hired the person or the person dud the work and got the training to do the job.
Nope, the ONLY thing that mattered was who was president when I hired them. I did not create a job. Obama and Biden did! Can you believe how dumb these two are?
But yes, Dems are great at creating worthless government jobs. Hell, we saw what happened when Musk took over Twitter and fired 80% of the staff, and nothing changed. In fact, Twitter got better.
If you can fire 80% of Twitter and not see any difference, can you imagine what would happen if Elon Musk took that same approach with the Federal government? He could probably cut 90% of the jobs and we would not notice anything.
But jobs, even jobs that are not necessary and people who screw up their jobs, in Tooms and Spidy's eyes are good. Job creating is good and therefore Democrats are responsible for it.ROTFLMAO! Honestly, almost, after reading the bold text.
Remember what Barrack Obama told the American businessman, "You didn't create that job, the government did." He may be a good orator, but he's a sanctimonious prick to his core.
ROTFLMAO! Honestly, almost, after reading the bold text.
Remember what Barrack Obama told the American businessman, "You didn't create that job, the government did." He may be a good orator, but he's a sanctimonious prick to his core.Well, no, I don't remember that. And I suspect nobody else can possibly "remember" it either.
I did a Google Search on the quote, by anyone, but particularly by Barack Obama and nothing associated with Obama came up.
Do you have a link for when and where Barack Obama ever said such a thing to a businessman or to anyone else?
Perhaps you meant these totally accurate statements Barack Obama made about how things actually happen and work in a real world national economy:
"You didn't build that."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_didn%27t_build_that
The sentence "If you've got a business, you didn't build that" was publicized by his political opponents during the 2012 presidential campaign as an attack by Obama on business and entrepreneurs. The Obama campaign responded that the criticisms were taking the phrase out of context, and the word "that" in the phrase was referring to the construction of "roads and bridges" in the previous sentence.
Fact-checking organizations reported that Obama's remarks were incorrectly used out of context to criticize him.Did Obama Say, 'If You've Got a Business, You Didn't Build That'?
SPOILER ALERT: No, he didn't.
https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/did-obama-say-if-youve-got-a-business-you-didnt-build-that
Here's the full context of what he said:
We've already made a trillion dollars' worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that don't work, and make government work more efficientlyWe can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more.
...
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn't -look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something - there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business. you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That's how we funded the GI Bill. That's how we created the middle class. That's how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That's how we invented the Internet. That's how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm running for president - because I still believe in that idea. You're not on your own, we're in this together."He is a good orator and, more important, he led one of the greatest Dem economic recoveries from one of the several Great Repub Economic Disasters of All Time.
Elvis 2008
09-05-24, 09:01
Just a passing thought.It is not a thought Tooms. It is mental masturbation. You are just looking for a Democrats good correlation where one does not exist.
I grew up in union country in the North and in the early 80's. Unemployment was north of 20%. Fast food restaurants had stacks of applications for minimum wage fast food jobs. I went to Texas and there were help wanted signs everywhere. Even now that is the case, and Texas turned from deep blue in the late 70's and early 80's to ruby red.
So what effect did that change of party have? Zilch. Zero. Nada. Nunca. Do you get what I am saying? Texas is a right to work state. You can fire anyone for any reason. In my home state, you can be a horrific union fuckup and keep your job. And because in my home state, you cannot fire anyone, employers are reluctant to hire.
One of the great memes I have seen was why is there is a tax on cigarettes and liquor? The answer is to deter their use. So why is there an income tax then? Yeah, that does a great job of deterring people from working, and Texas does not have an income tax. It is amazing that people want to work more when there is incentive to work.
And for all your talk of "jobs", there is no difference between an employed person doing a shit job versus an unemployed one getting a handout except the employed person can do more harm. As for giving away worthless make work or horrible work jobs, I agree Democrats are better at those handouts. Can you imagine where we would be without the TSA?
The real key, which seems to go over your head, is not whether people have jobs but if they are productive at their jobs.
What did Trump say?
Donald Trump boasted that support for his presidential campaign would not decline even if he shot someone in the middle of a crowded street.
I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldnt lose voters, Trump said at a campaign rally
Trump was a black president we just didn't know it. Mother fucker is straight gangster. Fucking porn stars; Got arrested; Been convicted; Got shot.
You just dont get more gangster than that!
Remember what Barrack Obama told the American businessman, "You didn't create that job, the government did." He may be a good orator, but he's a sanctimonious prick to his core.A republican president did not do this:
NVDA: 108.02 Up 724.5% since I purchased it. NASDQ has taken a beating lately. You people be fucking up the program. Obama did shit right!.
Preach Brother, Preach!Trump is crazy and dangerous for our world and for women with neurons. Only Netanyahou need him, when world just need peace.
Well, no, I don't remember that. And I suspect nobody else can possibly "remember" it either.
I did a Google Search on the quote, by anyone, but particularly by Barack Obama and nothing associated with Obama came up.
Do you have a link for when and where Barack Obama ever said such a thing to a businessman or to anyone else?
Perhaps you meant these totally accurate statements Barack Obama made about how things actually happen and work in a real world national economy:
"You didn't build that."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_didn%27t_build_that
Did Obama Say, 'If You've Got a Business, You Didn't Build That'?
SPOILER ALERT: No, he didn't.
https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/did-obama-say-if-youve-got-a-business-you-didnt-build-that
He is a good orator and, more important, he led one of the greatest Dem economic recoveries from one of the several Great Repub Economic Disasters of All Time.
Excellent catch!
Is this what Tiny 12, has devolved into? Just misplaced opinions, deception, fake quotes and Trumpian "Jedi mind tricks", where we're all just supposed to believe you when you tell us (...kkkk!)
And yet the million and one dumbest things ever, Trump has ushered about the economy, has hardly ever been mentioned, by ISG's finest "Repub economic geniuses".
Yes, it a long way down the "NO FACTS, NO DATA, just OPINIONS and only OPINIONS" rabbit hole.
PS: Judging by all the chatter surrounding job and job creation, the "Repub economic geniuses", are desperately trying to somehow wrap their heads around how to debunk the undeniable, irrefutable, incontrovertible facts regarding the 50:1 million jobs created by Dems, since 1989 and the other 100 years of job creation you brilliantly demonstrated, here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2939183&viewfull=1#post2939183
As Repubs and the Trump/Vance campaign, continue to toss ad hominem after ad hominem, in a childish, juvenile and sophomoric attacks at the Harris/Walz ticket, to see what will stick and weaken their campaign, it's refreshing to see the other Repubs and their campaign, tell them to "...just STOP already and start talking about real policies and issues with Americans!"
But naturally, like a petulant child dictator, looking to use his "weaved genius" (whatever the fuck that is), and assert himself as the "smartest person in the room", nothing Repubs have tried seems to be working. Duh!
Which begs the question (as I was again reminded of this analogy, in a most recent post):
"Is Trump, Lucy and the Republican Party, Charlie Brown?"
For those who knew from the jump, what Trump was all about, have watched and enjoyed the hilarity of it all, as time and time again, they get their hopes up, only to have Trump, dash them away.
While I lampoon their misplaced enthusiasm, the faithless Repubs, right-wing conservative media outlets like FOXY Muse and their relationship to Trump, reminds me of the time-honored iconic scene where Lucy pulls the football, before the affable Charlie Brown, can kick it. That just, NEVER gets old!
But, but, but...this time it's different!:
Every time Repubs and right-wing media thought, "Oh...this time it's different, Trump is finally going to be sooooo presidential, stately and unite the country...etc", Trump would say, tweet or do something so very dumb, divisive, derisive and detrimental, that it would torpedo any goodwill, required unite America or the GOP/Republicans, under a kinder, gentler conservative president.
But inevitably, just like Lucy, time and time again, over and over again, Trump, would yank-away the (proverbial "political presidential") football, from Republicans and dash their last second hopes. Naturally, Trump would AGAIN turn back into the fraudster, racist, charlatan, misogynist, con man and uncontrollable "anti-presidential" man, they so desperately wanted.
Yet strangely enough, just like Charlie Brown, Republicans still appear eager enough, to allow Trump to go on tormenting them, in this agonizing and torturous game of his. Almost makes you think he enjoys torturing the Repubs, like another fictional character, Hanabel Lector (...kkkk!), as we all know, he loves to ramble and drone on about.
But FWIW, I've enjoyed the comedic show, watching the Republican Party, "get egg on their faces", as they proclaim this time is different. But even a win, "this time", it won't stop the "Lucy and Charlie Brown Show" that is Trump vs. Republican Party.
As Repubs and the Trump/Vance campaign, continue to toss ad hominem after ad hominem, in a childish, juvenile and sophomoric attacks at the Harris/Walz ticket, to see what will stick and weaken their campaign, it's refreshing to see the other Repubs and their campaign, tell them to "...just STOP already and start talking about real policies and issues with Americans!"
But naturally, like a petulant child dictator, looking to use his "weaved genius" (whatever the fuck that is), and assert himself as the "smartest person in the room", nothing Repubs have tried seems to be working. Duh!
Which begs the question (as I was again reminded of this analogy, in a most recent post):
"Is Trump, Lucy and the Republican Party, Charlie Brown?"
For those who knew from the jump, what Trump was all about, have watched and enjoyed the hilarity of it all, as time and time again, they get their hopes up, only to have Trump, dash them away.
While I lampoon their misplaced enthusiasm, the faithless Repubs, right-wing conservative media outlets like FOXY Muse and their relationship to Trump, reminds me of the time-honored iconic scene where Lucy pulls the football, before the affable Charlie Brown, can kick it. That just, NEVER gets old!
But, but, but...this time it's different!:
Every time Repubs and right-wing media thought, "Oh...this time it's different, Trump is finally going to be sooooo presidential, stately and unite the country...etc", Trump would say, tweet or do something so very dumb, divisive, derisive and detrimental, that it would torpedo any goodwill, required unite America or the GOP/Republicans, under a kinder, gentler conservative president.
But inevitably, just like Lucy, time and time again, over and over again, Trump, would yank-away the (proverbial "political presidential") football, from Republicans and dash their last second hopes. Naturally, Trump would AGAIN turn back into the fraudster, racist, charlatan, misogynist, con man and uncontrollable "anti-presidential" man, they so desperately wanted.
Yet strangely enough, just like Charlie Brown, Republicans still appear eager enough, to allow Trump to go on tormenting them, in this agonizing and torturous game of his. Almost makes you think he enjoys torturing the Repubs, like another fictional character, Hanabel Lector (...kkkk!), as we all know, he loves to ramble and drone on about.
But FWIW, I've enjoyed the comedic show, watching the Republican Party, "get egg on their faces", as they proclaim this time is different. But even a win, "this time", it won't stop the "Lucy and Charlie Brown Show" that is Trump vs. Republican Party.You're Lucy.
Well, no, I don't remember that. And I suspect nobody else can possibly "remember" it either.
I did a Google Search on the quote, by anyone, but particularly by Barack Obama and nothing associated with Obama came up.
Do you have a link for when and where Barack Obama ever said such a thing to a businessman or to anyone else?
Perhaps you meant these totally accurate statements Barack Obama made about how things actually happen and work in a real world national economy:
"You didn't build that."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_didn%27t_build_that
Did Obama Say, 'If You've Got a Business, You Didn't Build That'?
SPOILER ALERT: No, he didn't.
https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/did-obama-say-if-youve-got-a-business-you-didnt-build-that
He is a good orator and, more important, he led one of the greatest Dem economic recoveries from one of the several Great Repub Economic Disasters of All Time.I sarcastically paraphrased Obama. You and other esteemed board members, who are politically knowledgeable, already knew that. If you really think this is some kind of gotcha moment you underestimate the rest of us.
I agree that state and local government have provided infrastructure to help businesses. And mine have done a very good job of it. Sanctimonious prick Barrack Obama and **** ***** Elizabeth Warren (from your link) want to take the credit. And want to play the class warfare card. And pander to the teachers unions who are big supporters of their party. (Aside, I do have high respect for many public teachers.) Well, the Federal government they represent is inefficient and wasteful. It often hurts more than it helps.
The economy would have rebounded nicely after 2009 if McCain and/or Romney were president. The party of the president has little to no effect on GDP growth. The recovery from the 2008/2009 recession was anemic. And that wasn’t Obama’s fault.
What did Trump say?
Donald Trump boasted that support for his presidential campaign would not decline even if he shot someone in the middle of a crowded street.
I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldnt lose voters, Trump said at a campaign rally
Trump was a black president we just didn't know it. Mother fucker is straight gangster. Fucking porn stars; Got arrested; Been convicted; Got shot.
You just dont get more gangster than that!
A republican president did not do this:This country hasn't had a decent president since Bill Clinton in his 2nd term. Honestly, congrats on your NVIDIA purchase, and I’m glad that position is doing well. I wish I'd recognized what you did about crypto when you did. Obama, Trump and Biden didn't build NVIDIA although I'm sure theyd like you to think so.
It is not a thought Tooms. It is mental masturbation. You are just looking for a Democrats good correlation where one does not exist.
I grew up in union country in the North and in the early 80's. Unemployment was north of 20%. Fast food restaurants had stacks of applications for minimum wage fast food jobs. I went to Texas and there were help wanted signs everywhere. Even now that is the case, and Texas turned from deep blue in the late 70's and early 80's to ruby red.
So what effect did that change of party have? Zilch. Zero. Nada. Nunca. Do you get what I am saying? Texas is a right to work state. You can fire anyone for any reason. In my home state, you can be a horrific union fuckup and keep your job. And because in my home state, you cannot fire anyone, employers are reluctant to hire.
One of the great memes I have seen was why is there is a tax on cigarettes and liquor? The answer is to deter their use. So why is there an income tax then? Yeah, that does a great job of deterring people from working, and Texas does not have an income tax. It is amazing that people want to work more when there is incentive to work.
And for all your talk of "jobs", there is no difference between an employed person doing a shit job versus an unemployed one getting a handout except the employed person can do more harm. As for giving away worthless make work or horrible work jobs, I agree Democrats are better at those handouts. Can you imagine where we would be without the TSA?
The real key, which seems to go over your head, is not whether people have jobs but if they are productive at their jobs.Good post. I especially liked the analogy between excise taxes and the income tax. Biden wants to raise the top capital gains tax to 44% (57% in California), when the revenue maximizing rate is 28%. How much sense does that make? When the tax rate is too high, people just don't sell. The government doesn't collect the revenues from the tax. Capital isn't allocated efficiently. But, as Obama told Charlie Gibson, it's fairer. Everyone ends up worse off but it's fairer.
Maybe your "tough love" approach will help Tooms finally start to see the light.
This is great! https://www.facebook.com/reel/810471574503415.
CheckMate1
09-05-24, 18:14
Outside of politics, in your life, have you met people like this or keep them as friends, or even hold them in high regard?
Personally, I detest this type of people. So for me, he hasn't even met the basic threshold, let alone for me to vote for him.
Leaders do their jobs, not say how great they are ad nauseam. They don't look for excuses and don't have a victim's mentality.
What is your threshold?
The "R" party has gone down a path that enables CHARACTERS like Trump, to devolve into a CULT of personality and voting for people who has no interest in governing and are unserious. Lawmakers who are voted into office who haven't written a single legislation are rewarded with second / multiple terms, who moonlight in other jobs while not doing the primary one.
This is what I see on the Federal level. The party needs to "check yourself before you wreck yourself" I just hope it is not too late.
I sarcastically paraphrased Obama. You and other esteemed board members, who are politically knowledgeable, already knew that. If you really think this is some kind of gotcha moment you underestimate the rest of us.
I agree that state and local government have provided infrastructure to help businesses. And mine have done a very good job of it. Sanctimonious prick Barrack Obama and **** ***** Elizabeth Warren (from your link) want to take the credit. And want to play the class warfare card. And pander to the teachers unions who are big supporters of their party. (Aside, I do have high respect for many public teachers.) Well, the Federal government they represent is inefficient and wasteful. It often hurts more than it helps.
The economy would have rebounded nicely after 2009 if McCain and/or Romney were president. The party of the president has little to no effect on GDP growth. The recovery from the 2008/2009 recession was anemic. And that wasnt Obamas fault.You "sarcastically paraphrased" Obama and then slammed him for something you are now suggesting you know he never said?
Uh. It looks to me like you totally swallowed the Repub LIE about what he said and merely repeated and regurgitated it on the grossly mistaken assumption that he actually said it.
Oh, sure, if not for all those wild coincidences, strokes of incredibly bad and / or good luck, all the magical business and economic cycles, etc, the colossal Crash produced by GW Bush would have recovered just dandy under McCain or Romney.
Oh, what the hell and while we're at it, the GW Bush Crash would have happened if Clinton had served a 3rd term, the Great Repub Depression would have happened if FDR had been elected in 1928, the New Deal Recovery would have happened if Hoover had been elected in 1932, Trump's Pandemic would have happened if Obama had been potus in 2018, defunded and removed those Early Warning Pandemic Prevention teams from those Chinese labs, 9-11 would have happened if Al Gore had been potus in 2001 and blew off that alarming August 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing and just gone back to gazing at icebergs, the historic bi-partisan Infrastructure Bill and the Chips and Science Act would have been passed by Trump if only the Georgia Secretary of State had shockingly discovered 11,780 ballots and votes for Trump in his underwear drawer and on and on and on.
Sure, sure. Every politically knowledgeable person knows that.
This country hasn't had a decent president since Bill Clinton in his 2nd term. Honestly, congrats on your NVIDIA purchase, and Im glad that position is doing well. I wish I'd recognized what you did about crypto when you did. Obama, Trump and Biden didn't build NVIDIA although I'm sure theyd like you to think so.The most powerful thing about crypto is not the amount of money it has made me. It is that I have been able to take a portion of my wealth and opt out of the fiat currency system. The same way that precious metals allow one to do that. Except digitally. It is worldwide and permisionless. That is the power that crypto ownership has given me!
Of course none of the Presidents are responsible for GDP growth or increases of decrease of the stock market. It is the workers on the wage slave plantations that increase production because their overseers are flailing the fuck out of them.. NVDA was started by a guy who used to wash dishes in Dennys. He managed to be upwardly mobile. I have also, just on a lower level.
Presidents need to use tax dollars to build good infrastructure then get out of the way. And they should use a few of them as possible and lower the burden of the tax system on the wage slaves of the country. But has anyone ever asked: if the USA GOV is allowed to print money. And that money is the reserve currency of the world, why do they need to collect taxes in the first place? Why don't they just print the money the want to pay for what they need?
Look, my purchases of stocks are not genius. It is luck. I decided when I was young man I was going to get a piece of the American Pie. The genius part was busting my ass as a wage slave, doing without out and then putting that capital to work. A self taught financial education is what did that. Not the President of the United States of America. The Plutocracy will allow you to have a few crumbs that fall off the table. But they are not interested in inviting you to said table no matter what the political party.
"I'm really smart. "
Outside of politics, in your life, have you met people like this or keep them as friends, or even hold them in high regard?
And "great looking" and a "genius!
All three in one sentence: "Could you imagine having Sleepy Joe Biden, or Alfred E. Newman, or a very nervous and skinny version of Pocahontas (1/1024th), as your President, rather than what you have now, so great looking and smart, a true Stable Genius!
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1149345683138367491?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
I sarcastically paraphrased Obama. You and other esteemed board members, who are politically knowledgeable, already knew that. If you really think this is some kind of gotcha moment you underestimate the rest of us. ...
Oh Please! That's just classic Tiny 12, backpedaling. That's just what you do! For you it's an Olympic event! (...kkkk!)
You have a sordid history of doing just that...backpedaling!
FWIW, my money is on you, as the next, Backpedaling gold medalist.
PS: BTW, that's four (4) good long years of backpedaling in the ISG Forums, to build up those lip muscles, before the next Olympics (...kkkk!)
A republican president did not do this:
NVDA: 108.02 Up 724.5% since I purchased it. NASDQ has taken a beating lately. You people be fucking up the program. Obama did shit right!.
• 100% correct and YES, he did do shit right! (w/r to AI's being an integral part of America's AI successes)
• 100% correct again, a Repub president DID NOT do that!
• 200% correct, WHAT would a "know nothing", "do nothing", "no vision", "backwards looking", Repub president/admin know about 724.5% returns?
As some would like to whitewash, minimize and revise, the accomplishments of President Obama (like they tend to do with Black History), the fact remains, that back in 2016, it was a keen AI enthusiast President Obama (and VP Biden), that did issue two (2) official documents, detailing policy initiatives on promoting Artificial Intelligence (AI), in the US.
It was that forward thinking vision, to heavily promote and back the 2016 AI Initiatives, with the CHIPS and Science Act, and the Inflation Reduction Act, that has gone a long way to supporting, building and keeping America, as the world leaders in the AI tech space. And more importantly, to say ahead of the Chinese, as they started their AI Initiatives in 2017, due to Presidents Obama's 2016 AI Initiatives.
CNA - China's Betting Big On Artificial Intelligence. Could The US Lose The AI Race? | Insight - https://youtu.be/2HUCwsdftMU?t=340
IMHO, President Obama and President Biden, were strategic agents and major catalysts, for the initial and extended growth of AI, in America. That's what having a vision for your country is all about and a competent administration to execute and carry out that vision.
President Obama, Biden and Harris have VISION!
Land based cruise missiles. Green lighted by President Carter.
In promising to proceed with the MX missile and with cruise missiles suitable for use in Europe, President Carter has made clear to Senator Robert C. Byrd that he means I full‐scale deolovment of the weanons.
https://www.nytimes.com/1979/10/27/archives/carter-gives-byrd-vow-on-mx-and-cruise-missiles-reassurance-to-some.html
To counter this, the allies agreed in 1979, as part of a two-track decision, to deploy as a deterrent land-based cruise missiles and Pershing II missiles capable of reaching targets in the Soviet Union. These missiles are to be deployed in several countries of Western Europe. This relatively limited force in no way serves as a substitute for the much larger strategic umbrella spread over our NATO allies. Rather, it provides a vital link between conventional shorter-range nuclear forces in Europe and intercontinental forces in the United States.
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/article/0113keeperfile/
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts.
You "sarcastically paraphrased" Obama and then slammed him for something you are now suggesting you know he never said?
Uh. It looks to me like you totally swallowed the Repub LIE about what he said and merely repeated and regurgitated it on the grossly mistaken assumption that he actually said it.
Oh Please! That's just classic Tiny 12, backpedaling. That's just what you do! For you it's an Olympic event! (...kkkk!)
You have a sordid history of doing just that...backpedaling!
FWIW, my money is on you, as the next, Backpedaling gold medalist.
PS: BTW, that's four (4) good long years of backpedaling in the ISG Forums, to build up those lip muscles, before the next Olympics (...kkkk!)Backpedal my ass. "Remember what Barrack Obama told the American businessman, You didn't create that job, the government did" is a good, succinct summary of the complete quote Tooms provided in the ABC link. Elvis, who I was replying to, probably has no problem with that. Given that you saw it, I owe you an apology though. You don't say bad things about Mohammed to a Moslem, the Pope to a Catholic, or Satan to devil worshippers, even if they're true. You're Democrats and this is a public forum. So belated apologies.
I'm not sure if you really want to know how us nonbelievers feel, so please stop reading now if that's something you'd rather not hear. You've been warned.
Here's an excerpt from a contemporaneous piece in the WSJ about this.
"Speaking in Roanoke, Virginia, Mr. Obama delivered another paean to the virtues of higher taxes on the people he believes deserve to pay even more to the government. "There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans," he observed, and many of them attribute their wealth and success to their own intelligence and hard work. But the self-made man is an illusion: "There are a lot of smart people out there," he explained. "Let me tell you somethingthere are a whole bunch of hard-working people out there.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help," he continued. "There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.".
This burst of ideological candor is already resonating like nothing else Mr. Obama's said in years. The Internet is awash with images of the President telling the Wright Brothers, Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Steve Jobs and other innovators they didn't build that. Kevin Costner's famous line in "Field of Dreams," as adapted for Mr. Obama: "If you build it, we'll still say you didn't really build it.".
Beneath the satire is the serious point that Mr. Obama's homily is the soul of his campaign message. The President who says he wants to be transformational may be succeedingand subordinating to government the individual enterprise and risk-taking that underlies prosperity. The question is whether this is the America that most Americans want to build."
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304388004577533300916053684
Here's the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu2Ni0x4hJ8
The sanctimonious prick's words drip with arrogance, superiority and self righteousness: If you've got a business you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.
https://www.wsj.com/video/american-future-fund-ad-didnt-build-that/1EDF392F-E895-40F3-A1C3-93B9F34480CB
"Dreams are built on hard work, not government."
The most powerful thing about crypto is not the amount of money it has made me. It is that I have been able to take a portion of my wealth and opt out of the fiat currency system. The same way that precious metals allow one to do that. Except digitally. It is worldwide and permisionless. That is the power that crypto ownership has given me!I'm a rube with crypto, but a less sophisticated way of saying that is that it takes money out of the hands of government. That may not be a huge deal for those of us in western countries, yet, but it darn sure is in places like Venezuela.
Outside of politics, in your life, have you met people like this or keep them as friends, or even hold them in high regard?
Personally, I detest this type of people. So for me, he hasn't even met the basic threshold, let alone for me to vote for him.
Leaders do their jobs, not say how great they are ad nauseam. They don't look for excuses and don't have a victim's mentality.
What is your threshold?
The "R" party has gone down a path that enables CHARACTERS like Trump, to devolve into a CULT of personality and voting for people who has no interest in governing and are unserious. Lawmakers who are voted into office who haven't written a single legislation are rewarded with second / multiple terms, who moonlight in other jobs while not doing the primary one.
This is what I see on the Federal level. The party needs to "check yourself before you wreck yourself" I just hope it is not too late.If I'm able to vote, it won't vote for him because of his character. Because I've worked with two people who are like him, and it was a living hell. However, I can understand how intelligent people, like Elvis and some of our other esteemed posters, might after looking at the alternative.
The most powerful thing about crypto is not the amount of money it has made me. It is that I have been able to take a portion of my wealth and opt out of the fiat currency system. The same way that precious metals allow one to do that. Except digitally. It is worldwide and permisionless. That is the power that crypto ownership has given me!
Of course none of the Presidents are responsible for GDP growth or increases of decrease of the stock market. It is the workers on the wage slave plantations that increase production because their overseers are flailing the fuck out of them.. NVDA was started by a guy who used to wash dishes in Dennys. He managed to be upwardly mobile. I have also, just on a lower level.
Presidents need to use tax dollars to build good infrastructure then get out of the way. And they should use a few of them as possible and lower the burden of the tax system on the wage slaves of the country. But has anyone ever asked: if the USA GOV is allowed to print money. And that money is the reserve currency of the world, why do they need to collect taxes in the first place? Why don't they just print the money the want to pay for what they need?
Look, my purchases of stocks are not genius. It is luck. I decided when I was young man I was going to get a piece of the American Pie. The genius part was busting my ass as a wage slave, doing without out and then putting that capital to work. A self taught financial education is what did that. Not the President of the United States of America. The Plutocracy will allow you to have a few crumbs that fall off the table. But they are not interested in inviting you to said table no matter what the political party.You are in some of your points. The United States government does not need to tax for what it spends. Is the sole source of currency and the only thing that limits the amount of currency that can be placed into the system is productive capacity, ie. Natural resources and labor. The federal government is a currency issuer not a currency user. When Congress passes a bill the money is appropriated and then it goes on the balance sheets. When it is taxed back it comes off the balance sheets. Simple as that. Fiat currency is nothing but a system of debits and credits, which is a wonderful thing. The problem is what Congress appropriates money for. The deficit myth by Dr Stephanie Kelton is an excellent read, as is anything by Dr Randall Wray.
CheckMate1
09-06-24, 13:51
Question: "If you win in November, can you commit to prioritizing legislation to make childcare affordable, and if so, what specific piece of legislation would you advance?
Genius:
"Well, I would do that, and we're sitting down, and I was, somebody, we had Senator Marco Rubio, and my daughter Ivanka was so impactful on that issue. It's a very important issue. But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I'm talking about, that, because, look, child care is child care is. It's, couldn't, you know, there's something, you have to have it. In this country you have to have it. But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I'm talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they're not used to — but they'll get used to it very quickly – and it's not going to stop them from doing business with us, but they'll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country. Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we're talking about, including child care, that it's going to take care. We're going to have — I, I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time, coupled with the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country, because I have to stay with child care. I want to stay with child care, but those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that I'm talking about, including growth, but growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just, that I just told you about. We're going to be taking in trillions of dollars, and as much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it's relatively speaking not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers we'll be taking in. We're going to make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people, and then we'll worry about the rest of the world. Let's help other people. But we're going to take care of our country first. This is about America first. It's about Make America Great Again. We have to do it because right now we're a failing nation, so we'll take care of it. ".
His running mate did offer a more substantive answer:
"One of the ways that you might be able to relieve a little bit of pressure on people who are paying so much for daycare is, maybe grandma or grandpa wants to help out a little bit more, or maybe there's an aunt or uncle that wants to help out a little bit more," Vance told host Charlie Kirk.
Question: "If you win in November, can you commit to prioritizing legislation to make childcare affordable, and if so, what specific piece of legislation would you advance?
Genius:
[B]"Well, I would do that, and we're sitting down, and I was, somebody, we had Senator Marco Rubio, and my daughter Ivanka was so impactful on that issue. It's a very important issue. But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I'm talking about, that, because, look, child care is child care is. It's, couldn't, you know, there's something, you have to have it. In this country you have to have it. But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I'm talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they're not used to but they'll get used to it very quickly and it's not going to stop them from doing business with us, but they'll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country..The worst part of that incident was the people in that room, supposedly "business" leaders or some such nonsense, actually applauded that utterly incoherent, total gobbledygook non answer to the question asked of the severely cognitively impaired Donald Trump.
LOL. And that is what typically pro Repub Mainstream Media allows to be passed off as "taking questions" and "sitting for an interview" as long as it is Trump or some other blithering Repub numbskull.
That is not an answer to any question, least of all the question Trump was asked.
If Joe Biden had ever, ever given as blithering blathering nonsensical a response as that to any question at any debate, press conference or interview even I would have demanded he resign from the presidency this very minute and everyone in his circle of staff and acquaintances indicted for reckless endangerment of the American people.
But Biden never has. And neither has Harris.
Trump has. Often.
CheckMate1
09-06-24, 17:56
The worst part of that incident was the people in that room, supposedly "business" leaders or some such nonsense, actually applauded that utterly incoherent, total gobbledygook non answer to the question asked of the severely cognitively impaired Donald Trump.
LOL. And that is what typically pro Repub Mainstream Media allows to be passed off as "taking questions" and "sitting for an interview" as long as it is Trump or some other blithering Repub numbskull.
That is not an answer to any question, least of all the question Trump was asked.
If Joe Biden had ever, ever given as blithering blathering nonsensical a response as that to any question at any debate, press conference or interview even I would have demanded he resign from the presidency this very minute and everyone in his circle of staff and acquaintances indicted for reckless endangerment of the American people.
But Biden never has. And neither has Harris.
Trump has. Often.
I do agree with clapping for nonsense is LOL
A little push back. There are some republicans, who are as you described, mainly (mega donors, ALL MAGA cult members), but I do not lump ever Republicans in this category. I watched the following video in which I found quite interesting on how taking one side or another without being critical when "my side" is wrong, or lumping everything together because explaining nuances is boring (intellectually healthy).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFq7BELzSHE
The video is 25 minutes, first 9 minutes sums up everything about the video, but at 21:17, a question regarding who's the left is then hotly debated and I found it to be very insightful / interesting.
Dick Cheney to vote for Kamala Harris: https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/06/politics/dick-cheney-kamala-harris-president/index.html.
Is this the beginning of the RedWave?
I do agree with clapping for nonsense is LOL
A little push back. There are some republicans, who are as you described, mainly (mega donors, ALL MAGA cult members), but I do not lump ever Republicans in this category. I watched the following video in which I found quite interesting on how taking one side or another without being critical when "my side" is wrong, or lumping everything together because explaining nuances is boring (intellectually healthy).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFq7BELzSHE
The video is 25 minutes, first 9 minutes sums up everything about the video, but at 21:17, a question regarding who's the left is then hotly debated and I found it to be very insightful / interesting.Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans are economically left when looked upon with an international viewpoint. The Republicans scream deregulation in the Democrats counter with mild regulation as opposed to nationalization. If they didn't count her with nationalization perhaps we would end up with proper regulation in the United States and enjoy things like universal health care, four weeks paid vacation, maternity leave, and excellent pensions at a reasonable age. The Democrats have not even pretended to be left leaning since the defeat of Michael Dukakis. Go back and look at FDR's second Bill of Rights speech. That wasn't even considered extremely left at the time as FDR was making proposals to counter the socialist movement in the United States.
"Maybe there's an aunt or uncle that wants to help out a little bit more," Vance told host Charlie Kirk.Yeah, like Donald took care of his nephew's kid.
I do agree with clapping for nonsense is LOL
A little push back. There are some republicans, who are as you described, mainly (mega donors, ALL MAGA cult members), but I do not lump ever Republicans in this category. I watched the following video in which I found quite interesting on how taking one side or another without being critical when "my side" is wrong, or lumping everything together because explaining nuances is boring (intellectually healthy).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFq7BELzSHE
The video is 25 minutes, first 9 minutes sums up everything about the video, but at 21:17, a question regarding who's the left is then hotly debated and I found it to be very insightful / interesting.Yeah, the lady host putting so much weight on the side of some supposedly "left-wing" individual loudmouth streamer on xitter vs the overwhelming majority of elected Democrats is similar to the "Defund the Police" phenomenon. One or two no-name loudmouths with no real legislative power do not represent even the beginning of a political Party movement. Not anything close to one Party voting unanimously in Congress to cut law enforcement budgets or deny necessary increases in law enforcement budgets or its iconic leader demanding his Party to defund and abolish the national police force and the Department of Justice.
In this case I don't understand what the controversy is. Are Wingers claiming the Aurora police are illegal immigrant-loving "lefties" who choose to ignore purported Venezuealan Immigrant-on-Venezuelan Immigrant crime?
And what crimes are the Aurora police ignoring? I heard that Venezuelan Immigrants and the apartment landlord are "saying" they have been threatened by violence. Ok. If the cops are refusing to respond to or investigate those accusations then does that make them "soft on crime lefties" who care too much about Venezuelan gangs or dismissive "anti-immigrant Wingers" who don't give a shit about the safety of those immigrants?
Bullet holes in cars? Yeah, should be investigated. But from where and from whom? Cars move. They don't just stay parked at apartment complexes.
I see a CC video of 4-5 guys walking up the stairs to an apartment door. One is on a cell phone. One is carrying a long gun of some kind. Is that the best evidence of a crime being committed by gangs in that apartment complex? Maybe the Aurora police are not rushing over to that apartment based on that video because it does not show a crime being committed. Colorado is an Open Carry gun state. That video simply does not show a crime being committed in the state of Colorado unless it is showing the long gun to be of an illegal type and I have not heard that it does.
You are in some of your points. The United States government does not need to tax for what it spends. Is the sole source of currency and the only thing that limits the amount of currency that can be placed into the system is productive capacity, ie. Natural resources and labor. The federal government is a currency issuer not a currency user. When Congress passes a bill the money is appropriated and then it goes on the balance sheets. When it is taxed back it comes off the balance sheets. Simple as that. Fiat currency is nothing but a system of debits and credits, which is a wonderful thing. The problem is what Congress appropriates money for. The deficit myth by Dr Stephanie Kelton is an excellent read, as is anything by Dr Randall Wray.First thanks for the first thought provoking post in this thread in a long time.
As I understand it, Modern Monetary Theory, as promoted by Stephanie Kelton and Randall Wray, calls for massive deficit spending and injection of large amounts of base money into the economy by the central bank.
If a country implements MMT, why do you believe it wouldn't end up like Venezuela, Argentina, Zimbabwe and other countries that effectively printed money to pay for government expenditures? That is, why do you believe inflation wouldn't get out of control and the currency wouldn't be massively devalued?
And most importantly, why wouldn't SubComdr move to Monaco and start banging the same Colombianas for $1000 a hour that he's paying $50 an hour for now, with all the coin he'll be making from crypto when the world loses faith in paper currencies?
The standard answer by MMT proponents might be you'll increase taxes to reduce demand, and inflation, but not enough so that you create unemployment. So presumably you keep spending all out on government programs, and drain money from the private sector (from individuals and businesses through taxation) to control inflation.
I don't think that's practically doable. With a few exceptions like Bernie Sanders, politicians aren't willing to raise taxes enough to make that work. And what if they did? You'd crowd out the private sector, which is what grows the economy. That's not to say it wouldn't look good in the early years. Venezuela and Argentina did very well when they were initially goosing the economy. But eventually you pay the piper, and perhaps not only end up with high inflation but high unemployment too.
Undoubtedly Kelton and Wray have addressed this. Your thoughts on why I'm wrong would be interesting.
Backpedal my ass. "Remember what Barrack Obama told the American businessman, You didn't create that job, the government did" is a good, succinct summary of the complete quote Tooms provided in the ABC link. Elvis, who I was replying to, probably has no problem with that. Given that you saw it, I owe you an apology though. You don't say bad things about Mohammed to a Moslem, the Pope to a Catholic, or Satan to devil worshippers, even if they're true. You're Democrats and this is a public forum. So belated apologies.
I'm not sure if you really want to know how us nonbelievers feel, so please stop reading now if that's something you'd rather not hear. You've been warned.
Here's an excerpt from a contemporaneous piece in the WSJ about this.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304388004577533300916053684
Here's the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu2Ni0x4hJ8
The sanctimonious prick's words drip with arrogance, superiority and self righteousness: If you've got a business you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.
https://www.wsj.com/video/american-future-fund-ad-didnt-build-that/1EDF392F-E895-40F3-A1C3-93B9F34480CB
"Dreams are built on hard work, not government."
First things first! Let just say, I know, "backpedaling" or "sarcastically paraphrased" backpedaling, when I see it.
Second, Obama like Trump is a public figure, they are all fair game. If I'm not mistaken, you yourself, had reminded me of this, just recently. In fact knock yourself out with all the sanctimonious prick's superlatives you want. I couldn't careless! Obama's record speaks for itself. Can you say the same about your Loud and Save-ior dumbass, Trump?
BTW, I'm not sure what the hell you're apologizing for. So if that's guilt you're experiencing...take it confession.
Third, the myriad of contemporaneous articles that debunked those false narratives Repubs and Romney were trying to push (in your WSJ article/link), were swift in their response to the political nonsense and spin on Obama's words, taken out of context.
Obama Ad Accuses Romney Of Twisting 'You Didn't Build That' Line
https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2012/07/24/157320717/obama-ad-accuses-romney-of-twisting-you-didnt-build-that-line
"Earlier today Gov. Romney was at it again, knowingly twisting my words around to suggest that I don't value small businesses," he said. "In politics we all tolerate a certain amount of spin. I understand these are the games that get played in political campaigns. But when folks omit entire sentences of what I said, they start splicing and dicing, you may have gone a little over the edge."
Here is my favorite part. Where Obama calls out the "economically backward looking" Repubs, that want to go back to Reaganomics "tickle-down" foolery. It is any wonder Mitt Romney is mercilessly mocked by Trump (and our esteemed MDS1), for losing to Obama (...kkkk!)
In context: Obama's you didn't build that' comment
https://www.politifact.com/article/2012/jul/18/context-obamas-you-didnt-build-comment
"He also blamed Republicans for sticking to their "uncompromising view" that the only path forward is to go back to top down economics that contributed to the poor economy in the first place."
But I get it Tiny 12, it seems you, Elvis 2008 and your other esteemed Rebubs who are very perplexed, and haven't yet come to grips with the fact Repubs aren't the economic "juggernauts" you thought they were. And Repubs, sound more like "juggheads", having created ONLY 1 million jobs in the last 35 years verses 50 million for Dems. Quite the shock, I know!
Feel free and take a moment! I'm confident you'll figure it out!
PS: They use to say the same shit, about Muhammad Ali, until he famously said, It's not bragging if you can back it up!
Elvis 2008
09-07-24, 07:59
You are in some of your points. The United States government does not need to tax for what it spends. Is the sole source of currency and the only thing that limits the amount of currency that can be placed into the system is productive capacity, ie. Natural resources and labor. The federal government is a currency issuer not a currency user. When Congress passes a bill the money is appropriated and then it goes on the balance sheets. When it is taxed back it comes off the balance sheets. Simple as that. Fiat currency is nothing but a system of debits and credits, which is a wonderful thing. The problem is what Congress appropriates money for. The deficit myth by Dr Stephanie Kelton is an excellent read, as is anything by Dr Randall Wray.Thanks, Goatscort for the link. Now I know where the trash of current economic thinking is coming from. I last saw this nonsense with oil and the peak oil nuts. They claimed that the usual law of supply and demand had been interrupted with oil. Oil supply had peaked, and demand was inelastic. Market forces were irrelevant. Hell, we had to go to war to Iraq to steal their oil because the usual law of supply and demand was not working. I even remember Rush Limbaugh asking what was wrong with going to war over oil in what in my eyes was the second dumbest thing he said. The worst was saying he did not want to be seen as a hero when checking into drug rehab. Sigh.
Anyway, what happened is demand from China stunned oil markets and oil producers. The producers were caught off guard and did not have capacity for the excessive demand. The one country thought to have had spare capacity was Saudi Arabia but even they were running at full capacity. What happened is what always happens. The demand for a product spurred innovation and shale oil came on board and production in the USA soared, and oil prices cratered. The Iraqi war then was a complete clusterfuck, a total waste of money and human life.
I guess the lunatic Dr. Kelton would have been okay with this if this pathetic excuse of the Iraqi war were run by a Dem, and Dems seem to forget that HRC and Biden were as gung ho as GW Bush for the Iraq war. Let's also not forget that Obama did Libya and Syria just as badly as GW Bush did Iraq. If not for Trump, the Dems could have gone with being the less warfare party. To be sure an accurate Democratic slogan pre-Trump may have been our war clusterfucks have cost less than Republican ones.
It is funny the one time Donald Trump was most presidential in the lamestream media was when he was lobbing billions of dollars of cruise missiles at Syria, a complete waste of money. Beyond that, Trump tried often in vain to keep defense costs down. He looked at NATO as the gluttonous pig that it is and tried pulling us out of it. The pushback on the the idea of Europe paying for its own defense was Trump not understanding how things worked. Again, I am sure this "doctor" Kelton would argue that NATO spending is worthwhile. And while Biden has not tempered the military industrial complexes insatiable need for money, he has scaled back the human life cost at least on the American side. We are still running deficits blowing shit up but at least now the lives being lost are Ukrainian versus American. That is quite the legacy for the warmonger Biden to leave behind. Gee thanks, Joe.
And keep in mind, "defense" I. E. War is one of if not the biggest part of the federal budget. Some have said defense is getting two or three times what the official amount is. We do not know because the Defense Department will not audit its own books.
And then Trump comes along and he is not owned by the military industrial complex and questions the wisdom of going into debt to blow shit up and have taxpayers foot the bill at the later date. By questioning the value of the MIC, the MIC went on a war path with Trump like we have never seen before. Yes, the QAnon / MAGA fools are so stupid for questioning the wisdom of using tax dollars to blow shit up. How stupid are they? Don't they get the federal government can just print up all the money it wants? It is only after the government wisely spends your money on these stupid fucking wars that you have to pay taxes later.
So again, supply and demand do not matter anymore. You can just print up all the money you want, and the demand will never go down. I used to wonder as a kid why wouldn't the government just print up all this money and give it to we the people so I could buy all the candy I wanted. I think I was ten when I realized why would the candy manufacturer take my money when they could just grab their own. Apparently, "doctor" Kelton does not get what I realized at age 10.
If you print up more money, demand for said money goes down as does its value. The way that manifests itself is with higher interest rates. That is the law of supply and demand and now we have another bonehead with some title behind her name saying there once more there is an exception to supply and demand, and we are seeing its effects. The first consequence of overproduction of money is inflation. The second is the federal reserve to raise interest rates. Third, once the consumer is tapped out from inflation and higher rates, there is a decrease in consumer demand that leads to a recession or depression, https://www.ft.com/content/121ee349-e20b-4f15-a41a-a1a4d7564bb0.
In fact, some are saying we are in recession now, https://mishtalk.com/economics/key-recession-indicator-gives-stronger-recession-signal-in-august/.
And so the peak oil nuts have joined the never mind club, and my prediction is so will the MMT folks. Of course, this took a decade to see the peak oil nuts had no clothes, and it will take time here too. And so we have guys like Spidy telling me that I have been wrong about the coming crash. You just do not get how we can print up $10 trillion and shut down the economy for two years with a virus with a 0. 2% mortality and move on from it unscathed, Elvis. You do not get how brilliant Democratic economists like this "doctor" Kelton are, Elvis. We can print our way to prosperity. Yeah, right.
As F Scott Fitzgerald said, you go broke in two ways, first slowly and then quickly. We are in the slow phase now.
With at least a Million American Deaths from Repub Trump's Pandemic added to Repub Lincoln's Civil War, Repub Eisenhower's Vietnam War, Repub GW Bush's Iraq War, Afghanistan War, etc, I didn't think anyone would want to keep tally of the number of American Deaths due to Repub vs Dem (mostly elective and not forced upon us) policies and stewardship as some bizarre slam on Dem results and outcomes.
But there it is.
If only the number of American jobs created vs LOST due to Repub presidents' policies and stewardship remotely matched the impressive number of American Deaths due to those Repub presidents' policies and stewardship, you might have something on your side worth arguing.
All as the result of a remarkable, some would say impossible, series of wild coincidences, magical economic cycles, bad luck for Repub potuses vs good luck for Dem potuses, that rumored witch's curse and all that over the past 170+ years, of course.
Here is another non spurious Mainstream Media report that has been largely ignored since we and they knew about it more than four critical years and now 3 critical election seasons ago:
Under Fire For Coronavirus Response, Trump Officials Defend Disbanding Pandemic Team.
March 18, 2020
https://time.com/5806558/administration-officials-fight-criticism/That's a real stretch Tooms. You're blaming a pandemic that started in a Chinese city on Trump. The Vietnam war on Ike, when only ten servicemen died there on his watch. And considering Abraham Lincoln and his Democratic counterparts during that era emblematic of the modern day parties. And what do pandemic deaths, or deaths from cancer and heart disease for that matter, have to do with warmongering Democratic presidents anyway? Please stay on topic.
Lincoln is the most interesting. Democrats, except you, believe Lincoln would be a member of their party if he were alive today.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/lincoln-would-be-a-democrat-390846/
https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/if-lincoln-were-alive-hed-be-a-democrat
https://lithub.com/president-lincolns-republican-party-was-the-original-party-of-big-government/
Congrats for thinking out of the box on that one. It takes some balls to say slavery wasn't worth fighting over. If you're going that far back, I guess you must also must think highly of these fine men, mostly Democrats:
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/kkk-cross
And Jim Crow laws, suppressing the black vote and racism practiced by Democrats up until the 1960's must go hand in hand with good economic policy.
The preceding is satirical Tooms, as you should well know. I honestly do not believe you have a racist bone in your body.
However, you must play by the rules. You ignored my explanations of why your correlations between modern day economic performance and the party of the president are spurious. So now I shall ignore your criticisms of my spurious correlation between the Democrat presidents and American military deaths.
This gentleman has it approximately correct, 626,761 soldiers killed under Democrat presidents and 26,895 killed under Republican presidents.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/letters/2016/03/15/which-party-responsible-most-war-casualties/81845842/
He should have allocated 10 more military deaths during Vietnam to Ike and maybe another 5,000 to 10,000 to him during the first year of his presidency when the Korean war was winding down. And we should update his figures to include deaths under Trump and Biden. (Kudos to Biden by the way for taking us out of Afghanistan.) Anyway you end up with almost 20X more military deaths under Democratic Presidents than Republican Presidents during the 20th and 21st centuries.
And all that is mostly the luck of the draw. I'm not seriously going down your road and proclaiming the Democratic Party as the Party of War. The USA probably would have been drawn into World War II under a Republican president. And USA Employment and GDP damn sure would have plummeted under a president Hillary Clinton in 2020.
...And keep in mind, "defense" I. E. War is one of if not the biggest part of the federal budget. Some have said defense is getting two or three times what the official amount is. We do not know because the Defense Department will not audit its own books...Elvis, The USA federal government is not always a force for good. I wonder if MMT's biggest fans in the political arena, like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, have thought about what the effect would be if the American defense establishment had an endless supply of dollars. I don't believe that would last though. The Argentine military wasn't so fearsome during the Falklands conflict, after many years of ineptitude by its central bank and politicians.
It's possible that Kelton and Wray have some bells and whistles that would prevent the USA from going the way of other countries that fired up the printing press. I've got Kelton's book on my Kindle but have been too lazy to read it.
CheckMate1
09-07-24, 17:51
Yeah, the lady host putting so much weight on the side of some supposedly "left-wing" individual loudmouth streamer on xitter vs the overwhelming majority of elected Democrats is similar to the "Defund the Police" phenomenon. One or two no-name loudmouths with no real legislative power do not represent even the beginning of a political Party movement. Not anything close to one Party voting unanimously in Congress to cut law enforcement budgets or deny necessary increases in law enforcement budgets or its iconic leader demanding his Party to defund and abolish the national police force and the Department of Justice.
In this case I don't understand what the controversy is. Are Wingers claiming the Aurora police are illegal immigrant-loving "lefties" who choose to ignore purported Venezuealan Immigrant-on-Venezuelan Immigrant crime?
And what crimes are the Aurora police ignoring? I heard that Venezuelan Immigrants and the apartment landlord are "saying" they have been threatened by violence. Ok. If the cops are refusing to respond to or investigate those accusations then does that make them "soft on crime lefties" who care too much about Venezuelan gangs or dismissive "anti-immigrant Wingers" who don't give a shit about the safety of those immigrants?
Bullet holes in cars? Yeah, should be investigated. But from where and from whom? Cars move. They don't just stay parked at apartment complexes.
I see a CC video of 4-5 guys walking up the stairs to an apartment door. One is on a cell phone. One is carrying a long gun of some kind. Is that the best evidence of a crime being committed by gangs in that apartment complex? Maybe the Aurora police are not rushing over to that apartment based on that video because it does not show a crime being committed. Colorado is an Open Carry gun state. That video simply does not show a crime being committed in the state of Colorado unless it is showing the long gun to be of an illegal type and I have not heard that it does.
This is not Aurora specific. Let me opine on this one aspect of life that left / right discord isn't in play, and it is really shitty. Police are dispositioned and prioritized to protect / serve wealthier neighborhoods first. It is unfortunate in every aspect, and backward as if crimes won't bleed into the wealthy neighborhoods. It takes signifigantly more effort and resources to fight on the front line, so the police will choose to prioritize protecting the outer perimeter.
In this case of Aurora, from the report by the local news, it sounds to me a lot like the early 80's inner city where police / mayors, not ignoring, but say let them "solve" their own problems. Are their gangs, yes. Are they terrorizing Aurora? No, they're terrorizing this building, or blocks, or even a section of town. But if you're like this mayor blaming the border, then he's not doing his job. Mayor takes care of their city, full stop. Governor takes care of his border, instead of sweeping it under the rug. If the mayor asked for help from state, then it is on the Governor. If the mayor didn't ask for help, then it's on him. Easily resolved by looking at correspondence to see who's at fault.
Elvis, The USA federal government is not always a force for good. I wonder if MMT's biggest fans in the political arena, like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, have thought about what the effect would be if the American defense establishment had an endless supply of dollars. I don't believe that would last though. The Argentine military wasn't so fearsome during the Falklands conflict, after many years of ineptitude by its central bank and politicians.
It's possible that Kelton and Wray have some bells and whistles that would prevent the USA from going the way of other countries that fired up the printing press. I've got Kelton's book on my Kindle but have been too lazy to read it.I'll answer your earlier post tomorrow. MMT does not advocate for an endless source of dollars, not by any means. And MMT advocate for those dollars to be directed towards achieving full employment. I will also explain why the US is not venezuela, zimbabwe, or the Weimar Republic in exactly why those countries experienced hyperinflation.
As for abortion, weren't you part of the same group wanting unvaccinated Americans to be denied treatment if they came down with Covid? Weren't you for discrimination on the case of vaccination status? Gee, if only there were some effective way to prevent women from getting pregnant, so abortion would not be necessary. You ever hear of that Soy Boy? Instead of bending over backwards and grabbing your heels whenever a woman wants something, have you ever heard of telling them to be more responsible? I have never been pegged before, but with you?
It has been hilarious for me to see so many women try to snatch my gal's daughter away from her. There is this unbelievable competition to steal away a good looking, well behaved child and claim it as your own. And then you have these women and this ridiculous competition when it comes to their children. They do not want to deal with the shame of giving up their kids and having someone else raise them better than they can. And then I hear about how much a baby is worth on the black market, and I am like, "Wait a second, what is the REAL issue here?
The REAL issue is women cannot stand being unattractive or out of it for 3 to 4 months. It is not raising a child for 20 years. It is that they cannot deal with the shame of not being able to raise a kid on their own or having to deal with the shame of giving it up. Yeah, it is better to kill the baby than deal with that shame.
I am a libertarian. If you want to kill your kid, that is on you not me, but that is not what the argument is about. It is about killing your baby and the government defending you as a good person and telling you that is your right. ...
Here you go, Elvis 2008, I bring to you a nice heaped serving of "gish gallop". Since I think, both you and Trump (your felony "Loud and Save-ior Dumbass"), hail from the same "gish gallop", school of answering questions, I'll put it to Trump to provide you answers in a language you can understand.
Again, since you both speak, in the same tongues, perhaps its best to let Trump answer your childcare questions, in the manner you asked/posted.
Now, the question was about "legislation to make childcare affordable" (BTW, finally an intelligent question being asked of him), and I know Trump opened his mouth and words came out, giving what appears to provide an answer, the likes of which I can only summarize as gish gallop "code", for those that speak the language.
So Elvis 2008, here is that gish gallop, when asked the question, "If you win in November, can you commit to prioritizing legislation to make childcare affordable, and if so, what specific piece of legislation would you advance?"
Trump:
"Well, I would do that, and we're sitting down, and I was, somebody, we had Senator Marco Rubio, and my daughter Ivanka was so impactful on that issue. It's a very important issue. But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I'm talking about, that, because, look, child care is child care is. It's, couldn't, you know, there's something, you have to have it. In this country you have to have it. But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I'm talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they're not used to but they'll get used to it very quickly and it's not going to stop them from doing business with us, but they'll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country. Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we're talking about, including child care, that it's going to take care. We're going to have I, I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time, coupled with the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country, because I have to stay with child care. I want to stay with child care, but those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that I'm talking about, including growth, but growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just, that I just told you about. We're going to be taking in trillions of dollars, and as much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it's relatively speaking not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers we'll be taking in. We're going to make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people, and then we'll worry about the rest of the world. Let's help other people. But we're going to take care of our country first. This is about America first. It's about Make America Great Again. We have to do it because right now we're a failing nation, so we'll take care of it."
Thanks to CheckMate1, for his post on the passage, here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2942839&viewfull=1#post2942839
Speaking of childcare issues, with the sad and unfortunate passing (hearts and prayers to the families) of the fallen and injured, in the latest AR-15 rifle school shooting massacre in Georgia, it was a unanimous and united declaration, to just "Get Over It!, from the Trump/Vance campaign ticket, to American families embroiled in such trauma.
I bet that sounds like a good policy, for fellow kindred misogynists, such as they are?
So, Elvis 2008, hope that answers your many questions on the subject of Childcare policies, you know the ones that also matter after child birth. As it seems the Trump/Vance ticket, can only offer up a good size serving of gish gallop and "Get Over it", when it comes the the welfare of your children, after birth.
PS: BTW, I'm asking on the off chance, could you please provide a translation of Trump's gish gallop, for the rest of us?
Or should we just add the "bouncing ball" subtitles translation, at the bottom of the screen (...kkkk), during this Tues Sept 10th, 2024 Presidential debates?
Thanks, Goatscort for the link. Now I know where the trash of current economic thinking is coming from. I last saw this nonsense with oil and the peak oil nuts. They claimed that the usual law of supply and demand had been interrupted with oil. Oil supply had peaked, and demand was inelastic. Market forces were irrelevant. Hell, we had to go to war to Iraq to steal their oil because the usual law of supply and demand was not working. I even remember Rush Limbaugh asking what was wrong with going to war over oil in what in my eyes was the second dumbest thing he said. The worst was saying he did not want to be seen as a hero when checking into drug rehab. Sigh.
Anyway, what happened is demand from China stunned oil markets and oil producers. The producers were caught off guard and did not have capacity for the excessive demand. The one country thought to have had spare capacity was Saudi Arabia but even they were running at full capacity. What happened is what always happens. The demand for a product spurred innovation and shale oil came on board and production in the USA soared, and oil prices cratered. The Iraqi war then was a complete clusterfuck, a total waste of money and human life.
I guess the lunatic Dr. Kelton would have been okay with this if this pathetic excuse of the Iraqi war were run by a Dem, and Dems seem to forget that HRC and Biden were as gung ho as GW Bush for the Iraq war. Let's also not forget that Obama did Libya and Syria just as badly as GW Bush did Iraq. If not for Trump, the Dems could have gone with being the less warfare party. To be sure an accurate Democratic slogan pre-Trump may have been our war clusterfucks have cost less than Republican ones.
It is funny the one time Donald Trump was most presidential in the lamestream media was when he was lobbing billions of dollars of cruise missiles at Syria, a complete waste of money. Beyond that, Trump tried often in vain to keep defense costs down. He looked at NATO as the gluttonous pig that it is and tried pulling us out of it. The pushback on the the idea of Europe paying for its own defense was Trump not understanding how things worked. Again, I am sure this "doctor" Kelton would argue that NATO spending is worthwhile. And while Biden has not tempered the military industrial complexes insatiable need for money, he has scaled back the human life cost at least on the American side. We are still running deficits blowing shit up but at least now the lives being lost are Ukrainian versus American. That is quite the legacy for the warmonger Biden to leave behind. Gee thanks, Joe.
And keep in mind, "defense" I. E. War is one of if not the biggest part of the federal budget. Some have said defense is getting two or three times what the official amount is. We do not know because the Defense Department will not audit its own books.
And then Trump comes along and he is not owned by the military industrial complex and questions the wisdom of going into debt to blow shit up and have taxpayers foot the bill at the later date. By questioning the value of the MIC, the MIC went on a war path with Trump like we have never seen before. Yes, the QAnon / MAGA fools are so stupid for questioning the wisdom of using tax dollars to blow shit up. How stupid are they? Don't they get the federal government can just print up all the money it wants? It is only after the government wisely spends your money on these stupid fucking wars that you have to pay taxes later.
So again, supply and demand do not matter anymore. You can just print up all the money you want, and the demand will never go down. I used to wonder as a kid why wouldn't the government just print up all this money and give it to we the people so I could buy all the candy I wanted. I think I was ten when I realized why would the candy manufacturer take my money when they could just grab their own. Apparently, "doctor" Kelton does not get what I realized at age 10.
If you print up more money, demand for said money goes down as does its value. The way that manifests itself is with higher interest rates. That is the law of supply and demand and now we have another bonehead with some title behind her name saying there once more there is an exception to supply and demand, and we are seeing its effects. The first consequence of overproduction of money is inflation. The second is the federal reserve to raise interest rates. Third, once the consumer is tapped out from inflation and higher rates, there is a decrease in consumer demand that leads to a recession or depression, https://www.ft.com/content/121ee349-e20b-4f15-a41a-a1a4d7564bb0.
In fact, some are saying we are in recession now, https://mishtalk.com/economics/key-recession-indicator-gives-stronger-recession-signal-in-august/.
And so the peak oil nuts have joined the never mind club, and my prediction is so will the MMT folks. Of course, this took a decade to see the peak oil nuts had no clothes, and it will take time here too. And so we have guys like Spidy telling me that I have been wrong about the coming crash. You just do not get how we can print up $10 trillion and shut down the economy for two years with a virus with a 0. 2% mortality and move on from it unscathed, Elvis. You do not get how brilliant Democratic economists like this "doctor" Kelton are, Elvis. We can print our way to prosperity. Yeah, right.
As F Scott Fitzgerald said, you go broke in two ways, first slowly and then quickly. We are in the slow phase now.One of your points is correct and any mmt economist would agree with you. You cannot inject currency into the system if supply cannot keep up. Which is exactly what happened during covid. But of course now that supply has caught up, well except for companies who are artificially keeping their supplies low in order to drive prices higher, inflation should be coming down, but it's not simply because of corporate greed. Doesn't help that so many sectors in the United States are controlled by a few corporate giants, but that's the end result of corporate capitalism.
If you put more money into a system and that money is directed at employment in the production of more goods, you do not have inflation. You are forgetting the key element of inflation and that is scarcity. You mentioned wanting demand to go down? Why in the world would you want that? Do you want demand to increase and supply to increase.
Another tenant of mmt is keeping interest rates at their natural level which is zero. Additionally there is absolutely no need for the government to sell bonds if it doesn't want to.
The government doesn't spend your money. It never does. Well your state and local governments do because they are not currency issuers, their currency users. When Congress passes a bill that money is appropriated and it goes on the balance sheets, and when it is taxed back it comes off the balance sheets, it doesn't go into a pot to get spent again. That's a myth.
Stupid wars? I'm amazed at how dovish the right wing has become in the past few years. Perfectly willing to cede Ukraine to Russia and then open up the baltics for Putin's advances and probably allow Xi to take Taiwan at his whim.
Donald Trump weakened alliances the United States has had for decades and emboldened dictators such as Putin and Xi. Of course Putin waited until after the election to invade because if the Donald would have been elected he would have been able to waltz right in and take what he wanted. The era of the United States is sole hegemon saw fewer war deaths than we've seen in many decades. Unfortunately that era is over and we will be seeing more and more proxy wars fought. Let's hope the United States maintains its strength as the strongest military in the world.
Elvis, The USA federal government is not always a force for good. I wonder if MMT's biggest fans in the political arena, like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, have thought about what the effect would be if the American defense establishment had an endless supply of dollars. I don't believe that would last though. The Argentine military wasn't so fearsome during the Falklands conflict, after many years of ineptitude by its central bank and politicians.
It's possible that Kelton and Wray have some bells and whistles that would prevent the USA from going the way of other countries that fired up the printing press. I've got Kelton's book on my Kindle but have been too lazy to read it.And again mmt does not advocate for an endless source of dollars. That is a myth. And speaking of you really should read the deficit myth. The problems we have in the United States are a result of poor fiscal policy.
First thanks for the first thought provoking post in this thread in a long time.
As I understand it, Modern Monetary Theory, as promoted by Stephanie Kelton and Randall Wray, calls for massive deficit spending and injection of large amounts of base money into the economy by the central bank.
If a country implements MMT, why do you believe it wouldn't end up like Venezuela, Argentina, Zimbabwe and other countries that effectively printed money to pay for government expenditures? That is, why do you believe inflation wouldn't get out of control and the currency wouldn't be massively devalued?
And most importantly, why wouldn't SubComdr move to Monaco and start banging the same Colombianas for $1000 a hour that he's paying $50 an hour for now, with all the coin he'll be making from crypto when the world loses faith in paper currencies?
The standard answer by MMT proponents might be you'll increase taxes to reduce demand, and inflation, but not enough so that you create unemployment. So presumably you keep spending all out on government programs, and drain money from the private sector (from individuals and businesses through taxation) to control inflation.
I don't think that's practically doable. With a few exceptions like Bernie Sanders, politicians aren't willing to raise taxes enough to make that work. And what if they did? You'd crowd out the private sector, which is what grows the economy. That's not to say it wouldn't look good in the early years. Venezuela and Argentina did very well when they were initially goosing the economy. But eventually you pay the piper, and perhaps not only end up with high inflation but high unemployment too.
Undoubtedly Kelton and Wray have addressed this. Your thoughts on why I'm wrong would be interesting.A couple of my favorites on hreat moments in hyperinflation are attached.
When it comes to the United States it is a country with boundless natural resources, a growing demographic, geographic isolation, and a blue water Navy that is able to project power around the world. Not only is it very well sorted for the era of deglobalization we are already in, but it's productive capacity and potential is great.
One of the points mmt economists make is that if the government is not running a deficit that burden will be placed on the private sector. The government can run deficits, the private sector cannot. I think the main point I want to make is that spending needs to be directed towards full employment which helps drive demand. We've already seen the failure of supply side economics. As I stated in the post below, the main problem is the fiscal.
The problems we have in the United States are a result of poor fiscal policy.One of the beauties of crypto. Allows one to opt out of the fiat money ponzi scheme. Just like buying gold or silver except better because it is digital. The candidate that supports crypto get my vote!.
That's a real stretch Tooms. You're blaming a pandemic that started in a Chinese city on Trump. The Vietnam war on Ike, when only ten servicemen died there on his watch. And considering Abraham Lincoln and his Democratic counterparts during that era emblematic of the modern day parties. And what do pandemic deaths, or deaths from cancer and heart disease for that matter, have to do with warmongering Democratic presidents anyway? Please stay on topic.
Lincoln is the most interesting. Democrats, except you, believe Lincoln would be a member of their party if he were alive today.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/lincoln-would-be-a-democrat-390846/
https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/if-lincoln-were-alive-hed-be-a-democrat
https://lithub.com/president-lincolns-republican-party-was-the-original-party-of-big-government/
Congrats for thinking out of the box on that one. It takes some balls to say slavery wasn't worth fighting over. If you're going that far back, I guess you must also must think highly of these fine men, mostly Democrats:
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/kkk-cross
And Jim Crow laws, suppressing the black vote and racism practiced by Democrats up until the 1960's must go hand in hand with good economic policy.
The preceding is satirical Tooms, as you should well know. I honestly do not believe you have a racist bone in your body.
However, you must play by the rules. You ignored my explanations of why your correlations between modern day economic performance and the party of the president are spurious. So now I shall ignore your criticisms of my spurious correlation between the Democrat presidents and American military deaths.
This gentleman has it approximately correct, 626,761 soldiers killed under Democrat presidents and 26,895 killed under Republican presidents.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/letters/2016/03/15/which-party-responsible-most-war-casualties/81845842/
He should have allocated 10 more military deaths during Vietnam to Ike and maybe another 5,000 to 10,000 to him during the first year of his presidency when the Korean war was winding down. And we should update his figures to include deaths under Trump and Biden. (Kudos to Biden by the way for taking us out of Afghanistan.) Anyway you end up with almost 20X more military deaths under Democratic Presidents than Republican Presidents during the 20th and 21st centuries.
And all that is mostly the luck of the draw. I'm not seriously going down your road and proclaiming the Democratic Party as the Party of War. The USA probably would have been drawn into World War II under a Republican president. And USA Employment and GDP damn sure would have plummeted under a president Hillary Clinton in 2020.Slavery not worth fighting for? Of course it was. But your boy Trump, the man your "wasted" vote on a nobody third party candidate is meant to help get elected has assured us he could have negotiated that "economic" dispute into peaceful resolution. You know, like his negotiation of a peaceful transference of power in the presidential election.
Not possible? Then you seem to be loosening your grip on the notion that wars that happened on Dem presidents' watch were somehow their fault and over issues "not worth fighting for. " Or is that softening notion only reserved for Repub presidents like Lincoln or Ike who fully committed America in word, deed and treaty to fighting the war in Vietnam even though he got out of Dodge City just before the real shit came down on it?
LOL. I wonder how many credible news organization reports of Trump's incomparable and disastrous decisions in 2018,2019 and all through 2020 with regard to leaving the world bare-ass naked to preventing or at least quickly and effectively responding to the earliest COVID cases being precisely why there was a Trump's Pandemic at all rather than a likely manageable epidemic confined to one region in China until better vaccines could be created and distributed around the world it will take to loosen the grip on the most virulent Trump supporters and apologists that his Trump's Pandemic was not predicted by anyone, nobody knew it could happen, be prevented or be prepared for and that it just happened "out of the blue"?
Apparently many, many more.
Is this the beginning of the RedWave?Alan Lichtman, a historian with a stellar record picks Harris. He's left leaning but picked Trump in 2016 and other Republicans in the past.
Alan Lichtman, a historian with a stellar record picks Harris. He's left leaning but picked Trump in 2016 and other Republicans in the past.Yes, with 6 or more "False / Red" turns on those 13 Keys to the White House where the Party in the White House is predicted to lose, he has judged Harris to only have 3 real "False / Red" Keys and 1 semi or leaning "False / Red" Key. Which means the Keys say she will be elected President this November.
However, there is no Key to account for a possible STEAL of the election and putting the wrong person in the White House.
That has happened 3 times since 1860, as far back as the Keys could be applied; Twice in the 19th Century and in the 2000 election. In all three cases the result was skewed by some variation of race related Reconstruction Era / Civil Rights, voter Suppression or ballot denial violations.
Which there is no doubt the Repub Party has been trying to rig into the election process and system for decades.
Therefore, if, for example, Trump's MAGA state representatives refuse to certify the votes in battleground states where Harris won by a clear majority or merely question every insignificant detail in order to wreak havoc and create chaos, it can wind up before the Loony Repub MAGA 6 on the Supreme Court who WILL rule in favor of ChristoFascist Mike taking a Repub House of Representatives vote on who should be appointed president and, guess what, we will have another (minimum) 4 year shot at Trump's Pandemic 2 with all the closures and tariff inflation and skyrocketing prices that go with it.
And a Putin / Russia regime throughout Eastern Europe on its way to Western Europe while "Make sure I win" China gets the USA.
In which case, we could hardly claim Lichtman's Keys did not accurately predict the true winner in 2024.
One of the beauties of crypto. Allows one to opt out of the fiat money ponzi scheme. Just like buying gold or silver except better because it is digital. The candidate that supports crypto get my vote!.It's a great investment. It'll never be widely accepted as a currency.
It's a great investment. It'll never be widely accepted as a currency.With all due respect, who gives a fuck what you think the adoption of BTC is going to be worldwide? El Salvador already accepts it. The Central African Republic was going to until the International Monetary mother fuckers and the World Bitches pulled a straight gangster move and threaten them. The Establishment dem mother fuckers be runnin scared brother!
It doesn't need to be accepted widely as currency. Gold and Silver are not longer accepted widely as a form of currency. Does not reduce its value. Besides mining asteroids might make gold like sand at the beach for all I know.
All over the world BTC is growing in adoption. No government can stop it. BTC is a store of value. And it is permission less. Try to send your USD sitting in a bank anywhere in the world without permission. You and many others do not understand that power. You and many others do not understand the DeFi infrastructure being built to serve the financial needs of crypto holders.
Crypto is going forward with or without the help of the United State of America. Ask China if a government can stop BTC?.
Holding USD is a bad investment. All the smart money puts USD into other assets in order to preserve value. The Plutocracy in the United States of America has had a monopoly on financial affairs for far too long. Crypto is the tool that breaks that. Anyone with an internet connection and smart phone can buy crypto in 10 minutes. And I can show them how they can use that crypto to become their own bank. There is no reason for anyone to use a credit card ever again. By cooperating with fellow crypto holders to cut out the middle man. You can save, loan and borrow among peers in a pool backed up with over collateralization. Not the fucked up fractional reserve system that powers fiat currency around the world.
Write off crypto at your own risk my man Same for the United States of America. And all the dumb ass politicians that do not recognize its value. Blackrock owns mother fucking BTC! The revolution is going on right now. And it is not being televised.
One of the beauties of crypto. Allows one to opt out of the fiat money ponzi scheme. Just like buying gold or silver except better because it is digital. The candidate that supports crypto get my vote!.See attached meme. It's spot on.
Slavery not worth fighting for? Of course it was. But your boy Trump, the man your "wasted" vote on a nobody third party candidate is meant to help get elected has assured us he could have negotiated that "economic" dispute into peaceful resolution. You know, like his negotiation of a peaceful transference of power in the presidential election.
Not possible? Then you seem to be loosening your grip on the notion that wars that happened on Dem presidents' watch were somehow their fault and over issues "not worth fighting for. " Or is that softening notion only reserved for Repub presidents like Lincoln or Ike who fully committed America in word, deed and treaty to fighting the war in Vietnam even though he got out of Dodge City just before the real shit came down on it?
LOL. I wonder how many credible news organization reports of Trump's incomparable and disastrous decisions in 2018,2019 and all through 2020 with regard to leaving the world bare-ass naked to preventing or at least quickly and effectively responding to the earliest COVID cases being precisely why there was a Trump's Pandemic at all rather than a likely manageable epidemic confined to one region in China until better vaccines could be created and distributed around the world it will take to loosen the grip on the most virulent Trump supporters and apologists that his Trump's Pandemic was not predicted by anyone, nobody knew it could happen, be prevented or be prepared for and that it just happened "out of the blue"?
Apparently many, many more.I don't believe Democrats are bigger warmongers than Republicans. My views are much closer to Progressives than, say, Lyndsey Graham's. That was a satirical post to highlight a spurious correlation.
As to the "Trump Pandemic," maybe we better throw in the towel, because you're not going to change my mind and vice versa.
Which there is no doubt the Repub Party has been trying to rig into the election process and system for decades.
Therefore, if, for example, Trump's MAGA state representatives refuse to certify the votes in battleground states where Harris won by a clear majority or merely question every insignificant detail in order to wreak havoc and create chaos, it can wind up before the Loony Repub MAGA 6 on the Supreme Court who WILL rule in favor of ChristoFascist Mike taking a Repub House of Representatives vote on who should be appointed president and, guess what, we will have another (minimum) 4 year shot at Trump's Pandemic 2 with all the closures and tariff inflation and skyrocketing prices that go with it.
And a Putin / Russia regime throughout Eastern Europe on its way to Western Europe while "Make sure I win" China gets the USA.
In which case, we could hardly claim Lichtman's Keys did not accurately predict the true winner in 2024.You're starting to sound like the MAGA crowd. American institutions would prevent Trump or anyone else from stealing a presidential election. Harris will probably win but Lichtman's no more clairvoyant than you or me. He was wrong about the popular vote in 2016.
With all due respect, who gives a fuck what you think the adoption of BTC is going to be worldwide? El Salvador already accepts it. The Central African Republic was going to until the International Monetary mother fuckers and the World Bitches pulled a straight gangster move and threaten them. The Establishment dem mother fuckers be runnin scared brother!
It doesn't need to be accepted widely as currency. Gold and Silver are not longer accepted widely as a form of currency. Does not reduce its value. Besides mining asteroids might make gold like sand at the beach for all I know.
All over the world BTC is growing in adoption. No government can stop it. BTC is a store of value. And it is permission less. Try to send your USD sitting in a bank anywhere in the world without permission. You and many others do not understand that power. You and many others do not understand the DeFi infrastructure being built to serve the financial needs of crypto holders.
Crypto is going forward with or without the help of the United State of America. Ask China if a government can stop BTC?.
Holding USD is a bad investment. All the smart money puts USD into other assets in order to preserve value. The Plutocracy in the United States of America has had a monopoly on financial affairs for far too long. Crypto is the tool that breaks that. Anyone with an internet connection and smart phone can buy crypto in 10 minutes. And I can show them how they can use that crypto to become their own bank. There is no reason for anyone to use a credit card ever again. By cooperating with fellow crypto holders to cut out the middle man. You can save, loan and borrow among peers in a pool backed up with over collateralization. Not the fucked up fractional reserve system that powers fiat currency around the world.
Write off crypto at your own risk my man Same for the United States of America. And all the dumb ass politicians that do not recognize its value. Blackrock owns mother fucking BTC! The revolution is going on right now. And it is not being televised.I'll weigh in with a third view. I don't use crypto as an investment. For me it's a great substitute for currency in the right situation. And I wouldn't have figured that out without insight from you. So thanks!
Elvis 2008
09-08-24, 17:13
One of your points is correct and any mmt economist would agree with you. You cannot inject currency into the system if supply cannot keep up. Which is exactly what happened during covid. But of course now that supply has caught up, well except for companies who are artificially keeping their supplies low in order to drive prices higher, inflation should be coming down, but it's not simply because of corporate greed. Doesn't help that so many sectors in the United States are controlled by a few corporate giants, but that's the end result of corporate capitalism.Goatscrot, I really appreciate your bringing this completely batshit crazy monetary policy to my attention, and I am not being facetious. It is what I thought it is, a completely idiotic attempt to say the law of supply and demand do not exist.
The whole notion that the amount of money in the system can be doubled and not cause a doubling of prices on goods and services is batshit crazy. The notion that corporate greed caused inflation versus creating $10 trillion out of thin air with Covid is batshit crazy too. Why was inflation at 2% or less for decades? Corporations were not greedy back then?
Another tenant of mmt is keeping interest rates at their natural level which is zero.Bond rates are actually set by markets not by any one party. The Fed raises interest rates on the amount banks borrow from each other. Like with any offering, those selling bonds try to offer a rate that is attractive to investors but not so attractive as to put them in financial peril.
My favorite line from the Clinton White House was Bill Clinton saying, "You mean my whole financial package is based on what some fucking bond dealers think?" It showed he understood things.
If you put more money into a system and that money is directed at employment in the production of more goods, you do not have inflation.If more money is put in the system, I. E. Increased supply, the value of said money goes down in value. And how does one direct money at something?
You are forgetting the key element of inflation and that is scarcity.Inflation can be caused by increased demand, decreased supply, or an increase in the money supply.
You mentioned wanting demand to go down? Why in the world would you want that?.LOL. If I had a magic switch for demand, I would make certain demand for my services was infinite.
Like I just showed you, Starbucks is seeing a decline in demand as is McDonald's and they are lowering prices. Higher demand causes prices to go up. Lower demand causes them to fall. So what is going on? The consumer is stretched and they would rather make a cup of coffee at home for 50 cents than paying five bucks at Starbucks so Starbucks is seeing a decline in demand for its goods. Demand for food is about as inelastic a good as you can get, and it speaks volumes about how weak the economy is if restaurants are closing down and lowering prices.
If the government doubles the money supply or takes half my money, it is the same thing. If you think that the government can double money supply and buy things like bombs and it costs the taxpayer nothing. I am not going to change your mind on that so there is no point in debating. Yes, there are times you need to use money to buy things to blow shit up but for the most part, it is the worst use of tax dollars that there is.
That blurb on Venezuela is dead wrong. A lot of Arab countries are totally dependent on oil and gas and are filthy rich. The difference between those countries and Venezuela is in the Arab countries is if you steal, you get your hand cut off. In Venezuela, unlike any country I have ever been to, theft was applauded. What happened in Venezuela is Chavez filled the national oil company with his unproductive cronies and oil production went nowhere. He then started using foreign companies to produce and then he stole from them and they pulled out. His last resource after that was to print money and by over printing the money, he caused runaway inflation. Without a 4th amendment or other guarantee that your money is your money, a country's economy will go to shit for certain.
It is a lot easier to steal from your people by doubling the money supply than taking half of what they own, but the amount of theft is the same.
A couple of my favorites on hreat moments in hyperinflation are attached.
When it comes to the United States it is a country with boundless natural resources, a growing demographic, geographic isolation, and a blue water Navy that is able to project power around the world. Not only is it very well sorted for the era of deglobalization we are already in, but it's productive capacity and potential is great.
One of the points mmt economists make is that if the government is not running a deficit that burden will be placed on the private sector. The government can run deficits, the private sector cannot. I think the main point I want to make is that spending needs to be directed towards full employment which helps drive demand. We've already seen the failure of supply side economics. As I stated in the post below, the main problem is the fiscal.
And again mmt does not advocate for an endless source of dollars. That is a myth. And speaking of you really should read the deficit myth. The problems we have in the United States are a result of poor fiscal policy.You're right, I'm debating with one hand tied behind my back without reading her book. Yes, sanctions probably were a factor in inflation in Zimbabwe and Venezuela.
I've followed a number of developing country economies through the years. Countries that continually run government budget deficits and run up national debt and set interest rates at low levels have problems. That's true of developed countries too. The only exception that comes to mind is Japan, and that may be because of the declining population. And its massive run up in the national debt hasn't been accompanied by good economic performance.
So what would the MMT proponents do differently? Two things that I'm aware of. First, they would only have governments borrowing in their own currency. And that's admittedly true of Japan, but not true of the other examples I've thrown out. I don't know if your example, Weimar Germany, borrowed in foreign currencies, but it certainly had a lot of foreign debt.
Second, they would jack up taxes to reduce demand.
Intuitively, I don't think this would work well. At some point people would get antsy about the debt and start moving to gold, crypto, stock, real estate, etc. , and abandon government debt. Interest rates go up, which makes it difficult for the private sector to raise capital. Or perhaps the central bank keeps rates at low levels, which results in high inflation. Foreign exchange controls are enacted to prevent money from leaving the country.
But that and $5 will buy you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. I need to take a look at the book and come back with you.
I actually am a believer in supply side economics. There's a correlation among developed countries between lower government revenues / expenditures and GDP per capita adjusted for purchasing power. The countries with smaller government as a % of GDP, like the USA, Switzerland, Singapore and Ireland, outperform the ones with larger government. That doesn't mean that there's no place for the Keynesians. I hope Tooms doesn't read this, but I'd give FDR the edge over Herbert Hoover in his willingness to pump lots of money into the economy when it needed it. And I think that's what we have had in recent years, without MMT, and we've even gone overboard at times, like with the American Rescue Plan and other excessive spending legislated during 2021/2022. The Fed has a dual mandate to maximize employment and minimize inflation, and our politicians are not shy at all at using fiscal stimulus. We've been at full employment since 2018, except when COVID intervened.
Elvis 2008
09-08-24, 17:34
It's a great investment. It'll never be widely accepted as a currency.No, it depends on the timing. Bitcoin has a set amount of coins. If you can buy T bills with a 5% yield and prices are coming down, holding cash or buying T bills blows the bitcoin away. If the government is increasing the money supply, I. E. More supply which lowers price / value of a currency leading to inflation, bitcoin is great. It is the best alternative there is to the overprinting of dollars.
And no, it has no function as a currency. Before the Federal reserve was created, money supply was based on gold and a lesser degree to silver. The problem with their use is supply of money was based on the random events of finding a huge gold or silver find. The resulting booms and busts were way worse when what we have now. There are issues with the Federal Reserve for sure but having a non-political entity making decision as to when to raise or lower money supply based on data is a much more rational alternative to gold and silver. Without money supply growth, you will choke off economic growth. If the Fed lets money supply grow too much though, you run into inflation, so it is a very delicate balance.
No one is controlling money supply with bitcoin, so using it as a currency to base an economy on is foolish.
Stupid wars? I'm amazed at how dovish the right wing has become in the past few years. Perfectly willing to cede Ukraine to Russia and then open up the baltics for Putin's advances and probably allow Xi to take Taiwan at his whim.
Donald Trump weakened alliances the United States has had for decades and emboldened dictators such as Putin and Xi. Of course Putin waited until after the election to invade because if the Donald would have been elected he would have been able to waltz right in and take what he wanted. The era of the United States is sole hegemon saw fewer war deaths than we've seen in many decades. Unfortunately that era is over and we will be seeing more and more proxy wars fought. Let's hope the United States maintains its strength as the strongest military in the world.If you take a look at North Korean missile launches after Trump's rapprochement with Kim, you'll see they went way, way down, then rebounded when Biden came to office. Kissing ass works, especially when it's the President of the United States doing the ass kissing. I don't think Russia would have moved into Ukraine if Trump had been president. If it started to, I bet Trump would have done what Bernie Sanders wanted to do.
https://jacobin.com/2022/07/bernie-sanders-joe-biden-ukraine-russia-putin
That blurb on Venezuela is dead wrong. A lot of Arab countries are totally dependent on oil and gas and are filthy rich. The difference between those countries and Venezuela is in the Arab countries is if you steal, you get your hand cut off. In Venezuela, unlike any country I have ever been to, theft was applauded. What happened in Venezuela is Chavez filled the national oil company with his unproductive cronies and oil production went nowhere. He then started using foreign companies to produce and then he stole from them and they pulled out. His last resource after that was to print money and by over printing the money, he caused runaway inflation. Without a 4th amendment or other guarantee that your money is your money, a country's economy will go to shit for certain.
It is a lot easier to steal from your people by doubling the money supply than taking half of what they own, but the amount of theft is the same.I just pulled M2 (money supply) for Venezuela. It's astounding! It was up 2,051,768% from 1/1/2019 to 9/30/2021. Then the government rejiggered the numbers so that it no longer calculates M2, but rather the "Money Supply of the New Expression Currency. ".
I walked through the museum of the central bank of the Argentina some years ago and was astounded that decade after decade they weren't able to get inflation under control. This created real problems for people. My love interest at the time had an ice cream truck, and had to go to the supplier twice a day for milk and the like so her money wouldn't lose a lot of its value before she sold the product.
This is what intuitively worries me about MMT. In the pursuit of full employment, are the politicians and their appointees in the Fed really going to screw things up? All Argentina had to do was what Volcker did. Raise interest rates, keep them higher than inflation, induce a serious recession and in a few years the country would be in good shape again. But they wouldn't do it.
Now MMT may be different, given a couple of the considerations I threw out in my reply to Goatscrot. But I suspect there's no free lunch.
It is a lot easier to steal from your people by doubling the money supply than taking half of what they own, but the amount of theft is the same.
This deserves emphasis. The elite don't suffer from high inflation. They find ways around it, through investments and sending their money to bank accounts in other countries and the like. It's the workingman who gets screwed. In Venezuela, if you were in with Chavez or Maduro, you got access to dollars at the official forex rate and then could sell them for bolivares at the black market rate. That's a great business!
I don't believe Democrats are bigger warmongers than Republicans. My views are much closer to Progressives than, say, Lyndsey Graham's. That was a satirical post to highlight a spurious correlation.
As to the "Trump Pandemic," maybe we better throw in the towel, because you're not going to change my mind and vice versa.
You're starting to sound like the MAGA crowd. American institutions would prevent Trump or anyone else from stealing a presidential election. Harris will probably win but Lichtman's no more clairvoyant than you or me. He was wrong about the popular vote in 2016.I don't think Lichtman has ever claimed his predictions are the result of clairvoyance. And neither have I.
Was he wrong about Trump winning the Popular Vote in 2016? I have no idea since I did not read any of his books, including the one for the 2016 election.
But it is clear he (the Keys, actually) didn't only predict Trump would win the Popular Vote and not the Electoral College Vote, if that is what you or others are suggesting. His Keys predicted a Trump "win" in 2016, which is not something that can happen based solely on the Popular Vote.
Historians Prediction: Donald J. Trump to Win 2016 Election.
September 26, 2016
https://www.american.edu/media/news/092616-13-keys-prediction.cfm
Editors Note: This story has been updated with a correction. It has been corrected to read that Prof. Lichtmans 13 Keys system predicts the winner of the presidential race, not the outcome of the popular vote.Was he misquoted or taken out of context on whatever "Popular Vote" comment he made with regard to his Keys' 2016 prediction and that misquote has taken on a life of its own ever since?
Possible. But, again, I have no idea because I have not researched it that much.
However, it is obvious he predicted a Trump Electoral College win for 2016 before the election because before the election he also predicted Trump would be Impeached. Which, again, can not happen only if he wins the Popular Vote and not the EC vote, right? Without an EC Vote win, Trump could not become president and without becoming president he could not then be Impeached:
In 2016, this prof predicted Trump's presidency and his impeachment.
Allan Lichtman says President Trump has been 'on a path to impeachment' from day 1 of his campaign.
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-thursday-edition-1.5307276/in-2016-this-prof-predicted-trump-s-presidency-and-his-impeachment-1.5307665
As It Happens first spoke to the American University professor during the 2016 election when he was sure that Donald Trump would win the presidency. It wasn't a fluke. Professor Lichtman has predicted the last nine U.S. presidential elections correctly.
And even before Donald Trump was elected, the professor came out with another prediction: that Donald Trump would be impeached.No, as a historian Lichtman certainly uses his judgement on various issues.
However, he does not use clairvoyance in the same way some wannabe economic "historians" might use hokus-pokus notions of magical business and economic cycles, wild coincidences, a witch's curse and so on to explain away the remarkable 100 year long presidential pattern of Great Repub Crashes, Great Repub Depressions, Great Repub Recessions and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction (with no Great Repub Recoveries, Great Repub Expansions and Historic Repub Jobs Creation to their credit) vs Great Dem Recoveries, Great Dem Expansions and Historic Dem Jobs Creation (with no Great Dem Crashes, Great Dem Depressions, Great Dem Recessions and Historic Dem Jobs Destruction to their credit).
Oh, for BONUS MATERIAL, here are a couple of fairly well-known Conservatives who don't think it wise or prudent to rely on American Institutions to rush in and save the day, the republic or American democracy when it comes to determined enemies of America like Donald Trump and his Cult Followers:
One of the beauties of crypto. Allows one to opt out of the fiat money ponzi scheme. Just like buying gold or silver except better because it is digital. The candidate that supports crypto get my vote!.1. Gary Gensler Will Be Fired On Day One Of A Trump Presidency.
Over the past three years, through some combination of incompetence and hostility, Chairman Gensler has used his power over the Securities and Exchange Commission to confuse investors, stymie innovation, and attack good-faith actors.
The eruption of cheers from the crowd when President Trump said he would fire Gensler spoke to the anger felt by the entire bitcoin industry about his poor leadership.
2. Operation Choke Point 2.0 Will Be Brought To An End.
Over the past few years, bitcoin companies have found it increasingly difficult to open bank accounts, process credit cards, and obtain licenses. This misguided effort to demonize an entire industry has damaged American competitiveness, driving software developers, industrial miners, and bitcoin financial service companies overseas.
With this episode finally behind us and bitcoin flourishing in the U.S., individual Americans will also benefit from downstream effects such as increased financial privacy, reduced inflation, and lower energy prices.
3. A Bitcoin Advisory Council To The President Will Be Established.
As was clear during todays keynote, President Trump still has much to learn about bitcoin. He was refreshingly deferential on this point rather than pretending to know more than he did, he acknowledged the expertise of the audience and pledged to include those who have a stake in the industry in the creation of bitcoin policy.
Digital assets will play an increasingly important role in the U.S. economy, touching everything from energy production to monetary policy to power projection. The chief executive will certainly benefit from a council of advisors who can help think through these complex issues.
4. The U.S. government Will Hodl Bitcoin.
Currently, the federal government is estimated to own over 200,000 bitcoins that it obtained during various law enforcement operations. Several times in the past, the federal government has sold bitcoin obtained in this way at auction. (Germany recently liquidated $3 billion worth of bitcoin, a move that may one day in retrospect prove catastrophic.)
President Trump has pledged to hold (or hodl in bitcoin parlance) this bitcoin as part of a new strategic bitcoin stockpile. A vocal contingent of bitcoin-friendly lawmakers, led by U.S. Senator Cynthia Lummis, is coalescing, with a total of four U.S. Senators and three Senate candidates speaking at the conference. Today, Lummis announced a proposal to supercharge the U.S. dollar by establishing a program wherein the federal government would acquire one million bitcoins.
5. Ross Ulbricht Will Be Pardoned.
It has been eleven years since Ross Ulbricht was arrested for operating Silk Road, a website where drugs, fraudulent documents, and other illegal items (alongside legal ones) were freely bought and sold using bitcoin. Ulbricht received a double life sentence plus 40 years, which many feel was excessive. A commutation or pardon has long been a cause clbre for liberty activists. President Trump reaffirmed his intention to pardon Ulbricht, recognizing that the time he has already served is enough to ensure justice was done.
Whether President Trump carries out these promises remains to be seen. However, making them was a savvy political move that will pick up support from voters who view bitcoin as important and see only one viable candidate who recognizes its significance.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidbirnbaum/2024/07/27/the-5-most-important-promises-trump-made-at-bitcoin-2024/
If you take a look at North Korean missile launches after Trump's rapprochement with Kim, you'll see they went way, way down, then rebounded when Biden came to office. Kissing ass works, especially when it's the President of the United States doing the ass kissing. I don't think Russia would have moved into Ukraine if Trump had been president. If it started to, I bet Trump would have done what Bernie Sanders wanted to do.
https://jacobin.com/2022/07/bernie-sanders-joe-biden-ukraine-russia-putinTimeline: Threats and stalemate one year after Trump last met North Korea's Kim.
June 26, 2020
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/timeline-threats-and-stalemate-one-year-after-trump-last-met-north-koreas-kim-idUSKBN23X09P/
WASHINGTON/SEOUL (Reuters) - Nearly one year after U.S. President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un last met, North Korea has returned to conducting short-range missile tests and issuing harsh rhetoric, while Washington shows little interest in easing sanctions.
The two leaders' last meeting - at the Demilitarised Zone between the two Koreas - did little to break the deadlock in denuclearisation talks.
This has led to bouts of increased tension, though Trump - who once derided Kim as Little Rocket Man - has largely downplayed Pyongyangs actions.
Here is a timeline of those developments:
June 12, 2018: A summit in Singapore represented the first time a sitting American president met with a North Korean leader, but the statement that came out of the meeting was light on specifics, opting instead for general commitments.
Since the summit, North Korea has shown no tangible signs of a willingness to abandon its nuclear weapons, and experts have said it is believed to have continued development of its arsenal. Washington, at the same time, has sought to keep sanctions intact, leading North Korea to accuse the United States of clinging to hostile policies.
Feb. 28, 2019: A second summit between Trump and Kim in Vietnam collapsed over sanctions relief, raising questions about the future of denuclearisation diplomacy.
(And more)I forget. Was Joe Biden president in June 2020?
Maybe Kim's launches went "way, way down" later in 2020 at the height of Trump's Pandemic. If so, perhaps a Million American Deaths is a tad more "Ass-Kissing" to please our stated enemies than a Love-Sick so-called potus ought to engage in.
And again mmt does not advocate for an endless source of dollars. That is a myth. And speaking of you really should read the deficit myth. The problems we have in the United States are a result of poor fiscal policy. Correct!
One of your points is correct and any mmt economist would agree with you. You cannot inject currency into the system if supply cannot keep up. Which is exactly what happened during covid. But of course now that supply has caught up, well except for companies who are artificially keeping their supplies low in order to drive prices higher, inflation should be coming down, but it's not simply because of corporate greed. Doesn't help that so many sectors in the United States are controlled by a few corporate giants, but that's the end result of corporate capitalism.
If you put more money into a system and that money is directed at employment in the production of more goods, you do not have inflation. You are forgetting the key element of inflation and that is scarcity. You mentioned wanting demand to go down? Why in the world would you want that? Do you want demand to increase and supply to increase.
Another tenant of mmt is keeping interest rates at their natural level which is zero. Additionally there is absolutely no need for the government to sell bonds if it doesn't want to.
The government doesn't spend your money. It never does. Well your state and local governments do because they are not currency issuers, their currency users. When Congress passes a bill that money is appropriated and it goes on the balance sheets, and when it is taxed back it comes off the balance sheets, it doesn't go into a pot to get spent again. That's a myth.
I like your thinking, on MMT and good administrative economic policies that matter!
Hey, I'm still waiting for the self-appointed ISG Repub economists, to tell me how, 50:1 million jobs created by Dems, since 1989 and the other 100 years of job creation have come with Democrats having been in at the helm of the American economy, here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2939183&viewfull=1#post2939183
So when it comes to matters of the economy, I'm NOT buying the Repub mantra and fallacy of "...we know best when it comes to the economy..." bullshit.
Those same self-appointed ISG Repub economists, like Elvis 2008, have been telling us and droning on, like dogs in heat, for almost four (4) years now, about how the markets, the economy, the job numbers, all are going into a recession type crush and how "the economy has been performing so very badly, even worse than when Trump was...blah, blah, blah". Basically, just parroting the latest QAnon/MAGA Foxy Muse economic, talking points.
Which we all know, the great Biden economy of almost four (4) solid years of growth, has proven them wrong.
A Dog's Ass:
So to be clear, I've always reminded Elvis 2008, of the following:
"Even the sun shines up a dog's ass some days". But in YOUR case, you've been calling for a market crash and economic recession, for almost the last 4 years now. And you've been WRONG every time! So the sun hasn't exactly shone much up your ass for four (4) years.
But I'm sure, if you say it long enough and often enough...that sun will surely shine some day! (...kkkk!)
MMT:
I too, like the MMT model, and I'm happy to see that Biden has adopted MMT, and has the record to prove it. So it does appear to be working IMHO and proving there's merit to the theory, despite its Republican detractors.
Now lets be crystal clear, markets go on cycles and runs, but ultimately are forced to follow the prevailing business cycles. And as such Elvis 2008, my very well get his market crash and/or economic recession. As it is all part of the business cycle.
No doubt, wherein, you'll get all the economic doomsayers, crawl out from their rocks and say "...told you so".
What they often fail to realize, is that when this happens, they better thank their lucky stars, if a Dem administration, happens to be at the helm, to weather the storm. Because if it isn't and it's the Repubs, their abysmal record, shows them only creating 1 million jobs in the last 35 years.
Economic Mansplaining:
So while the self-appointed ISG Repub economists, twist themselves into pretzels, rabbiting on about "economic mansplaining", most rational, common sense economists, meaning your average American, should be able to figure out such easy, "kitchen table" economic math, as to whose economic polices are REALLY WORKING.
MarquisdeSade1
09-08-24, 21:04
I don't believe Democrats are bigger warmongers than Republicans. My views are much closer to Progressives than, say, Lyndsey Graham's. That was a satirical post to highlight a spurious correlation.
As to the "Trump Pandemic," maybe we better throw in the towel, because you're not going to change my mind and vice versa.
You're starting to sound like the MAGA crowd. American institutions would prevent Trump or anyone else from stealing a presidential election. Harris will probably win but Lichtman's no more clairvoyant than you or me. He was wrong about the popular vote in 2016.https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/04/opinion/trump-win-election-harris.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/06/opinion/trump-victory.html
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-nyt-siena-poll-hammers-home-the-reality-that-harris-is-running-out-of-gas/
MMT sounds like some bullshit the Plutocracy of the United States of America came up with.
Stack Sats!
I too, like the MMT model, and I'm happy to see that Biden has adopted MMT, and has the record to prove it. So it does appear to be working IMHO and proving there's merit to the theory, despite its Republican detractors.Interesting. I know that Treasury Secretary Yellen would disagree with your belief that Biden has adopted MMT. And suspect Goatscrot would disagree. But you're right on the same page with economists Art Laffer and Stephen Moore.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bidenomics-also-known-as-mmt-modern-monetary-theory-spending-ccadee9c
So while the self-appointed ISG Repub economists, twist themselves into pretzels, rabbiting on about "economic mansplaining", most rational, common sense economists, meaning your average American, should be able to figure out such easy, "kitchen table" economic math, as to whose economic polices are REALLY WORKING.And the average American likes Trumponomics a lot more than Bidenomics.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/issues/economy
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval_economy-6182.html
So the "most rational, common sense economists," as you put it, disapproved of Biden's handling of the economy by a 20% margin. And they approved of Trump's performance by an 8% margin.
That said, Trump's come up with some ideas on the economy lately that don't make much sense. But Harris seems intent on matching or exceeding every stupid proposal he makes.
I just pulled M2 (money supply) for Venezuela. It's astounding! It was up 2,051,768% from 1/1/2019 to 9/30/2021. Then the government rejiggered the numbers so that it no longer calculates M2, but rather the "Money Supply of the New Expression Currency. ".
I walked through the museum of the central bank of the Argentina some years ago and was astounded that decade after decade they weren't able to get inflation under control. This created real problems for people. My love interest at the time had an ice cream truck, and had to go to the supplier twice a day for milk and the like so her money wouldn't lose a lot of its value before she sold the product.
This is what intuitively worries me about MMT. In the pursuit of full employment, are the politicians and their appointees in the Fed really going to screw things up? All Argentina had to do was what Volcker did. Raise interest rates, keep them higher than inflation, induce a serious recession and in a few years the country would be in good shape again. But they wouldn't do it.
Now MMT may be different, given a couple of the considerations I threw out in my reply to Goatscrot. But I suspect there's no free lunch.
This deserves emphasis. The elite don't suffer from high inflation. They find ways around it, through investments and sending their money to bank accounts in other countries and the like. It's the workingman who gets screwed. In Venezuela, if you were in with Chavez or Maduro, you got access to dollars at the official forex rate and then could sell them for bolivares at the black market rate. That's a great business!Whenever I see the no free lunch blurb I think of Dr Kelton's quote, "The government can give everybody a pony as long as it can make enough ponies. ".
You're right, I'm debating with one hand tied behind my back without reading her book. Yes, sanctions probably were a factor in inflation in Zimbabwe and Venezuela.
I've followed a number of developing country economies through the years. Countries that continually run government budget deficits and run up national debt and set interest rates at low levels have problems. That's true of developed countries too. The only exception that comes to mind is Japan, and that may be because of the declining population. And its massive run up in the national debt hasn't been accompanied by good economic performance.
So what would the MMT proponents do differently? Two things that I'm aware of. First, they would only have governments borrowing in their own currency. And that's admittedly true of Japan, but not true of the other examples I've thrown out. I don't know if your example, Weimar Germany, borrowed in foreign currencies, but it certainly had a lot of foreign debt.
Second, they would jack up taxes to reduce demand.
Intuitively, I don't think this would work well. At some point people would get antsy about the debt and start moving to gold, crypto, stock, real estate, etc. , and abandon government debt. Interest rates go up, which makes it difficult for the private sector to raise capital. Or perhaps the central bank keeps rates at low levels, which results in high inflation. Foreign exchange controls are enacted to prevent money from leaving the country.
But that and $5 will buy you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. I need to take a look at the book and come back with you.
I actually am a believer in supply side economics. There's a correlation among developed countries between lower government revenues / expenditures and GDP per capita adjusted for purchasing power. The countries with smaller government as a % of GDP, like the USA, Switzerland, Singapore and Ireland, outperform the ones with larger government. That doesn't mean that there's no place for the Keynesians. I hope Tooms doesn't read this, but I'd give FDR the edge over Herbert Hoover in his willingness to pump lots of money into the economy when it needed it. And I think that's what we have had in recent years, without MMT, and we've even gone overboard at times, like with the American Rescue Plan and other excessive spending legislated during 2021/2022. The Fed has a dual mandate to maximize employment and minimize inflation, and our politicians are not shy at all at using fiscal stimulus. We've been at full employment since 2018, except when COVID intervened.Jacking up taxes to reduce demand is really an emergency step. Spending to increase production and ensuring full employment is the key.
When we look at Venezuela how much was invested in infrastructure, job creation, developing new marketable technologies, etc? Absolutely none. It was all stolen by an incredibly corrupt government.
Interesting. I know that Treasury Secretary Yellen would disagree with your belief that Biden has adopted MMT. And suspect Goatscrot would disagree. But you're right on the same page with economists Art Laffer and Stephen Moore.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bidenomics-also-known-as-mmt-modern-monetary-theory-spending-ccadee9c
And the average American likes Trumponomics a lot more than Bidenomics.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/issues/economy
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval_economy-6182.html
So the "most rational, common sense economists," as you put it, disapproved of Biden's handling of the economy by a 20% margin. And they approved of Trump's performance by an 8% margin.
That said, Trump's come up with some ideas on the economy lately that don't make much sense. But Harris seems intent on matching or exceeding every stupid proposal he makes.When it comes to mmt the American government has used deficit spending for decades. MMT is simply an explanation of how fiat currencies work.
And when it comes to polls I'm not sure real clear politics is one of our more middle of the road ones is they tend to lean quite far to the right.
If you take a look at North Korean missile launches after Trump's rapprochement with Kim, you'll see they went way, way down, then rebounded when Biden came to office. Kissing ass works, especially when it's the President of the United States doing the ass kissing. I don't think Russia would have moved into Ukraine if Trump had been president. If it started to, I bet Trump would have done what Bernie Sanders wanted to do.
https://jacobin.com/2022/07/bernie-sanders-joe-biden-ukraine-russia-putinPutin was going to move until Ukraine no matter what. The question is what type of resistance would he face. There had been an ongoing conflict in eastern Ukraine for years.
Whenever I see the no free lunch blurb I think of Dr Kelton's quote, "The government can give everybody a pony as long as it can make enough ponies. ".LOL! Touche.
In your dreams but by all means please vote for her & let us know how that works out
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/04/opinion/trump-win-election-harris.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/06/opinion/trump-victory.html
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-nyt-siena-poll-hammers-home-the-reality-that-harris-is-running-out-of-gas/I read the first one earlier today. The best part, which I agree with, is this. The writer is a moderate Democrat.
People like the red model more than the blue model. The fastest-growing states by population are mostly governed by Republicans, including Florida, Texas, Idaho and Montana. The fastest-shrinking or -stagnating states are mostly governed by Democrats, including New York, Illinois, California, Pennsylvania and Hawaii. The red model gives you low housing costs, lower taxes and business vitality. The blue model gives you high housing costs, high taxes and high inequality.
Democrats want to expand the welfare state so that our social insurance system would look more like Europe's. But Europe is economically stagnant and falling behind. In 2021, households in the European Union enjoyed, on average, only 61 percent of the disposable income Americans enjoyed. By this measure, rich European countries like Norway are behind poor American states like Mississippi. According to the McKinsey Global Institute, large European corporations invested 60 percent less than American corporations in 2022 and grew at two-thirds the pace. For a decade, Europe has been falling behind on capital development, research and development, and productivity growth. Even the vaunted German economy has basically flatlined since 2018.
Many American voters might envy the long European vacations, but they want economic dynamism more. For years voters in swing states had been telling pollsters that the economy and inflation were their top issues. They looked around the country and concluded that the Republican approach seemed better at generating dynamism and growth, or at least better than Harris's pitch for and defense of Bidenomics.
Correct!
I like your thinking, on MMT and good administrative economic policies that matter!
Hey, I'm still waiting for the self-appointed ISG Repub economists, to tell me how, 50:1 million jobs created by Dems, since 1989 and the other 100 years of job creation have come with Democrats having been in at the helm of the American economy, here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2939183&viewfull=1#post2939183
So when it comes to matters of the economy, I'm NOT buying the Repub mantra and fallacy of "...we know best when it comes to the economy..." bullshit.
Those same self-appointed ISG Repub economists, like Elvis 2008, have been telling us and droning on, like dogs in heat, for almost four (4) years now, about how the markets, the economy, the job numbers, all are going into a recession type crush and how "the economy has been performing so very badly, even worse than when Trump was...blah, blah, blah". Basically, just parroting the latest QAnon/MAGA Foxy Muse economic, talking points.
Which we all know, the great Biden economy of almost four (4) solid years of growth, has proven them wrong.
A Dog's Ass:
So to be clear, I've always reminded Elvis 2008, of the following:
"Even the sun shines up a dog's ass some days". But in YOUR case, you've been calling for a market crash and economic recession, for almost the last 4 years now. And you've been WRONG every time! So the sun hasn't exactly shone much up your ass for four (4) years.
But I'm sure, if you say it long enough and often enough...that sun will surely shine some day! (...kkkk!)
MMT:
I too, like the MMT model, and I'm happy to see that Biden has adopted MMT, and has the record to prove it. So it does appear to be working IMHO and proving there's merit to the theory, despite its Republican detractors.
Now lets be crystal clear, markets go on cycles and runs, but ultimately are forced to follow the prevailing business cycles. And as such Elvis 2008, my very well get his market crash and/or economic recession. As it is all part of the business cycle.
No doubt, wherein, you'll get all the economic doomsayers, crawl out from their rocks and say "...told you so".
What they often fail to realize, is that when this happens, they better thank their lucky stars, if a Dem administration, happens to be at the helm, to weather the storm. Because if it isn't and it's the Repubs, their abysmal record, shows them only creating 1 million jobs in the last 35 years.
Economic Mansplaining:
So while the self-appointed ISG Repub economists, twist themselves into pretzels, rabbiting on about "economic mansplaining", most rational, common sense economists, meaning your average American, should be able to figure out such easy, "kitchen table" economic math, as to whose economic polices are REALLY WORKING.You know, given that proven 50:1 million jobs created by Dems since 1989 figure and my proven 100,000,000: 37,000,0000 jobs created by Dems over the past 100 years you alluded to here, it occurs to me President Clinton and I have unfairly grossly understated true Dem Jobs Creation numbers and overstated true Repub jobs destruction numbers.
We both neglected to factor in the typical overhang of continued jobs creation for the following months or year after a Repub takes over from a Dem until that incoming Repub gets his way on policy and stewardship adjustment as well as the continued jobs destruction for the following months or year after a Dem takes over from a Repub and before that incoming Dem gets his way on policy and stewardship adjustment.
So the understandable and unavoidable months of continued jobs destruction or weak jobs creation after the incoming Dem takes over from the outgoing Repub as in Hoover to FDR, Eisenhower to JFK, Nixon / Ford to Carter, Bush1 to Clinton, Bush2 to Obama and Trump to Biden at least until those incoming Dems got their first Great Dem Recovery Legislation passed and heading into the system should not be counted against that incoming Dem. Even though it is unfairly counted against them in the typical historical data overview.
By the same token, the months or year of continued jobs creation after an incoming Repub takes over from an outgoing Dem at least until that incoming Repub gets his first economic "stimulus" legislation passed and headed into the system should not be unjustifiably credited to the incoming Repub. Even though it is unjustifiably credit to them in the typical historical data overview.
Therefore, taking that unforgivable oversight and reality into account, and admittedly I have not done the full research on it to know more exact figures, it would not be an unrealistic assertion to suggest an estimate that Dem policy and stewardship is responsible for perhaps 130,000,000 of the jobs created since 1925 while Repub policy and stewardship has been responsible for a likely far too generous estimate of 7,000,000 of them..
War is good for business:
Putin was going to move until Ukraine no matter what. The question is what type of resistance would he face. There had been an ongoing conflict in eastern Ukraine for years.IMPLIED UPSIDE OVER SEPT. 3 CLOSE
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Curtiss-Wright Corp. (CW) 10.2%.
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Joby Aviation Inc. (JOBY) 103.2%.
I out of principle I do not buy defense stocks. But you cannot argue with those performance numbers. Plus many of them pay dividends.
Timeline: Threats and stalemate one year after Trump last met North Korea's Kim.
June 26, 2020
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/timeline-threats-and-stalemate-one-year-after-trump-last-met-north-koreas-kim-idUSKBN23X09P/
I forget. Was Joe Biden president in June 2020?
Maybe Kim's launches went "way, way down" later in 2020 at the height of Trump's Pandemic. If so, perhaps a Million American Deaths is a tad more "Ass-Kissing" to please our stated enemies than a Love-Sick so-called potus ought to engage in.Sorry, I read the link below below sometime ago, but forgot what exactly what it said. You're right, they were still testing short range missiles, which I figured was just business as usual. But the long range missile tests stopped after the announcement of the meeting with Kim in March, 2018. No ICBM's, capable of hitting the USA Mainland, were launched after the meeting, until 3/16/2022.
Here's a time line for missiles identified in the link with ranges over 1,000 km, being medium and long range ballistic missiles, from 1/1/2017 to 12/31/2022. I could have gone on into 2023 and 2024 but I'm lazy.
Only one was launched between the announcement of the Singapore meeting and the end of Trump's term, on 10/2/2019, and while it was a medium range missile, it only flew 450 kilometers.
If you want to duplicate what I did you'll need to google some of the names of the rockets.
2/11/2017.
3/6/2017.
4/4/2017.
4/28/2017.
5/13/2017.
5/21/2017.
7/4/2017.
7/28/2017.
9/15/2017.
11/28/2017.
10/2/2019.
9/11/2021.
1/5/2022.
1/10/2022.
1/25/2022.
1/30/2022.
3/5/2022.
3/16/2022.
3/24/2022.
5/25/2022.
10/4/2022.
10/12/2022.
11/3/2022.
11/18/2022.
12/18/2022.
An interesting bit of trivia from this exercise. North Korea tested its first Intercontinental Ballistic Missile, capable of hitting most of the United States, on July 4, 2017. Do you think that's a coincidence, July 4? That's a rhetorical question.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_Korean_missile_tests
BTW, about Lichtman, I believe I read somewhere he changed his story to say he was forecasting electoral votes instead of the popular vote after 2016, and none of his "Keys to the Whitehouse" target states. Feel free to research if you wish, not something I want to spend time on.
I read the first one earlier today. The best part, which I agree with, is this. The writer is a moderate Democrat.
People like the red model more than the blue model. The fastest-growing states by population are mostly governed by Republicans, including Florida, Texas, Idaho and Montana. The fastest-shrinking or -stagnating states are mostly governed by Democrats, including New York, Illinois, California, Pennsylvania and Hawaii. The red model gives you low housing costs, lower taxes and business vitality. The blue model gives you high housing costs, high taxes and high inequality.
Democrats want to expand the welfare state so that our social insurance system would look more like Europe's. But Europe is economically stagnant and falling behind. In 2021, households in the European Union enjoyed, on average, only 61 percent of the disposable income Americans enjoyed. By this measure, rich European countries like Norway are behind poor American states like Mississippi. According to the McKinsey Global Institute, large European corporations invested 60 percent less than American corporations in 2022 and grew at two-thirds the pace. For a decade, Europe has been falling behind on capital development, research and development, and productivity growth. Even the vaunted German economy has basically flatlined since 2018.
Many American voters might envy the long European vacations, but they want economic dynamism more. For years voters in swing states had been telling pollsters that the economy and inflation were their top issues. They looked around the country and concluded that the Republican approach seemed better at generating dynamism and growth, or at least better than Harris's pitch for and defense of Bidenomics.Red state economies are surging under Biden. Here's why.
Red states make up an overwhelming majority of top performers, ABC found.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/red-state-economies-surging-biden/story?id=107222293
Instead, they added, the dynamic owes in large part to the appeal of warm weather states for workers and businesses, as well as the combination of company-friendly state policies and Democrat-leaning cities that attract young, educated workers.At its two-year anniversary, the bipartisan infrastructure law continues to rebuild all of America.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/at-its-two-year-anniversary-the-bipartisan-infrastructure-law-continues-to-rebuild-all-of-america/
For example, the share of all awards slightly favors Republican-leaning states by both the presidential election measure (46%) and in-state political composition (43%).Now, who is going to tell those Red State Wingers that, as has been the case with virtually every Great Dem Economic Recovery from a Great Repub Crash and Great Repub Depression / Recession, Biden's recovery measures favored Red States and the Wingers who live in them? Because, of course, those are the states that are ALWAYS damaged most by those Great Repub Crashes and Great Repub Depressions / Recessions.
LOL. Will it be the Red State Winger Congressman or Senator who didn't support the emergency aid but is happy to show up for the ribbon cuttings like he had anything whatsoever to do with them? LOL.
I read the first one earlier today. The best part, which I agree with, is this. The writer is a moderate Democrat.
People like the red model more than the blue model. The fastest-growing states by population are mostly governed by Republicans, including Florida, Texas, Idaho and Montana. The fastest-shrinking or -stagnating states are mostly governed by Democrats, including New York, Illinois, California, Pennsylvania and Hawaii. The red model gives you low housing costs, lower taxes and business vitality. The blue model gives you high housing costs, high taxes and high inequality.
Democrats want to expand the welfare state so that our social insurance system would look more like Europe's. But Europe is economically stagnant and falling behind. In 2021, households in the European Union enjoyed, on average, only 61 percent of the disposable income Americans enjoyed. By this measure, rich European countries like Norway are behind poor American states like Mississippi. According to the McKinsey Global Institute, large European corporations invested 60 percent less than American corporations in 2022 and grew at two-thirds the pace. For a decade, Europe has been falling behind on capital development, research and development, and productivity growth. Even the vaunted German economy has basically flatlined since 2018.
Many American voters might envy the long European vacations, but they want economic dynamism more. For years voters in swing states had been telling pollsters that the economy and inflation were their top issues. They looked around the country and concluded that the Republican approach seemed better at generating dynamism and growth, or at least better than Harris's pitch for and defense of Bidenomics.I'd disagree with you here. The majority prefer the blue model. The only reason the Republicans stand a chance is the electoral college. Without it they would have to change their platform significantly. The majority of the United States population does not favor Christian nationalism. And when you look at job creation it has been significantly better under democratic presidents this century.
Economic growth is not the end all of endos and one of the reasons Europe has a problem, if not the biggest reason, is there aging demographic, which except for immigration would be affecting the United States as well.
I'd disagree with you here. The majority prefer the blue model. The only reason the Republicans stand a chance is the electoral college. Without it they would have to change their platform significantly. The majority of the United States population does not favor Christian nationalism. And when you look at job creation it has been significantly better under democratic presidents this century.
Economic growth is not the end all of endos and one of the reasons Europe has a problem, if not the biggest reason, is there aging demographic, which except for immigration would be affecting the United States as well.
Correct Again!
The is essentially why, the Trump/Vance campaign, are running a campaign to win with a "minority of voters". And why Repubs have only won the popular vote, once in 35 years.
They're not running a typical "national" campaign, that would appeal to the majority Americans, with issues left or right of center, but instead are courting the voters at the extremes, in minority red states and key battle ground states, that would give them a "minority path" to victory.
Again, this of course is largely in part, because of how our electoral college (and Senate) elections work. Which do not offer a proper, fare, just and equitable democratic distribution of power of representation, where the share of power is correctly proportionally represented in relation its state populous.
They know they don't have to change their extremist platform or policies, because the electoral college (and Senate) are tilted/rigged in their favor.
This is why you see JD Vance, isn't afraid to go on stage with Tucker Carlson, just 3-days after a much maligned interview with a Nazi apologist and holocaust denier, or fear being seen having dinner with Nao-Nazi sympathizers, which would instantly kill/ruin any nationally ran campaign, if they were legitimately and truly, trying to win the national popular vote.
IMHO, getting rid of the electoral college would dramatically help to de-radicalize the Republican Party and may even put them on a more "Christian" nationalist path? Well that, and the ousting of Trump?
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