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I have been so preoccupied with enjoying the Winter Wonderland Christmas festivities here in the Land of Smiles, the delicious buffets, live entertainment, fireworks, good times and fun I had completely missed the opening shots of the Civil War between the MAGAs and the Con Artists who suckered them into voting for Trump.
It seems the short hand version of this so far is that Ramaswamy, Musk, Boomer, Bannon, everybody who is important and calling the shots in the upcoming Trump's Pandemic and Economic Disaster Part 2 are locked, loaded and taking aim at the MAGAs Trump suckered and each other, admitting the Big Con was that dumb, lazy MAGAs, unworthy of being hired to work at real jobs have only themselves to blame for why those who suckered them must still bring in lots of Immigrants to take their jobs, that the Bull Shit Department of Government Efficiency was set up by Con Man Trump only to make MAGA suckers think they are saving money for them when in fact it is meant to take money from them and make him and his billionaire buddies wealthier. Lololol. Fun stuff.
So I did a search on the topic to catch up a bit more and discovered this very interesting overview of what is going on by Steve Schmidt, a former Repub Party campaign strategist and advisor who knows the Big Repub Con very, very well.
An 8:56 minute video well worth the time:
https://youtu.be/QQttuiH8gfY?si=hV50vLhOtItPb6mC
MarquisdeSade1
12-28-24, 08:28
I have been so preoccupied with enjoying the Winter Wonderland Christmas festivities here in the Land of Smiles, the delicious buffets, live entertainment, fireworks, good times and fun I had completely missed the opening shots of the Civil War between the MAGAs and the Con Artists who suckered them into voting for Trump.
It seems the short hand version of this so far is that Ramaswamy, Musk, Boomer, Bannon, everybody who is important and calling the shots in the upcoming Trump's Pandemic and Economic Disaster Part 2 are locked, loaded and taking aim at the MAGAs Trump suckered and each other, admitting the Big Con was that dumb, lazy MAGAs, unworthy of being hired to work at real jobs have only themselves to blame for why those who suckered them must still bring in lots of Immigrants to take their jobs, that the Bull Shit Department of Government Efficiency was set up by Con Man Trump only to make MAGA suckers think they are saving money for them when in fact it is meant to take money from them and make him and his billionaire buddies wealthier. Lololol. Fun stuff.
So I did a search on the topic to catch up a bit more and discovered this very interesting overview of what is going on by Steve Schmidt, a former Repub Party campaign strategist and advisor who knows the Big Repub Con very, very well.
An 8:56 minute video well worth the time:
https://youtu.be/QQttuiH8gfY?si=hV50vLhOtItPb6mChttps://www.nationalreview.com/2024/12/the-biden-legacy-nearly-a-trillion-in-improper-payments/
The Biden Legacy: Nearly a Trillion in Improper Payments.
President Joe Biden holds a cabinet meeting in the Cabinet Room of the White House in Washington, the. See. , June 6, 2023. (Evelyn Hockstein / Reuters).
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Over four years, the Biden administration unintentionally misspent $926 billion — to say nothing of the trillions it misspent on purpose.
The fiscal year 2024 data are in, and they show that the Biden administration has overseen a record $926 billion in improper and unknown federal payments since 2021.
That is 38 percent more than the Trump administration's $673 billion total over four years, and it's only 4 percent less than the Obama administration's $962 billion total over eight years. Moreover, all of these figures are underestimates as they only account for about 68 programs out of the more than 2,000 that the federal government operates. The Biden administration's $926 billion total translates to more than $7,000 for every household in America. .
Of the 24 or so reliably, historically, traditionally Blue States and Districts, only three of those Blue States flipped to Trump and only by a razor-thin margin. It was where less than a 0. 9 point swing from Harris to Trump in one of those three states, less than a 0. 8 point swing in another and less than a 0. 5 point swing in the third one was enough to do it.
That would be PA, MI and WI, the only 3 states that determined the difference between a President-elect Harris today and a Presidents-elect or is it Presidents-UNelect Musk, Ramaswamy and Bannon.
See screenshot below.
Scroll down to "Results" on this link for the latest numbers and points:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election
Now, here are a few points about the election in general and those three states in particular that I suspect the "Every Great Depression, Great Recession and Massive Jobs Loss of the past 100 years and none of the historic Economic Recoveries, Expansions and Jobs Gains happening under Repub Presidents and all of the Polar Opposite Results happening under Dem Presidents is just a wild, magical and mystical coincidence" crowd will dismiss as not ringing true. To them.
Nevertheless, the empirical evidence, admissions and acknowledgement by the key participants and beneficiary as well as the final and actual overall numbers and results provides overwhelming proof of the truth of them:
1. They were the three closest states in terms of final Trump vs Harris votes.
2. Related to the above point, they were the three states Harris spent the most time in campaigning and ad expenditures.
3. Even if Biden had been the candidate to the very end he would have only had an additional 90 days or so to campaign than Harris vs the 7 years Trump spent campaiging for it. It turns out, unlike Trump, Biden had an actual job to keep him busy since January 20,2021; recovering the colossal mess on all economic, jobs destruction, national security, health, life, death, crime rate, foreign policy, American Insurrection, Overthrowing of American democracy fronts Trump left behind and doing so in historic, remarkable and unprecedented sucessful fashion.
Ergo, Biden would have had scarcely more free time to focus on campaigning in much more than those same three states as Harris did.
And that is in contrast to Trump who, as far as anyone can tell, his only "work time" as so-called president was the 20 minutes or so it took him to sign that ridiculous, deficit-ballooning waste of tax-dollars Tax Cuts and Jobs Act put together by the Repubs in Congress one day in late December 2017. Other than that, nothing. Just walking and talking and golfing and campaigning for his 2nd term run.
4. By all accounts, those three states are not the only states in the country where demos such as, oh, black men, non college-educated whites, Latinos and yeah, even angry Muslims reside.
5. By all accounts, those three states are not the only states in the country that had access to news feeds and personal opinions and experiences regarding the economy, trannies, pronouns, immigration, Roe v Wade, who referred to who as "Hitler", crime rates, etc etc etc.
6. Yet, none of those 24 or so typically Blue States and Districts flipped to Red in the presidential contest, none of the supposedly critical Dem demos were compelled to shift from Harris to Trump in ANY of those typically Blue States or Districts enough to flip the entire state to Trump if even by a razor-thin margin or swing in votes, except THREE.
7. Those three states also happen to be the only three states where Muslim Community Leaders mobilized to channel the anger of their Community of voters, sizable in all three states, to deny the Biden Administration a presidential win due to their conflating the USA support for Israel in its conflict with Gaza with love and support for Netanyahu, who they hate. Even though almost immediately after they "gave Trump the presidency" in that way and for that reason they have deeply regretted doing so.
8. All the buzz issues Trump and his sucker MAGAs spent at least 7 years conjuring up and carried mostly unchallenged into Americans' homes by obedient pro Repub Mainstream Media and non traditional media along with all those red herrings about Dems "losing their Demos to Trump" did not matter one whit with regard to which candidate won the presidential election.
9. The only thing that mattered was that relative handful of angry Muslim joker in the deck that no one other than them had control over, unfortunately for them as well as the rest of the country, popped up in Trump's hand on that one critical day.
10. Could a surge of uncharacteristically intelligent and suddenly roused out of their MSM-assisted, Trump Con-induced hypnotic state MAGAs have rushed in to save themselves and America by voting for Harris instead of Trump in those three states and thereby counteracted the effect of those mobilized angry Muslims on the unfortunate election result, perhaps if she hadn't been a she and the other ethnic minority mix she was?
Sure. Coulda Woulda Shoulda.
But didn't.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/12/the-biden-legacy-nearly-a-trillion-in-improper-payments/
The Biden Legacy: Nearly a Trillion in Improper Payments.
President Joe Biden holds a cabinet meeting in the Cabinet Room of the White House in Washington, the. See. , June 6, 2023. (Evelyn Hockstein / Reuters).
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By Rachel Greszler.
December 27,2024 6:30 AM.
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Over four years, the Biden administration unintentionally misspent $926 billion to say nothing of the trillions it misspent on purpose.
The fiscal year 2024 data are in, and they show that the Biden administration has overseen a record $926 billion in improper and unknown federal payments since 2021.
That is 38 percent more than the Trump administration's $673 billion total over four years, and it's only 4 percent less than the Obama administration's $962 billion total over eight years. Moreover, all of these figures are underestimates as they only account for about 68 programs out of the more than 2,000 that the federal government operates. The Biden administration's $926 billion total translates to more than $7,000 for every household in America. .Holy shit! Trump made almost 66% of a $Trillion in improper payments after inheriting a stunning economy from Obama-Biden and accomplishing nothing over the next 4 years except losing a Trade War with China, ushering in and exacerbating Trump's Pandemic, presiding over NEGATIVE job growth, adding $Trillions to the deficit and leading a violent mob of cop-killing and maiming insurrectionists to storm and invade the Capitol in an attempt to overturn a free and fair election and overthrow American democracy?
On what and to whom, exactly? His kids?
Now, if he had inherited the total shitstorm of colossal economic disaster, massive jobs destruction by the millions and managed to pull us out of one quagmire counterproductive Repub-initiated War as Obama inherited and did and all of that plus a historic, worldwide-economy destroying and global supply-chain collapsing, hyper-inflation triggering, mass murdering by the millions Trump's Pandemic to clean up and recover the world from as Biden did, well, we could understand some serious money falling between the cushions here and there to accomplish so much and so many positive results.
But from just playing golf, failing and lying about everything for 4 solid years as Trump did? Astonishing.
And they will have it but not before they learn how to live in peace with their neighbors.
For the umpteenth time: They had their independence, but they blew it by starting the war. Losing a war has consequences. A Frenchman who knows the history of his own country should understand it better than anyone.Where is future Palestine? When criminal Netanyahou killed more than 1000 children in Gaza. Just a shame to support him.
You are opposed to Killing the SAVAGES.
"If there's anything that's truly evil, it's the state directing the execution of its citizens. " even the evil savages? So you defend the evil savages right to live.
I most definitely do NOT!
I know your problem (well at least one of them) you have no clue the difference between good and evil!!
Here's a question for you?
I hope it doesn't hurt.
You wrote.
"If there's anything that's truly evil, it's the state directing the execution of its citizens. ".
Ok this savage is an illegal alien from the NYC subway, and you still want to defend this monsters right to breathe at tax payers expense for the next 50 yrs?
$556,000 per person each.
(Credit: Jim Henderson) In 2021, the New York City Comptroller revealed the cost of incarceration has grown to more than $556,000 per person each year. That's over $1,500 each day to lock up just one person. Jan 17,2024.
"Good peace to all and all a good night".
(except Evil homicidal savages).
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd753r47815o
I hope they execute her on live TV and its so popular it makes it way to US court rooms.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39535957
US executions need to be televised live like the Super Bowl.
4%-12% of executions are innocent LMFAO.
You're going to make ET piss himself when he reads that.
Lets see some facts to back that up Morbidly Obese Tiny The Bullshitter.
....But you haven't told us how you snuck that laptop into the Texas State Mental Hospital (under your rolls of fat? Or your YUGE ass crack?That's fucking low. Little people can't really do much about our weight. We have the same sized organs as you do, packed onto a smaller frame. I wouldn't make fun of you for your horns or tail, and you shouldn't make fun of my weight.
As to "facts to back that up", the 4% low end is from this study, which says "if all death-sentenced defendants remained under sentence of death indefinitely at least 4. 1% would be exonerated. We conclude that this is a conservative estimate of the proportion of false conviction among death sentences in the United States. ".
https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1306417111
The 12% upper end is from this.
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/research/analysis/reports/special-reports/dpic-special-report-the-innocence-epidemic
Now I believe 12% is probably way too high, but more likely to be true than a $556,000 per year cost to imprison a murderer for life. That just applies to New York City, where the Bernie Bros control the city and state government. And that's their decision, whether they execute people or not. I don't live there so it's none of my business.
What I've seen indicates it costs more to impose the death penalty than life imprisonment without parole.
From 1978 to around 2010, California's death penalty system cost about $4 billion more than a system with life imprisonment:
https://digitalcommons.lmu.edu/llr/vol46/iss0/1/
Death penalty cases in Kansas cost an estimated 70% more than cases in which the death penalty wasn't sought, including the cost of incarceration:
https://www.ksabolition.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Cost-Workshop-Handout.pdf
The death penalty in Washington state costs about $1 million more in costs per case compared to cases where the death penalty is not sought. This study included the cost of incarceration too:
https://law.seattleu.edu/media/school-of-law/documents/centers-and-institutes/korematsu-center/initiatives-and-projects/defender-initiative/The-Economic-Costs-of-Seeking-the-Death-Penalty-in-WA.pdf
Now, what you truly fail to appreciate is this:
When you dream you don't dream about pussy like normal men, you dream about being a Slave Owner circa 1800 Savannah Ga.If people like me were in charge of the penal system, we'd make incarcerating those murderers a paying proposition! Contrary to what you say, I believe prisoners should, in the words of Milton Friedman, be Free to Choose. So I'd give them a choice, eat prison gruel and lead a difficult life. Or volunteer to work for Tiny's Global Solutions Inc! We'd have them cleaning up radioactive waste, rent them out as mercenaries, and so on. And we wouldn't pay them anything! Just provide lobster, steak and cheap hookers! I bet we could get 90% of them to go for that over prison gruel! And make a bundle!
And yes you do favor execution of innocents. If you impose a death penalty, you WILL execute innocent people. Using the lower end, 4%, there's a very good chance that one or more of the 37 people on death row whose sentences were commuted by Biden were innocent. Please note that 4% x 37 = 1.5 innocents saved!
Koch bros, the dead one wasn't nearly as bad as Chas.
Chas Koch=a real life iteration of Montgomery Burns.
I have never heard of Chas Koch donating to anything EVER.
That wasn't completely self serving, like donating to help illegals get drivers licenses or new immigrants to vote.
As that what you call poverty alleviation? You're TWISTED.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2023/10/10/exclusive-charles-koch-koch-industries-has-given-more-than-5-billion-of-his-koch-industries-stock-to-two-nonprofits/
He's a parasitic turd and you consider him your hero.Parasitic turd in the view of you and your Economic Heroes (Bernie Sanders, Karl Marx and Juan Peron.) But not me and mine!
As to your link, we don't know exactly what the money in his "Believe in People" foundation will be spent on. But based on his book by the same name, we should expect that an outsized portion or the majority will be spent on education, health care innovation, and community development.
But Charles Koch's bigger contribution to humanity and America was through his leadership of Koch Industries. During his time as CEO, Koch grew from fewer than 500 employees and $187 million in revenues to 120,000 employees and revenues of $125 billion. The company provided lots of jobs, and products that benefit all of us. Thank goodness for people like Charles Koch! And his principled support of free market ideas and libertarianism is just the icing on the cake!
https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/12/the-biden-legacy-nearly-a-trillion-in-improper-payments/
The Biden Legacy: Nearly a Trillion in Improper Payments.
President Joe Biden holds a cabinet meeting in the Cabinet Room of the White House in Washington, the. See. , June 6, 2023. (Evelyn Hockstein / Reuters).
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By Rachel Greszler.
December 27,2024 6:30 AM.
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Over four years, the Biden administration unintentionally misspent $926 billion to say nothing of the trillions it misspent on purpose.
The fiscal year 2024 data are in, and they show that the Biden administration has overseen a record $926 billion in improper and unknown federal payments since 2021.
That is 38 percent more than the Trump administration's $673 billion total over four years, and it's only 4 percent less than the Obama administration's $962 billion total over eight years. Moreover, all of these figures are underestimates as they only account for about 68 programs out of the more than 2,000 that the federal government operates. The Biden administration's $926 billion total translates to more than $7,000 for every household in America. .There you go. Trump misspent around $700 billion. And Obama and Biden around a trillion dollars! Nobody knows what a lot of that was even spent on. And you and the other Bernie Bros still believe we should keep shoveling more and more money to an inefficient and wasteful federal government?
So I did a search on the topic to catch up a bit more and discovered this very interesting overview of what is going on by Steve Schmidt, a former Repub Party campaign strategist and advisor who knows the Big Repub Con very, very well.
An 8:56 minute video well worth the time:
https://youtu.be/QQttuiH8gfY?si=hV50vLhOtItPb6mCHe just sounds like another neoconservative, racist, Indian-bashing, ex-Republican Democrat to me.
House Majorities are not determined by how many votes every Dem House candidate got across the country vs every Repub House candidate.
House districts are so gerrymandered that many if not most districts barely experience a true campaign. The candidates' party has chosen its voters and they simply wait for the election results to come in.
We don't know how many overall votes would be for Dems vs Repubs if districts were drawn strictly by population and not by Party affiliation, thereby requiring each Party's candidate to duke it out in a real campaign.
It may very well be that the only reason more Repubs vote for Repub House candidates is because the Repub Party gerrymanders their districts so tight within an inch on either side of a registered Repub that there is virtually no reason for a Dem to spend 1 dime or an afternoon campaigning there trying to reverse total insanity.
If the number of votes for Dem Senators vs Repub Senators as well as Dem presidential candidates vs Repub presidential candidates over the past 35 years is any indication of how outlawing gerrymandering would change the overall number of votes across the country for House Dems vs Repub Dems I would say Repubs better hope gerrymandering is never outlawed.
See, the kind of campaign I am talking about is where the candidates have to put some time into covering their particular district's needs while also actually explaining that, no, the unemployment rate is not at an all-time high, the stock market is not at an all-time low, the price of gasoline is not double where it hit in 2019, Joe Biden did not overturn Roe V Wade, yes, Joe Biden did drop out of the race and Kamala Harris is now the Dem presidential candidate and so on.
You know, basic information that sizable numbers and percentages of voters were actually unclear about, thanks to the wonderful world of typically pro Repub Mainstream Media, right up to and beyond November 5th.I think it's a whole lot simpler. Just look at the numbers. The Democrats have done a much better job of gerrymandering House districts than Republicans. I addressed that before:
This "what if" line of reasoning appeals to you and some MAGA Repubicans. "What if" 100% of Muslims had voted for Harris? "What if" Republicans had just gotten 11,284 more votes in Georgia, 21,347 more votes in Wisconsin, and so on?
I saw the sanctimonious, delusional partisan Democrat, Wiley Nickel, on MSNBC's Morning Joe yesterday. He's the subject of the article you linked to above at bullshitout.org. Since 1946, Democrats have cheated much more effectively than Republicans, in getting more than their fair share of House seats. During that period, since 1946, Democrats got on average 3.9% more House seats than they deserved based on the House popular vote. That's an average of 9 more House seats, every election!
Republicans managed to turn the table in 2012 to 2016, but since then Democrats have gotten a marginally higher % of House Seats than votes.
See the last column in this table compiled by the Democrat-controlled Brookings Institution if you want to verify:
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/vitalstats_ch2_tbl2.pdf
The table goes through 2018. Here's the difference between the Democratic percentage of seats won, and the percentage of votes won since then:
2020 +0.7%
2022 +1.2%
2024 +1.6%.
The 2024 results reflect a final tally of 220 GOP House seats and 215 Democrat seats. The Republicans won the House by a 5 seat margin, not one seat, as you keep repeatedly saying. .
So, Republicans are up to the same dirty tricks in North Carolina that Democrats (and Republicans) have been up to in other states for at least the last 78 years. Here are some stats for comparison.
North Carolina: Harris received 47.6% of the popular vote; House Democrats got 28.6% of the seats.
New York: Trump 44%; House Republicans 27%
Illinois: Trump 44%; House Republicans 18%
Oregon: Trump 41%; House Republicans 17%
New Mexico: Trump 46%; House Republicans 0%
You can reproduce using the following sites and switching states:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/north-carolina-house-results
https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/results/north-carolina
Admittedly I could probably come up with Republican states just as wildly unfair as the blue states above. Still, historically, the Democrats have cheated more effectively than Republicans, as clearly shown by the numbers. Democrat think tanks and media sources attempt to show that Republicans are better at gerrymandering House seats, but the numbers clearly show they're wrong. Crafty Democrats.
MarquisdeSade1
12-29-24, 06:16
Of the 24 or so reliably, historically, traditionally Blue States and Districts, only three of those Blue States flipped to Trump and only by a razor-thin margin. It was where less than a 0. 9 point swing from Harris to Trump in one of those three states, less than a 0. 8 point swing in another and less than a 0. 5 point swing in the third one was enough to do it.
That would be PA, MI and WI, the only 3 states that determined the difference between a President-elect Harris today and a Presidents-elect or is it Presidents-UNelect Musk, Ramaswamy and Bannon.
See screenshot below.
Scroll down to "Results" on this link for the latest numbers and points:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election
Now, here are a few points about the election in general and those three states in particular that I suspect the "Every Great Depression, Great Recession and Massive Jobs Loss of the past 100 years and none of the historic Economic Recoveries, Expansions and Jobs Gains happening under Repub Presidents and all of the Polar Opposite Results happening under Dem Presidents is just a wild, magical and mystical coincidence" crowd will dismiss as not ringing true. To them.
Nevertheless, the empirical evidence, admissions and acknowledgement by the key participants and beneficiary as well as the final and actual overall numbers and results provides overwhelming proof of the truth of them:
1. They were the three closest states in terms of final Trump vs Harris votes.
2. Related to the above point, they were the three states Harris spent the most time in campaigning and ad expenditures.
3. Even if Biden had been the candidate to the very end he would have only had an additional 90 days or so to campaign than Harris vs the 7 years Trump spent campaiging for it. It turns out, unlike Trump, Biden had an actual job to keep him busy since January 20,2021; recovering the colossal mess on all economic, jobs destruction, national security, health, life, death, crime rate, foreign policy, American Insurrection, Overthrowing of American democracy fronts Trump left behind and doing so in historic, remarkable and unprecedented sucessful fashion.
Ergo, Biden would have had scarcely more free time to focus on campaigning in much more than those same three states as Harris did.
And that is in contrast to Trump who, as far as anyone can tell, his only "work time" as so-called president was the 20 minutes or so it took him to sign that ridiculous, deficit-ballooning waste of tax-dollars Tax Cuts and Jobs Act put together by the Repubs in Congress one day in late December 2017. Other than that, nothing. Just walking and talking and golfing and campaigning for his 2nd term run.
4. By all accounts, those three states are not the only states in the country where demos such as, oh, black men, non college-educated whites, Latinos and yeah, even angry Muslims reside.
5. By all accounts, those three states are not the only states in the country that had access to news feeds and personal opinions and experiences regarding the economy, trannies, pronouns, immigration, Roe v Wade, who referred to who as "Hitler", crime rates, etc etc etc.
6. Yet, none of those 24 or so typically Blue States and Districts flipped to Red in the presidential contest, none of the supposedly critical Dem demos were compelled to shift from Harris to Trump in ANY of those typically Blue States or Districts enough to flip the entire state to Trump if even by a razor-thin margin or swing in votes, except THREE.
7. Those three states also happen to be the only three states where Muslim Community Leaders mobilized to channel the anger of their Community of voters, sizable in all three states, to deny the Biden Administration a presidential win due to their conflating the USA support for Israel in its conflict with Gaza with love and support for Netanyahu, who they hate. Even though almost immediately after they "gave Trump the presidency" in that way and for that reason they have deeply regretted doing so.
8. All the buzz issues Trump and his sucker MAGAs spent at least 7 years conjuring up and carried mostly unchallenged into Americans' homes by obedient pro Repub Mainstream Media and non traditional media along with all those red herrings about Dems "losing their Demos to Trump" did not matter one whit with regard to which candidate won the presidential election.
9. The only thing that mattered was that relative handful of angry Muslim joker in the deck that no one other than them had control over, unfortunately for them as well as the rest of the country, popped up in Trump's hand on that one critical day.
10. Could a surge of uncharacteristically intelligent and suddenly roused out of their MSM-assisted, Trump Con-induced hypnotic state MAGAs have rushed in to save themselves and America by voting for Harris instead of Trump in those three states and thereby counteracted the effect of those mobilized angry Muslims on the unfortunate election result, perhaps if she hadn't been a she and the other ethnic minority mix she was?
Sure. Coulda Woulda Shoulda.
But didn't.https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/14/opinion/identity-groups-politics.html
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Why We Got It So Wrong.
Nov. 14,2024.
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Let me ask you a few questions:
If the Democrats nominated a woman to run for president, would you expect her to do better among female voters than the guy who ran in her place four years before?
If the Democrats nominated a Black woman to run for president, would you expect her to do better among Black voters than the white candidate who ran in her place four years before?
If the Republicans nominated a guy who ran on mass deportation and consistently said horrible things about Latino immigrants, would you expect him to do worse among Latino voters over time?
If the Democrats nominated a vibrant Black woman who was the subject of a million brat memes, would you expect her to do better among young voters than the old white guy who ran before her?
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If you said yes to any of these questions, as I would have a month ago, you have some major rethinking to do, because all of these expectations were wrong.
In 2024, Kamala Harris did worse among Black voters than Joe Biden did in 2020. She did worse among female voters. She did much worse among Latino voters. She did much worse among young voters.
She did manage to outperform Biden among two groups: affluent people and white voters, especially white men. If there is one sentence that captures the surprising results of this election, it is this one from the sociologist Musa al-Gharbi: "Democrats lost because everyone except for whites moved in the direction of Donald Trump this cycle. ".
Going into this campaign, I did not have that one on my bingo card.
Why were so many of our expectations wrong? Well, we all walk around with mental models of reality in our heads. Our mental models help us make sense of the buzzing, blooming confusion of the world. Our mental models help us anticipate what's about to happen. Our mental models guide us as we make decisions about how to get the results we want.
Many of us are walking around with broken mental models. Many of us go through life with false assumptions about how the world works.
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Where did we get our current models? Well, we get models from our experience, our peers, the educational system, the media and popular culture. Over the past few generations, a certain worldview that emphasizes racial, gender and ethnic identity has been prevalent in the circles where highly educated people congregate. This worldview emerged from the wonderful liberation movements that highlighted American life over the past seven decades: the civil rights movement, the women's liberation movement, the gay rights movement, the trans rights movement.
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The crucial assertion of the identitarian mind-set is that all politics and all history can be seen through the lens of liberation movements. Society is divided between the privileged (straight white males) and the marginalized (pretty much everyone else). History and politics are the struggle between oppressors and oppressed groups.
In this model, people are seen as members of a group before they are seen as individuals. When Biden picked his running mate in 2020, he had promised to pick a woman, and when he picked his Supreme Court nominee in 2022, he had promised to pick a Black woman. In both cases her identity grouping came before her individual qualities.
In this model, society is seen as an agglomeration of different communities. Democrats thus produce separate agendas designed to mobilize Black men, women and so on. The goal of Democratic politics is to link all the oppressed and marginalized groups into one majority coalition.
In this model, individual cognition is de-emphasized while collective consciousness is emphasized. Groups are assumed to be relatively homogeneous. People are seen as representatives of their community. Standpoint epistemology reigns. This is the idea that a person's ideas are primarily shaped not by individual preferences but by the experience of the group. It makes sense to say, "Speaking as a gay Hispanic man." because a person's thoughts are assumed to be dispatches from a communal experience.
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This identity politics mind-set is psychologically and morally compelling. In an individualistic age, it gives people a sense of membership in a group. It helps them organize their lives around a noble cause, fighting oppression.
But this mind-set has just crashed against the rocks of reality. This model assumes that people are primarily motivated by identity group solidarity. This model assumes that the struggle against oppressive systems and groups is the central subject of politics. This model has no room for what just happened.
It turns out a lot of people don't behave like ambassadors from this or that group. They think for themselves in unexpected ways.
It turns out that many people don't see politics and history through the paradigm of liberation movements. They are concerned with all kinds of issues that don't fit into the good-versus-evil mind-set of oppressor versus oppressed: How do you fix inflation? How can we bring down crime? What should our policy on Ukraine be?
Plenty of people are exhausted by the crude generalizations that are so common today. For example, analysts talk about gender wars and hypermasculine Trump supporters. But in most elections, as in this one, there's not a vast difference between how men and women vote. The differences within the male and female populations are greater than the differences between these populations.
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A lot of the group categories that identity politics rely on don't make much sense. For example, the category "Hispanic voter" includes people of Mexican descent whose families have been in Texas for 350 years as well as families from Chile who came to New York a decade ago.
The category "people of color" doesn't make sense, either, as a way to group individuals as a political force. America has been uniquely wretched to Black Americans, practicing structural racism that shows up today, for example, in the horrendous wealth gap between Black and white people. The diverse communities we call Asian and Hispanic Americans came here largely voluntarily. Many of them have been able to prosper and experience educational and income trajectories that are different from those of a community that has suffered hundreds of years of slavery and discrimination.
Even the most solid identity group categories are fluid. As a recent Pew Research Center study found, among people who married in 2022,32 percent of Asian Americans married outside their ethnic group, as did 30 percent of Hispanics, 23 percent of Black people and 15 percent of white people. In one Pew survey 58 percent of Hispanics also identified as white.
The identity politics mind-set has made it harder to deal with nuts-and-bolts issues like how to address the homelessness crisis or reduce opioid deaths and how to run an institution in which people treat one another decently. Have you noticed that the places most rife with this mind-set (progressive cities and elite universities) have experienced one leadership failure after another?
This is a time when we all should be updating our mental models and making our view of society more complex. And I'm seeing a lot of that around me as people try to learn from what just happened.
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But I'm also seeing many people who are still victims of conceptual blindness. They are so imprisoned by their mental models, they can interpret these results only in identity politics terms: Harris lost because America is racist (even though she did virtually the same as Biden did among white voters). Harris lost because America is sexist (even though she underperformed among women). Some people blamed white women for abandoning their Black sisters, as if lack of gender solidarity were the main thing going on here.
Identitarian takes are strewn across the media. The New Yorker ran an analysis piece headlined "How America Embraced Gender War. " Slate ran a piece called "Men Got Exactly What They Wanted. " The Guardian ran a piece called "Our Mistake Was to Think We Lived in a Better Country Than We Do. " If the election didn't come out the way we wanted, it must be because of their groups' bigotry against our groups.
As I try to update my own models, a few stray thoughts enter my mind. First, you don't reduce racial, ethnic and gender bigotry by raising the salience of these categories and by exaggerating the differences between groups. Second, integration is better than separatism. Diverse societies prosper when people in different categories cooperate in respectful ways on a day-to-day basis, not when we divide people into supposedly homogeneous enclaves. Third, assimilation is not a dirty word, as long as it's voluntary; it's not a sin to feel that your love for America transcends your love for your ethnic group, and you don't really love America if you despise half its people. Fourth, most of the world's problems are caused by stupidity and human limitation, not because there's some malevolently brilliant group of oppressors keeping everybody else down.
Fifth, seeing groups in all their complexity requires seeing individuals in all their complexity. To see people well, you have to see what makes them unique. You also have to see which groups they belong to. You also have to see their social location — where they fit in the economic, social and status hierarchies. When you're able to see people at all three levels of reality, you're beginning to see them holistically.
Finally, we need a social vision that doesn't rely on zero-sum us / them thinking. During his first term, Trump unleashed a cultural assault based on his version of identity politics. The left responded by doubling down on its identitarian mind-set. We have to do better this time.
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In 1959 the British jurist Patrick Devlin made a point that should haunt us: "Without shared ideas on politics, morals and ethics, no society can exist. " he added, "If men and women try to create a society in which there is no fundamental agreement about good and evil, they will fail; if having based it on common agreement, the agreement goes, the society will disintegrate. ".
We need a social vision that is as morally compelling as identity politics but does a better job of describing reality. We need a national narrative that points us to some ideal and gives each of us a noble role in pursuing it. That's the gigantic cultural task that lies ahead.
MarquisdeSade1
12-29-24, 06:21
I have been so preoccupied with enjoying the Winter Wonderland Christmas festivities here in the Land of Smiles, the delicious buffets, live entertainment, fireworks, good times and fun I had completely missed the opening shots of the Civil War between the MAGAs and the Con Artists who suckered them into voting for Trump.
It seems the short hand version of this so far is that Ramaswamy, Musk, Boomer, Bannon, everybody who is important and calling the shots in the upcoming Trump's Pandemic and Economic Disaster Part 2 are locked, loaded and taking aim at the MAGAs Trump suckered and each other, admitting the Big Con was that dumb, lazy MAGAs, unworthy of being hired to work at real jobs have only themselves to blame for why those who suckered them must still bring in lots of Immigrants to take their jobs, that the Bull Shit Department of Government Efficiency was set up by Con Man Trump only to make MAGA suckers think they are saving money for them when in fact it is meant to take money from them and make him and his billionaire buddies wealthier. Lololol. Fun stuff.
So I did a search on the topic to catch up a bit more and discovered this very interesting overview of what is going on by Steve Schmidt, a former Repub Party campaign strategist and advisor who knows the Big Repub Con very, very well.
An 8:56 minute video well worth the time:
https://youtu.be/QQttuiH8gfY?si=hV50vLhOtItPb6mC"MAGAs unworthy of being hired to work at real jobs have only themselves to blame for why those who suckered them must still bring in lots of Immigrants to take their jobs".
Sounds like quintessential sour grapes, I live in a bad ass Penthouse and I don't know anyone that needs to move to the third world just to get by LOLOLOLOL.
Stop projecting so much its a really bad look LOLOLOLOL.
MarquisdeSade1
12-29-24, 06:36
That's fucking low. Little people can't really do much about our weight. We have the same sized organs as you do, packed onto a smaller frame. I wouldn't make fun of you for your horns or tail, and you shouldn't make fun of my weight.
As to "facts to back that up", the 4% low end is from this study, which says "if all death-sentenced defendants remained under sentence of death indefinitely at least 4. 1% would be exonerated. We conclude that this is a conservative estimate of the proportion of false conviction among death sentences in the United States. ".
https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1306417111
The 12% upper end is from this.
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/research/analysis/reports/special-reports/dpic-special-report-the-innocence-epidemic
Now I believe 12% is probably way too high, but more likely to be true than a $556,000 per year cost to imprison a murderer for life. That just applies to New York City, where the Bernie Bros control the city and state government. And that's their decision, whether they execute people or not. I don't live there so it's none of my business.
What I've seen indicates it costs more to impose the death penalty than life imprisonment without parole.
From 1978 to around 2010, California's death penalty system cost about $4 billion more than a system with life imprisonment:
https://digitalcommons.lmu.edu/llr/vol46/iss0/1/
Death penalty cases in Kansas cost an estimated 70% more than cases in which the death penalty wasn't sought, including the cost of incarceration:
https://www.ksabolition.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Cost-Workshop-Handout.pdf
The death penalty in Washington state costs about $1 million more in costs per case compared to cases where the death penalty is not sought. This study included the cost of incarceration too:
https://law.seattleu.edu/media/school-of-law/documents/centers-and-institutes/korematsu-center/initiatives-and-projects/defender-initiative/The-Economic-Costs-of-Seeking-the-Death-Penalty-in-WA.pdf
Now, what you truly fail to appreciate is this:
If people like me were in charge of the penal system, we'd make incarcerating those murderers a paying proposition! Contrary to what you say, I believe prisoners should, in the words of Milton Friedman, be Free to Choose. So I'd give them a choice, eat prison gruel and lead a difficult life. Or volunteer to work for Tiny's Global Solutions Inc! We'd have them cleaning up radioactive waste, rent them out as mercenaries, and so on. And we wouldn't pay them anything! Just provide lobster, steak and cheap hookers! I bet we could get 90% of them to go for that over prison gruel! And make a bundle!
And yes you do favor execution of innocents. If you impose a death penalty, you WILL execute innocent people. Using the lower end, 4%, there's a very good chance that one or more of the 37 people on death row whose sentences were commuted by Biden were innocent. Please note that 4% x 37 = 1.5 innocents saved!
Parasitic turd in the view of you and your Economic Heroes (Bernie Sanders, Karl Marx and Juan Peron.) But not me and mine!
As to your link, we don't know exactly what the money in his "Believe in People" foundation will be spent on. But based on his book by the same name, we should expect that an outsized portion or the majority will be spent on education, health care innovation, and community development.
But Charles Koch's bigger contribution to humanity and America was through his leadership of Koch Industries. During his time as CEO, Koch grew from fewer than 500 employees and $187 million in revenues to 120,000 employees and revenues of $125 billion. The company provided lots of jobs, and products that benefit all of us. Thank goodness for people like Charles Koch! And his principled support of free market ideas and libertarianism is just the icing on the cake!Well I believe Libertarians only oppose prisons because they don't want to be put in there for not following the laws all of us should follow!! Ie PAYING THEIR TAXES.
If death penalty opponents are so opposed to killing innocents why can't they show it actually does that, I've never EVER seen 1 single credible case.
You mention the higher cost, well that's from worthless attys that have nothing better to do then appeal appeal appeal and that costs the state millions.
So to make sure NONE of them are innocent.
You can't tell me a savage killer gets 56 appeals over 20 years with 200 attys but still gets executed and is innocent, NOT a chance.
Libertarians resent govt power espec their power to kill savages, it scares them!! But don't worry don't be a scumbag savage and they won't!!
As to your link, we don't know exactly what the money in his "Believe in People" foundation will be spent on. But based on his book by the same name, we should expect that an outsized portion or the majority will be spent on education, health care innovation, and community development.
I think its say on illegal aliens!! They make slavery in 2025 possible!!
I think it's a whole lot simpler. Just look at the numbers. The Democrats have done a much better job of gerrymandering House districts than Republicans. I addressed that before:From 1946 until at least 1968 the districts you're referring to as "Democrat" were the same regional voters who vote for MAGA Repubs now. The Democratic Party lost them when they passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. If they were cheating as Dems then they are cheating as Repubs now and since at least 1968.
Aside from that, any assertion of which Party gets the most House votes is utterly and totally irrelevant until and unless gerrymandering is outlawed.
Where there is no gerrymandering, such as Senate and Presidential elections, Dem candidates have proven to get far more votes than Repub candidates more often than not for decades and decades.
Let's see what happens when there is no gerrymandering of any districts. Until then, any claim to anything regarding "more votes across the country" is meaningless blather.
And you and anyone else has zero or less than zero argument that Dem voters get THEIR fair share of Senate representation as long as every state only gers 2 Senators regardless of the number of votes for Dem vs Repub candidates or THEIR fair share of Presidential representation as long as the vote counts for the 2000 and 2016 have not been wiped from the record books on President-UNelect Musk's order.
We already have a 6 Seat MAGA Repub SCOTUS Majority put there either by Repub so-called presidents who were awarded the presidency despite getting FEWER votes than the Dem candidate or by Repub Moscow Mitch cheating like burning hell to put them there.
Isn't that enough cheating, rigging and stealing your unfair share of American governance? Now you want NC to steal the House Majority for your beloved Repubs without anyone mentioning or objecting to it too?
Ah, that's better.
Now it is almost unanimous among the Presidents-UNelect and their Assistant, Trump; you MAGA Repubs who think Immigrants are taking YOUR jobs and were suckered into voting for the Assistant on the premise that either he or his bosses would do a damn thing about it are retarded, too dumb to be trained and simply unworthy of being hired for those good, well-paying AMERICAN jobs with a real future.
President-UNelect Bannon is the lone holdout on that conclusion. But his Chinese billionaire buddy who has been supporting him for several years will probably bring him around to that prevailing Musk / Ramaswamy Administration sentiment too fairly soon.
Trump says H-1 B visa program is 'great' amid MAGA feud over tech workers.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/28/trump-says-h-1b-visa-program-is-great-amid-maga-feud-over-tech-workers.html?__source=androidappshare
MarquisdeSade1
12-29-24, 07:25
He just sounds like another neoconservative, racist, Indian-bashing, ex-Republican Democrat to me.Racist? Seriously? I didn't hear one racist word, are you really Spidy?
Indian bashing? Really I didn't hear that.
I don't have anything against Indians, I might visit India this spring?
But I've never heard anyone say anything good about them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orIFs72HGmM
"I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. " This is a typical example, a quote none other than from Winston Churchill.
Not even in White House, but crazy Trump already play Putin with Canada, Groenland and Panama. Do like Ukraine, resist to this crazy dangerous. For me, same like I don t buy shit chinese products, I won t buy USA products under Trump, when I trust more European quality than Boeing or Tesla. Better to isolate crazy like Trump, Netanyahou and Putin.
With all this talk about lying, cheating, stealing, election-rigging House Repubs never getting their fair share of House seats considering the utterly irrelevant total national vote count in a world of extreme Repub gerrymandering showed them with a minor utterly irrelevant edge, I suddenly remembered that, by golly, there has been Congressional legislation proposed and put up for a vote in the House and the Senate meant to make it so wonderfully fair the Repubs could count on riding that now utterly irrelevant national vote count edge to a permanent Repub Majority!
Therefore, that legislation banning partisan gerrymandering MUST have been proposed by Repubs, overwhelmingly supported and voted for by Repubs and rejected and blocked by Dems, right?
Uh. No.
For the People Act/The Freedom to Vote Act
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_People_Act
The Freedom to Vote Act (formerly known as the For the People Act), introduced as H.R. 1, is a bill in the United States Congress intended to expand voting rights, change campaign finance laws to reduce the influence of money in politics, ban partisan gerrymandering, and create new ethics rules for federal officeholders.
The act was originally introduced by John Sarbanes in 2019, on behalf of the newly elected Democratic majority in the United States House of Representatives as the first official legislation of the 116th United States Congress. The House passed the bill on March 8, by a party-line vote of 234193. The bill was viewed as a "signature piece of legislation" from the Democratic House majority. After the House passed the bill, it was blocked from receiving a vote by the then Republican-controlled Senate, under Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.
In 2021, in the 117th Congress, congressional Democrats reintroduced the act as H.R. 1 and S. 1. On March 3, 2021, the bill passed the House of Representatives on a near party-line vote of 220210, advancing to the Senate, which was split 5050 between Democrats and Republicans (with Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris holding the tie-breaking vote), and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer vowed to bring it to the floor for a vote. On June 22, 2021, a vote on the bill was held in the Senate. It received unified support from the Democratic caucus, but Senate Republicans blocked the bill with a filibuster, as it lacked the 60 votes needed to invoke cloture after a party-line vote.TO RECAP:
The legislation was introduced by a Democrat, in a Democratic Party House Majority, multiple times. It was originally introduced by the Dems as their FIRST official legislation after winning the Majority in the House. It was that important to them even AFTER just winning the Majority under the then current gerrymandering conditions!
It was voted on BY Democrats on a party-line or near party-line vote every time but, also every time, BLOCKED by Repubs in the Senate.
Now, that is a puzzlement, isn't it?
What in the world were the Repubs thinking?
Don't Congressional Repubs know they have almost always gotten more national votes than Dems in this world of extreme gerrymandering but not getting their "fair share" of House Seats?
Hmm. From the part-line voting pattern on that bill and the consistent effort to BLOCK it by their Repub brothers in the Senate, I might conclude any talk about poor put-upon lying, cheating, stealing election-rigging Repubs not getting their "fair share" of House Seats is just so much partisan Repub BS.
In fact, I have come to that conclusion.
Congressional Repubs don't even want to come CLOSE to banning their precious and necessary extreme gerrymandering. They already know they need that and any lying, cheating, stealing election-rigging they can pull like they did in NC this time around in order to squeak out a Pink Tinkle or less majority every now and then.
There you go. Trump misspent around $700 billion. And Obama and Biden around a trillion dollars! Nobody knows what a lot of that was even spent on. And you and the other Bernie Bros still believe we should keep shoveling more and more money to an inefficient and wasteful federal government?Are you down with spending 86 million USD for mass deportations?
"MAGAs unworthy of being hired to work at real jobs have only themselves to blame for why those who suckered them must still bring in lots of Immigrants to take their jobs".
Sounds like quintessential sour grapes, I live in a bad ass Penthouse and I don't know anyone that needs to move to the third world just to get by LOLOLOLOL.
Stop projecting so much its a really bad look LOLOLOLOL.I thought you lived in a crime-ridden, homeless enclave hellscape city run by Dems?
Is your penthouse high enough to be beyond shooting range?
Sounds like you love it.
After I dried my eyes from weeping over the poor House Repubs being either too stupid to support or not block the Dems' repeated attempts to ban partisan gerrymandering and thereby allow their utterly irrelevant minor edge in total national House votes provide them with their "fair share" of House Seats or too addicted to the extreme gerrymandering and election-rigging they employ and risk losing the House Majority far into the future, I decided to do a little research to see just how unfairly poor put-upon Repub Senators and their constituents are treated by the current misapportionment rigged in Repubs' favor:
The 20232024 U.S. Senate Is Exceedingly Unrepresentative in Multiple Ways
https://mettlinger.medium.com/the-2023-senate-will-be-exceedingly-unrepresentative-72d39f83847a
For starters, the population of states represented by Democratic senators sum to 36% more people than the population of states represented by Republican senators 204 million compared to 150 million but the Democrats only have the slimmest possible Senate majority at 51/49. Those in states that voted for Democratic senators are underrepresented.Democratic senators represent 43 million more people than their Republican counterparts.
https://www.vox.com/2021/12/20/22846504/senate-joe-manchin-build-back-better-democrats-republicans-43-million
Because smaller states tend to be whiter and more conservative than larger states, the constitutional design of the Senate, which gives each state two senators regardless of its population, offers Republicans an enormous advantage in the fight for control of the Senate. Indeed, if the Senate were anything that could fairly be described as a democratic institution, Democrats would control closer to 56 or 57 seats, rather than only holding 50 seats in the Senate.Well.
Needless to say but I suspect I better say it anyway just to clear up any confusion; I will not be weeping for mythical poor put-upon and unfairly underseated Senate Repubs and even more mythical underrepresented Repub State constituents any more that I or anyone else should have ever shed a single tear for poor put-upon mythical underseated House Repubs and their even more mythical underrepresented Repub constituents.
And don't anybody even think about expecting me to shed a tear for the poor put-upon Repub MAGA 6 Majority in the Supreme Court, virtually all of whom were placed there by Repub so-called potuses who didn't win more votes than their Dem opponent or who were shoe-horned into it via outrageous Repub Senate lying, cheating, stealing and rigging.
NEXT UP:
Now that I have regained my composure after all the weeping and tears shed over poor put-upon House, Senate and SCOTUS Members not getting their "fair share" of seats and voice in this overwhelmingly rigged-in-favor-of-Repubs representative democracy, perhaps I will do a little research and keep an eye out for when and which Party boldly and fairly promotes and supports vs which Party opposes abolishing the demonstrably undemocratic Electoral College system even when the supporting Party lost the popular vote to its opposition by a pussy hair in order to make sure every vote counts the same as every other vote regardless where you live.
Oh look! Here it is already:
Senate Democrats push plan to abolish Electoral College.
12/16/2024
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5043206-senate-democrats-abolish-electoral-college/
Indian bashing? Really I didn't hear that.
I don't have anything against Indians, I might visit India this spring?
But I've never heard anyone say anything good about them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orIFs72HGmM
"I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. " This is a typical example, a quote none other than from Winston Churchill.What's that phrase Bernie Bros are so fond of? Cognitive dissonance? Maybe it doesn't apply here though as you probably don't feel any discomfort about bashing people you don't have anything against.
If death penalty opponents are so opposed to killing innocents why can't they show it actually does that, I've never EVER seen 1 single credible case.
As a regular viewer of Death Row Stories, all I can say is incredible. You're woefully ignorant on this subject.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates
Isn't that enough cheating, rigging and stealing your unfair share of American governance? Now you want NC to steal the House Majority for your beloved Repubs without anyone mentioning or objecting to it too?For the third time, your party has received an average of 9 more House seats than it deserved in elections since 1946. To use your words (I'd be more diplomatic), the only way you can explain that is that Democrats have done a better job of "cheating, rigging and stealing (an) unfair share of American governance."
As to North Carolina,
So, Republicans are up to the same dirty tricks in North Carolina that Democrats (and Republicans) have been up to in other states for at least the last 78 years. Here are some stats for comparison.
North Carolina: Harris received 47.6% of the popular vote; House Democrats got 28.6% of the seats.
New York: Trump 44%; House Republicans 27%
Illinois: Trump 44%; House Republicans 18%
Oregon: Trump 41%; House Republicans 17%
New Mexico: Trump 46%; House Republicans 0%
With all this talk about lying, cheating, stealing, election-rigging House Repubs never getting their fair share of House seats considering the utterly irrelevant total national vote count in a world of extreme Repub gerrymandering showed them with a minor utterly irrelevant edge, I suddenly remembered that, by golly, there has been Congressional legislation proposed and put up for a vote in the House and the Senate meant to make it so wonderfully fair the Repubs could count on riding that now utterly irrelevant national vote count edge to a permanent Repub Majority!
Therefore, that legislation banning partisan gerrymandering MUST have been proposed by Repubs, overwhelmingly supported and voted for by Repubs and rejected and blocked by Dems, right?
Uh. No.
For the People Act/The Freedom to Vote Act
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_People_Act
TO RECAP:
The legislation was introduced by a Democrat, in a Democratic Party House Majority, multiple times. It was originally introduced by the Dems as their FIRST official legislation after winning the Majority in the House. It was that important to them even AFTER just winning the Majority under the then current gerrymandering conditions!
It was voted on BY Democrats on a party-line or near party-line vote every time but, also every time, BLOCKED by Repubs in the Senate.
Now, that is a puzzlement, isn't it?
What in the world were the Repubs thinking?
Don't Congressional Repubs know they have almost always gotten more national votes than Dems in this world of extreme gerrymandering but not getting their "fair share" of House Seats?
Hmm. From the part-line voting pattern on that bill and the consistent effort to BLOCK it by their Repub brothers in the Senate, I might conclude any talk about poor put-upon lying, cheating, stealing election-rigging Repubs not getting their "fair share" of House Seats is just so much partisan Repub BS.
In fact, I have come to that conclusion.
Congressional Repubs don't even want to come CLOSE to banning their precious and necessary extreme gerrymandering. They already know they need that and any lying, cheating, stealing election-rigging they can pull like they did in NC this time around in order to squeak out a Pink Tinkle or less majority every now and then.Another deceptive post. Reading your link, provisions about Congressional gerrymandering were a small part of the proposed legislation. Republicans would have been crazy not to agree with that, provided the mechanism for selecting the independent members of the re-districting commissions was truly fair. That's because the crafty Democrats beat them like a drum at the re-districting game.
Otherwise the proposed bill was a partisan grab bag of provisions that would make elections less secure, and that Democratic Party politicians believed would help them at the polls. Well, they believed wrong. The legislation assumes Democrats are too lazy to go to the polls so if it's ridiculously easy to vote, that will favor Democrats. The 2021 Senate runoffs and 2022 elections have shown that theory to be wrong. Democrats are as motivated to vote as Republicans.
Ah, that's better.
Now it is almost unanimous among the Presidents-UNelect and their Assistant, Trump; you MAGA Repubs who think Immigrants are taking YOUR jobs and were suckered into voting for the Assistant on the premise that either he or his bosses would do a damn thing about it are retarded, too dumb to be trained and simply unworthy of being hired for those good, well-paying AMERICAN jobs with a real future.
President-UNelect Bannon is the lone holdout on that conclusion. But his Chinese billionaire buddy who has been supporting him for several years will probably bring him around to that prevailing Musk / Ramaswamy Administration sentiment too fairly soon.
Trump says H-1 B visa program is 'great' amid MAGA feud over tech workers.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/28/trump-says-h-1b-visa-program-is-great-amid-maga-feud-over-tech-workers.html?__source=androidappshareStephen Miller and the Marquesa will be proud of you.
MarquisdeSade1
12-29-24, 21:23
Ah, that's better.
Now it is almost unanimous among the Presidents-UNelect and their Assistant, Trump; you MAGA Repubs who think Immigrants are taking YOUR jobs and were suckered into voting for the Assistant on the premise that either he or his bosses would do a damn thing about it are retarded, too dumb to be trained and simply unworthy of being hired for those good, well-paying AMERICAN jobs with a real future.
President-UNelect Bannon is the lone holdout on that conclusion. But his Chinese billionaire buddy who has been supporting him for several years will probably bring him around to that prevailing Musk / Ramaswamy Administration sentiment too fairly soon.
Trump says H-1 B visa program is 'great' amid MAGA feud over tech workers.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/28/trump-says-h-1b-visa-program-is-great-amid-maga-feud-over-tech-workers.html?__source=androidappsharehttps://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/dick-morris-h-1b-visas-immigration/2024/12/28/id/1193190/
For the third time, your party has received an average of 9 more House seats than it deserved in elections since 1946. To use your words (I'd be more diplomatic), the only way you can explain that is that Democrats have done a better job of "cheating, rigging and stealing (an) unfair share of American governance.When the Repub Majority in the Senate was presented the bill from the House they could have put it up for discussion, debate and eliminated any parts of it that did not give Repubs the usual lying, cheating, stealing and election-rigging advantage they need in order to ever squeak out so much as a Pink Tinkle Majority in the House ever again and sent it back to the House for confirmation.
Presumably, according to you, that would have been leaving in only the ban on partisan gerrymandering.
Did they do that?
Nope.
Moscow Mitch, who knows everything there is to know about how Repubs EVER win Congressional seats at all much less Majorities through lying, cheating, stealing and election-rigging simply blocked the whole thing without discussion.
Stop trying to get away with deceiving about how and why there are ever Repub controls of any Branch of Government other than through their cheating or relying on structural election-rigging to do it. The facts will never support you on that contention no matter how much you lean on a mathematic premise pulled out of the air in a world of extreme Repub gerrymandering.
If the total number of votes across the country determined which Party was granted the House Majority then Dems would campaign like crazy to get out the vote in California and New York districts they're going to win anyway just to jack up their national vote count, wouldn't they?
As would Repubs in Florida and Texas, I suppose.
Which would mean absolutely nothing in THIS reality where all those extra votes for Dems in Blue State districts and extra votes for Repubs in Red State districts don't mean a damn thing but wasted campaign time and money except to an eccentric pretend "Bothsider / Neithersider" MAGA Repub on a *monger's website clutching at anything that will make his beloved Repubs look pretty.
So stop with the silliness.
MarquisdeSade1
12-29-24, 21:28
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/trump-harris-celebrity/2024/12/28/id/1193138/
Stephen Miller and the Marquesa will be proud of you.What would a MAGA Leader who up until this moment has been conning sucker MAGA voters into believing Immigrants are allowed in "to take YOUR jobs", who is slavishly devoted to the man those suckers voted for because he claimed "107% of all the new jobs Biden created (many in tech, BTW) were given to illegal aliens" and one of the proudest suckers of all time who fell for and swallowed their con hook, line and sinker have to be proud of me for?
For being one of millions now pointing out the con and humiliating victimization of it?
Well, I appreciate the recognition then.
MarquisdeSade1
12-29-24, 22:46
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/29/us/jimmy-carter
He was a nice guy, that's way more than can be said about most around here.
MarquisdeSade1
12-29-24, 22:51
I have been so preoccupied with enjoying the Winter Wonderland Christmas festivities here in the Land of Smiles, the delicious buffets, live entertainment, fireworks, good times and fun I had completely missed the opening shots of the Civil War between the MAGAs and the Con Artists who suckered them into voting for Trump.
It seems the short hand version of this so far is that Ramaswamy, Musk, Boomer, Bannon, everybody who is important and calling the shots in the upcoming Trump's Pandemic and Economic Disaster Part 2 are locked, loaded and taking aim at the MAGAs Trump suckered and each other, admitting the Big Con was that dumb, lazy MAGAs, unworthy of being hired to work at real jobs have only themselves to blame for why those who suckered them must still bring in lots of Immigrants to take their jobs, that the Bull Shit Department of Government Efficiency was set up by Con Man Trump only to make MAGA suckers think they are saving money for them when in fact it is meant to take money from them and make him and his billionaire buddies wealthier. Lololol. Fun stuff.
So I did a search on the topic to catch up a bit more and discovered this very interesting overview of what is going on by Steve Schmidt, a former Repub Party campaign strategist and advisor who knows the Big Repub Con very, very well.
An 8:56 minute video well worth the time:
https://youtu.be/QQttuiH8gfY?si=hV50vLhOtItPb6mCHe's probably one of this worthless pro low slave wages and extremely low to no taxes Libertarians.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/29/opinion/elon-musk-china-classified-secrets-national-security-russia-doge.html
Mainstream Media will probably justifiably praise Carter's foreign policy accomplishments.
But I suspect they will continue to be so lazy as to simply parrot the false Repub spin that his economic policies failed.
Aside from his demand that the Congressional Budget require companies and corporations to offer the same terrific 401 K deferred tax retirement investment deal to their rank and file employees as to their Executive class, a truly life-altering positive advance for the American Working Men and Women, his Fed Chairman Appointee's reversal of the inflation he inherited into a steady decline and so on, Carter's average annual job gains results blows away that of every president since 1925 except FDR, LBJ and, waiting until the final results are in, probably Biden.
Damn good results considering he also inherited Nixon / Ford's Arab Oil Embargo energy crisis.
Jobs created during U.S. presidential terms
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms
Stop trying to get away with deceiving about how and why there are ever Repub controls of any Branch of Government other than through their cheating or relying on structural election-rigging to do it. The facts will never support you on that contention no matter how much you lean on a mathematic premise pulled out of the air in a world of extreme Repub gerrymandering.LOL. LOL. LOL. Sorry for the repetition. Struggling to get to the 10 character minimum.
Your opinion of wasteful depends upon who is spending the money and on what!
Are you down with spending 86 million USD for mass deportations?I agree with your title Subcommander. Please take a look at the Marquesa's original post for context:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2971384#post2971384.
I wish I could read all of his link to know more, but it appears that the federal government doesn't even know how a big chunk of that money was spent! Or at least they're not telling.
As to your question, you mean $86 billion for mass deportations? How many people would they deport for the $86 billion? And what are they doing now? For example, are the majority narcos and thieves, or people doing jobs like meat packing that citizens don't want to do? Regardless, whether illegal immigrants are deported or converted to guest workers, they should be in compliance with the law.
MarquisdeSade1
12-30-24, 01:45
I agree with your title Subcommander. Please take a look at the Marquesa's original post for context:
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2971384#post2971384.
I wish I could read all of his link to know more, but it appears that the federal government doesn't even know how a big chunk of that money was spent! Or at least they're not telling.
As to your question, you mean $86 billion for mass deportations? How many people would they deport for the $86 billion? And what are they doing now? For example, are the majority narcos and thieves, or people doing jobs like meat packing that citizens don't want to do? Regardless, whether illegal immigrants are deported or converted to guest workers, they should be in compliance with the law."people doing jobs like meat packing that citizens don't want to do".
There are ZERO jobs Americans don't want to do, but there are plenty than many people rather not do for Slave wages under Slave like conditions!!
Mainstream Media will probably justifiably praise Carter's foreign policy accomplishments.
But I suspect they will continue to be so lazy as to simply parrot the false Repub spin that his economic policies failed.
Aside from his demand that the Congressional Budget require companies and corporations to offer the same terrific 401 K deferred tax retirement investment deal to their rank and file employees as to their Executive class, a truly life-altering positive advance for the American Working Men and Women, his Fed Chairman Appointee's reversal of the inflation he inherited into a steady decline and so on, Carter's average annual job gains results blows away that of every president since 1925 except FDR, LBJ and, waiting until the final results are in, probably Biden.
Damn good results considering he also inherited Nixon / Ford's Arab Oil Embargo energy crisis.
Jobs created during U.S. presidential terms
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_termsCarter was a good man. If there's a heaven, he's there.
When he left office, inflation was 12.5%. The unemployment rate was 7. 5%. A recession started 6 months after he left, due largely to tight monetary policy engineered by Paul Volcker. Unemployment peaked at 10.8% during said recession.
Carter deserves lots of credit for replacing his first appointee as Fed Chairman, William Miller, with Volcker. Miller's policies were largely responsible for a huge decline in the value of the dollar and out of control inflation. Carter may have realized that replacing Miller with an inflation hawk (Volcker) was the death knell for his re-election chances. But he did it anyway. Kudos to Carter. And kudos to Reagan for keeping Volcker at the helm. Their decisions to support Vocker were exactly the opposite of what a president should do to meet the Tooms stamp of approval (encourage high GDP and employment growth at all costs). But they were what was right for the United States of America. Yes, we went through a couple of recessions, or one long one in the view of some. But the Fed brought inflation under control, and we didn't go the way of Argentina or Brazil.
After I dried my eyes from weeping over the poor House Repubs being either too stupid to support or not block the Dems' repeated attempts to ban partisan gerrymandering and thereby allow their utterly irrelevant minor edge in total national House votes provide them with their "fair share" of House Seats or too addicted to the extreme gerrymandering and election-rigging they employ and risk losing the House Majority far into the future, I decided to do a little research to see just how unfairly poor put-upon Repub Senators and their constituents are treated by the current misapportionment rigged in Repubs' favor:
The 20232024 U.S. Senate Is Exceedingly Unrepresentative in Multiple Ways
https://mettlinger.medium.com/the-2023-senate-will-be-exceedingly-unrepresentative-72d39f83847a
Democratic senators represent 43 million more people than their Republican counterparts.
https://www.vox.com/2021/12/20/22846504/senate-joe-manchin-build-back-better-democrats-republicans-43-million
Well.
Needless to say but I suspect I better say it anyway just to clear up any confusion; I will not be weeping for mythical poor put-upon and unfairly underseated Senate Repubs and even more mythical underrepresented Repub State constituents any more that I or anyone else should have ever shed a single tear for poor put-upon mythical underseated House Repubs and their even more mythical underrepresented Repub constituents.
And don't anybody even think about expecting me to shed a tear for the poor put-upon Repub MAGA 6 Majority in the Supreme Court, virtually all of whom were placed there by Repub so-called potuses who didn't win more votes than their Dem opponent or who were shoe-horned into it via outrageous Repub Senate lying, cheating, stealing and rigging.
NEXT UP:
Now that I have regained my composure after all the weeping and tears shed over poor put-upon House, Senate and SCOTUS Members not getting their "fair share" of seats and voice in this overwhelmingly rigged-in-favor-of-Repubs representative democracy, perhaps I will do a little research and keep an eye out for when and which Party boldly and fairly promotes and supports vs which Party opposes abolishing the demonstrably undemocratic Electoral College system even when the supporting Party lost the popular vote to its opposition by a pussy hair in order to make sure every vote counts the same as every other vote regardless where you live.
Oh look! Here it is already:
Senate Democrats push plan to abolish Electoral College.
12/16/2024
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5043206-senate-democrats-abolish-electoral-college/The founders saw fit to allocate Senate seats by state. If you and other Democrats don't like it you can try to pass a constitutional amendment.
Any advantage Republicans have in the electoral college is small and transient. Statisticians say that if the popular vote margin is 1% or less, the candidate that loses the popular vote has a 40% probability of winning the electoral vote. That's what happened in 2000. And contrary to your assertions, Bush didn't cheat his way to victory. Using the Florida Counties' vote-counting methodology, he would have won without the Supreme Court decision according to the definitive post mortem conducted by media organizations. As to 2016, it was a combination of a fluke, a black swan event, and Trump busting his ass during the last part of the campaign in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan.
Good luck with the plan to abolish the electoral college, haha.
On the other hand, there are no structural reasons why Democrats get more seats in the House than they deserve. They're just better at cheating.
MarquisdeSade1
12-30-24, 03:24
What's that phrase Bernie Bros are so fond of? Cognitive dissonance? Maybe it doesn't apply here though as you probably don't feel any discomfort about bashing people you don't have anything against.
As a regular viewer of Death Row Stories, all I can say is incredible. You're woefully ignorant on this subject.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmateshttps://www.breitbart.com/news/chinese-man-sentenced-to-death-for-killing-35-people-after-driving-into-a-crowd/
You're such a complete and unapologetic / obsequious RIMMER of Mr Xi.
Is this guy innocent too? LMFAO.
Line up all the SAVAGES Ill volunteer!! I hate fucking criminals!!
Not even in White House, but crazy Trump already play Putin with Canada, Groenland and Panama. Do like Ukraine, resist to this crazy dangerous. For me, same like I don t buy shit chinese products, I won t buy USA products under Trump, when I trust more European quality than Boeing or Tesla. Better to isolate crazy like Trump, Netanyahou and Putin.Does senile Trump have his balls in Putin hand, after Moscow party? After Georgia. Good, Ukraine resist like a lion.
Carter was a good man. If there's a heaven, he's there.
When he left office, inflation was 12.5%. The unemployment rate was 7. 5%. A recession started 6 months after he left, due largely to tight monetary policy engineered by Paul Volcker. Unemployment peaked at 10.8% during said recession.
Carter deserves lots of credit for replacing his first appointee as Fed Chairman, William Miller, with Volcker. Miller's policies were largely responsible for a huge decline in the value of the dollar and out of control inflation. Carter may have realized that replacing Miller with an inflation hawk (Volcker) was the death knell for his re-election chances. But he did it anyway. Kudos to Carter. And kudos to Reagan for keeping Volcker at the helm. Their decisions to support Vocker were exactly the opposite of what a president should do to meet the Tooms stamp of approval (encourage high GDP and employment growth at all costs). But they were what was right for the United States of America. Yes, we went through a couple of recessions, or one long one in the view of some. But the Fed brought inflation under control, and we didn't go the way of Argentina or Brazil.
When he left office, inflation was 12.5%. The unemployment rate was 7. 5%. A recession started 6 months after he left, due largely to tight monetary policy engineered by Paul Volcker. Unemployment peaked at 10.8% during said recession.The inflation and unemployment rates, the latter of which spiked up to 7. 8% for only one month under Carter in mid 1980 due to the Fed's purposely induced mini recession, had been steadily declining since mid 1980 and continued to decline well into Reagan's first year in office.
I sure wouldn't want anyone to be inadvertantly deceived into thinking Carter handed Reagan a rising inflation or unemployment rate based on the missing words in your post.
But he did hand Reagan one of the best jobs creation conditions in 100 years, certainly better than any Repub immediately before or after him in that same economically challenging period, no quagmire, counterproductive wars and a perfectly reasonable and manageable National Debt and deficit.
If only an incoming Dem could be so lucky following an outgoing Repub just once every 100 years or so.
Hey, if it worked for Matt Gaetz. It could work for you too!
https://www.aol.com/customer-appreciation-gaetz-report-uses-222852053.html
Yeah, you only need to see, that the impaired moral judgment, of one Matt Gaetz, is totally beyond repair.
As clearly when he found out she was 17, keep in contact and continued sex relations with her, 3-months later when she turned 18. Clearly this wasn't a representative of congress or someone with any moral compunction, to be turned off or turned away by the idea of paying for sex with minors.
In fact quite the opposite, as the ethics report shows Gaetz, repeatedly engaged in such behavior and calls some of it, statutory rape!
Queue the Gaetz sympathizers, INCEL, "He-Man" Woman Haters and misogynists, applauding this disgusting, deplorable behavior.
4 key findings from the House Ethics report on Matt Gaetz misconduct allegations
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/4-key-findings-from-the-house-ethics-report-on-matt-gaetz-misconduct-allegations
"The House Ethics committee released its report on allegations against former Rep. Matt Gaetz and found substantial evidence of paying women for sex, having sex with a minor, as well as using and possessing illegal drugs."
"The Committee determined there is substantial evidence that Representative Gaetz violated House Rules and other standards of conduct prohibiting prostitution, statutory rape, illicit drug use, impermissible gifts, special favors or privileges, and obstruction of Congress, the report said." The report posted on AP: https://apnews.com/politics/matt-gaetz-house-ethics-report-00000193f4ccde25add3f4dd46e30000
The dumpster fire, that is the gross miscarriage of justice, as to why Gaetz wasn't charged and criminally indicted, judging from the House Ethics committee report, is akin to the strange case of pedo Jeffery Epstein's slap on the wrist and no jail time, for running a criminal enterprise, sex trafficking and pay for sex with minors, unlike Joel Greenberg.
No doubt, there is obviously, a good deal of nefarious politicking was going on, as to why those in the DOJ and LE have decided to look the other way and turned a blind eye, to Gaetz's blatant and alleged criminal activities.
From Trump, Tuberville, Christofacist Mike Johnson, Sen. Lindsey Graham, to the all the Gaetz numskull sympathizers and INCELS, this is the guy y'all wanted as AG? (....kkkk!)
Mainstream Media will probably justifiably praise Carter's foreign policy accomplishments.
But I suspect they will continue to be so lazy as to simply parrot the false Repub spin that his economic policies failed.
Aside from his demand that the Congressional Budget require companies and corporations to offer the same terrific 401 K deferred tax retirement investment deal to their rank and file employees as to their Executive class, a truly life-altering positive advance for the American Working Men and Women, his Fed Chairman Appointee's reversal of the inflation he inherited into a steady decline and so on, Carter's average annual job gains results blows away that of every president since 1925 except FDR, LBJ and, waiting until the final results are in, probably Biden.
Damn good results considering he also inherited Nixon / Ford's Arab Oil Embargo energy crisis.
Jobs created during U.S. presidential terms
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_termsAgreed on the job creation numbers for Dems, which have always been the strongest in history.
What I'd love to know is, for a debater who loves to use ChatGPT, why hasn't he used ChatGPT to dispute the "...50 million jobs created under Dems Presidents to a poultry 1 million created by Repubs, since 1989. Or go back the last 100 for that matter...", as nonsense or a myth?
The inflation and unemployment rates, the latter of which spiked up to 7. 8% for only one month under Carter in mid 1980 due to the Fed's purposely induced mini recession, had been steadily declining since mid 1980 and continued to decline well into Reagan's first year in office.
I sure wouldn't want anyone to be inadvertantly deceived into thinking Carter handed Reagan a rising inflation or unemployment rate based on the missing words in your post.
But he did hand Reagan one of the best jobs creation conditions in 100 years, certainly better than any Repub immediately before or after him in that same economically challenging period, no quagmire, counterproductive wars and a perfectly reasonable and manageable National Debt and deficit.
If only an incoming Dem could be so lucky following an outgoing Repub just once every 100 years or so.The Fed Funds rate when Reagan took office in January, 1981 was 19.1%. YoY CPI inflation was 11.8% (not 12.5%, sorry). In other words, short term interest rates were around 7. 3% higher than the inflation rate! The Fed was running a very tight ship, to stamp out high inflation.
With that kind of monetary policy, it wouldn't have mattered if Carter had been re-elected. The USA still would had a recession in 1981, and a soaring unemployment rate. Fed policy was what was driving employment and GDP growth, or rather lack thereof, not the Political Party the President belonged to.
During 1973 to 1981, energy prices were largely what drove inflation. And with respect to energy, Carter didn't exactly do a bang up job. Admittedly, he didn't do any worse than Nixon. But his excise tax on oil (the poorly named Windfall Profits Tax) and bizarre regulatory regime for natural gas were NOT what the doctor ordered. If he'd gone at it like Trump from the start of his term ("Drill Baby Drill") things would have been somewhat different.
As to your photos about the handoff from Biden to Trump and vice versa, yes, Trump has been set up for a fall. If he does the right thing, like Carter and Reagan did when they entrusted monetary policy to Volcker, the USA may indeed suffer through a recession. The federal debt and the deficit spending are out of control. Credit card defaults are at the highest level since 2010. Inflation's still higher than the Fed's target, and monetary policy is tight. Except for the credit card defaults, this argues for fiscal restraint. We should be reducing deficits. If instead Trump and the Republicans put the pedal to the metal, like the Democrats did in 2021 and 2022, and spend, spend, spend, then the good times will continue to roll.
At some point however the hangover will come. And better sooner than later. We don't want to end up like Greece, or worse.
An 8:56 minute video well worth the time:
https://youtu.be/QQttuiH8gfY?si=hV50vLhOtItPb6mC
He's probably one of this worthless pro low slave wages and extremely low to no taxes Libertarians.
I don't have anything against Indians, I might visit India this spring?
But I've never heard anyone say anything good about them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orIFs72HGmM
"I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. " This is a typical example, a quote none other than from Winston Churchill.The Trump organization probably has hired a ton more immigrants with H-1 B or H-2 visas than Ramaswamy's companies. And certainly Ramaswamy's biotech company paid much higher wages on average than Trump did. Trump was always looking to save a buck, and if that involved using illegal workers on 12 hour shifts with unsafe working conditions, so be it:
https://time.com/4465744/donald-trump-undocumented-workers/
And as to "low to no income taxes,' Trump's the master of the art. He and his accountants even figured out a way to convert $900 million of losses suffered by investors in his Atlantic City casinos to tax deductions he could use! Trump carried forward the deductions for many years and so completely avoided paying federal income tax for a long time.
So Marquesa, why do you go after Ramaswamy instead of Trump? Does it have something to do with his ethnicity?
MarquisdeSade1
12-30-24, 22:10
The Trump organization probably has hired a ton more immigrants with H-1 B or H-2 visas than Ramaswamy's companies. And certainly Ramaswamy's biotech company paid much higher wages on average than Trump did. Trump was always looking to save a buck, and if that involved using illegal workers on 12 hour shifts with unsafe working conditions, so be it:
https://time.com/4465744/donald-trump-undocumented-workers/
And as to "low to no income taxes,' Trump's the master of the art. He and his accountants even figured out a way to convert $900 million of losses suffered by investors in his Atlantic City casinos to tax deductions he could use! Trump carried forward the deductions for many years and so completely avoided paying federal income tax for a long time.
So Marquesa, why do you go after Ramaswamy instead of Trump? Does it have something to do with his ethnicity?I wasn't referencing Vivek I was referring to Elon.
Your idiotic anecdotes about Our Lord and Savior, may or may not be true, Time mag is a rag for the Oligarchy I wouldn't wipe my ass with.
Do you think they are above lying about him? Ala The Russian hoax etc etc etc etc etc.
But Our Lord and Savior has been Saved by the New Religion of the United States its called MAGA.
He wouldn't do those things again if he even ever did?
His Raison Detre isn't like Chas Kochs which is total slavery for all and Zero taxes for him, Hunger Games for everyone including Morbidly Obese Tina!! LMAO.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2024/12/30/elon-calms-down-musk-calls-for-major-reform-of-broken-h-1b-visa-system-despite-fiery-defense/
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/eric-schmitt-h-1b-visa/2024/12/29/id/1193241/
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2024/12/30/human-smuggler-arrested-in-texas-for-kidnapping-guatemalan-woman-forced-labor/
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2024/12/29/j-k-rowling-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-transgender-kid/
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/we-dont-need-more-legal-immigration-to-get-more-geniuses/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=article&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=more-in-tag&utm_term=first
https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2017/03/15/h1-b-visas-drive-u-s-workers-away-tech-jobs-depress-wages/
https://www.breitbart.com/border/2024/12/30/human-smuggler-arrested-in-texas-for-kidnapping-guatemalan-woman-forced-labor/
MarquisdeSade1
12-30-24, 23:50
The Trump organization probably has hired a ton more immigrants with H-1 B or H-2 visas than Ramaswamy's companies. And certainly Ramaswamy's biotech company paid much higher wages on average than Trump did. Trump was always looking to save a buck, and if that involved using illegal workers on 12 hour shifts with unsafe working conditions, so be it:
https://time.com/4465744/donald-trump-undocumented-workers/
And as to "low to no income taxes,' Trump's the master of the art. He and his accountants even figured out a way to convert $900 million of losses suffered by investors in his Atlantic City casinos to tax deductions he could use! Trump carried forward the deductions for many years and so completely avoided paying federal income tax for a long time.
So Marquesa, why do you go after Ramaswamy instead of Trump? Does it have something to do with his ethnicity?I was clearly talking about Musk, are you obsessed with race like the far left too? Or are you really Spidy also?
The Fed Funds rate when Reagan took office in January, 1981 was 19.1%. YoY CPI inflation was 11.8% (not 12.5%, sorry). In other words, short term interest rates were around 7. 3% higher than the inflation rate! The Fed was running a very tight ship, to stamp out high inflation.
With that kind of monetary policy, it wouldn't have mattered if Carter had been re-elected. The USA still would had a recession in 1981, and a soaring unemployment rate. Fed policy was what was driving employment and GDP growth, or rather lack thereof, not the Political Party the President belonged to.
During 1973 to 1981, energy prices were largely what drove inflation. And with respect to energy, Carter didn't exactly do a bang up job. Admittedly, he didn't do any worse than Nixon. But his excise tax on oil (the poorly named Windfall Profits Tax) and bizarre regulatory regime for natural gas were NOT what the doctor ordered. If he'd gone at it like Trump from the start of his term ("Drill Baby Drill") things would have been somewhat different.
As to your photos about the handoff from Biden to Trump and vice versa, yes, Trump has been set up for a fall. If he does the right thing, like Carter and Reagan did when they entrusted monetary policy to Volcker, the USA may indeed suffer through a recession. The federal debt and the deficit spending are out of control. Credit card defaults are at the highest level since 2010. Inflation's still higher than the Fed's target, and monetary policy is tight. Except for the credit card defaults, this argues for fiscal restraint. We should be reducing deficits. If instead Trump and the Republicans put the pedal to the metal, like the Democrats did in 2021 and 2022, and spend, spend, spend, then the good times will continue to roll.
At some point however the hangover will come. And better sooner than later. We don't want to end up like Greece, or worse.First of all, if as in Carter's hand off to Reagan, had a Repub president ever in the history of the Repub Party finished his term handing an incoming Dem president No Great Depression, No Great Recession, No Recession, not even a mini one, One of the 2-3 Best Average Annual Jobs Creation records in 100 years, a months and months-long Declining Inflation Rate, a months and months-long Declining Unemployment Rate that had only spiked up to 7. 8% for a single month before making its months and months' long Decline, having established a rule providing American Workers with one of the easiest no-brainer means to save and invest tax-deferred to a more secure retirement, No Quagmire and Counterproductive Wars, a perfectly reasonable and manageable National Debt and Deficit and a Peaceful Transfer of Power, even the Democratic Party would be joining the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media in demanding that his likeness be chiseled into Mount Rushmore as The Greatest Republican President of All Time.
Of course, him being a Dem, MSM looks at that Carter record and says, "Meh. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along. Well, at least he spent the next 40 years building affordable housing for low income Americans. But, damn, he didn't even create one They're Eating the Cats, They're Eating the Dogs headline for us to sell"!
And second, considering how consistantly polar opposite wrong prognostications for incoming Dem economic policy and stewardship "doom" vs incoming Repub economic policy and stewardship "greatness" have been for at least 100 years, there is no way in hell I would have bet an incoming Dem would have taken the economic conditions Reagan inherited from Carter and in 7 months plunged America into the Worst economic downturn since The Great Repub Depression and 14 months after that plunged America into a whopping ten consecutive months of greater than 10% Unemployment Rates.
That isn't what Dems do. If one wants that kind of dramatic turn around to economic disaster one must not vote for Dems. One must vote for Repubs directly, vote for a nothing Third Party candidate or choose not to vote, all of which are generally predictably destined to help put a Repub in the White House to accomplish that dramatic turnaround and decline anyway.
There would be a way for a Dem to avert that disastrous outcome, probably more than one, that Dem is going to choose the best one and do it.
The Repub will be too busy riding ponies, going fishing, clearing brush down at the ranch, sleeping or golfing, golfing and more golfing to even know or care if there is a way to avert it but given the chance he will definitely choose the absolute worst option. As is apparently contractually required of all Repub potuses.
MarquisdeSade1
12-31-24, 05:36
First of all, if as in Carter's hand off to Reagan, had a Repub president ever in the history of the Repub Party finished his term handing an incoming Dem president No Great Depression, No Great Recession, No Recession, not even a mini one, One of the 2-3 Best Average Annual Jobs Creation records in 100 years, a months and months-long Declining Inflation Rate, a months and months-long Declining Unemployment Rate that had only spiked up to 7. 8% for a single month before making its months and months' long Decline, having established a rule providing American Workers with one of the easiest no-brainer means to save and invest tax-deferred to a more secure retirement, No Quagmire and Counterproductive Wars, a perfectly reasonable and manageable National Debt and Deficit and a Peaceful Transfer of Power, even the Democratic Party would be joining the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media in demanding that his likeness be chiseled into Mount Rushmore as The Greatest Republican President of All Time.
Of course, him being a Dem, MSM looks at that Carter record and says, "Meh. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along. Well, at least he spent the next 40 years building affordable housing for low income Americans. But, damn, he didn't even create one They're Eating the Cats, They're Eating the Dogs headline for us to sell"!
And second, considering how consistantly polar opposite wrong prognostications for incoming Dem economic policy and stewardship "doom" vs incoming Repub economic policy and stewardship "greatness" have been for at least 100 years, there is no way in hell I would have bet an incoming Dem would have taken the economic conditions Reagan inherited from Carter and in 7 months plunged America into the Worst economic downturn since The Great Repub Depression and 14 months after that plunged America into a whopping ten consecutive months of greater than 10% Unemployment Rates.
That isn't what Dems do. If one wants that kind of dramatic turn around to economic disaster one must not vote for Dems. One must vote for Repubs directly, vote for a nothing Third Party candidate or choose not to vote, all of which are generally predictably destined to help put a Repub in the White House to accomplish that dramatic turnaround and decline anyway.
There would be a way for a Dem to avert that disastrous outcome, probably more than one, that Dem is going to choose the best one and do it.
The Repub will be too busy riding ponies, going fishing, clearing brush down at the ranch, sleeping or golfing, golfing and more golfing to even know or care if there is a way to avert it but given the chance he will definitely choose the absolute worst option. As is apparently contractually required of all Repub potuses.https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/ohio/ohio-woman-arrested-after-eating-cat-canton-police-release-bodycam-footage-incident/530-3f8ac79a-cd97-4cee-9ed1-16943a04a658
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/migrant-suspect-arrested-after-allegedly-setting-woman-fire-nyc-subway-car#google_vignette.
https://nypost.com/2024/06/24/us-news/jocelyn-nungaray-murder-suspect-gets-10m-bond/
https://www.wxyz.com/us-news/crime/venezuelan-man-found-guilty-in-murder-of-georgia-college-student-laken-riley
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/madison-wells-illegal-immigrant/
https://www.yahoo.com/news/person-interest-custody-woman-set-230600625.html
I can link hundreds maybe even thousands of more murders.
Thanks to Scumbag Joe and voters like you!!
MarquisdeSade1
12-31-24, 05:41
I thought you lived in a crime-ridden, homeless enclave hellscape city run by Dems?
Is your penthouse high enough to be beyond shooting range?
Sounds like you love it.Although I do ask myself why I am I adopting the role of Snake Plissken when I venture into certain parts of the city?
I was clearly talking about Musk, are you obsessed with race like the far left too? Or are you really Spidy also?Apologies if they're due. Perhaps you didn't view the video you appeared to be replying to. It was about Ramaswamy.
But then you may have problems with South Africans as well.
Yes, I am obsessed with race. I have a strong preference for Latinas and east Asians with store bought breasts.
First of all, if as in Carter's hand off to Reagan, had a Repub president ever in the history of the Repub Party finished his term handing an incoming Dem president No Great Depression, No Great Recession, No Recession, not even a mini one, One of the 2-3 Best Average Annual Jobs Creation records in 100 years, a months and months-long Declining Inflation Rate, a months and months-long Declining Unemployment Rate that had only spiked up to 7. 8% for a single month before making its months and months' long Decline, having established a rule providing American Workers with one of the easiest no-brainer means to save and invest tax-deferred to a more secure retirement, No Quagmire and Counterproductive Wars, a perfectly reasonable and manageable National Debt and Deficit and a Peaceful Transfer of Power, even the Democratic Party would be joining the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media in demanding that his likeness be chiseled into Mount Rushmore as The Greatest Republican President of All Time.
Of course, him being a Dem, MSM looks at that Carter record and says, "Meh. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along. Well, at least he spent the next 40 years building affordable housing for low income Americans. But, damn, he didn't even create one They're Eating the Cats, They're Eating the Dogs headline for us to sell"!
And second, considering how consistantly polar opposite wrong prognostications for incoming Dem economic policy and stewardship "doom" vs incoming Repub economic policy and stewardship "greatness" have been for at least 100 years, there is no way in hell I would have bet an incoming Dem would have taken the economic conditions Reagan inherited from Carter and in 7 months plunged America into the Worst economic downturn since The Great Repub Depression and 14 months after that plunged America into a whopping ten consecutive months of greater than 10% Unemployment Rates.
That isn't what Dems do. If one wants that kind of dramatic turn around to economic disaster one must not vote for Dems. One must vote for Repubs directly, vote for a nothing Third Party candidate or choose not to vote, all of which are generally predictably destined to help put a Repub in the White House to accomplish that dramatic turnaround and decline anyway.
There would be a way for a Dem to avert that disastrous outcome, probably more than one, that Dem is going to choose the best one and do it.
The Repub will be too busy riding ponies, going fishing, clearing brush down at the ranch, sleeping or golfing, golfing and more golfing to even know or care if there is a way to avert it but given the chance he will definitely choose the absolute worst option. As is apparently contractually required of all Repub potuses.For the sake of argument let's say you and Elvis were married. You have a few kids. Every Saturday night you buy a keg and the kids party their asses off. Around 3:00 AM Elvis comes home and takes away the keg. Now, who's going to be the popular one? And who actually did the right thing?
BTW, in this parable Elvis is the husband and you're the wife. (The majority of men are Republicans and the majority of women are Democrats.)
For the sake of argument let's say you and Elvis were married. You have a few kids. Every Saturday night you buy a keg and the kids party their asses off. Around 3:00 AM Elvis comes home and takes away the keg. Now, who's going to be the popular one? And who actually did the right thing?
BTW, in this parable Elvis is the husband and you're the wife. (The majority of men are Republicans and the majority of women are Democrats.)My experience and research on it has been the Dems arrive when the drunken Repub party has left the house in a total shambles, dead, dying and unconscious bodies strewn on the lawn and in every room.
An ambulance, emergency room care and undertakers costs money. Invariably more than the booze and beer Repubs vomited all over themselves and each other.
But the Repubs just blew all the household money on beer and pizza and when that ran out they put it on a credit card.
The few Repub survivors can be counted on whining and crying about the Dems' use of that same credit card to pay the First Responders to save their lives and get them back on their feet.
I am not familiar with any Dem party that was thrown just for the hell of it, the consequences be damned that left the house in a total shambles, dead and dying bodies strewn everywhere.
But I can certainly cite every Great Repub Depression, Great Repub Recession and Historic Jobs Destruction by the millions over the past 100 years. Virtually ALL of them them due to a drunken Repub party thrown just for the hell of it and producing no positive results.
MarquisdeSade1
12-31-24, 07:35
Apologies if they're due. Perhaps you didn't view the video you appeared to be replying to. It was about Ramaswamy.
But then you may have problems with South Africans as well.
Yes, I am obsessed with race. I have a strong preference for Latinas and east Asians with store bought breasts.I don't know if you're white or not, but if so you sound like one of those guys that hate their own people.
https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/ohio/ohio-woman-arrested-after-eating-cat-canton-police-release-bodycam-footage-incident/530-3f8ac79a-cd97-4cee-9ed1-16943a04a658
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/migrant-suspect-arrested-after-allegedly-setting-woman-fire-nyc-subway-car#google_vignette.
https://nypost.com/2024/06/24/us-news/jocelyn-nungaray-murder-suspect-gets-10m-bond/
https://www.wxyz.com/us-news/crime/venezuelan-man-found-guilty-in-murder-of-georgia-college-student-laken-riley
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/madison-wells-illegal-immigrant/
https://www.yahoo.com/news/person-interest-custody-woman-set-230600625.html
I can link hundreds maybe even thousands of more murders.
Thanks to Scumbag Joe and voters like you!!I can link at least 900,000 and still counting.
Birx recalls 'very difficult' call with Trump, says hundreds of thousands of Covid deaths were preventable
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/birx-recalls-very-difficult-call-trump-says-hundreds-thousands-covid-n1262283
Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator in the Trump administration, described an "uncomfortable" call with President Donald Trump after an interview with CNN in August in which she discussed the threat posed by Covid-19.
............
In a clip released earlier by CNN, Birx said the Trump administration could have prevented hundreds of thousands of Covid-19 deaths had it acted more forcefully to mitigate the pandemic.
"I look at it this way: The first time we have an excuse. There were about 100,000 deaths that came from that original surge," Birx said. "All of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially."A supposed USA Citizen pretending to be a president in 2018,2019 and 2020 laid the groundwork for and eventually mass murdered at least 900,000 Americans and still counting, according to his own administration appointee to coordinate his response to Trump's Pandemic, which he ushered in due to his decisions in 2018 and 2019 anyway.
At least 900,000 Americans, Mass Murdered.
Thanks to Trump, voters like you and the apparent irresistible lure of golf for Repub potuses as a distraction from actually Knowing anything, Doing anything and working for a living.
I was clearly talking about Musk, are you obsessed with race like the far left too? Or are you really Spidy also?Musk may be South African, but he's white. So are Joe Biden, Nick Gillespie, Mitt Romney, and Charles Koch. Why do you hate white people?
I wasn't referencing Vivek I was referring to Elon.
Your idiotic anecdotes about Our Lord and Savior, may or may not be true, Time mag is a rag for the Oligarchy I wouldn't wipe my ass with.
Do you think they are above lying about him? Ala The Russian hoax etc etc etc etc etc.
But Our Lord and Savior has been Saved by the New Religion of the United States its called MAGA.
He wouldn't do those things again if he even ever did?
His Raison Detre isn't like Chas Kochs which is total slavery for all and Zero taxes for him, Hunger Games for everyone including Morbidly Obese Tina!! LMAO.Charles Koch individually paid $211 million in federal income tax from 2013 to 2018 according to the ProPublica leak. It's difficult to get a handle on taxes paid by Koch Industries, as it's a private company. But, as the New York Times says.
Sorry, Harry Reid: Koch Industries Probably Pays a Lot of Corporate Tax
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/28/upshot/sorry-harry-reid-koch-industries-probably-pays-a-lot-of-corporate-tax.html
The NYT journalist says.
"Through a freedom of information request, I obtained the original statements (essentially, prospectuses) for those bond issuances. They contain broad information about Koch Industries' financial condition, including the fact that it paid corporate income tax for the years 1990 through 1994. In fact, it paid at quite high effective rates, ranging from 34.1 percent to 38.3 percent. ".
Trump on the other hand is a tax dodger. I'm not saying he's a tax evader. But he's a world class tax avoider. According to NYT reporting, from 2002 to 2017, Trump only paid federal income tax in 5 of 15 years. A House committee released Trump's tax returns from 2015 to 2020, and here's what he paid.
2015: Paid $641,931 in federal taxes.
2016: Paid $750.
2017: Paid $750.
2018: Paid $999,466.
2019: Paid $133,445.
2020: Claimed a refund of $5. 47 million.
Trump's businesses are pass throughs, so he doesn't bear any corporate income tax.
It wouldn't be surprising if you, a welfare penthouse owner, pay more income tax than Donald Trump, a multi-billionaire.
Yeah, the Koch Brothers would save with a flat tax. But they'd still pay much, much more to the Treasury than what they take back. A flat tax would also involve eliminating, to the extent possible, the loopholes that people like Trump use to take advantage of the system.
And as to slavery for all, employees rank Koch Industries above average on Glassdoor, while the Trump organization is average. Trump has a long, well verified history of cheating vendors and contractors, by paying them less than what they're owed and not paying for overtime and the like. That's not exactly slavery, but it's kind of like it, expecting them to work for free.
In summary, you're all wet in your criticisms of Charles Koch. But you'd be spot on if you directed them towards Donald Trump.
I can link at least 900,000 and still counting.
Birx recalls 'very difficult' call with Trump, says hundreds of thousands of Covid deaths were preventable
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/birx-recalls-very-difficult-call-trump-says-hundreds-thousands-covid-n1262283
A supposed USA Citizen pretending to be a president in 2018,2019 and 2020 laid the groundwork for and eventually mass murdered at least 900,000 Americans and still counting, according to his own administration appointee to coordinate his response to Trump's Pandemic, which he ushered in due to his decisions in 2018 and 2019 anyway.
At least 900,000 Americans, Mass Murdered.
Thanks to Trump, voters like you and the apparent irresistible lure of golf for Repub potuses as a distraction from actually Knowing anything, Doing anything and working for a living.Respectfully, this post is not rational. That's unless you believe Trump should have used the national guard, police and armed forces to enforce a quarantine on the country. And then, after his Administration's Operation Warp Speed helped get mRNA vaccines developed and approved in record time, he had forced Americans to get vaccinated. And Biden had continued Trump's "vaccine at gunpoint" policy after he took office.
A lot more Americans died from COVID during Biden's term than Trump's.
To be clear, the belief that the CDC or NIH could have magically prevented the world wide pandemic if not for budget cuts is not rational.
MarquisdeSade1
01-01-25, 03:32
Musk may be South African, but he's white. So are Joe Biden, Nick Gillespie, Mitt Romney, and Charles Koch. Why do you hate white people?
Charles Koch individually paid $211 million in federal income tax from 2013 to 2018 according to the ProPublica leak. It's difficult to get a handle on taxes paid by Koch Industries, as it's a private company. But, as the New York Times says.
Sorry, Harry Reid: Koch Industries Probably Pays a Lot of Corporate Tax
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/28/upshot/sorry-harry-reid-koch-industries-probably-pays-a-lot-of-corporate-tax.html
The NYT journalist says.
"Through a freedom of information request, I obtained the original statements (essentially, prospectuses) for those bond issuances. They contain broad information about Koch Industries' financial condition, including the fact that it paid corporate income tax for the years 1990 through 1994. In fact, it paid at quite high effective rates, ranging from 34.1 percent to 38.3 percent. ".
Trump on the other hand is a tax dodger. I'm not saying he's a tax evader. But he's a world class tax avoider. According to NYT reporting, from 2002 to 2017, Trump only paid federal income tax in 5 of 15 years. A House committee released Trump's tax returns from 2015 to 2020, and here's what he paid.
2015: Paid $641,931 in federal taxes.
2016: Paid $750.
2017: Paid $750.
2018: Paid $999,466.
2019: Paid $133,445.
2020: Claimed a refund of $5. 47 million.
Trump's businesses are pass throughs, so he doesn't bear any corporate income tax.
It wouldn't be surprising if you, a welfare penthouse owner, pay more income tax than Donald Trump, a multi-billionaire.
Yeah, the Koch Brothers would save with a flat tax. But they'd still pay much, much more to the Treasury than what they take back. A flat tax would also involve eliminating, to the extent possible, the loopholes that people like Trump use to take advantage of the system.
And as to slavery for all, employees rank Koch Industries above average on Glassdoor, while the Trump organization is average. Trump has a long, well verified history of cheating vendors and contractors, by paying them less than what they're owed and not paying for overtime and the like. That's not exactly slavery, but it's kind of like it, expecting them to work for free.
In summary, you're all wet in your criticisms of Charles Koch. But you'd be spot on if you directed them towards Donald Trump.Just not Chase The Gun Oliver voters that hate all white people that aren't Libertarian want to be Slave Owners like them.
I hate Joe Biden because his policies reflect those of someone who hates white people like you.
Generally speaking the DNC and the Never Trumper Libertarian Party both hate non trans heterosexual white Pro MAGA Americans.
You wrote Glassdoor rates Koch above avg I find that shocking, but that is in despite his best efforts, he owns large companies that are protected by Labor Laws he would love to abolish.
Not to mention I'm sure he hires as many Libertarians that he can that love working for him, I sat on a flight from NYC to LAX with some young douchebag, when he turned on his laptop the screensaver.
Read Koch Industries, I asked you work them, he says yes, I asked doing what, he replied Charles is my boss, it was not a pleasant flight lolol.
Say what you will about Trumps douchebag business practices, I've seen my share of douchebags in business its extremely common, bid rigging etc etc etc but it was never ideological with him like the worthless turd Chas Koch), I never liked Trump in my entire life, I remember his book Tour bullshit in the 80's.
Until June 16 2015 NYC The Man was ReBorn MAGA DJT.
Ala The Ascension of Christ, The World was gifted from the Cosmos with the Descension of the Born Again MAGA Donald J Trump.
The Savior of White Heterosexual Christianity in America and the rest of Western Civilization.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/14/donald-trump-campaign-announcement-tower-escalator-oral-history-227148/
Respectfully, this post is not rational. That's unless you believe Trump should have used the national guard, police and armed forces to enforce a quarantine on the country. And then, after his Administration's Operation Warp Speed helped get mRNA vaccines developed and approved in record time, he had forced Americans to get vaccinated. And Biden had continued Trump's "vaccine at gunpoint" policy after he took office.
A lot more Americans died from COVID during Biden's term than Trump's.
To be clear, the belief that the CDC or NIH could have magically prevented the world wide pandemic if not for budget cuts is not rational.I just want to make sure you are aware of what actually, truly, verifiably did happen in the real world in the past before you start parroting Trump's blatant lies and lame excuses about "nobody knew" this or that for his next colossal worldwide health and economic crisis:
10 times Trump and his administration were warned about coronavirus.
April 12, 2020
https://www.axios.com/2020/04/12/trump-coronavirus-warnings
US could have averted 40% of Covid deaths, says panel examining Trump's policies.
The country began the pandemic with a degraded public health infrastructure, leading to more deaths than other high-income countries.
Feb. 11, 2021
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/10/us-coronavirus-response-donald-trump-health-policy
Lying again about the pandemic, Trump made 200 false claims from early June to early July.
July 18, 2020
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/18/politics/fact-check-trump-june-july-2020/index.html
All the Presidents Lies About the Coronavirus.
An unfinished compendium of Trumps overwhelming dishonesty during a national emergency.
Nov. 2, 2020
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/11/trumps-lies-about-coronavirus/608647/
Bob Woodward Was Stunned By What Trump Told Young Son Barron About Coronavirus
https://www.yahoo.com/news/bob-woodward-stunned-trump-told-091902598.html
"And to be honest with you, Barron, they shouldve let it be known it was a problem two months earlier ... the world wouldnt have a problem. We could have stopped it easily.Trump says hed disband the pandemic preparedness office - again.
May 3, 2024
https://thebulletin.org/2024/05/trump-says-hed-disband-the-pandemic-preparedness-office-again/
Trump transition team plans immediate WHO withdrawal, expert says.
Dec. 23, 2024
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-transition-team-plans-immediate-who-withdrawal-expert-says-2024-12-23/
Uh. Did you ever consider there are ways a leader can avert worldwide pandemics and economic disaster other than at gun-point?
For starters, he can NOT defund and remove the very agency leadership specifically put in place to issue the earliest, most effective heads up despite all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid.
Next, he might decide not to, you know, lie about it from the start, mock and decide all known and proven mitigation measures.
Oh, maybe after that NOT lampoon and deny any need to invent a vaccine for it much less ever bother taking one.
Things like that.
Really. Those decisions can be made and applied long, long before he calls out the military and demands everyone get vaccinated at gun-point. Leaders in other countries with far lower per capita death rates from Trump's Pandemic managed to figure out how to do it.
I know that does not seem "rational" to you and other Trumpsters. But it really did happen that way in other countries without a president named Trump.
Even after his pre 2020 decisions ushered in Trump's Pandemic, he could have then humbly asked Americans to do their best to prevent an out-of-control spread of it until Obama's 10 years earlier Rapid Vaccine Development program did its job.
Respectfully, this post is not rational. Apologies Tooms. "Rational" was much too strong of a word. The idea that Trump is a mass murderer because people died from a pandemic that started in China while he was president almost makes sense by the side of this:
Obese not Tiny Tina I clearly love most white people
Just not Chase The Gun Oliver voters that hate all white people that aren't Libertarian want to be Slave Owners like them.
I hate Joe Biden because his policies reflect those of someone who hates white people like you.
Generally speaking the DNC and the Never Trumper Libertarian Party both hate non trans heterosexual white Pro MAGA Americans.
Dearest Marquesa, my best friends are mostly deluded white Pro MAGA Americans. Actually they've got pretty good sense about many things but actually believe Trump really won in 2020! ROTFLMAO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
It's good that this is an anonymous hooker board. So nobody will be looking to get you committed for this,
Until June 16 2015 NYC The Man was ReBorn MAGA DJT.
Ala The Ascension of Christ, The World was gifted from the Cosmos with the Descension of the Born Again MAGA Donald J Trump.
The Savior of White Heterosexual Christianity in America and the rest of Western Civilization.
MarquisdeSade1
01-01-25, 09:24
Apologies Tooms. "Rational" was much too strong of a word. The idea that Trump is a mass murderer because people died from a pandemic that started in China while he was president almost makes sense by the side of this:
Dearest Marquesa, my best friends are mostly deluded white Pro MAGA Americans. Actually they've got pretty good sense about many things but actually believe Trump really won in 2020! ROTFLMAO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
It's good that this is an anonymous hooker board. So nobody will be looking to get you committed for this,Chas Koch is worth 66 bn he isn't paying enough taxes nor is this turd.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/world-richest-man-elon-musk-200304001.html
He didn't earn 213 BILLION this year, he's not paying the proper amount of taxes or wages.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/12/30/research-h1b-visa-workers-vastly-underpaid-compared-americans/
Nor is Bozo or Zuckerturd Or that POS Gaggot Bill Gates.
And the only reason you won't admit that they cheated in 2020 because you approved of it.
He ran in 2016 2020 and 2024 and won every time.
How many times did you vote for him.
You are like ET the cheaters could come out and confess on live TV and you would still say he wasn't cheated.
Apologies Tooms. "Rational" was much too strong of a word. The idea that Trump is a mass murderer because people died from a pandemic that started in China while he was president almost makes sense by the side of this:
Dearest Marquesa, my best friends are mostly deluded white Pro MAGA Americans. Actually they've got pretty good sense about many things but actually believe Trump really won in 2020! ROTFLMAO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
It's good that this is an anonymous hooker board. So nobody will be looking to get you committed for this,epidemic
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/epidemic
the appearance of a particular disease in a large number of people at the same time:
a flu epidemicpandemic
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/pandemic
(of a disease) existing in almost all of an area or in almost all of a group of people, animals, or plants:
A report on pandemic flu released last year said "the potential for catastrophe is immense."Uh. The "pandemic" didn't start in China. China only experienced an initial spread of the virus in a way one could, at most, characterize as an "epidemic". And one that could have been confined to that one region of China. Systems were set up and agents stationed in those Chinese labs to do that very thing whenever necessary.
The worldwide "pandemic" started AFTER and FROM the "epidemic" virus in that particular region of China because those earliest cases were not reported to responsible parties for critical weeks and, during that time, it was allowed to move freely and spread via all modes of transportation to all parts of the world, at which point it was no longer possible to "control" it in the traditional sense. Only to mitigate and vaccinate against it.
The proven preferred method for the latter would be essentially the Polar opposite of what Trump did for the entire critical year 2020.
In addition to which and most important of all, the reason there were no responsible parties to issue those earliest warnings "two months sooner" so we could prevent and "avoid all the trouble easily" and, in an effort to Prevent a Pandemic from developing, swing into action to do everything possible to CONFINE it to a mere "epidemic" in a particular region of China can be found in any number of verified, truthful and real world reports that I have been posting here for quite some time.
In short: Trump allowed it to start and ushered in Trump's Pandemic. He "started" it with his worst economic and national security decisions of all time. Not China. And then he exacerbated it, made his colossal blunder even worse by spending virtually all of critical year 2020 lying about it, mocking and deriding the known mitigation measures, even further defunding the agencies depended upon to Respond to and Mitigate damage done by his Pandemic as well as discouraging THE WORLD from bothering to invent a vaccine for it, much less take it.
All of which he did, BTW, contrary to all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid.
Now, I realize MAGAs, Trumpsters, Repubs, supposed "conservatives" and so on don't see any "rational" reason to have done the Polar opposite of virtually everything Trump did prior to, during and after he started Trump's Pandemic and for All the world appears to be hell-bent to do all over again.
But unless someone points out these blatantly obvious unrivaled contributions he made to creating Trump's Pandemic when one did not have to be created and could have been averted so "easily", well, then I suppose we are doomed to repeat all of Trump's Disasters over and over and over again until it finally becomes an unavoidably "rational" idea in everyone's head to vote for people and Parties that would never have done something as dangerous and stupid as what Trump did and has become an expert at doing.
https://youtu.be/T2z8App14bs?si=s3RvOtXf6N9zv41y
Watch this. The tax code is the tax code. Anybody has the right to use the provisions of the tax code to pay the least amount of tax possible. That is the law of the land. There is NOTHING wrong with doing that.
Chaos is welcoming crazy Trump who is also prosecuted to pay big millions, as a sexual criminal, Putin holding his balls in hand. Great USA led by him. Maybe he should start to improve Boeing and from his friend Tesla.
Chaos is welcoming crazy Trump who is also prosecuted to pay big millions, as a sexual criminal, Putin holding his balls in hand. Great USA led by him. Maybe he should start to improve Boeing and from his friend Tesla.Such symbols: a Texan killer and a Tesla exploding in front of Trump hotel, both cars rent on same rental, chaos for Trump, even before entering White House. USA may receive from who they elected. From me, just not buying low quality products.
It's really too bad the rest of the country has to suffer the same outcome the suckers who voted for Trump and any other Congressional Repubs, a nothing Third Party candidate or stayed home and did not vote at all will have to suffer as the result.
Otherwise, this kind of Repub Numbskull Comedy would be so so so much more fun!
Given the choice between his tech bro billionaire donors and the sucker, loser MAGAs he and they have been conning all this time, Trump's preference is blissfully easy:
Trump sides with tech bosses in Maga fight over immigrant visas
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyv7gxp02yo
"Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence," Ramaswamy wrote in a long X post that argued that foreign workers improve the US economy.
"A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian the top student in a class, will not produce the best engineers," he wrote.
.............
Musk then shot back at "contemptible fools", saying he was referring to "those in the Republican Party who are hateful, unrepentant racists".
"They will absolutely be the downfall of the Republican Party if they are not removed," he wrote.Yep. Assistant to Presidents-elect Musk, Ramaswamy and Bannon is four square in agreement with the Tech Bro Billionaire Donors portion of his bosses about those MAGAs who were dumb enough to fall for their con about "immigrants taking your jobs" and that anyone on Team Trump had the least interest in putting "America First" in the racist way they had hoped.
Oh well. Lolololol.
Gee. Nobody knew! Lololol.
https://youtu.be/T2z8App14bs?si=s3RvOtXf6N9zv41y
Watch this. The tax code is the tax code. Anybody has the right to use the provisions of the tax code to pay the least amount of tax possible. That is the law of the land. There is NOTHING wrong with doing that.I don't disagree with anything Trump said. He has a valid point about Hillary Clinton and carried interest, which is the biggest loophole out there. She and Chuck Schumer were big defenders of carried interest, which greatly benefits New York fund managers. She only came around when she ran for president. And Schumer, while saying he wants to end carried interest, works behind the scenes to preserve it.
Back in 2016, Trump said you should vote for me, because I know how the swamp works, and I can drain it. He was referring to his dealings through the years with politicians. And with respect to the tax code, he had a point. The corporate tax cut engineered by Trump, Ryan and McConnell eliminated certain loopholes and lowered the tax rate. American companies for the first time were taxed on unrepatriated foreign income. Yes, initially the Treasury received less income. But counting additional employment taxes from higher wages and new jobs, long term the corporate cut will be a big winner for the Treasury.
Now that didn't really matter for Trump, because he has indeed been able to take advantage of loopholes like the $960 million carried forward tax loss that Anderson Cooper mentions at the start of the segment, that I explained below. However, Trump realizes a flatter tax with fewer loopholes is best for all. Which leads into the Marquesa's post.
Chas Koch is worth 66 bn he isn't paying enough taxes nor is this turd.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/world-richest-man-elon-musk-200304001.html
He didn't earn 213 BILLION this year, he's not paying the proper amount of taxes or wages.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/12/30/research-h1b-visa-workers-vastly-underpaid-compared-americans/
Nor is Bozo or Zuckerturd Or that POS Gaggot Bill Gates.
And the only reason you won't admit that they cheated in 2020 because you approved of it.
He ran in 2016 2020 and 2024 and won every time.
How many times did you vote for him.
You are like ET the cheaters could come out and confess on live TV and you would still say he wasn't cheated.SubComdr, Most penthouse dwelling Bernie Bros have figured out loopholes like Trump did to avoid paying high tax. However, instead of wanting to drain the swamp, they want to double down on it, presumably because they're getting some kind of government pork they want to preserve.
Bernie's tax plan, the brainchild of French socialists at the University of California at Berkeley, would jack the maximum individual federal rate up to 60+%. Capital gains would be taxed at 60%, even though the revenue-maximizing tax rate for capital gains is about 28%. In addition Sanders would impose an 8% PER YEAR wealth tax on multi billionaires. Please note that after 12 years, if not for reverse compound interest, Bernie would take away everything they own. If by chance they do end up with anything, their estates would pay a 65% death tax.
Yeah, if you want to kneecap people like Zuckerberg, Gates and Koch, and deprive the USA of world beating corporations like Microsoft, Facebook and Koch Industries, the Sanders / Marquesa tax plan is a great way to do it. It would certainly give China a great opportunity to provide the world beaters going forward instead of the USA. And put the USA in the position of France under Hollande. The Marquesa and Sanders, with their plans to tax away the capital of the billionaire entrepreneur class, would put the USA in the position of France under Hollande -- on the road to mediocrity. And that's downright Unamerican.
Now while Charles Koch individually "only" paid $213 million in federal income tax from 2013 to 2018, his company, Koch Industries, paid a lot more on his behalf. Koch's 42% share of the company would probably amount to over $1 billion a year in corporate tax, based on the company's $125 billion per year revenues.
The reason Koch doesn't pay a lot individually is because Koch Industries doesn't pay much in the way of dividends. Instead it reinvests most of its free cash flow in growth. That provides more jobs in America, more goods for consumption by American consumers, and, in the long run, more money for the USA Treasury. The money goes to better use than if it were sent to the federal government to squander.
"Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence," Ramaswamy wrote in a long X post that argued that foreign workers improve the US economy.
"A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian the top student in a class, will not produce the best engineers," he wrote.
.............
Musk then shot back at "contemptible fools", saying he was referring to "those in the Republican Party who are hateful, unrepentant racists".
"They will absolutely be the downfall of the Republican Party if they are not removed," he wrote.Ramaswamy is right. Or at least Americans should encourage their kids to develop the skills in math and other areas that will enable some to become top notch engineers and scientists. Musk's correct to the extent that the Republican Party should not brook politicians who are hateful, unrepentant racists, although there aren't many of those around in percentage terms.
There many positions of Republicans that you'd agree with if they'd been proposed by Democrats.
MarquisdeSade1
01-04-25, 00:29
I don't disagree with anything Trump said. He has a valid point about Hillary Clinton and carried interest, which is the biggest loophole out there. She and Chuck Schumer were big defenders of carried interest, which greatly benefits New York fund managers. She only came around when she ran for president. And Schumer, while saying he wants to end carried interest, works behind the scenes to preserve it.
Back in 2016, Trump said you should vote for me, because I know how the swamp works, and I can drain it. He was referring to his dealings through the years with politicians. And with respect to the tax code, he had a point. The corporate tax cut engineered by Trump, Ryan and McConnell eliminated certain loopholes and lowered the tax rate. American companies for the first time were taxed on unrepatriated foreign income. Yes, initially the Treasury received less income. But counting additional employment taxes from higher wages and new jobs, long term the corporate cut will be a big winner for the Treasury.
Now that didn't really matter for Trump, because he has indeed been able to take advantage of loopholes like the $960 million carried forward tax loss that Anderson Cooper mentions at the start of the segment, that I explained below. However, Trump realizes a flatter tax with fewer loopholes is best for all. Which leads into the Marquesa's post.
SubComdr, Most penthouse dwelling Bernie Bros have figured out loopholes like Trump did to avoid paying high tax. However, instead of wanting to drain the swamp, they want to double down on it, presumably because they're getting some kind of government pork they want to preserve.
Bernie's tax plan, the brainchild of French socialists at the University of California at Berkeley, would jack the maximum individual federal rate up to 60+%. Capital gains would be taxed at 60%, even though the revenue-maximizing tax rate for capital gains is about 28%. In addition Sanders would impose an 8% PER YEAR wealth tax on multi billionaires. Please note that after 12 years, if not for reverse compound interest, Bernie would take away everything they own. If by chance they do end up with anything, their estates would pay a 65% death tax..https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2025/01/02/sen-bernie-sanders-elon-musk-is-wrong-on-h-1b-middle-class-outsourcing/
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2024/12/30/elon-calms-down-musk-calls-for-major-reform-of-broken-h-1b-visa-system-despite-fiery-defense/
Why won't the Oligarchy let Bernie near the nomination.
The same reason they Impeached Trump 2 x 93 felonies 2 attempted murders and he still is BACK.
https://jacobin.com/2020/02/bernie-sanders-won-iowa-caucus-democratic-party
https://jacobin.com/2020/02/bernie-sanders-iowa-caucus-democratic-presidential-primary
https://www.vox.com/2020/2/6/21126709/bernie-sanders-declares-victory-iowa-caucuses
I'm guessing he may have beaten Trump honestly in 2020.
Such symbols: a Texan killer and a Tesla exploding in front of Trump hotel, both cars rent on same rental, chaos for Trump, even before entering White House. USA may receive from who they elected. From me, just not buying low quality products.Chaos for the Socialist Hollande: one hundred and thirty Parisians killed and another 416 people injured, by French and Belgian citizens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks#text=The%20 president%20 of%20 France%2 C%20 Fran%C3%A7 ois, and%20 had%20 fought%20 in%20 Syria.
French automobiles are pieces of crap. I owned a Peugeot once upon a time. My mechanic became my best friend.
https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2025/01/02/sen-bernie-sanders-elon-musk-is-wrong-on-h-1b-middle-class-outsourcing/
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2024/12/30/elon-calms-down-musk-calls-for-major-reform-of-broken-h-1b-visa-system-despite-fiery-defense/
Why won't the Oligarchy let Bernie near the nomination.
The same reason they Impeached Trump 2 x 93 felonies 2 attempted murders and he still is BACK.
https://jacobin.com/2020/02/bernie-sanders-won-iowa-caucus-democratic-party
https://jacobin.com/2020/02/bernie-sanders-iowa-caucus-democratic-presidential-primary
https://www.vox.com/2020/2/6/21126709/bernie-sanders-declares-victory-iowa-caucuses
I'm guessing he may have beaten Trump honestly in 2020.The Jacobin, hahahaha! That socialist rag's a mouthpiece for Venezuela and Cuba. Have you been to either one of those countries Marquesa? I have. You wouldn't want to live there. I'd vote for Tooms for president before I'd vote for you. You're welcome Tooms.
French automobiles are pieces of crap. I owned a Peugeot once upon a time. My mechanic became my best friend.I know what you mean. I felt the same way about GM cars back in the 90's and yet I persevered. I lost my mechanic's phone number after I switched to Japanese vehicles. I wonder how he's doing nowadays.
Ramaswamy is right. Or at least Americans should encourage their kids to develop the skills in math and other areas that will enable some to become top notch engineers and scientists. Musk's correct to the extent that the Republican Party should not brook politicians who are hateful, unrepentant racists, although there aren't many of those around in percentage terms.
There many positions of Republicans that you'd agree with if they'd been proposed by Democrats.I always vote for Dems and never for Repubs precisely because I much prefer the results of the Dems' Get Government Off Your Back, Cut Taxes, Create Jobs, Make America Great Again "positions" over the Great Repub Depressions, Great Repub Recessions, Massive Repub Jobs Destruction, Repubs Crawling Into Your Bed and Your Life results of those same pitched but never accomplished "positions".
EihTooms for President
The Jacobin, hahahaha! That socialist rag's a mouthpiece for Venezuela and Cuba. Have you been to either one of those countries Marquesa? I have. You wouldn't want to live there. I'd vote for Tooms for president before I'd vote for you. You're welcome Tooms.You would vote for me only because you know I have as little chance of winning (since I would not be running) as Chase Oliver but that wasted vote for him / me would help Trump or any other Repub win.
Just as the votes for Oliver rather than for Harris in PA, MI and WI constituted roughly half the number of votes she needed to swing her way to defeat Trump. The remaining "winning" votes for Trump rather than Harris in those three decisive states could then easily have been generated by Bill Maher's weekly televised anti-Dem, pro Trump / Repub Campaign Rally over the previous four years.
That is, if the highly motivated and mobilized angry Muslim Community demo single-issue votes for Trump having nothing to do with the economy, inflation, immigration, trannies, pronouns or crime hadn't sailed into those polling places as the surprise Joker in the deck to save the day for Trump in those three decisive states. Which did all the lifting in the country to "give the presidency to Trump" without relying on those Chase Oliver and Bill Maher Weekly Trump / Repub Campaign Rally votes.
If you thought for 1 second a vote for me or MDS might have inadvertantly helped Harris or any other Dem get elected over Trump or any other Repub there is no way you would have done it.
First of all, if as in Carter's hand off to Reagan, had a Repub president ever in the history of the Repub Party finished his term handing an incoming Dem president No Great Depression, No Great Recession, No Recession, not even a mini one, One of the 2-3 Best Average Annual Jobs Creation records in 100 years, a months and months-long Declining Inflation Rate, a months and months-long Declining Unemployment Rate that had only spiked up to 7. 8% for a single month before making its months and months' long Decline, having established a rule providing American Workers with one of the easiest no-brainer means to save and invest tax-deferred to a more secure retirement, No Quagmire and Counterproductive Wars, a perfectly reasonable and manageable National Debt and Deficit and a Peaceful Transfer of Power, even the Democratic Party would be joining the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media in demanding that his likeness be chiseled into Mount Rushmore as The Greatest Republican President of All Time.
Of course, him being a Dem, MSM looks at that Carter record and says, "Meh. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along. Well, at least he spent the next 40 years building affordable housing for low income Americans. But, damn, he didn't even create one They're Eating the Cats, They're Eating the Dogs headline for us to sell"!
To your point, the author, Bill Adair, wrote the book, "Beyond the Big Lie - The Epidemic of Political Lying, Why Republicans do it more, and how it could burn down our democracy", was just lamenting the fact that with the death of former President Carter, also marks the death of a bygone era of honesty, decency and telling the truth.
"Lying matters because it cripples our discourse. With such an imbalance of falsehoods, our political parties and elected officials are unable to have adult conversations about the critical issues of our time. Then can't agree on facts because one side denies the truth."
'Beyond the Big Lie' explores why Republicans lie more and the consequences lying has
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5A--SEelY0
Trump and MAGA are the poster child, for the rise and erosion of truth and value it plays in politics and holding our leaders accountable. (*ie. "The Big Lie"). This is something the U.S. President Jimmy Carter understood and held dear, that truth and that honesty matters.
MarquisdeSade1
01-04-25, 21:14
The Jacobin, hahahaha! That socialist rag's a mouthpiece for Venezuela and Cuba. Have you been to either one of those countries Marquesa? I have. You wouldn't want to live there. I'd vote for Tooms for president before I'd vote for you. You're welcome Tooms.The horseshoe club at its worst!!
I represent the likes of the sane moderates the sane middle class the SANE MAJORITY voters that Voted for DJT in 2016 2020 and 2024.
I would love to put Bernie up against Chase "The Gun" anyday in a general election!
MarquisdeSade1
01-05-25, 01:24
Ramaswamy is right. Or at least Americans should encourage their kids to develop the skills in math and other areas that will enable some to become top notch engineers and scientists. Musk's correct to the extent that the Republican Party should not brook politicians who are hateful, unrepentant racists, although there aren't many of those around in percentage terms.
There many positions of Republicans that you'd agree with if they'd been proposed by Democrats.https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/01/04/teamsters-president-h-1b-visa-program-displaces-american-workers-allows-billionaires-exploit-foreign-workers/
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/03/opinion/musk-h1b-visas.html
Musk's Misinformation About Tech Visas.
Jan. 3, 2025.
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Elon Musk and the other tech moguls fluttering around Donald Trump claim that Silicon Valley needs more H-1 B visas to bring in foreign workers because there aren't enough Americans studying science and tech. American innovation requires "critical people" from abroad like Musk himself, they say, because Americans just don't want to learn that stuff.
There's some truth to that. But what they don't tell you is that for more than a decade, Americans working in the tech industry have been systematically laid off and replaced by cheaper H-1 B visa holders.
I discovered this in 2013 when I reported an investigative project for The Boston Globe about widespread fraud in and abuse of the H-1 B visa program. At the time, three companies got the largest number of visas in the H-1 B lottery: Infosys, Tata and Cognizant. All three used a business model that cut costs by bringing over temporary workers from India and leasing them out to American firms like indentured servants. Prominent companies were jettisoning their locally hired I. T. Departments and outsourcing those jobs.
Not much has changed. Today, those three companies are still among the top five recipients of the visas. When Americans realize they can't make a living as software engineers, they leave the industry. The H-1 B program worsens the very shortages it was supposed to address.
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Most H-1 B visa holders are lower-paid labor, not top talent. In May, Musk laid off more than 14,000 Tesla workers, including many H-1 B visa holders. Reddit threads filled with laments by workers who had moved to the United States from India only to be let go with no warning. They were desperate to remain in the country, but because H-1 B visas are owned by the employer, they had few options for doing so.
That's why these workers stay compliant and cheap: They can't leave the companies that control the visas. If they were really top talent, they should be getting green cards, not enduring six years of underpaid servitude.
Such mass layoffs in the tech industry should make us question the premise that more H-1 B visas are needed.
"How do they get away with mass layoffs — then claim shortages?" Ron Hira, a Howard University professor who has written about this issue for two decades, asked me.
Confronted on X with evidence of relatively low pay for H-1 B positions, Musk admitted what many of us already knew: The "program is broken and needs major reform. ".
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Does that mean he's going to push for it to be fixed by raising the wages for temporary workers and making it based more on unique skills than on a lottery? Don't hold your breath.
Farah Stockman joined the Times editorial board in 2020. For four.
I don't disagree with anything Trump said. He has a valid point about Hillary Clinton and carried interest, which is the biggest loophole out there.I respect him for that.
Back in 2016, Trump said you should vote for me, because I know how the swamp works, and I can drain it. He was referring to his dealings through the years with politicians. And with respect to the tax code, he had a point. The corporate tax cut engineered by Trump, Ryan and McConnell eliminated certain loopholes and lowered the tax rate. American companies for the first time were taxed on unrepatriated foreign income. Yes, initially the Treasury received less income. But counting additional employment taxes from higher wages and new jobs, long term the corporate cut will be a big winner for the Treasury.I do not consider myself informed in corporate tax law so I will take your word for it my man. I have mad respect for you. You are one of the few people posting in this thread that understands Crypto.
SubComdr, Most penthouse dwelling Bernie Bros have figured out loopholes like Trump did to avoid paying high tax. However, instead of wanting to drain the swamp, they want to double down on it, presumably because they're getting some kind of government pork they want to preserve.I have a One dick policy. The only dick I worry about in my life is my own. I apply the same principles to tax policy. The only part of the tax code I concern myself with is the part that affects me.
I want to live in Penthouse too I am just too cheap to pay for it. LOL! Even at 200,000 USD+ 40th floor on up with direct ocean views, on a relative scale they are inexpensive here in Pattaya.
I know what you mean. I felt the same way about GM cars back in the 90's and yet I persevered. I lost my mechanic's phone number after I switched to Japanese vehicles. I wonder how he's doing nowadays.I switched to Japanese vehicles as well. As to Sirioja's preference for buying European, I think the Germans make good cars, although I've ever owned one. I can attest that you need to be a masochist to own a French or Italian vehicle.
I wonder if the Marquesa believes we're evil for owning Japanese vehicles.
You would vote for me only because you know I have as little chance of winning (since I would not be running) as Chase Oliver but that wasted vote for him / me would help Trump or any other Repub win.
Just as the votes for Oliver rather than for Harris in PA, MI and WI constituted roughly half the number of votes she needed to swing her way to defeat Trump. The remaining "winning" votes for Trump rather than Harris in those three decisive states could then easily have been generated by Bill Maher's weekly televised anti-Dem, pro Trump / Repub Campaign Rally over the previous four years.
That is, if the highly motivated and mobilized angry Muslim Community demo single-issue votes for Trump having nothing to do with the economy, inflation, immigration, trannies, pronouns or crime hadn't sailed into those polling places as the surprise Joker in the deck to save the day for Trump in those three decisive states. Which did all the lifting in the country to "give the presidency to Trump" without relying on those Chase Oliver and Bill Maher Weekly Trump / Repub Campaign Rally votes.
If you thought for 1 second a vote for me or MDS might have inadvertantly helped Harris or any other Dem get elected over Trump or any other Repub there is no way you would have done it.You're a smart guy but somewhat weak in math. If I wanted to help Trump or any other Republican win, I'd vote for the Republican. As long as the Republicans control the House and / or Senate, I honestly didn't care who won the presidential election. I'd go for Trump on policy, although I really don't like his tariffs. He's less likely to get us into a war than Harris, and his emphasis on deregulation is a big plus. Both of them were set to run big budget deficits, although maybe the Musk / Ramaswamy team will alleviate that somewhat. I can't however vote for someone who tried to steal an election.
Anyway, if there were only two choices, I'd definitely vote for you over Sanders, the Marquesa, Warren, Harris or Biden. I'd probably vote for you over Obama. I don't have to make that choice though. There are always Republicans, Libertarians, or the occasional sane Democrat like Bill Clinton who I can vote for instead. That's not to say you're not sane. You probably are, you're just extremely partisan and unduly influenced by the media.
Germans make cars for drivers. Japanese makes cars for those who just need to get from here to there. I have even owned great cars made in the USA.
I switched to Japanese vehicles as well. As to Sirioja's preference for buying European, I think the Germans make good cars, although I've ever owned one. I can attest that you need to be a masochist to own a French or Italian vehicle.
I wonder if the Marquesa believes we're evil for owning Japanese vehicles.If MarQ has as anything to say about it tell him to check this link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobiles_manufactured_in_the_United_States
You're a smart guy but somewhat weak in math. If I wanted to help Trump or any other Republican win, I'd vote for the Republican. As long as the Republicans control the House and / or Senate, I honestly didn't care who won the presidential election. I'd go for Trump on policy, although I really don't like his tariffs. He's less likely to get us into a war than Harris, and his emphasis on deregulation is a big plus. Both of them were set to run big budget deficits, although maybe the Musk / Ramaswamy team will alleviate that somewhat. I can't however vote for someone who tried to steal an election.
Anyway, if there were only two choices, I'd definitely vote for you over Sanders, the Marquesa, Warren, Harris.See graphs below:
MarquisdeSade1
01-05-25, 06:01
I know what you mean. I felt the same way about GM cars back in the 90's and yet I persevered. I lost my mechanic's phone number after I switched to Japanese vehicles. I wonder how he's doing nowadays.But they are comparable to most cars around the world, other than maybe some of the better German designed ones.
But any American that would willfully buy a car from the enemy rather than An American company needs to move out of the USA.
I am pro Buy American Pro American worker Pro Union.
If someone was dirt poor and chose to buy a Yugo Hyundai or Kia out of desperation I might give them a pass, an employee bought a Mitsubishi several years back and I didn't give them too much shit (just a little) because I drove past the plant that made it 100 miles outside Chicago 1000 x there are some American car makers that buy many parts from the CCP and have them assembled in Mexico etc.
Hopefully Our Lord and Savior will change that.
But anyone that deliberately buys foreign products over American is a traitor and should be shot for treason.
You know the guy that only buys Asian cars only buys Asian phones only uses Asian airlines etc.
He hates America but insists on living here, albeit California.
If someone is poor and must shop at Walmart or Amazon for their cheap plastic garbage from the CCP I understand and.
I'm hoping Our Lord and Savior ends that as well.
The Tariff God returns Jan 20 2025.
MarquisdeSade1
01-05-25, 06:11
I don't disagree with anything Trump said. He has a valid point about Hillary Clinton and carried interest, which is the biggest loophole out there. She and Chuck Schumer were big defenders of carried interest, which greatly benefits New York fund managers. She only came around when she ran for president. And Schumer, while saying he wants to end carried interest, works behind the scenes to preserve it.
Back in 2016, Trump said you should vote for me, because I know how the swamp works, and I can drain it. He was referring to his dealings through the years with politicians. And with respect to the tax code, he had a point. The corporate tax cut engineered by Trump, Ryan and McConnell eliminated certain loopholes and lowered the tax rate. American companies for the first time were taxed on unrepatriated foreign income. Yes, initially the Treasury received less income. But counting additional employment taxes from higher wages and new jobs, long term the corporate cut will be a big winner for the Treasury.
Now that didn't really matter for Trump, because he has indeed been able to take advantage of loopholes like the $960 million carried forward tax loss that Anderson Cooper mentions at the start of the segment, that I explained below. However, Trump realizes a flatter tax with fewer loopholes is best for all. Which leads into the Marquesa's post.
SubComdr, Most penthouse dwelling Bernie Bros have figured out loopholes like Trump did to avoid paying high tax. However, instead of wanting to drain the swamp, they want to double down on it, presumably because they're getting some kind of government pork they want to preserve..If someone is a tax cheat they are a thief and steal from the rest of us, everyone should pay what they owe and if you are so greedy you want more just make some more.
Koch paid so little in taxes, he probably rather pay 1000 tax attys to cheat his way so low.
I have no idea what happened in transition with my previous Which Trump policies, etc submission. The only thing that made it to post was my Subject title, "See graphs below:" and the screenshot of the 3 graphs. Very strange. Internet gremlins perhaps.
Luckily, I still had the original on hand to re-sibmit and here it is:
You're a smart guy but somewhat weak in math. If I wanted to help Trump or any other Republican win, I'd vote for the Republican. As long as the Republicans control the House and / or Senate, I honestly didn't care who won the presidential election. I'd go for Trump on policy, although I really don't like his tariffs. He's less likely to get us into a war than Harris, and his emphasis on deregulation is a big plus. Both of them were set to run big budget deficits, although maybe the Musk / Ramaswamy team will alleviate that somewhat. I can't however vote for someone who tried to steal an election.
Anyway, if there were only two choices, I'd definitely vote for you over Sanders, the Marquesa, Warren, Harris or Biden. I'd probably vote for you over Obama. I don't have to make that choice though. There are always Republicans, Libertarians, or the occasional sane Democrat like Bill Clinton who I can vote for instead. That's not to say you're not sane. You probably are, you're just extremely partisan and unduly influenced by the media.Do you not care who wins the presidency because when your preferred Repub wins and his policies you claim to prefer go utterly tits up into another Great Depression, Great Recession and / or Massive Jobs Destruction you can then claim, "Hey, I didn't vote for him"! Thanks to your having announced you're voting for Oliver or me? LOL.
Well, a whole bunch of other people think the person who runs on a set of economic policy plans and goals, promotes those plans after getting elected and more often than not gets a sizable percentage of those plans enacted by Congress even when the majority in one or both Houses of Congress are the other Party matters quite a bit to what kind of economic results are produced by those policies and plans he ran on, proposed and mostly got passed.
Not all of them can be somewhat weak on math. Or logic. Or easily observable reality. Or historical data and facts.
So on wars, did you like that Peace-lover Trump was happy to keep the USA Military embroiled in a combat War in Afghanistan for every day of his so-called presidency and, as if that wasn't enough USA War for his liking, he "peacefully" led a recruited mob of violent Insurrectionists into battle against America On American Soil before the screen door smacked him in the ass on the way out?
I mean, as opposed to the previous and current "warmongering" Dem presidents taking all of the heat and responsibility for pulling us out of a Repub-initiated War in the Middle East on their watch and the current one keeping us out of any combat War anywhere on the planet since his first year in office?
And on Trump's economic policy plans, I assume your income level falls within the top 1% or possibly, the top 5% percentile of incomes, the only groups who will not pay more to the government if Trump's, not ChristiFascist Mike's nor John Thune's, policies and plans are enacted?
A Distributional Analysis of Donald Trumps Tax Plan.
Oct. 7, 2024
https://itep.org/a-distributional-analysis-of-donald-trumps-tax-plan-2024/
Impact Of Donald Trumps Tax Proposals by Income Group
Former President Donald Trump has proposed a wide variety of tax policy changes. Taken together, these proposals would, on average, lead to a tax cut for the richest 5 percent of Americans and a tax increase for all other income groups.
If these proposals were in effect in 2026, the richest 1 percent would receive an average tax cut of about $36,300 and the next richest 4 percent would receive an average tax cut of about $7,200. All other groups would see a tax increase with the hike on the middle 20 percent at about $1,500 and the increase on the lowest-income 20 percent of Americans at about $800.See graphs below:
My taxes aren't that complicated I never used loopholes. If someone is a tax cheat they are a thief and steal from the rest of us, everyone should pay what they owe and if you are so greedy you want more just make some more.And yet you're madly in love with the man who not only cheats on his taxes, but openly brags about it at every turn.
It was nice to hear the incoming Repub Senate Leader, John Thune, finally say something truthful and accurate. Sort of. It happened in his Meet The Press interview this past Sunday morning:
Meet the Press January 5, 2025
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-january-5-2025-n1311312
SEN. JOHN THUNE:
Well, I mean, I think that you start with extending existing tax policy. And thats current that is current policy. You know, some people, depending on which scorekeepers you use, will say, "Well, yes, this is going to contribute to deficits down the road." But the fact of the matter is this is the law today, and what you're doing is essentially extending that --
KRISTEN WELKER:
So it would all be paid for by offsets?
SEN. JOHN THUNE:
Well, not perhaps all of it. But what I'm telling you is a combination of growth, a combination of offsets, and an expectation, I think, that if you want to avoid a $4 trillion tax increase, you're going to have to take some steps to extend the current tax policy. When you do that, I think you get outcomes that are good for the economy. And when the economy is growing, expanding, and creating better-paying jobs, people are making money, they're taking realizations, they're paying taxes. Tax revenues go up. And that was demonstrated and proven in 2017 with the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.Yeah, he was doing so well right up to and including the part where he says, "that was demonstrated and proven in 2017". After those words he totally fucked up and went back to a favorite Repub lie.
2017 was still an Obama-Biden year since Trump did not even sign and pass his one and only economic "stimulus" legislation, the godawful Trillions added to the deficit with nothing to show for it except a million fewer jobs created with it than without it, Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, until the last business day of 2017.
But, yes, as long as Trump had not passed a single Repub economic legislation and was just playing golf, trying to come up with insulting nicknames for his critics and coasting on the terrific economic trajectories he inherited from Obama-Biden, the American Worker and tax revenues were doing fine.
Well, a sort of and partial truthful thing is still great to hear coming out of any elected Repub's mouth these days.
BTW, neither Welker nor any of the other pundits on that typically pro Repub Mainstream Media program bothered to point out that Thune had perhaps inadvertantly but certainly accurately praised the Obama-Biden economy Trump inherited having absolutely zero to do with anything Trump or, frankly, any other Repub had done.
I mean, hell, that was one third of the entire mythical "best economy ever" Trump years pre Trump's Pandemic that Thune just praised when it had nothing to do with anything Trump did or policy Repubs proposed, fought for and passed!
And yet you're madly in love with the man who not only cheats on his taxes, but openly brags about it at every turn.He does not cheat on his taxes. Quote the ruling where that was established. He uses the tax law as it is written to pay the minimum amount of taxes under the law.
Can you show me a criminal conviction under the law?
This guy cheated on his taxes:
https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/austin-man-gets-2-years-in-prison-for-cryptocurrency-tax-fraud-a-doj-first/
And yet you're madly in love with the man who not only cheats on his taxes, but openly brags about it at every turn.Trump is perfect image for USA: stupid, sexual criminal, liar and crazy dangerous. Making USA image great again.
Germans make cars for drivers. Japanese makes cars for those who just need to get from here to there. I have even owned great cars made in the USA.
If MarQ has as anything to say about it tell him to check this link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automobiles_manufactured_in_the_United_States
Interesting SubCmdr. Yes, a lot of those "foreign" cars are made right here in the USA. Your link is timely, given that the Biden administration is blocking Nippon Steel's proposed takeover of U.S. Steel, and Trump has indicated he'd do the same. This is a bad decision that will hurt U.S. consumers and exporters, and probably U.S. steelworkers. The only winners will be the crony capitalists at Cleveland Cliffs, a U.S. Steel competitor. Here are excerpts from a WSJ editorial,
The economics of the deal make overwhelming sense for both U.S. Steel and its workers. The Japanese company promised $2.7 billion in fresh capital to modernize U.S. Steels aging plants and honor collective-bargaining agreements. It offered workers $5,000 bonuses, made job guarantees, and agreed to let Cfius block reductions in production capacity at U.S. Steel plants, among other political sweeteners.
None satisfied United Steelworkers boss David McCall, who favors a tie-up with Cleveland-Cliffs, which was outbid by Nippon Steel in 2023. Cleveland-Cliffs CEO Lourenco Goncalves lobbied the White House to block the Nippon deal because he wants to create a steel-making cartel shielded from foreign competition by tariffs and Buy America rules.
A Cleveland-Cliffs-U.S. Steel combo would control 100% of U.S. blast furnace production, 100% of domestic steel used in electric-vehicle motors, and 65% to 90% of other domestic steel used in vehicles. But Cleveland-Cliffscurrently valued at $4.7 billion with $3.8 billion in debtwill struggle to find the money even to buy U.S. Steel, much less to invest enough to revitalize its factories.
U.S. Steels stock fell 7% on Friday and is down 38% since the Nippon Steel deal was announced. Investors worry that U.S. Steel might be sold off piecemeal in a bankruptcy. U.S. Steel executives have warned that plants could be closed if the Nippon deal collapses. How would this benefit workers?
Cleveland-Cliffs might still have its monopoly if U.S. Steel fails, though U.S. manufacturers that use steel will face higher costs and become less competitive. The cost of U.S.-made EVs will increase, which is why U.S. car makers favored the Nippon Steel bid.
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/biden-blocks-nippon-u-s-steel-deal-cfius-united-steelworkers-cleveland-cliffs-japan-fa301474
It was nice to hear the incoming Repub Senate Leader, John Thune, finally say something truthful and accurate. Sort of. It happened in his Meet The Press interview this past Sunday morning:
Meet the Press January 5, 2025
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-january-5-2025-n1311312
Yeah, he was doing so well right up to and including the part where he says, "that was demonstrated and proven in 2017". After those words he totally fucked up and went back to a favorite Repub lie.
2017 was still an Obama-Biden year since Trump did not even sign and pass his one and only economic "stimulus" legislation, the godawful Trillions added to the deficit with nothing to show for it except a million fewer jobs created with it than without it, Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, until the last business day of 2017.
But, yes, as long as Trump had not passed a single Repub economic legislation and was just playing golf, trying to come up with insulting nicknames for his critics and coasting on the terrific economic trajectories he inherited from Obama-Biden, the American Worker and tax revenues were doing fine.
Well, a sort of and partial truthful thing is still great to hear coming out of any elected Repub's mouth these days.
BTW, neither Welker nor any of the other pundits on that typically pro Repub Mainstream Media program bothered to point out that Thune had perhaps inadvertantly but certainly accurately praised the Obama-Biden economy Trump inherited having absolutely zero to do with anything Trump or, frankly, any other Repub had done.
I mean, hell, that was one third of the entire mythical "best economy ever" Trump years pre Trump's Pandemic that Thune just praised when it had nothing to do with anything Trump did or policy Repubs proposed, fought for and passed!You're twisting Thune's words. Certainly the effects of the TCJA weren't realized in 2017. The bill didn't even take effect until 2018. In 2019 there was a huge jump in real median household income and 50 year lows in unemployment. Was all this because of the TCJA? Certainly not. Trump's deregulation helped too, and perhaps even more so factors totally unrelated to politics.
The corporate rate cut that was part of the TCJA not only left more money in the hands of companies, to be used for expansion, jobs and higher salaries, but with time they resulted in the Treasury realizing more income than it would have without the cuts! That's primarily because of higher social security and Medicare contributions from people hired by corporations, as documented in the NBER paper I've linked to several times here. The USA during the Biden administration has benefited more from the corporate tax cuts than it did during Trump's time in office. And even Harris and Biden didn't want to take the federal rate back to where it was before the TCJA.
I'll get back to you on your other post when I have more time. I don't agree with all the parts of the TCJA, nor with Trump's proposed tariffs. Your link however is another classic example of Simpson's paradox -- when you add all the data together instead of segmenting it, in this case by specific changes in the tax code, you come up with a very distorted view of reality. Trump and the Republicans aren't going to eliminate the SALT cap, which would represent most of the tax savings realized by higher earners in the fictitious analysis by the left-biased Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy.
Locamotive
01-07-25, 03:09
I can link at least 900,000 and still counting.
Birx recalls 'very difficult' call with Trump, says hundreds of thousands of Covid deaths were preventable
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/birx-recalls-very-difficult-call-trump-says-hundreds-thousands-covid-n1262283
A supposed USA Citizen pretending to be a president in 2018,2019 and 2020 laid the groundwork for and eventually mass murdered at least 900,000 Americans and still counting, according to his own administration appointee to coordinate his response to Trump's Pandemic, which he ushered in due to his decisions in 2018 and 2019 anyway.
At least 900,000 Americans, Mass Murdered.
Thanks to Trump, voters like you and the apparent irresistible lure of golf for Repub potuses as a distraction from actually Knowing anything, Doing anything and working for a living.Considering all the lardasses we have in this county 900 k number is seems a bit low, it should have been more than that. It did thin them out as COVID was tough on the morbidity obese. Two in my neighborhood died and they were 300 lbs+ and that's being kind. We are the most overweight country on earth and they will cripple the Medicare system with health issues if they live that long. COVID did us a favor.
You're twisting Thune's words. Certainly the effects of the TCJA weren't realized in 2017. The bill didn't even take effect until 2018. In 2019 there was a huge jump in real median household income and 50 year lows in unemployment. Was all this because of the TCJA? Certainly not. Trump's deregulation helped too, and perhaps even more so factors totally unrelated to politics.
The corporate rate cut that was part of the TCJA not only left more money in the hands of companies, to be used for expansion, jobs and higher salaries, but with time they resulted in the Treasury realizing more income than it would have without the cuts! That's primarily because of higher social security and Medicare contributions from people hired by corporations, as documented in the NBER paper I've linked to several times here. The USA during the Biden administration has benefited more from the corporate tax cuts than it did during Trump's time in office. And even Harris and Biden didn't want to take the federal rate back to where it was before the TCJA.
I'll get back to you on your other post when I have more time. I don't agree with all the parts of the TCJA, nor with Trump's proposed tariffs. Your link however is another classic example of Simpson's paradox -- when you add all the data together instead of segmenting it, in this case by specific changes in the tax code, you come up with a very distorted view of reality. Trump and the Republicans aren't going to eliminate the SALT cap, which would represent most of the tax savings realized by higher earners in the fictitious analysis by the left-biased Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy.
The corporate rate cut that was part of the TCJA not only left more money in the hands of companies, to be used for expansion, jobs and higher salaries, but with time they resulted in the Treasury realizing more income than it would have without the cuts!Of course, we all know from the several reports I have linked that the idea of Trump's Repub TCJA generating "expansion, jobs and higher salaries" was not only laughed at by the very CEOs that windfall was meant to benefit the most even before it was signed and passed, but there is scent evidence that any of those things happened because of it even six years later. Piss-poor results on those supposed goals for the Trillions it added to the deficit.
But on the very idea that lowering corporate tax rates would ever produce such a result, there is a whole line of learned reasoning to suggest it would not.
If the corporate tax rate is higher and that company realizes a particularly profitable year, there will, not might, be a serious effort to avoid as much of that tax hit as possible by putting that money back into the business ASAP exactly as in your mythical response to the TCJA, open another factory or outlet, hire more employees, raise wages, contribute more to the general economy and so on specifically in order to avoid paying a high corporate tax rate on that profit. The positive ripple effect for the American Worker and Economy ensues.
However, if the corporate tax rate is lower, that same company owner or board will look at that same profit as more free and clear to take as realization, shrug off the tax concerns and spend it on, oh, let's say another villa in Italy, a couple of bitcoin, slip some of it into a few Repub MAGA 6 SCOTUS Christmas gift envelopes, pick up another Renoir for the bathroom, at best for America build a 6th mansion for themselves in Holmby Hills built by the already wealthiest contractors on earth.
At some point lower corporate tax rates are counterproductive to business expansion, adding jobs, raising wages, etc.
This idea that lowering top income margin or corporate tax rates will ever in history finally produce this mythical Supply-Side / Trickle-Down notable positive economic or jobs creation effect that Repubs and Bothsider / Neithersiders have been pining for since Calvin Coolidge / Herbert Hoover while it has so far only produced and presided over Great Depressions, Great Recessions and Massive Jobs Destruction along with skrocketing deficits has really gone beyond the mere juvenile and ill-informed and moved well into bizarre to the point of psychotic at this late date.
I think Trump wants to lower the corporate tax rate to 21% or maybe to zero, right? Lolol.
Now, that is not to say lowering those tax rates is not a very good idea based on the economic conditions at the time. But in the past 100 years no incoming Repub potus taking over from an outgoing Dem has inherited an economy that needs such a dramatic windfall put into the personal pockets of corporate CEOs or the already wealthiest top marginal income earners.
But they are comparable to most cars around the world, other than maybe some of the better German designed ones.
But any American that would willfully buy a car from the enemy rather than An American company needs to move out of the USA.
I am pro Buy American Pro American worker Pro Union.
If someone was dirt poor and chose to buy a Yugo Hyundai or Kia out of desperation I might give them a pass, an employee bought a Mitsubishi several years back and I didn't give them too much shit (just a little) because I drove past the plant that made it 100 miles outside Chicago 1000 x there are some American car makers that buy many parts from the CCP and have them assembled in Mexico etc.
Hopefully Our Lord and Savior will change that.
But anyone that deliberately buys foreign products over American is a traitor and should be shot for treason.
You know the guy that only buys Asian cars only buys Asian phones only uses Asian airlines etc.
He hates America but insists on living here, albeit California.
If someone is poor and must shop at Walmart or Amazon for their cheap plastic garbage from the CCP I understand and.
I'm hoping Our Lord and Savior ends that as well.
The Tariff God returns Jan 20 2025.For a Western European, most american cars are lower quality than Europeans. And I also worry about Boeing safety, compare to Airbus. I would buy only a charger V8 for the legend, but not to drive 80000 kms per year between Paris and Germany.
MarquisdeSade1
01-07-25, 14:12
Considering all the lardasses we have in this county 900 k number is seems a bit low, it should have been more than that. It did thin them out as COVID was tough on the morbidity obese. Two in my neighborhood died and they were 300 lbs+ and that's being kind. We are the most overweight country on earth and they will cripple the Medicare system with health issues if they live that long. COVID did us a favor.Thin the Herd they say Thin the Herd!!
We got more Not Morbidly Obese Morbidly Obese Not Tiny Tinas coming in, brace yourselves!!
MarquisdeSade1
01-07-25, 16:50
For a Western European, most american cars are lower quality than Europeans. And I also worry about Boeing safety, compare to Airbus. I would buy only a charger V8 for the legend, but not to drive 80000 kms per year between Paris and Germany.Lower quality than Europe? LOL which countries lololol.
Boeing has had a few problems but I think you are trying to exaggerate them, and I was reading about the source of most of the issues.
Are you ready? Outsourcing to India.
I don't want my medicines made in India nor do I want my planes parts designed there or its flight software made in any degree there either.
I see that my original reply to Tiny that I submitted before the now previous Oh, BTW post submission mysteriously got lost in transit and never showed up. See, that Oh, BTW subject title meant I was adding something to that earlier reply.
You know, the one that mysteriously got lost.
Oh well.
So I will repost that original reply here:
You're twisting Thune's words. Certainly the effects of the TCJA weren't realized in 2017. The bill didn't even take effect until 2018. In 2019 there was a huge jump in real median household income and 50 year lows in unemployment. Was all this because of the TCJA? Certainly not. Trump's deregulation helped too, and perhaps even more so factors totally unrelated to politics.
The corporate rate cut that was part of the TCJA not only left more money in the hands of companies, to be used for expansion, jobs and higher salaries, but with time they resulted in the Treasury realizing more income than it would have without the cuts! That's primarily because of higher social security and Medicare contributions from people hired by corporations, as documented in the NBER paper I've linked to several times here. The USA during the Biden administration has benefited more from the corporate tax cuts than it did during Trump's time in office. And even Harris and Biden didn't want to take the federal rate back to where it was before the TCJA.
I'll get back to you on your other post when I have more time. I don't agree with all the parts of the TCJA, nor with Trump's proposed tariffs. Your link however is another classic example of Simpson's paradox -- when you add all the data together instead of segmenting it, in this case by specific changes in the tax code, you come up with a very distorted view of reality. Trump and the Republicans aren't going to eliminate the SALT cap, which would represent most of the tax savings realized by higher earners in the fictitious analysis by the left-biased Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy.Inheriting an economy already at a Fed-defined "Full Employment" level with regard to the unemployment rate and continuing its 7 year-long decline, as Trump did, would be a big contributor to whatever "historic lows" it eventually went to over the next year or more as long as Trump hadn't done anything to change what he inherited and only played golf.
Yes, we have all seen your NBER charts and graphs showing "that" an increase in the median wage happened in 2018 and 2019 but have yet to see from you any substantiation for "why" that happened in any way due to a TCJA that was utterly dismissed by the corporate CEOs it benefitted the most as any reason whatsoever for them to expand their businesses, hire more employees, raise anyone's wages, etc and instead to just buy back their own stocks. Which they did.
On the other hand I have many times posted several reports explaining exactly why wages increased for anyone in 2018 and 2019; that being thanks largely to primarily Blue Cities and Blue States raising the minimum wage in 2018 and 2019, contrary to what most Repubs ever want to happen, and the inevitable ripple effect on other / higher wages.
Now, on the "bias" you referred to for the ITEP link and data I posted previously, I can help you with that if you are short on time:
Media Bias/Fact Check.
Bias and Credibility
Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) Bias and Credibility
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/institute-on-taxation-and-economic-policy-itep/
Overall, we rate the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy Left-Center biased based on economic policy and High for factual reporting.
............
Detailed Report:
Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER (-3.2)
Factual Reporting: HIGH (1.1)
Country: USA
MBFCs Country Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY
Yep. Trump is already raising the prices on damn near everything even before he takes his Lie of Office again on the 20th.
BTW, his looming "policies", whether they happen or not, just him flappin his yap about it over and over again, are also the reason the Stock Market has been choppy and indecisive lately.
Thank you for your vote, MAGAs and that special demo in the three Swing States.
Got to admit, Trump is WAY ahead of his "Starting on Day One" campaign promise. His classic Repub economic policy and stewardship results have already started even before "Day One"!
Services index shows big jump in prices for December as companies fear tariffs
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/07/services-index-shows-big-jump-in-prices-for-december-as-companies-fear-tariffs.html?__source=androidappshare
Activity in the U.S. services industry accelerated in December but brought with it a sharp rise in expectations for price increases as businesses grew concerned about the impact tariffs would have on inflation.
LOL. Oh yes. Zuckerberg knows exactly what drives Trump and his MAGAs away like vampires from sunlight, holy water and crucifixes. Therefore, he knows what they need to be reeled back in:
Meta scraps fact-checking, brings back political content in latest Trump-friendly move.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/07/meta-eliminates-third-party-fact-checking-moves-to-community-notes.html?__source=androidappshare
Meta announced it will eliminate its third-party fact-checking program and implement a Community Notes model, similar to the one that exists on Elon Musks X.
CEO Mark Zuckerberg said the company is also bringing back political content on its platforms and removing restrictions on subjects like immigration and gender.
Meta announced the changes on Fox News.No facts, please, along with plenty of fact-free blather about MAGAs' favorite topics like trannies and caravans of murderous immigrants coming to get you, just like on X. And where better to make the announcement than Fux News!
He has touched all the necessary Trump / MAGA bases, by golly.
LOL. Honestly, I thought this was an SNL comedy bit when I first heard about it. You don't even need to parody and lampoon Trump / MAGA World to make them look like pathetic clowns. Just report the truth.
MarquisdeSade1
01-07-25, 23:39
https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2025/01/07/gallup-americans-remember-joe-biden-second-worst-president-history/
But they are being way too generous.
https://www.topspeed.com/the-most-reliable-american-cars-according-to-consumer-reports/
For a Western European, most american cars are lower quality than Europeans. And I also worry about Boeing safety, compare to Airbus. I would buy only a charger V8 for the legend, but not to drive 80000 kms per year between Paris and Germany.Indviduals such as yourself need to worry less about the quality of aircraft produced in the United States of America along with the quality of cars and tell their politicians to spend more money on defense or teach Russian in their schools.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-summit-defence/eu-to-deepen-military-readiness-raise-spending-leaders-say-idUSKBN1JP0ZF/
Most aircraft incidents are the result of human error Read the report I have provided here and tell me Sirioja what was the cause of this tragic accident with the Airbus-A350?
https://simpleflying.com/japan-airlines-airbus-a350-crash-haneda-human-error/
Man you really need to get your facts straight before making comments that sound like you are talking out the side of your neck. I am having trouble finding the country of Western European in google maps.
https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2025/01/07/gallup-americans-remember-joe-biden-second-worst-president-history/
But they are being way too generous.Oh, I see both you and your Winger link ommitted this part:
From the actual Gallup report:
More Democrats expect history to look kindly rather than critically on the Biden presidency -- 44% think it will be judged outstanding or above average, while 16% say below average or poor. But nearly as many Democrats believe Biden will be remembered as an average president (38%) as a good one.
Independents and Republicans are much more pessimistic in their evaluations of Bidens presidency. The slim majority of independents, 51%, believe Biden will get a negative historical review, compared with 15% who think hell get a positive one. Republicans overwhelmingly expect history to judge Biden harshly, including 76% who say he will be regarded as a poor president and 17% below average.Captain Obvious, indeed.
BTW, don't you think that is a weird polling question? I do.
The Gallup topic question was:
Americans Think History Will Rate Biden Presidency Negatively
I mean, why not ask what Americans think of the Biden presidency? Why ask what they think some historians will think about it in the future?
Oh, also BTW, your Winger link DID misrepresent what the exact Gallup poll question was, didn't they?
Your Winger link headline was:
Gallup: Americans to Remember Joe Biden as Second-Worst President in History
But that is not what that Gallup poll asked or showed.
Let me guess, you got a lead on this Winger link misrepresentation on newly fact-free Meta. Lolol.
Elvis 2008
01-08-25, 21:50
Considering all the lardasses we have in this county 900 k number is seems a bit low, it should have been more than that.Well, the food companies, which were taken over by the tobacco companies, love the fat shaming and personal responsibility line when it comes to obesity. Thing is Walmart followed people on the Ozempic like drugs, and they bought a helluva lot less food. If eating less were just will power, that should not be the case at all.
Then there are the obese people's favorite food, French fries. That is pretty simple to make right? Salt, potatoes, oil. And yet McDonald's got sued for having wheat (and milk) in their fries, https://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Article/2006/02/22/McDonald-s-faces-lawsuit-after-nutritional-info-slip/.
You might think that is just a few out of hundreds of millions of Americans have an issue with gluten but the reality is that at least one in three Americans is gluten sensitive.
And why is that? Gliadorphin (also known as gluteomorphin) is an opioid peptide that is formed during incomplete digestion of the gliadin component of the gluten protein. Wait, a lot of people who do not properly digest gluten get a heroin like high from wheat / gluten. Uh yeah, why do you think people like donuts so much?
As for milk, Casomorphin is an opioid peptide (protein fragment) derived from the incomplete digestion of the milk protein casein. And maybe that is why people love ice cream so much.
Of course, the tobacco companies know more about this more than anyone right? So if you want to sell more product / food, you put gluten and casein into damned near everything. And you do what McDonald's does and call the milk and wheat in their fries "seasonings".
After having my gall bladder out, my liver lets me know if I have eaten the wrong thing, but when I was in Europe recently, that did not happen once. And when I went to a concert there, not many obese were seen. I am not going to buy the Europeans as more disciplined line, not with the way those people smoke.
And then there was the walking angle. They take trains and walk so much more. Well, even walking five miles a day, only burns 500 calories. And there are the moped drivers, people on scooters who do not walk at all. Nah, that did not fit either.
And the crap the Europeans ate and drank at their concert was no different: beer, wine, bread, meats, cheeses. Hell, it may have been worse than an American concert. So why are Europeans thin?
Well, it turns out that European wheat has less gluten and is not drenched in Roundup, https://www.goodrx.com/well-being/diet-nutrition/gluten-europe-vs-united-states.
And Roundup may be the reason that wheat and milk are not properly digested and converted into heroin like substances.
I am not sure why fat people, lard asses, get such contempt from you. The diabetics, even thin ones, had a much harder time than the obese with Covid from what I saw. And I am not sure why you give thin diabetics, people in chronic pain, cancer patients, AIDS patients, and the heroin and meth addicts a pass when it comes to medical costs. A lot of those diseases are behavior related.
So maybe you should direct your anger at American food companies rather than obese Americans. Or maybe you get off looking at fat people and think you are better than them, that you exhibit more self control.
If you really feel that way, then maybe you should be posting in a place different than this. The average sex act takes nine minutes, and it is incredibly irrational to justify spending hundreds of dollars for such an act unless of course, you are an addict.
The pleasure I get from food and sex is much the same whereas other things like drugs or booze do not give me the near pleasure. The difference is unlike you I do not look at those doing drugs or drinking too much as morally weaker than me and cheer on their deaths.
In fact, if you get ripped off by a hooker, or get a deadly STD, some woman gets pregnant, or you even get killed when seeing a hooker, why should anyone have any sympathy for a sex addict like you? If it is good that food addicts die, why isn't it good that a disease spreading sex addict like you gets killed too?
Elvis 2008
01-08-25, 22:13
LOL. Oh yes. Zuckerberg knows exactly what drives Trump and his MAGAs away like vampires from sunlight, holy water and crucifixes. Therefore, he knows what they need to be reeled back in:
Meta scraps fact-checking, brings back political content in latest Trump-friendly move.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/07/meta-eliminates-third-party-fact-checking-moves-to-community-notes.html?__source=androidappshare
No facts, please, along with plenty of fact-free blather about MAGAs' favorite topics like trannies and caravans of murderous immigrants coming to get you, just like on X. And where better to make the announcement than Fux News!
He has touched all the necessary Trump / MAGA bases, by golly.
LOL. Honestly, I thought this was an SNL comedy bit when I first heard about it. You don't even need to parody and lampoon Trump / MAGA World to make them look like pathetic clowns. Just report the truth.Yeah, your take on it was predictable. The fact checkers are actually moving from California to Texas as Zuck has admitted the liberal fact checker bias.
No facts, please, along with plenty of fact-free blather about MAGAs' favorite topics like trannies and caravans of murderous immigrants coming to get you, just like on X. And where better to make the announcement than Fux News!And if you do not want to read that stuff, you do not have to. I would rather have the freedom to read what I want than what you want, state sponsored censorship. Thing is with Biden and you libs pushing censorship, other nations in the world got even more bold.
As promised, I'm getting back to you.
I see that my original reply to Tiny that I submitted before the now previous Oh, BTW post submission mysteriously got lost in transit and never showed up. See, that Oh, BTW subject title meant I was adding something to that earlier reply.
You know, the one that mysteriously got lost.
Oh well.
So I will repost that original reply here:
Inheriting an economy already at a Fed-defined "Full Employment" level with regard to the unemployment rate and continuing its 7 year-long decline, as Trump did, would be a big contributor to whatever "historic lows" it eventually went to over the next year or more as long as Trump hadn't done anything to change what he inherited and only played golf.
Yes, we have all seen your NBER charts and graphs showing "that" an increase in the median wage happened in 2018 and 2019 but have yet to see from you any substantiation for "why" that happened in any way due to a TCJA that was utterly dismissed by the corporate CEOs it benefitted the most as any reason whatsoever for them to expand their businesses, hire more employees, raise anyone's wages, etc and instead to just buy back their own stocks. Which they did.
On the other hand I have many times posted several reports explaining exactly why wages increased for anyone in 2018 and 2019; that being thanks largely to primarily Blue Cities and Blue States raising the minimum wage in 2018 and 2019, contrary to what most Repubs ever want to happen, and the inevitable ripple effect on other / higher wages.
Now, on the "bias" you referred to for the ITEP link and data I posted previously, I can help you with that if you are short on time:
Media Bias/Fact Check.
Bias and Credibility
Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) Bias and Credibility
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/institute-on-taxation-and-economic-policy-itep/I never wrote anything about 2018 Tooms. I wrote, "In 2019 there was a huge jump in real median household income and 50 year lows in unemployment. Was all this because of the TCJA? Certainly not. Trump's deregulation helped too, and perhaps even more so factors totally unrelated to politics..
Yes, it takes time for businesses to invest and hire people. The USA Economy is benefiting more now from the 2018 tax corporate tax cuts than it did in 2019. Lucky Biden.
Before the TCJA, the USA Corporate tax rate, federal + state, was around 40%, far higher than any developed country. If a multinational, including American companies, wanted to set up a business, why do it in California and pay 44% tax when it can pay 12.5% in Ireland? Ireland has gone from a poor country to one that has among the highest GDP / capita's in the world, higher than the USA, on the back of a low corporate income tax. The Republicans' tax cut, combined with also making it where an American company has to pay US tax on unrepatriated foreign income, are bringing some of that business back to the USA. And along with it comes more jobs and higher salaries.
As to ITEP, it's joined at the hip to Citizens for Tax Justice, and yes, it's left leaning. Your link says so.
Of course, we all know from the several reports I have linked that the idea of Trump's Repub TCJA generating "expansion, jobs and higher salaries" was not only laughed at by the very CEOs that windfall was meant to benefit the most even before it was signed and passed, but there is scent evidence that any of those things happened because of it even six years later. Piss-poor results on those supposed goals for the Trillions it added to the deficit.
But on the very idea that lowering corporate tax rates would ever produce such a result, there is a whole line of learned reasoning to suggest it would not.
If the corporate tax rate is higher and that company realizes a particularly profitable year, there will, not might, be a serious effort to avoid as much of that tax hit as possible by putting that money back into the business ASAP exactly as in your mythical response to the TCJA, open another factory or outlet, hire more employees, raise wages, contribute more to the general economy and so on specifically in order to avoid paying a high corporate tax rate on that profit. The positive ripple effect for the American Worker and Economy ensues.
However, if the corporate tax rate is lower, that same company owner or board will look at that same profit as more free and clear to take as realization, shrug off the tax concerns and spend it on, oh, let's say another villa in Italy, a couple of bitcoin, slip some of it into a few Repub MAGA 6 SCOTUS Christmas gift envelopes, pick up another Renoir for the bathroom, at best for America build a 6th mansion for themselves in Holmby Hills built by the already wealthiest contractors on earth.
At some point lower corporate tax rates are counterproductive to business expansion, adding jobs, raising wages, etc.
This idea that lowering top income margin or corporate tax rates will ever in history finally produce this mythical Supply-Side / Trickle-Down notable positive economic or jobs creation effect that Repubs and Bothsider / Neithersiders have been pining for since Calvin Coolidge / Herbert Hoover while it has so far only produced and presided over Great Depressions, Great Recessions and Massive Jobs Destruction along with skrocketing deficits has really gone beyond the mere juvenile and ill-informed and moved well into bizarre to the point of psychotic at this late date.
I think Trump wants to lower the corporate tax rate to 21% or maybe to zero, right? Lolol.
Now, that is not to say lowering those tax rates is not a very good idea based on the economic conditions at the time. But in the past 100 years no incoming Repub potus taking over from an outgoing Dem has inherited an economy that needs such a dramatic windfall put into the personal pockets of corporate CEOs or the already wealthiest top marginal income earners.No, no, no! Fortunately most Republicans and many Democrats, including Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, recognize that going back to a 35% federal corporate tax rate would be bonkers.
You've got it backwards. The dividend payout ratio for the S&P 500 was around 46% in 2017 and 50% in 2016. Now it's around 37%, which is to say corporations are investing MORE in their own businesses after the tax cut. And you do not want the tax code encouraging companies to retain earnings and invest them inefficiently, as you suggest. This happens when the tax on dividends is high. Companies hang onto most of their profits instead of distributing them out to shareholders. If you had a 100% tax on dividends for example, the buggy whip manufacturers never would have paid their shareholders dividends, who thus would never have reinvested said dividends in companies like Ford Motor Company. Your ideas if implemented in the 20th century would have Made America Great in Buggy Whip Manufacturing.
And Trump et al ALREADY cut the corporate rate to 21%. Biden and Harris wanted to take it back up to about 27% or 28%, not the 35% it was at before the TCJA.
I have no idea what happened in transition with my previous Which Trump policies, etc submission. The only thing that made it to post was my Subject title, "See graphs below:" and the screenshot of the 3 graphs. Very strange. Internet gremlins perhaps.
Luckily, I still had the original on hand to re-sibmit and here it is:
Do you not care who wins the presidency because when your preferred Repub wins and his policies you claim to prefer go utterly tits up into another Great Depression, Great Recession and / or Massive Jobs Destruction you can then claim, "Hey, I didn't vote for him"! Thanks to your having announced you're voting for Oliver or me? LOL.
Well, a whole bunch of other people think the person who runs on a set of economic policy plans and goals, promotes those plans after getting elected and more often than not gets a sizable percentage of those plans enacted by Congress even when the majority in one or both Houses of Congress are the other Party matters quite a bit to what kind of economic results are produced by those policies and plans he ran on, proposed and mostly got passed.
Not all of them can be somewhat weak on math. Or logic. Or easily observable reality. Or historical data and facts.
So on wars, did you like that Peace-lover Trump was happy to keep the USA Military embroiled in a combat War in Afghanistan for every day of his so-called presidency and, as if that wasn't enough USA War for his liking, he "peacefully" led a recruited mob of violent Insurrectionists into battle against America On American Soil before the screen door smacked him in the ass on the way out?
I mean, as opposed to the previous and current "warmongering" Dem presidents taking all of the heat and responsibility for pulling us out of a Repub-initiated War in the Middle East on their watch and the current one keeping us out of any combat War anywhere on the planet since his first year in office?
And on Trump's economic policy plans, I assume your income level falls within the top 1% or possibly, the top 5% percentile of incomes, the only groups who will not pay more to the government if Trump's, not ChristiFascist Mike's nor John Thune's, policies and plans are enacted?
A Distributional Analysis of Donald Trumps Tax Plan.
Oct. 7, 2024
https://itep.org/a-distributional-analysis-of-donald-trumps-tax-plan-2024/
See graphs below:Yes, Biden did indeed implement the policies and plans he ran on, proposed, and mostly got passed. And yes, according to Democrat Economists Larry Summers and Jason Furman his progressive handlers were indeed weak on math, logic, observable reality, and historical data and facts. Even Janet Yellen, Secretary of the Treasury, now admits the deficit spending got out of control. Cumulative inflation during Biden's term is up over 20%. We're running deficits close to 6% of GDP, in peacetime! When the economy's doing great! That's crazy. Even John Maynard Keynes would be rolling over in his grave.
Kudos to Biden for getting the USA out of Afghanistan at last, although the exit was very poorly planned.
OK, you owe me one because I unjustly accused you of benefiting from Bidenomics by receiving higher rental income on your California properties. So I'll let this slight pass, about my selfishness because you believe I'm in the top 5%. But get personal again and I shall respond in kind, as I have done with the Marquesa and shall do with Paulie in the Kyiv thread in due course.
As to the link, I don't believe the SALT cap should be removed. I don't believe overtime pay and tips should be exempted from income. And I certainly don't believe a 20% to 60% import tariff should be imposed. If you just went with my likes and dislikes of Trump's ideas, set out in the ITEP piece, the tax code would become more progressive than it is now. I do however favor a flatter tax structure and elimination of loopholes. Democratic politicians have continually promoted the fiction that just by making the rich pay their fair share, we can have universal health care and childcare and a new Cadillac in every garage. Which is bull shit. You're going to have to tax everyone to have the money to do that, like France does:
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2010/12/01/business/01economist--mulligan-dec/01economist--mulligan-dec-blog480.jpg
There is no free lunch.
MarquisdeSade1
01-09-25, 13:21
Oh, I see both you and your Winger link ommitted this part:
From the actual Gallup report:
Captain Obvious, indeed.
BTW, don't you think that is a weird polling question? I do.
The Gallup topic question was:
Americans Think History Will Rate Biden Presidency Negatively
I mean, why not ask what Americans think of the Biden presidency? Why ask what they think some historians will think about it in the future?
Oh, also BTW, your Winger link DID misrepresent what the exact Gallup poll question was, didn't they?
Your Winger link headline was:
Gallup: Americans to Remember Joe Biden as Second-Worst President in History
But that is not what that Gallup poll asked or showed.
Let me guess, you got a lead on this Winger link misrepresentation on newly fact-free Meta. Lolol.More Democrats expect history to look kindly rather than critically on the Biden presidency -- 44% think it will be judged outstanding or above average, while 16% say below average or poor. But nearly as many Democrats believe Biden will be remembered as an average president (38%) as a good one.
THEY HOPE LMAO.
With Afghanistan alone he is the bottom rung, not to mention letting 10 million psychopathic savages flood our streets.
Scumbag Joe belongs in prison with his whole Scumbag family and you know it as well as everyone else!!
As promised, I'm getting back to you.
I never wrote anything about 2018 Tooms. I wrote, "In 2019 there was a huge jump in real median household income and 50 year lows in unemployment. Was all this because of the TCJA? Certainly not. Trump's deregulation helped too, and perhaps even more so factors totally unrelated to politics..
Yes, it takes time for businesses to invest and hire people. The USA Economy is benefiting more now from the 2018 tax corporate tax cuts than it did in 2019. Lucky Biden.
Before the TCJA, the USA Corporate tax rate, federal + state, was around 40%, far higher than any developed country. If a multinational, including American companies, wanted to set up a business, why do it in California and pay 44% tax when it can pay 12.5% in Ireland? Ireland has gone from a poor country to one that has among the highest GDP / capita's in the world, higher than the USA, on the back of a low corporate income tax. The Republicans' tax cut, combined with also making it where an American company has to pay US tax on unrepatriated foreign income, are bringing some of that business back to the USA. And along with it comes more jobs and higher salaries.
As to ITEP, it's joined at the hip to Citizens for Tax Justice, and yes, it's left leaning. Your link says so.
No, no, no! Fortunately most Republicans and many Democrats, including Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, recognize that going back to a 35% federal corporate tax rate would be bonkers.
You've got it backwards. The dividend payout ratio for the S&P 500 was around 46% in 2017 and 50% in 2016. Now it's around 37%, which is to say corporations are investing MORE in their own businesses after the tax cut. And you do not want the tax code encouraging companies to retain earnings and invest them inefficiently, as you suggest. This happens when the tax on dividends is high. Companies hang onto most of their profits instead of distributing them out to shareholders. If you had a 100% tax on dividends for example, the buggy whip manufacturers never would have paid their shareholders dividends, who thus would never have reinvested said dividends in companies like Ford Motor Company. Your ideas if implemented in the 20th century would have Made America Great in Buggy Whip Manufacturing.
And Trump et al ALREADY cut the corporate rate to 21%. Biden and Harris wanted to take it back up to about 27% or 28%, not the 35% it was at before the TCJA.
Yes, Biden did indeed implement the policies and plans he ran on, proposed, and mostly got passed. And yes, according to Democrat Economists Larry Summers and Jason Furman his progressive handlers were indeed weak on math, logic, observable reality, and historical data and facts. Even Janet Yellen, Secretary of the Treasury, now admits the deficit spending got out of control. Cumulative inflation during Biden's term is up over 20%. We're running deficits close to 6% of GDP, in peacetime! When the economy's doing great! That's crazy. Even John Maynard Keynes would be rolling over in his grave.
Kudos to Biden for getting the USA out of Afghanistan at last, although the exit was very poorly planned.
OK, you owe me one because I unjustly accused you of benefiting from Bidenomics by receiving higher rental income on your California properties. So I'll let this slight pass, about my selfishness because you believe I'm in the top 5%. But get personal again and I shall respond in kind, as I have done with the Marquesa and shall do with Paulie in the Kyiv thread in due course.
As to the link, I don't believe the SALT cap should be removed. I don't believe overtime pay and tips should be exempted from income. And I certainly don't believe a 20% to 60% import tariff should be imposed. If you just went with my likes and dislikes of Trump's ideas, set out in the ITEP piece, the tax code would become more progressive than it is now. I do however favor a flatter tax structure and elimination of loopholes. Democratic politicians have continually promoted the fiction that just by making the rich pay their fair share, we can have universal health care and childcare and a new Cadillac in every garage. Which is bull shit. You're going to have to tax everyone to have the money to do that, like France does:
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2010/12/01/business/01economist--mulligan-dec/01economist--mulligan-dec-blog480.jpg
There is no free lunch.Trump had a shit jobs creation record vs Biden, Carter, Clinton, Obama, LBJ, etc. Even before Trump's Pandemic.
Had Biden done nothing for the next 4 years and his jobs creation record skyrocketed, I might see some merit in the $Trillion in deficit crap TCJA.
But that isn't the case.
Had dozens of primarily Blue Cities and Blue States done nothing to raise the minimum wage in 2018 and 2019, and had CEOs of the main beneficiaries of the TCJA not laughed at the notion that they would ever use that tax cut windfall to expand their businesses, hire more employees, raise wages, etc, there might be a possibility that the TCJA had anything whatever to do with incomes and household wealth increasing in those years.
But that isn't the case.
Had Biden not inherited the Worst Jobs Creation Record Since Herbert Hoover from Trump along with massive deficits, heading into a million Americans mass murdered, global supply-chains collapsing, a quagmire Repub-initiated War in Afghanistan, a raging Insurrection movement led by Trump, etc and instead inherited from Trump anything close to the economic conditions inherited by any incoming Repub taking over from any outgoing Dem in the past 100 years, I might consider him "lucky" to have somehow magically recovered every job Trump lost and added more in his four years than all 3 previous Repub potuses combined as well as pulling us out of Afghanistan in the most competent and effective, least deadly withdrawal from an occupied country by the losing side in the history of warfare.
But that isn't the case.
You're telling a little fib of ommision about Yellen, aren't you?
Janet Yellen: Covid stimulus may have contributed a little bit' to inflation
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/business/money-report/janet-yellen-covid-stimulus-may-have-contributed-a-little-bit-to-inflation/6099037/?os=firetvno_journeystruelr4geqf6&ref=app
Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said that Biden-era stimulus spending may have contributed "a little bit" to the country's subsequent inflation woes.
But the widespread rise in prices was mostly "a supply-side phenomenon" caused by the Covid-19 pandemic itself, Yellen told CNBC in an exit interview.
There were "simply huge supply chain problems," she said, adding that shortages of critical goods "started pushing up prices a great deal."
Yellen said she believed the $1.9 trillion Covid relief bill and other spending was necessary, and she did not answer directly when asked if she has any regrets about it.
Instead, she urged Americans to recall that the pandemic was "raging out of control" when Biden took office, with thousands of people dying from the virus each month and a high unemployment rate threatening livelihoods.Ah, see that sounds much more like the intelligent, well-informed, utterly credible person whose assessment I am sure you meant to condone.
And you're telling a little fib of ommission about ITEP too, aren't you?
Yes, my link characterized it as "left-center", but only for the words they use, not ON THE FACTS. I would say, for instance, the fact that their analysis even mentioned how much Trump's plans would cost everyone in America not in the top 1-5% percentile a whole month before the election justified that "left-center" Rating while it is highly unlikely a "right-center" policy research site would ever mention such a thing until that 95% of the country found themselves paying a shit-load more under Assistant President Trump and not really knowing why.
And now I see I needed to highlight the most important part of the Media Bias assessment of ITEP as far as any analysis of economic policy goes. So I will do that now:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/institute-on-taxation-and-economic-policy-itep/
Overall, we rate the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy Left-Center biased based on economic policy and High for factual reporting.
Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER (-3.2)
Factual Reporting: HIGH (1.1)
Country: USA
MBFCs Country Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Website
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITYThere. Isn't that better?
Now that you brought it up, while other rent increases in my rental property area were averaging 25-30% or more and for multiple years, I raised mine 5%. Those were hard times for everyone during Trump's Pandemic. And even though Trump's Pandemic caused costs for me to soar far more than 5%, just like everyone else, I could afford to be lenient with my tenants.
That was in 2022. Now that Biden has recovered the Trump / Repub Disastrous Economy and everyone is back on their feet and doing quite well, I just raised the rent 10%.
Oh, and remember way back when I had not gotten one of those Trump's Pandemic Emergency Relief Checks because it got lost in the mail? And my followup request for it with the IRS triggered a two year long audit of everything for the previous 4 years while the Repub Congress had refused and thwarted every effort by Biden and the Dems to hire more IRS agents in order to get these things done in a more timely manner? Well, after all the years of IRS auditing and scrutinizing of my tax returns, I did finally get that check and a bit more of a refund for a recent year that my tax preparer apparently missed but the IRS caught! Plus interest! Isn't that nice of them?
Just thought you'd like to know.
https://www.topspeed.com/the-most-reliable-american-cars-according-to-consumer-reports/
Indviduals such as yourself need to worry less about the quality of aircraft produced in the United States of America along with the quality of cars and tell their politicians to spend more money on defense or teach Russian in their schools.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-summit-defence/eu-to-deepen-military-readiness-raise-spending-leaders-say-idUSKBN1JP0ZF/
Most aircraft incidents are the result of human error Read the report I have provided here and tell me Sirioja what was the cause of this tragic accident with the Airbus-A350?
https://simpleflying.com/japan-airlines-airbus-a350-crash-haneda-human-error/
Man you really need to get your facts straight before making comments that sound like you are talking out the side of your neck. I am having trouble finding the country of Western European in google maps.This is big problem of USA, lack of knowledge for the world. Not many technical problems on many Boeing? Musk fucking the world with Tesla with polluting batteries and now bullshiting like Trump. For USA quality, also Cola and McDo making You obese, when I bicycle climb legends for my holidays, at my age and not anymore 20 . I wish Canada, Groenland and even Panama will resist to crazy dangerous Trump behaving like Putin who hold his balls in his hand after Moscow parties.
Having for the second time inherited a terrific economy from the outgoing Dem Administration's historic recovery, economic expansion, jobs creation and wage growth after cleaning up the colossal mess of everything handed to them by the outgoing Repub administration, Lucky Donald Trump faces the usual incoming Repub challenge:
How to "turn around" that terrific economy and reverse those terrific economic trajectories he inherited and produce the apparent Repub contractually-required shitstorm of economic failure and disaster. Again.
Trump is definitely working on it and way ahead of his Day One campaign promise schedule by already jacking up mortgage loan, shipping and retail costs with his constant blather about across-the-board trade war tariffs with our allies and adversaries alike.
But by all expert assessment and measures, Bidenomics, Biden's National Security, Foreign Policies and masterful stewardship have produce such solid, stable and steadily improving results it is going to take a lot more of Trump's Classic Repub horrific policies and stewardship results than usual to "turn it around" and get to that Repub contractually-required shitstorm of a mess of everything to hand off to the next Dem administration.
But what will it be this time? Only time will tell.
For sure, he'll have to be quite a bit more proactive to get there than relying on his Know Nothing, Do Nothing Repub Pink Tinkle Or Less Majorities in Congress to be so incapable of governing and getting anything done so he can use that as his lame excuse to just play golf, golf and more golf starting January 21 and wait for another Golden Trump's Pandemic Opportunity to come along. Although he is working on that too. He might actually have to do a little work every now and then this time.
Economy poised for a solid year in 2025. But these Trump plans could slow growth.
Jan. 6, 2025
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2025/01/06/us-economy-job-market-2025-outlook/77380490007/
Yet by raising prices, tariffs will reduce consumers buying power and purchases, he said. And less immigration means losing the spending of migrants who have bolstered consumption.
All told, economists estimate consumer spending will increase a healthy 2.4% this year, down from an estimated 2.6% in 2024, according to those surveyed. Consumption would be about a half point higher if not for the tariffs and immigration curbs, Zandi said.
Yep. Trump is already raising the prices on damn near everything even before he takes his Lie of Office again on the 20th.
BTW, his looming "policies", whether they happen or not, just him flappin his yap about it over and over again, are also the reason the Stock Market has been choppy and indecisive lately.
Thank you for your vote, MAGAs and that special demo in the three Swing States.
Got to admit, Trump is WAY ahead of his "Starting on Day One" campaign promise. His classic Repub economic policy and stewardship results have already started even before "Day One"!
Services index shows big jump in prices for December as companies fear tariffs
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/07/services-index-shows-big-jump-in-prices-for-december-as-companies-fear-tariffs.html?__source=androidappshareThe election was won by cats and some dead squirrel.
https://www.tiktok.com/music/Theyre-eating-the-dogs-Theyre-eating-the-cats-7413373879479192362?lang=en
https://www.tiktok.com/@smoothjasmine/video/7413845798905007403?is_from_webapp=1
Keep on pollution, Trump and look at hurricanes and houses burning. Electing such crazy orange with his jumping monkey, Musk, can make a difficult life.
I know what you mean. I felt the same way about GM cars back in the 90's and yet I persevered. I lost my mechanic's phone number after I switched to Japanese vehicles. I wonder how he's doing nowadays.
I for one, won't miss the gas stations, oil lube or mechanic shops. Good residence! I remember when Americans said similar things about the Japanese and then Korean vehicles. But I think, it won't be long, before we'll be saying the same thing about Chinese EVs.
For a Western European, most american cars are lower quality than Europeans. And I also worry about Boeing safety, compare to Airbus. I would buy only a charger V8 for the legend, but not to drive 80000 kms per year between Paris and Germany. .
With the influx of China EVs, becoming the norm in Europe and European car manufacturing shredding jobs like crazy, it's not looking so good for the survival of the European car market manufacturers.
Even worse is the car suppliers, are now expected to receive a long sustained period of lower growth, with many who are now seeing a massive downward trend for auto parts, as consumers are buying more EVs (Chinese, Korean or European), where less manufacturing of car parts are need, the are set to set to cut staff by 50% over 2025 and onward.
Legacy Automotive Fossil Fuel Fears in America Exist Too:
However, those same survival fears exist in the US too, as legacy automotive manufactures in the USA, struggle to keep pace with EVs and continue to cling to a archaic "drill baby drill", gas gosling, fossil fueled, solution, and look to deny, push back or repeal the advancements in EVs and clean energy solutions.
Just recently, the SCOTUS lead MAGA 6 (uncharacteristically), struck down and rejected the petition (submitted by Ohio and 16 other fascist Repub states), to have it rule on California's state right to govern and have jurisdiction over it own air quality and implement it's own clean air rules. The current EPA has now granted California's Air Resource Board approval, to enforce the latest new clear air mandates, which essential sets it on a path to ban the state sale of most ICE powered vehicles, by 2035.
But naturally, true to form the hypocrite and narcissist, Trump, America's Hitler, said he'd overturn and reverse the EPA's decision. So much for the Repub's hollow belief with regards to "state's rights", to set their own rules!
Trump and MAGA, would once again only serve to clownishly contradict themselves, like so many times, they've done before, applying a different set of rules for Repubs, when it suits them.
I for one, won't miss the gas stations, oil lube or mechanic shops. Good residence! I remember when Americans said similar things about the Japanese and then Korean vehicles. But I think, it won't be long, before we'll be saying the same thing about Chinese EVs.
With the influx of China EVs, becoming the norm in Europe and European car manufacturing shredding jobs like crazy, it's not looking so good for the survival of the European car market manufacturers.
Even worse is the car suppliers, are now expected to receive a long sustained period of lower growth, with many who are now seeing a massive downward trend for auto parts, as consumers are buying more EVs (Chinese, Korean or European), where less manufacturing of car parts are need, the are set to set to cut staff by 50% over 2025 and onward.
Legacy Automotive Fossil Fuel Fears in America Exist Too:
However, those same survival fears exist in the US too, as legacy automotive manufactures in the USA, struggle to keep pace with EVs and continue to cling to a archaic "drill baby drill", gas gosling, fossil fueled, solution, and look to deny, push back or repeal the advancements in EVs and clean energy solutions.
Just recently, the SCOTUS lead MAGA 6 (uncharacteristically), struck down and rejected the petition (submitted by Ohio and 16 other fascist Repub states), to have it rule on California's state right to govern and have jurisdiction over it own air quality and implement it's own clean air rules. The current EPA has now granted California's Air Resource Board approval, to enforce the latest new clear air mandates, which essential sets it on a path to ban the state sale of most ICE powered vehicles, by 2035.
But naturally, true to form the hypocrite and narcissist, Trump, America's Hitler, said he'd overturn and reverse the EPA's decision. So much for the Repub's hollow belief with regards to "state's rights", to set their own rules!
Trump and MAGA, would once again only serve to clownishly contradict themselves, like so many times, they've done before, applying a different set of rules for Repubs, when it suits them.As a Western European fed with quality standards, I don t buy chinese nor korean shit cars, nor chinese shit other products. I drive V8 Audi I powered with french E85 to save our planet, when batteries for Teslas and others make big pollution, Musk fucking our world. Just have to have a brain, when USA seem no brained, according to who they elected. I will ban USA products, under Trump and Musk who are bullshiting our world. I may buy a Dodge charger V8 , for the legend, but only after these 2 crazy. Our world have to resist to Trump, Musk and Putin, kind of 3 brothers.
Seriously. Is it really impossible for an outgoing Repub so-called president to hand off conditions like these to an incoming Dem President along with NO historic scandal, NO war, NO "Once in 100 Years Disaster", NO massive jobs destruction, NO skyrocketing crime rate, NO utter chaos and confusion at least once every century or so?
Apparently, it is.
USA Payrolls grew by 256,000 in December, much more than expected; unemployment rate falls to 4. 1%.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/10/jobs-report-december-2024.html?__source=androidappshare
Nonfarm payrolls surged by 256,000 for the month, up from 212,000 in November and above the 155,000 forecast.
The unemployment rate edged down to 4.1%, one-tenth of a point below expectations. A broader jobless measure moved down to 7.5%, a decrease of 0.2 percentage point and the lowest since June 2024.
................
The report brings to a close a year in which employment grew each month, though inconsistently and at times raising questions over whether a recession loomed. However, the final two months showed a labor market still operating at strength as the Fed contemplates its next moves on monetary policy.
Could it be that Trump's constant blathering about tariffs, trade and literal wars with our allies and adversaries alike, mass deportations and those horrible Cabinet nominations is working its predictable Classic Repub Results magic into the USA Economy and Stock Market a month earlier than his campaign promise to swing into action to achieve those results Starting On Day One?
Stock market gain that followed Trump's election win is close to being wiped out.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/10/trumps-election-market-bump-close-to-being-wiped-out.html?__source=androidappshare
The Trump bump could become the Trump slump.
The S&P 500′s return since Election Day has fallen to just around 0.5%. If that holds through Inauguration Day on Jan. 20, it will mark the worst performance for the broad index between an election and inauguration since Barack Obama came into the White House in 2009 amid the global financial crisis, according to data from Bespoke Investment Group.Damn. This terrific economy Dem Administration to Repub Administration handoff couldn't be more opposite than every horrific economy Repub Administration to Dem Administration handoff over the past 100 years.
Well, if you're going put a man in the White House known far and wide, domestically and globally, in and out of politics, for turning everything he touches into shit and then it dies, you shouldn't be surprised when the forward-looking Stock Market responds the same as when a previous Repub produced a historic existential threat to Capitalism itself.
Not even in the midst of an economy today that is by every measure The Envy of the World.
Oh well.
MarquisdeSade1
01-11-25, 00:02
Oh, I see both you and your Winger link ommitted this part:
From the actual Gallup report:
Captain Obvious, indeed.
BTW, don't you think that is a weird polling question? I do.
The Gallup topic question was:
Americans Think History Will Rate Biden Presidency Negatively
I mean, why not ask what Americans think of the Biden presidency? Why ask what they think some historians will think about it in the future?.https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/07/opinion/joe-biden-legacy.html
Biden's presidency will be remembered for four big illusions — and four big deceptions. They will not serve his legacy well.
The illusions: first, that the 2021 surge in migration was seasonal ("happens every single solitary year," as Biden said that March); second, that the Taliban would not swiftly seize Afghanistan ("the likelihood there's going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely," as he said that July); third, that inflation was transitory ("Our experts believe, and the data shows, that most of the price increases we've seen are expected to be temporary," also that July).
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The fourth, and the biggest: that he was the best Democratic candidate to defeat Donald Trump: "I beat him once, and I will beat him again," he often insisted, even after the debate debacle.
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That last illusion was pure hubris. But there was an arrogance to the first three, since he was loudly alerted (including by, well, me) on each point that he was making a fundamental mistake. The White House spent months in 2021 refusing to use the term "crisis" for the border — it was, instead, a "challenge. " Pentagon leaders warned the president that the Afghan government would soon collapse if the United States withdrew. Biden shrugged. Larry Summers was outspoken about the inflationary risks of Biden's $1. 9 trillion stimulus package. Biden ignored that, too.
Those misjudgments doomed the Biden presidency, which never had a positive approval rating after the Afghan withdrawal. Maybe senior Democrats like Nancy Pelosi could have helped their party's chances if they had had the talk with Joe and Jill Biden about his re-election prospects in the spring of 2022 instead of the summer of 2024. It was left to Dean Phillips, the former Minnesota representative, to play the part of the boy who says the emperor has no clothes. Someone ought to nominate him for a Profile in Courage Award.
Behind the misjudgments were the deceptions.
Biden ran in 2020 on the implicit but clear pledge that he intended to serve a single term. ("If Biden is elected, he's going to be 82 years old in four years," one campaign adviser told Politico in 2019, "and he won't be running for re-election. ") he promised to be a bipartisan and moderate figure in the White House: "Unity" was the theme of his Inaugural Address. He, along with his entire administration, insisted he was mentally and physically fit to serve a second term. And he promised not to pardon his son Hunter if he were convicted of crimes.
Of these deceptions, the first was the most forgivable and the most foolish: It's precisely because power is so alluring that the voluntary abdication would have been so admirable. His grudging decision in July not to run came too late to qualify as statesmanship.
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The other deceptions: less forgivable. The centrist voters who put Biden in the White House saw him as a safe and consoling pair of hands. Instead, he sought to govern as the second coming of Lyndon Johnson, with spending proposals amounting to $7. 5 trillion — nearly twice what we spent to win World War II, adjusted for inflation. And he took to denouncing "MAGA Republicans" as a threat to "the very foundations of our Republic. "
Those MAGA Republicans responded the next year by rallying again to Donald Trump, who now owes his second term to Biden's only term.
Worst of all were the last two deceptions. Last month, The Wall Street Journal published a comprehensive and devastating report on the president's failing health. The paper reported that a former aide recalled a national security official saying, "he has good days and bad days, and today was a bad day so we're going to address this tomorrow" — in the spring of 2021. Perhaps the president didn't notice his own decline, so the deception might not have been his. But his entire senior staff must have noticed, and, as The Journal reported, they took advantage of it to enhance their own power. It's a national scandal that deserves a congressional inquiry.
And Hunter? A father's love is admirable. A president's lie is not. In one of his last major political acts in office, Joe Biden forgot who he was. But it seems as if that already happened years ago. History won't be kind.
I for one, won't miss the gas stations, oil lube or mechanic shops. Good residence! I remember when Americans said similar things about the Japanese and then Korean vehicles. But I think, it won't be long, before we'll be saying the same thing about Chinese EVs.
With the influx of China EVs, becoming the norm in Europe and European car manufacturing shredding jobs like crazy, it's not looking so good for the survival of the European car market manufacturers.
Even worse is the car suppliers, are now expected to receive a long sustained period of lower growth, with many who are now seeing a massive downward trend for auto parts, as consumers are buying more EVs (Chinese, Korean or European), where less manufacturing of car parts are need, the are set to set to cut staff by 50% over 2025 and onward.
Fair enough, the first part of your post, except that Chinese EV's, for better or worse, won't catch on in the USA. Neither political party will let that happen. Both favor sky high tariffs on Chinese vehicles, and the Democrats will channel the EV pork to American companies that use union labor.
Fair enough. Yes, theoretically Chinese EV's should catch on here. They're great value for the money. But they won't. Both parties favor sky high tariffs on the Chinese, and the Democrats will restrict their EV subsidies to cars made by union labor, in America.
Legacy Automotive Fossil Fuel Fears in America Exist Too:
However, those same survival fears exist in the US too, as legacy automotive manufactures in the USA, struggle to keep pace with EVs and continue to cling to a archaic "drill baby drill", gas gosling, fossil fueled, solution, and look to deny, push back or repeal the advancements in EVs and clean energy solutions.
Just recently, the SCOTUS lead MAGA 6 (uncharacteristically), struck down and rejected the petition (submitted by Ohio and 16 other fascist Repub states), to have it rule on California's state right to govern and have jurisdiction over it own air quality and implement it's own clean air rules. The current EPA has now granted California's Air Resource Board approval, to enforce the latest new clear air mandates, which essential sets it on a path to ban the state sale of most ICE powered vehicles, by 2035.
But naturally, true to form the hypocrite and narcissist, Trump, America's Hitler, said he'd overturn and reverse the EPA's decision. So much for the Repub's hollow belief with regards to "state's rights", to set their own rules!
Trump and MAGA, would once again only serve to clownishly contradict themselves, like so many times, they've done before, applying a different set of rules for Repubs, when it suits them.And I agree completely with you about California, except when you're talking about "clean air", you really mean "lower CO2 emissions." Californians should have the right to slit their own throats with restrictions and subsidies to promote renewable energy. The average Californian pays around 30 cents per kilowatt hour for electricity. I pay 14 cents. And they pay $4. 30 a gallon for gasoline, compared to $2. 80 where I live. In fact, overall, the cost of living in California is 38% higher than for the nation as a whole! The cost of renting or buying a house is 97% higher! No wonder there are so many homeless people there. Say what you will about Tooms, he's a shrewd real estate investor, buying in California.
One point of disagreement. By your definition of fascism as it applies to energy and states rights, Trump and the Republicans are pikers compared to Biden, Obama and Washington Democrats. There are a lot of West Virginians out of work because of the Democrats' war on coal. Major pipelines planned for North Dakota and West Virginia were scotched by executive order. The federal government is not issuing permits for new LNG projects, which is ridiculous considering the LNG would largely replace coal. (Coal emits more CO2 than natural gas.) Biden held true to his campaign promise for a while and stopped issuing drilling permits and leases for the federal offshore and federal lands, although the courts and political reality shut that down. NONE of that would have happened if it were left up to the people and politicians in the states affected.
Then are the $7500 tax credits wealthy EV owners get. In fact a lot of us red state taxpayers don't appreciate the $1.2 trillion (according to Goldman Sachs) in renewable energy pork dished out in the Inflation Reduction Act, which we'll have to pay for.
Californians should be free to legislate any subsidies or restrictions like the above they want. But yeah, I agree, having them imposed or prevented by Washington D.C. for the states affected is kind of fascistic.
It's nice to kind of be on the same page with you for once!
Now that you brought it up, while other rent increases in my rental property area were averaging 25-30% or more and for multiple years, I raised mine 5%. Those were hard times for everyone during Trump's Pandemic. And even though Trump's Pandemic caused costs for me to soar far more than 5%, just like everyone else, I could afford to be lenient with my tenants.
That was in 2022. Now that Biden has recovered the Trump / Repub Disastrous Economy and everyone is back on their feet and doing quite well, I just raised the rent 10%Kudos, honestly. You deserve praise for what you did.
Otherwise I don't agree with much in your post.
... The petition submitted by Ohio and 16 other fascist Repub states), to have it rule on California's state right to govern and have jurisdiction over it own air quality and implement it's own clean air rules. The current EPA has now granted California's Air Resource Board approval, to enforce the latest new clear air mandates, which essential sets it on a path to ban the state sale of most ICE powered vehicles, by 2035.
But naturally, true to form the hypocrite and narcissist, Trump, America's Hitler, said he'd overturn and reverse the EPA's decision. So much for the Repub's hollow belief with regards to "state's rights", to set their own rules!
Trump and MAGA, would once again only serve to clownishly contradict themselves, like so many times, they've done before, applying a different set of rules for Repubs, when it suits them.Don't you know how "uncompromising" Republicans and their mantras are about the sanctity of states rights?
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/07/opinion/joe-biden-legacy.html
Biden's presidency will be remembered for four big illusions and four big deceptions. They will not serve his legacy well.
The illusions: first, that the 2021 surge in migration was seasonal ("happens every single solitary year," as Biden said that March); second, that the Taliban would not swiftly seize Afghanistan ("the likelihood there's going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely," as he said that July); third, that inflation was transitory ("Our experts believe, and the data shows, that most of the price increases we've seen are expected to be temporary," also that July).
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The fourth, and the biggest: that he was the best Democratic candidate to defeat Donald Trump: "I beat him once, and I will beat him again," he often insisted, even after the debate debacle.
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That last illusion was pure hubris. But there was an arrogance to the first three, since he was loudly alerted (including by, well, me) on each point that he was making a fundamental mistake. The White House spent months in 2021 refusing to use the term "crisis" for the border it was, instead, a "challenge. " Pentagon leaders warned the president that the Afghan government would soon collapse if the United States withdrew. Biden shrugged. Larry Summers was outspoken about the inflationary risks of Biden's $1. 9 trillion stimulus package. Biden ignored that, too.
Those misjudgments doomed the Biden presidency, which never had a positive approval rating after the Afghan withdrawal. Maybe senior Democrats like Nancy Pelosi could have helped their party's chances if they had had the talk with Joe and Jill Biden about his re-election prospects in the spring of 2022 instead of the summer of 2024. It was left to Dean Phillips, the former Minnesota representative, to play the part of the boy who says the emperor has no clothes. Someone ought to nominate him for a Profile in Courage Award.
Behind the misjudgments were the deceptions.
Biden ran in 2020 on the implicit but clear pledge that he intended to serve a single term. ("If Biden is elected, he's going to be 82 years old in four years," one campaign adviser told Politico in 2019, "and he won't be running for re-election. ") he promised to be a bipartisan and moderate figure in the White House: "Unity" was the theme of his Inaugural Address. He, along with his entire administration, insisted he was mentally and physically fit to serve a second term. And he promised not to pardon his son Hunter if he were convicted of crimes.
Of these deceptions, the first was the most forgivable and the most foolish: It's precisely because power is so alluring that the voluntary abdication would have been so admirable. His grudging decision in July not to run came too late to qualify as statesmanship.
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The other deceptions: less forgivable. The centrist voters who put Biden in the White House saw him as a safe and consoling pair of hands. Instead, he sought to govern as the second coming of Lyndon Johnson, with spending proposals amounting to $7. 5 trillion nearly twice what we spent to win World War II, adjusted for inflation. And he took to denouncing "MAGA Republicans" as a threat to "the very foundations of our Republic. "
Those MAGA Republicans responded the next year by rallying again to Donald Trump, who now owes his second term to Biden's only term.Hey, thanks for that link.
I knew Biden was an extremely honest man and President. But I had no idea he was so honest it is hard even for his highly financially-motivated Dem-bashing adversaries in Mainstream Media to find so much as 1-2 out of potentially 4 rather unintentional falsehoods that actually mattered all that much in the scheme of things historically, none of which put a dent in his unprecedented record of Peace, Economic, Health and Well-being Recovery, Jobs Creation, etc, etc, etc now and well into the future.
Unless a Repub or 280 succeed in really fucking it up for the future, that is.
That's very, very impressive, especially in the Nude Grinbitch, Moscow Mitch, Trump, MAGA era. Makes me even more proud of my votes for him, his VP and presidential candidate Harris.
Washington Post counts 30,573 false or misleading claims in four years by Trump.
Jan. 20, 2021
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/535081-wapost-counts-30573-false-or-misleading-claims-in-four-years-by-trump/
The count resumes at 12 Noon on January 20,2025. And, for the sake of accuracy, they really should start the count at the first of those 35 words in the Oath of Office he will start lying about before his Trump's Pandemic Or Whatever Once in 100 Years Disaster he Can Find or Create, Part 2 term technically begins.
This is big problem of USA, lack of knowledge for the world.I won't disagree with you there. But you are responding to someone who does not live in USA so that is not applicable to me.
Not many technical problems on many Boeing? Airbus is the safer aircraft?
What caused the accidents?
I think that it would be interesting to describe in short the actual cause of the accidents. In the list below, each accident is presented with it's NTSB identifier, so if you want to get more information on a specific accident, simply make a search with that identifier.
Airbus 2014
ENG14IA028: engine fire due to blade fracture
Airbus 2015
CEN15IA225: crack in the windshield outer pane due to moisture
Airbus 2016
ENG17IA003: engine fire due to fuel manifold fatigue crack
Airbus 2017
DCA17CA087: parking brake malfunction that caused a sudden stop while taxiing
DCA17WA115: problems with the wing spoilers during climb, returned to airport
Airbus 2018
DCA18LA163: engine fire due to hydraulic fluid leakage
Airbus 2019
No accidents
Airbus 2020
ENG21WA010: engine sparks and vibrations during cruise
Airbus 2021
No accidents
Airbus 2022
DCA22LA212: uncommanded movement of the horizontal stabilizer control wheel
Airbus 2023
ENG23LA033: loss of both electrical generators
Airbus 2024
No accidentsOne of the big problem of haters is that they are so wrapped up in their hate they cannot get their facts straight.
For USA quality, also Cola and McDo making You obeseMaking who obese? Have you ever seen me? No one is forced to consume items from either of the name brands you mentioned.
I wish Canada, Groenland and even Panama will resist to crazy dangerous Trump behaving like Putin who hold his balls in his hand after Moscow parties.Do you define the AK-47 as a safe and healthy product. My understanding is that is used around the world to kill people. Please correct me if I am wrong.
The AK-47 is perhaps one of the most recognizable automatic rifles in the world. This simple gun, produced by Mikhail Kalashnikov, was initially intended to replace the rifles and submachine guns carried by Soviet forces at the end of WW2. However, it quickly became the weapon of choice during most conflicts following the Second World War.https://historyguild.org/the-story-of-the-ak-47-the-worlds-most-famous-and-deadliest-rifle/
Weird, so many fire starting around LA. Despite no rain and strong wind, but so many starting can t be only natural. A bit same like free weapons killing people and children in schools, when USA killed all Indians long time ago.
Weird, so many fire starting around LA. Despite no rain and strong wind, but so many starting can t be only natural.Are you implying that the LA Fires have something to do with politics. The fires have occurred throughout history from natural and man made causes.
https://projects.capradio.org/california-fire-history/#6/38.58/-121.49.
A bit same like free weapons killing people and children in schools, when USA killed all Indians long time ago.[ / be]Inaccurate[be]!
[QUOTE]From the earliest European visitors to the period of Westward Expansion, white settlers encountered American Indians. Though many of these meetings were peaceful, the cultures more often clashed, resulting in hundreds of battles and skirmishes between the Indians and pioneers encroaching upon their lands, as well as conflicts between the tribes and the USA Army. Though confrontations with the Indians virtually occurred since the first European explorers and settlers set foot on American soil[ / QUOTE]https://www.legendsofamerica.com/indian-wars/.
[be]Atrocities occurred[ / be] as they do in an war. But so did slavery and I do not see you complaining about that historical fact.
I won't disagree with you there. But you are responding to someone who does not live in USA so that is not applicable to me.
Airbus is the safer aircraft?
What caused the accidents?
One of the big problem of haters is that they are so wrapped up in their hate they cannot get their facts straight.
Making who obese? Have you ever seen me? No one is forced to consume items from either of the name brands you mentioned.
Do you define the AK-47 as a safe and healthy product. My understanding is that is used around the world to kill people. Please correct me if I am wrong.
https://historyguild.org/the-story-of-the-ak-47-the-worlds-most-famous-and-deadliest-rifle/I tell about USA, not about somebody I don't know. I would feel much more safe in a Airbus than in a Boeing now. I don't care about Republicans or Democrats, when I don't live in USA, but I find Trump same shameful dangerous than Putin. I support Ukraine, even I love Russia but hate Putin. I also support Canada and Greenland / Denmark, stay away crazy Trump.
Weird, so many fire starting around LA. Despite no rain and strong wind, but so many starting can t be only natural. A bit same like free weapons killing people and children in schools, when USA killed all Indians long time ago.Terrible and sad what is happening around LA, but a bit funny rich and claimed strong USA need help of poor Mexico to stop probably criminal fires, when too numerous to happen naturally. Also funny, USA seem to have only small helicopters to send water? Don't they have big and more powerful planes to send more water? When USA claim to be so powerful, but not able to protect so many houses and people who died.
34 times convicted Felon Conman Donald Trump conned his lemming sucker MAGAs into hating President Joe Biden's terrific Inflation Reduction Act so well, 77 Million of those numbskulls voted for him to destroy it and thereby cut their beloved Repub Party's own throat.
Lololol. Biden is not only one of the best Presidents in history, he is a goddam genius!
Why Trump and GOP attacks on IRA can't score a clean sweep in red states.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/12/trump-gop-attacks-on-ira-wont-score-clean-sweep-in-red-states.html?__source=androidappshare
The clean energy labor market, highlighted by EV and battery tech jobs, remains a fraction of the total U.S. employment pool of roughly 160 million workers.
But it is growing, and growing specifically in red and swing states key to Republican politicians.
Tough talk from President-elect Trump and House Speaker Mike Johnson about cuts to President Bidens Inflation Reduction act will require consideration of jobs in states run by Republican governors, local Congressional districts held by the GOP, and a growing portion of climate tech jobs with support from labor unions.
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The new Republican-majority Congress has wasted no time in making its energy priorities clear. Speaker of the House Mike Johnson said from the House floor minutes after his reelection, We have to stop the attacks on liquefied natural gas, pass legislation to eliminate the Green New Deal. ... Were going to expedite new drilling permits, were going to save the jobs of our auto manufacturers, and were going to do that by ending the ridiculous E.V. mandates.
Data from the auto industry shows a more complicated story. There are more investments in EVs and related battery technologies in states under the control of Republican governors than in states run by Democrats. The top 10 states for total investments in EV technology, according to the Alliance for Automotive Innovation, are either solidly red or swing states such as Michigan, Arizona, North Carolina and Nevada. Far from help the fortunes of automakers, Trump confidante Elon Musk is on record as saying that repealing EV incentives would be a pill he could swallow, even as CEO of Tesla, because it would hurt other automakers even more.
Amending or possibly repealing the Inflation Reduction Act, President Joe Bidens sweeping 2022 law that allocates approximately $369 billion over the next decade to clean-energy and climate-related projects, has been a talking point for President-elect Trump and many members of the GOP. Not a single Republican voted in favor of the bill saying its subsidies, tax credits, grants and loans are wasteful government overreach and the party and Trump have since railed against it.
On this years campaign trail, Trump said he will rescind all unspent funds under the misnamed Inflation Reduction Act.
He and fellow Republicans have also talked about eliminating the IRAs $7,500 federal personal tax credit for buying a new electric vehicle, as well as various incentives for private companies investing in manufacturing solar panels, wind turbines, EV batteries, heat pumps and other clean-energy products.
But in an interview with CNBC last fall, Speaker Johnson hinted at the potential problem for the GOP now that investments have been made, and job growth continues to climb, across Republican states. He said it would be impossible to blow up the IRA, and it would be unwise, since some aspects of the terrible legislation had helped the economy. Youve got to use a scalpel and not a sledgehammer, because theres a few provisions in there that have helped overall, Johnson said.
The economic boost that hundreds of IRA-funded projects have given the country, beyond just the EV industry, are predominantly in red states and the hundreds of thousands of clean-energy jobs linked to the IRA as well as the bipartisan Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act and the CHIPS and Science Act. A vast portion of that workforce voted for Republicans in November, and jeopardizing their livelihoods could fuel a balloting backlash.
"The IRA is the quintessential policy that can create jobs, drive economic growth and improve our economy, said Bob Keefe, executive director of E2, a nonprofit environmental advocacy group comprising about 10,000 business leaders and investors, while at the same time giving us the tools to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
(See link for more)So now Brilliant Biden has put ChristoFascist Mike into the same corner as he put President-elect Musk and his Assistant Trump.
Musk: Gee, nobody knew cutting even $1 Trillion or less from the deficit was hard, much less $2 Trillion!
Trump: Gee, nobody knew reducing the cost of "groceries", that word I invented and now everyone is using it, was hard!
ChristoFascist Mike: Gee, nobody knew saving hundreds of thousands of Repub jobs in Repub and Swing States rather than destroying Planet Earth was hard!
Lololol.
Elvis 2008
01-14-25, 12:29
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However, those same survival fears exist in the US too, as legacy automotive manufactures in the USA, struggle to keep pace with EVs and continue to cling to a archaic "drill baby drill", gas gosling, fossil fueled, solution, and look to deny, push back or repeal the advancements in EVs and clean energy solutions.
Just recently, the SCOTUS lead MAGA 6 (uncharacteristically), struck down and rejected the petition (submitted by Ohio and 16 other fascist Repub states), to have it rule on California's state right to govern and have jurisdiction over it own air quality and implement it's own clean air rules. The current EPA has now granted California's Air Resource Board approval, to enforce the latest new clear air mandates, which essential sets it on a path to ban the state sale of most ICE powered vehicles, by 2035.
But naturally, true to form the hypocrite and narcissist, Trump, America's Hitler, said he'd overturn and reverse the EPA's decision. So much for the Repub's hollow belief with regards to "state's rights", to set their own rules!
Trump and MAGA, would once again only serve to clownishly contradict themselves, like so many times, they've done before, applying a different set of rules for Repubs, when it suits them.On the one hand you have a point. Chinese EV manufacturers arre producing the most flawless automobiles every made. OTOH, you are ignoring what a complete pain in the ass EVs are and how terrible they really are for the enviorment, and consumers do not want them because they are a pain the ass and are goint to cost us in a massive upgrade of the electrical grid. Natural gas seems a helluva lot cleaner than solar and wind and like most of the green revolution, the "clean" energy products originate from China which might have the worst air quality on the planet.
I would not argue that this is about state's rights but more like the executive branch shoving EVs down our throats and much like Covid was, it is this wonderous mixture of American bureaucrats and the CCCP making these horrible things happen. We need to create deadly viruses to save he world. We have to pollute the shit out of China to produce "clean" green technologies.
I remember when we had two days without electricity in Texas due to a once in a century snowstorm. Houston of all places got snow. Thing is I did have a few hours of electricity each day for two days but man did the government take shit about that. Friends and relatives from Califronia called and asked me about the problems we had as if two days of partial power was similar to the hellish browouts Califronia has gone through for years.
Thing about being a dumb Dem is worrying about the stupid shit, global warming, mysterious viruses, drilling for oil and gas, and DEI hires to combat white supremacy and privilege.
In the mean time, you have fire hydrants that do not work in the LA area, and these fires which are part of the ecosystem, are now being blamed on global warming. Ah yes, we need to buy EVs not have water on hand to combat fires. How fucking stupid.
Then you have the whole Ukraine and Putin thing. As I have said countless times, this was Biden promoting war in hopes of re-election. He provoked the Russian response and the dumb Dems who still think Trump and Putin are buddies and Putin is the reason Trump won in 2016 all fell into line, and we spent billions over a country where the USA has zero vested interests. Of course, Biden had a vested interest in hiding his money laundering.
As I have said countless times, the money spent in Ukraine could have been used to built a nautral gas and water pipeline from Alaska to the West Coast. That is the difference between a Texan and Californian. If I pull up the tap and water does not come out or I flip a switch, and there is no electricity, some pol is out on his ass, and they know it. In California, you come up with some bullshit about EVs, global warming, and Putin as the reason why there is no fucking water, and the dumb Dems eat it up. It is Trump's fault there is no water. Global warming is a Russian plot!
And the money to rebuild California is going to come from all of us not just California itself. Insurance rates are going to rise around the country to pay for this shit. Again, if it is an unpredictable disaster, that is one thing. But maybe, just maybe, you might start to listen to those who defected from the Democrats and why. One example of this type of person is Joe Rogan.
Joe Rogan: I talked to a fireman once, this is one of the reasons it freaked me out, and he was telling me, he goes, "Dude, one day," he goes, "It's just going to be the right wind and fire's going to start in the right place and it's going to burn through LA all the way to the ocean, and there's not a fucking thing we can do about it. " I go, "Really?" he goes, "Yeah, we just get lucky. " he goes, "We get lucky with the wind. ".
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
Joe Rogan: he goes, "But if the wind hits the wrong way, it's just going to burn straight through LA and there's not going to be a thing we could do about it. " Because these fires are so big, dude. You're talking about thousands of acres that are burning simultaneously with 40 mile an hour winds, and the wind's just blowing embers through the air and those embers are landing on roofs and those houses are going up and they're landing on bushes, and those bushes are going up and everything's dry. And once it happens, it happens in a way where it's so spread out that there's nothing they can do. There's nothing they can do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just have to evacuate, right?
Joe Rogan: Nothing. Nothing they can do.
Of course, having water and not EVs might be something that can be done.
Elvis 2008
01-14-25, 12:42
Of all the stupid shit in America, the worst is we have more people in jail than anywhere else. It follows that the reason for that is not that we have more crime but we have more lawyers, and putting people in jail is the ultimate show of power by these fucking attorneys.
So the latest in the completely idiotic lawfare saga is Trump was found to be a criminal but is not going to serve any jail time, and this is why lawyers are such pieces of shit. Jails are supposed to be for people who are a threat to others and they are supposed to be full of guilty criminals. When you go to the time and expense of a trial and come up with some crime no one has ever heard of and you call someone a criminal and do not put him in jail, what the fuck is the point of the legal system supposed to be?
This was not about prosecuting someone who committed a crime and was a threat to society. It was about prosecuting someone who was not liked in one part of the country. If there was any doubt that prosecuting Trump was about trying to use the justice system to rig an election, this should seal it. Just like southern California is suffering because it re-elects pols whose sole qualification is party affiliation, I hope that all the dumb Dems who supported this lawfare crap end up in jail. That would be poetic justice.
Of all the stupid shit in America, the worst is we have more people in jail than anywhere else. It follows that the reason for that is not that we have more crime but we have more lawyers, and putting people in jail is the ultimate show of power by these fucking attorneys.
So the latest in the completely idiotic lawfare saga is Trump was found to be a criminal but is not going to serve any jail time, and this is why lawyers are such pieces of shit. Jails are supposed to be for people who are a threat to others and they are supposed to be full of guilty criminals. When you go to the time and expense of a trial and come up with some crime no one has ever heard of and you call someone a criminal and do not put him in jail, what the fuck is the point of the legal system supposed to be?
This was not about prosecuting someone who committed a crime and was a threat to society. It was about prosecuting someone who was not liked in one part of the country. If there was any doubt that prosecuting Trump was about trying to use the justice system to rig an election, this should seal it. Just like southern California is suffering because it re-elects pols whose sole qualification is party affiliation, I hope that all the dumb Dems who supported this lawfare crap end up in jail. That would be poetic justice.I found this within 10 seconds of typing out, with just one thumb on my smartphone, the obvious Google Search question on the topic:
Trump Formally Convicted But Faces No Punishment.
Jan. 10, 2025
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2025/01/10/trump-not-sentenced-to-any-punishments-in-hush-money-criminal-case/
Judge Juan Merchan gave Trump an unconditional discharge meaning his conviction stands, but he wont face any penalties after Trump was found guilty in May on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records, letting the president-elect walk free without any punishments.
The sentence falls far short of the maximum penalties that Trump could have faced, as each of his 34 counts was punishable by up to four years in prison and/or a maximum $5,000 fine meaning the harshest sentence could have seen Trump imprisoned for the rest of his life, though that was always unlikely to happen.
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Merchan said last week he was inclined to impose the unconditional discharge sentence given Trumps impending presidency which prosecutors said they would not oppose and all but ruled out giving the president-elect prison time, noting it would not be practicable with Trumps upcoming inauguration.
The judge explained his decision for the lenient sentence on Friday, saying an unconditional discharge is the only lawful sentence that would not encroach upon the highest office in the land, though he made clear his decision is because of Trumps position and not him personally, specifying the protections shielding Trump from legal liability are afforded to the office of the President of the United States and not the occupant of that office.And I am adding a link to a reminder of the crimes for which Trump was convicted 34 times since it appears you have lost your memory on that as well as your thumbs:
What was Trump convicted of? Details on the 34 counts and his guilty verdict.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-charges-conviction-guilty-verdict/
I hope that helps. Sorry about the loss of your thumbs and your memory.
Of all the stupid shit in America, the worst is we have more people in jail than anywhere else. It follows that the reason for that is not that we have more crime but we have more lawyers, and putting people in jail is the ultimate show of power by these fucking attorneys.
So the latest in the completely idiotic lawfare saga is Trump was found to be a criminal but is not going to serve any jail time, and this is why lawyers are such pieces of shit. Jails are supposed to be for people who are a threat to others and they are supposed to be full of guilty criminals. When you go to the time and expense of a trial and come up with some crime no one has ever heard of and you call someone a criminal and do not put him in jail, what the fuck is the point of the legal system supposed to be?
This was not about prosecuting someone who committed a crime and was a threat to society. It was about prosecuting someone who was not liked in one part of the country. If there was any doubt that prosecuting Trump was about trying to use the justice system to rig an election, this should seal it. Just like southern California is suffering because it re-elects pols whose sole qualification is party affiliation, I hope that all the dumb Dems who supported this lawfare crap end up in jail. That would be poetic justice.Talking about hypocrisy what about Republicans wanting to jail Hunter Biden. Who was he a danger to. It's Felonius Trump who started all of this shit with "lock her up. " What about the thugs who attacked the Capital? They were violent and Trump wants to pardon them.
I am surprised that someone like you is on a site like this. You can't even access porn between consenting adults in states like Florida. Why are you here?
So the latest in the completely idiotic lawfare saga is Trump was found to be a criminal but is not going to serve any jail timeIt also pains me that Trump isn't going to serve any jail time in the next 4 years for his multiple criminal offences. Of course, by 2029, your LAS will have likely committed so many new crimes that the law might finally catch up with him, but then his SCOTUS buddies might throw him yet another bone, or his attorneys might get him off on some insane insanity defense, or he might drop dead after his yet another world famous healthy meal. The point is, he's unlikely to spend a day in a prison cell where he's so rightly belongs.
Then again, they wouldn't call him a Teflon Don for nothing, would they? Or was it Gotti?
Anyhoo, fun times ahead. Buckle up!
So when the American Importers of the goods pays the Trump Tariffs before those American business owners immediately pass that tax cost along to other American business owners who will pass it along to American Consumers, there will now be TWO USA Government agencies there to collect it from those American business owners; the USA Treasury Department AND this new and additional Government Agency that Trump wants to set up.
Which will presumably be headed by some Trump Crime Family Member or Trump / Repub Campaign Donor family member particularly adept as skimming.
However, someone should tell them there won't be anything to skim, not so much as a dime or a yen, "from Foreign sources" because, well, that isn't where the Trump Tariffs money comes from. It ain't inside those crates of Chinese-made Trump Bibles.
Trump says he'll create 'External Revenue Service' to collect tariffs.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/14/trump-external-revenue-service-tariffs-.html?__source=androidappshare
President-elect Donald Trump promised in a social media post to create an External Revenue Service to collect Tariffs, Duties and all Revenue from Foreign sources.
Trump did not give any more details about the proposed government entity.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection currently is responsible for collecting tariffs.All of which will no doubt pass muster just fine and dandy with the other Trump / Repub NEW and ADDITIONAL Department of Governmrnt Efficiency that is oh so efficiently headed by two, not one, Secretaries.
Got it?
Are you implying that the LA Fires have something to do with politics. The fires have occurred throughout history from natural and man made causes.
https://projects.capradio.org/california-fire-history/#6/38.58/-121.49.
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From the earliest European visitors to the period of Westward Expansion, white settlers encountered American Indians. Though many of these meetings were peaceful, the cultures more often clashed, resulting in hundreds of battles and skirmishes between the Indians and pioneers encroaching upon their lands, as well as conflicts between the tribes and the USA Army. Though confrontations with the Indians virtually occurred since the first European explorers and settlers set foot on American soilhttps://www.legendsofamerica.com/indian-wars/.
Atrocities occurred as they do in an war. But so did slavery and I do not see you complaining about that historical fact.Isn t Trump using what s happening around LA for his politics? When my meaning was so many fires can t start just naturally, same like many crazies killing with free weapons, when no more needing to protect versus Indians who were all killed in 19th century, not yesterday. Amazing such a sexual and other criminal like Trump could be elected. I let You imagine how our world, when USA are less than 5% , look at USA, when, same like China, they lower our quality of life, with their low quality products and low demanding level, when only all for money, but what is quality? Still to learn. When tok tok and bouc face are to lower level of our children and also many no brained ones. I fully agree about shame of slavery, when many black were in USA.
Elvis 2008
01-15-25, 13:55
Talking about hypocrisy what about Republicans wanting to jail Hunter Biden. Who was he a danger to. It's Felonius Trump who started all of this shit with "lock her up. " What about the thugs who attacked the Capital? They were violent and Trump wants to pardon them.
I am surprised that someone like you is on a site like this. You can't even access porn between consenting adults in states like Florida. Why are you here?The protesting J6 crowd was violent? Really? They all forgot their guns at home but gave out some really mean stares? The J6 crowd was the ones police were shooting at.
Ah yes, and we have the typical calling card of the dumb Dem, it is all Trump's fault. He did not prosecute Hilary you fool.
And whose DOJ prosecuted Hunter Biden? Uh, that would be Joe Biden's DOJ.
I never wanted Hilary prosecuted and am glad Trump did not do it, and Hunter Biden's case was Joe Biden's DOJ prosecuting him on something most of us found meaningless. Did you ever think that Joe Biden prosecuted Hunter to keep him under control?
No, everything is the fault of Trump and Republicans. Trump talked with Joe Rogan about how fucking stupid Gavin Newsome was with water management being before any of the fires happened, but you are too dense to believe it. Somehow in your head the fires in LA are the fault of Trump and Republicans.
Thanks for reminding me how foolish you Dems really are.
And why are you here? To make sure your SS check still gets through?
Would be great if no more war in Gaza, stopping killing children. Then, need to create country Palestine, like was Israel.
The protesting J6 crowd was violent? Really? They all forgot their guns at home but gave out some really mean stares? The J6 crowd was the ones police were shooting at.
Ah yes, and we have the typical calling card of the dumb Dem, it is all Trump's fault. He did not prosecute Hilary you fool.
And whose DOJ prosecuted Hunter Biden? Uh, that would be Joe Biden's DOJ.
I never wanted Hilary prosecuted and am glad Trump did not do it, and Hunter Biden's case was Joe Biden's DOJ prosecuting him on something most of us found meaningless. Did you ever think that Joe Biden prosecuted Hunter to keep him under control?
No, everything is the fault of Trump and Republicans. Trump talked with Joe Rogan about how fucking stupid Gavin Newsome was with water management being before any of the fires happened, but you are too dense to believe it. Somehow in your head the fires in LA are the fault of Trump and Republicans.
Thanks for reminding me how foolish you Dems really are.
And why are you here? To make sure your SS check still gets through?Your MAGAs not only didn't forget their guns at home, some slipped them past the metal detectors even before Trump shrugged off staff reports of them bringing their guns with an order to take down the metal detectors because, "They aren't here to hurt ME". Now, that's America First leadership for ya'.
Oath Keepers jury hears about massive weapon cache on Jan. 6
https://apnews.com/article/capitol-siege-florida-virginia-conspiracy-government-and-politics-6ac80882e8cf61af36be6c46252ac24c
WASHINGTON (AP) A member of the Oath Keepers who traveled to Washington before the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol testified Wednesday about a massive cache of weapons the far-right extremist group stashed in a Virginia hotel room.
Taking the stand in the seditious conspiracy case against Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes and four associates, Terry Cummings showed jurors an AR-15 firearm and an orange box for ammunition that he contributed to the so-called quick reaction force the Oath Keepers had staged at the hotel outside of Washington in case they needed weapons.
"I had not seen that many weapons in one location since I was in the military, said Cummings, a veteran who joined the Oath Keepers in Florida in 2020.
Prosecutors have said teams of Oath Keepers guarded the arsenal of firearms and were prepared to rush them into the hands of extremists in the capital if needed.They're not here to hurt me': Former aide says Trump knew Jan. 6 crowd was armed.
Cassidy Hutchinson described violent outbursts from the former president on Jan. 6
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/jan-6-panel-looks-trump-white-house-cassidy-hutchinson-testimony-rcna35550
However, even your MAGAs naturally assumed no so-called president would be numbskull enough to order the removal of the metal detectors and thereby invite them to bring in their guns. So in addition to stashing their arsenal nearby and at the ready, they brought plenty of other weapons with which to attack and kill cops in their mission to attack and kill VP Pence, Nancy Pelosi and every other duly-elected official they could find and who had not been taken to a secure place by the Capitol police and guards.
Oh, except their and your lord and savior, violent, cop-killing, America-hating, warmongering, Insurrection mob leader Donald Trump, of course.
Yes, Capitol Rioters Were Armed. Here Are The Weapons Prosecutors Say They Used
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/19/977879589/yes-capitol-rioters-were-armed-here-are-the-weapons-prosecutors-say-they-used
But a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large.
Those weapons brought violence and chaos to the Capitol. Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick died one day after two rioters allegedly sprayed him and other officers with what prosecutors describe as an "unknown chemical substance." Four other people in the crowd died in the insurrection, and more than 100 police officers suffered injuries, including cracked ribs, gouged eyes and shattered spinal disks.Damn. Nobody has ever seen or heard anyone love, embrace and blather out so much revisionist history and blatant, easily debunked lies about everything big and small as you, your MAGAs, your MAGA Leader Trump and all of his ass-licking sycophants.
I let You imagine how our world, when USA are less than 5% , look at USA, when, same like China, they lower our quality of life, with their low quality products and low demanding level, when only all for money, but what is quality?You mean you want me to imagine what the world would have looked like if the USA had not brought the full weight of its industrial production and ingenuity into opposition to evil that was prevailing in the world in during World War II?
You mean you want me to imagine what the world would have looked like if the USA had not brought the full weight of its industrial production and ingenuity into opposition to evil that was prevailing in the world in during World War II?We are now 80 years later. Also, if Europeans didn t sail to America, then still Indians living in peace and no USA. Fact on 2025 is USA elected a sexual criminal who also tried to destroy Capitol and constitution, this is now image for USA: a crazy dangerous shameful senile ugly orange. If he was not so dangerous, we would laugh a lot. About wars, even when losing in Vietnam or Afghanistan, USA always made good business with wars. Deaths for money business.
Many US women seem so scared, buying abortion pills or being operated not to be pregnant, before arrival of the senile orange devil. How is it possible? USA being a third world country for women freedom.
Funny, all over Western Europe, many people want to sell their Tesla, because they feel shameful about hysteric jumping monkey Musk. With criminal orange, both make USA image really down in the world. I find funny how people look at me when I say I don t want to buy a chinese phone or electric car because of chinese government, the country of lies and shame for me, and of course because I find shit quality. I also won t buy USA products because of Trump and Musk, when I think our world miss a real man, not a dangerous clown, like Obama, for a more peaceful world we need. USA have to understand they are less than 5% on our common planet which is already very sick and I would worry for children with bullshits on tok tok, bouc face, to lower their brain level and pollution making more and more problems. But senile Trump is not able to understand this.
Jan 20th 2025, the actual Adults will be back in the White House for the next 4 years.
Learn it, know it, live it.
Smoothie backwards, I knew I'd find you here. LOL.
Elvis 2008
01-17-25, 17:53
Cassidy Hutchinson described violent outbursts from the former president on Jan. 6LOL. And she has been proven to be such a liar there are some calling for her to be prosecuted for perjury. Pepper spray? Stun guns? Yeah, how many women carry those on them all the time? Unknown liquid? Oh, that is a great reason to shoot someone.
And more than 100 police officers suffered injuries, including cracked ribs, gouged eyes and shattered spinal disks?
And where is the video footage of all this? I would love for you to prove that spinal disks were shattered at J6 and not due to arthritis.
You must have missed the fact that there were FBI agents instigating a huge part of this (but it was always just Trump) and the police opening up gates and showing people around. Even now there are people in jail who were not violent and have not been charged with a crime. If you were involved in any part of J6, even being peaceful as Trump told protestors to be, there is a good chance you are in jail. That is Democratic party justice.
So while you Dems were off wasting taxpayer dollars on "violent" offenders, whatever the hell that means, and your buddy is bitching about not being able to watch porn, it may have slipped your mind that the trivial event of your beloved People's Republic of California is burning to a crisp.
Like I said, all you fools care about is banging broads abroad, and that those SS checks keep coming in and you believe Republicans are a threat to your government checks. You are completely out of touch with why Trump won.
Jan 20th 2025, the actual Adults will be back in the White House for the next 4 years.
Learn it, know it, live it.
Smoothie backwards, I knew I'd find you here. LOL.Why not call him a grownup?
Why capitalize "Adults"?
When I see capitalized "Adult" in the middle of a sentence, I always expect to see other words around it, like "entertainment" or at least XXX.
Is it your subconscious talking? I mean calling this perpetually silly, petty, vengeful, thin-skinned, lying, elderly man-child narcissist an adult must be a huge affront to the part of your psyche that's responsible for basic intelligence, no matter how deep inside you're trying to bury it.
I am sure his numbers will turnaround like nobody has ever seen by 12 Noon on January 21 after the price of eggs, gas and rent plummets and all those cop-attacking and killing Trump "patriots" that everyone saw on video rioting and invading the Capitol in Trump's Violent War Against America On American Soil are pardoned and released.
Trump's Approval Ratings Are Underwater And He's Not Inaugurated Yet
https://crooksandliars.com/2025/01/approval-ratings-are-underwater-and-hes
As Donald Trump prepares to take the oath of office for a second time, he claims to have a massive mandate to enact his destructive agenda. But new polling shows thats far from the truth.
A NPR/PBS News/Marist College poll released Wednesday shows that just 44% of Americans view Trump favorably, while 49% view him unfavorably. Thats nearly identical to the 45% approval rating Trump has in Civiqs tracking poll.
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The NPR/PBS News/Marist College poll has other warning signs for Trump.
Just 31% of Americans say the tariff policy Trump plans to enact would help the economy. That should be a flashing red warning light for Trump, showing that Americans will likely blame him if those tariffs cause prices to skyrocket, as economists expect.
Whats more, 62% of Americans oppose Trumps plan to pardon people who either pleaded guilty or were convicted of crimes for their role in the insurrection at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.
LOL. And she has been proven to be such a liar there are some calling for her to be prosecuted for perjury. Pepper spray? Stun guns? Yeah, how many women carry those on them all the time? Unknown liquid? Oh, that is a great reason to shoot someone.
And more than 100 police officers suffered injuries, including cracked ribs, gouged eyes and shattered spinal disks?
And where is the video footage of all this? I would love for you to prove that spinal disks were shattered at J6 and not due to arthritis.
You must have missed the fact that there were FBI agents instigating a huge part of this (but it was always just Trump) and the police opening up gates and showing people around. Even now there are people in jail who were not violent and have not been charged with a crime. If you were involved in any part of J6, even being peaceful as Trump told protestors to be, there is a good chance you are in jail. That is Democratic party justice.
So while you Dems were off wasting taxpayer dollars on "violent" offenders, whatever the hell that means, and your buddy is bitching about not being able to watch porn, it may have slipped your mind that the trivial event of your beloved People's Republic of California is burning to a crisp.
Like I said, all you fools care about is banging broads abroad, and that those SS checks keep coming in and you believe Republicans are a threat to your government checks. You are completely out of touch with why Trump won.https://youtu.be/Iludfj6Pe7w?si=HvlukBjpRvvY55aJ
https://youtu.be/DXnHIJkZZAs?si=yRkxhqnDEfw-aXIR
Now, please provide the links for these Trumpster Liars claiming there is any reason to prosecute Cassidy Huthinson.
Seriously, this pathological, constant lying about everything big and small by Trump, you and your fellow MAGAs is destroying America.
Please, for the sake of America, stop doing it. Thank you.
Jan 20th 2025, the actual Adults will be back in the White House for the next 4 years.
Learn it, know it, live it.
Smoothie backwards, I knew I'd find you here. LOL.Haven't seen you around Bangkok lately.
You know, international travel is possible and more affordable now that Biden-Harris and the Dems have recovered America and the rest of the world from the historic catastrophe of Trump's Pandemic, Trump's Mass Murder of 1 Million plus Americans, Trump's Massive Jobs Destruction of Millions Upon Millions of Jobs, Trump's Global Supply-Chain Collapse, Trump's Worldwide Economic Disaster, Trump's Hyper-Inflation, Trump's Business and School Closures, Trump's Crippling of International Travel and Mongering.
Jan 20th 2025, the actual Adults will be back in the White House for the next 4 years.
Learn it, know it, live it.
Smoothie backwards, I knew I'd find you here. LOL.I wish he won t live for 4 more years and same for his twin who hold his balls in his hand, Putin. Canada and Greenland have to resist to him, like Ukraine which resist since 3 years. When good point, Biden try to forbid full of bullshits tok tok making no brained even more stupid, let s see if orange will accept to lose his 15 millions no brained followers. I m sad for US women rights to choose about pregnancy, when women can choose in modern countries.
Trump will soon be the first Pro Crypto President in the history of the United States of America!
MarquisdeSade1
01-19-25, 00:44
Haven't seen you around Bangkok lately.
You know, international travel is possible and more affordable now that Biden-Harris and the Dems have recovered America and the rest of the world from the historic catastrophe of Trump's Pandemic, Trump's Mass Murder of 1 Million plus Americans, Trump's Massive Jobs Destruction of Millions Upon Millions of Jobs, Trump's Global Supply-Chain Collapse, Trump's Worldwide Economic Disaster, Trump's Hyper-Inflation, Trump's Business and School Closures, Trump's Crippling of International Travel and Mongering.The rest of the world doesn't like him for the same reasons you don't, he is great for America and bad for them.
He will make many of them to pay more for their defense like the free loaders in Seoul and in Brussels.
And that free $1,000,000,000,000 in trade isn't going to be so free anymore.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/14/business/china-trade-surplus-trump.html
China's $1 Trillion Trade Surplus: What to Know as Trump Takes Office.
Only a third of China's trade surplus was with the United States, and only a third of the USA Deficit was with China. That makes for tricky math for the president-elect.
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China's record trade surplus of almost $1 trillion last year has a nearly perfect mirror image on the other side of the world: an American trade deficit last year that is expected to clock in at around $1 trillion.
But only a third of China's surplus was with the United States. And only a third of the American trade deficit was with China.
That tricky math awaits President-elect Donald J. Trump, who will take office on Monday promising tariffs to reduce America's trade deficits. Raising taxes only on goods from China may do little to whittle down the overall USA Trade imbalance.
Countries around the world are also running big trade surpluses with the United States — nothing on the scale of China's, but they are adding up. Other countries need trade surpluses with the United States to pay for their own trade deficits with China.
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If the Trump administration raises tariffs only on China, the United States may find itself with bigger trade deficits with other countries as American companies import from them instead. But raising tariffs on imports from a wide range of countries could hit American allies.
Running a very large trade deficit in manufactured goods, as the United States has been doing for decades, has eliminated well-paid jobs and weakened the country's base for military production. But the big trade deficit also has meant that American consumers have enjoyed low prices. Many consumers may be hesitant to give that up by paying higher prices for imported cars, smartphones and other products if Mr. Trump imposes broad tariffs.
China faces a different problem: its people could enjoy a better lifestyle if its workers produced more for domestic markets and less for exports.
But helping China's consumers afford more of their own country's production would require shifting government spending away from the country's military and security apparatus and state-owned enterprises and toward the meager social safety net. It might also require steps like cutting China's 13 percent national sales tax, as well as other consumption taxes on imported luxuries, like big American cars. Beijing has been wary of such measures.
In the meantime, China's extraordinary volume of exports — up more than 12 percent last year — is swamping overall world trade.
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"That isn't sustainable," said Brad Setser, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. "Chinese exports cannot grow by 12 percent when global trade is only growing by 3 percent without cutting deeply into other countries' export sectors. ".
Across Europe, Africa, Latin America, Asia and Oceania, countries depend on buying cars, household appliances, consumer electronics and other manufactured goods from China. To obtain the dollars they need to buy these goods from China, these other countries sell everything from Mercedes cars to cheap T-shirts to the United States.
The European Union, for example, buys $2 worth of goods from China for each $1 of goods that it sells to China. That left the European Union with a $247 billion trade deficit with China last year, while the E. You. Ran an estimated $240 billion surplus with the United States.
For developing countries, the discrepancies are even more pronounced, except for a handful of exporters of oil and other natural resources that run trade surpluses with China. African nations as a group buy about $3 worth of goods from China for each $2 of goods they sell to China. They then mostly reverse that ratio in their trade with the United States.
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Most of China's imports are oil and other natural resources. But 98.9 percent of its exports last year were manufactured goods.
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A factory making high-end thread in Zaozhuang, China. Last year, 98.9 percent of China's exports were manufactured goods. Credit. Agence France-Presse — Getty Images.
Countries with few natural resources to sell end up with especially large imbalances with China. Kenya bought $35 worth of goods last year from China for each $1 of goods that it sold to China. Because Kenya's trade is roughly in balance with the United States, it has ended up borrowing heavily to raise the money to pay for imports from China and is now heavily indebted, like many developing countries.
The United States Department of Commerce will release final trade statistics for 2024 in early February. But trends in American trade are clear from statistics that cover all of last year except December.
China announced last month that it was eliminating all tariffs for imports from dozens of the world's poorest countries. But because China is strong in practically every manufacturing industry, eliminating tariffs on imports from the poorest countries may not make much difference in trade flows. Chinese customs officials spoke at a news briefing on Monday about steps like importing more fish and bananas.
If the Trump administration raises tariffs while China is cutting them, many other countries could respond angrily. China has been trying to move beyond its core group of closely aligned nations like Russia, Iran and North Korea to woo developing nations through its Belt and Road Initiative. China has also attempted to earn revenue, and good will, from European and East Asian nations through visa-free tourism programs.
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At the root of the difficult choices ahead for China and the United States lies a big difference: savings rates. Households in China are saving more, and spending little on imports, because they have lost much of their net worth after a housing market crash wiped out more wealth than the American housing market crash in 2008 and 2009. But Americans as a whole are saving very little, while effectively borrowing money through big trade deficits with the rest of the world.
Chinese officials and economists say they believe there is a better answer than tariffs: more Chinese investment in building factories in the United States.
But lawmakers in Congress and in state governments have been mostly hostile to that solution, even imposing new legal limits in the past couple years on Chinese investments in the United States.
Li You contributed research.
I am sure his numbers will turnaround like nobody has ever seen by 12 Noon on January 21 after the price of eggs, gas and rent plummets and all those cop-attacking and killing Trump "patriots" that everyone saw on video rioting and invading the Capitol in Trump's Violent War Against America On American Soil are pardoned and released.
Trump's Approval Ratings Are Underwater And He's Not Inaugurated Yet
https://crooksandliars.com/2025/01/approval-ratings-are-underwater-and-hesFunny, none of his delusional groupies has ever asked a simple question: Why their LAS didn't pardon the insurrectionists 4 years ago. What stopped him back then, LOL?
Trump invited only extremists politics for tomorrow? Real good image. Fortunately, he didn t succeed to destroy Capitol 4 years ago, Biden should give him a democraty and cleverness lesson tomorrow, or Orange and extremists should stay in cold tomorrow. Weather is cold to see Trump back, when he is a criminal. Make USA image so bad again.
Elvis 2008
01-19-25, 21:23
https://youtu.be/Iludfj6Pe7w?si=HvlukBjpRvvY55aJ
https://youtu.be/DXnHIJkZZAs?si=yRkxhqnDEfw-aXIRI did not ask to see videos of a bunch of lunatics saying dumb shit. I asked to see a video of officers being injured. I saw NONE of that. And before that, you dumb Dems lied about all these police being killed on January 6 where the only person who died was shot by police.
Now, please provide the links for these Trumpster Liars claiming there is any reason to prosecute Cassidy Huthinson.Are you fucking kidding me? https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/j6-committee-star-witness-cassidy-hutchinson-caught-new/.
1.) Cassidy Hutchinson said President Trump attempted to grab the steering wheel of "the beast" and wrestle control from the Secret Service on January 6th.
Truth: President Trump was not in "the beast" on January 6th.
Truth: Secret Service agents willing to testify against this ridiculous lie by young Cassidy. It never happened.
2.) Cassiday Hutchinson said President Trump grabbed the neck area of Secret Service agent Bobby Engel.
Truth: Bobby Engel willing to testify this was a lie.
3.) Cassidy Hutchinson said President Trump broke dishes and flipped tablecloths on January 6th.
Truth: President Trump refutes the nonsensical claim.
4.) Cassidy Hutchinson claimed to have written a handwritten note on January 6th.
Truth: Former White House lawyer Eric Herschmann wrote the note and testified to this fact under oath previously before the committee.
5.) Cassidy Hutchinson said her boss Mark Meadows called Roger Stone on January 5th to find out what would play out the next day on January 6th.
Truth: Roger Stone has never spoken to Mark Meadows outside of a conversation they held in a green room in 2019.
6.) Cassidy Hutchinson said Mark Meadows spoke with General Flynn on January 5th.
Truth: General Flynn has never had a phone conversation with Mark Meadows.
7.) Cassidy Hutchinson said General Flynn and Roger Stone participated by phone in a briefing in the war room in the Willard Hotel with Mark Meadows on January 5th.
Truth: Did not happen. Stone and Flynn have not spoken with Meadows on the phone, ever.
8.) Cassidy Hutchinson said Jeffrey Clark met with Rudy Giuliani and Trump campaign at White House.
Truth: This is false. They've never met or communicated.
Seriously, this pathological, constant lying about everything big and small by TrumpLet me recount the lies you have hold: multiple police officers died from J6 protestors. That is false. Backs being injured, eyes being gouged, ribs being cracked and you have ZERO evidence of any of that. Cassidy Hutchison is not a proven liar. Thanks to Democrats, Calirorinia is a socialist paradise.
you and your fellow MAGAs is destroying America.
Please, for the sake of America, stop doing it. Thank you.Trump and Joe Rogan literally outline how fires are going to destroy LA, and your sorry lying ass goes to J6 and MAGA and Cassidy Hutchison. Given that you live in Thailand, the only thing you care about Loony Tooms is that America keeps sending you checks. That is what your plea is about. You do not give a fuck about America literally burning down.
Locamotive
01-19-25, 22:52
Haven't seen you around Bangkok lately.
You know, international travel is possible and more affordable now that Biden-Harris and the Dems have recovered America and the rest of the world from the historic catastrophe of Trump's Pandemic, Trump's Mass Murder of 1 Million plus Americans, Trump's Massive Jobs Destruction of Millions Upon Millions of Jobs, Trump's Global Supply-Chain Collapse, Trump's Worldwide Economic Disaster, Trump's Hyper-Inflation, Trump's Business and School Closures, Trump's Crippling of International Travel and Mongering.Travel more affordable, are you smoking crack. From the east coast to Manila 2000 k range or more, before that idiot Biden 1500 or less. I'm not even going to comment on the rest of those remarks, you democrat's are delusional or smoking something.
Funny, none of his delusional groupies has ever asked a simple question: Why their LAS didn't pardon the insurrectionists 4 years ago. What stopped him back then, LOL?Another problem; I am a landlord. I have no intention of reducing the rent on my property simply because some Orange Clown made an empty promise to make that happen and the numbskull suckers who voted for him believed it.
I will only reduce the rent when Trump produces his usual Repub magic result of crashing the economy, wiping out millions upon millions of jobs and nobody can afford to pay the rent they could easily afford to pay when Dems like JFK / LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Obama and Biden were producing record high numbers of jobs, wages were increasing, stock markets were booming without multiple Bear Market declines and there were no "Once in 100 Years" disasters or Wars Against America On American Soil raging.
The rest of the world doesn't like him for the same reasons you don't, he is great for America and bad for them.Hey Marquise, just curious: What's your take on the restoration of the Chinese spying app?
And what's Trump's take, you'd say?
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01-19-25, 23:28
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/18/opinion/donald-trump-tech-musk-bannon.html
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Jan. 18,2025.
On Sunday evening, the night before Donald Trump's second inauguration, scores of "luminaries from across the New Right" are expected to gather for a dinner and gala called the Coronation Ball at the Watergate Hotel. The event is being hosted by the young right-wing publishing house Passage Press, known for publishing the "neo-reactionary" writer Curtis Yarvin one of the earliest of those luminaries, most famous for advocating a monarchy "run like a startup. ".
Today, this upstart coalition of thinkers may be best described simply as the intellectual wing of Trumpism. "Celebrate the inauguration of Donald J. Trump," the publishing house announced, "with the people and organizations that will shape the culture in his second term. ".
The ball will celebrate more than the re-coronation of a president. It seems intended to mark the ascent of a new counterelite with aspirations to supplant the existing establishment in everything from high politics to business and culture. But this is a loose alliance, colored by rivalries and complex divisions. It has brought together people who previously had little in common. Word had it that Marc Andreessen, the billionaire venture capitalist, would be at the ball. Steve Bannon, avowed enemy of the Silicon Valley billionaire class, was to be a keynote speaker.
Many guests were a bit nervy about outfits and expectations. They would also be navigating these fissures within Mr. Trump's coalition. Mr. Andreessen and Mr. Bannon stand on either side of the biggest of these divides and the one presenting the greatest challenge for Mr. Trump's governing project.
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It's a gap in worldviews that went overlooked in the heady days of the campaign. When Elon Musk endorsed Mr. Trump, putting a great deal of personal money and energy into the project of MAGA populism, he joined figures like the venture capitalist and podcaster David Sacks and the crypto exchange founder Tyler Winklevoss in what represents one of the most surprising and disruptive alliances in American political history. Tech emerged as an alternate power center to the Republican establishment. Silicon Valley money filled in for dollars lost from the traditional donor class. As the presidential transition took shape, tech figures stepped in to supply "elite human capital," as they put it, to staff the new administration. All the biggest tech companies made sure to offer a $1 million tribute to help fund the inauguration.
But the core of the aspiring Trumpian aristocracy are still reactionaries and nationalists aching to restore an American way of life thought to be lost after decades of "globalist" technocracy. They are often deeply skeptical of the idea that the innovations promised by tech companies represent progress, and they describe America as "not just a country, not just an economy, but a people with a common history," as Jeremy Carl, a deputy assistant secretary of the interior in the first Trump administration and a senior fellow at the Claremont Institute, told me. The tech figures who came to the movement in 2024 were often sympathetic to Trumpian nationalism. But they tended to be more interested in making money and launching a new era of "American dynamism. ".
Over Christmas, a bilious debate over the federal H-1 be visa program which brings in approximately 85,000 foreign workers, most of them Indian and most of them working in tech unfolded on Mr. Musk's X. It first erupted on Dec. 23, after Mr. Trump appointed an Indian-born venture capitalist named Sriram Krishnan to work with Mr. Sacks, who is set to be the administration's "crypto and A. I. Czar. ".
The MAGA influencer Laura Loomer quickly found a post in which Mr. Krishnan had called for removing caps on how many green cards can be awarded to applicants from individual countries, and for expanding "skilled immigration. " In a separate post on X, Ms. Loomer described it as an effort to welcome "third-world invaders from India," said "our country was built by white Europeans," and mocked Indians as defecating "in the water they bathe and drink from. " Mr. Sacks came out to defend Mr. Krishnan, and the fight spiraled over Christmas. By early January, it had started to look like an epochal battle within America's new ruling coalition.
Mr. Musk, whose companies benefited from the visa program, initially threatened to go to "war" on the subject, "the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend. " But he seemed shaken by the backlash from the MAGA base. Thousands upon thousands of erstwhile fans were rising up online to denounce him as a traitor or a globalist, more concerned with his profit margins than the fate of the nation.
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The trouble between the two camps will now be an unavoidable undertone at the inauguration. "Be there," Passage Press teased online for its inauguration event, "as MAGA meets the Tech Right. ".
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The debate has genuinely high stakes, heading in the first days of a wildly ambitious presidential administration. People like Mr. Bannon see the Tech Right almost as an existential enemy to the natural human order they wanted to restore. More moderate allies on the MAGA side just hope to keep things calm and friendly. If a true conflict emerges, Mr. Trump himself might well end up siding with the part of the coalition that offers vast supplies of cash and new friends socializing and scheming with him down at Mar-a-Lago.
The coalition is achingly close to achieving a long-held conservative dream of fashioning a high-low alliance powerful enough to supplant the liberal establishment and remake America. It is a project that might well collapse if one side or the other gets too much of what it wants, and ends up driving the other away.
So there is a new sense of gravity when you talk to people who want to hold the coalition together. In 2017, the rough equivalent of the Coronation Ball had been the gaudy DeploraBall. Now people would be wearing black tie. "Before we were the outsiders looking in, and now we're walking in the front door," the podcaster Jack Posobiec told Politico. "Because this is a regime change. ".
Earlier this month, Breitbart published an article that seemed calculated to make the dissonance between MAGA and the Tech Right into a real, and perhaps irreconcilable, split. It included translated snippets of an interview in the Italian daily Corriere della Sera in which Mr. Bannon who retains a huge amount of influence in both the incoming Trump administration and the wider MAGA sphere presents himself as an uncompromising chief of the "nationalist-populist" core of Trumpism.
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In the article, Mr. Bannon "declared war" on Mr. Musk, and by extension the whole set of tech barons who had gained such influence in the Trump sphere. "I will have Elon Musk run out of here by Inauguration Day," he said, calling him a "truly evil guy. " "Before, because he put money in, I was prepared to tolerate it; I'm not prepared to tolerate it anymore. ".
This challenge was widely seen as a new cycle in the H-1 be visa wars. But when I called him, Mr. Bannon articulated a very different and bigger reason for his challenge. I asked him if he saw the same deep-level philosophical tension I did. "A tension?" he asked. "I would almost argue it's an unbridgeable gap. ".
He named a roster of major figures on the tech right whom he saw as enemies: Mr. Andreessen, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, the neo-monarchist writer Mr. Yarvin, and Balaji Srinivasan, an investor and technologist who promotes the idea of "network states," new countries run on blockchain.
Mr. Bannon accused the tech barons of promoting "technofeudalism" and "transhumanism" bending human life into technologized and unnatural new forms. "This thing is all tied together," he said. "They have a very well thought through philosophy and a very well thought through set of ideas, and they're trying to implement that. And to me, everybody's afraid, everybody's scared because of their power.
"I'm a populist-nationalist, and I'm dug in on this," he said. "I know I can take them on. " he had already seen criticism. "Everybody's coming to me to say, 'You can't do this. Isn't it going to show a rift?' I said, 'What do you mean a rift? It's better to get it out now. '.
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To Mr. Bannon, this chasm went deeper than some small-bore spat about visas. "These people are technofeudalists, and it's a dangerous, dangerous thing," he said. "Here's what I'm glad about. It's going to be the populist-nationalist movement that'll take them on and break them. Because quite frankly, the established order is too gutless. The established order will go with anything that keeps their privileges. ".
This disconnect between MAGA and the Tech Right has deep philosophical roots. The political theorist Patrick Deneen, in his book "Regime Change," makes a point about the American right that has been plainly true for decades that for most of modern history it has not actually been a conservative movement. He calls Republicans of the Liz Cheney or George W. Bush mold "right-liberals" and argues that their "unwavering support for a free market, ideally unhindered by regulation and political limits, frequently resulted in economic disruptions and dizzying change that undermined the stability of the very social institutions that conservatives claimed to prize. ".
In a widely read 2022 essay titled "Why Conservatism Failed," a young Catholic University of America assistant professor named Jonathan Askonas sharpened this point. He described how the old Republican guard failed to account for the power of technology, as they claimed to be standing for the American flag and family.
"When you descend from lofty rhetoric about 'traditions' and 'values, he wrote, "a huge number of the actual practices and social institutions which built those virtues have disintegrated, not because of progressivism or socialism but because of the new environment and political economy generated by technology. ".
When I spoke to Mr. Carl, the former Trump administration official, he brought up an infamous interjection into the visa debate by Vivek Ramaswamy, who wrote a very long post on X in December describing an American culture that "has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long" and extolling "nerdiness. " "A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the Math Olympiad champ," he said, "or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers. ".
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The response was savage. Everything he posted in the days afterward continued to be flooded with vitriolic and often racist mockery, bringing back up the H-1 be debate, and coloring him an enemy of the movement.
Mr. Carl is the author of a book called "The Unprotected Class: How Anti-White Racism Is Tearing America Apart. " So it's pretty obvious which side he falls on in these debates. But he's intent on keeping the coalition together. "That post was silly," he told me. Even so, he didn't think Mr. Musk or Mr. Ramaswamy should be viewed as enemies.
"The thing about Elon," Mr. Carl said, "is that it's not really clear what he thinks. " Mr. Musk had defended the H-1 be program by arguing that America needed to attract the "top. 1 percent of engineering talent. " But he had also just waded into politics in Britain and Germany, where he'the promoted parties like the more-or-less openly ethnonationalist Alternative for Germany. "So that would seem to contradict what it looked like he was saying in the immigration debate here," Mr. Carl said. "It might be that he kind of picked this fight as a way of showing he has complex views. ".
On the flip side, some people have ended up finding a place in this new counterestablishment without even being necessarily conservative. "We're all really trying for the same basic American dream sorts of things," said Julie Fredrickson, a venture capitalist who backs crypto startups. A friend of Mr. Carl's, she is also a kindred spirit with prominent figures on the tech right.
Ms. Fredrickson describes herself as a liberal, but she has grown increasingly frustrated by a federal government that she believes acts almost like a "moat," preserving the power of huge established interests over both smaller businesses and technological innovation: big banks over crypto, giant, inefficient defense contractors over the new military-tech startups emerging in Southern California, oil and gas production over companies like a small-scale nuclear startup she'the just invested in.
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To her, the H-1 be issue was just another example of the basic problem that had driven the Tech Right toward Mr. Trump. Small companies, she said, rarely managed to navigate the visa system. "That's the area in which both MAGA and tech really agree," she said. The current system only helps "the multinational consulting corporations that are using it. ".
She was still leery of the anti-immigrant talk that had emerged in the debates. "We should want the 1 percent minds," she said. "And I mean that partially from a security state perspective, because I'm terrified by the prospect of China winning on that. I do actually think that 'yeah, I want to win' is a stronger message than 'I want to do it with only people that look like me. '" She was voicing the twinned sense of possibility and frustration animating the Tech Right today: "Can we just get back to winning?
When I spoke to Mr. Bannon, he articulated a criticism of the tech world that, perhaps surprisingly, is one that at least some right-wing tech figures share: "We haven't created anything on the technology side like the airplane or the internal combustion engine or the steam engine or anything big," he said. "It's all been algorithms. ".
Peter Thiel, who emerged in 2016 as the first prominent tech billionaire to back Mr. Trump, has described to me his view that technologies like social media or smartphones can offer an illusion of progress while offering dubious benefits, at best, to the world at large. After Mr. Trump's first win, he led a quickly abandoned effort to begin dismantling the regulatory state.
But Mr. Thiel ended up largely sitting out of the 2024 election, skeptical that a second Trump administration could carry out a serious project to remake American governance. Now Mr. Musk and Mr. Ramaswamy are leading a much higher-profile effort, through what they call the department of government efficiency.
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Mr. Musk and Mr. Ramaswamy are both slightly comic public figures, prone to dopamine-addled mucking-about in arguments on X. The outsize attention they draw can end up obscuring the complicated interplay between the imperatives of MAGA and the Tech Right.
"I think the Tech Right is going to win in the short-term," said Razib Khan, a geneticist and tech consultant who is friendly with many figures in both the MAGA and Tech Right spheres. As he saw it, the talent and money were mostly on the side of tech.
"The Tech Right is pro-American," he said. But it's pro-American in the sense that they see America as "an empire that takes over the world and goes interplanetary. " This was too rationalist of an approach for many on the MAGA side, which is shaped in large part by Christian faith and, at least for some, a belief that America should be a homeland for "heritage Americans" of Northern European extraction. They are "not excited about the American Empire," he said, or racing into space. They care more about the values of a "pre-1960's America, the values of a Western civilization. ".
Both sides see their path as the best approach to make America more dynamic the MAGA intellectuals through a hoped-for "refounding" that would restore a sense of national identity and purpose, and the Tech Right through drawing the best talent from a worldwide pool, and letting competition and capitalism rip.
Mr. Trump himself has kept something like a kingly remove from the early squabbles of the aristocracy emerging in his shadow. His vice president, JD Vance, might be able to act as an intermediary between these rival wings. A former venture capitalist married to the daughter of Indian immigrants, he nonetheless adopted the populist-nationalist style of politics.
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"he probably leans more towards the populists," Mr. Khan said, "but the dude cooks vegetarian food and hangs out with Indians all the time. " Mr. Vance has a foot, and many friends, in both worlds and a strong political interest in bridging the gap. "I feel like he's the one that can keep the energy going, and go between the two," Mr. Khan said. "And I don't think either side will totally win. ".
Mr. Vance once told me that he thought something "genuinely, seriously bad," was coming to America, unless conservatives could "assemble a coalition of populists and traditionalists that can actually overthrow the ruling class. " The MAGA sphere has now managed to draw some of the richest people on earth into this project, with figures like Mr. Andreessen and Mr. Musk casting themselves as unlikely allies in a populist overthrow of the American elite.
For now, some within Mr. Trump's orbit are happy to give them a chance. But others are already looking toward a struggle to decide who really holds the power as their revolution gets underway. "It's time to have the debate," Mr. Bannon told me. "You've got to hit them while you're strong. ".
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Sad day for our world, for senile orange Trump and his fool Musk. Only funny will be how Trump is so scared of China, but still allowing tok tok, when USA justice forbidded, but Trump doesn t respect justice, when he is known as a criminal.
Travel more affordable, are you smoking crack. From the east coast to Manila 2000 k range or more, before that idiot Biden 1500 or less. I'm not even going to comment on the rest of those remarks, you democrat's are delusional or smoking something.Sitting at home whining and crying over trannies and imaginary caravans of illegal aliens coming to rape and pillage was probably not the best investment of anyone's time during the historic Bidenomics years:
Americans are on track to set another record for holiday travel, topping the bar set in 2019.
Dec. 20, 2024
https://fortune.com/2024/12/20/americans-another-record-holiday-travel-topping-2019/
Sad day for our world, for senile orange Trump and his fool Musk. Only funny will be how Trump is so scared of China, but still allowing tok tok, when USA justice forbidded, but Trump doesn t respect justice, when he is known as a criminal.China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and India are very excited about Trump's plans to put Their Countries First in line for goodies and sugar plums.
America and the Western Alliance? Not so much:
As America braces for Trump 2.0, here's how the world views his return.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/20/how-the-rest-of-the-world-feels-as-trump-is-inaugurated.html?__source=androidappshare
"Trumps return is lamented by Americas long-term allies, but almost nobody else, the European Council on Foreign Relations think tank said as it published a global poll that found that people in China and Russia were more optimistic about Trumps return to power than long-standing allies in Europe and Asia.
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U.S. allies in Europe and South Korea are notably pessimistic about the incoming president suggesting a further weakening of the geopolitical West, it added.
I did not ask to see videos of a bunch of lunatics saying dumb shit. I asked to see a video of officers being injured. I saw NONE of that. And before that, you dumb Dems lied about all these police being killed on January 6 where the only person who died was shot by police.
Are you fucking kidding me? https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/j6-committee-star-witness-cassidy-hutchinson-caught-new/.
1.) Cassidy Hutchinson said President Trump attempted to grab the steering wheel of "the beast" and wrestle control from the Secret Service on January 6th.
Truth: President Trump was not in "the beast" on January 6th.
Truth: Secret Service agents willing to testify against this ridiculous lie by young Cassidy. It never happened.
2.) Cassiday Hutchinson said President Trump grabbed the neck area of Secret Service agent Bobby Engel.
Truth: Bobby Engel willing to testify this was a lie.
3.) Cassidy Hutchinson said President Trump broke dishes and flipped tablecloths on January 6th.
Truth: President Trump refutes the nonsensical claim.
4.) Cassidy Hutchinson claimed to have written a handwritten note on January 6th..I asked you to provide a link to the Trumpster liars who claim Hutchinson ought to be indicted and you certainly complied!
Thanks.
Got anybody who testified under Oath rather than blathering on Xitter and over drinks at The Gateway Pundit providing proof of actual indictable statements?
What we know about the 5 deaths in the pro-Trump mob that stormed the Capitol.
Jan. 8, 2021
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/capitol-mob-deaths/index.html
BTW, why do you MAGAs hate the police so much?
DOJ finds police officers suicide after Jan. 6 attack was a death in the line of duty.
Aug. 19, 2023
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/doj-finds-officers-suicide-jan-6-was-death-line-duty-rcna100648
Police union says 140 officers injured in Capitol riot.
January 27, 2021
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/police-union-says-140-officers-injured-in-capitol-riot/2021/01/27/60743642-60e2-11eb-9430-e7c77b5b0297_story.html
The physical toll on officers who defended the U.S. Capitol during the Jan. 6 attack by a pro-Trump mob is becoming clearer, with reports by police officials and federal prosecutors indicating that about 140 officers were injured, the head of the Capitol Police officers union said.
I have officers who were not issued helmets prior to the attack who have sustained head injuries, Gus Papathanasiou, union chairman, said in a statement Wednesday. One officer has two cracked ribs and two smashed spinal discs and another was stabbed with a metal fence stake, to name some of the injuries.
China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and India are very excited about Trump's plans to put Their Countries First in line for goodies and sugar plums.
America and the Western Alliance? Not so much:
As America braces for Trump 2.0, here's how the world views his return.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/20/how-the-rest-of-the-world-feels-as-trump-is-inaugurated.html?__source=androidappsharePutin hold Trump balls in his hand and China will play with him when he shows how he is weak not to forbid tok tok like decided USA justice, but Trump don t respect justice. So ridiculous, he did dare to swear on bible to respect constitution he fucked 4 years ago. Fortunately for him, USA are no brained and don t even remember. Devil fucking god.
MarquisdeSade1
01-20-25, 19:39
The worthless turd has been flushed.
MarquisdeSade1
01-20-25, 20:43
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/18/opinion/donald-trump-tech-musk-bannon.html
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By James Pogue.
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Jan. 18,2025.
On Sunday evening, the night before Donald Trump's second inauguration, scores of "luminaries from across the New Right" are expected to gather for a dinner and gala called the Coronation Ball at the Watergate Hotel. The event is being hosted by the young right-wing publishing house Passage Press, known for publishing the "neo-reactionary" writer Curtis Yarvin one of the earliest of those luminaries, most famous for advocating a monarchy "run like a startup. ".
Today, this upstart coalition of thinkers may be best described simply as the intellectual wing of Trumpism. "Celebrate the inauguration of Donald J. Trump," the publishing house announced, "with the people and organizations that will shape the culture in his second term. ".
The ball will celebrate more than the re-coronation of a president. It seems intended to mark the ascent of a new counterelite with aspirations to supplant the existing establishment in everything from high politics to business and culture. But this is a loose alliance, colored by rivalries and complex divisions. It has brought together people who previously had little in common. Word had it that Marc Andreessen, the billionaire venture capitalist, would be at the ball. Steve Bannon, avowed enemy of the Silicon Valley billionaire class, was to be a keynote speaker.
Many guests were a bit nervy about outfits and expectations. They would also be navigating these fissures within Mr. Trump's coalition. Mr. Andreessen and Mr. Bannon stand on either side of the biggest of these divides and the one presenting the greatest challenge for Mr. Trump's governing project.
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It's a gap in worldviews that went overlooked in the heady days of the campaign. When Elon Musk endorsed Mr. Trump, putting a great deal of personal money and energy into the project of MAGA populism, he joined figures like the venture capitalist and podcaster David Sacks and the crypto exchange founder Tyler Winklevoss in what represents one of the most surprising and disruptive alliances in American political history. Tech emerged as an alternate power center to the Republican establishment. Silicon Valley money filled in for dollars lost from the traditional donor class. As the presidential transition took shape, tech figures stepped in to supply "elite human capital," as they put it, to staff the new administration. All the biggest tech companies made sure to offer a $1 million tribute to help fund the inauguration.
But the core of the aspiring Trumpian aristocracy are still reactionaries and nationalists aching to restore an American way of life thought to be lost after decades of "globalist" technocracy. They are often deeply skeptical of the idea that the innovations promised by tech companies represent progress, and they describe America as "not just a country, not just an economy, but a people with a common history," as Jeremy Carl, a deputy assistant secretary of the interior in the first Trump administration and a senior fellow at the Claremont Institute, told me. The tech figures who came to the movement in 2024 were often sympathetic to Trumpian nationalism. But they tended to be more interested in making money and launching a new era of "American dynamism. ".
Over Christmas, a bilious debate over the federal H-1 be visa program which brings in approximately 85,000 foreign workers, most of them Indian and most of them working in tech unfolded on Mr. Musk's X. It first erupted on Dec. 23, after Mr. Trump appointed an Indian-born venture capitalist named Sriram Krishnan to work with Mr. Sacks, who is set to be the administration's "crypto and A. I. Czar. ".
The MAGA influencer Laura Loomer quickly found a post in which Mr. Krishnan had called for removing caps on how many green cards can be awarded to applicants from individual countries, and for expanding "skilled immigration. " In a separate post on X, Ms. Loomer described it as an effort to welcome "third-world invaders from India," said "our country was built by white Europeans," and mocked Indians as defecating "in the water they bathe and drink from. " Mr. Sacks came out to defend Mr. Krishnan, and the fight spiraled over Christmas. By early January, it had started to look like an epochal battle within America's new ruling coalition.
Mr. Musk, whose companies benefited from the visa program, initially threatened to go to "war" on the subject, "the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend. " But he seemed shaken by the backlash from the MAGA base. Thousands upon thousands of erstwhile fans were rising up online to denounce him as a traitor or a globalist, more concerned with his profit margins than the fate of the nation.
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The trouble between the two camps will now be an unavoidable undertone at the inauguration. "Be there," Passage Press teased online for its inauguration event, "as MAGA meets the Tech Right. ".
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The debate has genuinely high stakes, heading in the first days of a wildly ambitious presidential administration. People like Mr. Bannon see the Tech Right almost as an existential enemy to the natural human order they wanted to restore. More moderate allies on the MAGA side just hope to keep things calm and friendly. If a true conflict emerges, Mr. Trump himself might well end up siding with the part of the coalition that offers vast supplies of cash and new friends socializing and scheming with him down at Mar-a-Lago.
The coalition is achingly close to achieving a long-held conservative dream of fashioning a high-low alliance powerful enough to supplant the liberal establishment and remake America. It is a project that might well collapse if one side or the other gets too much of what it wants, and ends up driving the other away.
So there is a new sense of gravity when you talk to people who want to hold the coalition together. In 2017, the rough equivalent of the Coronation Ball had been the gaudy DeploraBall. Now people would be wearing black tie. "Before we were the outsiders looking in, and now we're walking in the front door," the podcaster Jack Posobiec told Politico. "Because this is a regime change. ".
Earlier this month, Breitbart published an article that seemed calculated to make the dissonance between MAGA and the Tech Right into a real, and perhaps irreconcilable, split. It included translated snippets of an interview in the Italian daily Corriere della Sera in which Mr. Bannon who retains a huge amount of influence in both the incoming Trump administration and the wider MAGA sphere presents himself as an uncompromising chief of the "nationalist-populist" core of Trumpism.
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In the article, Mr. Bannon "declared war" on Mr. Musk, and by extension the whole set of tech barons who had gained such influence in the Trump sphere. "I will have Elon Musk run out of here by Inauguration Day," he said, calling him a "truly evil guy. " "Before, because he put money in, I was prepared to tolerate it; I'm not prepared to tolerate it anymore. ".
This challenge was widely seen as a new cycle in the H-1 be visa wars. But when I called him, Mr. Bannon articulated a very different and bigger reason for his challenge. I asked him if he saw the same deep-level philosophical tension I did. "A tension?" he asked. "I would almost argue it's an unbridgeable gap. ".
He named a roster of major figures on the tech right whom he saw as enemies: Mr. Andreessen, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, the neo-monarchist writer Mr. Yarvin, and Balaji Srinivasan, an investor and technologist who promotes the idea of "network states," new countries run on blockchain.
Mr. Bannon accused the tech barons of promoting "technofeudalism" and "transhumanism" bending human life into technologized and unnatural new forms. "This thing is all tied together," he said. "They have a very well thought through philosophy and a very well thought through set of ideas, and they're trying to implement that. And to me, everybody's afraid, everybody's scared because of their power.
"I'm a populist-nationalist, and I'm dug in on this," he said. "I know I can take them on. " he had already seen criticism. "Everybody's coming to me to say, 'You can't do this. Isn't it going to show a rift?' I said, 'What do you mean a rift? It's better to get it out now. '.
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To Mr. Bannon, this chasm went deeper than some small-bore spat about visas. "These people are technofeudalists, and it's a dangerous, dangerous thing," he said. "Here's what I'm glad about. It's going to be the populist-nationalist movement that'll take them on and break them. Because quite frankly, the established order is too gutless. The established order will go with anything that keeps their privileges. ".
This disconnect between MAGA and the Tech Right has deep philosophical roots. The political theorist Patrick Deneen, in his book "Regime Change," makes a point about the American right that has been plainly true for decades that for most of modern history it has not actually been a conservative movement. He calls Republicans of the Liz Cheney or George W. Bush mold "right-liberals" and argues that their "unwavering support for a free market, ideally unhindered by regulation and political limits, frequently resulted in economic disruptions and dizzying change that undermined the stability of the very social institutions that conservatives claimed to prize. ".
In a widely read 2022 essay titled "Why Conservatism Failed," a young Catholic University of America assistant professor named Jonathan Askonas sharpened this point. He described how the old Republican guard failed to account for the power of technology, as they claimed to be standing for the American flag and family.
"When you descend from lofty rhetoric about 'traditions' and 'values, he wrote, "a huge number of the actual practices and social institutions which built those virtues have disintegrated, not because of progressivism or socialism but because of the new environment and political economy generated by technology. ".
When I spoke to Mr. Carl, the former Trump administration official, he brought up an infamous interjection into the visa debate by Vivek Ramaswamy, who wrote a very long post on X in December describing an American culture that "has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long" and extolling "nerdiness. " "A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the Math Olympiad champ," he said, "or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers. ".
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The response was savage. Everything he posted in the days afterward continued to be flooded with vitriolic and often racist mockery, bringing back up the H-1 be debate, and coloring him an enemy of the movement.
Mr. Carl is the author of a book called "The Unprotected Class: How Anti-White Racism Is Tearing America Apart. " So it's pretty obvious which side he falls on in these debates. But he's intent on keeping the coalition together. "That post was silly," he told me. Even so, he didn't think Mr. Musk or Mr. Ramaswamy should be viewed as enemies.
"The thing about Elon," Mr. Carl said, "is that it's not really clear what he thinks. " Mr. Musk had defended the H-1 be program by arguing that America needed to attract the "top. 1 percent of engineering talent. " But he had also just waded into politics in Britain and Germany, where he'the promoted parties like the more-or-less openly ethnonationalist Alternative for Germany. "So that would seem to contradict what it looked like he was saying in the immigration debate here," Mr. Carl said. "It might be that he kind of picked this fight as a way of showing he has complex views. ".
On the flip side, some people have ended up finding a place in this new counterestablishment without even being necessarily conservative. "We're all really trying for the same basic American dream sorts of things," said Julie Fredrickson, a venture capitalist who backs crypto startups. A friend of Mr. Carl's, she is also a kindred spirit with prominent figures on the tech right.
Ms. Fredrickson describes herself as a liberal, but she has grown increasingly frustrated by a federal government that she believes acts almost like a "moat," preserving the power of huge established interests over both smaller businesses and technological innovation: big banks over crypto, giant, inefficient defense contractors over the new military-tech startups emerging in Southern California, oil and gas production over companies like a small-scale nuclear startup she'the just invested in.
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To her, the H-1 be issue was just another example of the basic problem that had driven the Tech Right toward Mr. Trump. Small companies, she said, rarely managed to navigate the visa system. "That's the area in which both MAGA and tech really agree," she said. The current system only helps "the multinational consulting corporations that are using it. ".
She was still leery of the anti-immigrant talk that had emerged in the debates. "We should want the 1 percent minds," she said. "And I mean that partially from a security state perspective, because I'm terrified by the prospect of China winning on that. I do actually think that 'yeah, I want to win' is a stronger message than 'I want to do it with only people that look like me. '" She was voicing the twinned sense of possibility and frustration animating the Tech Right today: "Can we just get back to winning?
When I spoke to Mr. Bannon, he articulated a criticism of the tech world that, perhaps surprisingly, is one that at least some right-wing tech figures share: "We haven't created anything on the technology side like the airplane or the internal combustion engine or the steam engine or anything big," he said. "It's all been algorithms. ".
Peter Thiel, who emerged in 2016 as the first prominent tech billionaire to back Mr. Trump, has described to me his view that technologies like social media or smartphones can offer an illusion of progress while offering dubious benefits, at best, to the world at large. After Mr. Trump's first win, he led a quickly abandoned effort to begin dismantling the regulatory state.
But Mr. Thiel ended up largely sitting out of the 2024 election, skeptical that a second Trump administration could carry out a serious project to remake American governance. Now Mr. Musk and Mr. Ramaswamy are leading a much higher-profile effort, through what they call the department of government efficiency.
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Mr. Musk and Mr. Ramaswamy are both slightly comic public figures, prone to dopamine-addled mucking-about in arguments on X. The outsize attention they draw can end up obscuring the complicated interplay between the imperatives of MAGA and the Tech Right.
"I think the Tech Right is going to win in the short-term," said Razib Khan, a geneticist and tech consultant who is friendly with many figures in both the MAGA and Tech Right spheres. As he saw it, the talent and money were mostly on the side of tech.
"The Tech Right is pro-American," he said. But it's pro-American in the sense that they see America as "an empire that takes over the world and goes interplanetary. " This was too rationalist of an approach for many on the MAGA side, which is shaped in large part by Christian faith and, at least for some, a belief that America should be a homeland for "heritage Americans" of Northern European extraction. They are "not excited about the American Empire," he said, or racing into space. They care more about the values of a "pre-1960's America, the values of a Western civilization. ".
Both sides see their path as the best approach to make America more dynamic the MAGA intellectuals through a hoped-for "refounding" that would restore a sense of national identity and purpose, and the Tech Right through drawing the best talent from a worldwide pool, and letting competition and capitalism rip.
Mr. Trump himself has kept something like a kingly remove from the early squabbles of the aristocracy emerging in his shadow. His vice president, JD Vance, might be able to act as an intermediary between these rival wings. A former venture capitalist married to the daughter of Indian immigrants, he nonetheless adopted the populist-nationalist style of politics.
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"he probably leans more towards the populists," Mr. Khan said, "but the dude cooks vegetarian food and hangs out with Indians all the time. " Mr. Vance has a foot, and many friends, in both worlds and a strong political interest in bridging the gap. "I feel like he's the one that can keep the energy going, and go between the two," Mr. Khan said. "And I don't think either side will totally win. ".
Mr. Vance once told me that he thought something "genuinely, seriously bad," was coming to America, unless conservatives could "assemble a coalition of populists and traditionalists that can actually overthrow the ruling class. " The MAGA sphere has now managed to draw some of the richest people on earth into this project, with figures like Mr. Andreessen and Mr. Musk casting themselves as unlikely allies in a populist overthrow of the American elite.
For now, some within Mr. Trump's orbit are happy to give them a chance. But others are already looking toward a struggle to decide who really holds the power as their revolution gets underway. "It's time to have the debate," Mr. Bannon told me. "You've got to hit them while you're strong. ".
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MarquisdeSade1
01-20-25, 20:50
Hey Marquise, just curious: What's your take on the restoration of the Chinese spying app?
And what's Trump's take, you'd say?I'm not an International Trade Attorney or National Security Expert but.
Its my understanding that the owner supported Trumps 2024 campaign, does that deserve a 90 day extension, maybe to find a buyer?, I think that's only fair.
But I'm guessing you hate the guy for doing so and can't wait to see it banned, if for no other reason, for him doing that.
If it was a very urgent situation I doubt it would get an extension.
Are you like those idiots that cancelled their LATimes or WAPO subscriptions LMFAO.
MarquisdeSade1
01-21-25, 00:41
https://www.rt.com/news/611306-biden-pardons-fauci-cheney-milley/
He is the biggest POS ever to step foot in the WH.
That's saying a lot considering he followed Bubba GW and Cheney and Barry Hussein.
Is there any reason someone should be so much as stopped and questioned much less arrested and indicted for attacking, maiming or killing police or anyone else over the next 4 years as long as the perp is wearing a red MAGA hat while doing it?
Law was held to be valid. Those who think that is the end of the matter need to spend more time reading the United States Constitution that they like to comment on. In oder to provide this education to the OP, laws can be changed. POTUS is charged with enforcing the law of the land. The Office of the Presidency can now goto the US Congress and ask that the law be modified or repealed. It is within the power of POTUS to do what he did by executive order. If a party has standing to object to the executive order they can bring the matter to the courts for a ruling.
I see that that the title of the thread is American Politics; NOT intelligent knowledgable discussion of American Politics ROTFLMAO!
Putin hold Trump balls in his hand and China will play with him when he shows how he is weak not to forbid tok tok like decided USA justice, but Trump don t respect justice. So ridiculous, he did dare to swear on bible to respect constitution he fucked 4 years ago. Fortunately for him, USA are no brained and don t even remember. Devil fucking god.
Shame on Trump who wants to pollute and fuck our planet, when many died in USA from hurricanes and fires. When he is as old as was Biden 4 years ago, he is very senile. Our world have to resist to this crazy and also Putin and chinese government. Our planet and world are very sick because of them.
When EU is stronger for economics than USA and with much higher quality products, EU except Orban. Hu who is nothing, have not to be afraid of Trump, when China is also stronger. And India is growing.
Elvis 2008
01-21-25, 18:19
https://www.rt.com/news/611306-biden-pardons-fauci-cheney-milley/
He is the biggest POS ever to step foot in the WH.
That's saying a lot considering he followed Bubba GW and Cheney and Barry Hussein.MDS, I do not know if you have seen the Mike Johnson interview but Speaker of the House Johnson tried to talk to Biden and was being put off. He ran into the unelected junta who was running the country and Biden. Well, eventually, Biden told everyone to leave, and he talked to Johnson, and Johnson has now admitted that Biden could not remember a damned thing including an executive order forbidding the export of LNG, and Johnson's state of Louisiana was suffering due to that ban.
And the reason Biden was not prosecuted on having top secret documents is that he was so mentally incompetent prosecutors felt like Biden could not be convicted. Well, if you are Biden's cabinet, and he is not competent to stand trial, why not invoke the 25th Amendment and take him out of office? Is that because this junta was really running things?
Matt Taibbi wrote an article about this and pointed out the unelected treasonous dickheads who were running the country. Looney Tooms is so demented that he is praising Biden as being a good man and all this when Biden was not mentally there for years.
Like with everything else with the dumb hypocritical Dems, Trump considers doing something like pardoning himself before leaving office and with good reason, and these dumb Dems actually do it. If J6 was an attempted coup, keeping Biden in office and pushing Kamala to be the nominee was the real coup.
I don't want this endless charade of prosecuting political opponents to continue, so I think it is time to leave the Bidens alone but we need to know why this junta gave General Miley, Fauci, and the J6 commissions were given pardons and if Biden and not his junta actually signed them. So I think it is worth investigating / prosecuting THESE parties and asking did you authorize these pardons and if so, why?
So that is what being a dumb Dem is today. We need to make sure that the Biden administration, the junta, is the target of our rage and not Biden and his family. We have already seen the dumb Dems have such contempt for the voting process, they do not care about who their nominee is. They do not care if the person elected is running the country. All they care about is that their checks keep rolling in.
Law was held to be valid. Those who think that is the end of the matter need to spend more time reading the United States Constitution that they like to comment on. In oder to provide this education to the OP, laws can be changed. POTUS is charged with enforcing the law of the land. The Office of the Presidency can now goto the US Congress and ask that the law be modified or repealed. It is within the power of POTUS to do what he did by executive order. If a party has standing to object to the executive order they can bring the matter to the courts for a ruling.
I see that that the title of the thread is American Politics; NOT intelligent knowledgable discussion of American Politics ROTFLMAO!On his first day, when we was totally unrespectful about Biden, but Trump already showed to the world how he is weak and already lost versus China, when not respecting justice decision to make tok tok forbidden. All other was just his usual bullshits.
MarquisdeSade1
01-21-25, 20:17
MDS, I do not know if you have seen the Mike Johnson interview but Speaker of the House Johnson tried to talk to Biden and was being put off. He ran into the unelected junta who was running the country and Biden. Well, eventually, Biden told everyone to leave, and he talked to Johnson, and Johnson has now admitted that Biden could not remember a damned thing including an executive order forbidding the export of LNG, and Johnson's state of Louisiana was suffering due to that ban.
And the reason Biden was not prosecuted on having top secret documents is that he was so mentally incompetent prosecutors felt like Biden could not be convicted. Well, if you are Biden's cabinet, and he is not competent to stand trial, why not invoke the 25th Amendment and take him out of office? Is that because this junta was really running things?
Matt Taibbi wrote an article about this and pointed out the unelected treasonous dickheads who were running the country. Looney Tooms is so demented that he is praising Biden as being a good man and all this when Biden was not mentally there for years.
Like with everything else with the dumb hypocritical Dems, Trump considers doing something like pardoning himself before leaving office and with good reason, and these dumb Dems actually do it. If J6 was an attempted coup, keeping Biden in office and pushing Kamala to be the nominee was the real coup.
I don't want this endless charade of prosecuting political opponents to continue, so I think it is time to leave the Bidens alone but we need to know why this junta gave General Miley, Fauci, and the J6 commissions were given pardons and if Biden and not his junta actually signed them. So I think it is worth investigating / prosecuting THESE parties and asking did you authorize these pardons and if so, why?
So that is what being a dumb Dem is today. We need to make sure that the Biden administration, the junta, is the target of our rage and not Biden and his family. We have already seen the dumb Dems have such contempt for the voting process, they do not care about who their nominee is. They do not care if the person elected is running the country. All they care about is that their checks keep rolling in.https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2025/01/16/alex-marlow-joe-biden-was-a-horrible-president-and-an-even-worse-human-being/
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/12/03/claim-hunter-made-art-with-his-own-feces-to-try-to-cover-debts/
Patrick Healy.
Jan. 20,2025, 5:27 pm ETJan. 20,2025.
Patrick HealyDeputy Opinion Editor.
Are the Democrats in Even More Trouble Than They Think?
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Melania Trump, President Trump, Vice President JD Vance and Usha Vance, seen from behind, waving goodbye to Joe and Jill Biden aboard the Marine One helicopter.
Credit. Doug Mills / The New York Times.
When Ronald Reagan was inaugurated on Jan. 20,1981, no one knew it was the start of 12 years of Republican rule — that Democrats would prove so out of step with the country, so mistrusted by voters, so unable to fix their left-wing brand that they would fail to win a national election for a dozen years.
The nation hasn't seen a 12-year drought like that since then. But as Donald Trump reached for some Reagan ideas on Monday — "the golden age of America" astride Reagan's "era of national renewal," their shared attacks on government, their inaugurations amid breakthroughs in hostage crises — I found myself thinking about whether the Democratic Party may be at the start of its own era, a wilderness era, when it comes to the presidency and perhaps even government.
This is not a prediction, and on Day 1 of Trump 2. 0, I'm watching for Democrats who speak effectively and persuasively to the national mood. The scope of Trump's victories doesn't compare with Reagan's landslide wins, of course, but that might cause some Democrats to underestimate the problems they face. Right now, the Democrats are leaderless, and there isn't a lot of evidence pointing to how that messenger will come forth.
Some smart Democrats I talk to are counting on the party moving to the political center over the next four years and nominating someone who can speak to the broad middle about the economy, immigration, artificial intelligence, climate and more. Democracies are good at self-corrections; politicians can learn from mistakes and feedback and pivot accordingly. There's a reason America has gone from Barack Obama to Trump to Joe Biden to Trump in the Oval Office in just over eight years.
But there was an expectation in the early 1980's, too, that Democrats would self-correct after Jimmy Carter's presidency. The presidential primary process — which brings out party loyalists — yielded a familiar figure, Walter Mondale, rather than a bold choice. The self-correction took time.
What proved most important in that era was how durably popular Reaganism would be on the right, to the political center and among some Democrats. I'm in no way betting on Trump, JD Vance or their allies being that popular. But as I wrote in November about the dozens of Times Opinion focus groups we've conducted, Democrats are in for a rude awakening on illegal immigration, and they have lost the trust of many Americans because of tone-deafness on the economy; a lack of solutions and progress on the cost of living, affordable housing and public safety; and the perception that party leaders and Biden covered up his decline and pulled a fast one on the American people by slotting in Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee. A self-correction that builds trust is a serious undertaking.
In the end, Americans may not want one political party in the White House for more than one or two terms at a time. And the 2024 election was close. But all of this is to say that the questions I close out the day with are: How long will the Democrats' wilderness years last? And who will lead them out of it? Maybe Fetterman or maybe not he might be a Jew?
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sen-john-fetterman-shorts-hoodie-sneakers-trump-inauguration/6114684/
I'm not an International Trade Attorney or National Security Expert but.
Its my understanding that the owner supported Trumps 2024 campaign, does that deserve a 90 day extension, maybe to find a buyer?, I think that's only fair.
But I'm guessing you hate the guy for doing so and can't wait to see it banned, if for no other reason, for him doing that.
If it was a very urgent situation I doubt it would get an extension.
Are you like those idiots that cancelled their LATimes or WAPO subscriptions LMFAO.Wow Marquise, you don't disappoint. Again!
I mean your answer brilliantly displays the twisted and deeply corrupt nature of Trump supporters, but admitting that Trump had been bought by a Chinese entrepreneur takes guts. Elvis and most other Trumpists would've wiggled and returned a verse after verse of nonsensical demagogic BS (which is why I never asked him). You, on the other hand -- my goodness!
Again, I wish the rest of Trumpists hadn't been so hypocritical. You believe what you believe, right? Why lie about it?
Look, I don't hate the guy (we're talking the TikTok guy, right? I totally understand why he did it. In fact I understand him much better than our own traitors Bezos and Zuckerberg. It's just, I don't know how to put it, but I mean, being an idiot, I don't believe that US Presidential Candidates should be so willing and allowed to get bought by foreign bidders. I even remember that receiving any kind of financial contributions is supposed to be illegal, or am I wrong about that?
Allow me to answer your question with the same clarity you answered mine. I didn't have a subscription to the aforementioned publications, but if I had I would've cancelled them immediately. Like you said, I'm one of those idiots who believes that sold-out media, along with their owners don't deserve my support. Now, my next project is weening myself off Amazon, which proves to be very difficult. On the other hand, I haven't used Facebook and Twitter in a long time -- that was easy.
Day 2:
Has the price of eggs and gas gone down?
I never got the memo from Trump demanding that I reduce the cost of rent for my tenants. So I won't.
Has he spoken the Magic Trump Words that put an end to wars in "24 hours" or "48 hours" but that he apparently forgot to utter for the entire 1,460 full days and nights of his previous term for the USA combat War in Afghanistan?
What's the delay all about? Is he waiting "two weeks" to get that first Infrastructure Week done with his Repub Majority House and Senate first?
No problem. At least we know his constant blather about imposing higher Trump Tariff Taxes on the American Consumer and chase out all the low-cost labor for essential services and product delivery has jacked up the cost of shipments, products and housing already. And even before Day One!
Mortgage rates aren't likely to fall any time soon - here's why.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/21/mortgage-rates-arent-likely-to-fall-any-time-soon-heres-why.html?__source=androidappshare
Rates on a 30-year fixed mortgage rose above 7% in the week ended Jan. 16, according to Freddie Mac data.
Mortgage rates were below 3% as recently as late 2021.
They are unlikely to fall below 6% until 2026, economists said. Thats partly due to investor worries tied to President Donald Trumps policy agenda, they said.
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Why have mortgage rates increased?
The first thing to know: Mortgage rates are tied more closely to the yield on 10-year U.S. Treasury bonds than to the Feds benchmark interest rate, said Baker, the founder of Claris Financial Advisors.
Those Treasury yields were about 4.6% as of Tuesday, up from about 3.6% in September.
Investors who buy and sell Treasury bonds influence those yields. They appear to have risen in recent months as investors have gotten worried about the inflationary impact of President Donald Trumps proposed policies, experts said.
America's Hitler, releases his MAGA dogs aka. "MAGA Brownshirts", to do his biding and reek havoc on NEVER TRUMPERS and working American's who dare NOT believe, Trump will lower the price of bacon and eggs.
So naturally, it goes without saying...for all you "MAGA Brownshirts", before doing unspeakable police bashing or flagpole maiming, remember don't leave home without your "get outta jail free" MAGA cap and t-shirt.
Elvis 2008
01-22-25, 15:19
America's Hitler, releases his MAGA dogs aka. "MAGA Brownshirts", to do his biding and reek havoc on NEVER TRUMPERS and working American's who dare NOT believe, Trump will lower the price of bacon and eggs.Yes, we now have an elected president running things not an unelected junta. Actually, the way the Democratic Junta was running things was more like how Hitler came to power.
So naturally, it goes without saying...for all you "MAGA Brownshirts", before doing unspeakable police bashing or flagpole maiming, remember don't leave home without your "get outta jail free" MAGA cap and t-shirt.Ah, yes, we have gone from MAGA killing people to gouging eyes out and shattering backs and cracking ribs to "flagpole maiming". Thing about flagpole maiming is that suggests that people grabbed whatever was available to them as I do not know anyone with whom a flagpole is a weapon of choice. So seeing as how you have now so brilliantly shown that this was a spur of the moment riot rather than an insurrection, Spidy, I can confidently say this "insurrection conspiracy" was a load of bullshit.
So among the people jailed was the leader of the proud boys who was not even at the J6 riot but your beloved Democratic douche prosecutors put him in jail for 22 years for seditious conspiracy, a law designed to prosecute Southern rebels from the time of the civil war. And this is the reason the Biden junta was handing out pardons like crazy. Because if Trump filed their lead and used bullshit laws like seditious conspiracy, he could prosecute and convict anyone whether they are guilty or not.
And by all means, let's continue the incessant lying about Trump. He said he was not going to pardon violent offenders. Once again, Spidy, the truth and you are at odds.
What is amazing is you do not give a fuck that we did not have a duly elected president running things the last four years. Gee, I wonder why that is. Is that because all you really care about is your checks keep coming in?
Trump must really, really be suffering from Crowd Size Anxiety these days:
Donald Trump's Inauguration TV Ratings Compared to Joe Biden's
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-inauguration-tv-ratings-compared-joe-biden-2018696
On Monday, 24.6 million viewers tuned in to watch Donald Trump being sworn into office, estimates from the data analytics company Nielsen showed, which was lower than the viewership Joe Biden's inauguration received four years earlier..Maybe Liar ChristoFacist Mike can fabricate another in his series of pathetic lies about everything to lie again about Joe Biden and create a distraction from his beloved Worst President of All Time's Worst Inauguration of All Time.
And we could be just minutes away from Trump finally biting the head off a live bat on television in order to lift his abysmal TV Ratings while also distracting from the reality that he hasn't done, passed or signed anything that would truly be good instead of bad for the American Working Men and Women or any of the numbskulls he conned into voting for him.
MarquisdeSade1
01-22-25, 18:51
Wow Marquise, you don't disappoint. Again!
I mean your answer brilliantly displays the twisted and deeply corrupt nature of Trump supporters, but admitting that Trump had been bought by a Chinese entrepreneur takes guts. Elvis and most other Trumpists would've wiggled and returned a verse after verse of nonsensical demagogic BS (which is why I never asked him). You, on the other hand -- my goodness!
Again, I wish the rest of Trumpists hadn't been so hypocritical. You believe what you believe, right? Why lie about it?
Look, I don't hate the guy (we're talking the TikTok guy, right? I totally understand why he did it. In fact I understand him much better than our own traitors Bezos and Zuckerberg. It's just, I don't know how to put it, but I mean, being an idiot, I don't believe that US Presidential Candidates should be so willing and allowed to get bought by foreign bidders. I even remember that receiving any kind of financial contributions is supposed to be illegal, or am I wrong about that?.I didn't have a subscription to the aforementioned publications, but if I had I would've cancelled them immediately. Like you said, I'm one of those idiots who believes that sold-out media, along with their owners don't deserve my support. Now, my next project is weening myself off Amazon, which proves to be very difficult. On the other hand, I haven't used Facebook and Twitter in a long time -- that was easy.
Are you saying you are weening off of Amazon LOL or selling your Tesla, don't you know all these scumbag parasites do what's best for them, all the time.
Zuck Musk Bozo Cook etc al.
Musk supported Scumbag Joe in 2020.
Sold out media? 99% of the media is corporate owned.
That's why I like Breitbart the owner is very far right.
Yet he supports Centrist MAGA policies.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/27/the-reclusive-hedge-fund-tycoon-behind-the-trump-presidency
How old are you? Aren't you a little too old to be so naive?
https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(16) 30193-0/ fulltext.
MarquisdeSade1
01-22-25, 18:57
America's Hitler, releases his MAGA dogs aka. "MAGA Brownshirts", to do his biding and reek havoc on NEVER TRUMPERS and working American's who dare NOT believe, Trump will lower the price of bacon and eggs.
So naturally, it goes without saying...for all you "MAGA Brownshirts", before doing unspeakable police bashing or flagpole maiming, remember don't leave home without your "get outta jail free" MAGA cap and t-shirt.https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/5098127-bidens-last-minute-family-pardons-are-indefensible/
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2025/01/16/alex-marlow-joe-biden-was-a-horrible-president-and-an-even-worse-human-being/
MarquisdeSade1
01-22-25, 19:41
Wow Marquise, you don't disappoint. Again!
I mean your answer brilliantly displays the twisted and deeply corrupt nature of Trump supporters, but admitting that Trump had been bought by a Chinese entrepreneur takes guts. Elvis and most other Trumpists would've wiggled and returned a verse after verse of nonsensical demagogic BS (which is why I never asked him). You, on the other hand -- my goodness!
Again, I wish the rest of Trumpists hadn't been so hypocritical. You believe what you believe, right? Why lie about it?
Look, I don't hate the guy (we're talking the TikTok guy, right? I totally understand why he did it. In fact I understand him much better than our own traitors Bezos and Zuckerberg. It's just, I don't know how to put it, but I mean, being an idiot, I don't believe that US Presidential Candidates should be so willing and allowed to get bought by foreign bidders. I even remember that receiving any kind of financial contributions is supposed to be illegal, or am I wrong about that?
Allow me to answer your question with the same clarity you answered mine. I didn't have a subscription to the aforementioned publications, but if I had I would've cancelled them immediately. Like you said, I'm one of those idiots who believes that sold-out media, along with their owners don't deserve my support. Now, my next project is weening myself off Amazon, which proves to be very difficult. On the other hand, I haven't used Facebook and Twitter in a long time -- that was easy.https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2025/01/22/world-economic-forum-davos-attendee-admits-trump-won-and-globalists-lost/
MarquisdeSade1
01-22-25, 19:43
America's Hitler, releases his MAGA dogs aka. "MAGA Brownshirts", to do his biding and reek havoc on NEVER TRUMPERS and working American's who dare NOT believe, Trump will lower the price of bacon and eggs.
So naturally, it goes without saying...for all you "MAGA Brownshirts", before doing unspeakable police bashing or flagpole maiming, remember don't leave home without your "get outta jail free" MAGA cap and t-shirt.https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/01/20/former-abortion-giant-planned-parenthood-president-cecile-richards-dies-after-battling-brain-cancer/
She butchered 4 million helpless little babies.
MarquisdeSade1
01-22-25, 19:48
Wow Marquise, you don't disappoint. Again!
I mean your answer brilliantly displays the twisted and deeply corrupt nature of Trump supporters, but admitting that Trump had been bought by a Chinese entrepreneur takes guts. Elvis and most other Trumpists would've wiggled and returned a verse after verse of nonsensical demagogic BS (which is why I never asked him). You, on the other hand -- my goodness!
Again, I wish the rest of Trumpists hadn't been so hypocritical. You believe what you believe, right? Why lie about it?
Look, I don't hate the guy (we're talking the TikTok guy, right? I totally understand why he did it. In fact I understand him much better than our own traitors Bezos and Zuckerberg. It's just, I don't know how to put it, but I mean, being an idiot, I don't believe that US Presidential Candidates should be so willing and allowed to get bought by foreign bidders. I even remember that receiving any kind of financial contributions is supposed to be illegal, or am I wrong about that?
Allow me to answer your question with the same clarity you answered mine. I didn't have a subscription to the aforementioned publications, but if I had I would've cancelled them immediately. Like you said, I'm one of those idiots who believes that sold-out media, along with their owners don't deserve my support. Now, my next project is weening myself off Amazon, which proves to be very difficult. On the other hand, I haven't used Facebook and Twitter in a long time -- that was easy.https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/17/opinion/marc-andreessen-trump-silicon-valley.html
LOL. Remember all those "Trump" buildings that Trump never designed, never built, never owned, never had anything to do with other than selling his name to put on a sign to simply rebrand something someone else did all the work to create?
And remember Trump doing the same thing with the terrific economic trajectories he inherited from Obama-Biden, falsely claiming his Knowing Nothing and Doing Nothing in that first year of his so-called presidency and coasting along with what he inherited while a year or so later his huge tax cuts for corporations helped them to buy back their own stocks and nothing else at a cost of $Trillions to the deficit had something to do with those first ok pre-Trump's Pandemic years? Yeah, that was simply Trump rebranding the Obama-Biden economy he inherited as "The Greatest Econony In History that I produced".
I mean, those 3 pre Trump's Pandemic years were ok except for when his failed China Trade War and Trump Tariffs drove our manufacturing and agriculture industries into Recessions so deep he had to issue emergency welfare checks just to keep them afloat, adding more to the deficit, and we had the first of Trump's two first-term Bear Market Declines in the broad USA Stock Market in 2018, of course. So, hardly "the Greatest" of any time in recent or long term history.
And remember how Trump simply rebranded the 10 years prior Obama Admin creation of the Rapid Vaccine Developement Program as the silly renamed "Operation Warp Speed" in order to take credit for getting the critical, millions of life-saving vaccines for his own Trump's Pandemic virus out as rapidly as possible even though he has pretty much disavowed any connection to those vaccines since his MAGAloons always boo him for mentioning it.
And be prepared for Trump to again and again and again take unearned and undeserved credit for every "Envy of the World" economic achievement, national security and foreign policy success created solely by the blood and sweat of Biden-Harris and the Dems going forward. That which he can't touch, turn to shit and kill as is his lifelong pattern, that is.
Yeah, that is Trump simply Knowing Nothing, Doing Nothing but rebranding the work, effort and creation of someone else.
So it should come as no surprise that even those big DOGE plans Trump and Der Fuhrer, I mean, President Musk have touted is, guess what, simply a rebranding of the efficiency monitoring and reviewing program created by the Obama Administration:
DOGE has officially arrived, but it looks pretty different from what was promised.
https://www.businessinsider.com/doge-different-musk-official-white-house-trump-2025-1
The executive order also didn't create a new department, but rather renamed another. DOGE will replace the Obama-era US Digital Service (USDS), a unit that primarily works on improving government websites and tech. The USDS's unit had grown to more than 200 people, while Musk's new team is reported to consist of 20 staff.I'm guessing the 180 American Working Men and Women he laid off did not cost the American taxpayers nearly as much as, say, subsidizing electric vehicle manufacturing.
Are you saying you are weening off of Amazon LOL or selling your Tesla, don't you know all these scumbag parasites do what's best for them, all the time. How old are you? Aren't you a little too old to be so naive?You might be right. I just don't remember people selling out so quickly before my own eyes. Trump to TikTok. Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos and the rest of them to Trump. Maybe because I am old, this lightning speed of all-consuming corruption is a bit overwhelming to my old and slow self.
But I'm glad to see that you and your brothers are OK with this intense upcoming oligarchization of our society. I don't get for the life of me what's in it for you, but at least you don't expect the man you worship to do anything for anyone but himself.
Unfortunately and very sadly, but not unpredictably, a modern-day "red scare" is back in federal government. And what is the definition of this? "A Red Scare is a form of moral panic provoked by fear of the rise, supposed or real, of left-wing ideologies in a society". And here's the proof: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/federal-workers-told-name-dei-colleagues-risk-adverse-consequences-rcna188871. Joe McCarthy would be some kind of proud!
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/01/20/former-abortion-giant-planned-parenthood-president-cecile-richards-dies-after-battling-brain-cancer/
She butchered 4 million helpless little babies.Stages of Fetal Development
https://www.msdmanuals.com/home/women-s-health-issues/normal-pregnancy/stages-of-fetal-development
You might want to review that to bone up on what is and isn't a "baby."
Good god. The Globalist panel at the WEF tried to come across as an easier roll-over for Trump than the White House Press Corp. And that is saying a lot.
I say they tried to come across that way because they knew that was the best approach to getting him to relax and reveal his true totally uninformed, incomperent, ignorant and unfit self. LOL.
He CLEARLY did not have the slightest clue how to respond to their questions, probably not even a clue what the TOPIC of the questions were, simply blathered on and on with his usual nonsensical "weave" into one incoherent, non responsive word salad after another.
Seriously. Those guys were obviously goofing on him, goading him along, humoring him, just to demonstrate to themselves and every other Global Industry Leader and World Leader what a ridiculous chump they will all be lucky to crush in any and every negotiation for the next four years.
Using mostly whole numbers for simplicity, here are some key date USA Stock Market closing numbers for the S&P 500 Index:
-Election Day 2016 = 2163.
-Inauguration Day 2017 = 2263.
-Election Day 2020 = 3369.
-Inauguration Day 2021 = 3852.
-Election Day 2024 = 5783.
-Inauguration Day 2025 = 5996.
Therefore, based on those closing date numbers we can calculate that:
Trump's 2016 post-election win relief rally gain was 9%.
Biden's 2020 post-election win relief rally gain was 14%.
Trump's 2024 post-election win relief rally gain was just under 4%. And to be more precise it was 3. 7%.
Trump's 2017 Inauguration Day-to-Last Day in Office gain was 70%, but a sizable percentage of that was Biden's 14% 2020 post-election win relief rally gain.
Biden's 2020 Inauguration Day-to-Last Day in Office gain was 55%, and that result was obviously unfairly restricted by that tepid-to-insignificant piddling 3. 7% 2024 Trump post-election win relief rally "gain. ".
Interestingly, if you calculate the entire possible Trump-influenced time period from his Election Day 2016 to his Last Day in Office in 2021 vs the entire possible Biden-influenced time period from his Election Day 2020 to his Last Day in Office in 2025, they both come in at 78%!
However, we should remember that Trump got there after inheriting a terrific set of positive economic trajectories from Obama-Biden and along the way shook out and likely bankrupted many stock market investors at the dreadful bottom of each of his TWO Bear Market Declines in the broad USA Stock Market during his 4 year term, one in 2018 and another even deeper one in 2020, along with a Recession and him Wiping Out Millions Upon Millions of Jobs.
Meanwhile, Biden got there after inheriting the usual horrific economic conditions handed to incoming Dems by outgoing Repubs over the past 100 years, averted even the slightest recession, presided over NO Bear Market Crashes in his 4 years in office and produced more jobs than all three previous Repub presidents combined, Trump included, and a sizable percentage of the fourth previous Repub so-called president.
Big difference.
As a Western European fed with quality standards, I don t buy chinese nor korean shit cars, nor chinese shit other products. I drive V8 Audi I powered with french E85 to save our planet, when batteries for Teslas and others make big pollution, Musk fucking our world. Just have to have a brain, when USA seem no brained, according to who they elected. I will ban USA products, under Trump and Musk who are bullshiting our world. I may buy a Dodge charger V8 , for the legend, but only after these 2 crazy. Our world have to resist to Trump, Musk and Putin, kind of 3 brothers.Surely you do realize, that it is the very legacy car manufacturers of the world, like Audi, Mercedes, Porsche, VW, Ford and Toyota, that are the very idiots paying Tesla (unfortunately for years now), by buying hundreds of millions in Telsa carbon credits to avoid even larger fines in the billions, by the EU for all those V8 powered ICE vehicles, you love to drive so much.
I mean talk about dumb business practices, handing over money to help your competitor's business! (...kkkk!)
Automakers to pool CO2 emissions with Tesla, to comply with EU 2025 rules., Jan 07, 2025
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/stellantis-toyota-ford-mazda-subaru-plan-pool-co2-emissions-with-tesla-2025-01-07/
With regards to the Korean and Chinese EVs being shit, you couldn't be more wrong.
Korean/Chinese EVs are in many instances, currently better than the European made EVs, if not just as good. Many models are winning awards and have been named Car/EV of the Year, in some cases. Chinese BYD (EV/Hybrid auto and bus manufacturer) just become the worlds top EV seller.
Ready for Trump's Pandemic Part 2?
Mass Murdering more than a million Americans, millions more around the World, crashing world-wide economies, Wiping Out Millions Upon Millions of Jobs, collapsing global supply-chains and triggering all of the hyper-inflation and opportunistic price-gouging, skyrocketing prices for food, GROCERIES, rent and gas that followed the first time around just wasn't satisfying enough for Trump and his MAGA Cult followers.
So now he is winding up to do whatever it takes to do it all over again, perhaps with an even more virulent disease this time:
Public health experts worry about implications of Trump withdrawing US from WHO: 'An enormous mistake'.
Jan. 22, 2025
https://abcnews.go.com/US/public-health-experts-implications-trump-withdrawing-us-who/story?id=117933153
Trump's executive order is an attempt to finish a process he began during the last months of his first term. The president temporarily slashed funding and signed an executive order in July 2020 removing the U.S. from the WHO but, because withdrawal requires a one-year notice, former President Joe Biden reversed the decision upon taking office in January 2021.This is what might happen if the US withdraws from the WHO.
Pulling out will harm the US, as well as global public health.
Jan. 23, 2025
https://www.technologyreview.com/2025/01/23/1110460/us-withdraws-from-the-who/
On January 20, his first day in office, US president Donald Trump signed an executive order to withdraw the US from the World Health Organization. Ooh, thats a big one," he said as he was handed the document.
The US is the biggest donor to the WHO, and the loss of this income is likely to have a significant impact on the organization, which develops international health guidelines, investigates disease outbreaks, and acts as an information-sharing hub for member states.
But the US will also lose out. Its a very tragic and sad event that could only hurt the United States in the long run, says William Moss, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore.
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WHO funds are spent on a range of global health projectsprograms to eradicate polio, rapidly respond to health emergencies, improve access to vaccines and medicines, develop pandemic prevention strategies, and more. The loss of US funding is likely to have a significant impact on at least some of these programs.A gentle reminder that MAGAs and their typically pro Repub confederates in Mainstream Media worked very hard to ignore Trump's incomparable and in many ways singular contribution to laying the groundwork for, creating and exacerbating Trump's Pandemic Part 1. The gigantic dots, really only 2-3 of them, were right there from the very beginning to show, illustrate, support and prove the reality of that conclusion. But their blind allegiance to Trump and the Cult just wouldn't allow them to see and accept it.
Well, now let's see how hard they work to ignore Trump's mission to drag the world through another round of it while the reports and substantiation of him doing it are revealed and warned against step by step, dot by dot, in real time and right before their eyes.
MarquisdeSade1
01-24-25, 03:02
Stages of Fetal Development
https://www.msdmanuals.com/home/women-s-health-issues/normal-pregnancy/stages-of-fetal-development
You might want to review that to bone up on what is and isn't a "baby."So please keep your pro baby butchering propaganda to yourself.
Trump's Pandemic Part 2, dot #2:
Health Agency Reports from CDC, FDA, and NIH Halted by Trump Officials.
Jan. 23, 2025
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/trump-officials-pause-federal-health-agency-reports
During President Trumps first term in office, one of his appointed officials tried to assume control of the MMWR journal, which published information about the COVID-19 pandemic that did not align with White House messaging.
Not a day goes by when CDC isnt tracking a potential threat to our health, Richard Besser, MD, president and CEO of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and former acting director of the CDC, said in a statement shared with CNN.
MarquisdeSade1
01-24-25, 06:09
You might be right. I just don't remember people selling out so quickly before my own eyes. Trump to TikTok. Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos and the rest of them to Trump. Maybe because I am old, this lightning speed of all-consuming corruption is a bit overwhelming to my old and slow self.
But I'm glad to see that you and your brothers are OK with this intense upcoming oligarchization of our society. I don't get for the life of me what's in it for you, but at least you don't expect the man you worship to do anything for anyone but himself.https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/21/opinion/trump-maga-hearts-minds.html
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The Right Is Winning the Battle for Hearts and Minds.
Jan. 21,2025.
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Mr. Edsall contributes a weekly column from Washington, the. See. , on politics, demographics and inequality.
The full-scale assault by the conservative movement on liberal domination of the nation's culture has begun to deliver key victories.
The right has gnashed its teeth for decades over the leftward tilt of academia, the literary world, the press, television and streaming video.
Thirteen years ago, Rod Dreher published "Yes, Liberals Do Control Culture" in The American Conservative: "The hegemony of cultural leftism in American popular culture, and the resulting epistemic closure among American culture producers, is a critical challenge to conservatives. ".
In a 2012 essay, "'Sexual Careers' in Late Roman America," Dreher added, "I am tempted to believe — more than tempted; in fact, I do believe — that there is very little to be saved in our decadent culture, only things to be suffered, and endured, and preserved through this present darkness for a more sane age to come. ".
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The world Dreher described has radically changed, if not flipped on its head, according to Daniel Drezner, a professor of international politics at Tufts. In a Jan. 2 essay, Drezner posed the question: "Has the Right Won the Culture War?
"Over the last five years, the cultural ground has shifted dramatically to the right," Drezner wrote. While this does not mean that "the right is now culturally ascendant," he added, "it does mean that neither progressive nor 'nonpartisan' elites possess the cultural cachet they did even a half-decade ago. ".
What has changed, Drezner wrote, "is the erosion of the left's cultural dominance. ".
Drezner argued that "if it turns out the right controls both the ascendant political and cultural institutions in the United States, that presages a very different next decade than what many were expecting even a year ago. ".
How did this shift occur?
First, an aggressive and opportunistic conservative movement recognized the crucial importance of new technologies in shaping politics and culture, in the dissemination of ideas and in providing credible, albeit partisan, analyses of the ills of society.
Most prominently, Elon Musk, an ally of President Trump, bought Twitter in 2022 and turned it into X, a major social media platform now tilted to the right. On a lesser scale, Trump created Truth Social, and right-wingers have founded such social media sites as Gab and Parler.
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Similarly, as Luke Winkie pointed out in an article in Slate in November, "How the Right Won Podcasting," conservatives dominate the list of the most popular podcasters. He wrote, "Scroll through Spotify's top podcasts chart these days, and at any given moment, at least half of the most popular shows are hosted by figures friendly to the MAGA cause. ".
"Tucker Carlson's show," Winkie wrote.
Is the fourth-most-listened-to show on the platform, while anti-woke entrepreneur Patrick Bet-David lingers a few rungs below him, and Candace Owens sits comfortably between them both. Further down you can find firebrands like Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro and Dan Bongino cranking out new shows every day. Similarly, Joe Rogan, with his eternally inscrutable, are. F. K. Jr. –adjacent brand of populism, continues to dominate the top spot.
Tellingly, Winkie continued, "members of the reliably liberal podcasting commentariat are few and far between on the charts alongside their opposition. ".
Trump's threats to use the government's regulatory apparatus to punish dissident corporations have, in turn, brought to heel major technology players that perform an important role in shaping what constitutes contemporary American culture. Google, Meta, Amazon and Apple's Tim Cook each contributed $1 million to Trump's inauguration celebration.
During a Dec. 16 news conference at Mar-a-Lago, Trump commented on the high-tech moguls now seeking him out: "One of the big differences between the first term — the first term, everybody was fighting me. In this term, everybody wants to be my friend. ".
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The tech see. E. O. S are not alone in seeking Trump's favor.
Paramount Global, which owns CBS, is reportedly exploring ways to settle a $10 billion lawsuit filed by Trump over the way CBS handled an interview with Kamala Harris, according to The Wall Street Journal.
In December, ABC News, which is owned by Disney, settled a defamation lawsuit brought by Trump as the network contributed $15 million to his future presidential foundation and museum, along with $1 million to cover legal fees.
Both cases reflect Trump's determination to force the media to constrain hostile coverage. The strategy appears to be working.
Anna Diakun, a lawyer at Columbia University's Knight First Amendment Institute, told The Guardian:
These suits will have a significant chilling effect on news outlets. Even the threat of legal action may lead some to self-censor, rather than risk retribution. This is no accident — it appears to be Trump's goal. The bottom line is that Trump's lawsuits against media organizations — and his threats to file more — are a danger to press freedom.
The Trump-Republican November sweep had an immediate effect on the partisan balance of power regarding cable news networks, which have long been crucial players in the dissemination of ideas, values and beliefs from the left as well as from the right.
Despite the closeness of the November election, the two more liberal cable channels, MSNBC and CNN, experienced a severe decline in viewership after Nov. 5, while Fox News ratings rose.
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I asked Anya Schiffrin, the director of the technology, media and communications program at Columbia University's School of International and Public Affairs, about the differences between conservative and liberal communication systems. Schiffrin wrote back by email:
It is remarkable how right-wing talking points now dominate discourse in many parts of the world. They've managed to galvanize voters by focusing on anxiety about crime, migration and inflation. Over the last couple of years, we've heard the story of migrant crime in Santiago, Stockholm, Melbourne, as well as New York.
Over decades, Schiffrin continued.
Republicans have done a superb job of messaging through the right-wing radio network as well as the tabloids and Fox television and now through social media. Many on the left have agonized about this and wondered whether they should create alternative media infrastructures.
However, part of why the Republicans are so successful is the message rather than the medium. Republicans keep their message extremely simple and focus on topics that have salience. Explaining the nuances of crime statistics and telling people not to worry about crime is not persuasive when people go daily to CVS and see all the toothpaste and aspirin are under lock and key or feel threatened on the street or subway.
An essential part of the conservative agenda, Schiffrin wrote, is what she calls "platform capture":
The tech titans want to avoid regulation and taxation, and many have a libertarian bent, so it's natural for them to collaborate with Donald Trump. The platforms and A. I. Companies are counting on the United States to stop global regulation. Indeed, when Zuckerberg said recently that he would dismantle fact-checking efforts he also mentioned the need to beat back European regulation. A Trump and Zuckerberg-Musk alliance makes sense for all of them right now.
While a major element of the conservative drive to set the cultural agenda is to control the medium — the websites, podcasts, messaging systems — another goal is to discredit and push back against liberal initiatives and claims.
On this score, Christopher Rufo, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute and the author of "America's Cultural Revolution," has almost single-handedly forced liberals to retreat on a host of issues.
Rufo can claim credit (or blame) for the corporate and academic retreat on critical race theory; diversity, equity and inclusion (better known as the. E. I.); and the environmental, social and governance (E. S. G.) movement in corporate investing.
Two days ago, Rufo boasted on X of the rising status of the right in the nation's culture:
For the past four years, the Left has tried to condemn us as fringe, radical, extreme, and worse. But the truth is that we are mainstream, reasonable, popular, and ascendant. We're no longer going to let Cluster be leftism ruin our institutions. If that's your thing, try therapy.
In a more subtle but no less significant development, two Wall Street Journal reporters, Aaron Zitner and Meridith McGraw, described in an article on Jan. 19 how "in sports, entertainment and marketing, displays of conservatism are crowding out progressive postures. ".
"Instead of taking a knee to call for social justice," Zitner and McGraw wrote.
And. F. L. Players are doing the "Trump dance" in the end zone at football games. Mainstream entertainers, among them the country singer Carrie Underwood and the rapper Snoop Dogg, agreed to perform at events celebrating Donald Trump's inauguration, something music stars largely shunned eight years ago.
A new generation of Trump-friendly comedians and wellness influencers is populating YouTube and other social media, while a snippet of audio featuring Barron and Melania Trump has become one of the hottest online memes, with celebrities such as Paris Hilton and brands, including Frontier Airlines, using it in their TikTok and Instagram posts.
"Every time I walk on campus, I see a few MAGA hats. That's definitely new," said Carson Carpenter, 19, a senior at Arizona State University. Conservatism, he said, 'has really become intertwined in our pop culture. . It's really showing that conservatism is cool now. ".
On a separate front, Zitner and McGraw wrote.
Businesses are rolling back diversity efforts that gained urgency after the murder of George Floyd by police in 2020 led to a focus on racial inequities. Universities are adapting to the Supreme Court's ban on considering race in admissions, and programs designed to help minority students are under legal attack, facing claims that they discriminate based on race. In some Republican-led states, officials feel newly empowered to press for Christian-theme curricula in the classroom.
Conservatives have long complained that free speech was censored on social media. This month Meta Platforms announced the end of fact-checking and restrictions on certain types of speech across Facebook and Instagram.
While the right has been and continues to be on the attack, the left has been on the defensive.
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Musa al Gharbi, a professor of sociology at Stony Brook and the author of "We Have Never Been Woke: The Cultural Contradictions of the New Elite," wrote by email in response to my inquiries:
The big story from 2010 on is not Republicans growing more effective at messaging but Democrats growing increasingly out of step with the median voter as they catered ever more around the preferences of knowledge economy professionals.
Knowledge economy professionals, according to al Gharbi, are those employed in higher education, the media, high tech, the law, health care, entertainment, advertising, human resources, information technology and other fields requiring be. A. s or advanced degrees.
"They tend to have systematically different political and moral preferences and priorities than most other Americans," al Gharbi said, a theme he expanded on in a Nov. 6 Substack post, "Contextualizing the 2024 Election: It's the (Knowledge) Economy, Stupid":
Rather than viewing the gender divide, the ethnic shifts, the education divide, etc. As separate phenomena, it's more insightful to understand them as facets of a more fundamental schism in American society. Namely: a divide between "symbolic capitalists" and those who feel unrepresented in our social order.
Two decades ago, al Gharbi wrote, the.
Sociologists Jeff Manza and Clem Brooks observed, "Professionals have moved from being the most Republican class in the 1950's to the second-most-Democratic class by the late 1980's and the most Democratic class in 1996. " The consolidation they noted at the turn of the century is even more pronounced today. And as these professionals have been consolidated into the Democratic Party, they've grown increasingly progressive, particularly on "cultural" issues (sexuality, race, gender, environmentalism) and especially relative to blue-collar workers.
Yascha Mounk, a political scientist at Johns Hopkins University and the author of "The Identity Trap: A Story of Ideas and Power in Our Time," has a different but related take. In an email, he wrote: "Each time Democrats lose, they blame the nature of modern communication. " he added:
Since Trump was re-elected last November, they have lamented that left-of-center donors haven't invested into creating progressives podcasts that could rival the influence of Joe Rogan (ignoring the fact that Rogan's podcast never had such donors).
These arguments miss the forest for the trees. The reason Republicans have been more successful in spreading their message isn't that they have bigger budgets or smarter staffers; it's that they have been more adept at telling an aspirational story about the nature of the country — one that, as it turns out, a lot of citizens from all kinds of demographic backgrounds found to be convincing.
The truth is that Democrats are now in the midst of a deep epistemological crisis. They look at the country through simplistic categories, for example by assuming that it can be split into two rival blocks of whites and people of color. They talk about it in a linguistic register that most Americans find deeply alienating. Most of all, they continue to express themselves with extreme care, lest they inadvertently end up saying the "wrong" thing.
Among the most damaging developments for the left include the failure of elite universities, bastions of liberalism, to deal with antisemitic protests during Israel's attacks on Gaza; the current exodus of reporters, editors and subscribers at The Washington Post, a mainstay of liberal journalism; the discrediting of academia's commitment to free speech as a result of the disclosure of their cancellation of controversial speakers; the relative absence of conservative professors in most fields; and the requirement that faculty members file annual mandatory diversity statements.
There are other factors at work. Matt Grossmann, a political scientist at Michigan State, replied by email to my inquiries, writing: "The main distinction is that liberals dominate traditional media and cultural industries but conservatives more successfully build alternative institutions that are self-consciously ideological and anti-establishment. ".
Within this distinction, Grossmann wrote, he and his colleagues have found "there is a bigger audience for self-consciously conservative than liberal media due to perceptions that mainstream media is liberal. ".
In the battle to win the attention of voters, Democrats face two hurdles because of their increased dependence on voters with college and advanced degrees.
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As Andrew Van Dam explained in his Nov. 15 data analytics column in The Washington Post, "Can Our Spending Habits Help Explain the Culture Wars? Reading newspapers, a key vehicle for the transmission of political and cultural information, has both declined and become politicized:
NORC's General Social Survey has been asking how often folks read newspapers since the mid-1970's, when about two-thirds of Americans did so daily. As of 2022, a majority of USA Adults (roughly 55 percent) never open a paper or perhaps even a news app or news website.
Over the past four-plus decades, Van Dam continued.
Democrats made up a narrow majority in the 1990's and early 2000's, but their lead has turned into a rout. Now, among people who read the paper multiple times a week (roughly 15 percent of adults), Democrats outnumber Republicans by more than two to one.
While both Democrats and Republicans have abandoned newspapers in growing numbers, Van Dam noted, the drop among Republicans accelerated much faster than it did for Democrats in 2016, the year Trump first ran for president.
Bottom line: Newspapers are a key source of information for Democrats but not Republicans.
Nate Silver, the polling expert, took a more apocalyptic view of the problems facing liberals struggling to maintain cultural influence.
In a December Substack essay, "The Expert Class Is Failing, and So Is Biden's Presidency," Silver argued that the emergence of the Democrats as "the party of the educated" has resulted in what he called "the Indigo Blob," which he described as.
The merger between formerly nonpartisan institutions like the media, academia and public health on the one hand — institutions that draw almost exclusively from the ranks of college graduates — and expressly partisan and political instruments of the Democratic Party and progressive advocacy groups on the other hand.
This evolved liberalism, in Silver's view, has undergone.
A double failure. Its institutions serve the public increasingly poorly — but it's also increasingly losing politically. If Trump's victory against a Harris campaign that literally ran out of ideas wasn't proof enough of that, people are also voting with their feet, fleeing blue states and cities. Corporations that embraced wokeness have now done a 180-degree turn.
The result, Silver wrote, is that the left "is losing the battle of ideas, the one thing that it's supposed to win. ".
The enemies of liberalism are having a cumulative effect.
Rising authoritarianism, economic inequality, political polarization and challenges to democratic norms echo certain historical patterns, inviting comparisons to the rise during the Great Depression of Huey Long in Louisiana, to give an American example, and of fascism in Europe.
Contemporary political jousting between left and right includes ethnic and racial scapegoating, but there are also key differences: the presence of robust global institutions, no matter how much Trump hates them or wants to withdraw from them, widespread access to information and hard lessons learned from bitter experience.
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Trump's corporate allies are now lodged throughout the American business community. History has shown that turning points like the one we face can be very dangerous. Once leaders with autocratic aspirations, like Trump, as well as his enabler and sidekick Musk, have risen to power, an inflamed, ascendant right follows them, wherever they go.
Where, the question then becomes, might this end?
LOL. Remember all those "Trump" buildings that Trump never designed, never built, never owned, never had anything to do with other than selling his name to put on a sign to simply rebrand something someone else did all the work to create?Trump doesn't own anything. He's a parasite and always has been. His "executive orders" look like a flurry of activities, but all of them are cheap ideological shots to emotionally satisfy his poor, narrow-minded, uneducated supporters to evoke intense and vehement sensation of "owning the dems. "
Kill, baby, kill, that's what this "president" is all about.
So please keep your pro baby butchering propaganda to yourself.And thank you for rendering your legal / moral opinion The Reverend Dr. Justice MarquisdeSade LMFAO!
Then:
Trump says he can end the Russia-Ukraine war in one day. Russia's UN ambassador says he cant.
July 2, 2024
https://apnews.com/article/trump-russia-ukraine-war-un-election-a78ecb843af452b8dda1d52d137ca893
NOW:
Trump said he'd quickly end Russia's war on Ukraine. But it's proving tough.
Jan. 23, 2025
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2025/01/23/trump-sanctions-russia-end-ukraine-war/77557215007/
No. Really. Nobody knew ending Putin's War was hard.
Really.
Nobody.
Swear to god.
Nobody knew it.
Really.
A baby's life begins the moment it is conceived
So please keep your pro baby butchering propaganda to yourself.Mississippi politician files Contraception Begins at Erection Act
https://www.wlbt.com/2025/01/22/mississippi-politician-files-contraception-begins-erection-act/
JACKSON, Miss. (WLBT) - A state senator in Mississippi has filed a bill entitled the Contraception Begins at Erection Act.
As written by Sen. Bradford Blackmon, the bill would make it unlawful for a person to discharge genetic material without the intent to fertilize an embryo.
There are also fines involved, the third strike resulting in the loss of $10,000 from the perpetrator.
In a statement to WLBT News, Blackmon wrote, All across the country, especially here in Mississippi, the vast majority of bills relating to contraception and/or abortion focus on the womans role when men are fifty percent of the equation.
This bill highlights that fact and brings the mans role into the conversation. People can get up in arms and call it absurd but I cant say that bothers me."In fact, if you really cared about babies you would agree that a baby begin breathing life with the first horny thought in the mind of either the man or the woman and anything you do to inhibit or thwart the inevitable from that moment forward is butchering a baby. Or maybe twins. Or maybe triplets. Or maybe quads.
Please be consistent in your MAGA principles.
MarquisdeSade1
01-24-25, 18:24
Trump doesn't own anything. He's a parasite and always has been. His "executive orders" look like a flurry of activities, but all of them are cheap ideological shots to emotionally satisfy his poor, narrow-minded, uneducated supporters to evoke intense and vehement sensation of "owning the dems. "
Kill, baby, kill, that's what this "president" is all about.https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/23/opinion/trump-mckinley-populism.html
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After a four-year hiatus, we are once again compelled to go spelunking into the deeper caverns of Donald Trump's brain. We climb under his ego, which interestingly makes up 87 percent of his neural tissue; we burrow beneath the nucleus accumbens, the region of the brain responsible for cheating at golf; and then, deep down at the core of the limbic system, we find something strange — my 11th grade history textbook.
Over the past few months, and especially in his second Inaugural Address, Trump has gone all 19th century on us. He seems to find in this period everything he likes: tariffs, Manifest Destiny, seizing land from weaker nations, mercantilism, railroads, manufacturing and populism. Many presidents mention George Washington or Abraham Lincoln in their inaugurals. Who was the immortal Trump cited? William McKinley.
You can tell what kind of conservative a person is by discovering what year he wants to go back to. For Trump, it seems to be sometime between 1830 and 1899. "The spirit of the frontier is written into our hearts," he declared in his address.
It's easy to see the appeal. We were a boisterous, arriviste nation back then, bursting with energy, bombast and new money. In 1840, there were 3,000 miles of railroad track in America. By 1900, there were roughly 259,000 miles of track. Americans were known for being materialistic, mechanical and voracious for growth. In his book "The American Mind," the historian Henry Steele Commager wrote of our 19th-century forebears: "Whatever promised to increase wealth was automatically regarded as good, and the American was tolerant, therefore, of speculation, advertising, deforestation and the exploitation of natural resources. " So Trumpian.
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It was a time when the national character was being forged not among the establishment circles in Boston, Philadelphia and Virginia but out on the frontier, by the wild ones, the uncouth ones. It was the rugged experience of westward expansion, the historian Frederick Jackson Turner declared in 1893, that had given America its vitality, its egalitarianism, its disinterest in high culture and polite manners. The West was settled by a rising tide of hucksterism — the spirit of the circus master P. T. Barnum more than that of the aristocratic novelist Henry James.
It was a golden age of braggadocio, of Paul Bunyan-style tall tales. It was also an age when to be American was to be wreathed in glory. Many Americans believed that God had assigned a sacred errand to his new chosen people, to complete history and to bring a new heaven down to earth. (Kind of like the way God saved Trump in that Pennsylvania field so that he could complete the sacred mission of deporting more immigrants.).
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Herman Melville captured, without endorsing, the nationalist fervor in his novel "White Jacket": "We Americans are the peculiar, chosen people — the Israel of our time. God has predestinated, mankind expects, great things from our race; and great things we feel in our souls. " Walt Whitman joined the chorus: "Have the elder races halted? / Do they droop and end their lesson, wearied over there beyond the seas? / We take up the task eternal. " There's no confidence like adolescent confidence, for a person or a country.
I can see why this image of a wild, raw, aspiring America appeals to Trump. It is sometimes said that Trump appeals to those left behind, the losers of the information age. And this is a nationalism filled with aspiration, daring, hope and future-mindedness. (It helps if, like Trump, you whitewash a few minor details about 19th-century America from your portrait — like, you know, slavery and Reconstruction.).
Maybe the century's key appeal for Trump is that in those days America was firmly anti-establishment. Across the Atlantic were the old states — Europe. Periodically, Europeans like Fanny Trollope (herself a novelist and the mother of a rather more famous one) would visit America and turn up their noses at the vulgar money-loving people they found here. The English writer Morris Birkbeck summarized his view of the American spirit this way: "Gain! Gain! Gain!" Americans were proud to defy the snobs with their refined manners, class-ridden societies and inherited luxuries.
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You can draw a straight line from this (semi-mythical) image of America to the movement Trump leads today. He too leads a band of arrivistes, establishment-haters, money-seekers and unreconstructed nationalists. Many Democrats accuse Trump of ushering in an oligarchy, but new-money moguls like Elon Musk have often sided with the populists against the bien pensants. This is not oligarchy; this is what populism looks like.
Trump is drawing on themes that have been deep in the American psyche at least since Andrew Jackson became president in 1829. Populist movements, like most movements that represent the dispossessed, tend to be led by men who radiate power, masculinity and wealth. They harness American's natural distaste for rules, regulations and bureaucratic moralists.
The quintessential thing Trump did this week was to announce an artificial intelligence development project of up to $500 billion while also revoking a Biden executive order for A. I. Safety. Even Musk says the whole project is mythical hype because some of the companies involved don't have the money. Meanwhile, weakening the safety control on the technology? What could go wrong?
Today's populist ire is directed not at the European establishments living across an ocean but at the American ones on the east and west coasts. Democrats are mistaken if they think they can rebuff Trump by howling the words "fascism" or "authoritarianism," or by clutching their pearls every time he does something vulgar or immoral. If they decide to continue the culture war between the snooty elitists and the masses, I think we know how that's going to turn out.
The problem with populism and the whole 19th-century governmental framework is that it didn't work. Between 1825 and 1901 we had 20 presidencies. We had a bunch of one-term presidents; voters kept throwing the incumbents out because they were not happy with the way government was performing. The last three decades of that century saw a string of brutalizing recessions and depressions that profoundly shook the country. The light-footprint government was unable to cope with the process of industrialization.
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Many populists were ill equipped to even understand what was happening. In his classic book "The Age of Reform," Richard Hofstadter writes, "Populist thought showed an unusually strong tendency to account for relatively impersonal events in highly personal terms. " In other words, they thought they could solve the disruptions of industrialization if only they could find the evil conspirators who were responsible for every ill. Their diagnoses were simple-minded, their rhetoric over the top; their proposals, Hofstadter noted, wandered "over the border between reality and impossibility. " Sound familiar?
Here's how America recovered: Populist indignation finally got professionalized. In the 20th century, members of the progressive movement took the problems the populists were rightly angry about and built the institutions that were required to address them effectively — like the Food and Drug Administration, the Federal Trade Commission and the Federal Reserve. Populists had trouble thinking institutionally; the progressives, who were well trained, morally upright, self-disciplined, disgusted by corruption, intellectually rigorous (and sometimes priggish and arrogant) did not have that problem.
There's a reason the 20th century happened. The United States had to build a stronger central government and a leadership class if it was going to take responsibility — responsibility for the people who were marginalized and oppressed in our own country and, as the century wore on, responsibility to establish a peaceful and secure world order. Americans have a perpetual problem with authority, but for a time — from say 1901 to 1965 — Americans built authority structures that voters trusted.
Now we live amid another crisis of authority. Our system has not managed to keep up with the savage inequalities produced by the information age — especially between the college educated and the less educated. Populists are again indignant and on the March. But, as before, they have no compelling theory of change.
The colorful menagerie of people who make up the proposed Trump cabinet all have one thing in common: They are self-identified disrupters. They aim to burn the systems down. Disruption is fine in the private sector. If Musk wants to start a car company and it flops, then all that's been lost is investor money and some jobs. But suppose you disrupt and dismantle the Defense Department or the judicial system or the schools? Where are citizens supposed to go?
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The history of the world since at least the French Revolution is that rapid disruption makes governments cataclysmically worse. Trump, the anti-institutionalist, is creating an electoral monarchy, a system in which all power is personalized and held in his hands. That's a recipe for distorted information flows, corruption, instability and administrative impotence. As we've seen over and over again down the centuries, there's a big difference between people who operate in the spirit of disruption and those who operate in the spirit of reform.
If I were running the Democratic Party (God help them), I would tell the American people that Donald Trump is right about a lot of things. He's accurately identified problems on issues like inflation, the border and the fallout from cultural condescension that members of the educated class have been too insular to anticipate.
MarquisdeSade1
01-24-25, 18:29
And thank you for rendering your legal / moral opinion The Reverend Dr. Justice MarquisdeSade LMFAO!Malum in se. Malum in se is a concept in criminal law referring to an inherently immoral act, regardless of whether the action is criminalized.
Abortion is the murder of a baby.
Tread lightly, Karma isn't so kind to baby butchers.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/01/20/former-abortion-giant-planned-parenthood-president-cecile-richards-dies-after-battling-brain-cancer/
Its a shame it took her so quickly she should of suffered much much longer!!
Brain cancer is the perfect death for this monster.
So please keep your pro baby butchering propaganda to yourself.In modern countries, women are free to decide, when men and Trump just know nothing about making a baby in belly. In middle age USA, women will have a baby after a rape, great life for both.
Surely you do realize, that it is the very legacy car manufacturers of the world, like Audi, Mercedes, Porsche, VW, Ford and Toyota, that are the very idiots paying Tesla (unfortunately for years now), by buying hundreds of millions in Telsa carbon credits to avoid even larger fines in the billions, by the EU for all those V8 powered ICE vehicles, you love to drive so much.
I mean talk about dumb business practices, handing over money to help your competitor's business! (...kkkk!)
Automakers to pool CO2 emissions with Tesla, to comply with EU 2025 rules., Jan 07, 2025
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/stellantis-toyota-ford-mazda-subaru-plan-pool-co2-emissions-with-tesla-2025-01-07/
With regards to the Korean and Chinese EVs being shit, you couldn't be more wrong.
Korean/Chinese EVs are in many instances, currently better than the European made EVs, if not just as good. Many models are winning awards and have been named Car/EV of the Year, in some cases. Chinese BYD (EV/Hybrid auto and bus manufacturer) just become the worlds top EV seller.Many in Europe feel shame now from jumping monkey Musk behavior. I think Tesla should fall in Europe. Do you compare Hyundai or Kia with Porsche or Audi? When I needed to improve my Audi V8 and engineerd powered with french gas from agriculture, getting more powerful and 0% pollution on technical control, to save our planet, when Tesla batteries and chineses make pollution. When he doesn t bullshit like always, but maybe he will find who killed JFK? Senile old Trump cry like a baby about USA 350 billions debt with Europe: Europe is bad with us, when for sure not buying shit USA foods to get sick and obese, when Coca and McDo make our children obese, nor USA cars which can t compete with European cars. Americans dream about Porsche, Audi, MB or BM, or french hands made Bugatti, or Ferrari or Maserati, when only very few Europeans dream about American cars. Rather than crying like a senile baby, he should work to improve USA products quality, when quality is not important in USA, but just money, so, don t ask others to buy your shit, when far below European standards for quality, and he has big work with Boeing.
MarquisdeSade1
01-24-25, 20:10
Trump doesn't own anything. He's a parasite and always has been. His "executive orders" look like a flurry of activities, but all of them are cheap ideological shots to emotionally satisfy his poor, narrow-minded, uneducated supporters to evoke intense and vehement sensation of "owning the dems. "
Kill, baby, kill, that's what this "president" is all about.Immoral radicals like Spidy LMFAO thanks Bro! Remember Roevember!!
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Imagine showing the scenes inside the Capitol at Monday's inauguration to a visitor from the distant, misty past of 2021. Imagine them watching as the leaders of the same American tech industry that just four years ago united to de-platform Donald Trump now crowded close around him, competing for his favor. Then think about how one might explain the larger change behind these scenes — the rapid movement from the era of "woke capital," from a seeming alignment of all major American institutions on the side of progressive ideology to a Trumpian restoration in which the right's cultural gains seem much larger than Trump's electoral majority.
Even as the lords of Silicon Valley came to kiss the presidential ring, my colleague David Marchese was interviewing Curtis Yarvin, an eccentric intellectual of the outsider (now insider?) right. Yarvin is best known as a critic of democracy and a champion of digital-age monarchy, but one of the ideas that originally won him readers is less prescriptive, more diagnostic: It's his analysis of what he called "the Cathedral," the interlocking elite opinion-shaping institutions of our society, which tend to move in concert (leftward, in his view, always leftward) despite lacking any form of centralized control.
In one sense this sounds like a banal analysis: Of course elite institutions tend to share some sort of consensus; of course cultural gatekeepers converge on similar ideas.
But there are different degrees of consensus and convergence, and Yarvin's argument seemed especially timely in the 2010's because the Cathedral he described seemed to become more and more intensively itself: More ideologically uniform across different institutions (universities, foundations, media, tech companies, corporate H. Are. Departments), more ambitious and radical in the ideas that it embraced, more lock step in the way those ideas were propagated and more inquisitorial ("Have you committed a disinformation, my child.? In the control it seemed prepared to exercise, through the social media companies especially, over American discourse and debate.
A lot of right-wing "post-liberal" thought, not just Yarvin's monarchical ideas, gained adherents in this environment. There was a sense that to recognize the existence of the Cathedral was to see through liberalism itself — to realize that liberal neutrality was essentially mythical, that supposedly liberal institutions were already functionally post-liberal, that politics was an imitation game and the right needed to learn from progressive power. And what should it learn? Simply this: That the point of entering into political conflict is always to pursue hegemony, to shape and rule rather than to merely coexist.
My own view, elaborated in an essay for First Things in 2022 on the revival of Catholic integralism, was that part of this insight was correct. There is no such thing as a purely liberal society, and general liberal norms and procedures are usually filled in by a specific cultural consensus and guided by an establishment with a shared perspective on the world. Man does not live by proceduralism alone, and even within liberal parameters, any worldview that takes its own truth claims seriously — be it secular progressivism or conservative Christianity or accelerationist transhumanism — will naturally seek some form of culture-shaping power and, when the opportunity is there, hegemony as well.
But I also argued, drawing on the arguments of the Catholic theorist Jacques Maritain, that in a society like contemporary America — pluralist, individualist, decentralized and vast — any hegemony can only work if it stays soft: nudging rather than imposing, respecting a range of individual liberties and communal differences, allowing plenty of room for dissent and critique. The historical success of America's Protestant establishment (before its post-1960's self-extinguishment) depended on this kind of light touch and deference to pluralism. And whenever the old Protestant hegemony attempted to impose too much — in its anti-Catholic spasms or its attempts to replace with gentleness of blue laws with the strictures of Prohibition — its efforts mostly came to grief. A Cathedral can rule America only if it doesn't try to constantly run an inquisition.
This reality, I argued, had implications for the potential impact of the Great Awokening on the present-day Cathedral's power and unity. Throughout the Trump era, progressive cultural hegemony was seemingly transitioning from a "soft" to a "hard" phase — about that much the Cathedral's critics were correct. But it was possible, I speculated, that this transition would be inherently self-limiting, trading in the successful soft hegemony enjoyed by Obama-era liberalism for a more brittle form of power:
It's still an open question whether that intolerance will lead inexorably to greater power over the entire culture, or whether in a *society as diverse and complex as ours the zeal of a hegemon has a self-limiting effect—generating stronger backlash when it uses power too overtly, creating new centers of resistance when it *imposes theological conformity too explicitly, and imposing a *Brezhnevian (or late-19th-century *Bostonian) freeze that looks solid but can't survive the heat of crisis.
Whereas the more relaxed gnostic hegemony, a more Maritainian form — think early Obama-era Hope and Change, not peak Great *Awokening—might have more staying power, disarming *opposition and pre-empting backlash, balancing its power and its society's pluralism sustainably rather than risking a crackup for the sake of inquisitorial control.
In hindsight I didn't push this argument hard enough, because just three years later exactly that kind of crackup is obviously upon us.
Now of course it may be temporary. The vibes have shifted against liberals and progressives in the past without fundamentally undermining their cultural advantage. No existing version of conservatism seems ready for its own form of hegemony, populism is a blunt-force weapon that lacks the requisite seductive power, and the A. I. Models that may catechize the future still lean distinctly left. And no doubt Yarvin has a 10,000-word Substack essay teed up explaining why the Cathedral's apparent crisis is merely a temporary setback before the inevitable next leftward ratchet (that only a Caesar can prevent).
But I do think that in the suddenness of the shift, in the tergiversation of the tech barons and the rise of the Gen Z Trumpists, you can see a case study in how a seemingly hegemonic worldview can pass very rapidly from consolidating power to squandering it, from riding roughshod over its enemies to galloping off a cliff.
A light touch, a gentle hegemony, power exercised subtly and indirectly — these are the hallmarks of a consensus built to last. And historians of cultural power may regard the past decade, from Barack Obama's second term to Trump's return to power, as a remarkable example of how to take an ecclesiastical edifice with every seeming cultural advantage, turn it over to the inquisitors and wake up to suddenly find yourself with nothing left except bare ruined choirs.
MarquisdeSade1
01-24-25, 20:26
Good god. The Globalist panel at the WEF tried to come across as an easier roll-over for Trump than the White House Press Corp. And that is saying a lot.
I say they tried to come across that way because they knew that was the best approach to getting him to relax and reveal his true totally uninformed, incomperent, ignorant and unfit self. LOL.
He CLEARLY did not have the slightest clue how to respond to their questions, probably not even a clue what the TOPIC of the questions were, simply blathered on and on with his usual nonsensical "weave" into one incoherent, non responsive word salad after another.
Seriously. Those guys were obviously goofing on him, goading him along, humoring him, just to demonstrate to themselves and every other Global Industry Leader and World Leader what a ridiculous chump they will all be lucky to crush in any and every negotiation for the next four years.When you write nonsensical keyboard diarrhea like this?
You're angry because you hate our country (not yours) and you know the truth is the exact opposite of everything you wrote.
WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP.
ALLAHU AKBAR.
I'm not a spelling Nazi or grammar Nazi but when you call Our Lord and Savior incomperent that's just a cherry on TOP (ROTFLMMFAO).
Of your childish asinine ramblings!!
Everything you wrote applied to Bubba GW Barry Hussein and Scumbag Joe and you know it!!
They all loved Barry he was such a low IQ beta ***** he allowed them to ass fuck the USA for 8 solid yrs like his husband Michael from the South side ghetto of Chicago does to him daily.
On the one hand you have a point. Chinese EV manufacturers arre producing the most flawless automobiles every made. OTOH, you are ignoring what a complete pain in the ass EVs are and how terrible they really are for the enviorment, and consumers do not want them because they are a pain the ass and are goint to cost us in a massive upgrade of the electrical grid. Natural gas seems a helluva lot cleaner than solar and wind and like most of the green revolution, the "clean" energy products originate from China which might have the worst air quality on the planet.
I would not argue that this is about state's rights but more like the executive branch shoving EVs down our throats and much like Covid was, ... Really, how are EVs "a pain in the ass" and "terrible" for the environment? Dude, Elvis 2008, you just sound very misinformed and confused, with crap statements like that! I don't see world gov'ts putting billion dollar fines and emission regulations on EV manufacturers. "VW Stares Down The Barrel Of $1.6 Billion EU Fine. ". If Volkswagen can't meet the EU's emissions targets they could face some severe penalties... https://www.carscoops.com/2025/01/vw-stares-down-the-barrel-of-1-6-billion-eu-fine/
According to Tiny 12's Goldman Sachs article, there's been some $1.2 trillion in tax credits for EV purchases from "wealthy" Americans. Sounds like a lot of American's are enjoying their "pain in the ass" EVs?
Check this out: It took 68 years for the world to reach 1 terawatt of solar PV capacity. It took just two years to double it, Nov 11, 2024. Face it, by 2035, solar will supply and make up 40+% of the worlds energy source. https://reneweconomy.com.au/it-took-68-years-for-the-world-to-reach-1-terawatt-of-solar-pv-capacity-it-took-just-two-years-to-double-it/
That's a lot of FREE FUEL for your EVs, that your right-wing oil and gas slave masters and robber barons don't want you to have. When are you Rebub clowns, gonna wake up to that FACT!
Most ICE vehicle manufacturing will be down to about 15%, by 2035 and that Repub "old school think" and "drill baby drill" only mentality, will set America going backwards, while China dominates on the world stage in huge sales of clean renewable energy solutions, EVs and battery automotive/industrial and robotic excellence.
Fair enough. Yes, theoretically Chinese EV's should catch on here. They're great value for the money. But they won't. ...
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Then are the $7500 tax credits wealthy EV owners get. In fact a lot of us red state taxpayers don't appreciate the $1.2 trillion (according to Goldman Sachs) in renewable energy pork dished out in the Inflation Reduction Act, which we'll have to pay for.
Californians should be free to legislate any subsidies or restrictions like the above they want. But yeah, I agree, having them imposed or prevented by Washington D.C. for the states affected is kind of fascistic.
It's nice to kind of be on the same page with you for once!
So only wealthy EV owners are eligible to takes advantage of the tax credit? And are responsible for the $1.2T of pork (according to Goldman Sachs)? That sure is a lot of EV purchases, by just "wealthy" Americans? So why are right wing media outlets saying nobody is buying EVs and nobody wants them and EV sales are way down, pathetic and moribund?
BTW, what exactly is in that $1.2T you quoted, as I'm sure many of those fascist red states are benefiting from President Biden job and manufacturing growth for the Clean Energy incentives in the IRA. Surely your not saying it all just EV Tax Credits?
The Times Is Forced to Correct a Misleading Article Claiming Electric Vehicle Demand Is Falling When Its Actually Rising, 13th, Jan 2025 https://bylinetimes.com/2025/01/13/the-times-was-forced-to-correct-a-misleading-article-claiming-electric-vehicle-demand-is-falling-when-its-actually-rising/
Could it be just another fabrication, like yet another round lies from yet another Rupert Murdock News Crop, entity, as The Times, was just convicted in the UK for lying about EV car sales demand and force to make a retraction. Falsely claiming EV car sales have been going down, when numbers show the complete opposite is the case. No doubt backed by scared fossil fuel and legacy auto companies.
I guess that would be like all those "wealthy homeowners" that were given a similar tax credit for the Energy Efficient Home Improvement Credits? I'm sure the people who were renting or lived in apartments or out of country, must not have also either appreciated subsidizing all those "wealthy homeowners" upgrades?
Point being, this is not the first or the last gov't tax credit "program" to subsidize and benefit one segment of the population over the other.
MarquisdeSade1
01-25-25, 00:38
Trump doesn't own anything. He's a parasite and always has been. His "executive orders" look like a flurry of activities, but all of them are cheap ideological shots to emotionally satisfy his poor, narrow-minded, uneducated supporters to evoke intense and vehement sensation of "owning the dems. "
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Last year, Chris Rufo, the influential right-wing strategist who spearheaded the campaign against diversity, equity and inclusion, or the. E. I. , initiatives, told me about his ambitions for a second Trump presidency. He hoped, he said, to see Donald Trump's administration aggressively investigate Ivy League institutions that, according to Rufo, practice "rampant" discrimination against white, Jewish and Asian students and faculty members, particularly through the. E. I. Programs, which aim to boost the representation of groups deemed underprivileged. If they were found to have violated the law, he wanted the schools put under a federal consent decree, "so that the federal government can get them into compliance by force. ".
More broadly, he imagined a complete transformation of American academia. "If you have the full weight of the White House, the full weight of the Department of Education and a platoon of right-wing lawyers trying to use all of the statutory and executive authority that they have to reshape higher education, I think it could be a thing of tremendous beauty," he told me.
The model for such a multipronged assault, said Rufo, was Florida, where Gov. Ron DeSantis created an "enormous improvement in the culture. " One place to see what this looks like in practice is New College of Florida, where DeSantis made Rufo a trustee. Once a progressive redoubt, it currently offers classes like "The 'Woke' Movement," whose course description says, "What has become known colloquially as the 'woke' movement is best understood as a kind of cult. ".
Now Rufo, who met with Trump's education team on Inauguration Day, is seeing his vision start to become reality. With one of his first executive orders, Trump set up sweeping investigations into the. E. I. In the private sector, instructing federal agencies to identify up to nine investigative targets among major institutions, including colleges and universities "with endowments over $1 billion," a category that includes all the Ivies.
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Another executive order lays the groundwork for deporting foreign students and professors who engage in anti-Israel activism, something Trump promised during his campaign. It calls for ensuring that "aliens otherwise already present in the United States" aren't hostile to its citizens, culture, government or institutions, and "do not advocate for, aid or support designated foreign terrorists and other threats to our national security. ".
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These are two of the opening salvos in a campaign to crush the academic left. "There's kind of a multifront threat right now as to whether or not you can express views that are unpopular with the folks in the White House and executive agencies and continue to enjoy the protections of the First Amendment on academic freedom," said Will Creeley, legal director of the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, which fights both left- and right-wing infringements on free speech.
Many Americans, including plenty of people who didn't vote for Trump, won't mourn the end of tedious corporate the. E. I. Trainings and have little sympathy for radical student protesters. "I've been talking with executives in Silicon Valley, investors on Wall Street and administrators within the universities," Rufo told me on Thursday. "They're all telling me the same thing: The resistance to Trump's agenda is at an all-time low. ".
But this climate of liberal resignation only makes the administration's plans more ominous. Under the cover of rolling back unpopular left-wing excesses, Trump's team is trying to assert political control over American higher education, and it seems to be pushing on an open door.
Some of the coming crackdown will be couched as a reaction to campus antisemitism. Rufo described critical race theory, post-colonial studies and the. E. I. As "intimately related ideologies," of which left-wing antisemitism is but one expression. "They're nesting dolls. Antisemitism, anti-white hatred and the desire to overthrow the West are all built on the same foundation. " It is that foundation that the administration seems bent on attacking.
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Creeley, at the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, predicts that many state legislatures, local officials and university trustees are going to enlist, either out of enthusiasm or expediency, in the crusade to bring the academic left to heel. "I think you'll see professors investigated and terminated. I think you're going to see students punished, and I think you're going to see a pre-emptive action on those fronts," he said.
Just look at what's happened at Harvard this week. On Tuesday it announced that, as part of a lawsuit settlement, it would adopt a definition of antisemitism that includes some harsh criticisms of Israel and Zionism, such as holding Israel to a "double standard" and likening its policies to Nazism. Though Harvard claims that it still adheres to the First Amendment, under this definition a student or professor who accuses Israel of genocidal action in Gaza — as the Israeli American Holocaust scholar Omer Bartov has — might be subject to disciplinary action.
In a further act of capitulation, the Harvard Medical School canceled a lecture and panel on wartime health care that was to feature patients from Gaza because of objections that it was one-sided, The Harvard Crimson reported.
"I think that Harvard likely read the room, so to speak, from a political perspective, and decided to cut their losses," said Creeley. In this period of capitulation, it probably won't be the last school to fall in line.
MarquisdeSade1
01-25-25, 04:31
Mississippi politician files Contraception Begins at Erection Act
https://www.wlbt.com/2025/01/22/mississippi-politician-files-contraception-begins-erection-act/
In fact, if you really cared about babies you would agree that a baby begin breathing life with the first horny thought in the mind of either the man or the woman and anything you do to inhibit or thwart the inevitable from that moment forward is butchering a baby. Or maybe twins. Or maybe triplets. Or maybe quads.
Please be consistent in your MAGA principles.The Corner.
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The Democrats' Born-Alive Dissembling.
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Liberals have never been able to decide why they are against legislation that protects newborns who survive attempted abortion. Half the time they say it's because the legislation is unnecessary, since existing law already requires doctors to give these newborns the same medical attention as other newborns in the same medical condition. Half the time they say it's because the law interferes with "reproductive rights" or parental authority to make medical decisions. At no point do they confront the contradiction between these arguments.
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Senate Republicans forced a vote on such legislation today. The opponents are still trying to have it both ways. Here's the headline on the New York Times' story: "Senate Democrats Block G. O. P. Effort to Criminalize Some Abortion Providers. " Which ones? The ones that are already violating the law? Paragraph five: "Federal law already requires that a baby who survives an attempted abortion receive emergency medical care. . . " The Times does not, however, cite the law it has in mind. If it's the 2002 Born-Alive Infants Protection Act — which is what the opponents of the law have invoked in past rounds of debate — there are two problems: That law does not explicitly require medical care at all, and includes no penalties.
The article gives the last word about the bill to Senator Patty Murray (D. , Wash.): "It would create a new government mandate that would override the best judgment of grieving families that find out their fetus has a fatal condition. " Wait, so the families get to decide whether the newborn receives emergency medical care? The Times just told us that federal law says the newborn has to receive that care. And the proposed law gives families the same range of choice over treatment that families have with respect to the treatment of other newborns.
The confusion on born-alive legislation always takes the same form and is always easy to clear up. It's enough to suggest that the confusion is motivated—and the motive is protecting the Democrats from exposure of their extremism on the issue of butchering babies.
Trump doesn't own anything. He's a parasite and always has been. His "executive orders" look like a flurry of activities, but all of them are cheap ideological shots to emotionally satisfy his poor, narrow-minded, uneducated supporters to evoke intense and vehement sensation of "owning the dems. "
Kill, baby, kill, that's what this "president" is all about.But the poor things that didn't vote for Harris still don't realize it and might not ever realize it. The best cons are the ones that leave the sucker marks thinking they did a good thing without the slightest clue they've been conned.
Case in point; note the "alarming" headlines and emotional reaction to the supposed "Mass Deportations" happening a week into this mess:
Trump ramps up ICE arrests, alarming cities and immigrant communities.
The number of suspects arrested several hundred per day has been outpaced by the psychological impact of the attention on ICE operations.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/01/24/immigration-raids-deportations-trump-ice/
But a closer look into the report reveals this:
Without evidence, he said: These are murderers. These are people that have been as bad as you get. As bad as anybody youve seen. Were taking them out first.
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"The largest massive deportation operation in history is well underway, Leavitt wrote on X on Thursday.
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Tom Cartwright, who tracks ICE deportations for the immigrant advocacy group Witness at the Border, called the military operation theater of the absurd in a post on X. The only thing new about this is subjecting people to transport on a cargo plane, Cartwright wrote. He noted that ICE carried out 508 deportation flights to Guatemala during the 2024 fiscal year on planes that average 125 passengers.
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Immigration officials did not say precisely how many immigrants were deported as part of the nationwide operations that unfolded this week or how many were criminals but officials have said their main targets are serious offenders.
Trump also conducted raids at the start of his first term, and had threatened to deport millions of people, though he never came close to that number.
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ICE has arrested immigrants, particularly criminals, across every administration, and the Biden administration boasted that it was aggressively pursuing serious offenders. Days before Biden left office, ICE said it had arrested 33 criminal noncitizens in a week-long operation in December, also in Newark.A lot of showy theatrics but business as usual, even under the Biden administration, but likely in the end less than under the Obama administration.
So, to recap, at this point, many days after "Day One", there have been no Mass Deportations beyond what is typically done anyway, no tariffs, no end to the Ukraine War, no reduction in the cost of eggs, groceries, gas or rent.
However, Trump HAS passed EOs that will RAISE the cost of prescription drugs for the poor and elderly, will make the air and water dirtier, exacerbate the disastrous effects of climate change and rush in the next Trump's Pandemic. Oh, and the March to outlaw Sex For Pleasure continues unawares.
Of course, he will definitely continue to claim unearned and undeserved credit for the terrific Bidenomics trajectories he inherited along the way. Until his Know Nothingness and Do Nothingness inevitably run out of terrific Bidenomics wind to coast on and the next inevitable Once in a 100 Yeats Repub Disaster comes along for him to embrace, exacerbate and exploit.
Until then, it is time to hit those links for golf, golf and more golf mixed in with every embarrassing grift and con he can think of to sucker more of the dumb hillbillies who voted for him or just didn't vote for Harris.
Oh well.
MarquisdeSade1
01-25-25, 04:39
Oh, I see both you and your Winger link ommitted this part:
From the actual Gallup report:
Captain Obvious, indeed.
BTW, don't you think that is a weird polling question? I do.
The Gallup topic question was:
Americans Think History Will Rate Biden Presidency Negatively
I mean, why not ask what Americans think of the Biden presidency? Why ask what they think some historians will think about it in the future?
Oh, also BTW, your Winger link DID misrepresent what the exact Gallup poll question was, didn't they?
Your Winger link headline was:
Gallup: Americans to Remember Joe Biden as Second-Worst President in History
But that is not what that Gallup poll asked or showed.
Let me guess, you got a lead on this Winger link misrepresentation on newly fact-free Meta. Lolol.https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/01/joe-bidens-final-corrupt-acts/
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Joe Biden's Final Corrupt Acts.
Former president Joe Biden and former vice president Kamala Harris listen as President Donald Trump speaks after being sworn in as the 47th President in the USA Capitol Rotunda in Washington, the. See. , January 20,2025. (Saul Loeb / Reuters).
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We will deal with President Trump's January 6 pardons in a separate editorial. As for Joe Biden's last-minute pardons, they did not reek any less for being utterly predictable.
The former president set the works in motion last month with the shameful pardon of his son. Hunter Biden had been the point man in the decades-long Biden family business of selling access to his father and his political influence to agents of corrupt and anti-American foreign regimes, including the Chinese Communist Party. He had been found guilty on federal firearms charges (by a jury) and tax charges (on a guilty plea), and was facing the likelihood of a significant prison sentence. This was only after the Biden Justice Department labored mightily to make the criminal investigations of the younger Biden disappear.
Although the former president and his White House staff indignantly insisted that Hunter would not be pardoned, Hunter's litigation strategy — admit nothing, resist normal plea negotiations — made sense only if he knew all along he was going to be pardoned. And, of course, he was, right before sentencing proceedings that would have branded him a convicted felon were set to commence.
Still, while the pardon solved Hunter's criminal-liability problem, it created a separate vulnerability: The immunity from prosecution extinguished Hunter's Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination. As a result, Hunter could be forced to testify against other participants if an enterprising prosecutor in the incoming Trump Justice Department decided to probe the Biden family scheme — which a House investigation found generated an astonishing $27 million, transferred through intermediaries into bank accounts of various Biden family members.
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This is why our own Andy McCarthy has so consistently warned that the logic of Hunter's pardon dictated that there would be additional corrupt pardons — the kind a president makes only when walking out the Oval Office door for the last time, no longer concerned about appearances and political accountability.
Sure enough, in the last minutes before heading off to Donald Trump's inauguration, Biden pardoned his siblings: brothers Jim (Hunter's chief partner in the family biz) and Francis, and sister Valerie, along with Jim's and Valerie's spouses. Without a hint of irony, the former president, whose Justice Department hounded Trump for four years, claimed he was acting to protect his kin from partisan weaponization of the Justice Department.
Realizing how the Hunter pardon tainted his legacy, Biden transparently attempted to minimize its significance with a mountain of clemency grants. These included disgraceful commutations of 37 death row inmates (while leaving in place the three capital cases brought and defended by the Obama and Biden administrations), and thousands of sentencing reductions that are another abuse of the pardon power.
And then there are the preemptive pardons of public officials. Biden granted clemency to Dr. Anthony Fauci, the former head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases who drove controversial Covid policy and potentially obfuscated the pandemic's origin; retired Army General Mark Milley, the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who crossed swords with Trump following the Capitol riot; and the members and staff of the House January 6 Committee, which was deeply hostile to Trump and issued a scathing report recommending that he be charged with felonies (which the Biden DOJ special counsel proceeded to do).
There was no need for such pardons. No matter what one thinks of these officials, their actions in carrying out their official duties are immune from prosecution. But knowing he was going to pardon other family members just as he pardoned Hunter, Biden must have calculated that granting clemency to public officials would help pretty up his other self-serving pardons.
History will not be kind to Joe Biden — not to his family's monetization of the power of his offices of public trust, and not to his historic abuse of the pardon power.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/21/opinion/trump-maga-hearts-minds.html
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Guest Essay.Why did you think I'd be interested in NYT articles when I'm only interested in your twisted mind.
And seriously man quit pasting whole damn things. Post a quote to illustrate what you are thinking. That's damn lazy what you're doing, seriously.
Elvis 2008
01-25-25, 05:03
Really, how are EVs "a pain in the ass" and "terrible" for the environment? Dude, Elvis 2008, you just sound very misinformed and confusedThat you do not know why tells me you do not own an EV, and you have not looked into the issue, and I do not feel like educating someone like yourself who refuses to learn. Your $1. 2 trillion in tax credits tells me people are only buying EVs because they are being bribed by government.
The reason I make fun of you dumb Democratic douches is that you take everything as partisan. You are so much smarter than everyone else. Your views are reinforced by the lame stream media and you do not dig down and get the truth. You all are in an echo chamber where everyone tells you how smart you are. Even if a Dem ventures off at all and tells you that you are wrong, he is a bothsider. Bill Maher is a bothsider because he criticized Gavin Newsome over the LA fires right?
In reality, things are not as simple as your good-bad, partisan view of the world. With regards to Chinese vehicles, yes, their quality overall is markedly improved, and they are way cheaper. It is not the EVs that matter but the combustion ones I am looking at. Chile has very few car tarrifs and is really where all car companies compete. Chinese cars used to be thought of as cheap and low quallity. Now they own 40% of the market in Chile and people who buy Chinese cars love them. I was in two Chinese cars in South America recently and what I saw was actually better than their competitors.
So you have stumbled onto half of the story. It is not Chinese EVs but regular cars. Cars are the second biggest asset most people own, and if you let Chinese cars in without tarrifs, you will see lower inflation and consequently lower interest rates. That is a huge boon to the economy. The downside is if you let Chinese cars in you could blow up the American auto industry and risk that all the people working at GM and Ford may no longer have jobs. And if they go under, do we really want to be so dependent on China for auto transportation?
So for most people without rocks in their head, this is a very complicated decision except for dumb Democratic douches like you and Tooms. For you guys, it is easy, whatever Trump decides to do is wrong, and that is why I cannot stand you guys. You just want what is best for the Democratic party but it is really what is best for you. You just think the Dems are going to keep sending you your checks, and that is ALL you care about. You are just so selfish. At the end of the day, you do not give a damn about the country. All you care about is yourselves.
Elvis 2008
01-25-25, 05:33
Trump doesn't own anything. He's a parasite and always has been.https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/oct/29/truth-social-trading-suspended
Shares in Trump Media & Technology Group (TMTG), the former president's tiny social media empire, rose 8. 8% on Tuesday. Trading of the stock was suspended several times due to volatility.
TMTG has surged in recent weeks, tripling its value this month alone, as Trump courted voters during the final stage of the presidential campaign. Trump's majority stake is currently worth about $5. 9 bn.
What did I just say about you dumb Democratic douches? You live in an echo chamber being fed lies by the lamestream media and you repeat those lies over and over again and think you are so smart. And that is the genesis of these idiotic statements like someone who owns nearly $6 billion in stock alone "doesn't own anything. ".
And instead of tuning out the people lying to you, you will feel stupid after my comment and go right back to the people lying to you and making you feel good. I just shake my head. I do not get it. All I can guess is that you would rather feel smart than be smart.
I am so anxious to read the posts by Elvis, Tiny, MDS and any Inflation Hawks here rhapsodizing about how sweet it is, so be it, get over it that "smart businessman" Donald Trump will pay for utterly worthless, deficit-skyrocketing tax cuts for himself and his wealthy cronies by increasing Tariff Taxes on the American Working Men and Women, jacking up and Inflating costs for everything just as his constant blather about doing it has already jacked up and Inflated the cost of shipments, the items being shipped and mortgage loan rates even before he raises those American Consumer Tariff Taxes and regardless whether he actually gets around to putting down the golf club to do it or not.
JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon says to get over it on Trumps tariff proposals.
https://fortune.com/2025/01/23/jpmorgan-jamie-dimon-donald-trump-tariffs-davos-mexico-canada/
"If its a little inflationary but good for national security, so be it, get over it", Dimon advised. Hey, speaking of Inflation Hawks, whatever happened to former Mainstream Media Darling Larry Summers?
Throughout most of Biden's historically successful presidential term and certainly before the 2022 midterms and the 2024 election I could barely turn on or access a MSM outlet without re-hearing over and over again how Biden's brilliant short and long-term economic stimulus, growth and expansion legislation "might risk" higher inflation. But lately? No so much.
Sure, I was able to do a deep search into the bowels of the Internet and did indeed eventually find a brief report of him whispering a warning into a hollow tree trunk about Trump's inarguably highly inflationary plans. But nothing like the 24/7 coverage he got on the topic all around MSM and, oh yes, very much right here in this forum, when Biden's historically positive legislation was in discussion.
Has he been accidentally swept up in the Routine, er I mean, Mass Deportation program pretending to go on now, been handcuffed and flown via cargo plane to Canada?
Then:
Trump says he can end the Russia-Ukraine war in one day. Russia's UN ambassador says he cant.
July 2, 2024
https://apnews.com/article/trump-russia-ukraine-war-un-election-a78ecb843af452b8dda1d52d137ca893
NOW:
Trump said he'd quickly end Russia's war on Ukraine. But it's proving tough.
Jan. 23, 2025
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2025/01/23/trump-sanctions-russia-end-ukraine-war/77557215007/
No. Really. Nobody knew ending Putin's War was hard.
Really.
Nobody.
Swear to god.
Nobody knew it.
Really.Trump failed about his promises and same for tok tok, but now, he fucks women rights and our planet. Poor American women and poor planet with his pollution. Just a crazy senile.
Trump's Pandemic Part 2, dot #3:
State Department freezes new funding for nearly all US aid programs worldwide.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/25/state-department-freezes-new-funding-for-nearly-all-us-aid-programs-worldwide.html?__source=androidappshare
The U.S. provides more foreign aid globally than any other country, budgeting about $60 billion in 2023, or about 1% of the U.S. budget.
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But Fridays order especially disappointed humanitarian officials by not including specific exemptions for life-saving health programs, such as clinics and immunization programs.
A globally acclaimed anti-HIV program, the Presidents Emergency Relief Plan for AIDS Relief, was among those included in the spending freeze, slated to last at least three months. Known as PEPFAR, the program is credited with saving 25 million lives, including those of 5.5 million children, since it was started by Republican President George W. Bush.
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While Rubios order exempted military assistance to allies Israel and Egypt from the freeze, there was no indication of a similar waiver to allow vital U.S. military assistance to Ukraine through.It looks like Trump will be adding a dot or two more than was necessary last time for him to Mass Murder at least 1 Million Americans and millions more around the World.
But, then, this time he seems to be targeting more children than before. Perhaps he just wants to be more certain of the desired results rather than relying on historic "Repub luck" to produce horrific results as he did in his first term.
Of course, that part could very well be a President Musk directive:
The President of the United States of America has been the best thing to happen to the Crypto Industry since the development of the Blockchain Technology itself.
Unless you are buying index funds, comparisons of indexes composed to stocks you do not own is irrelevant to an individuals portfolio performance. I don't see the point of individual trying to give credit for rises and falls of the US Stock Market to political actors. Those who understand markets know it is the market actors that determine the prices and their movements in the markets. If you are not in the market you do not benefit directly from those movements.
Facts!
When you write nonsensical keyboard diarrhea like this?
You're angry because you hate our country (not yours) and you know the truth is the exact opposite of everything you wrote.
WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP.
ALLAHU AKBAR.
I'm not a spelling Nazi or grammar Nazi but when you call Our Lord and Savior incomperent that's just a cherry on TOP (ROTFLMMFAO).
Of your childish asinine ramblings!!
Everything you wrote applied to Bubba GW Barry Hussein and Scumbag Joe and you know it!!
They all loved Barry he was such a low IQ beta ***** he allowed them to ass fuck the USA for 8 solid yrs like his husband Michael from the South side ghetto of Chicago does to him daily.https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/23/business/trump-davos-tariffs-ultimatum/index.html
Numbskull Trump read virtually every sentence on his teleprompter speech with the same "menacing" monotone he always resorts to when he has never read the speech before, has no idea what words are coming next, what kind of vocal inflection this or that phrase needs to get the point across in this or that sentence. So he just reads everything with no vocal inflection. Just a hilarious "menacing" monotone. LOL.
That is only one piece of evidence anyone needs in order to immediately realize beyond a shadow of a doubt that Joe Biden is now and has always been more lucid and cognitively competent than Donald Trump has ever been at any age, BTW.
But the worst and most embarrassing thing about Trump's astonishingly revealing appearance at the WEF was that he used that ridiculously ineffectual "menacing" monotone to promote idiocy like this:
"My message to every business in the world is very simple: Come make your product in America and we will give you among the lowest taxes of any nation on Earth, Trump said Thursday. But if you dont make your product in America, which is your prerogative, then very simply you will have to pay a tariff.
Trump predicted the tariffs would bring in hundreds of billions of dollars perhaps trillions of dollars into the US Treasury, which would help pay down Americas massive debt and his planned tax cuts.
(See link for oh so many more Trump lies and total lack of coherence on economic matters he revealed at the WEF)
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Its not as if no one has tried to point out Trumps logical leaps and apparent misreading of his Econ 101 textbook. Over the summer, at the Economic Club of Chicago, Trump simply refused to accept that his tariff plans would increase costs for consumers, telling Bloomberg News Editor-in-Chief John Micklethwait that his critics have been wrong about everything. So have you, by the way, youve been wrong Youve been wrong all your life on this stuff.It is one thing to float a lie about who pays Tariffs when he is blathering to the dumb MAGA hillbillies that believe his every lie, send him large portions of their government entitlement checks, buy his Made-in-China Bibles and voted for him to reduce the price of eggs.
But to try to float a lie about it to business leaders attending or watching the so-called potus' appearance at the World Economic Forum takes some kind of very, very, I mean short bus special kind of mental incapacity.
MarquisdeSade1
01-25-25, 16:43
Why did you think I'd be interested in NYT articles when I'm only interested in your twisted mind.
And seriously man quit pasting whole damn things. Post a quote to illustrate what you are thinking. That's damn lazy what you're doing, seriously.The whole country has turned against the radical extremism of the left and you call me twisted? That's some pretty serious projecting there. Lololol.
Post a quote? The whole article is my quote, I'm a bridge from NYT to ISGs Politics thread, ok if you don't read the whole article maybe someone else will.
MarquisdeSade1
01-25-25, 16:49
I am so anxious to read the posts by Elvis, Tiny, MDS and any Inflation Hawks here rhapsodizing about how sweet it is, so be it, get over it that "smart businessman" Donald Trump will pay for utterly worthless, deficit-skyrocketing tax cuts for himself and his wealthy cronies by increasing Tariff Taxes on the American Working Men and Women, jacking up and Inflating costs for everything just as his constant blather about doing it has already jacked up and Inflated the cost of shipments, the items being shipped and mortgage loan rates even before he raises those American Consumer Tariff Taxes and regardless whether he actually gets around to putting down the golf club to do it or not.
JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon says to get over it on Trumps tariff proposals.
https://fortune.com/2025/01/23/jpmorgan-jamie-dimon-donald-trump-tariffs-davos-mexico-canada/
Hey, speaking of Inflation Hawks, whatever happened to former Mainstream Media Darling Larry Summers?
Throughout most of Biden's historically successful presidential term and certainly before the 2022 midterms and the 2024 election I could barely turn on or access a MSM outlet without re-hearing over and over again how Biden's brilliant short and long-term economic stimulus, growth and expansion legislation "might risk" higher inflation. But lately?I'm perfectly ok with inflation as long as it destroys Globalism! Especially the one sided Trade with Asia and the EU (maybe even Canada and Mexico also).
See Americas $1,000,000,000,000 trade deficit.
Really, how are EVs "a pain in the ass" and "terrible" for the environment? Dude, Elvis 2008, you just sound very misinformed and confused, with crap statements like that! I don't see world gov'ts putting billion dollar fines and emission regulations on EV manufacturers. "VW Stares Down The Barrel Of $1.6 Billion EU Fine. ". If Volkswagen can't meet the EU's emissions targets they could face some severe penalties... https://www.carscoops.com/2025/01/vw-stares-down-the-barrel-of-1-6-billion-eu-fine/
According to Tiny 12's Goldman Sachs article, there's been some $1.2 trillion in tax credits for EV purchases from "wealthy" Americans. Sounds like a lot of American's are enjoying their "pain in the ass" EVs?
Check this out: It took 68 years for the world to reach 1 terawatt of solar PV capacity. It took just two years to double it, Nov 11, 2024. Face it, by 2035, solar will supply and make up 40+% of the worlds energy source. https://reneweconomy.com.au/it-took-68-years-for-the-world-to-reach-1-terawatt-of-solar-pv-capacity-it-took-just-two-years-to-double-it/
That's a lot of FREE FUEL for your EVs, that your right-wing oil and gas slave masters and robber barons don't want you to have. When are you Rebub clowns, gonna wake up to that FACT!
Most ICE vehicle manufacturing will be down to about 15%, by 2035 and that Repub "old school think" and "drill baby drill" only mentality, will set America going backwards, while China dominates on the world stage in huge sales of clean renewable energy solutions, EVs and battery automotive/industrial and robotic excellence.
So only wealthy EV owners are eligible to takes advantage of the tax credit? And are responsible for the $1.2T of pork (according to Goldman Sachs)? That sure is a lot of EV purchases, by just "wealthy" Americans? So why are right wing media outlets saying nobody is buying EVs and nobody wants them and EV sales are way down, pathetic and moribund?
BTW, what exactly is in that $1.2T you quoted, as I'm sure many of those fascist red states are benefiting from President Biden job and manufacturing growth for the Clean Energy incentives in the IRA. Surely your not saying it all just EV Tax Credits?
The Times Is Forced to Correct a Misleading Article Claiming Electric Vehicle Demand Is Falling When Its Actually Rising, 13th, Jan 2025 https://bylinetimes.com/2025/01/13/the-times-was-forced-to-correct-a-misleading-article-claiming-electric-vehicle-demand-is-falling-when-its-actually-rising/
Could it be just another fabrication, like yet another round lies from yet another Rupert Murdock News Crop, entity, as The Times, was just convicted in the UK for lying about EV car sales demand and force to make a retraction. Falsely claiming EV car sales have been going down, when numbers show the complete opposite is the case. No doubt backed by scared fossil fuel and legacy auto companies.
I guess that would be like all those "wealthy homeowners" that were given a similar tax credit for the Energy Efficient Home Improvement Credits? I'm sure the people who were renting or lived in apartments or out of country, must not have also either appreciated subsidizing all those "wealthy homeowners" upgrades?
Point being, this is not the first or the last gov't tax credit "program" to subsidize and benefit one segment of the population over the other.https://youtu.be/fmbZwxEnAFc
MarquisdeSade1
01-25-25, 21:31
But the poor things that didn't vote for Harris still don't realize it and might not ever realize it. The best cons are the ones that leave the sucker marks thinking they did a good thing without the slightest clue they've been conned.
Case in point; note the "alarming" headlines and emotional reaction to the supposed "Mass Deportations" happening a week into this mess:
Trump ramps up ICE arrests, alarming cities and immigrant communities.
The number of suspects arrested several hundred per day has been outpaced by the psychological impact of the attention on ICE operations.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2025/01/24/immigration-raids-deportations-trump-ice/
But a closer look into the report reveals this:
A lot of showy theatrics but business as usual, even under the Biden administration, but likely in the end less than under the Obama administration.
So, to recap, at this point, many days after "Day One", there have been no Mass Deportations beyond what is typically done anyway, no tariffs, no end to the Ukraine War, no reduction in the cost of eggs, groceries, gas or rent.
However, Trump HAS passed EOs that will RAISE the cost of prescription drugs for the poor and elderly, will make the air and water dirtier, exacerbate the disastrous effects of climate change and rush in the next Trump's Pandemic. Oh, and the March to outlaw Sex For Pleasure continues unawares.
Of course, he will definitely continue to claim unearned and undeserved credit for the terrific Bidenomics trajectories he inherited along the way. Until his Know Nothingness and Do Nothingness inevitably run out of terrific Bidenomics wind to coast on and the next inevitable Once in a 100 Yeats Repub Disaster comes along for him to embrace, exacerbate and exploit.
Until then, it is time to hit those links for golf, golf and more golf mixed in with every embarrassing grift and con he can think of to sucker more of the dumb hillbillies who voted for him or just didn't vote for Harris.
Oh well.https://americancompass.org/the-arc-of-the-economic-debate-is-long-but-bends-toward-tariffs/
https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/11/22/oren-cass-makes-case-for-trump-tariffs/
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/09/economic-arguments-tariffs-trump/680015/
https://www.gzeromedia.com/gzero-world-with-ian-bremmer/the-case-for-trumps-tariffs
https://www.gzeromedia.com/in-60-seconds/europe/at-davos-eyes-on-trump
Tariff aka "the most beautiful word on the planet".
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/oct/29/truth-social-trading-suspended
Shares in Trump Media & Technology Group (TMTG), the former president's tiny social media empire, rose 8. 8% on Tuesday. Trading of the stock was suspended several times due to volatility.
TMTG has surged in recent weeks, tripling its value this month alone, as Trump courted voters during the final stage of the presidential campaign. Trump's majority stake is currently worth about $5. 9 bn.
A corrupt, unscrupulous politician's social media concoction financed by the Chinese and Russians, the concoction always ridden with multiple violations, the concoction so terrible in thought and execution that it was soaking in obscurity for years until he got to power?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_Social
That's business success?
Jesus, you're so much dumber than I could ever imagine.
Hey, while you're at it. Do you know who has way more money than Trump?
Putin.
Time for new praises.
The whole country has turned against the radical extremism of the left and you call me twisted? That's some pretty serious projecting there. Lololol.
Post a quote? The whole article is my quote, I'm a bridge from NYT to ISGs Politics thread, ok if you don't read the whole article maybe someone else will.Why is it always "mandates" and always the "whole country" for totalitarians? Why can't they not shamelessly exaggerate even when they don't have to?
You have won the election. No one's arguing that. No one runs to the Capitol to break down the doors and hang the traitors.
And yet, you still have to lie about the numbers. Why is it so important to you?
You have half. Half of the country, which is still a tragedy, but you don't have the whole country.
And yes, pasting long articles on a forum, even with "advertisement breaks" is lazy and extremely bad taste. It means you can't even bother to speak your own mind.
On the other hand, I'm surprised you're upset that I called your mind twisted. You're advocating for civil wars, praising Putin and his war against Ukraine, and you're not twisted? What are you then, a conventional conservative?
Come on now.
Malum in se. Malum in se is a concept in criminal law referring to an inherently immoral act, regardless of whether the action is criminalized.
Abortion is the murder of a baby.
Tread lightly, Karma isn't so kind to baby butchers.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/01/20/former-abortion-giant-planned-parenthood-president-cecile-richards-dies-after-battling-brain-cancer/
Its a shame it took her so quickly she should of suffered much much longer!!
Brain cancer is the perfect death for this monster.You never heard children telling: I never ask to born? Better no birth than unhappy child and mother, out of stupid puritanism in porn country, with Trump going with porn actress.
Elvis 2008
01-26-25, 00:42
I am so anxious to read the posts by Elvis, Tiny, MDS and any Inflation Hawks here rhapsodizing about how sweet it is, so be it, get over it that "smart businessman" Donald Trump will pay for utterly worthless, deficit-skyrocketing tax cuts for himself and his wealthy cronies by increasing Tariff Taxes on the American Working Men and Women, jacking up and Inflating costs for everythingThis from the dumb Democratic douche who thought prosecuting Trump criminally and banning him from Twitter were great moves when in reality they put billions in Trump's pocket. And now you are smart economically? LOL. Give me a break. You are a fool. The only economic idea you dumb Dems have is Orange Man bad. You fools think EVs are practical and going to change the world, that excessive government spending does not cause inflation, that green means job, and EV tax credits do not cost anyone anything.
Tiny showed where Spidy's thinking was so flawed with that one clip, but like I said, Spidy tripped over a half truth. The Chinese are not just making good cars now. They are better than ours, and they can be produced at half the price. The cheapest American car is $20,000. The cheapest Chinese car in Chile is $9,000, and that $9,000 car is better than the $20,000 one.
For a senior fart like you living on government checks, being in favor of removing tariffs on Chinese cars is the easiest stance you can have. If Americans can buy cars for 50% of what they can now, inflation is gone. Interest rates come down, and instead of having to pay exorbitant interest rates on the debt, government can give more to you, and your dollar goes further if there is no inflation. For somebody as selfish as you Tooms, this is a big a no brainer as there is.
For those of us who care about our country, we know that removing tariffs means destroying the USA auto industry and having to put out of work everyone who is working there. MDS and Jaime Damon have taken the other side and said that the cost of the tariffs is worth it in the long run.
Biden and his administration had no fucking clue with regards to inflation. What I see Trump doing is trying a middle ground. Playing up the power of tariffs to cut a deal with China. Let's get some of the inflationary benefits of cheap Chinese cars but have them build factories here so American workers are not screwed and all the car factories are not in China. Maybe the cars at $15,000 versus $20,000 is enough to get a handle on inflation.
But when the fires came to California, the reservoir manager who was being paid $750,000 a year had reservoirs that were empty. Fire departments hired fat gay women who could not lift men out of a burning building. And on top of that, for much less than the amount spent in Ukraine, California could have had a water and natural gas pipeline from Alaska. There could have an end to the droughts in California and cheap clean energy ending the brownouts or Biden could spend money trying to fuck over Putin. How stupid do you have to be to pick Putin hatred over water and electricity?
But still even after that, you go back to your echo chamber where Trump is dumb. You mingle with and fill your head up with the ideas of the folks on the view, MSNBC, and the NYTimes. You repeat the same tired song and dance and play the game of who can insult Trump the best.
Thing is Joe Rogan and Donald Trump warned you dumb Dems about the fires. Trump said rake the forests, do not let the water drain into the ocean and fill the reservoirs. And what do you say about that? Nothing. You dumb Democratic douches call us MAGA folks in a cult? Shit, you won't say one word about the fires. Not even, okay, so a broken clock is right twice a day. Nothing.
And here you are again going back to your same routine about Trump being stupid and advocating people tune him out. Hundreds of millions of people heard Trump on Joe Rogan warn about the fires. Why would you be making fun of Trump after that? Do you want more fires?
If this were a totally natural tragedy, I would be like, "Oh yeah, I do not care if my insurance rates or taxes go up. Help these people. " But now, I am like, why should I pay a damned penny? This same shit is going to happen again if the same morons are in charge. Dumb Democratic douches like yourself do not learn shit. Calling Trump stupid does not fill up the reservoirs.
In comparison, Texas got hit by another huge snowstorm earlier this week, a much bigger than in 2021 when there was partial power for a few days. This time, there were almost no power outages. Unlike in California, the problem was fucking fixed.
When you describe others being in a cult, you need to look in a mirror. I have listed multiple positions about what you should be advocating for and you cannot even do that. How dumb do you have to be to think Trump was wrong on the fires? And support the Democratic idiots who let them happen?
I'm perfectly ok with inflation as long as it destroys Globalism! Especially the one sided Trade with Asia and the EU (maybe even Canada and Mexico also).
See Americas $1,000,000,000,000 trade deficit.Fox follows Jamie Dimon in endorsing higher inflation from Trumps planned tariffs: So be it
https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-follows-jamie-dimon-endorsing-higher-inflation-trumps-planned-tariffs-so-be-it-0
Fox cited Dimon to downplay concerns over inflation from Trumps tariffs
On CNBCs Squawk Box, JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon said: If it is a little inflationary, but it's good for national security, so be it. I mean, get over it. National security trumps a little bit more inflation. CNBC, Squawk Box, 1/22/25
Fox Business host Jackie DeAngelis: If we see a little inflation because were going to bring business back home here, and because were going to grow the American economy? As Jamie Dimon earlier said, so be it. Fox News, The Faulkner Focus, 1/23/25
Fox Business anchor Maria Bartiromo cited Dimons defense of Trumps tariffs and claimed Trumps policies are actually anti-inflationary. Bartiromo echoed past right-wing media whitewashing of Trumps economic proposals, saying, He uses tariffs as leverage. Im not worried about tariffs. Fox News, Americas Newsroom, 1/23/25; Media Matters, 9/12/24
Fox News anchor Bret Baier aired a clip of Dimon defending expected inflation from Trumps tariffs: Get over it, he says. Fox News, Special Report, 1/22/25
Fox Business host Charles Payne: After Dimon defended the expected inflation from Trumps tariffs, people are kind of taking a second look at this. Fox Business, Making Money, 1/23/25My goodness gracious but we DO seem to be entering a Golden Age of Inflation Acceptance Happiness, don't we.
And I suspect the name "Larry Summers" has not passed the lips of any of those Fux News personalities in quite a while.
I am so glad to know that now the price of eggs just does not matter to Trump's American Oligarchs, Russia's Oligarchs that write and provide "news" copy for everyone at Fux News to read, endorse and feed their MAGA viewers, you and everyone else. This reduces a lot of stress and pressure on the chickens too.
You know, now that you mention it and I think of it, I have been giving money to my tax accountant, rental property manager, thousands of restaurant owners, service workers, hotel owners, airlines and hookers over many, many years and I'll be damned if any of them have EVER given me any money at all!
That creates a huge monetary "trade deficit" to their favor and to my disfavor in an amount that must exceed well into the hundreds of thousands of dollars by now!
I sure hope nobody else reading this has ever handed out money left and right as I have and virtually never gotten any money in return for it. You most of all.
This from the dumb Democratic douche who thought prosecuting Trump criminally and banning him from Twitter were great moves when in reality they put billions in Trump's pocket. And now you are smart economically? LOL. Give me a break. You are a fool. The only economic idea you dumb Dems have is Orange Man bad. You fools think EVs are practical and going to change the world, that excessive government spending does not cause inflation, that green means job, and EV tax credits do not cost anyone anything.
Tiny showed where Spidy's thinking was so flawed with that one clip, but like I said, Spidy tripped over a half truth. The Chinese are not just making good cars now. They are better than ours, and they can be produced at half the price. The cheapest American car is $20,000. The cheapest Chinese car in Chile is $9,000, and that $9,000 car is better than the $20,000 one.
For a senior fart like you living on government checks, being in favor of removing tariffs on Chinese cars is the easiest stance you can have. If Americans can buy cars for 50% of what they can now, inflation is gone. Interest rates come down, and instead of having to pay exorbitant interest rates on the debt, government can give more to you, and your dollar goes further if there is no inflation. For somebody as selfish as you Tooms, this is a big a no brainer as there is.
For those of us who care about our country, we know that removing tariffs means destroying the USA auto industry and having to put out of work everyone who is working there. MDS and Jaime Damon have taken the other side and said that the cost of the tariffs is worth it in the long run.
Biden and his administration had no fucking clue with regards to inflation. What I see Trump doing is trying a middle ground. Playing up the power of tariffs to cut a deal with China. Let's get some of the inflationary benefits of cheap Chinese cars but have them build factories here so American workers are not screwed and all the car factories are not in China. Maybe the cars at $15,000 versus $20,000 is enough to get a handle on inflation.
But when the fires came to California, the reservoir manager who was being paid $750,000 a year had reservoirs that were empty. Fire departments hired fat gay women who could not lift men out of a burning building. And on top of that, for much less than the amount spent in Ukraine, California could have had a water and natural gas pipeline from Alaska. There could have an end to the droughts in California and cheap clean energy ending the brownouts or Biden could spend money trying to fuck over Putin. How stupid do you have to be to pick Putin hatred over water and electricity?
But still even after that, you go back to your echo chamber where Trump is dumb. You mingle with and fill your head up with the ideas of the folks on the view, MSNBC, and the NYTimes. You repeat the same tired song and dance and play the game of who can insult Trump the best.
Thing is Joe Rogan and Donald Trump warned you dumb Dems about the fires. Trump said rake the forests, do not let the water drain into the ocean and fill the reservoirs. And what do you say about that? Nothing. You dumb Democratic douches call us MAGA folks in a cult? Shit, you won't say one word about the fires. Not even, okay, so a broken clock is right twice a day. Nothing.
And here you are again going back to your same routine about Trump being stupid and advocating people tune him out. Hundreds of millions of people heard Trump on Joe Rogan warn about the fires. Why would you be making fun of Trump after that? Do you want more fires?
If this were a totally natural tragedy, I would be like, "Oh yeah, I do not care if my insurance rates or taxes go up. Help these people. " But now, I am like, why should I pay a damned penny? This same shit is going to happen again if the same morons are in charge. Dumb Democratic douches like yourself do not learn shit. Calling Trump stupid does not fill up the reservoirs.
In comparison, Texas got hit by another huge snowstorm earlier this week, a much bigger than in 2021 when there was partial power for a few days. This time, there were almost no power outages. Unlike in California, the problem was fucking fixed.
When you describe others being in a cult, you need to look in a mirror. I have listed multiple positions about what you should be advocating for and you cannot even do that. How dumb do you have to be to think Trump was wrong on the fires? And support the Democratic idiots who let them happen?I must say the links of substantiation for so much as a single word of your typical mindless blather that you didn't provide this time are far more impressive than the links of substantiation you usually don't provide.
Congratulations.
I have to ask; did you write that speech Trump read from the teleprompter in his usual hilarious "menacing" monotone at the WEF? Where he revealed to the entire global business world that the MAGAloons that put him back in office have got to be the biggest dumb suckers in history?
Seems like your handiwork.
https://americancompass.org/the-arc-of-the-economic-debate-is-long-but-bends-toward-tariffs/
https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/11/22/oren-cass-makes-case-for-trump-tariffs/
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/09/economic-arguments-tariffs-trump/680015/
https://www.gzeromedia.com/gzero-world-with-ian-bremmer/the-case-for-trumps-tariffs
https://www.gzeromedia.com/in-60-seconds/europe/at-davos-eyes-on-trump
Tariff aka "the most beautiful word on the planet".Then why hasn't he imposed those Trump Tariff Taxes On The American Consumer and Working Men and Women yet?
What is he waiting for?
We are LONG PAST Day One.
If they are so beautiful and are so great for everyone I would think he would have imposed those glorious gifts onto America and the American people way sooner than his EO raising the cost of prescription drugs, stopping the CDC from communicating with anyone about anything in the midst of a potential transition from animal to human for the crippling and deadly H5 virus, handing over the levers of control on preventing and responding to WHO reports of emerging viral spreads to the Chinese exactly as he did pre Trump's Pandemic, etc.
I for one am DAMN PISSED he did not impose and enact everything he promised in his campaign on Day One as he said he would. I absolutely, positively want MAGAs to get everything they voted for and ASAP.
Yes, it is a shame that everyone smart enough to vote 100% Dem up and down their ballot will enjoy those same classic Repub Results.
Oh well.
So when will he stop teasing us by dangling those lovely Trump Tariff Taxes over our heads and DELIVER on his promise already!
I thought he said Bidenomics was so terrible he needed to respond to the horrible results of it as an EMERGENCY!
So this is how he responds to a National EMERGENCY?
Where is he playing golf today?
Quick! Somebody run out there and remind him he has not gifted us with those wonderful Trump Tariff Taxes yet!
MarquisdeSade1
01-26-25, 06:09
Why is it always "mandates" and always the "whole country" for totalitarians? Why can't they not shamelessly exaggerate even when they don't have to?
You have won the election. No one's arguing that. No one runs to the Capitol to break down the doors and hang the traitors.
And yet, you still have to lie about the numbers. Why is it so important to you?
You have half. Half of the country, which is still a tragedy, but you don't have the whole country.
And yes, pasting long articles on a forum, even with "advertisement breaks" is lazy and extremely bad taste. It means you can't even bother to speak your own mind.
On the other hand, I'm surprised you're upset that I called your mind twisted. You're advocating for civil wars, praising Putin and his war against Ukraine, and you're not twisted? What are you then, a conventional conservative?
Come on now.https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/23/world/europe/trump-europe-right-immigration-ukraine.html
Trump Is Leading a Global Surge to the Right.
But not all of the leading conservative populist parties in the world are the same in rhetoric or on policy.
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By Jim TankersleyEmma BubolaAndrew Higgins and Aurelien Breeden.
Reporting from Berlin, Rome, Warsaw and Paris.
Jan. 23,2025.
At the start of his second term President Trump has positioned himself at the crest of a global wave of hard-line conservative populism, offering fuel and inspiration to surging nationalist parties in the European Union and beyond.
Those parties are generally united by tough stances against immigrants, support for what they call "traditional" values in opposition to L. G. be. T. Rights, aversion to climate regulations and pugnacious critiques of establishment politicians and parties.
To varying degrees, some, though not all, have also sought to weaken or undermine existing institutions, such as courts or an independent media, in what critics have called efforts to erode democracy and maintain authoritarian grips on power.
It is a wide spectrum that includes the Alternative for Germany, or AfD, which is trying to broaden its appeal before elections next month but still winks at Nazi slogans; the Brothers of Italy, which grew from post-Fascism but has moderated after it won power; the National Rally, which has more lawmakers than ever in France after a prolonged attempt to soften its image; and the Freedom Party of Austria, which was founded by former Nazi soldiers decades ago and embraced a combative image en route to winning elections last fall.
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But the parties differ from one another, and from Mr. Trump, in critical ways. Rhetorically, Mr. Trump falls at a far end of the spectrum of right-wing politicians and parties that have not been shy about using openly racist or incendiary language to disparage immigrants and political opponents.
In some cases, like his calls to deport millions of undocumented immigrants, Mr. Trump has promised changes that many of his most adoring fans in Europe have stopped well short of.
Giorgia Meloni, for instance, has dialed back many of her more hard-line stances since becoming prime minister of Italy. In some ways, Ms. Meloni has provided a road map for hard-right leaders seeking to win and hold power in Europe: Talk a fiery game, but tack to the center on some issues most notably support for Ukraine.
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Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni of Italy at Mr. Trump's inauguration on Monday. Ms. Meloni has, in some ways, provided a road map for far-right leaders seeking to win and hold power in Europe. Credit. Pool photo by Saul Loeb.
Mr. Trump may be providing a competing one, less apologetic and more emphatic. Experts say even Ms. Meloni, who attended Mr. Trump's inauguration, and right-wing parties in Europe, might be tempted to follow it.
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"The barriers are coming down," said Nathalie Tocci, a leading Italian political scientist.
Here is how the European Union's main conservative populist parties compare with each other, and with Mr. Trump, on key issues:
Divides over Ukraine.
Mr. Trump has vowed to immediately bring an end to the war, though it is unclear how he plans to do so. In Europe, support for Ukraine has divided right-wing parties, with those adopting ambiguous or pro-Russian positions being pushed toward the margins.
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Many of them look to post-Soviet Russia as a bastion of traditional values, but the full-scale invasion of Ukraine has dimmed its allure, at least for some.
"There are differences," between Ms. Meloni's Brothers of Italy party and other forces such as Prime Minister Viktor Orban of Hungary's Fidesz party, said Carlo Fidanza, the head of Ms. Meloni's delegation in the European Parliament. "The main one is Ukraine. ".
Ms. Meloni has positioned herself as a strong backer of Ukraine, along with most of Italy's E. You. Allies. She has said it would be a "mistake" to abandon Ukraine.
In Hungary, however, the Fidesz party is stridently opposed to all military aid for Ukraine and to European sanctions on Russia over the war, which it blames for Hungary's high inflation rate and generally poor economic performance. (Hungary has long depended on relatively cheap Russian energy.).
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Mr. Orban has met with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia twice since the invasion began, presenting himself as a "peacemaker" and denouncing Hungary's E. You. And NATO allies as warmongers.
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A photograph released by the Hungarian government showing Prime Minister Viktor Orban meeting with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia in Moscow in July. Credit. Hungarian Prime Minister's Office.
The war has ruptured previously close ties between Mr. Orban and Poland's right-wing Law and Justice party, or PiS, which was in power in February 2022 when Russia invaded.
But other leaders on the extreme right are closer to Mr. Orban's camp. Herbert Kickl, the man poised to be Austria's next chancellor, and his Freedom Party have built ties to Moscow and criticized European involvement in Ukraine.
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Alice Weidel, the chancellor candidate for the Alternative for Germany, or AfD, which has its strongest support in eastern Germany where affinity for Russia is strong, has accused German leaders of a "very dangerous" escalation of the conflict by supporting Ukraine.
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In France, the National Rally in 2014 took a 9. 4 million euro loan, then worth $12.2 million, from a Russian bank, and Marine LE Pen, the party's longtime leader, once said she "admired" Mr. Putin.
But since Russia's invasion, which the National Rally and its top officials have condemned, the party has sought to reposition itself if only slightly.
The National Rally does not oppose sending Ukraine defensive equipment. But it strenuously objects to providing the Ukrainians with offensive weapons.
It has also repeatedly opposed some of the sanctions on Russian imports especially energy and it has rejected the possibility of Ukraine joining the European Union or NATO.
Some Soften the Talk.
Many of Europe's farthest-right parties share Mr. Trump's abrasive rhetoric, disparaging their enemies and portraying themselves as outsiders and victims.
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Over the years, Ms. Meloni had denounced what she called the ethnic replacement of Italians by immigrants and called for a naval blockade against illegal migrants.
Since taking office, she has toned down her tirades. While Mr. Trump on Monday decried an "invasion" of the United States by immigrants, Ms. Meloni has largely stopped using that word.
Still, she has continued to use polarizing language to portray her party as outsiders and underdogs, and to direct vitriolic attacks on the left, journalists, trade unionists, judges and the billionaire liberal donor George Soros. She has also continued to oppose gay parenthood and the teaching of gender theory in schools.
The National Rally in France has attempted to distance itself from the racist, antisemitic and anti-gay outbursts of its founder, Jean-Marie LE Pen, who died this month. His daughter Marine has attempted to shift the party's focus more toward pocketbook issues as part of a protracted effort to undemonize it.
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The National Rally's leader, Marine LE Pen, leaving after a memorial service for her father, the French far-right figure Jean-Marie LE Pen, in Paris, last week. Credit. Bertrand Guay / Agence France-Presse Getty Images.
The shift has helped the party make strides in elections, even as many experts have characterized it as mere marketing. The party's unrelenting focus on protecting French identity and its eagerness to change the French Constitution to restrict the rights of foreigners still mark it in France as a far-right party, experts say.
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In Germany, where voters will pick a new government in late February, the Alternative for Germany party is attempting to soften its image, too. It has chosen Ms. Weidel a lesbian economist who lives in Switzerland with her Sri Lankan partner and children as its standard-bearer in the race.
She and the party are attempting to appeal to a broader audience, aided in part by the billionaire Elon Musk, who has endorsed the AfD. But they are saying very different things to different audiences.
Parts of the AfD have been formally classified as extremist by the German government. But Ms. Weidel told Mr. Musk in a recent friendly interview that the AfD was "a conservative libertarian party. ".
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Alice Weidel, co-leader of the Alternative for Germany party, before a virtual talk with Elon Musk on his platform X. Credit. Pool photo by Kay Nietfeld.
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Just days later, AfD party members greeted Ms. Weidel with repeated chants of "Alice for Germany," a play on the old Nazi refrain "Everything for Germany," which is now a crime to use in Germany.
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MarquisdeSade1
01-26-25, 06:41
You never heard children telling: I never ask to born? Better no birth than unhappy child and mother, out of stupid puritanism in porn country, with Trump going with porn actress.Do you wish you were aborted? Can I see a show of hands from the pro baby butchering contingent in this thread, how many say yes? How about a partial birth butchering? Which one of you are angry you weren't butchered like that?
Puritanism? How many French politicians have girlfriends?
https://www.france24.com/en/20190926-behind-chirac-s-six-decade-marriage-a-litany-of-affairs
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37621875
How can you be anti sex? And I thought you were the Napoleon of FKKland? How many Romanian hookers have you given your Euros to?
How many thousands? 3000? 4000? 5000? More?
MarquisdeSade1
01-26-25, 06:53
Trump's Pandemic Part 2, dot #3:
State Department freezes new funding for nearly all US aid programs worldwide.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/25/state-department-freezes-new-funding-for-nearly-all-us-aid-programs-worldwide.html?__source=androidappshare
It looks like Trump will be adding a dot or two more than was necessary last time for him to Mass Murder at least 1 Million Americans and millions more around the World.
But, then, this time he seems to be targeting more children than before. Perhaps he just wants to be more certain of the desired results rather than relying on historic "Repub luck" to produce horrific results as he did in his first term.
Of course, that part could very well be a President Musk directive:60 billion USD per year is 600 billion.
Erase that trade deficit and that's $10,600,000,000,000 aka 10.6 trillion USD.
I believe that could improve the quality of life for many Americans in the United States, now multiply that many decades going forward.
And then just imagine how that would affect International mongering LMAO.
DJT is going to MMGA "Make Mongering Great Again".
ALLAHU AKBAR.
Trump jumping monkey fool, Musk might be too much fed with apartheid where he was born. Fortunately, he can t be after Trump who didn t succeed to stop Ukraine war yet, when he claimed after only 1 day.
Do you wish you were aborted? Can I see a show of hands from the pro baby butchering contingent in this thread, how many say yes? How about a partial birth butchering? Which one of you are angry you weren't butchered like that?
Puritanism? How many French politicians have girlfriends?
https://www.france24.com/en/20190926-behind-chirac-s-six-decade-marriage-a-litany-of-affairs
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37621875
How can you be anti sex? And I thought you were the Napoleon of FKKland? How many Romanian hookers have you given your Euros to?
How many thousands? 3000? 4000? 5000? More?From my personal experience, abortion is better than not offering a good life to a child and his or her mother. Even traumatic, but women understand this and they should be free to decide, when Trump doesn't seem to know much about women. I love sex, but I respect women, even when I pay, and I think FKK girls or escorts feel this very fast. So many American women feel not respected by Trump, some even choosing to be operated not to fall pregnant, what a shame for USA.
Elvis 2008
01-26-25, 22:26
A corrupt, unscrupulous politician's social media concoction financed by the Chinese and Russians, the concoction always ridden with multiple violations, the concoction so terrible in thought and execution that it was soaking in obscurity for years until he got to power?I don't recall commenting on the quality of the business. I think the issue was Trump as parasite, and I have never heard anyone else with $6 billion in stock being called a parasite.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_SocialAnd here we go again. You return to your Trump sucks echo chamber to make you feel good.
Hey, while you're at it. Do you know who has way more money than Trump? Putin.And Trump sucks financially compared to Putin? LOL. That is what you got?
To recap, you Trump sucks people banned him from Twitter, and Trump starts his own Twitter and makes $6 billion. Trump is convicted of a crime, goes scot free, and after his conviction, he raises a billion and wins an election.
Then Trump goes to California, and this is fucking hilarious. He lectures the California pols for pushing insurance companies out of the state and wins over the crowd, https://x.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1882968816973701434.
And when a California pol is sucking up to FEMA, Trump takes him out to the woodshed, https://x.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1882967612579066198.
Oh yeah, Trump sucks.
Colombia does not take back its criminals, and Trump hits them with huge tariffs, what do you Dems think about that? Trump sucks.
Biden goes off script and says Putin cannot stay in power. Trump says if he were in office the war would not have happened, and just recently, Putin says the same thing. How do you feel about that? Putin is a liar, Biden is great, and Trump sucks.
Elvis 2008
01-26-25, 23:15
I must say the links of substantiation for so much as a single word of your typical mindless blather that you didn't provide this time are far more impressive than the links of substantiation you usually don't provide.Opinions do not require links. What is your opinion on removing Chinese car tariffs? Your response was you suck Elvis.
How do you feel about the water manager in California being paid $750,000 per year and there being no water? That is mindless blather.
And how about all this money spent in Ukraine and people who have suffered natural disasters in California, Maui, and North Carolina being offered up paltry amounts by our federal government? Putin sucks.
And what about what Joe Rogan and Trump predicted about the fires and even Bill Maher being critical of how California fires were handled? Trump sucks, Rogan sucks, and Bill Maher is a bothsider.
Where he revealed to the entire global business world that the MAGAloons that put him back in office have got to be the biggest dumb suckers in history?
Seems like your handiwork.Yes, the loons are people in Florida who have their homes after a once in a generation hurricane. The same goes with Texas that had a once in a generation snow storm. And in your opinion, the smart people are in California who when hit with fires had no water, no insurance, lesbian firefighters who could not lift an average man, and now are not being allowed to clear the land and rebuild.
The only people who would pick California leadership over Texas and Florida leadership is because they feel California leadership is going to keep giving them money. That is why you are so selfish Loony Tooms.
MarquisdeSade1
01-27-25, 02:35
https://www.breitbart.com/local/2025/01/26/so-badss-support-grows-for-idea-adding-president-trump-mount-rushmore/
60 billion USD per year is 600 billion.
Erase that trade deficit and that's $10,600,000,000,000 aka 10.6 trillion USD.
I believe that could improve the quality of life for many Americans in the United States, now multiply that many decades going forward.
And then just imagine how that would affect International mongering LMAO.
DJT is going to MMGA "Make Mongering Great Again".
ALLAHU AKBAR.First of all, nothing has changed mongering for the WORSE than the day Trump defunded and removed the Pandemic Prevention team leadership from those Chinese labs in 2019 contrary to all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid, exactly the kind of moves he he pulling again today, thereby creating Trump's Pandemic and then promptly lying about it, mocking the known mitigation measures, dismissing the need to invent much less take a vaccine for it and thereby exacerbating his initial colossal blunder for the following critical year 2020.
That is when Trump's International Business and School Closures over the next 2-3 years taught the better lookers among the idle province girls that there are millions of pathetic lonely-hearts out there in Internet-land eager to send them money for nothing to surpass any amount they or their sisters could ever earn ir would ever need to earn by actually spending time alone with a dude in a room, fucking or sucking his dick.
YOUR vote did that.
Hey, I hear you're a big fan of mongering in Colombia.
Guess what. Now your boy and your vote is working on launching into a trade war and, knowing Trump's love for American Combat Wars at Home and Abroad, very possibly into an actual War with that mongering destination.
Are you happy about that?
Trump imposes tariffs, sanctions on Colombia after it blocks deportation flights.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/26/colombia-turns-away-military-deportation-flights-from-us-officials-say.html?__source=androidappshare
Trumps punitive action appeared aimed at making an example of Colombia, the second case of a Latin American nation refusing U.S. military deportation flights. It was a demonstration of a more muscular U.S. foreign policy and showed a renewed willingness by Trump to force other countries to bend to his will.
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Colombias Petro condemned the practice on Sunday, suggesting it treated migrants like criminals. In a post on social media platform X, Petro said Colombia would welcome home deported migrants on civilian planes.
The U.S. cannot treat Colombian migrants as criminals, Petro wrote.
Petro said even though there were 15,660 Americans without legal immigration status in Colombia, he would never carry out a raid to return handcuffed Americans to the U.S.
We are the opposite of the Nazis, he wrote.
Mexico also refused a request last week to let a U.S. military aircraft land with migrants.Of course, nothing is more welcoming to International mongerers than for ALL of us to be labeled and identified as NAZIS in goose-step with the biggest Warmongering so-called potus, Trump, at home and abroad than any president in USA history, right? LOL. No better way to ensure the only hookers who didn't learn the Trump's Pandemic World Internet Game Of Getting Money For No Penile Contact, the dumb, old and ugly ones, to be inspired to fuck and suck with gusto, right? LOL.
International mongerers from USA even you if not especially you, would be well-advised to start telling everyone you meet in your travels that you are Canadian and never stepped foot in the USA. That is, if you want to squeeze out at least some value in paying the dumb, old and ugly Trump's Pandemic Left-Over Hookers for crap sex.
Again, thank you for your vote.
Cocr Brotheler
01-27-25, 06:24
Having been in the USA Military (voluntarily) I have traveled on military aircraft and although not perfect comfort gets the job done. I bet not reported however was that the illegal criminal migrants received water and a box lunch which is A Ok per the Geneva convention.
You think criminals being legally deported back to their countries of origin even flying on a military plane with their own seat, water and a box lunch is maltreatment? WTF?
When I turn 60 being a fully retired reservist I have the privilege of traveling on military aircraft space A just like the illegal criminal migrants. I should have a seat to myself even if in the cargo hold, water and a box lunch.
Enough said I'm truly disgusted about this story.
Having been in the USA Military (voluntarily) I have traveled on military aircraft and although not perfect comfort gets the job done. I bet not reported however was that the illegal criminal migrants received water and a box lunch which is A Ok per the Geneva convention.
You think criminals being legally deported back to their countries of origin even flying on a military plane with their own seat, water and a box lunch is maltreatment? WTF?
When I turn 60 being a fully retired reservist I have the privilege of traveling on military aircraft space A just like the illegal criminal migrants. I should have a seat to myself even if in the cargo hold, water and a box lunch.
Enough said I'm truly disgusted about this story.How did these criminals get into US? First class in Emirates funded by the local government? Wonder how Colombia treats its criminals in their jails.
MarquisdeSade1
01-27-25, 19:23
First of all, nothing has changed mongering for the WORSE than the day Trump defunded and removed the Pandemic Prevention team leadership from those Chinese labs in 2019 contrary to all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid, exactly the kind of moves he he pulling again today, thereby creating Trump's Pandemic and then promptly lying about it, mocking the known mitigation measures, dismissing the need to invent much less take a vaccine for it and thereby exacerbating his initial colossal blunder for the following critical year 2020.
That is when Trump's International Business and School Closures over the next 2-3 years taught the better lookers among the idle province girls that there are millions of pathetic lonely-hearts out there in Internet-land eager to send them money for nothing to surpass any amount they or their sisters could ever earn ir would ever need to earn by actually spending time alone with a dude in a room, fucking or sucking his dick.
YOUR vote did that.
Hey, I hear you're a big fan of mongering in Colombia.
Guess what. Now your boy and your vote is working on launching into a trade war and, knowing Trump's love for American Combat Wars at Home and Abroad, very possibly into an actual War with that mongering destination..Certain mongers from your part of the planet have destroyed mongering everywhere they go South America Central America Canada USA FKKs there have been nights I see them outnumber everyone else in the best strip clubs in Moscow, they are a cancer on this hobby just look at Angeles City or Pattaya, I walked past a FKK near my hotel one day that opens at 11 am and there was a long line of them at 10 am.
WOWWW WTF a truly invasive species, you can thank Bubba for putting the CCP into the WTO, along with he and the Scumbag Barry fighting for TPP.
You have even told me there is a certain (undesirable to most) demo flooding the streets of Soi 4 in BKK? I've seen it in Pattaya.
Thanks for your vote Dum Dum!
Who says they are criminals? Trump?
My understanding is they are illegals labeled as "criminals" by the biggest criminal of all Trump.
How did these criminals get into US? First class in Emirates funded by the local government? Wonder how Colombia treats its criminals in their jails.
I read the history of some of the deportees. They would not be my first choice in neighbors. Some other deportees had no criminal history other than entering the US illegally or overstaying a visa. I notice the local newspaper that was referring to the deportees yesterday as "compatriots" (connacionales) is now referring to them as undocumented migrants (indocumentados). I beleive this is because it became known that Petro had agreed to the flights before changing his mind.
Who says they are criminals? Trump? Really.
Explorer8939
01-27-25, 20:58
Let's not talk about politics here. The little controversy between Trump and Colombia is over, and my trip to Medellin next week is still on.
Who says they are criminals? Trump?
My understanding is they are illegals labeled as "criminals" by the biggest criminal of all Trump.The answer is in your very own words. That which is "illegal" is a "crime". Thus "illegals" are "criminals" in violation of the immigration (and maybe other) laws of the United States of America. What part of "illegal" do you not get?
Who says they are criminals? Trump?
My understanding is they are illegals labeled as "criminals" by the biggest criminal of all Trump.The literal definition of "criminal" is someone who does something "illegal".
If someone enters the US illegally (or overstays his or her visa, or doesn't show up for his or her asylum court hearing). Then they are in the country illegally and by definition are criminals.
Try entering Venezuela illegally or disrespecting their laws and see what happens, buddy!
Trump is doing exactly what we wanted him to do and that is why we voted for him.
Gabacho.
Certain mongers from your part of the planet have destroyed mongering everywhere they go South America Central America Canada USA FKKs there have been nights I see them outnumber everyone else in the best strip clubs in Moscow, they are a cancer on this hobby just look at Angeles City or Pattaya, I walked past a FKK near my hotel one day that opens at 11 am and there was a long line of them at 10 am.
WOWWW WTF a truly invasive species, you can thank Bubba for putting the CCP into the WTO, along with he and the Scumbag Barry fighting for TPP.
You have even told me there is a certain (undesirable to most) demo flooding the streets of Soi 4 in BKK? I've seen it in Pattaya.
Thanks for your vote Dum Dum!Those and mongers from everywhere were already coming to my part of the planet long before Trump created Trump's Pandemic Part 1 and they did not change it for the worst as I described.
What we have now is Post-Covid / Trump's Pandemic Part 1 international mongering in my part of the planet. Thanks to your boy. Thanks to your vote.
And it is most definitely not as good by any measure as it was before your boy and your vote.
Never fear. By all indications your boy and your third vote for him appears to be enabling him to repeat the same conditions he set up to create Trump's Pandemic Part 1 but this time with some added features that will make Trump's Pandemic Part 2 a particularly virulent anti-sex historic and long lasting horrific event.
Thank you for your vote.
Is there anything bumbling fumbling Trump won't do to strengthen trade relations between our trade allies and China? LOL.
US, Colombia reach deal on deportations; tariff, sanctions put on hold.
Jan. 27, 2025
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/colombias-petro-will-not-allow-us-planes-return-migrants-2025-01-26/
"The government of Colombia ... has the presidential plane ready to facilitate the return of Colombians who were going to arrive in the country this morning on deportation flights."
The statement did not specifically say that the agreement included military flights, but it did not contradict the White House announcement.Amid all the chest-beating and howling at the moon over the false claim that Trump throwing a sit on the floor cry-baby tantrum to get his way "won" anything for any American tax-payer, I see that part above is never or rarely mentioned by the Repubs' typical breathless supporters in Mainstream Media.
To recap:
Trump gets publicly spanked by Colombia of all places and wins the distinction of them putting the "We are not Nazis" meme for him and America into the World Leader lexicon and buzz.
Colombia, Mexico, Canada and godknowswhoelse turned back Trump's showy and silly military plane stunt, causing Trump to no doubt waste millions of American tax-dollars more on the whipped puppy turnaround and repeat flights. Super punked.
Colombia gets to look and sound like the reasonable adult on the planet compared to cry-baby Trump.
The price of coffee, bananas, flowers, etc will likely STILL go higher for the American Consumer simply due to Trump's now even greater determination to blather on and on with his Trump Tariffs threats even if he NEVER actually imposes a tariff on Colombian goods.
All of our trade partners and allies are now taking a harder look at simply dispensing with this cry-baby tanTrump foolishness and might as well start shifting more of their trade to and with China. No surprise to anyone, of course.
The end result is Trump accomplished exactly zero more than what Biden was already doing in transporting illegal immigrant criminals back to their country by commercial air except in Trump's case it cost the American tax-payer much more and Biden was never bamboozled by Colombia, Mexico, Canada or anyone else into trotting around Cape Stupid, waving his arms and demanding "Hey, everybody, look at me trotting around Cape Stupid" first.
Trump's Pandemic Part 2, dot #4:
RFK Jr. skipped meeting where officials planned fight against future pandemic.
Jan. 23, 2025
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2025/jan/24/rfk-jr-skipped-meeting-where-officials-planned-fig/
As White House officials packed up last week and their Trump counterparts prepared to move in, dozens of senior leaders in both administrations trundled into the neighboring Eisenhower Executive Office Building to game out how the new government would respond to an emergency, such as a new pandemic.
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But a top official was notably absent: Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Trumps pick to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, the pivotal agency when a pandemic strikes.
"The one guy who shouldve been there wasnt there, said one attendee, who, like several others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a private session led by the National Security Council. Most of those attendees said they were mystified by Kennedys absence and wondered where he was.
Kennedy was two miles away, on Capitol Hill, seeking to sway senators skeptical of his candidacy to serve as the nations top health official, according to three people with knowledge of his schedule that day. Rather than convince lawmakers of his own readiness to face an emergency, Kennedy left some of them deeply rattled by sharing debunked theories about vaccines and making other questionable assertions, the people said.We can only assume he would just spend the first critical year of any Trump's Pandemic Part 2 assuring the world that "we have it under control, it is disappearing, it will go away without a vaccine" until perhaps 2 million Americans die from it, worldwide economies and supply-chains collapse again, triggering even higher inflation than Trump produced with Trump's Pandemic Part 1.
The next Dem President is going to have a huge mess to clean up.
Elvis 2008
01-28-25, 00:45
First of all, nothing has changed mongering for the WORSE than the day Trump defunded and removed the Pandemic Prevention team leadership from those Chinese labs in 2019 contrary to all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid.LOL. Oh, that bullshit again? https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/gigantic-rats-nest-taiabi-hints-fbi-communications-covid-scientist-will-be-exposed.
There were key people like Peter Daszak from the EcoHealth Alliance, who just didn't answer subpoenas, right? There are documents that we know exist that we're going to get now with FBI communications between the bureau and a lot of these scientists dating back ten years. And it's going to tell a crazy story, a really interesting story. There's a reason why Fauci's pardon is backdated to 2014, because that's the time period they are going to have to start looking, which is, when did we start defying the ban on gain of function research. We clearly did. That's pretty established at this point.
And 2014 is when Dems started up all their bullshit in Ukraine. That is the same year as when Hunter was pardoned from. Maybe that is why Putin really invaded Ukraine, all those supposedly nonexistant biolabs. 2014 is the year the deep state really started going nuts.
Guess what. Now your boy and your vote is working on launching into a trade war and, knowing Trump's love for American Combat Wars at Home and Abroad, very possibly into an actual War with that mongering destination.Leave it to you to not have a clue what happened with Colombia. The first time socialist president Petro tried to make a human rights issue with Colombians who illegally entered the USA. The idiot penned a letter calling Trump a slave owner and wanting the destruction of humanity, and was literally goading Trump into war and saying Colombia would win. That is something very appealing to a Democratic douche like yourself. Aren't you totally in lock step with what this moronic president wrote Loony Tooms? Don't you think Colombia could win a war with Trump as Commander in Chief?
So Trump hit Colombia with 25% tariffs and banned the travel visas of those in government and was going to freeze the bank accounts of Colombians in power and their family members. And you know what happened Tooms? This guy Petro sent his OWN fucking jet to pick up the Colombians saving us the expense of flying them back.
So yeah, there was a trade war with Colombia, and it was over in 10 hours. He mouthed off against Trump, and Trump kicked Petro's fucking teeth in. Trump had the orders drawn up and any time he feels like he can sign them. That is how you govern. That is how you handle idiots.
Mr Enternational
01-28-25, 02:01
Who says they are criminals? Trump?
My understanding is they are illegals labeled as "criminals" by the biggest criminal of all Trump.LOL. What do you think illegal means? That is like saying my understanding is they are cars labeled as automobiles.
https://youtu.be/fmbZwxEnAFc
Hacky and crappy quotes, from TV fictional characters a side, I didn't peg you for one to bury your head in the sand on clean energy solutions like the hugely successful, Energy Efficient Home Improvement tax credits for American Homeowners?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neB3IZHcChI
But your wrong headed position, related to EV tax credits, is very much in line with many misconceptions sounding EVs, as if legacy ICE manufacturers and fossil fuel industry have never had gov't subsides and taxes of their own, is as laughable as your Billy Bob, crappy fossil fuel industry TV-show propaganda, pining about bygone days of oil.
Meanwhile, as China smiles and laughs at the idiot in the WH, who continually condemns America to a "drill baby drill" ONLY energy policy, while they surge ahead with terawatt installations of cheaper renewables every month, that replace coal, oil, gas and even outpace nuclear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwsAf0do-yo
Who says they are criminals? Trump?
My understanding is they are illegals labeled as "criminals" by ... Trump.Illegal entry.
Section 1325 of the USA Code criminalizes entering the United States without permission.
Illegal reentry.
Section 1326 of the USA Code criminalizes reentering the United States without permission.
Penalty.
The penalty for illegal entry or reentry can include a fine of up to $2,000, up to 6 months in prison, or both.
Bringing in an alien.
Section 1324 (a)(1)(A)(I) of the USA Code criminalizes bringing an alien into the United States at a place other than a designated port of entry.
Harboring an alien.
Section 1324 (ii) of the USA Code criminalizes harboring an alien who has entered the United States illegally.
Shouldn't Colombia then send back US "illegals" living in Colombia back to the USA? It is estimated that there are over 15 K living in Colombia with either expired visas or no visas at all.
I guess you are perfectly fine treating them as criminals and placing them in handcuffs and boarding them on a Colombian military plane back to the USA?
LOL. What do you think illegal means? That is like saying my understanding is they are cars labeled as automobiles.
I am sure you don't have an issue with treating the estimated 15 K Americans living in Colombia illegally as prisoners of severe crimes? Let's handcuff all the Americans with expired or no visas and board them on a military plane back to the USA. Call them 'criminals" and make a public show out of it. I wonder who would do that?
The literal definition of "criminal" is someone who does something "illegal".
If someone enters the US illegally (or overstays his or her visa, or doesn't show up for his or her asylum court hearing). Then they are in the country illegally and by definition are criminals.
Try entering Venezuela illegally or disrespecting their laws and see what happens, buddy!
Trump is doing exactly what we wanted him to do and that is why we voted for him.
Gabacho.
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