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ShooBree
01-24-21, 23:34
Please reconsider. The former president did a lot of wrong that day and before. He encouraged police violence. Roughing up detainees. "Proud boys stand back and stand by". Do you really think those messenges are not received? Bill Clinton was harrassed. Special prosecutor. Became a sex drive case. Obama was harrassed. They kept their discipline. But that can never justify what Trump said and what resulted directly from his actions. It is quite unique in the 2. 5 centuries the US exists. No congressperson is in Antifa. No congressperson is for BLM violence. Of course those groups had an effect. Stop grouping like "the liberals". A lot of bad comes from the violent left. But that does not justify by any means what the former president did. And he will pay dearly for it. And you should move on an identify a Republican whose views you share and who does not carry that awful awful baggage.Nope, you're completely wrong. Probably brainwashed by the liberal media and unable to think for yourself.

Things don't happen in a vacuum. Radicals inspires radicals. A summer of far left violence will inspire and encourage the far right to act. But most importantly, adults needs to take responsibility for their own actions. Trump didn't storm the Capitol, neither did he explicitly tell anyone to storm the Capitol. This is all just a ridiculous witch-hunt. What happened with free speech? Trump can be proud, he did nothing wrong and the biggest losers in all of this will be the American people. 2021 might go to history as the year when USA threw free speech out the window.

I'm still waiting for the day when the liberal politicians will take responsibility for their own actions. They started the conspiracy theories and ridiculed US elections by claiming that Russia stole the election and Trump was a "illegitimate" president. The liberals opened the door for the idea that US elections can be rigged.

It's sad to see how some people are so incredibly brainwashed by the liberal media.

Beijing4987
01-25-21, 00:10
Impeachment is the only line of defense (well, maybe the 25th amendment, also) against an unfit president. For an unprecedented time, this happened twice to DJT. There is no taking it back. The one article of impeachment for inciting insurrection will be delivered to the US Senate. A TRIAL is scheduled to begin on February 9th. Impeachment managers will unfold a multimedia extravaganza, with " a huge trove of video and photos depicting the event" lest senators get bored like impeachment 1. 0. The main video features DJT himself inciting the attack with snarling glee, promising to, but neglecting to lead the way. The trial is unlikely to succeed in a conviction, and Republicans daring to vote for conviction will face the consequences. Don't touch that dial: the Biden administration, boring. No drama. Except for 38 US Capitol Police testing positive for Covid 19 after the Capitol Riot on January 6th.

Detwing1
01-25-21, 01:06
So you actually believe that Biden wants to unite the nation? LMFAO!

In a way it's actually true, he wants to unite the nation but without having to compromise on a single issue. Joe Biden is the most radical left wing president USA ever seen.In my experience, before arguing with someone, its best to ask yourself if that person is mentally capable to grasp the concept of a different perspective, or, in this case, actual facts. If not, there is absolutely no point in arguing.

Canada
01-25-21, 01:24
In my experience, before arguing with someone, its best to ask yourself if that person is mentally capable to grasp the concept of a different perspective, or, in this case, actual facts. If not, there is absolutely no point in arguing.I agree with you. There are obviously several mentally incompetent democrat (socialists) here. We should not take them seriously and arguing with mentally incompetent individuals is doing none of us any good.

Spidy
01-25-21, 01:58
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/10/arnold-schwarzenegger-trump-remembered-worst-presi/

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/12/28/2004500/-Trump-Is-The-Worst-President-Of-All-Time

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/politics/trump-presidency-history-analysis/index.html


"Agent Orange", worst president in history. Even the, Republican Ex-Govenor "The Terminator", Arnold Schwarzenegger: Trump 'will go down in history as the worst president ever'. Well at least he got that right.

"Agent Orange", will be facing lawsuits from women accusing him of sexual misconduct, including rape; criminal investigations by both state and federal prosecutors in New York; a Senate impeachment trial that could bar him from holding federal office again; and potentially both civil and criminal exposure for his weekslong efforts to spark chaos at the USA Capitol in order to prevent Biden from being certified as the winner of the 2020 election. The ONLY US president to be impeached twice. What a legacy of FAILURES!

"Agent Orange", makes Al Gore, looks like a choir boy.

But according to "The Terminator", "Agent Orange", WON'T BE BACK....kkkkkkkkkk!

Spidy
01-25-21, 02:02
In my experience, before arguing with someone, its best to ask yourself if that person is mentally capable to grasp the concept of a different perspective, or, in this case, actual facts. If not, there is absolutely no point in arguing.Dude, don't sweat it!

SB, is after all the arch "chief-agent-agent provocateur".

Providing he behaves him and doesn't act like a petulant child, let him continue denying the truth.

It is his truths, as he sees it.

You may just have to hit the "ignore button" on him. Or me, for that matter...Kkk!

GeneHickman
01-25-21, 02:16
Biden has no say in the impeachment process so he cannot call it off. Trump would be better off pleading guilty as it would give Biden the opportunity to offer him a pardon for Federal offences. Trump is going to be sued civilly and criminally for a wide range of offences so there is not going to be a quick end to this.

Trump failed in pretty much everything he has done. His China trade war and his global trade policies have had no impact in increased manufacturing in the US its just been shuffled to other third world countries. The current account deficit is still expanding. Trump had a golden opportunity to shrink US military expenditures and shrink the military but failed to do so.You views clearly are not grounded in objectivity. You can dislike trump while acknowledging that his policies had a positive impact.

GeneHickman
01-25-21, 02:18
Exactly. No matter the controversies, most Presidents eventually garner a respectable level of bipartisan adoration in hindsight; the pros and cons of Trump's presidency will just not measure up for that to happen. The January 6th event is the final nail in the coffin to hammer that fact legacy, although I think the legacy was probably already cemented.

His Presidency has pushed away a generation of future conservatives. As a conservative-leaner myself, the decision of so many of my peers to support this man despite logically understanding and seeing how he has bastardized the conservative brand and waged cultural warfare worse than anything that modern Democrats have done has made me question if rational conservatism is dead. While I know many conservative voters who publicly rebuke this man, most end up still casting a vote for him because they fear that the alternative is worse. I luke warmly disagree.So voting liberal is the solution? Geez.

Spidy
01-25-21, 03:21
"Experts in homegrown extremism have warned for years about efforts by far-right militants and white-supremacist groups to radicalize and recruit people with military and law enforcement training, and they say the Jan. 6 insurrection that left five people dead saw some of their worst fears realized."

https://apnews.com/article/ex-military-cops-us-capitol-riot-a1cb17201dfddc98291edead5badc257

With the FBI, doing a deep dive, no doubt more evidence will come to light, with regards to the Jan. 6 insurrection, being a pre-meditated and coordinated plan of attack, on the Capitol.

The herrings will bring to light and uncover how "Agent Orange", maybe involved.

Detwing1
01-25-21, 03:38
Dude, don't sweat it!

SB, is after all the arch "chief-agent-agent provocateur".

Providing he behaves him and doesn't act like a petulant child, let him continue denying the truth.

It is his truths, as he sees it.

You may just have to hit the "ignore button" on him. Or me, for that matter...Kkk!Didn't sweat it for a second.

It is what it is.

ScatManDoo
01-25-21, 03:41
So voting liberal is the solution? Always has been Gene.

Don't let Trump steal your future votes.

GDreams
01-25-21, 03:58
You views clearly are not grounded in objectivity. You can dislike trump while acknowledging that his policies had a positive impact.Exactly what policies had a positive impact?

His great gains in unemployment were at the cost of adding $500 b to the annual deficit. Even then he only achieved one year of +3% GDP growth. The rest of the time it has been low 2's or less which Trump said of Obama achieving similar the Obama was a failure even though he shronk the deficit by 600 b a year rather than expand it. So by Trumps own criteria he failed.

Current account deficit grew significantly under Trump because of his nonsense trade wars. Fail.

Environmental policy. Fail.

Health policy. Fail.

Foreign policy. Fail.

Domestic policy. Fail. People are more partisan and divided than ever.

Immigration. I would call it a fail but others would disagree. The reality is the border wall he wanted he could of had but would not accept DACA so instead most construction has gone on replacing existing barriers. Pretty much a waste of time anyway as most illegals are visa overstays and smuggling is done through the border crossings. Much of the rest is debatable. It is more about the processes employed than the outcomes.

As Trump was incapable of working with democrats most of what he did was by executive orders. Most of these will be over-ridden by Biden in the next month.

So basically 4 years of manbaby tantrums to achieve no lasting benefit.

EihTooms
01-25-21, 04:56
What is really obvious is you only condone violence from the right. Biden is doing nothing to stop the left BLM and Antifa from destroying property, looting and physical violence. Does this mean Biden should be impeached because he is allowing it? Are you liberals proud of yourself for your beliefs that defunding the police, open borders, abolish ice, transgender men or women in children bathrooms. Is this really the values of Americans who care for their country? Who care to keep children safe? Do you really believe that we should allow millions of people to come into our country and take jobs away from our citizens? Our kids? Our friends? Why do you hate the American way of life? Do you really think your parents would be proud of your thinking? Do you really believe that your parents and grandparents were all racist and their history should be abolished? Why are you still living in such a horrible country that needs all these changes. Do you really believe that this will make America better? If you are proud of this it pretty much sums up who you are.I support and vote for Dems and never for Repubs because Repub policies, legislation and stewardship have plunged the USA Into every major economic downturn, massive job losses, Crash, Depression and Great Recession of the past 100 years, including the current one, and taken us into none of great recoveries, economic expansions and historic job gains.

By stark contrast, Dem policies, legislation and stewardship have lead the USA Into the exact opposite of the above disastrous, typical Repub results for the past 100 years.

This is no wild coincidence, bizarre anti-Repub economic "cycle", bad luck for Repubs or witch's curse. It is what Repub pols do for a living. It is the only thing they can do. It is the only thing they want to do. And they will always identify and embrace a new and unprecedented way of accomplishing it whenever the American electorate is foolish and careless enough to give them the opportunity.

The Social Issues they exploit to get you riled up about (transgender toilets?) is just a means to sucker you into supporting and voting for their horrific economic outcomes over and over again in blitheringly dutiful service to combating "evil libs" when no sane, clear thinking person would otherwise.

Detwing1
01-25-21, 05:42
I support and vote for Dems and never for Repubs because Repub policies, legislation and stewardship have plunged the USA Into every major economic downturn, massive job losses, Crash, Depression and Great Recession of the past 100 years, including the current one, and taken us into none of great recoveries, economic expansions and historic job gains.

By stark contrast, Dem policies, legislation and stewardship have lead the USA Into the exact opposite of the above disastrous, typical Repub results for the past 100 years.

This is no wild coincidence, bizarre anti-Repub economic "cycle", bad luck for Repubs or witch's curse. It is what Repub pols do for a living. It is the only thing they can do. It is the only thing they want to do. And they will always identify and embrace a new and unprecedented way of accomplishing it whenever the American electorate is foolish and careless enough to give them the opportunity.

The Social Issues they exploit to get you riled up about (transgender toilets?) is just a means to sucker you into supporting and voting for their horrific economic outcomes over and over again in blitheringly dutiful service to combating "evil libs" when no sane, clear thinking person would otherwise.If the republicans didn't use dog whistles, such as transgender bathrooms, socialism, etc, etc, they wouldn't get elected. It's the only way they can get enough people to vote against their own best interest.

ShooBree
01-25-21, 07:05
If the republicans didn't use dog whistles, such as transgender bathrooms, socialism, etc, etc, they wouldn't get elected. It's the only way they can get enough people to vote against their own best interest.Haha, here you are with your tinfoil hat, it's almost as you never heard of COVID-19. But sure, let's blame the republicans for the coronavirus.

I'm sure that the Republicans are aware that they have nothing to gain from more immigration and affirmative action.

PVMonger
01-25-21, 15:22
I understand that you as a leftist wants to ignore the obvious. The liberal politicians are egging them on by repeating their narrative. Just look at the Democrats; Camel Harris basically accused Biden of being a racist and AOC did the same against the lizard woman in the senate.

Please tell me, is the Democratic Party:

A. Full of racists.

Or.

B. Social justice warriors playing the race card against their own colleagues?So what? Your typically inane response has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with your original statement that Democrats Encouraged BLM to riot and destroy things.

Show me evidence. Show me the same type of evidence against the Democrats that they are using against Trump.

I'll wait.

Mursenary
01-25-21, 15:25
I support and vote for Dems and never for Repubs because Repub policies, legislation and stewardship have plunged the USA Into every major economic downturn, massive job losses, Crash, Depression and Great Recession of the past 100 years, including the current one, and taken us into none of great recoveries, economic expansions and historic job gains.

By stark contrast, Dem policies, legislation and stewardship have lead the USA Into the exact opposite of the above disastrous, typical Repub results for the past 100 years.

This is no wild coincidence, bizarre anti-Repub economic "cycle", bad luck for Repubs or witch's curse. It is what Repub pols do for a living. It is the only thing they can do. It is the only thing they want to do. And they will always identify and embrace a new and unprecedented way of accomplishing it whenever the American electorate is foolish and careless enough to give them the opportunity.

The Social Issues they exploit to get you riled up about (transgender toilets?) is just a means to sucker you into supporting and voting for their horrific economic outcomes over and over again in blitheringly dutiful service to combating "evil libs" when no sane, clear thinking person would otherwise.That's a very overly simple claim to say republicans have been responsible for all if even the most number of economic downturns. Most of economic situations during a sitting president's tenure are the result of the previous administration or optimism for the next administration.

While Trump took credit for the "economic boom" during his presidency, was it due to his policies? Mostly No, he merely took credit for the decent work of the Obama policies. They weren't perfect, but even a conservative policy leaner such as myself can admit that Obama generally did a fine job supporting the industries that were essential for American prosperity.

The stock market went bonkers during the last 3 months of the Trump presidency. I personally saw a 60% jump in my portfolio. Did Trump do anything that led to that? I think not. In fact, the crazy rally correlated with optimism for a future Biden administration.

Look at the 2008 economic downturn. What was the main reason for that recession? Deregulation of banking policies that led to irresponsible lending of mortgages. What policy allowed for that? The "repeal" of the Glass-Steagall Act that eventually led to commercial banks being allowed to dip into investment banking and insurance. Which president allowed for that to happen? Bill Clinton in 1999.

Reagan's superfluous spending and warmongering in key oil regions led to the early 90's recessions.

What caused the early 80's double dip recession? The ridiculously high inflation caused during the Carter administration.

The cycle goes on and on as you trace back economic trends throughout the 20th century.

But here's the reality, most of the 20th century economic crises were due to either world events that caused oil price shocks and various policies by the Federal Reserve, an institution more or less independent of the sitting President.

Point is, blaming or crediting political parties for economic success and failures for events during their tenure is both rudimentary and inaccurate.

Mursenary
01-25-21, 15:58
So voting liberal is the solution? Geez.It's not ideal but sometimes the choice is the lesser of 2 evils. While I generally support conservative policies, logistics matter and the Trump administration did a poor job of execution and follow through. Most of his best policies were ones any Republican president would have supported. But good ideas are worthless with poor execution.

On the flip, his worst policies are really, really bad and at best, short sighted (fossil fuels over renewable energy). He's too impulsive and only sees what's immediately in front of him, incapable of controlling primal instincts to strategically think 2 steps ahead. His international policies alienated every major powerful ally and one more term would have guaranteed that America would be left on an island with only 2nd rate economic allies that just relied on American exploitation of weak nations. Look at the band of misfit nations that remained allied with us. Turkey? Brasil? A bunch of South American nations? We only retained them because they had few other options. Meanwhile, China controls the Pacific, owns African infrastructure, and are diligently making headway in our own backyard propping up failing South American nations.

It's not 1960 anymore where America was the sole capitalist superpower. America now needs the world more than the world needs America. Europe knows this and is working to free themselves of American influence directly due to Trump's erratic and predictably unpredictable policies.

Don't let the disgusting odor of liberal identity politics cloud your judgement. A thriving America geared towards growth needs a healthy blend of self reliance, making use of our own natural resources, and free market innovation while strategically deploying social / socialist policies and embracing some the the inevitable trend towards globalism. We can't just isolate ourselves and exploit weaker nations. We have to play the game or else see our rivals unite and leave us behind.

Can't win the game if you don't play the game.

Mursenary
01-25-21, 16:08
Please reconsider. The former president did a lot of wrong that day and before. He encouraged police violence. Roughing up detainees. "Proud boys stand back and stand by". Do you really think those messenges are not received? Bill Clinton was harrassed. Special prosecutor. Became a sex drive case. Obama was harrassed. They kept their discipline. But that can never justify what Trump said and what resulted directly from his actions. It is quite unique in the 2. 5 centuries the US exists. No congressperson is in Antifa. No congressperson is for BLM violence. Of course those groups had an effect. Stop grouping like "the liberals". A lot of bad comes from the violent left. But that does not justify by any means what the former president did. And he will pay dearly for it. And you should move on an identify a Republican whose views you share and who does not carry that awful awful baggage.I like your views. It's sad that when someone like yourself is able stick to your beliefs but able to objectively see the positive characteristics of the other side, only to be criticized because you didn't buy in and drink the entirely gallon of orange Kool Aid. If only the general public, those who identify as liberal and also those identifying as conservative, can objectively parse the pro's and cons of their own ideologies. You would think that a sex mongering forum would have more people who can think and act outside of their pack mentalities.

Mursenary
01-25-21, 16:26
If the republicans didn't use dog whistles, such as transgender bathrooms, socialism, etc, etc, they wouldn't get elected. It's the only way they can get enough people to vote against their own best interest.Likewise if Democrats didn't pander so much to identity politics themselves, they wouldn't alienate the cultural majority who see themselves as having the most to lose. Democrats would easily and consistently win the majority of federal offices for the next 2 decades if they would just put down the emotional politics themselves and just govern with sound policy. US Government does too much social engineering, at least with respect to the marketing of their platforms.

If the Bernie / AOC wing itself would say a couple positive things about capitalist policies, you know the economic system that led to the wealthiest society in history, perhaps they wouldn't scare off so many people who are actually benefiting from the current system.

More figures like John Kasich, Andrew Yang, or Tulsi Gabbard are much needed right now. I would even take a Mitt Romney / Paul Ryan ticket circa 2012 in 2024. Joe can't possibly serve 2 terms and to hell with Kamala Harris.

Spidy
01-25-21, 17:47
So voting liberal is the solution? Geez.In a two party system, this comment is laughable. But you, could simply exercise your RIGHT NOT TO VOTE.

Hey, vote liberal, vote for the Democrats, if you think it's the LESSER of TWO EVILS. You don't have to agree will all their politics. Geez!

Beijing4987
01-25-21, 18:26
Please check out the many critiques of USA politics and "culture" by George Carlin who transformed himself into quite a seer.

He talks about how beautiful america was when the colonist invaders arrived and trashed it, creating a mini mall inside a mega mall, which suits many just fine. "We hold these truths self evident. ".

ShooBree
01-25-21, 19:57
So what? Your typically inane response has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with your original statement that Democrats Encouraged BLM to riot and destroy things.

Show me evidence. Show me the same type of evidence against the Democrats that they are using against Trump.

I'll wait.I'm still waiting for you to answer the question I asked you. Seems like you don't want to answer it since it would expose what a joke the Democratic Party truly is.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/08/10-times-democrats-urged-violence-against-trump-and-his-supporters/

Also, many, many liberal politicians suggested that Trump was not a legitimate president and that Russia stole the election. That's nothing short of an encouragement of violence according to the very same people today.

ShooBree
01-25-21, 19:58
In a two party system, this comment is laughable. But you, could simply exercise your RIGHT NOT TO VOTE.

Hey, vote liberal, vote for the Democrats, if you think it's the LESSER of TWO EVILS. You don't have to agree will all their politics. Geez!A liberal wanting people to vote for the Dems or not vote at all. What a shocker!

EihTooms
01-25-21, 20:05
That's a very overly simple claim to say republicans have been responsible for all if even the most number of economic downturns. Most of economic situations during a sitting president's tenure are the result of the previous administration or optimism for the next administration.

While Trump took credit for the "economic boom" during his presidency, was it due to his policies? Mostly No, he merely took credit for the decent work of the Obama policies. They weren't perfect, but even a conservative policy leaner such as myself can admit that Obama generally did a fine job supporting the industries that were essential for American prosperity.

The stock market went bonkers during the last 3 months of the Trump presidency. I personally saw a 60% jump in my portfolio. Did Trump do anything that led to that? I think not. In fact, the crazy rally correlated with optimism for a future Biden administration.

Look at the 2008 economic downturn. What was the main reason for that recession? Deregulation of banking policies that led to irresponsible lending of mortgages. What policy allowed for that? The "repeal" of the Glass-Steagall Act that eventually led to commercial banks being allowed to dip into investment banking and insurance. Which president allowed for that to happen? Bill Clinton in 1999.

Reagan's superfluous spending and warmongering in key oil regions led to the early 90's recessions.

What caused the early 80's double dip recession? The ridiculously high inflation caused during the Carter administration.

The cycle goes on and on as you trace back economic trends throughout the 20th century.

But here's the reality, most of the 20th century economic crises were due to either world events that caused oil price shocks and various policies by the Federal Reserve, an institution more or less independent of the sitting President.

Point is, blaming or crediting political parties for economic success and failures for events during their tenure is both rudimentary and inaccurate.Yes, I already observed those events in real time and further research on them is quite easy.

It is simplistic and inaccurate to say repealing Glass-Steagall in November 1999 allowed banks to do something Citi-Corp had been doing since 1992 due to enough loopholes in Glass-Steagall that allowed them to do it. Which was why Glass-Steagall was repealed and replaced with Gramm-Leach-Bliley, which did NOT give any banks or lending institutions permission to write bogus mortgage loans. That would have been the job of George W. Bush's Office of Thrift Supervision to supervise, monitor and prevent.

But, surprise surprise, the typically anti-regulation Republican administration had no interest in doing their job of supervising to enforce the regulations of mortgage lending. A thousand Glass-Steagalls in place would not have prevented a financial collapse if an administration's Treasury Department has no interest or motivation from the top to enforce the regulations in them. Particularly when an uptic in homeownership was about the only economic plus the Bush administration could crow about even if it was held together by spit and chewing gum.

Moreover, the repeal of Glass-Steagall was promoted (Republican Senator Gramm spearheaded the replacement Act) and approved by an overwhelming veto-proof Republican Majority controlled Senate (something like 95% passed it in the Senate) under a very lame duck then President Clinton at the end of 1999. No way could he have prevented it from being repealed and replaced.

The "ridiculously high inflation" under Carter was fed by wage inflation caused by too many jobs being created for too few applicants to fill them. We should only be so lucky to someday have such a terrible economic problem under Repub stewardship. It also happens to be one of the easiest economic "problems" to solve as long as you have a President with the nerve to appoint a Fed Chaiman to do what is necessary yet politically deadly to solve it; raise Fed Funds Rates/Interest Rates, raise the cost of borrowing money and cool down an overheated economy.

Being told bluntly by Volker what he would do to tame inflation was the reason Carter appointed him despite his knowing it could be political suicide. It was the right thing to do for the U.S. economy. So the Fed decisions are not as independent of the president who appoints him or her as some might think.

Which is exactly what Carter's Fed Chaiman appointee Paul Volker did beginning in the last quarter of 1979. By the second quarter of 1980 the rate of inflation began to decline and continued to steadily decline almost month over month with only 2-3 mild exceptions here and there for the next 3 years. Of course, Reagan was only too happy to take credit for it in his "Morning in America" 2nd term campaign ads even though he had absolutely nothing to do with accomplishing it.

"double dip recession"? No such thing exists in nature or anywhere else in economic history. That was a concept invented by Reagan supporters who wanted somehow to blame Reagan's Great Recession of late 1981-1983 on Carter. Volker's move did indeed purposely induce a mini recession in the first half of 1980. It barely qualified as a recession by the classic definition of one. There was one quarter of GDP contraction (as intended) at about -7% followed by a second quarter of contraction at a fraction of 1%.

By the time Reagan was elected in November 1980 and inaugurated in January 1981, Carter's recovery from that mini, controlled recession was producing a +7.5% GDP Growth quarter followed by a +8.5% GDP Growth quarter, a steadily declining rate of inflation, a steadily declining unemployment rate from a one month high during that mini recession of 7.8% into the mid/low 7% range that continued well into 1981. Nothing close to recessionary conditions by any measure.

Then Reagan's policies began to hit the streets. Following one of the best average annual jobs creation presidencies of all time (Carter), Reagan's unemployment rate began to climb under his Recession that did not even begin until the last quarter of 1981 and then took the unemployment rate into 10%+ figures for a whopping 10 consecutive months stretching through his second and third year in office.

Again, I have researched and watched enough horrific Great Recessions and skyrocketing unemployment rates follow Repub favorite "pro growth, job creating, pro business" Supply-Side/Trickle-Down nonsense policies in an environment of repealed or unenforced regulations to know those two dots are the easiest to justifiably connect in any era.

Frankypanky
01-25-21, 20:40
I'm still waiting for you to answer the question I asked you. Seems like you don't want to answer it since it would expose what a joke the Democratic Party truly is.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/08/10-times-democrats-urged-violence-against-trump-and-his-supporters/

Also, many, many liberal politicians suggested that Trump was not a legitimate president and that Russia stole the election. That's nothing short of an encouragement of violence according to the very same people today.The only joke is the Republican Party. Screamed 'Law and Order' and 'Self Responsibility' for YEARS. Now they support an insurrection! Boebert, Cruz, Hawley and that QAnon wacko are still seating in the House?!

And those who voted Clinton in 2016 had to deal with it (Trump winning).
How about 2020, and the republicans plus the Trumpcult dealing with Biden winning? Clinton at least conceded, but the Muller report started with lying Flynn. And Trump didn't help by obstructing the Muller investigation!

Even Bill Barr couldn't find irregularities! WTAF do you mean, Biden stole the election? Because that also means that the GOP didn't win seat in the Cngress...WHICH WAS ON THE SAME BALLOT!

And here you are. Crying and parroting Trumps LIES!

Travv
01-25-21, 20:59
USA —CNN and other media outlets praised President Biden for causing the sun to rise this morning.

"The sun rose again this morning after a long absence," said CNN anchor Don Lemon. "As the sunlight peaked over the mountains, bathing the earth in its warm, shimmering light, like the loving embrace of America's new president, I felt a tingling sense of bubbling peace spring up in my soul and shoot out my fingertips as if I were an empty vessel being filled with some kind of intergalactic energy source used to power alien spaceships. I am a soul reborn. America has been made anew. "

According to every credible journalist on TV, President Biden has ushered in an era of hope and light after 4 years of darkness.

Chris Cuomo, in a morning address to the nation, echoed these sentiments, saying: "The midnight rains have washed away the hate and division of the past, like that one scene in The Lion King where Simba roars and Pride Rock is restored to its former glory. As my spirit briefly reflected on the pain and darkness of the last 4 years, I shed a single tear. The restoring rain, falling from the open skies, washed my tear away, never to be seen again. Hope has been reborn, and its name is Joe Biden. ".

Cuomo then went on to promise he would do his duty and cover the Biden Administration with the same journalistic toughness he had with the Trump Administration.

Some scientific experts contested the idea that Biden had actually caused the sun to rise, instead suggesting that journalists had never bothered to notice the sunrise over the last 4 years because they were so preoccupied with how much they hated Trump.

The scientific experts were quickly dismissed as haters, bigots and Trump supporters and have since been suspended from Twitter. . . "

Semisatire. Babylon Bee.


The only joke is the Republican Party. Screamed 'Law and Order' and 'Self Responsibility' for YEARS. Now they support an insurrection! Boebert, Cruz, Hawley and that QAnon wacko are still seating in the House?!

And those who voted Clinton in 2016 had to deal with it (Trump winning).
How about 2020, and the republicans plus the Trumpcult dealing with Biden winning? Clinton at least conceded, but the Muller report started with lying Flynn. And Trump didn't help by obstructing the Muller investigation!

Even Bill Barr couldn't find irregularities! WTAF do you mean, Biden stole the election? Because that also means that the GOP didn't win seat in the Cngress...WHICH WAS ON THE SAME BALLOT!

And here you are. Crying and parroting Trumps LIES!

Beijing4987
01-25-21, 21:08
Anyone ready for a Volume 2, obstruction of justice?

Mursenary
01-25-21, 21:21
Yes, I already observed those events in real time and further research on them is quite easy.

It is simplistic and inaccurate to say repealing Glass-Steagall in November 1999 allowed banks to do something Citi-Corp had been doing since 1992 due to enough loopholes in Glass-Steagall that allowed them to do it. Which was why Glass-Interesting observations as you clearly have some insight having lived through all of that. One of the rare 100% cogent posts of late. I'm going to have to do my homework.

ShooBree
01-25-21, 21:51
The only joke is the Republican Party. Screamed 'Law and Order' and 'Self Responsibility' for YEARS. Now they support an insurrection! Boebert, Cruz, Hawley and that QAnon wacko are still seating in the House?!

And those who voted Clinton in 2016 had to deal with it (Trump winning).
How about 2020, and the republicans plus the Trumpcult dealing with Biden winning? Clinton at least conceded, but the Muller report started with lying Flynn. And Trump didn't help by obstructing the Muller investigation!

Even Bill Barr couldn't find irregularities! WTAF do you mean, Biden stole the election? Because that also means that the GOP didn't win seat in the Cngress...WHICH WAS ON THE SAME BALLOT!

And here you are. Crying and parroting Trumps LIES!LMFAO! You can't even read. I have never claimed that Biden "stole" any election. Maybe you should learn how to read before you write your liberal BS.

Please point out my lies. You're obviously the liar of the two of us.

Clinton didn't really concede, nor did the Democratic Party. The way they cried about Russia stealing the election and Trump not being a legitimate president is not how you expect the leaders of the opposition party to act in a civilized democracy. The Republicans should investigate and impeach Biden just as the Democrats did against Trump after the election in 2016.

How many years did the Muller investigation last? Several years? And they found nothing against Trump.

How long did they investigate Biden and his ties to criminals in Ukraine? A minute?

You're just another liberal afraid of the truth.

Just look at the liberal cities protecting illegal aliens. Not to mention the BLM / antifa terrorists.

Philosophus
01-25-21, 22:13
I'm still waiting for you to answer the question I asked you. Seems like you don't want to answer it since it would expose what a joke the Democratic Party truly is.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/08/10-times-democrats-urged-violence-against-trump-and-his-supporters/

Also, many, many liberal politicians suggested that Trump was not a legitimate president and that Russia stole the election. That's nothing short of an encouragement of violence according to the very same people today.Firstly, Mrs. Clinton conceded on election night. The former president to this day spreads the lie that he won the election. He said. She said. Many liberals said. All rubbish. Secondly, the former president provoked the crowd (quote: Republican senate leader McConnell) that turned violent. The former presidents encouragement that led to violence is much more direct. He will be sued in court for it. He will be tried by the Senate for it. And it will be the pivotal moment of his presidency in the history books. He blew it on Covid and the on the election. Thirdly, why don't you dump this philandering, impestuous, big spending, no military service, not SAT exam, small dick (acc. To Stormy) buffoon, ShooBree. The Republican party needs you on the side of an electable person.

Booms and busts, Dems and Reps, our liberal friends on this forum do not get it. Both parties had both. Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich balanced the budget and created massive wealth. A dem pres and a rep congress may not be so bad after all. And vice versa.

Bill lived out his manly impulses which I appreciate. George Bush senior had a fling. Kennedy was awesome. Al Gore was a big time philanderer but too strange for comfort for me. Ronald Reagan was a Saint. W took cocaine. Obama smoked. I like people with vices. So I probably like ShooBree, even though he is a lost soul, post Trump coma.

ScatManDoo
01-25-21, 22:21
I understand that you as a leftist wants to ignore the obvious. The liberal politicians are egging them on by repeating their narrative. Just look at the Democrats; Camel Harris basically accused Biden of being a racist and AOC did the same against the lizard woman in the senate.

Please tell me, is the Democratic Party:

A. Full of racists.

Or.

B. Social justice warriors playing the race card against their own colleagues?Answer is.

Choice "ce". People of all education levels, confident enough in their individual abilities, talents and appeal to allow others to compete on level playing fields, compared to the typical republican completely dependent on Daddy's money and stature.

ScatManDoo
01-25-21, 22:41
Imagine you are Andrew Giuliani, son of Rudy Giuliani.

Washed out as a professional golfer that went nowhere after seven years.

Dad has gotten you a job working for the Trump campaign for $95 K a year.

In 5 days Andrew Giuliani will turn 35 years old.

Headlines today read that the large inheritance he was expecting, especially since Dad contracted Covid.

Will probably never cross the palms of his privileged hands, but instead likely going to Dominion Voting because of the lies Rudy can't stop singing.

ScatManDoo
01-25-21, 22:45
Sex work could be decriminalized in New York under new bill introduced to state senate today. Meaning prostitutes can't be prosecuted but Johns will face heavy fines while pimps could be jailed.

The Sex Trade Survivors Justice & Equality Act was introduced in New York state senate Monday.

The act would offer sex workers access to social services and extend legal protections to them, among other beneficial elements.

The act would offer sex workers access to social service while also closing loopholes used by johns.

Buying sex, sex trafficking and brothel owning would continue to be illegal.

ShooBree
01-25-21, 23:42
Firstly, Mrs. Clinton conceded on election night. The former president to this day spreads the lie that he won the election. He said. She said. Many liberals said. All rubbish. Secondly, the former president provoked the crowd (quote: Republican senate leader McConnell) that turned violent. The former presidents encouragement that led to violence is much more direct. He will be sued in court for it. He will be tried by the Senate for it. And it will be the pivotal moment of his presidency in the history books. He blew it on Covid and the on the election. Thirdly, why don't you dump this philandering, impestuous, big spending, no military service, not SAT exam, small dick (acc. To Stormy) buffoon, ShooBree. The Republican party needs you on the side of an electable person.

Booms and busts, Dems and Reps, our liberal friends on this forum do not get it. Both parties had both. Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich balanced the budget and created massive wealth. A dem pres and a rep congress may not be so bad after all. And vice versa.

Bill lived out his manly impulses which I appreciate. George Bush senior had a fling. Kennedy was awesome. Al Gore was a big time philanderer but too strange for comfort for me. Ronald Reagan was a Saint. W took cocaine. Obama smoked. I like people with vices. So I probably like ShooBree, even though he is a lost soul, post Trump coma.Well, Clinton didn't respect the outcome of the election. She claimed that Russia stole the election and called Trump an "illegitimate president".

Trump did the right thing to 100%. He acted just the same as Hillary Clinton and the other libtards did.

It's easy to see that I'm right and you've forgotten what happened after Trumps beautiful victory in 2016.

Trump can't and shouldn't be held responsible for the actions of others. Just as the liberal media and liberal politicians shouldn't be held responsible for the riots / terrorism caused by their fellow ideologists.

Beijing4987
01-26-21, 00:13
Trump fired FBI Director James Comey shortly after Comey refused to end the investigation into Michael Flynn. Vol 1 ,pg 75.

Trump tried to get Attorney General Jeff Sessions to protect him by limiting the investigation into himself and his associates. Vol 2 pg 97,112,113.

Trump ordered White House Counsel Donald McGsnn to fire Special Counsel Mueller, but McGann refused. Trump then ordered McGann to lie about the attempted firing and create false records. Vol 2 pg 89,120.

Trump actively discouraged his senior aides charged with crimes from cooperating by suggesting the possibility of pardons or threatening them in public and private. Vol 2, pg 120-228,144-152.

The report concludes that President Trump personally helped write a false statement for his son to give the public about a meeting with Russian operatives at the campaign headquarters. He falsely claimed the meeting was to discuss adoption policy, rather than the real purpose, to get information benefiting his campaign and damaging his opponent. Vol 2 pg 101-103.

In short, Mueller indicated that the report was an impeachment referral, leaving the matter to the House of Representatives.

"Congress May apply obstruction laws to the President's corrupt excercise of the powers of office accords with the constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law " Vol 2, pg 8.

EihTooms
01-26-21, 03:57
Interesting observations as you clearly have some insight having lived through all of that. One of the rare 100% cogent posts of late. I'm going to have to do my homework.I appreciate your reasonable response and reply to my lengthy post. lol. As you can see I am into this kind of lively political discussion on a more reality-based historical data and record of results level as you seem to be as well. I should have cited and lauded your observations on some good and bad on both sides before. Well, I am not a fan of "bothsiderism" in political analysis, not saying you are, because it tends to elevate the side that consistently promotes policies that crash the economy and denigrates the side that consistently recovers us from those crashes, only serving to help the former win elections over the latter. I'll pass on that nicety until I see it helping more Dems win over Repubs, which I have yet to witness. But some points you made were very much worth considering.

GeneHickman
01-26-21, 06:04
Sex work could be decriminalized in New York under new bill introduced to state senate today. Meaning prostitutes can't be prosecuted but Johns will face heavy fines while pimps could be jailed.

The Sex Trade Survivors Justice & Equality Act was introduced in New York state senate Monday.

The act would offer sex workers access to social services and extend legal protections to them, among other beneficial elements.

The act would offer sex workers access to social service while also closing loopholes used by johns.

Buying sex, sex trafficking and brothel owning would continue to be illegal.Didn't think anything could get worse than the status quo for stateside mongers. But here it is.

ShooBree
01-26-21, 08:05
Answer is.

Choice "ce". People of all education levels, confident enough in their individual abilities, talents and appeal to allow others to compete on level playing fields, compared to the typical republican completely dependent on Daddy's money and stature.LMFAO! You still did not answer my question; are Biden&Pelosi racists or did ACO and Camela Harris falsely accuse their fellow party members of being racists?

As to your claim, you couldn't be more wrong. What kind of bizarre bubble are you living in? The Democrats are actively working against USA being a meritocracy. Affirmative action is the opposite of being a Meritocracy and "confident enough in their individual abilities".

You are actively working for USA to become a sectarian country like Lebanon. I'm sure that will work out good.

ShooBree
01-26-21, 08:07
China, Iran and antifa, those are Biden's and USA's new best friends.

Golfinho
01-26-21, 13:44
Sex work could be decriminalized in New York under new bill introduced to state senate today. Meaning prostitutes can't be prosecuted but Johns will face heavy fines while pimps could be jailed.
The Sex Trade Survivors Justice & Equality Act was introduced in New York state senate Monday.
The act would offer sex workers access to social services and extend legal protections to them, among other beneficial elements.
The act would offer sex workers access to social service while also closing loopholes used by johns.
Buying sex, sex trafficking and brothel owning would continue to be illegal.Democrats just getting started. Wonder what Kambala Harris if given have a chance would do to people who use this website and engage in the activities under discussion here? And it isn't only about 'in America': just look at Julian Assange and what happens to other 'deplorables' and anyone else they don't like.

Travv
01-26-21, 17:41
In hard-hitting press conference, press demands to know Biden's favorite Disney princess.

"Washington, the. See. —In a brutal press conference this morning, courageous journalists asked hard-hitting questions of the incoming administration. In one particularly tense exchange, Press Secretary Jen Psaki was forced to reveal President Biden's favorite Disney Princess.

"Please, Miss Press Secretary, Please! Please!" asked CNN correspondent Kaitlan Collins. "We need to know President Biden's favorite Disney princess! Is it Belle? Or maybe Jasmine?" she said while waving her hand and jumping up and down.

"Wow, what a fantastic question," responded Psaki. "I haven't asked the President that, so I will have to get back to you. Whoever it is, I'm sure his favorite is an empowered woman of color."

Undeterred, the press pool continued to follow up on the question, demanding a clearer answer.

"OK, fine," responded a slightly frustrated Psaki, "It's Moana. His favorite is Moana."

"NO IT'S NOT! Came a muffled voice from behind the curtain that sounded a lot like Joe Biden. "My favorite is that one with all the hair! Rappatootie! Rattatatpunzle! Refunzle! Whatever her name is! Hey! Let go of me! Where are you taking me?" "I don't want to go back down in the basement!

There was the sound of a scuffle from behind the curtain and the voice faded away.

As the press conference resumed, journalists continued to grill the Press Secretary, asking further tough hard hitting questions like:

"Does President Biden prefer puppy kisses or kitty cuddles?

"So. Does President Biden like being President?

"Who is his favorite ninja turtle?

"Can I go to the bathroom please? I'm sorry, MAY I go to the bathroom?

Journalists everywhere have praised Biden's new press conferences as "A welcome return to civility and truth."

The New York Times also praised the press conference and ran a 12-page in-depth report on why Biden's choice of Moana as the best Disney princess is brilliant.

So refreshing!

Semisatire Babylon Bee.

ScatManDoo
01-26-21, 19:40
Well, Clinton didn't respect the outcome of the election.

Firstly, Mrs. Clinton conceded on election night. The former president to this day spreads the lie that he won the election.The truth 1, ShooBree 0.


She claimed that Russia stole the election and called Trump an "illegitimate president".Hillary was part of the 500 K crowd that sat through TrumpShit's American Carnage speech.


Trump did the right thing to 100%.The truth 2, ShooBree 0.


He acted just the same as Hillary Clinton and the other libtards did.

the former president provoked the crowd (quote: Republican senate leader McConnell) that turned violent.The truth 3, ShooBree 0.

ScatManDoo
01-26-21, 20:16
LMFAO! You still did not answer my question; are Biden&Pelosi racists or did ACO and Camela Harris falsely accuse their fellow party members of being racists?Once again I am laughing my ass off at you.

That was not the question you asked.

I quoted (and answered) the question that you asked, that was not it.

I know your English skills are poor (based on your prior posts).

But are you also suffering from blindness?

(BTW: That's how you structure and punctuate a question in English).

I am sure that if you asked Vice-President Kamala Harris today if her running mate, President Joe Biden, was a racist. She would say he is not a racist.

We know Joe much better today than a year ago, at least those who care to learn.

ShooBree
01-26-21, 23:27
The truth 1, ShooBree 0.

Hillary was part of the 500 K crowd that sat through TrumpShit's American Carnage speech.

The truth 2, ShooBree 0.


The truth 3, ShooBree 0.Calling the president "illegitimate" and pretending that Russia "stole" the election is a sure way to undermine the confidence of US elections, and that's what Hillary Clinton did.

Truth 1 - 0 Scatmandoo.

Hillary attending the inauguration is irrelevant.

Truth 2 - 0 Scatmandoo.

According to me Trump did the right thing, if you disagree then it's your personal and highly uninteresting opinion.

Truth 3 - 0 Scatmandoo.

People are responsible for their own actions, trying to blame everything bad on Trump is a typical move for dishonest left-wing radicals.

Truth 4 - 0 Scatmandoo.

ShooBree
01-26-21, 23:40
Once again I am laughing my ass off at you.

That was not the question you asked.

I quoted (and answered) the question that you asked, that was not it.

I know your English skills are poor (based on your prior posts).

But are you also suffering from blindness?

(BTW: That's how you structure and punctuate a question in English).

I am sure that if you asked Vice-President Kamala Harris today if her running mate, President Joe Biden, was a racist. She would say he is not a racist.

We know Joe much better today than a year ago, at least those who care to learn.What a load of nonsense. Your childish and ignorant attacks against me are just a reflection of what a stupid little troll you truly are. You are laughable.

I've asked the same question twice and you've yet to give me a real answer. You're obviously afraid of answering my question.

Did you mean to say that Biden was a racist but not anymore? He stopped being a racist after he let Camela Harris in on his ticket? LOL!

You didn't even the mention the lizard woman and the horse face with the crazy eyes. Is the lizard woman a racist or is the horse face a crazy SJW plying the race card?

If Biden isn't a racist, Camela Harris must be a true wacko running around and falsely accusing people of being racists.

Chocha Monger
01-26-21, 23:55
So, the Proud Boys now judge Donald Trump "a total failure" and "extraordinarily weak. " The members of the far-right group understood at last that when the former president denounced them for doing what he incited them to do, they looked ridiculous.

How to save face? They couldn't concede that posting pictures of themselves engaged in a murderous assault on the USA Capitol was supremely stupid. No, it was that Trump was too cowardly to join them. But thinking that he would was also supremely stupid.

After winding the mob up with insane ranting about a "stolen election," Trump urged it to March to the Capitol to stop the counting of votes. "You'll never take back our country with weakness," he said. "And I'll be there with you. "

Of course, he wasn't there with them. It was some strange Neverland these Lost Boys came from. How else explain their expecting Trump to expose himself to the swarm, much less risk injury in a violent encounter?

While the boys were vandalizing, looting and threatening to hang elected officials, according to The Washington Post, Trump serenely watched the rampage on White House TVs. At a certain point, though, it dawned on the president that the unfolding horror was not in his interests. He conferred with advisers and lawyers to ensure he wouldn't take the rap for it. Thus, at 2:38 pm Eastern time, after a Capitol Police officer had already been killed, he tweeted, "Stay peaceful!" he then issued a video in which he told the herd to go home.

A day later, he condemned the blockheads for their "heinous attack" and said he was "outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem. " And to think that some of the Proud Boys actually expected a presidential pardon for their crimes.

The main objective here is not to point out the treachery of Trump. It's not even to question the right wing's willingness to believe that Trump hadn't lost. With all those conspiracy theories infesting their media and weeks of getting pounded by a charismatic speaker's liesone could envision their swallowing the nonsense that dark forces had denied victory to he whom they called "Emperor Trump."

The Proud Boys' grasp on reality was never all it could be, but still. The group had it together enough to closely follow Trump's 86 unsuccessful legal challenges to the election results. It should have been easier to note Trump's long history of covering his rear end and employing an army of lawyers to countersue those he had betrayed. But somehow, the Lost Boys thought they'd be an exception.

And so, they portrayed the double-cross as an unexpected abuse of what they imagined as their honor. They hit backor so they thought. "The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump" is how a New York Times headline characterized their criticism.

With all due respect to the headline writer, the people being mocked are the right-wing rioters facing criminal charges after being turned in by their children, ex-wives and (former) employers. Trump is back at Mar-a-Lago, smelling the sweet chlorine from his swimming pool and playing golf.

The insurrectionists now have their own lawyers. Despite the "heinous" nature of their acts, some of the legal advisers have taken the tack of portraying their clients as naive nitwits.

The lawyer representing the "QAnon Shaman" says the would-be actor regrets what he did but was duped by Trump. And he refers to his client in clownish termsas "the guy with the horns and the fur, the meditation and organic food. "

The Proud Boys are now saying in online posts that the group should drop politics and abandon both parties. They may be on to something, finally.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-proud-boys-return-to-neverland-opinion/ar-BB1d6FIs

Chocha Monger
01-27-21, 00:12
A majority of Europeans believe America's political system is broken, that China will be the world's leading power within a decade, and that Joe Biden will be unable to halt his country's decline on the world stage, according to a report.

While many welcomed Biden's victory in November's US election, more Europeans than not feel that after four years of Donald Trump the US cannot be trusted, according to the study by the European Council on Foreign Relations.

"Europeans like Biden, but they don't think America will come back as a global leader," said the thinktank's director, Mark Leonard. "When George W Bush was president, they were divided about how America should use its power. With Biden entering the White House, they are divided about whether America has power at all."

The survey of 15,000 people in 11 European countries, conducted at the end of last year, found that the shift in European sentiment towards the US in the wake of the Trump presidency had led to a corresponding unwillingness to support Washington in potential international disputes.

At least half of respondents in all 11 countries surveyed felt, for example, that their government should remain neutral in any conflict between the US and China, while no more than 40% in any country said they would back Washington against Russia.

"It's clear that the tumultuous Trump presidency has left an indelible imprint on Europe's attitude towards the US," said Ivan Krastev, chair of the Centre for Liberal Strategies, an NGO in Sofia, and an ECFR board member. "The majority of Europeans are now sceptical about the capacity of the US to shape the world. It makes many, rightly or wrongly, want to opt for a more independent role for the EU in the world."

In their report, Leonard and Krastev note that while more than 60% of those polled believed the US was "broken", most evaluated the EU and their own countries' systems much more positively an opportunity, they argue, to harness the collective power of the bloc for the benefit and protection of its citizens.

The survey found that 51% of those polled did not agree with the statement that under Biden the US was likely to resolve its internal divisions and seek to address international issues such as climate change, peace in the Middle East, relations with China or European security.

Amid a widespread sense of growing Chinese superiority, 79% of those polled in Spain, 72% in Portugal, 72% in Italy and 63% in France said they thought China would overtake the US as the world's leading superpower within the next decade.

Just over 32% of all respondents and a startling 53% of respondents in Germany felt that after voting for Trump, Americans could not be trusted. Only in Hungary and Poland did significantly more people disagree with that view than agree.

Just 10% of those polled saw the US as a "reliable" security partner that would always protect Europe, while at least 60% in every country polled said they doubted their country could depend on US support in the event of a crisis.

The authors say the geopolitical consequences of this shift are significant: two-thirds of those surveyed said it was now important that Europe look after its own defence, including 72% in Portugal, 71% in Sweden, 70% in France and 69% in Poland.

At least half of respondents in every country surveyed said they would prefer their government to be neutral in a conflict between the US and China. Across the 11 states surveyed, only 23% of respondents thought their country should take Washington's side against Russia, with 59% preferring to remain neutral.

Between 38% and 48% of respondents in seven countries thought the EU should adopt a tougher international stance on issues such as trade, taxation and regulation, while most countries considered Germany was now a more important country to "have a good relationship" with than the US.

The poll also revealed that in nine of the 11 countries Denmark, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland, Spain and Sweden where the same question was asked in previous years, the average share of people saying the EU's political system worked very or fairly well had risen from 46% to 48%.

It found that people who believed their own national political system was working, which was more often the case in northern than in southern Europe, were more likely to say the EU was a success.

The report identified four "tribes" that went a long way to grouping respondents' positions, depending on whether they felt the EU, US or China were rising or declining. The biggest tribe, "In Europe we trust", comprised 35% of respondents, while only 9% belonged to "In America we trust".

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/majority-of-europeans-say-china-will-overtake-broken-us-within-decade/ar-BB1cSkOB

Elvis 2008
01-27-21, 05:51
Didn't think anything could get worse than the status quo for stateside mongers. But here it is.The cops have been pulling this shit for years so it is no surprise to me that it has been made into law. I will not monger in the USA anymore.

They claim to be stopping sex trafficking but really just want to shake down us mongers.

In the scheme that caught Robert Kraft, the cops faked a fucking bomb scare to put in hidden cameras in that spa. How fucked up is that?

ScatManDoo
01-27-21, 07:42
A majority of Europeans believe America's political system is broken, that China will be the world's leading power within a decade, and that Joe Biden will be unable to halt his country's decline on the world stage, according to a report.

While many welcomed Biden's victory in November's US election, more Europeans than not feel that after four years of Donald Trump the US cannot be trusted, according to the study by the European Council on Foreign Relations.The Trump stain is going to be with us for a while.

Canada
01-27-21, 16:32
Trump fired FBI Director James Comey shortly after Comey refused to end the investigation into Michael Flynn. Vol 1 ,pg 75.

Trump tried to get Attorney General Jeff Sessions to protect him by limiting the investigation into himself and his associates. Vol 2 pg 97,112,113.

Trump ordered White House Counsel Donald McGsnn to fire Special Counsel Mueller, but McGann refused. Trump then ordered McGann to lie about the attempted firing and create false records. Vol 2 pg 89,120.

Trump actively discouraged his senior aides charged with crimes from cooperating by suggesting the possibility of pardons or threatening them in public and private. Vol 2, pg 120-228,144-152.

The report concludes that President Trump personally helped write a false statement for his son to give the public about a meeting with Russian operatives at the campaign headquarters. He falsely claimed the meeting was to discuss adoption policy, rather than the real purpose, to get information benefiting his campaign and damaging his opponent. Vol 2 pg 101-103.

In short, Mueller indicated that the report was an impeachment referral, leaving the matter to the House of Representatives.

"Congress May apply obstruction laws to the President's corrupt excercise of the powers of office accords with the constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law " Vol 2, pg 8.Once again the house democrats bring false charges and want to impeach and once again Trump will be found not guilty and exonerated. Democrats are so afraid of Trump that they will stop all their duties and delay the stimulus to try to impeach even though they know that the senators will not vote for it. They are hurting everyone that voted for them, all the people suffering from this recession to put on a show. Trump will be exonerated again.

Democrats must be so proud.

Beijing4987
01-27-21, 16:54
The Special Counsel's report made it clear that DJT was not exonerated. Cut loose by a Senate controlled by Republicans, yes, so as not to lose a primary if they crossed him. It's a fake battle. It is a one party system controlled by entrenched wealth with a constitution guaranteed to protect it. Bad and disingenuous people on both sides. The corporations that supported Republicans have been shamed a bit, but will get over it soon enough. USA is consuming itself from within. Europe trusts the USA, will go a separate way and be more neutral in the conflict with China.

ShooBree
01-27-21, 17:01
The Special Counsel's report made it clear that DJT was not exonerated. Cut loose by a Senate controlled by Republicans, yes, so as not to lose a primary if they crossed him. It's a fake battle. It is a one party system controlled by entrenched wealth with a constitution guaranteed to protect it. Bad and disingenuous people on both sides. The corporations that supported Republicans have been shamed a bit, but will get over it soon enough. USA is consuming itself from within. Europe trusts the USA, will go a separate way and be more neutral in the conflict with China.Laughable, it's called innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent as you CCP supporters want it to be.

Both Europe and USA are tired of China. I would say that most people in the Western world considers China to be a bigger problem than Russia.

Golfinho
01-27-21, 17:37
The Trump stain is going to be with us for a while.The "It is all Trump's fault" excuse will be used by the Democrats for as long as they can.

Golfinho
01-27-21, 17:47
It's a fake battle. It is a one party system controlled by entrenched wealth with a constitution guaranteed to protect it. Bad and disingenuous people on both sides. The corporations that supported Republicans have been shamed a bit, but will get over it soon enough.The 2016 election of the outsider Trump has shown the electorate has woken up to this reality. Even the dimmest bulbs who somehow imagined Joe Biden (of all people) could be their salvation should by the next election cycle be ready to break from the two-party duopoly. And Trump supporters will be likely to more closely scrutinize prospective candidates so as not be hoodwinked by another grifter.

Beijing4987
01-27-21, 18:05
Sleepy Joe Biden is POTUS. Fat Nixon is Commander in Thief of a shadow government, pulling the puppet strings in the two venerable houses.

Travv
01-27-21, 18:31
While US officials claim that 'far-right extremism' is one of the largest threats facing America, the leader of the group most commonly singled out as an example. The Proud Boys. Was a 'prolific' informant for federal and local law enforcement, according to Reuters, citing a 2014 federal court proceeding.

Enrique Tarrio repeatedly worked undercover for investigators following a 2012 arrest, court documents reveal.

Curiously, Tarrio was ordered to stay away from Washington the. See. One day before the January 6 Capitol riot after he was arrested on vandalism and weapons charges. Upon a request by government prosecutors that he be prohibited from attending. At least five Proud Boys members were charged as part of the riot.

In a Tuesday interview with Reuters, Tarrio denied working undercover or cooperating in cases.

"I don't know any of this," he said, adding "I don't recall any of this."

Law-enforcement officials and the court transcript contradict Tarrio's denial. In a statement to Reuters, the former federal prosecutor in Tarrio's case, Vanessa Singh Johannes, confirmed that "he cooperated with local and federal law enforcement, to aid in the prosecution of those running other, separate criminal enterprises, ranging from running marijuana grow houses in Miami to operating pharmaceutical fraud schemes. ".

Tarrio, 36, is a high-profile figure who organizes and leads the right-wing Proud Boys in their confrontations with those they believe to be Antifa, short for "anti-fascism," an amorphous and often violent leftist movement. The Proud Boys were involved in the deadly insurrection at the Capitol January 6.

The records uncovered by Reuters are startling because they show that a leader of a far-right group now under intense scrutiny by law enforcement was previously an active collaborator with criminal investigators. -Reuters.

. Tarrio's involvement with law enforcement will no doubt fuel speculation over just how 'organic' the threat of 'far-right extremism' is, particularly when the vast majority of violence observed over 2020 was committed by far-left groups rioting in the name of racial justice."

Zerohedge dot com.

Commenter: "IOW, the leader of the Proud Boys was an agent provocateur reporting to FBI handlers. " Where was Lisa Page and Agent Strozk when the "capitol insurrection" went down? LOL.

"Duh, at least 50% of any group like this are federal agents or informants. They will create or even takeover the groups. Decentralization. " How many of the "rioters" in the Capitol were paid to be there?

"This story is incredibly easy for me to believe, especially a day after the story of the child turning in his father for the horrific atrocity of entering into what was an open public building before the ruling class set the 1,000 meter rule of no approach. What was the father's other crime again? Complaining (and protesting) about election fraud?

"I had a trial a few years ago in which most of the MS-13 leaders worked for FBI while in leadership position."

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/proud-boys-leader-was-prolific-fbi-snitch-court-docs


So, the Proud Boys now judge Donald Trump "a total failure" and "extraordinarily weak. " The members of the far-right group understood at last that when the former president denounced them for doing what he incited them to do, they looked ridiculous.

How to save face? They couldn't concede that posting pictures of themselves engaged in a murderous assault on the USA Capitol was supremely stupid. No, it was that Trump was too cowardly to join them. But thinking that he would was also supremely stupid.

After winding the mob up with insane ranting about a "stolen election," Trump urged it to March to the Capitol to stop the counting of votes. "You'll never take back our country with weakness," he said. "And I'll be there with you."

Of course, he wasn't there with them. It was some strange Neverland these Lost Boys came from. How else explain their expecting Trump to expose himself to the swarm, much less risk injury in a violent encounter?

While the boys were vandalizing, looting and threatening to hang elected officials, according to The Washington Post, Trump serenely watched the rampage on White House TVs. At a certain point, though, it dawned on the president that the unfolding horror was not in his interests. He conferred with advisers and lawyers to ensure he wouldn't take the rap for it. Thus, at 2:38 pm Eastern time, after a Capitol Police officer had already been killed, he tweeted, "Stay peaceful!" he then issued a video in which he told the herd to go home.

A day later, he condemned the blockheads for their "heinous attack" and said he was "outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem. " And to think that some of the Proud Boys actually expected a presidential pardon for their crimes.

The main objective here is not to point out the treachery of Trump. It's not even to question the right wing's willingness to believe that Trump hadn't lost. With all those conspiracy theories infesting their media and weeks of getting pounded by a charismatic speaker's liesone could envision their swallowing the nonsense that dark forces had denied victory to he whom they called "Emperor Trump."

The Proud Boys' grasp on reality was never all it could be, but still. The group had it together enough to closely follow Trump's 86 unsuccessful legal challenges to the election results. It should have been easier to note Trump's long history of covering his rear end and employing an army of lawyers to countersue those he had betrayed. But somehow, the Lost Boys thought they'd be an exception.

And so, they portrayed the double-cross as an unexpected abuse of what they imagined as their honor. They hit backor so they thought. "The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump" is how a New York Times headline characterized their criticism.

With all due respect to the headline writer, the people being mocked are the right-wing rioters facing criminal charges after being turned in by their children, ex-wives and (former) employers. Trump is back at Mar-a-Lago, smelling the sweet chlorine from his swimming pool and playing golf.

The insurrectionists now have their own lawyers. Despite the "heinous" nature of their acts, some of the legal advisers have taken the tack of portraying their clients as naive nitwits.

The lawyer representing the "QAnon Shaman" says the would-be actor regrets what he did but was duped by Trump. And he refers to his client in clownish termsas "the guy with the horns and the fur, the meditation and organic food."

The Proud Boys are now saying in online posts that the group should drop politics and abandon both parties. They may be on to something, finally.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-proud-boys-return-to-neverland-opinion/ar-BB1d6FIs

Mursenary
01-27-21, 20:53
A majority of Europeans believe America's political system is broken, that China will be the world's leading power within a decade, and that Joe Biden will be unable to halt his country's decline on the world stage, according to a report.

While many welcomed Biden's victory in November's US election, more Europeans than not feel that after four years of Donald Trump the US cannot be trusted, according to the study by the European Council on Foreign Relations.Meanwhile, we're debating over transgender bathrooms, confederate statues, and catering to every emotional whim. DJT was terrible but it would be nice if we let America be America and worked on logistics and policy, pass some very basic human rights laws, while letting the various states and regions sort out their own cultural issues.

Canada
01-27-21, 21:09
Laughable, it's called innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent as you CCP supporters want it to be.

Both Europe and USA are tired of China. I would say that most people in the Western world considers China to be a bigger problem than Russia.Evey country is tired of China. Trump was the only leader with enough balls to stand up to China. Sleepy Joe owes China. His first executive order was to get back in the Paris Accord. Killing USA jobs and strengthening China industry as they don't have to follow same regulations until after 2030. He will reverse all Trump policies on fair trade and drop all tariffs. Sleepy Joe is just a puppet for Rice, Sanders and all the socialists.

Look at his first week.

Reverse Trump immigration policies. Now we have caravans starting from Central America because Biden promised open borders to them.

Stopped deportation so now people sneaking across the border (both criminal and possibly Covid carriers) can be released into the USA.

Promised $4 billion to Central America that they will get before USA citizens get their next stimulus check.

Promised citizenship to 11,000,000 illegals including gang members and criminals so that they don't have to vote democratic illegally next election.

Killed the Keystone Pipeline costing thousands of union jobs and screwing Canada.

Killed our domestic oil industry so that we can be more reliant on foreign oil so we can get in a war over oil.

Still trying to tie immigration and state money to the stimulus. He doesn't want to help the citizens and small business. He wants to bail out democratic states that are broke because of their failed policies and get illegals sworn in. Covid Stimulus should not be tied to immigration and illegals but only for citizens.

Pushing the green energy thinking that but a miracle we can convert all our cars and buildings to electric by 2030 when we are only getting 5% from those sources now.

The thing about socialism is that all the government needs to do is tell you it works and everything will be better and you believe it. Well the smart 50% of the USA don't believe it. After 4 years the other 50% will just say that it didn't work but it wasn't Sleepy Joe fault it was Trump's fault.

Mark my words: Every failed policy by sleepy Joe will be Trump's fault! And if you don't believe me ask the honest media CNN.

Philosophus
01-27-21, 21:17
Laughable, it's called innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent as you CCP supporters want it to be.

Both Europe and USA are tired of China. I would say that most people in the Western world considers China to be a bigger problem than Russia.The world would be better off without the impeachment "trial". The US constitution mangles jurisprudential terms like "trial, verdict, guilty, acquitted" with the legislative domain. As if an impeachment trial was a jurisprudential trial and not a political process. Impeachment comes from empecher, which is a French verb, and which means "to accelerate", in this context to accelerate the ending of a presidential term, which means to remove a president from office sooner than the end of his term. Now the former president is already out. US political culture would be better off without this 2nd impeachment "trial" and 2nd "acquittal". Romney says, impeaching after end of term is constitutional. Maybe so.

It does not matter what "the majority" of Europeans think. Many Europeans do not grasp the roots of American power: Technology. Cooperation. Size. Natural resources. Soil. Climate. Foe-free geography. Currency union. Federal debt underwriting. Federal military bringing states to heel if need be. Grit. Russia is no big problem. In fact Russia is 90% Godsend and 10% nuisance. Cultured. Cooperative. Perennial battle with inhospitable nature. Organized. Big. Positive. Capricious. Exciting. Advanced. Funny. Covers Europe's back. Successful. If not as successful as the USA. Their cyberwarfarce has the very benign consequence that we harden our systems. When important things happen, Russia cooperates, like against Hitler and against the Taliban. Biden off to no-showboat Realpolitik with Russia. I rout for him. China is a much bigger issue because it is a very populous, cultured, organized, technology-capable, focussed, non-corrupt, aspiring hegemon. Most Europeans do not grasp the roots of Chinese weakness: Conformity. Fear. Opportunism. Government mandated atheism. Foes all around. Every Renminbi Chinas spends is offset by a renminbi of a local foe. Zero to negative soft power. That said: Trade is good. We encourage the doves in Beijing by vesting Beijings interest in peace with her neighbors. Go Taiwan!

Philosophus
01-27-21, 21:26
Evey country is tired of China. Trump was the only leader with enough balls to stand up to China. Sleepy Joe owes China. His first executive order was to get back in the Paris Accord. Killing USA jobs and strengthening China industry as they don't have to follow same regulations until after 2030. He will reverse all Trump policies on fair trade and drop all tariffs. Sleepy Joe is just a puppet for Rice, Sanders and all the socialists.

Look at his first week.

Reverse Trump immigration policies. Now we have caravans starting from Central America because Biden promised open borders to them.

Stopped deportation so now people sneaking across the border (both criminal and possibly Covid carriers) can be released into the USA.

Promised $4 billion to Central America that they will get before USA citizens get their next stimulus check.

Promised citizenship to 11,000,000 illegals including gang members and criminals so that they don't have to vote democratic illegally next election.

Killed the Keystone Pipeline costing thousands of union jobs and screwing Canada.

Killed our domestic oil industry so that we can be more reliant on foreign oil so we can get in a war over oil.

Still trying to tie immigration and state money to the stimulus. He doesn't want to help the citizens and small business. He wants to bail out democratic states that are broke because of their failed policies and get illegals sworn in. Covid Stimulus should not be tied to immigration and illegals but only for citizens.

Pushing the green energy thinking that but a miracle we can convert all our cars and buildings to electric by 2030 when we are only getting 5% from those sources now.

The thing about socialism is that all the government needs to do is tell you it works and everything will be better and you believe it. Well the smart 50% of the USA don't believe it. After 4 years the other 50% will just say that it didn't work but it wasn't Sleepy Joe fault it was Trump's fault.

Mark my words: EVERY FAILED POLICY BY SLEEPY JOE WILL BE TRUMP'S FAULT! And if you don't believe me ask the honest media CNN.Rejoining the Paris accord is common sense and the end of political vandalism. The US is making great progress ecologically. Has nothing to do with who is president. But it is showboating and pandering to a base I am not endeared to, to quit the agreement, poor marketing of a great and successful national effort of the US of A. The USA should never have become the largest oil and gas exporter of the world. Keep the stuff on US soil. Don't exhaust the reservoir. Let the weak countries like Saudi, Iran and Russia expolit their natural wealth. Curtailing prospection and production is a manifest to the belief in the long term wealth of the last best hope of mankind, the US of A.

Beijing4987
01-27-21, 22:08
In 1950's USA Art Linkletter hosted a TV program "Kids say the darnest things" Fast forward to the the new millennium, Political Neanderthals say the dumbest things. Targeted foreign aid (a small % of GDP) to South America would go a long way to helping the economies there (2 hurricanes in Honduras with no help to the populace) and reverse the political problems cause by two centuries of interference. People in South and middle America with nothing left to lose are not coming north to participate in the fractured democracy, and what's left of it. BTW, this is how Wikipedia traces the origin of "impeach". "The French empechier, EMPcher, from Latin "impedicare" caught, entrapped, to prevent. Late 14th century empechen, to hinder, impede, prevent. The Middle English verb apechen, to "accuse, charge". With a few clicks anyone can find facts to suit a twisted logic. America was beautiful before the invaders came. Now it’s empty strip malls and online shoppers as digital tools of Bozos, Fuckerberg and Bamboozled. A seriously aggrieved white minority living in the past, while others are moving forward. “Progressive” and adverb. Circa 1600 “characterized by advancement, going forward,progress.

SouthEaster
01-27-21, 22:31
Cultured and non-corrupt. Say what? They may have millennia of "culture" but their culture is certainly not something most nations or people aspire to. As for non-corrupt. What have you been smoking and where can I get some? I agree with much of your assessment, but not in these cases.

ScatManDoo
01-27-21, 22:56
You didn't even the mention the lizard woman and the horse face with the crazy eyes.Want to try again?

Maybe next time in English, S, Swede?

Your language problems makes you very hard to understand. Are you trying to communicate about your favorite anime character (s)?

ScatManDoo
01-27-21, 23:14
Mark my words: EVERY FAILED POLICY BY SLEEPY JOE WILL BE TRUMP'S FAULT! And if you don't believe me ask the honest media CNN.Do you think this?

Because.

Every failed policy that trumpship would admit, were claimed to be Obama's fault!

Mursenary
01-28-21, 00:38
Mostly agree with this, regarding China and Russia anyway. And also regarding that most Europeans not grasping the root of American power and thus our attitude. I don't even think many liberal Americans grasp it, at least they don't seem to want to come to terms with what made America become a powerhouse. But some of those roots of power are now pretty inconsequential. Geographic isolation, free of nearby foes, shouldn't be anywhere near as beneficial with the current state of warfare. Even if we were plopped in between Russia and China, I'm not sure that geography and locale would be the most important factor in strategic planning. The economic globalization trend of acquiring natural resources and the push towards renewable energy may also also make that less of a factor. Who knows what the financial-currency picture will look like. Will the dollar remain the reserve currency? Will fiat currency at all? Blockchain-Crypto? Too many wildcards to rest on our past laurels.

The assessment of the Russia threat seems pretty fair with the exception of taking much stock in their role in the World Wars. Not sure this is the same Russia and I think their actions were probably out of self interest. But anyway, rarely do you see people articulating the Russian threat this way or citing their positive characteristics. Kudos.

I think regarding China, it should be hammered home that China is a rival rather than an enemy. The Chinese are practical and I'm sure they understand that war, whether military or economic, does not benefit them. As such, does anyone think that they would push their relationship with the west toward more conflict? Terms like threat and enemy seem to be weapons of cultural engineering to get the masses riled up.

Domestic policies aside, it seems that their international policies reflect them just playing the game pretty well. Their infrastructure positions in Africa and South America are due to sound economic policy and masterfully executed. They pretty much own Nigeria and Sub-Saharan Africa at this point. Their financial and economic influence in Europe, the Pacific, and North America was respectfully built from the ground up, benefiting from economy of scale and unilateral agenda setting. Painting them as an enemy to be villainized rather than as a rival to outcompete seem to be a bitter grapes approach if you ask me.

As for Trump, should he be impeached? I thought so because the facts do show that while his words and actions would not convict him in a legal trial, his actions and words as President seem to put a great deal of fault on him. Again, impeaching doesn't necessary mean convicting for legal liability. Merely finding someone guilty of betraying public trust or just being drunk is enough to bar from high office. As far as constitutionality, well federal judges have been impeached and "convicted" in the past, post leaving office. We do have precedent for this. Now, with 45 GOP Senators already publicly opposing the trial, do I think it's worth it to continue? Not so much. But the ball is already rolling. Oh well.


The world would be better off without the impeachment "trial". The US constitution mangles jurisprudential terms like "trial, verdict, guilty, acquitted" with the legislative domain. As if an impeachment trial was a jurisprudential trial and not a political process. Impeachment comes from empecher, which is a French verb, and

It does not matter what "the majority" of Europeans think. Many Europeans do not grasp the roots of American power: Technology. Cooperation. Size. Natural resources. Soil. Climate. Foe-free geography. Currency union. Federal debt underwriting. Federal military bringing states to heel if need be. Grit. Russia is no big problem.

In fact Russia is 90% Godsend and 10% nuisance. Cultured. Cooperative. Perennial battle with inhospitable nature. Organized. Big.

GDreams
01-28-21, 02:43
Evey country is tired of China. Trump was the only leader with enough balls to stand up to China. Sleepy Joe owes China. His first executive order was to get back in the Paris Accord. Killing USA jobs and strengthening China industry as they don't have to follow same regulations until after 2030. He will reverse all Trump policies on fair trade and drop all tariffs. Sleepy Joe is just a puppet for Rice, Sanders and all the socialists.

Look at his first week.

Reverse Trump immigration policies. Now we have caravans starting from Central America because Biden promised open borders to them.

Stopped deportation so now people sneaking across the border (both criminal and possibly Covid carriers) can be released into the USA.Many countries like China because they provide real economic aid and infrastructure development. These days the US aid is pretty much military equipment to suppress restless populations. Those that are afraid of China are afraid because they can do little to influence Chinas economic power. Trump standing up to China was as effective as someone shouting at a brick wall. The ineffective tariff war was never going to succeed and cost the US more than it gained. It certainly did nothing to bring back manufacturing.

Are you not an immigrant to the US? I thing deporting you would a good first step. Biden is working to fix the root causes to prevent these caravans.

The illegals are there. Better to assess them and give a process to stay. Obama had no problem deporting bad actor illegals, I don't see Biden being different.

The only delay to people getting further stimulus cheques is the Republican members of the Senate who would rather cut off their dicks than give people in need money. The only people allowed to receive money from the Government are the super wealthy.

The Keystone pipeline was always doomed to be a failure. Stupid to have started it. The jobs are nothing to the economy a couple of thousand. The oil industry is a dying industry just like coal. The implementation of electric vehicles en mass will provide many more jobls in the roll out of renewable power and distribution networks.

Well you must be a socialist because you have been soaking up all the Trump lies and believed it! Still think the election was stolen?

Travv
01-28-21, 19:35
Washington DC—Trump has been reinstated as president so Democrats in Congress can be sure the impeachment trial will be constitutional.

Trump will resume serving as president effective immediately so that Democrats can vote on the article of impeachment filed against him.

"We must make Trump president again so we can constitutionally impeach him again," said Chuck Schumer. "It's the only way to be sure. Normally, we don't care about the Constitution, of course, but when you're talking about impeaching Trump, we have to make sure we get it just right. ".

Democrats everywhere approved of the move, saying they have had nothing to live for since Trump left office last week.

"I had all these protest signs and nothing to protest," said Portland-area BLM activist Jacob Brier excitedly as he got on his gas mask. "We tried firebombing the local DNC headquarters, but it just wasn't the same. Sure, we could protest Biden starting a new war in Syria, but it's more fun to protest war under a Republican president, even though Trump didn't start any. Feels more righteous-why. "

Semisatire Babylon Bee.

Golfinho
01-29-21, 00:48
Cultured and non-corrupt. Say what? They may have millennia of "culture" but their culture is certainly not something most nations or people aspire to. As for non-corrupt. What have you been smoking and where can I get some? I agree with much of your assessment, but not in these cases.Some people clearly have never experienced Chinese in action, turning a place to sh*t wherever they turn up (see: Sihanoukville). The one thing that their one-Party government has got right: social credit score. Anything that keeps the worst, the crudest, rudest and foulest of these Chinese from ever setting foot outside their Peoples' Republic cannot be a bad thing.

ShooBree
01-29-21, 12:21
Want to try again?

Maybe next time in English, S, Swede?

Your language problems makes you very hard to understand. Are you trying to communicate about your favorite anime character (s)?You must be the village idiot.

It seems to me that you're the one having "language problems". Maybe you can ask your mother to read the post for you.

ShooBree
01-29-21, 12:25
Some people clearly have never experienced Chinese in action, turning a place to sh*t wherever they turn up (see: Sihanoukville). The one thing that their one-Party government has got right: social credit score. Anything that keeps the worst, the crudest, rudest and foulest of these Chinese from ever setting foot outside their Peoples' Republic cannot be a bad thing.A friend of mine who used to travel extensively all over SEA told me that the Russians and Indians are a blessing compared to the Chinese.

Canada
01-29-21, 19:59
Many countries like China because they provide real economic aid and infrastructure development. These days the US aid is pretty much military equipment to suppress restless populations. Those that are afraid of China are afraid because they can do little to influence Chinas economic power. Trump standing up to China was as effective as someone shouting at a brick wall. The ineffective tariff war was never going to succeed and cost the US more than it gained. It certainly did nothing to bring back manufacturing.

Are you not an immigrant to the US? I thing deporting you would a good first step. Biden is working to fix the root causes to prevent these caravans.

The illegals are there. Better to assess them and give a process to stay. Obama had no problem deporting bad actor illegals, I don't see Biden being different.

The only delay to people getting further stimulus cheques is the Republican members of the Senate who would rather cut off their dicks than give people in need money. The only people allowed to receive money from the Government are the super wealthy.Obviously you don't live in USA or you only watch CNN.

USA has been collecting 10% -25% duty on $500 Billion annually China goods coming into USA with the Trump tarriffs which gave USA over $50 Billion which Trump used to create USA jobs and fund farmers and ranchers who were hurt with China retaliation. Consumers were not affected as China devaluyed their currency by 10% . More new manufacturing jobs came back to USA under Trump but not as many as were lost by the Obama fiasco. Tell me how this hurt the USA. You can't because it didn't.

Trump stopped the caravans and Biden during campaigning promised open borders for future illegal votes. Now Biden has to try to fix something he caused. Real smart!

You are right. The illegals are here. Some working hard taking jobs from usa citizens, some on our welfare system, some in gangs trafficking and selling drugs. What about all the immigrants that came legally and are paying taxes. Are they the stupid ones?? Should they be penalized for coming legally?

The only delay in the stimulus checks is Nancy pelosi and chuck Schumer. Republics and trump have approved numerous stimulus for all usa citizens and businesses. The reason this stimulus isn't getting opassed is because democrats have tied bull shit stuff to it. Covid stimulus shouldn't be fore illegals, for allowing more immigration for bailing out the democratic cities with all their failed policies. It should be for the citizens and businesss's that were hurt by covid. Not democratic wish lists.

The keystone pipeline means cheaper energy and safer transportation of oil. This only affects the poorer people who have trouble paying their bills. That oil now is coming by train and truck. Much costlier for Americans.

The implementation of green jobs will never materialize. Most of the solar panels are made in china. Oil is not going away. Solar and wind may someday get to 30% of our energy but will be too expensive for the majority of our citizens. Oil will just increase in price in USA. Are you really stupid enough to believe wind and solar can handle even 50% of our energy. Now wind and solar is about 5% of total energy. Do you realize how much your electric bill has gone up in the last 10 years just to get to 5% solar and wind. Well expect another 100% to 200% over the next 10 years.

Elections can't be stolen. I believe this election was as fair as all the other communist / socialistic countries like China, North Korea, Russia, Venezuela.

Canada
01-29-21, 20:04
Do you think this?

Because.

Every failed policy that trumpship would admit, were claimed to be Obama's fault!Please list one failed policy by Trump. I haven't heard one yet. And don't make one up from a CNN show.

Canada
01-29-21, 20:11
Mostly agree with this, regarding China and Russia anyway. And also regarding that most Europeans not grasping the root of American power and thus our attitude. I don't even think many liberal Americans grasp it, at least they don't seem to want to come to terms with what made America become a powerhouse. But some of those roots of power are now pretty inconsequential. Geographic isolation, free of nearby foes, shouldn't be anywhere near as beneficial with the current state of warfare. Even if we were plopped in between Russia and China, I'm not sure that geography and locale would be the most important factor in strategic planning. The economic globalization trend of acquiring natural resources and the push towards renewable energy may also also make that less of a factor. Who knows what the financial-currency picture will look like. Will the dollar remain the reserve currency? Will fiat currency at all? Blockchain-Crypto? Too many wildcards to rest on our past laurels.

The assessment of the Russia threat seems pretty fair with the exception of taking much stock in their role in the World Wars. Not sure this is the same Russia and I think their actions were probably out of self interest. But anyway, rarely do you see people articulating the Russian threat this way or citing their positive characteristics. Kudos.

I think regarding China, it should be hammered home that China is a rival rather than an enemy. The Chinese are practical and I'm sure they understand that war, whether military or economic, does not benefit them. As such, does anyone think that they would push their relationship with the west toward more conflict? Terms like threat and enemy seem to be weapons of cultural engineering to get the masses riled up..Obviously you are looking at a different China that I know. The China I know is the one that stole American and European technology and copied it. Everything from appliances, clothes textiles, steel making. They copy and make a lower quality product with cheap and child labor. The keep their people in a communist setting. You are saying that China competes fairly? That other countries admire this?

Mursenary
01-29-21, 20:52
The Keystone pipeline means cheaper energy and safer transportation of oil. This only affects the poorer people who have trouble paying their bills. That oil now is coming by train and truck. Much costlier for Americans.

The implementation of green jobs will never materialize. Most of the solar panels are made in China. Oil is not going away. Solar and wind may someday get to 30% of our energy but will be too expensive for the majority of our citizens. Oil will just increase in price in USA. Are you really stupid enough to believe wind and solar can handle even 50% of our energy. Now wind and solar is about 5% of total energy..I didn't realize that oil transport was such a safety concern. Or that we were so dependent on refining oil from Canada.

Green jobs eh? Would be a shame if a company known to be an industry disruptor with a tweet friendly, maverick CEO develops more innovative and disruptive ways to harvest and store energy to cars, homes, rockets to Mars.

Mursenary
01-29-21, 21:14
Obviously you are looking at a different China that I know. The China I know is the one that stole American and European technology and copied it. Everything from appliances, clothes textiles, steel making. They copy and make a lower quality product with cheap and child labor. The keep their people in a communist setting. You are saying that China competes fairly? That other countries admire this?Well, I'm guessing that income from stolen intellectual property is not and has not been their major source of income since the 70's. China isn't exactly known to export high-end, innovative technological goods. Exploiting western demands for outsourcing cheap manufacturing labor seems to be a big profit getter. Financial services by government-owned financial institutions might have been significant. Extending loans and financing other third world nations seems quite lucrative for them. Natural resource export seems to also be rather profitable for a one-regime government. Chinese banks and petroleum companies are some of the richest companies in the world. You don't have to like your rivals, but devaluing their strengths seems like a strategic miscalculation.

GDreams
01-29-21, 21:59
Obviously you don't live in USA or you only watch CNN.

USA has been collecting 10% -25% duty on $500 Billion annually China goods coming into USA with the Trump tarriffs which gave USA over $50 Billion which Trump used to create USA jobs and fund farmers and ranchers who were hurt with China retalliation. Consumers were not affected as China devaluyed their currency by 10% . More new manufacturing jobs came back to USA under Trump but not as many as were lost by the Obama fiasco. Tell me how this hurt the USA. YOU CAN"T BECAUSE IT DIDN"T.

Trump stopped the caravans and Biden during campaining promised open borders for future illegal votes. Now Biden has to try to fix something he caused. REAL SMART!

You are right. The illegals are here. Some working hard taking jobs from USA citizens, some on our welfare system, some in gangs trafficking and selling drugs. What about all the immigrants that came legally and are paying taxes. Are they the stupid ones?? Should they be penalized for coming legally?.No I don't. I visited the US and 35 other countries including China. It is obvious that China is on a path to surpass the US. Trump could not dent that because he was too busy burning allies that would help.

As for your manufacturing growth it was pretty close to zero for the US in 2019 prior to Covid. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/manufacturing-production..

So the tariffs went to buy farm votes, that really helped average Joe!

Stole technology? Trade with China helped Europe gain many useful technologies, The US aerospace benefitted from German scientists, Japan and Korean manufacturing provided much of the new technology for manufacturing.

England is now coal free in power generation. In 10 years it will be gas free as well. Solar and wind are cheaper. The gains are being made subsidy free. Texas has the highest portion of wind power in the US, are actively shutting down coal plants and expanding solar with the cheapest rates.

How is it that all these great insights you have are demonstrably incorrect.

Beijing4987
01-29-21, 22:32
Relax Trolls. The foam spewing from your mouth will short circuit your chinese made computer. The King has not fallen. Since USA is no longer a corporation, he'll take over in March with Q as Veep, according to plan. Anybody heard of the US diplomat George Kennan, the author of the "Long Telegram" -laying out the basis for decades of US policy towards the Soviet Union? He published his work under a pseudonym "X" Another retired diplomat with vast experience has posted a similar message, focusing on the need to blunt the effect of Xi Jin Ping as an authoritarian cult figure and persuade China to return to the pre 2013 path of status quo. China has learned a lesson (what went wrong) from the fall of the Soviet Union. Keenan's idea of "containment" worked against the Soviet Union because Kennan had identified the strategic flaws in their system. Trump was correct to sound the alarm on China, however his efforts at implementation were chaotic and contradictory. At root, the issue is that "strategic competition"is a declaration of doctrinal attitude, not a comprehensive strategy that has been put into practice. The uncomfortable truth is that China has long had an integrated internal strategy for handling the United States, and so far it's strategy has largely worked. A strategy that focuses more narrowly on Xi, rather than the CCP as a whole presents a more achievable objective. So, unless anyone here does not have the expertise of a George Keenan, please pipe down. Of course, I'm not either, I'm just copying an article I think defines the problem and a viable solution.

ScatManDoo
01-29-21, 22:40
Please list one failed policy by Trump. I haven't heard one yet. And don't make one up from a CNN show.Initial COVID testing and the emergency reserve of medical supplies.

Trump kept whining (in 2020) about Obama leaving the cupboards bare (more than 3 fucking years after Obama refused to mount an insurrection).

At the time, real news correspondents mocked Trumps assertion that Obama left him with a shortage of tests despite the coronavirus not even existing when Barack Obama was President.

EihTooms
01-30-21, 00:32
Please list one failed policy by Trump. I haven't heard one yet. And don't make one up from a CNN show.You mean like his trade war that drove the USA Trade Deficit to record highs, breaking the previous record under G.W.Bush?

Or his $2.5+ Trillion 2017 economic "stimulus" legislation that never produced a single year of 3% GDP growth, much less the "4, 5, maybe 6%" he predicted in order to sell it to us while producing far fewer jobs in his first 3 years in office with it than in the previous three years under Obama without it?

Or maybe his historic economic policy decision in 2018 to drastically cut the budget for the CDC and stop "wasting" so much money on the pandemic prevention and response systems put in place specifically to monitor and confine epidemic virus outbreaks within their region of origin so as not to wreak economic and health havoc around the world? Oh and to offset a few measily million dollars from the Trillion$ he added to the deficit on the previously mentioned economic "stimulus" legislation?

Or how about his non existent "terrific" healthcare policy that replaced the never repealed Obamacare?

Or maybe his highly effective "Drain the Swamp" policy?

Of course, there is always that "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" policy thingy.

To name a few. But then, he only had 4 years to produce failed policies.

Spidy
01-30-21, 01:15
So, the Proud Boys now judge Donald Trump "a total failure" and "extraordinarily weak. " The members of the far-right group understood at last that when the former president denounced them for doing what he incited them to do, they looked ridiculous.

How to save face? They couldn't concede that posting pictures of themselves engaged in a murderous assault on the USA Capitol was supremely stupid. No, it was that Trump was too cowardly to join them. But thinking that he would was also supremely stupid.

After winding the mob up with insane ranting about a "stolen election," Trump urged it to March to the Capitol to stop the counting of votes. "You'll never take back our country with weakness," he said. "And I'll be there with you. "

Of course, he wasn't there with them. It was some strange Neverland these Lost Boys came from. How else explain their expecting Trump to expose himself to the swarm, much less risk injury in a violent encounter?

While the boys were vandalizing, looting and threatening to hang elected officials, according to The Washington Post, Trump serenely watched the rampage on White House TVs. At a certain point, though, it dawned on the president that the unfolding horror was not in his interests. He conferred with advisers and lawyers to ensure he wouldn't take the rap for it. Thus, at 2:38 pm Eastern time, after a Capitol Police officer had already been killed, he tweeted, "Stay peaceful!" he then issued a video in which he told the herd to go home.

A day later, he condemned the blockheads for their "heinous attack" and said he was "outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem. " And to think that some of the Proud Boys actually expected a presidential pardon for their crimes.

The main objective here is not to point out the treachery of Trump. It's not even to question the right wing's willingness to believe that Trump hadn't lost. With all those conspiracy theories infesting their media and weeks of getting pounded by a charismatic speaker's liesone could envision their swallowing the nonsense that dark forces had denied victory to he whom they called "Emperor Trump."

The Proud Boys' grasp on reality was never all it could be, but still. The group had it together enough to closely follow Trump's 86 unsuccessful legal challenges to the election results. It should have been easier to note Trump's long history of covering his rear end and employing an army of lawyers to countersue those he had betrayed. But somehow, the Lost Boys thought they'd be an exception.

And so, they portrayed the double-cross as an unexpected abuse of what they imagined as their honor. They hit backor so they thought. "The Proud Boys Now Mock Trump" is how a New York Times headline characterized their criticism.

With all due respect to the headline writer, the people being mocked are the right-wing rioters facing criminal charges after being turned in by their children, ex-wives and (former) employers. Trump is back at Mar-a-Lago, smelling the sweet chlorine from his swimming pool and playing golf.

The insurrectionists now have their own lawyers. Despite the "heinous" nature of their acts, some of the legal advisers have taken the tack of portraying their clients as naive nitwits.

The lawyer representing the "QAnon Shaman" says the would-be actor regrets what he did but was duped by Trump. And he refers to his client in clownish termsas "the guy with the horns and the fur, the meditation and organic food. "

The Proud Boys are now saying in online posts that the group should drop politics and abandon both parties. They may be on to something, finally.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-proud-boys-return-to-neverland-opinion/ar-BB1d6FIsInevitable ending when dealing with a narcissist, such like "Agent Orange".

Travv
01-30-21, 03:07
"The border fencing around the Capitol is becoming permanent, and former president Trump has taken advantage of the opportunity by taking a photo op of himself crying at the border wall.

Trump took the heartfelt photos as he wept uncontrollably near the fence separating Americans from their representatives.

"Look at this horrible, racist wall! Sad! Not good!" Trump said as he wept near the fence. "No more congressmen in cages! Racism! Systemic oppression! The worst, maybe ever!

Trump then took a deep breath and began screaming at the sky: "NOOOOOOOOOOO!

Pictures from another angle quickly surfaced, however, and it was revealed that Trump was actually taking the picture in front of a green screen at his Mar-a-Lago resort. . . "

Semisatire Babylon Bee.

ShooBree
01-30-21, 11:23
As I've said before, Biden is the worst, most radical left-wing president USA has ever seen. Horrific.

https://mobile.twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/1351611017147666435

Biden would be considered too extreme to win an election in Europe.

PVMonger
01-30-21, 15:20
You mean like his trade war that drove the USA Trade Deficit to record highs, breaking the previous record under G.W.Bush?

Or his $2.5+ Trillion 2017 economic "stimulus" legislation that never produced a single year of 3% GDP growth, much less the "4, 5, maybe 6%" he predicted in order to sell it to us while producing far fewer jobs in his first 3 years in office with it than in the previous three years under Obama without it?

Or maybe his historic economic policy decision in 2018 to drastically cut the budget for the CDC and stop "wasting" so much money on the pandemic prevention and response systems put in place specifically to monitor and confine epidemic virus outbreaks within their region of origin so as not to wreak economic and health havoc around the world? Oh and to offset a few measily million dollars from the Trillion$ he added to the deficit on the previously mentioned economic "stimulus" legislation?

Or how about his non existent "terrific" healthcare policy that replaced the never repealed Obamacare?

Or maybe his highly effective "Drain the Swamp" policy?

Of course, there is always that "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" policy thingy.

To name a few. But then, he only had 4 years to produce failed policies.Also, the "strong economy" that was built on credit. http://www.crfb.org/blogs/deficit-has-never-been-high-when-economy-was-strong.

ShooBree
01-31-21, 10:37
Paulie, the truth is out. It's hilarious how some libtards fell for the lies.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/28/politics/andrew-cuomo-covid-19-new-york/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

Canada
01-31-21, 16:41
You mean like his trade war that drove the USA Trade Deficit to record highs, breaking the previous record under G.W.Bush?

Or his $2.5+ Trillion 2017 economic "stimulus" legislation that never produced a single year of 3% GDP growth, much less the "4, 5, maybe 6%" he predicted in order to sell it to us while producing far fewer jobs in his first 3 years in office with it than in the previous three years under Obama without it?

Or maybe his historic economic policy decision in 2018 to drastically cut the budget for the CDC and stop "wasting" so much money on the pandemic prevention and response systems put in place specifically to monitor and confine epidemic virus outbreaks within their region of origin so as not to wreak economic and health havoc around the world? Oh and to offset a few measily million dollars from the Trillion$ he added to the deficit on the previously mentioned economic "stimulus" legislation?

Or how about his non existent "terrific" healthcare policy that replaced the never repealed Obamacare?

Or maybe his highly effective "Drain the Swamp" policy?

Of course, there is always that "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" policy thingy.

To name a few. But then, he only had 4 years to produce failed policies.You can't fix stupid.

Canada
01-31-21, 16:43
Initial COVID testing and the emergency reserve of medical supplies.

Trump kept whining (in 2020) about Obama leaving the cupboards bare (more than 3 fucking years after Obama refused to mount an insurrection).

At the time, real news correspondents mocked Trumps assertion that Obama left him with a shortage of tests despite the coronavirus not even existing when Barack Obama was President.You are kidding right? You can't fix stupid.

Canada
01-31-21, 16:48
No I don't. I visited the US and 35 other countries including China. It is obvious that China is on a path to surpass the US. Trump could not dent that because he was too busy burning allies that would help.

As for your manufacturing growth it was pretty close to zero for the US in 2019 prior to Covid. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/manufacturing-production..

So the tariffs went to buy farm votes, that really helped average Joe!

Stole technology? Trade with China helped Europe gain many useful technologies, The US aerospace benefitted from German scientists, Japan and Korean manufacturing provided much of the new technology for manufacturing.

England is now coal free in power generation. In 10 years it will be gas free as well. Solar and wind are cheaper. The gains are being made subsidy free. Texas has the highest portion of wind power in the US, are actively shutting down coal plants and expanding solar with the cheapest rates.

How is it that all these great insights you have are demonstrably incorrect.You are kidding Right? How much has electric bill decreased since we introduced this cheap wind and solar energy over the past 10 years. Every country electric bills increased dramaticaly with green power. Liberals tell you how cheap this new electricity will be while their bills skyrocket.

Canada
01-31-21, 17:22
I didn't realize that oil transport was such a safety concern. Or that we were so dependent on refining oil from Canada.

Green jobs eh? Would be a shame if a company known to be an industry disruptor with a tweet friendly, maverick CEO develops more innovative and disruptive ways to harvest and store energy to cars, homes, rockets to Mars.Yes some refineries in USA are reliant on heavy oil. If it doesn't come from Canada it will probably have to come from Venezuela or another foreign country. It is a safety concern because it will have to be shipped on rail and by truck. It is more likely to be spilled by trucks or rail than by pipeline. Also all the states the pipeline is in gets revenues from every barrel of oil transported through the pipeline so it hurts several states revenues for infrastructure and schools. Where are all the jobs now for this new green energy? Also every state is going to have to add thousands of new wind turbines that are so beautiful to look at. California will need to add over 100,000 windmills to meet the demand. They are going to look great on the beaches. Also with windmills we will lose all our birds in the USA as currently they kill thousands every week. Wait until we increase that by 20 times.

ScatManDoo
01-31-21, 17:51
You are kidding right? You can't fix stupid.That's why TrunpShip was mocked so much by educated journalists.

Canada
01-31-21, 17:52
In Bidens first 10 days signed 28 executive orders when previous presidents did 3-7. Trump did 7 and CNN went ballistic with his abuse of power. Biden effectively in 10 days killed hundreds of thousands of jobs in the oil industry, pipelines and manufacturing. Biden response yesterday was: These hundreds of thousands of people will have better jobs in the future so just suffer and starve to death until the future. Biden does not realize we are living today and not in the future. Today he is bragging that he rejoined the Paris Peace Accord which strengthens China. In the Paris accord USA has to cut their emissions by about 3% per year which they pretty much have been doing in the past 5 years. Total world emissions for USA is currently about 13%. China currently is at 26%. USA has to cut by 3% per year. China and India do not have to cut. In fact they can increase as much as they want until 2030. So if USA cuts their emissions by 50% by 2030 (Biden wants 70%) USA will produce 7% of the world emissions. China will increase to about 40% and India will increase another 10%. So by 2030 the world emissions will be about 120% of what they are today. USA will have hurt the energy business, steel business, car manufactures and almost 50% of the industries to accomplish nothing. Since India and China do not have to start cutting until 2030 they may actually double or triple their emissions by 2030 so they can start cutting by 3% in 2031.

I agree their is a place for green energy in the future by why do we want to ruin the lives of millions of USA citizens.

Spidy
01-31-21, 20:21
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/10/arnold-schwarzenegger-trump-remembered-worst-presi/

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/12/28/2004500/-Trump-Is-The-Worst-President-Of-All-Time

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/politics/trump-presidency-history-analysis/index.html

"Agent Orange", worst president in history. Even the, Republican Ex-Govenor "The Terminator", Arnold Schwarzenegger: Trump 'will go down in history as the worst president ever'. Well at least he got that right.

But according to "The Terminator", "Agent Orange", WON'T BE BACK. Kkkkkkkkkk!

Spidy
01-31-21, 20:27
A majority of Europeans believe America's political system is broken, that China will be the world's leading power within a decade, and that Joe Biden will be unable to halt his country's decline on the world stage, according to a report.

While many welcomed Biden's victory in November's US election, more Europeans than not feel that after four years of Donald Trump the US cannot be trusted, according to the study by the European Council on Foreign Relations.

"Europeans like Biden, but they don't think America will come back as a global leader," said the thinktank's director, Mark Leonard. "When George W Bush was president, they were divided about how America should use its power. With Biden entering the White House, they are divided about whether America has power at all."

The survey of 15,000 people in 11 European countries, conducted at the end of last year, found that the shift in European sentiment towards the US in the wake of the Trump presidency had led to a corresponding unwillingness to support Washington in potential international disputes.

At least half of respondents in all 11 countries surveyed felt, for example, that their government should remain neutral in any conflict between the US and China, while no more than 40% in any country said they would back Washington against Russia.

"It's clear that the tumultuous Trump presidency has left an indelible imprint on Europe's attitude towards the US," said Ivan Krastev, chair of the Centre for Liberal Strategies, an NGO in Sofia, and an ECFR board member. "The majority of Europeans are now sceptical about the capacity of the US to shape the world. It makes many, rightly or wrongly, want to opt for a more independent role for the EU in the world."

In their report, Leonard and Krastev note that while more than 60% of those polled believed the US was "broken", most evaluated the EU and their own countries' systems much more positively an opportunity, they argue, to harness the collective power of the bloc for the benefit and protection of its citizens.

The survey found that 51% of those polled did not agree with the statement that under Biden the US was likely to resolve its internal divisions and seek to address international issues such as climate change, peace in the Middle East, relations with China or European security.

Amid a widespread sense of growing Chinese superiority, 79% of those polled in Spain, 72% in Portugal, 72% in Italy and 63% in France said they thought China would overtake the US as the world's leading superpower within the next decade.

Just over 32% of all respondents and a startling 53% of respondents in Germany felt that after voting for Trump, Americans could not be trusted. Only in Hungary and Poland did significantly more people disagree with that view than agree.

Just 10% of those polled saw the US as a "reliable" security partner that would always protect Europe, while at least 60% in every country polled said they doubted their country could depend on US support in the event of a crisis.

The authors say the geopolitical consequences of this shift are significant: two-thirds of those surveyed said it was now important that Europe look after its own defence, including 72% in Portugal, 71% in Sweden, 70% in France and 69% in Poland.

At least half of respondents in every country surveyed said they would prefer their government to be neutral in a conflict between the US and China. Across the 11 states surveyed, only 23% of respondents thought their country should take Washington's side against Russia, with 59% preferring to remain neutral.

Between 38% and 48% of respondents in seven countries thought the EU should adopt a tougher international stance on issues such as trade, taxation and regulation, while most countries considered Germany was now a more important country to "have a good relationship" with than the US.

The poll also revealed that in nine of the 11 countries Denmark, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland, Spain and Sweden where the same question was asked in previous years, the average share of people saying the EU's political system worked very or fairly well had risen from 46% to 48%.

It found that people who believed their own national political system was working, which was more often the case in northern than in southern Europe, were more likely to say the EU was a success.

The report identified four "tribes" that went a long way to grouping respondents' positions, depending on whether they felt the EU, US or China were rising or declining. The biggest tribe, "In Europe we trust", comprised 35% of respondents, while only 9% belonged to "In America we trust".

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/majority-of-europeans-say-china-will-overtake-broken-us-within-decade/ar-BB1cSkOBChina, who owns an estimated $1. 1 trillion in USA Treasuries.

Inevitable! I'm just waiting for China to snap it's fingers!

Canada
01-31-21, 22:15
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/10/arnold-schwarzenegger-trump-remembered-worst-presi/

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/12/28/2004500/-Trump-Is-The-Worst-President-Of-All-Time

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/20/politics/trump-presidency-history-analysis/index.html

"Agent Orange", worst president in history. Even the, Republican Ex-Govenor "The Terminator", Arnold Schwarzenegger: Trump 'will go down in history as the worst president ever'. Well at least he got that right.

But according to "The Terminator", "Agent Orange", WON'T BE BACK. Kkkkkkkkkk!It is official that 3 liberal agencies call Trump worst ever even before he took office. Do I need to find 4 conservative agencies to explain how much worse Obama was? You probably believe CNN is not liberal will report Biden the same way they reported Trump.

Biden will be even worse than Obama based on his first 10 days. It should be a fun election in 2022👍.

Travv
01-31-21, 22:33
Trump was breaking up the China trade where US jobs and factories were shipped overseas and the owners profited by using Chinese slave labor by firing their US workforce. Apple and Nike come to mind. Trump was jacking up the import taxes on Chinese goods, screwing up this profitable trade at the expense of American workers so he had to go. As Abraham Lincoln was also a strong advocate of import taxes to encourage US manufacturing jobs, he was also an advocate of US manufacturing goods in US factories using US workers, so this has a strong precedent in US history. But this benefits US workers and not the factory owners. China wanted him gone and so did the Establishment. Follow the money. Trump wasn't good, but he was better than Hillary or Jao Xiden. At least he wasn't a professional political parasite who lived off a government paycheck for most of his life. Looks like a bunch of Robinhood rebels are hitting the Big Guys on Wall Street this week. If they can't get a good paying job due to the China Covid shutdown and China taking US jobs, they can form wolf packs and hunt Hedgies on Gamestop. LOL.


China, who owns an estimated $1. 1 trillion in USA Treasuries.

Inevitable! I'm just waiting for China to snap it's fingers!

Spidy
01-31-21, 23:14
It is official that 3 liberal agencies call Trump worst ever even before he took office ...Perhaps you should have listened.

Golfinho
01-31-21, 23:15
Biden will be even worse than Obama based on his first 10 days. It should be a fun election in 2022.All the Biden supporters must be enthralled by his choice for Assistant Secretary of Health. Maybe some here may even want to date 'her'. https://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/biden-nominates-dr-rachel-levine-assistant-secretary-health.

Vagabundo1
01-31-21, 23:38
Bolsonaro is President until 2022!

Just sayin. Haha.


It is official that 3 liberal agencies call Trump worst ever even before he took office. Do I need to find 4 conservative agencies to explain how much worse Obama was? You probably believe CNN is not liberal will report Biden the same way they reported Trump.

Biden will be even worse than Obama based on his first 10 days. It should be a fun election in 2022👍.

Spidy
02-01-21, 01:46
It is official that 3 liberal agencies call Trump worst ever even before he took office. Do I need to find 4 conservative agencies to explain how much worse Obama was? You probably believe CNN is not liberal will report Biden the same way they reported Trump.

Biden will be even worse than Obama based on his first 10 days. It should be a fun election in 2022👍.The same can easily be said about "Foxy" News. Do you think they will report Biden the same way they reported "Agent Orange"?

But I'll give you this much, "Foxy" News, did inevitably come to their senses, w/r to the election results. FINALLY!

Goatscrot
02-01-21, 01:54
China, who owns an estimated $1. 1 trillion in USA Treasuries.

Inevitable! I'm just waiting for China to snap it's fingers!Learn how modern fiat currencies work. A coin could be minted to pay off that "debt" at any time. The "debt" is simply the amount of currency in circulation that hasn't been taxed back. Taxes are really not necessary to pay for what most of the federal government spends. As long as there is productive capacity, natural resources and labor, there is no worry of hyperinflation. So no, China does not have the United States by the balls, not by any stretch of the imagination. And tariffs are simply passed on to the United States consumer. Whether we like it or not China is here to stay. We live in a multi-polar world now. And I would say that having one superpower has not been good for the planet. I am no fan of the CCP (China was actually much more open and less oppressive before the Xi regime), but 80% of the people who have been raised out of poverty in the last 30 years are Chinese. I do think for the United States and the world cooperative efforts will yield better results than antagonism.

Spidy
02-01-21, 04:55
Learn how modern fiat currencies work. A coin could be minted to pay off that "debt" at any time. The "debt" is simply the amount of currency in circulation that hasn't been taxed back. Taxes are really not necessary to pay for what most of the federal government spends. As long as there is productive capacity, natural resources and labor, there is no worry of hyperinflation.Sorry, I can't speak to your "minted coin" reasoning. Simply put, most countries (or business for that matter) pay back debt, by taking-in more than they spend.


So no, China does not have the United States by the balls, not by any stretch of the imagination. Okay, perhaps not just yet. Or it that they are just squeezing tighter?


And tariffs are simply passed on to the United States consumer. Whether we like it or not China is here to stay. We live in a multi-polar world now. And I would say that having one superpower has not been good for the planet. I am no fan of the CCP (China was actually much more open and less oppressive before the Xi regime), but 80% of the people who have been raised out of poverty in the last 30 years are Chinese. I do think for the United States and the world cooperative efforts will yield better results than antagonism.This we can agree upon.

US Treasures are generally considered one of the safest bonds around in global investment markets. That is of course, while the world see still sees the US, as a stable country to invest in (for now).

Unstable US administrations, regimes and insurrections, like the one we just had, will only serve bolster countries like Russia and China to undermine our stability to repay our debt and the US dollar as the world's reserve currency.

Goatscrot
02-01-21, 14:42
Sorry, I can't speak to your "minted coin" reasoning. Simply put, most countries (or business for that matter) pay back debt, by taking-in more than they spend.My point is there is really no debt. The "debt" so to speak is simply the amount of dollars in circulation that have not been taxed back. And if the so-called debt is denominated in your currency and you are the sole currency issuer then there is no reason that you cannot pay off that so-called debt at any point. And again there is no worry of hyperinflation as long as there is productive capacity. The US is nowhere near its productive capacity. Our problems in the United States are not a result of monetary policy, they are a result of fiscal policy. And we have no one else to blame but ourselves as we have created a system of government that has legalized payola in the form of lobbying and we continue to elect politicians from two parties that are completely vested into the corrupt system.

ShooBree
02-01-21, 15:48
Perhaps you should have listened.Even Democrats are acknowledging the fact that Biden's policies are bad for regular Americans.

Biden's a left wing extremist.

Paulie97
02-01-21, 16:39
And we have no one else to blame but ourselves as we have created a system of government that has legalized payola in the form of lobbying and we continue to elect politicians from two parties that are completely vested into the corrupt system.We are a country that values freedoms. That includes the first amendment and the right to make campaign contributions which relate to our interests. Calling it "corrupt" doesn't make it "corrupt. " You were right the first time though when you called it legal. There are though some disclosure requirements and limitations, and you are free to withhold support from candidates that accept $ from certain entities.

I mean in the past you've been in here supporting full on socialism in the way of worker cooperatives. The Crazy Bernies have had their chance at national politics. Better luck next time.

GDreams
02-01-21, 17:15
The Biden administration plans to review the phase one USA -China trade deal, White House press secretary Jen Psaki said on Friday. Based on publicly available data, it's hard to imagine they'll find anything other than a debacle.

Driving the news: China isn't even close to fulfilling its end of the deal — having come up 42% short of its commitment, Chad Bown, a fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, reported late last week.

The phase one deal was meant to be the Trump administration's reward for USA Farmers, manufacturers and other business owners who had been bludgeoned by Trump's tax on American businesses via the trade war's tariffs.

What was supposed to happen: The trade war was billed as a plan to bring China to its knees by choking off the all-important American market with 25% tariffs on many imports that would rein in the USA Trade deficit, boost American exports and slow China's rise as a global superpower.

What really happened: "The trade war with China hurt the US economy and failed to achieve major policy goals," a recent study commissioned by the USA -China Business Council argues, finding that the trade war reduced economic growth and cost the USA 245,000 jobs.

Last year, the USA Trade deficit widened to its largest on record. In the fourth quarter, the USA Goods trade deficit hit its highest share of GDP since 2012 and the USA Current account deficit jumped to its highest level in more than 12 years in the third quarter.

Foreign direct investment to the USA Fell 49% in 2020 — outpacing the overall global decrease of 42%.

These trends had all been moving in this direction since 2017, and were accelerated by the coronavirus pandemic as Trump refused to remove tariffs despite their strain on businesses.

The big picture: "The tariffs forced American companies to accept lower profit margins, cut wages and jobs for USA Workers, defer potential wage hikes or expansions, and raise prices for American consumers or companies," analysts at Brookings noted in August.

The other side: China's trade surplus last year hit a record $535 billion, up 27% from 2019. Exports rose 21.1% in dollar terms in November year over year and 18.1% in December from a year earlier, touching an all-time high.

For the full year, the trade surplus with the USA Was $317 billion, 7% higher than in 2019.

Foreign direct investment to China rose 4% to $163 billion.

Reproduced from Peterson Institute for International Economics; Chart: Axios Visuals.

Most economists agree that trade deficits don't actually hurt an economy. And while the USA Trade deficit with China did decrease somewhat during Trump's time in office, the deficit increased with other countries and overall.

Meanwhile, China's trade surplus and its trade with other countries increased.

The bottom line: In addition to hurting USA Businesses and workers, tariffs also drive up prices, and inflation expectations are starting to rise.

The USA Current account deficit also is helping further weigh down the value of the dollar, economists say, another factor that could boost inflation.

Travv
02-01-21, 17:31
"Washington D. C. —For a long while now, the climate has been undergoing a change to become more like the climate it feels it should be. While many have embraced this, a number of intolerant people just won't accept this change. This includes 78-year-old President Joe Biden, who, in another example of executive overreach, signed numerous executive orders to try to stop the climate from evolving.

"I remember how the climate was back when I was a kid and going to the movies only cost a nickel," Biden rambled to the press, "and that's the way it always should be!

This is a stark change from the Trump administration, which always accepted the climate and didn't force it to be something it didn't want to be. President Trump even helped the climate undergo carbon dioxide treatment to assist in its change.

The new Biden executive orders effectively deny the climate's existence, saying they will only accept the climate as valid if it's cooler. Experts are unsure what psychological effects this will have on the climate, but many expect it to lash out with hurricanes and such. . ."

Semisatire Babylon Bee.

Golfinho
02-01-21, 18:41
Sorry, I can't speak to your "minted coin" reasoning. Simply put, most countries (or business for that matter) pay back debt, by taking-in more than they spend..Simply put: A debt that cannot be repaid, won't be repaid. (Economics 101).

Simply put, most indebted countries (or businesses for that matter) either default or have their debts restructured, or have their infrastructure and assets sold off and 'privatized'.

The fiat money issuer can theoretically 'mint' a trillion-dollar coin and stick it in the Federal Reserve's Treasury account. The concept has been out there for a while now.

Beijing4987
02-01-21, 21:15
Quoting Abraham Lincoln is in vogue these days. Hey, he had a war to attend that was draining the coffers, so he instituted a 3% income tax on everything over $800 per year. And he taxed imports to prove that tariffs work against those trying to rape the good old USA. Ronnie "Star Wars" Ray Gun had a few zingers: "trees cause pollution, ketchup is a vegetable" tomato 🍅 Said he dint trade rockets for hostages in Lebanon, though the facts dispute his feeling. George HW Bush pardoned all the culprits in this scandal to protect himself. USA has a checkered history in central and South America and around the world.

ChuchoLoco
02-01-21, 21:37
Quoting Abraham Lincoln is in vogue these days. Hey, he had a war to attend that was draining the coffers, so he instituted a 3% income tax on everything over $800 per year. And he taxed imports to prove that tariffs work against those trying to rape the good old USA. Ronnie "Star Wars" Ray Gun had a few zingers: "trees cause pollution, ketchup is a vegetable" tomato 🍅 Said he dint trade rockets for hostages in Lebanon, though the facts dispute his feeling. George HW Bush pardoned all the culprits in this scandal to protect himself. USA has a checkered history in central and South America and around the world.Don't forget Iran Contra and all that white shit they dealt and all the Nicaraguans who were killed and all the crack heads who they helped create.

Spidy
02-01-21, 21:46
And we have no one else to blame but ourselves as we have created a system of government that has legalized payola in the form of lobbying and we continue to elect politicians from two parties that are completely vested into the corrupt system.If what you're saying is, "....we need to take money out of politics", then I agree. Especially 'big donor money'.

Spidy
02-01-21, 21:59
Simply put: A debt that cannot be repaid, won't be repaid. (Economics 101).

Simply put, most indebted countries (or businesses for that matter) either default or have their debts restructured, or have their infrastructure and assets sold off and 'privatized'.Sure if you've defaulted on your debts. The US has never defaulted on its debts.

I was referring to actually paying off your debts.

Golfinho
02-01-21, 23:04
Simply put, most countries (or business for that matter) pay back debt, by taking-in more than they spend.The US debt will never be repaid. Be under no illusions. But no need to lose sleep over it.

Beijing4987
02-02-21, 00:22
Look it up on the internet. From "the creature from Jekyll Island 🌴: "The method by which the Federal Reserve creates momey out of nothing: the concept of usury as the payment of interest on pretend loans; the true cost of the hidden tax called inflation; the way in which the Fed. (Creature) creates boom-bust 💥 🕳 cycles" A tv program hosted by Glenn Beck discussing this may have led to the cancellation of said TV program.

Horatio
02-02-21, 01:30
The US defaulted when it went off the gold standard.


Sure if you've defaulted on your debts. The US has never defaulted on its debts.

I was referring to actually paying off your debts.

Goatscrot
02-02-21, 05:16
We are a country that values freedoms. That includes the first amendment and the right to make campaign contributions which relate to our interests. Calling it "corrupt" doesn't make it "corrupt. " You were right the first time though when you called it legal. There are though some disclosure requirements and limitations, and you are free to withhold support from candidates that accept $ from certain entities.

I mean in the past you've been in here supporting full on socialism in the way of worker cooperatives. The Crazy Bernies have had their chance at national politics. Better luck next time.The longer I live away from America, which has been two decades plus now, the more I find the American definition of freedom comical and sad. Freedom? Well, I when you don't have to worry about healthcare costs, education for your children, a nice pension, a living wage, and enough time off to enjoy it, and to pursue some of the things that you enjoy, and have a good social safety net under you in case you lose your job, then you're free. As long as you're stressed and worrying where the next paycheck comes from and have to, "work for a living," then you're really not free.

And yes I do believe that the balance of power between labor and capital must be maintained and the only way to maintain it is through proper regulation and legislation.

Goatscrot
02-02-21, 05:17
The US defaulted when it went off the gold standard.One of the smartest moves the US ever made. I don't know why anyone would want to use specie currency. It's way too restrictive.

GDreams
02-02-21, 07:35
You are kidding Right? How much has electric bill decreased since we introduced this cheap wind and solar energy over the past 10 years. Every country electric bills increased dramaticaly with green power. Liberals tell you how cheap this new electricity will be while their bills skyrocket.Once again Canada you just spew unsubstantiated drivel with no basis in fact.

Here are some examples: https://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/sa-wholesale-electricity/?utm_campaign=sq_news_weekly&utm_content=210202%20weekly%20newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=getresponse.

South Australia gets 60% of its power from renewables. It now has the lowest wholesale prices in Australia. Around 2.8 USc kWhr. Its dropped from being the most expensive in Australia when the supply was predominately gas fired to the lowest.

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2019/10/10/dubais-900-mw-solar-tender-sees-lowest-bid-of-0-0169-kwh/

UAE solar park tendering power at 1.7 USc per kWhr.

There are many examples but you don't want to acknowledge the truth you just want to be a rah rah boy for the idiot party of science deniers.

Travv
02-02-21, 08:01
Gold or silver backed currency has the effect of encouraging countries to manufacture and export to gain gold or silver to maintain the value of their currency. On gold and silver backed dollars, the USA became a major manufacturer. Once Nixon went off the gold backed dollar, the USA no longer needed to export to gain gold and silver from other countries. Thus the USA did not protest when China bought up large numbers of US factories and shipped them to China. We went from manufacturing hard goods to manufacturing green pieces of paper with dead politicians printed on the front. As one analyst put it, the USA has the export profile of an agrarian colony of China. We ship them soybeans, corn and meat and cardboard / wood and they ship us manufactured goods. Sort of like the American colonies and Great Britain before the revolutionary war. This works great until you go to war and realize you are no longer "the arsenal of democracy" and other countries can cut off your war supplies. . .


One of the smartest moves the US ever made. I don't know why anyone would want to use specie currency. It's way too restrictive.

Canada
02-02-21, 18:21
Once again Canada you just spew unsubstantiated drivel with no basis in fact.

Here are some examples: https://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/sa-wholesale-electricity/?utm_campaign=sq_news_weekly&utm_content=210202%20weekly%20newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=getresponse.

South Australia gets 60% of its power from renewables. It now has the lowest wholesale prices in Australia. Around 2.8 USc kWhr. Its dropped from being the most expensive in Australia when the supply was predominately gas fired to the lowest.

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2019/10/10/dubais-900-mw-solar-tender-sees-lowest-bid-of-0-0169-kwh/

UAE solar park tendering power at 1.7 USc per kWhr.

There are many examples but you don't want to acknowledge the truth you just want to be a rah rah boy for the idiot party of science deniers.I read your articles and The writer of your article said this.

Wholesale electricity spot price in 2021 cents per kilowatt hour.

To make myself look useful and hide the fact I sneakily pay a guy in the Philippines $2 an hour to write these articles, I've accounted for inflation by converting the average wholesale spot prices for each financial year into today's money. This is so people can see the real trends in electricity prices and not have inflation mislead them into thinking things are worse than they are.

The USA Energy Information Administration (EIA) says this.

2019 US wholesale solar prices more than double wind, gas as renewables use reaches record levels: EIA.

Dive Brief:

According to the USA Energy Information Administration (EIA), last year the average USA Wholesale price for solar electricity was $83/ MWh more than double the price paid to producers of electricity generated by wind, fossil fuels, or nuclear.

The United States' use of renewable energy grew for the fourth consecutive year, to account for 11% of total energy consumption in 2019, according to the agency.

California's high prices largely skewed the national average roughly a third of USA Solar capacity is located in California, where the average wholesale price of electricity is more than double the the national average of $36/ MWh.

I think the EIS is more reliable than a guy in the Philippines that was paid $2.

This site is a little more accurate. utilitydive.com/ news /2019-us-wholesale-solar-prices-more-than-double-wind-gas-nuclear-eia /587364/.

I guess you are the only one in USA that is getting this cheap power while the rest of us just keep getting power bill increases.

Golfinho
02-02-21, 20:41
Gold or silver backed currency has the effect of encouraging countries to manufacture and export to gain gold or silver to maintain the value of their currency. We went from manufacturing hard goods to manufacturing green pieces of paper with dead politicians printed on the front. As one analyst put it, the USA has the export profile of an agrarian colony of Chinaa. This works great until you go to war and realize you are no longer "the arsenal of democracy" and other countries can cut off your war supplies. . .Doesn't matter to the Zuckerburgs and Kushners of the world. Their little piglets are being taught Chinese. They have no loyalty to the United States of America.

ScatManDoo
02-02-21, 22:33
A majority of Europeans believe America's political system is broken, that China will be the world's leading power within a decade, and that Joe Biden will be unable to halt his country's decline on the world stage, according to a report.

While many welcomed Biden's victory in November's US election, more Europeans than not feel that after four years of Donald Trump the US cannot be trusted, according to the study by the European Council on Foreign Relations.Maybe because hundreds of elected republicans are still willing to foolishly obey that empty, orange suit full of shit.

Goatscrot
02-03-21, 00:37
Gold or silver backed currency has the effect of encouraging countries to manufacture and export to gain gold or silver to maintain the value of their currency. On gold and silver backed dollars, the USA became a major manufacturer. Once Nixon went off the gold backed dollar, the USA no longer needed to export to gain gold and silver from other countries. Thus the USA did not protest when China bought up large numbers of US factories and shipped them to China. We went from manufacturing hard goods to manufacturing green pieces of paper with dead politicians printed on the front. As one analyst put it, the USA has the export profile of an agrarian colony of China. We ship them soybeans, corn and meat and cardboard / wood and they ship us manufactured goods. Sort of like the American colonies and Great Britain before the revolutionary war. This works great until you go to war and realize you are no longer "the arsenal of democracy" and other countries can cut off your war supplies. . .Huh? Capitalism by its nature chases cheap labor. As Nations develop economically cheap labor is no longer available. I would argue this has nothing to do with using a fiat currency but it is simply the nature of corporate capitalism and one of its extreme shortcomings. Many European nations have been able to maintain if not improve quality of life for their citizens even though they do not have the manufacturing base that they used to. Unfortunately the United States is going in the opposite direction.

GDreams
02-03-21, 01:48
California's high prices largely skewed the national average roughly a third of USA Solar capacity is located in California, where the average wholesale price of electricity is more than double the the national average of $36/ MWh.Here are a list of solar projects contracted out at less than $25 unsubsidized. You are deluding yourself if you think solar and wind are not going to keep putting coal out of business. Gas will be around for a while as a on / off supplier.

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/8-countries-besides-the-us-with-solar-under-25-per-megawatt-hour

Then again pretty much everything you write shows how much you delude yourself.

Travv
02-03-21, 20:36
USA —Democrat leaders around the country are declaring it is now safe to reopen since the federal government's tests have come back negative for Trump.

"The key indicator we were looking for before we could begin the reopening process was that Trump wasn't president," said Governor Gavin Newsom. "While we are at the worst point yet in this pandemic, it now makes sense to open-- even though the science said the exact opposite last year when it was comparably mild. Because now, all the tests are indicating we have tested negative for Trump."

Governor Cuomo agreed, saying that all his key science experts -- the ones who haven't quit yet in disgust -- are advising him to go ahead and reopen since the tests are coming back negative for Trump. "When the tests were positive some weeks ago, we were pretty concerned," Cuomo told a reporter down by the docks as he threw a dead senior into the harbor. "Now, the tests are all looking really good for Democrats, so we're going to go ahead and get started."

Governor Whitmer last year cast a spell on Michigan so it would be always winter and never Christmas, but she says she is canceling the spell now and encouraging Michiganders to celebrate "the true Christmas: Biden getting elected."

Mursenary
02-03-21, 23:52
Maybe because hundreds of elected republicans are still willing to foolishly obey that empty, orange suit full of shit.Agree with your description of the orange ape but remember that Trump was not the cause, he was just the vessel (the container) that vocalized what a significant part of the populace was already feeling.

Those people have always been around, but the formation of the Tea Party movement was the official christening of that vessel (the ship). Even before that movement, there were already signs that these people desired a voice. John McCain in 2008 didn't pick Sarah Palin as his running mate because they shared identical platforms and ideologies. He knew something was already brewing in the Republican Party and chose to court those people.

To me, as much as I liked McCain, his selection of Palin as Vice Presidential nominee foreshadowed the end of any good outcomes for the Republican Party. It's sad as the Tea Party had good intent consistent with ideal conservative / libertarian values: small government, less spending, a higher threshold for foreign military involvement, etc.

Unfortunately due to the decentralized nature of the movement, some sectors began incorporating social issues into the sphere of platforms. Those social issues derailed the good intents of a reformed government and led to what the Republican Party has become; shortsighted, xenophobic cultural conformists, irrational, anti-intellectual. I held on to see if the GoP would gather some sense only to see Donald Trump become the Kamikaze ending to that hope.

In short, it's not the bowing to the emperor that we have to worry about. It's the actual sentiments of at least half of the party. It saddens me to say that this IS the Republican party now, with or without Trump.

GDreams
02-04-21, 03:06
Those social issues derailed the good intents of a reformed government and led to what the Republican Party has become; shortsighted, xenophobic cultural conformists, irrational, anti-intellectual. I held on to see if the GoP would gather some sense only to see Donald Trump become the Kamikaze ending to that hope.A perfect description of Evangelicals.

PVMonger
02-04-21, 14:58
Agree with your description of the orange ape but remember that Trump was not the cause, he was just the vessel (the container) that vocalized what a significant part of the populace was already feeling.

Those people have always been around, but the formation of the Tea Party movement was the official christening of that vessel (the ship). Even before that movement, there were already signs that these people desired a voice. John McCain in 2008 didn't pick Sarah Palin as his running mate because they shared identical platforms and ideologies. He knew something was already brewing in the Republican Party and chose to court those people.

To me, as much as I liked McCain, his selection of Palin as Vice Presidential nominee foreshadowed the end of any good outcomes for the Republican Party. It's sad as the Tea Party had good intent consistent with ideal conservative / libertarian values: small government, less spending, a higher threshold for foreign military involvement, etc.

Unfortunately due to the decentralized nature of the movement, some sectors began incorporating social issues into the sphere of platforms. Those social issues derailed the good intents of a reformed government and led to what the Republican Party has become; shortsighted, xenophobic cultural conformists, irrational, anti-intellectual. I held on to see if the GoP would gather some sense only to see Donald Trump become the Kamikaze ending to that hope.

In short, it's not the bowing to the emperor that we have to worry about. It's the actual sentiments of at least half of the party. It saddens me to say that this IS the Republican party now, with or without Trump.Excellent analysis.

I'm not sure that 50% of Republicans are racist or xenophobic or homophobic or misogynistic or? But certainly a large percentage of them are. My fond hope is that all of these idiots will leave the GOP and form their own party.

Spidy
02-04-21, 20:15
... Unfortunately due to the decentralized nature of the movement, some sectors began incorporating social issues into the sphere of platforms. Those social issues derailed the good intents of a reformed government and led to what the Republican Party has become; shortsighted, xenophobic cultural conformists, irrational, anti-intellectual. I held on to see if the GoP would gather some sense only to see Donald Trump become the Kamikaze ending to that hope.

In short, it's not the bowing to the emperor that we have to worry about. It's the actual sentiments of at least half of the party. It saddens me to say that this IS the Republican party now, with or without Trump.Preach, preach on!

In his latest round of in sanity, it's more of the same crap of insane mental conspiracy, as he fires recent lawyers (or they quit because he wasn't going to pay them), still claiming he won the election. Next Up!

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/1/30/2012991/-Trump-Top-Impeachment-Lawyer-Fires-the-Client-Trump-Runs-Out-of-Willing-Lawyers-Poll-Who-Next

Paulie97
02-04-21, 23:29
https://apnews.com/article/smartmatic-sues-fox-news-giuliani-2a8d83df2e6d73b750dd85f92f4fd7ef

And word to the wise for all the tin foil hat, conspiracy theory peddlers among us. Accusations require proof. Without you at best look like a moron, and at worst are sued.

Beijing4987
02-05-21, 06:35
Even Sarah Huckaberry Sanders can tell the truth, that is, under oath with Special Counsel and Boyscout Republican Robert Mueller breathing down on her. Anybody here read the results of his investigation? He put some bad boys in jail and the ones in Russia he incited can't venture too far from home. Fat Nixon took the fifth, rather than testify in front of the Senate.

Artisttyp
02-05-21, 06:42
Agree with your description of the orange ape but remember that Trump was not the cause, he was just the vessel (the container) that vocalized what a significant part of the populace was already feeling.

Those people have always been around, but the formation of the Tea Party movement was the official christening of that vessel (the ship). Even before that movement, there were already signs that these people desired a voice. John McCain in 2008 didn't pick Sarah Palin as his running mate because they shared identical platforms and ideologies. He knew something was already brewing in the Republican Party and chose to court those people.

To me, as much as I liked McCain, his selection of Palin as Vice Presidential nominee foreshadowed the end of any good outcomes for the Republican Party. It's sad as the Tea Party had good intent consistent with ideal conservative / libertarian values: small government, less spending, a higher threshold for foreign military involvement, etc.

Unfortunately due to the decentralized nature of the movement, some sectors began incorporating social issues into the sphere of platforms. Those social issues derailed the good intents of a reformed government and led to what the Republican Party has become; shortsighted, xenophobic cultural conformists, irrational, anti-intellectual. I held on to see if the GoP would gather some sense only to see Donald Trump become the Kamikaze ending to that hope.

In short, it's not the bowing to the emperor that we have to worry about. It's the actual sentiments of at least half of the party. It saddens me to say that this IS the Republican party now, with or without Trump.This is an incredible post. So True.


Thank You.

ShooBree
02-05-21, 06:59
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The Cane
02-05-21, 14:22
This is an incredible post. So True..Great post indeed and spot on. Only thing I would add is that I believe the modern-day decline of the GOP started even before Palin and the Tea Party with Newt Gingrich.

ScatManDoo
02-05-21, 17:17
Great post indeed and spot on. Only thing I would add is that I believe the modern-day decline of the GOP started even before Palin and the Tea Party with Newt Gingrich.What about Nixon's 'Southern strategy"?

The Southern strategy was a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans.

Dixiecrats emerged after Truman's 1948 integration of the military.

In the south, in the 1960's, the democratic party was deeply divided, with George Wallace tugging the party apart from President Johnson's big, dominant, civil rights expansion.

That gave President Nixon the space to attract southern racists into the GOP in large numbers.

Beijing4987
02-05-21, 18:36
Check out the movie dramatizing this takedown of the full of hubris Tricky Dick Nixon.

Canada
02-05-21, 21:27
Here are a list of solar projects contracted out at less than $25 unsubsidized. You are deluding yourself if you think solar and wind are not going to keep putting coal out of business. Gas will be around for a while as a on / off supplier.

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/8-countries-besides-the-us-with-solar-under-25-per-megawatt-hour

Then again pretty much everything you write shows how much you delude yourself.Anybody can find any info to support their thinking on the internet. Look at your electric bill. How much has it gone down with all this wind and solar. And if you live in California you can ask your electric company is charging you 60% for the solar power. Your bill is your proof and if your bill is higher this year and doubles over the next 5 years you will still believe those liberal politicians. You liners must be prows today.

Catch and release back on again with criminals coming in again with no Covid tests.

Stimulus money going to illegals instead of our citizens.

Paulie97
02-05-21, 21:49
Great post indeed and spot on. Only thing I would add is that I believe the modern-day decline of the GOP started even before Palin and the Tea Party with Newt Gingrich.And Trump summoned the far right, militia, survivalist, conspiracy theory peddling, Alex Jones, Christian Identity cluster on board. These had before only looked at 3rd Party options. And it's true that there was some of this in Palin, especially with the goofy global conspiracy theories.

Beijing4987
02-05-21, 22:55
Take a spin around the vegetable fields and fruit orchards to see those doing the stoop labor, covered with pesticides. Ask agribusiness if they can make a profit without stiffing the workers or receiving subsidies. Same with the oil conglomerates.

Horatio
02-05-21, 23:36
Maybe people want the federal govt to be restricted.


One of the smartest moves the US ever made. I don't know why anyone would want to use specie currency. It's way too restrictive.

GDreams
02-06-21, 00:16
Anybody can find any info to support their thinking on the internet. Look at your electric bill. How much has it gone down with all this wind and solar. And if you live in California you can ask your electric company is charging you 60% for the solar power. Your bill is your proof and if your bill is higher this year and doubles over the next 5 years you will still believe those liberal politicians. You liners must be prows today.

Catch and release back on again with criminals coming in again with no Covid tests.

Stimulus money going to illegals instead of our citizens.Given that I have rooftop solar my effective cost is half of utility rates so yes I'm pretty sure it is cheaper!

Paulie97
02-06-21, 02:24
What about Nixon's 'Southern strategy"?

The Southern strategy was a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans.

Dixiecrats emerged after Truman's 1948 integration of the military.

In the south, in the 1960's, the democratic party was deeply divided, with George Wallace tugging the party apart from President Johnson's big, dominant, civil rights expansion.

That gave President Nixon the space to attract southern racists into the GOP in large numbers.The Republican Party abandoned their historic commitment to civil rights. Another big turning point was the nomination of Barry Goldwater, '64 election. He ran on a strong states rights platform and only won five Deep South states and his home state of Arizona. That was essentially the end the Republican Party as we knew it.

GDreams
02-07-21, 04:21
So apart from running a completely unnecessary budget deficit we now can see the complete failure of Trumps Trade wars.

The USA Trade deficit over the four years of President Donald Trump's presidency soared to its highest level since 2008, despite his tough tariff tactics intended to bring it down, a new Commerce Department report showed on Friday.

The combined USA Goods and services trade deficit increased to $679 billion in 2020, compared to $481 billion in 2016, the year before Trump took office. The trade deficit in goods alone hit $916 billion, a record high and an increase of about 21 percent from 2016.

Trump failed in one of his major trade policy goals because the USA Trade deficit is driven more by macroeconomic factors, like how much a country spends and saves, than it is by tariffs and foreign trade practices, analysts said.

"The Trump administration never had a feasible plan for reducing the trade deficit," explained Mary Lovely, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics. "Their 2017 tax cut ensured that the USA As a whole would continue to spend more than it produced, hence the need for a current account deficit. The tariffs on China reduced imports from China, but these were mostly replaced with imports from other sources."

Mursenary
02-07-21, 06:29
Excellent analysis.

I'm not sure that 50% of Republicans are racist or xenophobic or homophobic or misogynistic or? But certainly a large percentage of them are. My fond hope is that all of these idiots will leave the GOP and form their own party.I agree with you and also do not believe that most of the GOP are racists, etc.

Labeling people as racists, misogynistic, and homophobic should be used more sparingly and only where it is a without doubt, especially the racist part as that can ruin people's careers and livelihoods. I choose to be more careful with my words, pointing my finger at "cultural prejudice" or those that believe in a "cultural hierarchy". That large sect of the GOP seem to push their WASP (White Anglo Saxon Protestant) image of what America should be.

On an individual basis, those people are not even detrimental. Unfortunately, due to the effects of herd / hoard mentality, the actions of the group effectively becomes xenophobic and exclusive in nature. Unspoken social friction will continue to exist and I don't even fully support legislating more civil rights. But my concern is when the hoard's positions become incorporated into actual political platforms and agendas. Then the crazies start taking positions of power and you now have nut job, uncouth conspiracy theorists like Marjorie Taylor Greene in the United States Congress and assholes like Josh Hawley trying to become the next Republican JFK.

Travv
02-08-21, 06:35
Repeals crimes of prostitution, commercial sexual solicitation and promoting prostitution. Takes effect on 91st day following adjournment sine die.

(Excerpt) Read more at olis. Leg. State. Or. Us.

Commenter: "In other news, Jimmy Swaggart to move his ministry to Oregon. Bill Clinton announces his plans to relocate to Oregon and immediately starting a new house search in Portland with the help of his assistant Hunter Biden. . . " "The Oregon Legislators can now operate legally. " LOL High level politicians take interest in moving White House to Portland Oregon?

ShooBree
02-10-21, 18:33
https://www.google.se/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/12/nancy-pelosis-renewed-attacks-on-aoc-arent-just-disrespectful-theyre-dangerous

https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/victor-joecks/victor-joecks-all-things-kamala-harris-no-longer-believes-about-joe-biden-2094638/amp/

Travv
02-11-21, 22:20
"Washington, D. C. —In a historic move, the USA Senate decided to switch to voting by mail for Trump's second impeachment trial. After all the votes were counted by an intern in a back room with no video camera using a specially made vote counting machine with a remote controlled WIFI connection, the Senate ruled to convict President Trump of incitement to violence by a vote of 8275 to 3.

"Our holy democracy has spoken," said Senator Chuck Schumer. "Do not ask any questions or you are a blasphemer against the sacred sacredness of our vote. Everyone can go home now!

A couple of troublemaking Senators attempted to overthrow the Constitution by bringing up the point that there are only 100 Senators, making it impossible to arrive at a tally of 8275 to 3, but they were quickly removed from the Senate Chambers and condemned for "attempting to suppress the votes of people of color. ".

The Senate then moved on to other business, passing universal healthcare by a margin of 320,000 to 4 . . . ".

Semisatire Babylon Bee.

LatinaLover#1
02-14-21, 18:07
In an effort to punish a very successful conservative Florida, 'this shit for brains Biden' is considering a interstate travel ban. So be prepared to be banned from travel to a bordering state to go to an airport or most likely international travel. This guy is a runaway train.

https://www.kusi.com/biden-considers-imposing-domestic-travel-restrictions-to-places-like-florida/

Welcome to the United Communists of America.

Just Incognito
02-15-21, 00:24
In an effort to punish a very successful conservative Florida, 'this shit for brains Biden' is considering a interstate travel ban. So be prepared to be banned from travel to a bordering state to go to an airport or most likely international travel. This guy is a runaway train.

https://www.kusi.com/biden-considers-imposing-domestic-travel-restrictions-to-places-like-florida/


Welcome to the United Communists of America.Stop with your anti-science cultist bull. Trump is a seditionist traitor, a fraud and a cult leader.

The USA wouldn't have this mess if it wasn't for trump!

Thank God Biden is finally listening to science. There is no wealth without health.

As far as your communist nonsense. Name 1 Biden policy that is 'communist'. Can you even define communism? Was communism a concern of yours when trump kept taking the side of Putin? Or little Kim in North Korea-who your cult leader, the ku klux klown, djt fell in love with?

Sheesh! The nerve of a trumptard to invoke 'communism' as. A fewar and scare tactic after trump sided with putin even after putin interfered in the US elections, paid bounties to kill American soldiers, and just jailed his main opposition for no reason at all. Shame on you. Maybe learn a little science before you pop off about what Biden is doing.

Paulie97
02-15-21, 03:28
In an effort to punish a very successful conservative Florida, Florida isn't successful at all with the pandemic. Check the numbers and graphs.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

Is too bad we can't send the shit kickers in the panhandle to Alabama where they belong, then we'd be a solidly blue state. Yet we are still a swing state. We need to win back some South American immigrants that have been duped a lot recently by red baiting propaganda spread in South FL.


Welcome to the United Communists of America.But of course, red baiting is always the angle of choice for the least educated and informed.

Artisttyp
02-15-21, 04:54
A heirloom photograph to be kept close to the heart.

John Clayton
02-15-21, 05:42
A heirloom photograph to be kept close to the heart.Small hands, fo' sho'.

Golfinho
02-15-21, 14:56
The USA wouldn't have this mess if it wasn't for trump!.The USA wouldn't have this mess if it wasn't for the Democrats rigging their 2016 primaries that forced Hillary Clinton on an unwilling electorate.

LatinaLover#1
02-15-21, 15:40
Stop with your anti-science cultist bull. Trump is a seditionist traitor, a fraud and a cult leader.

The USA wouldn't have this mess if it wasn't for trump!

Thank God Biden is finally listening to science. There is no wealth without health.

As far as your communist nonsense. Name 1 Biden policy that is 'communist'. Can you even define communism? Was communism a concern of yours when trump kept taking the side of Putin? Or little Kim in North Korea-who your cult leader, the ku klux klown, djt fell in love with?

Sheesh! The nerve of a trumptard to invoke 'communism' as. A fewar and scare tactic after trump sided with putin even after putin interfered in the US elections, paid bounties to kill American soldiers, and just jailed his main opposition for no reason at all. Shame on you. Maybe learn a little science before you pop off about what Biden is doing.I never mentioned Trump, you did. You, like the rest of the worker ants you represent are Trump obsessed. The post was about the progressive lunatics' effort to take away the rights of the American people and that even includes you. Next time stay on topic if you want to add something of value for the board. Unfortunately, you chose your nonsensical Trump rant instead of actual reading the article and becoming slightly more educated about the motivations of the Biden administration. To quote the great Gandhi "I will never let anyone walk through my mind with their dirty feet. " you are now blocked.

ShooBree
02-15-21, 15:55
Stop with your anti-science cultist bull. Trump is a seditionist traitor, a fraud and a cult leader.

The USA wouldn't have this mess if it wasn't for trump!

Thank God Biden is finally listening to science. There is no wealth without health.

As far as your communist nonsense. Name 1 Biden policy that is 'communist'. Can you even define communism? Was communism a concern of yours when trump kept taking the side of Putin? Or little Kim in North Korea-who your cult leader, the ku klux klown, djt fell in love with?

Sheesh! The nerve of a trumptard to invoke 'communism' as. A fewar and scare tactic after trump sided with putin even after putin interfered in the US elections, paid bounties to kill American soldiers, and just jailed his main opposition for no reason at all. Shame on you. Maybe learn a little science before you pop off about what Biden is doing.Biden's destroying USA, he's without a doubt the most far left president USA ever had. He has already destroyed tens of thousands of jobs for regular Americans. Biden is a job destroyer and promoter of the radical left and identity politics.

Trump did a great job and we already miss having him as president.

Trump defended the US, Biden is destroying USA by supporting antifa and BLM and their acts of domestic terrorism.

ShooBree
02-15-21, 15:56
Small hands, fo' sho'.Small brain for sure.

Naked Gunz
02-15-21, 16:05
I agree with you and also do not believe that most of the GOP are racists, etc.Labeling people as racists, misogynistic, and homophobic should be used more sparingly and only where it is a without doubt, especially the racist part as that can ruin people's careers and livelihoods. I choose to be more careful with my words, pointing my finger at "cultural prejudice" or those that believe in a "cultural hierarchy". That large sect of the GOP seem to push their WASP (White Anglo Saxon Protestant) image of what America should be.It really does not matter if the GOP is any of these titles or not, because the "racists" , etc. Grabs the mike, and screams the loudest, and sucks all the air out of the room, while your "nice" Republicans allow it to happen, and don't say shit. I wonder how Republicans feel to be painted with a broad brush? God knows the police do it everyday. Aren't all Blacks crooks to be shot dead in the street?

WyattEarp
02-15-21, 16:43
In an effort to punish a very successful conservative Florida, 'this shit for brains Biden' is considering a interstate travel ban. So be prepared to be banned from travel to a bordering state to go to an airport or most likely international travel. This guy is a runaway train.

https://www.kusi.com/biden-considers-imposing-domestic-travel-restrictions-to-places-like-florida/You're right LL#1. This obsession with making everything about Trump closes minds and continues dividing the country long after the election. Florida Governor was a Trump supporter. He didn't shutdown his state in a draconian manner. Must punish and make Florida look bad. NY Governor anti-Trump Democrat mugs for the cameras. Must be praised and rewarded.

I have liberal friends who seem dedicated to parroting this idea that somehow Florida is a COVID disaster while ignoring what's going on in places like New York and California. It's downright bizarre.

Canada
02-15-21, 18:10
Stop with your anti-science cultist bull. Trump is a seditionist traitor, a fraud and a cult leader.

The USA wouldn't have this mess if it wasn't for trump!

Thank God Biden is finally listening to science. There is no wealth without health.

As far as your communist nonsense. Name 1 Biden policy that is 'communist'. Can you even define communism? Was communism a concern of yours when trump kept taking the side of Putin? Or little Kim in North Korea-who your cult leader, the ku klux klown, djt fell in love with?

Sheesh! The nerve of a trumptard to invoke 'communism' as. A fewar and scare tactic after trump sided with putin even after putin interfered in the US elections, paid bounties to kill American soldiers, and just jailed his main opposition for no reason at all. Shame on you. Maybe learn a little science before you pop off about what Biden is doing.Communism is:

Blocking free speech by conservatives. Only the Communist party has free speech.

Communist news (CNN, MSNBC) can't say anything bad about the Communist government but can destroy their opponents.

Communist government puts their opposition in jail as they are trying to do with Trump.

Communist govertment has hatred to everyone that does not agree with their policy.

Communist government wants equality. Keep everyone poor and reliant on the government. Only the communist party and their elite business partners live in luxury.

Communist government wants to end capitalism.

Sounds pretty much like the democratic party we have today.

Paulie97
02-15-21, 20:16
Communism is:

Blocking free speech by conservatives. Only the Communist party has free speech.Actually sounds like Trump, calling our free press "the enemy of the people," a favorite phrase used by the prolific Communist Joseph Stalin. Trump also like Stalin was a propaganda machine, spinning lies and conspiracy theories throughout his tenure through defacto state news / Fox News. This included lies about a stolen election, the same which were rejected by the courts including many Republican judges upwards of 60 times. This all culminated in a coup attempt and murders of polices offiicers at the US Capital. That's all of course fundamentally undemocratic.

As to the free speech of conservates, well damn, you have Fox, the NY Post, Brietbart, Alex Jones, and News Max to name a few. You rule talk radio with many a blow hard. This though you don't get to spread violent speech calling for the deaths of public officials. And private internet platforms have every right to get tired of and thus remove your highly inflammatory, and ultimately violence inciting stolen election lies.


Communist news (CNN, MSNBC) can't say anything bad about the Communist government but can destroy their opponents. Those networks at times may give a sympathetic ear to Democratic Socialists like Bernie and AOC, but there are many fundamental differences between this ideology and Communism. You are ignorant of the very basics, and didn't even listen in secondary school, much less college if you went.


Communist government puts their opposition in jail as they are trying to do with Trump.Sadly Trump is a crook. Some of his cronies like Roger Stone and Michael Flynn committed serious crimes and needed to be charged. Trump's propensity to fire and / or smear any and all who cross him and / or won't go along with his crooked schemes all involved heavy handed attempts to squelch dissent. Case in point Colonel Vidman, and the GA Sec of State who refused to find votes for him. This list of course is extremely long.


Communist govertment has hatred to everyone that does not agree with their policy.Sounds like Trumpism to the tee, which, among many other things, tried to steal an election, all of which culminated in murders.


Communist government wants equality. Keep everyone poor and reliant on the government. Only the communist party and their elite business partners live in luxury.Actually the Democratic Party has overseen many successful capitalist economies in recent decades. That would include the dot com boom with balanced federal budget during the Clinton years, and economic revival from the Great Recession under Obama. Your typical Democrat is similar to your typical Republican, as they both advocate a mixed economy with both free market and socialist principles. Examples of the latter would be Medicare, public education, student loans, and anti-trust laws. In a word you are a mediocre at best red baiter, as you lack knowledge of even the basics.

That said, Trump wasn't a Communist, nor was he a Fascist in my view. The existence of some similarities doesn't mean the label fits. Tossing out such buzz words is for people that want to make a splash but lack understanding of the concepts they are talking about. They are also used by politicians that know better, but still use them to win votes from people like you that don't know better. Trump was essentially an autocrat wannabe that tested the restraints applied by our democracy at every turn. Autocracy by the way is fundamental in both Fascism and Communism in practice.

P.S. With all this damning, irrefutable evidence naturally all the Trump faithful can say is "What about Antifa?" Yea what about them? Whataboutism is no more relevant here than it is when three year olds are arguing over crayons. Plus your typical Antifa activist follows Anarchism and calls for the abolishment of police forces and prisons. This is all antithetical to the views of your typical Democrat, though right wing media has attempted to make associations through various debunked conspiracy theories. More on that and other Antifa myths are found here.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-antifa/2020/09/11/527071ac-f37b-11ea-bc45-e5d48ab44b9f_story.html

Travv
02-15-21, 22:18
USA —President Donald Trump made history once again today after being acquitted in his second Senate impeachment trial. He is now the most acquitted president in American history.

Donald Trump issued a statement regarding this incredible honor.

"I have been completely and totally cleared of all wrongdoing in this pathetic witch hunt sham impeachment trial," said Trump. "I am now the most acquitted president ever -- even more than Bill Clinton. No president has ever been acquitted more than I have. Will I get the credit? Probably not, because of the fake news media. I am looking forward to continuing our MAGA movement together for many more acquittals to come!

According to sources, Republican Senators cheered and high-fived each other, knowing they had just outsmarted all the Democrats into bestowing such an unprecedented badge of honor on the former president.

"Oh no! What have we done? Wailed Senator Amy Klobuchar, suddenly realizing the Senate had given Trump yet another impressive world record, making him the subject of trivia questions for the next two centuries.

According to sources, Clinton will be handing over his giant gold "most acquitted ever" trophy to Trump in Mar-a-Lago next week. . . "

Semi-Satire Babylon Bee.

ScatManDoo
02-15-21, 22:27
You're right LL#1. This obsession with making everything about Trump closes minds and continues dividing the country long after the election. Florida Governor was a Trump supporter. He didn't shutdown his state in a draconian manner. Must punish and make Florida look bad. NY Governor anti-Trump Democrat mugs for the cameras. Must be praised and rewarded.

I have liberal friends who seem dedicated to parroting this idea that somehow Florida is a COVID disaster while ignoring what's going on in places like New York and California. It's downright bizarre.According to wikipedia, this is what's going on in Florida:

On September 25, DeSantis issued an order that effectively nullified public health measures imposed by various local governments in Florida to combat the spread of the virus. DeSantis's order prohibits local governments from imposing fines or shutting down businesses for violations of mask mandates. The order also allows restaurants to immediately reopen at full capacity and restricted local governments from ordering restaurants to operate at less than half-capacity. On November 24, amid an increase in the number of COVID-19 cases and deaths in the state throughout the autumn, DeSantis extended this order. By late fall, confirmed cases of COVID-19 rose again in Florida, with over 10,000 new cases per day reported on over half the days of December 2020 and 13 of the first 14 days of 2021.

21,015 new cases were reported for December 31 on January 2, the highest daily report for 2020.

ShooBree
02-15-21, 23:02
It really does not matter if the GOP is any of these titles or not, because the "racists" , etc. Grabs the mike, and screams the loudest, and sucks all the air out of the room, while your "nice" Republicans allow it to happen, and don't say shit. I wonder how Republicans feel to be painted with a broad brush? God knows the police do it everyday. Aren't all Blacks crooks to be shot dead in the street?Aren't policemen shot to death by black people?

Weren't Democrats burning American cities?

You see things goes two ways. There's no innocent party in this. People should stop being so one eyed, it's destroying the US.

Paulie97
02-16-21, 00:09
I have liberal friends who seem dedicated to parroting this idea that somehow Florida is a COVID disaster while ignoring what's going on in places like New York and California. It's downright bizarre.One could argue that Florida isn't a disaster with COVID, but can only look like a fool if they say it's successful as the poster you replied to implied. The best models are found outside the US, in places like Taiwan, Thailand, New Zealand, and Australia. And though policy is important, the key is compliance. The former doesn't mean two shits without the latter.

In any case, after that atrocity at the Capital fueled by bizarre stolen election lies that court after court dismissed as ridiculous, it's no wonder that conservatives must find something else to talk about, IE. Whataboutism.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whataboutism-origin-meaning

P.S. As to the "liberal" label, well we have these Americans who are best identified as moderates or swing voters. They are found in both major parties and as independents. We are the ones that decide national elections, just a FYI.

Golfinho
02-16-21, 01:10
Communism is:Blocking free speech by conservatives. Only the Communist party has free speech.
Communist news (CNN, MSNBC) can't say anything bad about the Communist government but can destroy their opponents.
Communist government puts their opposition in jail as they are trying to do with Trump.
Communist govertment has hatred to everyone that does not agree with their policy.
Communist government wants equality. Keep everyone poor and reliant on the government. Only the communist party and their elite business partners live in luxury.
Communist government wants to end capitalism. Sounds pretty much like the democratic party we have today.It could be said that communist government is nothing other than one-party rule, in a situation where no other parties can be permitted to exist, except as controlled opposition. Are the Democrats (and their oligarch and technocrat enablers) headed in this direction? They sure seem to be, at least in their wetdreams so far.

GDreams
02-16-21, 01:41
Aren't policemen shot to death by black people?

Weren't Democrats burning American cities?

You see things goes two ways. There's no innocent party in this. People should stop being so one eyed, it's destroying the US.No one side was demonstrating against systemic racism and the other was demonstrating about a big lie from a guy with a bruised ego.

Many of the BLM demonstrations were peaceful and much of the violence perpetrated by heavy handed law enforcement or counter protests.

GDreams
02-16-21, 01:52
Communism is:

Blocking free speech by conservatives. Only the Communist party has free speech.

Communist news (CNN, MSNBC) can't say anything bad about the Communist government but can destroy their opponents.

Communist government puts their opposition in jail as they are trying to do with Trump.

Communist govertment has hatred to everyone that does not agree with their policy.

Communist government wants equality. Keep everyone poor and reliant on the government. Only the communist party and their elite business partners live in luxury.

Communist government wants to end capitalism.

Sounds pretty much like the democratic party we have today.Canada once again shows his complete ignorance about any subject. Communism is the ownership of the means of production by the people. A bit like corporations but more towards cooperatives vs socialism which is the means of production owned by the state. Communism wants everyone to benefit from their own labour, not work for billion dollar companies for $7 an hour and get fired if they complain.

Eventually if there is not equitable wealth generation the downtrodden masses tend to lop of the heads of the smug wealthy and take it for themselves.

Xpartan
02-16-21, 08:31
Paraphrasing an author whose name escapes me: There is crazy, there is fucked up, and then there is this.


Communism is:

Blocking free speech by conservatives. Only the Communist party has free speech.

Communist news (CNN, MSNBC) can't say anything bad about the Communist government but can destroy their opponents.

Communist government puts their opposition in jail as they are trying to do with Trump.

Communist govertment has hatred to everyone that does not agree with their policy.

Communist government wants equality. Keep everyone poor and reliant on the government. Only the communist party and their elite business partners live in luxury.

Communist government wants to end capitalism.

Sounds pretty much like the democratic party we have today.

ShooBree
02-16-21, 11:41
No one side was demonstrating against systemic racism and the other was demonstrating about a big lie from a guy with a bruised ego.

Many of the BLM demonstrations were peaceful and much of the violence perpetrated by heavy handed law enforcement or counter protests.Haha, thank you for proving my point. It's ridiculous to see how one eyed you're.

Have you already forgotten the riots carried out of Democrats after Trump was elected? I haven't. Most Trump supporters were protesting peacefully, why are you ignoring that?

Why are you ignoring the terrorism and deadly violence carried out by antifa and BLM? You're not interested in the truth, you just want to bash your political opponents.

The most racist thing and the ultimate proof of systematic racism in USA is the affirmative action.

Beans5
02-16-21, 14:26
Canada once again shows his complete ignorance about any subject. Communism is the ownership of the means of production by the people. A bit like corporations but more towards cooperatives vs socialism which is the means of production owned by the state. Communism wants everyone to benefit from their own labour, not work for billion dollar companies for $7 an hour and get fired if they complain.

Eventually if there is not equitable wealth generation the downtrodden masses tend to lop of the heads of the smug wealthy and take it for themselves.That face you make when you see somebody gushing over communism.

This rosy outlook on communism is only developed by people who either lack education on business and economy, or have too much or limited education in liberal arts and other nonproductive degrees.

Communism is terrible for people of all socioeconomic backgrounds; it's not like there aren't examples for you to reflect upon.

I think what the OP means to point out is the liberal medial along with the liberal politicians have colluded to silence dissenting opinions. Not only that though, they have used cancel culture to destroy their opponents.

My prediction: Now that the dark powers of liberalism no longer have a common enemy in Trump, they will start to devour their own. You can already see it happening, can't you? Lincoln Project, Cuomo. There is more to come.

WyattEarp
02-16-21, 14:29
One could argue that Florida isn't a disaster with COVID, but can only look like a fool if they say it's successful as the poster you replied to implied. The best models are found outside the US, in places like Taiwan, Thailand, New Zealand, and Australia. And though policy is important, the key is compliance. The former doesn't mean two shits without the latter.

In any case, after that atrocity at the Capital fueled by bizarre stolen election lies that court after court dismissed as ridiculous, it's no wonder that conservatives must find something else to talk about, IE. Whataboutism.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whataboutism-origin-meaning

P.S. As to the "liberal" label, well we have these Americans who are best identified as moderates or swing voters. They are found in both major parties and as independents. We are the ones that decide national elections, just a FYI.My main point was to highlight how Democrats and liberal media try to ostracize Florida and venerate New York even if the results don't tell the same story. Americans have been told every night how many COVID deaths there have been. Rarely are we told that there are a similar amount of deaths in Western Europe.

No one would argue that an extreme lockdown strictly enforced would yield results. The question is always for how long. The novel coronavirus is so adept at spreading it appears it comes roaring back when lockdowns have been relaxed. We should also all agree the initial USA Lockdown was not initiated with a goal of eradication.

I don't think it is lost on anyone that three of the four countries you noted are island nations in the Asia Pacific region where frequent viruses have been more of a threat. Lockdowns on their own haven't been the only factor in combating virus. How well a country rolled out initial testing, number of initial cases at the onset, culture, level of government control, etc. All have played a part.

Travv
02-16-21, 17:42
After the Arkade GP DX console suspends game of Mario Kart Race due to a clogged toilet, with his granddaughter in the lead by 3 laps, Biden is suddenly announced Winner when the game restarted! LOL.

"How did Joe Biden relax during his first Presidents Day weekend as president? By playing MarioKart with his family.

During his weekend retreat at Camp David, Biden and his granddaughter Naomi played the racing video game, and he won. Naomi shared a video to Instagram that showed Biden competing against her on the Arcade GP DX machines, complete with chairs and steering wheels.

Biden sat on the right as Luigi, and Naomi is Princess Peach on the left, GameRant noted. Despite not being at the same gaming level as his granddaughter, the commander-in-chief came out victorious. . . "

Newsweek.

By Marina Watts on 2/15/21 AT 6:36 PM EST.

Commenter "Wait, this is a real headline? This is journalism? Asking questions about what flavor of ice cream he is eating, his dogs, and now video games? If Trump said he played video games, the press would be reporting non stop that he was the worst President ever and that he was a lazy slob who didn't care about the country and all its problems. Good grief."

Satire.

Canada
02-16-21, 17:52
Canada once again shows his complete ignorance about any subject. Communism is the ownership of the means of production by the people. A bit like corporations but more towards cooperatives vs socialism which is the means of production owned by the state. Communism wants everyone to benefit from their own labour, not work for billion dollar companies for $7 an hour and get fired if they complain.

Eventually if there is not equitable wealth generation the downtrodden masses tend to lop of the heads of the smug wealthy and take it for themselves.Yes you are right. In communist countries they don't work for $7 an hour for big companies. They work for the state for $8 a day.

Paulie97
02-16-21, 20:20
My main point was to highlight how Democrats and liberal media try to ostracize Florida and venerate New York even if the results don't tell the same story. Americans have been told every night how many COVID deaths there have been. Rarely are we told that there are a similar amount of deaths in Western Europe. Europe has been reported on plenty, just check the world news section of CNN and other outlets you object to. My point was that conservatives have their own media which is often extremely biased. New York had a terrible start, much of it due to logistics as a major hub for international travel, plus heavy use of mass transit for commutes. But they smashed the curve from May to Nov, and were rightly highly praised for that. Many lives were saved during that period with good policy and compliance. Though they have seen a second wave, but with a much lower death rate. It still all comes down to compliance with sound protocols, of which Florida has seen little, and thus their successes have been few. Policy has also been an embarrassment as Desantis intervened to prevent local governments from enforcing mask mandates and restaurant closures. So your complaints about NY as compared to FL in media coverage is a product of being fed half-truths from conservative media. There are distinct differences.


No one would argue that an extreme lockdown strictly enforced would yield results. The question is always for how long. The novel coronavirus is so adept at spreading it appears it comes roaring back when lockdowns have been relaxed. We should also all agree the initial USA Lockdown was not initiated with a goal of eradication.Are you kidding? There's plenty of people that argue that lockdowns don't work, same goes for masks, and social distancing. This forum is full of them. LOL.


I don't think it is lost on anyone that three of the four countries you noted are island nations.I've heard that one before and it's a cop out. Thailand is no island, so how did they do it? What about Singapore and Cambodia? The curve is smashed in the former and the latter has no recorded deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/singapore/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/cambodia/


Lockdowns on their own haven't been the only factor in combating virus. How well a country rolled out initial testing, number of initial cases at the onset, culture, level of government control, etc. All have played a part.The goal most places has been to minimize the lose of life until we have a better handle on treatments and vaccines are developed. But there has been much working against this in the states, with arrays of misinterpretations of the Constitution, quacks, pseudo-scientific disinformation, election related conspiracy theories, anti-maskers, downplaying, minimizing, "it's no worse than the flu" or "it will go away on it's own when the weather turns cold" nonsense. Much of this has been fueled by conservative media, and of course the former president and his cronies. Such has cost us a lot of lives, so excuse me if I'm not moved when you whine about "the liberal media" in matters Covid reporting.

GDreams
02-16-21, 22:35
Yes you are right. In communist countries they don't work for $7 an hour for big companies. They work for the state for $8 a day.Point to a communist country? There never has been such a beast! Ownership by government is not ownership by the people.

GDreams
02-16-21, 22:44
That face you make when you see somebody gushing over communism.

This rosy outlook on communism is only developed by people who either lack education on business and economy, or have too much or limited education in liberal arts and other nonproductive degrees.

Communism is terrible for people of all socioeconomic backgrounds; it's not like there aren't examples for you to reflect upon.

I think what the OP means to point out is the liberal medial along with the liberal politicians have colluded to silence dissenting opinions. Not only that though, they have used cancel culture to destroy their opponents.

My prediction: Now that the dark powers of liberalism no longer have a common enemy in Trump, they will start to devour their own. You can already see it happening, can't you? Lincoln Project, Cuomo. There is more to come.Show where I was crowing about communism! I did nothing more than point out that by definition pretty much everything that Canada attributes to communism is by definition not communism. However whilst the right is busily describing the evils of socialism they happily walk down the path of fascism that Trump was clearly leading them. Loyalty to dear leader, ignoring the laws and institutions of government, demonising minorities, forming private militias, a well oiled propaganda machine. At least 82 million Americans could see the truth.

Paulie97
02-16-21, 22:53
Americans have been told every night how many COVID deaths there have been. Rarely are we told that there are a similar amount of deaths in Western Europe.Summer through early fall there was every reason to mention Europe, for they were as a whole doing far better than the states. And even after a big second wave hit across the pond as guards were dropped & indoor activities greatly increased due to cold weather, the US remains #5 in the world in deaths per 100 K population. Of the four countries that currently edge us out, three are in western Europe, one central. See attachment.

No one is picking on the USA, nor is any liberal media picking on you. It is what it is, and quackery and lame conspiracy theories were rightly exposed, most everywhere except on Fox and the like, and of course talk radio.

Paulie97
02-17-21, 02:01
The graph I previously posted didn't prove to be well visible. Here's an improvement along with the source.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Xpartan
02-17-21, 05:59
Point to a communist country? There never has been such a beast! Ownership by government is not ownership by the people.Fearmongers love screaming about communism, but communism refers to one thing only -- failed economic ideology. Communism has never existed in real life and never will. And while all attempts to build a communist paradise have inevitably led to extreme poverty and mass atrocities, it hardly holds a monopoly on misery or bloodletting. Talking about communism as if it was a real thing is maliciously misleading.

ShooBree
02-17-21, 08:29
Fearmongers love screaming about communism, but communism refers to one thing only -- failed economic ideology. Communism has never existed in real life and never will. And while all attempts to build a communist paradise have inevitably led to extreme poverty and mass atrocities, it hardly holds a monopoly on misery or bloodletting. Talking about communism as if it was a real thing is maliciously misleading.Hilarious. LMFAO!

ShooBree
02-17-21, 11:52
Show where I was crowing about communism! I did nothing more than point out that by definition pretty much everything that Canada attributes to communism is by definition not communism. However whilst the right is busily describing the evils of socialism they happily walk down the path of fascism that Trump was clearly leading them. Loyalty to dear leader, ignoring the laws and institutions of government, demonising minorities, forming private militias, a well oiled propaganda machine. At least 82 million Americans could see the truth.Funny how you ignore the fact that left wing fascists tried to burn down and take over American cities this past summer. It seems obvious to me that you're unable to see the truth. You talk like a true extremist.

Biden's the most radical president USA ever had. He's trying to further divide the country and adhere to sectarianism. He's trying to turn USA into Lebanon.

LatinaLover#1
02-17-21, 13:41
Your Godfather of socialism put it exactly how it is.

"The goal of socialism is communism. ".

Vladimir Lenin.

Capitalism has thrived for hundreds of years, has given you the right to succeed or fail, your choice. In contrast socialism has never lasted that's why every socialist country, eventually morphs into Communism. Open your eyes America.

Golfinho
02-17-21, 14:53
This rosy outlook on communism is only developed by people who either lack education on business and economy, or have too much or limited education in liberal arts and This rosy outlook on communism is only developed by people who have not experienced it directly, that is lived under it. Although what is generically denoted as communism should more accurately be termed one-party totalitarian state. In this system, a one-party state cannot allow alternative parties because they know they'd be voted out of power. Are the Democrats looking to lead a one-party state? We'll see.

As for socialism: the USA was at the height of its power when the income tax rate was at its highest: 90% on top earners. Consider that in context of the oligarchs' pushback since the end of the 60's and where it has led to the current day.

ChuchoLoco
02-17-21, 15:26
This rosy outlook on communism is only developed by people who have not experienced it directly, that is lived under it. Although what is generically denoted as communism should more accurately be termed one-party totalitarian state. In this system, a one-party state cannot allow alternative parties because they know they'd be voted out of power. Are the Democrats looking to lead a one-party state? We'll see.

As for socialism: the USA was at the height of its power when the income tax rate was at its highest: 90% on top earners. Consider that in context of the oligarchs' pushback since the end of the 60's and where it has led to the current day.Communism as it existed in Eastern Europe and Soviet Union was not communism but as you said totalitarianism ruled by one part but they actually had many minor parties. In USA there are only 2 parties in power so not much difference. 2 vs 1. Republicans talk freedom but are more totalitarian. You must vote along the party line or be labeled a traitor. They are owned by the rich. Dems have sold out to all the minorities and I mean all not just racially. Neither really represents most that's why the independents are the swing voters sought after by both. We with need more parties or none. Let each candidate be voted in on their merits and not by what party they belong to. But looks like a 3rd part may be non Trump republicans or that's the talk now.

ShooBree
02-17-21, 17:11
The story of how the Democrats seized the power, they had to import new voters.

Canada
02-17-21, 19:30
Funny how you ignore the fact that left wing fascists tried to burn down and take over American cities this past summer. It seems obvious to me that you're unable to see the truth. You talk like a true extremist.

Biden's the most radical president USA ever had. He's trying to further divide the country and adhere to sectarianism. He's trying to turn USA into Lebanon.Biden has been in office for less than a month. His record so far.

Cancel XL Pipeline. Hurts revenue for all the states it was going on reducing funds for schools roads and infrastructure. Helps his biggest donors. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates who own the majority of railway stocks. At least my one share of Buffet Stock increased $55,000. 00 since Biden was elected.

Shut down drilling on federal lands. Raising oil prices from $38 to $61 per barrel and increasing daily. Watch pump prices increase.

Rejoining WHO and Paris Accord.

Opening our borders to illegal immigrants and agreeing to give 11,000,000 illegals citizenship. Open border to Mexico but wants to close border into Florida from all other states.

If this isn't radical what is?

Golfinho
02-17-21, 20:02
Tepublicans...They are owned by the rich. Dems have sold out to all the minorities and I mean all not just racially. Neither really represents most that's why the independents are the swing voters sought after by both. But looks like a 3rd part may be non Trump republicans or that's the talk now.Take a look at the Democrat Party donor base and you'll see who owns them. The swing voters or the part of the electorate that would vote a third party will come from both main parties, from all parts of the political spectrum, not at all exclusively from non-Trump republicans as your mainstream media would have you believe. Just look at the polls on who supports universal or one-payer healthcare and you'll see where the votes are.

John Clayton
02-17-21, 20:06
...

Shut down drilling on federal lands. Raising oil prices from $38 to $61 per barrel and increasing daily. Watch pump prices increase...
Clearly we have different political positions, on which I don't choose to engage; however, on this one issue, petroleum pricing, I will ask how well your previous predictions have stood up?

1) I don't think the future markets agree with you. The price of Brent is $64/ bbl today; however, futures contracts are heavily against you for the next year.

2) Oil is a world commodity. The production cost of Alberta tar sand oil is ~$80/ bbl, US shale oil varies between $40 and $80. Saudi is <$3/ bbl. There's no way that pipeline will ever get used unless we go back to +$80 oil.

3) Petroleum for power is basically doomed. Excluding the costs to health and the environment of burning it and ejecting CO2 and waste heat into the atmosphere, it is a stupid way to make power. In particular, regardless of what Biden does, ICE engines for cars etc are finished.

4) A word of friendly advice, don't buy any oil stocks even in the short term. Oil is only headed one way... down.

Golfinho
02-17-21, 23:28
Communism as it existed in Eastern Europe and Soviet Union was not communism but as you said totalitarianism ruled by one part but they actually had many minor parties..About 'many minor parties' in the Soviet sphere:

"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves" --V. I. Lenin.

Lenin's strategic thinking has been noted and put into practice by successive political operatives and leaders, perhaps by those in your own country as well, up to and including the present day.

WyattEarp
02-18-21, 00:13
Point to a communist country? There never has been such a beast! Ownership by government is not ownership by the people.Yikes! Are you recommending something akin to a communal economy? While complex economies with enormous private enterprises demand some government involvement, I'm not sure if you are just making a point about political labels or making a case.

WyattEarp
02-18-21, 00:36
Oil is a world commodity. The production cost of Alberta tar sand oil is ~$80/ bbl, US shale oil varies between $40 and $80. Saudi is <$3/ bbl. There's no way that pipeline will ever get used unless we go back to +$80 oil.That might be correct, but why not let private money decide if it's worth building it? You have probably seen pipeline maps of the USA It's obviously a tried and true method for transporting oil. I think it became too much a symbol for climate activists. I'm not much for symbolic gestures, but admittedly they are important in politics.

What is your stance on natural gas? Or nuclear energy?

My take is climate activists are not pragmatic on any level. Natural gas and nuclear energy could be very helpful in reducing CO2 emissions until clean renewables make technological advances.

Elvis 2008
02-18-21, 02:45
Clearly we have different political positions, on which I don't choose to engage; however, on this one issue, petroleum pricing, I will ask how well your previous predictions have stood up?

1) I don't think the future markets agree with you. The price of Brent is $64/ bbl today; however, futures contracts are heavily against you for the next year.And I think they should be even lower than that.


The production cost of Alberta tar sand oil is ~$80/ bbl, US shale oil varies between $40 and $80. Saudi is <$3/ bbl. There's no way that pipeline will ever get used unless we go back to +$80 oil.JC, you are too high on your numbers. Canadians started tar production back when oil was at $20 a barrel in 2000. As for USA Production, it varies a lot based on salaries but this was during a boom phase: https://www.forbes.com/sites/clairepoole/2018/07/29/5-permian-basin-oil-producers-with-the-lowest-break-even-price/?sh=7a0424895325.

"It found that the break-even oil prices for wells with lateral lengths of 4,500 to 10,500 feet ranged from $21 to $48 per barrel."

And I have been told it is even lower than that. The real issue with Permian oil was pipeline capacity in that the region produced too much oil.


4) A word of friendly advice, don't buy any oil stocks even in the short term. Oil is only headed one way... down.I agree 1000%. I think what you are seeing is the anti-dollar trade as the Fed is just throwing money at banks and hedge funds and investors, and they are encouraged to look into anything else but the dollar. Hence, the rise in oil and in bitcoin. What is so fucked up is that Venezuela, Venezuela! Is using the dollar as a currency now.

Peak production was 100.7 million bpd in Q1 2020. The world never went higher than 95.5 million bpd in 2020. And BTW, that number was with Venezuela and Libya producing next to nothing and Iranian oil production cut in half. Getting production back up to 2016 numbers, and you are looking at 6 million more BPD of capacity on line.

There is no question there is an overall glut. EIA is projecting a 4 million BPD increase in consumption in 2021, and I just do not see that happening this year. Maybe in 2022 when the world is vaccinated against Covid but not now.

There used to be two ETFs that you could buy to short the oil market, DTO and SCO but now SCO is the only one left. It might be time to look at it again. The potential on it is huge.

GDreams
02-18-21, 04:14
Yikes! Are you recommending something akin to a communal economy? While complex economies with enormous private enterprises demand some government involvement, I'm not sure if you are just making a point about political labels or making a case.No I am not making a case I am making a point that apart from some historical tribal societies communism has never existed. If people keep complaining about communism as though it actually exists then they really are just showing their lack of understanding of what they are talking about.

Just because a party might call itself a communist party does not mean it is one!

Even China which is often described as a communist country is in fact a hybrid socialist / free market society. Having visited China many times it is clear they have been very economically successful, they have great infrastructure, but I wouldn't want to be a Chinese living there nor would I want to live in the US where both the infrastructure and society are in decay.

GDreams
02-18-21, 04:24
Funny how you ignore the fact that left wing fascists tried to burn down and take over American cities this past summer. It seems obvious to me that you're unable to see the truth. You talk like a true extremist.

Biden's the most radical president USA ever had. He's trying to further divide the country and adhere to sectarianism. He's trying to turn USA into Lebanon.Show one city that has been burnt down or taken over? People were protesting real problems vs Jan 6 were the attempted coup was based on one big lie!

John Clayton
02-18-21, 04:47
That might be correct, but why not let private money decide if it's worth building it? ...Okay, good idea! My guess is that if it were private money it would have gone away a long time ago. The money that's in it so far is guaranteed by Alberta for, what I think are, ideological reasons. So, there's only dumb, Provincial money behind this. With the current (and future) price of crude, this would never, ever be done with private money.

GDreams
02-18-21, 04:59
Biden has been in office for less than a month. His record so far.

Cancel XL Pipeline. Hurts revenue for all the states it was going on reducing funds for schools roads and infrastructure. Helps his biggest donors. Warren Buffet and Bill Gates who own the majority of railway stocks. At least my one share of Buffet Stock increased $55,000. 00 since Biden was elected.

Shut down drilling on federal lands. Raising oil prices from $38 to $61 per barrel and increasing daily. Watch pump prices increase.

Rejoining WHO and Paris Accord.

Opening our borders to illegal immigrants and agreeing to give 11,000,000 illegals citizenship. Open border to Mexico but wants to close border into Florida from all other states.

If this isn't radical what is?Are you a Newfie, I hear they are a bit simple.

Shutting down Keystone hurts Canada and makes no difference to anyone in the states as the Canadians wear the costs as they must sell at market rates. At the end of the day the refineries could just invest to treat lighter crudes but they obviously don't see the upside in the fuel markets to justify the expenditures. It is more likely with the increase in electric vehicles that those refineries will be shutting down, not worrying about the supply from Canada. (Note how carmakers who are announcing a migration to electric are showing strong share price growth).

Drilling has not been shut down on Federal lands. There was a pause of 60 days on issuing new leases. Even when Trump allowed bidding in Alaska there was virtually no interest. $60 a barrel is about what the price of oil was pre Covid. The US oil industry is not viable at $40 so hardly worth a comment.

Joining the Paris accord is a good thing. The US is meeting its commitments so hardly a burden. In fact because renewable energy is becoming so cheap the US is accelerating its ability to meet future targets.

Rejoining WHO so new pandemic threats can be identified and managed externally rather than taking hold of the country. Imagine if the president doesn't disband the departments set up to manage pandemics. Imagine not having a president whose personal wealth does not depend on the hotel industry who did everything possible to prevent the shutdown of travel both foreign and domestic and by doing so helped the widespread dispersement of a highly contagious disease.

The borders have not been reopened to illegals. Once again you would ignore the fact that most illegals are in the country from visa overstays. You also ignore the fact that they come because there is a market for their labour. Kill that market by levying crippling fines on employers and the demand would dry up.

The 11 million illegals exist already, making them legal changes little if anything.

The most radical thing about what you wrote is that there are 70 million Americans who would agree with your stupidity.

Canada
02-18-21, 05:17
That might be correct, but why not let private money decide if it's worth building it? You have probably seen pipeline maps of the USA It's obviously a tried and true method for transporting oil. I think it became too much a symbol for climate activists. I'm not much for symbolic gestures, but admittedly they are important in politics.

What is your stance on natural gas? Or nuclear energy?

My take is climate activists are not pragmatic on any level. Natural gas and nuclear energy could be very helpful in reducing CO2 emissions until clean renewables make technological advances.Natural gas and nuclear are the smartest choices for USA. Malaysia power is over 50% generated by natural gas and all their vehicles are natural gas. USA has huge reserves of natural gas that could give low electric prices to everyone. But the green deal will convert us to wind and solar and double and triple everyone power costs. Like Germany and California that have gotten to 30% green power and their electricity bills have doubled. Estimate tripled if they get to 50%. Low income families will not be able to afford electricity for their house let alone an electric car. This week in Texas shows the weakness in wind power.

John Clayton
02-18-21, 06:04
...This week in Texas shows the weakness in wind power.This is just a bold face, simple, lie. It is Republican disinformation. According to the State ERCOT it's a lie. According to right wing Texas news sources it is a lie. You are repeating a proven lie. I believe you know this is a lie and are deliberately spreading disinformation.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/16/texas-wind-turbines-frozen/

We do not approve of willful liars on this forum. You should apologize to this forum for knowingly repeating this lie.

ScatManDoo
02-18-21, 07:51
This week in Texas shows the weakness in wind power.Explain to me how wind power showed weakness in Texas this week?

We have this post to clearly show your lack of intelligence and willingness to believe right-wing lies.

Xpartan
02-18-21, 08:09
Hilarious. LMFAO!Are these dumb pictures supposed to be worth three thousand words?

They aren't.

Communism has never existed in real life. Go ahead, prove me wrong if you can.

No one here has hots for communism. Like I've said before, all attempts at building a communist society have ended up in failure, human misery and mass graves.

But you and your ideological allies are grossly misusing all 'isms. ' Fascism, communism, socialism too.

I understand why fearmongers are doing this. Throw "communism" around a bit, and people start running for cover.

Just don't scare yourselves shitless, too, you guys.

Funny, a discussion like this one is not exactly why I come to ISG, but it kind of pulls you in, LOL.

Goatscrot
02-18-21, 08:54
Natural gas and nuclear are the smartest choices for USA. Malaysia power is over 50% generated by natural gas and all their vehicles are natural gas. USA has huge reserves of natural gas that could give low electric prices to everyone. But the green deal will convert us to wind and solar and double and triple everyone power costs. Like Germany and California that have gotten to 30% green power and their electricity bills have doubled. Estimate tripled if they get to 50%. Low income families will not be able to afford electricity for their house let alone an electric car. This week in Texas shows the weakness in wind power.This week in Texas shows why you do not deregulate. These plants were not required to winterize and that is the problem. El Paso which is on the western grid is fine. Public utilities need to remain public utilities, privatization is a scam.

GDreams
02-18-21, 10:34
Natural gas and nuclear are the smartest choices for USA. Malaysia power is over 50% generated by natural gas and all their vehicles are natural gas. USA has huge reserves of natural gas that could give low electric prices to everyone. But the green deal will convert us to wind and solar and double and triple everyone power costs. Like Germany and California that have gotten to 30% green power and their electricity bills have doubled. Estimate tripled if they get to 50%. Low income families will not be able to afford electricity for their house let alone an electric car. This week in Texas shows the weakness in wind power.Natural gas is why Texas is in crisis. All the valves and control systems don't like the cold so the gas doesn't flow! Solar and wind are taking over because they are cheaper irrespective of government policy. Nuclear is just not economic to build at least not in the US. This week Texas showed what poor policy brings you. They don't plan for freezing weather and when they get it they cannot cope. Wind turbines work in frezzing conditions if you put the anti freeze devices on them. Natural gas flows when you use the correct valves and control systems. Republicans fail again and try to blame everyone but their own policy failures. Maybe if they connected to other grids then they could have been helped out by competent operators.

Golfinho
02-18-21, 17:56
This week in Texas shows why you do not deregulate. These plants were not required to winterize and that is the problem. El Paso which is on the western grid is fine. Public utilities need to remain public utilities, privatization is a scam.Privatization generates fees for the banksters, and interest income streams for the parasites. Creating tollbooths for essential services: this is the model being inflicted on the citizenry. As long as they can get away with it, they'll keep doing it.

ChuchoLoco
02-18-21, 21:42
Take a look at the Democrat Party donor base and you'll see who owns them. The swing voters or the part of the electorate that would vote a third party will come from both main parties, from all parts of the political spectrum, not at all exclusively from non-Trump republicans as your mainstream media would have you believe. Just look at the polls on who supports universal or one-payer healthcare and you'll see where the votes are.IMHO, they both are bought and paid for by many of the same donors. Best to support both because one will lose and one will win and you want to be able to tell the winner you supported him. The mob was very good at that too. Agree on who wants a 3rd party. Many from each party and Indies but for different reasons. The reason I said non-Trump Republicans is because I have seen at least 3 or 4 saying that. At least 2 from Lincoln group.

But to be absolutely clear, I have little to no faith in any political system or party. All run by self serving people who know how to talk and tell people what they want to hear. Kind of like preachers who can get the last penny from a poor man.

Who was DB Cooper and did he live after his hijacking?

Dogers69
02-19-21, 03:56
He'll spend a lot of time in Mexico because their judicial system is very slow. Eventually he will be extradited to the United States because Mexico will not want to take care of him for the rest of his natural life. As far as I know Mexico does not have a death penalty but murder does carry a life sentence. Once he is in the United States he will spend some time in prison but will eventually be let out. I expect this whole process to take 10-15 years. I read that he is 26 years old. I expect him to be out by the time he's 40-45. I don't know why this happened but the pics of this dead chica laying on the floor with towels covering her and blood everywhere is the sickest thing I've seen happen in the zona. It looks like something out of a horror movie. Many may disagree but I think the club should be punished harshly. They're operating illegally in a pandemic and should be held accountable for their employee. Hefty fines and maybe shut down for a period of time. Moe.Well it's a clear cut case. If he only gets 10 years in prison God help us all. Between covid, liberals defund prison cops mandate, maybe he gets 5 years. 5 years ago I would say he gets 20. United states certainly has changed a lot since covid arrived, majority politically active people (rioters, looters, killers, cancel culture) are definitely anti locking people up long term even for murder.

RikyMichaels7
02-19-21, 19:42
Well it's a clear cut case. If he only gets 10 years in prison God help us all. Between covid, liberals defund prison cops mandate, maybe he gets 5 years. 5 years ago I would say he gets 20. United states certainly has changed a lot since covid arrived, majority politically active people (rioters, looters, killers, cancel culture) are definitely anti locking people up long term even for murder.Here we go again with another misinformed individual on the "Big Lie" ticket. Biden is not going to defund the police. As a matter of fact, he is going to invest more in police. Do your homework and don't start spreading that Trump and Republican "Big Lie" BS with us.

BigButtDetecto
02-20-21, 02:34
Well it's a clear cut case. If he only gets 10 years in prison God help us all. Between covid, liberals defund prison cops mandate, maybe he gets 5 years. 5 years ago I would say he gets 20. United states certainly has changed a lot since covid arrived, majority politically active people (rioters, looters, killers, cancel culture) are definitely anti locking people up long term even for murder.Lies. Where did you get that from?

WombatEd2
02-20-21, 03:51
Here we go again with another misinformed individual on the "Big Lie" ticket. Biden is not going to defund the police. As a matter of fact, he is going to invest more in police. Do your homework and don't start spreading that Trump and Republican "Big Lie" BS with us.Is an Atheist allowed to say "Amen!"?

Jinxx
02-20-21, 04:11
Well it's a clear cut case. If he only gets 10 years in prison God help us all. Between covid, liberals defund prison cops mandate, maybe he gets 5 years. 5 years ago I would say he gets 20. United states certainly has changed a lot since covid arrived, majority politically active people (rioters, looters, killers, cancel culture) are definitely anti locking people up long term even for murder.Why are you bringing up liberals in the United States? This crime happened in Mexico and is under the jurisdiction of Mexican courts. The only way a US court could try to claim jurisdiction is if the attacker and the victim are both American. There may be statutes out there that allow the US feds to also file charges like when they catch Americans abroad hooking up with minors, but so far it looks like the US will mostly stay out of this case.

And just to be clear to the readers out there, this Dogers69 guy also previously complained about San Diego California being a high crime dangerous city which is not even close to being true. San Diego is one of the safest cities in the US. Dogers69 also complained about the weather in San Diego when San Diego literally is regarded as having the best weather in the whole United States.

Dogers69 is known for making outlandish claims that don't seem to be grounded in reality or logic.

Ctytek
02-20-21, 16:50
Ignore the clueless child. As I said before, nothing he posts here has any value.


Why are you bringing up liberals in the United States? This crime happened in Mexico and is under the jurisdiction of Mexican courts. The only way a US court could try to claim jurisdiction is if the attacker and the victim are both American. There may be statutes out there that allow the US feds to also file charges like when they catch Americans abroad hooking up with minors, but so far it looks like the US will mostly stay out of this case.

And just to be clear to the readers out there, this Dogers69 guy also previously complained about San Diego California being a high crime dangerous city which is not even close to being true. San Diego is one of the safest cities in the US. Dogers69 also complained about the weather in San Diego when San Diego literally is regarded as having the best weather in the whole United States.

Dogers69 is known for making outlandish claims that don't seem to be grounded in reality or logic.

Paulie97
02-20-21, 20:13
There's a sucker born every minute.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/28/trump-donor-election-fraud-sues-money-back

PVMonger
02-21-21, 14:54
There's a sucker born every minute.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/28/trump-donor-election-fraud-sues-money-back"Stupid is as stupid does."

Travv
02-22-21, 16:59
Biden Announces Ambitious Goal Of $100 Per Gallon Gas By End Of First 100 Days In Office.

"Washington, D. C. —In spite of Democrats' best efforts to curb the use of fossil fuels, stubborn Americans continue to use them to power their automobiles and heat their homes. Biden is responding to this crisis with an ambitious new plan to raise the price of gas to $100 per gallon by the end of his first 100 days in office to fight global warming.

"Listen-- all these fossil fuels, they got to stop! Got to stop!" Biden said to the Secret Service agent pumping gas into his presidential limo. "We got to do something about these selfish Americans and one-horse kangaroo herders burning all these fuels without consequences. I know consequences. Just ask Corn Pop and his buddies. When I'm done with 'them, these Americans will never burn a gallon of gas again, Jack!

The administration has announced the "Gas Prices To The Mooooon" campaign-- a series of executive orders designed to drive the price of fuel up to make it unattainable to anyone except John Kerry.

When confronted with the question of how Americans will afford to get around with $100-per-gallon gas, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested they stay home and eat some ice cream instead.

Currently, the average price stands at $2.53 per gallon and rising, which experts say is likely Trump's fault. . ."

Humor: https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-announces-ambitious-goal-of-100-per-gallon-gas-by-end-of-first-100-days-in-office.

John Clayton
02-22-21, 18:59
Biden Announces Ambitious Goal Of $100 Per Gallon Gas By End Of First 100 Days In Office.

Humor: https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-announces-ambitious-goal-of-100-per-gallon-gas-by-end-of-first-100-days-in-office.Doesn't really matter what your political opinion is, how you voted, what news shows you watch -- combustion engines are finished. Ten years from now, gas cars will be like film cameras. As far as the price of gas, it absolutely doesn't matter what Biden does, the (near) long term price of oil is only going one way -- that's down.

TonyMontanaaO7
02-22-21, 19:09
Biden Announces Ambitious Goal Of $100 Per Gallon Gas By End Of First 100 Days In Office.

"Washington, D. C. In spite of Democrats' best efforts to curb the use of fossil fuels, stubborn Americans continue to use them to power their automobiles and heat their homes. Biden is responding to this crisis with an ambitious new plan to raise the price of gas to $100 per gallon by the end of his first 100 days in office to fight global warming.

"Listen-- all these fossil fuels, they got to stop! Got to stop!" Biden said to the Secret Service agent pumping gas into his presidential limo. "We got to do something about these selfish Americans and one-horse kangaroo herders burning all these fuels without consequences. I know consequences. Just ask Corn Pop and his buddies. When I'm done with 'them, these Americans will never burn a gallon of gas again, Jack!

The administration has announced the "Gas Prices To The Mooooon" campaign-- a series of executive orders designed to drive the price of fuel up to make it unattainable to anyone except John Kerry.

When confronted with the question of how Americans will afford to get around with $100-per-gallon gas, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested they stay home and eat some ice cream instead.

Currently, the average price stands at $2.53 per gallon and rising, which experts say is likely Trump's fault. . ."

Humor: https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-announces-ambitious-goal-of-100-per-gallon-gas-by-end-of-first-100-days-in-office.This is insane, I would have to pay $1,260 for a full tank of gas. I'd be losing more money then I make so it wouldn't even be worth it to work. This would completely destroy our economy the average person still can't even afford electric cars and they are not sustainable either way.

John Clayton
02-22-21, 19:34
This is insane, I would have to pay $1,260 for a full tank of gas. I'd be losing more money then I make so it wouldn't even be worth it to work. This would completely destroy our economy the average person still can't even afford electric cars and they are not sustainable either way.https://babylonbee.com/ obviously, is a satire news site.

Travv
02-22-21, 19:42
Heart warming divorce lawyer story.

One afternoon a lawyer was riding in his limousine when he saw two men along the roadside eating grass. Disturbed, he ordered his driver to stop and he got out to investigate.

He asked one man, "Why are you eating grass?" "We don't have any money for food," the poor man replied. "We have to eat grass. " "Well, you can come with me to my house and I'll feed you," the lawyer said.

"But sir, I have a wife and two children with me. They are over there eating grass under that tree. " "Bring them along," the lawyer replied.

Turning to the second poor man he stated, "You may come with us, also. " The other man, in a pitiful voice, then said, "But sir, I also have a wife and six children with me!" "Bring them all as well," the lawyer answered. They all entered the car, which was no easy task, even for a car as large as the limousine. Once under way, one of the poor fellows turned to the lawyer and said, "Sir, you are too kind. Thank you for taking all of us with you. ".

The lawyer replied, "Glad to do it. You'll really love my place. The grass is almost a foot high. ".

Come on, Man! . . . did you really think there was such a thing as a heart-warming lawyer story? Look at Congress -- over 300 Lawyers! Biden is a lawyer and if you are hungry, come on over to his mansion. He has a big lawn with lots of grass that needs trimming! LOL.

"Biden Will Be First Lawyer-President Without a JD From the 'T-14' in a Century" Joe Biden earned his law degree from Syracuse University College of Law in 1968, while Kamala Harris graduated from the University of California Hastings College of the Law in 1989. By Karen Sloan.

January 19,2021 at 04:30 PM.


This is insane, I would have to pay $1,260 for a full tank of gas. I'd be losing more money then I make so it wouldn't even be worth it to work. This would completely destroy our economy the average person still can't even afford electric cars and they are not sustainable either way.

Paulie97
02-23-21, 05:57
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-to-claim-he-is-presumptive-2024-nominee-leader-of-gop-in-cpac-speech-report

And from the comments section. LOL.

"Has he gotten any new material or is this more of a greatest hits tour? Build the wall, drain the swamp, lock her up, stop the steal. Ahhh the classics." KnewRepublic.

ScatManDoo
02-24-21, 02:17
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-to-claim-he-is-presumptive-2024-nominee-leader-of-gop-in-cpac-speech-report

And from the comments section. LOL.

"Has he gotten any new material or is this more of a greatest hits tour? Build the wall, drain the swamp, lock her up, stop the steal. Ahhh the classics." KnewRepublic.Did he get Mexico to pay for the family cages that were installed in Walmarts?

ShooBree
02-25-21, 20:57
Interesting article about Andrew Cuomo.

https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-56120500

Travv
02-26-21, 21:15
"Washington, the. See. —As more and more Americans start wondering where the $2,000 stimulus checks Joe Biden promised are, especially as he's now decided to start meddling in Syria, Biden issued a statement today clarifying that the stimulus checks were "just an idea."

"The stimulus checks, see, they're just an idea," he said, shrugging off claims that the stimulus checks were supposed to be actual checks sent to Americans. "They're more of a metaphor. You might say the real stimulus checks were just the countries we bombed along the way, Jack. The real stimulus checks, ya see, they were inside us all along."

"You there, the grrr-- the girl with the pretty hair," he said, gesturing toward a reporter in the front row. "You're a stimulus check. And you, the guy with the mustache -- you're a stimulus check. In a way, all of us are stimulus checks when we live according to the American values of love, progress, and unity. We can all become the stimulus checks we wish to see in the world."

Biden's statement brought everyone in the room to tears, and Snopes quickly fact-checked his claim that the stimulus checks were never intended to be literal but were always "just an idea" as "double-plus true."

https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-clarifies-that-stimulus-checks-are-just-an-idea SATIRE.

Canada
02-27-21, 23:46
Doesn't really matter what your political opinion is, how you voted, what news shows you watch -- combustion engines are finished. Ten years from now, gas cars will be like film cameras. As far as the price of gas, it absolutely doesn't matter what Biden does, the (near) long term price of oil is only going one way -- that's down.Gas cars will still be here 25 years from now. They aren't going anywhere. Most states don't have enough electricity to handle their demand now let alone when half the population switches to electric cars. The electric cars won't be much use without electricity. If they were smart they would switch everything to natural gas. Texas power failure pretty much proved that.

Canada
02-27-21, 23:55
Natural gas is why Texas is in crisis. All the valves and control systems don't like the cold so the gas doesn't flow! Solar and wind are taking over because they are cheaper irrespective of government policy. Nuclear is just not economic to build at least not in the US. This week Texas showed what poor policy brings you. They don't plan for freezing weather and when they get it they cannot cope. Wind turbines work in frezzing conditions if you put the anti freeze devices on them. Natural gas flows when you use the correct valves and control systems. Republicans fail again and try to blame everyone but their own policy failures. Maybe if they connected to other grids then they could have been helped out by competent operators.Natural gas valves don't freeze up in cold. Canada, Alaska and Siberia were all colder than 40 below in the last month and they didn't have any power failures. The fact is wind will not work in ice storms or sever cold weather efficiently. And then when you have a power outage gas generators or hydroelectric produce high power rates quickly after an outage but wind and solar are slow recovering especially with no sun or wind. Once gain you listened to the idiot progressives like AOC. Don't write these fabricated lies.

Golfinho
02-28-21, 01:05
What happened in Texas:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/02/26/when-power-grids-secede-what-happened-in-texas/

GDreams
02-28-21, 03:33
Natural gas valves don't freeze up in cold. Canada, Alaska and Siberia were all colder than 40 below in the last month and they didn't have any power failures. The fact is wind will not work in ice storms or sever cold weather efficiently. And then when you have a power outage gas generators or hydroelectric produce high power rates quickly after an outage but wind and solar are slow recovering especially with no sun or wind. Once gain you listened to the idiot progressives like AOC. Don't write these fabricated lies.Yes once again what you say is just plain stupid. It pretty easy for anyone who can read to discover that the it was the gas and coal generators that dropped causing the outages just like it was 10 years ago before there were wind and solar generation all over the place. Having spent 5 years in Mongolian winters I know a little about winterising industrial plants. The reality is wind turbines operate in many freezing climates if you spend the money allow them to operate. Just the same as valves don't freeze instruments don't fail and all the other things don't fail if you spend the money to correct the deficiencies that they experience just 10 years ago. But Texans don't like to spend money they like to be deregulated and put up with failure. I think they should be left to freeze in their own stupidity and greed. But we all know they will behave just like Canada and pretend it was the tooth fairy (AOC) that caused their problems rather than their own stupidity. You must be really happy living in the US that has 75 m really stupid people you can fit right in with.

Canada
02-28-21, 22:16
Yes once again what you say is just plain stupid. It pretty easy for anyone who can read to discover that the it was the gas and coal generators that dropped causing the outages just like it was 10 years ago before there were wind and solar generation all over the place. Having spent 5 years in Mongolian winters I know a little about winterising industrial plants. The reality is wind turbines operate in many freezing climates if you spend the money allow them to operate. Just the same as valves don't freeze instruments don't fail and all the other things don't fail if you spend the money to correct the deficiencies that they experience just 10 years ago. But Texans don't like to spend money they like to be deregulated and put up with failure. I think they should be left to freeze in their own stupidity and greed. But we all know they will behave just like Canada and pretend it was the tooth fairy (AOC) that caused their problems rather than their own stupidity. You must be really happy living in the US that has 75 m really stupid people you can fit right in with.Facts from an anti Trump, as national energy Liberal news outlet is not news.

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CNN now calls Trump cages for children Migratory residences because Biden is using them.

If you think frozen wind mills generate energy with no wind and solar generates energy in the dark then you are a good socialist.

GDreams
03-01-21, 02:37
If you think frozen wind mills generate energy with no wind and solar generates energy in the dark then you are a good socialist.Yep you are a genius, wind turbines don't generate with no wind and solar panels don't operate in the dark. Who would believe this if you hadn't said it. Still it seems every but you and your conservative moron friends still cannot grasp that the Texas power failures was brought on by the lack of gas, coal and nuclear capacity due to the cold causing supply and instrumentation failures. But write some more irrelevant bullshit to deflect from an argument you can't win. But try reading this from the people who regulate the power industry in Texas:

ERCOT says 46,000 megawatts were offline as of Wednesday. There are 70 to 80 power plants offline as of Wednesday, out of 680 across the state. Thermal energy -- natural gas, coal and nuclear -- made up 28,000 of those megawatts while wind and solar made up the other 16,000.

"The ability for gas generators to produce, particularly at full output, was affected by the freezing impact on the natural gas supply," Bill Magness, ERCOT president and CEO, said during a livestream Wednesday. "So getting those resources back is the central solution to getting people their power back. ".

Approximately 40% of generators went offline due to the cold weather. The significant drop in power generated led to rolling blackouts across the state as ERCOT tried to keep a balance between the supply and demand in order to prevent a "catastrophic" blackout. This made the outage last much longer than ERCOT anticipated.

As for prepping power plants for extreme cold to prevent generators from freezing, Dan Woodfin, senior director of system operations for ERCOT, says there are national standards being considered, but they have yet to be mandatory.

PVMonger
03-01-21, 14:51
Yep you are a genius, wind turbines don't generate with no wind and solar panels don't operate in the dark. Who would believe this if you hadn't said it. Still it seems every but you and your conservative moron friends still cannot grasp that the Texas power failures was brought on by the lack of gas, coal and nuclear capacity due to the cold causing supply and instrumentation failures. But write some more irrelevant bullshit to deflect from an argument you can't win. But try reading this from the people who regulate the power industry in Texas:

ERCOT says 46,000 megawatts were offline as of Wednesday. There are 70 to 80 power plants offline as of Wednesday, out of 680 across the state. Thermal energy -- natural gas, coal and nuclear -- made up 28,000 of those megawatts while wind and solar made up the other 16,000.

"The ability for gas generators to produce, particularly at full output, was affected by the freezing impact on the natural gas supply," Bill Magness, ERCOT president and CEO, said during a livestream Wednesday. "So getting those resources back is the central solution to getting people their power back. ".

Approximately 40% of generators went offline due to the cold weather. The significant drop in power generated led to rolling blackouts across the state as ERCOT tried to keep a balance between the supply and demand in order to prevent a "catastrophic" blackout. This made the outage last much longer than ERCOT anticipated.."Canada" is proof that tRUMPettes only believe what tRUMP and other tRUMPettes tell him.

GDreams
03-01-21, 15:15
For years, companies pledged sky-high returns even when oil was as low as $50 a barrel. But those promises were never kept. Over the past decade, shale oil and gas producers burned through more than $300 billion in capital spending above the cash generated from oil revenues, according to Deloitte LLP. That resulted in massive flows of oil but little in the way of financial returns to investors.

Travv
03-01-21, 17:44
"WEST PALM Beach, FL—With many voters around the country disappointed that Biden hasn't given them $2,000 yet, Trump seized the political opportunity to promise that if he's elected in 2024, he will ensure every American receives a stimulus check for $2,001 dollars.

"Sleepy Joe promised a $2,000 stimulus, and where is it?" said Trump in a statement from his Mar-a-Lago resort. "Total disgrace. Too busy bombing people in Syria maybe, who knows! Everyone knows I would do a better job of passing stimulus than Sleepy Joe. I'll even do better! $2,001 dollars! How does that sound?

Biden was so outraged by Trump's taunt that he challenged him to a soda-drinking contest at the local five & dime.

According to experts, the presidential race in 2024 will just be a large auction where candidates outbid each other to buy everyone's votes with printed money. Presidential hopeful AOC set a high bar this morning by tweeting a promise of infinity dollars to every American. . ."

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-promises-to-give-everyone-2001-dollars-if-hes-elected-president-again SATIRE.

Canada
03-01-21, 18:29
For years, companies pledged sky-high returns even when oil was as low as $50 a barrel. But those promises were never kept. Over the past decade, shale oil and gas producers burned through more than $300 billion in capital spending above the cash generated from oil revenues, according to Deloitte LLP. That resulted in massive flows of oil but little in the way of financial returns to investors.You are one of the few investors that did not make money on oil stocks. I bought Exxon in 2001 for $31.90 per share. Since 2001 the share price has been as high as $110 offering investors to cash out at a profit or as I have done just taken the 5-6% dividend every year. Current dividend is 6. 4% which I consider a good return. I bought EOG in 2002 for $10.25 per share and it is $65 today. EOG has paid dividend of 2-4% every year. Bought Conoco Phillips for $20 currently $53 paying 3. 31% dividend. Oil companies have historically paid between 3-6% dividends to shareholder besides their stock prices increasing. I never ever heard major oi companies promising sky high returns Must be a CNN thing. I am sure you are making millions of dollars on the solar and wind industry stocks.

You are correct about one thing. Oil companies have spent billions on investing in USA drilling resulting in USA not being dependent on foreign oil and not having to start wars to protect foreign oil. Consumers have benefited the most with cheap pump prices the last 4 years. But Biden is fixing that. We will kill our oil industry and buy our oil from the Middle East. Already working for Biden. Gas prices have gone up 80 cents a gallon since Biden took office and will go up at least another. 50 to $1. 00 per gallon in the next few months. Oil prices have gone up from $38 to $62 per barrel since Biden too office This hurts the low income families the most.

I am sure your news outlets will dispute this and it is Trumps fault that Biden killed the oil industry.

John Clayton
03-01-21, 19:37
... Gas prices have gone up 80 cents a gallon since Biden took office and will go up at least another. 50 to $1. 00 per gallon in the next few months. Oil prices have gone up from $38 to $62 per barrel since Biden too office ...You're confusing coincidence with causality. Gasoline is up due to cold weather and refinery shut downs. In fact, the prices of gasoline and oil are not very well correlated. Look at the future pricing for Brent. Most people are predicting $50/ bbl for the next year. Oil is a world commodity and Biden, regardless of what he does will be able to do little to affect the price / bbl.

In your opinion was Trump good for the oil industry? Brent started 2020 strong $60. Then it went down to $9 in April! Did Trump do that? Maybe you're a Canadian and you're aggrieved at the Keystone XL decision? Alberta tar sand oil costs ~$80/ bbl to produce, so that pipeline has been a money losing idea since 2014. Given long term supply and demand trends, I don't think anyone who is not the victim of a political cult, believes (sufficiently to bet their money on it) that heavy crude is ever going $100/ bbl again.

GDreams
03-02-21, 11:52
You are one of the few investors that did not make money on oil stocks. I bought Exxon in 2001 for $31.90 per share. Since 2001 the share price has been as high as $110 offering investors to cash out at a profit or as I have done just taken the 5-6% dividend every year. Current dividend is 6. 4% which I consider a good return. I bought EOG in 2002 for $10.25 per share and it is $65 today. EOG has paid dividend of 2-4% every year. Bought Conoco Phillips for $20 currently $53 paying 3. 31% dividend. Oil companies have historically paid between 3-6% dividends to shareholder besides their stock prices increasing. I never ever heard major oi companies promising sky high returns Must be a CNN thing. I am sure you are making millions of dollars on the solar and wind industry stocks.

You are correct about one thing. Oil companies have spent billions on investing in USA drilling resulting in USA not being dependent on foreign oil and not having to start wars to protect foreign oil. Consumers have benefited the most with cheap pump prices the last 4 years. But Biden is fixing that. We will kill our oil industry and buy our oil from the Middle East. Already working for Biden. Gas prices have gone up 80 cents a gallon since Biden took office and will go up at least another. 50 to $1. 00 per gallon in the next few months. Oil prices have gone up from $38 to $62 per barrel since Biden too office This hurts the low income families the most..I said nothing about my investments. What has you buying stock 20 years ago got to do with anything? Nothing of what you have said changes the fact that in the past 7 years oil companies are $300 b in the whole for drilling against returns. $300 b of subsidies would go a long way towards lots of shiny solar panels and lots of scenic windmills and at least get to breath clean air.

The estimated cost for remediating and capping abandoned oil and gas wells is $2 trillion dollars. Imagine what the cost would be to pay for that at the pump but Republicans are happy for the ground water contamination, the methane leakages the oil seepages because they will accept any consequences if it saves a buck.

Vagabundo1
03-02-21, 13:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0tFgPG26vA&feature=youtu.be

Here in Rio, Glenn Greenwald asks the important question of why liberals hate Joe Rogan, who is very liberal.

Canada
03-02-21, 22:58
I said nothing about my investments. What has you buying stock 20 years ago got to do with anything? Nothing of what you have said changes the fact that in the past 7 years oil companies are $300 b in the whole for drilling against returns. $300 b of subsidies would go a long way towards lots of shiny solar panels and lots of scenic windmills and at least get to breath clean air.

The estimated cost for remediating and capping abandoned oil and gas wells is $2 trillion dollars. Imagine what the cost would be to pay for that at the pump but Republicans are happy for the ground water contamination, the methane leakages the oil seepages because they will accept any consequences if it saves a buck.If these oil companies lost so much money the last few years how are they still managing to pay 6% dividends to their shareholders every year.

ScatManDoo
03-02-21, 23:57
If these oil companies lost so much money the last few years how are they still managing to pay 6% dividends to their shareholders every year.In 20152016, the federal government provided $14.7 billion per year to the oil, gas, and coal industries, on top of $5.8 billion of state-level incentives (globally, the figure is around $500 billion!

Republicans keep selling the oil industry as essential to national security.

Hopefully Joe Biden will stop the excessive subsidies those parasite oil companies subsist on.

US is currently on track to shower domestic oil companies with a estimated $20 billion in subsidies this year.

Hopefully smarter minds quit propping up a dying, dinosaur industry that is ruining the planet with unnecessary pollution.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/jul/30/america-spends-over-20bn-per-year-on-fossil-fuel-subsidies-abolish-them#text=A%20 report%20 from%20 Oil%20 Change, figure%20 is%20 around%20%24500 bn).

GDreams
03-03-21, 01:30
If these oil companies lost so much money the last few years how are they still managing to pay 6% dividends to their shareholders every year.Because Investors change the price they pay for the stock to achieve their desired rate of return. I thought that was obvious to anyone but apparently not to a sophisticated investor such as yourself. Many drillers have gone bankrupt What's the return on Chesapeak energy in the last 5 years? Don't lump refiners and diversified industrials in with drilling.

Canada
03-03-21, 03:34
You're confusing coincidence with causality. Gasoline is up due to cold weather and refinery shut downs. In fact, the prices of gasoline and oil are not very well correlated. Look at the future pricing for Brent. Most people are predicting $50/ bbl for the next year. Oil is a world commodity and Biden, regardless of what he does will be able to do little to affect the price / bbl.

In your opinion was Trump good for the oil industry? Brent started 2020 strong $60. Then it went down to $9 in April! Did Trump do that? Maybe you're a Canadian and you're aggrieved at the Keystone XL decision? Alberta tar sand oil costs ~$80/ bbl to produce, so that pipeline has been a money losing idea since 2014. Given long term supply and demand trends, I don't think anyone who is not the victim of a political cult, believes (sufficiently to bet their money on it) that heavy crude is ever going $100/ bbl again.Even democrats acknowledge that the price of oil dictates the price at the pump. Socialist always want to fabricate their facts to suit their thinking. Gas at the pumps has gone up since Biden took office because oil price increased. Demand will have increase as Biden kills the USA oil industry.

Trump was good for the oil industry and all manufacturing and small business because he got rid of stupid regulations that Obama put in.

It is refreshing to know that all you socialists are getting rid of your gas cars, gas heating and appliances to go all electric. It will be great when flying overseas that none of you are flying on jet fueled aircraft and are waiting for the electric plane and the electric ship to travel. Isn't Fantasyland great.

Canada
03-03-21, 03:40
In 20152016, the federal government provided $14.7 billion per year to the oil, gas, and coal industries, on top of $5.8 billion of state-level incentives (globally, the figure is around $500 billion!

Republicans keep selling the oil industry as essential to national security.

Hopefully Joe Biden will stop the excessive subsidies those parasite oil companies subsist on.

US is currently on track to shower domestic oil companies with a estimated $20 billion in subsidies this year.

Hopefully smarter minds quit propping up a dying, dinosaur industry that is ruining the planet with unnecessary pollution.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/jul/30/america-spends-over-20bn-per-year-on-fossil-fuel-subsidies-abolish-them#text=A%20 report%20 from%20 Oil%20 Change, figure%20 is%20 around%20%24500 bn).Yes if the socialists get their agenda USA Air Force will no longer be using the dying dinosaur jet fuel but will be defending us with the electric fighter jet and wind glider. You and AOC will be able to sell the rest of the world with this new military.

ScatManDoo
03-03-21, 03:50
Yes if the socialists get their agenda USA Air Force will no longer be using the dying dinosaur jet fuel but will be defending us with the electric fighter jet and wind glider. You and AOC will be able to sell the rest of the world with this new military.So you can only discuss this topic by making silly false assertions that fossil fuel powered fighter jets will be a victim of expanded renewable energy source development.

How silly you seem to think.

John Clayton
03-03-21, 05:35
...What has you buying stock 20 years ago got to do with anything? ...Yeah, That.

Beno69
03-03-21, 09:02
Once gain you listened to the idiot progressives like AOC. Don't write these fabricated lies.And you read and listen to all this QAnon BS? In Texas 90% of the energy comes from Oil / Gas. There is only about 10% green Energy! But now they open Texas and no more mask. So maybe this QAnon Idiots kill them self.

ShooBree
03-03-21, 09:56
And you read and listen to all this QAnon BS? In Texas 90% of the energy comes from Oil / Gas. There is only about 10% green Energy! But now they open Texas and no more mask. So maybe this QAnon Idiots kill them self.https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/24202/texas-energy-mix-by-fuel-type/

You look like a fool making false claims.

Canada
03-03-21, 16:55
So you can only discuss this topic by making silly false assertions that fossil fuel powered fighter jets will be a victim of expanded renewable energy source development.

How silly you seem to think.John Kerry, AOC and the socialists plan for USA to get to zero emissions. Zero emissions means not one plane will be flying. Are you saying zero is not zero? Even CNN and MSNBC are touting this. Unbelievable that you didn't hear Kerry speech. He said the world is done if we do not achieve this. USA only puts out 10% of world emissions China and India are building new coal fired power plants. They are easily going to exceed what the USA is reducing. USA is supposed to suffer and ruin their economy so the rest of the word can succeed? Lower income families are already having problems paying their power bills. When they double with renewable energy what happens then? Are you socialists just brain washed Why do the American people have to suffer because of the stupidity of our new government.

ScatManDoo
03-03-21, 18:24
John Kerry, AOC and the socialists plan for USA to get to zero emissions. Zero emissions means not one plane will be flying. Are you saying zero is not zero? Even CNN and MSNBC are touting this. Unbelievable that you didn't hear Kerry speech. He said the world is done if we do not achieve this. USA only puts out 10% of world emissions China and India are building new coal fired power plants. They are easily going to exceed what the USA is reducing. USA is supposed to suffer and ruin their economy so the rest of the word can succeed? Lower income families are already having problems paying their power bills. When they double with renewable energy what happens then? Are you socialists just brain washed Why do the American people have to suffer because of the stupidity of our new government.This is not what is happening, this is just your personal bullshit.

Movement to greater amounts of clean, renewable energy sources does not mean there will no longer be air flight.

Nobody is stupid enough to believe your silly ranting.

Big oil is getting smaller, but not disappearing.

Boo!

Beijing4987
03-03-21, 18:49
Let's vote for our favorite troll for the Ignoble Prize in Economics. The only US president that has not been thoroughly trashed by our main candidate (not to be mentioned by handle) is Franklin Delano Roosevelt, elected four times. I Suggest a straw poll asking Americans if they would forgo their entitlements (roads, bridges, Medicare, social security, disaster relief and clean water) if zero environmental regulations were promised. If that's the case we honor Chicken Little as our economic guru. Let the free market reign from sea to rising seas.

John Clayton
03-03-21, 19:46
John Kerry, AOC and the socialists...I'm amazed by the fevered hysteria in these posts. Why are John Kerry and AOC so terrifying? Why does the prospect of driving an electric car engender this much fear?

Jckgmn
03-03-21, 19:58
I'm amazed by the fevered hysteria in these posts. Why are John Kerry and AOC so terrifying? Why does the prospect of driving an electric car engender this much fear?Mining operation, transportation of materials, refining materials, and construction of electric cars produces more carbon emissions per car than the cars already on the road. It's better to drive our current cars into the ground. So why the push for green? Control. Kerry knows this. AOC may not.

If you really want to help the environment, ride a bike.

Travv
03-03-21, 20:45
Absentminded Joe Biden Accidentally Mails Stimulus Checks To Defense Contractors Instead Of Americans.

"Washington, DC —Joe Biden is getting on in years. He's no spring chicken anymore. Well, that means that once in a while he has a senior moment, and yesterday was no exception. Biden suddenly realized that he had accidentally mailed nearly a trillion dollars in stimulus money to defense contractors instead of sending the checks to Americans as promised.

"Whoops-a-daisy!" he said, smacking his forehead as he realized his error. "Did I do that? Wow, that was some real malarkey. Hoo boy, I'd forget my head if Jill wasn't around to make sure I kept it screwed onto my shoulders. Oh boy, you really stepped in it this time, Joey boy."

Biden quickly called the defense contractors to get the checks returned, but it was too late, as they had already cashed them, purchased a bunch of bombs, and shipped them over to the Middle East to get dropped on Syria.

"Oh, man. Oh, well. No harm, no foul, I guess! Say, what say you and I meet up at Camp David next weekend to play that video game? The one with the nice Italian fellow? Mario Buggies!

https://babylonbee.com/news/absentminded-joe-biden-accidentally-mails-stimulus-checks-to-defense-contractors-instead-of-americans

Beijing4987
03-03-21, 20:48
I'm amazed by the fevered hysteria in these posts. Why are John Kerry and AOC so terrifying? Why does the prospect of driving an electric car engender this much fear?You can take my muscle car by prying off my cold dead fingers. Toss it into the bonfire with all the N95 masks that threaten my masculinity. I'll drive in circles in the next life.

ScatManDoo
03-03-21, 21:04
You can take my muscle car by prying off my cold dead fingers. Toss it into the bonfire with all the N95 masks that threaten my masculinity. I'll drive in circles in the next life.What caused you to fry your brain during this lifetime?