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01-01-06, 02:00
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Irish Lad
08-25-06, 12:43
hello all,

this is the link to [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901). i and a few others have met her (see perhaps 4/5 reports) in kiev and she's a real lady. $300 for all night and is a real gfe. an adventurous girl too who knows how to go with the flow. she's top of my kiev list.

http://www.singles.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=68761110

il

Serapi
09-13-06, 19:45
Give this anal crazed ***** a ring, she takes USD 100.- a whole night, dont spoil her cause she really loves sex [Telephone Number deleted by Admin]

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Sauce
09-14-06, 08:51
Give this anal crazed ***** a ring, she takes USD 100.- a whole night, dont spoil her cause she really loves sex [Telephone Number deleted by Admin]

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I would love to give Olena a call when I am in Kiev in a few weeks! Private message me with her telephone number!!!

Sauce

It Travel
09-14-06, 19:25
hello all,

this is the link to [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901). i and a few others have met her (see perhaps 4/5 reports) in kiev and she's a real lady. $300 for all night and is a real gfe. an adventurous girl too who knows how to go with the flow. she's top of my kiev list.

http://www.singles.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=68761110

il

she gave me her cellular... so i can test her... she is very shy in e-mail i do not know if the problem is her or of the language... somebody is thinking the she allows photo... bbbj or anal, with extra of course...

i will report in october

it

It Travel
09-14-06, 19:28
Give this anal crazed ***** a ring, she takes USD 100.- a whole night, dont spoil her cause she really loves sex [Telephone Number deleted by Admin]

EDITOR's NOTE: This report was edited to remove personal telephone numbers in the text. Please do not post personal telephone numbers in the Forum. Instead, please invite other Forum Members to contact you for this information directly via the Forum's Private Messaging system. Thanks!


From the pics I suppose she is 25-30 or so... but 100 USD for a night, if I understood right, with anal, sounds really incredible, even in Kiev.. Usually you have to go to real outskits for gettog such cheap... between 80 and 150 USD, but at least 150 km from kiev (othewise they will take the bus!).

IT

Alphamale
09-17-06, 23:08
You know,
it pisses me off when they treat us smucks like smucks:))
I was a bit bored and decided to check some websites and some local papers here in Kiev.
I called up vice kiev which is listed in a local paper here and they quoted 50 for the first hour and 30 for every hour thereafter.
Then I remembered they used to have some type of website because he girl said none of then do DATY of which I am a big fan.
I found the website
http://www.vicesisters.com/catalogue.php?co=217&id=3256&sex=F

of which I thought was affiliated but it was not. I rang the number and asked about the girl in the particular picture I was looking at, not being naive but just a bit hopeful:))
The woman directed me to the site
http://www.kievintim.com/

of which is exactly the same layout as and girls as

http://www.kievprivat.com/
now, I am not surprised, but the girl told me that the price was 80 dollars for the first hour and 30 every hour after that.
The funny thing is , when I called the number from Kievprivat the week before the charge was 60 for the first hour then 100 for two.
Same company, two different prices.
I am starting to lean that that is common practice here in Kiev.I know that
http://kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en/main/
has another site that includes exactly the same girls and charge a lot higher for the exact same ones. The owner obviously knows there are a lot of smucks out there and is capitalising on that.

CharlieH
09-18-06, 06:18
Pics on
http://kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en/main/
look fake to me, I think they got the pics from some porn sites.
Can anybody confirm?

Alphamale
09-18-06, 07:15
Pics on
http://kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en/main/
look fake to me, I think they got the pics from some porn sites.
Can anybody confirm?


The photos on Kiev beauties are extremely fake, The particular girls listed usually do realte to a girl they have on their books and possible looks very similar. But if you think about it as far as I know they have pretty much had the same photos for at least the last 18 months that I know of with a few minor changes here and there. But there is much more turnover in the industry usually than what they are showing.
I have confirmed a few myself and been told by people in the know about others.

Explorer69
09-18-06, 10:39
The photos on Kiev beauties are extremely fake, The particular girls listed usually do realte to a girl they have on their books and possible looks very similar. But if you think about it as far as I know they have pretty much had the same photos for at least the last 18 months that I know of with a few minor changes here and there. But there is much more turnover in the industry usually than what they are showing.

I have confirmed a few myself and been told by people in the know about others.From my experience they are all fake, tested two personally and also heard from others.

Mark Plus
10-01-06, 16:46
Please, give me the address of Gia site.

Zebulon1
10-01-06, 18:36
This is Gia:

http://www.gia.com.ua/http://gia.com.ua/about/


Please, give me the address of Gia site.

Raptor 09
10-02-06, 13:12
I just returned from Kiev and had a nice evening with Yana from www.gia.com.ua.

Very nice, intelligent lady. Extremely sexy outfit, nice DFK, nice BBBJ. I took her to dinner and later to my hotel. Damage was $400 for 8h.

Her face on the Gia-Website has been polished a bit as it is not as smooth in reality. However a beautiful young lady, well educated. She is highly recommended if you are looking for something beyond a quick encounter.

Raptor

Fido Dido
10-02-06, 22:10
. . . nice evening with Yana from . . . gia . . . Very nice, intelligent lady. Extremely sexy outfit, nice DFK, nice BBBJ. I took her to dinner and later to my hotel. Damage was $400 for 8h.Only in may of this year it was $500 for 24h with Yana. Hyper-inflation?

By the way the gia-website often results in the firewall on my PC giving warnings because of viruses, trojan horses or suspicious scripts.

Freshc
10-03-06, 09:06
By the way the gia-website often results in the firewall on my PC giving warnings because of viruses, trojan horses or suspicious scripts.Yeah, I got these warnings too from McAfee when I went there yesterday.

Angus Magee
10-03-06, 16:26
I just returned from Kiev and had a nice evening with Yana from www.gia.com.ua.


I would caution members that this web site contains some very "agressive" pop-ups.

Doctor_Skank
10-03-06, 22:03
If there website is full of viruses I wonder about the girls? :(

Omarbahar
10-06-06, 03:47
hi it travel could you please pass on [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s contact i would like to meet here when i visit next month


she gave me her cellular... so i can test her. she is very shy in e-mail i do not know if the problem is her or of the language. somebody is thinking the she allows photo. bbbj or anal, with extra of course.

i will report in october

it

Bez Bezarra
10-12-06, 12:25
I check some local papers here in Kiev.



Can you please say which "local Kiev newspapers" have
escort service telephone numbers, like an "introductions"
section, "znakomitsa"?

Please, I don't mean Kiev Post or What's On, I mean papers
written in russian for local ukrainains, not for tourists
or english speaking visitors.

Also, I don't mean "free flyers" that they leave in your mailbox.

I mean something like Iz Ruk v Ruki, or Premier, or Prospect.
But I never saw these zhournals in Kiev, they are only in other
cities. Don't they have ANYTHING in Kiev?? A city of more
than 2.5 million, and not even one zhournal with "znakomitsa"?

NOT EVEN ONE????? WHY????

ONLY INTERNET, ONLY???? KIEV is Tokyo now, where people
can ONLY communicate with internet? So everybody in Kiev
is on internet? NOBODY USES TELEPHONES, NEVER???

Sevastopol1
10-12-06, 13:15
Thats life in ukraine my son, get used to it or fuck orf, this is in the nicest possible way? Everyone must know the situation in Ukraine it is corrupt and unforgiving! I have lived here for 15 months now and I try not to be cynical about it. At the same time accept the situation and enjoy as I do!


You know,

it pisses me off when they treat us smucks like smucks:))

I was a bit bored and decided to check some websites and some local papers here in Kiev.

I called up vice kiev which is listed in a local paper here and they quoted 50 for the first hour and 30 for every hour thereafter.

Then I remembered they used to have some type of website because he girl said none of then do DATY of which I am a big fan.

I found the website

http://www.vicesisters.com/catalogue.php?co=217&id=3256&sex=F

of which I thought was affiliated but it was not. I rang the number and asked about the girl in the particular picture I was looking at, not being naive but just a bit hopeful:))

The woman directed me to the site

http://www.kievintim.com/

Of which is exactly the same layout as and girls as

http://www.kievprivat.com/

Now, I am not surprised, but the girl told me that the price was 80 dollars for the first hour and 30 every hour after that.

The funny thing is , when I called the number from Kievprivat the week before the charge was 60 for the first hour then 100 for two.

Same company, two different prices.

I am starting to lean that that is common practice here in Kiev.I know that
http://kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en/main/
has another site that includes exactly the same girls and charge a lot higher for the exact same ones. The owner obviously knows there are a lot of smucks out there and is capitalising on that.

Mr6969
10-13-06, 13:59
Did anyone try any of the Girls from Top-Models.com.ua ther is a real photo section, but are the photos real and do they provide a GFE service

Could anyone provide some feedback based on a personal expriance

Cruiser D
10-13-06, 22:43
Hey Bez,

Kiev does has a Russian paper like Premier Express, or at least they did last winter. Don't remember the name but they did have escort ads.

Bez Bezarra
10-14-06, 01:46
Kiev has a Russian paper.

Don't remember the name

they did have escort ads.



Ok mongers. :(

WHAT IS THE FUCKING NAME OF THE FUCKING ZHOURNAL!!!!!! (Please:))

Spas.

Doctor_Skank
10-14-06, 10:17
Its been a long time since I read the newspaper in Ukraine.. but wasn't it called "makler"?

Bez Bezarra
10-14-06, 15:09
Its called "makler"



I thought I checked that one and it didn't have squat.
I'll check again.
They ought to just call it mongler.

Tremayne
10-20-06, 18:10
I've just come across an agency that I have not seen listed before, it's called www.sextravel.com.ua. Seems to have much the same format as Gia but at $80 per hour the prices are slightly cheaper. Has anyone tried this agency ?

Cruiser D
10-21-06, 01:30
If everything is on the up and up it's too expensive for what you are getting.

Uke Boy
10-21-06, 09:18
www.sextravel.com.ua is a rather poorly designed site with ladies, the best who are 7's at best. The good news is that the all pictures (the ones that load) seem to be real but as with Kiev, the lady you order from this site may not be the one to arrive.

Cruiser, sorry to say but the new price level in many cases seems to have reached $80 even for 6's-7's. Ladies all over the place are in price inflation mode, going from $60 to $70 and $80. That being said, if you are a regular, you can still negotiate a lower ($60) price.

A good thing with the site is that it has links to saunas in Kiev as well as throughout Ukraine that you can rent by the hour but that site is all in Russian. For those interested the direct link is http://www.sauna.net.ua

The hotels site is for a left bank "hourly" place intended solely for locals.

Bobus256
10-21-06, 09:38
And link to apartmens http://www.apkiev.com.ua/

Alphamale
10-21-06, 10:14
[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Can you please say which "local Kiev newspapers" have
escort service telephone numbers, like an "introductions"
section, "znakomitsa"?

Please, I don't mean Kiev Post or What's On, I mean papers
written in russian for local ukrainains, not for tourists
or english speaking visitors.

Also, I don't mean "free flyers" that they leave in your mailbox.



Sorry Bez to burst your bubble but the papers I was mentioning was exactly what you said " Free Flyers"
I don't read Russian or Ukrainian so have no idea about the local rags, just what they shove in my letterbox.

Ismael
10-21-06, 12:49
The site www.sextravel.co.ua has the same girls as a site I posted about a year ago http://www.sexykiev.biz/index.php. It’s an agency in Kiev. But they never provide the girl u ask for ;-)

Poka

Ismael
10-21-06, 12:54
I don’t know the names of the local papers. But I do know that you can find Kiosk’s that sell those papers almost on every corner in Kiev. So just spend about 20 grivnas and you have about 10 different lokal papers. I’m sure you will find something in there ;-)

Uke Boy
10-21-06, 13:22
Do not click on the link in Ismael's message for the web site "www.sexykiev.biz"

I just made that big mistake. A downloader as well as a Trojan horse was being being forced into my system. The AV program took care of it but it was not easy.

Do not go to that site even if you have AV protection.

Guys, make sure those links are legitmate and not traps for the unsuspecting before you add them to any post, please.

Cruiser D
10-21-06, 13:26
That's it! I'm moving to Kharkov. ;)


www.sextravel.com.ua
Cruiser, sorry to say but the new price level in many cases seems to have reached $80 even for 6's-7's. Ladies all over the place are in price inflation mode, going from $60 to $70 and $80. That being said, if you are a regular, you can still negotiate a lower ($60) price.

Uke Boy
10-21-06, 16:05
Cruiser,

No need to move to Kharkov. If you do that, you may end up with a fate worse than $80, and that is going on a double date with our friend Vinnie!

The price inflation was coming anyway with everything locally going way up, from local market food goods to most especially apartment prices and rents, this was inevitable. The real estate market here is in the throes of what I believe is a major speculative boom that still does not want to collapse. Incredibly, many prices here for housing are almost on a par with those in New York City! That means many of the cheap apartments these independent ladies or even the bordellos have rented as their "love nests" have also gone up significantly in price. Alas, there is only one way for the ladies or bordellos to make back their "investments"...from our wallets.

However, I would rather pay $80 for an hour here (and I have rarely been disappointed) than 50 Euros for a 20 minute "suck-fuck" in Amsterdam where I have been disappointed many times.

The real idiocy to keep under control is to try and keep out the damned fools who come here and then pay $300 per hour for the same lady I would pay $60. Their throwing such money around for no good reason at all (the service provided will still be the same at any price) really makes it ultimately worse for the rest of us.

Ismael
10-21-06, 16:09
Sorry!!! Was not on purpose. It worked fine on my laptop and no viruses on it.... :-( ...... i copied the link from an earlier post. There it works fine too......

Bobus256
10-22-06, 00:29
Has not found any virus on a site strange http://www.sexykiev.biz

Live Yourdream
10-22-06, 13:27
Hi everybody,

found ISG only yesterday. I look for a young, slim, blonde girl that does anal in Kiev. Can anyone recommend someone pro/semi/amateur, all is ok.

Visited yesterday River Palace, but the place was quite empty (4 am), so I went home alone.

Thanks for help!

Tremayne
10-22-06, 17:25
Hi everybody,

found ISG only yesterday. I look for a young, slim, blonde girl that does anal in Kiev. Can anyone recommend someone pro/semi/amateur, all is ok.

Visited yesterday River Palace, but the place was quite empty (4 am), so I went home alone.

Thanks for help!

How about a young slim brunette ? If yes, then ring 80675069722 and ask for Ira but stress that it must be Ira or no deal. Her number is 24 for id purposes.

MarkABC
10-22-06, 17:57
Arrive at River Palace around midnight and you will have a large choice of girls. Most of the girls like to leave the disco between 1:00 and 3:00 am. After 3:00 am the choice is indeed limited.

It Travel
10-23-06, 19:21
Arrive at River Palace around midnight and you will have a large choice of girls. Most of the girls like to leave the disco between 1:00 and 3:00 am. After 3:00 am the choice is indeed limited.

I agree totally, look what I have written on timing in the Kiev reports. Perhaps getting thre early you might not get her down so much in price (diffrence is not more than 50 bucks). But you get better selection...
Next time I will be there around 9.30 I have to make a selection bfore 10.30, otherwise I'll start calling others...

IT

Himself
10-23-06, 22:27
Did we have this one before?

http://www.vipgirls.com.ua/

HS

Live Yourdream
10-24-06, 20:02
Thanks everybody for the support! I will check out next the advice!

Finally, thats what I experienced one day later:

Selected one girl (Ludmila) from www.kiev-x.com, called her and asked whether the picture on the website is real and if its right that she does anal. Her answer was sure pic is 100% real and anal is ok. One hour later the bell rang and two girls stood in front of me. Both not the girl from the picture, but one 19y blonde girl I really liked. The other girl black hair around 30.

Now it starts: The blonde said I don't do anal, if you want anal my friend will do, you can choose or have us together for extra costs.

So I decided to take both for 2h. It was ok, but nothing so special. What should I say - I feel fooled, but I was to horny to send them away. I think I had to learn my lesson.

Most of the pics on all the websites seem to be fake pics - anyone who knows who is real on the sites?

ChrisForSex
12-27-06, 00:18
Thanks everybody for the support! I will check out next the advice!

Finally, thats what I experienced one day later:

Selected one girl (Ludmila) from www.kiev-x.com, called her and asked whether the picture on the website is real and if its right that she does anal. Her answer was sure pic is 100% real and anal is ok. One hour later the bell rang and two girls stood in front of me. Both not the girl from the picture, but one 19y blonde girl I really liked. The other girl black hair around 30.

Now it starts: The blonde said I don't do anal, if you want anal my friend will do, you can choose or have us together for extra costs.

So I decided to take both for 2h. It was ok, but nothing so special. What should I say - I feel fooled, but I was to horny to send them away. I think I had to learn my lesson.

Most of the pics on all the websites seem to be fake pics - anyone who knows who is real on the sites?As far as I know almost no pics are real. You should be especially prudent if a girl is extremely beautiful but the price is low.

Fido Dido
01-15-07, 23:06
Some comments on posts that might be an advertisement from GIA masquerading as a legit report.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=548485#post548485
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=552441#post552441

It Travel
02-06-07, 10:10
I just wonder if somebody has used already these sites...

http://www.kievx.com.ua/

and

http://www.uakisski.com/

Which seems made for locals and the prices are still resonable... sure some fake photo but generally seems OK

Any Info?

IT

It Travel
02-06-07, 10:25
Some comments on posts that might be an advertisement from GIA masquerading as a legit report.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=548485#post548485
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=552441#post552441

I might agree...

some are too evident. I must say as already said that I use Gia often... I find that 500 USD now a mere 385 € for a girl like Yulia or Irina for a full day (24 h)... usually I manage to give them at least four or five mouthfull loads (plus the facial ones)...

Not so expensive and safe.

Some girls at Gia are not so warm in bed... some aren't even so beautiful.. but you have to try two or three (perhaps for 3-4 hours) and then make your choiche. when you go to day price for longer term I find that 300 USD/day is quite convenient...

IT

PS I'll soon be there... and report you all

Explorer69
02-06-07, 15:25
I just wonder if somebody has used already these sites...

http://www./

and

http:///

Which seems made for locals and the prices are still resonable... sure some fake photo but generally seems OK

Any Info?

ITI was In Kiev 3 weeks ago. I had girlfriends, but was one evening/night alone. So in the afternoon I looked into www.kievx.com.ua and www.uakisski.com. I ended up with a girl that I found there through some link (unfortunately I am not able to find that link again:)) her name was Vlada and was a sweet 20 year old brunette on the pictures. She stated that she spoke English. I called her, asked if the pictures were of her, she said yes, and I said: for 2 hours (USD 140).

She arrived and it was obvious that the pictures were fake. She was 20, a student and working independently. Not very good-loking. I should have sent her away, but did not. It was the worst sewxual experience I ever had in Ukraine!!

Afterwards I was so frustrated that I went to strip club Millenium, took the best -looking dancer out for the night (USD 400). But to see an almost perfect body bending and strectching herself in passion is a great experience...

Conclusion: be very careful with these websites! I am certain you find some gems there as well, but be prepared to send away - which after being on the net and the phone for a long time to find a girl, is very frustrating in itself

Cruiser D
02-07-07, 13:06
Explorer, it is absolutely amazing how these girls can dance all night, then fuck your brains out and in some cases go back to the club that same night and do it again.

Explorer69
02-07-07, 18:54
Explorer, it is absolutely amazing how these girls can dance all night, then fuck your brains out and in some cases go back to the club that same night and do it again.You are right, absolutely right:).

But in this case she left with me at 11 pm and she stayed until she had to be back to the club at closing time! It was expensive, but fabulous.

Terjep
02-07-07, 21:15
Thanks everybody for the support! I will check out next the advice!

Finally, thats what I experienced one day later:

Selected one girl (Ludmila) from www.kiev-x.com, called her and asked whether the picture on the website is real and if its right that she does anal. Her answer was sure pic is 100% real and anal is ok. One hour later the bell rang and two girls stood in front of me. Both not the girl from the picture, but one 19y blonde girl I really liked. The other girl black hair around 30.

Now it starts: The blonde said I don't do anal, if you want anal my friend will do, you can choose or have us together for extra costs.

So I decided to take both for 2h. It was ok, but nothing so special. What should I say - I feel fooled, but I was to horny to send them away. I think I had to learn my lesson.

Most of the pics on all the websites seem to be fake pics - anyone who knows who is real on the sites?Did trys 2 different girls from http://www.sextravel.com.ua/ and they did have the correct photos.

NeilSydney
02-13-07, 01:04
I used to use Gia all the time prior to the 'Orange Revolution' in 2004. Back then, I felt 'ripped off' paying $70USD for 2 hours but was always very happy with the service, so I was a returning customer. This always included bbbj and in many cases anal...ah, sweet Larisa, wish she was around still.

Now as I return to Kiev, 3 years later, I am saddened by the new pricing. Its now often 140-150usd for 2 hours and sometimes you have to pay additional $10-20 for bbbj, cim, things like that. And anal is no longer available.

I can understand the market changes, and it has been 3 years. But what made Gia my favourite years ago was that it was reliable and yet cheaper than other agencies, albeit some of the women weren't quite as good looking. But now, what is there to distinguish between Gia and using others? I guess I'll answer this question in a few weeks time.

And the thought of what RP girls might be charging nowadays (quoting 200-300usd 3 years ago).....its scary.

NeilSydney
02-13-07, 01:50
The photos on Kiev beauties are extremely fake, The particular girls listed usually do realte to a girl they have on their books and possible looks very similar. But if you think about it as far as I know they have pretty much had the same photos for at least the last 18 months that I know of with a few minor changes here and there. But there is much more turnover in the industry usually than what they are showing.
I have confirmed a few myself and been told by people in the know about others.I had some excellent results using this service back in 2004, though I got cheaper prices than quoted on the website through using a number posted on this forum back then. I actually blind called and just asked them to send some girls based on my descriptions and they were both young and hot. NEITHER though did bbbj which was very rare in 2004 Kiev. So, I was wondering whether anyone has had any feedback on this service in recent times? Thanks.

Bobus256
02-13-07, 13:11
New escort agency Kiev:

http://www.sextravel.com.ua/

Ismael
02-14-07, 00:35
Site is maybe new....pix taken from sexykiev.biz.... mostly fake pix ..... and if they are real, the girls will be at least 3 years older :-)))) Cause the pix are that old....

Robert1110
02-21-07, 02:21
The real idiocy to keep under control is to try and keep out the damned fools who come here and then pay $300 per hour for the same lady I would pay $60. Their throwing such money around for no good reason at all (the service provided will still be the same at any price) really makes it ultimately worse for the rest of us.I said this very same thing to another ISG member today while having a beer on k street. I guess these idiots want to impress the ladies. Funny thing is, I am sure while the lady is smiling and saying thank you while she is putting the $$ in her purse, she is thinking "dumbass" or the Russian equivalent.

Live Yourdream
02-27-07, 20:15
My experience is that you pay 80 US$ per hour for a 18-25 year old. Two hours 160 US$, sometimes anal is a 20 US$ extra.

More nobody needs to pay unless you find a real 10.

Doctor_Skank
02-27-07, 20:43
I said this very same thing to another ISG member today while having a beer on k street. I guess these idiots want to impress the ladies. Funny thing is, I am sure while the lady is smiling and saying thank you while she is putting the $$ in her purse, she is thinking "dumbass" or the Russian equivalent.

I agree in principal with you and I am notoriously cheap when it comes to pro sex. I don't like to pay more than $150/2 hours... and certainly pay less when I can get away with it. I also agree that the girls charging $60/hour in salons (of which they only keep about half) are often just as hot (or hotter) and sweeter than those RP sharks. Or maybe the RP sharks just figured out a better way to make money.

But assuming Russian/Ukrainian girls think men paying more are "dumbasses" doesn't take into account that they associate wealth (or the ability to pay more) with strength, success and often, attractiveness.

Dumbasses are those paying more than they can afford... guys paying $300 when they only make $1200 a month.

But guys who pay $300 without blinking an eye because they can... believe me, girls don't think they are dumbasses.

Street Sleuth
02-28-07, 00:14
I'm also on the cheap side when it comes to P4P, but, having given it some thought, if I were in, say, Kiev (not there at the moment), and had money to burn, I would probably just go ahead and find the hottest girl at RP, and pay her whatever she wanted for a full night of fun. Why not?

Now, I'm far from broke, but I wouldn't say that I have money to burn. So I don't go for the $300 RP types, and you'll often hear me gripe about the costs of living in Ukraine in general.

In order to spend $300+ on P4P, without thinking twice, I figure, you need to make $300k+/year. Sure, you can afford it on a lot lower income, but you need to start budgeting...

As for the quality in the $60 salons - my (limited) experience is that the quality is rarely all that great - this has been my experience throughout Russia and Ukraine.

Fact is, the best girls in the FSU aren't really available as P4P, in the traditional sense. Well, maybe a few - but that's why they're $300+!

Uke Boy
03-03-07, 16:47
This message just came in from GIA:

Dear sirs,

We are glad to introduce a new mailing for your watch and attraction. We hope to transform this mailing to free opened exchange where all opposite
sides can discuss their live issues, topical problems etc. The subject of this mailing is erotic in all developments.

Both individual escort ladies and escort agencies will advertise the services.

Men and women can view more information according to their interests without searching the web. We shall try to buck up this process like rank-and-file members.

Dear men! At last your natural active position may be realized now. To subscribe this mailing you can visit

Deleted because of this forum's rules about competitive forums

and register as a member. Contact us if you want to get an invitation from "Professional Escorts ********".

Sincerely,
Anna Belenko
Moderator
GIA company

I tried to use the link in their message but it led to nowhere, document not found. Just another typical Ukrainian experience with GIA.

I just wonder how much will be honest discussion and how much will be weighted towards the overpriced but "real photo" GIA experience?

Cruiser D
03-03-07, 16:51
Hey wasn't Anna Belenko the name of a person who posted a very favorible review on GIA a couple of months ago?

What are the odds they would share the same name!?

Uke Boy
03-03-07, 16:59
Cruiser,

How can you think that GIA would post reviews of its own ladies?

That would be fraud.

They wouldn't do that, would they???

Uke Boy
03-07-07, 16:37
IT,

I am moving this discussion from the General Info to the Kiev Escorts where it really belongs.

Unfortunately, GIA is the only real agency in town. Everything else is either a bordello service with incalls and outcalls or independents, or it is the River Palace option. With web sites, the real problem with that is that you really have to know Russian in 98% of the cases or try to struggle with their very poor or limited English when contacting the dispatchers or ladies.

Right now the best site is top-models.com.ua where you have the chance to see mostly real photos where noted and there is also an English language option to the site. Lots do anal.

As for ChrisforSex and his fraud review of Ania, I thought I would insert this translated from the Russian review of Ania from the fucker.com.ua site from a few days ago. It gives a better description of the lady and her services:

"This new lady from GIA is not really new. She has worked there before several years ago under the name Vera, she then left and has come back several times since. She is originally from Nikolaev and her real name is Vika. She works as a hair stylist constantly not shutting up about how talented she really is. If you don't somehow shut her up, she will continue in this vein.

About a year ago she started to add fat and weight but in the photos, they made her into a beauty. In reality she is now significantly heavier, and not proportionally she has a bigger belly and droopy ass cheeks as well as the breasts having lost their original shape.

Here is the run down on a scale of 1-5 (5 best):

Body - 3
Oral Sex - 3 (BBBJ is not recommended!)
Sex - 3
Anal - No but you get her really drunk, she will do anal and it will be a 4+
Attitude to the Client - 3+

GIA gets worse each succeeding month The only plus is the more or less real photos but they are all photoshopped."

This is what I and many others who are not GIA employees such as ChrisforSex have been saying. And these are also locals saying the same damn thing.

Perhaps GIA, sorry, I meant their employee ChrisforSex, or perhaps even his employer from GIA who has posted on ISG, Anna Belenko, care to comment about their very high prices, their poor quality ladies, the extraordinary photoshopping of the ladies' pctures to make them far, far better than they really are and the fact, for IT Travel's benefit, that no one does anal, at least not on the site?

Noris Max
03-12-07, 23:16
Oh, God! GIA agency really helped me to obtain the worst escort experience, I’ve ever had!

Having arrived in Kiev, on business, I decided to make an appointment with one of the escorts, frankly speaking, for me it is like some tradition, to fuck escort girls during my staying in various countries; I travel a lot, so it was not my first experience with escort girl.

Having looked through GIA web-page (I prefer making choice by looking at real photos), so in that way I chose one of the escorts, I don’t remember her name exactly, but according to pic. It was young girl, 20 y. O. , tiny, medium breast size, with shining long dark hair, dressed in luxurious lingerie.

Oh, fuck! What I’ve got! First in my life, I realized how the pic. Could be changed by someone, and in reality that girl appeared to be absolutely different, TERRIBLE TERRIBLE DIFFERENT!

She was at least 28, her face looked very tired and old, with some marks on it, besides I felt nasty alcohol smell coming from that girl, she appeared to have taken it for weeks. She was fat with dropping breasts, and she had body like she was 35-40. My wife is 42, we have 2 children, and she looks like a model to compare with the girl I got from GIA.

I was shocked, so I was sitting on my sofa without saying anything. But the girl wasn’t shocked, and it was really funny, because she couldn’t say even a word in English, except "Money. Give me money".

So I gave money, and sent her back. I couldn’t imagine myself touching that girl. I thought, I simple was not lucky in Kiev, sometimes it happens.

After few weeks, I met my friends (in my native city), we have been meeting sometimes, to chat about everything, to take a beer or so on. We’ve just started chatting about girls, and one of my friend told us similar story which recently has happened with him in Kiev (it was really surprise for me). He just had an appointment with much worse escort girl from GIA agency, than I had!

SO LET’S MAKE A CONCLUSION!

Noris Max
03-12-07, 23:20
Uke Boy,

Please stop speake about fake agency GIA. Stop promote them

Uke Boy
03-13-07, 03:11
Noris,

If you have read anything I have written, you will know and understand that I have always been very critical of GIA. They are overpriced for Kiev with second rate ladies. The only good point that is important to mongers is that the photos are more or less the real photos of the ladies who will actually come to visit.

That being said, who the hell are you promoting this royal agency that you posted in the Kiev thread. Are you the manager or his friend?

I took a look at that site. The photos are ALL fake so that places you right away well below the poor quality of GIA. Not only that, but 200 EUROS for an hour? That is about TWICE the GIA rate and far more than you will pay with ladies from many other web sites at US $80 per hour!

The concept of VIP ladies, my friend, does not exist in Kiev except as a rip-off term.

So can you explain just how and why you are posting a site that is much worse than GIA?

The only answer is that you are the owner of that site and that your posts today are all lies.

I never thought that I would be defending such a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)-poor agency such as GIA but here is a miracle with another pimp trying to promote an agency that is extremely overpriced and should be closed tomorrow.

200 Euros. What a rip-off for Kiev.

Gentlemen do not use royal-kiev-escort.

You will be ripped off.

Uke Boy
03-14-07, 16:08
Chunky

I am moving this from General Info to Kiev Escorts.

I think it is time to out you as well. I suspect that GIA does not like what I write here and is contacting its friends to defend itself. How much did they pay you to write your trash post?

Saying that ladies would fuck for $20 or that I want to find someone for that price is pure and utter drivel. That being said, many of the GIA ladies I suspect are actually worth $20 or even less.

If you read Russian, go to the local Kiev forums, fucker.kiev.ua or ebi.te.ua. They have many reviews of GIA, its ladies and the prices. It is unanimously negative with many reviews and very strong criticisms that I also concur with. There is so much better out there than GIA if you know even a little Russian.

The pros here who advertise on various websites are priced range anywhere from a low of $70 to a high of $100 per hour. If you go to a site such as top-models.com.ua you will also see many girls with real photos. Many are also photoshopped but there is enough to make some nice choices. And the prices are lower than GIA, some even speak English.

If you want to pay the highest in prices for middle to poor quality ladies but you want to see what crap you will get then go to GIA. Your choice. It is my opinion just as you have yours.

However, you post a sorry defense of GIA yet you give us nothing about the ladies you likely have never met. As far as most here are concerned, go away and don't bother the rest of us unless you can contribute something that actually is useful.

Uke Boy
03-21-07, 21:46
I want to move my answer to the posts that were in General Info back to where it belongs in Kiev Escorts.

Kma12,

Explain to us that if you are a self-proclaimed non-pro-monger, then why are all your very few posts about pros? Where are your so-called non-pro posts?

Maybe you are ChrisforSex under another nick. He would rather PAY for GIA girls than get sex for free. That is one very sick dude.

Explorer69,

GIA's ladies are now the worst of the lot but they also have the highest prices.

The ladies are more or (mainly) less than what you see on the site plus they do provide the services listed. That makes them better than the other bordello-based agencies. Unfortunately they won't change their overpricing structure. There are too many visitors who come here who use them just based on the very successfully targeting of gullible foreigners.

Come to think about it, all you other guys, please use GIA and leave all the other ladies in Kiev to Cruiser and myself!

Cruiser D
03-22-07, 01:15
The girls working for GIA are average at best for Kiev. When their pricing was in line with that GIA was a 'ok' option. Now they are just too expensive for what they are offering. If a girl is getting $80/hr from GIA that means if she is lucky she is getting $40 and GIA is getting $40. It's a much better deal to find a better looking semi pro off the net who is offering herself for $60/hr.

Ulrico
04-07-07, 10:33
The girls working for GIA are average at best for Kiev. When their pricing was in line with that GIA was a 'ok' option. Now they are just too expensive for what they are offering. If a girl is getting $80/hr from GIA that means if she is lucky she is getting $40 and GIA is getting $40. It's a much better deal to find a better looking semi pro off the net who is offering herself for $60/hr.


Please, let me know some alternative websites in harmony with your statement!

Cruiser D
04-07-07, 10:38
RTFF. Would you like me to whistle that?

Kiev Vip
04-14-07, 09:47
I read a forum and almost to crying.

The company of experts poor escort has gathered discuss Kiev escort.

I can tell that in Kiev escorts a lot of shit meaning that come on any site with real photos.

You still have a member?

Then to you probably all the same what to fuck if you use these agencies.

Here write that girls 30 USD stand. :-), they are free-of-charge, and those that offer, they are ugly, it they should you pay for that that you fuck them instead of you it. And in general as it is possible to fuck them, they are fucked by more than 30-50 person in a month. They are sick prostitutes who bring to you illnesses, think a condom will help?

If you till now in it trust at sex with prostitutes you far are mistaken, one syphilis of 10 kinds and is transferred through a kiss and air. On it is treated will spend :-) more
And so these girls fucked with Chineses, Japanese, africans.... Oppositely!

You probably not that that do not love yourselves, and and the family and in general you are lost!

Wish to fuck very young girls with a beautiful figure and the excellent face so not on escort it is necessary to you, normal girls are necessary to you, and them to fuck it is possible and is free-of-charge (it at whom brains there is also an appearance though pleasant), and the rest, or to pay to girls costing in escort or is better make to itself pleasantly, than fuck prostitutes of a low level.

Looked at these prostitutes, ugly, old, they 5 years will work also all not workers.
More shortly would write down you on rates of a pickup so the majority already late, old, already only for sex of money to pay it is necessary.

More shortly I recommend to fuck or it is free-of-charge or expensive and beautiful girls, instead of to fall fucking old women for 30 dollars. And in general would be at you money cool girls would free of charge be hung up to you on a neck and up to an ass would be to you escort :-)

Cruiser D
04-14-07, 12:24
Can anyone translate that?

It's almost like Bez speak - Bez, what do you make of it?

Street Sleuth
04-14-07, 19:33
Sure thing.

Translation:

If am are girl fucking free not, you am is I girl pay fucking. Free. I are not say girl normal if not fucking, I is he not girl HIV getting. Am enjoying are advice free?

Piper1
04-14-07, 20:52
Can anyone translate that?

It's almost like Bez speak - Bez, what do you make of it?Bezspeak. I love it!

AColonizer
04-14-07, 21:53
Dear forum friends,

Kiev Vip wrote a good think about diseases with prostitutes but perhaps it is a false truth of the world.

I'm Italian and you know, Italian people are a church fiend people: Italians dislike prostitutes but a lot of youngsters, singles and family's fathers go with prostitutes. Sex is still a hard matter in Italy!

This is always my question about prostitutes: I never heard prostitutes die for diseases but only for drugs or murders. I always heard a lot of (not all) prostitutes become rich and they buy flats, houses and buildings and then they have a good life (after to have fucked money and life of a lot of customers!).

Prostitutes are not slaves or anormal women but they are just no-scruple manageress of theirself.

So I'm sure customers get diseases from prostitutes, with or without condoms.

I had the luck to know an Ucrainian prostitute here in Italy, near Venice, on the Terraglio road, Frescada village. Her name is Marina (I don't write her surname) from Kharkov. She was one the most important person of my life. She is one of the super-females whom we can find in the world. Unfortunately, because her job, she is pretty crazy. So now I lost her and she hates me but it is another story . . .

Kiev Vip, are you Ukrainian? Do you know what is the life style of the most Ukrainian people? Do you know some (or a lot?) very poor female childs are eager for food (and money) and they start prostitution between 8 and 13 years old? It's obvious they fuck (mouth, pussy and ass) at least 10 times at night for many years.

For example, Marina started prostitution at 13 years old in Kharkov and around, before a newbie ***** in a Kharkov brothel and then she became a professional ***** in a hotel out Kharkov. At that time prostitution was managered by policemen. Now she is 20 years old and she is still a beautiful, charming, lovely, good, easy-going girl. She has become pretty liar in this last years. She does some dangerous services without condoms (deepthroat and swallowing blowjobs above all). I know Marina enough and I know her health is not perfect but I know Marina cares herself very much and I prefer to fuck Marina instead of some other normal girls.

I think we could find prostitutes like Marina in Ukraine for 50 or 100 usd a night. They do every porn fantasy we have. Marina does every porn fantasy better than Jenna Jameson!

Why doesn't any god help people like Marina?


I read a forum and almost to crying.

The company of experts poor escort has gathered discuss Kiev escort.

I can tell that in Kiev escorts a lot of shit meaning that come on any site with real photos.

You still have a member?

Then to you probably all the same what to fuck if you use these agencies.

Here write that girls 30 USD stand. :-), they are free-of-charge, and those that offer, they are ugly, it they should you pay for that that you fuck them instead of you it. And in general as it is possible to fuck them, they are fucked by more than 30-50 person in a month. They are sick prostitutes who bring to you illnesses, think a condom will help?

If you till now in it trust at sex with prostitutes you far are mistaken, one syphilis of 10 kinds and is transferred through a kiss and air. On it is treated will spend :-) more
And so these girls fucked with Chineses, Japanese, africans.... Oppositely!

You probably not that that do not love yourselves, and and the family and in general you are lost!

Wish to fuck very young girls with a beautiful figure and the excellent face so not on escort it is necessary to you, normal girls are necessary to you, and them to fuck it is possible and is free-of-charge (it at whom brains there is also an appearance though pleasant), and the rest, or to pay to girls costing in escort or is better make to itself pleasantly, than fuck prostitutes of a low level.

Looked at these prostitutes, ugly, old, they 5 years will work also all not workers.
More shortly would write down you on rates of a pickup so the majority already late, old, already only for sex of money to pay it is necessary.

More shortly I recommend to fuck or it is free-of-charge or expensive and beautiful girls, instead of to fall fucking old women for 30 dollars. And in general would be at you money cool girls would free of charge be hung up to you on a neck and up to an ass would be to you escort :-)

Cruiser D
04-15-07, 21:06
Everything you need to know about prostitution can be found in the factual American documentary 'Pretty Woman'.

AColonizer
04-18-07, 12:36
I correct my sentence:

So I'm not sure about customers get diseases from prostitutes, with or without condoms because I never heard prostitutes die for diseases.

(To the moderator: how can I modify my previous posts?)

Michael70
05-19-07, 16:16
I am new to this forum and one of my friend told me about this fantastic forum.I will post all my previous experience in the Prague and Budapest section but I have very few infos about Ukraine.

I must go in Kiev in June for business and I am looking for a reliable escort agency.

Anyone has heard about these 3 agencies www.royal-kiev-escorts.com or www.kiev-escort-models.com and http://kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en ?

Thank you in advance,

Michael

Cruiser D
05-20-07, 03:21
First off, there are no reliable escort agencies in Kiev. It is always a wild case of YMMV. Second, the prices on those three sites are insane. You don't have to leave NYC, Paris or London for prices and quality like that.

The Stuntdick
06-03-07, 19:37
Has Anyone Tried Top-model Escort In Kiev?

Or Recommend Some Good Ones?

Thanks,

The Stuntdick

It Travel
06-04-07, 07:40
I am new to this forum and one of my friend told me about this fantastic forum.I will post all my previous experience in the Prague and Budapest section but I have very few infos about Ukraine.

I must go in Kiev in June for business and I am looking for a reliable escort agency.

Anyone has heard about these 3 agencies www.royal-kiev-escorts.com or www.kiev-escort-models.com and http://kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en ?

Thank you in advance,

Michael


I never use these agencys but they realy seem rip offs for foreigners... Of course the pics are usually (not all) unreal or photoshopped. And the price! wow!

Instead you can go to a "meat supermarked" called River Palace, every taxi know it, of course they will rip you off on taxi fare (should be 20-30 grivnas) and they will ask for 100 (back way ahen the metro stops may be even higher), but in the bar where you see and it's well lighted you will find shifing with the disco, between 10 to 20 girls, teens or so, all are avaliable, and not even their first request is so high!

IT

PS You can find a lot of pros, fine ones also, in the www.flirt.com.ua, but you need to know some Russian and register (free).

The higest prices are around 400 USD/night all included.

It Travel
06-04-07, 07:58
it,

i am moving this discussion from the general info to the kiev escorts where it really belongs.

unfortunately, gia is the only real agency in town. everything else is either a bordello service with incalls and outcalls or independents, or it is the river palace option. with web sites, the real problem with that is that you really have to know russian in 98% of the cases or try to struggle with their very poor or limited english when contacting the dispatchers or ladies.

right now the best site is top-models.com.ua where you have the chance to see mostly real photos where noted and there is also an english language option to the site. lots do anal.

as for chrisforsex and his fraud review of ania, i thought i would insert this translated from the russian review of ania from the fucker.com.ua site from a few days ago. it gives a better description of the lady and her services:

"this new lady from gia is not really new. she has worked there before several years ago under the name vera, she then left and has come back several times since. she is originally from nikolaev and her real name is vika. she works as a hair stylist constantly not shutting up about how talented she really is. if you don't somehow shut her up, she will continue in this vein.

about a year ago she started to add fat and weight but in the photos, they made her into a beauty. in reality she is now significantly heavier, and not proportionally she has a bigger belly and droopy ass cheeks as well as the breasts having lost their original shape.

here is the run down on a scale of 1-5 (5 best):

body - 3
oral sex - 3 (bbbj is not recommended!)
sex - 3
anal - no but you get her really drunk, she will do anal and it will be a 4+
attitude to the client - 3+

gia gets worse each succeeding month the only plus is the more or less real photos but they are all photoshopped."

this is what i and many others who are not gia employees such as chrisforsex have been saying. and these are also locals saying the same damn thing.

perhaps gia, sorry, i meant their employee chrisforsex, or perhaps even his employer from gia who has posted on isg, anna belenko, care to comment about their very high prices, their poor quality ladies, the extraordinary photoshopping of the ladies' pctures to make them far, far better than they really are and the fact, for it travel's benefit, that no one does anal, at least not on the site?


sorry for the delay...

on a general basis i agree with you. i must say that now there is even a girl doing anal as it was in the past. (zarina, but she gots lots of birth marks, and really saggy tits!).

i always pointed out all the photoshop problems and some "girl friend problems" you can have with gia girls. some may be too drunk ;)

at least i like two of them, one is fare better in reality than in pictures (as i wrote often), she is yulia. by the way very king and always ready to make you a bbbj with cim or cof. the other one is irina (the nurse), nice body as i like, not too tall and round, soft. good at sex but not exceptional.

the problem is as you say, that gia is the only agency you can really trust, no surprises, no theft etc. and that is worth something.

if you want a real heavy sex experience and you like full figured women you can try the former sveta now snejana. if she is enough drunk you can get the (not bad at all) experience of nearly beeing raped... by a 180/75 girl with dd cups riding you cowgirl and trying to break your bones.

it

It Travel
06-04-07, 10:19
I think most sites in English (only in English are just Tourist Traps).

Here a site usually with real pics:
http://www.kievintim.com/

An advertising site for independent workers (I know some pics from independent ads in flirt) The thing here is that even if the site is not so well done the operator is speaking English and will send you the girl you ask or another… the classical standard procedure:

You phone, you ask; they phone the girl, then thy phone back usually in 10 minutes. The girls normally are really on time. The photos are home made and usually real. The prices may vary but they are the standard you get by mail in flirt… with some extra for the broker service (not an agency the girls pay a monthly fee to be there like on www.intimcity.ru)

There is also:
http://www.uakisski.com/

But here it’s in Russian, cheaper and some more variety. The telephone are personal ones and usually the girls speak only Russian/Ukranian, but you can get one for the night starting at 250 USD up to 400 depending on girl and service (anal BBBJ etc). Also here usually the pics are real and not photo shopped.

On flirt ( www.flirt.com.ua ), in my opinion the best internet source hundreds of girls in Kiev between 18 and 25, usually with real photos, only one bad experience, tried several (and you can even fuck for free, just presents and restaurants… but of course in that case nothing is guaranteed).

Here a old “standard” answer message in English (just copied with all the mistakes):

Right now the prise is 80$ for 1 hour,70 for the next hour ,50 for every next hour 350 for a night(7 hours)
Classical and oral with condom, massage
No anal
If interested call me +38…

And one in Russian

Приветик!
Предлагаю неплохо провести вместе время.
Один час - 60$, следующие по 40.Ночь ( 7часов) - 250$.
Классический секс, оральный секс (все в презервативе, мы ведь бережем себя, не так ли?;))
Могу станцевать стриптиз, сделать приятный массажик.
Приглашу к себе в гости( живу в центре) или приеду к тебе (только по Киву)
Если хочешь встретиться, звони 8 066 ……, ты ни о чём не пожалеешь;)
ссылка на мои фото - http://www.....

If you go to the “dating section” of flirt, only in Kiev, just today, and select dating for sex (usually pros, but lots do not advertise in a such way to be there), under 30 y.o. you will find 114 ads!

If you seek normal girls, we say under 21 (but over 18) you will find several hundreds, and if you search at least you can find some getting to bed for free… as we (me and Irish Lad) did with miss U…

Here her pics at report 582 in photo section, no links otherwise she will be angry!

IT

It Travel
06-04-07, 10:49
Independent and not Independent site in Russian are also:


http://www.glamour-girls.com.ua/
http://www.intimkiev.com/
http://hot-kiev.com/
http://www.intimclub.com.ua/
http://www.putana.com.ua/

Other good meeting sites (reistration needed) are:

http://www.limpa.ru/
http://like.kiev.ua/

AColonizer
06-04-07, 19:54
Thank you IT TRAVEL very much :-)

What about those sites, I found a lot of sponsor girls and prostitutes but it seems the most of them work only with condom: oral sex without condom is a must!

But is it true or is it a way to cheap foreigners? Here in Venice, Ukrainian prostitutes are famous for fantastic oral sex without condom (and for their sweety attitude). Do you believe me? Italian wives don't love oral sex with their husbands!

AColonizer
06-04-07, 20:51
And I tried to send sms in Russian to a lot of prostitutes but it seems a lot of phone numbers are not working, that is the phone rings but nobody replies. What happens?

And I sometimes find the same phone number for three or four prostitutes. I am getting mad before to fuck any *****? !!

Bez Bezarra
06-05-07, 11:19
Italian wives don't love oral sex with their husbands!



Its an international problem.

Then again, do you really want her kissing your children with 'come-breath' after she's had your nasty spunk on her lips?

Doctor_Skank
06-05-07, 11:37
And I tried to send sms in Russian to a lot of prostitutes but it seems a lot of phone numbers are not working, that is the phone rings but nobody replies. What happens?

And I sometimes find the same phone number for three or four prostitutes. I am getting mad before to fuck any *****? !!

Pros very very rarely answer SMSs and only answer the phone if they have time and if it's "appropriate". Remember, their job may very well be a secret and you must also remember that they may not even be the one answering their phone. Don't eypect them to speak English either, especially on the phone. Some girls are embarassed to speak English in public.

If a few girls have the same number, it's an agency.

Nufc9
06-05-07, 13:40
Has anyone tried this site?

Some of the girls look amazing. Are they fake or real? :)

http://www.top-models.com.ua/?s=age

Member #1006
06-05-07, 14:58
Italian wives don't love oral sex with their husbands!

That's one of the worst stereotypes about italian wives... who IMHO, make the best BBJs I ever had... especially if they're not YOUR wife!

AColonizer
06-05-07, 17:10
In fact, if they are not your wife:.)

And a deep throat blowjob, is it usually in your experience in Italy?

And is a good blowjob with the blow, too? I mean, my work collegue said her girlfriend does blowjobs with the blow (to push air against the penis during the job). Pardon for the word play.


That's one of the worst stereotypes about italian wives... who IMHO, make the best BBJs I ever had... especially if they're not YOUR wife!

Brandon88
06-05-07, 17:45
What are the rates for the girls on kievintim? I can't seem to find any.

It Travel
06-06-07, 07:13
Thank you IT TRAVEL very much :-)

What about those sites, I found a lot of sponsor girls and prostitutes but it seems the most of them work only with condom: oral sex without condom is a must!

But is it true or is it a way to cheap foreigners? Here in Venice, Ukrainian prostitutes are famous for fantastic oral sex without condom (and for their sweety attitude). Do you believe me? Italian wives don't love oral sex with their husbands!

All of the sponsor girls I had did BBBJ. Some sponsored even swallow. In any case, for the sponsored ones, when you are at the point... just keep her head (as I did with Iriska firs time) and just make them happy with a DTCI (Deep Throat Cum Injection) :D

if you want real BBBJ with CIM or COF you can try MT (at River Palace) or Yulia at GIA, she gives a quite good BBBJ with full CIM.

The Stuntdick
06-07-07, 03:07
Yea,

Does anyone know about this web sight real girls or just fake sluts

http://www.top-models.com.ua/? S=age

Thanks so much happy hunting

The Stuntdick

Cruiser D
06-07-07, 10:52
Stunt, so far all the questions you have asked have already been answered in the forum. Use the search feature.

Bez Bezarra
06-07-07, 11:22
does anyone know about this web sight real girls or just fake sluts

www.top-models.com.ua



i tried calling every number last time i was in kiev.

its all bullshit. just a bunch of agency dispatchers.

when i asked for a dyevochka **** 20 years, they all said, "nyet! nyet! 25 years only!!"

Brandon88
06-07-07, 17:50
i tried calling every number last time i was in kiev.

its all bullshit. just a bunch of agency dispatchers.

when i asked for a dyevochka **** 20 years, they all said, "nyet! nyet! 25 years only!!"

i'm sorry to hear that. i had searched for listings where they noted that they spoke englich, picked out one or two to my liking, and planned to try it next time in town. that kills that idea.

Bez Bezarra
06-08-07, 12:39
I'm sorry to hear that.



Somewhere, there HAS TO BE some real, useful gazetta/websites/info that FSU businessmen visiting Kyyiv are using to get pussy, but I still haven't found what they are using. (I'm not talking about Gia or any agency that caters to non-russian speaking visitors/tourists.)

They are NOT using english language crap KievPost/What'sOn. Why would they, if they are native speakers. Maybe there really ISN'T ANYTHING in the gazettas, if its possible that EVERY business visitor brings their laptop or goes to internet cafe? Is that really the case? Nobody ever reads a newspaper? Only true in Kyyiv? (Definitely NOT true in other cities).

Uke Boy
06-10-07, 15:20
As an almost native speaker, I am sorry to say that there really is no useful "gazeta/website/info that FSU businessmen visiting Kyyiv are using". Nada. It really is a great big black hole of non-information. I am assuming you are looking for information and not the free rags such as we get in our mailboxes that we have also discussed in the past.

Believe me, I have also been looking and I am mostly here and have been for the last 15 years! I admit I don't spend all my time looking for such resources but even an occasional spurt of research energy in this area leads to nowhere.

The one website I do use is the local forum, fucker.kiev.ua, but that is all in Russian. It really is helpful and may well be the one most visiting locals and visiting "biznesmen" use. Reviews of pros and semi-pros with phone numbers and photos are really helpful.

However, there is nothing beyond this one possible resource.

Lovely Man
06-11-07, 17:41
Has anyone tried this site?

Some of the girls look amazing. Are they fake or real? :)

http://www.top-models.com.ua/?s=ageI think they are fake - I called this agency, being in Kiev few days ago. All their girls are over 23, and they make no secret of this fact, so this is just a promotional trick. In my Kiev tour I and used girl from Gia, 'cause they are good professionals and they do speak english ;) The girl who came to me, Oksana, was 18 years old, her body was great and she is much more better than her photo.

Cruiser D
06-11-07, 22:42
The only thing fake is you Lovely Man.

Top models is a collection of agencies and independants, some are real some are fake. But probably better then the over priced and over used girls at Gia.

Uke Boy
06-12-07, 03:13
Lovely Man or shall I say, more accurately, Gia,

I do not know why you even try to promote your agency this way. We all can smell your shit a kilometer away.

The Top Models site, as you well know since you are a local pimp, is an assemblage of independents and other competing agencies advertising on the web. The photos, like yours, Gia, are more or less real, where noted.

If you notice, most of the telephone numbers are different and you will get many different voices answering, unlike Gia and its pimp. So your comment about "calling the agency" is a huge lie that lets us know who you really are.

As for Oksana, my guess is that she is not 18 but at least 24. If she is better than the photo, then why does she not do anal?

Go away and leave us alone. And do not come back. Ever.

Maverick2007
06-13-07, 12:40
Lovely Man or shall I say, more accurately, Gia,

I do not know why you even try to promote your agency this way. We all can smell your shit a kilometer away.

The Top Models site, as you well know since you are a local pimp, is an assemblage of independents and other competing agencies advertising on the web. The photos, like yours, Gia, are more or less real, where noted.

If you notice, most of the telephone numbers are different and you will get many different voices answering, unlike Gia and its pimp. So your comment about "calling the agency" is a huge lie that lets us know who you really are.

As for Oksana, my guess is that she is not 18 but at least 24. If she is better than the photo, then why does she not do anal?

Go away and leave us alone. And do not come back. Ever.I won't agree with you, Uke Boy, Oksana is really 18 (she told me it herself). She's very tall and mature that's why I couldn't believe either that she is not 18, but with rich experience working as a call girl.

Johhneygood
06-13-07, 18:47
Hi,

I read one post about vodka escorts? Has anyone else tried them? Sounds expensive but the girls look pretty good.

How about top models? Is it hard to book the girls in the pictures? Will they come to your hotel?

Johhneygood
06-13-07, 20:56
Has anyone else used vodka escort. Sounds good, nice pictures. Very expensive. But is it real?

Cruiser D
06-13-07, 23:38
Geez, I wish the Gia cheerleaders would just go away.

Uke Boy
06-14-07, 02:16
Cruiser,

Did you notice that it was "Lovely Man" who posted those standard lies from his office at Gia but then it was "Maverick2007" who then responded. This idiot pimp from Gia ought to keep his identities straight. Next thing you know, he will reply with his third nick, "Chunky2007!"

Guys, it is best if you ignore posts by anyone whose first and/or only posts are in praise of the overpriced "most ordinary ladies of Kiev." Yes, they may speak English but you are not really paying for that particular talent.

If you are smart, you will stay away from Gia. They are NOT VFM.

Bez Bezarra
06-14-07, 03:21
Gia,

I dont know why we all can smell shit odor when Oksana does anal?



I heard it had something to do with corn or sharp peanuts....
No? Then maybe red peppers?

MarcoMan
06-19-07, 13:00
5 years ago I was considering Gia the perfect Agency: prices were just slightly higher than average market rates, girls where really good looking and service was great.

Today Gia is totally changed: prices of 150$ are almost double the average market rates and girls are usually much bigger than the photos (like Snejana or Oksana, who btw is a 23 yo Bulgarian). It has also become almost impossible to book the best looking girls: for some reason or another they are always busy, on vacation or having their period. Another bad point: the very few top girls never offer BBBJ (not to mention CIM). The ones offering these services usually look and feel like they have had ways too many sessions (and maybe drugs) in their lives (like Zhanna).

I was used to try a girl for one hour and, if satisfied, book her for a day or more. In recent months I have tried several girls but I have never felt the necessity of even a second round. They also have stopped giving discount for returning customers! (before it was 10/15%)

For these reasons I recently switched to Top Models and similar sites. You have to work a bit harder, spending more time in the selection process and trying several phone numbers. You will also never have the guarantee that the girl will be the one you ordered. Finally you will not know the details of the services provided, this of course unless you can speak a good Russian over the phone.
But here the upsides: prices range from 60$ to 100$, which is considerably cheaper than Gia. If the girl is the one you asked for (80% of the time in my experience) she will be a lot more similar to her website photos than with GIA. With 100$ you can get real stunners there and, apart from a few cases, all the services are usually negotiable for a little extra. And now my preferred part: all the girls I met gave me their private mobile and agreed to meet directly at almost half-rate, often offering to bring a friend.

My conclusions. GIA could still be ok if: money is not a variable for you; you want to be 100% sure about services/girl you will get (reducing an average 25% from the look of the website photos); you want a total hassle free booking/delivery process. IMHO is simply not worth it.

Qjump
07-05-07, 22:30
http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=303

I was planning a trip to see her next week but was not sure if she is worth it?

Thank you,

Q

Uke Boy
07-06-07, 05:02
Qjump,

She is a dandy, one of the local talents.

I have not enjoyed her company for about 18 months now (variety has something to be said for it) but she is definitely worth visiting, especially if you enjoy anal.

However, she is difficult to contact so good luck and let us know how she now is.

Qjump
07-06-07, 07:50
Uke boy,

I will try and sample her .......

She looks like she wont mind the odd picture as well

Q

It Travel
07-06-07, 08:58
5 years ago I was considering Gia the perfect Agency: prices were just slightly higher than average market rates, girls where really good looking and service was great.

Today Gia is totally changed: prices of 150$ are almost double the average market rates and girls are usually much bigger than the photos (like Snejana or Oksana, who btw is a 23 yo Bulgarian). It has also become almost impossible to book the best looking girls: for some reason or another they are always busy, on vacation or having their period. Another bad point: the very few top girls never offer BBBJ (not to mention CIM). The ones offering these services usually look and feel like they have had ways too many sessions (and maybe drugs) in their lives (like Zhanna).

I was used to try a girl for one hour and, if satisfied, book her for a day or more. In recent months I have tried several girls but I have never felt the necessity of even a second round. They also have stopped giving discount for returning customers! (before it was 10/15%)

For these reasons I recently switched to Top Models and similar sites. You have to work a bit harder, spending more time in the selection process and trying several phone numbers. You will also never have the guarantee that the girl will be the one you ordered. Finally you will not know the details of the services provided, this of course unless you can speak a good Russian over the phone.
But here the upsides: prices range from 60$ to 100$, which is considerably cheaper than Gia. If the girl is the one you asked for (80% of the time in my experience) she will be a lot more similar to her website photos than with GIA. With 100$ you can get real stunners there and, apart from a few cases, all the services are usually negotiable for a little extra. And now my preferred part: all the girls I met gave me their private mobile and agreed to meet directly at almost half-rate, often offering to bring a friend.

My conclusions. GIA could still be ok if: money is not a variable for you; you want to be 100% sure about services/girl you will get (reducing an average 25% from the look of the website photos); you want a total hassle free booking/delivery process. IMHO is simply not worth it.

Gia… I can agree

I feel the same to. The first time I was there in a private house Gia booked and rented me even the apartment.

They where taking me to the wrong house and then we changed, they were very cooperative in the mistake. They showed up with a nice teen blondinka, not more than 19, not on the catalogue… a new entry, nice and pretty, not a word of any foreign language, but she got nailed in any case…

As you say in the past it was cheap and very reliable, I always got the girl I asked for.. of course they where photoshopped a little bit.

To my experience the only three girls really worth the money are:

a) Irina, a nice 23 (If I remember right) blondinka playing also role games like nurse or latex. I rented her twice or thrice. Nice and well shaped body, a little bit soft but good no scars or stretches. She is not more at work.
b) Yulia, by far, in my opinion, the best you can get at Gia, she is much better in person than in pictures… And she allows everythink contracted, in my case kissing too, BBBJ with CIM or COF comes out very natural. Her tits are not bad at all, and a tit fuck with final COF is really nice. She is riding cowgirl very good.
c) Snejana (formerly Sveta) I think she is 180 and 70-75 kg, the tits are even bigger than in pics, and she dresses like a real *****. I took her once and it was impressive. You have to get her a little bit drunk, then the nynpho comes out. She nearly broke my back riding me as hell…

Once I took Irina and Yulia together. Not bad having nice Irina's tits in the mouth, a hand in the pussy and one on Yulias head while she was BBBJ… Irina was bisexual, unfortunately Yulia no…

By the way the girls are often unavailable because they are students or mothers from other cities so they often stay away some week to stay with the family or studying. In the future I’ll take only Yulia (for longer time) or Snejana for six or eight hours trying to get her really drunk and see if I can make decent pics, I already posted the pics of her clito. :D

The 12 hours price is 500 (depends on girl from 450 to 600, mostly 500) at Gia now for the normal price, but the internet price of girls goes from 250 to 400 for the same time.

There are still two good things at Gia. You get a whole day for 600 (just 100 more for 12 hours more)… perfect doing something like 13.00 to 13.00 so you have a lot of fucking and fun time, and sleeping too… The other one is that Gia girls are quite safe. No thefts and no problems. Specially with those I know like Yulia. It’s quite difficult getting a 24 h pro… so sometimes when you are in hurry it may be the only solution.

Unfortunately as you say not all girl do all they say and most of them do not do anal (a nearly must for me) at all. Zarina is one of the few doing anal so I took her once with Irina (making some lesbian and **** liking when I was relaxing), but she is not worth the money 50 $ extra for anal (once!!!), and a lot of stretches of giving birth to child… In any case I had a dual COF :D

One of my opinions on the price is that they are simply following the €… from 0.82 to 1.35 to the dollar… in fact once the 12 hour price was approx. 300 USD and it matches.

IT

PS I still reserve Yulia sometimes, mostly for her skills. Not a beauty, but really obedient. She never complies, even if you wake her up twice or thrice just for nailing her. And she knows that she would get good food and a tip if she wake me up correctly. It means a full BBBJ + CIM in the early morning, right system to start a day! Then , before breakfast (she already had :D) I usually take care of her 5 cm nipples for some time (it’s the best way to get hard again quckly!).

It Travel
07-06-07, 10:00
here on of the typical internt answers (for a 28 y.o. not so expencive)

it's not the [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) i'm often speakin of... deleteted the telephone...

Лолита 2 июня 2007 в 12:34
Приветики:)
65$ первый час,
последующие 45$ ночь 280$
Приглашу к себе (центр) или
с удовольствием приеду в гости..
(только по Киеву)
Не приемлю анал,
очень люблю минет
Могу предложить:
- Классический секс
- минет
- массаж
- стриптиз.
звони по тел 8 066 31 xx xxx

another older one:

Александра 22 февраля 2007 в 13:20
Привет сладкий!!!
Могу предложить тебе классический,анальный(+30$) и оральный секс(в презервативе),если захочешь то и куннилингус,эротический массаж и это все всего за 60$ за первый часик со мной, а 2 часика 100$
С радостью приеду к тебе(Киев) или приглашу в гости в центр
Фото 100% мои.
Жду,скучаю, звони 8 095 660 xx xx
Да и если ты будешь не сам, а с другом, то для него у меня есть замечательные подружки!


it seems that prices jumps up in the warm season, and go down in the cold one . i found the same in moscow where the cheapest and colder month is february.

by the way on flirt you will find approx 300-500 freelancers (but some really professional in the work) around the 300-350 usd class for a night. they change very qwicly. some have even the price and the telephone in the profile, so you do not even to write to them...

it

PassinThrough
07-10-07, 00:34
Hello,

I just finished reading all the postings in the Kiev Escorts section, some great information but as I read it the information boils down to this:

"Gia used to be good but now is over priced and the girls are not quality. There are no other good agencies that have accurate pictures of the girls and give good service at a reasonable price"

Is that an accurate summation? I am in the process of reading through all the posts on the Kiev forum, at least all the ones since January of 2006, long task. I have spent a lot of time in Europe and have been to Moscow (Night Flight was nice) but I have never been to Kiev. I plan on coming to Kiev in August for a few days, not sure how long yet. I would love to find a nice apartment, have a beautiful girl meet me at the airport and be my guide for a few days. If she is open to other possibilities, great. I want to explore the night life and the women that I have heard such great things about. One thing about Moscow that I didn't like was the taxi situation (everyone is a taxi driver). Is it possible to hire a driver for a night or for a few nights? How expensive is that?

Anyone feel like providing some advice? As I said I am reading through the Kiev forum and already learned about www.maw.ru which I checked out and sent some emails but I am open to any information you would be willing and gracious enough to provide.

Thanks

PIT

Cumming To Kiev
07-10-07, 11:24
Anyone got anything to say about this one?

http://www.uakisski.com/kristin2.html

I'm coming over 17-20th of this month and want to play!

Uke Boy
07-10-07, 12:37
PIT,

You pretty much summed up the situation here. The local guys posting on the board at fucker.kiev.ua would also agree.

There are a few gems but they are hard to find, work for a short time and then, sadly for us, just disappear...Do not even try to compare Kiev to Moscow. Kiev, by comparison, is just a provincial town.

Now as for the requests that you have, sorry, that you have to find all of that on your own. However, I also suggest you play the lottery since you might have a better chance of winning that than getting all your Kiev wishes fulfilled.

If you are here for a few days and you do not speak Russian, try River Palace. That is your best short-term bet.

Explorer69
07-10-07, 14:09
PIT,

I agree, if you don't know the city, you have not already set up some girls to meet, and you only stay for a few days: River Palace is the place!

It Travel
07-10-07, 14:12
But you can try Arena too or other dico club etc you see here on the forum. The best option in my idea (as everybody knows here I do not want to saty up to 4 am to get a blondinka in bed) is still internet

www.flirt.com.ua (dating site with the same database of all others...)

Go also to http://www.uakisski.com/indexwm.htm

Nice hunt...

IT

PS if he goest to RP, maybe he can join the club of MT fuckers....

PassinThrough
07-10-07, 18:12
Thanks for the help.

I probably will go to River Palace after all I have heard. But you have me on the "club of MT fuckers" Care to elaborate?

I will be doing some more research on the websites provided. When I get my dates fixed I will post. If anyone one wants to meet up for beers and some hunting it would be great. Thanks

PIT

James T Kirk
07-15-07, 12:33
How can I contact them? I tried to phone them but it is hard to arrange a meeting. Look at their prices: are they worth their prices? Or worst, are real online pictures?

http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=285

http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=671

Thank you.

Bez Bezarra
07-16-07, 10:23
All those numbers are bogus, or just agency numbers that will send you a bunch of used up old hags at high prices.

It Travel
07-16-07, 10:31
How can I contact them? I tried to phone them but it is hard to arrange a meeting. Look at their prices: are they worth their prices? Or worst, are real online pictures?

http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=285

http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=671

Thank you.


On flirt now you find directly such ads...

If they are in English they are usually a rip off...

IT se here:


Нахожусь в центре!
Часик классического и орального секса со мной стоит 75 долларов, за дополнительную плату возможен, миньет без презерватива, раба, анальный, , доплату обговорим по телефону или при встрече. Рост 175 вес 57 грудь 1
Мой телефон 8 050 863 XX XX

Приветики !
Гонорар составляет 80$ час 300$ночь
Классика, орал, массаж, куннилингус
анала нет
Есть квартирка в Центре, тебе подробности по телефону
не салон – на фото я. Рост 175 Вес 65 Бюст: 3
Тел. для связи 8 096 521 XX XX

Приветик, мой телефон 8 068 385 XX XX
Фото мои, не агенство!
в сексе приемлема классика, оральный, массаж, 60$ час, одна девушка на двоих мужчин, семейная пара, лесби - 100 у.е. Все в презервативе.
Есть подружка
1, 66 м - рост, возраст 26 лет, 6 размер груди.

жду вас у себя дома. Звони прямо сейчас

ШИКАРНЫЕ АППАРТАМЕНТЫ район Дарница
Приветик! Сладкая как малина, нежная как роза, горячая как огонь и прекрасная как твоя мечта! Фото мое! Увы но пустую переписку не веду. Только серьезные предложения из Киева! Спасибо за понимание)
Рост 156, вес 47, грудь 2ка
Телефончик 8 097 254 XX XX
Апартаменты в центре,
один часик классика оральный 80$, стоимость анального секса и других видов услуг при встрече.

Freexsky
07-16-07, 13:44
How can I contact them? I tried to phone them but it is hard to arrange a meeting. Look at their prices: are they worth their prices? Or worst, are real online pictures?

http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=285

http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=671

Thank you.On site TOP-Models at the left is checkbox « Real photo » use it.

If specifies that the photo real means indeed I know by the experience.

It Travel
07-16-07, 20:54
On site TOP-Models at the left is checkbox « Real photo » use it.

If specifies that the photo real means indeed I know by the experience.


Can I start… Laughing

The link seems only an advertised one to the famous Bagira massage…


Here you have something that might be real… not beauties, but surely real pigs…

Привет! 200$ встреча, на нашей территории, 2 часа с 2-мя девушками, т.е. с нами.... или 80 $ час с одной из нас...в сексе возможно: классика, орал, анал, лесби, фистинг, ануслинг, страпон между нами, массаж, также готовы выслушать и учесть по возможности какие-либо другие ваши пожелания....всё в презервативе... связаться можно по номерам... 8 096 225 XX XX Сюзанна ( брюнетка ), 8 099 291 XX XX Ника ( блондинка ) фотографии можно посмотреть сдесь..

http://fotocam.net/users.php?id=56944

Happy looking...

IT

Uke Boy
07-17-07, 03:29
Capn,

I think you are a fraud, you are not Kirk but a Tribble.

If you RTFF, this one and the Kiev forum, you will see that we have discussed top-models many times and how to evaluate the ladies there. It seems as though all your brains are located between your legs.

In addition, if you have eyes but cannot see, then no one is going to help you.

It would also be nice if you and your fellow newbies actually contributed something of value with your posts rather than troll for help.

If you have to, be like our pal IT Travel. While most of his posts make little or no sense most times, occasionally he will post something useful.

Catalonian
08-02-07, 22:17
Where in Kiev can I go to find nice girls for paid sex?

Can you recommend me a discotheque, night club or bar?

At which price starts a session of 30 minutes or 1 hour?

Thanks

Cruiser D
08-05-07, 13:14
Catalonian, try River Palace, Arena or Decadance.

I'm only answering you because I love Barcelona ;) Otherwise RTFF.

Doctor_Skank
08-06-07, 07:04
Where in Kiev can I go to find nice girls for paid sex?

Can you recommend me a discotheque, night club or bar?

At which price starts a session of 30 minutes or 1 hour?

Thanks

If you pick up a girl in a bar or night club, there is no minimum time limit. She's going to quote you a price, usually for 2-3 hours of "work". If you are done in 30 minutes and want to throw her out onto the street immediately afterwards... she won't mind. :)

CurrymasalaNYC
09-18-07, 00:41
Marina, Zarina, and Tania.

Has anyone try these girls from GIA?

It Travel
09-18-07, 07:53
Marina, Zarina, and Tania.

Has anyone try these girls from GIA?

I tried Zarina last year... just for having a girl going for anal.

Unfortunately she stays only over the day, and as written I'm interested in long time sex. She is not bad. In face even better than pics (nice freckles). But the body have some big marks due to pregnacy.

I got her together with Irina (not mor present, a nice round little pig, not a beauty but...) So I managed to get a duble COF :D Took her all the day, and Irina was remaing all the night. Not a bad solution.

Manage that the surcharge (stupid) for Anal is inteded by her for once!!!

Look here...

ZARINA (speaks good English):
1 hour $150, 2 hours $200, 3 hours $250, 4 hours $300, 6 hours $350,
8 hours $400, 10 hours $450, 12 hours $500 Price including: classic sex, BJ without condom, COB+CIM+NOF, kissing with tongue, 69, masturbation, massage.
Extra charges: Anal(50$), [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)(20$), Lesbi(20$), Strapon sex (20$).
Available: every day from 10A.M. till 11 P.M.

So make your choice... By the way, in my opinion Yulia and Yana (two differt styles), and even Snejana are far better... and they stay how long you want!

IT

It Travel
09-18-07, 13:14
Sorry I forgot... because the difference between 12 and 24 hours is just 100 USD so... why let her go!

When I get to Kiev I always take a Gia girl for a day, no hassles, no problems, no beauties, but often good CIM, COF etc...

I just arrive as all airplanes from Italy (with or not connection) between 15.00 and 16.00, get home, do my dealings with my house lord (who alredy stocked my fridge) go out buy something nice to eat, some driks, take a trip to Tsum (for a pallet of Cialis) and then get back... so I get a girl from 19.00 to 19.00... first some BBBJ (possibly with CIM), and then out to dinner, she already got aperitive! And then a night of sex and a full day eating and playing in the jacuzzi, so at 19.00 she leaves, and at 21.00 I'm ready for a nice resturant meeting... :D relaxed for a freebie... not too horny for keeping the control...

IT

Cruiser D
09-20-07, 16:03
What is it with these one off posters and there love of a particular escort?

Shill much?

Uke Boy
09-20-07, 16:19
Cruiser,

He used to have two posts about this useless and overpriced escort.

He now has one post showing.

Jackson decided to keep this one post since it was about escorts and delete the other but will ban him if he posts any more about this lady or any other lady that works for him.

Got the hint Deeplover and all you other shills for overpriced and overused esorts and agencies?

Bimbo Boy
09-20-07, 23:04
Hi guys! I've been in Ukraine a few years ago and have tried Vodka-esort agency. Nice escort, nice girls. All was fantastic. A little expencive, but I prfer to pay more than be treated like a s. T. Agreed?

I'm in Odessa in this moment and really enjoy spending my time with womderful local ladyes. Should notice that one of girls from Vodka-escort lives in Odessa and I spent last (full of pleasure.) night with her.

Her pics www.vera.escortwww.com

Looks like a hidden announcement to me ... If you are naïve enough to believe it, then you are headed for trouble!

This website is full of malware and spyware. Beware! My recommendation is avoid surfing on it with Microsoft Explorer. Better use Firefox with the Noscript plugin.

Kind regards. BB.

Cruiser D
09-21-07, 08:50
Uke, I think she would be of more interest if she used some of her money to buy some implants and lowered her rates to about $100/hr.

Hey, have you been in contact with Inga lately?

Mark D
10-08-07, 15:08
Hi all,

I have many business trip in kiev and I want to tell if you do not know rusian good the best site I can find for my rest is http://oasismodels.kiev.ua

Site is good working.

I used 2 girls Vlada and Lika together photo real 100%, girls is very very nice!

Cruiser D
10-09-07, 04:03
Now he is a schill and a spammer - ban.

Uke Boy
10-09-07, 07:58
Cruiser,

Why, oh why do these morons such as Mark D actually believe that such fraudulent postings may actually be believed.

This site is nothing but a poor man's rip-off of the top-models site and a few others. It is another assinine crap Ukraine site that is useless and worthless.

A warning to anyone who reads the forum. Do not use sites such as the one posted by Mark D. Most of the photos are fake or, if real, the ladies no longer work.

There is more than enough real information in this forum if you do a little digging.

Otherwise you are at serious risk of being the one screwed if you use the services of such posters as Mark D and the other lowlife shills who pop up from time to time in this forum.

Mark D
10-09-07, 08:35
Nice working site http://oasismodels.kiev.ua/

Vlada and Lika is nice girls, photo real.

Uke Boy
10-09-07, 21:28
Mark D,

In very simple language, you are nothing more than a Сутенер.

For the rest of you, he is a pimp.

Go away you useless bastard and do not come back.

Eros74
10-10-07, 00:03
Hello Cruiser D and Uke Boy,

guys, so besides that Mark D is a pimp, only 2 posts and only about his web site, I got it alone, but how are you sure the site is fake and that there are no girls?

Where is the scam?

I mean, it will be enough to call and to order one girl and then to see who will arrive, am I wrong? Maybe foto are not true but there is the chance will arrive good girls too or not?

How could you be so sure? Have you called some girls?

I think it can be useful for everybody here.

Maybe here I am the only one naive, but believe me, I will be happy to learn from you.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers.

Mark D
10-10-07, 00:31
Cruiser,

Why, oh why do these morons such as Mark D actually believe that such fraudulent postings may actually be believed.

This site is nothing but a poor man's rip-off of the top-models site and a few others. It is another assinine crap Ukraine site that is useless and worthless.

A warning to anyone who reads the forum. Do not use sites such as the one posted by Mark D. Most of the photos are fake or, if real, the ladies no longer work.

There is more than enough real information in this forum if you do a little digging.

Otherwise you are at serious risk of being the one screwed if you use the services of such posters as Mark D and the other lowlife shills who pop up from time to time in this forum.

I'm only told about site and only about girl I had! And tell you this 2 girls are real! Did you (cruiser the and uke boy) use this site and can tell me some fact?

When I posted first time I can't look the post at this forum and I was post it again. (I think technical reason). You can choose any girls you want and use any site such as

top-models.com.ua
glamour-girls.com.ua
intimkiev.com
intimgirls.kiev.ua
hot-kiev.com
intimclub.com.ua
putana.com.ua
kiev-x.com

1. Sites of independent girls

2. Some girls speak English very bad, other do not know English (I'm Frenchman do not know English good also and Russian know bad and understand girls very hard for me)

3. Some photos real, some photos real at 50% some no. Button "real photo" do not guarantee anything!

kiev-escort-models.com
kievbeauties.kiev.ua
kievcityescort.com
site with girls without face and crazy price, good luck guys.

Las time I used oasismodels.kiev.ua and this is site nice working, good usability. I have deal with two time I both time girls was nice and real.

You can told this site fraud but please do not tell Mark D is scammer!

Cruiser D
10-10-07, 02:29
You are right Luka, what are the chances this an internet scam in the Ukraine involving prostitution?

I mean he only has two post and both are about this website he seems to love. I hope you call them when you get to Kiev so you can tell us how wrong we are.

Street Sleuth
10-10-07, 18:48
Mark D,

Don't worry about it, CD just gets jealous when new posters show up with information about EE.

Thanks for the links. I've actually tried a couple of them previously, and the quality of the girls is generally as presented in the photos, with a couple rare exceptions.

Street Sleuth
10-10-07, 18:57
PS - If anyone goes the site route, it is definitely worth searching through many of them - I was with one girl - she had 4 cell phones. I asked why she needed 4....she said she was listed on 4 different sites. I mentioned I still didn't see the point of 4 different phones - she clarified that her pricing was different on each site - ranging from $60 to $100....

Eros74
10-10-07, 22:17
You are right Luka, what are the chances this an internet scam in the Ukraine involving prostitution?

I mean he only has two post and both are about this website he seems to love. I hope you call them when you get to Kiev so you can tell us how wrong we are.

Believe me I did not judge you or think you was wrong in something, I only was curious to understand as spot a fake site.

Cheers.

Uke Boy
10-10-07, 22:38
While there is also a response in the Travel Plans Thread, it is more accurate to place it here.

I make no apologies about my comments to Mark D's posts. Why? Very simple.

There have been many posts by actual shills for the agencies here who started off exactly as Mark D did. They were rightly attacked and they also defended their postings but they were shills and employees of those agencies. Do we need them here? No.

Also, Mark D's list of sites can fully be found in many posts in this forum. He gives us nothing new except a list that you may not have to search through more than a few posts to compile. In fact, I can add a few more but it would be senseless since it would be the same girls and the same fake photos.

For example pelotki.com.ua is not too bad but most if not all the ladies are listed in almost all the other sites.

When and if Mark D posts sites that are new or if he can get into details about the ladies he has met, then he has contributed nothing to this forum except doubt about his bona fides.

Luka: It is not that the sites are fake but the photos of the ladies are fake. If you cannot distinguish the fake from the possibly real then you will lose much money on the process.

Maverick1
10-11-07, 05:48
May go by Sasha or Tatayna, worked for Max, Erotic Massage?

Street Sleuth
10-11-07, 12:51
While there is also a response in the Travel Plans Thread, it is more accurate to place it here.

I make no apologies about my comments to Mark D's posts. Why? Very simple.

There have been many posts by actual shills for the agencies here who started off exactly as Mark D did. They were rightly attacked and they also defended their postings but they were shills and employees of those agencies. Do we need them here? No.

Also, Mark D's list of sites can fully be found in many posts in this forum. He gives us nothing new except a list that you may not have to search through more than a few posts to compile. In fact, I can add a few more but it would be senseless since it would be the same girls and the same fake photos.

For example pelotki.com.ua is not too bad but most if not all the ladies are listed in almost all the other sites.

When and if Mark D posts sites that are new or if he can get into details about the ladies he has met, then he has contributed nothing to this forum except doubt about his bona fides.

Luka: It is not that the sites are fake but the photos of the ladies are fake. If you cannot distinguish the fake from the possibly real then you will lose much money on the process.

Lukasek - I do understand the general concept, and I understand there has been some obvious advertising for other sites - it just doesn't seem Mark D is one of them, though he may have seemed as such.

As for the sites - yes, most can be found elsewhere in this forum...but most everything written has been written a dozen times before. There is nothing new under the sun.

As for fake photos - hit or miss. Generally, if you want to be certain you are getting the girl in the photo, go with the ones that hide their faces - they do so so that their friends/family won't recognize them. If their face is shown, and it seems too good to be true, then it often (but not always) is.

I just don't like the way any and every new poster is berated on these boards. Not everyone strives to be an expert on P4P in EE, but they often can still share useful anecdotes.

Uke Boy
10-11-07, 22:04
Street,

On other local Ukraine sites such as fucker.com.ua you cannot post such nonsense as Mark D did but rather you must post a full and complete review of your time with the lady or ladies. That means quite a list of requirements such as date, time, contact telephone, attach photo, quality of sex, quality of BJ, cost, does she do anal and many other variables.

And if you think Cruiser and I were rough on Mark, you should read what happens when someone posts the same sort of nonsense on the fucker.com.ua site. Now THAT is brutal.

I am not so certain it is possible to do the same thing on ISG but had Mark done something close to such details, it would have gone a long way to establish him as a genuine poster and not someone who works for an Kiev agency.

Unfortunately it is those agency bastards that have spoiled it for the those newbies who think that just posting a web site address is enough information. That alone is reason enough to criticize them. By itself it is simply useless information and makes no contribution to the forum.

Bez Bezarra
10-12-07, 04:36
May go by Sasha or Tatayna, worked for Max, Erotic Massage?

In the biblical sense.

I will vouch for her.

She got skillz.

Mark D
10-12-07, 08:37
Street,

On other local Ukraine sites such as fucker.com.ua you cannot post such nonsense as Mark D did but rather you must post a full and complete review of your time with the lady or ladies. That means quite a list of requirements such as date, time, contact telephone, attach photo, quality of sex, quality of BJ, cost, does she do anal and many other variables.

And if you think Cruiser and I were rough on Mark, you should read what happens when someone posts the same sort of nonsense on the fucker.com.ua site. Now THAT is brutal.

I am not so certain it is possible to do the same thing on ISG but had Mark done something close to such details, it would have gone a long way to establish him as a genuine poster and not someone who works for an Kiev agency.

Unfortunately it is those agency bastards that have spoiled it for the those newbies who think that just posting a web site address is enough information. That alone is reason enough to criticize them. By itself it is simply useless information and makes no contribution to the forum.If you can read fucker.com.ua site then you know russian if you now russian possible you are from kiev and you have own site and http://osismodels.kiev.us is your rival and now you want make bad reputation. Yes?

Couple of week ago I'm use 2 girls from this site two time. Firs time I had Vlada for $80+$20 for taxi for one hour, second time I had Vlada with her girlfriend Lika overnight and I paid for both $600. Both know english bad.

http://oasismodels.kiev.ua/escorts-girls-kiev.75.html
http://oasismodels.kiev.ua/escorts-girls-kiev.22.html

I have no other photo....

Both girls the same as a photo, excellent sex and blowjob. Girls do not do anal sex. Vlada do cool massage. Lika have little uneven face skin (few spot). Vlada without defect.

Uke Boy
10-12-07, 21:43
Mark,

The only one right now with a bad reputation is you.

I do not have any agency or web site, but suspicions continue to grow with your constant promotion of this one web site.

Perhaps you might contribute something else without naming this one site again and again?

Cruiser D
10-13-07, 01:25
I'd be willing to bet you the next meal at Friday's he can't. ;)

Evilz632
10-13-07, 05:20
Friday's in Kiev is pretty horrible.

Mark D
10-13-07, 09:25
I told about two girls and site where all can find this girls. Where is promotion?
Thats all no offence!

I'm in kiev now and very cold there, I'll post to the forum my next experience.

Cruiser D
10-13-07, 12:24
Friday's anywhere is pretty much horrible. But like anywhere in the world it is a good place to meet.

Yeah! - he's right Uke Boy, you can buy me lunch at Safe. :)

Evilz632
10-13-07, 22:54
Friday's anywhere is pretty much horrible. But like anywhere in the world it is a good place to meet. Yeah! - he's right Uke Boy, you can buy me lunch at Safe. :)The only reason for going to Friday's in Kiev is to advertise to the local talent you are a clueless foreigner desperate for attention.

If you must eat at a cheap restaurant at least try the pizza place El Patio next door, very good mid level pizza place and you won't look like such a clueless american.

With all the great restaurants in Kiev, why anyone would go to Friday's unless invited is quite mind boggling.

Try Dolce on Grushevskogo, the best Italian restaurant I have ever been to in Kiev, hands down, it's not cheap by any means, but it will show at least some level of class to any potential local you are trying to impress. If you have a Karta Mirovaya, you can also get slight discounts. You can also try Tequila House where you can also get discounts using the Karta Mir, usually around 10%, good pseudo california style mexican food, if you are in the mood. Or if you are feeling fancy try L'amour on Naberezhno-Kreschatitskaya Str, some of the best french cuisine I have had in Kiev.

As far as good steak houses go I personally wasn't impressed with Sam's steak house, the steaks were cooked in a mediocre way and the side orders were just average. But I have a very good alternative, My girlfriend and I used to frequent this place called Soho on Artema, the best high end steak house I have ever been to, the have a three story glass wine display case, the service is impeccable, the steaks, salads, sides, fish dishes are amazing. The prices might make some fall out of their chairs but it is worth it in my opinion, the girls love going here just be careful to have exact change, the waiters have on occasion kept the change, which was sometimes a little more than I would have given, but when you are dealing with 200-400 dollar meals, nitpicking 10 dollars seesm quite cheap. Soho doesn't work with Karta Mir or Karta Royal ( the two biggest chains ) but they have their own discount membership card that gives 10% discount, and an FYI, if you are a frequent visitor to any of the establishments, you are generally given another card good for 25% discounts and when dealing with 400 dollar meals, 25% isn't half bad.

My personal favorite franchise card is Karta Royal, I have a 20% discount card and so I tend to come to their establishments often. For anyone in the mood for a GREAT fish meal you have to try Da Vinci fish club on Vladimirskaya St. I am not even the biggest fish fan but the quality of seafood here is wonderful, everything is fresh, as in swimming in giant fish tanks all around you. This place is again NOT cheap, but it is amazing food and I think people that are on vacation tend to want amazing food.

One place I would stay away from is Mambo on Druzhby Narodov Blvd, alas it is also from Karta Royal, but their service was horrible the one time I went, the food wasn't that good, it was just ok and if you are in the mood for Latin food, there are better options. Maybe I went on a bad day, the place is nice, a big outdoor covered patio, beautiful hostess, your requisite oligarch with family and supermodel girlfriend in tow, sitting next to our table, but the food wasn't amazing and it took them 20 minutes just to bring my my check. I paid and left, not ever wanting to return.

But to each his own, I am just giving you guys some other options just in case the short time tourist isn't aware of all the wonderful restaurants in Kiev, I really hope they don't end up in some low rent bar full of other tourists and families.

Evil Z

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Evilz632
10-14-07, 10:37
Now since this is an escort thread, I will give my take on escort websites in Kiev.

There are three types of escort website:

The first are geared to foreigners and are usually only in english. The girls in these websites are generally extremely attractive, regularly checked for std's and also extremely expensive. Usually all prices are either in dollars or euros.
There are about 5-6 top of the line no scam websites :

The first being Dreamed Escorts,

Here is their website : http://www.dreamed-escort.com/escort-girls/

Now I have ordered from here in the past, since I have a pornstar fetish and in the past they offered the likes of Alexa May. Now let's not kid ourselves, these women are fucking beautiful. I would say some of the hottest escorts work for this website. I have a few reviews that I posted on a french review site that I will post here in the future. The main problem with them is that the prices are mad high, we are talking 250-300 EUROS an hour. But if you have the leather to pay expect full service here, we are talking CIM,COF,BBBJ,ANAL,DP, 3SOMES, basically anything you can think of, they do. One of the best reasons for trying this type of girl out is the low mileage, these aren't your average provider. They usually work or study full time and some already have a sponsor, they do this a couple times a week for shopping or school money. On a Ukrainian girl scale of beauty ( which is much more rigorous than a normal girl scale ) I would give the majority of these girls a solid 8.5-9 in looks and in general the same in service.

The next website is Vodka Escorts

Here is their website : http://www.vodkaescort.com/gallery.php

These women are almost just as beautiful though slightly more attainable, they charge on average 450 Euro for a half day, meaning 12 hours. I have had the pleasure of banging two of these girls, the first being Anna who no longer works, but who still haunts my dreams, wonderful you student girl/ supermodel from a dyrevna, she has probably gotten herself a wealthy sponsor by now. The next was Natali, oh man, this girl loved getting fucked, BBBJ, CIM, COF, everything except anal, and when I rubbed my cock on her pussy, she just juiced right up, told me that she really liked me and gave me her digits, I though I was gonna get married :eek:, ok not really but the experience was amazing. I would give these girls on average an 8 in looks and the same in service and the pictures are 100% real.

The last that I will review here is Kiev Beauties

And here is their website : http://kievbeauties.kiev.ua/en/gallery/

Now this website is kinda like a guilty pleasure, in the sense that you know the pictures aren't real, but it doesn't matter because what you get is usually 5 times better than the pictures, but yes, the pictures aren't real. I have had four girls from this website, none of the pictures were real, but who cared, the girls were more beautiful than I would have expected. I have had Tanya, not the same girl, but basically the same exact look. She was about 23 years old and a student in Kiev, spoke english rather well, gave some great cbj that started as a bbbj, her pussy was perfect, and the service was a total GFE. Total price was 200 US for 2 hours. I also had Svetlana, also not the girl in the pic, but who cares, she had the nicest body I have ever seen on a woman, she was an ex ballet dancer/model who usually works out of the premier palace hotel and is in the infamous " black book " and usually charges about 700 per hour out of the hotel. She does EVERYTHING but covered, cbj, and anal, She loved getting assfucked. It was amazing to see such a beautiful women getting ass fucked and enjoying it so much. Her body was flawless, a real dancers body, small breasts one of the nicest asses on a ukrainian I have ever seen pro or non pro, and very beautiful face. She was a little stuck up though, she kept talking about her multi millionaire ex husband who left her with an amartment in the center, a nice car but with no way to make money. I just wanted her to shut up so I kept fucking her, towards the end of the date she got really friendly, started some DFK on her own and asked me to take her to dinner some time. The woman was beautiful but the initial snottiness made me think twice, though I did take her out a few times after that, initially on the clock and then off, The total price of our first encounter was 500 US for 4 hours.

The next type of website is for the mixed clientele and the best example of this is Gia

Here is their website : http://www.gia.com.ua/

Now I have at one time or another fucked just about all of these girls, the pictures are 100% real, though recently I have seen the quality drop and the prices go up. I am sure most are familiar with the level of service they provide. BBBJ,CIM,COF, and the occasional girl will do anal though most don't, these girls are pretty good looking, in the past, the average was a 7, now I think the average was a 6. So the downside I now see with this website is the quality of girl is lower and they also have alot more mileage. They do get tested regularly, but they aren't as pristine as the higher level website girl. It can still be a good value, but not a value I personally find appealing anymore. The price of these websites is usually anywhere from 120-200 an hour.

The final website is the one marketed towards the local monger :

I will review two websites the first being Top Models

Their website is here : http://www.top-models.com.ua/

The website is hit and miss, the average price is between 60-120 US, and the few times I have felt that adventurous I have had pretty good times, except once when I showed up and a dreadlocked skinny crack whor* was on the menu, but I just left. But I have also had 18 year old girls with beautiful faces and bodies for 100 US, these websites though are only for those with at least a minimal command of the russian language, if you have a smaller budget and an adventurous spirit, I would give this website a try, it is somewhat more reliable than many of the other small time websites, and remember these are all agencies, so the pictures might be real but if the girl isn't available, they might just set up a date with another girl who might or might not be as beautiful as the one you chose,over all the average is hard because the quality of girls varies widely from the crack head whor* who is at best a 4 to the 18 year old college student that just started working and is possibly only doing it to pay for an upcomming vacation and is a total 9. Again a hit and miss, the problem I have with this type of website is the lack of any structure, you aren't dealing with one agency, you are dealing with 10 or 20, the girls most likely aren't tested regularly and they do have, on average, tons of mileage.

The second website is Kiev X,

And here is their website : http://www.kiev-x.com/girls/

Now this website is the total wild west for Kiev mongers, full of fake pictures, different agencies, differnt types of providers, quality, ages and so on. I am only posting this one here because I had my worst and second best experience with this website and although it isn't reliable, you can find a beautiful 18 year old with a killer body just looking for a sponsor for 100 US an hour. The average girl here is probably a 7 but you can definitely find a 9 or a 10.

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Over all, for those with big bank I would suggest Dreamed, Beauties or Vodka, the ratio is on your side, the prices are anywhere from 200 US an hour to 300 EU an hour, but the women are prime Ukraine pussy with low mileage and in most cases a good understanding of many languages and because of their high end clientele, they usually are very classy girls.

Those with not so much bank but who aren't adventurous enough to try a hit and miss can stick with websites like GIA, average price is from 120-180 an hour, not the best quality girls and medium to high mileage but at least you know what you are getting.

If your cash level isn't very high and or you are cheap as far as pussy goes and your command of the russian language is enough to deal with ukrainian agencies, then go for it, the girls aren't regulated, some are agencies, some are independent, little to no testing, no guarantee the pictures are real, spotty quality and service marks but the upside is you can find your diamond in the rough, and believe me fellas, that diamond can be better than some of those 300 Euro an hour high class providers any day. The problem with this is the average traveler that comes in for a 7-14 day stay doesn't have time for a hit and miss spotty experience.

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I hope this was somewhat helpful and I know there are hundreds of websites but these are the ones I have the most first hand experience with. I just left UA, after a 2 week business visit, and I am already crying my eyes out, no other place in the world compares to Eastern Europe as far as beautiful refined women goes, I will be back soon, but all I have to say is you fuckers living in UA are some lucky sons of b****es and I hope you appreciate it, because guys all over the world would love to be in your shoes, Ukraine is Heaven on Earth for most men. Our very own Shangri-La. And to those b*****ing about corruption, prices, this and that, give me a fucking break, prostitution COULDN'T exist without it. You take the good with the bad and just stop and think, that for every bad consequence to corruption in the world you have a beautiful 18 year old devushka you can pay 100 dollars to fuck, now try doing THAT in the US, you can't and even if you find one willing, it will cost you 1000 US, So stop b*****ing, roll with the punches and enjoy the ride ( of a beautiful young devushka that is ).

Evil Z

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Doctor_Skank
10-14-07, 15:11
The only reason for going to Friday's in Kiev is to advertise to the local talent you are a clueless foreigner desperate for attention.

Hey, that's me!
Friday's isn't a good date place, it's too light, there's too many othe foreigners there and the food is mediocre and unsexy.

But it is a great place to meet other mongers and talk shop without fear of being overheard when talking about blowjobs, anal sex and the ****tiness of Ukrainian girls. The wait staff hear this same conversation 20 times a day.

Most people end up going there by default... especially when meeting fellow mongers for the first time, it seems to be the only place everybody knows. Hell, they should provide maps to salons and free entrance tickets to River Palace there.

The Italian place next door is equally shitty if you ask me, but vaguely more romantic. So you are right, if it really must be Fridays for a date, go to Ill Patio.

Bez Bezarra
10-14-07, 15:34
What the hell's wrong if I want a fucking cheeseburger?

I prefer Friday's over McD's diarrhea burgers, if that's not too annoying for you?

Evilz632
10-14-07, 16:20
I agree and sorry if I am sounding overbearing, that's just me. You are right about the burger thing, I have often times ordered delivery from there, for a taste of something resembling a good burger, but I sure as hell don't go inside that place, too touristy. If anyone doesn't know, they deliver. And Skank and Bez, it is obvious you guys have your routines in order, I am basically speaking to the newbies. I would hate to see them come all the way to Ukraine and wind up in a mediocre tasting burger joint full of " clueless foreigners " like Fridays when there are so many better places to eat, meet and or be seen. But to each his own.

As far as Il Patio goes, it isn't THAT bad, I especially enjoyed their desserts, plus the window seats are much better for girl watching. But if you want really good pizza, I am sure you guys are familiar with Uno in Podol (Podil) it is right across the street from the Argentine steak house. Uno is extremely good. I don't know if you guys have found better but for me, it is some of the best pizza I have had in UA. I guess all I am encouraging is some creativity.

Regards,

Evil Z

Cruiser D
10-14-07, 17:25
Evil, you packed quite a bit of information in those postings, some of it quite useful. But I have to wonder what alternate reality universe Kiev you go to where everything is coming up roses.

Kiev escort agencies have always been YMMV with bait and switch the norm rather then the exception. And unlike Monopoly, Banker Error is generally never in your favor. For the upscale agencies you mention the first one has to start using the same photographer that Vodka Escort uses - their photos are just horrible. For price comparison check Eros.com and go to the NYC board, you want to pay 300e/hr for a knock out in Kiev? Why not just go to NYC and pay $300/hr for a knock out? These girls are being sent on sex tours all over Europe and you think they are low mileage? Umm, ok. You want to score with a model quality girl I suggest going to Decadance, Arena or RP. The top tier girls there are much better looking then 90% of the girls featured on any of the websites you linked.

I have been to all the restaurants you mentioned except for Mamba. I never though much of DaVinci, Sam's is indeed over rated. SoHo is a nice place for Kiev but I have eaten often in real NYC steak houses the only thing they get right 100% is the prices. :) The only place I have really ever gotten exceptional service along with an exceptional bill is Pena. I have been coming to Kiev for the last four years and the restaurant scene has improved dramatically but Kiev is not even on the level of a third tier US City yet. Don’t take this to sound that Kiev is such a horrible place but it’s not even close to the Shangri La that you describe. There are a number of places, on both sides of the river I love to go to eat in Kiev and every time I go to Kiev I find a new gem or two.

It's funny how you mention Fridays is for clueless American's which it is but right next door is the restaurant for clueless Europeans - The Patio. It's nice how they have taken care of the problem in one building. :)

Dr S, they need to build a real Fridays in Kiev with the typical giant bar. Is the one in Moscow as tiny as the one in Kiev? The Fridays in Marbella is like they shipped one over from American suburbia. But considering the absolutely mindblowing places to eat in that area it would be a sin against the food god to actually eat there.

Bez - no cheeseburgers!

Evilz632
10-14-07, 17:59
Cruiser, I wonder at your animosity. If you want to write a review on clubs and bars, please be my guest, I wasn't doing that. I was writing a review of ESCORT WEBSITES, so your comments regarding clubs girls is irrelevant with regards to my website review post, though you can post all you want about clubs. I usually never pay for club girls, they go for free.

Again, your bait and switch and YMMV, is exactly what I was talking about and distinguishing between. I clearly stated the website that do and don't have bait and switches. If you have any first hand information about the websites I posted please write about it, criticizing my posts isn't really adding anything to the board. I personally find the girls from Dreamed and Vodka very good looking, if you disagree, that is up to you.

As far as as New York is concerned, why are we talking about girls in New York ? We are on a Ukraine thread and therefore I am reviewing escort websites in Ukraine, do you find a problem with this ?

As far as the best restaurants in Kiev not being half as good as third tier US city yet, who are you kidding? But again that is your opinion, mine is obviously different. I have traveled to many different US cities and can easily say alot of the food in top tier Kiev Restaurants is comparable to most US restaurants, sometimes better and sometimes worse, but on average comparable, food ingredients are the same, if not better quality, all imported from the same distributors, chefs contracted from the same schools, wait staff just as good and even better looking, ambiance just as nice and in many cases more extravagant so on and so forth, so I don't really understand your personal gripe against me or my posts, but you might want to just drop it unless you wish to start outright flaming me next.

And eat your burgers where you want, I just find it funny you guys fly all the way around the world and end up in the cheapest, funkiest restaurant in Kiev, and then tell me Dolce and Soho are no good. Our tastes in women and food obviously differ, so I will take this opportunity to ask you to simply put me and my posts on your ignore list, then you can continue to eat cheesburgers and pick up tricks at RP.

Just remember you aren't the only one who reads this forum and out of respect for them, just drop it. I am not posting for the pseudo know it all american fly in vacationers. I am posting for those that don't " know it all ". BTW, I am Ukrainian and live here and never once have I said it is disneyland, or coming up roses. I just call it like I see it and I am still young enough and worldy enough not to have a jaded biased view of the world.

Regards,

Evil Z

Bez Bezarra
10-14-07, 18:02
Evil Bez - no cheeseburgers!



Hey, after several weeks in the provinces eating chicken and shaslik, I NEED one real fucking hamburger, ok? :)

Remember, I stay around Kiev long enough to catch the first train out, and that's it. On the way back, its just long enough to go down to the chotsky tables and buy my new KGB patches for my next uniform, and then get my flight outa there. :p

I leave the rest to you all, paka! ;)

Evilz632
10-14-07, 18:30
Dr S, they need to build a real Fridays in Kiev with the typical giant bar. Is the one in Moscow as tiny as the one in Kiev? The Fridays in Marbella is like they shipped one over from American suburbia. But considering the absolutely mindblowing places to eat in that area it would be a sin against the food god to actually eat there.

Bez - no cheeseburgers!We don't need another Friday's we need a Hard Rock Cafe, now that is a solid place to go eat. I spend a good part of my time traveling and in the past I always made my way to Fridays for a burger, until I realized the place is crap in any language, and then I discovered Hard Rock, the same American chain restaurant theme, only the food actually tastes good most of the time. So my vote would be for a Hard Rock, and if we are talking about burgers, lets be real Fudruckers, Fat Burger, or InNOut, hands down. But that will never happen.

Regards,

Evil Z

Cumming To Kiev
10-14-07, 20:34
Evil, firstly a big thank you for your review of websites. I am one of the many who don't "know it all" and any help anyone can give all of us "don't-know-it-all's" to find our way round the confusing Kiev scene is much much appreciated. This forum can be quite an intimidating place for newbies and near-newbies and even though I have RTFF extensively I’m still a bit at sea in Kiev!

I am about to come to Kiev again next week (Thursday 18th) for a week and will be looking to find some pussy to fuck while I’m there. I was there earlier in the year and had some experiences there, ranging from the good to the not so good. Obviously advice and information like you give will hopefully help me have more of the good experiences and less of the not so good ones!

Last time I was over I met up with a girl and had a one of my better experiences with her. Having had a look at the websites you reviewed and helpfully gave us the links to, I now realise she is one of the Vodka Escort girls! However I booked with her direct and got a much better deal (obviously!). Whereas Vodka want the equivalent of $800 for a day of her time, she happily quoted me $400! Half the amount for the same girl for the same time! Now that is much more like it!

The thing is does anyone else have the direct contact details of girls they have met and would recommend who are available at a much cheaper rate if you cut out the middle man? Perhaps we could swap details and you could enjoy the half-price pleasures of my girl while I enjoy the reduced-rate pleasures of yours? Is anyone interested in something like that? If we can help each other out we can get twice as much bang for our buck!

I’m not going to put the number up here for all to see because it is not fair on the girl to publish her number publicly for ever more, but I’m all for a bit of discreet information swapping!

Sean EZ
10-14-07, 22:09
Escort websites in Kiev: An Overview

It is actually hard to find answers on this board regarding specific escorts, so thank you for putting all this information together in one consise report. Most questions about other escorts (other than Gia) such as whether the girls are real, etc seem to go unanswered.

Cruiser D
10-14-07, 22:10
Evilz, that is the whole point and why I have replied to you. I just wonder exactly which Kiev you are going to, I know it isn't quite like the same one I go to. You flat out stated Kiev is Shangri La and it isn't, not even close. The p4p market started heading south about 2.5 years ago. The club and restaurant scene is on the lower spectrum of 'ok' but improving every year - service on any level is poor and to an American, atrocious. If you think cycling through 10 or so escorts makes a place Shangri La then you need to get out more often.

You won’t be replacing Uke Boy as the resident Kiev embed and go to guy anytime soon.

Sean, I don't ever recall anyone asking if this escort or that escort is for real. But the reason why it would go unanswered (or has been answered) is that Ukrainian escort agencies do not have a problem at all sending Tanya instead of Anya. They have no problem at all calling you and telling you they are sending a 182cm 55kg 18 year old blondinka and when you open the door it's a 29 year old 150cm 68kg dark haired girl. Several people have pointed that out and it is very very very true. People I know and trust who have used all the agencies that Evilz mentioned except for Dreamed and Vodka have reported this happening to them. No one I actually know has used Dreamed or Vodka so I couldn't tell you one way or the other. But the Ukraine is not known for it's ethical business practices and pimps in particular tend to have no morals or ethics - so you can add it all up for yourself. From what I see everyone who is experienced in the Kiev escort scene always answered the noob questions the same with a big YMMV.



Just remember you aren't the only one who reads this forum and out of respect for them, just drop it. I am not posting for the pseudo know it all american fly in vacationers. I am posting for those that don't " know it all ". BTW, I am Ukrainian and live here and never once have I said it is disneyland, or coming up roses. I just call it like I see it and I am still young enough and worldy enough not to have a jaded biased view of the world.

Doctor_Skank
10-15-07, 00:22
Dr S, they need to build a real Fridays in Kiev with the typical giant bar. Is the one in Moscow as tiny as the one in Kiev?
The Fridays in Moscow (the Pushkin Square one) is basically the same in terms of food quality, but unlike the one in Kiev, the Moscow one does attract quite a few locals... especially those locals somehow involved with Western companies i.e. speaking English... which isn't a bad thing. The Moscow Friday's is larger, DARKER and actually attracts a decent crowd on weekends between 22-2400... a pre-club joint.

There are of course 1 hundred places better in Moscow, but that's not the point. When I want and need a hamburger, nachos or a decent margarita... I gotta go somewhere... and in Moscow, just as in Kiev, the list is short.

Besides, it's really easy to get girls drunk really fast in Friday's. Hard Rock is better in terms of food, drink and atmosphere, but much farther from my apartment. I'm no genius, but even I can do the math.

Explorer69
10-15-07, 01:24
Now since this is an escort thread, I will give my take on escort websites in Kiev.

The next website is Vodka Escorts

Here is their website : http://www.vodkaescort.com/gallery.php

These women are almost just as beautiful though slightly more attainable, they charge on average 450 Euro for a half day, meaning 12 hours.

The next was Natali, oh man, this girl loved getting fucked, BBBJ, CIM, COF, everything except anal, and when I rubbed my cock on her pussy, she just juiced right up, told me that she really liked me and gave me her digits, I though I was gonna get married :eek:, ok not really but the experience was amazing. I would give these girls on average an 8 in looks and the same in service and the pictures are 100% real.I will just say "amen" about Natali. I have spent several days with her last summer, but then she operated as an independent (she still does in addition to Vodka escorts!). She fucks like a dream, gets very horny, multiorgasmic, and screams, she wants to finish with CIM.

Evilz632
10-15-07, 02:45
Again with the blatant animosity, didn't I ask you to simply put me on ignore? I can tell when someone is just trying to start conflict. I am not. I am simply reviewing websites I have used.

TO ME Kiev is my Shangri-La, I am not simply talking about mongering, to be honest, mongering in Kiev has been a recent hobby, something I reserved for OTHER countries I traveled in, I am a local and so the need for paid for pussy is minimal. That is why I don't pay at clubs, the women usually can be had for free.

It is a shangri-la for me because, The women are so abundant and so beautiful and I have traveled all around the world and have never found something quite like it. I have great women, great food, great city life, great country etc. What more could I ask for? And I don't cycle through any escorts, I get out every day, I travel much more often than you, I know Ukraine inside and out, much more in depth than you ever could.

Let me ask you a few baseline questions, do you speak Ukrainian or Russian fluently? How much of your family resides throughout Ukraine? How many years did you study in Ukraine? How many cities and villages have to lived in or visited? When was the last time you voted in a Ukrainian election? How many years of your life have you lived here? How many generations of your ancestry is Ukrainian? You are the average " know it all " arrogant american tourist who neither understands Ukraine or has ties to it. So forgive me if your personal opinion is worthless to me.

For someone who seems to hate Ukraine so much I wonder why you even continue coming, if the food is horrible, the P4P scene went down hill years ago, the locals are racists scum, jews are mistreated, service is atrocious, do you have any other reasons for NOT coming to Ukraine? LOL

Obviously as I said, we are in different age brackets, different cultural backgrounds, probably different financial backgrounds and as such we will never agree on anything, I am also an optimist while it is obvious that you are a pessimist, so I will always look ans emphasize the positive while you will always do the opposite, these are all reasons why you should just drop it, your view is 180 from my own, It is not going to change, make use of the ignore function cruise, it will save you alot of heart ache and it will keep me from having to answer redundant rhetorical posts.

YES, Obviously we see and experience two different Ukraines, that is obvious, I don't need or want to replace any resident anything, I am just giving my views on a city I was born in, grew up in and lived in. Deal with it cruise, write some good reviews man and leave me alone, you are literally a couple posts away from flaming me outright.

I disagree with just about all of your points, as do you, leave it at that, lets agree to disagree and lets agree not to fill up Jacksons board with personal ego trips and back handed remarks.

Regards,

Evil Z


Evilz, that is the whole point and why I have replied to you. I just wonder exactly which Kiev you are going to, I know it isn't quite like the same one I go to. You flat out stated Kiev is Shangri La and it isn't, not even close. The p4p market started heading south about 2. 5 years ago. The club and restaurant scene is on the lower spectrum of 'ok' but improving every year. Service on any level is poor and to an American, atrocious. If you think cycling through 10 or so escorts makes a place Shangri La then you need to get out more often.

You won’t be replacing Uke Boy as the resident Kiev embed and go to guy anytime soon.EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Evilz632
10-15-07, 02:49
It is actually hard to find answers on this board regarding specific escorts, so thank you for putting all this information together in one consise report. Most questions about other escorts (other than Gia) such as whether the girls are real, etc seem to go unanswered.Hi Sean, sorry if you found that part of my post ambiguous so I will point out my use of the term 100% real photos on different occasions on the previous post. But to clarify:

I have used Dreamed Escorts MANY times, For the reasons that I stated, the used to have Alexa May, Eva Black and a few other lesser known Ukrainian pornstars, The pictures were 100% REAL in ever instance. I have total confidence you will get the girl you pay for and that is part of the upcharge, but the girls I have been with have been solid 8.5-9 on Ukrainian girl scale.

Vodka Escorts is also 100% REAL pictures, I have ordered a few girls from that website and have partially reviewed them here as well, the pictures are guaranteed 100% REAL. The girls have all be solid 8's in my book.

Kiev Beauties is NOT REAL pictures, as I state very clearly. The girls that arrive are generally much better looking than you would recieve from Gia , but you never know exactly what your gonna get. I would say on average the girls are solid 7.5-8.5, depending.

Gia also 100% REAL just not as good looking as in the higher end websites I have utilized. I would say on Average, the girls will be a 6.5-7.

Top Model and Kiev X are the worst, they are all hit and miss, I have ordered from them in the past and if the girl you ordered becomes busy, then they will send you what they have and it can sometimes be scary, but you can also get the girls in the pictures or better. Alot of the pictures are real, what depends is availability. Many times have I arrived and I was told by a beautiful Ukrainian girl who was 18-19 years old who WASN'T the girl in the picture " what ?, am I not more beautiful than the girl in the picture ? ". My answer has generally been " YES, yes you are :) ". But I have also had the local crackhead w****e show up, in those cases I either close the door or leave. The ratio is hard, you can find the total 4 or the total 10, it is hit and miss and the luck of the draw, but note, alot of the pictures are real, whether you get the girls asked for is another story.

OK Sean I hope this cleared up some of the ambiguity of my post and I hope you reread the post because to be perfectly honest, most of this information is repeated. But here goes :

DREAMED ESCORTS :100% REAL AND AN AVERAGE 8.5-9

VODKA ESCORTS : 100% REAL AND AN AVERAGE 8-8.5

KIEV BEAUTIES : NOT REAL AND AN AVERAGE 7.5-9

GIA ESCORTS : 100 % REAL AND AN AVERAGE 6.5-7

TOP MODELS : 50% REAL ( HIT AND MISS ) AND AN AVERAGE 4-9

KIEV X : 50% REAL ( BAIT AND SWITCH ) AND AN AVERAGE 4-9

Hope that helps

Regards,

Evil Z

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Evilz632
10-15-07, 03:17
To clarify some information on these two particular sites, I will simply state, these girls from the top two escort agencies I reviewed aren't average escorts, you usually order them and reserve them online and in advance, if you actually do some due diligence, you will note that Vodka Escorts actually has an online calendar for each and every girl, so you will know what days they are or aren't booked, On average these girls usually don't do more than 1 date a day at max, so as long as you book in advance, you should not have a problem.

Now with anyone familiar with the European mongering scene I am sure you are aware of the French language review website leguiderose.net, it has since been taken down, that is where I first learned about Dreamed and Vodka since most wealthy Europeans share the same porn star fetish I have. If money isn't an issue and you think the girls in those websites are attractive, definitely give them a try. To each his own, but IMHO these are the top, most reliable escort WEBSITES in Ukraine.

I have found, in general, there are two types of mongers, those that enjoy going out and " hunting " their girls, in which case, clubs, bars and the like are your best bet, and those that like to arrive at a hotel and have a beautiful girl downstairs waiting to come up and service you.

Some of this has to do with personality and some of it has to do with time contraints and some of it has to do with people being pessimistic because they were burned before by different agencies.

Me, personally, when I go out in Ukraine, I go out with friends and I do not monger, though I can pick up a non pro at a local hang out spot. And since I am a local, I prefer not to be seen in w****e houses like RP, but that is just me. So when I do get the urge, I simply call a reliable high end agency and simply wait for a young good looking well dressed sober lady to arrive at one of my flats, I have my fun, possibly invite her to dinner afterwards and that is it. It is the difference between being discrete and a rube. For those that don't actually live here and just come in for a week or two, they really have no concerns about this, for those with traditional family and well established businesses, it can sometimes appear to be unbecoming.

While in other countries, I can sometimes prefer to go out and " hunt " at clubs, I generally disdain the atmosphere, I hate the smoke, loud music and sloppy drunks, but it can sometimes be worth it for the opportunity to pick up a beautiful piece of ass that I hand picked on the spot and wooed with my " amazing " negociationing skill ;). righhhhhtttt.

So it really depends, the downside I have found at foreign clubs is you end up wasting alot of excess time and money, plus your nice dry cleaned clothes come out smelling like shit. But that is just me.

To each his own.

Regards,

Evil Z

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Evilz632
10-15-07, 03:31
I will just say "amen" about Natali. I have spent several days with her last summer, but then she operated as an independent (she still does in addition to Vodka escorts!). She fucks like a dream, gets very horny, multiorgasmic, and screams, she wants to finish with CIM.Yeah, when in Kiev, she can also work with Kiev Beauties. She has an amazing ass and just loves showing it off. I really enjoyed the CIM, but the funny thing is, I think she enjoyed it more though she didn't swallow all of it, she pretended to but then went to the bathroom, sneaky minx.

Her perfect level of english is also a big plus for most. We started talking in Russian until I figured out she spoke perfect english, I actually think she prefers english. I am glad you had a great time with her as well.

Regards,

Evil Z

Evilz632
10-15-07, 04:08
Last time I was over I met up with a girl and had a one of my better experiences with her. Having had a look at the websites you reviewed and helpfully gave us the links to, I now realise she is one of the Vodka Escort girls! However I booked with her direct and got a much better deal (obviously!). Whereas Vodka want the equivalent of $800 for a day of her time, she happily quoted me $400! Half the amount for the same girl for the same time! Now that is much more like it!

The thing is does anyone else have the direct contact details of girls they have met and would recommend who are available at a much cheaper rate if you cut out the middle man? Perhaps we could swap details and you could enjoy the half-price pleasures of my girl while I enjoy the reduced-rate pleasures of yours? Is anyone interested in something like that? If we can help each other out we can get twice as much bang for our buck!

I’m not going to put the number up here for all to see because it is not fair on the girl to publish her number publicly for ever more, but I’m all for a bit of discreet information swapping!You hit the nail on the head a far as websites and agencies in general are concerned. The reason they charge twice as much is because they split the profits either 50/50 or 60/40 with the girls. What I have always done in the past is simply, order the girl for a quick 2-4 hour date and if we hit it off I would then get her personal digits, that mostly all are too willing to give out and set up an all day date for half the price or less. The truth is, with many of the younger, less jaded girls, just taking them out to dinner and a movie and possibly buying them something nice at Globus can easily get you a weekend of great sex with a real GFE.

I would be very willing to exchange info, send me a PM, I am curently away on business, I left a few days ago, but I will be back in Kiev before the snows start to fall.

Regards,

Evil Z

Cruiser D
10-15-07, 14:28
Evilz, I can't resist so I'll open this post up with a joke;

"Look at my new tie," says a New Russian to his colleague. "I bought it for 500 dollars in the store over there." "You got yourself conned," says the other. "You could have paid twice as much for the same one just across the street!"

In one post you mentioned that being a local you almost never have to use p4p. Then you go on in the next two post to say how you heavily use Dreamed and Vodka and provide quite a few details I'm sure a lot of the members of this forum will find very useful.

You are the one who seems interested in degrading this into something personal. Let me clear something’s up. I never said the food in Kiev is horrible. What I said was the restaurant scene is very under developed but getting better every year. Service, even in high end places is still extremely poor. Since Eurovision the p4p has been degrading - too many hard core pro's looking for the same money their sisters get in NYC, Paris, Rome, and London. To be honest it's no longer worthwhile for a guy looking strictly for p4p to come to Kiev anymore - unless he is very experienced. I never said the locals are racist scum but like the rest of the FSU the population tends to be very xenophobic. As far as the whole Jewish issue goes I'm sure that is a can of worms you really don't want to open if you take a second to actually think about it.

As far as our personal background goes - I'm 30 something, you are 20 something. You are living on your Daddy's money while my fortune is self made. I spent my 20's in Europe in the company of some super rich people thanks to the girl I was dating at the time. It sounds like something you've done in your teens to current although it sounds like you hung with the moderately well off crowd. As far as being better traveled then I, maybe, if you just consider Europe as the world, even then I highly doubt it.


I have more understanding about world history and the soci-economic condition then you will ever have - unless the light goes on in your head someday. I'm not a pessimist or an optimist - simply a realist. Your previous posts in other sections of this forum show you have a highly idealized view of the FSU and Ukrainian history that just doesn't quite jive with reality.

Why do I keep coming back to Kiev? Oksana, Natalia, Natasha, Anya, Tanya, Alena - it's too bad I can't marry them all. :)

Evilz632
10-15-07, 15:42
Wow, I knew it, it was bound to come eventually, thank you for illustrating all my previous assertions, you are the classic american " know it all " middle class arrogant ass.

I mentioned many things, if you are unable to chronologically follow a thought or a series of well illustrated events, that seems like a personal problem on your part. Not mine.

As far as personal backgrounds, you have no idea how old I am or what I do to make a living and pretending to know and making wild assumptions only further illustrated your own ignorance and insecurities. I personally don't care much about your background, though I can ascertain from your tone and overall ignorance, you are not the type of person I would have anything in common with.

As far as where I have traveled, I never told you where I have traveled so again you show your own ignorance by making stupid assumptions based on pure animosity.

As far as historical understanding of ANYTHING, I am quite sure you are just as ignorant in that field as you have shown to be in oh so many other fields. But I already said that, you are basically a foreigner who doesn't know or understand shit about Ukraine, though you seem to have many preconceived notions and prejudices ( I wonder what country you come from? ) about the FSU as a whole.

I don't have any ideals about what the FSU was is or will be, I have lived here all my life, I have seen the good and bad from a first person perspective, you are a short term tourist who comes for hooke*s, give me a friggen break, so save the sermons, save your ignorant opinions ans spare me the bs, You have no information I would find useful or even worthwhile.

Make good use of the ignore function, go eat your cheeseburgers and continue to pick up your RP tricks and try not to feign any level of cultured upbringing, you are a rube, plain and simple. And BTW, we have different opinions, how hard is it for you to comprehend that the world is full of people who think and assimilate things differently than you?

Regards,

Evil Z

Tremayne
10-15-07, 17:39
Whatever the great CRUISER D is or isn't, one thing is for sure, there aint no RP tricks in this mans life!

Cumming To Kiev
10-15-07, 23:12
Hi Evil

OK, I'll PM you. Or rather I will tomorrow when my subscription goes through! Apparently you have to be a paid up subscriber to PM each other so I've had to sign up! Are you a subscriber? Do you need to be one to receive PMs too? Anyway, look out for my PM at some point tomorrow. Apparently it can take 24 hours for the subscription to go through so I'll just have to be patient! I'm in Kiev on Thursday night so I'm feeling rather impatient!

Cheers

J

Evilz632
10-16-07, 20:43
I was checking out the escort websites today and came across an interesting offer on Vodka Escorts. They have a " medically verified 22 year old Ukrainian virgin ". Now I have NO idea if this is on the level, but the girl looks kinda virginish, the starting bid on the virgin auction is 3000 Euros.

Obviously this isn't for the average monger, but it reminded me of those old Japanese mongers on " Memoirs of a Geisha ". So to anyone interested in that sort of thing, check it out. I personally like my providers a little broken in.

Here is the link :

http://www.vodkaescort.com/gallery.php?ank_num=32

Regards,

Evil Z

Cumming To Kiev
10-16-07, 22:01
OK Evil, I've PM'ed you!

Street Sleuth
10-17-07, 09:51
Evilz,

Felt I had to intervene between you and CD.

You mentioned you are an optimist, and CD is a pessimist....I try to be a realist :).

For some reason, CD likes to argue. I've had this issue with him often enough - and I'm a full-fledged American who likes to think he knows it all, and loves to gripe about Ukraine....so don't be frustrated :).

Specifically in response to some issues you brought up:

Websites: I liked your rundown. I only have significant experience with Top-Models. I agree on 2 notions - first, it is hit or miss. Most photos I find are real, some aren't. Usually, if the face is hidden, the photo is real. If its too good to be true ($60 for a 10), then its probably fake. Second, you need to speak a decent level of Russian - few girls speak English, and navigating a meeting over the phone isn't for the Russian beginner.

As for the upper end websites - these are good for the short-term, non-Russian businessman coming to Ukraine, who doesn't have time to scout.

Of note: In the event a girl shows up that isn't to your liking - it is accepted to send them away, without payment (though it can naturally be difficult to do, depending on your personality). Easiest to make up an excuse, and give them cabfare. No great loss is my point.

Restaurants: I take a middle stance on this. There are plenty of good restaurants in Kiev. To be honest, I've never been dissapointed with the food. In the US - there are the best, worst, and everything in between restaurants. In this sense, its easier in Kiev - little chance of being totally burned with lousy food. That said, service is lousy (though this is typical throughout Europe), and pricey.

Overall, Kiev has lots to offer. The gripe you'll find from us Westerners is that it is no longer cheap. What I tell potential visitors - "the benefit of Kiev isn't the cost - its expensive - its the overall availability of hot young girls, both working and regulars".

There are hot young girls in the US, but unless you are Cruiser, they aren't as readily available :).

Street Sleuth
10-17-07, 09:59
As for the comments regarding Americans who travel the world and only eat hamburgers:

The only thing I appreciate more than a hot young girl, is a tastey meal. Indian, Mexican, Thai, Georgian....anything but meatloaf, really :).

I will make this comment - I've seen Brits throughout Europe drinking British beer, and eating fish and chips, in places with the best beer, and top notch cuisine. Truly pathetic. Brits, mind you, not Americans.

I tried once to convince some British tourists in Georgia (as in, Southeast of Ukraine...) to try Georgian cuisine (they managed to find a British bar/restaurant, and were eating buffalo wings....I totally failed in my mission. They wouldn't listen.

Their loss. For those who don't know, Georgian food is some of the best in the world. You can find Georgian restaurants in major EE cities (St Pete, Moscow, Kiev, Odessa). Georgian wine is top notch as well. If only Georgian girls were as plentiful as girls in Kiev, Georgia would be paradise!

Evilz632
10-17-07, 12:26
Of note: In the event a girl shows up that isn't to your liking - it is accepted to send them away, without payment (though it can naturally be difficult to do, depending on your personality). Easiest to make up an excuse, and give them cabfare. No great loss is my point. Very succinct pov SS.

About the comment you made above I agree, and I would add, I never order a girl to MY place unless it is an agency I have used in the past, because I have had the wrong girl show up and it can sometimes be awkward, I usually have given them 50 grivhen to just go away, but that is your choice, you can easily say " no thanks, you are not who I ordered, then call the agency let them know they sent you the wrong devushka and all is well.

But that is why I prefer to simple go to them if it isn't an agency that I have a relationship with, so when the girl opens the door, I have the option to simply walk away, OR if she is hotter than the one I ordered, which is often the case, I continue right in ;). About knowing Russian in order to properly use the local websites, I 100% agree, and as I said in my post, it is for locals UNLESS you have a good handle on the language, but for the short term tourist flying in for 5-10 days, they might not have the time for a hit and miss experience.

Thanks again for you useful points of view,

Evil Z

Maverick1
10-17-07, 14:49
Virgin? I have some water front property I would love to sale. I will make a really good deal to the guy who buys this virgin! LOL


I was checking out the escort websites today and came across an interesting offer on Vodka Escorts. They have a " medically verified 22 year old Ukrainian virgin ". Now I have NO idea if this is on the level, but the girl looks kinda virginish, the starting bid on the virgin auction is 3000 Euros.

Obviously this isn't for the average monger, but it reminded me of those old Japanese mongers on " Memoirs of a Geisha ". So to anyone interested in that sort of thing, check it out. I personally like my providers a little broken in.

Here is the link :

http://www.vodkaescort.com/gallery.php?ank_num=32

Regards,

Evil Z

Evilz632
10-17-07, 17:42
I seriously doubt ANYONE from this website would pay 3000 for something like that, but it isn't for me to judge. As far as her being a real virgin, as I said, I have NO idea. That is up to the person who has this type of fetish to find out on their own, though I agree, the thought of a 22 year old Ukrainian virgin is quite hard to believe.

Regardless of whether it is real or not, it is an interesting proposition. And that is why I posted it.

Regards,

Evil Z
Virgin? I have some water front property I would love to sale. I will make a really good deal to the guy who buys this virgin! LOLP.S, I think the joke generally starts with" if you believe THAT then I have some beach front property in "or the alternate "oceanfront property" which is usually followed by naming a place that clearly has no beach or ocean front like "Montana" for instance. Though I got the general jist of what you were trying to convey. ;)

Doctor_Skank
10-17-07, 23:22
I was checking out the escort websites today and came across an interesting offer on Vodka Escorts. They have a " medically verified 22 year old Ukrainian virgin ". Now I have NO idea if this is on the level, but the girl looks kinda virginish, the starting bid on the virgin auction is 3000 Euros.
Evil Z
LMFAO.

What "looks virginish?"

Besides, everybody knows that virgins are the cheapest lay you'll ever have.

Explorer69
10-17-07, 23:51
I was checking out the escort websites today and came across an interesting offer on Vodka Escorts. They have a " medically verified 22 year old Ukrainian virgin ". Now I have NO idea if this is on the level, but the girl looks kinda virginish, the starting bid on the virgin auction is 3000 Euros.

Obviously this isn't for the average monger, but it reminded me of those old Japanese mongers on " Memoirs of a Geisha ". So to anyone interested in that sort of thing, check it out. I personally like my providers a little broken in.

Here is the link :

http://www.vodkaescort.com/gallery.php?ank_num=32

Regards,

Evil ZThis virginity sounds very interesting! It would be a pleasure to check this this girl for medical virginity!! But it case it medically looks like a virgin, remember it is possible to reconstruct the hymen, plastic surgeons do. This is particularly done with girls where society demands that they are virgins when they marry. And plastic surgery in ukraine is very inexpensive compared to Western Europe and USA. A girl may repeatedly be a virgin.

Syntax Error
10-18-07, 00:16
Did you hear about hymen repair surgery?

Take a look at defloration.tv. Many famous pornstars have suddenly become virgins and you can actually see close-ups of their hymen.

http://www.defloration.tv/eng/hymen.htm

Evilz632
10-18-07, 00:16
LMFAO.What "looks virginish?"I don't know, I guess it was the un plucked eyebrows that threw me off. But who cares, she has probably been deflowered by some Japanese businessman by now.


Besides, everybody knows that virgins are the cheapest lay you'll ever have.Ummm, yeah, when I was in high school, I haven't had a virgin since I was about 18 years old. Last time I checked, your average adult Ukrainian girl isn't a virgin. Just how old are the cheap virgins you are fucking? I think REAL virgins that are over 18 are very rare in ANY country these days.

Regards,

Evil Z

PassinThrough
10-18-07, 02:54
I hear that hymen restoration surgery is very popular in the Middle East (of course not being a virgin on your wedding night could get you killed so I understand why). Maybe an escort agency is giving it a try to see how much they can make. If they get 3000 euro or more I am sure that more than pays for the procedure with a very nice profit for the agency and a little for the girl.

Just adding my two cents to the Cruser D/Evilz "discussion". Not all Americans are "'know it all' middle class arrogant ass" so please don't generalize. It's like saying all English are drunken hooligans or that all Romanians are lazy theives. Obviously not true. As for food, I found some quite tasty places in Kiev on my last visit, though I agree that the service was poor, but generally that is the case for many of the former sovier union countries. They are getting better, just give it time.

PIT

Evilz632
10-18-07, 08:07
I hear that hymen restoration surgery is very popular in the Middle East (of course not being a virgin on your wedding night could get you killed so I understand why). Maybe an escort agency is giving it a try to see how much they can make. If they get 3000 euro or more I am sure that more than pays for the procedure with a very nice profit for the agency and a little for the girl. That is a very interesting perspective, one I hadn't even considered, you could be right about that one. Though I would have to find out how much a surgery like that costs. But it does sound probable, because a 22 year old good looking Ukrainian virgin should be as hard to find as a mint condition Honus Wagner.


Not all Americans are "'know it all' middle class arrogant ass" so please don't generalize. It's like saying all English are drunken hooligans or that all Romanians are lazy theives. Obviously not true.You also left out " all Ukrainians are racists ". And I am sorry if I sounded as if I was generalizing, I was not, I was actually speaking out AGAINST over generalizing an entire population, culture, society and country. But just as there are some racist Ukrainians, there are also some " know it all " arrogant Americans, and they BOTH ruin it for the rest of us and give their respective cultures a bad name.

Regards,

Evil Z

AColonizer
10-18-07, 09:53
Hi everybody,

I found a site with some interesting girls: www.belamodel. Tk. There is a girl that I like very much!

I read something bad about this site

I tried to contact its manager but after months he replied with no phone number.

Can somebody give updated information about this site?

Thank you

Bye

Brandon88
10-18-07, 20:57
Correction: It is the Irish that are the drunken hooligans.


:D

Maverick1
10-18-07, 23:51
Never having sex before constitutes a virgin, not replacing the hymen.

What's next, getting VD from a virgin?


That is a very interesting perspective, one I hadn't even considered, you could be right about that one. Though I would have to find out how much a surgery like that costs. But it does sound probable, because a 22 year old good looking Ukrainian virgin should be as hard to find as a mint condition Honus Wagner.

You also left out " all Ukrainians are racists ". And I am sorry if I sounded as if I was generalizing, I was not, I was actually speaking out AGAINST over generalizing an entire population, culture, society and country. But just as there are some racist Ukrainians, there are also some " know it all " arrogant Americans, and they BOTH ruin it for the rest of us and give their respective cultures a bad name.

Regards,

Evil Z

Cumming To Kiev
10-19-07, 08:30
Evilz,

Where are you? I've PM'ed you twice as requested but no reply! How can I get hold of you to "pool" information if the PM thing isn't working? I paid for a subscription specially to PM you. Perhaps you're not a subscribed member and can't read the PMs? Anyway. I'm already in Kiev and enjoyed a particularly nice lady last night, but would like to braoden my horizons and try some of your "leads". How are we going to do this if the MM route isn't working?

Cheers

Evilz632
10-19-07, 08:38
No one said it does.

Regards,

Evil Z


Never having sex before constitutes a virgin, not replacing the hymen.What's next, getting VD from a virgin?

Evilz632
10-19-07, 09:22
Hi everybody,

I found a site with some interesting girls: www.belamodel.Tk. There is a girl that I like very much! I read something bad about this site I tried to contact its manager but after months he replied with no phone number. Can somebody give updated information about this site?

Thank you ByeHello Acol,

I would tell you first to probably find another website. That is what I am thinking, there used to be another website just like this one and it used to be advertised on http://travelsexguide.tv/main_nation4.htm , I actually saw some beautiful girls on there and the website said the models were actually part time runway models, and the pictures looked like actual stock photos of fashion models with some glamour shots thrown in.

Well, the proposal was the same, same EXACT layout, same no actual contact number, no agency address, just a request to send an email followed by another request to send a deposit on the service costs and travel expenses. Yeah fucking right, like THAT will ever happen.

My guess is , you will send the money via western union and never hear from the agency again. This type of scam was well documented on leguiderose.net, too bad that review site is no longer operational. You can also try http://travelsexguide.tv/main_nation4.htm for some suggestions on websites in Ukraine.

My advice would be to forget about that website, seems like an exact duplicate of a known scam site. But if you are feeling brave, give them a shot and report back your experience, but chances are no one on this board has had an experience with them. But I could be wrong.

The quality of girls in that website are easily found in Ukraine, either pro or non, and there are many websites with good looking girls that aren't as shady is this one.

Chances are, if it looks too good to be true, most of the time it is.

Good luck,

Evil Z

Evilz632
10-19-07, 18:30
Sorry CTK,

Check your PM''s, I just sent you a messege.

Regards,

Evil Z
Evilz,

Where are you? I've PM'ed you twice as requested but no reply!

Maverick1
10-22-07, 23:24
I would like to get a picture of this girls face if anyone is in Kiev and whould give give her a play.

http://www.xgirl.com.ua/girl.php?girl=118&photo=1

Tommes34
10-27-07, 15:46
I ordered now Tanja from an small Escort Agency in Donetzk.

She is cheaper than an highclass Escort and Oxana told me, that she is really an amateur. http://www.sexreise-ukraine.info/Begleitung/Tanja/begleitung_tanja.html i will write you tomorrow about her service.

I stay in Dnjepopetrovsk for a few weeks and I will test some girls.

Zebulon1
10-27-07, 17:27
I check some details about this agency and it seems to be new agency.

It could be the same agency that this one : http://www.ukraine-escort.info/honorar.html

Because it is the same adress in Donetsk : 87 artema street, but this the adress of an hotel.

Something strange.


I ordered now Tanja from an small Escort Agency in Donetzk.

She is cheaper than an highclass Escort and Oxana told me, that she is really an amateur. http://www.sexreise-ukraine.info/Begleitung/Tanja/begleitung_tanja.html i will write you tomorrow about her service.

I stay in Dnjepopetrovsk for a few weeks and I will test some girls.

Uke Boy
10-28-07, 16:10
We are now faced with the worst possible situation here in Kiev.

Over the last few days, hourly prices for local services from those wonderful online ladies has been increased in some cases from $100 to $120. In several other cases, the increase has been an incredible 50% from $100 to $150!

I propose that we fight back. These increases are not only ridiculous but they are outrageous and unacceptable. In order to fight back and bring sense and order to this pleasurable hobby I suggest that everyone try and do the following:

1. Do not use GIA. They are the assholes primarily responsible for this nightmare since they raised their prices almost double not too long ago. Let market economics work in your favor. If they lose a huge amount of business, then they have to look at lowering prices. Improving quality would be nice but that will not happen here for a million years with that shit organization.

2. Do not use the other even more overpriced agencies such as dreamed-escort or Vodka.

3. Do not contact any lady in top-models or other sites who ask for $120 or $150. These are the ones who do not deserve this payment. You will probably still get lousy service for much more money. In many cases the $100 wasn't worth paying so why should you pay $150?

4. If you do contact these overpriced ladies, negotiate, negotiate, negotiate. Let them know you are willing to pay only $100 - or less! In most cases they will agree since many of their other service providers are at $100 or less.

These increases are bloody insane. What's next, London prices for girls now that we have London prices for apartments?

Street Sleuth
10-28-07, 16:24
We are now faced with the worst possible situation here in Kiev.

Over the last few days, hourly prices for local services from those wonderful online ladies has been increased in some cases from $100 to $120. In several other cases, the increase has been an incredible 50% from $100 to $150!

I propose that we fight back. These increases are not only ridiculous but they are outrageous and unacceptable. In order to fight back and bring sense and order to this pleasurable hobby I suggest that everyone try and do the following:

1. Do not use GIA. They are the assholes primarily responsible for this nightmare since they raised their prices almost double not too long ago. Let market economics work in your favor. If they lose a huge amount of business, then they have to look at lowering prices. Improving quality would be nice but that will not happen here for a million years with that shit organization.

2. Do not use the other even more overpriced agencies such as dreamed-escort or Vodka.

3. Do not contact any lady in top-models or other sites who ask for $120 or $150. These are the ones who do not deserve this payment. You will probably still get lousy service for much more money. In many cases the $100 wasn't worth paying so why should you pay $150?

4. If you do contact these overpriced ladies, negotiate, negotiate, negotiate. Let them know you are willing to pay only $100 - or less! In most cases they will agree since many of their other service providers are at $100 or less.

These increases are bloody insane. What's next, London prices for girls now that we have London prices for apartments?

Uke-Boy,

I think my days of using those sites (top-models, indiviualki, etc.) are over - or will be a last resort only. Yep - prices have shot up. But an even more annoying event for me recently:

I called a $100 girl. It was very late at night (morning....). I had been drinking some :). She came, I paid her for one hour. After some activities, we both fell fast asleep (her moreso than me....).

Her phone rang and rang and rang, she slept through it - I heard it, but wasn't going to wrestle myself awake to get her to answer. At some point, I rolled over into her, waking her up. She called - got a *****ing of the century. She claimed the agency wanted payment for another hour.

I was like - are you serious? She fell asleep, I didn't request 2 hours. She understood, called agency again, more *****-slapping. I could hear them screaming through the phone!

In the end, I gave her a little extra - though certainly not a full hour's worth - as I felt bad for her...the mamachan was a real jack-ass.

I don't know if most people pick up on it - but even though the girls seem to be on their own, and even often are the ones that answer the phone, they are mostly tied to agencies, who keep track of them on a minute by minute basis.

Some girls have given me different numbers to call them at, to avoid that kind of mess, but most are reluctant/afraid of their agency's wrath if they find out.

No more of that nonsense for me.

AColonizer
10-28-07, 16:31
Maybe you are right, somebody said something similar some months ago, for example in April Eva was 800$/week and now she is 800$/day

Maybe because p2p girls read this forum: this forum must be a mongers' secret!

Mybe because too many weak mongers with no Slavic culture and no trade experience

That's incredible but if you are right then Kiev prices are higher than Italian prices

A solution to this problem, I think a good advice, is to stay with a p2p girl as much time as possible, for example at minimum a week, and so to ask her a discounted price

Another solution is. To marry her;.) I think we have found some p2p girls are good as our wifes.


We are now faced with the worst possible situation here in Kiev.

Uke Boy
10-28-07, 16:31
Street,

Unfortunately, with many agencies, the ladies are controlled by the mamasans and pimps who run the organization. There are only a handful of true independents.

The only other place that the ladies can be free to ply their wares (mostly)without someone taking a big share of the income is at River Palace.

Other than that assume the lady has a boss and needs to report at all times her activities.

Street Sleuth
10-28-07, 16:32
If anybody is interested, I may be inclined to give a report of which girls are real/worth calling on top-models (as well as which are fake/not worth calling) - tastes naturally differ, as do experiences (the girls I've liked tend to be the ones that end up a GF experience - but this is highly hit or miss, depending on whether the girl likes you, what mood she's in, etc., so no guarantees).

I wouldn't normally post this info - but I'm annoyed with the sites now, so feeling inclined to share the low-down on them.

I'd also try to list which speak English, as some do, I think, but I generally speak Russian with them just the same, so, unfortunately, I don't really have a handle on that.

Street Sleuth
10-28-07, 16:35
Street,

Unfortunately, with many agencies, the ladies are controlled by the mamasans and pimps who run the organization. There are only a handful of true independents.

The only other place that the ladies can be free to ply their wares (mostly)without someone taking a big share of the income is at River Palace.

Other than that assume the lady has a boss and needs to report at all times her activities.

Uke, I've come to understand that (even before this nasty incident....), but fail to fully understand why. Why don't more girls just post their own adds? As you point out, a handful do - and on those same sites - so it is theoretically a possibility.

Evilz632
10-28-07, 16:56
SS, I think you are missing a big point here, MANY of these girls would love to be independents, but this is a business in Kiev and in many cases it is a monopoly, if you understand my meaning. There are true independents, but as far as finding them on escort websites, good luck. The best you can do is get a providers personal number AFTER you contact and session with her through the agency. That, or you can go to places like RP, where you will probably find a higher ratio of independents.

I read your post UKE and I think it has merit, but do you really think we can bring these escort websites to their knees ? Believe me when I tell you this inflation issue is NOT specific to Kiev, I travel to South America often and prices are doubling just about everywhere, add that fact to the weak dollar and you will see things are really getting fucked. In Brazil, the dollar used to be at 2.20 and a girl used to be had for 100-150 R, Now the dollar is at 1.77 and the girls now want 200 R. Same thing in Colombia, same thing in Argentina, Venezuela, Peru etc.

But if we can't go to Vodka, Dreamed, Top Model, Gia, where do we go ??? You haven't left us much options. Again, I would agree, that if we can some how bring prices down under control, it would be a good thing, and I never use gia anymore, their quality is down and their prices are up, but I don't think the average impulse driven monger can actually boycott any of these agencies.

Regards,

E-Z


Uke, I've come to understand that (even before this nasty incident....), but fail to fully understand why. Why don't more girls just post their own adds? As you point out, a handful do - and on those same sites - so it is theoretically a possibility.

Uke Boy
10-28-07, 17:22
Street,

The problem is the usual one, that you generally need some sort of "krisha" or "roof" here, someone to cover your ass.

Strangely enough, being a pimp or mamasan is illegal and can get you into jail if you get busted. Being a prostitute is only a minor misdemeanor punishable only by a small fine.

You would think that there would be more independents but it is the pimps and mamasans who can pay the real protection money, and that mostly is to our friends here who protect the public morals and order, the police.

From some indies that I have spoken to, they pay the local cops in cash and services so as to continue the business unhampered.

Of course, I would assume that some large bordellos here are also mafia operated or even given protection by connected politicans and so-called biznesmeny.

Cruiser D
10-28-07, 22:37
Why give a hardened high volume pro $100+/hr when you can find a semi pro who will rock you for $100/night? Even better yet, if you are looking for value p4p skip Kiev altogether.

Qjump
10-29-07, 08:46
I check some details about this agency and it seems to be new agency.

It could be the same agency that this one : http://www.ukraine-escort.info/honorar.html

Because it is the same adress in Donetsk : 87 artema street, but this the adress of an hotel.

Something strange.

Even more strange after my post in "other areas" about this agency, I recieved this email:
Dear ********
sorry, that i write so late now. My boss told me, that he will not work with you.
I have no idea why, and he wouldn´t give me an answer.
Kind regards.

Oxana

Sort of leads me to think most of the girls are not real.
shame as i am searching for a real agency here in Donetsk but my search continues................

Zebulon1
10-29-07, 09:23
i never saw donetsk.

but for a city of this size it should be possible to find escort but may be you have to search by yourself, not on internet.

i found picture of two girls of the site on this one : http://www.uaescort.com/ , and they are in kiev, or may be it is fake too.

i will be in kiev next week, for the 4 times, and it is not really hard to find an escort, sometime very funny, and you can have good surprise like [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901).
but the price become really expensive.


even more strange after my post in "other areas" about this agency, i recieved this email:

dear ********
sorry, that i write so late now. my boss told me, that he will not work with you.
i have no idea why, and he wouldn´t give me an answer.
kind regards.

oxana

sort of leads me to think most of the girls are not real.
shame as i am searching for a real agency here in donetsk but my search continues................

Uke Boy
10-29-07, 11:32
Evil,

There are a few indies here such as the porn actress Inga/Marina who does her advertising in a very low key manner. They are around but they are very careful.

My post about the boycott was not that serious in terms of "taking action" but rather an effort to show that a horrendous inflation has now hit this sector of Ukraine's business.

We all know and understand when it comes to this issue, pretty much all of us think with our cocks and not with our brains when it comes to sex. That is why the agencies and the ladies have it over us when it comes to price increases. They know that only very few will negotiate (and many of the ladies will accept the lower price, at least at the start of the increase).

The other problem is for most readers, except for a handful like ourselves who speak Russian, few others can try it and maybe succeed in this area of reducing costs on a one-to-one basis.

The real problem is that for the most part, quality will go down or remain poor while prices now go up. Mining and finding the nuggets is going to get tougher and more expensive.

Cruiser,

In the entire scheme of things, I almost always have freebies here, one of the benefits of long term residence!

However, from time to time I do enjoy a very simple, no fuss, no bother, here's the money, let's go and do it now type of thing with the pros. It is really a nice change of pace and gives me a chance to assess things in this area of life and sex. Besides, this is the Kiev Escort thread!

Totonio
10-30-07, 22:55
If anybody is interested, I may be inclined to give a report of which girls are real/worth calling on top-models (as well as which are fake/not worth calling) - tastes naturally differ, as do experiences (the girls I've liked tend to be the ones that end up a GF experience - but this is highly hit or miss, depending on whether the girl likes you, what mood she's in, etc., so no guarantees).

I wouldn't normally post this info - but I'm annoyed with the sites now, so feeling inclined to share the low-down on them.

I'd also try to list which speak English, as some do, I think, but I generally speak Russian with them just the same, so, unfortunately, I don't really have a handle on that.Please, give some info about girls on top-models, and maybe you have some infos about...

http://intimgirls.kiev.ua/index.php?p=proverennie&sort= ???

Street Sleuth
10-31-07, 17:15
Recommended:

Viktorija: http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=1048
Probably the best going. Photos are real - she is hot, hot body, friendly enough, good sex, full hour. No kissing. Relatively new to the business (but learning quickly...).

Nastja: http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=1076
Cute enough, friendly, small :) - if you like that type. Given she is the girl in the photo, if you check out her list of 'friends' - they are likely all real as well (all have hidden faces, a good sign).

Lena: http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=1049
Photo is basically real, but she gained a modest amount of weight since, I think. Friendly. Not the hottest, by my tastes, but a good experience. She is also listed on your site, as 'Valeriya'.

Zhenja: http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=1067
Again, photo is real - but a bit unrealistic. Not nearly as hot in person, though you can tell it is her. Freindly. Good sex.

Tanya: http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=378
Photo is real. And she really is that hot! Definitely been in the business for awhile - a true independant (most of the above tied to agencies).

Not Recommended:

Anja, Nadja, Marta, Vera & Lera. Fakes. To make sure you've got the right girls - if you click on any one of them, under friends, the others will be listed. Its an agency, and nothing like the girls in the photos show up.

It Travel
10-31-07, 17:39
LMFAO.

What "looks virginish?"

Besides, everybody knows that virgins are the cheapest lay you'll ever have.

Yes I agree (I want pigs in bed not virgins) but for who is interested I saw a 20 y.o. climing to be virgin for 2.500 € for a week or so on www.flirt.com.ua

IT

PS I will never take her! Scam!

Evilz632
10-31-07, 20:00
This is something I came across the other day, I had no idea, the surgery was so cheap. They say the prices are between $400-1200 US, so I could see how a scam could be put into place, if the trick is paying 2500 or double the cost of the surgery.

E-Z


Yes I agree (I want pigs in bed not virgins) but for who is interested I saw a 20 y.o. climing to be virgin for 2.500 € for a week or so on www.flirt.com.ua

IT

PS I will never take her! Scam!

Evilz632
10-31-07, 20:01
http://english.pravda.ru/science/health/30-10-2007/99808-virginity-0

AColonizer
11-01-07, 15:55
i found these sites about prostitutes in kiev:

http://www.intimdosug.com.ua

http://www.kiev-x.com/girls/

http://top-models.com.ua/

They are very interesting because they have a lot of nice prostitutes and http: //top-models.com. Ua/ has got prostitutes with special services such as fisting.

What do you think about them? Are they reliable? Can we negotiate prices and services? Have you tested some prostitutes of them?

Cruiser D
11-03-07, 16:50
AC, do you ever read the forum? All three of those agencies have been cover - a lot. Some one just posted a lot of information about top models four messages down from yours!

Uke Boy
11-03-07, 17:27
Colon,

Instead of wasting your time and ours aksing questions that have been answered over and over and over agin, why don't you just go out and DO IT!

Call the agencies or ladies on the web sites, order up the girls and then write reports here on your experiences.

You are apparently a hopeless case who wastes bandwith more than anyone else here.

Maverick1
11-03-07, 19:30
I would like someone in Kiev that to post a picture of this girl's face so I will have a better idea of what I am getting before I pay for it. Perhaps an opinion as to her abilities and their experience with her? Isn't exchange of information such as this what the site is supposed to be about?

http://www.xgirl.com.ua/girl.php?girl=118&photo=1


i found these sites about prostitutes in kiev:

http://www.intimdosug.com.ua

http://www.kiev-x.com/girls/

http://top-models.com.ua/

They are very interesting because they have a lot of nice prostitutes and http: //top-models.com. Ua/ has got prostitutes with special services such as fisting.

What do you think about them? Are they reliable? Can we negotiate prices and services? Have you tested some prostitutes of them?

Uke Boy
11-03-07, 21:45
Maverick,

About half your posts are questions asking to see someone's face and you also asked about this girl in an earlier post.

How about if you go ahead, come to Kiev and visit the girl and then give us a report about her?

The big problem here is that the faces are mostly covered on the sites with just a few rare exceptions, so it is hit or miss. The other big problem here is that the girl on the site may not be the girl who visits. Also, by the time you get here, she may be out of the business so your request, unless you are here today and now, is useless.

But covered faces does not stop most of us, including myself, to go out meet the ladies.

The rest of us have balls and we have a good time using them.

Zebulon1
11-05-07, 08:33
I met her yersterday, and according me she is nice.

She is not a pro but a student, so basic service but really interessing, and good service.

You can find her here :

http://www.kiev-x.com/girls/26/

She have really a very nice body.

Pictures are fake, but she is very similar, long dark hair, dark eyes, nice body, nice tits ... and classy dress.

Good surprise.

And she speaks a good english for me.

Tom Ky
11-05-07, 22:10
Went to kiev in April. Used a guide named alex. This guy was the best guide I have had anywhere. Picks you up at the airport. Knows all the spots. Will provide transportation to odessa, yalta kiev. Not only a great guide for the sex tour but also as a guide for the ukraine. The best places to visit. You can reach alex at:

ukrorloff@mail.ru
alex
+38093 14154 07.

Make sure you say tom from ky sent you. i promise youll have the time of your life.

Maverick1
11-07-07, 01:39
Been there twice in six months. As you said, by the time I get back in Feb. she may be off the site or out of the business. That is why I am asking someone who has a plan to go before I get back.


Maverick,

About half your posts are questions asking to see someone's face and you also asked about this girl in an earlier post.

How about if you go ahead, come to Kiev and visit the girl and then give us a report about her?

The big problem here is that the faces are mostly covered on the sites with just a few rare exceptions, so it is hit or miss. The other big problem here is that the girl on the site may not be the girl who visits. Also, by the time you get here, she may be out of the business so your request, unless you are here today and now, is useless.

But covered faces does not stop most of us, including myself, to go out meet the ladies.

The rest of us have balls and we have a good time using them.

PassinThrough
11-07-07, 06:29
Went to kiev in April. Used a guide named alex. This guy was the best guide I have had anywhere. Picks you up at the airport. Knows all the spots. Will provide transportation to odessa, yalta kiev. Not only a great guide for the sex tour but also as a guide for the ukraine. The best places to visit. You can reach alex at:

ukrorloff@mail.ru
alex
+38093 14154 07.

Make sure you say tom from ky sent you. i promise youll have the time of your life.

Sounds like a shill post to me...

PIT

Kievtraveler
11-13-07, 10:18
Street Sleuth,

Do these girls speak English? My russion is limited to 20-30 words. I guess that is enough for the action, but I would like to have something more.


Recommended:

Viktorija: http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=1048
Probably the best going. Photos are real - she is hot, hot body, friendly enough, good sex, full hour. No kissing. Relatively new to the business (but learning quickly...).

Nastja: http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=1076
Cute enough, friendly, small :) - if you like that type. Given she is the girl in the photo, if you check out her list of 'friends' - they are likely all real as well (all have hidden faces, a good sign).

Lena: http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=1049
Photo is basically real, but she gained a modest amount of weight since, I think. Friendly. Not the hottest, by my tastes, but a good experience. She is also listed on your site, as 'Valeriya'.

Zhenja: http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=1067
Again, photo is real - but a bit unrealistic. Not nearly as hot in person, though you can tell it is her. Freindly. Good sex.

Tanya: http://www.top-models.com.ua/?id=378
Photo is real. And she really is that hot! Definitely been in the business for awhile - a true independant (most of the above tied to agencies).

Not Recommended:

Anja, Nadja, Marta, Vera & Lera. Fakes. To make sure you've got the right girls - if you click on any one of them, under friends, the others will be listed. Its an agency, and nothing like the girls in the photos show up.

Street Sleuth
11-13-07, 22:51
Street Sleuth,

Do these girls speak English? My russion is limited to 20-30 words. I guess that is enough for the action, but I would like to have something more.

I can't say for certain - my Russian is good enough such that, even if a girl can speak english, we generally speak in russian.

That said - I don't think many of these girls would be fluent enough in english to make arrangements to meet. Worth a try, but difficult. If at all possible, get someone fluent in Russian to arrange a meeting - from there, language won't be an issue :)

Zebulon1
11-14-07, 07:54
Street Sleuth,

Do these girls speak English? My russion is limited to 20-30 words. I guess that is enough for the action, but I would like to have something more.For Tanya yes, I arrange a meeting with sms.

AColonizer
11-17-07, 14:02
I know (all or some? ) slavic prostitutes are used to have sado-maso sessions and I sometimes read "? " = female slave: what do prostitutes have when they are "? " = female slave?

Masturbator
12-14-07, 20:35
Hello,

I'm first time in kiev and also new to this forum.

With the search I found already some webpages (top-model, kievx, .) and there are a lot of pretty nice girsl which I want to visit.

But at the pages there are just the telephone numbers, so I called countless numbers, but none of the girls spoke english and I don't speak ukraine, so none of them could tell me the adress of their place.

What a pitty!

Could anybody help me and tell me the adress of a salon?

Thanx a lot in advance!

Qjump
12-15-07, 10:49
Hello,

I'm first time in kiev and also new to this forum.

With the search I found already some webpages (top-model, kievx, .) and there are a lot of pretty nice girsl which I want to visit.

But at the pages there are just the telephone numbers, so I called countless numbers, but none of the girls spoke english and I don't speak ukraine, so none of them could tell me the adress of their place.

What a pitty!

Could anybody help me and tell me the adress of a salon?

Thanx a lot in advance!

1. Try speaking russian it will work better than Ukraine.
2. Try when you are here. get a local to translate for you.
3. Or get a trustful driver (pm me) and I will give you the number of a Good english speaking taxi driver there.
4. For other information........ RTFF

Masturbator
12-16-07, 21:29
1. Try speaking russian it will work better than Ukraine.I don't speak Ukraine or Russian at all.


2. Try when you are here. get a local to translate for you.The only local i know here are related to my customer and I don't want to inform them about my intenson.


3. Or get a trustful driver (pm me) and I will give you the number of a Good english speaking taxi driver there.I just need an address of a salon


4. For other information........ RTFFI did already before I wrote my posting.

Qjump
12-17-07, 10:35
I don't speak Ukraine or Russian at all.

The only local i know here are related to my customer and I don't want to inform them about my intenson.

I just need an address of a salon

I did already before I wrote my posting.

Just an idea.... but if you get the address of a salon how will you get there?

Salons are a dark side and as a first timer in Kiev who speaks little russian I would get my ass into RP.

If you do need any contacts PM me. I have a list of English speaking girls who work from apartments.

On another note
anyone heard of this site?
and any experience?

http://www.uakisski.com/

Cheers
Q

Masturbator
12-17-07, 18:10
Just an idea.... but if you get the address of a salon how will you get there?

Salons are a dark side and as a first timer in Kiev who speaks little russian I would get my ass into RP.

If you do need any contacts PM me. I have a list of English speaking girls who work from apartments.

On another note
anyone heard of this site?
and any experience?

http://www.uakisski.com/

Cheers,

QDon't worry, I'm first time in Kiev, but not first time abroad. I'm quite familiar with "local transportation", so if I have an address, I'll find it.

I tried, but I can't PM you.

AColonizer
12-20-07, 23:52
here is a typical reply that i receive from sponsored girls at www.flirt.com.ua:

ЗВОНИТЕ ДО 04:00 НОЧИ phone from 4.00 at night

НА ФОТО Я in this photo there is me

ПРИВЕТ БУДУ РАДА СОСТАВИТЬ ВАМ КОМПАНИЮ И ПРЕДЛОЖИТЬ ВЕЛЕКОЛЕПНЫЙ СЕКС hi i am glad to be your companion and to offer nice sex

КЛАСИКА ОРАЛ МАСАЖ ДОМИНИРОВАНИЕ classical oral massage domination

ПРИЕДУ К ВАМ В ГОСТИ. i will come to your place

МОЙ ТЕЛЕФОН my phone number

ВОСЕМЬ НОЛЬ ШЕСТЬ СЕМЬ ШЕСТЬ ВОСЕМЬ ВОСЕМЬ ДЕВЯТЬ НОЛЬ ОДИН СЕМЬ. EIGHT ZERO SIX SEVEN SIX EIGHT EIGHT NINE ZERO ONE SEVEN

100 ДОЛОРОВ ЧАСИК. 100 $/hour

МОЖНО В САУНУ В ОТЕЛЬ ИЛИ К ВАМ ДОМОЙ.............
possible in sauna or hotel or house

ЖДУ i wait for you

I have received a similar reply from about ten sponsored girls, their replies have the same font and the same sentences, the same services and the same prices

I think there is a big agency working with www.flirt.com. Ua and this agency wants to monopolize the p2p market in kiev

It is terrible to pay 100$/hour for pussy fucking, only, and it is terrible to listen to girls asking high prices for pussy fucking, only, because it means only they want to cheat foreigners

What is a solution? it is always the same, to prefer free sex or to look for pay sex only for specific services

I know it is not an easy solution because it is not easy to stop a man when he wants to fuck, but do you prefer to fuck or to be fucked?

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was edited to remove text not in English. While I encourage contributions from all members, the Forum is an English-only website. Please do not post reports in any language other than English unless accompanied by a full English translation.Thanks!

It Travel
12-31-07, 13:14
here is a typical reply that i receive from sponsored girls at www.flirt.com.ua:

ЗВОНИТЕ ДО 04:00 НОЧИ phone from 4.00 at night

НА ФОТО Я in this photo there is me

ПРИВЕТ БУДУ РАДА СОСТАВИТЬ ВАМ КОМПАНИЮ И ПРЕДЛОЖИТЬ ВЕЛЕКОЛЕПНЫЙ СЕКС hi i am glad to be your companion and to offer nice sex

КЛАСИКА ОРАЛ МАСАЖ ДОМИНИРОВАНИЕ classical oral massage domination

ПРИЕДУ К ВАМ В ГОСТИ. i will come to your place

МОЙ ТЕЛЕФОН my phone number

ВОСЕМЬ НОЛЬ ШЕСТЬ СЕМЬ ШЕСТЬ ВОСЕМЬ ВОСЕМЬ ДЕВЯТЬ НОЛЬ ОДИН СЕМЬ. EIGHT ZERO SIX SEVEN SIX EIGHT EIGHT NINE ZERO ONE SEVEN

100 ДОЛОРОВ ЧАСИК. 100 $/hour

МОЖНО В САУНУ В ОТЕЛЬ ИЛИ К ВАМ ДОМОЙ.............
possible in sauna or hotel or house

ЖДУ i wait for you

I have received a similar reply from about ten sponsored girls, their replies have the same font and the same sentences, the same services and the same prices

I think there is a big agency working with www.flirt.com. Ua and this agency wants to monopolize the p2p market in kiev

It is terrible to pay 100$/hour for pussy fucking, only, and it is terrible to listen to girls asking high prices for pussy fucking, only, because it means only they want to cheat foreigners

What is a solution? it is always the same, to prefer free sex or to look for pay sex only for specific services

I know it is not an easy solution because it is not easy to stop a man when he wants to fuck, but do you prefer to fuck or to be fucked?

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was edited to remove text not in English. While I encourage contributions from all members, the Forum is an English-only website. Please do not post reports in any language other than English unless accompanied by a full English translation.Thanks!


On flirt the normal sponsored ones are from 200 to 400 USD a day, depends on beauty and what they do...

Not even at Gia they are so expencive... It's better in Rio where at daytime at Ciaplus you get a nice "Completa" (anal BBBJ, COF, CIM etc for 30-35 € fot two hours, but the problem is that I prefer the skinny blondinkas!

IT

Adams29
01-04-08, 10:03
New site escort http://www.girlsvip.com.ua/

Uke Boy
01-04-08, 16:45
This is getting boring and repetitive.

Adams29 is just another in a sorry and pathetic line of local bordello pimps who wants us to visit his useless web site.

The photos show nothing, they are mostly retreads of old and fake photos. In addition, the contact telephone number in all cases (the same number) is that of a bordello and/or dispatcher.

The girl you will get is not the one in the photos.

Do not even bother with this site.

Ttomas
01-13-08, 14:43
Hi.

Based on the Qjumps report I have visited Chicago in Donetsk. Went upstairs. Selected a gilr. Private room. And $100. She was pretty, good ass, nice tits. Anyways. Thanks Qjump

Could you recommend any girl in Kiev? Maybe a bit less expensive thanks a lot.


Even more strange after my post in "other areas" about this agency, I recieved this email:
Dear ********
sorry, that i write so late now. My boss told me, that he will not work with you.
I have no idea why, and he wouldn´t give me an answer.
Kind regards.

Oxana

Sort of leads me to think most of the girls are not real.
shame as i am searching for a real agency here in Donetsk but my search continues................

AColonizer
01-13-08, 15:35
It seems, now, there are a lot of new sites with prostitutes' (or agencies) advertisements and some of those have got real photos with real phone numbers of independent prostitutes.

Has somebody got the same opinion? Can somebody talk about his experience?

However, most of them have got fake photos with phone numbers of agencies or manageress. I phoned, for example, a lot of prostitutes found in www.kiev-x.com (and other sites that I don't remember) and a woman sent to me student girls but rude, greedy, expensive and not good in sex!

Some standards to remember are:

- Swallow blowjobs. All prostitutes are used to swallow blowjobs (and unprotected sex in general). Ukrainian (and hungarian) prostitutes in italy are famous for their deep throat swallow blowjobs. When prostitutes don't want to do that, they are simply cheating customers;

- Prostitutes' age. Longtime prostitutes started when they are very young (I should write another word but jackson will censor it) and therefore when they are 20, they are old and they should apply lower prices;

- Unexperienced girls. They are usually students started very late and part time and with little experience in sex and therefore they should apply lower prices.

About fake advertisements, did somebody try her?

http://www.kiev-x.com/girls/194/2.html

Masturbator
01-20-08, 14:00
My problem is, that I don't speak Ukraine or Russian, so I called plenty of telephone numbers and the girls just explained me that they don't speak english or dropped the line immediately.

After more than 25 calls I ended up at "Olga" from "kiev-X", she spoke perfect English and gave me her address.

So I managed to find her apartment, I knew already from the pictures at Kiev-x that she has HUGE breast and is not the "skinny" type of girl.

When she opened the door at first I was a little "surprised" because honest she has some "extra-pounds" compared to the pic's from "kiev-x".

In fact she is a "Rubens-Lady", but with nice face and big tits, so I decided to stay.

Man, I was in HEAVEN!

She turned out to be really hot, I fucked her like a maniac and she made me cum 3 times within 1h and I was still hard but totally exhausted!

I just paid for 1h but she didn't say anything about finishing, so I was there almost 2hours!

So if you are into "Rubens" Ladies, this is definitely the place to go!

If somebody knows some girls they speak english this information would be highly appreciated!

AColonizer
01-21-08, 13:00
Just a question, masturbator:

Which services did she make with you?

Masturbator
01-21-08, 20:30
I would say "standard" program.

- blowjob

- titfuck

- fucking in every position

I didn't ask for anything else.


Just a question, masturbator:

Which services did she make with you?

Cruiser D
02-09-08, 09:03
‘Vera’ or whomever you are. First you were pretending to be some guy who was using your service. Now you come out and say that ‘someone’ has been lying about you?! The only person who seems to be lying is you.

No one ever said the pictures were not you. We said you are average for a Ukrainian girl and over priced – get it right.

Do us all a favor and stop posting on this website. That's what I think.


Hi guys! I've been in Ukraine a few years ago and have tried Vodka-esort agency. Nice escort, nice girls. All was fantastic. A little expencive, but I prfer to pay more than be treated like a s. T. Agreed?

I'm in Odessa in this moment and really enjoy spending my time with womderful local ladyes. Should notice that one of girls from Vodka-escort lives in Odessa and I spent last (full of pleasure.) night with her.

Her pics www.vera.escortwww.com


Hi guys!

Just show one more sweety escort http://www.vera.escortwww.com

She speaks English and hot in bed.