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01-01-06, 01:00
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Old Mean Dog
11-10-06, 05:30
Isn't all sex usually cheaper in China? What other country are we actually comparing China to? FS for under $25 USD, with a sweet young thing aged 18-26, sounds like a helluva bargin no matter what country your in.

Xiangjiao
11-10-06, 08:00
You're right. Having this thread doesn't make much sense if you're mainly reading the threads on Chengdu, Qingdao, Dongguan, or even Shanghai.

But from reading a bit on the Beijing thread, it looks like this thread was started partly in response to some Beijing mongerers who regularly pay over US$125 for a 20-something Mongolian with attitude and think they're getting a good deal. I guess beauty (and hence value) is in the eye of the beholder, and everyone is entitled to an opinion (even if they're not senior members), so maybe this is the place to post good-quality FS in Beijing for under US$100.



Isn't all sex usually cheaper in China? What other country are we actually comparing China to? FS for under $25 USD, with a sweet young thing aged 18-26, sounds like a helluva bargin no matter what country your in.

Ks457
11-10-06, 10:03
Isn't all sex usually cheaper in China? What other country are we actually comparing China to? FS for under $25 USD, with a sweet young thing aged 18-26, sounds like a helluva bargin no matter what country your in.

Compared to $5 (40 RMB) for short time (!!) in Cambodia, even China would be expensive. Long time $10~15 (80-120 RMB). But I guess if you're a local, I've read posts that you can get prices like these even in some parts of China.

Having lived in the U.S., and having mongered there, the prices here still blows my mind...

-KS

Lao Ma
11-10-06, 14:52
Geez Xiangjiao, its' been 5 or 6 months since you went to Maggies and didn't have a good time because you are asian and had to work at it, and it's still a bee in your bonnet. If you haven't figured it out by now, you must sit down and hear the truth: many mongolian girls don't like chinese men. Many mongolians don't like chinese in general, and many chinese look down on mongolians. Get over it, them's the breaks. Is that an attitude problem ? I don't know, maybe. But there's places I've gone to that won't take me because I am a honkie white boy. I just say okay, and move on. You sound bitter or offended. This is a game, pick another partner

Xiangjiao
11-10-06, 17:12
Ah, I was waiting for the usual suspects to appear, ;)
Haha, I've moved on. Have you?


Geez Xiangjiao, its' been 5 or 6 months since you went to Maggies and didn't have a good time because you are asian and had to work at it, and it's still a bee in your bonnet. If you haven't figured it out by now, you must sit down and hear the truth: many mongolian girls don't like chinese men. Many mongolians don't like chinese in general, and many chinese look down on mongolians. Get over it, them's the breaks. Is that an attitude problem ? I don't know, maybe. But there's places I've gone to that won't take me because I am a honkie white boy. I just say okay, and move on. You sound bitter or offended. This is a game, pick another partner

Fast Eddie 48
11-10-06, 17:48
Compared to $5 (40 RMB) for short time (!!) in Cambodia, even China would be expensive. Long time $10~15 (80-120 RMB). But I guess if you're a local, I've read posts that you can get prices like these even in some parts of China.

Having lived in the U.S., and having mongered there, the prices here still blows my mind...

-KS


to KS

I been to Cambodia also cheap p4p ,But there is $ 5 service all over China if
you now where to go mostly dump service local and quality is poor ,

I also live in the US have not p4p here for over 10 yr ,In US you cannot even get a lap dance for under $40.00 usd, only time that I p4p now is on my business trip to asia and south america.

fast eddie 48

Alex Rock
11-10-06, 18:28
It was the price offered to people coming and going at Guangzhou Railway Station in the mid 80's.

Carlos Primeros
11-10-06, 22:39
I am a regular visitor to Guanzhu - 4 -5 days per month.

I never found this 5 USD stints - 3 - 4 hours are usually around 50 USD/400 yuan. These are girls where the "business-cards" are handed out by pimps. I never posted on the China boad as there is nothing to write home about. - At least not for me.

Carlos Primeros
- Deposed king of Porutgal.

Satellite
11-11-06, 03:03
The best way to get cheap sex is to befriend a professional looking English speaking Chinese man- married or not (the professional ones are not likely to jack you up). Just being nice, start talking, buy some beers... Then lead the conversation into looking for some girls.

My experience is I ask my new friends to show me around and some take me to their favorite cheap places as that is my type. I usually get the same rate they do (130-150 RMB) although sometimes bbs's try the foreigner rate but stand fast. Always bring your own rubbers (I always bring the wet wipes also for after) as cheaper has it's risks.

One time- A new friend I just met took me to a hidden foot massage place after a round of drinks. It was around midnight. The mama san said all girls are taken except one that just went to the store. We waited to check her out for the heck of it- 15 minutes. She came in and she was awesome- tall (5'8"), medium frame and a very attractive face to westerners- She took me into the back room- into the kitchen. They unlocked a pantry door and immediatly inside was a ladder to climb through a small hole to an upstairs cubby hole to 2 small makeshift bedrooms the size of 7'x4'. Did the deed which was awesome- ST 150 RMB. left and made a point to remember where. Ended up being a 15 minute taxi from work so I looked forward to the lunch breaks. I became a regular where I would just walk through the bbs into the back where they sleep- I would wake her up- she would open her eyes and smile- still stunning after just waking up and riding customers hours before- bad thought. After 1 month she moved as part of a "rotation". I personally hope she gets promoted to KTV where the money is.

But for safety's sake, I would only do this in the safer cities like Quingdao (did that- awesome experiences), Shanghai and Beijing. Your likely to be jacked in cities like Guangzhou, Dongguang.

The other tip to find the cheaper better looking bbs girls- I use the stalking method when in an area near "a concentration of bbs". On the road I wander around and it usually does not take long before I come across some real cutie I want. I'll just casually follow them from a distance and 50% of the time, they go into a bbs. If they go into a convenient store- follow them in and smile at them- say hi- try to meet them. Then from a distance continue stalking. If they go into a bbs, wait a few minutes, go in and if you see her during your scan, look surprised and smile. Then you have her. To me, stalking method is also a little more fun than just going into BBS's as there is an effort and reward to it. Also for some reason, I've been bad judging/picking girls when they are sitting. When you see them strutting in the street, then I get a better sense of their body.

Just my thoughts

satellite

Midea
11-12-06, 14:48
Satellite,

I cannot agree more.

My buddies pick them up on their motorcycles. They hope from girls to girls riding their bikes. It became a game actually.

When in North west BJ, I was recently approach on the sidewalk by a mother with her daughter, looking like sisters (one looking much older) and it was clear that I could take her daughter away against one month rent = 200RMB! Not a hooker, I was on a regular street, no BBS around, just a family I need I guess.

I reported this experience to my friend, A FORMER HOT PROSTITUTE (still burning hot), whish has made a little bundle between BJ and Shanghais. Now she owns a store. And she seriously explained that is it more common to see mothers selling their daughters for an afternoon to a laowai nowadays.

- "They are easy to spot, they don't carry shopping bags, and usually the mother looks at the foreigner persistently, when the girl acts like shy, but happy" I trust that our village idiots never cared to realize how broke folks are in Beijing. For they are satisfying themselves engrossing their dear mamsan friend, when actually their pickup gets 1/8 of the money. What a charitable, superior, as well as rewarding feeling to have farm girls in their bed for 800kuais.

K Zero
11-12-06, 19:17
I know a few mamasan that operate from local appartments. Most are "relatively" clean.

Usually 150 Single ST, 300 Double ST, 300 Single Overnight (at least 3 shots), 300+cab fees for take out to your place.

I am not comfortable bringing you there if:

1) You look foreigner.
2) You can't speak Chinese.

I will be willing to bring you there, the mamasan don't accept strangers. The girls there usually rotate every 2weeks, and have 2-5 girls there at any given time. Most of the mamasan are available as well, they look more mature, but better technique. The girls there range from 5-9, hot ridding cow girl to super icy deadfish. I've even fucked a girl with 35D there. So, depends on luck.

However, currently my 2 fuck friends are in town, and I stay with my long term GF. So, when I go, it is usually urge of the moment and usually in the day time.

PM me if you want more info on how we can work out.

Anyone with similar resource or contact?

Safepaths

Alex Rock
11-13-06, 13:01
When in North west BJ, I was recently approach on the sidewalk by a mother with her daughter, looking like sisters (one looking much older) and it was clear that I could take her daughter away against one month rent = 200RMB! Not a hooker, I was on a regular street, no BBS around, just a family I need I guess.

I reported this experience to my friend, A FORMER HOT PROSTITUTE (still burning hot), whish has made a little bundle between BJ and Shanghais. Now she owns a store. And she seriously explained that is it more common to see mothers selling their daughters for an afternoon to a laowai nowadays.

- "They are easy to spot, they don't carry shopping bags, and usually the mother looks at the foreigner persistently, when the girl acts like shy, but happy" I trust that our village idiots never cared to realize how broke folks are in Beijing. For they are satisfying themselves engrossing their dear mamsan friend, when actually their pickup gets 1/8 of the money. What a charitable, superior, as well as rewarding feeling to have farm girls in their bed for 800kuais.

Midea, I resent your mockery of poverty!. You don't have credibility - come across as reporting fantasy and hearsay rather than facts and experiences. You also seem to have been in Beijing a relatively short time and you don't know your way around, or how things are changing. If you saw a mother selling her child - It is very sad. Are you sure it wasn't a beggar?

Do you think the mothers you purport to be selling daughters are from the city or are "farm girls" you appear to look down on.

Your reference to "village idiots" as a reference to some of the posters on this forum - saying we don't realize "how broke folks are in Beijing". Do you claim that we don't know what the incomes of urban and rural families are? Do you know how much it costs to hire a maid from the countryside? Actually you can get them for as cheap as 600RMB, which sounds like your monthly income. You probably don't know most people pay 800-1200RMB per month for maids.

You mock guys in the Beijing forum for paying 600-800 for mongolian girls. You laugh at some of us that have paid 3000 or more for top class model types or classy escorts. You claim to pay 100 to girls in supermarkets who you say are not working girls.

May I suggest you lay off trying to prove you are better than experienced people who have been around a long time because you say you can pay less for the same thing. If you read more, you'll read that a lot us get freebies, with some very sexy girls.

The whole purpose of these forums is to exchange useful information. You've not done any of that. You've not given any info on places to go, where to find the cheaper girls you imply you know about. You've only criticized others and talked in generalities. Go ahead! Name some specific places, send some pics and maybe some people will start to believe you.

Your posts have strong implications of a condescension towards people who are "broke". I've been to the poorest areas of Qinghai, Gansu and Tibet and seen the poverty that some people are trying to bring themselves out of. I resent your implied mockery of poverty.

Alex Rock
11-13-06, 13:10
Sorry, I realise from your posts, you probably can't afford a camera. Sorry for asking you to send some pics.

Alex Rock
11-13-06, 13:48
Farmers turn to strippers and gambling (Xinhua) Updated: 2006-11-13 19:59

The exposure of strippers and gambling joints at a township fair in central China has sparked a nationwide debate over the evolving cultural values of the country's farmers.

China Central Television aired a program at the weekend showing parents -- many with children -- watching naked women gyrating to loud music at a "tourism and culture festival" in Henan Province last week.

Dozens of strippers were occupying sheds along with heavily patronized gambling joints at the festival organized by the government of Duanji Township in Gushi County, according to the V program.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-11/13/content_732027.htm

K Zero
11-13-06, 13:55
Alex,

No need to sink to his level. :)

Some people just like to live in fantasies.

I've been in Beijing long enough, maybe my contatcs are just limited, I've *ONLY* heard of ONE, yes, UNO, source that mom+daughter are in the same trade.

The one mentioned below, is probably his illusion, wanting that particular fantasy. Everyone is entitled to their fantasy, no? :)

Happy hunting

OldAsiaHand
11-13-06, 14:37
I've posted on the DG thread about 30 RMB ST in the catacombs of CP. There used to be the same deal in the hutongs of Dashi, a suburb of GZ, but it has been recently stopped by the local LE. I half jokingly asked a motorcycle taxi guy in another GZ suburb this afternoon and he said just down the road there is 30/40/50 RMB ST available. I asked him about quality and he said the 50 RMB were very hot. Unfortunately, I did not have a chance to follow him and take a look today. 40 RMB is the going local rate for ST in Panyu (Shi Qiao) on the River Road.

30-50RMB is the cheapest FS that I've come across in China and this price seems to be pretty wide spread across Guangdong anyway. Unfortunately, the accomodations are usually pretty bad.

OAH

Phil1980
11-13-06, 18:55
In Sanming, Fujian Province massage girls for 20RMB basic massage, just ask a motorbike cab driver for girls and he will drive you to them, not sure about the cost of extras (50RMB?).

Generally I imagine any small town in the Southwest (Guangxi, Yunnan) to be extremely cheap, e.g. cab drivers in motor-rickshaws in Jingxi, Guangxi Province (which I visited in 2004) only asked for 1-2 RMB in fares, a 4-star hotel (the best hotel in town) cost 120 RMB a night.

Another cheap experience was Qionghai, Hainan Province, motorbike cabs only asked for 1-3 RMB anywhere in town, girls were about 100 RMB and not bad in quality.

Sammy_T
11-14-06, 05:05
I trust that our village idiots never cared to realize how broke folks are in Beijing. For they are satisfying themselves engrossing their dear mamsan friend, when actually their pickup gets 1/8 of the money. What a charitable, superior, as well as rewarding feeling to have farm girls in their bed for 800kuais.

Farm girls can be easily found in Beijing for 200 - 300 RMB. Just look in the area outside the Hard Rock. I agree with you that the mamsan is getting a majority of this money. Most of the posters that pay 800RMB are paying for MONGOLIAN girls, not farm girls. 99% of the Mongolian girls working in Beijing are self employed, they do not have a manager/mamsan. They get 100% of the money given to them.

I have the money. If the girl makes me happy, and I can improve her life by giving her some money, then I do not understand why you have a problem with it. Sure, you can argue that I am raising the market price, and because of this you cannot afford to go with a Mongolian girl. I would very much like to live in one of the luxury penthouse apartments in downtown Beijing, but I do not write letters to the China Daily complaining that Beijing real-estate is too expensive. I live at a place within my budget. Your budget is on the low end, and this thread was created to help you find quality girls within your budget. There is no reason to continue to knock those of us that have a higher budget.

Sammy

Datiao
11-14-06, 14:52
I think cheap sex is all over China if you know where it is.

Just been to Changping 2 weeks ago and posted.

The catacomb girls at Changping mostly were 20+,above average looking and at 30rmb ST is definitely cheap if you can put up with the bad accomodations.

In Xiamen bbbj in a bbs is available for 50rmb near the LuJiang jetty area.

Accomodation is much better than the catacombs.

Tiger 888
11-14-06, 17:42
Farm girls can be easily found in Beijing for 200 - 300 RMB. Just look in the area outside the Hard Rock. I agree with you that the mamsan is getting a majority of this money. Most of the posters that pay 800RMB are paying for MONGOLIAN girls, not farm girls. 99% of the Mongolian girls working in Beijing are self employed, they do not have a manager/mamsan. They get 100% of the money given to them.

I have the money. If the girl makes me happy, and I can improve her life by giving her some money, then I do not understand why you have a problem with it. Sure, you can argue that I am raising the market price, and because of this you cannot afford to go with a Mongolian girl. I would very much like to live in one of the luxury penthouse apartments in downtown Beijing, but I do not write letters to the China Daily complaining that Beijing real-estate is too expensive. I live at a place within my budget. Your budget is on the low end, and this thread was created to help you find quality girls within your budget. There is no reason to continue to knock those of us that have a higher budget.

Sammy
Well. let farmers get a farm girl at farm girl prices and pay a fair amount to those who provide quality. In that way you improve competition and eagerness to please.

Global Citizen
11-14-06, 19:32
Along any GuoDao (national roads), you can find restaurants that have girls standing outside waiving drivers down. At first glance, you think they're just trying to flag you down to eat in their establishment but really, they want you to come in and eat, rest, take a bath, then pick one of the girls for a half hour of "relaxation". Cost ? 100RMB plus cost of food.

Another source of ultra cheap FS is along the highways, you'll see girls that look like they're hitchhicking - they're after the truck drivers where they'll get picked up, park off the road a ways down, do the deed, then get out and catch a return truck to their point of origin doing the same thing. Cost ? 50RMB.

The girls are usually from the country side, usually quite fresh to the game and well worth the money.

Andreas Wang
11-15-06, 10:57
Most of the posters that pay 800RMB are paying for MONGOLIAN girls, not farm girls ...That, and probably a couple of other things that figure into the higher prices. Namely convenience. We are talking here about the Maggies / Hard Rock / SanLiTun area girls, right?

1 - The girls marketing there speak enough English to deal with the average non-Chinese speaking laowai, correct?

2 - Getting them from Maggies / Hard Rock / SanLiTun means not having to leave the expat bar scene right? I am talking about the 'scene' here more than about location. I.e. type of bars and type of people one is used to and likes to have around when having a good time.

3 - Though location IS yet another convenience. I am sure any laowai can follow a decent description as how to get from his hotel/office to Hard Rock / Maggies / SunLiTun and vice versa. Most won't even need it as they have been to ChaoYang anyways for a beer. How many on the other hand are keen on following some description of mine saying "well, you know ... it is this one non-descript street heading North from Dongzhimen Station past the bus terminals and then down the road the next non-descript intersection left and then accross the next intersection again between the appliances stores. Have a nice day."

4 - Time. Maggies, Hard Rock, SanLiTun are all very well known and spread by mouth throughout the expat community. Anything else will require research. And thus time. Many of the mongers posting here have a day job I assume. And many of the visitors ... well, they are on a schedule to begin with.

5 - Did I mention the language thing? Oh yes ... I did under 1. Well, can't hurt to repeat. I also like this little fact that language skills pay off also in this profession :D

Now, the bar scene (actually any bar scene) in general is not my cup of tea, but that's a very personal preference. And I am also lucky enough to speak enough Chinese to get myself into troubles (and out again). Thus the above hold little added value for me.

But that's just me.

I can fully understand WHY a non-Chinese speaking expat laowai and even more so why the average short time expat visitor pays the prices mentioned in their posts. It is not just the girl they pay for. It is the convenience when it comes to language, location, time and accessability.

I am glad I also have the other option of going for cheap and let's call it more rustic encounters. But I also pay for this with time, effort and the usual game of hit & miss.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Dash
11-15-06, 18:03
The previous post has some truth.
I was an ingnorant first time visitor, I thought that the price asked for by the girl who grabbed me off the street was reasonable, and being horny shut down my brain's "haggle function". I paid her 800 yuan to go back to the Beijing grand hyatt with me.
Back in the USA, talking to a person from Shanghai who was recently working there in a professional capacity, it seems that 200 yuan is actually considered a good bit of money.
Thanks to others for posting, this is fascinating reading.
I wish I spoke Chinese, what a country!

Fast Eddie 48
11-16-06, 04:13
The previous post has some truth.
I was an ingnorant first time visitor, I thought that the price asked for by the girl who grabbed me off the street was reasonable, and being horny shut down my brain's "haggle function". I paid her 800 yuan to go back to the Beijing grand hyatt with me.
Back in the USA, talking to a person from Shanghai who was recently working there in a professional capacity, it seems that 200 yuan is actually considered a good bit of money.
Thanks to others for posting, this is fascinating reading.
I wish I spoke Chinese, what a country!


to dash

We all learn from our experience ,I also over paid on my first trip to china many yr ago and I am chinese and speak ok mandarin and I still paid as much
as 1000rmb or more at the ktv and sauna in macau or shenzhen for the top
model .

Even that I know bbs girl in shenzhen or changping average 120 rmb for st and place like catacomb start at 30 rmb I will never touch the girl even for free and we all have our standard and budget and everyone is different and I
wish I can go to the top ktv all the time if my budget allow or my I go with my
customer so I can report it as business expense.

fast eddie 48

Night Cat
11-16-06, 21:46
Farm girls can be easily found in Beijing for 200 - 300 RMB. Just look in the area outside the Hard Rock.
While it's true that there were reasonable choices on 3rd Ring a couple years ago, these days the SWs in that area are scarce and unattractive, according to my experience (as well as another monger I PM'ed about this). I went out there a few weeks ago and found one tout and one independent near Kunlun, and one somewhat older woman near Lufthansa who was both tout and provider. I wasn't interested in the girls she showed me, so I took her because she had an OK attitude (and I was determined to not go empty-handed). I think I paid 300 but I forget. None of the above women were attractive. There were no SWs at all in front of Hard Rock, and there were a few more unattractive ones south of Hard Rock. This was around 11 PM on a weeknight.

I'll post more comments about Beijing in the Beijing thread, stay tuned.

This thread makes no sense, for several reasons. First, as we can see, only a tiny fraction of the comments here are actionable (e.g., details of done deals including locations and prices). Second, all the China threads (other than Beijing) are already serving the purpose of helping people get good prices for reasonable quality and service. Third, anyone with sensitivity to Chinese culture can see that the mere title of this thread is in bad taste, and, contrary to popular belief, it matters. Result: this thread winds up just being a grounds for pissing contests and vague generalities, sorry.

Proposal: Get rid of this thread, and start a new thread called "Beijing - Mandarin-speaking Providers". This would be useful because the Beijing thread is dominated by non-Chinese speakers. By having a thread about Mandarin-speaking providers in Beijing (meaning, Chinese providers who don't speak English), we will have a place to help each other explore the lower-cost segment of the market (as we already do in the threads other than Beijing).

Xiangjiao
11-17-06, 08:18
Night Cat,
I support your idea. Someone a while back suggested that we create a new thread for Beijing's KTV/Sauna/MPs, but I rejected that b/c it seemed like that left the Beijing thread purely dedicated to the same old Pig/HRC/Maggies circuit since there isn't much left once you exclude the KTVs, saunas, and MPs (just SWs and freelancers). However, starting a new thread based on the language rationale makes sense. The new thread would be for those who don't need the convenience of English-speaking providers. This wouldn't necessarily restrict it to certain types of venues, though it may work out that way in the end. We'd have to see.

And Sammy_T, I think some of those Mongolian providers come from relatively rural areas, too, and are hence "farm girls" as well.

Alex Rock
11-17-06, 12:37
Actually it was started in response to a new self professed expert who claimed every other monger was paying way too much and he knew better than anyone else how to get cheap sex. He could have tried to dominate this thread, but seems to have dropped off.

I think the Beijing Mandarin speakers thread is a good idea. - Alex

Albert Punter
11-17-06, 13:21
Yes, this thread makes no sense.

I believe that it doesn't make sense to create other sub-threads for Beijing or other destinations either.
Otherwise, we should have sub-threads for English speaking providers, for bars, for saunas, for KTV, etc. .

I believe one thread per location is enough.
All experiences, prices and venues can be reported and discussed.
Don't forget it is also more practical for newbies: reading one thread, you learn everything.

OldAsiaHand
11-17-06, 14:37
Global Citizen :

I would be grateful if you could share specifics on the roads/highways/restaurants where these girls can be found, especially in Guangdong. I do a lot of driving aorund and would like to check out this kind of action. Thanks.

OAH




Along any GuoDao (national roads), you can find restaurants that have girls standing outside waiving drivers down. At first glance, you think they're just trying to flag you down to eat in their establishment but really, they want you to come in and eat, rest, take a bath, then pick one of the girls for a half hour of "relaxation". Cost ? 100RMB plus cost of food.

Another source of ultra cheap FS is along the highways, you'll see girls that look like they're hitchhicking - they're after the truck drivers where they'll get picked up, park off the road a ways down, do the deed, then get out and catch a return truck to their point of origin doing the same thing. Cost ? 50RMB.

The girls are usually from the country side, usually quite fresh to the game and well worth the money.

OldAsiaHand
11-17-06, 14:55
Proposal: Get rid of this thread, and start a new thread called "Beijing - Mandarin-speaking Providers". This would be useful because the Beijing thread is dominated by non-Chinese speakers. By having a thread about Mandarin-speaking providers in Beijing (meaning, Chinese providers who don't speak English), we will have a place to help each other explore the lower-cost segment of the market (as we already do in the threads other than Beijing).

Night Cat,

First of all, I was in Beijing recently and either totally spaced it out or did not realize you were still there. I thought you were in Chongqing for some reason. Too bad we could not hook-up after all these years.

I think a Mandarin speaking providers thread is prejudicial. Everybody, regardless of language ability, should have access to lower cost alternatives.

On the other hand, I also see no use for this thread if the same information is posted on another thread specific to the location. Looking back at my single post on this thread, it did not add value; just a repitition of what I posted on other threads. Having said that, I look for value for money opportunities and am keen to learn more. I have not had much luck in Beijing.

Just my POV.

OAH

Midea
11-17-06, 16:21
I have the money. If the girl makes me happy, and I can improve her life by giving her some money, then I do not understand why you have a problem with it. Sure, you can argue that I am raising the market price, and because of this you cannot afford to go with a Mongolian girl. I would very much like to live in one of the luxury penthouse apartments in downtown Beijing, but I do not write letters to the China Daily complaining that Beijing real-estate is too expensive. I live at a place within my budget. Your budget is on the low end, and this thread was created to help you find quality girls within your budget. There is no reason to continue to knock those of us that have a higher budget.

SammyYou cracked me up. I have been complaining about our super heroes. E. I. Drop my pair of Samsonites at my favorite *****, then aimed at the SPA, choose the petite, splashed a second, shoot two pics, damage 1000RMB.

You are misleading with the Mongolian girls. First they have to pay the cops dozing in parked cars, and then the little pimp (cousin, uncle, . Didi) or they will find themselves with broken bones, locked in a truck stop, you name it.

I have been calling those satisfied cretins ridicule, because of bragging about paying girls 800, 1000, 2000, . What a bunch of showoff. And that makes me a "Poor Little Rat".

I do live in a 175sqm hardwood floor. Pristine apartment. Corian kitchen, 18th floor with a view, video-doorbell, and the 42" flat screen was included. Sorry no bubble bath.

Yes, that's just me, I bargain all the times. I bargain for pussy, but I do not do BBS. I bargain for my cloth; some of you pay 600kuais or more for your Hugo Boss, I pay 120 and mines are real! I do not know about yours.

I went at the MIX last weekend, we were 3 guys, 4 gals. One person paid the entrance fees. I bought 4 bottle of Chivas, for a total of 2000RMB. We were toasted, had a lots of fun, 2 girls followed me back home, one slept in the spare room, the other one with me. I didn't pay anyone. That is what I am talking about.

If you guys prerogative it to call me a "poor little bastard" or a "broke SOB", be it.

Again, you are the one spoiling the bitches and fattening the pimps. Would their be a real brotherhood in here, it would write the prices. I guess y'all never had a class in economy neither.

Albert Punter
11-17-06, 21:14
As you don't like this forum nor majority of its members, please stay away.
Thanks.

Night Cat
11-17-06, 21:18
Night Cat,

First of all, I was in Beijing recently and either totally spaced it out or did not realize you were still there. I thought you were in Chongqing for some reason. Too bad we could not hook-up after all these years.
Yes, I left Beijing a year ago for CQ and stayed a half a year. Now I'm back in BJ for a few months, and may visit (or move to) south China after Jan. 1, so maybe I'll see you down there.

I think a Mandarin speaking providers thread is prejudicial. Everybody, regardless of language ability, should have access to lower cost alternatives.
Yes, and I didn't mean to try to segregate people. The point was to provide two different threads that would separately address two different market segments. A precedent might be the Macau section which has a separate thread for saunas. In Beijing, it seems that the market is (roughly) divided into English-speaking and Mandarin-speaking, and the fact that the latter can be cheaper (but not always!) is kind of a side-effect. There is a high volume of posts on the BJ thread, and having separate threads would be a way to aggregate posts of interest to mongers who are on one side or the other (which I suspect might be most mongers in BJ -- although some of us will play in both markets, but in that case the separate aggregations of info would still be useful, IMO). The reason I single out BJ is because the mongering scene here seems so different from elsewhere in China, that those who are looking for the more typical "Chinese style" options might think they don't exist in BJ, since those posts get lost in the ocean of Pig/Maggies/HRC posts.

The trick is to name the threads in such a way as to reflect the nature of the two market segments while not appearing to segregate or exclude anyone, and the language designation may or may not be the best way to characterize the two market segments in question. Perhaps split the BJ thread into two, by nationality of the providers ("Beijing - Chinese pros", "Beijing - Foreign pros").

Or we could just forget the whole idea. But at a minimum, for reasons stated, I think this thread needs to go.

On another topic:

Global Citizen :

I would be grateful if you could share specifics on the roads/highways/restaurants where these girls can be found, especially in Guangdong. I do a lot of driving aorund and would like to check out this kind of action.
I used to see the "waving restaurant girls" in a suburb 45 min. south of Chengdu called XinJin, on the road leading from town to the highway, around lunchtime on weekdays. The folks I was with never stopped to investigate, so I just stuck my hand out the window and waved back. FWIW, it didn't look like a P4P situation to me, I thought they were just there to promote the restaurant. If there's something more going on, I'd be interesting in hearing about how the deal went down (like who made the first move), what the facilities were on premises, and whether or not it works the same in different restaurants, in order to get some idea if this is a regular business for them, or if GC just found a one-off with a willing girl. Maybe they never thought of this until GC propositioned them, and thus he unwittingly created a whole new mongering method. In any case, details of done deals are needed.

Alex Rock
11-18-06, 12:06
some of you pay 600kuais or more for your Hugo Boss, I pay 120 and mines are real!

I bought 4 bottle of Chivas, for a total of 2000RMB The real value of this thread is for Midea to have a place he can be king.

He pays 500RMB for a bottle of Chivas and and 120 for a Hugo Boss he believes is real! He thinks we didn't know you can pick up girls at Mix by buying them drinks.

Midea, I strongly suggest you go and do your own thing - your bragging is contributing nothing here.

Why don't you study your regression analysis and come back in a couple of years when you understand it.

Intransit
11-18-06, 20:38
Gentlemen,

We do not need a separate thread for Beijing - Mandarin. Since this thread started, traffic on the normal Beijing thread has dropped to a trickle. Let's keep that community together and keep posts grouped by geography unless you find a really great, cheap deal somewhere. You should also feel to double-post or to put a pointer post in another thread.

Sebastian My
11-18-06, 21:47
Gentlemen,

We do not need a separate thread for Beijing - Mandarin. Since this thread started, traffic on the normal Beijing thread has dropped to a trickle. Let's keep that community together and keep posts grouped by geography unless you find a really great, cheap deal somewhere. You should also feel to double-post or to put a pointer post in another thread.

I only noticed this thread today and i tend to feel that it may not be a good idea to break up the community. The Beijing threat has traditionally been rich in information, locations, prices, directions, hints, etc - and low in garbage, which you will find previlent in most other china threads (Just go the shanghai threat as an example, you can go through 20 postings before you actually get something of value).
Because the number of posting are low, i don't think we need to break up the beijing threat into 2 seperate threads. In other locations where you get a lot of low value postings you need to break up into multiple threads, another good example is Bangkok)
I do agree that the beijing thread is very different from DongGuan or Shanghai - but i suspect the reason is more to do with the fact this is the capital of the PRC and the police are much more active in keeping the business under control. After all its only been 3-4 years since the mama-sans started their business in the sheraton parking lot and the SW's were very careful and kept out of sight as much as possible. I am sure you can get the same entertainment in Beijing as you would in Shanghai - but i also suspect there is less of it due to danger, etc.
Saying all that there is two basic classes of mongering in beijing - the pig, maggies style (Note - Hollywood is a local place, where 90% of the men are local PRC citizens - laowai's are not that common - so i would class this as a local place) and the normal KTV, sanua's, BBS, etc. I don't think you can break it up based on launguage - but you could divided it up based on service - a sauna or ktv thread perhaps.
But in summary i would suggest closing this thread down and going back to a single thread - and asking the guys to provide more postings on low cost alternatives or different alternatives. (I heard that one of the local sauna's now offers the scrotium electric treatment i heard about in shanghai, if i find it i will let you all know about it.)

Lao Ma
11-19-06, 14:28
Midea:

please leave the american phrases like "ya'll" to american's - you sound funny trying to talk like that. Besides, you wear Hugo Boss clothes and London Fog overcoats, so you are obviously a player. Talk like the sophisticated, sauve, love stud you so obviously want us here to believe you are.

Definition of shallow: one who brags about the clothes he/she wears, and the liquor he/she buys.

Juno Audio
11-19-06, 16:43
Is it just me or do you guys see it too.....All the idiots in the China thread write English almost the same way and style, are they all just one person? or they think alike?

Moody
11-19-06, 20:03
I've finally figured out Midea's problem.

He doesn't understand the posts!!!

Look at his comebacks in his most recent posts...

He doesn't understand that Alex Rock is saying he's an idiot for paying 120RMB for some fake Boss crap.

For some reason, Midea seems to think "I strongly suggest..." means insecurity.

For some reason, he thinks "regression analysis" is a psychological term. What exactly is a "Dollar Tree psychology seance" anyway??? Anybody know??? Is it something made from a "Fifi?"

Finally, Midea seems to think buying someone a drink at Mix has something to do with the economy, and today's economy at that.

Hey Alex, don't buy too many drinks for the ladies at Mix... you might just ruin the Chinese economy... ;)

Sometimes, when I respond to newbies, it's tough to be witty and funny all the time, but I have to admit, with Midea, it's just too easy. It's almost like whacking baby turtles with a hammer, no challenge.... and to make my point. I'll make one last comment.

Midea, I really hate to pick on you for being clueless, but here we go again....

Nobody in the world brags about getting a deal on Chivas Regal!!!

BTW, at 500RMB a bottle, that's not even a good deal. Furthermore, who pays 1000RMB for Chivas Regal??? Even at the best KTVs, it only sells for about 700-800, and when you buy 2, you get one for free. When you start drinking Royal Salute or Johnnie Walker Blue and start buying those for 500RMB, then come talk to us... But please, save yourself further embarrassment and don't brag about buying Chivas Regal at a mediocre price.


BTW, if Midea keeps posting in this thread, I will bite into him like a pitbull on a poodle....

Intransit
11-20-06, 00:47
My guess is that Midea is reading and/or writing via some kind of translation software. That's why certain parts of his posts are spot on, and others are way off.

Dragon D
11-20-06, 03:26
Hmm.. this seems to be the China fight club that never started but is on other threads.. interesting perspectives and views from many members.. being the Shanghai pimp and having a personal stable with about 20 girls and I can get booze wholesale so what? We all have our personal favorite hangouts and are willing to pay various amounts for what we belive to be a good deal. So if someone thinks his Boss shirt is real ( which it well may be because I have found from time to time out the backdoor stuff ) and 500 for Chivas which isn't a cheap but not a rip off who cares... I think it is the attitude that matters.. I have been shot down a million times on the forum but so what.. we are here to help each other out and provide good info for nothing which is what most people want.. or in my case a paid service A-Z with good food and lots of sex.. to each his own.. lets all play nice and just keep counting the beavers that we have shot.. ;)

Sebastian My
11-20-06, 08:34
I suppose i better put a post hear which provide some guidelines for folks looking for cheap sex. I must admit this is not my bag, but i went exploring last night and found 1 or 2 women who were offering themselves for RM150 for FS, i assume ST - but their english and mandarin was so bad i could not work it out. You can find them on Ping An DaJie, between Sanlitune Jie and East 3rd ring road - close to the syrian restaurant on the north side of Ping An DaJie - however their location will vary based on police action. I spoke to them at 9pm.
I have to admit they were nothing to write home about, about late 30's, thin - in fact a bit too thin, i suspect they may have been alcoholics or worst yet, suffering from aids. I can't say i would reccommend them to anyone, but for those who are keen on getting a low cost experience, this may be the bag - but for gods sake wear a condom. In the end i gave the one i spoke to RM50 and told her to get some food, my good deed for the day i suppose. They whole thing depressed me so much i had an early night.

Moody
11-20-06, 16:01
My guess is that Midea is reading and/or writing via some kind of translation software. That's why certain parts of his posts are spot on, and others are way off.

I would like to know what language the phrase "melon for a condom" is translated from. I'm curious what language would actually use a phrase like that for an insult.... That, and of course, I'm still curious what a "Fifi" is.

Actually, I'm gonna lay off of Midea for a while. Some guy named "Stray Cat" in the Chengdu thread has my attention now....

Juno Audio
11-20-06, 17:56
The image of Rodney King appearing on TV saying "Can't we just get along?" sometimes comes to my mind as I read some of these posts (not only in this particular thread btw)......Oh well....

Santa
11-21-06, 16:02
Will this become another useless thread? :(

Benchseats Rock
11-21-06, 18:08
howdy cowboy. you ain't funny scoring a fat mongol for 800kuais yourself. feeling a bit uncomfortable being fairway from home, having to pucj your elbows amongst foreigners. how to call someone speaking three languages? a trilingual. and how do we call someone else speaking 2 languages? a bilingual. how about the one speaking one language? an american.come one party pooper, cheer up! thanksgiving in at the end of the line.

"the american phrases like ya'll. " a false statement on its own. that again. hehehe. americn thus.

is "ya'll" really a phrase, or a sentence?

y'all is most certainly an american phrase. most often it is found in the southern regions of the country where the language gets mangled as far as it's pronunciation, sort of similar to what you do to it in translation.

benchseats rock

Tequila Kid
11-21-06, 18:57
Will this become another useless thread? :(

Yes, the thread is useless.
With so many freebie & P4P opportunities, enough to meet everyoneís needs and budgets, all well documented in the various china boards, I'm not sure the thread makes much sense.

TK

K Zero
11-21-06, 20:06
Yes, I agree this thread is useless as well, but it gives the dog some place to bark at.

I wish this works like IRC or WoW, the "/ignore" command.

Alex Rock
11-21-06, 22:43
He likes bragging and rambling incoherently like a young inexperienced kid.

His responses are immature and completely unrelated to the posters comments, and his language is rambling and confused. His use of words is immature and understanding of concepts is lacking.

He's secure in the anonimity and seems to enjoy berating people who have contributed to the exchanges and dialogue in these threads. I'd bet he'd be humble or hide in a corner if he was around people who could see him.

He has added no value whatsoever. No posts of interest, no information on where to go for freebies or P4P, no tips. All he does is brag and berate people.

I feel sorry for the kid - he's confused and mixed up. There's no point in responding to him unless he offers anything of interest or value.

KZero you can add Midea to your "Ignore List"

see the section from the Forum Announcements http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/


: [Using Ignore Lists (02-08-06)
I just finished responding to more than 100 reported posts, a task that in itself will give anyone a headache, but this particular batch struck me has having an unusually high number of complaints that essentially amounted to one member not liking another member's writing style or report content, which leads me to offer this general suggestion:

If you don't like another Forum Member's reports, then simply add them to your "Ignore List" and you'll never see their reports again.

You can access your personal "Ignore List" under your User CP. Just login, select "User CP" from the top menu bar, then select "Buddy / Ignore Lists" from the left side column. ]

Lao Ma
11-23-06, 11:22
I think this Midea turd is the same guy who has cycled through here on several ocassions in the past. He always gets frustrated because no one here likes him, mirroring his life in general, and then he lashes out at the actual contributing members. Then he will go away and come back with another name in a few months.

Midea, keep on trying, brother. Keep studying the english, keep reading our business books. Some day, if you are lucky, you can work in a western fast food restaurant as a shift manager. Sorry you have no real friends; must be tough being you.

Midea
11-23-06, 15:32
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Member #4515
11-23-06, 16:12
I post this girl just few days ago. And I don't know why this so called Media
post again and use hie name? What is this? Do I have to post some more of this one?

Moody
11-23-06, 18:42
I post this girl just few days ago. And I don't know why this so called Media
post again and use hie name? What is this? Do I have to post some more of this one?

Because in addition to being a world class moron, Midea is also a thief.

Juno Audio
11-23-06, 18:42
I think maybe it is time for Jackson to lock up Long CU....ah...I meant Midea again.

Member #4515
11-24-06, 04:25
This is a a NICE girl!

Great body, face OK, however too much whitening makeup, and she must shave, and pls stop setting your bare ass on the chair!

Humm, wondering how much she cost.Mr. Media:

Do you want her phone number? If you want it, its ok.

Xiangjiao
11-24-06, 05:34
Let's all just ignore this incoherent joker. Every time people respond to him, they just add wood to the fire.

Everybody add him to your ignore list. Haha. He'll be the first one on mine.

Blacklisted
11-24-06, 05:59
Let's all just ignore this incoherent joker. Every time people respond to him, they just add wood to the fire.

Everybody add him to your ignore list. Haha. He'll be the first one on mine.


For some reason though, I do have a kind of sick fascination for the fuck-witted comments from such imbeciles as Midea, Dashing Don, Bareback Bill and the rest of the hordes of idiots this site attracts that are not here for any reason other than to act like the annoying prats that they are.

It's also kind of like watching a train wreckage, you want to look away, but you can't.

Yet, ignoring them is key, as other distinguished members point out, they just keep coming back with a new handle.

What interesting lives they must lead... Boggles the mind!

Albert Punter
11-24-06, 13:21
However, post in the Photo Gallery.

Thanks !




I post this girl just few days ago.
.....
Do I have to post some more of this one?

Sir Henry
11-24-06, 19:39
Hello,, Guys,

Can anyone explain me a little bit about general phrases for sex in China. And what it means when someone writes. BBBJ, AR, etc.

Thanks from an Neebee.

LittleGoomba
11-24-06, 22:59
I actually would encourage the Mighty Midiot to keep sharing. This last post was his worst yet, grammar wise. I enjoy deciphering his bad chinglish or whatever bastardized pidgen he's writing.


Who's lucky bastard is going to shave the spread eagle?

Pls keep the clean nice girls in this thread, and post the yucky one somewhere else.

This thread is reserved for nice Chinese Ladies.

Not chunky, camel sink, 10,000 miles, over heated in here.

Lao Ma
11-25-06, 03:05
Midea = Long CU.

Of course they are the same person ! Now I understand

OldAsiaHand
11-25-06, 04:38
Midea = Long CU.

Of course they are the same person ! Now I understand

I wanted to compare the writing style but noticed his thread is gone now. If Midea = LongCU, I want to know how many taxi drivers ended up doing his Shenyang girlfriend and if he bought her a house yet. He never updated us before he went away. Buying a house is certainly a way to get cheap sex. It takes a lot of 800 RMB pops to add up to one house.

OAH

Lao Ma
11-25-06, 04:43
OAH, not sure, but he at least captures the essence of Long CU. Or stench...

Midea, if you are Long CU, hao jiu bu jian. By the way, what's a camel sink ?

Prince Leo
11-25-06, 07:13
is midea really long cu? feel free to make some comparison with the follwing?

quote:
originally posted by long cu
first, my english writing is exceptionally perfect in grammar and punctuation, as well as in sentence structure. you guys who posted about my english are just a bunch of ignorant idiots who have shallow knowledge about things and even yourselves.
you guys also do not know anything about history at all. the saying that white has good english skills while others don't is absolutely stinky. ask a russian man to teach you how to say "fuck your mother" in english? he would rather hit you in your face because he can not understand you, and being white russian, he will give you hard time because you dare to speak english(only you know it is your broken english anyway) to a white man like him.
for all you who don't know but still argue with me, english is a language of england, with root from latin and german, it is not the fucking mumblings you are producing every moment.

originally posted by long cu
i have said what i need to say already. so now i am leaving for something cooler, like yahoo chat.
as you all know i am current living in usa, and working for the county. consequently, my position is much better than that of most big mouth guys who kept arguing with me, i know you have all been residing in china.
decmocracy and freedom of speech is the basic right for me to say what i think about what others gossip about me. other than that, any guy wants to meet here in us, la or brooklyn, ny, at a street corner, i will welcome you at my best. the one who threw a threat to me, please be careful about your future mongering in china. that is my dearest advice for you

originally posted by long cu
just i just want fuck your ass, that is the best thing now.
i think you daily do not eat food, but you must eat something else close to waste. confirm it. i will ask jason to kick you out due to your nonsense personal attacks towards me. what is the reason you ask him to kick me out?
just because you are prince? and you think your english is better? hahahah!
you keep imagining something from here to there. it is obvious to me that you are mentally ill guy. how tall are you? and how old are you?
saying that i am immature helps you to be more mature, right? oh, come on, do that to your dad better, he has some money for you, at least.
"your english writing is actually quite poor" proves your english is rich? ??? oh, so dizzy with the scholar cute guy.
see leo, you are not a us person, so your fate completely shuts your mouth up.
trying to kiss ass of a caucasian will never change the color of your passport

K Zero
11-25-06, 07:15
Alex Rock,

Thanks, guess I need to RTFF myself. Mainly, I never have to go to such measures before, but there is a first time for everything, right?

Leo, you kept them personal huh? :P

Alex Rock
11-26-06, 08:50
"Melon for a condom" was supposed to be "Condom for a Brain", as I was multitasking I regrouped two soughs into one sentence. I am keyboard dyslectics, it should have been "Camel skin"Midea, you admit you have ADD - you can ask your mother to take you to see a doctor and get a drug Ritalin to help you.

4 Suggestions for you.

1. Stop insulting everyone - from guys on these threads, to people who work as expats, to people who work in 7/11, to people who work on building sites, to people who have low incomes - and stop trying to prove something - it makes you look immature and like you have some serious self confidence issues, an inferiority complex and chips on your shoulder.
2. Only write when you have something of value and interest to people. Anyone can criticise someone else and boast they can do better without doing anything. See if you can provide some detailed experiences and insights instead of always attacking others. You have no credibility, since you've written nothing of interest or value. Look at reports of distinction and see if you can write as well as those guys.
3. Try very hard to do one thing at a time and write in short sentences.
4. Think before you write - get your "soughs" together. You appear to put words together that don't mean anything. Your writing age is about that of an 8 year old, but if you work hard you will be able to improve.

If you are under 18, as you seem, do your parents know you are frequenting this site?

Midea
11-26-06, 11:24
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Silly Puppy
11-26-06, 19:39
It's a sad and familiar scene in ISG; a small dog got bitten badly by many big dogs. It continues fighting, however, to his stupid and unavoidable death. The big dogs are merciless in delivering their vicious bites. Also.. couple puppies jump in and make the mess getting nastier and uglier. They smell... stinky blood! My silly puppy's 2-cents.

Silly Puppy
11-26-06, 19:43
Here it is ...

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1897

Alex Rock
11-26-06, 19:52
Don't you wish guys would post interesting posts instead of trying to brag or put people down?

Alex Rock
11-26-06, 19:57
I have never menaced, insulted anyone here

"Melon for a condom" was supposed to be "Condom for a Brain", as I was multitasking I regrouped two soughs into one sentence. I am keyboard dyslectics, it should have been "Camel skin"
Come on ! Are you trying to tell us "Melon for a condom" was supposed to be "Condom for a Brain" , but you really meant "Camel skin" and you did not mean it as an insult? Why don't you try writing a decent report?

Moody
11-26-06, 20:03
I have never menaced, insulted anyone here, menaced, provoked [the mod will attest that to the least...], neither warned, nor dared one single member.

My oh my what a short memory you have. I'll help you this one time; from the Beijing thread:


You will fit right into Moody, Alex the Rock, Intransit's losers league.

If that's not an insult, I'm curious what you would consider to be insults. Furthermore, need I again mention the "melon for a condom" thing again??


Contrarily to you and many others, you have been insulting me, my education, origins, and feeling out of ammunition you have to bring out my family into it. How lame it that.

Dude, you started it by calling everyone else an idiot and posting that we don't know anything about China and that we overpay for everything. Which is NOT the case.


All of this under the pretext that I embarrassed you, and many others, for paying ugly hookers 800RMB to 2000USD.

Again, nobody is embarrassed, and why should they be?? If someone can afford a $2000USD girl, then he should show off. That's almost better than saying I can afford a $2 million house.


It doesn't matter how long you think you have been in China, you still don't know anything about the beauty and sweetness of Chinese women.

It seems you've been here a long time, and you still don't know that girls come in all flavors, sizes and yes, prices.... You've got a one track mind, and you're stuck on that track.


I told you once and here again, I do not need your guidances or else in mater of what to post, when, and where.

What you do need guidance though, is in manners. You are one of the most ill mannered and rudest people I have met on the entire internet. You presume to know more than anyone else here. You repeatedly tell people things they already know. You have posted NO interesting information. You have only berated the other members at each and every opportunity. Finally, you talk like a fool and that offends me more than anything else.


Suggestions ??? How pretentious of you to suggest anything, when having actually for reputation to pay a fat old hooker 800RMB for a hand job?

You really are a fool. Show me where Alex posted he paid 800RMB for a handjob??? You can't cuz he never did!!!!

Alex Rock
12-06-06, 18:06
"Melon for a condom" was supposed to be "Condom for a Brain", as I was multitasking I regrouped two soughs into one sentenceStill waiting for you to stop attacking people, berating people in mixed up words and grammar native English speakers can't understand. Is it because you multitask and can't group your "soughs" properly.

Why don't you try to "single task", THINK clearly and write a report of interest about CHEAP SEX IN CHINA?

Hints:
1. Describe the place you chose to go for CHEAP SEX and what you were thinking before you went there. (single task - otherwise people won't understand if you jumble more than one "sough")
2. Describe the place and surroundings where you sought CHEAP SEX
3. Describe the process of selection and prices of your CHEAP GIRLS
4. Describe your experience and anything of particular interest besides cheap price to other mongers
5. Rate the girl (s) service, cheapness and premises.

To be rated higher, you could try to compare and contrast other cheap experiences with the one you are reporting about.

See if you can do it!

Jbecker
12-07-06, 07:28
This shows the type of individual this guy isÖ A true camper, with an irreproachable integrity. ďA reminder of the white house's foreign policyĒ

This after is INTRANSITís response on my first post.

Thank you Jackson for making feel welcome within the first day.

Job well done! The rest is plain local history. I can't wait to pay my dues.What is your educational background?

How old are you?

Just curious :)

Cheers,

jb

Cockburn
12-07-06, 12:03
Still waiting for you to stop attacking people, berating people in mixed up words and grammar native English speakers can't understand. Is it because you multitask and can't group your "soughs" properly.

To be rated higher, you could try to compare and contrast other cheap experiences with the one you are reporting about.

See if you can do it!Midi,

Yes, I do not have much to contribute because I am a newbie in China. But at least I know how to respect all the other members as they had posted information that had helped me to get my pussies when I was in China. I am even more thankful to those member who had taken their time to bring me around during my trips. I know the golden rules "Respect others before others will respect you". It is just a growing process which you will have to accept.

On the reports; I advice you to read this one:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=514373&postcount=7063

CB

Alex Rock
12-07-06, 18:27
That is a great reference from Ace Gallant!

Alex Rock
12-07-06, 18:32
The reference Cockburn posted is a very good guideline.

Maybe if you try to start out by planning to write something to HELP new guys to find good places for girls, it will help you write better.

SE Asia Joe
12-08-06, 04:29
I quote Midea's posting on the Guangzhou thread yesterday


There is a good chance that GD hotel and others 4-5 starts will help you pass your fake bills. Be upfront with the clerk, or the front desk. Onsite Filipino workers standing in Toilets will take care of your bill for a small fee. They have accommodated me more than once.

China Bank has also accepted my fake bills, but you will have to talk directly to one of the floor manager, behind the counter workers have for tendency to be reluctant in helping anyone with anything. I have been paying hoockers with fake bills. Enjoy the trade!

What a difference! What gives??
By the way - I hope he gets caught for trying to pass off fake notes! Hate these guys!
SE Asia Joe

Alex Rock
12-08-06, 14:53
We pay girls for sex and we share info with each other about it. That's what this forum is about.

Midea seems to be into more than slandering us and poor people.

Midea, if you read this, please stop cheating poor working girls by paying them fake bills.

SE Asia Joe. One day he'll get caught or run into trouble but you can bet he won't brag about it.

Phil1980
12-12-06, 17:29
You know what I hate the most, are those fake puritans acting like innocents. When actually we eat at the same tables and pump the same racks.


Well, at least I can agree with this statement.

Regarding fake bills, just get your money at the bank counter. I can't believe that in the "Bank of China" they will pass you fake bills over the counter, never experienced that so far.

Leotak
12-12-06, 17:34
To Midea,

I don't know, you seems not to be a poor guy (financially) that you have to find a way to survive every day. Doesn't seems that you must do this in order to get your daily bread. However, every reader on this webside knows what we do and there is a certain code of conduct, regardless if there is a rich expat with a big package or a backpacker student traveling and mongering the region.

Whatever you think your action will be justified, or only that other might distribute fake money as well- I don't think that's something right you do. Sometimes, you can feel what is right or what is wrong. And in your case, it is wrong. I don't care of you will critize me like the other, what count is that you will later get what you will deserve. By your own action and your Karma.Whatever you will do, it will come back to you. Keep your karma clean and you'll be fine. Just do the right thing.

Leo

Asd Qwert
12-12-06, 18:22
After dealing with the lovely ladys and paying them, several will take a long tome to look at the cash. I assumed that they are looking for fake bills. I always get cash from ATMs so I assume they are ligit. How can you tell if the money you get as change is real? Is it obvious?

Juno Audio
12-12-06, 18:22
I am really surprised you guys are still playing with that idiot. He doesn't have any good information to give, no respect for people.....if you keep on feeding him, he'll keep coming back with dumb remarks. Please don't feed him any more, so Long CU can just go away.

Santa
12-12-06, 19:15
And the useless shit continues! Blah, blah, blah. :(

Santa
12-13-06, 09:31
Hey Media, I got another great idea. Let's take some of that fake money you got and buy a few guns, then we can go rob the Bank of China. Hell, me 'n you will have so much money, we'll have more chinese pussy than Kentucky's got chickens. Wont that be finger lickin' good! :D

The rest of these here morons think we're stupid. Hell, we'll show them. Those useless cocksuckers call them selfs mongerers, shit, they couldn't find a friggin' *****house if it were located on Main Street.

Hey Jackson, you in on this one? We'll let you drive the getaway car. Me and Midiot, I mean Media, we'll buy y'all some tight chinese poontang for Christmas. :D

Petemcc
12-15-06, 01:29
I haven't been here for a number of days, you know the pressure of creating fake plastic notes in Australia and all that, and I loved Jackson's comment, but it probably went over Midwanker's head.
Guys, I know I have been on the receiving end of a fair bit of stick, but WTF are you doing even playing along with this idiot? I'm not a shrink, or a linguist, but I know this guy has some serious problems, his software translated English being the least of it. I know we shouldn't flame, but until the guy posts something that makes some sense, ignore him. My 21 year old pseudo daughter in China, who you all know about, writes more sensible stuff than this guy does. I think it's time he wised up, or grew up. Again, sorry for the 'flame', but I thought it was justified.

Pete

Alex Rock
12-15-06, 02:09
Hi, haven't seen your posts for a while.

Someone sent me an email from a Blackberry while he was driving. It was incoherent and jumbled, but at least It had some basic logic. Maybe the idiot compounds his jumbled thinking by readin and writing while he's on MSN, his mobile and watching TV at the same time. I agree we are better off ignoring him. He gives no positive value.

Santa
12-15-06, 10:44
I agree we are better off ignoring him. He gives no positive value.

What the hell you mean "no value"? :confused:

When me, Midea and Jackson get together, were gonna get more poontang than you yahoos got bedbugs!

Ain't that right old buddy! :D

Alex Rock
12-15-06, 18:14
Sorry, I didn't realise this was a cheap poontang forum and I didn't realise you are challenging Midea for the China cheap poontang expert title.

Q1: Where would you go for the best poontang holiday ?

One of my close buddies went to Manila for a 2 month break before he went to study Chinese in Taiwan. I went to see him after 4 months, he delayed his CHinese studies and was living in Ermita, in heaven:- there was NO WAY THAT GUY WOULD EVER LEAVE MANILA!!!. He's not making much money but he doesn't care. He says he's in paradise.

Curious though,

Q2: What are the 3 best things that you've gained from Midea? Dyslexia, ADD, picking up daughters of impoverished peasant mothers, passing fake bills, dissing serious mongers, chip on shoulder, envy of guys with expense accounts ? This seems to be a new arena for you!

Ontario Boy
12-16-06, 23:17
Enough already !!!!! Let's confine Midea to the primordial depth from which it oozed. It is the type of personality that thrives on attention so if we completely ignore it maybe it will die and go away.

Hopefully some triad member or snakehead will do Midea in for giving false money to one of his girls


To Midea if you are reading this put the following in your nifty English translator: " SCAM, GET LOST, DROP DEAD, GET A LIFE, "

Petemcc
12-17-06, 00:26
Who the fuck is Midea?

Prince Leo
12-17-06, 03:49
Who the fuck is Midea?

I thought it was Midiot.

Alferd Packer
12-18-06, 16:15
I was in Huaihua, western Hunan province, stuck for a night between trains. I found a cheap room, 30RMB, then the lady asks me if I want a girl, only 60RMB she says. OK, I'll take a look, shit that's cheap. Do I want 20 or 30 year old? 20 please. Some time later she comes back with a girl, kinda cute face, looks closer to 30 though, slightly chunky. At this price, I felt less inclined to be picky, so I said ok. Actually, she was probably the ugliest chick I've ever fucked, but that's not saying much as I'm extremely picky. I'm still curious what I would have got if I had asked for another. Anyway, she had a nice attitude, I just stuck it in and got off, without taking the normal slow pleasure I do with most girls I fuck that turn me on. She didn't turn me on in the least, which was a first for me, but still it wasn't too bad. I was just thinking, wow, this is the cheapest pussy I've ever fucked.

Alferd Packer

Midea
12-18-06, 20:45
EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted in accordance with the ISG Forum's Zero Tolerance policy regarding reports containing any personal attacks or derogatory comments directed towards another forum member.

Please be advised that Forum Members who succeed in having three or more of their reports deleted for personal attacks against other forum members will be banned under the Forum's Serial Antagonist Policy.

2 down, only 1 to go

Will somebody please report this guy's next personal attack to me via the "Report this Post to a Moderator" link, and be sure to note that it will be his 3rd violation.

Thanks,

Jackson

Silly Puppy
12-18-06, 22:07
Old chicks are cheap. If they are ugly they are even cheaper. I've never fucked any Chinese gals that cheap. The cheapest I had was a 25 yo girl who cost me 100RMB. But I had one 40 y/o Vietnamese woman for $3. I felt so guity that I tipped her another $3 and she refused! What the fuck!

Bnlee2
12-19-06, 03:25
Old chicks are cheap. If they are ugly they are even cheaper. I've never fucked any Chinese gals that cheap. The cheapest I had was a 25 yo girl who cost me 100RMB. But I had one 40 y/o Vietnamese woman for $3. I felt so guity that I tipped her another $3 and she refused! What the fuck!

Silly Pup

im glad that you are a charitable man. charity is good. for me, im just plain cheap....meat is meat... some you need to chew on a little more and longer just as long as it satifies your hunger... just my 2RMB for today.

peace

Prince Leo
12-19-06, 04:04
When I was in Yunnan about a year or so ago, a friend of my associate, Mr.A brought my associate and I to a brothel in the country side where the price was 40rmb ST and 80rmb LT for locals. But because my associate and I walked into the shop first while Mr.A was making a call in his car, we were quoted 80rmb and 160rmb. But because Mr.A is a regular, we got the local price. Even at 80 and 160, that is still a damn cheap. The shop has about 12 girls, range from 5-7.5. We both did a "double fly". The service was good but nothing special. No pics, no lesbian action, cbj, and no kissing. But for the price, I did not, and will not, complain. I have no idea how to get there, since I don't know my way around and was it was dark as hell. I would not have gone with them if I did not know my associate well. It was fun and somewhat adventurous.

Alferd Packer
12-20-06, 16:19
I was checking out Changchun last year, went into a massage place with one cute young girl alone inside, she took me upstairs, and told me I could fuck her for 120RMB. She was 18 friendly but shy, and had big firm breasts with inverted nipples I tried to suck out. I had a very nice fuck. After searching unsuccessfully through Changchun and Haerbin for more experiences like this, I went back to fuck this 18 year old again. This time the boss was there and the price was now 300. Seems I traumatized her with my big cock, as she didn't want to fuck me and neither did her friends, who were much hotter. I was very disappointed as that was definitely the best deal I've had, she was one of the best looking girls I've found and one of the cheapest.

Admin
12-21-06, 19:13
Greetings everyone,

In recognition of his many great contributions to the Forum, I have given Midea his own thread titled "Midea in China".

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2576

Those of you who wish to join him in the discussions in his new thread are welcome to do so.

Thanks,

Jackson

Azn Playa
12-22-06, 06:44
After dealing with the lovely ladys and paying them, several will take a long tome to look at the cash. I assumed that they are looking for fake bills. I always get cash from ATMs so I assume they are ligit. How can you tell if the money you get as change is real? Is it obvious?

There are several ways to check if a note is real. The safest way is to use a blue light (attach a tiny one to your keyring) and shine it over the face. A hidden '100' (or whatever denomination) will appear. This even works with new 1RMB notes! Also tiny random hairs through the note will glow.

If you cant get one of these blue lights then here are some other methods:

* the raised metallic green '100' will change colour when you move the bill by changing the angle of the face as you are looking at it (some store cashiers used to use this method)
* run your fingernail down Mao's shirt and you will feel the raised lines printed on the note
* hold the bill up to the light. the semicircular shapes on either side will align. a watermark of Mao will also appear (the fakes have the watermark printed on the surface)
* if you are a pro, you can tell just by the feel of the paper or the 'snap' the note makes when you pull on the sides quickly.

There are even more checks, but if your bill passes several or all of these mentioned above then I guarantee its real. Especially with the blue light test!

Andreas Wang
02-01-07, 03:22
Here my report about barbershops in Beijing (price range about 150-200 RMB)

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Phil1980
06-07-07, 22:31
Thanks to Jackson for adding this section.

If you are in China

1) Prostitution is primarily in Southern China.
2) In Southern China 150RMB is a normal price. If you pay more than 300 you have been cheated in a major way.
3) If somebody quotes you a higher price just say "yi bai", "yi bai er" (100, 120) a few times, then they will go down in price, if they don't go down in price, go down the street to the next place.

Tile Man4
06-10-07, 07:40
Thanks to Jackson for adding this section.

If you are in China

1) Prostitution is primarily in Southern China.

2) In Southern China 150RMB is a normal price. If you pay more than 300 you have been cheated in a major way.

3) If somebody quotes you a higher price just say "yi bai", "yi bai er" (100, 120) a few times, then they will go down in price, if they don't go down in price, go down the street to the next place.Yes, the sex is cheap in Southern China. I spent 4 months in China in 2006. On my way through customs at Guangzhou, I decided to get sick. I got an 11 day extension on my flight to New York. I did not want to go to the Big City Guangzhou. I told one woman at the airport that I wanted to stay in a little farmer town close to airport.

She sent me to Town Baiyun, a district of Guangzhou. It was about a 5 to 10 minute taxi ride from airport. I got fucked in my first 5 minutes by taxi man. He said 200 rmb. I said, this may have been a bad idea. But, I never give up. I paid him, I did not want to walk.

I stayed at the Laili hotel (tel 86458888) 150 rmb. I walked the little town all day and I did not see one white or black guy. I said, great no competition and no high prices.competition is OK, but I don't like high prices.

Before I go on, I must say that all WG want money, but I also learned that WG and non WG all want trophy sex. They all want to say and tell their friends that they had sex with a western man. I call this trophy sex. They all think a guy with a big nose like mine also has a big dick. I don't. I don't always hit bottom but I can still tear the walls down.

That night I went to the KTV at the Airport hotel in this town Baiyun they brought in four girls, I picked one. The other 3 started to walk out. I said where are you 3 going? I told all the girls they were beautiful and I did not want the other 3 to lose face. They all said, shit a white man that understands losing face.

The boss came in the room and told me if I wanted all 4 girls to go back to my room, I must pay all 4 OR just tip them at the end of the night if I did not want them. I wanted to tell the asshole, I know the system, but I smiled at him and said OK. He thought he was gonna hit a grand slam home run that night. I play baseball better than him.

Remember this newbies, a Chinese man would prefer to cut his balls off and a woman her tits off rather than to lose face.

After 1. 5 hour at the KTV, I asked a question. Do you ever get western men here? They all said, almost never. OK, I am thinking now, I will try for the grand slam home rum.

After 30 more minutes, I said that I was tired and I will go back to my hotel alone. I gave them all a 100 rmb tip each and told them all to go make some real money tonight. They all sat there with their mouth open. I gave all 4 my hotel card and I did promise to meet with them alone sometime within the next 10 days.

Total cost 400 rmb for KTV room and 400 rmb for the 4 girls (100usd). I am a gambler. I have lost a lot more than a $100 at the slot machines here in USA. But, I only walked out of this place with my dick in my hand. Maybe some of the pros's on this site will really think that I am an real asshole now.

On my way out, I did chat with with about 20 more women in the front bar area. My Chinese is bad, so it was just a quick Hello,, and a smile. The bartender was hot, so I gave her a tip of 20 rmb and xiexie (thank you) for the yindao (pussy). I said in Chinese, Oh sorry, I meant Tsingtao (beer). Tsingtao (beer) and Yindao (pussy) almost sound alike.

The entire place were laughing there ass off. I found out early in life that the fastest way to a woman's pussy is make her laugh. Chinese women are no different. They love to laugh. I left to my hotel.

I knew one would show up at my room around 2 am. At 1:30 my doorbell rings. Shit, its all 4. You need to be very careful what you wish for because you just may get it. Now, I am in trouble, I know I can't fuck 4 women in on night. If I pop after the first one, I am done. So, I take a blue pill.

After some TV and snacks and drink. I took the best looking one to the shower. She was an 8 short and thin. I don't speak much Chinese but I can talk sex talk in Chinese. I could not do her in the shower. She was too short.

I told her not to worry about my O, that I only wanted to give her one or two O's. She was in shock. Chinese women are taught to only worry about a man's O. We fucked on the floor using towels. She had her 3 O, s. I don't think she faked them. I watched her mouth open with pleasure. I did not pop, I knew that I had 3 more to go.

The blue pill works different on all men. I can get hard and soft for 6 hours if I don't pop. We came out of bathroom. The other 3 are watching cartoons. I say, shit I have 4 little girls here. They were all from 19 to 21. I still like the 35 to 45 year old, but they don't work in ktv. The 37 year old will come another day. That was the bartender. That was the best beer joke and 20 rmb I ever spent. You will here about her later in another post.

I did number 2 on the vanity in the bathroom. She use my dick to masturbate her clit. After her first O, I did go inside her. She had another O. She remind me of my ex wife. This was the only way she could have O. I only had sex with this woman for 7 or 8 minutes, but we stayed in bathroom for 15 more minutes while she cry and thank me for her O. She told me that all of her customers will not do this for her. This woman's face was a 5 and her body was a 9. I did see her 3 more times before I left Baiyun. FREE

The other two women were in bed and I was getting tired. I took another 1/2 blue pill. I told the first two that they can go home. They said no. I played around with the last two in bed. I saw that they wanted to play together with me. They all made me were a condom. The first two were watching cartoons again on TV. All of sudden, number 3 jumped on top of me and number 4 massaged and kiss my balls. This brought me over the top. I came. I told number 4 that we will meet again. We did the next afternoon. Alone.

I did extend my stay in Baiyun for 11 more days. I never did step foot in the Airport hotel again. Saving 400 rmb for ktv room. My hotel phone was always ringing for 21 days. I was with about 32 women. 10 were free (trophy sex). Average cost 130 rmb each.

Any of you guys that fly to Guangzhou, I recommend a stay in this little farm town. I like the small towns. Its was the best 21 days in China. If you need any information about this town, please ask. Everyone in this. Town, Laili hotel, Airport hotel knew of me. I am sure that I could of had many more. Free or cheap. It took me 4 trips to China to learn the ropes. Yes, many times before I did pay too much. Don't be stupid like so many do.

Have a save trip. Tile Man

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Phil1980
06-14-07, 00:32
Does anybody know why KTVs are so expensive in China? Is it because they have to pay massive amounts to the police or mafia in bribes? They charge you at least 800 or so, normal price is probably 1300 for an evening, for what? A couple of beers, some crackers, a girl to talk to for a couple of hours? And the girl only gets 100-200 if she doesn't go with you at the end of the evening.

Even when I was together with a Chinese local guy in a cheap city, just some beers, a girl, some crackers and bingdu, at the end 1300 RMB, and I didn't even have any sex with the girl.

How come there aren't any cheap KTVs out there, or if there are, where?

Moody
06-14-07, 03:05
Does anybody know why KTVs are so expensive in China? Is it because they have to pay massive amounts to the police or mafia in bribes? They charge you at least 800 or so, normal price is probably 1300 for an evening, for what? A couple of beers, some crackers, a girl to talk to for a couple of hours? And the girl only gets 100-200 if she doesn't go with you at the end of the evening.

Even when I was together with a Chinese local guy in a cheap city, just some beers, a girl, some crackers and bingdu, at the end 1300 RMB, and I didn't even have any sex with the girl.

How come there aren't any cheap KTVs out there, or if there are, where?


Well.... expensive is really a subjective judgment. Let's say you go to Korea and do the same thing, you could easily spend the equivalent of $600 for 4 people. That's not even including tips for the girls. In the US, my friends and I typically spend about $1200 and again, that's without even tipping the girls. Sometimes, if we're in a good mood, we would even go to a second place and blow another $1000-2000. To add insult to injury, you can't even get laid at most places, especially the US. Furthermore, typically, the girl selection is usually very limited. Most of these places have around 20-60 girls working and in the US, more than half the time, the girls usually have more than 1 customer at the same time.

Compare that to China where the big places can easily have 200-600 girls to pick from. The places are set up much nicer. The high end places have cheesy but decent decor. Price for booze is.... substantially less. When 4 of us go out, we typically spend about 2000-3000RMB, which is considerably less than the $1200 we're used to spending in the US doing the same thing. In addition, service is much better and girls are typically more fun. Getting laid just seals the deal. I have friends who come to China just to go to KTV. They come for about 2 weeks and literally go out every single night. They can't speak a word of Chinese, but they all say they have a better time than in the US. To them, KTV in China is supercheap, and getting laid for $100 makes it even better for them.

ADDENDUM: I'm not saying that KTV is NOT expensive. Compared to going to a BBS, it is very expensive. A lot of people though, don't seem to realize it's like comparing apples to oranges. When you go to a BBS, you just want to get laid, nothing else. When you go to KTV, you go there to drink, hang with friends, and enjoy female company. The whole experience is different and for some, it's more than worth it. I realize for some people, it's not their cup of tea and they don't understand how other guys can enjoy it. Guys who only see that point of view can't help but see it as being insanely expensive, especially compared to buying your own beer/wine/whiskey and getting a BBS girl for 150 yuan. There are guys however, who thoroughly enjoy the whole KTV experience, and there must be a lot of guys like that out there.... seeing how there's soooooooo many of the damn things everywhere.

BTW, if you think about it time wise, what do you get for $150RMB at a BBS? 1 hour tops. In CP, you might get 2 hours for 200RMB. A typical KTV will usually hang with you for at least 12 hours. So if you compare it by time the girl spends with you, KTV is not necessarily any more expensive. It's just different.

Phil1980
06-14-07, 03:43
BTW, if you think about it time wise, what do you get for $150RMB at a BBS? 1 hour tops. In CP, you might get 2 hours for 200RMB. A typical KTV will usually hang with you for at least 12 hours. So if you compare it by time the girl spends with you, KTV is not necessarily any more expensive. It's just different.




Ok, another problem with KTVs is that they are basically locked up, risky places to hang out in, in my experience.

1) The people at the entrance always quote you a cheaper price than the final cost, while with BBS girls you can take them back to your hotel and the agreed upon price is what you end up paying

2) The KTV places are normally locked, once you enter and are in a KTV room you can't just leave if you feel uncomfortable about the whole situation (e.g. feel they are scamming you), while girls in your hotel room can just be pushed out of your hotel room, if you want to get rid of them

3) There have been relatively frequent cases (including reported here) where foreigners have been charged outrageous prices at the end of the evening, while not even scoring any p*ssy, just for singing some songs and drinking some beer.

In case of a girl you take to your hotel room it is easy to refuse to pay her some outrageous demands she makes, just throw her out, while in a KTV you have a bunch of mafia pimps threatening you to pay up, very nice end to an evening. Makes you feel great when you get back to your hotel. Financially scammed and threatened and not even had any sex.

4) Who the f*ck cares what prices are in the US?

5) It's not like you are having any spectacular fun in the KTVs anyway, if you don't end up having sex with the girl. I would understand if there were wild orgies going on there for 12 hours on end, but singing Chinese pop songs for 12 hours with some girl and paying 1200 RMB is IMO not in any way preferable to doing that girl for an hour and paying 150 RMB, also you can ask the same girl for the whole night for maybe 300.



Especially if you are a single guy, you can eat and drink at an average restaurant your fill for 50 RMB, add 150 RMB for the girl and 40 RMB for a taxi. Compared to that the KTV prices are outrageous. Even whole night with the same girl at your hotel room plus sex shouldn't set you back by more than 500 RMB, food and transport all together.



Anyway, maybe somebody here knows some cheaper KTVs.

Moody
06-14-07, 05:15
Ok, another problem with KTVs is that they are basically locked up, risky places to hang out in, in my experience.


I think your experiences at KTV differ vastly than mine. For example, I don't think I've ever been told a cheaper price than final cost. When I check the bill, it's always stuff I ordered. Some places make you sign a card as proof that you ordered it, so that there no arguments. There was one incident when a friend of mine wanted to use his Amex card, but the guy told him they didn't accept it, which was nonsense because they took it the day before. Rather than arguing any further, he just paid in cash.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by locked. I've never heard of someone locking the door to your KTV room so you can't get out. There have been many times when I've left the KTV room. Usually to answer the phone and I don't want people to know where I'm at. Quite a few times, I've also left the KTV earlier than other people if I had stuff to do early the next day or if I had to meet other people later that evening.

I am fully aware that scams exist in China. I've never been scammed at a KTV though. I think the worst that happened was some girl one time in Nanjing asked me if she can have a drink. They charged me something like 35 yuan for it I think. Not a big deal. Again, that's not saying others haven't been scammed and that it's not commonplace, but I have been to KTV literally 100's of times now, and nothing weird has happened to me. I think the main reason is I never go to places that aren't recommended to me by friends or not in big hotels.

As for "Who the f*ck cares what prices are in the US?" The first line of your post was, "Does anybody know why KTVs are so expensive in China?" I'm trying to tell you that compared to other places, it's not. Some people, like my friends, might even consider it a down right bargain.

As for fun level of KTV, again, that's all very subjective. I realize it's not everybody's thing to do, but I, and some of my friends, find it a lot of fun. I probably do a lot of crap most guys don't think is fun. I go to country and western bars, techno clubs, goth clubs, discos, and I have fun at all those places. Fun is all about attitude and your participation. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, KTV isn't all about getting laid. It's about hanging around with buds, getting drunk, and having a good time. Anybody who goes to KTV regularly knows that BBSes exist, but sometimes, that's not what you're in the mood for. Lately when I go to KTV, more than half the time I don't even take the girl back with me, but I'm always up to drink and hang out. As for the money aspect.... I guess a lot of my friends aren't very cost conscious. If they have a good time, they don't care how much it costs.

As for your question, perhaps you'll get a better answer if you ask what locale you're looking for.... In Shenzhen, there are lots of small bar/KTVs that basically charge you about 160RMB for 6 beers. At those places, you can get girls for 500/700. I've written about a place called the Venice in the Shenzhen thread. Somebody was kind enough to even post directions.

Tuscan Man
06-14-07, 06:40
There are guys however, who thoroughly enjoy the whole KTV experience, and there must be a lot of guys like that out there. Seeing how there's soooooooo many of the damn things everywhere.

BTW, if you think about it time wise, what do you get for $150RMB at a BBS? 1 hour tops. In CP, you might get 2 hours for 200RMB. A typical KTV will usually hang with you for at least 12 hours. So if you compare it by time the girl spends with you, KTV is not necessarily any more expensive. It's just different. I'm one of those guys that thoroughly enjoys the high end KTV experience. Considering the living standards of the average Chinese person the KTV is astronomically expensive. I usually go 4 times a week sometimes more. I have Chinese friends that invite me or I go with my American room mates and friends. I frequent one high end club so much that virtually everyone knows me and I get 30% discount of the standard rates for the room and drinks. They say its my second home. What I like about the KTV is that overtime you develop relationships with lots of girls and you can get a ton of freebies out of them. As an example several weeks ago I was in a KTV in the back hallway taking a business call from the USA when this beauty walked by and our eyes caught each other. About a half hour later I went to the rest room and she was also going to the restroom. Again our eyes locked and I asked her for her phone number and her name (wanqiu). Twenty minutes later I called her and invited her to my table, since I was with another girl, my friend asked her to sit with him. When my other girl who was a stage singer went up to do her performance I patted my hand on the open spot next to me and Wanqiu just jumped up and sat beside me and we hit it off right away. I visited her another two times at the club. One night I was at another KTV visiting one of my girlfriends and I got a call from wanqiu. She asked if she could come over to my home after work. I said ok and I told my other girl I was going to hang out with one of my buddies after so no need to come over tonight. Wanqiu came over and we went at it three times over a 4 hour period. Great sex and no money was exchanged. She came over another four times over a two week period and was horny as a goat each time. She never asked for money but the typical KTV stories are beginning materialize so I know she is going for the long approach to maybe getting some cash from me. I have had many free experiences similar to this. Some times Iím at a KTV and I will get text messages or phone calls from 4 different girls where my girlfriends at one time or another, that heard I am at the club and could they come and hang with me and go home with me later. It can get complicated but I like that kind of excitement. And after building relationships with mommy and girls the nights can get very wild, Something you donít get at the bbs. On the same night I often have had multiple KTV girls call me just before they get off work asking what am I doing and if they can come over after work. So I often say yes to the girl whoís sex play will suite me for my mood that night. It takes a lot of money and time to get to this. I am not proud of spending such large amounts of money at these places. Sometimes you feel like a sucker. But, If you know how to play the KTV girls and just enjoy them for fun and donít let emotions get in the way then you are always in control and can have great experiences with these girls. I never pay those girls for sex, At one KTV my mommy girlfriend sometimes comps the room for me, so itís free and not free because you can spend a fortune in the ktvís. Last month I spent 56000 rmb entertaining friends, clients and visitors from overseas, that price tag stings but I loved every minute of it. Basically every girl in the KTV is screwable I have had singers, waitresses, mommies, one door greeter, and one mc. I love the hunt something I canít experience at the bbs. I have never been to a bbs and may try it someday since the price is right. To me bottom line is no KTV girl sex is free or that cheap, because it takes time and money to get to the experiences of the girl willing to have sex for no money. The foundation of that experience, e. G. Going to the KTV multiple times in the long run can be very expensive. Oh, also I don't speak Chinese. But I can make girls laugh and show them a fun time. I know magic tricks I can sing Chinese songs. Etc. I have spent sometime perfecting my girl catching net.

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Mock A Bee
06-14-07, 07:06
Does anybody know why KTVs are so expensive in China? Is it because they have to pay massive amounts to the police or mafia in bribes? They charge you at least 800 or so, normal price is probably 1300 for an evening, for what? A couple of beers, some crackers, a girl to talk to for a couple of hours? And the girl only gets 100-200 if she doesn't go with you at the end of the evening.

Even when I was together with a Chinese local guy in a cheap city, just some beers, a girl, some crackers and bingdu, at the end 1300 RMB, and I didn't even have any sex with the girl.

How come there aren't any cheap KTVs out there, or if there are, where?

There are literally thousands of KTV's in China.

Basically you have to choose wisely or better yet, have a local guy in the know, take you to the "good" ktv's. But also, you should not go to a KTV with the expectation that you will necessarily get laid. You shouldn't go to KTV's explicitly for that purpose. KTV's are a place to party with a room full of guys you know (ideally) and have some pretty party girls around - but with privacy.

The really good ones are frequented by gov't officials and filthy rich guys, which you normally have to be a VIP and invited to get in. These are obviously not open to the general public. I hear they are REALLY good, though unfortunately I have never personally been to one of these. Take the opportunity if you get invited.

If you want more "skin" and raunch, the better KTV's are the more down-market ones, not the fancy ones. The more down-market ones offer girls who will do the "sexy nude dance" and more depending on the KTV. Depending on the girl, you can even DATY, give HJ's or whatever else you can get away with.

The really good ones let the girls do BBBJ's and much more. However these tend to be underground KTV's and you really have to know someone who will take you.

Basically, the bottom line is, you have to go to the right KTV, and the raunchier KTV's are not necessarily more expensive, though can be harder to find. However, they can be noticeably cheaper than the high profile ones depending on the establishment.

MAB

Sammy_T
06-14-07, 11:35
I have visited many KTVs in various cities all over China, from Beijing to some really small industrial cities, and I must admit I enjoy it. I am a western guy, but I am always taken to a new KTV for the first time by one of my Chinese friends. After this initial visit I have returned to the same KTV with just western friends and never had any trouble, ie. I got the same deal (or better) that I got with my Chinese friends.

I have never had to pay a separate fee for the room AND the drinks. Each time I have paid what amounts to a "minimum purchase" which would then cover the room cost. An example would be for a large room that would seat 20 people (10 guys and 10 girls) the "cost" would be 3000 RMB, so we would have to purchase at least 3000 RMB in food or drink at regular menu prices. The menu prices are not street market prices, but they are not western hotel bar prices either. Depending on the time of night and the day of the week you can often negotiate a discount from the menu price (say maybe 15% off), but don't expect to get a discount on a weekend night. That works out to around $20 US per head. Needless to say, it is much more cost effective to go with a large group the it is to go with just 1 or 2 other guys.

There are many KTVs that are just for friends to go to and hang out and sing together. It seems groups of Chinese will go together with the spouses or girlfriends. These KTVs will not have a line up of girls available to choose from - they are strictly legit. I have found that if a KTV has girls, then the girls will get dirty with you to some degree. This can range from letting you rub all over them (100% of the time), to dancing naked for you (75% of the time), to actually providing full service in an adjacent room (25% of the time). In very small towns you may encounter a KTV that does not offer a lineup of girls, but when you ask they will call in some girls from the local massage parlor for you.

Every girl will expect a tip. The amount seems to be regardless of how much time they spend with you - if you get there early and spend the entire evening you will be expected to pay the same tip as if you just stay an hour. The tip range is from 100 RMB to 400 RMB, but does not necessarily reflect the amount of service that is provided. In Beijing the tip amount is generally 300 RMB, and the girls will get naked but not go much beyond that in the KTV room. You can read a post of mine on the Xian board about a KTV that offers full service for only a tip of 200 RMB. If, after some time, you decide you do not like the girl you are with you can request another, but you will be expected to at least tip her something.

I have found that out of the KTVs that have girls you will find that some of the girls at that KTV will be willing to go home with you, while others will not. If you are looking to take a girl home then you need to specify this up front so they can point out the girls willing to go out during the line-up. These girls will always expect to be paid the normal tip, and then an extra fee to go home with you. Again, the extra fee will vary depending on the quality of girl and the going market rate.

When you are comparing price to the USA (why? Because everyone knows the US$, and most people who have traveled internationally will have visited the USA) KTV is not bad at all - at a high end strip bar you can expect to pay $20 US for a table dance which will last for 3 minutes. The same will cost you $10 at a sleazy dive, and drinks at both places will cost you an arm and a leg. At a KTV you pay at most 300 RMB ($36 US), and the girl will sit with you and flirt with you for hours, often allowing much more contact then what you would get in the common USA strip bar.

Well, I am off to a KTV tonight in Beijing. I have been told by my Chinese friend that we will try a new one that is lower on the "decoration" scale, but has high quality girls that will provide good service. If it works out I will post a report on the Beijing board.

Happy Hunting!
Sammy

Kma12
06-14-07, 15:54
I am traveling to china 3-4 times a year and love the girls, they are usually nice and give good service. almost in every hotel the massage is basically a place to have some "specials" and if you invite it to your room they do not even bother with the massage... Holidy inn on the west side can be a nice example of this type of hotel service.

On my constant searchs I have come across this site:

http://www.escortschina.info/indexfrm.asp

It seems to be well managed and looks reliable, lots of girls adds from all over china.

They have "VIP" fee if you want to get details like tel number or mail.

Any body had any experience with them?

Fast Eddie 48
06-14-07, 16:46
This is a place we talk about cheap sex and KTV is expensive sex , and to sammy T there is no cheap sex in Bejing , but I have been to small KTV in Shenzhen sha tsui area room start at around 180 rmb with 2 beer and girls are for 300 rmb ST all girl are freelancer don't work for the KTV but all KTV is now closed down in this area but there are still many around shenzhen area .

Fast eddie 48

Phil1980
06-14-07, 22:50
This is a place we talk about cheap sex and KTV is expensive sex , and to sammy T there is no cheap sex in Bejing , but I have been to small KTV in Shenzhen sha tsui area room start at around 180 rmb with 2 beer and girls are for 300 rmb ST all girl are freelancer don't work for the KTV but all KTV is now closed down in this area but there are still many around shenzhen area .

Fast eddie 48


I agree, what is the use of some idiot like "Tuscan Man" talking about spending 56000 RMB a month on *****s in the "Cheap Sex" section, anybody who is willing to spend more than 300 RMB on a girl a night should please shut the f*ck up in this section.

Moody
06-14-07, 23:13
I agree, what is the use of some idiot like "Tuscan Man" talking about spending 56000 RMB a month on *****s in the "Cheap Sex" section, anybody who is willing to spend more than 300 RMB on a girl a night should please shut the f*ck up in this section.

Lay off Tuscan Man. He was kind enough to post his experiences and not everybody does that. Most people just take from the forum and hardly ever give back. You obviously didn't read his post carefully since he stated a few times that he never PAID the girls for sex. Hell, how can you get better than FREE for cheap sex. There's also nothing wrong with his spending 50K on KTV. It's his money, and he's allowed to spend it as he sees fit. He obviously has the cash and doesn't mind spending it. You calling him names accomplishes nothing and makes you look foolish and jealous.

If you're looking for 300RMB or less net, then don't ask about KTV. You're not going to find it for that price in any decent sized city. KTV is not about cheap quick sex. If you want seriously cheap sex, talk to some locals. Even in Shenzhen, a few locals I know have told me they can find it for as low as 70RMB. In Changping, there's a place for 30RMB. If you're more comfortable at those kinds of prices, that's fine. Everybody has their comfort zone when it comes to money. There's no point though, in insulting a guy, especially one who's willing to share info, because he doesn't mind spending his money.

Phil1980
06-14-07, 23:28
Ok, let's return to the topic of "cheap sex in China": In Baise (Guangxi) there is a hotel I stayed in for two days (Jingdou Hotel) 京都宾馆 (the only 3* hotel in town I think), massage floor is on the 13th floor. They were really pretty, much better than in places like Shenzhen, only 150RMB.

Albert Punter
06-15-07, 09:00
When it was discussed about possibility of opening this thread I was against as I didn't feel a need for it. I believe that "cheap sex" or "expensive sex" experiences should be posted in those threads they pertain for location, giving to all members picture of what is available in each area. Then every single member can select what suits him more.

Also, what is cheap for me can be considered expensive for you and the opposite.
Just consider discussion about KTV, which IMHO cannot be considered cheap compared to other opportunities for sex fun in this country.
However, as well Moody stated a few posts back, experiences are different too and not really comparable. So, even though I am not a fan of KTV, I donít blame those going there often and spending more money I normally do to get laid.
Furthermore, I donít believe Tuscan Man is an idiot, as he specified that amount was spent to entertain friends, clients and visitors. So I assume it was in some way part of the business, and everybody knows this is quite regular business practice here, like in other countries you invite people on a golf course or at sport game or at restaurant.

There must be something wrong with this thread as now a new guy comes and asks about escorts, which surely are not cheap ...
Anyhow, allow me to reply to KMA12.
This website was discussed on a few occasions and, if my memory serves me well, it came out it is not what it seems.

OldAsiaHand
06-15-07, 10:33
Fast Eddie:

Just to clarify. As you know, Sha Tsui is history. Most of the KTVs are gone. Most of the KTV girls there were the same as you had on the streets and in line-ups for 150 RMB. It was usually no more than the same line-up at double the price since the KTV took their cut.

OAH



This is a place we talk about cheap sex and KTV is expensive sex , and to sammy T there is no cheap sex in Bejing , but I have been to small KTV in Shenzhen sha tsui area room start at around 180 rmb with 2 beer and girls are for 300 rmb ST all girl are freelancer don't work for the KTV but all KTV is now closed down in this area but there are still many around shenzhen area .

Fast eddie 48

Shyguy879
06-15-07, 10:41
This may be a stupid question, but what is a KTV?

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Kma12
06-15-07, 13:36
Thanks for your comment, sorry about the rookie mistake. Next July I am in China again and hope to get some experiece that worth posting.


......There must be something wrong with this thread as now a new guy comes and asks about escorts, which surely are not cheap ...

Anyhow, allow me to reply to KMA12.

This website was discussed on a few occasions and, if my memory serves me well, it came out it is not what it seems.

Fast Eddie 48
06-15-07, 16:45
Fast Eddie:

Just to clarify. As you know, Sha Tsui is history. Most of the KTVs are gone. Most of the KTV girls there were the same as you had on the streets and in line-ups for 150 RMB. It was usually no more than the same line-up at double the price since the KTV took their cut.

OAHTo OAH,

I know all this but this is cheap ktv experience in Sha tsui history there are still many of this place in shenzhen area buji and longhua town just to name 2 area , remember few yr ago we used to follow the girl around sha tsui when they go from one ktv to the other find the mommie and get the girl for 150 rmb short time without the ktv experience and that is cheap sex in the good old days.

Fast eddie 48

Moody
06-17-07, 04:41
...Depending on the time of night and the day of the week you can often negotiate a discount from the menu price (say maybe 15% off), but don't expect to get a discount on a weekend night. That works out to around $20 US per head. Needless to say, it is much more cost effective to go with a large group the it is to go with just 1 or 2 other guys...

At most places I've been to, KTVs typically have some kind of discount. For instance, if you order a dozen beers, you get 6 free. If you order 2 bottles of wine, you get one free. Same kind of deal with baijiu and whiskey and other stuff if they have it. If you drink a lot, somewhere along the line, they offer you 1 for 1, buy one get one. I think the last time I went, they offered us 1 for 1 after around 90 beers. Another time, after the 6th bottle of whiskey, they told us it would be 1 for 1. Every now and then, KTV also have some promos or things like that. One time in DG, the had a special on Chivas, buy 2 get 2. To get those discounts though, you have to ask. Either that or be a regular. When the girls wearing the liquor company outfits come in, talk to them and ask what kind of deal they have running, always they offer buy 2 get 1.

Fun Lover King
06-18-07, 21:02
Hey gang,

I just posted info about the back alleyways behind Seibu in Shenzhen in the Shenzhen forum. Check that forum out for more info.

FLK

Street Car
08-23-07, 08:38
I've back track this thread,can't find any relevant post,so don't scream RTFF just yet bro's. I'm traveling to Beijing next week and will be staying at the Shangrila Beijing. Any low-cost action,and better still...MILF action going on nearby the hotel.

Appreciate it very much.

Macho Dik
08-31-07, 14:46
dear fellow mongers,

i need some of your kind guide on my questions about how to get to hsia chuan tao "下川島" from hong kong.

i will be traveling to hong kong and i understand there is a turbo jet boat that travel the hkia to nacau but from macau i can not remeber how and what is teh best and fastest way for me to take to reached hsia chuan tao "下川島". i want to take either speed boat or bus but i am hesistating to take those personal taxi that i am not sure if they will bring somewhere else to rob.

please provise your kind advises and also give me some more idea how and what is the damage for those actions girls in that island.

thanks

md

Albert Punter
08-31-07, 15:17
i don't know where hsia chuan tao is located, but as you talk about hong kong, i would recommend you to post your request in that thread or, as a double, in travel plans and announcement thread in china forum.


dear fellow mongers,

i need some of your kind guide on my questions about how to get to hsia chuan tao "下川島" from hong kong.

i will be traveling to hong kong and i understand there is a turbo jet boat that travel the hkia to nacau but from macau i can not remeber how and what is teh best and fastest way for me to take to reached hsia chuan tao "下川島". i want to take either speed boat or bus but i am hesistating to take those personal taxi that i am not sure if they will bring somewhere else to rob.

please provise your kind advises and also give me some more idea how and what is the damage for those actions girls in that island.

thanks

md

Macho Dik
08-31-07, 16:15
I don't know where Hsia Chuan Tao is located, but as you talk about Hong Kong, I would recommend you to post your request in that thread or, as a double, in Travel Plans and Announcement thread in China forum.


I post it here as this is related to a place in China. I understand that place is not far from ZHU HAI.

I believed some of our fellows here will give a good guidance.

MD

Kranky99
09-01-07, 04:49
Hi,

I actually went to Xia Chuan Dao about 7 years back. You need to have a travel agent take you there as the journey was quite long. I was taken to Zhu Hai where I took a mini bus and at that time, the highway was not completed and took me about 3 hours by road to a coastal town and then had to take a ferry which took about 1 hour before getting to the island.

Then we have to take another mini bus for about 15 minutes before getting to a 'village'...and what a sight it was. Any woman on the street that is without a man's company, you can go for it!! This is a place that is frequent by Taiwanese and you got women from all over CHina. It was quite an experience at that time when I was there...had 2 girls and you just had that feeling that time is never enough and too many girls to choose from.

Whether it is still like that now, I would have no idea..but I had a good time there.

BossLove72
09-02-07, 13:52
Hello,

I've started teaching at a new place. Tell me wise ones; how to pick up students? I know that there is some magical way. Anyone care to share.

On the other side as well, please tell me some of the pratfalls.

Tile Man4
09-03-07, 01:16
Hello,

I've started teaching at a new place. Tell me wise ones; how to pick up students? I know that there is some magical way. Anyone care to share.

On the other side as well, please tell me some of the pratfalls.

I don't know if its a good idea to shit where you eat (your own school). You and I talked about this before. Most medium to large towns and cities have an English corner. Where Chinese students hang out together just to learn English. They love it when the laowei's come down.

My translator from China ( she is 25) who is now in the USA Florida, has at least 10 women from Nanning and Guangzhou who would like me to teach them English. The youngest is 19. The oldest is 50.

I will maybe meet them all, but end up teaching the 30 plus. Several of them are willing to pay me. Some of them work regular jobs and also have sugar daddies. They are bored with daddy. I don't want their money but I worry that after one hour of English or sex , I will never be able to get rid of them.

I can see in advance the problem this can create for me. Chinese women are the very jealous type. I just may alone it without the help of my translator. So boss , try the English corner. They are mostly located near the local College. My ONLY advise is............... be careful with the under 18. I would not go there.

Good luck and stay safe.

tile man

BossLove72
09-03-07, 02:37
I don't know if its a good idea to shit where you eat (your own school).

I don't want their money but I worry that after one hour of English or sex , I will never be able to get rid of them.

I can see in advance the problem this can create for me. Chinese women are the very jealous type.

Tile manI have heard you and I agree, but I'm just wondering how does it work for others. Would anyone like to share with me? You can PM as well.

Tile Man4
09-03-07, 15:02
I have heard you and I agree, but I'm just wondering how does it work for others. Would anyone like to share with me? You can PM as well.

One thing about me Boss , I am maybe wrong more than 50% of the time. I also hope some other guys will give you , me and all of us some better ways to pick up pussy. I do prefer the free pussy over the WG and her slew of money mongers that help and control her.

Oh my man , we will meet someday in Nanning when you get a school holiday. I know my way around Nanning and I promise that you will ge laid.

Take care and be safe . I hope we hear from some other guys.

Tile man

OldAsiaHand
09-04-07, 09:36
Most medium to large towns and cities have an English corner. Where Chinese students hang out together just to learn English. They love it when the laowei's come down.

I have had very good luck getting freebies from English Corners. They all want to practice their oral English with a foreigner. Eventually, it works into something more to practice at.

OAH

Boss
09-04-07, 21:36
I have had very good luck getting freebies from English Corners. They all want to practice their oral English with a foreigner. Eventually, it works into something more to practice at.

OAH
OAH or any other English corner veterans,
I too have had good luck at English corners during my first trip to China many years ago. I am getting ready to go to China again but I am in my early 40's now. Most of the crowd will be in the early to mid 20's, so will my age be a problem? Also, the only thing I hated about English corner was closing the deal. It was embarrassing for me to try and directly ask a girl for her phone number in front of a crowd of people, so I always waited for someone(anyone) to give me theirs. Sometimes it didn't happen and I left frustrated. How do you handle this?

Boss

Ontario Boy
09-05-07, 03:29
OAH or any other English corner veterans,
I too have had good luck at English corners during my first trip to China many years ago. I am getting ready to go to China again but I am in my early 40's now. Most of the crowd will be in the early to mid 20's, so will my age be a problem? Also, the only thing I hated about English corner was closing the deal. It was embarrassing for me to try and directly ask a girl for her phone number in front of a crowd of people, so I always waited for someone(anyone) to give me theirs. Sometimes it didn't happen and I left frustrated. How do you handle this?

Boss

English Corners (EC) are not like they used to be as there corners themselves are a lot fewer and there are more "older students ". Young kids have too much to do in China today to hang around ECs. You will probably have better luck in smaller cities and towns.

Age is not a factor for a short term relationship Chinese women do not have age hangups but don't expect to be included in a 20's or so social circle. They are good at dividing the two areas .

Getting phone numbers is hit or miss as you have indicated. I have two suggestions. One, ask a lot of people for numbers, including your target. This could also be a source of income contacts later on as you can contact them for private paid lessons as well as your fun. Two hand out business cards to selected targets. You can get these made pretty cheaply in all areas.

In ECs the difficult part is communicating your availability in a funny yet charming non threatening way. One way is to focus in on topics mentionned by the cuties such as good restauarants, courses they are taking, home towns, etc. You can indicate that you would like to learn more about them and say you will talk further after the session.

You could bring up the topic of relationships and say that you think Chinese women are very beautiful and charming and that you would like a girlfriend. Now jokingly you can turn to a few of the cuties and start kidding them about how pretty they are and how lucky their boyfriends are, etc. Also flirt a little with the older women as well as this again shows you as a fun guy. The older and male audience members will find this funny as well and it shows everyone that you are a "China fan" and have a sense of humour as well. Watch the cuties for their reaction and go from there. It is a lot like bar talk but more public. Just don't target a girl too agressively that has a boyfriend or husband in the crowd.

There is one technique that I used to use when I did a lot of travelling and stayed in smaller hotels. I would begin hanging out in the hotel bar area and seeing what the local staff were like. I would then approach the hotel manager and offer to do a few "English" classes in his bar for hotel staff in return for a few free beers. If they accept you get opportunities to meet a lot of the local girls ,tell them to bring their friends and even more show up.

I also want to warn you about the 18's and under crowd and dating your students in school. These can only cause problems . There are plenty of opportunities elsewhere.

OldAsiaHand
09-05-07, 13:31
Boss,

I am in my early 50's. The girls I have had success with are mostly in their 30's, but the one I am doing now is only 26. One was close to 50, but I had trouble keeping it up for her on 2 attempts.

It is common for attendees to exchange telephone numbers at the corners I've been too. I have never had any trouble getting them. It's good advise to ask from several people, including the guys, rather than just the one girl you want. This way it will not seem as obvious.

Good luck and post the results.

OAH

Santa
09-06-07, 01:22
The conversations are tedious and the ladies are usually not attractive. But, you might get lucky.

They like to exchange numbers, and the ugly one will call you several times.

Your mileage may vary.

OldAsiaHand
09-06-07, 04:14
You are right. The stunners in China do not need to learn English. Most of the girls I have met are in the 5-7 range with an occassional 8.


The conversations are tedious and the ladies are usually not attractive. But, you might get lucky.

They like to exchange numbers, and the ugly one will call you several times.

Your mileage may vary.

Phil1980
09-06-07, 08:44
My experience this time around: Most of the girls in Zhuhai and Shenzhen wanted 200, in Qingdao it was 150-200, in smaller towns in Guangdong and Hebei provinces 150.

Some of the girls ask for 300, if you bargain they always go down to 200, otherwise go look elsewhere.

Phil1980
09-06-07, 08:55
Also, the only thing I hated about English corner was closing the deal. It was embarrassing for me to try and directly ask a girl for her phone number in front of a crowd of people
Boss


Use your cell phone (in case you can type Chinese). Type out to the girl 你能给我你的手机号码?Then show it to her, in case she agrees, contact her again at a later time. That way nobody will ever know. In my experience if there are Chinese male strangers around the girl, they will often try to prevent any private contacts between you and the girl. So don't let the other people know you are contacting her privately.

This cell phone trick can also be used successfully with waitresses in restaurants, hotel staff etc. Just be sure the other staff don't know about it and meet her outside somewhere, otherwise they will almost certainly try to break off the relationship.

Santa
09-07-07, 08:07
Use your cell phone (in case you can type Chinese). Type out to the girl 你能给我你的手机号码?Then show it to her, in case she agrees, contact her again at a later time. That way nobody will ever know. In my experience if there are Chinese male strangers around the girl, they will often try to prevent any private contacts between you and the girl. So don't let the other people know you are contacting her privately.

This cell phone trick can also be used successfully with waitresses in restaurants, hotel staff etc. Just be sure the other staff don't know about it and meet her outside somewhere, otherwise they will almost certainly try to break off the relationship.

Could you please give us that in pinyin and english? Also, if this is English Corner, why not just write it in english?

So what do you do? Type it on your phone and then hand it to her? Don't the others all lean in and ask her "what did he type"?

Please explain your interesting method more clearly.

Phil1980
09-07-07, 08:54
Please explain your interesting method more clearly.


My interesting method goes thus:

1. You look for some public establishment in China, like a restaurant, hotel, tourism bureau, nightclub, disco etc., you enter it and look whether there are any pretty female staff members.

2. In case there are, you sit down and claim some business, e.g. order a portion of gongbao jiding.

3. When the girl comes to serve you, you show her your cell phone on which you have written "can you give me your cell phone number?" in Chinese.


In most cases she will agree and write down her number for you. The worst what can happen is that she says "bu hao yisi" or shakes her head.

In case she gives you her number, you eat your meal and leave without further contact, so the other staff doesn't take notice. Later in the evening after you have left the establishment, you send her an SMS and invite her to lunch or dinner somewhere else.

Do not chat her up at the place itself, since the other staff will dissuade her from meeting with a foreigner.

Batman
09-08-07, 09:45
OK OAH,
When are you going to invite me to one of these english corners. I have got to see you working the crowd at an english corner. That will be worth the trip. HAhahahahahahaha
In my experience the English corner crowd (over 30) is the"I want to find a Gui Lo and get out of China as soon as possible" kind of gal.

Phil1980
09-08-07, 10:30
I have some new funny reports on my cell phone trick, which I tried on several occasions yesterday. First I tried a jeweller's shop. I acted as if I was interested in buying a diamond ring, which I am not nor would I have the money in case I wanted to. I only chose the shop, because the girl selling the diamonds was pretty. She told me she was from Xi'an and then actually wrote down her cell phone number for me. I tried to call her before, unfortunately the phone is turned off.

Next I tried a flower shop, I said I needed flowers for a friend's wedding, then asked her for her cell phone number. Unfortunately she only gave me the card of the shop, with the cell phone number of the shop on it.

Next I chose a clothes shop, I acted as if I wanted to buy a T-shirt, the girl selling the shirts was very pretty, unfortunately she refused to give me her number.

From now on I will try this trick every day when I'm in China.

Has anybody here ever successfully chatted up a stewardess on a plane? I tried that on several Air China flights already, but never had any success. I assume the stewardesses are ordered not to privately contact passengers as a part of their work contract.

Phil1980
09-09-07, 10:27
OK, tried the mobile phone trick again today, with limited success, right now I'm in an internet cafe, tried the mobile on the girl sitting next to me, she just left, didn't give me her number.

On the other hand I have a date with one of the girls standing at the entrances of restaurants, supposedly tonight at 10, all due to the mobile phone trick.

Albert Punter
09-09-07, 18:35
It happened to me too that number given never was on.
I thought girl gave me a fake number just to make me happy without having to say: no I don't want to give it to you.

So, now when I get number I immediately memorize it in front of the girl and immediately call it to check she gave me right one (just saying to girl that I want to be sure to have understood).



...
I tried to call her before, unfortunately the phone is turned off.
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Clandestine782
09-09-07, 22:46
My friend and I want to have some group sex.

We'd like two girls overnight in one room and one bed. (We plan to do some swapping off, and my friend likes to go for a LONG time and has had some very sore, grumpy hookers.)

We are two guys, late 20s. One black and one white, both speaking Chinese (though his is a bit better than mine, mine is enough to navigate these types of situations with ease). One is about 6'4 and the other is 6', both reasonably well endowed (also to be downplayed and kept secret until the moment of truth).

Should we go to a barbershop to make this happen? Or try to find freelancers? We are in Nanjing and will be going to Ma'anshan, where the girls are younger, more available and have marginally better attitudes. I've been to many barbershops and saunas (seldom), but don't know very well how to find freelancers.

What would you guys add on the logistics side of this plot?

Dumamay
09-10-07, 09:59
My friend and I want to have some group sex.

We'the like two girls overnight in one room and one bed. (We plan to do some swapping off, and my friend likes to go for a LONG time and has had some very sore, grumpy hookers.)

We are two guys, late 20s. One black and one white, both speaking Chinese (though his is a bit better than mine, mine is enough to navigate these types of situations with ease). One is about 6'4 and the other is 6', both reasonably well endowed (also to be downplayed and kept secret until the moment of truth). Should we go to a barbershop to make this happen? Or try to find freelancers? We are in Nanjing and will be going to Ma'anshan, where the girls are younger, more available and have marginally better attitudes. I've been to many barbershops and saunas (seldom), but don't know very well how to find freelancers.

What would you guys add on the logistics side of this plot? If you get pros, no problem, they just want to get money.

From my costly experience, here I give you what you need to do

1. Negotiate based on the quality of the girl for take out ST, also ask about how much for whole night

Do not pay whole night, they may take off after 2 pops

2. After the first pop, which you can also swap and do all things you want, (you can do anything you want when you are pounding them),

If you like, then pay the additional amount to make them stay. Tell them to wait for 2nd pop, then they will wait, and pay after the 2nd pop.

If you pay first all to mamasan, the girls will take off, but you can hold them if you are strong enough.

Phil1980
09-10-07, 15:00
I'm in an internet cafe right now, had dinner with a very cute Hunan girl I met using the mobile phone trick. I just asked her on the street where the Yindu Hotel was and she walked with me to the hotel. Then asked her for her mobile phone number and she actually gave it to me. Later on took her out for dinner. Now I also have the number of a tall Uighur girl I asked on the street and of a girl in this internet cafe.

In the future I will always try this when I'm in China: Just walk down the street, look for women you like, ask them where this or that hotel is and then ask them for their mobile phone number, works in 30 percent of the cases (and I'm not good-looking). That means you ask 100 women of your choice and get 30 numbers.

Superforce99
09-10-07, 16:05
I'm in an internet cafe right now, had dinner with a very cute Hunan girl I met using the mobile phone trick. I just asked her on the street where the Yindu Hotel was and she walked with me to the hotel. Then asked her for her mobile phone number and she actually gave it to me. Later on took her out for dinner. Now I also have the number of a tall Uighur girl I asked on the street and of a girl in this internet cafe.

In the future I will always try this when I'm in China: Just walk down the street, look for women you like, ask them where this or that hotel is and then ask them for their mobile phone number, works in 30 percent of the cases (and I'm not good-looking). That means you ask 100 women of your choice and get 30 numbers.Glad to hear you're getting girls accepting free dinners with you, more power to you. I'd be interested to know how often this goes beyond dinner and into the bedroom?

Thanks.

J

Phil1980
09-11-07, 08:05
Glad to hear you're getting girls accepting free dinners with you, more power to you. I'd be interested to know how often this goes beyond dinner and into the bedroom?

Thanks.

J



Personally I enjoy going out with pretty Chinese girls, even if it doesn't end with sex. Since these women are no prostitutes naturally they won't just jump into bed with you the first evening, unless they are drunk.

Phil1980
09-11-07, 11:29
Just now tried the mobile phone trick on an extremely pretty girl in an internet cafe, she got up and is now sitting next to her laogong, I better leave before he tries to fuck me up.

Tuscan Man
09-11-07, 14:44
Just now tried the mobile phone trick on an extremely pretty girl in an internet cafe, she got up and is now sitting next to her laogong, I better leave before he tries to fuck me up.

Me and my chinese buddy recently came up with a trick to meet girls. and it has been very successful for me. If we see a pretty girl we will go up and tell her that we just made a bet about what part of china she is from then we take turns guessing where she is from, it turns into a friendly game. We end up easily striking up a conversation and most of the time it ends up with a phone number in hand. Just this last week picked up a really pretty girl at KFC, one girl and her friend on a street bench. On sunday also got the number of a beauty at the public swimming pool. I only tried it 4 times and it worked 3 times. Have dated two of the girls and one with her girlfriend came over to my apartment last night (she is scoping out the lay of the land before she commits to coming over on her own) . The encounters are cheap but no bed yet the fishing of these girl can take allot of time.

tuscanman

Dumamay
09-11-07, 21:37
among these advices, i like the giving-card-asking-for-mobile-phone the best. it will indeed work out almost 99% of tries, just make sure you deal with the girl a bit discreetly, let no one around see it. you need to have your 2 cards and a pen ready (1 card for her and 1 for her to write her number on to give you).

if you don't have these ready, techniquely you are already a loser, not a biz man in her eyes, let alone talking to you on phone or coming to your room.

the direction inquiry method only works for me when i actually need to find ways! rather than that, it is hard to pretend and the girls know it! again one has to test the water, and willing to take rejection. i prefer no action than any rejection. it is me, and i can't change it.

i think it works out the most when you show that you are a bigshot with high-esteem of a coolie. no sarcastic, but this is the way people respect in china!

being gentle mostly useless in this land.

internet bar and disco are minefields. please do not try here. i have seen all westerners being cool in these areas. the reason is simply there are too many young local guys around, and the girls won't want to be labeled at the site as a chancetaker with foreigners. again, you better try them outside the netbar, or the disco, if they are alone and away from the guys. eye contact and smile are decisive, without this, not much hope. anyway, worth a try, who knows? maximum is another rejection.

ec to me is a no no. i hate this place, the girls surely know what they want from you: your spoken english, and the guys just act as if you are a serial-raper while they are saints or knights, but in fact it could be vice-versa.

ec only works to me when i talk to one pretty girl only, and yet she still doesn't want to come, trying to sense how many girls i have!

so honestly i never came to ec. maybe hit and run would work. just come in a few minutes, hit the best girls and take # at once, citing you have a biz meeting this evening and ask her to come at later time.

i hope all foreigners would do this trick so they can't pick up free english from you and then laugh at you afterwards.

a last suggestion, if we team up together, our chance of success is higher than going alone.

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Mrbob111
09-20-07, 05:43
Has anybody here ever successfully chatted up a stewardess on a plane? I tried that on several Air China flights already, but never had any success. I assume the stewardesses are ordered not to privately contact passengers as a part of their work contract.The fact is that most Asian flight attendants are looking for a Bigger Better Deal. Many in fact are looking for husbands and that is solely why they got the job. It is unlikely you will pick one up for sex, but it can happen if you really playing it well. And having a first class seat certainly helps. I travelled extensively around China, Vietnam and Thailand a few years back and always ugraded to First Class (when available) at the gate. If there is a seat available it is relatively inexpensive to get the better seat and it goes a long way with seeming "IT" to the flight attendants. It also went well with several other customers I met on flights.

One experience was a Viet women I met flying from Danang to NhaTrang. She could only speak about 20 words of English, yet I asked her to have dinner with me and we ended up spending 3 nights together. Ends up she was a physician. Go figure.

Happy Hunting.

MrBob

Clean Gene
09-20-07, 08:11
My first success experience was many years ago when I was in my early thirties. I spent a good part of the flight in the rear of the airplane talking to other guys, and looking and smiling at a stunningly beautiful young flight attendant. As the airplane was coming in to SFO, I was sitting in one of the empty seats near the rear. The others had returned to their seats. The flight attendant told me this was her first trip to San Francisco, and did I know someone to show her the town. I thought of my friend, Matt: blond, blue eyed, OK looking (like Matt Damon), ex Air Force, grad student at Stanford. So I asked her contact details. Then I thought, "What the heck." I blew my wad and my load on her.

The second was a beautiful United attendant who used to stay over at a friend's apartment back East. We called her "Beautiful Beth". On a scale of 1 to 10, she was an 11. I got to know her. She was very skilled (sex in all ways). She kept a diary of her dates. 78 in one year: that's more than one a week. Cost: a night on the town and a gift (LV handbag, Burberry coat).

Third was a gold mine of an apartment in Inglewood, California. A Hong Kong guy (whose family owned a Hotel in HK) had a cute (late 20's) girl friend (a China Airline flight attendant) who layed over at this apt. (A lay-over spot for China Airline flight att'ds). Too many tales to be told here.

CG

Phil1980
09-20-07, 08:43
My first success experience was many years ago when I was in my early thirties.


I was nearly successful a couple of days ago at Hong Kong International Airport. I was walking around the airport looking for any pretty girls to chat up, when I saw a pretty Chinese stewardess sitting at a table by herself. So I just sat down and struck up a conversation. She was smiling and seemed interested, unfortunately just then her frigging British boyfriend who had just gotten himself a drink sat down next to us and said in a gay British accent: "Excuse me, I believe you are being very intrusive, please leave." So I got up and left.

Albert Punter
09-20-07, 18:35
Phil,

I don't think our friends from UK will like this.



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and said in a gay British accent:
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Electric Sheep
09-21-07, 15:33
Mates,

I know that Chinese gals are awed by Caucasian men and also know that unfortunately they generally have a bit of negative view of Black men. (Have heard a lot and seen it too)

The question is: Whats the chance for someone who is of reddish tanned "italian" skin,bound to do in getting tel numbers.

I know i get stares but its no indicator. I remember in Xiamen it was a lot of nice stares but indifference in Shg.

Any input would be appreciated. :)

Cheers

Erik
09-21-07, 15:42
Air hostesses have nothing to do in the Cheap sex section. They earn more than many of the members here. This is completly another market.

Miao28
09-23-07, 00:21
phil,

i don't think our friends from uk will like this.

i think phil is just using a figure of speech to describe the british accent. see for instance,

quote:

http://mindprod.com/ggloss/accent.html

"some people perceive any crisp accent or british accent as gay, perhaps because theatrical people are trained to speak so plummily."

unquote.

Lao Ma
09-23-07, 01:28
Erik, what in the world are you talking about ? Standard pay for Chinese flight attendents is 3000 - 5000 rmb per month. I can't think that is more than most members of ISG make - that's even lower than what english teachers in China make

OldAsiaHand
09-23-07, 02:52
The recent topic on this thread seems to be how to pick-up potential freebies on the street, in the air, etc. Although free may be cheap, it can get expensive with dinners, drinks, gifts, etc.

Having said that, I believe the original intention of this thread was to provide a forum to discuss opportunities for cheap P4P.

The recent discussion may be better posted in the General Info or China Women Opinions threads.

Just my POV.

OAH

Albert Punter
09-24-07, 10:27
Basing on my experience and on what I have read in the forum, skin colour or tan doesn't seem to be a problem in catching girls here.
So, don't be shy and ask for phone numbers.
Worst thing may happen to you would be a kind refusal.


Mates,

I know that Chinese gals are awed by Caucasian men and also know that unfortunately they generally have a bit of negative view of Black men. (Have heard a lot and seen it too)

The question is: Whats the chance for someone who is of reddish tanned "italian" skin,bound to do in getting tel numbers.

I know i get stares but its no indicator. I remember in Xiamen it was a lot of nice stares but indifference in Shg.

Any input would be appreciated. :)

Cheers

Albert Punter
09-24-07, 10:31
OAH, you are perfectly right.

Also let me say that "cheap" doesn't mean "free" (in theory, of course).


The recent topic on this thread seems to be how to pick-up potential freebies on the street, in the air, etc. Although free may be cheap, it can get expensive with dinners, drinks, gifts, etc.

Having said that, I believe the original intention of this thread was to provide a forum to discuss opportunities for cheap P4P.

The recent discussion may be better posted in the General Info or China Women Opinions threads.

Just my POV.

OAH

Tile Man4
09-24-07, 13:34
OAH, you are perfectly right.

Also let me say that "cheap" doesn't mean "free" (in theory, of course).

OAH and Al Punter may be only half right. Free pussy can cost you more than you think in the long run. Most women have a longterm motive when they give it away or free. This will cost you dearly.

tile man

Bold Focker
09-26-07, 13:39
I will be coming to china for thre first time on the 7th November. I am undecided where to go of the 2 above places and need some advise on the best place for mongering.

I will be thee for 3 days b4 my flight back from hkg to UK.

can someone advise regarding quantity and quality of girls & prices.

Being a uk citizen I undestand i do not need a visa for macau but i do for Zhenshen. can anyone advise!

Old Mean Dog
09-26-07, 13:48
I will be coming to china for thre first time on the 7th November. I am undecided where to go of the 2 above places and need some advise on the best place for mongering.

I will be thee for 3 days b4 my flight back from hkg to UK.

can someone advise regarding quantity and quality of girls & prices.

Being a uk citizen I undestand i do not need a visa for macau but i do for Zhenshen. can anyone advise!You need a visa to enter mainland China, you can obtain one at almost any travel agency in HK. If you turn it in before 11-12, you can have it back same day by 4-5 pm.

Refer to the Shenzhen and Macau threads for detailed info on those two places.

-CPE

Phil1980
09-26-07, 14:12
You need a visa to enter mainland China, you can obtain one at almost any travel agency in HK. If you turn it in before 11-12, you can have it back same day by 4-5 pm.

Refer to the Shenzhen and Macau threads for detailed info on those two places.

-CPEIs this time period of several hours to obtain a visa also true for 30 day visas or only for the special 5-day Shenzhen visa you can get in Hong Kong?

Joinem
09-26-07, 14:31
Is this time period of several hours to obtain a visa also true for 30 day visas or only for the special 5-day Shenzhen visa you can get in Hong Kong?I have gotten both single entry and double entry, 30 day, visas overnight in HK, once tourist and once business. I can arrive just in time to check into my hotel, reach a hotel travel agent before they close at about 7:00 pm, give them my US passport, and get it back the next day about 1:30 pm. That gives me time to catch the ferry to Fu Yong, at the Shenzhen airport.

Good luck on your trip!

Bold Focker
09-26-07, 19:36
Thanks for your help! I have since confirmed that Uk passport holders do not need a Visa for Macau or Hkg. so my plan will be fly to Macau, boat to Hkg and then bus to shenzhen for the day visa is not required for day trips.
As there is no macau thread, can anyone help with info on the mongering scene in Macau and best area to stay where the action is!


OTE=CPExpat]You need a visa to enter mainland China, you can obtain one at almost any travel agency in HK. If you turn it in before 11-12, you can have it back same day by 4-5 pm.

Refer to the Shenzhen and Macau threads for detailed info on those two places.

-CPE[/QUOTE]

Johnny Chan
09-27-07, 05:20
Thanks for your help! I have since confirmed that Uk passport holders do not need a Visa for Macau or Hkg. so my plan will be fly to Macau, boat to Hkg and then bus to shenzhen for the day visa is not required for day trips.
As there is no macau thread, can anyone help with info on the mongering scene in Macau and best area to stay where the action is!The Macau thread is not under "China". It is under "Asia" and is at the same level as "China". There is a Hongkong thread there as well. Click on "Forums" above to get there. Have fun!

Chibi Asian
09-27-07, 07:40
I'm a guy who's currently working in dongguan, Dongcheng district. Know my way quite alright around here, so if anyone's coming, I wouldn't mind being a sort of guide around here. Although my Chinese isn't perfect, being an overseas born Chinese makes it really easy to fool most locals into thinking that I'm a local too.

Anyways, the 10-1 holidays is coming. My company has a pathetic-but-better-than-nothing 3 day break for us and I want to visit a place called "Xia Chuan Dao". A month ago, a local friend told me about the existance of an island, where by it's beach and beach sex combined and you can't even walk around without being followed by chicks who want to offer you sex in the morning, noon, afternoon and night.

Told me that the beach behind the hotel (didn't specify which hotel) is commonly known for nudity and people just doing it there at night. In any case, from what he's told me about it, I'm very very curious and want to visit it during this holiday.

So far, the only information he's given me about it is that it's in Tai Shan City, and an island called Xia Chuan Island. He said he went there by bus first, and then a ferry to the island, and then another bus to the hotel. Didn't really specify how I could get there.

Asked him to come along this upcoming holidays, but since he's a shopkeeper, he said he can't come along because people will be out buying furniture and stuff. Will be a busy time for him. Sigh.

Tried searching posts that has "Xia Chuan" in it but only found 3 posts on it, which are not very helpful. I want to know if anyone else here have been there recently, and want to go there too during the 10-1 holiday. For those who have, all information regarding the island would be really helpful. Especially on how to get there, and what the costs there are like. (From what I've heard, it's not expensive)

Blacklisted
09-28-07, 06:13
I'm a guy who's currently working in dongguan, Dongcheng district. Know my way quite alright around here, so if anyone's coming, I wouldn't mind being a sort of guide around here. Although my Chinese isn't perfect, being an overseas born Chinese makes it really easy to fool most locals into thinking that I'm a local too.

Anyways, the 10-1 holidays is coming. My company has a pathetic-but-better-than-nothing 3 day break for us and I want to visit a place called "Xia Chuan Dao". A month ago, a local friend told me about the existance of an island, where by it's beach and beach sex combined and you can't even walk around without being followed by chicks who want to offer you sex in the morning, noon, afternoon and night.

Told me that the beach behind the hotel (didn't specify which hotel) is commonly known for nudity and people just doing it there at night. In any case, from what he's told me about it, I'm very very curious and want to visit it during this holiday.

So far, the only information he's given me about it is that it's in Tai Shan City, and an island called Xia Chuan Island. He said he went there by bus first, and then a ferry to the island, and then another bus to the hotel. Didn't really specify how I could get there.

Asked him to come along this upcoming holidays, but since he's a shopkeeper, he said he can't come along because people will be out buying furniture and stuff. Will be a busy time for him. Sigh.

Tried searching posts that has "Xia Chuan" in it but only found 3 posts on it, which are not very helpful. I want to know if anyone else here have been there recently, and want to go there too during the 10-1 holiday. For those who have, all information regarding the island would be really helpful. Especially on how to get there, and what the costs there are like. (From what I've heard, it's not expensive)


Do let us know how you go, and perhaps Jackson will open a thread in honour of the place.

Old Mean Dog
09-28-07, 09:27
Is this time period of several hours to obtain a visa also true for 30 day visas or only for the special 5-day Shenzhen visa you can get in Hong Kong?


You can get a Business or Tourist Visa at most all travel agencies in HK, not sure about one year visas, but I used to get even 6 month visas same day as long as I turned it in before their deadline for same day service.

I don't know the run down on countries that are not allowed to get the 5 day SEZ Visa but I know Americans (possibly Canada and England also) are not eligible for this visa.

Here is a good company in HK for visas:

http://www.chinavisa168.com/reliable.htm

if you are an American, double the price for the visa *lots of love*.

-CPE

Superforce99
09-28-07, 10:25
i'm a guy who's currently working in dongguan, dongcheng district. know my way quite alright around here, so if anyone's coming, i wouldn't mind being a sort of guide around here. although my chinese isn't perfect, being an overseas born chinese makes it really easy to fool most locals into thinking that i'm a local too.

anyways, the 10-1 holidays is coming. my company has a pathetic-but-better-than-nothing 3 day break for us and i want to visit a place called "xia chuan dao". a month ago, a local friend told me about the existance of an island, where by it's beach and beach sex combined and you can't even walk around without being followed by chicks who want to offer you sex in the morning, noon, afternoon and night.

told me that the beach behind the hotel (didn't specify which hotel) is commonly known for nudity and people just doing it there at night. in any case, from what he's told me about it, i'm very very curious and want to visit it during this holiday.

so far, the only information he's given me about it is that it's in tai shan city, and an island called xia chuan island. he said he went there by bus first, and then a ferry to the island, and then another bus to the hotel. didn't really specify how i could get there.

asked him to come along this upcoming holidays, but since he's a shopkeeper, he said he can't come along because people will be out buying furniture and stuff. will be a busy time for him. sigh.

tried searching posts that has "xia chuan" in it but only found 3 posts on it, which are not very helpful. i want to know if anyone else here have been there recently, and want to go there too during the 10-1 holiday. for those who have, all information regarding the island would be really helpful. especially on how to get there, and what the costs there are like. (from what i've heard, it's not expensive)

this information was relayed to me by an experienced local chinese monger friend who has been mongering for years all over south china:

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this place is nearby the city of taishan and probably the most well-known city nearby would be zhuhai. a bus ride from zh is about 2.5 hours and then from the taishan bus stop, it's another 30 minutes or so to the ferry port where you board a boat to xia chuan or xiang chuan (lower/upper island).

he describes xia chuan as similar to what hainan island was like a few years ago when rules and regulations were more fast and loose in china: kind of isolated, not very developed, and uniquely "china". but in general, it is not wall to wall girls, but more like like cp where there are gals everywhere but you need to look just under the surface to find them all. the place has tried to become somewhat more "family-friendly" in recent years and many of the gals are confined to certain areas around the hotels and rep001tered bbss about. prices are 150-200 rmb st and 400-500 lt. the girls themselves are not particularly great, and many would rate 5-7 or "average".

the hotels, restaurants, and gals are all concentrated in one "commercial" area that you need to ride a shuttle bus to/from the ferry port, which is a pain. food is good, not great, and fresh seafood dishes are the specialty, though not particularly cheap. not very crowded in general, but more than a few taiwanese, hk, malaysian, singapore, and other asian tourists mixed in with the majority chinese tourists.

overall, my friend says that you might go there if you want a beach experience with your mongering, but on most details, especially quality/quantity of girls and convienence of location, cp would rate far above these "secret love islands". and for a beach experience, he preferred hainan which also has the advantage of being only a 30-45 minute away by plane from most cities in guangdong.

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i've never been to xia chuan personally and i'm not persuaded to go based on my friend's description, but if you want to be able to have a "been there, done that" experience, then i guess you could go. the way i see it, there should be few really hot gals on this island because i can't imagine girls making more money being stuck on a dinky, hard-to-reach resort island, when they could make big bucks in places like zhuhai / dg / sz where there are regular boatloads/trainloads of mongers being delivered daily.

hope this helps.

j

Blacklisted
09-29-07, 05:26
Nice to know we're not missing out on the Shangri-La of the mongering world!

Csun213
09-30-07, 02:13
this information was relayed to me by an experienced local chinese monger friend who has been mongering for years all over south china:

=====

this place is nearby the city of taishan and probably the most well-known city nearby would be zhuhai. a bus ride from zh is about 2.5 hours and then from the taishan bus stop, it's another 30 minutes or so to the ferry port where you board a boat to xia chuan or xiang chuan (lower/upper island).

he describes xia chuan as similar to what hainan island was like a few years ago when rules and regulations were more fast and loose in china: kind of isolated, not very developed, and uniquely "china". but in general, it is not wall to wall girls, but more like like cp where there are gals everywhere but you need to look just under the surface to find them all. the place has tried to become somewhat more "family-friendly" in recent years and many of the gals are confined to certain areas around the hotels and rep001tered bbss about. prices are 150-200 rmb st and 400-500 lt. the girls themselves are not particularly great, and many would rate 5-7 or "average".

the hotels, restaurants, and gals are all concentrated in one "commercial" area that you need to ride a shuttle bus to/from the ferry port, which is a pain. food is good, not great, and fresh seafood dishes are the specialty, though not particularly cheap. not very crowded in general, but more than a few taiwanese, hk, malaysian, singapore, and other asian tourists mixed in with the majority chinese tourists.

overall, my friend says that you might go there if you want a beach experience with your mongering, but on most details, especially quality/quantity of girls and convienence of location, cp would rate far above these "secret love islands". and for a beach experience, he preferred hainan which also has the advantage of being only a 30-45 minute away by plane from most cities in guangdong.

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i've never been to xia chuan personally and i'm not persuaded to go based on my friend's description, but if you want to be able to have a "been there, done that" experience, then i guess you could go. the way i see it, there should be few really hot gals on this island because i can't imagine girls making more money being stuck on a dinky, hard-to-reach resort island, when they could make big bucks in places like zhuhai / dg / sz where there are regular boatloads/trainloads of mongers being delivered daily.

hope this helps.

j

i have been there a few years ago. it is a small island with nothing to do except the girls. there are probably 800-1000 girls there. the customers are almost all taiwan guys. the cost is 200rmb for short time and 400rmb for long time.

there are no 3-4 star hotels. most of the hotels are 2 stories with maybe 10 rooms each. most of the guys go there to play cards, ktv and do the girls.

i asked some taiwan guys why they go there instead of zhu hai or cp, their answer was that they might meet someone they know that works in either place. if they do meet someone they know at the island, then they are doing the samething therefore no fear.

in my opinion, the girls looks about the same. the girls go there because they charge the same price, their cost of living is a lot less and little chance of running into someone they might know from back home since there are no industry there.

in my opinion, it is not worth going there since it will take you about 3-4 hours to go there from zhu hai.

Weelock
09-30-07, 04:59
I have been there a few years ago. It is a small island with nothing to do except the girls. There are probably 800-1000 girls there. The customers are almost all Taiwan guys. The cost is 200rmb for short time and 400rmb for long time.

There are no 3-4 star hotels. Most of the hotels are 2 stories with maybe 10 rooms each. Most of the guys go there to play cards, KTV and do the girls.

I asked some Taiwan guys why they go there instead of Zhu Hai or CP, their answer was that they might meet someone they know that works in either place. If they do meet someone they know at the island, then they are doing the samething therefore no fear.

In my opinion, the girls looks about the same. The girls go there because they charge the same price, their cost of living is a lot less and little chance of running into someone they might know from back home since there are no industry there.

In my opinion, it is not worth going there since it will take you about 3-4 hours to go there from Zhu Hai.

Csun123:

Which island did you go to? There are two, islands, Shang Chun and Xi Chun Dao. It seems like it's called differently from Cantonese and Mandarin.

I finally went to Shang Chun last year around May. Took the number 10 bus from Taishan to a port. The ride was about 1.5 hours. It's more of a family tourist resort. There's plenty of kids running around. Mostly small hotels from 90 to 200 RMB a night. Unfortunately, I was a group of people with kids and did not stay over night. We got there at 10:00am and left before 4:30pm the same day. When leaving, we waited over 1.5 hour for the boat because it doesn't leave until it fills most of their seats. There is no time table or schedule departure times.

I noticed there were some girls in a few of the hotels but it was too early. Unfortunately, we also left early and I did not have time to check out the place futher like the night action. I did get one quoted for $200 ST from one place during the afternoon. As most of us know, girls don't really show up until later in the evening. I was thinking about exploring the other island but now I don't know.



The attached images have no girls:

Cgwasia
10-15-07, 20:18
To everyone out there.. I am moving from Taipei to Panyu for business and was interested in interesting places nearby (obviously panyu is not that exciting unless someone can correct me). How long to get to Foshan from Panyu ? Canton ? Anyother places ? Girls ? ETc Etc... thanks for the help !


Csun123:

Which island did you go to? There are two, islands, Shang Chun and Xi Chun Dao. It seems like it's called differently from Cantonese and Mandarin.

I finally went to Shang Chun last year around May. Took the number 10 bus from Taishan to a port. The ride was about 1.5 hours. It's more of a family tourist resort. There's plenty of kids running around. Mostly small hotels from 90 to 200 RMB a night. Unfortunately, I was a group of people with kids and did not stay over night. We got there at 10:00am and left before 4:30pm the same day. When leaving, we waited over 1.5 hour for the boat because it doesn't leave until it fills most of their seats. There is no time table or schedule departure times.

I noticed there were some girls in a few of the hotels but it was too early. Unfortunately, we also left early and I did not have time to check out the place futher like the night action. I did get one quoted for $200 ST from one place during the afternoon. As most of us know, girls don't really show up until later in the evening. I was thinking about exploring the other island but now I don't know.

The attached images have no girls:

Munk305
10-17-07, 16:11
Young girls special BBBJ-CIM, Im a frequent guest, the street has about 12-15 BBS (50 CNY max 30 min)

When you come, the girl continue till you are empty!

Then a lot the standard chinese spitting.

I get a very good service, and would like to give a tip 20 CNY more my girl, but she refuse to take more than the agreed 50CNY?

Bull Dozer
10-25-07, 02:00
Hi, what city are these BBS in? do you have any phone numbers of the BBS please. THX

GJ

QUOTE=Munk305]Young girls special BBBJ-CIM, Im a frequent guest, the street has about 12-15 BBS (50 CNY max 30 min)

When you come, the girl continue till you are empty!

Then a lot the standard chinese spitting.

I get a very good service, and would like to give a tip 20 CNY more my girl, but she refuse to take more than the agreed 50CNY?[/QUOTE]

OldAsiaHand
10-28-07, 16:20
Run a search on the Guangzhou thread for Panyu. Hint: Shi Qiao is the key town in Panyu. I have posted several reports on the area

OAH




To everyone out there.. I am moving from Taipei to Panyu for business and was interested in interesting places nearby (obviously panyu is not that exciting unless someone can correct me). How long to get to Foshan from Panyu ? Canton ? Anyother places ? Girls ? ETc Etc... thanks for the help !

Cowa Banga
10-28-07, 22:01
Wow! Never heard of an English corner.

This board rules!

Thanks for sharing fellas.

Dar425
11-07-07, 20:13
Young girls special BBBJ-CIM, Im a frequent guest, the street has about 12-15 BBS (50 CNY max 30 min)

When you come, the girl continue till you are empty!

Then a lot the standard chinese spitting.

I get a very good service, and would like to give a tip 20 CNY more my girl, but she refuse to take more than the agreed 50CNY?


I think Munk305 is talking about the city of Xi'an in Shannxi province. There is a bus station located on Yu Xiangmen Lu/Road, so it must be near there. The bus station is located in the north-west side of the main part of the city center.

Hopefully Munk305 can give better directions, landmarks, etc, to the street of BBS there.

Dar

Jayson420
11-08-07, 00:23
I have heard good reports about Chinese Friend Finder and using it to set up freebies.

Can anyone share their opinion on it? Or you can PM me.

Also is it worth the subscription to get the ability to look at their pictures and get their contact info?

Does anyone have a subscription that you wouldn't mind letting me use your username and PW for a bit to check it out. You can PM me with any details.

Thanks Bros,

Jayson

Qball
11-09-07, 14:51
Not to sound like a dick, but it is only about 50RMB for 3 months. I am a new member on there and haven't gotten freebies yet. I think it is worth the fee just to check out some of the photos.

When I was a free member, I got to see some small pictures and I was like whoa! Hot girl but then it is a different story when you see a bigger photo and more of it. As far as I know, you do not get to see their contact information unless they post it or let you know.

Have fun.


I have heard good reports about Chinese Friend Finder and using it to set up freebies.

Can anyone share their opinion on it? Or you can PM me.

Also is it worth the subscription to get the ability to look at their pictures and get their contact info?

Does anyone have a subscription that you wouldn't mind letting me use your username and PW for a bit to check it out. You can PM me with any details.

Thanks Bros,

Jayson

Tile Man4
11-14-07, 03:57
I have heard good reports about Chinese Friend Finder and using it to set up freebies.

Can anyone share their opinion on it? Or you can PM me.

Also is it worth the subscription to get the ability to look at their pictures and get their contact info?

Does anyone have a subscription that you wouldn't mind letting me use your username and PW for a bit to check it out. You can PM me with any details.

Thanks Bros,

Jayson

99% of the woman on AFF are looking for a husband and 90% of the 99% are just looking for a green card and sugar daddy. These Make-up-pictures of chinese women are the best in the world. Tell her to send you a real picture when she gets up in the morning , you may change your mind when you get a real picture. IMHO you can do better other ways if you read the forum. Sure , you can score on AFF , but it takes time.

Take care and be safe

tile man

Old Mean Dog
11-14-07, 04:15
99% of the woman on AFF are looking for a husband and 90% of the 99% are just looking for a green card and sugar daddy. These Make-up-pictures of chinese women are the best in the world. Tell her to send you a real picture when she gets up in the morning , you may change your mind when you get a real picture.

Take care and be safe

tile man

This I can agree too 110% because I am in this business. I think I have only run across a handful of girls that look the same or better then their beauty photos and we are talking 100's of girls here.

Always ask for some vacation, family photos!!

-CPE

Old Mean Dog
11-14-07, 07:34
Hey is it true that American got to pay more than Canadians for a Chinese Visa? I heard that some Asians can go to China for 15 days without a visa, is that true, or just a rumor?

True, Americans pay more for visas, it's double the advertised price at HK travel agents.

-CPE

Intransit
11-14-07, 08:05
The U.S. visa arrangement with China is, like every other visa arrangement, mutual. When the U.S. raised its fees for Chinese applicants, China did the same for U.S. applicants. If you don't like the price of your China visa, tell your Congressman to lean on INS to lower their prices.

Kunshan
11-14-07, 09:05
Singaporeans get a two week visa on arrival,,i think the same for Japanese and Malaysians?

SlimGuy
11-14-07, 15:10
Singaporeans get a two week visa on arrival,,i think the same for Japanese and Malaysians?
Malaysians need to apply/pay for visa, either a single or double entry visa. :)

Phil1980
11-14-07, 16:50
Singaporeans get a two week visa on arrival,,i think the same for Japanese and Malaysians?


Why are Asians put at an advantage versus Europeans? They fear we will stretch their vaginas beyond usefulness?

Hainanien
11-15-07, 04:12
September '07. I paid 1400 HK dollars for a double entry 30 day L visa In Hong Kong.

October '07. I paid 160 RMB for a 30 day L visa In Guangxi, Nanning, China.

November '07. I paid 760 RMB for a single entry 30 day L visa In Yunnan, Dali, China.

It appears the Dali & HK are the current prices nowadays for U. S. Passport holders in China & HK, not sure why NN only charged 160.

The HK one was through a travel agency in Kawloon, I paid extra 200 HK$ for same day service.

Nanning is an easy place to extend / renew a visa with no help, simple process, they should be charging the 760rmb by now. The November one was done in Dali, walked in & out in 25 minutes with new visa in hand, very simple to do on your own.

Each province will have different "interpretations" of the rules & requirements for getting an extension, And they often change. Itís basically simple to do on your own but will take up to 5 working days to process. You Can use a copy of your passport And the receipt the visa office gives you to check into hotels, so no need actually stay in whichever city you renew in while they process. (they will have your passport)

What you need to get an extension, I believe for any country passport holder. You're allowed 2. 30 day L (L = tourist) extensions In country;

1) Passport with enough time remaining to overlast the visa applying for.

2) Copies from passport Ė page with picture, name & expiry dates Ė page with current visa Ė page with last entry stamp. (keep a copy of these for yourself while yer at it)

3) Proof of residence Ė either from your local PSB nearest your home if you have one in that city, Or Ė from any hotel that is permitted to house "foreigners", the form you fill out when checking in, it holds all your passport info & the dates youíre staying, the one turned in to the local coppers Every night, you can ask the fine, hardworking, ever helpful & courteous folks at the hotel to make a copy of it for you. Make Sure to get their red stamp on the copy!

4) Headshot photo, passport size, bring 4 just in case.

5) Law requires that you Show proof that you have the equivalent of $100 U. S. A day living expenses. Credit card, bank statement with your name or cash. *Not all offices will ask for this.

6) a Smile & pleasant tone while dealing with the fine, hardworking, ever helpful & courteous, foreign language speaking staff behind the counter, often, it is That person that decides If you get renewed easily or not.

Or. Forget the trouble & go to countries that allow you in without a visa.

SE Asia Joe
11-16-07, 05:30
OK Guys:
You guys are NOT applying for your PRC visa the easiest, cheapest and safest way. First - you do NOT ask any travel agent and definitely NOT China Travel to do your visa application. When you do that, you pay a mark-up to these agents PLUS you are handing over your passport to a civilian from whom you cannot get any official recourse from should they lose it or drop it somewhere etc.
What you need to do is go straight to the Consular Department of the PRC Foreign Ministry, Hong Kong at:
7th Floor, Lower Block, China Resources Building,
No.26, Harbor Road, Wanchai, Hong Kong SAR
Office Hours
Monday to Friday (except Hong Kong public holidays,)
9:00-12:00 14:00-17:00
http://www.fmcoprc.gov.hk/eng/zgqz/qzlb/default.htm
There you make your application yourself and pay the rock bottom official price and get an official receipt for your travel document.
As far as fees are concerned - the PRC charges reciprocal to what the foreign government charges their PRC nationals for a visa to enter their country - and thus the varying charges for different nationalities. NO question about Nanking massacre or who they favor or whatever else.
So guys, if you want to complain about what the PRC charges for YOUR visa application - complain to your own congressman or senator or whoever else you complain to about the level of charges YOUR government charges for visa applications!
On top of that - you guys with "Western passports" - you gotta see the rigamarole that YOUR consulate/embassies put Non-Resident-Aliens
through when applying for visas to your country! Totally ridicullous
SE Asia Joe

Ontario Boy
11-16-07, 06:34
OK Guys:
On top of that - you guys with "Western passports" - you gotta see the rigamarole that YOUR consulate/embassies put Non-Resident-Aliens
through when applying for visas to your country! Totally ridicullous
SE Asia Joe

Agree completely with Joe. I also hold a Canadian passport, like Mr Olson, and have gotten a Visa in Hong Kong in 24 hours . On the other hand , a few years ago we wanted to have some Chinese family members come over to canada for a short visit of less than a month. All the visitors had good jobs and lives in China and had no intention of staying in Canada. To get them in we had to first issue letters of invitation and then submit proof of income and sign financial guarantees The process from application to visa issue took about 6weeks and I was told that was quick.

Imagine if we had to do that when coming to China. Admitted more people want to emmigrate from China to Canada then the other way but the Chinese government has the right under international law to apply exactly the same standards to Canadians wanting to visit China.

OldAsiaHand
11-16-07, 07:30
What does all this visa shit have to do with Cheap Sex in China? Should it not be on the General Info thread?

Where's the pussy at?

OAH

SE Asia Joe
11-16-07, 07:39
What does all this visa shit have to do with Cheap Sex in China? Should it not be on the General Info thread?

Where's the pussy at?

OAH
But at least my info was on the Cheapest way to get a visa into China - so sort of something to do with cheap sex in china??!!
Besides which, this guy - and his 'superior' Cnanadian passport - kept on slagging the China visa procedure - and that sort of got to me.
SE Asia Joe

Ragnarok42
11-26-07, 02:04
I'll be traveling around China for at least a month or so. I'll only have a little bit of money to spend during my stay. I can't pay tourist prices for girls, so do you think I can get some shags (not stunners) from so-so girls for $10 or less? I'm not going to any of the big eastern cities, and I'm willing to go anywhere, just as long as I can get some cheap pussy.

Again, I don't care if she is 35 years old or so-so. I just want some cheap shags, at least one or twice a day.

Thanks

Do we really have to listen to this beg us for info? $10 or less? If we knew any, we would have told you by now. Have a hard enough time trying to buy a meal here for less than that. Do some leg work, use your charm and stop acting as if we were withholding information from you.

Do what I did when I was backpacking on a limited budget....pick up girl either in the hostel or in cafes, or bring some porno and whack away every chance you get.

Bnlee2
11-26-07, 03:06
I'll be traveling around China for at least a month or so. I'll only have a little bit of money to spend during my stay. I can't pay tourist prices for girls, so do you think I can get some shags (not stunners) from so-so girls for $10 or less? I'm not going to any of the big eastern cities, and I'm willing to go anywhere, just as long as I can get some cheap pussy.

Again, I don't care if she is 35 years old or so-so. I just want some cheap shags, at least one or twice a day.

Thanks

Cheap M.

You have a problem of not listening or cannot comprehend what you have read. You keep asking the same question. Are you related to the other ISG member S. Olson. It seems like you guys have a bit of a social problem. Maybe if you want some real cheap pussy is to head out to the countryside and just mount some farmers' livestock. You sound as if you never had pussy.

You should spend some time and just RTFF. Read it again and again until you understand how to hunt for pussy. You remind me a person that have a hard time getting it together in his life.

Your whining is getting just a bit too pathetic. Maybe getting together with S. Olson will help... like in math.. double negative gets a positive number.

Moody
11-26-07, 04:08
I'll be traveling around China for at least a month or so. I'll only have a little bit of money to spend during my stay. I can't pay tourist prices for girls, so do you think I can get some shags (not stunners) from so-so girls for $10 or less? I'm not going to any of the big eastern cities, and I'm willing to go anywhere, just as long as I can get some cheap pussy.

Again, I don't care if she is 35 years old or so-so. I just want some cheap shags, at least one or twice a day.

Thanks

There's tons of places where you can get girls for $10 or less. You have to know the secret handshake though or they charge you the foreigner rate.

Joking aside, unless you speak some Mandarin you're never gonna find it. Also, since these kinds of places tend to be locals only, unless you're Asian, you're gonna have a tough time even getting in.

Cheap Meat
11-26-07, 07:53
My name is cheap meat for a reason. I look for cheap sex because I don't have much money. I didn't have sex until I was 25 or 26. I didn't have the money to spend on girls when I was younger. I don't' have a wife to give me sex at home, so my trips overseas are the only chance I have to get laid.

Over the last year I have been traveling all over Asia looking for the 'promised land' of affordable sex and beautiful women. I think I've found it in Cambodia. But it might be China. I have to find out.

I want to stay as long as I can and get as much sex as possible. The less I spend on sex, the longer I can stay. I'm currently searching for a bride to bring back home, but until then I'm just going to have to use prostitutes.

I don't think that these Chinese brothels are Chinese only. Why would they exclude me? Besides, what I may end up doing is just flashing some cash in front of maids and waitresses. It's a last resort if the brothels quote me stupid prices or refuse me entry. I know sex is as cheap in China as it is in Thailand. Otherwise, how the hell would an average Chinese guy afford to pay what you guys quote? Did you know that some Chinese only make a few hundred dollars a year, even today?

OldAsiaHand
11-27-07, 05:03
Cheap Meat:

You got off to a bad start on this forum with your attitude towards your quest in China. You continue the same attitude with this post. There is plenty of cheap sex available in China, but you will not find any help on this board with your attitude.

Just my POV.

OAH




My name is cheap meat for a reason. I look for cheap sex because I don't have much money. I didn't have sex until I was 25 or 26. I didn't have the money to spend on girls when I was younger. I don't' have a wife to give me sex at home, so my trips overseas are the only chance I have to get laid.

Over the last year I have been traveling all over Asia looking for the 'promised land' of affordable sex and beautiful women. I think I've found it in Cambodia. But it might be China. I have to find out.

I want to stay as long as I can and get as much sex as possible. The less I spend on sex, the longer I can stay. I'm currently searching for a bride to bring back home, but until then I'm just going to have to use prostitutes.

I don't think that these Chinese brothels are Chinese only. Why would they exclude me? Besides, what I may end up doing is just flashing some cash in front of maids and waitresses. It's a last resort if the brothels quote me stupid prices or refuse me entry. I know sex is as cheap in China as it is in Thailand. Otherwise, how the hell would an average Chinese guy afford to pay what you guys quote? Did you know that some Chinese only make a few hundred dollars a year, even today?

Furias
11-27-07, 06:27
Over the last year I have been traveling all over Asia looking for the 'promised land' of affordable sex and beautiful women. I think I've found it in Cambodia. But it might be China. I have to find out...

...I'm currently searching for a bride to bring back home, but until then I'm just going to have to use prostitutes.Wow, this forum can certainly be entertaining. CM, you're on the Walmart Budget Tours Mongering Package of Greater China and have decided to use it to interview potential brides? Do you even speak Mandarin? It sounds as if you're not looking for a wife, but rather an ayi (maid) to have sex with.

Many Chinese make more than a few hundred dollars a year, especially in the cities. The Chinese brothels will refuse you if they think you're shenjing bing, which sounds like a distinct possibility. If you would learn the language and respect the culture life would be easier.

My advice to you. Go back to Cambodia. You will not find what you're looking for here.

Chocha Monger
11-27-07, 06:44
Cheap M.

Maybe if you want some real cheap pussy is to head out to the countryside and just mount some farmers' livestock. You sound as if you never had pussy.

Cheap Meat,
Perhaps you should take Bnlee2's advice and save yourself some trouble.

Ragnarok42
11-27-07, 08:14
You got off to a bad start on this forum with your attitude towards your quest in China. You continue the same attitude with this post. There is plenty of cheap sex available in China, but you will not find any help on this board with your attitude.

I agree, you seem to think we are withholding information or you are just not listening. Listen, if you are looking for a wife, China is the place to be. Women will do lots of things to be married and leave to live overseas. If you can't even talk yourself into a girl's bed dangling this type of bait we really cannot help you.

You sound a like an OK guy, confused and horny, but OK. Take some time off to let our advice sink in, play your hand with whatever assests you have and stop posting for a while. The general replies you have been getting from this board should some indication that you will not get any help if you continue to say and do what you have been doing these last few weeks.

Good luck and happy hunting.

Red Rock II
11-27-07, 08:23
Cheap Meat,

Your story sounds pathetic, but I believe that you are sincere. You are honest about your current situation and the intention of your trip to China. There is nothing wrong with it. But I have to tell you that going all the way to China just to find cheap sex isnít going to be cheap. Unless you have local connections, it will be difficult for you to find the places that offer cheap sex even you may speak the language. Remember, unlike Thailand, prostitution is illegal in China. If you got caught by LE, the fine is about 700 USD or 5000 RMB.

Yes, you are right. There are quite few people in China that make less than a few hundreds of dollars per year. Where do they find their needs if they donít have a wife or a girl friend at home? Even in China, those people are at the bottom of society. Most of them are construction workers who come from remote area. They properly know the places that they can get cheap sex for less $10. But they have their own connections. How can you, as a foreign traveler, find the places?

Instead of spending money on P4P, you may focus on finding someone who would like to marry you by putting your profile on some of the dating sites such as AFF. There are tons of women in China that would like to marry someone who can bring them to the United States. Hook up with a few before you go. Once you get there, you will have a place to stay, and get sex for free. From that point on, you may seek places in the area for the taste of the variety.

Forget about the idea of backpacking China and also finding the cheap sex with less than $10. You may end up with losing all your money before you even find one.

Lex Moon
11-27-07, 08:37
Cheap Meat,

Most ISG members are very helpful if you post the right questions and don't offend anyone. I suggest that you apologize to those members that you have offended. You may be surprised the amount of help you may get.

Which country to do you come from? It may be possible to get cheap sex but you must know some local network. As foreigners, I think it is easier to find freebies than cheap sex. Unlike other countries, freebies are really easy to find in China.

Hope this will help you in your travel quest. Again remember not to offend anyone in the board to get help.

Ace Gallant
11-27-07, 08:48
I want to stay as long as I can and get as much sex as possible. The less I spend on sex, the longer I can stay. I'm currently searching for a bride to bring back home, but until then I'm just going to have to use prostitutes.Now I am confused! Are you looking for a Wife or looking for Cheap Sex or both?

If you are looking for a Wife in China to be brought back to the States with you, my advice: Contact Member CPexpat from the Dongguan thread, that's his business.

If you just looking for Cheap Sex, there's a lot in China. An example is the Catacombs. What? You do not know what and where is it? RTFF!

If you are looking for a wife that do not mind have sex with you cheaply than I think you are looking in the wrong place! I do not understand why would anyone want to do that? Having a wife that you paid for cheap sex is bringing a time bomb into your house! Its a matter of time before she find someone better and blow up with you to go to latch to the other guy!

Enjoy!

AG

Zhuren
11-27-07, 09:47
What the frick is wrong with you? You come here for advice, but you don't listen to it when given to you. You have your pre-conceived notions, and you don't want to shed them. Most of us live here, worked hard and paid dearly for their expertise, but no, you don't want to listen.

I didn't have money when I was your age. Nevertheless, my first sex was at age 16, and it was with two girls, on my 16th birthday. That was the age of consent in the country I lived. I was street-legal. They wanted to give me a nice birthday present without spending any money.

Boy do we know that many Chinese make just a few hundred dollar a year. But they also have something called pride. If you think they sell their daughters to a backpacker for $10, then don't even waste the money for a visa. I think I'm not alone in the hope that it will be denied.

I can get a girl from the villages for $1000 a year - as a maid. She will give $500 to her parents. I will have to clothe her, feed her, give her a bed to sleep, pay for her medical bills. She will be a virgin. And I will have to promise her father - IN WRITING - that she will return home as a virgin.

What would you say to someone who comes to America and says: "I've heard there are millions of homeless in the USA with zero income. It must be possible to get a fuck for $5?" I know what you would tell him.

You are coming to China with pre-conceived notions that for the most part are all wrong. You come from a country that is in a tizzy about exploitation of the "poor Chinese," and you want to do some exploiting on the cheap. Forget about it. This is a world power, and the most populous country in the world. It's GDP growth is 11%. Its history and culture are the most ancient on the planet. Shanghai and Beijing put Manhattan to same. China is the world's second largest car market. Its foreign exchange reserves are about 1500 BILLION USD - that amounts to 1000 $ in foreign reserves alone per man, woman, and child in all on China. China just sent a probe to the moon. If you think this country is just waiting for you, think again.

And if you know everything about cheap sex in China, then stop asking stupid questions. Do what you know, and enlighten the rest of us where we can find sex for 10 bucks. On second thought, staying in Cambodia may be best for all involved. I wouldn't set a foot into that country ....

If you want cheap meat: Your hand is your friend. Do us all a favor: Stay away.

PS: Actually, it's a very bad time to come to China for cheap meat - the price of pork rose 85%.



My name is cheap meat for a reason. I look for cheap sex because I don't have much money. I didn't have sex until I was 25 or 26. I didn't have the money to spend on girls when I was younger. I don't' have a wife to give me sex at home, so my trips overseas are the only chance I have to get laid.

Over the last year I have been traveling all overAsia looking for the 'promised land' of affordable sex and beautiful women. I think I've found it in Cambodia. But it might be China. I have to find out.

I want to stay as long as I can and get as much sex as possible. The less I spend on sex, the longer I can stay. I'm currently searching for a bride to bring back home, but until then I'm just going to have to use prostitutes.

I don't think that these Chinese brothels are Chinese only. Why would they exclude me? Besides, what I may end up doing is just flashing some cash in front of maids and waitresses. It's a last resort if the brothels quote me stupid prices or refuse me entry. I know sex is as cheap in China as it is in Thailand. Otherwise, how the hell would an average Chinese guy afford to pay what you guys quote? Did you know that some Chinese only make a few hundred dollars a year, even today?

Ragnarok42
11-27-07, 10:09
Could we ALL then agree to stop answering Cheap Meat's posts?

We are wasting our time even reading and reacting to his posts, if he is too thick skulled to listen. He lives in a world of his own creation, devoid of cheap sex and few material pleasures (kinda makes me think he is Amish). Now that would be a sight, an Amish backpacker hunting the backwater Chinese villages for cheap pussy. Please tell me you are Amish so there is so sense to your twisted little mind.

In the meantime lets all concentrate on the topic at hand - mongering. Spending so much time talked to him about it we are forgetting to go out and do it. I for one would much rather read about the antics of our fellow brothers than waste my time reading all our responses to this wierdo.

Just my 2 RMB.

Zhuren
11-27-07, 12:29
I have a solution for Cheap Meat: Instead of paying, he could earn! He could marry a middle-aged Chinese, maybe a divorce from Shenzen with a lot of money, who's looking for a green card (or a permanent residency in an equivalent country.) I hear the going rate for said arrangement is between $10000 and $20000 ..... Maybe, just maybe he could even consummate that marriage ...

OldAsiaHand
11-27-07, 15:56
The last I heard the going rate was $65,000.


I have a solution for Cheap Meat: Instead of paying, he could earn! He could marry a middle-aged Chinese, maybe a divorce from Shenzen with a lot of money, who's looking for a green card (or a permanent residency in an equivalent country.) I hear the going rate for said arrangement ist between $10000 and $20000 ..... Maybe, just maybe he could even consummate that marriage ...

Old Mean Dog
11-27-07, 16:46
The last I heard the going rate was $65,000.


Holy Crap, the last I was quoted was $3,000 USD and a HK ID. The gal was a mainlander who married a HK guy and got divorced, she had a HK ID but it was more like a HK green card.

-CPE

Zhuren
11-28-07, 03:50
The last I heard the going rate was $65,000.

Prices are going up, despite of what some may have heard ..

Intransit
11-28-07, 06:33
Guys,

We went through this on this board earlier this year. The reason the "Cheap Sex" thread was created for China was because a guy named Midea started libeling yours truly and Sammy T and other respected members for being "grand poobahs" who were spending too much and getting too little, in his opinion. Eventually he lost interest in winding up everyone on the board and apparently went back to nailing supermarket check-out girls.

If Cheap Meat wants to do whatever, he can do that, regardless of what we think about it. The same is true for us. If you're not keen on his posts, put him on your ignore list, and the world will become a nicer place again. Otherwise, forget it and move on.

Infomatic
11-28-07, 16:27
I see it otherwise. I think that CM works for the bureau. And they are using this forum to locate where mongers are marketing their pleasures. The more we post, the more they shut them down.

Large "Institutions" remain open for they are regulated and well taxed.

This forum is a truthful resource where to find pinpoint locations, addresses, directions, hours, names, detailed descriptions and I have even seen tel No. As well as business cards.

My answer to you CM: Try your left hand.

Ragnarok42
11-29-07, 01:00
I see it otherwise. I think that CM works for the bureau. And they are using this forum to locate where mongers are marketing their pleasures. The more we post, the more they shut them down.



There is the slightest chance that is true but then again I would give him that much credit. Most of these establishments are already well known to the local authorities so there is really no surprise there.

Lets just continue to ignore the guy and get on with our pursuits.

Ace Gallant
11-29-07, 02:46
There is the slightest chance that is true but then again I would give him that much credit. Most of these establishments are already well known to the local authorities so there is really no surprise there.

Lets just continue to ignore the guy and get on with our pursuits.Well, if that is true, it does serves its purpose because using this method, he can find out where are our new hunting grounds.

Enjoy!

AG

Tile Man4
11-29-07, 03:06
There is the slightest chance that is true but then again I would give him that much credit. Most of these establishments are already well known to the local authorities so there is really no surprise there.

Lets just continue to ignore the guy and get on with our pursuits.

Western mongers , I will bet my 2 ball only make up 1% use of prostitution or maybe even as low as 1/10th of 1%. We are just a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) hole in the snow users of prostitution . there would be a rebellion in China and HK if they shut down prostitution. Its a Chinese man's civil rights to play around. Just my POV.

Take care and be safe.

tile man

Infomatic
11-29-07, 18:35
Don't be childish, it wasn't my point.

My point is that they want to know exactly where we go, what we do, how, when, why. We are the "laowai" [out of the circle] they will do what ever to keep us "out of their circle".

Tezcatlipoca
11-30-07, 01:23
I am at a loss. I feel sufficiently nonplussed by my sexual misadventures that I am reconsidering my future in Beijing. When I arrived here in June of this year, I assumed I would quickly find a Chinese girl friend and all would be well. I was a bit surprised when the first three candidates for the position vanished after I invited them to my apartment. My reason for inviting them there was to provide a quiet environment where we could chat. Being a gentleman I had no ulterior motives, though I respect the fact that they could not know that The preference for a quiet environment derives from my absolute loathing of Beijing crowds and traffic. I am, truly, a bit manic in my dislike for the crowds and traffic. I accepted the situation, got stung a couple of times once by foolishly accepting an invitation to visit a lady bar when I had only 600 rmb, where I was soon cleaned out of cash on hand, only to find that the very beautiful woman I was sitting with would not come home with me anyway. I was stung another time when picked up on Wangfujing in much the same manner by a lady who picked me up under the guise of practicing her English with me. These experiences have made me wary of KTV. So, a couple of times I checked out the local BBS around where I live. It's rare to find an attractive woman in a BBS. When I found one she insisted on my going into a filthy cubicle and would not walk the short distance to my apartment. Naturally, I declined the uninviting infvitation. Finally, having had enough of pure celibacy, I decided to be a little self indulgent and seek out a "nude" massage. I wasn't looking for a hand job or sex; just the sense of luxury of being in the company of an attractive, naked woman giving me a massage. A straight one hour massage goes for about 90rmb. The ladies advertising on the web. Most of whom describe themselves in seductive terms commence at 200 rmb. I thought for the price plus taxi fare, there must be "something" a little extra. But no. Quotes given me for just a nude massage ranged from 500 to 800 rmb. Some of the ladies I talked to were offended at my query. One who represented herself as "sexy", 'hot" actually shouted. I've never been to Maggies. I noted on one of the threads that the cost for a Mongolian lady is 1000 rmb. This means Beijing has equalled Hong Kong in terms of price. But Hong Kong ladies are far more "liberated" than what I have experienced here. Frankly, I'm beginning to feel as if I have entered a sexual wilderness and even though I am not sexually obsessed, I'm beginning to think there must be more to life than trying to get laid in Beijing. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Zhuren
11-30-07, 06:43
DisInformatic has been spouting this drivel in the BJ forum. He's been chased away, and now he repeats the niu shi in the downmarket sex forum.

DisInformatic's paranoic obsession with this topic achieves clinical dimensions.

What he posts serves as an insult to the Public Security Bureau. If he thinks they need a pathetic "agent" like Cheap Meat, then a lobotomy is called for. If he thinks the Bureau needs ISG for operational intelligence, then he insinuates that they are stupid.

Trust me, the bureau knows the location and identities of all establishments. They also know the IP numbers and identities of all Internet users, DisInformatic included. Compared to the mass of their information, ISG is an ant.

Also in China, there is no such thing as a "regulated" sex-establishment. "Tolerated" maybe (given plausible deniablity) but never regulated in the sense of a European brothel (see below.) There is no business license for a *****house. As for tax paying: Yes, it is true that for instance Maggie's is one of the biggest tax payers in the Ritan Park area, simply due to the fact that the neighbors are all embassies that pay no taxes. Instead, they incur high costs in security.

Speaking of Embassies, one of the best sources of information about the Chinese sex industry is - would you believe it - the US Embassy. It's a stonethrow from Maggies, and probably some bar bills were written off as research costs for intelligence gathering for studies such as this one . (http://www.usembassy-china.org.cn/sandt/sex-industry.html)That report also contains a (broken) link to a study on the Chinese sex industry , which had been published (again, would you believe it) on a United Nations website, from where it was later removed. That study is a proverbial business manual for a sexual services provider. That study served as input for the bulk of information published on Wikipedia about the topic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China) (access blocked in most of China - but a treasure trove if you can access it.)

According to Wikipedia, "The activities of first-party participants continue to be regulated in practice according to administrative law, with the exceptions of anyone who sells or buys prostitutional sex in the full knowledge that they are infected with an STD; and anyone who has prostitutional sex with a child under 14 years of age." Meaning: If you get caught, you may get a ticket. If you knowingly spread AIDS or bugger children, you may - and should be- shot.


Also according to Wikipedia, "The 1997 criminal code codified provisions in the 1991 Decision, establishing a system of controls over social place, specifically places of leisure and entertainment. The ultimate goal is to stop managers and workers within the predominantly male-run and male-patronised hospitality and service industry from profiting from and/or encouraging the prostitution of others." Meaning: Pimping and exploitation of sex workers is being targeted, as it is the case in most other civilized countries (with the exception of the USA, which has moronic prostitution laws that make China look like Amsterdam.) In the USA, tax payer's money is wasted by vice cops, who have sex with prostitutes "to gather evidence" - after the deed, they flash their badge and arrest the girl. And then an exasperated and overworked judge has to slap two days of "community duty" on the girls - as it happened to several friends of mine in NYC, who had to rake leaves in Central Park as punishment.

The crowning event so far was that the Washington DC Fire Department is currently under investigation for running prostitution rings out of the capital's firehouses. (http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070831/METRO/108310077/1001)

Bottom line: If the pathetic Cheap Meat is an agent of the bureau, then DisInformatic is an agent of ignorance, paranoia and stupidity.

Recommendation: If DisInformatic wants us all to stop posting, then he should lead by example. Recommendation to all: Don't meddle with the politics of your host country. If you want to effect true change, vote the idiots at home out of office.

PS: It is a known fact in Beijing circles, that a few years ago, when Maggie's was still at the Worker's Stadium, a member of the US Embassy (possibly while gathering information for the aforementioned report) either hit a girl at Maggies, or burned her hand with a cigarette (reports differ.) He was thoroughly roughed-up by the ever so vigilant Maggie's Security force. Because he couldn't walk, he was delivered to the embassy. A few weeks later, he showed up to apologize to avoid a diplomatic incident with the de-facto Mongolian Embassy.

Zhuren
11-30-07, 07:20
Don't be childish, it wasn't my point.

My point is that they want to know exactly where we go, what we do, how, when, why. We are the "laowai" [out of the circle] they will do what ever to keep us "out of their circle".


More niu shi.

I don't speak Mandarin, and I probably never will. But according to my trusted and unflappable Chinese translator and adjudant, "lao wei" means "old foreigner." The Southern "guai lou" literally translated means "ghost person."

I myself feel very much welcome in "their circles" and will probably retire here. Idiots or foreigners who don't contribute to the GNP may stay at home.

Zhuren
11-30-07, 07:27
Western mongers , I will bet my 2 ball only make up 1% use of prostitution or maybe even as low as 1/10th of 1%. We are just a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) hole in the snow users of prostitution .

Amen. According to the (usually badly flawed and lowballed) statistics, Beijing alone is home to 200,000 ladies of the night. Which is the same as the total pop of Reno, Nevada. Would you shag one of them per night, 365 days a year, your contribution would amount to 0.1825 %

Sammy_T
11-30-07, 07:30
I've never been to Maggies. I noted on one of the threads that the cost for a Mongolian lady is 1000 rmb. This means Beijing has equaled Hong Kong in terms of price. But Hong Kong ladies are far more "liberated" than what I have experienced here. Frankly, I'm beginning to feel as if I have entered a sexual wilderness and even though I am not sexually obsessed, I'm beginning to think there must be more to life than trying to get laid in Beijing. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Tezcatlipoca -

I am not sure where you live in Beijing, but I suggest you stop by The Pig in the Holiday Inn Lido for a drink and some "site-seeing". Here you will find many Chinese girls, and after around 9 pm, many Mongolian girls as well. Stick around the Pig until 11 pm and you will soon learn the difference between Chinese and Mongolian women. I am sure you will find the Mongolian's to be as "liberated" as the girls in Hong Kong.

After 11 pm you can head off to Maggie's. On a weekend night it will be very crowded, and the price will reflect the market conditions, but you can certainly get a good feel for what Maggie's is all about. Just note that while the Chinese girls at The Pig will go home with you, the ones at Maggie's will NOT. Only the Mongolian's are available for takeout. Collect phone numbers from the Mongolian's, and then call them the next day to invite them over to your apartment for some quality time. Trust me, you will not regret it.

Sammy

Zhuren
11-30-07, 07:49
Collect phone numbers from the Mongolian's, and then call them the next day to invite them over to your apartment for some quality time. Trust me, you will not regret it.




Roger that. These quality time engagements are very much appreciated, because the girl(s) already "filled their quota" so to speak before even going to M's. You can take them to dinner after said (unhurried) quality time and deposit them at M's at 11. They will proudly announce to the rest of the sisters that they just had an enjoyable day and evening with you. You will rise in esteem and collect more numbers.

As for HK & BJ: Prices at Fenwick's & Maggie's seem to be the same. I expected HK to be more expensive.

Venicearea
11-30-07, 08:37
Cheap Meat,

Remember, unlike Thailand, prostitution is illegal in China. If you got caught by LE, the fine is about 700 USD or 5000 RMB.Last I heard prostitution is illegal in Thailand. Please check your fact before posting.

Thanks

Zhuren
11-30-07, 10:24
Last I heard prostitution is illegal in Thailand. Please check your fact before posting.

Thanks

A pretty good overview of the legality of prostitution worldwide can be found here: http://www.prostitutionprocon.org/international.htm - and yes, it lists Thailand as illegal.

Like all of these compilations, they should be handled with care. They aren't the last word, and laws change. Most of all, what de jure is "illegal" is often de facto not enforced or "tolerated."

For instance, oral sex, even between married or consenting adults is de jure illegal in Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, Georgia, North and South Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, Utah, Virginia and Washington D.C. . An erection that shows through a man's clothing is illegal in: Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Washington D.C. and Wisconsin.

However, you will be hard pressed to find a case where a Miami man gets thrown in jail after his wife finally gave him a blowjob. And rarely is someone in Murfreesboro, TN, put in the slammer for walking around with a stiffy.

Ontario Boy
11-30-07, 11:02
Western mongers , I will bet my 2 ball only make up 1% use of prostitution or maybe even as low as 1/10th of 1%. We are just a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) hole in the snow users of prostitution . there would be a rebellion in China and HK if they shut down prostitution. Its a Chinese man's civil rights to play around. Just my POV.

Take care and be safe.

tile man

Going by recent prices I am positive that Western Mongers certainly pay a lot more then 1% of the money spent on prostitution so the impact would be much larger then the numbers suggest.

Zhuren
11-30-07, 11:18
Going by recent prices I am positive that Western Mongers certainly pay a lot more then 1% of the money spent on prostitution so the impact would be much larger then the numbers suggest.


Beware of hubris.

According to http://www.bjreview.com/quotes/txt/2007-10/23/content_82394.htm , the number of foreigners working in China ist 180 000. Compared to 1.3 - 1.5 BILLION Chinese, this is the proverbial drop in the bucket. Even if all lao weis would pay WESTERN RATES, they would affect the equation as much as a fly's wings affect a thunderstorm.

Ace Gallant
11-30-07, 11:20
More niu shi.

I don't speak Mandarin, and I probably never will. But according to my trusted and unflappable Chinese translator and adjudant, "lao wei" means "old foreigner." The Southern "guai lou" literally translated means "ghost person."

I myself feel very much welcome in "their circles" and will probably retire here. Idiots or foreigners who don't contribute to the GNP may stay at home.No, I think he is just another handle belonging to one of the famous Sheath Antagonist. His writing style, grammars and vocabulary are the same. He would purposely post some ridiculous comments and later come back to say that we had mis-understood him. Just ignore him and report him to Jackson. Jackson will soon have him removed under Non-Sheath Antagonists rule.

I do not understand what Antagonist will achieve by posting comments that will offend many Senior Members here who had posted all these good informational posts? As a regular newbie member I would think that they should at least show some respect to other members and perhaps post good information to show that they are worthy of receiving attention from the others. Respect Others and you be respected in return.

Enjoy,

AG

Phil1980
11-30-07, 11:54
Frankly, I'm beginning to feel as if I have entered a sexual wilderness and even though I am not sexually obsessed, I'm beginning to think there must be more to life than trying to get laid in Beijing. Any suggestions would be appreciated.





That's because Beijing sucks for cheap sex. Better get yourself transferred to Southern China.

Actually by and large Beijing generally sucks as a city: The air quality sucks, the traffic sucks, the city is too big, apartments and hotels are expensive, police is everywhere (not that they seem to prevent any crime though, they are just for potential "crowd control") and most of the girls suck as well.

Zhuren
11-30-07, 13:05
and most of the girls suck as well.

Some do it quite expertly ....

Phil1980
11-30-07, 14:40
Some do it quite expertly ....


Yeah, excessive amounts of money for shit service.

Ragnarok42
12-01-07, 08:41
Yeah, excessive amounts of money for shit service.

Many of them have been spoiled by stupid foreigners and Chinese for that fact spending too much money on them and ruining the market for all of us. Have found some nice tail but its mostly from WG who have turned freebie for me. But I guess this fact holds true for any girl anywhere.

Ace Gallant
12-01-07, 10:32
Some do it quite expertly ....However. Not many of them does (agrees to) CIM well. I would say. 1 to 20?

Enjoy!

AG

Santa
12-01-07, 11:27
You guys have it all wrong.

Ok, it is true we are only a small percentage of the total population, but us foreigners frequent the same locations and do the same girls, so when we overpay we do fuck up "our" market. For example, if guys go into Beijing Maggies and pay higher prices we do fuck up that location. In Maggies we are the majority. The same is true for places like TongRenLu in Shanghai, or bbs shops which are frequented by us, etc.

If you want to keep prices reasonable in our locations do not overpay. Don't say "it doesn't matter because I'm only one in a billion", because you are not.

Tile Man4
12-01-07, 12:32
You guys have it all wrong.

Ok, it is true we are only a small percentage of the total population, but us foreigners frequent the same locations and do the same girls, so when we overpay we do fuck up "our" market. For example, if guys go into Beijing Maggies and pay higher prices we do fuck up that location. In Maggies we are the majority. The same is true for places like TongRenLu in Shanghai, or bbs shops which are frequented by us, etc.

If you want to keep prices reasonable in our locations do not overpay. Don't say "it doesn't matter because I'm only one in a billion", because you are not.

This is why I always go (in China) where the baffalo don't roam. I made one post about my pussy haven , 1 mile from the Guangzhou airport. I got no takers or asking me for advise. I will not be a "welcome wagon" like some in CP are starting to become.

Dan Hawaii is a great guy and it would be my pleasure to party with him anytime , but what if 1000 Dan Hawaii's flew into CP tomorrow. Do any of you have time for this welcome wagon shit , teach them the ropes , dictate what prices to pay and on and on and on. Its like beating your head against the fucking wall. Noboby will listen. Like they say in the Navy........ " loose lips drive up the prices and maybe sink the ship too.

take care and be safe

tile man

Ragnarok42
12-01-07, 13:44
but what if 1000 Dan Hawaii's flew into CP tomorrow. Do any of you have time for this welcome wagon shit , teach them the ropes , dictate what prices to pay and on and on and on. Its like beating your head against the fucking wall. Noboby will listen. Like they say in the Navy........ " loose lips drive up the prices and maybe sink the ship too.


which is precisely why there is this forum. so we can all post our findings, people can comment and read up on the latest news, etc. Sometimes we hunt in packs, sometimes alone. Sometimes I like the pricey afforded by "working" alone. Also, you are quoted different prices when you walk in alone or with a large group of laowai.

Lets keep those reports coming in and have fun out there.

Zhuren
12-01-07, 14:30
This discussion is moot. The pices are ruined by three day wonder tourists and business visitiors who are used to prices in New York or Tokyo. They come to Bejing and think they are in heaven if quoted 3000. They don't read ISG.

It's like the stock market: If you can't hit the bid, don't play. Or wait for a down day. Now if you you are a regular at said establishments, you may get "insider pricing." I've been a regular at M's for three years. I've been paying the same for those three years, and I give them a tip on top for good service -- if there's good service. I don't even discuss price with the girls. they know what they will get, no questions asked.



You guys have it all wrong.

Ok, it is true we are only a small percentage of the total population, but us foreigners frequent the same locations and do the same girls, so when we overpay we do fuck up "our" market. For example, if guys go into Beijing Maggies and pay higher prices we do fuck up that location. In Maggies we are the majority. The same is true for places like TongRenLu in Shanghai, or bbs shops which are frequented by us, etc.

If you want to keep prices reasonable in our locations do not overpay. Don't say "it doesn't matter because I'm only one in a billion", because you are not.

Infomatic
12-02-07, 15:19
More niu shi.

I don't speak Mandarin, and I probably never will. But according to my trusted and unflappable Chinese translator and adjudant, "lao wei" means "old foreigner." The Southern "guai lou" literally translated means "ghost person."

I myself feel very much welcome in "their circles" and will probably retire here. Idiots or foreigners who don't contribute to the GNP may stay at home.Laowai is a commonly used Chinese word. It is the informal version for foreigner, waiguoren 外国人, which literally means "outside country person" - Translated "out of the Circle" - society - family.

I'm 100% more in the circle than you are "ego zhuren" no doubt!

I was referring "out of the circle" hooker joints for Laowai & hooker joints for locals. You cupcake!

But you have to be "In The Circle" to know that.

Zhuren
12-03-07, 10:43
Shut your clap Ace Gallant & Zhuren, whom do you think you are?

It's "who do you think you are ...."


PS. You can shove your grammar lesson up your. Mister super-pro.

It's either "up your ass" or "up your's."


Ho yeah, acting like high rollers and winning about "us" not posting "new" locations.

It's "whining."

... we aren't even touching grammar lessons yet. Wer'e doing the Spehling Be ....

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Zhuren
12-03-07, 10:49
However. Not many of them does (agrees to) CIM well. I would say. 1 to 20?!

AG

That's a high number.

Amazed that they are usually unfazed about rimming (not counting the jelly-cone con) but balk at CIM.

For blowjobs: Japan. I'm getting the impression that all JP girls are summa cum laude students of BJU.

Zhuren
12-03-07, 12:19
No, I think he is just another handle belonging to one of the famous Sheath Antagonist. His writing style, grammars and vocabulary are the same. He would purposely post some ridiculous comments and later come back to say that we had mis-understood him. Just ignore him and report him to Jackson. Jackson will soon have him removed under Non-Sheath Antagonists rule.



He provides a certain degree of entertainment. I move to keep him around as a yapping dog we can kick under the table .... In that regard. I hope Jackson doesn't invoke the Serial Antagonist rule. You, AG, had your share of attacks, and I understand that you may take a dimmer view. Apparently, there are some who don't like it if others post a lot.

Jackson says: "This is the art of the stealth Serial Antagonist: Individually, his reports would not appear to be deliberately antagonistic, yet he consistently seems to find himself in the midst of arguments with other forum members, at times even playing the role of the victim.

I'm tired of these guys: They disrupt The Forum, they discourage other members from posting, they waste my time, and they rarely provide any useful information. For everybody's benefit, Serial Antagonists must be controlled or banned from the Forum as quickly as possible."

As I said, personally, I don't care. Personally, he amuses me. He's his own enemy, he hangs himself with his ridiculous posts. But you are right, his writing style reminds one of past serial offenders. Or perhaps, all serial antagonists have a problem with their spelling. Spelling "antagonist" probably would be a chore for them.

Old Wreck
12-03-07, 13:44
Amazed that they are usually unfazed about rimming (not counting the jelly-cone con) but balk at CIM.

For blowjobs: Japan. I'm getting the impression that all JP girls are summa cum laude students of BJU. I'd be interested in hearing more about the comparisons between Japan and the various Chinese. For one I hear the Japanese are far more kinky, but my sources of info are third-hand. Any first-person observations?

Its That Guy
12-03-07, 17:25
Laowai is a commonly used Chinese word. It is the informal version for foreigner, waiguoren 外国人, which literally means "outside country person" - Translated "out of the Circle" - society - family.

I'm 100% more in the circle than you are "ego zhuren" no doubt!

I was referring "out of the circle" hooker joints for Laowai & hooker joints for locals. You cupcake!

But you have to be "In The Circle" to know that.Wai guo ren is foreigner while Lao Wai more refers to caucasian foreigners as black people can be wai guo ren as well. But the Lao thing isn't really like an insult more of a casual phrase as you can use it as Lao Han for Koreans which are Han Guo Ren but its jut not very commonly used except in reference to white people Lao Wai. White Ghost is more of a cantonese thing where they also have reference to black people as Black Ghosts.

Zhuren
12-04-07, 00:37
I'd be interested in hearing more about the comparisons between Japan and the various Chinese. For one I hear the Japanese are far more kinky, but my sources of info are third-hand. Any first-person observations?

Absolutely. My wife is Japanese - and so are all her friends. If you want kink, book a flight to NRT.

Arctic1
12-04-07, 01:16
Wai guo ren is foreigner while Lao Wai more refers to caucasian foreigners as black people can be wai guo ren as well. But the Lao thing isn't really like an insult more of a casual phrase as you can use it as Lao Han for Koreans which are Han Guo Ren but its jut not very commonly used except in reference to white people Lao Wai. White Ghost is more of a cantonese thing where they also have reference to black people as Black Ghosts.

That laowai(老外)refers to whites only is something I did not know. Chinese friends also tell me the use of laowai does not intend insult, but I am still sensitive to slang expressions casually referring to groups of people. I am even more sensitive to the use of guilao (鬼老), since "gui" incorporates color into the expression. Perhaps I am overly sensitive.