FKK Artemis - Berlin

[Houellebecq]

Maybe the government want to use the club as a refugee camp? Is this the hidden agenda? ...Too much speculations and overthinking here at the moment. You guys don't know a shit. ...Well, what I definitely know is that the Golden Era of free prostitution in Germany is over. A new "Clean Prostitution Act" being introduced, and obviously zero tolerance for Hells Angels establishments. Let's see where all this will lead us.

[Hessen Bub]

I know. Maybe it was the "the best outdoor area in any FKK" that put him off.

HB.

[Mr Ho]

Artemis was really good by the pool last summer during the heatwave. And all the girls dipped in from time to time. Never seen an fkk pool that full of people. So to say the pool temperature is of no consequence is missing the mark. It is deffinately part of it. Then comes the question if you prefer large grassy outdoor areas to smaller all wooden areas .FKK Sharks out door area during summer is full of girls, I mean that warehouse inside is kinda dark to stay, so it make sense for girls to be out door by or in the pool.

However, I agree with you that as far as the facility goes, Artemis out door is best to my taste too. I like it at night when nobody is there, very Zen.

Artemis new out door area is good example of owners giving back to the club, they are good manager of such club.

[Guy93]

Yeah probably that was about it.

[Mr Ho]

Well, what I definitely know is that the Golden Era of free prostitution in Germany is over. A new "Clean Prostitution Act" being introduced, and obviously zero tolerance for Hells Angels establishments. Let's see where all this will lead us.I am bit worry for LU, but girls can just call and work in FKK themselves like most girls are doing.

[Pistons]

FKK Sharks out door area during summer is full of girlsWell, I only jumped in to say the pool itself was full of girls. The area around is allways full at all the clubs.

[Craiova]

Well, what I definitely know is that the Golden Era of free prostitution in Germany is over. A new "Clean Prostitution Act" being introduced, and obviously zero tolerance for Hells Angels establishments. Let's see where all this will lead us.Not yet so far but I've a bad feeling it goes in that direction especially with the new prostitution law at July 1st 2017 therefore I still enjoy the good old times in the meantime.

[Mr Ho]

Not yet so far but I've a bad feeling it goes in that direction especially with the new prostitution law at July 1st 2017 therefore I still enjoy the good old times in the meantime.Scary reality, if the law passes and things change in any radical way, then I got to move on to other country to monger.

[Member #4376]

Not yet so far but I've a bad feeling it goes in that direction especially with the new prostitution law at July 1st 2017 therefore I still enjoy the good old times in the meantime.
I am bit worry for LU, but girls can just call and work in FKK themselves like most girls are doing.
Well, what I definitely know is that the Golden Era of free prostitution in Germany is over. A new "Clean Prostitution Act" being introduced, and obviously zero tolerance for Hells Angels establishments. Let's see where all this will lead us.Ouch! I didn't know about this. I was planning a trip to Germany this year or next. Is it still worth it to even go now? If Germany's punter scene goes to shit now, where will be the best place to go in Europe? I imagine the Netherlands, but they only have 1 good city for it, Amsterdam. Even if Germany's scene isn't as good anymore, it's got to still be better than the states.

[Hessen Bub]

Artemis new out door area is good example of owners giving back to the club, they are good manager of such club.Giving back to the club? WTF? This was purely a business decision. They needed an outdoor area, the rooftop garden sucked.

HB.

[Mr Ho]

Giving back to the club? WTF? This was purely a business decision. They needed an outdoor area, the rooftop garden sucked.

HB.You really do not like the owners here huh?

Well they could have kept it as it is, the place is booming.

To be honest, most of the time, out side rooms and pool and also saunas are empty, which I enjoy going to enjoy some solo time.

Either way, it is good that they invested into outdoor because Popo seemed to confiscated some of their personal assets.

[DethManRulz]

Giving back to the club? WTF? This was purely a business decision. They needed an outdoor area, the rooftop garden sucked.

HB.Mr. Ho is an incredibly naive guy. All he cares about is fucking the ladies, and therefore making sure there are ladies to fuck. He loves his prostitutes. He's not interested in considering a seedier side of things. (such as the current allegations).

and we love Mr. Ho for his enthusiasm.

[Hermann666]

For us traveling from abroad to Berlin to visit Artemis it would be good if anyone visiting could post a report so we know if Artemis is still open. May influence last minute decisions to catch a flight.

[Pistons]

If you reread the last few pages, you'd know its still open.

Well I don't know if management is good or bad. Its really hard for us to know, but they do seem a bit strict with the outside of club policy at the very least. And that part of it I understand people can hate. Girls have lost their 'job' at Artemis because of meetings outside the premise... and the whole thing around that rule smells bad all over...

[Ararat]

The thing is that we don't know exactly where the line was drawn when the authorities decided the girls are employees. Was it something Artemis specific or something that happens in all clubs? Was is something really bad (like prohibiting work outside the office) or was it something relatively benign such as the existence of a common price list?


If you reread the last few pages, you'd know its still open.

Well I don't know if management is good or bad. Its really hard for us to know, but they do seem a bit strict with the outside of club policy at the very least. And that part of it I understand people can hate. Girls have lost their 'job' at Artemis because of meetings outside the premise... and the whole thing around that rule smells bad all over...

[Wolvenvacht]

Ouch! I didn't know about this. I was planning a trip to Germany this year or next. Is it still worth it to even go now? If Germany's punter scene goes to shit now, where will be the best place to go in Europe? I imagine the Netherlands, but they only have 1 good city for it, Amsterdam. Even if Germany's scene isn't as good anymore, it's got to still be better than the states.Of course it is still worth it. There is simply no comparison. Amsterdam really sucks (and not in a good way). The Red Light district is a tourist trap with high prices and low quality of service.

Only Germany has the FKK-concept where you can go to a club and choose at leisure from dozens of girls and there is no pressure on you. Go to a private club in Holland (or anywhere else in Europe) and if you are taking more than a few minutes before making a choice you are considered a waste of time and unless you buy some overpriced drinks you will be made unwelcome quickly. There may be some exceptions but they will be few and far between.

[Wolvenvacht]

Not yet so far but I've a bad feeling it goes in that direction especially with the new prostitution law at July 1st 2017 therefore I still enjoy the good old times in the meantime.Pleeeeease! There is no new prostitution law yet and the date of July 1st 2017 of its implementation is pure speculation based upon the proposal fast-tracking it through parliament.

The only thing that changes as far as mongers are concerned is that unprotected commercial sex is prohibited (and fined very high). Anything else will remain the same.

I don't think this is something to get all worked up about.

Really, you people seem to think that there is no fun outside of BBBJ.

[Hermann666]

If you reread the last few pages, you'd know its still open.

Well I don't know if management is good or bad. Its really hard for us to know, but they do seem a bit strict with the outside of club policy at the very least. And that part of it I understand people can hate. Girls have lost their 'job' at Artemis because of meetings outside the premise... and the whole thing around that rule smells bad all over...I have read the last few posts and I know that Artemis is open. My post was forward looking for the days and weeks to come and triggered by the fact that the discussion ended up discussing swimming pools at various clubs instead of Artemis. Apologies if I was unclear.

[CaptRenno]

Only Germany has the FKK-concept where you can go to a club and choose at leisure from dozens of girls and there is no pressure on you. Go to a private club in Holland (or anywhere else in Europe) and if you are taking more than a few minutes before making a choice you are considered a waste of time and unless you buy some overpriced drinks you will be made unwelcome quickly. There may be some exceptions but they will be few and far between.While there are far more FKK clubs in Germany than in any other country, you can also find very good FKKs in Austria (Vienna) and Switzerland (Zurich). They operate in exactly the same fashion as FKKs in Germany, though the prices in Zurich are higher than anywhere in Germany. But if you find yourself in either of those cities, the FKKs are well worth a visit.

[Member #4581]

Naive to some is unbearably annoying to others.

It would be good to see some actual reviews from him. Such as: girls that he liked, did not like, any color behind those opinions, etc etc.

90% of the stuff I see from him is idle speculation about laws that are being discussed somewhere, or some other extraneous, totally tangential stuff. Or else, morose Lamentations about how he is going to miss his BBBJ. Yeah, we all know by now that he likes uncovered blow jobs (must be a unique desire among punters, eh?!), we heard it many many times, and we have n't gone deaf yet.


?...is an incredibly naive guy. All he cares about is fucking the ladies, and therefore making sure there are ladies to fuck. He loves his prostitutes. He's not interested in considering a seedier side of things. (such as the current allegations).

and we love ?....for his enthusiasm.

[Mr Ho]

Mr. Ho is an incredibly naive guy. All he cares about is fucking the ladies, and therefore making sure there are ladies to fuck. He loves his prostitutes. He's not interested in considering a seedier side of things. (such as the current allegations).

and we love Mr. Ho for his enthusiasm.Yes, in part you are right in some part Mr Dethman are.

However, all I care about it life is beautiful prostitutes, models, porn stars, health, working out, smoking herbs, ski, beaches, pools, sport cars, fine clothes, fine watches, gourmets and not working, but making millions LOL I do not care about anything else beside this and I cannot find why I should care about anything else but these LOL.

The odd thing is that from society point of view and in comparison, I am rather well educated, but I decided to go all the way opposite with all they taught me in school and universities LOL But I enjoy this life LOL.

[PayForIt]

Of course it is still worth it. There is simply no comparison. Amsterdam really sucks (and not in a good way). The Red Light district is a tourist trap with high prices and low quality of service.

Only Germany has the FKK-concept where you can go to a club and choose at leisure from dozens of girls and there is no pressure on you. Go to a private club in Holland (or anywhere else in Europe) and if you are taking more than a few minutes before making a choice you are considered a waste of time and unless you buy some overpriced drinks you will be made unwelcome quickly. There may be some exceptions but they will be few and far between.This isn't strictly correct. You can go to Spain where there are many whiskeria clubs where you can "choose at leisure from dozens of girls and there is no pressure on you". Try Vive in Madrid which has far more stunning girls than Artemis or any FKK club. But you pay for them. 220 for an hour to be precise but then you don't have to pay 80 to get in. Drinks for a girl are 40 euros though. But tell them you are saving your money for the room and they are fine. There are always over 100 girls at Vive. Cheaper options can be found all over Spain including Madrid at Flowers, Estark (nice little club and half the price of Vive), Factory Air and Hot Dreams. All clubs where you can select a girl at leisure. They are not nude (the beauty of FKKs) and don't serve food or have wellness or outdoor facilities. They are nightclubs. The police are not interested in closing them unless there are drug issues. Scandalos in Malaga is another fantastic club with many stunning girls. There is still a high population of EE girls (no problem for me) but a good mix of latinas also which you rarely find in FKKs. Scandalo prices for 30 minutes are around 80 euros. Again more expensive than Germany but 10 euro entrance fee with free drink or no entrance fee if you are regular like me.

There is not much to choose between Spain and Germany for me. LU in the best clubs in Spain beat the LU in Sharks or any FKK I've been to by some way. But the prices are higher. Upsell in Spain is far less than in Germany. This is understandable given the very low prices for zimmer time in Germany = the girls want to get you to spend more quickly. Service levels IMHO are better in Spain. While the most popular girls are working all night, punters in Spanish clubs tend to have long rather than 30 min sessions so a girl might only have 4 clients in a night and still make a lot of cash. Unless you hit it off in an FKK and the girl realises you will go long time (which I prefer) sessions can be more mechanical. That said I've had poor service in Spain too. Usual hit and miss. Yes I've had nasty surprises when a girl whose tits looked amazing in a dress go south without the bra. But I quite like sexy lingerie and seeing a beautiful girl in a sexy dress. I also love being surrounded by lot of naked girls and I've posted many times that Artemis is my favorite club in Germany because of the diversity of nationalities, strong LU (for me anyway) and facilities.

All this gloom about this raid and new laws. No need. Raids take place in lots of countries where P4 P is rife. It doesn't stop the sex industry overnight and it won't happen in Germany whatever laws come in. Girls want the cash. Guys want the pussy. It will continue. Even if modified. If it changes it changes. So what? I'll still go, 99% of people on here will still go. The prospect that because the law says no BBBJ (and as mentioned many times here how the hell will that be enforced without a serious infringement of Article 8 ECHR privacy rights) should not alter people's plans. And it's not in yet! It might never get there. Things change! Governments change, policies change.

One policy that doesn't change is guys on this forum wanting to have a great time with lovely girls in good clubs. Artemis is open. It's worth revisiting in my view. If it closes there are great options around Germany, and in Spain, and I understand in pricey Switzerland though I've not tried them. Go to Thailand! It's dirt cheap! Dubai is great for P4 P but risky with enforcement etc. Lots of options. Germany will remain very high on the list as the law is not seeking to close FKKs and for everyone saying "it's the beginning of the end" - lighten up! It's not. And even if was. Fill your boots now while you can!

[Sanuk327]

Of course it is still worth it. There is simply no comparison. Amsterdam really sucks (and not in a good way). The Red Light district is a tourist trap with high prices and low quality of service.

Only Germany has the FKK-concept where you can go to a club and choose at leisure from dozens of girls and there is no pressure on you. Go to a private club in Holland (or anywhere else in Europe) and if you are taking more than a few minutes before making a choice you are considered a waste of time and unless you buy some overpriced drinks you will be made unwelcome quickly. There may be some exceptions but they will be few and far between.FKK clubs also exist in Austria, Swiss and Czech.

[Mr Ho]

This isn't strictly correct. You can go to Spain where there are many whiskeria clubs where you can "choose at leisure from dozens of girls and there is no pressure on you". Try Vive in Madrid which has far more stunning girls than Artemis or any FKK club. But you pay for them. 220 for an hour to be precise but then you don't have to pay 80 to get in. Drinks for a girl are 40 euros though. But tell them you are saving your money for the room and they are fine. There are always over 100 girls at Vive. Cheaper options can be found all over Spain including Madrid at Flowers, Estark (nice little club and half the price of Vive), Factory Air and Hot Dreams. All clubs where you can select a girl at leisure. They are not nude (the beauty of FKKs) and don't serve food or have wellness or outdoor facilities. They are nightclubs. The police are not interested in closing them unless there are drug issues. Scandalos in Malaga is another fantastic club with many stunning girls. There is still a high population of EE girls (no problem for me) but a good mix of latinas also which you rarely find in FKKs. Scandalo prices for 30 minutes are around 80 euros. Again more expensive than Germany but 10 euro entrance fee with free drink or no entrance fee if you are regular like me.

There is not much to choose between Spain and Germany for me. LU in the best clubs in Spain beat the LU in Sharks or any FKK I've been to by some way. But the prices are higher. Upsell in Spain is far less than in Germany. This is understandable given the very low prices for zimmer time in Germany = the girls want to get you to spend more quickly...Exactly my point! Spot on! I was getting sick of all the speculation comments about raids by others, so it is good to read this rational points!

[Mr Ho]

FKK clubs also exist in Austria, Swiss and Czech.In Czech, there are FKK club like Artemis?

[Pistons]

In Czech, there are FKK club like Artemis?One at least: Sexy Sauna in Prague.

[Mr Ho]

One at least: Sexy Sauna in Prague.On in Swiss is not as good as they said. Czech I googled, and bad rep with less quality LU.

Austria one like GT there is? If it is same LU quality as Artemis then it is worth a try.

[ShoesAndSocks]

In Czech, there are FKK club like Artemis?


One at least: Sexy Sauna in Prague.I think Sexy Sauna is CBJ only? If so, perhaps not Artemis-like enough for Mr Ho.

[Mr Ho]

I think Sexy Sauna is CBJ only? If so, perhaps not Artemis-like enough for Mr Ho.No BBBJ, I ain't coming LOL.

[Mr Ho]

This isn't strictly correct. You can go to Spain where there are many whiskeria clubs where you can "choose at leisure from dozens of girls and there is no pressure on you". Try Vive in Madrid which has far more stunning girls than Artemis or any FKK club. But you pay for them. 220 for an hour to be precise but then you don't have to pay 80 to get in. Drinks for a girl are 40 euros though. But tell them you are saving your money for the room and they are fine. There are always over 100 girls at Vive. Cheaper options can be found all over Spain including Madrid at Flowers, Estark (nice little club and half the price of Vive), Factory Air and Hot Dreams. All clubs where you can select a girl at leisure. They are not nude (the beauty of FKKs) and don't serve food or have wellness or outdoor facilities. They are nightclubs. The police are not interested in closing them unless there are drug issues. Scandalos in Malaga is another fantastic club with many stunning girls. There is still a high population of EE girls (no problem for me) but a good mix of latinas also which you rarely find in FKKs. Scandalo prices for 30 minutes are around 80 euros. Again more expensive than Germany but 10 euro entrance fee with free drink or no entrance fee if you are regular like me.

There is not much to choose between Spain and Germany for me. LU in the best clubs in Spain beat the LU in Sharks or any FKK I've been to by some way. But the prices are higher. Upsell in Spain is far less than in Germany. This is understandable given the very low prices for zimmer time in Germany = the girls want to get you to spend more quickly...Hmmm Very interesting info. Spain? Vive in Madrid, how are the service level there? Is it BBBJ? Rimjob? Are you allowed to come twice in one hour?

[MaxSquatter]

Are we sure that the new legislation would restrict all sex acts to condom covered? Couldn't it be interpreted as condoms being required for vaginal sex (and oral sex considered outside of that so no condom needed)? I was reading the discussion below on the BBBJ becoming CBJ with legislation. But even if it passes perhaps it would be up to interpretation such as I described?

[Hessen Bub]

Are we sure that the new legislation would restrict all sex acts to condom covered? Couldn't it be interpreted as condoms being required for vaginal sex (and oral sex considered outside of that so no condom needed)? I was reading the discussion below on the BBBJ becoming CBJ with legislation. But even if it passes perhaps it would be up to interpretation such as I described?No. Read it. It states very clearly: All sex must be covered, including blowjobs.

HB.

[PayForIt]

No. Read it. It states very clearly: All sex must be covered, including blowjobs.

HB.Just a thought. And I'll confess to not having read it, nor do I have any intention to even with Google translate, but ALL presumably then means a hand job too. Seriously? I think if that's right it really is being quite silly. If this is for the protection of the girls (presumably?) then to prevent AO and BBBJ has some merit even if mongers won't like it. But if the proposed legislation prevents any sexual act without condom that should mean HJ. Which protects nothing. I remain of the view that the hysteria about this is unwarranted, and of course as one commentator on here rightly said. A lot of fun can be had even with a condom. But this would seem to be stretching it (pun intended! So do you interpret All as including covered hand job?

[PayForIt]

Hmmm Very interesting info. Spain? Vive in Madrid, how are the service level there? Is it BBBJ? Rimjob? Are you allowed to come twice in one hour?As I mentioned in the longer post. I think service levels in Spain are better than in Germany for two reasons: because the girls have less sessions in a day and are not as sex-tired as in Germany (you will of course get some poor sessions everywhere) and secondly due to the sex costing more. The girl is making more money and knows punters may extend to two hours (which in most clubs would be around 350 euros but in Vive would be 440) so they put the effort in. In Germany I find that it's sometimes worth telling a girl who seems keen after 10 minutes that you will be extending to an hour or more to get a better service. It's interesting this because girls in Palace get criticised for upselliing this before the zimmer. But in reality they are only being honest about it- 30 minutes and 50 euros is hardly going to make them give you 100% on a BBBJ and more.

As to your questions about what is available in Vive and Spain. You can of course interview the girls in the bar first to find out. I think you'll find girls who will refuse BBBJ and riming. However when I posted this in the Madrid forum a number of mongers responded that they had never had any issue wth BBBJ. But if you talk to the girls in Spain and tell them that in Germany BBBJ is standard they genuinely think that is pure madness and risky. I think the girls decide punter by punter who they will give BBBJ to. If you made clear before going to the room that BBBJ and rimming must be on the agenda I'm sure you'd find willing girls in Spanish clubs and in any event, why not give it a try? It's not much further to travel to than Germany from anywhere, and Madrid is a much better tourist city to visit than most German cities I (other than Berlin) in my opinion. In addition to having nearly year round good weather! You will miss being surrounded by a lot of naked women. It's why I return to the FKKs though I don't speak German. You are clearly very much influenced by BBBJ. Nothing wrong with that. To each their own and if that's important to you that is your right. You will definitely get it in Spain and from some stunning girls. I'm not sure about rimming as I've never asked for it but it has been performed occasionally without request!

So perhaps Mr Ho should Vive (not Viva) Espana?

[Christian G]

FKK clubs also exist in Austria, Swiss and Czech.And Slovenia too.

[Pistons]

I don't like the pricing in spain. Might just as well get a local escort then. The draw with german FKK's is just the price structure and how it allows you to 'save money' by making 3, 4 and 5 sessions.

[Jim57]

This isn't strictly correct. You can go to Spain where there are many whiskeria clubs where you can "choose at leisure from dozens of girls and there is no pressure on you". Try Vive in Madrid which has far more stunning girls than Artemis or any FKK club. But you pay for them. 220 for an hour to be precise but then you don't have to pay 80 to get in. Drinks for a girl are 40 euros though. But tell them you are saving your money for the room and they are fine. There are always over 100 girls at Vive. Cheaper options can be found all over Spain including Madrid at Flowers, Estark (nice little club and half the price of Vive), Factory Air and Hot Dreams. All clubs where you can select a girl at leisure. They are not nude (the beauty of FKKs) and don't serve food or have wellness or outdoor facilities. They are nightclubs. The police are not interested in closing them unless there are drug issues. Scandalos in Malaga is another fantastic club with many stunning girls. There is still a high population of EE girls (no problem for me) but a good mix of latinas also which you rarely find in FKKs. Scandalo prices for 30 minutes are around 80 euros. Again more expensive than Germany but 10 euro entrance fee with free drink or no entrance fee if you are regular like me.

There is not much to choose between Spain and Germany for me. LU in the best clubs in Spain beat the LU in Sharks or any FKK I've been to by some way. But the prices are higher. Upsell in Spain is far less than in Germany. This is understandable given the very low prices for zimmer time in Germany = the girls want to get you to spend more quickly. Service levels IMHO are better in Spain. While the most popular girls are working all night, punters in Spanish clubs tend to have long rather than 30 min sessions so a girl might only have 4 clients in a night and still make a lot of cash. Unless you hit it off in an FKK and the girl realises you will go long time (which I prefer) sessions can be more mechanical. That said I've had poor service in Spain too. Usual hit and miss. Yes I've had nasty surprises when a girl whose tits looked amazing in a dress go south without the bra. But I quite like sexy lingerie and seeing a beautiful girl in a sexy dress. I also love being surrounded by lot of naked girls and I've posted many times that Artemis is my favorite club in Germany because of the diversity of nationalities, strong LU (for me anyway) and facilities.

I had recent experience in Spain. While service levels in the two sessions I had in two different clubs was great, BBBJ was definately not on the agenda. I was in clubs close to the French border, Jonquera north of Barcelona and then over on the other side of the Pyrenees in the Basque country. Prices reasonable, not a high level of English spoken, LU okay, but they are definately not FKK style clubs. Girls are predominantly fully clothed, there isn't restaurant or wellness facilities so they aren't the place to go and spend large amounts of time as you would in an FKK.

Reports of my visits here.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3471-La-Jonquera

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?795-Other-Areas

[Mr Ho]

I had recent experience in Spain. While service levels in the two sessions I had in two different clubs was great, BBBJ was definately not on the agenda. I was in clubs close to the French border, Jonquera north of Barcelona and then over on the other side of the Pyrenees in the Basque country. Prices reasonable, not a high level of English spoken, LU okay, but they are definately not FKK style clubs. Girls are predominantly fully clothed, there isn't restaurant or wellness facilities so they aren't the place to go and spend large amounts of time as you would in an FKK.

Reports of my visits here.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3471-La-Jonquera

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?795-Other-AreasThere is BBBJ in Spain?

There are FKK in Slovenia? How are LU and BBBJ situations?

[Mr Ho]

As I mentioned in the longer post. I think service levels in Spain are better than in Germany for two reasons: because the girls have less sessions in a day and are not as sex-tired as in Germany (you will of course get some poor sessions everywhere) and secondly due to the sex costing more. The girl is making more money and knows punters may extend to two hours (which in most clubs would be around 350 euros but in Vive would be 440) so they put the effort in. In Germany I find that it's sometimes worth telling a girl who seems keen after 10 minutes that you will be extending to an hour or more to get a better service. It's interesting this because girls in Palace get criticised for upselliing this before the zimmer. But in reality they are only being honest about it- 30 minutes and 50 euros is hardly going to make them give you 100% on a BBBJ and more.

As to your questions about what is available in Vive and Spain. You can of course interview the girls in the bar first to find out. I think you'll find girls who will refuse BBBJ and riming. However when I posted this in the Madrid forum a number of mongers responded that they had never had any issue wth BBBJ. But if you talk to the girls in Spain and tell them that in Germany BBBJ is standard they genuinely think that is pure madness and risky...Negotiating in Vive for BBBJ is annoying, but LU certainly interest me. As for now, only alternative to German FKK I found was globe Zürich and it is not as good as people say, service is there, but LU is similar to German FKK.

Austria is yet to be find out and I read that Prague FKK are horrible.

I hear Amsterdam escort scene is solid with good LU costing about 380 for 2 hours, this may interest me after hitting coffee shops there LOL.

If BBBJ get not standard in Germany, I am shifting my monger place to else where.

Madrid is great as herbs are tolerated LOL.

Vive with some nice herbs smoking can be good thing in life LOL.

[Hessen Bub]

Covered HJ? That's nitpicking. Who cares about HJ? Fact is that for vaginal, anal and oral sex a condom has to be used.


Im Interesse der Prävention sexuell übertragbarer Erkrankungen und damit zum Schutz sowohl von Prostituierten als auch von deren Kunden oder Kundinnen sowie mittelbar betroffener Personen und der Allgemeinheit wird durch Absatz 1 eine Verpflichtung von Prostituierten und deren Kunden und Kundinnen zur Verwendung von Kondomen beim entgeltlichen Geschlechtsverkehr eingeführt. Unter Geschlechtsverkehr fallen neben dem vaginalen auch oraler und analer Geschlechtsverkehr. Der Begriff des Kondoms impliziert die Anwendung am Körper des Mannes und zielt in erster Linie auf ein verantwortungsbewusstes Verhalten des Mannes ab; männliche Kunden und männliche Prostituierte sind folglich beim Geschlechtsverkehr im Rahmen der Kundenbeziehung stets verpflichtet, ein Kondom zu verwenden. Weibliche Prostituierte und Kundinnen sind ebenfalls Adressatinnen der Norm; sie sind verpflichtet, dafür Sorge zu tragen, dass beim Geschlechtsverkehr ein Kondom am Körper des männlichen Prostituierten oder Kunden zum Einsatz kommt. Daher sind auch sie als Verpflichtete des Kondomgebots aufgeführt. HB.

[Mr Ho]

Covered HJ? That's nitpicking. Who cares about HJ? Fact is that for vaginal, anal and oral sex a condom has to be used.

HB.How do you explain the situation in Balvaria FKK, nobody follows such rule for BBBJ.

[Shark16]

I had recent experience in Spain. While service levels in the two sessions I had in two different clubs was great, BBBJ was definately not on the agenda.Great discussion. Let's take it to the Spain general info thread.

[PussyLiccker]

I've done Madrid, and not a fan of the clubs there. Here is some supplementary info. Girls mainly dressed and not nude (or skimpy outfits). Showers in room, so there is no showers to take in between sessions outside the room like in.

De.

And now, what constitutes as great session is the question as my sampling wasn't great of even good as far as session although limited. All BBBJ except one girl was covered (which was BS since the rate was 110 per half hour) at an expensive club called Vive which some guys think girls are stunning? Not on my books. I have not seen a girl there I would call stunning. You got EE (Romies, Bulgarian, etc.) like anywhere else. Pricing wise, and quality of the LU, and given the club operates late at night onwards, De is better. All but one girl's service I would consider below avg to worse in Spain. Vive is not worth 110 per half hour. I'd rather go to Switzerland for the rate.

80 Euros entry is Artemis where you get crap food. There are other clubs in De, you got discount specials or lower entry priced and better LU than majority of the clubs I've seen in Spain. Not that eager to go back, not worth it unless you got some business or time fillers to do other things during the day. For mongering as main objective there is no contest with De.

P.S. I saw a girl at Vive Madrid (so called club with stunners with 110 per half rate), who I've met at Mondial a discount club in the past. I can get a session with her 30 Euros per 20 min at Mondial. What Vive has going is a lot of girls, and so does De, but nude with much lower rate.

[PussyLiccker]

And Slovenia too.Not heard about that place, will look into it. Looking into possible other areas if anybody else has some good spots other De. So far, Swiss, De, Austria(and maybe Czh) are places on my radar for trips in Europe. Swiss, I would give it another try.

[Pistons]

For mongering Germany / Austria is hands down number 1 in europe. No contest although I've heard you can pick up some EE girls on vacation quite easily at different beaches around the continent. Sunny Beach, Mamaia Beach, Marbella, Mallorca, Ibiza etc etc.

[Christian G]

Not heard about that place, will look into it. Looking into possible other areas if anybody else has some good spots other De. So far, Swiss, De, Austria(and maybe Czh) are places on my radar for trips in Europe. Swiss, I would give it another try.Here a link to FKK in Slovenia http://www.marinaclub.si/.

[PayForIt]

an expensive club called Vive which some guys think girls are stunning? Not on my books. I have not seen a girl there I would call stunning. As Shark16 says this is really for Madrid threat. Though sparked by the suggestion here that there are no options to FKK which is not correct. But this comment was really a shock PL. On average Vive has 120-150 per night from all over the world. I agree it's expensive but if you could'nt find a single stunner on ANY night in 120 girls you have mega high standards. I've been to Vive over 30 times and I've had a big problem every single time I've attended. That problem being which stunner to session with. At high costs you cannot try out a girl as we do in FKKs. One of the reasons I like FKK is it's no risk to spend 40/50 or 60 (Artemis) to see if a girl clicks / works / has good service. Indeed I quite like to have 3 or so warm up sessions before selecting a girl to spend a couple of hours with. Not possible due to cost at Vive unless you are happy to blow 1000 euros in a few hours. But there are always stunning girls there. I've been to Sharks, Oase and other clubs and not had anyone particularly catch my eye. Not so at Artemis. For me I've always found some good looking girls there. Maybe just my taste. I also agree with the earlier comment that what is nice at FKKs is the ability to lounge around / go to wellness and make it an experience to last the whole day. That doesn't happen in Spain. Even in the Casas / Villas where you can go of a day and sunbathe with the girls (there are several around Marbella and Puerto Banus) the girls rush you into going to a room and there is no escape. For all those reasons, the FKK model works very well and I agree it is the best option for mongering. The question was whether there are similar options where you can select a girl at leisure and the answer is yes. Not just in Spain but in the other locations listed by others who have responded. Mr Ho. PL confirms in Spain he had BBBJ from all but one worker. I have found more resistance than that so he was lucky.

[Pistons]

I hate being a thread police here, but this discussion is quite off topic in the Artemis thread.

When that is said, I have met some girls at Artemis from time to time who has worked in the spanish clubs, and two of them were some of the best gfe girls I've had at any fkk. So well above the average artemis service...

[MaxSquatter]

Does anyone have any recent visits to discuss (post raid)? I have only seen one on here and it almost appeared to be a joke. Ha the punter was pissed on from above?

[Pistons]

Can add in that Artemis has some 10-15 new girls the past 2 months. Some of them looks quite good. I suck with names, so I forgot all the new ones though. Some were ex sharks, some new etc etc.

[CastOnThis]

Does anyone have any recent visits to discuss (post raid)? I have only seen one on here and it almost appeared to be a joke. Ha the punter was pissed on from above?It seemed like the place is still functioning as though it never happened. Some of the girls were hot when I went, but they weren't as hot overall as the first time I visited back in 2014.

[Action22]

I've done Madrid, and not a fan of the clubs there. Here is some supplementary info. Girls mainly dressed and not nude (or skimpy outfits). Showers in room, so there is no showers to take in between sessions outside the room like in.

De.

And now, what constitutes as great session is the question as my sampling wasn't great of even good as far as session although limited. All BBBJ except one girl was covered (which was BS since the rate was 110 per half hour) at an expensive club called Vive which some guys think girls are stunning? Not on my books. I have not seen a girl there I would call stunning. You got EE (Romies, Bulgarian, etc.) like anywhere else. Pricing wise, and quality of the LU, and given the club operates late at night onwards, De is better. All but one girl's service I would consider below avg to worse in Spain. Vive is not worth 110 per half hour. I'd rather go to Switzerland for the rate.

80 Euros entry is Artemis where you get crap food. There are other clubs in De, you got discount specials or lower entry priced and better LU than majority of the clubs I've seen in Spain. Not that eager to go back, not worth it unless you got some business or time fillers to do other things during the day. For mongering as main objective there is no contest with De.

P.S. I saw a girl at Vive Madrid (so called club with stunners with 110 per half rate), who I've met at Mondial a discount club in the past. I can get a session with her 30 Euros per 20 min at Mondial. What Vive has going is a lot of girls, and so does De, but nude with much lower rate.1) BCN MAD, not even close. Tons of prives, great service, reasonably priced. Greatest brothel of my lifetime was Showgirls BCN (Bailen 22). Long gone. But a lot of memories-and I was paying something like $180/ hour there (it was still pesetas when they were open).

2) Artemis just blows. There are two clubs in DE I've personally banned, them and Palace. They apparently have the same business model: let the pimps do whatever they want because girls never get fired, and customers are treated like suckers. The location has a lot of value (both close to their respective Messen), but it's not conclusive. But both places are run so unprofessionally, I mean, I guess there's a segment who likes burning their dough and the management telling you what a favor they're doing you letting you burn your dough there. I just don't want to deal with it or them. Palace has been banned since 2007 LOL.

[Action22]

Can add in that Artemis has some 10-15 new girls the past 2 months. Some of them looks quite good. I suck with names, so I forgot all the new ones though. Some were ex sharks, some new etc etc.They're all sharks there if you ask me.

[ZimmerBaby]

The reception and a couple of German girls confirmed that there has been a major change regarding price structures. The girls can charge whatever they want. A German girl wanted 100 for half an hour including BBBJ and kissing. 80 CBJ and no kissing. EEs more humble and giving sessions for old price. Terrible!

[ZimmerBaby]

I have no reliable info regarding the background for this change which startet last Thursday or Friday. But we can only guess. Either you are independent or not. 23 milliones probably makes an organisation reconsider its strategy.

[Ararat]

Yes, no doubt.

However bad it may be for us it is the only logical way forward. Be laissez faire all you want. It will happen in all clubs after a raid (or before to avoid raids).


I have no reliable info regarding the background for this change which startet last Thursday or Friday. But we can only guess. Either you are independent or not. 23 milliones probably makes an organisation rethink their strategy.

[Mr Ho]

The reception and a couple of German girls confirmed that there has been a major change regarding price structures. The girls can charge whatever they want. A German girl wanted 100 for half an hour including BBBJ and kissing. 80 CBJ and no kissing. EEs more humble and giving sessions for old price. Terrible!That's Globe Zürich price! Reception should kick out those girls who charge more than before!

If this is so, then let move to Frankfurt or Nrw, there are more clubs out there.

[FlyByCable]

No. Read it. It states very clearly: All sex must be covered, including blowjobs.

HB.And with that it will be an opportunity for the girls to charge an extra 50 euro for BJ without condom.

[Pistons]

Well, then I wonder how this will end. If they raise the price like that, then we might just as well go to switzerland. Really bad news this.

[Exodus8]

The reception and a couple of German girls confirmed that there has been a major change regarding price structures. The girls can charge whatever they want. A German girl wanted 100 for half an hour including BBBJ and kissing. 80 CBJ and no kissing. EEs more humble and giving sessions for old price. Terrible!I suppose that also means that punters can negotiate a lower rate as well and / or ask for 15 min and pay 30 e etc.

Like a free market place with ask/bid prices lol

[Pistons]

I suppose that also means that punters can negotiate a lower rate as well and / or ask for 15 min and pay 30 e etc.

Like a free market place with ask/bid prices lolOr pay by the minute, with a timer on the door.

2 euro's a minute, and you pop after 3 minutes.

[Exodus8]

Or pay by the minute, with a timer on the door.

2 euro's a minute, and you pop after 3 minutes.😁 think I will visit FRA or some other clubs in Dusseldorf area instead.

[FiddyCent]

Or pay by the minute, with a timer on the door.

2 euro's a minute, and you pop after 3 minutes.The girl will just stare at you for 3 minutes and do nothing, but try to upsell you for kissing. In the long run Pistons, this will cost you more. LOL. .

FiddyCent.

[Exodus8]

The girl will just stare at you for 3 minutes and do nothing, but try to upsell you for kissing. In the long run Pistons, this will cost you more. LOL. .

FiddyCent.Obviously you have to fuck her and cum in those 3 min while she try to upsell you kissing, LOL.

[Mr Ho]

If there are no house rule. Then what is the point of FKK. It is basically just shark land filled with lies, rip off, and Artemis just went down to some low scam fraud pool working girl house.

If rumor is true, it is better off going to FKK in Hessen or NRW.

What is the point of FKK with no set rule on prices. We simply end up getting ripped off!!

I hope Artemis make some announcement on their website as this thing is confusing what is going on.

[FiddyCent]

Obviously you have to fuck her and cum in those 3 min while she try to upsell you kissing, LOL.Obviously, Exodus8.

I can picture it now. She will start the clock, and as you are just slipping on the condom and pumping her, she will say kissing is 50 Euros more. Alternatively, if you are getting the 3 minute BBBJ CIM.

"special", she will have to use sign language and mumble her proposal to you. LOL.

FiddyCent.

[Pistons]

The girl will just stare at you for 3 minutes and do nothing, but try to upsell you for kissing. In the long run Pistons, this will cost you more. LOL. .

FiddyCent.Well, you just start the clock and start pumping her. No need to tell her how fast you are going to cum. Then as you pop, you just run out the door with the dong still on, hitting the clock on the way out. Like fast chess, or a sprint relay, perhaps with a friend waiting outside the door ready to jump in and take over.

Then you pay afterwards when looking at the watch. 2 min and 45 sec = 5. 50 euro.

[FiddyCent]

Well, you just start the clock and start pumping her. No need to tell her how fast you are going to cum. Then as you pop, you just run out the door with the dong still on, hitting the clock on the way out. Like fast chess, or a sprint relay, perhaps with a friend waiting outside the door ready to jump in and take over.

Then you pay afterwards when looking at the watch. 2 min and 45 sec = 5. 50 euro.Hey Pistons.

Great timing! Although, I would round up to 6 Euros for the session. After all, I have to give my FiddyCent tip.

FC.

[PussyLiccker]

Well, you just start the clock and start pumping her. No need to tell her how fast you are going to cum. Then as you pop, you just run out the door with the dong still on, hitting the clock on the way out. Like fast chess, or a sprint relay, perhaps with a friend waiting outside the door ready to jump in and take over.

Then you pay afterwards when looking at the watch. 2 min and 45 sec = 5. 50 euro.
Personally, I prefer the system they had an option of 25 Euros for the initial 15 min like some clubs had in the past. That way, if you run into a disaster, get the fuck out and you lose half of the typical rate of 50 or 60.

You make it sound like a game contest Pistons. LOL. Who can DFK, DATY, BBBJ, and have her orgasm in record time is the winner! You got a buzzer clock outside you push as you finish the business as quickly as possible! Hehe.

Funny stuff.

[MaxSquatter]

The reception and a couple of German girls confirmed that there has been a major change regarding price structures. The girls can charge whatever they want. A German girl wanted 100 for half an hour including BBBJ and kissing. 80 CBJ and no kissing. EEs more humble and giving sessions for old price. Terrible!Did you hear this directly from the people at artemis? Hard to imagine they can continue with prices like that. Did you have any sessions at these inflated prices? It's possible that prices could come down if business starts to slacken (if indeed it is now a free market in prices).

[ZimmerBaby]

Did you hear this directly from the people at artemis? Hard to imagine they can continue with prices like that. Did you have any sessions at these inflated prices? It's possible that prices could come down if business starts to slacken (if indeed it is now a free market in prices).Yes. Directly from Artemis. No overpriced sessions for me. They should rename it FKK Titanic.

[MaxSquatter]

Tragic. Will other clubs adopt the ladies' name your own prices policy to avoid legal trouble of calling the girls employees? This free market issue could sort itself out with better pricing. But apprehensions about the club already are on high and I imagine some of the girls have begun looking for another club. I hope artemis can hold on. It had a lot going for it during my visit. I also hope I can locate a couple of my previous providers if / when they leave.

[Pistons]

You make it sound like a game contest Pistons. LOL. Who can DFK, DATY, BBBJ, and have her orgasm in record time is the winner! You get bonus points which can be traded in for drink coupons, massages downstairs, free entries or good food. But you need to hit a certain amount of challenges first. If you can give the girl an orgasm, that's a glas of champaigne.

[Mr Ho]

Yes. Directly from Artemis. No overpriced sessions for me. They should rename it FKK Titanic.It is not FKK Artemis any more then. No price policy means out law working girl house. Where clients are taken for fool. I mean in long run, it will damage their business as simply we as clients can move onto other clubs or other nations FKK.

Like in society FKK should have some rule.

Well if it get too much I move to Hessen FKKs or try out NRW FKKs.

[Galazy2]

Damn, that's sad news. Sounds like the end of a golden age. But it was wonderful while it lasted.

[Banana Boi]

major change regarding price structures. The girls can charge whatever they want. A German girl wanted 100 for half an hour including BBBJ and kissing. 80 CBJ and no kissing. EEs more humble and giving sessions for old price. Terrible!Expect a lot of Palace girls and the old GT German regime to move north to Berlin.

I guess Berlin is out forever.

[PayForIt]

Damn, that's sad news. Sounds like the end of a golden age. But it was wonderful while it lasted.Wow this is beginning to sound like a funeral. Can we please get things back into perspective? There has been a raid and there are some initial impact waves. One of them may be that the girls see an opportunity to cash in with higher rates. That cannot last. One of two things will happen. Either mongers will feel they are being conned and will stop going to Artemis in favor of other destinations where it is much cheaper, or otherwise they will start to realise that to keep the custom and the club alive they will need to get prices back into line. If Artemis doesn't hold on there will be no other FKK in Berlin which is the biggest shame. But even that would change and no doubt some entrepreneur will consider it worthwhile opening one. Having first liaised with the relevant authorities to ensure all laws are complied with to avoid any repetition of what happened here. But the club is still open. There are still girls in it. They will want to make money. If every punter laughed out loud at crazy prices being suggested, and didn't weaken and accept, nobody would be going to the rooms and the girls would be paying more to work there than they are getting back. That would mean they lower the prices to normal to make it economically viable. So can we please stop the hysteria. There is a temporary blip. It might last weeks, or months but Artemis will survive, the girls will stop being silly on prices or others will arrive willing to offer normal prices. The only reason the girls in Artemis get away with 60 for 30 minutes is that there is no other rival club. The choice offered in NRW area is so good that prices remain low to due to competition. Berlin needs more than one FKK. It is amazing that Frankfurt has so many, and in and around Dusseldorf, but not Berlin (or Munich).

It would be absolutely terrific if someone could post on here a visit in the last 3 days which is positive, gives details of the girls, an update on what's happening with prices and starts to settle some nerves. Hold tight. The ride has become a bit bumpy but it doesn't mean it inevitably will end in a crash!

[Pistons]

It is not FKK Artemis any more then. No price policy means out law working girl house. Where clients are taken for fool. I mean in long run, it will damage their business as simply we as clients can move onto other clubs or other nations FKK.

Like in society FKK should have some rule.

Well if it get too much I move to Hessen FKKs or try out NRW FKKs.I completely agree with you there. The police and law enforcers got this upside down. Not to mention how some of the girls were proud to 'work' in a club as opposed to get labelled as freelance prostitutes. With this change, they are basically a freelance prostitute again. Which they look down upon like the street hookers.

[Photographe]

Perhaps I am mistaken, but the switch to what sounds like a pricing free-for-all isn't exactly because of this police raid. It's because Artemis wants to regard its women as freelancers rather than full-time employees. In this way, they save on contributions to social security, maybe other associated taxes and costs a full-time employer is expected to pay (maybe unemployment benefits too). Well, the club instead wants to save on these costs and treat the girls as if they were freelancers even though in many respects they must follow the rules of the club (with regard to pricing structure, types of services, lack of contact with customers outside the club, etc.) So the raid is essentially about misclassifying full-time employees as freelancers, something I myself have firsthand experience of here in the USA But I digress.

All Artemis would have to do to stop its troubles with the tax authorities is acknowledge its employees as full-time or part-time as the case may be, and pay their fair share of the associated fees. I don't know the first thing about the financial end of this business, but I would assume the profits are not unhealthy for such an in-demand product. Therefore, if Artemis ownership will accept some loss on its profitability, it can be completely above board legally, remain in business, maintain a consistent price structure, and allow the rest of us who enjoy the club to live (and screw) happily ever after.

Otherwise, the practice of unpredictable and inconsistent pricing could spiral out of control quickly, perhaps even bringing about the abandonment of the club for greener pastures if guys stop showing up, at least the baseline of regulars who must be some decent percentage of the club's profit margins. To do otherwise is to threaten the future of the club's existence on account of shortsighted greed.

Can you imagine. What happens now if a customer and one of the girls go away to a room together and a disagreement arises about the price? What third party will be able to say which one is in the wrong if one rate was agreed to verbally ahead of time and a different amount is demanded after the session is over? Could lead to a lot of ugly scenes and bad feelings all around.

I like this club a lot and hope to see it continue on for many years to come. I also do not wish to see the girls who rely on the club, who have become accustomed to a certain way of life in Berlin, have their livelihoods and their job stability pulled out from underneath them. So I hope we will see the return of fixed pricing and the proper classification of Artemis employees to satisfy all parties involved. Lower profits are better than no profits at all, certainly much better than millions in legal fees, police raids, and uncertainty from the customer base who might prefer to start looking towards other clubs instead (granted, it's the only FKK in Berlin, so some level of competition would make this argument even stronger).

I had planned on spending a few days at the club later in May; I hope to still be able to, but for the moment my travel plans are on hold as I wait and see what happens. I might end up going to Frankfurt instead if it seems like a better situation there, though I would much prefer to spend some time in lovely Berlin and with one of my favorite providers at Artemis. Here's hoping it all works out.

[Mr Ho]

I completely agree with you there. The police and law enforcers got this upside down. Not to mention how some of the girls were proud to 'work' in a club as opposed to get labelled as freelance prostitutes. With this change, they are basically a freelance prostitute again. Which they look down upon like the street hookers.I mean whole point of FKK is to protect both girl and client.

Now clients are not protected at all and there are no rules.

Whether girls have lover boy or pimp is their problem. Not clubs. Artemis had house rule like any other entity and now it is outlaw working girl house if there are no rule.

If there are no house rule, Artemis is no longer FKK. It is just some other tourist trap working girl house where they ripp you off for big cash and lousy service in the room and security will be used to take money out of clients by safety box.

If it is going to be no rule, Artemis will be the worst FKK clients can walk into with no rule at all.

I will ask management myself in my next visit, but Artemis should make some announcement on what will happen with prices etc. Or there should be labor union by girls in Artemis to set prices and make it official announcement, other wise, clients are there to ripped off and security is there to enforce it.

[PussyLiccker]

The reception and a couple of German girls confirmed that there has been a major change regarding price structures. The girls can charge whatever they want. A German girl wanted 100 for half an hour including BBBJ and kissing. 80 CBJ and no kissing. EEs more humble and giving sessions for old price. Terrible!If somebody will be at Artemis, ask the front desk and report back. There are other clubs in De with with standard pricing, and doesn't make sense Artemis would be the sole club in De to allow to charge whatever the girls want(although I have heard of girls charging unofficial extras).

Just to add some perspective, somebody has stated that if you ask the front desk of a NL club near NRW, regarding the pricing, they will state that it's up to the girl and you. I wasn't aware of this before hand (or did I negotiate pricing with the girls at the club), and all girls went by the same rate as in NRW, 50 per half. So, this is the case where the club will state that there is no set pricing, but the girls are going by the same pricing as nearby De clubs in the region.

Another interesting tidbit. In Spain pricing doesn't seem to be standarized(for the most part), but interestingly one of the most expensively rated club is much higher priced per half hour(Vive, 110 per half), and what's really interesting is that it doesn't seem negotiable, but likely fixed. It's interesting that at another venue(Estark), which doesn't seem to be fixed because girls will quote different pricing, girls quote lower than Vive. It's interesting since Vive has heaps of girls compared to the other clubs. Different venues in Spain seems to go by different pricing by the girls in the clubs, but club like Estark was the one I ran into various rate proposed. Hmmm.

Other places outside De has standard pricing as well. GT Vienna is 60 per half. Switzerland has standard pricing as well.

[Mr Ho]

Perhaps I am mistaken, but the switch to what sounds like a pricing free-for-all isn't exactly because of this police raid. It's because Artemis wants to regard its women as freelancers rather than full-time employees. In this way, they save on contributions to social security, maybe other associated taxes and costs a full-time employer is expected to pay (maybe unemployment benefits too). Well, the club instead wants to save on these costs and treat the girls as if they were freelancers even though in many respects they must follow the rules of the club (with regard to pricing structure, types of services, lack of contact with customers outside the club, etc.) So the raid is essentially about misclassifying full-time employees as freelancers, something I myself have firsthand experience of here in the USA But I digress.

All Artemis would have to do to stop its troubles with the tax authorities is acknowledge its employees as full-time or part-time as the case may be, and pay their fair share of the associated fees. I don't know the first thing about the financial end of this business, but I would assume the profits are not unhealthy for such an in-demand product. Therefore, if Artemis ownership will accept some loss on its profitability, it can be completely above board legally, remain in business, maintain a consistent price structure, and allow the rest of us who enjoy the club to live (and screw) happily ever after..It is serious confusion if there are no longer set price. It kills whole purpose of FKK system and making FKK Artemis just another working girl house Artemis where clients get ripped off all the time.

There should be some house rule maintain some respect between girls and clients.

As usual Fed always do things to mess every thing good. It was all good for both parties.

They made FKK system, it was working and now they destroy FKK system to turn FKK Artemis into working girl house Artemis? I do not see any sense of this.

[Hermann666]

If somebody will be at Artemis, ask the front desk and report back. There are other clubs in De with with standard pricing, and doesn't make sense Artemis would be the sole club in De to allow to charge whatever the girls want(although I have heard of girls charging unofficial extras).

Just to add some perspective, somebody has stated that if you ask the front desk of a NL club near NRW, regarding the pricing, they will state that it's up to the girl and you. I wasn't aware of this before hand (or did I negotiate pricing with the girls at the club), and all girls went by the same rate as in NRW, 50 per half. So, this is the case where the club will state that there is no set pricing, but the girls are going by the same pricing as nearby De clubs in the region.

Another interesting tidbit. In Spain pricing doesn't seem to be standarized(for the most part), but interestingly one of the most expensively rated club is much higher priced per half hour(Vive, 110 per half), and what's really interesting is that it doesn't seem negotiable, but likely fixed. It's interesting that at another venue(Estark), which doesn't seem to be fixed because girls will quote different pricing, girls quote lower than Vive. It's interesting since Vive has heaps of girls compared to the other clubs. Different venues in Spain seems to go by different pricing by the girls in the clubs, but club like Estark was the one I ran into various rate proposed. Hmmm.

Other places outside De has standard pricing as well. GT Vienna is 60 per half. Switzerland has standard pricing as well.Several clubs in DE have disclaimers on their web page just like this one from LR:

"Dear Gentlemen,

The female guests are self-employed just like the individual masseurs working at any given time and offer their services fully independently and on their own account.

Payment for services from the women present is made exclusively to the respective lady of your choice.

We would especially like to point out that no services from the female guests are covered by the entry fee.

Please agree details exclusively with the female guests.

We wish you an enjoyable stay. ".

In many cases, pricing for the girl's services are not listed or it's stated that the girls can charge what they like but that they have agreed on a price of x euros for has an hour.

Clubs clearly want it to look like the girls are free entrepreneurs. How it works in reality I don't know. When I was at an FKK in Switzerland payment was made to the girl when we were standing in the reception. Then the girl handed the money over to the receptionist. The club needs to collect and pay the VAT for the session which is different compared to Germany.

[AznNick]

I will be going to Artemis Friday+Saturday night and will report back regarding the new pricing. Kinda reminds me of FKK Babylon hamburg, BBJ 20, kissing 10, touching the pussy 10 etc.

If any want heads up this week, PM me.

[Banana Boi]

Let's be positive. Maybe the girls will charge 40 euro for hh to undercut other girls.

[Ararat]

Perhaps I am mistaken, but the switch to what sounds like a pricing free-for-all isn't exactly because of this police raid. It's because Artemis wants to regard its women as freelancers rather than full-time employees.Sort of true but Artemis and the other clubs have always said the girls are self employed. This smacks of being told by the authorities that the authorities aren't buying that. If Artemis suddenly changes their pricing then pricing was likely stated as one of the reasons for the raid. This is bad since it implies that all clubs are liable for taxes and shouldn't be surprised if they too are visited by the authorities.

[Hessen Bub]

When did this change in price policy happen? Friends of mine were at Artemis the day after the raid and didn't mention it.

HB.

[Pistons]

I have no reliable info regarding the background for this change which startet last Thursday or Friday.This according to zimmerbaby.

[Mr Ho]

This according to zimmerbaby.If this info tend to be official, then we should not go near Artemis anymore and move on to Hessen FKK or Nrw or Austria or Switzerland.

FKK with no rule. It is not FKK, but clients trapped working girl house.

[Nooky Ninja]

Everything seem completely normal (Ninja in house last night, normal finance). Think official policy change to show girls independent, but actual price practice not change. Probably some legal thing. Some girls might try to take advantage but for most, every thing stays same. Always ask before zimmer, but good practice anyway.

Hard to believe when system in stress, prices would increase like 40%. And constant negotiation make experience unpleasant, even if eventually prices would settle down. Everyone knows this would mess up place. But Ninja see no change. One man, over 3 nights last week and this (suffer from Spring fever), so limited experience. But all this panic not needed.

So everyone just relax and enjoy. Slightly less crowds than normal, but good food and atmosphere and choices.

Good if others also make reports from actual experience. Zimmerbaby, what you actually pay? My guess same as usual?

[ShoesAndSocks]

I will ask management myself in my next visit, but Artemis should make some announcement on what will happen with prices etc.Under Erotics, Artemis website used to say "The charge is 60.00 for half an hour of excellent Sex (FO and Intercourse). Please discuss any further desires directly with the ARTEMIS lady of your choice.".

Now it just says "Please discuss any desires directly with the ARTEMIS lady of your choice.".

[Hessen Bub]

Sure they had to take the 60€ of the homepage. Most other clubs don't mention any rates for the girls.

I guess some girls will try to rip off tourists or newbies but nothing will change around pricing.

HB.

[Exodus8]

Sure they had to take the 60 of the homepage. Most other clubs don't mention any rates for the girls.

I guess some girls will try to rip off tourists or newbies but nothing will change around pricing.

HB.True indeed as they likely won't mention pricing at the reception anymore.

Ask the girl about price the answer will be:

For standard 30 min I. E. Suck and fuck its 100 e, 50 e extra for BBBJ, 50 e for kissing, 50 e for DATY etc LOL.

Artemis will be the real shark tank ☺.

[Devilspinkick]

True indeed as they likely won't mention pricing at the reception anymore.

Ask the girl about price the answer will be:

For standard 30 min I. E. Suck and fuck its 100 e, 50 e extra for BBBJ, 50 e for kissing, 50 e for DATY etc LOL.

Artemis will be the real shark tank ☺.I was at Artemis last night & it was a pretty slow night for the dames. Not a lot of punters in the house; not sure if it was because of the current legal issues or because there was some big football game going on.

Met a dame named Valentina (Colombian) who was promising this & that, how it would be the best ever, etc. , etc. I said, "You must have worked at the Palace before". She replied,

"Why yes, I have worked there. " LOL, so predictable. But I usually just let the dames know beforehand that I'm interested in an hour session & if I have a good time I'll give her.

Around €150. If I don't have a good time then she'll get the base price for an hour. And I'll never go with her again. Simple.

But I think days of the quick cheapies are coming to an end. Seriously, how can you expect a dame to pay the bills at only €60 (at Artemis) a pop?

- DSK.

[Mr Ho]

Everything seem completely normal (Ninja in house last night, normal finance). Think official policy change to show girls independent, but actual price practice not change. Probably some legal thing. Some girls might try to take advantage but for most, every thing stays same. Always ask before zimmer, but good practice anyway.

Hard to believe when system in stress, prices would increase like 40%. And constant negotiation make experience unpleasant, even if eventually prices would settle down. Everyone knows this would mess up place. But Ninja see no change. One man, over 3 nights last week and this (suffer from Spring fever), so limited experience. But all this panic not needed.

So everyone just relax and enjoy. Slightly less crowds than normal, but good food and atmosphere and choices.

Good if others also make reports from actual experience. Zimmerbaby, what you actually pay? My guess same as usual?60 euro for 30 min, 120 euro for one hour CIM 50 euro, anal 100 euro should be the price. Which already is bit higher than other FKK in Germany, so fair enough.

Nobody should back down for some girls taking advantage and fuck it up for everybody including herself in long run. , though most of them can only think in short run.

[Craiova]

First of all the concern about getting tax issues with authorities concerning the self-employment of the WG has right now EVERY German FKK club after it looks that the authorities have changed their position or tolerance about this. So it's very likely that ALL clubs soon don't say anything how much the service with the girls cost. Different prices from girl to girl and for locals and tourists we had already unoffiziell at most clubs which where used by larger number of tourists. So I think there won't be any large difference. But maybe better clear these things now before going in room with the girl. So at the moment I don't see any price change locals pay the old standard and tourists pay more like before. And before the tourists now here complain it's same system all over the world. I pay in Moscow, Mexico, Sao Paulo, Capetown or Bucharest also many times more for P6 than the locals there. Nevertheless at the moment Germany is for me still the best P6 destination in the world even for tourists if you prefer european style girls more that Asian or African style girls. A general prices increase even for locals I expect with introduction of the new prostitution law on July, 1st 2017.

[ShoesAndSocks]

Where I live, there are private escorts going it on their own, ladies working in brothels, and the girls doing it tough and illegal on the streets. Three very distinct and separate ways of working, and as mongering options. Very black and white.

So, this self-employed-WLs-working-in-a-brothel model and its workings will be very confusing for overseas visitors. As HB notes, it's shades of grey.

[Eszpresszo]

Expect a lot of Palace girls and the old GT German regime to move north to Berlin.

I guess Berlin is out forever.Comments like these are what make me feel that the mongers who go to Germany must be the lamest mongers on this site. Too much of the mongering scene on this site focuses on the easy solution provided by the FKK clubs, which appeal to foreigners who can't be bothered to learn German or look below the surface and behind the advertisements. Berlin has the largest number of independents in Germany as well as a plethora of traditional brothels, which you won't find elsewhere in the nation.

I've never visited an FKK, so what happens at Artemis means nothing to me. I had a great time in Berlin and others can too, if they want to look beyond their nose and take advantage of what Berlin offers. As a former resident of Germany and someone who has visited pretty much all the major cities and tours every region (except Thuringia, which appears to be a dead zone for mongers) and I feel that Berlin is the most sexualized city in Germany.

BTW, I went to Medellin, Colombia and had a great time last week. The girls were young and pretty and the cost was a fraction of what it would cost for a session in Berlin. But, truth be told the Colombian chicas lacked the professionalism of the Germans. Those independents I visited in Berlin last October delivered a superb experience and set the standards for good mongering. And in the end, I felt I easily got what I paid for. So, if you are looking to have a good time in Germany, I suggest one spend more time perusing Kaufmich.com and Berlinintime. De than worrying about the overpriced brothel called Artemis.

[MaxSquatter]

Your thoughts about putting travel to Berlin on hold are mine as well. Just out of curiosity who is your favorite artemis provider?


Perhaps I am mistaken, but the switch to what sounds like a pricing free-for-all isn't exactly because of this police raid. It's because Artemis wants to regard its women as freelancers rather than full-time employees. In this way, they save on contributions to social security, maybe other associated taxes and costs a full-time employer is expected to pay (maybe unemployment benefits too). Well, the club instead wants to save on these costs and treat the girls as if they were freelancers even though in many respects they must follow the rules of the club (with regard to pricing structure, types of services, lack of contact with customers outside the club, etc.) So the raid is essentially about misclassifying full-time employees as freelancers, something I myself have firsthand experience of here in the USA But I digress.


I had planned on spending a few days at the club later in May; I hope to still be able to, but for the moment my travel plans are on hold as I wait and see what happens. I might end up going to Frankfurt instead if it seems like a better situation there, though I would much prefer to spend some time in lovely Berlin and with one of my favorite providers at Artemis. Here's hoping it all works out.

[ShoesAndSocks]

Your thoughts about putting travel to Berlin on hold are mine as well.Me too, and I'm sure there would be others feeling it's prudent to wait for the dust to settle.

And, yes, there may be many alternatives in the great city of Berlin, but independents hold no interest for me, and as far as traditional brothels go, I've done enough of that to last me a lifetime.

[Optimist]

Comments like these are what make me feel that the mongers who go to Germany must be the lamest mongers on this site. Too much of the mongering scene on this site focuses on the easy solution provided by the FKK clubs, which appeal to foreigners who can't be bothered to learn German or look below the surface and behind the advertisements. Berlin has the largest number of independents in Germany as well as a plethora of traditional brothels, which you won't find elsewhere in the nation.

I've never visited an FKK, so what happens at Artemis means nothing to me. I had a great time in Berlin and others can too, if they want to look beyond their nose and take advantage of what Berlin offers. As a former resident of Germany and someone who has visited pretty much all the major cities and tours every region (except Thuringia, which appears to be a dead zone for mongers) and I feel that Berlin is the most sexualized city in Germany.

BTW, I went to Medellin, Colombia and had a great time last week. The girls were young and pretty and the cost was a fraction of what it would cost for a session in Berlin. But, truth be told the Colombian chicas lacked the professionalism of the Germans. Those independents I visited in Berlin last October delivered a superb experience and set the standards for good mongering. And in the end, I felt I easily got what I paid for. So, if you are looking to have a good time in Germany, I suggest one spend more time perusing Kaufmich.com and Berlinintime. De than worrying about the overpriced brothel called Artemis.As you've never been to FKK it's presumptuous of you to call Banana Boi and others "lame".

Fine if you have a paysex model that suits you, but that doesn't make it superior. In no way is FKK for lazy people who can't speak German. Of course there are some who fly in who aren't experienced or clever, but you can't tar all FKK visitors with the same brush.

[Guy93]

The thing is I can visit independents at their apartments or order an escort in my country.

I just think FKK model is the best, cheapest, easiest and safest way to buy sex.

[MaxSquatter]

Are you planning any other FKK trips in the meantime? Has there been any fallout like at artemis with these wild price increases at other FKK's? I am curious about visiting sharks and am worried that other FKK's may start removing rules of prices like have been done at artemis. Ever been to sharks?


Me too, and I'm sure there would be others feeling it's prudent to wait for the dust to settle.

And, yes, there may be many alternatives in the great city of Berlin, but independents hold no interest for me, and as far as traditional brothels go, I've done enough of that to last me a lifetime.

[Prurient6]

Comments like these are what make me feel that the mongers who go to Germany must be the lamest mongers on this site. Too much of the mongering scene on this site focuses on the easy solution provided by the FKK clubs, which appeal to foreigners who can't be bothered to learn German or look below the surface and behind the advertisements. Berlin has the largest number of independents in Germany as well as a plethora of traditional brothels, which you won't find elsewhere in the nation.

I've never visited an FKK, so what happens at Artemis means nothing to me. I had a great time in Berlin and others can too, if they want to look beyond their nose and take advantage of what Berlin offers. As a former resident of Germany and someone who has visited pretty much all the major cities and tours every region (except Thuringia, which appears to be a dead zone for mongers) and I feel that Berlin is the most sexualized city in Germany.

BTW, I went to Medellin, Colombia and had a great time last week. The girls were young and pretty and the cost was a fraction of what it would cost for a session in Berlin. But, truth be told the Colombian chicas lacked the professionalism of the Germans. Those independents I visited in Berlin last October delivered a superb experience and set the standards for good mongering. And in the end, I felt I easily got what I paid for. So, if you are looking to have a good time in Germany, I suggest one spend more time perusing Kaufmich.com and Berlinintime. De than worrying about the overpriced brothel called Artemis.I'd say most of us are here because this forum is about FKK Artemis and we greatly enjoy the FKK experience, which is spending a long time in a comfortable and safe environment full of attractive naked women, evaluating the offer and making selections once in a while, resting, eating, sleeping, fucking, etc. You may call that "lame" but it is our personal preference. Personally, I get a lot of pleasure just from the extended "visual foreplay" (especially as I get older) in Brazilian termas or in German FKK clubs (I fondly remember the Atlantis in Altenstadt). I also enjoy hanging around and selecting from provocatively clothed girls as in Spanish clubs (the "Rivi" in Castelldefels near Barcelona was the greatest IMHO before it closed down, arguably because of owner corruption just like Atlantis) or in so many bars / clubs / discos in Asian cities.

At least for me, all of these are way above picking out a call girl based on photos posted online as you recommend (a pathetic, solitary activity), or cruising the streets while risking sting operations as in the great and proud "free" US -- what a humiliating activity! So while you may consider hanging out in a German FKK lame, I consider it exquisitely decadent and pleasurable--the closest to a harem a middle-class man can have in today's society. That's why it's popular, and that's why so many of us are worried it might go away.

[Craiova]

I just think FKK model is the best, cheapest, easiest and safest way to buy sex.+ 1 and I don't see any reason why this should change.

[ShoesAndSocks]

Are you planning any other FKK trips in the meantime? Ever been to sharks?Yes, Sharks would be my next choice in Germany after Artemis. Not hearing of any impact elsewhere due to Artemis raid.

[DethManRulz]

Comments like these are what make me feel that the mongers who go to Germany must be the lamest mongers on this site. Too much of the mongering scene on this site focuses on the easy solution provided by the FKK clubs, which appeal to foreigners who can't be bothered to learn German or look below the surface and behind the advertisements. Berlin has the largest number of independents in Germany as well as a plethora of traditional brothels, which you won't find elsewhere in the nation.

I've never visited an FKK, so what happens at Artemis means nothing to me. I had a great time in Berlin and others can too, if they want to look beyond their nose and take advantage of what Berlin offers. As a former resident of Germany and someone who has visited pretty much all the major cities and tours every region (except Thuringia, which appears to be a dead zone for mongers) and I feel that Berlin is the most sexualized city in Germany.

BTW, I went to Medellin, Colombia and had a great time last week. The girls were young and pretty and the cost was a fraction of what it would cost for a session in Berlin. But, truth be told the Colombian chicas lacked the professionalism of the Germans. Those independents I visited in Berlin last October delivered a superb experience and set the standards for good mongering. And in the end, I felt I easily got what I paid for. So, if you are looking to have a good time in Germany, I suggest one spend more time perusing Kaufmich.com and Berlinintime. De than worrying about the overpriced brothel called Artemis.It's weird to see a post that has a superiority complex on this subject. Does he realize he's visiting prostitutes and paying for sex? Let's not get too pompous here.

[XXL]

I've never visited an FKK, so what happens at Artemis means nothing to me.That's a mistake. Nothing that happens to any segment of the prostituion market should mean "nothing" to you if you patronize prostitutes. The prostituion market is very sensitive and it can get eroded little by little, until what you have left is lap dances and MILFs doing handjobs for 150 euros.

Put it another way, where are most of the Artemis customers going to go for sex in Berlin if Artemis vanishes? They will patronize the alternative places you mention and drive the prices up (instead of blowing their money at Artemis'). The money will go where there's supply but at the end of the day supply is limited (even in a prostution haven like Berlin and Frankfurt).

[Pistons]

until what you have left is lap dances and MINLFs doing handjobs for 150 euros.

There, fixed it for you...

Moms I'd Not Like to Fuck.

[ExpatLover]

That's a mistake. Nothing that happens to any segment of the prostituion market should mean "nothing" to you if you patronize prostitutes. The prostitution market is very sensitive and it can get eroded little by little, until what you have left is lap dances and MILFs doing handjobs for 150 euros.

Put it another way, where are most of the Artemis customers going to go for sex in Berlin if Artemis vanishes? They will patronize the alternative places you mention and drive the prices up (instead of blowing their money at Artemis'). The money will go where there's supply but at the end of the day supply is limited (even in a prostution haven like Berlin and Frankfurt).There will be no impact on the overall P6 in Germany, remember 1 year back there was also a police action in World and 0 consequences, P6 is legal in Germany what is illegal is trafficking human being and not paying the taxes what seem to be the problem with Artemis.

[PussyLiccker]

Several clubs in DE have disclaimers on their web page just like this one from LR:

"Dear Gentlemen,

The female guests are self-employed just like the individual masseurs working at any given time and offer their services fully independently and on their own account.

Payment for services from the women present is made exclusively to the respective lady of your choice.

We would especially like to point out that no services from the female guests are covered by the entry fee.

Please agree details exclusively with the female guests.

We wish you an enjoyable stay. ".

In many cases, pricing for the girl's services are not listed or it's stated that the girls can charge what they like but that they have agreed on a price of x euros for has an hour.That's interesting. Websites used to have pricing of the session, and I don't see that anymore with the disclaimer you mention above. Also, select clubs used to have status on if girls are present on the club, and that's no more. So, there must be something going on that clubs stopped providing those info. I can even recall clubs asking if I was new or not, and providing info on the room rate and extras. As to that still happens, dunno. If anybody has clubbed around should know that there are different rates at clubs despite no info given on the websites. GT had the same disclaimer for the longest time despite their rate changes that weren't given out on the website. Funny thing is a forum wiped all the discussion of rate change when it happened.

So, the disclaimer on Artemis website is nothing new as other clubs have the same, but the standard pricing still remains the same at other clubs in De, and you will get those rate(if you are not ignorant of it). It wasn't that long ago, you ask the front desk and they will tell you the pricing, but I question if that still goes on still in any club and they will just state that it's up to you and the girl. Hmmm. If this is the case, how are disputes handled?

Definitely there has been changes that has gone on. Way back, I recall discussion on day and night shifts of girls which made it seem like schedule was set(not at Artemis), but doesn't seem like that goes on anymore. Despite what the law state about free employment, there has been discussions about things at other clubs besides Artemis regarding all those issues(like not meeting clientele outside, management, rules, etc.). Seems to me that there is stricter enforcement than in the past, and Artemis just got tipped off for the big raid.

[Kimino]

Hola chicos.

All is exactly the same. Prices didn't change, service didn't change, food was better than normal (this the only thing that changed).

Relax, by the pool.

Kimino.

[PussyLiccker]

.I've never visited an FKK,..

That's the thing, you never visited an FKK, so your points are mute. Sure, you can talk about the escort scene or what other alternatives, or many alternatives are fair points given the lack of big mainstream FKK competition in Berlin, but I don't see how you can make a point about FKK without visiting. Please provide some good info about alternatives in Berlin on the threads about Berlin (there is a specific thread for those comments) scene other than FKKs.

Until you visit, you will not know the pros and cons of such establishments. With so many in De, why not try them out?

[MaxSquatter]

That's good to know. Can you expound upon that? An overview of your most recent visit? Thanks!


Hola chicos.

All is exactly the same. Prices didn't change, service didn't change, food was better than normal (this the only thing that changed).

Relax, by the pool.

Kimino.

[Guy93]

All is exactly the same. Prices didn't change, service didn't change, food was better than normal (this the only thing that changed).How is the food better now? I think it was always okay.

[Sanuk327]

That's interesting. Websites used to have pricing of the session, and I don't see that anymore with the disclaimer you mention above. Also, select clubs used to have status on if girls are present on the club, and that's no more. So, there must be something going on that clubs stopped providing those info. I can even recall clubs asking if I was new or not, and providing info on the room rate and extras. As to that still happens, dunno. If anybody has clubbed around should know that there are different rates at clubs despite no info given on the websites. GT had the same disclaimer for the longest time despite their rate changes that weren't given out on the website. Funny thing is a forum wiped all the discussion of rate change when it happened.

So, the disclaimer on Artemis website is nothing new as other clubs have the same, but the standard pricing still remains the same at other clubs in De, and you will get those rate(if you are not ignorant of it). It wasn't that long ago, you ask the front desk and they will tell you the pricing, but I question if that still goes on still in any club and they will just state that it's up to you and the girl. Hmmm. If this is the case, how are disputes handled?

Definitely there has been changes that has gone on. Way back, I recall discussion on day and night shifts of girls which made it seem like schedule was set(not at Artemis), but doesn't seem like that goes on anymore. Despite what the law state about free employment, there has been discussions about things at other clubs besides Artemis regarding all those issues(like not meeting clientele outside, management, rules, etc.). Seems to me that there is stricter enforcement than in the past, and Artemis just got tipped off for the big raid.Babylon in Elsdorf still publishes weekly schedule. http://www.saunaclub-babylon.com/saunaclub-anwesenheit.php.

[Pistons]

How is the food better now? I think it was always okay.Only if you have been in the army or in jail. Then its ok.

In my mind they even fail at making the rice or the pasta right. I bet most of us here on the forum makes better rice or pasta than the Artemis chef. .

But then again, the food is not the main draw. Fortunately :)

[Guy93]

I haven't been to either really. Only small time in army.

Maybe I'm just not a good chef.

And yeah so many good places to eat in Berlin anyway.

[VaeVictis]

How is the food better now? I think it was always okay.Say again? If one likes eating several days old, re-heated food, (according to girls) than Artemis is really good.

Breakfast is passable but I don't eat dinner there, especially with so many good places nearby. But as Pistons say, one does not go to Artemis for food.

I have heard from friend that was in Artemis couple of days ago that LU is smaller than it used to be two weeks ago (he also reports that business goes as usual otherwise). Anyone can confirm this? I mean, some girls may be tempted to go other places (although every girl I talked to said Artemis was best for working girls) until situation in Artemis calms down, but then again they would have to go out of the Berlin if they wanted to work in a FKK (I don't count La Folie as a contender) and variation in LU may be simply natural variation not related to the razzia at all.

[Mr Ho]

It seems Fed will try to close Artemis, but may take months:

http://www.bz-berlin.de/berlin/charlottenburg-wilmersdorf/warum-ist-das-artemis-in-berlin-immer-noch-offen

I mean is this possible? It is good operated FKK that contribute greatly to Berlin tourism. And Fed is making attempt to shut it down.

[DethManRulz]

It seems Fed will try to close Artemis, but may take months:

http://www.bz-berlin.de/berlin/charlottenburg-wilmersdorf/warum-ist-das-artemis-in-berlin-immer-noch-offen

I mean is this possible? It is good operated FKK that contribute greatly to Berlin tourism. And Fed is making attempt to shut it down.Honestly Mr. Ho, while your enthusiasm and naivety is interesting. I think you might be sticking your head in the sand just a little bit.

[Guy93]

Say again?I'm not trying to defend it but just saying there's been okay food also. At least during my visits.

But I haven't visited there for a while now. My latest visit there was back in 2014.

Maybe it's mainly crap food then.

Interesting how they haven't improved it earlier.

[Mr Ho]

Say again? If one likes eating several days old, re-heated food, (according to girls) than Artemis is really good.

Breakfast is passable but I don't eat dinner there, especially with so many good places nearby. But as Pistons say, one does not go to Artemis for food.

I have heard from friend that was in Artemis couple of days ago that LU is smaller than it used to be two weeks ago (he also reports that business goes as usual otherwise). Anyone can confirm this? I mean, some girls may be tempted to go other places (although every girl I talked to said Artemis was best for working girls) until situation in Artemis calms down, but then again they would have to go out of the Berlin if they wanted to work in a FKK (I don't count La Folie as a contender) and variation in LU may be simply natural variation not related to the razzia at all.They do change food daily, so I do not think they re use the food. And refill is rather on time and good, but taste, one cannot expect restaurant quality.

However, when they make past or Knochi, it is not that bad as one cannot go that wrong with past. Though do not expect pizzeria level of course.

I would appreciate nice kebab stand since it is Turkish owned like ice cream van at FKK sharks during summer.

[Hessen Bub]

It seems Fed will try to close Artemis, but may take months:

http://www.bz-berlin.de/berlin/charlottenburg-wilmersdorf/warum-ist-das-artemis-in-berlin-immer-noch-offen

I mean is this possible? It is good operated FKK that contribute greatly to Berlin tourism. And Fed is making attempt to shut it down.A good operated FKK? What do you know about that? All you see is the shiny circus, the smiling girls, the clean image they want you to see.

2015 Berlin had more than 12 Mio tourists. 40% from other countries. Artemis will have less that 150,000 visitors, let's say 50% foreigners. That's what I call a huge contribution to Berlin tourism. LOL.

HB.

[Pistons]

2015 Berlin had more than 12 Mio tourists. 40% from other countries. Artemis will have less that 150,000 visitors, let's say 50% foreigners. That's what I call a huge contribution to Berlin tourism. LOL.

HB.You really should look at money spent instead of numbers of visitors. Otherwise you might be right though. Even though a monger tourist normally spends alot more than the average.

But for a liberal city such as berlin, it strikes me as odd if they want to get rid of anything fkk related altogether. Then again, it could be more a stunt to take out HA...

[Hessen Bub]

Even though a monger tourist normally spends alot more than the average.
.For what? Pussy? Yes. Where does that money go? Not to the state, not to Germany. Most of it is black money, no tax paid and goes to Romania. Otherwise mongers are discussing the cheapest hotels and transportation on ISG.

HB.

[Mr Ho]

For what? Pussy? Yes. Where does that money go? Not to the state, not to Germany. Most of it is black money, no tax paid and goes to Romania. Otherwise mongers are discussing the cheapest hotels and transportation on ISG.

HB.Mr HB,

You do not understand us fly in mongers, we are very ethical charity people, who try our best to better society of Germany contributing our money to possible refugees if we do not fuck them in FKK.

We provide 60 euro, so that they maintain their lives back home in Romania or any other nations girl come from and they do not become refugee.

Therefore, we mongers help Germany a lot by enabling possible refugee to not to be refugee by giving them work to do, which is to suck our dicks among a lot of other sexual related jobs, so actually mongers help greatly not to produce more refugees for Germany.

Of course, we also provide our money to German girls also, but I believe they pay their taxes. As for foreign girls whether they are Romania or from else where, it is us mongers who are trying our best in front line to not make them turn refugee for Germany.

Truth be told, instead of German government paying tax money for them, we monger pay money for them and send them home with relatively big money, they also get job training with our penis for their future marriage.

We mongers are charity workers for possible refugee girls because of us, some of them can live happily back home with money we provide and they also get training to be good wife too and ultimately we mongers help German government to save so much tax.

Mongers penis are the samurai sword to fight against increasing refugee crisis caused by wester bombing and Merkel welcoming all refugees!

We mongers are the penis samurai warriors in front line of refugee crisis and we are one, we are united force! LOL.

Our penis save so much taxes for German government and No Mr HB, it is our money that goes back to Romania etc. And we also use our penis to send them back home with our money.

[PussyLiccker]

Where does that money go? Not to the state, not to Germany. Most of it is black money, no tax paid and goes to Romania. Otherwise mongers are discussing the cheapest hotels and transportation on ISG.

HB.That is actually a good point. Given the money is being made in De, if the bulk of it is mainly going outside the country without taxation, that would be something tax authorities would be mindful of.

I was thinking about how the P6 money actually doesn't recirculate in the country due to Romanians (or other non-resident foreign) workers in the country. Besides the entry that comes in, most of what they make will go to their countries. The most of that money spent by tourists or De punters in the clubs on foreign WGs, wouldn't recirculate in De.

This is different from Thailand where due to low economy status, the sex tourism built there that brings in money in to the country.

I've heard about the cocaine wars(war against drugs that the US government started) in the US when a lot of the cashflow leaving the US to Colombia was the ticker for the much enforcement took place back then. Huge flow of money were leaving the country.

[Lalo77]

Guys,

Is there anyone here visited the club after the raid? I mean we need to read an experience. The girls. The L you. Facilities. Prices. Price per session. Attitude. Etc.

[SuppenHuhn]

No more pics from the pretty girls at Artemis homepage.

Jenna would like to come back middle or end of August to work.

If you want to have contact personally to meet her (hopefully at Artemis) please contact her at [Email address deleted by Admin]

I should wish many greetings from her to the ISG.

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[Hessen Bub]

No more pics from the pretty girls at Artemis homepage.Logical step, maybe too late. Other clubs stopped listing the WG months ago.

HB.

[Mr Ho]

That is actually a good point. Given the money is being made in De, if the bulk of it is mainly going outside the country without taxation, that would be something tax authorities would be mindful of.

I was thinking about how the P6 money actually doesn't recirculate in the country due to Romanians (or other non-resident foreign) workers in the country. Besides the entry that comes in, most of what they make will go to their countries. The most of that money spent by tourists or De punters in the clubs on foreign WGs, wouldn't recirculate in De.

This is different from Thailand where due to low economy status, the sex tourism built there that brings in money in to the country.

I've heard about the cocaine wars(war against drugs that the US government started) in the US when a lot of the cashflow leaving the US to Colombia was the ticker for the much enforcement took place back then. Huge flow of money were leaving the country.LOL so now Germany going to declare working girl war? Like war on drug in usa LOL. War on working girls LOL!

Well the money we give to prostitutes in FKK stop them coming to Germany as refugee, so it is saving big chunk of German tax money by using our money.

We give them money, we insert our penis, give them job training for girls future marriage in their nation and as a result save a lot of German tax.

If we mongers give them money and insert penis into them, they will not just turn into refugee, but them and their family come to German boarder as refugees and it will cost German government millions of euros from hard working tax money.

Also remember if they come they will [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) the train station which German police think is ok for refugees to do.

It is hard to understand how [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) train stations are OK by German police, but they raid very well managed FKK Artemis who are front line warrior to stop refugees coming into country by using in big part foreign money.

FKK is the solution and front warrior for tax saving and key to solving refugee crisis.

[Mr Ho]

Logical step, maybe too late. Other clubs stopped listing the WG months ago.

HB.FKK Palace was the first to take the girls list down, maybe they got tipped off that Popo are after some FKK owners.

Anyways, you cannot tell the LU with that lists anyways LOL.

We got our penis radars to detect where the girls are to provide our penis whipping and penis job training for girls future marriage with their lover boys LOL.

[DethManRulz]

Mr HB,

You do not understand us fly in mongers, we are very ethical charity people, who try our best to better society of Germany contributing our money to possible refugees if we do not fuck them in FKK.

We provide 60 euro, so that they maintain their lives back home in Romania or any other nations girl come from and they do not become refugee.

Therefore, we mongers help Germany a lot by enabling possible refugee to not to be refugee by giving them work to do, which is to suck our dicks among a lot of other sexual related jobs, so actually mongers help greatly not to produce more refugees for Germany.

Of course, we also provide our money to German girls also, but I believe they pay their taxes. As for foreign girls whether they are Romania or from else where, it is us mongers who are trying our best in front line to not make them turn refugee for Germany.

Truth be told, instead of German government paying tax money for them, we monger pay money for them and send them home with relatively big money, they also get job training with our penis for their future marriage.

We mongers are charity workers for possible refugee girls because of us, some of them can live happily back home with money we provide and they also get training to be good wife too and ultimately we mongers help German government to save so much tax.

Mongers penis are the samurai sword to fight against increasing refugee crisis caused by wester bombing and Merkel welcoming all refugees!

We mongers are the penis samurai warriors in front line of refugee crisis and we are one, we are united force! LOL.

Our penis save so much taxes for German government and No Mr HB, it is our money that goes back to Romania etc. And we also use our penis to send them back home with our money.Do you think it's possible that this whole time Mr. Ho has just been an elaborate forum troll? Sometimes I'm not sure this is a real person.

[Pistons]

For what? Pussy? Yes. Where does that money go? Not to the state, not to Germany. Most of it is black money, no tax paid and goes to Romania. Otherwise mongers are discussing the cheapest hotels and transportation on ISG.

HB.Its money spent by the girls in the economy of Germany as well. Cars to their boyfriends etc.

I also like Mr.Ho's take on it. Just consider how poor Romania and Bulgaria would be without the sex trade. And how much social security payments EU and Germany would have to help these poor countries with if it had not been for our penises!

Alot!

[MaxSquatter]

Thanks for the info! Do you or anyone here know if Mariella is still at artemis (blonde haired young German girl? Been wanting to go back to Artemis but after the raid am hesitant.


No more pics from the pretty girls at Artemis homepage.

Jenna would like to come back middle or end of August to work.

If you want to have contact personally to meet her (hopefully at Artemis) please contact her at*nicky.21@freenet.de.

I should wish many greetings from her to the ISG..

[Mr Ho]

Its money spent by the girls in the economy of Germany as well. Cars to their boyfriends etc.

I also like Mr.Ho's take on it. Just consider how poor Romania and Bulgaria would be without the sex trade. And how much social security payments EU and Germany would have to help these poor countries with if it had not been for our penises!

Alot!I write most thing half jokingly, but I mean what I write (well most of times). So as I mentioned, not everyone has easy take on life and sex business do help a lot in lower side of food chain and it prevent some families in certain nation going down under completely.

Most have sad ending, but some girls are smart enough to use this trade to move up in life, so we mongers do help them and also help Germany to certain extent on spending some taxes.

As for taxes girls did not pay. I guess the owner may face paying for them. It is quite a large sum according to media and Popo.

All I care is not social side of FKK, I am there to fuck to the climax and pushing my ability to fax to the limit. I love extreme sex pushing the boundaries of FKK sex! I love this broken penis feeling after FKK trip LOL!

Penis warriors!

[PussyLiccker]

It seems Fed will try to close Artemis, but may take months:

http://www.bz-berlin.de/berlin/charlottenburg-wilmersdorf/warum-ist-das-artemis-in-berlin-immer-noch-offen

I mean is this possible? It is good operated FKK that contribute greatly to Berlin tourism. And Fed is making attempt to shut it down.MrHo Arigato. Emily Ratajkowski is sexy as hell. Her slim body and the tits. Those tits on that body is absolute perfection!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqMSh1CtUvs

[Pistons]

I though Ho was a chinese surname common in Hong Kong etc, and not japanese.

For example the richest guy in Macau is a Ho...

[Wolvenvacht]

For what? Pussy? Yes. Where does that money go? Not to the state, not to Germany. Most of it is black money, no tax paid and goes to Romania. Otherwise mongers are discussing the cheapest hotels and transportation on ISG.

HB.They pay taxes, don't be mistaken about that.

And the money they make will be spend on food and drink, rent for their room, clothes and shoes and all other necessities of life.

The larger part of the money they make will remain in Germany and directly or indirectly the German State will get their cut.

[Mr Ho]

MrHo Arigato. Emily Ratajkowski is sexy as hell. Her slim body and the tits. Those tits on that body is absolute perfection!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqMSh1CtUvsWe shall find plastic version of Emily in German FKK, no problem LOL!

[Mr Ho]

I though Ho was a chinese surname common in Hong Kong etc, and not japanese.

For example the richest guy in Macau is a Ho...I originally took this name from Mr working girl because I love working girls so much, but could not be bother to write the whole working girl, so settled on Mr Ho, but it meant Mr working girl the working girl lovers LOL!

Prostitutes are the way to go, not marriage to girl who will turn into some monster as years pass by LOL.

In working girl house, working girls change as years pass by and some sorry ass guy marry those working girls after we fuck them for 60 euro hahahahahaha LOL.

[Buck Rogers]

I've been there this week and all seemed to work normally, for both me and some fellow mongers there.

Price, girls, attitude. Reception confirmed price now needs to be handled with the girls. In practice some girls also explained their price before going to the room and they applied the usual one. Others didn't say anything, I didn't ask, I just paid the old standard.

I guess now, even if it is a free market, it is obvious that there is a reference price. This is normal and it is a concept limited not only to this kind of business.

Maybe there was a little reduction of girls (plenty enough though numberwise).

Maybe the girls don't have mandatory hours (well freelancers) so maybe less presence from 3 am. I didn't actually ask this but I presumed this by observation. Well I had sex after 4 am so I managed.

I say to the ones that are worried right now, don't worry. There might be some girls trying to overcharge but if you are not a clueless client (there shouldn't be any here), I think you shouldn't worry at all now.

What the future holds nobody knows of course.

So before going this week I thought this might be my last visit but if things don't change in the short period, I will be back.

Buck.

[Samplerr]

Do you think it's possible that this whole time Mr. Ho has just been an elaborate forum troll? Sometimes I'm not sure this is a real person.More than possible.

[Hessen Bub]

Well the money we give to prostitutes in FKK stop them coming to Germany as refugee, so it is saving big chunk of German tax money by using our money.

If we mongers give them money and insert penis into them, they will not just turn into refugee, but them and their family come to German boarder as refugees and it will cost German government millions of euros from hard working tax money.
Bullshit. Stop trolling. Majority of the girls is from EU countries. They have the right to live and work everywhere within the EU.

HB.

[Der Auslander]

Well the money we give to prostitutes in FKK stop them coming to Germany as refugee, so it is saving big chunk of German tax money by using our money.

If we mongers give them money and insert penis into them, they will not just turn into refugee, but them and their family come to German boarder as refugees and it will cost German government millions of euros from hard working tax money.I completely agree with HB. This constant stream of bullshit is not adding any value to the forum and is in fact just preventing normal discussion concerning FKK Artemis.

[Riina]

Hi guys,

I'l be at Artemis in May. Would someone please share the basics of pricing? Any tips for a newbie appreciated.

[Guy93]

Hi,

Prices used to be 60 / half hour.

Avoid sharks.

Enjoy yourself.

[Craiova]

They pay taxes, don't be mistaken about that.

And the money they make will be spend on food and drink, rent for their room, clothes and shoes and all other necessities of life.

The larger part of the money they make will remain in Germany and directly or indirectly the German State will get their cut.My experience is different. Most of the money from the romanian Girls they spend in romania. A very rough calculation estimates an anual transfer through P6 from Germany to Romania from around between 1 and 3 billion euro. Most of it goes by car, bus or plane to romania and a smaller part via WU. Only the WU part authorities can check.

[Banana Boi]

Emily Ratajkowski is sexy as hell. Her slim body and the tits. Those tits on that body is absolute perfection!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqMSh1CtUvsEmily reminds me of that Hungarian girl you went with at Oase in 2012.

Personally I'd take Sara Underwood. Maybe I'm biased since I met her in Vegas in 2006.

[PussyLiccker]

Emily reminds me of that Hungarian girl you went with at Oase in 2012.

Personally I'd take Sara Underwood. Maybe I'm biased since I met her in Vegas in 2006.I can't say she looked like her facially, but her body maybe. You know who looks similar facially to Emily? Adele. Similar nose, but not quite the eyes. Of course, body is different(if Adele was slimmer with her tits maybe). Underwood looks good, but Emily has more unique looks IMO. She looks like that due to mixed heritage, some Israeli in her. Some actresses that are part Israeli, Scarlet Johansson, Gal Gadot, Natalie Portman, etc..

Felicia(half Turkish-Pol) at GT facially looks similar to Gal Gadot.

[Wolvenvacht]

My experience is different. Most of the money from the romanian Girls they spend in romania. A very rough calculation estimates an anual transfer through P6 from Germany to Romania from around between 1 and 3 billion euro. Most of it goes by car, bus or plane to romania and a smaller part via WU. Only the WU part authorities can check.So the Romanian girls have discovered the secret of how to stay in a country and not spend money there? They don't have to eat, drink or pay rent? Their clothes, shoes and daily necessities are all imported to them directly from Romania?

OK, lets do a little reality check. It is estimated there are at least about half a million prostitutes in Germany (probably more as they are not all registered, although most are). Let's further assume that about half of them are from Romania. That's probably an overestimation, but we are only trying to establish some rough figures here.

We all know that the average price of a single session is about 50 €. Streetwalkers may charge less, high class escorts will charge considerably more, but again we are only looking at a rough estimate.

Assuming that she does three sessions per day and works 300 days per year (taking into account "time off" going home and for her monthy period), she will have a gross income of 45 000 € and that is probably a low estimate.

That means that the legion of Romanian hookers will generate an income of over 11 billion € of which (at the most) 3 billion € is sent home, or a bit over a quarter of their gross income. Three quarters therefore stays in Germany and is spent here. "Most of the money is spend in Romania"? I don't think so.

Actually, someone able to save more than 25% of their gross income, is doing far above the average I suspect, so most likely the Romanian girls are either more numerous or their income per girl is more or they send less than 3 billion € home.

But however you calculate it, most of the money stays in Germany.

[Howie]

Felicia(half Turkish-Pol) at GT facially looks similar to Gal Gadot.Nah. Felecia has more of a Pocahontas look about her. Beautiful face but slightly stocky lower body. Great service minded girl.

Howie.

[PussyLiccker]

Indeed, great service minded girl.

[Mr Ho]

Bullshit. Stop trolling. Majority of the girls is from EU countries. They have the right to live and work everywhere within the EU.

HB.That is the point, EU is not rich at all and that is why they are coming to Germany LOL Refugees and immigrants are same thing whether you like it or not.

There are rich immigrants, then conditions are different because government welcome rich immigrant with open arm, but if you are poor, then immigrants are same as refugee from federal point of view. They just cannot say openly that if you are poor we do not want you.

This humanity thing government sells you is all bullshit and if you are poor countries only see you as unwanted immigrants, thus refugees.

Remember EU is mostly poor beside Germany, but now with this radical immigration policy. Immigration can be good thing, but Germany ignores quality of immigration. They just accepted anyone from the nations west bombed for decades.

Either way, more EU become poor, more prostitutes, so I will fuck the nice ones LOL! So it is good thing for me LOL!

[Sebastiane]

I've been there this week and all seemed to work normally, for both me and some fellow mongers there.

Price, girls, attitude. Reception confirmed price now needs to be handled with the girls. In practice some girls also explained their price before going to the room and they applied the usual one. Others didn't say anything, I didn't ask, I just paid the old standard.

I guess now, even if it is a free market, it is obvious that there is a reference price. This is normal and it is a concept limited not only to this kind of business.

Maybe there was a little reduction of girls (plenty enough though numberwise).

Maybe the girls don't have mandatory hours (well freelancers) so maybe less presence from 3 am. I didn't actually ask this but I presumed this by observation. Well I had sex after 4 am so I managed.

I say to the ones that are worried right now, don't worry. There might be some girls trying to overcharge but if you are not a clueless client (there shouldn't be any here), I think you shouldn't worry at all now.

What the future holds nobody knows of course.

So before going this week I thought this might be my last visit but if things don't change in the short period, I will be back.

Buck.Thanks! Great to read a normal report again! And its good to know Artemis is up and running as normal so far.

I plan to be there in a couple of weeks.

Talking of which are there any recommended Turkish / Middle Eastern / Arabic girls who work there? I'd like to sample some Arabic / Middle Eastern beauties.

[PussyLiccker]

That means that the legion of Romanian hookers will generate an income of over 11 billion of which (at the most) 3 billion is sent home, or a bit over a quarter of their gross income. Three quarters therefore stays in Germany and is spent here. "Most of the money is spend in Romania"? I don't think so.Those are just figure with no real accountability. Unless somebody know exactly what the real percentage of expenses, and what actually leaves, it's no facts. Unless somebody has an idea of the avg net, avg living expenses out, and the number of Romanians involved.

Can't even call it a decent estimation.

[Pistons]

Don't be naive guys. Girls spend most of their money on themselves (or their local BF). Sure they send some money back home. But hardly more than 20-25%.

Girls are girls. And they have expenses.

[Mr Ho]

Don't be naive guys. Girls spend most of their money on themselves (or their local BF). Sure they send some money back home. But hardly more than 20-25%.

Girls are girls. And they have expenses.We mongers piston them girls hardcore to train them girls LOL We got to go hard in FKK or go home LOL!

[Mr Ho]

Don't be naive guys. Girls spend most of their money on themselves (or their local BF). Sure they send some money back home. But hardly more than 20-25%.

Girls are girls. And they have expenses.Local BF send girls to FKK, we pay 60 euro per hour and piston them hard and deep back to their local BF, then local BF piston girls back to FKK, we piston them more hardcore to piston them back and repeat, till she cannot tute anymore due to age limit LOL!

[Member #4581]

I would put it at 99%.

Just read his response to HB below. The guy clearly lost his marbles.

I don't know why some people here beat up on Siri (who in my personal experience has been quite nice and provides quite useful info on girls) but stay mum on this guy, who since I have been reading here, types up absolute garbage 100% of the time. Ok, we all digress, everything we discuss here is not related to girls always, but I have never seen him produce one useful report. None, nada, zippo.


More than possible.

[Pistons]

Get some sense of humor guys.

[Nooky Ninja]

I would put it at 99%. types up absolute garbage 100% of the time. Ok, we all digress, everything we discuss here is not related to girls always, Thank you Jnpr30 - Finally, some sense. Know many feel same way, other, old, good posters drop out. Thread been lost for months. Guys should PM or go to Lounge, or go to therapist, with personal stuff or non Art opinions. Not fair to rest who just want Artemis info. Blah blah killing thread.

Hope this wake up call and we get back to good, useful thread.

Only important news last week, reports show A sort of back to normal, service, prices, choices all as before raid. A few girls leave, but this also normal rotation, so not clear if gone for good. Slightly less crowded on busy days but this good for us. Though Saturday night was busy. For the moment. German papers (only somewhat reliable) say next decision point in 2 weeks.

But good idea if mongers have ID always (or passport photo in phone) as not surprise if another raid or smaller finance control occurs. Long-term, all still uncertain.

[Wolvenvacht]

Those are just figure with no real accountability. Unless somebody know exactly what the real percentage of expenses, and what actually leaves, it's no facts. Unless somebody has an idea of the avg net, avg living expenses out, and the number of Romanians involved.

Can't even call it a decent estimation.I'll bet the farm on my estimation being more correct than saying that the majority of the money they receive goes outside of Germany. That's all I wanted to prove and I think I did so.

[Mr Ho]

Thank you Jnpr30 - Finally, some sense. Know many feel same way, other, old, good posters drop out. Thread been lost for months. Guys should PM or go to Lounge, or go to therapist, with personal stuff or non Art opinions. Not fair to rest who just want Artemis info. Blah blah killing thread.

Hope this wake up call and we get back to good, useful thread.

Only important news last week, reports show A sort of back to normal, service, prices, choices all as before raid. A few girls leave, but this also normal rotation, so not clear if gone for good. Slightly less crowded on busy days but this good for us. Though Saturday night was busy. For the moment. German papers (only somewhat reliable) say next decision point in 2 weeks.

But good idea if mongers have ID always (or passport photo in phone) as not surprise if another raid or smaller finance control occurs. Long-term, all still uncertain.At least if there is another raid by police in FKK, I will use such a great opportunity to be totally nude with big penis erection right in front of female police officers because it is in FKK, I will be legally allowed to be totally nude with my penis pointing up in the air LOL!

[Dutedrac]

It is estimated there are at least about half a million prostitutes in Germany (probably more as they are not all registered, although most are). Let's further assume that about half of them are from Romania. That's probably an overestimation, but we are only trying to establish some rough figures here.
Haha you mean underestimation I believe. Only half of them romanian would be a dream come true.



Talking of which are there any recommended Turkish / Middle Eastern / Arabic girls who work there? I'd like to sample some Arabic / Middle Eastern beauties.If you mean real arabic / persian girls, or at least mixed german-arabic, you have some (very low) chances in Artemis / GT / Palace. If you can do with arabic / persian looks, many of the endless romanians and the few bulgarians left have the middle eastern looks and are more than happy to say they are lebanese, egyptian or even venusian.

About the Artemis drama: I would like to share the optimistic attitude of some, but I don't see a bright future for the club, and for the prostitution scene, at least in Berlin. Don't know if it has been reported, but also FKK LaFolie has been closed down by the local government since February.

[Mr Ho]

Haha you mean underestimation I believe. Only half of them romanian would be a dream come true.

If you mean real arabic / persian girls, or at least mixed german-arabic, you have some (very low) chances in Artemis / GT / Palace. If you can do with arabic / persian looks, many of the endless romanians and the few bulgarians left have the middle eastern looks and are more than happy to say they are lebanese, egyptian or even venusian.

About the Artemis drama: I would like to share the optimistic attitude of some, but I don't see a bright future for the club, and for the prostitution scene, at least in Berlin. Don't know if it has been reported, but also FKK LaFolie has been closed down by the local government since February.If you fuck Arabic girl in middle east, you may pay with you life, but if you fuck Arabic girl in German FKK, you just pay 50 euro or 60 euro LOL.

I mean Germany is the answer to peace and love, paid love, they love money LOL!

[Ararat]

Where does this half-a-million prostitutes come from? There were 96 girls present at Artemis during the raid. How many clubs are there? There are numbers working the various laufhaus and similarly but half a million is not likely.

[Member #4585]

Where does this half-a-million prostitutes come from? There were 96 girls present at Artemis during the raid. How many clubs are there? There are numbers working the various laufhaus and similarly but half a million is not likely.The way you reason this, it implies that one is expecting there are 500,000 prostitutes working in the club right this minute when you say, " there were 96 girls present at Artemis". It is like saying you can only see 5-6 people working in McDonalds branch at the front counter when actually to staff this branch over a 24 hour period there maybe 50-60 people on the roster working in the front and back of house and to cover the shifts to cover the 24 hours. Many of these staff are part timers working the busy periods only maybe and this is their main source of income.

Similarly, one is not taking into account that Not all girls are working at the same time, clubs have shifts (night and day) then some girls are on holiday or taking a break from working during the week. As we may know not all girls are working each and every day in the club. Clubs have a pool of girls that come to work to cover the long opening hours. There are also brothels, privates and escorts.

If you do not believe then actually how many are there then?

[Wolvenvacht]

Where does this half-a-million prostitutes come from? There were 96 girls present at Artemis during the raid. How many clubs are there? There are numbers working the various laufhaus and similarly but half a million is not likely.The prostitutes organization Hydra estimated the number of prostitutes at about 400 000. That was a 2009 figure and I assumed it likely to be higher now due to a large influx from East Europeans who now can travel and work without needing a permit.

Over 60% are foreigners with up to 2/3 of the foreigners hailing from Central or East Europe.

[Mr Ho]

The prostitutes organization Hydra estimated the number of prostitutes at about 400 000. That was a 2009 figure and I assumed it likely to be higher now due to a large influx from East Europeans who now can travel and work without needing a permit.

Over 60% are foreigners with up to 2/3 of the foreigners hailing from Central or East Europe.Hydra ain't doing good job. Look what happen to Artemis. Hydra is like UN, it is not working.

Hydra should acquire more fire power like assault chopper and more better weapons, so in event of attack with gun men in blue to Artemis, hydra can sent in their troops.

[Pistons]

We mongers piston them girls hardcore to train them girls LOL We got to go hard in FKK or go home LOL!Beside the fact that you seem to be trying a bit too hard now, yes. And they catch the projectiles with their vaginas. Just like Sledgehammer stopped it with his teeth.

[Pistons]

Haha you mean underestimation I believe. Only half of them romanian would be a dream come true.In FKK's, sure there are more than 50% romanian. But that doesn't mean over half the prostitutes in Germany are romanian. What strikes me as interesting is how easy the romanians take on prostitution. Just imagine british, italian, arabic or scandinavian women in the same social and economic situation. They should be able to hand out sex as easily as the romanians, and approach guys the same way.

But as I said before, the fact that so many romanians does it, increases the chance of there being girls who doesn't like sex 3-8 times a day.

However, I'm glad we have over 50% romanians in these clubs and not 60% of certain (not going to name nationalities here) other nationalities. Romanians do tend to care for themselves quite well. They are in average fit, slim and doesn't eat that much junk. At least not untill they get married. There is alot of gorgeous romanians around... I think we all agree on that.

[Sirioja]

Do you think Romanian girls choose to become prostitutes when they are asked at school what job they would like to do? To be fucked all day by charming princes on white horse. How do they find FKK addresses when they live in far deep Moldavian Romania? Where do they find the money to pay the trip and hotel or club entry to start? Maybe they are a little bit managed? To become what we can see in clubs. Some dream to become models and really could be, but because they are Romanian, nobody give them advices to try to become, and they work in FKK and who knows for who is money we give them? I just know many Romanian guys are just pimp.

[Ararat]

If you do not believe then actually how many are there then?That's what I want to know. Of course I understand that not all are present in clubs every time? Do you really think I didn't understand that?

Personally I'd say there are about 500 Artemis girls at most and that's stretching it. Maybe 10,000 FKK-girls. Then what?

Why not count backwards? If half of the prostitutes are Romanian then being a prostitute is one of the most common, if not the most common, job for a young Romanian woman. It would be so common that nobody would need to hide it regardless of the stigma prostitutes from other countries experience.

The older Romanian girls are born at the end of the Ceausescu regime where there were around 150,000 girls born each year. If I count from 1986 to 1998 there should be around 1. 9 million Romanian women. Are you seriously telling me several hundred thousands are prostitutes? I need to talk to my Romanian staff about what I can get from them.

[Pistons]

Do you think Romanian girls choose to become prostitutes when they are asked at school what job they would like to do? To be fucked all day by charming princes on white horse. How do they find FKK addresses when they live in far deep Moldavian Romania? Where do they find the money to pay the trip and hotel or club entry to start? Maybe they are a little bit managed? To become what we can see in clubs. Some dream to become models and really could be, but because they are Romanian, nobody give them advices to try to become, and they work in FKK and who knows for who is money we give them? I just know many Romanian guys are just pimp.90% of them have "boyfriends". And as for 'hotels', I wonder where you got that from. No romanian stay at expensive hotels, let alone cheap ones when they start. They sleep in apartments together with 10 others of 'friends' from their romanian community. Or at the FKK's they work at. I don't think it is managed as a mafia the way you are hinting about as it is in parts of asia. But with a few, it could be some of it.

[Sirioja]

90% of them have "boyfriends". And as for 'hotels', I wonder where you got that from. No romanian stay at expensive hotels, let alone cheap ones when they start. They sleep in apartments together with 10 others of 'friends' from their Romanian community. Or at the FKK's they work at. I don't think it is managed as a mafia the way you are hinting about as it is in parts of Asia. But with a few, it could be some of it.Do they walk from Iasie? Holding their boyfriend hand for a honeymoon promenade to FKK. You call this guys = boyfriends, I call guys who send their girlfriend to be fucked all day, to get money from their girlfriend = pimp. In my country, when I adviced a Mainhattan girl to move to Sharks, just because I liked her and for free, even I always paid club rate with her, I would be prosecuted as a pimp.

This is cultural organization in Romania, fake boyfriends, real pimp, families involved, waiting for money sent. A World girl told me: I have pressure to make money, my parents don't work, I have a younger brother, don't you think her parents don't know, she thought her parents might know, she is only 22, I adviced her to never say how she makes money.

Go to Oase at 4 pm to see the Mercedes drivers show, saying: have good night being fucked darling, I spoke about this with Suginella on the day I had room with her and she surprised me, being good in room. I was laughing of her boyfriend when fucking her.

Many German girls have Turkish pimp, like Sam GT had.

When I give money to my girls, I wish this money will be to pay studies or to buy an apartment or a shop, I know I am a dreamer.

[Mr Ho]

90% of them have "boyfriends". And as for 'hotels', I wonder where you got that from. No romanian stay at expensive hotels, let alone cheap ones when they start. They sleep in apartments together with 10 others of 'friends' from their romanian community. Or at the FKK's they work at. I don't think it is managed as a mafia the way you are hinting about as it is in parts of asia. But with a few, it could be some of it.It became culture to find Romanian girls as prostitutes in Europeans brothels or in FKK.

Just like you find Korean girls as prostitutes (they claim it is Korean massage club LOL) at brothels in USA.

It is part of their culture. Many Romanian girls are hot, Korean girls have plastic surgery and ugly though LOL.

[Pistons]

Siri: yes, unfortunately:

"Boyfriends".

[Sirioja]

Siri: yes, unfortunately:

"Boyfriends".Why unfortunately? If they were real boyfriend, working to make money for her, protecting her, willing to make girlfriend happy, but are they behaving like this? Or unfortunately just taking money from girlfriend fucked all day and night and leaving her when she can t make money anymore? To find a new working one, like I change my skis or car.

[Mr Ho]

Do you think Romanian girls choose to become prostitutes when they are asked at school what job they would like to do? To be fucked all day by charming princes on white horse. How do they find FKK addresses when they live in far deep Moldavian Romania? Where do they find the money to pay the trip and hotel or club entry to start? Maybe they are a little bit managed? To become what we can see in clubs. Some dream to become models and really could be, but because they are Romanian, nobody give them advices to try to become, and they work in FKK and who knows for who is money we give them? I just know many Romanian guys are just pimp.Yes I think they majored in Prostitution up sell marketing and blowjob in university in Bucharest LOL.

One of these days, them too will marry some sorry ass guy who believe these girls had 2 or 3 boyfriends prior to marriage LOL.

[StarletVoyager]

What about the girls doing it for themselves. Like the girl I shared a moment with in oase. Then I saw her again driving a brand new black car with showroom plates in frankfurt centre. Where she stopped to wave Hi and wink eye. Poor girls. Doing it for themselves.

[Pistons]

Indeed, quite a few of the artemis girls does it for themselves as well. Looking at which ones have their own car is a good indication.

Siri: you know thats not what I ment :p

[Member #4469]

Back to topic please!! What's happening at Artemis? Which girls have left the building? Is lineup as good as big and good as it used to be? Which girls provides excellent / bad service?

Due to recent events this is what should be discussed in this thread, and if price for different service has changed in anyway?!

Happy mongering gents!

[Mr Ho]

Why unfortunately? If they were real boyfriend, working to make money for her, protecting her, willing to make girlfriend happy, but are they behaving like this? Or unfortunately just taking money from girlfriend fucked all day and night and leaving her when she can t make money anymore? To find a new working one, like I change my skis or car.Well because it is called pimp and such activity is defined as pimping, so in most nations it is illegal and ignoring so lead to raid / bust by allegedly 900 police like what happened to FKK Artemis, though I still believe Artemis was not involved in pimping.

Some girls may have pimp there, but not most and Artemis actually offer good support system for girls like in house medical doctors etc.

How are the LU after the bust? Is it got smaller? Older?

[Mr Ho]

What about the girls doing it for themselves. Like the girl I shared a moment with in oase. Then I saw her again driving a brand new black car with showroom plates in frankfurt centre. Where she stopped to wave Hi and wink eye. Poor girls. Doing it for themselves.They are all good hearted as well, well most of them.

[Nr 71]

I just ordered my travel to Berlin the last week of May, I hope Artemis will be open and no more razzias taking place.

I was lucky to session with the legendary Nina before she left, but still haven't tried Fatima. She has almost as good reviews as Nina did. Anybody know if Fatima still is at Artemis on a regular basis? And what about Zoe, my german favorite (long red / purple hair)?

Also hope to see more reports from fellow punters.

[Mr Ho]

What about the girls doing it for themselves. Like the girl I shared a moment with in oase. Then I saw her again driving a brand new black car with showroom plates in frankfurt centre. Where she stopped to wave Hi and wink eye. Poor girls. Doing it for themselves.Well if she bought that brand new car, she either is doing very well with her life financially or she is over spending her hard earned money on wrong location.

However, even though I am always half joking here about FKK, but on the real, I really do wish best for some of those FKK girls that I came across as they actually have very very good warm heart.

[AznNick]

Hey all,

As some has already said, its all normal. I arrived Friday the 15th April at around 11 pm, lots of punters and lots of girls, even new faces. Well I'm not a regularly, have only been to Artemis 6 times the since summer. One thing I noticed was another lady at the reception, and a guy at the bar downstairs instead of the lady which always seems in a bad mood LOL, that's all. Had a session with a Hungarian girl named Lucy, she is skinny and about 170 tall, and looks young 18-20. No upselling, she asked "first time?" I said "naaah", she asked "then you know the prices? I said "Yup!" and upstairs we went, there was a wait for about 5 min. She started with BJ and as before the raid, with no condom and no extra costs! And I was feeling her little pussy. Then we fucked in multi positions, wanted to feel her mouth again, so off with the condom and we did 69. She asked "do you want to come in my mouth", I replied "if you can make me". And then she worked for it, I even said "we might have to extend" she blew, sucked, licked, handjob and then I got fully emptied in her mouth, she made sure every single drop was out, before she let go damn!

She spit it out and asked "gee nick, what did you eat today" I laughed out loud "well baby, I had sashimi sushi, enjoy" LOL and then we talked about what she liked and stuff. I was sure it was over time, but she said "well time is up, and I'm done for today" LOL so ½ hour and CIM 110 and gave her a small tip for the hard work. I was also sucked out, there was another skinny young girl ID like to try, so had some food to try recharge. But no use, damn had to leave. But yes all seems normal, and for my point of view even better as the other times, maybe because of faces I haven't seen before.

[Mr Ho]

Hey all,

As some has already said, its all normal. I arrived Friday the 15th April at around 11 pm, lots of punters and lots of girls, even new faces. Well I'm not a regularly, have only been to Artemis 6 times the since summer. One thing I noticed was another lady at the reception, and a guy at the bar downstairs instead of the lady which always seems in a bad mood LOL, that's all. Had a session with a Hungarian girl named Lucy, she is skinny and about 170 tall, and looks young 18-20. No upselling, she asked "first time?" I said "naaah", she asked "then you know the prices? I said "Yup!" and upstairs we went, there was a wait for about 5 min. She started with BJ and as before the raid, with no condom and no extra costs! And I was feeling her little pussy. Then we fucked in multi positions, wanted to feel her mouth again, so off with the condom and we did 69. She asked "do you want to come in my mouth", I replied "if you can make me". And then she worked for it, I even said "we might have to extend" she blew, sucked, licked, handjob and then I got fully emptied in her mouth, she made sure every single drop was out, before she let go damn!.Lucy the hungarian? New maybe, is Gerladine still there?

[AznHotBoy]

Had a session with a Hungarian girl named Lucy, she is skinny and about 170 tall, and looks young 18-20. No upselling.Yea Lucy was a good girl. I was at the conference in Berlin for 3 days and every night I'd go to Artemis to session with her. She is 24, great small petite body with a sense of humor. She is really really tight, even with my average size it feels like I'm filling her up all the way every time. She usually wears some type of bottom and isn't full nude at that the bar. I always took her for my first session usually 2-3 Hours for a couple pops and in those hours she is really working and doesn't get tired out.

If you can get her to chat, she talks a lot, and sometimes I just start tasting her while she is still talking. She was a really fun great service and great girl. My next Germany visit is in late September, hopefully Artemis and her is still around.

[FredZee]

Well, against my better judgement I decided to go to Artemis even though something was telling me that I shouldn't. Like the bus driver blowing past the U-Bahn stop. Sometimes the universe gives you a sign and you ignore it. Well, I did and found my way there after a nice dinner at a great Indian place I found near Wittenburger Platz. When I got here around 10 pm it was quite full of guys already with a few women to be found. I would say at most there were 40-50 women and about 150 guys. When I last visited 3 years ago there were about 100+ women and many many to choose from. Of the 40 or so women there perhaps 3 of them were 8's and the rest were averaging around 6. I was really not impressed with the line up. Having said that though, the taxi driver that took me back to my hotel told me that this weekend was bad due to the May 1st holiday and many girls were missing.

Like I said, sometimes the universe tries to tell you something. And perhaps you should listen. Just keep the May 1st holiday in mind for next year as week to avoid maybe?

Oh, the title of my post is since the robes are now red... hence "Red Sausage". Three years ago when I was here I thought they were a white/cream color.

P.S. For anyone staying at the Mercure Hotel at the Airport (Tegel) the taxi ride is about 20euros. You can take public transpo (U/S-Bahn and bus) for 2.70euro but at night, easier to catch the taxi... especially past 1am.

[Azymuth]

Lucy the hungarian? New maybe, is Gerladine still there?I was in Artemis early April and asked about Geraldine. Woman at reception told me she came just a few days in January and hasn't be back since. Pity.

[Mr Ho]

Well, against my better judgement I decided to go to Artemis even though something was telling me that I shouldn't. Like the bus driver blowing past the U-Bahn stop. Sometimes the universe gives you a sign and you ignore it. Well, I did and found my way there after a nice dinner at a great Indian place I found near Wittenburger Platz. When I got here around 10 pm it was quite full of guys already with a few women to be found. I would say at most there were 40-50 women and about 150 guys. When I last visited 3 years ago there were about 100+ women and many many to choose from. Of the 40 or so women there perhaps 3 of them were 8's and the rest were averaging around 6. I was really not impressed with the line up. Having said that though, the taxi driver that took me back to my hotel told me that this weekend was bad due to the May 1st holiday and many girls were missing.

Like I said, sometimes the universe tries to tell you something. And perhaps you should listen. Just keep the May 1st holiday in mind for next year as week to avoid maybe?

Oh, the title of my post is since the robes are now red... hence "Red Sausage". Three years ago when I was here I thought they were a white/cream color.

P.S. For anyone staying at the Mercure Hotel at the Airport (Tegel) the taxi ride is about 20euros. You can take public transpo (U/S-Bahn and bus) for 2.70euro but at night, easier to catch the taxi... especially past 1am.Hmmm possible decline in numbers of LU?

[Hermann666]

Well, against my better judgement I decided to go to Artemis even though something was telling me that I shouldn't. Like the bus driver blowing past the U-Bahn stop. Sometimes the universe gives you a sign and you ignore it. Well, I did and found my way there after a nice dinner at a great Indian place I found near Wittenburger Platz. When I got here around 10 pm it was quite full of guys already with a few women to be found. I would say at most there were 40-50 women and about 150 guys. When I last visited 3 years ago there were about 100+ women and many many to choose from. Of the 40 or so women there perhaps 3 of them were 8's and the rest were averaging around 6. I was really not impressed with the line up. Having said that though, the taxi driver that took me back to my hotel told me that this weekend was bad due to the May 1st holiday and many girls were missing.

Like I said, sometimes the universe tries to tell you something. And perhaps you should listen. Just keep the May 1st holiday in mind for next year as week to avoid maybe?

Oh, the title of my post is since the robes are now red... hence "Red Sausage". Three years ago when I was here I thought they were a white/cream color.

P.S. For anyone staying at the Mercure Hotel at the Airport (Tegel) the taxi ride is about 20euros. You can take public transpo (U/S-Bahn and bus) for 2.70euro but at night, easier to catch the taxi... especially past 1am.The bad lineup was not due to the 1st of May. It was due to that the past weekend was the orthodox Easter and many Romanian girls go home on Easter holiday to see their families.

[Sirioja]

The bad lineup was not due to the 1st of May. It was due to that the past weekend was the orthodox Easter and many Romanian girls go home on Easter holiday to see their families.1st May was Orthodox Easter, very important for many Romanians or Bulgarians or Russians.

[Mr Ho]

1st May was Orthodox Easter, very important for many Romanians or Bulgarians or Russians.The concept is that the sinners will be forgiven and it is a gods confirmation to enable sinners to commit more sins in FKK after the holiday LOL.

[Craiova]

1st May was Orthodox Easter, very important for many Romanians or Bulgarians or Russians.Yep this year's 1st of May was most likely one of the worst club days this year you can chose. Many girls for orthodox easter in Romania and additional on this day I know many Romanian girls here in Germany took this day off to celebrate together with her BF here or some girls celebrated outside the club together. And additional to this many german guys like spend 1st of May in FKK club. So in almost all clubs were on last Sunday more or less guy party. I've heard some clubs were on Sunday so desperate on finding enough girls they even offered the girls free entrance on that day.

[Sirioja]

The concept is that the sinners will be forgiven and it is a gods confirmation to enable sinners to commit more sins in FKK after the holiday LOL.Even working in brothels, some Romanian girls seem to believe in religion, if I had to do this bad job, with what happened to 2 Sharks girls, with all the girls who have problems with hells or pimps, I would believe in Devil after meeting so many devils, drunk, rude, not respectful.

Jim seemed to have a quite good Sunday 1st May at Sharks with some pretty girls there.

[Mr Ho]

Even working in brothels, some Romanian girls seem to believe in religion, if I had to do this bad job, with what happened to 2 Sharks girls, with all the girls who have problems with hells or pimps, I would believe in Devil after meeting so many devils, drunk, rude, not respectful.

Jim seemed to have a quite good Sunday 1st May at Sharks with some pretty girls there.Yes, some of them are very religious, they even have tattoo related to religion.

I see your point, but I see it as these girls need mental support to stay sane, some turn to lover boy, pimp, drug, medicine, alcohol, but some turn to god for their support.

They did not have too much choice to take this job as other jobs do not pay enough money for them for whatever reason they need money for, parent sick, they need house, they got big poor family, they want new bag or car or pay for college or they just want big fast cash. Who knows the reasons.

It is amazing how some of these girls remain still nice person after meeting so many creeps and evil person yes LOL.

Well religion has to make money too, so they found these girls to hustle the money they made selling their body by selling god. Ironic isn't it? LOL.

Well better god as support than alcohol or some other things. God do not bite you, just charge you some money most of time. Though one Romanian girl told me priest wanted to have sex with them. Well we live in just one big circus, where everyone want something. I just want to fuck nice girl, eat good food and stay healthy and get more money so I can go to FKK LOL!

[Pistons]

Heard other guys I've met at FKK's have spotted top judges and even bishops at FKK's.

[Prurient6]

Yes, some of them are very religious, they even have tattoo related to religion.

I see your point, but I see it as these girls need mental support to stay sane, some turn to lover boy, pimp, drug, medicine, alcohol, but some turn to god for their support.

They did not have too much choice to take this job as other jobs do not pay enough money for them for whatever reason they need money for, parent sick, they need house, they got big poor family, they want new bag or car or pay for college or they just want big fast cash. Who knows the reasons.

It is amazing how some of these girls remain still nice person after meeting so many creeps and evil person yes LOL.

Well religion has to make money too, so they found these girls to hustle the money they made selling their body by selling god. Ironic isn't it? LOL.

Well better god as support than alcohol or some other things. God do not bite you, just charge you some money most of time. Though one Romanian girl told me priest wanted to have sex with them. Well we live in just one big circus, where everyone want something. I just want to fuck nice girl, eat good food and stay healthy and get more money so I can go to FKK LOL!Bwahahahaha. Mr Ho, you are a treasure. Don't let anyone intimidate you into posting less.

[Mr Ho]

Heard other guys I've met at FKK's have spotted top judges and even bishops at FKK's.Bishops? This is not normal, I thought they only like young male? LOL.

Judge? They have to do research in FKK to enable themselves to judge Artemis case in court LOL.

Maybe it is good security camera evidence in court to present during Artemis court trial that even judge and bishops were enjoying legal state of fine FKK called Artemis LOL.

Well it is only naive who believe these so called prestigious jobs are good people, normally they are the worst LOL.

Personally, many girls around me think I am straight up very serious guy in fine suit. In reality, I am young prostitute loving crazy guy who travel half the way around the world just to fuck prostitutes LOL.

And I am loving this life style and I ain't going to stop LOL.

[Mr Ho]

Bishops? This is not normal, I thought they only like young male? LOL.

Judge? They have to do research in FKK to enable themselves to judge Artemis case in court LOL.

Maybe it is good security camera evidence in court to present during Artemis court trial that even judge and bishops were enjoying legal state of fine FKK called Artemis LOL.

Well it is only naive who believe these so called prestigious jobs are good people, normally they are the worst LOL.

Personally, many girls around me think I am straight up very serious guy in fine suit. In reality, I am young prostitute loving crazy guy who travel half the way around the world just to fuck prostitutes LOL.

And I am loving this life style and I ain't going to stop LOL.Well I do realize I am so fucked up my self from normal society point of view that I am not in position to judge bishops or judge.

However fucked up I really am when it comes to my beautiful prostitute hobby. I see normal people more fucked up for marrying and by doing so they are paying millions to fuck middle age women over and over for rest of their life. Isn't this more fucked up? It is to me.

Oh it is love?? It must be, other wise these married type who think I am fucked up have more fucked up taste in sex for having fetish of fucking middle age women called wife for millions of dollars. For me this is real fucked up and Sado Mazo. Fucked up LOL LOL.

[Wolvenvacht]

Well better god as support than alcohol or some other things. God do not bite you, just charge you some money most of time. Though one Romanian girl told me priest wanted to have sex with them.Of all the choices they can make, religion is arguably the worst choice they could take.

[Mr Ho]

Of all the choices they can make, religion is arguably the worst choice they could take.At least they are conscious enough to justify wrong doings or messed up people they meet like us LOL.

I do not justify, I clarify things, I love prostitutes and I believe fucking girls with or without money are the modern day form of marriage LOL.

I ain't going to justify because I am right and having sex with young stunner prostitutes and young stunner girls are my religions LOL.

So at least, these prostitutes are trying to justify their doings with god, I do not LOL.

I am more like. "please god, I want to fuck more young beautiful prostitutes, let line up going to be good today at FKK such and such" LOL.

When I see welcome sign on door of FKK Artemis, it translate to me as "sinners welcome". Cest moi LOL!

[Nooky Ninja]

So at least, these prostitutes are trying to justify their doings with god, I do not LOL.All this blah blah destroying Artemis thread. Fine if you want to be ersatz philosopher, just not here. Move all non Artemis random personal thoughts to Lounge.
Really out of control now. Wish others would help. Not fair to rest of us. Not saying don't rant, just not here.

Ninja at A last 2 nights, unusually quiet (both mongers and muschis) though still some good choices and nice chill atmosphere. Food good, pool warm, no wait for rooms. But maybe 50% of normal. Thursday Skyfart Day is grill day and hope not too much bier.

We all waiting for some possible decisions from City prosecutor possibly next week about possible next legal moves (all very vague from eg Die Welt). Otherwise show goes on as usual, usual prices and service.

[Hessen Bub]

Thursday Skyfart Day Sky Fart Day. Hilarious. Did you create that or Google Translate? It's Ascension Day in English.

HB.

[Mr Ho]

All this blah blah destroying Artemis thread. Fine if you want to be ersatz philosopher, just not here. Move all non Artemis random personal thoughts to Lounge.
Really out of control now. Wish others would help. Not fair to rest of us. Not saying don't rant, just not here.

Ninja at A last 2 nights, unusually quiet (both mongers and muschis) though still some good choices and nice chill atmosphere. Food good, pool warm, no wait for rooms. But maybe 50% of normal. Thursday Skyfart Day is grill day and hope not too much bier.

We all waiting for some possible decisions from City prosecutor possibly next week about possible next legal moves (all very vague from eg Die Welt). Otherwise show goes on as usual, usual prices and service.Ninja,

Please report more properly, this is an order, not request and be sure to keep us updated about decision by city prosecutor next week, this is an order, not request, please know your societal position LOL.

[Nooky Ninja]

Sky Fart Day. Hilarious. Did you create that or Google Translate? It's Ascension Day in English.HB.HB-Ninja speak ok Deutsch. It was joke. At least you got it.

[Nooky Ninja]

Ninja, Please report more properly, this is an order, not request please know your societal position LOL.Ninja get PMs from other seniors. Many find you hurting Artemis forum thread. Ninja stay polite. Just please post all your non Artemis stuff in Lounge. Or maybe better. Start own thread, "Mr Ho's Weird World" where all fans can make tribute.

Meanwhile I make big improvement in life and simply block you.

Please every one else, lots going on in Artemis these days. Good field reports needed and useful.

[Pharisaer]

All this blah blah destroying Artemis thread.Yeah. You took the word right our of my mouth. Useless blah-blah covers the small grains of information here.


Otherwise show goes on as usual, usual prices and service.Confirm that. Business as usual. Expect a thinner lineup during 2 am and later, at least during the weekdays. Girls are free to leave at every time, and some of them using that opportunity.

[Mr Ho]

Yeah. You took the word right our of my mouth. Useless blah-blah covers the small grains of information here.

Confirm that. Business as usual. Expect a thinner lineup during 2 am and later, at least during the weekdays. Girls are free to leave at every time, and some of them using that opportunity.Yeah man, take this blah blah to lounge and chat LOL.

[Nr 71]

Expect a thinner lineup during 2 am and later, at least during the weekdays. Girls are free to leave at every time, and some of them using that opportunity.Thank you, usefull information for us who must travel a long way. Two weeks now, really looking forward to it (and hope the government takes their time, would be not so nice to find the place closed after travelling.).

[Nooky Ninja]

@Pharisaer thanks for support and your report.

Semi quiet night on Sky Fart Day. Good grill food, weather perfect, very chill atmosphere, rooms busy but never wait, more girls returning. Even a few new ones. Was nervous place would be full of drunk, notgeil maenner, but not at all. Free beer turn Ninja zimmer into Oktoberfest with 2 maedels (names protected). Great fun. Burp.

Great weather expected hope weekend not full - somehow think it will be ok, even with holidays. The raid has had effect but oddly, it has been good for mongers. So far....

[MGLbadboi]

I feel really awful to learn about what happened to Artemis earlier on. Really unfortunate, especially for people like me who will be coming to Artemis in July, but a long way from the other side of the globe, just so I could fulfill my white girl dreams.

After reading some of the recent posts, it seems as if the place is not fun anymore. Has there been a drastic decrease in the quality of the girls, number of the lineup and the service they provide, as a result of what happened earlier?

Would highly appreciate it if someone could post an honest, reliable overview on the current scenes in Artemis.

Many thanks.

MGL BB.

[Howie]

Business as usual.Hey Pharisaer / Nooky Ninja.

Did you guys see Evan / Even / Heaven whilst you were there? Romanian, brunette, beautiful face, slim and slightly tanned gazelle body with B- cups. About 1.60m tall. No visible tattoos. Normally wears thick black framed glasses and a netting type top with pussy exposed. The most amazing feature about her was her protruding nipples, about half inch in length.

Good to hear its still open. I hope it remains so. May stop by for a visit later towards the end of this month or early June.

Thanks.

Howie.

[Nooky Ninja]

Especially for people like me who will be coming to Artemis in July, but a long way from the other side of the globe, just so I could fulfill my white girl dreams.
After reading some of the recent posts, it seems as if the place is not fun anymore. Has there been a drastic decrease in the quality of the girls, number of the lineup and the service they provide, If you read real recent reports over past 3 weeks, everything is fine. Don't know where you got info.

Lots of great girls, just not so crowded. Raid has been good for mongers. Was there today lots of girls returned from holiday, not crowded, pool was fantastic, food very good. Relax.

Though how things will be in July. Who can say? And because it is soon summer, some of your white girls will be tanned.

[Cheema]

I visited FKK Artemis in June 2014 , I am writing this report late because at the time of visit I was not aware of importance of writing reports and didn't know how to to write reports.

I reached Berlin HBF from Prague, store luggage at station, took a metro and leave metro near Artemis and walk to Artemis, paid 70 euro entrance and went it was my first FKK experience and I was stunned. I was approached by very beautiful girl, she was born in Germany but parents from Iran, I took her to room, but she was in hurry, and had some pain in vagina so she had to finish me off by CBJ. Not a good experience.

Than I take lunch which was very good, moved around, it has and outdoor and indoor pool, a cinema and sauna etc, outside was cold for me so remain inside. After some time a find a slim Romanian girl she was very good overall nice experience.

Than after few hrs I find a girl from Kosovo had a nice chit chat with her and took her to room it was also nice experience.

So in total I had 3 sessions pain 60 euro each.

FKK Artemis has the most variety of girls among FKK I have visited but service and atmosphere is not like FKK Oase which I visited later.

[Hessen Bub]

Did they reduce the entry to 70€?

HB.

[Galazy2]

I notice the pictures of the girls are no longer on the website. I wonder if they'll be back? I've used that part of the site to arrange time with Jenna and others. Always useful /.

[Pistons]

Kosovo girl? Was her name Angie?

[Cheema]

Did they reduce the entry to 70?

HB.As it is a two year old report didn't remember exactly entrance I paid was it 70 or 80, so excuse me for that.

[Cheema]

Kosovo girl? Was her name Angie?Didn't remember her name as most of the girls have similar typical names, she was tall, with dark complexion and black hairs, with big implanted boobs.

[Mr Ho]

Did they reduce the entry to 70?

HB.No, I was there last November and it was 80 euro. The report was in 2014 and I was also there in summer, it was 80 euro.

[Banana Boi]

Kosovo girl? Was her name Angie?Angie from Kosovo was reportedly at DV last month. However, I didn't see her on my visit.

[CaterPie]

Hello,

I have a few questions regarding the place:

1) How available are the lockers / safes? Are they easily accessible and how far away are they? I need to access it about every 1-2 hour.

2) How big are they? Can I fit a laptop or maybe only like wallet+phone and nothing else?

3) If I want to make a phone call, do I pick up the phone from the locker and go outside the building?

Also, I like to go early, preferably between lunch and dinner times, is this a bad idea?

And I'm quite worried about how you never should say it's your first time there, I'm a terrible terrible terrible liar.

[Pistons]

Didn't remember her name as most of the girls have similar typical names, she was tall, with dark complexion and black hairs, with big implanted boobs.Ok, its not her then. Angie is about 1. 60, brown hair, slim, upper 20 ies.

BB: ok, I think she changes clubs alot though...

[Pharisaer]

I notice the pictures of the girls are no longer on the website. I wonder if they'll be back? IMHO the gallery won't be given back.


Did you guys see Evan / Even / Heaven whilst you were there?Don't remember. Sorry.

[Galazy2]

Hello,

I have a few questions regarding the place:

1) How available are the lockers / safes? Are they easily accessible and how far away are they? I need to access it about every 1-2 hour.

2) How big are they? Can I fit a laptop or maybe only like wallet+phone and nothing else?

3) If I want to make a phone call, do I pick up the phone from the locker and go outside the building?

Also, I like to go early, preferably between lunch and dinner times, is this a bad idea?

And I'm quite worried about how you never should say it's your first time there, I'm a terrible terrible terrible liar.1. Lockers are located in a large, communal changing area. Showers at one end, door to the bar at the other end. They are accessible all day and are quite safe. They are located next to the bar.

2. You can comfortably hang a suit in them. No problem getting a laptop in there.

3. Most people make calls from outside or at a little couch next to the reception area.

[Nooky Ninja]

1/ Also, I like to go early, preferably between lunch and dinner times, is this a bad idea?

2/ And I'm quite worried about how you never should say it's your first time there, I'm a terrible terrible terrible liar.1/ Going early just means less choices most girls arrive 1700-1930.10-20 during day, vs. 50-100 at night. But day more relaxed and still some nice girls. More sun for pool outside.

2/ If you "quite worried" then maybe FKK bad idea. You have to have some small courage and not be shy boy. If you just little worried, relax. Just say first time Artemis but you know the scene. Not lie. Not big deal. If you want to learn how to lie, ask the girls. Just don't pay as extra.


Most important if you feel some bad vibe just say no politely. Biggest mistake you can make is go with hot seducing girl when you have bad vibe.

Really it will all be fine just relax. Millions do this, like half male population of Italy.

[Guy93]

I'm used to ignore girls that doesn't attract me enough and desperately come to me and ask me go to the room with them.

Just remember you are the king of the place and customer is always right.

I think some girls get jealous when I'm not really interested to chat with them but when I find a girl I really like then I go talk to her immediately.

[Wolvenvacht]

And I'm quite worried about how you never should say it's your first time there.Why worry? I have always answered truthfully to such questions and it didn't make any difference in the girls' attitude.

Or are you afraid to miss the discount for being here the 10th or 100th time?

[MaxSquatter]

What is the cheapest method to call Artemis from United States? I would like to know if certain girls will be there before I arrive. Any ideas? Have any of you asked schedule questions on specific girls lately? I fear they may not want to discuss as it now seems to be a part of legal dispute (employee status).

[PussyLiccker]

Gmail on the computer has a calling feature, but you'd have to buy credits to call outside the states. Alternatively, you can also use Google Hang-outs on your smartphone. I have used this to call the clubs too. Hehe.

https://www.google.com/voice/b/0/rates?hl=en&p=hangout It says 1c per min.

[Pistons]

You won't get any info regarding when they work. Only might be lucky if she has checked in and are working at the moment you call.

[Prurient6]

Gmail on the computer has a calling feature, but you'd have to buy credits to call outside the states. Alternatively, you can also use Google Hang-outs on your smartphone. I have used this to call the clubs too. Hehe.

https://www.google.com/voice/b/0/rates?hl=en&p=hangout It says 1c per min.Skype is similarly cheap for calls to landlines, also for credit, and works well. Of course, with both Skype (Microsoft) and Google neither your metadata nor your call content are ultimately protected.

[Riina]

My first time Artemis last night. I really enjoyed myself. My approach was very simple. Spot the girls you find sexy and give them the look. I just waited for them to approach me and politely declined. Any rude behavior during our chat or walking away was immediate disqualification. The place is horribly corrupted by dragons but they make it obvious who they are. As my night was coming to an end, I followed back to a Cuban girl that gave me an enthusiastic session with BBBJ and cum on body for no extra charge.

Eighty euros for the show and sixty for the sex. Really fantastic!

[VaeVictis]

Visited Artemis with fellow punter on Friday the 13th. Arriving at 18:00 we found the place full of Italians, Turkish and Swedish guests. After 22:00 sometimes only men were present in the bar. Some of the girls that said they were leaving Artemis after the raid were back or said to me that they have changed plans. I also spotted the Turkish boss (short man with gray hair and spectacles. Don't ask me his name) after my session with Holly.

As to the sessions:

Hungarian Birgitta offered excellent PSE experience. For those of you that have no idea who she is, she is short girl in mid to late 20's with round fake breasts (that are large but by Artemis standards not the largest) and skinny body with lip injections. Blonde hair these days. She has been reviewed before and of course YMMW but I find her a funny in the bed but bit poor on the stamina part. She can give BJ with short breaks to breathe for long time but don't expect her to last long in cowgirl position.

Next girl tested was Holly, which I sessioned with last year. She had gained some weight since last time I sessioned with her but it was OK. Just like Birgitta, she offers good PSE experience. Fake large breasts, slightly overweight and 180 cm of height. These days she has long black hair. I saw her leaving Artemis in her normal clothes and it is funny how much some girls can be attractive (subjectively speaking of course) without make up.

Line up was not bad for Friday. There were a lot of girls that I wanted to try out. Ezra, Elena, Madeleine, Sunny, etc, etc. But I was tired and with so large crowd, me and the buddy of mine, along with some swedes we got to know, decided to leave the place at 23:00 and enjoy Berlin nightlife.

[Samcik]

I was in Artemis last Saturday (3. 14) and it was worst FKK experience I ever had. Until my last visit Artemis was my favorite FKK in Germany. I have been there so many times. I arrived there at 3 pm and there was already line at the entrance. Later I discovered that because of Euroleague Final Four basketball tournament in Berlin Artemis was so packed. Had half an hour session with Georgina nice girl from Georgia. Since it was so busy and there was no food till 6 pm left the club for 2 hours to have dinner. I was back around 7 pm and place was packed with men. Hang out little bit with russian basketball fans, they recommended me to try blonde russian girl (forgot her name) but she was non stop busy as soon as she tries to enter lounge area someone grabs her right at the stairs. I gave up on her and went with tall Romanian brunette Sylvia and spend 1 HR with her. Later in the evening went with blonde romanian anelis and it was bad experience as soon as we enter the room she tried to rush me by telling me be quick people are waiting for the room. At 12 am there were no girls in the lounge area and waiting time for rooms was at least 30 min. At 2 am decided to pick Sylvia's friend another blonde Romanian girl Melissa but she told me that I need to pay for the wait time also because of the longer waiting time for a room she doesn't want to waste her time. I politely said no and she gave me attitude and said something in Romanian. When I was leaving the place at 3 am more men was arriving. I understand because of the final games of major basketball tournament this place was very busy but Artemis is not the same. Some of the girls I know already left Artemis, earlier in the last week I saw 3 former Artemis girls in Sharks and some of the girls confirmed that also. My favorites Ruby and Cecile in Romania and nobody knows if they will return or not. I still might give one more chance to this place if I will be in the area.

[Pharisaer]

My favorites Ruby and Cecile in Romania and nobody knows if they will return or not.Spotted Ruby (the Romanian, not the Hungarian now called Jolien) and Cecile just one week ago or so. IMHO they will be back soon.

[Porn Nerd]

After I heard about the raid I almost canceled my trip to Berlin. Why go if Artemis is closed? But then I found this thread and am so grateful for all the reviews. Thanks everyone for keeping me informed as to what's different and what's new.

I will be spending a few days in Berlin soon and will make Artemis my #1 spot each day. I love how you can come and go throughout the day. So it sounds like everything is pretty much normal, just a few less girls?

Any other places in Berlin I should try if I am dissatisfied with the "new" Artemis?

Thanks again everyone!

[Pistons]

Apart from Artemis, the only option for me is some of the nightclubs. The nightlife in Berlin is top notch though, but for paid sex, Artemis is the only way.

[VaeVictis]

Apart from Artemis, the only option for me is some of the nightclubs. The nightlife in Berlin is top notch though, but for paid sex, Artemis is the only way.While Artemis has no real competition as FKK (La Folie comes to mind but I have not read a review from there in while, and anyway it is closing down in August) both famous Kamilla La Dee and Van Kampen brothels are good alternatives for mid-range mongering.

[Masayama]

... La Folie comes to mind but I have not read a review from there in while, and anyway it is closing down in August ...No, it closed in February. On the English version of their web page, they've used the retarded American date format (least significant number in the middle), even though they use the British flag for English. Their English page says "02.08. 2016", the German one "08.02. 2016".

[Porn Nerd]

No, it closed in February. On the English version of their web page, they've used the retarded American date format (least significant number in the middle), even though they use the British flag for English. Their English page says "02.08. 2016", the German one "08.02. 2016".Funny, that was the other place I tried in Berlin a couple years ago and did not like the vibe there. Maybe it was an off night (or perhaps I was the one a little off) so I left without going with any of the girls. So that's off the list. LOL.


While Artemis has no real competition as FKK (La Folie comes to mind but I have not read a review from there in while, and anyway it is closing down in August) both famous Kamilla La Dee and Van Kampen brothels are good alternatives for mid-range mongering.Thanks I may try one of these just for variety. I have been to Artemis twice before the raid so it will be interesting to see the changes and how the girls are now. I will definitely write a report here.

[Sebastiane]

Went to Artemis for first time since the raid. Overall disappointed. The new freedom where girls can charge what they want has gotten the worst side for some girls now.

Was quite packed at night. Saw a pretty girl called Annie Rom. Pretty. Upselling but decent attitude outside roomer turned shit once inside. No kissing. Wanted extra first BNBJ as "now we can do how we want". Mechanical suck and covered suck. Poor attitude ruined a very pretty girl. I paid and ended it. 60 euros. 8/7/5/(2 attitude inside).

I had been finally convinced into doing a 3 some with her friend Angi who claimed she was Colombian but I am sure Romanian too! Tall. Pretty. Together in room same NSA. Ditto result. 60 7/9/4/2 but with awful BJ too!

Luckily my third girl of the night was Alida. Romanian. Blonde and Petite. The cups. Sweet. Kissing. No FK. Good session. 60 8/7/8. Finally made me come after previous horrendous session! Would repeat with her.

Had a Great Massage 40* Entrance 80. Spend 300.

Overall: generally girls are older and pros. Hawkish attitude with some really rude bitches. A few gems but it's luck of the draw. Too much upselling. Worst line up of any recent club I've been to. Was weekday and dessous Tag. So maybe better on Weekend? Might try again tomorrow. Very nice outside garden and spa. Food awful. Had to have salad and potatoes.

[Pharisaer]

Might try again tomorrow.Maybe a bad idea. IMHO place will be packed with football enthusiasts for sure. Theres a big football match in Berlin at Saturday.

[Photographe]

It's disappointing to read such a strong negative report after several mostly good ones about the club post-raid. I'm booked for Berlin a couple days next week. Perhaps should have done Darmstadt instead.

Fingers crossed it is just an outliers bad experience and not all the girls are upselling in the room now.

[Mr Ho]

Went to Artemis for first time since the raid. Overall disappointed. The new freedom where girls can charge what they want has gotten the worst side for some girls now.

Was quite packed at night. Saw a pretty girl called Annie Rom. Pretty. Upselling but decent attitude outside roomer turned shit once inside. No kissing. Wanted extra first BNBJ as "now we can do how we want". Mechanical suck and covered suck. Poor attitude ruined a very pretty girl. I paid and ended it. 60 euros. 8/7/5/(2 attitude inside).

I had been finally convinced into doing a 3 some with her friend Angi who claimed she was Colombian but I am sure Romanian too! Tall. Pretty. Together in room same NSA. Ditto result. 60 7/9/4/2 but with awful BJ too!.Thank you for the report. Well Romanians are to be avoided in any club as they usually are the bad service provider, but this attitude and radical change in service at Artemis is alarming.

It maybe that I should avoid Artemis and go for other FKK in Germany for next trip.