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Mr Ho

11-30-17, 03:43

Still at LR or left? Georgi?

Who were your good girls at LR, if You didn't find potatoes at GT. 1 very hot and tasty for me, since beginning of November, and still Kate, since 2 years and half. I m faithful with respectful girls. Of course, when I see only a prostitute image, no more attraction to will to pay.Well that was best I can explain Siri, but she was 20 years old almost 21, blonde, blueish eye maybe gray, big beautiful natural tit and I think she has been there for almost two years or so.

LR has its own use for me, I may not find stunner of stunner, but I find teeny girls which I want to add to the list of girls I fuck during my visit. LU has been 90% same girls in LR throughout this year though so as GT.

I may throw in Globe Zürich to my German FKK visit by flying in to Zürich one night, so I have two full day at globe Zürich being day time club, also I have to say globe Zürich always has two or three stunners of stunners, so to just add new stunner to my list, flying into one night at globe Zürich and leave next day during late afternoon flight can be solution to not always fucking same stunners.

Sirioja

11-30-17, 22:00

Well that was best I can explain Siri, but she was 20 years old almost 21, blonde, blueish eye maybe gray, big beautiful natural tit and I think she has been there for almost two years or so.

LR has its own use for me, I may not find stunner of stunner, but I find teeny girls which I want to add to the list of girls I fuck during my visit. LU has been 90% same girls in LR throughout this year though so as GT.

I may throw in Globe Zrich to my German FKK visit by flying in to Zrich one night, so I have two full day at globe Zrich being day time club, also I have to say globe Zrich always has two or three stunners of stunners, so to just add new stunner to my list, flying into one night at globe Zrich and leave next day during late afternoon flight can be solution to not always fucking same stunners.GT was really potatoes land on last Friday, with Liza, new pretty Lucy, pretty Monissa, hot body and smile Gia, and a sexy, hot for me, for our show for our second room. To repeat, but only for me now.

About blond with beautiful natural tits, I saw only Luana with glasses on my last visits.

Globe casting was not exceptional for my last visits since 1 year, was better on Summer 2016 with warm swimming pool, but Gianina. De from Hamburg, sitting at the bar close to TV, was really passionate, just returning from holidays. She asked me to return on next day, but even high GFE level, not pretty enough for me to dream for 280 for our hour, but she would be among the prettiest in German clubs.

Mr Ho

12-01-17, 07:38

GT was really potatoes land on last Friday, with Liza, new pretty Lucy, pretty Monissa, hot body and smile Gia, and a sexy, hot for me, for our show for our second room. To repeat, but only for me now.

About blond with beautiful natural tits, I saw only Luana with glasses on my last visits.

Globe casting was not exceptional for my last visits since 1 year, was better on Summer 2016 with warm swimming pool, but Gianina. De from Hamburg, sitting at the bar close to TV, was really passionate, just returning from holidays. She asked me to return on next day, but even high GFE level, not pretty enough for me to dream for 280 for our hour, but she would be among the prettiest in German clubs.Thanks Siri, I be back to Duss, but hmmm LU issue is an issue for me now. Need new stunner added as I always fuck same girls in every club.

PussyLiccker

12-01-17, 10:04

On a recent visit I noticed that a Rebecca currently working at LR isn't the same Rebecca I've met on a previous trip. The current Rebecca is a black haired girl, and the one I've met was a sexy blonde that claimed she was from Czech that provided excellent service. Pity she is no longer around and same for Elli. :( Gigi was missing as well from the group of trio with Daria and Karina. Gigi needs bring her friend Elli back.

Sirioja

12-01-17, 10:54

Only 3 days on mid October at LR for little mum with pretty face, Elli, maybe she returned to Speyer, next time I will call her to go to take my driving license. I think Gigi returned to private, Pearls Trier? No more trio since a while, but good, Daria is back. Bad, I missed Angela for a illusion. Angela was woman type look I like, despite silicon. I also regret superb Jana. De ex Emma Oceans didn't stay, from her not kissing at Oceans, what a good surprise for our room at LR, for sure I would have repeated, what a blond, natural beauty. At GT, she could be a superstar, from her level for our room.

Ho, I thought You ran after German potatoes, rather than schoolgirls, like Maya, Aura or lovely Alessia at LR.

Mr Ho

12-05-17, 07:21

PussyLiccker

12-05-17, 14:54

I'm sure you want to break the Hamburg curiosity MrHo, but Hamburg really isn't a place of model or stunning Germans, no place really is. I've seen the LUs. It's not really all that much in scale in number of clubs or number of girls in clubs either. And on top of that they condone menu based extras in pricing compared to standard pricing at the NRW. The reality is, I will eventually meet a Hamburg German at GT one point since not enough clients to support them back in Hamburg.

Banana Boi

12-05-17, 14:56

I only went with Romanian and Hungarian girls at LR.Who are the current hot Hungarian girls at LR?

BigBuddy69

12-05-17, 16:13

There is Gloria but she may be above your age limit.

From an optic point of view there is (or was) Rose.

Sirioja

12-05-17, 18:43

Siri,

I only went with Romanian and Hungarian girls at LR.

Never came across German there or I do not approach them due to their appearance not being my type.

I run after German that may take me to hamburg next.2 hot Hungarians were on this Sunday at YY. Was also potatoes land, like at GT where Mio, Lucy, Monissa from Hamburg. But Pia from Manheim who wants to eat me since our first room, is just hurricane for sex, she will kill my energy.

Had 2 Hungarians on Thursday and Friday at Sharks. Very hot for sex, Lora, and a beauty who did really trust me for our first room for my game, when I said to her: make me stay long time with You, only 1 h30 because had to go to drive on snow at night with soft tires to make being warm. But she seems to be pimped by a German guy inside Sharks. At LR, it was a talkative little girl behavior for a German guy sending messages to my ex regular when she was sleeping, at night in Romania.

Had only Kate for Romanian, for my 4 days week end. 3 Hungarians, 1 for 2 rooms. Times change.

Tjohoo

12-05-17, 19:03

Sunday 3 December.

A good day in LR. I liked the tortellini for lunch, and I enjoyed the schnitzel in the evening. I don't understand why people complain about the food in LR.

After two days in Babylon I was a little bit "tired", but I managed to have three good rooms.

First up was Maja. A friendly girl with a good sence of humor and a pair of perky breasts. She delivers just what I need in the room every time.

Second room was with my sweet friend Ramona. If I had met her in my young years in school or university I think I would have fallen in love in two minutes. Now I am way over 50 years old and just very greatful to have the opportunity to spend a moment in a bed with a girl like Ramona. We have bumped into each other for 6 months in LR, but I guess this was the last time. She is leaving in a week and not planning to to return.

I have visited LR for almost 10 years but for the first time I had a session in the big room with the high ceeling and the big sofa on the second floor.

Who are the current hot Hungarian girls at LR?I had the big big pleasure to have a session with the hungarian Rose. She is 22 year old and absolutely stunning. In my opinion the most beautiful girl that night in LR. I always get a little suspicious about the stunners. I have experienced a few stunners that have been too self centered and delivered mediocre service. But Rose was nothing like that. She was very friendly and gave good solid service. The only draw back is that she is leaving for Budapest in two weeks and not coming back.

I had hoped to meet Daria again, and get some top service. But she was not in the house on Sunday. Pity!

T.

Sirioja

12-05-17, 19:29

Did you have hot water for showers? Better for girls to suck guys who took shower.

BigBuddy69

12-05-17, 19:56

Everytime I see her since July, Ramona tells me that she's going to leave for good in a few weeks so maybe you'll meet her again. Or unfortunately she'll be a victim of the 01.01.18 disaster.
Actually I was in the club 2 weeks ago and I really hope they'll find a way to keep the same level of service next year.
Lots of girl seen, ladies like Karina, Issa, Bianca and Emma are booked non stop all day. No Maria, no Ina, no Tatiana (she moved to Babylon with Christina). I had the pleasure to meet my first LR girl Alyssa but it was probably for the last time since she doesn't intend to register. From my first encounter with her nearly 4 years ago to this day, she's still as lovely and delivers a very good GFE service. In 2 weeks she's gone (for good probably). I'm afraid that girls like Daria won't be there either.
I tried two new girls : Bella and Vicky. Bella has been here for a few months. 28 yo, ro, slim, A cups, black hair, a gap between her upper teeth, tatoos on her arm and her side. Very good GFE service, good ST. Hangs with Alyssa. Kissing was especially good. Doesn't know if she'll be there next year.
Vicky comes from 6sens. Short (under 160), firm body with nice B boobies, 25 yo, bulg, playboy bunny tattooed on her butt. Very good service and she plans to stay here next year (doesn't like the stairs and the pushiness of the girls at 6s) so at least there'll be one girl in LR !
The german guys think that january will be very slow and that the girls will come back when they realize that they can't all move to NL, Austria and Swiss. I really hope they're right ! I'll come one last time between Xmas and New Year to experience the pre 2018 german quality. There is a new cook, he's nice but a little clumsy. Luckily on my last day all the other cooks were back to help him so the service was fast.
One good thing, Valentina moved to Babylon too so at least she's not constantly harrassing me for a room ! And Lola went to Aplerbeck with Kami.
I forgot : the place needs some works, the showers downstairs near the end of the corridor were broken, some couches were really worn out, the couch at the entrance disappeared, some fans in the room were broken and if I remember well, there is a crack in the big mirror near the entrance.

Howie

12-05-17, 21:47

BigBuddy69

12-05-17, 21:52

Slim, A cups, but in September and before she had long black hair (sometimes reddish). Some tattoos: a name on her wrist, a flower on her shoulder and another name behind her neck. Outie pussy. Slight gap between her upper teeth. It was 2 weeks ago, maybe she's back. And I forgot, your dear Luana was here.

Tjohoo

12-05-17, 21:56

Did you have hot water for showers? Better for girls to suck guys who took shower.Plenty of hot water all day and all night.

Everytime I see her since July, Ramona tells me that she's going to leave for good in a few weeks so maybe you'll meet her again. Or unfortunately she'll be a victim of the 01.01.18 disaster.Yes Ramona have told me the same thing every time also. But this time. Well we never know!

One good thing, Valentina moved to Babylon too so at least she's not constantly harrassing me for a room!Valentina tried very hard to get me to a room many times I LR, but I never went. Now that she's moved to Babylon we have been twice together. I did not have high expectations the first time but she delivered way above my expectations. Good service, and she has a very relaxed and cool attitude in the rooms for beeing so young. Recommended. And very popular among the guests. So in a way I agree with you that one good thing is that Valentina has moved to Babylon. I like Babylon a lot but the club has a shortage of young girls that give good service, so Valentina is a welcome addition!

BigBuddy69

12-05-17, 22:00

Valentina tried very hard to get me to a room many times I LR, but I never went. Now that she's moved to Babylon we have been twice together. I did not have high expectations the first time but she delivered way above my expectations. Good service, and she has a very relaxed and cool attitude in the rooms for beeing so young. Recommended. And very popular among the guests. So in a way I agree with you that one good thing is that Valentina has moved to Babylon. I like Babylon a lot but the club has a shortage of young girls that give good service, so Valentina is a welcome addition!Tatiana from LR moved to Babylon too and she's way more subtle than Valentina. And a lot more classy!

Tjohoo

12-05-17, 22:05

Tatiana from LR moved to Babylon too and she's way more subtle than Valentina. And a lot more classy!Do you know her name in Babylon?

T.

BigBuddy69

12-05-17, 22:06

Amira. And the former Christina from LR (who pretended to be Italian) is Mara.

Sirioja

12-05-17, 23:02

Howie

12-06-17, 02:30

It was 2 weeks ago, maybe she's back.Thanks for the update BigBuddy69.

Also want to check. This petite Maria at LR, is she a different Maria to the one at FKK World who is commonly referred to as Smiley Maria?

I vaguely recall fucking a petite girl from Romania by the name Maria at the World Christmas party in 2015 who looked similar to the one at LR. Just wondering if they are the same person and if she is linked in with Smiley Maria or a different person.

Howie.

Sirioja

12-06-17, 03:36

Thanks for the update BigBuddy69.

Also want to check. This petite Maria at LR, is she a different Maria to the one at FKK World who is commonly referred to as Smiley Maria?

I vaguely recall fucking a petite girl from Romania by the name Maria at the World Christmas party in 2015 who looked similar to the one at LR. Just wondering if they are the same person and if she is linked in with Smiley Maria or a different person.

Howie.Not same, more sophisticated and prettier at LR. A bit of Anjelina for sophisticated look, but more slim and better legs shaving, when both use to have black stockings.

BigBuddy69

12-06-17, 05:29

Totally different.

Sirioja

12-06-17, 22:40

The german guys think that january will be very slow and that the girls will come back when they realize that they can't all move to NL, Austria and Swiss. I really hope they're right ! I'll come one last time between Xmas and New Year to experience the pre 2018 german quality. Most of Germans don't know FKK land, because they are stuck to the brothel close to their garden. But for a foreign free bird, from Hamburg, to Dusseldorf and around, YY in NL, Koln, Darmstadt and Switzerland, Austria is too far in Winter, I will wait to be in Dolomiti, even January is usually a bit slow until end of month, but just have to open eyes all over FKK land, to find new fresh beauties.

Smiling Tatiana is a loss for LR, would be the same if sweet, lovely Alyssa and exceptional Daria leave. Ariana is now at YY, 50 kms West Dusseldorf, with no need to register.

Mr Ho

12-07-17, 02:31

2 hot Hungarians were on this Sunday at YY. Was also potatoes land, like at GT where Mio, Lucy, Monissa from Hamburg. But Pia from Manheim who wants to eat me since our first room, is just hurricane for sex, she will kill my energy.

Had 2 Hungarians on Thursday and Friday at Sharks. Very hot for sex, Lora, and a beauty who did really trust me for our first room for my game, when I said to her: make me stay long time with You, only 1 h30 because had to go to drive on snow at night with soft tires to make being warm. But she seems to be pimped by a German guy inside Sharks. At LR, it was a talkative little girl behavior for a German guy sending messages to my ex regular when she was sleeping, at night in Romania.

Had only Kate for Romanian, for my 4 days week end. 3 Hungarians, 1 for 2 rooms. Times change.YY and LU at YY had bad reputation, but you are telling me LU at YY is getting good close to Jan 1 registration and after?

Then I should try out YY next year.

GT had 90% same LU buddy.

Sirioja

12-08-17, 10:32

YY and LU at YY had bad reputation, but you are telling me LU at YY is getting good close to Jan 1 registration and after?

Then I should try out YY next year.

GT had 90% same LU buddy.Each one his eyes and brain to enjoy or not casting. Some like to fuck schoolgirls type, I'm more attracted by woman type. When they have sophisticated elegance, then they become really desirable for me.

At YY, I had Lara ex LR, Larissa ex LR now Violeta at Sharks, but I never saw such casting than on last Sunday. I could go with at least 5 girls, MichèLE. Cz was not even a target, which is very rare for me, even at Globe. But as always, I preferred to go with only 1 girl, it s my way and better for my pleasure. I did so at World for 1 year and at LR for many months, every week end. I sometimes drove to World on Wednesday evening, driving 1300 kms, having 2 rooms when she came only for me, going and back to Paris in 17 hours, on January 2015 when Wengen and Kitzbühel World cup on week end, at night, under rain, not sleeping, just to dream with her, who can do it? Jumping with the car on my little Nurburg between Giessen and Limburg, the jump gave me adrenaline not to feel asleep, in Winter I was swearing so much when landing on wheels. When I find a attractive girl for look and behavior, 1 girl makes club being good for me, and I enjoy to meet her every week end, I enjoy seeing her coming to me smiling. Then I can meet Kate for 2 years and half, she is my record girl for rooms, Isabella now at Globe for about 3 years, Megan now at Globe for nearly 2 years, as long I can look at her like a woman, but when her behavior make me look at her like a prostitute, when I see public foreplay or understand she is not what she claimed to be, then I don t touch her anymore. She doesn t worth anymore to pay for, because no more dream, so no more pleasure. How can I enjoy to kiss a girl after seeing her kissing everybody? Fortunately, most of my favs who are usually the prettiest in clubs, are not providing public sex, and even ask me not to take them to kino, they feel more comfortable in private for our foreplay.

I prefer to have and go only with 1 really attractive girl, rather than fucking all School GND who are so numerous in clubs. Only 1 girl in FKK land would even be the best for me, it was sometimes like this, so I don t mind if casting don t change when I have my dreamed girl. All my dreamed girls, except Rachel. De when she started at GT, are Romanian. They are sensual like French women, when German girls are usually skillful on technique, but a bit robot for behavior. But half German half Turkish or Arabian roots can be really hot, like my sexy potato at GT.

Besides, as I answered to my friend who wants I return with him to LR, even I miss Alyssa sweetness, but LR is not good about ski World cup, when bald, day manager spend his day watching Bundesliga 2, and even staff always welcome me, but I want to watch my passion, no girl can make me dream on same level.

PussyLiccker

12-08-17, 17:31

The girls that kiss are ones that kiss majority of the guys. You make it sound like you are some cansanova with WGs. LOL.

You happen to run into nice girls that can put up with you longer than others.

BigBuddy69

12-08-17, 18:03

You just destroyed his dreams!

PussyLiccker

12-08-17, 18:09

You just destroyed his dreams!Hey sometimes reality is necessary.

Optimist

12-08-17, 20:55

Sirioja

12-08-17, 21:14

You just destroyed his dreams!Nobody can have so many dreams than me, Kate remembering about my dream about Alaska for Helsinki, for extreme free ride, from our room upstairs at Aca, more attractive for me than going to ski in Romania. I also make girls make me dream, building them for my tastes with my manners. I won once again for this at YY, she ask me to make her cum, very enjoyable. I was also very successful with Corina. Hu at Sharks for our first room, who really did trust me for my way for sex. I don t care what girls do in room with others, but for sure public exhibitions kill my desire. Alyssa is quite classy for her behavior in lounge, 1 is not what she claimed to be. Albanian, Turkish, Arab money kill elegance. Not anymore my level for class, girls are on same level than their clients.

LR nights are now mostly Turkish.

Sirioja

12-08-17, 22:08

Pursuit of dreams in clubs is doomed to fail as reality always kicks in. All girls are real and not one can be a dream.

Fantasies are another matter. We can safely buy fantasies. As long as we know they are fantasies. Girls can sell fantasies, and sometimes manufacture the right one for each client. I am a sucker for a well constructed fantasy. ;)Fucking, even pretty, a piece of meat, is so boring. Really not worth to pay just to empty balls. On the other hand, when You are able to look at her like a woman, behind the prostitute, and to make her play your game, then it become interesting and worth to pay for this game. But when she really behave like a prostitute, then no more woman to enjoy, so game and dreams are over. Next one to play again. As I m not stuck to a club, I have all FKK land for playfield, and I m used to get the prettiest in all clubs I visit.

Sex without dreams is for animals, I m not into extreme fantasy, I prefer sex like at home, more real for me.

Smoke Light

12-08-17, 22:35

Sirioja

12-09-17, 03:10

Girls also have a tendency to fantasize. For example, their eyes get quite dreamy when they say "I have this client who always goes with me when he comes to the club."

Whatsup is a cemetery of dreams. All my interactions with girls end up with "Work is terrible, I didn't make any money today". "I have to pay my rent. " "Could you send me some little money?" RIP fantasy! LOL.Yes, when most of clients are just money, but girls are proud to say: everybody know you come only for me. No problem for me, then other girls don t come to ask. Even I go only with my top girl, but YY is a real nightmare, my friend can laugh, seeing all girls coming to me, exhausting even they are friendly, but I m married once again, until next one. No children for divorce.

On this Friday, I felt I won with her, if she was always great for sex, but now she comes to me, she plays my game without needing to ask, she really wants to give me pleasure in room, very enjoyable new behavior, but she will leave. So, I enjoy as much I can.

Claude Challe

12-09-17, 19:21

Fucking, even pretty, a piece of meat, is so boring. Really not worth to pay just to empty balls. On the other hand, when You are able to look at her like a woman, behind the prostitute, and to make her play your game, then it become interesting and worth to pay for this game. But when she really behave like a prostitute, then no more woman to enjoy, so game and dreams are over. Next one to play again. As I m not stuck to a club, I have all FKK land for playfield, and I m used to get the prettiest in all clubs I visit.

Sex without dreams is for animals, I m not into extreme fantasy, I prefer sex like at home, more real for me.Change the bloody record.

Just face the reality, girls are just working, and your seduction is non-existent, check your mirror!

Howie

12-10-17, 07:08

Hey Bigbuddy69,

Is the Maria that you are alluding to the very petite slim, A cups, short black haired Romanian? If so bummer. I was hoping that she would be around as I'm thinking of doing LR run at the end of this week.

Howie.To follow up, I called the club this past Thu, Fri and Sat but no Maria on all three days. So skipped LR and went to Oceans and Acapulco instead. Line up at both these clubs were pretty good. Hoped I didn't miss out on anything at LR.

Howie.

Sirioja

12-10-17, 19:56

Whatsup is a cemetery of dreams. All my interactions with girls end up with "Work is terrible, I didn't make any money today". "I have to pay my rent. " "Could you send me some little money?" RIP fantasy! LOL.Not my experience. Even 2 of my weekly regulars, both with about 50 rooms, lost charm for me, due to heir new behavior, far from what they were or claimed to be, but my more than 40 rooms were all Romanian, and none of them never asked me for extra or tip or present for birthday, never asked me money when they are at home. My ex regular at LR really love money, as I said to her: she is ready for anything for money, she doesn't only sell her ass, but she also sold her mind, but to be fair to her, she was always very honest about money with me. Daria. Ro, Alyssa. Ro, Jeni. Ro are or were also very honest. I always thought I could give my credit card and my pin to my World Romanian regular and let her take money at ATM, I wouldn't have to worry.

Mac, I took risk to give my phone to my new top girl, but after seeing how she caressed and kissed me when I wished her good holidays and she understood for first time I wouldn't repeat on same day, I don't worry much, I m pretty sure she won't ask me, she really changed for behavior now, coming to me, behaving to please me. Many enjoyable rooms with her, lovely, playful, high sexual level. I may have manners for no upselling, not more money than club rate asked. I m sure manners and behavior pay.

Sirioja

12-10-17, 21:20

Change the bloody record.

Just face the reality, girls are just working, and your seduction is non-existent, check your mirror!Even poor casting since 2 weeks, only Kate for me and I miss my hot sexy potato, but I really like GT new design, with so many mirrors now, to look at me in the eyes, girls laugh looking at me in front of mirror. I also like to take all my time under shower and I didn't know I would be able to have sex with a girl with a witness, my new Asian FKK friend. Yesterday, I had my first Christmas present, like I had on World Christmas party 2014 with a classy lady in red with 4 rooms on week end. A real model smiled to me when she was returning from room, I immediately understood she is my new Asian friend girl, so for his respectful behavior with me, I went to tell him about her, I let her to him, waiting to get her after, even I hate to wait, but he knew her before me, and I respect him for his behavior. When they returned, I went to her, she said to me and he also told she wants 100 per 30 mn, but when I saw how she looked at me, I thought I would manage. While we were waiting for the room, with my manners, I saw how her behavior changed, in room she was asking for so much tenderness, far from Turkish or Albanian pimps, so passionate, hot and sensitive, I fucked her so sporty for more than 1 hour during our 2 hours room, I stopped at 2 hours, she never stopped me from fucking her, amazing potential and stamina, so sensitive, kissing all along, she asked if I would come back in this club when she knew I live in Paris. When we finished, I said to her I needed to take money with my credit card and asked her how much she wanted? Answer: 50 for each 30 mn = 200 for 2 hours, when she could ask me for so many extras, even I showed her she is too tight for anal with me when she wanted I tried, and she asked extras to my Asian friend. My Christmas present with no upselling, nor extra. Even on first room, I'm never asked for extra, nor tip. She proposed me her number, now will have to manage about pimps and security dogs with their friends, but I wish to enjoy such a dreamed lovely beauty again.

Real misery in Germany, how is it possible a real model, so sweet, so lovely, so great for sex, doesn't attract a normal German guy, but pimped like many other German girls? As I said to her, she would be my princess if she was my GF, and she felt I treated her like a princess, even we had sporty sex.

My behavior made me save 200 € and had great sex with her. So many times, even on first time rooms, I m over 1 hour or 1 h30 and pay only 100 or 150. My new Asian friend made me laugh when I was driving on snow to Paris, sending me after his second room with her: I won't go anymore with a girl after you, she wanted to sleep.

Sirioja

12-10-17, 21:31

Kate remembering about my dream about Alaska for Helsinki, for extreme free ride, from our room upstairs at Aca, more attractive for me than going to ski in Romania. Nothing about Helsinki in Finland, to fly to Alaska, but there, need helicopter to reach ultimate spots, that's why called Heli-ski, other dream to achieve.

AznHotBoy

12-11-17, 04:37

... only Kate for me...Any news if Kate is coming back next year?

ExpatLover

12-11-17, 07:51

Even poor casting since 2 weeks, only Kate for me and I miss my hot sexy potato, but I really like GT new design, with so many mirrors now, to look at me in the eyes, girls laugh looking at me in front of mirror. I also like to take all my time under shower and I didn't know I would be able to have sex with a girl with a witness, my new Asian FKK friend. Yesterday, I had my first Christmas present, like I had on World Christmas party 2014 with a classy lady in red with 4 rooms on week end. A real model smiled to me when she was returning from room, I immediately understood she is my new Asian friend girl, so for his respectful behavior with me, I went to tell him about her, I let her to him, waiting to get her after, even I hate to wait, but he knew her before me, and I respect him for his behavior. When they returned, I went to her, she said to me and he also told she wants 100 per 30 mn, but when I saw how she looked at me, I thought I would manage. While we were waiting for the room, with my manners, I saw how her behavior changed, in room she was asking for so much tenderness, far from Turkish or Albanian pimps, so passionate, hot and sensitive, I fucked her so sporty for more than 1 hour during our 2 hours room, I stopped at 2 hours, she never stopped me from fucking her, amazing potential and stamina, so sensitive, kissing all along, she asked if I would come back in this club when she knew I live in Paris. When we finished, I said to her I needed to take money with my credit card and asked her how much she wanted? Answer: 50 for each 30 mn = 200 for 2 hours, when she could ask me for so many extras, even I showed her she is too tight for anal with me when she wanted I tried, and she asked extras to my Asian friend. My Christmas present with no upselling, nor extra. Even on first room, I'm never asked for extra, nor tip. She proposed me her number, now will have to manage about pimps and security dogs with their friends, but I wish to enjoy such a dreamed lovely beauty again.

Real misery in Germany, how is it possible a real model, so sweet, so lovely, so great for sex, doesn't attract a normal German guy, but pimped like many other German girls? As I said to her, she would be my princess if she was my GF, and she felt I treated her like a princess, even we had sporty sex.

My behavior made me save 200 and had great sex with her. So many times, even on first time rooms, I m over 1 hour or 1 h30 and pay only 100 or 150. My new Asian friend made me laugh when I was driving on snow to Paris, sending me after his second room with her: I won't go anymore with a girl after you, she wanted to sleep.What you are reporting is exactly what always happen to me, the girls re not stupid and they can easily feel the differences from one guy to other, why they will not stay 2 hours with a respectful guys despite sitting on the sofa and get bored, when the guy is a asswhole obviously she will charge him the maximum.

Sirioja

12-11-17, 10:49

To follow up, I called the club this past Thu, Fri and Sat but no Maria on all three days. So skipped LR and went to Oceans and Acapulco instead. Line up at both these clubs were pretty good. Hoped I didn't miss out on anything at LR.

Howie.She was at LR on 3 November, but LR desk say the truth, like at GT, when asking for girls working. Many times, they told me Angela didn't work, since 12 October I m free at LR. Unfortunately, no more Angela who left, Elli also left, I didn't see Raluka for my last visits.

You should like sweet, pretty Maria if you liked Jolie Angelina or Megan.

Member #4585

12-11-17, 11:35

Tedesco

12-11-17, 13:42

Sirioja

12-11-17, 15:00

In case someone has news about Norwegian Trixi please let me know. On 3 November she told me to come back not earlier than February 2018, but perhaps she Comes earlier (please PM in order not to lose the news).Call LR, they answer.

Not a beauty for my eyes. First time I meet a Norwegian who are usually prettier, in FKK land.

Mr Ho

12-11-17, 16:37

McAdonis

12-11-17, 17:10

Whatsup is a cemetery of dreams. All my interactions with girls end up with "Work is terrible, I didn't make any money today". "I have to pay my rent. " "Could you send me some little money?" RIP fantasy! LOL.Maybe you could take pre-emptive actions early-on? The opportunity exists to state your stance on "donations". For instance, she could talk about how her customer from Belgium recently brought her an expensive gift. You could easily just say something, "A friend of mine did that once. After that she expected more from him and she even started requesting money. My friend was so hurt he couldn't even look at her in the face after that. I hope you've never done this". It will probably be obvious to her that you are planting a seed. You could even playfully accuse her of doing it. She will playfully deny, but it will ensure she remembers this conversation.

If a girl is smart, she won't ask directly for money. Happened to my friend who was nouveau riche. A girl he liked was taking three days to respond to messages. Turns out she had been complaining for weeks about her financial troubles. First few times, she even asked him not to worry about it. She "insisted" she would figure something out on her own. Then I explained to him she will respond to you in the next day. And she will say something like this: "Sorry I didn't respond to you right away. I've been so stressed. I really wish I could solve my financial problem so that I could have more time to spend with you". Then she will pause and wait for you to react. More or less played out like I told him it would. If she desperately needed the money, she could have sold one of her designer bags.

Optimist

12-11-17, 18:09

Maybe you could take pre-emptive actions early-on? The opportunity exists to state your stance on "donations". For instance, she could talk about how her customer from Belgium recently brought her an expensive gift. You could easily just say something, "A friend of mine did that once. After that she expected more from him and she even started requesting money. My friend was so hurt he couldn't even look at her in the face after that. I hope you've never done this". It will probably be obvious to her that you are planting a seed. You could even playfully accuse her of doing it. She will playfully deny, but it will ensure she remembers this conversation.

If a girl is smart, she won't ask directly for money. Happened to my friend who was nouveau riche. A girl he liked was taking three days to respond to messages. Turns out she had been complaining for weeks about her financial troubles. First few times, she even asked him not to worry about it. She "insisted" she would figure something out on her own. Then I explained to him she will respond to you in the next day. And she will say something like this: "Sorry I didn't respond to you right away. I've been so stressed. I really wish I could solve my financial problem so that I could have more time to spend with you". Then she will pause and wait for you to react. More or less played out like I told him it would. If she desperately needed the money, she could have sold one of her designer bags.Exactly right in your last para. At first the girl says she has problems but doesn't want help as she is independent. Then she stops calls for a few days and says she was too stressed to talk. The cycle repeats a few times, plus stories of misfortune and selling of assets. If she is really smart she will even then not ask for money, but the target guy (me for example) might offer a small gift, and the trap is sprung. If the guy doesn't offer a gift, a request for help will come, even if the guy has categorically stated he will never send money as you suggest at the beginning (girls will still try if they sense a chance)

No criticism. Just how it works. Sometimes I give something, in payment for "free" time spent with me and for a high level of illusion provided by the girl. Normally not

McAdonis

12-11-17, 18:42

Optimist. A week after her first mention of financial troubles, you could also let her know that you yourself are having financial difficulties. Beat her to the punch!

Citizen Kane

12-11-17, 18:46

Optimist. A week after her first mention of financial troubles, you could also let her know that you yourself are having financial difficulties. Beat her to the punch!Just tell her your Mum needs an operation and ask her to loan you 20 grand.

ExpatLover

12-11-17, 20:00

Exactly right in your last para. At first the girl says she has problems but doesn't want help as she is independent. Then she stops calls for a few days and says she was too stressed to talk. The cycle repeats a few times, plus stories of misfortune and selling of assets. If she is really smart she will even then not ask for money, but the target guy (me for example) might offer a small gift, and the trap is sprung. If the guy doesn't offer a gift, a request for help will come, even if the guy has categorically stated he will never send money as you suggest at the beginning (girls will still try if they sense a chance)

No criticism. Just how it works. Sometimes I give something, in payment for "free" time spent with me and for a high level of illusion provided by the girl. Normally notWhat you are reporting is true, most of the girls in the clubs have no moral and for them trying to get your money is a great thing to achieve.

Horny Harry

12-11-17, 20:18

Maybe you could take pre-emptive actions early-on?As soon as I get a phone number from a girl, I immediately block her on WhatsApp and the other messaging apps.

When I'm horny and I want to hook up, I unblock her and I message her. Most girls, probably all girls, won't even know you've blocked them because they copy-paste the same 'need-more-money' message to all their contacts.

And even if they do notice, just give them some vague reply like "yeah sorry I blocked you because otherwise my wife might find out" or "I lost my phone."

She probably won't really believe your excuse, just like you really don't believe her bullshit about needing money for an operation, but you won't notice anything in the performance in the room. In her eyes she did nothing wrong when she tried to scam you for some extra bucks, so 99 times out of 100 she will still want to keep you as a regular customer.

Smoke Light

12-11-17, 20:56

Some girls are very hard to resist. One of my favorites keeps sending me naked pics and some really provocative videos of herself. It's really entertaining. I did send her a little cash in exchange for free extras the next time I visit. Making "investment" into my future LOL. 200 euro is my absolute hard limit on such charity moves.

Optimist

12-11-17, 21:32

Optimist. A week after her first mention of financial troubles, you could also let her know that you yourself are having financial difficulties. Beat her to the punch!I have tried that. It makes no difference. From their point of view there is no downside in trying as I have "sucker" written on my forehead lol

I just say no. Except when I say yes :D When I do make an extra payment I always say I don't believe a word of their stories, and the money is recompense for free time and effort they put into being nice to me (the illusion)

I don't mind. As long as we know the rules of the game we can play to get what we want out of it

The danger is when we believe what we are told

BigBuddy69

12-11-17, 21:37

If you pay that's not free time anymore.

Optimist

12-11-17, 22:00

If you pay that's not free time anymore.Correct. The payment as I describe is a gift, not part of a pre agreed contract, even if the girl was planning to get money in return

BigBuddy69

12-11-17, 22:04

And what about bringing little gifts instead? Women are suckers for lingerie.

Sirioja

12-11-17, 22:04

Any news if Kate is coming back next year?Kate will be on holidays on 18 December, I m very happy for her she will spend Christmas far from FKK land on this year. Even she knows I preferred at Aca, in Alaska or Champagner, but I like her behavior with me since September 2015 , she doesn't need to play actress. Wish to keep tasting her on 2018, she is my record for rooms girl and she deserves.

Sirioja

12-12-17, 02:48

Norwegian in German FKK? Really?Friendly girl, but really not pretty. Short hair, tattooed.

Sirioja

12-12-17, 13:03

And what about bringing little gifts instead? Women are suckers for lingerie.When she started at Sharks on November 2015 with her low quality black high socks like in Russian institute, I bought to Francesca / Megan french classy black stockings, to enjoy to put her off, but it was too sexy for her mind, only with black stockings and full naked at Sharks, but she was not 20 yo yet, not a real woman yet.

So enjoyable how girls look at me putting them off stockings or panties. Then I know if I will win, from chicken skin.

Mr Ho

12-14-17, 06:09

Friendly girl, but really not pretty. Short hair, tattooed.Ah OK, not my cup of tea then LOL.

I have to say LR and GT has most well mannered girls in all the FKK I went to. I was never cursed by politely refusing them to go to room.

Service also.

Sirioja

12-14-17, 17:06

Ah OK, not my cup of tea then LOL.

I have to say LR and GT has most well mannered girls in all the FKK I went to. I was never cursed by politely refusing them to go to room.

Service also.Most of girls are friendly, but I don t agree for good manners. Once, I arrived on Thursday evening at LR, a member told to my regular I was having diner, I heard her answering thank you to him, I thought she had really good manners and that s why I had chosen her, but after being fucked by too many Albanians, Turkish, Arab, for months, I refused she kiss me when she came to me as she did each time, I didn't like her new smell and taste, I prefer kebab at Acapulco, then she really lost her good manners and she behave like a real prostitute, so far from the classy girl she claimed to be.

PChew

12-14-17, 19:58

Police control at today s Christmas party.

ExpatLover

12-14-17, 20:23

Police control at today s Christmas party.Not a good sign, the police wants to demonstrate their power even on a special day, probably the club was asked to deliver something and they refused so the police came.

ExpatLover

12-14-17, 20:25

Police control at today s Christmas party.The downstream of World started several years back repeated police actions like this, some customers don't like this at all they want to keep the full privacy.

BigBuddy69

12-14-17, 20:53

Nice way to kill the mood.

PChew

12-14-17, 21:49

Nice way to kill the mood.It is more than just killing the mood for tonight.

BigBuddy69

12-14-17, 21:55

What happened?

Sirioja

12-15-17, 08:12

Police control at today s Christmas party.Registration control for girls, or control for guys?

I experienced 2 registration control at LR and I kept on enjoying with my girl, there was no problem, even they entered in our room when we were fucking.

Mr Ho

12-15-17, 11:35

Police control at today s Christmas party.Like Artemis stlye big police raid or rather medium raid?

On what ground police were there? Tax like Artemis?

Ggekko2009

12-16-17, 00:41

Police control at today s Christmas party.How long did the police linger around? Hopefully they didn't storm in their SWAT gears, LOL. So I read from a few posts that they were doing spot check to see if the girls there are registered, and whether if they pay their taxes? Is that true? Or is it for something more nefarious?

I am glad that I already had my share of fun at LR and GT last week instead of this week. The more reason to avoid attending promoted parties like these which just bring in unwanted attention.

As always, I have enjoyed the companionship of LR girls, including Cassey, new girl Antonia. Ro (loved the way how she danced and twerked and seduced you with those moves, that even the German clientele wanted her bad and told me to tell her to look him up after my session) and her friend Ami (also Ro, pretty short and she wore socks, black eyeglass same as Cassey, long black hair, with pretty nice set of natural tits). Before I forget, there is also Maya who is fun and very enjoyable to be with.

There were some duds, but I will just skip them in my mention here.

PChew

12-16-17, 11:45

Woke up late after party so arrived about 1 pm. 3 receptionist girls were present and gave me a warm welcome. Headed to shower. In the whole Nov. The shower was a nightmare. Either the hot water was not stable, or simply there was no hot water for a day when I simply left. Glad to see that the hot water is now more stable, though the one next to kino remains shut. Went for food and salmon and tome other fish were served. Something similar to, but not exactly the same, Spanish ham / jamon Serrano was also served. Tasty. Knowing it is party I tried to do the girls quick. Not much choice during day time. Aura is the prettiest despite her poor performances. Went with her first and done with first shot in half an hour room. After shower went outside to the small Christmas market where they serve sausages and warm red wine. Took them and enjoyed some quiet time in the tent. After a small nap (couldn't really sleep as there are quite a few polar) went back inside and looked for another girl. Spotted a natural blonde and she was new since I saw her 2 weeks ago. Blue eye (I was told half-Russian). Not the prettiest face but she was friendly and smily. Forgot her name (something like Isa but doesn't matter as I don't think she will come back, let's call her Isa for now). Wear purple sexy lingerie like all other girls. About be-cup. It's close to 6 and no room wait yet and thought I better get this one done before the crowd came. Went to the room and told her I will need a bit longer cum given all the sex and drinks I had in the past days. She smiled and said no problem. Long DFK for over 10 minutes. I immediately extend the session to an hour and prepared to extend as long as I need to cum. Keep kissing her body and DATY until she told me to stop. Had a breath and then it's her turn to give me long blow job. Deep throat at some time. Then sex with her in cowgirl and then I switch to missionary. Great sex and she was wild. The room was cold to start with but we both sweat a bit by now. Then someone opened the door while I am doing doggy!. Both of us were shocked and it was the authority. I still don't know if they are tax man or police but let's call them police for now. Isa was called outside while I was told to stay in the room. After about 15 mins Isa came back and said she couldn't continue. No point for me to ask the reasons so I went out and paid her. The next time I saw her is at about 10 pm and she was wearing street clothes, crying and heading out of the club. I felt so sorry for her and myself. She is such a sweet girl and gave me such a good time and was her last day of working before heading back home for a Merry Christmas and I didn't cum with her in the room after her prolonged efforts.

Got frustrated and headed out and posted in forum to vent my frustration. I guess it's about 7. 30 and now a lot of plain clothes policemen and policewomen are present. All the girls disappeared from the lounge for about half an hour. The band has arrived as well as the bartender. I went for dinner which is duck and beef steak. I was thinking to leave but not much option on the table so I stayed. Then I was my regular girl and I decided to stay. I went with her in the room and usual superb services. Cum again and we both rested and caressed each other. Then a policewoman opened the door! Both myself and my girl couldn't hear any knock (music was loud?) and when she opened the door, my girl had her hand on my cock and strobing. The policewoman said "condom please" and then she closed the door. My girl was upset and went outside and argue with her that she has done nothing wrong. She wasn't expected to wear a condom to touch my dick! Anyway lost my mood and stopped the session, hoping the police would go soon. No they stayed, took pictures, took all the girls, and messed around till 1 am. I went to room again later after trying the cocktails, and again my session was interrupted by the receptionist this time, telling me that the police wants to speak with the girl. The girl came back after 15 mins wearing a band wrist saying given by the police she can work legally. Told me what happened to the club and to those girls and blah blah. No point to state these in a public platform. And let's ensure everything is legal in the forum.

Came out at 1 am. Saw Casey, Aura, Ramona still present with a couple of other girls. Amir and Alina were not here today. Also saw Amber, Bella, Vicky, Ada. I have seen police control but this time I wasn't asked for ID. This is also by far the longest I have seen - 5 hours? I don't go to party a lot and would like to hear from others if party is more prone to raids. My experience with party was bad if I want to sex. Over crowded, long room wait. But yesterday night there's hardly any room wait at any time. I hope for a better start for living room next year which is a great club for me followed by Samya.

McAdonis

12-16-17, 12:39

The policewoman said "condom please" and then she closed the door. Two times door was opened? First time no knock, second time knock you didn't hear? Guess I was wrong. Its enforcible.

Optimist

12-16-17, 12:50

PChew

12-16-17, 12:52

Two times door was opened? First time no knock, second time knock you didn't hear? Guess I was wrong. Its enforcible.For all 3 times the door was opened both the girl and I didn't hear any knock on the door. Maybe the person outside has knocked. But that's not the point. In practice, the music, the sex actions, how hard the knock etc will affect whether you can hear a knock on the door or not. Then this depends on which room you choose, and whether the person actually knocked. Too many factors involved. I am not sure I will enjoy sex if I have to keep an ear on the door.

PChew

12-16-17, 12:55

PCChew. Thanks for the detailed information. After having been interrupted in rooms by Police raids in the past I now try to choose rooms where I can hear what is going on in the main club so that I have some warning time to get myself in a position where I can face the Police with an innocent look. Of course at LR this is not really possible given the layout.Kind of reply this in McDonis's response. I know and agree what you mean about LR's layout but for me it is hard in practice. Sex is not enjoyable when my mind is on something else. And in practice it is very hard to hear what's outside. My girl discussed about getting whatsapp from her friends outside but we think we will simply ignore messaging during sex.

Rogue Nation

12-16-17, 13:06

Maybe LR shouldn't have been openly contradicting and opposing the BBBJ ban. Could have brought them into focus for the authorities. I have experienced a few raids / controls and never were the rooms opened by the police or anybody else.

Rogue Nation

12-16-17, 13:09

Forgot: Locking the door helps. Doesn't LR have keys to lock the doors from the inside? They used to have.

PussyLiccker

12-16-17, 13:09

PChew, sorry to hear about what happened. Thanks for an informative report. Your report is in the ROD.

Sirioja

12-16-17, 13:12

If they didn't control guys identity, it was just one more registration control, like in February and September. I think there will be many more at the beginning of 2018, to check if girls are registered. Had great time with my ex regular for 2 registration controls I experienced, because she was all free for me, no Turkish, no Arab, and I'm not afraid of Polizei, even they enter in our room, but I didn't agree to share her. We could keep on fucking.

The Cane

12-16-17, 13:35

Two times door was opened? First time no knock, second time knock you didn't hear? Guess I was wrong. Its enforcible.WTF? With this kind of shit happening I will not be going back to Germany!

BigBuddy69

12-16-17, 14:11

Thanks for the helpful report. I hope this control won't make the girls afraid of the Kondompflicht.

Znipper

12-16-17, 14:23

For all 3 times the door was opened both the girl and I didn't hear any knock on the door. Maybe the person outside has knocked. But that's not the point. In practice, the music, the sex actions, how hard the knock etc will affect whether you can hear a knock on the door or not. Then this depends on which room you choose, and whether the person actually knocked. Too many factors involved. I am not sure I will enjoy sex if I have to keep an ear on the door.Thanks Pchew for your feedback.

I wonder if a club should / could install some kind of emergency system. Every room a bright light which is used when an emergency arises and attention is needed. Much like normal lighting in a cinema when there is a fire alarm.

Jimmy Boy 99

12-16-17, 15:40

Kind of reply this in McDonis's response. I know and agree what you mean about LR's layout but for me it is hard in practice. Sex is not enjoyable when my mind is on something else. And in practice it is very hard to hear what's outside. My girl discussed about getting whatsapp from her friends outside but we think we will simply ignore messaging during sex.Get one of those plastic door stops and place it under the door. It will stop anyone from coming in (as long as the door opens into the room). I brought a couple for my trip last October / November, but never used them.

Optimist

12-16-17, 16:38

Sirioja. As you say, one more normal control. No need for any panic. After January 1 such checks will continue and will include checks on registration.

Everybody: this is normal in FKKs.

Bfsie

12-16-17, 17:22

I was told today by a friend of mine, who regularly goes to GT and LR, that there was an extensive police raid in Thursday night, so I checked this thread. As I indicated before, you guys shouldn't underestimate the german authority's commitment to enforce the law. I think that the reason there are not many raids and other activities so far is because the law is relatively new and the german government is still not fully functional with regard to this law, i.e. who or which branch takes care of what. I expect that by the end of first half of 2018 they would be ready.

I do believe that vast majority of serious FKK mongers are careful of what they do or post even though on the surface of FKK threads there is deep division between restricted and unrestricted postings, which I personally have encountered on GT thread. If you take poll, which actually can be done on one of FKK threads, and ask ISG members who went to FKK AT LEAST TWO TIMES A YEAR IN THE PAST THREE YEARS: Are you for restricted postings or are you for unrestricted postings? I am pretty sure that at least 80% of the qualified members would be for restricted postings because they care about the future and availability of FKK clubs. If you ask the ISG members living in Germany, my guess is that nearly 100% of them would be for restricted postings.

One of bad features of open and public forums like ISG is that everyone can post almost everything. For example, some ISG members, who rarely went to FKK, can post views on FKK threads encouraging posting illegal activities. I don't even rule out that some of those FKK posters want to have something bad happen to FKK out of various reasons such as jealousy. I hope FKK regulars and frequent international mongers stand firm and don't be convinced by those who have ill-wish about FKK.

Ggekko2009

12-16-17, 17:32

I was told today by a friend of mine, who regularly goes to GT and LR, that there was an extensive police raid in Thursday night, so I checked this thread. As I indicated before, you guys shouldn't underestimate the german authority's commitment to enforce the law. I think that the reason there are not many raids and other activities so far is because the law is relatively new and the german government is still not fully functional with regard to this law, i.e. who or which branch takes care of what. I expect that by the end of first half of 2018 they would be ready.

I do believe that vast majority of serious FKK mongers are careful of what they do or post even though on the surface of FKK threads there is deep division between restricted and unrestricted postings, which I personally had encounter on GT thread. If you take poll, which actually can be done on one of FKK threads, and ask ISG members who went to FKK AT LEAST TWO TIMES A YEAR IN THE PAST THREE YEARS: Are you for restricted postings or are you for unrestricted postings? I am pretty sure that at least 80% of the qualified members would be for restricted postings because they care about the future and availability of FKK clubs. If you ask the ISG members living in Germany, my guess is that nearly 100% of them would be for restricted postings.

One of bad features of open and public forums like ISG is that everyone can post almost everything. For example, some ISG members, who rarely went to FKK, can post views on FKK threads encouraging posting illegal activities. I don't even rule out that some of those FKK posters want to have something bad happen to FKK out of various reasons such as jealousy. I hope FKK regulars and frequent international mongers stand firm and don't be convinced by those who have ill-wish about FKK.I still believe that they, as in the government, are more interested in getting their fair share of tax revenue more than anything else.

Member #4585

12-16-17, 17:47

I still believe that they, as in the government, are more interested in getting their fair share of tax revenue more than anything else.The girls finally paying their fair share of tax will certainly restrict the industry and the number of girls in it.

Really only the most successful girls will continue to work which means fewer.

PChew

12-16-17, 18:08

Forgot: Locking the door helps. Doesn't LR have keys to lock the doors from the inside? They used to have.Not any more. If I remember correctly they changed it from July 2017 for obvious reasons and started putting signs outside the door to indicate if it is free or busy. Some rooms do have emergency buttons but I don't pay attention to them so can't comment how many there are.

Smoke Light

12-16-17, 18:18

Forgot: Locking the door helps. Doesn't LR have keys to lock the doors from the inside? They used to have.July 1st LR removed locks from all doors and put "occupied / unocupied" signs (in German) on each door so the girl flips the sign when entering the room. The system is similar in Samya where the "key" is hanged by the entrance to each room indicating the room is taken.

I wonder if this is legal for police to enter rooms without knocking. Unless there is a credible evidence that a crime is being committed, like when a girl pushed the alarm button.

Privacy. Everybody must insist on privacy in the room. If I was a citizen in Germany and experienced such unwelcome entry I would hire a lawyer and sue. I don't know who I would sue, but that's lawyer's business. Psychological damage, having nightmares, losing ability to sleep, losing erection during sex, and so on and so on. This is serious matter.

And what a wonderful way of spending taxpayers money on these police raids. Never mind, I better shut up because it is 1000 times worse here at home in the US.

Rogue Nation

12-16-17, 18:39

The girls finally paying their fair share of tax will certainly restrict the industry and the number of girls in it.

Really only the most successful girls will continue to work which means fewer.Where is the link between registration and paying taxes? There's none.

Bfsie

12-16-17, 18:53

... ask ISG members who went to FKK AT LEAST TWO TIMES A YEAR IN THE PAST THREE YEARS: Are you for restricted postings or are you for unrestricted postings? ...Correction: I meant "AT LEAST TWO TRIPS A YEAR FROM ABROAD IN THE PAST THREE YEARS" instead of "AT LEAST TWO TIMES A YEAR IN THE PAST THREE YEARS". Two trips, not two times.

BigBuddy69

12-16-17, 19:15

You remember well. They took off the locks and they put the signs on the door. I think there are alarm buttons in every room now.

Pistons

12-16-17, 20:00

No surprise here. The police officers probably read this and other forums as well. Even he policewoman. But thinking before posting and bragging about no condoms is still happening.

Finnish Fucker

12-17-17, 00:32

Few weeks ago I had a session with romanian Sophie and she turned out to be a nice suprise. Good body and tits and pleasant in the room. First hooker ever who offered to use a thin condom instead of those thick crap ones that all of them have.

BigBuddy69

12-17-17, 06:09

The easiest solution is to bring your own condoms.

ExpatLover

12-17-17, 06:42

The easiest solution is to bring your own condoms.Yes it is exactly what I do for many years.

Rogue Nation

12-17-17, 11:25

Sirioja

12-17-17, 15:07

Sirioja. As you say, one more normal control. No need for any panic. After January 1 such checks will continue and will include checks on registration.

Everybody: this is normal in FKKs.Just registration control for girls, not the first one, not the last one, and polizei will run for taxes on 2018, so controls should be more often. For no control, YY or 6 ens NL, but drug control with a beautiful labrador yesterday at YY. Really no reason to panic if you are not a pimp / fish, or a drug dealer, no need to be afraid of our own shadow. Of course, bad for PC for his room, I was luckier for 2 controls I experienced at LR, my ex regular didn't worry about and on these 2 times, she was very free for me, and happy to get business, as I wasn't afraid of my shadow, so we could have rooms together, even polizei entered many times when I was in her. She just showed number she had been given, and they didn't check if I had condom or not inside her.

As far as I know, brothels are legal in Germany, I m often controlled leaving clubs on the middle of the night, when polizei ask me what a French do in Germany on middle of the night when they saw me leaving Aca, or GT, or Sharks, so I answer I have to drive to Germany, because Verbotten in France, they control my papers, the car, alcohol, and let me go to play on autobahns at night.

After writing on this forum to practice English, when I can't anymore name my favorites, to protect them versus poor mind guys, now my new German favorites learn me German. PL, I will run to repeat with small blond doll, so pretty when she smiles, so GFE, a real pleasure for this discovery, higher tenderness than her ex friend Rachel. De GT. White skin, no tattoo, so small feet, beautiful teeth and eyes, asking me how I did to make her cum with real liquid to drink for proof, my only proof compare to moaning. WGs are sex machine, ready to be fucked 10 times, for some more than 20 times per day, for money, but they don't know how work their body. Anyway, great day for me, with 2 German dreamed girls.

For girls, about registration, like with clients, better to claim not to be so busy, clients think the girl is more fresh, who wants to go with a girl fucked by all guys in the club, and taxes are from money made, girls pay from what they declare for money made, so claimed busy girls will pay more taxes.

Danke girls. Tchuss.

Ggekko2009

12-17-17, 15:16

Where is the link between registration and paying taxes? There's none.Since every transaction is cash based there, this is the only way how they can track. Are these girls going to under report their earnings, Sure, but at least now the authorities are able to cross track their presence based on flight records movement etc and tax receipts that they make regularly.

The sex industry in Germany is worth at least a few billion dollars annually, and that is with a big B. It will not be surprising that the government would want a piece of the pie.

Finnish Fucker

12-17-17, 15:24

The easiest solution is to bring your own condoms.I often bring my own rubbers but this time I forgot.

Sirioja

12-17-17, 15:56

Where is the link between registration and paying taxes? There's none.Isn't registration to identify prostitutes and check if they pay taxes from money made they declare.

Alarms in rooms are not new at LR.

Rogue Nation

12-17-17, 18:27

Since every transaction is cash based there, this is the only way how they can track. Are these girls going to under report their earnings, Sure, but at least now the authorities are able to cross track their presence based on flight records movement etc and tax receipts that they make regularly.

The sex industry in Germany is worth at least a few billion dollars annually, and that is with a big B. It will not be surprising that the government would want a piece of the pie.Authorities could also track girls right now. No problem at all. A girl let's at a club in Hessen is paying 25€ tax advance every day she works. Club takes a copy of her ID (not registration, normal ID or passport), usually every day. Tax authorities can demand these papers from the club, so they know that "Lieschen Müller" has been working at the club for 200 days per year. She paid her entry 200 days per year. She had the cost for sleeping (if she lives in the club) for 200 days (or more) per year. So her cost adds up to 200*100 (as an example) =20.000€ per year. She also paid 200*25€=5000€ tax advance. Now she has to make sure she doesn't show a too high income. Easy as it is cash business and nobody can tell how often she's been to the room, which extras she offered and how much money she made.

The registration paper doesn't change anything from my perspective.

ExpatLover

12-17-17, 19:43

Just registration control for girls, not the first one, not the last one, and polizei will run for taxes on 2018, so controls should be more often. For no control, YY or 6 ens NL, but drug control with a beautiful labrador yesterday at YY. Really no reason to panic if you are not a pimp / fish, or a drug dealer, no need to be afraid of our own shadow. Of course, bad for PC for his room, I was luckier for 2 controls I experienced at LR, my ex regular didn't worry about and on these 2 times, she was very free for me, and happy to get business, as I wasn't afraid of my shadow, so we could have rooms together, even polizei entered many times when I was in her. She just showed number she had been given, and they didn't check if I had condom or not inside her.

As far as I know, brothels are legal in Germany, I m often controlled leaving clubs on the middle of the night, when polizei ask me what a French do in Germany on middle of the night when they saw me leaving Aca, or GT, or Sharks, so I answer I have to drive to Germany, because Verbotten in France, they control my papers, the car, alcohol, and let me go to play on autobahns at night.

After writing on this forum to practice English, when I can't anymore name my favorites, to protect them versus poor mind guys, now my new German favorites learn me German. PL, I will run to repeat with small blond doll, so pretty when she smiles, so GFE, a real pleasure for this discovery, higher tenderness than her ex friend Rachel. De GT. White skin, no tattoo, so small feet, beautiful teeth and eyes, asking me how I did to make her cum with real liquid to drink for proof, my only proof compare to moaning. WGs are sex machine, ready to be fucked 10 times, for some more than 20 times per day, for money, but they don't know how work their body. Anyway, great day for me, with 2 German dreamed girls.

For girls, about registration, like with clients, better to claim not to be so busy, clients think the girl is more fresh, who wants to go with a girl fucked by all guys in the club, and taxes are from money made, girls pay from what they declare for money made, so claimed busy girls will pay more taxes.

Danke girls. Tchuss.Yes FKK is legal but I don't like to be controlled inside the clubs it happen one time to me in World and die Polizei took all the infos from my passport and put them in a laptop, the same for all the guys. Never good to be listed like this somewhere. I guess that the controls will be more often in 2018.

ExpatLover

12-17-17, 19:47

Neurosynth

12-17-17, 22:47

McAdonis

12-17-17, 22:51

It's a raid that would have taken place even without the new law just as previous raids have been.GT is averaging one raid a month since the July. Frequency has gone up they say.

Rogue Nation

12-17-17, 22:57

It sounds to me like this raid had essentially nothing to do with condom use, and everything to do with registration and taxes. This is the first confirmed report of doors being opened that I'm aware of, So why open doors immediately after or while or before knocking? I've seen raids that were about taxes. There was a knock on the door, nobody opened it. Police gave the girls a few minutes to come out and brought them into the restaurant. This seemed different.

Ggekko2009

12-18-17, 01:55

It sounds to me like this raid had essentially nothing to do with condom use, and everything to do with registration and taxes. This is the first confirmed report of doors being opened that I'm aware of, and there was no report of men being hassled other than a single quick verbal warning. So I wouldn't consider this a case of condom law being enforced. Other than the chilling effect it has among those already nervous about the situation that is. It's a raid that would have taken place even without the new law just as previous raids have been.Maybe a German ISG reader can tell me if the following is true or provide insights. From what I know, given the historical baggage, the German government does not want to take big brother approach and regulate their citizens private lives. Condom policy is probably something that strictly falls under private lives of two consenting adults. They would definitely have other bigger priorities. I think a lot of folks are just worrying too much about nothing. Anyway, just my two cents.

McAdonis

12-18-17, 02:46

The registration paper doesn't change anything from my perspective.Is the registration paper requirement the same as the requirement for the WG to provide their her address? If so, I believe the intent behind the physical address requirement is an attempt to ensure that the WG is working independently.

Regarding taxation, I've seen an article that estimates that German prostitution industry to be 15 billion EUR annually. I am not an economist, but that doesn't seem like a huge number to me. Quick Google search tells me that tobacco industry in Germany is worth 33 billion EUR. When people buy cigarettes in Germany, 60% is going to taxes. So if German government really wanted to get some uncollected tax money, they could go after all the illegally imported cigarettes. People act like Germany is this poor country that is dependent on the sex tourism industry for money. People act like money is the driving force behind the new laws. I am not sure if I can believe that.

Smoke Light

12-18-17, 03:52

Sirioja

12-18-17, 08:16

Authorities could also track girls right now. No problem at all. A girl let's at a club in Hessen is paying 25 tax advance every day she works. Club takes a copy of her ID (not registration, normal ID or passport), usually every day. Tax authorities can demand these papers from the club, so they know that "Lieschen Mller" has been working at the club for 200 days per year. She paid her entry 200 days per year. She had the cost for sleeping (if she lives in the club) for 200 days (or more) per year. So her cost adds up to 200*100 (as an example) =20.000 per year. She also paid 200*25=5000 tax advance. Now she has to make sure she doesn't show a too high income. Easy as it is cash business and nobody can tell how often she's been to the room, which extras she offered and how much money she made.

The registration paper doesn't change anything from my perspective.And do you know, girls working at Sharks never had any bill for 25€ per day they pay to the club for taxes. I'm pretty sure it's same at World, Mainhattan and Oase. Girls don t know where go their 25 per day. What happen if they want to move? Where are taxes they paid?

I'm also pretty sure prostitutes registration, better for girls to give club hotel address rather than private address, is much more to run after taxes from money made being fucked, I think better to claim to have slow business for taxes as explained me my long time German friend even I don t go with her since more than 4 years but she still loves me for how I treat her, the way she see I look at her and she never forgot our rooms on July 2013 , and I think controls in club may be more often to come in 2018 , but to run after taxes rather than to run after pimps / fish like Albanian who take money from Dina. Pimps are not only those who drive their beloved GF to brothel, to be fucked all day or night, but also those who live from prostitutes money.

Really dirty world with lazy guys hidden behind poor girls, even for some girls claiming to be Queen, or Princess, or superstar, but being robbed in private.

Princesses are just in my eyes, as long their beauty and behavior make me dream. When a Princess returns to prostitute behavior, then have to find a new one. Sometimes I thought I would not find a better one, but as since 15 years I started climbing, I never started a bicycle climbing just only for pleasure, but always to try to improve performance, pushing as much I can, often over strength and pain, ready to kill my body, I also need to find better girl than past one, and I work to make them being or becoming great for me. Since end of November, many Christmas present girls to enjoy, before ski. Enjoyable time.

Rogue Nation

12-18-17, 08:53

They can give an address of a women's support organization as well.

Optimist

12-18-17, 11:32

A warning from Police to use condom is something completely new, for obvious reasons. Not very nice to be on the receiving end. Sorry you had this experience PCChew

Optimist

12-18-17, 11:38

Maybe a German ISG reader can tell me if the following is true or provide insights. From what I know, given the historical baggage, the German government does not want to take big brother approach and regulate their citizens private lives. Condom policy is probably something that strictly falls under private lives of two consenting adults. They would definitely have other bigger priorities. I think a lot of folks are just worrying too much about nothing. Anyway, just my two cents.Historically you are right in the years since 1945. Longer term the German state was very interventionist and the current trend is towards more intervention in the name of the public good. Hence the new law about condom use and registration

Pistons

12-18-17, 19:55

Pistons

12-18-17, 19:58

Girl takes condom in mouth and starts the BJ. Frau Merkel storms the door and observes the condom is just about to be professionally administered upon the client, but the actual procedure is canceled due to his loss of erection. Good job, Frau Merkel!

The governments seem to uniformly abandon the common sense of citizen's privacy. Shame.The Return of the Gestapo? Some German newspaper journalist should use that as an argument against this LR raid. It is quite outrageous. And hopefully it can change. These things usually just needs pr attention though.

CoolBreeze0003

12-18-17, 23:22

A warning from Police to use condom is something completely new, for obvious reasons. Not very nice to be on the receiving end. Sorry you had this experience PCChewThis is the reason I stopped going to Germany, and I don't plan to go back until something changes for the better.

Shrubbery

12-18-17, 23:45

As I indicated before, you guys shouldn't underestimate the german authority's commitment to enforce the law.I think you are absolutely right. The sad thing is that the actions of the police, such as entering the room during sessions or ruining male guests evening, will only serve to drive the sex market underground, thereby promoting sex trafficking and forced labor.

The police will try to get as much work done, with as little effort as possible. When it comes to policing the sex market, this means frequently raiding the Saunaclubs and Lafthauses. The way the police carries out these raids seem to be quite humiliating for both the girls and their clients.

I think many customers will turn to private apartments and streetwalkers to get the services and privacy they desire. It is much easier for traffickers and pimps to control and intimidate the girls at these venues, than at Saunaclubs and Lafthauses. The girls are also more likely to be victims of serious violence at these venues.

I believe that the long-term effect of the way the German sex market is policed, is that pimps and human traffickers will get control of a much larger market share than today. In the end, the girls will be the victims of the Polices actions.

It saddens me.

Sirioja

12-19-17, 11:28

The Return of the Gestapo? Some German newspaper journalist should use that as an argument against this LR raid. It is quite outrageous. And hopefully it can change. These things usually just needs pr attention though.For many afraid of their own shadow, 1st July should be the end of FKK world, for me nothing changed in FKK, except I stopped with 1 regular who became too prostitute behavior to be still desirable for me. I found 3 new real lovely beauties, I kept enjoying Kate since 2 years and half.

Germany is not DDR and Polizei is not Stasi for those who knew the world behind the wall. Polizei will run after big money from taxes about prostitution, like they run after You on autobahns for over-speed, but they don't care about condom or pimps, even Turkish or Albanian pimps who are around many German girls. Most of times, Police, same in France, don't know laws, like when they wanted to keep my car in Germany, and they had to send me back my driving licence.

For sure, more and more registration controls to come, mainly around Dusseldorf, but I never had problems for this controls, only girls lose time.

Keep on enjoying freedom about prostitution in Germany, compare to France or Sweden where clients can be prosecuted, even no problem for me for meeting escorts.

Smoke Light

12-19-17, 16:27

Makos999

12-20-17, 01:09

LR Dec 17 1 pm.

Small place, nice friendly receptionist. Not many girls, about 6-8 at arrival around 1 pm. Pamela Bu actively introduced herself and 31 after letting me sit down came sat next to me. Very nice kisses to the neck and lips, and caused a positive reaction despite her saggy tits. He rose very quickly and off to the kino. No one else in there, straight in to BJ. Pretty active BJ, was promised long and slow but got medium and medium, which was good. Could FIV no problem, pretty deep. On to RCG, mish, more BJ then doggie. I nearly finished in mish but held on till doggie. Got the usual 'must be time up' but was only 15 minutes (I'the been driving from the UK since the morning and needed a release). Optically below standard, operationally well above.

1.5 hours later and ready for another. Saw Alexia Ro 19 glasses walking around and had a great figure, with smallish cute bum. Got a coffee and she motioned to me so I walked over. English not great, but good enough. Been here 11 months, flying home tomorrow. Off to room, which was very hot. She blew well, no issues there, in a couple of different positions. Into some DATY, no problem but no fingers or tongue allowed inside. Onto the main event, CG (fast, she wasn't so keen), mish (again she wasn't relaxed) then doggie (by now I'the learnt she wasn't quite big enough, or liked to fake that, so I had to slow down and not so deep). Finished in doggie, all good. Not the best, not the worst.

3rd name Erika (real name Alexandra) Ro 28 Approached me and had a nice chat. Off to room and fantastic BJ, well performed, nicely timed. Into mish at various speeds which was great. Turned her over and CG to finish. Looking for a different ending this time. Worked well. The real joy was once finished and I asked she performed an excellent hand massage and then my full arm without asking, and then moved over to my other arm. Fantastic relaxing finish, perfect. Lovely girl. May move to the UK next year.

BigBuddy69

12-20-17, 06:06

Thanks for your reports, clear and informative.

Sirioja

12-20-17, 22:52

Sirioja,

I share your optimistic view and hope for the best in 2018. However, I think Germany should stay vigilant not to become a police state when dealing with prostitution. When everything settles down and majority of WGs are registered in 2018, entering rooms on the basis of condom control is a harassment of the sex worker. Imagine if police storms into a medical building during a medical procedure to validate some kind of government regulation. Everybody will consider this improper, so why WG environment should be singled out and treated differently? This is harassment of the sex worker, plain and simple. Her work environment becomes worse, not better. It is a trait of a police state.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_stateFirst, sad, Daria didn't stay for long time, really lovely, high level girl. Angela. Ro moved to PHG on end of October.

Prostitution exist since Madeleine, still exist in France even clients can be prosecuted.

Germany, like France, are lands of freedom, WGs want to make money, pimps behind most of them want they make money. New law is to try to protect girls health, and also wives of so many married guys who go to fuck in FKK, and fuck wife after. Also to identify prostitutes to get taxes from this business, big money to make. So everybody have money to make in this business, prostitutes, pimps, Germany, so, no reason to worry, girls are registered since long time in Switzerland and Austria, and still many girls in clubs. Wellcum. At had great casting on August, many great girls in Switzerland, many great girls for me in Germany since 1st July. Some clubs staff say to girls they don't want complaints from clients, so we can keep on enjoying, even many registration controls to come on 2018 , but for girls, not for us. Also NL where no registration.

HungryStud101

12-23-17, 03:19

Historically you are right in the years since 1945. Longer term the German state was very interventionist and the current trend is towards more intervention in the name of the public good. Hence the new law about condom use and registrationAhhh yes. Government intervention for public good. I love big government. They can solve all our problems, right comrade? Intervention is intervention. Stay the fuck out of our lives!

Member #4581

12-23-17, 04:47

No surprise here. The police officers probably read this and other forums as well. Even he policewoman. But thinking before posting and bragging about no condoms is still happening.Yes, the police read the reports here and decided to raid. Very direct cause and effect link. Definitely.

Why not raid Dietz? There are dozens of reports of AO sex there.

It's been almost 6 months. There must have been at least a few million blow jobs given in all this time in all the clubs of Germany.

Even if only half were w / o condom, that's still in milllions. How many men were booked so far?

Member #4585

12-23-17, 05:22

Yes, the police read the reports here and decided to raid. Very direct cause and effect link. Definitely.

Why not raid Dietz? There are dozens of reports of AO sex there.

It's been almost 6 months. There must have been at least a few million blow jobs given in all this time in all the clubs of Germany.

Even if only half were w / o condom, that's still in milllions. How many men were booked so far?Sound logic: if a non AO but BBBJ club like Living Room is raided then why not an AO club like Dietz get raided?

I know the delay of 6 months is due to many of the States not knowing what to do with implementation of the new law.

For example, is checking for condom use the job of the health authority or the police? Who is going to teach the girls how to apply a condom? Sex education in schools or the nurse at the hospital or clinic?

Each State must come up with its way if implementation of the law. So there are delays and transition periods.

But correct your first point.

Member #4581

12-23-17, 05:39

Bitumen,

Yes, I agree with you. I know you have been saying for a while that it is still a bit premature and real impact could be felt after Jan 1, not necessarily in a draconian implementation by the police but impact on girls, attendance, registration problems etc.

Let's wait and see as you say.

I am also sorry PChew had to go through a harrowing time. A bit unnerving for anyone to be in that situation.

What I can never understand is the rush to tie any incident anywhere to the comments on ISG and trying to shut down freedom of writing. It's a bit funny for people to be lamenting about Gestapo tactics and then demand that members should shut up and stop writing (although the moderator has made it clear that any such discouragement from writing is against forum rules).

BigBuddy69

12-23-17, 06:07

Maybe the police learned that the club was putting "gegen Kondompflicht" papers in the lockers.

Sirioja

12-23-17, 08:00

More often controls at GT and LR than in some other clubs around Dusseldorf, according to girls. LR was controlled at least 4 times in 2017, and for Christmas party.

Often drug controls with dogs at YY.

Rogue Nation

12-23-17, 08:57

Sound logic: if a non AO but BBBJ club like Living Room is raided then why not an AO club like Dietz get raided?Different states. Hessen vs NRW. Plus Dietzenbach is officially complying with the law, GT and LR are not.

Pistons

12-23-17, 13:06

What I can never understand is the rush to tie any incident anywhere to the comments on ISG and trying to shut down freedom of writing. It's a bit funny for people to be lamenting about Gestapo tactics and then demand that members should shut up and stop writingAgain I am referred to as 'people'. Well then, the two of us will make this proposal:

Nothing is better than full freedom. Even allowing all sex acts. (Well duh). But the world is a place where you have to navigate other idiots with different meanings. Sometimes in higher up positions or who has lobbied the world into certain laws. And so the world turns into a police state because people feel they need help from society (ugly single people who don't like men or women to pay for sex). Or as I believe is the main reason: religions trying to win wars, so they make marriage important while we all are more or less polygamous. In such a world of corruption, believing that full freedom of speech is a 100% certainty in every situation is at worst idiocy and at best naive. Or if you disagree, I would advocate you to stand out in your local shopping mall with signs saying 'I love prostitutes', 'BJ for 50 $?' and 'the best form of international aid'.

ExpatLover

12-23-17, 13:56

Yes, the police read the reports here and decided to raid. Very direct cause and effect link. Definitely.

Why not raid Dietz? There are dozens of reports of AO sex there.

It's been almost 6 months. There must have been at least a few million blow jobs given in all this time in all the clubs of Germany.

Even if only half were w / o condom, that's still in milllions. How many men were booked so far?Sorry to repeat it again but the target of the police in not the condom, they don t care about it, this is just the cosmetic aspect of the law the real target is to reduce the offer and especially to force the girls to quit the scene and I believe it is already starting to work at least in the big club I am feeling that more and more girls are veteran prostitute moving from one club to another or country to another but I am not seeing many new young girls joining the clubs in the last 3 weeks. Let us see what will happen in January when many girls will have to come back to earn money now it is Christmas time.

NNC1701

12-23-17, 16:00

Different states. Hessen vs NRW. Plus Dietzenbach is officially complying with the law, GT and LR are not.In which way are LR and GT not complying with the law?

Member #4581

12-23-17, 17:29

Sorry Pistons, you covered so many topics there that I am afraid it is impossible to have any meaningful debate. If you want to debate your philosophy on every topic from war to sex to religion to politics and polygamy dadada , it is easier to do one at a time.

As far as the proposal you make at the bottom. Sorry, can't accept, but if you feel strongly about it you should go ahead with it yourself. Solicitation is illegal where I live. Writing about BBBJ on ISG is not. In fact, discouraging other members from writing about BBBJ is against forum rules. In effect, by arguing that people should stop writing, you are flouting one forum rule here and when I object then you are asking me to commit another illegal act in my state. Not very logical.

Member #4581

12-23-17, 17:31

Different states. Hessen vs NRW. Plus Dietzenbach is officially complying with the law, GT and LR are not.People here wrote doing AO sex in Dietz. How is that complying with the law, assuming what the members reported is truthful.

Optimist

12-23-17, 17:37

Ahhh yes. Government intervention for public good. I love big government. They can solve all our problems, right comrade? Intervention is intervention. Stay the fuck out of our lives!Hi. You refer in replying to me as "comrade", apparently as an insult. Maybe you were erroneously thinking I was supporting the government. Just to be clear, as I have previously written many times, I am extremely concerned about the encroaching power of governments in the name (they say) of the public good. As another member, Horny Harry, frequently pointed out, look at Sweden and its path, now proposing criminalising its citizens who buy sex abroad and establishing a legal presumption of guilt of anyone accused of sexual harassment or [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)

I was merely trying to say the German state was becoming more interventionist and describe what it saw as its rationale.

I hope that clears up any misunderstanding

Optimist

12-23-17, 17:42

People here wrote doing AO sex in Dietz. How is that complying with the law, assuming what the members reported is truthful.

I hope I can make a helpful post

Dietzenbach club is taking all reasonable measures to ensure it complies with the law. So I think RN is correct about that.

If ISG members write about doing acts that are illegal then that is, I think not illegal.

The on going debate about the effect of such reporting has been continuous and ISG members are quite rightly ( for clarity here, I am saying members according to the forum rules are allowed to post as they wish on the relevant activities) making their own decisions on this

(My judgement is that reporting can only be deleterious, but others will say I am suffering an excess of extreme caution)

Whether what we write makes even the tiniest difference or not, only the long passage of time will tell. As you say, the raid at LR proves nothing, except that Police are aware of the law, and it seems they were on that occasion not trying to enforce its condom requirements

Cheers

Rogue Nation

12-23-17, 17:50

Writing about BBBJ on ISG is not. Nobody said it's illegal. Maybe it's not very wise to do so. Most members here think it is wise to report about BBBJ and it will not have any effect. Maybe yes. Maybe no.

Pistons

12-23-17, 17:53

As far as the proposal you make at the bottom. Sorry, can't accept, but if you feel strongly about it you should go ahead with it yourself. Solicitation is illegal where I live. Writing about BBBJ on ISG is not. In fact, discouraging other members from writing about BBBJ is against forum rules. In effect, by arguing that people should stop writing, you are flouting one forum rule here and when I object then you are asking me to commit another illegal act in my state. Not very logical.That is not at all true. My proposal was about you standing at a shopping mall with signs advocation the liberalization of prostitution. It is clearly not the same as soliciting in a society where it is illegal. I didn't say you should have sex with someone at the shopping mall. Nor did I say you should have sex with the poster.

And this is not a discouragement of posters on ISG. Nor was the former post I made half a year ago that gave me a red dot. They are liberal thoughts on self censorship. You can disagree if you like, but censoring my liberal thought is just as much censorship as self censorship is. Then again, the world is unfortunately not an utopia, and if we like to have room sessions abruptly interrupted in the middle of sexual acts like at LR, then sure, its got absolutely nothing to do with postings on the world biggest prostitution forum. Absolutely. Because cops don't know about this hidden part of the internet.

Kosher Kowboy

12-23-17, 18:46

People here wrote doing AO sex in Dietz. How is that complying with the law, assuming what the members reported is truthful.I think you make a good point however you also posted the key word, the word that makes IMO all this ISG paranoia unwarranted.

The word ' assuming' ; facts to make a case need hard evidence, they can not go off assuming.

Dietzenbach club is taking all reasonable measures to ensure it complies with the law. So I think RN is correct about that.

As you say, the raid at LR proves nothing, except that Police are aware of the law, and it seems they were on that occasion not trying to enforce its condom requirements

I think both you and RN are very correct about Dietz complying. Most clubs probably are.

I believe it is not the responsibility (I stand corrected if I am wrong) of the club (Ao or not) to enforce the condom usage laws but do need to make it aware to the girls and the men what the law is and signs are posted in the clubs including Dietz. Big ones. They are in compliance. They may have a duty to report if they are told of an illegal act. If BBBJ and AO are going on in the clubs our posts on a ' fantasy board' mean diddly squat. Who is to say Member XYZ was even in Germany? Perhaps Poster XYZ is a guy at home simply writing fantasy and is in reality in a wheelchair unable to fuck? Perhaps I have never been to Germany and all my stories are fabricated? Where is the proof?

To think the police are not aware of AO or BBBJ taking place is naive, they know. I see it live at some clubs in the hot tubs. Others have seen it happen in kinos. Are the police stupid? I think not. They can see it live in hot tubs too if they wanted especially if I can as a infrequent visitor. To think the police need the internet or the ISG to build a case or find out is silly. They already know and can find out without our posts which are at the end of the day ' unproven acts ' on a ' fantasy board' what is posted is not fact, fact can only be found out in person. How many men have been busted in 6 months or locked up? If they wanted to the accrued fines since July 1 (or major lack of) could be massive and the jails full. They are not. Their payday is coming January 1. They will have their money. They will have records of who the girls are and where they live. They will have the control they want and the funds they want. They do not give a shit about AO or BBBJ although they might make a token bust in the new year (hopefully not I) somehow to show they mean business on the registration / tax part and to install fear in men but I would bet if they do it will have nothing to do with anything ever posted on the ISG.

The club is also required to make sure the girls who work there are legal as are all clubs. This they can and will enforce and the clubs need to as well ensure their girls are legal and registered. That is what this raid was about, storm in to a smaller FKK (lower costs than raiding a massive club) and send a loud warning shot across the bow to the girls. It worked. The female cop who said ' use a condom' was there for the raid on registration not to bust BBBJ recipients. How many men were charged or hauled in? To the best of my knowledge all girls that will be at Dietz and other clubs who will be working are complying and getting registered.

So how is Dietzenbach itself not in compliance?

I think people are paranoid about nothing and should be more worried about girls not returning, girls under 21 maybe not returning, quality of girls in the FKK's, perhaps a new batch of unseasoned girls will fill up the spots of the departed? Perhaps someone's ATF will depart? Will there be enough pussy for all the men still?

Guys IMO need be worried about the upcoming Hurricane to hit January 1, not the hurricane that passed 6 months ago and where is it now? IMO long gone. The paranoia remains.

All just my opinion, perhaps my fantasy, like our posts.

Member #4581

12-23-17, 18:47

Optimist: if illegal acts happen, they are still illegal regardless of how many reasonable measures are implemented by the club owner; no?? The fact that the club took reasonable measures to enforce the law **might** count in its favor if it ever comes to a trial and penalties. But unclear why that would change the facts of the case, i.e. an illegal act, or many illegal acts were committed on the premises (assuming they happened)

I agree with Kosher about reports on a fantasy board as he puts it. I and others have made the same argument many times. Members can make up stories, embellish them, completely falsify them, make up reports about visits and sessions that only happened in their wet dreams, assume a hundred fake avataars and create a thousand penthouse letters. Even if the all upstanding and honest members of this forum adhered to the "shut up and keep quiet" policies, there is no guarantee whatsoever that others won't post what they may post.

Optimist

12-23-17, 18:56

If illegal acts happen, they are still illegal regardless of how many reasonable measures are implemented by the club owner; no?? The fact that the club took reasonable measures to enforce the law **might** count in its favor if it ever comes to a trial and penalties. But unclear why that would change the facts, i.e. an illegal act, or many illegal acts were committed on the premises (assuming they happened)Yes basically. A man doing an illegal action is the responsible one. The club is not responsible.

The club would be presumably committing separate offence if it facilitates such offence.

Pistons

12-23-17, 19:01

however you also posted the key word, the word that makes IMO all this ISG paranoia unwarranted.All we ever do in life are assumptions. Assumptions that what we see and hear is not just a part of our own mind. Assumptions that numbers and words we are being given are not forged. Assumptions that we are not just playing a part in an intergalactic reality drama broadcasted live to 200 trillion people across the galaxy.

Smoke Light

12-23-17, 19:02

Typically during razzia music stops and all "normal" club sounds disappear. That might be a signal for you to become vigilant and expect unwelcome visitors when in a room with a girl.

Any attempts by police to enter without warning I consider a harassment of the sex worker. If no established probable cause of criminal activity exist, the government should not be entering private rooms without timely knocking on the door and substantial verbal warning before entering.

Kosher Kowboy

12-23-17, 19:09

Yes basically. A man doing an illegal action is the responsible one. The club is not responsible.
.Optimist,

I would like to sincerely apologize to you. Under false pretenses you met my younger brother. I have never been to Germany. The guy you met likes to go to Dietzenbach for the sole purpose of fucking the most hideous god awful ugliest women with the filthiest most disgusting over worked pussies Germany has ever seen. I have told him to try other places and pay up for attractive girls but he simply will not listen to me. He will only ride the S2 ' Creampie Express' not because he creampies in Dietzenbach in fact he always wears a condom even for handjobs!!

I am flat broke, my brother makes all the money. I call it the Creampie Express because my brother found a bakery in Dietzenbach that makes these great cream filled desserts. I just enjoy writing, one day I too hope to go to Germany for covered sex like my brother.

Member #4585

12-23-17, 19:10

Different states. Hessen vs NRW. Plus Dietzenbach is officially complying with the law, GT and LR are not.I have already mentioned that different states are implementing the law in different ways as they find their way with the various government agencies. It may eventually become a uniform approach but in this initial transition stage there may be a number of unknowns.

Please enlighten as to how Dietzenbach, apart from registration and putting up condom only signs, is officially complying with the law versus GT and LR are not with regard to allowing the girls to perform AO and BBBJ?

Pistons

12-23-17, 19:16

Too much paranoia.

A3

Optimist

12-23-17, 19:16

Optimist:

I agree with Kosher about reports on a fantasy board as he puts it. I and others have made the same argument many times. Members can make up stories, embellish them, completely falsify them, make up reports about visits and sessions that only happened in their wet dreams, assume a hundred fake avataars and create a thousand penthouse letters. Even if the all upstanding and honest members of this forum adhered to the "shut up and keep quiet" policies, there is no guarantee whatsoever that others won't post what they may post.I agree as well.

By the way I hope I am not upstanding. I would rather be scurrilous.

My decisions about how I post are not intended to guarantee that others won't post what they want. As I keep saying, each member should post as they think fit.I think we are agreed :)

Optimist

12-23-17, 19:20

I think you make a good point however you also posted the key word, the word that makes IMO all this ISG paranoia unwarranted.

The word ' assuming' ; facts to make a case need hard evidence, they can not go off assuming.

I think both you and RN are very correct about Dietz complying. Most clubs probably are.

I believe it is not the responsibility (I stand corrected if I am wrong) of the club (Ao or not) to enforce the condom usage laws but do need to make it aware to the girls and the men what the law is and signs are posted in the clubs including Dietz. Big ones. They are in compliance. They may have a duty to report if they are told of an illegal act. If BBBJ and AO are going on in the clubs our posts on a ' fantasy board' mean diddly squat. Who is to say Member XYZ was even in Germany? Perhaps Poster XYZ is a guy at home simply writing fantasy and is in reality in a wheelchair unable to fuck? Perhaps I have never been to Germany and all my stories are fabricated? Where is the proof?

To think the police are not aware of AO or BBBJ taking place is naive, they know. I see it live at some clubs in the hot tubs. Others have seen it happen in kinos. Are the police stupid? I think not. They can see it live in hot tubs too if they wanted especially if I can as a infrequent visitor. To think the police need the internet or the ISG to build a case or find out is silly. They already know and can find out without our posts which are at the end of the day ' unproven acts ' on a ' fantasy board' what is posted is not fact, fact can only be found out in person. How many men have been busted in 6 months or locked up? If they wanted to the accrued fines since July 1 (or major lack of) could be massive and the jails full. They are not. Their payday is coming January 1. They will have their money. They will have records of who the girls are and where they live. They will have the control they want and the funds they want. They do not give a shit about AO or BBBJ although they might make a token bust in the new year (hopefully not I) somehow to show they mean business on the registration / tax part and to install fear in men but I would bet if they do it will have nothing to do with anything ever posted on the ISG.

The club is also required to make sure the girls who work there are legal as are all clubs. This they can and will enforce and the clubs need to as well ensure their girls are legal and registered. That is what this raid was about, storm in to a smaller FKK (lower costs than raiding a massive club) and send a loud warning shot across the bow to the girls. It worked. The female cop who said ' use a condom' was there for the raid on registration not to bust BBBJ recipients. How many men were charged or hauled in? To the best of my knowledge all girls that will be at Dietz and other clubs who will be working are complying and getting registered.

So how is Dietzenbach itself not in compliance?

I think people are paranoid about nothing and should be more worried about girls not returning, girls under 21 maybe not returning, quality of girls in the FKK's, perhaps a new batch of unseasoned girls will fill up the spots of the departed? Perhaps someone's ATF will depart? Will there be enough pussy for all the men still?

Guys IMO need be worried about the upcoming Hurricane to hit January 1, not the hurricane that passed 6 months ago and where is it now? IMO long gone. The paranoia remains.

All just my opinion, perhaps my fantasy, like our posts.Thank you for the well argued, balanced post.

My only addition to your main point is that we will not know how the laws will be enforced or not until a year has passed.The LR raid indicates nothing

Nobody would suggest that any member reporting here is in any significant danger of being prosecuted as a result. So you will be pleased to know your younger brother is safe in his fantasies..

And as you say, the authorities don't need forums to build a case against a club: I would however assume that they would drag in every piece of hearsay and fantasy possible, when looking at a club. If they want to bring down a club it is likely to be by using registration, tax, fire, and planning infringements

In the meantime, keep calm and carry on as you say.

Rogue Nation

12-23-17, 20:15

Please enlighten as to how Dietzenbach, apart from registration and putting up condom only signs, is officially complying with the law versus GT and LR are not with regard to allowing the girls to perform AO and BBBJ?Supplying girls with condoms. Having signs up saying condom use is mandatory. NOT having flyers in the lockers saying "against mandatory condom use". No public BBBJ. All those things make Dietzenbach more compliant. Officially. Who knows what happens behind closed doors? People playing chess. Talking. Having fully protected sex.

PussyLiccker

12-23-17, 20:28

The LR raid (or what have you) is not indicative(in certain) of this forum being the cause.

Rogue Nation

12-23-17, 21:25

Police has no interested at all to check compliance regarding the use of condoms. They have other priorities and not enough cops to focus on something that irrelevant.

Bfsie

12-23-17, 21:43

A week later you guys are still discussing this topic LOL. I am on here to check whether some members responsed my post and might just join in the discussion since I have no better thing to do tonight.

...' fantasy board'... Maybe after you have been to FKK too often, you think that everything happening in Germany is fantasy like in FKK clubs. What we are talking about is not a criminal case which need hard evidence. The german government has a big say and power to any business (including any FKK club) which requires the government license, particularly the business in sex industry which are notoriously associated with criminal activities such as [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) and don't get any public sympathy. The german government can use any dubious reasons to shut down any FKK club and they don't need hard evidence, such as catching BBBJ in act, to revoke or not renew any FKK club license. We don't need rocket scientist to figure this out and just need to see how the FKK clubs set up self-imposed BBBJ ban and kick out the WGs who violate this ban because they fear that the government would use any excuse to shut them down. If they don't fear the government might shut them down, they don't need to have self-imposed BBBJ ban because legally the clubs are not guilty for the WG's BBBJ violation.

As for a lot of the fake posts on this forum about BBBJ, in reality, it didn't and is not going to happen. Hypothetically if it happened, well, that is the ultimate price FKK clubs have to pay being in this business. As you may know, some innocent people were executed in the US in the USA Legel system.

Bfsie

12-23-17, 21:47

The LR raid (or what have you) is not indicative(in certain) of this forum being the cause.I agree with you on this one.

Member #4581

12-23-17, 22:12

That is not at all true. My proposal was about you standing at a shopping mall with signs advocation the liberalization of prostitution. It is clearly not the same as soliciting in a society where it is illegal. I didn't say you should have sex with someone at the shopping mall. Nor did I say you should have sex with the poster.

And this is not a discouragement of posters on ISG. Nor was the former post I made half a year ago that gave me a red dot. They are liberal thoughts on self censorship. You can disagree if you like, but censoring my liberal thought is just as much censorship as self censorship is. Then again, the world is unfortunately not an utopia, and if we like to have room sessions abruptly interrupted in the middle of sexual acts like at LR, then sure, its got absolutely nothing to do with postings on the world biggest prostitution forum. Absolutely. Because cops don't know about this hidden part of the internet.'BJ for 50 $?.

That's what you said. Not solicitation you say? Sure.

Members can post whatever they want to. But it is not OK to tell others "don't post xyz". Unless that xyz is against forum rules. That's my read anyway.

Cops may or may not know what goes on, may be they employ some people to read ISG all day to figure out where BBBJ is being performed (because ISG is their main source of info) and plan their raids accordingly. If that's what you choose to believe, that's your prerogative.

But statistically speaking, so far there must have been several million bjs performed so far in the last 6 months (170+ days x perhaps between 5 to 10 bjs per sex worker on average x several thousands of sex workers in the country). Again I invite you to show how many men got charged with violations. I see that the odds of being killed by a lightning are apparently 1 in 2. 3 mil. Hmm. At least, the punishment for a BBBJ violation is not death and so far even the numbers are better in favor BBBJ relative to death by lightning.

PS: RN -- Thanks for the clarification re: condoms at Dietz. helpful.

http://www.funny2.com/odds.htm

Rogue Nation

12-23-17, 22:34

The german government has a big say and power to any business (including any FKK club) which requires the government license, particularly the business in sex industry which are notoriously associated with criminal activities such as xxx and don't get any public sympathy. The german government can use any dubious reasons to shut down any FKK club and they don't need hard evidence, such as catching BBBJ in act, to revoke or not renew any FKK club license.Exactly. Many cities would like to close down all redlight activities, no matter if it is street hookers, Laufhaus or FKK clubs. Any reason given is welcome to withdraw licenses. With the new law from January 2018 there are even more regulations to be violated and possibilities to not renew licenses.

Sirioja

12-23-17, 23:36

Raid? Razzia? Or just one more registration control? GT and LR had many in 2017, should keep on next year. Some other clubs manage to avoid controls.

Citizen Kane

12-23-17, 23:43

Police has no interested at all to check compliance regarding the use of condoms. They have other priorities and not enough cops to focus on something that irrelevant.But that doesn't really square with...

Then a policewoman opened the door! Both myself and my girl couldn't hear any knock (music was loud?) and when she opened the door, my girl had her hand on my cock and strobing. The policewoman said "condom please" and then she closed the door.

Pistons

12-23-17, 23:53

'BJ for 50 $?.

That's what you said. Not solicitation you say? Sure.

Members can post whatever they want to. But it is not OK to tell others "don't post xyz". Unless that xyz is against forum rules. That's my read anyway.

Cops may or may not know what goes on, may be they employ some people to read ISG all day to figure out where BBBJ is being performed (because ISG is their main source of info) and plan their raids accordingly. If that's what you choose to believe, that's your prerogative.I know its useless to discuss this with you, but.

1. BJ for 50 $? - it could be a legislation proposal.

2. But you are just now telling me not to post xyz. I'm arguing of why someone would not post xyz for the betterment for all of us. Like Trumps media consultant telling him not to say this and that. But then Trump doesn't listen. I never said 'don't post xyz'.

3. Searching through this FKK section takes max an hour per month. Or every 2nd month maximum. It even has search functions.

Member #4581

12-24-17, 03:39

I know its useless to discuss this with you, but.

1. BJ for 50 $? - it could be a legislation proposal.

2. But you are just now telling me not to post xyz. I'm arguing of why someone would not post xyz for the betterment for all of us. Like Trumps media consultant telling him not to say this and that. But then Trump doesn't listen. I never said 'don't post xyz'.

3. Searching through this FKK section takes max an hour per month. Or every 2nd month maximum. It even has search functions.Useless indeed. It was your brilliant brainwave. You should follow through on own your idea and parade around with a placard "BJ for 50" in the local mall as you suggested; and if you get dragged in front of a judge then present your bright argument that you are just making legislative proposals. With any luck, the judge will let you walk away on grounds of insanity.

You guys just can't help yourselves. Every few weeks, something somewhere happens and your first instinct is to come running over here to ISG and demand that members should stop writing this and that. Too bad for you that moderator has a different idea.

When there are a sufficient number of charges thrown at men, and if you have any tangible evidence that ISG reports led to any of them, we can talk. Bye.

Pistons

12-24-17, 08:07

Sometimes you just don't give up I guess. Even if you are already the one parading around on this forum bragging in your little bubble. The sign was a metaphor.

I just use game theory and consider what I would have done in other peoples situations. In this case the German authority.

Pistons

12-24-17, 08:25

RogueNation: There were 900 cops at Artemis last year. As soon as a German cop hear any rumor at all regarding something related to prostitution, these guys will leave all they have in their hands and get there as soon as possible! LOL! It doesn't matter how important it is, it is naked sexy women during work. Much more interesting than some shady drug deal or some speeding on the autobahn!

Rogue Nation

12-24-17, 09:31

But that doesn't really square with...There focus was not on BBBJ. It was on papers, tax etc. That was just a side effect. Should she have said "tax papers please"?

Sirioja

12-24-17, 10:11

Useless indeed. It was your brilliant brainwave. You should follow through on own your idea and parade around with a placard "BJ for 50" in the local mall as you suggested; and if you get dragged in front of a judge then present your bright argument that you are just making legislative proposals. With any luck, the judge will let you walk away on grounds of insanity.

You guys just can't help yourselves. Every few weeks, something somewhere happens and your first instinct is to come running over here to ISG and demand that members should stop writing this and that. Too bad for you that moderator has a different idea.

When there are a sufficient number of charges thrown at men, and if you have any tangible evidence that ISG reports led to any of them, we can talk. Bye.Jnp,

There is a new law in Germany making BBBJ, AO sex, illegal and prosecuted for guys. When some guys are proud to write they got illegal sex naming the girl, they can make problems to this girl, even some clubs staff told girls they don t want complaints from clients, but how a client could go to cry to desk not getting BBBJ or AO sex which are illegal since 1st July.

AO clubs are above the law, some clubs know what to do not to be controlled, GT and LR are the most often controlled around Düsseldorf and maybe in Germany. Law and Polizei will run to get money from brothels business. YY is also often controlled, but about drug. I like the beautiful labrador.

I'm more proud to write I get all the princess beauties in any club I visit, or a 21 yo German real model escort for club rate, and get from them behavior I enjoy, rather than needing to give illegal sexual details. Every guy should know what is sex with a woman, even some prefer to speak, some about other guys, some prefer to sleep. Once more, yesterday, on my pit stop at Sharks on my drive to my beloved mountains, I got the Romanian princess I wanted, unfortunately my Romanian, very honest, mystery girl was not there, even this princess was the busiest in the afternoon when Evita had to hunt a bit, even she is more expensive than Sharks rate, even she became really expensive when she let me enjoyed some extras when she didn't want when we started foreplay, but I could drink her princess liquid and I think I will have no problem to repeat with her, but she is too expensive for a poor French like me, but she was honest to give me her rate before, so I could decide, she was not any girl, I chose her because she was the first Madi met, with enough charm of a 28 yo Romanian woman with black hair, milky skin, good body care and hygiene, tasty fluid. I was ready to jump with her, more than 2 years and half after, like I will enjoy to jump between rocks for my Christmas.

Optimist

12-24-17, 11:02

Exactly. Many cities would like to close down all redlight activities, no matter if it is street hookers, Laufhaus or FKK clubs. Any reason given is welcome to withdraw licenses. With the new law from January 2018 there are even more regulations to be violated and possibilities to not renew licenses. Yes. And there are already plenty of towns which have already made prostitution illegal within all or almost all their jurisdiction. If authorities decide to get rid of a club or practice they don't like, they have a huge number of options, and now they have even more hooks on which to hang action.

LR does not appear to be the target of any move to close it down, or enforce the provisions of the new law currently n place. Three of four raids a year can be normal.

As to the effect of writing on this forum, we can discuss until the cows come home. I hope those members who report about doing certain activities and predict no adverse effect are right. The authorities have plenty of other more relevant sources of information and hearsay. I agree with both Jnpr30 and Pistons saying members (including bores like me: my comment) should not in any way seek to stop other members posting. Tolerance is good: after all we are all on the same side as we are all customers

Happy Christmas to all (and to all members of other faiths, like me, may we all be a happy light at a dark time of the year)

May we all join together in enjoying FKK in 2018

Horny Harry

12-24-17, 12:18

Mr Ho

12-25-17, 03:00

JnI'm more proud to write I get all the princess beauties in any club I visit, or a 21 yo German real model escort for club rate, and get from them behavior I enjoy.Where do you get this German real model escort in clubs? I used to find them in various FKK, but now they are gone. Where are they Siri? LOL.

ExpatLover

12-25-17, 16:24

Where do you get this German real model escort in clubs? I used to find them in various FKK, but now they are gone. Where are they Siri? LOL.Of course they are gone, most of them don't want to be fucked 10 or 20 times a day, they are now on KM, they select their customers no need for them to work in a FKK surrounded by unfriendly Romanian girls.

Sirioja

12-26-17, 00:15

Where do you get this German real model escort in clubs? I used to find them in various FKK, but now they are gone. Where are they Siri? LOL.When most of guys are stuck to 1 club, located at the end of their garden, nobody work hard like me in FKK land, from Paris, even in Winter, even when it was snowing in Germany, 2 weeks ago, visiting from Hamburg to Italian border, so, I think I deserve beauties I find, and my way to treat them deserve to get a German escort for FKK rate, with extras for free.

I thought I was specialized in Romanian princess beauties, but at the moment, my top 4 are 3 Germans and 1 Hungarian, even I miss charm of Romanian women, one reason I went with expensive Madi 2 at Sharks on Saturday 23 , a real Romanian woman among poor casting.

Sirioja

12-26-17, 07:51

There focus was not on BBBJ. It was on papers, tax etc. That was just a side effect. Should she have said "tax papers please"?PC was unlucky, I was not when they entered in my room, to control my girl who already had her number given, but for sure, when they are 4 or 5 for control, they will only run for money from taxes. Maybe only policewoman can care about condom.

This business interest many people for money, I only spend my money, but at casino I'm sure to lose, in brothels I often win pleasure.

Mr Ho

12-26-17, 13:09

When most of guys are stuck to 1 club, located at the end of their garden, nobody work hard like me in FKK land, from Paris, even in Winter, even when it was snowing in Germany, 2 weeks ago, visiting from Hamburg to Italian border, so, I think I deserve beauties I find, and my way to treat them deserve to get a German escort for FKK rate, with extras for free.

I thought I was specialized in Romanian princess beauties, but at the moment, my top 4 are 3 Germans and 1 Hungarian, even I miss charm of Romanian women, one reason I went with expensive Madi 2 at Sharks on Saturday 23 , a real Romanian woman among poor casting.Yeah I know about FKK rally LOL.

I fly half the way around the world, but lately line up has been good enough, but more or less same in all FKK I goto.

I think I need to go into hamburg FKK, hitting all 3 main saunaclubs and FKK there.

Sirioja

12-27-17, 12:04

Yeah I know about FKK rally LOL.

I fly half the way around the world, but lately line up has been good enough, but more or less same in all FKK I goto.

I think I need to go into hamburg FKK, hitting all 3 main saunaclubs and FKK there.For German girls, I would advice GT, sometimes LR on week end, Atmos, sometimes Harmony, with Bambi sometimes on Sunday. I don t know for Babylon Hamburg.

Travelling is not all, I meant also opening eyes and brain, rather than running after others girls, and behaving to make girls will to please You. It can be really surprising sometimes, to experience how a girl will try to improve to please You. I worked for my Hungarian, I followed her when she moved, had great times with her and really enjoy her new behavior with me. When she left on holidays, I went to a small German doll, real good surprise for our first time, becoming really exceptional GFE for our second time on last Friday, but already asking: When your regular will come back? You went with another girl after me on previous Friday? She had already the answer. Like Raïssa did at World when she was my regular, she came to see me each time she finished a room, before going to her locker, and when coming back from shower, meaning I want You go only with me, not with the other one, when she knows I already have a regular, and she compete with a German real model, but she gave her best to attract me and she is so pretty little doll, but becoming a little woman in bed with me, asking for her new orgasms as she says. Really enjoyable time with her on last Friday and look forward our next time, also to learn new German words during our sex, she is so funny when she react, as she says: Now You found my button.

I always thought girls behave from how You behave with them. Treat them like women, and some will even forget about part of money, like German model. What is the best proof when a girl offers You when she could ask You more money, and return to You on next time. We get from what we are, like in real life.

PussyLiccker

12-27-17, 15:51

Is the Hungarian Kitty (who maybe at YY)? If so, she gives very good service.

Sirioja

12-27-17, 19:53

Extended services, I don t run for CIM, anal or AO, or sexual performances, are not the most interesting for me, I m more interested by the girl behavior, how she will change or adapt for me. Most of my favorites are not top sexual performers, but they play my game. My new German, blond little doll is not a hardcore PSE for sex, but a so lovely GFE trying to give her best and she succeeds, and asking for pleasure. Her improvement for our second time was really enjoyable. Same improvement for behavior for my Hungarian, the most important for me, even she has higher sexual potential, but she ask me sometimes to stop fucking, and of course I do, not to hurt her.

BigBuddy69

12-28-17, 18:11

BadinSweet

12-28-17, 18:19

BigBuddy69, what happened with Daria?

BigBuddy69

12-28-17, 18:28

She just wanted to do something of her life.

PussyLiccker

12-28-17, 18:38

Beatrice is back, new name Lydia. She's leaving tomorrow and coming back in January. She gained a little weight but still looks good. Her service stayed the same. Thanks to PL who gave good reports of her and Daria, it played a role in me choosing those girls in 2017 (January for beatrice and may for Daria) . Actually I should have listened to him before for Daria. Too bad that she won't probably come back.That's good news. I've had lots of good visits for services over last couple years, and definately feel at ease in choosing the girls at this club as I don't experience any disasters. There difference between luck and general service levels at clubs. Given my stats at this club, you don't need much luck at this club. The girls generally seem open to providing good services.

How many times have I used the word Amazing? LOL. When I say good or great, they mean something.

BigBuddy69

12-28-17, 18:47

Yes I experienced only one real dud in this club in 4 years. But I know there are some others and your reports among others are valuable to me.

PussyLiccker

12-28-17, 19:04

Buddy, your reports come off reliable. Definately the kind of reporting that provides relavent info.

We need reports like that provides insights. I can think of others that does the same. It's easy to determine what is a worthwhile report or not.

I also understand people have various ideas of what they desire for service, and they can come off a bit relative. I hope to see more honest, helpful, and informative reports that come off useful for others.

HungryStud101

12-29-17, 05:58

Yes it does. Thank you for this. Happy hobbying.

Hi.

I was merely trying to say the German state was becoming more interventionist and describe what it saw as its rationale.

I hope that clears up any misunderstanding

Sirioja

12-29-17, 11:07

BigBuddy69, what happened with Daria?Daria was led by another girl to LR on Summer 2016, girls don't find LR or Sharks or even Globe, on their own, from their deep Romania. Only a very few really come from Bucharest or Constanza cities, most from deep Romania. Since September 2016, we had plenty of time to enjoy her kindness, sweetness, passion and potential in bed, she was not always busy. She became independent at LR, she was so proud of what she did achieve at home, if it s true because we can t never know, then she was right: she is a smart girl despite some drunk nights. Anyway, if she really stop, best wishes for my best nurse. She did worth better than to compete with attraction, in this business, attraction lead my desire, but she did worth better than this. A great, honest, Romanian girl. A sweet candy, I loved her pretty face and smile, even she also showed me her tears, but for sure no arrogance from me, just a big thanks to her, we are lucky to meet girls like Daria.

I would say nearly the same for so sweet Alyssa. Ro if she really decide to retire, after some times off, but she returned.

Mr Ho

12-29-17, 23:09

For German girls, I would advice GT, sometimes LR on week end, Atmos, sometimes Harmony, with Bambi sometimes on Sunday. I don t know for Babylon Hamburg.

I always thought girls behave from how You behave with them. Treat them like women, and some will even forget about part of money, like German model. What is the best proof when a girl offers You when she could ask You more money, and return to You on next time. We get from what we are, like in real life.I hear Babylon in Hamburg is bit like Palace frankfurt and if so it should have german girls in lineup. Wow so Atmos is good for german girls.

GT I find few yes, but more in weekend? This I did not know.

I never met any german girls in living room, LR is more for younger teen looking girl mostly Romanian though.

Deep Romania is good, I like deep area girl more as long as she looks good because it must be one of the hottest girl in town we are fucking LOL.

Sirioja

12-30-17, 02:37

At LR, I had very pretty Jana. De, ex EMA Oceans. She said not kissing at Oceans, but real GFE at LR.

On October 2014, had small brunette Laura. De who moved to Samya. 18 yo in fire in bed.

Ina is now at GT, with her sister Kami. She lost weight, she is, as I said to her, superb with her new look. I could have the 2 sisters who came to caress me. From Magnum to GT, for them.

Svenja from Érythréa is also at GT, with a bit of weight.

Rogue Nation

12-30-17, 13:15

You remember well. They took off the locks and they put the signs on the door. I think there are alarm buttons in every room now.No reason to take off the locks. The law just says that it has to be possible to open the doors from inside at any time. So a lock (similar to World with a know, doesn't have to be a key) is OK.

BigBuddy69

12-30-17, 17:08

They'll renovate the club for next year so maybe they'll put back some kind of locks.

Smoke Light

12-30-17, 17:26

Mr Ho

12-31-17, 12:17

They'll renovate the club for next year so maybe they'll put back some kind of locks.Really? When is that? Is it big renovation that require closing the club or?

Sirioja

12-31-17, 19:06

No reason to take off the locks. The law just says that it has to be possible to open the doors from inside at any time. So a lock (similar to World with a know, doesn't have to be a key) is OK.If they put locks off for new law, why do You want they put them back? When you see what became LR, since April 2017, with new kind of clients at night, no lock and alarm are more safe for girls. Anyway, I don't remember locking the door before 1st July, on registration control on February, they opened our room maybe 2 or 3 times, my girl showing them her given number. I also remember Daria, on end of October 2016, mistaking for room between 12 and 21, entering the wrong room not closed while a guy was fucking his girl, she laughed so loud, when she was a bit stressed and more white face than usual, after I showed her my just operated 2 days ago belly with blood going outside because I opened a bit my fresh scar, before going to room, but she gave me a passionate night until 4 am, when staff came to ask to leave. She couldn't believe, I went for her, like this.

Except room 7 too dark, many good rooms at LR, with window, or good light. They should improve showers for us and girls, better hot water, and also for jacuzzi, and make a inside closed smoking area. What was funny during my 2 last experienced registration controls which were good for me, because my girl was very free for me, no more ashtray in lounge, girls had to go to smoke outside, in February and again in September.

Unfortunately, LR became now a Turkish club at night, if I was very weekly lucky from October 2016 to October 2017, first with Daria and then with Jeni or 2 other Romanian Eve, now my top girls are not at LR. I miss lovely LR staff, except bald fat guy on day.

Monika is still on desk. Some girls moved to GT, good for their business, as they say.

For who look for 2 sisters, Ina and Kami at GT, what a new look for face for Ina, what a body with great tits for Kami, Ina face on Kami body would be the prettiest girl in FKK land, even prettier than my German model escort, but she gave me so much of her yesterday evening.

BigBuddy69

01-01-18, 00:38

No they won't close. Maybe they'll work at night I don't know. Or they'll do it in the days when the club is closed.

Sirioja

01-01-18, 07:13

Except for Christmas and Sylvester, LR never close. Just closed from 4 am to 11 am, with some girls sleeping, not really easy to make big works. Closed smoking area would be welcome for no smoking clients or few girls health, or best days are on registration controls when no more ashtrays inside.

BigBuddy69

01-04-18, 19:51

Actually there is a police raid going on tonight and all the girls are back in civilian clothes, no more sex for now. Not a good sign. Guess it was not so bad last week after all.

Sirioja

01-04-18, 20:15

Polizei really seem to harass small LR. Not so often controls at big brother GT, but more far from Dusseldorf.

Optimist

01-04-18, 20:24

BB69. Bad luck. It seems to be common that the authorities target a club for multiple raids over a relatively short period. Does it look like the normal tax and identity checking?

Horny Harry

01-04-18, 20:29

BB69. Bad luck. It seems to be common that the authorities target a club for multiple raids over a relatively short period. Does it look like the normal tax and identity checking?Agreed, it certainly looks as if the authorities are deliberately targeting LR.

BigBuddy69

01-04-18, 20:32

It looks like all that is allowed for the rest of the night in the club is eating and drinking so for me that's not a very good sign. A guy I know is in the place, he'll send more infos but for tonight the game is over.

Optimist

01-04-18, 20:40

Polizei really seem to harass small LR. Not so often controls at big brother GT, but more far from Dusseldorf.A couple of years ago there were at least three raids on GT over two months on the few days I was there, and possibly others on days I was not there. The authorities seem to target clubs for repeated raids according to their own decision making processes.

BigBuddy69

01-05-18, 05:50

According to some guys on ijsberen (they're frequent visitors of the club), the club could be closed for at least a week. Very bad news! Some problems with the license from what I understand.

ExpatLover

01-05-18, 06:49

According to some guys on ijsberen (they're frequent visitors of the club), the club could be closed for at least a week. Very bad news! Some problems with the license from what I understand.The Polizei is starting to strictly control the registration of the girls, at Oase yesterday for example a girl whatsapp me that even the top managers are accompaing the girls to the registration office in Frankfurt, if they get a appointment even without the card they are allowed to work if not they can't enter the club anymore. ROM had only 7 girls yesterday because the girls are very busy to get register, same at World 10 girls yesterday without the card you can t enter the club. The things are changing in the FKK scene for sure, also a lot of girls left Germany but I am sure that a lot will come back in the coming months and accept to register just because to work in a FKK club is very safe and the girls have the choice of their customers, when you work in a apartment in London. Milano or Dublin, or Oslo it is very difficult to select your customer by phone, wait and see.

Ju5253

01-05-18, 07:21

According to some guys on ijsberen (they're frequent visitors of the club), the club could be closed for at least a week. Very bad news! Some problems with the license from what I understand.If that happens, it is a very clear failure of the management. The law is more than 1.5 years old, so the management had a lot of time to meet the requirements. Other clubs have managed that with the left hand.

Should Living Room be closed for more than 1 week, should further controls take place, then this could mean the end for the club.

Sirioja

01-05-18, 07:38

According to some guys on ijsberen (they're frequent visitors of the club), the club could be closed for at least a week. Very bad news! Some problems with the license from what I understand.No problem at GT, but problems at LR? With same boss?

This time, it didn't seem to be only a registration control like had many in 2017, if girls put street clothes.

Good luck to my beloved LR, even I moved, I can't forget. Great staff.

Some clubs seem to manage to avoid controls.

Rogue Nation

01-05-18, 08:36

Actually there is a police raid going on tonight and all the girls are back in civilian clothes, no more sex for now. Not a good sign. Guess it was not so bad last week after all.Maybe they were emphasizing their opposition to the new law, especially the BBBJ ban, a bit to aggressively and openly. Maybe it would have been wiser to keep it (wait, funny) a bit more covered. Let's see how the situation develops.

Fisher88

01-05-18, 12:16

Need to consider cancelling my hotel in Kaarst for next weekend. Any updates are greatly appreciated.

Mr Ho

01-05-18, 13:38

Actually there is a police raid going on tonight and all the girls are back in civilian clothes, no more sex for now. Not a good sign. Guess it was not so bad last week after allPolice men are jealous we are getting raid, Police women are threaten that their husbands may go to FKK LOL.

What is going on here with these raids.

YY can be our next destination for secure mongering?

BigBuddy69

01-05-18, 17:02

According to the admin of ijsberen, the club opened today. Maybe there was too much drama after all.

Optimist

01-05-18, 18:01

The problem we have is that the authorities almost never explain why they target a particular club. The ostensible reasons may or may not relate to the real reasons.

It could be just normal raids, or it could be there is something about LR the authorities don't like, as Rogue Nation suggests.

The less the authorities have at their disposal the better.

All we can do is carry on as normal and see how things pan out.

McAdonis

01-06-18, 01:55

According to some reports on Dutch forum, LR was open this afternoon.

Sirioja

01-06-18, 07:48

Maybe they were emphasizing their opposition to the new law, especially the BBBJ ban, a bit to aggressively and openly. Maybe it would have been wiser to keep it (wait, funny) a bit more covered. Let's see how the situation develops.Information about law, part 32 is written in room, like at GT.

I don't know for 2018 , but LR had many girls who have Swiss level: Claudia, Antonella has potential, Daria, Jeni. Ro, Jana. De ex Oceans for our single room when she said not kissing at Oceans, and my weekly Eve. Lily was also high level for sex. Even I didn't repeat but Raluka made me dream with so sporty body, her so muscled legs were so heavy to hold for DATY, a real woman vagina on my way back from my last Summer climbing. Also sweet, passionate little mum, Eli. Had really weekly great times at small LR from September 2016 to October 2017, enjoying hot chocolate, cacao as they say. About 50 1 h30 rooms with only 1 girl for about 6 months working for her, and we could have many more if she was really what she claimed to be when she started, but real prostitute behavior and lies killed my desire, I m more attracted by elegance for behavior.

Anyway, Danke and best wishes for little beloved LR.

BigBuddy69

01-06-18, 08:26

Yes but according to a french guy I know, it was closed. He met the cook, the manager and they told him that the club was closed for renovation until Monday. I don't really know what to believe. I know the guy, I met him several times, but the admin of FC and ijsberen confirmed that the club opened yesterday.

ExpatLover

01-06-18, 08:31

Police men are jealous we are getting raid, Police women are threaten that their husbands may go to FKK LOL.

What is going on here with these raids.

YY can be our next destination for secure mongering?If you have you have a valid passport or IC, there will be no problem, I was once controlled at World several years back no problem except lost of several hours.

Germano123

01-06-18, 08:46

Sirioja

01-06-18, 09:55

Just call LR to know if open or not?

At the moment, around Nordpark for my German model jewel on Thursday night and yesterday, getting her only for me, cancelling her other appointments. Not the best for fashion even beautiful hands nails, but for sure the best in bed, tenderness with chicken skin and cyprine all along, full erogene body and eyes saying: love me. I just miss a bit of some of my Romanian princesses charm.

Horny Harry

01-06-18, 12:00

According to some reports on Dutch forum, LR was open this afternoon.

Yes but according to a french guy I know, it was closed. He met the cook, the manager and they told him that the club was closed for renovation until Monday. I don't really know what to believe.So far I have not seen any hard evidence of people posting that LR indeed was open for regular business and that they visited yesterday.

Are those Dutch sites really discussion forums, or are they glorified advertising platforms controlled by club management?

Vito Corleone

01-06-18, 12:48

I heard the authorities have been targeting LR because they show 2nd division German soccer & not the giant slalom & Nordic combined like GT.

Sirioja

01-06-18, 18:50

What is going on here? Nobody knows nothing. I was the last night and also today in front of LR and I heard nothing and saw nothing of a raid. But the days after new years eve there is always less moving, less people that spend their money, and that is in the whole city, people have spent a lot the last weeks.No Polizei control on Thursday 4 late afternoon?

Good if small LR still opened.

Last Winter, I discovered my Eve on 29 December with 2 rooms, and confirmed with her on 7 January with 2 rooms, thanks to her friend Ariana now at YY for organizing our appointment, just before she returned home. Great times with a fresh and elegant at this time, girl. Later, when she returned, she improved her vagina potential.

Pistons

01-07-18, 00:43

I heard the authorities have been targeting LR because they show 2nd division German soccer & not the giant slalom & Nordic combined like GT.Serves them well! Frenzy Eric and Panty Raw are far more hardcore!

Ju5253

01-07-18, 08:10

No Polizei control on Thursday 4 late afternoon?

Good if small LR still opened.

Last Winter, I discovered my Eve on 29 December with 2 rooms, and confirmed with her on 7 January with 2 rooms, thanks to her friend Ariana now at YY for organizing our appointment, just before she returned home. Great times with a fresh and elegant at this time, girl. Later, when she returned, she improved her vagina potential.What astonishes me the most:

Obviously, the management of the Living Room is not able to make a clear and clarifying statement on the situation on its own website. http://www.fkk-livingroom.de/.

That would certainly have significantly reduced the uncertainty among the customers who wanted to visit the LR. Also with me.

Pistons

01-07-18, 17:30

Not to mention ski jumping where Andreas Wank is still hitting it!

Pistons

01-07-18, 17:43

The danger should be all gone now casting skiing on TV at one of these mens spa's, as Chmelar already retired:

https://youtu.be/jl1Zfz-Widc

Sirioja

01-07-18, 18:00

What astonishes me the most:

Obviously, the management of the Living Room is not able to make a clear and clarifying statement on the situation on its own website. http://www.fkk-livingroom.de/.

That would certainly have significantly reduced the uncertainty among the customers who wanted to visit the LR. Also with me.I don't think LR ask polizei to be controlled so often now, or maybe they want to be closed to make renovation works?

Before, there were always registration controls for girls, but about each 4 or 6 months, now much more often, and registration law only works since 1st January.

I m surprised GT management know how to manage for Bruggen, but same management don t seem to know for LR? When it s the highest level very close to Düsseldorf, compare to Turkish DV, Magnum, Oceans, Aca, and many Turkish now go to LR at night.

I can just wish good luck to LR. At least, desk is honest to answer when You call, which girls are working, so we can know if it worth the visit before paying entry 60 and being disappointed by casting.

January like orthodox Easter and August are usually not best times for casting. Better to know some girls at these times, but can call desk at LR, same for GT. Not the same at Oase or Sharks.

Rogue Nation

01-07-18, 18:10

Sirioja

01-07-18, 19:58

The danger should be all gone now casting skiing on TV at one of these mens spa's, as Chmelar already retired:

https://youtu.be/jl1Zfz-WidcMaria Riesch was the German superstar who retired not long ago, Fanny Chmelar was only quite average in Worldcup. Now Viky Rebensburg can be sometimes the best. Also sisters Duerr, Christina Geiger. For men: Ferstl, Strasser, Dressen, Sanders, when Felix, not the cat, is off for a knee. But bald guy working on day at LR is too fat to enjoy ski, for skiing, need legs and muscled belly to correct balance.

Ju5253

01-07-18, 20:43

You will never ever find a statement on a club's website about a raid or the real reason for closure.It was not clear if living room was closed, how long or maybe open.

A clear statement on this. And only. Would have possibly brought back men in the club.

Sirioja

01-08-18, 01:41

It was not clear if living room was closed, how long or maybe open.

A clear statement on this. And only. Would have possibly brought back men in the club.Call, they will answer, LR desk is honest.

Sirioja

01-09-18, 09:08

Information about law, part 32 is written in room, like at GT.

I don't know for 2018 , but LR had many girls who have Swiss level: Claudia, Antonella has potential, Daria, Jeni. Ro, Jana. De ex Oceans for our single room when she said not kissing at Oceans, and my weekly Eve. Lily was also high level for sex. Even I didn't repeat but Raluka made me dream with so sporty body, her so muscled legs were so heavy to hold for DATY, a real woman vagina on my way back from my last Summer climbing. Also sweet, passionate little mum, Eli. Had really weekly great times at small LR from September 2016 to October 2017, enjoying hot chocolate, cacao as they say.Shame on me I forgot so sweet and lovely, always smiling Alyssa. Like Daria, both are kindness and tenderness some Romanian girls have and can give you, what I love with some Romanian girls, why they become my favorites. Unfortunately, I was not able to manage on beginning of September when I returned with my Eve, because better for my mind to go with only 1 favorite, but Alyssa was clever enough to understand, but still staying lovely. For Daria, kindness and generosity really don't need to compete with attraction which is only a illusion. Never change, great girl.

Mr Ho

01-09-18, 11:57

I don't think LR ask polizei to be controlled so often now, or maybe they want to be closed to make renovation works?

Before, there were always registration controls for girls, but about each 4 or 6 months, now much more often, and registration law only works since 1st January.

I m surprised GT management know how to manage for Bruggen, but same management don t seem to know for LR? When it s the highest level very close to Dsseldorf, compare to Turkish DV, Magnum, Oceans, Aca, and many Turkish now go to LR at night.

I can just wish good luck to LR. At least, desk is honest to answer when You call, which girls are working, so we can know if it worth the visit before paying entry 60 and being disappointed by casting.

January like orthodox Easter and August are usually not best times for casting. Better to know some girls at these times, but can call desk at LR, same for GT. Not the same at Oase or Sharks.I never experienced police control in any FKK, but once in Artemis in winter. There was false fire alarm and police and fire men came, took everyone out in cold in car park. We waited there for over one hour till we are back in again. Some girls just had towel in middle of winter LOL.

Victoria Show

01-09-18, 17:32

It was not clear if living room was closed, how long or maybe open.

A clear statement on this. And only. Would have possibly brought back men in the club.Anybody knows if LR has back to business or not? Is it still closed? I am not in Germany nor can speak German so I can not make the call.

Pistons

01-09-18, 18:01

Some girls just had towel in middle of winter LOL.And Mr. Ho didn't suggest holding around to keep warmth. Jeez! Even penguins are smarter than us human.

Victoria Show

01-09-18, 21:11

Is there anyone know if the club LR has re-opened yet? I can not call them since I am not currently in Germany and do not speak German.

Thank you.

Apple777

01-10-18, 00:59

Anybody know where Jenny went or what she's doing now? The Rom Jenny, blond that started with long hair but she ended up cutting it very short.

Sirioja

01-10-18, 01:23

Is there anyone know if the club LR has re-opened yet? I can not call them since I am not currently in Germany and do not speak German.

Thank you.If You ever visited LR, You should know model Monika. Cz who made dream so many guys at GT, working now on LR desk, speaks English. LR desk speak english. No reason for me to return to LR at the moment, because no more elegant with charm favorite, even I will miss Daria and Alyssa, but if I decide to visit, even not speaking more than 10 German words, but I improve with my lovely potatoes, even with my English school level, I would call Monika to say to her I love her, in English, because she doesn't speak much french.

BigBuddy69

01-10-18, 06:44

Mr Ho

01-10-18, 06:59

And Mr. Ho didn't suggest holding around to keep warmth. Jeez! Even penguins are smarter than us human.I stayed by the door where it is relatively warm LOL.

It was in 2015 I think.

Sirioja

01-10-18, 07:26

Anybody know where Jenny went or what she's doing now? The Rom Jenny, blond that started with long hair but she ended up cutting it very short.She didn't stay for long when she came back with short hair. Maybe she will come back again, with long hair. High sexual performer. I remember my friend telling me he was said she dominates guys, not my experiences even after our 3 first minutes, she likes to play queen with king.

She was like was some LR girls level.

ExpatLover

01-10-18, 08:36

Jenny: I heard she found a sugar daddy. Gossip or reality?

At victoria: the club is opened according to ijsberen but is running very slow. There is a picture of one of the renovated on some board, honestly I can't see the difference.Many girls are looking for a sugar daddy specially when they are around 27 to 30 years old and feel that the business is less easily going and that they get bored and tired to be fucked 10 or more times every day. Advice kindly all of us to keep the fingers away from this kind of relation or at least to spend many times with her outside the clubs to be sure about your choice, and probably you will be surprised how it is boring to be with a girl who spend so many years as a prostitutes. Most of them have no point of interest except their outlook and the clothes, bags shoes etc. When they have spent several years in a club or apartment they mostly have learned nothing except sucking may be, their mental or intellectual structure is often badly damage probably even before that is why they accept to be a prostitute sometimes with pimps etc. All this can explain why so many of us met girls who explained that they will open a business in Roumania and several months later they are back in the club, they are unfortunately no more able to adapt to the real life, it is a real pity.

BigBuddy69

01-10-18, 18:15

Sorry to interrupt all those debates but I'm going to make a report about a recent visit. I came two days between Christmas and New Year. And I can confirm that yes, the LU is weak during those days. Usually at 2 pm, about two thirds of the girls are in the club, this time maybe they were ten, or fifteen. More german girls than usual since they live here. Sarah the tatooed girl was here, Melica the porno one and another one named Lea I think. A friend came with me the first day, I wanted him to come with me for a while but it was not the best period. He joked, saying that the LU was worse than in PSR. I never saw so much empty stools! It was the first time in a while that there was no girl in the club that I fucked before. He picked Sarah the german tattooed girl and since I had read on another board that Beatrice had returned, I decided to wait. Some girls tried their luck, Ruby and Narcissa for example but I declined (I had doubts about Narcissa). When Beatrice, now Lyidia, came at 4 pm, I let my friend alone and joined her on the couch. She told me that she had taken a break, staying home with her mother. In the room the BJ was better than what I remembered, very soft and wet. Kissing was a little strange, she keeps her eyes open and just put her tongue out. The sex was good but she asked me to go slowly on her. That's strange, in January I could go all guns blazing. Her body changed a little bit since January. Still, I had a good time with her. One hour.

I tried to catch Ruby after but she was nowhere to be found so I picked Amalia. Not my best choice, she comes from Frankfurt (Sharks / Oase I think), slim, 22 or 23, rather small, lots of tattoos: a feather turning into birds, a crown, flowers, etc. The kissing was shallow, the BJ was light and she refused to ride me CG. In missionary, I had the feeling I was going to tear her apart so I gave up before 30 minutes. Rather friendly, not pushy but the service is not on par. Maybe it's a good service for Oase or Sharks but not in LR. Around 30 girls in the evening when I left.

I came back the following day, still not so many girls but more men! At some point there were maybe 30 men and 3 girls in the big room! This time I caught Ruby. She's 24, romanian but has been living in Germany for a while, did some other clubs. Big tattoos: a face, flowers and a clock on one arm, a compass and other flowers on the opposite leg. And some other ones plus a piercing in the tongue (good for BJ) and in the belly button. Deep kisisng! Rather porny in the room, lots of engagement. She lacks some stamina but made me come in less than 30 minutes. We finished with a massage. I relaxed for a while then I picked her again. Long cuddling in the sofa then another round in the room. Usually I'm more into sweeter girls but she really gave me a good time. Again 30 minutes.

Beatrice / Lydia and Ruby intend to be in LR this year so I'll met them again.