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NoTaWorry
11-15-16, 15:37
Could someone please refresh my memory so I can plan accordingly and avoid. Thank you kindly. Also, any new (last 6 months or so) entry specials for Oase and Sharks? Much obliged. Cheers!

Craiova
11-15-16, 15:41
Could someone please refresh my memory so I can plan accordingly and avoid. Thank you kindly. Also, any new (last 6 months or so) entry specials for Oase and Sharks?!Lingerie day Sharks Tuesday and Oase Thursday.

And for Oase entry special just read last page at Oase thread.

Trans Atlantic
11-17-16, 01:34
Canada has a huge escort scene in Toronto and Montreal and with the low Canadian dollar should always be considered. The girls are pretty but it's a crap shoot since no face pics. If you want details PM me Solo.

I think we lost an ISG member, TransAtlantic, to the Canadian scene. England with weekend trips to Germany is always a good option though. Personally I would convince them that all working girls in Thailand speak English.

Still here but not logging in as often. Got a trip to Germany in May. Maybe one in Feb. But you are right. Been flying into Montreal ever 6-8 weeks. Getting my fill of French cuisine and 18-25 yo Québécois . Also much easier to get to than Germany.


I know it seems to be a strange question.

I'm from Taiwan. As you can see, my English proficiency is fine.

However, my company wants me to have a 2-month living experience in an English-speaking country.

And by their definition, English-speaking countries include the US, Canada, the UK, Australia, and New Zealand.

I am actually thinking about going to the UK, even if there is nothing fun to do there, I can easily fly to Germany for the real FKK clubs after that. LOL.

I would vote for U.K. and take a look at the escort and massage parlour scene in Manchester and it also allows you to take a quick flight to Germany.

Don't come to the US.

TommyPattoes
11-18-16, 00:16
Hi,

I will be in Frankfurt for a layover on an upcoming Saturday between 10-21. I would like to visit either Oase or Sharks. Since they are far from the airport I imagine I could get to whichever FKK by 12 and would need to leave by 19 at the latest.

So, which FKK, Oase or Sharks, would be the best choice for the time I have? I am looking for optics, quantity, and a place to sleep off some jet lag.

Sirioja
11-18-16, 11:41
Oase have a room to sleep. Both with Sharks are not more than 1 hour from airport.

UShobbyist
11-18-16, 21:59
Hi,

I will be in Frankfurt for a layover on an upcoming Saturday between 10-21. I would like to visit either Oase or Sharks. Since they are far from the airport I imagine I could get to whichever FKK by 12 and would need to leave by 19 at the latest.

So, which FKK, Oase or Sharks, would be the best choice for the time I have? I am looking for optics, quantity, and a place to sleep off some jet lag.For the time being, Sharks has more girls on Saturday.

Bijou
11-25-16, 20:32
So, I've been reading the FKK forums for my first upcoming FKK visits during overnight layovers in Frankfurt. After reading about the Frankfurt area 5 (World, Sharks, Oase, Mainhattan, Palace), I've decided to visit Oase on a Tuesday and Sharks a week later on Wednesday on my return leg (although this would be a few days right before Christmas).

I realize that there are names of the girls that are "recommended" and ones of those to stay away from, but I'm a big believer of YMMV, so I'm not going to try to locate any girls at Oase or Sharks by name. I like to build little chemistry with a potential girl, but on the other hand, if things go sour, I'm not one to just let it go and reinforce bad behavior. So, this brings up the following questions:

1. Do girls typically accept drinks at the FKKs and if so, are the girls' drinks same or different prices than those of customers?

2. Are you suppose to pay the girl right when you finish in the room and so need a way to carry the money with you, or do you go to your locker after you finish and get the money to pay the girl? If you are suppose to carry the money with you while wearing a towel or robe, how do others recommend to do this securely? Are you allowed to have a fanny pak with you outside of the locker rooms?

3. In order to avoid a girl terminating a session earlier than the allotted time, would you recommend taking a smartphone and start the timer and starting it when the session starts, or just take my chances?

4. What is the best way to handle a situation in which a girl agrees to certain conditions prior to a session and then tries to upsell those same conditions or not do what what was agreed to?

Thanks in advance.

Optimist
11-25-16, 23:19
2. Go to locker, although you can pay on room (is unusual).

3. Setting smartphone will not create a good atmosphere. It is useful to wear a watch and to be seen giving it a quick look at the start.

4 Depends on scale of the misselling. If a girl is acting sharkish you have two options, either finish immediately and be seen to be unhappy with her, or if really serious, complain to reception, but this really is an extreme option.

In general I avoid any pre room agreements as this dampens the spirit and creates an overt transactional relationship. I go by my instinct. I like girls to kiss and have orgasms, but passion does not come to order.

Enjoy.

ExpatLover
11-26-16, 20:22
So, I've been reading the FKK forums for my first upcoming FKK visits during overnight layovers in Frankfurt. After reading about the Frankfurt area 5 (World, Sharks, Oase, Mainhattan, Palace), I've decided to visit Oase on a Tuesday and Sharks a week later on Wednesday on my return leg (although this would be a few days right before Christmas).

I realize that there are names of the girls that are "recommended" and ones of those to stay away from, but I'm a big believer of YMMV, so I'm not going to try to locate any girls at Oase or Sharks by name. I like to build little chemistry with a potential girl, but on the other hand, if things go sour, I'm not one to just let it go and reinforce bad behavior. So, this brings up the following questions:

1. Do girls typically accept drinks at the FKKs and if so, are the girls' drinks same or different prices than those of customers?.The girls usually don't drink alcohol and so you will not have to pay for it, you are here to enjoy sex not to get drunk, why the time is so important for you, if you were happy with the girl you already achieve what you were expecting even they are 5 minutes remaining what is the issue to close the session in a very positive mindset? I never pay for the time but for the result and my pleasure.

Hessen Bub
11-27-16, 02:53
even they are 5 minutes remaining what is the issue to close the session in a very positive mindset? I never pay for the time but for the result and my pleasure.5 remaining minutes aren't an issue. 5 minutes over the time might be. You pay for the time, not the result, it doesn't matter if you finish or not, if you had pleasure or not, you pay. If you are at 35 min the girl might demand another 50€. So keep an eye on the watch if you don't know the girl.

HB.

Member #4585
11-27-16, 21:49
Reading all these tourists reports here lately really is taking away any inkling I might have to visit Hessen from time to time.So the issue is how important is the wallet of a tourist compared to a local.

Taking Yama Yama's 9 day epic reports, we can gleam an entry expenditure maybe around 539 euros for the 10 clubs he visited over 9 days and expenses on girls for services plus tips of 4,635 euros. At the Hessen rate of 50 per half hour then YamaYama could have taken 92 different girls (round downing the 0. 7) and had 92 sessions covering 46 hours of room time. This assumes no extras and no extended time. This takes careful management and prowess for those who may need extra time to get their motor running.

If we assume a local goes to a club pays an entrance fee and fucks one girl for a 50 euro note making sure he spends one hour chatting to the girl at leisure, tries for some couch action then ensures he maxes out the 30 minutes then for all that time devoted to a regular local the working girl has still only earned 50 euros for maybe 1. 5 hours of time with a local. As we know many of the old and fat as Sirioja likes to call them do not even do sessions with girls let alone a measly 50 euros session. So the run rate for locals is even lower than 50 euros for each local.

Comparing this example of a local, the reality is that YamaYama spends over 10 times what this local spends on a girl in a day. (maths is 92.7 possible sessions divided by 9 days is 10.3 per day). This makes economically, YamaYama's wallet 10 times more valuable than the regular locals when he is in the club.

To put it another way, the maths is YamaYama spends 515 euro a day on girls on average so that works out at 10 possible sessions at Hessen prices whereas a local will hardly spend 50 euros on a girl where she really has to work hard for the money to please the local. So that makes YamaYama more attractive in terms of wallet who is able to spend than a local who maxes out their wallet at 50 euros. So it takes 10 locals to equalize with one tourist like YamaYama.

So one can see why some girls focus on cultivating the tourists (even Siroja) giving them their A game or focus on being Asian Killers going after the Mr Hos of this world as desirable mongers.

I can understand your frustration for staying away from Hessen. Just a theory.

Member #4581
11-27-16, 23:11
In reality, if there is a person more obnoxious than the skanky scamming girls at these clubs, it is the ISG members cursing the tourists and acting like he alone sets service standards. As if the clubs are their personal fiefdom and wishing that the clubs were walled off from tourists a la modern day ISG Trumpista. Well, that would never solve their problem anyway, because in the absence of these well spending generous tourists, many of these clubs would be populated only with a hundred Sylvanas. What else has seen no inflation in Europe in ten years? Seen from my POV, I see everything else in Europe outrageously expensive. From the tiny hotel rooms to the rough toilet paper to wipe your ass, to shopping for clothes, electronics, perfumes, food and everything else. I saw this FC Barcelona T shirt on sale for 60 Euros all over Barcelona last week and bought the same for 10 dollars today at Tijuana MAxx. Should I curse the idiotic Europeans for being brain dead and spending like fools on everything and anything? No, because people have freedom to do with their money as they please.

From my PoV, the only thing that seems cheap in Europe compared to what I get here legally is paid sex with dozens of good looking girls in a safe environment like FKK. That, and tons of sightseeing of centuries old artifacts of course.

Hessen Bub
11-28-16, 03:12
That's just one possibility. There's other tourists spending less than YY and there's locals spending a lot more than 50 per visit. It's not only about how much you spend, it's also about what kind of service you accept. Here's where tourists are having a bad influence.

Out of my few visits to clubs I guess I managed to spend 50€ only maybe two or three times.

HB.

Optimist
11-28-16, 09:49
That's just one possibility. There's other tourists spending less than YY and there's locals spending a lot more than 50 per visit. It's not only about how much you spend, it's also about what kind of service you accept. Here's where tourists are having a bad influence.

Out of my few visits to clubs I guess I managed to spend 50 only maybe two or three times.

HB.+1. This I really think. No tourist should ever accept different service to the local people (setting aside language and time constraints).

ExpatLover
11-28-16, 12:26
5 remaining minutes aren't an issue. 5 minutes over the time might be. You pay for the time, not the result, it doesn't matter if you finish or not, if you had pleasure or not, you pay. If you are at 35 min the girl might demand another 50. So keep an eye on the watch if you don't know the girl.

HB.Sorry Hessen Bub we will never be on the same line, I was at World this Saturday had very very good sessions spent 900 euros (a lot of money but small compared to Escort) and met great girls, open clean, cool etc. Why should I focus on the time I got more than I wanted.

Hessen Bub
11-28-16, 14:38
wishing that the clubs were walled off from tourists a la modern day ISG Trumpista. Well, that would never solve their problem anyway, because in the absence of these well spending generous tourists, many of these clubs would be populated only with a hundred Sylvanas. Nope. There's plenty of Ro and Bu girls. For them 50€ I still a lot of money. Less tourists = better service. Look at the clueless Messe visitors spending way too much for a standard session. Less tourists = less clubs, maybe. Wouldn't mind that.

Look at inflation in Germany in total over the last 15 years, not at isolated good like PaySex.

HB.

Member #4581
11-28-16, 16:00
Nope. There's plenty of Ro and Bu girls. For them 50 I still a lot of money. Less tourists = better service. Look at the clueless Messe visitors spending way too much for a standard session. Less tourists = less clubs, maybe. Wouldn't mind that.

Look at inflation in Germany in total over the last 15 years, not at isolated good like PaySex.

HB.Just to clarify, my comment was not directed at you, and you are generally very helpful and I have not seen you taking "gratuitous" and cheap shots at "tourists", and you are a true local anyway. You do have a different opinion than mine which is fine. I guess my view is closer to that of Craiova, in that markets work and there is not much to prevent them from working.

We went through the less tourists equals better service last week; obviously, there is no empirical way to prove it. You can show that service was better in years past, although you have also said elsewhere there have been scammers and upsellers even a decade ago. There are clubs today with a lot less tourist traffic, but service levels (to the extent they can be even measured objectively and where most people agree about such things) seem to follow fluctuate randomly and not strictly correlated to the amount of tourist traffic in a linear manner. This is based just on my read of what people say on ISG. And there is no way to know if service levels, if they did indeed decline, did so due to more tourist traffic or because prices stayed stagnant in a world of natural inflation.

As for Messe visitors, I think the analogy is to price gouging, like when merchants hike prices of simple staples to ridiculous amounts during natural calamities like floods, etc. It is not just a tourist thing. Does a local obtain a cheaper price than a tourist on messe nights? I am not talking about tourists who simply do not know the price structure and pay 200 for a BBBJ. Such people can be scammed anytime, and not just on messe nights.

Pistons
11-28-16, 21:00
Comparing this example of a local, the reality is that YamaYama spends over 10 times what this local spends on a girl in a day. (maths is 92.7 possible sessions divided by 9 days is 10.3 per day). This makes economically, YamaYama's wallet 10 times more valuable than the regular locals when he is in the club.Obviously, but still lots of girls like to screw over some of these tourists. Not considering the chances of these high value tourists returning in 6 or even 12 months.

Member #4585
11-28-16, 21:37
it is the ISG members cursing the tourists and acting like he alone sets service standards. As if the clubs are their personal fiefdom and wishing that the clubs were walled off from tourists a la modern day ISG Trumpista. Well, that would never solve their problem anyway, because in the absence of these well spending generous tourists, many of these clubs would be populated only with a hundred Sylvanas.I agree that the Tourists are what keeping some of these clubs going hence clubs like Oase focusing on foreign travelers. Notice how many websites are in both English and German and increasingly also in other languages. Then you have the plethora of Asian sex travel forums like ISG as well as blogs by Asian customers of the FKKs spreading the news.

The other thing to note is that there are a lot of tourists who are visiting the clubs over 100 times a year. This number of club visits is more than many locals would make. Sirioja is a case in point since he claims to make over 100 club visits annually. Then I know for sure German tourists from outside of Hessen who travel to Hessen for the FKK clubs having the same logistical issues as Tourists from France, Netherlands, Belgium or Norway.

Hessen Bub
11-29-16, 02:04
Sorry Hessen Bub we will never be on the same line, I was at World this Saturday had very very good sessions spent 900 euros (a lot of money but small compared to Escort) and met great girls, open clean, cool etc. Why should I focus on the time I got more than I wanted.Good for you. But doesn't apply for a newbie with a focus on 30 min sessions. That's all I stated. You do whatever you like.

HB.

Solo Traveler
12-20-16, 14:29
Just curious.

Are there any one who goes to FKK clubs just to relax without taking any girls to the room?

If a monger goes to FKK clubs and simply watch the naked girls as if it is a free naked show, will the monger be blacklisted by the club or the girls?

He pays the entrance fee only and never takes any girls to the room.

Will he be blacklisted by the club or the girls?

Jmioffe
12-20-16, 22:20
It's fine. You won't be blacklisted. Plenty of guys do it. Some girls won't like it, but it's fine.

I've seen locals come for the food and company, just to watch football. Heck, I met a couple where the woman came just to get a massage!

I've met a North American who was too shy or prudish to fuck and just sat in a corner and stared at the girls. He was kind of a dork. The girls eventually learned to ignore him.

I've been at a club a few times, too spent from a trip the day before, and left without going to a room with anyone.


Just curious.

Are there any one who goes to FKK clubs just to relax without taking any girls to the room?

If a monger goes to FKK clubs and simply watch the naked girls as if it is a free naked show, will the monger be blacklisted by the club or the girls?

He pays the entrance fee only and never takes any girls to the room.

Will he be blacklisted by the club or the girls?

PussyLiccker
12-20-16, 22:32
Solo, it's simple. If you are new, more girls will come up to you (since they have not seen your before) or give you some signals from a distance. Depending on the club different degrees. After a few attempts (depending on the girl how many attemps) they will just give up (since there are many other punters around, why waste their time keep going after no prospects?) except the persistent ones or new girls that has not seen you. And if the girls notice you don't room on many visits, they'the probably figure you won't room on the next so no point in putting in further efforts.

And then, if you decide on a visit you'the like to session, find a girl, and session. She may be thrilled you popped the cherry on her out of all the girls after not sessioning any girl. LOL.

UShobbyist
12-20-16, 22:42
Just curious.

Are there any one who goes to FKK clubs just to relax without taking any girls to the room?

More than 50% of German locals did exactly what you said on every Sunday in FKK Sharks in the summer of 2016.

Carpe Viam
12-20-16, 23:37
One guy who had only one room in his 15 hours stay was blacklisted last month.


Just curious.

Are there any one who goes to FKK clubs just to relax without taking any girls to the room?

If a monger goes to FKK clubs and simply watch the naked girls as if it is a free naked show, will the monger be blacklisted by the club or the girls?

He pays the entrance fee only and never takes any girls to the room.

Will he be blacklisted by the club or the girls?

Ableyone
12-21-16, 00:05
Are there any one who goes to FKK clubs just to relax without taking any girls to the room?Shed loads of them at Oceans on a Saturday night.

Solo Traveler
12-22-16, 18:10
Okay. I have one more serious question here.

Please do not joke around.

As a non-EU passport holder, every time I fly to Germany, I will be asked some questions by the immigration officer.

"What is your purpose of visiting Germany?

Before, I never talked about my purpose of visiting FKK clubs or any P4P sex venues.

I just said "I come to Germany for vacation. I will visit Hesse, NRW, etc to enjoy the scenery and food."

However, next time, I do not want to drain my brain and make up stories about this.

Can I just say honestly "I come to Germany to visit the FKK clubs. I will go to clubs in Hesse, NRW, etc?"

As far as I know, FKK clubs are totally legal in Germany. Visiting a FKK club is like visiting a gym or a restaurant for Germany men. It is a normal and acceptable behavior. Am I right?

Sirioja
12-22-16, 18:29
Just curious.

Are there any one who goes to FKK clubs just to relax without taking any girls to the room?

If a monger goes to FKK clubs and simply watch the naked girls as if it is a free naked show, will the monger be blacklisted by the club or the girls?

He pays the entrance fee only and never takes any girls to the room.

Will he be blacklisted by the club or the girls?Many locals go to World, or Sharks on Wednesday or Sunday, only to relax, eat, drink, chat, have sauna, look at girls, but don't go to room. Clubs get their entry rate and some girls get so few business to pay entry around 100. At the moment, most of girls look for business.

Pistons
12-23-16, 00:12
Shed loads of them at Oceans on a Saturday night.Or at Sharks on a Sunday. Especially if the weather is fine.

Derk
12-23-16, 01:12
Okay. I have one more serious question here.

Please do not joke around.

As a non-EU passport holder, every time I fly to Germany, I will be asked some questions by the immigration officer.

"What is your purpose of visiting Germany?

Before, I never talked about my purpose of visiting FKK clubs or any P4P sex venues.

I just said "I come to Germany for vacation. I will visit Hesse, NRW, etc to enjoy the scenery and food."

However, next time, I do not want to drain my brain and make up stories about this.

Can I just say honestly "I come to Germany to visit the FKK clubs. I will go to clubs in Hesse, NRW, etc?"

As far as I know, FKK clubs are totally legal in Germany. Visiting a FKK club is like visiting a gym or a restaurant for Germany men. It is a normal and acceptable behavior. Am I right?Certainly you could be totally honest and say "I'm here to have sex at the famous FKK clubs" but then do you want to open that can of worms? While it is totally legal and there are plenty of clubs to prove the point why share this? The reason I say this is because it's more about the hobby and who accepts it. If you get the wrong officer he might think you're being wise or even judge you. Stick with "I'm here to visit and see the sites" which is true and factual. Be more like a lawyer and word it so it's the truth but can mean many things. Just my 2 cents.

As far as just going to the clubs to look and relax and "Not going to the room". There are indeed guys who do this, they may just not see something they like. You pay an entrance fee and there is no rule you must do a gal. While there was a time over a decade ago I visited a club and did not see anything I liked. When leaving the door gal charged me a fee for not going to the room, I did not want to argue the point. I paid. However since then almost all the clubs I frequent don't do this. Hey plenty of guys go to strip clubs with no intent on having sex. Now that is insane.

Jmioffe
12-23-16, 01:24
One guy who had only one room in his 15 hours stay was blacklisted last month.How did this happen? Did the girls complain or did the club notice?

Wolvenvacht
12-23-16, 08:16
Okay. I have one more serious question here.

Please do not joke around.

As a non-EU passport holder, every time I fly to Germany, I will be asked some questions by the immigration officer.

"What is your purpose of visiting Germany?

Before, I never talked about my purpose of visiting FKK clubs or any P4P sex venues.

I just said "I come to Germany for vacation. I will visit Hesse, NRW, etc to enjoy the scenery and food."

However, next time, I do not want to drain my brain and make up stories about this.

Can I just say honestly "I come to Germany to visit the FKK clubs. I will go to clubs in Hesse, NRW, etc?"

As far as I know, FKK clubs are totally legal in Germany. Visiting a FKK club is like visiting a gym or a restaurant for Germany men. It is a normal and acceptable behavior. Am I right?I'm quite sure they're not asking for that kind of detailed information.

They just want to establish if you are entering for business purposes or tourism as that requires different types of visa. So just answering "tourism" should be all right.

Carpe Viam
12-26-16, 20:17
How did this happen? Did the girls complain or did the club notice?Staying all day with a Happy Hour rate and watching the girls and guests with grimace should not please the management of a club.

Solo Traveler
01-07-17, 19:54
Okay. Finally schedule a sex vacation to Germany for FKK clubs in Hesse and NRW.

I have never been to Germany in winter, though.

I see the weather forecast that it is snowing in Hesse and NRW!

I am used to a warm environment where the winter temperature is still around 10°see to 15°C.

Never been to a place where the temperature is under 5°C, let alone 0°C.

Do I have to be cautious about anything regarding my dress?

Do I need a snow hat, scarves, gloves etc to cover my whole body?

I am worry that I may get some hurt due to frozen or something like that.

Sirioja
01-08-17, 04:44
Okay. Finally schedule a sex vacation to Germany for FKK clubs in Hesse and NRW.

I have never been to Germany in winter, though.

I see the weather forecast that it is snowing in Hesse and NRW!

I am used to a warm environment where the winter temperature is still around 10see to 15C.

Never been to a place where the temperature is under 5C, let alone 0C.

Do I have to be cautious about anything regarding my dress?

Do I need a snow hat, scarves, gloves etc to cover my whole body?

I am worry that I may get some hurt due to frozen or something like that.Minus 5 sometimes at the moment. In France, I had minus 10 at night and on motorway, liquid to wash car glasses froze, but dry hair, so not so cold feeling. Not Alaska nor Siberia. On beginning of July 2015 , it was 35 degrees in Germany and it was difficult for girls, at the moment You just have to warm them, they have often cold hands and feet. FKK robes are warm, girls don t stay in the garden, even some are able to go in the cold to smoke. Just move your blood. With strong spirit, human is able to survive everywhere. Or go in Summer time.

Member #4581
01-08-17, 05:25
Frankfurt is not that cold. You need a good jacket but that's it. Gloves won't hurt. Snow caps etc are optional, I don't need them. If you are not planing to walk around for long stretches and mostly indoors, then I think a winter coat is enough. IMO.

Hessen Bub
01-08-17, 10:29
Was -5 to -10 Celsius (at night) in the last days in Frankfurt. Clubs are heated, streets are free, all good.

HB.

JBoarman
01-11-17, 20:06
My trip to Frankfurt is coming up. Finally! I'll be in Frankfurt on Thu, Jan 26th and Fri, Jan 27th and I'll be posting this in the Travel announcement section closer to those dates. This is my first time to a FKK club and have dilemma on these three things.

1. Out of the top 5, I was going to visit Oase on Thu and visit Sharks on Fri, but now I am in a mixed mind about Sharks. Recent reviews on LU and cleanliness are raising red flag for me. Is FKK world worth a trip or should I spend two days in Oase? I am into natural tall petite / slim, natural, not too busty providers.

2. As a first timer to a FKK, how do you negotiate or clarify service with a provider prior to the session? In Frankfurt, 50 euro gets you 30 minutes, BBBJ (not always), DFK (not always). Do providers tend to cheat with a newbie and would I be better off pretending not to be a newbie. Before the session, should I be asking the provider straight up "what's included in 50 euro, 30 minutes. Is BBBJ, DFK included?" or instead of "asking" her, "tell" her, that I am expecting these services in my 1/2 HR session.

3. Most FKKs don't have an ATM and from what I read, ATM is the best way to get dollars exchange to euros. I'll be staying close to Frankfurt airport. Are airport ATMs my best bet or are there ATMs on train stations?

Thanks in advance.

Optimist
01-12-17, 11:32
1. Other more frequent clubgoers may have more helpful opinions than me. On a two day trip maybe World is too far out unless you have a car, in which case I would choose it over the other two clubs: but others will tell you why they prefer Sharks or World: all a matter of personal taste. I wouldn't worry about the cleanliness at Sharks: the lineup there is likely to suit you. Cleanliness in FKKs is generally pretty good,: I would worry more about the cleanliness of my airplane.

2. Best not to indicate that you are a one-off tourist. You can lie as much as you want, but if you do, don't get upset if a girl lies to you. If there is any service which is crucial for you then maybe asking first is a good idea. Personally I just go by my gut feeling, but this doesn't work for all clients. If you are worried about being targetted as a newbie then Oase I believe may be more difficult for you, but it all depends on you: most girls are scrupulously honest and if treated with respect will be fine, as long as you do not act like a clueless man with more money than sense. Remember most girls come from countries where 300 euros a month is an ok wage, so you will seem rich to them.

3 Plenty of ATMs in Frankfurt. Maybe best to get a prepaid currency card in your home country if you want the best rates. USA members have discussed at length which are the best options. I like also to take a fair bit of cash euros in case of glitches in the banking system (one trip my cards were refused by my home country bank as I was outside my home country, so I was grateful to have emergency cash).

Relax and enjoy your trip. Don't worry about getting the perfect trip: it will be great if you take your time and relax into it.

The biggest danger is that after one trip you'll only be able to think about the next one!!!

Hessen Bub
01-12-17, 12:31
BBBJ is standard in a 30 min session until June 30.

If you only have two day, do Oase and Sharks. Oase has lingerie day on Thursday.

HB.

UltraHappy
01-12-17, 19:51
2. As a first timer to a FKK, how do you negotiate or clarify service with a provider prior to the session? In Frankfurt, 50 euro gets you 30 minutes, BBBJ (not always), DFK (not always). Do providers tend to cheat with a newbie and would I be better off pretending not to be a newbie. Before the session, should I be asking the provider straight up "what's included in 50 euro, 30 minutes. Is BBBJ, DFK included?" or instead of "asking" her, "tell" her, that I am expecting these services in my 1/2 HR session.

3. Most FKKs don't have an ATM and from what I read, ATM is the best way to get dollars exchange to euros. I'll be staying close to Frankfurt airport. Are airport ATMs my best bet or are there ATMs on train stations?

Thanks in advance.As HB says, BBBJ is included in the basic service, so no need to inquire about that service. It is a given in Hessen FKKs (well, at least until July 1st). For the most part, no girl in a Hessen FKK would even think of suggesting a CBJ.

There are many schools of thought regarding pre-room negotiations. I subscribe to the style Optimist promotes below. I would be very wary of "just telling a girl that you expect such and such services in a half hour session" as that would likely come off as disrespectful or rude, depending on your tone and attitude. In any case, that would likely not set a good tone for your interactions. Better that you act a little like you're very excited to be meeting such a nice girl at a bar -- yes, something like that kind of vibe. If you're lucky, your friendly, smiley attitude will be infectious and she will reciprocate and you will in turn benefit.

For your first few rooms, I would recommend simple, short 1-2 minute chats pre-room to see if you feel like you're getting along well with her. Then go off to the room and have a nice time. Especially when you are new, many girls will ask up front how long you want to stay in the room (half hour or one hour). Since you don't know if the girl is good or not, you obviously can't answer this question yet because you haven't spent any time with her. So, you will have to find polite ways to respond to this question. There are many options, but one option is to say something like I'm not sure yet, let's just take our time and see how things go, I will pay for our time together now matter how long we stay in the room, so no need for you to watch the clock. Whether you go to Oase or Sharks, I recommend trying at least 4-5 girls at each -- don't base your opinion of the entire club and line-up based on one or two bad experiences because both clubs have a small number of bad apples. That's just a fact of life in both of these clubs. But by and large, most girls in both of these clubs and quite nice and delightful.

In the end though, you will need to find what works best for you. Go to Sharks on Thursday and go to Oase on Friday. Don't make any final judgements about either club based on the line-up before 6:30 pm. Each day, the line-up will be optimal at both clubs from 6 pm to midnight but you will have a good time no matter when you arrive and leave (in any case, much better than wanking off in your hotel room alone for sure).

In general, don't use ATMs at the clubs to avoid their higher fees. I generally avoid airport ATMs because I have a fear of airport ATMs (though you will obviously have to overcome this fear if you don't already have any Euros to get you out of the airport, whether that be by train, taxi, or rental car). Banks in Germany are as plentiful as McDonalds. Just search for banks on Google Maps and use one of their ATMs. ATMs are generally not found at the smaller train stations, although you will have no problem finding them at both the Hauptbahnhof (the central train station) and Hauptwache (another big one). Bring two ATM cards with you from different banks in case you have a problem with one of them (you of course notified your banks ahead of time of your travel so that your cards won't be blocked abroad). You'll probably want to avoid ATMs directly in the RLD area since there are a couple ATMs in that area that charge hefty fees beyond the normal ATM fee that other ATMs charge (though they disclose this to you by requiring you to click on a message that reads something like "I confirm that I'm about to get screwed by your stupid big charges," but if you forgot to change the ATM language to English, you might miss this disclosure and confirmation.

Because your trip is coming up so soon, you won't have time to get a free Schwab checking account with debit card which would give you the advantage of no foreign transaction fees on your ATM withdrawals. But you will apply for one at least 6-7 weeks before your next trip so that you have one for next time. The Schwab checking account also refunds you all ATM charges. Plus, the Schwab checking account is totally free if you link it to your Schwab brokerage account (there is no obligation to actually use the brokerage account).

Have fun (actually this does not need to be stated since it is 99.5% certain that you will have an amazing time -- just remember, you will have only ONE FKK first time ever, so take it slow and drink in all of your experiences for your mental memory book to cherish later when you unfortunately have to return back to USA sex prison).

JBoarman
01-12-17, 20:41
BBBJ is standard in a 30 min session until June 30.

If you only have two day, do Oase and Sharks. Oase has lingerie day on Thursday.

HB.Thank you Optimist, HB and UltraHappy! Is lingerie day at Oase good or bad from customer perspective? In terms of provider assets being hidden and LU vs crowd ratio on Thursdays at Oase. I was leaning towards Oase on Thu and Sharks on Fri, because a lot of posts mentioned about great LU at Sharks on Fri, Sat and not so good on other days.

Member #4581
01-13-17, 00:19
Have fun (actually this does not need to be stated since it is 99.5% certain that you will have an amazing time -- just remember, you will have only ONE FKK first time ever, so take it slow and drink in all of your experiences for your mental memory book to cherish later when you unfortunately have to return back to USA sex prison).As always, UH provides a most excellent advice articulated most perfectly. I can never understand how you write such long pieces so well with no mistakes whatsoever. My resume has more errors and typos than what you write so casually on ISG, LOL.

I really liked what you said about having only one first time FKK experience. So nicely stated. You can lose your FKK virginity just once.

Even now, because I am in Germany only a few times a year, on the first day of clubbing, I am full of nervous anticipation (by the fourth or fifth day, I am dick tired, LOL). But nothing can match the first time I was in Oase a few years ago. OMG. What a sight, I went absolutely crazy.

Sometimes, I see total newbies asking so many questions about what they should do on their first ever visit, how to negotiate, how to "fend off aggressive girls seeking a room" etc. I think they worry too much. Unless they are very experienced mongers elsewhere and are already somewhat jaded, a first time at Sharks or Oase is quite mind blowing. What is so bad about a girl asking you twice and thrice to fuck her for 50 bucks. That was something I could only dream of, before I was at my first FKK. Just go there and enjoy. And thank your stars for being one of the lucky guys in the world to enjoy it.

Jimmy Boy 99
01-13-17, 02:12
Snip. There are many schools of thought regarding pre-room negotiations. I subscribe to the style Optimist promotes below. I would be very wary of "just telling a girl that you expect such and such services in a half hour session" as that would likely come off as disrespectful or rude, depending on your tone and attitude. In any case, that would likely not set a good tone for your interactions. Better that you act a little like you're very excited to be meeting such a nice girl at a bar -- yes, something like that kind of vibe. If you're lucky, your friendly, smiley attitude will be infectious and she will reciprocate and you will in turn benefit. Snip.If you haven't already been with the girl, if you want certain services, I think it is best to ascertain whether she does them, and if there is an extra charge, so you can decide if it is worth going with her if she doesn't do them or upcharges for standard services. During the initial conversation, I always ask the girl what we could do in the room, giving her a chance to tell me. If she does't mention a service I want, say DFK, I ask "no DFK? And let her add it or say she doesn't do it or charges extra. If she asks instead what do I want to do, then I will tell her and, if we come a a mutual agreement about the session, go to the room. If no agreement is reached, then I say thanks anyway and move on.

UltraHappy
01-13-17, 03:37
If you haven't already been with the girl, if you want certain services, I think it is best to ascertain whether she does them, and if there is an extra charge, so you can decide if it is worth going with her if she doesn't do them or upcharges for standard services. During the initial conversation, I always ask the girl what we could do in the room, giving her a chance to tell me. If she does't mention a service I want, say DFK, I ask "no DFK? And let her add it or say she doesn't do it or charges extra. If she asks instead what do I want to do, then I will tell her and, if we come a a mutual agreement about the session, go to the room. If no agreement is reached, then I say thanks anyway and move on.Yes, I do this sometimes too, especially when I am wavering or undecided about pulling the trigger. Sometimes, I use this question as a tie-breaker as to whether I will pull the trigger on a girl I am struggling to make a decision on. On the other hand, asking this question could be perceived as a pre-room invitation to negotiate, whereas she might have given away DFK without any negotiation once you were both comfortable with each other in the room. Since I have been experiencing a high rate of DFK success lately at Oase, for me, personally, I typically avoid this question. If a girl doesn't DFK, then I am simply much less likely to extend or repeat with her.

Some girls don't want to decide whether they will give DFK until they've had a chance to smell the guy's breath and are comfortable that he is clean. In this situation, asking the girl upfront forces her to say no because that's the safer answer for her until she's had a chance to evaluate whether she's comfortable providing DFK to that specific customer. That's one of the reasons I wrote that everyone has to find what works for them. There are so many factors for everyone to consider in whether it makes sense to ask this question upfront. For newbies, it might make sense to just go with the flow and see what happens for the first 4-5 rooms before deciding whether to filter upfront on a DFK basis -- unless DFK is that supremely important, in which case, ask away. Maybe I am overthinking things, but I sometimes fear that asking about DFK upfront might sometimes provoke a "no" that would have normally been a "yes" in the room had I not asked up front. I have absolutely no scientific data to back up that pure speculation however.

ExpatLover
01-13-17, 04:24
My trip to Frankfurt is coming up. Finally! I'll be in Frankfurt on Thu, Jan 26th and Fri, Jan 27th and I'll be posting this in the Travel announcement section closer to those dates. This is my first time to a FKK club and have dilemma on these three things.

1. Out of the top 5, I was going to visit Oase on Thu and visit Sharks on Fri, but now I am in a mixed mind about Sharks. Recent reviews on LU and cleanliness are raising red flag for me. Is FKK world worth a trip or should I spend two days in Oase? I am into natural tall petite / slim, natural, not too busty providers.

2. As a first timer to a FKK, how do you negotiate or clarify service with a provider prior to the session? In Frankfurt, 50 euro gets you 30 minutes, BBBJ (not always), DFK (not always). Do providers tend to cheat with a newbie and would I be better off pretending not to be a newbie. Before the session, should I be asking the provider straight up "what's included in 50 euro, 30 minutes. Is BBBJ, DFK included?" or instead of "asking" her, "tell" her, that I am expecting these services in my 1/2 HR session.

3. Most FKKs don't have an ATM and from what I read, ATM is the best way to get dollars exchange to euros. I'll be staying close to Frankfurt airport. Are airport ATMs my best bet or are there ATMs on train stations?

Thanks in advance.First of all keep it easy, there is no major difference between the big FKK club in Frankfurt, the best and most diverse LU will be Shark, cleanness is 0 issue all are very clean. Yes you can ask everything before what I never do, I just ask one thing if I want to do it that day is anal because some girls don't do it (less and less). You are dealing with human beings and not machines chemistry between you and the girl will be essential and the girls can also give you more in the room just because she has a good feeling with you.

Sirioja
01-13-17, 04:38
If you haven't already been with the girl, if you want certain services, I think it is best to ascertain whether she does them, and if there is an extra charge, so you can decide if it is worth going with her if she doesn't do them or upcharges for standard services. During the initial conversation, I always ask the girl what we could do in the room, giving her a chance to tell me. If she does't mention a service I want, say DFK, I ask "no DFK? And let her add it or say she doesn't do it or charges extra. If she asks instead what do I want to do, then I will tell her and, if we come a a mutual agreement about the session, go to the room. If no agreement is reached, then I say thanks anyway and move on.When I started 4 years ago, I asked girls if they really kiss, which is the most important for good sex for me, but I met passionate, or robot, kisser, which is not same feeling and illusion. So, now, I just go to girls who attract me, I speak to them to smell if they have good breathe and to feel if they behave friendly with me, and then, I take challenge to get kind of sex I look for, with the girl. Discovery is better illusion for me than checking a sexual services list. I experienced kissing, caressing and DATY make most of girls will to give You back pleasure and fluently kissing. Just the most normal behavior with a woman, even paid sex with a prostitute in a brothel. Girls understand what kind of guys we are, and no upselling nor tip asked for me. When I know the girl, I prefer she comes to me, meaning for me she wants to repeat. My game doesn't work so bad, with 4 regulars met for more than 1 year, 3 to keep on meeting, 1 on this week end. FKK are just easy game with girls.

Syzygies
01-13-17, 10:07
I am with Ultrahappy, and go a bit further. I dislike the girl to be asking me what I want to do in the room. I just say I want to have fun, and can she make a session to be fun? Sometimes they want to know what will be fun for me. If she wants to discuss everything that will happen in too much detail, and warn me about the short comings of 50 Euro session, I am usually persuaded to abandon the girl. I am looking for adaptable girls that can go with the flow. They need to learn when to be sweet and shut up rather than completely spoiling my good mood with ugly talk. All great girls I ever met, did not need to know what that I might like to do in the room. They just needed to decide if I was a nice guy or not, and whether they could accept me, and that high levels of upsell would be only putting me off.

If girls do not kiss, it is good if they warn customers in advance, although sometimes they actually might kiss, despite saying they don't. In these cases they are best to not mention the topic, unless they never ever kiss.

I can handle it okay If the girl says her service is better in 1 hour. If she turns out to be good enough, I will go for 1 hour, however this cannot be judged in advance. Most good girls are able to demonstrate being good enough to go extra time, before giving their absolute top service. They have to show that they can make some fun and are not scared of dick. They have to be relaxed and not stressed out.

I dislike girls to be asking how much time I want to spend before the session has even started, and have any clue if she is a good girl or a rip off girl.

Hessen Bub
01-13-17, 15:01
If girls do not kiss, it is good if they warn customers in advance, aThat happens less and less. Was quite common years ago for girls to tell in advance that they don't kiss.

HB.

Jimmy Boy 99
01-13-17, 17:24
My point (with which I believe UH agreed with) was and remains that if you must have a particular service (DFK, DATY, anal, FIA, FIV, CIM, COF, BBFS (in A / O clubs) or whatever) you should ask before going to the room to see if she does it and at what cost so you can decide if it is worth going with her. However, if you don't ask, don't complain and blame the girl (like a poster in another forum who wanted anal but unknowingly chose a girl who didn't do anal) for not providing that service if, unlike Syzygies, you are not able to charm her and turn her on enough to do what you want, or your clean breath is not enough to get her to DFK you, since, after all, you didn't ask her if she would do what you required with you.

As UH said, you must find the method that works for you when dealing with club girls. I am not interested in masturbating myself using a girl's body, so a mechanical suck and fuck session is worthless to me. I use the initial conversation to weed out (not always successfully, as in the case of Brianna at Oase) those suck and fuck girls who just want to get you off as quick as possible, and to see if the girl is at least open to the possibility of having a more intimate, hopefully mutually enjoyable session. I have found, as Sirioja has found, that spending the time preparing the girl with caresses, kisses, massage, DATY, etc before she does anything to me is well worth it as it as it usually improves her attitude and behavior and results in a much better session since it lessens the job-like aspect for the girl and she becomes more giving of herself.

Hessen Bub
01-13-17, 18:06
My point (with which I believe UH agreed with) was and remains that if you must have a particular service (DFK, DATY, anal, FIA, FIV, CIM, COF, BBFS (in A / O clubs) or whatever) you should ask before going to the room to see if she does it and at what cost so you can decide if it is worth going with her. DFK, DATY and BBBJ should be included. If not, the girl should tell you before. Should. The rest the guy should ask if he wants it.

HB.

Neurosynth
01-13-17, 20:43
I think the key is striking a balance so you are clear as to what you would like, but not demanding or obnoxious.

What I do (especially in Amsterdam where negotiation at the window is essential) is to say "Let me tell you what I like. I like X. I like to Z. I like to have W done to me. But that's just what I like. Are these things you can do with me?

(The auto-correction on this board is really over done. Above I wanted to use X, Y, and Z, but it forces "Y" to be "why." I've encountered lots of this kind of thing here. I appreciate how the management keeps things tidy. But it's frustrating when it overreaches.)

Member #4581
01-13-17, 21:07
Prenegotiation kills the mood. I don't know how you can bargain with the girl about each item (kissing? Yes. How long for each kiss? How wide open is the mouth? Tongue insertion OK? How deep can be the tongue insertion? Will you take my dick deep into the mouth, use hands with mouth or no hands? Use enough spit or not, what about balls, will you kiss them, lick them, and for how long? Can I kiss your pussy, just on the outer labia or part them and stick my tongue in?), negotiate the pricing on each item as if you are buying at a fish market, and then still have enough libido to fuck her.

If I find a girl cute enough and my optical spec, I take her, no questions asked. If the session didn't go well I terminate after half HR and no repeat. If she is nice to me, it goes on for an hour or longer and many repeats. This is the reason why I can't claim I am always a one hour man. I can't, because I want to try any girl pretty enough for me.

Anyway, it helps that I have no interest in DATY and DFK is only with my very special girls. Not hard to please me and easy money for them. Just have to be nice.

Sirioja
01-13-17, 21:20
I have found, as Sirioja has found, that spending the time preparing the girl with caresses, kisses, massage, DATY, etc before she does anything to me is well worth it as it as it usually improves her attitude and behavior and results in a much better session since it lessens the job-like aspect for the girl and she becomes more giving of herself.I just call this having normal sex with a woman, when starting with foreplay before fucking, like in normal life with a girlfriend. I don't need to kill my frustration fucking a prostitute, I prefer to enjoy beauty, taste, skin, perfume, body care, hands and feet nails, to put her hair as I like, sometimes to change her make up and most WGs let me do. They just feel how they are treated. I like when girls say they prefer we stay in missionary for sex, for eyes contact and kissing. Just looking for normal sex.

UltraHappy
01-13-17, 22:39
I prefer to enjoy beauty, taste, skin, perfume, body care, hands and feet nails, to put her hair as I like, sometimes to change her make up and most WGs let me do. Just looking for normal sex.Wait. You are doing their hair and changing their make-up?

Please share with us how you are changing their hair and their make-up. We would all love to hear more about this -- in detail please.

We would all like to learn more about this aspect of the room that we've all surely been missing out on.

Jimmy Boy 99
01-13-17, 22:43
I think the key is striking a balance so you are clear as to what you would like, but not demanding or obnoxious. Snip.Exactly.


DFK, DATY and BBBJ should be included. If not, the girl should tell you before. Should. The rest the guy should ask if he wants it.

HB.Yes they should, but don't always. However, as far as I know (and which was corroborated by the management of at least one FKK (Palace)), the only mandatory services during a session are BBBJ and CFS, the lack of which justifies canceling a session and management will back you up (no BBBJ, no CFS) or at least partially (BBBJ but no CFS).

JBoarman
01-14-17, 01:29
Thank you Optimist, HB and UltraHappy! Is lingerie day at Oase good or bad from customer perspective? In terms of provider assets being hidden and LU vs crowd ratio on Thursdays at Oase. I was leaning towards Oase on Thu and Sharks on Fri, because a lot of posts mentioned about great LU at Sharks on Fri, Sat and not so good on other days. Bumping up this question again.

Sirioja
01-14-17, 04:44
Wait. You are doing their hair and changing their make-up?

Please share with us how you are changing their hair and their make-up. We would all love to hear more about this -- in detail please.

We would all like to learn more about this aspect of the room that we've all surely been missing out on.Sometimes asking to put her hair in pony tail, most often changing hair with my hands to see better her face and ears. About make up, sometimes changing eyes make up with my fingers when I find it too heavy, playing with lipstick, touching lips, sometimes asking not to put off because I like the taste and to lick it, all this is just first part of foreplay, as eyes contact, kissing, caressing to make her have chicken skin, hard nipples, so funny game to play with body reactions, before trying to get to drink her bitter juice. When you know well the girl and her hygiene, then you know when it's best time to go with her, not to have soap taste, just after she wash, but her intimate vaginal taste, much tasty, or have to make her be wet to enjoy her taste. Of course, I need more than 30 fast mn for my games, often even more than 1 hour, sometimes kissing and caressing for nearly 1 hour, I'm more and more slow, because I enjoy these games more and more and also other sexual games. I'm not interested by rabbit fucking. I'm often surprised about what some girls let me do, just looking at me touching them with big eyes, often smiling, even on first time, no don t touch my hair, my make up, my face, because there is a way to touch her. Then we may repeat if she wants. Last Sunday, because she said she came because I asked her friend, when she had to fly to Romania on Monday early morning, because I said to her lovely friend on Friday, I had to return to Paris on Saturday but I will come back for her on Sunday, it was our second time, had 2 dreamed rooms on first time, and in room I thought I wanted to keep her to play with her until she left. We started at 5.30 pm, I turned on full light to make my eyes enjoying, so I could play great games for about 4 hours because she said to leave before 10 pm, but I thought I would miss her too much, so I preferred not to stay longer than on first time, so she had other rooms, but when she came back saying: Do you want me? To be my last one, like last time, I couldn't resist to her fatal sensual attraction, what a white milky skin, what a white teeth smile. Fortunately, also Mady, Lorena and Kate to enjoy this week end, to wait she come back. To enjoy as long it works. Then, new dream to find.

Sirioja
01-14-17, 04:55
Prenegotiation kills the mood. I don't know how you can bargain with the girl about each item (kissing? Yes. How long for each kiss? How wide open is the mouth? Tongue insertion OK? How deep can be the tongue insertion? Will you take my dick deep into the mouth, use hands with mouth or no hands? Use enough spit or not, what about balls, will you kiss them, lick them, and for how long? Can I kiss your pussy, just on the outer labia or part them and stick my tongue in?), negotiate the pricing on each item as if you are buying at a fish market, and then still have enough libido to fuck her.

If I find a girl cute enough and my optical spec, I take her, no questions asked. If the session didn't go well I terminate after half HR and no repeat. If she is nice to me, it goes on for an hour or longer and many repeats. This is the reason why I can't claim I am always a one hour man. I can't, because I want to try any girl pretty enough for me.

Anyway, it helps that I have no interest in DATY and DFK is only with my very special girls. Not hard to please me and easy money for them. Just have to be nice.Totally agree about mood and illusion, but I need DFK and DATY. I prefer a few enjoyable rooms rather than many fast rooms. My Luck is not to find many attractive girls. On Saturday 5 November, only Megan at Sharks. On Saturday 12 November at Oase, only Irina but because she is Russian. Small Thaï was pretty and smiling.

UltraHappy
01-14-17, 06:32
Thank you Optimist, HB and UltraHappy! Is lingerie day at Oase good or bad from customer perspective? In terms of provider assets being hidden and LU vs crowd ratio on Thursdays at Oase. I was leaning towards Oase on Thu and Sharks on Fri, because a lot of posts mentioned about great LU at Sharks on Fri, Sat and not so good on other days. Bumping up this question again.This is pure personal preference. Some guys don't like lingerie day. I personally enjoy this au-dessus day because I really appreciate their cute little costumes. It can get old seeing them naked all the time and it can be fun to see them wearing something different. Sometimes, it is nice to "undress" them in the room, which you obviously can't do on non-lingerie days. Sometimes, it's fun to just play with them awhile in the room while they are still wearing their naughty little outfits.

But I can certainly understand the difficulties this could pose for someone who doesn't already know how they look underneath their costumes. For example, some people are put off by tattoos. Some of the lingerie could be hiding tattoos that could turn out to be a rude surprise in the room.

You could certainly switch your Oase and Sharks days no problem. Wednesdays and Thursdays are both usually good days to visit Oase, at least in the evenings. Wednesday and Thursday ratios at Oase are usually quite favorable for the guys. I only suggested Sharks on Thursday because lingerie day at Oase on Thursday is more of a novelty for folks who have already attended a lot and who therefore appreciate something a little different from the usual to mix things up a bit, hence my previously recommended order. But if au-dessus day doesn't bother you, then the order of your visits on Thursday and Friday between Oase and Sharks doesn't matter.

My only hard recommendations regarding Sharks would be to avoid Wednesdays and Sundays there. You should be fine attending any other day of the week at Sharks.

Pistons
01-14-17, 11:52
Is lingerie day at Oase good or bad from customer perspective? In terms of provider assets being hidden and LU vs crowd ratio on Thursdays at Oase. I was leaning towards Oase on Thu and Sharks on Fri, because a lot of posts mentioned about great LU at Sharks on Fri, Sat and not so good on other days. Bumping up this question again.I actually enjoy lingerie day. Maybe it is because when I go to Germany I go to fkks every day for 2-8 days in a row, so only seeing naked women can actually get a bit bland after awhile. Some sexy lingerie can be a nice change of pace. It seems most germans here on the forum disagree with me, but that might be because they visit more sporadically. I don't know. But it suits me just fine to be among the few in this situation. And some girls like to change clothes 3-4 times a day on lingerie night. So I kinda enjoy their fashion show as well. I don't know if they do it because they are testing out the waters on which clothes bring in the most customers, or because they have so many otems to try on, or whatever the reason could be, but who cares? (I also like corsettes. Not sure I'd call it a fetish, but you should try to doggy a girl with her corsette on. Can look quite nice!)

Takedown
01-14-17, 13:48
I actually enjoy lingerie day. Maybe it is because when I go to Germany I go to fkks every day for 2-8 days in a row, so only seeing naked women can actually get a bit bland after awhile. Some sexy lingerie can be a nice change of pace. It seems most germans here on the forum disagree with me, but that might be because they visit more sporadically. I don't know. But it suits me just fine to be among the few in this situation. And some girls like to change clothes 3-4 times a day on lingerie night. So I kinda enjoy their fashion show as well. I don't know if they do it because they are testing out the waters on which clothes bring in the most customers, or because they have so many otems to try on, or whatever the reason could be, but who cares? (I also like corsettes. Not sure I'd call it a fetish, but you should try to doggy a girl with her corsette on. Can look quite nice!)One pet peeve is when girls take off the lingerie immediately when you get in the room. Since they're wearing all of those sexy clothes, it's nice when you get take it off yourself. Like opening up a present!

GlobalPunter
01-14-17, 13:59
Hi all,

I need some tips on which clubs to visit on Thursday 26th of January I'm tempted to drive to Sakura on Thursday, World Friday, Oases FKK Saturday and Sharks on Sunday.

I haven't been to Manhattan in a while so some suggestions will be great. Some tips on Sakura too will be helpful. I'm looking forward to some responses.

Sirioja
01-14-17, 14:07
One pet peeve is when girls take off the lingerie immediately when you get in the room. Since they're wearing all of those sexy clothes, it's nice when you get take it off yourself. Like opening up a present!I ask my new girls to let me put off, with a great game for stockings. Erotic game to caress nipples and pussy through dessous, making panties wet.

Jimmy Boy 99
01-14-17, 16:37
I will be visiting Hessen FKKs for a week starting April 20th before heading to the NWR clubs. I want to avoid dessous days and try to maximize the quality and quantity of the club lineups on an overall basis. My plan is Mainhattan on Thursday, Oase on Friday, World on Saturday, Sharks on Sunday and Monday, Atlanta / Darling (never been, cheap entry and fuck specials) on Tuesday, and Oase on Wednesday (DJ party night). Does this plan look reasonable? Am I short-changing Sharks by going on Sunday and Monday? Any comments or suggestions to improve the itinerary would be appreciated. Thanks.

PussyLiccker
01-14-17, 17:37
If you want to maximize the LU I would suggest Sharks on Weds and World on Fri. World is probably best on weekend night and likely Oase as well. Oase on Sat. The two can probably be swapped on those nights.

Based on my last tour Sharks did pick up pretty decently in the afternoon on Weds. Ratio and wait for rooms wasn't that terrible on Weds or Sat nights I'very visited. I've seen way worse room waits and ratios. For attendance that was the best day, and most choices.

Foe maximizing the LU in general weekend is best, but Sharks is an exception with Weds special. Also particularly for World, weekend.

I would build around that.

Sirioja
01-14-17, 21:47
I will be visiting Hessen FKKs for a week starting April 20th before heading to the NWR clubs. I want to avoid dessous days and try to maximize the quality and quantity of the club lineups on an overall basis. My plan is Mainhattan on Thursday, Oase on Friday, World on Saturday, Sharks on Sunday and Monday, Atlanta / Darling (never been, cheap entry and fuck specials) on Tuesday, and Oase on Wednesday (DJ party night). Does this plan look reasonable? Am I short-changing Sharks by going on Sunday and Monday? Any comments or suggestions to improve the itinerary would be appreciated. Thanks.Isn't your tour close to Orthodox Easter?

Atlanta worth on Friday and Saturday after 6 pm. Can find there ex World superstar. Also great Danny who would be a top level in any club, she could even at Globe.

Mainhattan also worth more on Friday or Saturday after 6 pm. Like World.

For Monday, I would choose LR and for second Sharks.

PussyLiccker
01-15-17, 02:13
Isn't your tour close to Orthodox Easter?April 16 this year. So yeah, not a good time for Ro attendance.

ExpatLover
01-15-17, 06:26
I will be visiting Hessen FKKs for a week starting April 20th before heading to the NWR clubs. I want to avoid dessous days and try to maximize the quality and quantity of the club lineups on an overall basis. My plan is Mainhattan on Thursday, Oase on Friday, World on Saturday, Sharks on Sunday and Monday, Atlanta / Darling (never been, cheap entry and fuck specials) on Tuesday, and Oase on Wednesday (DJ party night). Does this plan look reasonable? Am I short-changing Sharks by going on Sunday and Monday? Any comments or suggestions to improve the itinerary would be appreciated. Thanks.First of all you will have to follow in the coming weeks what are the changes coming from the new law, second definitively the best LU in Germany (quantity / quality) will be at Shark, World is far from Frankfort and may be not worth a visit, was there several times in the last weeks, despite I like this club I need to admit that the LU is poor.

KC Questor
01-15-17, 07:13
I'm looking to visit Britain later this year and want to take a side trip to Germany to visit some of the FKK clubs. It will be a short trip of only 3-4 days, so I want to pick the best central location. It looks like Dusseldorf has the most clubs, but as I won't be able to try out more than 4-6 of them, quantity doesn't matter as much as quality and ease of visiting. Sharks, Oase, and World all have the most posts here, but not sure if they are the most active because of quality or just because Frankfurt is the cheapest to fly into. I can rent a car, but a city with public transport to FKK clubs would be nice too. I've never been to Germany before, so where do you think I should visit? My preference is for curvy girls, in a variety of colors. DFK preferred. English is nice, but not mandatory. Advice is welcome.

Sirioja
01-15-17, 08:08
April 16 this year. So yeah, not a good time for Ro attendance.From about 10 to end of April, many Romanian girls will return home, at least the best girls who made enough money and want to be with their family and to go to the church for this important event for Orthodox. Many prostitutes believe in God, if I had to do this job, I think I would believe in Devil.

Optimist
01-15-17, 13:09
KC. Definitely Frankfurt for a short trip. The clubs have naked girls, have larger lineups than NRW (in general), and are better for relaxing between sessions.

For many people flying in, Frankfurt is a more expensive flight than Dusseldorf so that's not the reason the Frankfurt area has more posts.

The Cane
01-15-17, 13:28
KC. Definitely Frankfurt for a short trip. The clubs have naked girls, have larger lineups than NRW (in general), and are better for relaxing between sessions.

For many people flying in, Frankfurt is a more expensive flight than Dusseldorf so that's not the reason the Frankfurt area has more posts.I second this. Additionally, one may also use public transportation to get to all of the Frankfurt are "Big 5" clubs.

InigoMontoya
01-15-17, 14:41
April 16 this year. So yeah, not a good time for Ro attendance.Awww. Actually booked a trip Apr 13-23 w / out thinking of Easter. Do the Ro girls take holiday the entire week normally?

Sirioja
01-15-17, 14:44
I'm looking to visit Britain later this year and want to take a side trip to Germany to visit some of the FKK clubs. It will be a short trip of only 3-4 days, so I want to pick the best central location. It looks like Dusseldorf has the most clubs, but as I won't be able to try out more than 4-6 of them, quantity doesn't matter as much as quality and ease of visiting. Sharks, Oase, and World all have the most posts here, but not sure if they are the most active because of quality or just because Frankfurt is the cheapest to fly into. I can rent a car, but a city with public transport to FKK clubs would be nice too. I've never been to Germany before, so where do you think I should visit? My preference is for curvy girls, in a variety of colors. DFK preferred. English is nice, but not mandatory. Advice is welcome.Quantity never made quality. More girls at Sharks now than in 2015 but not same casting quality for beauties. Many stars left or are leaving and it s not finished. Frankfurt clubs Oase and Sharks are more touristic. Best clubs for services are those mostly working with locals or regulars, not with tourists to fuck.

My advice to start, after end of January when stars will be back, LR West Düsseldorf with about 10 high level GFE girls. Ariana at World is a great GFE. Sandra. De at Sharks also. Irina. Ru at Oase is quite good GFE. Best days are from Friday to Sunday, with Wednesday at Sharks.

If You are not dark skin, You can try Vip GT Bruggen near my beloved Borussia Moenchengladbach. Who can forget Gunther Netzer, the little Mozart. Brother with LR. Ask discount ticket if You move from one to the other on same day.

Jimmy Boy 99
01-15-17, 18:41
From about 10 to end of April, many Romanian girls will return home, at least the best girls who made enough money and want to be with their family and to go to the church for this important event for Orthodox. Many prostitutes believe in God, if I had to do this job, I think I would believe in Devil.Sirioja and PL.

Thanks for your input. Regarding Easter, I would think that since there is a messe in Frankfurt (or Darmstadt) during the week of April 24th, the girls would go home for Easter before the 16th so they could come back towards the end of the week in time for the messe. Hopefully, they will.

Regarding weekends, presumably all clubs are better on Friday and Saturday. The problem is I can't fully visit 5 clubs in two weekend days. World is supposed to be dead except Saturday (maybe Friday also) so that is why I chose World for Saturday. Someone has posted that Sharks is awful on Wednesdays, and to a lesser extent on Sundays. Do the ex-World superstar and Danny only work on weekends in the evenings? If so, perhaps I can do a short visit to Atlanta after World or whichever club I do on Friday.

The question is how to arrange club visits for the days other than Saturday to maximize the lineup quality and quantity subject to not going on dessous days. Is it better to switch to Sharks on Thursday, Mainhattan on Friday, World on Saturday, and Sharks on Sunday? If so, will the lineup at Oase on Monday-Wednesday be any good?

PussyLiccker
01-15-17, 18:58
I was at World on both nights. Fri and Sat. They were comparable at night when I visited. What happened on Sat was I arrived around 10, and didn't see the girls I've seen the night before (one I saw walking out as I was coming in). I showed up earlier on Fri (around 8) and there were more girls probably because overlap in shifts. So, not sure how the daytime compare really. But, definitely better attendance than random Thurs night visit I did way back.

For the girls that left around 10 or didn't see, perhaps they were the dayshift as 10 seems to the general time day shift leaves all around. Based on what I see at Oase, they pick up starting at 5 on weekend visit I've done.

On my visits, Weds was the best attendance at Sharks. I recall a girl telling me there were more girls on days before (260 she claimed and supposedly 200+ on Sat) on my Sat visit and I assumed Weds to be most likely. I'very been on Thurs in the past, and was lower attendance. Also, I'very noticed this at Oase in the past.

Thursday seems like generally a lower attendance day in Hessen with World being the worst.

I club hop on the weekend so that'she my solution.

Sirioja
01-15-17, 19:30
Sirioja and PL.

Thanks for your input. Regarding Easter, I would think that since there is a messe in Frankfurt (or Darmstadt) during the week of April 24th, the girls would go home for Easter before the 16th so they could come back towards the end of the week in time for the messe. Hopefully, they will.

Regarding weekends, presumably all clubs are better on Friday and Saturday. The problem is I can't fully visit 5 clubs in two weekend days. World is supposed to be dead except Saturday (maybe Friday also) so that is why I chose World for Saturday. Someone has posted that Sharks is awful on Wednesdays, and to a lesser extent on Sundays. Do the ex-World superstar and Danny only work on weekends in the evenings? If so, perhaps I can do a short visit to Atlanta after World or whichever club I do on Friday.

The question is how to arrange club visits for the days other than Saturday to maximize the lineup quality and quantity subject to not going on dessous days. Is it better to switch to Sharks on Thursday, Mainhattan on Friday, World on Saturday, and Sharks on Sunday? If so, will the lineup at Oase on Monday-Wednesday be any good?Best business Romanian girls return at home for Christmas, new Year and their Easter. Usually they don t return for only 1 week. Easter is really important for Orthodox with family. Can't you delay to beginning of May? Because business girls know guys get salary on end of month and it's time to return to business.

For World, better on Friday or Saturday. Entry 47 before 1 pm. World wake up at 5 pm since 2015 , as You know. Ariana is great GFE at World. Mainhattan live like his brother.

Ex World star usually works from 4 to 10 pm on Friday and Saturday. Danny works at night, starting about 7 pm, on Friday and Saturday but not always. Better to call before, they answer at Atlanta.

I think Oase is OK from Thursday to Sunday.

I never had problems to get girls I wanted at Sharks on Sunday. Don't worry about Wednesday, mostly locals who eat more than they go to room. Monday can also be correct at Sharks even no more same casting than when we met.

Enjoy your tour.

McAdonis
01-15-17, 20:26
I never had problems to get girls I wanted at Sharks on Sunday. Don't worry about Wednesday, mostly locals who eat more than they go.Also never had difficulties on these days. But could be because I don't go after most coveted girls. Had much more problems at GT, LR, Yin Yang.

Pistons
01-16-17, 01:41
Also never had difficulties on these days. But could be because I don't go after most coveted girls. Had much more problems at GT, LR, Yin Yang.Well, the amount of girls may just be the main reason. GT is the club here with the most girls I assume? And on a good day it may just have 50% of the girls Sharks has?

PussyLiccker
01-16-17, 02:00
At max about 70-80. At peak times there are wait for rooms, but the busier ones are really apparent. 26 rooms. Sharks has 40 rooms I believe.

It's just that the place can swell with a lot of clientele earlier on with the number of rooms as it is, that creates some wait for rooms. Depends on the late afternoon early evening, how much wait there can be.

Depends on what 50% really means. If it was like supposed 200-250 like how it was in Nov at Sharks, that's less than 50%.

Sharks with 40 rooms and 200 girls, I've encountered at max 4 couples waiting in the night.

YY probably about the same as GT's count, and does get it's rush hrs in the evening generally, and of course like any other clubs, weekends nights did have long wait for rooms, but with the addition of new rooms complete. We'll see.

Aca, I don't experience room waits, and avg is about 40 girls, and probably about 50-60 if it peaks. Probably due to less clientel and quick rooms.

See, LR is different from Aca. In the night, there can be wait for rooms depending on which night being busy. 22 rooms I believe and peak 50+. So, all this work on demand with enough punters to room and number of girls, rooms, how long the clients room, etc..

McAdonis
01-16-17, 02:25
I see the same number trends as PL. Place like GT has more part-timers than most clubs. For example, Isa (DE) who only work a few days a week. I think that creates demand due to scarcity. I think at smaller clubs, the choice is easier for the punters. Sharks might be a place where the customer may just be visually overloaded. At a smaller club, I think it is easier to notice when one girl stands out. The men are less spoiled for choice, and they can more easily reach a consensus on who the top girls are.

Sirioja
01-16-17, 03:13
Also never had difficulties on these days. But could be because I don't go after most coveted girls. Had much more problems at GT, LR, Yin Yang.Sometimes I wonder if we all visit same Sharks on Sunday. I can't go on Wednesday. On Sunday, never had problem to get the busiest like Sandra. De who came to me when we had weekly rooms and she was busier on beginning of 2015, or the prettiest like Megan or Karin or Ilka who also came to me. After first room, I never run after girls, they decide to repeat or not.

I couldn't get only Karolina. Pol on a Sunday because she was booked all day. I returned on Monday, she was also booked on Monday by same guy, but was bored about him in early evening, so when we smiled to each other, she said to him she was tired, but I found her very fresh in body and hot in mind for her last room of the day.

I had to wait for Alice / Kate for 6 hours, but it was on a Monday, also booked by same guy for most of the afternoon. Never saw him at Globe and now she comes to me.

Of course, I never dare to jump on Janine like others, when she started on Summer 2014. Never saw this for another girl.

Vito Corleone
01-16-17, 03:34
Aca, I don't experience room waits, and avg is about 40 girls, and probably about 50-60 if it peaks. Probably due to less clientel and quick rooms.

See, LR is different from Aca. In the night, there can be wait for rooms depending on which night being busy. 22 rooms I believe and peak 50+. So, all this work on demand with enough punters to room and number of girls, rooms, how long the clients room, etc..On Fri. & sat during peak times I've had 30 min to 1 HR wait for a room.

LR only has 15 actual rooms not including the 2 kino rooms.

Sirioja
01-16-17, 04:00
On Fri. & sat during peak times I've had 30 min to 1 HR wait for a room.

LR only has 15 actual rooms not including the 2 kino rooms.I don't wait at Aca, but sometimes more than 1 hour at LR, but I like to stay waiting with my girl. On a party on January 2014, 2 hours waiting for room at GT.

PussyLiccker
01-16-17, 05:54
The 15 Rooms explains the sometimes long waits at LR.

Trans Atlantic
01-17-17, 05:43
In general, don't use ATMs at the clubs to avoid their higher fees. I generally avoid airport ATMs because I have a fear of airport ATMs (though you will obviously have to overcome this fear if you don't already have any Euros to get you out of the airport, whether that be by train, taxi, or rental car). Banks in Germany are as plentiful as McDonalds. Just search for banks on Google Maps and use one of their ATMs. ATMs are generally not found at the smaller train stations, although you will have no problem finding them at both the Hauptbahnhof (the central train station) and Hauptwache (another big one). Bring two ATM cards with you from different banks in case you have a problem with one of them (you of course notified your banks ahead of time of your travel so that your cards won't be blocked abroad). You'll probably want to avoid ATMs directly in the RLD area since there are a couple ATMs in that area that charge hefty fees beyond the normal ATM fee that other ATMs charge (though they disclose this to you by requiring you to click on a message that reads something like "I confirm that I'm about to get screwed by your stupid big charges," but if you forgot to change the ATM language to English, you might miss this disclosure and confirmation.
I did use ATM at Sharks one time. No extra fees. Do they really charge extra fees? I generally don't use ATMs at clubs just to avoid having a record of using an ATM with an address matching that of a saunaclub.

What; s wrong with airport ATMs? Euronet is pretty good and in DUS, it's either Euronet or Sparkasse. Had no problems with either.

Pistons
01-17-17, 09:32
PL: Yes you hardly see more than max 4 pairs waiting for a room upstairs at sharks, but that's because you have these other options too. Like the rebuilt old cinema, the flintstones caves and the huts outside. GT doesn't have these other alternatives. Just the cabins. (And the cinema).

Jimmy Boy 99
01-18-17, 06:18
Best business Romanian girls return at home for Christmas, new Year and their Easter. Usually they don t return for only 1 week. Easter is really important for Orthodox with family. Can't you delay to beginning of May? Because business girls know guys get salary on end of month and it's time to return to business.

For World, better on Friday or Saturday. Entry 47 before 1 pm. World wake up at 5 pm since 2015 , as You know. Ariana is great GFE at World. Mainhattan live like his brother.

Ex World star usually works from 4 to 10 pm on Friday and Saturday. Danny works at night, starting about 7 pm, on Friday and Saturday but not always. Better to call before, they answer at Atlanta.

I think Oase is OK from Thursday to Sunday.

I never had problems to get girls I wanted at Sharks on Sunday. Don't worry about Wednesday, mostly locals who eat more than they go to room. Monday can also be correct at Sharks even no more same casting than when we met.

Enjoy your tour.Thanks. I planned the trip for April so I could make a last trip to Germany in June before the new law goes into effect. Hopefully most of the girls will be back by the first weekend I am there.

PussyLiccker
01-19-17, 06:44
Ariana is great GFE at World.
+1. Highly recommended. A fav at World. We overlap somewhat for top providers or attractive girls.

KozMoKramer
01-30-17, 21:49
Hi,

I'm a newbie and never been to FKK club and not in Germany but expecting first time soon in NRW.

Considering Samya in Cologne or PSR in Lohmar.

I'm considering PSR because of the facilities and I wonder: if a club has pools, whirlpool, sauna and so on how the men using those facilities? Naked? I believe you won't swim with you robe.

Are the girls participating in those activities?

Thanks in advance. This forum is great source.

Member #4585
01-31-17, 04:30
Hi,

I'm a newbie and never been to FKK club and not in Germany but expecting first time soon in NRW.

Considering Samya in Cologne or PSR in Lohmar.

I'm considering PSR because of the facilities and I wonder: if a club has pools, whirlpool, sauna and so on how the men using those facilities? Naked? I believe you won't swim with you robe.

Are the girls participating in those activities?

Thanks in advance. This forum is great source.You use the spa facilities in the nude. Place a towel under your ass when sitting in the sauna and take off your shoes before ebtering the sauna (nit when in the sauna).

Some girls may use the spa facilities too but the girls are really not there to relax, they are there to work.

JohnyBravo
02-05-17, 14:20
Hello gentlemen,

I had a terrific time during my last trip to Germany in July 2016. Thanks to all the fellow mongers and seniors for all the help and guidance. I rented a car from Frankfurt airport and covered the following places in my last trip:

Day 1 FKK Oase, Friedrichsdorf.

Day 2 FKK Sharks, Darmstadt.

Day 3 FKK Samya, Cologne.

Day 4 Sauna Club LR, Dusseldorf.

Day 5 Farrell Lounge, Dusseldorf.

Day 6 Pauschalclub, Bochum.

Day 7 Treff-188, Frankfurt.

I am planning another similar trip to Germany purely for mongering in April 2017 and would like to revisit the above mentioned places. After RTFF, I realized that many girls will not be available due to Easter in April. But I can not take a break from work and travel to Germany in March and would not like to wait till May as I really want to visit the FKKs ASAP.

Request seniors to suggest which dates in April 2017 should I choose to travel to Germany so that I can have a good time at FKKs and get VFM.

Cheers!

JohnyBravo.

Downandup
02-05-17, 18:58
Request seniors to suggest which dates in April 2017 should I choose to travel to Germany so that I can have a good time at FKKs and get VFM.Easter is April 16 so if you think that's going to be a problem then I suggest you travel at the start or the end of April.

Nalia
02-05-17, 20:41
Hello gentlemen,

I had a terrific time during my last trip to Germany in July 2016. Thanks to all the fellow mongers and seniors for all the help and guidance. I rented a car from Frankfurt airport and covered the following places in my last trip:

Day 1 FKK Oase, Friedrichsdorf.

Day 2 FKK Sharks, Darmstadt..I have only been to Sharks, Samya, Bernds, and LivingRoom so my experiences are limited comparing with others.

I would say skip Samya, LU is not so good, a lot older girls, also services are average, but food is good. Bernds definitely skip, I don't know where to start, just don't go. Sharks has a lot girls, some are pretty young, great facilities, but being so big can feel rather impersonal. LivingRoom I like, I hope the facilities are better like Sharks, but it feels cozy and more intimate, and girls are less pushy. In terms of LU, Sharks has the best selection simply because it has a lot more girls to choose from.

JennyKk
02-06-17, 05:02
Will be there on Sat and Sun.

Plan to visit both Goldentime and Shark.

I know Sat will be good in both club.

So how about Sunday? Which one has good LU on Sunday?

Lalabo
02-06-17, 08:36
My initial plan was to fly into Munich, rent a car, checkout FKK-Colosseum and / or FKK-Cleopatra, drive to Stuttgart, checkout FKK-Sakura and / or Paradise, then drive up north to Hessian and visit some clubs there and drive back to Munich.

After reading not so inspiring reviews of the clubs around Munich I have changed my plan and decided to skip Bavarian clubs altogether and add Zurich to my itinerary as it is only few hours drive away.

So my current plan is to drive straight to Stuttgart from Munich, checkout Sakura and / or Paradise, stay overnight, drive south to Zurich, maybe checkout FKK66 on the way, stay 2-3 nights in Zurich, visit Globe (and maybe FKK-Basel on my way to Hessian), drive north on A5 to Frankfurt, stay 3 nights, visit Sharks, World, maybe Mainhattan and drive back south to Stuttgart, stay one night and drive to Munich.

I am mostly clear on the clubs to visit in Stuttgart, Zurich and Frankfurt. But as I will be driving, I think I have an opportunity to checkout some new clubs along the way. I am specifically interested in the clubs on the route from Zurich to Frankfurt on A5. The list of clubs peaked my interest are FKK-Palast, FKK-Monte Carlo, Flamingo Island and Pirates Park. I found some reviews on these clubs but they are mostly old. So I just want to see if anyone visited any of these clubs recently (specifically early in the week like Tuesday or Wednesday)? If so, how are they and are they worth visiting? Are there any other clubs on this route that I have not mentioned worth visiting? Am I better off taking A81 to Frankfurt via Stuttgart?

Are there any must see places (sightseeing, not FKK / sauna clubs. LOL) along the route I plan on driving?

Sirioja
02-06-17, 14:16
My initial plan was to fly into Munich, rent a car, checkout FKK-Colosseum and / or FKK-Cleopatra, drive to Stuttgart, checkout FKK-Sakura and / or Paradise, then drive up north to Hessian and visit some clubs there and drive back to Munich.

After reading not so inspiring reviews of the clubs around Munich I have changed my plan and decided to skip Bavarian clubs altogether and add Zurich to my itinerary as it is only few hours drive away.

So my current plan is to drive straight to Stuttgart from Munich, checkout Sakura and / or Paradise, stay overnight, drive south to Zurich, maybe checkout FKK66 on the way, stay 2-3 nights in Zurich, visit Globe (and maybe FKK-Basel on my way to Hessian), drive north on A5 to Frankfurt, stay 3 nights, visit Sharks, World, maybe Mainhattan and drive back south to Stuttgart, stay one night and drive to Munich.In Switzerland, Zurich is not so far from Munich, You have Globe and Bumsalp around Zurich. Aphrodisia in city. I don t know FKK Basel, but History in Liestal, South Basel, really worth for beauties and services level, with lower Winter rates. Now, a bit difficult for me to enjoy Germany level, only a very few can compete for beauty and GFE illusion.

Between Basel and Frankfurt, close to Hockenheim ring, FKK First, brother with Atlanta Hanau. Also small Point and Pirates in Bruchsal, between Karlsruhe and Frankfurt. Atlanta on Friday and Saturday evening for Raïssa and Danni. Then touristic now Sharks, Oase and Palace. Sakura is a very good restaurant, but never found an attractive beauty there. At the moment, only LR is on Swiss level for me. Nicole is too far in time.

RubMeister100
02-06-17, 14:52
My initial plan was to fly into Munich, rent a car, checkout FKK-Colosseum and / or FKK-Cleopatra, drive to Stuttgart, checkout FKK-Sakura and / or Paradise, then drive up north to Hessian and visit some clubs there and drive back to Munich.

Any particular reason you need / want to fly into / out of Munich?

What about flying into Dusseldorf and starting at the NRW clubs, then driving your way towards Frankfurt? Fly out of Frankfurt.

Or if you want to spend more time and visit more places including Zurich (if you have money left!) then drive to Zurich and fly out of Zurich.

One way car rentals are not usually much more, open jaw flights the same, and you will not waste time backtracking.

Sirioja
02-06-17, 17:53
Will be there on Sat and Sun.

Plan to visit both Goldentime and Shark.

I know Sat will be good in both club.

So how about Sunday? Which one has good LU on Sunday?Sunday is among best casting days for GT and Sharks. Great brunch at GT until 2 pm.

Exodus8
02-06-17, 19:50
Sunday is among best casting days for GT and Sharks. Great brunch at GT until 2 pm.Sharks is overcrowded on sundays bc of the cheap entry so you will have to fight for the top gals.

By 10-11 pm locals go home to their wives but many gals also leave. By midnight it becomes turkish market, LOL.

Sirioja
02-06-17, 20:30
Sharks is overcrowded on sundays bc of the cheap entry so you will have to fight for the top gals.

By 10-11 pm locals go home to their wives but many gals also leave. By midnight it becomes turkish market, LOL.Never had to run after Sandra or Karin or Megan on Sundays at Sharks, they came to me as long we had rooms. I don't think we all visit same clubs, even they have same name.

Pistons
02-07-17, 00:28
By 10-11 pm locals go home to their wives but many gals also leave. By midnight it becomes turkish market, LOL.Indeed, but on many days sharks seems to be more of a day club than a night club. Not just sundays...

Lalabo
02-07-17, 02:37
Any particular reason you need / want to fly into / out of Munich?

What about flying into Dusseldorf and starting at the NRW clubs, then driving your way towards Frankfurt? Fly out of Frankfurt.

Or if you want to spend more time and visit more places including Zurich (if you have money left!) then drive to Zurich and fly out of Zurich.

One way car rentals are not usually much more, open jaw flights the same, and you will not waste time backtracking.I agree with everything you said. I have done all those you mentioned between Dusseldorf, Frankfurt and Zurich. I have flown into Dusseldorf and Zurich many times and into Frankfurt couple of times in the past.

So why Munich? I saw a decent priced ticket with short travel times, I leave at the end of work week on Friday evening and back home on Sunday so that I don't have to burn any more vacation than necessary.

Also I have been wanting to visit southern Germany to do some sight seeing and visit clubs in the area. I know Hessian and NRW are the best places with lots of clubs, but I have visited many of the clubs in the past. I just thought of checking out some new clubs (good ones. LOL) this time. Also I love driving on Autobahns.

It is not cheap to fly to Europe unless you live in or close to one of the big cities / hubs like New York, Boston, Chicago etc. If you live in small towns away from big hubs, like I do, flight cost to get to a hub costs you almost if not more than what it costs for trans Atlantic flights. It is ridiculous how much airline fares have gone up domestically in US in the past few years.

It is still its an open itinerary, so I still could choose the safer option and drive to Dusseldorf via Stuttgart and Frankfurt checking clubs along the way, return car there and fly to Munich for a less than $100 (I guess fuel costs that much for a 7 hour drive).

Pistons
02-07-17, 02:43
It is not cheap to fly to Europe unless you live in or close to one of the big cities / hubs like New York, Boston, Chicago etc. If you live in small towns away from big hubs, like I do, flight cost to get to a hub costs you almost if not more than what it costs for trans Atlantic flights. It is ridiculous how much airline fares have gone up domestically in US in the past few years.Thank you! That was my point exactly here earlier regarding the incredibly crappy us airlines industry (except boeing ofcourse, and perhaps lockheed. But they are on a different side). Medium to low service, insane prices that tries to make you feel special and priviledged and 80 year old planes that comes out of a horror movie by Fritz Lang... ok, now I am getting a bit ahead of myself. lol

RubMeister100
02-07-17, 02:56
Thank you! That was my point exactly here earlier regarding the incredibly crappy us airlines industry (except boeing ofcourse, and perhaps lockheed. But they are on a different side). Medium to low service, insane prices that tries to make you feel special and priviledged and 80 year old planes that comes out of a horror movie by Fritz Lang... ok, now I am getting a bit ahead of myself. lolTake comfort in knowing how wildly profitable the airline business is! .

Pistons
02-07-17, 02:59
Take comfort in knowing how wildly profitable the airline business is! .But I'm a share holder in Norwegian Air.

PussyLiccker
02-07-17, 05:28
I agree with everything you said. I have done all those you mentioned between Dusseldorf, Frankfurt and Zurich. I have flown into Dusseldorf and Zurich many times and into Frankfurt couple of times in the past.

So why Munich? I saw a decent priced ticket with short travel times, I leave at the end of work week on Friday evening and back home on Sunday so that I don't have to burn any more vacation than necessary.

Also I have been wanting to visit southern Germany to do some sight seeing and visit clubs in the area. I know Hessian and NRW are the best places with lots of clubs, but I have visited many of the clubs in the past. I just thought of checking out some new clubs (good ones. LOL) this time. Also I love driving on Autobahns.

It is not cheap to fly to Europe unless you live in or close to one of the big cities / hubs like New York, Boston, Chicago etc. If you live in small towns away from big hubs, like I do, flight cost to get to a hub costs you almost if not more than what it costs for trans Atlantic flights. It is ridiculous how much airline fares have gone up domestically in US in the past few years.

It is still its an open itinerary, so I still could choose the safer option and drive to Dusseldorf via Stuttgart and Frankfurt checking clubs along the way, return car there and fly to Munich for a less than $100 (I guess fuel costs that much for a 7 hour drive).Those thoughts crossed my mind as well. I haven't done Munich either, and it's been awhile I've done Hamburg (only did Atmos and apartments), Artemis. Also, Zurich although not the level of budget I can get myself into, but just to check out Globe again and see Aphrodisia for the first time. I even thought about doing Aus from Munich to find out that Vienna is way out there. LOL.

I have also not been to Saarland or along that area.

I tried thinking of the most efficient way to plan a trip to include them along with NRW. I thought of doing a ring, but man the drive. Better to take the train all around so I don't have to drive, but I prefer to have a car while in the areas. Also, moving to distanced places to places take a lot of time. If you drive, that's hours of time spending driving the car.

I thought about land in Zurich, do the clubs there, and drive up to Duss as a chain. Or the opposite way. Or from Duss to Hamburg to Artemis (Artemis being a sole club to drive such a distance is what turns me away). The issue of landing in De and leaving out of another country is the significant rise in car rental cost for dropping off in another country. In country pretty minor in comparison.

I wanted to check out Sunshine, Hawaii, and Colosseum, but the issues of what days to pick, etc. To make the most of it. Because when you do a chain, you have to visit the club whatever the day comes.

Actually, airfares has been much lower than it has been in the past. Well, at least for the hub airports.

Sirioja
02-07-17, 06:17
PL,

You can enter Aphrodisia to give a look and even have a drink, for free, but not sure casting level worth for 280/30 mn or 500 CHF / h. Globe is half rate for girls with usually better casting, even not on top since December. Bumsalp and others are usually lower for beauties.

History Liestal really worth for some pretty GF, for 99/30 mn. Only problem for me at History is no free foods, but I taste lovely, pretty girls there.

In Hamburg, Harmony, 30 kms south, worth for sweet Nicole. Ro.

In Saarland, Prestige Neunkirchen and Paradise Sarrebrucken. Prestige was on top on end of 2013/ beginning of 2014 , with top GF, pretty Emma. Ro. I kissed her for hours, with 3 hours rooms.

Lalabo
02-09-17, 03:18
Those thoughts crossed my mind as well. I haven't done Munich either, and it's been awhile I've done Hamburg (only did Atmos and apartments), Artemis. Also, Zurich although not the level of budget I can get myself into, but just to check out Globe again and see Aphrodisia for the first time. I even thought about doing Aus from Munich to find out that Vienna is way out there. LOL.

I have also not been to Saarland or along that area.

I tried thinking of the most efficient way to plan a trip to include them along with NRW. I thought of doing a ring, but man the drive. Better to take the train all around so I don't have to drive, but I prefer to have a car while in the areas. Also, moving to distanced places to places take a lot of time. If you drive, that's hours of time spending driving the car.

I thought about land in Zurich, do the clubs there, and drive up to Duss as a chain. Or the opposite way. Or from Duss to Hamburg to Artemis (Artemis being a sole club to drive such a distance is what turns me away). The issue of landing in De and leaving out of another country is the significant rise in car rental cost for dropping off in another country. In country pretty minor in comparison.

I wanted to check out Sunshine, Hawaii, and Colosseum, but the issues of what days to pick, etc. To make the most of it. Because when you do a chain, you have to visit the club whatever the day comes.

Actually, airfares has been much lower than it has been in the past. Well, at least for the hub airports.Thanks PL and RubMeister100 for your thoughts, very helpful.

Recent reviews of the clubs, especial the ones posted by Cane, around Munich & Stuttgart are not inspiring enough to stick with my original plan. I probably end up taking train or flight to Zurich then to Dusseldorf, rant a car there and visit all the usual clubs and then fly back to Munich.

I have visited Artemis for one night during a overnight layover. It was a ok experience, nothing memorable, club was too smoky for my liking. I don't think make another trip to Berlin for just one club.

How was Atmos? I would really like to know your experience (optics, service, price etc.) with apartments scene. Hamburg is one of the cities I want to visit, may be during some other trip.

PussyLiccker
02-09-17, 06:25
How was Atmos? I would really like to know your experience (optics, service, price etc.) with apartments scene. Hamburg is one of the cities I want to visit, may be during some other trip.My info can't be much use for how it is currently, my visit was quite awhile back (years ago). It was one of the destinations I stopped by on a extended tour I did to see as much as could. I just have a vague recollection of unimpressive facilities at a smaller scale. Not many girls, but there was the usual mix of Polish(at the time as there were more Polish girls around in other places as well), rare German, and Romanians for the times, but at a small scale. Kino was memorable, as it was as bad as the Aca Kino. LOL. Proposed extras for BBBJ was new to me at the time.

All in all, I wasn't impressed with club comparatively to places I've gone during the tour in other regions like NRW, Hessen, and Artemis. I visited one of the better apartments, typical RLD type place in a several story apt building, and met a nice German that was more GFE than what you'd typically expect from those sort of venues(that was the most memorable part of the visit as I was used to getting just basic routine service at RLDs), but not sure if girls in Hamburg apartments are better.

With the greater presence of Romies and all places now, I am curious if Hamburg is currently similar.

Lalabo
02-11-17, 04:30
My info can't be much use for how it is currently, my visit was quite awhile back (years ago). It was one of the destinations I stopped by on a extended tour I did to see as much as could. I just have a vague recollection of unimpressive facilities at a smaller scale. Not many girls, but there was the usual mix of Polish(at the time as there were more Polish girls around in other places as well), rare German, and Romanians for the times, but at a small scale. Kino was memorable, as it was as bad as the Aca Kino. LOL. Proposed extras for BBBJ was new to me at the time.

All in all, I wasn't impressed with club comparatively to places I've gone during the tour in other regions like NRW, Hessen, and Artemis. I visited one of the better apartments, typical RLD type place in a several story apt building, and met a nice German that was more GFE than what you'd typically expect from those sort of venues(that was the most memorable part of the visit as I was used to getting just basic routine service at RLDs), but not sure if girls in Hamburg apartments are better.

With the greater presence of Romies and all places now, I am curious if Hamburg is currently similar.I appreciate the info. The situation seems to be not as bad as you have experienced based on recent Cane's reviews. It doesn't mean its going to stay that way when I visit but I hope it would.

MamalaPenga
02-11-17, 15:39
Just arrived in Hamburg. Have read about FKK-Babylon (still not sure what FKK stands for. Haha) and I have one question I did not see answered. Is it pretty American friendly? Is Saturday a bad day to go? Seems like it would be very busy. But that could be a good thing. Just looking for suggestions. I have not been Hamburg in a very long time.

PussyLiccker
02-11-17, 17:53
Just my opinion and like I said, not current and really didn't session at Atmos (and no opinion on ther other clubs as I've not visited them) so no real opinion regarding sessions. Back then, my opinion was relative to the states of many clubs, which was better all around IMO.

I think one of the factors that has me not going there is the long drive and the less standard pricing of services. But, also I curious about the quality of the LU with the diversity. You'd still have to see the LU despite mixed LU mentioned to see if there are a greater chances to find your types and of course services.

If you do check it out, would be intereated in your reports.

Hessen Bub
02-11-17, 18:47
Just arrived in Hamburg. Have read about FKK-Babylon (still not sure what FKK stands for. Haha) and I have one question I did not see answered. Is it pretty American friendly? Is Saturday a bad day to go? Seems like it would be very busy. But that could be a good thing. Just looking for suggestions. I have not been Hamburg in a very long time.The Cane just posted a trip report from Babylon.

HB.

Trans Atlantic
02-11-17, 23:11
Just arrived in Hamburg. Have read about FKK-Babylon (still not sure what FKK stands for. Haha) and I have one question I did not see answered. Is it pretty American friendly? Is Saturday a bad day to go? Seems like it would be very busy. But that could be a good thing. Just looking for suggestions. I have not been Hamburg in a very long time.


Just my opinion and like I said, not current and really didn't session at Atmos (and no opinion on ther other clubs as I've not visited them) so no real opinion regarding sessions. Back then, my opinion was relative to the states of many clubs, which was better all around IMO.

I think one of the factors that has me not going there is the long drive and the less standard pricing of services. But, also I curious about the quality of the LU with the diversity. You'd still have to see the LU despite mixed LU mentioned to see if there are a greater chances to find your types and of course services.

If you do check it out, would be intereated in your reports.I like Harmony both times I've been there. Definitely a bit more German girls than typical NRW clubs but they were more for optifuck than anything (which was fine by me as I was looking for a 20yo blonde slim German to session with). As you said, the pain is that it is out of the way for just two clubs.

English is fine at both Atmos and Harmony. I guess the whole extra charge for BBBJ officially becomes a moot point come this summer. I'm guessing girls either don't offer it or charge extra across the country.

PussyLiccker
02-12-17, 00:40
I like Harmony both times I've been there. Definitely a bit more German girls than typical NRW clubs but they were more for optifuck than anything (which was fine by me as I was looking for a 20yo blonde slim German to session with). As you said, the pain is that it is out of the way for just two clubs.

English is fine at both Atmos and Harmony. I guess the whole extra charge for BBBJ officially becomes a moot point come this summer. I'm guessing girls either don't offer it or charge extra across the country.I've always had interest in revisiting Hamburg, to do a more thorough look around.

Why such an interest in Hamburg? Like you I've met some German Optis from that part (elsewhere though).

Cassandra, De, Oase 2012.

Jane, De, GT.

Stella, De, Palace.

Candy and her friend, Oceans.

And others I've met at various clubs. So, I'm thinking why not the clubs around the source? Makes sense to me.

As long as there are good amount of optis, I'm interested.

Would you say the avg LU of the girls, especially the Poles and Germans are in low to mid 20's?

The Cane
02-12-17, 04:28
As you said, the pain is that it is out of the way for just two clubs.You have more than two FKK clubs to choose from in the Hamburg metro area. You have four:

http://atmos-fkk.de/en/home-page/

http://www.fkk-babylon.com/en/home

http://www.saunaclub-harmony.com/en/

http://www.fkk-125-hh.de/

So far, I like FKK Babylon Hamburg the best, and I plan to go again on Sunday. Luckily, it's not far from my hotel at all LOL! Also, I would definitely repeat Atmos and Harmony during any future visit to Hamburg. I really cannot say anything one way or the other about FKK 125 as I have not been there. Was hoping somebody who has would chime in with some useful intel.

ExpatLover
02-12-17, 07:39
I like Harmony both times I've been there. Definitely a bit more German girls than typical NRW clubs but they were more for optifuck than anything (which was fine by me as I was looking for a 20yo blonde slim German to session with). As you said, the pain is that it is out of the way for just two clubs.

English is fine at both Atmos and Harmony. I guess the whole extra charge for BBBJ officially becomes a moot point come this summer. I'm guessing girls either don't offer it or charge extra across the country.I think you are right most of the girls will not offer it like today AO, only the desperate one will do it. All the young and beautiful girls are doing regular medical check and they are very serious about their health even for 1000 euros they all refuse AO, they will also refuse BJ without condom.

Mac75
02-12-17, 08:32
There is also another club FKK Romeo, website: http://www.fkk-hh.de.

I was there once before back in Dec 2006 so very long time ago! I had a good time though.

By the looks of it FKK 125 doesn't exist anymore. It doesn't show up on Google maps and that website for it talks about the entrance fee in DM not EUR so I'm guessing it's long gone.

Shark16
02-12-17, 10:19
By the looks of it FKK 125 doesn't exist anymore. It doesn't show up on Google maps and that website for it talks about the entrance fee in DM not EUR so I'm guessing it's long gone.Wasn't that club closed around 4- 5 years ago? I would definitively give them a call before going just to make sure there is something there. Sweet memories!

Cane, thanks for your great reports.

The Cane
02-12-17, 11:11
There is also another club FKK Romeo, website: http://www.fkk-hh.de. I was there once before back in Dec 2006 so very long time ago! I had a good time though.Thanks for the update Mac75 and Shark16. So, looks like still 4 choices in Hamburg. Scrap FKK 125 but add in FKK Romeo. Don't think I will make Romeo this trip in preference for returning to FKK Babylon Hamburg. Maybe next time!

Hessen Bub
02-12-17, 11:18
AFAIK FKK 125 doesn't exist anymore. Can't find it on FKK24. De and their website still has prices in DM.

HB.

RaynKnight11
02-12-17, 13:11
Hey all,

I had a question with regards to the guys that frequent a FKK.

More over their body types. Not in a weird way, but I'm heading to Frankfurt for a trip and plan on going to a few FKK's but thinking on it I'm not the best built guy in the world. Fairly skinny actually. Been hitting the gym recently so there's some definition but I'm not big by any means. I'm wondering if I should expect the other guys there to be all body builder types with me feeling puny and weak, or if there is usually a mix and so I won't be left out by the girls in favor of better built men.

Weird question I know, but only just occurred to me!

FiddyCent
02-12-17, 19:06
Hey all,

I had a question with regards to the guys that frequent a FKK.

More over their body types. Not in a weird way, but I'm heading to Frankfurt for a trip and plan on going to a few FKK's but thinking on it I'm not the best built guy in the world. Fairly skinny actually. Been hitting the gym recently so there's some definition but I'm not big by any means. I'm wondering if I should expect the other guys there to be all body builder types with me feeling puny and weak, or if there is usually a mix and so I won't be left out by the girls in favor of better built men.

Weird question I know, but only just occurred to me!Hey RaynKnight11.

Don't worry. Men of all builds will be at the FKKs. Young, old, skinny, fat, muscular, whatever. Bottom line is, the girls don't give a shYt. They just want your business. I am sure you will do fine with the ladies. This is all in your head.

FiddyCent.

Jmioffe
02-12-17, 21:45
I'm wondering if I should expect the other guys there to be all body builder types with me feeling puny and weak, or if there is usually a mix and so I won't be left out by the girls in favor of better built men. You'll be fine. Simple equation to WGs:

Unattractive guy with lots of euros beats Attractive guy with a few euros.

Attractive guy with a few euros beats Unattractive guy with a few euros.

Unattractive guy with a few euros beats Attractive guy with no euros.

Euros is the deciding factor. That's why they're doing this job.

The definition of "Unattractive" is as you know it: unfit, old, demanding, unfunny, ugly, smelly, mean.

The definition "Attractive" is as you know it too -- nice to talk to, nice to look at, nice smelling -- but counter-intuitively it often also includes not having a large penis and finishing quickly.

If you smell nice and act nice, you're probably more attractive to than a fitter guy who's a pain in the ass and will wear them out. FKK world is a little different from the outside world.

FiddyCent
02-12-17, 23:54
You'll be fine. Simple equation to WGs:

Unattractive guy with lots of euros beats Attractive guy with a few euros.

Attractive guy with a few euros beats Unattractive guy with a few euros.

Unattractive guy with a few euros beats Attractive guy with no euros.

Euros is the deciding factor. That's why they're doing this job.

The definition of "Unattractive" is as you know it: unfit, old, demanding, unfunny, ugly, smelly, mean.

The definition "Attractive" is as you know it too -- nice to talk to, nice to look at, nice smelling -- but counter-intuitively it often also includes not having a large penis and finishing quickly.

If you smell nice and act nice, you're probably more attractive to than a fitter guy who's a pain in the ass and will wear them out. FKK world is a little different from the outside world.With all due respect Jmioffe, and I am not disagreeing with you, but you put him in a situation where he will be singled out as a newb and bait for the sharks. Sure, smelling nice and acting nice are advantages, but that makes one easy prey. A guy needs to go in with a game plan. A Euro equals a Euro to the working girl, no matter who it comes from. RK11's issue is one of confidence. He needs to go meet a girl with his A-Game, not worry about how the other guys look and focus on closing the right deal for the right price. Interview a few, or interview many girls before selecting one to the room. If you stay at a club long enough, she will return to say Hi more than one time. I guarantee it. You don't need to flash Euros. Just sit at the couches and wait for the girl to walk by. Chat with her and see if there is chemistry. Tell her what you expect and see if she delivers. You could negotiate a 30 minute session and extend it if you like her. The only questions you should be asking is if she offers anal and CIM. Most of them do. Kissing should be standard. If you do not get the feeling she will kiss you in the room, say sorry and wait for the next girl. That's all. SIMPLE! Take no BS.

FiddyCent.

PussyLiccker
02-13-17, 00:54
Hey all,

I had a question with regards to the guys that frequent a FKK.

More over their body types. Not in a weird way, but I'm heading to Frankfurt for a trip and plan on going to a few FKK's but thinking on it I'm not the best built guy in the world. Fairly skinny actually. Been hitting the gym recently so there's some definition but I'm not big by any means. I'm wondering if I should expect the other guys there to be all body builder types with me feeling puny and weak, or if there is usually a mix and so I won't be left out by the girls in favor of better built men.

Weird question I know, but only just occurred to me!It's a brothel, it's a P6 business It's not like you are going out on a night-club to pick-up chicks, so like Jimioff says, it's a different world. You are there to find a girl to your liking to pay for her services, much different. So, the girls are open to working with various types of clients like Fiddy says.

Girls are willing to give you sexual services as long as you pay for the time. Most importantly, know the pricing of different services for the clubs you are looking to attend, and like Fiddy rightfully says kissing should be part of the standard pay rate of time, and CIM and Anal are typically extras services for additional money beyond the half hr rate you pay for.

Banana Boi
02-13-17, 01:12
I'm not the best built guy in the world. Fairly skinny actually. No worries guy. Many are overweight. Many are very old. Many are bald. Many have hairy backs. Many have zero sense of humor. All that matters is you don't smell, you aren't rude, and you have money!

Solo Traveler
02-13-17, 01:45
You'll be fine. Simple equation to WGs:
Unattractive guy with lots of euros beats Attractive guy with a few euros.Then Mondial's Turkish boss must be the most attractive man in the world for WGs.

Saw him and introduced by other guests, when I visited Mondial.

Young, fit, muscular, and have more than just Euros, instead, providing a club that make Euros for WGs.

It seems that some Turkish migrants in Germany are of that type. Young and wealthy business owners.

Interesting observation of the German society.

Jmioffe
02-13-17, 03:18
With all due respect Jmioffe, and I am not disagreeing with you, but you put him in a situation where he will be singled out as a newb and bait for the sharks. Sure, smelling nice and acting nice are advantages, but that makes one easy prey. A guy needs to go in with a game plan.... Ok, that's good advice, I won't deny your point of view. I'm pretty laid back, but I'm also pretty good at reading people, so I haven't been bitten by sharks too often. It may be different if the monger is more naive, true.

FiddyCent
02-13-17, 05:44
Ok, that's good advice, I won't deny your point of view. I'm pretty laid back, but I'm also pretty good at reading people, so I haven't been bitten by sharks too often. It may be different if the monger is more naive, true.I am sure you have RK11's best interests at heart Jmioffe. It is good that you are understanding and have a laid back attitude. He, on the other hand, just needs confidence. My game plan for him is to focus only on the girls and nothing else. You don't want to put too many thoughts in his head and just enjoy his experience without the distraction of the fellow punter's muscles. Your point of view is always welcome and makes for good debate.

FiddyCent.

PussyLiccker
02-13-17, 06:09
Then Mondial's Turkish boss must be the most attractive man in the world for WGs.

Saw him and introduced by other guests, when I visited Mondial.

Young, fit, muscular, and have more than just Euros, instead, providing a club that make Euros for WGs.

It seems that some Turkish migrants in Germany are of that type. Young and wealthy business owners.

Interesting observation of the German society.How often have we heard of Turkish club owners? I think now a days a lot of the clubs are owned by Turkish. Magnum, PHG, VV, Artemis, Oceans, Sharks, Mondial, Samya, Aca, and there's probably others I'm not aware of.

Way back I heard that Magnum was co-owned by Turkish and German. Was two different clubs next to each other got joined. Now they run PHG and VV.

I've heard VV for awhile run by Polish, and before that perhaps Russians? GT I heard the couples that own the place are German and Russian.

RaynKnight11
02-13-17, 09:25
With all due respect Jmioffe, and I am not disagreeing with you, but you put him in a situation where he will be singled out as a newb and bait for the sharks. Sure, smelling nice and acting nice are advantages, but that makes one easy prey. A guy needs to go in with a game plan. A Euro equals a Euro to the working girl, no matter who it comes from. RK11's issue is one of confidence. He needs to go meet a girl with his A-Game, not worry about how the other guys look and focus on closing the right deal for the right price. Interview a few, or interview many girls before selecting one to the room. If you stay at a club long enough, she will return to say Hi more than one time. I guarantee it. You don't need to flash Euros. Just sit at the couches and wait for the girl to walk by. Chat with her and see if there is chemistry. Tell her what you expect and see if she delivers. You could negotiate a 30 minute session and extend it if you like her. The only questions you should be asking is if she offers anal and CIM. Most of them do. Kissing should be standard. If you do not get the feeling she will kiss you in the room, say sorry and wait for the next girl. That's all. SIMPLE! Take no BS.

FiddyCent.Thanks Fiddy and everyone! All good advice! Confidence is probably an issue with me, not that I'm a bad looking guy, just the lack of any discernible muscles has always held my confidence back. I get that it's a business and all that, but I'll be nervous enough with naked women around, didn't want the added gym feeling where I'm feeling inadequate also. But good to know that there's a mix of types there.

I'll go in with enough euros and will put on my best lion face to see how things go! I'm keen to make it a great trip! Should be there next week and will report back my experiences. Fingers crossed!

Sirioja
02-13-17, 11:09
How often have we heard of Turkish club owners? I think now a days a lot of the clubs are owned by Turkish. Magnum, PHG, VV, Artemis, Oceans, Sharks, Mondial, Samya, Aca, and there's probably others I'm not aware of.

Way back I heard that Magnum was co-owned by Turkish and German. Was two different clubs next to each other got joined. Now they run PHG and VV.

I've heard VV for awhile run by Polish, and before that perhaps Russians? GT I heard the couples that own the place are German and Russian.Managers are not owners. Many clubs have Turkish management.

FiddyCent
02-13-17, 17:36
Thanks Fiddy and everyone! All good advice! Confidence is probably an issue with me, not that I'm a bad looking guy, just the lack of any discernible muscles has always held my confidence back. I get that it's a business and all that, but I'll be nervous enough with naked women around, didn't want the added gym feeling where I'm feeling inadequate also. But good to know that there's a mix of types there.

I'll go in with enough euros and will put on my best lion face to see how things go! I'm keen to make it a great trip! Should be there next week and will report back my experiences. Fingers crossed!Hey RK11.

Interview as many girls as possible before going into the room with one. If you tell them it is your first time, the girls will sense your nervousness and will shark you. Here is a test. Find the hottest girl in the club and talk to her. Then proceed to reject her. If you can do that, then you have passed the test. Don't worry. Chances are she will be back or you will find another girl who is even hotter. Stay cool bro! You will be fine. Focus on her body and not your own. You don't want any performance anxiety either.

Good luck.

FiddyCent

EruditeGent
02-13-17, 23:46
Hey RK11.

Interview as many girls as possible before going into the room with one. If you tell them it is your first time, the girls will sense your nervousness and will shark you. Here is a test. Find the hottest girl in the club and talk to her. Then proceed to reject her. If you can do that, then you have passed the test. Don't worry. Chances are she will be back or you will find another girl who is even hotter. Stay cool bro! You will be fine. Focus on her body and not your own. You don't want any performance anxiety either.

Good luck.

FiddyCentWhen you say interview, is it small talk about where they are from, how long in FKK, etc or more about their service?

FiddyCent
02-14-17, 01:38
When you say interview, is it small talk about where they are from, how long in FKK, etc or more about their service?Yes, EruditeGent. That is exactly it! Let me give you an example to illustrate. The girls will try to gather as much information from you to see how they can extract the most money out of you. I will set up the scenario with a moderately attractive girl who approaches your couch.

Girl: Hi! How are you?

EG: Fine. How are you?

Girl: Where you from?

EG: (Country).

Girl: Is this your first time here?

EG: Yes, but I have been to many other FKKs (name a few others).

Girl: Would you like to relax, and have a massage? Come to the room with me? Etc. Etc.

EG: (If you like her) Maybe. Tell me what you like to do in the room? (If you don't like her), just say NO.

Once you have established a connection, just ask her name and say that you just arrived at the club or you want to get some food and drink first before going for a session. Give her a look in the eye and see if she comes in for a kiss. That is a very good indicator of how she will be in the room. Sometimes, I will tell a girl that I am waiting for a particular girl or you will look for her later. Always, send her away. You may be getting a raging hard on if she grabs your package. RESIST! That puts you in control for the next meeting. I guarantee she will be back. REPEAT. REPEAT. Find the girl you want and then suggest to go up to the room and extend if you like her. Of course, if the place is busy, you lose your advantage. The girl will just move on to the next guy. If the club is empty with fewer men, you have the advantage.

Good luck.

FiddyCent.

CT Dude
02-15-17, 02:00
I haven't been to Germany since 2009, and then only to GT, so I'm not sure if the pricing has changed. I definitely want to be clear before I return in a couple weeks. I rarely even go for anything other than an extended session, but I still try to live by the boy scout motto, Be Prepared! I've been hoping this would come up so I wouldn't have to ask, but I haven't seen it anywhere (except Aldi, and I won't be going there).

So last time I was at GT, hour sessions were 75, and anal was an extra 50, but even then there was talk of prices going up soon. Did that ever happen? And then the big Hessen clubs, hour sessions are 100 and anal is an extra 100, right?

Sirioja
02-15-17, 02:20
I haven't been to Germany since 2009, and then only to GT, so I'm not sure if the pricing has changed. I definitely want to be clear before I return in a couple weeks. I rarely even go for anything other than an extended session, but I still try to live by the boy scout motto, Be Prepared! I've been hoping this would come up so I wouldn't have to ask, but I haven't seen it anywhere (except Aldi, and I won't be going there).

So last time I was at GT, hour sessions were 75, and anal was an extra 50, but even then there was talk of prices going up soon. Did that ever happen? And then the big Hessen clubs, hour sessions are 100 and anal is an extra 100, right?Now, GT, LR and Samya are 100/ h like in Hessen. Only H7, Aca and Gold are 80/ h or 40/30 mn. Usually in NRW, CIM is 25 and anal 50 when provided. CIM is 50 and anal 100 in Hessen. Some Oase girls ask for more for anal and can t really provide deep for normal size.

CT Dude
02-15-17, 05:52
Great, thanks Sirioja.

Hermann666
02-15-17, 07:20
Now, GT, LR and Samya are 100/ h like in Hessen. Only H7, Aca and Gold are 80/ h or 40/30 mn. Usually in NRW, CIM is 25 and anal 50 when provided. CIM is 50 and anal 100 in Hessen. Some Oase girls ask for more for anal and can t really provide deep for normal size.Sirioja, what is your opinion of H7? Compared to LR?

Pistons
02-15-17, 08:56
Has anyone here been to the dortmund clubs such as FKK Great Palace and Aplerbeck Saunaclub?

Sirioja
02-15-17, 09:02
Sirioja, what is your opinion of H7? Compared to LR?As a Romanian GFE lover, LR is my paradise since Sharks fell for me since September. Even with free entry on early day, breakfast for free, foods all day for free, girls for 40/30 mn, even being advised many times, I didn't visit H7. About 15 girls there.

Sirioja
02-15-17, 09:08
Has anyone here been to the dortmund clubs such as FKK Great Palace and Aplerbeck Saunaclub?Great Palace is around Dusseldorf, Castrop Rauxel, couldn't find a girl attractive for me on week end, no Trixi. De, maybe I was unlucky. I think happy hour on early day.

BigBuddy69
02-15-17, 09:24
I've been to Great Palace once last year.

The theke is hot. The club is rather big (bigger than Finca I'd say) and relatively new. Look like an arabian palace. Not a lot of girls but I was there on a slow day. They're all naked and rather good looking. Food is OK (better than in Aca). 40 for 30 minutes. The first girl was good (Eliza), the second girl was average (Betty). Betty works now in PHG. There is an happy hour but I don't remember when. The ambiance is quiet, no real approach. There must be a swimming pool now. I may come back this week.

It's very close to Freude 39.

Other clubs where you don't have to pay 100 € for one hour: Love Saunaclub in Munster, XS Sauna club in Bochum (70€), Club Laluna, Villa Marisol (75€ but some girls ask for 100), all the RTC clubs. Maybe Luder Lounge.

ExpatLover
02-15-17, 13:02
I haven't been to Germany since 2009, and then only to GT, so I'm not sure if the pricing has changed. I definitely want to be clear before I return in a couple weeks. I rarely even go for anything other than an extended session, but I still try to live by the boy scout motto, Be Prepared! I've been hoping this would come up so I wouldn't have to ask, but I haven't seen it anywhere (except Aldi, and I won't be going there).

So last time I was at GT, hour sessions were 75, and anal was an extra 50, but even then there was talk of prices going up soon. Did that ever happen? And then the big Hessen clubs, hour sessions are 100 and anal is an extra 100, right?Difficult to get anal with a nice girl for 50 euros, close to impossible in Hessen except a desperate girl, will be in New in the coming days so will post latter.

Sirioja
02-15-17, 18:22
Difficult to get anal with a nice girl for 50 euros, close to impossible in Hessen except a desperate girl, will be in New in the coming days so will post latter.50 is usual rate for anal in NRW, except at Oceans. Sometimes, even for free for over 1h 30 rooms. I won t name anal girls on this forum.

Maxime
02-15-17, 19:43
Has anyone here been to the dortmund clubs such as FKK Great Palace and Aplerbeck Saunaclub?Great Palace (former Amnesia) is close to the highway, and nice club in infrastructure. Girls are not special and not worth the visit IMHO.

Luder Lounge and Club Neby are much better on the girls department, but lack large club facilities. Service of the girls is high tough. If you are into more sleezy club, go to Freude 39 (RTC concept).

ExpatLover
02-15-17, 19:53
Great Palace (former Amnesia) is close to the highway, and nice club in infrastructure. Girls are not special and not worth the visit IMHO.

Luder Lounge and Club Neby are much better on the girls department, but lack large club facilities. Service of the girls is high tough. If you are into more sleezy club, go to Freude 39 (RTC concept).Thanks but so which club should I visit in NRW, I am very familiar with the Hessen one?

Craiova
02-15-17, 20:07
Spend some hours last summer at Great Palace. Entry 45 Euro, hh cheaper. 30 minutes service only 40 euro. Food so la la, below top clubs. I don't like the arabian style interior fittings, also strange smell inside the club. During day low business, more crowded at night than also many Turkish guys. Before late afternoon only around 5 girls, more than later. No stunners, my only room was for 40 euro quite good. Prefer other clubs around Duesseldorf.

Sirioja
02-15-17, 20:45
Great Palace is around Dusseldorf, Castrop Rauxel, couldn't find a girl attractive for me on week end, no Trixi. De, maybe I was unlucky. I think happy hour on early day.Happy hours are 30, on early day or at night.

Free Dude
02-15-17, 21:50
Again the ridiculous Frenchman, because GP isn't particularly close to Dusseldorf. Castrop Rauxel is between Bochum and Dortmund (and a bit north of both). Since it's opening it has been hit and miss. Since they stopped being FKK they clearly have started to be more like Acapulco and the like (as in crap service). Jessica is good, but girls long time girls like Anka, Ioanna and Giulia are nothing special. Most new girls seem not to even reach those standards. In weekends there can be a decent amount of German girls, who are also very popular. In the smoking tent you can practice your Romanian when the girls are talking to their current or future pimps.

After a hopeful start, the club has kind of vanished from my to do list. Still a combination of decent sex in Neby or Luderlounge (as Maxime rightfully points out) and a relaxed evening in GP is a possibility. Personally, at the moment I'd rather spent the evening to watch pretty girls in Acapulco or have fun with silly newbies in Penelope (sex typically crap in both of those places). Silliness with decent sex can also be combined in Freude, but there you have that scary AO stuff hanging around in the air.

SvenFKK
02-15-17, 22:10
Difficult to get anal with a nice girl for 50 euros, close to impossible in Hessen except a desperate girl, will be in New in the coming days so will post latter.Andrea at Dietzenbach does anal. She is not ugly. She is nice. She is good in bed. I've had wonderful experiences with her. Standard session, EUR 30,30 minutes: massage (good), DATY (nice orgasm from her), fucking in all holes, great BBBJCIM. What more do you want?

Craiova
02-15-17, 22:24
Andrea at Dietzenbach does anal. She is not ugly. She is nice. She is good in bed. I've had wonderful experiences with her. Standard session, EUR 30,30 minutes: massage (good), DATY (nice orgasm from her), fucking in all holes, great BBBJCIM. What more do you want?Andrea's BJ real top class inclusive DT. I also enjoyed fucking her in ass but I've heard now she doesn't do anal anymore.

ExpatLover
02-16-17, 01:32
Andrea at Dietzenbach does anal. She is not ugly. She is nice. She is good in bed. I've had wonderful experiences with her. Standard session, EUR 30,30 minutes: massage (good), DATY (nice orgasm from her), fucking in all holes, great BBBJCIM. What more do you want?Nothing, but this is one girl we can t all session the same girl she will be exhausted very soon. My comment was just to bring the attention that mostly we have to pay 100 to get anal.

BigBuddy69
02-16-17, 07:26
Thanks free dude, I didn't know that great palace was not a FKK anymore.

Sirioja
02-16-17, 09:35
Again the ridiculous Frenchman shows he is full of shit, because GP isn't particularly close to dusseldorf. Castrop Rauxel is between Bochum and Dortmund (and a bit north of both).
Still a combination of decent sex in Neby or Luderlounge (as Maxime rightfully points out) and a relaxed evening in GP is a possibilty. Personally, at the moment I'd rather spent the evening to watch pretty girls in Acapulco or have fun with silly newbies in Penelope (sex typically crap in both of those places). Silliness with decent sex can also be combined in Freude, but there you have that scary AO stuff hanging around in the air.Thanks for your insults, I'm certainly known to give fake informations. For me Castrop Rauxel is as close to Dusseldorf than World to Frankfurt, why I use close, with car, not walking of course.

Hessen Bub
02-16-17, 10:59
Andrea's BJ real top class inclusive DT. I also enjoyed fucking her in ass but I've heard now she doesn't do anal anymore.Correct. No anal but CIM.

HB.

Kliens
02-23-17, 07:33
Hello,

I'm planning a trip to Frankfurt for late March. The plan is to arrive at Frankfurt Airport on Friday afternoon or evening, check into an airport hotel, then visit either nearby Mainhattan or Palace that night. All day Saturday will be spent at Sharks, and all day Sunday at Oase. On Monday, I fly out. The entire time I plan on using public transit. So, my questions:

1) My weekend is flexible. Should I visit Oase on Saturday and Sharks on Sunday instead, or does it not matter?

2) Is anything particularly interesting going on at any of the Frankfurt-area FKKs on Thursdays besides Oase's lingerie day?

3) Are there always taxis waiting at the station where the Airliner drops you off in Darmstadt? Will Sharks call a taxi to get you back to the station when you're ready to leave?

4) Why are there 4 fare categories for each type of ticket on the Airline timetable PDF?

5) Are there any other FKKs accessible without a car in the area I should consider or have I done my research well?

Thanks!

NoTaWorry
02-23-17, 17:11
Club Suggestions? Know of any Any great young providers who are actually bi or even lesbian?

I've never seen a female guest at LR or GT. Seen a few at Sharks. Do all the clubs allow women visitors / patrons? Thanks in advance. 🙏.

Off topic but maybe someone knows. Any good regular dance clubs in Frankfurt area or Köln area for a couple to pick up another girl?

Cheers. 🍻.

Maxime
02-23-17, 17:54
In Oase I did see a couple few times. They are treated like men (so pay entree, have wardrobe, and pay 50 euro when going to room with a girl, so for trio you pay 2 x50 for half hour. Or even more, since it is Oase, and 100 euro is the norm nowadays, tp please all the tourists! .).

ExpatLover
02-23-17, 19:28
Club Suggestions? Know of any Any great young providers who are actually bi or even lesbian?

I've never seen a female guest at LR or GT. Seen a few at Sharks. Do all the clubs allow women visitors / patrons? Thanks in advance. 🙏.

Off topic but maybe someone knows. Any good regular dance clubs in Frankfurt area or Kln area for a couple to pick up another girl?

Cheers. 🍻.You can easily visit Oase or Shark, to pick up a girl it is better to book an escort using KM for example.

UltraHappy
03-13-17, 03:03
Club Suggestions? Do all the clubs allow women visitors / patrons? Thanks in advance.
Cheers.Since about two months ago, Sharks stopped allowing female guests. If you show up with a female guest, neither of you will be allowed entry (unless you make her wait out in the car, haha).

Mainhattan and Oase still gladly allow female guests. World also allowed female guests the last I visited but that was quite a while ago. I'm curious whether clubs may change their stance on female guests after July 1st. In NRW, in my experience, clubs appear to be more restrictive on allowing female guests.

Pistons
03-13-17, 11:02
Why can't the girl just dress up nicely and pose as any of the other girls?

UltraHappy
03-13-17, 23:59
Why can't the girl just dress up nicely and pose as any of the other girls?Yes, that will work fine until someone recognizes her as a former working girl and tattles to Reception. Then, Reception will come over, pull you aside, and have a special talk with you.

Unfortunately, FKK Rom doesn't tell couples about this special secret rule of theirs until it is time to kick you out. So, unless you heard about this rule before from someone who has been kicked out, it turns out to be a bit of a surprise when it happens.

Well, at least now I can proudly and truthfully claim that I have been kicked out of an FKK before.

How many of you can claim the same?

Craiova
03-14-17, 00:06
Yes, that will work fine until someone recognizes her as a former working girl and tattles to Reception. Then, Reception will come over, pull you aside, and have a special talk with you.

Unfortunately, FKK Rom doesn't tell couples about this special secret rule of theirs until it is time to kick you out. So, unless you heard about this rule before from someone who has been kicked out, it turns out to be a bit of a surprise when it happens.

Well, at least now I can proudly and truthfully claim that I have been kicked out of an FKK before.

How many of you can claim the same?At least I hope you get the entry fee back?

And visit FKK Rom really good idea bring a girl with you.

UltraHappy
03-14-17, 00:41
At least I hope you get the entry fee back?
Yes, both of our entry fees were kindly refunded.

But I found it odd and poor customer service when Reception refused to explain the reason for their rule when politely asked. If you're going to kick someone out, you could at least have the courtesy to explain why it is that the club has a problem with guests who previously worked in the industry when a customer politely asks. But it quickly became evident that they were absolutely not going to share their reason for this rule. I realize they don't have to explain -- it's their club, they can make whatever rules they want (so long as their rules are not illegal of course). I'm just saying I found their refusal to answer to be rude is all.

That being said, I am pleased that they refunded our entry fees. And I will openly admit that other than the aforementioned refusal to answer my simple question, they were quite polite and professional about everything else. It's just a shame that I was not able to properly visit the club and like so, share my impressions with everyone. My time in the locker room and my 8 minutes in the club lounge certainly wasn't sufficient to render a proper trip report.

Member #4585
03-14-17, 00:53
My time in the locker room and my 8 minutes in the club lounge certainly wasn't sufficient to render a proper trip report.If its any consolation, you did not miss much. Rom is like a NRW club in size. In your 8 minutes you would have seen a lot of the club.

Also, you have rendered a trip report as well as discussion points. Well done.

Takedown
03-14-17, 04:09
Since about two months ago, Sharks stopped allowing female guests. If you show up with a female guest, neither of you will be allowed entry (unless you make her wait out in the car, haha).
.Well this can't be true as I saw a female guest ther on Saturday, Febuary 25th. Others on this board who were there that night can also vouche for this.

Hessen Bub
03-14-17, 07:48
Well this can't be true as I saw a female guest ther on Saturday, Febuary 25th. Others on this board who were there that night can also vouche for this.What I read from UH is that he brought a former WG to the club. Management found out and kicked them out. Will not happen with a non WG.

HB.

Craiova
03-14-17, 09:28
What's the reason for the different treatment if (ex) WG or not? And what's the connection with the new law on July 1st?

Either they allow female guests or not but this rule is ridiculous. What's the definition of an ex WG? Was once together with a more than 20 yo guy? LOL.

Hessen Bub
03-14-17, 09:30
Agreed, it is a stupid rule. If on that day she is there just as a guest and just with the guy she came in with, it doesn't matter if she was or is a WG. I have seen plenty of WG going on "escort dates" in a club, not their home club, but others.

HB.

Solo Traveler
03-17-17, 02:16
Andrea at Dietzenbach does anal. She is not ugly. She is nice. She is good in bed. I've had wonderful experiences with her. Standard session, EUR 30,30 minutes: massage (good), DATY (nice orgasm from her), fucking in all holes, great BBBJCIM. What more do you want?Is this the slim, black-haired, around 170 cm, Romanian Andrea who has been working before 2013?

Yes, she's the most good-looking one in Dietzenbach.

But to be fair, there are less than 3 women who can pass for being fuckable there.

Her appearance and attractiveness is obviously in a higher level than other women there. She can easily work in any big clubs, so it's interesting that she stays in a RTC for so long.

Maybe she can make more money in RTC than in Hessen big 5, because of the lack of competitors?

JohnyBravo
03-31-17, 12:38
Hello gentlemen!

I've finally planned another 7 nights trip to Germany with primary focus on exploring FKKs. This will be my second FKK trip to Germany.

Air Tickets: Booked.

Visa: Under process.

Hotel Bookings: I will book the hotels based on the final itinerary after I receive suggestions from fellow mongers.

Rental Car: Reserved a car at Frankfurt Airport from AVIS and SIXT (we will pick one based on the availability of car options with them on 28th April).

I and a friend of mine (we're both Indians) will land at 6:45 am at Frankfurt Airport on 28th April and I have planned the itinerary as follows:

Day 1. Friday, 28th April. FKK Sharks, Darmstadt. Club Highlight based on my last experience: Huge line up, great looking girls, less sharky than at Oase, great outdoor pool.

Day 2. Saturday, 29th April. Sauna Club LR, Dusseldorf. Club Highlight based on my last experience: Excellent GFE / service from decent looking girls, beer included in entry fee.

Day 3. Sunday, 30th April. FKK Samya, Cologne. Club Highlight based on my last experience: Night club waking up after 6/7 pm until 3 or 5 am, decent looking girls, above average service, beer included in entry fee.

Day 4. Monday, 1st May. FKK Babylon, Hamburg. Club Highlight based on my last experience: Have not been here yet. Drink free beer, eat free a la carte dinner, get yourself sucked in the bar. Girls from all over the place, and not just Romania, specially black chicks. Question: Will they not let us enter the club since we are Indians?

Day 5. Tuesday, 2nd May. Unable to decide, need suggestions.

My friend will leave for Frankfurt on 3rd May morning to meet his wife and they will go on a honeymoon tour within Europe. I will be travelling alone from here.

Day 6. Wednesday, 3rd May. FKK Bernd's. Club Highlight based on my last experience: Have not been here yet. BBBJ, CIM and sex included in E 50 for 30 minutes. Free alcohol. Sex in the lounge.

Day 7. Thursday, 4th May. Unable to decide, need suggestions.

Day 8. Friday, 5th April. Flight departure at 11:30 am from Frankfurt Airport.

During my last FKK trip to Germany in July 2016, I had visited the following clubs which I am avoiding in my upcoming trip:

- FKK Oase: Very sharky girls, average service. Will not visit again.

- Treff-188, Frankfurt: Unattractive girls, enjoyed 2 sessions of threesome with different women though. LOL! Will not visit again.

- Pauschalclub, Bochum: Lineup was 6-7 in terms of looks but the service was very average since it was a Flatrate "pay once and fuck as many times as you want" kind of a club. I did enjoy a terrific blowjob in public from a performer during a sex show. Might visit again if time and budget permit.

- Farell Lounge, Kaarst: Had group sex with the 3 female performers during 3 different sessions who were 4-5 in terms of looks. Saw real couples having public sex but could not join them because they did not invite me and due to my hesitation as well. Might visit again if time and budget permit.

I have added FKK Babylon, Hamburg and FKK Bernd's, Schieferhof to the itinerary of my upcoming tour. Not sure if Babylon will let us in.

I haven't booked any hotels yet but from what I've read on the forums, it's more convenient and economical to book a hotel near to the club you are visiting that day, have fun at the club, come back to the hotel at night, have breakfast the next morning, check out. Then check into a hotel near to the club at the next destination and repeat. This will save travel time.

I am on a tight budget and would need advice from fellow mongers on the following:

1. Itinerary: Does the itinerary planned above look doable in terms of sequence of clubs? I will be checking out of the hotel every morning and drive to the next destination, checking in to a new hotel and then visit the clubs. I am not sure where to go on Day 5 Tuesday, 2nd May and Day 7 Thursday, 4th May. The four options that I have are: a) Flatrate Pauschalclub in Bochum or Dortmund near Dusseldorf, b) Farell Lounge, Kaarst, c) Repeat one of the clubs, d) Visit it a new club (like Aca Gold, Oceans, etc). But due to shortage of time, unable to decide which one to visit.

2. Recommendation on Girls: Need recommendation on girls to meet from the various clubs mentioned above. I love GFE, MSOG, natural boobs, slim figure, BBBJ, rimming receiving and threesomes.

3. MSOG: I understand that most of the girls will only do 1 shot for a 30 minute (E50) session, but for 60 minute (E100) will have MSOG. Do most girls in all the clubs I've listed above offer MSOG for E100?

4. Suggestion on clubs: Should I replace visit to some of the above mentioned clubs with some better clubs? Request your suggestions. Will clubs be open on May 1?

5. Hotels: Request suggestions on budget hotels that I should book for the seven days. I will be driving and hence, distance will not be a problem.

Apologies for asking so many questions and thanks in advance for all the help and guidance.

My PM is active. Feel free to send me a message if any fellow monger will be around during my travel dates and would like to catch up.

I am spending minimum E 300 on accommodation, minimum E 1,500 on clubs (E500 entry fee + E 1000 on 21 sessions of 30 min each with girls at E 50 per session). I am visiting 7 FKK / Sauna Clubs and plan to have 3 sessions in each club. I will have around E 200 left from my trip budget of E 2,000 to spend on transportation, food, alcohol, sim card with internet data.

I will be completely broke by the time I complete this tour having spent Euro 3,000+ on my 7 night Germany tour. But on the positive side, I would have had sessions with 21 girls (3 sessions per FKK club x 7 clubs) bringing the cost per session to Euro 140 which seems worth the time, effort and money to me.

Cheers!

JohnyBravo.

Craiova
03-31-17, 18:33
Hello JB.

You have your personal reason the clubs you plan to go. But I wouldn't spend so much time, energy and money on german highways. I can't see any reason going to Hamburg for FKKing. Frankfurt together with Duesseldorf area offer enough top clubs no need for other region.

For hotel check the hotel searching websites booking and HRS, there you find the best deals.

JohnyBravo
03-31-17, 18:50
Thanks Craiova for the response.

I agree with your recommendation and will skip Babylon as it is quite far. Now I have 4 clubs (Sharks, LR, Samya, Bernd's) and 7 days. Which other 3 clubs should I visit in the remaining 3 days?

Cheers!

JohnyBravo.


Hello JB.

You have your personal reason the clubs you plan to go. But I wouldn't spend so much time, energy and money on german highways. I can't see any reason going to Hamburg for FKKing. Frankfurt together with Duesseldorf area offer enough top clubs no need for other region.

For hotel check the hotel searching websites booking and HRS, there you find the best deals.

Member #4581
03-31-17, 21:52
Personally, I'd rather pick a club or two I like and stay with them. At a club like sharks, there are more than 200 girls in the course of a week. Even if you sample 20 different girls that's just 10% of the total. For sure there are 20 different doable girls at Sharks. Why bother traveling so much and the hassles that come with it (unless sightseeing in various cities is part of your agenda).

So your friend is going on a honeymoon with his bride after 5 days of non stop clubbing. LOL.

JohnyBravo
03-31-17, 22:26
Sightseeing in various cities is not a part of my agenda as I had already covered it during my trip last year. I went to Sharks twice last year and loved the huge set up and the LU in terms of optics. Seeing more than 100 beautiful women roaming naked in front of me felt heavenly. I had 6 sessions 30 mins each there but did not get GFE from any of the ladies except one. The service was hurried. I definitely want to visit Sharks once. Then I also want to experience the sweet GFE women, cozy environment and Alt beer at LR. Next, I want to enjoy the Sunday partying with chicks and Kolsch beer at Samya. I haven't been to Bernd's and would love to enjoy the true FKK experience like BBBJ at the bar area and DFK+BBBJ+Sex+CIM for Euro 50. I'm also planning to visit Pauschalclub Dortmund to participate in one of the live sex shows with their performers.

This is a sex-adventure trip for me and I want to taste different flavors of Fkks in Germany, specially before the new law comes into effect on July 1. Also, I love driving and German roads are the best with higher speed limits and interesting scenery.

Hahaha. It took me a lot of effort to convince my friend for this trip and he agreed to come when I suggested that his wife can join him after 5 days. I think they will spend most of their honeymoon time sightseeing LOL!


Personally, I like to pick a club or two I like and stay with them. At a club like sharks, there are more than 200 girls in the course of a week. Even if you sample 20 different girls that's just 10% of the total. For sure there are 20 different doable girls at Sharks. Why bother traveling so much and the hassles that come with it (unless sightseeing in various cities is part of your agenda).

So your friend is going on a honeymoon tour after 5 days of non stop clubbing. LOL.

UltraHappy
03-31-17, 23:58
Hello gentlemen!

I've finally planned another 7 nights trip to Germany with primary focus on exploring FKKs. This will be my second FKK trip to Germany.

Apologies for asking so many questions and thanks in advance for all the help and guidance.

I will be completely broke by the time I complete this tour having spent Euro 3,000+ on my 7 night Germany tour.

Consider scheduling a recovery break day with no FKK around your 4th day in. On this day, sleep extra late, relax, go shopping, eat at nice restaurant, etc. This recovery day will enhance your enjoyability of your last few days and as another positive benefit, you will save some cash too! If you fuck every day for 7 days in a row, you will be tired and the sex will be less enjoyable on your 6th and 7th day. You want to end on a bang, so make sure you're well rested and recovered enough to thoroughly enjoy those last couple days of your trip! Or, you could just be your friend's wingman with no sex on your 4th day. Either way, a day without sex somewhere there in the middle of your trip is probably a good idea to prevent your little soldier from getting too worn out.

Also, if you're going to be there for 8 days, it will actually be cheaper for you to rent your car from a city location that is not the airport nor the central train station (Hauptbahnhof), which both charge a premium location fee. In this case, you would just take the train from the airport to one of the non-premium Sixt locations (for example in Bad Homburg if you're going to Oase, which it sounds like you've ruled out). The savings isn't huge -- but it's a little cheaper that way. Sixt is usually cheaper than Avis. I would compare Sixt's price from Sixt's web site to the price Enterprise offers when searching via Kayak (Enterprise often offers a lower price through Kayak than when searching direct from the Enterprise web site).

As far as hotels go, if you don't mind just the bare basics (but clean and modern), you are usually safe by staying at a hotel from the chain www.hotelbb.de -- this is often one of the more budget-friendly, affordable options. They have numerous locations in the various German cities.

Solo Traveler
04-01-17, 01:39
Day 4. Monday, 1st May. FKK Babylon, Hamburg. Club Highlight based on my last experience: Have not been here yet. Drink free beer, eat free a la carte dinner, get yourself sucked in the bar. Girls from all over the place, and not just Romania, specially black chicks. Question: Will they not let us enter the club since we are Indians?JohnyBravo,

Is the Babylon you mentioned the same one with banner in this forum? Because your description looks like it.

There are two clubs called Babylons. One is in North-Rhine-Westphalia and the other is in Hamburg. Please make it clear.

The reason why people always mention the two states, "Hesse" and "North-Rhine-Westphalia", is because there are more than 10 sizable clubs clustering in these two states, whereas in Hamburg, Berlin, or Bavaria (E. G. , Munich) there are only 1-2 clubs. Unless you plan to visit all other cities in Germany, it is easier and more laid-back to just traveling between Hesse and NRW.


Personally, I'd rather pick a club or two I like and stay with them.Personally, I adopt the same strategy as Jnpr30 suggested here.

If I find 1 club that really fits my taste, I stick with it, spend more time in that particular club, get to know the staff members, the girls, and even some local regulars there.

When I visit a club several days consecutively, the staff members and girls also treat me better. So, this is what I do.

My favorite club was Sharks, but after the "Minimum 100 Euro virus" spread to Sharks, I have no choice but to turn to NRW. Now, my current favorite club is Acapulco.

Pistons
04-01-17, 04:28
The only point with checking out more clubs is if you either just want to see how they are for one visit, or if you are just tired of the same old clubs and the interior location. Even at Artemis where I have been by far the most I have a few girls I still want to meet again. But the long drive between Berlin and frankfurt makes me question going there moving forward. The frankfurt and dusseldorf area just has more selections. Once you go to a club alot you get to know the girls and can sink down there a bit not feeling like you can move on. I don't know if that is good or bad. It depends on what you aim for.

What is enough clubs to check out is also dependant on how many visits you do per year or per trip. 2-3 clubs can be enough if you don't do more than 10-20 visits a year. Or you might want to rotate between 5 clubs if you do 30-50 visits a year. I feel it is the role of the locals to report from more clubs than the usual suspects as they may do 50-100 visits a year.

When that is said, I really dislike how so many of these girls roam around, not leaving any trace of where they went. So sometimes I consider just driving around to check out 20 clubs just to see if I can find one of these top girls I've only met once. In case they have a new home... but it does make them more free. Perhaps I should just lobby to get more whatsapp contacts :)

FormulaOneFan
04-01-17, 07:25
I could spend that entire trip time visiting just 2-3 clubs in the FRA or NRW area. So many new girls to try, and good performers to repeat with over that time frame.

FunExplorer
04-01-17, 07:33
Hello gentlemen!

I've finally planned another 7 nights trip to Germany with primary focus on exploring FKKs. This will be my second FKK trip to Germany.

Air Tickets: Booked.

Visa: Under process.

Hotel Bookings: I will book the hotels based on the final itinerary after I receive suggestions from fellow mongers.

Rental Car: Reserved a car at Frankfurt Airport from AVIS and SIXT (we will pick one based on the availability of car options with them on 28th April).

I and a friend of mine (we're both Indians) will land at 6:45 am at Frankfurt Airport on 28th April and I have planned the itinerary as follows:

Day 1. Friday, 28th April. FKK Sharks, Darmstadt. Club Highlight based on my last experience: Huge line up, great looking girls, less sharky than at Oase, great outdoor pool.

Day 2. Saturday, 29th April. Sauna Club LR, Dusseldorf. Club Highlight based on my last experience: Excellent GFE / service from decent looking girls, beer included in entry fee.

Day 3. Sunday, 30th April. FKK Samya, Cologne. Club Highlight based on my last experience: Night club waking up after 6/7 pm until 3 or 5 am, decent looking girls, above average service, beer included in entry fee..No FKK club denies entry based on nationality. So, you can visit any club without inhibition. I would rather not be visiting so many clubs.

The Cane
04-01-17, 08:02
But the long drive between Berlin and frankfurt makes me question going there moving forward. When that is said, I really dislike how so many of these girls roam around, not leaving any trace of where they went. So sometimes I consider just driving around to check out 20 clubs just to see if I can find one of these top girls I've only met once. In case they have a new home... but it does make them more free. Perhaps I should just lobby to get more whatsapp contacts :)Why don't you fly or take the train? And what I really dislike is the girls changing their stage name from one place to another. OK, I can see why somebody might want to move to another club, but do they have to change the name they're using too, making it harder to know where they are? Extremely annoying! Yeah, get WhatsApp numbers. That does make it easier to maintain contact. That is, if the girl chooses to respond. I had one respond to me until she figured I wouldn't be returning anytime soon. No money, no honey LOL! At least I don't have tutes hitting me up with sob stories asking for cash. And that's a good thing too since the only time they will get any money out of me is if they give that anus up hahaha!

Shark16
04-01-17, 10:48
I could spend that entire trip time visiting just 2-3 clubs in the FRA or NRW area. Me too. I suggest making room for "off days" and "revisiting" days. If a club works for you, then no shame in going back.

Pistons
04-01-17, 18:22
I once did 8 days in a row at Artemis. They thought I had moved in. Also done 6 in a row there.

Hessen Bub
04-01-17, 18:23
I once did 7 clubs in 7 days, but different clubs.

HB.

XXL
04-01-17, 18:48
I never visit the same club twice in a row. I regard doing FKKs as "doing a circuit" rather than "spending a holiday at a particular spot". Is it because I always drive my own car so moving about and changing hotels is no problem?

Or may be because I live in Germany (though neither in Hessen nor in NRW), if a particular club blows my mind I know I'll be able to revisit at fairly short notice?

It's not only changing FKKs and seeing new line-ups that seem to do me good. Changing hotels and criss-crossing different countrysides while having sex with different women gives me the sensation of living in the fast lane. In an ideal life (in which I were rich, famous & handsome) I would have a different mistress everywhere I went. Moving about and visiting different FKKs I have different mistresses wherever I go, sort of.

FormulaOneFan
04-01-17, 18:49
I once did 7 clubs in 7 days, but different clubs.

HB.I've done that too, but now that I've sampled lots of clubs, I prefer to settle in. I went to sharks so many times one trip Rosa asked if I had moved to Germany LOL.

The Cane
04-01-17, 19:17
I never visit the same club twice in a row. I regard doing FKKs as "doing a circuit" rather than "spending a holiday at a particular spot". It's not only changing FKKs and seeing new line-ups that seem to do me good. Changing hotels and criss-crossing different countrysides while having sex with different women gives me the sensation of living in the fast lane. In an ideal life (in which I were rich, famous & handsome) I would have a different mistress everywhere I went. Moving about and visiting different FKKs I have different mistresses wherever I go, sort of.A man after my own heart! This is exactly the way I see it. My touring all over Germany having sex with pretty girls is my idea of "living the life"!

Trans Atlantic
04-02-17, 02:43
Thanks Craiova for the response.

I agree with your recommendation and will skip Babylon as it is quite far. Now I have 4 clubs (Sharks, LR, Samya, Bernd's) and 7 days. Which other 3 clubs should I visit in the remaining 3 days?

Cheers!

JohnyBravo.In regards to hotel, I would definitely check to see if messe is in session near the clubs you are visiting on those dates because if there is a fair, you may find getting a hotel the day of difficult.

Pistons
04-02-17, 04:27
I've done that too, but now that I've sampled lots of clubs, I prefer to settle in. I went to sharks so many times one trip Rosa asked if I had moved to Germany LOL.But I believe that was the usual HB sarcasm.

To HB: but did you just fuck one girl per day, or 4?

I was too lazy to move away from berlin... And went public transport. Surely in hessen/nrw that would have been a waste. But personally I don't see the point in taking days off unless you stay longer than that.

Solo Traveler
04-02-17, 04:41
I knew one young guest who visited Sharks every day, at around midnight to closing time.

And I actually had a chat with him.

He said he came to club just to sit at the bar, relax, have a drink, watch the girls, sometimes have one session, sometimes no sessions at all.

And despite visiting every day, he did not buy any VIP cards, but paid the full 65 entry every day.

Foreigners like us who see FKK Sauna clubs as heaven on earth is actually making a big deal out of nothing.

For people like the young guest who lives nearby the clubs literally sees FKK Sauna clubs as ordinary bars, restaurants, or spas. He can't understand why foreigners are exciting to fly 12+ hours just to come to such an ordinary place.

LOL.

Hessen Bub
04-02-17, 08:48
To HB: but did you just fuck one girl per day, or 4?

3 to 4 per day, but that was in my long gone younger days.

HB.

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04-02-17, 13:59
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Solo Traveler
04-03-17, 11:36
Does any German members here know why is ice bear not accepting my registration?

German websites also block IP or Email outside of Europe?

If I join ice bear, I will have the motivation to learn German. There is a Goethe-Institute in my city where German language classes are offered all year. LOL.

Optimist
04-03-17, 17:33
It is a Netherlands forum. As far as I know there is no problem joining from outside the Netherlands. At least, I had no problem.

Craiova
04-03-17, 17:41
Polar bear forum is a some years old German version of the well known Dutch board. But Eisbaerenforum hasn't much intel about German clubs.

For NRW FKK clubs try Freiercafe or Rheinforum and for Hessen FKK clubs Lustscout or Roemerforum. There you'll find more reports than at polar bear.

FunExplorer
04-04-17, 08:42
I knew one young guest who visited Sharks every day, at around midnight to closing time.

And I actually had a chat with him.

He said he came to club just to sit at the bar, relax, have a drink, watch the girls, sometimes have one session, sometimes no sessions at all.

And despite visiting every day, he did not buy any VIP cards, but paid the full 65 entry every day.

Foreigners like us who see FKK Sauna clubs as heaven on earth is actually making a big deal out of nothing.

For people like the young guest who lives nearby the clubs literally sees FKK Sauna clubs as ordinary bars, restaurants, or spas. He can't understand why foreigners are exciting to fly 12+ hours just to come to such an ordinary place.

LOL.We foreigners visit these FKK clubs simply because they do not exist in our countries! If they did, probably, I would also be spending time in bar drinking beer and looking at those naked beauties!

Solo Traveler
04-19-17, 20:41
A quick question.

If you are in a club alone, and other guests harass you or make you uncomfortable, what should you do?

Report the problem to the reception? Does that work?

ExpatLover
04-19-17, 22:10
A quick question.

If you are in a club alone, and other guests harass you or make you uncomfortable, what should you do?

Report the problem to the reception? Does that work?Are you joking or what is your problem? Stop this thinking like in the school or kindergarden I have a problem and so I go to the teacher or reception, are we not old enough to solve the issue?

DaWong949
04-19-17, 23:05
A quick question.

If you are in a club alone, and other guests harass you or make you uncomfortable, what should you do?

Report the problem to the reception? Does that work?Solo,

I would talk to the guy before I approach the front desk. For most of us, we come for fun with girls. Guys may teased you without knowing that those words were really bad from your culture background. (I was raised in Beijing, so I knew what culture shock mean to me when I came to US 30 yrs ago.) Just talked with them, most likely they would say something like "sorry". However, if the guy just bully you, then you should take that to the front desk.

Member #4581
04-20-17, 01:37
A quick question.

If you are in a club alone, and other guests harass you or make you uncomfortable, what should you do?

Report the problem to the reception? Does that work?Depends on if you are built like Dwayne Johnson or Josh Brener, 😀.

Seriously, it is no different from being in any bar, I imagine. Try to defuse, walk away. If that doesn't work, tell the front desk, and if nothing is done, leave the club.

As a foreigner especially, it is definitely not worth getting into any fights in a place like FKK. In more ways than one.

Happened to me just once, at Sharks on my recent trip last month in fact. At around 1 PM, I went back back to my locker for something, there were some unruly loud guys (not Turks). One of them had my immediate next locker started barking something in some lingo (not sure if it was German or not) and held onto my locker door. He was very obviously drunk. I slowly pulled my door back from him, thanked him, walked away from my locker back into the club. They kept heckling and laughing, but I ignored and just left the locker room

Optimist
04-20-17, 11:14
A quick question.

If you are in a club alone, and other guests harass you or make you uncomfortable, what should you do?

Report the problem to the reception? Does that work?I agree with others that going to the desk is an absolute last resort. I have never been harassed in 14 years in FKK. On one occasion I had a potentially violent misunderstanding with a very angry guy but quickly defused it by staying calm, making openhanded gestures, saying sorry, and being friendly.

Go by your instinct: if you pick up any hint of a bad vibe then avoid eye contact and physical proximity. If someone is a it brusque with me then I assume it is language or cultural difference as I am not German and, so far, this means that all potentially difficult situations had ended in a comradely chat. I go for tolerance rather than fear.

I avoid loud mouth opinionated guests like the plague.

Hope this helps a little.

Carpe Viam
04-20-17, 20:56
It is not always a good idea to complain at reception especially for us.

In a big club in Frankfurt, a foreign client was assaulted by a local customer. But when they went to the front desk, this customer was recognized as an ISGer who writes negative things about this club. The management condemned him rather than the aggressor who was considered a justifier.


A quick question.

If you are in a club alone, and other guests harass you or make you uncomfortable, what should you do?

Report the problem to the reception? Does that work?

Banana Boi
04-20-17, 21:56
I'm curious to hear what was said to make you feel uncomfortable. You hear the odd racist remarks in a FKK (and even on ISG) with guys and girls calling an Asian "Bruce Lee" or "Chink" / "Jap" or a black guy / girl "Africa". There are many ignorant people in this world.

Vito Corleone
04-21-17, 09:02
A quick question.

If you are in a club alone, and other guests harass you or make you uncomfortable, what should you do?

Report the problem to the reception? Does that work?It depends. If it happens from enough distance then I just ignore it. If they throw it in my face then I respond in kind. If they have a problem with my response, then I'm ready to defend myself.

Vito Corleone
04-21-17, 09:06
Depends on if you are built like Dwayne Johnson or Josh Brener, 😀.
If you're trained in the art of self defense, size doesn't matter.

Optimist
04-21-17, 10:52
I'm curious to hear what was said to make you feel uncomfortable. You hear the odd racist remarks in a FKK (and even on ISG) with guys and girls calling an Asian "Bruce Lee" or "Chink" / "Jap" or a black guy / girl "Africa". There are many ignorant people in this world.Exactly. Such racially based remarks show an astonishing ignorance of the possible effect on the person who is the subject of the comment. Usually such remarks are not intended in any racist way (although they will feel like that to the recipient), but as a way for girls to open a chat e. G. Black men are quite regularly called out to as "Choco" or something similar, but the girls do not necessarily mean it in a bad way. As a white man even I am occasionally called to by some distinguishing feature: it's unpleasant to be on the receiving end but the girls do not mean to be insulting.

Member #4581
04-21-17, 12:47
The sensitivity to race relations is far higher in the US and perhaps UK, and then the Western EU nations. Most of us are professionals and if we said the wrong word at work, we could get fired. But in eastern EU, this sensitivity is much smaller. And many of these girls are not that educated to start with and their English is also not very good.

Yes, it's a bit jarring when they use such expressions, but they don't mean any harm. They are after all willing to fuck the guy they are calling out. On the other hand, a bunch of male guests being drunk and harassing other male guests, as they did to me, well there is no excuse for that.

Wild Man
04-21-17, 13:15
Actually, I think a punter is more likely to encounter very drunk punters who might cause issues in a flatrate club. I have been in one where the polizei were called to eject some Russians who were drunk and high in one club and I also saw a very drunk punter hop another's head off the bar!

I have also seen a cat fight between a runner at one club and one of the ladies, literally screaming their heads off at each other in German and a tray of glasses being fucked out a window during it. The polizei were also called there and the female cop just walked passed naked customers without passing a second glance, while the older male cop was slight embarrassed! I was bollock naked, pulling at myself to get hard while the female cop was walking by!

Also in terms of language when a British or Irish Person uses the term 'Jap' it is not meant offensively, yet, I was warned in a forum on another site for using it!

Breadman
04-21-17, 15:44
I recently witnessed a girl quote an older guy $400 for full service (in the states). This girl is known to many of my friends to give it up for as little as $100. Why the huge price difference? I'm assuming it's because she doesn't want to fuck such an old looking guy. Does a working girl have the right to pick and choose who she fucks?

XXL
04-21-17, 17:02
Does a working girl have the right to pick and choose who she fucks?Yes she has, and you may get turned down but it is very rare. Someone on this forum posted a very good explanation of girl's priorities. For example an older guy with some money will be preferred over a young stud who is broke, etc. If you are and look clean and civilized age will not matter at all to girls. Young guys can be problematic even if they're good-looking, for instance I've had girls complaining about young guys on Viagra who pounded them for whole hours.

The Cane
04-21-17, 17:20
I was bollock naked, pulling at myself to get hard while the female cop was walking by!LOL this is funny!

Hessen Bub
04-21-17, 19:02
Does a working girl have the right to pick and choose who she fucks?Yes she does and that's good.

HB.

Pistons
04-21-17, 20:16
I'm curious to hear what was said to make you feel uncomfortable. You hear the odd racist remarks in a FKK (and even on ISG) with guys and girls calling an Asian "Bruce Lee" or "Chink" / "Jap" or a black guy / girl "Africa". There are many ignorant people in this world.I don't think this is allways racism. I call the romanians 'dracula' all the time. And they get the joke. Romanian humor is a bit rough. Especially among the roma... People should just be less up tight about these things.

Banana Boi
04-21-17, 21:33
I don't think this is allways racism. I disagree when the words are spoken by men. There is a group of obnoxious French guys who sit outside on the sofas at GT. They always call the Asians "Bruce Lee" and make karate chop gestures with their hands. One time I thought this 200 pound Asian guy was going to pummel the entire group of French guys on his own.

Breadman
04-21-17, 21:42
Yes she does and that's good.

HB.Conversation moved to the Chat room.

Solo Traveler
04-22-17, 09:15
I disagree when the words are spoken by men. There is a group of obnoxious French guys who sit outside on the sofas at GT. They always call the Asians "Bruce Lee" and make karate chop gestures with their hands. One time I thought this 200 pound Asian guy was going to pummel the entire group of French guys on his own.That's exactly what I have experienced in Sharks before.

A blonde guy was making karate chops and barking as if he wanted to have a fight with me. Not just once or twice, literally every time I walked past him.

So, now, that moron and his groups switch to GoldenTime?

Optimist
04-22-17, 14:20
BB. The particular scenario you describe sounds unambiguously racist. And very unpleasant.

XXL
04-22-17, 14:32
I don't think this is allways racism. I call the romanians 'dracula' all the time. And they get the joke. Romanian humor is a bit rough. Especially among the roma... People should just be less up tight about these things.I came across an instance of basic racism among girls at Acapulco Gold. Two African girls had been relegated on their own to a side room. The Rumanian girl I sessioned told me that was because the African girls have a "bad smell". The two black girls were anything but lookers. I felt sorry for them being ostracised in this way.

Trans Atlantic
04-22-17, 14:58
I came across an instance of basic racism among girls at Acapulco Gold. Two African girls had been relegated on their own to a side room. The Rumanian girl I sessioned told me that was because the African girls have a "bad smell". The two black girls were anything but lookers. I felt sorry for them being ostracised in this way.Did you talk to the Africans to confirm your observations?

Unless you are telling me management told them to sit in a particular area while giving no such instructions to the Romanians, I don't see any racism / discrimination here. Romanians can choose to sit with whoever they want. I was there on this past Friday and girls were evenly disbursed on the couches including the two Africans.

The Cane
04-23-17, 14:36
Is it easier to get to Living Room from Dusseldorf or Cologne? Or not much difference? Also, which of those two cities is Planet Happy Garden closer to? Thanks for any info.

DaWong949
04-23-17, 19:23
Is it easier to get to Living Room from Dusseldorf or Cologne? Or not much difference? Also, which of those two cities is Planet Happy Garden closer to? Thanks for any info.Super easy from Dusseldorf to LR if you are driving. Cologne is bit longer drive, but should be within 1- 1/1/2 HR journey. Don't know planet Happy Garden through, is it good?

Ortos
04-24-17, 03:00
Is it easier to get to Living Room from Dusseldorf or Cologne? Or not much difference? Also, which of those two cities is Planet Happy Garden closer to? Thanks for any info.LR is located in Kaarst, a (northern) suburb of Dusseldorf. Happy Garden is further north from Kaarst, actually the PHG is closest to Krefeld, but a bit out in the sticks, so to speak. But Dusseldorf would be a good base for both these clubs, just that LR is much closer to central Dusseldorf, even reachable by the S28 running out of Dusseldorf Hbf.

PussyLiccker
04-24-17, 03:57
Easier to get from Dusseldorf. You can get a train to Ikea stop in Kaarst (West of Dusseldorf) if coming from Dusseldorf hauptbahnhof. PHG is in Tonisvorst (further down North West of Dusseldorf).

From Duss HBF, less than 30 min to Ikea stop via train, but Tonisvorst (PHG) in comparison is a bit time consuming via public transport (several connections).

LR is easier. Even easier alternative club located in Dusseldorf is Dolce Vita Saunaclub. I prefer LR out of the two, but DV is an option.

Regional Transit website:

http://www.vrr.de/en/index.html

The Cane
04-24-17, 07:07
Don't know planet Happy Garden through, is it good?I too wonder if PHG would be worth a visit. Also Magnum. I know it's subjective, but wondering if there is a general feeling about these two clubs? There are a lot of clubs in the NRW region to visit, and although I would like to hit most of them, probably won't want to get to them all. So, I need to pare it back some. Already know I won't be going to GT. Been there, done that. Didn't like it. Maybe another time. Pascha in Cologne doesn't seem like my style, but if I'm in that city, then I'll probably go just to check it out. Thoughts on the "must-see clubs" in the NRW region welcomed.

Smoke Light
04-24-17, 13:10
I too wonder if PHG would be worth a visit. Also Magnum. I know it's subjective, but wondering if there is a general feeling about these two clubs? There are a lot of clubs in the NRW region to visit, and although I would like to hit most of them, probably won't want to get to them all. So, I need to pare it back some. Already know I won't be going to GT. Been there, done that. Didn't like it. Maybe another time. Pascha in Cologne doesn't seem like my style, but if I'm in that city, then I'll probably go just to check it out. Thoughts on the "must-see clubs" in the NRW region welcomed.Since I mostly attend LR, I prefer to stay in a hotel in Kaarst.

In Summary:

Living Room- Kaarst FKK-livingroom. De 11 am - 4 am.

Heaven7- Willich 13 kilometers from Kaarst heaven7-saunaclub. De 10 am - 10 pm.

Dolce Vita- Dusseldorf 16 kilometers from Kaarst dolce-vita.com 11 am - 5 am.

Magnum- Dusseldorf 16 kilometers from Kaarst magnum-saunaclub.com 11 am - 5 am.

Oceans- Dusseldorf 21 kilometers from Kaarst FKK-oceans. De 1 pm - 5 am.

Happy Garden- Tonisvorst 24 kilometers from Kaarst 100happygirls.com 11 am - 5 am.

Acapulco- Gold Ratingen 29 kilometers from Kaarst fkkacapulco-gold. De 10 am - 3 am.

Villa Vertigo- Grefrath 30 kilometers from Kaarst villavertigo. De 11 am - 5 am.

Golden Time- Bruggen 38 kilometers from Kaarst goldentime. De 11 am - 1 am.

Babylon- Elsdorf 43 kilometers from Kaarst saunaclub-babylon.com.

Acapulco- Velbert 57 kilometers from Kaarst fkkacapulco. De.

Smoke Light
04-24-17, 13:11
Thoughts on the "must-see clubs" in the NRW region welcomed.LR FKK-livingroom. De.

FKK Saunaclub LivingRoom.

August-Thyssen-Strasse- Kaarst.

LR most of talent arrives around 2/3 pm, LU is full after 5 pm.

Has WiFi and allows smartphone for browsing.

Basic 30 min = 50 Eu, CIM=25, anal=50 or 100.

Food:

11 - 3 pm breakfast buffet.

3 pm cake buffet.

3:30 - 7 pm lunch.

6 - 11 pm front cooking / barbecue.

Midnight pizza.

Smoke Light
04-24-17, 13:13
Thoughts on the "must-see clubs" in the NRW region welcomed.H7 heaven7-saunaclub. De.

Heaven Seven.

Siemensring 7, Willich.

Used to be free entry every day from 10 am to 12:00 noon, 30 Eu after 12, nowadays check website for current prices.

Great breakfast deal and warm buffet.

LU above average.

30 minutes = 40 Eu, CIM=25, anal=50 or more.

Opening and closing hours:

Montag. Donnerstag (Thu) 10 - 22 Uhr.

Freitag & Samstag (Sat) 10 - 24 Uhr.

Sonntag & Feiertag (holiday) 10 - 22 Uhr.

English speaking staff Martin and Manula.

No WiFi, but smartphone is okay in 2 rooms (TV area) across hallway from front desk when no girls are around.

Smoke Light
04-24-17, 13:14
Thoughts on the "must-see clubs" in the NRW region welcomed.DV dolce-vita.com.

FKK Dolce Vita.

Briedestrasse 44, Dusseldorf.

RTFF: forum generally advises to avoid if you can.

11 am - 2 pm 40 Eu.

2 pm - 8 pm 50 Eu.

After 8 pm 65 Eu -- includes 20 Eu worth free alc. Drinks.

Smoke Light
04-24-17, 13:18
Thoughts on the "must-see clubs" in the NRW region welcomed.MAGNUM magnum-saunaclub.com.

Heinrich-Hertz-Str. 24.

Erkrath.

Nordrhein-Westfalen.

Big club -- excellent food -- LU is average.

FIY -- Magnum -- Planet Happy Garden -- Villa Vertigo -- 60 Euros entry at any club -- free entry at other two clubs same day.

Pay 60 Euros entry at any of these clubs.

Food and drink card worth 50 Euros (don't lose this card!) -- up to 20 Euros of food for free. Turkish sausagefest after 11 pm.

Talent types: erotic sleezy looks, heavy makeup.

Happy Garden 100happygirls.com.

Butzenstrasse 41,47918 Tnisvorst.

LU seems good -- food and drink card worth 50 Euros (don't lose this card!) -- up to 20 Euros of food for free. Free Wifi.

Villa Vertigo- villavertigo. De villa-vertigo.com.

Bahnstrasse 90, Grefrath.

Again, food and drink card worth 50 Euros (don't lose this card!) -- up to 20 Euros of food for free. Authentic mansion -- has two bars. Happy Hour 35 DAILY FROM 11 am - 1 pm.

Smoke Light
04-24-17, 13:19
Thoughts on the "must-see clubs" in the NRW region welcomed.OCEANS fkk-oceans.de.

Oberhausener Str. 17, Dusseldorf.

Prime time there 6:30-11 pm.

Fridays= party factor= more dancing on stage / bar and maybe 80 girls.

Thursdays= more relaxed= maybe 60 girls.

RTFF: forum says to avoid if you can due to Turkish at late night.

Turkish sausagefest after 11 pm.

You can leave the club temporarily and re-enter without paying again (requires ID).

Smoke Light
04-24-17, 13:21
Thoughts on the "must-see clubs" in the NRW region welcomed.Saunaclub Acapulco Gold fkkacapulco-gold.de.

Robert-Zapp-Strasse 2 A, Ratingen.

LU is smaller than Aca.

No smartphone / tablet allowed!

LU good selection of younger WGs, honest service.

High Turkish attendance, esp late. More non-Turkish at daytime.

Service 30 min= 40 Euro.

Taxi to Ratingen Ost railway station= 13 Euro.

Average food- same as Aca (see below).

Per website:

Opens daily from 10 am (breakfast starts at 10 am, lunch at 2 pm, Fri / Sat Barbecu starts at 3 pm, Evening buffet after 6 pm).

HAPPY HOUR ** 20 Eu entrance ** daily. 10 am -2 pm and Sat / Sun 9 pm - 1 am.

General entrance 30 Eu.

Sunday. Thursday 10 am - 3 am.

Friday. Saturday 10 am - 5 am.

Smoke Light
04-24-17, 13:23
Thoughts on the "must-see clubs" in the NRW region welcomed.GoldenTime FKK Saunaclub goldentime.de.

Heidweg 1, 41379 Bruggen.

Has WiFi and allows smartphone for browsing.

Tuesday and Wednesday are the best days.

Friday and Saturday are the worst.

Parking: further down the street on the left- parking lot with gravel on the ground (walking distance to GT). Entrance between the neighboring houses. Even further down the main road another parking lot with having to wait for (and take) the "Hummer" back and forth to GT.

Smoke Light
04-24-17, 13:23
Thoughts on the "must-see clubs" in the NRW region welcomed.FKK Babylon saunaclub-babylon.com.

Oststrasse 10, Elsdorf.

No WiFi, otherwise RTFF, I recommend it, nice place, great talent, good food, etc.

Smoke Light
04-24-17, 13:25
Thoughts on the "must-see clubs" in the NRW region welcomed.Acapulco fkkacapulco.de.

Harkortstrasse 3, Velbert.

Has good WiFi and allows smartphone for browsing.

LU: good selection (about 40) of younger WGs, honest service.

Girls are not allowed to talk to you first, just sitting there looking bored.

High Turkish attendance, esp late. More non-Turkish at daytime.

Food available till 10:30 pm.

30 or 40 Eu Entry, service 30 min= 40 Eu.

Loud loud music. Too loud after 8 pm.

Mon or Tues night before 9 pm happy hour entry.

DaWong949
04-24-17, 17:37
I too wonder if PHG would be worth a visit. Also Magnum. I know it's subjective, but wondering if there is a general feeling about these two clubs? There are a lot of clubs in the NRW region to visit, and although I would like to hit most of them, probably won't want to get to them all. So, I need to pare it back some. Already know I won't be going to GT. Been there, done that. Didn't like it. Maybe another time. Pascha in Cologne doesn't seem like my style, but if I'm in that city, then I'll probably go just to check it out. Thoughts on the "must-see clubs" in the NRW region welcomed.I have only been to GT, LR and ACA. So out of those three, I will repeat on LR for sure. Aca is cheaper (40 e entrance or E30 before 1 pm, E40/30 min for girls) there are some lookers there. However, the place shows the age and need some remodeling. I was only in GT for 3-4 hrs, it seems to have potential to be good (I like GT's garden), but I did not find someone I wanted.

On my next trip, I may try Ocean, DV and Samya in Koln. Just my two cents.

Sirioja
04-24-17, 20:56
Is it easier to get to Living Room from Dusseldorf or Cologne? Or not much difference? Also, which of those two cities is Planet Happy Garden closer to? Thanks for any info.LR is close, west to Dusseldorf.

PHG is isolated, like GT Bruggen. Good foods and free beer in bottles at PHG, GT or LR. Outside swimming pool in small garden at PHG. Some black girls early on day at PHG. Georgina at LR is ex PHG, Marga Samya, top pole dancer, worked at PHG as Miki. Sometimes, can find great girls, like barbie Louana. Ro on March 2013 , or model Isa. Ro on last September. Discotheque on Friday and Saturday evenings and nights.

Banana Boi
04-24-17, 22:38
Thoughts on the "must-see clubs" in the NRW region welcomed.I don't recall which clubs you have been to. How about Samya and Mondial?

Laufhaus is actually fun just walking around the brothel. Only 5 euro entry. You need to make a few rounds since a girl may be busy when you walk by her door the first time. Girls are definitely not all Romanian. Met a nice South African girl there. Better service than I expected at a laufhaus. I know PL was licking his chops at some of the girl's optics but didn't pull the trigger due to service concerns. Avoid the ladyboy floor and don't bother with the strip club.

The Cane
04-25-17, 06:01
Thanks for all the great info guys! Other than GT, which I give a thumbs down to, I have not been to any of the NRW clubs. And BB, which floor is the lady boy floor? I definitely want to avoid that one!

Tjohoo
04-25-17, 17:14
How about Samya and Mondial?I had the same thought. A list of must see clubs in NRW has to include Samya. Much much better then clubs like DV and Magnum an PHG in my opninion.

An other club to put on the list are Bernd's.

T.

Mr CrankyPants
04-25-17, 19:11
I had the same thought. A list of must see clubs in NRW has to include Samya. Much much better then clubs like DV and Magnum an PHG in my opninion.

An other club to put on the list are Bernd's.

T.Yes, I was surprised to see old school Bernd's not getting included. Is this because it's more of a house or a brothel than a club, so people tend not to have it in mind when listing clubs?

Takedown
04-29-17, 22:31
And BB, which floor is the lady boy floor? I definitely want to avoid that one!Yeah, he really wants to know to "avoid" it! Hehe just kidding.

SexInCity
05-01-17, 10:45
Hello gentlemen,

I'm planning my first FKK trip which is likely be at the end of May.

I believe your guidance and suggestion will be very helpful to me, though I have been RTFF a lot in the FKK board.

This trip will be a long weekend FKK tour so I have planned visiting of 3 clubs only.

Day 1 Thursday:

Arrival in Stuttgart and transfer to Frankfort area driving a rental car. Sharks is the destination.

== What's your opinion of LU in Sharks on Thursday?

I think LU doesn't matter much since it will be my first FKK experience. I believe I will do mostly 30 minutes session in order to enjoy as much beauties as possible.

== I have been wondering if 2 pops are allowed in a 1 h session?

Day 2 Friday:

== Oase or Palace or stay with Sharks?

I prefer GFE. But for what I have learned in this board, none of these 3 clubs has good reputation regarding GFE service. Am I wrong?

Is there any recommended sightseeing place around Frankfurt suburban for killing Friday morning before club time?

Day 3 Saturday:

Drive back to Stuttgart. == Sakura or Paradise?

I remember some monger mentioned about that small club like Sakura is more service oriented. So does it mean I will easily find GFE there?

I checked Sakura's web site yesterday and found out they had only about 10 girls on duty. Is the LU so poor in Sakura?

I did check paradise web site too. I think I like the club cozy and exotic look. But how is the general LU and service quality there?

Your comments and suggestions are really appreciated. Thanks in advance.

SiC.

Samplerr
05-01-17, 11:23
I checked Sakura's web site yesterday and found out they had only about 10 girls on duty. Is the LU so poor in Sakura?To see beyond the first 10 girls in the LU you need to scroll down the page with the navigation arrows.

SexInCity
05-01-17, 11:43
To see beyond the first 10 girls in the LU you need to scroll down the page with the navigation arrows.Thanks. Now I see it.

Pistons
05-01-17, 15:39
SexinCity: You should be allowed to pop twice in a 1 HR session. (Unless the girl is trying to scam you, or upsell you). Perhaps this is ymmw at most clubs as I do not know if they all have set rules for it.

GFE is much more girl related than club related. Some girls give good service to everyone, while other girls chooses. Ymmv. In the past Sharks had a high number of gurls in the first category who gave good gfe to everyone. That rate has now fallen in my view. But I havent visited sharks too much the last 6 months. But it seems like the general idea...

I'd say visit as many clibs as possible on a first tour. Then later you can return to the ones you like the most.

SexInCity
05-01-17, 17:12
SexinCity: You should be allowed to pop twice in a 1 HR session. (Unless the girl is trying to scam you, or upsell you). Perhaps this is ymmw at most clubs as I do not know if they all have set rules for it.

GFE is much more girl related than club related. Some girls give good service to everyone, while other girls chooses. Ymmv. In the past Sharks had a high number of gurls in the first category who gave good gfe to everyone. That rate has now fallen in my view. But I havent visited sharks too much the last 6 months. But it seems like the general idea...

I'd say visit as many clibs as possible on a first tour. Then later you can return to the ones you like the most.Thanks for reply. I appreciate.