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Basketcase
09-27-08, 02:08
I must admit, there is nothing like making out with a hot babe & slowly removing her clothes (nice dress with the same accessories). When the clock is ticking, I prefer to have them naked & ready for action! Depends on the girl, but I ask them to keep their shoes on during sex. High heels (not the stripper fuck me pumps) on pair of long sexy legs, priceless!

Hi Vito Corleone,

I get so horny when I am making out with a girl wearing a short skirt and thong underwear. My hands will be wandering and fondling her arse and putting my hands down in pants. It feels like you were in High School again with your teenaged lover.

It is that thrill of the unwrapping sometimes that makes it that extra bit special when she is all made up and you are ruining it all with undressing her.

I know that I avoid dessous tags at FKKs since for me the reason that they are FKKs is because the ladies are naked. Then again there is the times when I just cannot get enough of a well dressed girl in a tiny skirt or form fitting dress and being able to fondle her through her clothes and take it off.

I know when I attend the odd massage parlour where the ladies dress in white nurse style uniforms that I sometimes ask her to keep the nurse/masseur's outfit on while we session. Its the sight of a girl with her dress hitched up or all her dresses buttons undone exposing herself but somehow still clothed in an uniform that does it for me.

I know when I do privates where I have a lady for the evening or overnight that I like her to dress up in various lingerie or outfits in between going out to the movies, to the fun fair, to the shopping mall or going to the hotel/my house.

I guess if I want my uniform fix that I should do it in UK as there seems to more ladies that actually cater for this required taste. If you go to UK brothels there are usually options for various uniforms as extras for a session. Not my usual haunts mine but it is a place where you can have a nurse dress up or an air hostess or even the school girl.

Kind regards

Londonbasketcase

Jackyo
09-27-08, 10:29
I've been answering questions from newbies about creating itineraries in NRW and public transportation in NRW since forever.

It seems like I do nothing but reinvent the wheel each time anyone asks about what is available in Bonn, Koeln, Duesseldorf, Duisburg, Essen, Oberhausen, Dortmund, etc.. Next time anyone asks, I'll simply point them to this post.

IMHO, NRW is ground zero for this activity. As to when I am getting my check from the NRW tourist bureau, that I don't know.

790328: NRW
788104: NRW
771898: Duesseldorf
769420: Public transport
755375: Public transport to Goldentime
747111: Public transport
740519: Public transport
735922: Duesseldorf and Oberhausen
734583: Oberhausen
732399: Koeln and Duesseldorf
725480:
724724: Koeln and Duesseldorf
696046: From Paris
693791: Karneval in Koeln
693637: Duesseldorf and Koeln
693152: NRW and Golden Triangle
688882: Dortmund
678877: Bonn
656402: From Eindhoven
650475: Duesseldorf and Koeln, Living Room
649521: Duesseldorf
622086: Public transport
610957: Duesseldorf and Koeln
598695: Duesseldorf RLD
592885: Duesseldorf
581390: Babylon

The views expressed are, of course, my own. Some of the older posts may not be totally accurate. As the Germans say: Diese Angaben sind ohne Gewaehr.

I have a similar post under the PT forum for those interested in that activity.

Mr Styles
09-29-08, 16:25
Hi,

Will be visiting Artemis later this week. My first FKK ever.

I promise a detailed report.

By the way, can I bring my own condoms? There is a thin brand that I love.

Hope to hear from you guys!

Akibono
09-30-08, 04:06
Hi,

Will be visiting Artemis later this week. My first FKK ever.

I promise a detailed report.

By the way, can I bring my own condoms? There is a thin brand that I love.

Hope to hear from you guys!


I always bring my own condoms. Most ladies allow you to use yours, but a few will refuse. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Basketcase
09-30-08, 07:26
I always bring my own condoms. Most ladies allow you to use yours, but a few will refuse. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Theme: Where do you store your own condoms?

Hi Akibono,

Out of interest, when you are dressed in just a towel, where do you store your own condoms? In a fold of the towel like the Romans did with their togas? Or do you wear a robe that has pockets? Or do you ask the lady to wait while you go either to your clothes locker or to your valuables locker to collect the condoms?

I am just working out the logistics here and the robe seems the best option but I prefer wearing a towel since it can be cooler and you can receive more skin to skin contact from an inviting girl when she is up close with just a towel around the waist in the contact rooms.

Best regards

Londonbasketcase

Warsteiner
10-01-08, 18:17
Hi,
Will be visiting Artemis later this week. My first FKK ever.
I promise a detailed report.
By the way, can I bring my own condoms? There is a thin brand that I love.
Hope to hear from you guys!

Yep, there's no problem with using your own condom. I take my own and have only ever been refused twice - once by a girl who used an 'extra safe' brand (great, thick condoms :() and once by a girl who uses a specific brand as she is allergic to particular brands. I've had no problems in GT, PHG, Samya and Artemis. Just make sure you don't open the condom before hand and ask the girl and there shouldn't be any problems.

As for storing the condoms they can either go in the pocket of the dressing gown or when you have asked the girl to go to the room, when she goes and gets the key you can head off to the locker to get the condom.

Akibono
10-03-08, 23:57
Theme: Where do you store your own condoms?

Hi Akibono,

Out of interest, when you are dressed in just a towel, where do you store your own condoms? In a fold of the towel like the Romans did with their togas? Or do you wear a robe that has pockets? Or do you ask the lady to wait while you go either to your clothes locker or to your valuables locker to collect the condoms?

I am just working out the logistics here and the robe seems the best option but I prefer wearing a towel since it can be cooler and you can receive more skin to skin contact from an inviting girl when she is up close with just a towel around the waist in the contact rooms.

Best regards

Londonbasketcase


I wear a robe, but a condom will easily fit in your hand.

Sky Ryder
10-04-08, 11:17
LBC,

I also use my own condoms because I like the Durex Ultima. I also try to take a litle of my favorite lube, it is Pur. It just makes things go "smoother". If I use a robe, it is easy to put the items in the pocket, but with a towel, I just roll the condom in the waist band when I roll the towel over to keep it closed. So far no turndowns on the condoms. A couple have balked, but I just tell them I am allergic to latex, and that seems to calm them down. Afterwards, almost all of them have commented on how much better they think the poly condems "feel". I do as well, better heat transfer and none of that latex "aroma". The only downside is the are about 2 euro per.

Hessen Bub
10-04-08, 11:18
I prefer wearing a towel since it can be cooler and you can receive more skin to skin contact from an inviting girl when she is up close with just a towel around the waist in the contact rooms.

Dito. Wearing a bathrobe and running around like an icebear, sweating and looking like in a sanitarium is moren than uncool.

HB

Dave Jamsis
10-06-08, 16:13
Hi all,

Greetings from USA. I will be making my trip to EU in two months. I am delighted the Euro is falling a bit so I get more 'bang for my US buck' (pun IS intended)

All seriousness - with the financial crisis we are in, I would imagine FKK activity may be a little slow? I realize that for many high income people this would have no effect - but I am just curious if and of you regluars have noticed any changes.

Thanks!

Italy 1974
10-06-08, 21:18
Hi all,

Greetings from USA. I will be making my trip to EU in two months. I am delighted the Euro is falling a bit so I get more 'bang for my US buck' (pun IS intended)


All seriousness - with the financial crisis we are in, I would imagine FKK activity may be a little slow? I realize that for many high income people this would have no effect - but I am just curious if and of you regluars have noticed any changes.

Thanks!I didn't notice any slowing in the "activities" in fkks and clubs I usually go to.

It may be that the crisis will have an impact but honestly I have no idea which kind of impact.

Moreover it's too early to have any hint about it.

Italy 1974

Euro100
10-06-08, 22:18
Hi all,

Greetings from USA. I will be making my trip to EU in two months. I am delighted the Euro is falling a bit so I get more 'bang for my US buck' (pun IS intended)

All seriousness - with the financial crisis we are in, I would imagine FKK activity may be a little slow? I realize that for many high income people this would have no effect - but I am just curious if and of you regluars have noticed any changes.

Thanks!

NOPE! Still doing the same thing. And the crowds seem still to be equal in size as well. So this indicates that there is still disposable income among those who invest in pussy instead of junk bonds.

Jackyo
10-06-08, 23:33
NOPE! Still doing the same thing. And the crowds seem still to be equal in size as well. So this indicates that there is still disposable income among those who invest in pussy instead of junk bonds.
Though nobody has figured out a way to trade Collateralized Pussy Obligations (CPOs) yet its an international and unregulated market with a huge demand.

Iseeu
10-07-08, 05:19
All seriousness - with the financial crisis we are in, I would imagine FKK activity may be a little slow? I realize that for many high income people this would have no effect - but I am just curious if and of you regluars have noticed any changes.
Just recently, after a week of FKK debauchery, and defaulted payments to an assorted cast of nubile creditors, I was all tapped out, so I called my Congressman and asked for a bailout. He promised to add me to the pork barrel, but I haven't received my $700B yet. LOL

Has anyone figured out how much pussy, $700B could buy?

Actually, a number of people in the biz that I have spoken to over the last couple of months have complained of a drop-off in business, including some of the high income people that you refer to who were willing to pay for the high class escorts. In Germany, I have heard that it is particularly the lower economic scale of the sex business, in places like partytreffs, that have been hit hard, and even some higher end FKK's are feeling the slow times, especially on low peak times like early in the week and towards the end of the month.

But the sex business is very resilient, after all it's weathered a few economic storms in the past, providing a much desired commodity to needy, horny customers, seeking some relief from the economic turmoil around them. Like all things in the global economy, the effects of the downturn in investments and business activity will eventually be felt on this scene as well. We'll see some club closures for sure and consolidation in over subscribed areas, as survival of the fittest takes over. Business travellers like myself will need to cut back on non-essential international travel, but in the FKK world we are not the main course anyway, just the whipped cream on the top.

There are some mixed benefits to all of this. We may see some isolated price reductions and more creative pricing schemes to draw in reluctant customers. Many of the large international conventions and conferences held in recent months have had significantly lowered participation as companies are cutting their marketing and travel budgets and this will ease the crowds at those clubs which draw on the messe visitors like Palace, Oase, Artemis and the Cologne area clubs.

Significant changes like this in the global economy also generally force new workers to industries that are lower down on the business scale so we may even begin to see some laid off female stockbrokers, plying their wares to keep themselves in Manulo Blancs. At the same time, some of the less successful plyers of this trade, who came into it to try and profit from the less-discerning low hanging fruit, may be forced out of the work pool and back to E. Europe and CIS, as the demand curve softens.

Change is usually good. But it 's really too soon to tell, how this scenario will work out. So, go and enjoy, and make sure to tell us all about your experiences.

Jackyo
10-07-08, 09:06
... before we see female financial services types start to reevaluate their career options and cross the thresholds of our favorite clubs!

I can't wait! :)

Gentleman Travel
10-07-08, 13:40
Has anyone figured out how much pussy, $700B could buy?

There are some mixed benefits to all of this. We may see some isolated price reductions and more creative pricing schemes to draw in reluctant customers. Many of the large international conventions and conferences held in recent months have had significantly lowered participation as companies are cutting their marketing and travel budgets and this will ease the crowds at those clubs which draw on the messe visitors like Palace, Oase, Artemis and the Cologne area clubs.
But I wonder how much discounting we will see, or how quickly prices will adjust?
Sex is a personal service industry, and someone who has been selling herself for $400 per hour is not likely to move quickly to a business model where she is doing the same stuff for $200 per hour, and if she does, will she ever be content? We see this in pick-up bars all the time - girls sticking to a high-price structure, even at 3:00 AM, then going home alone, having zero income for the evening.

My point is that we may not benefit quickly from price elasticity in service providers. However, as new girls enter the market with the new reality price structure, we should be able to find happiness at a more reasonable price, and the old, over-priced hookers will be left sitting on their bar stools wondering who is going to pay for their new shoes...


Significant changes like this in the global economy also generally force new workers to industries that are lower down on the business scale so we may even begin to see some laid off female stockbrokers, plying their wares to keep themselves in Manulo Blancs.
It will be interesting to see if that happens, will they be able to embrace the right service attitude. If they were snotty to guys in bars when they were working on the floor, will they be a better GFE when working in bed?

Henio
10-07-08, 17:39
The price elasticity works a bit different in this business. A girl will not drop her price easily at the same venue as before, but they are quite quick to move to venues that have more traffic although lower price. See it all the time.

Basketcase
10-07-08, 19:38
... before we see female financial services types start to reevaluate their career options and cross the thresholds of our favorite clubs!

I can't wait! :)

I have already been with German girls that used to work in real estate in the FKK clubs making some money as they are out of work sicne thei agency closed or their services were no longer required. I do remember one yummy brunette from Koln, Germany do a great GFE session. I felt like her long lost boyfriend.

I have yet to meet any German financial services types just yet.

Londonbasketcase

Vito Corleone
10-08-08, 06:54
Hi all,

Greetings from USA. I will be making my trip to EU in two months. I am delighted the Euro is falling a bit so I get more 'bang for my US buck' (pun IS intended)

All seriousness - with the financial crisis we are in, I would imagine FKK activity may be a little slow? I realize that for many high income people this would have no effect - but I am just curious if and of you regluars have noticed any changes.

Thanks!
I am also happy the the euro is falling! Money is not an issue. Time is. I just wish I had more time or live closer to Germany.

I would be going to Germany every weekend too if I lived as close to FKK land as LBC!

Dave Jamsis
10-11-08, 01:45
I have already been with German girls that used to work in real estate in the FKK clubs making some money as they are out of work sicne thei agency closed or their services were no longer required. I do remember one yummy brunette from Koln, Germany do a great GFE session. I felt like her long lost boyfriend.

I have yet to meet any German financial services types just yet.

Londonbasketcase


The only problem with that, I bet the level of service is very unsatisfactory....no DFK, only CBJ, etc.

We will see...the financial markets are awful, will get worse before it gets better.

Jack Ryan1
10-17-08, 00:27
Hi there,

I am planning my first trip to Frankfurt and am likely to visit Oase.

Is Thursday still the 'dessous' day where the girls wear lingerie, or has that changed?

I really prefer girls wearing something so would want to go on that day, I also read somewhere that a sauna club is exactly the same as an FKK except the girls are always in lingerie. Are there any recommended sauna clubs in frankfurt? I tried looking on here but not had much luck.

Thanks

Creature2
10-19-08, 13:01
Hi there,

I am planning my first trip to Frankfurt and am likely to visit Oase.

Is Thursday still the 'dessous' day where the girls wear lingerie, or has that changed?

I really prefer girls wearing something so would want to go on that day, I also read somewhere that a sauna club is exactly the same as an FKK except the girls are always in lingerie. Are there any recommended sauna clubs in frankfurt? I tried looking on here but not had much luck.

Thanks

Definitely, I was there in Oase last Thursday and unfortunately, it was still the "dessous tag". Me, quite the contrary, I prefer naked woman instead of woman in lingerie but I had that only one night (Thursday night) in Frankfurt so I did it on a dessous tag. If you are into lingerie, Palace has also a dessous tag (on Wednesdays), you may check there too.

Basketcase
10-19-08, 13:40
Theme: Service standards from financial services types


The only problem with that, I bet the level of service is very unsatisfactory [from financial services background girls]....no DFK, only CBJ, etc.

If there are girls with financial services backgrounds now working the FKKs to make ends meet after losing their jobs and they fail to meet the club style of providing DFK, BBBJ, DATY, etc... then they can expect to in economic terms to be providing less of a deal than other girls who do more for the same €50. These girls are not providing the minimum level of service and lose any competitive advantage that they may have being new and fresh to the club. They have to be very good looking to be able to snare the business since attractive looks does provide a competitive advantage and some punters will discount the lesser service for the chance to bang a pretty model. We have seen reports from customers to have admitted to such. Even I have done so I admit as well.


We will see...the financial markets are awful, will get worse before it gets better.

Your guess is as good as mine. I can only hope for a V shaped economic situation as opposed to a prolonged painful experience of the Japanese in the 1990s. Speaking to an economist at a sauna club we discussed how in 2007 we never thought that the credit crisis would be deep and this long with still no ready end in sight. It goes to show that even some experts do not have any more insight than you or I.

In the FKK clubs you do meet some really interesting types, dentists on conference (likely story), transport planners (we discussed German road design compared to road design and road furniture in the English speaking world), telecommunication engineers (lots of them in London attend the strip club scene due to the location of their offices), MBA students escaping for the weekend from their studies, business men en route to another destination, sales people, sex tourists and messe visitors.

There is diversity in the girls that work in the clubs but there is also marked diversity in the customers as well. Ordinary men who want to sample a bit of men's Disneyland in Germany.

The FKK and saunaclubs is a clean, legal, safe environment. I hope with all my heart that they still continue and attract further business in terms of customers and girls.

I have discussed this with a fellow Briton that when we are in the clubs, all our Earthly worries lift from our shoulders. A wonderful feeling to have.

My best to everyone,

Londonbasketcase

Basketcase
10-19-08, 13:56
Is Thursday still the 'dessous' day where the girls wear lingerie, or has that changed?

Ja, Donnerstag ist Dessous Tag in FKK Oase. Although from reports some girls pay lip service to the concept of Dessous so you may enjoy a few girls in near naked state in any case.

FKK Palace has its Dessous Tag on Mittwoch and Straps Tag on Montag meaning that the girls wear socks or stockings.

FKK World has its Dessous Tag on Dienstag.

Even in the sauna clubs of Nord Rhein Westfalen and particularly Golden Time you will have girls working the contact rooms topless and wearing just a a tiny G string. For me this is a nice look.

I do not usually get out to the FKKs and saunaclubs during the usual working week so do not get to visit during Dessous Tag to my relief, but if all the girls were dressed up as sexy nurses or naughty adult aged and sized school girls then that will be incentive for me to make the effort.


I really prefer girls wearing something so would want to go on that day, I also read somewhere that a sauna club is exactly the same as an FKK except the girls are always in lingerie. Are there any recommended sauna clubs in frankfurt? I tried looking on here but not had much luck.


Ja, in the sauna clubs the girls generally are in lingerie or bikinis whereas a FKK by its name means that the visitors including the men are in various states of nakedness.

For me, sauna clubs are more associated with the Golden Triangle area of Nord Rhein Westfalen. These would be Golden Time, Villa Vertigo, Planet Happy Garden, Atrium, Living Room in Germany and in the Netherlands there is Yin Yang, Bada Bing, Sans Souci and the sole Dutch FKK of ZaZen.

There are more learned writers than I who know the Frankfurt sauna club scene but as far as the more popularly reported on clubs in this forum that have their own thread there are none.

In any case in the FKKs you will find that many girls where some jewellry, carry a hand bag, wear high heels and war a towel around themselves or a waist sash of some sort. Is that lingerie enough for you?

With kind regards,

Londonbasketcase

Basketcase
10-19-08, 16:59
Will be visiting Artemis later this week. My first FKK ever. I promise a detailed report. By the way, can I bring my own condoms? There is a thin brand that I love.

Hi Rogerpaul,

Did you manage to get Dagmar and Olga that you went with at Artemis let you use your own condoms?

Out of interest what is the thin brand that you love?

If I ever remember to bring my own condoms I would be using standard durex brand featherlite.

Cheers,

Londonbasketcase

Frenchieboy
10-19-08, 21:02
Please can you tell me in there is a FKK Club in Munchen if yes be nice to give me the name and maybe the link thanks a lot

Jack Ryan1
10-20-08, 01:57
Thanks for the help folks.

I'm really into stockings so looks like a visit to Palace on a Monday is in order.

Thanks

Vito Corleone
10-20-08, 04:56
They have to be very good looking to be able to snare the business since attractive looks does provide a competitive advantage and some punters will discount the lesser service for the chance to bang a pretty model. We have seen reports from customers to have admitted to such. Even I have done so I admit as well.

Whenever I visit any club, I will try a hot looking model even if she provides average service. If they have a really bad rep, then I would think about it. If the do not give bbbj, then forget about it! BBBJ is one of the reasons it would be worth trying a pretty model.

Jackyo
10-20-08, 13:21
Please can you tell me in there is a FKK Club in Munchen if yes be nice to give me the name and maybe the link thanks a lot
Its easy. It works.

The clubs south of the Weisswurstaequator are not up to the same standards in Hessen and NRW. This has been said several times.

You might try Sudfass Oase in Pasing. Not read good things about it though.

The consensus is that when in Muenchen, travel to Augsburg (d.h. leave Muenchen) and visit ColA (Colosseum in Augsburg).

Gergiev
10-21-08, 01:07
How exactly is Dessous pronounced?

Is it "Dess-oo", as in Francais?

Or "Dess-aows", like the 'aus' sound in Deutsch?

Jackyo
10-22-08, 12:49
How exactly is Dessous pronounced?

Is it "Dess-oo", as in Francais?

Or "Dess-aows", like the 'aus' sound in Deutsch?
And it means underwear.

As to why they won't use Unterwaesche, I can understand. It just doesn't have that Je ne sais quoi.

Gergiev
10-22-08, 20:30
And it means underwear.

As to why they won't use Unterwaesche, I can understand. It just doesn't have that Je ne sais quoi.Yes, sometimes I do wonder how our German friends struggle with all that Buestenhalter, Schluepfer & Strumpfhose !

Such a damned hard language to undress in ;-)

No wonder they 'import' words like Dessous, Niveau & Charme etc into the language...now I understand why Charles V spoke Italian to his women and German to his horse ;-)

So I presume the pronunciation is "Dess-oo".....or "Dess-oos" even ???

Dave Jamsis
10-24-08, 14:00
Just to add an interesting question for the day...

Has anyone, the the heat of passion with a girl at an FKK - ever engaged in sex without condom, i.e. bareback (regular or anal?).

Not that I would want to as risk is high - but I understand it happens time to time at Partytreff clubs and just wanted to ask a curious question in respect to FKK.

Thanks all!

Dave Jamsis
10-24-08, 14:01
Hi All-

With Euro now at 1.25 per USD - does anyone vision FKK clubs may raise prices? I doubt it, but looking at this history it is falling rapidly and some are projecting they could see levels pre-2000, where I believe it was ,90 per USD.

Jackyo
10-24-08, 14:29
Hi All-

With Euro now at 1.25 per USD - does anyone vision FKK clubs may raise prices? I doubt it, but looking at this history it is falling rapidly and some are projecting they could see levels pre-2000, where I believe it was ,90 per USD.
If you've read my article on FKK club price inflation over the past ten years, my conclusion is that inflation has been just about zero.

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As to whether the clubs and the women will react to the exchange rate, my guess is it will have no effect. If it were to have an effect, it would be on the clubs with strong tourist traffic. Historically though exchange rates have gone up and down and pricing has not been affected.

Jackyo
10-24-08, 14:36
Yes, sometimes I do wonder how our German friends struggle with all that Buestenhalter, Schluepfer & Strumpfhose !

Such a damned hard language to undress in ;-)

No wonder they 'import' words like Dessous, Niveau & Charme etc into the language...now I understand why Charles V spoke Italian to his women and German to his horse ;-)

So I presume the pronunciation is "Dess-oo".....or "Dess-oos" even ???
Germans do tend to use French words for certain things. It always cracks me up.

Engagement, for example, pronounced with French pronounciation I find particularly funny.

Then instead of saying Buergersteig they say Trottoir.

Dessous would be pronounced as it would be in France, with the last "s" being silent.

Yes, undressing a woman in German is challenging particularly if she wears the entire range of Dessous!

Jackyo
10-24-08, 14:42
Just to add an interesting question for the day...

Has anyone, the the heat of passion with a girl at an FKK - ever engaged in sex without condom, i.e. bareback (regular or anal?).

Not that I would want to as risk is high - but I understand it happens time to time at Partytreff clubs and just wanted to ask a curious question in respect to FKK.

Thanks all!
I've not done it intentionally but I've broken condoms and even lost them (We went on a fishing expedition trying to find it inside her once. One second I was slipping and sliding away normally, the next second the sensation of her wrapping around me was unbelievable intense. And no wonder.)

Bareback activity at PTs takes place only when it is specifically advertised as being a bareback event. Usually it is when specific pornstars (Barbara Devil comes to mind) make an appearance.

I've not indulged at this activity but I've been told that it is available anywhere. You just need to ask.

Foxx1
10-24-08, 17:21
Bareback most defiantly happens. I’ve had a first hand account from two separate service providers that preferred and almost demanded to have bareback after many repeat visits.

The first girl would get so wet from pussy rubbing me that she would just start putting me in her bareback. Each visit would start with full bareback and then about halfway through the service she would wrap the condom on for the finish inside her.

The second girl was a little bit different. At first, the sex was always with a condom. After many months seeing her, she decided on one visit to rip the condom off halfway through sex and let me cum inside her. This continued for quite a while until at some point we lost touch.

I see neither girl now. This happened a few years ago.

So, I can say it doesn’t matter on the club (the girls worked at different clubs) but on the girl providing the service. I can’t see a girl offering it on a first visit. I feel it takes multiple visits until the girl feels comfortable enough to let everything go.

Note: I never asked either girl that I wanted to have bareback sex with them. There’s just a point in the pseudo-relationship that it just happens sometimes.

CBGBConnisur
10-24-08, 23:15
You have to be completely out of your mind to do bareback with a prostitute, you have no idea what kind of people she has had sex with and how many, if you want to play Russian roulette with your life, its your choice, if it were me I would be cautious.

Gergiev
10-26-08, 02:09
Germans do tend to use French words for certain things.NaturFranzoesisch anybody?

Toscana
10-26-08, 21:07
Hi All-

With Euro now at 1.25 per USD - does anyone vision FKK clubs may raise prices? No. The dollar/euro rate has little relevance. My prediction is that sadly quite a few FKKs are going to go out of business in the next two years as the recession bites. Too many new ones jumping on the bandwaggon the last few months, and few with a good concept. I may be wrong, but price rises are unlikely in my judgement.

Hessen Bub
10-27-08, 12:52
With Euro now at 1.25 per USD - does anyone vision FKK clubs may raise prices? I doubt it, but looking at this history it is falling rapidly and some are projecting they could see levels pre-2000, where I believe it was ,90 per USD.

Why should they? We have experienced exchange rates from 0,86 to 1,56 US-$ per EUR - and prices have been stable for the girls at 50 EUR/30 min (even falling after conversion to the EURO, as it was 100 DM = 51,x EUR before).

Entrance has been between 50 and 75 EUR, depending on the state and location.

HB

American Tourist
11-08-08, 23:33
I'm a newbie at this and need the advice from the more experienced.

Met a girl at an FKK club (for the first time). Got pretty hot on the couch, went to a room with her and it was amazing. After that I hit the sauna, she brought me a drink checked up on me. Then I had to cut the night short (work called).

Right before I was going to leave she came up to me, asked if I would call her, and programmed her phone number into my cel.

This was like my fourth time at this place, the girls there are starting to recognize me so my anonymousness is out the window at this point.

So is getting a personal cel number common? I'm not so jaded as to think this was the best sex she ever had, and that I'm the best looking guy around. Far from it.

What is she after? What do I need to watch out for? What would you guys do?

Eric Burden
11-10-08, 03:51
I'm a newbie at this and need the advice from the more experienced.

Met a girl at an FKK club (for the first time). Got pretty hot on the couch, went to a room with her and it was amazing. After that I hit the sauna, she brought me a drink checked up on me. Then I had to cut the night short (work called).

Right before I was going to leave she came up to me, asked if I would call her, and programmed her phone number into my cel.

This was like my fourth time at this place, the girls there are starting to recognize me so my anonymousness is out the window at this point.

So is getting a personal cel number common? I'm not so jaded as to think this was the best sex she ever had, and that I'm the best looking guy around. Far from it.

What is she after? What do I need to watch out for? What would you guys do?

Okay, so you are right to be suspicous. I have been around the block a few times and will give you my thoughts.

These girls are people just like the rest of us. they have the the same desires, wants and needs.

If they gave you their number, they want to see you again, the answer is why?

1) Ultimately these ladies would like someone to marry them and take care of them (like all women). if you are reasonably young, treated tehm nice and have some money or a reasonable job and they like you, you fit the profile. Just like any women wants a man.

2) They want a steady customer.


I have been to the FKKS many times and have gotten only a few emails. They always respond. One really just wanted a steady customer and seemed to like me (she was a German). Another (Romanian) also liked me and wanted some help getting a US visa but was able to do it on her own after all.

So, they probably just like you either as a potential boyfriend or a regular customer.

The asian p4ps are generally looking for someone to send them money.

EB

Jackyo
11-11-08, 09:27
I'm a newbie at this and need the advice from the more experienced.

Met a girl at an FKK club (for the first time). Got pretty hot on the couch, went to a room with her and it was amazing. After that I hit the sauna, she brought me a drink checked up on me. Then I had to cut the night short (work called).

Right before I was going to leave she came up to me, asked if I would call her, and programmed her phone number into my cel.

This was like my fourth time at this place, the girls there are starting to recognize me so my anonymousness is out the window at this point.

So is getting a personal cel number common? I'm not so jaded as to think this was the best sex she ever had, and that I'm the best looking guy around. Far from it.

What is she after? What do I need to watch out for? What would you guys do?
Some clubs have strict rules about the girls making contact outside of the club, das heisst, she may lose her job if you were ever found out.

Some other veterans on this forum have had direct experience with this.

Vito Corleone
11-11-08, 09:43
I'm a newbie at this and need the advice from the more experienced.

Met a girl at an FKK club (for the first time). Got pretty hot on the couch, went to a room with her and it was amazing. After that I hit the sauna, she brought me a drink checked up on me. Then I had to cut the night short (work called).

Right before I was going to leave she came up to me, asked if I would call her, and programmed her phone number into my cel.

This was like my fourth time at this place, the girls there are starting to recognize me so my anonymousness is out the window at this point.

So is getting a personal cel number common? I'm not so jaded as to think this was the best sex she ever had, and that I'm the best looking guy around. Far from it.

What is she after? What do I need to watch out for? What would you guys do?
You are in some serious trouble. You broke the FKK silent code of conduct. As you know, the Hells Angels are located everywhere especially in the US. You might be sleeping with the fishes soon. Another rookie making a potentially fatal mistake.










Just kidding. She just wants to exchange protein & like others have said want a regular customer.

Basketcase
11-11-08, 21:17
I'm a newbie at this and need the advice from the more experienced.

Met a girl at an FKK club (for the first time). Got pretty hot on the couch, went to a room with her and it was amazing. After that I hit the sauna, she brought me a drink checked up on me. Then I had to cut the night short (work called).

Right before I was going to leave she came up to me, asked if I would call her, and programmed her phone number into my cel.

This was like my fourth time at this place, the girls there are starting to recognize me so my anonymousness is out the window at this point.

So is getting a personal cel number common? I'm not so jaded as to think this was the best sex she ever had, and that I'm the best looking guy around. Far from it.

What is she after? What do I need to watch out for? What would you guys do?

My take is that she just wants you as a regular customer and for you to stay in contact.

If she starts contacting you on when you are next visiting then you will know for sure.

If you use her number to contact her for a date and she refuses or avoids the question then you will know the score. If she accepts the date then do not tell anyone about it and enjoy youself.

Londonbasketcase

SX Lover
11-11-08, 22:05
[/quote]Right before I was going to leave she came up to me, asked if I would call her, and programmed her phone number into my cel

What is she after? What do I need to watch out for? What would you guys do?[/QUOTE]

Why you worry. She is just trying to be friendly with you. May be it will lead you to free dates.
Think what worst can happen..............just enjoy good company

Bobo.fr
11-11-08, 22:13
.....
Right before I was going to leave she came up to me, asked if I would call her, and programmed her phone number into my cel.
.....
So is getting a personal cel number common?

I think yes because I have more than one cell numbers from the ladies.



I'm not so jaded as to think this was the best sex she ever had, and that I'm the best looking guy around. Far from it.

May be you were nice with them ? may be you respected them ? ... etc ...
Personnally, one lady told me that she could feel that from a man at a beginning of a meeting.
May be your conversation with her was not just limited in "do you practise CIM, fist, anal, uro ... etc ... ?"




What is she after? What do I need to watch out for? What would you guys do?
If I understand well, her cell phone is in yours (and not your cell phone is in hers) ?
Personnally, often the ladies give me their cell numbers just because they don't work everyday at the "house" and so I can call them to check their presence or to make an appointment.

American Tourist
11-11-08, 22:37
Thanks guys this info is indeed helpful.

Conclusions:

1) It isn't totally uncommon to get a girls contact number

2) It could be business or pleasure very difficult to tell.

3) Keep it on the down-low as it may impact her job.

With that in mind I won't say any club names or anything for fear of somebody figuring it out. She did want my cel number I didn't give it to her as I couldn't remember my number so she programmed hers in mine.

Thanks for the help in trying to figure this all out (it all seems odd to me) this was like the 3rd or 4th time I had been to this club. I remembered seeing her in passing last time, didn't talk to her. But this time she asked about one of the girls I was with the last time by name. She also strongly suggested that I go back to the hotel after we were finished. At first I ignored her and went to the sauna, she brought me a drink in there. Then went to shower and she came down and again suggested that I leave. I did and that was how we left it. Odd that a girl would be insistent that I actually leave.

Again is this common?

Iseeu
11-12-08, 21:27
1) It isn't totally uncommon to get a girls contact number

2) It could be business or pleasure very difficult to tell.

3) Keep it on the down-low as it may impact her job.


Yes, it is a commonplace occurrence and yes, keep the club and her name to yourself.

IMHO- It is not difficult to discern if it's business or pleasure- There's a 99% chance that it is business. She may give you the impression that she's really into you, but if it ever develops in the future, it will come out as a business transaction.

The 1% chance that it's for pleasure would happen because;
A) She fell head over heels in love with you from the fleeting moments spent in your company
B) You said something about your personal status that made her believe that she would have a supported future with you
C) You were so amazingly charming and or gorgeous and or fun to be with that she wants to be your GF for awhile.

I don't know you or what happened between the 2 of you. Decide for yourself.

Basketcase
11-12-08, 21:30
She also strongly suggested that I go back to the hotel after we were finished. At first I ignored her and went to the sauna, she brought me a drink in there. Then went to shower and she came down and again suggested that I leave. I did and that was how we left it. Odd that a girl would be insistent that I actually leave.

Again is this common?

American Tourist

It might be that your FKK girlfriend has become protective and thoughtful of your well being. Sometimes girls say to guys that it maybe best to go back to their hotel rooms or homes if they are sleeping in the club (and not fucking) and taking up room. I mean the quote of "this is not sleep club this is a fuck club" reverberates. She may have noted you were tired or anxious or whatever and a good nights rest so you could be ready the next day for more fucking creating her suggestion that you leave and rest up. It could be any combination of explanations.

Alternatively, she might want to be hoping to keep your euros to herself since by sending you home you will not be spending any more on other girls and have some saved for her for next time - wishful thinking but who knows how some people think.

Maybe there was something going down and she did not want you to be around. This is only guess work. You will have to ask her.

Now that you mention it I expect there will be a few others interested in the answer too as to me also it is not a common comment to come from a girl to a punter apart from when the guy is obviously very tired and really could do with a proper sleep (and not in the club).

Cheers,

Londonbasketcase

Jackyo
11-12-08, 22:58
Thanks guys this info is indeed helpful.

Conclusions:

1) It isn't totally uncommon to get a girls contact number

2) It could be business or pleasure very difficult to tell.

3) Keep it on the down-low as it may impact her job.

With that in mind I won't say any club names or anything for fear of somebody figuring it out. She did want my cel number I didn't give it to her as I couldn't remember my number so she programmed hers in mine.

Thanks for the help in trying to figure this all out (it all seems odd to me) this was like the 3rd or 4th time I had been to this club. I remembered seeing her in passing last time, didn't talk to her. But this time she asked about one of the girls I was with the last time by name. She also strongly suggested that I go back to the hotel after we were finished. At first I ignored her and went to the sauna, she brought me a drink in there. Then went to shower and she came down and again suggested that I leave. I did and that was how we left it. Odd that a girl would be insistent that I actually leave.

Again is this common?
Some of these women have a "boyfriend" or "husband" standing in the wings. In other words, there is someone who has a financial interest in her activities.

The whole theme of Zwangsprostitution has been adequately discussed here. It is real and it exists.

I'd be concerned about some thug of Balkan/Baltic/Black Sea origins in the background somewhere.

American Tourist
11-13-08, 01:52
Since you guys are still interested.

-- No I wasn't tired or falling asleep at the club at all.

-- Yes I was nice and respectful to her as I am to all of them.

-- Yes she did ask me what I did for a living, how old am I, am I married. Most of them don't. I'm decent looking and not too old but not the youngest or the best looking guy there (unless it is a slow night).

-- I found it odd that she observed who I was with on one visit and on the next (almost 3 weeks later) made a reference in mentioning that girl by name There are a decent amount of girls in this club it was not a lucky guess. I know these girls talk but that's a little extreme.

-- No I don't believe she is head over heels for me. She was nice to me, more so than any of the others have been. Bringing me a drink to the sauna, checking up on me. I won't go into specifics but there was something going on at the club which would've cost me a lot of money that wasn't worth it and she warned me off of it. It kind of seemed like she was watching out for me a little. Maybe I'm such a newbie that she felt sorry for me, but I don't think so, I seem to get by okay.

Mixed messages here. One guy says "call her what is the worst that can happen". Another says she may be trafficed and you'd have a problem with some huge Baltic husband or pimp.

Jackyo
11-13-08, 15:14
Since you guys are still interested.

-- No I wasn't tired or falling asleep at the club at all.

-- Yes I was nice and respectful to her as I am to all of them.

-- Yes she did ask me what I did for a living, how old am I, am I married. Most of them don't. I'm decent looking and not too old but not the youngest or the best looking guy there (unless it is a slow night).

-- I found it odd that she observed who I was with on one visit and on the next (almost 3 weeks later) made a reference in mentioning that girl by name There are a decent amount of girls in this club it was not a lucky guess. I know these girls talk but that's a little extreme.

-- No I don't believe she is head over heels for me. She was nice to me, more so than any of the others have been. Bringing me a drink to the sauna, checking up on me. I won't go into specifics but there was something going on at the club which would've cost me a lot of money that wasn't worth it and she warned me off of it. It kind of seemed like she was watching out for me a little. Maybe I'm such a newbie that she felt sorry for me, but I don't think so, I seem to get by okay.

Mixed messages here. One guy says "call her what is the worst that can happen". Another says she may be trafficed and you'd have a problem with some huge Baltic husband or pimp.
The only reason I mention the possible "friend with a financial interest standing in the background" is so that you aren't caught off guard.

Some of these women are, indeed, working on their own account. With a chick like that you would be fine.

I would probe to find out a) where she is from, b) how long she has been with the club, c) what her marital status is. If she is some EE chick just off the bus/train/plane and she speaks no German, shows signs of being coerced, etc.. then be a little more wary.

See this earlier post of mine about this topic with links to site so you can find out more:

514869

Angus Magee
11-13-08, 16:50
In my 30 or so years of mongering I have had a half a dozen or so working girls who ended up giving me their phone number. In my experience it almost always ends badly.

I have had a couple of street girls, call girls, strippers and most recently an apartment girl here in Berlin agree to take the relationship outside the realm of pay for play. In the case of the apartment girl in Berlin she gave me all the signals and made all the moves until I asked for and got her number. From then on it was all mixed signals and confusion until just gave up, let it go. It is all too easy to forget that these girls are relatively young (relative to me at least;-) and sometimes they are very immature when it comes to actually relating in an adult manner, i.e. being clear about what you want and what you are willing to do.

Anyway, I just mention this to let you know that you may be stepping into quicksand when you contact a girl you meet in an FKK and try to see her outside this environment.

That being said, I would probably do it all over again in exactly the same way the next time. It can be a heady experience and it somehow strokes the ego when one of these girls tries to get close in this way. The only thing I would do different, or at least try to, is not to take it so damn seriously.

Excess
11-13-08, 23:39
I think that you will find that there is telegraph running in most clubs that clocks which guests go with which girls. There is an unspoken rule that returning guests are first picks by the girls they went with before unless the guest expresses, usually over the evening several times, that he is no longer interested in repeating. It keeps the system of 'regulars' running for the girls.

Not every girl knows this or abides with it. Many do. Most guests don't realise it, unless they know the score. Keeps things tidy for the club and the girls and cat fights down a level. This breaks down somewhat in very busy clubs ar at Messe times.

Have been amazed that a girl will remember a guest even after a year or more or be told that 'you went with Ms. X (correctly), a rare number of times they don't. Having a long tongue and know how to use it sometimes jogs or keeps you in the girls' memory banks.

The girls who develop regulars often provide them with their 'work' mobile numbers so that they can inform the girls if they will be in that day/night and arrange a time slot before coming to work or during if the girls can access their phones in the changing rooms. The girls who are not too interested and standing/siting at the bar or elsewhere can be waiting for the entry of a prearranged date with a regular and so not too concerned about 1/2 hour since the regular may very well have booked them for several hours that night. The lady may very well thought you were worthy of elevation to 'regular' status, or indeed may have been interested in continuing after the club in your hotel.






-- I found it odd that she observed who I was with on one visit and on the next (almost 3 weeks later) made a reference in mentioning that girl by name There are a decent amount of girls in this club it was not a lucky guess. I know these girls talk but that's a little extreme.

Traveldoc99
11-15-08, 23:15
I plan to return to Bernd's next week and have a room reserved at the Hotel Reuter. Can anyone answer a these questions?

Is internet access available? If so, is wireless?

Are credit cards accepted?

Can I expect access to my room after midnight without waking someone?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Tuxsmasher
01-14-09, 19:28
Hi everyone,

For my first FKK experience, which club would you recommend? I'm torn between Artemis, World and palace. I'm thinking the last 2 might be a good visit during the summer time, Artemis has good enough quality, size, close to downtown but entry price is a bit higher (80), I'm kind of leaning towards artemis, but I don't want to jump into this, without asking you guys first.

Vito Corleone
01-15-09, 10:05
Hi everyone,

For my first FKK experience, which club would you recommend? I'm torn between Artemis, World and palace. I'm thinking the last 2 might be a good visit during the summer time, Artemis has good enough quality, size, close to downtown but entry price is a bit higher (80), I'm kind of leaning towards artemis, but I don't want to jump into this, without asking you guys first.
You will have a great time @ either World or Palace. You might want consider Oase too. Never been to Artemis, but have heard good things.

Jackyo
01-15-09, 13:00
I plan to return to Bernd's next week and have a room reserved at the Hotel Reuter. Can anyone answer a these questions?

Is internet access available? If so, is wireless?

Are credit cards accepted?

Can I expect access to my room after midnight without waking someone?

Thanks in advance for your help.
Reuter is a Familienbetrieb. Small, cozy but bare bones.

I've never asked but I'd be surprised if they accept credit cards.

If you are spending most of the time at Bernds you can request that the hotel deliver your hotel key to the club. That way you can get in late at night.

Or drop by before you go to Bernds and Herr Reuter will give you the key.

Gfe Finder
01-16-09, 01:33
I've used credit cards to pay when I checked out. Is paying with cash an option?


Reuter is a Familienbetrieb. Small, cozy but bare bones.

I've never asked but I'd be surprised if they accept credit cards.

If you are spending most of the time at Bernds you can request that the hotel deliver your hotel key to the club. That way you can get in late at night.

Or drop by before you go to Bernds and Herr Reuter will give you the key.

Jackyo
01-16-09, 04:17
I've used credit cards to pay when I checked out. Is paying with cash an option?
... anyone turn down cash anywhere.

So Herr Reuter accepts credit cards! I didn't know that.

Are we talking Mastercard, Visa and American Express or is this the EC card (which we on this side of the pond don't have)?

Jackyo
01-16-09, 04:18
Hi everyone,

For my first FKK experience, which club would you recommend? I'm torn between Artemis, World and palace. I'm thinking the last 2 might be a good visit during the summer time, Artemis has good enough quality, size, close to downtown but entry price is a bit higher (80), I'm kind of leaning towards artemis, but I don't want to jump into this, without asking you guys first.
Go check out all of the Hessen 3 and Artemis.

Most guys who go seem to like those clubs.

Gfe Finder
01-16-09, 16:28
So Herr Reuter accepts credit cards! I didn't know that.

Are we talking Mastercard, Visa and American Express or is this the EC card (which we on this side of the pond don't have)?

Visa is the only one I can verify. The other names that you mentioned I cannot vouch for.

Moscow City
01-17-09, 02:58
It s my first time in Frankfurt. Before, I was many times in Artemis in Berlin, I like it very much, quite good selection, all the prices and conditions are clear and fixed. Looking for the same club in Frankfurt, could you advise me some.

Jackyo
01-17-09, 12:10
It s my first time in Frankfurt. Before, I was many times in Artemis in Berlin, I like it very much, quite good selection, all the prices and conditions are clear and fixed. Looking for the same club in Frankfurt, could you advise me some.
If you click on the first page of the FKK forum, the names of the large Hessen clubs stare you right in the face.

Look up the threads with the most posts.

Ekliges Lauern
01-20-09, 02:46
It s my first time in Frankfurt. Before, I was many times in Artemis in Berlin, I like it very much, quite good selection, all the prices and conditions are clear and fixed. Looking for the same club in Frankfurt, could you advise me some.

If you liked Artemis, you will probably enjoy Palace. Opinions vary wildly on Palace. Read the forum and make up your own mind whether you want to try it.

Other FRA clubs with a good selection include Oase and World. Both are outside of Frankfurt proper and are best reached by car, but it is possible to reach them by train and cab or walking as well.

Chchpunter
03-16-09, 00:59
Hi,

I have a trip to Germany coming up and I am planning to pay some FKK clubs a visit. Now I have an "organisational" question:

Where do you put the money to pay the girls while you are looking around? As far as I understood you are only wearing a towel.. Do you run around with a bunch of 100 Euro notes in your hand? And what about the condoms? Do the girls provide them in the private room?

Thanks,

Tom.

Italy 1974
03-16-09, 10:57
Quick answers to your questions:

1.you can put you money and valuables into a locker from where you can pick them up whne needed.

2.Yes.

Regards,

Italy 1974


Hi,

I have a trip to Germany coming up and I am planning to pay some FKK clubs a visit. Now I have an "organisational" question:

Where do you put the money to pay the girls while you are looking around? As far as I understood you are only wearing a towel.. Do you run around with a bunch of 100 Euro notes in your hand? And what about the condoms? Do the girls provide them in the private room?

Thanks,

Tom.

Myrmidon
03-16-09, 14:00
Hi,

I have a trip to Germany coming up and I am planning to pay some FKK clubs a visit. Now I have an "organisational" question:

Where do you put the money to pay the girls while you are looking around? As far as I understood you are only wearing a towel.. Do you run around with a bunch of 100 Euro notes in your hand? And what about the condoms? Do the girls provide them in the private room?

Thanks,

Tom.Read the various threads. You are given a key to a locker for your clothes and to a second, smaller locker where you keep your wallet. After a session, you return to the smaller locker with the lady and pay her. Condoms are supplied. You can use a private room, or in some cases, in the kino. Research on the various FKK's will eventually yield results.

Boomer10
03-17-09, 01:00
Most of the clubs only provide a locker for clothes. This is where you normally keep your wallet. The only clubs that I recall having the smaller locker for valuables are Palace and Oase. There are probably others.


Read the various threads. You are given a key to a locker for your clothes and to a second, smaller locker where you keep your wallet. After a session, you return to the smaller locker with the lady and pay her. Condoms are supplied. You can use a private room, or in some cases, in the kino. Research on the various FKK's will eventually yield results.

Vito Corleone
03-17-09, 01:58
Hi,

I have a trip to Germany coming up and I am planning to pay some FKK clubs a visit. Now I have an "organisational" question:

Where do you put the money to pay the girls while you are looking around? As far as I understood you are only wearing a towel.. Do you run around with a bunch of 100 Euro notes in your hand? And what about the condoms? Do the girls provide them in the private room?

Thanks,

Tom.
I wrap a towel over my jeans & walk around. Keeps me warm during winter. I keep my money in the right pocket & my condoms in the left.

Also, do not forget to tip the women. The locals are ecstatic when they see the tourists support the women with generous tips.

Myrmidon
03-28-09, 17:07
Also, do not forget to tip the women. The locals are ecstatic when they see the tourists support the women with generous tips.

Speaking of tips :o ...what about the support staff? Sitting long hours @ the bar, etc., does anyone ever tip the bar staff, say a euro or two for quick, good service? What about the staff that clean the rooms? (Does anyone ever wipe down the furniture in the kino? :eek: Yeech!) It's just that the bar staff can make your visit more comfortable with good service.

Also your generosity could be noted by the ladies. That could be good or bad.

It will label you as a tipper (sucker) for the sharks, (Remember: you can always Just Say No to them and their demands - demonstrate for all to see that YOU are in control!) but it will show that you are not a tight wad (Limited to just 50 euro sessions) to the others, (who may not be sharks, but let's face it, they are there to make money too!). (Still up to You to use your shark repellant) Of course you never cash tip the ladies: tip via extended session, added extra or return visit only!

OK, any serious comments? Should I grab my flame retardant suit?

Henio
03-28-09, 20:13
Speaking of tips :o ...what about the support staff? Sitting long hours @ the bar, etc., does anyone ever tip the bar staff, say a euro or two for quick, good service? What about the staff that clean the rooms? (Does anyone ever wipe down the furniture in the kino? :eek: Yeech!) It's just that the bar staff can make your visit more comfortable with good service It would probably be appreciated, but if you are gonna do it, make it a minimum of at least 5 or 10 euros. I think it is better to skip it than to give 1 or 2 euros to the staff which might be interpreted as an insult. If you do it, be descrete about it. Btw, I have never seen it done, but I am sure someone has in the past.

Xenon U
03-28-09, 23:17
It would probably be appreciated, but if you are gonna do it, make it a minimum of at least 5 or 10 euros. When I check out, I always leave € 5.- at the reception desk for the personnel piggy bank. It's always been appreciated, at least by a friendly smile.

X_U

Masayama
03-30-09, 20:14
On my first couple of FKK visits, I made the "mistake" of tipping.

Now I still occasionally tip, but only if the service was good and the lady spent the whole session with me even if I came e.g. 20 minutes into a 30-minute session or 40 minutes into a 1-hour session.

If the service was otherwise excellent, but she cuts the session short, the unused time should be considered as a replacement for tipping.

Ekliges Lauern
03-30-09, 20:29
On my first couple of FKK visits, I made the "mistake" of tipping.

Now I still occasionally tip, but only if the service was good and the lady spent the whole session with me even if I came e.g. 20 minutes into a 30-minute session or 40 minutes into a 1-hour session.

If the service was otherwise excellent, but she cuts the session short, the unused time should be considered as a replacement for tipping.

Tipping is not expected. In Germany, tipping for things like taxis and service at meals is done by rounding up. For example, a 9,30E cab fare you would round up to 10E. Kind of hard to round up 50E. That said, I have rounded up 75E to 80E when I don't have exact change and the girl is exceptional.

I would never tip other club staff as I don't see anything they are doing as exceptional service.

Seriously, if you want to reward the girl and incent good behavior, reward her with extended time, repeat sessions or indulge in a legitimate extra.

Masayama
03-31-09, 00:40
Tipping is not expected.
There's a big difference between tipping for service that was better than expected, and the the ridiculous US custom of always tipping 15%.


Seriously, if you want to reward the girl and incent good behavior, reward her with extended time, repeat sessions or indulge in a legitimate extra.
At typically 25 to 50 Euro, those options cost much more than e.g. a 10 Euro tip. When I know that she deserves a tip, the time is usually nearly up, so "extras" are really not an option in the same session. Besides, there aren't that many extras that I'm into, especially when BBBJ and DATY are included. Extending a session when I've already come is neither much point to me, except maybe with a massage when the extension only costs 25 Euro.

Repeat sessions may sometimes be an option, but sometimes it's too late (too tired or time to leave), or I'd like to sample some of the other girls. In some cases, a girl I've found worthy of tipping has been in so high demand that I've been unable to find her for another session later that night.

But my main point was actually that tipping, whether it's in form of cash, extra time or "extras", should not be the norm, but a reward when the service is better than normal.

Basketcase
03-31-09, 03:00
It would probably be appreciated, but if you are gonna do it, make it a minimum of at least 5 or 10 euros. I think it is better to skip it than to give 1 or 2 euros to the staff which might be interpreted as an insult. If you do it, be descrete about it. Btw, I have never seen it done, but I am sure someone has in the past.

A few times I picked up some Belgian bonbons or some other items and hand these to bar and reception staff as thanks for doing a good job. I learnt this practice off an American crew member.

I know several of the bar staff at GT always remember what I like to drink. Further, I like to think several of the reception and security staff recall me and allow me in each time I visit whether alone or with a group.

Sometimes there will be a few bonbons for the girls. These are appreciated I think as well. Convenient when passing through an airport that does a nice selection or when I have some forethought when in my homeland to go to a specialty chocolatier to pick a few items up.

Myrmidon
03-31-09, 03:42
A few times I picked up some Belgian bonbons or some other items and hand these to bar and reception staff as thanks for doing a good job. I learnt this practice off an American crew member.

I know several of the bar staff at GT always remember what I like to drink. Further, I like to think several of the reception and security staff recall me and allow me in each time I visit whether alone or with a group.

Sometimes there will be a few bonbons for the girls. These are appreciated I think as well. Convenient when passing through an airport that does a nice selection or when I have some forethought when in my homeland to go to a specialty chocolatier to pick a few items up.

Who told you I was thinking of bringing some maple sugar? Last time I was in-country I brought liquid maple sugar that the locals drank like a liqueur! Nothing like a little sweets for the sweet.

Ortos
04-02-09, 11:32
Tipping is not expected. In Germany, tipping for things like taxis and service at meals is done by rounding up. For example, a 9,30E cab fare you would round up to 10E. Kind of hard to round up 50E. That said, I have rounded up 75E to 80E when I don't have exact change and the girl is exceptional.

I would never tip other club staff as I don't see anything they are doing as exceptional service.

Seriously, if you want to reward the girl and incent good behavior, reward her with extended time, repeat sessions or indulge in a legitimate extra.

I thought it interesting to post the following:

I was just reading a report by a German guest about his latest visit to Oase. His report was posted on the German board Lustscout earlier today. In this post I came across this juicy tidbit:

"Ich überreichte ihr am Wertfach die 100 € plus Tip. Da die Zeit schon sehr weit fortgeschritten war fuhr ich heim."

Sounds like more than just tourists are visiting these clubs and tipping! I thought it was funny that some guys claim Germans never tip, but clearly sometimes even the locals do...!

Ortos

Ekliges Lauern
04-02-09, 13:21
I thought it interesting to post the following:

I was just reading a report by a German guest about his latest visit to Oase. His report was posted on the German board Lustscout earlier today. In this post I came across this juicy tidbit:

"Ich überreichte ihr am Wertfach die 100 € plus Tip. Da die Zeit schon sehr weit fortgeschritten war fuhr ich heim."

Sounds like more than just tourists are visiting these clubs and tipping! I thought it was funny that some guys claim Germans never tip, but clearly sometimes even the locals do...!

Ortos

Yep, I was careful in how I worded my response as Germans do tips in some situations (restaurants, bars, taxis, etc.). I never stated Germans never tip, because they clearly do in some situations. By US standards, the amounts that Germans tip is rather modest in comparison.

I would counsel guys coming from the North America, please do not tip as you would at home (15-20%) to every girl. We already have a bit of a stereotype as being easy marks. If you receive exceptional service and want to, feel free to give the girl an extra 5-10 Euro. I've only tipped when the woman and the session was exceptional and it was a situation where I simply rounded up (no change from 80E for a 75E session). The women would rather have longer sessions, extras (legitimate) or your repeat business than a few extra Euro tip. Don't feel guilty or pressured into tipping.

Akibono
04-02-09, 16:12
Yep, I was careful in how I worded my response as Germans do tips in some situations (restaurants, bars, taxis, etc.). I never stated Germans never tip, because they clearly do in some situations. By US standards, the amounts that Germans tip is rather modest in comparison.

I would counsel guys coming from the North America, please do not tip as you would at home (15-20%) to every girl. We already have a bit of a stereotype as being easy marks. If you receive exceptional service and want to, feel free to give the girl an extra 5-10 Euro. I've only tipped when the woman and the session was exceptional and it was a situation where I simply rounded up (no change from 80E for a 75E session). The women would rather have longer sessions, extras (legitimate) or your repeat business than a few extra Euro tip. Don't feel guilty or pressured into tipping.

German don't tip as a matter of social policy. Rounding up is more for convenience. In many countries tips are considered demeaning because it connotates a master-servant relationship.

However, it is not uncommon for the best girls to receive "gifts" from their regulars around Christmas or a girl's birthday.

There are two problems with tipping. First, you spoil the girl. Second, you create an arms race. Don't think you will get special favors simply because you tip. If a girl likes you and you treat them well, you will be treated as someone special. A big tipper is merely viewed as as fool or easy mark. Some people use tips to show status. It's like the athletes who order expensive bottles of Champage at strip clubs or who throw money around in the VIP lounge. It accomplishes nothing--except a temporary boost to some people's ego.

Clubs are just a place to enjoy sex. It is a place where men can put away their competitive instincts and bond. As much as some men fantasize about a "relationship," this experience is transient. There are always new women, some hotter than the rest, and even the prettiest ones eventually grow old.

Optimist
04-02-09, 18:55
Ortos - well spotted. Fact - some workers find that significant tips are common, especially from german guests.
Of course, regardless of that we concur in the general advice of Ekliges and Akibono and others -DON'T tip but DO pay for longer or additional sessions. This helps create a good service ethos and a more relaxed atmosphere in which sharks do not flourish

Euro100
04-09-09, 13:57
I thought it interesting to post the following:

I was just reading a report by a German guest about his latest visit to Oase. His report was posted on the German board Lustscout earlier today. In this post I came across this juicy tidbit:

"Ich überreichte ihr am Wertfach die 100 € plus Tip. Da die Zeit schon sehr weit fortgeschritten war fuhr ich heim."

Sounds like more than just tourists are visiting these clubs and tipping! I thought it was funny that some guys claim Germans never tip, but clearly sometimes even the locals do...!

Ortos

There is no such thing as the "average German", just as there is no such thing as the average American (or whatever countries we are from). Not all locals are created equal; some watch their money, some want to impress with throwing it around. The general rule is that tips are not expected, because the service charge (and tax, too, btw) are all included in the final price for anything and everything. Rounding up in the way that Ekliges Lauern (I have to laugh every time I type in that user name) describes is generally the way to go for a generous person in Germany.

Bottom line: the "100+tip" that you spotted, Ortos, is completely possible, but it is still not the norm. In a way it reminds me of another curious behavior that I see in some young German males, who buy relatively cheap cars, and then dress them up to the hilt, by putting wide tires and racing paint and altered exhaust pipes and the like on them. If you really want to impress with a car, buying the Porsche works better in the first place. If one really wants to impress in FKK-land, then go for a longer session, instead of giving a 10 or 20 euro "tip".

euro

Jack Ryan1
04-16-09, 22:17
Hi

I have just a couple of questions as a newcomer, I'm finally getting around to arranging my first trip to a sauna club / FKK and would appreciate a little bit of advice.

Firstly, I am headed to the Dusseldorf area, I have 3 places in mind, which would people say would be the best for someone totally new to this.

1) GoldenTime
2) Living Room
3) Villa Vertigo

I would be visiting during the week. I am leaning towards GoldenTime from what I am reading on here although the wait for rooms concerns me, is this only a problem in the evening, or during the day aswell?

Also I notice that most of the places open at 11am, is it unusual to be there just after 11am or would it be better to go later in the afternoon? Would there be any girls there from the beginning?

Cheers :)

Penvagano
04-17-09, 17:16
Hello,

Somebody could help me?

I´m planning to travel to Berlin and I´d like to know where to find women who offer finsting anal (my hand into their asses).

Thank you for your help.

Fernando

Penvagano
04-17-09, 17:19
Hello,

I'm planning to travel to Berlin and I'm interested in women who offer fisting anal (my hand into their asses).

Somebody could help me with this information

Penvagano
04-17-09, 17:22
Hello,

I´m planning to travel to Berlin and I´d like to find women who offer fisting anal (my han intro her ass).

Sombody could help me?


Hi

I have just a couple of questions as a newcomer, I'm finally getting around to arranging my first trip to a sauna club / FKK and would appreciate a little bit of advice.

Firstly, I am headed to the Dusseldorf area, I have 3 places in mind, which would people say would be the best for someone totally new to this.

1) GoldenTime
2) Living Room
3) Villa Vertigo

I would be visiting during the week. I am leaning towards GoldenTime from what I am reading on here although the wait for rooms concerns me, is this only a problem in the evening, or during the day aswell?

Also I notice that most of the places open at 11am, is it unusual to be there just after 11am or would it be better to go later in the afternoon? Would there be any girls there from the beginning?

Cheers :)

Angus Magee
04-17-09, 19:37
Hello,

I´m planning to travel to Berlin and I´d like to find women who offer fisting anal (my han intro her ass).

Sombody could help me?

First of all I would suggest that you post in the Berlin thread so that more people see you post. Here it will not be seen-just happened across it myself as I rarely check this thread (hey, I'm bored tonight).

As your request and interest requires a lady with a fairly specific skill set I suggest that you may have to visit one of the Berlin S&M studios. And as I am not into this area of sexual fulfillment (S&M that is) I am not sure if I personally can be of much help except in very general ways.

Have a look here

http://www.rotlichtadresse.de/

You will find, I think, a section with S&M studios.

I am sorry to say that I think your request will be hard to fill-a bit of stretch, so to speak Sorry-could not resist that one). You will pretty easily find a lady willing to fist fuck you. The other way around will be more difficult and she may be a larger type lady, for obvious reasons.

Ekliges Lauern
04-17-09, 21:11
Firstly, I am headed to the Dusseldorf area, I have 3 places in mind, which would people say would be the best for someone totally new to this.

1) GoldenTime
2) Living Room
3) Villa Vertigo

I would be visiting during the week. I am leaning towards GoldenTime from what I am reading on here although the wait for rooms concerns me, is this only a problem in the evening, or during the day aswell?

Every club has its plusses and minuses. What is important to you? Visual quality of the lineup? Number of girls? Quality of service? Is public sex (or at least Kino sex or outdoor sex) important to you? Do you like a relaxed, mellow vibe or more of a rave party? Easier to answer if we know a little about what you like.


Also I notice that most of the places open at 11am, is it unusual to be there just after 11am or would it be better to go later in the afternoon? Would there be any girls there from the beginning?

Cheers :)

I've seen guys line up to get in at GT at opening. Coverage is light (there are girls that sleep in the club and are usually available at opening time). Most guys have breakfast and a coffee or two before picking a girl to go to the room with.

Basketcase
04-17-09, 21:39
I've seen guys line up to get in at GT at opening. Coverage is light (there are girls that sleep in the club and are usually available at opening time). Most guys have breakfast and a coffee or two before picking a girl to go to the room with.

You can sometimes see me lining up at opening time but due to flight timetable changes I can longer make 11am opening at the NRW clubs since flights now arrive in the mid afternoon so I do not get to the club until a bit later.

Always a danger of not being allowed in since the club is "voll" or full when arriving around 4pm or so. Some girls even said that to me - make sure you avoid peak times or else the thekefrau may not let you in.

Chaos,

Jack Ryan1
04-18-09, 00:42
Every club has its plusses and minuses. What is important to you? Visual quality of the lineup? Number of girls? Quality of service? Is public sex (or at least Kino sex or outdoor sex) important to you? Do you like a relaxed, mellow vibe or more of a rave party? Easier to answer if we know a little about what you like.

I've seen guys line up to get in at GT at opening. Coverage is light (there are girls that sleep in the club and are usually available at opening time). Most guys have breakfast and a coffee or two before picking a girl to go to the room with.Thanks for the replies, to answer the questions, the visual quality, number of girls and service are important to me.

I am not that interested in the public sex, (not sure how I would 'perform'). I'd prefer a more relaxed experience to a rave style party.

I am planning on arriving between 11 and 12 in the morning so hopefully that shouldn't be a problem in terms of the places being full. Its either going to be a Wednesday or Thursday that I go.

Thanks

Ekliges Lauern
04-18-09, 14:04
Thanks for the replies, to answer the questions, the visual quality, number of girls and service are important to me.

I am not that interested in the public sex, (not sure how I would 'perform'). I'd prefer a more relaxed experience to a rave style party.

I am planning on arriving between 11 and 12 in the morning so hopefully that shouldn't be a problem in terms of the places being full. Its either going to be a Wednesday or Thursday that I go.

Thanks

GT

Be aware that if you are African, Middle Eastern or from the Southern Asian, VV is a safer choice.

John Moore
04-20-09, 14:17
I just have a small question, as I have never been on a FKK where the drinks costs money (alcoholic beverages) I dont know how you pay if you would like a beer or something. Do you get the money from your locker and pay at the bar or do you keep a tab?

Basketcase
04-20-09, 20:28
I just have a small question, as I have never been on a FKK where the drinks costs money (alcoholic beverages) I dont know how you pay if you would like a beer or something. Do you get the money from your locker and pay at the bar or do you keep a tab?

John Moore,

Others may correct me but this is what I know:

Golden Time - beer (bottles) and wines (and champagne too per reports) are inclusive in the entrance price of €50. There is also a help your self beer fridges open to all. Just help your self.

Living Room - beer (bottles) and wines (and champagne too per reports) are inclusive in the entrance price of €50.

Villa Vertigo - beer and wine inclusive in entrance price of €50. You get the beer and wine from the bartenders.

Planet Happy Garden - beer (bottles) and wines are inclusive in the entrance price of €50. There is a bar area call the Nacht cafe where you help yourself to the fridge or go to the manned bar.

World - there is one type of beer free in your entrance price of €65. The bar here works on a prepaid cardboard ticket system. You buy the prepaid cardboard ticket from the reception and the bar staff clip your card when you buy your drinks.

Oase - all alcoholic beverages is extra over an above your €65 entrance fee. If you want beer, spirits or champagne you pay for it at reception and receive a plastic token that you redeem from the bar.

Palace - I am not sure but I think only champagne is served and is not included in your €75 entrance. You pay at Reception and a girl delivers it to you.

I hope this helps.

John Moore
04-20-09, 20:37
John Moore,

Others may correct me but this is what I know:

Golden Time - beer (bottles) and wines (and champagne too per reports) are inclusive in the entrance price of €50. There is also a help your self beer fridges open to all. Just help your self.

Living Room - beer (bottles) and wines (and champagne too per reports) are inclusive in the entrance price of €50.

Villa Vertigo - beer and wine inclusive in entrance price of €50. You get the beer and wine from the bartenders.

Planet Happy Garden - beer (bottles) and wines are inclusive in the entrance price of €50. There is a bar area call the Nacht cafe where you help yourself to the fridge or go to the manned bar.

World - there is one type of beer free in your entrance price of €65. The bar here works on a prepaid cardboard ticket system. You buy the prepaid cardboard ticket from the reception and the bar staff clip your card when you buy your drinks.

Oase - all alcoholic beverages is extra over an above your €65 entrance fee. If you want beer, spirits or champagne you pay for it at reception and receive a plastic token that you redeem from the bar.

Palace - I am not sure but I think only champagne is served and is not included in your €75 entrance. You pay at Reception and a girl delivers it to you.

I hope this helps.Thanks Basketcase. Didn't see the help yourself beer-thingy at GT last year though maybe is something new or I just missed it.

If anyone have more info about Palace i'd be very grateful. Do like an occasional beer.

Zelatrix
04-20-09, 22:16
Samya Cologne.

Bottles of Beer are free. They have around 6 different types. There are two fridges on the ground floor and two more on the second floor.

You just help yourself.

Other alcholic drinks are available but you have to pay. Not sure how much.

Z

Globus
04-21-09, 01:01
Palace - I am not sure but I think only champagne is served and is not included in your €75 entrance. You pay at Reception and a girl delivers it to you.


Some months ago, I overheard a conversation at the bar in front at Palace: A guy was asking for some alcoholic drink (some liquor, I think). When the staff was quoting the price he was shocked and finally declined.

They do serve other alcoholic drinks besides champagne, but apparently for a hefty price. But I can't tell in detail.

Big30
04-21-09, 01:09
John Moore,

Others may correct me but this is what I know:

Oase - all alcoholic beverages is extra over an above your €65 entrance fee. If you want beer, spirits or champagne you pay for it at reception and receive a plastic token that you redeem from the bar.

I hope this helps.

In Oase a 33cl bottle of Beer will cost you 10 euro, eek! Nein Danke :-)!

Cheers,
Big30

Akibono
04-21-09, 03:51
In Oase a 33cl bottle of Beer will cost you 10 euro, eek! Nein Danke :-)!

Cheers,
Big30

The clubs aren't too proud to enhance profits by serving alcohol. More clubs are providing it these days. However, the high prices is to discourage drunkeness. Drunks are more trouble than they are worth. It seems there are more incidences these days at the clubs than in the past. Alcohol does not appear to be the cause.

Iseeu
04-21-09, 04:18
General rule is that NRW and northern clubs have free beer, but like all rules there are exceptions. I don't usually imbibe while "on the job" (and I generally have a car anyway) but these are what I remember:

Bernd's - Beer is free. Small selection of booze and mixers, and it's all included in the entrance fee . Vodka-limon is a house favorite. Girls are not supposed to drink on the job, but will sometimes ask as you're zimmer-bound to get a vodka-limon for "yourself". Some of the regulars are known to bring Bailey's which is an SP favorite. Champagne is extra.

Babylon- Draft and bottled beer- free.

Samya- beer is free.

F39- bottled beer is free from the self-service fridge.

Zeus- All drinks including non- alcoholic ones are charged separately.

Harem- Has different pricing schemes. The all inclusive rate includes draft beer. On the "standard" tariff, you need to pay for soft drinks. Nice selection of alcoholic drinks, but you need to buy a prepaid voucher from the desk.

Villa- Big bar selection. But only non-alcoholic drinks are included in the entrance fee.

Heaven's Gate- beer and alcohol are charged for.

Finca- Nice bar selection, plus beer and mixed cocktails. All charged for.

Basketcase
04-21-09, 08:12
Thanks Basketcase. Didn't see the help yourself beer-thingy at GT last year though maybe is something new or I just missed it.

Hi John Moore,

Did you not have someone we both know give you the grand tour when you were at Golden Time?

In the back yard area of Golden Time if you walk past the couches underneath the verandah you would have come to the wooden platofrm area where there would have been more couches either out in the open (in Summer time in 2008) or in the tent. To the far left adjacent to the main building structure would have been plugged in a stand up beer fridge with a glass door to allow a user to see the fridge's beer selection.

Maybe you were too tied up with lusty women in the main contact areas of Golden Time. If so - well done. It seems like you had your priorities in order.

Big30
04-21-09, 10:48
The clubs aren't too proud to enhance profits by serving alcohol. More clubs are providing it these days. However, the high prices is to discourage drunkeness. Drunks are more trouble than they are worth. It seems there are more incidences these days at the clubs than in the past. Alcohol does not appear to be the cause.

It is actually not that long ago (begin 2008, do not remember any more exactly) that you can buy beer in BHH. I do not have a problem with the alcohol policy in BHH. It is just a remarkable fact. 65 euro eintrit and no beer and most of the time bad food, no pizza at 22hr as in most of the NRW clubs, actually no food at all in BHH after diner.

Big30
04-21-09, 10:54
General rule is that NRW and northern clubs have free beer, but like all rules there are exceptions. I don't usually imbibe while "on the job" (and I generally have a car anyway) but these are what I remember:

Villa- Big bar selection. But only non-alcoholic drinks are included in the entrance fee.


I think you mean FKK-Villa in Hannover and not Villa Vertigo in Grefrath. In VV beer is included.

Big30

Ekliges Lauern
04-21-09, 11:13
General rule is that NRW and northern clubs have free beer, but like all rules there are exceptions. I don't usually imbibe while "on the job" (and I generally have a car anyway) but these are what I remember:

Bernd's - Beer is free. Small selection of booze and mixers, and it's all included in the entrance fee . Vodka-limon is a house favorite. Girls are not supposed to drink on the job, but will sometimes ask as you're zimmer-bound to get a vodka-limon for "yourself". Some of the regulars are known to bring Bailey's which is an SP favorite. Champagne is extra.

Babylon- Draft and bottled beer- free.

Samya- beer is free.

F39- bottled beer is free from the self-service fridge.

Zeus- All drinks including non- alcoholic ones are charged separately.

Harem- Has different pricing schemes. The all inclusive rate includes draft beer. On the "standard" tariff, you need to pay for soft drinks. Nice selection of alcoholic drinks, but you need to buy a prepaid voucher from the desk.

Villa- Big bar selection. But only non-alcoholic drinks are included in the entrance fee.

Heaven's Gate- beer and alcohol are charged for.

Finca- Nice bar selection, plus beer and mixed cocktails. All charged for.

Not to nitpick, but F39 does not have beer in the self service fridge.

John Moore
04-21-09, 14:55
Hi John Moore,

Did you not have someone we both know give you the grand tour when you were at Golden Time?

In the back yard area of Golden Time if you walk past the couches underneath the verandah you would have come to the wooden platofrm area where there would have been more couches either out in the open (in Summer time in 2008) or in the tent. To the far left adjacent to the main building structure would have been plugged in a stand up beer fridge with a glass door to allow a user to see the fridge's beer selection.

Maybe you were too tied up with lusty women in the main contact areas of Golden Time. If so - well done. It seems like you had your priorities in order.Yes I sure did but can't remember it or him talking about it, it was early 2008 and during the night so the outdoor-area wasn't open, though I went with two german ladies to one of the cabins outside, damn it was cold before the heater did it's thing but quite nice getting warm with two lovely ladies. Hehe, yes my priorities was sure else where.

So beer will cost me extra at Palace? I'm no drunk though so I will survive without it.

Thanks for all replies, quite a discussion going on now.

Iseeu
04-21-09, 16:34
I think you mean FKK-Villa in Hannover and not Villa Vertigo in Grefrath. In VV beer is included.
Yes, of course, I was referring to Villa- Hannover, not VV.


Not to nitpick, but F39 does not have beer in the self service fridge.
Isn't there a free-standing fridge near the coffee machine? Could be that I'm mixing this up with another club and if I am I stand corrected.

Ekliges Lauern
04-21-09, 19:17
Isn't there a free-standing fridge near the coffee machine? Could be that I'm mixing this up with another club and if I am I stand corrected.

There is. If memory serves, it contained coke, coke light, bottled water and maybe fanta.

Completely understand not focusing on the fridge contents, as there are much more important things to focus on.

Travelerb69
04-23-09, 23:28
F39- bottled beer is free from the self-service fridge.

Heaven's Gate- beer and alcohol are charged for.


F39- I second EL. No beer available.

Heaven'sgate- beer is for free, one has just to ask at the bar.

Iseeu
04-24-09, 13:06
F39- I second EL. No beer available.

Heaven'sgate- beer is for free, one has just to ask at the bar.
And I wasn't even drinking. Must have been some other reasons for my muddled mind.

Tomm Boyytoyy
04-25-09, 19:32
After the club closes for the night, has anybody had any luck taking a girl back for the night to wake up together with? Just rest. With or without action for the night.

How possible is it to get the girl to see you on her off-day from work and travel around and show you some of Germany? Is it ok to proposition that or is that grounds for being thrown out of the fkk?

Looking for guidance and past experiences if any in this line, from some of the more experienced and adventurous mongers.

Tx,

Tom

Angus Magee
04-26-09, 08:28
After the club closes for the night, has anybody had any luck taking a girl back for the night to wake up together with? Just rest. With or without action for the night.

Well in this life anything is possible. But he above scenario I would find very unlikely unless you had a particularly good connection, multiple visits and deep pockets.


How possible is it to get the girl to see you on her off-day from work and travel around and show you some of Germany? Is it ok to proposition that or is that grounds for being thrown out of the fkk?

This is more likely. But again you would need to get to know the girl first (this is just common sense). And again deep pockets.

Asking the girls for outside contact is risky for them, and perhaps for you if you make a big deal of it. Most clubs, as I understand it, have policies against such meetings and the girl takes a risk in doing so. So if you do ask be very discrete and don't expect a yes after banging her for one half hour session.

Stoo77
05-12-09, 00:32
Can someone give me the lowdown on FKK. I would like to go from North America but have know idea where to start. There's too much information on this forum.

Vito Corleone
05-12-09, 08:32
Can someone give me the lowdown on FKK. I would like to go from North America but have know idea where to start. There's too much information on this forum.
Easy. Start by doing a simple search.

You can also ask if a monger plans to purchase shoes on EBAY & offer to bring it to Germany to save on shipping. That's how I got started.

Pita123
05-13-09, 21:58
What does optifik mean?

Vito Corleone
05-14-09, 03:28
What does optifik mean?
Sex with a really ugly woman.

Big30
05-14-09, 06:10
What does optifik mean?

Optickfick??? Keine ahnung?? E durere!

Kind Regards,
Big30

Basketcase
05-14-09, 07:40
What does optifik mean?

Fucking ("fuck") with your eyes ("Opti").

Big30
05-14-09, 09:20
What does optifik mean?

Optickfick. Is a combination of 2 words, Optick/Optical and Fick. In the German language it has a negative association. I have no idee what optifik means!!
Da kenne ich mich nicht aus!!

Kind regards,
Big30

Delgado
05-14-09, 12:48
What does optifik mean?

"optik" is the visual appearence, "optikfick" means you´re banging a girl because of her nice visual appearence, regardless of her other qualities...

PeeTeePeet
05-15-09, 09:50
Bit shocking but aren't mongers worried about serious STD risks like herpes, chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrhea from BBBJ. These German outlets cater to hordes of men doing BBBJ and sometimes gangbangs and girls move from club to club. Seems extremely high risk behavior and I have to believe that several mongers in the past may have contracted diseases (sometimes HSV-1 and HSV-2 are sleeping until much later). Even gonorrhea can go undetected for a long time till it gets bad and late.

I have been frequenting the USA guide for a longtime, but am a relative newbie to Germany and trying to understand how such practices can go on so rampantly in an educated monger community.

(I have already searched and read the health threads here but it does not explain such rampant BBBJ in Germany, so thought it best to ask master mongers themselves).

To each his own, and that is respected. But there must be an exchange of information to understand whether this is purely for emotional (feelings) reasons or logical ones. Perhaps I will be better educated if I don't know something, as to why this is safe.

PT

Creature2
05-16-09, 09:52
Can someone give me the lowdown on FKK. I would like to go from North America but have know idea where to start. There's too much information on this forum.



May I kindly recommend you to read the forum. There are lots of useful, handy, valuables informations deep inside the threads, which will save you time and bucks;

Those three links would be handy for you as a shortcut;


http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=769453&postcount=200


http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=498957&postcount=2



http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=498956&postcount=1

Avi27
05-16-09, 12:54
dear mr peeteepeet

please make us a favor and continue to monger in your sex prison usa.

as far as i know std are not less common over there,to say the least.

Hessen Bub
05-16-09, 18:25
i have been frequenting the usa guide for a longtime, but am a relative newbie to germany and trying to understand how such practices can go on so rampantly in an educated monger community.

(i have already searched and read the health threads here but it does not explain such rampant bbbj in germany, so thought it best to ask master mongers themselves).

what do you want? life is a risk. stay in your house, don't cross the street, don't shake anybodies hand, don't drive a car.

i've never had any std in 10 years of bbbj.

hb

Vito Corleone
05-17-09, 03:15
bit shocking but aren't mongers worried about serious std risks like herpes, chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrhea from bbbj. these german outlets cater to hordes of men doing bbbj and sometimes gangbangs and girls move from club to club. seems extremely high risk behavior and i have to believe that several mongers in the past may have contracted diseases (sometimes hsv-1 and hsv-2 are sleeping until much later). even gonorrhea can go undetected for a long time till it gets bad and late.
pt

i am extremely worried. what are these guys thinking taking such a risk like bbbj!

i always use a condom during oral, but i just can't resist bareback sex. i do bbfs 77% of the time.

Toscana
05-17-09, 20:12
bit shocking but aren't mongers worried about serious std risks like herpes, chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrhea from bbbj. these german outlets cater to hordes of men doing bbbj and sometimes gangbangs and girls move from club to club.

to each his own, and that is respected.peeteepeet,

you will never have a problem with a girl in an fkk if you ask her to do a cbj. she will respect your wishes. so it's an issue you need not fear.

M P Lurker
05-18-09, 03:50
What do you want? Life is a risk. Stay in your house, don't cross the street, don't shake anybodies hand, don't drive a car.

I've never had any STD in 10 years of BBBJ.

HBI caught Chlamydia once from BBBJ but not in Germany.

But at least its treatanle.

Another time caught Chlamydia in one eye due to BB pussy fingering (no glove). So wash hands soon!

Fortunately HIV is not that easy to catch.

PeeTeePeet
05-19-09, 19:14
I caught Chlamydia once from BBBJ but not in Germany.

But at least its treatanle.

Another time caught Chlamydia in one eye due to BB pussy fingering (no glove). So wash hands soon!

Fortunately HIV is not that easy to catch.Thanks all. You guys are really helpful. I found Duralong's report extremely helpful also (especially the last 'chapter' of this laboriously crafted report and a great style of writing)

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=868492&postcount=255

It's real data like this that helps all of us make our own decisions that suit our own tastes and lifestyles. I will share my real life experiences also to give back to this incredible forum.

PT

AColonizer
05-26-09, 21:32
please, understand what i am explaining:

i know what you mean, but the statistics say the truth:

in all western countries, at least 50% of men (most husbands with happy families) have occasional sex with no previous medical check-up

and, specifically, they have sex with prostitutes of all kinds, and they want, at least, uncovered fellatio, usually with swallow.

some of them want total uncovered oral, vaginal, anal sex.

if it is true what the conformist public opinion says, then we should have all hospitals full of i'll people because of venereal diseases.

instead, our hospitals collect few cases of venereal diseases.

here's your reply. this is from men's point of view.

much worse is from women's point of view.

can you imagine a young girl who swallowed sperm from about 20000 different men in ten years and now she has no serious diseases? or she was used to receive anal fisting (all hand more 10 cm after wrist) and now she defecates like you?


bit shocking but aren't mongers worried about serious std risks like herpes, chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrhea from bbbj. these german outlets cater to hordes of men doing bbbj and sometimes gangbangs and girls move from club to club. seems extremely high risk behavior and i have to believe that several mongers in the past may have contracted diseases (sometimes hsv-1 and hsv-2 are sleeping until much later). even gonorrhea can go undetected for a long time till it gets bad and late.

i have been frequenting the usa guide for a longtime, but am a relative newbie to germany and trying to understand how such practices can go on so rampantly in an educated monger community.

(i have already searched and read the health threads here but it does not explain such rampant bbbj in germany, so thought it best to ask master mongers themselves).

to each his own, and that is respected. but there must be an exchange of information to understand whether this is purely for emotional (feelings) reasons or logical ones. perhaps i will be better educated if i don't know something, as to why this is safe.

pt

Vito Corleone
06-01-09, 01:33
There is. If memory serves, it contained coke, coke light, bottled water and maybe fanta.

Completely understand not focusing on the fridge contents, as there are much more important things to focus on.
We are waiting for your trip report!

Catmouse123
06-30-09, 02:26
I have tried to read about cum in mouth and of course, I understand the definition. But a very fundamental question at the FKK: is the CIM with condom or without condom? And how does this work? When you have sex and ready to orgasm, you just tell her you're ready to come, and she takes the condom off and you come in her mouth? How does the whole process work?

Thank you!

Basketcase
06-30-09, 05:34
I have tried to read about cum in mouth and of course, I understand the definition. But a very fundamental question at the FKK: is the CIM with condom or without condom? And how does this work? When you have sex and ready to orgasm, you just tell her you're ready to come, and she takes the condom off and you come in her mouth? How does the whole process work?

Thank you!

Catmouse123,

CIM finish or FT finish is without condom.

What this means is that your CIM ending can be from a session that entirely comprises the lady sucking your Schwanz to completion like in a Kino BBBJ session ==> BBBJTCIM.

OR

You have had the normal suck and fuck session and you want to end in her mouth so after fucking - you or she pulls off the condom and she goes to work on your knob until you let rip in her mouth. The best girls are the ones that do not immediately jump up off you as soon as the first spurt flies. Most girls that I do FT / CIM finishes with stay on you with that entire mouths holding your shaft and head in their mouths until you stop coming whilst continuing to suck you gently coaxing the last spurts of come from your Eier (eggs).

Not all girls do FT / CIM so you may want to ask first before ripping condoms off and offering it to her mouth. In my experience it is a rare girl that does not perform CIM finish though.

Go and try it, enjoy and please report back your experiences on this forum.

Avi27
07-05-09, 20:35
In some of the fkk sites the girls profile includes Natursekst.

What does it mean?

Thanks

Rufus T Firefly
07-06-09, 04:52
in some of the fkk sites the girls profile includes natursekst.
what does it mean?
thanks

natur/sekt = natural champagne
a euphemism for [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)/[CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109)

Suller Joe
08-22-09, 01:19
Can anyone advice on the best thai brothel/FKK/Partytreff in Germany?

Looking for goods looks & high quality in general. Sort of a decent substitute for taking the long trip to Thailand.

Thanks for any tip.

Member #4359
08-25-09, 15:45
I have noticed the phrase "body insemination" used in a lot of websites and ads and am wondering exactly what it means. Specifically does it mean the same as AO, come in pussy?

Ekliges Lauern
08-26-09, 02:22
Can anyone advice on the best thai brothel/FKK/Partytreff in Germany?

Looking for goods looks & high quality in general. Sort of a decent substitute for taking the long trip to Thailand.

Thanks for any tip.

For Thai girls you really should go to Thailand. There are a number of FKKs with one or more Thai girls, but I'm not aware of a Thai FKK. A number of years back, there was a Partytreff called Pegasus in Duesseldorf that had a selection of MILFy looking Thai women. I never went as the ladies advertised on the website seemed a little long in the tooth.

The average Thai girl working in a German FKK seems older than the average you find working the bars in Pattaya. I suspect many of the Thai girls working in FKKs in Germany married German mongers and it didn't work out and decided they could make a good living working in Germany when it would be difficult back in Thailand because they would be competing with mostly younger women.

Palace has a number of Thai girls, but no gaurentee they will be working when you are there. The board consensus is that Bee is the cream of the crop. I've had a few Thai girls at Oase, but most were older and MILFy.

I've seen as many as five Thai girls at one time at GT. At least 2 are quite MILFy. I've seen three at one time in F39, but you have a reasonable chance when going no Thai girls will be there.

If you like Chinese girls, I've had good experiences with the Asia Sex World, Asia Sex Club, Asia Sauna chain. Link is below, you can find links to the sister clubs:

http://www.asia-sauna.de/

Almost every girl is Chinese and claims to be a Uni student. 80E gets you a nice 40 minutes of sex with CIM. Not a place to spend the day, but I've had some great sessions. I do wonder if most of the Chinese girls in German Unis are fucking guys for some extra Euro in these clubs.

Finally, I did once venture to a club called Niloticus (since closed) which according to a Dutch monger I met, was supposedly the same concept as Golden Time stocked with HK Chinese girls. Two girls, lackluster service, big disappointment.

Basketcase
08-26-09, 08:55
For Thai girls you really should go to Thailand.

I've seen as many as five Thai girls at one time at GT. At least 2 are quite MILFy.

I agree with Ekliges Lauern. In my experience, the place with the most Thai girls that I have seen is Golden Time. Oase has a couple, Palace has a regular coterie of them.

The reality is that if you want a large selection of Thai women then head to Thailand.

In my home town, I know guys that know all the haunts for Asian girls: Indians are in XXXX, Philipinos can be picked up in YYYYY bar and if you want Thais then go to ZZZZZZZ club. These girls are normal girls so are picked up like any normal girl out for a good time with a good man.

Angus Magee
08-26-09, 09:13
I have noticed the phrase "body insemination" used in a lot of websites and ads and am wondering exactly what it means. Specifically does it mean the same as AO, come in pussy?

Body insemination (translated from the German Körperbesamung I assume) means that you deposit your load somewhere on the lady's body-most usually the breasts but sometimes the lower back or belly. In the world of bordellos it will usually be charged as an extra unless you know the lady or have paid for FO as an extra.

In FKK land I think it is a ymmv thing. I understand that at the big FKK this is often charged as a 50 euro extra. Outrageous IMO.

I would rarely myself have need of this service but at Artemis (keep in mind that this is with ladies with whom I have a rapport) I have never been charged extra for this.

AO refers to "Alles Ohne" and means bbfs, but as I understand it, not necessarily come in pussy. When AO is available (and it is surprisingly common) it will rarely be advertised except as the rather cryptic Tabulos.

Chchpunter
09-11-09, 22:26
Hi,

I'm a visitor to Germany and considering to take part in some mongering activities over here. I was wondering whether the comdoms are supplied in the FKK clubs by the girls?

Thx

Wandere
09-12-09, 18:39
Yes,you will get the condoms by the girl.


Hi,

I'm a visitor to Germany and considering to take part in some mongering activities over here. I was wondering whether the comdoms are supplied in the FKK clubs by the girls?

Thx

Sky Ryder
09-29-09, 16:47
Basket, Jackyo, et al

I have to admit that I am more than a little disappointed by the recent postings about VV. I have limited most of my NW area visits to this place, because I had such a good time. It has been about a year of so though since the last visit. The reason for this post is that I have a trip to Amsterdam later in the week. While it has the "bawdy" reputation, I find it to be overpriced and underserving. I am planning on taking a day trip or a 1 nighter to Germany to enjoy myself. What I am hoping to find are a couple of nice clubs in the same general vicinity as VV that would be worth a drive to visit. I don't want to go any further south, if possible. I know I will possibly get the "RTFF" quote and have, but I am asking for a recommendation from those that maybe enjoyed VV and have now moved on to "greener' pastures. I figure maybe we have similar tastes in establishments and I would enjoy similar things as you.
Thank you in advance!

Sky

Akibono
09-29-09, 20:03
Basket, Jackyo, et al

I have to admit that I am more than a little disappointed by the recent postings about VV. I have limited most of my NW area visits to this place, because I had such a good time. It has been about a year of so though since the last visit. The reason for this post is that I have a trip to Amsterdam later in the week. While it has the "bawdy" reputation, I find it to be overpriced and underserving. I am planning on taking a day trip or a 1 nighter to Germany to enjoy myself. What I am hoping to find are a couple of nice clubs in the same general vicinity as VV that would be worth a drive to visit. I don't want to go any further south, if possible. I know I will possibly get the "RTFF" quote and have, but I am asking for a recommendation from those that maybe enjoyed VV and have now moved on to "greener' pastures. I figure maybe we have similar tastes in establishments and I would enjoy similar things as you.
Thank you in advance!

Sky

Try PHG, GT, and LR.

Basketcase
09-30-09, 00:23
Basket, Jackyo, et al

I have to admit that I am more than a little disappointed by the recent postings about VV. I have limited most of my NW area visits to this place, because I had such a good time. It has been about a year of so though since the last visit. The reason for this post is that I have a trip to Amsterdam later in the week. While it has the "bawdy" reputation, I find it to be overpriced and underserving. I am planning on taking a day trip or a 1 nighter to Germany to enjoy myself. What I am hoping to find are a couple of nice clubs in the same general vicinity as VV that would be worth a drive to visit. I don't want to go any further south, if possible. I know I will possibly get the "RTFF" quote and have, but I am asking for a recommendation from those that maybe enjoyed VV and have now moved on to "greener' pastures. I figure maybe we have similar tastes in establishments and I would enjoy similar things as you.
Thank you in advance!

Sky

If I was coming from AMS and had the wheels and the time then go to Golden Time near Bruggen or for a bit further to go but you get a slower pace then go to Samya in Cologne area.

There is also Planet Happy Garden or Yin Yang near Roermond / Melick but if your tastes (and not just the taste in women) are like mine then you will like Golden Time and Samya for a short trip like a weekend. If you have the extra days then stop in on Planet Happy Garden, Living Room and Yin Yang.

Maybe even try the red light district in the Hague - I have fond memories of wandering that open square area and the covered area of the Gelenstraat near Holland Spoor train station (ZYH) / Den Haag HS. Further afield is Antwerp for their red light district which is like Amsterdam before the authorities started closing the windows.

For me, if I go back to Villa Vertigo it would be if I did not want any sex and just wanted to use their facilities and consume the comestibles.

I am not saying do not go to Villa Vertigo. It is just my opinion. You read it and you decide.

The issue is that I am not the only one saying that the sentiment in Villa Vertigo feels like no sex goes on.

Sky Ryder
09-30-09, 12:13
If I was coming from AMS and had the wheels and the time then go to Golden Time near Bruggen or for a bit further to go but you get a slower pace then go to Samya in Cologne area.

There is also Planet Happy Garden or Yin Yang near Roermond / Melick but if your tastes (and not just the taste in women) are like mine then you will like Golden Time and Samya for a short trip like a weekend. If you have the extra days then stop in on Planet Happy Garden, Living Room and Yin Yang.

Maybe even try the red light district in the Hague - I have fond memories of wandering that open square area and the covered area of the Gelenstraat near Holland Spoor train station (ZYH) / Den Haag HS. Further afield is Antwerp for their red light district which is like Amsterdam before the authorities started closing the windows.

For me, if I go back to Villa Vertigo it would be if I did not want any sex and just wanted to use their facilities and consume the comestibles.

I am not saying do not go to Villa Vertigo. It is just my opinion. You read it and you decide.

The issue is that I am not the only one saying that the sentiment in Villa Vertigo feels like no sex goes on.

Basket,

Thanks and to all the others as well. That is exactly the kind of info I was hoping for. As it turns out, it seems that Samya is having a 5th anniversary party on Friday, so it seems that it might be a good time to go!! I don't how long the drive is from Amsterdam, but it can't be more than 3 hours or so.
I thought about just staying local and going to Den Hague, and I tried a place or two there a couple of weeks back. The only issue is you go in, choose a girl, (from limited supply) head to the room and then leave afterwards. The prices is less overall, but so is the experience. I am not much on the windows other than looking, I don't enjoy the wam/bam like I used too and if makes same day repeats a little awkward.
I was going to train it down to Koln, but can't make a one day trip worthwhile since Samya closes at 1 and the first train doesn't leave until 5ish.
I will either have to rent a car, or spend the night...
Thanks again and I will try to post about the experience when I can!
Regards,
Sky

Angus Magee
09-30-09, 12:35
Basket,

Thanks and to all the others as well. That is exactly the kind of info I was hoping for. As it turns out, it seems that Samya is having a 5th anniversary party on Friday, so it seems that it might be a good time to go!!

And it may not be. Read my posting from today about Artemis' 4th birthday bash. Take it for what it is worth as I have to admit I was not feeling tops last night. But there were rather a lot of the owners friends there and some sort of VIP list (different wrist bands) who seemed to take up the girls' time & attention.

I also noticed a couple of girls who would appear from time to time wearing white bath robes and carrying drinks upstairs. So I have a feeling that there was an even more exclusive event somewhere upstairs.

I'm not suggesting there was anything wrong with all of this. The owner certainly has the right to celebrate his successful business as he sees fit. But as a regular paying customer I found that the night did not measure up to a regular busy evening of business.

It was fun but if it were my only visit there I would have been disappointed. I just know that things will be back to normal the next time I go.

AM

Basketcase
09-30-09, 20:16
Basket,

As it turns out, it seems that Samya is having a 5th anniversary party on Friday, so it seems that it might be a good time to go!! I don't how long the drive is from Amsterdam, but it can't be more than 3 hours or so.

I was going to train it down to Koln, but can't make a one day trip worthwhile since Samya closes at 1 and the first train doesn't leave until 5ish.
I will either have to rent a car, or spend the night...
Thanks again and I will try to post about the experience when I can!
Regards,
Sky

If you are going to Samya on a Friday or Saturday night then it closes at 03:00 / 3 am. Other nights, Samya closes at 01:00 as you say. So if you did the 5th birthday party you can party until 03:00 closing and taxi to the train station for the 5ish train (and a sleep) back to AMS Centraal Station. You should have time to pick up an early morning strudel or a bread roll. More flexibility is given for renting a car and may actually be similar in cost as a train ticket and taxi combo.

Samya can be reached by public transport. See the Samya thread for the details.

The drive I suspect if the traffic is good should be 3 hours from AMS.

Samya Girls that I have had good times were Onita (Hungary) - slim build, Stefania (Sicily, Italy) - big droopy breasts, Vanesa (Czech Republic) - slim build and Amira (Germany) - love the big natural breasts and Caty (Finland) - cute little blond from Planet Happy Garden fame where she was known as Malene.

Cornelia (Poland) is a looker and seems to be booked constantly.

Rugga
10-01-09, 22:17
FKK Experts, I need some advice please.

Planning a weekend to experience FKK soon (first time on the fkk scene). I'm travelling by train from Hague and will have friday night, saturday and all sunday. Have read a lot of the forum but cannot make up my mind on whether to hit the scene in dusseldorf or frankfurt area. Things to consider are:

1) train to dusseldorf is 3 hours vs 4.5 hours to frankfurt.

2) I know these areas have a number of clubs but I am after higher quality, younger women (european, south american), good service.

3) Getting by on public transport would be handy to save on costs.

So is it worth the extra travel time to head to frankfurt (palace, Oase etc). Or am I getting more or less the same standards in Dusseldorf?

Would appreciate your help.

Peter Headey
10-04-09, 19:42
Hi,

I am a newbie to FKK/ Heard from a friend that FKK Golden Times is one of the best, would you recommend this or will you recommend some other club in Dusseldorf area.

Also, what is the cost of FKK service? And is anal or 2 girls possible?

Thank you,

Peter

Junky11
10-10-09, 16:36
Hi,

I am a newbie to FKK/ Heard from a friend that FKK Golden Times is one of the best, would you recommend this or will you recommend some other club in Dusseldorf area.

Also, what is the cost of FKK service? And is anal or 2 girls possible?

Thank you,

Peter

No, it is not possible to do 2 girls anally --at least not at the same time.

Angus Magee
10-10-09, 20:11
Hi,

I am a newbie to FKK/ Heard from a friend that FKK Golden Times is one of the best, would you recommend this or will you recommend some other club in Dusseldorf area.

Also, what is the cost of FKK service? And is anal or 2 girls possible?

Thank you,

Peter


What ever you are willing to pay for is possible. Two girls certainly and anal from the girls that provide it. It depends upon which club you go to how much it will cost. At my local club, Artemis Berlin, extras tend to be very expensive. At other clubs it can be cheaper but the services you mention will probably always be a bit steep.

Rugga
10-11-09, 23:09
I've read a few complaints here of girls ripping off customers. I.e. not spending a full hour, nor providing the service agreed.

What's the rule do you pay before the action starts? Or after you're done?

If the latter then you could refuse to pay the extra fees. Pay for 30 mins if she only spent 40 mins with you. Or would the management get involved?

Henio
10-11-09, 23:52
I've read a few complaints here of girls ripping off customers. I.e. not spending a full hour, nor providing the service agreed.

What's the rule do you pay before the action starts? Or after you're done?

If the latter then you could refuse to pay the extra fees. Pay for 30 mins if she only spent 40 mins with you. Or would the management get involved?
The price is for each started 30 minutes. If she stayes 40 minutes and charges for one hour, she is not ripping you off, she is entitled to payment for the next started 30 minutes. Now, it might not be a good business decision on her behalf if she stayed only 40 minutes, but it is not a rip-off unless she perhaps rushed you out of the room at minute 35 or something like that. You pay after you done. Read the FAQ at the start of this threat

Angus Magee
10-14-09, 13:42
I've read a few complaints here of girls ripping off customers. I.e. not spending a full hour, nor providing the service agreed.

What's the rule do you pay before the action starts? Or after you're done?

If the latter then you could refuse to pay the extra fees. Pay for 30 mins if she only spent 40 mins with you. Or would the management get involved?


I know that some may not agree with me, but I fail to see how it is even possible to get seriously scammed at one of the established FKK. When you agree to go to the room with a girl all you are at first agreeing to (unless you explicitly say otherwise) is a 30 min. session for between 50-70 euros, depending upon the particular establishment. If with in the first, say 15 mins., you haven't figured out whether or not your chosen girl is a clock watcher who is rushing you to finish, and thus finish up (either by cumming or practicing sperm conservation for a later session) then maybe you deserve to be "scammed". It is all part of the game and hopefully you will learn a bit about how the girls operate and how to chose a better partner the next time.

In the case of some serious disputes-and I know they can happen-you take it to the management and let them know what you think happened and allow the girl to make her case. I am not sure about other clubs,but my regular haunts have a system in place (not advertised so ass-hat guys don't hold it over the girls) where by a girl with too many complaints is not allowed to work anymore.

And make no mistake-the girls who are successful make good money at a busy FKK and they want to keep working. But then the girls who are successful won't be running scams either.

So what I am saying is don't worry so much about getting shorted on time. Chose carefully, keep your head about you (not always easy in the presence of a beautiful lady, but you're a man, learn to do this) and if she shorts you 5-10 mins. just don't use her services again.

If you have chosen well you will sometimes get 5-10 mins. over the half hour with no expectation of extra payment. This you reward by becoming a regular. All part of the game.

And maybe write a report so we all know what you think happened.

Speedo
10-20-09, 00:03
Hi gents.

I'll be stopping in Germany and the Czech Republic for four days in early November.- starting and finishing in Frankfurt, with a car.

Here's my question: I have a very long hair fetish, so obviously I will want to visit places with as many women as possible in an effort to find one that scratches that itch. I know it would be generally best then, to aim for FKK's like Oase, World, Bernd's and Palace. Their web sites hint at ladies with very long hair but they could be generic or out-of-date pictures. Doing a "long hair" search here appears to just key on individual words, not a phrase.

If any of you can offer any recommendations, I'll be grateful!

Thanks in advance and best regards!

Marwar58
10-23-09, 01:47
Just curious if anyone wants to comment on interesting conversation topics they've had with the girls at FKK clubs. I've tried politics, where are you from, food, etc., but I'm sort of running out of ideas for something new that stays away from personal topics. I find it a bit of a challange as I really don't want to get into why they are in this business or whether or not they enjoy it, etc.

Mark User
10-23-09, 10:29
Just curious if anyone wants to comment on interesting conversation topics they've had with the girls at FKK clubs. I've tried politics, where are you from, food, etc., but I'm sort of running out of ideas for something new that stays away from personal topics. I find it a bit of a challange as I really don't want to get into why they are in this business or whether or not they enjoy it, etc.

Do you get many americans here? (good information to know anyway! They will tell all kinds of stories)

Where did you learn your English? (if they speak English, even if not so good it is better than my German!)

Where do you go for vacation? (they often go to Spain or Italy or someplace I have been and then THAT could be a conversation piece)

Mark

Henio
10-23-09, 19:29
Just curious if anyone wants to comment on interesting conversation topics they've had with the girls at FKK clubs. I've tried politics, where are you from, food, etc., but I'm sort of running out of ideas for something new that stays away from personal topics. I find it a bit of a challange as I really don't want to get into why they are in this business or whether or not they enjoy it, etc. Try:
"I bet you 10 euros you can't deepthroat me" and then watch her blow chunks on your tummy
"It looks like you have done a lot of anal sex" and then take it from there based on her answer
"Damn, I would be willing to pay double if I could find a 100% Romanian girl" to the Romanian girl that just told you she is half Italian or Spanish
"You are my 8th session today. Boy oh boy you gonna have to work really hard to get me off!" to the girl right after you enter the room

Have a few more, but you can start with this

Mark User
10-23-09, 19:36
"Damn, I would be willing to pay double if I could find a 100% Romanian girl" to the Romanian girl that just told you she is half Italian or Spanish

ROFLMAO!!!

Creature2
10-23-09, 20:03
"Damn, I would be willing to pay double if I could find a 100% Romanian girl" to the Romanian girl that just told you she is half Italian or Spanish"

This is the one I will try on my next visit to World.
Thanks for that tipp.

Ekliges Lauern
10-23-09, 20:09
This is the one I will try on my next visit to World.
Thanks for that tipp.

The 20 Romanian girls within earshot of you would likely gang tackle you.

Henio
10-23-09, 20:11
This is the one I will try on my next visit to World.
Thanks for that tipp. Gotta give credit to Beffen that I think came up with the original line "oh, I am looking for a full blooded Romanian" to one of them half and half girls.

btw: Although it might look like I am making this up for fun, these are actually lines I have used, and yes, I had a girl throw up on my stomach once trying to DT...that was a bit nasty and the smell was not that great. The girl had a good laugh about it afterwards though

Beffen1
10-24-09, 00:20
Gotta give credit to Beffen that I think came up with the original line "oh, I am looking for a full blooded Romanian" to one of them half and half girls.

btw: Although it might look like I am making this up for fun, these are actually lines I have used, and yes, I had a girl throw up on my stomach once trying to DT...that was a bit nasty and the smell was not that great. The girl had a good laugh about it afterwards though

Thanks for the props, henio.
Yeah you should have seen her face the first time I used that one. "Oh shit, I really blew it"

I find the girls like to talk about animals, and not the kind with towels wrapped around their midriffs.

With me, they also like to talk about health issues, or skin care.

Another frequent subject has me persistently deflecting questions about my running mates or trying to make up ridculous falsehoods to answer their inquiries. We all know who excels at that pastime, though.

Creature2
10-24-09, 11:34
In an FKK and a Sauna Club, that is the girls who suppose to convince us, the punters for a session, and the guys are deciding whether to go or not. (In a partytreff or swinger club, this is another story, I admit)

If so, why should we use those pick-up lines? Just to tease them or have fun with them, or to have a simple conversation or just socialize with girls? No, thanks. I always keep the words flowing spontaneously.

Henio
10-24-09, 11:39
...If so, why should we use those pick-up lines? Just to tease them or have fun with them? These are not pick-up lines. For all practical purposes, you would not be able to pick up a girl commenting her on her high milage asshole :-) It is just a way to goof around and have some fun while spending time in the club or just have something to talk about instead of sitting bored in a sofa waiting for the next session.

Angus Magee
10-24-09, 14:40
I would have to say that if your prime goal in going to these clubs is to find beautiful & sexy girls with who to spend quality sexual time, then using lines such as these-even making up your own-would be a great way to sabotage yourself.

To me they show a sort of passive aggressiveness that the quality girls (women are very sensitive to this sort of stuff) would quickly recognize and steer clear of. And yes I do find that the girls, at least the really top performers who have no real need to search out business, will avoid men who are just joking around like this trying to stave off boredom.

And don't get me wrong-I love humor and in fact suggest that making a girl laugh is one of the top ways to increase your attractiveness to her and thus improve the quality of your session. By all means make jokes, but not at the expense of anyone else. Especially the girl herself.

I don't mean to be Captain Bring-down here or to tell any one off. You are free to do and act in anyway you wish of course. But as the purpose of this forum (as I see it) is to help us to improve the quality of our club visits, I feel the need to honestly comment when I see something as glaringly miss leading to our purpose as is this.

Dedalus
10-24-09, 15:45
I would have to say that if your prime goal in going to these clubs is to find beautiful & sexy girls with who to spend quality sexual time, then using lines such as these-even making up your own-would be a great way to sabotage yourself.

To me they show a sort of passive aggressiveness that the quality girls (women are very sensitive to this sort of stuff) would quickly recognize and steer clear of. And yes I do find that the girls, at least the really top performers who have no real need to search out business, will avoid men who are just joking around like this trying to stave off boredom.

And don't get me wrong-I love humor and in fact suggest that making a girl laugh is one of the top ways to increase your attractiveness to her and thus improve the quality of your session. By all means make jokes, but not at the expense of anyone else. Especially the girl herself.

I don't mean to be Captain Bring-down here or to tell any one off. You are free to do and act in anyway you wish of course. But as the purpose of this forum (as I see it) is to help us to improve the quality of our club visits, I feel the need to honestly comment when I see something as glaringly miss leading to our purpose as is this.

Hey Angus,
Firstly, sorry that I seemed to have missed you on Thursday. More on that later.

Second; As one who has catted around quite a bit with Beffen, Henio and a few other charmers, you would be surprised how well and far some good, light-hearted kidding with the girls can go.

Now please understand that with very only a few exceptions does any of our club/girl humor turn ugly or vicious. And again for the most part, none of us have had too much fun at a girl's expense if we didn't know she could take it. BTW, you should see some of the fun payback that can come our way.

Obviously, a good deal of these so called "pick-up" lines are meant in jest and intended to give a few "insiders" a chuckle our two. No need to take it that seriously.

Oh, and Beffen,

I think that a few World and GT gals now believe that you either joined the Peace Corpse in order to help under-educated hookers in third-world countries learn economics, or are staring in your own one-act play in the West End entitled "the Penis Monologues."

No idea where or from whom they got these notions ;-)))

Cheers,

Dedalus

Angus Magee
10-24-09, 16:25
Hey Angus,
Firstly, sorry that I seemed to have missed you on Thursday. More on that later.

Second; As one who has catted around quite a bit with Beffen, Henio and a few other charmers, you would be surprised how well and far some good, light-hearted kidding with the girls can go.

Now please understand that with very only a few exceptions does any of our club/girl humor turn ugly or vicious. And again for the most part, none of us have had too much fun at a girl's expense if we didn't know she could take it. BTW, you should see some of the fun payback that can come our way.

Obviously, a good deal of these so called "pick-up" lines are meant in jest and intended to give a few "insiders" a chuckle our two. No need to take it that seriously.

Dedalus

Okay- I will cop to the fact that I may take the whole subject of teasing a wee bit too seriously. It does have some historical overtones for me personally and so is a bit of a hot button.

But I will maintain for the benefit of the less experienced FKK mongers that it is wise to be a bit careful wielding such a tool of seduction in the club atmosphere. It can easily backfire upon you and produce unintended results.

And I was also sorry to have missed you on Thursday. I was really looking forward to meeting a fellow monger with such a literary nickname such as yourself. But then, as you will soon read, the girls at Oase did do their best to keep me well occupied.

And I did have a blast and have a feeling that it will not be my one and only visit to that club.

Dedalus
10-24-09, 17:15
Okay- I will cop to the fact that I may take the whole subject of teasing a wee bit too seriously. It does have some historical overtones for me personally and so is a bit of a hot button.

But I will maintain for the benefit of the less experienced FKK mongers that it is wise to be a bit careful wielding such a tool of seduction in the club atmosphere. It can easily backfire upon you and produce unintended results.

And I was also sorry to have missed you on Thursday. I was really looking forward to meeting a fellow monger with such a literary nickname such as yourself. But then, as you will soon read, the girls at Oase did do their best to keep me well occupied.

And I did have a blast and have a feeling that it will not be my one and only visit to that club.


Not a problem, Man.

BTW, the first person I ran into in the Oase parking lot when I arrived was Iseeu. He gave me an "Angus" description, but it didn't help. Next time.

Cheers,

Dedalus, who is sometimes envious of Henio's "tool" of seduction

Angus Magee
10-24-09, 17:30
BTW, the first person I ran into in the Oase parking lot when I arrived was Iseeu. He gave me an "Angus" description, but it didn't help.



But then, as you will soon read, the girls at Oase did do their best to keep me well occupied.

So you were there. And I take it that you arrived just as Isseu was leaving.

By that time I had beat a hasty retreat to the sauna/steam room after having arranged a 22:00 (or so) session with one of Iseeu's recommended girls. By the time I emerged from this session I was truly weak at the knees and spent a couple of hours snoring in some corner. Read all about it in my upcoming post.

Vito Corleone
10-24-09, 22:55
I would have to say that if your prime goal in going to these clubs is to find beautiful & sexy girls with who to spend quality sexual time, then using lines such as these-even making up your own-would be a great way to sabotage yourself.

To me they show a sort of passive aggressiveness that the quality girls (women are very sensitive to this sort of stuff) would quickly recognize and steer clear of. And yes I do find that the girls, at least the really top performers who have no real need to search out business, will avoid men who are just joking around like this trying to stave off boredom.

And don't get me wrong-I love humor and in fact suggest that making a girl laugh is one of the top ways to increase your attractiveness to her and thus improve the quality of your session. By all means make jokes, but not at the expense of anyone else. Especially the girl herself.

I don't mean to be Captain Bring-down here or to tell any one off. You are free to do and act in anyway you wish of course. But as the purpose of this forum (as I see it) is to help us to improve the quality of our club visits, I feel the need to honestly comment when I see something as glaringly miss leading to our purpose as is this.
I usually do not joke around much unless I know the girl. Accually, I do not talk much in or out the room. I have seen Mr Henio's smooth Jedi magic & it really works for him. Dedalus, Beffen & some others are big time charmers too, but Henio has some impressive MOJO.

Henio
10-24-09, 23:19
hey Angus, point well taken. There is a time and place for everything.

Marwar58
11-11-09, 04:19
I've had two fabulous FKK visits (Artemis x 2, Colosseum x 1), and planning my next round. I stuck with multiple standard sessions spaced out by an hour or so and enjoyed of course. The exotic options have me intrigued and wondering who has done something like this:

At Artemis, lets say
1st girl, 1 hour = 120
2nd girl, 1 hour = 120
Lesbo action = 60 extra each
CIM in one--50 extra
Dizzying to think of.

Some what's the biggest bill folks have run up and was it worth the dough compared to multiple standards?

Sad Sam
11-17-09, 22:00
I have never been to an FKK and wanted to see if someone would recommend the best ones for me.

Looks wise. Looking for curvy (but not fat or tummy) blondes (C or the cup tits natural preferred with nice round behinds) that are young looking

Service wise. BBBJTC, DFK needed and Greek would be nice

I don't speak any German

Also needs them to be easy to get to by ublic transportation from the airport

So, would flying into Frankfurt or Munich be better? And which clubs would be the best for me. BTW, what are red carpet clubs? Would they suit my tastes?

Thanks in advance.

Plover 23
11-18-09, 08:57
I have never been to an FKK and wanted to see if someone would recommend the best ones for me.


My advice would be to fly into Frankfurt, and hire a car. Car hire is cheap and easy in Germany. Depending how much time you have, I would recommend you sample the delights of Oase and World, which are close together by car. You consider a journey north to GoldenTime if you have an extra few days.

For a short but debauched trip, just stick to Oase and World.

Red carpet clubs are more local, are slightly cheaper but have a lower standard of girls. If you want to experience something different with slightly less stunning girls, you could try a partytreff, though most of the good ones are further north.

Arrive with a full wallet. It will be empty when you leave!

Have Fun!

PL

Regnad
11-18-09, 11:57
My advice would be to fly into Frankfurt, and hire a car. Car hire is cheap and easy in Germany. Depending how much time you have, I would recommend you sample the delights of Oase and World, which are close together by car.
I just spent 200 E on a car for four days and now, having booked another trip in February, I'm giving thought to bypassing the car and using public transport as I'm just going to World and Oase.

Certainly travel between the airport and either club is easy, but I'm wondering, if someone can tell me, how difficult it is to get from one club to the other.

Ortos
11-18-09, 16:05
I just spent 200 E on a car for four days and now, having booked another trip in February, I'm giving thought to bypassing the car and using public transport as I'm just going to World and Oase.

Certainly travel between the airport and either club is easy, but I'm wondering, if someone can tell me, how difficult it is to get from one club to the other.


200E on a car for 4 days??? That is way over what you could pay: I am about to have a one week trip in Germany and hired a car for one full week for 185E (insurance and unlimited milage included)!

To your question: I would say without a car going to/coming from World is a major pain in the hosen boden (ass!). Having a hired car will allow you to get from Oase to World (or visa-versa) in something like 25-30 mins. They are each about a ten minute drive off the A5.

For good car offers in Germany, search for some of Henio's posts earlier this year, and/or use the powerful search tool Google to find best prices. You can look at www.economycarrentals.com for a start...

O

Breadman
11-18-09, 16:42
I just spent 200 E on a car for four days

A 4 day rental at sixti for either a smart car or something a bit larger like the ford fiesta would run you 70 euro's...its not like your driving 400 miles if your only going between oase and world.

You gave your car an extra 130 euro's, hope you at least got an hour in the room with it.

http://www.sixti.com/cgi-perl/rental/el?language=en

Regnad
11-18-09, 17:38
200E on a car for 4 days??? That is way over what you could pay: I am about to have a one week trip in Germany and hired a car for one full week for 185E (insurance and unlimited milage included)!
Actually the price I paid was 160E; the other 40E was for gas.

Searching Economy for the 5 days in February that I'll be there, I see 165E. I'm finding a Smartcar from Sixti for $100 for the same 5 days with up to 400km.

The price for the Sixti seems cheaper than public transport, what with the need to take cabs from the station to the clubs and back to the hotel. I just reserved it.

Thanks to both the Baron von Breadman and Ortos for the help.

Eros74
11-21-09, 21:06
I need just one place where to sleep, I think it will be chaper out of Frankfurt and I need at least couple of hotels, just in case one will be full due to the period. (Xmas).

Thanks in advance for the help.

Rufus T Firefly
11-22-09, 07:37
I need just one place where to sleep, I think it will be chaper out of Frankfurt and I need at least couple of hotels, just in case one will be full due to the period. (Xmas).

Search and/or review the Frankfurt a.M. thread. Over the past 12-24 months we've had several recommendations on places to stay in the Frankfurt area including thoughts on the Christmas season. In brief, some hotels have offered excellent rates at that time to attract guest during that slow season. One of my favorite pensions closes a day or two before Christmas for a couple weeks off during the holiday season.

Rufus

Beffen1
11-22-09, 14:25
I need just one place where to sleep, I think it will be chaper out of Frankfurt and I need at least couple of hotels, just in case one will be full due to the period. (Xmas).

Thanks in advance for the help.

B and B Frankfurt Nord- 5 minutes from Oase, easy drive to FKKW, free wireless internet in the room, rooms under 50 euro. A step up from the Etaps.
http://bb-frankfurt-nord.hotel-rez.com/

My second choice is Etap Linden- closer to World (10 minutes) easy drive to Oase. Rooms under 40. Both have nearby Mc Donalds and other places to eat or you can buy the basic breakfast for 5-8 euros at the motel.

http://www.etaphotel.com/de/hotel-2675-etap-hotel-etap-hotel-giessen-sued-west-lin/index.shtml

Happy holidays

beffen

Eros74
11-22-09, 14:36
Beffen1,

Thanks so that much and great Xmas holidays to you too !

P.S.
...easy drive to FKKW...

What is FKKW ?

Regnad
11-22-09, 15:03
My second choice is Etap Linden- closer to World (10 minutes) easy drive to Oase. Rooms under 40. Both have nearby Mc Donalds and other places to eat or you can buy the basic breakfast for 5-8 euros at the motel.
This Etap has free wireless in the rooms as well.

Beffen1
11-22-09, 18:07
Beffen1,

Thanks so that much and great Xmas holidays to you too !

P.S.

What is FKKW ?

FKKW= FKK World. And yes regnad, Etap Linden (and all Etap) also has free wifi in the room too. And I like the minestrone soup from the coffee machine as a late night hot throat treatment before bedtime. And the beautiful girls who clean the rooms LOL.

Travelerb69
11-22-09, 20:01
I second Beffen here; I used to stay only at hotels belonging to the Accor chain-Etap, Ibis, Mercure, mainly because I had a card membership which gave me some benefits. Following advice of some members here have recently begun to stay at B&B hotels- waaay better than Etaps, generally for 46 euros, just a few euros more. Stayed at B&B Frankfurt Nord, at one near Bochum and one at Hahn airport. Advantages- better rooms, better wifi signal, reception stays open more hours, friendlier staff.Top notch for the price, recommended.

Beffen- the girls that clean the rooms are better at B&B as well-unfortunately no twins available-LOL

Regarding hotels near World and Oase, just follow Beffen’s hints.

Regnad
11-22-09, 20:22
Stayed at B&B Frankfurt Nord, at one near Bochum and one at Hahn airport. Advantages- better rooms, better wifi signal, reception stays open more hours, friendlier staff.Top notch for the price, recommended.
Looking at the pictures on the B & B site, I'd agree that it's nicer than an Etap, but I'd argue, and just from pictures on a website, that the Mercures are nicer yet.

Looking at my February dates, the respective rates are:
Etap €38
B & B €46
Mercure €45.74 (Rate is for prepaid, non-refundable.)

The Mercure seems an easy choice to me, but I've only seen pictures on the web and, hence, would welcome feedback from Travelerb69 and Beffen1.

Travelerb69
11-22-09, 20:47
Regnad, you are right.

The B&Bs are, comparing to the Accor chain hotels, definitely superior to the Etaps, one scale below the Ibis(the Ibis vary a lot) and certainly inferior to the Mercure. The Mercure at Bad Homburg is quite expensive, but generally they have a promotion from Friday (sometimes Thursday) till Monday morning for 45 euros(used to be 42) a night-an unbeatable bargain, check at their website. I stayed there many times, very nice rooms-ask for one at the higher floors, terrific view-a nice swimming pool and sauna for free, but wi-fi is paid and breakfast is something like 15 euros extra. So the Mercure is still my first choice if at 45 euros a night, the B&B would come close as second, the Etap Giessen as third. I have also stayed at Etap Offenbach, but this is a 30 minute drive as far as Oase and 40 minutes to World, not so convenient, although I like the town of Offenbach an it is very easy to get to Frankfurt downtown.




Looking at the pictures on the B & B site, I'd agree that it's nicer than an Etap, but I'd argue, and just from pictures on a website, that the Mercures are nicer yet.

Looking at my February dates, the respective rates are:
Etap €38
B & B €46
Mercure €45.74 (Rate is for prepaid, non-refundable.)

The Mercure seems an easy choice to me, but I've only seen pictures on the web and, hence, would welcome feedback from Travelerb69 and Beffen1.

Regnad
11-22-09, 20:55
but wi-fi is paid
Any idea what they charge for wi-fi? Frankly, being charged for wi-fi really rankles my ass. Paying for CIM is one thing, being nickled and dimed for wifi pushes the limit.

Ironically, (and isn't irony the strongest force in the universe anyway?), in my own back yard, Montreal, the less expensive the hotel, the less likely they are to charge for wi-fi. Go figure.

Capt Dan
11-22-09, 21:13
The Mercure Hotel Kongress Wetzlar is good value at the weekend and handy for World. Hotel is very comfortable with some good facilities (indoor swimming pool, sauna, spa etc)

http://www.accorhotels.com/gb/hotel-0782-mercure-hotel-kongress-wetzlar/index.shtml

I have stayed there and can recommend. Breakfast is expensive (€16 approx) but is buffet style, very comprehensive and as much as you can eat.

CD

Eros74
11-22-09, 21:39
I copy from the site of Etap:

"Mondays - Saturdays from 6.30 a.m. - 11.00 a.m. (Sundays and public holidays from 7.00 a.m. - 11.00 a.m.) and from 5.00 p.m. until 10.00 p.m.. Outside opening hours, you can check in with your credit card from midday at the Check-in Point."

I do not understand well what happens if you arrive, for example probably my case, later than 10:00pm. If reception is closed and I pay from the site, who will give me the key-card of the room ? :(

Beffen1
11-22-09, 21:45
I copy from the site of Etap:

"Mondays - Saturdays from 6.30 a.m. - 11.00 a.m. (Sundays and public holidays from 7.00 a.m. - 11.00 a.m.) and from 5.00 p.m. until 10.00 p.m.. Outside opening hours, you can check in with your credit card from midday at the Check-in Point."

I do not understand well what happens if you arrive, for example probably my case, later than 10:00pm. If reception is closed and I pay from the site, who will give me the key-card of the room ? :(

Not to worry, you can check in 24 hours a day, there is an automat machine in the entrance- you input your reservation number and a credit card, and the machine will confirm and give you a number code to open the front door to the hotel and also your room. I believe B and B has the same thing.
One time (out of many many visits) the machine would not work and there is a telephone intercom to call the manager if you cannot register on the machine.

beffen

Eros74
11-22-09, 22:07
Thanks guys !

I travelled a lot, really, in my life but I never seen or listen a machine that check you in.

Ok, I guess this is due to the crisi, to save money salary for the night receptionist, but it is nicer when you have a person to meet you at the check in, especially if you drove for 8-9 hours.

I think in my case, I will first check if the telephone intercom works :D ....just kidding !

Travelerb69
11-23-09, 00:59
Regnad,

Same here, just like in your Montreal, at the Etaps, which are the cheapest hotels of the chain, the wi-fi is free of charge, but at the Mercures and Ibis you have to pay for it. Buy on line, with a credit card, 2 options: Vodafone, which is pretty expensive, if not mistaken 10 euros for 1 hour and 30 euros per day(better check at their web site) or T-mobile, do not remember how much for 24 hours, but pretty sure 29 euros for 30 days, since I used to make long trips this was my choice. Even if you are staying just 3 days this is the best value for your money. T-mobile allows you to access at several hot-spots as well, like in all Mc Donalds.

However, at Mercure in Bad Homburg they do have one desktop terminal available for free at the reception, if you need just to check email that will be enough, if you need it to work not suitable.


Any idea what they charge for wi-fi? Frankly, being charged for wi-fi really rankles my ass. Paying for CIM is one thing, being nickled and dimed for wifi pushes the limit.

Ironically, (and isn't irony the strongest force in the universe anyway?), in my own back yard, Montreal, the less expensive the hotel, the less likely they are to charge for wi-fi. Go figure.

Shark16
11-23-09, 01:09
Hotel Anker is a small family hotel owned by Italians near Grossen Linden (3 minutes by car from Etap Linden), so very handy if you want to head for FFKW or Oase. They serve excellent Italian pizza in their Ristorante de Francesca.

Room from 35 euros per night. Standard so-so, but clean and safe.

See more at www.hotelanker-linden.de.

Smuler
11-23-09, 02:08
Regnad

Beffen 1 was kind enough to recommend the B&B to me months ago

I have stayed at the Etap at Amsterdam airport a couple years ago

The one thing that stood out to me was the difference in the showers.

The Etap shower was very cramped, and the glass door had a round hand opening in the door, which allowed water to leak out all over the bedroom floor

The B&B shower was extremely spacious, and I like a big shower

Some may ask, who cares about a shower, when you will take so many this weekend.?

But that's what stood out in my mind

Just my 2 cents.

Best Regards

Smuler

Akibono
11-23-09, 04:32
FKKW= FKK World. And yes regnad, Etap Linden (and all Etap) also has free wifi in the room too. And I like the minestrone soup from the coffee machine as a late night hot throat treatment before bedtime. And the beautiful girls who clean the rooms LOL.


Another free service at the ETAPs is the wonderful sounds of guys banging girls at all hours of the day and night. Very thin walls.

I also find early checkin to be a problem. Sometimes the machines don't work at 12:00. Even when the reception is open, they either won't check you in because the rooms are not ready or the receptionist is too lazy to make changes in the system because they are setup for checkin at 12:00.

Gaucho 74
11-27-09, 11:07
I know this has probably been covered somewhere already, but I just can't find it.

Can you buy viagra, levitra, etc in Germany without a prescription?

Thanks

Vito Corleone
11-30-09, 04:20
I know this has probably been covered somewhere already, but I just can't find it.

Can you buy viagra, levitra, etc in Germany without a prescription?

Thanks
Viagra is available @ the 1hr Platz located in the main train station in Frankfurt.

Angus Magee
12-01-09, 05:58
Viagra is available @ the 1hr Platz located in the main train station in Frankfurt.

Hi Vito,

Do you mean it is available here without a 'script? This would truely surprise me as I can not even buy a simple antibiotic cream here in Germany without a doctor signing for it.

AM

Ekliges Lauern
12-01-09, 10:41
Hi Vito,

Do you mean it is available here without a 'script? This would truely surprise me as I can not even buy a simple antibiotic cream here in Germany without a doctor signing for it.

AMNo, Vito is being his usual childish self. He thinks posting misinformation is funny.

Akibono
12-01-09, 17:42
Hi Vito,

Do you mean it is available here without a 'script? This would truely surprise me as I can not even buy a simple antibiotic cream here in Germany without a doctor signing for it.

AM


Vito's pulling your leg. Don't be so gullible.

Eros74
12-15-09, 14:38
I am here tried to put the right address of Oase in my Tomtom, actually it found only Friedrichsdorf and not Friedrichsdorf-Burgholzhausen, does it matter ?


Maybe somebody kindly has the right longitude and latitude of Oase and World just to be more sure ?

Thanks in advance

Big30
12-15-09, 14:55
I am here tried to put the right address of Oase in my Tomtom, actually it found only Friedrichsdorf and not Friedrichsdorf-Burgholzhausen, does it matter ?

Maybe somebody kindly has the right longitude and latitude of Oase and World just to be more sure ?

Thanks in advance

No that is ok,
Ober-Erlenbacher Straße 109
61381 Friedrichsdorf, Germany
(+50° 14' 38.14", +8° 40' 31.78")

The city is Friedrichsdorf. Burgholzhausen vor der Höhe is a "Stadtteil/quarter" of Friedrichsdorf. In East Germany you will find a city with name Burgholzhausen.

Your Tomtom will find the Ober-Erlenbacher Straße, mine did!

Regards,
Big30

Eros74
12-15-09, 15:03
Thanks very much Big30 for explanation, so if I put correctly from Hotel Etap Linden ( GPS-Koordinaten:N 50° 32' 18.72'' E 8° 39' 5.58'' ) to World are 11,9km and from Etap to Oase 41,8 km ? Is it correct ?

P.S. as it seems probably obvious I bought my first GPS yesterday and I am still learning how to use it :)

Big30
12-15-09, 15:17
Thanks very much Big30 for explanation, so if I put correctly from Hotel Etap Linden ( GPS-Koordinaten:N 50° 32' 18.72'' E 8° 39' 5.58'' ) to World are 11,9km and from Etap to Oase 41,8 km ? Is it correct ?

P.S. as it seems probably obvious I bought my first GPS yesterday and I am still learning how to use it :)

100 % correct!

I also use Tomtom, was many times in Etap Linden and then drove to Oase or World with my Tomtom! There is actually also a shorter route to World (8.9 km's using the L3129 but in time will take a few minutes more).

Note: with Tomtom you can also look for I think in English it is called "special destinations" there you will find hotels, restaurant, shoppings mals, hospitals, gaz stations etc. (No FKK's!)

Regards,
Big30

Eros74
12-15-09, 15:46
100 % correct!


Great ! I feel much better ;)

Yep, point of interests and there is night clubs options, but no sure if Tomtom will show FKK LOL

Thanks and have a nice time.

Regnad
12-15-09, 16:06
Here's another alternative. Simply type "fkk oase" into Google maps. It will take you right there.


Great ! I feel much better ;)

Yep, point of interests and there is night clubs options, but no sure if Tomtom will show FKK LOL

Thanks and have a nice time.

Wassab
12-18-09, 02:09
Planning my next FKK trip with a stop over in Dubrovnik for some RR. My flight will arrive in Frankfurt on Saturday morning but my next flight to Dubrovnik out of Cologne will not be until 5 AM the next day (Sunday). I know Samya is in Koln but would like to visit World. Please direct me to World and on to Koln for my next day flight.

On my return from Dubrovnik the following Thursday, I will be staying in Frankfurt area so I have Oase and Palace circled for Friday and Saturday before heading back home on Sunday.

Love to visit World if the logistic is possible, please help.

Ekliges Lauern
12-19-09, 18:36
Planning my next FKK trip with a stop over in Dubrovnik for some RR. My flight will arrive in Frankfurt on Saturday morning but my next flight to Dubrovnik out of Cologne will not be until 5 AM the next day (Sunday). I know Samya is in Koln but would like to visit World. Please direct me to World and on to Koln for my next day flight.

On my return from Dubrovnik the following Thursday, I will be staying in Frankfurt area so I have Oase and Palace circled for Friday and Saturday before heading back home on Sunday.

Love to visit World if the logistic is possible, please help.Logistics are quite possible. If traveling by train, you will need to go to Giessen and get a cab. www.bahn.de has English language information as do the ticket machines. By rental car, get a GPS. If you want to go old school on directions, use www.viamichelin.com .

Iseeu
12-20-09, 01:26
Planning my next FKK trip with a stop over in Dubrovnik for some RR. My flight will arrive in Frankfurt on Saturday morning but my next flight to Dubrovnik out of Cologne will not be until 5 AM the next day (Sunday). I know Samya is in Koln but would like to visit World. Please direct me to World and on to Koln for my next day flight.

On my return from Dubrovnik the following Thursday, I will be staying in Frankfurt area so I have Oase and Palace circled for Friday and Saturday before heading back home on Sunday.

Love to visit World if the logistic is possible, please help.
Well, it's logistically possible but only if you have a rental car to do it. No problem getting from FRA to World on Saturday morning, but getting from World to Cologne- Bonn airport early Sunday morning is a challenge. It would take between 90 minutes to 2 hours by car depending on road conditions. It's virtually impossible to do by public transportation at that early hour, unless you leave World much earlier in the evening and it would still be a very long and tiring trip.

In any case not a recommended itinerary. Your best bet is indeed Samya, which you can get to via public transportation from FRA airport, and from the club to CGN airport, it's only a 10 minute taxi ride.

Capt Dan
12-20-09, 02:15
Buddy. If I were you Id concentrate on visiting one club, as previously suggested (I. E. Samya) and the only way to do that given your arrival and departure times is by hire car. You will also need a sat nav to guide you to your destination as you don't have time to be wasting. Directions to Samya can be found on their website. Use the website directions in combination with google maps and you should get a good idea where you need to go. Depending on where you are coming from, you may also need to allow for a hotel room, so you can get some shut eye! Personally I am not a fan of this type of dash visit as it can be more trouble and bothersome than it is worth, specially if you are flying in and out from different airports! Seems a bit stupid to be honest.


Planning my next FKK trip with a stop over in Dubrovnik for some RR. My flight will arrive in Frankfurt on Saturday morning but my next flight to Dubrovnik out of Cologne will not be until 5 AM the next day (Sunday). I know Samya is in Koln but would like to visit World. Please direct me to World and on to Koln for my next day flight.

On my return from Dubrovnik the following Thursday, I will be staying in Frankfurt area so I have Oase and Palace circled for Friday and Saturday before heading back home on Sunday.

Love to visit World if the logistic is possible, please help.

Wassab
12-20-09, 02:32
Well, it's logistically possible but only if you have a rental car to do it. No problem getting from FRA to World on Saturday morning, but getting from World to Cologne- Bonn airport early Sunday morning is a challenge. It would take between 90 minutes to 2 hours by car depending on road conditions. It's virtually impossible to do by public transportation at that early hour, unless you leave World much earlier in the evening and it would still be a very long and tiring trip.

In any case not a recommended itinerary. Your best bet is indeed Samya, which you can get to via public transportation from FRA airport, and from the club to CGN airport, it's only a 10 minute taxi ride.Iseeu,

Thank you for being up front with the situation. Too bad World is situated off the S-bahn. Hypothetically speaking, if I would to get to World early like high noon and leave around 20:00, can I make to Koln by train? Just want to know how far I can push the limit on reaching World. If too risky, then I will just get World off my mind and enjoy the company of the women at Samya.

TIA

Rwaters
12-20-09, 19:31
I am going to rent a car for 4 days from Frankfurt airport.

If I try to book with SIXT declaring I am a resident of MY country (not Germany), they give me a price quote of 222 euros for their basic car with 1200 kilometers.

If I declare on website I am a German resident, the price drops to 94 euros for their basic car which includes 1200 kilometers.

My question is: Can I get away with making the rental as a German resident to save more than half the cost?

Also, I looked on the SIXTI website (add the "I") to the SIXT, it is a different company. Their prices are 53 euros dor a SmartCar or 90 euros for a Ford Focus with allowance of 400 kilometers. They are showing no availability for Terminal 2 at FRA airport. This is for pickup at Frankfurt Hahn Flughafen-Is this a differnt airport?

The best option it seems is to acquire a car from SIXT at the lower German resident cost.

Hope this thread leads us to future car savings!

RW

Iseeu
12-20-09, 20:50
Iseeu,

Thank you for being up front with the situation. Too bad World is situated off the S-bahn. Hypothetically speaking, if I would to get to World early like high noon and leave around 20:00, can I make to Koln by train? Just want to know how far I can push the limit on reaching World. If too risky, then I will just get World off my mind and enjoy the company of the women at Samya.

TIA
To get to CGN airport for an early morning flight, you'll need to leave World by 7:30 p.m., and spend upwards of 6 hours on 4 different modes of transportation. You can check it out on the Die Bahn English website http://www.bahn.com/i/view/DEU/en/index.shtml.

Did I say not recommended? It's not risky- just stupid. The plentiful pleasures of World are just not worth that type of dedication especially when you can be spending those valuable hours, free of stress, in the arms of a NordRhein-Westfalia based fraulein.

Use the same website to plan your travel from FRA airport to Samya. Enjoy, and let us know how it goes...

Xxcite
12-25-09, 09:41
I am going to rent a car for 4 days from Frankfurt airport.

If I try to book with SIXT declaring I am a resident of MY country (not Germany), they give me a price quote of 222 euros for their basic car with 1200 kilometers.

If I declare on website I am a German resident, the price drops to 94 euros for their basic car which includes 1200 kilometers.

My question is: Can I get away with making the rental as a German resident to save more than half the cost?I would give it a try - I did the same at Europcar for my American relatives claiming they are German residents and they never had a problem.
Also, I looked on the SIXTI website (add the "I") to the SIXT, it is a different company. Their prices are 53 euros dor a SmartCar or 90 euros for a Ford Focus with allowance of 400 kilometers. They are showing no availability for Terminal 2 at FRA airport. This is for pickup at Frankfurt Hahn Flughafen-Is this a differnt airport?Hahn Airport (HHN) is about 120 km / 75 miles out of Frankfurt in the middle of nowhere. Not recommended.

Besides, SIXTI is a low-cost rental with strict conditions and hidden fees (changes of pick-up and drop-off times can be costly, you have to clean the car yourself or pay an extra fee, etc.)


The best option it seems is to acquire a car from SIXT at the lower German resident cost.Check out Eurpocar, ususally (but nor always) slightly cheaper than Sixt.

Basketcase
01-02-10, 20:41
I would give it a try - I did the same at Europcar for my American relatives claiming they are German residents and they never had a problem.

Hahn Airport (HHN) is about 120 km / 75 miles out of Frankfurt in the middle of nowhere. Not recommended.

Besides, SIXTI is a low-cost rental with strict conditions and hidden fees (changes of pick-up and drop-off times can be costly, you have to clean the car yourself or pay an extra fee, etc.)

Check out Eurpocar, ususally (but nor always) slightly cheaper than Sixt.When I use Hertz when visiting Germany I tend to use www.hertz.de and give a German address which is the hotel that I am staying at. It seems to work since the Hertz desk at Frankfurt am Main airport have never ask me to prove that I live at that address or prove German language skills.

Rwaters, Frankfurt Hahn and Frankfurt am Main airports are two separate airports which are quite far apart. Xxcite has correctly pointed out the distance between the two is inconvenient. To be sure, are you flying into Hahn airport or are you flying into the Frankfurt am Main airport?

If you are flying into Hahn I would suggest that you take the bus into Frankfurt since the bus cost is a little cheaper than the car hire cost and petrol for the same distance. Pick up a hire car when in Frankfurt. a bit more fluffing about but saves you a bit of euro which I think you are trying to do.

I have not used Europcar. I should try them out. I have only ever used Hertz and Sixt for rental cars.

Cheers,

Mambomike
01-09-10, 02:05
A good source for train timetables in the FRA area, to see how frequently and when the trains run.

http://www.rmv.de/auskunft/bin/jp/stboard.exe/en?L=vs_rmv&newrequest=yes&

Chesaning
01-28-10, 03:38
I wonder if it is possible to bring a women into FKK club and she could play with me withe the working girls. Is this possible? In all clubs or just some?

Myrmidon
01-28-10, 19:10
Most visitors to FKK seem to be short term, that is they are there for 2 or fewer days. For them, all they need is a hotel to sleep and a FKK for everything else. Last spring I visited both Palace and Oase in the Frankfurt area for one week. I am going again for two weeks this April. A visit of this duration requires more than just FKK food. Data here on available quality places in and around Frankfurt is limited and somewhat dated.

Based upon info that I found last year I had a stellar visit. I would like to repeat that, so I will note the names of places I was either referred to or found on my own.

Qualifications to get listed: be easy to locate, be reasonably priced, with quality product, friendly staff.

I would like to share my list and ask others to contribute to it. Thank You in advance.

If you think this would be better posted to the General Info., Palace or Oase threads, please feel free to let me know and I'll repost.

In no particular order:
-Pizzeria Ristorante Da Michelle, http://www.restaurant-damichele.de on Gutleutstrasse just past Schleusenstrasse (fine dining);
-O'Reilly's Fine Irish Pub, http://www.oreillys.nl corner of Baseler Str and Muncheer Str across from the Hauptbahnof;
-Franz-Gobel at Moselstrasse 19 ( http://www.fleischerei-goebel.de/ )(deli / coffee shop);
-Acapulco, http://www.acapulco-frankfurt.de on Kaiserstrasse near Moselstrasse, (sports bar, pizzeria)

Note: You'll probably see a trend here - I'm staying near the Hauptbahnhof and want to walk to these places. Thanks.

Gergiev
01-29-10, 04:13
I wonder if it is possible to bring a women into FKK club and she could play with me withe the working girls. Is this possible? In all clubs or just some?
A regular contributor around here called Shiatsu used to take his fair lady Cordelia to some of the FKKs (eg, World or Oase?) and eventually she joined the staff and worked there for occasional spells (and maybe still does?).

If you do a search of his posts going back a few years you may get some of the information you require.

Seeing as the working girls themselves have to pay the entrance fee like everybody else (for legal reasons) I'd imagine it's OK at least in some FKKs although the reaction of some of the house girls to an "amateur" in their midst might be a different matter.

Also expect to pay the double the fee if you have "lift-off" as any agreeable girl will regard you (yourself and your GF) as just another 2 clients...

El Greco
01-29-10, 04:43
Note: You'll probably see a trend here - I'm staying near the Hauptbahnhof and want to walk to these places. Thanks.

Try the old part of the city next time. Aldstadt or something like that is called.
Some nice places there too. Not too far from Hauptbahnhof. Only 2-3 stations on the S line if I remember correctly.

Ortos
01-29-10, 08:27
Try the old part of the city next time. Aldstadt or something like that is called.
Some nice places there too. Not too far from Hauptbahnhof. Only 2-3 stations on the S line if I remember correctly.

I believe you are referring to a small area in Sachsenhausen (part of Frankfurt "on the other side of the river"). From Hbf on the S-bahn it is 5 stops towards Frankfurt Sud, get off at Localbahhof and walk 5 mins.

El Greco
01-29-10, 17:12
I believe you are referring to a small area in Sachsenhausen (part of Frankfurt "on the other side of the river"). From Hbf on the S-bahn it is 5 stops towards Frankfurt Sud, get off at Localbahhof and walk 5 mins.

I think that's the place. It has been a long time since I was there. I used to get off at Hauptwache walk towards Konstablewache doing my shopping there and then walk around that area over the bridge late afternoon on a nice day.

Thanks for correcting me Ortos.

Ladiesfan
01-30-10, 04:37
Hello,

I've been in a couple of sauna-clubs and FKK: s but couldn't find what I really want:

I like mature, west european women. In a couple of days I'll be traveling to the area of Duisburg, Moers, Dusseldorf, Gelsenkirchen, Mönchengladbach, Köln and would appreciate some suggestions for clubs where I might find mature, western european looking women (age between 40-50). Offcourse I'm not in to uggly looking women I might add but whos is *LOL*. Is there any special club in this area to meet this category of women?

Regards,

Ladiesfan

Myrmidon
01-30-10, 04:41
Qualifications to get listed: be easy to locate, be reasonably priced, with quality product, friendly staff.

I would like to share my list and ask others to contribute to it. Thank You in advance.

In no particular order:
-Pizzeria Ristorante Da Michelle, http://www.restaurant-damichele.de on Gutleutstrasse just past Schleusenstrasse (fine dining);
-O'Reilly's Fine Irish Pub, http://www.oreillys.nl corner of Baseler Str and Muncheer Str across from the Hauptbahnof;
-Franz-Gobel at Moselstrasse 19 ( http://www.fleischerei-goebel.de/ )(deli / coffee shop);
-Acapulco, http://www.acapulco-frankfurt.de on Kaiserstrasse near Moselstrasse, (sports bar, pizzeria)


Thanks go to those who have shared so far, El Greco & Ortos.
I seem to recall someone mentioning a restaurant on the south side in the old town. Will have to take a day trip down and check it out. Thanks again and more are welcome!

I plan to load maps of these places etc on my hand held, iPod Touch, along with the 'lists' of ladies.

Myr. ;)

Ortos
01-30-10, 09:58
Hello,

I've been in a couple of sauna-clubs and FKK: s but couldn't find what I really want:

I like mature, west european women. In a couple of days I'll be traveling to the area of Duisburg, Moers, Dusseldorf, Gelsenkirchen, Mönchengladbach, Köln and would appreciate some suggestions for clubs where I might find mature, western european looking women (age between 40-50). Offcourse I'm not in to uggly looking women I might add but whos is *LOL*. Is there any special club in this area to meet this category of women?

Regards,

Ladiesfan

You did not mention which clubs you have previously visited, but I might suggest the F39 (Bochum) and/or Acapulco (Velbert) might offer selection in the category you seek...

Ortos

Angus Magee
01-30-10, 10:09
I like mature, west european women. In a couple of days I'll be traveling to the area of Duisburg, Moers, Dusseldorf, Gelsenkirchen, Mönchengladbach, Köln and would appreciate some suggestions for clubs where I might find mature, western european looking women (age between 40-50). Offcourse I'm not in to uggly looking women I might add but whos is *LOL*. Is there any special club in this area to meet this category of women?


I am not sure if it is within the geographical frame, but I would say head straight to Bernds and look for Katja. While originally from eastern Europe, Katja has lived in Germany for many years. And she will knock your socks off, were they still on at that point.

That being said-Ortos probably does have much more experience than I in this area.

Ortos
01-30-10, 10:25
I seem to recall someone mentioning a restaurant on the south side in the old town. Will have to take a day trip down and check it out.

This area in Sachsenhausen is a clustre of narrow streets packed with restaurants of various ethnic affiliation. It is almost a bit touristy, but I recall there being a few traditional German-food places with rustic atmosphere and bier/apfelwein, etc., also a few Italian places and the ubiquitous Turkish Kebab places. The thing is, according to EL, who visits this district of eateries sometimes, some of these places stay open very late at night, serving til 02.00 or even later. So it might make a good post-club chilling venue. Remember it is located a few minutes walk from the Lokalbahnhof S-bahn station (walk towards the river); or you can reach it by walking over the river from the north via a bridge that you can find, oddly enough, just beside the entrance to Sauna club Sudfass on Oskar von Mueller Str., an old haunt of mine (and some other old-time Frankfurt sex fans) in the pre-Fkk days of the late 1980s-mid 1990s...

Of course, for me, the best (and easiest, if you stay in Hbf area hotels) apres-Fkk bars/eateries are found amid the Frankfurt Bahnhof-viertel RLD, specifically along Taunus Str. I love the food selection at the Turkish Kebab places (open virtually round the clock), e.g. Marmaris; or for a slightly more up-market dining experience there is a Greek place located a few doors down from the so-called FKK Miami on Moselstr, that offers a good selection of grilled meats (like lamb chops, veal chops, and even steaks, plus salads and Greek orektika (starters). This place is actually a card room in the back area, but a functioning restaurant, serving food until 03.30....

I am, I admit, a very late-night dinner eater, beacuase I don't eat heavily at the clubs...

Ortos

Ortos
01-30-10, 10:29
I am not sure if it is within the geographical frame, but I would say head straight to Bernds and look for Katja. While originally from eastern Europe, Katja has lived in Germany for many years. And she will knock your socks off, were they still on at that point.

That being said-Ortos probably does have much more experience than I in this area.


No, no Angus: I think you nailed this one. Bernd's of course is a MILF-loaded club. What about Club M, also???

O

Angus Magee
01-30-10, 10:38
No, no Angus: I think you nailed this one. Bernd's of course is a MILF-loaded club. What about Club M, also???

O

I will have to defer to you Ortos on Club M-never having been there. But with regard to Bernds & MILFs-I really am a guy who usually looks for the youngest most teeny looking girl in a club. That I ended up at Bernds was almost entirely in the hands of our good friend Isseu. Further, that I was almost immediately placed in the good hands (and mouth) of Katja was also with Iseeu's encouragement. And let me tell you, I never looked back, Katja being one of the best experiences I have had at an FKK. The woman is a wonder.

And I think that there are several other women at Bernds who would fit the bill.

Link to Bernds HP:

http://www.bernds-sauna-club.de/

Basketcase
01-30-10, 10:44
I've been in a couple of sauna-clubs and FKK: s but couldn't find what I really want:

I like mature, west european women. In a couple of days I'll be traveling to the area of Duisburg, Moers, Dusseldorf, Gelsenkirchen, Mönchengladbach, Köln and would appreciate some suggestions for clubs where I might find mature, western european looking women (age between 40-50). Offcourse I'm not in to uggly looking women I might add but whos is *LOL*. Is there any special club in this area to meet this category of women?Hey Ladiesfan,

You mention Mönchengladbach so maybe you should try club Tabulous or Ewa's club I think it called now. Ewa is Polish and she sure is a maturer. Problem is do you call Poland outside of your concept of west European and actually eastern.

There is also another club open in Mönchengladbach but I forget its name. Maybe if you look in the "Other Clubs" thread you will find it.

I think Acapulco in Velbert and Freudenberg 39 in Bochum have mature ladies especially in the day time. It is what the locals call HobbyHuren who are working these clubs. Hobbyhuren are like house wives making a bit of extra money during the day while their man working at his machine tool job and the children/kinder are at school.

Basketcase
01-30-10, 10:58
In no particular order:

-Pizzeria Ristorante Da Michelle, http://www.restaurant-damichele.de on Gutleutstrasse just past Schleusenstrasse (fine dining);

-O'Reilly's Fine Irish Pub, http://www.oreillys.nl corner of Baseler Str and Muncheer Str across from the Hauptbahnof;

-Franz-Gobel at Moselstrasse 19 ( http://www.fleischerei-goebel.de/ )(deli / coffee shop);

-Acapulco, http://www.acapulco-frankfurt.de on Kaiserstrasse near Moselstrasse, (sports bar, pizzeria)http://www.harveys-ffm.de/start.html
Trendy place, friendly, beautiful girls and boys together. I go for the brunch on the weekends.

http://www.doctor-flotte.com/

Friendly staff, good German food, opens late.

Also I do a lot of the kebab places in the red light district around the main Bahnhof. Also I like the Sachenhausen area for the restaurants and bars and yes, I do the kebabs there too. Turko-German kebabs are really good. They use a type of leaven bread instead of pita bread and the meat is decent quality.

Use the following link to find the best rated kebabs and shops.

http://www.kebab365.de/

Strato
01-31-10, 01:02
I have found several good restaurants in the Sachsenhausen area. Easy to reach via foot or public trans. Adolph Wagner is one. And nearby is another place, think it is called, in english, The Golden Door. (just ask). These reasonably priced applewine restaurants, feature German food and specialize in some of more esoteric cuts of pork. Delicious with some Apfelwien.

O'Reillys is a great place to sample some of the local beverages. Across from Hautbanhoff.

One other place is the seafood Buffet, Friday, at the Meridien Hotel, minutes from Haubtbanhoff. I like to have a few dozen oysters and then take the next train to Oase.

For anyone spending a few days in Frankfurt, check out:

http://frankfurt-on-foot-cityguide. ********.com/

Strato


Thanks go to those who have shared so far, El Greco & Ortos.
I seem to recall someone mentioning a restaurant on the south side in the old town. Will have to take a day trip down and check it out. Thanks again and more are welcome!

I plan to load maps of these places etc on my hand held, iPod Touch, along with the 'lists' of ladies.

Myr. ;)

Strato
01-31-10, 02:42
Actual name of the Apfelwein restaurant that I previously mentioned below as " The Golden Door" is Zum Germalten Haus. At Schweizer Staffe 67, a f classic local restaurant, where the only problem is to keep the wait staff from continually refilling your glass with Apfelwein!. Local custom is to put a coaster over your glass in order to stop the wein serice..

One other good restaurant I have found, very good for lunch is Isoletta-Leons Italienisches Restaurant, at Wilhem-Leuschner Straffe 32. (next to Intercontinental Hotel). Just past Meridien Hotel, 5 minute walk from Hauptbanhoff. Good food, reasonable prices.

One other comment, if arriving at the Hauptbanhoff, suggest a stop at the Tourist Office, to pick up the latest info as to what is going on, maps, general info, etc. Very helpful.

Strato


I have found several good restaurants in the Sachsenhausen area. Easy to reach via foot or public trans. Adolph Wagner is one. And nearby is another place, think it is called, in english, The Golden Door. (just ask). These reasonably priced applewine restaurants, feature German food and specialize in some of more esoteric cuts of pork. Delicious with some Apfelwien.

O'Reillys is a great place to sample some of the local beverages. Across from Hautbanhoff.

One other place is the seafood Buffet, Friday, at the Meridien Hotel, minutes from Haubtbanhoff. I like to have a few dozen oysters and then take the next train to Oase.

For anyone spending a few days in Frankfurt, check out:

http://frankfurt-on-foot-cityguide. ********.com/

Strato

Myrmidon
01-31-10, 03:51
Once again, thanks to all who have contributed. I have lots of good leads to chase down. The restaurant I had previously heard of is the Adolph Wagner I believe. I think it was a mistake that I departed Frankfurt last time without sampling the applewine, a local delicacy I understand. And with the changing demographic of Frankfurt, it sounds like a kebab is definitely on the order as well.

And of course, the offer is there, I will be intown from the 19th of Apr til the 1st of May, if your going to be there, we should hoist one or two.

Take care and happy hunting. Myr.

P.S. I must be old: I'm as excited about the restaurants / bars as I am about the Lady Lists. Adolph Wagner's menu looks Yummy!

Strato
01-31-10, 21:41
Weyfarere:

Quite honestly, I enjoy kebab and doner kebab joints but am always a bit concernd about where the meat comes from, I. E. Side of dog. Horse rump steak. Etc.

So thank you for the LInk to rank the various Kebab shops. I. E. the Michelin guide to Kebabs!

Strato


http://www.harveys-ffm.de/start.html
Trendy place, friendly, beautiful girls and boys together. I go for the brunch on the weekends.

Use the following link to find the best rated kebabs and shops.

http://www.kebab365.de/

Basketcase
02-02-10, 22:09
Weyfarere:

Quite honestly, I enjoy kebab and doner kebab joints but am always a bit concernd about where the meat comes from, I. E. Side of dog. Horse rump steak. Etc.

So thank you for the LInk to rank the various Kebab shops. I. E. the Michelin guide to Kebabs!Strato man, my friend each time we see each other in Germany, he take me on tour of doener kebab places. He the one that tell me about kebab365.de website as the German hall of fame to kebab shops. I eat Kebab all over Germany now like Bruggen, Cologne, Berlin, Frankfurt, Krefeld, Dusseldorf, Moengladbach etc... Turkish kebab made by German turks are top!

Angus Magee
02-03-10, 07:31
Turkish kebab made by German turks are top!

I find that Kebab are one of those specialities that are either really, really good, or really, really bad. There is not too much in between. I can not speak for all of Germany but the best one I have found in Berlin is the small shop just out side (to the right as you exit) the Yorckstr. SBhan station between Schöneberg & Kreuzberg. Trouble is a lot of folks agree and there is often a line up.

As for the meat? I think that in present day Germany you are pretty safe to assume it is beef and well inspected. But I do remember that when I was living in London in the early '80s there was a scandal involving kebab shops and Australian beef which turned out to be Kangaroo meat.

Skippy the bush kangaroo.

Hessen Bub
02-03-10, 17:08
As for the meat? I think that in present day Germany you are pretty safe to assume it is beef and well inspected

Did you know that there's something called "Döner Mafia" in Germany? No kidding. You never know what is inside, so be careful.

http://www.stern.de/wirtschaft/familie/gammelfleischskandal-die-doener-mafia-597335.html

HB

Angus Magee
02-03-10, 17:34
Did you know that there's something called "Döner Mafia" in Germany? No kidding. You never know what is inside, so be careful.


You are probably right as I think on it. But then as long as it ain't long pig and I don't know....

But then I have to say that the picture accompanying the article shows a pretty extreme döner and I might just have a look and avoid that one.


AM

Masayama
02-03-10, 17:47
http://www.stern.de/wirtschaft/familie/gammelfleischskandal-die-doener-mafia-597335.html
"Gammelfleisch von italienischen Puten"
Old meat from Italian... I hope "Puten" isn't the German equivalent for the Spanish word "putas"?

Should we warn those Romanian girls who pretend to be Italian?

Hessen Bub
02-03-10, 18:22
"Gammelfleisch von italienischen Puten"
Old meat from Italian... I hope "Puten" isn't the German equivalent for the Spanish word "putas"?

Good one. ;)

"Pute" = "turkey". So maybe you should warn the Italain/Turkish mixes.

HB

Basketcase
02-05-10, 01:03
I had known that you could take the train and pretty much go anywhere in Europe. It was just a question of time, cost and convenience. I saw an article in a local paper and saw that one can travel to Germany for as little as 49 EUR by train. This is compare Lufthansa at £49 one way from all LON airports to DUS or FRA or Munich. The article is attached:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23801905-the-train-at-st-pancras-will-be-departing-for-germany-via-channel-tunnel.do

The article is backed up by Deutsch Bahn's website:

http://www.bahn.de/i/view/GBR/en/prices/europe/london-cologne-special.shtml

So for around 4 hours and 11 minutes one can travel from LON to Cologne.

With the plans that Deutsch Bahn are making, it may be even quicker than the current 4 hours and 11 minutes and all before 2012. It will be real convenient to leave the office at say 17:00 and be in FKK Palace by say 22:00 since you lose one hour with the time zone.

The flight to FRA from LON is like 1.5 hours once you add in taxiing and boarding and disembarking. I usually get to the airport 1 to 1.5 hours before and then at the other end another half hour getting through immigration and then taking the train into the FFM Hbf. So one is looking at 3.5-4 hours for the plane without even taking into account the bus or train to the LON airport. Here we have an option by train from central LON to FFM.

Sun, 21 March 2010, 2nd class, no reduction cards. Sample trip schedules for say Easter Saturday, 3 April 2010

Current timetable to FFM with change at Paris from Eurostar to ICE for onward travel to FFM:

06:45-14:30 6:45 hours
07:52-17:06 8:14 hours
08:50-17:41 6:51 hours
09:50-19:13 8:23 hours

Rwaters
02-05-10, 02:21
I had $US to convert to Euros.

Todays official exchange was approximately 71 Euros for $100 US

At 2 EU airports. They offered me 54 Euros for $100 US.

At my hotel, they offered 64.

At a local bank, they gave me 69. 2 Euros.

What a difference. So remember the airport exchanges are absolutely outrageous. In some of my travel experiences, the exchange booths before customs at luggage pickup are terrible. And as soon as you clear customs. They are very good (I. E. Buenos Aires)

Basketcase
02-05-10, 09:51
I had $US to convert to Euros.Hey Rwaters,

Do what some people like Gisele Buchen who ask get paid in euro and not US dollar. No conversion problem then.

I bet all those mens that ask to be paid in US dollar when they work/live in Europe may be regretting now not get paid in euro.

You should feel happy US dollar appreciate to euro 10% already in 2010. Before it cost six American quarters to buy one euro but now it less.

Myrmidon
02-05-10, 21:05
...
You should feel happy US dollar appreciate to euro 10% already in 2010. Before it cost six American quarters to buy one euro but now it less.

I hear ya...the Loonie is also doing well against the €. It's been a bit cheaper this year than last for my 'FKK-bucks', though the 'Air/Hotel' is suckin' up most of the savings. But it's still 'worth it' ;)

Mambomike
02-05-10, 22:12
I hope to be able to walk out of the FRA Banhof and find a bank for currency exchange. Is this a realistic plan?


I had $US to convert to Euros.

Todays official exchange was approximately 71 Euros for $100 US

At 2 EU airports. They offered me 54 Euros for $100 US.

At my hotel, they offered 64.

At a local bank, they gave me 69. 2 Euros.

What a difference. So remember the airport exchanges are absolutely outrageous. In some of my travel experiences, the exchange booths before customs at luggage pickup are terrible. And as soon as you clear customs. They are very good (I. E. Buenos Aires)