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Basketcase
02-05-10, 22:18
I hope to be able to walk out of the FRA Banhof and find a bank for currency exchange. Is this a realistic plan?
Yes it is a realistic plan. At the FFM main train station there is a Reise buro. I understand that Reise in German means Travel. I have used that place once or twice on my premier visit to FFM and felt the rate was not the best. There would be a spread. the Reise Buro is on the South side of the train station. Look for the blue and yellow livery.
I get far better rates on my cash card in the ATM / cash machines as my bank provider does not charge FX commission at 2.75%, nor does it charge 1% FX handling fee like most cards do in my homeland. I shopped around.
There are lots of cash machines in the main train station of you can go across the road to Deutsche bank's ATM.
Is there a real bank there to exchange real currency or only a DB ATM, across from the train station?
Yes it is a realistic plan. At the FFM main train station there is a Reise buro. I understand that Reise in German means Travel. I have used that place once or twice on my premier visit to FFM and felt the rate was not the best. There would be a spread. the Reise Buro is on the South side of the train station. Look for the blue and yellow livery.
I get far better rates on my cash card in the ATM / cash machines as my bank provider does not charge FX commission at 2.75%, nor does it charge 1% FX handling fee like most cards do in my homeland. I shopped around.
There are lots of cash machines in the main train station of you can go across the road to Deutsche bank's ATM.
Basketcase
02-05-10, 22:31
Is there a real bank there to exchange real currency or only a DB ATM, across from the train station?
You can change your USD$ notes into Euro€ notes at the Reiseburo. The best that I can describe the Reiseburo is like a Western Union office. Maybe is does take deposits and is a bank too that is regulated by the Deutsch Bafin.
There are a few other ATMs around outside the main train station area but the DB ATM is the closest one since you can see when you come out onto the main train station concourse outside.
The DB ATM is attached to a fully fledged DB branch. I have not been inside the DB branch to see if they have a foreign exchange facility. So I cannot help there I am sorry.
I get all my cash on my cash debit cards or if I am stuck and/or feeling silly I use my credit cards. I no longer carry around wedges of cash no more like I did in the 1980s when I travelled around the world.
You can change your USD$ notes into Euro€ notes at the Reiseburo. The best that I can describe the Reiseburo is like a Western Union office. Maybe is does take deposits and is a bank too that is regulated by the Deutsch Bafin.
When I was there last spring I took American Express Travellers cheques, only Citi Bank would take them and even then a teller refused my signature and I was stuck. I went to this Reiseburo and had no difficulty cashing the cheques, for a nominal fee. There are many banks within walking distance of the station: Frankfurt is a key banking centre and centre for the eurobank, I think if I remember my tour correctly, and there was a building with a giant Euro sign outside of it.
Basketcase
02-05-10, 23:05
When I was there last spring I took American Express Travellers cheques, only Citi Bank would take them and even then a teller refused my signature and I was stuck. I went to this Reiseburo and had no difficulty cashing the cheques, for a nominal fee. There are many banks within walking distance of the station: Frankfurt is a key banking centre and centre for the eurobank, I think if I remember my tour correctly, and there was a building with a giant Euro sign outside of it.
Myrmidon,
Yes, you are correct that Frankfurt is the home of the European Central Bank (ECB) that sets the base rate for the entire eurozone. It last made a decision on the base rate on 4 February 2010 leaving rates at 1%.
The ECB building does indeed have a giant euro sign outside. I think it looks really kitsch.
You are welcome to continue using the Reiseburo, but I would recommend going to your bank provider and see if you can get your bank cash card to work overseas. In Europe you need a four digit PIN password. No letters. Just numbers. A chip in the card helps identification and prevents fraud.
Also work out what FX commission and FX handling fees that you bank will charge you.
Also ensure that you tell your bank that you are travelling in Europe so that they do not put a stop on your card when you use it in Germany. Also ensure you have some funds in the account to tie you over the travel period.
Myrmidon,
Yes, you are correct
Now that's a phrase I never tire of hearing. ;)
You are welcome to continue using the Reiseburo, but I would recommend going to your bank provider and see if you can get your bank cash card to work overseas. In Europe you need a four digit PIN password. No letters. Just numbers. A chip in the card helps identification and prevents fraud...
Also ensure that you tell your bank that you are travelling in Europe so that they do not put a stop on your card when you use it in Germany. Also ensure you have some funds in the account to tie you over the travel period.
I won't use Trav. Cheq. that put you @ the mercy of some rule-book bound twit! I also recall another pooner being in ?Friedricksdorf? wanting to use his bank card enroute to Oase when his bank shut down for service (Night in N. A.). No, I might do like another recent poster and bring cash, under my hat, (don't wear one, but I can try) in my socks, (no coins please) and as a role stuffed down the front of my pants.
Tried to get a pre-loaded VISA, with €'s, a no go.
Basketcase
02-06-10, 04:25
Tried to get a pre-loaded VISA, with €'s, a no go.
If you cannot get prepaid Visa then you can try get prepaid Mastercard. Mastercard is acceptable in Europe.
Captain dan and I both have prepaid Mastercard. You can get in USD, EUR, GBP, SEK, SGD, YEN, etc... There is a small fee for set up, loading with cash and then if use for on line purchase or ATM cash withdrawal. These cards use the mastercard network of machines.
The particular prepaid mastercard that I use has no set up fee, no cost to load if you use bank transfers and only costs if you withdraw cash from machine. A nominal fee. On line purchase do not attract a charge if in the currency of the card but on line purchase in currency that is not the denomination of the card cost a fee of 2.5%.
Sometimes with my Visa credit card, I can put cash onto it so that it is not a credit card but turn into debit card. So when you take cash out it not cost as much since it is in debit so no interest is charged.
Just options and ideas.
Basketcase:
Putting cash on Visa, in advance of trip is a splendid idea. Not only will it save on interest but funds are assured.
SOP is also to advise CC company of travel plans. Prior to departure.
Strato
Sometimes with my Visa credit card, I can put cash onto it so that it is not a credit card but turn into debit card. So when you take cash out it not cost as much since it is in debit so no interest is charged.
Just options and ideas.
Just curious if any of the esteemed senior members, or anyone else, has experienced a DUO at either Palace or Oase? I researched back about a year and found references alluding to the possibility for others, but no hard evidence. I think the only names I saw mentioned were Michelle (Swiss Miss) & Elena @ Oase.
I realize there are dangers with such an arrangement but if you find ladies that you trust, such as Michelle, I would think it would be a possible great time. And although the 50€s add up quickly, it is still relatively inexpensive, if you have a good pair!
I would like to try it next April.
Comments???
Gfe Finder
02-07-10, 01:01
Just curious if any of the esteemed senior members, or anyone else, has experienced a DUO at either Palace or Oase? I researched back about a year and found references alluding to the possibility for others, but no hard evidence. I think the only names I saw mentioned were Michelle (Swiss Miss) & Elena @ Oase.
I realize there are dangers with such an arrangement but if you find ladies that you trust, such as Michelle, I would think it would be a possible great time. And although the 50€s add up quickly, it is still relatively inexpensive, if you have a good pair!
I would like to try it next April.
Comments???
Just two and they've probably been repeated many times. First, if you want a threesome, the best strategy is to find a girl who you are interested in and ask her if there is another girl she'd like to join you. The reason for this particular approach is twofold:
1.) If you ask her for the 3rd, she is likely to pick a girl she's comfortable with. Thus, she will have a good time.
2.) If she has a good time, so will you.
Second, be sure you clear up what you'd like (lesbian show, etc.) beforehand, preferably with the first girl (Michelle in your case.)
Good luck and please report back! Like many on the forum, I've been with Michelle and thoroughly enjoyed her company. I'd be curious to know what you come up with (i.e. who she's into sexually!)
Rufus T Firefly
02-07-10, 06:09
I hope to be able to walk out of the FRA Banhof and find a bank for currency exchange. Is this a realistic plan?
You can do that but IMHO the best way to handle access to € is to use your bank debit card and the many ATMs around Europe. You don't have to worry about what hours the banks are open or about bank closure holidays. The exchange rate isn't bad at all. You can get the specifics on this by talking with the bank which issued your debit card.
Rufus
Hessen Bub
02-07-10, 10:28
If you want a threesome - ask a girl you know well to choose the second girl. Perfect if you also know her, but even if not it should be a good session. Tell them upfront that you won't pay any extra money for a "lesbo show".
I don't do to many "Dreier", but if they had been good, at World, Oase, Palace.
HB
Be careful about price. You are basically having separate session with each girl. So if you want CIM with both or COB etc your paying each girl 100 and if you want the to do each other you are at 150 each (300 total)
Best money i ever spent.
Often 2 girls will approach you and they may be lovers so the lesbo show is not show nut the real thing.
Good luck
JL
Hessen Bub
02-07-10, 14:05
If you do CIM only with one of them you should only pay 50 EUR extra.
HB
I have been wondering about this. I. E. In a session with two lady's. And only one catch's the CIM. The 100 E for CIM. Is straightforward. But what is the rate for other lady? I would say the usual 50 E.
But should probably should be negotiated in advance.
Is that what you are inferring, HB?
This might provide a "race to the finish" atmosphere, to see who gets the bonus.
Strato
Angus Magee
02-07-10, 18:25
I have been wondering about this. I. E. In a session with two lady's. And only one catch's the CIM. The 100 E for CIM. Is straightforward. But what is the rate for other lady? I would say the usual 50 E.
But should probably should be negotiated in advance.
Is that what you are inferring, HB?
This might provide a "race to the finish" atmosphere, to see who gets the bonus.
Strato
This illustrates, IMO, the difficulty with an FKK threesome. On the one hand I like my sessions to flow. But with two ladies one needs to get it pretty straight right from the beginning what the cost will be. Unless that is you have very deep pockets and an extra 50 here and there will not make much difference to you.
I seem to remember a report on here somewhere in which the poster took two ladies as a threesome in the kino. At the end the one lady took the shot but then directed a second spurt into the second ladies mouth-share the wealth I guess. Thus both were due an extra 50 for cim.
I think the poster in question felt a little cheated by this but do not remember exactly.
In any case, as others have suggested I think it wise to have a pretty good understanding with at least one of the ladies what all you expect and expect to pay.
As I experienced her, Swiss Michelle at Oase would be a good place to start.
AM
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This might provide a "race to the finish" atmosphere, to see who gets the bonus...
It will be interesting to try even this, just the regular session 50E-30min with two girls, so 100E but to tell them there will be another 50E for the one who perform best.... when you are able to make two girls compete between themselfs....well often they do wonders to catch your attention,money etc..
Hessen Bub
02-07-10, 20:27
But should probably should be negotiated in advance.
Is that what you are inferring, HB?
Almost. It's 100 EUR for the girl you feed your sperm to and 50 EUR for the other girl. If you have to spray your load across both faces it'll end up with a 200 EUR damage.
HB
HB,
Given current exchange rates.
One open mouth will suffice for me.
Thank you for the clarification.
S.Trato
Almost. It's 100 EUR for the girl you feed your sperm to and 50 EUR for the other girl. If you have to spray your load across both faces it'll end up with a 200 EUR damage.
HB
So, by way of summing it up, I would say the following:
First, as is always the case, negotiate before you go in; know what your in for and what they can expect.
It is agreed that the base entry fee is 50 E per girl per half hour. Any lesbo activity must be pre-approved by moi and will be an extra 50 E per girl. Obviously time extensions are also 50 E / girl.
How you finish: - 50 E to the lady / ladies who end up with the "Prize", (MY choice how it is spread around). I too remember the post where the lady decided to "share the wealth". It would seem to be an idea to have a designated hitter(s), to borrow a baseball phrase.
A lot of 'trust' is involved. Negotiated deals can potentially become a 'he said', 'she said' argument after the fact. That is why I would likely (but not necessarily) refuse anyone who came to me offering a duo, (as scam artists). I would choose someone I had previously seen and developed some sort of level of rapport with, i.e. Michelle. Letting her choose the 'other lady', subject to my approval, is the best route to ensure my happiness, I think.
Like anything else in this "fantasy world", you have to 'research' the ladies here, 'observe' the ladies actions with others, negotiate before commitment and then, in the end, go with your instincts. (Just like in any 1 on 1 session)
Thanks to all that replied. I particularly liked the idea of a 'competition' for the money shot, but this could lead to 'sharing the wealth'.
My only saving grace is that as an older dude, I tend to be a little 'light on the sauce', if ya get my drift. Some times I deliver, & they don't even know it happened. (Quick or Ya Missed It!)
P.S. I came up with Michelle via research here, and I have seen her several times. If any of you would like to volunteer names of others who you know / believe would be receptive, feel free to post or PM their names. Thanks for your patience.
Myr.
(An Evolving Pooner)
P.S. I came up with Michelle via research here, and I have seen her several times. If any of you would like to volunteer names of others who you know / believe would be receptive, feel free to post or PM their names.
Zena (Brazil, ex- Bernd's) would definitely be up for it. In fact, on my visit 2 weeks ago I discussed this possibility with Michelle, but instead opted to give and receive personal attention from each, separately. Hannah and Verona are 2 others to consider if you prefer to add a blonde into the mix.
Angus Magee
02-08-10, 09:58
Zena (Brazil, ex- Bernd's) would definitely be up for it. In fact, on my visit 2 weeks ago I discussed this possibility with Michelle, but instead opted to give and receive personal attention from each, separately. Hannah and Verona are 2 others to consider if you prefer to add a blonde into the mix.
A Michelle/Zena combo duo. Perfect. But after such a duo Old Angus might just have to hang up his robe & retire. It would not get any better than that.
How young clients are looked at FKK's?
I mean 19-20yo?
How young clients aree looked at FKK's?
I mean 19-20yo.
Basketcase
02-26-10, 09:18
How young clients are looked at FKK's? I mean 19-20yo?Hey Saint Q,
Yes, young clients already get looked at in FKKs just the same as old clients get looked at in FKKs. Girls have eyes and they can see.
I think you find most girls in FKK will be older than 18-20 years, but in especially FKK Oase and FKK World you will find young girls in 18-20 age bracket. Not so at FKK Palace which has working girl age policy of 21 years and over.
I know one or two girls say that they cannot go with mens that are much younger than they are and I know some girls say that they cannot go with mens that have the age of their father. It is just their personal preferences. Regardless in a club with maybe 100 womens you find the girls with these attittudes to be very low in numbers.
You shoulds be fines to find a womans that will accept your offer to take her to the room.
Go enjoy the club and please report your story from a younger man's perspective. It will be very refreshing as manys writers here are men in their thirties and over.
How young clients aree looked at FKK's?
I mean 19-20yo.No differently from any other clients.
Go enjoy the club and please report your story from a younger man's perspective. It will be very refreshing as manys writers here are men in their thirties and over.I post here and not Travel Plans & Announcements since its a replay.
My travel still on the air, im waiting for good flying offers to berlin since I think it's a more cultural classic tourism place, but im still getting info, maybe Frankf its a better option. My intention its to go for three days (2 nights) and take a touristic bus one day, take pics to show friends-family and join city and food, then go FKK 2 days, one if i see im not joining there.
I was going to go with a friend of me but he probably wount go as he's saying price it's too high, we were looking and it cost us about 500€ fly+ hotel-taxis-extra's and then loads of cash to fuck as never before xD.
The fact is that with that money you can be with a lot of girls here in spain, but as what im reading the expirence of FKK is worth the price, the only doubt is if at our age everything will be ok. (i for sure end going xD)
If i finally go solo, ill miss german discos.
thx for the reply's
PS: I havn't been with too many escorts, but 22-27yo had tend to be with me more relaxed than younger ones, I like any age women but I prefer not being with +30yo ones as ther's too much difference.
Eric Cartman
03-18-10, 06:53
Hi Guys -
Apologies for jumping in with some newbie questions. I spent the last few days reading the forums here and the FAQ and club threads. I've contributed some quality reports to the Rio, Thailand, and Sydney forums, so I hope you'll cut me some slack.
I'm debating spending a week in July either back in Rio or trying some place new like Frankfurt / FKK. I'm hoping some folks here have been to Rio and the termas, and can give me their sense / opinion of how the FKKs compare. It will take me about as long to get to Rio as to Frankfurt, and I think Frankfurt honestly will be a bit more expensive.
What I've always liked about Rio is that the terma girls are exceedingly friendly -- they'll sit on your lap and make out with you for 30 mins, go to the room for 40min of a great time that routinely involves BBBJ / CIM / Anal for the fixed price ($R200 = 82 Euro, plus $R60 entrance = 25 Euro), and then come back to the bar and snuggle/make-out with you for another 30 mins. It's like instant girlfriend. Plus you can usually get one to come over after her shift for all-night or at least 3-4 hours for $R400 (165 Euro).
What I'm reading about the FKKs makes me think it's a bit more mechanical. Everything but the basics has an additional fee, and it sounds like the girls "process" more guys.
If anyone can share their impressions and whether it's worth trying the FKKS -- despite the extra expense of flight and of Germany / Euros -- I'd be grateful. I've never really had Eastern European girls, so that's the main attraction.
Lastly, the one thing I can't parse from reading the boards: besides Frankfurt, is there another major German city that has 2-3 top FKKs worth visiting? (If so, what city and which clubs)?
Thanks in advance.
-Cartman
I can't help you on comparisons between Rio and the FKKs. But both seem to be a bargain for what you get. If you are travelling half way around the world, and (not so significant?) price differences between the termas and FKKs are an issue, then something doesn't quite fit, unless someone else is paying for the flights. I wouldn't base my decision on price. Just my opinion of course, you're entitled to pose the question.
Cities and FKKs: remember, even in Frankfurt you are looking at an area, not a city: the only one of the big FKKs in the city is Palace. The others are a good distance out.
Outside Frankfurt most would recommend the area of Nordrhein-Westfalen (NRW), where you can base yourself in the area around Köln and/or Düsseldorf. Best get some wheels, and then there are certainly half a dozen big FKKs to choose from (just read on in the forum). If price IS an issue, NRW is cheaper.
Otherwise most cities only have a single FKK (big one at any rate). There are 2-3 medium-size ones around Stuttgart, but whether they are worth zeroing in on, I have my doubts.
East European girls: go to any big FKK and you will have a whole host of real beauties to choose from, many from Romania and Bulgaria at the moment. I WOULD base my choice on that factor. Artemis in Berlin has a pretty useful Polish and Baltic faction if you like blondes.
Thanks for your past contributions to the forum, and good luck with your decision. We'd all appreciate a run down of your experiences if you do hit the FKKs.
Hi Guys -
Apologies for jumping in with some newbie questions. I spent the last few days reading the forums here and the FAQ and club threads. I've contributed some quality reports to the Rio, Thailand, and Sydney forums, so I hope you'll cut me some slack.
I'm debating spending a week in July either back in Rio or trying some place new like Frankfurt / FKK. I'm hoping some folks here have been to Rio and the termas, and can give me their sense / opinion of how the FKKs compare. It will take me about as long to get to Rio as to Frankfurt, and I think Frankfurt honestly will be a bit more expensive.
What I've always liked about Rio is that the terma girls are exceedingly friendly -- they'll sit on your lap and make out with you for 30 mins, go to the room for 40min of a great time that routinely involves BBBJ / CIM / Anal for the fixed price ($R200 = 82 Euro, plus $R60 entrance = 25 Euro), and then come back to the bar and snuggle/make-out with you for another 30 mins. It's like instant girlfriend. Plus you can usually get one to come over after her shift for all-night or at least 3-4 hours for $R400 (165 Euro).
What I'm reading about the FKKs makes me think it's a bit more mechanical. Everything but the basics has an additional fee, and it sounds like the girls "process" more guys.
If anyone can share their impressions and whether it's worth trying the FKKS -- despite the extra expense of flight and of Germany / Euros -- I'd be grateful. I've never really had Eastern European girls, so that's the main attraction.
Lastly, the one thing I can't parse from reading the boards: besides Frankfurt, is there another major German city that has 2-3 top FKKs worth visiting? (If so, what city and which clubs)?
Thanks in advance.
-Cartman
Toscana provided you with some answers. As this topic has been discussed a number of times over the last 2-3 years you can find more info below. Here are 2 posts that summarize the differences.
The first by our friend Routard from 2008 is from the perspective of a long time FKK visitor after making his first Brazilain foray. It's quite long with detailed descriptions of of his Terma visits but his conclusion really sums up the differences well.
So, what about the big question, what is the best between German FKK and Brazilian Termas? Hard to give an opinion. Regarding facilities, even Centaurus can’t top the three Frankfurt FKK, but that’s not the most important. Regarding girls, quality level is similar in both, but I still would give the advantage to the German FKK as there is more diversity in origin. However, the main difference is atmosphere. It all depends what you are looking for. German FKK are definitely more erotic. Most girls are naked in FKK, and coach action if not public sex is not uncommon in most German FKK. In the Brazilian Termas, I found the guests very prude, hiding themselves to take a shower and wearing sometimes underwear under the bathrobe. I had trouble with the small size of the bathrobes in Termas, but the girls instantly helped me to hide if anything was visible from my body. There is much more sex in German FKK, multiple sessions for girls and guests is the rule. On the other side, Brazilian Termas are much better for GFE. Girls in Terma are independent and enjoy their job while in German FKK the hordes of Eastern European girls are mainly controlled my mafia and pimps. Not only most guests have only sex once, but also the girls. The ratio of girls to guest is incredible, most girls don’t even have sex once a day. When they have sex, they really enjoy it. If there is a good chemistry, most girls will give their phone number to meet outside the club, highly uncommon in German FKK. Anyway, I had wonderful experience in Terma as well as in German FKK, sex is a matter of chemistry between you and the girl, no matter where you are.
The other from Jayf last year is from the perspective of a regular Rio traveller after making his first visit to FKK-land. http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=866228&postcount=3803
Not much more to add to those comparisons, other than some personal observations.
I have sampled Termas (sadly my last visit was almost 4 years ago, so I can't comment on the current state of affairs there) and visit FKK land quite often. I like to spice things up and add variety from time to time, otherwise, familiar surroundings get stale. Of course great sex can never really get stale, and in both places you can have great erotic experiences. Germany and Brazil, along with Thailand and Macau rank at the top of my favorite places to monger list.
But, as the previous posts show, the overall experiences, as well as little things that set the scene, are quite different. My favorite part of the Termas was the chance to hook up outside of the club environment with a favored provider whom I met at a club, after hours and on subsequent days for a true GFE experience. It would be great if we could work that feature into the FKK scene.
My favorite part of Germany's sex offerings is that there's so much of it, in so many venues, in such a variety of different modes, with a huge variety of different shapes, sizes, nationalities and body types, at an affordable cost and in an incredibly safe, secure and comfortable, by Western standards, environment. It really is unique amongst the Western industrialized countries. It will cost more than Brazil, and you will come back financially poorer, but richer with a new set of experiences, and that may be worth the price.
Gfe Finder
03-19-10, 05:34
Hi Guys -
Apologies for jumping in with some newbie questions. I spent the last few days reading the forums here and the FAQ and club threads. I've contributed some quality reports to the Rio, Thailand, and Sydney forums, so I hope you'll cut me some slack.
I'm debating spending a week in July either back in Rio or trying some place new like Frankfurt / FKK. I'm hoping some folks here have been to Rio and the termas, and can give me their sense / opinion of how the FKKs compare. It will take me about as long to get to Rio as to Frankfurt, and I think Frankfurt honestly will be a bit more expensive.
What I've always liked about Rio is that the terma girls are exceedingly friendly -- they'll sit on your lap and make out with you for 30 mins, go to the room for 40min of a great time that routinely involves BBBJ / CIM / Anal for the fixed price ($R200 = 82 Euro, plus $R60 entrance = 25 Euro), and then come back to the bar and snuggle/make-out with you for another 30 mins. It's like instant girlfriend. Plus you can usually get one to come over after her shift for all-night or at least 3-4 hours for $R400 (165 Euro).
What I'm reading about the FKKs makes me think it's a bit more mechanical. Everything but the basics has an additional fee, and it sounds like the girls "process" more guys.
If anyone can share their impressions and whether it's worth trying the FKKS -- despite the extra expense of flight and of Germany / Euros -- I'd be grateful. I've never really had Eastern European girls, so that's the main attraction.
Lastly, the one thing I can't parse from reading the boards: besides Frankfurt, is there another major German city that has 2-3 top FKKs worth visiting? (If so, what city and which clubs)?
Thanks in advance.
-Cartman
Cartman,
Here are some of my thoughts in answer to your questions; take them for what they're worth as they are all based on my opinions and experiences.
Routard's commentary as posted by Iseeu is for the most part accurate. I've found it's generally easier to get more and better GFE in the Termas vs. the FKKs. There's two reasons: 1.) it's far easier to get takeout from the Termas and 2.) the service level on average is higher at the Termas since a.) Termas girls don't have to session as often to make a good living and b.) they seem to enjoy the work more. My lone personal exception is Bernds, where the service levels meet or exceed what I have found in Brazil.
If you do the math, the price is cheaper in Brazil, even accounting for the fact that you're charged for food and drinks.
If you want to venture out past Frankfurt, some other popular choices are Samya in Cologne or Artemis in Berlin.
Is it worth visiting? This is not an easy question and only you can answer it for sure. Again, this is just my opinion based on my experience. While GFE is generally easier to get in Brazil (exception as noted above), you won't get the diversity and nice, spacious facilities that you'd get in an FKK.
Eric Cartman
03-19-10, 06:15
Many thanks Iseeu, GFE, and Toscana ... very much appreciate the kind replies and info. It's hard to search with the right terms or browse back far enough to catch some of those reports.
Debating right now where I'll go but if it's FKKs you can expect a report here. If it's Rio, I'll do another Cartman Report in that forum.
Dr Clitorius
04-08-10, 01:58
Dear colleagues Isue, GFE and Toscany
Your comments about "Termas in Rio de Janeiro" are Accurate and I agree with all points of view frencuento Since Rio Almost all STIs and points for 20 years and I Have the good fortune profunididad to meet in, except to go out with girls in Germany's FKKIs Cheaper Than in Termas firstclass as in a terma as "Centaurus" or "Solarium" dating a girl for 40 minutes with included Income Can Costa Between are $ 340 are $ 440 (Euros 140 to Euros 185).. Out for a night and live a GFE with one of the best girls of Centaurus last weekis are $ 1, 000 (Euros 400). Without considering all drinks and food. In my own experience a good afternoon with 2therm is about hot girls bautifull are $ 800 (Euros 400) and a good night out to dinner and getting a good GFE ob Another are $ 1, 500 (Euros 600) = 1000 total expenditure Euros. Not so cheap.
Of course I am available to Clarify Any Questions about Termas in Rio and points of whoring in South America and the Caribbean, Staying at your disposal.
On the Other Hand, and Being new to the forum Also does Not Know the FKK But I need to Rely on the advice of the subject Since FKK Experienced Masterssar That It is Different Things I'm interested to see for myself, on Traveling to Germany in 15 days and I Have Doubts about the form of transport to FKK in Frankfurt and Dusseldorf area because I like to drink in clubs and I'm not willing to take Risks of accidents or late When you take the path back, Could please tell me What is the cost of using taxis in both cities:
How much theTaxi rare from Frankfurt Hbf to Oase and to Wordl?
How much the rare Taxifrom Dusseldorf to Golden Time?
Thank you very much for your cooperation.
DC
With respect to the question of FKKs vs Termas, I would think Termas are off the table for a bit. The severe flooding / landslides in Brazil / Rio have probably put them in an awkward state for a while. How long it will last would appear to depend on the weather.
Myr.
Dr Clitorius
04-08-10, 21:03
Dear Myrmidon, in fact all the "Termas" are still open in Rio because the floodings/landslides.they were terrific- only happens in the poor neighborhoods called "favelas" in the top of the mountains ("morros"), places around Rio but it¨s all ok with Centaurus, Solarium, Four by Four, etc. Actually
Sorry but I need your help dear gentlemen abotu the taxi rares from Frankfurt/Dusseldorf to the FKK's.
How much theTaxi rare from Frankfurt Hbf to Oase and to Wordl?
How much the rare Taxifrom Dusseldorf to Golden Time?
Thanks!
DC
Dear Myrmidon, in fact all the "Termas" are still open in Rio because the floodings/landslides.they were terrific- only happens in the poor neighborhoods called "favelas" in the top of the mountains ("morros"), places around Rio but it¨s all ok with Centaurus, Solarium, Four by Four, etc. Actually
Sorry but I need your help dear gentlemen abotu the taxi rares from Frankfurt/Dusseldorf to the FKK's.
How much theTaxi rare from Frankfurt Hbf to Oase and to Wordl?
How much the rare Taxifrom Dusseldorf to Golden Time?
Thanks!
DC
Taxi from HBf to Oase is about 40E. World is considerably more. I estimate it would cost about 75E each way.
Gfe Finder
04-09-10, 02:26
Taxi from HBf to Oase is about 40E. World is considerably more. I estimate it would cost about 75E each way.
The one (and only) time I took a taxi from World to Frankfurt the fare was ~100 €. This happened late at night a few years ago.
Dr Clitorius
04-09-10, 04:50
Thank you very much Akibono and GFE for the information!
DC
Fahrradfahrer
05-10-10, 01:35
If you are really serious about learning Deutsch, don't waste your time with a book or CD: Go to Deutschland for an intensive 2-week or 4-week Sprach Course. This is really the best (and only?) way to do it. Yes it is expensive. Yes, you will have to sacrifice by actually living in Germany for this period (oh how will you fill your free time??). But it will pay enormous dividends. Also, don't bother learning any language if you don't learn to read and write it simultaneously with the speaking.
The best most efficient intensive courses are offered by the Goethe Institue, with branches all over Germany. Choose your favourite area, then do it. Expensive, but worth it!
OrtosVery good advice.
I took 4 semesters (evenings) over a 2 year period at the Goethe Institute in Toronto. Since then I have made several trips to Germany and found that I could handle most situations in German.
As you say it was well worth the money spent.
Do any FKKs feature "under 21" ladies?
Hessen Bub
05-12-10, 07:04
Do any FKKs feature "under 21" ladies?
Most of them will, except for Palace and Paradise, they do not let girls under 21 in.
HB
Vito Corleone
05-12-10, 14:40
Do any FKKs feature "under 21" ladies?
You can also visit Bernd's where everyone is aged between 18-20 squared.
Friedberger
05-13-10, 15:41
Instead of paying a small fortune to take a taxi to Golden Time (I'd guess at least Euro 80 one way), why not visit Living Room instead. It's a slightly smaller club than GT, but has an equally good line up. You can take the train from Duesseldorf Hauptbahnhof (S 28 if I remember correctly) to the stop IKEA Kaarst and walk about 10 minutes from there. Several colleagues have posted precise details on the route in the Living Room thread.
It takes about 30 minutes by train and the last train back to central Duesseldorf leaves at 0010. A taxi from Living Room to central Duesseldorf costs about Euro 30.
I visit Living Room about once a month and always have a good time.
Sorry but I need your help dear gentlemen abotu the taxi rares from Frankfurt/Dusseldorf to the FKK's.
How much theTaxi rare from Frankfurt Hbf to Oase and to Wordl?
How much the rare Taxifrom Dusseldorf to Golden Time?
Thanks!
DC
Gents,
I have been following this forum for a while & have now got a chance to visit Frankfurt.
Could you guys please help me with info on clubs & hotels here?
Or a link to where I can find this info.
I arrive early morning & leave the next morning.
Appreciate your assistance,
Cheers
Rufus T Firefly
05-27-10, 10:40
I took 4 semesters (evenings) over a 2 year period at the Goethe Institute in Toronto. Since then I have made several trips to Germany and found that I could handle most situations in German.
The Goethe Institute is an excellent resource. I'd encourage anyone wanting to learn a language to use the method which works the best for them. For me, getting into formal classes, with the right instructor, was the best way to go. I liked the structure and the expectation of preparing for each class. Most important to me was getting a good instructor. I was very fortunate to take 200 level German, twice, with the same instructor who walked in and spoke almost exclusively in German. She loved the language, she liked if students took initiative and stretched their skills. I think I learned even more taking it the second time even after getting A's the first time. Meanwhile, I heard horror stories about an instructor at a school on the other side of town. I also took classes with another instructor who, though an incredibly nice guy, had very little discipline to stay on task. Good teaching isn't easy and takes planning.
Rufus
Rufus T Firefly
05-27-10, 10:47
I have been following this forum for a while & have now got a chance to visit Frankfurt.Could you guys please help me with info on clubs & hotels here?Or a link to where I can find this info. I arrive early morning & leave the next morning.
There have been several instances of people sampling the Frankfurt FKKs and RLD areas in a short period of time. Read the Palace and Oases threads in the FKK area and also the Frankfurt area on the Germany topic area. Much has been posted on transportation, ideas on places to stay, club particulars, usw.
Answers for the general questions you're posting have been covered many times on this site.
Enjoy !
Rufus
Basketcase
06-10-10, 23:55
I have been following this forum for a while & have now got a chance to visit Frankfurt.
Could you guys please help me with info on clubs & hotels here?
Or a link to where I can find this info.
I arrive early morning & leave the next morning.
Appreciate your assistance,Malabo,
From what I can discern from your post is that you have around 24 hours in Frankfurt am Main.
Hotels can be booked direct with an establishment or you can use these links:
www.booking.com
www.hrs.de
I guess you are sorted on flights so we do not need to go there.
With 24 hours the time is tight so I suggest staying in Frankfurt city itself to maximize time.
Since you are asking on the FKK section then Palace is the place to go. Read the Palace thread for a few pages back to get a feel and also girls to look out for or avoid for that matter. Prices can be found out too if you do a bit of research there.
Also of merit is the red light district which is to the east of the main train station in Frankfurt. There is loads of variety there: Latinas, Asians, Africans, and Europeans. Prices are negotiable so bring your bargaining skills here.
You may try for Oase or World but these involve much further travel. Oase is like 18 km from the city and World is around 60 km from the city. Have a look at those threads though if you are interested. A number here may recommend Oase nonetheless your time is short.
Palace should give you what you want which is a FKK experience. A super club with lots of wellness facilities and a line up of naked women that will fuck you for money.
I´m from Sweden and I´ll be visiting NRW-region between 23rd and 27th June. Which places (fkk:s and partytreffs) would you recommend me to visit? Last year I visited La Luna Club, Grimberg Sauna and Club Tabulous and it was really nice but now I would like to visit new places. I have red plenty of reports of other places but I just can´t make up my mind which places are best. I will have a rental car during my stay so I can travel longer distances but not too long:)
Which places ar too good to miss out? ;) Is there any place where one can enjoy jacuzzi, swimingpool, good food AND company with really beautiful girls?
I liked the service in La Luna but the girls there were not that pretty and the place was boring as hell so I just sessioned with two of them during my 4 day visit in the area last year.
WHICH PLACES ARE TOO GOOD TO MISS OUT? ;) Are there places where one can enjoy jacuzzi, swimmingpool, (World Cup on TV - if possible but necessarily), good food AND really PRETTY girls at the same time?
Travelerb69
06-12-10, 03:58
I´m from Sweden and I´ll be visiting NRW-region between 23rd and 27th June. Which places (fkk:s and partytreffs) would you recommend me to visit? Last year I visited La Luna Club, Grimberg Sauna and Club Tabulous and it was really nice but now I would like to visit new places. I have red plenty of reports of other places but I just can´t make up my mind which places are best. I will have a rental car during my stay so I can travel longer distances but not too long:)
Which places ar too good to miss out? ;) Is there any place where one can enjoy jacuzzi, swimingpool, good food AND company with really beautiful girls?
WHICH PLACES ARE TOO GOOD TO MISS OUT? ;) Are there places where one can enjoy jacuzzi, swimmingpool, (World Cup on TV - if possible but necessarily), good food AND really PRETTY girls at the same time?
I would recommend, in this order:
- Golden Time, in Bruggen;whirlpool but no swimming pool
- Living Room in Kaarst;the same
- FKK 39 in Bochum; no whirlpool nor swimming pool
- Acapulco in Velbert;whirlpool and inner swimming pool
- Pauschal Club Bochum;
- Pauschal Club Dortmund;
All of them are less than one hour drive from Dusseldorf and from each other.
Not sure about TVs, but probably all of them will have one during the World cup. The 4 first ones have good food(for club standards), IMO.
The former 2 are flat-rate clubs if this is your thing, and have reasonable food.
Lots of info in the dedicated threads about the 4 first ones, and in "other Partytreffs" about the 2 former ones.
Do your research, have fun and please report your experiences.
I would recommend, in this order:
- Golden Time, in Bruggen;whirlpool but no swimming pool
- Living Room in Kaarst;the same
- FKK 39 in Bochum; no whirlpool nor swimming pool
- Acapulco in Velbert;whirlpool and inner swimming pool
- Pauschal Club Bochum;
- Pauschal Club Dortmund;
All of them are less than one hour drive from Dusseldorf and from each other.
Not sure about TVs, but probably all of them will have one during the World cup. The 4 first ones have good food(for club standards), IMO.
The former 2 are flat-rate clubs if this is your thing, and have reasonable food.
Lots of info in the dedicated threads about the 4 first ones, and in "other Partytreffs" about the 2 former ones.
Do your research, have fun and please report your experiences.Thanks!
I will surely report so stay tuned.
HeartMuscle
07-05-10, 03:41
Gentlemen,
I'm a newbie - done lots of reading here and have a question.
It was suggested on the Costa Rica board that inexpensive gifts would be appreciated, the kind of jewelry a girl might buy for herself at a mall shop. It seemed sensible but there's a different standard of living in C.R. vs. Germany.
Good idea? Bad idea? Your thoughts?
Heartmuscle
SoFla USA
Angus Magee
07-05-10, 08:24
It was suggested on the Costa Rica board that inexpensive gifts would be appreciated, the kind of jewelry a girl might buy for herself at a mall shop. It seemed sensible but there's a different standard of living in C.R. vs. Germany.
Good idea? Bad idea? Your thoughts?
Hi Heart,
My thought is that it very much depends upon how you do this. As you note, this is not a third world country and trinkets are not going to get you far by themselves. But if you bring something nice that tickles the girls and manage to present it with aplomb, I can not see it hurting anything.
The last time I visited Artemis I met up with an ISG member who had, I think, some lipsticks he gave to a girl. I remember then a number of girls asking him for lipsticks. It was really, as I could see, a way for him to contact nicely the girls and take it from there. But the girls do talk and his generosity was no doubt noticed. I myself have brought a small bag of chocolates on Easter and this also was something the girls liked and acted as an ice breaker.
One thing to remember-in German the word "Gift" means poison. The word for present is "Geschenk". So it does not do mixing up the two. That is do not go telling the girls you have for them a small Gift. It might be misunderstood;)
Hessen Bub
07-05-10, 09:07
No harm in bringing small gifts. The girls like and appreciate it. But do not expect to get sex in exchange for gifts, you will still have to pay the 50 EUR charge for a standard session. ;) Unless you bring a Rolex ...
HB
I think Angus is right but it can be a curse. The girls remember, usually good but sometimes a pain.
Save special gifts for special girls. There is one girl I like at Artemis, I gave her a sample of Carolina Herrera perfume and told her it was because she reminded me of Penelope Cruz. Did not see her for a few months but she out did herself, including asking me to CIM, something I would not generally take off the menu because of cost. There was no charge and the session ran well over an hour of frenetic PSE/GFE stuff. Some girls forget you but most will drop a guy they are talking to and come over of they see you.
On the downside, if things were not good don't give them a gift.
I gave a lipstick to a girl at Artemis who asked; I would never session with here, she is big, ample figure and lots of tats - not me. She started to bug me to session, it got irritating and I told her nicely that she was nice but not my type. She thanked me and came back and asked what my type was - Ok petite, cute face, nice tits no plastic, friendly. I rolled over and went to sleep only to be awaken by a girl that fitted my bill. This girl spoke no English, friend brokered deal. Fantastic effort. I did give the original girl another small gift.
Just as a tip - if you are planning to go on a trip, work out how to pick up things cheaply. Airlines have some good duty free but real bargains are in discount stores in the US - Ross for less, TJ Maxx, Tuesday morning for cosmetics etc.
Hi Heart,
My thought is that it very much depends upon how you do this. As you note, this is not a third world country and trinkets are not going to get you far by themselves. But if you bring something nice that tickles the girls and manage to present it with aplomb, I can not see it hurting anything.
The last time I visited Artemis I met up with an ISG member who had, I think, some lipsticks he gave to a girl. I remember then a number of girls asking him for lipsticks. It was really, as I could see, a way for him to contact nicely the girls and take it from there. But the girls do talk and his generosity was no doubt noticed. I myself have brought a small bag of chocolates on Easter and this also was something the girls liked and acted as an ice breaker.
One thing to remember-in German the word "Gift" means poison. The word for present is "Geschenk". So it does not do mixing up the two. That is do not go telling the girls you have for them a small Gift. It might be misunderstood;)
Airlines have some good duty free...
On the other hand... On impulse, flying out of PE Trudeau bound for FRA a couple of weeks back, I decided to pick up a half-liter of Sirop D'Erable for my favorite girl at World. No tax, but nearly twice the price I'd have paid at a fruiterie in Montreal.
For the record, she had no idea what maple syrup is, had never heard of it before, and had no idea what to do with it. While tempted to suggest that it's primarily used to drip over a woman's breasts prior to licking it off, I did set her straight.
As it would happen, my next trip over commences the day before her birthday. Has anyone here ever brought in a birthday cake for one of the girls? Or seen one brought in by another?
Angus Magee
07-05-10, 13:05
As it would happen, my next trip over commences the day before her birthday. Has anyone here ever brought in a birthday cake for one of the girls? Or seen one brought in by another?
Well...funny you should ask. It was not at an FKK, rather at a bordello, but ol' Angus, the hopeless romantic, once did bake a cake (actually Mousse au Chocolat avec Creme de Maron and Cherries) and took it in to his then favorite girl at Kamilla Dee here in Berlin. We spent the hour eating & licking it off each other in various poses. A very nice memory indeed.
As I see it the only difficulty with doing the same in a club would be it is rather more logistically difficult. That is, a cake is large and hard to carry without damage. Maybe a small cake in a bakery box?
Also this gesture towards the bordello girl did somewhat backfire on me as the poor girl started to be falsely nice to me as she felt a bit indebted to my generous enthusiasm for her slim 20 yo. body. This was not my intention but such gestures can easily be misinterpreted by a younger woman who is playing for pay.
AM
Gfe Finder
07-05-10, 14:00
Gentlemen,
I'm a newbie - done lots of reading here and have a question.
It was suggested on the Costa Rica board that inexpensive gifts would be appreciated, the kind of jewelry a girl might buy for herself at a mall shop. It seemed sensible but there's a different standard of living in C.R. vs. Germany.
Good idea? Bad idea? Your thoughts?
Heartmuscle
SoFla USA
Angus is correct that gift-giving won't get you as far in Europe as in the 3rd world, but in general I am hesitant to give unsolicited gifts since they may not be meaningful or even useful to her. Women tend to have very individual and distinct tastes in jewelry, perfume, clothing, and lotions so unless I know her quite well I wouldn't lean in this direction.
If you must give a gift, I've had both food and drink go over very well. For example, I brought some champagne, strawberries and whipped cream for one girl and they all tasted even better off her breasts! In another case I was asked for chocolate from my home country. Since I don't come from Switzerland or Belgium I double-checked whether she really wanted the inferior stuff. She did, and was glad that I remembered.
Angus Magee
07-05-10, 14:10
I've had both food and drink go over very well. For example, I brought some champagne, strawberries and whipped cream for one girl and they all tasted even better off her breasts!
Come now Gfe Finder-you expect us to believe that you brought the strawberries and whipped cream for her? ;) As with my Chocolate Mousse, I believe it was mostly to experience licking them off her breasts. Nice that she is a good sport with food fun.
But I have to agree that food, more specifically sweet food, is the best avenue.
Gfe Finder
07-05-10, 14:16
Come now Gfe Finder-you expect us to believe that you brought the strawberries and whipped cream for her? ;) As with my Chocolate Mousse, I believe it was mostly to experience licking them off her breasts. Nice that she is a good sport with food fun.
But I have to agree that food, more specifically sweet food, is the best avenue.
Well, she did have some to eat. That ought to count as something for her. :)
So to the point, if you have a range of perfumes or lipsticks or Nutella .... you can to her about what fragance, colour or smear proximity will capture the essence of her womanhood ...
... Women tend to have very individual and distinct tastes in jewelry, perfume, clothing, and lotions so unless I know her quite well I wouldn't lean in this direction.
I just moved to the area so excuse my ignorance. So at these clubs there is a flat rate to get in and then you can enjoy as many girls as you want? Do you have to then tip the girls? Do the girls charge for each session? I'm not a cheap ass but just want to know how much to bring. IF the flat rate to get in is 50 E, then how much should I bring if I want to enjoy 2 or 3 girls? How much does each girl charge per session?
Thanks for the info.
Andypandara
08-11-10, 20:31
So at these clubs there is a flat rate to get in and then you can enjoy as many girls as you want? Do you have to then tip the girls? Do the girls charge for each session?My understanding is that the various clubs are operated as follows:
* FKK - Admission charge to enjoy the facilities, each girl operates as an independent after that and is paid individually, sessions usually private 1-on-1. Expect best overall level of girls here, and in a real FKK they are walking around buck naked, YMMV I suppose.
* Sauna Club - Like an FKK, but the girls are covered?
* PartyTreff - Single admission covers all, including food, facilities and girls. Oriented more towards public sex and group sex activities. If you like to hang it in public go here. Level of girls may be from poor to very good, but not usually at the level of a FKK
* PauschalClub - I think this is kind of like a cross between the previous two, single entrance like a PartyTreff, but sessions occur in single rooms with a 1-on-1 bias.
I am still planning my trip for October, but this is how I have been interpreting the data during my planning. So as far as expense is concerned, it is a trade of how many € you wish to spend, with FKK probably at the top, and PartyTreffs at the bottom
Silas Meacham
08-11-10, 21:33
I have the good fortune to be spending a few months for work in Germany. Fucking or even touching another woman meets my definition of cheating on my wife, but ogling multiple nude ladies and watching other people have sex does not violate my admittedly arbitrary definition of cheating.
Would it be weird for me to go to an fkk club and just jack off? If it would be strange, then what would be a more appropriate venue for the ultimate masturbation experience? What places do you recommend that are acessible by public transport near Stuttgart, Mannheim or Frankfurt? And am I supposed to shave my junk?
Many thanks.
Angus Magee
08-13-10, 08:24
okay, i'll bite.
would it be weird for me to go to an fkk club and just jack off?
in a word-yes. it would be down right creepy. not that it does not happen. girls often tell me that it happens but they do not appreciate it in the least. personally, it is not so much the jacking off as the trying to hide it that is sort of creepy.
now if you go, pay the entry and then pick a girl and jack off to her either in public or in a room then pay her the agreed upon fee, i can not see anyone really objecting to this. some guys might find it uncomfortable (if you do the public option) but if you pay who can really object? and if you want to watch the girl fuck you could always find a willing guy who would do the honors. this is not unheard of, one guy paying a session for another guy as he watches. many guys would likely say no but some might say yes. in fact if you pay my train fare, entry fee and the price of one session old angus will gladly bone the girl of your choice while you watch. just keep your hands where i can see them and be very careful where you point the spray. my liberal attitude to such things ends with getting an unintended cob ;) or at least that would be extra.
if it would be strange, then what would be a more appropriate venue for the ultimate masturbation experience? what places do you recommend that are acessible by public transport near stuttgart, mannheim or frankfurt?
maybe a kino? or a table dance bar? but still if you are trying to hide it and not pay it is creepy and easily misinterpreted. there are also, at least in berlin, peep shows where you sit in a booth and wank to a live girl for a small fee. this might just fit your profile.
but the ultimate masturbation experience i can not say. as one of my fave sci-fi authors said about masturbation (and i paraphrase)-it is clean, cheap, safe and efficient, but also very lonely. far be it for me to lead a faithful married man astray, but once you have crossed the threshold to an fkk you might as well go all the way and stick it in somewhere. for me the definition of cheating is if you do something that you would not just casually mention to your partner-oh honey, i went to the fkk last night. it is this hiding that is dishonest, not the fact of fucking another woman.
and am i supposed to shave my junk?
if you want to get your balls well and truly licked yes. otherwise, up to you.
Andypandara
08-13-10, 18:45
In fact if you pay my train fare, entry fee and the price of one session Old Angus will gladly bone the girl of your choice while you watch. Just keep your hands where I can see them and be very careful where you point the spray. My liberal attitude to such things ends with getting an unintended cob ;) or at least that would be extra.Angus, this struck me so funny and so true to your willingness to sacrifice yourself in the interests of the greater good , and I just wanted to use it as a segue to thanking you and all the other regular posters like Hessen Bub, BasketCase, Iseeu, Wanking and all the others too numerous to mention on here that have made me feel welcome and a part of the community, even though I have yet been unable to actually yet contribute a post of my experience as I haven't yet made my planned trip. I plan to absolutely rectify that when I return to the sexual wasteland at the end of October.
Also, thank you for your response to my thread on the General Info topic regarding the use of "Those little pills" http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=1054609#post1054609
Milktrayman
09-07-10, 20:32
I seem to have lost my first post but here goes again.
I am thinking of visiting the Palace on a flying visit. Can anyone advise what the taxi fare is from Frankfurt Airport to the Club?
I am thinking of staying in the club from around opening to closing and then flying out on day 2. Apart from needing boundless energy are there any problems with doing this?
Will I be able to eat well in the Club?
Hessen Bub
09-08-10, 09:45
Cab should not be more than 25-30€. You can stay at the club from 10 to 4 without any problems, breakfast is excellent, dinner is ok. Have fun.
HB
Suller Joe
09-08-10, 17:06
Apart from needing boundless energy are there any problems with doing this?
There is no problem going outside for a while, either. Just talk to the reception. Very helpful. There is a blond woman who can be a bit bitchy/strict, but in the end even she is helpful.
I seem to have lost my first post but here goes again.
I am thinking of visiting the Palace on a flying visit. Can anyone advise what the taxi fare is from Frankfurt Airport to the Club?
I am thinking of staying in the club from around opening to closing and then flying out on day 2. Apart from needing boundless energy are there any problems with doing this?
Will I be able to eat well in the Club?
Yes, I think Hessen Bub is right on the taxis from memory. And of course trains and such will be scarce, if not non-existent, at closing time.
I think spending the whole day is a great idea. Great experience probably if you pace yourself. Certainly visually. Remember it's really like two different days, as it is calmer, less full and more relaxed until about 18.00, then the energy levels and numbers in the club can rise dramatically. Perhaps try to get in some quality sessions early, when the girls tend to be more relaxed themselves, and then you can lie back, enjoy the scene, fend off the inevitable heavy-selling operators and still choose some final fun in due course.
Have fun, and do report.
Milktrayman
09-09-10, 16:43
Thanks to you all for the excellent information. It does seem to make sense to spend a decent amount of time at the club and pace it out!
Can you get a beer at a reasonable price and do they charge it to your account and you pay on exiting?
Hercules78
09-11-10, 03:49
Are there any deals like multiple day passes at World, Oase or Palace. I'll be there for 5 days and would want to repeat locations during those 5 days.
Basketcase
09-11-10, 08:37
Are there any deals like multiple day passes at World, Oase or Palace. I'll be there for 5 days and would want to repeat locations during those 5 days.
World has multiple day passes at a discounted price - you can buy them in bundles of 5 visits (260 euro), 10 visits (475 euro), or one month pass.
Mainhattan has a deal with World for 499 euro for 10 visits that can be used at either Mainhattan or World. This gives you the option of visiting two different clubs using the same discounted entry card.
Palace has a business visit for 2 hours where you pay 50 euro instead of the normal 75 euro for a visit. I hear also that Palace has a prepaid discounted pass card as well - read the Palace thread or look at the Palace website for details.
Oase has at certain times of the year the offer to buy discounted entry passes but currently there is no offer. The last offer ended 15 August 2010 during the slower summer months. It may be offered again but we are now into the busy messe season of September to November so it is unlikely I think.
Logically if the club is indifferent to you then World is the place to go or maybe the Mainhattan and World combination discounted entry card.
Hercules78
09-13-10, 03:14
Can anyone give me some recommendations. I will be in Frankfurt for full five days starting Tue. morning (fly in) until Sun afternoon (fly out) in November. It is a leisure trip and all I want to do is spend time in FKKs and fuck beautiful young women. I have booked a hotel in Frankfurt and will have a rental car with me all 5 days.
Now my question is can anyone give me suggestions on how I can really enjoy the 5 days to the maximum. I have been to Oase, Palace and World before but those trips were when I travelled on business so I always had the pressure of going back early to hotel since I had a business meeting the next day or so. This time I am on my own on vacation.
Also would it be worthwhile to drive outside of the Frankfurt area? Do you recommend any other clubs other than the Oase, World and Palace. If so please share with me the reason as well. I could do that since I have a rental car with me. Thanks to you in advance for helping a fellow hobbyist prepare for an awesome trip!
Hessen Bub
09-13-10, 08:25
Must visits:
Palace
World
Oase
Can do:
Mainhattan, new small club in FFM with nice facilities and a not to bad line up.
Das fünfte Element in Fulda Eichenzell, nice facilities, great food, line-up may vary.
If you wanna travel go to NRW and visit GoldenTime oder FKK Acapulco, good value for money as entrance is lower and extras are half price compared to Hessen.
Or go to Bruchsal and visit FKK Point, small club with (as I read on German boards) very good line up.
Have run.
HB
Suller Joe
09-15-10, 01:06
Thanks to you in advance for helping a fellow hobbyist prepare for an awesome trip!if you've gone by taxi before, I'd strongly recommend bringing a navigator with all FKKs stored. If the nav is rental, bring lat/longs or map printouts to make it easier to enter locations. Oase and World can be a bit tricky to find.
Make sure you can withdraw enough cash from the card(s) you bring.
Use a cellphone for SMS/call agreements with the girls you want to repeat with.
Don't drive around like crazy. There very little extra that other places than Palace, Oase & World can offer is most likely not worth the effort.
If you find someone you Really like, consider bookings her for 6-8 hours & make her your girlfriends for the day. I do that occasionally & I always love those sessions. I.e. consider not flipping girls like crazy.
You can eat, drink, sleep and fuck there. If I were a billionaire without ego problems (no desire for the world to remember me for my charity work) I would live there.Use the metro and save yourself the taxi; 2-way, the equivalent of an additional session. By the time you get out at 4:00 a.m. (4:30 at the metro), the city will be coming back to life. Forget a hotel (another 1-2 sessions). Find something to do for 5 hours ( check out the city, find a museum) and get back by 10:00 a.m. What a life!
I seem to have lost my first post but here goes again.
I am thinking of visiting the Palace on a flying visit. Can anyone advise what the taxi fare is from Frankfurt Airport to the Club?
I am thinking of staying in the club from around opening to closing and then flying out on day 2. Apart from needing boundless energy are there any problems with doing this?
Will I be able to eat well in the Club?
Hercules78
09-16-10, 04:03
Dear Suller Joe,
Thanks for some new ideas. If I want to make a girl my girlfriend for the evening, how much does she charge for 6-8 hrs. Any ballpark?
London Traveller
09-17-10, 07:11
Use a cellphone for SMS/call agreements with the girls you want to repeat with.Hi SJ,
Thanks for the tips. I was wondering how this one worked. Can you give more details? I'd be very grateful if you could.
So far I have only had communication outside a club with one FKK girl and she gave me her email address - which I had to memorise.
LT
Nille Copenhagen
09-17-10, 08:22
Hi SJ,
Thanks for the tips. I was wondering how this one worked. Can you give more details? I'd be very grateful if you could.
So far I have only had communication outside a club with one FKK girl and she gave me her email address - which I had to memorise.
LTSimple just bring your phone into the room, and ask her number, call her, then she get your number too. Outside the room she would not dare exchanging numbers due to sec. cameras. She could get fired or a fine.
Of cause you have to gain trust from the girls. I have numbers and emails from many girls, they even add me to their FB.
Nille
Simpleminded
09-20-10, 00:53
Hello, everyone,
I will be in Frankfurt to visit the FKK clubs in October. I have been reading the forum and got a lot of great info. I plan on visiting Paradise, World and Oase, although my friend who is familiar with them said I will probably visit World and Paradise once and spend the rest of my trip (5 days) at Oase.
I think I have figured out how to get to World and Oase by train, but since I will be traveling with a friend I am wondering if it will be not much more expensive per person to just take a taxi to both World and Oase?
I plan on staying at a hotel close to the Frankfurt main train terminal but have not picked one yet. If anyone can recommend one I'd appreciate it as it seems there are many to choose from in the $50 to $70 a night range.
For anyone needing directions to World and Oase from Frankfurt main terminal:
Oase: On the S-bahn platform in the lower level platform 103/104, take the S-5 Train to Friedrichsdorf. Then take a taxi for about 10 Euros.
World: Take the RE (regional express) to Giessen (spelled like GieBen). The train is about 13. 5 Euros each way and takes about 40 minutes. Take a taxi
From there for about 20 Euro and 10 minutes.
Check the schedules at www.Bahn.de
I will be there from Oct 15 to 19 so if anybody wants to meet up just pm me.
Suller Joe
09-20-10, 11:06
Hi SJ,
Thanks for the tips. I was wondering how this one worked. Can you give more details? I'd be very grateful if you could.
So far I have only had communication outside a club with one FKK girl and she gave me her email address - which I had to memorise.
LT
Ask the girl for her number. If she wants to give it to you, she will write it down. Some never do. Then just start texting/SMSing.
Obviously: The better chemistry between you, the more generous you are (the longer session you book) - the more likely she'll respect an advance booking.
Suller Joe
09-20-10, 11:39
Dear Suller Joe,
Thanks for some new ideas. If I want to make a girl my girlfriend for the evening, how much does she charge for 6-8 hrs. Any ballpark?
€100/hr, YMMV.
Suller Joe
09-20-10, 11:47
Outside the room she would not dare exchanging numbers due to sec. cameras. She could get fired or a fine.Nah. Several girls have given me their number right at the front desk. They've even borrowed pen & paper there.
Nille Copenhagen
09-20-10, 11:55
Nah. Several girls have given me their number right at the front desk. They've even borrowed pen & paper there.Ok, it depends on which club you are at. But the safest is to ask her number in privacy.
Angus Magee
09-20-10, 12:02
Nah. Several girls have given me their number right at the front desk. They've even borrowed pen & paper there.
Who knows, at Artemis there was a girl who assured me that to give a number or even use a pen & paper in the open bar was a sure firing and banning for her. She did give me her number but used a very elaborate cloak & dagger method to do so.
A couple months later I was talking to a different girl at the bar. I mentioned something (I forget what it was) to which I had info. She then grabbed a piece of papper from the bar tender and borrowed the managers pen (he was at the bar) and had me write it down.
Who knows what the "rules" are. I think the girls do sometimes make them up as the are uncertain about whether or not the wan to give their number and they stall for time.
I would urge caution, but don't take what the girls say too seriously. Ask, if she wants to she will find a way with which she is comfortable. If you are too insistent, she will be less likely to give it out.
Hessen Bub
09-20-10, 13:37
Artemis does have some unique and strange rules, they try to completely isolate girls from customers and want to keep them from meeting customers outside the club as they wanna make cash on the entry on boys & girls.
So they try to prevent the exchange of numbers. Acapulco in Velbert tries the same shit. So just exchange numbers in the room and not in an open area.
@Hercules78: If you book a girl (inside the club) for 6 hours, she should be able to make you a special price that is below 600 EUR. That would be the standard pricing in a Hessen club. Depends on the service you want, your negotiation skills and how handsome you are. ;)
HB
Angus Magee
09-20-10, 20:17
Moved from Travel section:
Is there a 2nd or 3rd choice in Berlin?
I'll be in Berlin soon and hope to sample Artemis, but the higher entry and per sessions costs compared to Hessen clubs begs the question, are there alternatives in Berlin that any of you would recommend?
Not in the same market. That is there are a couple of flat rate clubs which are way, way beneath Artemis' standard. See the Berlin thread, my King George report for a pretty accurate telling of the tale. Or see my blog, www.angusmagee.com for an overview of the whole Berlin scene in 5 parts.
There is also Bel Ami of which little has been written on the forum. It is, as I understand, not such a bad place if you are willing to drop some coin. That is do not show up asking if bbbj is extra and expect to be treated well. Bring your bank roll and losen its' strings. Some guys consider the place a rip off. While I have never been so I can not say for sure, I rather think it is just a place where they want the guys who do not blink at spending 5,6 or even 7 hundred EUR in an evening. Guys who order champagne without looking at the price, at least in an obvious manner.
But as for the FKK style club Artemis is it. Oh unless you count La Folie which is cheaper but is a bar and not really up to Artemis quality.
AM
...But as for the FKK style club Artemis is it...
Hi AM,
any reasons why in Frankfurt we have 4 FKK and in Berlin, not a little city..., only 1 FKK ?
Nille Copenhagen
09-20-10, 20:59
Mark User
If you are adventurous.
Try this club, it not a FKK club, but lots of sex do happen here. Good value for the money.
http://www.insomnia-berlin.de/
Angus Magee
09-20-10, 21:06
Hi AM,
any reasons why in Frankfurt we have 4 FKK and in Berlin, not a little city..., only 1 FKK ?
I can only speculate. There are so many other P4P options in Berlin. Up until a few years back there was not even Artemis. It may also have to do with the city not wanting too many of that sort of businesses. It does surprise me though that there are no other FKK close, like a half hour's drive from Berlin. But I am not sure why this is. There was a second FKK (Club Aphrodite) that had a website and kept threatening to open in Spandau. But that is as far as it went.The place never opened and the web site disappeared. Just as well, it looked lame.
AM
Nille Copenhagen
09-20-10, 21:21
any reasons why in Frankfurt we have 4 FKK and in Berlin, not a little city..., only 1 FKK ?Hi Lukasek,
I think is because Artemis has a size that is big enough for Berlin and the owner of Artemis is a powerful and clever business man - that can ensure "there can only be one" .
Funny thought, Hamburg is a big city as well and there you have several FKK clubs.
Nille
...It may also have to do with the city not wanting too many of that sort of businesses. It does surprise me though that there are no other FKK close, like a half hour's drive from Berlin....
Ok I am happy you found it strange too and yes, I guess it may have to do something with the city.
Who knows, probably the owner of Artemis knows some "good" politics, cause no point there is one FKK but not two.
If it was only a problem that normal people in Berlin do not like FKK, they could easily open one well hidden, for example.
From one point of view one FKK big as Artemis is more than enough, but on the other hands, to have 2 FKK in the same city it is good for us mongers, because it could make them to fight to get more customers, cheaper price, better girls and so on.
One FKK it means, the owner decides the price and take it or leave it.
If it was only a problem that normal people in Berlin do not like FKK, they could easily open one well hidden, for example.
Hi Lukasek, if you're implying that there is only one FKK club in Berlin because the politicians and sex industry businessmen wanted to keep a low profile to avoid backlash from the general population, I am quite sure that is not the case. Artemis is not shy about advertising its existence as many of the big city buses are completely covered with Artemis advertising wraps.
any reasons why in frankfurt we have 4 fkk and in berlin, not a little city..., only 1 fkk ?
i can only speculate. there are so many other p4p options in berlin. up until a few years back there was not even artemis. it may also have to do with the city not wanting too many of that sort of businesses. it does surprise me though that there are no other fkk close, like a half hour's drive from berlin. but i am not sure why this is. am
i'd suggest that there are a number of factors at play here. the 3 rules for opening a new retail business are:
1: location
2: location
3: location
someone thinking of opening up a new fkk has to consider the following:
1. location rule #1: yes, berlin is an important city but it's tam (total available market) is relatively small because;
a) berlin region has a population of about 3.5 million, while the hessen region surrounding frankfurt has 6.5 million
b) there are many other affordable established p4p options while fra has a dearth of other options,
c) while it attracts tourists and government business, it's less important as a commercial center and doesn't have a major international airport, so it attracts fewer international business travellers,
d) berlin is further away from the major population centers of western europe where the expendable income resides and to its east is a relatively economically depressed region.
2. location rule #2:
a) if you think about it, artemis really has the prime location for a club of this type in the city; near the messe, on the west side of the city, large variety of hotels in every range not far away, a number of public transport options nearby, close to major thoroughfares, yet in an unobtrusive non-residential area.
b) any new club that would open would have to compete with a's primo location, established well run business, reputation and loyal customer base, plus the multitude of other p4p businesses rep001tered throughout the city.
3. location rule #3: finding the right facility at the right cost can be a challenge. it would need municipal zoning permits to be able to get building and business licenses. plus they would have to factor into their business plan the capital expenditure for refurbishment, operating expenses for the facility and launch costs such as publicity, licenses etc. whoever it is, would need deep pockets and/or access to other sources of funding which have been very tight the last couple of years.
a couple of years back, i developed a business plan for the opening of a club. i figured, who could be better at this than a regular customer of the fkk club concept? unfortunately, the location that i had in mind, didn't meet the criteria of location, location, location. but that's another story...
then again, maybe lukasek has a point here and it's time to pull that plan out of mothballs. any one have 5 million euro to lend me?
What about Munich, then? Total wasteland in terms of FKK.
BTW, only about 10 years ago Oase was the only real FKK game in FRA. Then Atlantis opened, then FKKW, then Palace, ...
Iseeu: I'm not sure that $5M will do the trick. The interior finish of Paradise alone was 6 million.
Then again, maybe Lukasek has a point here and it's time to pull that plan out of mothballs. Any one have 5 million Euro to lend me?
Ever thought about forming a partnership or organizing your business venture as a Corporation and raising capital thru IPO by selling shares to your fellow ISG members?
...
Then again, maybe Lukasek has a point here and it's time to pull that plan out of mothballs....
No, I do not, I was just curious and I am happy you answered, very interesting to read the 3x location.
Ladies Man69
09-21-10, 13:37
Hi Issieu,
Long time fan of urs are hitting the NRW next Friday and would like 2 capitalize from your vast experience
Reccomendations 2 the best FKK's
Reccomendations for best talents taking into consideration that I like excellent sessions "don't care much about looks, but into GFE and women who interacts not a clockwatcher or upselling women.
N. B: we are 6 guys coming from a long way so your assist would be highly appreciated.
BTW I am not new 2 fkks as I've been 2 at least 5 clubs especially LR which I've been 2 more than 5 times.
Thanks dude,
LM69
Nille Copenhagen
09-22-10, 12:47
Long time fan of urs are hitting the NRW next Friday and would like 2 capitalize from your vast experience.
Reccomendations 2 the best FKK'sIMO, 2 the best Sauna clubs (they are not FKKs) in NRW is VV(Friday and Saturday) and Samya(Friday and Saturday).
Followed up by
Goldentime (daytime)+LR (nighttime)
Brends (best service, less good lineup), PSR, PG, DV.
Nille
Ladies Man69
09-23-10, 17:19
IMO, 2 the best Sauna clubs (they are not FKKs) in NRW is VV(Friday and Saturday) and Samya(Friday and Saturday).
Followed up by
Goldentime (daytime)+LR (nighttime)
Brends (best service, less good lineup), PSR, PG, DV.
NilleSorry to bother you again,
Was just wondering park sauna residence is not the park sauna wildernath? Am I right? If yes I see the facility of psr is excellent? Is it worth a visit even if the lineup not that great on a Sunday evening?
Thanks a million
They are different clubs. I haven't heard anything about wildernath in years. I don't know if it's still in business.
PSR has great facilities and the best food I've had at any of the clubs. With any of the clubs, YMMV. What's great for one person may be the worst for someone else. That said, PSR is probably worth a visit.
Sorry to bother you again,
Was just wondering park sauna residence is not the park sauna wildernath? Am I right? If yes I see the facility of psr is excellent? Is it worth a visit even if the lineup not that great on a Sunday evening?
Thanks a million
The Question
Which are the best clubs in which to enjoy a relaxed “Lazy Sunday” or daytime visit?
Dedication
This guide is written for, and dedicated to, a semi-mythical “Man from Mainz”.
He is based upon a real individual that I have by chance met upon repeated Lazy Sundays: but who serves to characterise a profile of club customer (that includes me); whose primary interest in the clubs is from a daytime, relaxation, “wellness” oriented point of view.
Motivation
I decided to write a coherent set of reports of clubs after an argument about Villa Vertigo with Big30 many moons ago.
In the arguments that raged over VV, the vehemence was fuelled (other than by late night alcohol) by protagonists who considered that the other sides’ arguments bore no relationship to the reality as they perceived it. It became clear to me that: if neither side were the complete naïve idiots as suggested; then we must each have experienced different, parallel, realities.
I decided to research and report upon the best Sauna and FKK clubs for a relaxed, daytime visit, or “Lazy Sunday”
Caveats
As you might have guessed, I did not visit the thirty plus establishments considered in these reports last Sunday. The reports have been compiled over the course of 2010, but take due account of the accumulation of experiences over the last five or so years. The factual descriptions and ratings are an average over time. In some cases the narrative story reflects a single previously unreported visit. In other cases the narrative is a composition of characteristic sessions over time, which may not all have occurred on the same visit.
There are omissions. Many smaller clubs I have visited just do not warrant discussion. There are also some high-profile clubs I am unlikely ever to visit. For the sake of completeness, I would welcome contributions to fill these gaps. Please PM me if you can help. I will edit my entries to include and reflect upon the additions.
I have, of course, also visited most, if not all, of these clubs on weekdays, and more importantly, on week and weekend evenings. I acknowledge, and have felt, the raw buzz and excitement of a Saturday night party at World, GoldenTime and Villa Vertigo, and before these, at YingYang. The issues of substance, and the relative rankings of the clubs at night vary greatly from those during the daytime.
But that story is a story for others to tell.
Have Fun,
PL
Question
Which are the best venues to enjoy a Lazy Sunday?
The series is introduced here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=1083405&postcount=603
I have decided to subdivide the Lazy Sunday series further, and I have introduced the following subcategories.
The Good:
The standard Lazy Sunday reports – for worthwhile indoor oriented visits
Lazy Summer Sunday reports – for those clubs which warrant an extra report to describe a summertime experience
Lazy Sunday Night reports – to describe the night-time atmosphere at a club worthy of an extended visit
The Bad and the Ugly – to report upon clubs which I did not enjoy. These reports will be less titillating, but I think it is important to inform as well as entertain.
Spoofs and Outtakes – amusing incidents, or instances where I consider that a semi-fictional account may prove entertaining, or may communicate some essential truths better than a strictly fact based account.
Reports in other threads
There are a fair number of reports within the Lazy Sunday Series which are not strictly appropriate for the German FKK thread. Some are FKK reports for adjacent countries (NL, A, CH) and others are reports upon pauschalclubs and partytreffs. In these cases I shall post a brief introduction and link in the “Other FKKs” thread, but will post the full reports in the most appropriate place.
Back to work!
Have Fun,
PL
Basketcase
11-13-10, 11:20
This is a cross post from the FKK World thread since I believe that this opinion has general application across the board.
There have been many times when I have heard the comment that a hooker is stressedand you wonder why. Only after being in the hobby for a while you can understand the different classes or pressure that a hooker works under.
There is stress in all jobs of some sort.
They all smoke (I hardly saw a non smoker) and so they are mostly in the main bar as that's the only smoking area of the FKK. I asked one of the girls why she smoked and her response was, everyone does here so she started. Also it was funny, she says it's because she's stressed. So I asked her further, what kind of stress does she have. She says that she gets stressed thinking about how many "guests", she meant customers, she will have in that day and so she gets stressed. I was laughing inside, thinking what an interesting way to get stressed, coming to a FKK, sitting at the bar, getting fucked by men and getting paid for it, and getting stressed, what else do cigarette companies want!
Hercules78,
This is just a proposition but based on observations and many conversations had with "working girls" during my mongering hobby.
Girls do not readily go into this job as their first career choice. There is usually some push or pull factor that made them end up in this job. Whether its the girl friend that introduces them to the business to the girls that have been kidnapped and forced into servitude to work off their "debt" or abstandgeld (distance money) to let their pimp to release them.
Some girls will be working for to make money for their family or to pay off a debt that they incurred due to some mishap in life. One of the girl I do regularly who is a firm favourite always said to me that when she earns a euro then her family has a euro which she shares with her mother and brother. It seems that she is the primary breadwinner in their family sending money home.
Some girls are their to make enough money to set themselves up in life. Either to buy property or buy a business. If you trawl through the various threads you see the odd thro away comment where a reporter has mentioned the back story of girls doing this.
I have rarely if ever heard of girls fucking to make capital to invest in stocks and shares. The usual story is to buy investment flats for their pension and a nice house for themselves.
So these girls have targets and real life people that they need to support. So you can begin to see if you have an objective and it is not coming up trumps earning your minimum expected return a day that it can be stressful. The hookers' income is variable. Some days the girl may walk out with no customers and 65€ in expenses - we will not go into accommodation and other living costs since we all pay those too, but think about that too.
Then there are the girls that have a manager or boyfriend or a pimp. The girls get set targets to make and bounties or abstandgelds to fulfil. If the girl is not making enough money maybe she gets a "lesson" and she does not come into work for a few days. It is interesting that when you become a regular you get that comment instead of "oh, she is on holiday, she will be back next week."
The targets set by the managers or pimps will be stress for the girls due to the consequences if they are not met.
The pimp comments can be interesting. I think I may have discussed this before.
When the pimp picks his girl or girls up the pimp may enquire, "so how did you do today baby?"
Hooker says, "not too good, I only had 2 guests today and they only paid me 50€ each. I only have 35 euro after paying the entrance fee." Now it may be even less since she probably has been smoking all day too since she is stressed so deduct off some packs of cigarettes too.
Pimp replies, "That is no good, baby, how are we going to pay for our living if you do not make money? What are you going to do about it?"
It is subtle mind games, words and their connatations that these pimps or bad boyfriends perform. It may sound totally reasonable and innocent this line of conversation but from this you can see that this girl may be intimating that she is not working hard enough per her pimp's standards and the manager is putting subtle pressure on her to work harder or make her think she needs to offer more to make more money. You really think girls in general love guys pumping semen into their mouths and having some strange guy with a huge dick fuck them in their ass? Some may do.
Then there are the pimps who have their watcher that observes the girls in the club and sometimes keeps a tab on their activities when out of the club. A minder so to speak. The observer can report back on how the girls are doing to their handlers.
I think at one time the World monthly pass was nick named the "pimp pass" since it allowed entry to World every day and the card holder got bottles of wine or champagne. So that guy with the bottle of white wine or champagne may be that observer guy. As far as I know, World is the only Hesse club that has a monthly pass.
One can get the vibe that there is more of this going on than other clubs. Maybe it is a perception thing. One of my mongering friends keeps telling me he feels this hooker management element more at World than any other club. Maybe it is worse elsewhere. It is just what I feel and my mongering friend feels.
So you can see that this pressure can cause the girl stress. Her referencing that she is wondering how many guests she will have indicates to me that she has some target to make whether its her own or imposed by someone else.
Nille Copenhagen
11-13-10, 12:49
There is stress in all jobs of some sort.Well said Basketcase, your explanation was quite good.
I've also discuss the stress-factor many times with the girls. I know they don't do prostitution for fun, I always tried to convince the girls to quit smoking and I got the same explanation that's because of stress.
We might think their job is just fun: Sitting & chatting, chill out, fucking all day long.
The worst thing for the girls is the waiting. Killing time. They can not just read a book or surfing or listening to Ipod, as they have to be "on" to get the guys attention. Also the club policy is that the girls are at work not on vacation.
As you said the girls have a target either by themselves or by pimps.
Some girls at let's say Oase has a target of min. 700€ a shift, it's not going to happen everyday though. I asked her what she spend her money on, she said paying her nice flat and her nice car (BMW) and saving up for bad time. So she was happy, I've spend 200€ on her that day.
So guys threat the girls well, we might have a lot of fun fucking, but is not always fun for the girls.
Nille
Some girls are their to make enough money to set themselves up in life. Either to buy property or buy a business.I am always happy when I hear this one. If you show interest and ask her questions, you can soon tell whether she is telling the truth or bullshitting. If you get the impression that this girl knows what she is talking about, the fact that she has a concrete aim usually means she has thought it all through and will be well motivated in the room. Half the rent, as the Germans say.
Hessen Bub
11-14-10, 00:12
I am always happy when I hear this one. If you show interest and ask her questions, you can soon tell whether she is telling the truth or bullshitting. If you get the impression that this girl knows what she is talking about, the fact that she has a concrete aim usually means she has thought it all through and will be well motivated in the room. [b]Half the rent, as the Germans say.[(b]
Yes, that's good to hear, that a girl does do the job with a certain goal, a limited time frame, to do something with her life afterwards. But that's rarely 10% of the girls.
HB
I am going to go to oase and palace on February 11, 2011.
However, a hotel is very high so that AMBIENTE2011 is held on that day.
Please show the good hotel near by OASE and Palace.
Nille Copenhagen
01-01-11, 19:54
Happy new year everyone.
A friend of mine is looking for a FKK that offer S / M, bondage service, please advise if you know, thanks.
Nille
Basketcase
01-01-11, 21:10
I am going to go to oase and palace on February 11, 2011.
However, a hotel is very high so that AMBIENTE2011 is held on that day.
Please show the good hotel near by OASE and Palace. Try these websites my man:
www.otel.com
www.hrs.com
www.booking.com
A hotel that is very close to the Palace is Flemings.
Enjoy.
Basketcase
01-01-11, 21:13
Happy new year everyone.
A friend of mine is looking for a FKK that offer S / M, bondage service, please advise if you know, thanks.
NilleTry Oase. With the unhygenic and unclean rooms, the foul toliets, the awful smell in the men's locker room, the unpalatable food and the long waits for drinks at the bar, I think for some that one has arrived at hell on earth. Make him stay there all day and cannot touch the girls. Is that S&M and bondage enough for the man? It only cost 65€ entry.
Happy new year everyone.
A friend of mine is looking for a FKK that offer S / M, bondage service, please advise if you know, thanks.
NilleIf he can get there, he could try FKK Club Palace in Gisikon / Root near Luzern, CH. They have one of the session rooms fully equipped as a dungeon. I don't now how you tell which girls do this service though, though there are a few that look as though they might whip you into shape.
Otherwise Germany has many good studios, which are not always hard-core, and may combine SM sessions with normal sessions. Voegels Nest aka Heaven And Hell in Karlsuhe is worth a try.
Have Fun (ouch!)
PL
Happy new year everyone.
A friend of mine is looking for a FKK that offer S / M, bondage service, please advise if you know, thanks.
NilleThinking a little more about it, I think your friend should broaden his options. My reply earlier referred specifically to one of the few full FKK's with a good lineup and with a fully equipped dungeon.
If your friend wishes just to mix vanilla sex with some lightweight SM there are many options at smaller clubs, bordellos and PTs.
The range of options is too numerous to list, and includes many well known Pauschalclubs, PTs and bordellos.
If you want more assistance, PM me, and tell me which areas your friend can easily visit.
PL
Hi,
I will be in Munich beginning February with some 2 others and would like some help as to how the clubs operate, how safe it is etc, good clubs?
Thanks
Hessen Bub
01-15-11, 19:00
I will be in Munich beginning February with some 2 others and would like some help as to how the clubs operate, how safe it is etc, good clubs? All the FKK clubs are safe. But there's not really a good one in Munich.
You could try http://www.fkk-relax.de, a smaller club, never been there, reports are rare, but it shouldn't be a rip off.
Or take a short drive to either www.fkk-hawaii.de In Ingolstadt or to www.fkk-colosseum.de In Augsburg.
HB
Hi,
Before I was bashed as I have read all info in forum and going thru tons of pages.
I am excited that I be heading to Frankfurt and Germany for the first time my life for the mess, I am so excited and planning to head to Fkk for the first time alone during dec 2nd to 4th. After hearing from everyone it would be best to check out.
1) Oase.
2) world.
3) Palace.
I was wondering if I have no German, do you think I can survive there? As I'm heading there Alone.
One more thing if I leaving Oase at let's say midnight would there be any public transport back to Frankfurt? Since I'm speaking no German, I was debating whether should I rent a car.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated
Goodtime Man
01-24-11, 19:31
Hi,
Before I was bashed as I have read all info in forum and going thru tons of pages.
I am excited that I be heading to Frankfurt and Germany for the first time my life for the mess, I am so excited and planning to head to Fkk for the first time alone during dec 2nd to 4th. After hearing from everyone it would be best to check out.
1) Oase.
2) world.
3) Palace.
I was wondering if I have no German, do you think I can survive there? As I'm heading there Alone.
One more thing if I leaving Oase at let's say midnight would there be any public transport back to Frankfurt? Since I'm speaking no German, I was debating whether should I rent a car.
Any insight would be greatly appreciatedYou will be fine without German language skills. The Palace is quite convenient to downtown Frankfurt both by tram and by taxi.
Hessen Bub
01-24-11, 21:41
I was wondering if I have no German, do you think I can survive there? As I'm heading there Alone.
One more thing if I leaving Oase at let's say midnight would there be any public transport back to Frankfurt? Since I'm speaking no German, I was debating whether should I rent a car.
A lot of the girls do also not speak German. English is fine and sufficient. Most Italians invanding our FKK clubs do only speak Italian.
Take a cab back from Oase, it! S easy. No need to rent a car for Oase.
HB
When you are in the FKK club can you ask a girl to come to your hotel at after ours?
If so then how much did they charge you?
Angus Magee
01-25-11, 17:39
When you are in the FKK club can you ask a girl to come to your hotel at after ours?
If so then how much did they charge you? What to say. There are various stories of it happening but it would not be easy or cheap. The girl would either have to like you, or be paid handsomely. Either way it is not a particularly common occurrence. They work at a club (as opposed to escort) for a reason.
AM
Hessen Bub
01-26-11, 18:53
When you are in the FKK club can you ask a girl to come to your hotel at after ours?
If so then how much did they charge you? Don't try that at Artemis, girls will get into trouble if meeting a client outside.
I've taken a few girls "out", no charge, one night, two nights, a few days.
HB
Most Italians invanding our FKK clubs do only speak Italian.
HBTotally true and sad. Ahahaha.
I wil add that also the ones that don't go to FKK's usually only speak italian.
As a consequence, many girls speak italian.
Ciao
Angus Magee
01-26-11, 20:45
Don't try that at Artemis, girls will get into trouble if meeting a client outside.
This is very true. Artemis has a very strict rule against this. I will not say it is impossible :)
But almost.
AM
This is very true. Artemis has a very strict rule against this. I will not say it is impossible.
But almost.
AMI understand it's against the rules at Bernds also.
I understand it's against the rules at Bernds also.Not absolutely.
Eg, Katja does occasional escorting in her private time.
VG.
Hessen Bub
01-27-11, 07:51
I never took a girl directly out from the club the day she was working. After a few sessions, when you know each other well enough that she does trust (and like) you, take her number, meet her outside, take her to a hotel, spa, a short trip to whereever, no money involved. Perfect.
HB
PriceFisher
02-06-11, 21:51
Dear All,
The important thing is not to stop questioning.
I will be spending quite some time in Germany with nothing else to do. Would you please help me with my plans?
1. Are there any days of the week that are especially bad (bad meaning poor selection at FKKs?)
2. Are there any times of the week that are especially bad (bad meaning poor selection at FKKs?)
3. Is there a good independent escorts website? I'm looking for the 120-160 EUR price range.
4. I am looking primarily for younger (18-22). Is my best shot a particular FKK, RLD or indy? I see a place called Teenyland, any good?
Finally: If I could make a 2-3 day trip to a nearby country, which is second best to Germany?
HungryStud101
02-07-11, 13:05
I have 2 questions. What constitutes the acceptance of a session? When does the time for the session start? The first I think I have decent feel for the second is a real grey area for me.
Does Kino or any couch time role over into room time?
1. Are there any days of the week that are especially bad (bad meaning poor selection at FKKs?)Generally Thursday- Saturday have the best selection and Monday - Wednesday the slimmest pickings. Then again, the weekends also attract a big crowd of men, so there may be better F / M ratios, more relaxed and improved possibilites for extra play midweek. Some will prefer the latter over a large selection. You decide.
2. Are there any times of the week that are especially bad (bad meaning poor selection at FKKs?) Early morning are rarely good (10- 12 am). Evenings always hold a larger selection than daytime and nightime. Again, this is not the same as good F / M ratios (see above).
3. Is there a good independent escorts website? I'm looking for the 120-160 EUR price range. I have no idea. But why pay 160E / hour picking a girl you remotely know from a photo on a website when you can mingle with the girls all day taking your time for a good pick at 100E / hour at the FKKs?
4. I am looking primarily for younger (18-22). Is my best shot a particular FKK, RLD or indy? I see a place called Teenyland, any good?I have little experience with RLD and indy's so I can't really say. My suggestion is to pick one of the larger FKK's for a good selection of girls.
Finally: If I could make a 2-3 day trip to a nearby country, which is second best to Germany?My suggestion would be Spain, but Amsterdam / Holland is closer. Czech, Poland and Switzerland also have their fans.
I have 2 questions. What constitutes the acceptance of a session? When does the time for the session start? The first I think I have decent feel for the second is a real grey area for me.
Does Kino or any couch time role over into room time? You accept a session by saying "yes" to the girl's invitation or permit her to put her lips around your dick.
The clock normally starts when you enter the room with the girl - except when there has been BBBJ or other "serious action" during kino or couch time. It is then entirely up to the girl if she would charge you for the kino / couch time or let you have this for free. YMMV.
More on the subject here http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1867-FKK-Palace-Frankfurt&p=851603&viewfull=1#post851603 and here http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1867-FKK-Palace-Frankfurt&p=851766&viewfull=1#post851766
Angus Magee
02-07-11, 18:53
I have 2 questions. What constitutes the acceptance of a session? When does the time for the session start? The first I think I have decent feel for the second is a real grey area for me.
Does Kino or any couch time role over into room time? This is indeed a grey area. All I can tell you in my own personal code which has only failed me once (long ugly story)
For me acceptance of a session is usually verbal but on occasion it begins when the girl goes to kiss me and I respond. For me my response is a non verbal acceptance. That is, were I then to back out I would expect trouble.
When the session starts is even ore of a grey area in my experience. I have actually never had couch time included in the session time. The sessions have always started when we start in the room. But then I never push this. My own personal feeling is that when I am straight with the girls (I do not try to extract as much as I can for the money I pay) they are straight with me. Keep in mind that I put a fair amount of faith in the selection process. By this I mean that before I consider the room I either like and get along with a girl, or am clear with myself that I am just going for an "opti-fuck". If the latter is the case I do not really expect to get a full and long half hour and usually I do not. When the former is the case the girl is usually pretty relaxed about the time. I make clear that I wish a half hour or hour, which ever the case may be, and let the session run its' course. As I say, this had never really steered me wrong.
As Shark says below-this is always very much YMMV
AM
PriceFisher
02-08-11, 16:55
First, thank you for all of the information. It is very helpful.
As for why to choose escorts:
1. More variety. I am spending enough time there that I'd rather not try same girl more than once.
2. FKKs seem / sound a little less private than a hotel room. I will probably want to change things up again and get a visitors to my place.
3. Individual escorts usually have more reviews than girls performing in FKKs.
Generally Thursday- Saturday have the best selection and Monday. Wednesday the slimmest pickings. Then again, the weekends also attract a big crowd of men, so there may be better F / M ratios, more relaxed and improved possibilites for extra play midweek. Some will prefer the latter over a large selection. You decide.
Early morning are rarely good (10- 12 am). Evenings always hold a larger selection than daytime and nightime. Again, this is not the same as good F / M ratios (see above).
I have no idea. But why pay 160E / hour picking a girl you remotely know from a photo on a website when you can mingle with the girls all day taking your time for a good pick at 100E / hour at the FKKs?
I have little experience with RLD and indy's so I can't really say. My suggestion is to pick one of the larger FKK's for a good selection of girls.
My suggestion would be Spain, but Amsterdam / Holland is closer. Czech, Poland and Switzerland also have their fans.
First, thank you for all of the information. It is very helpful.
As for why to choose escorts:
1. More variety. I am spending enough time there that I'd rather not try same girl more than once.
2. FKKs seem / sound a little less private than a hotel room. I will probably want to change things up again and get a visitors to my place.
3. Individual escorts usually have more reviews than girls performing in FKKs. Hey PF,
I kind of sense that the escort scene is your comfort zone, and if you are content with it, so by all means continue with what feels comfortable. But I cannot agree with everything you are saying about the FKKs:
1. Variety.
A small FKK will have 15- 20 girls, while a larger will have 40- 80 girls present at peak times (sometimes more). Just take a look at some of Basketcase's excellent roster reports. In the Frankfurt/Hessen area alone there are 7- 8 FKK clubs with 200- 400 girls working every day. Can the escort scene compete with that? While the Romanian / Bulgarian girls may seem predominant in certain FKK's (but also in the escort scene I presume) , at least the larger clubs will have a great variety of girls in all shapes, etnicity, age, personality and more. Absolutely no need to go with the same girl more than once, trust me!
2. Privacy.
In a FKK all girls will be either (I) SPs or (ii) staff. All the guys will be (I) mongerers or (ii) staff. The entrance fee make sure that no "outsiders" will be let in. Once inside, we are all in the same boat with our intentions. It is a very relaxed atmosphere. Noone asks for ID, and you can pick any barname you like. To me that's all the privacy I need.
If your concern is public sex, then please be aware that all FKK's have rooms (zimmer) with doors do be locked, and most of the sex take place within this privacy. Public sex is only available for those who seeks this opportunity, and for the most part it takes place in the kino. I would not worry too much about it. Even the shyest person adapt very quickly into this relaxed and liberal community.
3. Girl reviews.
While I to a certain extent can understand the need for girl reviews for the escort scene where you pick a girl from an (old and maybe manipulated) photo on a website or a brief physical meeting, I have a problem fully understanding the same need in a FKK. Why would you trust another guy's review on a girl when you can observe a girl for hours at a FKK (how she looks - yes, clothes are forbidden in a FKK - and interacts with other girls and guys) and doing coach interviews (one on one, asking about her services, maybe even have a little bit of taste) before you are making up your own mind? Remember; your dick is your best friend. Trust him in stead of others, I'd say. Well, a little bit of sensibility and gut feeling to the game would be good, too. ;)
Any particular service you are looking for? In a FKK BBBJ / DFK / DATY is mandatory and included in the standard fee in most clubs, while you will be surprised how many are willing to offer CIM or Anal for an additional fee.
By all means, I am not saying you should quit the escort scene it that is what makes you happy. But I think your perception of the FKK's is not exactly accurate. Please give it a try.
And please report. :)
First, thank you for all of the information. It is very helpful.
As for why to choose escorts:
1. More variety. I am spending enough time there that I'd rather not try same girl more than once.
2. FKKs seem / sound a little less private than a hotel room. I will probably want to change things up again and get a visitors to my place.
3. Individual escorts usually have more reviews than girls performing in FKKs. Buddy... You are sounding extremely nieve and wet behind the ears with these comments you are making. Sure visiting with an escort (or having an escort visit you!) is a completely different experience (some would say lesser, less fun and more limiting experience) compared with what can be enjoyed in an FKK or Sauna Club.
Rather than spend an hour or two with an escort, some would spend an entire day in an FKK/Sauna club with one, two or several women. Unfortunately you sound like you think you know what you are talking about, and that you have already made up your mind. So be it and the loss is to you alone. Best thing to do is man up and visit one of the bigger FKKs. World, Oase, Palace or Artemis would be ideal for a first visit, any day from Thursday to Sunday (best days are Friday or Saturday). Seeing is believing. Either visit on your own or team up with a few like minded friends. Live a little and have a blast.
CD
Going to Germany and sticking to escorts would be like visiting
Bordeaux France and drinking only beer. There are great escorts.
All over the world, but there is nothing to equal the
German FKKs anywhere.
TE=PriceFisher; 1121099]First, thank you for all of the information. It is very helpful.
As for why to choose escorts:
1. More variety. I am spending enough time there that I'd rather not try same girl more than once.
2. FKKs seem / sound a little less private than a hotel room. I will probably want to change things up again and get a visitors to my place.
3. Individual escorts usually have more reviews than girls performing in FKKs. [/QUOTE]
PriceFisher
02-09-11, 00:56
Again, thank you to everyone for the information.
If I do sound naive and "wet behind the ears" it is because I am. I have never been to an FKK, and my experience is solely with escorts (and American strip clubs).
My opinions of FKKs come from interpreting forums like this, and it sounds as if some of my preconceived notions are inaccurate. That is only good news for me.
I only just learned about FKKs (4 weeks ago or so) and it sounded fun enough for me to book a 7 day vacation solely to do that! As I kept reading I thought it would make sense to have a plan B if the FKK thing didn't work out.
Plan B is escorts, Plan C is a potential trip to a nearby country like CR or Hungary.
That being said, I would have wine in Bordeaux, but after a barrel of it, I would consider a beer. Absolutely.
As for what I am specifically looking for: legally younh. Where I live, younger escorts are hard to find, they usually say they are 25, but they are closer to 30.
And yes, I will provide as many reviews as I can.
HungryStud101
02-09-11, 05:57
Again, thank you to everyone for the information.
If I do sound naive and "wet behind the ears" it is because I am. I have never been to an FKK, and my experience is solely with escorts (and American strip clubs).
My opinions of FKKs come from interpreting forums like this, and it sounds as if some of my preconceived notions are inaccurate. That is only good news for me.
I only just learned about FKKs (4 weeks ago or so) and it sounded fun enough for me to book a 7 day vacation solely to do that! As I kept reading I thought it would make sense to have a plan B if the FKK thing didn't work out.
Plan B is escorts, Plan C is a potential trip to a nearby country like CR or Hungary.
That being said, I would have wine in Bordeaux, but after a barrel of it, I would consider a beer. Absolutely.
As for what I am specifically looking for: legally younh. Where I live, younger escorts are hard to find, they usually say they are 25, but they are closer to 30.
And yes, I will provide as many reviews as I can.I recently visited my first FKK and it was the best hobbying experience of my life! I can't wait to go back. I did a 19YO and two 21 YO. 24 YO. 25 YO and a 30 YO. There are all sorts of girls hotter than hell. About 85% are fuckable. I am in love with the concept.
Angus Magee
02-09-11, 14:33
And yes, I will provide as many reviews as I can.I personally think you will be blown away by the FKK environment. There is such variety that you can not imagine. You will find youthful girls (realistically 20 or 21 is about the youngest though-as it should be in my opinion. 18 is just to damn young for pay sex) as well as the more experienced mid to late twenties and beyond.
I do not know the escort scene all over Germany but I Berlin I think I have a pretty good handle on it. (see my blog) My own theory is that the escort scene sucks because the FKK scene is so damn good. The girls who escort are often working for way less (not always) and are subsequently less likely to feel good. An FKK girl, if she is smart, makes a decent living and can have fun. That said, you the have to work for it a bit and realize that a big FKK can be a wee intimidating at first. My advice is to read the forum, get an idea of what it will be like then jump on in. You may well make a mistake or two but I think you will have way more fun than with an escort.
For your purposes I would recommend Oase as a good place to go. The line up is pretty good and there are plenty of early twenty young lovlies to keep you busy.
Again, thank you to everyone for the information.
If I do sound naive and "wet behind the ears" it is because I am. I have never been to an FKK, and my experience is solely with escorts (and American strip clubs).
My opinions of FKKs come from interpreting forums like this, and it sounds as if some of my preconceived notions are inaccurate. That is only good news for me. Ok PriceFisher, your explanation is straightforward and reasonable. At least we now know that you are prepared to reconsider your opinions on the matter of FKK vs Escorts. I know that you will be pleasantly surprised when you visit your first FKK. Do choose one of the bigger and better clubs to visit initially and also try to visit at the weekend (Thursday to Sunday inclusive) as these are the busier (particularly Friday and Saturday) days in any club.
Angus is absolutely correct in recommending FKK Oase to you as the first club that you should visit. This club is busier than most whatever day of the week that you visit and should give you a reasonably good impression of the FKK experience.
Other than FKK Oase, you should also consider visits to World, Mainhattan, and dare I say Palace, all not too far from FKK Oase and all in the Frankfurt (Hessen) area.
Nearer to Dusseldorf (NRW), you should consider visiting clubs like FKK GoldenTime and also LivingRoom, Planet Happy Garden and VillaVertigo.
Saying that, I would advise sticking to clubs in the Frankfurt area, at least for your initial FKK experiences.
Depending on whether you like to hunt alone or in company, you should possibly consider signing up for full membership of ISG as this will only cost you $19 (I sound like I am getting a commission from our esteemed Jackson) and as a fully paid up member you will have access to the ISG mail system.
You can then ask questions directly of other ISG Members without having to post in the public forum. Please feel free to pm me with any questions should you decide to sign up for full ISG Membership. You might also consider teaming up with other ISG Members who are also planning trips to FKK-Land. Many ISG members from North Americans (or from the English speaking world) would be happy to meet up with you in the clubs. Again this depends on whether or not you wish to hunt in a solitary fashion or not. I normally travel with a crew of 3 or 4 guys (all ISG Members) and when we visit a club we normally stay for 10 or more hours. We share travel expenses (car hire etc) and good to have a few buddies to chat to during down time in the clubs. The ISG mail system is a good method of making initial contacts. It worked for me and I am sure it will work for you too (if you want).
Anyway, best of luck with your future adventures, and do feel free to get in contact with any questions etc.
CD
Euroknight
02-19-11, 00:43
After having read the reports in this section (and particularly all the do- and do-not) , I am now very convinced of trying the FKK clubs, and I would be very grateful if you experienced fellows could you give me an advice about where to start.
I live since 2 weeks in Mannheim and I have no car, so I have two main questions:
1) Which is the most recommended place near my present location for a first-time experience? Some recommend Oase for a first-time experience: what is the main reason to prefer a very large one to a small? The probability of having a wider selection and a higher quality is higher in a larger one? Staff is more friendly?
2) Can Oase be easily reached by train+taxi? Or it is better anyhow to rent a car? In the latter case, any advice about cheap car renting?
Thanks in advance!
I have previously mongered in Warsaw, relying only on escorts on outcall. But now I am living here in Germany, and I learned only from here about FKK clubs. Thus, your advice will be really precious. I will be happy to report immediately after my first experience!
EK
Stabilo Boss
02-19-11, 10:44
Hi,
Did anyone know something about this club?
It will be on my way next week and I would like to know if I should plan a stop over.
Thanks,
Boss
Stabilo Boss
02-23-11, 18:16
Hi guys,
At the end, I've been to this Fkk, not bad, but nothing enthusiastic.
I'll wrote soon a recap in the other Fkk page.
Bye.
Boss
Euroknight
02-24-11, 21:14
I hope that some fellow monger will provide some good advice to a poor newbie of FKK, who would like to get his first experience this weekend.
So, here is one more question: would Sunday be a good choice for a first-timer? I am specficially thinking about Paradise or Safari in Stuttgart.
Any good suggestions?
I have read long the reports here, and I must admit that I look forward this experience: I especially like the idea of relaxing and having so many girls around, and then moving towards action without the push that the clock puts by necessity when you date an escort. I will post a report in te appropriate section, for the benefit of all of us (I hope).
Buddy. Why are you picking one of the least reported on clubs for a first time FKK experience?
Safari is a nothing club. At least Paradise is well known but can be a little bit sharkey for a first timer.
Plus there is a tendency in the more southern FKKs particularly nearer to Munich but to a certain extent also in Stuttgart for the hookers to expect the purchase of expensive bottles of cheap fizzy plonk (wine!).
This purchase is not mandatory, but if you are not used to the scene and how things work, a possible unnecessary expense.
Word to the wise, select one of the bigger Frankfurt (or Hessen) clubs for an initial experience.
FKK Oase would be good but also FKK World could be ok for a first time visit.
At least pick one of the more reported on clubs in this forum!
They are reported on a lot becasue they are good!
CD
I hope that some fellow monger will provide some good advice to a poor newbie of FKK, who would like to get his first experience this weekend.
So, here is one more question: would Sunday be a good choice for a first-timer? I am specficially thinking about Paradise or Safari in Stuttgart.
Any good suggestions?
I have read long the reports here, and I must admit that I look forward this experience: I especially like the idea of relaxing and having so many girls around, and then moving towards action without the push that the clock puts by necessity when you date an escort. I will post a report in te appropriate section, for the benefit of all of us (I hope).
After having read the reports in this section (and particularly all the do- and do-not) , I am now very convinced of trying the FKK clubs, and I would be very grateful if you experienced fellows could you give me an advice about where to start.
I live since 2 weeks in Mannheim and I have no car, so I have two main questions:
1) Which is the most recommended place near my present location for a first-time experience? Some recommend Oase for a first-time experience: what is the main reason to prefer a very large one to a small? The probability of having a wider selection and a higher quality is higher in a larger one? Staff is more friendly?
2) Can Oase be easily reached by train+taxi? Or it is better anyhow to rent a car? In the latter case, any advice about cheap car renting?
Thanks in advance!
I have previously mongered in Warsaw, relying only on escorts on outcall. But now I am living here in Germany, and I learned only from here about FKK clubs. Thus, your advice will be really precious. I will be happy to report immediately after my first experience!
EKGetting to Oase from Frankfurt Hauptbahnhoff is pretty easy: Go downstairs, and take S5 to Friedrichsdorf (roughly 20 min.). From the station in Friedrichsdorf, you'll find taxis with signs on top advertising Oase. The ride will take about 10 minutes, and for your return, the receptionists will telephone for a taxi.
If you go late at night, consider staying in the Mercure Hotel in Friedrichsdorf because the last trains to Frankfurt leave at something like 01H 00. The hotel is roughly a 10-minute walk from the station in Friedrischdorf.
Euroknight
02-25-11, 08:59
Buddy. Why are you picking one of the least reported on clubs for a first time FKK experience? (.)
Word to the wise, select one of the bigger Frankfurt (or Hessen) clubs for an initial experience. (.)
At least pick one of the more reported on clubs in this forum! (.)
They are reported on a lot becasue they are good!
CD Thank you CD! You convinced me, for some stupid reasons I thought that Stuttgart is nearer than Frankfurt from where I live since a couple of weeks (Mannheim). But in fact they are almost the same distance.
However, I will go there on Sunday, around 3-4pm. I have not yet decided whether Oase or Palace or World. For sure, I will post a report in the appropriate section with the title "My first-time in FKK: <name of the place ".
Thanks also to Gropelli for the directions: time is precious for a newbie.
Have a nice and "relaxing" Sunday, CD and all of you mongers!
EK
Thank you CD! You convinced me, for some stupid reasons I thought that Stuttgart is nearer than Frankfurt from where I live since a couple of weeks (Mannheim). But in fact they are almost the same distance.If that's the case, forget about Stuttgart. The two areas can't even be compared IMO.
Have fun!
Ciao
Vito Corleone
02-26-11, 00:37
getting to oase from frankfurt hauptbahnhoff is pretty easy: go downstairs, and take s5 to friedrichsdorf (roughly 20 min.). from the station in friedrichsdorf, you'll find taxis with signs on top advertising oase. the ride will take about 10 minutes, and for your return, the receptionists will telephone for a taxi.
if you go late at night, consider staying in the mercure hotel in friedrichsdorf because the last trains to frankfurt leave at something like 01h 00.the first train out to frankfurt leaves around 4:30am.
Hessen Bub
02-26-11, 17:52
[font=tahoma]Safari is a nothing club. At least Paradise is well known but can be a little bit sharkey for a first timer.
Plus there is a tendency in the more southern FKKs particularly nearer to Munich but to a certain extent also in Stuttgart for the hookers to expect the purchase of expensive bottles of cheap fizzy plonk (wine!).
This purchase is not mandatory, but if you are not used to the scene and how things work, a possible unnecessary expense. Paradise is OK, also for a newbie. There's quite a few very good girls there. And don't worry, the majority of the girls will not expect you to buy them alcohol. If you want to share a glass of wine with a girl. It's not that expensive. But forget about Safari.
HB
Hello,
I have a week to kill, and I've decided to lose my FKK cherry. I would like some advice on which city in Germany I should choose. Any city is fine for me, as I have nothing else on my schedule. As I will be mongering as well as sight-seeing though, I want a city in which there are things to see and experience, other than the FKK clubs.
With that in mind, I am also looking for the best area of the city in which to stay. Any and all suggestions are welcome. Oh, and by the way, I would also like to spend at least some time with some famous german porn star (s) , so that is another consideration. Websites that promote such pornstars are welcome as well.
Hi,
I'm going to frankfurt for a weekend and I would like to visit oase and palace, the point is that I look quite young and I believe lots of sharks will try to approach me, any advice for detecting and avoid them?
Hello,
I have a week to kill, and I've decided to lose my FKK cherry. I would like some advice on which city in Germany I should choose. Any city is fine for me, as I have nothing else on my schedule. As I will be mongering as well as sight-seeing though, I want a city in which there are things to see and experience, other than the FKK clubs.
With that in mind, I am also looking for the best area of the city in which to stay. Any and all suggestions are welcome. Oh, and by the way, I would also like to spend at least some time with some famous german porn star (s) , so that is another consideration. Websites that promote such pornstars are welcome as well. All of the following, IHHO.
Definitely go BERLIN!
- Artemis is a better place if it's your first FKK experience, less chances of being sharked, girls "normally" stick more to the "rules" than in places like Palace. Just follow th eguidelines or tips&tricks that have been posted lots of times and you will have a great time.
- There's plenty of other sex related things to do, brothels etc.
- In Berlin there's so much to see. The obvius alternative would be Frankfurt (Palace, Oase, Mainhattan) but the city sucks.
- Say in the forum when you will go and you might arrange to meet up with other people in the clubs. That might be useful.
- In Berlin I usually stay in the Mitte (central) area. From there you are very close to a lot of sightseeing places. I usually take very long walks around, beautiful.
HTH.
Ciao
I hope that some fellow monger will provide some good advice to a poor newbie of FKK, who would like to get his first experience this weekend.
So, here is one more question: would Sunday be a good choice for a first-timer? I am specficially thinking about Paradise or Safari in Stuttgart.
Any good suggestions?
I have read long the reports here, and I must admit that I look forward this experience: I especially like the idea of relaxing and having so many girls around, and then moving towards action without the push that the clock puts by necessity when you date an escort. I will post a report in te appropriate section, for the benefit of all of us (I hope). If this is Stuttgart where you have to go, then I might suggest Paradise. A big club with nice wellness facilities enables you to relax, and there should be more girls then Safari / Felbach.
Hessen Bub
03-04-11, 20:54
I'd prefer Paradise, Safari (former FKK-Haus) isn't really an alternative, it's a worn down place with little good reports on German boards. Line-up at Paradise may vary and they do now charge 79-€ entrance, but the club is nice, big, clean.
HB
Yes, I agree, Paradise is a very good choice. Also excellent is Sakura in Böblingen, which is close to Stuttgart.
In the past I have been to Frankfurt 3 times & managed to mostly avoid the Messes by using:
http://frankfurt-interaktiv.de/frankfurt/veranstaltungen/messetermine_2011-2012.html
This year I am coming 27 June-3 July. I checked for Messes during that period & found none. Now I understand there will be 2: LOPE-C 28-30 June & Secutech Thailand 30 June-2 July. That sucks, IMHO, but I think I know how to survive a Messe.
What I'm not so sure about is this Women's Footballers thingy! I didn't even know they played at that level. My question is: are the fans as fanatical for the femme's as they are for the men's? There is the opening before I get there and 1 match, on the 30th while I'm there. During one of my previous visits I did encounter riot equipped police in the Hauptbahnhof & was told they were there for a soccer match (didn't get the other team's name. lol). Does this 'excitement' permeate the Hesse clubs as well? Will there be cries of "Goooooaaaaaalllll" from the zimmers evey time a punter puts one through the uprights (legs of the SP)?
Just curious.
Myr.
Hessen Bub
03-21-11, 19:58
What I'm not so sure about is this Women's Footballers thingy! I didn't even know they played at that level. My question is: are the fans as fanatical for the femme's as they are for the men's?Nope. The German team is good, but there will be not as near a hype as it was 2006 for the men's World cup. So. Happy fucking.
HB
Nope. The German team is good, but there will be not as near a hype as it was 2006 for the men's World cup. So. Happy fucking.
HBDanke. Deutschland gehen!
(Hope that's right.)
Myr.
Details of my up coming trip will be announced later, in the appropriate thread.
Hessen Bub
03-21-11, 22:22
Danke. Deutschland gehen!
(Hope that's right.) It's not, but close. Go Deutschland would be "Deutschland vor!"
HB
I will be next week in frankurt.
Could you give me a list of 4/5 best fkk.
Thanks.
Xmen6900
Angus Magee
05-03-11, 12:56
I will be next week in frankurt.
Could you give me a list of 4/5 best fkk.
Thanks.
Xmen6900Sorry but this is really imposible to answer without a little input from you. Like what are you looking for in a club? Are you interested in looks or service? (not that the two are mutually exclusive but which do you value more?)That sort of thing. Other wise you will just get opinion. If you take the time to read the forum you will see that as many different guys as visit the clubs, you will get as many different opinions as to which is best.
So a little more from you and maybe a few of us will try to answer.
A
Ok sorry
I want to visit 3/4 fkk between.
World.
Palace.
Oase.
Atlantik.
Maihnanattan.
F-35.
Shark
Royal.
Could you suggest best 2/3 for place-girl
Thanks in advance.
Xmen6900.
Sorry but this is really imposible to answer without a little input from you. Like what are you looking for in a club? Are you interested in looks or service? (not that the two are mutually exclusive but which do you value more?) That sort of thing. Other wise you will just get opinion. If you take the time to read the forum you will see that as many different guys as visit the clubs, you will get as many different opinions as to which is best.
So a little more from you and maybe a few of us will try to answer.
A
PuroEuro79
05-04-11, 03:35
Hi everyone-sorry for the cross post (also in the ATMOS forum) , but it seems this is a better place to ask my question.
I'm going to be travelling to Hamburg in 2 weeks and am a FKK first timer. The options seem pretty limited and not quite as well reviewed as Frankfurt and Berlin, but such is the route of my travel. Can anyone recommend whether Atmos or Babylon would be a good first place to visit?
Service trumps looks for me, and this isn't entirely my first foray into this world, though a first in Germany and FKK clubs. Definately would like to avoid the shark type situation that has been from time to time reported here.
(Also, if you have a suggestion other than an FKK in Hamburg, please share)
Thanks in advance
Hi everyone-sorry for the cross post (also in the ATMOS forum) , but it seems this is a better place to ask my question.
I'm going to be travelling to Hamburg in 2 weeks and am a FKK first timer. The options seem pretty limited and not quite as well reviewed as Frankfurt and Berlin, but such is the route of my travel. Can anyone recommend whether Atmos or Babylon would be a good first place to visit?
Service trumps looks for me, and this isn't entirely my first foray into this world, though a first in Germany and FKK clubs. Definately would like to avoid the shark type situation that has been from time to time reported here.
(Also, if you have a suggestion other than an FKK in Hamburg, please share)
Thanks in advanceBoth Atmos and Babylon is seldomly reported here. Atmos seems well established, athough the premises is rather old compared the one of Babylon. It is reported there are more girls in Atmos than Babylon. Babylon is bigger, newer. The rest, I mean the line-up, it is to be discovered by your own.
As there is a harbour, there is a big RDL opportunity in Hamburg scene and also you may find some swinger clubs, there.
Happy Hunting,
C2
Nille Copenhagen
05-04-11, 12:12
Both Atmos and Babylon is seldomly reported here. Atmos seems well established, athough the premises is rather old compared the one of Babylon. It is reported there are more girls in Atmos than Babylon. Babylon is bigger, newer. The rest, I mean the line-up, it is to be discovered by your own.
As there is a harbour, there is a big RDL opportunity in Hamburg scene and also you may find some swinger clubs, there.
Happy Hunting,
C2Atmos is currently being renewed, so it not that bad, Babylon is big and new but the line-up sucks.
Don't waste your money on the RLD, it is a turist trap. Prices I Hamburg is higher than the rest of Germany.
Nille
Vito Corleone
05-04-11, 17:26
I will be next week in frankurt.
Could you give me a list of 4/5 best fkk.
Thanks.
Xmen6900FKK Miami is off the hook!
I plan to stay at Mercure Hotel Kaiserhof Frankfurt City Center (near the Frankfurt main train station) because I think it's easy for me to use the public transportation to reach Oase, Palace and Mainhattan FKK clubs. I don't know if this is a good hotel for tourists.
I appreciate any advice.
On an upcoming trip to FRA I will celebrate a B'day and I wish to get the most 'bang for my buck' (€). Previously I have visited & reported on Palace, Oase & Bernd's (& World, SudFass). This trip I am considering adding Samya to the mix.
Research indicates that Bernd's offers free entrance. I thought I saw a bottle of wine also, but I can't find the link now. Similarly, I previously saw that Palace offered free entrance, but I can't find that link either. Samya goes them all one better: free entrance, reduced rate for your friends if you pre-submit a list, & if there are 10 friends. 1 gets a free 30 minute session, (at least that's how my translator app. Sees it).
Could anyone confirm the Palace policy? Does Oase have anything? I like all the clubs (large & small & have 'favorites' in each) & am eager to try the new one: Samya. In the past emails to the clubs in English have been ignored. I am reluctant to send a translation from the computer.
Any advice?
Myr.
Hessen Bub
05-13-11, 17:36
Could anyone confirm the Palace policy? Does Oase have anything?I can confirm for Palace, no clue if Oase has that deal, but I don't think so.
HB
I can confirm for Palace, no clue if Oase has that deal, but I don't think so.
HB. Thank you. I intend to visit Oase before the blessed event & will advise.
Myr.
Hi all!
I'll be heading to Germany in July and will have some spare time to sample one or two FKK. Second experience after my previous visit to Paradise in Stuttgart two years ago. I will be in Karsruhe for business and I will have a car so I can move around although best would be south of FRA.
I need your advice on the best club where you can see some public sex in between session (I aslo love CIMs).
Thanks for the advices.
I'll be heading to Germany in July and will have some spare time to sample one or two FKK. Second experience after my previous visit to Paradise in Stuttgart two years ago. I will be in Karsruhe for business and I will have a car so I can move around although best would be south of FRA.
I need your advice on the best club where you can see some public sex in between session (I aslo love CIMs) Your closest would be Flamingo Island:
http://www.fkk-flamingo-island.de/fla/main.php?target=10016
For public sex, you'd probably have to hang around in the Kino.
Having said that, if I had a car and time, I would drive north to Oase.
Your closest would be Flamingo Island:
http://www.fkk-flamingo-island.de/fla/main.php?target=10016
For public sex, you'd probably have to hang around in the Kino.
Having said that, if I had a car and time, I would drive north to Oase. Thanks for your answer. If I'm driving up north to the Oase, I'd rather add another hour to go to Bernds regarding mu focus on public sex (and CIMs) : from the reports I've been reading, Oase is not that known for public sex. Or am I getting it all wrong.
Thanks,
GGGfan
Hi Guys,
Does anyone know of any FKK's near Rostock or Warnemund in North Eastern Germany? I'm only visiting there for the day, (on a cruise ship) and thought I'd pay a visit. I would probably hire a car.
Any help as to the location of the closest FKK would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Hi everyone,
I have a few questions before my trip to Frankfurt next week. I have tried to read the threads but its hard to find these things.
What FKK in Frankfurt (and near) would you go to regarding to.
The best FKK in wednesdays or / and fridays?
The best FKK in service for 50E (kissing etc)?
Prices? Is it different (entrance and service) between for example Palace, Oase, Mainhattan and World?
I love Russian and ukrainian girls. Which FKK had most of those girls?
Pornstars? Are there any now in these clubs?
I know its difficult regarding to personal opinions, but try to be objective in this. Thank you very much!
Hessen Bub
06-04-11, 19:44
I'd go to Oase, World or Palace, in that order.
Wednesday or Friday they are more or less the same.
Oase and World.
Prices for the girls are all the same. Palace 75€ entrance, Oase and World 65€, Mainhattan 55€.
Palace has the biggest Russian community.
No pornstars right now at these 3 clubs. But dozens of beautiful girls with great service and PSE if you want.
HB
Wolverine69
06-05-11, 11:11
I plan to stay at Mercure Hotel Kaiserhof Frankfurt City Center (near the Frankfurt main train station) because I think it's easy for me to use the public transportation to reach Oase, Palace and Mainhattan FKK clubs. I don't know if this is a good hotel for tourists.
I appreciate any advice.Hi, actually there are so many hotels around the central station that you could pick one. They are right opposite the station like hotel excelsior, hotel monopole, hotel everest etc. Staying near the central station is a very good idea because the transport is fantastic and especially if you intend going to the clubs. Also, there are trams outside the station so another feature. Directly opposite the station is the RLD, with lots of bars, cafes, restaurants so you spoilt for choice. I would definitelt recommend staying very close to the station and there is so much to do around the area.
Happy hunting
I have been looking for a hotel that is close to Oase that would allow me to travel back and forth between the FKK.
Are there any hotels that you guys would recommend?
Gfe Finder
06-05-11, 19:10
I have been looking for a hotel that is close to Oase that would allow me to travel back and forth between the FKK.
Are there any hotels that you guys would recommend? There's a boarding house called the Pension Wall that's within walking distance of Oase, but a.) I cannot vouch for it as I've never been there and b.) I understand the accommodations to be very basic. I've stayed at the Mercure Hotel Bad Homburg Friedrichsdorf before. It's about an 8 minute drive away and I've found it to be a nice hotel and a good choice.
@IowaCB14.
Missed your post, sorry. I would highly recommend this hotel. It is where I stayed on my first trip. As Wolverine69 notes there are a lot of places to eat / drink & shop in the area. There is an underpass from Kaiserhof to the Hauptbahnhof, which also has many stores on its two levels. The special thing about Kaiserhof, at least when I've been in the area, are the open markets on Tuesday & Thursday. Acapulco Sports Bar / Pizzera is just a couple of doors down from the hotel, (and where they sent me for ice).
Myr.
Forzagermania
06-05-11, 20:24
I have been looking for a hotel that is close to Oase that would allow me to travel back and forth between the FKK.
Are there any hotels that you guys would recommend? When I left Oase early this morning, at the parking area of Oase a bus from B&B hotel Frankfurt-Nord was waiting to bring guest to their hotel. Check out the possibilities:
http://www.hotelbb.de/portal/en/index.html?language=en
I am a real rooky with now experience in the 'sex for money' scene. However: the first step one can call experience, and it seems to be okay to give you guys an idea just that you could avoid doing the same mistakes.
When I was walking from the car to the Club a girl which was just leaving started to talk. I asked her for some short advice. Of how to behave: she was laughing and without asking she told me the prices. 30 min. 50 Euro. 1 hour 100 Euro; coming in the mouth an extra of 50 Euro; anal an extra of 100 Euro and she said: don't let the girls know that come the first otherwise they rip you off!
A nice introduction. I think. Anyway; once I arrived I pay the 65 Euro entrence fee, got a key and a little band around my wrist. In the wardrobe I changed the clothes. Or: not changed but hung it up and therefore got my towel and bathing shoes. A guy which I asked for advice just told me to leave all valuables in the little save upstairs. Which was a good idea too.
So. Ready for the first step into a new experience: It was at Sunday evening and there were more girls than guys. I think I have a high expectation about girls but had the impression that most of the girls are nice looking and with nice attitude.
A little disappointment was the order for a drink. A beer costs 10 Euro; I thought it is included in the entrence fee. Not a big deal. I was sitting for a minute an two Moldavian girls approached. One of them was 100% my type of girl. Nice looking, nice boom and a friendly style. Her friend was nice but not my style. I asked them to come back later since I had to settle down first. They left and came back and after having a beer together I decided to take one hour with two girls. The promised lesbian show was quite poor but the rest was a nice experience. However: when it came to the bill I realized that being impressed by an imagination and getting finally the bill for it are two different kind of things. Finally I had to pay 400 Euro for 1 hour and the worst: since I had to pay with credit card the girl at the frontdesk charged an extra of 50 Euro for accepting the credit card. Over all: the first step into Oase costs with all drinks and extras roughly 550 Euro.
Don't misunderstand, I will not complain. I just knew at the end that I could have had a nice experience with the 100% girl for 50 Euro, could have enjoy a coke with ice and could have easily left the place for 125 to 140 Euro with almost the same fun.
Conclusion: if you are a rooky to my advice would be; start at the lower end and improve if you feel like and avoid extras if you have no experience at all. And if you ask the girls what the deal is make sure you understand it exactly. Which could be difficult after three beers and in front of a real temptation.
However: I hope to have helped some guys to save money with this little report and. I will come back again and will have a look for the same nice girl from Moldavia but will not need so many extras. 30 min. Will be okay
Finally I had to pay 400 Euro for 1 hourI don't understand why you had to pay 400 Euros for 1 hour, unless you had anal with both of them. Was that the case?
I don't understand why you had to pay 400 Euros for 1 hour, unless you had anal with both of them. Was that the case?The account was like this:
One girl one hour (not half an hour) 100 x 2 = 200.
They proissed lespian love for an additional 100 Euro; 2 x 100 = 200.
Total 400-
The little pain: the idea of enjoying there lesbian love was not very good. They kissed each other but that was it. So: conclusion experience of a rooky.
But however: thanks for supporting a rooky. .
Hi everyone,
I have a few questions before my trip to Frankfurt next week. I have tried to read the threads but its hard to find these things.
What FKK in Frankfurt (and near) would you go to regarding to.
The best FKK in wednesdays or / and fridays?
The best FKK in service for 50E (kissing etc)?
Prices? Is it different (entrance and service) between for example Palace, Oase, Mainhattan and World?
I love Russian and ukrainian girls. Which FKK had most of those girls?
Pornstars? Are there any now in these clubs?
I know its difficult regarding to personal opinions, but try to be objective in this. Thank you very much! Thank you for your answers Hessen Bob!
Wolverine69
06-07-11, 14:26
I am a real rooky with now experience in the 'sex for money' scene. However: the first step one can call experience, and it seems to be okay to give you guys an idea just that you could avoid doing the same mistakes.
When I was walking from the car to the Club a girl which was just leaving started to talk. I asked her for some short advice. Of how to behave: she was laughing and without asking she told me the prices. 30 min. 50 Euro. 1 hour 100 Euro; coming in the mouth an extra of 50 Euro; anal an extra of 100 Euro and she said: don't let the girls know that come the first otherwise they rip you off!
A nice introduction. I think. Anyway; once I arrived I pay the 65 Euro entrence fee, got a key and a little band around my wrist. In the wardrobe I changed the clothes. Or: not changed but hung it up and therefore got my towel and bathing shoes. A guy which I asked for advice just told me to leave all valuables in the little save upstairs. Which was a good idea too.
So. Ready for the first step into a new experience: It was at Sunday evening and there were more girls than guys. I think I have a high expectation about girls but had the impression that most of the girls are nice looking and with nice attitude.
A little disappointment was the order for a drink. A beer costs 10 Euro; I thought it is included in the entrence fee. Not a big deal. I was sitting for a minute an two Moldavian girls approached. One of them was 100% my type of girl. Nice looking, nice boom and a friendly style. Her friend was nice but not my style. I asked them to come back later since I had to settle down first. They left and came back and after having a beer together I decided to take one hour with two girls. The promised lesbian show was quite poor but the rest was a nice experience. However: when it came to the bill I realized that being impressed by an imagination and getting finally the bill for it are two different kind of things. Finally I had to pay 400 Euro for 1 hour and the worst: since I had to pay with credit card the girl at the frontdesk charged an extra of 50 Euro for accepting the credit card. Over all: the first step into Oase costs with all drinks and extras roughly 550 Euro.
Don't misunderstand, I will not complain. I just knew at the end that I could have had a nice experience with the 100% girl for 50 Euro, could have enjoy a coke with ice and could have easily left the place for 125 to 140 Euro with almost the same fun.
Conclusion: if you are a rooky to my advice would be; start at the lower end and improve if you feel like and avoid extras if you have no experience at all. And if you ask the girls what the deal is make sure you understand it exactly. Which could be difficult after three beers and in front of a real temptation.
However: I hope to have helped some guys to save money with this little report and. I will come back again and will have a look for the same nice girl from Moldavia but will not need so many extras. 30 min. Will be okayHi Mike,
WOW mate, I'm surprised you paid so much at an FKK club. Did you not ask the right questions and observe the behaviour of the girls? After reading a lot of posts on this site, I went to Frankfurt for the first time and went to FKK Mainhattan. I knew my facts and figures and knew exactly how many girls I wanted to fuck. I paid the entrance of euro55 which included all softdrinks, beer and buffet lunch / dinner. The girls were not pushy at all and loved to spend time at the bar. The girls there explained everything first before going to the room and I even managed to get amazing blowjobs in the kino for at 20 minutes and without been charged extra. Mind you I was extremely friendly and nice to all the girls. Now it is possible you went to the wrong club and I have read and heard about FKK Oase and FKK Palace as rip off places because the girls are hunters and only interested in rush jobs. However, if you want extras with two girls then the bill was about right, because anal with two girls will cost euro200 + one hour with two girls is another euro 200 and that makes already euro400 + entrance fee. You see Mike, it all adds up and unless you are hung like a stallion or Rocco Sifredi, I suggest the next time take one girl at a time for 30 minutes which will cost you euro50 and if you take 4 different girls then you only pay euro200. By taking one girl at a time you get to suck / lick her all over, get a blowjob for as long as you want and then suggest to her to go to the room where you can take another 20 minutes fucking her in all positions. I spent 3 days and spent euro400 for two nights including entrance fee at FKK Mainhattan. The place is amazing, the girls are at least 7-10 and they are not PUSHY! Hope this helps for your next trip.
Hi Mike,
WOW mate, I'm surprised you paid so much at an FKK club. Did you not ask the right questions and observe the behaviour of the girls? After reading a lot of posts on this site, I went to Frankfurt for the first time and went to FKK Mainhattan. I knew my facts and figures and knew exactly how many girls I wanted to fuck. I paid the entrance of euro55 which included all softdrinks, beer and buffet lunch / dinner. The girls were not pushy at all and loved to spend time at the bar. The girls there explained everything first before going to the room and I even managed to get amazing blowjobs in the kino for at 20 minutes and without been charged extra. Mind you I was extremely friendly and nice to all the girls. Now it is possible you went to the wrong club and I have read and heard about FKK Oase and FKK Palace as rip off places because the girls are hunters and only interested in rush jobs. However, if you want extras with two girls then the bill was about right, because anal with two girls will cost euro200 + one hour with two girls is another euro 200 and that makes already euro400 + entrance fee. You see Mike, it all adds up and unless you are hung like a stallion or Rocco Sifredi, I suggest the next time take one girl at a time for 30 minutes which will cost you euro50 and if you take 4 different girls then you only pay euro200. By taking one girl at a time you get to suck / lick her all over, get a blowjob for as long as you want and then suggest to her to go to the room where you can take another 20 minutes fucking her in all positions. I spent 3 days and spent euro400 for two nights including entrance fee at FKK Mainhattan. The place is amazing, the girls are at least 7-10 and they are not PUSHY! Hope this helps for your next trip. Thanks for the good information: as I said, I am a rooky and had to pay for some lessons. I'm not mad about the girls, they did their job for themself okay. It was me who was the stupid. But since there is so much good support at this forum I will learn fast. And thankfull will take all advice.
PS: are there other great sauna clubs you could recomand? I am travelling a lot all over the world and could have a change to visite some of them. Do you know if there are clubs like this in Romania? Thans for your answer in advance mike
Wolverine69
06-08-11, 21:54
Thanks for the good information: as I said, I am a rooky and had to pay for some lessons. I'm not mad about the girls, they did their job for themself okay. It was me who was the stupid. But since there is so much good support at this forum I will learn fast. And thankfull will take all advice.
PS: are there other great sauna clubs you could recomand? I am travelling a lot all over the world and could have a change to visite some of them. Do you know if there are clubs like this in Romania? Thans for your answer in advance mikeHi Mike,
No problem mate, we all have to learn sometime. Now there are no clubs anywhere near FKK clubs in Romania. Clubs in Romania are controlled by the Mafia and I would suggest you stay well clear away from these places because they will take your money and give you nothing. The sex scene in Romania is extremely dangerous, the streetscene is filthy and you are better of going to a night club and flirting with an ordinary chick and see if you can take her out. But stay away altogether and be safe. I am a single traveller and I'm always wary of these Eastern European countries because the gangsters run everything. I much prefer to go to Holland or Germany where sex is part of everyday life and they are not prudish at all. Look at all the FKK clubs, they are so well run. Hope this helps Mike.
Enjoy!
Nextelking168
06-14-11, 05:13
Hi all
I have a 6 hrs layover in frankfurt anyone can tell me whats the closest FKK club, how long and how much of a cab ride is it? Do I have enough time?
Hi all
I have a 6 hrs layover in frankfurt anyone can tell me whats the closest FKK club, how long and how much of a cab ride is it? Do I have enough time?You can go to Palace, may cost not exceeding Euro 40 one way by cab, spend easy 2 hours and still report at least two hours before your departing flight.
Suggest RTTF.
Cheers!
Just asking again because I'm getting close to departing and my balls are heavy. Thanks!
Hi Guys,
Does anyone know of any FKK's near Rostock or Warnemund in North Eastern Germany? I'm only visiting there for the day, (on a cruise ship) and thought I'd pay a visit. I would probably hire a car.
Any help as to the location of the closest FKK would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Just asking again because I'm getting close to departing and my balls are heavy. Thanks!Http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=112127550579963948884.00045d515d0f87adf527e&z=5
Not looking too good, is it?
Nearest decent FKK is Artemis in Berlin, I guess. Worth the trip, but I guess it doesn't fit your timeframe.
Beware of the Eros Center in Rostock (see map). I don't know it personally, but they don't by reputation have the greatest service culture, heavy balls or no. Good luck.
Thanks Toscana, looks like a trip to Berlin then! Appreciate the advice.
B bbj.
On Assignment
06-22-11, 02:45
I will be in Amsterdam for a week early July and intend to visit the border area of Germany for a day to visit an FKK Club. Could anyone advise which ones are most accessible and / or most recommended by train from Adam? Thanks very much.
On Assignment
I will be in Amsterdam for a week early July and intend to visit the border area of Germany for a day to visit an FKK Club. Could anyone advise which ones are most accessible and / or most recommended by train from Adam? Thanks very much.
On AssignmentIf germany is your destination than FKK Golden time is closest but you have to take cab from Kaldenkirchen station.
Enjoy
If germany is your destination than FKK Golden time is closest but you have to take cab from Kaldenkirchen station.
EnjoyI would advice to travel to Venlo (NL) by train and then take a cab (about 25-30E). Venlo-Kaldenkirchen by train is no more than 2 miles make no sense waiting for such a short trip. Venlo Railway station to Gt is about 10 miles.
Gt is also the club I would advice. From Venlo you can also take a cab to PHG or VV but that is further and at day time Gt is the better option. Cab from Gt to Venlo back will be cheaper (20-25E) because then you have a German cab.
B30
Ladies Man69
06-23-11, 14:44
I would advice to travel to Venlo (NL) by train and then take a cab (about 25-30E). Venlo-Kaldenkirchen by train is no more than 2 miles make no sense waiting for such a short trip. Venlo Railway station to Gt is about 10 miles.
Gt is also the club I would advice. From Venlo you can also take a cab to PHG or VV but that is further and at day time Gt is the better option. Cab from Gt to Venlo back will be cheaper (20-25E) because then you have a German cab.
B30Hi Big 30,
I am planning a trip 2 NRW next Wednesday 29th of June and will stay for 3 nights. I would love if you recommend me some action baring into mind that GT is off the limits for me as I am egyptian and they didn't let me in twice! I've been 2 a few FKK"s:
1) LR a lot of times.
2) Yin Yang total crap.
3) Samya Mediocre.
4) Oase in Frankfurt but I've been there once late at night so I didn't enjoy.
5) Villa Vertigo not bad but the lineup is so and so.
6) PSR the best facility I've been 2 so far however the lineup isn't good at all.
7) PHG not bad also, not in LR variety but comes second.
One of my dreams is 2 pay Bernd's a visit just 2 see with my own eyes what the big hype is all about, but the thing that makes me a bit negative about is my friends is into good looking girls not much into great service unlike myself.
I also want 2 ask whether its worth a trip 2 world or Palace as I am staying in Dusseldorf or no need for this long hrs of driving as we have a rented car.
Thanks a lot man and keep the great posts going on.
LM69
Hi Big 30,
I am planning a trip 2 NRW next Wednesday 29th of June and will stay for 3 nights.
I also want 2 ask whether its worth a trip 2 world or Palace as I am staying in Dusseldorf or no need for this long hrs of driving as we have a rented car.
LM69Hi LM69,
Not easy to answer your question. If I answer it will be based upon my personal preferences. But when I read your one-line characterisation of the different Clubs I more or less agree.
If I would have 3 days and would stay in Dusseldorf I most certainly would visit LR. Gt still has the best line-up in NRW and when the sun is shining great place to be. But OK you know the selective door policy at GT. Good or wrong it is a fact you have to face.
If Gt is not an option then PHG or VV (not that far) is a good back-up although less girls and both clubs are more evening clubs (Samya too actually).
I am not a Bernds fan but as you already mention this club has a lot of fans. You can give it a try. Some like it and some stay there 60m and then drive fast to Gt : )!
I would probably go for a visit to Oase. Of the Big 3 in Hessen I like it most, esspecially in Summer although World also has a lot to offer. But that is all a matter of taste. Other board members will have other preferences I am sure.
For relaxing, good food and best facilities in NRW indeed PSR is the place to be. Suc6 with your planning of the trip.
B30
Mainhattan FKK sounds like a good option then for Frankfurt. Is it close to the airport and does anyone know any good, inexpensive hotels that are near it?
Thanks for any help.
Jim
Hi Mike,
WOW mate, I'm surprised you paid so much at an FKK club. Did you not ask the right questions and observe the behaviour of the girls? After reading a lot of posts on this site, I went to Frankfurt for the first time and went to FKK Mainhattan. I knew my facts and figures and knew exactly how many girls I wanted to fuck. I paid the entrance of euro55 which included all softdrinks, beer and buffet lunch / dinner. The girls were not pushy at all and loved to spend time at the bar. The girls there explained everything first before going to the room and I even managed to get amazing blowjobs in the kino for at 20 minutes and without been charged extra. Mind you I was extremely friendly and nice to all the girls. Now it is possible you went to the wrong club and I have read and heard about FKK Oase and FKK Palace as rip off places because the girls are hunters and only interested in rush jobs. However, if you want extras with two girls then the bill was about right, because anal with two girls will cost euro200 + one hour with two girls is another euro 200 and that makes already euro400 + entrance fee. You see Mike, it all adds up and unless you are hung like a stallion or Rocco Sifredi, I suggest the next time take one girl at a time for 30 minutes which will cost you euro50 and if you take 4 different girls then you only pay euro200. By taking one girl at a time you get to suck / lick her all over, get a blowjob for as long as you want and then suggest to her to go to the room where you can take another 20 minutes fucking her in all positions. I spent 3 days and spent euro400 for two nights including entrance fee at FKK Mainhattan. The place is amazing, the girls are at least 7-10 and they are not PUSHY! Hope this helps for your next trip.
Hi, everyone.
I've been visiting NRW four times now (I come from abroad) and always managed to screw up with getting appropriate german sim-card to my cellphone. The ones I've bought so far were impossible to recharge / refill in the supermarkets & gas-stations because they didn't have it for the particular sim-card I bought in the tv-shop.
My question is: Which german SIM-card in NRW is most available for refill in the common places after usual working hours?
My question is: Which german SIM-card in NRW is most available for refill in the common places after usual working hours?Which card did you buy? E-plus, O2, Vodafone, T-mobile all no problem at all.
B30
Which card did you buy? E-plus, O2, Vodafone, T-mobile all no problem at all.
B30I don't remember. Who ever I asked were I can buy a "start-package" told me that I must do so in TV-shop. I did and when I wanted to refill in the supermarkets and in gas-stations they told me that they don't have the refill for that particular SIM-card.
I recon that E-plus, O2, Vodafone & T-mobile should be the ones I should try to buy a start-package for. Am I right? The funny thing is that I asked the clerk in the TV-shop for a SIM-card which is easy to find refills to and he sold me that rediculous one :/
Hey,
Thanks for all of the great info on here. Until recently I had never even heard of FKK but am now getting excited to make my first trip. Have been reading thru a lot of the boards to do my homework and was wondering if someone could help answer a few questions for me.
I am thinking of going for 7-10 days. It seems like most people seem to recommend Palace, Oase, and World so I figured those would be good to see. I also do want to spend some time in Berlin just in terms of seeing the city and was thinking Artemis sounded pretty good too. Some others that caught my eye based on what I read were Flamingo, Bernds, Goldentime, and Planet Happy Garden. While I haven't heard as much about it on here I also came across Villa Vertigo which seems to have some really beautiful women so was thinking about checking that out as well.
In terms of what I'm looking for obviously the most important is the quality of the women. Not as much concerned about age but I do have a love of the spinner types. I also would like to go somewhere that you can have 3 or 4 women at a time. It sounds like for the right price that can happen anywhere but am I better off going to a partytreff for that need and just going one at a time in the other clubs? I don't have a necessarily tight budget so I can do what I want, but trying to not go overboard at the same time either. And lastly I actually prefer lingerie as opposed to just walking in and everyone is naked. Not a deal breaker of course and I know some of the places have a lingerie night, but I was reading that usually sauna clubs as opposed to FKK have more of that?
Thanks!
Peeter Pan
08-03-11, 10:12
First time member and I read most of the threads about FKK Clubs. I going to Europe via Frankfurt and like to check out one of the Club. I like healthy girls or ladies kind of chubys. Sorry no ofence that is my taste but I like all of them. Please someone can give me some idea which club will be ideal. I was planning to go to Oase but after reading all the thread I don't know which one I have to go. You guys are all pro and some of the short word I have to learn like DATY, CIM you know that kind of word.
Thank you
London Traveller
08-03-11, 19:54
first time member and i read most of the threads about fkk clubs. i going to europe via frankfurt and like to check out one of the club. i like healthy girls or ladies kind of chubys. sorry no ofence that is my taste but i like all of them. please someone can give me some idea which club will be ideal. i was planning to go to oase but after reading all the thread i don't know which one i have to go. you guys are all pro and some of the short word i have to learn like daty, cim you know that kind of word.
thank youyes, you can get all that at oase. there weren't many chubby girls there though on my last visit, although some girls do have fuller figures, in the best sense of the word. i have only been to world once but when i did, last year, there were one or two bigger girls there, if that is your interest, however you will need transport to get to world. if you don't have a car then stick to oase. both clubs are by far the best ones if it's a warm sunny day and you like to relax outdoors.
Hey,
Thanks for all of the great info on here. Until recently I had never even heard of FKK but am now getting excited to make my first trip. Have been reading thru a lot of the boards to do my homework and was wondering if someone could help answer a few questions for me.Hi. I also love lingerie!
Lingerie day is Wednesday at Artemis.
When you talk about Palace, Oase and Artemis, you are talking about some of the major FKKs in germany, IMHO the best ones.
I visited quite a few and I would put them in this order: Artemis, Palace, Oase.
Bernds is a "strange" place, make sure you read the reports to make sure it fits your taste, and if you are in that area also check out PSR, I loved it.
Anyways, If it's a 7/10 days trip and you also want to make a tourist tour in Berlin (which I absolutely think is a great idea) , I would do the following:
Spend some days in Frankfurt and visit: Palace, Oase and Mainhattan.
Spend the rest of the days in Berlin and visit Artemis (even more than once) and / or some of the various bordellos. Read the Berlon thread or google for "Angus blog berlin".
HTH.
Kimino
Hi. I also love lingerie!
Lingerie day is Wednesday at Artemis.
When you talk about Palace, Oase and Artemis, you are talking about some of the major FKKs in germany, IMHO the best ones.
I visited quite a few and I would put them in this order: Artemis, Palace, Oase.
Bernds is a "strange" place, make sure you read the reports to make sure it fits your taste, and if you are in that area also check out PSR, I loved it.
Anyways, If it's a 7/10 days trip and you also want to make a tourist tour in Berlin (which I absolutely think is a great idea) , I would do the following:
Spend some days in Frankfurt and visit: Palace, Oase and Mainhattan.
Spend the rest of the days in Berlin and visit Artemis (even more than once) and / or some of the various bordellos. Read the Berlon thread or google for "Angus blog berlin".
HTH.
KiminoThanks! His blog has been really helpful. Looking forward to sharing details of a fun trip.
Hannibal Barca
08-13-11, 11:23
Hi,
I am planning well ahead for a Christmas trip from Dec 23 to 27 for 5 days. Coming from overseas you need to prepare for these things. I fly into and out of Frankfurt Main.
I have done some research to make my Christmas trip a success and so far my searches on the various threads indicate to me that most clubs do not open Christmas eve but do open Christmas day. So the problem is finding a club that opens on Christmas eve. Currently, based on reports I have read the plan is:
Fri, Dec 23 Any of Oase, Palace, Mainhattan (not sure of closing time)
Sat, Dec 24 All Hessen clubs closed (?) ; Paradise in Stuttgart open.
Sun, Dec 25 World opens 3pm; Oase opens 5pm, is Palace open? Golden Time & Living Room open.
Mon, Dec 26 All Hessen & NRW clubs open normal hours.
Tue, Dec 27 All Hessen & NRW clubs open normal hours.
I appreciate that the line ups will be down but for me the chance to be enjoying a club and having a few ladies for Christmas is a good thing. There are not many chances when I can get to do this. Christmas just comes once a year.
Can anyone else add anything more to my plan?
Also if anyone has any more information on which clubs offer special deals for a guest's birthday then please let me know. So far I know that Yin Yang and Bernds give free entry on your birthday. I am also told that Palace, Golden Time and Living Room offer free entry but I have not found anything to confirm that.
Please and thank you.
Also if anyone has any more information on which clubs offer special deals for a guest's birthday then please let me know. So far I know that Yin Yang and Bernds give free entry on your birthday.Hi!
Samya in Köln also offers free entry on your birthday. Here is a quote from their homepage:
UNSER GEBURTSTAGSKIND-SPECIAL:
Jedes Geburtstagskind hat am Geburtstag freien Eintritt. Möchten Sie auch Gäste zum Geburtag einladen so zahlt jeder Gast, der vorher auf einer von Ihnen mitgeteilten Gästeliste steht, einen reduzierten Eintritt von € 30. Ab Ihrem 10. Gast erhalten Sie vom Haus noch eine "Gratisnummer" (30 min.) mit Ihrer "Traumfrau".
Have a great birthday!
T
Hannibal Barca
08-13-11, 13:17
Hi!
Samya in Köln also offers free entry on your birthday. Here is a quote from their homepage:
UNSER GEBURTSTAGSKIND-SPECIAL:
Jedes Geburtstagskind hat am Geburtstag freien Eintritt. Möchten Sie auch Gäste zum Geburtag einladen so zahlt jeder Gast, der vorher auf einer von Ihnen mitgeteilten Gästeliste steht, einen reduzierten Eintritt von € 30. Ab Ihrem 10. Gast erhalten Sie vom Haus noch eine "Gratisnummer" (30 min.) mit Ihrer "Traumfrau".
Have a great birthday!
THi Tjohoo,
Thanks for the reply. This means I can add Samya to the potential list of places to go for a good free entry deal on my birthday. That is 50 euro.
The birthday offer seems to go further saying that any other guests's name provided beforehand are entitled to a reduced admission of 30 euro. If I manage to have 10 guests then Samya throws in a free 30 minute session with a "dream girl". LOL. I guess I need to find some more friends. I have two friends joining me.
Just on birthdays, I was thinking that there are girls today being born which potentially in 18 years time that I could be fucking. Exciting but also a sobering thought.
Thank you for the birthday well wishes.
Can anyone tell me where I can visit in Wiesbaden or Mainz? I'll be in the area on the 22nd and would like to visit. I want to avoid a long drive to Oase from Bingen.
G
Can anyone tell me where I can visit in Wiesbaden or Mainz? I'll be in the area on the 22nd and would like to visit. I want to avoid a long drive to Oase from Bingen.
GNo. Long drive from Bingen? I should wish my drive were so short.
This will be my first time at an FKK club. Are all of these clubs nudists? Do any allow clothing?
I'm kind of shy about walking around naked.
Thanks
This will be my first time at an FKK club. Are all of these clubs nudists? Do any allow clothing?
I'm kind of shy about walking around naked.
ThanksHi William. FKK stands for Freikörperkultur or 'Free Body Culture'. And the girls are nude except for dessous nights. Where they get to where some undergarments. Fortunately for us who are buying, we can wear a towel or a robe (supplied by the club). At least at the Hessen clubs. Go. Have a good time- no one judges you. It is the experience of a lifetime.
Will
Hi William. FKK stands for Freikörperkultur or 'Free Body Culture'. And the girls are nude except for dessous nights. Where they get to where some undergarments. Fortunately for us who are buying, we can wear a towel or a robe (supplied by the club). At least at the Hessen clubs. Go. Have a good time- no one judges you. It is the experience of a lifetime.
WillIf they supply a robe I will be fine.
Thank for the encouragement.
Probably a dumb question but here it goes.
Where would you keep your wallet?
London Traveller
09-11-11, 09:39
Probably a dumb question but here it goes.
Where would you keep your wallet?Depends where you are going. Many clubs, such as Palace, Mainhattan, World and Oase have a separate small wallet locker which is more conveniently placed for giving the girls their cash. Some guys don't use these lockers and keep their wallets in with their clothes. For example at Oase this means that the girls wait at the top of the stairs to the male changing room for you to bring up the cash to them (as they aren't allowed in that area at that club). In other clubs, such as Golden Time and Parksauna Residenz, you just keep your wallet in your ordinary locker and the girls will come all the way inside the changing room with you to get their cash.
Hessen Bub
09-11-11, 14:37
Palace and Paradise do also have small safes in each locker, you can chose your own code.
HB
Hi friends.
My girlfriend wants to see FKk clubs. Can I take her to any like Samya or any other in Koln? What would be the charges?
Any suggestion please
Quick questions on FKK.
So as long as I don't touch them, they can't charge me correct? I mean if a girl I don't like approaches me I can simply decline right?
Now since I will be there in about 1 week will it still be open during weekday evenings? Since the temperature will be cooler, are the girls still nude outside or will they be inside somewhere? The pics on the website look like its more of a summer place. Unsure if it will still be available in mid-end September. Let me know also which nights has the best choice of girls if you know.
When you choose a girl, are the room closed or can anybody see you? I heard you make can make out / kiss anywhere but for sex its inside a room right?
Do I need to bring condoms or the girls have some?
As for the cash money, how do you pay the girls if you're only wearing a towel? I guess you have to go back to the locker everytime to get cash? .
Sorry for the questions and thanks in advance.
Mike.
In general
At FKKs you only become committed when you agree to go to the room. However some honour, integrity, and discretion would mean that you shouldn't encourage a girl into kissing and much couch fondling if you aren't going to a room with her. Otherwise the girl may well be very pissed off. (Of course some girls will be pissed off if you just say no the moment she comes up to you). If you encourage several girls to come and join you on a couch and then don't go to a room with any of them you will probably be shunned for the rest of your visit.
If a girl comes up to you and starts checking under your towel to see if you are a likely prospect, then you are not committed (although if you allow her to do this for five minutes then perhaps you might be on dodgy ground, but by that time your brain has probably stopped working).
It is best always to spend a few minutes with a girl before going to a room. You can check out whether you click. Take care if a girl jumps on you and you can't breathe for her attention. Often (not always) this hustle implies that she thinks that a good look at her or a chat might put you off.
The girls always have condoms.
You go back to the locker for cash each time. Sometimes (not often) men carry some money with them to the room in, for example, a book or a glasses case, if for some reason they don't want to go back to the locker
Quick questions on FKK.
So as long as I don't touch them, they can't charge me correct? I mean if a girl I don't like approaches me I can simply decline right?
Now since I will be there in about 1 week will it still be open during weekday evenings? Since the temperature will be cooler, are the girls still nude outside or will they be inside somewhere? The pics on the website look like its more of a summer place. Unsure if it will still be available in mid-end September. Let me know also which nights has the best choice of girls if you know.
When you choose a girl, are the room closed or can anybody see you? I heard you make can make out / kiss anywhere but for sex its inside a room right?
Do I need to bring condoms or the girls have some?
As for the cash money, how do you pay the girls if you're only wearing a towel? I guess you have to go back to the locker everytime to get cash? .
Sorry for the questions and thanks in advance.MikeXX,
This place, FKK66, is good both for summer and winter time. I was in Baden Wurtemberg last weekend, and the weather was 31 degree Celcius. But when it is cold outside, they simply close the doors of garden, and this is it. Inside of the club is heated and girls are all nude. When they get cold, sometimes, they wrap a towel, but normally, this is not allowed for them.
During morning time, if the weather is good, you have a possibility to see some naked girls by the poll, but generaly, they don't flash in full sunlight, in this FKK66.
Hi Cordelia,
Thanks so much for the inside info. At least I'll know what to expect.
I'm curious about when you say a girl can come up to you and start checking under your towel. What is she trying to check? To see if have you what it takes? How many of the girls will do this? Is this common? Will she play with my thing with her hands? But since she initiated this I am not obligated to say yes correct? Like you said I can't let her do this for too long or else its a dogdy situation as you say.
Thanks,
Mike
Mike.
In general
At FKKs you only become committed when you agree to go to the room. However some honour, integrity, and discretion would mean that you shouldn't encourage a girl into kissing and much couch fondling if you aren't going to a room with her. Otherwise the girl may well be very pissed off. (Of course some girls will be pissed off if you just say no the moment she comes up to you). If you encourage several girls to come and join you on a couch and then don't go to a room with any of them you will probably be shunned for the rest of your visit.
If a girl comes up to you and starts checking under your towel to see if you are a likely prospect, then you are not committed (although if you allow her to do this for five minutes then perhaps you might be on dodgy ground, but by that time your brain has probably stopped working).
It is best always to spend a few minutes with a girl before going to a room. You can check out whether you click. Take care if a girl jumps on you and you can't breathe for her attention. Often (not always) this hustle implies that she thinks that a good look at her or a chat might put you off.
The girls always have condoms.
You go back to the locker for cash each time. Sometimes (not often) men carry some money with them to the room in, for example, a book or a glasses case, if for some reason they don't want to go back to the locker
Hi Creature2,
Thanks for the additional info. When I go to a room with a girl, is the room closed or can anyone see us? Are there showers or towels in the rooms?
Cheers.
Mike.
MikeXX,
This place, FKK66, is good both for summer and winter time. I was in Baden Wurtemberg last weekend, and the weather was 31 degree Celcius. But when it is cold outside, they simply close the doors of garden, and this is it. Inside of the club is heated and girls are all nude. When they get cold, sometimes, they wrap a towel, but normally, this is not allowed for them.
During morning time, if the weather is good, you have a possibility to see some naked girls by the poll, but generaly, they don't flash in full sunlight, in this FKK66.
Hi Creature2,
Thanks for the additional info. When I go to a room with a girl, is the room closed or can anyone see us? Are there showers or towels in the rooms?
Cheers.
Mike.In FKK66, I sessioned twice, first session was in a small room. For my second session, I utilised a very big room, with jacuzzi and shower. But normally, rooms are smaller and there is no shower. Generaly, you make your shower outside the rooms.
The rooms have doors and you close the doors when you enter the room. Nobody can see you apart from the girl or disturb you when you are inside the room. Rooms are always discrete. If you start an action in outside garden, or in public, or in the cinema, this is something different. But always, you have possibility to cease the session and continue it in the room.
Mike. You have got it just right. It's to try to see if you are working and to try to over-ride your critical faculties. Seems fair enough. The number of girls who do this is declining so now it is a small minority. I can't speak for FKK66 however from personal experience
Berlusconi01
09-19-11, 21:16
In Frankfurt-Dussendorf Cologne-Saarland.
Which one would be the best to profit for the reduced-free entry?
Cheers!
Member #4319
09-26-11, 02:36
Hey guys, hope you're well,
After much deliberation and trawling through these forums, I think I'd like to head to Germany for my 6day break from 7th. 13th October 2011. The reason I think Germany may be a better choice for me personally is that 1) it is far cheaper to fly to europe from the UK than it is to fly to the far east or to South America. 2) there are plenty of easily accessed mongering options over there and 3) it sounds as if mongering may be cheaper in Germany than in other parts, such as Czech republic or Poland? Price is the biggest factor for me sadly. I'd rather have a cheap encounter that does the job, as opposed to a more pricey encounter that is more memorable. I appreciate that many won't agree with that, but it's the way I have to do it at the moment!
I'd really appreciate some help:
A) If you could chose any other place in Europe than Germany, which would it be? (Poland? Czech?) Which is cheapest?
Be) As a first timer to Germany and as someone who speaks no German (and is trying to keep costs down) , what sort of itinerary would you recommend for a 6day trip for the above dates?
Thanks a lot guys, your help as always is much appreciated.
JM
In Frankfurt-Dussendorf Cologne-Saarland.
Which one would be the best to profit for the reduced-free entry?
Cheers!Just try.
Samya, Cologne. (http://www.samya.de/)
Free birthday admission. Reduced (30 Euro) admission for your friends, if you tell them their names on a kind of guestlist in advance. In case you bring more than 10 friends, you get a complimentary "zimmer" (30 mins).
Folks, October in Germany fairly comfortable time. When FKK close outdoor areas? I remember that last November outdoor area was opened in Golden Time in Vienna, but not sure about German clubs. As far as I remember mid of October most of them are still open. Who remember better?
Member #2453
09-27-11, 15:02
I was at Samya Sauna in Kolon, all the 3 times I was there except for one lady all were with their panties, no was completely nude? Are there any clubs around Kolon where all the Girls in the club are completely nude all the time?
Thanks
I was at Samya Sauna in Kolon, all the 3 times I was there except for one lady all were with their panties, no was completely nude? Are there any clubs around Kolon where all the Girls in the club are completely nude all the time?
ThanksLook here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3173-Parksauna-Residenz-Lohmar&p=1188372&viewfull=1#post1188372
This post explains it.
Member #2453
09-28-11, 11:03
Look here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3173-Parksauna-Residenz-Lohmar&p=1188372&viewfull=1#post1188372
This post explains it.Thanks for the link thread Now I get a clear picture
DownUnderMonger
10-06-11, 09:16
Just wondering if there are any fkk's (or brothels) that specialise in bbws or have a larger proportion of big girls.
I'm talking size 16 plus.
May I request some advice?
I am quite familair with FKKs, having been several times to many of them, however not recently.
I have managed to create a window of opportunity for a 36h lay over in FRA, eartly November.
For convenience, I have booked an hotel close to Hauptbahnhof.
I won't rent a car, and do not think that it is worth spending too much time in public transport to get to Oase, especially that in winter, outdoor facilities won't be usable.
That's leave me with Palace, that I know well, and Mainhattan, that I don't know.
I like palace, and am not "afraid" opd the socalled "sharkness" of girls there. However, I am always interested in checking new places.
My plan therefore is: check in to the hotel around 4 pm on day one, head straight after that to Mainhattan and spend the evening / night there.
On day 2 morning, around 12, head to Palace till 6 before heading direct to airport (flight at 8. 30)
Does this programme make sense with regards to quantity and quality of girls at the times I am suggesting?
Of course, any alternative sufggestions would be gladly received.
Thnaks.
Dreams.
PS I am posting this on the Palace and Mainhattan threads, so apologies for the repeat.
My plan therefore is: check in to the hotel around 4 pm on day one, head straight after that to Mainhattan and spend the evening / night there. On day 2 morning, around 12, head to Palace till 6 before heading direct to airport (flight at 8. 30)I think it's the best what you can do. Mainhattan is a little bit calm and sometimes boring in the afternoon. Only few girls, most from Romania. IMHO it's the right decision, visiting Mainhattan at night and spending next-day-afternoon in Palace. Have fun!
Hot to get there: It's just a convenient 30 mins tram ride from Main Station (Tram 11 from Main Station to Fechenheim Schiesshuettenstrasse, leave tram at Daimlerstrasse). Last train back to Main Station from Daimlerstrasse at 1. 33 am.
I think it's the best what you can do. Mainhattan is a little bit calm and sometimes boring in the afternoon. Only few girls, most from Romania. IMHO it's the right decision, visiting Mainhattan at night and spending next-day-afternoon in Palace. Have fun!
Hot to get there: It's just a convenient 30 mins tram ride from Main Station (Tram 11 from Main Station to Fechenheim Schiesshuettenstrasse, leave tram at Daimlerstrasse). Last train back to Main Station from Daimlerstrasse at 1. 33 am.Thanks,
Since then, I found out that lingerie days is on both clubs on Wednesday, which is my "day2". I like the girls fully naked. Based on some other's advice, I am now considering Sharks.
I have left the following message on the Sharks' thread:
Sharks, Mainhattan and / or Palace?
How does sharks compare with Mainhattan and Palace with regards to
Quality of girls.
Quantity of girls?
On a week day form 6pm till, say 2 am, and.
During the day from, say. 12 to 6 pm?
I have an opportunity for those 2 windows.
Reading the posts, and looking at the websites, it seems that Sharks is the best place as regards installations etc, but quantity / quality of girls may be sometimes average.
But this seems also the case at Mainhattan, where installations seem less spacious. I know well Palace, have been there often, even early morning, and always found somebody to play with. However, I am keen to explore new pastures.
Also want to avoid lingerie day, which is, I was told, on Wednesdays on both Palace and Mainhattan, and one of my 2 days is. Wednesday.
My current inclination would therefore be to go to Palace on arrival on day one. 6 pm to 2 am, and then head up to Sharks for day 2, between 12 and 6?
Does this make sense?
NicolaiJackov
11-22-11, 03:54
Hi all,
I've been lurking on this forum and have found the information very helpful, thought I'd contribute something back in the form of a trip report. I'm writing this as I wait to leave my hotel to catch the morning train to the airport. .
A little bit over a month ago, my last gf broke up with me. My usual cure for such heartaches is to go mongering until I've fucked enough beauties to get over the ***** that broke my heart. Worked for my past breakups, so this time my approach was no different. But there was a twist to it this time; before the breakup, we had planned on going to Taiwan so I had already booked tickets + cleared my vacation time at my company. So here I am, sitting with a bunch of credits that expire in a year + a few vacation days. About 3+ years ago, I had gone to FKK Palace because the idea of having a ton of hot, naked sluts right there for me to choose from seemed too good to pass up. It lived up to my expectations, but unfortunately, I was only able to go for half a day since that was all the time I could squeeze out on business travel. So this time, I decided to do a well planned out FKK trip as a treat to myself.
The information on this board was invaluable to me, and I also figured out a few things for myself along the way, so here goes.
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The plan:
I've got a solid 4 days of time in Germany, so the question was how to best optimize my time. I don't speak German and I have a naturally shy personality so I would prefer to avoid asking hotel staff to call a taxi to take me to an FKK. Since I had already been to Palace once and it was good, I decided I would make sure to at least be able to hit that easily, and then go from there. I looked up the rates at Flemings and they weren't too bad, so I ended up going with that. I then started looking for other FKKs that would be reachable by train / walking. FKK Mainhattan would be easily doable, and I figured I could catch a train up to Samya in Cologne.
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Preparation:
Lots of research on this board.
I downloaded a Frankfurt map Android app that had offline map data, and as a backup, I printed out a map of the Frankfurt train system.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Schienennetzplan_Frankfurt_am_Main.png
As it turned out, the Android app (Traveldroyd) was useless; GPS took forever to lock on and it was then so jittery that I couldn't use it! Not sure if it is the app's fault or if GPS is just flakey here, but I've never had such problems with Google Maps back in the USA. Of course, I had no data here, so I couldn't use Google Maps.
The ONE thing useful from the app was the compass, but I could have gotten a free compass app. Luckily, all I really needed was the Frankfurt train map + Google Maps at the hotel.
Physically, I made sure to have a high protein diet, lots of fruit, took some extra zinc vitamins, and refrained from jacking off for about 5 days before the trip.
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Day by day report:
I will write up the details for each FKK in the appropriate thread. This is just an overview of each: how I got there, the general ambiance, etc.
Friday:
I arrived a little before noon. Took the train from the airport to Hauptwache, then from Hauptwache took the U6 towards Heerstrassen and got off at Industriehof. My hotel was next door to the Palace, and as I walked past the Palace, memories of that great time 3 years ago flooded back in my brain and I felt my dick get hard with anticipation. Checked in, unpacked, cleaned up, and since I had slept all the way there, I was ready to start my FKK adventure!
I entered around 3 PM and left at around 11 PM. I would rate the average looks of the girls to be around 7. 5 (a few stunners pulling up the average and a few uglies dragging it down). The quality definitely improved as the night went on. Please see my post in the Palace thread for details. Especially noteworthy: I got a taste of Czech Gina and she more than lived up to expectations. Also, she doesn't look chubby at all, so either A. Some mongers here are into waif-thin girls, or B. She really lost ALOT of weight, or C. I had a special attraction towards her since she looked like a dead ringer for this really hot chick that I had wanted to date in college but never managed to get past the "friends zone" with. I'm going to go with a combo of A and C since her body was nice and tight, without any stretchmarks that you would expect to see from sudden weight loss.
Saturday:
Went by train to FKK Mainhatten. This was fairly straightforward. I took the U6 towards Ostbahnhof all the way to Ostbahnhof, then walked towards the south and found the 11 tram going towards Schiesshuttenstrasse. I got off at the Daimlerstrasse stop, and then walked south along Daimlerstrasse, with the FKK Mainhatten signs giving me reassurance that I was on the right path. I turned right as Daimlerstrasse turned into Schielestrasse, kept walking for a bit, and then I was there. The only incidents getting to / from there were: 1. I had trouble finding the 11 tram initially and wound up on Zobelstrasse, having somehow missed the 11 tram stop closer to Ostbahnhof, and 2. It was getting dark on my way back and I had difficulty locating the U6 Ostbahnhof entrance. I eventually found the U6 entrance, but it was at the Zoo stop. Oh well, all of it was so close together that I didn't actually walk that far out of the way.
I went in at 1 PM and left at around 7 PM. The selection average was about 6. 0, but it got markedly better around 6. Unfortunately, by then I was too spent to stick around. More info in the Mainhatten thread. Noteworthy fuck of the day: Ida. Super skinny Romanian girl. Fucked like a champ, great attitude, and got me to cum in half an hour even though she was the last fuck of the day! Those of you who like the waif look, you owe it to yourselves to try Ida.
Sunday:
I had originally planned to go to Samya but before going, I noticed that they only open at 3 PM on Sundays as opposed to 1 PM on other days! Given that it would be an ICE train to and from Cologne and that it wouldn't run that often, I was afraid of staying too late because I didn't want to get stranded. But if I went at 3 and left at a safe hour, then I wouldn't get that much time in. And given that I was already starting to get worn out from 2 days of fucking, I knew I would need longer sessions + more time between sessions. So this clearly would not be a good choice. :/
I started looking for alternatives and settled on FKK Sharks in Darmstadt. I looked up walking directions on Google to get from the Darmstadt station to Sharks and it seemed a bit long but definitely doable. Note that if I had a chance to do this again, I'd have called a cab to return from Sharks (if not also to go there in the first place) ; the walk was longer than expected although still very easily doable for me. But it does get dark pretty fast, and some of the streets aren't that well traveled. The neighborhood is very industrial with large factories and very few people. Walking past 3 mannish-looking hookers who were all over 50 and who were all eyeing me didn't help me feel any more comfortable on the walk back.
Anyway, if you want to brave the journey on foot (and walking there before it gets dark is actually not bad at all) , then here is exactly what I did. This is essentially the Google walking directions but with a few added descriptions from my on the ground experience of it. .
Take the U6 to Hauptwache, then take the S3 to Darmstadt all the way to the last stop (Darmstadt HBF). Exit Darmstadt HBF through it's east exit (the ONE time the Android app was useful at all. To find which way I was facing). You will see a square with cobblestones and tracks. There is a McDonalds (or was it a McCafe?) on the left and Gobelstrasse is in front of you. Walk towards Gobelstrasse and take a left on it. Take a right on Bismarkstrasse. Left on Kirschenalle. You will stay on Kirschenalle for some time (1km walk). You will cross Landwehrstrasse, and then eventually hit Pallaswiesenstrasse. Take a right on Pallaswiesenstrasse then a left on I'm Tiefen See (there is a gas station at this corner, should be to your left as you cross). Take a right on Otto Rohm Strasse and then walk for a while. You'll pass a Casino Resort with a 4 leaf clover logo and cross the Carl Schenck Ring. On the left side of the Otto Rohm Strasse / Carl Schenck Ring intersection, there will be a sign post with a bunch of businesses. You will see FKK Sharks listed there. Keep walking straight on Otto Rohm Strasse until you get to Sharks.
I got to Sharks at around 1 PM and left around 4:30 PM. Decided to leave early because I didn't have too much confidence that the selection would improve, I was feeling tired, and I didn't really want to walk back when it was completely dark. The selection was pretty poor here; average was around 5. 0. Mostly milfs, and ugly ones at that. This trip would have been written off as a miss except for Vicka; she turned my frown upside down and so this trip was an EPIC win. Suffice it to say that if I ever do another FKK trip, I will make it a point to go to Sharks SOLELY for the purpose of finding and fucking Vicka again. Amazingly sweet and slutty attitude. No rush, no upselling, and she seemed to genuinely enjoy the sex as much as I did. I'd rate her as the best fuck of my entire FKK adventure this round. Hell, I'd rate fucking her in the top 10 sexual experiences of my entire life. Details in the Sharks thread.
Monday:
Last day for my FKK adventures. Needed to rest up a bit from 3 days of fucking + I wanted to started readjusting my body clock for US time. Decided to sleep in for most of the day and revisit Palace in the evening, staying as long as I had money and stamina.
Went into Palace at 6 PM and it was surprisingly dead. Very few girls and guys. Everyone was just sitting around, quietly chatting with friends. Never seen the vibe so mellow. Things picked up after 7 PM, and I stayed until 12:30 midnight. Selection average was about 8. 5; the quality boost after 7 PM was huge, mostly helped by two solid 9's that walked in around that time. Details in the Palace thread.
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Advice / Lessons learned / Random tips:
Overall, this was a great trip! Accomplished my primary goal of getting over my breakup. Nothing like fucking a bunch of hot sluts to make you realize that there are PLENTY of fish in the sea. I'll take some good old sexual healing over any anti-depressants any day. ; p.
Gina was an excellent fuck, and it let me live out my fantasy of fucking my college crush. Even better, I got a chance to experience Vicka, easily one of the best sexual experiences in my life!
What worked well:
-The oft repeated advice to wear a watch and look at it before the session starts is SOLID. Do it. It is the only way to show these girls that you are NOT some rich sucker from America that can be ripped off for as many Euros as possible.
-Printing out the train map was VERY useful. Sometimes the stops are not announced that clearly, and often times it is difficult / impossible to figure out which direction you should take the train in without using the map. I recommend anyone traveling in Frankfurt to have a copy of this map in their pocket and to check it frequently.
-Saying "no, maybe later / I'm resting now / etc." when hit on by girls that you are not 100% sure you want to do. This was not easy for me and I had a few lapses which I regretted on the first day, but I managed to do it the rest of the time. Sometimes there are ugly girls who will get REALLY pissed and cuss you out when you say that, but whatever. You weren't going to fuck them anyway so why would you care what they thought of you? If anyone reading this needs more resolve, just remember this scenario: what if you fucked a passable 7 and then the hottest girl you could imagine walks in while your wallet is empty and your dick is limp. Was that 7 worth it? Fuck no, so don't fuck 7's no matter how aggressive they get.
-Going to the masseuse was a good call. All the massages that I had were excellent and having a massage in the middle of an FKK run was a great way to recharge and go for longer. It's pretty much impossible to nap in the kino areas since there will always be one or two girls that will go and try to wake you up to see if you want to session with them. And if they aren't trying to shark you, they are trying the same thing with the monger lying a few feet from you. That and having a porno going on with lots of moaning doesn't make it any easier to nap. All the masseuses were licensed and very professional, and I feel my muscles more relaxed and comfortable after my trip. If you can't get hard at all but don't want to go home yet, then go to a masseuse. Your back and your dick will thank you. ; p.
What could have gone better:
-I did alot of research but it was still not enough. I should have made a careful itinerary and booked hotels accordingly. The need to race back to the one hotel I had before it got too late was a definite limiter on how much mongering I could do. A better thought out plan would have included booking hotels closer to each of the FKKs and moving between the hotels at the start of each day. Then again, this more careful strategy would have made it more likely that I would have gone to Samya and not met Vicka at Sharks so I guess not planning everything out exactly right wasn't *all* bad.
-Should have brought a compass or gotten a watch with a compass, and left the phone at home. The ONE time the app was useful was as a compass, and using the phone as a compass is pretty shitty since the phone's compass takes a while to stabilize. Without calling or data, my Android phone was a useless, very expensive brick that I was taking around and always having to be extra careful not to drop it, lose it, have it stolen, etc.
-Packing lighter. Check the weather, know your body type and how much clothing you want, pack that and NOTHING more. I packed way too much. I had t-shirts since I was afraid it would be too cold and I would need to layer those inside my polo shirts. I had polo shirts and long sleeve shirts, since I wasn't sure if I would be OK with short sleeves in this weather. The list goes on. This is mostly because I've lived in Texas for most of my life so I don't have a good grasp of what temperatures feel like under 50 F other than "it's cold". As it turns out, I should have just packed my long sleeves, the one vest that I wore, and my jacket. Everything else could have stayed at home and I'd have been much lighter (which would be helpful if I wanted to move between hotels easily without lugging too much stuff around).
-Save Palace for last. The reports of Palace having higher quality girls AND the girls being sharkier and wanting more $$$ are definitely true. It was harder for me to resist some of the pretty good but not outstanding girls at Palace the first day since I was so horny. On my last day, I only fucked the three most attractive girls in the club and went away knowing that there were no more girls there that I would regret not fucking. The girls were just as aggressive on both days, so what really changed was my attitude / having enough self control to think with the right head. If I could do it over again, I'd have started out at a smaller club with less aggressive girls (but still enough attactive ones to avoid just "settling") to help whet my appetite. Mainhattan would probably have been good for that; it had a few great looking girls and they were all more chill there. Sharks might not have been as good as it would have been too easy there to "settle" and spend more than you should (Vicka was the only super attractive girl there. The others that I had there were low 8's). Given how close Palace / Flemings is to the U6 line, it also makes alot of sense as a last stop before heading back to the airport.
Hello, NicolaiJackov!
Interesting reading. A lot of observations and facts. But please refrain from calling the working girls "sluts". Maybe I'm to sensetive but I think that they deserves to be treated with more respect.
T
Sorry if this is a wrong place for this post. Move if necessary.
I have been reading on Germany's FKK's for the past week or so, and although this forum is inundated with useful information, I feel like I need to ask a few newbie questions. I have tried to compartmentalize questions in not-so-well-chosen categories.
Communication.
1. For being nascent to the German scene, or FKK in that regard, what kind of lingo do parties use to communicate about the explicit activities that might be sought? Are the requests made directly, e. G."Do you provide bareback blowjob?" (of course, with a bit of playfulness) or can they understand subtleties in English when your German is very limited?
Money & Transaction.
2. Do FKK's accept credit card in case something happens to your cash or ATM card, or is it something location specific?
3. Do the payouts always occur at the security box spots or can the exchange also happen in the room, which perhaps requires the guy to carry the session-money with him at all time (not a good idea I suppose)?
4. Do the girls carry a change or should a monger have the exact amount (what if all you have is 100 Euros)?
5. Does anyone leave small tips for the cleaning staff, e. G. A Euro, or is it frown upon?
6. While we at it, is it inappropriate to tip the bartender or do the facilities have a "shared" tip jar for everyone, if any? Are the bartenders a good source to extract needed information about the girls? Note, that I'm not trying to go on a tipping rampage, just wish to know the norm.
Facilities.
7. How are the showers set up? Are they communal or privately partitioned? Depends on the place? Oh how I miss Thailand.
8. If one wishes to take to the gym / workout area (hey, you are there all day long, why not get some non-sexorcise workout while you are there) , I don't suppose the same attire rules, e. G. Robe or towel, are applied, is it? Can you wear gym clothing when using gym equipments, when available?
9. Is it permitted to have a cell / smartphone with you outside of the locker room in the vicinity of the establishment for personal / business purposes? Or is it considered a definite no-no because of potential misuse, e. G. Cameras?
Hygiene, STD.
10. Can you bring your own toiletries, e. G. Soap, etc?
11. How are the STD rates in these places? Has anyone caught anything, not that you can eliminate the risk, but just wish to know?
12. How often do girls get tested? Is every establishment different in its quest to keep the ones with any sort of STD out of the circle or do rules get laxed from place to place?
13. Can you carry your own brand of condom, lube, etc? Do women swirl their oral cavity with mouthwash before being engaged with the next guy? Is it ok to ask them to do so before coming with you to the room?
Girls & Good Stuff.
14. You happen to like a session with a girl; can you schedule another one 5 hours later that night ahead of time to make sure you get her at that time slot?
15. Does any sort of full service action go on outside of the rooms, of course, if the parties are inclined to? How often does that happen (like in swinger clubs or partytreff) , if ever? I presume that the pool and sauna areas should be off limit for any sexual activities, aside from caressing and cajoling?
16. This might come off as being naively newbie question, but with all the rub and tug that goes on in the public arena, and even BBBJ's, do people mind a member walking around with a raging hard-on? I understand you can conceal your canon under the garment until reaching to the safety, a. K. A. The private room, but are people adult enough about it not to care? Or is it a common scene?
17. Is it disrespectful to ask a girl who just made an attempt to sell herself to you to call another girl sitting far that has actually interested you?
Safety, Security, and Type of Mongers.
18. What type of folks patronize such establishments? Are they mostly comprised of guys in their 30's or 40's with pleasant decorum and decent income? Sorry to take a collective financial status of like-minded people as a factor in assessing the overall type of mongers that one might encounter. I mean no disrespect. Or are the FKK's crawled with shoddy characters with issues? Or perhaps a mix?
19. How do these places handle drunkards and rowdy people? Are there proper security to manage such members?
Misc.
20. Are there establishments that require everyone to be entirely naked, e. G. Not even a mini-towel?
London Traveller
12-10-11, 01:12
Sorry if this is a wrong place for this post. Move if necessary.
I have been reading on Germany's FKK's for the past week or so, and although this forum is inundated with useful information, I feel like I need to ask a few newbie questions. I have tried to compartmentalize questions in not-so-well-chosen categories.
Communication.
1. For being nascent to the German scene, or FKK in that regard, what kind of lingo do parties use to communicate about the explicit activities that might be sought? Are the requests made directly, e. G."Do you provide bareback blowjob?" (of course, with a bit of playfulness) or can they understand subtleties in English when your German is very limited?
Money & Transaction.
2. Do FKK's accept credit card in case something happens to your cash or ATM card, or is it something location specific?
3. Do the payouts always occur at the security box spots or can the exchange also happen in the room, which perhaps requires the guy to carry the session-money with him at all time (not a good idea I suppose)?
4. Do the girls carry a change or should a monger have the exact amount (what if all you have is 100 Euros)?
5. Does anyone leave small tips for the cleaning staff, e. G. A Euro, or is it frown upon?
6. While we at it, is it inappropriate to tip the bartender or do the facilities have a "shared" tip jar for everyone, if any? Are the bartenders a good source to extract needed information about the girls? Note, that I'm not trying to go on a tipping rampage, just wish to know the norm.
Facilities.
7. How are the showers set up? Are they communal or privately partitioned? Depends on the place? Oh how I miss Thailand.
8. If one wishes to take to the gym / workout area (hey, you are there all day long, why not get some non-sexorcise workout while you are there) , I don't suppose the same attire rules, e. G. Robe or towel, are applied, is it? Can you wear gym clothing when using gym equipments, when available?
9. Is it permitted to have a cell / smartphone with you outside of the locker room in the vicinity of the establishment for personal / business purposes? Or is it considered a definite no-no because of potential misuse, e. G. Cameras?
Hygiene, STD.
10. Can you bring your own toiletries, e. G. Soap, etc?
11. How are the STD rates in these places? Has anyone caught anything, not that you can eliminate the risk, but just wish to know?
12. How often do girls get tested? Is every establishment different in its quest to keep the ones with any sort of STD out of the circle or do rules get laxed from place to place?
13. Can you carry your own brand of condom, lube, etc? Do women swirl their oral cavity with mouthwash before being engaged with the next guy? Is it ok to ask them to do so before coming with you to the room?
Girls & Good Stuff.
14. You happen to like a session with a girl; can you schedule another one 5 hours later that night ahead of time to make sure you get her at that time slot?
15. Does any sort of full service action go on outside of the rooms, of course, if the parties are inclined to? How often does that happen (like in swinger clubs or partytreff) , if ever? I presume that the pool and sauna areas should be off limit for any sexual activities, aside from caressing and cajoling?
16. This might come off as being naively newbie question, but with all the rub and tug that goes on in the public arena, and even BBBJ's, do people mind a member walking around with a raging hard-on? I understand you can conceal your canon under the garment until reaching to the safety, a. K. A. The private room, but are people adult enough about it not to care? Or is it a common scene?
17. Is it disrespectful to ask a girl who just made an attempt to sell herself to you to call another girl sitting far that has actually interested you?
Safety, Security, and Type of Mongers.
18. What type of folks patronize such establishments? Are they mostly comprised of guys in their 30's or 40's with pleasant decorum and decent income? Sorry to take a collective financial status of like-minded people as a factor in assessing the overall type of mongers that one might encounter. I mean no disrespect. Or are the FKK's crawled with shoddy characters with issues? Or perhaps a mix?
19. How do these places handle drunkards and rowdy people? Are there proper security to manage such members?
Misc.
20. Are there establishments that require everyone to be entirely naked, e. G. Not even a mini-towel?Here are some answers from my own experience:
1. Just speak normal English. Most girls can cope with the usual words. If you are too subtle it may lead to misunderstanding.
2. I haven't tried using a credit card. I suspect you may need to pay a surcharge if it is accepted.
3. You don't need to pay in the room. Pay at the wallet safes or the girl will wait outside the changing room if it is a club where they are not allowed in.
4. It's best to have the right money. Girls don't usually carry money with them. If you need change ask at reception.
5. I have never seen anyone give the cleaning staff a tip.
6. I have never seen bar staff being tipped and there was no sign of a tip jar in any clubs I have been to. I really don't think that the bar staff are going to be interested or able to give information on the girls. This is not what they are there for and they are much too busy.
7. All clubs I have been to have communal showers. Don't be shy!
8. When I have used the gym at Artemis I take my own gym kit. It is dangerous to use the equipment in a towelling robe and slippers. But some do try!
9. Avoid using your smartphone in any area of the club where there are naked girls. For example at Golden Time guys tend to go to the far end of the garden.
10. You can definitely bring your own soap. I take my own shower gel.
11. There is definitely a risk of STDs even if you just have BBBJ. If you don't want an STD then have everything protected.
12. It doesn't matter how often the girl gets tested. The guy just before you who came in her mouth might have been incubating something. Then you will get it.
13. Some girls are cautious about using condoms other than their own. I take my own lube but often girls prefer their own. They may also be unwilling to use mouthwash that isn't theirs. Some girls have their own mouthwash and use it frequently but many don't. I sometimes offer girls a tictac before going to the room!
14. Some girls will make appointments for later, particularly if you are going to book them for a prolonged period. Just ask them.
15. Some clubs allow sex in all sorts of places and some folk take advantage. Usually the kino is the most frequent location.
16. A few guys walk around exposing themselves with stiffies in all sorts of places. I think this is uncalled for. Personally I cover up with a towel and think about football to ensure shrinkage happens rapidly.
17. I only did this once when I asked a girl who spoke English to help translate my approaches to a girl who spoke none. She wasn't very happy about it but she was helpful and I thanked her profusely. If you make friends with a girl she might introduce you to her pals, however girls won't usually be interested in helping you approach the competition.
18. The social mix is very broad at FKKs. All the way from socially awkward and financially challenged guys to very affluent and seemingly confident ones. A complete mix.
19. If there is any problem some HUGE guy, probably covered in tattoos, will appear from nowhere and sort out the situation.
20. I think you are talking about a naturist place not an FKK or sauna club.
Thank you for taking your time to answer my questions.
2. I haven't tried using a credit card. I suspect you may need to pay a surcharge if it is accepted.I asked mostly in cases of emergency where you might have somehow misplaced your cash or other circumstances. I suppose, at that time, you won't mind a surcharge. Have you encountered anyone who didn't have the money to fulfill his financial obligation?
3. You don't need to pay in the room. Pay at the wallet safes or the girl will wait outside the changing room if it is a club where they are not allowed in.Some places I read have CCTV running at safe box spots which makes it harder for the girl to claim she didn't get paid.
5. I have never seen anyone give the cleaning staff a tip.More like "leaving" a Euro on the table, but if it is not a custom, then be it.
6. I have never seen bar staff being tipped and there was no sign of a tip jar in any clubs I have been to. I really don't think that the bar staff are going to be interested or able to give information on the girls. This is not what they are there for and they are much too busy.I always assumed the bartenders are the ones with the wealth of information. Silly me.
7. All clubs I have been to have communal showers. Don't be shy!Welcome to Europe! . I don't mind it; I just assumed in high-end clubs, the setting would provide a minimum of privacy. But it is what it is.
9. Avoid using your smartphone in any area of the club where there are naked girls. For example at Golden Time guys tend to go to the far end of the garden.I guess I was thinking more about utilizing a smartphone for translation if the communication happens to break down, but I certainly can understand the concerns by the girls and other members.
11. There is definitely a risk of STDs even if you just have BBBJ. If you don't want an STD then have everything protected.
12. It doesn't matter how often the girl gets tested. The guy just before you who came in her mouth might have been incubating something. Then you will get it.I don't disagree with your comment. I was just curious to know the STD rates among the girls as I don't see people much discussing it. Obviously, different countries and venues attract different type of mongers who might or might not, on average, take their health seriously. At the same time, the awareness and know-how of protective measures taken by the ladies are equally important.
Nonetheless, I was wondering, how often do members catch anything in these FKK's?
15. Some clubs allow sex in all sorts of places and some folk take advantage. Usually the kino is the most frequent location.How often do seats at the kino get disinfected? ; ]
16. A few guys walk around exposing themselves with stiffies in all sorts of places. I think this is uncalled for. Personally I cover up with a towel and think about football to ensure shrinkage happens rapidly.Football! I was probably thinking something more in line of pretending to bump into a close female family member in the club or even suicide but not a sport that generates excitement although not sexually. .
17. I only did this once when I asked a girl who spoke English to help translate my approaches to a girl who spoke none. She wasn't very happy about it but she was helpful and I thanked her profusely. If you make friends with a girl she might introduce you to her pals, however girls won't usually be interested in helping you approach the competition.The reason I asked was, there are times a girl pesters you to no end, and you want to unload her "sharkiness" (sic) without offending her. From your comment, I don't suppose my suggestion would be a good strategy after all.
18. The social mix is very broad at FKKs. All the way from socially awkward and financially challenged guys to very affluent and seemingly confident ones. A complete mix.Too much of polar personalities might also lead to one group start bickering the other. I hope people who patronize FKK's are adult enough to forgo of such sand box behavior.
Hessen Bub
12-10-11, 10:16
@Rivon: Don't get too scientific. Visit a club, let the atmosphere catch you, bring enough cash in 50€ bills, whatever personal hygiene utensil you think are necessary and have fun! That's what it's all about.
I've never caught a STD in 10 years of clubbing.
HB
London Traveller
12-10-11, 10:49
I don't disagree with your comment. I was just curious to know the STD rates among the girls as I don't see people much discussing it. Obviously, different countries and venues attract different type of mongers who might or might not, on average, take their health seriously. At the same time, the awareness and know-how of protective measures taken by the ladies are equally important.
Nonetheless, I was wondering, how often do members catch anything in these FKK's?
How often do seats at the kino get disinfected?The topic of STDs is a bit of a taboo one, at least on this forum. People want to read here about having a good time with the girls, not about how they might end up with painful symptoms or in a clinic. You will find reports about how some girls are cleaner than others. Equally, I suspect that some have health check-ups more frequently than the rest. Some clubs, like Globe in Zurich, advertise how they pay attention to the health of their workers, however this is no guarantee of freedom from risk because, as you point out, the mongers also have their role in this. If you read this forum you will see how a few guys do report that they have caught things, which fortunately are perfectly curable, at these clubs.
Don't worry about the kino seats. You are not going to catch anything from them. But try to avoid sitting in any wet patches. There are always plenty of kitchen towels nearby you can clean up with before you sit down.
Welcome to Europe! . I don't mind it; I just assumed in high-end clubs, the setting would provide a minimum of privacy. But it is what it is.Yes, welcome to Europe!
If privacy is one of your main concerns then there are alternatives to FKK / Sauna clubs that might suit you better. Like "Traum-paradise" and "Termin girls" in NRW. You get many girls to choose from but you don't "need" to meet any other guests.
One of the fantastic aspects of the FKK / Sauna club scene are the open athmosphere between guests and girls (communal showers and public sex). Don't be shy, instead grab the amazing opportunity too share a shower (and maybe soap) for free with a couple of hot 20 year old girls. Showers like that are great places to start a conversation in, and if one thing leads to another you will at least know that the girls you are having sex with are clean.
T
Hessen Bub
12-10-11, 16:09
Privacy in a German FKK is limited to the room throughout the session when you close the door and lock out the others. And of course to the toilets, they are more privat than the US versions as we do not only build a small stall with a privacy shield, open at bottom and top so everybody can hear you.
You can have public sex almost everywhere in the club, except for the restaurant, massage area or entrance. Last week I saw a couple fucking in the (small) showers at Oase next to the sauna.
HB
Dr Clitorius
12-13-11, 02:33
Hello, Gentlemen,
Having read that sex without condon (I hope in german is "ohne all") is something frequent in the FKK's, I wanted to ask if anyone knows.approximatelly- what percentage of the girls working at the big Frankfurt clubs (Oase, World, for ex.) offers this kind of service.
Thank you in advanced.
DC
Privacy in a German FKK is limited to the room throughout the session when you close the door and lock out the others. And of course to the toilets, they are more privat than the US versions as we do not only build a small stall with a privacy shield, open at bottom and top so everybody can hear you.
You can have public sex almost everywhere in the club, except for the restaurant, massage area or entrance. Last week I saw a couple fucking in the (small) showers at Oase next to the sauna.
HB
Angus Magee
12-14-11, 17:18
Hello, Gentlemen,
Having read that sex without condon (I hope in german is "ohne all") is something frequent in the FKK's, I wanted to ask if anyone knows. Approximatelly- what percentage of the girls working at the big Frankfurt clubs (Oase, World, for ex.) offers this kind of service.
Thank you in advanced.
DCWhere did you hear this? There are specific small clubs that offer Alles Ohne (AO) and even a thread here discussing it. But in general condoms are used at all FKK for sex, but usually not for blow job. While there may well be condom-less sex going on behind closed doors in any club, generally the girls are pretty safety conscious. If you yourself want AO sex I suggest going to the bareback thread and ask there.
AM
Nille Copenhagen
12-16-11, 14:11
Yes, welcome to Europe!
If privacy is one of your main concerns then there are alternatives to FKK / Sauna clubs that might suit you better. Like "Traum-paradise" and "Termin girls" in NRW. You get many girls to choose from but you don't "need" to meet any other guests.
One of the fantastic aspects of the FKK / Sauna club scene are the open athmosphere between guests and girls (communal showers and public sex). Don't be shy, instead grab the amazing opportunity too share a shower (and maybe soap) for free with a couple of hot 20 year old girls. Showers like that are great places to start a conversation in, and if one thing leads to another you will at least know that the girls you are having sex with are clean.
TI agree, the concept of FKK is open nude atmosphere between the guests.
Some FKK clubs have VIP rooms / entrance, so you don't have to meet other guests.
Who knows celebrities and politicians might also have fun at the clubs.
Hello, Gentlemen,
Having read that sex without condon (I hope in german is "ohne all") is something frequent in the FKK's, I wanted to ask if anyone knows. Approximatelly- what percentage of the girls working at the big Frankfurt clubs (Oase, World, for ex.) offers this kind of service.
Thank you in advanced.
DCWhere did you read this, Dr?
On my many years of clubbing in Germany, (I mean in mainly big clubs) I never had an offer from a wg for a bareback sex (Alles Ohne) , or never heard about such an offer (maybe I am deaf). But if you are into this kind of service, there are countless other opportunities in Germany where they provide you that service.
There is even an FKK type (pricing structure) club where girls offer this service as a standart; FKK Dolce Vita Raubach (has its own devoted thread here and also under Germany Partytreffs section), but meanwhile, there is a huge list of alternatives, as well
Simply, follow that thread;
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3215-Bareback-AO- (Alles-Ohne).Flat-Rate-Clubs-Parties-and-Events
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