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Member #3453

09-05-07, 13:55

Uno, you speak too much in extremes.

My God, WastedG, your writing has improved, your descriptions, your pros...absolutely impecable, thoughtful, a total transformation from a year ago. No reluctance, signficant commentary, depth, OUTSTANDING!!!

MJ? simply just a naturally talented writer and descriptive, eloquent master at articulating the depth and meaning behind the written words, all now done with significant restraint and kindness, even when I attempt to playfully solicit knee jerk reactions from you for my own twisted entertainment. I salute you sir.

Carlos, the knowledge of MTY that is contained in your posts...endless, and totally accurate. The wisdom of your posts, and your ability to see the effects of certain behavior, and to initiate commentary where the downside to certain behaviors might prove painful to your friends...all a result of significant experience, inherent knowledge of Mexican society, and a total and completely verdad motivation to help the mongering hords....oh, yeah, and the ability to talk about me with a straight face with regard to my being fleeced in the clubs :D You are so convincing :D But, more importantly, your sincere concern for me...Mi amore!!! :D

No...I agree 100%. Both MJ's and Carlos' points about what the average guy has to spend in money, effort, etc..to acheive ultimate success the way I play the game. It is astronomically expensive generally speaking. You guys know how much I have bitched about that. And, until my "G" girl, I was bitching constantly about it. So, she is a total and complete departure from the norm. I spent little on her to receive the very best from her starting from the very beginning, and that is what makes me so happy with her. She seems to be verdad.

MJ, the points you made with respect to the average dude coming down to Monterrey wearing his heart on his sleeve, etc...those are issues that are indeed in need of reiteration. I agree with every point you articulated.

With regard to my G girl, however, expenditures on her have been extremely minimal in comparison to what you so accurately pointed out with regard to the average ho. I suppose that is what impresses me about her. I do spend on her now in the sense that if we are going to dinner or the movies, but only minimally. Those activities are not things that other girls even benefit from. But, I never did have to spend on her to receive what I get from her, not even from the very beginning. That is why she holds such distinction with me. The guys that know me well, know how true this is. That is why I think of her with sincerity, because I truly believe she feels the same way.

But, to qualify my remarks, WE CAN ALWAYS BE WRONG!!! So, we have to be vigilant, and not turn over the farm just because we believe there may be something legit to a girl's seemingly legitimate affections, ones that we believe are sincere.

My "G" girl benefits from comparatively different expenditues because she wants to be there, and she enjoys the BFE. And with her, I do wear my heart on my sleeve, but my treasure is locked in the safe in my office :D. I am still always intellectually cautious with her regarding my personal details, and I do NOT make stupid amateurish mistakes that could cost me financially, even with her, not even with a girl that impresses me beyond all the rest. I have tested her many times. She is verdad. But, that having been acknowledged...

I believe that the culture she comes from basically taught her that it is not only acceptable, but her duty, to take full advantage of every financially enriching opportunity that comes her way. I believe it is, in part, the reason she began ho-in' to begin with. I recognize that the culture she originates from, while she may intrinsically be internally reluctant and literally sorry to engage in opportunistic behavior with me, due to our closeness, she would do it, within reason, if given the opportunity. Not on a grand scale, and not even to an extreme extent, and perhaps not even if she truly believed she would hurt me by it, but simply because her society teaches her to take full advantage of what comes her way.

And, here is a profound truth that all should recognize about the cultural differences when they leave the USA for Mexico, just something I have noticed with respect to attitude from the lower classes of Mexico versus the general social etiquette in the US.

I believe that if it comes between enriching circumstances for home and family, versus adhering to social ethics, or acting in a restrained manner regarding the acceptance of "help," even as close as my "G" girl is to me for example, she would opt to enrich her circumstances, mainly, I believe, because she probably culturally believes that, no matter how I am able to "help" her, it is a small donation for the rich Gringo from the US, and of little consequence to me financially. But, more importantly, she has been endoctrinated to believe that it is her "DUTY" to do so.

She has been taught by her lower class Mexican society to do her duty, which translates into doing whatever one has to, perhaps short of murder, violence, etc...to enrich her circumstances, and to ask for forgiveness later. Certainly, there are many living in Mexico where murder and violence are not a prohibitive activity, and it may even be more common an acceptable alternative in Mexico than in the US. So, caution is always the ONLY strategy.

Gotta go...mi trabajo...I will continue this commentary later, primarily to answer some of what MJ articulated in his last post.

El Cabron 007

09-05-07, 15:36

I always knew Bob liked Carlos. I wonder what they do when they are alone. I even witnessed Bob hit on Carlos when I first met this dude. And finally the truth comes out for all to see. Does Bob find a BFE in Carlos?

Will you guys announce a date? I want to be the one to give Carlos away. Way far away.....

Carlos,

But, more importantly, your sincere concern for me...Mi amore!!! :D

Member #3453

09-06-07, 03:52

I always knew Bob liked Carlos. I wonder what they do when they are alone. I even witnessed Bob hit on Carlos when I first met this dude. And finally the truth comes out for all to see. Does Bob find a BFE in Carlos?

Will you guys announce a date? I want to be the one to give Carlos away. Way far away.....

I just thought I would make you jealous... :D I am only interested in GFEs. You and Carlos are the BFE queens.

Sorry, you said to shut up about the gay stuff...

For those that wonder, it is all B/S...

El Cabron 007

09-06-07, 04:23

Could you please post this one more time? I think I'm about to .. ummm .. go.

I just thought I would make you jealous... :D I am only interested in GFEs. You and Carlos are the BFE queens.

Sorry...I remember that you said to shut up about the gay stuff...

For those that truly wonder, it is all B/S...

MonterreyDude

09-06-07, 08:24

Excuse me, am only intrested in TSEs with GIRLS!!!

Could you please post this one more time? I think I'm about to .. ummm .. go.

Member #3453

09-06-07, 13:12

Could you please post this one more time? I think I'm about to .. ummm .. go.

Sorry, the duplication of my former post was a result of hardware spasticity and an over zealous satellite transmitter. Upon noticing the issue, the offending reiterations have been reduced to only "one" post, although perhaps multiple posts are in order just to emphasize the true nature of the purely platonic relationship between us all.

But, Carlos, just to be clear...since you are being so specific...

TSE???? I have never really heard that term used. Should we define that as a Totally "Singular" Experience (TSE), as in performing a mastibatory hand job on one's self, or does that mean a total "Sexual" experience only with girls, and then is it just hand jobs from girls and nothing more??? We are confused...

El Cabron 007

09-06-07, 14:08

Carlos and I came up with a new 3LA when I was describing my new Infinito girl. She will give you what you think to be a GFE. Oh yes. But in reality, I realize she was a total s.l.u.t thus the new term TSE. Something hotter than a GFE and a hell lot more fun. Leaves you wanting more.

I got me 2 of those. One I had to work hard on and she was my partner-in-crime with almost dumping sweet P. The other I've been trying to shake off but she won't go. She showed up twice in my hotel after I had her later Thursday when I arrived 5 hours late. I think she is missing a couple of screws but definitely got the humps and lovely lady lumps.

But, Carlos, just to be clear...since you are being so specific...

TSE???? I have never really heard that term used. Should we define that as a Totally "Singular" Experience (TSE), as in performing a mastibatory hand job on one's self, or does that mean a total "Sexual" experience only with girls, and then is it just hand jobs from girls and nothing more??? We are confused...

MonterreyDude

09-06-07, 16:51

Yes, me like TSE.

Carlos and I came up with a new 3LA when I was describing my new Infinito girl. She will give you what you think to be a GFE. Oh yes. But in reality, I realize she was a total s.l.u.t thus the new term TSE. Something hotter than a GFE and a hell lot more fun. Leaves you wanting more.

I got me 2 of those. One I had to work hard on and she was my partner-in-crime with almost dumping sweet P. The other I've been trying to shake off but she won't go. She showed up twice in my hotel after I had her later Thursday when I arrived 5 hours late. I think she is missing a couple of screws but definitely got the humps and lovely lady lumps.

El Cabron 007

09-06-07, 16:55

At the end of the day, I look for my happy place and I do not find it. After 16 hours of keystrokes, my fingers are about to have an orgasm. My eyes are weary and mind is fried.

Nothing sooths my pains like a 19 year old Spanish Harlem Monterrey girl with lips like sugar and extra dark chocolate skin that you can not just take one bite of. A juicy box of candy and a extra crispy donut to chew on. Sh*t.

I'd rather be in Monterrey.

I miss my Sexy X.

Wasted

Member #3453

09-07-07, 16:59

this will compliment wastedg's former post...and more fully illustrate the draw that is monterrey.

i am currently traveling in the us on business...and, i am tending to stuff in my hotel room, when i notice three beautiful mexican girls (an embellisment to say the least) cleaning rooms.

ahhhhh, what a wonderful reminiscent fantasy, to be raped and ravaged by them, all three, and for nothing, no money....

well, when they entered my room, i asked them if they spoke english. they replied just a little, "no mucho."

"ok, mi amore, no problema, hablo espanol muy bien, verdad!"

ella dice, "ahhhhh, si, tu eres muy rico, quieres a cojer y chupa mi amore?"

so, all three of them raped me, right here, right in the hotel room...gratis, no money. hahahahahahahah!!! but, don't tell my "g" girl, ok?

not!!! :d but, i wish...

but, i did speak to them in spanish, told them of my undying allegiance to monterrey, my home, and determined their respective orgins in mexico. we were all four of us smiliing a lot.

i sensed an all knowing intrinsic sensibility that they may have intuitively understood the source of my love for their home country...does that count as an intimate exchange between a gringo in his home country and three very likley illegal female aliens?

Mill Just

09-08-07, 10:31

It has been brought to my attention via PM by several of my virtual buddies on the ISG that they want more info brought forth by the most knowledgeable posters in the Monterrey section: Carlos, Uno and Wasted. Now that Uno has his own private detention hall here, maybe you guys can post this info on the regular Monterrey thread.

The info they have mostly requested is:

1) How much are your drinks/chica drinks at the various clubs (Can you even believe that after thousands of posts by you guys, most people have no idea how much certain things cost in the clubs? C'mon guys...).

2) Reviews of the clubs (#of chicas, quality of chicas, etc.)

3) Reviews of the chicas (something that you all refuse to do because of the whole, silly "my girl, your girl" selfish mongering)

4) Safety issues at the clubs (rip-offs, short-changing, etc)

5) A full run down of prices (Salidas, privadas, FS, BJ, HJ, etc)

I just thought I'd pass this on to you guys. It could be a way for Uno and Wasted to overcome their MTY withdrawals and, at the same time, actually contribute some logistical info to the board. Or would you all just like to continue high-fiving eachother for bagging a hooker? :p

Doubt98

09-08-07, 12:51

I speak very little spanish but I have memorized several phrases that get me a room, bus ticket, food, those types of things. What I need to know is when discussing things up front how do you ask for a bj? Not sin condom or anything but just a bj? Also, how do you phrase "multiple pops" or more than 1 time?

I have tried the phrases in the general reports section for Mexico but I probably didn't say it correctly and had a hard time getting my point across. Suggestions please.

One more thing, I can ask for a room, ask to see a room, but how do I ask for a quiet room?

Member #3453

09-08-07, 13:33

The other sections are going to probably continue to seem like they are moving kind of slowly, not much new information, namely because those of us that frequent Monterrey have already commented on the things that may have happened to us when we were last there.

We will, of course, comment in response to direct inquiries, and with pleasure. But, just like in my particular circumstance now, I am simply without specifics to contribute because I am not in Monterrey. So, my comments since leaving Monterrey are going to seem frivoluos right now because I am not there.

I would like to answer your appeal this way, and with all due respect, responding not to you directly MJ, but to any others that are not asking us directly for information but asking through you.

I must remind everyone, just as you pointed out, that this section is for the other aspects of mongering, and open to any and all that want to contribute, and there is no requirement on them they contribute any one certain kind of post. They can contribute psych stuff, sociological stuff, social banter, and all the plethera of meaningless drivel, and not only for the proliferation of information. The "information," while certainly eligible to be posted here, is meant to be disclosed in the "Monterrey" section, or the "Regular Members" Section, or whatever other section "they" wish to create in an effort to squash our fun. I have voluntarily promised not to comment in the "Regular Members" section out of respect for Jackson's appeal, so any inquiries for information originating there will NOT receive a response from me.

I am glad to provide information if asked for it. But, just as I always pointed out, I do not work for Jackson, ISG, or any other board, or benefit financially from contributing information to this or any other board. "Regular Members" have no right to demand or expect anything of we that know the information. We are benevolent in giving them the information to begin with, and we owe them nothing. If we choose to provide information it is out of our of our own desire to be helpful.

If the specific requests come within this section, for my part, I will honor them as a public service, and welcome them specifically from the individual members themselves, just to be helpful, and because I do have a giving spirit, but only up to a point.

The way I see it, if the individual member is too bashful to request the information, they are not really entitled to it, and especially if they aspire to being a thorn in my side, or they are so disengenous as to cause us or me problems when we are quite simply one of the best sources of information about what is actually going on in MTY, and how to approach the club and salida scene successfully.

We have contributed huge volumes of information here over the years, much of which, while admittedly burried in the meaningless posts, is profoundly relevant to mongering in MTY. It is somewhat aggravating to realize that some choose to lurk while also wanting to criticize the content, critique, and/or challenge the value of content, without ever contributing anything at all, not even meaningless, but equally harmless, socializing drivel.

Plus, the contributions, while sometimes cryptic or meaningless to some, have inherent value to others, at least sometimes, depending on what is being commented on. But, it really doesn't matter because the content of my contributions, through my own discipline at maintain my self imposed exile, is voluntarily limited to my own section, and should not be a pock on the Monterrey or Regular Members sections at this juncture.

But, speaking for myself, I'm just a little bored commenting on such things as prices, chicas, etc... It is not really subject matter that interests me, and I just find myself omitting that stuff many times because it is so boringly redundant. It has all been commented on so many times before. Plus, if I could be so bold as to speak for the three of us, with the possible exception of Carlos knowing things that could be useful to the masses about parts of Monterrey that WastedG and I are unfamiliar with, we do not have information on certain other aspects of the MTY venue that I believe are of interest to many, namely the MPs.

You know, our information on the MPs is inaccurate, relatively untimely, and so our information on the MPs really isn't of much use. So, our comments are generally limited to clubbing and salidas. I guess that information is certainly a portion of what others seek, but I get the distinct impression that most inquiring newbies, at least the ones that are disatisfied, want MP information. We simply don't have it.

The information requested with respect to prices have been commented on so many times that to reiterate it would be extraordinarily redundant. I suggest that if we comment on that information one more time, it be immortalized in the reports of distinction area for all to refer to, because, literally, the prices, while changing ever so slightly over the years, have basically remained the same for over five years, and they vary ever so slightly from one club to another depending on whether the club is high end, low end, or medium level.

With respect to specifics about chicas such as names, you know my position on that, but I will reiterate for others so they will know. You will never find me disclosing specific chica information. Currently, I do not have specific chica information. I am married to one Chica these days. And, with respect to her, I am attempting to save her all for myself, and being relatively successful at it. :D Fact is, any that I find, I will save for myself in the future.

I am letting everbody know that in advance right here. It is no secret. Most do not realize it, but these girls go on very few salidas, and frankly, I prefer that to having sloppy seconds from them just because I promoted them to the mongering hords. In other words, what is in it for me to promote them to the mongering hords that read ISG....nothing. And, whether any want to believe it our not, I have been around these girls sufficiently to realize just how little "activity" they actually do see outside their clubs on salida. I admit it, I am selfish. I have a right to be. I do not owe the members a thing. But, I will depart from my selfishness with respect to logistical information if asked directly, but not with respect to "MY" specific chicas...girls I have worked to find, girls that I have cultivated to have a certain attitude. Frankly, I do not want them ruined by pointing the mongering hords in their direction. I admit it. I am selfish...well, at least to a point.

I still provide information if asked, at least information that is of some use logistically anyway. Besides, in all the venues I ever attended, I have never asked for the name of one chica from my friends, not even on the ground when mongering directly with them. I just don't do business that way. I can find my own girls. I choose to find my own girls.

And, as you well know, This "chica non-disclosure" policy of mine is a policy of many other mongers as well, one that not only applies to this board, but one that can also be found on all the other boards. Many other mongers have exactly the same perspective as I do. There are many mongers that have adopted an identical policy for having been sabotaged by individuals that do not really know how to maintain confidentiality with respect to their sources.

I have joined the ranks of those that have finally decided, after getting burned too many times, to simply not disclose the specific names of girls. It simply does not serve "Me" well. And, ultimately, because I have NO stake in the success or failure of ISG, and certainly NO monetary enducement to make ISG "popular," or to pander to the desires of it's members. My own purposes, with respect to my own mongering, takes precident over the betterment of the ISG community over my own detriment. I challenge any members to proclaim they are any less self concerned about their own success mongering than I am. We are all equally selfish. The difference is, I happen to frequent the MTY venue, whereas most of the visiting hords can fuck things up and do not have to deal with the results afterward. I do.

Let them ask us individually, identify themselves to us as wanting the information, asking us specific information in preparation for a trip to MTY, and they will not find a more willing bunch of guys. We will provide them with such a huge amount of information, even meeting them on the ground to assist them in having a good time, that they will simply not believe our commitment to them as individual mongers.

But, to request in shotgun effect, the logistic details we have already reiterated numerous times...I am just without the motivation to do it. Much of what they seek is already in the reports of distinction section anyway. But, I will gladly field their individual questions as long as they don't jeapardize my own fun...no problem. I might even consider documenting the information with assistance of others so we can post something to the reports of distinction section for posterity sake.

But, to reiterate all that we have already commented on so many times in the past, just for the accomodation of guys I am unfamiliar with, and specifically because I am uncertain about their legitimate support of me as a contributor, I am reluctant to make the effort. I will, however, make the effort if specifically asked in preparation for a trip.

It has been brought to my attention via PM by several of my virtual buddies on the ISG that they want more info brought forth by the most knowledgeable posters in the Monterrey section: Carlos, Uno and Wasted. Now that Uno has his own private detention hall here, maybe you guys can post this info on the regular Monterrey thread.

The info they have mostly requested is:

1) How much are your drinks/chica drinks at the various clubs (Can you even believe that after thousands of posts by you guys, most people have no idea how much certain things cost in the clubs? C'mon guys...).

2) Reviews of the clubs (#of chicas, quality of chicas, etc.)

3) Reviews of the chicas (something that you all refuse to do because of the whole, silly "my girl, your girl" selfish mongering)

4) Safety issues at the clubs (rip-offs, short-changing, etc)

5) A full run down of prices (Salidas, privadas, FS, BJ, HJ, etc)

I just thought I'd pass this on to you guys. It could be a way for Uno and Wasted to overcome their MTY withdrawals and, at the same time, actually contribute some logistical info to the board. Or would you all just like to continue high-fiving eachother for bagging a hooker? :p

Member #3453

09-08-07, 15:52

cuanto cuesta para chupar? what does it cost for a suck? and "y sin condom?" "and without a condom?"

most of the girls will not agree to do anything sin condom, period. it is a rule of the house that will cost them their jobs were they to be caught. it does occur with respect to sucking, but not often, and almost never with respect to getting sex from them within the clubs. they just don't want to risk losing their jobs. if they are caught, they will be fired by management, and then they are not able to get a job at any of the clubs that are owned under the same banner as the club they were fired from. there are only about three owners of most of the clubs in the circuit. so, it's serious business to them, and it can have very serious ramifications for them to chance it.

with respect to noisy rooms, i assume you mean from the noise that is deafening in the street, sometimes up until as late a 2-3am each night...it is one of my all time pet peeves about pda.

i always ask them, "tiene un cuarto sin ruido de la calle, quiza uno in el interior del hotel?" "do you have a room without noise from the street, maybe one in the interior of the hotel?"

carlos can proof read my spanish and make any corrections, but i am always able to get my point across. ask them for an interior room, and they are usually quite a bit better, especially if you stay at plaza del arco. i hope that helps.

i speak very little spanish but i have memorized several phrases that get me a room, bus ticket, food, those types of things. what i need to know is when discussing things up front how do you ask for a bj? not sin condom or anything but just a bj? also, how do you phrase "multiple pops" or more than 1 time?

i have tried the phrases in the general reports section for mexico but i probably didn't say it correctly and had a hard time getting my point across. suggestions please.

one more thing, i can ask for a room, ask to see a room, but how do i ask for a quiet room?

MonterreyDude

09-08-07, 16:42

am giving you an "a" for spanish... lacked tiny bit to get the "+".
some cookies might help....!

cuanto cuesta para chupar? what does it cost for a suck? and "y sin condom?" "and without a condom?"

most of the girls will not agree to do anything sin condom, period. it is a rule of the house that will cost them their jobs were they to be caught. it does occur with respect to sucking, but not often, and almost never with respect to getting sex from them within the clubs. they just don't want to risk losing their jobs. if they are caught, they will be fired by management, and then they are not able to get a job at any of the clubs that are owned under the same banner as the club they were fired from. there are only about three owners of most of the clubs in the circuit. so, it's serious business to them, and it can have very serious ramifications for them to chance it.

with respect to noisy rooms, i assume you mean from the noise that is deafening in the street, sometimes up until as late a 2-3am each night...it is one of my all time pet peeves about pda.

i always ask them, "tiene un cuarto sin ruido de la calle, quiza uno in el interior del hotel?" "do you have a room without noise from the street, maybe one in the interior of the hotel?"

carlos can proof read my spanish and make any corrections, but i am always able to get my point across. ask them for an interior room, and they are usually quite a bit better, especially if you stay at plaza del arco. i hope that helps.

Member #3453

09-08-07, 16:56

Am giving you an "A" for Spanish... lacked tiny bit to get the "+".
Some cookies might help....!

Aye Chihuahua...a compliment???

Muchisimas Gracias.... how do you say muchismas, muxxchisimas, muchisomous, machomismus...

Some cookies are in the freezer awaiting my next trip. And, I have to make a few more. But, of course, they have your name on them. Did you like the last batch, that big bag I left for you? You see, with "G" monopolizing my time, you get many more cookies than before. I had so many left last time because I wasn't in the clubs.

I have to say, yesterday, I got some cookies from a very well respected bakery. I was, frankly, very disappointed. You simply can not buy the USB quality of selection, not even in a very expensive professionally run bakery. It is very discouraging...downright appalling. I remember in the old days, you could buy the very best quality from a fine, expensive bakery.

I also gave the same size big bag to "G" too before I left. I just never got a chance to go to the clubs,, and the cookies were not distributed with the same frequency. I just had to repay my "G" girl for her attitude. My "G" girl is a nymphomaniac...THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MonterreyDude

09-08-07, 16:58

Iam posting here but I will carry this discussion further in the regular Monterrey Thread.

Mill... usually I give this info when a member PMs me, since I will be answering especific questions that comes to his mind. After a few exchange of messages I leave him all set for his trip to Monterrey.
Am always glad to help out.

But you are right, once in a while it doesn't hurt to tell.

Answers to the info they have mostly requested is:
1. Five star clubs: Prestige, Premiere, Amnesia, Poisson (110-240 pesos). Obession (80-120 pesos)
Moderate priced clubs (110 pesos)
Mid to low end (50-80 pesos)

2. This is virtualy imposible. By next week it will be yesterday news. What I think really needs updating are the clubs by themselves. Many changes in these past months.

3. Not practial. Mill, you youself posted in your Morelia thread that the girls treat you different from the rest of the customers. Same story here. The girls we see treat us in a different level, one that can only be obtained by lots of visits and money invested over a period of time.
And also, like Wasted and Uno, we only see a minimum number of girls. That would be repeating all the post already written.

4. We have always posted the general safety of Monterrey. That implies that the whole system is safe. A little rotten now, but still safe. Ripp-offs.. well, that is another story, it always depends on the waiter, not the club.

5. This I agree. I will post it later, cause it is BIG. Remember, it is not just one club. Monterrey has over 20 SC that are just in the main downtown area and a similar number in the periphery.

It has been brought to my attention via PM by several of my virtual buddies on the ISG that they want more info brought forth by the most knowledgeable posters in the Monterrey section: Carlos, Uno and Wasted. Now that Uno has his own private detention hall here, maybe you guys can post this info on the regular Monterrey thread.

The info they have mostly requested is:

1) How much are your drinks/chica drinks at the various clubs (Can you even believe that after thousands of posts by you guys, most people have no idea how much certain things cost in the clubs? C'mon guys...).

2) Reviews of the clubs (#of chicas, quality of chicas, etc.)

3) Reviews of the chicas (something that you all refuse to do because of the whole, silly "my girl, your girl" selfish mongering)

4) Safety issues at the clubs (rip-offs, short-changing, etc)

5) A full run down of prices (Salidas, privadas, FS, BJ, HJ, etc)

I just thought I'd pass this on to you guys. It could be a way for Uno and Wasted to overcome their MTY withdrawals and, at the same time, actually contribute some logistical info to the board. Or would you all just like to continue high-fiving eachother for bagging a hooker? :p

Mill Just

09-09-07, 01:07

I have had a long-standing disagreement with Uno about the function of the ISG and I guess Uno's Personal Detention Hall is as good a place as any to have a nice, respectful re-hash for a bit. Uno, you're a good guy, but you just get too tucked up inside yourself. So...Let's Get Ready to Ruuuummmmbblle!!! ;)

I am glad to provide information if asked for it. But, just as I always pointed out, I do not work for Jackson, ISG, or any other board, or benefit financially from contributing information to this or any other board. "Regular Members" have no right to demand or expect anything of we that know the information. We are benevolent in giving them the information to begin with, and we owe them nothing. If we choose to provide information it is out of our of our own desire to be helpful.

See, again, Uno, for a bright guy you always seem to just barely miss the point. The ISG is precisely for posting trip reports and sharing info on mongering destinations. It was most definitely not set up to share info on a "need to know" basis.

If you don't want to share general info with everyone, the ISG is the wrong place to be. Sounds to me like you want a private, members only google or yahoo page where you can exchange info among the few of you- similar to Carlos' "Extracurricular" group.

As contributors here we have to see ourselves as something akin to newspaper reporters who have signed on with the responsibility to inform others. Just our presence here should mean that we are willing to share information in the public forum and not make others come to us.

No one poster is greater than the ISG as a whole. This is not about making Uno more important or making Mill more important; It's about bringing benefit to the other mongers out there. No one should have to come to you to get the information they need. That information should be readily available for ALL to see. When we get too full of ourselves as contributors, the result is a lot of high-fiving eachother and ego-boosting, but not a lot of real, informative posts. Some people prefer not to PM, but do contribute their trip reports. Some people are uncomfortable with the social aspect of mongering (i.e. giving away any personal info that may reveal their identities...After all, this IS a clandestine hobby).

But, speaking for myself, I'm just a little bored commenting on such things as prices, chicas, etc... It is not really subject matter that interests me, and I just find myself omitting that stuff many times because it is so boringly redundant. It has all been commented on so many times before...The information requested with respect to prices have been commented on so many times that to reiterate it would be extraordinarily redundant.

I beg to differ. I am an almost obsessive reader of the entire Mexico section of the ISG so I can keep up to date on any and all info and I read the majority of the posts in the other sections as well. I would be hard-pressed to recall any pricing information from MTY. And if I, a voracious reader of everything related to Mexican mongering and faithful Senior Member for years upon years, can't recall any real info, then what are others to do? The only idea of pricing I ever got is when I sent a coupld of PM's out.

I do think that making your section was a stroke of genius from Jackson, but it didn't have the intended result. That result was intended to be a Monterrey section exclusively for logistal info and trip reports. Maybe all that logistics info has been stated in the very distant past, but who has the time and desire to wade through dozens of off-topic posts to get through to the one post, buried way deep inside, that has to do with logistics? And what if the member joined within the last couple of years when, most definitely, very little logistical info was mentioned?

With respect to specifics about chicas such as names, you know my position on that, but I will reiterate for others so they will know. You will never find me disclosing specific chica information. Currently, I do not have specific chica information. I am married to one Chica these days. And, with respect to her, I am attempting to save her all for myself, and being relatively successful at it. :D Fact is, any that I find, I will save for myself in the future.

I think what people refer to when they say "chica info" is not necessarily for specific names and phone numbers, although that is a great service that many decent mongers do provide. I think most mongers appreciate knowing what physical types are available at certain clubs because many of us have physical preferences and some clubs are better than others with respect to having the types of chicas that we are personally attracted to.

These girls are hookers, after all, and we are logged into a message board dedicaded to finding service with hookers...do the math.

However, I do respect a desire not to share. I generally don't share my private stash with people I can't personally vouch for. In those cases, then, what's the point of me bringing up what I do with these chicas? I mean, if I refuse to share their names and I know that I am getting service from them that is very, very atypical of what a general monger may get from them...then what's the point of mentioning it? Who am I benefitting by talking about a chica who the reader will never know providing me with a GFE that the reader will never get? Posting like that would serve no other purpose than to make me feel better and, while its great therapy to make oneself feel better, what general good does it do for the ISG and, more specifically, for my brother mongers out there who look to the ISG as a source of hard info?

Let me tell y'all, I get dozens of PMs about how difficult it is to get info from the MTY section. You guys are the best sources of info out there so don't be so stingy. What would it hurt to post a quarterly update on prices and services? They do such things on other boards. This is not about bragging rights or high fives, we should be happy to post any info we have to all who are willing to read it. (Thanks to Carlos, who I see has already done this in the Monterrey section.)

Again, No ONE poster is greater than the ISG...regardless of how much info he has.

There, now you can hit me low, gouge my eyes and continue with business as usual.

Have Fun,

Mill

Member #3453

09-09-07, 03:57

I have had a long-standing disagreement with Uno about the function of the ISG

MJ, I don't want you to believe that I would attack you for your opinions. I don't necessarily disagree with what you are saying. It's just that I feel that I have already contributed the information...If I am isolated here in my own section, it is purely my own preference.

I have every capability of commenting within the Monterrey Section, and I am even free to comment among the "Regular Members" Section if I want to. But, I choose to respect those that wish to have their own section without my interference...But, it is purely voluntary on my part. I am not treading on anyone elses opportunities to post, or threatening, or intimidating, or anything else...they have their own section. They can ask their questions there, or here, or in the Monterrey Section...makes no difference to me. But, of course, if they ask within the "Regular Members" Section, I will NOT be responding there.

I simply don't see where I can add to the information I have already posted, if you are also taking into consideration my policies about witholding information about specific chicas. I have commented in detail with respect to every nuance associated with mongering in MTY.

Plus, if I were to research the depth of my reports over the last five years, I could find a huge amount of specific pricing information, even specific observations about certain clubs, and even some very specific observations about the selection of girls in MTY, mostly critical.

Granted, it's sometimes burried in the other posts. But, steps have been taken to remedy that by posting to the "Reports of Distinction" Section, and also creating a place where we that wish to socialize can do so within the USB section. The information that your friends seek is easily available in the "Reports of Distinction" Section, that according to Prokofiev, not even according to my own words. Or, if they want to make inquiries, I am at their service.

MJ, below is what Prokofiev posted in the "Reports of Distinction" Section only a few months ago, information that I originated with respect to the clubs, and he originated with respect to the MPs. He posted it to make it available to all so they can easily access it without having to wade through the drivel over the last couple of years.

I would gladly update any changes, but I really don't know of any...If some have specific questions that they want me elaborate on, I will gladly do so, but I would like a little bit of guidance as to specifics that have been left unanswered...or must I read minds as to what they are wanting to know? I am not typically accused of being brief or lacking of thorough commentary about any subject on this board, so I really don't know what more I can say.

Carlos may have some things that he feels are important to post in addition to my post, but it isn't like I have abandoned the membership by not contributing information. This informtion that was posted is NOT outdated. I really don't know what more I could be expected to contribute. I am, in addition to admittedly contributing a lot of drivel, one of the most prolific posters of informaton on the Monterrey Section of ISG, if not the most prolific.

I rest my case... :D No, problems here, peace...and, yes, business as usual within the USB section, just as was stated when the USB section was created.

And, I quote Prokofiev...

To All:

Below are several posts that should be of service to the first-time Monterrey traveler:

Monterrey Clubs

A Report about Clubs and club prices by USB is here:

http://www.internationalsexguide.in...&postcount=1489

Monterrey Massage Parlors

A Report about massage parlors in Monterrey by Prokofiev is here:

http://www.internationalsexguide.in...&postcount=1492

For OT and other non-sex things to do in Monterrey see this:

http://www.internationalsexguide.in...1&postcount=483

MonterreyDude

09-09-07, 05:29

I posted this outside the USB Thread but the center of attention is no doubt USB
Am posting it over here too....

Mill Just passed along several questions that are valid.
(See post and questions further down)
But I have some observations.

Monterrey has been visited by many mongers that have consulted this Thread, not to mention other mongers from other forums.
Here and in the other ones, I have been asked to help them out on their visits, so has USB.
I think both USB and me have tried our best to pull them thru.

It is their prerogative, but coming close to none, no one has posted their experiences here in the city.
It is vital to see fresh point of views, but it is also the choice of the monger if he wants to post or not.
More or less I have always prefered to see the interpretation of this experience, to know what he thinks of the city, the clubs, the girls, than to read posts on the specific adventure with a girl.
You know, a human being will act different with me and will act different with Wasted. I have girls that do not like Wasted, girls that adore him (above money and a FS), and so do I. I had a girl at the Prestige that would leave whom so ever customer she is sitting to come over with me.

I have been asked for names, and I do give out names, but only when PMed, never in the open.
Here is why: As usual, there are those that print the forum page and carry it to the club and show it to the girls and tell them "look, the club in the web and here it says that you do such and such things".

You guys know how many times I've heard this? TONS, not many, TONS.

My Harem girls told me 2 weeks ago that one of my members of my Monterrey Yahoo group (like the ISG, but local) aproached her with not one print out, but with 5 pages worth of info and he was going throught the girls mentioned there AND showing her and telling her that they were famous cause all the guys were sharing their info.
My girl asked me "do you know that in the internet there is a webpage that has club info" and comissioned me to search it and come back and tell her about it.

This is one of the reasons why I opt not to do names, hell I should opt not to do anything, but I still do it cause I want to help guys coming down here.

I'll be back... gotta run.
Any thoughts on this?????

Mill Just

09-09-07, 13:08

Monterrey has been visited by many mongers that have consulted this Thread, not to mention other mongers from other forums.
Here and in the other ones, I have been asked to help them out on their visits, so has USB.
I think both USB and me have tried our best to pull them thru.

It is their prerogative, but coming close to none, no one has posted their experiences here in the city.
It is vital to see fresh point of views, but it is also the choice of the monger if he wants to post or not.

Have you ever thought that it is precisely the whole "Gang of 3" mentality that keeps people from posting? The Monterrey section had become such a pen-pal league that few, unless they were part of the "inside crowd," even bothered to post.

When these threads get turned into a private Myspace section, people get turned off. You don't hear it because they just don't post. Nobody wants to be on the outside and many, many people do not want to communiate personally with the other members here. Some are very jittery about meeting with other hobbyists and they have every right to feel the way they do. Others, who don't share the same likes as the "Gang of 3" get pulled apart by these very same guys, called amateurs or belittled for their own personal tastes and hit with insults like: "well, if you like dumb, mechanical release" or "it takes NO skill..." or "Nothing was worth my time." Who would ever want to posts here again after getting hit like that?

No one of you guys is guiltier than the next, but its the gang mentality of this Myspace style of board domination that leads people to stop contributing. Go back a few years and you'll see many, many different contributors...all of whom probably still monger in Monterrey, but don't even see the point in posting their info on the ISG anymore.

Now that Uno has his section, things may start to go back to normal. But my point was not that you guys shouldn't ever go off topic or speak about issues loosely related to mongering- but you shouldn't do so at the expense of hard info.

Another thing that I know turns people off is the whole silly, "my girl, your girl things." Come on guys, that's just goofy. If you feel that way about "your" girl, then why even mention them? I'll repeat myself from my previous post to Uno:

...I mean, if I refuse to share their names and I know that I am getting service from them that is very, very atypical of what a general monger may get from them...then what's the point of mentioning it? Who am I benefitting by talking about a chica who the reader will never know providing me with a GFE that the reader will never get?...These girls are hookers, after all, and we are logged into a message board dedicaded to finding service with hookers...do the math.

Again, this is not an attack on you guys personally because I like you guys. It's just a suggestion to try to fulfill the mission statement of the ISG while still being able to high-five each other and pat each other on the back.

Mill Just

09-09-07, 13:24

MJ....etc, etc...

I'm aware of the Reports of Distinction thread and I'm also aware that that info is dated mid-March, we are almost in mid-September..and that link had to be posted by Proko because you yourself would've been hard-pressed to look that info up if you had to.

Uno, that is a report with a certain amount of info, but nothing worthy of you as an experienced monger or of MTY as the venue it is. I guess what I'm referring to is an occasional listing and review of the various clubs, similar to what you asked of me about the clubs of Morelia- something you can dig into and do a real advanced scouting mission before actually visiting the venue.

That info from March had to by forced out of you, because you had no intention of bothering to write it. And before that? When was the last time logistics info was brought about before that one post in question?

I guess I'm not expressing myself to you well enough or, maybe, you're just not understanding me. (Do you read my entire posts or do you just skim through them like most people, even your famous friends, do with your posts? If you read my entire posts, maybe I have to go back to college and re-take my journalism course :) because I just can't get my point across to you.)

Oh well, what's the point? Y'all can go back to doing what makes you happy. What did the "G" girl think when she saw the "X" girl talking to the "P" girl?

Member #3453

09-09-07, 15:02

Uno, that is a report with a certain amount of info, but nothing worthy of you as an experienced monger or of MTY as the venue it is.

Let me begin by saying that I like you too MJ, and I do not take your comments as picking a fight, or being disengenous, or anything else...and, I believe you're articulating what some would prefer to see in content.

But, have you ever stopped to think about the fact that there is another gang at work other than the gang of three.

Personally, I consider you part of the gang of three, I mean four...I think you are attempting to be concilliatory, and attempting to play the peace maker, to speak for the other gang that enjoys working behind the scenes. And, your participation can be construed as nothing other than a part of the gang of three. Just check out your own former posts. You are a part of the supposed problem, verdad? So, you can tell your detrators to "fuck off." :D

I do not agree with what is being accused. What I am saying here should not be construed as having a personal element to it, or as overly aggressive. I am just being "creative," and what I say, and how I am saying it is meant to be tongue in cheek, not even intended to threaten or focus on my detractors.

I appreciate their point of view, and understand the range of "reports" that some would prefer to see. With respect to the information contained in the "Reports of Distinction" Section that I formerly wrote, that detail really hasn't changed, and what has changed, I have commented on over the past several months in subsequent specific trip reports in the Monterrey section, reports that are on-point with respect to detail, some containing the very things my detractors seem to want to know, reports that primarily are not of the typical USB philosophical content. I was careful, unless responding directly to commentary aimed squarely at me, to limit my reports in the Monterrey section to specifically detailed reports about the very things that my detractors say they want to know about the clubs, the girls, the prices, etc...

I guess one of my former points to you is...By what legitimate right do "they" criticize those of us that choose to post in the USB Section, even if we choose to post nothing elsewhere, with regard to content, without first making some of their own contributions to the Sections that have been reserved for their participation, unencumbered by me and/or my supposed ravings, or the postings of mis amigos?

That was one of Carlos' points as well. Where are the comments and contributions of the others that visit MTY, especially after we have provided the kind of detail we ARE famous for, assistance on the ground, PMs behind the scenes, logistically helping them beyond your wildest imagination, etc...and even after the other Sections were made available to them to post their experiences unencumbered by our supposed intimidating style.

There have been some guys that have followed up, and we have NOT attacked their reports or comments. That is a charge that stems from a time before we vowed to reform our approach.

We haven't attacked anyone specifically unless they directly attack us individually, not even in the USB Section, which to my memory, is something that has not occurred in the recent past. If I make comments in the USB Section, they are generalized commentary, nothing aimed specifically at anyone in particular (ie: using the terms lurkers, amateurs, etc...mostly tongue in cheek). But, if my comments offend my detractors, they are free NOT TO READ MY SECTION, verdad? I thought that is why we created the USB Section, and the other TWO Sections that were reserved for the "sensitive."

IMHO, the critics have no legitimate justification to expect the "three amigos" to provide them with detailed reports, all to a very specific format, all to a specific range of detail, all according to their demands, not even if they contributed something to the board or not. Frankly, "they" are apparently asking the "three amigos" to post, post, post, but to simultaneously shut-up, shut-up, shut-up.

You say that my detractos articulate that "it is not about me." but, it is about me, we are in the USB Section. I don't want it be about me necessarily, but as long was we are in the USB Section, it is about me, or more accurately, it is about my brand of commentary, the way I enjoy it. My detractors have their own other TWO Sections.

First, several months ago, the USB Section was created for a specific purpose, to give those of us that desired that kind of format, "G" girl this, "P" girl that, I miss my "X" girl, etc...a place to do so without criticism. Those that were opposed to it, or offended by it, or tired of it, or intimidated by it, or thought it was stupid, or anything else, were given the opportunity to proliferate within the Monterrey Section, and now, most recently, even another separate venue, the "Regular Members" Section.

I can't help that the USB Section is growing at ten times the rate of the Monterrey Section, or that many seem to prefer to ask their questions in the USB Section versus the Monterrey Section, or that the PMs that Carlos and me handle, to the tune of several PMs a week for information, is still as strong as ever. I don't care where they ask the questions. I will gladly answer them provided they are not asking them in the "Regular Members" Section. I am, after all, a "nice guy," and I will help where I can, when I can.

I am open to all commentary in "MY" Section, and I welcome your comments. I don't agree with the conclusions that some reach about the three amigos and our supposed negative affect on the ISG Monterrey board, but diverse opionions are welcome none the less. I prefer to issue a rebuttal, even to opinions that I strongly disagree with, versus having virtually nothing to read and respond to, which is the alternative that seemingly prevails in the Monterrey Section and the Regular Members Section. Those sections could be more, but...the "lurkers," the "detractors," the "amateurs..." where are they??? They are collectively letting those that are disatisfied down, not us.

It just seems to me that the "three amigos" are being criticized that we are just not providing the range of constant "entertainment" that some seek, when we are merely attempting to exist within ISG, and according to ISG's (Jackson's) apparent ideal. We are cooperating as best we know how, and yet "we" are still drawing criticisms that we offend our detractors, even still, and that we are still not providing what some say they are looking for.

That was the point of my saying that I do not work for the members of ISG, for Jackson, for ISG, for my detractors, or for anyone else. I am not a journalist, an employee of CNN, or ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, or ISG...I have come to realize that if I choose to submit detailed reports that meet one person's expectations, it will simply not be sufficient to satisfy somebody elses expectations. I am a freelancer...I am not compensated by anybody to deliver any kind of standard of anything.

I am an "arteeeest" :D

So, why should I concern myself with whether my contributions are to a "journalistic" standard? I have only myself to please.

It just seems that no matter what we attempt to do, and no matter how accomodating we attempt to be, we will never please the detractors. So, being the Cabrone that I most surely am, my attitude is to say "fuck it," (said with a smile, and without any malice whatsoever, not even toward my detractors :D).

For my part, I am going to write what I choose to write with respect to report content, and contribute specifics if asked to do so, and gladly. I will consider your request that we supply the type of information that some have indicated they prefer to see, and I might, due to an apparent demand that exists from the "silent minority" consider including that kind of information in the future, but we are not obligated in any way to supply them with it, and we certainly do not deserve to be criticized for not providing it to the exact specifications that each an every member of ISG prefers.

Just to be perfectly clear, I am primarily logging into ISG for one reason, for "ME." I openly admit it, and I make no claims that I am here for any other reason than for my own enjoyment and gratification. If I decide to give information, then it is strictly out of my own benevolence that I do so, and I am under NO obligation, just as the lurkers, and detractors have no apparent obligation to openly contribute "squat" either.

MonterreyDude

09-09-07, 17:52

Mill... tell me one thing.
(And please read PS below)
Being local your self at Morelia, how long is a post valid?
Specially an MP post?
No more than one month.

How long is a SC post valid? no more than 3 months.

The Monterrey Thread for Regular Members now exists so the 3 amigos won't interfere any longer... let see if someone posts.

You'll be surprised and I tell you by experience from my Yahoo Group that literally there are hundreds of people that read the posts, take advantage of them and then give nothing in return, not even a "Thank you guys".

And at the same time I am talking 10-20 guys that go to the clubs and blow everyting to hell by telling the girls there is a local internet group taking about the girls.

And Iam talking an average of 750 posts per month in one single thread, no spam.

That is way above what is posted here in the ISG thread and believe me, by now after 7 years of moderating that group I know what the preferences are what is liked and what is disliked.

And it goes like this:

Guys that favor SC are more likeable to join in the fun and go in groups to the clubs.

Guys that favor MPs are individuals that prefer to do their rounds by themselves, keep the info to themselves and seldom share.

Both together are oil and water. But of course that is the mayority with exceptions.
And who are those exceptions, the guys that like to post regularly.
The rest of the guys do not care to benefit the forum at all.

PS: Mill, everything is pointing out that Iam going to Morelia. Might PM you during the week. Need hotel recomendations.

I'm aware of the Reports of Distinction thread and I'm also aware that that info is dated mid-March, we are almost in mid-September..and that link had to be posted by Proko because you yourself would've been hard-pressed to look that info up if you had to.

Uno, that is a report with a certain amount of info, but nothing worthy of you as an experienced monger or of MTY as the venue it is. I guess what I'm referring to is an occasional listing and review of the various clubs, similar to what you asked of me about the clubs of Morelia- something you can dig into and do a real advanced scouting mission before actually visiting the venue.

That info from March had to by forced out of you, because you had no intention of bothering to write it. And before that? When was the last time logistics info was brought about before that one post in question?

I guess I'm not expressing myself to you well enough or, maybe, you're just not understanding me. (Do you read my entire posts or do you just skim through them like most people, even your famous friends, do with your posts? If you read my entire posts, maybe I have to go back to college and re-take my journalism course :) because I just can't get my point across to you.)

Oh well, what's the point? Y'all can go back to doing what makes you happy. What did the "G" girl think when she saw the "X" girl talking to the "P" girl?

Mill Just

09-09-07, 19:36

Carlos, I am sending out the red carpet to the dry cleaners just in case you can make it. And I'd be happy to help with whatever...

The International Film Festival in Morelia is a blast, so much so that last year I didn't even get around to seeing a single movie! But I did meet Salma Hayek a couple of years back...

And with regards to the other stuff: It's just a sad fact that only a handful of people will ever bother to pay back a message board for the help that it has provided them.

That's the primary reason I post on the ISG- as a payback to the ISG and to all the other veterans who helped me out when I was a newbie in the game. But most people are ingrates. However, that shouldn't deter us from offering information in a non-conditional manner.

Mill... tell me one thing.
(And please read PS below)
Being local your self at Morelia, how long is a post valid?
Specially an MP post?
No more than one month.

How long is a SC post valid? no more than 3 months.

The Monterrey Thread for Regular Members now exists so the 3 amigos won't interfere any longer... let see if someone posts.

You'll be surprised and I tell you by experience from my Yahoo Group that literally there are hundreds of people that read the posts, take advantage of them and then give nothing in return, not even a "Thank you guys".

And at the same time I am talking 10-20 guys that go to the clubs and blow everyting to hell by telling the girls there is a local internet group taking about the girls.

And Iam talking an average of 750 posts per month in one single thread, no spam.

That is way above what is posted here in the ISG thread and believe me, by now after 7 years of moderating that group I know what the preferences are what is liked and what is disliked.

And it goes like this:

Guys that favor SC are more likeable to join in the fun and go in groups to the clubs.

Guys that favor MPs are individuals that prefer to do their rounds by themselves, keep the info to themselves and seldom share.

Both together are oil and water. But of course that is the mayority with exceptions.
And who are those exceptions, the guys that like to post regularly.
The rest of the guys do not care to benefit the forum at all.

PS: Mill, everything is pointing out that Iam going to Morelia. Might PM you during the week. Need hotel recomendations.

Mill Just

09-09-07, 19:49

I think you are attempting to be concilliatory, and attempting to play the peace maker, to speak for the other gang that enjoys working behind the scenes.

Precisely. I want the best of both worlds because all content has its place here.

Just to be perfectly clear, I am primarily logging into ISG for one reason, for "ME." I openly admit it, and I make no claims that I am here for any other reason than for my own enjoyment and gratification. If I decide to give information, then it is strictly out of my own benevolence that I do so, and I am under NO obligation, just as the lurkers, and detractors have no apparent obligation to openly contribute "squat" either.

But this is where we differ. I only post here in the hope of benefitting the other members, whether they acknowledge me or not. I have no need for info any longer, because I can handle myself and I can fall into pretty much any mongering scene and handle myself. Sure, it's nice when guys send me a thank you or, better, when they post their own info, but I know that most people will not post. I know that most people are ingrates and just take the info without ever thinking of contributing, but that's the nature of the beast when it comes to these things.

However, I continue to post here as a pay back to the ISG and to the other veteran mongers out there who took the time to educate me when I was a newbie. I continue to post because of the guys who provided so much info with no desire other than to just share info with a bunch of anonymous sinners looking to get laid in a foreign land.

I don't post to necessarily entertain myself, although its a nice thing when it happens. I post so that I can try to help educate the future generation of mongers as well as my predecessors educated me.

Member #3453

09-09-07, 21:19

But this is where we differ.

I appreciate you feeling an obligation to pay back in kind. That is precisely one of a combination of reasons I choose to contribute. But, in all honesty, I log onto ISG to be entertained, and not to pay back. Were I to represent myself any differently would be a misrepresentation of my personal motives. If I logged onto ISG strictly for the reason to pay back, I would soon probably lose interest, and incrementally, I would eventually lose the motivation to be so benevolent. Besides, I have contributed already far more than I feel an obligation to contribute. If I contribute now, it is strictly for the self satisfaction in knowing that I have helped somebody out. But, I do understand a commitment of obligation to repay in kind.

I guess we agree on there being a duality of purpose in this and other boards. If you visit some of the other boards, the duality of purpose, information/comradre becomes significantly more evident than on ISG, which is, frankly, too poorly organized for such duality of purpose to exist and flourish to the point of the varied purposes complimenting each other.

But, perhaps now the way things are fragmented into multiple Sections, it will serve to cause less of a conflict with respect to the purposes clashing with one another. I hope so...

Whome69

09-10-07, 04:28

Offically, for the record, THANK YOU.

Even though I am generally a lurker...I do enjoy the information, including the emotional aspect of it that "the group" provides. I have dated a number of women from Mexico and even a few where I met, "you know where" for an ultimate GFE. I have even taken a couple on vacations with me for some great fun. Once you get past the jaded part, they are just like any other woman.

Eventually, I will get to Monterry for some fun since I live in McAllen, just a hop and skip from you.

Member #3453

09-10-07, 14:16

Whome69,

Make sure you look us up when you make your next trip to MTY. We like to bring as many guys into the gang as we can...it's always more fun that way. And I agree with every thing you said. They are all women first, and at least with respect to at least some of them, once you get them past their jaded attitudes, and if you work at making them know you on a different level, it can be absolute bliss. That, or course, takes work, and possibly a slightly different attitude toward them to begin with, along with a healthy dose of skepticism and suspicion throughout the process. But, eventually, the sincerity behind their initial "acts" becomes evident, and you can come away with a relatively strong GFE that has relatively strong legitimate overtones. It can be complicated, and you can get caught in the sites of some that are certainly disengenuous, but eventually, if you read people well, you can separate the wheat from the chaffe.

I am not one to be fishing for a thank you, but it is nice of you to say so.

Offically, for the record, THANK YOU.

Even though I am generally a lurker...I do enjoy the information, including the emotional aspect of it that "the group" provides. I have dated a number of women from Mexico and even a few where I met, "you know where" for an ultimate GFE. I have even taken a couple on vacations with me for some great fun. Once you get past the jaded part, they are just like any other woman.

Eventually, I will get to Monterry for some fun since I live in McAllen, just a hop and skip from you.

Whome69

09-11-07, 04:55

I think the key to getting past these girl's defenses. Is more than what you say but by your actions. They have probably heard EVERYTHING that we can think of. Lets face it, there are some real assholes out there.

If you see them on a regular basis, treat them with respect and take them out for some fun before you retire to the Hotel, they will even think of you as a be/F of some type. This is happened me more than once. One woman in particular, she labeled me her, "Sunday Novio". Sunday was her day off but she spent Sunday nights with me after her kids went to bed. We would go to the movies, coffee, dinner, dancing, ect. For me, it suited me since I didn't want a heavy relationship with any woman. And I guess, it worked for her too. Even though I paid her, the money would vary and she never said anything.

Maybe that old cliche fits, "Treat your wife like a ***** and your ***** like a lady?"

Member #3453

09-11-07, 04:56

A particular scenario keeps coming to mind, something that happened on this last trip. I feel the need to post it because it haunts me. I've been visiting with a particular girl now in Prestige for about a year or so. I will refer to her as my "J" girl, not to be confused with any of WastedG's "J" series.

Anyway, this girl has stood me up several times after having promised to meet me outside the club after work, etc...at least for about a year now. You know the routine, girls making all kinds of promises, then not showing up, or when you call them on their cell phones they have some kind of excuse.

I just thought this particular girl was simply leading me on so I would buy her drinks, and at first, I was kind of aggravated, but over time, I finally just decided that she was one of the "vestal virgins" that Carlos refers to from time to time. I like this girl, and I think she could have GFE potential...call it a sixth sense...I should know, right?

Anyway, I just finally resolved myself to the fact that I was never ever going to get her out of the club for some after hours action, so I just decided to give up on asking her, and to simply buy her a token drink or two in the club, just to enjoy her company now and then. I have all but given up on her completely, and now I just consider her a friend (?), someone that offers me probably no potential for anything other than a peck on the cheek in the club, some lip locking action when nobody is looking, and some carino as I sit and drool over her beautiful, perfectly shaped breasts.

Carlos once told me she was discouraged at having to put me off everytime I would ask her to meet me outside the club, and that she was tired of having to deflect my propositions to her. He kept insisting to me that she is married, etc...Although, I have varified with her numerous times now, and most recently on this last trip, that she is divorced, and not married. She told me very definitely that she is NOT attached at home, and has no esposo. She does have a child at home, and according to her, the child does keep her relatively restricted in her extra curricular outside activities.

Ok, so fine...I just decided that she was not worth all the work, and that I would just give up on her. Verinto!!! (Is that right Carlos??? I Give UP!)

Well, in the meantime, I started up this "romance" with my "G" girl, even bringing her once, two months ago, to Prestige to sample the buffet, and to show her where we all go in the afternoon for lunch. She was curious, and I thought it would be interesting to see the reactions of all parties. Of course, such a crass display, after all the girls saw that I have other options outside their bar, seems to have resulted in my being perceived perhaps differently than before.

I am always being advised to send the message to all of the girls that they are not my only option in town. It seems that by bringing my "G' girl to Prestige, I have not only demonstrated to "G" that there are many beautiful and interested options in MTY, but also that I have other options outside of Prestige. By this demonstration to the girls in Prestige, especially to all the girls that are in denial, and seemingly believe they are the only game in town because they are the "hoity-toity" high end bar girls, they are now on notice and aware that there is another stark reality.

It seems that the girls realize that I am not drooling over them, and more importantly, that they are not the only game in town, not for my drink money, not for my salida money, and not for my time, etc...I think by bringing my "G" girl to their party it sent a message that has served me advantageously. But, the true advantages of such a display remain to be seen. Who knows...I mean, I don't really know, but it is kind of an interesting thing to contemplate when you consider the strategy issues associated with these games we play in the clubs, and especially with respect to sending the girls messages that they have competition.

We can tell the girls they have competition. We can even tell them how many girls we have. But, nothing is quite so sobering as to actually witness your competition sitting right in front of you, chomping down on the buffet. This is proof beyond a shadow of a doubt. It serves to prove that we are not just full of balogna, but that we actually do have flesh and blood options on the outside.

It occurs to me that in the past, I have not really spent much money in Prestige on buying drinks for the girls. Most of them consider me a waste of time. Most of them have been told I have other options, but many of them formerly believed I was just playing games in their bar, showing up for the buffet, limiting my purchase of drinks for them, handing out cookies and candy.

Most of them consider me to be a bad customer for them. But, now I believe that by bringing a girl into Prestige from the outside, it demonstrates that I am indeed somebody's good customer. I am hopeful that it has demonstrated to all the "vestal virgins" and/or the "conceited" girls within Prestige, that their acts fall short, and that they are not as "wonderful" as they believe themselve to be. For if it were not the case, I would be spending money on them, and not on a girl from the low end bars. It is their stark reality.

And, with respect to my "G" girl, I can't tell you how much this has demonstrated to her that I have many other interested options in MTY. This, along with the photos of my girlfriends in Indonesia, Thailand, the PI, Colombia, Costa Rica, etc...along with my knowledge of many other clubs in MTY, seems to serve me well even with respect to my "G" girls performance, one which is without fault to begin with. It just keeps getting better and better. But, as she learns about the full range of my options, she just keeps trying harder. For that, I love her dearly, and prefer to be with her compaired to all the rest.

I am always kind of amazed at how many of the girls seemingly believe that we are dependent on them, and their individual bars, for our entertainment. I know that many of them must intellectually realize that we are butterflies, flitting around the whole of MTY to all the various venues. But, a disproportionate number of them act as though they honestly believe they are the only game in town, and that we are so stupid as to limit our escapades to only visiting their bars. Maybe they just want to believe it, that we are locked onto their respective bars, and that they don't have hundreds of other bar girls as competition.

I can not tell you the numbers of times that I've sensed an absolute reaction of surprise when the girls learn that I am intimately familiar with almost all the other bars in MTY. Are they niave, stupid, dillusional, blissfully ignorant, or just playing dumb??? Personally, I think that many of them are in denial, and that they choose to believe they are somehow above the fray. Anyway, it always seems they are visibly surprised that we realize they are not the only game in town.

The message has been sent in Prestige that my "G" girl holds a pretty solid position with me. I don't know to what strong extent they believe I am linked to my "G" girl, but the girls all know her name now, and they recite it to me, asking me how she is doing by name, etc...referring to her as my novia, etc...Keep in mind, I never, ever introduced her to any of them, and certainly did NOT tell them her name. Yet, they all know her name, and they all seemingly attach to her seemingly meaningful status with respect to her closeness to me.

I realize that this term of endearment, novia, can be taken several ways within a strip club environment, but suffice it to say, it seems that the girls attach to her a level of "status," and a "position" of significance with me, one of significant preference over them anyway, perhaps even so strong a position with me as to suggest that she is my actual novia...which she is. :D I consider us part-time novios....what??? Why not???

Whether they truly believe that we are actually "serious" beyond the obvious sex/money component with respect to "romance" seems admittedly far fetched, but the attitude I seem to interpret from the girls in Prestige is one of accepting that my "G" girl is truly my "girlfriend," at least in the sense that she is #1. I realize the absurdity of this kind of assumption, that she is my real novia, amongst the populace of a strip club, but they refer to her in those kinds of terms, as my legitimate novia, and with a straight face.

At the least, I believe they all know that she is first on my dance card compared to ALL the rest. And, just perhaps, that distinction, being considered #1, especially considering that she is not from one of the high end strip clubs, carries with it a certain degree of "legitimization" with respect to the crazy, mixed-up bar girl pecking order...I believe that she holds a covetted distinction within the bar girl society, the distinction of "exclusivity." How many bar girls crave customers that bestow upon them the honor of their "exclusivity?" It is the ippitamy of bar girl accomplishment. My "G" girl has arrived, verdad???

Anyway, this last trip, my "J" girl approached me to ask if I would like her to sit with me. Of course, I invited her to sit with me, have a drink. But, at the same time, I was expecting my "G" girl to text me that she was waiting for me to meet her. "G" was coming into the city, and she was in transit during the time I was able to visit Prestige for the buffet. So, I had planned on having the buffet, maybe buying a drink or two, saying hi to all the girls, handing out a few cookies, etc...I just wanted to be seen in Prestige for a half hour to an hour or so, mainly because I had not been in the clubs as much lately because of my "G" girl's huge time commitments to me. We have been spending a lot of time together. Visiting the clubs when I have my "G" girl at my disposal is simply not even a minor priority for me. But, I don't like losing touch, and I do need to keep my options open.

So, anyway, my "J" girl is sitting with me after her drink was delivered to our table, and she is sipping it slowly. She asked me how my "G" girl is doing, asking about her by name, and referring to her as my novia. We are talking a little bit, catching up on what's been happening. Anyway, my "G" girl texts my cell, and I am having to answer her text with my "J" girl obviously aware that I am distracted by a text coming in.

At that point I inform my "J" girl that I have to meet my "G" girl soon, and that she will be meeting me shortly, and that I will have to leave soon. I guess my "J" girl senses the obvious, that I will not be sticking around there to buy her more than one drink, and she starts to tell me she is saddened, telling me that she wishes I did not have a novia, that she is jealous.... :D

Yeah, right...ok, standard lines for a typical bar girl, no problem, I soak it all up...no big deal. I understand the typical bar girl lines, the embellishments, the BS. I understand the lines said for effect....business effect...for sure.

But, finally, my "J" girl looks at me with a set of very sad eyes, beautiful brown eyes, and says something like, "Well, you don't need me any more," but she says it kind of under her breath, in a way that made it ever so difficult to really understand her. She was not mad, just seemingly legitimately saddened, or more accurately, perhaps a better term is "disappointed," probably from a purely economical point of view, but seemingly legitimately saddened none the less. She is always telling me how attracted she is to me, and that she really likes me, that she wants to meet me outside, etc...but, there is, of course, never any proof in the pudding. It is, of course, the standard bar girl line.

Don't misunderstand, I don't read anymore into her "disappointed" comment than it being the standard bar girls line of BS. But, she did impress me that perhaps she was being a little melancholy over having lost her "opportunity," perhaps not her opportunity for anything truly GFE/BFE meaningful, but certainly a lost business opportunity. Opportuntiy lost to another girl, my "G" girl, one that works in a low end bar. :D

It occurs to me that to realize that you, a high end bar girl, have been beat out by a low end bar girl... Well, it must be quite a slam to their egos, and a very sad state of affairs, right?

Well, who knows...maybe she will loosen up and decide that it takes more than a peck on the cheek to keep us all interested. Eventually, all the vestal virgins have to deal with the "reality," especially when age begins to effect their overall sex appeal. Some will decide that they can not longer afford the luxury of being vestal virgins, and some will get out of the business as a result of not wanting to be hos. There ARE indeed a lot of vestal virgins working the clubs of MTY. But, for most, I think the economic realities make it possible that being in the right place at the right time might just result in my being able to see this one outside the club. We'll see...hope springs eternal.

Member #3453

09-11-07, 16:56

The subject of burn-out with MTY has come to my attention, and some who frequent the MTY venue regularly may go through a kind of burnout. I am posting this to articulate my perspective, and because I was going to send this as a response to a PM. But, in writing it, it occurred to me that it may illustrate how some of us have evolved, those of us that regularly visit MTY as out of town visitors. If you are contemplating regular visits, or you are currently a regular visitor, you may see something to my logic.

Guys like Carlos and MJ have overcome the game itself. They are at a different evolutionary place than we that visit from out of town, primarily because they learned to pace themselves because they live in the environment, having an available supply at their every whim, and having time, and money, on their side.

They don't have to "justify" the trip. If they have a bad experience, which is probably very rare because they have the time to make absolutely certain their experiences are good, they can just simply go home, and distract themselves with other activities.

We, on the other hand, have a very limited opportunity to assess the quality of selection, conduct the interview, and then we have to make snap decisions without the benefit of time to consider the merits of our selections. If we choose wrong, we are disappointed...this leads ultimately to burn-out.

This is precisely the reason I stick to an absolute sure thing in my "G" girl. I personally believe that I've also evolved to the point of simply wanting a sure thing when I arrive in Monterrey. In my "G" girl, I have that. I have been through what some of the regulars may be experiencing now with respect to burn-out, and I believe that I have evolved to the point of not wanting to invest the work, money, time, etc...not wanting to invest in things that have the very real potential to disappoint me. So, I have decided to stick with a steady "girlfriend" in my "G" girl. That way, I am not disappointed, keeping in mind, of course, that I do stray on occassion for variety sake, but usually only if I am very certain that I want to risk the potential disappointment that is always there.

Again, Carlos and MJ don't have to endure what we have to, so they really don't need the assurances that we as travelers need to have with respect to actually rebooking a future trip, considering the travel costs, time spent away from work responsibilities, the effort associated with travel, etc...We lay a lot on the line just for the possibility that we will be satisfied. So, to those that are living in Mexico, this exclusivity logic may not really make sense.

I'm not entirely sure that anyone that does not have to travel to MTY like we out of towners do, can really understand the logic of my argument about preferring a sure thing. But, if one projects one's self into our shoes, and if they really try to comprehend our world, the attraction of a steady girlfriend, one that is reliable and delivers without fail, has its merits, no matter whether she is in reality a ho or not. Preferably, for my purposes, my "G" girl, is the better alternative. I prefer to turn one like her from being just one that provides good service into one that delivers a deeper GFE experience rather than looking for a legit girlfriend per se.

I agree with the assessment that the optimum thing is to spend time with our amigos, and top off the night with a good salida, preferably with some variety in the mix, services delivered by a great provider each an every time...that is the optimum. But, things are more complicated than that in MTY. It isn't that easy. I am these days by my desire to have experiences that are not a waste of money and time, but a sure thing instead.

The reason I devote so much effort to my "G" girl is that I have found a girl that doesn't disappointment me, and she keeps me entertained for huge amounts of time in comparison to all others. She is very committed, especially if you consider her only as strictly a "provider."

Of course, I believe that her commitments demonstrate something much more than that of a good provider. I believe she is a romantic girlfriend, regardless of me paying for her time or not. The argument over whether her feelings are legit or not is really beside the point because when I book the airline tickets, I accept the subsequent payments that are sure to follow with respect to salidas, drinks, etc...So, while the "sincerity" of her commitment is certainly, and understandably, open for debate, the results I experience and my results with her can not be argued with. With her, it's a sure thing, and a totally believable GFE in the moment.

We are captive in MTY. There is a lot of dead time beyond the two hours that is typically allocated to most routine salidas. In addition to the two hour salida time, there is only the clubbing time between about 10pm-2am to find some good entertainment. The day time is very boring in MTY.

Unless we spent part of the afternoon in the bars with our amigos in places like Prestige/Obsession for the buffet, the mornings and early afternoons can become very boring otherwise. There is simply nothing interesting to do.

This is, frankly, where the MPs have some merit, they being open during the dead time. But, for me, I only have so much energy in reserve. To spend my energy on MPs, or on activities other than salidas, with the exception of perhaps enjoying some banter in the clubs with the girls and mis amigos over drinks at night, is to also waste my energy on things that are not my preferred activity, which is to partake in salida action at my hotel.

In my own case, I am remorseful at not spending the time that I would like to have spent this last trip with my amigos. Our schedules were not aligned as I would have liked, or we probably could have had more time to orchestrate our meetings for clubbing. But, lately it seems, our work schedules are not in tune, my having to arrive on Saturdays, and some others not really being able to slip away from home until Thursdays. And, as was pointed out in a PM to me recently, it is optimum if we can spend time in the clubs with our amigos, and finish the night off with a salida with our favorite, reliable girl(s), thereby making time for both kinds of enjoyable activities.

I would prefer that scenario myself. But, I have constraints due to my "G" girl's responsibilities that seem to be effecting my formerly open availability. And, in all honesty, it is very difficult to turn down any opportunity to be with a HOT girl, so I am also fighting the biology because "G" is not only HOT, she is very passionate, not to mention that I am sincerely attracted to her as a person. So, rather than squandering my time on potentially disappointing other candidates, I prefer to opt for the sure thing in my "G" girl.

What "G" and I have determined finally is that she can get away to be with me if her family believes she is going to work. If she is at work, she can escape the responsibilities at home. So, she comes to stay with me instead of going to work. She just leaves the house at the same time she would be leaving for work, around 12:30pm, telling her family that she has to go to work. She makes the two hour bus ride to MTY from Garcia, and she just shows up at my hotel instead. She has the babysitter already arranged for work reasons, she has someone there, her brother or sister, to tend to her mother's health issues, and everything works out great.

She stays the entire time she would have spent at work, and I pay her cash, just like she has collected her salary for the night. What I pay her is about the same as what she would earn at work, probably a little more, but I am happy to help her out. She is a fantastic girlfriend. But, from my perspective, my cash expenditures are no more than the cost of a regular single salida, and she gets to represent to her family that she was at work, contributing to the family budget. And, I get 8-12 hours with a very HOT, passionate Mexicana.

Actually, I probably pay less by spending my time with her because I am not buying drinks in the clubs, etc...We do spend money on dinner, and sometimes a movie, but she doesn't ask for regalos, or tips, or anything else. We have fun together, all the sex and playing around I can possibly stand, and we get to go out together and have fun doing other things, movies, dinner, ice cream, shopping....It fills the time nicely, and we like being with each other apart from just the sex.

But, it does cut into the time I have for my amigos, and that is the downside to the arrangement. Because she can not stay past around 10pm-11pm each night because they know when she is due home, and she can not stay todo la noche. If she could stay todo la noche, I would simply have her go to work, and pay her to spend the night, thereby making myself available to prowel the clubs with my amigos in the evenings. She would do it in a heart beat, but she can't spend the night because of her family responsibilities. Consider this, her family does not know she is working the bar, they don't know where she is if she were to stay out all night, it just isn't something she can pull off without a lot of questions being asked. Many of the girls are in this same circumstance, their families do not know what they do for a living. Obviously, if your a living alone, answer to nobody, then you're are free to do salidas, prowel around the city late at night after work, etc...But, many girls do not have that luxury, most of them having kids, and having resposibilities to relieve their babysitters at a certain pre-determined routine time.

Sometimes "G" has to be up very early the next day to take her mother to the doctor, sometimes as early as 6am to return back to the city for the doctor's appointment. So, she really burns the candle at both ends if she tries to see me, having to contend with her work in the club, and fulfilling all her family responsiblities, not to mention having the personal business that is part of everyone's daily lives.

That is why I see my payments to her as not for services rendered, but more to reserve a space in time where she can physically pull it off. I have seen her burn the candle at both ends in the past attempting to see me, work, see me again, and tend to her responsibilities...it's virtually impossible, and she has, in the past, literally become exhausted attempting to pull it off. It is very hard to be Super Bar Girl.

Fact is, during the entire month of November and December she was really sick with sinus infections, colds, etc...and most of it was a result of trying to see me, also work her job, tend to her son, her mother, her family...then, there are all the personal responsibilities that one has to take care of. It is exhausting.

Anyway, I don't mean to sound like I am making excuses for her time constraints, but I feel an obligation to my "G" girl to be available to her when she is available, primarily because she spends so much time with me for peanuts, and because I believe her feelings are legit.

Anyway, she is off Sunday and Monday, seemingly, so she doesn't meet me on days that her family believes she is off. She only seems able to meet me when she is supposed to be at work, which seems to be Tuesday through Saturday. I am usually not in MTY on Saturday, so she allocates Tuesday through Friday for me. It has taken a lot of experiementation to finally arrive at a method that seems to work for her with respect to her responsibilities and other time commitments, so I make sure I honor her time commitments to me by being there when she makes herself available to me.

Some will see this as my being anything but the Cabrone that I surely am... But, I must point out that "G" stays with me for 8-12 hours a time, all for 1500 pesos. I think I am getting the better bargain, and if it means that I must see her excuses as legit, I will gladly do so. I am, afterall, getting a huge amount of her time for very little money. If the time commitments were not so telling, I would, of course, see her excuses as typical. But, when I consider the time commitments made to me, seemingly with such passion and desire in her attitude toward me, I am compelled to give her the benefit of the doubt.

But, mostly, my attitudes are a result of having traveled to MTY now for at least 6-7 years, once a month, and possible having already gone through the same burn out phase that some have articulated to me in their PMs. If I give my "G" girl the benefit of the doubt, it's a result of my getting something in return that limits my disappointments, and keeps me returning for more. That's a good thing.

MonterreyDude

09-11-07, 21:39

Of course J is married.
The girls finally got the notion that the customers don't like married girls so know they are trying to fix the mistake.

USB say: "It seems that by bringing my "G' girl to Prestige, I have not only demonstrated to "G" that there are many beautiful and interested options in MTY, but also that I have other options outside of Prestige."

Sorry to tell you, but the door doesn't swing both ways here.
I don't know what G girl's opinion was of the Prestige, but the Prestige girls cared less about G and I doubt they consider her presence there a message.
You have not been a viable customer for them, since your repeat visits have not left a mark.
Inviting the girls 1 or 2 drinks per visit is not a blip on their radar.
THis is what I been telling you a lot: they miss more the cookies than the man behind the cookies.

A particular scenario keeps coming to mind, something that happened on this last trip. I feel the need to post it because it haunts me. I've been visiting with a particular girl now in Prestige for about a year or so. I will refer to her as my "J" girl, not to be confused with any of WastedG's "J" series.

Anyway, this girl has stood me up several times after having promised to meet me outside the club after work, etc...at least for about a year now. You know the routine, girls making all kinds of promises, then not showing up, or when you call them on their cell phones they have some kind of excuse.

I just thought this particular girl was simply leading me on so I would buy her drinks, and at first, I was kind of aggravated, but over time, I finally just decided that she was one of the "vestal virgins" that Carlos refers to from time to time. I like this girl, and I think she could have GFE potential...call it a sixth sense...I should know, right?

Anyway, I just finally resolved myself to the fact that I was never ever going to get her out of the club for some after hours action, so I just decided to give up on asking her, and to simply buy her a token drink or two in the club, just to enjoy her company now and then. I have all but given up on her completely, and now I just consider her a friend (?), someone that offers me probably no potential for anything other than a peck on the cheek in the club, some lip locking action when nobody is looking, and some carino as I sit and drool over her beautiful, perfectly shaped breasts.

Carlos once told me she was discouraged at having to put me off everytime I would ask her to meet me outside the club, and that she was tired of having to deflect my propositions to her. He kept insisting to me that she is married, etc...Although, I have varified with her numerous times now, and most recently on this last trip, that she is divorced, and not married. She told me very definitely that she is NOT attached at home, and has no esposo. She does have a child at home, and according to her, the child does keep her relatively restricted in her extra curricular outside activities.

Ok, so fine...I just decided that she was not worth all the work, and that I would just give up on her. Verinto!!! (Is that right Carlos??? I Give UP!)

Well, in the meantime, I started up this "romance" with my "G" girl, even bringing her once, two months ago, to Prestige to sample the buffet, and to show her where we all go in the afternoon for lunch. She was curious, and I thought it would be interesting to see the reactions of all parties. Of course, such a crass display, after all the girls saw that I have other options outside their bar, seems to have resulted in my being perceived perhaps differently than before.

I am always being advised to send the message to all of the girls that they are not my only option in town. It seems that by bringing my "G' girl to Prestige, I have not only demonstrated to "G" that there are many beautiful and interested options in MTY, but also that I have other options outside of Prestige. By this demonstration to the girls in Prestige, especially to all the girls that are in denial, and seemingly believe they are the only game in town because they are the "hoity-toity" high end bar girls, they are now on notice and aware that there is another stark reality.

It seems that the girls realize that I am not drooling over them, and more importantly, that they are not the only game in town, not for my drink money, not for my salida money, and not for my time, etc...c But, the true advantages of such a display remain to be seen. Who knows...I mean, I don't really know, but it is kind of an interesting thing to contemplate when you consider the strategy issues associated with these games we play in the clubs, and especially with respect to sending the girls messages that they have competition.

We can tell the girls they have competition. We can even tell them how many girls we have. But, nothing is quite so sobering as to actually witness your competition sitting right in front of you, chomping down on the buffet. This is proof beyond a shadow of a doubt. It serves to prove that we are not just full of balogna, but that we actually do have flesh and blood options on the outside.

It occurs to me that in the past, I have not really spent much money in Prestige on buying drinks for the girls. Most of them consider me a waste of time. Most of them have been told I have other options, but many of them formerly believed I was just playing games in their bar, showing up for the buffet, limiting my purchase of drinks for them, handing out cookies and candy.

Most of them consider me to be a bad customer for them. But, now I believe that by bringing a girl into Prestige from the outside, it demonstrates that I am indeed somebody's good customer. I am hopeful that it has demonstrated to all the "vestal virgins" and/or the "conceited" girls within Prestige, that their acts fall short, and that they are not as "wonderful" as they believe themselve to be. For if it were not the case, I would be spending money on them, and not on a girl from the low end bars. It is their stark reality.

And, with respect to my "G" girl, I can't tell you how much this has demonstrated to her that I have many other interested options in MTY. This, along with the photos of my girlfriends in Indonesia, Thailand, the PI, Colombia, Costa Rica, etc...along with my knowledge of many other clubs in MTY, seems to serve me well even with respect to my "G" girls performance, one which is without fault to begin with. It just keeps getting better and better. But, as she learns about the full range of my options, she just keeps trying harder. For that, I love her dearly, and prefer to be with her compaired to all the rest.

I am always kind of amazed at how many of the girls seemingly believe that we are dependent on them, and their individual bars, for our entertainment. I know that many of them must intellectually realize that we are butterflies, flitting around the whole of MTY to all the various venues. But, a disproportionate number of them act as though they honestly believe they are the only game in town, and that we are so stupid as to limit our escapades to only visiting their bars. Maybe they just want to believe it, that we are locked onto their respective bars, and that they don't have hundreds of other bar girls as competition.

I can not tell you the numbers of times that I've sensed an absolute reaction of surprise when the girls learn that I am intimately familiar with almost all the other bars in MTY. Are they niave, stupid, dillusional, blissfully ignorant, or just playing dumb??? Personally, I think that many of them are in denial, and that they choose to believe they are somehow above the fray. Anyway, it always seems they are visibly surprised that we realize they are not the only game in town.

The message has been sent in Prestige that my "G" girl holds a pretty solid position with me. I don't know to what strong extent they believe I am linked to my "G" girl, but the girls all know her name now, and they recite it to me, asking me how she is doing by name, etc...referring to her as my novia, etc...Keep in mind, I never, ever introduced her to any of them, and certainly did NOT tell them her name. Yet, they all know her name, and they all seemingly attach to her seemingly meaningful status with respect to her closeness to me.

I realize that this term of endearment, novia, can be taken several ways within a strip club environment, but suffice it to say, it seems that the girls attach to her a level of "status," and a "position" of significance with me, one of significant preference over them anyway, perhaps even so strong a position with me as to suggest that she is my actual novia...which she is. :D I consider us part-time novios....what??? Why not???

Whether they truly believe that we are actually "serious" beyond the obvious sex/money component with respect to "romance" seems admittedly far fetched, but the attitude I seem to interpret from the girls in Prestige is one of accepting that my "G" girl is truly my "girlfriend," at least in the sense that she is #1. I realize the absurdity of this kind of assumption, that she is my real novia, amongst the populace of a strip club, but they refer to her in those kinds of terms, as my legitimate novia, and with a straight face.

At the least, I believe they all know that she is first on my dance card compared to ALL the rest. And, just perhaps, that distinction, being considered #1, especially considering that she is not from one of the high end strip clubs, carries with it a certain degree of "legitimization" with respect to the crazy, mixed-up bar girl pecking order...I believe that she holds a covetted distinction within the bar girl society, the distinction of "exclusivity." How many bar girls crave customers that bestow upon them the honor of their "exclusivity?" It is the ippitamy of bar girl accomplishment. My "G" girl has arrived, verdad???

Anyway, this last trip, my "J" girl approached me to ask if I would like her to sit with me. Of course, I invited her to sit with me, have a drink. But, at the same time, I was expecting my "G" girl to text me that she was waiting for me to meet her. "G" was coming into the city, and she was in transit during the time I was able to visit Prestige for the buffet. So, I had planned on having the buffet, maybe buying a drink or two, saying hi to all the girls, handing out a few cookies, etc...I just wanted to be seen in Prestige for a half hour to an hour or so, mainly because I had not been in the clubs as much lately because of my "G" girl's huge time commitments to me. We have been spending a lot of time together. Visiting the clubs when I have my "G" girl at my disposal is simply not even a minor priority for me. But, I don't like losing touch, and I do need to keep my options open.

So, anyway, my "J" girl is sitting with me after her drink was delivered to our table, and she is sipping it slowly. She asked me how my "G" girl is doing, asking about her by name, and referring to her as my novia. We are talking a little bit, catching up on what's been happening. Anyway, my "G" girl texts my cell, and I am having to answer her text with my "J" girl obviously aware that I am distracted by a text coming in.

At that point I inform my "J" girl that I have to meet my "G" girl soon, and that she will be meeting me shortly, and that I will have to leave soon. I guess my "J" girl senses the obvious, that I will not be sticking around there to buy her more than one drink, and she starts to tell me she is saddened, telling me that she wishes I did not have a novia, that she is jealous.... :D

Yeah, right...ok, standard lines for a typical bar girl, no problem, I soak it all up...no big deal. I understand the typical bar girl lines, the embellishments, the BS. I understand the lines said for effect....business effect...for sure.

But, finally, my "J" girl looks at me with a set of very sad eyes, beautiful brown eyes, and says something like, "Well, you don't need me any more," but she says it kind of under her breath, in a way that made it ever so difficult to really understand her. She was not mad, just seemingly legitimately saddened, or more accurately, perhaps a better term is "disappointed," probably from a purely economical point of view, but seemingly legitimately saddened none the less. She is always telling me how attracted she is to me, and that she really likes me, that she wants to meet me outside, etc...but, there is, of course, never any proof in the pudding. It is, of course, the standard bar girl line.

Don't misunderstand, I don't read anymore into her "disappointed" comment than it being the standard bar girls line of BS. But, she did impress me that perhaps she was being a little melancholy over having lost her "opportunity," perhaps not her opportunity for anything truly GFE/BFE meaningful, but certainly a lost business opportunity. Opportuntiy lost to another girl, my "G" girl, one that works in a low end bar. :D

It occurs to me that to realize that you, a high end bar girl, have been beat out by a low end bar girl... Well, it must be quite a slam to their egos, and a very sad state of affairs, right?

Well, who knows...maybe she will loosen up and decide that it takes more than a peck on the cheek to keep us all interested. Eventually, all the vestal virgins have to deal with the "reality," especially when age begins to effect their overall sex appeal. Some will decide that they can not longer afford the luxury of being vestal virgins, and some will get out of the business as a result of not wanting to be hos. There ARE indeed a lot of vestal virgins working the clubs of MTY. But, for most, I think the economic realities make it possible that being in the right place at the right time might just result in my being able to see this one outside the club. We'll see...hope springs eternal.

Member #3453

09-12-07, 04:00

With respect to "J," this last time, I challenged her again with questions about her marital status...she was so definite about it, even asking me whom had been telling me such lies about her, thinking that whomever it was, she just assuming it was one of the other girls, and she thinking that the culprit was going to get a piece of her mind. She began looking around the room, looking for the offending party.

I did not, of course, disclose to her the source of my information...CARLOS PEREZ!!! :D She has, from the very beginning, always told me that she was formerly married, and that she has a child at home, but that she is no longer married, and that she has no boyfriend at home, promising to meet me outside the club if I will just give her another chance. Of course, she could be lying, certainly. But, that's what she said.

Shall I tell her to take it up with you just to set the record straight??? :D

I mean, she is so passionate about having me believe she is free, and wanting me to accept the idea that she will meet me for a "date." I wouldn't want her to think the other girls are sabotaging her efforts with me :D hahaha!!!

Carlos says..."they miss more the cookies than the man behind the cookies."

They will continue to "miss the man" behind the cookies because the "man" behind the cookies doesn't think they are worth a dime. Of course, I am still nice to them, giving them cookies, attempting to make a silk purse out of sows ear. This does not, of course, reflect on your two girlfriends. They are nice girls. I like them, especially the "A" girl. She is fun, and I believe she would be the exception. But, there again, you were able to find the wheat among the chaffe, and I congratulate you.

Carlos says..."Inviting the girls 1 or 2 drinks per visit is not a blip on their radar."

Let me get this straight...I just want to be clear on this...

Are you actually attempting to convince me that spending money on them by buying them drinks has even a remote chance, like a snow ball's chance in hell, of resulting in a positive outcome for me? I mean something more than just lurid, sexy, meaningless conversation, and a peck on the cheek? Such a high percentage of them are vestal virgins, a large portion of them staying in company apartments where salidas are impossible, or they are so over priced that only a maniac would actually bar fine them.

It occurs to me, just as we have discussed before, that the majority of the girls in the high end clubs, with the exception of your regular girls, are so spoiled by the laws of supply and demand, with hords of mindless guys throwing money at them in return for little or no quality of service, and their having an inflated opionion of their own self worth in comparison to the other girls in the lower end clubs, that the collective affects of such attitudes are making them virtually worthless in almost every respect, certainly so with respect to salida potential.

Carlos says..."but the Prestige girls cared less about G and I doubt they consider her presence there a message."

The message sent to the "vipers" in that club was for my own gratification, to demonstrate to them the true nature of their being. They can act upon the message, or they can continue to act as they always have. Besides, I am there for the buffet. I have really no interest in any one of them, except of course to see a miraculous transition, but I won't be holding my breath. They are sub-standard in every respect when compared against the quality of selection that I find elsewhere, physically and attitudinally. But, regardless of whether you sensed a change in them or not, I noticed one. That having been said...

My opinion of them has NOT changed over the course of many years. And, won't you admit that since I am the customer, the one spending the money, the one that has at least thirty other clubs from which to make my selections, that my opionion of "them" is really the only one that matters. And, furthermore, if they do not care about my opinion, apparently having such an arrogant and independent attitude, does it not further prove my point that mongering in Monterrey's high end clubs, as compared to other venues of the world, and spending money on those kinds of prospects, in order to cultivate those relationships for future benefit, is a virtually worthless endeavor?

I hereby sentence them to thirty days in the PI...and, NO time off for good, bad behavior. :D

And, in addition, I have to say that were any one of them to actually show even a fraction of the amount of intiative that my "G" girl has in the hangnail of her little pinky toe, I would have a coronary thrombosis. Yet, still, I am nice to them, giving them cookies, candies, treating them far better than they ever considered treating me, all in an attempt to provide the catalyst to a party atmosphere in an otherwise depressing environment with virtually no prospect of ever turning the corner. :D

Member #3453

09-12-07, 04:34

Precocious One said in the Regular Members Section...the Section that I have vowed to avoid for fear that I will offend the "Regular Members" with my "words." Therefore, I am replying here in an effort to honor my commitment to the sensibilities of the "sensitive ones."

"USB,

I wouldn't fret too much on the married part. With these girls, you never know. Carlos claimed that the girl at Tangalay is married and she is not. Although she still lives with her ex-husband DJ who is now driving a cab for a living, they are happily divorced, or so she claims. But then again, who knows? Maybe she still is married. Regardless, I know she is still doing salidas as the last time I was with her she gave her phone number to a guy that she said previously had four or five salidas with. I thought it was kind of cool that she knew I was pretty secure in myself in that I would not get jealous of her trying to drum-up old business. Or maybe it was new business? What I do know is that it really is none of my business. Again, who truly knows with these girls?"

Truer words were never spoken...that being "who truly knows with these girls?" I contemplate that about ALL of them, and I do mean ALL. The bottom line is the extent of their "giving" to us in the moment. And, as a wise man once said with respect to what they have to say, "Pay no attention to them."

Whome69

09-12-07, 05:15

Usb earlier<<<MTY Burn-out Therapy.

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The subject of burn-out with MTY has come to my attention, and some who frequent the MTY venue regularly may go through a kind of burnout. I am posting this to articulate my perspective, and because I was going to send this as a response to a PM. But, in writing it, it occurred to me that it may illustrate how some of us have evolved, those of us that regularly visit MTY as out of town visitors. If you are contemplating regular visits, or you are currently a regular visitor, you may see something to my logic.

You are in a paradox but won't admit it to yourself. With respect, are you writing for us or for youself?

You want something more from this woman. But don't. Why? Deep down, because of her background? Maybe it is something completely different because I don't know you. I am not trying to judge you in any sense of the world, since I have faced the same perils that you have. Perhaps from a different take-off but with the same results.

Your "G" girl has passed over the line when she started in her line of work. It changes them forever much like a Combat Vet who has been bloodied. We both know this, but do we truly accept this knowlege?

For me, I am the rescuer. The "Hero" on the big white horse who sees the woman for her possibilities and not for what she is. My rescue personality has always been in a factor in my Life. Do you wear The Rescuer Mantra?

We know that these Women have an array of assets that we like, maybe even admire, but we want to ignore or bypass their liabilities or their dark sides. A Dark Side that we must also have. Is it because of our self-image to pursue these women? Or maybe our ego? Perhaps it is the Pygmalian Complex? We can "create" the ultimate woman?

Maybe this is the difference compared to a "True" Monger? They see these woman for they are. At the moment. We see more.

Member #3453

09-12-07, 14:39

Howdy Whome,

You have me pegged pretty good. And, yes, I believe that much of what I write is for my own cathartic release.

But, none the less, sometimes my reports are on point with respect to mongering, occassionally. When in MTY, my reports are detailed, full of logistical information, reviews of various clubs, price structures, warnings about being fleeced here or there, etc...But, when not in MTY, I am in the corn belt of the US. I assure you, there is very little mongering going on here, and what mongering there is, you guys do not want to know. Trust me.

And, of course, here in the Wasteland, I have nothing to contribute with respect to "hard" mongering exploits, so philosophically, when I contemplate these issues without any other distractions, and even sometimes while on the ground in MTY, and embroiled in a highly charged romantic trist with my hos, I also spew forth my philosophical drivel in the USB Section of ISG to comfort my tormented soul, and to possibly, hopefully comfort our collective souls with philosophical thought.

I am, as you so sharply perceived, a bleeding heart for some girls. But, only for certain girls, only for ones that I see have a particular quality to their personalities, or ones that I believe are a little different than all the rest, ones that I have grown close to. I can only recall perhaps three girls that carry this distinction. But, being the father of two daughters, my sensitivities to the female psyche has me contemplating issues that perhaps some may not really fully comprehend.

I will use my "G" girl as an example of my philosophy with respect to hos. Certainly, she is an exaggerated example of my typical feelings because she is "special" to me. But, to a much lesser degree, my feelings follow this same vain of logic and philosophical opinion.

For example, with respect to my "G" girl, keeping in mind that she is "special," I see this "differentiated" quality in her personality, and in her case it is stronger than any other girl. But, I also intellectually know her for what she truly is. I firmly believe it's something she does not want to be, but she is what she is, and for reasons that I believe are relatively altruistic.

Thank God she is what she is or I would never have had the pleasure of knowing her, or the emotional and sexual depth of her attentions. So, for me, intellectually, the fact that she is what she is, is part of my preferred lifestyle, even when I simultaneously see qualities in her that make me want to rescue her from the damage that her vocation causes to all women. I am truly damned if I do, and damned if I don't.

For my purposes, I choose to overlook her vocation for GFE effect, and to treat her with love, affection, and kindness, and a healthy dose of empathy, along with a little bit of romantic sentimental regret, especially in the moment, and I make signficant effort to limit my emotions to the moment, to consider her almost like a dream figure when I am back in the US.

I aspire to influencing her positively when I am with her, mainly because she provides me with "attention" that is so far surpassed by all the others, and because her behavior is so distinctively uncommon in comparison, I afford her significantly more consideration than I give to most of them, emotionally. But, there are some girls that I have particular sensitivities toward, but most never really achieve the distinction held by my "G" girl.

In her case, I hope that my influences will serve to enlighten her, but I doubt it. There are a few of them that affect me this way. Not many, but a few. Most of them I couldn't care less about because I do not see in them the qualities that make me want to rescue them from themselves.

But, I also believe that eventually my kind treatment of her will only serve to make her more and more jaded. She is now, very loving toward me, almost seeming to have hopes and dreams for a future "normal" relationship. But, I also simultaneously realize that she will never have it, and that with time, she will grow increasingly disappointed with me, believing me to be disengenous with her, just as all the rest have been to her, especially as she experiences the "use" they all endure as prostitutes. Because, when I do not act with more commitment upon my feelings for her in the moment, even when my feelings for her are genuine, I expect she will eventually develop a hardened crust that will all but obscure many of her good qualities...thereby making her the proverbial "jaded ho" that we are all so accustomed to knowing.

But, eventually, I expect my participation with her to develop in her a a hardened, cynical, and possibly mercenary attitude that we so commonly find in other girls. For that reason, I would like to turn her away from her chosen profession. Because, I believe that the longer she stays in it, the more she will change into something that no longer appeals to me, something that will change her for the worse in the long term. I also believe that were she to exit the biz now, she would most likely preserve in her personality the sweetness that still exists. However, if she continues to sacrifice herself to the mongering hords, I suspect that her sweetness will incrementally diminish. What a shame, verdad?

Having known her for a long time now, and having seen the many sides of her personality, I honestly believe she has some very desireable qualities. But, as you pointed out, and so correctly, she crossed the line several years ago. As has been pointed out recently to me by Carlos, MJ and others, she is not intending to leave her respective vocation in the near term.

I realize, of course, that she is forever damaged goods. I am under no illusions, and I hope for an eventuality for her that does not really serve me well because it would ultimately mean the end of a perfectly configured GFE. I am totally aware of the reality of her circumstances, that she is a ho, but hope springs eternal with me that perhaps she will eventually exit the business and resume a normal existence with a relatively clueless dude that has no prior knowledge of her former activities, this after carrying on a nice sorted affair with me for as long as possible. But, upon that eventuality, after she has decided that I have ultimately disappointed her, and the hi-bred GFE ceases to exist, then I am once again on the prowel.

So, my personal lifestyle choices are strictly that of a committed monger. I am under no illusions that I am somehow going to settle down with a ho. But, by the same token, I enjoy the relative exclusivity angle that can be achieved, even with a ho, preferrably with a ho, especially with respect to emotional bonds. Because, in my personal circumstances back in my "real" life, only a ho will do, and more importantly, only the emotional component with a ho can achieve the hi-bred GFE that I enjoy. That is ultimately where I differ with respect to many other mongers. It is also the reason I am repeatedly warned by guys like Carlos, WastedG, and MJ, and rightly so, to guard my emotions and to protect my vulnerabilities to them, which I am fully aware of, and do, especially with respect to all things financial.

A question occurs to me...

How many girls are out there that have the same skeleton's in their closets, ones that go on to lead normal lives with regular relationships? I suspect the numbers are huge, especially in Mexico. What say you?

I also realize that I would be a hypocrit where I to judge her too harshly for her decisions, for I too am damaged goods, conducting myself no differently than she, and perhaps with less martydom than what she is demonstrating in her decision to prostitute herself. I know why she choses to do it, and I know why I choose to monger. I can assure you that my motivations are more selfish in every respect. I realize intellectually that my conduct is no worse than hers. So, spiritually, I conclude that we mongers are more like, and possibly worse than our hos, certainly more than we might choose to accept.

I write about it because some of us think these same thoughts, but never articulate them to anyone. Some of us are senstive, spiritually and emotionally, with respect to what we engage in, and with respect to the effect we are having on some girls that are sweet as can be. I am one of these. If I write about it, it does permit me to reconcile issues that are sometimes so deep that none would dare talk about them to others face to face, issues that most would construe as weakness, especially among those that are only comfortable thinking of themselves as macho and cabronish in nature.

But, none the less, whether some choose to admit it or not, some of these issues most definitely exist for us all, if not in our conscious minds, then in our subconscious, and to a greater or lesser extent according to our own personalities.

But, I suspect that much of the controverial criticism I endure on ISG has more to do with me striking a deeper chord than some are comfortable admitting to themselves. And, if I am accomplishing that, my partial purpose for having written about some of these issues, commenting on issues that are not commonly found in most trip reports, then my ultimate purpose will have been fulfilled.

This is the forum for dealing with all kinds of issues, and a haven for those that contemplate the same things I do, the philosphy of the game, the strategy, the intrinsic deep spritual considerations, the phychological, etc... The other Sections are reserved for hard mongering information, such as what I just posted over in the Monterrey section, and for trip reports that cover this girls tits, that girl's ass, this panacha, that panacha, etc...

There is a place for both, and I think that this particular forum, the way it is presently organized, provided we all respect the boundries that have been established, and provided we participate within each forum based on it's intended purpose with sincerity, can serve to be much more comprehensive that any other forum on ISG, or any other board for that matter.

I appreciate hearing from all...your comments are appreciated. They serve to entertain me in the off time, when I am not in MTY, and I will respond to all that are brave enough to participate.

Usb earlier<<<MTY Burn-out Therapy.

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The subject of burn-out with MTY has come to my attention, and some who frequent the MTY venue regularly may go through a kind of burnout. I am posting this to articulate my perspective, and because I was going to send this as a response to a PM. But, in writing it, it occurred to me that it may illustrate how some of us have evolved, those of us that regularly visit MTY as out of town visitors. If you are contemplating regular visits, or you are currently a regular visitor, you may see something to my logic.

You are in a paradox but won't admit it to yourself. With respect, are you writing for us or for youself?

You want something more from this woman. But don't. Why? Deep down, because of her background? Maybe it is something completely different because I don't know you. I am not trying to judge you in any sense of the world, since I have faced the same perils that you have. Perhaps from a different take-off but with the same results.

Your "G" girl has passed over the line when she started in her line of work. It changes them forever much like a Combat Vet who has been bloodied. We both know this, but do we truly accept this knowlege?

For me, I am the rescuer. The "Hero" on the big white horse who sees the woman for her possibilities and not for what she is. My rescue personality has always been in a factor in my Life. Do you wear The Rescuer Mantra?

We know that these Women have an array of assets that we like, maybe even admire, but we want to ignore or bypass their liabilities or their dark sides. A Dark Side that we must also have. Is it because of our self-image to pursue these women? Or maybe our ego? Perhaps it is the Pygmalian Complex? We can "create" the ultimate woman?

Maybe this is the difference compared to a "True" Monger? They see these woman for they are. At the moment. We see more.

Whome69

09-19-07, 04:52

Howdy from Texas to USB,

God, I could have written your response myself. Given this, you must love the pursuit. To get that GFE "relationship"? Perhaps we like the rush of a having a new relationship? Hearing new stories and being able to re-tell our own "exciting" stories from our past?

Lets face it, pussy is pussy. Granted, there are women who make the experience better by their actions, movements or setting the atmostpher BUT the reality; our cocks are dumb. I have done my share of women and when I am buried deep in them, it feels basically the same. Some are tighter, some can squeeze their pussies and some get wetter BUT that is about it. In the matter of pussy. So why do we continue to monger knowing this fact? A rational person would say, "We should be happy with any old pussy"?

Are we looking for that "better" pussy? That "fantasy" pussy that will drive us to nirvana? Or is it just a drive from the darkest recesses of our amygdala at the base of our brain and our hormones? Why do rational, intelligent and well educated men, spend so much time and money on chasing women? Risking careers, marriages, our own sanity. For the sake of a woman? If I had back 50% of the money that I have spent on chasing women, I would be able to retire. And the time?

I have been in conferences with large multi-million dollar projects on the table, and everything comes to a stop when a good looking woman walks by? The momentary lull and the glances that everyone gives and the subtle smile that spreads around which everyone knows to be, "I would LOVE to fuck that one! " And every so often, someone actually mutters it and men muttle in total agreement. Sometimes, even a competition develops about who would do her better.

However, it makes no difference how we try to discount women. Pussy is still on my mind and obviously the people who read this venue.

As to your question, "How many girls are out there that have the same skeleton's in their closets, ones that go on to lead normal lives with regular relationships? I suspect the numbers are huge, especially in Mexico. What say you? "

I would say there are more women out there who have really been "Semi-pro" hos. They don't get paid directly BUT they get the trappings of being someone who they really don't "love" or even like that much. In exchange for their company, some women will get paid in nice house, car, clothes, travel, ect, ect, ect.

There has been a few that I have known that even admit to using their husband or boyfriends.

Member #3453

09-19-07, 14:28

Howdy from Texas to USB

Here's the thing...See if you concur with this ultimate conclusion about our lives as males, in general? And, more specifically, with respect to your comment about what we might spend monetarily on our hos...

I realize that there is really only ONE THING that makes me happiest in life. The other things that I thought would make me content in life, the things I strived for all of my life, pale in comparison to the one thing that ALWAYS makes me the happiest...

PUSSY!!! :D Hurrrrrrrrrrrah!!! I miss young pussy.

I have always been a monger, ever since I was 18 years old. But, the realities of just how much my happiness is dependent on young, nubile pussy became quite evident to me after having achieved relative "success" in life. It allowed me to compare the contentedness I experienced from having a steady stream of pussy to the contentedness of having the luxuries of life.

What occurred to me one day several years ago is that with the relative "success" I had achieved, I would have expected to be "relatively" content. But, the success I had achieved in life really didn't make me as happy as I had anticipated I would be, nor did I seem as happy as when I had a nice nubile, young, HOT, sexy, girl in bed with me. I was, and am, economically comfortable, sure, but I was not really content living the "average" male existence, an existence that most US males endure year afer year because they have no opportunity or knowledge to do otherwise.

For me, I realized that something was missing. I realized that the luxuries of life were not really what made me truly happy. I realized that what makes me truly happy is to have access to a nice variety of HOT, young, nubile girls in my bed. And, if the experience is GFE...I am truly the happiest.

Bottom line...Pussy makes us happy, and there is literally nothing that can compare to it. I realized that if it came right down to one or the other, I would live in a shit hole, and drive an old beat up hoopty in exchange for a regular diet of HOT, young pussy in lieu of being able to afford both.

I don't aspire to live in a shit hole, or to drive a klunker, although, as you suggested is true for yourself, the amount of money I have spent on hos would undoubtedly permit me to have a very comfortable existence with respect to tangible goods and luxury items.

It is Maslow's Hierarchy at work. I love in a relatively comfortable home, I drive nice cars, I have freedom in my job, I am relatively affluent in comparison to most, etc...But, were it to become necessary for me to cash-in, or to downsize in order to continue my mongering pursuits in style, I would have to seriously consider trading it all. Because, literally, I am happiest with the pussy in my bed, even if it's a bed of straw. There is a point to which I am willing to tolerate austerity in exchange for pussy. And, realistically, I would have to endure the discomfort of lacking first in order to really determine the extent to which I would live meagerly in exchange for pussy. But, generally, pussy is pretty high on my list of necessities.

But, in comparison to females, we males would tolerate a hell of a lot less with respect to the niceties of life were it to mean that we can "not have our pussy and eat it too." :D (hilarious, verdad? ie:"not have our pussy and eat it too."). Whereas, females are primarily motivated by an entirely different set of desires, mostly related to their own security and comfort.

I suppose my statements are a generalization of terms, and an over exaggeration with respect to my own willingness to live meagerly in exchange for pussy, but most will at least identify with my basic idea. Suffice it to say, I have poetic license here in the USB section for dramatic effect. But, generally, my feelings follow this same vain, and these days I am sometimes reluctant to buy "things" to make me happy. Things don't really make me that happy...but, pussy definitely DOES. In contrast, with respect to females, if it came down to having cock versus a well feathered nest, they would choose the well feathered nest, hands down. That's what vibrators are for.

Philosophically, I feel like women in the US are generally getting what they desire out of life, but that our true desires as males are significantly squelched in our society. For that reason, I am not particularly appreciative of our US sociology as it exists today, and were I not morally obligated and emotionally devoted to my present circumstances, I would relocate to a society where the intrinsic male satsifaction level is much more easily achieved, a society where the female, self serving, moralistic, feminazi influences are virtually non-existent (ie: Asia, Latin America, etc...), and regardless of how that sounds, I am not a bitter male. I am a perfectly satisfied one commenting from the otherwise "satisfied" sidelines. I can only imagine how the truly disenfranchised US male population must feel.

There are varying assessments as to quality. I am generally only satisfied with a hard bodied girl, between the ages of 18-32, preferrably in the 23-26 range for GFE effect, flaca, preferably morena, even one having mediocre facial features, of course preferring one that is pretty, but it's not always a deal breaker if they aren't, especially if the attitude is there. But, the bottom line is that they must have a certain attitude, and the best of them, in order to earn their distinction, must provide a certain element of romance and legitimacy in their approach to me (ie: GFE, and hopefully hi-bred GFE).

I believe some have been sincere, and those are the best GFEs. Some are not so sincere, but they get an "A" for pulling off the charade, and some, of course, haven't been worth a shit. :-(

But, with experience comes a more refined selection ability, and I have few real disappointments these days. But, at this juncture, as a result of coming to this revelation that pussy is what makes my world go around, and after practicing the mongering game with hundreds of girls, and in many locations and cultures around the world, learning what makes me happy, I am less disatisfied than I might have once been in the past when my selections were not quite as accurate with respect to finding the pearls among the swine.

This will illustrate how I think these days...

It goes without saying, I am the happiest I have ever been. There was a time when I would have purchased a new car every two years. My car now has almost 200,000 miles on it, is five years old, runs great, looks great, so why waste money on a new car, verdad? I have had a new car almost every year since I was 22 years old. Been there done that. Consider this, I could literally have 300 different MTY girls for the cost of a $30,000 automobile...THREE HUNDRED MTY GIRLS!!! I could have 857, that's EIGHT HUNDRED AND FIFTY SEVEN, Thai, Indonesian, or Colombian girls. Take it from me, the dash boards of new cars all look the same, but the dashboards of (300) different MTY girls, or almost (900) Asian and/or Colombian girls...well...VA VA VA VOOM!!!!

Suddenly, when you relate all types of expenditures to making sure you are always in a position to provide yourself with a steady stream of HOT pussy, then the decision to purchase tangible goods comes at a truly meaningful price.

That doesn't mean that I choose to live meagerly or austerely. But, it does mean that I have finally come to the realization in life about what truly makes me happy, and how much return on investment I get for expenditures that do not relate directly to pussy.

Member #3453

09-19-07, 14:55

MJ,

I am coming to Morelia with Carlos. I have baked you some cookies...Get the Skittles ready. :D Lookin' forward to it. Set up those corn fed flaca morenas.

Mill Just

09-19-07, 20:38

I'm on my way to Sam's Club to get a weeks supply of them little guys...

MJ,

I am coming to Morelia with Carlos ...Get the Skittles ready.

Member #3453

09-19-07, 21:57

I'm on my way to Sam's Club to get a weeks supply of them little guys...

You better buy two week supply...I eat half of them. And, don't forget the ICE CREAM...I am lugging the cookies all the way to Morelia just for your benefit. I promise not to distribute them in the clubs...I wouldn't want there to be a mad exodus of girls from Morelia bound for MTY just for the sake of a tasty morsel such as mine.

Whome69

09-21-07, 16:31

I concur. But I do have a love of Cars. I collect them specializing in old BMW's. My newest car is a 97 Infinity and I am getting rid of it.

As to taste in women. I guess, I am a George Thorogood type of guy, "I really, really, really, really like girls". In his lyrics, "I love them short, I love them tall, I love them all".

Height is not important. But they can't be too thin and they can't be gorditas but I don't mind some with weight on them as long as they wear it well. And yes, a proper acting women is great.

Life is short and a new young pussy makes us. WOW!

Member #3453

09-21-07, 21:23

Whome69,

Of course, hobbies are the exception...

You have your love of cars, and I have my love of guitars. I recall going on a guitar buying kick over the past couple of years. I actually had thirteen of them here at one time. I have lapsed in to some degree of sanity, having only five left these days, (1) Fat Strat, (1) PRS Santana SE, (1) Les Paul Studio, (1) Fender Jazz Bass, and (1) Takamine Acoustic.

Playing the guitar takes that same level of concentration that is necessary if you expect to engage in a GFE when seducing a young girl. And, if you fondle one just right, the results can be almost as satisfying(NOT!!!)...but, kind of, sort of, anyway.

But, the bottom line to spending on our hobbies is to ultimately realize that what we spend on our "other" hobbies really serves to curtail our favorite hobby. That is the ultimate lesson, verdad? That is what motivates me to consider each and every expenditure with respect to how it impacts my mongering budget. It is also why I have five guitars now versus many, many more.

I have yet to find a hobby that is as satisfying as experiencing the rush of a new, young HOTTIE. There is simply no comparison. But, on the other hand, for the sake of a well rounded personality, perhaps one has to branch out occassionally and endulge in other less satsifying distractions such as our conventional hobbies.

"Man does-eth not-eth live-th by sexo-eth alone-th..."

I concur. But I do have a love of Cars. I collect them specializing in old BMW's. My newest car is a 97 Infinity and I am getting rid of it.

As to taste in women. I guess, I am a George Thorogood type of guy, "I really, really, really, really like girls". In his lyrics, "I love them short, I love them tall, I love them all".

Height is not important. But they can't be too thin and they can't be gorditas but I don't mind some with weight on them as long as they wear it well. And yes, a proper acting women is great.

Life is short and a new young pussy makes us. WOW!

Member #3453

09-28-07, 02:00

Lets bring the discussion over here...

Carlos says:
"Excuse me I didn't show her any pictures. You did, not me."

I did not suggest that you advised me to show her photos...If you read my original comment, I was referring to your suggestion that by "my" showing her the photos, she would believe that she is rescuing me from the underclass. You believed that my strategy to show her the photos would backfire, and that she would develop a superiority complex with respect to the girls I had seen in Asia. My point was that the result of having shown her the photos was the opposite of what you had suggested would occur in her case. The reality is, that strategy has served to make her more attentive, not less.

Carlos says: "And this comment "her insecurities". See? you jump into conclusions that are not there."

Her "insecurities" are strictly a comment made to illustrate that upon my showing her the photos, and telling her about what is waiting for me in other lands, she realizes that unless she delivers what I am looking for, I will be gone. She is right, I would prefer to be in Asia where the GFE rules versus Mexico, with the exception of my wanting to visit my amigos in Mexico. She does not understand the limitations of my work schedule, my family life, etc...so, to her, knowing that I have traveled the world, it serves me well to convince her that I could just as easily travel to other venues in lieu of traveling to see her. I find it a huge coincidence that her increased attentions coincided almost perfectly with my having shown her those photos and immediately after having told her of my Asia experiences. Ii would be such a huge coincidence, that I have concluded that she is acting on her own insecurities as a direct result of that tactic, and that I am not imagining those changes as anything but a direct result of my strategy to influence her postitively for my own satisfaction.

So, the way I see it, more she believes that I might be distracted by other venues, if she truly cares about her "business," and the prospect of losing her "customer" to other superior venues, the better it is for me as her client. If it is strictly business that is on her mind, and the prospect of losing me as a client is looming large on her mind, strictly for business sake, then telling her about what I can expect in other versus, where she believes I can easily travel, has it's effects on her own insecurities concerning business, and the possibility that I will desire other venues.

Conversely, if it's not all about business with her, but also about her having legitimate feelings for me as well, then logically it's equally a concern for her that I might find other venues more enjoyable than being with her in Mexico, and that I might subsequently choose not to return to her in Mexico, but to fuck little brown bunnies in the PI. :D Either way, it all boils down to her own insecurities, and how you use that kind of strategy to bring pressure on them to perform to your liking rather than accept the mediocre attitudinal perspective that is so commonly a part of the average Mexican bar girl's approach to their duties as hos.

Carlos says..."One week away from here USB, is like a century to them business wise.

That would suggest that I am totally forgotten. But, every single day, a number of times per day, she texts me with "love letters." Now, believe whatever you choose to believe about that. But, it would seem to me that in either case, whether she is just in it strictly for business sake, or whether she is in it for her legitimate feelings, or both, she is still texting me every day.

So, I believe that she has an insecurity that I will opt to go elsewhere, whether it be an insecurity motivated in her by business or pleasure, it doesn't really matter which with respect to my ultimate goal, the GFE. Because, she is still texting me, remembering me none the less, even after five weeks of being gone from Monterrey. Therefore, my conclusions about her having insecurities, at least with respect to "me," are valid whether she be in it for business or pleasure. And, the theory that she forgets in one week what we experienced five weeks ago together, whether it be strickly business or pleasure, does not hold true when she texts me every day for five weeks subsequent to my last visit.

And, I also believe that the way you define her insecurities are different than what is really going on in her own head. She knows that I do not like her fake boobs. So, while she formerly had insecurities about not having big boobs, she now has some insecurity that by getting them I will possibly prefer others over her. There are insecurities playing on two levels here. She has heard many an hombre express that they do not like fake boobs...she has told me so.

So, her insecurities that primarily originate with her own body,while she may have thought that were a problem before, have exasperated themselves as a result of her decision to move forward with the boob job that she now realizes is received differently than she might have formerly imagined with respect to her job. But, I have to say, she turns heads in street clothes. And, frankly, ultimately, I think she will discover that her boob job was a good thing for her ego on the street, in street clothes that is, even when I do not believe they are proving to be as valuable to her with respect to her business forecasts.

But regardless of her insecurities...I can not lose.

Carlos says "The boob job she had has changed her a lot..."

I don't doubt that the boob job has changed her. I sense, in her, a aire of confidence that I do not particularly like. I prefer her humble demeanor as opposed to her having so much pride in her boobs. She lacks the same humble demeanor that attracted me to her to begin with. Fortunately, she makes up for what she lacks by her increasingly attentive attitude toward me. I only look for changes from her that impact me directly, so a change in her demeanor, so far, hasn't effected my opinion of her. So far, I do not sense any negative changes in her attitude toward me, or in her enthusiasm to see me. But, your observations of the change in her are no doubt real, and that was my original concern with respect to her getting the boob job to begin with. I liked my "G" girl the way she was, natural. I would take her back in a second, but I can not reverse the course of events. I can only capitalize on what is remaining...and I do.

Member #3453

09-28-07, 03:47

USB said " I am the client...the girls have to reinvent themselves to entice me, not the other way around." Carlos replied: "The girls do not care to adapt to customers, they never have. That is one of the things that Porker well justifies his disatisfaction with Monterrey."

It is precisely the point we are trying to make, that MTY requires significantly more work because the attitudes of Mexicanas, and the way the Mexican P4P experience is set up. It is a lot more work, and not nearly as easy to engage in as in Asia. Frankly, for my part, I prefer things to be easy rather than harder. I don't generally go looking to engage in the most difficult method when there is an easier one available. With respect to the travel time required of Asia, you have a point, and that is the only reason that hords of Norte Americanos are not in Asia in lieu of Mexico.

So, when strictly assessing the two venues, I don't blindly endorse the Mexico experience over the Asia experience, even though I also love Mexico. Because, I know how ridiculous that truly is from my first hand experience in Asia, and more importantly, I know how ridiculous that seems to other mongers that are experienced in both venues, even when my true love of Mexico looms large in the back of my mind.

You see, I love Mexico...but, I am not blindly endorsing it over venues that I have personally experienced as superior. Just because I believe Asia to be superior does not mean that I degrade Mexico with my commentary, but simply that I accurately portray what is good and bad about both venues. My comments are not meant as a criticism, but simply as an accurate portrayal of the obvious to any that truly have the duality of experience.

Carlos says: "And I still wonder why you still bring the SEA up, when you are unable to travel over there. Of course you might go, like once each every other year, but that puts you on the side that the expense and effort are not worth the trip."

It is strictly a matter of my lacking opportunity, my having conflicts with business and family obligations, and for no other reason. It is not a matter of it being a lengthy, and/or uncomfortable trip, or because of the travel expense is higher compared to MTY. The expense of traveling to MTY is almost as costly as tickets to Asia, especially if you factor in and compare the cost of hotels, meals, girls, etc...

The cost to go to MTY versus Asia, for me, being from the Midwest, and not coming from a US city in close proximity to MTY, is probably about equal. For example, I routinely spend about $2000 inclusive to make a trip to Monterrey, usually spending six nights. On my first trip to Thailand, I spent just under $4000US inclusive, and I stayed there for 12 days. So, theoretically, my cost to go to Asia was identical to my cost to visit Monterrey. But, the time commitment is the wrench in the works. It requires significantly more time to travel to Asia, so the cost in time is higher...but, that has nothing to do with assessing the quality of experience once you're on the ground.

Carlos says: "And again, you are stuck to the past, when we have talked and I have read that things are changing rapidly over there, with prices going up and the girls changing their style of work."

Your's is an accurate statement, but the Asian venue still has not declined to the frustration level of the Mexico experience, not according to any that know about both venues, and have recently experienced the delights of both. If you were to ask that question of mongers that travel to both venues, ones that live in the US and also dabble in the Mexico experience, I suspect you would find that probably a huge percentage of them prefer Asia, and given the opportunity, I suspect a very high percentage, with all things being equal with respect to cost and time required to travel, would choose to visit Asia over Mexico.

Carlos says: "And Cindy #1. One of these whe is going to stab you again in the back.

There is always that potential with any of these kinds of girls that they will disappoint us. I have nothing emotionally invested in in Cindy #1, so I fail to see how she could stab me in the back. If you mean that she has the potential to disappoint me considerably in the future some day, then I agree 100%. But, I accept that possibility knowing full well that what I receive from her now is well worth that eventuality, especially considering cost and generous amounts of time spent with me on salida. Most of these girls will decline to the point of no longer having the kind of appeal that's required of them to be successful in their business, so I accept that eventuality with knowing anticipation...it is only a matter of time with every single one of them. They will all stab us in the back eventually, some knowingly, some purposefully, and some innocently. It is the risk we all engage in when we associate with hos, verdad?

Carlos says: "And the J girl at the Prestige. How many times must you be told that she is married, even if she tells you that she is not? She is good company at the Prestige, but you expect so much from her...."

I expect nothing from her. I am simply using her as an example of the typical bar girl prospects that exist in Mexico, and to illustrate that most of them are a lot of work, leading you continually on with respect to the possibilities, picking you clean, while there is never any chance of anything ever happening. In Asia, this simply DOES NOT OCCUR. Of course, many Asian girls take advantage of their "marks," but at least their marks get to fuck them silly in the process.

MonterreyDude

09-28-07, 08:17

USB says: Carlos says..."One week away from here USB, is like a century to them business wise
That would suggest that I am totally forgotten"

No!
I meant business wise: girls come, others leave, some return, some are forgotten.
For example, You'll be surprised when you see the line up at the Infinito, Gyvenchy, Obsession, Harem, Casino. Changes come so fast to the clubs that me even as a local, Iam sometimes taken by surprise.

Lets bring the discussion over here...

Carlos says:
"Excuse me I didn't show her any pictures. You did, not me."

I did not suggest that you advised me to show her photos...If you read my original comment, I was referring to your suggestion that by "my" showing her the photos, she would believe that she is rescuing me from the underclass. You believed that my strategy to show her the photos would backfire, and that she would develop a superiority complex with respect to the girls I had seen in Asia. My point was that the result of having shown her the photos was the opposite of what you had suggested would occur in her case. The reality is, that strategy has served to make her more attentive, not less.

Carlos says: "And this comment "her insecurities". See? you jump into conclusions that are not there."

Her "insecurities" are strictly a comment made to illustrate that upon my showing her the photos, and telling her about what is waiting for me in other lands, she realizes that unless she delivers what I am looking for, I will be gone. She is right, I would prefer to be in Asia where the GFE rules versus Mexico, with the exception of my wanting to visit my amigos in Mexico. She does not understand the limitations of my work schedule, my family life, etc...so, to her, knowing that I have traveled the world, it serves me well to convince her that I could just as easily travel to other venues in lieu of traveling to see her. I find it a huge coincidence that her increased attentions coincided almost perfectly with my having shown her those photos and immediately after having told her of my Asia experiences. Ii would be such a huge coincidence, that I have concluded that she is acting on her own insecurities as a direct result of that tactic, and that I am not imagining those changes as anything but a direct result of my strategy to influence her postitively for my own satisfaction.

So, the way I see it, more she believes that I might be distracted by other venues, if she truly cares about her "business," and the prospect of losing her "customer" to other superior venues, the better it is for me as her client. If it is strictly business that is on her mind, and the prospect of losing me as a client is looming large on her mind, strictly for business sake, then telling her about what I can expect in other versus, where she believes I can easily travel, has it's effects on her own insecurities concerning business, and the possibility that I will desire other venues.

Conversely, if it's not all about business with her, but also about her having legitimate feelings for me as well, then logically it's equally a concern for her that I might find other venues more enjoyable than being with her in Mexico, and that I might subsequently choose not to return to her in Mexico, but to fuck little brown bunnies in the PI. :D Either way, it all boils down to her own insecurities, and how you use that kind of strategy to bring pressure on them to perform to your liking rather than accept the mediocre attitudinal perspective that is so commonly a part of the average Mexican bar girl's approach to their duties as hos.

Carlos says..."One week away from here USB, is like a century to them business wise.

That would suggest that I am totally forgotten. But, every single day, a number of times per day, she texts me with "love letters." Now, believe whatever you choose to believe about that. But, it would seem to me that in either case, whether she is just in it strictly for business sake, or whether she is in it for her legitimate feelings, or both, she is still texting me every day.

So, I believe that she has an insecurity that I will opt to go elsewhere, whether it be an insecurity motivated in her by business or pleasure, it doesn't really matter which with respect to my ultimate goal, the GFE. Because, she is still texting me, remembering me none the less, even after five weeks of being gone from Monterrey. Therefore, my conclusions about her having insecurities, at least with respect to "me," are valid whether she be in it for business or pleasure. And, the theory that she forgets in one week what we experienced five weeks ago together, whether it be strickly business or pleasure, does not hold true when she texts me every day for five weeks subsequent to my last visit.

And, I also believe that the way you define her insecurities are different than what is really going on in her own head. She knows that I do not like her fake boobs. So, while she formerly had insecurities about not having big boobs, she now has some insecurity that by getting them I will possibly prefer others over her. There are insecurities playing on two levels here. She has heard many an hombre express that they do not like fake boobs...she has told me so.

So, her insecurities that primarily originate with her own body,while she may have thought that were a problem before, have exasperated themselves as a result of her decision to move forward with the boob job that she now realizes is received differently than she might have formerly imagined with respect to her job. But, I have to say, she turns heads in street clothes. And, frankly, ultimately, I think she will discover that her boob job was a good thing for her ego on the street, in street clothes that is, even when I do not believe they are proving to be as valuable to her with respect to her business forecasts.

But regardless of her insecurities...I can not lose.

Carlos says "The boob job she had has changed her a lot..."

I don't doubt that the boob job has changed her. I sense, in her, a aire of confidence that I do not particularly like. I prefer her humble demeanor as opposed to her having so much pride in her boobs. She lacks the same humble demeanor that attracted me to her to begin with. Fortunately, she makes up for what she lacks by her increasingly attentive attitude toward me. I only look for changes from her that impact me directly, so a change in her demeanor, so far, hasn't effected my opinion of her. So far, I do not sense any negative changes in her attitude toward me, or in her enthusiasm to see me. But, your observations of the change in her are no doubt real, and that was my original concern with respect to her getting the boob job to begin with. I liked my "G" girl the way she was, natural. I would take her back in a second, but I can not reverse the course of events. I can only capitalize on what is remaining...and I do.

Member #3453

09-28-07, 12:52

Ah, ok, claro que si...agreed. So, are the changes "good" in the clubs, or just a shifting from one club to the other of the same old available talent. I am looking for new talent to corrupt on this trip, and would enjoy a new lineup, preferably young and nubile spinners, flaca morenas. Do tell...don't be so cryptic with me. Now I am really curious.

And, please be more specific with respect to the changes you discern as a not so innocent bystander concerning my "G" girl. I can take it. I want to know what you think specifically with regard to how you believe it has affected her attitude, her demeanor, etc...

I want to study her psychological state of mind on this trip. As I often say, the metemorphisis of inevitable change that all bar girls go through is sometimes subtle, and the girls do not even realize they are changing. The likelihood of change, just as a result of working in such a horrid environment, is influence enough. For a girl to also change her physical self, it is not, IMHO, a good thing. I believe that it significantly complicates the potential for disaster. I personally believe the psychological influences of such changes only serves to excel the process of change in them, and hopefully not for the worse, but almost inevitably so. That was my concern when I first heard of her new boobs. I was not concerned for myself, for my preference for "naturales," but more for the eventual potential personality changes that I knew would undoubtedly develop as a result. One can only hope that with these changes comes a normalcy adjustment, something that brings them back to center. But, for my part, I am totally satisfied with her, even at this juncture, and including her physical changes.

I can not ascertain a change in her toward me, but there may be some subtle changes occuring to the average patron that I am not privy to with respect to her former attitude versus her current one. Do tell...

I was thinking last night about what time you would make your way from the clubs on Thursday night to report to your post at ISG. Your routine on Thursdays is to return from the clubs around 1am, check the boards, and respond to posts. I guessed you would return around 1am...I have grown to know your routine so well that I anticipated your return right down to the minute, gleefully waiting for your rebuttal. But, I got sleepy...

You were running perhaps just a little late, unless of course the time of your post displayed here does not directly correlate with respect to Central time, or perhaps the traffic was a little heavy. And, frankly, I was hoping for a little more of an argument from you. You must have exhausted yourself last night :D

Now what do I do with my Friday night?...You have given me literally nothing to respond to with just a few measly lines from you to debate. Perhaps MJ will not disappoint me, or maybe Porker...oh yeah, scratch that, he agrees with me :D

So, you see, while I am compelled to speak of the delights of Asia out of my sense of obligation to the mongering hords, and to all the lurking talent at ISG with respect to "factual reporting," I am simultaneously returning to the venue that I must subconsciously, truly love, probably only to be abused, lied to, extored, given blue balls, enticed with empty promises, at times forced to sit in uncomfortable, AIDS and/or STD Disease infested and filthy, accommodations in the privados, stood-up by bad intentioned flooooozzzies, constantly tested by the waiters in the clubs, they having no shame, some of them knowing me for years of continued loyal patronage, and they all having a serious character flaw with respect to giving proper change, forced to listen to painfully loud music, and to endure the constant interruption of what is otherwise good music by the senselessly loud and obnoxious comments of overzealous DJs that believe we're in the clubs for thier own boundless ego gratification, etc...

It occurs to me that for one that is not even into S & M, apparently I am in reality smitten by my "home away from home," MonteRRRRRRRRRRey :D, ahhhhhh my beloved homestead. I am a glutten for punishment, and a truly, love struck, patron of Mother Mexico...she can apparently do not wrong in the final analysis. :D So weap no more over my critical comments...The next two weeks promises a plethera of glowingly honest and factual reports from me, sometimes with a sting, but intrinsically accurate, first from MTY, and then from, of all places, Morelia. See you soon.

USB says: Carlos says..."One week away from here USB, is like a century to them business wise
That would suggest that I am totally forgotten"

No!
I meant business wise: girls come, others leave, some return, some are forgotten.
For example, You'll be surprised when you see the line up at the Infinito, Gyvenchy, Obsession, Harem, Casino. Changes come so fast to the clubs that me even as a local, Iam sometimes taken by surprise.

Mill Just

09-28-07, 20:26

Let me respond to these things:

I am coming to Morelia to discern the quality of selection, and of course, to make your acquaintance in person. But, since I am making that effort, you must now come to Asia to dispell your preconceived biases, biases that, frankly, keep you from having a blast with Asian girls. Do not limit yourself with your own preconceived biases. It only serves to limit the fun you can have.

Well, that's not gonna happen. Closest I'll get to Asia is the Imperial Palace Casino in Las Vegas. I'll definitely meet with you in MTY, but like I said, Asia as a mongering destination holds no interest for me. Y'all can have all the fun with the Asian girls 'cause its just not my thing in terms of look and logistics.

It makes no sense whatsoever to go on a 24 hr flight to go to a place that just doesn't appeal to me. Maybe what they offer by way of loooong mongering sessions appeals to you, but I can think of nothing more tedious than spending 18 hours with a prostitute. Like Charlie Sheen said, "I don't pay for them (hookers) to come, I pay for them to leave." Maybe that's why you're going batty, Uno- you are just spending too much time with chicas who make men ejaculate for money. You need a breather from that world, buddy.

Either way, it all boils down to her own insecurities, and how you use that kind of strategy to bring pressure on them to perform to your liking rather than accept the mediocre attitudinal perspective that is so commonly a part of the average Mexican bar girl's approach to their duties as hos.

So, I believe that she has an insecurity that I will opt to go elsewhere, whether it be an insecurity motivated in her by business or pleasure, it doesn't really matter which with respect to my ultimate goal, the GFE. Because, she is still texting me, remembering me none the less, even after five weeks of being gone from Monterrey. Therefore, my conclusions about her having insecurities, at least with respect to "me," are valid whether she be in it for business or pleasure. And, the theory that she forgets in one week what we experienced five weeks ago together, whether it be strickly business or pleasure, does not hold true when she texts me every day for five weeks subsequent to my last visit.

And, I also believe that the way you define her insecurities are different than what is really going on in her own head. She knows that I do not like her fake boobs. So, while she formerly had insecurities about not having big boobs, she now has some insecurity that by getting them I will possibly prefer others over her. There are insecurities playing on two levels here. She has heard many an hombre express that they do not like fake boobs...she has told me so.

So, her insecurities that primarily originate with her own body,while she may have thought that were a problem before, have exasperated themselves as a result of her decision to move forward with the boob job that she now realizes is received differently than she might have formerly imagined with respect to her job. But, I have to say, she turns heads in street clothes. And, frankly, ultimately, I think she will discover that her boob job was a good thing for her ego on the street, in street clothes that is, even when I do not believe they are proving to be as valuable to her with respect to her business forecasts.

Again, Uno, you are guilty of thinking waaaayy too much. I can assure you that all your thoughts about her insecurities and strategies and possible motivations and outlook are yours alone. All these concepts and conflicts that you have about her and your relationship with her are all only taking place in your own head.

You remind me of these pet owners who apply their own thoughts and insecurities to their pets and say things like, "My kitty won't eat, he must miss his little brothers and sister."

Now, before people accuse me of comparing working girls to pets or before Porker says that I am traumatized by a hooker, let me just say that this is a metaphor. The point is that you are trying to apply your logic and reasoning to a completely different type of human being from a different country, culture, social class, psychological make-up and personal history. What goes on in your head does not apply to them.

I will gladly throw things at you when you get to Morelia :)

MonterreyDude

09-29-07, 03:07

Hell Mill... I live here and I don't aply phsycology to hookers....
With all due respect to my friend USB, it is a total waste of time.
We are real. live in the real world, not them... the ho's pass to a better life and we still keep on moving on.

PS: Mill, throw things at USB? too late, we already did that.

Let me respond to these things:

Well, that's not gonna happen. Closest I'll get to Asia is the Imperial Palace Casino in Las Vegas. I'll definitely meet with you in MTY, but like I said, Asia as a mongering destination holds no interest for me. Y'all can have all the fun with the Asian girls 'cause its just not my thing in terms of look and logistics.

It makes no sense whatsoever to go on a 24 hr flight to go to a place that just doesn't appeal to me. Maybe what they offer by way of loooong mongering sessions appeals to you, but I can think of nothing more tedious than spending 18 hours with a prostitute. Like Charlie Sheen said, "I don't pay for them (hookers) to come, I pay for them to leave." Maybe that's why you're going batty, Uno- you are just spending too much time with chicas who make men ejaculate for money. You need a breather from that world, buddy.

Again, Uno, you are guilty of thinking waaaayy too much. I can assure you that all your thoughts about her insecurities and strategies and possible motivations and outlook are yours alone. All these concepts and conflicts that you have about her and your relationship with her are all only taking place in your own head.

You remind me of these pet owners who apply their own thoughts and insecurities to their pets and say things like, "My kitty won't eat, he must miss his little brothers and sister."

Now, before people accuse me of comparing working girls to pets or before Porker says that I am traumatized by a hooker, let me just say that this is a metaphor. The point is that you are trying to apply your logic and reasoning to a completely different type of human being from a different country, culture, social class, psychological make-up and personal history. What goes on in your head does not apply to them.

I will gladly throw things at you when you get to Morelia :)

El Cabron 007

09-29-07, 06:04

I am not supposed to be here but I was in the neighborhood and I had something to say:

MJ, mark my words. The biggest surprise you will get, besides a lump in your fart, is how different Bob is in person than what he seems to be on the board. I will not spoil it for you. You’ll see.

However, one thing 'will' remain the same, he will talk your ear off about his G girl. We love you Bob :-)

As for Carlos, well, he’s too logical and he lives in his own world when it comes to them girls. He takes notes.

Have fun and be excellent to each other.

Wasted

Hell Mill... I live here and I don't aply phsycology to hookers....
With all due respect to my friend USB, it is a total waste of time.
We are real. live in the real world, not them... the ho's pass to a better life and we still keep on moving on.

PS: Mill, throw things at USB? too late, we already did that.

Member #3453

09-29-07, 11:36

Hola Wasted...Gracias for those kind words. As my "G" girl would text me in her unique San Luis Potosi Spanish, "comuestas."

Actually, to be fair, I will only write his ear off here on ISG with respect to my "G" girl. He will not hear me speak of these things in person, and that's where he will notice the difference between my "cyber persona" and the "real" me. But, of course, the cookies are a tangible reality...bon apetite.

Only here will MJ find the "cyber-blather" that quenches his need for USB philisophical wisdom and mongering philosophical controversy. These issues will not be a subject of our discussions in the clubs, unless he asks for it, in which case my comments will be significantly briefer.

No, the ISG is a place where USB can fill the time during his exile to the Wasteland, thereby cultivating significant amounts of psychological contemplations, and the resulting lengthy commentary.

However, if he would like to discuss the deeper meaning of life in person, I am open to it, but he will have to do it at breakfast because I can not hear what is being said in the clubs. The damned DJs... :D

And, he will have to step into the delousing station to be cleansed of all remnants of lingering Skittles before the discussions begin. :D

Regarding MJ and Carlos' comments with respect to psychology not being applicable to hookers, IMHO, hookers are the best subjects for such "research." I am continually making the attempt to figure them out, to work all the angles, and to ultimately prevail in the end with my own brand of nirvana. It is the "hi-bred" mongering game that keep me intellectually interested. Frankly, to conquer the typically jaded and cynical heart, mind, and soul of a hooker is the ultimate accomplishment, the goal that makes the game interesting. I pay them for sex, and that is a simple, mindless process...conguering them psychologically, heart, mind, and soul, is the more complicated endeavor, and it is also the brass ring that leads to the "hi-bred" GFE.

I have ultimately reached the conclusion that if you have a lot of money to throw away, and you prefer "long time" like I do, but you lack a desire to practice psychological techniques, then you are better off finding the girls that have the syndrome known as "Pavlovian Dinero Syndrome."

Whereby, the use of mucho dinero eliminates the need for significant psychological game. Upon the introduction of mucho dinero to the subject, she immediately starts to salivate profusely, licking her lips and slurping back huge amounts of spittle, as she contemplates her next purchase, purchases to be made with YOUR DINERO. Then, in the typical Pavlovian response, she turns on the charm, delivers the goods, and if you're lucky, you might also get just a little affection in the process. Most of "our" kinds of girls are afflicted with this disease, along with a few other biological infections that are more tangibly discerned with regular health checks.

But, being the cheapskate I am with respect to paying for time spent, and gaging everything by how many hours I can get for the least amount of money, while still keeping the girls motivated to be there, and because I am operationally exiled to Mexico, and not in friendlier venues where such games are not necessary, I am highly motivated to play my little psych games with them in order to achieve my preferred outcomes.

To respond to MJs comments concerning "long time," those comments are quite revealing because the reality is that if one is interested in GFE, it is unlikely it will be achieved if one has a "short-time" mentality. MJ reveals in his former comments that long time is not really MJ's forte, which is fine, but with respect to my own preferences, compared to Mexico, other venues offer the environment that makes long time GFE more readily available, and at a price that, due to superior intrinsic attitude, psychological games are not nearly as necessary.

But, in Mexico, if you have a desire for a "long-time" GFE experience, you are going to have to have one of two things, either A LOT OF DINERO in comparison, or a pretty aggressive psychological game. In order for me to monger in Mexico and be satisfied, I must employ psychological games in order to beat the system there...and, I AM beating the system, and with less dinero than would typically otherwise be required for "long time" action in Mexico.

With respect to Carlos and MJ, both of them come from an entirely different approach due to their living in the venue. They have the time necessary to play the game without having to use the intensity of psychological games that are required of those of us that must travel into the venue.

I have no doubt they are both playing their games, but they are applying their brand of psychology in a much more subtle manner because time affords them the opportunity to do so. I, on the other hand, have to make every shot on goal count. So, my psychological game has to be much more concentrated in order to produce results within a much, much shorter period of opportunity. Therefore, honing psychological game is a relatively important aspect of my being satisfied in Mexico.

This is why the psychology of hos is so very important. It is a pre-requisite to success in the Mexican venue if you like "long time" GFE. You guys do not seek long time GFE so you have little need of employing the psychology that's required if you are going to monger in Mexico and not spend an absolute fortune.

Carlos has restrictions on him that make "long time" GFE impossible, and MJ states that he prefers a short time experience. But, even then, I see Carlos employ numerous psychological strategies in the clubs, even to achieve short time GFE. I haven't made MJs acquaintance yet, but I suspect he has an equally impressive game to achieve whatever degree of short time GFE he prefers. In Mexico, psychological game is simply a pre-requisite, IMHO, to experiencing success, and not experiencing the typical, poorly delivered Mexicana experience.

As I mentioned before, my opportunity costs in Mexico are about equal to what I anticipate for Asia for example, but in order to achieve the satisfaction level with respect to long time GFE found in Asia, one must use psychological strategies to acheive it. There simply is no other way in Mexico, and that is what makes the study of the psychology of hos so important, and specifically the study of Mexican hos. Get it???

I leave in a few hours once again to practice my craft. Wish me luck...each trip is different than the last. Life is good. :D

I am not supposed to be here but I was in the neighborhood and I had something to say:

MJ, mark my words. The biggest surprise you will get, besides a lump in your fart, is how different Bob is in person than what he seems to be on the board. I will not spoil it for you. You’ll see.

However, one thing 'will' remain the same, he will talk your ear off about his G girl. We love you Bob :-)

As for Carlos, well, he’s too logical and he lives in his own world when it comes to them girls. He takes notes.

Have fun and be excellent to each other.

Wasted

Mill Just

09-29-07, 14:37

"Pavlovian Dinero Syndrome:" Upon the introduction of mucho dinero to the subject, she immediately starts to salivate profusely, licking her lips and slurping back huge amounts of spittle, as she contemplates her next purchase, purchases to be made with YOUR DINERO. Then, in the typical Pavlovian response, she turns on the charm, delivers the goods, and if you're lucky, you might also get just a little affection in the process. Most of "our" kinds of girls are afflicted with this disease, along with a few other biological infections that are more tangibly discerned with regular health checks.

That is the most accurate definition of 100% of all club girls. My friend, you've actually stumbled upon the truth. That is the only psychology that exists when it comes to the strip club scene...and if the chicas didn't have that mindset, they most definitely would not survive in the dog-eat-dog world of Mexican strip clubs. Everything else is exclusive to Uno's mind and Uno's mind alone.

To respond to MJs comments concerning "long time," those comments are quite revealing because the reality is that if one is interested in GFE, it is unlikely it will be achieved if one has a "short-time" mentality.

I get the GFE I want, when I want. Of course, with the advantage being that I live here and I'm single. I occasionally get a little jaded with the whole GFE from time to time and crave just simple relations with new chicas.

But, I prefer the short-term relationship even when it comes to my favorites , primarily because I KNOW the game and I KNOW that its ALL game in their minds...and when/if it stops being a game on their part? Run!!! Theirs is not a world you want to be part of. And I'm being serious here. It's not a fun thing to have a "real" relationship with a club girl. So...I divy up my time, keep things short and sweet and keep them coming for more, rather than gush my affections and attentions all over them, creating the image that I am some mandilon mark and putty in their hands.

MonterreyDude

09-29-07, 17:02

I get tons fo GFE... but am married and I confine that act to the close walls of the darken clubs.

That is the most accurate definition of 100% of all club girls. My friend, you've actually stumbled upon the truth. That is the only psychology that exists when it comes to the strip club scene...and if the chicas didn't have that mindset, they most definitely would not survive in the dog-eat-dog world of Mexican strip clubs. Everything else is exclusive to Uno's mind and Uno's mind alone.

I get the GFE I want, when I want. Of course, with the advantage being that I live here and I'm single. I occasionally get a little jaded with the whole GFE from time to time and crave just simple relations with new chicas.

But, I prefer the short-term relationship even when it comes to my favorites , primarily because I KNOW the game and I KNOW that its ALL game in their minds...and when/if it stops being a game on their part? Run!!! Theirs is not a world you want to be part of. And I'm being serious here. It's not a fun thing to have a "real" relationship with a club girl. So...I divy up my time, keep things short and sweet and keep them coming for more, rather than gush my affections and attentions all over them, creating the image that I am some mandilon mark and putty in their hands.

Member #3453

10-03-07, 05:56

It occurs to me after reading the most recent posting in the Regular Members Section, that I do not see the diffence between the Monterrey Section and the Regular Members Section with respect to content, and the status of who is posting there.

I don't criticize the content of the comments, or the guys that are posting there, because that is an interesting debate about the Mexico venue. But frankly, there seems to be a higher level of edgy commentary in the Regular Members Section than the USB Section, and certainly more so than in the Monterrey Section. Frankly, if I were a Regular Member and visited the Regular Members Section, I would be more intimidated than if I were to visit the USB section and get two fingers in the eyes.

And, just for the record, I believe the USB section is perfectly fine for all the reasons that were previously articulated with respect to lengthy commentary, cross talk, etc...and I have no objection to such a section being created for chit chat and discussion.

But, here is what kind of irks me...

I thought the purpose of the Regular Members Section was to give the Regular Members a forum. Regular Members are defined by their numbers of posts accumulated, and if they're identified as "Regular Members" in their screen name title. That distinction does not limit them to only commenting in the Regular Members Section, and eventually, if enough comments are made by them, Regular Members will eventually be Senior Members, right?

But honestly, if they are established with all the other members as regular commentators, and this includes all my buddies, and certainly if they are considered by all of us to have experience in the venue, regardless of their numbers of posts and whether they rise to the distinction of being Senior Members, then they should technically consider themselves anything but Regular Members, and leave the Regular Members section for Regular Members to post "nothingness" like they always do.

All this division is proving to be stupid, time consuming, and logistically confusing, especially for the one time or infrequent vistor, some of which complain to Jackson, and IMHO, are incredibly arrogant when they are offended that they can't stop by the site once a year and leach their information from the Senior Members and Regular Commentators with absolutely no intention of offering anything in return.

Don't misunderstand, I am not angry with lurkers, or anybody else for that matter, and gladly see guys that choose not to submit commentary with every bit of respect due regular commentators.

But, it is the ones that are so stupid as to complain to Jackson that they need a forum in which to post their invisible writings, and exclude the Senior Members. I make this comment tongue in cheek because I don't really see where the "Regular Members" particpation can proliferate without the Senior Members posting there. But, in Jackson's comments, Senior Members are asked NOT to participate in the Regular Members Section. I have sworn not to participate in the Regular Members Section, but if it keeps going in the direction I am seeing it headed, I am going to retract that vow, and it will be open season on any Section of this forum I wish to post in.

Everyone that is posting lately in the Regular Members Section is anything but a Regular Member...what gives??? Am I wrong??? Bring it ON :D

MonterreyDude

10-04-07, 08:05

Well... I opt for short answers at the Regular Member Section...

It occurs to me after reading the most recent posting in the Regular Members Section, that I do not see the diffence between the Monterrey Section and the Regular Members Section with respect to content, and the status of who is posting there.

I don't criticize the content of the comments, or the guys that are posting there, because that is an interesting debate about the Mexico venue. But frankly, there seems to be a higher level of edgy commentary in the Regular Members Section than the USB Section, and certainly more so than in the Monterrey Section. Frankly, if I were a Regular Member and visited the Regular Members Section, I would be more intimidated than if I were to visit the USB section and get two fingers in the eyes.

And, just for the record, I believe the USB section is perfectly fine for all the reasons that were previously articulated with respect to lengthy commentary, cross talk, etc...and I have no objection to such a section being created for chit chat and discussion.

But, here is what kind of irks me...

I thought the purpose of the Regular Members Section was to give the Regular Members a forum. Regular Members are defined by their numbers of posts accumulated, and if they're identified as "Regular Members" in their screen name title. That distinction does not limit them to only commenting in the Regular Members Section, and eventually, if enough comments are made by them, Regular Members will eventually be Senior Members, right?

But honestly, if they are established with all the other members as regular commentators, and this includes all my buddies, and certainly if they are considered by all of us to have experience in the venue, regardless of their numbers of posts and whether they rise to the distinction of being Senior Members, then they should technically consider themselves anything but Regular Members, and leave the Regular Members section for Regular Members to post "nothingness" like they always do.

All this division is proving to be stupid, time consuming, and logistically confusing, especially for the one time or infrequent vistor, some of which complain to Jackson, and IMHO, are incredibly arrogant when they are offended that they can't stop by the site once a year and leach their information from the Senior Members and Regular Commentators with absolutely no intention of offering anything in return.

Don't misunderstand, I am not angry with lurkers, or anybody else for that matter, and gladly see guys that choose not to submit commentary with every bit of respect due regular commentators.

But, it is the ones that are so stupid as to complain to Jackson that they need a forum in which to post their invisible writings, and exclude the Senior Members. I make this comment tongue in cheek because I don't really see where the "Regular Members" particpation can proliferate without the Senior Members posting there. But, in Jackson's comments, Senior Members are asked NOT to participate in the Regular Members Section. I have sworn not to participate in the Regular Members Section, but if it keeps going in the direction I am seeing it headed, I am going to retract that vow, and it will be open season on any Section of this forum I wish to post in.

Everyone that is posting lately in the Regular Members Section is anything but a Regular Member...what gives??? Am I wrong??? Bring it ON :D

Member #3453

10-04-07, 13:47

Well... I opt for short answers at the Regular Member Section...

True...and I find no fault with the Senior Members that choose to post there. I find fault with an administration that seems perfectly content to slam it's Senior Members contributions by austensibly restricting them from making commentary on a board that they alone have made viable to begin with.

And, again, as I said before, what in the hell do the regular members have to contribute where the Senior Members are not an absolutely intregal part. The Regular Members do not seemingly post anything but simple inquiries about a venue that they know absolutely nothing about.

So, how are the Regular Members to get any kind of assistance if they post inquires in the Regular Members Section without the Senior Members being permitted to answer their inquiries because the administration has decided that somehow the Senior Members on this board are a poc on the viability of the board itself.

The "Regular Members," with exclusion of regular commentators, whom we all know, don't post anything of any meaning anyway, even when they have a forum completely available unto themselves, which is precisely what I said would be the case when all this ridiculousness began. All I see from the Administration is knitpicky obsurdity, and very little respect for the Senior Members that make the board the absolute wealth of information it actually is.

But, as stupid as it seems to be, I am not upset with anybody other than to articulate how fragmented the board has become, only to morph now into three sections that all resemble each other, with no distinction whatsoever as to whom is posting, or with respect to what is being commented on.

But, of course, peace on earth, good will toward men... :D

Member #3453

10-11-07, 13:15

Carlos said in the Monterrey Section:

"Oh God... you are a dear good friend USB, but the truth is you totally blew it with the G girl.

#1. You never paid heed to advice.
#2. You dedicated too much time to her.
#3. She always had the upper hand.
#4. You violated the first law of ho's: you bar fined a girl from the same club she works in... we have a saying in Spanish that says "eyes that do not see; heart that doesn't feel"... she never knew exactly what you did after she left you... you had more than a bushel out there besides the Infinito girls and you had to land one from that club.... at that moment the G girl knew what she was dealing with: a backstabber.
#5. Please, lets us stick to the true facts: you were "unfaithful" (as in "this guy is wasting money on other ho???? what about me???... that money should be mine!!!) so, she just let you go.
#6. So now you are blaming her cause she opted to change her look? Is it her fault that you only see her for 5 days out of each every other month???
#7. Stop the messiah complex, right now... you do not have and will not have the influence to help anyone in the business... ever.
#8. Damn it!!! there are girls out their that enjoy your company...!!!! WE (and I mean you, me, Wasted, et al) are not getting younger... LOWER your weird standars and open your eyes at new options!!!
#9. Am going to bed (2:50 am)... ponder on this.
#10. Well... did you? Thought about it????"

This is a response to Carlos' comments in the Monterrey Section. I thought that with this developing into lengthy commentary from me, and also a solicitation of advice, it would be more appropriate here in the USB Section.

As for #8, and I quote "Damn it!!! there are girls out their that enjoy your company...!!!! WE (and I mean you, me, Wasted, et al) are not getting younger... LOWER your weird standards and open your eyes at new options!!!"

They might enjoy my company, but I do not necessarily enjoy theirs. Oh, they are ok...nice girls and all, but I want what I want...I GOT money, verdad!!! And, why is it that wanting to find a HOT girl, instead of an older, ugly, tall, and/or fat assed one is so wierd? I mean, I look for the hottest girls I can find, and I find them, they go with me, they seem to want to be there, etc...So, why would I lower my standards?

I have a wife that surpasses most of the sub-standard selection available in Monterrey if I were to lower my standards frankly, she even giving many of the younger girls a run for their money. Frankly, if I am going to engage in P4P, I am going to engage in it with HOT girls, and not lower my standards of selection when I have a decent standard of selection at home, all be she older. Fact is, she runs 3-5 miles a day. How many of those bar girls get up off the couch?

Now, with respect to my changing my attempts to engage so much in hi-bred GFE, then I agree with you. I have already resolved to change that about myself, mainly because I don't really like the idea of what I just did to my "G" girl. She did not deserve it. I was advising Wasted not to do it with his "P" girl, and I turn right around and do it to the best girl I have found in the entire world. But, frankly, sometimes the emotion can exceed my feable attempts to keep things from getting out of hand, so I can only try my best to keep things on a professional level in the future.

Besides, name a few girls that are actually going to show up, HOT girls, not those Casino types that cause me to heave and vomit everytime they sit down with me :D You are going to have to convince me. I am seriously considering taking a very long vacation from Monterrey after all this happening with my "G" girl.

Ok, well, I do have "T," "C," at Givenchy, "X" at Harem, "V" at Pasarelas, maybe "N" at Pasarelas, maybe "N" at Prestige, maybe this one, maybe that one....maybe, maybe, maybe, yes, but no show, maybe, yes, but no show, maybe...shit, I can go to Asia and have any that I want without all the aggravation, and I can have it with the intensity of my "G" girl's attentions, and all at a third the price, for todo la noche and then some.

I can go to Colombia, and even to the medicre venues of "Costa Rica," maybe try out Peru, maybe go to Panama...I can find GFE in spades, and with some very, very HOT girls. You are going to have to convince me that I can get my "G" girl back. You are going to have to intercede on my behalf, and CONVINCE HER THAT I LOVE HER like a romantic, non-sexual interest...and I do. She is wanting to believe I actually love her, and that I am not like all the rest. She is going to to have to believe that I do not want to stray from her, and that I actually do put her on a pedastal, or she will never consider allowing me to return.

Otherwise, other venues are looking much more enticing than the selection in Monterrey, especially when you tell me that I have to lower my standards. I will not do it. I will not do it and pay money for mediocre performance and fat, ugly, tall girls. :D

With respect to your other points, I think we agree on almost each of your other points Carlos. With some slight disagreement as to how I was advised to conduct myself in her bar by almost everyone else commenting on ISG, and I am not guilty of the "messiah complex" charge.

You are right about one thing, I absolutely, positively blew it with her. As I formerly stated, I know I let her down, but in much deeper ways than most will believe because everyone thinks she was in it for the money, that her reactions are strictly a ho's reactions, that she is reacting as though I am a client. I AM NOT a client, just as I was not a client with Angry Girl.

I always paid my "G" girl, and she made no more money working in the bar than I paid her to stay with me. I always took care to pay her an amount that would offset her earnings potential in the bar so she would not lose out. Because literally, she would have stayed with me and possibly run a deficit, which I realized was a NO WIN situation for me. Lately, I had started to bar fine her and pay her 1000 pesos because I did not want to jeapardize her job in the bar. I would pay a double bar fine, and Jarras was perfectly fine with it. So, I was not jeapardizing her job, nor was I cutting into her earnings.

Anyone who believes these girls earn in excess of about 1000 pesos a night in these bars, on average, is dreaming. I paid her well, but I paid her based on whatever I chose to give her. She was not, in the end jeapardizing her job. I was taking care of her on all fronts.

But, I DO NOT believe that she has cut off her biggest benefactor of all time because she is anything but feeling emotionally betrayed. In other words, if she were acting the ho, she would never have considered cutting off her biggest and most generous benefactor. I paid her the equivalent of 1000-1500 pesos a day, usually, and on rare occassions paying as little as 500 pesos very early on when she first expressed an interest in seeing me. But since the very first couple of months, my payments to her have been like clock work...a certain 1000 pesos a day, dinner, movies, shopping, with modest amounts of regalos.

I would patronize her in the privados, sometimes to the tune of (12-15) privados at a time, just to patronize her in her job, to make her successful in her job, to ensure that she would make salary on a particular day. Lately, I always asked her if I should spend some money on her in the privados, to help her with her job, and she would routinely discourage me from doing it, but not because she wanted any more of my money. But, simulataneously, she would routinely still show up for hours, and accept whatever money I had available for her, usually less than 1500 pesos, but generally at least 1000 pesos. It has nothing whatsoever to do with money.

Right up to the end, she was choosing to spend the time with me, and skip work, not because she felt an obligation as my ho, but because she felt something emotionally, and she was sick and tired of living her bar girl lifestyle. I never pressured her to skip work, or to spend so much time with me. I did tell her that I would spend as much time with her as she wanted, and could afford to spend with me. I always told her that she had other responsibilities and that I understood if she could not be there. Frankly, I could have used the time to see other girls without creating any problems for myself. But, the reality is, she chose to come whenever she could, as often as she could, and for as long a time as she could. I never encouraged her to jeapardize her job by skipping work. It was entirely her idea. All those accusations are things you project onto me Carlos, things that are simply not true.

I agree that she now sees me as a backstabber, and worse, because our's was not strictly a business relationship. I regret what I did to her immensely. I can't really understand why I did what I did, why I would be so stupid as to bar fine another girl from her same bar when I sensed the depth of her emotional legitimacy even in the midst of doubts created in my own mind because I knew she was a ho and working as a bar girl. It is really very difficult to intellectually reconcile that reality, and project onto them the sincerity that she did ultimately have for me. I doubted her, and denied that her feelings for me were as emotionally strong as they apparently were, thinking that she was probably just like all the other girls, that my being a Cabrone would not cause her to hurt so deeply.

I would have thought a girl in her position would have had a thicker skin with respect to our male urges, but I was totally wrong. She was hurt deeply, crying when I told her, telling me that it is like all the other times she has been hurt. It really hurt her. I had no idea it would hurt her that much or I would never have told her what I had done. I thought that by telling, and by promising not to do it again, she would appreciate the honesty, and that she would understand because she works with men and should understand those urges. But, it is because she was emotionally attached that she lost it. Again, it has nothing whatsoever to do with money, at least nothing whatsoever to do with my money.

We have all had this discussion numerous times on ISG where some of us openly bar fine other girls from the same bar all the time, and without any complications or repercussions. Need I go back in the archives and find the discussions about being a Cabrone in the bars, and letting them all know that you are in control, totally without regard for them? I always intellectually opposed that tactic, even though I ultimately made that tactical error myself. I sensed from the very beginning that it is, and was, the wrong tactic with her because I sensed the legitimacy of her emotion, even when I was skeptical that a bar girl could actually have any legitimacy of emotion.

She ultimately dropped me because I hurt her, she was angry, betrayed, and because she saw a legitimacy to our seeing each other, one that she believed was constantly at odds with her business, one that she sacrificed her business interests for, and one that I know her friends around her constantly criticized as detrimental to her business, and to her long term happiness. If she spent hours with me it was because she wanted to be there emotionally. There simply wasn't any financial motive for her otherwise, at least none that is over and above she simply showing up for work to earn her money versus being with me.

I think she finally started to believe that she was wasting her time with me with respect to legitimacy, but she was so torn emotionally, she could not help herself. I could see the writing on the wall after she told me of her plans to move to TJ. Even then, she was asking me if I would still come to be with her. When I told her I could not go that far, she proposed working in Reynosa instead so we could still be together. These are not the words of a ho. These are the words of a girl torn between being a ho and wanting to be something else. Mine is not the "messiah complex" you refer to in your post, but a cognitive conclusion that I made with respect to her particular state of mind, and my wishing that I could fulfill for her a dream that I know she hold deeply in her psyche. I DO NOT have a messiah complex for all these girls. Far from it...I could not generally care less. But, in her case, based on my being physically with her a week at a time, 12 hours a day, every three weeks, for a year, I am convinced of my conclusions about her dreams in life.

She claimed that she would be leaving as soon as December to take a legit job in TJ or Reynosa. Geeeee, that's a coincidence, TJ and Reynosa are probably the two next largest successful P4P venues. If going for a legitimate job, why not Mexico City, or Guadelajara, or wherever in the all of Mexico? No, I may be foolish, but I am not stupid.

I suspect that whomever is influencing her decisions, convinced her to believe she can make tons of money in TJ or Reynosa and they are the ones that are manifesting the changes in her, diverting her true nature from being a girl that simply wants what all women want in their lives, a faithful romantic interest that puts them exclusively on a pedastal, to a girl that is only concerned with the money she can earn. And, according to Porker, in TJ she could make $1000US a night. I suspect that is quite a temptation to her, and more importantly, to those that benefit from her work. She always told me that her friends constantly opposed her being with me legitimately. Those friends and relatives that influence her are the benefactees of her work. They are the ones that take from her in so many ways, and capitalize on what she does for a living.

I believe she did change over time, and the change is a result of a girl that is not satisfied with her body, a body that we would all die for, but in addition, I believe that her look is also simply the visual manifestation of that change in preparation for her decision to expand her business, a decision that I believe is promoted by those around her that benefit directly from her ability to earn (25) times the average wage in Mexico, which is about $38US a day. Remember, almost 50% of the population of Mexico is in poverty. You can do the math to discover the underlying influences that must compell her to work as she does. Where does all that money go if not to others within her family and a circle of friends? If I exhibited a "messiah complex" with her, it was because I sensed something in her that was worth saving. I do not exhibit that motivation with any of the other bar girls I have known.

But, here is the question...where do I go from here? Can I win her back, and if so, all you Cabrones, HOW? Comments are welcome. God knows there's nothing else on here to read, and no other issues brought to the forefront for us to participate in, so have at it.

How do I fix this, and have any of you had similiar circumstances? This is a very complicated scenario, and I am open to hearing all recommendations for fixing it with her. Surely, some of you Cabrones out there have had the same kind of situation develop in your long and illustrious careers. I am asking for your input, and open to your comments.

MonterreyDude

10-11-07, 18:13

the 11th commandment: a ho does not drop you, you are the one that drops her.

You are paying, you command, you are the master of the universe, not the other way around.
(This was one of the big mistakes with your G girl, when you kept telling us that you were not paying her, you were compensating her time... you started to believe this faux status quo)

If you believe that a ho is the one that chooses, that she lets you go, you are totally lost.

It doesn't matter if it is Monterrey, Costa Rica, SEA, whatever, if you go keep up with that attitude, any girl anywhere will have you eating from their hands.

And by the way, by changing your strict standards, I do not mean ugly girls... there are many pretty girls out there you refuse to consider, sometimes opting instead for la creme of la creme of the crop... worst part is that you want the girls to work the other way around, to offer "GFE" on the spot.
Like I said, we are not getting any younger and with every year that passes we need to triple the effort to get one to eat from our hands (not the other way around).

Carlos said in the Monterrey Section:

"Oh God... you are a dear good friend USB, but the truth is you totally blew it with the G girl.

#1. You never paid heed to advice.
#2. You dedicated too much time to her.
#3. She always had the upper hand.
#4. You violated the first law of ho's: you bar fined a girl from the same club she works in... we have a saying in Spanish that says "eyes that do not see; heart that doesn't feel"... she never knew exactly what you did after she left you... you had more than a bushel out there besides the Infinito girls and you had to land one from that club.... at that moment the G girl knew what she was dealing with: a backstabber.
#5. Please, lets us stick to the true facts: you were "unfaithful" (as in "this guy is wasting money on other ho???? what about me???... that money should be mine!!!) so, she just let you go.
#6. So now you are blaming her cause she opted to change her look? Is it her fault that you only see her for 5 days out of each every other month???
#7. Stop the messiah complex, right now... you do not have and will not have the influence to help anyone in the business... ever.
#8. Damn it!!! there are girls out their that enjoy your company...!!!! WE (and I mean you, me, Wasted, et al) are not getting younger... LOWER your weird standars and open your eyes at new options!!!
#9. Am going to bed (2:50 am)... ponder on this.
#10. Well... did you? Thought about it????"

This is a response to Carlos' comments in the Monterrey Section. I thought that with this developing into lengthy commentary from me, and also a solicitation of advice, it would be more appropriate here in the USB Section.

As for #8, and I quote "Damn it!!! there are girls out their that enjoy your company...!!!! WE (and I mean you, me, Wasted, et al) are not getting younger... LOWER your weird standards and open your eyes at new options!!!"

They might enjoy my company, but I do not necessarily enjoy theirs. Oh, they are ok...nice girls and all, but I want what I want...I GOT money, verdad!!! And, why is it that wanting to find a HOT girl, instead of an older, ugly, tall, and/or fat assed one is so wierd? I mean, I look for the hottest girls I can find, and I find them, they go with me, they seem to want to be there, etc...So, why would I lower my standards?

I have a wife that surpasses most of the sub-standard selection available in Monterrey if I were to lower my standards frankly, she even giving many of the younger girls a run for their money. Frankly, if I am going to engage in P4P, I am going to engage in it with HOT girls, and not lower my standards of selection when I have a decent standard of selection at home, all be she older. Fact is, she runs 3-5 miles a day. How many of those bar girls get up off the couch?

Now, with respect to my changing my attempts to engage so much in hi-bred GFE, then I agree with you. I have already resolved to change that about myself, mainly because I don't really like the idea of what I just did to my "G" girl. She did not deserve it. I was advising Wasted not to do it with his "P" girl, and I turn right around and do it to the best girl I have found in the entire world. But, frankly, sometimes the emotion can exceed my feable attempts to keep things from getting out of hand, so I can only try my best to keep things on a professional level in the future.

Besides, name a few girls that are actually going to show up, HOT girls, not those Casino types that cause me to heave and vomit everytime they sit down with me :D You are going to have to convince me. I am seriously considering taking a very long vacation from Monterrey after all this happening with my "G" girl.

Ok, well, I do have "T," "C," at Givenchy, "X" at Harem, "V" at Pasarelas, maybe "N" at Pasarelas, maybe "N" at Prestige, maybe this one, maybe that one....maybe, maybe, maybe, yes, but no show, maybe, yes, but no show, maybe...shit, I can go to Asia and have any that I want without all the aggravation, and I can have it with the intensity of my "G" girl's attentions, and all at a third the price, for todo la noche and then some.

I can go to Colombia, and even to the medicre venues of "Costa Rica," maybe try out Peru, maybe go to Panama...I can find GFE in spades, and with some very, very HOT girls. You are going to have to convince me that I can get my "G" girl back. You are going to have to intercede on my behalf, and CONVINCE HER THAT I LOVE HER like a romantic, non-sexual interest...and I do. She is wanting to believe I actually love her, and that I am not like all the rest. She is going to to have to believe that I do not want to stray from her, and that I actually do put her on a pedastal, or she will never consider allowing me to return.

Otherwise, other venues are looking much more enticing than the selection in Monterrey, especially when you tell me that I have to lower my standards. I will not do it. I will not do it and pay money for mediocre performance and fat, ugly, tall girls. :D

With respect to your other points, I think we agree on almost each of your other points Carlos. With some slight disagreement as to how I was advised to conduct myself in her bar by almost everyone else commenting on ISG, and I am not guilty of the "messiah complex" charge.

You are right about one thing, I absolutely, positively blew it with her. As I formerly stated, I know I let her down, but in much deeper ways than most will believe because everyone thinks she was in it for the money, that her reactions are strictly a ho's reactions, that she is reacting as though I am a client. I AM NOT a client, just as I was not a client with Angry Girl.

I always paid my "G" girl, and she made no more money working in the bar than I paid her to stay with me. I always took care to pay her an amount that would offset her earnings potential in the bar so she would not lose out. Because literally, she would have stayed with me and possibly run a deficit, which I realized was a NO WIN situation for me. Lately, I had started to bar fine her and pay her 1000 pesos because I did not want to jeapardize her job in the bar. I would pay a double bar fine, and Jarras was perfectly fine with it. So, I was not jeapardizing her job, nor was I cutting into her earnings.

Anyone who believes these girls earn in excess of about 1000 pesos a night in these bars, on average, is dreaming. I paid her well, but I paid her based on whatever I chose to give her. She was not, in the end jeapardizing her job. I was taking care of her on all fronts.

But, I DO NOT believe that she has cut off her biggest benefactor of all time because she is anything but feeling emotionally betrayed. In other words, if she were acting the ho, she would never have considered cutting off her biggest and most generous benefactor. I paid her the equivalent of 1000-1500 pesos a day, usually, and on rare occassions paying as little as 500 pesos very early on when she first expressed an interest in seeing me. But since the very first couple of months, my payments to her have been like clock work...a certain 1000 pesos a day, dinner, movies, shopping, with modest amounts of regalos.

I would patronize her in the privados, sometimes to the tune of (12-15) privados at a time, just to patronize her in her job, to make her successful in her job, to ensure that she would make salary on a particular day. Lately, I always asked her if I should spend some money on her in the privados, to help her with her job, and she would routinely discourage me from doing it, but not because she wanted any more of my money. But, simulataneously, she would routinely still show up for hours, and accept whatever money I had available for her, usually less than 1500 pesos, but generally at least 1000 pesos. It has nothing whatsoever to do with money.

Right up to the end, she was choosing to spend the time with me, and skip work, not because she felt an obligation as my ho, but because she felt something emotionally, and she was sick and tired of living her bar girl lifestyle. I never pressured her to skip work, or to spend so much time with me. I did tell her that I would spend as much time with her as she wanted, and could afford to spend with me. I always told her that she had other responsibilities and that I understood if she could not be there. Frankly, I could have used the time to see other girls without creating any problems for myself. But, the reality is, she chose to come whenever she could, as often as she could, and for as long a time as she could. I never encouraged her to jeapardize her job by skipping work. It was entirely her idea. All those accusations are things you project onto me Carlos, things that are simply not true.

I agree that she now sees me as a backstabber, and worse, because our's was not strictly a business relationship. I regret what I did to her immensely. I can't really understand why I did what I did, why I would be so stupid as to bar fine another girl from her same bar when I sensed the depth of her emotional legitimacy even in the midst of doubts created in my own mind because I knew she was a ho and working as a bar girl. It is really very difficult to intellectually reconcile that reality, and project onto them the sincerity that she did ultimately have for me. I doubted her, and denied that her feelings for me were as emotionally strong as they apparently were, thinking that she was probably just like all the other girls, that my being a Cabrone would not cause her to hurt so deeply.

I would have thought a girl in her position would have had a thicker skin with respect to our male urges, but I was totally wrong. She was hurt deeply, crying when I told her, telling me that it is like all the other times she has been hurt. It really hurt her. I had no idea it would hurt her that much or I would never have told her what I had done. I thought that by telling, and by promising not to do it again, she would appreciate the honesty, and that she would understand because she works with men and should understand those urges. But, it is because she was emotionally attached that she lost it. Again, it has nothing whatsoever to do with money, at least nothing whatsoever to do with my money.

We have all had this discussion numerous times on ISG where some of us openly bar fine other girls from the same bar all the time, and without any complications or repercussions. Need I go back in the archives and find the discussions about being a Cabrone in the bars, and letting them all know that you are in control, totally without regard for them? I always intellectually opposed that tactic, even though I ultimately made that tactical error myself. I sensed from the very beginning that it is, and was, the wrong tactic with her because I sensed the legitimacy of her emotion, even when I was skeptical that a bar girl could actually have any legitimacy of emotion.

She ultimately dropped me because I hurt her, she was angry, betrayed, and because she saw a legitimacy to our seeing each other, one that she believed was constantly at odds with her business, one that she sacrificed her business interests for, and one that I know her friends around her constantly criticized as detrimental to her business, and to her long term happiness. If she spent hours with me it was because she wanted to be there emotionally. There simply wasn't any financial motive for her otherwise, at least none that is over and above she simply showing up for work to earn her money versus being with me.

I think she finally started to believe that she was wasting her time with me with respect to legitimacy, but she was so torn emotionally, she could not help herself. I could see the writing on the wall after she told me of her plans to move to TJ. Even then, she was asking me if I would still come to be with her. When I told her I could not go that far, she proposed working in Reynosa instead so we could still be together. These are not the words of a ho. These are the words of a girl torn between being a ho and wanting to be something else. Mine is not the "messiah complex" you refer to in your post, but a cognitive conclusion that I made with respect to her particular state of mind, and my wishing that I could fulfill for her a dream that I know she hold deeply in her psyche. I DO NOT have a messiah complex for all these girls. Far from it...I could not generally care less. But, in her case, based on my being physically with her a week at a time, 12 hours a day, every three weeks, for a year, I am convinced of my conclusions about her dreams in life.

She claimed that she would be leaving as soon as December to take a legit job in TJ or Reynosa. Geeeee, that's a coincidence, TJ and Reynosa are probably the two next largest successful P4P venues. If going for a legitimate job, why not Mexico City, or Guadelajara, or wherever in the all of Mexico? No, I may be foolish, but I am not stupid.

I suspect that whomever is influencing her decisions, convinced her to believe she can make tons of money in TJ or Reynosa and they are the ones that are manifesting the changes in her, diverting her true nature from being a girl that simply wants what all women want in their lives, a faithful romantic interest that puts them exclusively on a pedastal, to a girl that is only concerned with the money she can earn. And, according to Porker, in TJ she could make $1000US a night. I suspect that is quite a temptation to her, and more importantly, to those that benefit from her work. She always told me that her friends constantly opposed her being with me legitimately. Those friends and relatives that influence her are the benefactees of her work. They are the ones that take from her in so many ways, and capitalize on what she does for a living.

I believe she did change over time, and the change is a result of a girl that is not satisfied with her body, a body that we would all die for, but in addition, I believe that her look is also simply the visual manifestation of that change in preparation for her decision to expand her business, a decision that I believe is promoted by those around her that benefit directly from her ability to earn (25) times the average wage in Mexico, which is about $38US a day. Remember, almost 50% of the population of Mexico is in poverty. You can do the math to discover the underlying influences that must compell her to work as she does. Where does all that money go if not to others within her family and a circle of friends? If I exhibited a "messiah complex" with her, it was because I sensed something in her that was worth saving. I do not exhibit that motivation with any of the other bar girls I have known.

But, here is the question...where do I go from here? Can I win her back, and if so, all you Cabrones, HOW? Comments are welcome. God knows there's nothing else on here to read, and no other issues brought to the forefront for us to participate in, so have at it.

How do I fix this, and have any of you had similiar circumstances? This is a very complicated scenario, and I am open to hearing all recommendations for fixing it with her. Surely, some of you Cabrones out there have had the same kind of situation develop in your long and illustrious careers. I am asking for your input, and open to your comments.

Member #3453

10-11-07, 20:46

Carlos says: "the 11th commandment: a ho does not drop you, you are the one that drops her."

Here is the problem...she ceased to be my ho a year ago, both in her own mind, and in mine. That is the issue. You still don't understand that we were both emotionally invested, and that it had little or nothing to do with P4P. I can understand if you want to lecture me on making a ho a girlfriend, and then being susceptible to all that drama...fine, I accept that. But, NO HO IN MTY SPENDS 8-12 HOURS, sometimes todo la noche, with you for 500-1000 pesos.

Name one that has done it routinely with any monger you know, either in your Yahoo group or on ISG. Pros simply do not cut you off completely unless they have significant emotional investment. She is not much of a ho if I ask her on salida, willing to pay the going rate, 1000 pesos, plus the bar fine, and she refuses because she is so angry with me emotionally that she can not tolerate looking at my face without crying.

If there was a mistake made, that was my mistake. Most of you cautioned me in that regard, and I understand your warnings, and accepted them as valid. But, the truth is, her performance would not have been to the standard of hi-bred GFE that it was had I not converted her from ho to girlfriend.

It has to do with their female makeup. If you want intense hi-bred GFE, they simply don't put out with the same level of intensity, no matter how good at ho-ing they are, until they are no longer your ho. So, there really is no comparison to a ho that is really emotionally invested. Admitedly, you must agree to take the good aspect of that with the bad if you want the hi-bred GFE.

As I said before, however, I am going to try to limit my exposure to similiar circumstances in the future, but some girls are more susceptible to that than others. My "G" girl was very susceptible to it, and I pounced on the opportunity the moment I recognized it in her, mostly because I was really attracted to her sincerity, and also because I knew the resulting GFE would be outstanding...and it was.

I have a few other girls that are quite similiar, even right now. But, it's just that I do not have the attraction that I had to my "G" girl, and until I betrayed my semi-sincere oath to her, I had no real intention of romancing any other girls. Now I'm back in circulation again, and perhaps time will tell... if I ever return to MTY.

Uhhmmmmm, Angry Girl was very sweet to me the other day, uhmmmm...Oh forget it...I am off to another venue. I had GFE out the wazoooo in Costa Rica a few years ago with a HOT, HOT, HOT girl from Nicaragua, an absolutely gorgeous dancer from Josephines. The flight to Costa Rica doesn't take me any longer than MTY. There are probably many more girls just like her that are available, all for todo la noche, all for about $80 and no bar fine. She was "G" girl category GFE and the emotional investment angle was coming along nicely. They are very open to it. They would like nothing more than to find a Gringo benefactor for real.

Carlos says: "And by the way, by changing your strict standards, I do not mean ugly girls..."

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you refer to girls like "N" at Prestige, then I accept her as eligible flesh. If you are recommending that I accept that cow that sat with me at Casino, then we are way off base with respect to having similiar taste. And, furthermore, there are 60 year old men in the PI and Thailand that have the hottest-assed things on their arms, and I am far from 60 years old...I am only 85 :D going on 15.

Why then, would I want to waste my time and money trying to cultivate girls in MTY if I am "out to pasture" in their eyes. But, make no mistake, those are your words and not mine. You are only limited by your own acceptance of limitations that accompany that bogus age issue. That age issue has some applicability, certainly, but it does not apply to females like it does to males. And, you can charm them beyond the age issue, whereas if I were to be the target of an attempt to be charmed by a middle aged women, I would probably barf.

If you like, I will prove it to you once again, that the age issue is a bogus one with a very large segment of the female population. I proved it with my "G" girl, Angry Girl, and Cindy #1, and I will prove it again....

NO, I will not prove it again. I am through wasting my time in MTY, except to return to visit Carlos, Porker, WastedG, Mr. L, Mr. G, MJ (if he every makes it, or provided I make it Morelia eventually), Woodway, etc...forgive me if I left anyone out.

MonterreyDude

10-12-07, 00:17

USB: "Name one that has done it routinely with any monger you know, either in your Yahoo group or on ISG. Pros simply do not cut you off completely unless they have significant emotional investment. She is not much of a ho if I ask her on salida, willing to pay the going rate, 1000 pesos, plus the bar fine, and she refuses because she is so angry with me emotionally that she can not tolerate looking at my face without crying."

In my Yahoo group... all the 20 something bachelors do it all the time and with girls you know from the Obsession, the Infinito, the Prestige, the Harem...

Carlos says: "the 11th commandment: a ho does not drop you, you are the one that drops her."

Here is the problem...she ceased to be my ho a year ago, both in her own mind, and in mine. That is the issue. You still don't understand that we were both emotionally invested, and that it had little or nothing to do with P4P. I can understand if you want to lecture me on making a ho a girlfriend, and then being susceptible to all that drama...fine, I accept that. But, NO HO IN MTY SPENDS 8-12 HOURS, sometimes todo la noche, with you for 500-1000 pesos.

Name one that has done it routinely with any monger you know, either in your Yahoo group or on ISG. Pros simply do not cut you off completely unless they have significant emotional investment. She is not much of a ho if I ask her on salida, willing to pay the going rate, 1000 pesos, plus the bar fine, and she refuses because she is so angry with me emotionally that she can not tolerate looking at my face without crying.

If there was a mistake made, that was my mistake. Most of you cautioned me in that regard, and I understand your warnings, and accepted them as valid. But, the truth is, her performance would not have been to the standard of hi-bred GFE that it was had I not converted her from ho to girlfriend.

It has to do with their female makeup. If you want intense hi-bred GFE, they simply don't put out with the same level of intensity, no matter how good at ho-ing they are, until they are no longer your ho. So, there really is no comparison to a ho that is really emotionally invested. Admitedly, you must agree to take the good aspect of that with the bad if you want the hi-bred GFE.

As I said before, however, I am going to try to limit my exposure to similiar circumstances in the future, but some girls are more susceptible to that than others. My "G" girl was very susceptible to it, and I pounced on the opportunity the moment I recognized it in her, mostly because I was really attracted to her sincerity, and also because I knew the resulting GFE would be outstanding...and it was.

I have a few other girls that are quite similiar, even right now. But, it's just that I do not have the attraction that I had to my "G" girl, and until I betrayed my semi-sincere oath to her, I had no real intention of romancing any other girls. Now I'm back in circulation again, and perhaps time will tell... if I ever return to MTY.

Uhhmmmmm, Angry Girl was very sweet to me the other day, uhmmmm...Oh forget it...I am off to another venue. I had GFE out the wazoooo in Costa Rica a few years ago with a HOT, HOT, HOT girl from Nicaragua, an absolutely gorgeous dancer from Josephines. The flight to Costa Rica doesn't take me any longer than MTY. There are probably many more girls just like her that are available, all for todo la noche, all for about $80 and no bar fine. She was "G" girl category GFE and the emotional investment angle was coming along nicely. They are very open to it. They would like nothing more than to find a Gringo benefactor for real.

Carlos says: "And by the way, by changing your strict standards, I do not mean ugly girls..."

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you refer to girls like "N" at Prestige, then I accept her as eligible flesh. If you are recommending that I accept that cow that sat with me at Casino, then we are way off base with respect to having similiar taste. And, furthermore, there are 60 year old men in the PI and Thailand that have the hottest-assed things on their arms, and I am far from 60 years old...I am only 85 :D going on 15.

Why then, would I want to waste my time and money trying to cultivate girls in MTY if I am "out to pasture" in their eyes. But, make no mistake, those are your words and not mine. You are only limited by your own acceptance of limitations that accompany that bogus age issue. That age issue has some applicability, certainly, but it does not apply to females like it does to males. And, you can charm them beyond the age issue, whereas if I were to be the target of an attempt to be charmed by a middle aged women, I would probably barf.

If you like, I will prove it to you once again, that the age issue is a bogus one with a very large segment of the female population. I proved it with my "G" girl, Angry Girl, and Cindy #1, and I will prove it again....

NO, I will not prove it again. I am through wasting my time in MTY, except to return to visit Carlos, Porker, WastedG, Mr. L, Mr. G, MJ (if he every makes it, or provided I make it Morelia eventually), Woodway, etc...forgive me if I left anyone out.

Member #3453

10-12-07, 01:30

USB: all the 20 something bachelors do it all the time and with girls you know from the Obsession, the Infinito, the Prestige, the Harem...

If we are not 20 something, we must use other methods to entice them to do so. We actually agree, meaning, we have to use other methods to entice the girls to spend time with us on those same terms, and NOT pay the full cost. I rest my case. I am thirty years their senior. It is doable.

This may come as a shock to some, but we are dealing with an alien life form, one that thinks, acts, and processes emotions differently than we do. If we understand them, we can use that knowledge against them successfully, and we don't have to be 20 something to accomplish unbelievably great things. This was the most profound thing I have every learned over the course of my entire life, one of life's little surprises about women...Thank God!!!

MonterreyDude

10-12-07, 02:12

Member #3453

10-12-07, 03:29

You are deviating from you question.... you asked if I knew people that saw the girls in a "GFE" fashion.

I would have included myself as a "close to 50" guy, but am married, so I can't do it, but I had plenty of opportunities AND with pretty girls, not my tall and wide ones.

Actually, the question was more specifically whether there are any you know of that have experienced, AS THEIR CONSISTENT ROUTINE, 8-12 HOUR LONG GFE sessions, such as those I routinely experienced with my "G" girl, each for a week at a time, every month, for the entire year, all for a mere 500-1000 pesos donation, and not whether their experiences are just of the GFE category.

I doubt if your Yahoo group 20 somethings experience 8-12 hour sessions, all for a mere pittance of 500-1000 pesos inclusive. That isn't to suggest that '"I" am particularly great, but merely to point out that the hi-bred GFE I am referring to is not what most experience, not even the 20 somethings. Yet, it is available if you know what to look for, and how to apply the psychology.

My "G" girl will not even speak to me because she knows that my words will convince her to see me again, even as poorly articulated as my Spanish sometimes is. She has completely cut me off, as did Angry Girl, as did Cindy #1. I venture far beyond the normal psychology of P4P with these girls, and it shows in their reluctance to expose themselves to my understanding of their inner needs and desires emotionally, and they literally fear being pursuaded by me because they know I understand exactly what buttons to push. My "G" girl is resolved to not allowing me to influence her further because she has other goals in life that I sabotage in her psychologically, and she knows it vividly. Furthermore, as you mentioned Carlos, she is very angry with me, believing me to be disengenous with her now, a backstabber.

If only she really understood the genuiness of my emotion for her, she would not be able to resist me. But, unfortunately, she will probably never really comprehend that I am as sincere as she believed me to be with her initially, and that is the unfortuanate thing, a loss for us both.

I agree with you that, certainly, the GFE is not uncommon for the younger age groups, and it is certainly not uncommon even for the middle aged guys that have some game. Of course, it is probably more available for the 20 somethings, certainly, but we get our share as older guys with some experience in the MTY venue.

But, what I was attempting to point out was that experiencing beyond the GFE, experiencing sincere emotional commitment from our hos, regardless of age, turning a young girl, ho or not, into a real girlfriend, one with actual feelings of sincerity, feelings that transcend the P4P experience, is quite possible for us, even as middle aged men, given the right set of circumstances.

It is not easy to do in MTY, but possible, and the younger one is, the easier it is to accomplish, certainly. But then, most younger guys would not want to convert a ho to a girlfriend for GFE affect...they already have their girlfriends for GFE, and their hos for sex. It is we older gentleman that need to fill in with hos as GFE girlfriends, killing two birds with one stone. The needs of 20 somethings are not the same as our needs as married, middle aged men.

Conversely, to further illustrate the difference between the sexes, and to compare the way men and women are influenced sexually as it relates to emotion, it is not easy for a middle aged women to legitimately interest a 20 something year old guy sexually unless there are significant financial incentives. However, with respect to our hos, we are sometimes able to pursuade them to see us for very little money, for long time sessions, and apparently for their own sexual gratification.

The fact that our young girlfriends are GFE, and that they do occassionally become emotionally bonded to us, actually desiring to be with us sexually, and for no discernable financial incentive, just further illustrates that we might as well be dealing with aliens for all most of us understand of the opposite sex as it compares to the male psyche. But, my point is that once we, as older men, understand the possibilities, and how to capitalize on them, the sky is the limit.

By the way Carlos, your selection of girls lately is the best I have ever seen in your company, and it also serves as simply another testiment to my theory that middle age is NOT as much a detriment as some would like us to believe it to be.

Because you are married, you are reluctant to push the envelope with respect to GFE salidas, and I understand that. But, honestly, it is more a function of your living in the venue coupled with your married status, right?

Were you in my shoes, able to apply your game without constraint, you would undoubtedly be partaking in GFE on salida on a regular and frequent basis, just as I do, and as an older guy. And, more accurately, were you to desire a "real" girlfriend GFE from your hos, it is quite likely that you would easily accomplish the conversion of one of your hos to a girlfriend of sincere emotional commitment, assuming you would even be interested in such a thing, just as I did with my "G" girl. That kind of scenario may not be your desire, but it is none the less quite possible, and even for we that are middle aged males, austensibly "out to pasture."

We all have different preferences and definitions for GFE, and my ultimate GFE is to have the heart and sincere affection of several of my hos. It is the goal, sometimes realized, and sometimes not, but it is the goal, and certainly achievable, even as a middle aged male. That is the profound truth that all that are only twenty something now will rejoice in when they actually reach middle age, if and when they are fortunate enough, and enlightened enough when the time comes, to comprehend these truths about the female sex.

MonterreyDude

10-12-07, 08:57

USB says: "I doubt if your Yahoo group 20 somethings experience 8-12 hour sessions, all for a mere pittance of 500-1000 pesos inclusive"

Worse... they get it for free.
There are 3 in the group (you have met 2) that in fact have had the best girls without paying a Mexican centavo for them... exactly like Mr. L that doesn't have to pay a nickle or a dime for it after the first time.

Actually, the question was more specifically whether there are any you know of that have experienced, AS THEIR CONSISTENT ROUTINE, 8-12 HOUR LONG GFE sessions, such as those I routinely experienced with my "G" girl, each for a week at a time, every month, for the entire year, all for a mere 500-1000 pesos donation, and not whether their experiences are just of the GFE category.

I doubt if your Yahoo group 20 somethings experience 8-12 hour sessions, all for a mere pittance of 500-1000 pesos inclusive. That isn't to suggest that '"I" am particularly great, but merely to point out that the hi-bred GFE I am referring to is not what most experience, not even the 20 somethings. Yet, it is available if you know what to look for, and how to apply the psychology.

My "G" girl will not even speak to me because she knows that my words will convince her to see me again, even as poorly articulated as my Spanish sometimes is. She has completely cut me off, as did Angry Girl, as did Cindy #1. I venture far beyond the normal psychology of P4P with these girls, and it shows in their reluctance to expose themselves to my understanding of their inner needs and desires emotionally, and they literally fear being pursuaded by me because they know I understand exactly what buttons to push. My "G" girl is resolved to not allowing me to influence her further because she has other goals in life that I sabotage in her psychologically, and she knows it vividly. Furthermore, as you mentioned Carlos, she is very angry with me, believing me to be disengenous with her now, a backstabber.

If only she really understood the genuiness of my emotion for her, she would not be able to resist me. But, unfortunately, she will probably never really comprehend that I am as sincere as she believed me to be with her initially, and that is the unfortuanate thing, a loss for us both.

I agree with you that, certainly, the GFE is not uncommon for the younger age groups, and it is certainly not uncommon even for the middle aged guys that have some game. Of course, it is probably more available for the 20 somethings, certainly, but we get our share as older guys with some experience in the MTY venue.

But, what I was attempting to point out was that experiencing beyond the GFE, experiencing sincere emotional commitment from our hos, regardless of age, turning a young girl, ho or not, into a real girlfriend, one with actual feelings of sincerity, feelings that transcend the P4P experience, is quite possible for us, even as middle aged men, given the right set of circumstances.

It is not easy to do in MTY, but possible, and the younger one is, the easier it is to accomplish, certainly. But then, most younger guys would not want to convert a ho to a girlfriend for GFE affect...they already have their girlfriends for GFE, and their hos for sex. It is we older gentleman that need to fill in with hos as GFE girlfriends, killing two birds with one stone. The needs of 20 somethings are not the same as our needs as married, middle aged men.

Conversely, to further illustrate the difference between the sexes, and to compare the way men and women are influenced sexually as it relates to emotion, it is not easy for a middle aged women to legitimately interest a 20 something year old guy sexually unless there are significant financial incentives. However, with respect to our hos, we are sometimes able to pursuade them to see us for very little money, for long time sessions, and apparently for their own sexual gratification.

The fact that our young girlfriends are GFE, and that they do occassionally become emotionally bonded to us, actually desiring to be with us sexually, and for no discernable financial incentive, just further illustrates that we might as well be dealing with aliens for all most of us understand of the opposite sex as it compares to the male psyche. But, my point is that once we, as older men, understand the possibilities, and how to capitalize on them, the sky is the limit.

By the way Carlos, your selection of girls lately is the best I have ever seen in your company, and it also serves as simply another testiment to my theory that middle age is NOT as much a detriment as some would like us to believe it to be.

Because you are married, you are reluctant to push the envelope with respect to GFE salidas, and I understand that. But, honestly, it is more a function of your living in the venue coupled with your married status, right?

Were you in my shoes, able to apply your game without constraint, you would undoubtedly be partaking in GFE on salida on a regular and frequent basis, just as I do, and as an older guy. And, more accurately, were you to desire a "real" girlfriend GFE from your hos, it is quite likely that you would easily accomplish the conversion of one of your hos to a girlfriend of sincere emotional commitment, assuming you would even be interested in such a thing, just as I did with my "G" girl. That kind of scenario may not be your desire, but it is none the less quite possible, and even for we that are middle aged males, austensibly "out to pasture."

We all have different preferences and definitions for GFE, and my ultimate GFE is to have the heart and sincere affection of several of my hos. It is the goal, sometimes realized, and sometimes not, but it is the goal, and certainly achievable, even as a middle aged male. That is the profound truth that all that are only twenty something now will rejoice in when they actually reach middle age, if and when they are fortunate enough, and enlightened enough when the time comes, to comprehend these truths about the female sex.

Member #3453

10-12-07, 11:32

Mill Just

10-14-07, 09:45

Now, guys, let me throw this theory out to you and, although Uno will surely refute it, it may be the closest to the truth regarding your "G" girl"

"G" girl saw Uno as a kind benefactor, a lifeline to another world and a lifeline to a better way of life. It never hurts to have a kind, well-off gringo as an ally, especially one who is so crazy for you. "G" was even willing to lower her monetary expectations in exchange for cultivating this ally for future benefit. (This is a common tactic among many pros and non-pros alike). However, this "relationship," in order to continue, had to have some sort of pay-off in the end for her or it was all just a waste of time.

Time passes and its becoming more and more possible that there won't be any big pay-off for her and, although, she may enjoy Uno's company and think of him as a decent man, this "relationship" has to end, because, despite not having any formal education, she knows that her time as a top earner is lmited and she needs to make as much $$$ as possible in as short a time as possible. So she looks for any reason to back out. She ultimately finds out about Uno bar fining another chica and uses that as the excuse, half because she's just looking for a dignified way to back out of this non-profitable "relationship" and half because, by bar-fining a chica from the same bar, maybe Uno isn't the poor, puppy dog after all. Maybe he won't be the long-time mark. In any case, she backs out in the most female way possible- by making you think its something you did and leaving you with all the guilt and blame.

In reality, the die was cast when Uno started showing his distaste with her fake boobs. In her mind were the following thoughts: I'm hanging around with this middle-aged man, I'm not making any real money, there doesn't appear to be any pay-off in the future and now he's criticizing me for doing something to bring me more business? How dare he! Now, let me just find something to allow me a split...

Don't believe the tears! I'm not being negative, I'm being real. These girls are pros at manipulating men and they are not shy about getting what they want. A bar girl who wants a legit relationship with a guy doesn't continue to blow other guys for money and then get mad when you take out another girl. And if they do get jealous about you taking out another chica, they're jealous of the money that they should've been getting from you and NOT about the relation you're having with another chica...

"G" girl was just looking for a way out and all the rest is in your own head...This is why strip clubs are not called dating services. Trying to find a legit relationship in a strip club is like planning your retirement portfolio by playing the lottery. Strip clubs exist so that we can have sex with many different hot women and if you want a GF, try meeting her at a church social, through a mutial friend, etc...but NOT in a place where guys negotiate handjobs in the back room while nude chicas with fake boobs prance around a pole...

In any case, too bad you guys couldn't come to Morelia. I had a bit of an epiphany over the last few days that I wrote about in the Morelia section, but I had a great time getting that epiphany... ;)

Member #3453

10-14-07, 11:17

Now, guys, let me throw this theory out to you and, although Uno will surely refute it, it may be the closest to the truth regarding your "G" girl"

I concur with you 100%...I am going to say it a little differently here...

I realize that as we deal with these girls, we are dealing with persons of limited depth, and certainly with persons that operate on an entirely different plane of existence than most of us. But, that having been said, I do believe that she held a legitimate feeling for me, certainly in the moment, and I believe also when I was not there. I believe that she was emotionally torn between what I believe she actually felt in her heart, and her responsibility to herself. Those feelings can easily run concurrently, and especially so for a bar girl.

MJ, I think all of what you said in your comments with respect to her motivations are definitely true, but that they also ran concurrent with feelings of sincerity. There were just too many instances, legitimate displays, all witnessed over an entire year, all for long periods of time, too many to be totally disengenuous on her part. I don't believe she was that great an actress. She simply wasn't that sophisticated a bar girl con woman, IMHO. I have dealt with those that are much more accomplished than she. But, I do also believe that she was in it for reasons that are primarily monetary, hoping to enrich her condition in life. Except that, I also believe that her emotions ran concurrent with her other motivations. If that not be the case, just as was the case with Angry Girl, why kill the golden goose? Why get all bothered over it? Why cut it off completely? I mean, were she actually that sophisticated a con woman, she would have found a better way to capitalize. No, I think that her emotional reactions to my behaviors were 100% that, emotional reactions, ones that she sincerly felt.

I also think that she had significant influences from friends and family, and I believe she was torn between their advice to move on, versus her own emotional bonds, which I do sincerely believe had some legitimacy. With these bar girls, there are so many benefactees leaching their talents in the form of support, money, housing, food, etc...that their lives are not their own. If she was forfeiting her potentially higher income to see me, which I believe she was, then they, the leaches, were probably going a little "hungry" in comparison at times, especially when I was there.

Until I told her that I bar fined the other girl, she did not display any desire to break it off. For the entire two months prior to my visit last week, she was more "committed" to proliferating the "relationship" than ever before, and she demonstrated that in many ways. But, I believe that she was frustrated at being distracted from her ultimate purpose in life by keeping me around, that she no longer saw a potential emotional and/or financial payoff, just as you said, and that by my jilting her by bar fining another girl, it simultaneously permitted her to refocus her goals with respect to not only me, but to also emotionally justify changes that I believe will have her moving from the Monterrey area in the not too distant future, austensibly to take a legitimate job, but more likely to start ho-ing in a more lucrative market.

Until I provided that excuse, the "other bar girl competitor," an excuse for her to feel negative feelings toward me emotionally, she was quite seemingly hesitant about moving on. In the final analysis, who knows...It was great while it lasted. I think that I am frequently misconstrued due to the drama contained in my posts, and that I should probably clarify my actual position at this juncture so all will understand my intellectual position on the matter.

It occurs to me upon my own intrinsic reflection and analysis that what I wrote previously with respect to the "loss" has more to do with the loss of the scenario, and not the loss of the specific person. Certainly, I know her relatively well as a person, and I don't mean to imply that I don't care about her, because I do. I care and pitty all my girls, and I have a concern for them that is almost paternal in nature. It is apparently just a part of my bleeding heart "mesiah complex" that Carlos accuses me of. But, I also realize that my dilusions serve to proliferate the best GFEs, so I remain willingly, blissfully ignorant of the hopelessness of caring for them, intentionally, for the return of a better GFE effect.

But, to be totally honest, and to further illustrate how I actually think, for me, it's more a matter of loss over having found and lost the consumate GFE in a place where is it relatively rare. My motivations are no better than hers really, and probably even less genuine than I believe she might have been with me. At least she has economic justification on her side. My motivations are primarily sexual, where the sexual experience is enhanced by GFE kinds of behavior, preferrably sincere ones exhibited by them, but if not sincere, then hopefully at least believable by all appearances.

With respect to our compatibility outside the hotel room, I could tell you things about her bohemian behaviors that would illustrate just how incompatible the two us really were outside the hotel room. I fully recognize that she is not of "my world."

I was frequently somewhat appalled at witnessing some of her social behaviors, behaviors that are really quite common with respect to her particular class of individual. But, that having been said, she was the perfect GFE for the moment, and I will miss her. But, as I said, I fully realize that what I miss is the scenario, and all the stuff that goes with it. The important thing is, I realize the distinction between loss of a loved one, a true girlfriend in the real sense, versus the loss of a situation or a scenario.

So, hopefully that will more fully define an accurate portrayal of my thoughts and feelings, and perhaps MJ and others will understand that I am less altruistically revealing myself now as a love sick "boyfriend," and more as the consumate monger that I am, more so at least than my writings sometimes appear to exhibit me.

Frankly, I have been through this same thing with my girlfriends several times. All of them have returned. Angry Girl is making an effort to repair the rift between us now, and I expect that my "G" girl will come around also, if she remains in the area. The longest standing relationship is with Cindy #1, and she has actually evolved into one of the most compliant and willingly participatory girlfriends that I have ever had, total GFE at this juncture, and NO drama. I know Carlos will cringe at that realization, but the reality is, after five years, she has dropped all the pretensions, and she just delivers what she knows I want, long time, with affection, sincerity, carino, and all at a good price.

MJ, as I said before in our PMs, I sincerely regret the postponement, but it is just a postponement. I will someday enjoy meeting you in person. I hope you had a great time in my absence. I haven't had a chance to check the Morelia thread. I'll do that soon, in anticipation of reading your exploits last week in Morelia, and I hope you had a great time. We'll catch up to each other one of these days.

Mill Just

10-14-07, 11:25

So, does this mean that your "G" girl is up for grabs now? If I come up Norte, can I take a crack at her? I simply MUST know her now after reading so much about her...;)

But, I must warn, I am the love 'em and leave 'em type...

I concur with you 100%...I realize that as we deal with these girls, we are dealing with persons of limited depth and sincerity. But, I do believe that she held a legitimate feeling for me, certainly in the moment, and I believe even at times when I was not there, but that she was emotionally torn between what I believe she actually felt in the moment, and her responsibility to herself and her condition in life.

I think all of what you said in your comments with respect to her motivations ran concurrent with feelings of sincerity. There were just too many instances, legitimate displays, all witnessed over an entire year, all for long periods of time, and I don't believe she was that great an actress. She simply wasn't that sophisticated a bar girl con woman, IMHO. I have dealt with those that are much more accomplished than she.

I also think that she had significant influences from friends and family, and I believe she was torn between their advice to move on, versus her own emotional bonds, which I do sincerely believe had some legitimacy. With these bar girls, there are so many benefactees leaching their talents in the form of support, money, etc...that their lives are not their own. If she was forfeiting her potentially higher income to see me, which I believe she was, then they were probably going a little "hungry" at times.

Until I told her that I bar fined the other girl, she did not display any desire to break it off. For the entire two months prior to my visit last week, she was more "committed" to proliferating the "relationship" than ever before. But, I believe that she was frustrated at being distracted from her ultimate purpose in life by keeping me around, and that, as you say, permitted her to refocus her goals with respect to not only me, but to also clear the way for changes that I believe will have her ho-ing in TJ in the not too distant future.

Until I provided that excuse, the "other woman," an excuse for her to feel negative feelings toward me, she was quite seemingly hesitant about moving on...she was seemingly torn over it emotionally, but resolved to doing it intellectually.

In the final analysis, who knows...It was great while it lasted. It occurs to me upon my own reflection here back in the States that what I wrote about with respect to the "loss" has more to do with the loss of the scenario, and not the loss of the specific person. Certainly, I know her relatively well as a person, and I don't mean to imply that I don't care about her because I do. I care and pitty all my girls. But, I realize that it's more a matter of loss over having found and lost the consumate GFE in a place where is it relatively rare.

I could tell you things about her unsophisicated behavior, totally bohemian kinds of behaviors she exhibited with me in private, and in public, things that would illustrate her lack of proper social etiquette and behavior, things that we as more sophisticated, educated, more refined types of individuals would not be caught dead doing in public, or even in the presence of our loved ones. So, I fully recognize that she is not a compatible type of companion. But, that having been said, she was the perfect GFE for the moment, and I will miss her. But, as I said, I miss the scenario. The important thing is, I realize the distinction.

Member #3453

10-14-07, 12:19

So, does this mean that your "G" girl is up for grabs now? If I come up Norte, can I take a crack at her? I simply MUST know her now after reading so much about her...;)

But, I must warn, I am the love 'em and leave 'em type...

I added more comments to my former post...I know you will want to read them :D But to answer your question...

Sure...as I commentd before however, most that take a crack at her, IMHO, will wonder what all the fuss was about with respect to my accolades about her. You know as well as I do, with each of these girls, there is an element of actual chemistry that exists. For us, the chemistry was there. I can't be sure of that for all others concerned. And, honestly, were you to take a crack at her, and in order to actually enjoy the full measure of her attentions, one would probably have to take her on salida. I don't know if she has decided to resume doing salidas or not. Perhaps Carlos knows. But, honestly, I am ambivolent either way. There are other GFEs out there. As I said before, the loss I feel is the same one I sometimes feel after having just lost a "good customer." But, when that happens, I go looking for other good customers....there are a million of them out there, you just have to find them. That is were I sigh with remorse at the prospect of having to engage in the hunt once again. I guess I'm just getting lazy.

MonterreyDude

10-14-07, 17:24

I must concur with MJ and disagree with USB... again.

USB keeps complaining that it's very difficult to find a "GFE" here in Mty... I must insist that USB did not stumble on to the G girl by chance... he already knew her for almost a year before declaring her his "GFE".

USB has developed a low treshold for patience trying to land a girl.
I talked to the L girl at the Prestige on Friday... she told me that she kinda liked USB but that his insistance on seeing her outside working hours were just irking her.

I totally agree with MJ that the girls will try to manipulate the relationship and something I posted somewhere here, that USB never fully controled his ties with the G girl.

As a matter of fact and I also told this to USB, he always thought his rules ruled when the law of the Strip Club aplies over everything.
(For example, his total surprise when he nearly got kicked out of the Infinito and how he did get kicked out of the Givenchy).

Up to today USB still thinks that the G girl changed adversly to him. Yes, the G girl has anted up her self esteem, but if someone acted wrongly here was USB that "fixed" his relationship with Angry Girl (something I told him CONSTANTLY he should drop and forget and NEVER paid attention to sane advice) and foolishly barfining a girl from the same club.

Stop saying that the G girl is torn with family and job, or that she wants to move up to a different job and that the flood of contradictive emotions changed the girl.

You totally betrayed the "plus" she was giving you... Biblicly speaking you sold your first-born for a plate of lentille.

You did it cause you thought you had everything under control... whilst it was the opposite.

And now you are asking me if she is back doing salidas?
What are you expecting? a long period of emotional mourning????

Truthfully I don't know if she is back to work. Believe it or not I have been trading my Friday afternoons at the Infinito for my version of GFE with one of my Casino girls (been like 3 Friday now), so I have no news from the Infinito.

I added more comments to my former post...I know you will want to read them :D But to answer your question...

Sure...as I commentd before however, most that take a crack at her, IMHO, will wonder what all the fuss was about with respect to my accolades about her. You know as well as I do, with each of these girls, there is an element of actual chemistry that exists. For us, the chemistry was there. I can't be sure of that for all others concerned. And, honestly, were you to take a crack at her, and in order to actually enjoy the full measure of her attentions, one would probably have to take her on salida. I don't know if she has decided to resume doing salidas or not. Perhaps Carlos knows. But, honestly, I am ambivolent either way. There are other GFEs out there. As I said before, the loss I feel is the same one I sometimes feel after having just lost a "good customer." But, when that happens, I go looking for other good customers....there are a million of them out there, you just have to find them. That is were I sigh with remorse at the prospect of having to engage in the hunt once again. I guess I'm just getting lazy.

Member #3453

10-14-07, 22:07

carlos says in quotes..."i must concur with mj and disagree with usb... again.
usb keeps complaining that it's very difficult to find a "gfe" here in mty... i must insist that usb did not stumble on to the g girl by chance... he already knew her for almost a year before declaring her his "gfe"."

that is true...but, frankly, she chose me. it is difficult to find my brand of gfe in monterrey, and certainly difficult to find the same kind of "service" that my "g" girl delivered routinely for a year. honestly, for a year, i totally ignored her pursuits. only after she pursued me with significant effort did i pay any attention, and that was only after i became available following my fight with angry girl. had i not broken up with angry girl, i might not have ever considered seeing my "g" girl.

"usb has developed a low treshold for patience trying to land a girl. i talked to the l girl at the prestige on friday... she told me that she kinda liked usb but that his insistance on seeing her outside working hours were just irking her."

you are right...i have totally run out of patience. and, i don't have an "l" girl at prestige. i do have a "n" girl, if you can call getting a peck on the cheek "having something." if you are referring to "n," just when do i anticipate getting to have some fun beyond a peck on the cheek in exchange for 800-1000 pesos worth of drinks each time i visit her? if she feels that way about me, and has no intention of meeting me outside the club, then there is no reason to return. i don't enjoy blue balls. damn right, i'm frustrated. in this, i believe mj will agree with me with respect to time wasted at strip clubs, and especially high end ones. i suspect i will need to have a "reverse epiphany" about her in order to be motivated sufficiently to return to see "n" at this juncture. see what she has to say about that.

"i totally agree with mj that the girls will try to manipulate the relationship and something i posted somewhere here, that usb never fully controled his ties with the g girl."

first, let me qualify this statement by saying that i do not blame the advice i received as being the thing that finally did me in with my "g" girl, so don't misinterpret what i am about to say. but, frankly, the one time i acted the cabrone, not even doing it in plain view of her, but bar fining a girl from the night shift, and then foolishly telling "g" about it, that is what did me in. i can go back and find the posts where the recommendations were that i should see as many girls and whatever girls i choose to see in order to show her whom was boss, and that i should do so right in front of her...but, that would be a lot of work to find the exact words of my handlers, with little or no pay-off as an end result. so, my handlers are all off the hook for now. but, to set the record straight, if you will all remember, my strategy was to treat her like the girlfriend she was, and to only see girls outside her club, which is what i routinely did for a year, even as i was routinely admonished by the senior members on isg for my exclusivity angle, a strategy that i also articulated i would engage in instead of the advice i was receiving to act the cabrone.

whom will back me up, whom remembers me saying these things??? please, from the peanut gallery...give me some support, ok??? i relayed that strategy here on these very pages countless times.

don't misunderstand my writings here as sour grapes, or accuse me of playing the blame game. my the decision to bar fine another girl was entirely my own, and the stupidity to tell her about it was my own stupidity. i take full responsibility. but playing the cabrone is what did me in with her. make no mistake about it. the reason she broke it off was that we had a commitment between us, and i broke it, which burst her dilusional bubble. she is just the typical hot latin girl with a very unforgiving temper, and one that does not see me in the same light anymore. it is that simple...

"as a matter of fact and i also told this to usb, he always thought his rules ruled when the law of the strip club aplies over everything.
(for example, his total surprise when he nearly got kicked out of the infinito and how he did get kicked out of the givenchy)."

i did not get kicked out of either club. i was totally left alone when i used the name of the manager at el infinito, and instructed the goon to check with jarras. i voluntarily left givenchy because i was tired, it was 3am, and i did not wish to sit and wait any longer with a drink in my hand for a girl that was seemingly going to be tied up for a long time more. i simply refused to buy a drink because i did not want to wait, so i left. that is far from being asked to leave, or being removed from a club. making a peaceful and contemplative decision to leave in lieu of buying a drink at their request is not being kicked out.

"up to today usb still thinks that the g girl changed adversly to him. yes, the g girl has anted up her self esteem, but if someone acted wrongly here was usb that "fixed" his relationship with angry girl (something i told him constantly he should drop and forget and never paid attention to sane advice) and foolishly barfining a girl from the same club."

i acted wrongly, at least strategically, yes. i played the cabrone when i should have been acting differently toward her. i appreciated her for what she was to me, and i should have treated her differently. i have articulated how special she was to me numerous times on isg, and i also articulated how i believed i should treat her to keep the gfe going. i successfully did so for a whole frickin' year, and in exchange for time and price points that are simply unheard of in mty p4p. i am sorry it went the way it did, primarily because i know i hurt her, something i wished i had not done. she did not deserve it, and i underestimated the depth of what would ultimately be her disappointment in me, and the ramifications of her disappointment in me. i embraced the advice that she was just a ho, and that i was her client, and that she would simply react like a ho. well, she reacted like a real girlfriend. cutting me off completely, breaking all ties, no texts, no talking, no nothing, does not strike me as the tactic of your typical ho that wants to play her mark and get money out of him. she knows i would pay her well, even by all normal standard, and she will not consider it with me. she will not take my money at this juncture, she will not see me, talk to me, or even look at me. i don't know, but that does not seem to be anything other than emotional reactions of a legitimate type. if she were simply in the "relationship" for money, she most surely realizes my willingness to pay her money to continue seeing her, but i fail to see how her tactic is going to yield any money from me now, or in the future. it seems to me that she must work much, much harder now, 8-9 hours for the very same amount of money i paid her to go to movies, each dinner, go shopping, lie in bed, watch tv, listen to music, etc...i guess i need to attend more classes at harvard business school because she doesn't seem to be following any kind of business strategy i am familiar with. she seems to be reacting like i was her boyfriend, one that betrayed her trust, one that she has lost all confidence in, and one that she prefers to prove something to, that she was not in it for the money. funny, angry girl said the same thing, and i am rekindling that friendship. maybe there is still hope for me and my "g" girl too.

as for changes in her personality, i noticed the changes the moment she got the fake boobs, and you will too if you haven't already. i am not sure that it is necessarily a bad thing for her to have increased confidence, but it changed what things i liked about her personality. it did not change her treatment of me in the least bit. but, it changed what things about her personality that i originally found attractive in her. obviously, the changes in her were not enough for me to break it off, but frankly, something must have motivated me to bar fine another girl. i wish i hadn't done anything to jeapardize my time with her because i will miss the way she treated me, and i will miss her right up until the time that i find her replacement and beyond. but, none the less, it occurs to me that perhaps it was time for a change, and subconsciously, i took the plunge, hoping not to jeapardize a sure thing, but to risk it for the promise of better things to come...i risked it and lost...for now.

"stop saying that the g girl is torn with family and job, or that she wants to move up to a different job and that the flood of contradictive emotions changed the girl."

think what you will...i am totally and completely convinced that the pressures that were brought to bare on her is what motivated her to break it off, along with my stupid behavior as the catalyst and justification for her to emotionally do so. i do not think the pressures changed her attitude toward me, but they did create a conflict between what she wanted to do, and what she had to do. i believe my stupid cabronish behavior changed her attitude and feeling toward me. if i had been smarter, i would never have bar fined the other girl, and we would still be together today as a result.

"you totally betrayed the "plus" she was giving you... biblicly speaking you sold your first-born for a plate of lentille. you did it cause you thought you had everything under control... whilst it was the opposite."

no, i made a stupid tactical error by playing the cabrone with a girl that wanted something more from me, something i failed to give sufficient legitimate consideration to, due to the nature of her job, due to my own skepticism about her sincerity, due to my own stupidity at not realizing that the proper tactic of exclusivity needed to continue, due to advice on isg that she was simply playing me as a client, and due to my believing she would forgive me if i told her what i had done. i wronged her, revealed it to her, which caused a chain reaction that resulted to my own detriment. i will know better next time. but, next time may be very long in coming...that is my regret, along with the fact that i sincerely believe i hurt her feelings, and i did not mean to. i wish i could take it back.

"and now you are asking me if she is back doing salidas?
what are you expecting? a long period of emotional mourning????"

no, i expect nothing from her. i fully expect her to resume her work in the bar. she has made her decision that the money, and the business are far more important to her future. i am not so sure i disagree with her. she has no future with me. i always told her that. but, now, with her believing i was not the person she believed me to be over the last year, or the bfe she envisions for the future, after now believing i have revealed my true nature to her, the consumate cabrone, it is easier for her to make the break and continue on with her business. i fully expect her to conduct herself as the consumate ho she aspires to be, and is undoubtedly very good at being...i can only wish her good luck, and perhaps hope that if she hangs around, she will eventually soften up like angry girl seems to be, and how cindy #1 is now at this juncture in time. in the meantime, if i return to mty, it will be to expand my options. but, frankly, the effort required is so monumental to achieve the high i have just come off of, that i suspect future visits will possibly only prove to be disappointing, at least for a while. i wish i felt otherwise, but i know how difficult it is to find good girls like my "g" girl. they are few and far between.

"truthfully i don't know if she is back to work. believe it or not i have been trading my friday afternoons at the infinito for my version of gfe with one of my casino girls (been like 3 friday now), so i have no news from the infinito."

congratulations on your gfe...have fun!

Member #3453

10-15-07, 04:21

Carlos says in the Monterrey Section: "Me? You are the one that wants a blast form the past... not me. Told you a hundred times you should have burried her long time ago. She is bad news and you don't believe it... she openly, frontaly and unebarrassedly controls you. Need to make it more clear???"

How does Cindy #1 control me now...these days? In what specific ways? I will admit that she ran a game on me initially, four years ago. But, that was four years ago.

I fully understand her potential volatilities, but I also know the performance level of other options in comparison, and I know them all first hand, after having been with her since the year 2003 or sooner. In the moment, she is a pretty good performer. The last time I bar fined her, two months ago, she agreed to go to my hotel for free, stayed 5 hours, and I gave her 1000 pesos anyway. Her performance was among the best of all bar fines over the course of at least five years.

Then, the following day, I went to Pasarelas and sat with an entirely new girl, even with Cindy #1 sitting right by my side, all while I fondled and entertained her potential next night's replacement. The 1000 pesos I had given her the night before kept "me" in control. She eventually left my side to find other prospects.

I fail to see where she has any control over me whatsoever, and she knows it. She is the one in need of my money, and she knows I have many, many, other options. I am in total control over that one.

But, more specifically regarding my "G" girl, how can you postulate that I lost control over anything in that scenario? What??? A year of hi-bred GFE is not significant enough performance to prove my point? How much more control do I need to demonstrate??? What??? Do you mean that 8-12 hour sessions for 1000 pesos, all delivered exactly to my complete and total satisfaction, for as many days of the week I desire her by my side is not significant enough of a testimonial to demonstrate the range of my control over her.

Fact is, I was still, even up until the afternoon of October 5th, in total control of my "G" girl until I stupidly played the Cabrone, bar fined another girl the previous night, and told her about it. It was at that exact moment that I lost control. For an entire year, and up until that very moment, the moment I told her, she was responding to my every whim, and for a fraction of what it costs for P4P in Monterrey.

I sincerely fail to see where I lost control of anything up until eight days ago, except of course to pull such a stupid stunt as to sabotage what I had going with my "G" girl by acting out Cabronish behaviors. That, I will admit, is exactly when I lost control, exactly 8 days ago. For the previous 365 days, my "G" girl was everything I could ever have hoped for in Monterrey, and then some.

So, now I am at this juncture...So, now, what are the wise and potentially successful recommendations that will fix my problems with my "G" girl at this juncture, eight days after losing control. The lack of control is in the here and now with her?

I did not need the advice to proliferate an unbelievable GFE for an entire year...but now, yes...I need to consider as many different kinds of advice as possible.

Frankly, I doubt there is any proper advice to give because this was not a typical client/bar girl relationship. All the mongering experience in the world will not repair this rift. I need the advice of a true Don Juan to know how to recover this scenario. I am all ears...but, unfortunately, I fear that most that are strictly into a mongering mindset will not really understand how to fix this problem. It is a different scenario than we are used to dealing with, and in order to fix it, one must think totally outside the box.

For those that believe this is just a simple client/bar girl relationship, lets hear your advice as to how to handle the situation from a mongering point of view. I will listen intently, and consider all legitimate offers of advice. Then, upon implementing the advice, I will report back as to the kinds of results I find. Come now, you must have some mongering advice...if in fact you truly believe this is simply a client/bar girl scenario.

MonterreyDude

10-15-07, 04:42

Clear as water:
Cindy #1 stabbed you in the back... and you are trying to revive the old day you had with her.
No aguring there.... she is hooking you up totally.
She sent you a text message telling you where she is now... she doesn't want to loose extra income coming from you.
I am not blind and I know the dead old girl routine of trying to hook the old customer back.
We have seen it with Wasted's old D girl... she tried to hook him back, when Wasted refused to budge, she just drifted away.

My old G girl returned to the Obsession... on the spot she tried in front of all the other girls to hook me by telling me in front of them "who ever gave you a better blow job than I did"...
That USB, is marking her old ground, me, but she already lost me... I don't go back to girls that betray, lie, give away false pretense, etc...

My J girl at the Matehaula lost me when she told all the others that she was not charging me for sex... that is trying to hook me totally, mark me as hers.
For a couple of times I went to the Matehuala the girls would yell at J "here comes the freebie".... I was the butt joke of the club.
A girl does not do that to me under her terms... no sir.
That is why I decided to stop going to the Matehuala... haven't laid foot there in ages.

USB: that's what they do to you... whatever they want, once they know you are vulnerable.

And we told you once: you've dealt with real good girls, cause there are many out there that will tear you to pieces, suck you dry if they realize you are vulenrable....
Unluckly, you have run into 2 major *****es: Cindy #1 and Angry Girl (al least you have rid yourslef of Cindy #2).

And you are back with both of them!!!!

PS: USB, you are a good guy, not a bad guy... meaning you are defintly not a "cabron".
A cabron is someone whose girls will stand up and come and say hello even if they are busy with someone and will beg for you to stay and not leave but in turn you'll answer "It's Ok, you are busy, I'll go to the Infinito... plenty of girls over there".
A cabron is like me, that I have 2 girls at the Prestige and I sit a 3rd one with me, like the time Porker had lunch with us. Next Wednesday the 2 girls will try to act angry with me but they can't cause they think that if they do a scene I will defently switch to other girls.
A cabron is like Wasted, that pays the bar fine to take out one girl, but the X girl convinces him to take her and another, so Wasted without thinking twice cancels the other girl and takes the 2... not careing what the other girl thinks.
A cabron is like me that I have 3 girls at the Infinito and even then I take others up and when the new one asks me "what will your girlfriends think about this?" you answer bluntly "what the f**k do you care!".
See USB??? you are a nice guy, not a "cabron".

Carlos says in the Monterrey Section: "Me? You are the one that wants a blast form the past... not me. Told you a hundred times you should have burried her long time ago. She is bad news and you don't believe it... she openly, frontaly and unebarrassedly controls you. Need to make it more clear???"

How does Cindy #1 control me now...these days? In what specific ways? I will admit that she ran a game on me initially, four years ago. But, that was four years ago.

I fully understand her potential volatilities, but I also know the performance level of other options in comparison, and I know them all first hand, after having been with her since the year 2003 or sooner. In the moment, she is a pretty good performer. The last time I bar fined her, two months ago, she agreed to go to my hotel for free, stayed 5 hours, and I gave her 1000 pesos anyway. Her performance was among the best of all bar fines over the course of at least five years.

Then, the following day, I went to Pasarelas and sat with an entirely new girl, even with Cindy #1 sitting right by my side, all while I fondled and entertained her potential next night's replacement. The 1000 pesos I had given her the night before kept "me" in control. She eventually left my side to find other prospects.

I fail to see where she has any control over me whatsoever, and she knows it. She is the one in need of my money, and she knows I have many, many, other options. I am in total control over that one.

But, more specifically regarding my "G" girl, how can you postulate that I lost control over anything in that scenario? What??? A year of hi-bred GFE is not significant enough performance to prove my point? How much more control do I need to demonstrate??? What??? Do you mean that 8-12 hour sessions for 1000 pesos, all delivered exactly to my complete and total satisfaction, for as many days of the week I desire her by my side is not significant enough of a testimonial to demonstrate the range of my control over her.

Fact is, I was still, even up until the afternoon of October 5th, in total control of my "G" girl until I stupidly played the Cabrone, bar fined another girl the previous night, and told her about it. It was at that exact moment that I lost control. For an entire year, and up until that very moment, the moment I told her, she was responding to my every whim, and for a fraction of what it costs for P4P in Monterrey.

I sincerely fail to see where I lost control of anything up until eight days ago, except of course to pull such a stupid stunt as to sabotage what I had going with my "G" girl by acting out Cabronish behaviors. That, I will admit, is exactly when I lost control, exactly 8 days ago. For the previous 365 days, my "G" girl was everything I could ever have hoped for in Monterrey, and then some.

So, now I am at this juncture...So, now, what are the wise and potentially successful recommendations that will fix my problems with my "G" girl at this juncture, eight days after losing control. The lack of control is in the here and now with her?

I did not need the advice to proliferate an unbelievable GFE for an entire year...but now, yes...I need to consider as many different kinds of advice as possible.

Frankly, I doubt there is any proper advice to give because this was not a typical client/bar girl relationship. All the mongering experience in the world will not repair this rift. I need the advice of a true Don Juan to know how to recover this scenario. I am all ears...but, unfortunately, I fear that most that are strictly into a mongering mindset will not really understand how to fix this problem. It is a different scenario than we are used to dealing with, and in order to fix it, one must think totally outside the box. For those that believe this is just a simply client/monger relationship, lets hear your advice as to how to handle the situation. I will listen intently, and consider all legitimate offers of advice to recover this situation. Then, upon implementing the advice, I will report back as to the kinds of results I find.

Mill Just

10-15-07, 07:42

PS: USB, you are a good guy, not a bad guy... meaning you are defintly not a "cabron".
A cabron is someone whose girls will stand up and come and say hello even if they are busy with someone and will beg for you to stay and not leave but in turn you'll answer "It's Ok, you are busy, I'll go to the Infinito... plenty of girls over there".
A cabron is like me, that I have 2 girls at the Prestige and I sit a 3rd one with me, like the time Porker had lunch with us. Next Wednesday the 2 girls will try to act angry with me but they can't cause they think that if they do a scene I will defently switch to other girls.
A cabron is like Wasted, that pays the bar fine to take out one girl, but the X girl convinces him to take her and another, so Wasted without thinking twice cancels the other girl and takes the 2... not careing what the other girl thinks.
A cabron is like me that I have 3 girls at the Infinito and even then I take others up and when the new one asks me "what will your girlfriends think about this?" you answer bluntly "what the f**k do you care!".
See USB??? you are a nice guy, not a "cabron".

Just to add: A cabron is someone who wins the respect of nearly every chica in the club and gets the GFE on his own terms instead of being at the mercy of one chica at a time, who just happens to be running a different game.

No, I made a stupid tactical error by playing the Cabrone with a girl that wanted something more from me, something I failed to give sufficient legitimate consideration to, due to the nature of her job, due to my own skepticism about her sincerity, due to my own stupidity at not realizing that the proper tactic of exclusivity needed to continue, due to advice on ISG that she was simply playing me as a client, and due to my believing she would forgive me if I told her what I had done. I wronged her, revealed it to her, which caused a chain reaction that resulted to my own detriment. I will know better next time. But, next time may be very long in coming...that is my regret, along with the fact that I sincerely believe I hurt her feelings, and I did not mean to. I wish I could take it back.

Yes, you did hurt her feelings, Uno. But you hurt her feelings because she suddenly realized that you had a pair and that you weren't folded up in her back pocket. I think this is a lesson that all mongers should pay attention to: DON'T EVER MISTAKE THE STRIP CLUB WORLD FOR THE REAL WORLD.

There is no correlation between both worlds and blurring the line between them in your own mind will ruin things for you because they NEVER turn out good. Just because you are a favored customer of a chica, that doesn't mean that you are anything more than a customer.

As for advice, Uno, I refuse to utter another word on the situation because you never, ever follow any advice given to you. You always go through the same cycle of asking for advice and then rebuking it when it doesn't fit into the world you create for yourself. Then, when you take some advice and follow through in a half-assed manner and it collapses on you; you try to lash out. Don't take this as an attack because I know you're a good guy, but I'm done with taking this road.

The fact of the matter is that you can't put a girl on a pedastal, shower her with attention, make her think that you are her lapdog...and then suddenly try to change course and be a man's man. It looks bizarre and just plain dumb. Your mistake is not setting the ground rules from the beginning.

I think you need to wake up and start seeing reality for what it is. She met you at a strip club, she knows that you come to MTY to get laid, she works in a strip club, she has sex for money with strange men...It would be illogical for her to be so "torn up" emotionally by you telling her that you bar fined another chica. She simply decided to end things when she realized that knowing you wasn't going to sufficiently benefit her in the long run and the whole "other girl" angle allowed her a dignified way out, all the while leaving a door open so that you can "try" to "win" her back with enough material attention. C'mon, Uno, this a fairly common trick among girls when they think they're dealing with "emotionally needy" men. I've seen it played out dozens of times and I'm sure Carlos has seen it hundred of times. These girls are not book smart, but they have PHDs when it comes to how to handle horny, desperate men.

As for me, before I had my anti-strip club epiphany, I would show up at the clubs, sip a beer and as my favorites would come up to me, I'd send them away to bilk the other guys at the club. Later, I would take them out for salidas after hours and get good service at a decent price. I would even get "legit" dates with them and the whole GFE. They gave me that service because they knew that I wasn't a push over and that I knew the game that they were trying to play on me. That's something that you desperately need to understand: It's all a game. Maybe in other venues that game's played differently, but make no mistake that whenever a girl fucks a guy for money, there is game involved.

Member #3453

10-15-07, 12:47

Only one problem with the logic you guys present, and I agree with most of your conclusions concerning P4P and the strategies, etc...Certainly, you guys are totally correct under typical circumstances. But...

Aren't we discussing whether I lost control of "this" situation...except to admit, of course, that I lost control eight days ago.

I just can't see where the circumstances in this case, with she literally spending hours at a time, all for 1/10th the amount of money, for an entire year, can be logically linked to any kind of attempt to "control" the situation on her part...

And if so, for what eventual outcome? The money? What money? She had much better potential otherwise than to spend 10 times the amount of time with me in exchange for a potentially uncertain donation. And what bar girl would invest an entire year in such a scheme with little or no payoff over that huge range of time?

Sorry, but it just doesn't make any sense. If you guys want to assign the typical bar girl motivations to this situation, then you are ignoring many other factors that indicated otherwise. That is my point. I always considered that she could be running a game, watching for the signs, etc...But, frankly, I just can not see a downside for me, not over the entire year.

Her delivery was so far superior to anything I have ever experienced in Monterrey, that I would have been a fool to have settled for less from 95% of the girls I have known in Monterrey. I chose to stay with a sure thing over the course of the entire year. If I could see where her motivations cost me anything, I would accept your conclusions, that I somehow lost control. But, to say that I lost control when I was so perfectly satisfied for an entire year is ludicrous.

MJ is not in a position to know where the detriment to me might have occurred as a result of my losing this "control" because he was not a witness to the scenario over time, and he does not attend these clubs in person with me. He can only rely on my embellished posts, which admittedly, make the scenario seem suspect, and make me appear naive. Certainly, anyone reading my posts would assume I am a mark.

But, frankly, Carlos was right there, and knows better. And, Carlos, if you are going to say that I dropped other girls in favor of her, and that it adversely affected me...I say SHIT YES!!! Those other girls that I dropped to go meet her were the very ones that prefer to give a peck on the cheek rather than deliver the goods, and in exchange for about the same amounts of money I was donating to my "G" girl, and for ten times less the amount of time. No, my strategy demonstrates the total control over a full range of options, and my opting to choose the best alternative for me, financially, and in every other respect...that IS control.

And, remember, she knew me quite well. I visited her club for years prior to starting up with her, taking all kinds of girls out of the bar right in front of her, she asking me one time, "just how many girls have you known in your life, 1000?." It isn't like I was demonstrating a "needy" kind of persona. I am loyal to my best providers, yes. But, I do not demonstrate that they are the "one and only's," not unless the delivery I receive warrants such a commitment, which her's ultimately did.

Her delivery was so far superior to any that I have experienced in Monterrey in five years, at least 200 girls, that I began to believe that there "may" be something more to it, something real. But, even though I thought she might be legitimately emotionally interested, I did not believe it to the extent that I would permit it to cost me money. The "buck," literally, stopped there.
That IS control...

If you were to ask her right now, she would tell you that she had been manipulated for a year by a very mercenary dude. She is very angry for a reason, and it isn't because she was disappointed from a P4P perspective. She would tell you that I am a Cabron, and that I took terrible, insincere advantage of her. In her eyes, I did take advantage of her, for an entire year..and I believe I hurt her emotionally, and that her motivations had nothing to do with typical P4P. I am sorry I hurt her, assuming she is hurt. But, nobody put a gun to her head. She showed up, stayed long time for little money, etc...because she wanted to. You guys know the routine. The typical scenario in Monterrey is for girls to promise the moon and not show up, or cut time short, etc...But, in this instance, her behavior is so "A" typical, that I can not ignore it's distinction. She was playing an entirely different game, one that I believe was not P4P.

She knows my leanings perfectly, that I was most definitely the Cabron in every sense of the word. But, in exchange for her delivery, I agreed to make her exclusive to pay her "special" attention. She got sub-standard financial attention, and my sincere emotional attention, but only because I preferred her to all other options. I agreed to make her exclusive when she proposed it to me. She told me she would only agree if I did not see other girls. I basically kept my word to her pretty well, with some occassional wanderings that she was not aware of, not aware of until I told her I bar fined another girl nine days ago.

But, again, were it not for emotional reasons that she initially proposed it, then where are her motivations? What did she get out of it? If you can identify one thing she got out of it other than 8-12 hours at a time, sometimes todo la noche, all for 500-1000 pesos at a time, usually amounts that were not dictated, but accepted by her as a gift, with no set price being within her expectation level, then I could more easily accept that I lost control of the situation, and that for an entire year I was the subject of her bar girl games.

That is the issue at hand, right? That I never had control, and that "she" took advantage of "me."

I know we're beating a dead horse here, but hell, I have nothing goin' on here in the Wasteland, and words of the ISG spew forth with little or no effort. Thanks for your comments. :D

Clear as water:
Cindy #1 stabbed you in the back... and you are trying to revive the old day you had with her.
No aguring there.... she is hooking you up totally.
She sent you a text message telling you where she is now... she doesn't want to loose extra income coming from you.
I am not blind and I know the dead old girl routine of trying to hook the old customer back.
We have seen it with Wasted's old D girl... she tried to hook him back, when Wasted refused to budge, she just drifted away.

My old G girl returned to the Obsession... on the spot she tried in front of all the other girls to hook me by telling me in front of them "who ever gave you a better blow job than I did"...
That USB, is marking her old ground, me, but she already lost me... I don't go back to girls that betray, lie, give away false pretense, etc...

My J girl at the Matehaula lost me when she told all the others that she was not charging me for sex... that is trying to hook me totally, mark me as hers.
For a couple of times I went to the Matehuala the girls would yell at J "here comes the freebie".... I was the butt joke of the club.
A girl does not do that to me under her terms... no sir.
That is why I decided to stop going to the Matehuala... haven't laid foot there in ages.

USB: that's what they do to you... whatever they want, once they know you are vulnerable.

And we told you once: you've dealt with real good girls, cause there are many out there that will tear you to pieces, suck you dry if they realize you are vulenrable....
Unluckly, you have run into 2 major *****es: Cindy #1 and Angry Girl (al least you have rid yourslef of Cindy #2).

And you are back with both of them!!!!

PS: USB, you are a good guy, not a bad guy... meaning you are defintly not a "cabron".
A cabron is someone whose girls will stand up and come and say hello even if they are busy with someone and will beg for you to stay and not leave but in turn you'll answer "It's Ok, you are busy, I'll go to the Infinito... plenty of girls over there".
A cabron is like me, that I have 2 girls at the Prestige and I sit a 3rd one with me, like the time Porker had lunch with us. Next Wednesday the 2 girls will try to act angry with me but they can't cause they think that if they do a scene I will defently switch to other girls.
A cabron is like Wasted, that pays the bar fine to take out one girl, but the X girl convinces him to take her and another, so Wasted without thinking twice cancels the other girl and takes the 2... not careing what the other girl thinks.
A cabron is like me that I have 3 girls at the Infinito and even then I take others up and when the new one asks me "what will your girlfriends think about this?" you answer bluntly "what the f**k do you care!".
See USB??? you are a nice guy, not a "cabron".

Member #3453

10-15-07, 15:33

blurring the line between them in your own mind will ruin things for you because they NEVER turn out good. Just because you are a favored customer of a chica, that doesn't mean that you are anything more than a customer.

As for advice, Uno, I refuse to utter another word on the situation because you never, ever follow any advice given to you. You always go through the same cycle of asking for advice and then rebuking it when it doesn't fit into the world you create for yourself. Then, when you take some advice and follow through in a half-assed manner and it collapses on you; you try to lash out. Don't take this as an attack because I know you're a good guy, but I'm done with taking this road.

I'm sorry, I don't want you to become too frustrated with me when I reply to comments in a argumentative manner. It's just my natural, argumentative attitude showing through. I apologize. C'mon, I love reading your comments.

I think you hit closest to the truth in the comments you represented in this most recent post, not totally accurate with respect to her actual state of mind over the last year, but perhaps a theory that is certainly a plausible explanation that explains at least part of her mind set at times.

I especially concur with your recent assessment of where we are now, and I quote: "all the while leaving a door open so that you can "try" to "win" her back with enough material attention."

My strategy will be to conduct myself just as I always did before, bar fining girls I choose, hoping against all odds for a decent session, and with a healthy dose of skepticism that I will be satisfied with their delivery.

Literally though, where the money is concerned, if I do have the opportunity to see her again, and if she believes she can deliver a typical Monterrey session, I have no interest in her whatsoever...she will hit a brick wall.

That is always where my state of mind is, and was, and it is where it will always continue to ultimately be. It is the single most indicative reason why I am in total control. When you lose control of the money, you legitimately lose "control." If she believes I will bar fine for the same mediocre sessions that are so commonly found in Monterrey from most girls on salida, she will likely never see me again, literally.

Because right now, I have little motivation to return, other than to visit with my amigos, and take a small vacation once the pressures on the home/work front become too demanding...just for a little R & R. Because when I consider the other alternatives available to me in Monterrey, based on a significant amount of experience there, and many, many girls, I am not very motivated to return soon only to be disappointed in them for the umteenth time.

Member #3453

10-15-07, 15:44

PS: USB, you are a good guy, not a bad guy... meaning you are defintly not a "cabron".

Yeah, I'm a teddy bear...I like being a teddy bear. I don't want to change. But, bottom line, I still control the money. The money is the key. If the girls can't deliver the goods according to "my" preferences, I have numerous other venues where the girls are more in "need" of my dinero. And that, my friends, is the key to getting GFE where money is the only motivator. In Monterrey, the girls want lots of money to deliver the goods that are routinely delivered in other venues in GFE fashion, primarily because the girls have greater need, and they turn "it" on out of desperation...Supply and Demand. And, if you're a teddy bear, you might even get some actual legitimate affection too.

El Cabron 007

10-15-07, 15:46

You guys have not completely figured out Bob yet. If Bob allows me, I will add to MJ and Carlos's analysis:

1- We all agree Bob the sweetheart of Monterrey, no doubt.

2- Bob has his own filter. He reads and hears our advises, arguments, opinion .. etc.. BUTT .. he does not listen. He always thinks there is something else he needs to read into what we say while the truth is that we are telling it to him as is. There are no “between the lines” to be read but he is convinced otherwise What is your background Bob? Physiology was it? Thus the frustration of 'he doesn't get it.'

3- Bob loves the ISG board and loves arguing more than he loves being with his G girl. Losing his girl will not be as painful as not having something to argue about on the board.

4- Finally, none of us will ever reach any agreements with Bob. He will agree with a little butt here and there that the issue will never ever be closed.

5- We love you Bob. Don't abandon us. Come on down and give us some cookies.

Wasted

I'm sorry, I don't want you to become too frustrated with me when I reply to comments in a argumentative manner. It's just my natural, argumentative attitude showing through. I apologize. C'mon, I love reading your comments.

MonterreyDude

10-15-07, 17:57

USB say: "If you were to ask her right now, she would tell you that she had been manipulated for a year by a very mercenary dude."

I don't think the thought went through her mind... specialy since she only saw you for a couple of days every each other month.

USB: "Literally though, where the money is concerned, if I do have the opportunity to see her again, and if she believes she can deliver a typical Monterrey session, I have no interest in her whatsoever...she will hit a brick wall."

I don't think she will care at all if she does or doesn't or you do or don't.
She is going to be very busy at the Infinto to notice you... remember, they don't have time to notice...

I'm sorry, I don't want you to become too frustrated with me when I reply to comments in a argumentative manner. It's just my natural, argumentative attitude showing through. I apologize. C'mon, I love reading your comments.

I think you hit closest to the truth in the comments you represented in this most recent post, not totally accurate with respect to her actual state of mind over the last year, but perhaps a theory that is certainly a plausible explanation that explains at least part of her mind set at times.

I especially concur with your recent assessment of where we are now, and I quote: "all the while leaving a door open so that you can "try" to "win" her back with enough material attention."

My strategy will be to conduct myself just as I always did before, bar fining girls I choose, hoping against all odds for a decent session, and with a healthy dose of skepticism that I will be satisfied with their delivery.

Literally though, where the money is concerned, if I do have the opportunity to see her again, and if she believes she can deliver a typical Monterrey session, I have no interest in her whatsoever...she will hit a brick wall.

That is always where my state of mind is, and was, and it is where it will always continue to ultimately be. It is the single most indicative reason why I am in total control. When you lose control of the money, you legitimately lose "control." If she believes I will bar fine for the same mediocre sessions that are so commonly found in Monterrey from most girls on salida, she will likely never see me again, literally.

Because right now, I have little motivation to return, other than to visit with my amigos, and take a small vacation once the pressures on the home/work front become too demanding...just for a little R & R. Because when I consider the other alternatives available to me in Monterrey, based on a significant amount of experience there, and many, many girls, I am not very motivated to return soon only to be disappointed in them for the umteenth time.

Member #3453

10-15-07, 20:22

Member #3453

10-15-07, 20:44

Welcome back WastedG...So nice to hear from you again. :D

#2: Quite correct...I've been accused my entire adult life of being very, very analytical. Being analytical means disecting every nuance and detail, and forming conclusions based on that data. I do actually get it right most of the time, from business decisions to P4P, but with "G" her behavior was so far off the charts, so a-typical for girls in MTY, that she had me believing her.

#3: It is painful...I miss her. And, the "arguing," or more accurately, the "analysis," helps to reconcile the scenario, and to put everything into proper perspective.

#5: Thank you so much for the kind words...I have some cookies prepared for you all, but they are soggy from the deluge of tears falling upon them like the steady pitter patter of summer showers, pitter-patter, pitter-patter. I am sorry but this particular batch is totally ruined. Now, I must somehow compose myself sufficiently to bake another batch. I will have all of you in mind. Extra Chocolate Chips for Carlos and Porker, a little extra Gringa sugar for WastedG, Grady, and Mr. L, and the very best quality Morena Azucar for MJ, from the Caribean...no, from the PI...yeah, from Angeles City, that's the ticket, for MJ...to remind him of his little brown bunnies he is missing out on in the PI. :D

Actually, with respect to returning to MTY, I have no desire to return these days...truly not, not without my "G" girl scenario to come back to. After coming off the high of my "G" girl, I can assure you that anything I would find in Monterrey would otherwise pale in comparison...and, that is no joke. I don't want to subject myself to certain disappointment, so here I sit.

I am attempting to ween myself off of any compulsion I might have to return to Monterrey. Each day is an improvement. It has been nine days since the breakup, and each day finds me a little better. I will miss my amigos, Carlos, Porker, MJ, Mr. L, RTW, all my disengenous girlfriends who couldn't really care less about me...I will miss you all.

Perhaps I am just too soft hearted to participate in the P4P scene. I have no other options like romancing a real girlfriend. I wouldn't want to do that to an unsuspecting "nice" girl. I have my life here, and I must fulfill my responsibilities on the home front, a life of responsibility, work, responsbility, work, responsibility, work, and very little repreive from the grind that we Gringos have to endure in "our" world. It occurs to me often just how little satisfaction we males get out of life. The hot asses are dangled in front of us 18 hours a day, and we get about .000005% of it to soothe our fevered souls.

I must forget the GFE that my "G" girl delivered. But, it is very hard to forget her. She was truly one of the sweetest things that ever happened to me in my entire life, and that certainly goes for anything I have experienced within the P4P arena. That, I mean sincerely. Say what you will, think what you must, but after having experienced well over a thousand girls, I speak with some degree of experience with respect to GFE quality.

The heartache is just too much to contend with each time I return from MTY. So, I am retired...never to return.

My hands are too wet from the tears to type now...they are shorting out the keyboard, and I will be falsly accused of committing suicide through electrocution. I must go...Please remember me, and tell my "G" girl I am sorry, deeply sorry, and that I love her dearly...but, she knows that, and still, for one lousy FUCKIN' mistake in tactical judgement, she cast me aside like a used condom in the filthiest of the privados. boo hoo hoo hoo.

All kidding aside, I am really triste over the demise of this GFE, and probably need a break from the scene for awhile. It is quite difficult to endure the loss of your best GFE ever, the best in over 1000 girls....Consider it...Consider the significance of what I am saying. The loss is overwhelming. But, eventually, I will recover...and, when I do, perhaps you will see me start to creep back into plain view again. But for now, I am on quadrupal secret probation.

Take care all, and have fun!!!

You guys have not completely figured out Bob yet. If Bob allows me, I will add to MJ and Carlos's analysis:

1- We all agree Bob the sweetheart of Monterrey, no doubt.

2- Bob has his own filter. He reads and hears our advises, arguments, opinion .. etc.. BUTT .. he does not listen. He always thinks there is something else he needs to read into what we say while the truth is that we are telling it to him as is. There are no “between the lines” to be read but he is convinced otherwise What is your background Bob? Physiology was it? Thus the frustration of 'he doesn't get it.'

3- Bob loves the ISG board and loves arguing more than he loves being with his G girl. Losing his girl will not be as painful as not having something to argue about on the board.

4- Finally, none of us will ever reach any agreements with Bob. He will agree with a little butt here and there that the issue will never ever be closed.

5- We love you Bob. Don't abandon us. Come on down and give us some cookies.

Wasted

El Cabron 007

10-16-07, 03:13

Someday, I too will write my farewell post. I hope.

However, for now, Bob, I will challenge you. Tell me how long you intend to stay away from Monterrey and I will hold you to it. If you return a day earlier, you will owe me the cost of 2 salidas with my 2 S's girls. The ****y S and the Crunchy S. This is on top of a jar of cookies. Did you know I ate the crumbs you left behind at el prestige last time I was there .. when you left us without saying goodbye? I had to fight the manager for them'

Do we have a deal?

Wasted

Welcome back WastedG...So nice to hear from you again. :D

The heartache is just too much to contend with each time I return from MTY. So, I am retired...never to return.

Member #3453

10-16-07, 04:43

i could change my mind in an instant. so, i will not take you up on your challenge. but, thank you for your encouragement. your valiant attempts at reverse psychology are appreciated...very sweet indeed. thank you wastedg.

i'm really not too optomistic that i will find a gfe scenario that will equal what i have routinely been experiencing over the last year from my "g" girl. and, after hearing the comments made here, i am being slowly convinced that the entire scenario was a waste of my time, just a charade, not anything that i care to relive, even if i were able to find one of similiar competance. so, i am reluctant to even make the effort. if the entire scenario with "g" is simply a lie, then why would i want to subject myself to it all over again. as i have said many times, i believe that i seek something a little different than most mongers, and what i received for the last year was a healthy dose of that prescription.

i know what i have to look forward to if i return. the girls in monterrey, for the most part, don't need my business, not with guys throwing money at them for pecks on the cheek, for absolutely nothing in return, such as what routinely goes on in so many of the clubs, especially places like prestige and obsession, and even in the lower end clubs like el infinito these days.

the girls just don't feel any kind of urgency with respect to satisfying their clients because they know there will always be another one around the corner...no sweat.

were i to return to mty, all i seemingly have to look forward to is girls that want to jerk me around...girls that require a lot of prior work, work that, frankly, i am too pooped to mess with. perfect case in point is the "n" girl at prestige. i sincerely spend on her, and get nothing in return, just an "irked" reaction to my attempts to see her outside the club...so why try? why should i return? whom in their right mind would continue to spend on drinks, to the tune of 5-6 drinks or more per visit, and get nothing in return. yet, that is what i routinely find from girls like "n" at prestige, "j" at prestige, "n" at obsession, and the list is endless.

i have some hope in girls that i know from the past, "s" from womans, "x" from harem, "v" from harem, "t" from givenchy, but many of the rest of them are vestal virgin types, or consumate manipulators where you are left with blue balls and a drained bank account. i have been through the normal routine for over five years in mty, and imho, it is only getting worse. there are many more vestal virgins, and disappointers, than five years ago.

i am truly disappointed in the prospects that await me were i to return. as i said, i could change my mind, and probably will. so, don't give up on me completely. but, for now, i anticipate that were i to return, i would likely be disappointed at the outcome of my experience there now, especially after having experienced such a great gfe with my "g" girl. i really don't want to even return to see her working in her bar. it's just too damned depressing.

the conditions in mty create a really poor market environment for the buyer. if i were to have the opportunity, i would prefer to visit a venue where the supply and demand ratio is not so far out of balance. unfortunately, professionally, my time is limited, and world travel is out of the question. the only opportunity may be an occassional run to monterrey. but, when i think about what awaits me with respect to gfe, my preferred activity, i realize the futility of it. the supply and demand curve in mty makes the girls too independent, and it's simply too huge an amount of work and expense for me to be ultimately satisfied in the final analysis. so, each day, as i think about returning, booking a flight, etc...i ultimately ask myself "why?" because, literally, in order to get a decent flight, you have to book something 6-8 weeks out. so, with that in mind, if i keep putting it off, it could likely be well into the new year before i ever return, if at all.

i used to think otherwise of mty, but i think it's changing, becoming even less of a viable mongering destination. but, let me qualify that by also pointing out that my expectations are not typical. most of you would be satisfied with your results.

when i was with my "g" girl, things were worthwhile. i anticipated making the trip for the hi-bred gfe i would most assuredly be getting from her. but, if it was all just an act, just a manipulaton, then what is the use? why put myself through it again?

sure, you can bar fine a girl for sex here or there, but i got so much more in those sessions with my "g" girl, and i require so much more than just the sex in order to be satisfied with making the trip, spending the travel dollars, etc... certainly, you can find sex in mty, and you will be satisfied. but, me, i won't be, not with just the sex. the hi-bred gfe, the way i have been experiencing it, is so far superior to what i know is available routinely in mty, that to settle for less will only serve to depress me.

you see, i got so much more than sex from my "g" girl...i don't really expect anybody to truly understand, or even to try to understand...not on a mongering site. but, sex was the finale, and not the thing that motivated me to return to mty.

i recall that it was a much easier market to work only five short years ago. the girls simply don't need our business these days, so their efforts at gfe, and their attitudes overall, are almost universally sub-standard in comparison to other venues around the world at this juncture. in other markets, the girls are much more gfe, much easier to love, and they recipricate, period.

i'll take some time off...and, honestly, i don't want to visit el infinito. i don't want to make my "g" girl feel uncomfortable, nor do i want to rekindle my own feelings for her once they have subsided. el infinito is one of the best hunting grounds, so to avoid it...well, why put myself through it. seeing her again just makes it harder to endure the loss of the gfe scenario i became so used to, and especially when i realize how difficult she is going to be to replace from the pool of available substitutes in mty.

but, one thing is certain, i will miss my amigos very much. if i were to return it would be on their account, and not because i have a particular girl or girls in mind, none what-so-ever really. none of them impresses me, not a one....well, there is one, but she is history.

honestly, in comparison to my satisfaction level over the last year, i think i would just be moping around, wishing whomever i bar fined were my "g" girl. why put myself through it? i'll just stay home, take the affection on the home front, which is first rate in every way, and be satisfied for a while until i get over the loss of such a great gfe girl. because, honestly, gfe to the extent that i am used to experiencing it, is not readily available in monterrey. i simply blew it, and to find another one that will perform to my standards is going to virtually be an impossibility.

sorry to sound so negative everybody...i don't mean to come across that way. i warned you that i was very analytical. my analysis has me reaching these conclusions about what awaits me in mty at this juncture, and it simply doesn't motivate me to book the tickets, quite the opposite.

i am sorry to be so long winded again!!! :d but, these are truly my thoughts about returning. frankly, i am a little concerned that my arguments are almost too convincingly logical and valid. i really wish i had the motivation to return. but, for now, this analysis has me less than optomistic, and at least you will know my state of mind. but, who knows, it could change.

someday, i too will write my farewell post. i hope.

however, for now, bob, i will challenge you. tell me how long you intend to stay away from monterrey and i will hold you to it. if you return a day earlier, you will owe me the cost of 2 salidas with my 2 s's girls. the ****y s and the crunchy s. this is on top of a jar of cookies. did you know i ate the crumbs you left behind at el prestige last time i was there .. when you left us without saying goodbye? i had to fight the manager for them'

do we have a deal?

wasted

MonterreyDude

10-16-07, 07:54

ok...
give us your interpretation of wasted's, round the world's and my version of "gfe"... cause we are getting plenty of it.

why is it you are not getting any?

iam married and local, so i limit my movements, but i have plenty of fun with 3 of my girls, total gfe up to the point that one "loves me" (that would be my harem girl and i still pay for her time).
but rtw's girl just loves to be with him (risking a fine at the workplace) and how about wasted's p girl??? she would kill others just to be with him.

so... rethoric: why are you not getting any and many of us are???

i could change my mind in an instant. so, i will not take you up on your challenge. but, thank you for your encouragement. your valiant attempts at reverse psychology are appreciated...very sweet indeed. thank you wastedg.

i'm really not too optomistic that i will find a gfe scenario that will equal what i have routinely been experiencing over the last year from my "g" girl. and, after hearing the comments made here, i am being slowly convinced that the entire scenario was a waste of my time, just a charade, not anything that i care to relive, even if i were able to find one of similiar competance. so, i am reluctant to even make the effort. if the entire scenario with "g" is simply a lie, then why would i want to subject myself to it all over again. as i have said many times, i believe that i seek something a little different than most mongers, and what i received for the last year was a healthy dose of that prescription.

i know what i have to look forward to if i return. the girls in monterrey, for the most part, don't need my business, not with guys throwing money at them for pecks on the cheek, for absolutely nothing in return, such as what routinely goes on in so many of the clubs, especially places like prestige and obsession, and even in the lower end clubs like el infinito these days.

the girls just don't feel any kind of urgency with respect to satisfying their clients because they know there will always be another one around the corner...no sweat.

were i to return to mty, all i seemingly have to look forward to is girls that want to jerk me around...girls that require a lot of prior work, work that, frankly, i am too pooped to mess with. perfect case in point is the "n" girl at prestige. i sincerely spend on her, and get nothing in return, just an "irked" reaction to my attempts to see her outside the club...so why try? why should i return? whom in their right mind would continue to spend on drinks, to the tune of 5-6 drinks or more per visit, and get nothing in return. yet, that is what i routinely find from girls like "n" at prestige, "j" at prestige, "n" at obsession, and the list is endless.

i have some hope in girls that i know from the past, "s" from womans, "x" from harem, "v" from harem, "t" from givenchy, but many of the rest of them are vestal virgin types, or consumate manipulators where you are left with blue balls and a drained bank account. i have been through the normal routine for over five years in mty, and imho, it is only getting worse. there are many more vestal virgins, and disappointers, than five years ago.

i am truly disappointed in the prospects that await me were i to return. as i said, i could change my mind, and probably will. so, don't give up on me completely. but, for now, i anticipate that were i to return, i would likely be disappointed at the outcome of my experience there now, especially after having experienced such a great gfe with my "g" girl. i really don't want to even return to see her working in her bar. it's just too damned depressing.

the conditions in mty create a really poor market environment for the buyer. if i were to have the opportunity, i would prefer to visit a venue where the supply and demand ratio is not so far out of balance. unfortunately, professionally, my time is limited, and world travel is out of the question. the only opportunity may be an occassional run to monterrey. but, when i think about what awaits me with respect to gfe, my preferred activity, i realize the futility of it. the supply and demand curve in mty makes the girls too independent, and it's simply too huge an amount of work and expense for me to be ultimately satisfied in the final analysis. so, each day, as i think about returning, booking a flight, etc...i ultimately ask myself "why?" because, literally, in order to get a decent flight, you have to book something 6-8 weeks out. so, with that in mind, if i keep putting it off, it could likely be well into the new year before i ever return, if at all.

i used to think otherwise of mty, but i think it's changing, becoming even less of a viable mongering destination. but, let me qualify that by also pointing out that my expectations are not typical. most of you would be satisfied with your results.

when i was with my "g" girl, things were worthwhile. i anticipated making the trip for the hi-bred gfe i would most assuredly be getting from her. but, if it was all just an act, just a manipulaton, then what is the use? why put myself through it again?

sure, you can bar fine a girl for sex here or there, but i got so much more in those sessions with my "g" girl, and i require so much more than just the sex in order to be satisfied with making the trip, spending the travel dollars, etc... certainly, you can find sex in mty, and you will be satisfied. but, me, i won't be, not with just the sex. the hi-bred gfe, the way i have been experiencing it, is so far superior to what i know is available routinely in mty, that to settle for less will only serve to depress me.

you see, i got so much more than sex from my "g" girl...i don't really expect anybody to truly understand, or even to try to understand...not on a mongering site. but, sex was the finale, and not the thing that motivated me to return to mty.

i recall that it was a much easier market to work only five short years ago. the girls simply don't need our business these days, so their efforts at gfe, and their attitudes overall, are almost universally sub-standard in comparison to other venues around the world at this juncture. in other markets, the girls are much more gfe, much easier to love, and they recipricate, period.

i'll take some time off...and, honestly, i don't want to visit el infinito. i don't want to make my "g" girl feel uncomfortable, nor do i want to rekindle my own feelings for her once they have subsided. el infinito is one of the best hunting grounds, so to avoid it...well, why put myself through it. seeing her again just makes it harder to endure the loss of the gfe scenario i became so used to, and especially when i realize how difficult she is going to be to replace from the pool of available substitutes in mty.

but, one thing is certain, i will miss my amigos very much. if i were to return it would be on their account, and not because i have a particular girl or girls in mind, none what-so-ever really. none of them impresses me, not a one....well, there is one, but she is history.

honestly, in comparison to my satisfaction level over the last year, i think i would just be moping around, wishing whomever i bar fined were my "g" girl. why put myself through it? i'll just stay home, take the affection on the home front, which is first rate in every way, and be satisfied for a while until i get over the loss of such a great gfe girl. because, honestly, gfe to the extent that i am used to experiencing it, is not readily available in monterrey. i simply blew it, and to find another one that will perform to my standards is going to virtually be an impossibility.

sorry to sound so negative everybody...i don't mean to come across that way. i warned you that i was very analytical. my analysis has me reaching these conclusions about what awaits me in mty at this juncture, and it simply doesn't motivate me to book the tickets, quite the opposite.

i am sorry to be so long winded again!!! :d but, these are truly my thoughts about returning. frankly, i am a little concerned that my arguments are almost too convincingly logical and valid. i really wish i had the motivation to return. but, for now, this analysis has me less than optomistic, and at least you will know my state of mind. but, who knows, it could change.

Member #3453

10-16-07, 12:07

Well...

Let me start by saying that there is "GFE" available in Monterrey. I am probably being too hard on Monterrey, and not hard enough on myself for sabotaging a good thing.

I have to qualify the quality of experience of the standard GFE available in Monterrey in comparison to my "G" girl's hi-bred GFE attentions. I suffer the slings and arrows of cat calls from lurkers like Mastermind when I bring it up, because they believe me to be dilusional, or a liar, or both. But here goes anyway...what the hell...

When I compare the level of "lust" and "affection" exhibited by my "G" girl, lust and sincerely demonstrated affection, exhibited consistently for a year, to that of most girls in Monterrey, all others pale in comparison. And, this compares also with respect to desire for affection from me compared to all others. And, the distinction is, or was, always quite noticeable in comparison to all the rest, at least for the last year.

This kind of display is "hi-bred GFE," and quite rare, not only in MTY, but the rest of the world. Although, it is much "closer" in similarity in other venues such as Asia because for some reason, in places like Asia, venues where poverty is common place, I believe the girls develop a reverse mesiah complex where they imprint on their benefactors, which results in really intensive GFEs.

This is part of the supply and demand issue that I referred to earlier, where girls are simply thrilled to have a benefactor at all, thrilled that they will not starve for a week or two at a time, and I truly mean starve. So, their attentions are magnified, mainly because you are meeting their most basic needs. You are their savior, especially if you stick with them for long periods of time. It is much more so than you would ever experience with respect to meeting the greedy needs of a MTY bar girl, girls that are really quite affluent in comparison.

I believe that psychologically, in Monterrey with respect to emotional need, and in Asia with respect to actual physical need that eventually converts to emotional need, the hi-bred GFE is kind of like "Stockholm Syndrome," only different, where a girl attaches her emotional attentions to one "she" envisions as different, or one that meets her emotional needs, or one who meets her physical needs, which only serves to develop and emotional bond as well.

I believe I met the emotional needs of my "G" girl, and that were it not for that single one factor being in the mix, she would have performed much the same as all the rest of the girls I have experienced in Monterrey that were acceptable GFE. Fact is, if you will remember, when I bar fined her the first time in 2005, my opionions of her were that she was fine, but nothing really exceptional in performance. I actually avoided seeing her after the first bar fine because her reactions to me were just normal GFE, and I had other fish to fry.

That all changed as we got to know each other, and as things progressed beyond the P4P circumstances. I also believe that when she changed, obtaining the fake boobs, colored contact lenses, etc...she developed a declining need for the emotional affection she craved before. The changes she made, directly affected the intensity of the GFE. I could sense a difference in her personality, but it was only slight with respect to her attitude and attentions toward me, probably because we were already emotionally invested. But, make no mistake, the changes she made, changed her. If you will recall, when I first found out about the fake boobs, I articulated my concern from the very beginning, and ultimately, my concerns were validated.

Don't misunderstand, "GFE" IS AVAILABLE to me in MTY. I have other girls that would have been, and still are, perfectly fine girls, but not in comparison. Now, some may wish to call me naive, stupid, inexperienced, a liar, sappy, etc....but you, Carlos, know the shear numbers of girls I've bar fined in Monterrey over the years. So, my sampling of what is available, and range of experience resulting from that activity is quite extensive. So, when I say that the experience with my "G" girl was exceptional in comparison to all others, I mean it in spades.

Now, some can assume I am simply the mark of a skilled and manipulative bar girl. But, take it from me, the chemistry was genuine, and I believe there was something there that exceeds what is routinely experienced as mere GFE by most. I do not believe it was an act on her part. But, of course, everyone will say I am full of shit, and naive, and dilusional, etc...But, consider this, if it was an act, that does not change the distinction between my experience with her, versus all the others. The resulting hi-bred GFE with her, at least for an entire year, was unsurpassed, and by a very wide margin.

So, when I complain that I anticipate that other experiences will pale in comparison, I am accurately stating what I anticipate were I to return to Monterrey to experience substittutes. I have had enough experiences in MTY to know the distinction about the "hi-bred" GFE I just came off of, versus what I would undoubtedly experience even from the best of my GFE girls that are remaining.

And, frankly, their performances pale in comparison, bar none. That doesn't mean I could not enjoy the remaining team of candidates...certainly I could. But, it does mean that my comparison of their "performances" would probably leave me relatively dis-satisfied in comparison, and possibly sad. I prefer to avoid those feelings if possible, or a long shot, replace her with something of equal result. However, I realize the futility of that exercise. It takes a huge amount of work to convert a MTY bar girl to that kind of affection level.

At this juncture, what was serving to stimulate the hi-bred GFE with my "G" girl has been sabotaged as a result of my having bar fined the other girl, and also, the result of a changed persona in my "G" girl from her physical changes can not be overlooked as well. But, for my part, I have totally burst her bubble. The "bubble" is what fueled the Hi-Bred GFE. But, in addition, her "needs" have changed. As a result of her new found confidence, I believe the intrinsic need that drove the Hi-Bred GFE, and her affections for me, shrunk incrementally over time.

So, at this juncture, I doubt seriously if she would be salvagable, or that she would even consider demonstrating her same range of affections for me as before. There has been a metamorphisis started, one that I stupidly instigated by bar fining another girl, but one also that she perpetuated with her physical changes, changes that resulted in an eventual psychological metamorphosis in her. I believe the psychological changes in her as a result of her making physical changes would have brought an eventual end to the hi-bred GFE anyway, but I would have preferred it to be later rather than sooner.

She is so very angry with me, and I believe she is so significanly disappointed based on all of what we said to each other over the course of an entire year, and that as a result all is potentially lost. But, more importantly, she no longer needs whatever emotional support I was able to demonstrate to her. It is due to all the resulting psychological effects of what I refer to in my former posts, that she has lost the feeling that was most assuredly there for a year, the feeling in her that manifest itself in hi-bred GFE for me.

She still demonstated to me a feeling of loss over what we both experienced, but I detected an aire of arrogance in her the last few months, one that was not there before, one that is indicative of so many bar girls. The changes are inevitable when the girls do what they do for a living, and I believe when she made her physical changes, which psychologically changed her intrinsic need, it is what eventually sabataged the hi-bred GFE for me.

I was, frankly, anticipating it to occur as a result of the changes she made, but I would have preferred to have extended the GFE for a little longer for my own selfish reasons. Of course, I made the tactical error that permitted her to cut it off, and she now possesses the self confidence and arrogance to cut it off as a result of the psychological changes, changes that occurred as a result of her gaining a new confidence in her body and her overall appearance.

Only a few hours prior to my telling her all about my bar fining the other girl, her attitude toward me, her hi-bred GFE performance, was unchanged compared to the rest of the entire year. I could still detect in her an incremental change in her demeanor since the boob job, and had noticed it since the boob job, but it did not affect her affection level toward me. But, women are strange creatures psychologically. When my trangressions were disclosed, it hurt her deeply, or more accurately, if offended her deeply, and there is a difference between being hurt versus being offended. She lost the affection for me that was based somewhere initially in her psyche a year ago, the affection that drove the hi-bred GFE. It just wasn't the same any more.

She was not running a game on me over the past year. She is simply reacting from the disappointment of my seeing another girl in place of her...of betraying her emotional commitment. It has nothing to do with her functioning as the ho in her job, or viewing me as a client. I was not her client. They are able to seperate that out from their inner emotions.

Of course, sure...this could all be dilusional on my part. But, I've been through it before. It's real. And, maybe with time, she will come around with respect to forgiving me. But, for now, she is totally angry with me. But, more than angry, she has lost whatever drove the hi-bred. That's it...

Bottom line, whether you believe me to be dilusional with respect to the explanations of "why" or not, the reality of what was lost as a result of my behavior in bar fining another girl, and the intrinsic psychological changes resulting from her physical changes, is what adversely affected the hi-bred GFE. The conjecture as to "why" is simply an interesting intellectual discussion and philosophical theory about women in general, one that interests me.

But, for me, to attempt to substitute what I found in her over the past year with the standard GFE that could possibly be realized in other girls I know in Monterrey, would simply be a disappointment for me right now. So, I am out of the game for now.

Ok...
Give us your interpretation of Wasted's, Round the World's and my version of "GFE"... cause we are getting plenty of it.

Why is it you are not getting any?

Iam married and local, so I limit my movements, but I have plenty of fun with 3 of my girls, total GFE up to the point that one "loves me" (that would be my Harem girl and I still pay for her time).
But RTW's girl just loves to be with him (risking a fine at the workplace) and how about Wasted's P girl??? she would kill others just to be with him.

So... rethoric: why are you not getting any and many of us are???

El Cabron 007

10-16-07, 14:40

Bob, you clearly have not looked at Monterrey the same way every other monger does. You are the only one who does not see, or let's see sees Monterrey as anything beyond a large strip club with young and oh so cute girls ready and welling to fulfill our lustful fantasies.

You cannot go around a strip club looking for a girlfriend. Yes you can be a favorite to a girl or 2. But having one specific girl be yours and only yours providing exceptional service, and I must emphasis the word 'service' is the exception and not the norm. Unless, of course, you imagine her exceptional service to be unique only to you. Which my good friend, I will insist that it is only 'service' that you appreciate. You may think you are special, and you are, but that is only because the girl wishes to make you feel that way. However, the girl will also turn on you when she chooses. And trust me, I've done things that gave my girls plenty of excuses to leave but they chose to stay and that is only because they wanted to, not me.

You lost because you confessed to bar fining a girl from the same club. I bar fined girls while sweet "P" was in my arms. I bar fined another and sent her upstairs to tell my girl not to bother getting dressed. Carlos warned me that some day these girls would wait for me around the corner. Not just leave me, but do stuff to me. Now that's what you call a Cabron. You are nowhere near being a cabron. You are too kind. Your G girl quit on you because she wanted to. Her reasoning is nothing more than just an excuse. Can you face that?

Next time you go down and you want to bar fine her, offer her a regular salida fee and then some. See how she will jump on the opportunity to make more money. She will see it as income. You, on the other hand, will see it as "Hey, she still loves me."

Again, in a strip club, you are just another client. If you get extras, lucky you. But if you go in looking for one stripper to befriend you as her lover, you will be disappointed.

However, you have no idea what it takes to be a stripper's lover, to house a girl in your own den and lay down the ground rules and to have full control over her life. What you had was mealy a stripper who, by her own choice, favored you. And we all have that. But to go on living like she's 'yours' is not reality. A stripper owner will beat the living daylight out of her. She will be scared shitless to make a move without his approval. She will look both ways before she crosses the street, not for cars, but for him.

Wasted.

Bottom line, whether you believe me to be dilusional with respect to the explanations of "why" or not, the reality of what was lost as a result of my behavior in bar fining another girl, and the intrinsic psychological changes resulting from her physical changes, is what adversely affected the hi-bred GFE. The conjecture as to "why" is simply an interesting intellectual discussion and philosophical theory about women in general, one that interests me.

But, for me, to attempt to substitute what I found in her over the past year with the standard GFE that could possibly be realized in other girls I know in Monterrey, would simply be a disappointment for me right now. So, I am out of the game for now.

Member #3453

10-16-07, 14:55

Never said she was "mine" per se. That would, of course, be ridiculous with a girl that delivers sex in a strip club. But, I do say she was mine emotionally, of course, with the understanding that she is a ho, and certainly the likelihood of her being honest with me with respect to her verbalized "commitments" most of the time was certainly suspect. But, in the moment, and even when I was not in Monterrey, she delivered the GFE. That's the important thing, because literally, I would not act with any legitimacy on her attentions.

None the less, I do believe that my "relationship" with her was emotionally enriching to her, and that it was the basis for my hi-bred GFEs. It was the catalyst that yielded what I want. If I can't have what I want, I don't wish to return to Monterrey.

I said in my prior post that she delivered a great hi-bred GFE because she felt something. We are all able to do it well if we feel something. I am a consumate actor, in the best traditions of the great one, Sir Laurence Olivier, as is she. But, at some point we assumed a legitimacy to our roles, and things progressed to a point of legitimate emotional feeling, regardless of the underlying motivations, be they ego or whatever. Remember, we are all, even as males, more passionate, more affectionate, more giving, more sexual, everything...with a girl that we have some chemistry with, and because we are males, it is usually ones that are pretty, and not generally with the ones that are fat wart hogs...

Well, except where Carlos is concerned, and those tall, older, fat bottomed girls :D. Except, Carlos seems to be turning over a new leaf lately...Good Show Old Boy...Bully for You!!! :D

But, the "emotional" component is of profound importance to woman, even to hos, regardless of the true, probably subconscious, underlying reasons for her continually consistent attentions over the course of an entire year.

"G" demonstrated a passion level I appreciated, recipricated, and one that I have never experienced in Monterrey in the past, not with over 200 girls in MTY. My act was just as convincing as hers, and act perpetrated to yield Hi-Bred GFE. And, frankly, at some point, if the stars are aligned, if you're lucky, you both slip totally into character. That is pure chemistry, and it is what I had with her, and that is what I am looking to experience on a regular basis in exchange for spending the money on travel to MTY. It isn't a matter of what really was, it is a matter of perceptions, and whether I perceive I am getting my preferred experience.

Considering the high price of girls in Monterrey, versus other venues, it is mandatory that I experience that degree of satisfaction were I to routinely desire a return to Monterrey. My experience tells me that my preferences are not to be generally found in MTY without a lot of effort and expense, when at the same time, I know my preferences can more easily be found elsewhere.

Our motivations are, admittedly, a little different than the average female, ie: looks versus emotion and exclusivity. Girls have a very different psychological and emotional makeup, one that I also believe has a direct affect on their ego. I gave her an emotional commitment in exchange for her hi-bred GFE, and her exclusivity on salida. That's what she said she told me she wanted in so many ways, through performance, body language, verbally, and in every other way, in exchange for the GFE she delivered.

Not even money was a subject of our discussions, nor was it the overiding dependent factor. If I hear one more time that money was the motivator, money paid at a rate of 1000 pesos for 8-12 hours, I am going to scream, and have a coronary thrombosis.

Perhaps it was all centered around an ego boost for her....who knows. I am beginning to believe that...she just wanted the ego boost of a dedicated client, someone on the hook for her own ego gratification. She delivered the "long-time," and at a riduculously low price, to ensure the continued ego boost. That is a very plausible theory, and one I would buy into.

I have no idea if she honored her commitments to me on salida, and certainly during her off time, probably not. I honored mine pretty well, which were to provide her my relative exclusivity, and sincerely acted emotional affection, primarily to perpetuate the GFE that I was realizing as a result. My behavior was pretty reliable, with only an occassional straying, and that was because I agreed with the strategy that one needs other options. Because, I always knew this situation would eventually develop.

Realize too that just because I enjoyed the GFE she delivered, and appreciated her emotionally, does not mean I am not in love with my wife, just as an example. The passion with my "G" girl is not diminished by my affairs with other girls, my wife included. So, that having been said, she could have maintained the status quo and just as easily still delivered a legitimately felt GFE, but she chose instead to react like a scorned girlfriend.

I fail to see any logic in her behavior were her reactions to my indiscretions anything but emotionally based. IMHO, her ego was wounded, and she chose to punnish me, much in the same manner as Angry Girl, but in doing so, she has also simultaneously sabotaged what we both enjoyed in the moment, assuming of course that her GFE was not totally and completely disengeously delivered purely for economic sake...but 8-12 hours for 1000 pesos???

But, none the less, if she was feeling the pressure, she could have called the entire thing off several times. I gave her the option most recently two months ago, telling her that if she preferred me as a client, I will act solely as her client. That I did not want her to feel that she was being constrained, or dominated, or held back in any way. She refused that offer, and instead escelated her attentions to prove to me, after I gave her the option to get out, that she wanted something more than just a client relationship, indicating she wanted my "exclusivity" and my sincerity of affection.

I gave her my "relative" exclusivity, and my sincerity of affection, until last week. And, by my straying only once, in much the same manner as you regularly do, but not in front of her, and only after I confessed it to her in an effort to demonstrate what she claimed she loved about me, to do the "nice guy" thing, the rift developed.

No, there is definitely something else going on, and there always has been. Call it ego, call it disengenuousness, call it financial, call it what you will, but there is still something else that is additionally factored into the scenario, something with a deep seated emotional origin.

So, now, she wants out of the GFE arrangement. She is out, and so am I. No GFE, no USB, :D or more accurately, no money from USB for disengenuous mechanically delivered sessions. Without the GFE she is just another piece of meat on display. I do not want or desire that. It is easily available in all the clubs. She initially understood and desired the same thing that I wanted, but she no longer has the capacity to deliver it. The changes in her, IMHO, make her ineligible to duplicate what she originally brought to the table a year ago.

No, if they want me to return, they have to offer much, much more. They have to offer more than a peck on the cheek for the price of a series of drinks, and/or to cop a feel in the privados, and/or to show up on salida and act the starfish, and/or to promise the moon and not showup, and/or to cut me short on time...the list goes on, and ISG would be void of bandwidth were I to continue to detail what is so characteristic of the Mexico venue.

Call me demanding...ok, I am demanding. But, what they do not realize, nor care about, is that what I seek is most definitely available elsewhere. I have first hand experience getting it elsewhere, and nobody, especially those that have no direct experience in other venues, can convince me that somehow the Mexico scene is the nirvana of mongerdom, and that I am somehow dilusional about prospective other venues. And, if I choose to make that effort to visit more productive venues in lieu of Monterrey, my trips to Monterrey will be few and far between, except of course to visit with my amigos on occassion. But, for now, I am retired...trying to forget about the best girl in the whole world so far...she no longer lives.

Bob, you clearly have not looked at Monterrey the same way every other monger does. You are the only one who does not see, or let's see sees Monterrey as anything beyond a large strip club with young and oh so cute girls ready and welling to fulfill our lustful fantasies.

You cannot go around a strip club looking for a girlfriend. Yes you can be a favorite to a girl or 2. But having one specific girl be yours and only yours providing exceptional service, and I must emphasis the word 'service' is the exception and not the norm. Unless, of course, you imagine her exceptional service to be unique only to you. Which my good friend, I will insist that it is only 'service' that you appreciate. You may think you are special, and you are, but that is only because the girl wishes to make you feel that way. However, the girl will also turn on you when she chooses. And trust me, I've done things that gave my girls plenty of excuses to leave but they chose to stay and that is only because they wanted to, not me.

You lost because you confessed to bar fining a girl from the same club. I bar fined girls while sweet "P" was in my arms. I bar fined another and sent her upstairs to tell my girl not to bother getting dressed. Carlos warned me that some day these girls would wait for me around the corner. Not just leave me, but do stuff to me. Now that's what you call a Cabron. You are nowhere near being a cabron. You are too kind. Your G girl quit on you because she wanted to. Her reasoning is nothing more than just an excuse. Can you face that?

Next time you go down and you want to bar fine her, offer her a regular salida fee and then some. See how she will jump on the opportunity to make more money. She will see it as income. You, on the other hand, will see it as "Hey, she still loves me."

Again, in a strip club, you are just another client. If you get extras, lucky you. But if you go in looking for one stripper to befriend you as her lover, you will be disappointed.

However, you have no idea what it takes to be a stripper's lover, to house a girl in your own den and lay down the ground rules and to have full control over her life. What you had was mealy a stripper who, by her own choice, favored you. And we all have that. But to go on living like she's 'yours' is not reality. A stripper owner will beat the living daylight out of her. She will be scared shitless to make a move without his approval. She will look both ways before she crosses the street, not for cars, but for him.

Wasted.

MonterreyDude

10-16-07, 17:22

USB says: "Well, except where Carlos is concerned, and those tall, older, fat bottomed girls . Except, Carlos seems to be turning over a new leaf lately...Good Show Old Boy...Bully for You!!!"

One of the things we keep pointing out: you do not pay attention. The only tall and wide girls I saw were the Casino girls and that was only briefly (no more than 3 weeks and they are not old, they were 21 each).
My former and actual Prestige and Obsession girls and actual Harem girl are envied by many.
Weird: you know them, they say hello to you, they sit with us and yet you insist that I see ugly girls?

Never said she was "mine" per se. That would, of course, be ridiculous with a girl that delivers sex in a strip club. But, I do say she was mine emotionally, of course, with the understanding that she is a ho, and certainly the likelihood of her being honest with me with respect to her verbalized "commitments" most of the time was certainly suspect. But, in the moment, and even when I was not in Monterrey, she delivered the GFE. That's the important thing, because literally, I would not act with any legitimacy on her attentions.

None the less, I do believe that my "relationship" with her was emotionally enriching to her, and that it was the basis for my hi-bred GFEs. It was the catalyst that yielded what I want. If I can't have what I want, I don't wish to return to Monterrey.

I said in my prior post that she delivered a great hi-bred GFE because she felt something. We are all able to do it well if we feel something. I am a consumate actor, in the best traditions of the great one, Sir Laurence Olivier, as is she. But, at some point we assumed a legitimacy to our roles, and things progressed to a point of legitimate emotional feeling, regardless of the underlying motivations, be they ego or whatever. Remember, we are all, even as males, more passionate, more affectionate, more giving, more sexual, everything...with a girl that we have some chemistry with, and because we are males, it is usually ones that are pretty, and not generally with the ones that are fat wart hogs...

Well, except where Carlos is concerned, and those tall, older, fat bottomed girls :D. Except, Carlos seems to be turning over a new leaf lately...Good Show Old Boy...Bully for You!!! :D

But, the "emotional" component is of profound importance to woman, even to hos, regardless of the true, probably subconscious, underlying reasons for her continually consistent attentions over the course of an entire year.

"G" demonstrated a passion level I appreciated, recipricated, and one that I have never experienced in Monterrey in the past, not with over 200 girls in MTY. My act was just as convincing as hers, and act perpetrated to yield Hi-Bred GFE. And, frankly, at some point, if the stars are aligned, if you're lucky, you both slip totally into character. That is pure chemistry, and it is what I had with her, and that is what I am looking to experience on a regular basis in exchange for spending the money on travel to MTY. It isn't a matter of what really was, it is a matter of perceptions, and whether I perceive I am getting my preferred experience.

Considering the high price of girls in Monterrey, versus other venues, it is mandatory that I experience that degree of satisfaction were I to routinely desire a return to Monterrey. My experience tells me that my preferences are not to be generally found in MTY without a lot of effort and expense, when at the same time, I know my preferences can more easily be found elsewhere.

Our motivations are, admittedly, a little different than the average female, ie: looks versus emotion and exclusivity. Girls have a very different psychological and emotional makeup, one that I also believe has a direct affect on their ego. I gave her an emotional commitment in exchange for her hi-bred GFE, and her exclusivity on salida. That's what she said she told me she wanted in so many ways, through performance, body language, verbally, and in every other way, in exchange for the GFE she delivered.

Not even money was a subject of our discussions, nor was it the overiding dependent factor. If I hear one more time that money was the motivator, money paid at a rate of 1000 pesos for 8-12 hours, I am going to scream, and have a coronary thrombosis.

Perhaps it was all centered around an ego boost for her....who knows. I am beginning to believe that...she just wanted the ego boost of a dedicated client, someone on the hook for her own ego gratification. She delivered the "long-time," and at a riduculously low price, to ensure the continued ego boost. That is a very plausible theory, and one I would buy into.

I have no idea if she honored her commitments to me on salida, and certainly during her off time, probably not. I honored mine pretty well, which were to provide her my relative exclusivity, and sincerely acted emotional affection, primarily to perpetuate the GFE that I was realizing as a result. My behavior was pretty reliable, with only an occassional straying, and that was because I agreed with the strategy that one needs other options. Because, I always knew this situation would eventually develop.

Realize too that just because I enjoyed the GFE she delivered, and appreciated her emotionally, does not mean I am not in love with my wife, just as an example. The passion with my "G" girl is not diminished by my affairs with other girls, my wife included. So, that having been said, she could have maintained the status quo and just as easily still delivered a legitimately felt GFE, but she chose instead to react like a scorned girlfriend.

I fail to see any logic in her behavior were her reactions to my indiscretions anything but emotionally based. IMHO, her ego was wounded, and she chose to punnish me, much in the same manner as Angry Girl, but in doing so, she has also simultaneously sabotaged what we both enjoyed in the moment, assuming of course that her GFE was not totally and completely disengeously delivered purely for economic sake...but 8-12 hours for 1000 pesos???

But, none the less, if she was feeling the pressure, she could have called the entire thing off several times. I gave her the option most recently two months ago, telling her that if she preferred me as a client, I will act solely as her client. That I did not want her to feel that she was being constrained, or dominated, or held back in any way. She refused that offer, and instead escelated her attentions to prove to me, after I gave her the option to get out, that she wanted something more than just a client relationship, indicating she wanted my "exclusivity" and my sincerity of affection.

I gave her my "relative" exclusivity, and my sincerity of affection, until last week. And, by my straying only once, in much the same manner as you regularly do, but not in front of her, and only after I confessed it to her in an effort to demonstrate what she claimed she loved about me, to do the "nice guy" thing, the rift developed.

No, there is definitely something else going on, and there always has been. Call it ego, call it disengenuousness, call it financial, call it what you will, but there is still something else that is additionally factored into the scenario, something with a deep seated emotional origin.

So, now, she wants out of the GFE arrangement. She is out, and so am I. No GFE, no USB, :D or more accurately, no money from USB for disengenuous mechanically delivered sessions. Without the GFE she is just another piece of meat on display. I do not want or desire that. It is easily available in all the clubs. She initially understood and desired the same thing that I wanted, but she no longer has the capacity to deliver it. The changes in her, IMHO, make her ineligible to duplicate what she originally brought to the table a year ago.

No, if they want me to return, they have to offer much, much more. They have to offer more than a peck on the cheek for the price of a series of drinks, and/or to cop a feel in the privados, and/or to show up on salida and act the starfish, and/or to promise the moon and not showup, and/or to cut me short on time...the list goes on, and ISG would be void of bandwidth were I to continue to detail what is so characteristic of the Mexico venue.

Call me demanding...ok, I am demanding. But, what they do not realize, nor care about, is that what I seek is most definitely available elsewhere. I have first hand experience getting it elsewhere, and nobody, especially those that have no direct experience in other venues, can convince me that somehow the Mexico scene is the nirvana of mongerdom, and that I am somehow dilusional about prospective other venues. And, if I choose to make that effort to visit more productive venues in lieu of Monterrey, my trips to Monterrey will be few and far between, except of course to visit with my amigos on occassion. But, for now, I am retired...trying to forget about the best girl in the whole world so far...she no longer lives.

El Cabron 007

10-16-07, 17:35

And yet, you still refuse to introduce them to me. What gives? Why are you hiding them from me?

USB says: "Well, except where Carlos is concerned, and those tall, older, fat bottomed girls . Except, Carlos seems to be turning over a new leaf lately...Good Show Old Boy...Bully for You!!!"

One of the things we keep pointing out: you do not pay attention. The only tall and wide girls I saw were the Casino girls and that was only briefly (no more than 3 weeks and they are not old, they were 21 each).
My former and actual Prestige and Obsession girls and actual Harem girl are envied by many.
Weird: you know them, they say hello to you, they sit with us and yet you insist that I see ugly girls?

MonterreyDude

10-16-07, 17:47

USB says: "G" girl's hi-bred GFE attentions"

Wasted, RTW and me have "hi-bred GFE" from our girls... I might even say, superior to G Girl.... and Iam being honest.

USB says: "When I compare the level of "lust" and "affection" exhibited by my "G" girl, lust and sincerely demonstrated affection, exhibited consistently for a year, to that of most girls in Monterrey, all others pale in comparison."

Lust and affection? We get that, tons of lust and affection.

USB says: "This kind of display is "hi-bred GFE," and quite rare, not only in MTY, but the rest of the world."

This totally, absolutely not true. I've seen others get it here and not Wasted and RTW, others.

You still haven't been able to explain why we get it and you don't... you just keep coming back to something that for us is standard stuff.

Well...

Let me start by saying that there is "GFE" available in Monterrey. I am probably being too hard on Monterrey, and not hard enough on myself for sabotaging a good thing.

I have to qualify the quality of experience of the standard GFE available in Monterrey in comparison to my "G" girl's hi-bred GFE attentions. I suffer the slings and arrows of cat calls from lurkers like Mastermind when I bring it up, because they believe me to be dilusional, or a liar, or both. But here goes anyway...what the hell...

When I compare the level of "lust" and "affection" exhibited by my "G" girl, lust and sincerely demonstrated affection, exhibited consistently for a year, to that of most girls in Monterrey, all others pale in comparison. And, this compares also with respect to desire for affection from me compared to all others. And, the distinction is, or was, always quite noticeable in comparison to all the rest, at least for the last year.

This kind of display is "hi-bred GFE," and quite rare, not only in MTY, but the rest of the world. Although, it is much "closer" in similarity in other venues such as Asia because for some reason, in places like Asia, venues where poverty is common place, I believe the girls develop a reverse mesiah complex where they imprint on their benefactors, which results in really intensive GFEs.

This is part of the supply and demand issue that I referred to earlier, where girls are simply thrilled to have a benefactor at all, thrilled that they will not starve for a week or two at a time, and I truly mean starve. So, their attentions are magnified, mainly because you are meeting their most basic needs. You are their savior, especially if you stick with them for long periods of time. It is much more so than you would ever experience with respect to meeting the greedy needs of a MTY bar girl, girls that are really quite affluent in comparison.

I believe that psychologically, in Monterrey with respect to emotional need, and in Asia with respect to actual physical need that eventually converts to emotional need, the hi-bred GFE is kind of like "Stockholm Syndrome," only different, where a girl attaches her emotional attentions to one "she" envisions as different, or one that meets her emotional needs, or one who meets her physical needs, which only serves to develop and emotional bond as well.

I believe I met the emotional needs of my "G" girl, and that were it not for that single one factor being in the mix, she would have performed much the same as all the rest of the girls I have experienced in Monterrey that were acceptable GFE. Fact is, if you will remember, when I bar fined her the first time in 2005, my opionions of her were that she was fine, but nothing really exceptional in performance. I actually avoided seeing her after the first bar fine because her reactions to me were just normal GFE, and I had other fish to fry.

That all changed as we got to know each other, and as things progressed beyond the P4P circumstances. I also believe that when she changed, obtaining the fake boobs, colored contact lenses, etc...she developed a declining need for the emotional affection she craved before. The changes she made, directly affected the intensity of the GFE. I could sense a difference in her personality, but it was only slight with respect to her attitude and attentions toward me, probably because we were already emotionally invested. But, make no mistake, the changes she made, changed her. If you will recall, when I first found out about the fake boobs, I articulated my concern from the very beginning, and ultimately, my concerns were validated.

Don't misunderstand, "GFE" IS AVAILABLE to me in MTY. I have other girls that would have been, and still are, perfectly fine girls, but not in comparison. Now, some may wish to call me naive, stupid, inexperienced, a liar, sappy, etc....but you, Carlos, know the shear numbers of girls I've bar fined in Monterrey over the years. So, my sampling of what is available, and range of experience resulting from that activity is quite extensive. So, when I say that the experience with my "G" girl was exceptional in comparison to all others, I mean it in spades.

Now, some can assume I am simply the mark of a skilled and manipulative bar girl. But, take it from me, the chemistry was genuine, and I believe there was something there that exceeds what is routinely experienced as mere GFE by most. I do not believe it was an act on her part. But, of course, everyone will say I am full of shit, and naive, and dilusional, etc...But, consider this, if it was an act, that does not change the distinction between my experience with her, versus all the others. The resulting hi-bred GFE with her, at least for an entire year, was unsurpassed, and by a very wide margin.

So, when I complain that I anticipate that other experiences will pale in comparison, I am accurately stating what I anticipate were I to return to Monterrey to experience substittutes. I have had enough experiences in MTY to know the distinction about the "hi-bred" GFE I just came off of, versus what I would undoubtedly experience even from the best of my GFE girls that are remaining.

And, frankly, their performances pale in comparison, bar none. That doesn't mean I could not enjoy the remaining team of candidates...certainly I could. But, it does mean that my comparison of their "performances" would probably leave me relatively dis-satisfied in comparison, and possibly sad. I prefer to avoid those feelings if possible, or a long shot, replace her with something of equal result. However, I realize the futility of that exercise. It takes a huge amount of work to convert a MTY bar girl to that kind of affection level.

At this juncture, what was serving to stimulate the hi-bred GFE with my "G" girl has been sabotaged as a result of my having bar fined the other girl, and also, the result of a changed persona in my "G" girl from her physical changes can not be overlooked as well. But, for my part, I have totally burst her bubble. The "bubble" is what fueled the Hi-Bred GFE. But, in addition, her "needs" have changed. As a result of her new found confidence, I believe the intrinsic need that drove the Hi-Bred GFE, and her affections for me, shrunk incrementally over time.

So, at this juncture, I doubt seriously if she would be salvagable, or that she would even consider demonstrating her same range of affections for me as before. There has been a metamorphisis started, one that I stupidly instigated by bar fining another girl, but one also that she perpetuated with her physical changes, changes that resulted in an eventual psychological metamorphosis in her. I believe the psychological changes in her as a result of her making physical changes would have brought an eventual end to the hi-bred GFE anyway, but I would have preferred it to be later rather than sooner.

She is so very angry with me, and I believe she is so significanly disappointed based on all of what we said to each other over the course of an entire year, and that as a result all is potentially lost. But, more importantly, she no longer needs whatever emotional support I was able to demonstrate to her. It is due to all the resulting psychological effects of what I refer to in my former posts, that she has lost the feeling that was most assuredly there for a year, the feeling in her that manifest itself in hi-bred GFE for me.

She still demonstated to me a feeling of loss over what we both experienced, but I detected an aire of arrogance in her the last few months, one that was not there before, one that is indicative of so many bar girls. The changes are inevitable when the girls do what they do for a living, and I believe when she made her physical changes, which psychologically changed her intrinsic need, it is what eventually sabataged the hi-bred GFE for me.

I was, frankly, anticipating it to occur as a result of the changes she made, but I would have preferred to have extended the GFE for a little longer for my own selfish reasons. Of course, I made the tactical error that permitted her to cut it off, and she now possesses the self confidence and arrogance to cut it off as a result of the psychological changes, changes that occurred as a result of her gaining a new confidence in her body and her overall appearance.

Only a few hours prior to my telling her all about my bar fining the other girl, her attitude toward me, her hi-bred GFE performance, was unchanged compared to the rest of the entire year. I could still detect in her an incremental change in her demeanor since the boob job, and had noticed it since the boob job, but it did not affect her affection level toward me. But, women are strange creatures psychologically. When my trangressions were disclosed, it hurt her deeply, or more accurately, if offended her deeply, and there is a difference between being hurt versus being offended. She lost the affection for me that was based somewhere initially in her psyche a year ago, the affection that drove the hi-bred GFE. It just wasn't the same any more.

She was not running a game on me over the past year. She is simply reacting from the disappointment of my seeing another girl in place of her...of betraying her emotional commitment. It has nothing to do with her functioning as the ho in her job, or viewing me as a client. I was not her client. They are able to seperate that out from their inner emotions.

Of course, sure...this could all be dilusional on my part. But, I've been through it before. It's real. And, maybe with time, she will come around with respect to forgiving me. But, for now, she is totally angry with me. But, more than angry, she has lost whatever drove the hi-bred. That's it...

Bottom line, whether you believe me to be dilusional with respect to the explanations of "why" or not, the reality of what was lost as a result of my behavior in bar fining another girl, and the intrinsic psychological changes resulting from her physical changes, is what adversely affected the hi-bred GFE. The conjecture as to "why" is simply an interesting intellectual discussion and philosophical theory about women in general, one that interests me.

But, for me, to attempt to substitute what I found in her over the past year with the standard GFE that could possibly be realized in other girls I know in Monterrey, would simply be a disappointment for me right now. So, I am out of the game for now.

MonterreyDude

10-16-07, 17:50

My old D girl at the Obsession?
My Y girl and A girl at the Prestige?
My ex D girl at the Infinito (this one you know)?
My Harem girl? (a place you don't go to due to high level of music).

You know them all.......

And yet, you still refuse to introduce them to me. What gives? Why are you hiding them from me?

El Cabron 007

10-16-07, 18:58

I am talking about the ones you are hiding from me. You won't even tell me their names.

My old D girl at the Obsession?
My Y girl and A girl at the Prestige?
My ex D girl at the Infinito (this one you know)?
My Harem girl? (a place you don't go to due to high level of music).

You know them all.......

Member #3453

10-16-07, 20:19

You have hi-bred GFE??? You do not have the time to experience hi-bred GFE.

I define hi-bred GFE as a girl staying with you because she wants to be there, 8-12 hours at a time, more than once, twice, three times, etc...

Hi-bred GFE is as was the case with my "G" girl, consistently every three weeks for a year, almost every day of the week, every moment she could break away. That is hi-bred GFE demonstrated with action, and not just words. As I said, "GFE," of the standard description is available in MTY, but not like I experienced it with my "G" girl. The consistency of her commitment demonstrated the genuineness of her emotion, the sincerity that so perfectly feeds the hi-bred GFE over time.

Frankly, I suspect that with my recent indiscretion, that she has reasons for calling a halt to it now, she telling me it is "mejor para ti," all the while sobbing about breaking it off. I fully expect the other shoe will drop in the not too distant future, and a revelation will possibly become quite evident. And, when it does, I will not be surprised.

Carlos says: "You still haven't been able to explain why we get it and you don't... you just keep coming back to something that for us is standard stuff."

I get lust and affection too. As I said, the standard "GFE" is available in Monterrey. Let me see if this will illustrate it more vividly for you...

As you know, I am not a drug user, only Coka-Lite, but in this sense, hi-bred GFE is like an addictive drug. If I may use a more accurate analogy, if one is hooked on Heroin, why settle for Tylenol? I am hooked on hi-bred GFE, as I define it. It will take some time for me to go "cold turkey" off of it, and settle for Tylenol. Retirement is ultimately the best option...

USB says: "G" girl's hi-bred GFE attentions"

Wasted, RTW and me have "hi-bred GFE" from our girls... I might even say, superior to G Girl.... and Iam being honest.

USB says: "When I compare the level of "lust" and "affection" exhibited by my "G" girl, lust and sincerely demonstrated affection, exhibited consistently for a year, to that of most girls in Monterrey, all others pale in comparison."

Lust and affection? We get that, tons of lust and affection.

USB says: "This kind of display is "hi-bred GFE," and quite rare, not only in MTY, but the rest of the world."

This totally, absolutely not true. I've seen others get it here and not Wasted and RTW, others.

You still haven't been able to explain why we get it and you don't... you just keep coming back to something that for us is standard stuff.

Member #3453

10-16-07, 20:24

Member #3453

10-16-07, 20:31

This is a momentous occassion!!!!!!! :D

I must point out that Carlos y Yo are tied with the same number of posts, actually, I may have surpassed him with my last couple of posts, and even with mine being so ridiculously "complete." (lengthy)
:D

Mill Just

10-16-07, 20:37

Please, Uno, read and understand Wasted's following post:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=656291&postcount=353

Now, read it again and again and understand that this is 100% true. There's nothing to be read between the lines, nothing that can be seen as an exception.
Brother, you have gone off the deep end and you need to be brought back to Earth. You are starting to sound like those weirdos who fall in love with a stripper, follow them around for years, propose to them and eventually hack them to pieces with a machete after they get set off.

You are sounding very, very delusional and even if everything you say is true, so what? You need to get over it and get over yourself.

Man of man, I'm kinda glad now that you couldn't make it to Morelia. I don't know if I'm psychologically equipped to handle a case like yours. Brotha, you've got more baggage than O'hare airport on Thanksgiving day. You're probably a good enough guy, but you've gotta stop fooling yourself.

And to all the newbie mongers out there, this should serve as a lesson to y'all. This deal should point out the danger in the whole "this girl is mine and that girl is yours" way of mongering. I told all the people in here awhile back that all the "My G girl and my X girl" stuff was crazy and now I hope you can all see my point. The fact of the matter is that when I go to MTY, all "your" girls are fair game just as all "mine" are if you come to Morelia. You know the old saying, right, "Bros before hoes?"

Uno, maybe you do need a cooling off period where you can get your mind back together and sort through some things- you know, take some sort of emotional inventory. I don't want to come off as mean, but your elevator seems to be stuck a few floors under the penthouse.

Member #3453

10-16-07, 21:27

Please...a machete is not nearly sophisticated enough for my own sense of pride, verdad? :D I mean, really...give me some kind of credit for creativity. I may be crazy, but I am not stupid.

C'mon...WastedG has me more accurately pegged. I am simply missing the perks of such a great hi-bred GFE gone bad. But, thanks for your concern. Now, lock the door. :D

Now, I'm back to retirement, to ponder a diabolical conclusion to this painful psycho scenario....mooooo haaaaahbahahahahah!!! :D

Please, Uno, read and understand Wasted's following post:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=656291&postcount=353

Now, read it again and again and understand that this is 100% true. There's nothing to be read between the lines, nothing that can be seen as an exception.
Brother, you have gone off the deep end and you need to be brought back to Earth. You are starting to sound like those weirdos who fall in love with a stripper, follow them around for years, propose to them and eventually hack them to pieces with a machete after they get set off.

You are sounding very, very delusional and even if everything you say is true, so what? You need to get over it and get over yourself.

Man of man, I'm kinda glad now that you couldn't make it to Morelia. I don't know if I'm psychologically equipped to handle a case like yours. Brotha, you've got more baggage than O'hare airport on Thanksgiving day. You're probably a good enough guy, but you've gotta stop fooling yourself.

And to all the newbie mongers out there, this should serve as a lesson to y'all. This deal should point out the danger in the whole "this girl is mine and that girl is yours" way of mongering. I told all the people in here awhile back that all the "My G girl and my X girl" stuff was crazy and now I hope you can all see my point. The fact of the matter is that when I go to MTY, all "your" girls are fair game just as all "mine" are if you come to Morelia. You know the old saying, right, "Bros before hoes?"

Uno, maybe you do need a cooling off period where you can get your mind back together and sort through some things- you know, take some sort of emotional inventory. I don't want to come off as mean, but your elevator seems to be stuck a few floors under the penthouse.

MonterreyDude

10-16-07, 21:29

It's the Blue Angel syndrome:

http://www.us.imdb.com/title/tt0020697/

Please, Uno, read and understand Wasted's following post:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=656291&postcount=353

Now, read it again and again and understand that this is 100% true. There's nothing to be read between the lines, nothing that can be seen as an exception.
Brother, you have gone off the deep end and you need to be brought back to Earth. You are starting to sound like those weirdos who fall in love with a stripper, follow them around for years, propose to them and eventually hack them to pieces with a machete after they get set off.

You are sounding very, very delusional and even if everything you say is true, so what? You need to get over it and get over yourself.

Man of man, I'm kinda glad now that you couldn't make it to Morelia. I don't know if I'm psychologically equipped to handle a case like yours. Brotha, you've got more baggage than O'hare airport on Thanksgiving day. You're probably a good enough guy, but you've gotta stop fooling yourself.

And to all the newbie mongers out there, this should serve as a lesson to y'all. This deal should point out the danger in the whole "this girl is mine and that girl is yours" way of mongering. I told all the people in here awhile back that all the "My G girl and my X girl" stuff was crazy and now I hope you can all see my point. The fact of the matter is that when I go to MTY, all "your" girls are fair game just as all "mine" are if you come to Morelia. You know the old saying, right, "Bros before hoes?"

Uno, maybe you do need a cooling off period where you can get your mind back together and sort through some things- you know, take some sort of emotional inventory. I don't want to come off as mean, but your elevator seems to be stuck a few floors under the penthouse.

MonterreyDude

10-16-07, 21:38

And again I'll go ahead of you, since you are retiring....

This is a momentous occassion!!!!!!! :D

I must point out that Carlos y Yo are tied with the same number of posts, actually, I may have surpassed him with my last couple of posts, and even with mine being so ridiculously "complete." (lengthy)
:D

MonterreyDude

10-16-07, 21:40

I already told the girls about you and your misadventure.
Remember, they always ask for your cookies.

By the way, they are perplexed... they just don't understand your reaction, cause they, like us, say that there are tons of girls to experiment with.

It's only you, and you alone that is refraining yourself from doing it.

No, I just commented in one of my many former posts that you are seeing some HOT girls of late. I realize you were experimenting with the Casino twins, and that they were an aberration...I mean abortion....no, I mean aberration, yeah that's it. Of course I know your Harem and Prestige girls...they are sweet, desireable girls, very good stock indeed. I love them dearly...please say hello for me :D

Member #3453

10-16-07, 22:24

It's the Blue Angel syndrome:

http://www.us.imdb.com/title/tt0020697/

How appropriate...my 'G" girl always referred to me as her "angel," literally she did.

And, plus, you knowing my back ground, the "Blue Angel" thing is so appropriate, verdad?

Well, the girls will be ever so slightly poorer as a result of my retirement. They never cared anyway. I am pimple on the ass of mongerdom to them. My pesos are of no consequence. Perhaps the girls of Asia will react with more "need."

Member #3453

10-16-07, 22:25

And again I'll go ahead of you, since you are retiring....

I am retiring from mongering. But, much to the consternation of some particularly irritated lurkers, and would be antagonists, I am not retiring from publishing...think again oh wise one.

Member #3453

10-16-07, 22:28

I already told the girls about you and your misadventure.
Remember, they always ask for your cookies.

By the way, they are perplexed... they just don't understand your reaction, cause they, like us, say that there are tons of girls to experiment with.

It's only you, and you alone that is refraining yourself from doing it.

What experimentation??? Mine are not experiments. They are field tested foregone conclusions of absolute and total success for hi-bred GFE, at least for one year anyway. And, were I to NOT have followed certain advice from the peanut gallery, and developed a lust for some strange, she would still be texting me every day. I miss that dearly.

743:742 hahhhh!!!

Frank Lucas

10-16-07, 23:27

UnospongeBob,

Hop on a plane with me in Feb and lets hit up SEA again and you will forget all about your G girl. I love latin women, but I can get that kind of loving in Reynosa. The only reason I come to MTY is to hangout and enjoy the company of my amigos like yourself, Carlos and Porquer. I realize that I shop on the slightly lower end of the scale in MTY in that I frequent the MP's, but hey if you go to 20-30 of them you are bound to find something, hahah.

I am going to Peru November 17-22, come with me UnospongeBob, it will be a blast.

Woodway

MonterreyDude

10-17-07, 02:50

Bad wording from my part does not change the fact the girls are amazed that you are not coming back... they are the first, cause they are ho's themselves, that do not understand your train of thought.

And we advised you to look for more options, cause USB insisted, and we believed him, that he had everything under control, specially the part that he didn't pay the girl... he compensated the time off work.

One thing we totally didn't tell you to do, so that part is not the advice given by the peanut gallery, was for you (of all persona) to go and tell the G-Girl that you barfined someone else from the Infinito.

That is a mistake wholey restricted to newbies...
As a matter of fact you haven't even told us why you made such a slip, unless it was a Freudian slip designed by your subconcious to get rid of the G-girl.

What experimentation??? Mine are not experiments. They are field tested foregone conclusions of absolute and total success for hi-bred GFE, at least for one year anyway. And, were I to NOT have followed certain advice from the peanut gallery, and developed a lust for some strange, she would still be texting me every day. I miss that dearly.

743:742 hahhhh!!!

Member #3453

10-17-07, 03:46

Carlos Says: "As a matter of fact you haven't even told us why you made such a slip, unless it was a Freudian slip designed by your subconcious to get rid of the G-girl."

I don't blame anyone but myself...I realize that my tactical decisions are my own. I am only pulling your chains with respect to the Cabron defense.

I have seriously considered that the Fruedian slip may have been a potential explanation for my foolishness in telling her, that perhaps it was my own subconscious hoping to get rid of her. But, I decided that nothing could be further from the truth. I wish she would reconsider, and cut me some slack. But, I doubt she would reconsider it, so I am retired from the hobby. I prefer not to subject myself to the ups and downs. I simply get too "invested" to enjoy it. Were I to simply partake like the rest of you, not try to develop these girls beyond just the standard GFE, then I would probably be alright. But, honestly, I have no interest in anything but the hi-bred GFE. I have concluded that I'm in a Catch 22 situation, and that to return just perpetuates my own demons.

As MJ said, I play an emotionally dangerous game, and I believe that for me, it truly is a game, perhaps one of conquest, one that yields significant emotional dividends while simulataneoulsy setting you up for the finale. I am also convinced that I engage in it for psychological and intellectual stimulation...for something to prove. But, it is one that has an emotional toll, not just on the girl, but on me as well. Plus, when I play the game, girls that most might consider perfectly acceptable, are judged mediocre by me when I am not able to turn them, or in instances where I believe that to turn them might cost me an arm and a leg, or considerable amounts of time that I do not have.

But, to answer your question, here is how it happened...how I foolishly came to tell her of my stupidity in bar fining another girl, especially from the same bar.

Actually, my decision to tell her was after meeting with Angry Girl in the Privados the night before I told her. I had bar fined another girl from the bar the previous night. Angry girl is not the girl I bar fined. I bar fined the girl named "C" from the night shift, not Angry Girl. The "C" girl is mistaken frequently for my "G" girl. They have a similar look, except the "C" girl is smaller built. But, I did sit with Angry Girl in the privados, and we became reaquainted again that night, after almost exactly one year following our fight. She told me that she knew I had bar fined a girl from the night shift the previous night.

You might recall that I did not do anything with the "C" girl because, literally, she was menstrating that night. I told that whole story previously in one of my trip reports. But, suffice it to say, I attempted to tell my "G" girl that I had done nothing with her, and that it was a stupid mistake to bar fine her to begin with. Fact is, I would turn back time, and relive those moments of my life if I could do so. But, of course, I can't.

I imagined that it was only a matter of time before either Angry Girl, or some other girl, told my "G" girl. I did not want her to find out that way. Even as the half assed Cabron, I cared about how she would find it out, and I just wanted to spare her the news delivered in that way. I decided to summon the courage to tell her myself, like a man. I decided that it was inevitable that she would find out, and I decided that I would talk to her first, try to explain to her, hoping she would understand, and I hoped that I could pursuade her that it was a foolish mistake on my part. I ultimately failed at that attempt. But, not initially.

Initially, she told me she forgave me. The two of us went out to the movies that same night I told her, after I paid the double bar fine at El Infinito. Things went well during the movie, and things were seemingly fine. But, after the movie ended, she went to the bathroom, and remained in there for about 10 minutes or so. Things deteriorated after she emerged from the ladies room. I believe it was there, in the ladies room, that she talked by cell to one of her friend(s), because when she emerged, she told me she did not feel well, and that she had not felt well at work the entire night. She convinced me that it would be best for her to go home. But, I believe it was simply a way to get rid of me so she could talk to her friend about what had happened.

She accompanied me to my hotel, and while en route, I could hear that she was getting message alerts on her cell phone, but she was ignoring them. She would not answer or check it in my presence. I knew something was up, but she did not answer the phone, retrieve messages, or read any text messages in my presence. The moment I exited the taxi, she was on the phone as the taxi pulled away from the curb, she glancing back at me and waiving goodbye to me, while simultaneously also realizing, with a slightly guilty look on her face, that I was noticing her immediately retrieving her cell phone from her purse.

The next day, she sent me a text message telling me that she thought it was best that we not see each other any more. I called her cell phone immediately after getting the text, and we talked for a while. I asked her if she had been talking to her friends about the circumstances, and she admitted to me that she had been talking to her friend in TJ. Obviously, all that were giving her advice, advised her to break it off with me immediately, and to have no further contact with me.

That night, I saw her at El Infinito, she refused to go with me on salida, telling me that we were no longer together, and that she would only see me in the privados, or for a drink in the club. She explained that she no longer felt the same way about me after what I had done, and that we were no longer together. She explained that she would probably return to her Mexican boyfriend, and she said something interesting...she said that he, her old boyfriend, was like me, meaning that he was similiar in wanting to hang around her, doing the mundane, routine things in life, showing a genuine range of affection by wanting to spend time with her hanging out, affection that she no longer believed was verdad from me due to my stupid mistake at bar fining another girl. She really loved the exclusivity angle, and I believe it fed her ego, as well as it provided her emotional comfort. Afterall, she initially chose me, and not the other way around. This is ALWAYS the best scenario for hi-bred GFE, when they choose you.

We sat over a drink to talk about it. She told me that it was going to be better for me if we did not see each other any more, and she mentioned something about leaving the area for her job in TJ. She had expressed some concern over the job change breaking us up when we talked about it earlier in the week, before we had any problems between us. At that time, she seemed like she was hesitant to agree to venture off to TJ on account of me. She even suggested that perhaps she could relocate to Reynosa. She discussed these issues with me with all sincerity, confirming with me that if she moved to Reynosa, I could still visit with her regularly. But, obviously, after the problems developed, her friend in TJ had considerable influence over her making the decision to break it off, and to have no further contact with me. And, I believe that she also became resolved to considering a move to TJ as a legitimate possibility with me no longer a part of her life, which was not something, according to her, that she was even remotely considering when I was still in the picture.

I have not heard from her since. Except that I did talk to her briefly on the phone while she was on the bus back to Garcia after work. She told me she was sleeping, and that she would think about us more, and send me a text when she got home. She did text me one last time late that night, about 1:30am. In the text, she told me I was just like all other men, and that I should no longer speak to her. I have not spoken to her since.

That was always a distinction that she made with respect to how she claimed she thought of me, that I was not like the other men in the bar. When I bar fined another girl, she decided that I was just like all the rest that have been a disappointment to her, reason enough to break it off with me, along with whatever other external factors were weighing on her mind, job, old/present boyfriend, mother, brothers, family, young son, work responsibilties, new prospects in TJ, etc...

Of course, you all here on ISG know I am NOT like the other men in the bar, far from it. I am regularly ridiculed here for exhibiting text that reveals me to be a sap, naive, etc...But, the reality is, I play a different game. You all know how I look at things differently, and how I do not think the same way as all the other mongers in the bar. That is the irony, no? It's too bad she misjudged me. Were I able to repair it, I would, and I would return to MTY to see her, to play the game once again. But, as it stands now, with her refusing to see me, probably hating me for what I did to her, I prefer to retire, and forget about her. I will really never, ever forget her, but time heals all wounds. I really have no other choice.

Carlos, you can explain my position to the girls in Prestige and Obsession if you wish. My position is that I have no real prospect for my kind of "romance" in those bars, so with respect to my returning to see those girls, even though I like them all a lot, they must understand that to return to them for a peck on the cheek is prohibitively expensive with respect to travel cost alone. If they are disengenous with me about meeting me outside, it is a waste of my time and money. I will miss them...I do like them very much, especially "N," and your "A" girl. And, even "J," she is a nice person, even if she has jerked me around a lot. Tell them goodbye, and good luck for me.

I realize that you may have a difficult time explaining my point of view with respect to what I look for in my travels, a sincerity that is not P4P. I realize it is such a non-conventional concept with respect to the average point of view held by most mongers and their hos alike. But none the less, it is attainable. I just proved it, and I have proven it in other venues, and even in Monterrey several times to varying degrees.

The story of what happened between me and my "G" girl, the way I feel, and the melancholy I feel over the way things ended with my "G" girl is genuine. They may not be able to understand it as hos, but they will consumately understand it as women, if they will just think back to at time before they allowed their business to corrupt them, if they can remember that far back.

MJ is right about the dangers of my thinking the way I do. I taunt fate everytime I find a girl, and recognize in her some of the same traits of vulnerability that I found in my "G" girl. First, when I make those kinds of evaluations, the girl is just as likely to be running a more sophisticated game on me. So, there are dangers on two fronts. But, in those instances where I find a legitimate opportunity, such as what I found in my "G" girl, there is equal danger. Because, just as MJ pointed out, the outcome will always be painful emotionally...as everyone puts it, they will stab you in the back each and every time. But, honestly, I stabbed her in the back. And for that, I am truly sorry and wish I could turn back the clock.

When I recognize those traits in certain new girls, I put into motion a set of strategies that are designed to produce the hi-bred GFE experience. It has been successful in varying degrees three to four times in Monterrey, and several times, with significantly less effort, in other, more poverty stricken, venues of the world.

I have decided that if I continue to play the game that way, it will always end badly, just as MJ suggests. So, unless I change my mind about playing the game my way, it is probably best to retire from the game. I could always change my mind, but I am resolved to that way of thinking at this juncture.

Bad wording from my part does not change the fact the girls are amazed that you are not coming back... they are the first, cause they are ho's themselves, that do not understand your train of thought.

And we advised you to look for more options, cause USB insisted, and we believed him, that he had everything under control, specially the part that he didn't pay the girl... he compensated the time off work.

One thing we totally didn't tell you to do, so that part is not the advice given by the peanut gallery, was for you (of all persona) to go and tell the G-Girl that you barfined someone else from the Infinito.

That is a mistake wholey restricted to newbies...
As a matter of fact you haven't even told us why you made such a slip, unless it was a Freudian slip designed by your subconcious to get rid of the G-girl.

El Cabron 007

10-17-07, 04:14

Bob, before I react, please confirm:

Are you saying that this breakup was a result of the advice we gave you? Just say yay or nay so I can respond. Seriously now.

Wasted

And, were I to NOT have followed certain advice from the peanut gallery, and developed a lust for some strange, she would still be texting me every day.

Member #3453

10-17-07, 04:47

Bob, before I react, please confirm:

Are you saying that this breakup was a result of the advice we gave you? Just say yay or nay so I can respond. Seriously now.

Wasted

No, not a result of that in the least. Please re-read the first part of my post, after re-accessing it. I added some stuff to clarify, and you won't have to delve too deeply into the text to get it. Thanks.

MonterreyDude

10-17-07, 06:52

You are not a Cabrone... at all.
A Cabrone would have been at it that same night, having fun with the girls and caring nothing for the girl that just let you go free.

And I believe the "peanut gallery" was another Freudian slip.
Which I don't mind cause we did tell you and advice you... you just went and deployed your own version of our advice, parting from your logic, a flawed logic, that thinks that can psycoanalize the girls to the crossing the "t's" and dotting the "i's".

Now please tell us: were we right or were we wrong in advising you to look for other green pastures, parallel to G-Girl?
I mean, something you didn't pay attention too, cause you went to old and worn pastures in the person of Cindy #1.
USB: Cindy #1 is KEY to everything. Am sure she triggered all the Freudian slips and errors you made. Am so sure now... you have posts and posts mentioning how good it felt to be back with her, talking to her, increasing possibilites of seeing her on salidas...
Somehow your twisted psychology of the girls made you see Cindy #1 as a confortable girl to be with.
Look at how you asked for the new place she is working at after the text messages she sent to you and even raised to possiblity of visiting her, when you swore before that you were not coming back to Monterrey.
Another Freudian slip.

I see now that misery loves company... when you bumped into her again at the Pasarelas was the beggining of the end to everything you had established...

Haven't you notice how Wasted and me cut lose the girls, completely, when the realtionship goes wrong??? Never to have them again?
Cause if we did, they would sour our present days....

No, not a result of that in the least. Please re-read the first part of my post, after re-accessing it. I added some stuff to clarify, and you won't have to delve too deeply into the text to get it. Thanks.

Member #3453

10-17-07, 12:40

Yeah, I was in the privados after breaking up with her, and I ran into her several times on the stairs. She would not look me in the eyes. When we got done with our drink, I suggested another, and she said no, lets go to the privados. I refused, told her goodbye, and began looking for a girl to take into the privados. She started looking for a dude to take upstairs after we parted, found an old fat one sitting not too far away, he couldn't resist, so up they went.

After fucking her silly for a year, I was not going to waste my time and money in the privados with her. So, you see, I am more the Cabron than most interpret me to be.

You guys were totally and completely correct in advised me to find alternates. I never disagreed with that recommendation. I activiely looked, found a few, but frankly, never really cared for them in comparison. So, I stuck with her. Not because I particularly was "married" to her, but because she delivered the HI-Bred GFE where others only delivered the standard version.

As for Cindy #1, my attitude toward her is that she is a reliable provider at this juncture, and that I like fucking her. She is tighter than my "G" girl, has natural and very attractive boobs, and she is seemingly adjusting her schedule to stay long time. Her attitude toward me is standard GFE, which is fine. She does not provide the hi-bred GFE, but perhaps that is too much of an emotional roller coaster for me anyway. Perhaps I need to scale back those expectations.

Carlos always advises me to reduce my expectations, and settle for girls that are less attractive, older, more appropriate to my age. But, getting the younger, attractive ones to go on salida was never a problem. The problem has to do with quality of performance.

But, the reality is, I believe I need to scale back my expectations with respect to Hi-Bred GFE, because, literally, it truly isn't worth the aggravation. I believe I should reduce my expectations for hi-bred GFE, assuming of course that I am not retiring, which I am.

You are not a Cabrone... at all.
A Cabrone would have been at it that same night, having fun with the girls and caring nothing for the girl that just let you go free.

And I believe the "peanut gallery" was another Freudian slip.
Which I don't mind cause we did tell you and advice you... you just went and deployed your own version of our advice, parting from your logic, a flawed logic, that thinks that can psycoanalize the girls to the crossing the "t's" and dotting the "i's".

Now please tell us: were we right or were we wrong in advising you to look for other green pastures, parallel to G-Girl?
I mean, something you didn't pay attention too, cause you went to old and worn pastures in the person of Cindy #1.
USB: Cindy #1 is KEY to everything. Am sure she triggered all the Freudian slips and errors you made. Am so sure now... you have posts and posts mentioning how good it felt to be back with her, talking to her, increasing possibilites of seeing her on salidas...
Somehow your twisted psychology of the girls made you see Cindy #1 as a confortable girl to be with.
Look at how you asked for the new place she is working at after the text messages she sent to you and even raised to possiblity of visiting her, when you swore before that you were not coming back to Monterrey.
Another Freudian slip.

I see now that misery loves company... when you bumped into her again at the Pasarelas was the beggining of the end to everything you had established...

Haven't you notice how Wasted and me cut lose the girls, completely, when the realtionship goes wrong??? Never to have them again?
Cause if we did, they would sour our present days....

MonterreyDude

10-17-07, 17:28

USB says: "As for Cindy #1, my attitude toward her is that she is a reliable provider at this juncture, and that I like fucking her. She is tighter than my "G" girl, has natural and very attractive boobs, and she is seemingly adjusting her schedule to stay long time. Her attitude toward me is standard GFE, which is fine. She does not provide the hi-bred GFE, but perhaps that is too much of an emotional roller coaster for me anyway. Perhaps I need to scale back those expectations."

But she did... she did provide what you define as "hi-bred" GFE when you met her. And you totally evaded the part that I still think she is to blame for your mix ups, Freudian slips and total waste of time in one of your trips.

"As for Cindy #1, my attitude toward her is that she is a reliable provider at this juncture, and that I like fucking her. She is tighter than my "G" girl, has natural and very attractive boobs, and she is seemingly adjusting her schedule to stay long time"

This is funny: you told me when you bumped into her that she looked heavier, older... a total different Cindy #1 than the one you first met. One that has been totally wasted by her lifestyle.
Now she is again a reliable provider.

USB say: "Carlos always advises me to reduce my expectations, and settle for girls that are less attractive, older, more appropriate to my age."

I never said this per se. I said your selection parameters are to strict, leaving out good options. I never mentioned older, I never mentioned less attractive.
I definitely said that at our age, we can't be that picky.

Yeah, I was in the privados after breaking up with her, and I ran into her several times on the stairs. She would not look me in the eyes. When we got done with our drink, I suggested another, and she said no, lets go to the privados. I refused, told her goodbye, and began looking for a girl to take into the privados. She started looking for a dude to take upstairs after we parted, found an old fat one sitting not too far away, he couldn't resist, so up they went.

After fucking her silly for a year, I was not going to waste my time and money in the privados with her. So, you see, I am more the Cabron than most interpret me to be.

You guys were totally and completely correct in advised me to find alternates. I never disagreed with that recommendation. I activiely looked, found a few, but frankly, never really cared for them in comparison. So, I stuck with her. Not because I particularly was "married" to her, but because she delivered the HI-Bred GFE where others only delivered the standard version.

As for Cindy #1, my attitude toward her is that she is a reliable provider at this juncture, and that I like fucking her. She is tighter than my "G" girl, has natural and very attractive boobs, and she is seemingly adjusting her schedule to stay long time. Her attitude toward me is standard GFE, which is fine. She does not provide the hi-bred GFE, but perhaps that is too much of an emotional roller coaster for me anyway. Perhaps I need to scale back those expectations.

Carlos always advises me to reduce my expectations, and settle for girls that are less attractive, older, more appropriate to my age. But, getting the younger, attractive ones to go on salida was never a problem. The problem has to do with quality of performance.

But, the reality is, I believe I need to scale back my expectations with respect to Hi-Bred GFE, because, literally, it truly isn't worth the aggravation. I believe I should reduce my expectations for hi-bred GFE, assuming of course that I am not retiring, which I am.

Member #3453

10-17-07, 21:13

Cindy #1 is not her former self, certainly. I met her when she was 22 years old, no babies, and she is now between 26-27 years of age, one baby. So, consequently she has put on a little weight. But, she is still hotter, sexier, and harder bodied than 98% of the girls we regularly find in the clubs. She is only moderately heavier.

Frankly, when I took her on salida this last time, she was surprisingly fit. I thought that from having a baby, and being a little bigger, that she might prove to be a little bit of a disappointment. I was totally wrong, and enjoyed her very much. Not only that, but she has become more intellectualy stimulating, and much more of a calm personality, preferring now to relax, listen to music, and seemingly just wanting to enjoy her time with me...lots of carino.

I suppose with the advance in age, she is more mature, more interesting, less impulsive, and just more reserved in private. I know how she comes across in the club, but she is much more relaxed in private. I know the two of you do not get along Carlos. She has the feminazi attitude toward the Cabrons of the World. She simply is too hot headed to sit still for any shit. But, once you worm your way into her psyche, she warms up quite nicely. Plus, I have all that past history that serves to make her much more appreciative that I have stuck with her through the thick 'n thin, and fat :D "That's a joke son." Oh, that's not fair...she really isn't fat, just ever so slightly bigger built than before...really.

These accolades all hinge on whether she is sober of course, a monumental variable to everything I articulate here as being acceptable to me.

I remember when she was 22 years old, you could bounce a quarter off her stomach, and her entire body was as hard as a rock, her ass the perfect shape, like two perfect melons in your hands as she rode cowgirl. She was very, very loving too, with such a nack for kissing and caressing.

She was NOT an accomplished cock sucker...I remember that distinctly. I remember the first time she tried it on me, during our very first salida at PDA. Remember, Cindy #1 was my very first salida in Monterrey. Up to that point, all my activities had been in the clubs, and/or within the club environment in NLBT. It was quite an initial investment too. I remember spending around 1800 pesos to take her out of TVO, which included the bar fine. I was cheap enough then, and frugal enough to have formerly been cautious with my money, at least with respect to paying salidas. I just didn't spend that kind of money on stuff. So, for me to bar fine her from TVO, it was quite a momentous occassion indeed.

It was the very first ground breaking session at PDA too I might add. I was, afterall, the very first one to discover Plaza Del Arco, and it was on my maiden visit with Cindy #1 that PDA entered the pages of ISG. I remember the waiter, Victor, drove us to the hotel for a slight tip. He canvassed them, several of them as I recall, trying to find one that would permit her in the room with me. PDA had no problem with it, and we were off to the races.

On this first trip on salida, I remember one of the bell boys coming to the room to bring her breakfast, he seeing her lying in bed, obviously nude, but with the cover pulled up around her neck as he gawked into the room. What a site to see. Even in bed, fully covered with a blanket up to her neck, she exuded sexuality like sap ooozing from a Maple tree.

The poor young man, eyes bulging out of his head at the site of Cindy #1 lying primed and fevered in bed...just the site of her there probably made him cream in his pants...I will never forget the look on his face...I never felt so proud of myself in all my born days...but I digress.

Anyway, it was during our first salida that I concluded that cocksucking was almost totally foreign to her, if you can believe it. But, of course, she has probably gained the skills over the years by now, at least I would hope so. But, even to this day, I do not find her making the effort at cock sucking, certainly not to the extent of my "G" girl, who was a consumate cock sucking expert. Cock sucking in and of itself is not my favorite past time, and I did not engage in it much with my "G" girl, or with Cindy #1, but it does beat watching Jeapardy.

My "G" girl seemed to enjoy it a lot, where Cindy #1 seems a little less desireous of that activity. Cindy #1 and I did not engage in that acitivity last time. If I were to return, I would test the range of her skills just out of curiosity. I have not tested her skills in that department in probably five years. But, of course, I will probably not have the opportunity since I am retired.

Cindy #1 IS noticeably tighter than a very large percentage of the girls I have had on salida in the past, including my "G" girl. And, as an added bonus, I significantly prefer the way she screws in comparison to my "G" girl with respect to cowgirl. But, I significantly prefer my "G" girl in the missionary position.

But, the bottom line to all this "preference" criteria, something most of you will not understand, and the thing that distinquishes all my GFE girls, is their attitude. It has to do with the "starfish" syndrome. The girls that I prefer are consumate "responders" to stimuli...the opposite of starfish. That is what I enjoy the most about my girls, along with the carino that results from their desire for kissing, hugging, maybe some oral, etc...But, in addition, it is the getting to know them as people that escelates the GFE from standard to hi-bred GFE. Most of you will never understand it. But, I truly believe that the female psyche lends itself to this kind of familiarity, and that through it, the GFE can be significantly enhanced. Anyway, that's my theory on it. Your mileage may vary.

If the girl responds, both physically, and with affection, and including she demonstrating and aire of unique familiarity, familiarity where the pretenses are dropped, and the true person reveals themselves with some genuineness, then she is placed on the "approved provider" list. Cindy #1 responds where so many others do not, or are simply mediocre, too sensitive here, too sensitive there, too ticklish here, too ticklish there, too many pretenses, too stiff, too formal, not relaxed, whatever...I know it sounds that I am overly demanding, having criteria that no person can live up to, but the right girls are out there. It's just that they're sometimes difficult to find, and frankly, they are sufficiently unique in Monterrey, that finding them is quite a lot of effort.

Sure, Cindy #1 was hotter when she was younger, but she did not try as hard then as she does with me now. She still has a pretty hot body, and our time together is more pleasant. We are comfortable with each other...very comfortable. Actually, her boobs are better than they have ever been. She and I have a long history. I believe that serves me well at this juncture, a girl getting older, feeling her age, seeing a much dimmer future as she continues to age, and my being and old friend, a client for many years, a person of comfort to her now. So, there are some things motivating her in my favor with respect to GFE. She delivers the GFE, and were I to revisit, which is NOT likely, I would probably see her again.

Is the carino aspect just chemistry, or is it the girl? Who knows...I have never quite figured that one out. Some girls are better than others at it. And, if you really research it, you'll find that if you canvas a sampling of mongers about one girl in particular, you will get a widely varied range of opinions as to their performance levels, and especially as to the monger's individual satisfaction level. That's why I always contended that my "G" girl was unique to me, just as she would be unique to others with respect to their preferences and satisfaction level. Always, your mileage may vary. But, her uniqueness with respect to her meeting all my criteria made her absolutely loveable.

My "G" girl filled the time so nicely. To find a replacement that will spend the time willingly, and in exchange for disproportionately small amounts of money, would be almost impossible. I enjoyed her company, not just because of the sex she delivered, which was fantastic, but because I enjoyed knowing her as a person of very special qualities, qualities that have nothing to do whatsoever with sex, or mongering, etc...and in that I am truly sincere.

I got to know her intimately over the course of the entire year, and I do not mean that sexually. Whether she was disengeous with me or not with respect to her profession really doesn't matter. She revealed a lot of herself to me, and I am convinced that her giving more than I bargained for is what lead to the hi-bred GFE. It was a direct result of my feeling so completely satisfied. That is where the "love" originates. Complete and total satisfaction is a strong motivator to having emotional bonds to certain girls. It is also the source of my regret now, that I will not know her in the future, and I do not mean sexually. Sex is easily available in Monterrey. It is all the other that is more illusive.

I chose to spend a lot of time with her, escelating the GFE to a point where it would perpetuate itself into future trips of equal quality. I never dreamed it would last a year. But, in perpetuating the hi-bred GFE with her, I also fell into the abis, getting to know her beyond even the intimacy that is a part of sex. That is the loss I feel now, that a person whose personality I knew so well is no longer a person I will know in the future. It's kind of like someone died...how sad. But, were I to revisit Monterrey, I would simply pick up where I left off, continuing the search.

See, you are damned if you do, and damned if you don't when you limit your activities to just one girl, and especially when you engage in playing the game the way I do, getting to know them on a deeper, sincere level. One can almost never achieve true perfection in one girl, almost never.

That is why I have always told you, Carlos, MJ, and WastedG, that you have to expand your other options, but you just won't listen :D

But, please, do not underestimate me. I, even now, already have other options arranged for. But, in my heart of hearts, I know they will not deliver the goods in the uniquely familiar way of my "G" girl, in the same way as my "G" girl met my needs.

After coming off such an intensive experience, I am concerned that I would be too saddened by the sub-standard levels of comparative performance to really enjoy it, even if her replacements are GFE quality. And it occurs to me that with all the down time, the loneliness without my "G" girl to fill the time, or a least a comparable substitute, I would find myself too melancholy to spend more than a day or two in Monterrey, especially when I realize that it takes days upon days to canvas the clubs to find an acceptable girl for GFE. Then, to achieve hi-bred GFE, it takes weeks of continually charming them. It is a long, arduous process, one not for the faint of heart, and certainly one not for those that are impatiently wanting only sexual gratification and nothing more.

Carlos is a wonderful host, arranging for the comradre and fraternization between friends in the clubs, doing so as often as he possibly can, helping to fill the down time. He is a wonderful friend and companion, not only to me, but to the many that have visited Monterrey. You all know how giving he is. But, to have to experience the down times without my "G" girl to comfort me, to entertain me, teach me more Spanish, talk to me, not even considering the sex part of it, it just seems like it would be somewhat difficult to endure her missing from the picture. So, for me, I believe I am probably better off here at home, where I have my wife, truly my best friend, to comfort me. I miss my "G" girl dearly, but to revisit Monterrey without her being there for me is simply too painful a prospect to contemplate right now. Hence, retirement is my only option. She will not talk to me.

USB says: "As for Cindy #1, my attitude toward her is that she is a reliable provider at this juncture, and that I like fucking her. She is tighter than my "G" girl, has natural and very attractive boobs, and she is seemingly adjusting her schedule to stay long time. Her attitude toward me is standard GFE, which is fine. She does not provide the hi-bred GFE, but perhaps that is too much of an emotional roller coaster for me anyway. Perhaps I need to scale back those expectations."

But she did... she did provide what you define as "hi-bred" GFE when you met her. And you totally evaded the part that I still think she is to blame for your mix ups, Freudian slips and total waste of time in one of your trips.

"As for Cindy #1, my attitude toward her is that she is a reliable provider at this juncture, and that I like fucking her. She is tighter than my "G" girl, has natural and very attractive boobs, and she is seemingly adjusting her schedule to stay long time"

This is funny: you told me when you bumped into her that she looked heavier, older... a total different Cindy #1 than the one you first met. One that has been totally wasted by her lifestyle.
Now she is again a reliable provider.

USB say: "Carlos always advises me to reduce my expectations, and settle for girls that are less attractive, older, more appropriate to my age."

I never said this per se. I said your selection parameters are to strict, leaving out good options. I never mentioned older, I never mentioned less attractive.
I definitely said that at our age, we can't be that picky.

MonterreyDude

10-18-07, 01:49

USB says: "That is why I have always told you, Carlos, MJ, and WastedG, that you have to expand your other options, but you just won't listen"

We don't have in our manifest crazy girls... well, Wasted does but he already purged his list.
My options are far safer and more emotional stable than Cindy #1.

There is one thing you keep failing to understand: you don't have the capacity to control Cindy #1. She does whatever she wants with you.
She is starting to control you again, and is reeling you back.
You don't know her kind, the capacity within her to emotionaly hurt people.
And you are very vulnerable to that.
Believe me, with girls like her you have to be violent and agresive... believe me you are none.
Girls like her mess up your private and personal life, which she did and it hit you hard.

Cindy #1 is not her former self, certainly. I met her when she was 22 years old, no babies, and she is now between 26-27 years of age, one baby. So, consequently she has put on a little weight. But, she is still hotter, sexier, and harder bodied than 98% of the girls we regularly find in the clubs. She is only moderately heavier.

Frankly, when I took her on salida this last time, she was surprisingly fit. I thought that from having a baby, and being a little bigger, that she might prove to be a little bit of a disappointment. I was totally wrong, and enjoyed her very much. Not only that, but she has become more intellectualy stimulating, and much more of a calm personality, preferring now to relax, listen to music, and seemingly just wanting to enjoy her time with me...lots of carino.

I suppose with the advance in age, she is more mature, more interesting, less impulsive, and just more reserved in private. I know how she comes across in the club, but she is much more relaxed in private. I know the two of you do not get along Carlos. She has the feminazi attitude toward the Cabrons of the World. She simply is too hot headed to sit still for any shit. But, once you worm your way into her psyche, she warms up quite nicely. Plus, I have all that past history that serves to make her much more appreciative that I have stuck with her through the thick 'n thin, and fat :D "That's a joke son." Oh, that's not fair...she really isn't fat, just ever so slightly bigger built than before...really.

These accolades all hinge on whether she is sober of course, a monumental variable to everything I articulate here as being acceptable to me.

I remember when she was 22 years old, you could bounce a quarter off her stomach, and her entire body was as hard as a rock, her ass the perfect shape, like two perfect melons in your hands as she rode cowgirl. She was very, very loving too, with such a nack for kissing and caressing.

She was NOT an accomplished cock sucker...I remember that distinctly. I remember the first time she tried it on me, during our very first salida at PDA. Remember, Cindy #1 was my very first salida in Monterrey. Up to that point, all my activities had been in the clubs, and/or within the club environment in NLBT. It was quite an initial investment too. I remember spending around 1800 pesos to take her out of TVO, which included the bar fine. I was cheap enough then, and frugal enough to have formerly been cautious with my money, at least with respect to paying salidas. I just didn't spend that kind of money on stuff. So, for me to bar fine her from TVO, it was quite a momentous occassion indeed.

It was the very first ground breaking session at PDA too I might add. I was, afterall, the very first one to discover Plaza Del Arco, and it was on my maiden visit with Cindy #1 that PDA entered the pages of ISG. I remember the waiter, Victor, drove us to the hotel for a slight tip. He canvassed them, several of them as I recall, trying to find one that would permit her in the room with me. PDA had no problem with it, and we were off to the races.

On this first trip on salida, I remember one of the bell boys coming to the room to bring her breakfast, he seeing her lying in bed, obviously nude, but with the cover pulled up around her neck as he gawked into the room. What a site to see. Even in bed, fully covered with a blanket up to her neck, she exuded sexuality like sap ooozing from a Maple tree.

The poor young man, eyes bulging out of his head at the site of Cindy #1 lying primed and fevered in bed...just the site of her there probably made him cream in his pants...I will never forget the look on his face...I never felt so proud of myself in all my born days...but I digress.

Anyway, it was during our first salida that I concluded that cocksucking was almost totally foreign to her, if you can believe it. But, of course, she has probably gained the skills over the years by now, at least I would hope so. But, even to this day, I do not find her making the effort at cock sucking, certainly not to the extent of my "G" girl, who was a consumate cock sucking expert. Cock sucking in and of itself is not my favorite past time, and I did not engage in it much with my "G" girl, or with Cindy #1, but it does beat watching Jeapardy.

My "G" girl seemed to enjoy it a lot, where Cindy #1 seems a little less desireous of that activity. Cindy #1 and I did not engage in that acitivity last time. If I were to return, I would test the range of her skills just out of curiosity. I have not tested her skills in that department in probably five years. But, of course, I will probably not have the opportunity since I am retired.

Cindy #1 IS noticeably tighter than a very large percentage of the girls I have had on salida in the past, including my "G" girl. And, as an added bonus, I significantly prefer the way she screws in comparison to my "G" girl with respect to cowgirl. But, I significantly prefer my "G" girl in the missionary position.

But, the bottom line to all this "preference" criteria, something most of you will not understand, and the thing that distinquishes all my GFE girls, is their attitude. It has to do with the "starfish" syndrome. The girls that I prefer are consumate "responders" to stimuli...the opposite of starfish. That is what I enjoy the most about my girls, along with the carino that results from their desire for kissing, hugging, maybe some oral, etc...But, in addition, it is the getting to know them as people that escelates the GFE from standard to hi-bred GFE. Most of you will never understand it. But, I truly believe that the female psyche lends itself to this kind of familiarity, and that through it, the GFE can be significantly enhanced. Anyway, that's my theory on it. Your mileage may vary.

If the girl responds, both physically, and with affection, and including she demonstrating and aire of unique familiarity, familiarity where the pretenses are dropped, and the true person reveals themselves with some genuineness, then she is placed on the "approved provider" list. Cindy #1 responds where so many others do not, or are simply mediocre, too sensitive here, too sensitive there, too ticklish here, too ticklish there, too many pretenses, too stiff, too formal, not relaxed, whatever...I know it sounds that I am overly demanding, having criteria that no person can live up to, but the right girls are out there. It's just that they're sometimes difficult to find, and frankly, they are sufficiently unique in Monterrey, that finding them is quite a lot of effort.

Sure, Cindy #1 was hotter when she was younger, but she did not try as hard then as she does with me now. She still has a pretty hot body, and our time together is more pleasant. We are comfortable with each other...very comfortable. Actually, her boobs are better than they have ever been. She and I have a long history. I believe that serves me well at this juncture, a girl getting older, feeling her age, seeing a much dimmer future as she continues to age, and my being and old friend, a client for many years, a person of comfort to her now. So, there are some things motivating her in my favor with respect to GFE. She delivers the GFE, and were I to revisit, which is NOT likely, I would probably see her again.

Is the carino aspect just chemistry, or is it the girl? Who knows...I have never quite figured that one out. Some girls are better than others at it. And, if you really research it, you'll find that if you canvas a sampling of mongers about one girl in particular, you will get a widely varied range of opinions as to their performance levels, and especially as to the monger's individual satisfaction level. That's why I always contended that my "G" girl was unique to me, just as she would be unique to others with respect to their preferences and satisfaction level. Always, your mileage may vary. But, her uniqueness with respect to her meeting all my criteria made her absolutely loveable.

My "G" girl filled the time so nicely. To find a replacement that will spend the time willingly, and in exchange for disproportionately small amounts of money, would be almost impossible. I enjoyed her company, not just because of the sex she delivered, which was fantastic, but because I enjoyed knowing her as a person of very special qualities, qualities that have nothing to do whatsoever with sex, or mongering, etc...and in that I am truly sincere.

I got to know her intimately over the course of the entire year, and I do not mean that sexually. Whether she was disengeous with me or not with respect to her profession really doesn't matter. She revealed a lot of herself to me, and I am convinced that her giving more than I bargained for is what lead to the hi-bred GFE. It was a direct result of my feeling so completely satisfied. That is where the "love" originates. Complete and total satisfaction is a strong motivator to having emotional bonds to certain girls. It is also the source of my regret now, that I will not know her in the future, and I do not mean sexually. Sex is easily available in Monterrey. It is all the other that is more illusive.

I chose to spend a lot of time with her, escelating the GFE to a point where it would perpetuate itself into future trips of equal quality. I never dreamed it would last a year. But, in perpetuating the hi-bred GFE with her, I also fell into the abis, getting to know her beyond even the intimacy that is a part of sex. That is the loss I feel now, that a person whose personality I knew so well is no longer a person I will know in the future. It's kind of like someone died...how sad. But, were I to revisit Monterrey, I would simply pick up where I left off, continuing the search.

See, you are damned if you do, and damned if you don't when you limit your activities to just one girl, and especially when you engage in playing the game the way I do, getting to know them on a deeper, sincere level. One can almost never achieve true perfection in one girl, almost never.

That is why I have always told you, Carlos, MJ, and WastedG, that you have to expand your other options, but you just won't listen :D

But, please, do not underestimate me. I, even now, already have other options arranged for. But, in my heart of hearts, I know they will not deliver the goods in the uniquely familiar way of my "G" girl, in the same way as my "G" girl met my needs.

After coming off such an intensive experience, I am concerned that I would be too saddened by the sub-standard levels of comparative performance to really enjoy it, even if her replacements are GFE quality. And it occurs to me that with all the down time, the loneliness without my "G" girl to fill the time, or a least a comparable substitute, I would find myself too melancholy to spend more than a day or two in Monterrey, especially when I realize that it takes days upon days to canvas the clubs to find an acceptable girl for GFE. Then, to achieve hi-bred GFE, it takes weeks of continually charming them. It is a long, arduous process, one not for the faint of heart, and certainly one not for those that are impatiently wanting only sexual gratification and nothing more.

Carlos is a wonderful host, arranging for the comradre and fraternization between friends in the clubs, doing so as often as he possibly can, helping to fill the down time. He is a wonderful friend and companion, not only to me, but to the many that have visited Monterrey. You all know how giving he is. But, to have to experience the down times without my "G" girl to comfort me, to entertain me, teach me more Spanish, talk to me, not even considering the sex part of it, it just seems like it would be somewhat difficult to endure her missing from the picture. So, for me, I believe I am probably better off here at home, where I have my wife, truly my best friend, to comfort me. I miss my "G" girl dearly, but to revisit Monterrey without her being there for me is simply too painful a prospect to contemplate right now. Hence, retirement is my only option. She will not talk to me.

Member #3453

10-18-07, 02:15

Well, it's a moot point at this juncture regarding Cindy #1 and my traveling to MTY in order to see her. As much as she pleased me last time, I would never return to MTY for the likes of her. You are right about her mood swings, and her potential volatility. In that, I agree with you.

But, here is my frustration, and why I am remaining in retirement...

What other options do I have if, for example, I find a girl as nice as my "G" girl, and all I have to look forward to are the inevitable changes in them. The nutty behavior. What would I want with that shit?

Because, literally they are all crazy...Take a look at "V" from the Harem, and all her baggage, Cindy #1, Angry Girl and her psycho reactions that were much the same as my "G" girl's, and now my "G" girl, and her seemingly inexplicable reaction to me after I gave her the option to gracefully withdraw from our arrangement, no hard feelings. She begged over two months ago to stay in the scenario we had arranged. Hell, I have only been back twice to see her since the both of us had those discussions about my offering to end it with her. I told her we could end it on good terms, I could just as easily be a client instead of needing the GFE. We would have parted on good terms, under terms where she would still realize my income, but I would have been free to play the field. She literally begged me to stay with our arrangement.

If I am merely a client to her, why then would she completely cut all ties over something that must be as ridiculously trivial to her as my bar fining another girl. Why would she care??? In one breath she tells me she must earn money, that she needs to work, but that she doesn't want my money, even when my money probably exceeds her nightly income working 8-9 hours with all the MFs in the bar. I treat her like a queen when she is with me, and her preference to be with me is so obviously exhibited by her willingness to stay by my side 8-12 hours a day. I do not understand it. It makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.

And then there are girls like "N" and "J" at Prestige...girls that promise the moon but deliver nothing. Why would I want to subject myself to that, and spend ridiculous sums of money on them in the bars.

Maybe MJ is right. Maybe I need to cultivate some salida action with some nice MP girls, ones that don't get asked out much, girls that deliver the goods on site in the MPs as their normal work regimen, but girls that would like to have a nice Gringo pay some special attention to them on the outside. Most of the MP girls are a little less arrogant as well. Because, literally, I believe that the SC girls have an arrogance lately that is making the MTY venue significantly less enjoyable. Plus the hourly wage of an MP girl is going to be a lot less that a SC girl. Oh, forget it...I am not going to fall in the trap, spend another $1000 bucks to travel to MTY, just to be run through the ringer, especially after I treat these girls as nicely as I do.

Frankly, in all seriousness, I will miss clubbing with you and mis amigos, but the girls are starting to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off, if you already haven't noticed.

It occurs to me that if these girls continue to react to my patronage with such inexplicable behaviors, then there is simply no hope in site. And, if what I have with them is not "patronage," or a client relationship, but something else, something that trascends P4P, then it occurs to me that I am emotionally ill equipped to deal with that something else.

You may have time on the ground in MTY to deal with these girls and their idiosyncrasies, but it costs me literally about $350 a day, including travel cost to endure all the BS. I am growing very weary dealing with these scenarios, attempting to logically understand them, but failing to fully comprehend their abuse reactions. I can go to other venues, spend half the amount per day, and have total contentment.

I wish I could come to MTY and have less aggravation. I prefer MTY, I prefer Mexican girls, but....WTF, they are making it very difficult for me to want to return? And, right now, my "G" girl is the very worst offender of them all, even compared to Cindy #1 back in the day.

I am totally confused by these crazy girls...Their business acumen, if in fact they have any business acumen at all, is insane, and that's being generous. Nevermind the business acumen of the clubs. I could tolerate that. It's the girls that drive me nuts.

I've decided that I will simply stay away from them and preserve my sanity, or what's left of it. They have literally forced me into retirement...They just don't get it, nor do they care, and that is the issue at hand. In other venues where the supply and demand curves are less preditory with respect to the girl's attitudes, you get a much better bang for the buck, and all the genuine GFE you can stand.

I don't say that MTY, or Mexico, can't be a fun and rewarding environment if you live there. But, literally, as a visiting Gringo, even with all the experience I have there, the cost in time and money to bring everything to fruition with respect to GFE is just too prohibitive. It's a huge shame because I prefer to be there compared to all other places.

USB says: "That is why I have always told you, Carlos, MJ, and WastedG, that you have to expand your other options, but you just won't listen"

We don't have in our manifest crazy girls... well, Wasted does but he already purged his list.
My options are far safer and more emotional stable than Cindy #1.

There is one thing you keep failing to understand: you don't have the capacity to control Cindy #1. She does whatever she wants with you.
She is starting to control you again, and is reeling you back.
You don't know her kind, the capacity within her to emotionaly hurt people.
And you are very vulnerable to that.
Believe me, with girls like her you have to be violent and agresive... believe me you are none.
Girls like her mess up your private and personal life, which she did and it hit you hard.

Mill Just

10-18-07, 07:14

Maybe MJ is right. Maybe I need to cultivate some salida action with some nice MP girls, ones that don't get asked out much, girls that deliver the goods on site in the MPs as their normal work regimen, but girls that would like to have a nice Gringo pay some special attention to them on the outside. Most of the MP girls are a little less arrogant as well. Because, literally, I believe that the SC girls have an arrogance lately that is making the MTY venue significantly less enjoyable.

I still insist that anyone going to a strip club to find a nice, decent girl with a tender heart is waaaayy off base. Just think about it: You have these hot girls being drooled over all day, having money tossed at them, working in an atmosphere that only exists to suck up as much money from the customer as possible. They eventually become sharks, predators looking to get whatever they can by any means possible. How can you expect these girls to act in any other way?

MP chicas and escorts, on the other hand work for a flat fee. Plus most are just not as seasoned as the old pro strippers and don't have that mercenary instinct. They are more likely to have "real" instincts and reactions.

Selection of MP chicas and escorts may be a problem in MTY and I don't blame anyone for insisting on top quality chicas for their money. I sure as hell wouldn't accept any pigs or old ladies. Here in Morelia, at least, the escort scene is huge, economical and with a nice selection of hotties. And in the MP realm, there isn't all that much, but I have found a nice little MP that delivers in beauty as well as service.

I'm sure that MTY, being as large as it is, has equally attractive alternatives to the strip clubs.

Finding a nice, earnest girl in a strip club is an almost impossible endeavor, like finding an Ann Coulter Fan Club member at the Soul Train Awards. I'm sure there are nice chicas ready to be plucked everywhere, but who needs the wasted time and money in finding her? That's why I say that no stupid strip club manager, ambivolent stripper or snakey waiter will ever be able to count on my money again. I would much rather hand my cash over to nice, humble chica who actually appreciates me and my hard-earned Sor Juanas.

MonterreyDude

10-18-07, 07:50

Let me point out that I have been through several of your girls before and after I met you, my friend:

Cindy #2 of Extasis... I got rid of her the moment I learned she offered no sex, which was on the second session.

Angry Girl... YES Angry Girl. I took her up once and that once was enough not to consider her again. I totally forgot I had her at a privado once... the experience with her was so awful, I never repeated.

V girl at the Harem: yes, her baggage is heavy. But still, she is a nice girl I always say hello too. Strangely enough you got rid of her in the same amount of time I did... QUICKLY.

It took you AGES to get rid of Cindy #2. She dominated you everytime she had you at arms lenght. don't tell me "no"... If she apears in front of you just this instant, you'll melt in her hands.

You made up with Angry Girl... up to now, I just don't know why you wasted so much time desiring to have her back, when right now she is only a whiter shade of pale of the psycho girl you had fun with.

And this USB quote:

"What other options do I have if, for example, I find a girl as nice as my "G" girl, and all I have to look forward to are the inevitable changes in them. The nutty behavior. What would I want with that shit?"

Do what Porker told you and it seems you totally forgotten: Enjoy while the ride lasts.... ENJOY!!!! NOT SUFFER!!!!!

And if the next goes in less than 2 month, go for the other one, and the next and so on.

You know something? the girl at the Casino you met last???? she is leaving to a new club. Just by luck I went today and she told me she was moving to another one.
Briefly, that is the beggining of the end of her carreer.
For me that is the end of ONE ROLLER COASTER RIDE.... am just a few days away to start lining up for the next one. AND if I don't like the next roller coaster, I will go to the next....
And if I get bored of the attractions offered at Disneyland, I will skip to Magic Mountain and see what new.
Tons of options....

Well, it's a moot point at this juncture regarding Cindy #1 and my traveling to MTY in order to see her. As much as she pleased me last time, I would never return to MTY for the likes of her. You are right about her mood swings, and her potential volatility. In that, I agree with you.

But, here is my frustration, and why I am remaining in retirement...

What other options do I have if, for example, I find a girl as nice as my "G" girl, and all I have to look forward to are the inevitable changes in them. The nutty behavior. What would I want with that shit?

Because, literally they are all crazy...Take a look at "V" from the Harem, and all her baggage, Cindy #1, Angry Girl and her psycho reactions that were much the same as my "G" girl's, and now my "G" girl, and her seemingly inexplicable reaction to me after I gave her the option to gracefully withdraw from our arrangement, no hard feelings. She begged over two months ago to stay in the scenario we had arranged. Hell, I have only been back twice to see her since the both of us had those discussions about my offering to end it with her. I told her we could end it on good terms, I could just as easily be a client instead of needing the GFE. We would have parted on good terms, under terms where she would still realize my income, but I would have been free to play the field. She literally begged me to stay with our arrangement.

If I am merely a client to her, why then would she completely cut all ties over something that must be as ridiculously trivial to her as my bar fining another girl. Why would she care??? In one breath she tells me she must earn money, that she needs to work, but that she doesn't want my money, even when my money probably exceeds her nightly income working 8-9 hours with all the MFs in the bar. I treat her like a queen when she is with me, and her preference to be with me is so obviously exhibited by her willingness to stay by my side 8-12 hours a day. I do not understand it. It makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.

And then there are girls like "N" and "J" at Prestige...girls that promise the moon but deliver nothing. Why would I want to subject myself to that, and spend ridiculous sums of money on them in the bars.

Maybe MJ is right. Maybe I need to cultivate some salida action with some nice MP girls, ones that don't get asked out much, girls that deliver the goods on site in the MPs as their normal work regimen, but girls that would like to have a nice Gringo pay some special attention to them on the outside. Most of the MP girls are a little less arrogant as well. Because, literally, I believe that the SC girls have an arrogance lately that is making the MTY venue significantly less enjoyable. Plus the hourly wage of an MP girl is going to be a lot less that a SC girl. Oh, forget it...I am not going to fall in the trap, spend another $1000 bucks to travel to MTY, just to be run through the ringer, especially after I treat these girls as nicely as I do.

Frankly, in all seriousness, I will miss clubbing with you and mis amigos, but the girls are starting to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off, if you already haven't noticed.

It occurs to me that if these girls continue to react to my patronage with such inexplicable behaviors, then there is simply no hope in site. And, if what I have with them is not "patronage," or a client relationship, but something else, something that trascends P4P, then it occurs to me that I am emotionally ill equipped to deal with that something else.

You may have time on the ground in MTY to deal with these girls and their idiosyncrasies, but it costs me literally about $350 a day, including travel cost to endure all the BS. I am growing very weary dealing with these scenarios, attempting to logically understand them, but failing to fully comprehend their abuse reactions. I can go to other venues, spend half the amount per day, and have total contentment.

I wish I could come to MTY and have less aggravation. I prefer MTY, I prefer Mexican girls, but....WTF, they are making it very difficult for me to want to return? And, right now, my "G" girl is the very worst offender of them all, even compared to Cindy #1 back in the day.

I am totally confused by these crazy girls...Their business acumen, if in fact they have any business acumen at all, is insane, and that's being generous. Nevermind the business acumen of the clubs. I could tolerate that. It's the girls that drive me nuts.

I've decided that I will simply stay away from them and preserve my sanity, or what's left of it. They have literally forced me into retirement...They just don't get it, nor do they care, and that is the issue at hand. In other venues where the supply and demand curves are less preditory with respect to the girl's attitudes, you get a much better bang for the buck, and all the genuine GFE you can stand.

I don't say that MTY, or Mexico, can't be a fun and rewarding environment if you live there. But, literally, as a visiting Gringo, even with all the experience I have there, the cost in time and money to bring everything to fruition with respect to GFE is just too prohibitive. It's a huge shame because I prefer to be there compared to all other places.

MonterreyDude

10-18-07, 08:23

USB says: "And then there are girls like "N" and "J" at Prestige...girls that promise the moon but deliver nothing. Why would I want to subject myself to that, and spend ridiculous sums of money on them in the bars."

J... I told you MANY TIMES she is married and she does not see customers of the premises of the Prestige.
Why is it you opt to act as if not forwarned???
This is totally weird...
(I know she told you that she is not married... but what the hell, who knows best???)

N... I told you she sat with me and we talked that she was a little irked by your persistance of seeing her out. She told you her reasons why she was supposed to be discrete, she told you she was starting in the business, she was new in Monterrey and you payed no heed to her pleas: No touristing around, no lunch... just sex.
(Touristing around = llevarme de paseo... that´s what she said).

USB says: "Maybe MJ is right. Maybe I need to cultivate some salida action with some nice MP girls"

Nice Mp girls, the kind you like, are in the MPs that charge 90 dlls and way up.

USB says: "Most of the MP girls are a little less arrogant as well."

You are right, but if you think that the SC girls work with their shields up, just wait till you deal with an MP girl.

USB say: "They have literally forced me into retirement...They just don't get it, nor do they care, and that is the issue at hand. In other venues where the supply and demand curves are less preditory with respect to the girl's attitudes, you get a much better bang for the buck, and all the genuine GFE you can stand."

You forced yourself into retirement. The girls didn't just appear at your hotel with pitchforks and torches.
"They just don't get it"... don't get what???
Another Freudian slip USB. You blame all on them.
and "... all the genuine GFE you can stand.".... Genuine??? how can you afirm "genuine" if you never tested it to the test of time???

Well, it's a moot point at this juncture regarding Cindy #1 and my traveling to MTY in order to see her. As much as she pleased me last time, I would never return to MTY for the likes of her. You are right about her mood swings, and her potential volatility. In that, I agree with you.

But, here is my frustration, and why I am remaining in retirement...

What other options do I have if, for example, I find a girl as nice as my "G" girl, and all I have to look forward to are the inevitable changes in them. The nutty behavior. What would I want with that shit?

Because, literally they are all crazy...Take a look at "V" from the Harem, and all her baggage, Cindy #1, Angry Girl and her psycho reactions that were much the same as my "G" girl's, and now my "G" girl, and her seemingly inexplicable reaction to me after I gave her the option to gracefully withdraw from our arrangement, no hard feelings. She begged over two months ago to stay in the scenario we had arranged. Hell, I have only been back twice to see her since the both of us had those discussions about my offering to end it with her. I told her we could end it on good terms, I could just as easily be a client instead of needing the GFE. We would have parted on good terms, under terms where she would still realize my income, but I would have been free to play the field. She literally begged me to stay with our arrangement.

If I am merely a client to her, why then would she completely cut all ties over something that must be as ridiculously trivial to her as my bar fining another girl. Why would she care??? In one breath she tells me she must earn money, that she needs to work, but that she doesn't want my money, even when my money probably exceeds her nightly income working 8-9 hours with all the MFs in the bar. I treat her like a queen when she is with me, and her preference to be with me is so obviously exhibited by her willingness to stay by my side 8-12 hours a day. I do not understand it. It makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.

And then there are girls like "N" and "J" at Prestige...girls that promise the moon but deliver nothing. Why would I want to subject myself to that, and spend ridiculous sums of money on them in the bars.

Maybe MJ is right. Maybe I need to cultivate some salida action with some nice MP girls, ones that don't get asked out much, girls that deliver the goods on site in the MPs as their normal work regimen, but girls that would like to have a nice Gringo pay some special attention to them on the outside. Most of the MP girls are a little less arrogant as well. Because, literally, I believe that the SC girls have an arrogance lately that is making the MTY venue significantly less enjoyable. Plus the hourly wage of an MP girl is going to be a lot less that a SC girl. Oh, forget it...I am not going to fall in the trap, spend another $1000 bucks to travel to MTY, just to be run through the ringer, especially after I treat these girls as nicely as I do.

Frankly, in all seriousness, I will miss clubbing with you and mis amigos, but the girls are starting to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off, if you already haven't noticed.

It occurs to me that if these girls continue to react to my patronage with such inexplicable behaviors, then there is simply no hope in site. And, if what I have with them is not "patronage," or a client relationship, but something else, something that trascends P4P, then it occurs to me that I am emotionally ill equipped to deal with that something else.

You may have time on the ground in MTY to deal with these girls and their idiosyncrasies, but it costs me literally about $350 a day, including travel cost to endure all the BS. I am growing very weary dealing with these scenarios, attempting to logically understand them, but failing to fully comprehend their abuse reactions. I can go to other venues, spend half the amount per day, and have total contentment.

I wish I could come to MTY and have less aggravation. I prefer MTY, I prefer Mexican girls, but....WTF, they are making it very difficult for me to want to return? And, right now, my "G" girl is the very worst offender of them all, even compared to Cindy #1 back in the day.

I am totally confused by these crazy girls...Their business acumen, if in fact they have any business acumen at all, is insane, and that's being generous. Nevermind the business acumen of the clubs. I could tolerate that. It's the girls that drive me nuts.

I've decided that I will simply stay away from them and preserve my sanity, or what's left of it. They have literally forced me into retirement...They just don't get it, nor do they care, and that is the issue at hand. In other venues where the supply and demand curves are less preditory with respect to the girl's attitudes, you get a much better bang for the buck, and all the genuine GFE you can stand.

I don't say that MTY, or Mexico, can't be a fun and rewarding environment if you live there. But, literally, as a visiting Gringo, even with all the experience I have there, the cost in time and money to bring everything to fruition with respect to GFE is just too prohibitive. It's a huge shame because I prefer to be there compared to all other places.

Member #3453

10-19-07, 03:03

"N" said "Touristing around = llevarme de paseo???" I never heard her say that. She never said it to me. What is the literal translation of that? Does that mean she will meet me at my hotel? If you are talking to her, find out her true intentions. Find out for me if she is just scamming me, or if she will IN FACT meet me...I sent her a few texts on my US GO phone, but they kicked back to me, like they wouldn't go through to the number she gave me. But, that doesn't make sense because we called each other when I was there, and her number works fine. It's in my Mexico phone, where I retrieved it for use in the Go phone.

"N" told me twice that she was going to meet me for breakfast, but never called, never showed, and it happened twice. If you're telling me that she WILL meet me, and that she is not just scamming my like "J" did, all the time claiming she would meet me, when in reality she never shows up, obviously just scamming drinks, then I "MAY" consider a return visit....NOTICE, I said "MAY." Because, literally, the girls of the Prestige have NEVER, EVER, given me their word and actually kept to it. Of course, if I'm already there, I will probably waste some time with her, but make no mistake, I consider it a total waste, which will weigh heavily on my mind when making a decision to return, unless she is serious about some action outside the club.

Carlos says, "Genuine??? how can you afirm "genuine" if you never tested it to the test of time???"

That is your misunderstanding. In other venues, there is NO TEST OF TIME necessary. GFE is simply part of the experience from the beginning. You don't have to work at it. That is what differentiates MTY from other venues, that and price.

USB says: "And then there are girls like "N" and "J" at Prestige...girls that promise the moon but deliver nothing. Why would I want to subject myself to that, and spend ridiculous sums of money on them in the bars."

J... I told you MANY TIMES she is married and she does not see customers of the premises of the Prestige.
Why is it you opt to act as if not forwarned???
This is totally weird...
(I know she told you that she is not married... but what the hell, who knows best???)

N... I told you she sat with me and we talked that she was a little irked by your persistance of seeing her out. She told you her reasons why she was supposed to be discrete, she told you she was starting in the business, she was new in Monterrey and you payed no heed to her pleas: No touristing around, no lunch... just sex.
(Touristing around = llevarme de paseo... that´s what she said).

USB says: "Maybe MJ is right. Maybe I need to cultivate some salida action with some nice MP girls"

Nice Mp girls, the kind you like, are in the MPs that charge 90 dlls and way up.

USB says: "Most of the MP girls are a little less arrogant as well."

You are right, but if you think that the SC girls work with their shields up, just wait till you deal with an MP girl.

USB say: "They have literally forced me into retirement...They just don't get it, nor do they care, and that is the issue at hand. In other venues where the supply and demand curves are less preditory with respect to the girl's attitudes, you get a much better bang for the buck, and all the genuine GFE you can stand."

You forced yourself into retirement. The girls didn't just appear at your hotel with pitchforks and torches.
"They just don't get it"... don't get what???
Another Freudian slip USB. You blame all on them.
and "... all the genuine GFE you can stand.".... Genuine??? how can you afirm "genuine" if you never tested it to the test of time???

MonterreyDude

10-19-07, 08:35

For starters let me tell you a tidbit of news that landed today at the Pasarelas.
You know what your friend Cindy #1 did to get kicked out of the club?
She carved a girl with a pair of scissors. I saw the girl and I saw the markings. She was so spaced out she didn't have the strenght to push them further in... LUCKLY!!!

And am going to be frank (cause am angry): do you realize how stupid you are being around that stupid crazy girl???
Do you feel lucky now?

And the J girl was never one of your options, you just kept wasting time with her.
The N girl is still a valid choice, but am not just going to sit down with her and deal a salida with her, cause I already told ALL the girls you are not coming back.

It's up to you to come back, USB reinvented, and start from scratch and start impressing all those little ho's....

"N" said "Touristing around = llevarme de paseo???" I never heard her say that. She never said it to me. What is the literal translation of that? Does that mean she will meet me at my hotel? If you are talking to her, find out her true intentions. Find out for me if she is just scamming me, or if she will IN FACT meet me...I sent her a few texts on my US GO phone, but they kicked back to me, like they wouldn't go through to the number she gave me. But, that doesn't make sense because we called each other when I was there, and her number works fine. It's in my Mexico phone, where I retrieved it for use in the Go phone.

"N" told me twice that she was going to meet me for breakfast, but never called, never showed, and it happened twice. If you're telling me that she WILL meet me, and that she is not just scamming my like "J" did, all the time claiming she would meet me, when in reality she never shows up, obviously just scamming drinks, then I "MAY" consider a return visit....NOTICE, I said "MAY." Because, literally, the girls of the Prestige have NEVER, EVER, given me their word and actually kept to it. Of course, if I'm already there, I will probably waste some time with her, but make no mistake, I consider it a total waste, which will weigh heavily on my mind when making a decision to return, unless she is serious about some action outside the club.

Carlos says, "Genuine??? how can you afirm "genuine" if you never tested it to the test of time???"

That is your misunderstanding. In other venues, there is NO TEST OF TIME necessary. GFE is simply part of the experience from the beginning. You don't have to work at it. That is what differentiates MTY from other venues, that and price.

Mill Just

10-19-07, 10:35

This is the sad ending to a tragic tale...Either Uno will be murdered by year's end or he will take his own life from the depression caused by the loss of his "G" Girl...either way, Uno's a Dead Man Walking...RIP (Rest in Panocha)

For starters let me tell you a tidbit of news that landed today at the Pasarelas.
You know what your friend Cindy #1 did to get kicked out of the club?
She carved a girl with a pair of scissors. I saw the girl and I saw the markings. She was so spaced out she didn't have the strenght to push them further in... LUCKLY!!!

And am going to be frank (cause am angry): do you realize how stupid you are being around that stupid crazy girl???
Do you feel lucky now?

And the J girl was never one of your options, you just kept wasting time with her.
The N girl is still a valid choice, but am not just going to sit down with her and deal a salida with her, cause I already told ALL the girls you are not coming back.

It's up to you to come back, USB reinvented, and start from scratch and start impressing all those little ho's....

Member #3453

10-19-07, 11:32

No, I admit that Cindy #1 can certainly be a volatile Bittttch. I realize that. But, I also realize how good she can be in the sack. She has never, ever been threatening to me. If she wants to kill off her competition, provided she does not miss them, and stab me instead...YIKES!!!!...then, that is kind of flattering, if nothing more than to confirm that I, and others, are valued customers she is willing to kill for, right? :D Now that is commitment!!! :D

Seriously, I know she is not the best of choices, but she delivers the goods, where many others do not. I am being facetious here, but I understand your point, and probably agree with you, all kidding aside. But, again, you need not worry. I am 1000 miles from her, and never to be in her presence again, RETIRED remember?. So, I am safe, unless of course she learns how to swim.

As for any motivation I might have to return, it is only going to be predicated on hearing enough back from you that indicates I will not be wasting my money on "N."

Honestly, Carlos, in all seriousness, as MJ has articulated about the club scene in Morelia, it is very similiar in Monterrey as well. The cost of romancing these girls, especially the ones that are making huge BS promises, and not delivering anything, that is the problem. You have the time to meter your attentions to them, and without the cost of travel. So, for you, it makes some sense to do what you do.

I have already been stood-up by "N" a few times. I would be very disappointed to spend 10,000 pesos to return, just on travel expenses alone, and get nothing but to sit with her in the booth, and buy her 5-6 drinks. I realize what you're saying about "J" and I accept that, mostly because she is proving your point by not showing up, and promising constantly to do otherwise, not to mention her constant insistence that she is NOT married. Remember, she wanted me to point out the "girl" that I thought told me such things about her, but I did not rat you out. You are now safe since I am retired.

I would have retired a year ago had my "G" girl not delivered the goods, and to a unbelievable GFE compared to my regular experiences in Monterrey. My "G" Girl, IMHO, has changed, morphed into a mercenary, something she was not before. And, I sensed it in her with the recent changes in her physically.

So, I have just decided that without that same degree of quality to rely upon if I were to return, there just isn't the justification to spend 10,000 pesos on travel, and another 8000-10,000 pesos on fun. Please consider what you are asking...to spend 20,000 pesos on the likelihood that I will be disappointed compared to the high I've just come off of with "G" girl.

I just don't want to return, only to verify my suspicions that I would be disappointed. I can spend 20000 pesos on the home front on my wife, and get tons, and tons of appreciation. So, the girls are competing with her.

And, consider this, to spend 20,000 pesos, that's 20,000 pesos a month for me, the equivalent of $2000US on a local ho, or series of favored hos, each and every month??? Well, I expect that $2000US would yield an unbelievable series of sessions with J-Lo quality girls, and without my having to deal with the airlines, an absolute pain in the ASS. It is really that simple. Our local hos would consider the advantages of having a regular paying client such as I, to the tune of 20,000 pesos per month, to be quite a distinctive client, and not just some doooofus, like the girls of MTY apparently consider me to be.

I don't want girls to know my personal circumstances at home, but the reality is, I am happier here with the companionship of my wife, when all I can expect in MTY is a peck on the check, and to part with the cost of 5-6 drinks, and a total of 20,000 pesos for exactly the same service I could get right here were I to patronize our local girls. We have newspapers her that are similiar to El Sol, and the girls advertising there are numerous, twenty years old, etc...Why should I give it to the airlines when the girls will not put out on MTY?

You must realize we have girls here you know, girls that will put out quite well for the same kind of money that I regular drop in MTY. Why would I want to return to those girls in MTY when I WILL get total and complete satisfaction with a US escort, without all the travel headaches, without the time away from the job, without putting my wife through the loneliness she endures when I am gone for a week at a time?

You see, the girls don't consider that it cost me big money just to sit with them, and get nothing in return. They don't care, but I bet it has never been specifically spelled out to them in fianancial terms so they at least have an understanding of my dilemma. My "G" girl understood it, and for a while, she appreciated her time with me. She just morphed into something else, something that no longer appreciates me, not even when the tap is turned on...it is that simple.

Most of my comments on ISG are right brain comments. Someday, I will comment with left brain commentary, and all will be shocked. This theory of the structure and functions of the mind suggests that the two different sides of the brain control two different "modes" of thinking. It also suggests that each of us prefers one mode over the other.

Experimentation has shown that the two different sides, or hemispheres, of the brain are responsible for different manners of thinking. The following table illustrates the differences between left-brain and right-brain thinking:

LEFT BRAIN
Logical
Sequential
Rational
Analytical
Objective
Looks at parts

RIGHT BRAIN
Random
Intuitive
Holistic
Synthesizing
Subjective
Looks at wholes

I am venturing into left brain commentary here. You just never hear me say it on ISG because my right brain is always in high gear when I am in Monterrey or commenting on ISG. But, make no mistake, I conduct my life here in the States with very little right brain folly, and when I am engaged in contemplative analysis of the events, such as my current analysis of my "G" girl in private, my left brain is totally in control of my thought processes. But, in MTY, and within the creative mind, for the purposes of detailing my emotions, my right brain dominates my left brain, thereby creating the text you regularly encounter on ISG, and it is often what is interpreted by many as naivete.

So, lets lapse into some left brain analysis...

The "left brain" question the girls need to consider is why a man that has access to women at home, but not only at home, but also across the entire world, just like Porker enjoys the game, would want to waste their time and money in the clubs of Monterrey. Porker is right about it. If the girls think they can just run a game on some of us, and not deliver, then they have lost my attention, Porker's attention, everybody's attention, at least everybody that can get results elsewhere, and for less or an equal amount of money.

They will no longer have a "regular" customer with money to support them in the clubs, as I have, even if ever so slight in comparison to some, if they can't consider the totality of my circumstances. I return regularly, and support certain girls with regularity. I know it doesn't compare to their sugar daddy contributors, but most of them act as though my patronage is important to them, and that they have very few sugar daddy contributors. Most of them act like they really don't have that many regular contributors. I don't think there are that many guys that frequent the clubs sufficiently to take care of the girls like they would prefer to be compensated, but yet they think like my regular patronage is not important to them at all, that my contributions to their longevity in the club is a pimple on the ass of " compra una copa."

But, of course, on the other hand, that has always been the problem, the supply of depraved Mexicanos that will throw money at them for nothing is so far in excess of the numbers of girls available for P4P in MTY, that the frustration level is very high when you compare other venues. Even in Morelia, MJ paints a different picture, where satisfaction is much more likely from the escort girls than the club girls.

Plus, when you tell me that you will not intervene to determine whether "N" or any other girls are serious about providing "service" in exchange for the money I have to spend to get there, you are simply revealing that you already know their true intentions, and that you yourself believe they are merely stringing me along...verdad?

I know you want some cookies, and that you will attempt any deception, much like the girls, to get me to return where there is a chocolate chip or two in it for you, your true commissions, but please...you must earn your keep and be of assistance to me in laying the ground work. The cost of doing so myself is simply too prohibitive to be worth the risk.

You are going to have to entice me back with facts, with actual believable commentary from the girls that pursuades me they are sincere in their claims to fuck me silly, and not with just some speculation about some "pie in the sky" scenario that, up to now, has not proven valid with respect to them delivering the goods.

I am just tired of the promises from them...And, frankly, I am tired of the treatment I get from girls that morph into what is presently represented in my "G" girl after treating them with such unbelievable benevolence, love, and affection. I just don't need the headaches. For the same amount of money, I can find other options right here in Mid-America.

For starters let me tell you a tidbit of news that landed today at the Pasarelas.
You know what your friend Cindy #1 did to get kicked out of the club?
She carved a girl with a pair of scissors. I saw the girl and I saw the markings. She was so spaced out she didn't have the strenght to push them further in... LUCKLY!!!

And am going to be frank (cause am angry): do you realize how stupid you are being around that stupid crazy girl???
Do you feel lucky now?

And the J girl was never one of your options, you just kept wasting time with her.
The N girl is still a valid choice, but am not just going to sit down with her and deal a salida with her, cause I already told ALL the girls you are not coming back.

It's up to you to come back, USB reinvented, and start from scratch and start impressing all those little ho's....

Member #3453

10-19-07, 12:51

This is the sad ending to a tragic tale...Either Uno will be murdered by year's end or he will take his own life from the depression caused by the loss of his "G" Girl...either way, Uno's a Dead Man Walking...RIP (Rest in Panocha)

Ok, I gotta tell ya...For all the onlooking lurking types, and I mean that with all due respect, as some of you know I was attempting to arrange a visit to Morelia to visit with MJ and sample the environment in Morelia. But, suffice it to say that I cancelled out, but with every intention of re-scheduling. I cancelled when Carlos couldn't make it, and due to my having to make two back to back trips were I to make the trip to Morelia, it was just too much. I am out of energy. I had originally thought that it would be cool if Carlos and I could simultaneously visit Morelia, but when Carlos was unable to go, I just decided, after MJ graciously suggesting that it may be too much, to postpone. Anyway, MJ and I have been PMing pretty regularly lately to coordinate things, and to express our mutual regrets at my postponement, along with my receiving very much appreciated commentary from him of a personal nature with respect to my melancholy over the demise of my GFE with my "G" girl.

Most recently, MJ commented that he regreted not getting to sample the cookies I am famous for supplying to the "FUCKIN' UNAPPRECIATIVE HOs" of Monterrey, and my dear friends Carlos, WastedG, Porker, RTW, Mr. L, my Mexicano Amigos from Carlos' Yahoo Group, etc...So, I replied telling him I would post something that really struck me funny with respect to the craving that most definitely exists for the cookies, something that is as valid a condition for those that are fortunate enough to have sampled them as anything you can imagine. They really do have an addictive quality, and I thoroughly enjoy making them available to mis amigos, and even to the damnedable FUCKIN hos.

With that vain in mind, I just felt compelled to relay a little story about my "Angry Girl" that relates directly to the cookies and illustrates the craving that is apparently quite alive and well in the cookie depraved of MTY.

Some may remember reading that I had occassion to reacquaint recently with Angry Girl. Prior to she going into the privados with me, she retrieved the cookies I had sent to her via Jarras the manager, from the DJ, who was holding them for safe keeping. First, I thought, "AG," you must be nuts, leaving something of such value with a frickin' loud assed DJ!!! But, he did not apparently touch them because there were still (2) two, count 'em, only two, the original two I had sent in the little zip lock bag anonymously through Jarras, the manager. I figured that by sending them via Jarras, she would accept them. Because, literally, for an entire year, she would not speak to me, not ONE word, and she would never, ever accept cookies, or dulces, from me as a jesture of reconciliation. But, after hearing from WastedG recently that she was possibly softening up, I decided to give it a try through Jarras.

Well, it worked, and she accepted them, Jarras telling me later that she said I was "very sweet." I had also noticed that she was facing me and looking me in the eye, smiling at me now. I was, frankly, quite puzzled by this new range of behavior from her, and I decided that something was definitely different. Anyway, I waited around the club for a while, trying to gage her demeanor, thinking that she was acting differently toward me.

So, as she was standing, waiting to go on stage to dance, I just passed by her, glancing in her direction, our eyes meeting. I noticed immediately a softened look in her eyes, and I almost had a coronary thrombosis when she actually uttered something...."Gracias," she said, looking me directly in the eyes. I was flabbergasted. I said "De nada..." :D thinking, uhmmmmm???, of course. Then, I asked her to go into the privados. Well, she said she had to dance, and I acted disappointed. But, I waited for her set to end, and eventually retrieved her from the steps as she came off stage, and up we went.

Make no mistake, I think I understand the source of her motivations as strictly gastrointestinal, but I was hoping to mend fences, and build upon our common love of cookies. Of course, at this juncture, I am retired with little reason to return to MTY, other than the comradre of mis amigos. But, at the time, I had decided that she might be worth rekindling the romance.

You see guys, just as Carlos commented that he disliked her attentions in the privados...I think he describing his experience with her as "disasterous," I have always contended that your mileage varies with these girls. With me, on salida, she is damned hot, giving me all the GFE responses I appreciate. So, it has everything to do with chemistry, etc...That is why I always say, to recommend a girl a bunch of mongers on the boards is a waste of time.

My "G" girl is another example. It is only going to be as good as she is motivated to be, and Angry Girl is the same way. Any that find any of the girls that I refer to on ISG, and actually sample them, will fiind them to possibly be average or even mediocre to poor. If the chemistry isn't there, the girls are going to seem just mediocre or average. It's that simple. So, why would any choose to commit to going on salida with them unless they determine their own chemistry level? You have to do your own research, and spend sufficient amount of time to gage their reactions. And, even then, I make a lot of mistaken selections. But, once in a while, the chemistry clicks, such as with "G" girl and Angry Girl.

But, at any rate, I considered that the potential session quality with Angry Girl would be just as good now as it was before, and I believed that were I to see her outside the club again, she would prove to be just as good as before. I realized at the time I would have to take is slowly, to wait for her to select me...because that, literally, is the secret. But, I don't plan to return, so it's really a moot point now.

So to resume my story...

We are sitting in the privados, and she asks what else is in my little air tight sealed locked container box, the one that I always use to maintain freshness, to keep them perfectly fresh in transport between the hotel and the clubs. I not only transport them in a hi-bred air tight container of signficant quality, but also maintain them in a high quality zip lock bag within the container. I go to a lot of effort to bring these to my "UNAPPRECIATIVE FUCKIN' HOS," (left brain), so I want to make sure they are as delectable in MTY as they are when they first come out of the oven in Los Estados Unidos.

Anyway, I opened the box, and showed her the dulces contained in the box, some skittles, toostie roll juniors, some Smarties, etc...and she scarfed some of them up, just a few, not all, but quite a few.

But, the thing that really caught her eye was the remaining bag of cookies, the cookies in the zip lock bag. There were still probably about 7 or 8 left in the bag within the sealed box. She exclaimed "COOOOKIES...!!!" You know, just like the Cookie Monster on Sesame Street...COOOOKIES, in that gutteral depraved voice....hahaha. It was priceless, and could not have been a better, more gratifying event.

Remember, she had only had a cookie two times in the last year, both times when Carlos had prevailed on me to give her one, she telling him to make sure I did not know it was for her. The second time, she had obtained one from him covertly when he took two, my believing they were both for him. The second time, she was so bent on making sure I did not get the satisfaction of seeing her with one of them, that she hid it close to her body, along the side of her leg as she walked pastme, ignoring me, not looking at me, but fully realizing I was there, just to make sure I would not notice she had it, but she still obviously chomping away like she needed it for a fix.

For a while, she was on drugs, and I believe the drugs were the source of her very mean and uncharacteristic behaviors. And, at that moment, I thought that it was as though she was as much hooked on the cookies as she was formerly on the drugs. As she chomped away at what was only her third opportunity to eat one over the course of an entire year, she told me about her drug problem, that she had finally licked it. I could tell that a metamorphisis had occurred in the personality of this girl. I could see it in the brightness of her eyes, and I could literally feel it in the gentleness of her manner toward me. She was once again, acting the same as when I had first found her two years ago.

Anyway, to continue the story, we are in the privados, she seeing that there are more cookies left in the container. After her excited exclamation, "COOOOKIES!!!," I asked if she would like a few more. She said, "Si, Gracias," and took all of the remaining bag...just like they were as much a fix for her as her apparently former habit.

I remember I used to give them to her to take home to her daughter. She used to tell me that her daughter loved them dearly. So, I assume they will be consumed by mother and daughter, and that they will savor them after having not tasted them for an entire year.

Too bad she does not realize that I will not be returning to MTY. They will at least miss the cookies, if not the man (right brain).

El Cabron 007

10-19-07, 18:13

Member #3453

10-19-07, 18:19

Not so fast MJ. You have yet to meet Bob to find out that he is so different in person than he is behind the keyboard.

He is a kid talking about his favorite candy and nothing more. It just so happened that this candy is a live and has a name. Bob just bit off a large part of his tongue and is crying from the pain.

If I want to have fun with him, I would tell him that I saw G-girl last night and she asked about him. She told me that she misses him. But I will not.

ha ha - No Bob. I did not see her. I'm just messing with you. I was too busy with, I think by now half, the girl at el infi

Wasted

Wasted, don't misunderstand MJs commentary, he is playng along with me. We have a little thing going behind the scenes....

As far as your seeing my Angel, as Gomer Pyle would say..."you are cruel, cruel, cruel...Shame, shame, shame..."

You have me accurately pegged Wasted...she is "my sweet."

I knew you would probably not have seen her because your time line doesn't jibe. You would have arrived relatively late last night, and you mentioned via the email that you had seen the night shift girls.

Do some reconnaoissance for me and find out what's going on down there. I want to see if she left town for TJ yet. If you see her, please tell her she is still my "Angel Verdad," in those exact same words. I am so misunderstood by her. You guys know it.

You see, you guys think I believe all is lost, but as Carlos once pointed out, she IS a ho. That is a very comforting reality. Maybe she will forgive me enough to take my money. If I ever get her alone again, it is all over for her. She simply can not resist, moooooo haaaaa hahahha haaaaa :D But, of course, my left brain says I am most definitely retired.

Member #3453

10-20-07, 01:48

This is the sad ending to a tragic tale...Either Uno will be murdered by year's end or he will take his own life from the depression caused by the loss of his "G" Girl...either way, Uno's a Dead Man Walking...RIP (Rest in Panocha)

I really liked that one MJ, RIP (Rest in Panocha), precisely the therapy I had in mind for the "G" girl blues...

Member #3453

10-20-07, 12:10

I promised a response to your post MJ. Your former post is one that I believe rings very, very true.

Mill Says: "I still insist that anyone going to a strip club to find a nice, decent girl with a tender heart is waaaayy off base. Just think about it: You have these hot girls being drooled over all day, having money tossed at them, working in an atmosphere that only exists to suck up as much money from the customer as possible. They eventually become sharks, predators looking to get whatever they can by any means possible. How can you expect these girls to act in any other way?"

This is precisely my own opionion as to my "G" girls evolution. But, I recall when I first met her, that I was of the opinion then that she possessed a hardened side to her personality. I remember thinking, and even during the last year with her, that her personality needed the "ego" boost of having men on the hook, but not just "men" per se, but Gringos, men from her forbidden class.

I always recognized this in her, and frankly, I believed that the "Gringo Factor," the possession of Gabachos was something that gave her a real ego boost, something that gave her self esteem, the ethnically outcast Mexican bar girl "interests" the personification(s) of her most deep seated dreams for social and financial status, to include romantic, emotional influence, something she can not typically possess legitimately in Mexico due to the cast system there.

Just as Carlos said of her, she would be a total failure in the high end clubs of Mexico due to her ethnic baggage, and appearance. Her motivation was to cultivate a "real" possession, emotionally and romantically, of a Gringo, or at least a person of higher social status than she, but to do so with verdad, and she had that goal in mind with me, I believe, and probably with as many others as she could. It was her compulsion.

By my identifying her emotional vulnerabilities, and playing to them, it proved extremely beneficial in getting me what I wanted initially, GFE, long-time, at a cheap price. I capitalizing on weaknesses in her own emotional makeup that I realized would allow me to enjoy her more fully, to enjoy her emotionally, like a real girlfriend, the ultimate hi-bred GFE, certainly much more than if I just bar fined her and "patronized" her under the standard circumstances of P4P.

So, my motives, while slightly different than hers, are of similiar origin in that I felt the need to possess her to prove something to myself, and to also capitalize on the intensity of the hi-bred GFE. Mine was a calculated tactic, the same as she used to achieve her desires.

I think the two of us worked a game on each other, a game that pandered to the deeper emotional needs that both of us had, as evidence by her willingness to remain with me for very, very long periods of time, for very little money, and to represent herself to me as a "regular" kind of girl that I, of course, knew she was not, intellectually. The game that started out, progressed beyond what I believe either of us expected to occur, and we developed an emotional bond that neither of us really ever believed would occur. That doesn't mean I am naive about her being a ho, or that I actually believed she was faithful. But, I do believe that she had a legitimate emotional connection to me that was atypical in P4P, and that it motivated her to treat me with signficantly more legitimate behaviors than I have ever experienced otherwise.

The "hardened" side of her is something I sensed initially when I bar fined her the first time in 2005, and it originally caused me to pass over her after the first salida, and to virtually ignore her for an entire year, as she made attempts to cultivate me, first as a client, and later as a romantic interest. I remember thinking that she just didn't really appeal to me then, and that she was just seemingly a little too pro to interest me as one of my "regular" girls. It was just something I sensed in her personality. Perhaps my instincts were initially correct with respect to certain aspects of the mercenary part of her personality, and I suppose that my initial perceptions were the most accurate of all.

But, when we talk of a person's true soul and personality, the reality is there are different sides to everyone. I saw sides of her personality that I fell in love with, and sides that bothered me a great deal, sides that made me realize the full extent of her flawed personality. That was the basis for my having pitty for her circumstances, and also the reason for my believing that she was worth salvaging, while simultaneously also knowing that the possibility of actually doing so was simply a fantasy, a wish for something different for her. Simultaneously, of course, I realized that it was not anything that I really believed would ever actually change in her as a result of my involvement and influence with her, but merely a hope that somehow things could be different for this one.

The reality is, within each of us, there are attributes that make us simultaneous "saints and sinners," things that are within all of us, to varying degrees, things that make us good and bad. I saw redeeming qualities in her on the one hand that made me "wish" things were different for her, and other aspects of her makeup that made me realize how far into the abis she had declined. And, even though I fully realized the ridiculous prospect that she would ever change, my wish was always the best for her in life. My optimism and soft heartedness toward her was a result of my own foolishness at getting too close to her.

My experience in life is that there is good and bad in everyone, good even in the worst criminal offenders, and bad even in the most well intentioned, and those with the purest of motives in life. I saw both sides of her makeup, and the good and bad in her personality, primarily because I got too close to her, just as I would see the same range of qualities in any girl I would get to know intimately, beyond just the sex act, good girl or bad.

Mill says: "Finding a nice, earnest girl in a strip club is an almost impossible endeavor. I'm sure there are nice chicas ready to be plucked everywhere, but who needs the wasted time and money in finding her?

I have come to this same conclusion after getting too close to my "G" girl. But, of course, it's a truth that I was always intellectually aware of. I suppose I am now at least a little more emotionally resolved to it as well. It is the getting too close to her, the knowing her intimately as a person, not the sexual part, that will trip you up everytime.

Of course, I was warned about this repeatedly by Carlos, WastedG, MJ, and countless others. But, I always fully realized the compulsion in my own personality, a compulsion to venture beyond the P4P experience, to cultivate something more meaningful than just the P4P experience. Perhaps the P4P experience in it's truest form has a tendency to bore me at this juncture, after so many years of it. Maybe it's an intellectual compulsion to penetrate them emotionally, and/or maybe it's an emotional one, but, either way, I've concluded that it's not a very productive one, and certainly not one that is for the faint of heart, having to endure the split in the end.

You are much better off being oblivious to the "real" lives of these girls, and as you all pointed out, most of them (all) are beyond help. If you are a sensitive person, one of compassion, a decent human being, the realities of their existences in life, and their decisions, their attitudes, their behaviors, it will tear you apart emotionally, and you will enjoy the hobby less as a result of learning the full depth of the tradegy and waste that is the reality within the lives of these girls.

The vividness of this realization, after having come off this most recent hi-bred GFE of monumental proportions, has me almost sick to my stomach knowing the full depth of their reality by getting too close to one of them. And, literally, it has me considering the merits of retirement from the hobby, if not for a short period of time, perhaps permenantly.

I am regularly cautioned that I "think" too much about it. It is a personality trait, the analytical aspect of my personality, that compels me to dwell on things that are ultimately causing me to re-think the hobby in general. I recal my "G" girl telling me that she can simply turn off her thoughts about anything. That for her, contemplating all she does, or dwelling on anything of any kind of convictional origin, is something she can very easily just ignore, siimply by turning off her brain. That is how she does her job. She does not think about it. There are times when the courage of her convictions get the better of her, times when she has to go to church, etc...But, for the most part, I believe most of these girls can very easily ignore what they do, and they do so without second thoughts. When she told me these things, it occurred to me that I wished it were that easy for me. Being an overly analytical, and contemplative personality is difficult within the context of P4P, and especially when you have my particular compulsion, to know them intimately as personalities.

So, with that end in mind, I have a different intellectual perspective on the hobby as a result of getting too close to my "G" girl, one that compels me now to simply use them for how they are intended to be used, to avoid getting too close to them, and that is my intended tactic for the future. But, I still fight this very strong compulsion.

I realize within my own personality the desire for something more with them, something very dangerous, something that is counter-productive and relatively painful, especially with these kinds of girls. As a result of this most recent trist with my "G" girl, the emotional bonding is something that I know is achievable with them at this juncture, and that serves to gratify my own ego, but it's also something that is dangerous, destructive, painful, etc...And "G" is not the first one. I have had a series of similiar, but varied, experiences just like her, some in MTY, and some in other parts of the world.

However, the intellectual realizations about the fallout seems to have affected my own motivations to even engage in P4P, my realizing that, for me, I am playing with fire. I am, at this juncture, reluctant to expose myself to them at all for fear that I will always make the effort to take it beyond the conventional experience.

As I have mentioned before, I have no desire to attempt this mental manipulation with good girls, or even semi pros, because I wouldn't feel right about engaging in that kind of manipulation, only to realize that I am not in a position to legitimize things were things to develop into something serious. I now feel bad enough about having engaged in it with my "G" girl, a consumate ho. I also have no capacity to take the scenario further once I achieve the distinction that takes me beyond the hi-bred GFE itself.

Certainly, were I to continue along this vain, engaging in manipulations that are designed to experience an emotional component to P4P, because of my reservations at engaging in this behavior with good girls, the only pool available to me is from the girls that engage in P4P. But, it occurs to me that I am worse for wear when I engage in such behavior, and that to engage in it, void of my compulsion, knowing them on an emotional level, is to neglect the satisfaction of my compulsion. So, it further occurs to me, where is the satisfaction if I can not engage in my compulsion, the deeper penetration of their psyches?

To illustrate more vividly for strictly the mongering types, for me to avoid the compulsion, it is kind of like sitting in the strip club, buying them drink after drink, all for a peck on the cheek, and getting blue balls as a result. So, if I refrain from my endeavors to know them on a deeper level, emotionally, as lovers, the satisfaction level I crave in the one sense suffers. I am truly damned if I do and damned if I don't.

So, while I fully realize the disadvantages of permitting myself to initiate these bar girls trists into something of deeper emotional meaning, I also realize the possibility that my own deficiencies will probably always compel me to push the envelope with these girls unless I specifically realize in the moment, the detriments to my inclination to do so, and fight the compulsion due to my intellectually understanding the eventual ramifications to my own psyche, and/or to them, as a result.

In some ways, I believe the "G" girl and I are like two peas in a pod, she liking the feeling of collecting Gabachos to achieve an ego boost, her initial goal and objective with me, and my liking the feeling of actually penetrating the shell that protects these girls, also an ego boost, transcending their shields to a point of actually making contact with them in an emotional sense, with they eventually also developing feelings that exceeded their initial desire to merely possess their social superior, and/or cultivate a new client.

My conclusions now are that we both went down that road for our own reasons, and that we both achieved the same thing, my getting to know her intimately as a person, emotionally, and she finding the same in me, an achievement that yielded a emotional bond, but one that, in the end, made us both feel pretty sad over what we sampled and inevitably lost because it can end no other way.

I believe we both understand that now, and that for her part, it is why she has cut ties with me at this juncture, telling me it is better for both of us, the catalyst being the bursting of her bubble, my bar fining the other girl from her club, she realizing that there is nothing at the end of the rainbow. I do not believe she is really angry, I just think she is afraid to permit any interaction with me to distract her from her goals, something that has distracted her already for an entire year.

I believe she does not want me messing with her mind, and distracting her from what she believes she must do to achieve her financial goals. She will see me in the privados, speak to me in a clinical sense, but her decision to isolate her emotions is one that I believe she felt compelled to do in order to gratify her ultimate goal, to make as much money as she can without any distractions.

Her shields are back up...and the force field is stronger than ever as a result of the last year's events. This represents, IMHO, a further inevitable hardening of her demeanor and personality, making her even a harder, colder, more mercenary individual. It is exactly what MJ referred to in his post to me almost a year ago, and just another one of the things that compels me to also consider retirement.

Mill Just

10-21-07, 01:39

I promised a response to your post MJ. Your former post is one that I believe rings very, very true.

Uno, your evolution as a monger is almost complete...you are almost there...

By your own reasoning and agreement with my ideas, then you have to see how the Cabron attitude is best for getting the most out of these girls.

They are used to being fawned over and used to having big money spent on them with little or no intention to give good service...

But the guy who balks the system and couldn't care less about their charms is the one who stands out. These girls generally need to be knocked off their pedastals and brought back to Earth for them to offer up anything other than mediocre service. The fact that you found what you said with your G Girl was just a happy coincidence that you walked into while playing the wrong game.

By the word "Cabron," I don't mean "Asshole." Being a cabron is not necessarily being a jerk, it is being assertive and decisive; someone who will not put up with the usual shit dished out to us. A cabron is a guy who knows how to play the game, has mastered the game and is not shy about letting everyone know how its gonna be. You can still be a sweetheart and treat the girls with respect and dignity, but you have to show a backbone.

Anyone who underestimates the value of displaying some machismo when dealing with a Mexicana (both pro and non-pro), is seriously misunderstanding the Mexican culture. All the girls will SAY that they want a sensitive, puppy dog man, but what they respond to is the cabron, especially when dealing with the socio-economic level of most of these working girls.

Remember, UNO, the strip club environment is a world unto itself. In the "real" world in Mexico, the cabron is more common and the sensitive guy is the exception. However, in the strip club world, most of the guys are wimps and jello in the hands of these chicas. The cabron is the exception. A "no-nonsense" guy who knows how to work these chicas, will have the run of the club and be able to get these girls on HIS terms and when/where HE likes.

Have Fun

Member #3453

10-21-07, 03:02

Thanks for the clarification MJ, I do agree with your perspective, and I am generally pretty much the Cabron with respect to most of the girls I know...but, of course, acting it out in my own way, with a lot of manipulation, nice guy demeanor, and a lot of psychobabel.

In the case of my "G" girl, it was a mutually agreed upon verbal agreement between us that I would conduct myself with exclusivity concerning her, and that she would conduct herself the same way with respect to me concerning salidas. But, more importantly, that when I was in town, she would treat me just like a novio, which she did. That is what she asked of me in return for such attention, and I agreed in return for her attentions to comply with her requests that I remain "fiel a ti."

I realize that my status as a monger, breaking my marriage vows, etc..., suggests that I am not an honorable man, but I actually am quite reliable and honorable in most things, and even with respect to taking care of the home front in the face of my transgressions.

The truth is, I feel that I am honor bound to my commitments, even to a bar girl, not because she deserved it, because we all know she did not, but because it relates to my own self respect. It is one of the things that seperates us from them, IMHO. My honor is also why I told her of my bar fining the other girl, out of my concern for her feelings, so she would not hear it in her bar, but also so she would at least respect me for being man enough to tell her and give her the option of continuing our arrangement or not.

It cost me significantly to tell her, but I can conduct myself no other way. I worked hard to maintain her trust in me for the entire year, straying only infrequently, and only because I simulaneously realized that I needed to have other options. I truly preferred to spend the time with her, and she knew that quite well. As long as she was by my side, I had no desire to seek other girls, she was that attentive to me.

I fully realized then, a year ago, that what has finally transpired between us now would eventually develop, and I knew that I had to be prepared for it if I wanted to have fun after the eventual break up, because I was always aware that it was just a matter of time, something inevitable.

I did not trust that she was really keeping her word to me with respect to going on salidas, etc...although I had hoped she would adhere to it in spirit, and in spirit, I believe she loved me in her own bar girl way, and does even now. It really doesn't matter what she did when I wasn't there, or how she earned her living. The issue at hand was how she treated me when I was there, and to what extent she worked to perpetuate the hi-bred GFE. She held up her end of the bargain beautifully.

She showed me many times her preference to be with me by spending many hours on end, all for very little money, and that is good enough for me. All of this conjecture of course being within the confines of my former post concerning my analysis of her state of mind, the ego issues, etc...And, the bottom line is...my conjecture doesn't really mean anything because there is nothing beyond what is. It is just my ultimate conclusions after having contemplated things a long time.

I miss what I had with her, but my bar fining another girl broke our agreement, overtly broke it, and she displayed some convincing emotional reactions to hearing the news. I was convinced of her disappointment in me, and frankly, no other explanation can explain her emotional reactions, the cutting me off, the tears, the lack of future interest in taking my money, etc...Her reactions are not that of a typical bar girl, but of a woman scorned, even if the explanation has to do with reasons that we may not fully comprehend in her psyche, her ego, the Gringo possession syndrome, etc...

Of course, her indiscretions when I was not in Monterrey are undoubtedly so numerous that I probably seemed like such a fool to her. I am sure she believes me to be naive, but I was never under any illusions. I simply don't have confidence that a Mexicana from that socio-economic strata has the character to adhere to her verbalized commitements, and I never expected othewise from her.

But, honestly, from my perspective, I got really great GFEs, lots of time, seemingly spent with sincerity, and she made more effort than any bar girl in MTY, and even compared to all other worldwide venues, even texting me every day to say hello. She pulled out all the stops attempting to keep me happy, and for peanuts. For that, I am greatful, and believe that I experienced something from her that was over and above P4P in MTY, way over and above my expectations and routine experience, which is extensive with respect to Monterrey in particular, and with respect to comparing other venues.

I believe that over time, I became quite close to her real life, and that our closeness as friends is what disappointed her so much. It has nothing to do with sex, her job, ho-ing, etc...and everything to do with betrayed friendship and affection, our mutual comfortable familiarity, etc...Had I known it was to effect her that way, I would have been more intelligent about how I conducted myself. I was damned stupid. But, it is primarily because I assumed she was just a bar girl, doing a bar girl's job, and that my straying a little bit wouldn't cause her such distress.

I misjudged all her psychological baggage, and the effect that my overt Cabronish behavior would have upon her. The full explanation of the psychological issues are so in-depth that to try and cover them here is just impossible. So, a lot of what I believe, based on my observations of her behavior, and based on a year of being with her quite regularly, is simply not something I can cover adequately to be understood without all thinking I am a naive fool. So, I will just leave it at that, and hope that some will give me the benefit of the doubt, that my intellect had the circumstance under control, notwithstanding my lapse in judgement concerning the outcome.

So, all that having been said, I must move on at this juncture, make my decisions about whether to return, and specifically whether the cost of travel factored in the mix makes mongering in MTY potentially satisfying. I have my doubts when I consider the totality of the costs. The only opportunity I will have to utilize the Cabron methodology were if I decided to return, which at this juncture, does not seem likely.

But, just so everyone knows, when and if I do return, which is not likely, I will also simultaneously realize that while I thoroughly enjoyed my GFE with my "G" girl, there are aspects of it that made it painful, full of regrets, sometimes confining, and at times, a little risky. So, there is a happy median, which I believe is what you are trying to articulate with your further clarification of terms MJ. Thanks again for the concern, and for the clarification...I will go now and eat a cookie for you...wish me buen provecho. :D

MonterreyDude

10-21-07, 09:41

USB says: "Thanks for the clarification MJ, I do agree with your perspective, and I am generally pretty much the Cabron with respect to most of the girls I know...but, of course, acting it out in my own way, with a lot of manipulation, nice guy demeanor, and a lot of psychobabel."

I say: How many times must you be told that you are not a "cabron"????

Many of us have been a witness to your ways... you are a nice and good guy dealing with ho's.

Every single time you dealt with a girl, you just want to be a nice guy with them... and THAT is not being a "cabron".

And this is like the 3rd time I have repeated myself, but if you are truley the "cabron" you are boasting of... one of the things a "cabron" does is, is give a "s**t" how the girl treats you, cause you just don't care.

You are NOT that kind of guy.!

... a cabron would be back to spit on the last girls face and move to the next one....

... you are proclaiming retirement a word that is not part or a cabron's vocabulary.

... a cabron does not leave the club scene with his tail between his legs... he leaves with his dick between another girl that just can't wait for his return.

... a cabron will not ever regret his actions, that be dumping a girl for new one or getting another girl just for the fun of it when his favorita is busy,

And the list is smalll... tell me USB: are you really a "cabron"?

No you are not... not you.

You are just a nice guy that is trying to fit in a caborn's custom that defenitly does not fit you

.

Thanks for the clarification MJ, I do agree with your perspective, and I am generally pretty much the Cabron with respect to most of the girls I know...but, of course, acting it out in my own way, with a lot of manipulation, nice guy demeanor, and a lot of psychobabel.

In the case of my "G" girl, it was a mutually agreed upon verbal agreement between us that I would conduct myself with exclusivity concerning her, and that she would conduct herself the same way with respect to me concerning salidas. But, more importantly, that when I was in town, she would treat me just like a novio, which she did. That is what she asked of me in return for such attention, and I agreed in return for her attentions to comply with her requests that I remain "fiel a ti."

I realize that my status as a monger, breaking my marriage vows, etc..., suggests that I am not an honorable man, but I actually am quite reliable and honorable in most things, and even with respect to taking care of the home front in the face of my transgressions.

The truth is, I feel that I am honor bound to my commitments, even to a bar girl, not because she deserved it, because we all know she did not, but because it relates to my own self respect. It is one of the things that seperates us from them, IMHO. My honor is also why I told her of my bar fining the other girl, out of my concern for her feelings, so she would not hear it in her bar, but also so she would at least respect me for being man enough to tell her and give her the option of continuing our arrangement or not.

It cost me significantly to tell her, but I can conduct myself no other way. I worked hard to maintain her trust in me for the entire year, straying only infrequently, and only because I simulaneously realized that I needed to have other options. I truly preferred to spend the time with her, and she knew that quite well. As long as she was by my side, I had no desire to seek other girls, she was that attentive to me.

I fully realized then, a year ago, that what has finally transpired between us now would eventually develop, and I knew that I had to be prepared for it if I wanted to have fun after the eventual break up, because I was always aware that it was just a matter of time, something inevitable.

I did not trust that she was really keeping her word to me with respect to going on salidas, etc...although I had hoped she would adhere to it in spirit, and in spirit, I believe she loved me in her own bar girl way, and does even now. It really doesn't matter what she did when I wasn't there, or how she earned her living. The issue at hand was how she treated me when I was there, and to what extent she worked to perpetuate the hi-bred GFE. She held up her end of the bargain beautifully.

She showed me many times her preference to be with me by spending many hours on end, all for very little money, and that is good enough for me. All of this conjecture of course being within the confines of my former post concerning my analysis of her state of mind, the ego issues, etc...And, the bottom line is...my conjecture doesn't really mean anything because there is nothing beyond what is. It is just my ultimate conclusions after having contemplated things a long time.

I miss what I had with her, but my bar fining another girl broke our agreement, overtly broke it, and she displayed some convincing emotional reactions to hearing the news. I was convinced of her disappointment in me, and frankly, no other explanation can explain her emotional reactions, the cutting me off, the tears, the lack of future interest in taking my money, etc...Her reactions are not that of a typical bar girl, but of a woman scorned, even if the explanation has to do with reasons that we may not fully comprehend in her psyche, her ego, the Gringo possession syndrome, etc...

Of course, her indiscretions when I was not in Monterrey are undoubtedly so numerous that I probably seemed like such a fool to her. I am sure she believes me to be naive, but I was never under any illusions. I simply don't have confidence that a Mexicana from that socio-economic strata has the character to adhere to her verbalized commitements, and I never expected othewise from her.

But, honestly, from my perspective, I got really great GFEs, lots of time, seemingly spent with sincerity, and she made more effort than any bar girl in MTY, and even compared to all other worldwide venues, even texting me every day to say hello. She pulled out all the stops attempting to keep me happy, and for peanuts. For that, I am greatful, and believe that I experienced something from her that was over and above P4P in MTY, way over and above my expectations and routine experience, which is extensive with respect to Monterrey in particular, and with respect to comparing other venues.

I believe that over time, I became quite close to her real life, and that our closeness as friends is what disappointed her so much. It has nothing to do with sex, her job, ho-ing, etc...and everything to do with betrayed friendship and affection, our mutual comfortable familiarity, etc...Had I known it was to effect her that way, I would have been more intelligent about how I conducted myself. I was damned stupid. But, it is primarily because I assumed she was just a bar girl, doing a bar girl's job, and that my straying a little bit wouldn't cause her such distress.

I misjudged all her psychological baggage, and the effect that my overt Cabronish behavior would have upon her. The full explanation of the psychological issues are so in-depth that to try and cover them here is just impossible. So, a lot of what I believe, based on my observations of her behavior, and based on a year of being with her quite regularly, is simply not something I can cover adequately to be understood without all thinking I am a naive fool. So, I will just leave it at that, and hope that some will give me the benefit of the doubt, that my intellect had the circumstance under control, notwithstanding my lapse in judgement concerning the outcome.

So, all that having been said, I must move on at this juncture, make my decisions about whether to return, and specifically whether the cost of travel factored in the mix makes mongering in MTY potentially satisfying. I have my doubts when I consider the totality of the costs. The only opportunity I will have to utilize the Cabron methodology were if I decided to return, which at this juncture, does not seem likely.

But, just so everyone knows, when and if I do return, which is not likely, I will also simultaneously realize that while I thoroughly enjoyed my GFE with my "G" girl, there are aspects of it that made it painful, full of regrets, sometimes confining, and at times, a little risky. So, there is a happy median, which I believe is what you are trying to articulate with your further clarification of terms MJ. Thanks again for the concern, and for the clarification...I will go now and eat a cookie for you...wish me buen provecho. :D

Member #3453

10-21-07, 12:27

ok, well lets take this one point at a time...

i am a nice guy...i am not going to be an asshole. i mean, mj suggests that i don't necessarily have to be an asshole to be a cabron. point is, i want a certain kind of treatment from the girls, and being an asshole just simply isn't going to get it.

more specifically, and i quote carlos, "one of the things a "cabron" does is give a "shhit" how the girl treats you, cause you just don't care. you are not that kind of guy!"

treatment is everything!!!

precisely my point. i want a certain kind of treatment, but i want it to be delivered in a relatively sincere manner, which i am quite capable of obtaining from certain girls because i have proven it over and over again. it isn't easy to find because every girl responds differently, and it is sometimes hard to seperate the wheat from the chaffe, to find the girls that will respond to my kind of presentation with an actual sincerity, but it is doable.

even from the most mercenary of them all. take the homicidal cindy #1 for example. she has a soft spot for me now, and she delivers with sincerity, even if her intellectual motives are something else, and regardless of the physical dangers you are concerned with. besides, fear not, i have swat training...i am not worried about cindy #1 with respect to an assault by her on my person. the shitheads of society believe they can assault me on a regular basis up here in the usa, and i kick their asses, they learn differently.

don't misunderstand, i realize my vulnerabilities in being the nice guy, and also the reduced likelihood of finding a projected sincerity in acting the nice guy, but i also have no interest in the girls that think they are good actresses, bser's, the mercenaries, the hardened girls, etc...

the only reason that my "g" girl pursued me originally, this according to her, was that she believed i was different than all the cabrons in the club. when i demonstrated a cabronish attitude, it turned her off, offended her greatly, and of course, it had more to do with our having some significant history by that time as well. i believe she is the exception to most experiences in monterrey, but i still say there is a way to be a cabron in sheep's clothing. that is what i attempt to do. it doesn't always work, but it has worked, and when it does, i get superior gfe to what is otherwise usually available in mty. it is worth the wait, the additional psychological effort, the emotional toll...

or is it?

it occurs to me that i am not happy in mty, going through the emotional toll associated with having cultivated these relationships with these girls, ones that exceed the norm. mj once articulated that i seem sadder, less satisfied under the circumstances with my "g" girl over the course of the last year than ever before, even when i simultaneously believed i was happier than ever before.

i am thinking this all through as i write. many of you wonder, "why does this guy write so much, so often..." "give it a rest" all that commentary i regularly hear from the peanut gallery. it aint for you gentlemen, although i hope you enjoy it and participate with me. it is to assist me in reaching conclusions that benefit me. so, as i write this response, i am sorting it out. realize the process. maybe some of you will adopt it for your own, and add to the usb section. it is really quite cathartic. ask any professional psychoanalyst.

so perhaps that is more the issue, that the hi-bred gfe actually makes me less content than i thought. perhaps it is like a drug addict abusing his drug of choice, and initially feeling the euphoria of the experience, but over time developing a dependency that destroys him, makes him miserable in life, taunts him, a monkey on his back, etc...perhaps i need to be less emotionally invested. the monkey on my back with respect to hi-bred gfe is the resulting vulnerability, and it is a by-product of running my game to achieve the hi-bred gfe.

i am sorting it out gradually through my writing...

the way i see it now is...

my challenge is to be the cabron, but to deliver according to my personality. i don't want to change my personality to get pussy my way in monterrey. and, i have always been after more than just pussy, which is possibly my fatal error in the whole process. but, i have to assess my interest level for achieving just the pussy. just the pussy alone does not particularly interest me. i am more interested intellectual in the whole ball of wax, but i am limited to practicing my game on hos. it is quite the dilemma.

but, it also occurs to me that it just wouldn't be the same if i just wanted the pussy and nothing else...hell, that would be too easy. just as i do not get horny thinking about [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) a girl in an alley for example. i do not want girls throwing themselves at me strictly for money. i have more game than that, and i enjoy the process. there needs to be a certain degree of legitimate sincere desire to go with me over and above the money. i realize the money is always going to be the underlying motivator. i am not naive, but i also know first hand what i am capable of if i use my own personality, one that does not project well in my attempting to be an asshole to them.

certainly, i gave my "g" girl money...but, please, 500-1000 pesos for 8-12 hours at a time, the texts every day when i was back home in the us??? there was something much deeper going on. but, in retrospect, now with my having to endure the seperation, i wonder if it's worth the effort i made, and the whether i want to continue along that vain...probably not.

i sometimes think that it's just a challenge to me, something that i just wanted to prove, that i could take a normally mercenary girl, one that works in the bars, as mj described them in his former post, and convert them, to run a game on them. i think i did achieve something with my "g" girl, and now as i analyze my own motivations, it "ain't too pretty."

funny, when i look at the circumstances, i think it was also making my "g" girl miserable too. the bfe/gfe, at least in the hi-bred form, is a very intoxicating experience, but simultaneously a dangerous flirtation with our souls, one that can hurt very badly once achieved, especially within the realm of p4p.

i just enjoy the conversion process, converting them from their normal motivations, to something else. certainly, her normal financial motivations were still there, but the transition that i was able to get from her, and others too, is kind of a trophy for me...two points for usb...running a game on the disengenuous bar girl.

the problem is, in the process of running the game, i got to know my "g" girl, and all the others, too well, and i fell in love with their ways, their legitimized, sincere affections...notice, i said i fell in love with their ways. there is a difference between that, and falling in love with a person, per se.

i will miss my "g" girl's ways, the exceptional "treatment" that i got from her. but, i do not miss the emotional toll of having it unavailable to me now. so perhaps i have to rethink my goals in mty, and adjust my ultimate intention to convert them to something more than just hos.

but, on to your other point carlos...carlos says "you are proclaiming retirement a word that is not part or a cabron's vocabulary. a cabron does not leave the club scene with his tail between his legs. he leaves with his dick between another girl that just can't wait for his return."

here is the thing...you are not paying attention. i am perfectly willing to place said dick "between another girl," but it costs a lot of money to "llevar" said dick to mty, like 10,000 pesos. i am not retiring because i am leaving the club scene with my tail between my legs. i am assessing the cost to return, and saying that most of the girls are vestal virgins, bser's, skaggs, ugly, old, flabby, fat, etc...and that the cost to return simply doesn't justify the amount spent. that is going to be a very hard argument for you to rebut because you know that girls like "n," a girl i would sincerely like to know, is simply running a game on me.

i don't want the kind of girl that sat with me at casino, the fat cow...i want "n." if i can't have "n," and i can only have "fat cow" to motivate me on, then why would i spend 10,000 pesos to get there. and, this is just one example. when i think of the other prospects that interest me, it is always the same scenario.

i agree with mj, the cost to cultivate these club girls is prohibitive, and mj isn't even factoring in the cost of travel. he would be absolutely dumb founded were he to have to consider the cost of travel to morelia from the us, and to sit with the club girls and endure their bs, with little or no prospect for anything other than a peck on the cheek.

i will be interested to hear wastedg's trip report about his current trip to monterrey. he has not been at it as long as i. he is getting closer to my same range of time in mty, and i believe he is going to start to also experience some degree of disatisfaction wtih respect to expectations. unless he can hook up with some of his favorites, like "x" for example, maybe "p," maybe "s", girls he is familiar with that deliver to his liking, he may start to learn that sampling new girls does not always yield the results that one anticipates, and that expectations suffer as a result.

it costs a lot of money to get there, and if you find yourself merely spending two hours with a girl each night, at the most, the remaining time is quite boring. for me, having my "g" girl there to have fun with is what kept me returning this entire year. she filled my time with other activities and gave me legitimate companionship when i was there, not to mention the most sincerely delivered sex and affection i have ever experienced from a bar girl.

conversely, on this last trip, when i bar fined some new talent, i had nothing but disappointment. i would statistically say that of the total available talent in the clubs, that well over 60-70% are not going to be worth a shit. but, then, maybe i am too particular, expectations too lofty, whatever...but, none the less, with what i spend to get there, i can not afford to be disappointed. my "g" girl was never a disappointment, and that is why she had my attention.

i say: how many times must you be told that you are not a "cabron"????

many of us have been a witness to your ways... you are a nice and good guy dealing with ho's.

every single time you dealt with a girl, you just want to be a nice guy with them... and that is not being a "cabron".

and this is like the 3rd time i have repeated myself, but if you are truley the "cabron" you are boasting of... one of the things a "cabron" does is, is give a "s**t" how the girl treats you, cause you just don't care.

you are not that kind of guy.!

... a cabron would be back to spit on the last girls face and move to the next one....

... you are proclaiming retirement a word that is not part or a cabron's vocabulary.

... a cabron does not leave the club scene with his tail between his legs... he leaves with his dick between another girl that just can't wait for his return.

... a cabron will not ever regret his actions, that be dumping a girl for new one or getting another girl just for the fun of it when his favorita is busy,

and the list is smalll... tell me usb: are you really a "cabron"?

no you are not... not you.

you are just a nice guy that is trying to fit in a caborn's custom that defenitly does not fit you

.

Member #3453

10-21-07, 22:18

Carlos,

I noticed your comments in the Regular Member Section yesterday, and the mindless, pandering removal of your comments by the Administration. Just examine the content of what is remaining in the Regular Membes Section after the answers were deleted. What possible purpose do the postings in the "Regular Members" serve?

Either the Administration is smarter than we think, trying to prove the point that I came up with several weeks ago, that there simply is NOBODY more qualified to answer questions about the Monterrey venue than those that frequent it, most of which are designated as Senior Members, or they are merely pandering to those that represent themselves to the Administration as "Regular Members," through the use of newly created screen names, austensibly for the purposes of commenting freely, and in a self serving unchecked manner, without intervention through polite rebuttal or commentary.

I believe the reality is that those that prevail upon the Administration to have their own section are instead wishing to comment unchallenged, and are frightened of polite disagreement from those Senior Members that actually know the Monterrey venue.

It just appears that there are manipulations going on from some that represent themselves as "Regular Members," when they are simply attempting to manipulate the commentary on the board so they are able to spew forth their own commentary, unchecked, austensibly aimed at giving their brand of information, information that is extremely suspect with respect to its validity, probably much of it possibly even intended to promote a particular business, philosophy, or venue in Monterrey.

Let the actual poor aimless "Regular Members" ask their questions in the Monterrey Section, where they will get straight answers, or even varied answers, where all can comment. As it is now, the questions of "Regular Members" in their own section will either simply go unanswered, or the responses from others hiding as Regular Members under assumed falsely created identities will answer questions with their self serving answers.

The answers from the disengenuous could fly in the face of the true story behind the Monterrey scene, intending to convey whatever self serving BS answers they wish to perpetrate on the poor unsuspecting newbie visitors, probably sometimes done, I suspect, for self serving, business oriented reasons. These answers could be perpetrated perhaps to legitimize or to increase their own profitability in their locally owned P4P businesses in Monterrey. I have no proof of that being the motive, but the potential for abuse under the Administration's policy clears the way for such abuses, and makes the Administration complicite in it.

Because the Administration is so opposed to Senior Members posting commentary in the Regular Members Section, it occurs to me that other tactics, the same ones being employed by those that like to represent themselves as "Regular Members," when in reality, many of them are anything but "Regular Members," needs to be used by the Senior Members to level the playing field in much the same manner.

I propose we Senior Members create new, additional screen names for the purpose of commenting within the Regular Members section in order to keep things balances with legitimate information and commentary. Otherwise, the information that will proliferate in the Regular Members Section will either be bogus, or self serving commentary from those that have their own agenda, possibly those that operate P4P businesses in the Monterrey venue, answers that will go unchecked by those of us that have absolutely no vested interest in any P4P business in Monterrey. Plus, otherwise, the legitimate Regular Members that seek information within the "Regular Members" Section will have NO answers to their pleas for help due to the Senior Members that know the information being banned from helping them.

I fail to see what everyone is so afraid of. If we Senior Members comment, especially in instances where there are specific questions asked, what is the harm. All have an equal opportunity to refute our opinions. It is an even playing field. But, when the Senior Members are banned from an entire section of ISG, one has to wonder whether the Administration has a different agenda than to provide valid information to it's membership and enable the participation of it's Senior Members that make the board viable to begin with.

ABOLISH THE REGULAR MEMBERS SECTION, or give the SENIOR MEMBERS the right to respond to direct questions. I have vowed to avoid the Regular Members Section, and I intend to continue to do that out of respect for the Administration's rules. But, what is the purpose of the information contained in the Regular Members Section? It is less relevant, and more useless than what is found even in the USB Section, and dare I say, the information that is now remaining in the Regular Members section lacks any kind of serious value whatsoever without the answers to specifically asked questions put there by the Regular Members...nobody else answered their questions except Senior Members. Get it???

El Cabron 007

10-22-07, 00:14

Well Bob, since you're interested, I will give you a quick summary:

Thursday arrival. I meet up with Sweet P, my regular, and I expressed my desires to 'sample' 2 new girls. When she asked why, I said that one of them gives backdoor action and the other is so hot I got to try her. I asked sweet P to bring them to me, one at a time. With a frown on her face, she delivered. When I eventually took P out, she tried to give me, for the first time ever, backdoor action. ‘dispacito por favor’

On Friday, I have this new crazy S girl that even Carlos is all gaga for that I bar fined while sweet P was not looking and I exited the club not to be seen again. I also ditched 2 new girls from Obsession that wanted to go out with me. I understand one of them was a girl you liked. She asked me out and I told her to meet me outside infinito at 11:30. I ditched them and now Carlos thinks I will need to watch my back.

Last night was a wild night for me. I pretty much spend the entire evening in privados. The manager asked me if I was on a marathon. When I came back down with one of the girls, the other chicas asked her 'you're just come back down now?". Needless to say, none of these privados were with sweet P. As a matter of fact, I never took sweet P on a privado.

By the time I was done, it was 11:45 pm and sweet P was just coming down from her dressing room. I had to ask her for 2000 pesos to cover my bill. I ran out of money. We spent the night at Bario Antigou along with another hot girl from Infinito. I have yet to pay her back. She's gonna come meet me at Infinito at 7 to collect.. She's not working tonight.

I am trying out new girls at leisure. I had a session with Sexy X's she-husband who now 'claims' to fall for me. She made me realize how much I missed Sexy X. Her she-husband told me how she is angry with me because, it turns out, I had exclusive access to Sexy X and I was her competition. woohoo. Sweet.

So anyways, this Obsession girl, after 2 drinks, asked me to take her out and she would bring her 18 y/o friend from Obsession. I later find out from Carlos that you liked her and you wanted to take her out too. Good choice. She was fun to hang out with and I had to wash my hands a couple of time. Carlos refused to smell my fingers.

Infinito has a ton of new girls that the regular ones are now complaining and they should be. The new ones are very hot and are making them compete. I ‘sampled’ a couple.

Another thing I wish to point out here. We are getting the bottom of quality of girls available in Monterrey. The beautiful girls at Bario Antigou are nowhere near what we get at the clubs. That is what I noticed, again, last night.

I saw your G girl on Friday night but did not have a chance to talk to her. She did stop by to say hello but I could not talk to her. I was surrounded by tons of girls.

Carlos' friend sat with us as we were just arriving. He got to witness almost every single girl from the club stop by to lay a wet one on me if not a tight hug while saying "HOLA CABRON. TE EXTRANO MUCHO". Yes, the girls call me cabron, among other things. The poor dude was puzzled and started asking me if I was a local and then about how long I've been coming here. He asked me for pointers.

So there. Now you have my report summary. it' business as usual. New girls, old girls, weird girls, you name it. But I think I'm going to look into hiring a bodyguard now.

Wasted

I will be interested to hear WastedG's trip report about his current trip to Monterrey. He has not been at it as long as I. He is getting closer to my same range of time in MTY, and I believe he is going to start to also experience some degree of disatisfaction wtih respect to expectations. Unless he can hook up with some of his favorites, like "X" for example, maybe "P," maybe "S", girls he is familiar with that deliver to his liking, he may start to learn that sampling new girls does not always yield the results that one anticipates, and that expectations suffer as a result.

MonterreyDude

10-22-07, 00:46

Wasted: You forgot to mention while at Obsesssion, the girl that came to you as an excuse to talk to me... a former Bahamas club señorita that I did not recall at all, one that I had left such a deep mark that she wanted me to her sit down and send the A girl away.
(The A girl, Round the World's girlfriend asked me if I had knocked her up or something... if looks could kill, the A girl would have been dead on the spot)

And this Bahama's girl, I saw her only ONCE, no more, not even a visit to the Bahamas after that.

USB: That is one of the things of being a cabron... I still remember when the girls really missed you when you left the city, the same way they miss Wasted.
I just don't know at what point you lost it, but it is true... the girls now only miss your cookies, not the man behind the cookies.

More or less it has to do that sometimes you just don't recall the girls. I remember how many times you kept asking "who's that girl" at the Prestige and it turned out it was either Adriana or Ambar???

At the Obsession with Nicole, Zerelda, Irlanda, Sofia...

You should keep track like I do... I have a terrible memory for girls, specially the names, but I make that up by writing the track record and saving it on digital memory, not brain memory.

Well Bob, since you're interested, I will give you a quick summary:

Thursday arrival. I meet up with Sweet P, my regular, and I expressed my desires to 'sample' 2 new girls. When she asked why, I said that one of them gives backdoor action and the other is so hot I got to try her. I asked sweet P to bring them to me, one at a time. With a frown on her face, she delivered. When I eventually took P out, she tried to give me, for the first time ever, backdoor action. ‘dispacito por favor’

On Friday, I have this new crazy S girl that even Carlos is all gaga for that I bar fined while sweet P was not looking and I exited the club not to be seen again. I also ditched 2 new girls from Obsession that wanted to go out with me. I understand one of them was a girl you liked. She asked me out and I told her to meet me outside infinito at 11:30. I ditched them and now Carlos thinks I will need to watch my back.

Last night was a wild night for me. I pretty much spend the entire evening in privados. The manager asked me if I was on a marathon. When I came back down with one of the girls, the other chicas asked her 'you're just come back down now?". Needless to say, none of these privados were with sweet P. As a matter of fact, I never took sweet P on a privado.

By the time I was done, it was 11:45 pm and sweet P was just coming down from her dressing room. I had to ask her for 2000 pesos to cover my bill. I ran out of money. We spent the night at Bario Antigou along with another hot girl from Infinito. I have yet to pay her back. She's gonna come meet me at Infinito at 7 to collect.. She's not working tonight.

I am trying out new girls at leisure. I had a session with Sexy X's she-husband who now 'claims' to fall for me. She made me realize how much I missed Sexy X. Her she-husband told me how she is angry with me because, it turns out, I had exclusive access to Sexy X and I was her competition. woohoo. Sweet.

So anyways, this Obsession girl, after 2 drinks, asked me to take her out and she would bring her 18 y/o friend from Obsession. I later find out from Carlos that you liked her and you wanted to take her out too. Good choice. She was fun to hang out with and I had to wash my hands a couple of time. Carlos refused to smell my fingers.

Infinito has a ton of new girls that the regular ones are now complaining and they should be. The new ones are very hot and are making them compete. I ‘sampled’ a couple.

Another thing I wish to point out here. We are getting the bottom of quality of girls available in Monterrey. The beautiful girls at Bario Antigou are nowhere near what we get at the clubs. That is what I noticed, again, last night.

I saw your G girl on Friday night but did not have a chance to talk to her. She did stop by to say hello but I could not talk to her. I was surrounded by tons of girls.

Carlos' friend sat with us as we were just arriving. He got to witness almost every single girl from the club stop by to lay a wet one on me if not a tight hug while saying "HOLA CABRON. TE EXTRANO MUCHO". Yes, the girls call me cabron, among other things. The poor dude was puzzled and started asking me if I was a local and then about how long I've been coming here. He asked me for pointers.

So there. Now you have my report summary. it' business as usual. New girls, old girls, weird girls, you name it. But I think I'm going to look into hiring a bodyguard now.

Wasted

MonterreyDude

10-22-07, 00:53

Wasted says: "Another thing I wish to point out here. We are getting the bottom of quality of girls available in Monterrey. The beautiful girls at Bario Antigou are nowhere near what we get at the clubs. That is what I noticed, again, last night."

Speak for your self... not me. I have my Harem girl, my Obsession girl and my Prestige girl are over what the Infinito can offer.

Seriously speaking... at the Barrio Antiguo you get to meet the educated, job-working girls, the mid working class types, who by genetic luck have a lighter skin, fair hair and that really enables them to open the doors to opprotunities the club girls can only dream off.

And even then, the girls at the Barrio Antiguo are now where comparable to the girls of the Colonia del Valle district... you've seen them, the ones at the Valle Oriente and Plaza Fiesta San Agustin Malls.... or how about the Starbucks we went to have coffee at???

Well Bob, since you're interested, I will give you a quick summary:

Thursday arrival. I meet up with Sweet P, my regular, and I expressed my desires to 'sample' 2 new girls. When she asked why, I said that one of them gives backdoor action and the other is so hot I got to try her. I asked sweet P to bring them to me, one at a time. With a frown on her face, she delivered. When I eventually took P out, she tried to give me, for the first time ever, backdoor action. ‘dispacito por favor’

On Friday, I have this new crazy S girl that even Carlos is all gaga for that I bar fined while sweet P was not looking and I exited the club not to be seen again. I also ditched 2 new girls from Obsession that wanted to go out with me. I understand one of them was a girl you liked. She asked me out and I told her to meet me outside infinito at 11:30. I ditched them and now Carlos thinks I will need to watch my back.

Last night was a wild night for me. I pretty much spend the entire evening in privados. The manager asked me if I was on a marathon. When I came back down with one of the girls, the other chicas asked her 'you're just come back down now?". Needless to say, none of these privados were with sweet P. As a matter of fact, I never took sweet P on a privado.

By the time I was done, it was 11:45 pm and sweet P was just coming down from her dressing room. I had to ask her for 2000 pesos to cover my bill. I ran out of money. We spent the night at Bario Antigou along with another hot girl from Infinito. I have yet to pay her back. She's gonna come meet me at Infinito at 7 to collect.. She's not working tonight.

I am trying out new girls at leisure. I had a session with Sexy X's she-husband who now 'claims' to fall for me. She made me realize how much I missed Sexy X. Her she-husband told me how she is angry with me because, it turns out, I had exclusive access to Sexy X and I was her competition. woohoo. Sweet.

So anyways, this Obsession girl, after 2 drinks, asked me to take her out and she would bring her 18 y/o friend from Obsession. I later find out from Carlos that you liked her and you wanted to take her out too. Good choice. She was fun to hang out with and I had to wash my hands a couple of time. Carlos refused to smell my fingers.

Infinito has a ton of new girls that the regular ones are now complaining and they should be. The new ones are very hot and are making them compete. I ‘sampled’ a couple.

Another thing I wish to point out here. We are getting the bottom of quality of girls available in Monterrey. The beautiful girls at Bario Antigou are nowhere near what we get at the clubs. That is what I noticed, again, last night.

I saw your G girl on Friday night but did not have a chance to talk to her. She did stop by to say hello but I could not talk to her. I was surrounded by tons of girls.

Carlos' friend sat with us as we were just arriving. He got to witness almost every single girl from the club stop by to lay a wet one on me if not a tight hug while saying "HOLA CABRON. TE EXTRANO MUCHO". Yes, the girls call me cabron, among other things. The poor dude was puzzled and started asking me if I was a local and then about how long I've been coming here. He asked me for pointers.

So there. Now you have my report summary. it' business as usual. New girls, old girls, weird girls, you name it. But I think I'm going to look into hiring a bodyguard now.

Wasted

El Cabron 007

10-22-07, 02:44

So cute ...

So I headed back to Infinito around 6.45. Sweet P shows up later and I give her the money I borrowed from her last night. She asked "what this for?" wow. she don't even remember I owed her money. But anyways, next thing I know is the waiter added up my tab. but wait, i did not want to leave. Well, she pulled me out to take her to El Ray Del Cabrito .. fine .. I was hungry and I could eat a goat. Another surprise, she's taking the food “to go”. OK. Fine, I'll eat later. But wait, she asked for a 4-person meal. She's 1 and her 2 kids make 3. Guess who the 4th person was?

I could not do it. I could not bring myself to go to her house. I know well I should not under any circumstances go to her house. No way .. and finally told her I could not go so tell the taxi driver to take me back to my hotel. Sweet P is sweet and so harmless; her surprises are just as cute.

No way. I had 2 things running through my head 1 is me seeing her kids would probably break me. Those kids would be the knife in my heart. They've been asking their mom about who is this Wasted man that sent us gifts once? They’ve been asking and she wanted to present me to them. So Cute. BUT No way.

The other thing I had running through my head was an image of some man coming into the house and bye bye Wasted. When she insisted on knowing why I did not want to go, I told her about part 1.

A new Sweet P love sprung out. She never said to me "te quiro". It was always this fake "te amo" stuff. But tonight, she smiled big and said "Te qiero mucho Wasted."

Oh, I forgot to mention that while I was waiting for sweet P to show up, G-girl sat on me, I mean with me and we chatted a bit. I thought about taking her on privado and teach her how to say my name right just like Bob did with P... :-). So anyways, we started talking and I asking "what about Bob?"

She says she does not know why he does not contact her anymore. She was wondering if he was angry with her or something. So here it is:

W: Is Bob still your boyfriend.
G: No. no more.
why
because he took another girl out
so what?
well, he has not contacted me. I wonder if he is angry with me
Are you angry with him?
No. I am not. why should I be?
Do you want him to contact you?
Yes, but I do not have a phone and something about a computer
Then should I tell Bob to contact you?
Yes. but how?
I will email him.
No, I mean how will he reach me? I don't have a phone?
Fine, I will tell him that too.

So there. This will make Bob do a 180-degree shift.

So I got me a teriyaki sub from the next door 7-eleven and now heading back to infinito to take care of some unfinished business.

Wasted

Member #3453

10-22-07, 03:30

W: Is Bob still your boyfriend.
G: No. no more.
why
because he took another girl out
so what?
well, he has not contacted me. I wonder if he is angry with me
Are you angry with him?
No. I am not. why should I be?
Do you want him to contact you?
Yes, but I do not have a phone and something about a computer
Then should I tell Bob to contact you?
Yes. but how?
I will email him.
No, I mean how will he reach me? I don't have a phone?
Fine, I will tell him that too.

Wasted

Thanks for the update...But, remember, with respect to your "P" girl, I did take her into the Privados, but I did nothing with her...honestly, nothing. I know you believe me to be a fool, that I should conduct myself like the true Cabron, and ravish even your girls at will. I know you gave me permission, but I will NOT tread on your girls, especially the "P" girl. The GFEs must be preserved at all cost, and this sceanario I have now with my "G" girl just goes to prove my point. And, furthermore, your story about your "P" girl just goes to prove the point even further. I told you that girl is in love with you. I have had the same scenario as your part 1 with my "G" girl. I am close to her, as close as I dare get. And, while you represent yourself as the Cabron, you are also a "sweetheart" too. Don't discount the intensity of the GFE with your "P" girl. It is soooo much better than anything you will ever experience in MTY.

DO NOT listen to the Cabron, Carlos Perez...he is a Mexicano, :D wanting to act the Cabron according to his customs. He does not know the affect a Gringo has upon the Mexicana in love. He can not possibly know what we know. Now, MJ, well, I don't know how to rebut his comments about always being the Cabron. He is a Gringo in Mexicano's clothing :D

I think the bottom line is to know how to apply the principles of psychology to get what you enjoy the most. It is that simple. I am paying the BIG FUCKIN' BUCKS to get there, and I WANT what I WANT. Nobody is going to tell me that if I want hi-bred GFE I must settle for mechanical, or even standard delivery GFE. I pay through the nose to get there. If I don't get what I want, I will not return.

I realize you, WastedG, are the Cabron, and that you are wanting to avoid the closeness that you could have with "P." But, for my part, I see the merit in the hi-bred GFE, while also simultaneously knowing the potenatial heartaches. But, I also know my heart, and I know that I do not seek the Cabron experience. If that kind of experience is all that awaits me, I will not return. You know me, I am the sweetheart of MTY, and I just want the sweetheart kind of experience.

With respect to my "G" girl, were I able to rekindle it with her, I would return in a heartbeat. But, as I always told her, I don't want to return if she does not want me there. Because, literally, the other prospects in MTY aren't worth my making the trip. I always felt that she was superior in every way, and I meant it. But, I always told her that were it not for her being there for me, I would not return, and I won't. Not because I am a soggy soft hearted sponge(bob), but because I want what I had with her, and that's it. It is what I want, and if I can't have what I want, I will NOT return. That is having the ultimate control. That is being the ultimate Cabron bastard. I will cut them all off in lieu of my "G" girl, or one exactly like her. It's that simple.

I always told her of the costs, that the costs were very high, that she was worth the cost of me returning, and I did so for a whole year, 20,000 pesos every three weeks, and she was the single reason I did it, other than to see mis amigos as well, of course. Of the 20,000 pesos, she usually got only about 25% of it, the airlines and hotel chain got the rest, and she kept me perpetually happy all the time.

There simply is NO OTHER fuckin' bar girl that comes close to her. Just think, if she had been in the States, and I had not spent that on travel, she would have gotten the whole 20,000 pesos, the equivalent of $2000US, the equivalent of about $62US an hour. That is damned good money, even in the US. It must be equivalent to a small fortune in Mexico. I would have thought she was smart enough to figure out that I returned to her every three weeks, and that I spent almost all my time with her, willingly. Yet, she insisted on punishing me, on ending it between us over being jealous that I bar fined another girl for five frickin' minutes of comparative time. If it is BFE she wants, how much more of a damned testimonial does she need than to realize that I was spending a small fortune, even by US standards, just to see her. And, that I was willingly devoting all my available time to be with her. She is either a very dim bulb, or extremely jealous! I CAN"T SHOUT ANY FRICKIN' LOUDER!!!!

But, she will never believe me now, that I feel that way, not after believing that I bar fined another girl in place of her. Remember, I only did it after she told me she was leaving town for another city. I did bar fine the other girl, but I did NOTHING with her. Remember, the new girl was menstrating. And, now, SHIT, if I could turn back the clock, I would do it in a heartbeat, and keep my circumstances secure with my "G" girl. But, what's done is done.

My "G" girl would have my undivided attention because, literally, she is so far superior to the other prospects that I would prefer her to any other options. It has nothing to do with she manipulating me. She delivers the goods in spades. That is why I return to her. You all know how much I think of her ISG, but she will not believe it, simply because I took another girl out of the bar after she told me I was not important enough to her to remain in MTY...GIVE ME A FRICKIN' BREAK!!!

I would return to see her, but only her, and my amigos of course. The other girls, IMHO, are not worth the cost to return. Doesn't that exclusivity commitment with her count for something???? It pisses me off!!!

I WILL NOT return without some kind of direct contact from her. I must have some kind of indication from her that she wants me to return. She has my cell number, my email, etc...and to date, I have received no communications from her. I have texted her, and NO REPLY. So, whatever she may have told you...well, I believe it is strictly bullshit, just something to put me off, and something to deflect the blame from her. Seriously, I find it very difficult to believe that she has not had access to a cell phone in over two weeks. But, whatever...

Aw, forget it, I said I was retiring...I might as well stay in the Midwest. I don't believe what she told you. I simply don't need the heartaches. I don't want to put myself through it. I was just starting to get over her. Each day I resolve myself to not seeing her ever again, believing that she does not want to see me. Each day is another day closer to my being free of the torment...I think of her all the time, and I wish I could just forget her...but I can't. I remain retired... :-((( ....unless???

MonterreyDude

10-22-07, 03:50

Do not EVER EVER EVER EVER allow a working girl to take you home, that is sentimenal and emotional blackmail... the worst kind of manipulation intended to line you in...

It is NOT cute... do not give that idea to the rest of the people reading this, cause they don't know you as the cynic I do get to meet.

You told me P would get back to you for taking S out of the Infinito... she just did and totally gave you the final blow.

And this: "A new Sweet P love sprung out. She never said to me "te quiro". It was always this fake "te amo" stuff. But tonight, she smiled big and said "Te qiero mucho Wasted."

I always get this from my Harem girl... she always insists in asking me if there is something more between us beyond "friendship".... I just shrug her off, pat her on the cheek and I say to her "yeah, right..." (that USB, is also being a cabron).

Boy, Wasted, you really got the "one-two" from the P girl.... how are the black eyes???
She really did take the "friendship" up to the next level... meanwhile, Wasted was daydreaming and didn't saw it coming.

PS: By the way, 4 cabrito orders??? expensive, nearly 1000 pesos. I wouldn't let any girl do that to me either....
LOL! you are not a cabron either!!! you are a sucker for a pretty girl!!!

So cute ...

So I headed back to Infinito around 6.45. Sweet P shows up later and I give her the money I borrowed from her last night. She asked "what this for?" wow. she don't even remember I owed her money. But anyways, next thing I know is the waiter added up my tab. but wait, i did not want to leave. Well, she pulled me out to take her to El Ray Del Cabrito .. fine .. I was hungry and I could eat a goat. Another surprise, she's taking the food “to go”. OK. Fine, I'll eat later. But wait, she asked for a 4-person meal. She's 1 and her 2 kids make 3. Guess who the 4th person was?

I could not do it. I could not bring myself to go to her house. I know well I should not under any circumstances go to her house. No way .. and finally told her I could not go so tell the taxi driver to take me back to my hotel. Sweet P is sweet and so harmless; her surprises are just as cute.

No way. I had 2 things running through my head 1 is me seeing her kids would probably break me. Those kids would be the knife in my heart. They've been asking their mom about who is this Wasted man that sent us gifts once? They’ve been asking and she wanted to present me to them. So Cute. BUT No way.

The other thing I had running through my head was an image of some man coming into the house and bye bye Wasted. When she insisted on knowing why I did not want to go, I told her about part 1.

A new Sweet P love sprung out. She never said to me "te quiro". It was always this fake "te amo" stuff. But tonight, she smiled big and said "Te qiero mucho Wasted."

Oh, I forgot to mention that while I was waiting for sweet P to show up, G-girl sat on me, I mean with me and we chatted a bit. I thought about taking her on privado and teach her how to say my name right just like Bob did with P... :-). So anyways, we started talking and I asking "what about Bob?"

She says she does not know why he does not contact her anymore. She was wondering if he was angry with her or something. So here it is:

W: Is Bob still your boyfriend.
G: No. no more.
why
because he took another girl out
so what?
well, he has not contacted me. I wonder if he is angry with me
Are you angry with him?
No. I am not. why should I be?
Do you want him to contact you?
Yes, but I do not have a phone and something about a computer
Then should I tell Bob to contact you?
Yes. but how?
I will email him.
No, I mean how will he reach me? I don't have a phone?
Fine, I will tell him that too.

So there. This will make Bob do a 180-degree shift.

So I got me a teriyaki sub from the next door 7-eleven and now heading back to infinito to take care of some unfinished business.

Wasted

Member #3453

10-22-07, 04:38

WastedG, do NOT listen to Carlos Perez...He speaketh with forked tongue. He is a Mexicano, and he does not understand the power of the Gringo charisma or the hi-bred GFE experience :D He is coming from a different perspective....He lives in MTY, and can NOT afford to take anything to the next level. We can!!!

Answer this question in your own mind Wasted...

Didn't the little sexually meaningless exchange between you an your "P" girl with respect to "te quiero," feel better in your heart than sex? I propose that you will have forgotten the details of the sexual experience long before you will ever forget those simple words uttered by your "P" girl. You will return to the US, and while you will have a difficult time remembering details of the actual sex acts you engaged in, you will simultaneously remember her tender words with such vividness that you will never, ever forget her. Imagine, the sex she would deliver to demonstrate that her feelings are legitimate, if she also believed that you felt the same way, and that she was somehow special among all the other hos in the bar? Believe me, it is very, very powerful shit.

Left Brain? Right Brain? No Brain? What differences does it make? Do your own research, and stop permitting others to give you lessons. Follow your instincts. You don't need lessons.

And, Carlos, as for my having lost it, "girls not missing me, missing my cookies, and not the man..."

It is not important whether the girls miss me or not. That is why you think I lost it. I stopped caring whether they missed me or not. I stopped spending money on girls that delivered a peck on the cheek. It is whether they impress me sufficiently to return to them. Because literally, I can travel to any part of the world for what it costs me to return to MTY, and have three of them in my bed for half the price of one MTY girl, all of them dying to stay with me long time, 24 hours a day if I choose, certainly longer than 1.5 hours, and they will fight one another to wait on me hand and foot. So, that is the reality. That is the true Cabron. For example, Porker, he is the true Cabron because he does NOT put up with their shit. He goes where the girls impress him, not the other way around. You guys all claim to be Cabrons but you are mired in only experiencing Mexicanas, and putting up with their crap. :D Those of us that do NOT tolerate their shit, or the shitty service in the Mexico venue, we are the true Cabrons of the world, make NO mistake. :D Don't worry, I am still frosty :D NO offense intended. :D

Do not EVER EVER EVER EVER allow a working girl to take you home, that is sentimenal and emotional blackmail... the worst kind of manipulation intended to line you in...

It is NOT cute... do not give that idea to the rest of the people reading this, cause they don't know you as the cynic I do get to meet.

You told me P would get back to you for taking S out of the Infinito... she just did and totally gave you the final blow.

And this: "A new Sweet P love sprung out. She never said to me "te quiro". It was always this fake "te amo" stuff. But tonight, she smiled big and said "Te qiero mucho Wasted."

I always get this from my Harem girl... she always insists in asking me if there is something more between us beyond "friendship".... I just shrug her off, pat her on the cheek and I say to her "yeah, right..." (that USB, is also being a cabron).

Boy, Wasted, you really got the "one-two" from the P girl.... how are the black eyes???
She really did take the "friendship" up to the next level... meanwhile, Wasted was daydreaming and didn't saw it coming.

PS: By the way, 4 cabrito orders??? expensive, nearly 1000 pesos. I wouldn't let any girl do that to me either....
LOL! you are not a cabron either!!! you are a sucker for a pretty girl!!!

El Cabron 007

10-22-07, 05:46

First and foremost, Yes. Carlos is correct in that when i used the phrase "So Cute.", I was being sarcastic. That is my nature and that is how I see the girls. When Lady J asked me how long I was in town for, and that right after she explained her taxes problem, I did see her as cute when she was happy to learn I was staying for a few days. However, I could see her right through her that she was hearing cash register bells.

When sweet P told me "Te quiero mucho", I know she was being sincere but how much sincerity do I value from a SC girl? She may love me to death. I love her too. But in no way am I gonna think anything further than the club relationship.

OK -- so back to the question Bob. Yes, she may perform even better now but that I will not see as a deeper love. That I will see as a result of my taming and molding her. I can see where you and I might differ here. You see it as a something she blessed you with while I see it as something I earned. Yes, both of us know I am welling to move to the next girl in a heartbeat.

I will always listen to advices especially from Carlos. You know we all should. Always keep an open mind and allow someone to prove you wrong. When someone gives me an advice based on first-hand experience, of course I will listen. Again, especially from Carlos because we are playing in his backyard.

Let Carlos get a big head. It will match his girls asses ;;;; -;) Just kidding C.

So yeah, I will enjoy my accomplishment with sweet P and enjoy the physical affection as well, but that's as far as it gets.

Now back to the blows I got from sweet P. Yes, first blow was dragging me out of the club when I did not finish my popcorn. It was still hot. I could not resist when she, ever so sweetly, asked me if I mind getting food for her kids. How can anyone resist that? And it was expensive but I know it will put a smile on some kids faces. That is a good feeling .. or as they say in the MasterCard Spanish commercial "No tienes precio" (?)

So that was blow 2. I wonder where blow 3 will come from. how much did you say it costs to hire a bodyguard?

Yes Bob, I am the cabron who is good to the girls. Like MJ was saying earlier, a cabron is not an asshole.

Wasted.

WastedG, do NOT listen to Carlos Perez...He speaketh with forked tongue. He is a Mexicano, and he does not understand the power of the Gringo charisma or the hi-bred GFE experience :D He is coming from a different perspective....He lives in MTY, and can NOT afford to take anything to the next level. We can!!!

Answer this question in your own mind Wasted...

Didn't the little sexually meaningless exchange between you an your "P" girl with respect to "te quiero," feel better in your heart than sex? I propose that you will have forgotten the details of the sexual experience long before you will ever forget those simple words uttered by your "P" girl. You will return to the US, and while you will have a difficult time remembering details of the actual sex acts you engaged in, you will simultaneously remember her tender words with such vividness that you will never, ever forget her. Imagine, the sex she would deliver to demonstrate that her feelings are legitimate, if she also believed that you felt the same way, and that she was somehow special among all the other hos in the bar? Believe me, it is very, very powerful shit.

Left Brain? Right Brain? No Brain? What differences does it make? Do your own research, and stop permitting others to give you lessons. Follow your instincts. You don't need lessons.

Mill Just

10-22-07, 06:00

El Cabron 007

10-22-07, 06:20

Thank you MJ, I was wondering how long it would take for you and/or Carlos to catch on. You did well.

I chose to report the exact conversation rather than simply say to call her for a reason. I did not want to put any words into what she/I said. I wanted to be like th Fox channle. "We report - you decide" ha ha - another BS'ers.

Your observation is what I meant to get out of one of you guys. How do I tell Bob that what he was getting is being offered for all at the lousy cost of 350 pesos?

The club is still talking about my marathon last night. it seems like everyone was aware of we spending the entire evening upstairs that sweet P came back today saying she'll get back to me for spending 92 minutes with Crunchy S. Heck, I was bored.

I noticed again that out of the all dudes in the club, I am the only one who gets 'hola's from the girls on stage. Some wave, other call out my name. And when Juan and Roxana were there, the yelled out "CABRON" for all to hear. Kinda uncomfortable when everyone in the club turn their head to see who the "Cabron" was. today one asked for a smoke. I hated to walk up to the stage. I never do. I usually wave them down from my seat and come to me. Not being arrogant but honestly ashamed to approach the stage.

Wasted

Uno, obviously I wasn't there with Wasted and didn't hear the way that conversation went down, but that sure doesn't sound like a distressed, heart-broken chica. To me, that sounds like you were barely a blip on her radar and that she barely even cares. It seems like she was starting to run game on Wasted when he mentioned you and then she half-remembered all the stuff that went down and tried to do an about-face.

I hate to sound negative, but what Wasted reported sounded more like an indifferent bar girl than a woman betrayed by the evil gringo. The club girls with a decent heart (relatively speaking) sometimes play that game of "innocent memory loss."

Here is an innocent question...but could your "relationship" have meant much more to you than to her?

Member #3453

10-22-07, 10:42

But, WastedG, you failed to indicate that I too caught on. Did I not say that I did not believe her? She has made no attempts to contact me. I am not that hard to find were she being genuine. I don't buy her lines. And, yes, she is a ho, and she wants to be a ho, money is her motivator, but it can not be shown that money was the motivator with me, at least not then. The numbers don't lie. But, after having been disappointed by her, I am reluctant to consider returning to Monterrey, being treated in ways that make me more disappointed upon leaving, more so than when I arrived.

For those that live in Monterrey, the game is entirely different. It is not so easily played, especially my way, by the out of town visitor. WastedG plays the game differently than I, and he has different desires and expectations. Perhaps someone traveling to Monterrey from somewhere as close as Houston has a hope of playing the game more similiarly to a local, but in my case, the effort and relative expense required to play the game the way I enjoy it is monumental.

So, I choose to continue believing that she has morphed further into being something that appeals to me less at this juncture. I don't say that she was a "good" girl before, but I believe she has become significantly more mercenary than when I originally met her.

I do not believe she was running a game on me when we were together...what game??? The time commitment she made, and at the price points given, tells the story. I believe legitimate feelings for me existed, but I also simultaneously believe that she is incrementally becoming less of what I liked about her intitally, more the hardened mercenary, and that is what she desires, to expand her business...that is what she told me she wants to do, that by spending time with me, by endulging her BFE, it was damaging her business and sabotaging her future. I believe she saw me that same way I saw her, as a vessel whereby fantasy times were delivered and enjoyed.

So be it...that realization does not make me want to return, only to find a hardened, mercenary girl, one that is simply a remnant of the one I first met a year ago, one whose hi-bred GFE is now only to be compared to what is offered by every other ho in MTY. So, ok, now she appeals to the masses, and the masses will have her, fake boobs and all.

I am NOT so naive as to believe that she was anything but a ho before. She is a ho, and always has been. But, she was much more desireable before, when I was getting what I liked.

But, that having been said....I come to Precocious One's post in the "Regular Members" Section.

Precocious One,

Thank you for the update with respect to my "G" girl. First, for a girl to spend an hour on "drinks," on the floor of El Infinito is very rare. I am not sure of the significance of that, but it makes me wonder about the full content of your conversations with her.

I suspect that she is just simply attempting to maintain the facade that she is still a "sweetheart" by seeming to sentimentally reminisce about something she is reluctant to experience further because it damages her ability to do her job. I suspect she probably made her comments for effect, to project a facade that she is still sweet at heart. It was always the basis for her success, that big smile, and of course, that hot body of hers does not hurt her success either, except of course, I agree with respect to her boob job. I tried to tell her.

An hour is a very long time to spend on the floor of the club drinking in El Infinito, drinks being a less profitable venture for them. What could you have possibly talked about for an hour? She must have been hoping for a big payoff in the privados. I like the fact that you disappointed her for my sake. Thank you for your consideration.

As I said before, I think that originally there was something more between us, regardless of what the skeptics may think. I do believe, especially in the moment, that what I experienced with her was a-typical. And, with respect to the idea that it meant more to me than to her, it meant to me what I desired of my experience in MTY. It made the trips, and the huge relative travel costs, worthwhile.

I would be lying if I said I did not have sentimental feelings for her because you can not get to know someone so intimately, and I do not mean sex, over the course of an entire year, spending a lot of time with her as I did, a week a a time every three weeks, learning about her real life as I did, getting to know them on an entirely different level than strictly P4P, and not develop an attachment. But, more accurately put, I also recongnize my feelings as ones implemented for effect, ones that are necessary in order to make the hi-bred GFE more real.

Were I to seperately consider my feelings for her in the most honest light, with the stark reality of intellectual analysis, I would have to say that she represents a scenario, and that she was the vessel that facilitated the hi-bred GFE. That is very different than one actually having committed emotions that project into a meaningful and committed long term emotionally based relationship. Frankly, I believe she has the very same opinion of me as well.

Remember, I have a life at home, one that has NO room for any kind of legitimized fantasy girl. Intellectually, I realize where fantasy begins and reality ends. But, make no mistake, the experience she delivered is what made the initial trips worth while over the last year, and it is also what would make a return to MTY, even now, worth the travel cost.

But, based on my experience in MTY, I also know first hand the very low likelihood that I would find that same "G" girl scenario in another girl without first spending a lot of money to cultivate new options, both in travel cost, and in expenditures on the ground. My "G" girl was a convenience that did not require me to invest what would be required of me at this juncture to achieve the same thing. So, retirement is almost my only option.

First, the hi-bred GFE distracted her greatly from her huge compulsion to earn money, something she claims she was not able to do with me in the picture, distracting her in many ways. When WastedG was talking to her, she was simply telling him what sounded good, remembering how she represented her feelings before, and attempting to maintain a facade that still makes her seem "sweet," when in reality, as MJ and others are aware, not even having met her, her true personality is one of manipulation and positioning, where the real tactic behind the facade of sweetness is to appeal to her clients for financial gain. That is what she told me she wants and needs to do at this juncture, and I assume she is focused along those lines now, leaving her folly with me behind.

She has a job to do. That is her goal, one that she has told me she has now at this juncture, to play the Cabroness. I don't fault her for using her talents to achieve her goal. That was, and would be fine with me were she to continue to turn on the charm to me and deliver the goods as before, but she tells me she can not do it with me, that there is something more to it. She makes no attempts to cultivate me as a client. But, it simultaneously occurs to me that if all I would have to look forward to is the same attitude from her that is exhibited by all the other girls in MTY, then there is no reason to return.

I got what I desired for a year, and it was great. But, now, her motivations with respect to me are changed, probably because she can not move forward on the one hand, and have the sentimentality we experienced on the other. Were she disengenuous in her feelings, she would be sending me messages, attempting to cultivate me for a bigger payoff. I have had no contact with her. She makes no attempts to cultivate me for any future payoff. She can not mix the two, the ho-ing and the genuiune BFE, and she remains consistent with what she told me initially with respect to her decision to break up.

Intellectually speaking, she has lost my attention because she does not know how to reinvent the facade, how to renew her appeal to me, nor do I believe she wants to, or believes she can afford to do so financially. So, at this stage, she fails to deliver the goods. Why would I return for such disappointment. So, I will remain retired, probably happier in the long run...

Thank you MJ, I was wondering how long it would take for you and/or Carlos to catch on. You did well.

I chose to report the exact conversation rather than simply say to call her for a reason. I did not want to put any words into what she/I said. I wanted to be like th Fox channle. "We report - you decide" ha ha - another BS'ers.

Your observation is what I meant to get out of one of you guys. How do I tell Bob that what he was getting is being offered for all at the lousy cost of 350 pesos?

The club is still talking about my marathon last night. it seems like everyone was aware of we spending the entire evening upstairs that sweet P came back today saying she'll get back to me for spending 92 minutes with Crunchy S. Heck, I was bored.

I noticed again that out of the all dudes in the club, I am the only one who gets 'hola's from the girls on stage. Some wave, other call out my name. And when Juan and Roxana were there, the yelled out "CABRON" for all to hear. Kinda uncomfortable when everyone in the club turn their head to see who the "Cabron" was. today one asked for a smoke. I hated to walk up to the stage. I never do. I usually wave them down from my seat and come to me. Not being arrogant but honestly ashamed to approach the stage.

Wasted

El Cabron 007

10-22-07, 16:16

Yes Bob, you do get it. Bt you only got part one and that is the fact that she is doing her job and playing her games.

But what about you? Why are you so surprised? I mean look at my sweet P. She's delivering her blows to me left and right and I don't know where they're coming from. Sweet P would've been the last person in Monterrey to ever suspect her of being capable of such damage. Slick and precise. I know she is not done with me. But I'll enjoy watch her schemes so long as there is no blood. I think I am proud of her for having it in her. But outchies ...

Them girls are in it for life. It's a do or die situation. They all believe they have a goal to work for 1 year, buy a house or buy a car. I met so many at the beginning of their SC career and I always ask them the same question. They had the same answer "One Year". I have yet to see one that keeps her promise to herself. I've watched them turn from little angles to pro's. Look at Tania. You would not believe what a sweetheart she was when Mr. L scavenged her from El Cielo. And look at her now. A proud walking tall Infinito queen.

So is your G girl. She now walks tall in the club. When she came to join me last night, it was right after she came down from the provados. I asked her to wash her hands and mouth before she sets with me. I jokingly asked her what she has been doing upstairs and Jarra motioned sucking and hand job. That made me sick and I told her to go wash. She obeyed just like a sweet little girl. When she sat with me, she sets like I am her last hope on earth. Very sincere in her moves and will make you feel you need to protect her. Am I right or am I right? This is only because she's, I would say, a friend. I can only imagine her giving service. I know what you're getting from her. I can see how she would make a man feel very very special. But that's what she's good at. It comes to her naturally.

I have a new girl, Crazy S, that I'm falling in love with. I gave up an Obsession threesome with 18 y/o chicas for her. Yet, when she is setting with me telling me how much she loves me, she's also touching Carlos. That bi.tch. And even sweet P; she is being dragged upstairs by some mofo and she waves for me to wait for her. What the heck? Crunchy S always makes sure I see her when she goes upstairs. She gets a thrill out of knowing I am watch her. She's still the hottest girl for me but that's how far it gets. She is so good at keeping her emotions out of the picture yet delivers mind boggling GFE. You have no idea.

I felt bad for some fat girls last night. While in the line up, the hot girls are snatched first and one or two girls are left sanding all alone on stage. The other girls don’t even make it to the stage as they are taken up again by mofo’s waiting for them to come down. But those 2 other girls are still on stage, all alone for the full half hour line up.

I was also wondering about them girls dancing. When they find out it is their turn, they seem to pout. Are they not looking forward to perform so customer can see their talent or is this part of their job that they dread?

Which remind me, when your G girl came down after I told to go wash, Jarra was setting with me and she was supposed to dance. Her name was being called for stage 1. Jarra told her to set down with me. She said she has to dance. He waved her to set down. Now that is special. No? This is not the first time. He had Crunchy S and sweet P skip the line up for me before. And their was this one time, while Precocious was with me, that Tania paid me to pay for her to skip the line up. Interesting. She made me promise that I was not leaving before the line up ends. We ended up leaving together to go visit Sex X at Givenchy’s. What a welcome.

And the fun continues. I better stat packing.

Looking forward to lunch at the Prestige w/ Carlos before I head out to the airport so we can talk more about you :-)

Just just got a call from sweet P. She is coming over. 2 hours before I leave. I wonder what she’s up to.

Wasted

But, WastedG, you failed to indicate that I too caught on.

MonterreyDude

10-22-07, 16:31

How about coming down to Monterrey for fun and just that... fun.

Stop coming down for 8 days (one of the things we told you... big mistake, too much time down here).

Cut it down to Thursday thru Sunday, you are saving 4 hotel nights and 4 days of spending on girls, food, and transportation.

And voila! you'll get a fresh new perspective of coming down to Monterrey... a cheaper, faster one.
No "HI-Bred GFE", but tons of fun for you, and possibly able to establish what you were known for: having many girlfriends at the clubs.

Remember those day when you were admired by the posters here?
You even had more girls than I did!!!

Screw Hi-Bred GFE... say hello to Hi-Bred BFE (Boyfriend Experience) for them.
Make them want you to be their boyfriend...
Wasted and I were discussing that last night, that we are not getting a GFE, THEY are getting a BFE and they are just corresponding.

That is why the gang (RTW, Wasted, Mr. L, and many more visitors to Mty) can get girls faster than you now: In their delusion that the girls have that they are controling the situation, they feel they are getting what they have been looking for, a good boyfriend experience with a customer.

Your new attitude, your supposedly "cabron" attitude is anoying them into thinking that you want full control when you have to make them think they are the masters.

This has to do with you being the "phsycologist to the ho's" where you want to manipulate by force instead of letting the business flow as it is supposed too.

You used to do this in your early years as a visitor to Monterrey.

Can you do it again???

But, WastedG, you failed to indicate that I too caught on. Did I not say that I did not believe her? She has made no attempts to contact me. I am not that hard to find were she being genuine. I don't buy her lines. And, yes, she is a ho, and she wants to be a ho, money is her motivator, but it can not be shown that money was the motivator with me, at least not then. The numbers don't lie. But, after having been disappointed by her, I am reluctant to consider returning to Monterrey, being treated in ways that make me more disappointed upon leaving, more so than when I arrived.

For those that live in Monterrey, the game is entirely different. It is not so easily played, especially my way, by the out of town visitor. WastedG plays the game differently than I, and he has different desires and expectations. Perhaps someone traveling to Monterrey from somewhere as close as Houston has a hope of playing the game more similiarly to a local, but in my case, the effort and relative expense required to play the game the way I enjoy it is monumental.

So, I choose to continue believing that she has morphed further into being something that appeals to me less at this juncture. I don't say that she was a "good" girl before, but I believe she has become significantly more mercenary than when I originally met her.

I do not believe she was running a game on me when we were together...what game??? The time commitment she made, and at the price points given, tells the story. I believe legitimate feelings for me existed, but I also simultaneously believe that she is incrementally becoming less of what I liked about her intitally, more the hardened mercenary, and that is what she desires, to expand her business...that is what she told me she wants to do, that by spending time with me, by endulging her BFE, it was damaging her business and sabotaging her future. I believe she saw me that same way I saw her, as a vessel whereby fantasy times were delivered and enjoyed.

So be it...that realization does not make me want to return, only to find a hardened, mercenary girl, one that is simply a remnant of the one I first met a year ago, one whose hi-bred GFE is now only to be compared to what is offered by every other ho in MTY. So, ok, now she appeals to the masses, and the masses will have her, fake boobs and all.

I am NOT so naive as to believe that she was anything but a ho before. She is a ho, and always has been. But, she was much more desireable before, when I was getting what I liked.

But, that having been said....I come to Precocious One's post in the "Regular Members" Section.

Precocious One,

Thank you for the update with respect to my "G" girl. First, for a girl to spend an hour on "drinks," on the floor of El Infinito is very rare. I am not sure of the significance of that, but it makes me wonder about the full content of your conversations with her.

I suspect that she is just simply attempting to maintain the facade that she is still a "sweetheart" by seeming to sentimentally reminisce about something she is reluctant to experience further because it damages her ability to do her job. I suspect she probably made her comments for effect, to project a facade that she is still sweet at heart. It was always the basis for her success, that big smile, and of course, that hot body of hers does not hurt her success either, except of course, I agree with respect to her boob job. I tried to tell her.

An hour is a very long time to spend on the floor of the club drinking in El Infinito, drinks being a less profitable venture for them. What could you have possibly talked about for an hour? She must have been hoping for a big payoff in the privados. I like the fact that you disappointed her for my sake. Thank you for your consideration.

As I said before, I think that originally there was something more between us, regardless of what the skeptics may think. I do believe, especially in the moment, that what I experienced with her was a-typical. And, with respect to the idea that it meant more to me than to her, it meant to me what I desired of my experience in MTY. It made the trips, and the huge relative travel costs, worthwhile.

I would be lying if I said I did not have sentimental feelings for her because you can not get to know someone so intimately, and I do not mean sex, over the course of an entire year, spending a lot of time with her as I did, a week a a time every three weeks, learning about her real life as I did, getting to know them on an entirely different level than strictly P4P, and not develop an attachment. But, more accurately put, I also recongnize my feelings as ones implemented for effect, ones that are necessary in order to make the hi-bred GFE more real.

Were I to seperately consider my feelings for her in the most honest light, with the stark reality of intellectual analysis, I would have to say that she represents a scenario, and that she was the vessel that facilitated the hi-bred GFE. That is very different than one actually having committed emotions that project into a meaningful and committed long term emotionally based relationship. Frankly, I believe she has the very same opinion of me as well.

Remember, I have a life at home, one that has NO room for any kind of legitimized fantasy girl. Intellectually, I realize where fantasy begins and reality ends. But, make no mistake, the experience she delivered is what made the initial trips worth while over the last year, and it is also what would make a return to MTY, even now, worth the travel cost.

But, based on my experience in MTY, I also know first hand the very low likelihood that I would find that same "G" girl scenario in another girl without first spending a lot of money to cultivate new options, both in travel cost, and in expenditures on the ground. My "G" girl was a convenience that did not require me to invest what would be required of me at this juncture to achieve the same thing. So, retirement is almost my only option.

First, the hi-bred GFE distracted her greatly from her huge compulsion to earn money, something she claims she was not able to do with me in the picture, distracting her in many ways. When WastedG was talking to her, she was simply telling him what sounded good, remembering how she represented her feelings before, and attempting to maintain a facade that still makes her seem "sweet," when in reality, as MJ and others are aware, not even having met her, her true personality is one of manipulation and positioning, where the real tactic behind the facade of sweetness is to appeal to her clients for financial gain. That is what she told me she wants and needs to do at this juncture, and I assume she is focused along those lines now, leaving her folly with me behind.

She has a job to do. That is her goal, one that she has told me she has now at this juncture, to play the Cabroness. I don't fault her for using her talents to achieve her goal. That was, and would be fine with me were she to continue to turn on the charm to me and deliver the goods as before, but she tells me she can not do it with me, that there is something more to it. She makes no attempts to cultivate me as a client. But, it simultaneously occurs to me that if all I would have to look forward to is the same attitude from her that is exhibited by all the other girls in MTY, then there is no reason to return.

I got what I desired for a year, and it was great. But, now, her motivations with respect to me are changed, probably because she can not move forward on the one hand, and have the sentimentality we experienced on the other. Were she disengenuous in her feelings, she would be sending me messages, attempting to cultivate me for a bigger payoff. I have had no contact with her. She makes no attempts to cultivate me for any future payoff. She can not mix the two, the ho-ing and the genuiune BFE, and she remains consistent with what she told me initially with respect to her decision to break up.

Intellectually speaking, she has lost my attention because she does not know how to reinvent the facade, how to renew her appeal to me, nor do I believe she wants to, or believes she can afford to do so financially. So, at this stage, she fails to deliver the goods. Why would I return for such disappointment. So, I will remain retired, probably happier in the long run...

MonterreyDude

10-22-07, 16:36

Wasted says: "Which remind me, when your G girl came down after I told to go wash, Jarra was setting with me and she was supposed to dance. Her name was being called for stage 1. Jarra told her to set down with me. She said she has to dance. He waved her to set down. Now that is special. No? This is not the first time. He had Crunchy S and sweet P skip the line up for me before."

Sorry to tell you, but they charge you for that, 3 privados... Jaras is not know for a heart that gives things for free.....

Yes Bob, you do get it. Bt you only got part one and that is the fact that she is doing her job and playing her games.

But what about you? Why are you so surprised? I mean look at my sweet P. She's delivering her blows to me left and right and I don't know where they're coming from. Sweet P would've been the last person in Monterrey to ever suspect her of being capable of such damage. Slick and precise. I know she is not done with me. But I'll enjoy watch her schemes so long as there is no blood. I think I am proud of her for having it in her. But outchies ...

Them girls are in it for life. It's a do or die situation. They all believe they have a goal to work for 1 year, buy a house or buy a car. I met so many at the beginning of their SC career and I always ask them the same question. They had the same answer "One Year". I have yet to see one that keeps her promise to herself. I've watched them turn from little angles to pro's. Look at Tania. You would not believe what a sweetheart she was when Mr. L scavenged her from El Cielo. And look at her now. A proud walking tall Infinito queen.

So is your G girl. She now walks tall in the club. When she came to join me last night, it was right after she came down from the provados. I asked her to wash her hands and mouth before she sets with me. I jokingly asked her what she has been doing upstairs and Jarra motioned sucking and hand job. That made me sick and I told her to go wash. She obeyed just like a sweet little girl. When she sat with me, she sets like I am her last hope on earth. Very sincere in her moves and will make you feel you need to protect her. Am I right or am I right? This is only because she's, I would say, a friend. I can only imagine her giving service. I know what you're getting from her. I can see how she would make a man feel very very special. But that's what she's good at. It comes to her naturally.

I have a new girl, Crazy S, that I'm falling in love with. I gave up an Obsession threesome with 18 y/o chicas for her. Yet, when she is setting with me telling me how much she loves me, she's also touching Carlos. That bi.tch. And even sweet P; she is being dragged upstairs by some mofo and she waves for me to wait for her. What the heck? Crunchy S always makes sure I see her when she goes upstairs. She gets a thrill out of knowing I am watch her. She's still the hottest girl for me but that's how far it gets. She is so good at keeping her emotions out of the picture yet delivers mind boggling GFE. You have no idea.

I felt bad for some fat girls last night. While in the line up, the hot girls are snatched first and one or two girls are left sanding all alone on stage. The other girls don’t even make it to the stage as they are taken up again by mofo’s waiting for them to come down. But those 2 other girls are still on stage, all alone for the full half hour line up.

I was also wondering about them girls dancing. When they find out it is their turn, they seem to pout. Are they not looking forward to perform so customer can see their talent or is this part of their job that they dread?

Which remind me, when your G girl came down after I told to go wash, Jarra was setting with me and she was supposed to dance. Her name was being called for stage 1. Jarra told her to set down with me. She said she has to dance. He waved her to set down. Now that is special. No? This is not the first time. He had Crunchy S and sweet P skip the line up for me before. And their was this one time, while Precocious was with me, that Tania paid me to pay for her to skip the line up. Interesting. She made me promise that I was not leaving before the line up ends. We ended up leaving together to go visit Sex X at Givenchy’s. What a welcome.

And the fun continues. I better stat packing.

Looking forward to lunch at the Prestige w/ Carlos before I head out to the airport so we can talk more about you :-)

Just just got a call from sweet P. She is coming over. 2 hours before I leave. I wonder what she’s up to.

Wasted

El Cabron 007

10-22-07, 16:41

No carlos. The usual charge is 6 to 8 privados, which I have opted to pay a few times with Crazy S and sexy X. But my last night tab was only 72 pesos. My drink and G girl's. And I watch my tab very carefully every time.

Wasted says: "Which remind me, when your G girl came down after I told to go wash, Jarra was setting with me and she was supposed to dance. Her name was being called for stage 1. Jarra told her to set down with me. She said she has to dance. He waved her to set down. Now that is special. No? This is not the first time. He had Crunchy S and sweet P skip the line up for me before."

Sorry to tell you, but they charge you for that, 3 privados... Jaras is not know for a heart that gives things for free.....

MonterreyDude

10-22-07, 17:00

OH... I see Jaras is in love with you too!!!

No carlos. The usual charge is 6 to 8 privados, which I have opted to pay a few times with Crazy S and sexy X. But my last night tab was only 72 pesos. My drink and G girl's. And I watch my tab very carefully every time.

Member #3453

10-22-07, 17:13

Ok, lets look at the cost of 4 days....16,000 pesos, more or less, including airfare and hotel. That's if I spend on the girls on salida, and in the clubs, taking them back with me like I used to, back in the day.

See, it's the cost of travel. While it is true that a lesser number of days is less expensive in hotel cost, the airfare is the same. Really, the money isn't too much of an issue. It is more a matter of weighing the satisfaction level I can anticipate compared to my "G" girl versus the price of the trip.

Plus, what would I be returning to? None of you will believe me when I tell of my "G" girls approach to me. I can only tell you that it really has nothing to do with sex. All of you refer to her abilities...Nobody knows like I do, but the sex is NOT it. Sure, her abilities are mechanically sound, but there is something else that is immeasurable in the mix.

It occurs to me that she was compelled to get rid of me or lose her job. She told me of her boss being angry with her, and how she was bucking them, skipping work, spending her time with me, they losing money on the whole scenario. Until I bar fined the other girl, she did not care, she told me it went in one ear and out the other...she is good at that too.

No, retirement is that only way to get out of this. If I come back, I will only see her working in the bar, and it will make me sad. I have many, many years frolilcking in MTY. I know what is otherwise available, and how that would pale in comparison. Thank you for trying.

Thank you for the kind invitation. If I can not have it the way I had it before, everything will simply pale in comparison. I will, of course, miss my amigos. But, I have to weigh what it is I would be returning to, girls like "N" that make all kinds of promises, etc...

I know you all think I am dilusional with respect to "G", but I assure you I am not.

How about coming down to Monterrey for fun and just that... fun.

Stop coming down for 8 days (one of the things we told you... big mistake, too much time down here).

Cut it down to Thursday thru Sunday, you are saving 4 hotel nights and 4 days of spending on girls, food, and transportation.

And voila! you'll get a fresh new perspective of coming down to Monterrey... a cheaper, faster one.
No "HI-Bred GFE", but tons of fun for you, and possibly able to establish what you were known for: having many girlfriends at the clubs.

Remember those day when you were admired by the posters here?
You even had more girls than I did!!!

Screw Hi-Bred GFE... say hello to Hi-Bred BFE (Boyfriend Experience) for them.
Make them want you to be their boyfriend...
Wasted and I were discussing that last night, that we are not getting a GFE, THEY are getting a BFE and they are just corresponding.

That is why the gang (RTW, Wasted, Mr. L, and many more visitors to Mty) can get girls faster than you now: In their delusion that the girls have that they are controling the situation, they feel they are getting what they have been looking for, a good boyfriend experience with a customer.

Your new attitude, your supposedly "cabron" attitude is anoying them into thinking that you want full control when you have to make them think they are the masters.

This has to do with you being the "phsycologist to the ho's" where you want to manipulate by force instead of letting the business flow as it is supposed too.

You used to do this in your early years as a visitor to Monterrey.

Can you do it again???

Member #3453

10-22-07, 17:45

And, in response to Precocious One's recent post in the Regular Members Section, we discussed the prospect of her selecting a "novia" several times. She always told me she suspected her girlfriend, who lives in TJ, was gay, and she actually dreamed about girls on occassion, but according to her, not often. She always told me that she was not Gay...but, of course, how can you believe a bar girl, right? I think, based on what she told me about her opinions of men, I believe she finally concluded that a Novia is the only option for a girl like her, so she opted for it, especially when I bar fined the other girl.

My knowning a girl who is possibly bi, possibly gay, wanting the companionship she can not find in a man, not particularly bi or gay sexually, IMHO, but willing to give her body in exchange what she believes she can not find in the average male with respect to affection and love, exclusivity, devotion, especially in Mexico...it is all part of her diagnosis.

The realities of this psychological rats nest is more than even I can comprehend and resolve or fully understand...and, I enjoy the psychological part of it. But, suffice it to say, this psychological part of her makeup is what prompted her to give me "special" treatment, I believe.

Afterall, I treated her differently than any guy has up to that point. And when encouraged to act the Cabron with her, I was always careful not to, to perpetuate the conditions for GFE with her.

I know her well enough to believe, for what it's all worth, and it isn't worth much, that she saw in me a "devotional quality" that she could not otherwise find, that according to her, was something of paramount importance, and it had no sexual component.

Hence the long periods of time spent with me, the two of us doing all kinds of non-sexual things...But, she also delivered the sex in a blissful, and I believe, an enhanced, passionate manner as a result of my emotional commitment to her.

By my demonstrating the commitment with my own willingness to be with her long time, and to prefer her company, something that I was not acting out, it made her feel whole, whole with a man.

Now, admitedly, my devotion was a little flawed, because I still bar fined other girls. But, with someone in that state of mind, to her, I believe, ignorance was bliss. When the bar fine of the other girl occurred, and was disclosed, the entire scenario came crashing down around me.

Frankly guys, knowing her has been the biggest psychological roller coaster of my life. And, Carlos, you thought Cindy #1 was bad. Cindy #1 one is a healthy dose of sanity in comparion frankly. But, it doesn't change my "G" girls ability to make me happy when I was in Monterrey. Because of her devotion to me, the non-sexual things, it made all others seemingly pale in comparison.

I know most of you will not understand these issues. Many will think I am totally dilusional about her motives with me, but I was watching the real gage of relative reality the entire year, the cost versus time ratio.

I do believe I have encountered the psychological condition that I described in here, and I actually do believe it is quite common among bar girls in general, along with the ones that are actually quite lesbian. But, IMHO, I believe there are just as many that are just like my "G" girl, scorned, and looking for some alternative to their tortured psychological dilemmas.

I capitalized on my "G" girl's state of mind because I recongnized it as such, and I believe I held it together for almost a year. Keep in mind, she was with me until she talked to the girlfriend in TJ by cell phone the night after I told her of the bar fine of another girl. Right up until that very moment, she was still with me, right up until she was influenced psychologically by the novia.

Her now novia has tremendous sway over her, and I believe she has convinced my "G" girl, in light of my transgressions, that she can fulfill her needs. But, I also firmly believe that she believed for a year that I was fulfilling her needs, and as a male, something she preferred psychologically to having a novia.

There is so much more dialogue between us, stuff that I factors into my over all assessement of her diagnosis. But suffice it to say, psychology is not a science, IMHO. It is all guesses, subject to a bar girl spin being placed on everything. I am retired for good reason...and may even consider retirement from ISG to futher my own treatment, especially after trying to process this psychologically confusing scenario.

Mill Just

10-22-07, 17:46

I'm not much of a country music fan, but this post of Uno's reminds me of an old hillbilly ballad called, "Too far gone..."

and I believe it applies here...

Thank you for the kind invitation. If I can not have it the way I had it before, everything will simply pale in comparison. I will, of course, miss my amigos. But, I have to weigh what it is I would be returning to, girls like "N" that make all kinds of promises, etc...

I know you all think I am dilusional with respect to "G", but I assure you I am not.

MonterreyDude

10-22-07, 17:57

I didn't want an analysis of trips past.

I was pointing out that you should consider for future trips... you know, start from scratch, square one... you should try again 4 days-3 nights, no more.

Ok, lets look at the cost of 4 days....16,000 pesos, more or less, including airfare and hotel. That's if I spend on the girls on salida, and in the clubs, taking them back with me like I used to, back in the day.

See, it's the cost of travel. While it is true that a lesser number of days is less expensive in hotel cost, the airfare is the same. Really, the money isn't too much of an issue. It is more a matter of weighing the satisfaction level I can anticipate compared to my "G" girl versus the price of the trip.

Plus, what would I be returning to? None of you will believe me when I tell of my "G" girls approach to me. I can only tell you that it really has nothing to do with sex. All of you refer to her abilities...Nobody knows like I do, but the sex is NOT it. Sure, her abilities are mechanically sound, but there is something else that is immeasurable in the mix.

It occurs to me that she was compelled to get rid of me or lose her job. She told me of her boss being angry with her, and how she was bucking them, skipping work, spending her time with me, they losing money on the whole scenario. Until I bar fined the other girl, she did not care, she told me it went in one ear and out the other...she is good at that too.

No, retirement is that only way to get out of this. If I come back, I will only see her working in the bar, and it will make me sad. I have many, many years frolilcking in MTY. I know what is otherwise available, and how that would pale in comparison. Thank you for trying.

Thank you for the kind invitation. If I can not have it the way I had it before, everything will simply pale in comparison. I will, of course, miss my amigos. But, I have to weigh what it is I would be returning to, girls like "N" that make all kinds of promises, etc...

I know you all think I am dilusional with respect to "G", but I assure you I am not.

MonterreyDude

10-22-07, 18:00

USB says: "And, Carlos, you thought Cindy #1 was bad"

NO... Cindy #1 IS bad... and USB is in the wrong track.

USB says: "Frankly guys, knowing her has been the biggest psychological roller coaster of my life."

A roller coaster you willingly and openly got on, inspite of reading the warning signs clearly marked in front of you, and a ride you refused to get off inspite our well intended advise.

And the worse part of it, is that Iam starting to belive that you think that you are the only one that has gone thru this...

I have gone thru it twice in 25 years.
Wasted suffered that too in his early visits.
You talked about a guy that wrote to you.
I had a guy writting to me too.
One of my Yahoo members.
One member from "another forum".

And I believe we are still at it... our pain is long gone.

And, in response to Precocious One's recent post in the Regular Members Section, we discussed her "novia" many times. She always told me she suspected her girlfriend, who lives in TJ, was gay, and she actually dreamed about girls on occassion, but according to her, not often. She always told me that she was not Gay...but, of course, how can you believe a bar girl, right? I think, based on what she told me about her opinions of men, that a Novia is the only option for a girl like her, so she opted for it, especially when I bar fined the other girl. Who knows...It all gives me a headache.

I am also contemplating retirement from ISG as well. The entire scenario seems to be a detriment to me in general. My knowning a girl who is possibly bi, possibly gay, wanting the companionship she can not find in a man, not particularly bi or gay sexually, IMHO, but willing to give her body in exchange what she believes she can not find in the average male with respect to affection and love, esclusivity, devotion, especially in Mexico.

Frankly guys, knowing her has been the biggest psychological roller coaster of my life. And, Carlos, you thought Cindy #1 was bad.

Member #3453

10-22-07, 20:26

Well, the ride is coming to an end now...And, posting it here in the USB Section will prove to be a testimonial to all, a completely documented synoposis of what can and does happen routinely when dealing with these girls.

Mine is a very common story. The details of this saga have more relevance with respect to the art of mongering, and how to survive the ride, more so than most of what will be routinely read in the Monterrey Section.

I have been considering it all afternoon, the scenario and its many aspects. It occurs to me that regardless of what is, or was, really going on with respect to my "G" girl, whether you believe that she was sincere with me emotionally, or simply running a game on me, the complete story, from start to finish is of significant value for all mongers to read, especially the newbies, or those coming down to Monterrey, or anywhere else, especially on an infrequent basis.

Here is how I have resolved the issue psychologically and emotionally in my own mind. For the times I saw her, it was perfect in every way, but also a total and complete lie, not because she was intending it to be so necessarily, not because I believe she consciously targeted me emotionally, but because it has no substance beyond the moment, which was what I always said from the very beginning.

And, I also said, it has no meaning within the context of my "real" life. I still have my "real" life, and those events in Monterrey with "G" girl, while I will miss being the object of her affections, are merely a fantasy, akin to a dream state for me. The difficulty is not realizing what was lost, but realizing the depth of experience I enjoyed when I was with her, and reconciling what I do not have in my "real" life, the attentions of a 24 year old, HOT bodied stripper, who showed me the absolute deepest emotional affection I have experienced to date, over a thousand girls.

My challenge at this juncture, however, is no different than what I previously articulated many times before. Her delivery was so superb, that to attempt to revisit Monterrey with equal expectations would be to sabatage my potential for satisfaction prior to my eventual return, provided I choose to make a return.

So, I have concluded that, just as Carlos has suggested, if I were to return, I would have to start from scratch again, wipe the slate clean, and return with no expectations. It is hard to do that. One has to be very disciplined to voluntarily spend the money, knowing full well that the quality of the delivery is not going to equal what I enjoyed for a year.

That is truly the dilemma, not what so many believe was the emotional or psychological toll on me, what she may or may not have intentionally put me through. The true dilemma for me, is NOT realizing that what I had with her is gone, or a lie, etc...but it comes in knowing that the same illusion is NOT routinely available in Monterrey. I can deal with the illusion being an illusion, the lie being a lie, but when considering a return, it is very difficult to make the investment when you know that the same satisfaction level does not exist in Monterrey, at least not with the same ease at which I was formerly enjoying it. In that I am 100% sure after having taken so many of them on salida.

Additionally, it occurs to me that the disappointment of making a trip and enjoying it less is counter productive. In addition, allowing myself the hi-bred GFE by my continuing to fraternize with these girls from an emotional and psychological perspective, only serves to disappointment me in the end, and as a result, it also causes me to conclude that I would be better off never having known them to begin with.

That conclusion has me reconsidering whether to ever return. It is not a matter of loss, but a matter of emotional and psychological contentedness in the future. Ask yourself this question, when you choose to monger, do you only want sex, or is it something deeper that you seek, something that is certainly linked to sex, but not necessarily the sex in and of itself?

Because, if you are like me, you are in constant emotional and psychological danger if you do not go into it with your head totally prepared for what you might find. I was always totally intellectually prepared, but still, even after all the time spent, after all the girls I have bar fined, all over the world, I was still unprepared for the charms of my "G" girl, charms that I still believe had validity in the moment...and, that belief is what set me up. I should never have entertained that belief, whether it was legit or not.

What is important for me to consider is this. If I choose to return, the most important thing will be to complete a metamorphisis emotionally and psychologically with respect to how I play the game. To adopt the Cabron attitude is probably the very best strategy for those of us that are emotionally susceptible to the "charms" of these girls, even more so than for those that find they are not emotionally or psychologically susceptible to them. And, with most girls, I am simply not vulnerable. But, "G" girl just proved the exception.

And, literally, as I said before, I do not believe my "G" girl set out to hurt me per se. I do believe she loves me even now. I set myself up. I believe that I hurt myself by allowing her to become too close to me, by not being the Cabron to begin with. It was quite an experiment from the very beginning, and I learned a lot. It was a challenge to me, an attempt to actually romance a bar girl into an emotionally legitimate companion. I believe I accomplished that goal. But, I did so at my own ultimate demise. I hope others will learn from my errors, from my vulnerabilties, from my miscalculations, from my misguided goals and objectives, etc...

But, now I have to decide in my heart of hearts whether returning to expose myself to that environment is more detrimental to me psychologically and emotionally than to insulate myself from it by remaining in my "real" life. It occurs to me that if all I have to anticipate from some girls is more of the same, and assuming also that I modify my own expectations for quality of session, and including a transition of my own emotional and psychological vulnerabilties, then it is quite possible that my desire to participate in the hobby has been damaged as a result of my time with my "G" girl. I have to sort it out. I will get back to you all...

USB says: "And, Carlos, you thought Cindy #1 was bad"

NO... Cindy #1 IS bad... and USB is in the wrong track.

USB says: "Frankly guys, knowing her has been the biggest psychological roller coaster of my life."

A roller coaster you willingly and openly got on, inspite of reading the warning signs clearly marked in front of you, and a ride you refused to get off inspite our well intended advise.

And the worse part of it, is that Iam starting to belive that you think that you are the only one that has gone thru this...

I have gone thru it twice in 25 years.
Wasted suffered that too in his early visits.
You talked about a guy that wrote to you.
I had a guy writting to me too.
One of my Yahoo members.
One member from "another forum".

And I believe we are still at it... our pain is long gone.

Mill Just

10-23-07, 07:09

Here are just a few things I'll toss out after reading the last few posts in this section:

Cost/Reward

My first 8 months mongering in Mexico were spent just like most of the guys here, coming once a month to Morelia for mongering runs. I normally spent aprox. 10,000 pesos for airfare, hotel, food and other misc. items. Then, factor in the chicas and we're talking about a substantial amount of money dished out every month or 6 weeks. In order to get my money's worth, I would have to have either a good volume of sessions or some really great quality sessions. Otherwise, the cost/reward ratio doesn't pay off and it makes no sense to fly out to Mexico.

Here is where I understand Uno's reasoning completely. If he's not happy with what he finds, regardless of whether that lack of happiness is his own doing, then there is no reason to come back. I know if I weren't happy with either the service or the selection, there wouldn't be any reason to make the investment in coming to monger in Mexico. Believe it or not there are some pretty decent escorts in the 300-400 range in the US who are hot and provide solid service- and you get to have that service in your own city where you're sure of what you'll get.

The benefit of mongering in Mexico is in the relative low cost of the service and the promise of getting a more personalized service. Take either one of those factors out of the equation and Mexico becomes less and less of an option.

Mr. White v.s. Mr. Blonde (The Reservoir Dogs Theory)

For those of you who are fans of the movie "Reservoir Dogs," this will make sense; for those who aren't, this will be kinda opaque. Anyway, here it goes:

Mr. White had a valiant heart, he was a hero doing things that weren't very heroic (much like most of us mongers). However, his valiant heart and sense of fair play interfered with his common sense as he sheltered and defended the undercover cop, Mr. Orange, who he insisted was on the up-and-up.

Mr. Blonde, on the other hand, was an aggressive, instinctual "cabron" who just didn't give a rat's ass . His ultimate goal was to save his own ass and ultimately get what he wants. He was a 'bro" to his friends, but all business when it came to, well, business.

This is a fair analogy for us mongers as some of us are so stuck on playing the nice guy that we just simply get in our own way and prevent ourselves from getting legit, good service. We are so pretzel-tied into thinking about what's "right" that we forget what's real and where we're at. On the other hand, some of us are just pricks, in it for ourselves and rolling over whoever gets in the way of us having a good time.

The difference between the two is that Mr. White, the honor-bound anti-hero, gets killed knowing that he was betrayed. His last thought was one of feeling betrayal. Mr. Blonde, the cabron, gets killed while doing what he wanted, knowing that he wasn't anybody's ***** or patsy.

Notice, though, that both Mr. White and Mr. Blonde get killed in the end. That is also a good analogy for us because mongering is ultimately a dead-end. Only so many hotties can be screwed , only so many frustrations can be tolerated and sometimes, you just get bored. But the question here, guys, is:
Do you want to go out like Mr. White- betrayed all along and knowing that your demise was due to you taking a p-u-t-a's word as gospel; or do you want to go out like Mr. Blonde- doing what you gotta do to make YOURSELF happy, all the while with your middle finger raised straight up in the air?

A Word For My Buddy, Uno:

Stop getting in your own way. Stop stepping on your own feet. Stop living inside your own thought process. Being melancholy and deflated in a room of happy and content men is very unbecoming of a man of your skills. Snap out of it, grab the nearest w-h-o-r-e, and work out all the angst on her. This is not rocket science, don't complicate things so much. When you relax and stop being so anal about your "Hi-Bred GFE, Super Duper Fuck-o-matic" service, you just may find that happiness was within your grasp all along.

Many guys get the service you like and many have lost it afterwards. I'll share my own story later. The point is that its never as important to the chicas as it was to us. THEY are not the ones pining away and developing philosophies about what happened. THEY are on to the next one and the next one and the next one...etc. WE, the customers, should do the same.

In the long run, its our coin and all the songs in the jukebox are there for OUR amusement...

El Cabron 007

10-23-07, 09:09

I want to take those two phrases and frame them:

1) or do you want to go out like Mr. Blonde- doing what you gotta do to make YOURSELF happy, all the while with your middle finger raised straight up in the air?

2)THEY are not the ones pining away and developing philosophies about what happened.

El Cabron 007

10-23-07, 09:24

Call it what you want. He kicks out guys at my table when I arrive. He lets girls skip the lineup and the dance to stay with me. When I ask him about a girl, he goes to the privado entrance and yells out for her. damm. That's cool. I remember on of the waiters stood in line for me to get my little china girl but he did not wait, he made her ditch all the guys who were waiting for her to come down.

Jara makes me lool like a high roller wanna be :-) at the cost of an Inifinito level club. I feel safe when I am out alone knowing the entire club is watching out for me. that did not sounds good or right.

I pay him back once in a while with a 50 pesos tip. He always comes to see me before he heads out looking for a tip. But I keep him guessing. Like I said, I only tip him every once in a while.

I once got him something he asked me for from the US for $9 USD. He let sexy X enter the Infinito when no girls were not allowed in and she stayed for 2 hours when I only asked for 5 minutes. That's why I got him a good bottle this trip. He's smart though. There are things he refuses to allow me. I guess I sometimes ask for a bit too much.

OH... I see Jaras is in love with you too!!!

Member #3453

10-23-07, 10:09

Here are just a few things I'll toss out after reading the last few posts in this section:

You call that a long post??? :D Thank you for your eloquence. The conclusions you wrote are so illustrative of my current thoughts at this juncture, and I found a lot of comfort in reading them. Thank you so much for that. I concur with everything you said, and will add to it here. Hopefully, my comments will not seem to be too dramatically dismal, but of one thing I am sure, my conclusions are totally accurate.

Ya' know, Carlos often refers to these girls as "these CRAZY girls," and it was never so vivid a statement as it is to me these days. He always says "Pay no attention to them, not to what they say, and not to what they do."

Take them all, "V" at the Harem (the drama queen), Cindy #1 (the stabber), Angry Girl (the vindictive), and my "G" girl (the confused angel), every single one of these girls is totally and completely, emotionally and psychologically, so confused and fucked up that their thought processes and behaviors defy logical explanation, reason, intelligent clinical diagnosis, etc...The girls are so self destructive that to even stand next to them there is danger of your own emotional and psychological demise right along with them.

It occurs to me that as a monger, perhaps we are all to some degree damaged goods ourselves as a result, emotionally and psychologically speaking, each of us in our individual ways, and to varying degrees. But, I know one damned thing after having fraternized with these girls, growing far too close to a few of them over time. After having gotten literally too close to the fire with some of them, and learning the "frightening" realities first hand, I can uncategorically say that we mongers are a totally sane lot in general, and that most of us are bastions of stability in comparison to them.

I think the important lesson occurs when one realizes exactly what we are dealing with when we consort with these girls, and more importantly, how our own vulnerabilities are magnified when we allow ourselves to get too close to "insanity incarnate," never mind the standard bar girl manipulations warnings you routinely hear.

This is going to sound overly dramatic, with a hint of science fiction and biblical sermonizm, and I don't really mean to sound so harsh, but...

Their outward appearances are so misleading....It is almost biblical to realize that what lives inside most of these girls is either pure evil incarnate, psychological insanity, emotional instability, or varying degrees of all three rolled into one personality. And, that were we to actually get a glimpse of their hearts, minds, and souls, apart from their beautiful, sexy, alluring bodies, all of which is their facade, we would likely be horrified to the inth degree as we gaze upon the stark reality of what lives inside those beautiful bodies and pretty faces. For some, the realities are quite ugly, and others of them would have our deep and abiding pitty, and sincere sentimental regret, over knowing the true realities, the tortured souls that they truly are. With others of them, the evil of the lot, I doubt seriously that most of us could even bring ourselves to touch them were we to get an actual glimpse of their true being.

As you stated, those of us that have a heart, are decent men in all other respects, deviating only occassionally from responsible, intelligent, faithful, stable, and otherwise totally legitimate lives and lifestyles, and we flirt with disaster if we don't put up our own shields when we choose to monger and consort with these girls.

I for one, certainly know better than to go down the road I just came off of, and in this most recent instance, I was somewhat blindsided, even as my amigos attempted to warn me. I was intellectually prepared for the obvious, but not emotionally prepared for what I believe were the sincere, all be they ulitmately damaging, aspects of my "G" girls personality upon me. Their warnings to me only foretold of the generic bar girl kinds of behaviors, and not of the legitimate underlying emotional and pschological toll delivered innocently upon the two of us by one another, mostly as a result of my treading more deeply into the details of her life, and developing a closer relationship with her. My amigos gave me sound advise, but they don't know the half of the reality I know with respect to my "G" girl, a reality I wish I was totally oblivious to.

I do not believe that my "G" girl intended any harm to me. I believe she loves me still in her own bar girl way, within the context of my emotional diagnosis of what motivated her attentions to begin with. I don't believe that she would ever intentionally knowingly harm me in any way, quite the opposite. She is not, and did not then, calculate her toll upon me as this was going on. As emotionally and psychological warped as she most certainly is, I know that what we both experienced was quite satisfying in the moment, each of us satisfying our own demons, and that the desire to live in the comfort of that reality was so alluring that it continued for almost a year.

It only promised disaster in the end, and I knew it the more entrenched I became, the more information about her life I became aware of, etc...But, ignorance was absolute bliss. She was like a drug. I think these girls can very easily be compared to a drug addiction. I am not, nor have I ever been into drugs. But, make no mistake, we are, all of us, addicted to certain aspects of this hobby, and it is most definitely a drug. Were I a truly wise man, I would walk away from the hobby and never look back. Perhaps some of you know just how true that statement really is for your own selves, because I can see it vividly now for myself.

One must always realize that the toll is so great, the emotional and psychological taunting so misleadingly intoxicating, that to maintain one's intellectual vigilance, so as not to get burned, is still flirting very dangerously with emotional and psychological disaster, regardless of whether you believe yourself to be the Cabron or not. Because, literally, attempting to negotiate the cracks and crevises of their hearts, minds, and souls, will find you ultimately in the abis yourself unless you are very careful, and I am not talking about the generic bar girl manipulations that go on so obviously in front of us. The standard bar girl manipulations are childs play.

The hi-bred GFE reveals to me that it is like these girls are carrying psychologically and emotionally communicable diseases, and to get too close to them, in any way, risks our own inevitable emotional infection and psychological corruption. I have learned this lesson several times already, but not to the extent that I learned it this time, and still I am susceptible to it, my most recent example being at the hands of my "G" girl, an emotional infection contracted from her, one that I do not believe she ever intended to deliver. It is just a result of having been in too close a proximity to her life, and receiving a glimpse of the reality of her true being, and ultimately being a casualty of her instability.

Certainly, the standard warnings that we receive about the manipulative nature of bar girls, etc...applies. But, I am here to testify that the generic manipulations are just the tip of the iceburg. It is not the generic manipulative nature of the average bar girl that I am afraid of, it is all the otherwise harmlessly appearing aspects of even knowing them at all. The generic warnings are a distraction from the true reality of what you are getting yourself into if you get too close. One must always be expecting the obvious from these girls, certainly, but the real danger lies simply in the innocent emotional and psychological damage they do, delivered with sincerity by them, sometime with actual love and sincere affection, without any intention of doing harm to you or themselves.

You know, you often hear mongering wisdom that says all females engage in P4P to some degree, to get what they want in life, etc...Some say it doesn't matter if they are wives, legitimate girlfriends, etc...I used to think this is true, that such mongering wisdom had a ring of truth to it. But, my philosophy has changed.

Upon reflection here in the comfort of my "real" life, there is simply no comparison between the comparative purity of one's loving and devoted wife or girlfriend, when the comparison is made with respect to the damaged character, the warped psychological behaviors, and/or the emotional lack of stability of a bar girl/ho compared to that of a good girl in a legitimate relationship. To compare the motivations of both respective categories of women, even the innocently sincere motivations of a bar girl, such as I believe my "G" girl displayed when she was with me, to the legitimate motivations of a loving wife, considering the stability of personality alone, is to totally and completely refute the idea that all women are engaged in P4P to some degree of another.

One thing I know for sure...mongering makes one thoroughly appreciate what is waiting for you at home, and the distinction between what you may have waiting for you at home versus what is waiting for you in the clubs. The distinction is so great, and so vivid to me now, that I can not articulate it here adequately. That realization, for me, has me hesitant to return to Monterrey. I truly got a glimpse of the boogy man this last trip, and minus her facade, even as much as I still love her ways, and as much as I appreciate her good qualities, not matter how much I an concerned for welfare, the picture is not pretty. It is painful to contemplate her realities.

I will probably be returning to Monterrey. But, as has been suggested, I will make every attempt to fight my natural, destructive inclination to know these girls more intimately, emotionally and/or psychologically. If I return, it will be strickly to fuck them silly, and with no other expectations whatsoever.

El Cabron 007

10-23-07, 17:24

Sweet P shows up looking so good. Not bad for a quick change and come over in 15 minutes. She sat with me during my conference calls and then we headed to the market. Turns out she wanted me to buy her a Halloween costume. Well, Wasted suddenly had no cash so she paid. aha. I dodged one blow there.

We got to the Prestige and the regulars came by and gave me the nice warm wrap themselves around me welcome. When I introduced Sweet P as my wife, they were all "ah, pardon" but sweet P was just looking with a blank stare on her face. I don't know what she was thinking. But I am sure it had to do with calling me names. Especially when the girls felt comfortable around us and they did not hold back at making me feel good. But all-in-all, they welcomed her and they were very nice to her. I always made sure I showed her some respect in the club so she does not feel like and outsider. She does stand out.

Sweet P is showing more love. This is where Carlos announces wedding bells and future little WastedG's running around Monterrey.

She insisted that next time I come to town, I must go to her house. HELP!

Have you guys seen the movie "Princesas"? It's about 2 pro's searching for a better life. http://www.movie-source.com/movie_page.asp?movieID=2437 It takes you into their lives and for the first time you get to see them as humans. Very sad. Highly recommended.

However, Carlos, if you have seen it, how do you think the girls would react if I played it for them? Say sweet P or Crazy S? it is stonger than the movie "Pretty Woman". In the movie, on of the girls has a regular gringo client that she took home and cooked for him. She jokingly tells him this is the meal they cook for their boyfriends to signal their commitments. Reminded me of Wasted.

I think this is a must see movie for all of us - but be warned; it might bring tears into your eyes. Be strong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTTPK1krj-k - and listen to the beautiful song "My name is Caye."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-5V69VvNsY

The girl with the long black hair is sweet P look-alike.

Me llaman Calle, pisando baldosas, la revoltosa y tan perdida.
Me llaman Calle,calle de noche, calle de día.
Me llaman Calle, hoy tan cansada, hoy tan vacía, como martinita por la gran ciudad.
Me llaman Calle, me subo a tu coche, me llaman Caye de malegría.
Calle dolida, calle cansada de tanto amar.
Voy calle abajo, voy calle arriba, no me rebajo ni por la vida.
Me llaman Caye y ese es mi orgullo, yo se que un día llegará, yo se que un día
vendrá mi suerte, un día me vendrá a buscar a la salida un hombre bueno
pa to la vida y sin pagar
mi corazón no es de alquila.
Me llaman Calle, me llaman Calle calle sufrida, calle tristeza de tanto amar.
Me llaman Calle, calle más calle.
Me llaman Calle siempre atrevida me llaman Calle de esquina a esquina
Me llaman Calle bala perdida asi me disparó la vida
Me llaman Calle del desengaño calle fracaso, calle perdida
Me llaman Calle vas sin futuro
Me llaman Calle va sin salida
Me llaman Calle calle mas calle la que mujeres dé la vida suben pa bajo
bajan pa arriba como martinica por la gran ciudad
Me llaman Calle me llaman Calle calle sufrida calle tristeza de tanto amar
Me llaman Calle calle mas calle

[ - ¿TU LE VAS A COBRAR AL TUYO? - HOY NO SOMOS PUTAS, HOY SOMOS PRINCESAS. ]

Wasted

MonterreyDude

10-23-07, 18:15

USB says: "Ya' know, Carlos often refers to these girls as "these CRAZY girls," and it was never so vivid a statement as it is to me these days. He always says "Pay no attention to them, not to what they say, and not to what they do."

Yes I do not pay attention to them... they are not my sister, nor wife nor lovers...

USB says: Take them all, "V" at the Harem (the drama queen), Cindy #1 (the stabber), Angry Girl (the vindictive), and my "G" girl (the confused angel),

I don't even pay enough attention to analize them nor give them lables.

USB saya: "every single one of these girls is totally and completely, emotionally and psychologically, so confused and fucked up that their thought processes and behaviors defy logical explanation, reason, intelligent clinical diagnosis, etc...The girls are so self destructive that to even stand next to them there is danger of your own emotional and psychological demise right along with them."

No, they defy only your train of thought, no one elses, and I told you a hundred times, STOP DOING THAT. No one analizes the girls cause it is a total wast of time. You did it and it totally messed you up.

USB says: "I know one damned thing after having fraternized with these girls, growing far too close to a few of them over time. After having gotten literally too close to the fire with some of them, and learning the "frightening" realities first hand, I can uncategorically say that we mongers are a totally sane lot in general, and that most of us are bastions of stability in comparison to them."

There is a big difference between choice of words: Close and Intimate. Nobody told you to get close to them, but we did tell you that you that you were getting extremely intimate with them and you never ever paid attention to sane advice. In my sane mind I would never ever even for a fraction of a second compare my life with the girls lives... there is simply no point of comparison.

You call that a long post??? :D Thank you for your eloquence. The conclusions you wrote are so illustrative of my current thoughts at this juncture, and I found a lot of comfort in reading them. Thank you so much for that. I concur with everything you said, and will add to it here. Hopefully, my comments will not seem to be too dramatically dismal, but of one thing I am sure, my conclusions are totally accurate.

Ya' know, Carlos often refers to these girls as "these CRAZY girls," and it was never so vivid a statement as it is to me these days. He always says "Pay no attention to them, not to what they say, and not to what they do."

Take them all, "V" at the Harem (the drama queen), Cindy #1 (the stabber), Angry Girl (the vindictive), and my "G" girl (the confused angel), every single one of these girls is totally and completely, emotionally and psychologically, so confused and fucked up that their thought processes and behaviors defy logical explanation, reason, intelligent clinical diagnosis, etc...The girls are so self destructive that to even stand next to them there is danger of your own emotional and psychological demise right along with them.

It occurs to me that as a monger, perhaps we are all to some degree damaged goods ourselves as a result, emotionally and psychologically speaking, each of us in our individual ways, and to varying degrees. But, I know one damned thing after having fraternized with these girls, growing far too close to a few of them over time. After having gotten literally too close to the fire with some of them, and learning the "frightening" realities first hand, I can uncategorically say that we mongers are a totally sane lot in general, and that most of us are bastions of stability in comparison to them.

I think the important lesson occurs when one realizes exactly what we are dealing with when we consort with these girls, and more importantly, how our own vulnerabilities are magnified when we allow ourselves to get too close to "insanity incarnate," never mind the standard bar girl manipulations warnings you routinely hear.

This is going to sound overly dramatic, with a hint of science fiction and biblical sermonizm, and I don't really mean to sound so harsh, but...

Their outward appearances are so misleading....It is almost biblical to realize that what lives inside most of these girls is either pure evil incarnate, psychological insanity, emotional instability, or varying degrees of all three rolled into one personality. And, that were we to actually get a glimpse of their hearts, minds, and souls, apart from their beautiful, sexy, alluring bodies, all of which is their facade, we would likely be horrified to the inth degree as we gaze upon the stark reality of what lives inside those beautiful bodies and pretty faces. For some, the realities are quite ugly, and others of them would have our deep and abiding pitty, and sincere sentimental regret, over knowing the true realities, the tortured souls that they truly are. With others of them, the evil of the lot, I doubt seriously that most of us could even bring ourselves to touch them were we to get an actual glimpse of their true being.

As you stated, those of us that have a heart, are decent men in all other respects, deviating only occassionally from responsible, intelligent, faithful, stable, and otherwise totally legitimate lives and lifestyles, and we flirt with disaster if we don't put up our own shields when we choose to monger and consort with these girls.

I for one, certainly know better than to go down the road I just came off of, and in this most recent instance, I was somewhat blindsided, even as my amigos attempted to warn me. I was intellectually prepared for the obvious, but not emotionally prepared for what I believe were the sincere, all be they ulitmately damaging, aspects of my "G" girls personality upon me. Their warnings to me only foretold of the generic bar girl kinds of behaviors, and not of the legitimate underlying emotional and pschological toll delivered innocently upon the two of us by one another, mostly as a result of my treading more deeply into the details of her life, and developing a closer relationship with her. My amigos gave me sound advise, but they don't know the half of the reality I know with respect to my "G" girl, a reality I wish I was totally oblivious to.

I do not believe that my "G" girl intended any harm to me. I believe she loves me still in her own bar girl way, within the context of my emotional diagnosis of what motivated her attentions to begin with. I don't believe that she would ever intentionally knowingly harm me in any way, quite the opposite. She is not, and did not then, calculate her toll upon me as this was going on. As emotionally and psychological warped as she most certainly is, I know that what we both experienced was quite satisfying in the moment, each of us satisfying our own demons, and that the desire to live in the comfort of that reality was so alluring that it continued for almost a year.

It only promised disaster in the end, and I knew it the more entrenched I became, the more information about her life I became aware of, etc...But, ignorance was absolute bliss. She was like a drug. I think these girls can very easily be compared to a drug addiction. I am not, nor have I ever been into drugs. But, make no mistake, we are, all of us, addicted to certain aspects of this hobby, and it is most definitely a drug. Were I a truly wise man, I would walk away from the hobby and never look back. Perhaps some of you know just how true that statement really is for your own selves, because I can see it vividly now for myself.

One must always realize that the toll is so great, the emotional and psychological taunting so misleadingly intoxicating, that to maintain one's intellectual vigilance, so as not to get burned, is still flirting very dangerously with emotional and psychological disaster, regardless of whether you believe yourself to be the Cabron or not. Because, literally, attempting to negotiate the cracks and crevises of their hearts, minds, and souls, will find you ultimately in the abis yourself unless you are very careful, and I am not talking about the generic bar girl manipulations that go on so obviously in front of us. The standard bar girl manipulations are childs play.

The hi-bred GFE reveals to me that it is like these girls are carrying psychologically and emotionally communicable diseases, and to get too close to them, in any way, risks our own inevitable emotional infection and psychological corruption. I have learned this lesson several times already, but not to the extent that I learned it this time, and still I am susceptible to it, my most recent example being at the hands of my "G" girl, an emotional infection contracted from her, one that I do not believe she ever intended to deliver. It is just a result of having been in too close a proximity to her life, and receiving a glimpse of the reality of her true being, and ultimately being a casualty of her instability.

Certainly, the standard warnings that we receive about the manipulative nature of bar girls, etc...applies. But, I am here to testify that the generic manipulations are just the tip of the iceburg. It is not the generic manipulative nature of the average bar girl that I am afraid of, it is all the otherwise harmlessly appearing aspects of even knowing them at all. The generic warnings are a distraction from the true reality of what you are getting yourself into if you get too close. One must always be expecting the obvious from these girls, certainly, but the real danger lies simply in the innocent emotional and psychological damage they do, delivered with sincerity by them, sometime with actual love and sincere affection, without any intention of doing harm to you or themselves.

You know, you often hear mongering wisdom that says all females engage in P4P to some degree, to get what they want in life, etc...Some say it doesn't matter if they are wives, legitimate girlfriends, etc...I used to think this is true, that such mongering wisdom had a ring of truth to it. But, my philosophy has changed.

Upon reflection here in the comfort of my "real" life, there is simply no comparison between the comparative purity of one's loving and devoted wife or girlfriend, when the comparison is made with respect to the damaged character, the warped psychological behaviors, and/or the emotional lack of stability of a bar girl/ho compared to that of a good girl in a legitimate relationship. To compare the motivations of both respective categories of women, even the innocently sincere motivations of a bar girl, such as I believe my "G" girl displayed when she was with me, to the legitimate motivations of a loving wife, considering the stability of personality alone, is to totally and completely refute the idea that all women are engaged in P4P to some degree of another.

One thing I know for sure...mongering makes one thoroughly appreciate what is waiting for you at home, and the distinction between what you may have waiting for you at home versus what is waiting for you in the clubs. The distinction is so great, and so vivid to me now, that I can not articulate it here adequately. That realization, for me, has me hesitant to return to Monterrey. I truly got a glimpse of the boogy man this last trip, and minus her facade, even as much as I still love her ways, and as much as I appreciate her good qualities, not matter how much I an concerned for welfare, the picture is not pretty. It is painful to contemplate her realities.

I will probably be returning to Monterrey. But, as has been suggested, I will make every attempt to fight my natural, destructive inclination to know these girls more intimately, emotionally and/or psychologically. If I return, it will be strickly to fuck them silly, and with no other expectations whatsoever.

MonterreyDude

10-23-07, 19:33

It is Spain... the girls won't care at all for Spanish ho's.
Iam taping them Sin Tetas no hay Paraiso... guess what, a 24 part Colombian soap that has a young girl that needs breast augmentation to make it big.
Her customers are narcs, abusive doctors and exploitive customers...

Sweet P shows up looking so good. Not bad for a quick change and come over in 15 minutes. She sat with me during my conference calls and then we headed to the market. Turns out she wanted me to buy her a Halloween costume. Well, Wasted suddenly had no cash so she paid. aha. I dodged one blow there.

We got to the Prestige and the regulars came by and gave me the nice warm wrap themselves around me welcome. When I introduced Sweet P as my wife, they were all "ah, pardon" but sweet P was just looking with a blank stare on her face. I don't know what she was thinking. But I am sure it had to do with calling me names. Especially when the girls felt comfortable around us and they did not hold back at making me feel good. But all-in-all, they welcomed her and they were very nice to her. I always made sure I showed her some respect in the club so she does not feel like and outsider. She does stand out.

Sweet P is showing more love. This is where Carlos announces wedding bells and future little WastedG's running around Monterrey.

She insisted that next time I come to town, I must go to her house. HELP!

Have you guys seen the movie "Princesas"? It's about 2 pro's searching for a better life. http://www.movie-source.com/movie_page.asp?movieID=2437 It takes you into their lives and for the first time you get to see them as humans. Very sad. Highly recommended.

However, Carlos, if you have seen it, how do you think the girls would react if I played it for them? Say sweet P or Crazy S? it is stonger than the movie "Pretty Woman". In the movie, on of the girls has a regular gringo client that she took home and cooked for him. She jokingly tells him this is the meal they cook for their boyfriends to signal their commitments. Reminded me of Wasted.

I think this is a must see movie for all of us - but be warned; it might bring tears into your eyes. Be strong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTTPK1krj-k - and listen to the beautiful song "My name is Caye."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-5V69VvNsY

The girl with the long black hair is sweet P look-alike.

Me llaman Calle, pisando baldosas, la revoltosa y tan perdida.
Me llaman Calle,calle de noche, calle de día.
Me llaman Calle, hoy tan cansada, hoy tan vacía, como martinita por la gran ciudad.
Me llaman Calle, me subo a tu coche, me llaman Caye de malegría.
Calle dolida, calle cansada de tanto amar.
Voy calle abajo, voy calle arriba, no me rebajo ni por la vida.
Me llaman Caye y ese es mi orgullo, yo se que un día llegará, yo se que un día
vendrá mi suerte, un día me vendrá a buscar a la salida un hombre bueno
pa to la vida y sin pagar
mi corazón no es de alquila.
Me llaman Calle, me llaman Calle calle sufrida, calle tristeza de tanto amar.
Me llaman Calle, calle más calle.
Me llaman Calle siempre atrevida me llaman Calle de esquina a esquina
Me llaman Calle bala perdida asi me disparó la vida
Me llaman Calle del desengaño calle fracaso, calle perdida
Me llaman Calle vas sin futuro
Me llaman Calle va sin salida
Me llaman Calle calle mas calle la que mujeres dé la vida suben pa bajo
bajan pa arriba como martinica por la gran ciudad
Me llaman Calle me llaman Calle calle sufrida calle tristeza de tanto amar
Me llaman Calle calle mas calle

[ - ¿TU LE VAS A COBRAR AL TUYO? - HOY NO SOMOS PUTAS, HOY SOMOS PRINCESAS. ]

Wasted

MonterreyDude

10-23-07, 19:41

Wasted says: "We got to the Prestige and the regulars came by and gave me the nice warm wrap themselves around me welcome. When I introduced Sweet P as my wife, they were all "ah, pardon" but sweet P was just looking with a blank stare on her face. I don't know what she was thinking. But I am sure it had to do with calling me names. Especially when the girls felt comfortable around us and they did not hold back at making me feel good.
But all-in-all, they welcomed her and they were very nice to her. I always made sure I showed her some respect in the club so she does not feel like and outsider. She does stand out.
Sweet P is showing more love. This is where Carlos announces wedding bells and future little WastedG's running around Monterrey.
She insisted that next time I come to town, I must go to her house. HELP!"

There is one thing that is forgotten... you nor me, we never told the girls P works at the Infinito.

And your P and my A girl working at the Prestige, are proof that they so desire the BFE we are talking about, the BoyFriend Experience.

That is why they offer a plus to us. The girls feel good around us. That is why P acts that way, trying to fully nab Wasted by trying to take him to her house to fully tie a noose around his neck.
They are looking for a BFE.... us.

Sweet P shows up looking so good. Not bad for a quick change and come over in 15 minutes. She sat with me during my conference calls and then we headed to the market. Turns out she wanted me to buy her a Halloween costume. Well, Wasted suddenly had no cash so she paid. aha. I dodged one blow there.

We got to the Prestige and the regulars came by and gave me the nice warm wrap themselves around me welcome. When I introduced Sweet P as my wife, they were all "ah, pardon" but sweet P was just looking with a blank stare on her face. I don't know what she was thinking. But I am sure it had to do with calling me names. Especially when the girls felt comfortable around us and they did not hold back at making me feel good. But all-in-all, they welcomed her and they were very nice to her. I always made sure I showed her some respect in the club so she does not feel like and outsider. She does stand out.

Sweet P is showing more love. This is where Carlos announces wedding bells and future little WastedG's running around Monterrey.

She insisted that next time I come to town, I must go to her house. HELP!

Have you guys seen the movie "Princesas"? It's about 2 pro's searching for a better life. http://www.movie-source.com/movie_page.asp?movieID=2437 It takes you into their lives and for the first time you get to see them as humans. Very sad. Highly recommended.

However, Carlos, if you have seen it, how do you think the girls would react if I played it for them? Say sweet P or Crazy S? it is stonger than the movie "Pretty Woman". In the movie, on of the girls has a regular gringo client that she took home and cooked for him. She jokingly tells him this is the meal they cook for their boyfriends to signal their commitments. Reminded me of Wasted.

I think this is a must see movie for all of us - but be warned; it might bring tears into your eyes. Be strong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTTPK1krj-k - and listen to the beautiful song "My name is Caye."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-5V69VvNsY

The girl with the long black hair is sweet P look-alike.

Me llaman Calle, pisando baldosas, la revoltosa y tan perdida.
Me llaman Calle,calle de noche, calle de día.
Me llaman Calle, hoy tan cansada, hoy tan vacía, como martinita por la gran ciudad.
Me llaman Calle, me subo a tu coche, me llaman Caye de malegría.
Calle dolida, calle cansada de tanto amar.
Voy calle abajo, voy calle arriba, no me rebajo ni por la vida.
Me llaman Caye y ese es mi orgullo, yo se que un día llegará, yo se que un día
vendrá mi suerte, un día me vendrá a buscar a la salida un hombre bueno
pa to la vida y sin pagar
mi corazón no es de alquila.
Me llaman Calle, me llaman Calle calle sufrida, calle tristeza de tanto amar.
Me llaman Calle, calle más calle.
Me llaman Calle siempre atrevida me llaman Calle de esquina a esquina
Me llaman Calle bala perdida asi me disparó la vida
Me llaman Calle del desengaño calle fracaso, calle perdida
Me llaman Calle vas sin futuro
Me llaman Calle va sin salida
Me llaman Calle calle mas calle la que mujeres dé la vida suben pa bajo
bajan pa arriba como martinica por la gran ciudad
Me llaman Calle me llaman Calle calle sufrida calle tristeza de tanto amar
Me llaman Calle calle mas calle

[ - ¿TU LE VAS A COBRAR AL TUYO? - HOY NO SOMOS PUTAS, HOY SOMOS PRINCESAS. ]

Wasted

El Cabron 007

10-23-07, 20:21

You reminded me of Sexy X asking me to get her "The L word" serie. It is about lesbians and their everyday life. Notice the couple are looking for a sperm doner. Well, as I metioned before, Sexy X chose me already. We have a date 4.5 years from now. I am to give them their little WastedG. :-) lucky me.

http://www.thelwordonline.com/pilot.shtml

It is Spain... the girls won't care at all for Spanish ho's.
Iam taping them Sin Tetas no hay Paraiso... guess what, a 24 part Colombian soap that has a young girl that needs breast augmentation to make it big.
Her customers are narcs, abusive doctors and exploitive customers...

El Cabron 007

10-23-07, 20:29

Ah Carlos. Where were you? A and P talked and they know she works at Infinito. Vania also asked later after she left. You did not expect the girls to be ever so curious and wanting to know?

Yes, agree on the BFE point. I want your A girl to be my BFE recipient. You know she loves me.

There is one thing that is forgotten... you nor me, we never told the girls P works at the Infinito.

And your P and my A girl working at the Prestige, are proof that they so desire the BFE we are talking about, the BoyFriend Experience.

That is why they offer a plus to us. The girls feel good around us. That is why P acts that way, trying to fully nab Wasted by trying to take him to her house to fully tie a noose around his neck.
They are looking for a BFE.... us.

Mill Just

10-23-07, 20:35

Ya' know, Carlos often refers to these girls as "these CRAZY girls," and it was never so vivid a statement as it is to me these days. He always says "Pay no attention to them, not to what they say, and not to what they do."

That is the best advice to follow. Take that hunk of wisdom and live it.

These girls are damaged goods and, at best, a psychological cluster-fuck of all kinds of messed-up shit. At worst, they are predators incarnate, ruthless machines willing to do anything to make a buck. I have had the "opportunity" to know some of them personally, off the clock- and it ain't pretty. The disdain that they have for ALL their clients is shocking. Even the "sweetest" of the sweet show a sometimes shocking display of sociopathic tendencies. Take a psychologically disturbed young girl and throw her into an industry that requires her to be a mercenary money maker and you will get one extra-disturbed young lady. Even the sanest of the bunch will make you shudder at times.

The sex industry doesn't ruin them, they came into the industry ruined. The clubs only provide them a way to prolong there slow descent. It provides them the only reference point in their confused lives: Money. Money, being the object by which they can gauge their worth and justify their poor choices in life.

So, yes, believe nothing they say and nothing they do because its all part of a routine that they've been taught. Don't be naive and think that they aren't coached by the clubs as to how to appraoch different types of men. The only difference in the chicas is that some are better at their jobs than others.

Uno, you are simply asking of them a level of sincerity and compassion that is not in them. If they can't even generally give this warmth to their own families, how can you expect it from them as a client of theirs, paying for sex from them? Sure, some can fake it really well, but be assured that a good fake is still a fake.

But, Uno, I like your new idea of fucking 'em all silly. That'll definitely work. :)

MonterreyDude

10-23-07, 21:29

That is the point... when P was at Prestige, the girls didn't know where she worked.
Contrary to that, when I took my Harem girl to the Prestige, I made sure my girls new where mine worked.

Ah Carlos. Where were you? A and P talked and they know she works at Infinito. Vania also asked later after she left. You did not expect the girls to be ever so curious and wanting to know?

Yes, agree on the BFE point. I want your A girl to be my BFE recipient. You know she loves me.

MonterreyDude

10-23-07, 21:34

Iam backing Mill..
The girls DO NOT WANT TO BE REMINDED THEY ARE WORKING IN HELL!!! and that they are stuck there with no options of getting out of the hole.

Specially the "stuck" part... if you go deep in this part, as in "I will help you out", the girls will expect instant action, no delays, no holding parterns or cooling down periods.
If you offer to get them out of hell it must be done "yesterday".
If not done that way, they will feel decieved, lied to, patronized, played with and they will kick the BFE out of the window and hate him with all their guts.

Quoting Mill, who in turn quotes USB: "But, Uno, I like your new idea of fucking 'em all silly. That'll definitely work."

I guess that's what been telling USB all along.

Mill, this is funny, but both Wasted and me have been trying to think where USB lost it...
Now I think I know: When he started understanding the language and being able to communicate with the ho's.

Before he kinda just like managed to get the girls, have fun with them with limited vocabulary. But add now a better comprehension of the language and there we have it... the root of his trouble and headaches.

That is the best advice to follow. Take that hunk of wisdom and live it.

These girls are damaged goods and, at best, a psychological cluster-fuck of all kinds of messed-up shit. At worst, they are predators incarnate, ruthless machines willing to do anything to make a buck. I have had the "opportunity" to know some of them personally, off the clock- and it ain't pretty. The disdain that they have for ALL their clients is shocking. Even the "sweetest" of the sweet show a sometimes shocking display of sociopathic tendencies. Take a psychologically disturbed young girl and throw her into an industry that requires her to be a mercenary money maker and you will get one extra-disturbed young lady. Even the sanest of the bunch will make you shudder at times.

The sex industry doesn't ruin them, they came into the industry ruined. The clubs only provide them a way to prolong there slow descent. It provides them the only reference point in their confused lives: Money. Money, being the object by which they can gauge their worth and justify their poor choices in life.

So, yes, believe nothing they say and nothing they do because its all part of a routine that they've been taught. Don't be naive and think that they aren't coached by the clubs as to how to appraoch different types of men. The only difference in the chicas is that some are better at their jobs than others.

Uno, you are simply asking of them a level of sincerity and compassion that is not in them. If they can't even generally give this warmth to their own families, how can you expect it from them as a client of theirs, paying for sex from them? Sure, some can fake it really well, but be assured that a good fake is still a fake.

But, Uno, I like your new idea of fucking 'em all silly. That'll definitely work. :)

Member #3453

10-23-07, 23:12

Mill, this is funny, but both Wasted and me have been trying to think where USB lost it...Now I think I know: When he started understanding the language and being able to communicate with the ho's. Before he kinda just like managed to get the girls, have fun with them with limited vocabulary. But add now a better comprehension of the language and there we have it... the root of his trouble and headaches.

I agree with your theory...But, let me further explain. If you really want to understand my true motivations...here is the answer.

I occurs to me that the thing I will miss most about not seeing my "G" girl has nothing whatsoever to do with sex. Frankly, after an entire year of sex with the same girl, every month, a week at a time, every day of the week, sometimes multiple times each day, the sex was just like the sex you get from a wife or girlfriend, eventually resulting in no surprises, etc...The affection is what was supernatural. The sex was initially excellent, and eventually, just as you would expect, predicatable. It was the affection and friendship that I grew to cherish from her.

Just like a regular relationship. We did not stay together for just the sex on my part, or just the money on hers. Although, I must admit that she made my life easy, not having to spend money to cultivate new girls. Plus, I liked that kind of scenario. I enjoyed her company. I would simply blow into town, and she was there for me. She was so reliable. I have never encountered a Mexican bar girl as reliable as she. That went a long way in my making her a commitment of exclusivity.

She was pushing the BFE with me, just as the "P" girl represents herself to WastedG at this juncture. My "G" girl wanted the BFE, eventually revealing to me over time, taking me into her confidence, wanting a faithful novio, but apparently unable to find one, according to her. She eventually hinted, and then fully revealed that she was struggling with her sexuality, and that she sought the emotional stability that she was not able to find in Mexican males. We talked about it a lot, and about her old novio, the one that she claims to have dropped for me, one that she believed was pretty decent, but only that he also two-timed her, lied to her a lot, etc...

I think that she was sincere with respect to what she was looking for, and I tried hard to give that to her, the exclusivity and devotion, the wanting to be with her doing the mundane things, and the fun things, taking her to dinner, to the movies, etc...I believe she was actually pretty happy with the arrangement, except when I was not there. She did not like the loneliness when I was out of town, which always caused her to rethink the scenario during the period I was gone. Each time I would revist, I would drag her back into the BFE, and she liked it. But each time I left, I realized that other forces were bearing down on her psyche, causing her to sway ever so slightly. That is why I returned like clock work, every three weeks, to keep the GFE on track. It would literally still be on track if I had not fucked up and bar fined the other girl.

Now, who knows what her real circumstances were. I realize that she could have been with her lesbian girlfriend the entire time she was seeing me. She could have been with me when I was there, substituting with her lesbian girlfriend when I was gone, substituting with the old novio, or the lesbian girlfriend or both as filler, or me as filler...who knows??? Who cares???? I was having a great time, and perfectly content. I was damned stupid for fucking it up.

I knew she struggled with her sexuality, she not really understanding where sexual and emotional fulfillment differ. I believe the lesbian friend got to her after I bar fined the other girl, convincing her that I was like all the other guys she had known. The lesbian girlfriend new about me for quite some time. She told me she told her about me many times. I was competing with the lesbian girlfriend and knew it all along.

If a girl has bi-sexual tendencies, she is likely to experiment in that area, especially if she is not happy with males. It's a very common psychological condition. There seems to be a huge number of bi-girls working the clubs in Monterrey, not to mention the full blown lesbians.

The sceanario, my bar fining another girl, betraying her like all the other guys she had known, just like the ones that had always done that to her before, pushed her over the edge. She was willing to entertain a lesbian lifestyle, or commit further to an already clandestined lesbian lifestyle when I failed her. As Carlos said, I had stabbed her in the back, and she reacted not as a provider, but as a scorned woman.

Knowing her intimately, talking with her about her internal feelings for so long, over the course of a year, I believe she is possibly bi-sexual, and perhaps not even necessarily bi-sexual, but more possibly willing to compromise her sexuality for the emotional stability of a relationship that she believes is non-existent with men, but one that is possibly available with a lesbian partner. I think she is really quite totally confused sexually.

Truth is, I wonder if her lesbian girlfriend lives in Monterrey, probably in Garcia? It occurs to me that my situation is similiar to WastedG when he competes for the attentions of his "X" girl with her she husband. I believe that is a really huge possibility. And, furthermore, I also believe that if the lesbian girlfriend is planning to move to TJ, that my "G" girl presented that scenario to me this last trip in preparation, she saying that she, "G," was possibly moving there for a new job, a legitimate job.

My opinion, I believe that if the lesbian girlfriend lives in Monterrey, that she is possibly working a regular job, received an opportunity to move to TJ, and that my "G" girl was feeling the pressure of making the choice. The reason I say that is that she was presenting the TJ move scenario to me on this last trip, and when I complained, telling her I would not be able to see her in TJ, she suggested that perhaps she could move to Reynosa where there was another similiar opportunity to choose from with respect to the new job. What was she going to do, pursuade the lesbian girlfriend to take a job in Reynosa over TJ in hopes we could continue our relationship? Of course, she told me all of this before my transgressions. So, prior to my transgressions, we were still as together as we had ever been before, and she was trying to find a way to include me in her life. The next day, I stepped on my dick and bar fined another girl, ruining my well planned scenario.

This of course, is all theory...nobody but she really knows for sure, right??? I am only going by my observtions, and hours upon hours of talking with her, gaging her sincerity, realizing that they are all full of shit most of the time. But, eventually, the stories become so consistent with one another week to week, month to month, that you can put some truth together. I have some training in the area of interrogation, interviewing criminal suspects, and over time, you can sort out the truth within the bullshit, or at least have some degree of truth within all the lies.

You guys all know the enjoyment I get analyzing the hobby. Can you imagine the interest level I had when I found a girl that had all these tendencies, one that wanted to be with me so she could talk, someone that wanted the emotional support from a guy she believed was different?

It was just something I could not pass up. And, when she started to stay with me hours on end, days at a time, making the kinds of effort to be there that you would not have believed, coming to see me "long-time" when she was so sick she could barely breath, coming all the way from Garcia and back, texting me daily to say hello when I was in the States, staying 8-12 hours for 500-1000 pesos, etc...

I was simply sucked into the prospect of understanding her further, eventually to grow very fond of her. She was like my own personal psychological laboratory, and on so many levels. First, she was so HOT and affectionate with me, then just to observe her behavior, then to interact with her, and then to become her friend and confidant, no matter if some of it was BS. Some was BS, some was not.

To be on the receiving end of her affections was initially the thing that hooked me in. But, after that, getting to know her well, talking to her at great length, it was all just such a stimulating encounter for me. It was like having a real girlfriend in Monterrey, and I believe that from her own warped perspective, I really was her real novio, taking into consideration all her own known baggage, and realizing that there exists probably so much other baggage I am unaware of.

The lesbian girlfriend scenario is why I believe she had to break it off with me completely in the end. Otherwise she would have simply maintained me as a client. That would have been easy to do. But, no, she was quite specific, telling me that she thought it was a good idea that we did not see each other any more, and that it would be best for me. I believe that the lesbian friend got to her, even when she was trying hard not to go that direction, and wanted to keep me in the picture only 24 hours earlier, prior to my telling her I had bar fined another girl.

I believe that when I bar fined the other girl, the lesbian friend made her move, and one of the ground rules was to never see me again, especially on Salida. My "G" girl told me about her lesbian friend always pushing her to have a relationship with her, but she told me that she had resisted. I doubt she has resisted that much, sexually, but who knows...This is all conjecture and speculation.

But, perhaps some of you can see how this soap opera hooked me, and reeled me in month after month. Believe me, it beats staring at the four walls in the hotel most of the day. Having my "G" girl there was very enjoyable. She is a nice girl. I like her very much. I can find no fault in her as a companion, per se, that of course, acknowledging she is a ho from the lower classes and all. But, she is no worse a ho than all the rest, verdad? So, I opted to stay with her. Then, over time, she just grew on me, and I wanted to be with her...by then, she was my friend, and I understood many things about her. Of course, I realize that I was still very much on the outside. I am not naive. But, generally, I think I know her better than anyone else did.

What I will miss from her is talking to her. I learned to understand so much more Spanish in the year that I knew her intimately. I learned so much from the experience. But, the loss has nothing to do with sex. It's funny, she always seemed attracted to me, and I believe she was. But, honestly, our talking to each other was what I believe sustained the GFE for a year, she being initially interested in me romantically, literally chasing me, and me interested in sex, and in learning more from my interactions with someone that I would not normally come in contact with, practicing my Spanish, gaining considerable ability over the entire year. Oh, I come in contact with Gringos/Gringas in her same socio-econimic class on a routine professional basis, but not many Mexicanas where I can practice conversation at length, not in my neck of the woods.

Anyway, because she always came to be with me, she developed into something special, she spending 8-12 hours, sometimes todo la noche, daily texts to my cell phone when I was not in Monterrey, etc...I think she was there because she wanted to be, and that is what I will miss. She will no longer be there because she wants to be. She may want to be, but she can't, and now, with my transgressions, she won't.

I will miss that, and I will miss the constant Spanish dialogue between us. She speaks only about 3 words of English. Truth is, I think she still wants to be there with me, but that she is prohibited from it on so many levels, job, girlfriend, etc...She is bound by her commitments to her lesbian girlfriend. But, frankly, I do not believe all is lost. You may see the USB rebound at some juncture....who knows...who cares???

I have decided to return to Monterrey. I am resolved to playing the game as I once did. But, I am not back tracking on all my criticizms about the cost, etc...That stuff is all valid. But, I will be there, finding new options, gaging all the old ones. But, this time, the stage is set for me to play the game differently, as the Cabron, without any kind of restrictions. However, I may choose to take a little vacation from MTY for a while. I haven't really decided. I need the security and boundless affection of my loving wife for a while longer, to heal the loss of my part-time Angel.

See, I never went wrong...I just took another road for a little while. Think of it as my sabbatical, my clinical research, my psychological laboratory...whatever....Do NOT worry. I am back :D

El Cabron 007

10-24-07, 02:32

Good observation and I think I can see how it is helpful to simply go "No Ehpaniol". Been working fine for me. Oddly enough, the girls seem to resort to the same excuse when you ask them for money ....... No Ehpaniol.

Mill, this is funny, but both Wasted and me have been trying to think where USB lost it...
Now I think I know: When he started understanding the language and being able to communicate with the ho's.

Before he kinda just like managed to get the girls, have fun with them with limited vocabulary. But add now a better comprehension of the language and there we have it... the root of his trouble and headaches.

El Cabron 007

10-24-07, 02:56

When I was in college, this poor dude had the lousiest luck ever getting girls to go out with him. He was very aggressive in his approach. Something I envied him for. I was way too shy to strike a conversation with a girl. Yet, I had tons of girlfriends and he had none.

I watched hit on a girl once. When she rejected him he returned saying "Stupid Lesbian"

Bob, way to go man. That won't fly. Don't go calling her a lesbian. Is she thu? I have a girl who would love to hook up with her. Carlos does too.

Truth is, I wonder if her lesbian girlfriend lives in Monterrey, probably in Garcia? It occurs to me that my situation is similiar to WastedG when he competes for the attentions of his "X" girl with her she husband. I believe that is a really huge possibility. And, furthermore, I also believe that if the lesbian girlfriend is planning to move to TJ, that my "G" girl presented that scenario to me this last trip in preparation, she saying that she, "G," was possibly moving there for a new job, a legitimate job.

Member #3453

10-24-07, 03:53

Well, honestly, I do not think my "G" girl is a lesbian. She is a very confused girl.

I do think she believes that she could be bi-sexual, maybe, and that her girlfriend offers her emotional commitment. These are all the things she told me directly over the course of the entire year, things that have me forming certain, rather complicated, conclusions, ones that are not easily reached if you do not know her like I do.

Too bad you could not ask her directly, WastedG, when you were there, because Precocious One actually spoke to her on Wednesday of last week in the club, talking with her a long time. She freely referred to her novia during their conversations. Right from the horses mouth...If you check out Precocious One's Post in the "Regular Members Section," you will see that she mentioned having a novia now.

She had told me soon after I disappointed her by bar fining the other girl that she was going to possibly go with her girlfriend, and take a novia, or possibly resume a relationship with the old novio. But, it sounds like she wants to experiment with the novia thing based on what I am hearing from Precocious One's testimony.

She always told me that her friend liked her, sexually, and that her friend wanted her for her novia. But, "G" always said that she resisted accepting her advances, sexually. They are very good friends however, and the novia has significant sway with her emotionally. I have no doubt that the novia was instrumental in my demise. In fact, I asked "G" if she had talked to her novia by phone on the day she ended it. She sheepishly said she had. Obviously, the novia wants a piece of ass, and emotionally, I had offended my "G" girl with bar fining another girl.

So, she decided that she was finished with men. She told me as much, telling me in a text message on my last hour in town that she believed I was just like all the rest of the men, and then she ended the text with "no bales," which took me a damn long time to figure out..."no hay bales...what?" but I had a stroke of genius, this after even consulting Carlos about what she could possibly mean in that last phrase, "no bales?" I finally realized that what she meant was mispelled, and that she wanted no more talk, "no hables," and her text merely indicated to me that we were no longer talking. I have not spoken to her since.

However, perhaps your conversation with her indicates a slight softening in that position, and based on Precocious One's comments, it seems she still has a soft "emotional" spot in her heart for her old novio, USB. There could yet be some hope that we can see each other on the sly, kind of like you and "X" run a game on her she-husband. I am optomistic. But, it really doesn't matter to me. With each passing day, I heal a little more, and my outlook now is becoming pretty positive. Not just with respect to "G," but with respect to my new found freedom to explore the other possibilities that I've ignored for a year. We'll see how things progress when I return. I still have to set a date for my return, and I have a lot of business issues up in the air right now. Who knows, maybe I will take the bus down...only 30-35 hours on the road one way down and then the same amount of time back. :D Ouch!!!
But, I will more likely fly in as usual.

Of course, as I said before, you can never really know the truth, not when dealing with a bar girl...c'mon, you guys know that, right? :D

One thing I just have to say is this...I would never believe that "G" was anything but 100% female, heterosexual, or possibly 85% or better, at least. And, she does love sex, and I also believe she is slightly hyper-sensitive, in the best of ways, and to relatively gentle, but consistent, vaginal stimulation, and in all the other right places.

My experience tells me that this stimulation factor fluctuates wildly among different girls. Some are very easily stimulated, and others act like they are extremely sensitive to stimulation, ticklish, sometimes avoiding even mildly aggressive stimulation in varying degrees. Some of them you just can not hardly touch before they are backing away, while others of them crave it, not rough necessarily, but in comparison to the touchy ones, yes with mildly aggressive stimulation, both oral and digital, to include the pocket rocket, and various sundry other vibrators.

My "G" girl was a perfect combination of stimulation response, and she enjoyed it very much, more than many of the girls I have been with. It is one of the things that attacted me to her initially on salida. As I said before, her responses were superb. I would rate her responsiveness in the range of an 8-9 out of a full range of ten, with ten being the very best. She may actually hold the title world-wide, although my girlfriend, On, in Thailand, was also quite responsive to stimuli.

So, if I were to actually diagnose her sexuality, I believe, based on her behaviors, the stimulation factor, and her attraction to males, along with her seeming indifference to watching female bodies, that she is probably completely heterosexual for all intents and purposes.

But, I believe that her emotional state of mind is such that she could be easily manipulated by a skilled lesbian, and possibly enjoy it sufficiently enough to engage in female on female sex. She does not strike me as being attracted to females in the same way as we as males are attracted to females physically by sight. But, emotion is the key with women.

But, we also have to factor in the club environment, where the commonly displayed lesbian attentions, and the lesbian and bi-sexual lifestyles, are so common place, that a girl that would normally not consider a lesbian relationship might see it as common, and/or consider it less socially taboo or degrading than if she were from the mainstream of society, and functioning within the legitimate world. Being socialized in a Mexican strip club has it's affects, verdad?

But, lets all remember, males are visual creatures and females are stimulated through emotion and communication. So, if we really apply what science knows about the differences between the sexes, the psychological side of what motivates passionate sex between the sexes, I believe it's very possible that a heterosexual woman, with the right kinds of needs, emotionally, could adopt a lesbian lifestyle and believe she is satsified. When in reality, were she to find a male to deliver the same range of emotional support, she would be ten times happier.

That is where I believe my "G" girl is psychologically at this juncture. But, if I ever get a crack at her again, the lesbian girlfriend should worry because I also know the response of my "G" girl to good old-fashioned male oriented sexual attentions, along with a healthy does of emotional nurturing of course, something I gave her a lot of.

It was the secret to keeping her coming back for more, 8-12 hours a day, a week at a time, for an entire year. It sure as hell wasn't the money I paid her. But, make no mistake...it was not just the sex, although the sex was outstanding, and from her perspective I believe as well. But, I believe it was the combination of sex and emotion that made her react to me with such a-typical Monterrey bar girl behaviors with respect to time and money.

I do believe she enjoys sexual stimulation more than most girls, and in her state of mind, I believe she could be seduced by a lesbian, and believe that she is at least bi-sexual if not totally lesbian.

Plus, when you factor in the nurturing qualities of another female, they having all the tools of the trade at their disposal, being born and socialized as nurturing females, a disadvantage to most men. The likelihood that she believes she can be satisfied by a lesbian relationship is a very real possibility. I have told her that I doubt she will be satisfied by it. I suspect that the first caring male that finds her will steal her away quite easily. Frankly, I believe that were I to get her alone, I could steal her back without too much effort. But, she knows that, and she was quite "afraid" to permit me to bar fine her last time when I attempted to reconcile. She already knows the outcome to that liason. I know I sound conceited about it, but I know her, and I know what she likes, I know what to do, I know what to say, I know...and she knows I know.

Now, with respect to you guys knowing other girls that she might be interested in, you miss the mark completely, IMHO. I believe I know her sufficiently to also state that were she to be approached for strictly a sexual encounter of a lesbian nature, it would most probably turn her off, unless the sexual proposition were to also have a very strong emotionally supportive element to the encounter. She may agree to it for the money, but it would not be because she would seek it out. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Plus, she takes her "emotional commitment" to her novia quite seriously. She was emotionally committed to me for a year, I believe. This is where I keep trying to distinguish the difference between what she does for a living, the delivery of sex, and the way she is able to seperate the two, one not having anything to really do with the other in her mind. She always believed she was faithful to me because she only thinks within the emotional realm. It is what allows her to be a ho. She can seperate the sex she delivers, and the meaning behind that according to most male trains of thought, versus the female, fucked up, bar girl belief that can seperate sex from emotional commitment. That is why it would be a challenge for me to take her on salida, when she will do it with other guys without thinking twice. She simultaneously knows that were she to go on salida with me, she would be betraying her novia at this juncture, and she will not permit herself to have the emotional feelings that she knows still endure.

She is looking for the emotional support, and more importantly, for the devotion and exclusivity of attention from either a man, or it seems now, a woman, she apparently believing that the emotional element is not available through most Mexican men. This is one girl that the Cabron theory, IMHO, is useless on. I should know...I kept her interest for a year, and were it not for my stupid damned error in judgement, and the need to find other options in the event the lesbian won the tug of war between us, I would still be enjoying an aspect of her to this day that most others will never fully comprehend.

When I was in college, this poor dude had the lousiest luck ever getting girls to go out with him. He was very aggressive in his approach. Something I envied him for. I was way too shy to strike a conversation with a girl. Yet, I had tons of girlfriends and he had none.

I watched hit on a girl once. When she rejected him he returned saying "Stupid Lesbian"

Bob, way to go man. That won't fly. Don't go calling her a lesbian. Is she thu? I have a girl who would love to hook up with her. Carlos does too.

MonterreyDude

10-24-07, 07:22

I agree with Wasted....
The only confused person that still hasn't cut his ties with the past is you USB.
You are acting now Mexican Macho: She doesn't like me... she must be a lesbian.
And this is how you are starting the game from scratch???

You are still analyzing.
Still parting from the wrong premise, that you can analize the girls.
Now, right now, we are up to the point when I met you first: Cindy #1.
You are acting exactly the same and writing the same things you said of her, trying to analyze the unanalyzable.
You ar trying to fathom what is impossible to understand and you are going round and round and round with the same things.

Let Angel Girl be... let her be hetero or bi or Les, but when are you just going to let her go?

You can not come back acting and reacting that way... just like when I met you, your point of reference for a girl was Cindy #1.
Now it will be Angel Girl...

And by the way, what's this: "Of course, as I said before, you can never really know the truth, not when dealing with a bar girl...c'mon, you guys know that, right? "

My answer: Let me tell you one thing USB, one thing that somehow keeps sliping from you after reading our post... speaking on my behalf only (I don't quite know Wasteds or the other guys point of view)....

... I do NOT care if she is telling a lie or telling a truth; acting on my benefit or if am witness to her trueself, the ONLY thing that can prevail is MY truth, my way of controling the relationship with her.
Again (umpteenth time) the only one that controls a relationship is the customer.
If you start buying what she tells you above hearing her and asimilating what she has to tell you, you are TOTALLY lost.

Well, honestly, I do not think my "G" girl is a lesbian. She is a very confused girl.

I do think she believes that she could be bi-sexual, maybe, and that her girlfriend offers her emotional commitment. These are all the things she told me directly over the course of the entire year, things that have me forming certain, rather complicated, conclusions, ones that are not easily reached if you do not know her like I do.

Too bad you could not ask her directly, WastedG, when you were there, because Precocious One actually spoke to her on Wednesday of last week in the club, talking with her a long time. She freely referred to her novia during their conversations. Right from the horses mouth...If you check out Precocious One's Post in the "Regular Members Section," you will see that she mentioned having a novia now.

She had told me soon after I disappointed her by bar fining the other girl that she was going to possibly go with her girlfriend, and take a novia, or possibly resume a relationship with the old novio. But, it sounds like she wants to experiment with the novia thing based on what I am hearing from Precocious One's testimony.

She always told me that her friend liked her, sexually, and that her friend wanted her for her novia. But, "G" always said that she resisted accepting her advances, sexually. They are very good friends however, and the novia has significant sway with her emotionally. I have no doubt that the novia was instrumental in my demise. In fact, I asked "G" if she had talked to her novia by phone on the day she ended it. She sheepishly said she had. Obviously, the novia wants a piece of ass, and emotionally, I had offended my "G" girl with bar fining another girl.

So, she decided that she was finished with men. She told me as much, telling me in a text message on my last hour in town that she believed I was just like all the rest of the men, and then she ended the text with "no bales," which took me a damn long time to figure out..."no hay bales...what?" but I had a stroke of genius, this after even consulting Carlos about what she could possibly mean in that last phrase, "no bales?" I finally realized that what she meant was mispelled, and that she wanted no more talk, "no hables," and her text merely indicated to me that we were no longer talking. I have not spoken to her since.

However, perhaps your conversation with her indicates a slight softening in that position, and based on Precocious One's comments, it seems she still has a soft "emotional" spot in her heart for her old novio, USB. There could yet be some hope that we can see each other on the sly, kind of like you and "X" run a game on her she-husband. I am optomistic. But, it really doesn't matter to me. With each passing day, I heal a little more, and my outlook now is becoming pretty positive. Not just with respect to "G," but with respect to my new found freedom to explore the other possibilities that I've ignored for a year. We'll see how things progress when I return. I still have to set a date for my return, and I have a lot of business issues up in the air right now. Who knows, maybe I will take the bus down...only 30-35 hours on the road one way down and then the same amount of time back. :D Ouch!!!
But, I will more likely fly in as usual.

Of course, as I said before, you can never really know the truth, not when dealing with a bar girl...c'mon, you guys know that, right? :D

One thing I just have to say is this...I would never believe that "G" was anything but 100% female, heterosexual, or possibly 85% or better, at least. And, she does love sex, and I also believe she is slightly hyper-sensitive, in the best of ways, and to relatively gentle, but consistent, vaginal stimulation, and in all the other right places.

My experience tells me that this stimulation factor fluctuates wildly among different girls. Some are very easily stimulated, and others act like they are extremely sensitive to stimulation, ticklish, sometimes avoiding even mildly aggressive stimulation in varying degrees. Some of them you just can not hardly touch before they are backing away, while others of them crave it, not rough necessarily, but in comparison to the touchy ones, yes with mildly aggressive stimulation, both oral and digital, to include the pocket rocket, and various sundry other vibrators.

My "G" girl was a perfect combination of stimulation response, and she enjoyed it very much, more than many of the girls I have been with. It is one of the things that attacted me to her initially on salida. As I said before, her responses were superb. I would rate her responsiveness in the range of an 8-9 out of a full range of ten, with ten being the very best. She may actually hold the title world-wide, although my girlfriend, On, in Thailand, was also quite responsive to stimuli.

So, if I were to actually diagnose her sexuality, I believe, based on her behaviors, the stimulation factor, and her attraction to males, along with her seeming indifference to watching female bodies, that she is probably completely heterosexual for all intents and purposes.

But, I believe that her emotional state of mind is such that she could be easily manipulated by a skilled lesbian, and possibly enjoy it sufficiently enough to engage in female on female sex. She does not strike me as being attracted to females in the same way as we as males are attracted to females physically by sight. But, emotion is the key with women.

But, we also have to factor in the club environment, where the commonly displayed lesbian attentions, and the lesbian and bi-sexual lifestyles, are so common place, that a girl that would normally not consider a lesbian relationship might see it as common, and/or consider it less socially taboo or degrading than if she were from the mainstream of society, and functioning within the legitimate world. Being socialized in a Mexican strip club has it's affects, verdad?

But, lets all remember, males are visual creatures and females are stimulated through emotion and communication. So, if we really apply what science knows about the differences between the sexes, the psychological side of what motivates passionate sex between the sexes, I believe it's very possible that a heterosexual woman, with the right kinds of needs, emotionally, could adopt a lesbian lifestyle and believe she is satsified. When in reality, were she to find a male to deliver the same range of emotional support, she would be ten times happier.

That is where I believe my "G" girl is psychologically at this juncture. But, if I ever get a crack at her again, the lesbian girlfriend should worry because I also know the response of my "G" girl to good old-fashioned male oriented sexual attentions, along with a healthy does of emotional nurturing of course, something I gave her a lot of.

It was the secret to keeping her coming back for more, 8-12 hours a day, a week at a time, for an entire year. It sure as hell wasn't the money I paid her. But, make no mistake...it was not just the sex, although the sex was outstanding, and from her perspective I believe as well. But, I believe it was the combination of sex and emotion that made her react to me with such a-typical Monterrey bar girl behaviors with respect to time and money.

I do believe she enjoys sexual stimulation more than most girls, and in her state of mind, I believe she could be seduced by a lesbian, and believe that she is at least bi-sexual if not totally lesbian.

Plus, when you factor in the nurturing qualities of another female, they having all the tools of the trade at their disposal, being born and socialized as nurturing females, a disadvantage to most men. The likelihood that she believes she can be satisfied by a lesbian relationship is a very real possibility. I have told her that I doubt she will be satisfied by it. I suspect that the first caring male that finds her will steal her away quite easily. Frankly, I believe that were I to get her alone, I could steal her back without too much effort. But, she knows that, and she was quite "afraid" to permit me to bar fine her last time when I attempted to reconcile. She already knows the outcome to that liason. I know I sound conceited about it, but I know her, and I know what she likes, I know what to do, I know what to say, I know...and she knows I know.

Now, with respect to you guys knowing other girls that she might be interested in, you miss the mark completely, IMHO. I believe I know her sufficiently to also state that were she to be approached for strictly a sexual encounter of a lesbian nature, it would most probably turn her off, unless the sexual proposition were to also have a very strong emotionally supportive element to the encounter. She may agree to it for the money, but it would not be because she would seek it out. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Plus, she takes her "emotional commitment" to her novia quite seriously. She was emotionally committed to me for a year, I believe. This is where I keep trying to distinguish the difference between what she does for a living, the delivery of sex, and the way she is able to seperate the two, one not having anything to really do with the other in her mind. She always believed she was faithful to me because she only thinks within the emotional realm. It is what allows her to be a ho. She can seperate the sex she delivers, and the meaning behind that according to most male trains of thought, versus the female, fucked up, bar girl belief that can seperate sex from emotional commitment. That is why it would be a challenge for me to take her on salida, when she will do it with other guys without thinking twice. She simultaneously knows that were she to go on salida with me, she would be betraying her novia at this juncture, and she will not permit herself to have the emotional feelings that she knows still endure.

She is looking for the emotional support, and more importantly, for the devotion and exclusivity of attention from either a man, or it seems now, a woman, she apparently believing that the emotional element is not available through most Mexican men. This is one girl that the Cabron theory, IMHO, is useless on. I should know...I kept her interest for a year, and were it not for my stupid damned error in judgement, and the need to find other options in the event the lesbian won the tug of war between us, I would still be enjoying an aspect of her to this day that most others will never fully comprehend.

Member #3453

10-24-07, 10:10

Carlos says: "I agree with Wasted....The only confused person that still hasn't cut his ties with the past is you USB. You are acting now Mexican Macho: She doesn't like me... she must be a lesbian. And this is how you are starting the game from scratch???"

There is no "must be a lesbian" to it with respect to whether I believe she is or isn't, or accordinly to whether she wants to be with me. WastedG disputed the facts, then he asked me a specific question in his post when he asked "is she tho?," meaning is she really bi or lesbian. I simply clarified for him in my reply post. I did not say she was a lesbian...fact is, I do not think she is, even when she makes direct referenced to having a novia. I think she is totally confused. Go ask her yourself what she now prefers. Who knows, you might be able to get a threesome with the two of them. That will be my first question of her if I return. I have never met the novia. :D She tells me the novia is pretty HOT. Call that anlaysis if you want...I call it potentially fun. :D

Carlos Says: "You are still analyzing. Still parting from the wrong premise, that you can analize the girls. Now, right now, we are up to the point when I met you first: Cindy #1. You are acting exactly the same and writing the same things you said of her, trying to analyze the unanalyzable. You ar trying to fathom what is impossible to understand and you are going round and round and round with the same things."

No, I simply replied to WastedG's post with my own analysis. He posted his analysis, and I posted mine. What you read in my replies were simply conversational, and should not be construed as my obsessing about anything. Frankly, anyone reading the USB Section is going to assume I obsess about everything, right? The things in my reply posts are the things I did not formerly post to demonstrate that their is a "tip of the iceburg" to everything going on in their mixed up, crazy lives. I agree with you. The girls can not be analyzed accurately because they are all crazy.

But, somehow, when you guys philosophize about your own specific certain scenarios, ie: "we are their BFE's," with respect to "P" and "A," at Prestige, the content of your former posts, even if said tongue 'n cheek by you, it is still commentary made about them. It is still your true analysis, but when I comment on the exactly the same issues, it is my dilusional folly.

Carlos says: "Let Angel Girl be... let her be hetero or bi or Les, but when are you just going to let her go? You can not come back acting and reacting that way... just like when I met you, your point of reference for a girl was Cindy #1. Now it will be Angel Girl..."

No, you misinterpret my desire to make commentary here with my state of mind in returning. They are two different things. I have nothing else to comment on with respect to my posts here....Lets see, how is the weather in Monterrey these days, getting cooler? Fact is, if we shut up with all our postings there will be simply nothing to read and banter about. So, the full range of commentary continues. For my part, the catharsis has been very theraputic, and it prepares me quite well for my re-entry into Monterrey. But, squelching my thought processes simply ends the catharsis, the thing that now has me willing to return. Or is it that you prefer that I retire? Uhmmmm?

Remember, if I retire, NO COOKIES. And, if I take your full advise to morph into the full blown Cabron, there will be NO COOKIES this next trip. And, don't tell me to make cookies for only mis amigos, and none for my banter in the clubs. I like my banter in the clubs. It's part of my enjoyment level. If I go to the trouble of making COOKIES, I will bring them for all concerned, not just my greedy, and hungry, amigos...Besides, we disagree on the value of my schtick in the clubs, and I do not buy that it sabotages me in any way.

Remember this, the ONLY thing that sabatoges anyone is their willingness to spend money, nothing else. I could come into those clubs in a clown suit and be wildlly successful...if I had 10,000 pesos notes sticking out of my pockets, and a willingness to throw money around. I will tell you exactly where things changed with me. It was when I decided that I was wasting money on girls that gave me a peck on the cheek and NO ACTION.

At this juncture, I will summon up Senior Members from the ISG afterlife, the eloquent, sometimes participatory, but ever illusive Porker. He is one that I know agrees with my assessment. I used to spend gobs of money on jarras, salidas, individual drinks, privados, etc...when I was in Monterrey. I had twenty girls on the pad at one time in those days. But, the bottom line was, half of those were not worth the investment. The futility of wasting money on some of those girls can not be overemphasized. And, for the newbie reader, to represent othewise is disengenuous.

When I return this next trip, I will spend wildly on the girls, and you will see just how quickly USB regains his former, and frankly, never lost, distinction with respect to overall selection. But, honestly, my decision to stop spending and to concentrate on my "G" girl was a calculated strategy, one that satisfied the shit out of me for a year, and for peanuts.

Everybody likes to suspect that I was fleeced, taken for a ride by the disengenuous bar girl, that I have been emotionally pussy whipped by her, etc...But, the overiding reality is I was so far and away better off than others of you that MUST spend widly in the clubs to achieve a fraction of the same range of time I obtained from my "G" girl, that there can be no comparison whatsoever to the ultimate payoff I recieved as a result of my implementing that strategy. Point out one instance where that strategy cost me financially... you can NOT.

Carlos says: "I do NOT care if she is telling a lie or telling a truth; acting on my benefit or if am witness to her trueself, the ONLY thing that can prevail is MY truth, my way of controling the relationship with her. Again (umpteenth time) the only one that controls a relationship is the customer. If you start buying what she tells you above hearing her and asimilating what she has to tell you, you are TOTALLY lost."

So you disagree with this statement, "you can never really know the truth, not when dealing with a bar girl"

So where does my making a statement equate with my buying into her lies, dilusions, etc...??? I merely report what was said, and my analysis of it, most of which is meaningless with respect to my future returns, unless of course I can get a threesome with she and her novia. The truth is, I have already acknowledged that what they tell me is of little value because they are so crazy. But, were I to rekindle something with her, and were it to have financial beneficial merits, I would do so all over again. Take them apples!!!

You guys have all your "dilusional" opinions in your posts, they are not my words, they are yours. Shall I dig them all up and restate them here so as to prove my point? :D

Don't misunderstand my smart assed rebuttal here. I am just attempting to demonstrate to you that I have no expectations for this next trip, other than it may be very expensive, and provide very little true satisfaction with respect to MY total cost. We shall see.

Carlos, re-read MJ's post about what it cost him when he used to come down to Morelia...read it slowly, and read it completely. He understands when I talk about the financial aspect of making trips to Mexico, even when he may also believe I am emotionally vulnerable to them. The bottom line is, the financial books don't lie even as the girls lie all the time. If my bottom line indicates that I am way ahead of the game, it is "ME," "MYSELF," and "I" who is winning. I invite you to point to one instance where, over the last year, financially, I have been taken for a ride by "G"...go ahead, name one instance. You can not.

But, just to put your mind at ease...I do not believe anything they say, nor will I, in the future, analyze them for tactical reasons. I will pay them and fuck them, maybe give them a cookie, as I am sitting in my clown suit, with 10,000 peso notes bulging from my pockets. How's that, feeling better? :D

Member #3453

10-24-07, 10:40

By the way, there is a guy from Chicago in Monterrey for two days only, arriving last night. He sends me inquiries with respect to specific girl recommendations, wishing to arrange an escort kind of scenario for himself with only two days on the ground there. If he is reading this post, I also suggest contacting Carlos Perez with your inquiries. He may be able to give you better recommendations than I can because he is local.

But for my part, my recommendation to him for time outside the clubs, and the prospect of todo la noche, would be to simply visit the clubs, where it is more likely to only find 1.5 hour salida action. My response was that I have no specific names to provide him, and that time outside the clubs, for an escort, for probably 4-6 hours of time, and certainly for todo la noche, will likely cost him at least 6000-10,000 pesos, especially without any former ground work being laid in Monterrey with the girl in advance.

I post this here because it is something other than my analysis of psychological and emotional issues specific to me. And, also, perhaps you can help him out, Carlos, if he happens to contact you. Plus, it serves to illustrate how difficult it is just to arrange for action outside the club, never mind GFE, and hi-bred GFE, todo la noche, movies, dinners, etc...these kinds of worldclass activities are almost always going to be non-existent for one time, or infrequent visitors to Monterrey, unless of course you wish to spend huge amounts of cash. Just stating the facts. You can have fun, but it will not be anything close to what you can experience with respect to mongering in some other venues. Expectation is everything. Remember the costs versus satisfaction issues if you are planning a tirp to Monterrey strictly for mongering's sake.

MonterreyDude

10-24-07, 17:56

USB says: "So you disagree with this statement, "you can never really know the truth, not when dealing with a bar girl"

Not that I disagree... you still don't get the point: I don't care for her truth, I care for mine. The girl can tell me a lot of things inside the club influence, but once away from her, my reality prevails.
So whatever she has told me lies or no lies, truth or no truth stay in that parallel universe and only what I want to be true, my truth is the one that ruels.

Carlos says: "I agree with Wasted....The only confused person that still hasn't cut his ties with the past is you USB. You are acting now Mexican Macho: She doesn't like me... she must be a lesbian. And this is how you are starting the game from scratch???"

There is no "must be a lesbian" to it with respect to whether I believe she is or isn't, or accordinly to whether she wants to be with me. WastedG disputed the facts, then he asked me a specific question in his post when he asked "is she tho?," meaning is she really bi or lesbian. I simply clarified for him in my reply post. I did not say she was a lesbian...fact is, I do not think she is, even when she makes direct referenced to having a novia. I think she is totally confused. Go ask her yourself what she now prefers. Who knows, you might be able to get a threesome with the two of them. That will be my first question of her if I return. I have never met the novia. :D She tells me the novia is pretty HOT. Call that anlaysis if you want...I call it potentially fun. :D

Carlos Says: "You are still analyzing. Still parting from the wrong premise, that you can analize the girls. Now, right now, we are up to the point when I met you first: Cindy #1. You are acting exactly the same and writing the same things you said of her, trying to analyze the unanalyzable. You ar trying to fathom what is impossible to understand and you are going round and round and round with the same things."

No, I simply replied to WastedG's post with my own analysis. He posted his analysis, and I posted mine. What you read in my replies were simply conversational, and should not be construed as my obsessing about anything. Frankly, anyone reading the USB Section is going to assume I obsess about everything, right? The things in my reply posts are the things I did not formerly post to demonstrate that their is a "tip of the iceburg" to everything going on in their mixed up, crazy lives. I agree with you. The girls can not be analyzed accurately because they are all crazy.

But, somehow, when you guys philosophize about your own specific certain scenarios, ie: "we are their BFE's," with respect to "P" and "A," at Prestige, the content of your former posts, even if said tongue 'n cheek by you, it is still commentary made about them. It is still your true analysis, but when I comment on the exactly the same issues, it is my dilusional folly.

Carlos says: "Let Angel Girl be... let her be hetero or bi or Les, but when are you just going to let her go? You can not come back acting and reacting that way... just like when I met you, your point of reference for a girl was Cindy #1. Now it will be Angel Girl..."

No, you misinterpret my desire to make commentary here with my state of mind in returning. They are two different things. I have nothing else to comment on with respect to my posts here....Lets see, how is the weather in Monterrey these days, getting cooler? Fact is, if we shut up with all our postings there will be simply nothing to read and banter about. So, the full range of commentary continues. For my part, the catharsis has been very theraputic, and it prepares me quite well for my re-entry into Monterrey. But, squelching my thought processes simply ends the catharsis, the thing that now has me willing to return. Or is it that you prefer that I retire? Uhmmmm?

Remember, if I retire, NO COOKIES. And, if I take your full advise to morph into the full blown Cabron, there will be NO COOKIES this next trip. And, don't tell me to make cookies for only mis amigos, and none for my banter in the clubs. I like my banter in the clubs. It's part of my enjoyment level. If I go to the trouble of making COOKIES, I will bring them for all concerned, not just my greedy, and hungry, amigos...Besides, we disagree on the value of my schtick in the clubs, and I do not buy that it sabotages me in any way.

Remember this, the ONLY thing that sabatoges anyone is their willingness to spend money, nothing else. I could come into those clubs in a clown suit and be wildlly successful...if I had 10,000 pesos notes sticking out of my pockets, and a willingness to throw money around. I will tell you exactly where things changed with me. It was when I decided that I was wasting money on girls that gave me a peck on the cheek and NO ACTION.

At this juncture, I will summon up Senior Members from the ISG afterlife, the eloquent, sometimes participatory, but ever illusive Porker. He is one that I know agrees with my assessment. I used to spend gobs of money on jarras, salidas, individual drinks, privados, etc...when I was in Monterrey. I had twenty girls on the pad at one time in those days. But, the bottom line was, half of those were not worth the investment. The futility of wasting money on some of those girls can not be overemphasized. And, for the newbie reader, to represent othewise is disengenuous.

When I return this next trip, I will spend wildly on the girls, and you will see just how quickly USB regains his former, and frankly, never lost, distinction with respect to overall selection. But, honestly, my decision to stop spending and to concentrate on my "G" girl was a calculated strategy, one that satisfied the shit out of me for a year, and for peanuts.

Everybody likes to suspect that I was fleeced, taken for a ride by the disengenuous bar girl, that I have been emotionally pussy whipped by her, etc...But, the overiding reality is I was so far and away better off than others of you that MUST spend widly in the clubs to achieve a fraction of the same range of time I obtained from my "G" girl, that there can be no comparison whatsoever to the ultimate payoff I recieved as a result of my implementing that strategy. Point out one instance where that strategy cost me financially... you can NOT.

Carlos says: "I do NOT care if she is telling a lie or telling a truth; acting on my benefit or if am witness to her trueself, the ONLY thing that can prevail is MY truth, my way of controling the relationship with her. Again (umpteenth time) the only one that controls a relationship is the customer. If you start buying what she tells you above hearing her and asimilating what she has to tell you, you are TOTALLY lost."

So you disagree with this statement, "you can never really know the truth, not when dealing with a bar girl"

So where does my making a statement equate with my buying into her lies, dilusions, etc...??? I merely report what was said, and my analysis of it, most of which is meaningless with respect to my future returns, unless of course I can get a threesome with she and her novia. The truth is, I have already acknowledged that what they tell me is of little value because they are so crazy. But, were I to rekindle something with her, and were it to have financial beneficial merits, I would do so all over again. Take them apples!!!

You guys have all your "dilusional" opinions in your posts, they are not my words, they are yours. Shall I dig them all up and restate them here so as to prove my point? :D

Don't misunderstand my smart assed rebuttal here. I am just attempting to demonstrate to you that I have no expectations for this next trip, other than it may be very expensive, and provide very little true satisfaction with respect to MY total cost. We shall see.

Carlos, re-read MJ's post about what it cost him when he used to come down to Morelia...read it slowly, and read it completely. He understands when I talk about the financial aspect of making trips to Mexico, even when he may also believe I am emotionally vulnerable to them. The bottom line is, the financial books don't lie even as the girls lie all the time. If my bottom line indicates that I am way ahead of the game, it is "ME," "MYSELF," and "I" who is winning. I invite you to point to one instance where, over the last year, financially, I have been taken for a ride by "G"...go ahead, name one instance. You can not.

But, just to put your mind at ease...I do not believe anything they say, nor will I, in the future, analyze them for tactical reasons. I will pay them and fuck them, maybe give them a cookie, as I am sitting in my clown suit, with 10,000 peso notes bulging from my pockets. How's that, feeling better? :D

Member #3453

10-24-07, 19:31

whatever she has told me lies or no lies, truth or no truth stay in that parallel universe and only what I want to be true, my truth is the one that ruels.

Assuming that we also realize that our respective truths, while convenient for us to each respectively believe, may not be accurate, especially when we don't either of us know "the" truth. That is the point in not believing them to begin with.

You see, we agree...But, honestly, from my perspective, I would much more prefer to know "the" truth, not hers, and not my own. Knowing the actual truth is the preferable condition from which to make good tactical decisions.

And, as you said, since we usually can not know "the" truth, and since their truth is so suspect, and our truth is sometimes patronizingly "convenient," the actual truth escapes us entirely.

You mentioned liking to function in the parallel universe. It occurs to me that sometimes the truth runs in a parallel universe, no right, and no wrong... :D Tell me, in the following, which is the truth???

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sShMA85pv8M

Mill Just

10-25-07, 10:16

Just so we can get off the topic of Uno's love affair with his "G" girl and her apparent complete and total lack of knowledge of said love affair, I offer up this possible detour:

What do you guys see as the benefit of mongering in strip clubs over MP's (of all levels) and escorts?

In my opinion, which is based solely on my Morelia experience and my mongering experience in 15 other Mexican cities, I have leaned towards escorts and MP's just for ease of use and the cost/reward ratio mentioned in one of my posts earlier.

Personally, although I have nothing specifically bad to say about my strip club days, I have retired from them and have no intention of ever setting foot back in that world again. I guess I came to that conclusion after realizing that the reason I monger is for the girls and to have sex with said girls. In the strip clubs, there is just too much work in sifting through the chicas and then negotiating with them all the while dodging the waiters, boleteros and managers who are there to "help" you out by steering you toward emptying your wallet. I do fine in that environment and defend myself quite well, but all of that was just distracting me from my ultimate goal- the chicas!

I found that for the price of drinks in a club, I can have a quality escort show up in the comfort of my own apartment or get a quality massage parlor cutie to give me FS plus a massage in the relative privacy of her room.

Then, when you find the chica at the strip club who you want to take out, you spend another sum of money, greater than the amount you had spent on drinks. Again, for the price of that strip club chica, you can get a good escort or MP in a non-pressure atmosphere, plus have enough left over for a nice meal and a movie.

Now, by my calculation, that's two quality sessions, a nice meal and a movie for the price of one service from a strip club chica. And, at least here in the Heartland, the escorts can be every bit as hot as the strippers and with a lot less attitude and/or emotional hang ups.

So, what's the draw of the strip clubs? I recognize that my participation in the scene was a tactical mistake on my part, something that actually prevented me from getting the quality service that I had become accustomed to in previous years. Every peso spent in a strip club was a peso that wasn't working for me. I was treading water in the strip clubs, always playing a losing hand because the industry of strip clubs in general is set up that way- like the casino in Vegas that will pay some out, but will eventually favor the house. In the clubs, I'd find real gems and feel like I was getting a bargain until I actually sat down and did the calculations. And what about the bad nights when nothing appealed to me or I was just not in the mood for anything?

So, what's the deal in MTY? I'm sure that there are many other options than the strip clubs. Is it the lights and music that draws you to them? Is it the illusions offered up by the chicas? Is it the friendship of fellow mongers? I know it can't be the price or the convenience.

I know some will look at the prices of the high end MTY MPs and say, "2000 pesos per session? Ridiculous!" but how much do you spend in the strip clubs to get a session- factoring in drinks, transportation, privados, bar fine and the chicas pay? The price comes out to be more in the strip clubs and you have to spend sometimes hours there looking for the right chica- when in an MP, you pay the money and cut right to the chase. And if you want to get to know the chica- where better than in a quiet, non-stressed hotel room or massage room?

So, what is it guys? What's the draw? Is it the illusion of feeling like a Roman emperor in the middle of all his slave girls? Or do crazy chicas and watered-down drinks get you horny? :)

Member #3453

10-25-07, 11:29

And, thank you for the change in topic...I was running out of material, if you can believe it. But, unfortunately, I believe your theory about escorts is more relevant to my scenario with my "G" girl than perhaps you might fully realize. For that reason, please endulge me a little further to explain. But first...

"G" and me are back together already...courtesy of telcel and about 2 hours of:

G: "tu eres enfadado conmigo?",
G: "lo siento,"
G: "te extrano,"
G: "te amo mucho USB,"
G: "cuando regresas?
USB: "nunca, si no puede ver me."
G: "necisito cosas egual antes,"
G: "tu eres my angel, verdad, USB,"
G: "te quiero, USB,"
G: "muy triste todo semana,"
G: "necisito cosas egual antes," etc...

and, finally...

G: "did you go to Morelia, USB?"

Ahhhh, so, she is worried that I went to Morelia and found her substitute. See Mill, I told her that I was going to Morelia to visit you, and that you had told me about all the "home grown" girls I would find there, the girls similiar to her, flaca morenas with sweet personalities. I told her I was going with Carlos, and we were going to visit the clubs. Of course, I bailed out on you, reluctantly, and with remorse, but she never realized that I didn't go because she told me to cut off all communication with her, and I never spoke to her again. But, she was apparently worried about what I might have been able to find to replace her, because I literally had NO contact with her for several weeks, mainly because she said she thought we should not see each other again, and that she would not speak to me. I guess absence made the heart grow fonder, and the wallet less cushy, because she is "aspeakin' to me now," mucho tiempo, and mucho carino, y mucho amor, y mucho sexo tanbien.

Mill, you'll be amused to learn that I built up the angle that you had told me how those home grown Morelianas are so sweet, country girls just like my "G" girl, and that they are HOT, HOT, HOT. So, prior to our breaking up, I just told her I was going to Morelia to accompany Carlos', that he and I wanted to meet you because we had not met face to face, but that I would be good. Obviously, she believed otherwise... :D

It occured to me that she was softening up upon my hearing what she had to say to WastedG upon his visit, telling him that her phone did not work, asking 'how will he contact me?" etc :-(((

I know you guys are skeptical of her true feelings, and so am I...but, I don't care...I just want what I like. However, there is much more to this than a mere few words ISG can convey accurately. But, bottom line...

I have my escort lined up for next time. Aren't you all thrilled??? I know I am!!! :D But, don't read too much into it...I just like my kind of "scenario," and I am thrilled to have it back. As I formerly commented, I miss "her" per se, and not exclusively for the sex, but for a very wide variety of "people" reasons. She is intellectually interesting to me...imagine that, an uneducated, stripper from a lower end Mexican bar. Wonders never cease...

However, I promise to be less connected to her real life. I am going to leave her availability completely up to her, with the understanding in advance that I am there for what I like, and if she is unavailable, there will be other options looked at. If she is a committed escort, she will pull out all the stops, and if she isn't, I will pre-establish my freedom to look and partake elsewhere.

I am not going to engage in a relationship of exclusivity where I can not see my girlfriend, regardless of whether she is a ho or not. We have much to discuss in order to reach the final details, but I want what I want, and I must have what I want to justify the cost of returning. Ultimately, it will be up to her. But, I can give her the "feelings" she is looking for, the exclusivity, the "fiel a ti," and willingly. It will all depend on her ability to take care of me. I know what I want, how I want it, and I will make my decisions tactically based on whether I am getting it...it is really quite simple really. But, regardless, my tactics, at least with her, are honed sufficiently now that I know better than to fuck it up like I did last time. No more paying for salidas unless the girl is frickin' J-Lo incarnate, 1000 pesos for 12 hours, or todo la noche, and my "G" girl is off on some other tangent. And, I will never be honest with her again...:D stupidly telling her what indiscretions I may have made out of precociousness in an effort to salvage an already suspect quasi "relationship."

This is not an attempt to hi-jack your change in the subject Mill. I will get back to the subject at hand...But, I had to interject the turn of events, and also to illustrate that I believe what I have is most definitely an escort type of experience going on with my "G" girl.

This means that upon my return, I will engage in the same kind of scenario as before, determine her availablility, take advantage of the perks associated with having my relationship with her, and if the perks are not as prolific, or there are disappointments in comparison to other times, or she is unavailable, I will go to plan B, access my other options, maybe give the escort scene a try, or maybe run this all simultaneously, etc...time permitting.

But, one thing I know, "G" wants to maintain the facade that we are committed, and that she is exclusive. I can play my role quite well, and I am especially good at it now after having already fucked it up once. I will not make the mistake twice, not, that is, unless I am wanting a change altogether, which I do not anticipate at this juncture.

So, back to the new issue at hand, with some references to "G" to illustrate my points.

I have to agree with you Mill with respect to the strip clubs. It occurs to me that over the past year, I have, for all intents and purposed, adopted the same opinion of them, hence my "G" girl scenario developed as a result of myh having those same opinions. I won't rehash your conclusions, other than to say you are very accurate with respect to your conclusions about the hassles associated with clubbing.

I believe that over the past year, I was truly engaged in more of an escort type of arrangement, and I had certainly less time in the clubs as a result of spending time with my "G" girl. By doing so, I believe that I was consciously avoiding all the games you referred to in your former post, and consciously engaged in a completely different kind of experience than working the strip clubs. The financial advantages of my "escort" arrangement with "G" were so far superior to the club girl experience that it just serves to establish that your theory about an escort kind of experience versus a club girl experience is right-on. What I don't know is whether the actual escort scene in Monterrey could have yielded the same "escort" experience I am achieving with "G," in more than her single circumstance, we all realizing too of course that she is actually a club girl, keeping in mind that what I had, and apparently have again with her, is not typical of the routine club girl salida experience.

I will, upon my return, engage in the same kinds of behaviors, unless things sour again. I really like (love) my "G" girl, but it's the "scenario" that has me hooked. I am in love with the scenario, with the illusion of "love" from a real girlfriend. She delivers that in a much different way than most will encounter the strip club girls on salida. WastedG and Carlos get their sessions delivered from their respective girls in much the same way, with the GFE I enjoy. They choose to work the field, seeing a wider range of girls, but in my circumstance, due to several factors, one being that my "G" girl responds best to exclusivity, and the second being that I prefer the hi-bred escort experience versus working a number of girls for hi-bred escort sessions. My "G" girl, in order for her to deliver the emotion, requires me to maintain the illusion of exclusivity and commitment.

What I experience with "G" is so much more of the typically USA defined escort quality of experience. So much so, that I really hesitate to go with other options from the clubs. It's just that I get so much more from the "escort" arrangement, from my "G" girl. I know that "G" is not really an escort per se, but we interact so much differently than you would normally interact with just a club girl. Plus, I get her attentions for long-time, and at such comparatively bargain basement prices that it sounds like I am getting very similiar experiences to what you have been able to cultivate for yourself there in Morelia, where you are able to obtain freebies, long-time if you want it, all for the same price, or even a substantial discount compared to what all the other working stiffs have to pay from the club girls on salida. Plus, I have made a friend of her, just as you described getting close to you escort friends. As you say, the realities are little sobering to say the least, but it's an entirely different kind of experience than limiting your activities to MPs, in club services, etc...WastedG and Carlos both know what I am talking about, the additional range of intimacy and friendship we enjoy is far beyond what is normally experienced in the club setting.

However, in my particular circumstances, my "G" girl's delivery is affected adversely if I opening stray from her, and honestly, she is there with me most of the time anyway, just like a real girlfriend, voluntarily. So, even my option to bar fine other girls or engage in other activities, except for banter in the clubs, is limited by her making herself always available to me.

Last night, in talking to her, she wants to resume where we left off, which means that, in return for her time commitments, and her apparent desire to maintain what she had with me formerly, I will be very careful in the future about offending her. Truthfully, the escort route is probably the better seperate option for me in Monterrey under these newly developing circumstances because I literally do NOT want to fuck up what I have with my "G" girl, and on the off chance that she actually feels something legit, I do not want to hurt her either.

After talking to her last night, I realize that whatever I did to offend her last month has passed, but I am not so dumb as to fuck it up twice. Only time will tell if what we formerly had returns to normal when I return, but I got the distinct impression that she wants whatever we had back again, and that upon my return, we will resume where we left off.

So, for me, were I also able to cultivate the same kind of "escort" experience as I have with "G," I would always choose to do so. But, to do otherwise by playing the field openly, would jeapardize what I have with "G." She is very possessive of her "relationship" with me, whatever and however you define that. And, regardless of whether anyone wishes to describe it as a legitimate relationship or not, the jealousy factor with respect to my conducting myself any way other than as "her" quasi, fantasy-land, novio, or if you wish, her looyal client, her lap-dog patron, one that puts her on a pedastal of exclusivity, and for whatever psychological reasons that is important to her, etc...for me to do anything otherwise sabotages the dynamic I have with her. So, I prefer to maintain the dynamic that yields what I like, versus what other options I generally find available to me in the clubs. Plus, "G" and I have a familiarity between us now after so long that it transcends an estranged P4P kind of thing. It is much more akin to a having a familiar, regular, provider that functions as an escort.

Everybody asks, "Where did USB go wrong?" "How did USB get off course over the last year?" I believe that I adopted your same opinions of the strip clubs MJ, even though I do enjoy engaging in banter with some of the girls in the clubs. Engaging in banter in the clubs is an entirely different acitivity than actually having them back to your place. I actually like doing both, but they are seperate activites, neither of which is necessarily dependent on the other tactically until you have identified and targeted a girl for salida purposes.

That's why, for me, the whole schtick of the cookies, the dulces, etc...is something that really doesn't affect me per se, if in fact one assumes it's a detriment to one's ability to get girls on salida. As you know, I do not subscribe to the idea that my schtick has any detrimental affect on that, because I literally seek a very specific kind of result on salida from a relatively finite range of selection in the clubs anyway.

If I choose to engage in the schtick, it is for my amusement in the clubs, and not to achieve any particular objective to find girls that will go on salida with me. Those girls, I already have targeted, and I work them differently than just the girls that I banter with in some of the clubs. I have many, many options in girls to select from with respect to salidas, many more than mis amigos are aware of. But, when it comes to my schtick, I engage in it for fun in and of itself, and not necessarily as a tactic, trying to impress or anything like that.

This is paricularly true of the high end clubs like Obsession and Prestige, where the girls are much more difficult to get out of the clubs and to have them function as escorts. That distinction is primarily because they are usually worried about being found out by their management, so sessions are limited to the hotel rooms, and they are rarely interested in being seen at the movies, at dinner, at the mall, etc...

Most of my effort with regard to my schtick is in these high end clubs, and not so much in the lower end bars, at least not early on. Lately, I have taken the schtick on the road, and branched out more. But, Initially it was a schtick perpetrated in the high-end bars, specifically Obsession and Prestige, strictly for fun and my own personal amusement, primarily because I had very low expectations for any kind of action on salida from that selection of girls.

This is particularly the problem I am currently experiencing with a particular girl at Prestige, where she is living in club owned apartments, apparently accepting from the them whatever perks are associated with living in their club owned facilities, and as a result, her activities are closely monitored by management, etc...So, getting her out of the bar to begin with, never mind the wanting an "escort" kind of arrangement, is really hard enough to accomplish, plus I want more from her. I want the GFE, escort kind of scenario as one of my "G" girl backups.

But, when it comes right down to actually having a girl at my side, I find the girls from the strip clubs to be expensive with respect to time spent, and generally they have been hit and miss with respect to quality of sessions. When I found a girl in the clubs that satisfied my preferences, my "G" girl, I latched onto her, almost turning her into my own personal escort.

Of course, I also realize that my preferences are a little different than my amigos. They all seem pretty satisfied with their short-time session quality from the girls, and I have no doubt that their girls deliver well. And, don't misunderstand, I have other girls in the strip clubs that are fun, good short-time session quality, available, etc...But, what they offer is not the same type of experience as my "G" girl, and escort experience.

But, I believe that what I seek from my girlfriends most of the time is truly more of the escort kind of experience. Certainly, when you define the word "escort" it hints of a much broader, possibly even deeper, more meaningful kind of encounter than just a sexual session from a strip club girl. Typically, the SC girl or MP girl encounter is a worldwind kind of encounter, 45 minutes to 1.5 hours and they are out the door, and that's if you're lucky and they don't short change you on time. The escort kind of experience, due to it's very nature, contradicts much of the "larceny" that seems to follow the MP and SC girl typical behaviors. I believe that is really the crux of your argument with respect to the escort services, and I agree with you.

Certainly, that is the case in the US, where the escort is expected to have the ability to function as not only a sexual partner, but also as a companion, engaging in other activites with the "John," and with some affection (ie:ala Pretty Woman), at least well acted out, some personality and charm, and even possibly some sincerity over time, she having an eye to future sessions of a similiar nature, with the intent of establishing a client base of familiar, regular, predictable, financially successful, safe patrons. Certainly the status of an escort is typically considered, at least in the US, to be much higher in the pecking order than a bar fly, street walker, MP girl, or stripper, etc..

I believe the escort is certainly a safer business for a girl to engage in than to be available otherwise to random clients visiting the strip clubs, such as what is engaged in primarily in the strip clubs on salida, although going on actual salida is quite rare for most strip club girls. They simply make more money by remaining in the clubs, and frankly, most of the patrons in those clubs do not spend that kind of money when they can screw the girls in the privados for 400 pesos. We visiting Gringos are quite the exception, and we get a lot of attention as a result.

I am primarily referring to the lower to medium level strip clubs, and not with respect to the high end clubs, where I believe some of the girls may actual cultivate clients for activities outside the club, and usually at a significantly higher cost to the client. However, the high-end strip club management will come down very hard on the girls if they are caught servicing clients outside the clubs, so the girl have to be very discrete if they take on a regular "escort" kind of client from the high end strip clubs.

For those reasons, I believe that while some of the girls have their "special" clients, the escort kind of experience is relatively rare from the high end strip club girls. Plus, a very high percentage of high end strip club girls seem to be vestal virgins, and they do not engage in activities outside the clubs at all. Even the lower end strip club girl selection is seemingly becoming less and less available with respect to seeing guys outside the clubs. There seems to be many more vestal virgins in the bars over the last two years.

In my interviewing process over the past two years, it seems that a higher percentage of the girls in the clubs are limiting their acitivies strictly to in-club activities, and many have opted not to engage in activities outside the bars. For some, it's because they are concerned that unaware friends and family will see them out and about with a client, and for others of them, it's just not as profitable for them as remaining in the clubs where they can scam their clients with drinks and privados, easily running a game on many of the, and many of which are half drunk.

The truth is, in Monterrey, the escort business, while I haven't really tested it out myself, I have always been of the impression that it's not really something I would be satisfied with. I am under the impression that I wouldn't like the escorts themselves. I've always heard that the relative quality of selection compared to the clubs, due to the ability of girls to make better money working the clubs, make more money merely selling drinks and engaging in activities in the privados, affects the quality of selection, that it is comparatively substandard, as is the selection in the MPs is as well.

I should really test the "escort" venue myself directly by trying a few of the escort services, if nothing else but as an experiment to determine the validity of my biased conclusions, not having directly sampled it in the past. However, with respect to the one thing I believe the clubs have over an escort service is the ability to choose based on appearance, and be relatively certain of what you are getting, versus having the girl sent to you, sight unseen, body quality virtually undetected until you are fully committed, etc...

However, based on your reports of the escort scene in Morelia MJ, and according to Carlos' recommendations to me in the past with respect to escorts in Monterrey, and considering that I trust the assessments from both of you very much, the escort business seems like it would not be as viable in Monterrey as you are finding in Morelia. But, as I said, I need to give a try just to verify the realities in Monterrey first before passing final judgement from me personally.

Just so we can get off the topic of Uno's love affair with his "G" girl and her apparent complete and total lack of knowledge of said love affair, I offer up this possible detour:

What do you guys see as the benefit of mongering in strip clubs over MP's (of all levels) and escorts?

In my opinion, which is based solely on my Morelia experience and my mongering experience in 15 other Mexican cities, I have leaned towards escorts and MP's just for ease of use and the cost/reward ratio mentioned in one of my posts earlier.

Personally, although I have nothing specifically bad to say about my strip club days, I have retired from them and have no intention of ever setting foot back in that world again. I guess I came to that conclusion after realizing that the reason I monger is for the girls and to have sex with said girls. In the strip clubs, there is just too much work in sifting through the chicas and then negotiating with them all the while dodging the waiters, boleteros and managers who are there to "help" you out by steering you toward emptying your wallet. I do fine in that environment and defend myself quite well, but all of that was just distracting me from my ultimate goal- the chicas!

I found that for the price of drinks in a club, I can have a quality escort show up in the comfort of my own apartment or get a quality massage parlor cutie to give me FS plus a massage in the relative privacy of her room.

Then, when you find the chica at the strip club who you want to take out, you spend another sum of money, greater than the amount you had spent on drinks. Again, for the price of that strip club chica, you can get a good escort or MP in a non-pressure atmosphere, plus have enough left over for a nice meal and a movie.

Now, by my calculation, that's two quality sessions, a nice meal and a movie for the price of one service from a strip club chica. And, at least here in the Heartland, the escorts can be every bit as hot as the strippers and with a lot less attitude and/or emotional hang ups.

So, what's the draw of the strip clubs? I recognize that my participation in the scene was a tactical mistake on my part, something that actually prevented me from getting the quality service that I had become accustomed to in previous years. Every peso spent in a strip club was a peso that wasn't working for me. I was treading water in the strip clubs, always playing a losing hand because the industry of strip clubs in general is set up that way- like the casino in Vegas that will pay some out, but will eventually favor the house. In the clubs, I'd find real gems and feel like I was getting a bargain until I actually sat down and did the calculations. And what about the bad nights when nothing appealed to me or I was just not in the mood for anything?

So, what's the deal in MTY? I'm sure that there are many other options than the strip clubs. Is it the lights and music that draws you to them? Is it the illusions offered up by the chicas? Is it the friendship of fellow mongers? I know it can't be the price or the convenience.

I know some will look at the prices of the high end MTY MPs and say, "2000 pesos per session? Ridiculous!" but how much do you spend in the strip clubs to get a session- factoring in drinks, transportation, privados, bar fine and the chicas pay? The price comes out to be more in the strip clubs and you have to spend sometimes hours there looking for the right chica- when in an MP, you pay the money and cut right to the chase. And if you want to get to know the chica- where better than in a quiet, non-stressed hotel room or massage room?

So, what is it guys? What's the draw? Is it the illusion of feeling like a Roman emperor in the middle of all his slave girls? Or do crazy chicas and watered-down drinks get you horny? :)

Mill Just

10-25-07, 17:30

Official Uno Stats:

Number of mentions of his "G" girl in Uno's last post: 33

Can I suggest that we rename this thread to: "The My Darling "G" Girl, Who Really Loves Me, Thread" or simply, "G" Girl, "G" Girl, "G" Girl?

All this talk, Uno, Is making me want to get to know her...Hmmmm...I just might schedule a trip up Norte to sample her wares for myself....I just can't stop thinking about her, G..............G..............G.............G...................

MonterreyDude

10-25-07, 19:41

Mill...
I don't like MPs cause they are unpersonal, detached, cold (for starters, the girls don't even ask you name).
I totally respect your preferences Mill, but to be honest, in this kind of situation, even if the girl is naked, spread open for me, I won't be able to get it up.
I can only enjoy my relationship with another girl only if there is a liason with her, empathy, whatever you want to call it.

There is one thing I've been telling USB for a long time, that I can tell you in a glance if the girl is good or not (90% guarantee), and I can get that girl to eat from my hand (50% of the time) in a couple of visits.
Hell... am 49 and I have 18 year olds surprised that they like a guy 30 years their senior.
I can't do this at MPs... not at all.
Same goes for escorts.

Summing it up: I prefer my adventures to be up close and a personal, not intimate.
I do not let my priorities get mess up and being the girl business, a business, I leave everything at the workplace, I do not take anything to my home.

Just so we can get off the topic of Uno's love affair with his "G" girl and her apparent complete and total lack of knowledge of said love affair, I offer up this possible detour:

What do you guys see as the benefit of mongering in strip clubs over MP's (of all levels) and escorts?

In my opinion, which is based solely on my Morelia experience and my mongering experience in 15 other Mexican cities, I have leaned towards escorts and MP's just for ease of use and the cost/reward ratio mentioned in one of my posts earlier.

Personally, although I have nothing specifically bad to say about my strip club days, I have retired from them and have no intention of ever setting foot back in that world again. I guess I came to that conclusion after realizing that the reason I monger is for the girls and to have sex with said girls. In the strip clubs, there is just too much work in sifting through the chicas and then negotiating with them all the while dodging the waiters, boleteros and managers who are there to "help" you out by steering you toward emptying your wallet. I do fine in that environment and defend myself quite well, but all of that was just distracting me from my ultimate goal- the chicas!

I found that for the price of drinks in a club, I can have a quality escort show up in the comfort of my own apartment or get a quality massage parlor cutie to give me FS plus a massage in the relative privacy of her room.

Then, when you find the chica at the strip club who you want to take out, you spend another sum of money, greater than the amount you had spent on drinks. Again, for the price of that strip club chica, you can get a good escort or MP in a non-pressure atmosphere, plus have enough left over for a nice meal and a movie.

Now, by my calculation, that's two quality sessions, a nice meal and a movie for the price of one service from a strip club chica. And, at least here in the Heartland, the escorts can be every bit as hot as the strippers and with a lot less attitude and/or emotional hang ups.

So, what's the draw of the strip clubs? I recognize that my participation in the scene was a tactical mistake on my part, something that actually prevented me from getting the quality service that I had become accustomed to in previous years. Every peso spent in a strip club was a peso that wasn't working for me. I was treading water in the strip clubs, always playing a losing hand because the industry of strip clubs in general is set up that way- like the casino in Vegas that will pay some out, but will eventually favor the house. In the clubs, I'd find real gems and feel like I was getting a bargain until I actually sat down and did the calculations. And what about the bad nights when nothing appealed to me or I was just not in the mood for anything?

So, what's the deal in MTY? I'm sure that there are many other options than the strip clubs. Is it the lights and music that draws you to them? Is it the illusions offered up by the chicas? Is it the friendship of fellow mongers? I know it can't be the price or the convenience.

I know some will look at the prices of the high end MTY MPs and say, "2000 pesos per session? Ridiculous!" but how much do you spend in the strip clubs to get a session- factoring in drinks, transportation, privados, bar fine and the chicas pay? The price comes out to be more in the strip clubs and you have to spend sometimes hours there looking for the right chica- when in an MP, you pay the money and cut right to the chase. And if you want to get to know the chica- where better than in a quiet, non-stressed hotel room or massage room?

So, what is it guys? What's the draw? Is it the illusion of feeling like a Roman emperor in the middle of all his slave girls? Or do crazy chicas and watered-down drinks get you horny? :)

MonterreyDude

10-25-07, 19:47

USB say: "G" and me are back together already...courtesy of telcel and about 2 hours of..."

Oh my God...
So we are back on the ride again, back on square one and on the wrong side of the track.

Mark my words, remember USB what I told you once of my former girlfriends, the ones I broke with and then after a while come back again: It is not the same then, as is now.

But then again, then and now, you never paid heed to advice.

Mill Just

10-25-07, 20:34

Carlos,

Then the game IS quite different in MTY than in Morelia. Here, going to my favorite MP is like stepping into a small social club where we sit, eat and chat...and then fuck, of course. Not a cold, impersonal atmosphere at all.

Same goes with escorts here who are often (obviously, not always) very personable and warm and willing to go that extra mile while their stripper counterparts have to be worked on and worked on ($$$) to get that kind of service.

I guess I gravitate towards the MP chicas and Escorts here in Morelia because their only motivation is to get you back as a customer. There are no drinks to buy or privados to book- their only tool to get you to come back to them is good sex...So, once they get lazy, they make no money...

But I have been to some MPs in other areas that are very impersonal and mechanical and, I agree, they do nothing for me. Although I'll still get off, the act is more like masturbation than real sex.

Mill...
I don't like MPs cause they are unpersonal, detached, cold (for starters, the girls don't even ask you name).
I totally respect your preferences Mill, but to be honest, in this kind of situation, even if the girl is naked, spread open for me, I won't be able to get it up.
I can only enjoy my relationship with another girl only if there is a liason with her, empathy, whatever you want to call it.

There is one thing I've been telling USB for a long time, that I can tell you in a glance if the girl is good or not (90% guarantee), and I can get that girl to eat from my hand (50% of the time) in a couple of visits.
Hell... am 49 and I have 18 year olds surprised that they like a guy 30 years their senior.
I can't do this at MPs... not at all.
Same goes for escorts.

Summing it up: I prefer my adventures to be up close and a personal, not intimate.
I do not let my priorities get mess up and being the girl business, a business, I leave everything at the workplace, I do not take anything to my home.

Member #3453

10-25-07, 20:59

MonterreyDude

10-25-07, 21:03

Mill... yes, seems no city is the same.
You should come up here, now that we can't go down to Morelia.

Carlos,

Then the game IS quite different in MTY than in Morelia. Here, going to my favorite MP is like stepping into a small social club where we sit, eat and chat...and then fuck, of course. Not a cold, impersonal atmosphere at all.

Same goes with escorts here who are often (obviously, not always) very personable and warm and willing to go that extra mile while their stripper counterparts have to be worked on and worked on ($$$) to get that kind of service.

I guess I gravitate towards the MP chicas and Escorts here in Morelia because their only motivation is to get you back as a customer. There are no drinks to buy or privados to book- their only tool to get you to come back to them is good sex...So, once they get lazy, they make no money...

But I have been to some MPs in other areas that are very impersonal and mechanical and, I agree, they do nothing for me. Although I'll still get off, the act is more like masturbation than real sex.

Member #3453

10-25-07, 21:21

Mill... yes, seems no city is the same.
You should come up here, now that we can't go down to Morelia.

NOoooooo!!! Now he has me worried... :D He, and about a thousand others. :D

El Cabron 007

10-26-07, 14:23

What's this? Where have I heard this before? Oh wait, those are the exact advices we have lost our voices trying to get through Bob's head.

How could it be?

However, I promise to be less connected to her real life. I am going to leave her availability completely up to her, with the understanding in advance that I am there for what I like, and if she is unavailable, there will be other options looked at. If she is a committed escort, she will pull out all the stops, and if she isn't, I will pre-establish my freedom to look and partake elsewhere.

MonterreyDude

10-26-07, 15:37

I agree... one thing is said, but what is done is completly different.

I still insist that USB must come down and start from scratch, reinvent himself, examine where he lost track of things and control of the situation.

I hope this is true: "However, I promise to be less connected to her real life.".... cause that was your Winter of your discontent.

USB says: "I am going to leave her availability completely up to her, with the understanding in advance that I am there for what I like, and if she is unavailable, there will be other options looked at."

If there is money involved, of course she will be available.

USB says: "If she is a committed escort, she will pull out all the stops,"

If there is money involved, of course she will put out all the stops.

USB says: "and if she isn't, I will pre-establish my freedom to look and partake elsewhere."

You are the one with the money, no need to pre-establish anything.

Going back to the "reinventing-starting from scratch" part... you can start by eradicating from your vocabulary the word "compansate" and substitute it for "paying".
You know, as in "I didn't pay for her services, I compensated her abscence from the club".
As in now am going to pay fair and square for her time with me and not pressure her to be with me when I compensated her for company.

This are the things to be taken in mind when I say "reinvent".

What's this? Where have I heard this before? Oh wait, those are the exact advices we have lost our voices trying to get through Bob's head.

How could it be?

Member #3453

10-26-07, 16:00

What's this? Where have I heard this before? Oh wait, those are the exact advices we have lost our voices trying to get through Bob's head.

How could it be?

This is just an original idea of mine...something I came up with on my own. :D If you pay attention, you might learn from the "Great One."

Member #3453

10-26-07, 16:51

My comments will make me sound very wishy-washy. And, this post is not about my "G" girl, it is more about the motivation to return...although she certainly factors into the overall conclusions I'm reaching with respect to what my preferences are, and how available that is in MTY.

Actually, after talking to her on the phone the other night, I was quite pleased how our conversation went, the joy and optomism in her voice, she realizing that I was actually not angry with her, and that I had not chosen to completely have forgotten about her as a consequence to her telling me it was over, that we should not see each other any more, and that we are not talking, etc...Well, we are certainly talking now...

But, in retrospect, I am still not sure when or if I will be returning. She asked me when I will be coming back to Monterrey, and I told her it may not be soon. I told her that my return hinges entirely on her, on whether we can have the same scenario we had before.

It occurs to me that if I can't have the same scenario I experienced early on with respect to her a-typical treatment of me, and if she is merely going to play the ho to me under the typical MTY circumstances, which of course, is what all on ISG assume has been going on all along, then I have little desire to return. No re-invention of myself is going to change what it is I enjoyed from her initially.

I am strictly waiting for some sign...some aggressive indication from her that things are as they once were. But, I also realize that such a sign will probably never materialize. So, why return...for what? Void of my "G" girl, and more importantly, her delivery, it only serves to annoy me when I am there, except of course the enjoyment I receive fraternizing with my amigos.

The other girls playing all their little aggravating games only serves to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off, and make me reluctant to have spent the money to get there, not to mention the money I sometimes throw away on surrogates that more typically result in a huge disappointment compared to my "G" girl's GFE.

My "G" girl never really jerked me around in the past. That is what distinguished her so vividlly from the other girls, and her treatment of me last month is the single factor that causes me pause at returning now. She just started to do so with this recent circumstance, and that has me having very serious second thoughts about returning, versus just forgetting about her and MTY. She will have to convince me otherwise, that there is the initial scenario of sincerity, but I don't know how that will occur when, in reality, she has possibly morphed into a girl that holds her head so high in the club that she believes she does not have to work at it any more.

You see, as much as I love her, I also detect in her a transition. That transition affected me last month. Did I not predict it with the advent of the boob job? Of course I did. And, up to that point, any transition that may have occurred previously in her from about April or May of this year, may not have been played on me by her until last month.

You all know how analytical I am. I am seeing her in a slightly different light. She claimed that I burst her bubble last month, and perhaps her behavior toward me has now burst mine. Even as well as we get along as friends, and as much as I love her in many ways, I am skeptical that she will be able to entice me to return to her. I mean that with respect to what she was so good at giving me before.

As I always have said, it was never about the sex...sex is a dime a dozen in Monterrey. No, what she delivered was something totally believable, and now, a possible eventualized charade, mostly due to her changes, is exposed to the light of day. I don't know how she will be able to revive it.

Perhaps that was what she was telling me last month when she told me that she did not think we should see each other again. Perhaps she was feeling then that same thing that I sort of feel now, that the sincerity we both enjoyed was compromised as a result of our collective behavior.

Perhaps when I compromised my sincerity with her by bar fining the other girl, she was feeling a little of the same thing I am feeling now, that her treatment of me, as a result, compromised the sincerity level overall...and that it has possibly effected our whole "arrangement," the rarity of what it was predicated on initially, a sincerity level that is not typically found in P4P.

Here is the dilemma...I have to first get the motivation to return, spending $1000US just to get there, only for the prospect that she can somehow rekindle what we once had together, with the same level of sincerity, and in light of the changes to her demeanor and attitude that I have sensed lately with respect to something as simple as her own confidence level, I have some reservations.

So, it requires a huge leap of faith on my part. I always believed she was very sincere with me, and when it was going on, especially early on, I believed her affections toward me were totally genuine regardless of the money, and I still believe that for her in the moment. But, I also believe that as time has progressed, and based upon her changes, that she has adopted a more mercenary general attitude...all this said of course within the context that I still love her death.

But now, I sense her motivations are possibly too mercenary for me to risk a return. I don't know if one can turn it around over the phone, me being 1000 miles from her, and my also having the sobering affects of a normal life to reign in my foolish, seemingly naive, and overlay sentimental behaviors. And, I doubt she is analytical like me, or even intelligent enough, although she is a very cunning girl, to realize what she needs to do to make my return imminent.

As we were about to hang up the phone the other night, after talking a long time, she actually said "Gracias." Uhmmm, maybe there is something to it. But, if not, I have no desire to return in the near term, not reinvent myself, not to rekindle what she may no longer be in a position to deliver, etc...If all I have to look forward to is the common merceny treatment of the average MTY bar girl, then I have lost interest in returning. I have not endured that kind of treatment for a year, I have avoided it at the hands of my "G" girl, and I have not desire to seek it now, or to experience it from my "G" girl.

You know...I thought I had fucked up when I alienated her, and I surely contributed to the circumstances knowing her as I do. But, it now occurs to me that perhaps she is the one that fucked up. But, if she feels that she did fuck it up, and she wishes she had not had that reaction to me last month, which would be a sincere attitude on her part, even if motivated even partially by money, which I doubt, then there is hope.

But, the money factor is a huge part of it. If money is the base of her motivations, which I always doubted due to the "time spent" factor, and her very low return on investment, then there is very little hope of my returning.

A lot of whether I return will be up to her...I will gage her desire to prompt my quick return based on her attempts to contact me, her attempts to talk to me, what she has to say when and if I speak to her by phone again, etc...

I will really miss her, the old "G," like she was with me six months ago, before the changes, when we both enjoyed the GFE/BFE fantasy. Because, if what awaits me otherwise is just the same kind of girl, the types that are otherwise a dime a dozen in the clubs, I have NO interest in returning. If that is all that awaits me, then it is of no value to me...except of course to see my amigos...you guys are the greatest :D

But, if she sincerely does want me returning, for whatever reason, she will never figure it out to do what needs doing without a map and a keeper. These girls simply are not sophisticated enough to put a plan in place and follow through with it. They all live moment to moment with very little thought to long term planning. I guess I should not expect otherwise, so my return is probably not that likely. But, thanks for trying...It all hinges on her though.

I agree... one thing is said, but what is done is completly different.

I still insist that USB must come down and start from scratch, reinvent himself, examine where he lost track of things and control of the situation.

I hope this is true: "However, I promise to be less connected to her real life.".... cause that was your Winter of your discontent.

USB says: "I am going to leave her availability completely up to her, with the understanding in advance that I am there for what I like, and if she is unavailable, there will be other options looked at."

If there is money involved, of course she will be available.

USB says: "If she is a committed escort, she will pull out all the stops,"

If there is money involved, of course she will put out all the stops.

USB says: "and if she isn't, I will pre-establish my freedom to look and partake elsewhere."

You are the one with the money, no need to pre-establish anything.

Going back to the "reinventing-starting from scratch" part... you can start by eradicating from your vocabulary the word "compansate" and substitute it for "paying".
You know, as in "I didn't pay for her services, I compensated her abscence from the club".
As in now am going to pay fair and square for her time with me and not pressure her to be with me when I compensated her for company.

This are the things to be taken in mind when I say "reinvent".

El Cabron 007

10-26-07, 17:25

me quiere, no me quiere
she loves me, she loves me not

But, thanks for trying...It all hinges on her though.

Who are you thanking for trying?

Bob, Bob, Bob,

When your ho dumps you becasue you 'sampled' another and then returns to you asking for your blessing, you still say it is up to her. No Bob, you've already established that she's OK with you 'sampling' others. Don't you see it?

She is there for you 'IF YOU WANT HER TO BE' and not the other way around. She now has to fight her way to your heart. Set back and anjoy the ride. I know I do.

That's all I have to say.

Wasted

Member #3453

10-26-07, 17:46

No...it must be just as you said.

"She now has to fight her way to your heart."

She was quite specific about things needing to be how they were before between us...so, I do not believe she would be alright with me conducting myself like I did last month, and bar fining other girls. Besides, that whole thing only serves to damage my scenario.

I have virtually given up because, literally, she does not have the benefit of reading my mind, and she thinks like a ho, wanting to conduct herself as such, and thinking I am like all her other clients, believing that her future treatment of me will be sufficient as my ho. I do not want her wanting me back as a client, nor do I enjoy the prospect of thinking of her as a ho, even when I intellectually realize that she is. If that is the future dynamic, I am done.

You guys have the benefit of my explanations here, knowing in vivid and prolific detail, that I am not like her other clients, regardless of your own states of confusion about my thought processes. She has to figure it all out on her own...I am not optomistic. I would try explaining all of this to her, but it is quite complicated by phone in Spanish...and, I am not really sure it's worth the $1000 investment to travel there to explain a scenario to a ho that probably has not intention of trying to make things that way I would prefer them to be in order to keep spending a $1000US to be there regularly.

I am disappointed at the prospect of not returning in the near term. But, who knows, maybe she is smarter than I think, and she will figure out what tactics she must use to entice me to risk another $1000 just for the privilege of explaining it, or for the opportunity to test it out over time so we can both find out.

But, more importantly, she probably does not even have a clue, or even the willingness, with respect to the sacrifices that will be necessary on her end, to achieve my satisfaction with respect to the way she conducts herself, so it is undoubtedly a lost cause anyway.

It was a nice ride...I will miss her.

me quiere, no me quiere
she loves me, she loves me not

Who are you thanking for trying?

Bob, Bob, Bob,

When your ho dumps you becasue you 'sampled' another and then returns to you asking for your blessing, you still say it is up to her. No Bob, you've already established that she's OK with you 'sampling' others. Don't you see it?

She is there for you 'IF YOU WANT HER TO BE' and not the other way around. She now has to fight her way to your heart. Set back and anjoy the ride. I know I do.

That's all I have to say.

Wasted

MonterreyDude

10-26-07, 18:24

Come on, be real... look at what USB says: "she realizing that I was actually not angry with her"

You angry at her?
Did we miss some part along the last loop of the roller coaster ride?

She dumped you, she was angry at you... even if your conversation stirred to the point of "am not angry, and you?... no, and you?" the reality of things is the she was angry at you, dumped you due to foolish acts and not the other way around.

So keep clear this idea or you will face her, again, with the wrong notion that you have everything under control.

No...it must be just as you said.

"She now has to fight her way to your heart."

She was quite specific about things needing to be how they were before between us...so, I do not believe she would be alright with me conducting myself like I did last month, and bar fining other girls. Besides, that whole thing only serves to damage my scenario.

I have virtually given up because, literally, she does not have the benefit of reading my mind, and she thinks like a ho, wanting to conduct herself as such, and thinking I am like all her other clients, believing that her future treatment of me will be sufficient as my ho. I do not want her wanting me back as a client, nor do I enjoy the prospect of thinking of her as a ho, even when I intellectually realize that she is. If that is the future dynamic, I am done.

You guys have the benefit of my explanations here, knowing in vivid and prolific detail, that I am not like her other clients, regardless of your own states of confusion about my thought processes. She has to figure it all out on her own...I am not optomistic. I would try explaining all of this to her, but it is quite complicated by phone in Spanish...and, I am not really sure it's worth the $1000 investment to travel there to explain a scenario to a ho that probably has not intention of trying to make things that way I would prefer them to be in order to keep spending a $1000US to be there regularly.

I am disappointed at the prospect of not returning in the near term. But, who knows, maybe she is smarter than I think, and she will figure out what tactics she must use to entice me to risk another $1000 just for the privilege of explaining it, or for the opportunity to test it out over time so we can both find out.

But, more importantly, she probably does not even have a clue, or even the willingness, with respect to the sacrifices that will be necessary on her end, to achieve my satisfaction with respect to the way she conducts herself, so it is undoubtedly a lost cause anyway.

It was a nice ride...I will miss her.

Member #3453

10-26-07, 20:19

ok, i'll bite...

you're right, she was angry with me...but, yet, first thing out of her mouth when i talked to her on the phone was, "are you mad?" you know what i said, "yes!, then no, then yes, then, no, then yes, then no." :d " te extrano."

if she is a ho, playing a ho's game, tell me why she had reason to be angry with me, i mean really, emotionally, angry...not just "business casual" angry, and why all the drama, the tears, the disappointment, the avoidance, the coldness? and why, if she was angry with me, does she ask if i am angry with her?

if she's a ho, playing a ho's game, she would not have been that visibly angry with me. there simply wasn't any money in it for her. and, therein, perhaps lies the issue. did she became angry because there was no money in it for her, and she was always there anyway for me, feeling that i was a waste of time? frankly, i think she is slowly morphing into a more mercenary girl, and i sense in her that she is struggling with her desire to play the semi-legit, semi-pro, with the need and desire to play the absolute, consumate pro. it is part of her personality defect that she needs to be making money on clients in order to feel worth anything. i theorize that the lack of compensation for time spent with me was starting to get to her. she was feeling used, perhaps. but, i never used her her. i loved her. i love her.

but then, in her texts, which porker witnessed when we were all over at prestige that friday, text replies that he helped me answer in more eloquently written spanish, she criticized me for always bringing up that she wanted my money, she stating exactly that "that's your problem usb, always thinking i want your money...she further stating "i never treated you like a client." funny, that's what angry girl kept saying too. but, "g" always said such conflicting things, first saying she does not need the money, screw her boss and the club, to saying that she had to make some money, and she didn't want to take mine, but it was all of a sudden soooo important that she be focused on the important things of life, at least to her, which translates to earning money, taking care of her son, her mother, etc...

i am sick of playing games, and that's what attracted me to "g," she did not play games with me initially. now, it just seems that it could be the start of game playing...now she is not angry, she is happy to hear from me, she is wanting me to return, "te quiero usb," even "i love you so much!" said in her wonderful spanish accented inglis...so cute.

up to now, "g" did not play games with me, and now, here we go...is she playing games now? and, if so, why? for the money? what money? 500-1000 pesos for all day. because, if she is wanting me to return, it will not be for the standard 1.5 hours at 1350 pesos. it will only be just exactly how it was before. she knows the depth of my true affections, my sincerity, she also knows that the money is no motivator.

after this last scenario, who knows? she had started to act like all the other hos in the bar toward me with this last scenario, or is she? i don't mean my recent phone call to her, that was the old "g" again. but, if she is just morphing into one of those regular mercenaries, and all that is going to happen is to have her running a game on me, i don't want to return to witness it.

i just simply don't want her treating my like a client. i don't want to be her client. i am not her client. i will not travel 1000 miles, or spend $1000us, to travel to be her client. i must be more than her client, or the gravy train :d 500-1000 pesos for todo la noche, and 8-12 hours of her time, stops. :d

besides, i doubt i will face her again because while she may have been angry, and is now amiable and affectionate with me, at least over the phone, she does not apparently value me sufficiently, not as a amigovio, and not apparently as a client, not enough to make the effort to see me return, which makes me wonder why she was angry to begin with, and if there is a game, what in the world kind of game is it?

this is exactly my point about different venues. here is the absolute best bar girl i have ever found in the entire world with respect to her attitude toward me in the moment, and she still is mired in game playing that you would not find in other parts of the world.

do you mexicano's have some kind of training academy established for mexican bar girls in cancun or somewhere...two weeks of intense training in how to play games and alienate clients, drive them bats? :d just kidding, but really, i don't want games, i want the truth so i can make my decision to return or not.

if she wants me to return, as she said that she does, she has to send me stronger more frequent messages that it will be worth $1000us to do so, and that i won't simply be bar fining her to experience the same level of mediocre gfe i could have obtained from any of her peers. i don't want her peers. she must think i am just using her...she is not being used, she is very special.

don't you see....that is what distinguished her from the others. she has to convince me that some of what she said to me previously was said in a fit of jealous anger, and not the true nature of her attitudes toward me. i don't want to return to see her, only to have her running off to tj or reynosa, just breaking my heart.

i don't know how she is going to convey it...no texts, no calls, no emails, no messages, no nothing...i won't return on a hunch about her sincerity, it' simply too expensive. and, if i do return, i will give her every bit of the exclusivity commitment i should have adhered to from the beginning. it is up to her.

come on, be real... look at what usb says: "she realizing that i was actually not angry with her"

you angry at her?
did we miss some part along the last loop of the roller coaster ride?

she dumped you, she was angry at you... even if your conversation stirred to the point of "am not angry, and you?... no, and you?" the reality of things is the she was angry at you, dumped you due to foolish acts and not the other way around.

so keep clear this idea or you will face her, again, with the wrong notion that you have everything under control.

Mill Just

10-26-07, 21:09

I don't want games, I want the truth so I can make my decision to return or not.

Truth was never part of the equation- not at any point in your "relationship." She gave you what you wanted, pushed all your buttons just so that she can have a generous gringo benefactor on reserve. It was all fantasy. A fantasy, by the way, that you said was all that ever mattered. You will die an old man before you ever get the truth from any of these chicas- at least not our idea of what the truth is.

I hope you actually read what I write. If not, I'll say it again: "You are asking of the chicas a level of sincerity and warmth that simply is beyond them. They don't even treat their own familes with such sincerity, how can you expect them to treat a john with that level of maturity?"

Are you waiting for a working girl to run up to you and make you feel her "love" for you, to beg you with tears in her eyes, to give up the business for ever and let her family be hungry to convince you? Or do you just want her to show up when she says she'll show up and give you the service that you like? If its the latter, then why the hell would you even care if she's sincere with you?

I suspect that you need her to love you...and for real. Stop kidding yourself, Uno, you are NOT playing some psychological game with her. She is the one with all the power over you and she is the one playing the psychological games on you.

Listen to yourself, buddy. Can you imagine anything so ridiculous as a John worrying about whether his hooker is mad at him and telling the truth about her feelings for him? Especially when said hooker is busy licking and humping and balling everyone in the club with a few bucks in his pockets.

I'll finish by quoting a line from the 40 year old Virgin: "You're putting the pussy on a pedastal."

Member #3453

10-26-07, 21:18

No...I think I do know the truth, and what Carlos originally said about relationships rekindled, and considering a cost of $1000US, I suspect it would not be worth the investment. I am enjoying the positioning between us though, and if I return, we'll see how she performs.

Truth was never part of the equation- not at any point in your "relationship." She gave you what you wanted, pushed all your buttons just so that she can have a generous gringo benefactor on reserve. It was all fantasy. A fantasy, by the way, that you said was all that ever mattered. You will die an old man before you ever get the truth from any of these chicas- at least not our idea of what the truth is.

I hope you actually read what I write. If not, I'll say it again: "You are asking of the chicas a level of sincerity and warmth that simply is beyond them. They don't even treat their own familes with such sincerity, how can you expect them to treat a john with that level of maturity?"

Are you waiting for a working girl to run up to you and make you feel her "love" for you, to beg you with tears in her eyes, to give up the business for ever and let her family be hungry to convince you? Or do you just want her to show up when she says she'll show up and give you the service that you like? If its the latter, then why the hell would you even care if she's sincere with you?

I suspect that you need her to love you...and for real. Stop kidding yourself, Uno, you are NOT playing some psychological game with her. She is the one with all the power over you and she is the one playing the psychological games on you.

Listen to yourself, buddy. Can you imagine anything so ridiculous as a John worrying about whether his hooker is mad at him and telling the truth about her feelings for him? Especially when said hooker is busy licking and humping and balling everyone in the club with a few bucks in his pockets.

I'll finish by quoting a line from the 40 year old Virgin: "You're putting the pussy on a pedastal."

MonterreyDude

10-26-07, 22:03

i still remember the usb that use to come down to monterrey.
the usb whose post made everyone green with envy cause in all sincerity, he was havin fun with tons of girls.
the usb that is posting right now is a guy that has fallen in the trap of his own gfe quest.

i just want to know what happened to that guy that came down here 2-3 year ago? where is he?

ps: i still insist that when usb started speaking spanish, that was the end of it... which by the way, i still insist, his spanish accent (one that i tried to correct) and the tone of voice he uses must be a turn off for girls and yes, i also have mentioned that to him, but again, he no longer pays attention to advice.

pps: i had forgotten this subject, but that can only be corrected in person, not via posts where he can´t pay attention to his manner of speech.

no...i think i do know the truth, and what carlos originally said about relationships rekindled, and considering a cost of $1000us, i suspect it would not be worth the investment. i am enjoying the positioning between us though, and if i return, we'll see how she performs.

Member #3453

10-26-07, 22:46

nice try....hahaha...getting me down there to practice spanish...

ok, i will come back. :d

go to her club, and tell her to start pursuing me like she did before. it is really all quite simple.

i still remember the usb that use to come down to monterrey.
the usb whose post made everyone green with envy cause in all sincerity, he was havin fun with tons of girls.
the usb that is posting right now is a guy that has fallen in the trap of his own gfe quest.

i just want to know what happened to that guy that came down here 2-3 year ago? where is he?

ps: i still insist that when usb started speaking spanish, that was the end of it... which by the way, i still insist, his spanish accent (one that i tried to correct) and the tone of voice he uses must be a turn off for girls and yes, i also have mentioned that to him, but again, he no longer pays attention to advice.

pps: i had forgotten this subject, but that can only be corrected in person, not via posts where he can´t pay attention to his manner of speech.

El Cabron 007

10-26-07, 23:07

Thank you Bob. You are correct. If it wasn't for you and your G drama, this section would be dead or not even born to start with. So thank you.

OK. I too want to go apologize to sweet P for taking Crunchy S, Crazy S, Hot D (Carlos' girl), Zully (Carlos’ Girl) young Yo (Bob's girl) Monsey (Mr. L's girl) Stacy (hot mamma. She's back), Skinny what's her face (X's she-husband) Viko (Mr. Q's girl), Juana (Bob & Mr. L's) July (Carlos' girl) ... and all the girls I loved before whose names I cannot recall. I want her to understand my sincere regret and ...

wait .. I couldn't give a sh8t what she thinks. She's already been substituted by many others only to have her learn the reason and she tries to give me what I had from them. But I could do without those blows.

Bob, stay home. Don't fall for Carlos' attempts to drag you back down. If you can stay away, you're the winner and they are the losers. You save on money and heartaches. Your family is more worthy of your pesos.

haha - When I asked Sexy X's girl to say hello to Sexy X, she called her and told her. She thanked her but told her to stay clear of Wasted. Sexy X is now telling her she-husband to not interact with me. And how did she do that? By taking me on a wild ride in the privados. yeah, I have plans for them both.

Wasted

You guys have the benefit of my explanations here, knowing in vivid and prolific detail, that I am not like her other clients, regardless of your own states of confusion about my thought processes. She has to figure it all out on her own...I am not optomistic. I would try explaining all of this to her, but it is quite complicated by phone in Spanish...and, I am not really sure it's worth the $1000 investment to travel there to explain a scenario to a ho that probably has not intention of trying to make things that way I would prefer them to be in order to keep spending a $1000US to be there regularly.

Member #3453

10-27-07, 03:07

This IS the only section that has shit to read and participate in, right? This section grows at leaps and bounds, and will surpass the regular sections in very short order, already containing 25% of the number of posts in just a few months compared to the Monterrey Section, which has been in existence for years upon years. Thank you for your continued patronage.

Listen, guys, I will shut up about my "G" girl if someone has some other, legit, drama they wish to post here, or even other stuff of whatever subject matter is of interest. MJ tried to get me off my "G" girl, and I appreciate that effort...I should have been more disciplined. But, alas, she has my soul, and I just can't stop thinking about her.

It might serve to distract me if some of you would come clean with your own dramas a little bit. I mean, hey, I remember just a few days ago, MJ making reference to one of his trists, and how it affected him. I would like to hear it, but no made up shit, and no hiding your true emotions just for the sake of trying to maintain a certain facade here on ISG. We are all friends here, even those of you that detest my guts, all I stand for, or don't stand for, all the BS, all the waste of band width, etc...

So, I am turning it over now to MJ...I expect you to tell the story of the girl that caused you some "thought," and to relay the story with the same honesty of thought that I put into my own posts. Please, you are the next one to contribute, then when you are done, please hand it off to another contributor of choice by naming them specifically.

And, Carlos, he talked of having at least two girls that put him through the ringer over the last 25 years. I would love to hear about it.

Of course, it's much better if it's happening to you in the here and now, much more emotion to enjoy, much more in the way of sincere expression in the writing, etc...But, I realize that some of you have hardened your hearts, and that some of you have adopted your strategies to protect your inner being, and that is understandable if you believe it's the wisest course of action for you. But, I choose to experience the fullness of the experience. I am no worse for wear financially. That is where I draw the line. That is the gage I use to determine the out of bounce markers.

WastedG, 'comon, you must have had some circumstances that you can relate to us with respect to your P4P career. How about what happened to you with what's her name???...the tall slim girl with the black hair, the one working over at Harem these days....Don't remember her name...Alzheimer's you know.

But, really, guys I have been mongering since I was a teenager, mostly in the US in those days, and later across the US in various cities where my work took me, and then most recently, over the last 7-8 years in foreign lands.

Frankly, I have never had the kinds of encounters in the US that I've had in Mexico, and other foreign venues, not even close to getting as close to US girls as I am so easily able to do with these Mexican girls.

There is simultaneously so much more enjoyment in the hobby when you get close to them, first beginning by running a game on them, a game run just as effectively as they do on you.

And, then, such as the case with my "G" girl, our running a game on one another, then things developing beyond the game. I have lived with her in the real world so much, so much "regular" living, mundane kinds of stuff, dinner, movies, dating her for real...seeing her in a different light than most will ever experience her. So much so now that we know each other quite well. The situation with her now is that I have found a girl that I click with, one that I believe there is something to the "realtionship," whatever that actual something might be defined as being...there is something there. It isn't "conventional," but it is there...she can not forget me. I am a part of her legitimate life. I have wormed my way into her being. I do it professionally in my work, and I apply the same principles that I use in my work on these girls. I get to know them inside, and I use what I learn to find their soft spots, eventually finding their buttons. Oh sure, they push my buttons, but do not think I don't find their buttons as well.

I have already articulated all her psychological motivators before, so you know what I mean when I talk of these girls having non-legitimate motivators, as in motivators that are not from the legitimate world. But, they are sincere motivators for them in their world. It has P4P written all over it, but it is still not P4P entirely...there is more to it than that.

I contend that it has to happen, once you maintain contact with a girl as long as I have, my "G" girl, and some others, giving them your almost undivided, regular, attention, attention that has nothing to do with sex, and attention that also has everything to do with sex, making love to her as a woman, and not a ho. Showing her in ways that demonstrate your sincerity to her, your care for her. It has to happen. Just like with WastedG and some of his favorites, the "P" and "X" girls being the best examples, but there are more. It has to happen with certain girls that you know well.

It is inevitable that if you click there will be a lot more "history" to build upon, your knowledge of them as people trascends P4P. You begin to know them first as friends, and then the familiarity, and the repeated visits, the long periods of time together, makes you a fixture in their legitimate lives, something they do not forget, or consider as "business," even when they will take from any and all that contribute. They are ho's...you must accept that about them first, to get beyond the barrier that keeps you from seeing them as people, which eventually gets you into their psyche, and their hearts as well.

"G" is not just sucking my dick in the privados, or even going with me on salida, and fucking me for one session or even two, as she does with her clients. We know each other very, very intimately, much better than I would ever even have known a legitimate girl taken on a few dates. I have routinely been with her in all kinds of circumstances, and a "significance" has developed. It has nothing to do with money, although she will always take from anyone if given the opportunity, certainly. Remember, she is a ho.

But, the bottom line, mongering for me now, with the depth of sincerity I experience, and the familiarity I refer to, offers the intensity I enjoy, a double edged sword, soothing my soul on the one hand, and ripping my heart out on the other. I wouldn't have it any other way.

I wouldn't go back to my "US' ho-ing experience. What I have in Monterrey, with "G" girl, and others, can not be experienced in the US, period. So, do not worry. I will be back to MTY some day.

I let it ALL hang out here on ISG, all 10" of it :D (NOT!) Ok, 91/2"... :D

The mark of a truely secure man is to let it all hang out, all the emotions, the doubt, all the naivete, all the foolishness, etc..I have nothing to prove by holding back on ISG. Whom do I have to impress? If you read my stuff, it is always from the heart and honestly expressed. And, when you read it, you'll notice wild fluctuations in my thought processes, somedays happy, other days sad, other days optomistic, other days pesimistic...and sometimes with my thoughts and feelings changing by the hour.

Other contributors are welcome...C'mon Cowboy UP mongers!!!

And, WastedG, whom is "young Yo (Bob's girl)"...I don't remember her, or I have forgotten her, or I might only know her by her real name. Kien Es?

Thank you Bob. You are correct. If it wasn't for you and your G drama, this section would be dead or not even born to start with. So thank you.

OK. I too want to go apologize to sweet P for taking Crunchy S, Crazy S, Hot D (Carlos' girl), Zully (Carlos’ Girl) young Yo (Bob's girl) Monsey (Mr. L's girl) Stacy (hot mamma. She's back), Skinny what's her face (X's she-husband) Viko (Mr. Q's girl), Juana (Bob & Mr. L's) July (Carlos' girl) ... and all the girls I loved before whose names I cannot recall. I want her to understand my sincere regret and ...

wait .. I couldn't give a sh8t what she thinks. She's already been substituted by many others only to have her learn the reason and she tries to give me what I had from them. But I could do without those blows.

Bob, stay home. Don't fall for Carlos' attempts to drag you back down. If you can stay away, you're the winner and they are the losers. You save on money and heartaches. Your family is more worthy of your pesos.

haha - When I asked Sexy X's girl to say hello to Sexy X, she called her and told her. She thanked her but told her to stay clear of Wasted. Sexy X is now telling her she-husband to not interact with me. And how did she do that? By taking me on a wild ride in the privados. yeah, I have plans for them both.

Wasted

Member #3453

11-23-07, 21:01

I had a great bar fine last night from TVO. This girl is 19 years old, blonde hair, size 5 jeans that are worn as tight as a pealing on an apple, really nice butt, nice hard abs, small natural breasts, and she likes sex a lot, lots of moaning, lots of writhing around, lots of scrunching up the facial expressions as she rides the range. And, the kissing??? Man, I have never been kissed like that, not like that, not even by "you know who." I sensed in her from the beginning in the club, a combination of attitude, reaction to stimuli, and a HOT body, the winning formula in my book, so I bar fined her.

She is now a contender for being at the top of the heap. That is really no small feat for any girl I bar fine in Monterrey, to be elligible for immediate inductance into the USB hall of fame. She was really that good, probably as good as...well, "you know who." But, maybe not quite the personality, or the GFE characteristics I also prefer. No other girl really approaches "you know who" with respect to carino. But, I digress, and my intention is to provide some new material. I simply use comparisons as a bench mark to articulate my assessment, and you all know my assessement of "you know who." Mentioning her just serves to illustrate the depth of my positive assessment of any new bar fines.

I will refer to new TVO girl as MY "S" girl. Yes, the 'my" this and "my" that will remain. Nothing is changing with respect to my routine. I know what works. And, they are mine, girls to be trained, girls to be brought along. This girl really needs no training in the sex part, but she will require some training in the carino aspect of GFE. She was starting to warm up to me in the end, and I expect she will be much more affectionate next time. I was having to demonstrate to her the finer points through my own best example. I hope she will pick up what I like through my own behavior.

But, sorry, I skipped ahead a little too much...Lets start back at the beginning.

She left her club with me after I bought her two drinks. At first, she was a little reluctant, and little scared, her first salida, so she says. She actually seemed to be sitting contemplating going on salida for the first time, and having some slight, but discernable trepidation.

We left TVO at 12:30am and she stayed with me until 5:30am, 5 hours. So, the "time committment" makes her elligible for distinction from the beginning. The bar fine is higher at TVO, 850 pesos, but the girl costing the same as all of them, 1000 pesos. She responded to me in ways that made her ultimately a favorite versus the mediocre or starfish kinds of experiences. I was able to negotiate more time with her by first offering the waiter a tip if he would intervene with the manager about the amount of time she could spend away from the club.

The manager did not really know whom he was dealing with initially because the waiter relayed the prescribed amount of time, 2 hours, no more. I told the waiter that if he would intervene on my behalf, I would give him a propina, and he came back after having told me that the manager agreed to let the girl stay out a total of 3 hours, if she was in agreement with that length of time. At first, she wasn't really willing. I mean she really doesn't know this Gringo, and it's her first time off premises, etc...You know, she just didn't want to get overly committed. But she finally agreed to 3 hours, and I gave the waiter an extra 200 pesos for his effort.

Well, when we finally went toward the door, the manager was standing there, and he recognized me, a big smile on his face, and he said something like "oh, it's you...," hand held out for his complimentary cookie ration. Of course, I gave him the cookies, and the manager told my "S" girl that she could stay out until closing if she wanted, just as long as she was back to collect her pay.

What is even funnier is that the "S" girl stayed so long, that the manager called her on her cell in our room at about 5am, wondering where she was. She was toasty warm, snuggled with me under the covers, and purring like a nice little pussy. I had just screwed her for the second one hour long session, and the both of us were just resting from being totally exhausted, listening to music on my laptop. My GOD she was wet. I believe her when she says she has never been upstairs yet, or that she has only been working a couple of weeks. Prior to this job, she was in some kind of business work.

I don't usually get too graphic in my descriptions of the actual events, but many have asked me to click it up a notch with respect to descriptions of my specific acts with these girls, and I intend to do that, but it takes time to develop that kind of writing style. I will start out slow.

Suffice it to say, she was quite good, initiating foreplay, a lot of kissing, unbelievable amount of kissing, more than "you know who" even. She was devouring my mouth during sex, her tongue was in the back of my throat, her lips were slobbering over mine line she was going to fuckin' eat me.

But, I digress, prior to sex, she gave me a really nice BJ, and during sex, oh man, the moaning and the writhing around. These are the elements of great sex. This was not a GFE girl, this was strictly great sex, and there is a distinction. If you can find both, it is really quite extraordinary. She was a moderate GFE girl, but she could use a little work.

Well, that's about it for the blow by blow descriptons. I'll try to elaborate more as time goes on. One has to develop these talents. Please be patient.

I have found a couple of new girls this trip, the one last night from TVO, and the girl from Poisson, one I have high hopes for, and I will look again tonight for other options. Now, normally, I would NEVER, ever visit the Poisson, verdad? I would avoid it like the plague due to the enhanced price points, but this was on a whim. I bought this new girl 1600 pesos worth of drinks, and she has agreed to meet me on Sunday on salida.

Another interesting development so far this trip is that Angry girl was going to go with me again from around 1:30am until closing. That is pretty decent time spent. I have stood her up twice now. I will have to follow through with her one of these nights or she is going to think I am being a total jerk to her. But, honestly, I am not that attracted to her as before, so sometimes if I find an alternate, I opt for the better scenario rather than to go back with a girl that really holds no surprises, present company of "you know who" accepted of course.

The best way to play the Angry Girl scenario is to respond to bar fine her if I do not find a better alternative, and not to set her up for being angry with me if I don't show up. Better to just show up after about 2am, and offer to bar fine her rather than planning it in advance. If I make her any promises one more time, she is going to go ballistic once again.

But, honestly, the availability of cookies and skittles sway her significantly. When I took her into the privados last trip to say hello, she told me that we would resume our friendship, but that we would take it slow, no salidas, just my giving her cookies, candy, etc...my having the privelege of talking to her :-))) Uhmmmm, sounds like I am losing control again...I thought so too. I mean, what is in this for me, slaving over a hot oven, buying the bags of skittles and repackaging them in girl sized portions for distribution, all in exchange for a little chit chat with Angry Girl and nothing more? Uhhhhhhh????

I guess she considered the down side of holding out on me, that being NO cookies coming steadily month to month, my believing there is really no reason to return to MTY too frequently. It's funny how after only sixty days of waiting for me to return, sensing her own chocolate chip depravation no doubt, she is now agreeing to go on salida with me, and to stay with me from about 1-2am until closing, all for 1000 pesos. I wonder if she missed me this last year spent with "you know who." And, of course, Angry Girl received her second ration of cookies this week, something she dearly loves.

Member #3453

11-24-07, 16:05

I've been really hitting the jackpot lately, finding girls that are coming very close to the quality of delivery by my "G" girl, certainly in the quality of sexual release in sessions with them, but girls that do not really approach the sincerity level of the hi-bred GFE delivered by my "G" girl.

I am beginning to believe that by my voluntarily limiting my activities to only my "G' girl for the last year, I have probably overlooked a potential in the market that I had all but given up on in favor of seeing her, she being a sure thing, and something that I realize now was the lazy man's way out.

She is everything I said she was, and I represented her accurately in every respect, right up to this present moment. If she is approached by any that might believe she to be a push over now, they will find her even more of a fortress than before, but for altogether different reasons, suspicious reasons, she now having a very disturbed attitude of awareness. She has not engaged in salidas before on account of me, and now she does not engage in salidas for a new set of reasons.

It was never my intention to divulge to her that a forum of any type such as this even existed, and for an entire year, she had no clue as the existence of such a fourm. But, going in, I assumed she was aware of the forum based on the recent postings. So, my hand was forced, and in order to conduct a thorough investigation, I needed to determine her level of culpability on the one hand, and the extent of her total innocence on the other, the final determination being, total innocence. I never had to resort to showing her the forum, but merely described it to her, she having no direct knowledge of it's particulars as a result of my inquiries, but they being sufficient to put my mind totally at ease, that along with the third party varifications.

The important thing to consider in the evolution of our relationship is that apart from the fabricated recent postings about her, and the potential effect of the last few weeks with respect to she being outed, the possibility that such a development can have a degrading effect on the quality of what I had established with her during times when she was virtually anonymous, our relationship was not on the best of terms for over three months already.

As a result, I feel the need to cultivate new beginnings as a result of the last few weeks of postings, and the decline of a relationship that was formerly as I described it to be. The outing of my "G" girl in a public forum holds a potential to adversely influence her in many different respects, some of which influence the privacy of our relationship were I to attempt to repair it. So, I've felt the need to spread my wings, and to sample the other potential in MTY. I am delighted to find out that my brand of session, at least in part, is most certainly still aviailable in MTY, maybe not to "G" girl standards, but damned close.

As I said before, the work that's involved in new beginnings is so expensive, time consuming, and frankly, quite exhausting, that to endeavor to begin the process makes me tired just to contemplate it. Just look at the difference, and perhaps you will comprehend why my loyalties to my "G" girl were so strong over the course of the last year. Over the last year, whenever I would visit Monterrey, she was always there for me, with me for long periods of time, but during reasonable hours, not this late night, all night stuff that I am engaged in now as part of the renewal process, not unless she spent the whole night.

And, in addition, she would generally leave by no later than 11pm or so, unless spending the night, and it would still leave time for me to prowl the clubs for fun, at least until about 2-3 am, a more reasonable hour to return to the hotel to get some sleep, rather than engaging in the necessary research all evening, and staying up all night with them in the bars, waiting for an hour that they feel is financially advantageous for them to leave the bar, usually leaving the bar no earlier than 1am generally, and then staying up with them until 6am on salida, just like I am doing now.

These girls can be made available during reasonable hours, where you don't have to stay up all night to see them. They will meet you outside the clubs once you have a relationship established with them, and in that way, you avoid the salida fees to the bars, and you get a lot more time with them than what is normally given by the bars, usually only two hours at best, unless you can negotiate something better with the bars, and even then you still have to pay the salida fees or propinas to get some consideration.

I am beginning to believe that it's better to see them for about 3-4 hours maximum if possible. I have even started to change my mind with respect to my former preference for todo la noche, for time beyond the normal 4-5 hours that I seem to be able to routinely experience with a little work on the club level. I am deciding that too long a time spent with them, even with "G," simply leaves no time for anything else.

I'm fortunate in the sense that I've been satiated by having experienced the "long time" experience with my "G" girl now for over a year, but in having done so, I kind of feel like I have the need to experience "long time" out of my system...maybe...well, perhaps not necessarily wanting to experience it with the same degree of frequency, but only on occassion.

It was kind of a double edged sword more recently, on the one hand my being the object of her attentions for long periods of time, but simulataneously not really having the time for anything else. There were times that I had started to feel a little too constrained, happily constrained, blissfully ignorant, but constrained none the less.

It was, and is, the lazy man's way out. In the future, just as has been the case on this trip, I am seeing my "G" girl for shorter periods of time, 4-5 hours, perhaps one or two days at most, but also leaving time to cultivate new beginnings, if for no other reason than my anticipation of changes upon her, ones that I've described lately, changes that I said I had started to notice in her around the time of her boob job, prior to the recent outing of her name on the board.

That means my reports will have a diversity of subject matter in the future, at least to the extent that my reports will be about different girls, something that you haven't seen from me in the recent past....thank GOD, verdad?

Member #3453

11-24-07, 17:06

Friday night is usually very busy in the clubs of MTY. Last night was busy, but I think the activity levels were slightly down due to the cold weather. If the level of activities had been more in tune with the average for a Friday night, I believe it would have been a little more difficult to find my most recent "new" girl.

I had not been to this club in a long time. The club is called Extasis. I used to frequent it quite regularly, and I had a particular girl in this club that I liked, but she was always a vestal virgin, so I never got anywhere with her. But she was a huge amount of fun to be around, so I spent wildy on her in those days, foolishly believing I could charm her into going with me eventually. I never accomplished the goal. She simply never met me outside. But, I do believe we have a mutual fondness that is genuine, and had she been just a little "bad," maybe I could have ultimately seen her.

I know all will think the girls working in the these bars are all hos, but many of them draw the line at varying degrees. Some of them will deliver only at the club, in their facility, and they will not meet you outside, period. Even, there are some that only grind on your lap, and they do nothing with you, period. One that I ran into last night at Harem is like that. She drinks with the customers, and she will go into the privados, grind on your lap, but she does nothing sexual, period. Now, these girls will not last in that kind of environment, this one last night at Harem only working there for a few weeks, but they do exist, and to a sometimes disturbing frequency. It's kind of the same as with the Cherry Girls in the Philipines. They are cherry...never to have had sex before, they working in the bars but doing almost nothing. They will go with you on salida, but they do nothing sexual other than perhaps a BJ, nothing more. In MTY, the girls that do nothing, will not meet you outside the bar, of course. At least in the Philipines you have the option of paying to bust their cherries. But, in Monterrey the vestal virgins do nothing, period.

Anyway, it has been years since I visited this club, so I decided to return on Friday night. This particular girl is sort of a light skinned girl, but she had jet black hair. I will refer to her as my "A" girl. She has a totally HOT body, flaca, with medium sized natural boobs, and a very cute face.

The bar fine amount at Extasis is relatively high, just like TVO. They used to be sister clubs, owned by the same owners, but Extasis has been sold to a new owner, and is under new management now.

Anyway, I sat with her for a while, buying her about three drinks, and she was just so charming, almost "G" girl charming. So, I decided to bar fine her. I took her back to the hotel around 1:30am, and she stayed for about 3 hours, all for a cost of 1700 pesos, inclusive of the bar fine to the club. They permitted me to stay out with her longer than usual, but it didn't cost me anything extra this time. I was surprised that they did not try to flease the Gringo a little bit, but they just agreed to my preference to see her for 3 hours instead of the 2 hours limit.

We arrived back at the room and she got undressed. She was so HOT!!! I remember thinking that she had a "G" girl body, without the fake boobs, but bigger boobs none the less, maybe a B-C cup, and such a gorgeous natural shape. She was a lighter complexion, a very pretty face, what a smile, and so fun loving...she was totally scrumptous!!!

Anyway, she first gave me a covered BJ. I remember she sucked a little different than some. The standard method is to engulf the whole length of the shaft, but with this girl, she sucked the end very sensuously, before ever going full depth. She made absolute love to my pole. There is a difference. I mean, some girls just go through the motions, and that's fine, but it's not the same as when they worship your manhood, sucking and licking it like they really love it. Needless to say, I was hard as a rock.

She was getting hotter too because I was fondling her slit as she made love to my pole. She was getting pretty wet. I remember she kept gasping occassionally as I would find her "G" spot. Yes, she was exhibiting all the "right" kinds of responses.

I decided to introduce her to the pocket rocket. So, I flipped her on her back, and produced the pocket rocket out of thin air...I love the reaction on their faces when they see that pocket rocket for the first time. I am always amazed at how many of them are sincerely unfamiliar with a vibrator, and have never used one.

Anyway, sometimes it takes a little persuasion to convince them to try one out, but in her case, she seemed open to the idea, as long as I kept it on the outside of her, and did not immediately plunge it inside. That would ultimately come later, when she would hunch into the pocket rocket, obviously deciding that to have it inside her would yield some tremendous sensations. Eventually, she was raising her butt to meet the positioning of my pocket rocket, and I would alternately push it all the way in for a short moment, and then bring it back out to massage her clit with it. There was, at this point, a literal puddle on the bed sheet.

Anyway, she eventually asked if I wanted to screw her NOW!!! FINALLY!!! And I said, ok. She started to get into position, no condom, no nothing. I have to admit, it was so tempting, and she was so ready. She simply did not care about a condom or not. I decided that it is not a good idea to succumb to such temptations, my making this decision several years ago to be more responsible, and take less risks. So, even as she was rubbing the top of her clit with my dick, I decided that a condom was in order.

Once ready, we went at it. Now, first, the most interesting part of the way she made love is that she liked to push forward onto your dick from the missionary position. She was the opposite of the starfish. She was so HOT that she just had to have that dick in her, and she would raise her butt to push onto it, attempting to thrust it deep as she could get it, bottoming out as far as she could possibly push it in. I think I could feel the base of her backbond on the tip of my dick. This is NOT common. I have had hundreds in that position, and most do NOT have that degree of depravity, usually settling to do the lesser amount of work necessary to feel the sensation. To have her pushing onto me was a real turn-on.

Once we tired in that position, she suggested that we get into cowgirl position. She rocked back all the way, pusing deep again, just as deep as she could push it in, my believing that she would push my dick through her vagina, it was that deep in her. I couldn't hold back after about ten minutes, and I just popped without any ability to restrain myself. I have never had a girl push onto me like she does, and to drain me of ever drop with her pussy squeezing like that on each stroke. And, she is probably one of the tightest I have ever encountered, one along the lines of my "Cindy #1." There is simply no overcoming the sensation in an effort to prolong the inevitable when they have a really tight pussy and they like to push so deep in cowgirl.

Anyway, as she started to sense my cuming, I think it got her worked up, psychologically, she starting to breath really hard, rapidly, and when she raised her head, she actually drooled on my chest as I could feel her body tremble. Man....I have never had a sexual session like that with ANY girl in Monterrey, not in the whole world, not even with my "G" girl.

We calmed down and we talked for a long time. She was very affectionate, giving me a lot of kisses, and stroking my hair, running her fingers over my chest and along my thighs. She asked me what kind of sex I like, and I told her the kind she just delivered, laughing wildly. She told me that next time we would try something new...What could that be???

Member #3453

11-25-07, 17:36

I spent the night terrorizing WastedG's girls...mooooohaaaaaahahhhaaaaa!!!! Actually, I merely took each of them into the privados, spent a little money on each, giving them a little kick start on their eligibility for salary, contributing ever so slightly to their privado talley. I simply talked to each of them, enjoying their respective personalities. I was playing Robin Hood, benevolently giving to the less fortunate, the poor bar girl trying to earn an....uhhhhhhm, honest living.

One girl in particular surprised the hell out of me though. I had always in the past, kind of had a personal policy of hands off on girls frequented by my amigos. I know...that is stupid, but suffice it say, I am simply just that way. I like to make my own way, and to have relative anonymity with respect to "my" girls. I am not naive about these girls, but I prefer to be blissfully ignorant to their respective activities with known associates. It is simply my own quirk. And, make no mistake, I play the game MY WAY, period.

WastedG has always publicly given me free reign, and I appreciate that, but I have always just acknowledged his girls in a wave, an hola, maybe a cookie here or there, but even that has been slow in coming. I have on many occassions sat with WastedGs girls, him present, and simply acted cordule to them, not really endeavoring to turn on the charm...strictly business/casual, and no demonstrations of any charmed effort on my part.

Anyway, I decided that I was kind of lonely, and just simply wanted the interaction with the girls, some of which I had not really talked to very often, if ever. So, I opted to take a few of the more familiar ones, the ones that knew me as a friend of WastedGs, and their cookie pusher, into the privados, just for a chat.

Seriously, I had no interest in doing anything with them, nor did I, other than to talk to them, joke around with them, feed them cookies and skittles, etc...Honestly, sex is the last thing on my mind. I have been getting so much good sex, that it is a squelched desire. I figured up the talle the other night, and I have no less than (9) eligible, pre-qualified girls for salida in various clubs throughout the city. Frankly, I do not ever do anything with girls in the privados. I do not like the privados other than as a vehicle to conduct interviews, nothing more.

Anyway, one of these girls, as we are seated in the privados, tells me that we have been on salida before. I was totally SHOCKED!!!!! "WHAT, when, I don't remember!!!!!!" I mean, uhhhh, are you sure???" When, Where????

She said, "yes, of course I'm sure." She saying it was probably about 1.5-2 years ago, and that we had gone to PDA. But, I think it was much earlier than that. But, regardless, it did start to come back to me when she told me. I think I remember her face, and possibly that she was with me once. But, the experience with her completely escapes me. I do not recall her as anything special. I mean, I did NOT remember her. Now, this is a HOT girl, one of the very best looking girls. And, for me to forget having gone with her....Man, I could not believe it!!!

But, WastedG has always said she has a kind of "cold" demeanor. But, after having sat with her this time, and based on her interaction with me now, I believe that the reaction from her might be more to my liking. But, of course, I will never exercise that option, at least not in the short term, because I will not jeapardize my "G" girl, period. But, were that scenario to change, I might excercise the option given to me so graciously by WastedG. But, one problem, she can not go on salida because she now has a boyfriend. So, she is temporarily off the market. So, you see, these girls are not all such consumate ho's that they have no honor whatsoever. Anyone that lumps them specifically into some kind of preconceived category, and does not assess them individually is missing the mark completely, and it's probably one reason that they probably strike out frequently with girls that should be relatively "easy," agreeing to have sex for money. But, they are still "women," and they think a certain way, not like a male.

No big deal at not bar fining this girl, I am not in the market, not with the likes of my "G" girl to satisfy me. But, of course, my "G" girl will remain a fortress, at least in the near term, where all others are concerned, not in doing her job in the privados, but perhaps even in that respect were she to believe you to be disengenous toward me in any way, and certainly with respect to salidas.

There was a girl that worked at Givenchy that has transferred over to El Infinito. She does not go on salida. But, I was always interested in her in Givenchy because she resembled my "G" girl, and I always considered her a viable option until I determined that she does not go out. She does deliver in the privados, or in the case of Givenchy, she would deliver in the private rooms, but she WILL NOT go out. This girl is a morena, not as flaca as my "G" girl, but sort of similiar in personality and look.

Anyway, she is working in Givenchy, and I had told her I was looking for my "G" girl, waiting for her to come in. Anyway, the first thing that Givenchy girl does is to seek out and tell my "G" girl that I had asked her on salida in the past when I was in Givenchy. That was one of the first things that my "G" girl said to me last night when we first found each other after she came to work.

I told her that I ask all the girls if they go on salida. Even in the case of Angry Girl, I asked the question, even set it up with her twice this week, but never followed through. As Carlos says, the first thing that she will do is run to "G" and tell her we went on salida, they being mortal enemies. So, I decided that if Angry Girl tells her that I asked to go on salida, the fact that I did not go will play well. I told my "G" girl that Givenchy girl does not go out, and that she has been my amiga for a long time, but that we do nothing in the privados, or on salida, only talk, which is totally and completely true. Again, I do nothing in the clubs.

While I was waiting for my "G" girl to get off work, I decided to bring a full box of cookies to the club for distribution. I have to tell you guys...it was pretty amusing. I had returned tonight to her club, after having patronzed all of WastedG's girls in the privados, and upon my return I brought a full container of cookies with me. I was standing at the stage and one of my girlfriends that started at El Infinito recently, one that came over from Givenchy, one that knows my cookies, saw me standing in front of the stage at one of the pillars with my box of cookies. She motioned for one, and walked to the steps, where I opened up the box and she plucked one from the pile. Then, a girl behind her saw the exchange, and she moved up in succession, plucking one from the box, then the next girl, then the next girl, then the next girl, then the next girl, next, next, next, etc...

I felt like I was feeding dolfins in a sea world acquarium :-))) There were no less than probably 15 cookies in the box, and I fed the entire 1st stage presentation. It was a site to see. Every girl on the 1st stage during presentation, eating a USB cookie, and savoring it like they were all starving to death. :-))) Just plain fun...

I ended the night back at my hotel with my "G" girl. She left around 1:30am. She is and was everything she always is to me, and then some. I told her when we left, noticing that she was dead tired, that she does not have to do anything with me, that she can rest in the room. She started to rest, and I was totally leaving her completely alone, not touching her at all, telling her, "remember, no sex, just rest, ok." I was lying quietly on my back, and she started to caress me chest and kiss me, totally unsolicited by me, I was virtually ignoring her so she could rest. Their's is a very tiring job, and she was obviously tired, her head hurt, she asking me for aspirinas. Well, she noticed I had the bottle of tequilla there, so I fixed her a drink first in lieu of aspirinas. She drinks, but pretty responsibly, not too much, just enough to relax. She relaxed and we just talked a little at first, she raising up to kiss me often.

I initiated nothing, yet she wanted sex, that after having a night of it already probably delivered to the MFer's in the club in spades. She did not have to do anything, yet she chose to do it, not because she felt any obligation, because she had none, I even kept telling her, "NO, no sex, we agreed, stop it!!!" I did not need sex, I did not want sex...I merely love her company, over and above the sex. I can get great sex anywhere...why doesn't that make any sense? Sex is so available here in Monterrey, good sex, HOT sex...what is in short supply has nothing to do with sex. It is what seperates the way she has been portrayed by the way she really is inside.

She just kept coming!!! I have to tell you, this is so far and above any kind of mongering experience, it simply does not compare. I should not be reporting anything on her here. This is not a mongering affair to be reported. But, I am so often surprised by the depth of her affection that I can not help but report it. And, furthermore, even though I am regularly ridiculed, accused of making reports that gratify my own ego, my purpose is to report what happens to me, and to report my perceptions, whether they be accurate or not is another story. I think that by reporting it, it goes to prove the diversity of experience that can be enjoyed. There is a diversity of experience here that seperates all the venues, the door girls, the MP experience, the low end bar girls, the medium level bar girls, the ho-house girls, the high end bar girls. You can experience it all in Monterrey, but it really depends on the amount of work you are willing to put into it, and your own desire for whatever floats you boat. I don't relay my experiences for some kind of "old-man" self congratulatory, ego boosting purpose, but to examine the range of my experience so some can understand the potential range of experiences in relation to the amount of work, time, money, and effort one is willing to invest.

Frankly, I wish there were some high end bar girl reporters on here to balance the reporting. The MP reporting is sparse, but at least occassional, but what we truly lack is a range of high rollers willing to report their regular experiences with the high end club girls, and the ho-house girls.

Many of us frequent our own little world, usually constrained to one of the categories mentioned, not really constrained by anything other than our own preferences, but certainly, willingly compartmentlized in our own preferred experiences.

It would be nice to hear the full range of experiences. Actually, the recent reporting on Misses and Ramonos is interesting to me, perhaps a little pricey in comparison to some of my more economical exploits, but at least the girls seem to be of a quality that I would accept and enjoy.

Anyway, regarding my reporting on my "G" girl, that is where I am damned if I do, and damned if I don't, with respect to my reporting on her, or any others of them to begin with, my not recognizing then that this was going to turn into what it is now between us, or realizing that future encounters might actually prove to be just as fulfilling as what I've found in my "G" girl.

knowing what I know now, I would never have mentioned any description of her, not of one hair on her head, had I realized it was going to evolve like this. So, in the future, I will be reporting with a greater degree of caution in telling too much information, just on the off chance that things will progress nicely with others of them.

Well, I just tried to call my Poisson girl on her cell phone to arrange our date for today, calling her just as she asked me to do yesterday, but, no surprise, she did not answer...My initial reaction, I am not surprised or hurt, just slightly disappointed, but having been through this routine in the "renewal process" that I mentioned I am engaged in now, it's no shock. The renewal process is very expensive, and it can be relatively disappointing and frustrating.

Ahhhh, but here comes a text message on my cell phone. It seems she is wanting to get together this afternoon, and to also have lunch. Things are progressing well with her. She was so affectionate in Poission the other day. It is prohibited for them to kiss in the high end clubs. She was all over me there. It is against the rules. Of course, I spent 1600 pesos on drinks. That's a pretty expensive set of besos, verdad. But, nothing ventured, nothing gained, and I really think this girl could actually be a hi-bred GFE, if I can only get her into my lair. :-))))

Member #3453

11-27-07, 03:21

I know I promised to report on other girls, but the night was literally spent with my "G" girl. I can only report what happens to me, and on the girls that I am with. As I said before, I shouldn't even be reporting on her at all because this IS NOT a mongering adventure. There is no adventure in this whatsoever because it's an absolute sure thing, totally and completely familiar, like two peas in a pod. But, some are so infatuated with my love life, that I just feel the need to assure them that my gonads are in perfect condition thanks to my "G" girl's affections.

Actually, I called her cell to find out what time she wanted to leave work. Our initial plan was for me to bar fine her at 9pm, pay the single bar fine, and that she would stay with me todo la noche. But, when I called her at 5pm, I asked if she was still planning to go out with me. The time was supposed to be around 9pm, but instead she asked me if I am coming to get her by 5pm. I am calling her around 4:45pm just to figure out my schedule for the evening's events, and she has literally only been at work for probably less than an hour at most. She is asking me to pick her up within 15 minutes of my calling her....

She wants out of there!!! And, I came to find out from her later, that she has an agenda for us all planned. We are going to the movies, and then to get some ice cream, then we are going back to the hotel to spend the night.

Anyway, that's exactly what happened. I showed up at 5pm, paid the double bar fine, and off we went. The manager, Enrique, gave us the go ahead, that I would pay the double bar fine, but that I could leave with her early and they would not charge me anything. They know the nature of the relationship, and my "G" girl had already cleared it with them before I ever arrived. This particular manager is a good guy, and because he was being so accomodating, I slipped him an extra 100 pesos.

I mean, why not, to get todo la noche with my "G" girl, spending from 5pm through all night, it costing me only the cost of the two bar fines...Of course, at the end of the night, I did give me "G" girl money...I always do. I routinely give her between 500-1000 pesos, depending on her time spent.

But, this night, I figured she was being so good, she deserved more so I gave her 1500 pesos. What the hell, 1500 pesos is chicken feed by US P4P standards. You would spend twice that for one hour in the US, but to spend it with a long legged flaca morena like my "G" girl, you couldn't help but feel you were getting a bargain in the process, even at twice the price.

She is not usually able to find time to spend all night with me, mostly because her mother is sometimes living in the same household, and she can not stay out all night. Her mother would not approve of such behavior. But, her mother is leaving town for the holidays. "G" asked me to come back to be with her during the Christmas holidays because her family will have gone back home, and she will be left alone, available for todo la noche, much more available. She asked me to plan a few trips between December 18th-January 15th. Her mother is due back home on January 15th, and after that, the todo la noche opportunities will once again begin to dry up. Unfortunately, I have other family commitments during that period myself, and I will not even be able to take care of the favoreable logistics.

Oh, by the way, she tells me the TJ plans are cancelled, she claiming that she realizes that to uproot her son, her tia, it would create problems for them. Plus she is taking care of her sister now, putting her through hair dressing school, which makes it very difficult for her to actually move from the area. I was glad to hear it. My having to comute to TJ would have created serious time management issues, not to mention additional expense.

Well, there is not going to be a blow by blow synopsis of her skill level back in the hotel room...no porno in this post. I have nothing to prove by relaying that here, other than to articulate my appreciation of her talents, and to say that she is unsurpassed in all of Monterrey. But, not for the reasons many believe to be the case. She has no more prowess than the girl I bar fined a few days ago from TVO. The difference is the sincerity of affection in the moment. You simply CAN NOT duplicate the intensity of sex delivered with love, period. There is simply no comparison, which is the basis for GFE, and if actual love is present, it is the basis for hi-bred GFE. This thing with my "G" girl, and she is MY "G" girl, is so far beyond hi-bred GFE it isn't even measureable.

My appointment with my Poisson girl got re-scheduled. I plan to see her sometime tomorrow. I am going to have to jockey the time between Poisson girl and my "G" girl, and especially so my "G" girl does not find out what I'm up to. Plus, I have a total of (9) girls lined up, and only about a week to sample them all, while simultaneously hiding the fact from my "G" girl. The timing will be difficult.

However, frankly, unless these other girls I have lined up for the rest of the week can somehow duplicate the intensity of emotion I experience from my "G" girl, I prefer to spend time with "G." Frankly, if they aren't ALL at least as consistently good as TVO girl, I will probably blow a few of them off in favor of seeing my "G" girl, seeing her on her days off, bar fining her from work, etc...

Member #3453

11-28-07, 13:38

My "G" girl took off work last night, so we got together once again...She stayed with me all evening, from about 6pm to 10pm, she needing to return home to her son to relieve the babysitter. I won't dwell on my time with her anymore here in the forum, other than to mention her time with me, because you all know the routine, unless of course some drama happens to develop that warrants honorable mention. Suffice it to say she is perfect.

Anyway, after she left, it being only 10pm, I still had plenty of time to prowel the clubs. I had not been to Matehuela in a long time, so I stopped in there to see what I could find.

Matehuela has changed a little bit since I last visited there. They did away with that small round stage off to the right as you walk in, and they added a second full length stage next to the first full length stage that has always been there.

As for girls, I have never really liked the selection at Matehuela. There were a few decent girls, but not many. I have always thought, at least for the last several years, that Matehuela was just not nearly what it formerly was when I first started coming to Monterrey. Most of the girls, at least to my taste, are a little too thick, and not really very pretty. Plus, the way it's set up is slightly more expensive on salida.

I mean, the cost of salidas is always quoted higher from the girls, usually 1500 pesos, and not the typical 1000 pesos quoted by all the girls in the majority of the other clubs in town. I can usually get them to drop their prices to the 1000 pesos level, but they routinely, always quote 1500 pesos in Matehuela, never a departure from that.

Also, I do not like walking down into the dungeon of the privados at Matehuela versus the upstairs privado area at Infinito. The stairway to the dungeon at Matehuela is an absolute nightmare...watch your step, you will very likely bust not only her nut, but your ass going down the steps to achieve same.

More to report on Tuesday night, my finding a girl in Givenchy willing to go on salida for 500 pesos...stay tuned.

Member #3453

11-30-07, 13:37

I have enjoyed seeing my "G" girl almost this entire week, we seeing each other in very domesticated circumstances, shopping at the HEB, going to the mall, taking care of household responsibilities, and yes, spending intimate time at my hotel, time permitting. Literally, she satisfies me sufficiently that to be bar fining other girls is not necessary, or desired. She did not work the first part of this week, and we spent more time together, but she has to eat, and must return to work soon.

I haven't any new bar fines to report on as a result of my staying "close to home" here in Monterrey, devoting my time to relaxing with my "G" girl. This has been one of my best trips, determining the illegitmacy of the accusations against my "G" girl, finding her to be totally and completely committed to me, treating me not as her client, but as her amigovio, not the girl depicted by some for the purposes of proving a point to me, a point that is probably valid with respect to the stereotype assigned to these girls, but not valid in reality with respect to my "G" girl.

The mongering in Monterrey is very different than the mongering in other parts of the world. Usually, in AC, or Pattaya/Bangkok Thailand, or Indonesia, the girls do not have the distractions of life to consume their time. In those Asian venues, the girls in those places are 100% dedicated to their professions. Most do not have children, and most can, and do spend huge amounts of time with their benefactors that enjoy that kind of scenario as I do.

My "G" makes every effort to duplicate the Asia experience for me, on account of me, with little or no regard for time or money, always being there for me, even at times when she should be tending to personal things at home. Most of the girls here in Monterrey have little available time outside their jobs for my kind of preferred experience. Many are in school, such as Poisson girl, or many have already had children and are tied down that way. Many girls are responsible for other family members, and many of them are actually the responsible ones in their families.

It is hard to believe that the girls doing these kinds of jobs in the clubs are the responsible ones in their families, but it's true. Many of them support entire families of otherwise useless, or incapable family members. The best of them do it out of a sense of their own deep love and obligation for younger brothers, sisters, parents, etc...sacrificing themselves, having no expectation for their own satisfaction in life. My "G" girl is one of these.

In the case of my "G" girl, the sacrifices she makes for her familiy members has me truly amazed at the depth of her purity in spirit, regardless of decadence suggested by what she does in her profession. Her motives are totally and completely verdad. I have been with her so much in real life, mundane, daily living circumstances, circumstances that permit me a glimpse into her real life, that I believe I undertand her true nature, and she having a nature as depicted by some as greedy, mercenary, and decadent is not her true nature, nor is it common in her behavior or personality. We all have to do what we have to do, and she is no different. But, to represent her in the way in which she has sometimes been represented here on ISG is totally and completely false.

I am regularly cautioned not to get that close to them, but with my "G" girl, the length of time, and the time spent with her living a daily existence, has me seeing into aspects of her life that others would not comprehend were they to see her apart from the mundane routine time spent living a daily existence. The depth of that experience with her has me forming conclusions about her makeup that reveal her true nature, and not speculations about her true nature, such as what as been depicted here by some in the past.

El Cabron 007

12-03-07, 04:56

Bob, listen to this song. Ignore the video and just listen to the lyrics. This song is one of my all time favorites. But lately, whenever I listen to it, I think of you and your G girl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpX97eg-W-k

Wasted

Member #3453

12-03-07, 05:25

I play this song on mis guiataras electronicos...Really...

"Man it’s a hot one
Like seven inches from the midday sun
I hear you whisper & the words melt everyone
But you stay so cool
My mu-equita, my Spanish harlem mona lisa
Your my reason for reason
The step in my groove

BRIDGE:
And if you say this life ain’t good enough
I would give my world to lift you up
I could change my life to better suit your mood
Cause you’re so smooth

CHORUS:
And just like the ocean under the moon
Well that’s the same emotion that I get from you
You got the kind of lovin that can be so smooth
Gimme your heart, make it real
Or else forget about it

I’ll tell you one thing
If you would leave it would be a crying shame
In every breath and every word I hear your name calling me out
Out from the barrio, you hear my rhythm from your radio
You feel the turning of the world so soft and slow
Turning you round and round.

And, WastedG, "that life aint good enough for her"...bopp bopp, bopp, bopp bopp bopp...dah, dah, dah.....she's sooooo smooth, verdad?

Like the song says, I do wish a different life for her. But, then again, one has to examine the underlying personality traits that permit a girl to do what she does, and the accompanying damage to her psyche that must have occurred somewhere along the line. She is not, of course, a girl that would be eligible for anything legit, but love has no boundries, and it crosses all cultural lines. Frankly, I do believe she has changed, possibly for the better, I mean possibly a more virtuous girl now, at least psychologically, altruistically compared to two years ago when I first met her. She thinks more deeply now than she did before, considering the consequences of her behavior.

Who was it, Paul McCartney who sang, "the love you take is equal to the love you make." More profound words were never spoken.

Because of my fondness for her, one can only hope that over time, with the changes inevitable with age, she will recover her dignity, and that she will never lose the inherent sweetness that overshadows her present negatives, mostly negatives resulting from her decision to meet the challenges of her responsibilities in the best ways she knows how, using her God given assets.

Afterall, seriously, I doubt she possesses much more than about sixth grade education. She is literate, but not literary in her abilities. I am not sure I would have a greater strength of character than she knowing what I know about her responsibilities in life, and the things that weigh heavily on her mind. So, I forgive her, and I turn a blind eye, comforting her, soothing her...choosing to see her best qualities, and ignoring the behavior that does not fit her true nature. In the end, "The love you take is equal to the love you make..."

Here is the part that really defines my expectation for my time in MTY, and it entirely depends on my "G" girl:

"...make it real, or you can forget about it." She makes it real...because it is real. If and when it stops being real, which I hope never happens, I will "forget about it." Because, literally, the realism with her is what sustains my coming to MTY. All else pales in comparison. I hope she feels the same way about me.

Bob, listen to this song. Ignore the video and just listen to the lyrics. This song is one of my all time favorites. But lately, whenever I listen to it, I think of you and your G girl.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpX97eg-W-k

Wasted

El Cabron 007

12-04-07, 06:50

And, WastedG, "that life aint good enough for her"...bopp bopp, bopp, bopp bopp bopp...dah, dah, dah.....she's sooooo smooth, verdad?

Will I ever find out how smooth she is? :-)

Member #3453

12-04-07, 14:16

Will I ever find out how smooth my lunch girl at the Poisson is? :-)

Ahhhh, the agongy, verdad?

I am going through the same anguish as you where my Poisson girl is concerned, so join the club.

But, take comfort in this, the wait will make it all the better. Absence makes the heart and the "head" grow fonder...

Of course, if she waits until she is fifty, well, it could be a slight let down. :-)

See, WastedG, look, you have your harem of girls, all top notch girls...

All I have, on the other hand, is one measily Mexicana Morena, and one that isn't even considered pretty by Mexican standard, Carlos' words, not mine.

To me, her face is the most comforting thing I could hope to find in MTY. She is my reason for returning to MTY. Think of the profoundity of that statement.

From a Gringo perspective, in the past, I always thought that she was not really pretty. But, now, when I look to find a face in the crowd that is similiar to her's, just to comfort my soul, looking just to see a girl that resembles her, I find none, no equal. Her face comforts me, and she is unique to me among her ethnic commonality.

None the less, pretty or not, attitude and passion are everything. That is the one thing I have learned. I would not trade all the divas in MTY for a superior attitude and passion. And, more importantly, I am the recipient of that because of her attitude toward me specifically.

Who knows why she has me so captivated. Literally, the girl I bar fined last time from TVO, sexually, was just as good as she, and even to the extent of being such a passionate kisser in the moment. I mean, if I were to compare the two girls, I would say that they were comparable. But, there is just something between my girl and me that defies explanation. I believe I know the thing the distinguishes our relationship, the thing that makes ours more than just a client relationship, but I will not divulge it here.

Maybe it's just chemistry, and now, after so much time, something a little deeper...one can only hope.

So, my friend, leave us to our own devices, and perhaps, in twenty years or so, she will tire of me, or she will slip-up with me by going on salida, and you will have your shot. Just wait patiently, trying all the other girls out so that when and if your time arrives, you will know how to assess the benefits of her affections. But, then again, I suspect you would not find her performance any better than the girls you currently have. Fact is, in reading your reports, their performance sounds par for the course with respect to my girl's skill level, nothing really special or out of the ordinary among the best of the the selection.

Will I ever find out how smooth she is? :-)

El Cabron 007

12-04-07, 14:24

Esa mujer me esta matando
Me a espinado el corazon
Por mas que trato de olvidarla

Mi alma no da razon
Mi corazon aplastado
Herido y abandonado
Aber aber tu sabes dime mi amor por favor
Que dolor nos quedo

Chorus:
Ah ah ah corazon espinado
Ah ah ah como me duele el amor

Como duele como duele el corazon
Cuando nostiene entregados
Pero no olvides mujer que algun dia diras
Hay ya yay como me duele el amor

Como me duele el olvido
Como duele el corazon
Como me duele estar vivo
Sin tenerte aun lado amor

Thank you Santana.

"corazon espinado" translates to "pricked heart"?

Wasted

Will I ever find out how smooth my lunch girl at the Poisson is? :-) Ahhhh, the agongy, verdad?

Member #3453

12-04-07, 14:58

Santana...excellent guitarist!

With respect to pricked heart, your's or mine? ie: Poisson girl, or my angel.

Esa mujer me esta matando
Me a espinado el corazon
Por mas que trato de olvidarla

Mi alma no da razon
Mi corazon aplastado
Herido y abandonado
Aber aber tu sabes dime mi amor por favor
Que dolor nos quedo

Chorus:
Ah ah ah corazon espinado
Ah ah ah como me duele el amor

Como duele como duele el corazon
Cuando nostiene entregados
Pero no olvides mujer que algun dia diras
Hay ya yay como me duele el amor

Como me duele el olvido
Como duele el corazon
Como me duele estar vivo
Sin tenerte aun lado amor

Thank you Santana.

"corazon espinado" translates to "pricked heart"?

Wasted

Member #3453

02-26-08, 15:09

Here is a report I posted to a private forum of only "known" and "prescreened" members, one that I posted a number of weeks ago, but one I was reluctant to post to ISG due to the circumstances here. But, enough time has passed now, that posting it here will have no detrimental effect on me and my fun.

I decided that because my flight was leaving early in the morning, 6am, I would need to cut right to the chase. I knew I would have to really work fast
on a new prospect, or find an old girlfriend. I have since made up with Angry Girl, and she would go with me on salida, but by taking her I also realized the danger I would be placed in with respect to my best girlfriend, they having a lot of common co-workers. And , well, the chances of finding Cindy #1 was almost nill, I have lost track of her after she moved on from Pasarelas, and her cell phone no longer works. And, I had already seen my best girl, and she was not available that night, so I decided that I would just try to charm a new one, just to see what might develop.

I realized that I had very little time to get it going...I mean, I would have to get up to leave for the airport at 3:30am, and it was already about 7:30pm the night before. I had taken a little nap to get recharged before going out, and I did feel better, like I could stay up a while at least before having to go to the airport, but suffice it to say, I was concerned that I would have very little time to pull it all off with the same kind of intensity as I normally experience with my best girlfriend. So, I was kind of melancholy. I have grown lazy, always knowing that my time with my best girl is so consistently good, and realizing that I had very little time to work whatever magic is necessary to find the right candidate for hybrid GFE.

I was not optimistic, but Monterrey has always been an amazing place. Just when you think that your world has crumbled with respect to your best planned scenarios, you find that a new, sometimes even better circumstance arises.

This has happened so many times to me in Monterrey, times when I was down, times when I was depressed, times when I thought that I had lost access to a good girl, or times when I believed that my ride was coming to and end with a great girl, or she was unavailable, or having a fight with them, etc...Those times have happened to me so often.

But, each and every time, if you maintain the proper optimism, Monterrey will reproduce for you what you feel you had lost. So, because my best girl was not around, and because I had come to rely so heavily on seeing her, always knowing that my experience with her was going to be hybrid GFE, I was forgetting the resiliency that is Monterrey.

But, eventually, I came to my senses, and remembered my own conviction about the resiliency of Monterrey. So, by the time I was in the clubs, I was in the right mind set to cultivate a new relationship.

So, I went to El Infinito, or Harem, or Pasarelas, or maybe it was Casino, or maybe Bahamas, or maybe none of the above. I went somewhere on Sunday night. Anyway, I arrived at this one particular club and I literally walked in the door, down the isle, past the DJ, looked over toward some girls sitting on the couch, spied this flaca morena standing there, approached her head on, took her by the hand, lead her away from her friends, not saying a word but "hola," lead her straight to the privados, where I paid for a single dance with her.

I had a container of cookies with me, and when I approached the privado guard, I offered him one. She looked inquisitively at me, smiling, and wondering what the crazy gringo was up to. I gave the privado guard several cookies, and then offered her one. She took it, and began to enjoy it, savoring it's characteristically delicious sabor. She was shocked how delicious it was, showing such facial expression, delighted by such a pleasant surprise, a homemade cookie, delightful, beyond her wildest expectations.

We went into the privado and I took my seat, and she sat on my lap sideways, just nursing her cookie, savoring it. We talked and finally one song had elapsed. When the song ended she stood up, and said it was over, and she had no clue to ask if I wanted another song. She believed I was done with her. Afterall, she had done nothing with me in the privados. She had just sat on my lap and talked. There was very little touching.

She told me she had only worked two days in a bar, and the prior Saturday night was her first time. She showed the naivete in every respect, having no knowledge of the procedures, not asking for another privado, not doing anything with me to keep me there, no sense of enticement, no strategic knowledge through experience to know what she must do to be popular in the privados.

I found an absolute newbie. She literally had only worked two nights, never worked a bar before...Oh, I know how I sound...How many times have we been told that one? Well, I am not a newbie, and suffice it to say, based on her behavior with me in the privados, I have no doubt she was a newbie. And, later the reality of her being a newbie would become abundantly clear, and in an absolutely scrumptious, hybrid GFE, manner.

First she had no knowledge of normal procedure, not with respect to the privado routines, routines that all regular girls are well aware of, and not with respect to the procedures that are common with respect to going on salida. No, she was definitely a newbie. Later, I found out she had only worked two days in the bar setting, and that she worked full time in a store (less detail to protect my fun, but sufficient for the story.....hahaha).

So, after the first privado, when she stood up, thanking me, fully expecting me to exit the privados after only one "dance," I told her that I wanted another. She looked surprised and said "oh, ok, un momentito," and she was getting up to walk over to tell the privado guard that I wanted another one.

She did not even know to shout it out, like all the rest of the girls in the bar. She was literally going to walk clear across the room to tell the privados guard that the nice man wanted another privado from her. Any of you that have been in the privados environment know that the girls just blurt it out, shouting it across the room. The most famous of them all for such displays is Roxanna at El Infinito....I will forever be comforted at the reminiscence of hearing Roxanna shout out those immortal words "Otro Roxanne!!!"

Anyway, this newbie did not even know the basic procedures, things that any girl would have picked up within one week of working the privados regularly.

She is 21 years old, a flaca morena, hot little butt, small natural breasts, just like I enjoy...and she is very, very affectionate. She loves to kiss and hug, and she is a total "girlfriend" in every way, very affectionate. Truly one to be turned into a real girlfriend. Just the right kind of candidate for my brand of fun, the hybrid GFE. More to come, if there is interest...

Member #3453

02-26-08, 15:37

I went to FKK Stuttgart (Phoenix Club) over the weekend. It was basically laid out about the same as we have all heard about, and with all with the same routine as what is generally represented on the boards. There were about 35 girls there, and probably about 10 guys. The selection seemed just a slight notch above a medium to upper level massage parlor, with an occasional hotty, but mostly they were slightly older than we are used to in Monterrey.

It was cramped quarters there, not particularly a clean kind of environment, kind of like a medium level Monterrey massage parlor, with beds being an additional comfort that distinguishes them from a massage parlor. I also felt that the GFE was much more available in the FKK setting than in the massage parlor setting.

They had the locker room, the showers, the sauna, the jaccuzi, the lounge areas, etc..., but FKK Stuttgart was relatively cramped quarters in comparison to Club Globe in Zurich, which had much nicer facilities. I will have to report on Zurich sometime if I am shown sufficient interest. Wouldn't you know it, I selected a Brazilian girl in Zurich. A girl that was 100% Swiss, but of Brazilian ancestry, one with relatives in Brazil, one that spoke fluent German, and also Portuguese from her family ties. She had "100% Swiss" tatooed above her butt. I just remember seeing her walk toward me, and as a first impression thinking, "Ah Monterrey." Wide hips, unbelievably beautiful butt, hot body, big fake, but well done, boobs, black hair, pretty smile, dark eyes, and eventually, even the cute Portuguese accent...I prefer natural boobs, but hers were very well done, and her attributes exceeded her detractors by far. What surprised me was how easily, using her Portuguese and my Spanish, we could communicate almost with fluency. I had always thought that the differences between the languages was sufficient as to make communication and understanding difficult. But, she understood me completely when speaking Spanish, and I understood her Portuguese perfectly. When we had a miscommunication, we would use a little English. But, generally she spoke portuguese almost continually, and even, at one point asked me to speak Spanish, that her understanding, through her association in Portuguese, was better than her English for communication.

I love Latinas, verdad? :-))) Here I am, USB traveling all the way to Switzerland and Germany, only to be selecting latinas from the mix. I amaze myself. But, it's a very revealing glimpse into my own psyche as it relates to oone's own personal preferences. I was not as sure as I am now, after having been to Germany and Switzerland, finding myself gravitating strongly toward the latinas, just how attracted to them I am. Maybe it's because the European girls just remind too much of Gringas...Maybe they look too much like what we have in the States, and even though their personalities may be more charming, their exterior representations are a turn off in comparison to my latinas.

Most of the European girls had excellent attitudes and personalities, so I could not, in the final analysis, categorize them in comparison to our US Gringas with any distain. But, I feel that, psychologically, my curbed level of attraction to them is influenced by the "Gringa Effect." Don't misunderstand, I don't feel so biased as to want to kick Gringas out of bed. God knows, there is one Gringa working at the UPS store here, about 19 years old, that is HOT, HOT, HOT...but, generally, they always come across with kind of that Americanized bitchy attitude, even my UPS store angel. But, generally, I find the girls in Monterrey to be so much more attractive to me...the "Latina Effect" is very strong with me, as was evidenced by my selection choices in Germany and Switzerland.

Anway, back to Germany...

FKK Stuttgart had four floors of rooms, with the bottom level being the locker room and lounge area, the second level having rooms and a communal shower. The third and fourth floors were all private rooms. At FKK Stuttgart, there was no orgy room that I saw, just private rooms with mattresses thrown on the floors. Plus, I did not see them changing the linens on the beds between sessions. If one were to look closely, I am sure one would determine the rooms and beds to be filthy. But, I didn't look too closely out of fright. When I went to the room with a girl, she would usually throw a big towel over the center of the bed to give us a cleaner environment to lye down.

The first girl I chose spoke English, and her family was from Wyoming. She is a German girl, lives in Germany, has lived there her entire life, and she speaks fluent German of course. But, her English was also very good, almost an undiscernable German dialect to her English, a result of a very brief time during childhood spent in the US, and an American upbringing by American parents. She was a little loony, but a lot of fun. I had a nice time with her. She cost me 80 Euros for about an hour ($120US).

The second girl was from the Domican Republc, spoke Spanish of course, which enabled me to communicate, which seems to be an important step in the USB courting process :-))) So, I took her up for about a half hour, which cost me another 40 Euros. So, with the cover charge of 40 Euros, the night so far at FKK Stuttgart cost me around a lot of Euros (x 1.5 in dollars), especally compared with time spent. OUCH!!!!!!!!!!! But, research is costly, right? The second girl, from the dominican republic, spoke Spanish, and I was able to communicate easily with her. She was so typical of Spanish speaking girls that it occurred to me that I really do solidly prefer the Latinas, and by selecting latinas in a Germanic environment, it illustrated for me, personally, just how much I appreciate my Monterrey girls.

The second night I visited what I perceived to be the largest FKK in Stuttgart, "FKK-Haus." This was a huge facility in a commercial building, two floors, probably at least occupying a floor space of 20-30,000 square feet, maybe more. I do not judge volumetric space that accurately, but suffice it to say it was a huge frinckin' place.

It also contained the usual, locker room, communal shower where the girls and the guys clean up together. There are several environments there at FKK-Haus. There are many private rooms, along with communal rooms with beds that have a shear tent like covering over them, but tent like places that are exposed to vailed sight be onlookers, plus a large orgy room with a matress area that was at least 12' x 12'. The rooms were all seemingly pretty clean, with a bed on the floor, but with clean sheets, which are seemingly changed after each encounter, etc...I don't know if they keep up with changing things that often, but the rooms seemed quite clean in comparison to FKK-Stuttgart.

They had a staff of little Philipinas that were running around making sure the rooms were clean, the locker room was tended to, etc...They had a maid service room where the cleaning girls congregated, and it looked like a laundry in a hotel, and the girls were constantly hustling around the facility doing their duty to keep it clean. I was impressed with the effort being made toward cleanliness. Of course, one never really knows the extent of the cleanliness there, and especially because I only spent one evening there, but it seeming was comparatively very well kept to me.

So, the first girl I chose at FKK-Haus was from Lithuania. She was a tall girl, probably at least 5'10." She had a nice body, a nice rack, about a six or seven in the face, a nice butt...but, tall. I generally seem to gravitate toward shorter girls, so I could immediately sense that the whole European experience compared to my routine Monterrey, Mexico experiences was going to offer something quite a bit different for me.

There were very definitely girls there that did not like going with anyone outside their own relative age group, and most of the time, they were the hotties. But, there were some that seemed open to a middle aged guy, but most were pretty reserved that were relatively young. But I found that you needed to approach them to determine their range of preferences. Conversely, for me, at least in Monterrey, my age does not seemingly limit me in any way, quite the contrary. I am always quite surprised at my success ratio. I did not have that same feeling in Germany.

I found that most of the girls were not aggressive, not even soliciting clients, but waiting patiently to be selected. You had to make the moves, and discern their interest level. I was not bashful with girls I wanted to assess, but some of them did not react favorably enough to risk the expenditure, something I chaulked to an age bias on their part.

There were, after all, a number of twenty and thirty somethings there for them to choose from. But, conversely, there were also girls that did not have an age bias, girls that once I spoke to them, their interest/acceptance level became more evident, and their demeanor was accepting of me as a middle aged guy.

In the privacy of the room, my theory about woman lacking the same degree of age bias as males was proved once again. The social taboos of age bias are easily removed in the privacy of a room, with no outside socialization taboos to fuck up the dynamic. But, on the floor, there were girls that seemingly did not prefer to see guys other than ones in their own age group.

The second girl I chose was from Romania. She was 23 years old, olive skin, round cute face, black hair, tight and thin body, "C" size chest, etc...She spoke fluent English. She was really delightful, very interested, lots of kissing, very sweet, etc...I enjoyed my time with her very much. She cost me about 65 Euros for a little over a half hour. I think she probably stayed with me for at least one hour. I would always ask the girls how much I owed them, and they routinely surprised me by telling me that I only owed them for an hour, or a half hour, when in reality, I know I spent at least twice that amount of time with them in the room.

None of the girls were time watchers. Of course, the more time you wanted to spend, the more money they could potentially make. But, many of them stayed with me well over time in comparison to what they ultimately charged me. I was impressed by that. I expected them to bleed me wherever possible. That was not the case in either of the FKK's in Stuttgart that I visited.

The payment plan works this way. You pay your entrance fee up front, 40 Euros at FKK-Stuttgart, and 60 Euros at FKK-Haus. Then if you partake in time with a girl for sex, and it's a flat rate by the half hour. You get soft drinks free, and liquor and beer cost something I believe. I don't remember those specifics because I do not drink, except in business circumstances.

I think both places charged 40 Euros for a half hour of sex in the room with a girl, but there could be a slight difference in the half hour price between the two places...I don't remember for sure, but I do think they were the same, 40-60 Euros.

The entrance fee at the FKK-Haus was higher than FKK-Stuttgart. I expected FKK-Haus to have many more girls because I was there on a Friday night, and I had been told by my first girl at FKK-Stuttgart that FKK-Haus would have many more girls, and a much bigger environment than her own club, especially on the weekend. But, I was surprised when I finally did arrive at FKK-Haus and assessed the talent because I actually saw more girls at FKK-Stuttgart on Thursday night than I saw at FKK-Haus on Friday night. However, I was not able to spend the amount of time at FKK-Haus that I spent at FKK-Stuttgart.

Plus, I must say, the girls at FKK-Stuttgart were much more attentive to me as a patron than most of the girls seemed to be at FKK-Haus. I was a little surprised that the girls at FKK-Haus seemed more subdued, less aggressive, in a good way, than the girls at FKK-Haus. The quality of selection seemed ever so slightly better at FKK-Haus, but not by much.

For my money, Monterrey has the FKK scene beat. I have access to significantly better selections of girls than what I saw in Germany, and I believe that my experiences are better in Monterrey than what I found in Germany. Of course, I realize that I prefer the latina look and demeanor, and of course, that may influence a bias on my part.

And, I have to qualify my position by saying that I prefer the hybred GFE, and I do not generally enjoy the MPs. My interpretation of the FKKs is that they are glorified MPs, certainly better than the average MP. But, they reminded me of an MP kind of experience. However, the girls I selected, were really a lot of fun, and every one of them a good candidate for GFE outside that kind of environment. And that brings us to another comparison issue, the girls in the FKKs are much higher mileage than our Monterrey girls. Monterrey girls rarely go on salida, and they are by comparison much fresher, not only in appearance, but even in attitude and demeanor than what you will find in the FKKs. The most hardened in Monterrey might compare to the FKK girls, all of them consumate pros. Plus, the girls of Monterrey seem able to maintain a level of dignity about them, even when they are most certainly *****s. None the less, the are better at projecting an innocent naivete that I had a difficult time finding in the girls of Germany, many of which look like they're routinely "rode hard, and put up wet." For my Spanish speaking friends who may not understand that Gringo phrase, it refers to riding a horse hard and failing to brush them down, and properly grooming them afterwards.

Prokofiev

02-26-08, 17:49

" The first girl I chose spoke English . . . She cost me 300 Euros for about an hour . . . The second girl was from the Domican Republc . . . I took her up for about a half hour, which cost me another 60 Euros. So, with the cover charge of 40 Euros, the night so far at FKK Stuttgart cost me around 100 Euros . . . "

300 + 60 + 40 = 400 euros = $600 US

I think you need to get back on the bus to Monterrey!

-P

Member #3453

02-26-08, 19:43

I think I need to work on my cut and paste techniques...Comon' cut me some slack, Prok. I'm in a rush...trying to get this out, realizing that I don't have the time to check it over, and that I should be investing my time with more productive endeavors. I'll check it over later for accuracy. :-)

I think the 300 Euros was left in by mistake when I cut and pasted my costs in that were associated with Zurich. Zurick...now that's frickin' expensive.

The actual cost is without the 300 Euros factored in below. And, frankly, I recall it being 40-60 Euros per half hour in Germany. I'll check it over and correct it later. Then, Dollars are 1.5X. So, compared to my cost in Monterrey, where I routinely find girls that will spend hours upon hours for 1000 pesos...well, it's criminal. Anyway, don't get too bogged down by the financial details.

Thanks for proof reading anyway...

I do need to get back on the bus to Monterrey, or better yet, a fast jet to Bangkok.

" The first girl I chose spoke English . . . She cost me 300 Euros for about an hour . . . The second girl was from the Domican Republc . . . I took her up for about a half hour, which cost me another 60 Euros. So, with the cover charge of 40 Euros, the night so far at FKK Stuttgart cost me around 100 Euros . . . "

300 + 60 + 40 = 400 euros = $600 US

I think you need to get back on the bus to Monterrey!

-P

El Cabron 007

02-26-08, 23:53

I went to Toronto a couple of months ago.. twice .. and I had a hot girl lined up and everything was set. But I just could not justify spending $200 on a single girl for single hour.

300 + 60 + 40 = 400 euros = $600 US

I think you need to get back on the bus to Monterrey!

-P

Member #3453

02-27-08, 14:26

to continue...

She is a sweet girl, perhaps not up to the level of sweetness of affection as my favorita, but damned close, with more of an animalistic adoration than my favorita. In contrast, my favorita displays almost an emotional "adoration," in addition to the animalistic lusting, where "newbie girl" displays only an animalistic kind of desire, with some degree of emotional affection. I realize that it's early for newbie girl, and I anticipate that she will hopefully develop with a stronger emotional side, which is such a good catalyst for long term, totally consistent, repeatable hybrid GFE.

I know it's difficult for many to understand the level of my strong connection to my favorita. Some do not understand the distinction that impresses me with respect to attitude and depth of attention, desire, adoration, etc...These attributes are all magnified in her, very discernible to me in comparison. This kind of assessment is key to my overall assessment of ultimate potential for hybrid GFE in various girls. Anyway, suffice it to say, I found in my newbie girl, a very strong combination of the right attributes, emotionally.

I like a gentle girl, one with a sweet disposition, playful, and extremely affectionate, one with mucho corino. Anyone that knows my girlfriend choices will see these attributes in each them, some having the qualities I described more than others. Some are very good actresses, some have displayed a false sweetness initially for monetary sake, and later turned into really great, totally reliable, and sincerely "interested" options for me. But, suffice it to say, they all must pass a particular screening process, an assessment that takes place in the blink of an eye by me, but one that is absolutely essential to making them worthy of my interest. Carlos has the look in the eye test. I have the carino test.

I explained the details of the "salida" to her in the privados, during the second song. I had time to inspect the merchandise, to at least decide that she was sufficiently enticing physically to be worthwhile, and to talk with her long enough to determine her demeanor, which is, as has been articulated above, almost as important to me as the physical aspect. But, physically, she is a flaca morena, hard bodied, with an average face, 21 years old, medium brown hair, sexy perfect butt, no kids (ahhhh!!!).

Whether they have kids has started to be a real issue for me, and not because of tightness. Sure, tightness is the assumption, right? But, frankly, my experience is that they can be very tight after having a few kids, and some are not tight even if they have not had any. No, the issue is that kids are a total distraction for them, keeping them from staying with you long time, and definitely affecting the prospect of todo la noche, etc...and, even family responsibilities can invade their availability.

While I tolerate it with significant frustration with my favorita, I am now quite delighted when I find a girl that has no kids, and no family issues to keep her from spending my kind of time together. Newbie girl has no family issues. She tells me that she has not seen her parents since the age of five, raised by a grandmother...tragic? Yes, I feel sorry for her. But, at the same time, this scenario offers outstanding levels of availability compared to my favorita.

Newbie Girl holds a regular job in one of the malls during the day, and she tells me that she started working the bar to pay this month's rent. She claims not to like the job, and that she will not work there again, but I suspect that if she learns her trade, she will be grow accustomed to the money. But, she claims that she will not return to the bar scene. I realize that what they say is not usually what transpires, but at least she articulates the proper altruistic attitude for a young girl to have about selling her body.

We'll see if she makes me her sole provider, or if she gravitates back to the bar scene. Frankly, it's a double edged sword from my perspective. If they work the bar scene, chances are they are healthier than if you take them from the regular population because they have regular checkups to make sure they are not spreading diseases. But, if you take them from the bar scene, they are prone to become harder in their demeanor, incrementally used up, only to eventually be so frequently used that they are sometimes virtually numb, or so tired from working the hectic bar scene that they can't function when they do go with you.

I will illustrate this comparison between newbie girl and one other girl that I also bar fined that week, one that has worked the bar scene for several years, one that is still very sweet, but the consummate pro.

There is a huge difference between the "desire" exhibited between my newbie girl and the "consummate pro"....no comparison. But, "consummate pro" was nice, sweet, fun, but just not fantastic. Newbie girl was FANTASTIC, and a lot of that has to do with lack of exposure to the job, to lack of exposure to men, limited experience, her own circumstances at home, raised without parents being there, possibly needing a lot of affection herself, etc...Newbie girl did not want to leave, consummate pro left right on schedule.

As I have always said, there is much more to fully enjoying these girls if you can pay attention to the psychology, and give them what they truly desire emotionally. After all, remember, it costs you nothing to do so, and the payoff is huge. Because, literally, you will receive from them ten times what you are able to give them.

This is only going to be necessary if you desire my kind of experience, the hybrid GFE. And, while some might believe my attentions are disingenuous, they are not. My affection for certain girls could not be any more legitimate and sincerely felt.

If you're into MPs or streetwalkers, or you prefer limited time with them, then forget it, you need not worry about these issues. Just go have your fun, and don't worry about it. That's not a slam on those that partake in whatever their best scenarios are, whether they be MPs, room girls, streetwalkers, whatever. It is not a criticism. I merely point it out because for every one that enjoys the MP over my kind of scenario, there are just as many that enjoy the GFE. Just take a trip around the world and you will find many GFE officianodos in the notorious venues, the PI, Thailand, Indonesia, Colombia, etc...

But, if you're in a venue as often as I am, such as is the case with Monterrey, I hope most can understand that I have a different set of criteria in judging my optimum experience than some that only visit short periods of time, and infrequently. So, these psych issues play a huge role in getting me where I want to be. I merely articulate them here to make those aware of the orchestrations that must take place if you like my kind of scenario. If you don't want to work, and want to take the quick way out, then "consummate pros" are easily available.

Ok, so you're tired of reading all this drivel, but I am merely setting up why I believe the circumstances develop like this for me, the amount of time and effort I have invested, and what I do to cause them to occur.

So, we get back to my hotel, and the first thing I do is to put on some music. Now, I know the girls like their own brand of music, but I want to listen to what I like. I may be able to get them even more worked up with their own music, but I prefer my music. My music inspires my proper behavior. I don't need to inspire them, if I am behaving properly, and my music inspires my proper approach. And, frankly, my selections, while they are unfamiliar to them initially, seem to bring something out in the girls that I believe would not be there were I to play their familiar tunes. Fact is, once my favorite girls get a taste of the Gringo music, they request that we listen to it almost on a consistently regular basis, they usually choosing to listen to it over their own familiar selections. I give them the choice...they are either pandering to me, or they actually want it. It doesn't matter...it is, after all, all about me.

Now, WastedG had given me a wonderful selection of popular Spanish music, and I do believe that it is successful in his scenarios, but I have yet to try it out. My only thought is not whether it will properly inspire the girls, but more a matter of my being properly inspired to utilizing charm levels that result in the hybrid GFE scenario for me. I am inspired by my music, and it raises a bias in me. On another issue...

One thing I have always really liked about certain accommodations is the availability of a couch in the room. This prop is really almost indispensable if you want hybrid GFE. Oh, it really isn't mandatory. I mean, I did not have the advantage of a couch in the room with my favorita, but for newbie girl, the couch was available, and I used it really successfully.

What this allows you to do is to start slowly. To get to know each other intimately without sexual overtones. I started on the couch, listening to music, just talking, being PATIENT. Initially, I was wondering if this girl was much of a "kisser." Initially, she did not touch me sexually on the couch, nor did she kiss me. But, she did caress me a little, just to show affection.

She was quite proper in her manner, but sat close, talking, caressing my arm, etc...Eventually, I kissed her on the forehead in response to a joke, and then on the lips, and she was slow to develop in a reciprocating manner. She was just a little unsure of what to do. Kind of like a high school girl...HOW EXCITING!!! But, WOW, later, I had to come up for air, literally!!! I have never found a girl that likes kissing with such intensity. Although, most of my favoritas strongly exhibit this attribute.

She later told me that she was pretty inexperienced, and that she wanted to learn. I love when they say that. It's a preface to an absolutely wonderful time, and certainly a long term arrangement. I mean, you have to remember, many young girls have simply not had much experience, only to be ravaged by the impetuous young fools that try to get in their pants. And, honestly, the girls are into sex on a totally different level. You have to realize it or you aren't any better than the "boys" they have to deal with on a daily basis.

So, once the passionate kissing started, it just got better and better and better. She asked if I wanted her to take off her jacket. She was wearing a blue jean jacket, and she was, of course, still full clothed. So, she took off her jacket, and by that time, she was passionately attacking me on the couch. So, the caressing started. She was still a little reserved, not sure whether she should make a move. So, I moved her hand to my crouch, and that served as quite a catalyst, she becoming really horny, quite amorous.

Eventually, I undressed her, kissing her gently, and by the time I took her to the bed, she was drenched. Remember, I had not touched her there, not once. Only kissing and caressing, but not really in a sexual sense, but with intensity of tenderness and emotion that girls want.

I was astonished at how wet she was. Suffice it to say, she was totally into sex after that, passionately kissing me on the lips. Like I said, I could not breath!!! She also liked to nibble my lips, and to screw and kiss, screw and kiss, screw and kiss. We screwed me probably five times within a matter of an hour.

Now, keep in mind, I had payed a double salida for her, and we left at 8:00pm for my hotel. So, she was supposed to stay until 11pm, right? She left at 1am, and only because she had to work her mall job the next morning, early. She would have stayed all night otherwise. So, she stayed 5 hours. Again, no kids at home, no parents to ask questions. She did not want to leave, no clock watching, no desire to get on her way...just the opposite.

Cost? I agreed to pay her 1500 pesos in the club, so I kept my word, and gave her three 500 peso notes. She took the money, and told me that when we see each other in the future, it would be no money. I asked why, and she said it would not be right, that she wanted to see me for real. I told her no, that Carlos said I must always pay. :-))) And, I will.

Now, this girl was really pretty damned fantastic. But, frankly, compared to my favorita, I would kick her out of bed a thousand times over in comparison. That having been said, I now have four girls lined up that are really quite good. With all the complications associated with pinning down these girls, you really do have to have a range of options. I am working on my range of options, and will probably set something up with "newbie girl" for my next trip.

Member #3453

02-27-08, 16:34

I forgot to mention too that I had purchased some "store" bought cookies at the HEB when I was with Carlos. I had found some really good cookies I enjoyed in Germany, and I wanted to find something simlar to have on hand for the girls to munch on. So, I found some very similar ones at the HEB. Now, I still had quite a huge selection of my homemade cookies, but I always reserve those for the clubs, mis amigos, mis amigas, mi novia verdad (mi favorita).

I have also learned that to have their favorite liquor on hand, or beer, is a great strategy. In this case, while at the HEB with Carlos, and on his recommendation, I purchased a long dark blue bottle of Tequilla. I don't remember the brand name, but it was moderately expensive. It also comes in a really cool bottle, one that has a lot of ornateness to it. So, it's an impressive bottle, one that gives tequilla a little more stature and class, IMHO.

It is blended to have a smooth taste, intended to be drunk straight without mixers. But, I do not like straight Tequilla, even if it is blended to be mild. So, I purchased a lemonade "light", which is kind of like a flavored water, diet, no calorie, and I used it as a mixer in the room. I notice this is also sold in Oxxo, and it comes in regular size or large bottles. But, it's also pretty good as a mixer, just subtle enough to cut the bite of the Tequilla.

I prepared drinks for the both of us, a little ice, a lot of tequilla, and some "lite" lemonade as a mixer in the glass. She absolutely loved it. First, she drank hers, first slowly, and when she had finished hers, she drank what was left in my glass, also putting it to my lips so I could sip some. These were pretty large glasses. I usually have some shot glasses with me, but on this trip I had forgotten to bring them. Fortunately, the room also had a bar, and there were some nice glasses there, but for tequilla, they would have been considered too large. The glasses we used were more for a whiskey or scotch drink, not tequilla.

Anyway, she really liked it. She wasn't drunk, but you could tell that it relaxed her, and I think she really loved it. Now, I am not one to drink much alcohol, so I am always very controlled in my consumption, and this was no exception. And, I have no intention to get the girls drunk. That does not serve my purposes well. But, the ability of Tequilla, with a mixer, to relax the girls, can not be over emphasized. It works very well to make them comfortable, calm, and very amorous. It always works, and I use it sparingly. But, lately, I've decided that having it as one of my props is effective in it's own way, just as the cookies, chocolates, little trinkets, and various candies are effective in their own way.

I also had some genuine, and outstanding chocolate from Germany that I offered to her. Girls can NOT resist good chocolate, and I am almost thinking it functions as a mild aphrodisiac. It just seems to have some kind of power over them. I don't know...maybe I am imagining it. But, when I give a girl chocolates, they can't seem to resist eating at least one immediately. They almost never just thank me, and put it aside. I truly believe chocolate has some kind of effect on them. Call it psychological, whatever, I believe it has it's influential uses.

So, she would drink a little, then get up from the couch, have a cookie, then come back to the couch to sit with me, drink some more, kiss, kiss, kiss, caressing, kissing, caressing, kissing...This, all occurring prior to the sex of course. Then, after sex, when we were relaxing, we fixed another drink and shared it. She was never drunk, but you could sense her relax to the point of being totally submissive and horny.

Later, she told me, speaking of her time with me, "me encanta." What does that translate to mean Carlos? I know it means that you love "it," but "me gusta" is generally said where they like this or that. This is the first time I have heard "me encanta" from a girl. She made it a specific point to tell me, this after all was said and done, and we had showered, we sitting on the couch in towels, just relaxing, listening to some Lynyrd Skynyrd. I hear "te quiero" profusely from my favorita, but never had I heard "me encanta." I'm just curious what she may have actually meant in this context...

I wonder if it has a deeper meaning coming from a girl, and under these circumstances, and especially because she made such a point of looking me in the eye, and telling me, trying to make me understand, even asking me pointedly if I understand her. That's when she told me that she would not take my money, and that she wanted to know when I was coming back, if we could see each other again, that she wanted to see me for real, asking me why I don't have a girlfriend, if I want one, etc...Suffice it to say, it went quite well :-)))

Now, before I am accused of patting myself on the back, or being foolishly delusional, these are things she said to me, and things that simply illustrate her state of mind, or her state of manipulation, whichever, doesn't matter to me because it all translates directly into my own satisfaction level. It doesn't matter if she was totally disingenuous or completely legit. It only matters that I believed her demeanor, and I did. So, consequently, I had an unbelievable experience.

You simply can not accomplish this kind of reaction in the privados of some low level bar, nor is this achievable in an MP, or in some seedy hotel room. It requires work, effort, planning, money, etc...That is why I am so damned angry about someone claiming to come to Monterrey, and posting for the sole purpose of antagonizing me, claiming, in their wildest wet dreams, to have been with girls that I have personally worked on.

I have a lot of effort invested, and it has nothing to do with my being delusional, or self congratulatory. To reveal specifics about my girls would literally be stupid now on my part, admitedly a mistake I formerly made in this forum thinking that I was among friends. I will never again make the error, not because I can't take the heat, but because I can not risk "them" or "him" fucking-up my best planned scenarios by pointing those that are thoughtless back alley chasers at my private stock by revealing details about my girls in a public forum of anonymous lurkers that have not received my personal security clearance. Nothing against any of you, but I have my own interests to protect, hence I am relatively silent. Obviously, with my trusted, known friends, I can divulge information to them and not be concerned they will be disingenuous in their own motivations. Besides, they have their private stock as well, and they will never again refer to any of them in specifics due to the events occurring her in the recent past.

No, I always did say that to divulge specifics about girls here was dumb, and unfortunately for me, my concerns were proved valid at my own personal expense. But, of course, the bogus stories don't effect me...they are bogus. But, the disclosure of specifics has the potential to sabotage my world, and it threatens my fun, something that takes paramount importance over reporting on ISG. I hope the merit of keeping some things secret are now vividly illustrated for all to contemplate in their own circumstances.

I am not usually one to offer the sexual details of my exploits when posting my experiences, not even in the mild manner referred to here. But, some have expressed an interest that I spice it up a bit. But, suffice it to say, my references here do not even begin to illustrate the decadence and titillation that I so thankfully experienced as she used her body to make love to me, and not just to deliver sex for money...there is a huge difference. It is almost impossible to illustrate the difference with mere words if you have never tasted a bite of the apple.

There, that should hold you for another three months... :-)))

Zoom 21

02-27-08, 19:41

I forgot to mention too that I had purchased some "store" bought cookies at the HEB when I was with Carlos. I had found some really good cookies I enjoyed in Germany, and I wanted to find something simliar to have on hand for the girls to munch on. So, I found some very similiar ones at the HEB. Now, I still had quite a huge selection of my homemade cookies, but I always reserve those for the clubs, mis amigos, mis amigas, mi novia verdad (mi favorita).

I have also learned that to have their favorite liquor on hand, or beer, is a great strategy. In this case, while at the HEB with Carlos, and on his recommendation, I purchased a long dark blue bottle of Tequilla. I don't remember the brand name, but it was moderately expensive. It also comes in a really cool bottle, one that has a lot of ornateness to it. So, it's an impressive bottle, one that gives tequilla a little more stature and class, IMHO.

It is blended to have a smooth taste, intended to be drunk straight without mixers. But, I do not like straight Tequilla, even if it is blended to be mild. So, I purchased a lemonade "light", which is kind of like a flavored water, diet, no calorie, and I used it as a mixer in the room. I notice this is also sold in Oxxo, and it comes in regular size or large bottles. But, it's also pretty good as a mixer, just subtle enough to cut the bite of the Tequilla.

I prepared drinks for the both of us, a little ice, a lot of tequilla, and some "lite" lemonade as a mixer in the glass. She absolutely loved it. First, she drank hers, first slowly, and when she had finished hers, she drank what was left in my glass, also putting it to my lips so I could sip some. These were pretty large glasses. I usually have some shot glasses with me, but on this trip I had forgotten to bring them. Fortunately, the room also had a bar, and there were some nice glasses there, but for tequilla, they would have been considered too large. The glasses we used were more for a whiskey or scotch drink, not tequilla.

Anyway, she really liked it. She wasn't drunk, but you could tell that it relaxed her, and I think she really loved it. Now, I am not one to drink much alcohol, so I am always very controlled in my consumption, and this was no exception. And, I have no intention to get the girls drunk. That does not serve my purposes well. But, the ability of Tequilla, with a mixer, to relax the girls, can not be over emphasized. It works very well to make them comfortable, calm, and very amorous. It always works, and I use it sparingly. But, lately, I've decided that having it as one of my props is effective in it's own way, just as the cookies, chocolates, little trinkets, and various candies are effective in their own way.

I also had some genuine, and outstanding chocolate from Germany that I offered to her. Girls can NOT resist good chocolate, and I am almost thinking it functions as a mild aphrodisiac. It just seems to have some kind of power over them. I don't know...maybe I am imagining it. But, when I give a girl chocolates, they can't seem to resist eating at least one immediately. They almost never just thank me, and put it aside. I truly believe chocolate has some kind of effect on them. Call it psychological, whatever, I believe it has it's influential uses.

So, she would drink a little, then get up from the couch, have a cookie, then come back to the couch to sit with me, drink some more, kiss, kiss, kiss, caressing, kissing, caressing, kissing...This, all occurring prior to the sex of course. Then, after sex, when we were relaxing, we fixed another drink and shared it. She was never drunk, but you could sense her relax to the point of being totally submissive and horny.

Later, she told me, speaking of her time with me, "me encanta." What does that translate to mean Carlos? I know it means that you love "it," but "me gusta" is generally said where they like this or that. This is the first time I have heard "me encanta" from a girl. She made it a specific point to tell me, this after all was said and done, and we had showered, we sitting on the couch in towels, just relaxing, listening to some Lynyrd Skynyrd. I hear "te quiero" profusely from my favorita, but never had I heard "me encanta." I'm just curious what she may have actually meant in this context...

I wonder if it has a deeper meaning coming from a girl, and under these circumstances, and especially because she made such a point of looking me in the eye, and telling me, trying to make me understand, even asking me pointedly if I understand her. That's when she told me that she would not take my money, and that she wanted to know when I was coming back, if we could see each other again, that she wanted to see me for real, asking me why I don't have a girlfriend, if I want one, etc...Suffice it to say, it went quite well :-)))

Now, before I am accused of patting myself on the back, or being foolishly delusional, these are things she said to me, and things that simply illustrate her state of mind, which translates directly into my own satisfaction level. It doesn't matter if she was totally disingenuous. It only matters that I believed her demeanor, and I did. So, consequently, I had an unbelievable experience.

You simply can not accomplish this kind of reaction in the privados of some low level bar, nor is this acheivable in an MP, or in some seedy hotel room. It requires work, effort, planning, money, etc...That is why I am so damned angry about someone claiming to come to Monterrey, and posting for the sole purpose of antagonizing me, claiming, in their wildest wet dreams, to have been with girls that I have personally worked on.

I have a lot of effort invested, and it has nothing to do with my being delusional, or self congratulatory. To reveal specifics about my girls would literally be stupid on my part, admitedly a mistake I formerly made in this forum thinking that I was among friends. I will never again make the error, not because I can't take the heat, but because I can not risk "them" or "him" fucking-up my best planned scenarios by pointing those that are thoughtless alley chasers at my private stock by revealing details about my girls in a public forum of anonymous lurkers. Nothing against any of you, but I have my own interests to protect, hence I am relatively silent.

I am not usually one to offer the sexual details of my exploits when posting my experiences, not even in the mild manner referred to here. But, some have expressed an interest that I spice it up a bit. But, suffice it to say, my references here do not even begin to illustrate the decadence that I so thankfully experienced as she used her body to make love to me, not just to deliver sex for money...there is a huge difference. It is almost impossible to illustrate the difference with mere words if you have never tasted the apple.

There, that should hold you for another three months... :-)))USB:

I'm in the States right now but ask Carlos to show you how to make Vampiros, this is kind of a spicy bloody mary and the girls love it, I like to prepare it my self 'cause the one that sell in the club are made with chip tekila,(I worked as a bar tender when I was in college in Monterrey).

I hope your girls like it.

SD

MonterreyDude

02-28-08, 09:05

Won't work... USB is a pussy.
He doesn't like spicy stuff.....

USB:

I'm in the States right now but ask Carlos to show you how to make Vampiros, this is kind of a spicy bloody mary and the girls love it, I like to prepare it my self 'cause the one that sell in the club are made with chip tekila,(I worked as a bar tender when I was in college in Monterrey).

I hope your girls like it.

SD

Member #3453

02-28-08, 16:14

Right Carlos....galletas y leche, that's me, quiza coka lite, pero no mas :-))

Thanks for the tip SD...I will try it first on Carlos just to see if it has it's effects on an expendable subject. :-))

Won't work... USB is a pussy.
He doesn't like spicy stuff.....

Member #3453

04-04-08, 13:45

Ok, what do you guys think?

Here is the scenario...

A guy meets a newbie working in one of the bars. She has been on the job exactly two days, and it shows in all she does. She does nothing in the privados other than talk, no grinding, no kissing, no nothing, other than eating the home made cookies of this benevolent and generous hypothetical monger.

So, the monger proceeds to talk to her, not touching her, nothing other than to interview her, joke with her, and ascertain her personality. Of course, the monger likes her appearance, a flaca morena, nice butt, naturales, etc...and, he eventually decides, after only two dances, that her personality is such that she "may" be a good companion. Besides, time is of the essence this particular night, and the monger has little time to play his game with precision. He must act fast, exit the building, arrive at the hotel, and get on with it. This particular night is not conducive to his usual motice operandi. Generally, his methodology is much more subtle, much more manipulative, and much more persuasively planned. No, tonight, he has to move mountains, or he is spending the night alone. Of that, he is sure.

Well, the monger decides that he is going to try to get her to go on salida, but he realizes that she is a newbie, and will probably never agree to go. But, he also senses that the two of them are hitting it off well, even when there is literally no physical contact to speak of, just she sitting on his lap, munching a cookie. The monger has a sixth sense that is rarely wrong, and he is relying on it's accuracy, hoping that his perceptions aren't just optimistic delusions, hoping for the best possible scenario.

So, he decides he has nothing to lose, and he pops the question. At first, she is undecided. But, eventually, with a little persuasion, he convinces her that he will take her away from it all, and that they will have a marvelous evening together, and that as a result she will be enriched to the tune of 1500 pesos.

So, the monger is really quite surprised when she finally agrees, wondering the entire time if she is going to back out, thinking that getting a newbie on salida is really a difficult task, not something many newbie girls would consider doing after only two privados with a perfect stranger.

So, he is really quite pleased at she agreeing to go, at she actually changing into her street clothes, and at she actually leaving the building with him as the two hunt for a taxi to go to the hotel together. Yes, the monger is...well, surprised and delighted all at the same time.

He can sense a little fear is present in her, she wondering whether her new found friend is safe to be with, wondering if she is making a mistake, etc...He can sense that in her demeanor, but he also senses her willingness to risk it, for whatever reason. He hopes she is legitimately attracted to him because those kinds of motivations serve him the best with respect to GFE. But, he also realizes he is dealing with a bar girl, and he fully understands the monetary motivations that influence these crazy bar girls to do what they do.

Anyway, suffice it to say, the encounter goes hybrid GFE, really outstanding. So, many things confirm the monger's suspicions that she is indeed a newbie, maybe even that she is a girl confused about making a decision to work in a bar to begin with, one that doesn't really seem to like thinking of herself as "that kind of girl," much less making a decision to go out with a guy she met for no more than 10 minutes, at the most, just long enough to finish only two privado dances before deciding she would go back with him to the hotel.

Anyway, as the two are getting to know each other, the monger tells her he likes the scenario of a GFE, that he enjoys finding girls that he can maintain an ongoing relationship with, a girl he can have fun with apart from just the sex, a girl he can make friends with, one that he will see regularly when he returns to Monterrey from the States, one that she can feel safe with, one she can take an interest in, one to have fun with, etc...In other words, he explains the hybrid GFE to the girl, and he senses that she is intrigued by the idea, that she buys into it. She plainly tells him, literally, that she likes the way he thinks.

So, the monger eventually returns to the States after spending only one night with the girl. Now, the girl follows up on the monger's described scenario, conforming to the way in which it was explained to her, playing her role well, fulfilling her obligation to perpetuate their newly found friendship through subsequent actions that she must take on her end to bring the monger back to see her, actions she must take to deepen the "relationship" between them.

She does call him on his cell phone, she texts him a couple times asking the monger to call her so they can talk. She talks on the phone with him once or twice. She texts him that she loves/wants him, that she misses him, etc...this after only one session with the hypothetical monger. Obviously, the hypothetical monger is delighted that she is perpetuating his preferred scenario, and that she gets "it," and wants "it," for whatever reason.

The monger doesn't consider whether she is nutty, mercenary, delusional, desperate, etc...It really makes little difference to the monger because things are moving in the right direction, and he has no intention to hurt her emotionally, but merely to enjoy her company when he visits Monterrey. The monger has already explained to the girl that he travels extensively, that if things progress between them he wants to see her with legitimate affection when he is in Monterrey, that he wants to do things with her other than sex, things for entertainment, and to pass the time, kind of like an escort situation. He is honest with her about his intentions, that he will never legitimize her.

The monger realizes too that the girl may very likely be sincere, that she may have hopes for trapping the Gringo, but romantic hopes no worse than the hopes that any women has bouncing around in their little heads.

Who knows...maybe she likes the BFE as much as he likes the GFE, and they enjoy each others scenarios together...plus, she gets the money, although, she makes claims that in the future there will be NO MONEY. When he inquires as to why, she says because it would not be right, that the scenario needs to be based upon something sincere, and that it just isn't right for the money to be between the two of them.

So, the monger contemplates her statements, and he decides that he will see her again next time, but that he will always probably pay, simply because it keeps him in control of the scenario. He decides that to perpetuate the GFE, he will rely on a play on semantics. He will not pay her in the future, he will "help" her. Maybe he will pay less, but he will pay something, probably a significantly reduced amount, especially with respect to time spent, but he will help her.

I am not asking whether you believe her or not. That is irrelevant. Nor am I asking whether the monger is naive, or foolish for believing her or not. That too is also irrelevant. The monger knows what he likes, and he is getting it, regardless of the believability of her behaviors, except the monger observes that her behaviors are otherwise those of an academy award winning actress if she is disingenuous.

Here is the question...

Should the monger feel GUILTY, MANIPULATIVE, or CRUEL about leading her on? Is he merely toying with her, playing games with a possibly CONFUSED girl? Is he giving their relationship wings? Is he giving her expectations that will never truly develop into a legitimate relationship? Is he, by merely communicating with her when he is in the US, by setting up time for them to spend together when he returns, enjoying conversation between them as friends, expressing his legitimate affection for her, regardless of whether she is a Hooker or not, etc...being manipulative?

He believes that being a hooker doesn't make her any less adorable, nor does it cancel out his legitimate affection for time spent with her. And, to further inquire, does it matter if this is also occurring with an experienced bar girl, one that is much more cynical due to having been around?

Assuming their "feelings" are legit, should the monger feel guilty with respect to perpetuating a legitimate relationship with hookers, especially under the circumstances of where he found them to begin with, and especially when considering the prevailing manipulations of men that are routinely a part of their jobs? Is the old saying, "what is good for the goose, is also good for the gander," is that a legitimate attitude to take?

In other words, is it ok for them to manipulate us initially as mongers, for the sake of their jobs as bar girls and hookers, but not ok for we to manipulate them initially for our own desire for GFE. And then, if it all starts to go legit, then what? Is it disingenuous for us to perpetuate a legitimate friendship, one that develops into a legitimately romantic love interest for the mutual enjoyment of both hooker and monger?

Remember where he found her, the context under which the entire scenario developed to begin with, she being a bar girl, she agreeing to go on salida, she apparently enjoying it to a point of she proclaiming verbally, and in written text messages, that she holds a legitimate love interest in the monger as a companion.

And then, supposing, as would be assumed by the most cynical among us, naturally, that her articulations are purely born out of a desire to manipulate for monetary gain...If you adopt the belief that her articulations are purely manipulative, which is the natural assumption that all mongers would certainly believe, why then, are they any less culpable with respect to guilt, cruelty, dishonesty, or manipulations than we, assuming our manipulations have no basis in legitimate affection either?

Only, if you believe they are demonstrating a legitimate love interest, could you conclude that the monger is guilty of perpetrating a cruel manipulation upon the poor unsuspecting bar girl. But, that having been said, that is only true if the monger is insincere in his own affections for them.

And assuming the bar girl is insincere, but the monger's treatment of the bar girl is with sincerity of emotion, that the monger treats the girl as a girlfriend, with all the attention and sincerity of affection that would otherwise exist under legitimate circumstances, then whom is guilty of the manipulation and cruelty, and whom, if anyone, bares the responsibility for the guilt?

Round the World

04-04-08, 14:02

Hey USB
Enjoying reading about the new one.

But let's cut to the chase:
1) Where does she rank relative to Angel Girl?
2) is she still working in the bar?

Cheers
RtW

El Cabron 007

04-04-08, 15:03

OK - without reading your entire post, here's a quick comment .... for now:

It is not the horse, it is the knight.

Last newbie I took out was on her first night. My mono has been "I love to confuse newbie’s." You have now idea what you can do with a newbie.

That's it for now. I have a conference call to attend.

Oh yeah, I must also mention. She never came back to work. Ever.

Also, all my girls at Infinito, when I first took them out, were all newbies and I was their 1st and only takeout for a long time. Still applies to the current chicas too.

Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Ok, what do you guys think?

Here is the scenario...

A guy meets a newbie working in one of the bars. She has been on the job exactly two days, and it shows in all she does. She does nothing in the privados other than talk, no grinding, no kissing, no nothing, other than eating the home made cookies of this benevolent and generous hypothetical monger.
/QUOTE]

Member #3453

04-04-08, 16:48

She is my wife...really!! But, yes, she still works the bar. I have to make a living.

Hey USB
Enjoying reading about the new one.

But let's cut to the chase:
1) Where does she rank relative to Angel Girl?
2) is she still working in the bar?

Cheers
RtW

Member #3453

04-04-08, 16:50

They all say your are their first salida. Some are honest, some of lying, of course. I WAS Angry Girl's first...I think I WAS several other girl's first, the least of which was wifey. And, with respect to newbies...I agree to an extent. They can be good or bad though. Most of the newbies, frankly, offer a much better chance of being good than the seasoned ones.

OK - without reading your entire post, here's a quick comment .... for now:

It is not the horse, it is the knight.

Last newbie I took out was on her first night. My mono has been "I love to confuse newbie’s." You have now idea what you can do with a newbie.

That's it for now. I have a conference call to attend.

Oh yeah, I must also mention. She never came back to work. Ever.

Also, all my girls at Infinito, when I first took them out, were all newbies and I was their 1st and only takeout for a long time. Still applies to the current chicas too.

Wasted

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Ok, what do you guys think?

Here is the scenario...

A guy meets a newbie working in one of the bars. She has been on the job exactly two days, and it shows in all she does. She does nothing in the privados other than talk, no grinding, no kissing, no nothing, other than eating the home made cookies of this benevolent and generous hypothetical monger.
/QUOTE]

MonterreyDude

04-04-08, 18:24

Both of you are funny little men: Where is the written notary public certification that the girls you took out, were out on their first salida?

I just posted on the other thread that the girls are good in reading men, ergo they feed the men what they want to hear.
And don't come over and tell me that "the other girls confirmed it", cause they are ALL working together under the same roof.

Haven't both of you still yet realized that the girls dance around a "no salidas" policy cause they don't want their boyfriends to know it?
Maybe they promised them "no salidas con clientes", but temptation of money and fun is stronger.

My B girl at El Infi is one of them. She is getting married, and still doing salidas, except she tells all that "no salidas" so her BF won't know.

My new SC girl, she told me she has never had sex with customers, that am the only one... yesterday she slipped, quickly mended, but too late.
Which I don't care at all.
But she thinks I want to hear that, so she tries to spoon fed me that stuff.
Which I let her believe she is doing.

They all say your are their first salida. Some are honest, some of lying, of course. I WAS Angry Girl's first...I think I WAS several other girl's first, the least of which was wifey. And, with respect to newbies...I agree to an extent. They can be good or bad though. Most of the newbies, frankly, offer a much better chance of being good than the seasoned ones.

[QUOTE=Wastedgman]OK - without reading your entire post, here's a quick comment .... for now:

It is not the horse, it is the knight.

Last newbie I took out was on her first night. My mono has been "I love to confuse newbie’s." You have now idea what you can do with a newbie.

That's it for now. I have a conference call to attend.

Oh yeah, I must also mention. She never came back to work. Ever.

Also, all my girls at Infinito, when I first took them out, were all newbies and I was their 1st and only takeout for a long time. Still applies to the current chicas too.

Wasted

Doubt98

04-04-08, 20:38

No matter what happens on your night together, her continuing to work in the bars will change her attitude no matter what. It is one of the only true constant things about that job. Any length of time doing it and it will effect her. No way it can't, won't or shouldn't. She might still talk to you the same way but on the inside "she ain't no newbie"

El Cabron 007

04-05-08, 20:41

What? You mean I can not trust what these girls are saying?

They Lie? They are not honest? The cheat? The have sex?

I am shocked. My dreams are shattered.

Haven't both of you still yet realized that the girls dance around a "no salidas" policy cause they don't want their boyfriends to know it?
Maybe they promised them "no salidas con clientes", but temptation of money and fun is stronger.

Member #3453

04-06-08, 12:38

Well, some have suggested that if I continue to see newbie girl, I am somehow being disingenuous toward her, and that I might be taking advantage of her. And, while I do not really wish to be cruel to anyone, not even to newbie bar girls that eventually might turn hardened, and/or are initially manipulative, I do contemplate the effects on them of my GFE approach.

ANGEL GIRL UPDATE:

Case in point, my best girl has been "going with me" now for 2-1/2 years. With respect to "ALL" girls not being trustworthy, certainly, in the strictest sense, even with my angel girl, that is certainly the case. She has not always told me the complete truth, but she has been relatively trustworthy. I mean, comon,' she's a bar girl. We are from two different planets. With her background comes my obligation to understand her demons, most of which are environmental and sociological. So, when I speak of "trust," it is within the proper context.

WastedG had it right though. I just want to have something more meaningful than a mechanical session. But, with that sometimes comes a tremendous amount of emotional hurt, for me, and for them. With hybrid GFE things must ALWAYS change over time. Emotional pain, if GFE is done the way I play the game, is inevitable.

Most recently, Angel Girl has told me of an "on again" novio. She has spoken of him many times, and explained her circumstances with him candidly. She has told me of their relationship for the past 2-1/2 years.

She recently told me that their relationship is "on" again, but that she has serious doubts about the depth of her love for him. Fact is, she has told me she does not love him. But, I know how deeply she loves her 3 year old son. I can tell you this. Women will literally die for their kids, and they will even marry for them, fuck for them, demean themselves for them, sacrifice their own happiness for them, be miserable for them, whatever it takes.

She feels a strong responsibility to make a family for her son. Literally, for 2-1/2 years, I believe she thought I was available for that, even when I repeatedly told her I was not. I believe she targeted me, sincerely, because she loves me, and because she wanted me to provide for she and her son, even when I always made it quite clear that I could not do that. But, I never told her the real reason why, that I am married. I always told her of other reasons. But, I believe that learning that I am married changed the paradigm completely.

She has been honest with me, just as she is honest with me these days, telling me that she wants to make a family for her son. She tells me that the love she feels for me surpasses the love she has for her novio. I know it's naive to assume she is telling me the truth, but after having known this girl so intimately now for so long, I think I actually do believe her.

Not that the reality of that has any meaning because literally, she apparently felt compelled to tell me the truth of their relationship all along, over the past 2-1/2 years. So, none of this is new to me. She has done so as her relationship with the novio has taken its ups and downs. She could just have easily told me she had no boyfriend, etc...but, she respected our friendship enough to be honest with me.

She always told me he was her friend, and that he wanted another girl, which I believe was the case for quite a long period. When we found each other, and a legitimate attraction existed, I believe the prospects of the amigo actually having any stature in her love life, was relatively dim. When I came along, literally, she put him on hold, for probably the last 2-1/2 years. But, because I was absent from Monterrey for the last 6-8 months tending to business issues, the holidays, etc...and because it was revealed to her during that time that I was married, she made the decision to start seeing him again with "purpose" in mind. I mean, how many Mexican male prospects are out there that would take on a woman with a kid?

You see, she found out I was married, which changed her entire perspective on the potential for "us," not only because it confirmed for her that I would probably never leave my wife and family, but also because she does not like the idea that she might be breaking up my family. As crazy as it sounds, and as depraved as these girls seem to be, many of them are respectful of the institution of marriage, more than you would even expect. That's why I NEVER tell them the truth. And, literally, my angel girl has this ethic in her heart. She had heard I was married, and when she revealed to me that she had decided, as a result of having learned that I was married from my amigo, to resume seeing her novio. When I heard this, I decided to confirm to her that I was married. I did this out of love for her. I did not want to postpone her opportunities in life.

She has an opportunity to make a family with this novio, apparently a nice guy. Actually, I have met him once, and seemingly, he is a nice guy. But, she told me how much the intensity of our relationship has always delayed her making any decisions about him, and that she sincerely did not love him. Frankly, I believe she wanted a shot at me for real. When she learned I was definitely married, the prospect of that opportunity was not an option for her any longer, and she does not feel it is "right" to see me as novios. She told me that when my amigo told her I was married, it was like someone plunged a knife into her heart (bless her heart...really). I did not intend to hurt her. From the beginning, I just assumed we were playing games, and then I realized somewhere along the line that it was getting serious, serious for both of us.

She knows I would never leave my wife and family, even though, as Wasted pointed out, being with her illustrates for me everything a man's carnal desires could be, and it tortures me daily thinking of losing her
love-making in comparison to all that I have experienced before.

HOWEVER, apparently the desire is strong in her for me, because literally, when we were together last time, after having revealed all our "secrets" to one another, she still fucked me silly for three days. After I returned to the US, I know she told the novio that I am back, and that she is confused. She on again with me, off again with him. It's a frickin' mess! :-)))

The novio always understood the depth of her affection for me, her attraction to me, and even now is threatened significantly by my seeing her. She told him she saw me last time. She told him after I returned to the US because she wanted to resume our love affair, and she was confused. She told me that when she tried breaking it off with him, and that he was so very angry with her. He knows she is in love with me. But, she is also resolved to making a life for herself. Truth is, I am not sure I will continue to expect her to see me with any kind of commitment for that reason. I have told her we can still meet secretly. I told her then not to tell him, but she told him anyway, telling him that she was in love with me, and that she wanted to see me.

But, I also know the strength of her motivation to make a family for her son. Her sense of responsibility to her son, and her family in general, is admirable, beyond any preconceived stereotypical assumptions that these bar girls are irresponsible. I think she will gravitate back to the novio, provided they do not fight, which is always a huge possibility. I mean, I fully anticipate them having broken up again by the time I return to Monterrey. Business as usual.

But, I do worry a little bit. I mean, a Gringo in Mexico is a sitting duck, and my intervention in his desire to romance her could actually be dangerous. I don't think he's a dangerous dude, but I think that my medaling in a legitimate romantic effort on his part could possibly not be the wisest decision on my part. But, I love her dearly, and not seeing her would be almost unbearable. So, I will probably see her, fuck her silly for a few days, and back she'll go, provided he hasn't pissed her off again with his wanderings, and assuming they haven't started fighting. I am, frankly, banking on seeing them break up. But, I really don't want to be the catalyst to that. I just want it to happen on its own, mainly because I don't want to be targeted by a Mexicano with friends that might like the idea of messing with a Gringo medaling in their attempts to maintain a girlfriend.

After I told her I was married, she revealed to me that a certain someone, someone who knows my personal circumstances, revealed to her that I was married. So, it became clear to me why she decided recently to legitimately consider the attentions of the novio, whom she never trusted, and apparently had no strong emotional feelings for. Her exact words..." I have a chance at making my son happy, and there is a lot of affection between him and my son." She's always telling me that he needs a father. However, the novio is an amigo, so there is a basis in friendship between them. For that reason it could actually work between them, and I kind of feel bad about sticking my dick where it does not perhaps belong.

I realize why this individual may have told her about my marital status, to spare her any heartache. Because, literally, he knows the depth of her love for me, and I believe he also realizes that she was waiting for me to marry her. I also think he had my best interest at heart, and believed that I might be so smitten by her, that I would do something foolish and ruin my own life over her. I know he realizes that she feels this way about me. Otherwise, if he truly believed she was just being manipulative or disingenuous, he would not have felt compelled to tell her my truths. Because, literally, what would be his motivation to tell her otherwise. If he believed she was manipulating me, why tell her anything? She was not manipulating me. She loves me, and he knows it.

She never mislead me, she never took advantage of me, she never lied to me (more or less), and she loved me legitimately with a depth of emotion and affection that I have never found in Monterrey, a depth of emotion that is not duplicated in the mongering scene. That's the loss I feel. Were I to return to Monterrey again, I know the depth of my disappointment were I not able to see her, would be so depressing that even contemplating a return is out of my mind at this juncture.

WastedG understands me. What I ultimately crave is what I have with her, and she has been the pinnacle of my achievements in Monterrey. She has been my mistress for 2-1/2 years. I have NOT been mongering. She was my lover for 2-1/2 years. I had an "affair" for 2-1/2 years. There is a huge and vast difference between mongering and having a legitimate love affair.

That is why, when I returned to Monterrey, for the last 2-1/2 years, I've been relatively faithful to her, only straying occasionally, and usually only taking girls from other bars so I would not hurt her feelings. I knew that her affections were real, and I respected our commitments to each other, which I believe she kept, within reason, apart from doing her job in the bar. I am not naive.

The point here is to reveal the depth of what can develop with hybrid GFE. I am on the same road now with newbie girl. I am at a juncture where I am seriously contemplating the merits of pushing the relationship in the same direction as my love affair with angel girl. I seriously doubt that it's worth the inevitable heartache. It's really a two edged sword. You get all the intensity of the hybred GFE, but coming down off the high can be extremely painful. So, now, I contemplate my next moves.

Frankly, I believe that what is between angel girl and me will never change, regardless of what she says in her more cognitive moments, times when she is thinking without the depth of emotion that is so obviously between us when we're together. And, truly, I believe that when I return, she will be right back in my bed, and for as long as I choose, not because she is a hooker, but because we give each other something that neither of us get otherwise. We are addicted to each other, we are good friends, and we are lovers.

But, with newbie girl, I am really quite torn about how to play it. I am starting to believe that maybe I should just blow into town, and screw them silly, and maybe not take things quite so far as I did with angel girl. I did not mean to hurt her, which I have done. It just happening between us, something I really didn't anticipate. I mean, shit, I didn't really ever anticipate we would fall in "love" with each other. But, the point of my post is, it happens. So, if you choose to play the hybrid GFE game, be prepared to hurt, and know yourself well enough to know whether it will be worth it to you.

I relate what is said by her, my interpretations of what is happening, sometimes conjecture, etc...Who knows how much of it is really what is going on per se. I think I am reading things accurately, but obviously it could all be BS. But, I really don't think so. The test of time has a tendency to reveal reality. Regardless of what you may think of my antics, I choose to relay it anyway, just to inform about the hybrid GFE, and to hopefully enlighten those who might consider my path.

But, the bigger issue is that I am heading down this same path now with newbie girl. And, because of angel girl, I am reluctant, wondering if it's healthy for everyone concerned. I doubt I have seen the last of Angel Girl. I suspect she will be in my bed next trip, and probably that she will be as confused then as she seems now. I just wonder if I should spark the same kind of stuff with newbie girl. I am torn.

No matter what happens on your night together, her continuing to work in the bars will change her attitude no matter what. It is one of the only true constant things about that job. Any length of time doing it and it will effect her. No way it can't, won't or shouldn't. She might still talk to you the same way but on the inside "she ain't no newbie"

MonterreyDude

04-06-08, 19:15

Prestatement: I had loooong post, but HELL!!! I lost it!!!

Ok, short version....

USB: "Well, some have suggested that if I continue to see newbie girl, I am somehow being disingenuous toward her, and that I might be taking advantage of her. And, while I do not really wish to be cruel to anyone, not even to newbie bar girls that eventually might turn hardened, and/or are initially manipulative, I do contemplate the effects on them of my GFE approach."

Let us be real, USB has no meaness inside of him, he can not be disingenous nor he has the capacity to take advantage of her.

This is the stereotype of club girls, that they are dumb... something they are totally NOT.
You have to be damn cruel and insensible to take advantage of a club girl.
On the other hand, if you are not mean, nor cruel, it is the OTHER WAY AROUND: the girl will take advantage of you, whether she is a newbie, or a veteran.

Hell, you have to be MEAN, ugly mean to deal with the girls
USB has minimized Wasted's and my strategies of aproaching girls in the sense that we have not found GFE.
We know so well that we avoid it like the plague.
We know so well that we have to hit them hard on the head to stop them from controling the situation.

USB has not taken in account that there is a new generation of girls out there that he does not fully comprehend.
That, and again I repeat, makes him an open mark for them.

He's so used to Angel Girl, that when he tries to go for another one, that other girl, has a field trip with him.

No, USB needs a streak of meaness he will never have.
And he needs it.

Member #3453

04-06-08, 19:54

i think you're right. remember, i've been with angel girl for so long that i have not really practiced any brand of ruthlessness. but, frankly, it is the lack of ruthlessness that set me up with angel girl to begin with. she loves me because i am different. the lack of ruthlessness, cruelty, or meanness is what is required in my behavior in order for them to drop their defenses, defenses that are in place to counter the cruelty, meanness, and ruthlessness of their typical clients. i am engaged in a risky business. it requires significant amounts of effort, work, and vulnerability to achieve hybred gfe such as what i've experienced with angel girl.

i know the bar girls are ruthless. but, i assure you, there is still softness on the inside, deep inside with some, and closer to the surface with others. you can witness it with ones you know very well, ones where you have worked to drop their defenses. and, even with some, if you witness their behavior with their kids, you will notice them exhibit their own vulnerability.

angel girl's soft side did not become evident to me until i dropped my own defenses. it was an absolute pre-requisite to setting up the hybred experience. you simply can not have the hybred experience without it. remember, it took me a year to determine that in angel girl. initially, i had identified her as one of the ruthless connivers...well, not that bad, but definitely a possible "standard issue" bar girl. as a result, i had no interest in her. i believed that initially she was playing her role with me, certainly during the first time i bar fined her, literally a year before we started seeing each other legitimately.

of course, later, i discovered her's was not an act. somewhere along the journey, she dropped her defenses, and we reached a softness between us where ruthlessness, meanness, and conniving do not abide. she was, and is, exceptional. but, not only is she exceptional, she is a-typical of most bar girls. rest assured, i realize she is not typical, and for that reason i am cautious with others of her that might want a place at the usb table. i can spot them a mile away.

already, my assessment of newbie girl is one of caution, but also one where i believe she has potential for hybred gfe, although she does not approach angel girl, not in looks, not in personality, and not in shear charm. i will assess her carefully, meticulously, assessments made to a standard that probably few girls could live up to in comparison to angel girl. remember too, even though i have been relatively loyal to angel girl, i've still engaged in finding other options, just as you've advised me carlos. i have other options even now, and some are quite passionate, ones i would consider hot, gfe, etc..., but nowhere near the legitimacy of my affair with angel girl. none of the other options are hybred gfes, yet.

my problem now is, if i am not in love with angel girl, i am certainly in love with her ways. literally, no other options come close. newbie girl literally [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124) me when we are together, but there is not yet the emotional connection that makes her [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) of me the paradise i am used to, certainly not the paradise that is my angel girl. i will probably measure all future girls against an almost unmeasureable standard in angel girl. that is the problem with my making selections now at this juncture, and not in my supposed inability to be cruel, mean, or ruthless.

cruelty, meanness, ruthlessness??? you can not get to hybred gfe with those tactics...that is the lesson of my post. it is the subject that makes my post relevant to the board. if you seek hybred gfe with these girls, it requires you to drop all those macho attributes, to approach the girls differently than your best kept advise. it is what distinguishes you from all the rest. but, by the same token, you expose yourself to significant vulnerability. only you can discern the payoff, and whether exposing yourself to those kinds of vulnerabilities is worth the risk.

prestatement: i had loooong post, but hell!!! i lost it!!!

ok, short version....

usb: "well, some have suggested that if i continue to see newbie girl, i am somehow being disingenuous toward her, and that i might be taking advantage of her. and, while i do not really wish to be cruel to anyone, not even to newbie bar girls that eventually might turn hardened, and/or are initially manipulative, i do contemplate the effects on them of my gfe approach."

let us be real, usb has no meaness inside of him, he can not be disingenous nor he has the capacity to take advantage of her.

this is the stereotype of club girls, that they are dumb... something they are totally not.
you have to be damn cruel and insensible to take advantage of a club girl.
on the other hand, if you are not mean, nor cruel, it is the other way around: the girl will take advantage of you, whether she is a newbie, or a veteran.

hell, you have to be mean, ugly mean to deal with the girls
usb has minimized wasted's and my strategies of aproaching girls in the sense that we have not found gfe.
we know so well that we avoid it like the plague.
we know so well that we have to hit them hard on the head to stop them from controling the situation.

usb has not taken in account that there is a new generation of girls out there that he does not fully comprehend.
that, and again i repeat, makes him an open mark for them.

he's so used to angel girl, that when he tries to go for another one, that other girl, has a field trip with him.

no, usb needs a streak of meaness he will never have.
and he needs it.

MonterreyDude

04-07-08, 02:45

sometimes people amaze me... and i do not mean usb!!!

mongers feel so good when a girl does not charge him that they fail to see that the girl is opting to do it as a way of controling the customer.
but paying a girl is an intricate system of checks and balances.
payment and her being a ho is the only thing that keeps her in check, the only way we can control them.

now, back to usb: "my assessment of newbie girl is one of caution, but also one where i believe she has potential for hybred gfe"

this hybred gfe is a knife with 2 edges. very dangerous stuff. can work bad really bad.

this newbie girl is not acustumed to the system, she's almost like a loose cannon inside a house full of cannons waiting to explode.

when my harem girl retired from work, my true hybred gfe that i kept hidden from perverts like wasted, we had a small talk and i told her openly i would not go after her once she started a regular job.

why? cause there is nothing to stop her to get to me. no checks and balances, no more "am a ho" stigma, no more "pay me for sexual favors".

newbie girl is exactly that.
she's a girl that doesn't understand there are checks and balances in place she must stick too.
she's a loose cannon.

usb says: "cruelty, meanness, ruthlessness??? you can not get to hybred gfe with those tactics"

i meant it as defense from the general populance of ho's, the ones out there, waiting to get their hands in your wallet, not the chosen ones.
the ones you have to dicipline, turn them around in your favor.

i think you're right. remember, i've been with angel girl for so long that i have not really practiced any brand of ruthlessness. but, frankly, it is the lack of ruthlessness that set me up with angel girl to begin with. she loves me because i am different. the lack of ruthlessness, cruelty, or meanness is what is required in my behavior in order for them to drop their defenses, defenses that are in place to counter the cruelty, meanness, and ruthlessness of their typical clients. i am engaged in a risky business. it requires significant amounts of effort, work, and vulnerability to achieve hybred gfe such as what i've experienced with angel girl.

i know the bar girls are ruthless. but, i assure you, there is still softness on the inside, deep inside with some, and closer to the surface with others. you can witness it with ones you know very well, ones where you have worked to drop their defenses. and, even with some, if you witness their behavior with their kids, you will notice them exhibit their own vulnerability.

angel girl's soft side did not become evident to me until i dropped my own defenses. it was an absolute pre-requisite to setting up the hybred experience. you simply can not have the hybred experience without it. remember, it took me a year to determine that in angel girl. initially, i had identified her as one of the ruthless connivers...well, not that bad, but definitely a possible "standard issue" bar girl. as a result, i had no interest in her. i believed that initially she was playing her role with me, certainly during the first time i bar fined her, literally a year before we started seeing each other legitimately.

of course, later, i discovered her's was not an act. somewhere along the journey, she dropped her defenses, and we reached a softness between us where ruthlessness, meanness, and conniving do not abide. she was, and is, exceptional. but, not only is she exceptional, she is a-typical of most bar girls. rest assured, i realize she is not typical, and for that reason i am cautious with others of her that might want a place at the usb table. i can spot them a mile away.

already, my assessment of newbie girl is one of caution, but also one where i believe she has potential for hybred gfe, although she does not approach angel girl, not in looks, not in personality, and not in shear charm. i will assess her carefully, meticulously, assessments made to a standard that probably few girls could live up to in comparison to angel girl. remember too, even though i have been relatively loyal to angel girl, i've still engaged in finding other options, just as you've advised me carlos. i have other options even now, and some are quite passionate, ones i would consider hot, gfe, etc..., but nowhere near the legitimacy of my affair with angel girl. none of the other options are hybred gfes, yet.

my problem now is, if i am not in love with angel girl, i am certainly in love with her ways. literally, no other options come close. newbie girl literally [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124) me when we are together, but there is not yet the emotional connection that makes her [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) of me the paradise i am used to, certainly not the paradise that is my angel girl. i will probably measure all future girls against an almost unmeasureable standard in angel girl. that is the problem with my making selections now at this juncture, and not in my supposed inability to be cruel, mean, or ruthless.

cruelty, meanness, ruthlessness??? you can not get to hybred gfe with those tactics...that is the lesson of my post. it is the subject that makes my post relevant to the board. if you seek hybred gfe with these girls, it requires you to drop all those macho attributes, to approach the girls differently than your best kept advise. it is what distinguishes you from all the rest. but, by the same token, you expose yourself to significant vulnerability. only you can discern the payoff, and whether exposing yourself to those kinds of vulnerabilities is worth the risk.