Bangkok Reports

[Jgm005]

Are the ATMs in Asoke at CityBank the only ones that do not apply the 150 Bath surcharge for withdrawals these days? Has anyone come over CityBank ATM's in any other locations than Asoke?So far as I am aware they went to the 150 bt rip off fee before Aeon just did. For I do remember giving it a test run, months ago, at the Citibank location in Central World.

[Mouse1]

Another (and a plus for those that understand Bangkok) mega factor a few years back was that movie HANGOVER PART 2 which I believe has caused many westerners to avoid Bangkok.I think you hugely overestimate the importance a movie like that might have in influencing the tourist market. It plays to a certain franchise, and those who might be alarmed about ladyboys are probably not in that target audience. Would anyone really not go to say Europe, having seen 'Taken'?

[Western787]

I think you hugely overestimate the importance a movie like that might have in influencing the tourist market. It plays to a certain franchise, and those who might be alarmed about ladyboys are probably not in that target audience. Would anyone really not go to say Europe, having seen 'Taken'?

You're analogy is not very good.

Name major movies in the last 10 to 15 years shown in american theaters (out of the 200 to 300 introduced each year) where the central focus has been on Bangkok itself. Off the cuff, I can only think of two: (the very low box office) BANGKOK DANGEROUS and then of course HANGOVER 2, with the first one opening with Nicolas Cage calling the city "dirty and dangerous" but otherwise being somewhat positive in that it at least puts out a reasonably accurate representation of a G club

Now name major movies introduced in the west where the central focus was some (non UK) European or Eastern European locale. In fact there are 100's, too many to list.

HANGOVER 2 (although pretty idiotic at times) was not only focused on Bangkok (itself unusual) but was a mega blockbuster seen by a massive audience, 3 times the audience of TAKEN, and it focused on a very precise location (not a generic Europe) and involved an area of the world (vs Europe) that few people in the West have any direct exposure to, and thus can be easily influenced by.

The central joke in the movie in fact was the ladyboy issue. In Tilac they used real females as dancers, but later portrayed it as a ladyboy bar, then they got an actor for the joke in the dressing room with a higher than normal voice or perhaps even dubbed. That joke is what many people remember about the movie.To suggest one cannot tell the difference between ladyboys and real women is complete nonsense, yet people believe this.

Not sure how one makes an analogy to TAKEN which basically follows the politically correct line about "trafficked women"
I also cited perhaps (once the biggest movie critic in the business) as himself saying HANGOVER 2 ran like an anti-Bangkok travelogue. How many times does a critic say something like that?

Never underestimate the influence of pop culture (movies, TV, celebrities) on people's perceptions, particularly in an age of an increasingly semi-literate western population. If you want to see how movies and TV can not just reflect but act as a causative factor, check out the history of the MIAMI VICE televisions series in the 1980's, and how it impacted Miami and people's perceptions of that city. It was a huge factor.

[CockTeased]

I've just started writing my checklist and bought a backpack yesterday, I'm so excited. Arriving to Suvarnabhumi 4 March and will try to find my way in to this occupied mega city, damn I haven't scored since August.

So, where's the place to go for a couple of frustrated blue balls of mine, Nana Plaza, Patpong or Soi Cowboy?

I know you can go ST for 500 B in Pattaya, even with good looking girls (though I know there are many farang over paying) can one do in BKK too or what's the (correct) rate there?

I'm just looking for bar hopping, beer sipping, music, pool tables and lots of hot girls to choose from.

See you fellows.

[Tomasb]

I agree with your assessment. There was supposed to be a movie called Bangkok 8 based on Burdett's novel of the same name but apparently the film has been cancelled. This movie, if it ever made, would certainly focus on Bangkok's seamy side. It is a great book for those with an afternoon on the beach to spare.

Let's not forget the King and I too. LOL!


You're analogy is not very good.

Name major movies in the last 10 to 15 years shown in american theaters (out of the 200 to 300 introduced each year) where the central focus has been on Bangkok itself. Off the cuff, I can only think of two: (the very low box office) BANGKOK DANGEROUS and then of course HANGOVER 2, with the first one opening with Nicolas Cage calling the city "dirty and dangerous" but otherwise being somewhat positive in that it at least puts out a reasonably accurate representation of a G club

Now name major movies introduced in the west where the central focus was some (non UK) European or Eastern European locale. In fact there are 100's, too many to list.

HANGOVER 2 (although pretty idiotic at times) was not only focused on Bangkok (itself unusual) but was a mega blockbuster seen by a massive audience. 3 times the audience of TAKEN, and it focused on a very precise location (not a generic Europe) and involved an area of the world (vs Europe) that few people in the West have any direct exposure to, and thus can be easily influenced by.

The central joke in the movie in fact was the ladyboy issue. In Tilac they used real females as dancers, but later portrayed it as a ladyboy bar, then they got an actor for the joke in the dressing room with a higher than normal voice or perhaps even dubbed. That joke is what many people remember about the movie. To suggest one cannot tell the difference between ladyboys and real women is complete nonsense, yet people believe this.

Not sure how one makes an analogy to TAKEN which basically follows the politically correct line about "trafficked women"

I also cited perhaps (once the biggest movie critic in the business) as himself saying HANGOVER 2 ran like an anti-Bangkok travelogue. How many times does a critic say something like that?

Never underestimate the influence of pop culture (movies, TV, celebrities) on people's perceptions, particularly in an age of an increasingly semi-literate western population. If you want to see how movies and TV can not just reflect but act as a causative factor, check out the history of the MIAMI VICE televisions series in the 1980's, and how it impacted Miami and people's perceptions of that city. It was a huge factor.

[Tomasb]

I agree with your assessment. There was supposed to be a movie called Bangkok 8 based on Burdett's novel of the same name but it apparently the film has been cancelled. This movie, if it ever made, would certainly focus on Bangkok's seamy side. It is a great book for those with an afternoon on the beach to spare.

Let's not forget the King and I too. LOL!


You're analogy is not very good.

Name major movies in the last 10 to 15 years shown in american theaters (out of the 200 to 300 introduced each year) where the central focus has been on Bangkok itself. Off the cuff, I can only think of two: (the very low box office) BANGKOK DANGEROUS and then of course HANGOVER 2, with the first one opening with Nicolas Cage calling the city "dirty and dangerous" but otherwise being somewhat positive in that it at least puts out a reasonably accurate representation of a G club

Now name major movies introduced in the west where the central focus was some (non UK) European or Eastern European locale. In fact there are 100's, too many to list.

HANGOVER 2 (although pretty idiotic at times) was not only focused on Bangkok (itself unusual) but was a mega blockbuster seen by a massive audience. 3 times the audience of TAKEN, and it focused on a very precise location (not a generic Europe) and involved an area of the world (vs Europe) that few people in the West have any direct exposure to, and thus can be easily influenced by.

The central joke in the movie in fact was the ladyboy issue. In Tilac they used real females as dancers, but later portrayed it as a ladyboy bar, then they got an actor for the joke in the dressing room with a higher than normal voice or perhaps even dubbed. That joke is what many people remember about the movie. To suggest one cannot tell the difference between ladyboys and real women is complete nonsense, yet people believe this.

Not sure how one makes an analogy to TAKEN which basically follows the politically correct line about "trafficked women"

I also cited perhaps (once the biggest movie critic in the business) as himself saying HANGOVER 2 ran like an anti-Bangkok travelogue. How many times does a critic say something like that?

Never underestimate the influence of pop culture (movies, TV, celebrities) on people's perceptions, particularly in an age of an increasingly semi-literate western population. If you want to see how movies and TV can not just reflect but act as a causative factor, check out the history of the MIAMI VICE televisions series in the 1980's, and how it impacted Miami and people's perceptions of that city. It was a huge factor.

[Western787]

I've just started writing my checklist and bought a backpack yesterday, I'm so excited. Arriving to Suvarnabhumi 4 March and will try to find my way in to this occupied mega city, damn I haven't scored since August.

So, where's the place to go for a couple of frustrated blue balls of mine, Nana Plaza, Patpong or Soi Cowboy?

I know you can go ST for 500 B in Pattaya, even with good looking girls (though I know there are many farang over paying) can one do in BKK too or what's the (correct) rate there?

I'm just looking for bar hopping, beer sipping, music, pool tables and lots of hot girls to choose from.

See you fellows.Given Soi Cowboy is adjacent to a major SHUTDOWN BANGKOK encampment on Soi 21 (only the eastern entrance is completely unblocked) so that means Nana Plaza along with Soi 4 pool bars and Nana Parking Lot girls are the best bet. There are at least 7 or 8 major pool bars around Soi 4 and they can have over the course of the day a pretty decent and constantly shifting inventory of girls, and they are open by 10 AM. (note newer girls often have to work mornings among other times) Plus you got Beer Garden on Soi 7 open all day with slightly older girls, but sometimes younger and hotter women after 7 pm, but not many Go Go level of course, and after 10 PM a pretty good inventory of cute girls will start to build at Thermae Coffee House (Sukumvit Road between Soi 13 and Soi 15), but the Japanese are favored, but westerners can pick up sometimes. Add the Go Go's in Nana Plaza which open at 8 PM, and that's at least 1000 girls to select from on any given day just in that general vicinity. I'm not even counting various small massage parlors which are all over the place.

Soi Cowboy still worth going to, (Baccarra especially) but its a hassle to get to if you're coming from lets say the Soi 11 area.

As for Patpong, I would consider it more of a backup.

Many oil message parlors are around Soi 33 and across Sukhumvit at Soi 24/1 and if you got the dollars, you can go to Huay Khwang Station (MRT subway) in Ratchada and there are huge Soapies with perhaps on a combined basis offering 600 to 800 girls on some nights, plus more large soapies on New Petchburi Road,

[Wolvenvacht]

You're analogy is not very good.

Name major movies in the last 10 to 15 years shown in american theaters (out of the 200 to 300 introduced each year) where the central focus has been on Bangkok itself. Off the cuff, I can only think of two: (the very low box office) BANGKOK DANGEROUS and then of course HANGOVER 2, with the first one opening with Nicolas Cage calling the city "dirty and dangerous" but otherwise being somewhat positive in that it at least puts out a reasonably accurate representation of a G clubDid Las Vegas conferences and gambling take a dive after HANGOVER 1? I think there are more movies that show Las Vegas in a bad light than there are movies that show Bangkok as a dangerous place.

I think the effect of movies on tourism is next to nothing.

[Mouse1]

Did Las Vegas conferences and gambling take a dive after HANGOVER 1? I think there are more movies that show Las Vegas in a bad light than there are movies that show Bangkok as a dangerous place.

I think the effect of movies on tourism is next to nothing.You can just imagine the conversation:

'Darling, where shall we go for our annual vacation this year? '

'Somewhere with sun, beaches, culture, food. How about Thailand? '

'Great idea, honey, the kids will love it, and we'll have a great time too in the Land of Smiles'.

'No, wait, I forgot, remember that movie Hangover? I reckon that was a pretty realistic description of one of the tourism capitals of the world. And damn, some of the ladies have got testicles! '

'Well that would ruin my holiday. Honey, there is no way we are going there! '

I have friends who are off to Thailand next week and aren't bothered by the ongoing troubles, let alone a crap frat-pack movie.

[Fast Eddie 48]

You can just imagine the conversation:

'Darling, where shall we go for our annual vacation this year? '

'Somewhere with sun, beaches, culture, food. How about Thailand? '

'Great idea, honey, the kids will love it, and we'll have a great time too in the Land of Smiles'.

'No, wait, I forgot, remember that movie Hangover? I reckon that was a pretty realistic description of one of the tourism capitals of the world. And damn, some of the ladies have got testicles! '

'Well that would ruin my holiday. Honey, there is no way we are going there! '

I have friends who are off to Thailand next week and aren't bothered by the ongoing troubles, let alone a crap frat-pack movie.To Mouse 1

I been going to Bangkok 2 time a yr for over 20 yr from the US and I was there few week ago during the shut down and have a good time more girl avalible not many monger, I don't think Bangkok is a dangerous city there are worst crime city in asia like Manila or Jarkata, I don't why anyone will skip Bangkok or Thailand because of a dumb movie.

Fast Eddie 48.

Fast Eddie 48

[Mouse1]

To Mouse 1

I been going to Bangkok 2 time a yr for over 20 yr from the US and I was there few week ago during the shut down and have a good time more girl avalible not many monger, I don't think Bangkok is a dangerous city there are worst crime city in asia like Manila or Jarkata, I don't why anyone will skip Bangkok or Thailand because of a dumb movie.

Fast Eddie 48.

Fast Eddie 48Yea! I'm with you, Eddie. I'm out to BKK in a couple of weeks, catching up with my girl. She says it's boring in Bangkok at the moment. I'll take her a copy of 'Hangover 2' to explain why it's so quiet. LOL.

[Western787]

You can just imagine the conversation:

'Darling, where shall we go for our annual vacation this year? '

'Somewhere with sun, beaches, culture, food. How about Thailand? '

'Great idea, honey, the kids will love it, and we'll have a great time too in the Land of Smiles'.

'No, wait, I forgot, remember that movie Hangover? I reckon that was a pretty realistic description of one of the tourism capitals of the world. And damn, some of the ladies have got testicles! '

'Well that would ruin my holiday. Honey, there is no way we are going there! '

I have friends who are off to Thailand next week and aren't bothered by the ongoing troubles, let alone a crap frat-pack movie.Thanks to NGO's and their phony "trafficking" claims and stats, I normally only use the term "tourists" but in fact I was only referring to (potential) SEX tourists.

In the states at least I'd say for every guy actually going to Bangkok, there are 99 guys thinking about going and probably 98 will never go, and these are the same types who are going to see a movie like HANGOVER 2

[Western787]

Yea! I'm with you, Eddie. I'm out to BKK in a couple of weeks, catching up with my girl. She says it's boring in Bangkok at the moment. I'll take her a copy of 'Hangover 2' to explain why it's so quiet. LOL.My OP (which was contained in ONE post) on the HANGOVER 2 issue in fact explicitly referred to a few years back and obviously is a minor issue relative to what is happening now.

As I've alluded to in probably a dozen posts. Bangkok tourism including sex tourism has been hit very hard by the political unrest, particularly as it concerns the convention business which I accurately referred to as having been "decimated" perhaps down 70% and not only are these often big spending types, but the decision to cancel some of these junkets it out of their hands, instead being made by corporate level risk managers. So its not likely to change anytime soon for that group.

Now individual mongers will adjust plans to some degree as they realize perhaps the risk (more bad news today of course) is worth taking, so might be a mitigating factor

[Mouse1]

Thanks to NGO's and their phony "trafficking" claims and stats, I normally only use the term "tourists" but in fact I was only referring to (potential) SEX tourists.

In the states at least I'd say for every guy actually going to Bangkok, there are 99 guys thinking about going and probably 98 will never go, and these are the same types who are going to see a movie like HANGOVER 2I really didn't want my 1000th post to be be a niggling criticism of another poster. You actually wrote:


Another (and a plus for those that understand Bangkok) mega factor a few years back was that movie HANGOVER PART 2 which I believe has caused many westerners to avoid Bangkok.Nothing about tourists or sex tourists. Anyway, I'll agree with your last point. There may be some people wavering over their comfort zone, and perhaps some stories will put them off. Let's move on.

[Phordphan]

Perhaps they were, but as you stated they were not that easy to meet, and I think 15 years ago there was far more of a stigma associated with dating a Western dude. The gal was automatically assumed to be a working girl. Now that is not the case.

Most of the younger guys I know here would never consider paying outright for sex. Strange.They still are, to some degree. Current GF, and others I've dated, have never darkened the door of a naughty bar. Yet, when seen with me, or some other farang, some folks automatically assume they're bar girls. I've asked about this and they always say something to the effect of they don't care what those people think. They don't know the truth.

So, maybe societal pressure isn't what it once was. Or maybe some women just learned to stand up to it.

[Phordphan]

Thanks to NGO's and their phony "trafficking" claims and stats, I normally only use the term "tourists" but in fact I was only referring to (potential) SEX tourists.

In the states at least I'd say for every guy actually going to Bangkok, there are 99 guys thinking about going and probably 98 will never go, and these are the same types who are going to see a movie like HANGOVER 2I don't know about the other, but Hangover 2 absolutely ruined State Tower and SkyBar. The drinks were never very good, and way overpriced, but it was a nice place to hang out and admire the city. Now, post-movie, the place tends to be a madhouse. A bazillion tourists crowded around the bar paying $20 for a shitty cocktail and ooh-ing and ahh-ing about being in the same spot as Paul Giamatti (note the matte paintings in many of the scenes. A lot of it wasn't even shot in the bar).

[Goatscrot]

They still are, to some degree. Current GF, and others I've dated, have never darkened the door of a naughty bar. Yet, when seen with me, or some other farang, some folks automatically assume they're bar girls. I've asked about this and they always say something to the effect of they don't care what those people think. They don't know the truth.

So, maybe societal pressure isn't what it once was. Or maybe some women just learned to stand up to it.I really don't think it is as bad as it was a decade ago. One of the reasons is there are so many foreigners here now, not to mention all the young ones.

Methinks now days if a gal is not dressed like a hooker and if the age difference is not so great, the assumptions are not as quick.

[Betong]

Methinks now days if a gal is not dressed like a hooker and if the age difference is not so great, the assumptions are not as quick.I think that's very true. For a few years now it's been quite fashionable among the middle classes to have a farang bf / husband. But of course it has to be a 'respectable' one, and the Thais are very quick (and usually pretty accurate) to judge such things on the basis of grooming, clothes, age etc.

It certainly wasn't that way here back when I was in my 20s and 30s. Thailand was a more conservative place and farang men were not viewed all that favorably. But I guess I ought to be grateful, as otherwise I might not have had all these years of interesting adventures in this hobby of ours.

[Kerrstar]

To suggest one cannot tell the difference between ladyboys and real women is complete nonsense, yet people believe this.Not sure I agree with this after having a colleague from Scotland come to Singapore. We were out drinking at Club Romeos in OT and he started chatting up a ladyboy. He was totally shocked as he couldn't pick that he / she wasn't a real women. This was also after we told him. That the in the bar the blonde Russian dancers are girls and the 6' 2" Thai's are ladyboys! Even sadder was that we went back the following night and he made the same mistake!

[Dornyone]

Yea! I'm with you, Eddie. I'm out to BKK in a couple of weeks, catching up with my girl. She says it's boring in Bangkok at the moment. I'll take her a copy of 'Hangover 2' to explain why it's so quiet. LOL.Better yet send her this link, I don't think that guy found it boring in the least! http://vidmax.com/video/67887--GRAPHIC-Thai-protester-is-shot-in-the-head-by-police

These are not blanks they're firing guys, stay clear of the protests.

That having been said, looking fwd to my trip in early March!

[Hioctane]

I've yet to make my trip to Bangkok but I've got alot of experience in the fkk's of Germany and I'll say one thing about "stunners". Alone, they command everybody's attention. In a group of likewise stunning women their view of themselves starts competing against the others. And many guys just like to look, turning down stunners left and right. And when a girl is turned down in favor of another, doubts start to creep in. I imagine go-go bars are much like the fkk clubs. My preference is much different from the next guy, the girls I'm attracted to are usually a notch below stunner level but have the attributes I prefer. I rarely go for the girls who think too highly of themselves since service usually goes down as the looks go up. There's something to be said about grabbing an attractive girl after she's been turned down by ten guys.Looks and service do not go hand in hand. I've known guys that won't pick the hottest chick for your exact reasoning. It's a false assumption. There are stunners with great service and stunners with lousy service. Just as there are average chicks with great service and some with lousy. Case in point. I was at a FKK once. I motto is to always pick the stunner all things being equal (pricewise). I did a stunner, great service. Later that night, I was watching this slightly above average girl (not stunner level) go with one guy after another. I had to have her. When she is alone, I go up to talk to her. She ignores me. The stunner chick walks over and says "hey, he's talking to you." The above average chick continues to ignore me. I tell the stunner,"fuck her, let's go." Like the saying goes. You won't know until you try!

[Mouse1]

Better yet send her this link, I don't think that guy found it boring in the least!

http://vidmax.com/video/67887--GRAPHIC-Thai-protester-is-shot-in-the-head-by-police

These are not blanks they're firing guys, stay clear of the protests.

That having been said, looking fwd to my trip in early March!Point taken. I plan to stay well away from men with guns and pointy sticks.

[Hioctane]

Guys,

This will be my virgin trip to Thailand. I have a buddy who's been to Thailand before and loves it. He suggests that I skip Bangkok due to the political unrest and head straight for Pattaya. Being my virgin trip, I would like to spend at least a couple of days here. What do you guys think? Are the monger areas safe? What should I avoid?

[Mooris7]

Guys,

This will be my virgin trip to Thailand. I have a buddy who's been to Thailand before and loves it. He suggests that I skip Bangkok due to the political unrest and head straight for Pattaya. Being my virgin trip, I would like to spend at least a couple of days here. What do you guys think? Are the monger areas safe? What should I avoid?I live here a the it is business as usual everywhere. In fact because it is a little slow there are some great pickings and deals to be had.

[Mooris7]

Guys business is as usual here in Bangkok. I have had some great times recently at Nana plaza. 3000 LT is what I have been paying. Usually the girl does not leave until after lunch the next day. I stay away from the rainbows and Barracas since the girls seem to only want ST for 2500. If you go to some of the smaller go go's in Nana and Soi cowboy you will find some gems for sure. Climax is still going strong with some great music and a good selection of FL's to chose from after midnight. Insomnia near Soi 12 has been renamed but I forget what the new name is very slow and boring now. Mixx club is also still going strong with about an average of 800 people or more each night with plenty of girls working. So don't listen to anyone who tells you to stay away because of the protests. It is the best time to be in BKK for a monger.

[Phordphan]

Guys,

This will be my virgin trip to Thailand. I have a buddy who's been to Thailand before and loves it. He suggests that I skip Bangkok due to the political unrest and head straight for Pattaya. Being my virgin trip, I would like to spend at least a couple of days here. What do you guys think? Are the monger areas safe? What should I avoid?Does your friend have a pair of cojones? Man, I think some travelers are bigger pussies than the ones they come to Thailand to chase.

I was in BKK over Songkran. 2009 (?) , when the whole red shirt thing blew up. The ongoing protests are nothing like those, and even then only a small fraction of the town was affected. Just avoid the protests, go about your business and don't get involved. You'll be fine.

[Phordphan]

I really don't think it is as bad as it was a decade ago. One of the reasons is there are so many foreigners here now, not to mention all the young ones.

Methinks now days if a gal is not dressed like a hooker and if the age difference is not so great, the assumptions are not as quick.Yes, I think so. Current GF takes great pains to never dress in anything remotely resembling a bar girl. She likes to wear jeans, but will rarely do so because the standard BG uniform is jeans and some sort of tight blouse or top.

[A Guy 373]

Guys,

This will be my virgin trip to Thailand. I have a buddy who's been to Thailand before and loves it. He suggests that I skip Bangkok due to the political unrest and head straight for Pattaya. Being my virgin trip, I would like to spend at least a couple of days here. What do you guys think? Are the monger areas safe? What should I avoid?I just returned from Bangkok. I was there from early January until the end of last week. The protests are just irritating and make it more difficult to get around but it still can be done. Soi 4 and Nana are not affected at all. I stayed near Soi 4 and was fine. I would not let this political mess stop you from going to Bangkok.

Do though, stay away from the protesting crowds as there has been violence and you won't want to be caught up in it. And don't wear a red or yellow shirt.

[Wandere]

Please advise if Taxis are easily available to commute from airport to city and vice a versa.

I am planning short trip on the next week end to Bangkok, and am asking, is the business as usual or protestors are disrupting the visits.

Ciao!

[Pita123]

Please advise if Taxis are easily available to commute from airport to city and vice a versa.

I am planning short trip on the next week end to Bangkok, and am asking, is the business as usual or protestors are disrupting the visits.

Ciao!Same as usual, but it depends where you are staying.

[Dinghy]

You can buy ED drugs at a lot of Pharmacies. One I used is on Sukhumvit near Soi 4. If you are on Soi 4 and walking towards Sukhumvit turn right and it will be within a few steps on the right. You have to be looking for it as it may not be so obvious.

I do not believe there are any problems with bringing ED drugs to Thailand. Taking them home without a prescription could get you in deep sh*t.

Good luckWell, IF you are "older" you might be taking some quantity of pills anyway. While I've NEVER been shook down entering the US, I keep my "ordinary" pills in plastic pill boxes (that I get free from Safeway or other grocers). One "different pill per compartment" wouldn't even draw attention (I take an extra week's supply anyway for emergencies) While Rush Limpdick got shit for hauling Vitamin V (no idea of what quantity set them off, though) , the "average guy" just gets ignored. The Indian version isn't even BLUE (some of them, anyway)

By the way. NOT THIS FORUM. But do NOT buy ED drugs in CAMBODIA. 100% lately are highly skilled CHINESE COPIES. Might as well have been CORN STARCH

[Western787]

Please advise if Taxis are easily available to commute from airport to city and vice a versa.

I am planning short trip on the next week end to Bangkok, and am asking, is the business as usual or protestors are disrupting the visits.

Ciao!\

Unless its 3 AM or something, IMHO the Skytrain is always the best option.

But as someone said, the amount of disruption one will face largely depends upon where you stay

As the saying goes "Thais always protect the *****houses". So things for example around (Soi 4) Nana Plaza area have been running smoothly

So as the protests continue, that makes Soi 11 hotels a good choice.

Or one you can always stay on Soi 4 itself, as other than an occasional parade marching by on Sukuhumvit, you wouldn't know there is a problem, so Nana Hotel despite its "Lobby of Shame" is a good selection, and some girls actually think its a somewhat posh hotel.

Soi 7/1 is a good area to stay cheap with no problems related to the protest, but of course if the day of the working girl crackdown ever arrives, all persons in or around Soi 7/1 would be the first to be rounded up and sent to jail.

Note despite the huge mess of the encampments at Soi 21, adjacent Soi Cowboy still manages to function even thought the west entrance is effectively not functioning.

Also it should be pointed out that at the giant Soapies in Rachatcha, other than the lack of customers, one would never know there are protests.

[Wolvenvacht]

Or one you can always stay on Soi 4 itself, as other than an occasional parade marching by on Sukuhumvit, you wouldn't know there is a problem, so Nana Hotel despite its "Lobby of Shame" is a good selection, and some girls actually think its a somewhat posh hotel.Oh my Buddha, Nana Hotel is a posh hotel? It is a dump. I stayed there exactly one night and would never dare to bring a girl to such a place.

[El Frances]

Guys business is as usual here in Bangkok. I have had some great times recently at Nana plaza. 3000 LT is what I have been paying. Usually the girl does not leave until after lunch the next day. I stay away from the rainbows and Barracas since the girls seem to only want ST for 2500. If you go to some of the smaller go go's in Nana and Soi cowboy you will find some gems for sure. Climax is still going strong with some great music and a good selection of FL's to chose from after midnight. Insomnia near Soi 12 has been renamed but I forget what the new name is very slow and boring now. Mixx club is also still going strong with about an average of 800 people or more each night with plenty of girls working. So don't listen to anyone who tells you to stay away because of the protests. It is the best time to be in BKK for a monger.I agree. Bangkok is a buyer's market and girls in beer bars and gogos are eager to get customers. Climax is very irregular and seems to quickly turn into sausage party (translate: more guys than girls) , so I wouldn't really recommend it (unless you are into girls in their 30s). The FL market in the street is also not bad. A few gems for 1000 ST around nana parking lot or in sukh. But make sure you are able to distinguish between ladyboys and real girls. I also talked with some black FLs in sukh (did not pick up, I don't go to Asia to fuck African girls) , and have been surprised by the fact that some of them are quite educated and nice to talk with.

[Dkooau]

Haven't been to Nana plaza and Soi cowboy as yet. How does these bars work. All the girls are available to out-call. I'm not intrested in spending nights there just wanted to pickup couple of girls and go back. Can you please give me any tips.

Also I've asked this question before as well. Are there any up market clubs or pubs that I can pick up girls in Bangkok.

Like Brix, Singapore and BATS, Jakarta.

Thanks in advance

[Western787]

Oh my Buddha, Nana Hotel is a posh hotel? It is a dump. I stayed there exactly one night and would never dare to bring a girl to such a place.Unless you are dealing with Hi So party girls, whether you take them to Nana Hotel or The Shangra La, its generally not going to matter much one way or the other. Some Thai working girls actually do see Nana Hotel as kind of posh.

[PanMan1]

I'm an occasional traveler to Bangkok, thought I'd post my recent experiences at Dr. BJs and Eden (I'm hitting up the massage parlors on my next time through in a few weeks).

Been to Dr. BJs several times before, always good service for the price. Got a "nurse" for 700. I've never seen a difference in looks or skill from the 1000 ones or 700 ones, if anyone knows I'm all ears. I'm guessing the lower prices ones are just willing to take a smaller cut in the hopes to get more business. EE looked good, but I went with another girl of some number I can't remember because they take it right off maybe 2 or 8. I'll prob go back and sample EE another time. There was a lot of girls working, at least 15, at least half good enough quality. All small to medium boobs.

Went to the room / cubby, got cleaned up by her. She takes the top off but not the bottom. Gives ok BBBJCIM with swallow. Keeps going on it afterwards, we talk for a minute or so, she asks if she can go again, I say ok. Long good BJ this time, lots of hand and DT, ball licking, playing with her boobies. After a while, second pop, swallow again. She was very happy and enthusiastic the whole time. Clean up, pay the 700 and get out. Would repeat, like I said, EE looked pretty good and I'll probably try her next time.

[IamJohnGalt]

Unless you are dealing with Hi So party girls, whether you take them to Nana Hotel or The Shangra La, its generally not going to matter much one way or the other. Some Thai working girls actually do see Nana Hotel as kind of posh.But you might be more comfortable a bit down soi nana at the Royal Ivory or the Ibis. Both are guest friendly and quiet for quality sleep when you need it.

[Western787]

Haven't been to Nana plaza and Soi cowboy as yet. How does these bars work. All the girls are available to out-call. I'm not intrested in spending nights there just wanted to pickup couple of girls and go back. Can you please give me any tips.

Also I've asked this question before as well. Are there any up market clubs or pubs that I can pick up girls in Bangkok.

Like Brix, Singapore and BATS, Jakarta.

Thanks in advanceIn regard to Go Go's as it concerns Falangs, except for the Coyote bars (mostly in Soi Cowboy) and a few other places, the general rule is that yes, all the girls are available for takeout. However its not just "call out a number" so you will generally need some kind of positive feedback from the dancer on stage, such as positive eye contact AND ideally with her smiling ever so slightly - which some girls have turned into an art making a (slight) fake smile look real. While their standards are not very high, dancers can and do at times exercise discretion as to which customers they are willing to bar fine.

Now some guys just call them down from the stage for a ladydrink first and then figure it out. That's a slightly different issue. Personally I believe if you're going to do the ladydrink thing first, one should only request it when the girl is hanging between dancer sets, otherwise IMHO if you're calling them down from the stage JUST for the ladydrink and to scope them out, it seems a bit unfair to me if you don't subsequently actually barfine them.

As for upmarket (among other places) Spasso's at the Hyatt in Siam has FL's, but Spasso's and other "up market" places generally are all very late night early AM spots. The market is different from Singapore, as the venues for picking up are very expansive. Even in (no Go Go) regular bars which open at 10 AM one may ocassionally find fairly hot take out girls, although more frequently in the late afternoon or early evening period of time

[PanMan1]

Follow up to my last post. Been to Eden several times as well. I think its a pretty good deal for the price if you want two ladies. Service and looks have gone downhill in my opinion, but still worthwhile, I've found you never really know which lady will be into it that particular day and which won't, especially whether or not her usual partner is with her to make it easier for them. Recommending girls here is hard because of that, so I'm not too apt to do it. Though on a previous session,"Som"? Was particularly good. Anyways getting to the point.

No real lookers, mostly 30s with moderate bodies, no big boobs or anything unique. Choose one girl from the left side of the line, she choose another from the other side, they seemed to indicate that they were both somewhat new to Eden, or it was lost in translation. Neither are on the website. Both mid-30s. 7s. Prep and show took a fairly long time. 15-20 minutes or so before we started the real action.

Go through the normal motions, since I've been here a few times I think its best to simply tell the girls what you want instead of letting them script it out completely. Plenty of DFK, nipple sucking (on me as well) , they love doing the rimjobs for some reason. BBBJCIM, A+, whatever positions I want, whenever I wanted it, they do not stop pleasing you until you tell them to stop. The one with better english told me that the other one loves eating pussy, so the one with good english was getting a lot of oral from her during the session, was fun to see. PSE type places, though the girls were not one of the better sets I've had from Eden, as sometimes its wild.

The girl that did A+ told me she enjoys it over regular sex, and thats why she is on that side of the line, not to get more customers. I've heard the same thing from several of the other A+ girls there as well, and they generally show it during the session. I'd say you have a pretty good guarantee of a fine A+ session with any of the ladies at Eden. I've yet to have an Eden session where the girls were not into the lesbian thing and where the A+ girl was not insistent about multiple A+ sessions.

I'm sure I'll repeat Eden in the future, even though it tends to be pretty variable.

[Western787]

Pretty good real time video of Nana Plaza. Now I wish he'd skip the LB bars, but otherwise pretty good. He's apparently using a cell phone (with one of the spy cam apps) Originally I believed he had it in his shirt pocket but when he is leaving Mandarin (2nd floor club) you can see in the mirror and he has some kind of strap or something on. Note in BILL BOARD CLUB (with turnstyle stage and hot tub) on 3rd floor, girl actually asks him about the phone. Note the confusion when he encounters in Fantasia what appears to be a Coyote dancing on stage (facing the door) and the guy then asks whether the girls there are "real" or not. Then the girl at the door (thinking he's looking for LB's) directs him next door.

[Monster4057]

Hi guys,

I am coming to Thailand from March 7th to 9th.

I am thinking of staying in Soi 11 President Solitaire.

Please tell if it is away from the protest area.

[Western787]

Nana video referred to below: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OgLr7U0mUw

[Member #4263]

I want to thank all those forum members who talked me out of going to Patpong, seriously thank you.

I checked quite a few things, read a lot of reports on Patpong nightlife and some plenty of YouTube videos.

All I can say is that the reviews were bad enough with some fellow W. Europeans and Americans talking about the infamous sex show scams, pin pong scams with bills of 3,100 baht for what was supposed to be 300 baht.

What did it for me were the videos of people being hassled to go into these places, stalked for 10 minutes and quite simply. The place itself.

I mean King's Castle and the likes look like they're seriously falling apart and need a major uplift. It seems to me that the place has been abandoned and unchanged since the early 1980's am I wrong? Soi and Nana look so much better in pictures and videos and seem to be getting better as years go by (seen some past pictures of how Tilac, Baccara etc. Looked).

What is actually shocking for me is to read that a minority of people say their favourite bar is not in Nana and Soi, but Patpong!

Black Pagoda and Bada Bing are the ones mentioned that apparently don't have ladyboys. Seriously? Black Pagoda and Bada Bing? I checked the website for BP and the girls looked really, really spent (old and way past their prime). I don't see anything fresh in Patpong.

I read that it's the tourist scams that causes tourists to stay away from Patpong. I thought I should pay my respects to what is (and correct me if I'm wrong)"the oldest redlight district in Bangkok", but I've officially cancelled my plans to be in Silom for such a sorry spectacle. I actually wanted to vomit my lunch a few hours ago seeing what Patpong was like.

"the oldest redlight district in Bangkok" certainly looks old.

[Western787]

Hi guys,

I am coming to Thailand from March 7th to 9th.

I am thinking of staying in Soi 11 President Solitaire.

Please tell if it is away from the protest area.Its not near the protest area itself, but of course Soi 11 itself is operating at a reduced level of business and tourist activity than would otherwise be occurring in high season. If the protests continue into summer, it would seem some of the regular (in other words excluding night mobile bars and street food vendors) businesses could fail. It will all depend on what kind of financial cushion they have for bad times

[Member #4263]

Nana video referred to below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OgLr7U0mUwThe video is freaking beautiful for a newbie like me who'll be staying in Nana next month for the first time in BKK!

However, I did my homework like you and I'm a little scared he actually actively looked for ladyboys! I know already that Cascade, Temptations and Casanova are ladyboy bars.

Tell me Wes, are all the girls / mamasans as friendly as what we see on video all the time? I wish I could do what he did, but my smartphone is too big!

Beautiful video and helpful video. It brings a smile on my face that I chose the superiro redlight district to be in compared to Soi and Patpong.

Thanks for sharing Wes!

[Western787]

The video is freaking beautiful for a newbie like me who'll be staying in Nana next month for the first time in BKK!

However, I did my homework like you and I'm a little scared he actually actively looked for ladyboys! I know already that Cascade, Temptations and Casanova are ladyboy bars.

Tell me Wes, are all the girls / mamasans as friendly as what we see on video all the time? I wish I could do what he did, but my smartphone is too big!

Beautiful video and helpful video. It brings a smile on my face that I chose the superiro redlight district to be in compared to Soi and Patpong.

Thanks for sharing Wes!Mamasans in general, while they usually have a rough edge, are in fact quite friendly overall. When things are slow they resort to pointing (to a specific dancer on stage, then back to you, followed by a pelvic thrust) OR the "you're just a cheap bastard" hand gesture which is a sort of joke anyways but can quickly refuted by tipping them a 20 baht note. When things get even slower, certain ones have been known to start "humping" customers rigth at their seats. So beside from being pimps they are entertainers. Rainbow 1 often has a very short mamasan that moonwalks and if you give her a 20 baht note or better a 100 baht not she will go into high gear and better than Michael Jackson would do.

I think the videographer is playing up the befuddled angle a bit. Note the video is being run in real time. So he's trying to fit in as many clubs as possible and i guess show the range of clubs, but he had to have trial run this thing ahead of time, so he would know what bars to avoid, so one has to wonder what he is looking for, but in any case it would have been better to skip the LB bars and gotten in Rainbow 1. 2. And 3 and perhaps a better look in Rainbow 4.

Despite all the hype about LB's in Nana Plaza and Soi 4, and despite them being 100 times more aggressive than real girls, and also relentlessly prancing up and down the Soi each night after 10 pm, they rarely seem ever to get customers and this includes their daily (idiotic) late night assault on the Nana Plaza exit, where they harass guys exiting the Plaza. Same at Thermae Coffee on Sukumuvit between Soi 13 and Soi 15 which actually bans them from the club, yet they still harass customers exiting every night.

The regular clubs the video guy went to were as follows: Spankies, Angelwitch, Rainbow 4, Mandarin (2nd floor club), Mandarin (3rd floor Club), Fantasia, Vegas, and BILLboard.

Unrelated to the video technique per se, but just for general information, guys that scope out clubs in 10 seconds and walk out never really can get a good inventory of what's available,, unless they've been in the club many times before. It takes an hour or two at each club and one has to go different days and different hours and invest in a drink or two. This is also true for the 8 to 10 major pool bars on Soi 4 also. Also new girls are constantly being hired by clubs. There are well over a 1000 or 2000 girls working in Nana Plaza and on Soi 4 (not even counting street girls and massage parlors) and the 60 to 90 baht Pool bar min investment or 150 or so Go Go investment in the drink is well worth it, as it gives you the hang time to figure places out. In the pool bars as an example, the morning girls and/or afternoon girls can be quite different than lets say night girls in certain venues.. so going different times is very important for guys looking for hot girls..

If a guy is a gentleman and not a slob or a drunk, he's going to find Thai girls very friendly. Bar girls (by business necessity) can and will often push up the BS meter, but once you discount what they tell you, you will often see pretty decent and interesting girls

[Member #4263]

Mamasans in general, while they usually have a rough edge, are in fact quite friendly overall. When things are slow they resort to pointing (to a specific dancer on stage, then back to you, followed by a pelvic thrust) OR the "you're just a cheap bastard" hand gesture which is a sort of joke anyways but can quickly refuted by tipping them a 20 baht note. When things get even slower, certain ones have been known to start "humping" customers rigth at their seats. So beside from being pimps they are entertainers. Rainbow 1 often has a very short mamasan that moonwalks and if you give her a 20 baht note or better a 100 baht not she will go into high gear and better than Michael Jackson would do.

I think the videographer is playing up the befuddled angle a bit. Note the video is being run in real time. So he's trying to fit in as many clubs as possible and I guess show the range of clubs, but he had to have trial run this thing ahead of time, so he would know what bars to avoid, so one has to wonder what he is looking for, but in any case it would have been better to skip the LB bars and gotten in Rainbow 1. 2. And 3 and perhaps a better look in Rainbow 4...Thanks for the excellent info Wes!

Also, it's a good thing you mention that 10 secs is really not enough to judge a club.

On the other hand, I must say I'm quite disappointed about Angelwitch. I thought it was a mighty bar with hot coreography. These chicks at Angelwitch can barely dance and I probably did a much better job dancing in clubs a few years ago. I'm no pro, but I expected a bit more.

On the other hand, Spankys and Rainbow 4 in the video look exactly as I imagined them. .

Rainbow 4 girls look so, so hot!

Anyway, most of people will see what is closer to them. Although, I think Cowboy would be a more pleasant experience.

Everyone has different opinion on the hottest chicks with great attitudes, so I know MMMV.

However, which one is your personal favourite in Nana and Cowboy for girls and friendly mamasans?

Also, this is probably early in the night I assume? Am I right saying it's between 9-10?

P. S. If Mr. Polak who made the video knew what he was doing, there is no excuse for stopping at Cascade, Temptations and Casanova.

[Western787]

Thanks for the excellent info Wes!

Also, it's a good thing you mention that 10 secs is really not enough to judge a club.

On the other hand, I must say I'm quite disappointed about Angelwitch. I thought it was a mighty bar with hot coreography. These chicks at Angelwitch can barely dance and I probably did a much better job dancing in clubs a few years ago. I'm no pro, but I expected a bit more.

On the other hand, Spankys and Rainbow 4 in the video look exactly as I imagined them. .

Rainbow 4 girls look so, so hot!

Anyway, most of people will see what is closer to them. Although, I think Cowboy would be a more pleasant experience.

Everyone has different opinion on the hottest chicks with great attitudes, so I know MMMV.

However, which one is your personal favourite in Nana and Cowboy for girls and friendly mamasans?

Also, this is probably early in the night I assume? Am I right saying it's between 9-10?

P. S. If Mr. Polak who made the video knew what he was doing, there is no excuse for stopping at Cascade, Temptations and Casanova.Between 9 to 10 pm is a good rough guess give or take a 1/2 hour or so, and also perhaps a Fri or Sat because its fairly busy overall. The biggest giveaway that is probably 9 to 10 pm or thereabouts is the general absence of LB's (only one very obvious) near Nana parking lot, and none are bunching near the Nana Plaza exit with few or none seen prancing around in front of adjoining clubs on the Nana Plaza side, which generally starts toward 10 to 11 pm. Also not too many regular FL's directly in front of the Nana Hotel sign, although that can vary at times also. As for Go Go favorites I try to not have any, (or not show it in a club) otherwise they can get all possessive when you visit. In regard to dancing, except for Coyotes (who often dance the energetic G club dance style) the standard "dance" in Go Go's is often simply one step forward and then one step back or some variation, very minimal movement. In fact in Baccarra normally they cannot even do that (its usually just a wiggle) as they are far more tightly spaced than for example Rainbow 4 where each girl usually has a pole to hold

[Wolvenvacht]

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Anyway, most of people will see what is closer to them. Although, I think Cowboy would be a more pleasant experience.

Everyone has different opinion on the hottest chicks with great attitudes, so I know MMMV.

However, which one is your personal favourite in Nana and Cowboy for girls and friendly mamasans?Nana is not my favorite place: too chaotic.

In Soi Cowboy, whichever club I visit, I always end up in Suzie Wong and find my friend for the night there. Why? I think they have a nice line-up (but that is a matter of taste) ; their shows are well done; the music is not too loud; the atmosphere is relaxed and not pushy.

[Member #4263]

Nana video referred to below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OgLr7U0mUwIs there one similar to this for Soi Cowboy? Many videos on YouTube, but not something that shows you the bars one by one.

[Western787]

Nana is not my favorite place: too chaotic.

In Soi Cowboy, whichever club I visit, I always end up in Suzie Wong and find my friend for the night there. Why? I think they have a nice line-up (but that is a matter of taste) ; their shows are well done; the music is not too loud; the atmosphere is relaxed and not pushy.As it currently stands for many visitors, access to Soi Cowboy requires either huge detour routes or walking through encampments.

So the issue could be somewhat moot for many visitors.

In regards to Nana being "too chaotic", the biggest single problem with Nana is the LB issue, but most learn to block it all out very quickly making it a non issue. The video guy of course for whatever reason seemed to revel in it. Note in BILLboard he had the extremely cute Hot Tub Girl (on break) going all ga ga and flirty about the fact that he was only 29 years old, yet he wasn't particularly responsive.

While Soi Cowboy has some excellent clubs including Baccarra and others, many of the clubs have touts outside posing as dancers who in fact not only do not dance, but I don't think ever go in the club. In fact I am not even sure they are 18 years of age.

Soi 4 in addition to the Plaza also has a large number of (non Go Go) Bars with a variety of girls and they are open 15 plus hours per day. I don't see that as much in the Soi Cowboy area, nor do I see comparable happy hour pricing.

And there is no Nana Parking lot equivalent near Soi Cowboy, nor is there anything like the Soi 7 Beergarden nearby

Also I don't see many bargain price hotels around Soi Cowboy.

I would guess for the typical "tourist" arriving in town for a week or two, he still has a choice on any given night (from all sources combined) of at least 10, 000 different FS girls, but the protests have definitely complicated one's ability to move to and from the various venues and locales. So sometimes more focused approaches need to be considered..

[11Bravo]

I want to thank all those forum members who talked me out of going to Patpong, seriously thank you.

All I can say is that the reviews were bad enough with some fellow W. Europeans and Americans talking about the infamous sex show scams, pin pong scams with bills of 3, 100 baht for what was supposed to be 300 baht.Thing is, for those that DON'T know, Patpong is the only place they've heard of, and if you haven't visited, then you'll be told you've missed the "real" BKK (say those who've never been).

Best advice I got for visiting upstairs Patpong was 20 years ago, before my first BKK visit, from a knowledgable Thai hand: Take a guide. When I protested that I didn't know any guides, he replied (with a friendly roll of the eyes), "It's simple. Go to Nana (no rip off places) , find a girl you like, bar fine her, and have HER take you. She'll look out for your wallet (as it leaves more potential for her) , and she'll enjoy visiting the competition." I did, and she did, at one point dragging me left when the tout leading turned right, saying that it was suspicious he was leading us someplace else rather than directly upstairs. She made sure all the bills were legit in several upstairs bars, and I still remember her comment after seeing a "coke" show (empty and refill a coke bottle), "I'm never drinking coke again."

Perhaps no longer as easy with hourly rather than nightly rates, but still possible, and a fun and safe way to visit Patpong's upstairs, though I can't say if, these days, it's worth it.

[Member #4263]

Thing is, for those that DON'T Know, Patpong is the only Place they've heard of, and if you haven't visited, then you'll be told you've missed the "real" BKK (say those who've never been).

Best advice I got for visiting upstairs Patpong was 20 years ago, before my first BKK visit, from a knowledgable Thai hand: Take a guide. When I protested that I didn't know any guides, he replied (with a friendly roll of the eyes),"It's simple. Go to Nana (no rip off places) , find a girl you like, bar fine her, and have HER take you. She'll look out for your wallet (as it leaves more potential For her) , and she'll enjoy visiting the competition." I did, and she did, at one point dragging me left when the tout leading turned right, saying that it was suspicious he was leading us someplace else rather than directly upstairs. She made sure all the bills were legit in several upstairs bars, and I still Remember her comment after seeing a "coke" show (empty and refill a coke bottle),"I'm never drinking coke again."

Perhaps no longer as easy with hourly rather than nightly rates, but still possible, and a fun and safe way to visit Patpong's upstairs, though I can't say if, these days, it's worth it.Thank you for sharing the experience. However, I'm a little confused. Do you actually recommend Patpong for newbies (and in general) for the girls or not?

[Member #4263]

As it currently stands for many visitors, access to Soi Cowboy requires either huge detour routes or walking through encampments.

So the issue could be somewhat moot for many visitors.

In regards to Nana being "too chaotic", the biggest single problem with Nana is the LB issue, but most learn to block it all out very quickly making it a non issue. The video guy of course for whatever reason seemed to revel in it. Note in BILLboard he had the extremely cute Hot Tub Girl (on break) going all ga ga and flirty about the fact that he was only 29 years old, yet he wasn't particularly responsive.

While Soi Cowboy has some excellent clubs including Baccarra and others, many of the clubs have touts outside posing as dancers who in fact not...Wes, with regards to these touts who are not even going to be inside. I saw many videos, this one in particular:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgjnt6hOyjE

Shows many of them trying to drag the person in, but if all chicks were this hot then I would assume all the bars in Cowboy would be full every single day.

I also decided to keep away from the bars owned from the Persian fellow. Midnite, Sahara, Kiss, Rawhide, Rio, Deja-Vu and Spice Girls have a bad reputation.

http://www.wowasis.com/travelblog/?p=3770

Seems like they use touts like a spider web. Once the butterflies (tourists / foreigners) are caught (inside the club) , the spider (mamasan & bouncers) have a pretty easy time.

Seriously though, these things shouldn't be happening in Sukhumvit, so close to Terminal 21.

[Forever69]

Thing is, for those that DON'T Know, Patpong is the only Place they've heard of, and if you haven't visited, then you'll be told you've missed the "real" BKK (say those who've never been).

Perhaps no longer as easy with hourly rather than nightly rates, but still possible, and a fun and safe way to visit Patpong's upstairs, though I can't say if, these days, it's worth it.All the downstairs bars are ok as far as I know, it's just upstairs where its a bit iffy, but if you stick to the King's group, kings castle queens castle. You should be allright and actually it is pretty cheap albeit a bit raunchy.

Also no problem with star of light and kangaroo as you can read here in the forum.

[Duniawala]

.in regards to nana being "too chaotic", the biggest single problem with nana is the lb issue, but most learn to block it all out very quickly making it a non issue. the video guy of course for whatever reason seemed to revel in it. note in billboard he had the extremely cute hot tub girl (on break) going all ga ga and flirty about the fact that he was only 29 years old, yet he wasn't particularly responsive.can anyone explain why lbs are a huge issue. in all my visits to bkk (over40+) i have never been harassed by them. sure, once in a while they say hi and how and give "come hither" looks, but that cannot be classified as harassment. if so, that is a sign of extreme homophobia and paranoia. all one has to do is to give a smile and say no.

and tigercountry, it seems you have never visited bkk before. if so, just go and have a good time and stop looking over your shoulder. lbs are not going to tackle and [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you. and if you have doubts, just ask them.

[Mr Enternational]

Maybe they have a hard time withstanding the temptation.

[Member #4263]

can anyone explain why lbs are a huge issue. in all my visits to bkk (over40+) i have never been harassed by them. sure, once in a while they say hi and how and give "come hither" looks, but that cannot be classified as harassment. if so, that is a sign of extreme homophobia and paranoia. all one has to do is to give a smile and say no.

and tigercountry, it seems you have never visited bkk before. if so, just go and have a good time and stop looking over your shoulder. lbs are not going to tackle and [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you. and if you have doubts, just ask them.we all have difference tolerance levels. i come from a very conservative country that would never allow them to be so free. i'm just not used to have transsexuals around like you. everyone is culturally different.

[11Bravo]

Thank you for sharing the experience. However, I'm a little confused. Do you actually recommend Patpong for newbies (and in general) for the girls or not?As stated by Islandboy54, the downstairs bars are safe. It's the upstairs ones that can be of concern. For a downstairs visit, no "guide" needed. If you want to see Patpong shows (and those that have never been have CERTAINLY heard of them, will ask you if you've seen, and, if not, then say you missed out, even if they've never been) , then an upstairs visit would be required, with a "guide" recommended, so you don't have to be concerned about a "name" group or not. More along the lines of a "been there, done that" thing. I did it once, 20 years ago, and though I have been back to Patpong, haven't seen a show since. I've seen some nice looking ladies in Patpong, but it was never a favorite haunt, more of a place to take friends visiting as they'd all heard of it. Earlier, I preferred Nana; later on, Cowboy. It's just something some MIGHT want to see just to check off that item on the to-do list.

The exception is the Star of Light. That IS worth a trip in and of itself.

[Western787]

if all chicks were this hot then I would assume all the bars in Cowboy would be full every single day.Exactly, and its a deliberate deception done by certain owners of Soi Cowboy bars, and its exactly why they are used. Any video of Soi Cowboy will thus appear to show what (from a distance at least) look like G club quality 18 to 23 years of age girls, the inference being (as is typical in normal clubs) they are between dance sets and thus are ready to go back to the club presumptively available to be barfined, when in fact they are (barely legal if even that) young teens acting purely as touts. This can be easily confirmed once you visit Soi Cowboy.

The issue is certainly relevant to a discussion of the merits of Soi Cowboy vs Nana. For example when you see various hotties hanging outside of Rainbow 4 in Nana Plaza, THOSE girls are available and most in fact anxious to be barfined, and unless a guy's a drunk or a slob, 99% of the time he will be able to take them ST to his hotel if its nearby or a short term room if not.

As I said in regard to many Soi Cowboy girls hanging outside, many of these girls are not even "Coyotes" which by definition are girls that DANCE but don't normally (with some exceptions) barfine. In fairness to certain owners. some of the clubs in their sign do say "Coyote" club, so that's at least minimal fair notice

Now that said, there are plenty of hot girls in Soi Cowboy and Nana and all over, but its best to have a strategy to find the hot ones you like.

Some posters in various forums complain one needs a "game" now in Thailand and complain about alleged "ageism" and other issues. I guess they want it like the Phils or parts of DR where girls in destitute poverty living in a 3rd world hellhole just fall all over them. Yes, its a bit different in Bangkok which is now a world class city with many things to do other than to screw all day, but the tradeoff of being in such a great locale and city is yes hot women have more discretion and choices now and with P4P hotties the money they are earning often IS just shopping or fun money, but that said: the bottom line is P4P hotties are still everywhere and they are available for those that want them..

[Member #4263]

Exactly, and its a deliberate deception done by certain owners of Soi Cowboy bars, and its exactly why they are used. Any video of Soi Cowboy will thus appear to show what (from a distance at least) look like G club quality 18 to 23 years of age girls, the inference being (as is typical in normal clubs) they are between dance sets and thus are ready to go back to the club presumptively available to be barfined, when in fact they are (barely legal if even that) young teens acting purely as touts. This can be easily confirmed once you visit Soi Cowboy.

The issue is certainly relevant to a discussion of the merits of Soi Cowboy vs Nana. For example when you see various hotties hanging outside of Rainbow 4 in Nana Plaza, THOSE girls are available and most in fact anxious to be barfined, and unless a guy's a drunk or a slob. 99% of the time he will be able to take them ST to his hotel if its nearby or a short term room if not...Definitely "game" since some real hotties on R4 (right ones) and Baccara (upper floor ones) will only go with Japs as I've read. I'm sure age comes to play too if you're not Jap. Also, I have south Asian origins which is another blow, but worse if I was black (kinda funny since Soi Cowboy's first bar was owned by a black American) , but hey most of these working girls have never graduated from college, why would they care about the history of the place they work in?

At the same time, I've read that Japs get charged more in Go Go's since they can afford it. The famous davetheravebangkok 4 rule or 2-3-4 rule or 3 rule. 4-inch dick. 4-minute sex. 4,000baht.

I don't necessarily see the attention they get as being super positive either. Although, they do get their way on high-end soapies with no foreigner surcharge or even in tourist places like the grand palace and siam ocean world.

On the other hand, I must also accept and be happy that some of these places that cater exclusively to Japs, really are meant for them and not me. I mean, their idea of fun in a karaoke is totally different to my concept of 'fun'. Also, these Jap-only hotties may be eye candy, but they probably wouldn't be able to handle more than 4-minutes and bigger than 4-inches. I can't stand hot women who can't "give it all to me" (quoting "I was made for loving you" by Kiss).

Believe me, I've tried to enjoy sex with a hot (9 or 10) europeans who couldn't please me and hated it all the way. Thus, it's really not that much of a loss to foreigners.

The bottom line is (and I have learned this from countless mistakes and bitter tears shed in other areas of my life, not just mongering)

Do your homework and you'll be rewarded. If you plan ahead of time and get informed on scams, discrimination and all the subtle and not-so subtle things you will be prepared (most of the time) and know what to expect. There's no excuse for people being upset afterwards and saying they weren't warned of such things beforehand. The info is all there. All you have to do is read (perhaps preceded by some digging / researching).

Once you know the places or things to avoid, you'll also know which ones are right to the individual or 'you' and many more solutions will inevitably become open.

For instance, I'll go to go go bars to enjoy seeing hot women dancing and some shows I want to see (Angelwitch and Spankys). However, I know my chances of barfining a super hot Baccara / Rainbow 4 girl are 1/1000 or less. Fine by me, I already know places where I can find better looking women in MP's who will fuck me for the green, regardless. Adjusting is the key and as I once told Paul via PM, I firmly believe it should always be a fair business transaction. However, Thai girls today earn too much money today not to discriminate based on age and race. No problem, there is still much supply elsewhere where they will take you. .

P4P is going to keep growing. I highly doubt it'll decrease. One thing that does make me a little mad in Asia is the excessive tipping. It causes too much inflation and girls expectation increases. I'll make sure I keep things very controlled.

[Member #4263]

I also forgot to post this. It's an important quote from The Buddha. Thailand is a Theravada Buddhist country:

"In the end, only three things matter: how much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you".

I think the final sentence suits the mongering scene perfectly: "let go of things not meant for you" aka Jap traps and places / people that would discriminate against you since there are so many other choices around for P4P in BKK and elsewhere with even more attractive hotties.

[Newton York]

okay fellas, here's my report about my trip to bangkok. i'm usually at the prague section of this forum, i do stop by here to check things out once in a while, get some info and all that, and this being a forum i'm going to be blunt and i'm not going to hold back, i think some of you bigger fans of bangkok will want to destroy me after this, but i'll be fair in my review. i mean no place is perfect, and while bangkok was ok, i found its reputation as the mongering capital of the world to be somewhat exaggerated. i will post the financial info in dollars, somehow that makes it seem more cost effective. because when i think of how much it costs to monger here or in europe, whatever i experienced in bangkok, some good, and some bad, when it comes to the bad, considering how cheap it all was, it was okay then.

i got to say though, i did all i could to get a booking with goldie's, so much has been said about how great they are, but they just wouldn't fit me in their schedule. also, while i did manage to speak to the dude on the phone, i suspect that something i said may have put me on their shit list. i don't know why i assumed paul kaush was the owners husband, i remember reading somewhere here the name of goldie's husband and i just assumed it was him because paul kausch speaks a lot about goldies. the dude on the other line said something about the international sex guide, and mere hours later i get an email from them telling me they won't be able to accommodate me. sadly, i had already given them my real name, so that means i will never be able to use their services (since i'm on their shit-list) should i ever be in bangkok. which to be perfectly honest, i don't know if i'll ever go back to bangkok. while it was overall a good experience, because it's been so over-hyped, it just feels like it could have been better. other mongering destinations, you don't expect much to begin with, so it ends up being better. just sayin.

also, while it's all protesty violence and all now, i think it's apropos i post now because while i didn't know it, i was lucky to have showed up in bangkok right around the beginning of the protests (couple of months ago) , when all they did was just walk around all day in giant groups of people, before all the death and violent stuff. anyway, that being said, bangkok has made me more confused than ever before. while i had some of the worst mongering experiences in my life her, the average experiences i had were made ok by the fact that it's just cheaper in bangkok. everything is just cheaper. you'll read that one of my experiences was a total disaster, but at around $200 bucks, i can swing that. with something like 15 chicks over 8 days, the math works out. in other mongering destinations, especially europe, one mistake would be like $500 bucks easy. it's a tough call. do i want to come back here? i don't know fellas. some day maybe. some day. but back to prague again as soon as i have cash.

another thing, the way the thailand section has been split up, i wasn't sure if i should post my experiences separately, the soapies, the escorts, nana plaza, etc. to make things easier i decided to just put everything in this 'bangkok' section since that's where i was. so, on to day 1!

day 1.

arrived in bangkok, had some taxi problems, and soon to learn that taxis here are a little pain in the ass. when it comes to south east asia, i've only ever been to singapore, and my arrival here already made me miss the cleanliness and order of singapore, but you know what, i'm here for the chicks, so let's go. check in to the hotel, and first thing i do is call emmy, also known as jennyx, and boy did i regret it. she is who she is in the photos, but somehow just not as attractive. much like the taxis, i was to learn that this is quite a trend here. somehow the photos makes them look really good, but in real life, it's kinda not. don't get me wrong, as a seasoned monger myself, i know the game, and how it works with the photoshopping, but here in thailand it seems the photoshop is more extreme. either that, or thai chicks just aren't as attractive in general as their european counterparts. (i was soon to be made wrong on this part, because i saw some real hotties at nana plaza. the place she took me to was called rainbow 4 and i was to learn that this is the premier joint over there. but a very negative report to come soon. turns out super hot here means real crazy) anyways, she was reasonably friendly enough, but somewhat cold and distant. she showed me where nana plaza was, and that terminal 21 place, the sex itself was uneventful, she looked bored. while i made an initial booking of around 5 hours, i had her leave after around 4. since this way day 1 and i had arrived in the evening, and man was i jetlagged, i called it a day.

emmy (also known as jenny x). http://thaillandcompanion.com/

looks. 4.

attitude / delivery. 3.

cost. 230 dollars for 5 hours. worth it?. no.

recommended. please. no.

day 2.

with a spring in my step, i decided to go for the famous soapies, and where else but to emmanuelles. took the subway, and while there was only 5 or 6 girls on offer, they were nice looking. i took a chick who was smiling at me the whole time, now the mamasan was pushy but i just ignored her. took my time. anyway, the smiley chick was nice, but once in the room, she was still nice, but slighty more business like, i suppose this is how it works here. her tits were tiny, but she was pretty. she did this bathtub cleaning me thing, lasted for some time, if i remember i took her for 90 minutes? was it 2 hours? she was okay at the sex, rode me cowgirl, gave me a decent bbbj, at my age, and not taking my vitamins for this trip (i need to experiment on this one, i just wanted to know that i can still make things happen without pharmaceutical aid) , fucked her doggy and mish, but in the end still couldn't do it. she didn't rush me or anything, but she finished me by hand anyway. can't remember here tag number, so based on her performance, i'm reviewing the whole establishment then.

i dropped by nataree, not much going on in the day time. the papasan tried to convince me but the line up in the fish bowl looked ordinary at best. then took the train to ez massage. had yuri, now she must've been one of the few that actually looked better than her photos. nice big fake titties. she gave me a short bbbj, we did mish for a while. she was really cute though, this tiny little thing with big titties and braces. i like. the setup is like a lower end soapy i suppose. there's a shower but i had to shower myself, i'll soon learn that it depends on each girl if she wants to shower with you or not. the sex was okay i suppose. i remember a massage as well, but with so many massages over the course of the coming week, it all just faded into one big mess of massages.

now here's the part where i continue on about rainbow 4. because i was mesmerized with the bevy of beauties i saw the night emmy took me there, i knew i had to go back, and after a day's worth of soapies, i decided to spend the night at nana. rainbow 4 was packed, and i slowly learned the rules and system here. it's all pretty straightforward, barfine, you negotiate with the chick, etc. anyway this place was packed full of babes, now before i went in, i did have a peek in some of the other establishments nearby, and i could already tell that there was a substantial difference in quality of babes. the rainbow bars, all 4 of them are the ones with the most hotties. that being said, i suspect the chicks cost the most. over the night, some of the waitresses will try to get you to choose one, but just stand your ground, drink your beer, and ogle for as long as you want. on an iffy note, i did spot a chick that looked somewhat young. i'm not kidding fellas, i know there is the asian type young, and then there's just young that it's kinda worrying. she looked kinda out of place there. anyways, i spot another chick that looks like an asian version of lupe fuentes. i swear to god fellas, it coulda been her twin. i call her over and then she tells me she doesn't do long time, she only does short time and it's going to be 133 dollars (again, it's all in baht, i just did the conversion). i was like what? even a newbie like me over there knew something was up, so i tells her bye. i was soon to learn that indeed something was up, first up, most of the chicks will do long time, and then what she was asking for short time was on the pricey side, even for 11pm. turns out the later it gets, the cheaper it's supposed to be. she was hot, but not 133 dollars for a quickie hour hot. for that money, i'd rather bang me a czech girl, and trust me fellas the average in prague is around $100 dollars an hour. how am i supposed to live with myself if i paid more than that for a thai chick? look, some thai chicks are hot, but never czech hot. there was another super hot looking one dancing on stage, looked like the asian version of abella anderson, but i kept it cool, and then came my mistake for the night. this i will call big mistake number 1. anyways, 'bee' was her name and i forget her tag number. so she saunters over, cute smile and she's tiny. a very japanese type look to her, turns out a lot of the thai babes that can get away with looking japanese, will most certainly do. turns out them japanese guys in bangkok spend tons of cash on them. anyways, it's only my second night here, so i want to be young again, i tells her i'll barfine her, she says 5 to 6 hours (this is apparently 'long time'). it's midnight, so we go to a club with a live band. we dance, and stuff, and at my age with a young chick in tow, i do feel old, and instead of feeling young again, i just feel weird and out of place, the live band kinda sucked too. here's the kicker though. she has waaaaay too much to drink and is bat-shit insane drunk. we're talking slurred speech, can't walk straight drunk. there's 2 kinds of drunk people fellas. the ones that get sullen and quiet, and the ones that get angry and aggressive. guess which kind she was? holy shit, she cursed in thai all over the place, badgering strangers on the road. making me buy stuff for her. i was this close to just walking away, but i'm too much of a gentleman to do that, so i keep her company all the way back to my hotel where she promptly falls asleep. when i first met her she was one of the cutest things i've ever seen, now she was ugly as hell. i couldn't sleep at all, and at 8am i woke her up, and kicked her out. i remember seeing her dance on stage the other night, and i remember thinking to myself there's a glint of crazy in her eyes. shoulda listened to my gut instinct. i was to make this mistake for the second time, and this time it's the hint of crazy in a photo that i ignored. geez.

emmanuelles. http://www.emmanuelle-entertainment.com/

looks. the chicks i saw lined up were all between 7's and 9's.

attitude / delivery. eh, i felt like it was a 6 at best, but i'll give her 6. 5 for the bbbj.

cost. 106 dollars for 2 hours. worth it. yes, worth it to give this place a try.

recommended. only if you have time to drop by.

yuri at ez massage. http://ezmassagebkk.com/?model=yuri

looks. i'm a sucker for the tiny chicks, so a 7. 5.

attitude / delivery. 7.

cost. around 80 bucks (it's a no brainer man. 90 min for 80 bucks to bang a hot chick? hell yeah)

recommended. only if you have time to drop by.

bee at rainbow 4.

looks. started at 8, ended at 3.

attitude / delivery. 0.

cost. around 200 bucks for 5 hours. (this is with all the wine, food and stuff she made me buy. and this is at 2am fellas)

recommended. for the love of god, no! hell no! i felt sheepish and stupid too after the dancing at the club, really this stuff is for the young people fellas.

day 3.

with day 1 and 2 being as it was, while not an unmitigated disaster, i needed a sure thing. so with all the reports i've been reading on this place, i gave them a call. fiona came over and she was lovely. a sight to behold. she is just about the only other girl who matches her photo here. super nice looking. it was a bit embarrassing though, because with all the bookings i had made, and with the jetlag and change in timezones, i had completely forgotten my appointment with her. and with the events of the previous day with the crazy drunk rainbow 4 chick, the hotel woke me up with the news that a hot babe was coming up. anyways, fiona was very sweet, i had booked her for a solid day, so we went to eat at some shopping mall, the one with the aquarium, can't remember the name. we talked about her life, her job, etc. somehow she convinced me to go watch this really really bad thai movie. she enjoyed it immensely, while i wanted to kill myself. anyway, we go back to my hotel and while she was really hot and sweet, the sex left a little something to be desired. she doesn't seem to be into it. there was hardly any bbbj, and while i know at my age i can't really last long, especially without my vitamins, i was hoping for her to keep at me. i mean, she is an escort, and i did pay the day. wasn't much kissing either. got to a point where i asked her with other clients, does she do a second round? again, maybe it's me fellas. i'm too much of a gentleman. perhaps if i insisted, or if i was more of a douche about it, i might have gotten more from her, but even if you pay a girl, you still can't be douchy about it, so what can i say? at least she was sweet though. with the events of the last 3 days, i was exhausted, and just called it a day.

fiona at pure bangkok escort. http://purebangkokescorts.com/girls/fiona/

looks. 8 (yes, she does look like that fellas, but not as pale obviously)

attitude / delivery. 5 for the somewhat lackluster sex.

cost. $300 dollars for 10 hours (this supposedly pays for 3 shots, but i only got one with her. next time fellas, don't be so nice like me, insist on more and get your moneys worth)

recommended. if only for her looks and niceness, say you needed a chick to bring out for some fancy dinner.

day 4.

today was a definite improvement, and my first real lesson in thai mongering. sometimes, the less hot the chick, the better the performance. obviously, this is not always the case. just saying. diana, also known as honey can be found in 6 different escort sites. i booked her through bangkok hot escort. though the first time i found her photo was in another agency that she told me she didn't work for anymore. while not the best looking out there, there was something about her that made me drawn to her. a kind of honesty in her eyes. it's just like how you can spot crazy in someone's eyes, she had a kind of warmth in them peepers. and was i right. she was nice. in terms of performance, attitude, and overall experience she was the best on my entire trip. she was sweet, kind, naughty, sexy in her own way, good in bed. she's kinda cute, but she didn't have the best complexion on for that day, said something about being allergic to prawns, she just came back from a trip to pattaya or something, with some other dude i suppose. but she looked nice, gave me a nice kiss. i can't remember where we went to or even what we did on my first day with her. suffice it to say, the sex was good. she gave me a nice bathtub rub, drew out the session so it felt like i was being pampered, and she's good in the sense that she would every once in a while project herself into your future by making suggestions for 'next time'. i couldn't help myself so indeed i did get her for another day, and i'm sure she gets plenty of repeat business, but it gets even more interesting the next day when she makes me an offer i found difficult to refuse, but in the end i just had to refuse anyway. more out of laziness than anything else.

diana / jasmine / honey.

looks. 6 (she coulda been a 7 if not for the complexion issue)

attitude / delivery. 8.

cost. $300 dollars for 12 hours (yes, worth it. i got to cum twice, so all is good)

recommended. yes.

http://www.bangkokhappytime.com/images/25/25.html

http://www.erotikaqueens.com/#! diana / cu1q.

http://www.bangkokhotescort.com/gallery/33-honey/139

plus a host of other sites.

day 5.

out of ideas, and out of places, dazed and confused, i call diana's personal number, and paid her directly basically, sans agency, so she shows up and while we did do our best to try to get to the palace and other more touristy places, because since i'm bangkok i might as well try to visit some palaces and stuff. but lo and behold the place is in the grip of some kind of protesty revolution. from what i remember this was back in the early days of the protests, so the violence hadn't arrived yet, but still parts of the city were tough to get around, so she and i ended up at a mall called mbk i think it was. did some bowling, pool, and then back to my hotel for one last fuck session. or was it two. i do recall that i manage to cim with her on this one so that was nice. she made it like how come i didn't tell her i was going to blow, but i think she knew. it was sexy, it was nice. this day was interesting because it was the day that i was suppose to get bangkok gold, the very popular agency. but some kind of miscommunication led me to being on their blacklist. it's all weird really, but what can you do? it was around midnight after diana left that i thought i just needed one more bang before i call it a night, so back to nana, and i can't be sure now if it was rainbow 2 or 3, but a tiny little chick with huge implant titties called 'lek' caught my eye. she was cute, again in a japanese type way with the makeup and stuff, while she was more businesslike than i'd prefer, the sex was good. i lasted longer than i thought i could, even with the finish by hand, and i experienced the little 'motel' like place they have upstairs to do the deed. i can't remember the room price but it was cheap, and i got her for short time, so if i remember it was something like 90 bucks total. not bad at all really.

now, back to diana and her offer that was hard to resist. if anyone here has had her, odds are you guys were offered the same, sadly i did not partake. i just didn't feel too comfortable with the idea and the short notice of it all, the way she made it out like. i don't know fellas, to each his own. i mean, i really wanted to. in the heat of the moment and all, but i've been mongering long enough to know that you just got to play it right. if not for yourself then for all the mongers after you. i should keep this cryptic, just in case it's something she doesn't want to be too know for. but i suspect this being bangkok, it's common enough. let's all just be more vigilant, eh fellas?

diana / honey.

looks. 6 (she coulda been a 7 if not for the complexion issue)

attitude / delivery. 8.

cost. $300 dollars for 12 hours.

recommended. yes.

lek (rainbow 2 or 3).

looks. 7.

attitude / delivery. 6.

cost. $90 dollars for 1 hour (bit pricey for bangkok, but how she looked with them bolt-ons, yeah, worth it)

recommended. not really.

day 6.

i'm getting a little jaded now. i'm glad i made the trip to experience what bangkok is all about, but it's been a little below expectations. i suppose with anything that gets hyped up so much, the reality tends to fall a little short. after a couple of days like this, i thought to go back to ez massage. the selection is not too great, but a chick called 'four' gets my attention. she fucks good, lots of kissing, but no bbbj to speak of, but she's patient at least. i finished by hand on her chest. so that was ok. at night it was time for the famous 'julie' from bangkok escort. in real life though, she doesn't look so nice, kinda average at best, but sexually she was good. i was able to come inside her twice. something like that at my age is not easy, especially with the rubber. i figured it must have been her ass. or her hip movements. whatever it was, she knew her trade well. if only she was cuter. nonetheless, she was the only one that was able to show up with a schoolgirl uniform, and even then it was the more skimpy tight, not so much the realistic type. funny, for a place like bangkok that is purportedly the most debauched of all mongering destinations, it was tough to find an escort that was into uniforms. also, for julie i got to deduct a point, because she made it out like she couldn't wait to leave. well, that was not cool.

four at ez massage 1. http://ezmassagebkk.com/?model=four

looks. 7.

attitude / delivery. 6.

cost. $85 dollars for 2 hours (worth it, sure i had to finish by hand, but i got to pound that pussy for a good long while)

recommended. yes.

julie at bangkok escort. http://bangkokescort.com/girls/julie/

looks. 5.5.

attitude / delivery. 7.

cost. $250 dollars for 4 hours (kinda worth it, because she milked me good)

recommended. sure, why not. cumming is a sure thing with her at least.

day 7.

for day 7, it was the worst of the worst. absolute worst. big mistake number 2 was today. cosmo bangkok was the place, and 'sky' was her name. again, looking at her photo, you can see crazy in her eyes, but i went for it anyway. stupid me. and the thing about this place is that none of the hot girls are available. i must've booked and rebooked like 5 times with the phone chick, and the only reason i continued was because at least the phone chick was nice. after the total disaster i called back the phone chick and complained, gave her a piece of my mind about the terrible experience. not that it would do anything, but fuck it. anyways, this sky chick shows up and looks okay i suppose. kinda below average actually, and on the way to one of them touristy places, because i like the idea of these chicks showing me around bangkok, she freaks the fuck out. i mean, just flippin' loses it. so i tells her, okay. lets go back to my hotel and call it a day. back at the hotel, she starts to lecture me. here, i am having spent thousands to fuck chicks, and i'm being berated like i have a girlfriend or wife. if i wanted to be treated like that, i'd get myself a girlfriend or wife, right fellas? so, i'm pissed. i'm really fucking pissed. and i have 2 options. fuck her or just tell her to leave. having spent money on this psycho already, i fucked her. i angry fucked her. i came inside that ***** and i said to myself, i'm okay with this, because it's obvious she's not happy to be here, but she's still obliged to fuck me. once i was done, i told her to get dressed and leave. i got the last laugh at least. the night time was better. i went to nataree massage and had one of the sideline chicks. the ones that were $166 bucks, said to have been fucked less, so a little more new to the game. the one that caught my eye was called 'nam fon', and again stupid me i didn't remember the tag number. she was stupendously gorgeous. easily hands down the best looking chick the whole trip. so fucking stunning, i was left speechless. performance wise she did seem kinda new to the game, but getting into the right asian cowgirl position, i was able to jizz in her. which is always my point, i get tired of always needing to finish by hand, i just had to know that with a condom on, without pharma aid, and in a fresh, juicy, tight pussy, i could still come inside a girl, and lo and behold, thanks to bangkok, i figured out i still can, and i know the best position for that now. i ended the night at either rainbow 1 or 2. i can't remember, and after having less than stellar experiences with these places, i was extra careful. like a creep, i just sat there and stared for hours at the girls that i might like, and i did my best to try to get a sense of their personality from their interactions on stage. one caught my eye because of her tiny size and really cute face, 'kay' was her name and again stupid me, i did not bother to remember the tag number. finally, almost at the end of my trip, i find a real gem in 'kay'. she's super sweet, and the very epitome of lady like. she's a real class act that one, a real classy dame. tiny frame, nice titties, super nice personality. the sex was okay, but lasted long enough with some variations in position that i was satisfied. i suspect that if i could have had her for longer, perhaps a couple of days, i may have gotten more from her. like maybe she'd loosen up a little. that being said, she was nice, for the price paid, those couple of hours was good.

sky at cosmo bangkok.

looks. 4.5.

attitude / delivery. minus 10.

cost. $250 bucks ($249 bucks too much)

recommended. only if you're nuts.

nam fon at nataree massage. http://fullservicebkk.wordpress.com/2013/01/18/nataree-ratchadaphisek-road/

looks. a perfect 10!

attitude / delivery. 5.5.

cost. $170 (there was a kind of draw to her inexperience, but really, the experienced ladies is what we should want, if nothing else just to get going better)

recommended. just because she's super hot, other than that, probably not.

kay at rainbow 2 or 1. can't remember.

looks. 8.

attitude / delivery. 7.

cost. $130 for 5 hours (good company this one)

recommended. yes.

day 8.

anyways, i go back to ez massage and if memory serves me right, i did a good deal of back and forth between the 2 ez massages to make sure i get a nice girl. and even then not so much. the first chick i did was 'miki' at ez massage 2. not very responsive and for some strange reason she seems to think that if a dude likes his ass touched in any way, he's gay then. i'm like, okay, obviously she doesn't rim guys then. hell, most of these chicks don't. (i miss prague mostly because of this, i got rimmed like i couldn't fucking believe over there). anyways, she looks decent. but performance sub par. i then went to the angel mssage nearby and had nuut. she was very mechanical. i don't know if she's there anymore, can't find her profile on the website, but she went about her service like a very well rehearsed script, with robotic like precision. so, obviously i didn't nut with nuut. but she was hot. so that was enough for me. i finally went back to ez massage 1 and had a chick called orange, if nothing else because i just wanted to experience them bigger titties that she had. she's nice, some kissing and stuff. nothing like the photos on the website though obviously, same girl and all, but not as nice in real life. i ended the night by stopping by soi cowboy just to see what this place was all about. nice area. if i'm ever in this city again, i'd partake in this place.

mike at ez massage 2. http://ezmassagebkk.com/?model=miki

looks. 7.

attitude / delivery. 5.

cost. $90 for 2 hours.

orange at ez massage 1. http://ezmassagebkk.com/?model=orange

looks. 7.

attitude / delivery. 6.

cost. $90 for 2 hours.

the next day i was going to the airport and again encountered a shitty taxi driver. really fucking shitty. took the airtrain instead. good thing i always travel light with just one piece of luggage. there's something to be said about the cheap prices, but is it worth it just because they're cheap? the service was okay, to me, i didn't feel like it was anything better than what i had experienced in prague. just cheaper. but because they're all asian, it really is up to the individual what you want. i've mongered in many of the main mongering destinations of the world, all except bangkok. with this trip done, i can at least say i've finally done it. another notch to my belt. thanks for reading guys. don't get pissed at me if there's something here you disagree with. it's just words in a forum, to each his own fellas. happy mongering and fuck safe!

[Western787]

the night time was better. i went to nataree massage and had one of the sideline chicks. the ones that were $166 bucks, said to have been fucked less, so a little more new to the game. the one that caught my eye was called 'nam fon', and again stupid me i didn't remember the tag number. she was stupendously gorgeous. easily hands down the best looking chick the whole trip. so fucking stunning, i was left speechless.amazing report:

lesson 1: this is bangkok, beautiful women are everywhere, forget photos and agencies and oil message fakes and select girls in-person up close, which in addition allows one to get a sense of the all-critical vibe level.

lesson 2: rtff. nataree has been mentioned 100's of times in this forum, its a diamond in the rough. the formula is simple. "old crummy rooms and low overhead, but hot young girls", and it works. over 5000 bahts? apparently you got one of the premium sideliners? left you speechless? lol, fair chance she's now part of some japanese business guy's personal collection.

lesson 3. never talk to vendors about the ff outside the ff (similar to fight club rules)

lesson 4: in terms of bangkok and the issue of whether its the alleged "mongering capital of the world". its certainly one of the most prolific if you include rich thais and east asians and their mistresses and concubines which they keep here. note that farangs on this forum that seem to view bangkok in the most favorable terms are here a lot, often weeks or even months at a time, sufficient to often have favorites all over the city, and understand and take advantage of many of the nuances of the p4p scene most shortterm mongers don't notice or are unaware of or are not in a position to benefit from, particularly in regard to repeat sessions with certain providers, and their positive attitude toward bangkok imho derives in part from the fact that in their overpriced home countries, the women are ballbusters, which they are reminded of every time they return home. in contrast, guys that live here year round can sometimes become very jaded and cynical, especially about price increases and worsening attitudes.

[Tabasco72]

As I wrote in the title, I have visited Bangkok after 8 moths break. It was my 10th or 11th time in the City of Angels (plus a short time in Pattaya). My general impression is: everything is more expensive. Beer 155 bath! Compared to last year, when beer costed 100-120b, I have to say that we are ripped off. Bars are buying beer much cheaper and I guess we pay 500% of the price they bought beer. Similar situation is with cola or water. Interesting, Pattaya is still cheaper (Singha 120b, draught beer 60! Bath. On Soi Cowboy draught costs 120b). I don't know what they think. Probably that farangs are stupid. Anyway, I told my Thai friends about my observation and they only laughed and said: "well. Prices raised but only for foreigners".

About the action: I tried Analysa massage on Suk 57a. I had some time with Miss Peachy; however, it was not what I expected. I had a mood for a light domination but she is more into foot fetish than for being domina.

Cheers.

T. 72

[Western787]

Definitely "game" since some real hotties on R4 (right ones) and Baccara (upper floor ones) will only go with Japs as I've read. I'm sure age comes to play too if you're not Jap. Also, I have south Asian origins which is another blow, but worse if I was black (kinda funny since Soi Cowboy's first bar was owned by a black American) , but hey most of these working girls have never graduated from college, why would they care about the history of the place they work in?

At the same time, I've read that Japs get charged more in Go Go's since they can afford it. The famous davetheravebangkok 4 rule or 2-3-4 rule or 3 rule. 4-inch dick. 4-minute sex. 4,000baht.

I don't necessarily see the attention they get as being super positive either. Although, they do get their way on high-end soapies with no foreigner surcharge or even in tourist places like the grand palace and siam ocean world.

On the other hand, I must also accept and be happy that some of these places that cater exclusively to Japs, really are meant for them and not me. I mean, their idea of fun in a karaoke is totally different to my concept of 'fun'. Also, these Jap-only hotties may be eye candy, but they probably wouldn't be able to handle more than 4-minutes and bigger than 4-inches. I can't stand hot women who can't "give it all to me" (quoting "I was made for loving you" by Kiss).

Believe me, I've tried to enjoy sex with a hot (9 or 10) europeans who couldn't please me and hated it all the way. Thus, it's really not that much of a loss to foreigners.

The bottom line is (and I have learned this from countless mistakes and bitter tears shed in other areas of my life, not just mongering)

Do your homework and you'll be rewarded. If you plan ahead of time and get informed on scams, discrimination and all the subtle and not-so subtle things you will be prepared (most of the time) and know what to expect. There's no excuse for people being upset afterwards and saying they weren't warned of such things beforehand. The info is all there. All you have to do is read (perhaps preceded by some digging / researching).

Once you know the places or things to avoid, you'll also know which ones are right to the individual or 'you' and many more solutions will inevitably become open.

For instance, I'll go to go go bars to enjoy seeing hot women dancing and some shows I want to see (Angelwitch and Spankys). However, I know my chances of barfining a super hot Baccara / Rainbow 4 girl are 1/1000 or less. Fine by me, I already know places where I can find better looking women in MP's who will fuck me for the green, regardless. Adjusting is the key and as I once told Paul via PM, I firmly believe it should always be a fair business transaction. However, Thai girls today earn too much money today not to discriminate based on age and race. No problem, there is still much supply elsewhere where they will take you. .

P4P is going to keep growing. I highly doubt it'll decrease. One thing that does make me a little mad in Asia is the excessive tipping. It causes too much inflation and girls expectation increases. I'll make sure I keep things very controlled.The Jap issue is not decisive in most venues, except perhaps Thermae and only with some extremely cute girls and that's mostly before midnight. Even in Baccarra the Jap issue has become increasingly irrelevant, with many girls hanging all over Farangs.

As for Go Go's and (non go go) regular bars, if one also does their "homework" AFTER they are in Bangkok and they make a conscious and determined effort to inventory the clubs to understand exactly what is available (this can actually be done in Nana in a day or two) they will have a good selection of hotties for takeouts (and perhaps a decent vibe also) The odds are in fact quite good.

[Paul Kausch]

I got to say though, I did all I could to get a booking with goldie's, so much has been said about how great they are, but they just wouldn't fit me in their schedule. Also, while I did manage to speak to the dude on the phone, I suspect that something I said may have put me on their shit list. I don't know why I assumed paul kaush was the owners husband, I remember reading somewhere here the name of goldie's husband and I just assumed it was him because paul kausch speaks a lot about goldies. The dude on the other line said something about the international sex guide, and mere hours later I get an email from them telling me they won't be able to accommodate me. Sadly, I had already given them my real name, so that means I will never be able to use their services (since I'm on their shit-list) should I ever be in Bangkok.My good man, I am not Goldie's husband. I've never met them. I've talked to the husband on the phone; I've exchanged many emails with both. I have commented in many posts that I like both of them. Goldie's husband interrogates potential new clients carefully. Hard to tell why you alarmed him. To book one of their ladies you must give the name of the hotel and the name you are booked under, so unless you managed to book a room under an alias it will would be difficult to engage one of their ladies using a false name.


Fiona at pure Bangkok escort.

http://purebangkokescorts.com/girls/fiona/

Looks. 8 (yes, she does look like that fellas, but not as pale obviously)

Attitude / delivery. 5 for the somewhat lackluster sex.

Cost. $300 Dollars for 10 hours (this supposedly pays for 3 shots, but I only got one with her. Next time fellas, don't be so nice like me, insist on more and get your moneys worth)

Recommended. If only for her looks and niceness, say you needed a chick to bring out for some fancy dinner.Should have read the review of Fiona I posted a few weeks ago. As I emphasized in my review, she is (or at least was at that time) very inexperienced. However, frankly, I had a lot of fun with her and found her to be a very horny young lady with a considerable sexual appetite. I only manage one shot about every eight hours; however, we sucked and fucked for several hours and she manged four or five shots.

Of course YMMV.

[Western787]

Definitely "game" since some real hotties on R4 (right ones) and Baccara (upper floor ones) will only go with Japs as I've read. .Not sure where you got the "right side" of Rainbow 4 idea that they won't go with Farangs. In fact #15 and a right side dancer (half way down) a blonde stunner seems to actually focus on Farangs. Also Mai (#196) also a right side dancer (also half way down) with a great ass and terrific personality, and is very hot also goes with Farangs. Also I can personally verify I've seen a smoking hot upstairs Baccarra girl go with a 30 something severely drunk British dude, and this was a month or so before the Jan 12th "Shutdown Bangkok" protests kicked the business down even more

[George300]

i'll be arriving in bkk in 5days, this will be my 3rd trip to thailand so i'm still kinda a newbie. my last trip was before new years, had a great time but still wanted better. i've had bell from bangkokgoldescorts and wasnt that impressed. she was nice and all and body was what i wanted, but performance wise she wasn't the pse type i expected after reading reviews. she wasn't a starfish but wasn't good either, i won't see her again.

i had girls at mango, annies, bamboo. mangos rooms are kinda a dump, little bugs throughout, kinda grossed out. girls have always taken good care. did anything i wanted but still would give over experience a 7 out 10. annies was a bit better because i like being in the soapy bathtub with them, but the rooms were bigger than mango and somewhat nicer but still dumpy. overall would have to say 7. 5 out 10. bamboos, i'd give a 8 of 10, rooms were nice and fresh. had a good time with one girl at the place and then for my second time i had ploy come to my hotel. she was pretty cool and i had a great time with her, probably the best of the massage girls i had but i hoped she was hotter but she was still cute. i really want stunners tho.

so then i go to rainbow 4 a few nights. one of them was a stunner, super hot, amazing natural tits, killer body, fucked me real good and was active and got into real good positions, she really knew how to fuck and was pse style but no anal. and the worst part, she wouldn't do bbbj. a condom for a bj is deal breaker for me back in usa, but its my fault because i didn't ask her what her limits were when we were at the club. next had a super tiny girl from rainbow4, like novelty tiny. she prolly weighed 75lbs. performed well and i basically was throwing her around and really used her as a handheld masturbator. wouldn't take her again tho, something wasnt totally together with her. maybe mixture of anorexia or drugs. idk. had two more rainbow girls, they were cute, but performance was average.

i went to dr bjs salon and sampled 'l'. she was accommodating but i want more. i really want a girl that will let me rough face fuck her with spit running out of her mouth down her neck, hard deepthroat, she could even puke on me as long as she's super and really gives it her all. i find most thai girls give lacklust bjs. some were good, but the american girls i'm use too really are super working girls when it comes to sloppy hard deepthroating. so the bar is pretty high. i've also had amazing times in europe with romanian girls.

before i flew out i went to eden club. on previous trip i went to devils den in pattaya and it was lackluster mechanical and would rank it a 6 out of 10. i should have been more aggressive with the girls. eden was a little better, but still not super amazing. i think porn has ruined me. i really want these working girls to be cum hungry nymphs but they just going thru the motions.

so for my 3rd trip coming up i need advice. where am i going to find the girls and at least decent actors? if you guys ever seen some of the porn vids from asian apple seed, that's what i'm talking about. i got money to spend i'm not cheap charlie, so i'll pay a premium for better service. buts she got to be stellar. also interested any recommandations for really long time, like 3 or 4 days. i kinda want to get a good girl and take her to phuket or koi samui and have a girlfriend experience getway. i found some escort sites online that so rates for days. anyone have experience with bangkok escort girl. com? or what about sunnydebkk. com? she independant, pricey but not as much as the other one i found, tuk bangkok. com. she wants 15,000baht for 2 hours? insane.

does anyone have advice with how to go about getting a girl for a few days, take her and yourself to a doctors get std tested, if she's clean i want to bareback all vacation long. thats truly my goal, i will never ever ever fuck one of these girls without them being tested (even tho here in the states, i've slipped up many a times with k-girls and some amp girls, bareback but never caught anything). are they receptive to this?

this trip i will sample bamboo again, maybe la belle for novelty factor (intrigued by the luxury of it) , or poseidon, i want to order more girls to my room was going to use ez massage website. maybe nan from bangkokgold or if anyone else recommends someone different. make it to soi cowboy. and angelwitch in nana (saw some good ones in there last time but they got scooped up before i could chose them). i kinda want to fuck a super hot and feminine ladyboy too. any advice for them?

last time i saw this older guy with these two chicks, they looked super young, but were prolly 18, one had red hair the other green hair, punk hipsters, they were bi and all over each other on the bts in a sexy playful way. they had marijuana leave tattoos on them too which i liked because you know these girls party. they looked like total nymphs, i was about to ask the guy where he found them. i would love to sample some girls like that.

how is freelance girls at nana or any of the clubs? i never went to any of them. i'll be solo and was a little apprehensive going to clubs like that solo.

i'll be in pattaya for sure for 2 days, looking to bang some russians there for a change of pace. going to visit campagne and some other places on walking street but don't know where else to go. lots of massage places, i suppose just kinda walk around and take a peek around like i did last time. any standouts must sees?

if anyone wants to meet up and share their wisdom with a newbie like me that would be great. looking forward to making this my best trip yet.

[Member #4263]

Happy mongering and fuck safe!Thanks for the awesome review mate! Will be in BKK next month so your nfo was very helpful. Little concerned that Grand Palace and such are blocked, but I'm here for mongering anyway. Oh well, looks like I'll find something else to do and it'll help to focus more on the sex scene.

[GoldenTouch80]

Guys,

This will be my virgin trip to Thailand. I have a buddy who's been to Thailand before and loves it. He suggests that I skip Bangkok due to the political unrest and head straight for Pattaya. Being my virgin trip, I would like to spend at least a couple of days here. What do you guys think? Are the monger areas safe? What should I avoid?I have been here many times. I too am reaching BKK on 27th, but I am leaving for Pattaya directly as that would be more fun, as the protests in BKK would mean a lot of thinking as to which route to take etc. So better head off to Pattaya, I feel it will be better idea. I am mongering just 2 days and then I shall be back to BKK to see my new house and gf, so 1st I shall finish my mongering or else would have loved to show you around Pattaya. But anyways I am sure you will handle it quite well.

[IamJohnGalt]

The Jap issue is not decisive in most venues, except perhaps Thermae and only with some extremely cute girls and that's mostly before midnight. Even in Baccarra the Jap issue has become increasingly irrelevant, with many girls hanging all over Farangs.Regarding Thermae, yes, there are some ladies who won't go with 50+ year old blonde white guys (even though I think I look younger. Ha-ha.)

However, some of the best P4P experiences I have had in BKK were with ladies from Thermae. They are significantly more expensive than 5 years ago, but they aren't computers, so that's life. And for a guy from the land of frigid stuck-up bitches (USA) it's a great feeling to see the free market at work. All those lovlies legally waiting to be selected by you to satisfy their most passionate erotic dreams. (Always think positive ;^)

[Rjsss212]

I got to say though, I did all I could to get a booking with goldie's, so much has been said about how great they are, but they just wouldn't fit me in their schedule. Also, while I did manage to speak to the dude on the phone, I suspect that something I said may have put me on their shit list. I don't know why I assumedOnly 1 monger recommends BKK gold and its generally assumed he has ulterior motives.

Try this:

http://www.bkk141.com

[Wolvenvacht]

So for my 3rd trip coming up I need advice. Where am I going to find the girls and at least decent actors? If you guys ever seen some of the porn vids from Asian apple seed, that's what I'm talking about. I got money to spend I'm not cheap charlie, so I'll pay a premium for better service. Buts she got to be stellar.I've seen some of the Asian Apple Seed video's (not really my kind of fun, but YMMV) and you will really have to look far and wide before you will find a Thai girl that will perform according to the Apple Seed scripts. At least I haven't met any girl that was into that kind of rough sex, but perhaps I did not look in the right (or wrong) places. Most of the Apple Seed sex is degrading and disrespectful and I always had the feeling that most girls were either drugged or had some terminal brain damage.


Also interested any recommandations for really long time, like 3 or 4 days. I kinda want to get a good girl and take her to phuket or koi samui and have a girlfriend experience getaway.That is something we all dream about, but is not easy to arrange up front with any chance of success. Having an ST session with a girl or even an LT experience will give no guarantee that she will be enjoyable for the whole duration of the trip, unless you plan to fuck her the whole time. What will you talk about in-between sessions? What do you have in common? Nothing as bad as spending time with someone with whom you have no "click"!

So your quest is to find someone you really like and she at least pretends the same about you. But unless you try someone, you will not know. A good plan might be to take someone for LT and when you are happy with her sexual services, invite her to spend an afternoon or so in a mall, or a market, or ask her to guide you to some touristy places. If all of that goes well, you can invite her to a trip to the islands. If she works in a club you will have to pay barfine for the whole period, plus her fees of course. A total cost of 2000 to 3000 baht per day plus all travel, food and hotel expenses, seems a minimum budget.

But perhaps it is better to start surfing the dating sites and find yourself a real girlfriend. ;)

[Wolvenvacht]

Only 1 monger recommends BKK gold and its generally assumed he has ulterior motives.

Try this:

http://www.bkk141.com"Generally assumed" by one or two perhaps?

[Paul Kausch]

"Generally assumed" by one or two perhaps?I can't read this gentlemen's posts, but while escort review sites give Bangkok Gold good reviews, here's an example of what they say about BKK141.

Large selection of girls from 23 years + but unfortunately with the worst service you can imagine. We booked 3 girls during two days in April 2012 and all of them had their period (Kung, Nuch and Bell) A refund request was always declined by a British guy named "Scott" and his female Thai Mamasam "Nee". Unfortunately we had no chance to avoid this because every girl was asking for the payment within 5 minuted upon arrival. In addition we had to pick up with some serious phone terror including extortion because all girls got nuts after we informed the escort agency. Stay away

While Bangkok Gold is my favorite escort service, it is not the only escort service I use. However, BKK141 is a service I would never use.

For what it's worth, I've never had any of the escorts our MP girls on outcall I've used ask for money upfront. If one did, I'd immediately send her on her way.

[Syzygies]

Does anyone have advice with how to go about getting a girl for a few days, take her and yourself to a doctors get STD tested, if she's clean I want to bareback all vacation long. Thats truly my goal, I will never ever ever fuck one of these girls without them being tested (even tho here in the states, I've slipped up many a times with k-girls and some AMP girls, bareback but never caught anything). Are they receptive to this?Its possible for really nice respectful guys that treat a girl well, to get to know a beautiful girl over time, and take her away for a few days like she was a girlfriend. I don't like your chances. You best start off with the pornstar MP shops and see if you develop a good rapport with some hottie.

Many of us already know a girl real well that could be our holiday girl. Its not an instant thing.

[Mouse1]

Its possible for really nice respectful guys that treat a girl well, to get to know a beautiful girl over time, and take her away for a few days like she was a girlfriend. I don't like your chances. You best start off with the pornstar MP shops and see if you develop a good rapport with some hottie.

Many of us already know a girl real well that could be our holiday girl. Its not an instant thing.I've known a girl ('The Shrimp') in BKK for about 5 years now. We clicked when we first met. I've taken her to Krabi (twice) , Koh Samet, Koh Chang, and a few other places including a week in Singapore. I'll be seeing her again in a couple of weeks. An absolute delight and a pleasure to be with. If we get bored I buy her a couple of magazines, or watch a film, or go for a massage, or a bike ride, there is always something to do.

[Mouse1]

The service was okay, to me, I didn't feel like it was anything better than what I had experienced in prague. Just cheaper. But because they're all asian, it really is up to the individual what you want. I've mongered in many of the main mongering destinations of the world, all except Bangkok. With this trip done, I can at least say I've finally done it. Another notch to my belt. Thanks for reading guys. Don't get pissed at me if there's something here you disagree with. It's just words in a forum, to each his own fellas. Happy mongering and fuck safe!Your experience is so different to mine, not least perhaps in your approach. As a trivial example, in all my trips to BKK I have never had 'a shitty taxi driver', as you put it. I've had some troublesome ones, but nothing that couldn't be solved with a smile. There is an Asian way of doing things, and I am hardly an expert, but I usually have a pretty good time wherever I go in Asia.

But like you say, that's what your experience was. So here's my challenge to you: I'm going to Prague next week, so please give me a couple of pointers to having a good time. And I'll report back as to which was more fun! My limited research so far on Prague makes me want to save my money for BKK (the following week).

[Western787]

i'll be arriving in bkk in 5days, this will be my 3rd trip to thailand so i'm still kinda a newbie. my last trip was before new years, had a great time but still wanted better. i've had bell from bangkokgoldescorts and wasnt that impressed. she was nice and all and body was what i wanted, but performance wise she wasn't the pse type i expected after reading reviews. she wasn't a starfish but wasn't good either, i won't see her again.

i had girls at mango, annies, bamboo. mangos rooms are kinda a dump, little bugs throughout, kinda grossed out. girls have always taken good care. did anything i wanted but still would give over experience a 7 out 10. annies was a bit better because i like being in the soapy bathtub with them, but the rooms were bigger than mango and somewhat nicer but still dumpy. overall would have to say 7. 5 out 10. bamboos, i'd give a 8 of 10, rooms were nice and fresh. had a good time with one girl at the place and then for my second time i had ploy come to my hotel. she was pretty cool and i had a great time with her, probably the best of the massage girls i had but i hoped she was hotter but she was still cute. i really want stunners tho.

so then i go to rainbow 4 a few nights. one of them was a stunner, super hot, amazing natural tits, killer body, fucked me real good and was active and got into real good positions, she really knew how to fuck and was pse style but no anal. and the worst part, she wouldn't do bbbj. a condom for a bj is deal breaker for me back in usa, but its my fault because i didn't ask her what her limits were when we were at the club. next had a super tiny girl from rainbow4, like novelty tiny. she prolly weighed 75lbs. performed well and i basically was throwing her around and really used her as a handheld masturbator. wouldn't take her again tho, something wasnt totally together with her. maybe mixture of anorexia or drugs. idk. had two more rainbow girls, they were cute, but performance was average.

i went to dr bjs salon and sampled 'l'. she was accommodating but i want more. i really want a girl that will let me rough face fuck her with spit running out of her mouth down her neck, hard deepthroat, she could even puke on me as long as she's super and really gives it her all. i find most thai girls give lacklust bjs. some were good, but the american girls i'm use too really are super working girls when it comes to sloppy hard deepthroating. so the bar is pretty high. i've also had amazing times in europe with romanian girls.

before i flew out i went to eden club. on previous trip i went to devils den in pattaya and it was lackluster mechanical and would rank it a 6 out of 10. i should have been more aggressive with the girls. eden was a little better, but still not super amazing. i think porn has ruined me. i really want these working girls to be cum hungry nymphs but they just going thru the motions.

so for my 3rd trip coming up i need advice. where am i going to find the girls and at least decent actors? if you guys ever seen some of the porn vids from asian apple seed, that's what i'm talking about. i got money to spend i'm not cheap charlie, so i'll pay a premium for better service. buts she got to be stellar. also interested any recommandations for really long time, like 3 or 4 days. i kinda want to get a good girl and take her to phuket or koi samui and have a girlfriend experience getway. i found some escort sites online that so rates for days. anyone have experience with bangkok escort girl. com? or what about sunnydebkk. com? she independant, pricey but not as much as the other one i found, tuk bangkok. com. she wants 15, 000baht for 2 hours? insane.

does anyone have advice with how to go about getting a girl for a few days, take her and yourself to a doctors get std tested, if she's clean i want to bareback all vacation long. thats truly my goal, i will never ever ever fuck one of these girls without them being tested (even tho here in the states, i've slipped up many a times with k-girls and some amp girls, bareback but never caught anything). are they receptive to this?

this trip i will sample bamboo again, maybe la belle for novelty factor (intrigued by the luxury of it) , or poseidon, i want to order more girls to my room was going to use ez massage website. maybe nan from bangkokgold or if anyone else recommends someone different. make it to soi cowboy. and angelwitch in nana (saw some good ones in there last time but they got scooped up before i could chose them). i kinda want to fuck a super hot and feminine ladyboy too. any advice for them?

last time i saw this older guy with these two chicks, they looked super young, but were prolly 18, one had red hair the other green hair, punk hipsters, they were bi and all over each other on the bts in a sexy playful way. they had marijuana leave tattoos on them too which i liked because you know these girls party. they looked like total nymphs, i was about to ask the guy where he found them. i would love to sample some girls like that.

how is freelance girls at nana or any of the clubs? i never went to any of them. i'll be solo and was a little apprehensive going to clubs like that solo.

i'll be in pattaya for sure for 2 days, looking to bang some russians there for a change of pace. going to visit campagne and some other places on walking street but don't know where else to go. lots of massage places, i suppose just kinda walk around and take a peek around like i did last time. any standouts must sees?

if anyone wants to meet up and share their wisdom with a newbie like me that would be great. looking forward to making this my best trip yet.taking your criteria literally could be summed up as follows: a 9 plus drop dead gorgeous playful stunner willing on shortnotice to go on a multi day trip to 24/7 fuck bareback, take it up the ass, deep down the throat and all hardcore style but only after you've tested her for stds. sounds like the hardcore version of "aibolit" the poster a year or so back with the most demanding criteria i've seen listed.

unless you're brad pitt or are enormously wealthy and willing to pay extraordinary amounts odds are 1 in a 1000. such girls are looking for a cash-heavy sponsor to pay their full freight and simply being paid a "premium' for a few days means nothing to them.

now that said, you may get lucky and run into a go go stunner who happens to be in heat at the right time of the month and will go bareback but then agreeing to test? unlikely and there is a window issue with hiv, making it all somewhat meaningless anyway

now as for whether that was routinely doable 15 to 20 years ago in bangkok, not sure, but perhaps some experts in that era can comment on that.

as for guys walking into nana clubs solo?. its an absolute irrelevant issue with probably one third to one half of all patrons entering clubs solo. the crime issue for example is next to non existent in these clubs. when you visit you will understand how irrelevant and absurd the entire wingman issue is, and in fact wingmen can limit your flexibility in bangkok, cut down the flexibility one needs to more from venue to venue. the city itself is extermely safem especially in the main areas, and only the protests have complcated the rules a bit. farangs are all in the same boat, so its fairly common for the guy next to you to be making comments about the dancers and so forth.

[Newton York]

Thanks for the awesome review mate! Will be in BKK next month so your nfo was very helpful. Little concerned that Grand Palace and such are blocked, but I'm here for mongering anyway. Oh well, looks like I'll find something else to do and it'll help to focus more on the sex scene.Yeah, it was tough to even try to get there. In the end, the chick I was with and I just gave up and went to a mall instead. It's possible to get there via the subway and stuff, but when I was there, the real violence hadn't started yet. Until things calm down, I would recommend sticking to the mongering areas. I never even got close to a single temple or palace, but somehow I felt like I got the most of Bangkok.

[Newton York]

Your experience is so different to mine, not least perhaps in your approach. As a trivial example, in all my trips to BKK I have never had 'a shitty taxi driver', as you put it. I've had some troublesome ones, but nothing that couldn't be solved with a smile. There is an Asian way of doing things, and I am hardly an expert, but I usually have a pretty good time wherever I go in Asia.

But like you say, that's what your experience was. So here's my challenge to you: I'm going to Prague next week, so please give me a couple of pointers to having a good time. And I'll report back as to which was more fun! My limited research so far on Prague makes me want to save my money for BKK (the following week).I don't know compadre, sounds to me like you're not going to like prague. Trust me man, it's two very very different experiences. Not to mention if you're going now, it's cold too. I think it almost goes with saying that you won't like it compared to Bangkok. But its okay man, to each his own you know. We've all got our preferences. I like prague for specific reasons. Just like how you like Bangkok. Perhaps it's how I worded my report, making things sound worse than it is. Bangkok was okay, I'd go back if I had the cash. Its sayonara from me after these posts, I got to semi-retire because of lousy financials. Happy mongering dude, and fuck safe!

[Newton York]

amazing report:

lesson 1: this is bangkok, beautiful women are everywhere, forget photos and agencies and oil message fakes and select girls in-person up close, which in addition allows one to get a sense of the all-critical vibe level.

lesson 2: rtff. nataree has been mentioned 100's of times in this forum, its a diamond in the rough. the formula is simple."old crummy rooms and low overhead, but hot young girls", and it works. over 5000 bahts? apparently you got one of the premium sideliners? left you speechless? lol, fair chance she's now part of some japanese business guy's personal collection.

lesson 3. never talk to vendors about the ff outside the ff (similar to fight club rules)

lesson 4: in terms of bangkok and the issue of whether its the alleged "mongering capital of the world". its certainly one of the most prolific if you include rich thais and east asians and their mistresses and concubines which they keep here. note that farangs on this forum that seem to view bangkok in the most favorable terms are here a lot, often weeks or even months at a time, sufficient to often have favorites all over the city, and understand and take advantage of many of the nuances of the p4p scene most shortterm mongers don't notice or are unaware of or are not in a position to benefit from, particularly in regard to repeat sessions with certain providers, and their positive attitude toward bangkok imho derives in part from the fact that in their overpriced home countries, the women are ballbusters, which they are reminded of every time they return home. in contrast, guys that live here year round can sometimes become very jaded and cynical, especially about price increases and worsening attitudes.yes, agreed. i learned those lessons first hand. is that what she was? a premium sideliner. there were like 4 of them, but she was the best looking, i was wondering what set them apart. in hindsight, as hot as she was, and if given the time, i think i'd try the others. but man, there were so many, how does one choose? lesson 4 is spot on dude. spot on. i probably need another a few more trips before i can feel like i really like the place. its very 'alive' compared to europe obviously. the energy, the heat, the humidity, all the sweating one does, etc. but it did feel kinda messy to me, which again makes sense it being the third world and all. sure, the malls and surrounding were clean and nice, but bangkok has that chaotic energy, the mess of it all, that needs a little patience to deal with. i'm not putting the place down, i'm just saying it's different. i just like places that have large and clean sidewalks to walk on. having experienced bangkok and how different it is, even very different from singapore which i enjoyed mongering in, i just got to say that whatever one might feel of the city itself, the chicks are worth a look-see.

[Newton York]

Well, whatever it is the husband felt me weird, and I'm on their shit list now, and since they got my real name I can't ever, never ever book with goldies. I don't know how I feel about that. It really depends if I'm ever going back to Bangkok. Don't get me wrong fellas, I know my review back there seemed less than stellar, but I think it was pretty balanced. But I've always been more partial to the blondes / brunettes anyway. This whole Bangkok thing was just something I needed to try. I wanted to try 'asian'. I know for a lot of you fellas here, it's pretty much home. I respect you for that. If I can afford it, I'd be back too, right now though cash is tight. Well, at least the chicks were cheap. Overall, it was an eye opening experience. I know fellas, I saw it too, there were a lot of hotties, no doubt. Some hotter than I could have conceived possible. While Bangkok itself is something that needs getting used to, the chicks are definitely worth a visit. If I have more time and money, I'll be back.

[ConquerorVal]

Note that Farangs on this forum that seem to view Bangkok in the most favorable terms are here a lot, often weeks or even months at a time, sufficient to often have favorites all over the city, and understand and take advantage of many of the nuances of the P4P scene most shortterm mongers don't notice or are unaware of or are not in a position to benefit from, particularly in regard to repeat sessions with certain providers.... In contrast, guys that live here year round can sometimes become very jaded and cynical, especially about price increases and worsening attitudes.This makes a lot of sense!

[Margaya]

spent three days in bkk, having arrived swiftly in bell travel service's bus from pattaya. left hotel at 8.30, checked in bkk hotel at 11 am so it was very fast / smooth and cheap indeed. hardly 5 passengers in the bus. called one of old contact from oilies. she arrived within an hour and the next few hours just flew. all i know is by the time we were finished, it was close to midnight already. went for a walk towards nana from asok intersection which is blocked by protesters. it is certainly bit tense but not too much. mostly loud rabble rousing speeches followed by some entertainment. one has to walk through the small channels and show the bags. one can also use the mrt walkway which has been reduced to half size, one half is taken up by protesters. business has been hit badly around protest area but seems to be not too bad in other places which are also almost normal in terms of atmosphere. soi cowboy was hopeless, mostly very ugly looking slim girls. went into baccara on two nights. lots and lots of girls as usual, not one good looking one. plenty of ippuns, not as many as last year. very few farangs. went to rajah hotel to check russian presence. omfg. bloody fuglies. why did they even enter this line. pimp said few more girls upstairs after 10 pm and quoted 2700 but i won't settle for less than 25000 bahts just touching me lol. same situation in grace hotel but around 11 pm the lineup outside hotel improved a bit and i saw 3-5 girls who i would rate as 6. mostly fat ugly stani girls. the wgs have practically deserted asok area and are now found in nana and soi 5-12 areas. nana is not my cup of tea anyways but the ones on sukumvit were hopless. didn't even feel like asking them the rates. went to bier garden around 3 pm. absoloutely crap. old geezers and old providers. about 30-40 onsite and not one good looking one. repeated another laste evening, still nothing attractive. picked up two wgs from sukumvit during my three day stay, both quoted 1000 bahts. pretty good service. also took fancy to a cutie in one of the massage shops in front of citadines 23 but she wanted 1500 for full service so told her to stop massage after 20 minutes. she was surprised when ai tipped her. had just started so was not business savvy, hopefully will be smarter for you guys. did a bit of tourist thing, went to grand palace (500 baht entry fee) and ayutthya. both are excellent to take a break and snap few pics. on last day called my contact again. the evening with her just flew and 4 hours and 2 shots later, it was only time enough for a 4 hour nap before my flight so thus ended my bangkok trip. left bkk with heavy heart, feeling as if ai now have a mistress in bkk who sucked all my time an. the you know what.

[DRRonin]

I don't know compadre, sounds to me like you're not going to like prague. Trust me man, it's two very very different experiences. Not to mention if you're going now, it's cold too. I think it almost goes with saying that you won't like it compared to Bangkok. But its okay man, to each his own you know. We've all got our preferences. I like prague for specific reasons. Just like how you like Bangkok. Perhaps it's how I worded my report, making things sound worse than it is. Bangkok was okay, I'd go back if I had the cash. Its sayonara from me after these posts, I got to semi-retire because of lousy financials. Happy mongering dude, and fuck safe!Bangkok has always been very hit and miss to me. When I first started coming here 20 years ago it was about girls really not having a lot of skills and often not willing to smoke but they almost always had great attitudes. Now they are generally more skillful at the practice of sex but very hit and miss in their attitudes. But with a little work you could and still can find girls that have both good skills and good attitudes. But there will certainly be some bombs thrown in before you do. Still I have to wonder if your streak of bad luck was somewhat self-inflicted. A lot of effort was clearly put into choosing girls from Escort Services for goodly amounts of money but geez hardly anyone that I know uses escort services. They are truly Russian Roulette. Maybe they are better back in Europe but in Bangkok, no way should you use them. Pay up front? Lord no. Your chances of bad service increase dramatically if you do that in an escort service or in pretty much any service. Best value for money is generally freelancers found in discos and various other venues. Gogo's though have the better looking women and at least you can spend some time with them and measure the chemistry and their attitude. Still your chances of a great experience is only 50/50 if that. But the fact that you had two disagreeable experiences with taxi drivers really seems odd and makes me wonder about you. In all my years of coming and living here I have never had one problem with a driver. Some may not want to put on the meter so you just wait for one who will. Bangkok is great if you allow it to be great but stay away from escort services and queens in go-gos.

[Phordphan]

I probably need another a few more trips before I can feel like I really like the place. Its very 'alive' compared to europe obviously. The energy, the heat, the humidity, all the sweating one does, etc. But it did feel kinda messy to me, which again makes sense it being the third world and all. Sure, the malls and surrounding were clean and nice, but Bangkok has that chaotic energy, the mess of it all, that needs a little patience to deal with. I'm not putting the place down, I'm just saying it's different. I just like places that have large and clean sidewalks to walk on. Having experienced Bangkok and how different it is, even very different from Singapore which I enjoyed mongering in, I just got to say that whatever one might feel of the city itself, the chicks are worth a look-see.Ahh, BKK. Like many Asian cities, it's "organized chaos." It's a fascinating place, where there is always something going on. The traffic, the crazy moto taxis, walking down the street with one eye on the ground for holes and obstacles, one eye up for forehead-height awning poles, a third eye on traffic approaching from behind, and a fourth eye for the random elephant. As the song says, it's truly "A show with everything but Yul Brynner."

Mmm, the heat and humidity! The smells of delicious food wafting from every street corner. The smiles from the vendors, the "Hello hansum man" from the door girls, the high-buck restaurants cheek by jowl with sidewalk noodle stands, the sense of the anticipation when venturing out at night to find a new girl. As George C. Scott said in Patton."God help me, I do love it so!"

The Europhiles can keep Europe with its wide boulevards and spotless streets. To quote Kipling, "If you've 'eard the East a-callin', you'll never 'eed naught else." You've either heard the East calling, or you haven't. There's no shame in not hearing it. To each his own and no judgment from this corner of farangdom.

[Paul Kausch]

I like prague for specific reasons. Just like how you like Bangkok. Perhaps it's how I worded my report, making things sound worse than it is. Bangkok was okay, I'd go back if I had the cash. Its sayonara from me after these posts, I got to semi-retire because of lousy financials. Happy mongering dude, and fuck safe!
Bangkok has always been very hit and miss to me.

But with a little work you could and still can find girls that have both good skills and good attitudes. But there will certainly be some bombs thrown in before you do.

A lot of effort was clearly put into choosing girls from Escort Services for goodly amounts of money but geez hardly anyone that I know uses escort services. They are truly Russian Roulette.

Best value for money is generally freelancers found in discos and various other venues. Gogo's though have the better looking womenDR Ronin, I like your post. It reflects ISG at it's best. Guys sharing knowledge, experiences and opinions. I'm going to offer some different opinions, which is not to say mine are right and yours are wrong. They're just different.

First, I think Bangkok is mostly hit and very little miss. Like you I've never had problems with taxis drivers, nor with waitresses, hotel employees, sales clerks and other civilian workers. I just remember where I am and how I should act if I want social interactions to go well. For me, that is part of the fun. I think the hotel accommodations are great value and the food is cheap and very good. My preferences with the ladies is where our opinions differ.

I've spent time with the gogo girls, FLs, MP girls and escorts. If you do your homework my experience is the least risk, best looking ladies (good manners, nicely dressed and at least decent English) and the best sex by far is with the escorts. I've never had an escort ask me to pay her upfront and have always been pleased with the lady. I agree the gogo girls generally are more attractive than the FLs, but I find both are a crap shoot. Sex with most is average. With a few it is better than average. With a few it is below average. Of course a guy living in Bangkok can shop around, find a few of the exceptional ladies and see them on a regular basis. I think the MPs are a good place to find good performers. Not all the MP ladies are great looking, but again, by doing your homework you can seek out ladies who get good reviews and pick one whose looks you like. Sure we all know YMMV, but there are those ladies who get consistently good reviews. How many bad reviews did Apple at Cherry Massage ever get? I can't recall even one. Of course she was exceptionally good, but there are other ladies out there who get consistently good reviews. Just RTFF! The problem with the MP ladies is even a good performer can give lack luster service if she's been exceptionally busy. My reviews of #24 (Aor) at Annie's is a good example of this. She was fantastic the first time (as good as the best escorts) but only average the second time after having her ass and pussy fucked nonstop for two days. This is not a problem with the escorts because the good agencies monitor and limit how many clients a lady sees over a given time interval. I think the best value is a good MP lady on overnight outcall. For example, Pure Bangkok Escorts (I pick them because they are one of the less expensive escort agencies) charges 9000 (plus whatever tip you may choose to give) for ten hours. For 5000 plus tip you can pick up one of Annie's ladies at 4:30pm and have her stay with you until she needs to leave for work the next day. At Bamboo I'd pick up a lady at 9pm. Pay Bamboo 1000. The lady would stay with me until about 10am the next day and I'd tip her 4000. If you're on a budget I believe the MPs inhouse are excellent value because you don't have lady drinks, bar fines and short time hotel rooms.

Another option guys on ISG don't write about much is using dating websites and social media to find ladies. On these you can hook up with pros, semipros and civilians who understand what is expected of them. You can cultivate an online relationship. Arrange to meet for coffee at Terminal 21. Pay for her beverage and say good bye if you don't like her. If you want to be a real gentleman give her some money for a taxi home. But if you have a little bit of luck you may be able to hook up with a good looking lady and companion. I think this is a really good option for guys under forty. Of course old farts like me can hook up with forty plus ladies, but I go to Bangkok to fuck ladies one-third my age! :D

I recommend guys in town for the first time do their homework (ISG is one of many good sources of information, just do Google searches) and sample a little of everything. After a few visits you'll figure out what you prefer. There are a number of good mongering destinations around the world; and most cities of a decent size have at least some options; but for variety, quantity and value, I think Bangkok can't be beat.

[Western787]

Ahh, BKK. Like many Asian cities, it's "organized chaos." It's a fascinating place, where there is always something going on. The traffic, the crazy moto taxis, walking down the street with one eye on the ground for holes and obstacles, one eye up for forehead-height awning poles, a third eye on traffic approaching from behind, and a fourth eye for the random elephant. As the song says, it's truly "A show with everything but Yul Brynner."

Mmm, the heat and humidity! The smells of delicious food wafting from every street corner. The smiles from the vendors, the "Hello hansum man" from the door girls, the high-buck restaurants cheek by jowl with sidewalk noodle stands, the sense of the anticipation when venturing out at night to find a new girl. As George C. Scott said in Patton."God help me, I do love it so!"

The Europhiles can keep Europe with its wide boulevards and spotless streets. To quote Kipling,"If you've 'eard the East a-callin', you'll never 'eed naught else." You've either heard the East calling, or you haven't. There's no shame in not hearing it. To each his own and no judgment from this corner of farangdom.That's a good description. There are so many things that are different here, some of a very nuance nature: Here's a short list.

1. You walk into the Beergarden and nearly every girl in there is eyeballing you. (you really just need a pulse) Then now and then through the corner of your eye you see a hottie (and they are in there sometimes) moving up a dozen seats to sit next to you. Not going to happen in London and not going to happen in New York.

2. The constant flirtiness of shop girls, some are among the cutest girls you will ever encounter, (no it doesn't mean anything as they are not pros) and I think its an Asian thing really, but its not bad.

3. Lets say you're 10 to 15 miles outside the city for whatever reason, perhaps you are at a Mall, and sometimes it seems like your the only Farang in the entire place. Yes, you do get attention and its pretty good sometimes.

4. You perhaps have a problem on the subway or wherever, getting the right stop or something and while you don't ask for help and can figure it out and what happens? Often pretty girls start helping you. No particular meaning, and some of these girls are very young, but they seem to get some kind of satisfaction that they successfully practiced their English skills and helped you. Sometimes these girls give you looks like you will never see in the west. Their eyes literally glisten. Its just not going to happen many other places.

5. Late late night in Go Go's just checking the talent, and hot girl walks up "you take me?" (No but its nice to be asked)

[Western787]

This makes a lot of sense!That's the simple version, but the biggest fans of Bangkok also seem to be more interested in treating P4P girls as (in a recreational sense at least but not in a naive way) as lovers instead of hookers. Its really the glass half full vs glass half empty debate in different form and it can color one's perception of the entire Bangkok experience. Those that take the cynical view I believe are going to be more cynical toward Bangkok itself. "Everything is about money, bang em, end of story, bring me the next ****."

[Hiihii]

Okay fellas, here's my report about my trip to Bangkok. I'm usually at the prague section of this forum, I do stop by here to check things out once in a while, get some info and all that, and this being a forum I'm going to be blunt and I'm not going to hold back, I think some of you bigger fans of Bangkok will want to destroy me after this, but I'll be fair in my review. I mean no place is perfect, and while Bangkok was ok, I found its reputation as the mongering capital of the world to be somewhat exaggerated. I will post the financial info in Dollars, somehow that makes it seem more cost effective. Because when I think of how much it costs to monger here or in europe, whatever I experienced in Bangkok, some good, and some bad, when it comes to the bad, considering how cheap it all was, it was okay then.

I got to say though, I did all I could to get a booking with goldie's, so much has been said about how great they are, but they just wouldn't fit me in their schedule. Also, while I did manage to speak to the dude on the phone, I suspect that something I said may have put me on their shit list. I don't know why I assumed paul kaush was the owners husband, I remember reading somewhere here the name of goldie's husband and I just assumed it was him because paul kausch speaks a lot about goldies. The dude on the other line said something about the international sex guide, and mere hours later I get an email from them telling me they won't be able to accommodate me..1. Using agencies is NOT the way to go.

2. I'm pretty you paid more than a Jap for your Rainbow 4 disaster. 7,000 baht for 4-5 hours?

3. Just based on looks of your girls- you definately overpaid.

4. I don't do long time. Rainbow 1 has a card with prices- 4,500 is long time. You pay way more than Japs pay.

[DRRonin]

DR Ronin, I like your post. It reflects ISG at it's best. Guys sharing knowledge, experiences and opinions. I'm going to offer some different opinions, which is not to say mine are right and yours are wrong. They're just different.

First, I think Bangkok is mostly hit and very little miss. Like you I've never had problems with taxis drivers, nor with waitresses, hotel employees, sales clerks and other civilian workers. I just remember where I am and how I should act if I want social interactions to go well. For me, that is part of the fun. I think the hotel accommodations are great value and the food is cheap and very good. My preferences with the ladies is where our opinions differ.

I recommend guys in town for the first time do their homework (ISG is one of many good sources of information, just do Google searches) and sample a little of everything. After a few visits you'll figure out what you prefer. There are a number of good mongering destinations around the world; and most cities of a decent size have at least some options; but for variety, quantity and value, I think Bangkok can't be beat.It is true that I should always preface any statement I make with a "For me" because we all like different things and in fact those things can change over time. When I was younger I was much more a point and click guy, she looks good, so let's go with a minimum of small talk and then on to the next one; especially on 2 week vacations. But as I have gotten older and moved here my M. O. Has changed considerably. The idea of going to a Goldfish Bowl and picking out a girl or choosing a girl from a photo on an escort service (even if you could find positive reviews on her) is just not where I am anymore. Message parlors to me are mechanical, predictable and industrial sex. I like spontaneity and not knowing what is going to happen. Sometimes that will work in your favor, often it will not.

I had a little experience in London doing escort services and they were all pretty good even if every one of the Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Singaporean girls turned out to be Thai's'! And in truth with prices going up here for go-go girls and freelancers, the escorts are not all that more expensive if you keep it to the 2-hour limit. But still I have heard so many stories that were negative from the wrong girl showing up, the photo being altered to take years and pounds off and add inches to her bosom to the girl giving crappy service and not even coming close to be willing to do all the services they claim to on the website. No doubt some escort agencies are better than others.

But now I like to know the girl before I do much. Maybe it's an age thing or maybe just jaded and wary. Even with go-go girls I will often buy them drinks a few times before I pay barfine, I have even taken them out to play pool or hit other bars and do nothing the first time. Time is something I have plenty of so I don't mind just hanging out and getting to know them. At least for me it has paid off royally because by the time we get around to sex there is a degree of friendship and intimacy that will rarely be there with a "you go short time" approach and the sex has been great that time and every time after. In a disco it is more hanging out with a girl you see for a few hours, drinking, dancing, talking before you even get around to business. A couple times I have been burnt by the girl asking for crazy money when we finally did but most of the time we never even talk money and again in most instances the sex has just been an extension from the good time we were having in the disco (and the girl being just a little bit drunk perhaps). But obviously people approach this differently and if it works for them great. It just didn't seem to work though for Newtown York so if he ever does come back he may need to go about things differently.

[AussieDoug]

I'll be arriving in BKK in 5days, this will be my 3rd trip to Thailand so I'm still kinda a newbie. Does anyone have advice with how to go about getting a girl for a few days, take her and yourself to a doctors get STD tested, if she's clean I want to bareback all vacation long. Thats truly my goal, I will never ever ever fuck one of these girls without them being tested (even tho here in the states, I've slipped up many a times with k-girls and some AMP girls, bareback but never caught anything). Are they receptive to this?It's a lucky dip, you can ask them to go away with you, they will not mind getting an STD test if you pay for it, and yes, many will bare back, and in most cases you will not catch anything. I have barebacked for the last 15 years or so, not caught anything that nasty in that time, a case of NSU once, and they are all happy to go. I once took a go go girl I had known since she started out at 16 to Club Med, but by then she was 23, and she beahved well and fitted in. If you want to take them away it will be easier if it is a resort style place, not a small hotel in the back blocks with a fan, but a real hotel with clean sheets and hot water and she will take good care of you. You will have to pay the bar fine for the days up front, and pay nothing else until the end of the trip, and then base it on days times a long time, and add a bit for a tip, after all you get 24 hours on call. The ones that will go more easily are mid 20's girls, they look good, still tight if no kids, and realise they are not getting as rich as they hoped, so might as well enjoy it.

[Goatscrot]

So true. A friend of mine who lived here in the early 00s once said,"Guys don't come to Bangkok to f*ck working girls; guys come to Bangkok to date working girls." He was spot on. Truth be told I was a bit disappointed my first trip to BKK. I was expecting sexually experienced nasty fun gals who were up for anything, and found pretty simple village gals, who even though they had been with lots of dudes, had very under-developed skill sets, were not kinky, and definitely did not know how to get into a Western dude's head psycho-sexually. But the ease of living here, the great food, and the sheer numbers available won me over. I also find Thai women easy to have relationships with and very ok with compartmentalization. As one friend said,"They are no up in your sh*t all the time."

[Member #4263]

I don't know where to post this but does Baccara offer non-alcholic, non-caffeinated drinks on the menu? The video on Nana shows the Billboard A Go Go menu and it only has soft drinks, but not sure I can order a mango juice. I'm sure they have water though.

[Jackalou1]

A few quick questions.

Is it true you only get one pop at the soapies? For 60-90, I would think you would at least get 2-3.

Can someone direct me to a detailed review of the BJ bars. How exactly do they work, and what is the best? I tried searching, but was overloaded.

Thanks

[Paul Kausch]

I don't know where to post this but does Baccara offer non-alcholic, non-caffeinated drinks on the menu? The video on Nana shows the Billboard A Go Go menu and it only has soft drinks, but not sure I can order a mango juice. I'm sure they have water though.All the bars serve water, soft drinks and juices. The later are also used in mixed drinks. Not sure about mango juice.

[Hiihii]

I'm sure number 15 at Rainbow is a nice girl. But OMG she is no means a stunner (a must see kind of girl).she does stand out though. Very thin, ass sticks out like a NEGRO African tribe woman-those you see on National Geographic specials. Big bolt ons-out of proportion to body size. Face is decent. Kind of reminds me of the last blow-up doll I bought.

[Paul Kausch]

I had a little experience in London doing escort services and they were all pretty good even if every one of the Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Singaporean girls turned out to be Thai's'!No kidding. Seems every Asia escort in the world is really from Thailand. ;) I think London escorts are the most expensive in the world. I forgot to mention, good escorts in Bangkok are a bargain.


But now I like to know the girl before I do much.Yes, I understand this. Also, it's fun to hunt the gogo girls and FLs. It's also nice to know by the end of the evening you will have bagged your prey.

[Phordphan]

So true. A friend of mine who lived here in the early 00s once said,"Guys don't come to Bangkok to f*ck working girls; guys come to Bangkok to date working girls." He was spot on. Truth be told I was a bit disappointed my first trip to BKK. I was expecting sexually experienced nasty fun gals who were up for anything, and found pretty simple village gals, who even though they had been with lots of dudes, had very under-developed skill sets, were not kinky, and definitely did not know how to get into a Western dude's head psycho-sexually. But the ease of living here, the great food, and the sheer numbers available won me over. I also find Thai women easy to have relationships with and very ok with compartmentalization. As one friend said,"They are no up in your sh*t all the time."Well put. With one or, maybe, two exceptions, all of the Thai gals I've known were very enthusiastic in bed, enjoyed sex a lot, but were pretty much, as you said, village gals. Several younger ones had never had a guy go down on them before, and one had never experienced an orgasm during sex despite having been married for several years to a Thai guy. The Cambodian ladies seemed a bit more adventurous to me. It seems the Thai ladies are more adept at activating what I like to call the western guy's "White Knight" syndrome. That's where U-turn into Captain Saveaho and rescue the fair damsel from a horrid life of debauchery. We've all been there. The fortunate ones have resisted the temptation.

Concerning gals who are up for anything, I must add that an experienced Latina can really rock one's world.

You're right about the sheer numbers. In SEA a western guy can barely step off the curb without landing in pussy.

[Member #4263]

had a little experience in London doing escort services and they were all pretty good even if every one of the Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Singaporean girls turned out to be Thai's'!Lived in London before, but you won't find any real Japanese or Korean there. All the Asian ones are Thai. You can find Chinese in Soho, but only in MP's.

I had the luck to do a half Spanish half Swedish escort, but she's the only one who is not Eastern European or Thai. I posted the agency and her link on the London forum some time ago. Check it out, she's like she is in the pics. No photoshop even if looks like it.

[Western787]

All the bars serve water, soft drinks and juices. The later are also used in mixed drinks. Not sure about mango juice.Actually many Go Go's including Rainbow 4 (same with Baccarra) do not offer water. And while they offer certain soft drinks, they don't complicate it with de-caff versions. Now the regular (pool) bars on Soi 4 seem to all offer water probably because they open in the AM, and have happy hour prices all the time anyways

[Western787]

It is true that I should always preface any statement I make with a "For me" because we all like different things and in fact those things can change over time. When I was younger I was much more a point and click guy, she looks good, so let's go with a minimum of small talk and then on to the next one; especially on 2 week vacations. But as I have gotten older and moved here my M. O. Has changed considerably. The idea of going to a Goldfish Bowl and picking out a girl or choosing a girl from a photo on an escort service (even if you could find positive reviews on her) is just not where I am anymore. Message parlors to me are mechanical, predictable and industrial sex. I like spontaneity and not knowing what is going to happen. Sometimes that will work in your favor, often it will not.

I had a little experience in London doing escort services and they were all pretty good even if every one of the Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Singaporean girls turned out to be Thai's'! And in truth with prices going up here for go-go girls and freelancers, the escorts are not all that more expensive if you keep it to the 2-hour limit. But still I have heard so many stories that were negative from the wrong girl showing up, the photo being altered to take years and pounds off and add inches to her bosom to the girl giving crappy service and not even coming close to be willing to do all the services they claim to on the website. No doubt some escort agencies are better than others.

But now I like to know the girl before I do much. Maybe it's an age thing or maybe just jaded and wary. Even with go-go girls I will often buy them drinks a few times before I pay barfine, I have even taken them out to play pool or hit other bars and do nothing the first time. Time is something I have plenty of so I don't mind just hanging out and getting to know them. At least for me it has paid off royally because by the time we get around to sex there is a degree of friendship and intimacy that will rarely be there with a "you go short time" approach and the sex has been great that time and every time after. In a disco it is more hanging out with a girl you see for a few hours, drinking, dancing, talking before you even get around to business. A couple times I have been burnt by the girl asking for crazy money when we finally did but most of the time we never even talk money and again in most instances the sex has just been an extension from the good time we were having in the disco (and the girl being just a little bit drunk perhaps). But obviously people approach this differently and if it works for them great. It just didn't seem to work though for Newtown York so if he ever does come back he may need to go about things differently.Your post reflects the qualitatively different and often better experience of living in Bangkok (or in and out of Bangkok all the time) vs guys coming for perhaps 2 weeks once or twice year. IMHO from the vantage point of the working girl its the (real or not) prospect of potential steady business going forward that makes them change their rules a lot more vs the (typical or average at least) shortterm visitor.

[Phordphan]

Actually many Go Go's including Rainbow 4 (and I believe same with Baccarra) do not offer water. And while they offer certain soft drinks, they don't complicate it with de-caff versions. Now the regular (pool) bars on Soi 4 seem to all offer water probably because they open in the AM, and have happy hour prices all the time anywaysI"ve never had a problem ordering "naam soda" at a go-go. It may not be exactly what the OP had in mind, but it'll do.

[Paul Kausch]

Actually many Go Go's including Rainbow 4 (same with Baccarra) do not offer water. And while they offer certain soft drinks, they don't complicate it with de-caff versions. Now the regular (pool) bars on Soi 4 seem to all offer water probably because they open in the AM, and have happy hour prices all the time anywaysI always order soda water. Never asked for still water. Every gogo I've ever been in has had that; and that includes several of the Rainbows, Baccarra and many other venues. This only makes sense. Cola, orange juice, soda water, these are used in mixed drinks.

[FreebieFan]

2 posts and both highly critical of someone elses judgement. Great contributions sir. Ever heard the term " waste of bandwidth ".

[Margaya]

I don't know where to post this but does Baccara offer non-alcholic, non-caffeinated drinks on the menu? The video on Nana shows the Billboard A Go Go menu and it only has soft drinks, but not sure I can order a mango juice. I'm sure they have water though.I don't drink myself and visit Baccara regularly. Yes they do serve coke / pepsi etc and this time in Pattaya I even noticed mango juice on menu. But there was a little problem in Pattaya with my order of coke. It tasted a bit flat, smelled lightly. After 4th sip I decided to investigate the bill and it read Vodka. Never had any issues in Bangkok.

[Paul Kausch]

2 posts and both highly critical of someone elses judgement. Great contributions sir. Ever heard the term " waste of bandwidth ".I don't see any critical, let alone highly critical, posts in the last couple of pages. Which posts are you referring to?

[FreebieFan]

I don't see any critical, let alone highly critical, posts in the last couple of pages. Which posts are you referring to?By good member Hihi. Or maybe he should be byebye.

[Paul Kausch]

By good member Hihi. Or maybe he should be byebye.I thought they were attempts at comedy.

[Western787]

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[Western787]

"I'm sure number 15 at Rainbow is a nice girl. But OMG she is no means a stunner (a must see kind of girl).she does stand out though. Very thin, ass sticks out like a NEGRO African tribe woman-those you see on National Geographic specials. Big bolt ons-out of proportion to body size. Face is decent. Kind of reminds me of the last blow-up doll I bought."

#15 certainly is a stunner and she looks drop dead beautiful in street clothes also. A definite head spinner even in a city loaded with beauties.

So which dancer would YOU define as a stunner at Rainbow 4 then? What #37 ? Is she the "superstar" you've alluded to many times in the past? And is she the one you barfined something like 19 times in a row last year?

[Western787]

Saturday night update. Rainbow 4 was graced with the presence of number 37 w / o a customer for 20 minutes. Actually she came back from a barfine but I got to say hello and feel a nipple. LOL. Other than that nothig, the hot girls still didn't show up.

Surprise of the night-Rainbow 2 was hopping, guys barfining and all. Good to see. Still the fuglies not getting much love.

Asked a girl short time price- she was emphatic. 2500! No if and or butts!Ok, #37 IS your "superstar"

[Hiihii]

Ok, #37 IS your "superstar"The market defines superstars, not an individual. I think old 37 who is now 4 is it. Look on topless side-she stands out!

I'm up to a lot higher than 19 times. Num. 15 is popular with farangs and you know what they like. They like them down and dirtty!

What I'm trying to do is define superstar. One who every now and then gets pulled off stage is no superstar. A star gets called off 8 out of 10 times while on stage.

[Western787]

pretty bar girls, hot waitresses, good tables, but watch out for Manchester United "fans" being dropped off at Morning Night Bar for their afternoon pool games.

http://img.neoseeker.com/screenshots/TW92aWVzL0NvbWVkeQ==/eurotrip_image8.jpg

[Paul Kausch]

A few hours ago Suthep announced every protest site except Lumpini will be shut down and all the blocked roads will be cleared. He expressed a desire to return the roads to all his Bangkok brothers and sisters and apologized for the inconvenience. :rolleyes:

[Traveler1234]

A few hours ago Suthep announced every protest site except Lumpini will be shut down and all the blocked roads will be cleared. He expressed a desire to return the roads to all his Bangkok brothers and sisters and apologized for the inconvenience. :rolleyes:He's consolidating for pure security reasons. Lumpini Park is located strategically within 'friendly' territory, with less chance of red-shirt snipers having access to fire / launch grenades! This unfortunately might mean a turn for the worse.

[Western787]

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[Paul Kausch]

He's consolidating for pure security reasons. Lumpini Park is located strategically within 'friendly' territory, with less chance of red-shirt snipers having access to fire / launch grenades! This unfortunately might mean a turn for the worse.Also the numbers of protesters are down. The military is now offering protection. He may have agreed on this arrangement with it. Why do you think it may mean a turn for the worse?

[Syzygies]

I always order soda water. Never asked for still water. Every gogo I've ever been in has had that; and that includes several of the Rainbows, Baccarra and many other venues. This only makes sense. Cola, orange juice, soda water, these are used in mixed drinks.Agreed. I also drink Soda. Coke Light is available but not decaffeinated. Thai orange juice is very high in sugar, so I don't recommend it. Pineapple juice may be lower.

[Western787]

Interesting video most likely taken around 7:30 to 8 pm looking south bound on Soi 4 in front of Stumble Inn which happens to show a fair amount of Go Go Girls running errands and so forth before Nana Plaza clubs gets going. I actually see some Rainbow girls including (blonde stunner) #15 from Rainbow 4 who shows up at 4:46 in the black dress with peace sign logo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE-BmAvblbY

[Hiihii]

Interesting video most likely taken around 7:30 to 8 pm looking south bound on Soi 4 in front of Stumble Inn which happens to show a fair amount of Go Go Girls running errands and so forth before Nana Plaza clubs gets going. I actually see some Rainbow girls including (blonde stunner) #15 from Rainbow 4 who shows up at 4:46 in the black dress with peace sign logo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE-BmAvblbYI'm thinking this fella has some of business relationship with this girl. Maybe bought her somekind of shop and is promoting girl to make more money so he can recoup bahts.

If you want to promote girl give positive attributes. Pricing would help, discounts for multiples sessions? Does she take it up the ass? Bareback? GFE? Porn star? Cum in eyes? 2 Man one girl?

I know what #15 looks like and no way would I be able to point her out at 4. 46 wo his identification.

Just run of the mill avg girl with Unsightly boob job.

I saw myself at 3.00-4.00 mark. LOL.

[Monomensch]

http://youtu.be/HyaEY8lFidc

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[Western787]

I'm thinking this fella has some of business relationship with this girl. Maybe bought her somekind of shop and is promoting girl to make more money so he can recoup bahts.

If you want to promote girl give positive attributes. Pricing would help, discounts for multiples sessions? Does she take it up the ass? Bareback? GFE? Porn star? Cum in eyes? 2 Man one girl?

I know what #15 looks like and no way would I be able to point her out at 4. 46 wo his identification.

Just run of the mill avg girl with Unsightly boob job.

I saw myself at 3. 00-4. 00 mark. LOL.No business relationship at all, not even a single barfine. Some dancers are very good stage performers, and #15 is one, and while I might give her a stage tip once in awhile, I have zero interest in barfining her. I don't like TATS, nor do I want a western look, nor do I seek out Go Go stunners per se, and IMHO she certainly meets the definition, but I do appreciate her very sexy stage moves.

These girls are among other things entertainers, and Rainbow 4 with their excellent music selections helps enhance these dancer peformances and the overall club vibe. Here's one of their catchy often played House tracks many may have heard in R4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq6gtFjZkq4

[Kkreeac]

Good evening Gents,

I've read back a couple of pages, but I've not found anything specific enough.

Basically what I'm wondering is if the political situation has had a major impact on the normal nana and soi cowboy scene. Aside from possibly fewer tourists in the area, are the gogo bars still business as usual, or have some or the lot of them shut?

Thanks for the help

Stay safe and play safe.

Kkreeac

[Paul Kausch]

In this week's Stickman man column, he writes: "A handful of readers have asked why I shirk mentioning the Bangkok gogo bar most popular with expats in recent months. It's not Bacarra and nor is it Rainbow 4, still the two busiest chrome pole houses. This particular venue is easily the most popular with expats in the know with all sorts of stuff happening right in the bar. Some say it is the closest to how the bars were in the '90s. I won't mention the name of the venue in this column because of a problem with numbers. I will say no more."

Curious, uninformed minds wonder, what he is talking about?

[Syzygies]

In this week's Stickman man column, he writes: "A handful of readers have asked why I shirk mentioning the Bangkok gogo bar most popular with expats in recent months. It's not Bacarra and nor is it Rainbow 4, still the two busiest chrome pole houses. This particular venue is easily the most popular with expats in the know with all sorts of stuff happening right in the bar. Some say it is the closest to how the bars were in the '90s. I won't mention the name of the venue in this column because of a problem with numbers. I will say no more."

Curious, uninformed minds wonder, what he is talking about?Could be Crazy House. It tends to get very full although they could overflow to upstairs. Suzi Wong also gets very full at times.

[Syzygies]

Interesting video most likely taken around 7:30 to 8 pm looking south bound on Soi 4 in front of Stumble Inn which happens to show a fair amount of Go Go Girls running errands and so forth before Nana Plaza clubs gets going. I actually see some Rainbow girls including (blonde stunner) #15 from Rainbow 4 who shows up at 4:46 in the black dress with peace sign logo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE-BmAvblbYReally I fail to see how this video is of any interest other than to show what Thai working girls look like in the street if you don't know. Glad I don't appear In a video like this. It shows the dangers that you could be filmed anywhere. I don't like "House" and the sort of "music" played at R4. Don't like siliconised girls much too. Guess I'm just trying to find what it was like 20 years ago. getting back to the sex, did you find any girl worth doing?

[Hiihii]

No business relationship at all, not even a single barfine. Some dancers are very good stage performers, and #15 is one, and while I might give her a stage tip once in awhile, I have zero interest in barfining her. I don't like TATS, nor do I want a western look, nor do I seek out Go Go stunners per se, and IMHO she certainly meets the definition, but I do appreciate her very sexy stage moves.

These girls are among other things entertainers, and Rainbow 4 with their excellent music selections helps enhance these dancer peformances and the overall club vibe. Here's one of their catchy often played House tracks many may have heard in R4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq6gtFjZkq4I don't get you.

1. I don't recall that tune being played often.

2. The girls on stage look very uninspiring. Theres a reason many refere to it as the BKK shuffle.

3. Is it possible you have R4 mixed up with another bar. Conceptually they all the same.

[ConquerorVal]

http://youtu.be/HyaEY8lFidc

Enjoy!Should be in the Pattaya thread but, definitely a fun video. Love the song. I guess its from the Fallang Blues CD. Not once in the week I stayed in Pattaya did anybody say to me "hey sexy man". I guess I must be past my prime.

[El Flaco]

In this week's Stickman man column, he writes: "A handful of readers have asked why I shirk mentioning the Bangkok gogo bar most popular with expats in recent months. It's not Bacarra and nor is it Rainbow 4, still the two busiest chrome pole houses. This particular venue is easily the most popular with expats in the know with all sorts of stuff happening right in the bar. Some say it is the closest to how the bars were in the '90s. I won't mention the name of the venue in this column because of a problem with numbers. I will say no more."

Curious, uninformed minds wonder, what he is talking about?He wanted to take No. 16, easily a 9, and be waived barfine in exchange to raving about the bar in his column. They offered No. 22, a 4 at the most. No deal on numbers and no naming!

Not unlikely I'd say.

[Hiihii]

He wanted to take No. 16, easily a 9, and be waived barfine in exchange to raving about the bar in his column. They offered No. 22, a 4 at the most. No deal on numbers and no naming!

Not unlikely I'd say.Sticks colums are a good read. His recommendations are Shit! I suspect he is paid to mention certain places. He even recommends places where there are no customers-I wonder why.

Really a disservice to clueless like mr Paul. Who apparently believs anything.

[Western787]

I don't get you.

1. I don't recall that tune being played often.

2. The girls on stage look very uninspiring. Theres a reason many refere to it as the BKK shuffle.

3. Is it possible you have R4 mixed up with another bar. Conceptually they all the same.Perhaps sometimes Harold, dancers find certain repeat customers particularly uninspiring, depressing, cynical, dour, boring, and cranky, so maybe their stage dances reflect that at times. I say cut them some slack.

[Western787]

Really I fail to see how this video is of any interest other than to show what Thai working girls look like in the street if you don't know. Glad I don't appear In a video like this. It shows the dangers that you could be filmed anywhere. I don't like "House" and the sort of "music" played at R4. Don't like siliconised girls much too. Guess I'm just trying to find what it was like 20 years ago. getting back to the sex, did you find any girl worth doing?You fail to see the relevance? Let me explain it to you: Harold a few days back claimed #15 at R4 is nowhere near being a stunner, but instead only reminded him of his blowup doll. Since many readers have no idea what this girl looks like one way or the other, when I happened to come across a video showing various Go Go girls walking on Soi 4 which also had a reasonably clear shot of #15, I posted it to let others judge.

Except for Mai #196, I've not found much in Rainbow 4 in terms of looks, vibrant personality, and English skills, but that said there are always many lovely girls in the club. Rainbow 4 is a great entertainment venue and I believe one of the best Go Go's in Bangkok, but on any given night there are 1000's of girls available elsewhere, most at more reasonable prices.

[Tiradentes]

http://youtu.be/HyaEY8lFidc

Enjoy!7:53 to 8:10. That is exactly why I don't DFK Thai women.

[Western787]

In this week's Stickman man column, he writes: "A handful of readers have asked why I shirk mentioning the Bangkok gogo bar most popular with expats in recent months. It's not Bacarra and nor is it Rainbow 4, still the two busiest chrome pole houses. This particular venue is easily the most popular with expats in the know with all sorts of stuff happening right in the bar. Some say it is the closest to how the bars were in the '90s. I won't mention the name of the venue in this column because of a problem with numbers. I will say no more."

Curious, uninformed minds wonder, what he is talking about?Hard to tell, but I like his reports overall. And I see his escort story. Note some girls are supposedly making 200, 000 bahts per month and that's at a regular agency, with many over time permanently taken by customers outside the business. I see the word "engaged?" I guess these guys are marrying just a higher level bar girl?. Or probably more like mistress arrangements.

What's also amazing is there is a reference to ultra hot off-agency private escorts who per the story are only available to rich Thais (no Japs or Chinese either apparently) so I guess they are making even more money as the woman says these guys will pay anything for beauty.

Lot of these (legit) models in town must be doing some serious side work

It does make one wonder how for example Terminal 21 front desk girls (some drop dead beauties) can work at such low pay, but most probably have a rich Thai boyfriend providing a luxurious day to day lifestyle. While in the west easily its 99% of young women vs lets say 95% Bangkok that rule out P4P, obviously most young women consider getting paid to have sex with strangers totally repulsive and something they would never never consider. Particularly in Bangkok now with so many rich Thais available to make them into legit girlfriends.

[Paul Kausch]

Hard to tell, but I like his reports overall. And I see his escort story.

It does make one wonder how for example Terminal 21 front desk girls (some drop dead beauties) can work at such low pay, but most probably have a rich Thai boyfriend providing a luxurious day to day lifestyle. While in the west easily its 99% of young women vs lets say 95% Bangkok that rule out P4P, obviously most young women consider getting paid to have sex with strangers totally repulsive and something they would never never consider. Particularly in Bangkok now with so many rich Thais available to make them into legit girlfriends.I've been reading his weekly articles for a few years. Some ISG members seem to dislike him. I find some of his articles interesting and helpful. I am growing tired of his threats to leave the LOS, with yet another article about that yesterday. I wonder if he just whips out one of those when he hasn't bothered to put together a real article.

In my experience there is a big difference between the average gogo girl and a good escort. Of course I am comparing an average in one category to a good in the other. I restrict my comparison to good escorts because as I've posted several times in the past many escort agencies are really booking agencies for MP girls. Stickman made the same statement in his article. Compare the MP ladies to some of the escort agencies girls and some are one in the same, though the names may change. This is why I recommend using either a good escort agency or booking a good MP for overnight outcall directly through the MP.

I think it's common knowledge that some of the shop and office ladies moonlight for extra money. Guys who have the time to do some serious hunting and practice real pickup skills have successes looking for young ladies in the shops and malls. I've picked up ladies in nice hotel bars who have good jobs, speak English very well, along with one or two other languages and travel on business. A couple have said they worked in industries I knew well enough to ask questions only someone working in that industry would know. They checked out.

A number of years ago I got very lucky once. A prominent Thai businessman I knew hooked me up with a "date" for a dinner with several other Thai business men and their girlfriends. This same guy introduced me to the fancy Thai-centric soapy MPs. At any rate it turned out my date was a Thai soap opera actress. She had a minor but recurring part and did commercials: magazines, billboards and TV. She was beautiful. Spoke almost no English, but dinner conversation was segregated by gender. As for the sex, it was okay, but not spectacular. Definitely not PSE. I think she tried to make it GFE, but as many of you know it is not natural for Thai ladies to engage in a lot of heavy petting that makes extensive use of the mouth.

[Hiihii]

You fail to see the relevance? Let me explain it to you: Harold a few days back claimed #15 at R4 is nowhere near being a stunner, but instead only reminded him of his blowup doll. Since many readers have no idea what this girl looks like one way or the other, when I happened to come across a video showing various Go Go girls walking on Soi 4 which also had a reasonably clear shot of #15, I posted it to let others judge.

Except for Mai #196, I've not found much in Rainbow 4 in terms of looks, vibrant personality, and English skills, but that said there are always many lovely girls in the club. Rainbow 4 is a great entertainment venue and I believe one of the best Go Go's in Bangkok, but on any given night there are 1000's of girls available elsewhere, most at more reasonable prices.Make up your mind. Before it was stunners as far as the eye could see. Now you don't see much. There hasn't much to look at at R 4 for quite some time now.

The high season that never was is now gone. What a disappointment.

[Western787]

I've been reading his weekly articles for a few years. Some ISG members seem to dislike him. I find some of his articles interesting and helpful. I am growing tired of his threats to leave the LOS, with yet another article about that yesterday. I wonder if he just whips out one of those when he hasn't bothered to put together a real article.

In my experience there is a big difference between the average gogo girl and a good escort. Of course I am comparing an average in one category to a good in the other. I restrict my comparison to good escorts because as I've posted several times in the past many escort agencies are really booking agencies for MP girls. Stickman made the same statement in his article. Compare the MP ladies to some of the escort agencies girls and some are one in the same, though the names may change. This is why I recommend using either a good escort agency or booking a good MP for overnight outcall directly through the MP.

I think it's common knowledge that some of the shop and office ladies moonlight for extra money. Guys who have the time to do some serious hunting and practice real pickup skills have successes looking for young ladies in the shops and malls. I've picked up ladies in nice hotel bars who have good jobs, speak English very well, along with one or two other languages and travel on business. A couple have said they worked in industries I knew well enough to ask questions only someone working in that industry would know. They checked out.

A number of years ago I got very lucky once. A prominent Thai businessman I knew hooked me up with a "date" for a dinner with several other Thai business men and their girlfriends. This same guy introduced me to the fancy Thai-centric soapy MPs. At any rate it turned out my date was a Thai soap opera actress. She had a minor but recurring part and did commercials: magazines, billboards and TV. She was beautiful. Spoke almost no English, but dinner conversation was segregated by gender. As for the sex, it was okay, but not spectacular. Definitely not PSE. I think she tried to make it GFE, but as many of you know it is not natural for Thai ladies to engage in a lot of heavy petting that makes extensive use of the mouth.My guess is that the pictures are honest. They makeup the girls, light them properly, and take real photos without then photoshopping it, as that's the only way to be honest about the process. However how with only 9 girls can they claim to be the most successful agency in Bangkok? I even had at least one girl out of Beergarden both younger and equally as hot as probably 6 of the 9 girls pictured, and with good English skills. So something here doesn't make any sense. Now that particular Beergarden girl was in the in the semi pro market which as I said it much easier to understand and benefit from when you are her either in Bangkok very frequently or all the time. Now in regard to the agency owner, what did make sense is she said Indians were a lot of her clients, and I can understand why that might happen. But them she tries to claim she doesn't know what the current client mix is? That's not credible at all.

Yes, I understand many escort services are merely massage parlor girls who sometimes go out, and that's the difference between real agencies vs not so good services. A lot of agency customer I believe are very time constricted, and that's why i guess they go that route in the first place.

[Western787]

I think she tried to make it GFE, but as many of you know it is not natural for Thai ladies to engage in a lot of heavy petting that makes extensive use of the mouth.In regard to kissing, and I verified this with a number of Thai girls, even in serious legit (real life) Thai boyfriend-girlfriend situations full mouth kissing either LFK (close to the traditional Hollywood style romantic mouth to mouth kissing) or DFK is not all that common. They kiss on the cheek and combine it with a sort smelling their loved one, same in Cambodia.

However there is an emerging trend toward full mouth kissing with younger people in Thailand willing to experiment with western practices. Kissing in fact is far safer than many realize, and of course by definition is BB. And many (50% in my experience) Thai P4P types will engage in it if you treat them with respect and are clean shaven. With some you can sense the newness to them, and many are at least low 8 level beauties who have kept their modesty given the sheer numbers of high 8's and 9's running around Bangkok, and this makes kissing them that much better as normally you are at least a few times complimenting them about their beauty (in a real sense as these girls are actually quite pretty in absolute terms). So kissing goes together very well with that. Of course when you kiss 9 plus level P4P gorgeous girls, its not bad either, but better in the less frequent cases where girls have not quite figured out how beautiful they really are.

[Bunky]

[The "hello girls" outside Soi Cowboy bars are] a deliberate deception. [They] look like G club quality, the inference being they are between dance sets and thus ready to go back to the club and available to be barfined. In fact they are (barely legal if even that) young teens acting purely as touts. This is certainly relevant to a discussion of the merits of Soi Cowboy vs Nana. When you see hotties hanging outside Rainbow 4 in Nana Plaza, those girls *are* available. Many Soi Cowboy girls hanging outside are not even "Coyotes" which by definition are girls that DANCE but don't normally (with some exceptions) barfine.Perceptive commentary from Mr. 787.

I had read numerous online reports about the downfall of Soi Cowboy since my last visit in 2010, and in January I saw it for myself.

To my horror, I saw that it is now a destination for falang tourists who aren't even close to interested in the pay-to-play scene. I saw all manner of couples strolling up and down. I even saw single falang women.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

At least on Walking Street in Pattaya there are 'civilian' restaurants and bars. But Soi Cowboy is a tiny little block which has virtually nothing to recommend it unless you're a naughty boy. With everything else there is to see in Bangkok, why come there at night?

The tourists gawked at the punters and the girls like they were visiting a zoo.

The bars now cater to the Looky Loos by setting up outdoor seating. Why would you pay 180 baht for a beer to sit on the sidewalk and judge the guys scuttling by? I even saw civilians *inside* the clubs. Again, what's the fucking point?

'Oh look Nell, that woman has comically large breasts! '

'Indeed! And look at the poor dear sitting with that portly bald gentleman. He's old enough to be her father! '

For their part the naughty boys seemed to be staying away in droves. Granted it was the middle of the week and the political unrest had just started to break out. But when the legendary Baccara is empty that tells you the punters have voted with their feet.

With respect to the 'hello girls' any guy who's spent more than five minutes in any red light district anywhere on the planet will state with categorical assurance venues that offer value for money don't need hawkers or barkers. On the contrary, the wise punter steers clear of any joint employing them because once you're inside it's almost certain to be a clip joint. The emergence of these girls touting the bars they stand in front of is distressing, to say the least.

I made the rounds, drinking a single beer at several different places. There were a handful of decent girls at Baccara. If somebody put a gun to my head and forced me to go with a Soi Cowboy girl, I would have probably pulled from there. Tilac had enough girls on stage to get me to sit down and buy a beer, but after five minutes I realized the lineup was devoid of talent. Several of the girls were total cows.

My last stop was at a club I'd never heard of, I think it was the Cowboy 2. The lineup was lousy in there as well, but there was one girl who was absolutely stunning. She was supermodel tall and toned, with a gorgeous face that suggested her father might be falang. She was sitting with a younger chap who looked like a military guy. Good on you soldier.

All in all, Soi Cowboy V2014 struck me as a place *FAR* past its prime, a place squeezing out a little money from people who wouldn't have come near it back in its heyday, a place coasting on its naughty reputation even as those who appreciate naughty have abandoned it.

It reminded me a little of New Orleans in the late 80s and early 90s, a place pretending to be dangerous, but really just smelly and expensive.

I spent the rest of my time in town enjoying Nana Plaza and the scene on Soi 4.

Bunky

[Western787]

I had read numerous online reports about the downfall of Soi Cowboy since my last visit in 2010, and in January I saw it for myself.I was talking to an american, and this guy is low 30's, very good looking, and in an extremely high paid profession, so he had the bahts on him, and he told me when he approached one of the young lovelies in November outside one of the Soi Cowboy bars and inquired about the barfine, he was told by her it was 10, 000 bahts. I guess he wanted an 18 year old at that particular moment, but wisely rejected such a nonsensical fee.

LOL, I am guessing a more typical sex tourist might get a 20,000 baht barfine quote.

By the way some of these young girls that look like G club level quality from a distance, are many times just scrawny teens up close

[Paul Kausch]

However how with only 9 girls can they claim to be the most successful agency in Bangkok?

Yes, I understand many escort services are merely massage parlor girls who sometimes go out, and that's the difference between real agencies vs not so good services. A lot of agency customer I believe are very time constricted, and that's why I guess they go that route in the first place.I also thought that was a ridiculous statement. I think they are reliable and reputable, and the ladies are exclusive to them. I have referred a few ISG members to them. I got good feedback from these guys about the ladies. However, there are other agencies that are at least as good.

Over the years I've seen a lot of escorts in various countries. I used to travel a lot on business. I wanted a lady I knew I would be pleased with show up in my room for a few hours of fun and maybe as a dinner companion. Price wasn't an issue. Work and travel took up almost all my time, so when I had an evening or a Sunday to myself, I would want to take advantage of it. I didn't want to waste time. Good escorts are ideal for this. Some were regulars who I would see whenever I was in town. In a new city I might see an escort recommended to me, sometimes by an escort I knew in another city.

[Phordphan]

7:53 to 8:10. That is exactly why I don't DFK Thai women.Jeez, they're just grasshoppers. Never eaten chapulines?

[Paul Kausch]

However there is an emerging trend toward full mouth kissing with younger people in Thailand willing to experiment with western practices.My date was a number of years ago. I'm under the impression Thai ladies who try DFK discover they enjoy it. Same with DATY.

[Western787]

Jeez, they're just grasshoppers. Never eaten chapulines? :DLOL, if one is worried about what has previously been in a girls mouth or what she has actually disgested, and you think about each item or substance we might as well become a Monk as its not a pretty picture. Just think of Cinderella before you kiss them.

[Western787]

My date was a number of years ago. I'm under the impression Thai ladies who try DFK discover they enjoy it. Same with DATY.I think that is 100% correct. True story just recently,"nice girl" P4P type, among other thingsshe takes no shower and minus shoes jumps into bed in hotel with full street clothes on, under the covers, then later confirms she doesn't offer oral, but then after backrubbing me, I say "OK I massage YOU now, with my mouth" (as I point to my mouth then her pussy). All of a sudden her head is nodding like 3 times, in effect yes yes yes.

This girl does kiss, the one thing I asked for up front and her jumping in bed was accompanied by her lips being readied and was on her side awaiting me, not bad, and of course she does do FS. A very pretty and slender and feminine girl. One you'd probably never see in a P4P situation in the west, and her one flaw? Discolored teeth, and therefore needed teeth veneers or caps. In the USA it would be unheard of for a 23 old girl like this to not have her teeth fixed by that age. Its partly why Thai girls are the way they are, many have not been spoiled yet,

[Western787]

In the new Stickman escort agency article, the claims being made make absolutely no sense.

Now this agency apparently only handles about 9 girls, yet one would think it was the Pentagon War Room by saying "a bank of computers are against one wall, monitors displaying studio photos of pretty girls, some in their finery, some in, well, not much at all. Strewn over the table in front of us are mobile phones and seldom is there any quiet time when one isn't ringing. Some of the same pretty ladies in the glamour photos are sitting on a sofa beside me. One has a sultry look seemingly permanently etched on her face and whenever I look at her, her eyes glow. If we were in a bar, I'd say she was giving me the glad eye. But we're not in a bar. We're in the outskirts of Bangkok, in a huge studio condo of a few hundred square metres. There is sexual energy in the air. I'm sitting in the nerve centre of BangkokEscort. Com, an escort agency that has emerged as perhaps the leading agency of its type in Bangkok."

So phones ring constantly all day for a small agency even though the owner admits business is 50% off, and this in arguably the world's biggest P4P market (itself lacking customers) and one offering hot P4P girls everywhere you look.

Perhaps there are a lot of desperate horny Indian guy who have banned from every other venue in Bangkok and Pattaya, so they are left to make 1000's of inbound calls a day focused on this one agency. I guess that is possible.

Then the owner proclaims "Cherry" as the most popular girl. That doesn't make sense either. Ok I am sure she is a nice person but anyone with 1500 bahts could do better tonight in Nana Parking Lot.

[Phordphan]

my date was a number of years ago. i'm under the impression thai ladies who try dfk discover they enjoy it. same with daty.my experience with a not insubstantial number of thai ladies, ranging from late teens to early 40s, is that very few of them are good kissers. it truly doesn't seem to be part of the culture for all but perhaps the youngest. now most of them tended to like it, but obviously had little practical experience. my current gf (only one previous farang bf and one jap or korean, i don't remember which) does like it, but it's a rather sloppy affair, overall. i only ever met one lady who not only enjoyed it but was very skillful. she worked a small bar in cm, cute but not the best looker and, unfortunately, was most likely ****. :(

if these girls were learning from farang, it's obvious that you guys are terrible kissers, too! :d

the daty thing is absolutely true. those from strong buddhist backgrounds have little experience in it. thai guys won't do it (don't know about the younger generation). i had one lady once refuse, then relent somewhat, telling me how much it was against her buddhist upbringing. but most seem to really dig it once they experience it a couple of times.

[AsianRider]

In the new Stickman escort agency article, the claims being made make absolutely no sense.

Now this agency apparently only handles about 9 girls, yet one would think it was the Pentagon War Room by saying "a bank of computers are against one wall, monitors displaying studio photos of pretty girls, some in their finery, some in, well, not much at all. Strewn over the table in front of us are mobile phones and seldom is there any quiet time when one isn't ringing. Some of the same pretty ladies in the glamour photos are sitting on a sofa beside me. One has a sultry look seemingly permanently etched on her face and whenever I look at her, her eyes glow. If we were in a bar, I'd say she was giving me the glad eye. But we're not in a bar. We're in the outskirts of Bangkok...They are advertisers on his his website, so no doubt he uses a bit of poetic licence when writing about them. And Cherry I thought, looked very average.

[Paul Kausch]

My experience with a not insubstantial number of Thai ladies, ranging from late teens to early 40s, is that very few of them are good kissers.Pim, one of Bangkok Gold's escorts, whom I've seen several times, is one of the best kissers I've ever had the pleasure of locking lips and entwining tongues with. She is a rare exception.

[Daddy San]

Yesterday morning, while walking the 100 m from my hotel to Sukhumvit with my GF of the previous night. 3 different thai louts followed us and called 'things' after my GF.

Even though I did not understand a single word, just by the sound of it, it definitely did not sound nice, as the unhappy look on my GF's face confirmed.
At first, she didn't want to tell what the men had been calling, but finally admitted that they had been calling her names, of which "Falang Holiday Wh*o*re" was the nicest.

With the Sukhumvit area practically 'living' off sex services provided to tourists and from what I thought to know about Thai women's attitude towards sex c.q. prostitution, I am surprised at such open animosity towards one of their own.

I would be interested to hear from other members (preferably only those, who know what they are talking about) , of similar experiences and of the Thai society's attitude towards Thai-falang p4p relationsships in general.

[ChoduMadan]

I have been to Bangkok several times in last 10 years and have been always staying at the Sukhumvit area, and never had such an experience or have never heard about any such incidences at any time, It seems there was some silly single guy just annoyed and was following you and did such a rude thing, anyway I would like to know what time did this happen was it very late at night or so.

[Daddy San]

Hi guys,

Now that my time in BKK is up, I would like to recommend one of my this year's nicest fucks.

She has sweetened several nights for me and made it seem as if she was having just a much fun as I was.
Now since I am a "Romeo, long past exiration date", that is not something many ladies succeed in, even in LOS.
She is 27 and definitely not a spinner. Her fantastic tits overflow her D-size bra and she should loose 5-10 kg.
But just wait until you are holding onto her bum in doggy, with ALL options "up-to-you".
Not recommended for you mongers with a weak heart!

Aside from pure sex, she speaks reasonable English and above all she is fun to be with and just NICE.

She works at an MP on Suk soi 1, about 100m from Suk on the left hand (i.e. West) side. The MP is called ONS (I think) , but their number in in the pic. But unless you want to 'try before you buy' at the shop (strictly no FS there) , you'll want to call her directly.

She has given me permission to publish her number and the attached pic. The other juicy pics I keep for myself, as a matter of principle.

Her name is Rose.
Her number is 08 3015 5923.

Have fun and be nice to her.

DS

[Mr Enternational]

Yesterday morning, while walking the 100 m from my hotel to Sukhumvit with my GF of the previous night. 3 different thai louts followed us and called 'things' after my GF.

Even though I did not understand a single word, just by the sound of it, it definitely did not sound nice, as the unhappy look on my GF's face confirmed.

At first, she didn't want to tell what the men had been calling, but finally admitted that they had been calling her names, of which "Falang Holiday Wh*o*re" was the nicest.

With the Sukhumvit area practically 'living' off sex services provided to tourists and from what I thought to know about Thai women's attitude towards sex see. Q. Prostitution, I am surprised at such open animosity towards one of their own.

I would be interested to hear from other members (preferably only those, who know what they are talking about) , of similar experiences and of the Thai society's attitude towards Thai-falang p4p relationsships in general.I'm guessing what you "know about Thai women's attitude towards sex and prostitution" is all wrong. Do you know any Thai women outside of P4P? If you do, then all you have to do is ask them their take. Their attitude towards hookers is the same as everyone else's in the world. That is that they are lazy low-lives who are looking for the easy way out; not the way P4P guys want to see them as the poor little girl who has to get money for her family.

I have entertained many non-P4P women in the Suk area with nary a problem. What you have to realize is that although everyone looks the same to you, the locals know a hooker from a normal woman. There was a guy in the Rio de Janeiro thread recently who talked about how he had taken a good looking hooker to a nice restaurant and everyone so was jealous because they kept looking. I'm like dude, they were not looking because they were jealous or because she was good-looking; they were looking because they knew she was a hooker. But you were so blinded with hearts in your eyes that you did not realize that. We come on sites like this and all people talk about is paying chicks for sex. After so much time, we take that as the norm and consider the rest of the world who aren't paying or getting paid for sex as the weird ones.

Did you pay this woman? Are you on holiday? If so, then the things they said about her were indeed true, no?

P.S. The guys who I know that do live here and entertain hookers in their home make sure they are not going in and out of their building wearing hooker garb. They do care what the neighbors think and the neighbors definitely won't be thinking, "What a nice girl." The other morning I was riding down the street with a non-P4P girl of mine when she spotted a girl with her party clothes on. She pointed and started laughing and said I wonder where she is coming from.

[BionicMan]

P.S. The guys who I know that do live here and entertain hookers in their home make sure they are not going in and out of their building wearing hooker garb. They do care what the neighbors think and the neighbors definitely won't be thinking, "What a nice girl."This reminds me of my second trip to Samui where I had a bar girl (the farang owner being my close friend) for two-three days (mostly for the nights). One evening we were invited by a bar (farang) customer to have a BBQ in his villa, with his wife and kids. All the bar staff (the girls. 3-4) was invited too. The bar staff was bar waitresses but available for take away with the usual terms and conditions (Bar fine and girl fee) even if it was not encouraged. I was at the BBQ and flirting with "my" girl and seen some smiles here and there (ie "here's the romance coming up"). Lsson learnt, she was still th bar girl, not the girlfriend!

Another time we were invited for another BBQ at the same place, but this time only me and my friend. I was thinking to take along a girl and my friend said "not recommended to take a bar girl at friend's house".

Mind you the girls were known to the house owner, they were not "hooker" type.

But still. There are unrwitten rules (or maybe just common sense if one thinks about it!)

[Goatscrot]

I'm guessing what you "know about Thai women's attitude towards sex and prostitution" is all wrong. Do you know any Thai women outside of P4P? If you do, then all you have to do is ask them their take. Their attitude towards hookers is the same as everyone else's in the world. That is that they are lazy low-lives who are looking for the easy way out; not the way P4P guys want to see them as the poor little girl who has to get money for her family.

I have entertained many non-P4P women in the Suk area with nary a problem. What you have to realize is that although everyone looks the same to you, the locals know a hooker from a normal woman. There was a guy in the Rio de Janeiro thread recently who talked about how he had taken a good looking hooker to a nice restaurant and everyone so was jealous because they kept looking. I'm like dude, they were not looking because they were jealous or because she was good-looking; they were looking because they knew she was a hooker. But you were so blinded with hearts in your eyes that you did not realize that. We come on sites like this and all people talk about is paying chicks for sex. After so much time, we take that as the norm and consider the rest of the world who aren't paying or getting paid for sex as the weird ones.

Did you pay this woman? Are you on holiday? If so, then the things they said about her were indeed true, no?

P. S. The guys who I know that do live here and entertain hookers in their home make sure they are not going in and out of their building wearing hooker garb. They do care what the neighbors think and the neighbors definitely won't be thinking,"What a nice girl." The other morning I was riding down the street with a non-P4P girl of mine when she spotted a girl with her party clothes on. She pointed and started laughing and said I wonder where she is coming from.Absolutely spot on. This one needs to go into Reports of Distinction. Everything you say is true. The vast majority of working girls stick out like a sore thumb. Dress, hair, makeup, the way they handle themselves, the way they talk, etc. After well in excess of a decade here I can spot a P4P girl as fast as a Thai can.

Your first paragraph sums, it up. It is the easy way out. Don't get me wrong, I love having a romp with P4P gals, but date one, marry one? An emphatic no. Choosing that job, and yes it is a choice, says a lot about their character. Of course there are exceptions, but who has the time to sort through the 95% that are lazy and simply interested in an ATM.

I am amazed at how dude's throw out every standard they every had about a partner when they come to Thailand. Would you date a girl with a 6th grade education, a parasitic family, who sold sex back in your home country? Then why do it here? There are plenty of regular gals here to date.

Thai guys get it. P4P girls are for P4P, you don't marry them. Maybe if one is excellent she becomes your mia noi, but marry one? Nope.

[Run Mann]

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I would be interested to hear from other members (preferably only those, who know what they are talking about) , of similar experiences and of the Thai society's attitude towards Thai-falang p4p relationsships in general.Maybe they were drunk, maybe they didn't like your look, maybe they didn't like her look but no one here will be able to tell you about the louts since we weren't there. But you've been coming to Thailand for years and have a Thai GF and you don't know how Thai society view Thai-Falang P4P relationship? Well, they're not proud of or approve of it but tolerate it especially when it puts money in their individual pockets.

Have an sit down with your GF, she can tell you what you need to know which would be much better than all the different answers you'll get here. There are many forums that covers this topic and they all have varying views about this, the same as you would get anywhere.

[Rjsss212]

I am amazed at how dude's throw out every standard they every had about a partner when they come to Thailand. Would you date a girl with a 6th grade education, a parasitic family, who sold sex back in your home country? Then why do it here? .I'm amazed that you believe many of these guys actually have standards that extend beyond an actual girl smiling at them and feigning interest for brief stretches.

If they get no notice or have no success with women in their home country then women of a similar standard in any other country will probably show the same lack of interest. So whats left but to keep moving down the food chain till something nibbles at their hook.

Nothing wrong with having friends in 'low places' as the song goes as long as one actually has the ability to see things in perspective. Unless of course they do and don't care. But then they would'nt be here asking silly questions, would they.

[Giotto]

I'm guessing what you "know about Thai women's attitude towards sex and prostitution" is all wrong. Do you know any Thai women outside of P4P? If you do, then all you have to do is ask them their take. Their attitude towards hookers is the same as everyone else's in the world. That is that they are lazy low-lives who are looking for the easy way out; not the way P4P guys want to see them as the poor little girl who has to get money for her family.Mr Enternational,

I disagree.

I worked with both hookers and "women outside of P4P" for about 10 years. Bar girls on one side, chefs, cooks, front desk staff, maids, service staff on the other side. No problem at all, they worked together very well, and there was no negative attitude towards hookers.

The reason (my POV) for that is that basically most of the "women outside of P4P" are still connected to P4P (or were connected to P4P before). P4P always WAS an option for them, or it IS an option in their lives right now (but hidden).

I found 2 groups of women that I could categorize as you described above, looking down to hookers as lazy low-lives who take the easy way out:

- arrogant HiSo women that have lost the connection to the basis because of certain (and mostly unexplainable) money inflow.
- ex Bar-girls who made it out of the scene (for some time) because they found a rich sugar daddy, boy friend, husband. Those bad-mouth strongly.

I consider 90 % of the Thai women to be potential P4P candidates. In one way or the other. P4P does not necessarily start in a bar. It happened many times to me that contact was made in an office, a dinner followed, and after all this "foreplay" ended in the bed certain "benefits" (payments, presents, support etc.) were expected.

And now - let the witch hunt begin.


Giotto

PS: Two reasons for my opinion:

- most of the Thai's are still living too close to the poverty line. Money that can be made will be made - and moral and ethical values do not count during the money making process

- The general socialization of the women here, with the Buddhism as general environment and the responsibility of taking care of the family, especially parents and younger brothers and sisters ... P4P is an accepted option to fulfill higher value responsibilities.

[Phordphan]

I'm guessing what you "know about Thai women's attitude towards sex and prostitution" is all wrong. Do you know any Thai women outside of P4P? If you do, then all you have to do is ask them their take. Their attitude towards hookers is the same as everyone else's in the world. That is that they are lazy low-lives who are looking for the easy way out; not the way P4P guys want to see them as the poor little girl who has to get money for her family.

I have entertained many non-P4P women in the Suk area with nary a problem. What you have to realize is that although everyone looks the same to you, the locals know a hooker from a normal woman. There was a guy in the Rio de Janeiro thread recently who talked about how he had taken a good looking hooker to a nice restaurant and everyone so was jealous because they kept looking. I'm like dude, they were not looking because they were jealous or because she was good-looking; they were looking because they knew she was a hooker. But you were so blinded with hearts in your eyes that you did not realize that. We come on sites like this and all people talk about is paying chicks for sex. After so much time, we take that as the norm and consider the rest of the world who aren't paying or getting paid for sex as the weird ones.

Did you pay this woman? Are you on holiday? If so, then the things they said about her were indeed true, no?

P. S. The guys who I know that do live here and entertain hookers in their home make sure they are not going in and out of their building wearing hooker garb. They do care what the neighbors think and the neighbors definitely won't be thinking,"What a nice girl." The other morning I was riding down the street with a non-P4P girl of mine when she spotted a girl with her party clothes on. She pointed and started laughing and said I wonder where she is coming from.I'm with Mr. Goat. This should be in the RoD section.

To the Original Poster: This echoes my experiences to a "T." All of my "regular" GFs have all had the exact same opinion of bar girls. Lazy in the extreme. Money hungry. Dirty. Basically low-lifes. And their opinion of most of the farang who hang out with them is equally low. Ever hear the term "farang kee nok?" It's not complimentary. Why a "rich" westerner would stoop to hang out with, and parade around town with, a dark, ugly girl from the dregs of society absolutely baffles the locals.

Case in point. My current GF knows I used to hang with bar girls, and she teases me mercilessly about it. A couple of years back I was joking about visiting Soi Cowboy and she decided she wanted to visit. So, we walked over as the hotel wasn't far. We walked in at the Asoke end and made our way to the other end. She just walked, never stopping. At the end, I turned around and walked back. Again, never stopping or looking around. Back at the Asoke end I heard the local cover band playing in Country Road, so I decided to stop for a listen. We got a table near the band and I ordered a beer. She usually has one of her own, but she just said she'd share mine. Odd. After the beer was finished she made like she wanted to leave, so we did. She made a beeline out of the place and onto Asoke. Then the penny dropped. It wasn't being around a bunch of weird farang, or a bunch of bar girls, that she objected to. The intolerable problem was that she figured that everybody who saw her there, with her farang, would assume that SHE was also a bar girl. This was more than she could stand. So, that's pretty much how "normal" folks view bar girls.

[Giotto]

Case in point. My current GF knows I used to hang with bar girls, and she teases me mercilessly about it. A couple of years back I was joking about visiting Soi Cowboy and she decided she wanted to visit. So, we walked over as the hotel wasn't far. We walked in at the Asoke end and made our way to the other end. She just walked, never stopping. At the end, I turned around and walked back. Again, never stopping or looking around. Back at the Asoke end I heard the local cover band playing in Country Road, so I decided to stop for a listen. We got a table near the band and I ordered a beer. She usually has one of her own, but she just said she'd share mine. Odd. After the beer was finished she made like she wanted to leave, so we did. She made a beeline out of the place and onto Asoke. Then the penny dropped. It wasn't being around a bunch of weird farang, or a bunch of bar girls, that she objected to. The intolerable problem was that she figured that everybody who saw her there, with her farang, would assume that SHE was also a bar girl. This was more than she could stand. So, that's pretty much how "normal" folks view bar girls.Oh yeah.

She did not know that before, that good girl, she had to go to Cowboy to find that out, right? Sadly I read a lot of shit here in the forum.

Now, those girls who consider hookers "low lifes" and "dirty" - they really appreciate you hanging around with them. This is why they pick you as boyfriend, isn't it? They also want to learn about this "low life dirty" world. So they go to Soi Cowboy with you.

Wow - there is a lot of logic in your post. It really makes me laugh!


Giotto.

PS: May be your girlfriend is also closer to the P4P scene than anybody of us would ever believe?

[Bobokp]

I was having lunch or breakfast at the buffet of Sheraton Sukhumvit with my Baccara LT girl. To me she looked very ordinary, plain clothes.


Yesterday morning, while walking the 100 m from my hotel to Sukhumvit with my GF of the previous night. 3 different thai louts followed us and called 'things' after my GF.

Even though I did not understand a single word, just by the sound of it, it definitely did not sound nice, as the unhappy look on my GF's face confirmed.

At first, she didn't want to tell what the men had been calling, but finally admitted that they had been calling her names, of which "Falang Holiday Wh*o*re" was the nicest.

With the Sukhumvit area practically 'living' off sex services provided to tourists and from what I thought to know about Thai women's attitude towards sex see. Q. Prostitution, I am surprised at such open animosity towards one of their own.

I would be interested to hear from other members (preferably only those, who know what they are talking about) , of similar experiences and of the Thai society's attitude towards Thai-falang p4p relationsships in general.

[Mr Enternational]

Oh yeah.

She did not know that before, that good girl, she had to go to Cowboy to find that out, right? Sadly I read a lot of shit here in the forum.

Now, those girls who consider hookers "low lifes" and "dirty". They really appreciate you hanging around with them. This is why they pick you as boyfriend, isn't it? They also want to learn about this "low life dirty" world. So they go to Soi Cowboy with you.

Wow. There is a lot of logic in your post. It really makes me laugh!

Giotto.

PS: May be your girlfriend is also closer to the P4P scene than anybody of us would EVER believe?What's so funny about his post G? Different people have different comfort levels. When I was living in Brazil I had a couple of girlfriends (one a lawyer and the other in media) who wanted to go to the hooker disco with me out of curiosity. One of them couldn't wait to get away from there while the other did not feel uncomfortable being there.

Before living in Pattaya I had a girlfriend in real estate who would not even go to my hotel with me after the first time because it made her feel uncomfortable thinking everyone was looking at her like she was a hooker. After that we could only do the deed back in her room. My school teacher girlfriend would never park her car at my building. She would always park at Big C and I would have to pick her up on my motorbike. She said it is not proper for a Thai lady, especially a teacher, to be going to a farang's room. She would never let me go to her house out in Sattahip.

Two weeks ago a wingman met a girl who is a university graduate and works at a real estate firm here in Pattaya. He hooked me up with her friend who owns a restaurant in Bang Na. Both of the girls are bisexual. We took them to X-Zone Agogo where the girls do down and dirty sex shows. The ladies were disgusted and could not wait to get out of there. Then we took them to Sexy Airline Agogo and they took to it like a fish to water. You should have seen them kissing girls, sucking on tits, and rubbing on pussies.

[John Traveller]

Oh yeah.

She did not know that before, that good girl, she had to go to Cowboy to find that out, right? Sadly I read a lot of shit here in the forum.

Now, those girls who consider hookers "low lifes" and "dirty". They really appreciate you hanging around with them. This is why they pick you as boyfriend, isn't it? They also want to learn about this "low life dirty" world. So they go to Soi Cowboy with you.

Wow. There is a lot of logic in your post. It really makes me laugh!

Giotto.

PS: May be your girlfriend is also closer to the P4P scene than anybody of us would EVER believe?Yes.

It's the pecking order, nothing more nothing less

[Rjsss212]

And now - let the witch hunt begin :) .So, I've observed another distinction. Girls who were raised in or around Bangkok (or a suburb) and girls who were raised in a northern region.

Bangkok or nearby suburban girls seem to speak the correct Thai and seem to have cleaner etiquette (or maybe can fake it) and northern girls speak a blend and or dialect and seem out of place.

[Run Mann]

PS: May be your girlfriend is also closer to the P4P scene than anybody of us would EVER believe?I would believe it. The P4P versus non P4P line is quite blurred despite many pretenders wanting or portraying it not to be that way. Unless you're with a woman 24-7 all her life, how do you know what she's doing or what she was doing before you met her? One key point though is how do you define P4P, because to some people only BGs and hardcore hookers are P4P. If a girl has a regular job but does a little hustle on the side she is not P4P to them.

Many women and men the world over all pretentious creatures always upselling themselves and pretending to be more than they are. There's a number of people here who continually go out of their way to vaunt about their version of their non P4P GF as if anyone here is supposed to be impressed with that. But no one should give a crap about what anyone else thinks about their dates, P4P or not, the only opinion you should value is your own.

[Paul Kausch]

A few women have successful careers that have taken them farther than most men will every go and have no need of a man to sustain their standard of living. For most women in most cultures marriage or its equivalent raises the woman's standard of living. Does this mean most women are prostitutes? Or does it simply mean generally men bring something into a relation, even one that lasts an hour, and expect something in return. Same for women. Should we admire a man with a trophy wife and denigrate a man with a girl friend for the night? Should we think less of a lady who provides good service at an MP versus a woman who is a good wife? Where do these attitudes come from?

[Western787]

I would believe it. The P4P versus non P4P line is quite blurred despite many pretenders wanting or portraying it not to be that way. Unless you're with a woman 24-7 all her life, how do you know what she's doing or what she was doing before you met her? One key point though is how do you define P4P, because to some people only BGs and hardcore hookers are P4P. If a girl has a regular job but does a little hustle on the side she is not P4P to them.

Many women and men the world over all pretentious creatures always upselling themselves and pretending to be more than they are. There's a number of people here who continually go out of their way to vaunt about their version of their non P4P GF as if anyone here is supposed to be impressed with that. But no one should give a crap about what anyone else thinks about their dates, P4P or not, the only opinion you should value is your own.IMHO for every full time hooker in Bangkok, there are at least 4 semi-pro part timers: some university students, office workers, or other categories. And unless there is a contextual clue such as them walking hand in hand with an older Farang, or hanging in Beergarden, Thermae, or to a lesser extent in Spasso's or similar venues, one cannot necessarily pick them out as working girls.

Aggressive and open verbal harassment of a working girl walking with her customer on Sukhumvit or other tourist areas is in fact very uncommon. Its outlier behavior. Nor are young Thai males to any large extent being denied sex because of sex tourists buying hookers, as most of the these girls have Thai boyfriends anyways. I would be very surprised if it dificult for the average young Thai to get laid, so need to be bitter and take it out on a working girl. Also we know Thais reserve the cream of the crop for themselves, so many of these Thais, if for example if they got a good job, have access to some amazingly hot women.

They were probably drunk and possibly (its not inconceivable at least) experiencing frustration and anger maybe because of the protest related economic hit they may be still experiencing, which even in the best case scenario could linger another 3 to 6 months with one high season already missed, so they see a hooker making easy money and end up acting like jerks.

[Western787]

Did you pay this woman? Are you on holiday? If so, then the things they said about her were indeed true, no?So the mere truth of the statement somehow mitigates its inflammatory nature?

So I guess if a ladyboy is walking down the Soi minding his own business, he could be harassed by someone making aggressive but true statements about what the Ladyboy technically likes to do to other men and receive from other men?

[Fast Eddie 48]

IMHO for every full time hooker in Bangkok, there are at least 4 semi-pro part timers: some university students, office workers, or other categories. And unless there is a contextual clue such as them walking hand in hand with an older Farang, or hanging in Beergarden, Thermae, or to a lesser extent in Spasso's or similar venues, one cannot necessarily pick them out as working girls.

Aggressive and open verbal harassment of a working girl walking with her customer on Sukhumvit or other tourist areas is in fact very uncommon. Its outlier behavior. Nor are young Thai males to any large extent being denied sex because of sex tourists buying hookers, as most of the these girls have Thai boyfriends anyways. I would be very surprised if it dificult for the average young Thai to get laid, so need to be bitter and take it out on a working girl. Also we know Thais reserve the cream of the crop for themselves, so many of these Thais, if for example if they got a good job, have access to some amazingly hot women.

They were probably drunk and perhaps experiencing frustration and anger maybe because of the protest related economic hit they may have experienced, which even in the best case scenario could linger another 3 to 6 months with one high season already missed, so they see a hooker making easy money, so they end up acting like jerks.To Western 787.

Maybe 12 yr ago during the asia economy crisis there are a lot of freelance back in 1998-2002, the beergarden, disco and Thermae are full of freelance, now days most of the girl hang out beergarden and nana plaza are average looking older WG, not sure how long have you been going to Thailand exchange rate back then is 48bht to 1 USD and going rate is 700bht for ST.

Fast Eddie 48

[Western787]

To Western 787.

Maybe 12 yr ago during the asia economy crisis there are a lot of freelance back in 1998-2002, the beergarden, disco and Thermae are full of freelance, now days most of the girl hang out beergarden and nana plaza are average looking older WG, not sure how long have you been going to Thailand exchange rate back then is 48bht to 1 USD and going rate is 700bht for ST.

Fast Eddie 48Look, no doubt from what I have heard it was pretty damn good in Bangkok a number of years ago, cheap prices, better attitudes and hotter girls on average, and I've seen some interesting analysis from Stickman last month and posters in here like Goatscrot and others. Bangkok is already close to 1st world or already there,, and Thailand is heading toward 1st world or 1. 5 world status, more jobs available, more options, and the internet has taken many out of bars and Go Go's and they and for example FL's can even have access to prospective customers in other countries. Looking at the macro trend IMHO cash heavy Chinese investors will make this eventually a very expensive city, just as China bid up commodity costs across the globe, but the political unrest has delayed this inevitable trend but only momentarily. So the point is - enjoy it while it lasts.

Now dealing with the current situation, yes. Most at Beergarden are older and average, but there are fair amount of exceptions. As for NPL the range is quite expansive in fact. The Go Go's while increasingly dependent upon agency girls, still offer many non coyote hot girls.

You might recall poster "RickRock" a year or two back saying prices have gotten so high and quality so low in Bangkok, that given costs of the the plane ride and hotels bills etc, its better for mongers to stay stateside. (he cited New York and west coast I believe) I guess for mongers staying shortterm in Bangkok or only here once or twice a year perhaps that could be true to some degree unless they really know the market, but for many others its not accurate. For example those living here or visiting very frequently which among other things allows one to find the nuances of the scene, including the semi pro or part-time market, and therefore there is no way an average middle age guy could duplicate that experience in for example New York, unless accompanied by very large amount of resources. No market is static and while Bangkok is is headed downhill in monger terms, its way better than many other places, and if one enjoys the infrastructure advantages and luxuries the city has to offer, its nearly perfeclty balanced between a world class city, having lots of hot P4P women, and yet still low cost in living terms.. For example even compared to Angeles City, a true 3rd world location, hotels are more expensive there, and same in Myamar in Burma, a true 3rd world hell hole.

[Western787]

I was having lunch or breakfast at the buffet of Sheraton Sukhumvit with my Baccara LT girl. To me she looked very ordinary, plain clothes.LOL, I couldn't help but notice your (ONE) other post was from 7 years ago. And since I am interested in you finishing the story you began above, I hope its quicker than 7 years.

Now if THAT is the entire story, then my mistake.

[Daddy07]

Then the penny dropped. It wasn't being around a bunch of weird farang, or a bunch of bar girls, that she objected to. The intolerable problem was that she figured that everybody who saw her there, with her farang, would assume that SHE was also a bar girl. This was more than she could stand.Yes, and she had good reason to feel that way. She's no different than any of them and she knows it.

[Goatscrot]

I would believe it. The P4P versus non P4P line is quite blurred despite many pretenders wanting or portraying it not to be that way. Unless you're with a woman 24-7 all her life, how do you know what she's doing or what she was doing before you met her? One key point though is how do you define P4P, because to some people only BGs and hardcore hookers are P4P. If a girl has a regular job but does a little hustle on the side she is not P4P to them.

Many women and men the world over all pretentious creatures always upselling themselves and pretending to be more than they are. There's a number of people here who continually go out of their way to vaunt about their version of their non P4P GF as if anyone here is supposed to be impressed with that. But no one should give a crap about what anyone else thinks about their dates, P4P or not, the only opinion you should value is your own.One of my good friends once said,"All women are wh*res and all men are consumers." There is a certain truth to that, but I do think the times they are a changin'. In Thailand you see more and more gals who want to remain,"working woman." They have no desire for a boyfriend. They might go out and grab a dude for sex but have no interest in a long term relationship as they don't want to answer or be beholden to anyone. This is a major deviation from traditional male / female roles here and I think it will continue to change. Remember, many of the cultural taboos and mores about sex in Thailand do not have a basis in religious thought or texts so they are far easier broken and norms changed in comparison to the West."Regular" Thai women are out there having a lot of sex. A Durex study placed them as the second most promiscuous on the planet next to Ghananan women. Over 70% of Thai women surveyed admitted to having multiple partners.

Honestly I wish I was 28 instead of 48. It is a great time to be a single young dude in Thailand, and I am not talking about the P4P scene. So many of my younger friends would never P4P, but they are dating and mating with lots of very good looking educated women here and most will jump in the sack at the drop of a hat.

Actually if you live in Thailand you must care about what people think about your date, especially if you work here. You are judged by the company you keep. Like it or not, that is the way it works. Do whoever you want, date for fun, but long term, make sure it is someone who can "do" something for you.

Its just as easy to fall for someone with means as for someone without.

[Goatscrot]

IMHO for every full time hooker in Bangkok, there are at least 4 semi-pro part timers: some university students, office workers, or other categories. And unless there is a contextual clue such as them walking hand in hand with an older Farang, or hanging in Beergarden, Thermae, or to a lesser extent in Spasso's or similar venues, one cannot necessarily pick them out as working girls.Yes, and the key there is your first sentence. Those girls are discreet. They would never be seen walking hand in hand at Paragon with a fat old farang in shorts, flip flops, and a wife beater T-Shirt.

[Phordphan]

Oh yeah.

She did not know that before, that good girl, she had to go to Cowboy to find that out, right? Sadly I read a lot of shit here in the forum.

Now, those girls who consider hookers "low lifes" and "dirty". They really appreciate you hanging around with them. This is why they pick you as boyfriend, isn't it? They also want to learn about this "low life dirty" world. So they go to Soi Cowboy with you.

Wow. There is a lot of logic in your post. It really makes me laugh!

Giotto.

PS: May be your girlfriend is also closer to the P4P scene than anybody of us would ever believe?Fuck you, Giotto. And the flea bitten horse you rode in on.

It may surprise you to know that few girls will go to hooker areas, despite all of them knowing about it. Some are curious but would certainly never go there alone, some aren't even curious. I personally know both kinds. So, yes, having a quick escorted tour makes sense for some. Perhaps it's schadenfreude, perhaps something else. All I know is what she told me afterwards.

As for hanging around me, who knows? I gave up the bar scene several years ago, mostly because I got tired of the low-lifes who populated the scene. Guys like you and your GFs, perhaps? Guys like the OP who parades around with a hooker on his arm and wonders why locals give him shit? I'm sure none of my faves would have anything to do with me if I still frequented the farang night-life areas. I do know her comments concerning bar girls are reflected by each and every "normal" Thai girl I know. If your experience is different, so be it.

PS. Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much. You've made a nice living catering to this segment of the population. Does having your (former) clientele classified as "dirty" and "low life" cut a bit close to the bone?

[Run Mann]

Actually if you live in Thailand you must care about what people think about your date, especially if you work here. You are judged by the company you keep. Like it or not, that is the way it works. .I live here and don't give a baht about what they think, why should I? The don't pay my wages as I work for a foreign company so what are they going to do for me or not do for me? People will judge you regardless of who you are with, If a judgmental person looks down on me because of MY choice of who I want to date, I say Fuck them. It's a very sad life to live trying to live up to someone else's standards, especially someone you don't even know or someone who will never affect your life.

I remember the first time I came to Thailand, I did not know anyone here but an older lady who worked as a cashier in a bar but she was in the game as she did go with customers. I had forgotten my computer power plug at home and had to get a new one so she took me to Pantip and I got one. I got looks from just being with her but that didn't move me in the least. The computer plug was more important to me. She was not my GF, I was her customer but she was so valuable to me, not for sex as she was older and not my type but she was a very nice lady who provided a service to me. I suspect some Thais thought we were dating as we were together in the sky train and on the road but damn if I was going to let how they view me or how they view her affect me. No one will ever convince me that I should care about what someone else thinks about my date or who I choose to go out with and I am not, not advocating dates or relationship with hookers but let's face it some hi so or normal women are lower than many hookers. Many people sitting in the cheap seats passing judgment on BGs likely have lots more skeletons in their closet. Anyone who let the people in the peanut gallery affect your choice of who they go out with, well they need some self-esteem.

[Phordphan]

I would believe it. The P4P versus non P4P line is quite blurred despite many pretenders wanting or portraying it not to be that way. Unless you're with a woman 24-7 all her life, how do you know what she's doing or what she was doing before you met her? One key point though is how do you define P4P, because to some people only BGs and hardcore hookers are P4P. If a girl has a regular job but does a little hustle on the side she is not P4P to them.

Many women and men the world over all pretentious creatures always upselling themselves and pretending to be more than they are. There's a number of people here who continually go out of their way to vaunt about their version of their non P4P GF as if anyone here is supposed to be impressed with that. But no one should give a crap about what anyone else thinks about their dates, P4P or not, the only opinion you should value is your own.I think anybody with a brain (which may exclude several contributors here) would agree that P4P means exchanging sex for money. You could probably also include high-priced gifts as money. And that's fine. I have no problem with it. There is no point in self-delusion. One can be a prostitute without being a full-time prostitute.

But as far as I can tell, none of the "normal" girls I know have ever exchanged sex for money / gifts. They're not virgins by any means. But they don't hang out in bars nightly, they don't cruise pick-up joints on the weekends. They've never slept with a guy on the first date or had a one-night stand. They can number their boyfriends on one hand. And they all have high paying jobs and aren't looking for a sugar daddy. They wouldn't accept money if I offered it. Hell, on a relative scale a couple of them probably have more money than me. So, I submit that there is a very clear line between P4P and non-P4P. It's just some guys want to pretend the girl they give "gifts" to really isn't a hooker.

[Run Mann]

I think anybody with a brain (which may exclude several contributors here) would agree that P4P means exchanging sex for money. You could probably also include high-priced gifts as money. And that's fine. I have no problem with it. There is no point in self-delusion. One can be a prostitute without being a full-time prostitute.

But as far as I can tell, none of the "normal" girls I know have ever exchanged sex for money / gifts. They're not virgins by any means. But they don't hang out in bars nightly, they don't cruise pick-up joints on the weekends. They've never slept with a guy on the first date or had a one-night stand. They can number their boyfriends on one hand. And they all have high paying jobs and aren't looking for a sugar daddy. They wouldn't accept money if I offered it. Hell, on a relative scale a couple of them probably have more money than me. So, I submit that there is a very clear line between P4P and non-P4P. It's just some guys want to pretend the girl they give "gifts" to really isn't a hooker.We obviously disagree about where the line is but if you see the need to convince yourself or others then keep at it. Also everyone with a brain will not always agree with you, reasonable people can see the same thing differently, that cheap shot was unnecessary.

[Phordphan]

We obviously disagree about where the line is but if you see the need to convince yourself or others then keep at it. Also everyone with a brain will not always agree with you, reasonable people can see the same thing differently, that cheap shot was unnecessary.The shot was not directed at you. Had it been I would have made that clear. My apologies if you took it that way.

I have no need to convince myself about the difference, or where the line is. The girls I give money to are P4P. The ones I don't, aren't.

[Western787]

Yes, and the key there is your first sentence. Those girls are discreet. They would never be seen walking hand in hand at Paragon with a fat old farang in shorts, flip flops, and a wife beater T-Shirt.LOL, skip the shorts, T shirts, and flip flops and be clean shaven and in reasonably good condition, and you earn some points with the local paid hotties, sometimes even a discreet hand hold from some of the "classier" ones. Plus all things equal even the flirty shop girls are generally nicer, a minor amusement but part of the charm of the city.

The all purpose cover-all-bases general look Farangs might want to attempt to emulate listed below. Of course blokes that literally look like that wouldn't ordinarily be in Bangkok working the P4P scene in the first place. But hey, one has to always try.

http://m5.paperblog.com/i/57/571895/bonds-casual-attire-in-thunderball-L-6y3HD2.jpeg

[Paul Kausch]

LOL, skip the shorts, T shirts, and flip flops and be clean shaven and in reasonably good condition, and you earn some points with the local paid hotties, sometimes even a hand hold from some of the "classier" ones. Plus even the flirty shop girls are generally nicer.

The all purpose cover-all-bases general look Farangs might want to attempt to emulate listed below. Of course blokes that literally look like that wouldn't ordinarily be in Bangkok working the P4P scene in the first place. But hey, one has to always try.

http://m5.paperblog.com/i/57/571895/bonds-casual-attire-in-thunderball-L-6y3HD2.jpegYouTube has a series of video that comprise a documentary about young Thai women looking for farang husbands. One of the segments contains a popular music video from a few years ago about a poor ugly ducking village girl who leaves the village and comes back years later as a beautiful and stylish young woman with a wealthy farang husband. She gives money to the local school and everyone views her with a mix of admiration and envy. The farang has a full head of gray hair and looks too old to be her father; but he is tall, slender, wears fashionable casual clothes and glasses in aviator frames.

[Rjsss212]

I have no need to convince myself about the difference, or where the line is. The girls I give money to are P4P. The ones I don't, aren't.Fair enough buy pray tell, what's in it for them?

[Western787]

I don't get you.

1. I don't recall that tune being played often.Try this (the vocal) version of the same track then: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yOa0_fv1lA

Its been played many times in Rainbow 4, sometimes even 2 or 3 times an evenings.

[Goatscrot]

I live here and don't give a baht about what they think, why should I? The don't pay my wages as I work for a foreign company so what are they going to do for me or not do for me? People will judge you regardless of who you are with, If a judgmental person looks down on me because of MY choice of who I want to date, I say Fuck them. It's a very sad life to live trying to live up to someone else's standards, especially someone you don't even know or someone who will never affect your life.

I remember the first time I came to Thailand, I did not know anyone here but an older lady who worked as a cashier in a bar but she was in the game as she did go with customers. I had forgotten my computer power plug at home and had to get a new one so she took me to Pantip and I got one. I got looks from just being with her but that didn't move me in the least. The computer plug was more important to me. She was not my GF, I was her customer but she was so valuable to me, not for sex as she was older and not my type but she was a very nice lady who provided a service to me. I suspect some Thais thought we were dating as we were together in the sky train and on the road but damn if I was going to let how they view me or how they view her affect me. No one will ever convince me that I should care about what someone else thinks about my date or who I choose to go out with and I am not, not advocating dates or relationship with hookers but let's face it some hi so or normal women are lower than many hookers. Many people sitting in the cheap seats passing judgment on BGs likely have lots more skeletons in their closet. Anyone who let the people in the peanut gallery affect your choice of who they go out with, well they need some self-esteem.I have been a resident for close to 15 years. The longer I am here the more I realize that in order to thrive here you have to buy into certain aspects of the culture. Of course you can always choose not to, but if you are toting around a 6th grade educated gal from Cowboy, who can't speak proper Thai, does not know how to dress, and is slightly ill mannered, not only do you stick out like a sore thumb, but it will close many doors to you. Like it or not, in Asia we are judged differently than we are in the West. Does not matter whether it is right or wrong. It just is. You can deny and buck the Asian way as long as you like, but it is not going to change for us, and after a time trying to fight it gets, well, boring. Again it is just as easy to fall for and date someone with some education and graces as it is to date someone who has none.

I dated a bar girl for quite a time when I first arrived. Even though she was always polite when I brought her to certain functions, events, or dinners, there was always looks, scorn, and I was judged by the company I kept. Of course that is not at all what ended the relationship, but when it did end I decided that if I was going to have another Thai girlfriend then she would have to meet certain criteria. Taking physical attractiveness and compatibility as a given, not having worked as a bar girl was number one (I say bar girl as was well stated one can never know if a gal had sex for money at some point). Having a family that was financially secure and was not a parasite looking for a "host" farang was second. Being a Uni grad, Uni student, or running a biz was third. Forth, which is the only one I a really willing to give some leeway on is a gal "having a bit." House, condo, land, etc.

The criteria for dating are far different from the criteria for P4P. I find the two totally separate and in many ways almost polar opposites. In Asia having an amazing sex life with your chosen wife etc is not really as important as it is in the West. Both parties tend to knock around a bit. Don't ask, don't tell, and don't let it effect the relationship. I have no issues with that.

[Riverstar]

I will be spending one night near Hualumphong and am fed up with the bars in Nana etc, is there anywhere near the station where I may find some company for the night

[Mr Enternational]

Fuck you, Giotto. And the flea bitten horse you rode in on.Damn, why did the man's horse have to be bitten by fleas?
I remember the first time I came to Thailand, I did not know anyone here but an older lady who worked as a cashier in a bar but she was in the game as she did go with customers. I had forgotten my computer power plug at home and had to get a new one so she took me to Pantip and I got one. I got looks from just being with her but that didn't move me in the least. The computer plug was more important to me. She was not my GF, I was her customer but she was so valuable to me, not for sex as she was older and not my type but she was a very nice lady who provided a service to me.Would you have done the same if said cashier happened to be a ladyboy?
I have no need to convince myself about the difference, or where the line is. The girls I give money to are P4P. The ones I don't, aren't.That shit is crystal clear. But you see from reading posts in many threads that many guys somehow feel obligated to give money and/or gifts to any woman whom they have had sex with. Maybe this is why the line appears blurred to some. They are blurring it their damn selves. I don't feel the need to pay a woman who is not a hooker. And you best believe I know the hookers from the non-hookers before it is time to get in bed with them.

I also don't understand why some guys want to add "semi-" in front of prostitute to make it seem like she is any less of a prostitute. Well she only does it on Tuesdays and Fridays so she is not a real hooker. MF I don't do carpentry on Saturdays and Sundays, but that does not make me a semi-carpenter. I also still don't get the thing where guys say well all women are hoars because you are paying for it in one way or another - I'm actually paying to go out and enjoy myself with someone I have an interest in, not for sex. So I guess I was the hoar when my girlfriend took me to Krabi and paid for everything and fucked me silly.

[Western787]

George Bernard Shaw: "Madam, would you sleep with me for a million pounds?"

Socialite: "My goodness. Well, I'd certainly have to think about it, but perhaps I would."

George Bernard Shaw: "Would you sleep with me for one pound?"

Socialite: "Certainly not! What kind of woman do you take me for?"

George Bernard Shaw: "THAT Madam we've already established. Now we are simply haggling about the price."

[Run Mann]

I have been a resident for close to 15 years. The longer I am here the more I realize that in order to thrive here you have to buy into certain aspects of the culture. Of course you can always choose not to, but if you are toting around a 6th grade educated gal from Cowboy, who can't speak proper Thai, does not know how to dress, and is slightly ill mannered, not only do you stick out like a sore thumb, but it will close many doors to you.Now you're introducing ridiculous facts not in evidence. If you walk around with a girl who is not a hooker and acts and dress like this then you'll be judge the same way. Surely you know that not all SP are as you described. Walk around with a hi-so girl who is snobbish and disrespectful, you'll be judged too.


Does not matter whether it is right or wrong. It just is. You can deny and buck the Asian way as long as you like, but it is not going to change for us, and after a time trying to fight it gets, well, boring. Again it is just as easy to fall for and date someone with some education and graces as it is to date someone who has none.That is your choice, you can't force it on anyone else, we're not all the same as we all operate differently. But I still don't get what the culture is doing for you or not doing base on who you date. They will judge you regardless of who you are with, the conventional wisdom falang + Thai = P4P in some from or the other. You can deny is all you want and say times are changing but the point is they judge.


I dated a bar girl for quite a time when I first arrived. Even though she was always polite when I brought her to certain functions, events, or dinners, there was always looks, scorn, andI was judged by the company I kept.This affected you how? I have been to many of these functions and all they do is pass judgment on everyone. The judge the couple who is in an interracial relationship or the one with younger or older spouse or the one with the foreign spouse, they judge everyone. I will tell you even though you've been here longer than me that I know of many expats who are not only in relationships with former SP, they are married to them and I've never seen them being concern with the people passing judgment. Their happiness is more important to them. The fact that other people are uncomfortable because of a life style choice one makes is a poor reason to change to gain their approval, especially judgmental people. But I will not criticize you for living your life the way you do, I just won't live mine the same way you do.

[Bartchamdo]

I will be spending one night near Hualumphong and am fed up with the bars in Nana etc, is there anywhere near the station where I may find some company for the nightThe only action I'm aware of near Hualamphong is from cheap streetwalkers. Since Hualamphong is on the MRT line, it would probably be much easier to take the MRT to a better location and then bring your lady back to your hotel. Even if you don't like Nana, Soi Cowboy, etc. There are many more options nearby. For example, Sukhumwit Soi 22 has dozens of bars and massage shops with ladies who you could spend the night with.

[Western787]

that is the single best explanation as to why the situation has at least partly stabilized. Among other venues the soapy mega palaces north of the city were in jeopardy of going under, and the even the G clubs (though technically not *****houses) are in effect farm clubs generating new talent for rich Thais and Japanese businessmen to sponsor, and was no doubt being impacted. One high season gone, but with some luck at least a chance now to partly restore the economy in the next 6 to 9 months.

[ArejayLee]

My friends and I are planning on a bachelor trip to Bangkok first week of April. Will it be a safe to go at that time? Or will there still be protests in full effects?

[Paul Kausch]

George Bernard Shaw: "Madam, would you sleep with me for a million pounds?"I think this is a great story. By the way, in the "official" version the two offers were 5 million pounds and 5 quid; with quid used in the lower offer because it is slang, like a dollar versus a buck in American English. The story has also been attributed to Winston Churchill and Oscar Wilde. It was probably an old story that has been told for centuries by many gentlemen, some notable, some forgettable.

I'm going to make an outlandish statement and suggest a good sex worker should be held in higher regard than the common wife. First, the sex worker is more direct and honest. She offers a menu of pleasures. If you're interested, pay her the agreed rate and have your fun. There is no nagging or complaining; and afterwards you're free to go about your business as you please. A wife locks you into a lifetime relationship. She will nag, never stop demanding money, and the demands will always increase, even as she grows old and fat. When you want sex she's too tired or has a headache. Want a little a-level or even CIM, forget it, what do you thing she is? When you've had enough and try to escape the misery, she'll take you for everything you have, and then perhaps a bit more for good measure. In contrast a good sex worker brings nothing but pleasure to many men, perhaps many, many men. Take the famous Apple of Cherry Massage fame. How much pleasure did she give to how many men? Has anyone read or heard about a guy who left her disappointed.

[Mr Enternational]

I'm going to make an outlandish statement and suggest a good sex worker should be held in higher regard than the common wife. First, the sex worker is more direct and honest. She offers a menu of pleasures. If you're interested, pay her the agreed rate and have your fun. There is no nagging or complaining; and afterwards you're free to go about your business as you please. A wife locks you into a lifetime relationship. She will nag, never stop demanding money, and the demands will always increase, even as she grows old and fat. When you want sex she's too tired or has a headache. Want a little a-level or even CIM, forget it, what do you thing she is? When you've had enough and try to escape the misery, she'll take you for everything you have, and then perhaps a bit more for good measure. In contrast a good sex worker brings nothing but pleasure to many men, perhaps many, many men. Take the famous Apple of Cherry Massage fame. How much pleasure did she give to how many men? Has anyone read or heard about a guy who left her disappointed.PK, you compared a GOOD sex worker to a COMMON wife. Why not compare good with good or common with common? A good sex worker is hard to come by and takes many trials to find. With a limited time in Bangkok a guy has to dive in head first without pussyfooting around. He is subject to a big margin of fuck ups throughout his many trials.

A guy has all the time in the world to choose a wife so there is no reason to be in such a rush that he fucks up and chooses wrong. And if I was to choose a wife I wouldn't get a common one as you have described. She would have to be damn good for me. I'm not understanding how and why guys are choosing women who won't eat right and go to the gym, won't have sex with them when and how they want it, and demand money, and then later on complain about it. My relationship with my wife was nothing like that. We always kept our money separate and each paid the bills that each was responsible for. When we decided to break up we split everything that we had obtined together evenly. It sounds like some guys should make wiser decisions.

[Goatscrot]

Now you're introducing ridiculous facts not in evidence. If you walk around with a girl who is not a hooker and acts and dress like this then you'll be judge the same way. Surely you know that not all SP are as you described. Walk around with a hi-so girl who is snobbish and disrespectful, you'll be judged too.

That is your choice, you can't force it on anyone else, we're not all the same as we all operate differently. But I still don't get what the culture is doing for you or not doing base on who you date. They will judge you regardless of who you are with, the conventional wisdom falang + Thai = P4P in some from or the other. You can deny is all you want and say times are changing but the point is they judge.

This affected you how? I have been to many of these functions and all they do is pass judgment on everyone. The judge the couple who is in an interracial relationship or the one with younger or older spouse or the one with the foreign spouse, they judge everyone. I will tell you even though you've been here longer than me that I know of many expats who are not only in relationships with former SP, they are married to them and I've never seen them being concern with the people passing judgment. Their happiness is more important to them. The fact that other people are uncomfortable because of a life style choice one makes is a poor reason to change to gain their approval, especially judgmental people. But I will not criticize you for living your life the way you do, I just won't live mine the same way you do.I have not really observed girls who are not hookers dressing like hookers.

I would say that even 5 years ago your second paragraph would be accurate, now not so much. The majority of farang + thai relationships now are not hooker and host. Those relationships are painfully obvious and always have been.

Most expats that I know view Thailand a simply a stopover. Very few will choose to remain her for the duration. Their Thai spouse will accompany them to Farang land where things are in fact different. When a person plans to be somewhere long term he / she better for the most part buy into the culture.

Asians are judgmental in a different way than we Westerners. Ask an Asian what makes a beautiful woman and 9 times out of 10 you will get the same answer. Their norms and mores are far more rigid and formed than ours. They also accept these tenants mainly without question. Everything is based on face. That is what allows people to be promiscuous. As long as you do not cause your partner to lose face, you have free rein to do as you please. Many of us take advantage of that.

Of course taking an obvious bar girl to a dinner party with your Thai business associates and their wives will cause you to lose face. The Thai dudes will wonder what is wrong with you and the women will just think you are nasty. Would you take a 6th grade educated West Virginia hillbilly with you to a wedding at the country club? Probably not. Would you even consider dating a woman like that back home? Probably not. The only difference between bar girls and their West Virginia sister is the gals here tend to be slim and have all their teeth. Methinks that is not a basis for a long term relationship. Eventually it will come back to bite you.

My point is simply this; we all make choices when it comes to relationships. Make a choice that helps you in more ways then just keeping jr happy.

[Goatscrot]

I also still don't get the thing where guys say well all women are hoars because you are paying for it in one way or another - I'm actually paying to go out and enjoy myself with someone I have an interest in, not for sex. So I guess I was the hoar when my girlfriend took me to Krabi and paid for everything and fucked me silly.I specifically pay for sex. I go to an oily, spend an hour and a half do all kinds of things and then leave. I don't want to hear about sick mom, annoyed brother, drunk buffalo. I just want 90 min of full on PSE and then I want to leave. Just like riding a roller coaster only more fun.

The only gal I invest any emotion or effort in is my girlfriend. I have no desire to spend time with any other woman unless it is in the above fashion. Going to an oily is a totally separate experience. It is like comparing playing golf with making a carrot cake.

Milan Kundera said it so well in The Unbearable Lightness of Being. Paraphrased- Lust and love are different if not opposite emotions. Lust extends to countless women, love to only one. Love is expressed in the desire for shared sleep.

I wholeheartedly agree. There is only one woman I want to sleep beside and wake up with. I want to doink lots of 'them.

[Goatscrot]

I'm going to make an outlandish statement and suggest a good sex worker should be held in higher regard than the common wife. First, the sex worker is more direct and honest. She offers a menu of pleasures. If you're interested, pay her the agreed rate and have your fun. There is no nagging or complaining; and afterwards you're free to go about your business as you please. A wife locks you into a lifetime relationship. She will nag, never stop demanding money, and the demands will always increase, even as she grows old and fat. When you want sex she's too tired or has a headache. Want a little a-level or even CIM, forget it, what do you thing she is? When you've had enough and try to escape the misery, she'll take you for everything you have, and then perhaps a bit more for good measure. In contrast a good sex worker brings nothing but pleasure to many men, perhaps many, many men. Take the famous Apple of Cherry Massage fame. How much pleasure did she give to how many men? Has anyone read or heard about a guy who left her disappointed.You get totally different things from a sex worker as opposed to a companion that you choose to share your life with. Nagging, complaining? I have had none of that with my two long term Thai girlfriends. Sex? Is it really that important to have CIM and A-levels at home? Is it a deal killer? Why should it be when you can go out and have that with countless hookers? In the West it is important to be extremely sexually compatible with your partner. Here not so much. There are other things that are far more important.

[Goatscrot]

PK, you compared a GOOD sex worker to a COMMON wife. Why not compare good with good or common with common? A good sex worker is hard to come by and takes many trials to find. With a limited time in Bangkok a guy has to dive in head first without pussyfooting around. He is subject to a big margin of fuck ups throughout his many trials.

A guy has all the time in the world to choose a wife so there is no reason to be in such a rush that he fucks up and chooses wrong. And if I was to choose a wife I wouldn't get a common one as you have described. She would have to be damn good for me. I'm not understanding how and why guys are choosing women who won't eat right and go to the gym, won't have sex with them when and how they want it, and demand money, and then later on complain about it. My relationship with my wife was nothing like that. We always kept our money separate and each paid the bills that each was responsible for. When we decided to break up we split everything that we had obtined together evenly. It sounds like some guys should make wiser decisions.Amen. I think many dudes have broken "pickers." They choose women because they like the sex. As my friend used to say,"He stuck it in and in six seconds he was in love." Confusing lust with love is very easy for us Westerners as sex is not so easy to obtain in the West. Come over here, and getting laid is like going to McDonalds.

[Paul Kausch]

PK, you compared a GOOD sex worker to a COMMON wife. Why not compare good with good or common with common?First, my post was written tongue in cheek. I thought by opening the post with comments on the big offer versus small offer story would make it clear my post was intended to be funny and not serious; and I opened by writing I was making an outlandish statement. Seems whenever I don't use smilies, sarcasm and attempts at dry wit are misunderstood. But let me respond to your points, not to argue with you but to develop the discussion.

Finding good sex workers: by doing research it is possible to find a few good sex workers. A year or more ago ISG was a good source; however, I've noticed for some time now there are few reviews of sex workers in general and few members seem to want to disclose the names of the good ones they come across. Or perhaps Tomas, the Whorist, is correct in saying most ISG members are frustrated, married men who are fantasizing about locales they have never visited. ;) Regardless, back to my point, generally one session is enough to spot a good lady and she is likely to be even better if you see her again in a few days. And when you get tired of her, don't go back. A bad one costs you the MP fee and a reduced tip. The costs of mistakes are small.

Finding a good wife: this involves much more time, effort and expense. If after a first date you like a lady you will need to date her a few more times to get to know her. Some ladies expect to share the cost of dating equally, some (I think a majority) do not. You likely will have to date several ladies before you find someone who is a good matrimonial match. Then you have to invest considerable time (and money) into the relationship to verify your feelings and comparability. Even if all indications are good and you decide to get married, some people change after they are married. I've known men and women who acted a certain way to "land" their spouse only to revert to their real manner and personality after the wedding, to the alarm of their partner. A marriage is a long term commitment. Years in the future either person may have changed, physically, emotionally, intellectually. What was once a good relationship may be in decline. Getting out of a bad marriage is often costly, financially and emotionally.

I'm not saying one should not marry, have children, raise and support a family. Perhaps the most important thing we do in our life is to produce and raise good children to ensure the quality of the next generation. I was married for 20 years, raised two intelligent and wonderful children. My divorce was relatively simple and easy; but I've known men who thought their divorces would be simple and easy only to find themselves spending a lot of money defending a prenuptial agreement. I read a recent article in which the author asked very wealthy men what they most feared in life. By far the most common response was a divorce.

[Rjsss212]

You get totally different things from a sex worker as opposed to a companion that you choose to share your life with. Nagging, complaining? I have had none of that with my two long term Thai girlfriends. Sex? Is it really that important to have CIM and A-levels at home? Is it a deal killer? Why should it be when you can go out and have that with countless hookers? In the West it is important to be extremely sexually compatible with your partner. Here not so much. There are other things that are far more important.This is absolutely brilliant!

Its become almost impossible to find it all in 1 partner. That is why the American divorce rate is over 50 percent and the dissatisfaction rate is even higher. The divorce rate would be 95 percent "but for the kids".

[Wolvenvacht]

The only difference between bar girls and their West Virginia sister is the gals here tend to be slim and have all their teeth. Methinks that is not a basis for a long term relationship. Eventually it will come back to bite you.OF course, with all those teeth in good condition it is a foregone conclusion she will bite you.

Silliness aside, I once heard somewhere that a "real lady" only accepts flowers and chocolates, accepting anything else makes her less than a "lady".

Accepting money for services (to be) rendered makes her P4P and yes that will include most married women.

[John Traveller]

Finally some posts with a balanced view here, from Western 787, Paul Kausch and Run Mann. Good!

Posters like Phordpahn, Enternational, Goatscrot do have SOME interesting stuff in their posts; like critcizing the naive tourist and sharing their experience of staying many years in Thailand. BUT; they take it WAY too long IMHO, and are themselves naive in believing what their girlfriends or "girlfriends" tell them. I find it mildly amusing that some expats (or is it "locals") after a while in this country feel that they are SO much above the tourists. And then become CONDITIONED to see it like the "good" girls or "good girls" see it. (The social pecking order.) At least the short-time tourist has the excuse of inexperience! To laugh openly at the sex-tourist and his "girlfriend" I find very inpolite.

That said, I see that there's different viewpoints based on where you stand in life, if you like the married Asian lifestyle: Good for you. The discussion turned into that subject with the last postings, but that's a different issue than the OP (Daddy San) started with.

Also interesting to see how some react to opposing views with aggressiveness and RHETORICAL QUESTIONS WHICH MAKE DISCUSSION DIFFICULT. Adversarial. And recurrent here is the general disdain for p4p: "painfully true that it's there" and so on, as one poster put it. Why?

To the OP: Thailand and Thais has a RELATIVELY liberal wiew on p4p, BUT; not even here is it regarded as "totally nice", and even less so when there are foreigners involved. However, it's VERY seldom for them to harass like you described, but that's also because they are polite poeple, they don't want to make other people lose face. However they may THINK negatively about you. Also: I dont' find your question silly, on the conrary I find it interesting and a challange to answer.

My suggestion: Don't care what other people think, just enjoy your time with the p4p-women here. Including "parading" in the street. Also enjoy GFE with them it that's your cup of tea. Just have in the back of your head that it's a game.

I hope you all out there have a nice time with your tea, whatever cup it is in.


IMHO for every full time hooker in Bangkok, there are at least 4 semi-pro part timers: some university students, office workers, or other categories. And unless there is a contextual clue such as them walking hand in hand with an older Farang, or hanging in Beergarden, Thermae, or to a lesser extent in Spasso's or similar venues, one cannot necessarily pick them out as working girls.

Aggressive and open verbal harassment of a working girl walking with her customer on Sukhumvit or other tourist areas is in fact very uncommon. Its outlier behavior. Nor are young Thai males to any large extent being denied sex because of sex tourists buying hookers, as most of the these girls have Thai boyfriends anyways. I would be very surprised if it dificult for the average young Thai to get laid, so need to be bitter and take it out on a working girl. Also we know Thais reserve the cream of the crop for themselves, so many of these Thais, if for example if they got a good job, have access to some amazingly hot women.

They were probably drunk and possibly (its not inconceivable at least) experiencing frustration and anger maybe because of the protest related economic hit they may be still experiencing, which even in the best case scenario could linger another 3 to 6 months with one high season already missed, so they see a hooker making easy money and end up acting like jerks.


Yesterday morning, while walking the 100 m from my hotel to Sukhumvit with my GF of the previous night. 3 different thai louts followed us and called 'things' after my GF.

Even though I did not understand a single word, just by the sound of it, it definitely did not sound nice, as the unhappy look on my GF's face confirmed.
At first, she didn't want to tell what the men had been calling, but finally admitted that they had been calling her names, of which "Falang Holiday Wh*o*re" was the nicest.

With the Sukhumvit area practically 'living' off sex services provided to tourists and from what I thought to know about Thai women's attitude towards sex c.q. prostitution, I am surprised at such open animosity towards one of their own.

I would be interested to hear from other members (preferably only those, who know what they are talking about) , of similar experiences and of the Thai society's attitude towards Thai-falang p4p relationsships in general.

[Run Mann]

I have not really observed girls who are not hookers dressing like hookers.

I would say that even 5 years ago your second paragraph would be accurate, now not so much. The majority of farang + thai relationships now are not hooker and host. Those relationships are painfully obvious and always have been.

Most expats that I know view Thailand a simply a stopover. Very few will choose to remain her for the duration. Their Thai spouse will accompany them to Farang land where things are in fact different. When a person plans to be somewhere long term he / she better for the most part buy into the culture.

Asians are judgmental in a different way than we Westerners. Ask an Asian what makes a beautiful woman and 9 times out of 10 you will get the same answer. Their norms and mores are far more rigid and formed than ours. They also accept these tenants mainly without question. Everything is based on face. That is what allows people to be promiscuous. As long as you do not cause your partner to lose face, you have free rein to do as you please. Many of us take advantage of that.

Of course taking an obvious bar girl to a dinner party with your Thai business associates and their wives will cause you to lose face. The Thai dudes will wonder what is wrong with you and the women will just think you are nasty. Would you take a 6th grade educated West Virginia hillbilly with you to a wedding at the country club? Probably not. Would you even consider dating a woman like that back home? Probably not. The only difference between bar girls and their West Virginia sister is the gals here tend to be slim and have all their teeth. Methinks that is not a basis for a long term relationship. Eventually it will come back to bite you.

My point is simply this; we all make choices when it comes to relationships. Make a choice that helps you in more ways then just keeping jr happy.I already addressed the point you are making again about who you would take to a dinner party but you skipped right over it to make the same point again. Look, you can go ahead and live your life to gain the approval of a culture that is to put it mildly, corrupt and morally deficient by any standards. There are some great people here in Thailand but this culture as a whole is in no position to lecture anyone on lifestyles acceptability. I know I don't have to explain that to anyone.

Lose face concept = ruse (use as a convenience, I mean which culture wants to lose face?)

You use a lot of extreme examples to make your points, I prefer to stay in the middle of the bell and use the norms. Extreme examples exist in any setting but those are not the norm.

I will tell you that after all you wrote, I am still not convince and will not bow or tow the line to gain the approval of anyone. What a burden to bare living your life in such as way to gain someone else's approval? I have my own set of values and morals (yes, I do, even though I am on a sex board) I love myself and my opinion of myself much more than I will ever love theirs.

[Hiihii]

I have not really observed girls who are not hookers dressing like hookers.

I would say that even 5 years ago your second paragraph would be accurate, now not so much. The majority of farang + thai relationships now are not hooker and host. Those relationships are painfully obvious and always have been.

Most expats that I know view Thailand a simply a stopover. Very few will choose to remain her for the duration. Their Thai spouse will accompany them to Farang land where things are in fact different. When a person plans to be somewhere long term he / she better for the most part buy into the culture.

Asians are judgmental in a different way than we Westerners. Ask an Asian what makes a beautiful woman and 9 times out of 10 you will get the same answer. Their norms and mores are far more rigid and formed than ours..Do well heeled business guys take bargirls to business functions? If they do they shouldn't have gotten their assignment in the first place. Corporate made a bad decision.

The more goatie speaks the more clueless he sounds. He uses the strawman argument. All the farangs he knows. Who are these guys?

Anyways the girls are back. Packed stages but no penises. Will prices cum down? Supply and demand is not in balance-soemthing has to give.

[Hiihii]

I specifically pay for sex. I go to an oily, spend an hour and a half do all kinds of things and then leave. I don't want to hear about sick mom, annoyed brother, drunk buffalo. I just want 90 min of full on PSE and then I want to leave. Just like riding a roller coaster only more fun.

The only gal I invest any emotion or effort in is my girlfriend. I have no desire to spend time with any other woman unless it is in the above fashion. Going to an oily is a totally separate experience. It is like comparing playing golf with making a carrot cake.

Milan Kundera said it so well in The Unbearable Lightness of Being. Paraphrased- Lust and love are different if not opposite emotions. Lust extends to countless women, love to only one. Love is expressed in the desire for shared sleep.

I wholeheartedly agree. There is only one woman I want to sleep beside and wake up with. I want to doink lots of 'them.If you need to stray maybe your gf isn't the one for you!

[Goatscrot]

Do well heeled business guys take bargirls to business functions? If they do they shouldn't have gotten their assignment in the first place. Corporate made a bad decision.

The more goatie speaks the more clueless he sounds. He uses the strawman argument. All the farangs he knows. Who are these guys?

Anyways the girls are back. Packed stages but no penises. Will prices cum down? Supply and demand is not in balance-soemthing has to give.Huh? Really? I know lots of guys with fat expat packages that are dating and living with bar girls. I have a friend with a PHD who was a the head go between for a major pharma and their research docs; married a bar girl. It happens all the time. I never said "all" the farangs I know. In fact, quite the contrary. I know many young dudes here who are dating non-P4P gals and would not even enter a gogo bar.

You need to re-read my posts.

[Goatscrot]

If you need to stray maybe your gf isn't the one for you!Uh, who wants to be monogamous? That is the beauty of living here. If not what's the point?

[Goatscrot]

I already addressed the point you are making again about who you would take to a dinner party but you skipped right over it to make the same point again. Look, you can go ahead and live your life to gain the approval of a culture that is to put it mildly, corrupt and morally deficient by any standards. There are some great people here in Thailand but this culture as a whole is in no position to lecture anyone on lifestyles acceptability. I know I don't have to explain that to anyone.

Lose face concept = ruse (use as a convenience, I mean which culture wants to lose face?)

You use a lot of extreme examples to make your points, I prefer to stay in the middle of the bell and use the norms. Extreme examples exist in any setting but those are not the norm.

I will tell you that after all you wrote, I am still not convince and will not bow or tow the line to gain the approval of anyone. What a burden to bare living your life in such as way to gain someone else's approval? I have my own set of values and morals (yes, I do, even though I am on a sex board) I love myself and my opinion of myself much more than I will ever love theirs.Really, you are condemning the attitudes and culture here? Well, it has certainly worked for Thais for some time now. Morally deficient? By whose standards? Yours? The West's? Give me a break. Honestly what are you comparing it to? America? The nation that invades others?

The path of least resistance is the way to travel here. Burden? Quit the contrary; making it easy on oneself is the name of the game.

If you think losing face is a "ruse" then you really are looking at it from an ethnocentric point of view. It is difficult for people to accept that cultural ways differing from their own can be functional. If you are indeed doing business or working in Thailand, it will be very difficult for you if you choose not to play by their rules. If you chose to live in Thailand, you should do your best to try to "fit in" as well as we foreigners can. Learn the language and do your best with the culture. If you are just coming here for P4P or for a meeting then that is something entirely different, and frankly with that limited knowledge you have very little room to comment on the "acceptability" of things here. 14 years is long enough for me to know I will never be Thai, nor will I every understand all the nuances her, but I can do my best to learn all I can, not make waves, and make my own life here as pleasant and stress free as possible and not be an eyesore or be offensive to the people who allow me to stay in their country.

[Goatscrot]

This is absolutely brilliant!

Its become almost impossible to find it all in 1 partner. That is why the American divorce rate is over 50 percent and the dissatisfaction rate is even higher. The divorce rate would be 95 percent "but for the kids".Yep and Asian culture makes allowance for that. Ain't it great.

[Run Mann]

Really, you are condemning the attitudes and culture here? Well, it has certainly worked for Thais for some time now. Morally deficient? By whose standards? Yours? The West's? Give me a break. Honestly what are you comparing it to? America? The nation that invades others?

The path of least resistance is the way to travel here. Burden? Quit the contrary; making it easy on oneself is the name of the game.

If you think losing face is a "ruse" then you really are looking at it from an ethnocentric point of view. It is difficult for people to accept that cultural ways differing from their own can be functional. If you are indeed doing business or working in Thailand, it will be very difficult for you if you choose not to play by their rules. If you chose to live in Thailand, you should do your best to try to "fit in" as well as we foreigners can. Learn the language and do your best with the culture. If you are just coming here for P4P or for a meeting then that is something entirely different, and frankly with that limited knowledge you have very little room to comment on the "acceptability" of things here. 14 years is long enough for me to know I will never be Thai, nor will I every understand all the nuances her, but I can do my best to learn all I can, not make waves, and make my own life here as pleasant and stress free as possible and not be an eyesore or be offensive to the people who allow me to stay in their country.I am not condemning anything, I am stating the obvious, hard to have discourse with you because you keep changing the facts. This was not a discussion about culture or rules or not making waves. You're changing the chords of the song. But again, I am not convinced by your argument so I will keep doing this my way and in no way am I going to try to convince you of anything. Believe whatever you want.

[Paul Kausch]

If you need to stray maybe your gf isn't the one for you!Boy, didn't you ask the sixty-four thousand dollar question!

If a guy is in a happy relationship why would he need a steady diet of sex workers? Seems something is wrong; but I don't mean wrong in a moral sense.

When I've been unattached, I've fucked as many different women as I can. When I've been in an unhappy relationship that was falling apart, I've cheated on my partner. When I've been in a good relationship, I've had no desire to fool around behind my partner's back. At that time that woman satisfied all of my emotional and sexual needs. I had no need to seek sexual gratification from another woman. I loved and wanted to be faithful to my partner. Cheating would have hurt me, as I knew it would hurt her.

Now I understand why a guy who feels trapped in an unhappy marriage with a woman he does not love and is not physically attracted to has affairs. I'm not going to judge the fellow, nor blame him for his situation. We all make mistakes. We can marry the wrong woman. Religion, extended family, children, family finances, many reasons can make it too difficult to get out of an unhappy marriage. The need for a couple hours of bliss in the arms of a sexy young woman who is satisfying our sexual needs is understandable. I can understand having relationships outside the marriage: a regular girlfriend, a regular sex worker, or a series of affairs with non-pros or pros. The poor fellow is just dealing with a difficult situation, trying to hold a bad marriage together while occasionally satisfying emotional and sexual needs that are not being taken care of within the marriage.

I won't go into a consistent pattern of cheating on a girl friend. That is something I don't understand. One fling during a bad period in the relationship, I get that. I don't understand a need to have periodic sex outside a good relationship. I try not to pass judgment on others. I've encounter so many surprising situations in my life, it seems now nothing surprises me. When I see someone do something I don't understand, rather than criticize the bloke, I just assume I've never been in the same situation as he so who am I to judge.

I'm glad my life is simple now. I have my family and my friends, children and grandchildren. I'm not now nor ever expect to be in a romantic relationship. I can do anything I damn well please. I can fuck as many different woman as I wish. No need for lies and deception. It is a very liberating feeling. I don't need a wife or lover. I prefer my own company. I get along smashingly well with myself. No conflicts. No other person's needs to worry about. A couple of hours, an evening or a few days of superficial sex with an endless array of pretty young ladies engaged in what I think is a very noble profession takes care of whatever needs I, my family or friends cannot. Life is good.

[Goatscrot]

Finally some posts with a balanced view here, from Western 787, Paul Kausch and Run Mann. Good!

Posters like Phordpahn, Enternational, Goatscrot do have SOME interesting stuff in their posts; like critcizing the naive tourist and sharing their experience of staying many years in Thailand. BUT; they take it WAY too long IMHO, and are themselves naive in believing what their girlfriends or "girlfriends" tell them. I find it mildly amusing that some expats (or is it "locals") after a while in this country feel that they are SO much above the tourists. And then become CONDITIONED to see it like the "good" girls or "good girls" see it. (The social pecking order.) At least the short-time tourist has the excuse of inexperience! To laugh openly at the sex-tourist and his "girlfriend" I find very inpolite.

That said, I see that there's different viewpoints based on where you stand in life, if you like the married Asian lifestyle: Good for you. The discussion turned into that subject with the last postings, but that's a different issue than the OP (Daddy San) started with.

Also interesting to see how some react to opposing views with aggressiveness and RHETORICAL QUESTIONS WHICH MAKE DISCUSSION DIFFICULT. Adversarial. And recurrent here is the general disdain for p4p: "painfully true that it's there" and so on, as one poster put it. Why?

To the OP: Thailand and Thais has a RELATIVELY liberal wiew on p4p, BUT; not even here is it regarded as "totally nice", and even less so when there are foreigners involved. However, it's VERY seldom for them to harass like you described, but that's also because they are polite poeple, they don't want to make other people lose face. However they may THINK negatively about you. Also: I don't' find your question silly, on the conrary I find it interesting and a challange to answer.

My suggestion: Don't care what other people think, just enjoy your time with the p4p-women here. Including "parading" in the street. Also enjoy GFE with them it that's your cup of tea. Just have in the back of your head that it's a game.

I hope you all out there have a nice time with your tea, whatever cup it is in.Actually none of what I write is based on what my girlfriend tell me. I don't feel in any way that residents are "above" tourist. We simply have different priorities and different points of view.

I would say P4P is "tolerated" in Thailand. Technically it is illegal, but so are lots of things in this nation. Laws are enforced only when they need to be, again a very different philosophy then we have in the West. Most Thais loathe P4P and hookers are generally looked down upon. I wish this was not the case. It would be nice if it were legal and a legitimate form of work. Blame males for that actually as most men want to "own" women sexually.

You are 100% correct about Thais not harassing openly. Very true. However, they do use tone of voice, sarcasm, and looks like no other. Every Thai knows exactly where they stand on that "pecking order."

For a visitor your advice is sage. For a resident, not so much so. Taking hordes of bar girls back to your apartment could cause you to lose your lease in many cases.

[Mr Enternational]

My suggestion: Don't care what other people think, just enjoy your time with the p4p-women here. Including "parading" in the street. Also enjoy GFE with them it that's your cup of tea. Just have in the back of your head that it's a game. I hope you all out there have a nice time with your tea, whatever cup it is in.Damn right JT. It's your holiday so just enjoy it and more than likely nobody is going to know you anyway. Whenever me and my wingmen go to a new destination we usually have P4P chicks show us around. Our first time in Bangkok chicks from Angel's Disco showed us things that we probably would not have ever known was even there.
If you need to stray maybe your gf isn't the one for you!Whoever said that if you have a girlfriend you were not allowed to deal with anyone else? That would depend on the terms of your relationship. Most people don't take the time to go over what they expect with or from each other. They just assume the other person has the same ideas that they have. That is why before my relationship started I told my girlfriend that I was a player and made sure she was okay with that. I know myself and I'm too old to pretend to be something that I am not or not be something that I am. That doesn't mean that I am going to be disrespectful towards her. I am going to be discrete with what I do.

[FreebieFan]

I'm glad my life is simple now. I have my family and my friends, children and grandchildren. I'm not now nor ever expect to be in a romantic relationship. I can do anything I damn well please. I can fuck as many different woman as I wish. No need for lies and deception. It is a very liberating feeling. I don't need a wife or lover. I prefer my own company. I get along smashingly well with myself. No conflicts. No other person's needs to worry about. A couple of hours, an evening or a few days of superficial sex with an endless array of pretty young ladies engaged in what I think is a very noble profession takes care of whatever needs I, my family or friends cannot. Life is good.Without the grandkids bit, you have just perfectly described my own life and my own feelings toward it. Great piece of articulation.

[Jimmy Boy 99]

I'm not now nor ever expect to be in a romantic relationship. I can do anything I damn well please. I can fuck as many different woman as I wish. No need for lies and deception. It is a very liberating feeling. I don't need a wife or lover. I prefer my own company. I get along smashingly well with myself. No conflicts. No other person's needs to worry about. A couple of hours, an evening or a few days of superficial sex with an endless array of pretty young ladies engaged in what I think is a very noble profession takes care of whatever needs I, my family or friends cannot. Life is good.Amen, brother! My point of view exactly!

[Western787]

Anyways the girls are back. Packed stages but no penises. Will prices cum down? Supply and demand is not in balance-soemthing has to give. Quoting one of the greatest philosophers and thinkers of the 20th century Chance the Gardener: "There will be growth in the spring!"

[IamJohnGalt]

PK, you compared a GOOD sex worker to a COMMON wife. Why not compare good with good or common with common? A good sex worker is hard to come by and takes many trials to find. With a limited time in Bangkok a guy has to dive in head first without pussyfooting around. He is subject to a big margin of fuck ups throughout his many trials.

A guy has all the time in the world to choose a wife so there is no reason to be in such a rush that he fucks up and chooses wrong. And if I was to choose a wife I wouldn't get a common one as you have described. She would have to be damn good for me. I'm not understanding how and why guys are choosing women who won't eat right and go to the gym, won't have sex with them when and how they want it, and demand money, and then later on complain about it. My relationship with my wife was nothing like that. We always kept our money separate and each paid the bills that each was responsible for. When we decided to break up we split everything that we had obtined together evenly. It sounds like some guys should make wiser decisions.You and PK have hit on why I am here and not slaving away to pay a mortgage for a wife in USA.

I am too damn hard to please to be married. So many beautiful flowers and lovely fragrances.

[Paul Kausch]

You and PK have hit on why I am here and not slaving away to pay a mortgage for a wife in USA.

I am too damn hard to please to be married. So many beautiful flowers and lovely fragrances.Know thyself. Not all people are cut out to be in a long term relationship. At least not in every phase of their life. I knew one seemingly happily married couple who in the sixties decided to get a divorce. They were adamant there were no serious problems in the relationship. They both decided they preferred to be single. I knew other couples where after decades of marriage one person came to that conclusion and acted on it. The spouse was not very happy with that. In my case I think I have been single for so long and have become so fond of my near total freedom that it would be difficult to be in a relationship.

[Goatscrot]

That is why before my relationship started I told my girlfriend that I was a player and made sure she was okay with that. I know myself and I'm too old to pretend to be something that I am not or not be something that I am. That doesn't mean that I am going to be disrespectful towards her. I am going to be discrete with what I do.I would suggest employing a "don't ask don't tell policy." Announcing to her that you are going to be doinking other women is not being discreet. You are putting it in her face. It is not pretending, it is the way men handle the situation here.

Personally I don't know any woman that would want to hear that from a dude."If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it."

[Goatscrot]

Know thyself. Not all people are cut out to be in a long term relationship. At least not in every phase of their life. I knew one seemingly happily married couple who in the sixties decided to get a divorce. They were adamant there were no serious problems in the relationship. They both decided they preferred to be single. I knew other couples where after decades of marriage one person came to that conclusion and acted on it. The spouse was not very happy with that. In my case I think I have been single for so long and have become so fond of my near total freedom that it would be difficult to be in a relationship.Totally get that. I can see how at points in one's life, being alone is a wonderful thing.

[Goatscrot]

I am not condemning anything, I am stating the obvious, hard to have discourse with you because you keep changing the facts. This was not a discussion about culture or rules or not making waves. You're changing the chords of the song. But again, I am not convinced by your argument so I will keep doing this my way and in no way am I going to try to convince you of anything. Believe whatever you want.Obvious? You are simply stating your feelings and judgements about Thai culture. And yes, you were condemning in your post, which of course it fine, but just own it.

[Goatscrot]

I have my family and my friends, children and grandchildren.What I am for sure happiest about is that I have almost reached 50 and have never had kids. Wives, girlfriends, yes, you can get out of those with relative ease, but kids, that is a commitment till you die. One I will pass on.

[Goatscrot]

Boy, didn't you ask the sixty-four thousand dollar question!

If a guy is in a happy relationship why would he need a steady diet of sex workers? Seems something is wrong; but I don't mean wrong in a moral sense.

When I've been unattached, I've fucked as many different women as I can. When I've been in an unhappy relationship that was falling apart, I've cheated on my partner. When I've been in a good relationship, I've had no desire to fool around behind my partner's back. At that time that woman satisfied all of my emotional and sexual needs. I had no need to seek sexual gratification from another woman. I loved and wanted to be faithful to my partner. Cheating would have hurt me, as I knew it would hurt her.

Now I understand why a guy who feels trapped in an unhappy marriage with a woman he does not love and is not physically attracted to has affairs. I'm not going to judge the fellow, nor blame him for his situation. We all make mistakes. We can marry the wrong woman. Religion, extended family, children, family finances, many reasons can make it too difficult to get out of an unhappy marriage. The need for a couple hours of bliss in the arms of a sexy young woman who is satisfying our sexual needs is understandable. I can understand having relationships outside the marriage: a regular girlfriend, a regular sex worker, or a series of affairs with non-pros or pros. The poor fellow is just dealing with a difficult situation, trying to hold a bad marriage together while occasionally satisfying emotional and sexual needs that are not being taken care of within the marriage.

I won't go into a consistent pattern of cheating on a girl friend. That is something I don't understand. One fling during a bad period in the relationship, I get that. I don't understand a need to have periodic sex outside a good relationship. I try not to pass judgment on others. I've encounter so many surprising situations in my life, it seems now nothing surprises me. When I see someone do something I don't understand, rather than criticize the bloke, I just assume I've never been in the same situation as he so who am I to judge.Love and sex are two very different things. While one can remain fairly constant, love, sexual attraction fades in a relationship.

Just finished a very good book about the physical reasons for this. Unrealistic expectations are one of the reasons relationships end.

Actually I don't at all consider meaningless sexual encounters "cheating" to say. They are fun like a roller coaster ride but carry no meaning or emotional content.

However, if you are out with other women looking to fill something that is lacking emotionally in your relationship, then there is of course an issue.

For me that is not the case. I am not dating, romancing, or interacting beyond the sex act and all that is involved with it. I have no desire beyond that.

When I am the most content and happy with life, work, GF, etc, that is when I go out and doink the most. Why? Because I am happy and feel good, therefore my sex drive is high. Same goes with alcohol. I don't drink when I feel bad, I do when I feel good!

[Run Mann]

Obvious? You are simply stating your feelings and judgements about Thai culture. And yes, you were condemning in your post, which of course it fine, but just own it.No, I did not and its not fine and I will not own it. I am not a pretender so I have no need to impress anyone to gain their approval.

[Goatscrot]

No, I did not and its not fine and I will not own it. I am not a pretender so I have no need to impress anyone to gain their approval.Here is your quote- "Look, you can go ahead and live your life to gain the approval of a culture that is to put it mildly, corrupt and morally deficient by any standards. There are some great people here in Thailand but this culture as a whole is in no position to lecture anyone on lifestyles acceptability. I know I don't have to explain that to anyone. Lose face concept = ruse (use as a convenience, I mean which culture wants to lose face?)"

"Corrupt and morally deficient by any standards." I would say that is quite judgmental, ethnocentric, and condemning. You would disagree?

[Run Mann]

Here is your quote- "Look, you can go ahead and live your life to gain the approval of a culture that is to put it mildly, corrupt and morally deficient by any standards. There are some great people here in Thailand but this culture as a whole is in no position to lecture anyone on lifestyles acceptability. I know I don't have to explain that to anyone. Lose face concept = ruse (use as a convenience, I mean which culture wants to lose face?)"

"Corrupt and morally deficient by any standards." I would say that is quite judgmental, ethnocentric, and condemning. You would disagree?Yes! The truth is what it is but after all your postings, you still failed to convince me and from the responses below several others here. There's no where else to go with this.

[Paul Kausch]

Love and sex are two very different things.

I am not dating, romancing, or interacting beyond the sex act and all that is involved with it. I have no desire beyond that.

When I am the most content and happy with life, work, GF, etc, that is when I go out and doink the most. Why? Because I am happy and feel good, therefore my sex drive is high. Same goes with alcohol. I don't drink when I feel bad, I do when I feel good!On the first point above, I and I think most men would agree with you.

On the second point. I get it. It is like you are using the woman's orifices in the place of your hand. Makes sense. It feels better and there is no need to fantasize about it because you are doing it.

On the third point, that also makes sense. Though one of the odd things about my marriage was regardless the general quality of the relationship, the sex was always good or better. My ex and I could have a ferocious fight and then immediately transition into some of the hottest and wildest sex we ever had. I think I was trying to show her how hard I could pound her and she was trying to show me should could take it and dish it back just as hard. Reading what I just wrote, that sounds weird, and kinky. Afterwards we might remark how we should fight more often. Unfortunate, that came true. LOL

[Bart1]

Sitting here this afternoon in my hotel BKK on soi4 enjoying these philosophical postings today. Canadian guy with grandkids visiting thailandia the past 7 weeks slowly getting over breakup of a 21 month relationship with a gorgeous 26 year old colombiana last October in Medellin with the help of some beautiful thai girls. Remember a posting that the writer said maximum time together 3 times to avoid a relationship starting, good plan! But it seldom seems to work for me. Back to Kanuckistan next week for a month then to Havana as my top 3 favorite chicas are Cubanas, Colombianas, Thaisanas, Canadianas are so far down the list there is not room on this page to write.

[Goatscrot]

Sitting here this afternoon in my hotel BKK on soi4 enjoying these philosophical postings today. Canadian guy with grandkids visiting thailandia the past 7 weeks slowly getting over breakup of a 21 month relationship with a gorgeous 26 year old colombiana last October in Medellin with the help of some beautiful thai girls. Remember a posting that the writer said maximum time together 3 times to avoid a relationship starting, good plan! But it seldom seems to work for me. Back to Kanuckistan next week for a month then to Havana as my top 3 favorite chicas are Cubanas, Colombianas, Thaisanas, Canadianas are so far down the list there is not room on this page to write.Damn, nice life you are living. Would love to hit Columbia some day. Compare and contrast Columbia and Thailand for those of us who have not been. Lifestyle, cost, gals, etc!

[Goatscrot]

On the third point, that also makes sense. Though one of the odd things about my marriage was regardless the general quality of the relationship, the sex was always good or better. My ex and I could have a ferocious fight and then immediately transition into some of the hottest and wildest sex we ever had. I think I was trying to show her how hard I could pound her and she was trying to show me should could take it and dish it back just as hard. Reading what I just wrote, that sounds weird, and kinky. Afterwards we might remark how we should fight more often. Unfortunate, that came true. LOLPaul, I think passion fuels sex. After a time the initial passion wanes, but a volatile relationship can fuel passion as well. I have had relationships as such in the states and yes the sex can stay at a fevered pitch for a time. But at what cost? As you stated,"that came true." For me as well, several times.

In the almost 7 years I have been with my gal we have had a total of three fights. Our home environment is peaceful. We have complimentary personalities and get along very well. There is no jealousy, no competition, it is just well, nice. Trade off is not a whole lot of passion, but I am totally ok with that and so is she. It is a subject we have discussed many times. There may be a point where that is not ok, but we shall see. Her parents have been together for 35 years and have a similar type relationship. It is what she has known. Growing up in a safe, nurturing home that is peaceful without fighting and drama, makes a real difference in the type of relationship one can have.

Of course nothing is quite as intense as a relationship with a gal who has daddy issues, low self-esteem, and low self-concept. The sex is always amazing but there is never security and peace.

I don't really need or want that type of intensity at home. It leads to "that came true," more often than naught. I want a nice pleasant fun safe environment lacking in tension.

If I want a wild experience I will go rent it.

[Mr Enternational]

Damn, nice life you are living. Would love to hit Columbia some day. Compare and contrast Columbia and Thailand for those of us who have not been. Lifestyle, cost, gals, etc!To me Colombianas are the most beautiful women in the world (albeit these days there is a lot of plastic surgery going on down there - tit and ass implants, body sculpturing). As far as lifestyle, there really is not anything to do. There is a big mall culture. They just walk around brand new malls not buying anything. There is not a big variety of food either. The hookers aren't so cheap either. I shop at some of the lower end fuck houses in a neighborhood of Bogota called Santa Fe. I get a girl for 1 pop for about $10-$15. I have gotten them to say they will stay all night for $50, but I keep non-pros for that. I think most guys are going there and paying at least $100 ST. For a place to live, to me Thailand wins hands down.

[Member #4387]

Sitting here this afternoon in my hotel BKK on soi4 enjoying these philosophical postings today. Canadian guy with grandkids visiting thailandia the past 7 weeks slowly getting over breakup of a 21 month relationship with a gorgeous 26 year old colombiana last October in Medellin with the help of some beautiful thai girls. Remember a posting that the writer said maximum time together 3 times to avoid a relationship starting, good plan! But it seldom seems to work for me. Back to Kanuckistan next week for a month then to Havana as my top 3 favorite chicas are Cubanas, Colombianas, Thaisanas, Canadianas are so far down the list there is not room on this page to write.I have been following the latest discussion but as I view Thailand as a "banana republiq, (look it up through google) I will not have anything to do with Thailand ex I have for the latest soon to be 8 years just come and go, maby 20 times or so each year(almost all girl related and thats it). Never wanting to stay above 14 days at the time (well have been up to 18 days on one occation but then pussy meet was good). I can see reasons for staying here as you work in global company with office (s) or on the other side of the scale you live here for pussy (something like goat I believe). He obviously combine the two or seven reasons). I have to say i also get the same impression from some of my girls from a rather large regular fleet girl, some of them beeing edued in US, Swiss or in some good UNI in BKK..(i dont study background when no reason to so may be it all BS but they are well behaved and know stuff a average thai girl would not know, ie foreign politics) c

But you did well my friend, after a bad break up what is better than to go out and hunt for pussy. I will hereby admit that norwegian girls are great for sex but I ran out of lust for them in my late twenties (I ran into my gf though beeing a half pinay / norwegian but atleast she looked different with all black hair and dark greenbrown eyes, she is born and raised in Norway ofcourse as I don't see me bringing a foreign girl to my parents dinner table).

My early thirties I spend in Venezuela and Colombia and the latter beeing by far the wildest sex experience I ever had (in average) not saying Venezuela was bad, by all means, Cafe Ole in Caracas (close to the french embassy was great area to hang out but rather hi so). And yes I been to booty girls in Rio, Salvadore, Sao Paoulo, Recife, Natal, Curtibia, Fortaleza, Porto Alegre, Manaus etc (all in a+ service) and several other places. But Colombianos serves a better purpouse beeing extremely wild in the sack and will do everything to your desire ex maby strangling (I did have one crazy ***** though asking me to sufficate her, which I did not). This was not even paying ladies, back then. Got it from free ex maby buy a bottle of vodka in the club or sth (but unlike some here I don't see me spending 20000bhts in a club and fuck for free as vaste of money as I do it all the time, even if it is for free I still give sth for gift, beeing present or money in an envelope with "gift" written all over.)

So it seems you have a great life, continue so please. Soon you are hooked with gf, baby and gods know what? My gf just borned me a daughter (to be frank straight from moms pussy she looked ugly, hehe). I know I will be protective when she grows up and I have license for rifles, pistols and you will never see her where we hunt.

[Hiihii]

Saw a Rainbow girl (old Buzzard) on her way to work. Without her makeup she looks like a grandmother. Not all that great a looker in her work face either. Very nice though.

[Bart1]

To me Colombianas are the most beautiful women in the world (albeit these days there is a lot of plastic surgery going on down there - tit and ass implants, body sculpturing). As far as lifestyle, there really is not anything to do. There is a big mall culture. They just walk around brand new malls not buying anything. There is not a big variety of food either. The hookers aren't so cheap either. I shop at some of the lower end fuck houses in a neighborhood of Bogota called Santa Fe. I get a girl for 1 pop for about $10-$15. I have gotten them to say they will stay all night for $50, but I keep non-pros for that. I think most guys are going there and paying at least $100 ST. For a place to live, to me Thailand wins hands down.Mr. International you mention a lack of food variety, I have always found lots of variety in Colombia for example, chicken, french fries and bean soup for lunch, then for dinner bean soup with chicken and french fries, and then of course ketchup as the the Colombians put ketchup on everything. But then I do not go for the culinary delights. The Colombianos love the big fat asses whether natural or silicon which is great for it leaves all the "flacquitas" [slender ones] for me.

[Western787]

I also don't understand why some guys want to add "semi-" in front of prostitute to make it seem like she is any less of a prostitute. .The term SEMI pro can be an important distinction particularly when its one of the major defining characteristics of a market, and can be defined (as Hutsori has on the AC thread) as "a woman who does not earn her livelihood primarily through the exchange of sexual services but on occasion supplements her income by doing so." More semi pros generally mean better quality, more normality, and less jaded providers, and for example (on that basis alone) makes the P4P scene very different when one compares lets say Bangkok to New York City.

[Rjsss212]

Of course nothing is quite as intense as a relationship with a gal who has daddy issues, low self-esteem, and low self-concept. The sex is always amazing but there is never security and peace.

If I want a wild experience I will go rent it.Yea, but thank god their nutty mothers had them and they're around and for us to rent but as you said, only to rent. But remember, those nutty mothers had sons as well and who do you think marries those nutty girls, and many of them post here.

[Giotto]

What's so funny about his post G? Different people have different comfort levels. When I was living in Brazil I had a couple of girlfriends (one a lawyer and the other in media) who wanted to go to the hooker disco with me out of curiosity. One of them couldn't wait to get away from there while the other did not feel uncomfortable being there.Mr. Enternational,

Quite easy to answer your question. It is NOT FUNNY that some girls / woman want to go and check out this scene. Not at all.

It is FUNNY if it is mentioned before that members (hookers) of that scene are considered to be "low lifes" and "dirty".. And then the women check out the scene. Judgement is made already. Thais are hypocrites, as you may know, and some western Thais too.


Giotto

[Giotto]

Yes.

It's the pecking order, nothing more nothing lessHmmm.

Not sure about that...


Giotto

[Giotto]

So, I've observed another distinction. Girls who were raised in or around Bangkok (or a suburb) and girls who were raised in a northern region.

Bangkok or nearby suburban girls seem to speak the correct Thai and seem to have cleaner etiquette (or maybe can fake it) and northern girls speak a blend and or dialect and seem out of place.Rjsss212,

Many issues here.

One problem is that many girls from the North-East (Issan) speak Lao (s) language, not really Thai. And there are lots of prejudices popping up here.

Another issue is the "polite" language, which is usually taught in higher level schools, or from parents with a higher education level. All Thais can easily recognize that, and classify others accordingly.


Giotto

[Giotto]

Fuck you, Giotto. And the flea bitten horse you rode in on.

It may surprise you to know that few girls will go to hooker areas, despite all of them knowing about it. Some are curious but would certainly never go there alone, some aren't even curious. I personally know both kinds. So, yes, having a quick escorted tour makes sense for some. Perhaps it's schadenfreude, perhaps something else. All I know is what she told me afterwards.Phordphan,

I love you, too.

Nevertheless - think it through.


As for hanging around me, who knows? I gave up the bar scene several years ago, mostly because I got tired of the low-lifes who populated the scene. Guys like you and your GFs, perhaps? Guys like the OP who parades around with a hooker on his arm and wonders why locals give him shit? I'm sure none of my faves would have anything to do with me if I still frequented the farang night-life areas. I do know her comments concerning bar girls are reflected by each and every "normal" Thai girl I know. If your experience is different, so be it.
You gave up the bar scene several years ago? Then we are really happy that you still write here. Quite unusual that you did not lose your interest in this forum. And I am just one of this low-lifes. I assure you. Don't worry.

PS. Methinks the gentleman doth protest too much. You've made a nice living catering to this segment of the population. Does having your (former) clientele classified as "dirty" and "low life" cut a bit close to the bone?
Oh yes, my living was fantastic. In THB 6 digits losses every month made it paradise. Livingstone's was a money burning machine.

And I do not remember to classify my customers EVER as dirty. Low lifes - I met lots of them.


Giotto

[Giotto]

I think anybody with a brain (which may exclude several contributors here) would agree that P4P means exchanging sex for money. You could probably also include high-priced gifts as money. And that's fine. I have no problem with it. There is no point in self-delusion. One can be a prostitute without being a full-time prostitute.

But as far as I can tell, none of the "normal" girls I know have ever exchanged sex for money / gifts. They're not virgins by any means. But they don't hang out in bars nightly, they don't cruise pick-up joints on the weekends. They've never slept with a guy on the first date or had a one-night stand. They can number their boyfriends on one hand. And they all have high paying jobs and aren't looking for a sugar daddy. They wouldn't accept money if I offered it. Hell, on a relative scale a couple of them probably have more money than me. So, I submit that there is a very clear line between P4P and non-P4P. It's just some guys want to pretend the girl they give "gifts" to really isn't a hooker.Phordphan,

Besides the fact that I don't have brain (of course not). I disagree.

Some exceptions exist, as you describe. The majority is different.

Giotto

[Giotto]

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I dated a bar girl for quite a time when I first arrived. Even though she was always polite when I brought her to certain functions, events, or dinners, there was always looks, scorn, and I was judged by the company I kept. Of course that is not at all what ended the relationship, but when it did end I decided that if I was going to have another Thai girlfriend then she would have to meet certain criteria. Taking physical attractiveness and compatibility as a given, not having worked as a bar girl was number one (I say bar girl as was well stated one can never know if a gal had sex for money at some point). Having a family that was financially secure and was not a parasite looking for a "host" farang was second. Being a Uni grad, Uni student, or running a biz was third. Forth, which is the only one I a really willing to give some leeway on is a gal "having a bit." House, condo, land, etc.Goatscrot,

I don't really get all of your post, but - if you went to an official dinner / business meeting / friends party or whatever with a bar girl then you definitely have certain problems and suffer of misconceptions. Everybody with education will immediately sense whom you are with there.

The point is: If you go there with a reasonably educated MidSo girl that right works her way up the latter. Nobody will sense the above. Still - it is possible, for me likely, that her interest in you is basically comparable to the interest a P4P girls would have in you (I tried to express this politely).


Giotto

[Oosik]

i visited som's haven on thursday and friday during the early afternoon. not a lot of staff, maybe six or seven, but it only takes one, or sometimes two. or three in dire situations. i generally take the next in the queue and finally, after decades, the law of averages swung in my favor. thursday i had niew, a rather cute little thing with decent english and long light brown hair. she was wearing sort of a catsuit, but the body looked good except for the unfortunate acreage of tattoos peeking out around her neck. god only knows what all is under there. but a bj does not require that to be revealed, and she has a cute face, so i didn't have to close my eyes and imagine (choose one or more) kate upton, miranda kerr, or a peanut butter loving dog down there. good technique, not just the old miniature oil rig method, and good stamina. i'd have repeated, except. .

friday she had already been bf'd by 4 pm. bummer. so i went back to the queue thing again and did okay, though not another niew. fon is a rather tall and big girl, but not in the fat sense: just rather broad shoulders and a face to go with them. add blonde hair and blue eyes and you have the classic nordic look. her english wasn't as good, but that is of little consequence in the bj business. we used the end room so had the little sink, so my privates got properly bathed, but again wiped with the towelette nonetheless. maybe it is a germicidal thing. or it really, really stunk. again, great technique, though a lot more of the standard sucking, probably because there was a lot more time. the previous day had been remarkably fast by my standards (my standards usually require a calendar, not a clock) , maybe because of the eye candy, maybe because it was my first for this trip. with fon it was back to the usual, 'i think i can. i think i can. ' business. if blow job marathon were an olympic sport (and i think we should start a petition) , thailand would have a gold. good attitude, rarely coming up for air, just a few hand strokes on occasion. finally, i suggested going with the hand and baby oil method, and this brought results in a rather alarmingly messy manner: her, the carpet, the sofa, and possibly chiang mai. i tipped heavily.

[Goatscrot]

Goatscrot,

I don't really get all of your post, but. If you went to an official dinner / business meeting / friends party or whatever with a bar girl then you definitely have certain problems and suffer of misconceptions. Everybody with education will immediately sense whom you are with there.

The point is: If you go there with a reasonably educated MidSo girl that right works her way up the latter. Nobody will sense the above. Still. It is possible, for me likely, that her interest in you is basically comparable to the interest a P4P girls would have in you (I tried to express this politely).

GiottoGiotto, I would not disagree with you.

Being close to 50, I would not seriously date a women under 30. 35 is all the better. Established and with her own money, so that would kind of negate similar interests to P4P gals.

[DRRonin]

Have been hitting a few go-gos the past few nights. Went to Crazy House tonight. Easily the best go-go in Bangkok in terms of looks, no other go-go is in the same ballpark but I can't say I like the setup much as they have very few comfortable seats to watch the girls from. They really need to re-arrange the whole place and put in better seating. The infamous mamasan who so many have unkind words for padded my bill with an extra drink so take a close look. Apparently, they are now doing shows upstairs beginning at 10pm but I didn't stick around for it. It's a rare show that is worth sitting through as far as I am concerned. But they seem to work in getting guys in the door. I think Spanky's has some of the worst looking girls on the planet earth but it is almost always packed with customers when this girl takes me there to visit one of her friends and the only reason I can think of are the shows. And maybe the faux spanking.

After CH my friend and I walked down Soi Cowboy and were particularly enchanted by the Coyote girls outside of Sahara. I have avoided the Coyote bars in SC like a venereal disease but we figured what the heck, the girls are cute and it will only cost a beer. Which was 200 baht as it turned out. On the menu it states that the go-go girls can be bar fined for 800 baht. Not great but these girls were looking fine so I inquire from a service girl and then a mamasan about them. The service girl says the bf for Coyote girls is 7, 000 baht. I assume I have misheard her and ask again. 7,000 baht. No wait here it says 800 baht. She replies, that is for the go-go girls, not Coyote girls. Coyote girls are 7, 000 baht just for the barfine. At that point I didn't bother to ask how much they charged. I have to wonder if anyone has ever barfined one of these girls. Lady drinks were 230 baht. It turns out that they have a handful of go-go "girls" of which half of them were clearly lady boys and the females were not much better looking.

Coyote bars have pretty much taken over Soi Cowboy and are slowly making advances in Nana Plaza. Went to Wild Thing on the 3rd floor 2 nights ago. This used to be Tokyo Nights and before that Las Vegas. Now it is primarily a Coyote bar. For some strange reason it has never been popular even back when it was LV and had a bunch of good looking women. But I would say it has hit rock bottom now. One at a minimum expects Coyote girls to be somewhat attractive but most of these girls were awful, overweight and unpleasing to the eye. But from what I understand much cheaper than those in Sahara. 1,000 baht barfine and 2, 000 for the girl. Wild Thing also gets my vote for the worst music in any go-go and that is not an easy award to win. The dj seemed to feel it is necessary to overlay every song with the same bass beat that shook the room. I left with a headache. I often wonder, as a manager is it more important to make musical choices for the dancers or for the customers. The dancers seem to have won out because the vast majority of customers I see are 40+ and I could be wrong but blasting rap and hip-hop would likely not be their first choice. Erotica on the second floor is the only go-go I know of that still plays rock music. Unfortunately that is about the best thing going on in there. Coyote girls are also in Fantasia, Play Skool and tonight Mandarin upstairs introduced a small sampling of them. Mandarin upstairs will soon be re-opening the floor above and possibly introducing some nude dancing. The bf for the Coyotes is only 600 baht but the mamasan said they might not choose to go with customers. In Play Skool the Coyotes get 23, 000 baht in salary but have to bring in 150 drinks a month and 50 baht will be deducted for every drink less than that. Most go-go bars set a quota of around 60 drinks a month. So a fair amount of pressure is on Coyote girls to get customers to buy them drinks.

Between lady boys being in 7 bars I think it is now and Coyote girls slowly creeping in you have to wonder how long Nana Plaza will be a friendly place to visit and partake. It's not hard to see that this is the future and that within five years the go-go scene will be a very different place than it is today just as today is very different for the go-go scene from five years ago.

[Paul Kausch]

HCoyote bars have pretty much taken over Soi Cowboy and are slowly making advances in Nana Plaza.

Between lady boys being in 7 bars I think it is now and Coyote girls slowly creeping in you have to wonder how long Nana Plaza will be a friendly place to visit and partake. It's not hard to see that this is the future and that within five years the go-go scene will be a very different place than it is today just as today is very different for the go-go scene from five years ago.I seem to remember hearing or reading the the "Arab," who is actually Iranian, is one by one taking over venues; and that his goal is to get rid of the "prostitution" aspect of the gogos. In other words, no more bar fines. He wants what I think of as old fashion strip clubs with booze. Anyone else hear anything about this.

I think it will be difficult to pull this off. If he temporarily succeeds someone will open a gogo, encourage bar fines and thrive; others will follow suit. Am I wrong to this way?

[Western787]

I seem to remember hearing or reading the the "Arab," who is actually Iranian, is one by one taking over venues; and that his goal is to get rid of the "prostitution" aspect of the gogos. In other words, no more bar fines. He wants what I think of as old fashion strip clubs with booze. Anyone else hear anything about this.

I think it will be difficult to pull this off. If he temporarily succeeds someone will open a gogo, encourage bar fines and thrive; others will follow suit. Am I wrong to this way?Near term 2 to 3 years, yes, I think the market will offset this with new (true) Go Go's opening and offering barfinable girls. Short of the political mess and violence continuing (and scaring off tourists) and losing another high season, the mega trend (recently documented by Stickman among others) is going to continue.

You've got an underlying structural change occurring.

This is more than the "Arab" doing this, it has something to do with Thailand (especially Bangkok) moving toward 1st or 1. 5 world or thereabouts status, as the clubs are having trouble getting hot girls willing to be explicitly barfinable.

At Nana parking lot after clubs close, you will sometimes see 30 to 40 agency girls getting paid and readying for transport home. Point is the clubs like Fantasia literally cannot find enough hot girls willing to be traditional go go "working girls". If they could - they would, and the manager or owner there (a Brit or Aussie) pretty much admits this. He would much rather have non agency girls. But he has no choice.

Much of this could be about losing face and less girls (sort of the way G Club girls work under a pretense of sorts) willing to presents themselves as de facto hookers when they can instead just be "Coyotes" (who dance and sell drinks). Of course for some they got the semi pro option and doing it without making it so explicit and that market will continue.

At some point if Bangkok moves toward just " old fashion strip clubs with booze" (with less and less offsets)) of course they lose a lot of the sex tourist market but maybe they figure along with mindless spending Japanese, there will emerge an unlimited number of Chinese who will just descend on Bangkok no matter what. Geographics and economics are going to work in Bangkok's favor as China becomes the #1 superpower.

Right now Bangkok is a good balance between a world class city and many (moderate pricing) P4P options yet with a practically 3rd world cost of living - and the question is how long can that last?