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Western787
04-30-14, 21:58
Because they are now running unchecked in the states, with now multiple NFL teams being sued by ex members of their Cheerleading squads, for among other things lack of pay, being made to get weight checks, and a variety of other issues. And here is the Ballbuster lead attorney at the center or all these cases: http://www.levyvinick.com/images/pic_people_vinick.jpg
Some teams now have decided to just eliminate the squads. The ballbusters just don't want increased pay, or stopping of the degrading "jiggle test" a test clubs do to make sure the girls haven't gained any weight between games and for forth, this is about shutting down NFL Cheerleaders squads completely. In fact it was ballbusters 20 years ago that threatened to boycott advertisers if the broadcast networks didn't limit Cheerleader camera shots to a maximum of 10 seconds per game (true) , which is fact is the rule they all follow now, but I guess that wasn't enough for the ballbusters.
Go Go's? Lousy strip clubs? Strip club patrons can only wish strip clubs were anything near as good. And if they disappeared? It would be a major hit to the entire Bangkok P4P experience. More than anything THEY are the (globally recognized) core visual element of the entire industry, the very symbol of Bangkok in terms of the adult entertainment business. Taking them away would be like Disney losing Mickey Mouse.
Strip Clubs in the states, for example even the big ones in New York City, are typically only going to have a very small number of girls on stage at any given time vs Go Go's like Rainbow 4 or Baccarra who routinely have 30 to 40 girls on stage all with a number and virtually all available for takeout, with their stage presence almost overwhelming the senses of the average patron walking in. Even small Go Go's routinely have 8 to 15 girls on stage. Strip clubs are basically just a tease, and attractive strippers also offering FS are few and far between, and will typically cost you 3 to 5 timers the cost of Bangkok Go Go girls, for a session sometimes lasting as short as 15 minutes, and usually behind only a curtain.
Go Go girls are not necessarily good value for FS compared to other Bangkok options like FL's and Oil girls, but in terms of entertainment and the in-club experience, they are hard to match.
Now in regard to the huge numbers of Coyotes now working in the clubs, probably 80% are in fact available for OTC, so they are really (hybrid)"Coyote-take out" girls, Yes, the barfine portion itself will at least be double, but its still cheap compared to the west. Now there are still pure Coyotes, some that don't seem to even dance like the scrawny barely 18 year old (doorgirl) Coyotes working outside the "Arab's" Bars in Soi Cowboy, but that's not really reflective of the larger emerging (hybrid) Coyote trend going on, which if anything is keeping the supply of P4P girls higher than it otherwise might be, as most of these girls once they taste the big money rarely want to go back to normal work, unless they find their rich dudes.I think the biggest difference between BKK and clubs in the States, or Mexico, or just about any other place, is that the girls in these other places dance. And strip. And at least make things more visually exciting. A bunch of girls standing around in bikinis, doing the Buffalo Shuffle, isn't much of a draw, IMHO. Even if they are available for take-out. Personally, I think the current business model is dying. Business is down all over. Expats seem to be avoiding the go-gos primarily, as you point out, because they are a terrible value. I think their days are numbered.
i, too, couldn't care less if the go-gos, etc, disappeared overnight. they're a hangover from the vietnam era. and, they tend to be lousy strip clubs, which was sort of their main attraction. pre-crackdown most go-gos were chock full of nekkid, or nearly so, ladies. today, not so much.which "crackdown" do you refer to? the biggest crackdown i ever noticed was when thaksin came to power many years ago. bars were required to close earlier, non-thai and **** girls were swept out. since then, things have gradually gone back to normal. the presence of complete nudity has come and gone depending on the police administering the nana plaza, cowboy, and phat phong areas. when i first arrived 20+ years ago, there was no complete nudity in cowboy, nor nana plaza and only in upstairs phat phong. once nudity arrived at nana plaza, e. g. lollipop, pretty lady, voodoo, etc. i was obviously going there in preference. then complete nudity was stamped out in np and later showed up in suzie wong at cowboy and long gun. today there is as much full nudity as ever, i guess. crazy house has girls walking around completely naked as well as dancing naked. suzie wong and long gun still have full nudity, also doll house etc. then there are the numerous look up the skirt clubs, with no knickers (not my preference). at nana, spankies has some full nudity and i am not sure which other clubs. most np clubs don't have full nudity but plenty of g-string type clubs, where little is left to the imagination.
most go-gos are not strip clubs, although long gun clearly does do strip type of shows, and i am sure there are others. stripping is not exciting to me. i just prefer to see girls naked. i was even surprised i got a hard on last time at crazy house where girls have shaved pussies. looking at the girl's bottom, she had considerable gap so that pussy was clearly visible in detail through the gap. dick went up which is unusual for me purely from visual stimulus.
Now in regard to the huge numbers of Coyotes now working in the clubs, probably 80% are in fact available for OTC, so they are really (hybrid)"Coyote-take out" girls, Yes, the barfine portion itself will at least be double, but its still cheap compared to the west. Now there are still pure Coyotes, some that don't seem to even dance like the scrawny barely 18 year old (doorgirl) Coyotes working outside the "Arab's" Bars in Soi Cowboy, but that's not really reflective of the larger emerging (hybrid) Coyote trend going on, which if anything is keeping the supply of P4P girls higher than it otherwise might be, as most of these girls once they taste the big money rarely want to go back to normal work, unless they find their rich dudes.I had recently checked out Cowboy 2 Coyote as girls there are BFable, but I did not take one. I think they wanted 2k BF and 6K ST. Maybe I have these numbers slightly wrong now. Bad memory. Maybe I exaggerate. None of them seemed worth it. LOL.
Last night checked out Rio, an "Arab" bar I believe. The reason was simply a girl outside was pretty and had an incredible body. Curvy and muscle toned, perhaps only tall with high heel boots. Once inside I too noticed that most of the Coyote girls on stage were too lazy to dance. Most were rather average looking. Only one or two were really hot. The one I followed tended to keep making ugly expressions on her face when talking to her female friend. I decided despite her beauty, I was not even interested enough to wait and call her for a drink. I was sort of swamped by girls that I did not even glance at, who were of absolutely no interest at all. The girls in Crazy House are better looking, overall even if there are a couple of fat ugly girls.
Very few customers In Rio. It was after midnight so perhaps they have more customers at other times. However I can believe that these bars are not making any money and are there for money laundering purposes. Cowboy 2 is different as it is not owned by the Arab and seems to be more popular.
Last time I was in Deja Vu, a long time ago, it was hybrid of Coyote and Go-go girls. I did not like it as the Go-go girls were below standard. had some LBs too. Meanwhile I think bars like Doll's House are about to go bust. Too many fat girls working in there and bad management with silly rules.
When I moved here 95% of my sessions were that good. And all 1k baht or less.Mine as well, though from 2007-2014.
Although I tend to hang on to great performers & seldom try any new ladies, as they are generally a disappointment. 9 times out of 10. I also usually tip extremely well.
When was your experience, the HIV heyday of 1994, when you were 22? I'm glad you survived it.
BTW congrats on your 1000th post. Keep it up.
I It was after midnight so perhaps they have more customers at other times. However I can believe that these bars are not making any money and are there for money laundering purposes. Cowboy 2 is different as it is not owned by the Arab and seems to be more popular.Arabs do not need to make much money laundry. Unless you refer to those from countries where there is an unstable (or possibly a not so easy) government.
It is other people bringing money in arab countries for money laundry!
Western787
05-01-14, 12:00
I think the biggest difference between BKK and clubs in the States, or Mexico, or just about any other place, is that the girls in these other places dance. And strip. And at least make things more visually exciting. A bunch of girls standing around in bikinis, doing the Buffalo Shuffle, isn't much of a draw, IMHO. Even if they are available for take-out. Personally, I think the current business model is dying. Business is down all over. Expats seem to be avoiding the go-gos primarily, as you point out, because they are a terrible value. I think their days are numbered.By "western" I mean western advanced countries, not third world hell holes like Mexico, locales where strippers are not really strippers at all. Dancing style to me has little to do with the draw of looking at naked or near naked women, its the near 100% availability factor that I think adds to the sexual element. In advanced western countries strippers are (for the most part) generally just strippers. While expats and high frequency visitors tend to get very complacent about the sheer volume of girls available in Bangkok, its not the norm in the west, and in fact most western males are used to being in a sort of sex prison, and when they arrive in Bangkok, Go Go's are still a big deal.
Those in sex prisons are still willing to pay absurd amounts to buy sex. By the way here's latest "girl selling her virginity" auction. Bet you the high bidder is not Thai. The high bidder's (with $550,000 being offered) country of origin is not listed, but so far, bids have arrived from Serbia, USA, UK, Australia, and Japan, not surprising as nearly all are ballbusting areas. And Japanese love western blondes of course.
Ask yourself, what kind of hotties would ($550,000 U.S) $17,774,358.33 bahts in Bangkok currently buy? 11, 850 NPL girls for starters, or a lot higher quality elsewhere around town.
http://www.examiner.com/article/medical-student-virgin-elizabeth-raine-auctions-virginity
http://elizabeth-raine.com/photo_gallery.html
http://www.heavy.com/news/2014/04/elizabeth-raine-virginity-auction-photos-pics-bidder-winner-medical-student/
Arabs do not need to make much money laundry. Unless you refer to those from countries where there is an unstable (or possibly a not so easy) government.
It is other people bringing money in arab countries for money laundry!The "Arab" is actually not an Arab at all. Why he is referred to as the Arab I don't know. He is actually from somewhere like Lebanon or Turkey I believe I may have heard.
I'd suggest that with the existence of the internet in YK2, as opposed to the pre internet era, a smaller percentage of punters are ignorant about pricing & "romance scams". In 2014 hobbyists are better informed because of the world wide web than they were in 2004.Thai girls are still getting scammed into going to work in other countries on "contract". I am a aware of a girl recently scammed into going to the UAE to work supposedly in a restaurant. These scams get huge publicity on the TV.
Several persons told her not to go under any circumstances. She insisted she was going under her own arrangement to work in a friend's restaurant. She was lying (out of embarrassment). Now she calls back from UAE and admits she was duped just like we said from the start. I assume she is stuck in some brothel without her passport any more till some debt is paid off. I don't actually know all the fine details as its not a girl I know well. A friend of my GF's brother.
So even Thais get scammed. A Chiangmai girl arriving at Morchit bus station got scammed into paying a massive taxi fee to go to Bang Na too like 4 times the normal price. She simply could have insisted on the meter. So it is just dumb Farangs getting scammed.
FruitNinja
05-01-14, 15:52
I had recently checked out Cowboy 2 Coyote as girls there are BFable, but I did not take one. I think they wanted 2k BF and 6K ST. Maybe I have these numbers slightly wrong now. Bad memory. Maybe I exaggerate. None of them seemed worth it. LOL.
Last night checked out Rio, an "Arab" bar I believe. The reason was simply a girl outside was pretty and had an incredible body. Curvy and muscle toned, perhaps only tall with high heel boots. Once inside I too noticed that most of the Coyote girls on stage were too lazy to dance. Most were rather average looking. Only one or two were really hot. The one I followed tended to keep making ugly expressions on her face when talking to her female friend. I decided despite her beauty, I was not even interested enough to wait and call her for a drink. I was sort of swamped by girls that I did not even glance at, who were of absolutely no interest at all. The girls in Crazy House are better looking, overall even if there are a couple of fat ugly girls.I don't mind the Coyote girls. What I do mind is when they come up asking for drinks and then tell you they do not BF. That's just wrong. So now I ask first. I mean really? I'm not there to buy drinks.
FruitNinja
05-01-14, 16:45
I was thinking of doing SE Asia end of September to end of October. Start in BKK and probably hit Vietnam and the Philippines. I know it's hard to predict weather paterns. Especially nowadays. What can I expect. I'll go again in mid January but wanted to squeeze in a mid-year trip.
Thanks in advance.
FN
Thai girls are still getting scammed into going to work in other countries on "contract". Now she calls back from UAE and admits she was duped just like we said from the start. I assume she is stuck in some brothel without her passport any more till some debt is paid off. I don't actually know all the fine details as its not a girl I know well. A friend of my GF's brother.
So even Thais get scammed. .Or maybe she is in some MP, at least a level up than a brothel.
Those scams come from their own fellow thais. By the way!
I was thinking of doing SE Asia end of September to end of October. Start in BKK and probably hit Vietnam and the Philippines. I know it's hard to predict weather paterns. Especially nowadays. What can I expect. I'll go again in mid January but wanted to squeeze in a mid-year trip.
Thanks in advance.
FNExpect rainy season in BKK at that time of the year. I do not know about Vietnman and Philippnes but there are often typhoons at that time of the year. They move quickly and hit different areas. Can just be rain or haevy rain, but certainlyit is not nice weather they bring along
I think the biggest difference between BKK and clubs in the States, or Mexico, or just about any other place, is that the girls in these other places dance. And strip. And at least make things more visually exciting. A bunch of girls standing around in bikinis, doing the Buffalo Shuffle, isn't much of a draw, IMHO. Even if they are available for take-out. Personally, I think the current business model is dying. Business is down all over. Expats seem to be avoiding the go-gos primarily, as you point out, because they are a terrible value. I think their days are numbered.Agreed. There is little to no value for locals. It is simply theater and the addition of Coyotes has just reinforced that. Gawkers and neon abound. If it weren't for the fact that the Cowboy bars are separately owned shophouses, it would have been gone long ago. It sits on some of the most valuable land in the city. Patpong has the market, and tourists can shop and see the "girls." There really is no value for expats.
The "Arab" is actually not an Arab at all. Why he is referred to as the Arab I don't know. He is actually from somewhere like Lebanon or Turkey I believe I may have heard.He is Middle Eastern American.
agreed. patpong has the market, and tourists can shop and see the "girls." there really is no value for expats.just as ping pong shows etc.
good for tourists where the man can dare toring the wife / gf pretending "it is a tourist must see" and peep some nudity with the partner aside!
i cannot see a mongerer, be him occasional or regular, oing to see one of those shows, what for?
some might enjoy the eyecandy of a coyote place, but after 1-2 times, jusgetting (maybe) blue balls and having the hitch.
Mine as well, though from 2007-2014.
Although I tend to hang on to great performers & seldom try any new ladies, as they are generally a disappointment. 9 times out of 10. I also usually tip extremely well.
When was your experience, the HIV heyday of 1994, when you were 22? I'm glad you survived it.
BTW congrats on your 1000th post. Keep it up.Wow! 1k posts. Thanks for the congrats.
I was 29 in 94 actually and that was when I started P4P in Mexico. Lots of border runs then. Thailand was first in 99.
Never really worried about HIV so much. Other things yes, but the "butt-flu" not really. I was having way too much fun. Sukhumvit was quite different then.
It is the rainy season but I wouldn't worry about it. I was there last Sept and it was not a problem. Actually was planning on going back this year at that time but
Plans were interrupted. I was also in Viet Nam and Cambodia during that time. Again, no problem. Now I do expect some rain and it is hot, but nothing that would
Stop me from going again during that time. Still, everyone has an opinion and this is just mine.
Western787
05-01-14, 19:31
The "Arab" is actually not an Arab at all. Why he is referred to as the Arab I don't know. He is actually from somewhere like Lebanon or Turkey I believe I may have heard.He's Iranian (therefore Persian not Arab) and his competitors do it to tick him off.
Reef LostCause
05-01-14, 21:46
The "Arab" is actually not an Arab at all. Why he is referred to as the Arab I don't know. He is actually from somewhere like Lebanon or Turkey I believe I may have heard.A lot of people use "Arab" for "Muslim" and vice-versa.
Paul Kausch
05-01-14, 23:42
He is Middle Eastern American.Stickman claims he is Iranian. Seach the Stickman weekly over the past couple of years and you'll be able to find the column in which he reported that.
Paul Kausch
05-01-14, 23:43
He's Iranian (therefore Persian not Arab) and his competitors do it to tick him off.That's funny. Calling an Iranian and Arab would tick him off.
Paul Kausch
05-01-14, 23:47
It is the rainy season but I wouldn't worry about it. I was there last Sept and it was not a problem. Actually was planning on going back this year at that time but
Plans were interrupted. I was also in Viet Nam and Cambodia during that time. Again, no problem. Now I do expect some rain and it is hot, but nothing that would
Stop me from going again during that time. Still, everyone has an opinion and this is just mine.After a heavy rainy season there can be bad flooding in Bangkok in October; but the predictions are an El Nino is forming and there will be below average rainfall; and already the water shed is depleted. Thai farmers are being advised to reduce the amount of land they plant and to use drought resistant varieties.
Which "crackdown" do you refer to?I was referring to the Purachai "crackdown"
By "western" I mean western advanced countries, not third world hell holes like Mexico, locales where strippers are not really strippers at all.You clearly haven't been to Mexico in a while. It's hardly a third-world country. And every dancer is available for take-out. The same can be said of just about every Central American and South American club.
I didn't make it to Crazy House this trip. It sounds a lot like Tijuana's Hong Kong club, which is very popular for those who like those kinds of clubs, and it sounds a bit more like the old days. Due to the attitudes and poor value I gave up on go-gos a while back. Now it's mostly massage and free-lance encounters for me, in both hemispheres.
That's funny. Calling an Iranian and Arab would tick him off.Yes, they are very sensitive about that. Technically, they aren't Arabs and they do get pissed off if you call them such. Beverly Hills is now chock full of them, BTW. I could go on a rant, but I'll zip it.
Paul Kausch
05-02-14, 03:39
Yes, they are very sensitive about that. Technically, they aren't Arabs and they do get pissed off if you call them such. Beverly Hills is now chock full of them, BTW. I could go on a rant, but I'll zip it.Right, my understanding is the historic Persians were Aryans and classical Parsi was a Hindu-European language. The Arabs are Semites; and they speak a Semitic language. Of course today's Iranians are a mix of Persians, Arabs, Turks and others; and Farsi while similar to classical Parsi has been influenced by Arabic and other languages. Islam was forced on them by conquest. The Persians were Zoroastrians, who were monotheists. Some people believe the Zorastrian faith predates Judaism by as much as a millennium. When Cyrus the Great freed the Jews from the Babylonian captivity and their priests started to interact with Zoroastrian priests they abandoned the belief that their god was the first among many gods and adopted the belief their god was the only god. Through the shahs reign the Zoroastrian Iranians played an important role in the upper echelons of Iranian society. After the revolution they were persecuted and many of them, that is those who were not killed, ended up up in Europe and the USA, especially on the east coast, as did the Iranian Christians. I encountered many Iranians in Southern California. Almost all of them seemed to be Iranian Jews.
This is my recollection of some the things an Iranian girlfriend told me. She was Zoroastrian and claimed to be pure Persian. She said this was possible because for 1500 years her ancestors only married other Zoroastrians, so her blood was "pure." Whatever. She had a very poor opinion of Islam and the Iranian Arabs as she called the majority of Iranians. She used to say Islam was a stupid religion invented by a bunch of desert thieves. Also, though her hair was black, her skin was whiter than mine and she had emerald green eyes, a beautiful and very smart lady with some very strong opinions.
By the way, feel free to vent your rage and rant in a PM to me. I suspect we could trade war stories about our respective dealings with Iranians.
FruitNinja
05-02-14, 05:36
[QUOTE=This is my recollection of some the things an Iranian girlfriend told me. She was Zoroastrian and claimed to be pure Persian. She said this was possible because for 1500 years her ancestors only married other Zoroastrians, so her blood was "pure." Whatever. She had a very poor opinion of Islam and the Iranian Arabs as she called the majority of Iranians. She used to say Islam was a stupid religion invented by a bunch of desert thieves. Also, though her hair was black, her skin was whiter than mine and she had emerald green eyes, a beautiful and very smart lady with some very strong opinions.[/QUOTE]Paul,
I'm jealous! I think Iranian women are some of the hottest in the world. I've tried Indian here in the states but she was a drunk. Tried Egyptian but that didn't work out. I just picked up a new Pakistani honey that I'm actually thinking of moving her in. Mistake I know, but I've made a few of those in life. I just can't resist.
Paul Kausch
05-02-14, 05:55
Paul,
I just picked up a new Pakistani honey that I'm actually thinking of moving her in. Mistake I know, but I've made a few of those in life. I just can't resist.FN,
My advice is, fight the temptation. But what do I know? If you do move her in, good luck.
Paul
I noticed a recent debate regarding drinking at Annie's and the Salon so this should clear things up.
The policy at Annie's, the Salon and Nuru are now exactly the same. We don't want customers to simply come in and sit down to have a few drinks and then decide if they want to pick a girl or not and the reasoning behind this is very simple. If a couple, newcomer to Thailand or a slightly nervous person walks in and the area to view the girls is filled with six or seven guys having a few beers they can be easily put off and quickly leave the premises, I have seen this happen at Annie's and the Salon in the very early days. Now we are not saying we refuse to serve drinks unless you first pick a girl by any means. To quantify our policy a customer is welcome to have as many drinks as they want, in the case of Annie's in the downstairs area, in the Salon and Nuru immediately outside where there is always seating and obviously inside the rooms after picking a lady. The reason we discourage drinking in the viewing area is because it is simply bad for business.
If three guys were sitting in Annie's and had four beers each the takings (not profit) from this are 1, 080 baht. If a guy and his wife / girlfriend walk in and were put off by lewd comments like "can I join the orgy, I won't charge a penny" or "pick number xx I shagged her last week, she's proper filthy" then the place would lose 3,920 baht. 1,080 v 3,920. This is not a purely hypothetical scenario this has actually happened.
A few days ago, in Annie's, two guys walked in and were politely informed of the policy regarding drinking to which they replied they didn't have time to pick a girl and just wanted to look at the girls in the fishbowl while they had a few beers. They seemed to have trouble understanding the reasoning behind the policy which for the life of me I can't see anything complicated about it, it is purely a business decision.
Now some people reading this may be thinking that they have been to the Salon and upon exiting have seen two or three guys sitting in the bar area drinking a beer, yes you probably have. If three customers pick a girl and two are finished earlier than the third I have no problem allowing them to sit at the bar, order a drink and wait for their friend.
I hope this makes things clearer for all but if anyone has any questions please feel free to ask and I will be more than happy to answer them.
Regards.
Dr BJ
Pointy Stick
05-02-14, 15:23
this is my recollection of some the things an iranian girlfriend told me. she was zoroastrian and claimed to be pure persian. she said this was possible because for 1500 years her ancestors only married other zoroastrians, so her blood was "pure." whatever. she had a very poor opinion of islam and the iranian arabs as she called the majority of iranians. she used to say islam was a stupid religion invented by a bunch of desert thieves. also, though her hair was black, her skin was whiter than mine and she had emerald green eyes, a beautiful and very smart lady with some very strong opinions.
by the way, feel free to vent your rage and rant in a pm to me. i suspect we could trade war stories about our respective dealings with iranians.arabs have a high rate a genetic abnormalities due to marriage between cousins. when i hear about blood purity, especially within a closed community, then i think of [CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128).
i was referring to the purachai "crackdown"okay that's the same crackdown i referred to as it happened when thaksin came to power (i just checked and was 2001). long time ago now. all the bargirls had to be registered, had to have proper i.d. proving they were thai and not ****, had to have regular medical checks, and bar were required to close early for a time. which simply meant that mongering had to shift slightly earlier. did not seem to last that long before many bars were illegally staying open later than 2a. m. limit.
thermae was always a bar that stayed open past closing time for the normal bars, but when i attended there recently they said was about to close and was 1:45am. i had no idea that thermae hours had shifted too.
you don't really know the most about the trends in the bars if you haven't seen crazy house yet. this bar is busy and growing in popularity. they get the prettiest girls by paying a bit better salary. it pulls the customers well. not that much fake looks, so popular with westerners and japanese. other bars going bad could learn from this. the other bars need to hire prettier girls, as simple as that. its miles superior to even popular bars rainbow 4 and baccara in my opinion due to low incidence of nose jobs and silicones, and mostly good natural naked looks.
the girls don't have to be all good on the bed, since guys can go their just for fun without barfining anyone, maybe buy a few drinks and play around. that's my normal operation. i try to only barfine if the chemistry is reasonable and i like both the face and body a lot. i have girls i prefer to bf elsewhere. some girls can make good money from drink commissions without doing any bfs.
girls dance very naked (shaved pussies) and wander around or sit with customers completely naked too at times. many gropers are attracted to this bar. lol. i am very moderately behaved in comparison. i have a favourite waitress who sometimes hangs with me when no one needs service. she is very nice looking too (not one of the lb waiting staff).
there is no stripping. what would be the point? stripping is boring to people very used to full nudity. it just wastes time. if you really like stripping, you can go to some other bars. stripping never did anything for me whatever country i was in. i was always frustrated. is she ever going to get it off? its just plain annoying. that's my view.
It is the rainy season but I wouldn't worry about it. I was there last Sept and it was not a problem. Actually was planning on going back this year at that time butYes I agree. The weather in Thailand is not a big issue. Sure I have been caught in a massive downpour between a bar and the nearby ST Hotel. So what?
If you plan to go diving or snorkling in coral areas that is a different issue. Its quite hard to get good information on the best weather time of year for visits to the Islands. What I do know is the weather of the gulf of Thailand side and the Andaman side are very different. Don't go to the East side for coral Islands rainy season, late in the year or even January. Wait till at least February for better weather I reckon. The Phuket side has better weather and sparkling clean ocean far earlier, so its okay as early as December. That's my experience in general.
Once went to Krabi in the wet season. It poured with rain nearly every day. Not the best fun at the seaside. For Bangkok, it just doesn't matter much. Any time of year is okay Its supposed to be peak of the hot season now, but really not too bad for me.
I feel allergic to bras, and like to look at beautiful bottoms unencumbered by silly G-strings, knickers, etc.
You don't really know the most about the trends in the bars if you haven't seen Crazy House yet. This bar is busy and growing in popularity. They get the prettiest girls by paying a bit better salary. It pulls the customers well. Not that much fake looks, so popular with westerners and Japanese. Other bars going bad could learn from this. The other bars need to hire prettier girls, as simple as that. Its miles superior to even popular bars Rainbow 4 and Baccara in my opinion due to low incidence of nose jobs and silicones, and mostly good natural naked looks.
The girls don't have to be all good on the bed, since guys can go their just for fun without barfining anyone, maybe buy a few drinks and play around. That's my normal operation. I try to only barfine if the chemistry is reasonable and I like both the face and body a lot. I have girls I prefer to BF elsewhere. Some girls can make good money from drink commissions without doing any BFs.
Girls dance very naked (shaved pussies) and wander around or sit with customers completely naked too at times. Many gropers are attracted to this bar. LOL. I am very moderately behaved in comparison. I have a favourite waitress who sometimes hangs with me when no one needs service. She is very nice looking too (not one of the LB waiting staff).
There is no stripping. What would be the point? Stripping is boring to people very used to full nudity. It just wastes time. If you really like stripping, you can go to some other bars. Stripping never did anything for me whatever country I was in. I was always frustrated. Is she ever going to get it off? Its just plain annoying. That's my view.I didn't make it to CH this trip, although I wanted to. This trip was spent mostly outside of BKK (actually outside of Thailand). What free time I had in BKK was often tied up with work. Grrrr.
It sounds like CH may be a throwback to earlier days. If so, great. A place like that was the only reason to go to a go-go. I'll make an effort to visit next trip, as it sounds far more interesting than the average go-go.
Stripping never did a lot for me, either, but at least the girls were dancing. Far too many go-gos used to feature a bunch of bored girls standing next to poles, chatting with each other. I don't care if they were available or not, it was boring, at least to me. Now if the girls are actually dancing nekkid, with a bit of fun and energy, then I'm all for it. I'll never again pay an inflated bar fine, and a super-inflated fee to the girls, but at least that would provide some eye candy while sipping a brew.
Now just to inject a bit of philosophical blather here, the strip club, or go-go (a terribly outdated '60s term) , or whatever one wishes to call it, is basically a western concept. Or maybe a North American concept. (Yes, Salome danced for Herod, but probably didn't strip). It really doesn't seem to fit the Asian Modus Operandi. I prefer to do the P4P scene as the locals might, in whatever country I'm visiting. Of course within reason, and not at the very bottom of the market. In Mexico and Central America the local lasses congregate along the bar, wall, etc, in a particular bar. The guy comes up, chats, offers to dance, buys 'them a drink, whatever. They're all available. The Asian market tends to gravitate to karaoke (God forbid!) and some variation of massage. In other words, the men always have ways to indulge in some hanky-panky, but it's more discreet and behind closed doors. The in-your-face go-go concept was really grafted onto some SEA societies by the Yanks. Frankly, I'm surprised the Thais have put up with it as long as they have. That's why, as Thai society evolves (and perhaps even moves away from a patronage-based system) , I suspect such venues will be phased out.
Or, perhaps sheer economics will just price them into oblivion. If you can't get pretty girls to work in the bar, if such girls as you can find demand exorbitant fees for mediocre performance, if rents force drink prices into the WTF range, the market will dry up on its own. Who knows? It is interesting to watch.
Member #4698
05-02-14, 18:30
Syzygies is absolutely right. Chemistry is key. It does not augur well for success in the bedroom if the chemistry is lacking between you and the bar girl. Rule #1: DO NOT BARFINE a girl if she does not pass the audition. Good looks are necessary for me to consider barfining a girl, but good looks alone is not sufficient for me to barfine a girl. I met a quite a few girls in Crazy House in April, but I took only two girls home with me. Both girls were a lot of fun in the bar. It was no surprise therefore that they were both even better back at my hotel room.
I like to frequent Go Go's and bars. Between 8:30pm and 10:30pm there is no place I would rather be except when I decide to take in an occasional soapy. When I go to a Go Go or bar, I am obviously looking for girls, but I have no problem walking out and trying another place if I fail to connect with any of the girls I see and find attractive. First screen for looks. Second check for a positive fun attitude or good vibe (chemistry) between you and the girl. Only Barfine when both conditions are met.
Paul Kausch
05-02-14, 18:38
Now just to inject a bit of philosophical blather here, the strip club, or go-go (a terribly outdated '60s term) , or whatever one wishes to call it, is basically a western concept. Or maybe a North American concept. (Yes, Salome danced for Herod, but probably didn't strip). It really doesn't seem to fit the Asian Modus Operandi.I've read and heard the modern strip club is an invention of the USA. It developed in the burlesque theaters and featured famous dancers like Gypsy Rose Lee and Sally Rand. Thomas Edison made a film in 1901 with a striptease dance as the subject. In European literature an erotic dance during which a woman removes her clothes to sexually arouse a man is much older. Seventeenth and 18th Century English and French plays included scenes involving prostitutes performing a striptease dance. There is a line in Thomas Otway's comedy The Soldier's Fortune (1681) where a character says: "Be sure they be lewd, drunken, stripping working girls".
Asia's first USA-style strip clubs appeared In Japan during the USA occupation after the end of World War II. At first Japanese striptease acts were very modest. Women did not remove their bras and panties. By the 1950s Japanese strip shows became much more explicit, evolving into live sex shows. The first live sex shows I heard of in the USA were in the Time Square district of NYC in the 1970s.
The USA GIs during the Vietman War, or American War as my Vietnamese friends call it, were the major impetus behind Bangkok's P4P industry in general and gogo bars in particular.
I found an estimate of US$75 billion in global revenues for strip clubs. About 4% of this is generated in the USA. In 2014 USA GDP is projected to be 18.44% of the global GDP, adjusted for purchasing power parity. So today the USA is a relatively small contributor to the global strip-club industry.
After reading the comments I can only add what a good friend said to me one time after he married a Persian." Her pubic hair es like a brillo pad." Don't know how this fits in but it came to mind.
Paul Kausch
05-02-14, 23:25
After reading the comments I can only add what a good friend said to me one time after he married a Persian." Her pubic hair es like a brillo pad." Don't know how this fits in but it came to mind.My "Persian" girlfriend and thick, straight, black hair. It was not coarse. Her Bush, was black and thick, but she kept it trimmed. The coarseness was comparable to most other Caucasian women I've had sex with. A pointless reply to your post.
Western787
05-03-14, 02:17
The policy at Annie's, the Salon and Nuru are now exactly the same. We don't want customers to simply come in and sit down to have a few drinks and then decide if they want to pick a girl or notThat's somewhat the same point I was making in regard to the (large) soapies. Unlike Go Go's like Rainbow 4 where one can repetitively night after night visit the club (so long as you buy the drink) , soapie palaces aren't really designed (except incidental drop bys or good faith attempts to at least try to find a girl that interests you) JUST to basically hangout and watch the "eye candy". OK there is no dancing but some like Poseidon, otherwise wouldn't be a bad place to hang, and a few have the sideliner setups adjacent to the fish bowls anyways, and its actually kind of entertaining watching (usually which Jap or Thai) picks which girl, and what the fishbowl girls will do to attract attention. And some shy type customers might just walk out if they were to see a bunch of boozers just hanging.
The ultimate point is Go Go's could be overpriced and sometimes overrated for talent but also underrated for the pure entertainment value of the experience;
That's somewhat the same point I was making in regard to the (large) soapies. Unlike Go Go's like Rainbow 4 where one can repetitively night after night visit the club (so long as you buy the drink) , soapie palaces aren't really designed (except incidental drop bys or good faith attempts to at least try to find a girl that interests you) JUST to basically hangout and watch the "eye candy". OK there is no dancing but some like Poseidon, otherwise wouldn't be a bad place to hang, and a few have the sideliner setups adjacent to the fish bowls anyways, and its actually kind of entertaining watching (usually which Jap or Thai) picks which girl, and what the fishbowl girls will do to attract attention. And some shy type customers might just walk out if they were to see a bunch of boozers just hanging.
The ultimate point is Go Go's could be overpriced and sometimes overrated for talent but also underrated for the pure entertainment value of the experience; Uh, most large soapies serve food as well. No problem with hanging out.
okay that's the same crackdown i referred to as it happened when thaksin came to power (i just checked and was 2001). long time ago now. all the bargirls had to be registered, had to have proper i. d. proving they were thai and not ****, had to have regular medical checks, and bar were required to close early for a time. which simply meant that mongering had to shift slightly earlier. did not seem to last that long before many bars were illegally staying open later than 2am limit.
thermae was always a bar that stayed open past closing time for the normal bars, but when i attended there recently they said was about to close and was 1:45am. i had no idea that thermae hours had shifted too.the purachai crackdown has had a lasting effect on the p4p industry in bangkok. what was once quite a free for all is now far more subdued. it did a lot to kill the free spirited fun that was had. took a few years to really take effect, but was a major contributor to the kind of boring scene we see now. sadly, the **** problem still exists. when i was in ch it seems they might have an issue with that there.
Paul,
I'm jealous! I think Iranian women are some of the hottest in the world. I've tried Indian here in the states but she was a drunk. Tried Egyptian but that didn't work out. I just picked up a new Pakistani honey that I'm actually thinking of moving her in. Mistake I know, but I've made a few of those in life. I just can't resist.Iranian women are hot! As are many Lebanese. When the country finally gets the Fundy gov out, it should be fun.
the purachai crackdown has had a lasting effect on the p4p industry in bangkok. what was once quite a free for all is now far more subdued. it did a lot to kill the free spirited fun that was had. took a few years to really take effect, but was a major contributor to the kind of boring scene we see now. sadly, the **** problem still exists. when i was in ch it seems they might have an issue with that there.its true the bars are less busy. more boring? not really. most of them have always been boring. bars, on average are less crowded as business is down. this may be due to people thinking its too expensive, most likely. girls on average may be worse looking. e. g. i look in doll's house and see a lot of pudgy girls and just 2 or 3 better ones. maybe because its doing badly, that is all this bar can get.
i don't think the time of bars being packed out really made them more exciting. exciting bars had always been a contradiction in terms.
some bars have gone downhill. long gun used to be far better a few years back, maybe 6 years ago, because they had some excellent cabaret dancers, who could put on a high class dance act. it also had pat pong type shows that attracted many tourists, i never could understand why. i did not want to see the smoking pussy, or firing darts at balloons. one or two girls from that time still remain.
sheba was a good bar but unfortunately closed. suzie wong took over many of those girls, but music has not been as good at sw.
bars like shark have always had bad music. crazy house music definitely better but not great. good enough to be not irritating to an old guy.
spankies is doing quite well. the spanking straps don't do anything at all for me, but that is the style of the bar. rainbow bars are so-so for me. not naked enough, and too much silicone. only ever bfed about 3 rb4 girls. one stayed all night and was quite good. the others so-so.
That's somewhat the same point I was making in regard to the (large) soapies. Unlike Go Go's like Rainbow 4 where one can repetitively night after night visit the club (so long as you buy the drink) , soapie palaces aren't really designed (except incidental drop bys or good faith attempts to at least try to find a girl that interests you) JUST to basically hangout and watch the "eye candy".And dead wrong. Most Soapies are designed to sit and hang out and eventually decide if you want to take a girl or not. You would be weird if you did it daily. Annies is an exception. That is why its only a half-soapy in style of operation. No (other) "Soapy" has a ring the bell type of operation.
I don't call it watching "eye-candy", its more like window shopping, with a view to buy when something really interesting shows up.
Annies is not a large Soapy. Try Amsterdam, La Defense, La Belle, Utopia, and sit in the lounge as long as you like. Chao Praya II has a large fishbowl, and they also have an entertainment club with singers on stage. You can sit and eat in either part. Tarawadee has a big area to eat and drink and soapy girl seating areas are on several sides.
Paul Kausch
05-03-14, 04:44
Iranian women are hot! As are many Lebanese. When the country finally gets the Fundy gov out, it should be fun.Obvious George finds at least one Lebanese woman hot. I was too young and then busy in grad school to travel outside of the USA at the time, but in the late 60s and early 70s Tehran was considered to be a very fun and interesting city. My Iranian girlfriend and her Iranian female friends were very passionate in every sense of the word. Which was good and bad.
FruitNinja
05-03-14, 05:59
After reading the comments I can only add what a good friend said to me one time after he married a Persian." Her pubic hair es like a brillo pad." Don't know how this fits in but it came to mind.Mackin,
I think it's girl specific. I had an Italian gf in high school. By the time I was done my dick was raw. That's why man invented the razor. Although I don't mind the thin, straight Asian muff.
Wolvenvacht
05-03-14, 07:05
I think the biggest difference between BKK and clubs in the States, or Mexico, or just about any other place, is that the girls in these other places dance. And strip. And at least make things more visually exciting. A bunch of girls standing around in bikinis, doing the Buffalo Shuffle, isn't much of a draw, IMHO. Even if they are available for take-out. Personally, I think the current business model is dying. Business is down all over. Expats seem to be avoiding the go-gos primarily, as you point out, because they are a terrible value. I think their days are numbered.Except for the few choreographed "shows" (if you can call it that) in for instance Suzie Wong, there is no dancing. It is just a glorified line-up, giving you the chance to inspect the girls, try to catch her eye and gauge her reaction. And of course looking at 10+ young Asian girls, all available for some adult fun, strutting their stuff within your reach, is already something many men will travel far and wide to experience.
Its true the bars are less busy. More boring? Not really. Most of them have always been boring. Bars, on average are less crowded as business is down. This may be due to people thinking its too expensive, most likely. Girls on average may be worse looking. E. G. I look in Doll's House and see a lot of pudgy girls and just 2 or 3 better ones. Maybe because its doing badly, that is all this bar can get.
I don't think the time of bars being packed out really made them more exciting. Exciting bars had always been a contradiction in terms.
Some bars have gone downhill. Long Gun used to be far better a few years back, maybe 6 years ago, because they had some excellent cabaret dancers, who could put on a high class dance act. It also had Pat Pong type shows that attracted many tourists, I never could understand why. I did not want to see the smoking pussy, or firing darts at balloons. One or two girls from that time still remain.
Sheba was a good bar but unfortunately closed. Suzie Wong took over many of those girls, but music has not been as good at SW.
Bars like Shark have always had bad music. Crazy House music definitely better but not great. Good enough to be not irritating to an old guy.
Spankies is doing quite well. The spanking straps don't do anything at all for me, but that is the style of the bar. Rainbow bars are so-so for me. Not naked enough, and too much silicone. Only ever BFed about 3 RB4 girls. One stayed all night and was quite good. The others so-so.Guess I should explain what I mean by "boring." When I first arrived and would be out in Cowboy or Nana, after purchasing a gal a drink, it was no issue to kiss, fondle, etc. And I am not talking about places like After School. I am talking Long Gun, Rainbow, etc. Nowadays that seems like a rarity. Last time I had diddlin' like that in a major bar was Shark about 5 year ago when a gal took my finger and shoved it up her ass.
Member #4698
05-03-14, 11:48
Guess I should explain what I mean by "boring." When I first arrived and would be out in Cowboy or Nana, after purchasing a gal a drink, it was no issue to kiss, fondle, etc. And I am not talking about places like After School. I am talking Long Gun, Rainbow, etc. Nowadays that seems like a rarity. Last time I had diddlin' like that in a major bar was Shark about 5 year ago when a gal took my finger and shoved it up her ass.This is a major advantage MNL, AC, and Subic Bars have over Cowboy and Nana Go Go's. (Better music is another advantage.) You can still do amazing things with a girl inside the bar before you decide to barfine her in the PI. Try Bottoms and Rogues in Makati for example. You will not be "bored". I guarantee it. LOL. The Malioboro Hotel lounge in Jakarta is another place where getting to know your girl intimately before taking her upstairs is the way. Lastly, I have found that a number of Go Go's in Pataya seem to have looser attitudes about in-bar fooling around. It's too bad about BKK Go Go's, but I am still a loyal customer. I like some of the girls despite the restrictions.
Uncle Volodya
05-03-14, 14:16
Greetings fellow Mongerers!
I am on day 4 of my trip to Thailand. As I beging writing this I am in Pattaya with a sweet young thing in my bed. Sorry I haven't posted earlier. Just been having too much fun and too lazy to do so. But I am inspired by Sir Lancelot and other fellow mongers to make my contribution. Here are days one and two in Bangkok to get you up to date.
Arrived on the red eye and was tired as hell as I only got a few hrs of sleep on the plane. All went smooth at the airport and got to the hotel fine. Stayed at Town Lodge on Soi 18 (they now have changed the name to Studio hotel). They were nice enough to let me check in right away so that I could get some sleep. All in all the place was a good deal and close to the action. But the nightclub / bar, Toxic is now closed and the cute girls that worked there are gone. The hotel is lacking the free wheeling and fun atmosphere of years past. I may try another place on my next trip.
Woke up around 3PM and started getting my bearings. My intitial plan was to hit Angel Massage on Soi 26 for a post-flight pick me up. But having done some MP action during recent business travels l was not al that eager to just dive in. I needed to loosen up a bit first with some drinks and banter with the girl. Si I Decided to hit the Bier Garten first. The plan was not necessarily to take a girl from there, but to just check out the scene, flirt a little bit and have some drinks and hit Angels after I loosened up.
Hit Bier Garten just before 5. The action there was much better than I remembered (maybe I am getting old and m standards are dropping). But seriously, most were pretty unappealing (to me). But at least 3-4 gems in the place. All were, however, on the older side. 30+. But some really had that milfish thing going for them.
After doing a couple of recon passes around the bar, I grabbed a beer and saddled on up to the two most interesting candidates. One was very hot. A little older, alabaster skin (like the Japanese like) and curvy figure. I can't recall her name now. Her friend was also very nice. Long limbed and slender a real spinner, her name was Fa. The first girl was aloof and not very easy to talk to. Little full of herself (Fa later told me that she had many customers and was stuck up because of it). Btu the friend, Fa, was very nice. Smiling and joking with me. After the friend left we get to know each other better with her hugging and caressing me. Though I initially suspected that I may have fallen victim to a bait and switch, I was really getting into this girl and so decided to break my plans and take her for the evening. Since I was tired this would be an easy way to ease myself into the trip. She asked for 4K up front. I countered with 3. 5K saying I would tip her an additional 500 if the service was good. It was still very early, so this would be a very good value.
We had a nice dinner in a courtyard restaurant in the next Soi over and then walked to my place. I was a little apprehensive when we arrived in my room and she asked I she could watch her show. But we went right at it the minute we finished showering. GFE with lots of kissing and cuddling in between sessions. She really seemed into it and came 3 times during our lovemaking. She also gave me a very nice massage. She stayed until 11 AM the next day. So despite the high price tag I think this was a great value. But as my time in BKK was limited I am not sure I would repeat. Though she did make sure to get my contact info and seemed genuinely happy when I agreed to become friends with her on FB.
We also had some interesting conversations. She told me she is from South Thailand and that she did not like people form Issan very much saying they were manipulative and dishonest. Not sure I agree but it was interesting to hear her perspective. I learned also that she is 32, and has been at this for a few years now. She got hurt vey early on in lie by a guy that she was supposed to marry, but left he for another woman. Now she says that she is not looking for love just guy friends that take care of her. I found her to be attractive, but she was self concourse of her looks. Both because she was skinny (I could wrap my hands almost completely around her waist when doing her doggy) and (quite typically) because she though her complexion was not white enough. She really warmed up to my compliments of her looks and I think this was a big reason why she liked me- that and my handsome man looks of course.
After a nice morning session with Fa, I rested a bit and then headed out to do a few hours of shopping at MBK. My plan again was to shop until afternoon and then go to Angel's. But I got sidetracked with shopping an wanted to chill at the hotel a bit before heading out for the evening. The plan was to first check out Thermae before going to Nana and the Rainbow bars to check out some of the hotties Sir L mentioned in his fantastic reports. Thermae gets a very bad rap on this forum. But I had great success there about 6 years ago during my only other trip to Bangkok. So I was determined to check it out for myself before writing it off.
I arrived there around 9 PM and it was already pretty full. As mentioned in other reports it is very heavily dominated by Japanese clients, with just a few sprinkling of older (50+) farang about. I grabbed a beer and checked the line up. Frankly, I was not all that impressed. Of about 40-50 girls there, I only found about a 10 or so to be attractive. As I made my rounds they were all relatively friendly and not as aloof or hostile to Westerns as some report imply. I got quite a few come hither looks as I made two loops around the place. I finally settled on stool opposite a light skinned and curvy little hottie who had given me the look before. Not the hottest girl, but a solid 8, and definitely among the top 4 or 5 in Thermae at that time. Soon we were joking and making faces at each other. She had a very nice smile and laughed at my antics. After about 5-10 minutes of this I sauntered over to introduce myself and offer her a drink. Her name was Arn (or so I registered, it was kind o loud) and she was an office girl who comes to Thermae part time to pay the bills. We got a goo rapport going and I even managed to steal a few kisses from her. She quoted me 4K LT, which seems to be the going rate in BKK nowadays.
Now I had to be careful how to play this. She definitely was a bird in the hand and I had a feeling she would be GFE form our light banter and flirting. But this was my last night in BKK and I really wanted to check out some gogos an the girls form Sir L's reports. Plus, Arns boobs were nice, but seemed suspiciously wonder braed. And I was in the mood for a nice pair. Genuine or fake. After petite Fa last night. So I resorted to some subterfuge. I told Arn that I would like to take her, but that I first needed to meet with my client. I promise I would be back in an hour. This way there could be a good chance that she would be waiting at Thermae if I struck out at Nana.
I made my way to Nana and the Rainbow bars. I had a list of Sir L's girls on my phone an I would be on the lookout for them. First stop Rainbow 2. Full to the rafters with Japanese. Of Sir L's girls I only saw #91. While cute I did not find her extraordinarily beautiful (sorry Sir L. Different strokes for different folks, at least if we meet up one day we will nto compete over girls LOL). IMHO, there was one standout there, #4. Stunning! Perfect figure with Japanese doll facial features. But sadly she was occupied by a group of Japanese guys. Plus, form her dance shift where did nto seem all that friendly or responsive to my smiles. As I was confident that I had an ace in the hole at Thermae, I decided to move on to Rainbow 4.
Rainbow 4 was going off when I walked in. Dozens of cue girls on both stages. THE topless stage on the right was particularly intoxicating. So many nicely formed boobs. Paradise! I settled in and started looking for Sir L's numbers. But non were to be found. However there were some very nice girls there indeed. I know it would be difficult making a choice. I flirted with some of the girls on stage, acting like I was trying to get them to dance with more enthusiasm. This solicited some smiles and two girls even came to sit next to me, perhaps hoping that I would buy them drinks. But I wasn't really interested, as I was already hooked by #14. She was a real looker. Absolutely perfect body with nice silicone tits. Just a tad older than the other girls. I called he over and she introduced herself at Nit. We clicked straight off and I accepted he steep price of 4500 LT plus bar fine of 600 and away we went.
We grabbed a cab right outside the plaza. My plan was to take her to one of the places by my Soi for a quick dinner and then off to the room for boom boom. But the dumb ass Taxi driver deposited us in the wrong Soi and we spent about half an hour trying to find our way to my Soi. What a ****. Why do Taxi drivers the world over have to be such assholes! In any case by the time we got back to my Soi it was after midnight and only the Japanese place across form my hotel was open. Still I wanted to sit down with her and do a date like activity before going to the room. I find this helps loosen the girls up and I try to put and the charm. Just like on a real date. This usually works pretty well and you get much better GFE type service.
The place was one of those Japanese type clip joints with lady boy hostesses, a lot of loud toasts, and incomprehensible drinking games. But she seemed to really liked it and showed me pics of her trip to Japan. She also told me she worked for a while in Singapore. She said she owned her own business, a food supply company (or something to that effect) and we had fun talking about different cuisines. We started drinking sake and one of the lady boys came over to entertain us. I found him / her to be kind of annoying, but Nit was having a blast and was very appreciative that I had ordered the good sake for us. Which admittedly was pretty damned tasty. After finishing the bottle and much forced laughter we said our goodbyes and waked across the street to the room.
I don't know if it was the Sake or her beautifully sculpted body, but I was absolutely entranced. We had an amazing session, of (at the risk of sounding cheesy) was real lovemaking, as we lost ourselves in each others bodies. After we both came we cuddled and talked, and she soon demanded I put on a condom and get inside her again form behind. Hot stuff!
After we both came one more time 2 we fell asleep in each others arms. Perfect end to a beautiful evening!
I woke up with Nit clinging to me. Which is usually a good sign meaning that sex will soon follow. But the poor little thing was having a bad time of it from the alcohol from the night before. She admitted that she had been drinking quite a bit at Rainbow 4. I could taste what I thought was gin when I kissed her at the Japanese place. She rushed off to the bathroom to throw up and complained of her head hurting etc. Taking pity on her I did not force the issue about morning sex. I was pretty satisfied from the night before and did not want to ruin the experience by causing drama. I cuddled with her and gave her some Ibuprofen to make her feel better. I ended up paying her only 4k, as I did not have change to give her 4. 5 and she sad it was OK (most likely because of her hangover, for which she apologized profusely. After she got her bearings a little bit she was off to get a taxi, not before giving me her number and kissing me, saying what a nice and kind man I was. Maybe she will reciprocate the next time I am in BKK.
One thing about her, though, that was a little disconcerting: she looked completely in the morning without the makeup and fake eyelashes. Also she was much darker in the daylight (not that I mind all that much). Make no mistake about it. She was still very pretty. But she was not the Japanese manga style sexpot form the night before. I think that they do something with the lights at Rainbow to make the girls look lighter and more "Japanese looking". If you don't want your illusions that you are with a Japanese porn goddess broken, it may be a good idea to stick with ST.
I had a few hrs to kill before my car to Pattay and considered a trip to Angels or Nataree. But I was also pretty damned hung over and invested the funds in a nice steak to soak up al the nasty alcohol still stuck in my body form the night before.
All in all it was a great trip to BKK and the mongering options are still great in this city. Because of time restrictions and fatigue I did not do a rampage through the city like Sir L (also I was doing LT with the girls). I wish I had time to squeeze in a tri to Angels or Nataree. But I will do my best to make it up in Pattaya. But still I am pretty darn happy with how the trip has begun!
Next up: Report form my first day in Pattaya, where I "interview" a gem at airport and get involved with a good girl that may turn out to be a stage 5 clinger (she's been PMing me on LINE all afternoon!).
Stay horny my friends.
Uncle-V
This is a major advantage MNL, AC, and Subic Bars have over Cowboy and Nana Go Go's. (Better music is another advantage.) You can still do amazing things with a girl inside the bar before you decide to barfine her in the PI. Try Bottoms and Rogues in Makati for example. You will not be "bored". I guarantee it. LOL. The Malioboro Hotel lounge in Jakarta is another place where getting to know your girl intimately before taking her upstairs is the way. Lastly, I have found that a number of Go Go's in Pataya seem to have looser attitudes about in-bar fooling around. It's too bad about BKK Go Go's, but I am still a loyal customer. I like some of the girls despite the restrictions.Jakarta is Asia's best kept secret. Have not been to the PI since 01. Need to revisit I guess.
What was once quite a free for all is now far more subdued. It did a lot to kill the free spirited fun that was had. Took a few years to really take effect, but was a major contributor to the kind of boring scene we see now.I guess that's the thing I've been trying to put my finger on. The missing "sanuk."
Speaking of dancing, I will never forget the first choreographed dance I saw in Pattaya, late '90s. Can't remember the name of the bar. The stage was illuminated with black light. Several, maybe 10 or 15, girls came onto the stage, fully nude, and did a rather nice dance number to Sailor's "Teddy Bear." (Kiss me here and touch me there / I want to be your Teddy Bear). Anyway, about 3/4 of the way through the number they all reached inside their pussies and pulled out long strings of razor blades (probably bits of paper resembling razor blades) , or something, that were illuminated by the black light. They finished the number dancing and holding onto the strings of blades. Strangest thing I think I've ever seen.
Western787
05-03-14, 20:56
And dead wrong. Most Soapies are designed to sit and hang out and eventually decide if you want to take a girl or not. You would be weird if you did it daily. Annies is an exception. That is why its only a half-soapy in style of operation. No (other)"Soapy" has a ring the bell type of operation.
I don't call it watching "eye-candy", its more like window shopping, with a view to buy when something really interesting shows up.
Annies is not a large Soapy. Try Amsterdam, La Defense, La Belle, Utopia, and sit in the lounge as long as you like. Chao Praya II has a large fishbowl, and they also have an entertainment club with singers on stage. You can sit and eat in either part. Tarawadee has a big area to eat and drink and soapy girl seating areas are on several sides.That's right, hang out and EVENTUALLY DECIDE or NOT. Once again, in contrast Go Go's you can JUST hang out over and over and over again and NEVER do ANY DECIDING.
The point is that is a fundamental difference between these two different venues.
That's right, hang out and EVENTUALLY DECIDE or NOT. Once again, in contrast Go Go's you can JUST hang out over and over and over again and NEVER do ANY DECIDING.
The point is that is a fundamental difference between these two different venues.You can go to the restaurant at a soapy every day for dinner, and just look, eat, and hang out. You have no need to decide anything. In both venues girls are on display, just in different ways. In soapies they are clothed, there is no loud music, and pretty good food. It is quite an open and welcoming environment. Papasans will not push you to choose in most of them. In Go Go's you see girls in various forms of undress, but in order to "hang out" you must buy a drink and in most are hounded to buy another before the first one is finished.
I guess that's the thing I've been trying to put my finger on. The missing "sanuk."Yep, it is just not that "sanuk" anymore. I think that goes for the gals and the guys. It is more like a meat grinder.
Think I have stated before, about two years ago we sat at the little rail bar outside the ST hotel on the second floor of NEP. Started watching the gals head in with their dudes and decide to time the happy "couples." Over the two hours we were there there were lots of customers. In fact, after about 15 min, there was a line.
The average ST sesh lasted 25 min. Only one pair were in there longer than 30 min. So if you budget for two people each taking two showers, dressing and undressing, that leaves a pretty small amount of time for "the act." One gal had two BFs in the 90 min we were there. She was a looker, but was faster in the room than the average. Each of her seshes was about 20 min. Many think of ST as a wham bam experience.
Western787
05-04-14, 07:18
You can go to the restaurant at a soapy every day for dinner, and just look, eat, and hang out. You have no need to decide anything. In both venues girls are on display, just in different ways. In soapies they are clothed, there is no loud music, and pretty good food. It is quite an open and welcoming environment. Papasans will not push you to choose in most of them. In Go Go's you see girls in various forms of undress, but in order to "hang out" you must buy a drink and in most are hounded to buy another before the first one is finished.
Now you're talking about having dinners and spending a lot of bahts, or perhaps prices are like Took Lae Dee at Foodland? LOL.
The bottom line is there is far more pressure to spend large dollars in one of the luxury Soapies than there is in comparable terms in a typical Go Go, thus Go Go's in terms of ENTERTAINMENT VALUE (my original point a week back) are a far better deal in that context.
The Soapy palaces in fact can be close to ghost town level in regard to amount of customers, and this sometimes includes periods of time that should be busy lets say certain times on a Friday night, so someone attempting to use it as a low cost entertainment venue would standout like a cueball. Add to this 30 plus sets of eyeballs sitting idle and making no money at all (unlike a Go Go girl at least making base pay) staring at you from the fishbowls (some in fact are not one way glass) while you have a drink, and its very high pressure.
In practical terms one could not drop by for example Poseidon (just to hang) lets say 12 nights in a row, yet its completely doable at Rainbow 4. Tip mamasans 20 bahts now and then and they will get off your back, tip them a 100 baht and some will do a (Michael Jackson style) moonwalk.
Soapie pimps don't do moonwalks as far as I can tell.
Go Go's in fact are very good low cost entertainment venues
Western787
05-04-14, 07:55
Yep, it is just not that "sanuk" anymore. I think that goes for the gals and the guys. It is more like a meat grinder.
Think I have stated before, about two years ago we sat at the little rail bar outside the ST hotel on the second floor of NEP. Started watching the gals head in with their dudes and decide to time the happy "couples." Over the two hours we were there there were lots of customers. In fact, after about 15 min, there was a line.
The average ST sesh lasted 25 min. Only one pair were in there longer than 30 min. So if you budget for two people each taking two showers, dressing and undressing, that leaves a pretty small amount of time for "the act." One gal had two BFs in the 90 min we were there. She was a looker, but was faster in the room than the average. Each of her seshes was about 20 min. Many think of ST as a wham bam experience.Your choice of venues to survey, in this case short term rooms, has a bit of self selection bias. Go Go girls can and do discriminate as to which customers get to do ST at customer hotels vs those that must go to the ST room.
Ok sanuk is less today, but not sure if your survey proves it.
Add to this 30 plus sets of eyeballs sitting idle and making no money at all (unlike a Go Go girl at least making base pay) staring at you from the fishbowls (some in fact are not one way glass) while you have a drink, and its very high pressure.Most experienced Soapy goers are not feeling "very high pressure". Maybe its so, at rip off type of Soapies like J One, Cupidy, etc. I have sat for hours at Soapies in years gone by, particularly Chao Praya 2 where I used to hang for long periods, eating, drinking, waiting for some eventual knockout girl to show up, and resting between sessions sometimes. Sometimes my favourite mamasan Anne would sit with me for a while and just chat, when she wasn't busy, bringing me up to date on latest gossip and general Soapy happenings. Obviously I might buy her a drink or give a good tip. I always develop a relationship with certain staff at Soapies that I attend at all regularly in order to get better service and information.
BTW. 100 Baht tip to cheer-person, in La Belle, Utopia, Amsterdam, etc. For being helpful is not "Moon-walk" stuff. Its very normal. 20 Baht tips is more for the drink waitresses who make incredibly low money without a big top-up from tips. I always tip them well as I feel sorry for how little they get paid.
Western787
05-04-14, 08:20
Most experienced Soapy goers are not feeling "very high pressure". Maybe its so, at rip off type of Soapies like J One, Cupidy, etc. I have sat for hours at Soapies in years gone by, particularly Chao Praya 2 where I used to hang for long periods, eating, drinking, waiting for some eventual knockout girl to show up, and resting between sessions sometimes. Sometimes my favourite mamasan Anne would sit with me for a while and just chat, when she wasn't busy, bringing me up to date on latest gossip and general Soapy happenings. Obviously I might buy her a drink or give a good tip. I always develop a relationship with certain staff at Soapies that I attend at all regularly in order to get better service and information.
BTW. 100 Baht tip to cheer-person, in La Belle, Utopia, Amsterdam, etc. For being helpful is not "Moon-walk" stuff. Its very normal. 20 Baht tips is more for the drink waitresses who make incredibly low money without a big top-up from tips. I always tip them well as I feel sorry for how little they get paid.Those with established track records in specific P4P venues worldwide can and often do get special perks and privileges and even information others don't necessarily get. For example in AMPs in the west with continual provider rotations, established and large spending customers are often informed ahead of time exactly when new arrivals will show up in the city, where they are coming from and detailed descriptions of their appearance and so forth.
So modifying what I previously stated: "excepting patrons with a long established track record of spending in some context in a specific Soapy, for the ordinary random visiting monger to Bangkok, the bottom line is there is far more pressure to spend large dollars in one of the luxury Soapies than there is in comparable terms in a typical Go Go, thus Go Go's in terms of pure entertainment value per baht are usually a far better deal in that context.
Does anyone know if Baccara has reopened after the fire? Are the hotties still there?
Now you're talking about having dinners and spending a lot of bahts, or perhaps prices are like Took Lae Dee at Foodland? LOL.
The bottom line is there is far more pressure to spend large dollars in one of the luxury Soapies than there is in comparable terms in a typical Go Go, thus Go Go's in terms of ENTERTAINMENT VALUE (my original point a week back) are a far better deal in that context.
The Soapy palaces in fact can be close to ghost town level in regard to amount of customers, and this sometimes includes periods of time that should be busy lets say certain times on a Friday night, so someone attempting to use it as a low cost entertainment venue would standout like a cueball. Add to this 30 plus sets of eyeballs sitting idle and making no money at all (unlike a Go Go girl at least making base pay) staring at you from the fishbowls (some in fact are not one way glass) while you have a drink, and its very high pressure.
In practical terms one could not drop by for example Poseidon (just to hang) lets say 12 nights in a row, yet its completely doable at Rainbow 4. Tip mamasans 20 bahts now and then and they will get off your back, tip them a 100 baht and some will do a (Michael Jackson style) moonwalk.
Soapie pimps don't do moonwalks as far as I can tell.
Go Go's in fact are very good low cost entertainment venuesSure you could drop by there to eat and hang out multiple nights and I am sure many do. We used to go to Emanu just to eat and gawk at least once a week. Often we would see the same Thai dudes doing the same thing. You can go into the restaurant and be a little out of eyesight of the gals. Any who cares if there are eyes on you? They are used to it. There is no pressure at all. The employees are very professional and the food is not expensive. If you were talking about an oily, you would be correct.
Your choice of venues to survey, in this case short term rooms, has a bit of self selection bias. Go Go girls can and do discriminate as to which customers get to do ST at customer hotels vs those that must go to the ST room.
Ok sanuk is less today, but not sure if your survey proves it.The point is that not too long ago the majority of customers were not hurried like this. In fact it was the customer not the gal that made the call, quite the opposite of what you state above. Up to you, meant up to you. ST LT whatever. You would not have seen this meat grinder ST machine at work like you do now. Customers were just treated better. I am sure in the 80s it was better still. Barring a complete economic collapse, which I don't think will ever happen, the industry will continue in this direction. The girls are different, but more importantly the customers are different. Expectations are not what they were. There are more and more non-Western customers and they expect different things from P4P girls. 10 years ago there were a few bars where you saw non-Western guys, but a very few, barring the Japanese only clubs on Soi Thaniya. Now walk into a Go Go and it is a very multi-cultural scene. I believe that most non-Western dudes are not looking for GFE or PSE. They are simple looking for good "service," which is a far more detached and less intimate experience for the customer and provider. It is easier for the gals as well. Who can blame them?
Does anyone know if Baccara has reopened after the fire? Are the hotties still there?I believe I heard the ground floor was back in business, but I did not enter to check. I mean don't really like this bar and most its girls much. The girls look like too bored out of their brains and too fake.
Western787
05-04-14, 13:39
The point is that not too long ago the majority of customers were not hurried like this. In fact it was the customer not the gal that made the call, quite the opposite of what you state above. Up to you, meant up to you. ST LT whatever. You would not have seen this meat grinder ST machine at work like you do now. Customers were just treated better. I am sure in the 80s it was better still. Barring a complete economic collapse, which I don't think will ever happen, the industry will continue in this direction. The girls are different, but more importantly the customers are different. Expectations are not what they were. There are more and more non-Western customers and they expect different things from P4P girls. 10 years ago there were a few bars where you saw non-Western guys, but a very few, barring the Japanese only clubs on Soi Thaniya. Now walk into a Go Go and it is a very multi-cultural scene. I believe that most non-Western dudes are not looking for GFE or PSE. They are simple looking for good "service," which is a far more detached and less intimate experience for the customer and provider. It is easier for the gals as well. Who can blame them?I concede the (downhill) trend, and worse the news on China 1. It will soon surpass the USA as the world's #1 economy 2. China will soon have 25 to 30 million males with no corresponding female partners. The first wave is now in process where males will find it difficult to meet same age or younger corresponding females.
It could be a ballbusters from hell situation in the making, the likes of which the world has never known.
Add to this leveling off of Thai birthrates (both genders) the last 15 to 20 years, and could mean a much steeper downward slope.
The final straw could be when the Chinese invasion starts in earnest, it could bid up not just P4P prices directly but housing and everything in between, itself pushing up P4P even further. Now Burma could change the equation, but its hard to conceive of things getting cheaper in Bangkok. All things equal, imagine what Go Go's would have to charge JUST if apartment and hotel prices alone in Bangkok were approx 5 times higher than they now are, basically New York City housing cost level
So one needs to enjoy what is available here and now at current prices.
So one needs to enjoy what is available here and now at current prices.Yes Yes. Forget all the Nostradamus stuff and the idle speculation to explain reason for changes and psychology of the masses (like in Asimovs Psycho-history fictions). Just accept how things are and get on with it.
The point is that not too long ago the majority of customers were not hurried like this. In fact it was the customer not the gal that made the call, quite the opposite of what you state above. Up to you, meant up to you. ST LT whatever. You would not have seen this meat grinder ST machine at work like you do now. Customers were just treated better. I am sure in the 80s it was better still. Barring a complete economic collapse, which I don't think will ever happen, the industry will continue in this direction. The girls are different, but more importantly the customers are different. Expectations are not what they were. There are more and more non-Western customers and they expect different things from P4P girls. 10 years ago there were a few bars where you saw non-Western guys, but a very few, barring the Japanese only clubs on Soi Thaniya. Now walk into a Go Go and it is a very multi-cultural scene. I believe that most non-Western dudes are not looking for GFE or PSE. They are simple looking for good "service," which is a far more detached and less intimate experience for the customer and provider. It is easier for the gals as well. Who can blame them?Yes I agree. Japanese presence is a much bigger percentage of customers. Girls don't have to put up with Farangs as much and take whatever they could get.
The number of superstar girls per bar has declined on average meaning they have less competition. They have the upper hand as many customers are trying to get to them. In mot bars I go I have only one girl I like a lot and in some bars she is the most popular booked out girl. These girls know they can get 3 STs minimum per night, and only take long time when everything is favourable to them. The top girls don't have to take a lot of crap from bad customers. They don't have to just take 3 or 4K long times. The top Suzie Wong was willing to give me LT and did not negotiate the price (in fact never quoted me a price I can remember). She knows I am not the stingy type. She was prepared to come to my Hotel for a swim for no charge too in her own time. Smart girl with business sense. However she never gave me good service until chemistry developed. So first time she wasn't great. I did not BF her for long time, then gave her another shot when chemistry had improved greatly. Chemistry matters a lot with some girls. I am a guy who does not burn my bridges even when I get a mediocre experience. The reward is girls change their attitude to me to the better sometimes, and suddenly improve out of sight. Newbie girls can improve rapidly too when they have been lacking in skills and need training.
There is still plenty of "its up to you" but not over choosing ST or LT. LT is far less available unless the girl feels totally right about it. Girls know that with some customers they will not get a reasonable sleep for one reason or another.
Guess I should explain what I mean by "boring." When I first arrived and would be out in Cowboy or Nana, after purchasing a gal a drink, it was no issue to kiss, fondle, etc. And I am not talking about places like After School. I am talking Long Gun, Rainbow, etc. Nowadays that seems like a rarity. Last time I had diddlin' like that in a major bar was Shark about 5 year ago when a gal took my finger and shoved it up her ass.I am not really a major groper except in BJ bars like SOL, Kangaroo. Etc.
However if you are one, I don't think this is a problem in Crazy House. Girls have sat on me using non covered crotch to make the main contact. Other guys report girls sitting right on the finger and I see guys groping the pussy. I don't do it without a direct invitation but it goes on.
FruitNinja
05-04-14, 15:53
Yes Yes. Forget all the Nostradamus stuff and the idle speculation to explain reason for changes and psychology of the masses (like in Asimovs Psycho-history fictions). Just accept how things are and get on with it."Adapt or perish, now as ever, is nature's inexorable imperative." H. G. Wells.
I'll adapt and enjoy.
Asian take out at home. You have to use the tools at your disposal. Think outside the box. Like you Syz, I try to be fair with the young ladies who are willing to share their beauty with me. You're spot on about chemistry. Even though the girls are working a connection will make the difference between eh and spectacular.
20 Baht tips is more for the drink waitresses who make incredibly low money without a big top-up from tips. I always tip them well as I feel sorry for how little they get paid.I know this has been discussed before but I get confused with my advancing age. Do give 20 baht to the drink waitress directly for her to keep the money herself? If yes do you also leave money on the change tray?
I have a friend who leaves money on the change tray and gives 20 baht directly to the drink waitress. He is afraid if the waitress do not have money on the tray when she returns to the bar, she may be accused of stealing money from the change tray.
Sir Lancelot
05-04-14, 16:36
I am on day 4 of my trip to Thailand. As I beging writing this I am in Pattaya with a sweet young thing in my bed. Sorry I haven't posted earlier. Just been having too much fun and too lazy to do so. But I am inspired by Sir Lancelot and other fellow mongers to make my contribution. Here are days one and two in Bangkok to get you up to date.Firstly great report, I really enjoyed reading it and you should definitely continue to write up your trips.
You have inspired me to try Thermae. The place has legendary status but I've never visited because of the reputation the girls have for only fawning over Japs. I will go on my next trip, even if it's just for a few drinks. Sounds like you had a good time at the Rainbow's. I suppose the fact that you saw so few of the girls I alluded to is indication of how quickly things change in gogo bars and how busy these girls are. No probs about not finding 91 your type of girl! I look forward to read your next reports.
I concede the (downhill) trend, and worse the news on China 1. It will soon surpass the USA as the world's #1 economy 2. China will soon have 25 to 30 million males with no corresponding female partners. The first wave is now in process where males will find it difficult to meet same age or younger corresponding females.
It could be a ballbusters from hell situation in the making, the likes of which the world has never known.
Add to this leveling off of Thai birthrates (both genders) the last 15 to 20 years, and could mean a much steeper downward slope.
The final straw could be when the Chinese invasion starts in earnest, it could bid up not just P4P prices directly but housing and everything in between, itself pushing up P4P even further. Now Burma could change the equation, but its hard to conceive of things getting cheaper in Bangkok. All things equal, imagine what Go Go's would have to charge JUST if apartment and hotel prices alone in Bangkok were approx 5 times higher than they now are, basically New York City housing cost level
So one needs to enjoy what is available here and now at current prices.Sadly what you say could be true. China has some bumps along the road, but are formidable. Of course it will just be BKK and the beach areas that explode in price. Chiang Mai and other ports north will probably be ok. I do think Burma will have an effect. Also Vietnam. If Thailand does not get its shit together soon, it might just lose out.
I am not really a major groper except in BJ bars like SOL, Kangaroo. Etc.
However if you are one, I don't think this is a problem in Crazy House. Girls have sat on me using non covered crotch to make the main contact. Other guys report girls sitting right on the finger and I see guys groping the pussy. I don't do it without a direct invitation but it goes on.Went to Crazy House once and was a bit freaked about the very young looking gals. A dude I know has a good relationship with the mamasan and she sends gals that she believes are his spec over to his place. He has had to send more than one back after having a look at their IDs.
Yes I agree. Japanese presence is a much bigger percentage of customers. Girls don't have to put up with Farangs as much and take whatever they could get.
The number of superstar girls per bar has declined on average meaning they have less competition. They have the upper hand as many customers are trying to get to them. In mot bars I go I have only one girl I like a lot and in some bars she is the most popular booked out girl. These girls know they can get 3 STs minimum per night, and only take long time when everything is favourable to them. The top girls don't have to take a lot of crap from bad customers. They don't have to just take 3 or 4K long times. The top Suzie Wong was willing to give me LT and did not negotiate the price (in fact never quoted me a price I can remember). She knows I am not the stingy type. She was prepared to come to my Hotel for a swim for no charge too in her own time. Smart girl with business sense. However she never gave me good service until chemistry developed. So first time she wasn't great. I did not BF her for long time, then gave her another shot when chemistry had improved greatly. Chemistry matters a lot with some girls. I am a guy who does not burn my bridges even when I get a mediocre experience. The reward is girls change their attitude to me to the better sometimes, and suddenly improve out of sight. Newbie girls can improve rapidly too when they have been lacking in skills and need training.
There is still plenty of "its up to you" but not over choosing ST or LT. LT is far less available unless the girl feels totally right about it. Girls know that with some customers they will not get a reasonable sleep for one reason or another.My modus operandi has always been a bit different. Having a GF, I really don't want to devote tome to developing chemistry with a gal. Even when I was a big Go Go and FL dude back when, I rarely took a gal more than once and if there was a repeat it was a few months down the road. There were so many great gals I just could not see getting the white out with the same one over and over. Always loved the newness. They are all different, eh? They smell different, move different, their anatomy is different, they make different noises, and I wanted to have as many as I could. And I would say 95% of the experiences I had were pretty damn good. Now, I am a soapy guy and I do repeat. I have a rotation of a few gals. Get around to seeing each of them about once every couple of months. Just to difficult to hunt the Go Go and FL scene for me these days.
Paul Kausch
05-04-14, 18:01
I concede the (downhill) trend, and worse the news on China 1. It will soon surpass the USA as the world's #1 economy 2. China will soon have 25 to 30 million males with no corresponding female partners. The first wave is now in process where males will find it difficult to meet same age or younger corresponding females.It is inevitable that soon China's will have the world's largest economy. It is the world's most populous nation; and China one child policy coupled with families strong desire to make sure that one child was a male has created a tremendous disparity in the numbers of men and women.
More revealing are average wages by country. The International Labour Organization (ILO) , a United Nations agency, estimates Purchasing Power Parity adjusted average monthly wages (expressed in US$) in countries around the world. Luxembourg ranks #1 at $4089; the USA is #4 at $3263; Germany is #13 at $2720; and China is #57 at $656. It will be some time, if ever, before China's wages catch up with North America and Western Europe.
There will be more Chinese tourists than tourists from any other single nation. Given it's proximity Thailand will see larger and larger numbers of Chinese tourists. The world constantly changes.
Member #4698
05-04-14, 21:41
went to crazy house once and was a bit freaked about the very young looking gals. a dude i know has a good relationship with the mamasan and she sends gals that she believes are his spec over to his place. he has had to send more than one back after having a look at their ids.this is a very serious charge that your friend is making: **** girls working the trade at crazy house. a lot of the girls look young. i barfined a 19 year old and a 20 year old there myself not too long ago and they both looked young. so what! some girls look a lot younger than their age. i think it would be insane for the owners or the mamasan to jeopardize such a a successful ongoing business plus their own freedom by having even one **** girl on the premises. i can't believe they would be so reckless and stupid. after all this is soi 23 not some back alley sleaze joint in chinatown. the whole world is watching soi 23. that is why i find this hard to believe.
this is a very serious charge that your friend is making: **** girls working the trade at crazy house. a lot of the girls look young. i barfined a 19 year old and a 20 year old there myself not too long ago and they both looked young. so what! some girls look a lot younger than their age. i think it would be insane for the owners or the mamasan to jeopardize such a a successful ongoing business plus their own freedom by having even one **** girl on the premises. i can't believe they would be so reckless and stupid. after all this is soi 23 not some back alley sleaze joint in chinatown. the whole world is watching soi 23. that is why i find this hard to believe.of course this comes from a guy i know. it was not my personal experience as i have only been in the place once. my taste runs to gals who are at least mid-20s, more often late 20s early 30s, so those types of gals really don't appeal to me. sadly, it does seem that **** is still an issue in some bkk go gos.
Paul Kausch
05-05-14, 01:11
of course this comes from a guy i know. it was not my personal experience as i have only been in the place once. my taste runs to gals who are at least mid-20s, more often late 20s early 30s, so those types of gals really don't appeal to me. sadly, it does seem that **** is still an issue in some bkk go gos.there have been rumors circulating about **** girls at crazy house since it opened. how long ago was it when there as the bust at nep involving ****d girls in the nep gogos? seems it was within the last year. there are **** girls working in bangkok's p4p industry. because thai ladies can look younger than there actual age my rule of thumb is: "if in doubt, don't."
[QUOTE=Western787; 1562968]I concede the (downhill) trend, and worse the news on China 1. It will soon surpass the USA as the world's #1 economy 2. China will soon have 25 to 30 million males with no corresponding female partners. The first wave is now in process where males will find it difficult to meet same age or younger corresponding females.
No one alive today will ever see China become the world's #1 economy. They are a house of cards; they are losing farm land that can grow food that people can actually eat at an alarming rate. They look good on paper but look at what the build, one small earth quake and everything falls apart. Time is going to show what a piece of crap China is. You may be too young to remember when 'Made in Japan' was a joke, now 'Made in China 'is even worse. If The USA gets people like Obama out and moves back to rewarding business for successes and stops social engineering, watch out world.
Paul Kausch
05-05-14, 02:52
No one alive today will ever see China become the world's #1 economy.Western787 was probably in part referring to a recent economic report that projects China will have the largest domestic economy in the world much sooner than expected a few years ago. One could argue whether this will happen by 2015 or 2016; but it will happen.
China has severely degraded it's environment as it has pushed its economy to grow; but it is starting to transition to a service based economy, driven by internal consumption. One of the consequences is plants and factories that are major polluters are being shut down. The Chinese are well aware of the problems with their environment and are determined to do something about them.
The Chinese are not using the advanced construction techniques you see in Japan and earthquake prone regions in the USA; but look at what happens in Latin America when there is an earthquake. There is massive movement of people from the Chinese countryside to cities. China is evolving from a rural country into an urban country. There has been tremendous pressure on its construction industry. The work has been done shoddily and on the cheap; but as China becomes wealthier its society will demand improvements in the quality of the built environment and the quality of construction will improve.
In a few decades China has made an astonishing economic leap. Rapid growth is not without pain.
Given the size of its population, one would expect China to have the world's largest domestic economy. However, there are other ways to measure a country's economic success. One way is to measure the global economic activity of a nation. If this measure is used, China, and every other country in the world lags behind the USA. In the 21st Century this is a better measure of a countries economic prowess. It's not just how much business you do at home that is important. How much business you do globally is more important. At this time it is difficult to see when, if ever, China will pass the USA in global economic activity.
Your remark about how "Made in Japan" once stood for shoddy products is a good point; but it would seem to argue against the point you are trying to make. At the end of WWII Japan desperately turned out poorly made, inexpensive products. That was not a goal. That was a means to an end. Traditionally the Japanese take great pride in their ability to take something and make it better. Today Japan makes some of the best products in the world. Someday China may also be known for high quality manufacturing. Only the future will tell.
Western787's point was how Thailand will be overrun with Chinese tourists, which coupled with the shortage of young women in China will inflate prices in the P4P scene. That may very well happen. Also, after China develops a mature consumption driven economy, it will be a vast export market for surrounding countries, which will boast those economies. In another decade Thailand's economy could be booming, driven by exports to China. This may have an even bigger impact on Thailand's P4P industry.
FruitNinja
05-05-14, 02:55
It is inevitable that soon China's will have the world's largest economy. It is the world's most populous nation; and China one child policy coupled with families strong desire to make sure that one child was a male has created a tremendous disparity in the numbers of men and women.
There will be more Chinese tourists than tourists from any other single nation. Given it's proximity Thailand will see larger and larger numbers of Chinese tourists. The world constantly changes.Paul,
I've been traveling for a long time. 75% of it has been Europe. There's very few countries I haven't stepped foot in and many like Italy, France, and England dozens of times. Years back you would see very few Asian, and the Chinese were the minority of that few. The last time I was in Europe I spent three weeks wandering Italy. The Chinese were everywhere. Mostly in groups. Large groups. I'm not sure if this is the way they travel or a way of cutting costs. I was amazed at the number of groups that I saw. I have a 25 year old Chinese girl here that I do once a week. Spinner and a lot of fun. She's a student and making a little spending money. She also does guided tours for a local Chinese tour company. Groups of eight. They don't spend a lot on hotels as they are staying in an obscure suburb that's not really convenient to anything.
The one thing that I have seen in my travels is that for the most part they are very demanding people. My Chinese girl is very GFE with me but I met her when she was going through a rough time here and I was able to help her and be a shoulder, so she has a little bit of a aft spot for me. Other than that she's also all business and very demanding. When we go out for Chinese food she's all over the waiters. Almost embarrassing. I'm guessing the men are the same if not worst. Only male child? There's some spoiling going on there for sure. Not sure that this type of attitude will go over well with the girls in BKK. They think us faring are demanding. I think the Koreans and Japanese are much more even tempered and polite. I'm not worried about being pushed out of the game by the Chinese. And if it does happen I'll adapt.
On another note: That thing we were discussing is about 90. She dropped off her clothes today. I'm in, but can't help but question my sanity on this one. I can't help but feel like a moth when it comes to a bright light.
Paul Kausch
05-05-14, 03:10
The Chinese were everywhere.
On another note: That thing we were discussing is about 90. She dropped off her clothes today. I'm in, but can't help but question my sanity on this one. I can't help but feel like a moth when it comes to a bright light.And the Chinese are the ugly American's of the 21st Century, carrying their "unique" customs with them when they travel. Didn't I see a headline featuring a photo of a Chinese woman sightseeing in another Asian country helping her small child have a bowel movement on a busy sidewalk? The explanation is probably that the woman was from a town where this was often the only way one could relieve oneself. As the Chinese become more seasoned travelers, they will learn; hell, even the American's learned! My apologies to the Canadians who are also from America, and no one ever complains about them.
You are the one who likened yourself to the moth drawn to a flame. Sounds like she's staked out her claim. Enjoy it while it lasts. I'm not worried about you. You're smart enough to handle whatever develops.
FruitNinja
05-05-14, 03:23
Western787 was probably in part referring to a recent economic report that projects China will have the largest domestic economy in the world much sooner than expected a few years ago. One could argue whether this will happen by 2015 or 2016; but it will happen.
China has severely degraded it's environment as it has pushed its economy to grow; but it is starting to transition to a service based economy, driven by internal consumption. One of the consequences is plants and factories that are major polluters are being shut down. The Chinese are well aware of the problems with their environment and are determined to do something about them.
The Chinese are not using the advanced construction techniques you see in Japan and earthquake prone regions in the USA; but look at what happens in Latin America when there is an earthquake. There is massive movement of people from the Chinese countryside to cities. China is evolving from a rural country into an urban country. There has been tremendous pressure on its construction industry. The work has been done shoddily and on the cheap; but as China becomes wealthier its society will demand improvements in the quality of the built environment and the quality of construction will improve.
In a few decades China has made an astonishing economic leap. Rapid growth is not without pain.
Given the size of its population, one would expect China to have the world's largest domestic economy. However, there are other ways to measure a country's economic success. One way is to measure the global economic activity of a nation. If this measure is used, China, and every other country in the world lags behind the USA. In the 21st Century this is a better measure of a countries economic prowess. It's not just how much business you do at home that is important. How much business you do globally is more important. At this time it is difficult to see when, if ever, China will pass the USA in global economic activity.
Your remark about how "Made in Japan" once stood for shoddy products is a good point; but it would seem to argue against the point you are trying to make. At the end of WWII Japan desperately turned out poorly made, inexpensive products. That was not a goal. That was a means to an end. Traditionally the Japanese take great pride in their ability to take something and make it better. Today Japan makes some of the best products in the world. Someday China may also be known for high quality manufacturing. Only the future will tell.
Western787's point was how Thailand will be overrun with Chinese tourists, which coupled with the shortage of young women in China will inflate prices in the P4P scene. That may very well happen. Also, after China develops a mature consumption driven economy, it will be a vast export market for surrounding countries, which will boast those economies. In another decade Thailand's economy could be booming, driven by exports to China. This may have an even bigger impact on Thailand's P4P industry.Yes the "Made in Japan" is counter to the argument. It seems that there are two manufacturing sectors in China. There's the people that make electronics for major suppliers like Apple. And although there are problems there, they are not quality related. The problem sector is the smaller job shops. I don't know any people that has jobbed out manufacturing for smaller orders that hasn't had issues. Delivery, and QC. They will figure it out. The worlds factory.
As afra s construction, it's going to take a long time before they get to western standard. On my March trip I had a layover in Beijing. I couldn't help but notice the huge apartment blocks. And lots of them. Some looked done and abandoned. Very weird. Reminded me of the projects. The train has left the station, it's much easier to change direction in a country of 127M a whole nother story for a country of almost 1. 4B. Rebuilding and retooling will be a huge drain on the economy. I think that China is in trouble. Economic growth is at the lowest point since 1999. PMI has dropped three months in a row and is expected to continue dropping. I personally think there is a glut. As a consumer how much more shit can I buy? I don't need anything. I've got the latest greatest TV, iPhone, iPad, Macbook, and there isn't any major breakthrough in technology in the forceable future. All your eggs in one basket.
FruitNinja
05-05-14, 03:34
And the Chinese are the ugly American's of the 21st Century, carrying their "unique" customs with them when they travel. Didn't I see a headline featuring a photo of a Chinese woman sightseeing in another Asian country helping her small child have a bowel movement on a busy sidewalk? The explanation is probably that the woman was from a town where this was often the only way one could relieve oneself. As the Chinese become more seasoned travelers, they will learn; hell, even the American's learned! My apologies to the Canadians who are also from America, and no one ever complains about them.
You are the one who likened yourself to the moth drawn to a flame. Sounds like she's staked out her claim. Enjoy it while it lasts. I'm not worried about you. You're smart enough to handle whatever develops.They are at their best behavior in airports. I make an effort not to get in a line too many Chinese. It's always a problem. In HCMC two guys were escorted away by the authorities. Not sure what the deal was but it took forever to get them out of line. I think what we have at this point is a lot of peasants that have some money and very little knowledge of world standards. Let's hope they figure it out. But that's a lot of spoiled "only children" that need an attitude adjustment.
As far as the other thing. I'm either the luckiest fucker around or the dumbest. Only time will tell. But to be honest, like I said to my BKK cutie."I would be happy just looking at you in my bed, sex is winning the lotto.". Now, if this does work, I need to figure a way to get away for a month so you and I can do what we do.
Paul Kausch
05-05-14, 04:38
I think that China is in trouble.You may be right. I'm still bullish on China; though I agree they have a long row to hoe. Between foreign powers, horrible rulers and that charismatic revolutionary and economic idiot Mao, they were totally fucked for a long time. The thing is there are so many Chinese and they are so fucking industrious.
As far as the other thing. I'm either the luckiest fucker around or the dumbest. Only time will tell. But to be honest, like I said to my BKK cutie."I would be happy just looking at you in my bed, sex is winning the lotto.". Now, if this does work, I need to figure a way to get away for a month so you and I can do what we do.There is such a thing as dumb luck. My biggest worry would be a loss of freedom. If she's even hotter than the pictures she must sizzle!
Western787
05-05-14, 06:03
I know this has been discussed before but I get confused with my advancing age. Do give 20 baht to the drink waitress directly for her to keep the money herself? If yes do you also leave money on the change tray?
I have a friend who leaves money on the change tray and gives 20 baht directly to the drink waitress. He is afraid if the waitress do not have money on the tray when she returns to the bar, she may be accused of stealing money from the change tray.Always put the tip directly in the hand of the waitress, ideally pressing it into her palm to avoid any ambiguity, otherwise its just a group tip added to the total being accumulated and then gets divided up at the end of the shift. No need to put anything on the tray. When you tip them directly like this, you will notice the difference in their reaction, most in fact will smile.
Western787
05-05-14, 06:29
Think outside the box.Or as Mark Twain said "Think outside the box to get inside the box" or maybe that was Hugh Heffner, well somebody said it.
I know this has been discussed before but I get confused with my advancing age. Do give 20 baht to the drink waitress directly for her to keep the money herself? If yes do you also leave money on the change tray?
I have a friend who leaves money on the change tray and gives 20 baht directly to the drink waitress. He is afraid if the waitress do not have money on the tray when she returns to the bar, she may be accused of stealing money from the change tray.Well it's hard to be sure about local conventions. In a Soapy tips in the tray in lounge may have to be shared. Remember she will bring change back to you. So its clear whatever you leave after that is tip. Delivering to hand is clearly a directed tip. When I tip girl delivering drinks to room, I say she does not have to come back with the change. That means she will take opportunity to pocket change during the mythical return.
It is clear the waiting staff need tips to survive. The pay is unbelievably low.
Lord Necros
05-05-14, 16:11
nobody seems to care about my frs. * imagine a sad face because i cant use fucking emoticons *
but here's another one.
dr. bj.
this establishment was right next to my hotel so after my trip to eden club, i decided to pop into it for a short session.
the girls sit outside in the varandah and try to call out to the passerbis. when i walked in, a couple of girls got up to show me in but i smiled at them and shook my head.
they left me alone then.
entering the lounge, i was greeted by the host (a proper flamboyant host, instead of a mere receptionist)
he greeted me warmly and gave me a run down of the place. he then asked me if i wanted to select a "consultant" or a "nurse".
i never understood the difference between the two. i think skillwise both are similar but consultants are generally prettier and have nicer bodies. but not sure about that.
i replied in negative and told him to get me a girl who can really deepthroat.
he called out to the girls and discussed with them and soon returned with a cute one. she was a "nurse" called fon / phon.
i tried to look her up on http://bjbarbangkok.com/staff.html. all the names there are retarded made up ones.
i think the one i had was "2: nurse: mat urebu talen ted"
as the name suggests, she was indeed mature and talented. really nice deepthroating. no teeth scraping.
nothing to complain about. but also not exceptional.
she spoke good english and was chirpy and talkative. overall, had a good experience.
once i returned to the lounge, the host inquired about my experience. happy with my answer, he handed me a candy and a visiting card.
to summarize, i really enjoyed my session there.
if you are a newbie, this is a must visit place. the people are extremely friendly and helpful. it is run professionally and there is a huge set of staff to choose from.
if you are experienced monger, well, i don't need to suggest you anything, do i?
ps. if you are a pervert, wait for my fr on "star of light".
looks: 6/10
service:7/10
cost:700
wir: not likely. not because the service here was bad, because it wasn't. it was rather nice, in fact.
but because there is a little place which i am in love with (fr to come in later)
Nobody seems to care about my FRs. * imagine a sad face because I can't use fucking emoticons *
But here's another one.We read them, but it is also no point in filling the screen with appreciation messages (unless someone has a real and useful comment or question) giving then the opportunity to lazy people (not RTFF) to say "I have scrolled 10 pages and could not find useful information" as indeed the usuful information get diluted.
Unfortuately this forum does not have "I like" option (as other forums do) giving thet opportunity to send appreciations without polluting the thread. A function much needed in the photo gallery, for instance.
Lord Necros
05-05-14, 17:36
We read them, but it is also no point in filling the screen with appreciation messages (unless someone has a real and useful comment or question) giving then the opportunity to lazy people (not RTFF) to say "I have scrolled 10 pages and could not find useful information" as indeed the usuful information get diluted.
Unfortuately this forum does not have "I like" option (as other forums do) giving thet opportunity to send appreciations without polluting the thread. A function much needed in the photo gallery, for instance.I fully understand.
I guess I was just being silly.
Thing is, as a newb outsider, its somewhat hard to break into the discussions here. The veterans here can talk about stuff like politics, meaning of names, safe sex etc which don't really mean much to someone like me who has been to TH only once. So I am limited to mostly asking questions which have certainly been answered before in these 100 pages. After asking a ton of these questions, I finally get a chance to appear knowledgeable about the place. But my exploits, as fantastic as they are to me, are just the average garden variety stories to most people here. So, expecting gushes of praise and applause, I instead get *crickets*
But anyway, I don't mean to whine. Just want to sound wise and experienced at times. :D
I will still be putting up all my FRs. I have asked my questions and therefore, must contribute, in turn, to the community.
Nobody seems to care about my FRs. :( imagine a sad face because I can't use fucking emoticons *
http://bjbarbangkok.com/staff.htmlNice Report.
Your url link had a slight error (extra stop) but I fixed it. By editing your post, after adding the report, you can insert emoticons. :)
Any report that contains useful information re mongering is always appreciated, don't worry. Any post lacking anything useful, can be viewed as a waste of space, unless its really funny/amusing (in somebody's mind). Overly negative reports are often in the non-useful category, unless it's warning people to avoid some scam type place/girl, and we have a special thread for places to be avoided.
Lord Necros
05-05-14, 17:39
By editing you can insert emoticons.Whoa! I never knew that. Thanks! :D
Lord Necros
05-05-14, 17:51
OK, now being suitably encouraged, its time for the FR on Star of Light.
A lot of places I went to in Bangkok had that curated professional look. But I wanted something seedy / perverted. So I ended up at SoL.
SoL is a BJ bar. its an old establishment, from a time when men were men and women sucked the men off out in the open bar. Its somewhat hard to find these places in TH nowadays. Most BJ bars generally have proper rooms where the action happens.
This one can be a bit difficult to find.
If you use the BTS Sala Daeng station, then use the exit towards Thaniya.
Skip the first soi / alley to the right which will be Soi Thaniya.
Skip the next soi. It is one catering mainly to gay customers. No ladyboys here but it is chock full of pretty males offering massages.
The next soi to the right is the one. Walk 200m into it and to the right, you may spy the board of the bar. It is very unassuming and its quite easy to skip it.
When I reached the place, I saw only 1 girl sitting outside it. Thinking that maybe other girls will soon come out, I decided to wait. I got a beer in the open bar right next door and nursed it a while.
After 20 mins of waiting I could still see only that girl, so I decided to go in.
I walked to her and indicated to her that I needed to go into the bar. She didn't seem much communicative, so I tried to open the door myself.
Inside were a couple of old white men and 3-4 girls. The girls here are not great lookers.
I can tell you more about the girls, but thats not what you are here for, are you?
Of course not! You want to know about the floorplan of the place. The sweet sweet architecture of the suckshop, the seating arrangement where your genitals are milked and the strategic placement of tiny foot wide curtains which are there just as a gesture.
Behold! The majestic floor plan for your naughty enjoyment! (that would be the attachment BTW)
Back to the boring bits again.
The one at the reception pointed to wards the sofa and so I sat waiting for someone to speak to me. After 5 mintues of the girls talking to each others and to their white customers, I got impatient and called out to one of the girls.
She tersely replied, that she's got a customer.
So far, the service level was utter shit. Nobody seemed to care that a potentially paying customer was in there.
So I got up and walked over to the bar table (literally two steps) and asked the lady there for a beer. She handed me a Singha. I then asked her that I want a blowjob.
'from me? ', she sounded surprised. She was a bit big and mature but I wasn't there for the looks. I told her that she will be great.
She then told me that I can get a BJ in the bathroom, or on the sofa.
I shrugged and told her to do the deed on the sofa, out in the open.
She laughed and asked 'you not shy? '
No lady. If I were shy, I woulnt be here.
So I sat down, and pulled down my pants.
One of the customers had moved into the bathroom with a girl. The other one, seeing me batoning my penis left the place in a bit of a huff (most likely deciding to wait outside for his buddy than be the spectator to my beautiful O-face. :D )
Well, overall the BJ was darned nice. She may have been old and less of a looker than others, but she sure could suck.
I got one of the better BJs of my life. When I shot my load in her mouth for 30 seconds straight. She started saying 'too much. Came too much'
Dayum right *****. I am a virile pretty man who can feed a villageful of Amazons.
So to sum up;
Shitty service, but I suppose I can chalk it up to me being brown. There is a bit of racism that I did face in Bangkok.
Tiny number of girls. Average or below, looks wise.
Really good BJ. Got what I really came there for.
Place was tiny. It really can fit in a trailer park.
WIR: yeah, likely. I just loved the seedy atmosphere. I loved the idea that I can get a blowjob while people can go in or out of the place. It scratches a different kind of itch.
Landed after a short engine delay in Frankfurt, had the entire front row to myself. Loved those girls on thai airways, so cute. Made it right thru customs, was in the taxi with thailands version of mario andredi. 15 minutes later I was at my hotel, the mac boutique. A great find at $28 total per night (found a last minute discount). Decent room, just what a 28 buck room should be. Cheap without the frills. But breakfast is included, so might not make it the entire trip, food poisoning and all.
Hit nana after annies and stumbled into stumble inn. Few beers. 200 baht less in my wallet and then onto nana. Hit spankies first by pure accident, had some great talent but the one I pulled out was a fizzle. Mostly my problem, too much beer drinking but you live and learn. Hit several other gogo's, some had 'as good' of talent but they girls took forever to undress. I will interview the girls better, confirm they don't expect a short time hotel visit.
Almost 1am now, heading over to climax to see what I see.
but that's a lot of spoiled "only children" that need an attitude adjustment.unfortunately, certain "privileged" and / or clueless people give their fellow countrymen a bad reputation whenever they travel. with the chinese, it's their coddled sons (who is probably their only child in a state mandated one-child per family country). in seattle, a chinese exchange student (who wasn't attending school) purchased a brand new car and went racing down a neighborhood street at high speed; crashed into another car killing one person and injuring others. the chinese kid had a "whatever" attitude and wanted to return to china. the police arrested him and the prosecutor thinking that he would flee back to china asked for a $2 million cash bail thinking no one could ever raise that much money. to the surprise of the prosecutor and everyone else, the kid's parents flew in from china and gave the court a $2 million cashiers check.
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020474352_chinesebailxml.html
Tons of people crowding into a noisy, dimly lit bar with way too much noise. Pick up joint? You'd have better luck getting quality looks on the street. Way too dark and noisy to get a feel for the girl for my taste.
Hit spankies first by pure accident, had some great talent but the one I pulled out was a fizzle. Mostly my problem, too much beer drinking but you live and learn. Hit several other gogo's, some had 'as good' of talent but they girls took forever to undress. I will interview the girls better, confirm they don't expect a short time hotel visit.Spankies I have had one good girl (skinny) and one crap one. If you want to look at more properly naked girls, you should check out Crazy House on Soi 23 near to Cowboy. I don't how many of these girls are good on the bed though. That is a different story where I would prefer another bar.
Many girls are indeed looking for a ST booking, in some cases very short indeed. You had better tell them what you want.
Spankies I have had one good girl (skinny) and one crap one. If you want to look at more properly naked girls, you should check out Crazy House on Soi 23 near to Cowboy. I don't how many of these girls are good on the bed though. That is a different story where I would prefer another bar.
Many girls are indeed looking for a ST booking, in some cases very short indeed. You had better tell them what you want.Making my way down that way today, not sure how people can come here and see everything on a 3 day visit. There were guys coming and going in all the clubs but I saw very few girls getting lady drinks or takeout. Went into angelswitch and two of the coyote girls from outside sat on either side and tried to get me to buy them both drinks, also the place was dead.
Eric Swiss
05-06-14, 04:04
Hello all,
After posting a dozen reports in 5 different threads on this forum, here is my turn to ask a question. I've got a friend who will be in Bangkok on Saturday, May the 24th. He wants to watch the UEFA Champions League final that night from 1:45am to roughly 3:45am BKK time. I am going to advise him to watch it in a bar on the ground floor of Nana Plaza. Is that good advice or should I tell him to go somewhere else instead? My friend is no stranger to P4P.
Eric
Member #4387
05-06-14, 05:15
Tons of people crowding into a noisy, dimly lit bar with way too much noise. Pick up joint? You'd have better luck getting quality looks on the street. Way too dark and noisy to get a feel for the girl for my taste.I guess the "tons of people" must have all been wrong then, hehe. You certainly are entitled to have your opinion Sir but I disagree greatly. Climax pick up joint, yes. To dark and noisy, I don't think so. I must have picked atleast something what feels like hundreds or so ladies from there and came out good. It is not that dark if you have uncorrected eyevision. My hearing may be a tad disabled though after sleeping (drunk as a sailor) in what my friends described as, inside a soundblaster at a Greenday consert some years back. Only my opinion. It is also great we all don't like the same places.
Paul Kausch
05-06-14, 06:09
To dark and noisy, I don't think so.This will vary from person to person. For example, I have tinnitus. I spent too much time around loud industrial equipment without ear protection in my late teens and early twenties. In those days employers didn't give a shit and the USA government wasn't "interfering" with businesses. Even in a quiet room I hear a constant faint ring. In a loud room this quickly escalates into an fairly loud and annoying buzz; and it becomes impossible for me to distinguish particular sounds, especially those in the frequency range of a typical young female voice. This is a problem in gogo bars, but I'll put up with it for awhile as I enjoy the eye candy. It makes interaction difficult in clubs and gogo bars. I no longer go to clubs to pickup women; but I will take women I'm already with to a club.
this is a very serious charge that your friend is making: **** girls working the trade at crazy house. a lot of the girls look young. i barfined a 19 year old and a 20 year old there myself not too long ago and they both looked young. so what! some girls look a lot younger than their age. i think it would be insane for the owners or the mamasan to jeopardize such a a successful ongoing business plus their own freedom by having even one **** girl on the premises. i can't believe they would be so reckless and stupid. after all this is soi 23 not some back alley sleaze joint in chinatown. the whole world is watching soi 23. that is why i find this hard to believe.yes, some girls look a lot younger than their age. we all know that. the first couple of times that i was here in se asia i was scared to barfine a 20-something year old that looked like 16. but now after 10 years of coming here i can guess / tell more precisely how old a girl is. i got used to the faces. and i guess i'm not the only one since quite a lot of guys have reported here about **** girls in crazy house.
however it is still not easy (for me at least) to tell if a girl is 18 or 17. but it is not so difficult most of the time to distinguish a 16 or 15 or even 14 year old from 18+ girls, especially if you see them all together like in an agogo. i have been to crazy house about 4 times now and in 2 occasions there were 14 and 15 year olds there. i'm 100% sure about that, first because it was quite obvious because of their looks and second because a girl i barfined confirmed it (she was in her late 30s by the way, for sure lol. see my post #26701).
but you are right: the whole world is watching thailand. or the whole of se asia for that matter. so i think the question is not if but when crazy house gets raided. there's a limit to bribing the police when the whole world is watching. 16 or 17 year olds mixed between 18 and 19 year olds are not so easy to spot, but 14 and 15 year olds are.
just my 2 cents.
Member #4387
05-06-14, 10:01
This will vary from person to person. For example, I have tinnitus. I spent too much time around loud industrial equipment without ear protection in my late teens and early twenties. In those days employers didn't give a shit and the USA government wasn't "interfering" with businesses. Even in a quiet room I hear a constant faint ring. In a loud room this quickly escalates into an fairly loud and annoying buzz; and it becomes impossible for me to distinguish particular sounds, especially those in the frequency range of a typical young female voice. This is a problem in gogo bars, but I'll put up with it for awhile as I enjoy the eye candy. It makes interaction difficult in clubs and gogo bars. I no longer go to clubs to pickup women; but I will take women I'm already with to a club.Sorry to hear that. Tinnitus must be hell. And pick a lady from somewhere and take her to a club aint such a bad idea. I do it myself sometimes but then mostly my regular girls and we go to some places in Thong Lor as of lately as they would not be willing to show themself in lower Suk). Only refering my comments down to Mr Breadman's "you have better luck in the streets". I find girls frequenting Climax (normal group of friends, FL's and semi pro / full time pro) much better looking and behavioural than a streetwalker (but ofcourse you can find gems amongst that crowd as well, I have just not seen to many and God knows I am looking while walking the streets).
Today I flew in from Jakarta and around 2pm I was having a walk down to Burger King (must be close to Suk Soi 1). I counted 16 streetwalkers (I know ofcourse numbers and quality can vary during the day but someone picking them is beyond me). Anyway at 2pm none I would have touched with welderglowes were present.
How they do it and if it is a exact science I don't know but according to the floormanager in Climax (I have learnt to know him quite well over the years) they don't let streetwalkers inside. I think they have a certain unformal intelligence around the sois. Atleast he claims they know who is streetwalking.
I was thinking of maby do swift pick up from BG but chose not to as I ran into 2 girls I did on a former occation. I gave them my Burger King to go food as they approached me from both sides (did have 2 burgers). This was more than I could handle right now. So I just left without looking for a decent talent to go. My mental state is not on its top after banging BATS girls (Bats is a basement nightclub under the Jakartas Shangri la hotel) and a few datingsitegirls down in Jakarta. Damn some of them are hot.
So here we are instead waiting a former TLL girl for a rendavouz fuck before leaving early tomorrow.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1563193]You may be right. I'm still bullish on China; though I agree they have a long row to hoe. Between foreign powers, horrible rulers and that charismatic revolutionary and economic idiot Mao, they were totally fucked for a long time. The thing is there are so many Chinese and they are so fucking industrious.
You are also a gold bug!
Lord Necros
05-06-14, 15:03
Time for the next FR. I originally wasn't going to put this in, but a fellow monger asked me if I faced any racism in Thailand and I so decided to add this report in as well.
On my 2nd day in Bangkok, I decided to check out Nana Plaza.
Reaching there is easy. You can simply walk from BTS Nana. After walking for around half a kilometer, take the first left after the Landmark hotel and viola, you are there.
I had decided to go there first early in the evening, around 6 PM, mainly to do a preliminary scouting of the place and get and idea of the layout.
At 6, the place had the air of a carnival just about to open up. There were no mongers / guests at that time, but the premises were chock full of the girl dressing up and chatting with each other. I decided to cut a circuit of the place and memorize the names of good looking bars so I can visit them later that night.
During my walk I crossed the Rainbow 4 bar and reached a rather dead corner of the building. Here a group of ladyboys / katoys were loitering around, eating and adjusting their makeup.
A big ladyboy wearing only a thing and bikini got in my way and starting to shake her hips. At first I laughed good naturedly but then things soured a bit. She wouldn't let me pass. Everytime I would try to walk around her, she would get in my face and rub her ass on me. I guess she had marked me a newb monger who could provide a bit of fun to them.
I am not the strongest man, and this gaggle of girls could easily overpower me.
After a few attempts, I grew somewhat cross. I caught her by her hips and bodily lifted her out of my way. She mimed a hurt face and commented stuff in thai after which they all giggled. I said thank you and walked away from that place. Overall, this was the only time in TH that I had faced a somewhat aggressive ladyboy. Most others would let me be when they notice that I am not interested.
Later that night, I returned around 11pm to check out the go go bars. It was at this time that I had my worst experience in Thailand which soured the rest of my trip for me.
I first entered Angelswitch. No issues here. I walked to an empty seat and a staff handed me the beer I asked. I sat there awhile checking out the shows. There a show where a girl massaged the other. Another one where a girl solo danced and then sat on the edge of the stage, offering the gets seated there her shapely legs and a cream to rub over it.
All this while the girls kept flocking over to the white gents around me. Every man seemed to have a couple of girls hanging by them. But no girl approached me.
I tried to look into the faces of some, so I could nod and expect them to come over. All I wanted to do was to talk a bit, buy them lady drinks and just enjoy the show a bit.
But every girl I looked at would look away. The realization hit me that brown skinned people just aren't considered positively here. I imagine the girl probably thinks that she is more likely to get lady drinks or taken out for LT, by a white male.
After 20 mins of sitting alone surrounded by men and girls, nursing a warming beer, I left the place.
I am sure other visitors will have a different rating for the service in this bar, but for me it was quite unsatisfactory.
I decided to hop over to another bar in the same floor, which I have heard a lot about. Rainbow fucking 4.
Rainbow4 had a thai guard at the door who stopped me from entering. He turned to an American gentleman who was also entering the bar along with me and asked "he with you?"
No, replied the guy. Then the American entered the bar.
A bit confused, I tried again. The thai guard put a hand on my chest "you no go".
I was stunned. Clearly, there is some mistake. I was well dressed and rather presentable. I certainly didn't look cheap.
I tried again and was denied again. I was still confused.
I thought maybe, we are supposed to go in 1 by 1. Thats why he has stopped me and will surely let me go in a moment. Seeing me still standing, the guard simply said "you go away".
I was crestfallen. I finally realized what was happening. This was the first time in my life, in all my travels that I had actually faced segregation. This was the first place I was denied entry because I was brown skinned and therefore, by proxy a "cheap charlie".
I left Nana Plaza, all thoughts of debauchery out of my mind now.
I am not sure if I became paranoid after this, but all of a sudden a lot of interactions that I have had so far started to make sense. Why the girl I picked in Annie's didn't seem so enthusiastic to be picked by me. Why did Dao at eden club looked so surprised when I agreed without any hesitation on buying them both drinks of their choice. Why the staff at the posher restaurants will serve me later than the people who arrived after me etc. Most of this is probably hog wash, but that was the state of mind I was in.
I did not monger that night. I just didn't have it left in me.
To be honest, its a tiny deal. All that happened was that I was denied entry in a strip bar.
But to me at that time it was a huge deal.
It made me realize how far down the totem pole my people are generally considered to be.
After that I did not go to any other mongering place in Bangkok. Except Som's. Som's cured me and made me fall in love.
But that is the next story and the last one, of my few days in Bangkok.
Time for the next FR. I originally wasn't going to put this in, but a fellow monger asked me if I faced any racism in Thailand and I so decided to add this report in as well.
On my 2nd day in Bangkok, I decided to check out Nana Plaza. Here a group of .
But that is the next story and the last one, of my few days in Bangkok.Have a look at forum rules with regard to your first encounter in NEP. Just a friendly advice
Yes, some girls look a lot younger than their age. We all know that. I have been to Crazy House about 4 times now and in 2 occasions there were 14 and 15 year olds there. I'm 100% sure about that, first because it was quite obvious because of their looks and second because a girl I barfined confirmed it (she was in her late 30s by the way, for sure LOL. See my post #26701).
Just my 2 cents.We all know WG will tell you whatever you want to hear.
Time for the next FR. I originally wasn't going to put this in, but a fellow monger asked me if I faced any racism in Thailand and I so decided to add this report in as well.
On my 2nd day in Bangkok, I decided to check out Nana Plaza. But that is the next story and the last one, of my few days in Bangkok.Sorry to hear about your experience, but then again it is too common in LOS especially in go-go bars. Many years ago I had the same experience of being denied entry to such a bar. Meh. Just forget about it. Just thank your brown brothers for that reputation.
I have found that there are plenty of babes in the sea who would love to take care of you and the pocket ATM. Ultimately money talks. There are many bars around like the Beer Garden, Thermae etc. Where you will find plenty of women ready and willing. If you spend some time with them you will find someone who will go overboard with you.
Re the LB talk, your post was just fine. What Jackson's rule meant the promotion of that culture. But that doesn't mean that you can't talk about it when it is a relevant issue. Just leave out the details.
To be honest, its a tiny deal. All that happened was that I was denied entry in a strip bar.
But to me at that time it was a huge deal.Lord,
You are invited to the remedial class on emotional control at Lollipop 1. Bangkok is too big to let any one person spoil your fun, way too many options here. Way more than probably every where else in the world.
Just where is crazy house in relation to soi cowboy? I entered cowboy from west to east, turned left (north) and looked for this place but couldn't find it. Where did I go wrong?
Ventured into some of the gogo's on cowboy, barracas, cowboy etc but was only window shopping after a visit to nataree. Any of these places go nude or at least topless?
Just where is crazy house in relation to soi cowboy? I entered cowboy from west to east, turned left (north) and looked for this place but couldn't find it. Where did I go wrong?
Ventured into some of the gogo's on cowboy, barracas, cowboy etc but was only window shopping after a visit to nataree. Any of these places go nude or at least topless?If you turned south, you would have hit it immediately.
Its in Soi 23 only 50m at most from Cowboy in a southerly direction. You should have persevered just a little.
Suzie Wong is totally nude. Crazy House has 50% of girls totally nude and extremely hot, and the others no knickers. Doll House has 50% of girls nude, Long Gun has 50% nude or stripping to nude. Not many girls in Doll House or Long Gun are to my taste. Mostly too pudgy.
Lord Necros
05-06-14, 17:21
Lord,
You are invited to the remedial class on emotional control at Lollipop 1. Bangkok is too big to let any one person spoil your fun, way too many options here. Way more than probably every where else in the world.Som's was all the remedy I needed. I am now aching to get back in BKK again. <3
Sorry to hear about your experience, but then again it is too common in LOS especially in go-go bars. Many years ago I had the same experience of being denied entry to such a bar. Meh. Just forget about it. Just thank your brown brothers for that reputation.
I have found that there are plenty of babes in the sea who would love to take care of you and the pocket ATM. Ultimately money talks. There are many bars around like the Beer Garden, Thermae etc. Where you will find plenty of women ready and willing. If you spend some time with them you will find someone who will go overboard with you.
Re the LB talk, your post was just fine. What Jackson's rule meant the promotion of that culture. But that doesn't mean that you can't talk about it when it is a relevant issue. Just leave out the details.I am fine about it now that I know what to expect and what kind of places to avoid. I was befuddled then because it was the first time I had faced such a situation in my life.
I do know a lot of my people indeed are "cheap charlies". But then we have just started to get some money. Will take a couple of decades for us Indians to get classier, I suppose. :D
Regarding LB, I am not really promoting them. Just had a sour experience which I put in as a part of my FR. But thanks for having my back.
Have a look at forum rules with regard to your first encounter in NEP. Just a friendly adviceDo you mean the Forum FAQ? I suppose you mean this.
"#6 No Transvestite / Transsexual / Ladyboy Reports"
It wasn't supposed to be a FR on ladyboys. And I don't think it is. Anyway, I will try to keep them out of my reports in future. Thanks for the heads up.
There are many bars around like the Beer Garden, Thermae etc. Where you will find plenty of women ready and willing.Duni, are you sure about Thermae. I was rejected by a girl for no apparent reason last time I was there (quite a long time ago now) , and I have since heard rumours that girls that go with anyone other than Japanese will be shunned, subsequently. I am Farang.
I was refused entry to the Soi 24/1 "Japanese Only" MP, and of course we hear we are not welcome at Thaniya clubs, so being rejected is not all that strange in Thailand.
A really hot girl at a 24/1 MP rejected me, unless I could guarantee a small dick and pass inspection. I was rejected no matter how gentle I guaranteed to be. LOL Rejection comes in many varieties, and its not always exactly for skin colour reasons, but generalising that assumes the way the person will be based on racial stereotype which may not be fair at all.
Western787
05-06-14, 18:25
Have a look at forum rules with regard to your first encounter in NEP. Just a friendly adviceHe's reporting an incidental event to his Bangkok experience to give his narration context, and what he reported in fact is relatively common among this group in and around Sukhumvit and NEP, where aggressive harassment along with assaults, and at times attempted pick pocketing, is not unusual. I even have had to advise newbies to Bangkok to restrain themselves and not punch them out, lest they bring in Thai police, the last thing was you want to happen in Bangkok
Western787
05-06-14, 18:47
Duni, are you sure about Thermae. I was rejected by a girl for no apparent reason last time I was there (quite a long time ago now) , and I have since heard rumours that girls that go with anyone other than Japanese will be shunned, subsequently. I am Farang.
I was refused entry to the Soi 24/1 "Japanese Only" MP, and of course we hear we are not welcome at Thaniya clubs, so being rejected is not all that strange in Thailand.
A really hot girl at a 24/1 MP rejected me, unless I could guarantee a small dick and pass inspection. I was rejected no matter how gentle I guaranteed to be. LOL Rejection comes in many varieties, and its not always exactly for skin colour reasons, but generalising that assumes the way the person will be based on racial stereotype which may not be fair at all.The ones on the left side, perhaps the first 50 to 70 or so, those are the ones most adament on the Japanese only rule. The rest its more mixed. Many patrons IMHO don't seem to know the deal and watching them get shot down can be pretty amusing and can be enjoyed while eaing popcorn. Often times lets say the guy is white, middle aged, and kind of heavy, when they do get rejected, they often get all embarassed and flustered since some of these girls are literally standing in the same spot for hours. One guy was at the bar and he calls over this real cutie (very pretty petite blonde, dazzling smile) and he buys' her a drink, and she's very gracious spending about 15 minutes with him, and smiling and everything and and so forth, but then she tells him she had to go back to her spot and he couldn't quite get it.
The ones on the left side, perhaps the first 50 to 70 or so, those are the ones most adament on the Japanese only rule. The rest its more mixed. Many patrons IMHO don't seem to know the deal and watching them get shot down can be pretty amusing and can be enjoyed while eaing popcorn. Often times lets say the guy is white, middle aged, and kind of heavy, when they do get rejected, they often get all embarassed and flustered since some of these girls are literally standing in the same spot for hours. One guy was at the bar and he calls over this real cutie (very pretty petite blonde, dazzling smile) and he buys' her a drink, and she's very gracious spending about 15 minutes with him, and smiling and everything and and so forth, but then she tells him she had to go back to her spot and he couldn't quite get it.Exactly why I don't go there anymore. Used to be one of the most "sanuk" venues in BKK. Now, yawn.
Getting my feet wet, the learning curve is coming around slowly. I've been seeing all these guys walking with their chosen girls back to their hotel rooms and finally had something to show off. Hit nana and checked out the first rainbow club you get to, one girl that I liked but I'm so unsure of coyote girl or regular dancer. Bought a cutie at spankies a lady drink just to get some groping in, wasn't planning on bar fining since I had already done 2 girls today. Needed to do some research. It was then I recalled reading rainbow had several bars at nana so went on a rainbow crawl. Went into the one next to spankys, still without a need to pull one out but one caught my eye. Number 10, sorry but couldn't understand her name. She had some nices curves on her so bought her a drink and away we went. Just loved walking next to her back to the hotel, thought she stood out really nice. 600 barfine just after midnight (thought they dropped later in the evening?) and 2500 short time.
Paul Kausch
05-06-14, 22:25
Breadman asked me to reduce the size of this photo and upload it to accompany the preceding post.
FruitNinja
05-06-14, 23:06
Getting my feet wet, the learning curve is coming around slowly. I've been seeing all these guys walking with their chosen girls back to their hotel rooms and finally had something to show off. Hit nana and checked out the first rainbow club you get to, one girl that I liked but I'm so unsure of coyote girl or regular dancer. Bought a cutie at spankies a lady drink just to get some groping in, wasn't planning on bar fining since I had already done 2 girls today. Needed to do some research. It was then I recalled reading rainbow had several bars at nana so went on a rainbow crawl. Went into the one next to spankys, still without a need to pull one out but one caught my eye. Number 10, sorry but couldn't understand her name. She had some nices curves on her so bought her a drink and away we went. Just loved walking next to her back to the hotel, thought she stood out really nice. 600 barfine just after midnight (thought they dropped later in the evening?) and 2500 short time.Keep them coming.
FruitNinja
05-06-14, 23:10
Exactly why I don't go there anymore. Used to be one of the most "sanuk" venues in BKK. Now, yawn.Not sur eof the rules of this particular club but at Bacarra if the girl doesn't have a full drink in front of her she has to dance. That's why they always order tequila. Faster drink turnaround. The only other way to get her to stay with you in to barfine her.
Western787
05-06-14, 23:18
Getting my feet wet, the learning curve is coming around slowly. I've been seeing all these guys walking with their chosen girls back to their hotel rooms and finally had something to show off. Hit nana and checked out the first rainbow club you get to, one girl that I liked but I'm so unsure of coyote girl or regular dancer. Bought a cutie at spankies a lady drink just to get some groping in, wasn't planning on bar fining since I had already done 2 girls today. Needed to do some research. It was then I recalled reading rainbow had several bars at nana so went on a rainbow crawl. Went into the one next to spankys, still without a need to pull one out but one caught my eye. Number 10, sorry but couldn't understand her name. She had some nices curves on her so bought her a drink and away we went. Just loved walking next to her back to the hotel, thought she stood out really nice. 600 barfine just after midnight (thought they dropped later in the evening?) and 2500 short time.Rainbow and Baccarra as of yet do not use Coyotes. However, that may not last long because the trend must be hurting their recruitment efforts as (for want of a better term)"Coyote Lites" seem to have a beter deal. They get higher flat per deim (per shift) dance fees, and only go with customers when they want to, although some club managers will tell you they go with everyone (minus the usual discretion factor regular dancers)
And many have better drink deals than regular dancers. Some make alot just selling drinks, but a lot of this is done by deceiving customers, and there will be a backlash from customers at some point. Plus existing dancers could demand more also.
Now the downside is that the barfine is double or triple normal rates, so all things equal there is less odds of getting barfined,
Its one thing when a coyote is typical G Club level in looks, but some of the newer Coyotes can be close to average, and some don't even dance well.
FruitNinja
05-06-14, 23:18
Just where is crazy house in relation to soi cowboy? I entered cowboy from west to east, turned left (north) and looked for this place but couldn't find it. Where did I go wrong?
Ventured into some of the gogo's on cowboy, barracas, cowboy etc but was only window shopping after a visit to nataree. Any of these places go nude or at least topless?If you enter Cowboy of the main road Asok Montri Road walk all the way to the end and hang a right at the Dutch Restaurant. It's 20'. The street it's on is Prasan Mit Alley. (Soi 23)
"The other day I got lucky. Ran into a girl near NEP in BKK who was the best DFK I've ever had on planet earth, whether LOS, Canada or SG. She also did BBBJ with her sexy Angelina Jolie sized lips for a long time, massaged my weiner between her largish tits without even a request for this, & asked what else I'd like. She was kissing me all over & rubbing her knockers everywhere. All that was just the warmup for the main event. Although she was by no means the best looking girl ever, and not my prefered slim body, it was one of the top rated sessions I've ever experienced."
Talk about luck. Had a very similar session & girl from NPL yesterday. It seems now may be the best time to be in BKK since 2007. If the stunners I've been with provided this kind of experience, they'd have a very good chance of quickly becoming "retired".
We all know WG will tell you whatever you want to hear.That's correct but if you are implying that I wanted to hear it then this is certainly not true. On the contrary. 18- girls do not belong in the P4P scene.
If you were not implying this then please forgive me.
After our ST session we were chatting for a while and (knowing her age) I asked her if it was difficult for her to be surrounded by younger girls. 'Oh yes' she sighed. 'I have to compete with 14 and 15 year olds'. Those were her exact words and it was not my intention to fish for this answer.
Paul Kausch
05-07-14, 05:44
After the exchange of reports on China and its economy I started thinking, something I seem to do less of and more poorly than I once did. I thought back to the relative size of the Chinese and US economies about five years ago, which is when I was last keeping track of such and did some quick math in my head, adjusting both for growth over the past five years. Intentionally I probably over estimated China's growth and underestimated the US growth. My conclusion was either I am crazy or the claim that China's economy will soon pass the US economy is crazy. So I decided to look for the origin of the claim that China will soon surpass the US.
I found a story in the Financial Times that stated,"China poised to pass US as world's leading economic power." This puzzled me because I think of the FT as a generally credible rag. Digging deeper I discovered the basis of this claim was a report released on April 29 by the World Bank. About every six years the WB releases an International Comparison Program report that compares the GDP of countries around the world. Ah ha! I found the problem. The WB report compare countries' GDP, adjusted for purchasing-power-parity (PPP) exchange rates, rather than market rates (currency exchange rates). This allows one to compare per capita income and measure people's living standards; but it does not measure the relative sizes of different countries' economies.
Using market exchange rates, today the US economy is 83% greater than China's economy. Depending on the assumptions one makes regarding the relative growth of the two economies and the appreciation of the renminbi, it will take China another 10 years, plus or minus to surpass the US. For example, over the past 30 years China has grown at an average of 10% per year; and the renminbi is appreciating at about 3% per year. If the 3% currency appreciation continues and the Chinese economy grows on average 5% faster per year than the US economy China will surpass the US in about 8 years.
A more disturbing aspect of the FT Article is that it is misleading in another way. Even if you use the PPP adjusted data, it is still apparent that on a per capita basis China is still a relatively poor country, which is something the Chinese leadership constantly reminds the developed countries. China's per capita income is now somewhere in the middle of the 200 odd countries the World Bank tracks. Its economy is large because there are 1.3 billion relatively poor people living in China. In contrast there are 317 million relatively wealthy people living in the US. So in ten years or so when the Chinese economy surpasses the US economy in size, which country will be wealthier? To me the more important questions are how much wealthier will the average person in China be (much wealthier I hope); and how well will the average person in the US be faring.
Lord. Great comments from everyone on your experience. Just want to add that it's pretty standard for us Indians primarily (like you state) because of the 'cheap charlie' behavior; but, on my many trips to BKK, it has happened every single time to me at Rainbow 4. I don't see it as much at Soi Cowboy, or at other places in NEP. My personal favorite in NEP is Spanky's where I have never had issues. Overall, I don't like NEP very much. Prefer the layout of SC and may check out PP on an upcoming trip.
Question for the board: Do you think a tip at the entry will loosen the bouncer at RB4?
Cheers / Pulse.
Som's was all the remedy I needed. I am now aching to get back in BKK again. <3.
I am fine about it now that I know what to expect and what kind of places to avoid. I was befuddled then because it was the first time I had faced such a situation in my life.
I do know a lot of my people indeed are "cheap charlies". But then we have just started to get some money. Will take a couple of decades for us Indians to get classier, I suppose. .
Regarding LB, I am not really promoting them. Just had a sour experience which I put in as a part of my FR. But thanks for having my back.
Do you mean the Forum FAQ? I suppose you mean this.
"#6 No Transvestite / Transsexual / Ladyboy Reports"
It wasn't supposed to be a FR on ladyboys. And I don't think it is. Anyway, I will try to keep them out of my reports in future. Thanks for the heads up.
Wolvenvacht
05-07-14, 07:00
Question for the board: Do you think a tip at the entry will loosen the bouncer at RB4?I have never seen people tipping the bouncers at any of the agogo clubs. Contrary to the practice in Western discos (where you risk to be 'bounced' if you forget the bouncer's tip when going outside) , such is not the case in Thailand yet. Perhaps we should not give the bouncers any ideas in that respect.
Perhaps we should not give the bouncers any ideas in that respect.Agree! We really don't want to be in the situation that we need to tip bouncers just to get in to anywhere in BKK.
[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1564097.
To me the more important questions are how much wealthier will the average person in China be (much wealthier I hope) ; and how well will the average person in the US be faring.[/QUOTE]I think that one of the things that skews any data like this is that it's looking at averages. I'm sure that the wealthiest and poorest in America, Australia, etc. Are much closer to the average than in China. I'm assuming that we look at the middle 90% and disregard the bottom and top 5% as unreliable outliers. I would think in China the average is pulled down by a significantly higher percentage of poor when compared to a small, but growing middle class. I would also say that the ultra-wealthy in China probably are not accounted for as their money is probably well hidden.
Even if the top end of the China, those who are now travelling more, make up a small percentage, a small percentage of a really big number is still a big number.
I saw an interesting article the other day about Chinese tourist in Chiang Mai and how they were considered to be quite rude. It was noted that a lot of them were peasants from small towns who had never traveled but suddenly became wealthy when their land was bought for developments. I'd say this is a small number though, however everywhere I've been in China there does seem to be a building boom going on.
Hope I didn't ramble on too much.
ActionOriented
05-07-14, 09:32
Lord. Great comments from everyone on your experience. Just want to add that it's pretty standard for us Indians primarily (like you state) because of the 'cheap charlie' behavior; but, on my many trips to BKK, it has happened every single time to me at Rainbow 4. I don't see it as much at Soi Cowboy, or at other places in NEP. My personal favorite in NEP is Spanky's where I have never had issues. Overall, I don't like NEP very much. Prefer the layout of SC and may check out PP on an upcoming trip.
Question for the board: Do you think a tip at the entry will loosen the bouncer at RB4?
Cheers / Pulse.Faced the same problem at the entry of Rainbow 4, I, on the other hand was asked to pay THB 1, 000 for entry. Strange request, decided against paying because none of the other customers entering the place were being asked to pay a similar amount for entry.
Hopefully, the scene at the other joints in NEP and Cowboy are more Indian friendly.
Paul Kausch
05-07-14, 09:42
I think that one of the things that skews any data like this is that it's looking at averages.There are several ways to calculate an average. One may calculate the arithmetic, geometric and harmonic means; and there are the median and the mode. Average incomes are determined by calculating the median, which is the value that separates the higher one-half of values from the lower one-half of values. Accordingly, it adjusts for the highly skewed nature of national incomes.
fellow mongers,
i would like to share my experience at spankeys, one night last week, one of the few bars showing full nudity and which i usually enjoy. firstly let me say that i am not a water sipper and i am not from the sub- continent and normally drink between 12 and 16 beers each night in the bars.
upon entering the bar about 11:30pm and drinking my first beer, once the level in the bottle got below that which was visible because of the foam cooler, various service staff would pick up my drink and shake it to determine the level. i found this behaviour arrogant to say the least, not only because it frothed up the beer but i found it extremely rude. when i finish my beer which normally takes about 30 to 35 minutes at that time of night, i will order another or leave. after about 30 minutes, with about 10% of my drink remaining! a female dressed in a black and white floral dress, whom i later found out was "in charge" confirep001ed the foam cooler. i complained that i had not finished my drink and she replied "you take one hour". i chased after her and retrieved the foam cooler and finished my drink.
against my better judgement i ordered another beer and this appalling behaviour continued with the second beer. after i finished that one i took the empty and my "check bin" to the cashier and asked to speak to the boss or manager. this was met with blank stares until finally the cashier pointed to the female who had taken my foam cooler earlier. i assumed that she was the person in charge.
i suggest that any member who would find this treatment of a customer to be unacceptable, avoid spankeys. i certainly will in future and won't be back. comments welcome.
johnie.
There are several ways to calculate an average. One may calculate the arithmetic, geometric and harmonic means; and there are the median and the mode. Average incomes are determined by calculating the median, which is the value that separates the higher one-half of values from the lower one-half of values. Accordingly, it adjusts for the highly skewed nature of national incomes.OK. I think I phrased what I was trying to say quite badly. What I was trying to say was that the averages do not show the complete picture of the wealth distribution in China, especially for those who are now travelling. That is, they earn significantly more than the average wage. If you think of the average wages in the US and other western countries then I would expect to see a bell curve distribution, whereas in China I think it may be a skewed curve, more skewed to the lower percentiles (Left side) than the right. Whilst that would mean less wealthy people above average as a percentage, they are still a higher number due to the overall population.
Paul Kausch
05-07-14, 10:55
OK. I think I phrased what I was trying to say quite badly.
If you think of the average wages in the US and other western countries then I would expect to see a bell curve distribution, whereas in China I think it may be a skewed curve, more skewed to the lower percentiles (Left side) than the right. Whilst that would mean less wealthy people above average as a percentage, they are still a higher number due to the overall population.You've done a good job of making complicated points clear. Without using more precise mathematical jargon it is very difficult to explain these concepts. Incomes in China, in the US, in all countries are skewed. What distinguishes China and the US is there is greater dispersion of incomes in China. The majority of people have very low incomes, there is a relatively small but growing middle class and a very small number of very wealthy individuals. In the US the are some poor people, the majority of people have a moderate income and there is a very small number of very wealthy individuals. The distribution of incomes in both countries has a long tail going in the positive direction, representing larger incomes. The hump reflecting the income range of the largest segment of people would be further in the positive direction in the US than in China. However, because of China's huge population the relatively small middle class is numerically large. China is working very hard to grow this middle class. They understand a large middle class is key to social and political stability, which they value above all else. If something close to current trends continue, in a decade China's middle class will be enormous.
Is there a place around nana or cowboy that sells sim cards for you phone? Went into mall 21 and didn't see anything but a samsung store.
Traveler1234
05-07-14, 12:30
Is this a China thread? Boring.
Is there a place around nana or cowboy that sells sim cards for you phone? Went into mall 21 and didn't see anything but a samsung store.Upstairs in T21 there is a Vodafone store.
Is there a place around nana or cowboy that sells sim cards for you phone? Went into mall 21 and didn't see anything but a samsung store.Most any 7-11. There is one just down Soi 19 which is next to T21. Top floor of T21 has the usual True, AIS stores. Probably DTAC too.
Duni, are you sure about Thermae. I was rejected by a girl for no apparent reason last time I was there (quite a long time ago now) , and I have since heard rumours that girls that go with anyone other than Japanese will be shunned, subsequently. I am Farang.
I was refused entry to the Soi 24/1 "Japanese Only" MP, and of course we hear we are not welcome at Thaniya clubs, so being rejected is not all that strange in Thailand.
A really hot girl at a 24/1 MP rejected me, unless I could guarantee a small dick and pass inspection. I was rejected no matter how gentle I guaranteed to be. LOL Rejection comes in many varieties, and its not always exactly for skin colour reasons, but generalising that assumes the way the person will be based on racial stereotype which may not be fair at all.Hey, I was talking about us brown buggers. No offense meant to the white farangs. Us brown farangs have enough issues as is. :D
But seriously, in the 2 plus decades I have been exploring LOS, I have had rejection only at a couple of go-go bars. My comment was to let the punter know that bars (other than go-go) are good alternatives. Regarding Thermae, I have never been rejected, though recently I have taken to reviewing the girls at the entrance. When you stay at the hotel above, it is quite an experience. I can take all the time I want. The bar there (on the lobby floor) keeps supplying my drinks and I don't have to buy lady drinks. And if you hang around long enough, you come across a few jewels. But then that's my thing. Not for everybody.
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Question for the board: Do you think a tip at the entry will loosen the bouncer at RB4?
Cheers / Pulse.Really? Why would you want to do that? They clearly don't want you. It's their management policy not the bouncers. Have some pride, man.
Lord Necros
05-07-14, 15:56
Really? Why would you want to do that? They clearly don't want you. It's their management policy not the bouncers. Have some pride, man.I agree here. Even if you are able to secure entry to such a place, the girls very likely will ignore you.
And R4 isn't even the best club in BKK. There are many better alternatives which have friendlier policies.
Played a little bit of pool at the bar next to the stumble inn, several cuties were present but why did only the chunky possible ladyboys come over? Stumbled out after 3 happy hour beers and made my way to nana but found it was too early. Stopped at the bar overlooking the nana entrance so I could get a look, tons of cuties coming in but it was hard to figure out what bar they were heading too. Eventually went back into spankys where one of the first girls that I took notice of was there again. Her name is something like peypey, they had no numbers so hard to be accurate. She's always been in the shower booth, small be's with pointy nipples, a bit shorter and a few extra pounds. But she reminded me of a french canadian I did years ago. Having done at least 20 girls and I just needed a break but i ended up buying her a drink just to show I liked her, she sat down but was up and dancing again in 5 minutes. Thought I'd finish my beer and head on down the road. Mamasan though had other idea's, she asked me "you barfine her?" and I said 'sure'. Then it was off to the short time hotel that soon became a bit longer than planned.
Walked up to the small time hotel, paid the 350 baht for the room and had some of the best 'one on one' action of this trip. I'm not talking 'pse' or even 'GFE' with tons of extra's, more of a connection of sorts. Went thru 2 condoms and things were heating up, tons of kissing, groping, fondling etc. Then we hit the shower together and that's when she really relaxed, music playing thru the floorboards so I start dancing and soon its a water festival. Not sure what the design but they had the toilet 'in' the shower stall, so what better way to get her laughing is to sit down on it like I needed a dump. Soon she was in my lap while I was on the toilet, grinding me while standing. I think I spent more time in the shower with her than having sex. Funny to hear pounding at the door that we are over our time and my girl could care less about leaving.
Barfine was 600, ladydrink and beer was 350, takeout for her was 2000, tip was 500, hotel was 400ish because of the extra time. Call it 4000 baht for a priceless connection. Well worth the cost, will try to get her longtime soon.
Is there a place around nana or cowboy that sells sim cards for you phone? Went into mall 21 and didn't see anything but a samsung store.Nana Square, at NEP intersection, where the Burger King is. See the lady inside the mall, the one with very full lips. She also provides personal mobile care, sells cheap phones that work worldwide & cool digits like 444-5588.
I agree here. Even if you are able to secure entry to such a place, the girls very likely will ignore you.
And R4 isn't even the best club in BKK. There are many better alternatives which have friendlier policies.Yeah man. Had a long time gf on Soi33. I saw their attitude sometimes about race. But. By and large. As far as I know all races are welcome there. Better girls and good clientele.
Cheers
Somewhere15
05-08-14, 05:27
Does anyone know if Baccara has reopened after the fire? Are the hotties still there?I made these two pictures May 1st, I believe two days after the reported fire. Looks like the 2nd floor was burned out, dowstairs it was business as usual.
Had the intention to make the other day a picture during daylight but forget it (and now on the airport after 10 weeks in BKK)
Really? Why would you want to do that? They clearly don't want you. It's their management policy not the bouncers. Have some pride, man.Not a matter of pride. Falls under the same category of trying to get a good table at a fancy restaurant, or trying to convince the girl / guy at the airport counter to give you an upgrade. So if the goods inside are worth it. I wouldn't mind paying a 'tax'. But, as you say, if it is management policy (I didn't know that) , or the girls inside aren't interested in us brownies. Then it's a lost cause. If it is bias from the bouncer himself, the 100 or 200THB could help him not generalizing.
Cheers / Pulse
Western787
05-08-14, 11:47
Played a little bit of pool at the bar next to the stumble inn, several cuties were present but why did only the chunky possible ladyboys come over? Stumbled out after 3 happy hour beers and made my way to nana but found it was too early. .LBs are not allowed in Morning Night Bar nor are freelancers of any type allowed.
Spent 2 days in BKK, nothing much to report though. On Tuesday my flight landed at 7:15 am and by 9 am I made it to my hotel, Admiral premier close to soi 23 Sukhumvit. From the airport I took airport link to Makkasan then MRT to Asok and then walked 100 meters, but ended up sweating at the reception desk with a very wet shirt. Probably should have taxied from Makkasan to the hotel at least, but I was afraid of morning heavy traffic. Now damage was only 50 baht. Slept from 9. 30am to 3pm after the long flight from Northern Europe. Took shower and went out.
Took skytrain to Phrong pong to get cash from the ATM at the mall there (Diners club works there, not everywhere I think). Wanted a session so went to across the street massage joints at about 5pm. Chose Addict. Massage around the corner. Not a great lineup but chose 21yo from Sakhon nakhon. She was a nice girl. Decent sized breasts and not the thinnest but nor too fat. The thai massage part was skipped and I didn't mind, massage was not what I was looking for. Directly into boom boom mode, misionary then doggy then finnish in missionary. She had a baby too don't they all in these joints? Most of them. She asked to do her another time before one hour was finished but I didn't have power, still jet lagged. Damage 2000 baht for an hour. Used the rest of the time talking, trying to improve my poor thai skills. Many massage joints on soi 24 side street but is there a big difference? I guess it is all about the girl.
Then hit my room for shower and set up a date with a dating site girl to lower sukhumvit bar. Maybe a mistake. She was a popular 30 year old, works with marketing. We played pool and drank too many beers, at least I did, also the tequila the girls bought. At 4am she thought dropping me at the hotel but I persuaded her to come with me. She said she had to leave at 7am for office. In the room I tried having sex but so drunk and with condom couldmreally not and she was no very eager so let it be. Phone alarm was set at 7am but she could wake up at 9am finally. I was feeling horny but she didn't want and I couldn't do anything, What a waste of time!"I'm not that kind of a girl you just have sex with in the morning". Except that from her naked pics in her phone and her many messages she showed I could she was not a good girl either. She left after 9 and I went back to sleep (had to come myself first). Hope I never see her again. She also had a child, which she doesn't mention on that site. Waste of time but money saved (did not hit any gogos during 2 days).
2nd night I met another dating site girl, we had a dinner together and some cocktails. Then to my room. She was 30yo small girl. Had been to and dated a European before, but broke up 6 months ago. Slim but some breasts. I thought sex first then maybe go out but we never did. We had some ber and sex and talked from 00-04am, not bad. First time safe sex with condom but then just happened to forgot (easier to come a bit drunk). Came 3-4 times during the night. And 1 last time in the morning.
The in the afternoon took a taxi here to Pattaya. Now tonight also resting, so much sex and too many drinks this week and also last week in Europe. Should drink less it is starting to affect sexual abilities I can feel it. But hey, now I'm in Pattaya 3 days what can you do?
Ps. Sorry too tired to correct bad English
Ps2. if someone want show me some bars in pattaya this weekend pls pm me
Member #4237
05-08-14, 22:31
i just want to start this fr by saying this just happened, and holy shit it was awesome!
so, this is my third trip to bkk since january and i have stayed in the massage parlors for the others. and up until tonight. each time, i have stayed at the jw and stared out the window at the nana plaza, never quite daring to go in. i have walked the streets a few times after finishing at a mp. normally to get a shawarma. but i was never quite sure what the system was and just didn't have the (guts | courage | wherewithal) to go in.
so, i've been here since sunday and i had thought out how i would work the week: 2 pops on sunday at annies. 1 on monday at a mp, rest day on tuesday, wednesday i booked a girl at premiere, rest on thursday. 2 more on friday, and out. someone said on another thread that it isn't a race, but when you only have 6 nights in bkk before going back to the states, it's about maximizing the experience.
so, i wrote other reports about my lack of discipline (including going into a mp for a foot massage, only to end up in fs, which i thought would sober my 2 pops at annies (it didn't).
so, today was supposed to be another rest day leading up to the big finish tomorrow, but goddamnit, i couldn't do it. again, i thought i would take a break in the afternoon to get a foot massage. again, the masseuse told me that a full body oil massage would be better, and again, i ended up popping in the communal massage room. damn! there goes my rest day.
so, i went back to the hotel and got dinner, then came back to my room and looked at nana. fuck it! tonight, i am going to see what's up, so i headed down. i didn't even bother to change into something nice, just jean shorts, an under armour shirt, and birkenstocks. i started on the ground floor and headed left. as i passed the first club, i just saw the people outside. and it really didn't look convincing. then i kept walking around, getting accosted by a couple of girls near the end of the ground floor. i successfully made it past them and rounded the corner. about halfway into the back stretch (right side of nana plaza ground floor, while looking in) , i decided to go into one of the rainbow clubs. sat down, ordered a beer, and looked at the girls dancing (all wearing bras and panties). nothing jumped out at me, so i paid, drank about half my beer (i'm not a big drinker. and wasn't there to drink) , gave the waitress 20 for a tip and moved on. i decided to head upstairs. again, starting at "6 o'clock, working clockwise) , i walked by the first club and passed, then peeked into the second club. oh, they are topless. that's much better. grabbed a seat, ordered a beer and started to enjoy the show.
so, i've been to a lot of strip clubs in the states, but i've never had a budget to go to the vip room, so it was normally an exercise in handing out ones and buying drinks / lap dances til i was broke, and going home with blue balls. i knew this different from rtffing this guide, and i liked that girls weren't coming around trying to get money (maybe asking to sit down and get a drink, but not trying to coax all of my 1s and 5s out of my wallet. i did find a girl who had tits like i liked, but she looked 40. she sat down next to me (even though i didn't invite her over) and we started to chat. she said she was 30 (so, i'm convinced she was 40) , and that was that. paid for my drink and left.
i went into the next bar. this time, one of the girls on the stage had decent tits (not great. or what i was looking for. but decent) , and had a relatively pretty face. i told mamasan i wanted her to sit with me. so she came over, i agreed to a lady drink, and she started grabbing at my dick, kissing me, and urging me to feel her tits. she was like a mentor in a movie, detailing how it worked. i could pay a 600 baht bar fine. 300 for a room and 2000 for her. i told her i wanted to think about it while i finished my beer, and we continued to kiss and fondle each other for another 20 minutes. i decided against her, paid the 235 for the beer and her drink, and then gave her a 165 as a tip.
i repeated this at another bar before ending up in mandarin. by now, i was sure i needed to find someone, and on stage was #66, kip. who was exactly what i wanted. mamasan asked me what i wanted, i said a beer and pointed at kip. she also wanted me to buy her (mamasan) a drink. i declined that. she asked if i wanted a room, and i asked if i could take her back to the jw. ok. i asked about long time, and she said the girl doesn't do long times. still, it was getting late (probably 12:45) and i knew i was only going to get one pop. and even that wasn't a guarantee based on my earlier undisciplined actions. kip came over, i asked her if she would go to the jw. she said. 600 for bar fine and 2000 for her for short time. reiterating that she didn't do long times. she said if it takes more than 1 hour, i could give extra, depending on how i felt.
paid for the drinks and the bar fine. kip went to change and a few minutes later, we were off for the short walk. she explained that her mom didn't know that she worked at nana and that she had to come home every night. she also made a point of the fact that she couldn't give out her line, facebook, or phone information because her mom checked her phone. (later, i chided her saying that she was 22 and didn't know how to set up a gmail account to use inside of safari on her iphone. which she thought was funny).
so, we get up to the room and she asks if i have condoms. of course. she tells me to come to take a shower. though essentially, she showered in the garden bath tub and directed me to the shower. this wasn't fun time, it was getting clean time. no problem. i was able to get a great look at her tits and ass. jesus christ, i chose well on this one. when i stepped out of the shower, she noted how big i am (cock) and i asked if it would be a problem, and she unconvincingly said no.
once we got to the bed, i started kissing her and went down on her. i'll tell you what, i probably spent 20 minutes eating out her pussy. it was just the best i think i have ever had, and she was really grinding on me. by now, i am rock hard, ready to give it a go.
she put the condom on, again wincing at my size, gave my dick a few licks and then got on top. she did not last more than two minutes before she had to get off and let me get on top. so, i changed positions, and slowly started to give her all i had. i could write a volume about the next 90 minutes, but essentially, i'd hammer her until i thought she was in too much pain / discomfort, take a break and eat her sweet, sweet pussy, have her switch positions, then take a short break.
as i mentioned, i don't drink much anymore, so that had 2 effects. one was that i had to stop and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) twice during this marathon session. the second was that it might have been a marathon session because big james had alcohol blocking the lane, if you know what i mean. during the second break, she actually got up and went into the garden bath to hose off. she asked me if i had any ky, and it turns out i had some in my medicine bag. which i only carried in the days before i started mongering when i wanted a good jerkoff session. lucky me, right?
she did say again that i was big and there was some pain, and i asked her if it was ok, and she didn't say to stop. in fact, with the ky, i slipped out quite a few times, and even though her shrieks were "get off me shrieks", she eagerly reached down to put james back in.
finally, she got back on top and rode me and grinded like i have never been grinded on before. finally, i shot a load so hard i thought she would end up on the next floor.
fuck, that was great. i'm still reeling and it was an hour ago.
we went in to shower, she got dressed and so did i. i went to my wallet and pulled out 4000 baht ($123) and asked her if that was ok. she said, no, it wasn't ok. it was only supposed to be 2000 baht. i laughed and told her to keep it. look, i have paid $200 and $300 usd in new zealand and up to $500 usd in japan, and this experience rivaled all except one of my girls. she was thankful for the extra money and was gushing over me at that point. pain forgotten.
i took a couple of pictures and asked for her email or phone number. said that when i come back, i wanted to see her again. she stuck with the mom checks my phone routine, and i let it go. she did say to just ask for #66 next time and she let me take a picture of her with her tattoo.
as i walked her out, she kept grabbing my dick, telling me how big i was and then said she usually only goes with japanese guys and had never been with a farang before. i asked why she went with me, she said it was because it was a slow night and almost over. she said she had been scared of farangs before (maybe rightfully so) , so i was lucky to be the first.
hopefully that opens her up to other mongers out there. though she might be expecting the big tip. so i hope i didn't ruin that for everyone.
still, god damn she was hot and that was awesome. next time i am in bkk, fuck the mps, i have converted to a nana man (though i'll probably keep a trip to annie's on each visit). i've got an overnight layover in bkk before heading to nepal later in the year, and you can bet i am going to try to hook up with #66 again.
LBs are not allowed in Morning Night Bar nor are freelancers of any type allowed.So the girl wasn't a ladyboy, just had a mustache then. And your seriously telling me all those girls that were in that bar all three days that I went by aren't freelancers? What are they then, employees of the bar? I'm asking because they'd walk right up to the bar and get a drink whereas the guys had to order drinks thru the waitress. So whats the deal with them then if they are freelancers or employee's of the bar, are they there to get guys to stick around and keep drinking? I never did see any girls leave with a guy but they sure got comfortable sitting in their laps.
Western787
05-09-14, 07:38
So the girl wasn't a ladyboy, just had a mustache then. And your seriously telling me all those girls that were in that bar all three days that I went by aren't freelancers? What are they then, employees of the bar? I'm asking because they'd walk right up to the bar and get a drink whereas the guys had to order drinks thru the waitress. So whats the deal with them then if they are freelancers or employee's of the bar, are they there to get guys to stick around and keep drinking? I never did see any girls leave with a guy but they sure got comfortable sitting in their laps.In regard to Morning Night, Stumble Inn, the Hillary bars and similar "pool" bars, they all operate more or less the same way: 1. Freelancers and / or LB's cannot play their trade there 2. The girls you see floating around are, yes, bar employees (and of course can obtain drinks for themselves directly at the bar)
All those bargirls and nearly all the waitresses in Morning Night and similar clubs are available for barfine, and while its not as obvious as Go Go's, if you're there extended hours, especially in regard to the hotter girls, you will notice some leaving (or just arriving back) from sessions, the exception being certain girls (girls that start in morning and get off later afternoon) some of them arrange their barfines only after their shifts end.
At Morning Night the girls (and waitresses) are controlled by the Head Waitress (kind of cute, slender, late 20's or early 30's and often wears hair in a bun) , With the day waitresses they are generally not barfinable until the end of their shift, usually around 7 pm.
Bangkok field report May 2014.
With just 2 nights in Bangkok I was eager to make the most of my time and enjoy some local company.
Managed to visit most of the hot spots including Soi Cowboy, Nana Plaza, Thermae, Sukhumvit Road and Khao San Road.
Nana Plaza was great fun, girls in here are all a little crazy and eager to find fun with farangs. Rainbow bar 2nd floor was completely full of drooling mongerers so gave it a miss and ventured into other establishments. Wandered around the complex and 2 notable venues were top floor, left side (sorry can't remember names). The top floor left side corner was the most fun with some stunning younger girls hanging around outside. A gorgeous girl 'Nam' escorted me to a table and joined me for the evening, her 2 other friends 'Tookta' and 'Cheerie' also joined us and were equally gorgeous. I think these were by far the 3 most beautiful and fun girls in the room. Had a great time joking around, drinking and touching with all 3 girls. I was eager to take my first friend 'Nam' home but was quoted 2,000 for bar fine and 3, 500 for short time. I was also informed that if she went with me she would have to leave my room at 2am. Considering it was already after midnight I decided to pass and move onto other options.
I strolled down to Soi Cowboy and ended up in the 'Crazy House' sitting next to the mamma San. This was great as she assisted in calling girls over to inspect and providing reccomendations. Definetly worth while chatting with mamma to get the best girl. I settled on a gorgeous young 18yr girl, normally this is a little young for me but she was simply irrisistable and quite mature for her age. She was fantastic in the bedroom, we had great fun and really enjoyable GFE. Think her name was 'Tin'
2nd night I checked out KhaoSan road but was there is nothing worth reporting. Just T-Shirts, souvenirs, beer gardens, restaurants & lots of backpackers. No mongering to be done here.
Went back to Crazy House. Soi Cowboy (via Suxy Wongs and Tilak bar) and invited a beautiful 29yr girl to join me for the evening. Made sure MammaSan gave me the ok and off we went. Turns out she was Burmese but she went off in the bedroom with a screaming orgasm and more juices flowing than me.
Rates from Crazy House were 700bf and 2,500short time. Both night the girls stayed till early hours of the night.
Thermae was an interesting experience. Had a look in here but it's quite an uncomfortable scene. All the girls are lined up around the edge of the room and all the men sit / stand around a long bench in the centre. It's like a massive 2 way fishbowl where everybody is looking around the room at each other. I would say all the girls are average 5/10 with a few 6 and 7 but I would think the good ones likely get snapped up early. I had a chat with a few girls and they seem very eager to be selected. I was informed rates were 2,000 for 2hrs but I would think this needs negotiating in each circumstance.
There we're plenty of freelancers on Sukhumvit Road around bus stops & mcdonalds etc though nothing that was worth looking twice at unless you are into ladyboys. I would steer away from street girls.
So reccomendation from my travels, sights and scenes would be warm up at Nana Plaza (really hot fun girls) then check out Crazy House at Soi Cowboy. (equally hot and fun but less expensive girls). Crazy House had a great selection of girls, mostly young with a few older but trim girls, importantly though they all smile and look like they are enjoying themselves. Speak with the Mumma and get her to help select a favorite.
I stayed at the Continental hotel, walking distance to Soi Cowboy and girl friendly. Great hotel. Both nights the girls were suitably impressed. Cost for 2 nights was about 6,000thb.
Hope my report helps others find equally enjoyable experience's.
In regard to Morning Night, Stumble Inn, the Hillary bars and similar "pool" bars, they all operate more or less the same way: 1. Freelancers and / or LB's cannot play their trade there 2. The girls you see floating around are, yes, bar employees (and of course can obtain drinks for themselves directly at the bar)
All those bargirls and nearly all the waitresses in Morning Night and similar clubs are available for barfine, and while its not as obvious as Go Go's, if you're there extended hours, especially in regard to the hotter girls, you will notice some leaving (or just arriving back) from sessions, the exception being certain girls (girls that start in morning and get off later afternoon) some of them arrange their barfines only after their shifts end.
At Morning Night the girls (and waitresses) are controlled by the Head Waitress (kind of cute, slender, late 20's or early 30's and often wears hair in a bun) , With the day waitresses they are generally not barfinable until the end of their shift, usually around 7 pm.Take a look at the Hillary Group website at: http://www.hillarygroup.com/ The website covers all the Hillary bars, Morning Night and the Climax club which appear to be all owned by the same corporation or family. Each bar's website has photo galleries of their employees which gives you an idea of the level of attractiveness of the staff at the bars.
Take a look at the Hillary Group website at:
http://www.hillarygroup.com/
The website covers all the Hillary bars, Morning Night and the Climax club which appear to be all owned by the same corporation or family. Each bar's website has photo galleries of their employees which gives you an idea of the level of attractiveness of the staff at the bars.You hit it right on the spot with that website, the very first photo with the two girls, the one I liked right off the bat was the one to the left with the brown'ish hair and gold necklace, standing next to the taller girl in the blue shirt.
Anyway, me and my wingman are planning on seeing how the weekend goes with the protests, might not stick around Bangkok depending on how close things get to our area.
Western787
05-09-14, 14:59
Take a look at the Hillary Group website at:
http://www.hillarygroup.com/
The website covers all the Hillary bars, Morning Night and the Climax club which appear to be all owned by the same corporation or family. Each bar's website has photo galleries of their employees which gives you an idea of the level of attractiveness of the staff at the bars.While it can be hit or miss at times, but when one visits these places a lot over a number of weeks, you can dig up a lot of hidden gems at the Hillary Bars and Morning Night (and other bars on Soi 4) Solid 8's do show up now and then, some G club quality, at various times. The sheer volume of girls they have working in these clubs, tends to produce some hotties.
And note newly hired girls tend to have to start work early in the morning, so that's sometimes a time surprises can show up.
Also itsgood reason why people with limited time in Bangkok need to really focus on a certain geographic areas, and Nana is perfect given the large number of Go Go's, Bars, and freelancers, and easily 1000 plus girls are available to chose in a very small geographic area that is easy to walk around.
I just want to start this FR by saying this just happened, and holy shit it was awesome!
I went to my wallet and pulled out 4000 Baht ($123) and asked her if that was OK. She said, no, it wasn't OK. It was only supposed to be 2000 Baht. I laughed and told her to keep it. Look, I have paid $200 and $300 USD in New Zealand and up to $500 USD in Japan, and this experience rivaled all except one of my girls. She was thankful for the extra money and was gushing over me at that point. Pain forgotten.This is how certain things happen!
Mr Enternational
05-09-14, 20:18
Was just in accident on the way to Pattaya. Guy side swipped our taxi on the highway and kept going. Two other cars saw it and someone made the guy stop a ways up. Two guys and a girl. They opened the guy's door and started beating the shit out of him. They finally left and we are waiting for the cops.
Member #4237
05-09-14, 21:24
This is how certain things happen!Ain't that the truth.
Went back to Nana for my last night in town. Hit up about two clubs before heading back into Mandarin. Saw Kip and asked her if she wanted to go again. She said she had to go with another customer and would be back in 45 minutes. I set the timer on my phone and went to some of the ones I hadn't yet been in. When the timer on my phone went off, I headed back to Mandarin and she was waiting for me. There was no hesitation to come back with me. I asked her how long she could stay. She said until 1:30 (it was midnight). I said 2:00. I didn't want to go to the ATM to get more Baht so I asked if I could pay in USD. And showed her 3 Fifties.
It was pretty much a repeat of the night before. I made her cum at least twice. Once while going down on her and a second time riding her from behind. Shot my load all over her stomach and chest. Still couldn't get her to kiss. The only real negative I'd say about her.
We both showered and she took her time getting ready to leave, allowing us to talk. She consented to taking some pictures.
Just a gorgeous lady and a real workhorse. Even though there were moments where I was sensing she didn't want to go on, she allowed me to switch her to a new position and didn't complain. When it was done, she said that most of her customers were only 5 minutes and she didn't have time to cum. Then she embarrassingly admitted to coming a few times during our 90 minute session (with 30 minutes of pre-showering and post-showering).
Again, I didn't pay market value, but to me, it is like paying a pro athlete more just to have that person in your bullpen. Next time I am in town, I'll look her up again and I'll bet she makes the short walk over with me.
I love BKK! There is something comforting about the possibility of seeing the same girl at least once each time I come back.
Ain't that the truth.
Went back to Nana for my last night in town. Hit up about two clubs before heading back into Mandarin. Saw Kip and asked her if she wanted to go again. She said she had to go with another customer and would be back in 45 minutes. I set the timer on my phone and went to some of the ones I hadn't yet been in. When the timer on my phone went off, I headed back to Mandarin and she was waiting for me. There was no hesitation to come back with me. I asked her how long she could stay. She said until 1:30 (it was midnight). I said 2:00. I didn't want to go to the ATM to get more Baht so I asked if I could pay in USD. And showed her 3 Fifties.
It was pretty much a repeat of the night before. I made her cum at least twice. Once while going down on her and a second time riding her from behind. Shot my load all over her stomach and chest. Still couldn't get her to kiss. The only real negative I'd say about her.
We both showered and she took her time getting ready to leave, allowing us to talk. She consented to taking some pictures.
Just a gorgeous lady and a real workhorse. Even though there were moments where I was sensing she didn't want to go on, she allowed me to switch her to a new position and didn't complain. When it was done, she said that most of her customers were only 5 minutes and she didn't have time to cum. Then she embarrassingly admitted to coming a few times during our 90 minute session (with 30 minutes of pre-showering and post-showering).
Again, I didn't pay market value, but to me, it is like paying a pro athlete more just to have that person in your bullpen. Next time I am in town, I'll look her up again and I'll bet she makes the short walk over with me.
I love BKK! There is something comforting about the possibility of seeing the same girl at least once each time I come back.With all due respect man, you are the customer. Its your show, not hers. Words like "allowing." "consenting," "couldn't get her to kiss," and "I'll bet she makes the short walk over with me" make it sound like the customer is being dictated to by the service provider. This is not the West, leave that language back home.
With all due respect man, you are the customer. Its your show, not hers. Words like "allowing." "consenting," "couldn't get her to kiss," and "I'll bet she makes the short walk over with me" make it sound like the customer is being dictated to by the service provider. This is not the West, leave that language back home.Very much agreed.
And if a girl does not kiss, that means she does not like you in any way at all. Its a sure fire sign a girl does not like the customer when she does not kiss. That might not bother some people but for me it would be a killer to be banging her pussy knowing full well she does not like you.
Ain't that the truth.
Went back to Nana for my last night in town. She said until 1:30 (it was midnight). I said 2:00. I didn't want to go to the ATM to get more Baht so I asked if I could pay in USD. And showed her 3 Fifties.
I love BKK! There is something comforting about the possibility of seeing the same girl at least once each time I come back.And happens again. I hate price police and it is your money. But appr 5000bath for a ST with all those limitations is an outrageous game.
She must be used to it and getting accustomed as when already booked she promised to be back in 45 minutes and she did it, even earlier.
With a couple of customers like you guys every night she will retire for goods at 25.
Ain't that the truth.
Went back to Nana for my last night in town. Hit up about two clubs before heading back into Mandarin. Saw Kip and asked her if she wanted to go again. She said she had to go with another customer and would be back in 45 minutes. I set the timer on my phone and went to some of the ones I hadn't yet been in. When the timer on my phone went off, I headed back to Mandarin and she was waiting for me. There was no hesitation to come back with me. I asked her how long she could stay. She said until 1:30 (it was midnight). I said 2:00. I didn't want to go to the ATM to get more Baht so I asked if I could pay in USD. And showed her 3 Fifties.
It was pretty much a repeat of the night before. I made her cum at least twice. Once while going down on her and a second time riding her from behind. Shot my load all over her stomach and chest. Still couldn't get her to kiss. The only real negative I'd say about her.
We both showered and she took her time getting ready to leave, allowing us to talk. She consented to taking some pictures.
Just a gorgeous lady and a real workhorse. Even though there were moments where I was sensing she didn't want to go on, she allowed me to switch her to a new position and didn't complain. When it was done, she said that most of her customers were only 5 minutes and she didn't have time to cum. Then she embarrassingly admitted to coming a few times during our 90 minute session (with 30 minutes of pre-showering and post-showering).
Again, I didn't pay market value, but to me, it is like paying a pro athlete more just to have that person in your bullpen. Next time I am in town, I'll look her up again and I'll bet she makes the short walk over with me.
I love BKK! There is something comforting about the possibility of seeing the same girl at least once each time I come back.I often wonder how some peoples expecations are so low and they pay so much for it.
I would love to see a picture of this nonkissing superstar. $150 in a third world country for that. Who's is fooling themselves? Should just stay home for that price.
She must be used to it and getting accustomed as when already booked she promised to be back in 45 minutes and she did it, even earlier.Feel sorry for the guy she booked with, given that she was back in under 45 mins. Hopefully he also didn't pay 5, 000 baht or he would really be feeling ripped off.
Member #4698
05-10-14, 12:25
Words like "allowing." "consenting," "couldn't get her to kiss," and "I'll bet she makes the short walk over with me" make it sound like the customer is being dictated to by the service provider. This is not the West, leave that language back home.The most telling Western Expression about being under the yoke of feminist domination is the phrase "did you get lucky last night" referring to a friend asking a friend if he picked up a girl and got laid last night. In Asia there is no luck involved. When a man goes out looking for pussy he ALWAYS finds it. In Bangkok the shoe is on the other foot and it is the girl that gets lucky when she hooks a customer. The OP will learn this the more he travels to LOS and frees himself of the Western mindset. He will also learn that there are hundreds if not thousands of Thai girls that will give him more/better service than what he received at Mandarin. As the Eagles sang, "You can't hide your lyin' [western] eyes".
You can't hide your lyin' eyes
And your smile is a thin disguise
I thought by now you'd realize
There ain't no way to hide your lyin eyes
Due to Political instability and public protests all over Thailand is it Safe for tourists? All are aware that the Prime minister and cabinet has been ousted by the supreme court. Is Bangkok and Pattaya a safe place to visit for mongering?
Expert opinion please from the locals
Western787
05-10-14, 14:07
The most telling Western Expression about being under the yoke of feminist domination is the phrase "did you get lucky last night" referring to a friend asking a friend if he picked up a girl and got laid last night. In Asia there is no luck involved. When a man goes out looking for pussy he ALWAYS finds it. In Bangkok the shoe is on the other foot and it is the girl that gets lucky when she hooks a customer. The OP will learn this the more he travels to LOS and frees himself of the Western mindset. He will also learn that there are hundreds if not thousands of Thai girls that will give him more / better service than what he received at Mandarin. As the Eagles sang,"You can't hide your lyin' [western] eyes".
You can't hide your lyin' eyes.
And your smile is a thin disguise.
I thought by now you'd realize.
There ain't no way to hide your lyin eyesAgree to an extent, however Bangkok is obviously is in transition, with power shifting to the providers, and the smart phone itself (often in plain view when Go Go girls are on the stage) is representative of the fact that they are now connected to the world and will price accordingly whenever they can.
ActionOriented
05-10-14, 14:21
Due to Political instability and public protests all over Thailand is it Safe for tourists? All are aware that the Prime minister and cabinet has been ousted by the supreme court. Is Bangkok and Pattaya a safe place to visit for mongering?
Expert opinion please from the localsI had the same query as well, will be in BKK next weekend onwards. The recent news reports coming out of Thailand do not appear to be optimistic. Will be staying and hanging in the general Sukhumvit area, please can anyone (either travelling this week or based out of BKK) give an update on the status (safe or not safe)? Thanks.
I had the same query as well, will be in BKK next weekend onwards. The recent news reports coming out of Thailand do not appear to be optimistic. Will be staying and hanging in the general Sukhumvit area, please can anyone (either travelling this week or based out of BKK) give an update on the status (safe or not safe)? Thanks.For you guys thinking of coming to BKK I'd say maybe not safe.
If you want superior safety, try SG which will always be safer than BKK at any time in the past decade or for the forseeable future. They also speak English & the pooning is just as good. See the Geylang thread for more info.
OTOH, if you are weighing the PI with LOS or BKK, Siam is generally considered significantly safer, even IMO at times such as this.
FruitNinja
05-10-14, 15:17
I had the same query as well, will be in BKK next weekend onwards. The recent news reports coming out of Thailand do not appear to be optimistic. Will be staying and hanging in the general Sukhumvit area, please can anyone (either travelling this week or based out of BKK) give an update on the status (safe or not safe)? Thanks.Not sure what the situation is on the ground right now but I was there a month ago and the protests were confined to a park. I saw no evidence of any organized mob around Sukhamvit area other than the usual Hari Krishnas around soi 7/1 which are a hoot to watch. I just emailed a guy living in the Suk area. Will let you know if her replies. I personally wouldn't let it change my plans. Worst case scenario is there are protests at which point I would head to Pattaya.
Not sure what the situation is on the ground right now but I was there a month ago and the protests were confined to a park. I saw no evidence of any organized mob around Sukhamvit area other than the usual Hari Krishnas around soi 7/1 which are a hoot to watch. I just emailed a guy living in the Suk area. Will let you know if her replies. I personally wouldn't let it change my plans. Worst case scenario is there are protests at which point I would head to Pattaya.I live here and even when the protests were at their worst during the shutdown all mongering in BKK was not affected. Even Soi Cowboy which is located by the old Silom Rally site stayed open. If anything it kept the traffic away and their were more girls to choose from. Nana was completely unaffected and the sky train was wide open to travel to soi 24 and up to visit the massage joints. Your in the clear so don't worry.
ActionOriented
05-10-14, 15:32
Not sure what the situation is on the ground right now but I was there a month ago and the protests were confined to a park. I saw no evidence of any organized mob around Sukhamvit area other than the usual Hari Krishnas around soi 7/1 which are a hoot to watch. I just emailed a guy living in the Suk area. Will let you know if her replies. I personally wouldn't let it change my plans. Worst case scenario is there are protests at which point I would head to Pattaya.Thanks mate, makes sense going on to Pattaya if things get heated up in BKK. But, please do let us know once your friend confirms the general situation on the ground.
Very much agreed.
And if a girl does not kiss, that means she does not like you in any way at all.Yes and no. Often you are correct. However there are Thai girls that do not like to kiss full stop. There are others that do not like to kiss but after a couple of drinks, suddenly change their mind. I. E. Some Thai girls thinks certain things are dirty and should not be done, but become wayward girls doing lots of "dirty" things after a few drinks, and become much more sexually aggressive too.
Hi Guys,
Will be visiting BKK for few days.
Can anyone recommend a good soapy massage place near sukhumwit 15 except annies?
WW
Hi Guys,
Will be visiting BKK for few days.
Can anyone recommend a good soapy massage place near sukhumwit 15 except annies?
WWWhy near? How near? Darling is very near but I can't say how good it is. I would personally go further to Amsterdam.
Alternative take Dr. BJ's Nuru or my favourite, the VIP special at Dr. BJ. Including soapy body slide but shower instead of bath. Who really needs a bath? I prefer molesting a naked girl standing up.
. With a couple of customers like you guys every night she will retire for goods at 25.Huh? You want her to work forever in this job in order for her to retire? Feel bad that one has a mindset like you.
Why near? How near? Darling is very near but I can't say how good it is. I would personally go further to Amsterdam.
Alternative take Dr. BJ's Nuru or my favourite, the VIP special at Dr. BJ. Including soapy body slide but shower instead of bath. Who really needs a bath? I prefer molesting a naked girl standing up.Thanks,
Where are these places?
Very much agreed.
And if a girl does not kiss, that means she does not like you in any way at all. Its a sure fire sign a girl does not like the customer when she does not kiss. That might not bother some people but for me it would be a killer to be banging her pussy knowing full well she does not like you.I've had quite a few Thai girls not into kissing, & wouldn't presume to know their thoughts as to why. There could be many reasons. But they were more than willing to blow me, bang me BB, lick my ass & balls, etc, often for hours. If that means they don't like me, I probably wouldn't know it anyway or care, since they serviced me to my satisfaction, left happy & kept calling me for more of the same. For me this hobby is about pure unadulterated sexual pleasure, not drama, relationships, friendship, ego or any other similar animal. For them it's primarily about money & family, not you. You're a means to an end.
Western787
05-10-14, 18:38
I often wonder how some peoples expecations are so low and they pay so much for it.
I would love to see a picture of this nonkissing superstar. $150 in a third world country for that. Who's is fooling themselves? Should just stay home for that price.Your core assumption is wrong. While the Phillipines, Burma, and Cambodia (all by the way experiencing consistent upward pricing pressure) are in fact 3rd world, Thailand is no longer third world. In fact Bangkok itself is now approaching 1st world level.
People can complain all they want in here about others overpaying, but the market is the market, and they are wasting their breath fighting a tidal wave.
No individual monger or group of mongers in here reading this forum can have any impact on aggregate market prices in a venue that easily is doing 20, 000 plus P4P transactions per day, EXCEPT for himself at the individual level, as next time yes, the girl will generally want the same (excessive) rate.
Your core assumption is wrong. While the Phillipines, Burma, and Cambodia (all by the way experiencing consistent upward pricing pressure) are in fact 3rd world, Thailand is no longer third world. In fact Bangkok itself is now approaching 1st world level.
People can complain all they want in here about others overpaying, but the market is the market, and they are wasting their breath fighting a tidal wave.
No individual monger or group of mongers in here reading this forum can have any impact on aggregate market prices in a venue that easily is doing 20, 000 plus P4P transactions per day, EXCEPT for himself at the individual level, as next time yes, the girl will generally want the same (excessive) rate.Salaries for Thais would not bear you out. Thailand is far from a first world nation. It has some of the window dressing, but it is not a 1st world nation. The only first world nation in SE Asia is Singapore. P4P is getting close to the same cost as the West. Way out of whack. The "market" is out of whack because dudes just pay way too much, and actually get less.
Western787
05-10-14, 19:42
Thanks,
Where are these places?He's trying to give you a few nearby, but in fact you are not near 98% of the soapies, and only Darling on Soi 12 is anywhere near you, if it even exists anymore.
Most soapies are 3 to 8 km north of the city, on Petchaburi Road, Rama 9 (Amsterdam being one), and around Huai Khwang (Ratachada) and all 3 have subway stops, however in practical terms only Ratchada is very easy to navigate from place to place via walking once you get there.
Since you are at Soi 15 you simply have to walk over to the Sukhumvit MRT station (at Terminal 21 Mall) and take the subway (MRT) 4 stops (and 8 minutes) up to Huai Khwang Station in Ratchada. In that general vicinity you will see Alaine, Emmanuelle, Hi Class, Poseidon (toward Susthian Station), Colonze, The Lord, Nataree and others.. One tricky thing for walkers though is at certain times you may need to use the Huai Khwang Station pass through to cross that intersection (diagonally or directly) as otherwise its very difficult.
One of the benefits of having these soapies close to together is that (lets say after 5 pm) one can easily check out inventories, to see what's available or what the papasans say s/b arriving that evening.
Now in theory you can do the (walk and check out) technique down at Petchaburi Road, and Rama 9 but walking place to place to place is far more difficult in those locales.
Two useful references.
http://soapy-massage.com/bangkok-soapy-massage-locations.html
http://bangkoktonite.com/massage/soapy_massage_parlors.shtml
Tits_Lover
05-10-14, 19:54
report for bkk trip, day 1.
landed in bkk in the morning of the first day and went through security without issues, fetched the bag and headed to the
sky train. first a quick stop to the atm and to buy an ais sim card for 7 days (300bht) which allows all data transfer you
need (emails, whatsup etc). all the way to the last station and then bts to asok. short walk into soi 23 and inside
citadines (1200 bht / night). great deal. i was by then quite tired and sweaty. usual nice clean room and crashed on the bed
for a few hours. planned to sleep a bit but didn't manage so i started to contact couple of independent girls from
craiglist. first told me she has her blood period and wanted to meet me later on. the other one agreed to come in couple
of hours. i saw plenty of her pics on cl and seemed legit / real. tiny, sweet 19. agreed on 2 hours with owo and cim
(she said no a) multiple shots for 4000 which is quite steep but i wanted to give a try. usually the reception calls me to
announce the guest but this time i heard the bell at the door and was bit surprised. i opened the door 2 find 2 girls!
the one from the pic was exactly as in the pics, really nice young and sweet. the other one was actually nice as well,
just a tad older. the latter announced she is there to bring fay (teen's name) , collect the money and leave. she also told
me that fay speaks very little english! dang! all bells went off. bad signs! it meant i did sms / email all the time
with the "handler" and not fay. what to do? wise is to switch on the brain and call it off, bad is to accept the deal. my
dick won head down flooding my brain with hormons. big mistake! to make a long story short: i have been cheated as a
rooky (which i am not or at least i though so. some bits of it: she had a gorgeous teen body, small tits, not an ounce
of fat, perfect trimmed little pussy. just a sweet baby doll but. she assumed the egyptian mummy position and showed
all her unexperience and novelty to the p4p game. damn. was fighting with the idea to send her away but my hormons
were coming out from my ears by then. so i gave it a try and managed to get one round with a. almost dead moaning body.
after that my brain kicked in and i told her it was ok to leave and she happily accepted. we couldn't even manage to talk
via a translator, she seemed not understanding (what you guys use? the normal online g translator? or some app?). i was
almost afraid the door would open and the police to arrest me for having sex with an ****. her handler (chita) had
the i'd but she keept saying "i am one nine" which i had to believe.
lesson learned.
did put myself together, showered and got into the street, finally got to meet my great wingman (breadman). we met near
nep, got a quick drink and then headed to gulliver's for a burger (i was starving). we got food and had a chat to know
each other better and start the war planning for the coming days. if i am not mistaken we then headed to sc and went into
shark (baccara was packed and we couldn't get in!). but first we visited crazy house and saw some very nice cuties! nice
ambient, nice atmosphere, i actually liked it although some comments in the forum are not really positive. no one
pestering us from drinks, plenty of cuties grinding naked on some guest's legs. some pussy licking on the stge (guest
to dancer) , etc etc. back to shark where the place looked more empty but with plenty of girls and some nice ones. i hooked
up with one dancing (her name is also one) and showing a very nice (fake) rack but of a good measure. i liked the way she
was flirting with me while dancing, showing that minimum level of interest which i need to have before taking someone. we
started to talk and we were all over each other. done deal and back to the hotel (5 min walk, excellent location). if i am
not mistaken she was 2500 for st which seems becoming the standard (2-3000 for st). back in the room we had great sex. she
was claiming she can't give bbbj due to her braces (what's the issue? it seems most of these girls wear them!) but i
told her to try and she obliged. mounted her and grabbing her head i managed to fuck her face for a while, not too deep.
she was very much into it, she started to panic at my size and she said it is too big. yeah. nice to hear but well.
enjoy the ride. we went through all positions, she were moaning and grinding and jumping and all. a good hour of nice
action. she was then wasted and claimed she cannot go on anymore and that her pussy was sore. i believed her and let
her go.
nice start for the 1st day in bkk. .
btw: no worries in suk area about protesters (saw none) and baccara in sc has one floor open only (upper one will open on
june 1st)
will post some pics later on.
Western787
05-10-14, 20:04
Salaries for Thais would not bear you out. Thailand is far from a first world nation. It has some of the window dressing, but it is not a 1st world nation. The only first world nation in SE Asia is Singapore. P4P is getting close to the same cost as the West. Way out of whack. The "market" is out of whack because dudes just pay way too much, and actually get less.Nobody said Thailand was 1st world, nor did I say Bangkok currently IS fully 1st world. My point they are not NOT third world anymore and vastly different from many other southeast asia destinations.
Ok so the market is out of whack? Because dudes just pay too much? So its all demand side? That is absurd as (slow but steady over the past 10 to 15 years) of increasing prosperity and affluence certainly has impacted provider attitudes and pricing.
Even if you could get every Farang visiting Bangkok to take a course entitled "How to lowball hookers and keep prices down for everyone", what are you going to do about the Japs? : What are you going to do about wealthy Thais and others skimming girls off the regular P4P market girls and setting then up in apartments?
What are going to do about instant global communications, when the hot Go Go girl on stage gets a text from some monger 5000 miles away who is flying in tomorrow ready to pay big bucks?
Some guys overpay because they are idiots, but others have logical reasons to overpay, but it all in the context of what is occurring in the market.
Many of the remaining hot Go Go and bar girls are all the time obviously weighing (if not directly then subconsciously) the cost vs benefit of doing what they are currently doing vs going into the private mistress market vs getting a regular job, or whatever and they will price or attempt to price according to the best information they have on a day to day basis
Look at the Coyote trend which is the beginning of the end for what was essentially flat pricing for Go Go Girls, (hot girls in effect pretty much the same prices or relatively close to what average girls cost). Soon the Coyote and regular Go Go girl concept wil merge, and hotter girls WILL in fact be priced far more. Y9u think overpaying dudes caused the Coyote trend also. Obviously increasing affluence has caused many changes having nothing to do with dudes overpaying
Even if you could get every Farang visiting Bangkok to take a course entitled "How to lowball hookers and keep prices down for everyone", what are you going to do about the Japs? : What are you going to do about wealthy Thais and others skimming girls off the regular P4P market girls and setting then up in apartments?
What are going to do about instant global communications, when the hot Go Go girl on stage gets a text from some monger 5000 miles away who is flying in tomorrow ready to pay big bucks?
Some guys overpay because they are idiots, but others have logical reasons to overpay, but it all in the context of what is occurring in the market.Fair enough and I am fully aware that you can't win on the price policy but what I think is that a farang who reads this forum should have learnt something and this includes also a fair price (and I do not mean the 700b. For a 2-hr ST and still water at 7-11 as LD).
You can't surely teach everyone how to spend wisely and not to overspend. But what's the point of writing down prices here to INFORM people if then people tends to ignore and comapres with prices at home and proud of doing so?
Lete us at least highlight, with no offence and no flaming, that that price is not in line. Then it is his money and his choice.
Oterwise the enxt new reader will read such a report and do not do a proper RTFF and will thjink that is the correct price as anyhow cheaper than home.
Your core assumption is wrong. While the Phillipines, Burma, and Cambodia (all by the way experiencing consistent upward pricing pressure) are in fact 3rd world, Thailand is no longer third world. In fact Bangkok itself is now approaching 1st world level.
People can complain all they want in here about others overpaying, but the market is the market, and they are wasting their breath fighting a tidal wave.
No individual monger or group of mongers in here reading this forum can have any impact on aggregate market prices in a venue that easily is doing 20, 000 plus P4P transactions per day, EXCEPT for himself at the individual level, as next time yes, the girl will generally want the same (excessive) rate.Weather you think Bankok is 1st world or 3rd world, when the girl ask for 2000 and you give her 5000 and she wouldn't even kiss you and is gone in an hour, there is a problem. It is called overpaying for poor service. That is a problem anywhere.
Huh? You want her to work forever in this job in order for her to retire? Feel bad that one has a mindset like you.My point was different. But no need to elaborate further. I believe you are discussing your salary with your employer with the same approach she has.
Weather you think Bankok is 1st world or 3rd world, when the girl ask for 2000 and you give her 5000 and she wouldn't even kiss you and is gone in an hour, there is a problem. It is called overpaying for poor service. That is a problem anywhere.Agree. And not to make a big deal.
Thailand is still Third World, technically that is. For those who don't know, First World was always the major economic powers, second world was the old Soviet Block countries, and everything else was third world. I get the point of the discussion, and don't want to flame anyone, just saying. The world doesn't look at it like this anymore. They discuss in terms of G8 (now G7) and Emerging markets, etc. Thailand is an emerging market I would classify now.
I love Thailand and have been going for almost 3 decades and it has come a long way.
Nobody said Thailand was 1st world, nor did I say Bangkok currently IS fully 1st world. My point they are not NOT third world anymore and vastly different from many other southeast asia destinations.
Ok so the market is out of whack? Because dudes just pay too much? So its all demand side? That is absurd as (slow but steady over the past 10 to 15 years) of increasing prosperity and affluence certainly has impacted provider attitudes and pricing.
Even if you could get every Farang visiting Bangkok to take a course entitled "How to lowball hookers and keep prices down for everyone", what are you going to do about the Japs? : What are you going to do about wealthy Thais and others skimming girls off the regular P4P market girls and setting then up in apartments?
What are going to do about instant global communications, when the hot Go Go girl on stage gets a text from some monger 5000 miles away who is flying in tomorrow ready to pay big bucks?
Some guys overpay because they are idiots, but others have logical reasons to overpay, but it all in the context of what is occurring in the market.
Many of the remaining hot Go Go and bar girls are all the time obviously weighing (if not directly then subconsciously) the cost vs benefit of doing what they are currently doing vs going into the private mistress market vs getting a regular job, or whatever and they will price or attempt to price according to the best information they have on a day to day basis.
Look at the Coyote trend which is the beginning of the end for what was essentially flat pricing for Go Go Girls, (hot girls in effect pretty much the same prices or relatively close to what average girls cost). Soon the Coyote and regular Go Go girl concept wil merge, and hotter girls WILL in fact be priced far more. Y9u think overpaying dudes caused the Coyote trend also. Obviously increasing affluence has caused many changes having nothing to do with dudes overpayingThat Japs have always had a separate market. Current Thermae is the perfect example.
For a hot well performing gal I can certainly see your point. However, gals most of us would not touch with a 10 foot pole are asking big bucks. Paying Ferrari prices for a Ferrari is one thing. Paying those same or similar prices for a 10 year old Honda City is another.
The coyote trend is amazingly alarming. It has basically ended the concept of the GoGo bar. I don't think the coyote and Go Go concept wil merge. Blame the Iranian American for that one. It was his attempt to simply coax more people into his bars. Sadly gals can now make money in a Go Go and not go with customers.
In the end any market is demand driven. No demand no market. We are seeing the end game of the supply side non-sense in the US right now.
I do agree more than anything else economic development has effected the P4P industry in LOS.
There is really no logical reason to "overpay." Even in the Ferrari dealership, if a dude goes in and asks the price, he will not say,"Well, how about I give you double?" Men have always been idiots when it comes to poon. Most of us realize that we have a bit more "say" when we come to Thailand. Sadly, the "new breed" has decided not to take advantage of that say.
Fair enough and I am fully aware that you can't win on the price policy but what I think is that a farang who reads this forum should have learnt something and this includes also a fair price (and I do not mean the 700b. For a 2-hr ST and still water at 7-11 as LD).
You can't surely teach everyone how to spend wisely and not to overspend. But what's the point of writing down prices here to INFORM people if then people tends to ignore and comapres with prices at home and proud of doing so?
Lete us at least highlight, with no offence and no flaming, that that price is not in line. Then it is his money and his choice.
Oterwise the enxt new reader will read such a report and do not do a proper RTFF and will thjink that is the correct price as anyhow cheaper than home.Very well stated. Comparing what you pay at "home" is just not valid. It means nothing here. In the US a good craft beer at a bar is about 5 bucks. Here it is 10.
That Japs have always had a separate market. Current Thermae is the perfect example.
For a hot well performing gal I can certainly see your point. However, gals most of us would not touch with a 10 foot pole are asking big bucks. Paying Ferrari prices for a Ferrari is one thing. Paying those same or similar prices for a 10 year old Honda City is another.
The coyote trend is amazingly alarming. It has basically ended the concept of the GoGo bar. I don't think the coyote and Go Go concept wil merge. Blame the Iranian American for that one. It was his attempt to simply coax more people into his bars. Sadly gals can now make money in a Go Go and not go with customers.
In the end any market is demand driven. No demand no market. We are seeing the end game of the supply side non-sense in the US right now.
I do agree more than anything else economic development has effected the P4P industry in LOS.
There is really no logical reason to "overpay." Even in the Ferrari dealership, if a dude goes in and asks the price, he will not say,"Well, how about I give you double?" Men have always been idiots when it comes to poon. Most of us realize that we have a bit more "say" when we come to Thailand. Sadly, the "new breed" has decided not to take advantage of that say.I'm pretty much in agreement. And yes, the market seems "out of whack."
People have a tendency to try to fine one "culprit" as the cause of a problem. The Japs are too free-spending. Idiots pay too much. Yes, those are all issues. But I wonder if other things are at play here.
First, the laws of supply and demand are immutable. I think the supply of pretty, and willing, damsels is far smaller than it used to be. The Thai birth rate is proof of that. (It's a damned shame that the best looking ladies at NEP these days aren't!) I think the supply of "sex tourists" is still pretty high, as Thailand is still famous as a P4P destination. So, prices are bound to rise even as overall quality falls.
Next, the "new generation" of guys coming to LOS are so unbelievably pussy-whipped by feminism that it's scary. They will put up with an unbelievable amount of shit from a woman. Generally speaking, if the guy is weak the girl will walk all over him. Ten years ago, can you imagine watching some guy and bar girl scamper out of the bar, off to the ST hotel, and then she's back, $100 richer, in 30 minutes? Nobody would've put up with that. Now, if some guy won't put up with a bar girl's shit, there are 10 more behind him who will, who won't complain, and who will pay through nose for the privilege."Gee, it's a lot cheaper than back home."
Then, of course, you have the 2-week millionaires who will pay any price because it's their vacation. Not much you can do about that, but I wonder if they are the main problem. It may not be an issue (yet) in Farang Gulch, but the Chinese are running around with money falling out of their asses. If anybody's pushing up prices (at least outside of BKK) it's got to be them.
It seems to me that this witch's brew has yielded the results we see in BKK today. One poster is irritated that his $150 / hr date won't kiss. Another poor bastard had a nice time at $100 / hr. Dayum! These at or above Tijuana prices! There a pretty lady will come to your hotel for between $60 and $100 for a minimum of an hour. Even the girls in the gringo-centric go-go bars can easily be had for $80 to $100 for an hour, and no bar fine. The entire scene isn't an apples-to-apples comparison, but obviously BKK is no longer the bargain it once was.
So, I guess the days of sanuk for sanuk's sake are over? Gone are the days when ST was 2 or 3 hours, LT was actually preferred by many girls, and GFE was GFE in every sense of the word. Now it seems these ladies have been replaced by clock-watching mercenaries. In a place where 60, 000 baht per month is a reasonably decent income. 3,000. 4,000 per HOUR is idiotic, IMHO. The scene has changed. The ship has sailed and it's not coming back. So, we adapt. I think the anachronistic go-go concept is dying. I'm unconvinced that a multi-tiered pricing approach will work, but I don't care. I, and others, have moved on to more "traditional" entertainment, like oilies, soapies, free-lancers, etc.
Paul Kausch
05-11-14, 06:35
Last time I was in town I brought a nice toy with me. Unfortunately Cheer over at Bamboo was more than it could handle. It succumbed to cardiac arrest. A battery transplant could not revive it. This forced me to look for a replacement toy. To my dismay all I could find were a few cheap vibrators and dildos in a couple of the sidewalk stalls.
This prompts a few questions.
1. Did I miss something? Is there a sex toy super store anywhere in the mongering district, or elsewhere in Bangkok?
2. If there isn't, does anyone have any thoughts on why there is this glaring retail gap in the sex capital of the world?
Any thoughts or speculations, intelligent or otherwise, would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
That Japs have always had a separate market. Current Thermae is the perfect example.Fully agreeing, must as the wealthy thai have their own locations.
The fact there is a Market for up scale prices doesn't mean a girl from nana car Park has to get the same as the circumstances are totally different. Otherwise an Ibis (offering, bed, shower, a bar downstairs, free Internet) should be entitled to ask for the same price as JW Marriott (offering bed, Schwaier, bar downstairs, paid internet).
The coma prison with back home should be an incentive "to spend less" as the rate is cheaper.
Apart the holiday atmosphere, why should I pay a girl in BKK (where we do know prices are different) same as back home.
It is not same as back home because you need to add the air ticket and the hotel.
Of course I do not calculate this in what I spend for mongering, but I am expecting to pay much less, ie a decent price for the locals.
I do not want to keep this people or area of the work under the stick so they cannot aspire to more income. But I am pretty sure that in a country where an average salary for office people is between 10 and 15k baht, a girl earning 30k (1 ST per day at 1/1. 5k each) is fair for all parities.
With all due respect man, you are the customer. Its your show, not hers. Words like "allowing." "consenting," "couldn't get her to kiss," and "I'll bet she makes the short walk over with me" make it sound like the customer is being dictated to.Geez! She just had to tell him how big his cock was and "embarrassingly" admit to "coming a few times during the 90 minute session". Some guys just want to be flattered.
Wolvenvacht
05-11-14, 08:49
Short walk into Soi 23 and inside Citadines (1200 BHT / night). GREAT deal.That is really a good deal! Where did you get it? The normal price is almost double.
Usually the reception calls me to announce the guest but this time I heard the bell at the door and was bit surprised.To use the elevator you need a key card. I wonder how they got in. They could have used the stairs but it is not obvious where the stairs are. Also, did you tell them at which room you stayed?
I would have a word with management about this. It is one thing to allow a guest to bring unregistered guests, but a whole other thing to have staff actively allow unaccompanied ladies go up to your room and even bypass the use of a room key to operate the elevator.
Wolvenvacht
05-11-14, 08:56
Thailand is still Third World, technically that is. For those who don't know, First World was always the major economic powers, second world was the old Soviet Block countries, and everything else was third world.There has never been a"first world" or "second world". We have had the "Old World", meaning Europe and the "New World", meaning the Americas (North AND South). Then much much later, the do-gooders and NGO's coined the word "Third World" for everything else, which at that time was indeed the less economically developed part of our world.
And now we even have a "Fourth World", being the poor in the Old and New World.
Next, the "new generation" of guys coming to LOS are so unbelievably pussy-whipped by feminism that it's scary. They will put up with an unbelievable amount of shit from a woman. Generally speaking, if the guy is weak the girl will walk all over him. Ten years ago, can you imagine watching some guy and bar girl scamper out of the bar, off to the ST hotel, and then she's back, $100 richer, in 30 minutes? Nobody would've put up with that. Now, if some guy won't put up with a bar girl's shit, there are 10 more behind him who will, who won't complain, and who will pay through nose for the privilege."Gee, it's a lot cheaper than back home."
These at or above Tijuana prices! There a pretty lady will come to your hotel for between $60 and $100 for a minimum of an hour. Even the girls in the gringo-centric go-go bars can easily be had for $80 to $100 for an hour, and no bar fine. The entire scene isn't an apples-to-apples comparison, but obviously BKK is no longer the bargain it once was.
So, I guess the days of sanuk for sanuk's sake are over? Gone are the days when ST was 2 or 3 hours, LT was actually preferred by many girls, and GFE was GFE in every sense of the word. Now it seems these ladies have been replaced by clock-watching mercenaries. In a place where 60, 000 baht per month is a reasonably decent income. 3,000. 4,000 per HOUR is idiotic, IMHO. The scene has changed. The ship has sailed and it's not coming back. So, we adapt. I think the anachronistic go-go concept is dying. I'm unconvinced that a multi-tiered pricing approach will work, but I don't care. I, and others, have moved on to more "traditional" entertainment, like oilies, soapies, free-lancers, etc.Could not agree with you more on all these points. The first really jumping out at me when I went back and read the 150 USD no kiss dude's post. Mongers 15 years ago would not have put up with that. The gal would never get any biz. Now the inmates are running the asylum.
When I came to BKK P4P prices were half of what they were in any Mexican border town and the service was great. Now it is more and the service is quite lacking for the most part. 3 to 4 k an hour for an uneducated gal that has finished 6th grade who can rent her wet spot is nuts. We are not talking about a high class call girl with a bag of tricks that can make your toes curl. We are talking about the equivalent of a West Virginia hillbilly who just happens to be thin and have all her teeth. Now as you said, that was fine as long as it was fun and the price was right. One's expectations were not that high. But at US 150, hey I expect a lot more. For that money I would expect a highly developed skill set, the ability to seduce (which is really lacking here) , etc. Example, gal goes into the shower, comes out in a very sexy neglige and crawls across the room to me. 150 for a clock watching wham bam? Hell, I will stay home and whittle my own puppet.
At least for awhile we still have the oilies where service is still pretty good. Of course that is changing as well with some places being CBJ only.
We had a great thing here for a long time. BKK was a monger's paradise from the Vietnam War till a few years ago. A really good run. I am really grateful that I caught the tail end of the Golden Age here and in Cambo. It was more fun than you can imagine. Today pales in comparison on so many levels.
BTW. 60k baht a month is beyond reasonable income in Thailand. I know quite a few Thais who hold advanced degrees and have 10 years exp who make that.
Last time I was in town I brought a nice toy with me. Unfortunately Cheer over at Bamboo was more than it could handle. It succumbed to cardiac arrest. A battery transplant could not revive it. This forced me to look for a replacement toy. To my dismay all I could find were a few cheap vibrators and dildos in a couple of the sidewalk stalls.
This prompts a few questions.
1. Did I miss something? Is there a sex toy super store anywhere in the mongering district, or elsewhere in Bangkok?
2. If there isn't, does anyone have any thoughts on why there is this glaring retail gap in the sex capital of the world?
Any thoughts or speculations, intelligent or otherwise, would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.Selling of sex toys is illegal in Thailand. But you can find them on Suk.
Tits_Lover
05-11-14, 11:59
That is really a good deal! Where did you get it? The normal price is almost double.Yeah, great deal. 30% discount. An other fellow member gave me the tip in the hotel forum area. THE ASCOTT gives 30% discount if you register to their home page for some 30years celebration thing. It worked well.
To use the elevator you need a key card. I wonder how they got in. They could have used the stairs but it is not obvious where the stairs are. Also, did you tell them at which room you stayed?I just told them the room number as you would do usually. Need to ask the management.
Thanks
Western787
05-11-14, 13:36
In regard to the always present and ongoing issue of great beauties being skimmed off the market for private harems by procurers or spotters barely days or weeks after starting in G Clubs, massage parlors, bars, agencies, or wherever, (though the extreme case to the larger trend) this guy and his brother might be among the clients. Personally its possible some girls are being skimmed off BEFORE their first day working P4P (or G club equivalent) and before any normal monger even lays eyes on them, and generous commissions are going to the finders. Perhaps the spotters test them out personally first.
As an eyewitness states "Most of the girls" are "Filipino or Thai"
Of course there is no way to know precisely the quality of girls these guys are skimming off, but the mere fact an ex Miss USA was part of the harem tells us these guys are likely dealing at the top end of the market
http://nypost.com/2014/05/10/inside-the-wacky-sex-obsessed-world-of-brunei/
Western787
05-11-14, 14:01
Weather you think Bankok is 1st world or 3rd world, when the girl ask for 2000 and you give her 5000 and she wouldn't even kiss you and is gone in an hour, there is a problem. It is called overpaying for poor service. That is a problem anywhere.Read it carefully, the parties agreed ahead of time if the session went over one hour, she would be likely be paid in excess of the 2000, and the GBaron apparently kept his promise.
Quoting GBaron "on stage was #66, Kip. Who was exactly what I wanted. Mamasan asked me what I wanted, I said a beer and pointed at Kip. She also wanted me to buy her (Mamasan) a drink. I declined that. She asked if I wanted a room, and I asked if I could take her back to the JW. OK. I asked about long time, and she said the girl doesn't do long times. Still, it was getting late (probably 12:45) and I knew I was only going to get one pop. And even that wasn't a guarantee based on my earlier undisciplined actions. Kip came over, I asked her if she would go to the JW. She said. 600 for bar fine and 2000 for her for short time. Reiterating that she didn't do long times. She said if it takes more than 1 hour, I could give extra, depending on how."
There is an overpay issue here, but I commend the OP for describing the transaction as it occurred, as he easily could have glossed over the issue to avoid the wrath of the Overpay Police in here. Plus the girl apparently didn't normally do Farangs, so perhaps he cleared the way for others.
The girl probably has a boyfriend whom she is in love with (which she pretends is her "Mom") and that could be part of the kissing issue. However at those prices, particularly the 2nd time when the girl knows the pay scale, I would think she might add some kissing because it does make things much more natural. With sex w / o kissing you really can't get into the fantasy IMHO because you are being reminded every second that its 100% P4P. However, some girls just don't kiss, and the OP believes he got his money's worth.
Providers who can work the FS business while simultaneously being in love with a real life boyfriend is something not very common in the west, so IMHO we should deem it a plus these girls are still in the business.
Western787
05-11-14, 14:30
Thailand is not currently among those countries generally deemed "third world" and this is because birth rates are now low, vaccinations are given, low unemployment, not dependent per se on other states, and poverty to the degree it exists is generally not of the grinding and hopeless variety (with some variation by geographic region) and in fact the food supply is being generated internally and is plentiful, with a strong export market, including food and other goods.
20 years ago? Yes, third world, in 2014? No, and even the (declining) provider market itself reflects that as other options now abound for young women.
Anyone the doesn't notice the connection being increasing affluence and the declining P4P sector, has their eyes shut
Among the sources to confirm this http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world.htm
Thailand is not currently among those countries generally deemed "third world" and this is because birth rates are now low, vaccinations are given, low unemployment, not dependent per se on other states, and poverty to the degree it exists is generally not of the grinding and hopeless variety (with some variation by geographic region) and in fact the food supply is being generated internally and is plentiful, with a strong export market, including food and other goods.
20 years ago? Yes, third world, in 2014? No, and even the (declining) provider market itself reflects that as other options now abound for young women.
Anyone the doesn't notice the connection being increasing affluence and the declining P4P sector, has their eyes shut.
Among the sources to confirm this http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world.htmOh, I agree with you. There are fewer gals because there are more choices. This has led to providers being the bottom of the barrel. There are far fewer "semi-pros" these days. Back in the day I was a Thermae rat. Was there about 4 nights a week and my bread and butter was office workers out to supplement their income. Most would work three or four nights a month and they had the luxury of choosing a dude that appealed to them. Sex was usually great and 1k baht. Several times gals drove me to ST rooms in their cars. Office workers make enough money now. They don't have to supplement.
Even if the political unrest leads to a bit of a crash, it will not reverse this trend. The Golden Age is over.
Western787
05-11-14, 15:27
That Japs have always had a separate market. Current Thermae is the perfect example.Thermae is an exception and even there its not literally a separate market.
Thermae represents only 1/1000th of the Bangkok P4P market and while its dominated by Japanese, its possible a farang monger with a small dick and big wallet could probably compete with a lot of the Japanese mongers in there so long as he was discreet about meeting up with her, in case there is a need to save face among her friends. And that's only in regard to certain super cuties, sometimes numbering less than 10 or so in there at a time, if even that. Other fairly hot girls are going with Farang in there on a fairly regular basis. Yes, most get shot down if they pick the wrong girls, but the persistent guys (all ages in fact) dig up girls mostly toward the right side or ones hanging in the middle.
In other venues the Japs and Farangs are in direct competition, with Rainbow 4 and similar clubs just the tip of the iceberg. So the markets are not separate at all but intertwined, and Japanese mongers obviously influencing what Farangs end up paying.
Western787
05-11-14, 15:44
Thailand's P4P decline is consistent with reports from other southeast asia locales for the most part, including Vietnam, Cambodia. Phillipines, and Burma among other areas.
On a worldwide basis obviously Kiev is in a war situation, so that's out but beyond that while individual reports can be positive, the P4P reports worldwide generally seem to be reporting (in macro P4P terms) markets in decline, the only exception I've noticed recently is "Cuba Dave" who has had some positive reports on San Jose, Costal Rica which he sees as improving, and note he basically recently had to abandon his core area Sosua (DR) beause the cruise industry (soon to be coming into nearby Puerto Plata) was to a large extent attempting to harass and limit the P4P industry in that venue
Paul Kausch
05-11-14, 15:48
Selling of sex toys is illegal in Thailand. But you can find them on Suk.Well, that would certainly explain it. Thanks
Thermae is an exception and even there its not literally a separate market.
Thermae represents only 1/1000th of the Bangkok P4P market and while its dominated by Japanese, its possible a farang monger with a small dick and big wallet could probably compete with a lot of the Japanese mongers in there so long as he was discreet about meeting up with her, in case there is a need to save face among her friends. And that's only in regard to certain super cuties, sometimes numbering less than 10 or so in there at a time, if even that. Other fairly hot girls are going with Farang in there on a fairly regular basis. Yes, most get shot down if they pick the wrong girls, but the persistent guys (all ages in fact) dig up girls mostly toward the right side or ones hanging in the middle.
In other venues the Japs and Farangs are in direct competition, with Rainbow 4 and similar clubs just the tip of the iceberg. So the markets are not separate at all but intertwined, and Japanese mongers obviously influencing what Farangs end up paying.Pre-2001 you never saw Japanese dudes in Thermae. It was great fun up until about 08. Took probably 250 plus gals out of there.
Who the hell wants to be treated with contempt and disrespect by a P4P gal? Certainly not me. That is why I stay out of Thermae these days.
I would say that there are and will be more and more Asian mongers in BKK and Westerners will be fewer and fewer. Japs have always paid more. It is not within their culture to bargain on price. There have always been gals who prefer the Japs and those that prefer Western dudes. A few crossover, but very few.
Thailand is not currently among those countries generally deemed "third world" and this is because birth rates are now low, vaccinations are given, low unemployment, not dependent per se on other states, and poverty to the degree it exists is generally not of the grinding and hopeless variety (with some variation by geographic region) and in fact the food supply is being generated internally and is plentiful, with a strong export market, including food and other goods.
20 years ago? Yes, third world, in 2014? No, and even the (declining) provider market itself reflects that as other options now abound for young women.
Anyone the doesn't notice the connection being increasing affluence and the declining P4P sector, has their eyes shut.
Among the sources to confirm this http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world.htmOne thing that sets Thailand apart is no one every goes hungry here. Never has to my knowledge been a famine.
The population pyramid inverted in 97 in Thailand.
Tony Hoeprano
05-11-14, 16:52
I would say that there are and will be more and more Asian mongers in BKK and Westerners will be fewer and fewer. Japs have always paid more. It is not within their culture to bargain on price. There have always been gals who prefer the Japs and those that prefer Western dudes. A few crossover, but very few.Texas Rangers paid $57 million to Hokkaido just for the rights to sign Yu Darvish with only 30 days to sign him or he'd return to Japan. Mashahiro Tanaka signed for 7 years $155 million with the Yankees. Yep, bargaining isn't in their culture
Heard that Cm2 disco was close. Anybody can confirm this?
For years this was one of the best place to pickup Russian, and Cis ladies.
Well if that rumor is true, so where the girls will hang out at night as from 10:30 pm.
FruitNinja
05-11-14, 20:12
I asked a local:
"a friend was asking about protests. Anything around Sukhamvit?"
"Nothing at all mate. There was a rally at Lumpini park on Friday but nothing round this way."
Should I carry my passport on me at all times?
Should I bring freelancers to my hotels, or is that generally an unsafe thing to do?
Also putting valuables in the hotel safe. Whats stopping the hotel employees from stealing or giving the stuff to someone else?
What type of cell phones do you guys use when you're there. I have a galaxy s3, thats not too flashy is it. I mean its common in the US.
Short Time is generally two hours. So how do I negotiate for 30min to 1hr. Or is that frowned upon?
Western787
05-11-14, 21:24
Heard that Cm2 disco was close. Anybody can confirm this?
For years this was one of the best place to pickup Russian, and Cis ladies.
Well if that rumor is true, so where the girls will hang out at night as from 10:30 pm.Closed a number of months ago. Check the outdoor seating at Subway on Soi 7/1 late evenings for an old Russian hooker that calls out to passerbys
Western787
05-11-14, 21:31
Who the hell wants to be treated with contempt and disrespect by a P4P gal? Certainly not me. That is why I stay out of Thermae these days.If you think about it, its not exactly "contempt and disrespect" for a Thai girl to turn Farangs down for presumptively having a large dick. Its more like fear of the unknown.
Closed a number of months ago. Check the outdoor seating at Subway on Soi 7/1 late evenings for an old Russian hooker that calls out to passerbysThanks for info, I know that after 1 am all the girls move to Mixx Disco from cm2 but fro 10:30 to 1 am is there any other disco they hang out.
If you think about it, its not exactly "contempt and disrespect" for a Thai girl to turn Farangs down for presumptively having a large dick. Its more like fear of the unknown.The problems is the economics not racism or big dicks. As long as you pay they don't care about how big your dick is, some of them are used to bigger toys. I took 4 ladies from Thermae in the last month without any problem but offering high price (and my dick is not big!). The performances were very good, at least for me."More money, more honey".
next, the "new generation" of guys coming to los are so unbelievably pussy-whipped by feminism that it's scary. they will put up with an unbelievable amount of shit from a woman. generally speaking, if the guy is weak the girl will walk all over him.ever have one of those moments where you read something and use that information the very next day? i remember reading this and it made sense to me, filed it away somewhere in my brain. then i barfine a girl last night and tell her to give me some bj, she does for 30 seconds and says 'there'. then this report comes back to the front of my brain so i just said "give me more" and she tried saying she didn't like doing it to which i said something along the lines of "but you do it so well and just pointed at my dick" and she went right back to it. i then get up to grab a condom and she's just lying there so i point again to my dick as i'm opening the package and she crawls right over and starts sucking. she then started complaining about the time after a condom change to which i said something like "i want to fuck" and she shut up her complaints. i then had her blow me after the fucking, pulled off the condom and she made a face but i just pointed and she went right to work. at no point did it feel like i was forcing her by pulling her head down or being physical, i just made it be known that this is what i wanted. when she was all ready to go i said i'd come by the bar the next day to see her and she was very excited. a white lie since i'll be heading down to pattaya today but just wanted to see her reaction.
question: im still new to the bangkok scene but have noticed some good looking ladies rep001tered around on sukhumvit (not the obvious girls by nana). im assuming they are p4p girls, if i was just in the hunt for sex and not spending some time watching the girls in the gogo's id give them a better look. whats the going rate for these girls standing around in front of nana or around that area?
Should I carry my passport on me at all times?
Should I bring freelancers to my hotels, or is that generally an unsafe thing to do?
Also putting valuables in the hotel safe. Whats stopping the hotel employees from stealing or giving the stuff to someone else?
What type of cell phones do you guys use when you're there. I have a galaxy s3, thats not too flashy is it. I mean its common in the US.
Short Time is generally two hours. So how do I negotiate for 30min to 1hr. Or is that frowned upon?1) Ok to bring freelancers to your hotel. Keep your valuables locked in the safe at all times. Always.
2) Pray the hotel employees are honest. Things happen but in general there are very few reports of theft from your locked in-room safe here.
3) I used my S4 a few months ago. Don't worry about using your S3. If you are with ATT or T-Mobile get it unlocked before your trip and buy a Thai SIM card in BKK. Good for calling the USA and using it in BKK / Pattaya as well. Many of the girls will have a better phone than you.
4). ST has changed over the years and is getting shorter and shorter. Most are 1-1. 5 hours now. Nana Plaza and Cowboy have ST hotels. If you use them you will be done in 30 minutes to 1 hour.
J Martinez
05-12-14, 04:08
Should I carry my passport on me at all times?No.
Should I bring freelancers to my hotels, or is that generally an unsafe thing to do?Some yes, some no. Thais are generally trustworthy. But use your best judgement.
Also putting valuables in the hotel safe. Whats stopping the hotel employees from stealing or giving the stuff to someone else?Nothing. A gamble everywhere.
What type of cell phones do you guys use when you're there. I have a galaxy s3, thats not too flashy is it. I mean its common in the US.Thai ladies have very nice phones. All are open to theft. Stay alert!
Short Time is generally two hours. So how do I negotiate for 30min to 1hr. Or is that frowned upon?ST is "up to 2 hours". When you're finished, say goodbye.
Crazy4Thai
05-12-14, 04:18
Selling of sex toys is illegal in Thailand. But you can find them on Suk.I'l tag onto the OP's question. I understand there are wholesalers of sex toys in Chinatown. Has anyone shopped there? Does anyone know where in Chinatown?
Western787
05-12-14, 05:04
Thanks for info, I know that after 1 am all the girls move to Mixx Disco from cm2 but fro 10:30 to 1 am is there any other disco they hang out.Climax under the Ambassador seems to draw some, but Skogis is the guy with the true expertise in regard to the Hi So club circuit
Western787
05-12-14, 05:11
Should I carry my passport on me at all times?Always have a full color COPY with you, and your original safely hidden in your hotel room.
The risk of losing your original passport (you are basically screwed if you lose it) is so severe, its usually greater than the problems presented of not having your original passport on you should LE stop you for something.
Right near Soi 7 there is Kodak shop and the guy will make a nice color copy of your passport and all the latest pages, and it doesn't cost much either
Western787
05-12-14, 05:16
question: im still new to the bangkok scene but have noticed some good looking ladies rep001tered around on sukhumvit (not the obvious girls by nana). im assuming they are p4p girls, if i was just in the hunt for sex and not spending some time watching the girls in the gogo's id give them a better look. whats the going rate for these girls standing around in front of nana or around that area?1500 bahts is the standard, however 2nd time (repeating) with same girl on another day, they sometimes will offer it for 1000 bahts since you by then are a known commodity. some guys also offer 700 baht, get turned down, but then request the girl contact them later that night if they are interested, and apparently some do call.
you can offer 1000 for starters and perhaps get it for 1200, but some will and some won't
starting later afternoon toward early evenings there is actually a line of freelancers working all the way from in the vicinity of the parking lot in front of strikers sports bar on soi 4 all the way to thermae which is between soi 13 and soi 15. even in the morning there are girls waiting between soi 3 and soi 5.
If you think about it, its not exactly "contempt and disrespect" for a Thai girl to turn Farangs down for presumptively having a large dick. Its more like fear of the unknown.Nope, its contempt and disrespect. I have seen gals in Thermae roll their eyes, look away, and just ignore white dudes in Thermae. Even seen some scowl. Hey, it is their choice about who to go with, but the impolite crap, nah. That kind of treatment is very disrespectful here.
Paul Kausch
05-12-14, 06:57
Nope, its contempt and disrespect. I have seen gals in Thermae roll their eyes, look away, and just ignore white dudes in Thermae. Even seen some scowl. Hey, it is their choice about who to go with, but the impolite crap, nah. That kind of treatment is very disrespectful here.And it is particularly uncalled for considering the polite, respectful way all farangs treat WGs.
1500 bahts is the standard, however 2nd time (repeating) with same girl on another day, they sometimes will offer it for 1000 bahts since you by then are a known commodity. Some guys also offer 700 baht, get turned down, but then request the girl contact them later that night if they are interested, and apparently some do call.
You can offer 1000 for starters and perhaps get it for 1200, but some will and some won't.
Starting later afternoon toward early evenings there is actually a line of freelancers working all the way from in the vicinity of the parking lot in front of Strikers Sports Bar on Soi 4 all the way to Thermae which is between Soi 13 and Soi 15. Even in the morning there are girls waiting between Soi 3 and Soi 5.Is 1500B really the standard? In the last couple of months I was quoted 700B by an older woman (40 and 6/10 but sweet and very horny) .1000B by 3 good looking young girls (early 20s and 7/10) and 1200B by 1 good looking young girl (23, 7/10).
That last one is them and she's very recommendable. She works in the afternoons until early in the evening between soi 3 and 5. If you spot a cute looking girl with a very big smile on her face (and I mean BIG; she must be the reason they call Thailand the land of smiles) then that's her. Very nice girl.
And it is particularly uncalled for considering the polite, respectful way all farangs treat WGs.Paul, almost every time I am in Tmae, which is rare these days, I see a smiling farang approach a gal and get met with a scowl or just completely ignored. Completely uncalled for.
Western787
05-12-14, 07:37
I have seen gals in Thermae roll their eyes, look away, and just ignore white dudes in Thermae.You mean they treat Farangs just like a young hottie would treat a 20 plus years older guy in a real (non P4P) bar, well that's why popcorn is sold cheap, to enjoy the entertainment watching customers (who most likely have flown across the world) get shot down and embarassed and flustered trying to comprehend why a girl standing in one spot for often 3 hours won't accept OTC.
Apparently these Japs are sometimes taking these girls for multi day arrangements of some type, and that's why these girls are so patient. Note in some instances by 1 AM (an hour before approximate close) certain remaining hotties will just walk out preemptively rather than just wait to the very end, apparently to try it again another night.
Any guy doing even a cursory bit of homework on this joint before getting there, is going to get the deal. Or can quickly get the scene when arriving.
Thais have long held Japanese culture and teen idols and celebrities in great awe, thus explaining why some Thermae girls get so giddy once an acceptable Japanese guy selects them, as its often some kind of teen dream thing. There is far more going on here than the 3 3 3 or 3 4 5 rules or whatever, so at least with the super cuties Farangs will have difficulty competing.
If you think about it, its not exactly "contempt and disrespect" for a Thai girl to turn Farangs down for presumptively having a large dick. Its more like fear of the unknown.I think the story of the Big White Dick belongs to the past history and girls do well know it isn't that big.
Most of them say that to please the customer from one side and to try to avoid to wear out their pussy for the other side.
Always have a full color COPY with you, and your original safely hidden in your hotel room.
The risk of losing your original passport (you are basically screwed if you lose it) is so severe, its usually greater than the problems presented of not having your original passport on you should LE stop you for something.
Right near Soi 7 there is Kodak shop and the guy will make a nice color copy of your passport and all the latest pages, and it doesn't cost much eitherWhen making copies of you passport or other documents with sensitive personal information, please remember that all modern copy machines are essentially computers with memories that keep the image of you documents on their memories and / or hard drives. So anything you copy on a commercial or large scale public copier is stored on its hard drive.
There has been incidents in the past few years where old discarded machines were dumped at landfills and hackers were able to salvage the memories stored on these drives. If my memory serves me, a law firm in CA was essentially blackmailed for all the confidential client data that was left on their old copier. It had over 10 years of documents stored in the internal memory of the copier!
Western787
05-12-14, 07:58
I think the story of the Big White Dick belongs to the past history and girls do well know it isn't that big.
Most of them say that to please the customer from one side and to try to avoid to wear out their pussy for the other side. Typical Oz, euro or other western based Farangs have considerably larger average size than Asians, so its hardly a myth in relative terms. Asians in general do in fact have the smallest average dick sizes in the world, and African countries the largest, something very obvious on the map below
http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=3073
You mean they treat Farangs just like a young hottie would treat a 20 plus years older guy in a real (non P4P) bar, well that's why popcorn is sold cheap, to enjoy the entertainment watching customers (who most likely have flown across the world) get shot down and embarassed and flustered trying to comprehend why a girl standing in one spot for often 3 hours won't accept OTC.
Apparently these Japs are sometimes taking these girls for multi day arrangements of some type, and that's why these girls are so patient. Note in some instances by 1 pm (and hour before approximate close) certain remaining hotties will just walk out preemptively rather than just wait to the very end, apparently to try it again another night.
Any guy doing even a cursory bit of homework on this joint before getting there, is going to get the deal. Or can quickly get the scene when arriving.Actually a gal in a non-P4P bar in Thailand would not treat anyone who was being nice to her like that. She would smile and deflect.
I don't find it entertaining at all. I find it quite obnoxious and offensive. These are P4P girls which in this country makes it even worse. It has nothing to do with "competing." It is simply ill mannered.
Should I carry my passport on me at all times?
Should I bring freelancers to my hotels, or is that generally an unsafe thing to do?
Also putting valuables in the hotel safe. Whats stopping the hotel employees from stealing or giving the stuff to someone else?
What type of cell phones do you guys use when you're there. I have a galaxy s3, thats not too flashy is it. I mean its common in the US.
Short Time is generally two hours. So how do I negotiate for 30min to 1hr. Or is that frowned upon?Carry a photocopy of your passport, leave the real thing locked away in the hotel safe.
Freelancers are safe but before you take her to the hotel say to her "you have your ID card for hotel reception". If she says no. Avoid. If she says yes then when you go into the hotel get reception to take her ID card (many hotels reception will ask for it anyway). When she leaves the hotel reception will call you and ask if its ok to let her have her ID card. If you say yes, she can leave. This is for your security, its not an inconvenience, its a good measure of security that she will not hack you to death in the shower (joking) , or something less severe like steal a watch or a wallet.
Nothing stops thieves, best you can do is check your safe each time you come back to ensure nothing is missing.
Phone thieves are looking for S5's and Iphone 5's at the moment, anything less is not worth it. S3 is old, nobody interested in that.
Short time is short time. It means 1 shot. If you want 2 or more you better negotiate that before you take the girl. If you want something different (like anal) again agree with the girl before you take her. Never pay in advance. Its a sure fire way to get a lousy time.
Short time (1 shot) is generally 1000 to 1500 baht. Be prepared to negotiate and also be prepared to appear not interested in they refuse 1500 baht and want say 2000 baht- you are the buyer. And the buyer chooses.
Long time generally 2000 baht is given in the morning. Do not go above 3000 baht. There are none that are worth 3000 baht.
As a rule of thumb the best value is now in massage places. Like in Soi 26/1, Soi 24, Soi 33 etc. You get a form of massage, a single shot (sometimes multiple) , a shower before and after and all for around 2000 to 2500 baht total price. If you pay for the massage separate then its generally 600 baht for 90 mins and you give the girl 1500 baht, or if you pay all up front for body massage, say 2100 baht. The girls tip is included already.
Bangkok is basically now all about shots or company. If you want a good fuck then use massage places. Far cheaper and service is generally always good. If you want to pay for company then take girls out of bars / gogo's but it will cost you a load more money for having her hang around to kill your loneliness.
Member #4387
05-12-14, 08:27
Climax under the Ambassador seems to draw some, but Skogis is the guy with the true expertise in regard to the Hi So club circuitHehe well well but atleast I know my way around a few circuites by now. But as you may have noticed I tend to do a mixed mongeringprogram with FL pick ups from places like Climax, Levels, Bash, Insanity, Q Bar, Spasso, Shocks66 etc. I would not rate them, maby except Levels, as hi so clubs but that is probably due to individual preferences. Dealing with my regular girls I tend to hit the more upscale part of BKK's nightlife as Thong Lor area. Here other mechanisms comes into play than in mentioned clubs. Mostly I allready have dates arranged when going here as in an all in wine, dine, party and fuck program.
G-clubs have lately somewhat become a small favorite I e The Pimp and girls are hired here bcs they enjoy to party and they look beautiful, have well tuned bodies and are in general of top quality both in socializing and in bed. Be prepared to spend some serious cash though but by buying a membership deal (they come in many forms)you will be let off easier. I paid 30000bhts for free admittions, access to VIPs. 12 btls of Gold Label(for 1 year membership, the btls i presume needs to be topped up though). Girls here come with you only if they like you as they are not by any chance forced by managment to go with anyone. Payment for afterhrs pleasure are strictly between you and the girl. They are hired to entertain in the club and thats it (maby you can fuck them in a VIP designated area I don't know but I think only some kissing and ass touching will be on offer).
Reading the 4 last pages is a certain proof I did not miss anything. Pricedebate and how much better BKK was in the good old days is still running. Paul got one useful information though as we now have established sextoys are not legal for sale in Thailand. Quite logic by the way as most porn sites are beeing blocked (yes, I know my way around them blocades). I buy some crappy toys at the stalls though to add into the bedtimefun.
For my last stays in short and also as my 2 cents thrown into the neverending pricedebate. I don't care how much people pay in bars, go go, mp, escorts, st / lt, ld and if the prices here flies uncontrolable sky high. I care only about the FL market as all other is not my idea of having a good time and my main aim is semi pros frequenting nightclubs.
Since 010114 I have been to BKK numerous of times (I think 8, only a few days each time). I have picked a good number of girls from mentioned venues (top of my post) and except from 1 girl which I paid 5k (exellent service, mind, body, attitude, performance etc) , I pay 3k each time. This is LT encounters and they all stayed for 8hrs or more. The longest almost a day. This incl multiple poppings, combination of PSE / GFE and usualy A+ is on the menu (not that this is discussed upfront just played by ear). I never discuss any price upfront so this is what I give the girls before they leave. One of these 3k encounters is actually a Spassogirl as well. Spassogirls used to crave for 5k but maby it is getting CHEAPER, hehe (officegirl I might add with her own car). All girls seems happy with my compensation. I admit that for the Spassogirl it was all a test as i was ready to pay the usual 5k but she took the money given her without an eyebrow lift of beeing unhappy.. Well well.
Except from Spasso which was 2K cheaper than before I still pay 3k for LT FL girl (not the most hardcore ones but mostly girl out to get some extra cash, they are not gone). The 3k also incl girls from G-clubs.
2 nice Beergarden girls have also joined me during this period. Great personalities and very giving girls. Paid 1k and 1, 5k for these two. Not bad at all.
So for my pussymarket prices has not changed in 8 years. In my book a LT FL girl from nightclubs was 3k and still is. In BG I have never realy paid less than 1k and have probably paid 2k as well sometimes. Me and a friend took a girl in for testing a DP she got 3k (BG pick up, this is some years ago now, she spoke some swedish by the way as she was on holiday from her swedish husband).
I put some effort into the hole deal not just beeing a business transaction. I want myself and the girls to have nice time. It is all about trust and chemistry (in my book).
By the way Thermae i have not visited for a good year now so can not comment recwnt developments. But a good year ago i did pick a girl from the asian lineup. Maby impossible today?
Paul Kausch
05-12-14, 08:27
Paul, almost every time I am in Tmae, which is rare these days, I see a smiling farang approach a gal and get met with a scowl or just completely ignored. Completely uncalled for.Fair enough. True, it's not like these ladies are ladies, but then not all of us or gentlemen either. Neither is excusable. A friendly approach deserves a polite rejection.
Reading the 4 last pages is a certain proof I did not miss anything. Pricedebate and how much better BKK was in the good old days is still running. Paul got one useful information though as we now have established sextoys are not legal for sale in Thailand. Quite logic by the way as most porn sites are beeing blocked (yes, I know my way around them blocades). I buy some crappy toys at the stalls though to add into the bedtimefun.Well, we can't have gyno images and Penthouse Letters all the time, can't we?
BTW: I have never had a single difficutly in accessing ANY (porn related) website whilst in BKK.
I assume that if anybody has ever had some, it should be mainly an hotel related issue rather than governmental (as it is in arab countries, for instance)
As far as sex toys, true that the street stalls do not offer much variety, especially on the main sex toy, but sufficient enough for some play if one can't or doesn't want to bring in.
TIT, when one reads that sextoys are not legally allowed (to be sold in a shop) and then they are on public display in the streets of BKK, visible to anyone (at least a shop saves face, being behind closed door)
If thai ladies base their idea of farang dick from the street dildos I'd be scared to if I was them, they are mostly hideous.
Has anyone ever been asked to show passport? If you did, were you someplace you shouldn't be and / or did you get testy with the officer?
There seems to be a link between trying to mouth off with tuk tuk / cops and bad things happening.
Member #4387
05-12-14, 13:35
Has anyone ever been asked to show passport? If you did, were you someplace you shouldn't be and / or did you get testy with the officer?I can only answer on my own behalf but I am happy to inform you I have travelled extensively around the globe since 1995 and I have never been stopped on the street or other places by any officials or others wanting to see my passport. As far as I can remember I have never carried my passport around so no bad happenings to report. Passport in safe and off we go. But I am sure there are others out there having different experiences as this was only mine.
But as an official traveladvice I know our foreign ministry allways advice travellers to atleast keep a photocopy of your passport when stralling around.
Check the outdoor seating at Subway on Soi 7/1 late evenings for an old Russian hooker that calls out to passerbysHi Western787,
When was the last time you saw Russians at Subway?
I can only answer on my own behalf but I am happy to inform you I have travelled extensively around the globe since 1995 and I have never been stopped on the street or other places by any officials or others wanting to see my passport. .Get yourself in an unwanted trouble (even by just crossing the street on a pedestrian crossing and somebody hits you) and you have a case where somebody will ask you an I'd.
Western787
05-12-14, 16:16
Actually a gal in a non-P4P bar in Thailand would not treat anyone who was being nice to her like that. She would smile and deflect.
I don't find it entertaining at all. I find it quite obnoxious and offensive. These are P4P girls which in this country makes it even worse. It has nothing to do with "competing." It is simply ill mannered.I meant to say what would happen in a typical (non P4P regular) western bar if an average 50 plus year old guy hit on a 25 year old hottie. The response would generally be quite nasty. Now while I do feel bad for the guys being shot down inThermae and also deem it rude, one might as well buy popcorn and enjoy the show.
Western787
05-12-14, 16:43
G-clubs have lately somewhat become a small favorite I e The Pimp and girls are hired here bcs they enjoy to party and they look beautiful, have well tuned bodies and are in general of top quality both in socializing and in bed. Be prepared to spend some serious cash though but by buying a membership deal (they come in many forms)you will be let off easier. I paid 30000bhts for free admittions, access to VIPs. 12 btls of Gold Label(for 1 year membership, the btls i presume needs to be topped up though). Girls here come with you only if they like you as they are not by any chance forced by managment to go with anyone. Payment for afterhrs pleasure are strictly between you and the girl. They are hired to entertain in the club and thats it (maby you can fuck them in a VIP designated area I don't know but I think only some kissing and ass touching will be on offer).For anyone enjoys the latest Electronic Dance ("House") Music (with the drops and so forth) played as it was meant to played on a world class sound system, they need check out the St Regis G Club, right at the end of Soi 11. Also the room is so huge (40 feet ceiling I believe) they can play it loud without your hearing being destroyed as routinely happens in Rainbow 4 and particularly Rainbow 1 as well as other Go Go's.
The ITC live band plays intermittenly (1/2 hour sets on and 1/2 hour breaks or something similar) pop tunes etc, though IMHO its not very good IMHO. I think they were hired for looks instead of talent .
Personally I wish they just played the recorded music sound system 100% of the time
The entry fee is 1000 bahts for which one then gets one drink (you can hang at the bar if you want) so obviously its expensive, so one has take care and check ahead that they go on a busy night (Fri or Sat usually a good bet) when the G girls are actually dancing, because some nights they just parade through every hour or so and hide in the lounge, and do absolutely no dancing at all.
Western787
05-12-14, 17:35
By the way Thermae I have not visited for a good year now so can not comment recwnt developments. But a good year ago I did pick a girl from the asian lineup. Maby impossible today?Absolutely not impossible today except perhaps with the 10 to 20 (or even lower number) obvious super cuties (out of the 120 to 150 mostly average to slightly hot girls typically in there by midnight). The most serious ones will have the Jap style hairdo and stand on the left side in a very passive way, (just as the Japs prefer it) some holding their nightbag ready to go, and wait patiently and standing very still while waiting for the "General inspecting his troops" style walk by which the Japs have down to a science.
Of course those are the precise girls many Farangs obviously fantasize about, and which (if they don't know the deal) end up making fools of themselves slobbering over them as they are turned down after seeing them standing in the same spot for hours.
I suspect (for want of a better term) some of the "teen dream" types could be bribed by Farangs, but I have never heard of anyone actually claiming successfully going OTC after overpaying at bribe levels, lets say combined with discreetly suggesting a place to meetup later.
Note the pattern you see: Farang walks up to "teen dream" and gets shot down , then (for him to save face) hits on the adjacent (generally avg girls) and they (to also save face) then also shoot him down one after the other.
Paul Kausch
05-12-14, 17:38
I meant to say what would happen in a typical (non P4P regular) western bar if an average 50 plus year old guy hit on a 25 year old hottie. The response would generally be quite nasty. Now while I do feel bad for the guys being shot down inThermae and also deem it rude, one might as well buy popcorn and enjoy the show.Depends on how you "hit" on the lady. Last week I was at one of my favorite restaurants on Miami Beach, a very casual Italian restaurant. The staff is a mix of Italians, Brazilians and Argentinians. From 5-8pm it offers reduced prices on drinks and free antipasto. It draws a good crowd. I'm a regular and know the manager and several of the staff. I was sitting at my stool when two young ladies sat next to me on my right. I'd give one of them a solid 8 with a very good figure; the other a 7 and a little heavier than I prefer. This is the Beach where good looking girls are plentiful. I minded my own business, engaged in some friendly conversation with the two bartenders, one a good lookin Italian male and one a gorgeous Brazilian female. Part of the restaurant's formula is good looking male and female staff. After a while I turned my head, established eye contact and smiled at the ladies, then said hello and started a conversation. To make a long story short I learned both worked at the front desk of one of the 5-star hotels across the bay. Before leaving they told me their typically schedule and asked me to stop by and say hello. On leaving the 8 said, "ya, after our shift, we can go out together." I'm 63, I'd guess the ladies are between 24 and 28. Have I fucked them yet? No. Will I? Depends on how hard I try.
Western787
05-12-14, 17:51
Depends on how you "hit" on the lady. Last week I was at one of my favorite restaurants on Miami Beach, a very casual Italian restaurant. The staff is a mix of Italians, Brazilians and Argentinians. From 5-8pm it offers reduced prices on drinks and free antipasto. It draws a good crowd. I'm a regular and know the manager and several of the staff. I was sitting at my stool when two young ladies sat next to me on my right. I'd give one of them a solid 8; the other a borderline 6-7. I minded my own business, engaged in some friendly conversation with the two bartenders, one a good lookin Italian male and one a gorgeous Brazilian female. Part of their formula is good looking male and female staff. After a while I turned my head, established eye contact and smiled at the ladies, then said hello and started a conversation. To make a long story short I learned both worked at the front desk of one of the 5-star hotels across the bay. Before leaving they told me their typically schedule and asked me to stop by and say hello. On leaving the 8 said,"ya, after our shift, we can go out together. I'm 63, I'd guess the ladies are between 24 and 28. Have I fucked them yet? No. Will I? Depends on how hard I try.The rule I cited was the all purpose general rule.
When I hear Brazilian and Argentinian young girls, I think P4P right away.
In any case assuming its not flat out P4P, obviously there can be a compensating (perceived) resource factors at work when younger women in bars meet older guys, or just cultural factors, and in multi national venues (like Miami) particularly you are likely going to run across women from other countries where age is that not big a deal.
Western787
05-12-14, 19:08
Fair enough. True, it's not like these ladies are ladies, but then not all of us or gentlemen either. Neither is excusable. A friendly approach deserves a polite rejection.LADY: "a polite dignified woman: a woman who behaves very politely and with dignity."
Perhaps its mostly limited to part timers, but I don't think for example in Thailand being a "lady" is necessarily mutually inconsistent with being a working girl, and I always go on that operating assumption. Many in fact are quite dignified, reserved, and ladylike but who also happen to work in a very odd profession.
Paul Kausch
05-13-14, 00:18
The rule I cited was the all purpose general rule.
When I hear Brazilian and Argentinian young girls, I think P4P right away.
In any case assuming its not flat out P4P, obviously there can be a compensating (perceived) resource factors at work when younger women in bars meet older guys, or just cultural factors, and in multi national venues (like Miami) particularly you are likely going to run across women from other countries where age is that not big a deal.Absolutely not P4P. These are trained restaurant waitstaff. Now many good looking young women on Miami Beach are open to a sugar daddy relationship; so I'm sure the female bartender would seriously entertain an invitation. The two young ladies I talked to were trained in the hospitality industry and worked for one of the big global corporations with brands ranging from three to five stars. They are probably interested in spending a few years at each of several destination citites. Both spoke English with a Mid-Atlantic American accent. My guess is both have a Latin background and likely speak Spanish.
I think your last sentence is correct. I find many women here who are less than half my age who show an interest, so to speak. My point is it depends on how you approach them.
All this started with the attitudes of many of the young ladies in Thermae. I've been hearing for the last couple of years that Thermae keeps getting worse and worse for farangs. But I think that has nothing to do with the reactions some guys, especially older guys, get after a poorly executed pick-up move in a "normal" bar or club setting. My approach to picking up a young girl is to act like an urban gentleman ;) and not try to pick her up. Before I started my conversation I moved a couple plates of the choice antipasto from my left to my right so the ladies could easily reach them. I said nothing other than "you're welcome." After the conversation started I said nothing the least bit suggestive. I let them do most of the talking and demonstrate they are mature women. I asked follow up questions, agreed with everything they said and let them feel intelligent. ;) I directed about 60% of my attention to the 7, who was the first to ask me to stop by where they worked. The 8 immediately reinforced the suggestion. I was not surprised when it was the 8 who wanted to go out together after work. The next clue will be whether all three of us go out or the 7 bows out and suggest her friend and I go out.
Problem is I've gotten lazy. All of this is too much work, ends up costing just as much or more and wastes a lot of time. I much prefer fucking strippers in Miami and Bangkok's P4P scene. As for Thermae, even though I'll be staying next door, it's unlikely I'll even set foot in there.
Member #4698
05-13-14, 00:55
Thermae: the main problem is the quality is not that great. Most of the girls are sub Go Go and by that I mean sub Go Go girls that I am interested in and barfine. They wear poor quality clothing which further conveys to me a lack of overall quality. I was there recently in March. Girls on the left, Girls on the right, Girls in the center: I got the smile and the "take me" look from most. Say 85% which was a better ratio than in 2012 or 2013. I just did not see any girls that I had to have. I really like that "I have to have her feeling" that some girls give me. A few girls gave me the "you don't exist look". Now why in the world would a punter try to pick up a girl giving off that kind of vibe? I don't know. It is a newbie mistake. I have never been turned down here. I won't approach a girl giving off a bad vibe same as I won't approach a girl I am not attracted to.
Once in a while you can get lucky in Thermae even now. Like last year when I was there having a coke and an absolutely hot girl dressed to the 9's in black evening dress walked into the place like she owned it. She was a 7. 5 in a sea of 5's. She walked around the island twice. On her 2nd revolution I smiled and said hello. She smiled and came over. Yada yada yada. I took her back to my hotel room and had a great time. I think I posted a trip report about her last year. She told me she worked in a legal office and came to Thermae once or twice a month when she was low on funds. Believe me guys, she gave me that "I have to have her" feeling. She was 29. Perhaps she started in Thermae a long time ago in it's heyday. I don't know. She really stood out from the other girls. Somehow I misplaced her cell number and I never saw her again. Damn!
I meant to say what would happen in a typical (non P4P regular) western bar if an average 50 plus year old guy hit on a 25 year old hottie. The response would generally be quite nasty. Now while I do feel bad for the guys being shot down inThermae and also deem it rude, one might as well buy popcorn and enjoy the show.I really think that depends on how you "hit" on the woman. If you are polite and friendly you would probably not get "nasty" in return. If you were a complete douchebag, then yes you would.
Western787
05-13-14, 02:49
I really think that depends on how you "hit" on the woman. If you are polite and friendly you would probably not get "nasty" in return. If you were a complete douchebag, then yes you would.
You are dreaming if you don't think even "polite and friendly" 50 year old males hitting on 25 year old hotties in (regular non P4P) western clubs don't get treated rudely (whether eyerolling or ignoring) on a fairly regular basis simply because of their age, and the reason is simple. Hotties generally don't want a guy their father's age.
Now as for Thermae, most of the girls shooting Farangs down over and over again, are at least polite in a cursory way at least.
Western787
05-13-14, 03:03
The most telling Western Expression about being under the yoke of feminist domination is the phrase "did you get lucky last night" referring to a friend asking a friend if he picked up a girl and got laid last night. In Asia there is no luck involved. When a man goes out looking for pussy he ALWAYS finds it. In Bangkok the shoe is on the other foot and it is the girl that gets lucky when she hooks a customer. The OP will learn this the more he travels to LOS and frees himself of the Western mindset. He will also learn that there are hundreds if not thousands of Thai girls that will give him more/better service than what he received at Mandarin. As the Eagles sang, "You can't hide your lyin' [western] eyes".Guess you too are now under of the "yoke of feminist domination." Could be a bad omen for Bangkok.
Consider what you just said about getting LUCKY:
"Once in a while you can get lucky in Thermae even now. Like last year when I was there having a coke and an absolutely hot girl dressed to the 9's in black evening dress walked into the place like she owned it. She was a 7. 5 in a sea of 5's. She walked around the island twice. On her 2nd revolution I smiled and said hello. She smiled and came over. Yada yada yada. I took her back to my hotel room and had a great time. I think I posted a trip report about her last year. She told me she worked in a legal office and came to Thermae once or twice a month when she was low on funds. Believe me guys, she gave me that "I have to have her" feeling. She was 29. Perhaps she started in Thermae a long time ago in it's heyday. I don't know. She really stood out from the other girls. Somehow I misplaced her cell number and I never saw her again. Damn!"
Western787
05-13-14, 03:12
Thermae: the main problem is the quality is not that great. Most of the girls are sub Go Go and by that I mean sub Go Go girls that I am interested in and barfine. They wear poor quality clothing which further conveys to me a lack of overall quality. I was there recently in March. Girls on the left, Girls on the right, Girls in the center: I got the smile and the "take me" look from most. Say 85% which was a better ratio than in 2012 or 2013. I just did not see any girls that I had to have. I really like that "I have to have her feeling" that some girls give me. A few girls gave me the "you don't exist look". Now why in the world would a punter try to pick up a girl giving off that kind of vibe? I don't know. It is a newbie mistake. I have never been turned down here. I won't approach a girl giving off a bad vibe same as I won't approach a girl I am not attracted to.While there are hardened pros in there all the time (many on the right wall) , Thermae does seem to draw in some fresh faced apple pie types (the eastern version at least) some of whom are hot in a teen dream sort of way (10 to 20 tops some nights, if even that many) , and I think that's why Farangs are drawn to the place, even though the odds are not good for the average Farang in regard to pulling any out.
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