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Another two week millionare kiddy fiddler.
Johnie.I agree 5000 bht is very high, but without looking back at previous posts, I think I recall they quote about 2200 to 4500 or so. When I was there last February that is about what the papasan quoted me. The big prices were for a few young ones, but I had a choice of 50 or more in the 2200 to 2500 range who IMHO were just as good looking as the big money ones. I think the premium was for the young ages, I drank a couple of beer at a table beside where the big money ones were sitting and in looks they had nothing on 2500 bht ones. I was there about 3 times over 3 weeks and would recommend. I liked the fact I could sit at a table and have several beer and check out the chicas. Papasan there is first class guy.
Back from 1 week in Bangkok. I RTFF before I go and retreived some valuable tips. So time to give something back.
Great TR w / a lot of good intel on several venues. Thanks for taking the time to post.
Member #4698
12-09-14, 19:10
1 week in Bangkok. I RTFF and retreived some valuable tips. time to give something back.
Crazy House! OMG! Without any doubt the hottest place in BKK. All girls I had were good, non of them were really bad performers. After a while I started to be friend with the manager (Linda) and the owner of the place. She noticed I was not in BKK on a budget and started to point out for me her best girls and introducing me to her new arrives.
My hotel was Legacy Suites. I had a big room with little salon to chat up with the girls before hitting the bedroom.
NEP: Rainbow 4 girls too old and chubby for my taste. Mandarin met a nice girl named Boum.
Mixx and Fashion bar. Very beautiful Russian girls there. Models I guess. Mixx was almost empty.
Climax. Very crowded. Full of FL's, many of them very drunk. I only see few beautiful girls.
Colonize and Nataree had the most beautiful girls. I ended up in Nataree. I choose (a girl) and (she) turned out to be the most expensive girl 5000 B. The girl only spoke Thai but she was sweet. Also very tight and I blew up the condom again. She cried when she realized I blew my load deep into her pussy. A bad day at the office I suppose.
Soi 22 Pern Massage. Met up front nice girl, named So. She gave me a good massage and really excellent hand job! Great Field Report, RangeLove. Sounds like you had a really good time. All Soapies have girls in multiple price categories. It is called the free market. Sometimes I see very attractive girls in the fishbowl and other times I see hot hot girls on the sideline. It varies. Choose who you like.
Another two week millionare kiddy fiddler.
Johnie.I think you guys are missing the point of my original comment. Why would a large establishment like CH which already, allegedly, has form in providing girls of questionable age, be providing girls to.
RangeLove without I'd?. I agree, its a free world, but be very careful!
Johnie.
This point has been raised before & it was mentioned that the Thai birth rate has not been declining nearly so much in recent years & has remained rather constant of late. Where it will go in the future, whether higher or lower, is unknown.
To be brief, due to time restraints, I'd simply say it is not nearly so simple. There are many factors at play, not just economic & demographic. (Of the two, though, the poverty of third world rice growing Siam is much more sure to continue in the decades to come, not the declining birth rate.).
There is, for example, the law of supply & demand, with ever increasing numbers of tourists to LOS, which provides work for many Thai sex trade workers who are well past their prime. So they do not leave the profession or have been able to remain in it much longer than in the past.
In the 90's many were removed from the trade due to HIV. With modern meds & a far lower HIV rate in 2014, the rate of TG sex workers quiting due to HIV is far less.
Other factors that can effect the numbers of PFP gals working in Siam & their ratio to customers is what happens in the political arena, natural disasters & the prosperity or decline of its tourism industry, etc.
Issues in these areas have been quite regular & generally lead to the Kingdom becoming even more of a "prime mongering destination" quality wise during the period of time when they occur.Well, I'm not sure where you're getting your facts, but please post them here. Here's a chart, readily available on the Internet, that is completely contrary to your assertion that the birth rate has remained constant.
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=25&c=th&l=en
As you can clearly see, it's been dropping steadily for the last decade.
Nobody said that sex workers wouldn't work longer. But, again, the fact is that they cannot work in this trade forever. When they retire there are fewer sex workers to replace them. This is indisputable.
As I said, when times get tough the percentage of women who opt for sex work probably increases. But that number is small in relation to the population as a whole. To deny that is to reveal that one knows nothing about women in general. Thailand may, or may not, have a higher percentage of the female population engaging in some form of prostitution. However, regardless of that percentage, I refuse to believe that a natural disaster or political problem sends zillions of women running for the nearest paying customer's bed. If you have some evidence to the contrary, I'm happy to be convinced otherwise.
I don't follow your argument that reduced numbers of girls and increased demand equals prime hobbying destination.
So, to summarize, there are fewer girls overall in the general population. Ipso facto, there will be fewer girls in the sex industry unless somebody has evidence that shows as the birth rate declines the percentage of females opting for sex work increases. As tourism increases there will inevitably be issues as demand outstrips supply. The scene has changed dramatically in the last 10 years. Given the above it will change even more dramatically in the next 10. There is no way Thailand will continue to be a "prime destination. " In fact, the argument can be made that it is no longer a prime destination, but that's for another thread and another day.
They also never checked ID's what was good because Linda sometimes warned me a girl had no ID with her.
Don't take this personally, it's your 7th posting and you may be a newb. But are you crazy??
This has to be one of the HUGEST red flags in the industry. A national I'd card is compulsory for all Thais. AFAIK a Thai national is supposed to have this on their person at all times.
When a girl tells you that she has no I'd it means one of two things. She's working illegally in Thailand or she's "younger than the statutory minimum age." (take that, Big Brother code editor!) You REALLY don't want to get mixed up in that.
The mama-sans who will do this are scum, IMO. Once I took a lady, from a beer bar on Loi Kroh, back to my hotel. She told me in the bar that she was 22 or 23 (I forget which). Upon undressing her body was absolutely not that of a 22-23 year old girl. I questioned her and she admitted that the mama-san told all the girls to tell customers that they were 23. Conveniently, she had no ID. She swore up and down that she was 19 but, lacking evidence, I refused to believe it.
As I said, when times get tough the percentage of women who opt for sex work probably increases. But that number is small in relation to the population as a whole. To deny that is to reveal that one knows nothing about women in general. Thailand may, or may not, have a higher percentage of the female population engaging in some form of prostitution. However, regardless of that percentage, I refuse to believe that a natural disaster or political problem sends zillions of women running for the nearest paying customer's bed. If you have some evidence to the contrary, I'm happy to be convinced otherwise.
I remember a couple years ago when Thailand had all that flooding and many factories around the country were shut down for extended periods of time putting thousands of girls out of work, I was expecting to see a large surge of freelancers around town. Never happened.
Don't take this personally, it's your 7th posting and you may be a newb. But are you crazy??
This has to be one of the HUGEST red flags in the industry.
The mama-sans who will do this are scum, IMO. Tranquillo kimosabe, its not that serious.
Its no crime to fuck a woman who is in the country without papers. Many, many support staff in the LOS are illegals. Thais know it and are not raiding to catch them.
And we can all tell when a girls under 18.
FritsVanegter
12-10-14, 05:05
Hello,
The FL street scene is surely going downwards in numbers and in quality.
But I did notice the number of Philippine ladies in BKK is going up. Didn't meet any Philippine FL (not like beach club in Kuala Lumpur).
The restaurant next door my hotel has a very nice typical LBFM from Philippines as one of the staff members. She is studying and working at the same time. Because the restaurant and the hotel share the same owner I presume I didn't try anything to see if she is available.
But I am almost sure soon the Philippine ladies with their GFE style and good English will give the Thai ladies a hard time.
So we can have Thai food and Philippine ladies because the Philippine food is horrible.
You can meet philipine ladies on dating sites just use extended search for thailand so you can g.
Find philipine girls living in bkk.
Sincere greetings,
Frits
I remember some girls so tight I just blow up my condom every time!
By "blow up" you appear to mean break the condom. Condoms break quite rarely if used properly and not deliberately broken. It should be a once per year event, or less.
It is true that there can be some very tight pussies. May was difficult to fuck for me due to being too small. A small pussy is not going to cause condom breakage. What can cause it though, is some girls stuff a sponge or even cotton wool in their pussy, euphemistically known as a "chicken" by Thai girls, especially at time of period, or for some girls (all the time). This can make the pussy seem smaller. The downside is it can also cause abrasion on the condom and cause it to break, especially if lacking lube. I always ask girls to remove the sponge, so my dick can go in further and feel smoother. When I suspect one, it can usually be found by a finger probe, so not more than about 4 inches down typically, but compressible by a dick when its a sponge of course. Girls seem to think the guy will never know anything is different to normal, but it is very different for me.
I gave up going with one Thai girl who used a sponge all the time. Perhaps some girls need it to protect against uterus bruising.
Girls in Suzi Wong doing lesbian shows, stuff cotton wool in pussy. The reason is supposedly to ensure no pussy odours. A little bit funny, that one. However on occasions, such a girl went with me and had forgotten to take it out.
Brief look in Crazy House Tuesday night at 10 PM. I had already had a great sex session elsewhere, so wasn't specially horny. Line up was well below Saturday night standard. Probably best girls already BFed by that time. Anyway was too boring to stay when I have seen it much better. Best time to arrive at bars is 8:30 or 9PM.
No. 4 with a beautiful ass and good face was a little bit tempting. Small tits.
By "blow up" you appear to mean break the condom. Condoms break quite rarely if used properly and not deliberately broken. It should be a once per year event, or less.
I wondered about that too. Although I have broken a condom or two, I am guessing it has been at least twenty years since one broke.
I met a girl named Beem when I was in Bangkok last September. She was a SW working in front of the Starbucks on sukhumvit. Seemed to only to work before 3:00 pm. She is about 5'-2", tanned skin, tatoo on her left front hip, about a 6" vertical cesarean scar on her abdomen, smallish breasts and and a very pretty face. Not much of a description, I know, but if anybody can help me find her, I would be grateful. I know I should have got her phone #, but didn't think I was coming back to Bangkok.
I remember a couple years ago when Thailand had all that flooding and many factories around the country were shut down for extended periods of time putting thousands of girls out of work, I was expecting to see a large surge of freelancers around town. Never happened.Many were busy trying to save their stuff, selves & others from the flooding. T'was a great time for mongering, though, as the regularly occuring problematic times in LOS tend to be, as the ratio of hobbyists to working girls was very favorable. Such times, as the low seasons also tend to be relative to the highs, make the girls more desperate & more appreciate of the clients that are available to them.
As they say, history repeats itself & Siam has a history of constantly recurring disasters in various ways. Add all the other factors such as third world poverty & odds are very high it will long remain a top of the world destination for getting fabulous bang for one's buck, as it has already for decades now.
Well, I'm not sure where you're getting your facts, but please post them here. Here's a chart, readily available on the Internet, that is completely contrary to your assertion that the birth rate has remained constant.
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=25&c=th&l=en
As you can clearly see, it's been dropping steadily for the last decade.The url does not even show what the rate was for the years 2013 and 2014. And here is what I actually said, rather than your distortion:
The "Thai birth rate has not been declining nearly so much in recent years & has remained rather constant of late. Where it will go in the future, whether higher or lower, is unknown. ".
The chart shows exactly that, from 2010 to 2012, namely what I said above. From 2010 to 2011, for example, there was virtually no change at all. From 2011 to 2012 the drop was much less than almost every year since 2000. So you are simply wrong as to the facts, as shown by your own source. Your chart clearly shows the rate almost flat lining since 2010.
Brief look in Crazy House Tuesday night at 10 PM. I had already had a great sex session elsewhere, so wasn't specially horny. Line up was well below Saturday night standard. Probably best girls already BFed by that time. Anyway was too boring to stay when I have seen it much better. Best time to arrive at bars is 8:30 or 9PM.
No. 4 with a beautiful ass and good face was a little bit tempting. Small tits.Glad to hear your assessment as I was in Tuesday night around 9 pm for the first time in months and thought it was way below what it had been 6 months ago. Back then all the nudes were very nice but last night a few were very unattractive and only a couple looked good. Still better than Sharks and Suzy Wongs which I hit afterwards. I didn't even bother to finish my beer in either. When the show began at SW's and two Koreans started complaining to the service girl how bad the girls looked I knew it was time to head for the exit. Ended up at Mandarin upstairs at Nana Plaza. The dancers were mediocre but some of the coyotes were fine, one in particular was a knockout (to my taste). Service Girl told me some went and some didn't. Since this was 1:30 and she was still there my guess is the knockout doesn't.
So, to summarize, there are fewer girls overall in the general population. Ipso facto, there will be fewer girls in the sex industry unless somebody has evidence that shows as the birth rate declines the percentage of females opting for sex work increases. As tourism increases there will inevitably be issues as demand outstrips supply. The scene has changed dramatically in the last 10 years. Given the above it will change even more dramatically in the next 10. There is no way Thailand will continue to be a "prime destination. " In fact, the argument can be made that it is no longer a prime destination, but that's for another thread and another day.This whole house of cards, from start to finish, falls with the erroneous statement in your first sentence.
"The population of Thailand is approximately 67.5 million people, with an annual growth rate of about 0. 3 percent. In addition to Thai, it includes ethnic Chinese, Malay, Lao, Burma, Cambodia, and Indians, among others. According to 2010 decennial census, it revealed a population of 65,981,600 (up from 60,916,441 in 2000)".
The statement also fails to take into account the declining death rate of female children, teens & adults due to advances in science & medicine as regards HIV, care at birth, etc. Greater problems with health can mean greater numbers of females who rule out sex work due to their conditions.
Moreover your comment doesn't consider that what is significant to the sex trade market in LOS, particularly to foreigners, is not so much the overall birth rate as the rate in certain areas from which the sex workers mostly come from, not, for examples, Bangkok or the Muslim dominated.
Tranquillo kimosabe, its not that serious.
Its no crime to fuck a woman who is in the country without papers. Many, many support staff in the LOS are illegals. Thais know it and are not raiding to catch them.
And we can all tell when a girls under 18.I have seen 20+ year old Chinese, Thai and Viet women that look like teenagers. In BKK, I like the option of taking them back to my hotel for LT and the hotel holds the girls I'd to check if she is old enough and to make sure we are safe. Then when the girls leaves in the morning they call you, or you call them, to release her I'd. The first time I felt a little embarrassed, but the people in the hotels know what we all do and frankly I like that process.
I do miss BKK, it has been nearly a year since my last visit. Checking these boards makes me want to return but I have been having fun in HK for a while.
A booming thai economy doesn't explain the lack of new girls prostituting themselves. Do these village girls all of a sudden have the education and skills to work for decent wages for a multi-national company.
It takes years for village people to become employable at even the median wages level.
And we can all tell when a girls under 18.I seriously doubt that. How can you tell for example when a girl is 16 or 17 and not 18?
15 and younger is usually quite obvious but it can be very hard to tell if a girl is 16,17, 18 or even 19 or 20.
If a girl has no ID AND she looks too young than it's simple: it's a NO NO.
If a girl has an ID that says she's 18+ but nevertheless she looks too young then it's getting difficult. The ID might be fake or borrowed from a sister or niece who has the same looks but is of legal age. Or the ID is genuine and the girl is of legal age.
I seriously doubt that. Sorry, I meant to say most EXPERIENCED LOS mongers. Clearly we all need to comport ourselves within our own comfort level. If its that difficult for you and it matters that much then you are wise to err on the conservative side and I commend you on your restraint.
I met a girl named Beem when I was in Bangkok last September. She was a SW working in front of the Starbucks on sukhumvit. Seemed to only to work before 3:00 pm. She is about 5'-2", tanned skin, tatoo on her left front hip, about a 6" vertical cesarean scar on her abdomen, smallish breasts and and a very pretty face.Generally the ladies tend to work the same area / time so their customers know where to find them, or spy them one day and select them the next. Maybe not every day but they rotate in. You might get lucky and she is still there. I have seen the same SW ladies sticking to their same lower Suk spots for years.
SunLover.
A booming thai economy doesn't explain the lack of new girls prostituting themselves. Do these village girls all of a sudden have the education and skills to work for decent wages for a multi-national company.
It takes years for village people to become employable at even the median wages level.Steve, yes it does. A gal can get a job in a restaurant and make a living now.
This whole house of cards, from start to finish, falls with the erroneous statement in your first sentence.
"The population of Thailand is approximately 67.5 million people, with an annual growth rate of about 0. 3 percent. In addition to Thai, it includes ethnic Chinese, Malay, Lao, Burma, Cambodia, and Indians, among others. According to 2010 decennial census, it revealed a population of 65,981,600 (up from 60,916,441 in 2000)".
The statement also fails to take into account the declining death rate of female children, teens & adults due to advances in science & medicine as regards HIV, care at birth, etc. Greater problems with health can mean greater numbers of females who rule out sex work due to their conditions.
Moreover your comment doesn't consider that what is significant to the sex trade market in LOS, particularly to foreigners, is not so much the overall birth rate as the rate in certain areas from which the sex workers mostly come from, not, for examples, Bangkok or the Muslim dominated.Sigh. Google Thailand population pyramid and you will see that it inverted in 97. This is an aging population. The birth rate has been declining for years. In less than 40 years the country will have twice the number of seniors than it has kids.
Also, have you been to Isaan lately? Do you have any idea how fast it is developing? Seen what land values have done in the last 5 years in the North East? Kids are starting to stay put in provinces like KK and Udon because there is far more opportunity.
The url does not even show what the rate was for the years 2013 and 2014. And here is what I actually said, rather than your distortion:
The "Thai birth rate has not been declining nearly so much in recent years & has remained rather constant of late. Where it will go in the future, whether higher or lower, is unknown. ".
The chart shows exactly that, from 2010 to 2012, namely what I said above. From 2010 to 2011, for example, there was virtually no change at all. From 2011 to 2012 the drop was much less than almost every year since 2000. So you are simply wrong as to the facts, as shown by your own source. Your chart clearly shows the rate almost flat lining since 2010.Its declining. People are living longer. It is an aging society.
Crocodilexp
12-10-14, 21:39
I met a girl named Beem when I was in Bangkok last September. She was a SW working in front of the Starbucks on sukhumvit. Seemed to only to work before 3:00 pm. She is about 5'-2", tanned skin, tatoo on her left front hip, about a 6" vertical cesarean scar on her abdomen, smallish breasts and and a very pretty face. As others pointed out, some freelancers keep up their habits (time / place of work) for years. Even if that's not the case, the lower Sukhumvit red light zone is not that large and the number of venues is finite. If you take a few days to snoop around, you might find her, if indeed she's still working. Do you have her photo by any chance? Might help if you intend to ask around (although the outcome of doing that is unpredictable).
I met a girl named Beem when I was in Bangkok last September. She was a SW working in front of the Starbucks on sukhumvit. Seemed to only to work before 3:00 pm. She is about 5'-2", tanned skin, tatoo on her left front hip, about a 6" vertical cesarean scar on her abdomen, smallish breasts and and a very pretty face. Not much of a description, I know, but if anybody can help me find her, I would be grateful. I know I should have got her phone #, but didn't think I was coming back to Bangkok.Several of us were reminiscing last night about Chong Ping and Dongguan before the crackdown. Almost none of the WGs there were mothers. Why? Because the Chinese guys would not take gals with baby drag on them. Sure wish it was that way here in LOS. Never has been sadly.
I was wondering what percentage of (mongering) farangs come to LOS from different countries? USA and Europe vs lets say from UK and Australia etc?
Does anyone have any idea?
Sorry, I meant to say most EXPERIENCED LOS mongers. Clearly we all need to comport ourselves within our own comfort level. If its that difficult for you and it matters that much then you are wise to err on the conservative side and I commend you on your restraint.I am an experienced LOS and other SE Asian countries monger, LOL!
Several of us were reminiscing last night about Chong Ping and Dongguan before the crackdown. Almost none of the WGs there were mothers. Why? Because the Chinese guys would not take gals with baby drag on them. Sure wish it was that way here in LOS. Never has been sadly.I heard about Chang Ping and Dongguan and the crackdown. Are those places still worth visiting post crackdown or is there not enough action there now?
A real crackdown could happen in Thailand but I think we are a decade or two from seeing it.
I heard about Chang Ping and Dongguan and the crackdown. Are those places still worth visiting post crackdown or is there not enough action there now?
A real crackdown could happen in Thailand but I think we are a decade or two from seeing it.From what I hear it ain't like it was. Might not ever be again. Korea used to have one of the most vibrant scenes in Asia. New Years Day before the olympics they swooped in and shut it all down. The Mayor of Manila closed most of the naughty bars in Manila. It is a shadow of its former self. So will it happen in BKK? One would think at some point it will. But when? That is the question isn't it!
I was wondering what percentage of (mongering) farangs come to LOS from different countries? USA and Europe vs lets say from UK and Australia etc?
Does anyone have any idea?No idea, but there are fewer and fewer Western mongers and more and more Asian mongers. Woe is the day when the Chinese dudes come en masse. It will happen, especially since China is cracking down on the P4 P industry.
No idea, but there are fewer and fewer Western mongers and more and more Asian mongers. Woe is the day when the Chinese dudes come en masse. It will happen, especially since China is cracking down on the P4 P industry.From 2006 to 2013 the top 6 Western countries all increased their numbers. Australia & France roughly doubled their arrivals to LOS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Thailand
From what I hear it ain't like it was. Might not ever be again. Korea used to have one of the most vibrant scenes in Asia. New Years Day before the olympics they swooped in and shut it all down. The Mayor of Manila closed most of the naughty bars in Manila. It is a shadow of its former self. So will it happen in BKK? One would think at some point it will. But when? That is the question isn't it!The difference between China, Korea, PI & LOS is in the first three prostitution is illegal while in LOS it is legal. Earlier this month in Canada, BTW, it became illegal to buy sex. Before that it was legal. So expect even more Canadians to travel abroad for their fun.
Unlike expensive first world South Korea, LOS is a very poor country & third world. Like Japan the sex industry there is rather closed to foreigners. So for a number of reasons South Korea is not appealing to the multitudes of hobbyists looking for value & bang for their buck. But Thailand is, has been for a very long time & should continue to be.
According to the following opinion South Korea has the second most PFP gals per capita than anywhere in the world.
http://globaldiscussion.net/topic/1442-countries-with-the-most-prostitutes/
People are living longer. It is an aging society.There are a lot of aging countries around the world. It is quite common. People live longer in a millennium of vastly superior medical care. Therefore prostitutes can stay healthy & in the business much longer. Thus there is less turnover & less need for it or replacements. They can cater to the aging populations who tend to have more disposable cash.
I was in Hanoi recently. It is not an aging but very young city. It is also poorer than Bangkok, cheaper for foreigners to live or visit & has more beautiful ladies. In spite of all that, it is in the peewee leagues of PFP, so has no chance of competing with professional major league destinations in Siam. Vietnam is like travelling by foot while the Kingdom goes at warp speed. The chance of Vietnam catching up to Thailand in this business in the next decade is yours of winning a huge lottery payout. Even if today all ladies in Bangkok were over 40 years of age, Vietnam would still be far less than half of what BKK would be.
Steve, yes it does. A gal can get a job in a restaurant and make a living now.I am rather mystified by people who just can't accept not only what their eyes tell them but what the facts tell them. They must be Republicans!
Its all changing here and changing quickly. We have seen as countries advance economically the scene both diminishes and the prices increase. It happened in Japan and Korea. It will happen here. Its happening already. When I first started coming here 20 years ago it was as likely that a working girl was from down south or the Chiang mai area or from Bangkok as she was from Issan. As those areas prospered over the years the working girls from those areas dried up. I would guess today that at least in the venues of gogos and fls, 95% of the girls are from Issan. Issan is now slowly (due to some degree to the hated Thaksin policies and also to the money pouring in from Issan people who work in Bangkok) also advancing economically. Thus their numbers are also diminishing and pricing is going up. This combined with demographics, westernization, a better educational system and social media have created a trend that is not likely to turn around unless something dramatically bad crashes the economy. As prices continue to increase mongers will slowly fade away when their cost threshold is reached. We all have one. That will change the scene even more and will continue to effect the number of girls in the business.
I don't think the Chinese will ever come here in masses for mongering. At least I hope not. The customers effected by the crackdown in Dongguan were mainly Hong Kong Chinese. My guess is that most local towns and cities have plenty of girls available for the locals and if it is like Dongguan they are both cheaper and better looking than their Thai working sisters.
I am rather mystified by people who just can't accept not only what their eyes tell them but what the facts tell them. They must be Republicans!
Its all changing here and changing quickly. We have seen as countries advance economically the scene both diminishes and the prices increase. It happened in Japan and Korea. It will happen here. Its happening already. When I first started coming here 20 years ago it was as likely that a working girl was from down south or the Chiang mai area or from Bangkok as she was from Issan. As those areas prospered over the years the working girls from those areas dried up. I would guess today that at least in the venues of gogos and fls, 95% of the girls are from Issan. Issan is now slowly (due to some degree to the hated Thaksin policies and also to the money pouring in from Issan people who work in Bangkok) also advancing economically. Thus their numbers are also diminishing and pricing is going up. This combined with demographics, westernization, a better educational system and social media have created a trend that is not likely to turn around unless something dramatically bad crashes the economy. As prices continue to increase mongers will slowly fade away when their cost threshold is reached. We all have one. That will change the scene even more and will continue to effect the number of girls in the business.
I agree to an extent although with couple of caveats that may or may not be legitimate. Forgetting about the fact the baht is stronger against the dollar than it was when I first visited Thailand about twelve years ago, prices haven't gone up that much although long-time at go-gos has become disfavored among many girls and therefore the price for that has increased more than for other options. The oil massage places most frequented by those on this forum charge exactly what they have for about a decade, with the exception of Bamboo's 500 baht anal surcharge and extra 100 baht for a session. Barons, then Tulip, and then Snow White, Mango, and Cherry have remained the same price for ages. And for those establishments as well as the go-go's I wonder whether the mantra the girls don't look as good as they used to reflects more that many of us have become rather jaded by now. I look at the pictures of the girls I took at the oilies 10 years ago, and then compare them to those today, and frankly don't see much, if any, quality difference. Similarly, although I find the majority of the go-go girls unattractive now, I always have although might have been satisfied to pull a girl who was not so attractive when the Bangkok scene was new to me (and my testosterone level a bit higher) while I am less inclined to do so now.
As to prices, ten years ago short-time at a go-go was 1500 baht, now it is 2000 (although I am hearing some are now getting 2500). The increase is probably less than the overall inflation rate over that period of time. Prices at the soapies have increased, but places like Nataree haven't increased that much over the last decade, again forgetting about the value of the baht.
Yes, eventually things may deteriorate in the P4P scene more significantly as the economic situation continues to improve (assuming it does; let's see what kind of turmoil breaks out when the King dies, e. g. , and whether that will be the straw that breaks the Thai economy's back), but so far it hasn't been too bad IMHO, certainly not like Brazil which has gotten out of reach for many mongers both in terms of the P4P pricing and overall costs of a vacation (hotel, food, etc.).
For me what makes the P4 P scene seem a bit expensive in Bangkok is not so much any increases in pricing, rather it is I spend a lot of time in Jakarta where there still are bargains to be found. But as time goes on, the Jakarta scene may also start feeling the effects of economic progress (or more depressingly, the effects of what seems like an increased level of Muslim fundamentalism in Indonesia).
Member #4591
12-11-14, 13:27
I agree to an extent although with couple of caveats that may or may not be legitimate. Forgetting about the fact the baht is stronger against the dollar than it was when I first visited Thailand about twelve years ago, prices haven't gone up that much although long-time at go-gos has become disfavored among many girls and therefore the price for that has increased more than for other options. The oil massage places most frequented by those on this forum charge exactly what they have for about a decade, with the exception of Bamboo's 500 baht anal surcharge and extra 100 baht for a session. Barons, then Tulip, and then Snow White, Mango, and Cherry have remained the same price for ages. And for those establishments as well as the go-go's I wonder whether the mantra the girls don't look as good as they used to reflects more that many of us have become rather jaded by now. I look at the pictures of the girls I took at the oilies 10 years ago, and then compare them to those today, and frankly don't see much, if any, quality difference. Similarly, although I find the majority of the go-go girls unattractive now, I always have although might have been satisfied to pull a girl who was not so attractive when the Bangkok scene was new to me (and my testosterone level a bit higher) while I am less inclined to do so now.
As to prices, ten years ago short-time at a go-go was 1500 baht, now it is 2000 (although I am hearing some are now getting 2500). The increase is probably less than the overall inflation rate over that period of time. Prices at the soapies have increased, but places like Nataree haven't increased that much over the last decade, again forgetting about the value of the baht.
Yes, eventually things may deteriorate in the P4P scene more significantly as the economic situation continues to improve (assuming it does; let's see what kind of turmoil breaks out when the King dies, e. g. , and whether that will be the straw that breaks the Thai economy's back), but so far it hasn't been too bad IMHO, certainly not like Brazil which has gotten out of reach for many mongers both in terms of the P4P pricing and overall costs of a vacation (hotel, food, etc.).
For me what makes the P4 P scene seem a bit expensive in Bangkok is not so much any increases in pricing, rather it is I spend a lot of time in Jakarta where there still are bargains to be found. But as time goes on, the Jakarta scene may also start feeling the effects of economic progress (or more depressingly, the effects of what seems like an increased level of Muslim fundamentalism in Indonesia).Could we bump this discussion to the general thread please? As far as I know the Bangkok thread is for posting mongering reports in Bangkok, and the general thread is for discussions like what you guys are talking about here. I would like to recommend to all mongers to start and use services like We Chat, Skout, Tango, and Badoo. Thai girls are moving away from surfing the net on a computer or notebooks. The mobile internet is where it's at here. These services have location based searches and many of the girls are looking for pay for play but you can even find freebies. Search and chat, you have nothing to lose. Recently you can read about my report of finding extremely good ladies working in the massage parlours on we chat. Shop before you go in. Saves you walking to all the shops and striking deals for services. If you can do it beforehand it will save you aggravation in the shop. Freebies are well worth the time of searching. One of these cuties I spent 7 days with fucking and sucking. I suggest ditch the Thai friendlies, Date in Asia's, Thai Cupids, and son on. These are all just a waste of time. The naked girl in the picture is a 23 year old student. She agreed to come to my condo dressed in her students uniform. The real sexy one with the short black skirt and the tight white collar shirt. We had a 2 hour session and she asked for only taxi and 1000 THB. I gave her 2000, it was well worth it. So a mix of freebies and pay for play. Who needs the dating sites now! If you look in the photo gallery you will see two young and beautiful and sexy girls who all came from these mobile app based services. Happy mongering guys and feel free to PM over the weekend. I'm on a four day holiday of getting into trouble and I will be moving to Pattaya for the weekend if anyone wants to meet up. We chat will be my best friend this weekend and it already was today.
Member #4698
12-11-14, 14:52
As prices continue to increase mongers will slowly fade away when their cost threshold is reached. We all have one. That will change the scene even more and will continue to effect the number of girls in the business.
I don't think the Chinese will ever come here in masses for mongering. The laws of economics dictate that at some point higher prices will affect demand, but of all the labor markets in the world, P4 P is the most ineleastic because it offers few substitutes and men NEED to get laid. Thus, "if the labor demand curve is very inelastic (steep), an increase in wages (prices) will have a very small negative effect on the quantity of labor employed (demand for girls) and will have a very large positive effect on total labour income. The elasticity of the labor demand curve depends on the size of the substitution and scale effects. ".
In other words, where you going to go? Prices for play are going up in every Asian and South American watering hole. Thailand is not unique in this. I believe the price increase is mainly due to increased demand and because the suppliers understand they can get away with it. The supply of girls is also a factor in Thailand for sure, but I don't think it is the dominant one. Prices are on the rise in AC, Philippines and Jakarta, Indonesia too for example. The question is: how high can prices go before it has a dramatic impact on demand? And the answer is I do not know. So far demand for girls in Thailand AND the Philippines has continued to increase despite the increases in prices and in the case of the PI the continued increase in supply of girls into the P4 P labor market. This is a clear sign of inelastic demand. Do you want to see the future? Take a look at Macau. Sauna prices are sky high. A session with a model category Chinese girl at Rio costs just under $300 US and yet there are still plenty of mostly Northern Asian customers. I firmly believe only a world wide depression will change the dynamics at play here and around the world. Price is going up everywhere. Save your money and pay up or marry a local beeitch in your home country and be unhappy.
The difference between China, Korea, PI & LOS is in the first three prostitution is illegal while in LOS it is legal. ...........Prostitution is not legal in LOS. It's just that the laws are not enforced.
Crocodilexp
12-11-14, 15:40
The laws of economics dictate that at some point higher prices will affect demand, but of all the labor markets in the world, P4P is the most ineleastic because it offers few substitutes and men NEED to get laid.
Demand for P4P is not as inelastic as you think. It's not healthcare, where you have to pay what is charged or die. Men may well have a strong urge to get laid, but triple the prices, and there will be much fewer tourists going to Pattaya twice a year getting laid 3 times per day, or sexpats geting laid twice a week. Instead, they'll sharply reduce consumption, as they do in western countries.
Prices are only one factor making Thailand a favored P4P destination. Other factors are wide availability, the fun scene, good service and the unique open-ended GFE arrangements. All are going down the drain, and might be mostly gone within a few years. There are places where P4P is cheaper than Thailand, but few people travel there for sex.
Member #4591
12-11-14, 15:52
Guys, with all due respect. If one opens the photo thread and does not see photos, what's the point? If one opens the Bangkok reports thread and reads debates about population ratio and not mongering in BKK, what's the point? Bump this topic please and thanks. Anyways, after my adventure today at Boss massage I walked by the shop beside Boss amd wow! Many younger girls 23-25 were all dressed in the sexy Thai school girl uniforms. Next on my list when I return on Monday for sure! I think I will pass by Climax tonight amd grab a BKK FL before my Pattaya trip. Love this place. Always a great selection of hotties amd the staff are great. Would recommend it to all who want to pick up FL pay for play. Last time I was there I found such an adorable cute pie, 24 years old. Took her back to my place and she was trying to blow me in the taxi. It took all my strength to hold her off until I reached my place. Ok reports will come on Monday and I hope to have some new photos as well.
ActionOriented
12-11-14, 16:36
Guys, with all due respect. If one opens the photo thread and does not see photos, what's the point? If one opens the Bangkok reports thread and reads debates about population ratio and not mongering in BKK, what's the point? Bump this topic please and thanks. Anyways, after my adventure today at Boss massage I walked by the shop beside Boss amd wow! Many younger girls 23-25 were all dressed in the sexy Thai school girl uniforms. Next on my list when I return on Monday for sure! I think I will pass by Climax tonight amd grab a BKK FL before my Pattaya trip. Love this place. Always a great selection of hotties amd the staff are great. Would recommend it to all who want to pick up FL pay for play. Last time I was there I found such an adorable cute pie, 24 years old. Took her back to my place and she was trying to blow me in the taxi. It took all my strength to hold her off until I reached my place. Ok reports will come on Monday and I hope to have some new photos as well.If you head to Climax, please give an update on the rates. Last I went in there, all of the three stunners I could spot barked out outrageous sums. ST at 3000 and LT at 5000! I decided not to take anyone instead took a SW. I do hope some kind of pricing logic returns to Climax, if at all there was any.
Prostitution is not legal in LOS. It's just that the laws are not enforced.This has been discussed at length before if you care to search the forum, complete with quotes, references & links to the penal code itself. There's also this more recent post by a lawyer:
OMB! How many times does it have to be repeated? Prostitution is NOT illegal in Thailand. Certain elements that go together with some forms of prostitution (but not prostitution itself) are punishable (many have only very low fines), such as soliciting on the street, creating a nuisance, pimping, under-age sex, . . .
And the "buyer" side of the business is totally legal, as young as you respect the age limits.Or you could simply refer to Wikipedia which formerly said it was illegal in its opening statement, but no more:
"Prostitution is not strictly illegal in Thailand, though solicitation and public nuisance laws are in effect".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Thailand
Not illegal. End of story.
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Jose Marcia
12-11-14, 17:52
The generally acceptable and reasonable rates are 2,500 B (ST) and 4,000 B (LT).
If you need something special, buy a drink for the waiter. He will point you in the right direction.
I was in BKK two weeks ago and stayed there for one week. Went to Climax 3 times and the waiter would take me around, would introduce me to about 5/6 girls, and then I will come back. Three months ago, I met a 24 YO Colombian girl in Cancun. She was great to be with! When she found out that I was going to BKK, she showed very high interest. I got an airline ticket for her. She enjoys watching her partner having sex a girl and I enjoyed watching her with another girl. After the waiter would show me the girls, I would come back, take her around and show her the girls. I preferred young girls with cute faces, but she preferred ones with curvy body. We would pick the mutually agreed girl, drink a lot, dance a lot, and the money part never came up. Twice, we picked one girl and once, we picked two girls. Two stayed ST and two stayed LT. I gave each one the amount as I stated above. None ever counted the money!
Two things I want to mention that I do not think, on this board, I ever came across!
1. TOO MUCH SEX CAN CAUSE UTI: Just an hour before leaving, I felt lots of pain in my testicles and bladder. Went to Pharmacist, told her everything, and she gave me Cipro. Along with some pain killer. Back home, I went for tests, and it came out UTI. This E Coli bacteria is not only resistant to Cipro but also to several other antibiotics. I am 56 YO!
2. On all of my trips, I always keep my webcam on. Using Picasa3. I place a black electrical tape on the light and no one can notice the webcam on. 24 hour video takes only 4-6 GB space. Any laptop contains that much space to manage one week worth of trip video. In case of any mishap, I can go back and check the video. Luckily, no mishap happened ever. On the other hand, I always came home with a nice sex video.
The difference between China, Korea, PI & LOS is in the first three prostitution is illegal while in LOS it is legal. Earlier this month in Canada, BTW, it became illegal to buy sex. Before that it was legal. So expect even more Canadians to travel abroad for their fun.
Unlike expensive first world South Korea, LOS is a very poor country & third world. Like Japan the sex industry there is rather closed to foreigners. So for a number of reasons South Korea is not appealing to the multitudes of hobbyists looking for value & bang for their buck. But Thailand is, has been for a very long time & should continue to be.
According to the following opinion South Korea has the second most PFP gals per capita than anywhere in the world.
http://globaldiscussion.net/topic/1442-countries-with-the-most-prostitutes/Korea's P4 P was very open to foreigners before the olympics. It was the foreign scene they cracked down upon, not the local scene. If a widespread crackdown occurs here, I suspect it will be the same. Korea was a developing country at one point as well.
Prostitution is not legal in LOS. It's just that the laws are not enforced.It actually is legal, but all forms of solicitation are not. And the definition of solicitation can be interpreted in different ways depending on what suits the boys in brown that day.
From 2006 to 2013 the top 6 Western countries all increased their numbers. Australia & France roughly doubled their arrivals to LOS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_ThailandDude, most of those are folks seeking a cheap beach holiday, not mongers. Have you seen all the fat Western women here these days?
Could we bump this discussion to the general thread please? As far as I know the Bangkok thread is for posting mongering reports in Bangkok, and the general thread is for discussions like what you guys are talking about here. I would like to recommend to all mongers to start and use services like We Chat, Skout, Tango, and Badoo. Thai girls are moving away from surfing the net on a computer or notebooks. The mobile internet is where it's at here. These services have location based searches and many of the girls are looking for pay for play but you can even find freebies. Search and chat, you have nothing to lose. Recently you can read about my report of finding extremely good ladies working in the massage parlours on we chat. Shop before you go in. Saves you walking to all the shops and striking deals for services. If you can do it beforehand it will save you aggravation in the shop. Freebies are well worth the time of searching. One of these cuties I spent 7 days with fucking and sucking. I suggest ditch the Thai friendlies, Date in Asia's, Thai Cupids, and son on. These are all just a waste of time. The naked girl in the picture is a 23 year old student. She agreed to come to my condo dressed in her students uniform. The real sexy one with the short black skirt and the tight white collar shirt. We had a 2 hour session and she asked for only taxi and 1000 THB. I gave her 2000, it was well worth it. So a mix of freebies and pay for play. Who needs the dating sites now! If you look in the photo gallery you will see two young and beautiful and sexy girls who all came from these mobile app based services. Happy mongering guys and feel free to PM over the weekend. I'm on a four day holiday of getting into trouble and I will be moving to Pattaya for the weekend if anyone wants to meet up. We chat will be my best friend this weekend and it already was today.Sounds good, but also sounds like a lot of effort!
Jose Marcia
12-11-14, 19:02
The generally acceptable and reasonable rates are 2,500 B (ST) and 4,000 B (LT).
If you need something special, buy a drink for the waiter. He will point you in the right direction.
I was in BKK two weeks ago and stayed there for one week. Went to Climax 3 times and the waiter would take me around, would introduce me to about 5/6 girls, and then I will come back. Three months ago, I met a 24 YO Colombian girl in Cancun. She was great to be with! When she found out that I was going to BKK, she showed very high interest. I got an airline ticket for her. She enjoys watching her partner having sex a girl and I enjoyed watching her with another girl. After the waiter would show me the girls, I would come back, take her around and show her the girls. I preferred young girls with cute faces, but she preferred ones with curvy body. We would pick the mutually agreed girl, drink a lot, dance a lot, and the money part never came up. Twice, we picked one girl and once, we picked two girls. Two stayed ST and two stayed LT. I gave each one the amount as I stated above. None ever counted the money!
Two things I want to mention that I do not think, on this board, I ever came across!
1. TOO MUCH SEX CAN CAUSE UTI: Just an hour before leaving, I felt lots of pain in my testicles and bladder. Went to Pharmacist, told her everything, and she gave me Cipro. Along with some pain killer. Back home, I went for tests, and it came out UTI. This E Coli bacteria is not only resistant to Cipro but also to several other antibiotics. I am 56 YO!
2. On all of my trips, I always keep my webcam on. Using Picasa3. I place a black electrical tape on the light and no one can notice the webcam on. 24 hour video takes only 4-6 GB space. Any laptop contains that much space to manage one week worth of trip video. In case of any mishap, I can go back and check the video. Luckily, no mishap happened ever. On the other hand, I always came home with a nice sex video.
Could we bump this discussion to the general thread please? As far as I know the Bangkok thread is for posting mongering reports in Bangkok, and the general thread is for discussions like what you guys are talking about here. I would like to recommend to all mongers to start and use services like We Chat, Skout, Tango, and Badoo. Thai girls are moving away from surfing the net on a computer or notebooks. The mobile internet is where it's at here. These services have location based searches and many of the girls are looking for pay for play but you can even find freebies. Search and chat, you have nothing to lose. Recently you can read about my report of finding extremely good ladies working in the massage parlours on we chat. Shop before you go in. Saves you walking to all the shops and striking deals for services. If you can do it beforehand it will save you aggravation in the shop. Freebies are well worth the time of searching. One of these cuties I spent 7 days with fucking and sucking. I suggest ditch the Thai friendlies, Date in Asia's, Thai Cupids, and son on. These are all just a waste of time. The naked girl in the picture is a 23 year old student. She agreed to come to my condo dressed in her students uniform. The real sexy one with the short black skirt and the tight white collar shirt. We had a 2 hour session and she asked for only taxi and 1000 THB. I gave her 2000, it was well worth it. So a mix of freebies and pay for play. Who needs the dating sites now! If you look in the photo gallery you will see two young and beautiful and sexy girls who all came from these mobile app based services. Happy mongering guys and feel free to PM over the weekend. I'm on a four day holiday of getting into trouble and I will be moving to Pattaya for the weekend if anyone wants to meet up. We chat will be my best friend this weekend and it already was today.Yes it is just terrible that I had the audacity to post a report about the pricing of the oilies in Bangkok, the soapies in Bangkok, and the go-gos in Bangkok as well as the quality of the girls in Bangkok in the Bangkok thread. I should have known the Bangkok thread is for posts about We Chat, Skout, Tango, and Badoo. My bad.
If you head to Climax, please give an update on the rates. Last I went in there, all of the three stunners I could spot barked out outrageous sums. ST at 3000 and LT at 5000! I decided not to take anyone instead took a SW. I do hope some kind of pricing logic returns to Climax, if at all there was any.I was in Climax Mon & Tue nights of this week, on both nights I paid 3 k LT. However on both occasions the girl left quite early, about 8 am. I was staying President Palace on Soi11 so Climax was convenient. I also checked out Insomnia but no girls took my fancy there.
If you head to Climax, please give an update on the rates. Last I went in there, all of the three stunners I could spot barked out outrageous sums. ST at 3000 and LT at 5000! I decided not to take anyone instead took a SW. I do hope some kind of pricing logic returns to Climax, if at all there was any.I was last week 1 evening in Climax. I toke a girl back to my hotel LT. She asked 2500 be Body was fine, no kids. Face was so so.
But she was fun. Little crazy in the head. Maybe on drugs, who knows. She stayed till 3 pm. So really LT!
Her name was May. 22 yo.
I came in quit late, around midnight. Many girls already drunk, quite a seedy atmosphere in my opinion.
Also few real stunners, more girl next door types and most girls older 30-35. Probably with kiddies.
What's a good time to hit the club's for FL?
I was in Climax Mon & Tue nights of this week, on both nights I paid 3 k LT. However on both occasions the girl left quite early, about 8 am. I was staying President Palace on Soi11 so Climax was convenient. I also checked out Insomnia but no girls took my fancy there.
JokerInter
12-12-14, 00:50
Anyone know who the fat guy is that sits just before the entrance.
Member #4591
12-12-14, 01:31
Yes it is just terrible that I had the audacity to post a report about the pricing of the oilies in Bangkok, the soapies in Bangkok, and the go-gos in Bangkok as well as the quality of the girls in Bangkok in the Bangkok thread. I should have known the Bangkok thread is for posts about We Chat, Skout, Tango, and Badoo. My bad.Shame on me for wanting the forum to contain reports instead of debating about the prices, population ratios and so on. Sorry for complaining but I always try to include some kind of report of my actual mongering activities in the Bangkok thread. Pricing has been debated and discussed time and time again. Sorry but this is my wish for the forum. I hope more of us could try and respect the forum organization. It will only make this a better place to pull information from. More discussion based topics In my mind should be in the general thread. I mean no disrespect and sorry if I offended you my fellow ISG Brother. Happy mongering. At risk of contradicting myself I will get back to my climax girl who is now waking up for her morning session. Peace out!
Climax remains just an after hours place. Like Thermae used to be years ago so Climax is now.
Its not some wonder place where good girls go to be bad. Its the place where the whole of Sukhumvits P4 P girls go if they want extra money.
So when the massage places, bars, karaoke places all shut down for the night so the amount of girls in Climax goes up.
They know this is desperation central for lots of tourists / mongers, late at night, looking for sex, bars closing. Last chance of the night to find something if they do not want to go back to their room with only their right hand as company. So they will ask for higher than they were getting paid for sex earlier in the day at their normal places.
2000 baht short time (or overnight if she wants to sleep and go home in the morning) is all you should be paying. They should not get any extra for just sleeping in a nice AC room with a nice bed and then leaving in the morning.
Talking of Bangkok girls and over expectation and overcharging. This is a very true read.
http://singlemansparadise.com/why-im-tired-of-dating-bangkok-girls/
LittleBigMan
12-12-14, 02:13
Korea's P4 P was very open to foreigners before the olympics. It was the foreign scene they cracked down upon, not the local scene. If a widespread crackdown occurs here, I suspect it will be the same. Korea was a developing country at one point as well.Yea that was the good old days before the O Games! I took my last trip in May of 1986, because my cousin from H. K. Said it will never be the same. But I never miss Korea, I never really care for the women or men in particular and that is in general.
I had much better times in China before it open up and haven't been inside China since the O-Games but I heard in general too that after the O-games it is not the same?
What's a good time to hit the club's for FL?I'd say from 11 pm onwards, pretty quiet before then.
JokerInter
12-12-14, 03:18
I tried Dr. BJ Naru for the first time Wednesday, early around 1130 am. I was walking by and decided to try it. Only had 3 girls but all for good. I choose 36, Aeye, and had a great.
Time. I think for 2000 bt its not bad for a go to place. Might stop by today also.
Yesterday from the BTS platform I saw one of the girls walking out to the street and she still had her number on. She was kinda thick but I got to go back for that. I would go back there than rather waste my time at Annies again.
Location Soi 7 alley right next to BTS Nana.
ActionOriented
12-12-14, 03:21
Anyone know who the fat guy is that sits just before the entrance.I have wondered that as well. I have seen the fat dude every time I have visited, he sits near the entrance having beer and chatting up the waitresses and the security guy, never seen him inside Bacarra though. Perhaps he has got bored with time.
Yea that was the good old days before the O Games! I took my last trip in May of 1986, because my cousin from H. K. Said it will never be the same. But I never miss Korea, I never really care for the women or men in particular and that is in general.
I had much better times in China before it open up and haven't been inside China since the O-Games but I heard in general too that after the O-games it is not the same?Last year China cracked down on Chong Ping and Dongguan. Very little left there. Wonder why these nations have become so anti-woman?
JokerInter
12-12-14, 05:57
I have wondered that as well. I have seen the fat dude every time I have visited, he sits near the entrance having beer and chatting up the waitresses and the security guy, never seen him inside Bacarra though. Perhaps he has got bored with time.He tried to get me to buy a beer once before so that I could go in. I wonder if he is some kind of man waitress who gets tips when people buy drinks. Saw him there the other day.
I sat outside on purpose to observe his actions while I had some beers. Seems as though he approves the guest going to the bouncer at the door. They both got some scam going.
On. Sometimes observing other people is more interesting than listen to the girls try to hustle you. Anyway. Bangkok what a place.
I have often found myself going to afterskool on Soi cowboy. Beers are not bad compared to other GoGo's and you can have alot of finger play with the girls.
LittleBigMan
12-12-14, 08:42
Last year China cracked down on Chong Ping and Dongguan. Very little left there. Wonder why these nations have become so anti-woman?I remember going to Shenzhen (Lo Wu?) from H. K. On the Train late 80's - 90's and when I got off there barely was a station. Going through Immigration it was scary the soldiers stared at us and when the guy saw my passport he threw it back at me. I stuck to my cousin from H. K. Who spoke the language like white on rice. The roads weren't even paved instead it was all dirt and mud. The buses were all run down no A/C there were cars on the road you could see were stolen from the States they still had California plates on them. We basically went there to find girls who register with Marriage agencies for foreigner. We pick them out of a book a few minutes later they showed up and we go out for dinner and had sex later it was cheap and easy. Today you get the same thing on the computer. Each year I went back the place got bigger and bigger so we move to the next town called something like Bogut? It was a small town that my cousin knew the Governor, Mayor, Chief of police, etc. They had one hotel only and we went to hair salons to pick up girls and told them to meet us for dinner with the Governor, Mayor etc. After we went drinking and back to the hotel. Once a girl came back to the hotel and said she couldn't stay she was all nervous and stuff I couldn't understand but found out later the Hotel was to be raided? But then when leaving she ran into the Chief of Police who we had dinner earlier and he told her nothing to worry about. First time, the Chief picked us up with a old Volks Fox. Year after year I visited his car got better and the last time it was a Benz. Year after year it got better those were the good old days not sure what it is like now?
Mumbai Guy
12-12-14, 09:32
Has anyone tried the Bangkok Gold escort service? They seem to have pretty girls in their lineup atleast on their gallery page. I am thinking of trying one. In case anyone has a better suggestion please let me know. I am looking for overnight option.
Cheers. MG.
Has anyone tried the Bangkok Gold escort service? They seem to have pretty girls in their lineup atleast on their gallery page. I am thinking of trying one. In case anyone has a better suggestion please let me know. I am looking for overnight option.
Cheers. MG.There is an Escorts thread.
The laws of economics dictate that at some point higher prices will affect demand, but of all the labor markets in the world, P4 P is the most ineleastic because it offers few substitutes and men NEED to get laid. Thus, "if the labor demand curve is very inelastic (steep), an increase in wages (prices) will have a very small negative effect on the quantity of labor employed (demand for girls) and will have a very large positive effect on total labour income. The elasticity of the labor demand curve depends on the size of the substitution and scale effects. ".
In other words, where you going to go? Prices for play are going up in every Asian and South American watering hole. Thailand is not unique in this. I believe the price increase is mainly due to increased demand and because the suppliers understand they can get away with it. The supply of girls is also a factor in Thailand for sure, but I don't think it is the dominant one. Prices are on the rise in AC, Philippines and Jakarta, Indonesia too for example. The question is: how high can prices go before it has a dramatic impact on demand? And the answer is I do not know. So far demand for girls in Thailand AND the Philippines has continued to increase despite the increases in prices and in the case of the PI the continued increase in supply of girls into the P4 P labor market. This is a clear sign of inelastic demand. Do you want to see the future? Take a look at Macau. Sauna prices are sky high. A session with a model category Chinese girl at Rio costs just under $300 US and yet there are still plenty of mostly Northern Asian customers. I firmly believe only a world wide depression will change the dynamics at play here and around the world. Price is going up everywhere. Save your money and pay up or marry a local beeitch in your home country and be unhappy.
This may be partly true but I don't know a guy who lives here who hasn't cut back on going to the gogos because the prices have and continue to rise. People have budgets for girls like everything else and if you have to decide between eating and paying the rent or decreasing the number of girls you have per month the choice is a pretty obvious one. Now for guys who fly half way around the world and have saved up for their vacation this may be more true but I also know a bunch of guys who refused to pay more than 1000 baht for FL's and have been priced out of the market and go to the Philippines or Cambodia now. For me the idea of paying 3000 baht for a FL at Climax is crazy but that is what a lot of the girls are asking. I won't pay it. Or pay 2500 for a gogo girl with the BF for as little time as they can get away with. I am slowly being priced out of the market. Guys have to get laid but they can get laid a lot less if necessary. At some price point when you factor in airline and hotel cost, it will be cheaper to get laid at home. But admittedly a lot less fun.
Back in the early 90's I used to go to Brazil a lot where the price for a girl in Help disco was about $30. Then they got their currency under control and the next time I went the price had gone up to between $80 and $100. I stopped going. I discovered the Dominican Republic where girls were $30. So as I found out did a lot of other guys who used to go to Brazil. People do find other options when they feel the price of getting laid has gotten too high.
I have no data other than what a few girls have told me but since the depreciation of the Yen a lot of Japanese are getting much more price sensitive and beginning to bargain. One Japanese friend has complained to me that it is getting expensive for him to go to gogos where he is also hit by large bar tabs. He is no longer coming every month like he did before.
He is French and he is a good friend of the French owner.
He is kind of a door ***** (but maybe more in a positive way).
If he think you are OK and will buy a drink inside he will say you are good to go. Most of the the time he will try to get you a drink before entering.
Probably because a lot of guys go inside and only look for some minutes and go away. It's a business thing I guess.
The guy is actually quite nice if you get to know him a little bit.
I do agree with you that observing people is more interesting than interacting with sometimes very boring girls.
Bangkok what a place! I agree to.
Have a good time!
He tried to get me to buy a beer once before so that I could go in. I wonder if he is some kind of man waitress who gets tips when people buy drinks. Saw him there the other day.
I sat outside on purpose to observe his actions while I had some beers. Seems as though he approves the guest going to the bouncer at the door. They both got some scam going.
On. Sometimes observing other people is more interesting than listen to the girls try to hustle you. Anyway. Bangkok what a place.
I have often found myself going to afterskool on Soi cowboy. Beers are not bad compared to other GoGo's and you can have alot of finger play with the girls.
Korea's P4 P was very open to foreigners before the olympics. It was the foreign scene they cracked down upon, not the local scene. If a widespread crackdown occurs here, I suspect it will be the same. Korea was a developing country at one point as well.I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for LOS to have the Olympics, a widespread crackdown, make PFP illegal or become a first world nation. Unless you can hold it for at least a few decades.
Well before then I'll probably have advanced out of this world, so what happens in the business in the country will be of no concern to me. Even now my interest in returning is at an all time low, as IME personally the value in going there continues to diminish. Nothing to do with prices which in my area have not changed since 2007. Still, Siam remains a rock hard top of the world destination for single guys looking for the best bang for their buck. As solid as they come.
Dude, most of those are folks seeking a cheap beach holiday, not mongers. Have you seen all the fat Western women here these days?It must be tough for undesirable Canadian ladies these days, with buying sex becoming illegal on December 6 of this year. Canada followed a number of other Western nations that enacted similar laws not long ago. Which means cha ching for LOS.
It must be tough for undesirable Canadian ladies these days, with buying sex becoming illegal on December 6 of this year. Canada followed a number of other Western nations that enacted similar laws not long ago. Which means cha ching for LOS.Most folks cannot afford to go to LOS, but as a Canadian you can go to Cuba! There is also the DR, Mexico, Costa Rica, and South America.
This may be partly true but I don't know a guy who lives here who hasn't cut back on going to the gogos because the prices have and continue to rise. People have budgets for girls like everything else and if you have to decide between eating and paying the rent or decreasing the number of girls you have per month the choice is a pretty obvious one. Now for guys who fly half way around the world and have saved up for their vacation this may be more true but I also know a bunch of guys who refused to pay more than 1000 baht for FL's and have been priced out of the market and go to the Philippines or Cambodia now. For me the idea of paying 3000 baht for a FL at Climax is crazy but that is what a lot of the girls are asking. I won't pay it. Or pay 2500 for a gogo girl with the BF for as little time as they can get away with. I am slowly being priced out of the market. Guys have to get laid but they can get laid a lot less if necessary. At some price point when you factor in airline and hotel cost, it will be cheaper to get laid at home. But admittedly a lot less fun.
Back in the early 90's I used to go to Brazil a lot where the price for a girl in Help disco was about $30. Then they got their currency under control and the next time I went the price had gone up to between $80 and $100. I stopped going. I discovered the Dominican Republic where girls were $30. So as I found out did a lot of other guys who used to go to Brazil. People do find other options when they feel the price of getting laid has gotten too high.
I have no data other than what a few girls have told me but since the depreciation of the Yen a lot of Japanese are getting much more price sensitive and beginning to bargain. One Japanese friend has complained to me that it is getting expensive for him to go to gogos where he is also hit by large bar tabs. He is no longer coming every month like he did before.With you DRRonin. No way I am paying that kind of money in Climax or anywhere. Yep, I have cut back for sure. I hit the oilies once a week these days. Used to hit the FL scene three or four times a week. Price was 1 k baht and that was 25 USD back then. Now 2500? Forget it. That was almost 3ST a few years back. Yep, the Japs are a bit more reluctant to spend these days.
Most of us moved over here to live well on a modest sum. And to have great gals for very little. Sad that both are disappearing. Funny how the "fun" factor decreases as the price increases. I don't know a any guys who think it is more fun now than it was 10-15 years ago. None.
I won't pay it. Or pay 2500 for a gogo girl with the BF for as little time as they can get away with. I am slowly being priced out of the market. Guys have to get laid but they can get laid a lot less if necessary. At some price point when you factor in airline and hotel cost, it will be cheaper to get laid at home. But admittedly a lot less fun.
There are people like me who are half way in between an expat and a tourist. I am not retired and do not expect to be for at least another 10 years. However I live in Thailand approx. 4 months per year in total, flying in and out several times per year. Studied Thai Language over 20 years ago so pretty fluent now. Have a Thai GF (who doesn't speak English) for many years now and still stunning body, but not enough sex. So am probably looking for a liaison every 2nd day, on average. I rent by the month, but sometimes stay in Hotel just a few days to spend time with a regular "Gik".
Does not bother me to pay 3 K total for 2 hour session, when the quality is there. Its not that large an amount of money for someone in a well paid OS job. Okay I could get away with 2300 Baht maybe at an Oily including all fees, but the girls are generally too plain looking, so its difficult for me to find someone I really like a lot. All my major Oily favourites disappeared. Right now I am utilising mostly just a few regular girls that are known good performers for me, and far more pretty than average. Its possible to meet some outside and avoid shop fees or Bar Fines too (on occasions). Rock bottom prices are far less important to me than the quality of the girls looks. If I needed low prices, obviously I could try Pattaya, or Phnom Penh.
This stay in Thailand has been 2 weeks already, but only tonight did I finally try a new girl, not done before. Was a front of house PR girl at Crazy House. Pretty faced light skinned slim Laos girl. Others girls were quick to gossip to her about me, like what size is my dick, what I like doing, etc. This is very normal in all bars, Oilies etc. You don't get to have any secrets. If you get a bad reputation, many girls will shun you. Turned out she was quite reasonable fun on the bed, better than most CH girls. Was funny she did not want to kiss anymore after I had DATYed her pussy to fairly quick orgasm. Cost was well over 3 K if add up BF, girl and a few drinks. So its not economical of course. I am better off to with one of my regulars who is porn star quality and GFE on the bed and sends me to heaven and more.
I had to laugh when I saw Japanese guy walking with a "girl" who looked like a plastic alien to me (actually a LB I guess). Don't know where she came from. Perhaps Cockatoo. It amazes me how different is my taste to some Asian customers. They probably would not even consider my Laos girl, even though very pretty face. On the other hand Crazy House is popular with Japanese and Koreans too. I guess its a different group to the ones that visit Baccarat, Shark, and Cockatoo.
I see myself as gradually visiting sex establishments less and less, certainly not daily, and just meeting up with known girls. Very stuck on one favourite right now. When one girl is really just too good, it makes it hard to build the enthusiasm to keep trying others. She makes me think seriously if I have the wrong GF of course. I have also dropped off one semi-favourite who was very good on the bed but whose looks and personality were just a bit behind others. Girls have to be very special now to hold my long term interest, but I don't get bored with super girls. I prefer older girls in age group 26 to 35, with just a bit more maturity and experience, and not too silly hopefully, and still with nice slim body. Doesn't bother me if they have a child, as long as has not wrecked their body completely.
I seriously think there is a big mismatch between expats on a very tight budget and sex tourists. I feel closer to the tourist types, as not penny pinching, however know where things are and don't have immense time to waste looking for girls. I also don't quite understand when some guys want to spend big money on Hotels of course, just to lie in a bed. Discos are virtually out of the question for me, and I really hate discos like Spicey (as a very bad music quality example).
There should be separate forums ideally for tourists and expats. There was an expats forum created and unfortunately no one wants to use it I believe.
Most folks cannot afford to go to LOS, but as a Canadian you can go to Cuba! There is also the DR, Mexico, Costa Rica, and South America.The folks who cannot afford to go to LOS are generally unable to afford to engage in the hobby either. Those who can afford to hobby can afford to go to LOS because it is so cheap to stay & partake there.
After a few days you've already saved so much from the cheap LOS poontang relative to Canada that it has covered the cost of your extra expenses like airfare. After that it's like getting sex for free. As a bonus, you also get no criminal record with disastrous consequences.
The average Canadian salary is about 45,000 dollars a year. How much is an economy class round trip to LOS from Canada these days, a mere 1000? Or the other places you mention?
LOS aside, the problem with the places you mention is not many mongers have an interest in going to most of them. Even the most popular of the group, South America, is quite far from Canada & several regular contributers here are not impressed with its present state of decline. They prefer Thailand.
Generally speaking Latin or Hispanic countries have issues like being relatively dangerous and a greater need for the punter to speak the lingo. Therefore, besides Thaksinland, I'd rather choose Australia, Singapore, Germany or the Netherlands.
Almost every pic or vid of Mexican PFP chicks I've seen I wouldn't do if they were paying me. I doubt DR, CR or Cubans would be much better. I prefer Thais, VN or PRC.
LittleBigMan
12-13-14, 01:43
I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for LOS to have the Olympics, a widespread crackdown, make PFP illegal or become a first world nation. Unless you can hold it for at least a few decades.
Well before then I'll probably have advanced out of this world, so what happens in the business in the country will be of no concern to me. Even now my interest in returning is at an all time low, as IME personally the value in going there continues to diminish. Nothing to do with prices which in my area have not changed since 2007. Still, Siam remains a rock hard top of the world destination for single guys looking for the best bang for their buck. As solid as they come.I agree, in my life time there will be no Olympics here! Too much corruption here the big difference the left hand has not idea what the right hand is doing? And there is the territory issue. But they do like to dream and talk! Recently because one of their cyclist won a medal at the Asian games? Some official claim they were holding next year Tour De France in Thailand. The can't even fix a road or understand how to direct traffic here! But of course if they knew and could we would be priced out?
The folks who cannot afford to go to LOS are generally unable to afford to engage in the hobby either. Those who can afford to hobby can afford to go to LOS because it is so cheap to stay & partake there.
After a few days you've already saved so much from the cheap LOS poontang relative to Canada that it has covered the cost of your extra expenses like airfare. After that it's like getting sex for free. As a bonus, you also get no criminal record with disastrous consequences.
The average Canadian salary is about 45,000 dollars a year. How much is an economy class round trip to LOS from Canada these days, a mere 1000? Or the other places you mention?
LOS aside, the problem with the places you mention is not many mongers have an interest in going to most of them. Even the most popular of the group, South America, is quite far from Canada & several regular contributers here are not impressed with its present state of decline. They prefer Thailand.
Generally speaking Latin or Hispanic countries have issues like being relatively dangerous and a greater need for the punter to speak the lingo. Therefore, besides Thaksinland, I'd rather choose Australia, Singapore, Germany or the Netherlands.
Almost every pic or vid of Mexican PFP chicks I've seen I wouldn't do if they were paying me. I doubt DR, CR or Cubans would be much better. I prefer Thais, VN or PRC.Huh? I know lots of dudes who would rather go to S American than SE Asia. It is all a matter of taste. I would bet you that far more and American mongers stay in the Western Hemisphere as opposed to coming over here. And hey, Spanish is far easier to learn than Thai.
Canada? South America is far closer to most US states than Asia and there is no jet lag.
BTW, right now 1 k, but 6 months ago 1500 USD to come to LOS.
I like Latin girls but do prefer Asian. However that is not the case with everyone.
I seriously think there is a big mismatch between expats on a very tight budget and sex tourists. I feel closer to the tourist types, as not penny pinching, however know where things are and don't have immense time to waste looking for girls. I also don't quite understand when some guys want to spend big money on Hotels of course, just to lie in a bed. Discos are virtually out of the question for me, and I really hate discos like Spicey (as a very bad music quality example).
There should be separate forums ideally for tourists and expats. There was an expats forum created and unfortunately no one wants to use it I believe.Well, as I have stated many times, LOS used to be great value for money when it came to P4 P. You got a pretty good looking enthusiastic gal for 1 k baht ST (25 USD at the time) and 500 baht BF. So for 37 USD you had a pretty damn good time. And gals were plentiful. FLs everywhere, and gogo gals would beg you to take them. Walk by Nana or Cowboy at closing time and you would literally be propositioned by large numbers of girls. "Go with you. " "Go with you. " "Go with you. "It was an amazing amount of fun. I could not wait till the sun went down so I could get out and about. Now, meh! I rarely go out hunting for gals because the scene is so grim. And with the increase in prices the attitudes have taken a tumble. I guess if you pick up a FL at a disco for 2 k and she stays till the next afternoon it is a good deal, but I have a GF and have no interest at all in spending all that "quality time" with a working girl.
I guess when it comes down to it the loss of the "fun" aspect has probably effected the expats I know more than price. Its kind of like going to the car dealer and finding that prices have increased 4 fold yet options have decreased by 50%. And yes, money does have something to do with it. Most of us did not move over here to pay 100 USD or more for a ST. We came over because the gals were cheap and fun. Not to mention living here was very reasonable. Food and rent is still a bargain. Gals not so much. As I have said as the price has increased the attitudes and expectations have as well. In another 10 yrs the P4 P scene here will have high end and low end and very little in the middle.
Amazingly Singapore is quite a bargain when it comes to mongering. Geylang is pretty great these days. No gogos, just houses and FLs walking the streets. Would love to have a legal brothel area in BKK like that.
..., but I have a GF and have no interest at all in spending all that "quality time" with a working girl...That says it all, Goat. Once one has a GF or, perish the thought, a wife, the game is over and the fun is down the toilet.
I have no data other than what a few girls have told me but since the depreciation of the Yen a lot of Japanese are getting much more price sensitive and beginning to bargain. One Japanese friend has complained to me that it is getting expensive for him to go to gogos where he is also hit by large bar tabs. He is no longer coming every month like he did before.Do tell more about the mindset of the Ippun sex tourist.
I just find it hard to believe they are reckless with their money as they are made out to be. Girls like them because they are nicer.
So sad to see some (actually quite a few) whimpering about what they paid 10 years ago to what they pay now.
And hey, Spanish is far easier to learn than Thai.
In my opinion, Thai is not really a difficult language. Okay The vocab has few words in common with English, but there are no grammatical problems, and less idiomatic use of words or expressions than English. The challenge for Thai is learning to pronounce. That dominates the first 6 months. Once the sounds are properly understood, the rest is fairly easy. Thai words do not change, due to grammar. I find languages like French and German to be a lot more difficult than Thai, due to tricky word sequence and mostly grammatical problems. I haven't really studied Spanish so I don't know much about that one. In European languages, when you have to change verbs for making various tenses, know whether nouns are masculine, feminine or neuter and adjective endings have to match case and gender of nouns, that is a difficult language to speak properly. Thai has none of those issues.
The main issue in Thai for me, is purely making the right tone on words, which is just part of learning the word. At least it does not change thankfully.
In English, vowels are pronounced quite differently by different countries. It does not matter. In Thai, this is not possible, and the vowel sounds are significantly different to English. The vowels can only be pronounced one way. The funniest Thai speakers tend to be some Americans as you can hear the American drawl coming through and stretching words longer than they should be, as well as vowels tending to have an American sound instead of Thai sound, which is incorrect. So some have proceeded too far with vocab before getting the pronunciation close to correct. Perhaps they did not have a strict teacher to enforce the correct sounds early. Its easier for Germans to speak Thai as most German vowels are quite close to Thai vowels in sound. Similarly for many other Europeans.
In Thai, pronunciation is everything, grammar is almost nothing. Thai has an alphabet. So learning to write or SMS in Thai is not massively challenging, and only 10% of words have tricky spellings. When read a Thai word, it can be pronounced correctly in more than 95% of cases. It's systematic, unlike English.
Vietnamese is more difficult than Thai due to tricky pronunciation, and I suspect that Khmer is also more difficult. Issaan is also slightly more difficult due to difficulties to correctly understand the tones.
Thai is one of the easier Asian languages excepting of course Indonesian / Malaysian and Tagalog.
Therefore, besides Thaksinland, I'd rather choose Australia, Singapore, Germany or the Netherlands.
WTF? Australia is a totally crap country for mongering, and if you did, you would want to take a Thai or Korean girl anyway. The Australian born Farangs are very bad indeed (98%). Of course Thailand has much better Thai girls than Australia has, due to shear weight of numbers.
In my opinion, Thai is not really a difficult language. Okay The vocab has few words in common with English, but there are no grammatical problems, and less idiomatic use of words or expressions than English. The challenge for Thai is learning to pronounce. That dominates the first 6 months. Once the sounds are properly understood, the rest is fairly easy. Thai words do not change, due to grammar. I find languages like French and German to be a lot more difficult than Thai, due to tricky word sequence and mostly grammatical problems. I haven't really studied Spanish so I don't know much about that one. In European languages, when you have to change verbs for making various tenses, know whether nouns are masculine, feminine or neuter and adjective endings have to match case and gender of nouns, that is a difficult language to speak properly. Thai has none of those issues.
The main issue in Thai for me, is purely making the right tone on words, which is just part of learning the word. At least it does not change thankfully.
In English, vowels are pronounced quite differently by different countries. It does not matter. In Thai, this is not possible, and the vowel sounds are significantly different to English. The vowels can only be pronounced one way. The funniest Thai speakers tend to be some Americans as you can hear the American drawl coming through and stretching words longer than they should be, as well as vowels tending to have an American sound instead of Thai sound, which is incorrect. So some have proceeded too far with vocab before getting the pronunciation close to correct. Perhaps they did not have a strict teacher to enforce the correct sounds early. Its easier for Germans to speak Thai as most German vowels are quite close to Thai vowels in sound. Similarly for many other Europeans.
In Thai, pronunciation is everything, grammar is almost nothing. Thai has an alphabet. So learning to write or SMS in Thai is not massively challenging, and only 10% of words have tricky spellings. When read a Thai word, it can be pronounced correctly in more than 95% of cases. It's systematic, unlike English.
Vietnamese is more difficult than Thai due to tricky pronunciation, and I suspect that Khmer is also more difficult. Issaan is also slightly more difficult due to difficulties to correctly understand the tones.
Thai is one of the easier Asian languages excepting of course Indonesian / Malaysian and Tagalog.Speaking is not that hard, but reading and writing is a chore. I don't think one can really know a language till one can read and write, which means I will never really know Thai. I can speak enough, but feel I am missing out not being able to read. And I love speaking Thai with my Texas accent.
BTW, the main thing I find frustrating is the locals seeming inability to function using context. If a non-English speaker is talking to me and misspeaks a word or two, I can still figure out what he / she is saying. Miss a tone here in LOS and even if the rest of the sentence is dead on, you have lost them. Folks who speak tonal languages process language differently.
Khmer is easy; no tones. Viet is difficult to speak, but using the Roman alphabet makes it easier to read. Being able to pick up the paper and recognize words is a nice thing.
That says it all, Goat. Once one has a GF or, perish the thought, a wife, the game is over and the fun is down the toilet.Actually not really true. I have had a two different girlfriends during my tenure here. Neither has gotten in the way of my "fun. ".
Actually not really true. I have had a two different girlfriends during my tenure here. Neither has gotten in the way of my "fun. ".Does your current GF know about and approve of your extra-curricular "fun"? If so, congratulations and more power to you for beating the game. If not, you are merely delaying the inevitable "game over" scenario and "fun" down the toilet. Just curious; did your break up with GF #1 have anything to do with your "fun?" :)
Do tell more about the mindset of the Ippun sex tourist.
I just find it hard to believe they are reckless with their money as they are made out to be. Girls like them because they are nicer.No great insights here.
I would say more pliable than nice. Many Thai girls have told me that it is very easy to get a Japanese guy to take them shopping. As to price, the Japanese are like everyone else. Some of them are loaded and others are on much tighter budgets (the Thermae guys). One big difference that you will observe between the Japanese and the Farangs is that in general the Japanese are much younger. I would guess that the majority of the Japanese are in their 20's and 30's while most Farangs are 40 and over. So I would have to guess that a lot of these Japanese are not at all wealthy but perhaps live at home and so can save for these sex expeditions. They also tend to come in groups which you rarely see with Farangs. And they often will all BF a girl at the same gogo and go off for a bout of drinking and then sex. This is much more their operating model than ours probably due to the karaoke / nightclub nature of paid sex and after work hours relaxation back home. But I think that they have definitely pushed up the price curve over the past 10 years. There are enough of them to do so. Now they have been able to do this primarily because of a very favorable yen to baht exchange rate and are able to easily justify it because compared to back home it is incredibly cheap. So paying 3000 baht is still a huge bargain for them. But that 3000 baht is costing them a lot more in terms of yen than it did a year ago and I have seen predictions that the yen will continue to lose value as they continue to try and pump up their economy.
Another observation is that if you sit in Big Dog and watch the people come and go you will see a large number of young Japanese guys going out with Ladyboys. I just find this really peculiar and have no idea why. And groups of young Japanese guys doing it together.
As to the girls I have heard girls who like the Japanese because they pay well and cause no trouble and others who much prefer Farangs because they find the Japanese to be very boring and can't communicate with them. Lately I have been hearing complaints from a few girls about the Koreans who can be very rough and nasty apparently and more and more of them are coming to Bangkok.
One night I was sitting in Mandarin and a lone Japanese guy was sitting there and the mamasan came over with a girl. He barely looked up but assented to buying her a drink. They never spoke a word but the mamasan came over a few minutes later and asked him to bf her. He did. To me it was kind of revealing as to how they go about this compared to Farangs. We often look for a connection but for him it was just a transaction. If it didn't work out so what. It didn't cost him much.
I would like to recommend to all mongers to start and use services like We Chat, Skout, Tango, and Badoo. Thai girls are moving away from surfing the net on a computer or notebooks. The mobile internet is where it's at here. These services have location based searches and many of the girls are looking for pay for play but you can even find freebies. Search and chat, you have nothing to lose.
Well, as I have stated many times, LOS used to be great value for money when it came to P4 P. You got a pretty good looking enthusiastic gal for 1 k baht ST (25 USD at the time) and 500 baht BF. So for 37 USD you had a pretty damn good time. And gals were plentiful. FLs everywhere, and gogo gals would beg you to take them. Walk by Nana or Cowboy at closing time and you would literally be propositioned by large numbers of girls. "Go with you. " "Go with you. " "Go with you. "It was an amazing amount of fun. I could not wait till the sun went down so I could get out and about. Now, meh! I rarely go out hunting for gals because the scene is so grim.Goatscrot,
As Bkkdog already pointed out the mobile internet is the place to be these days, more and more. The world has changed and will always change and we have to keep up with that. Although I know how hard that can be for us older gents.
I am quite 'internet savvy' but not really 'mobile internet savvy'. Yesterday I bought my first smart phone, go figure LOL! It will take some time but I'm getting there.
IllusionHeart
12-13-14, 13:38
Amazingly Singapore is quite a bargain when it comes to mongering. Geylang is pretty great these days. No gogos, just houses and FLs walking the streets. Would love to have a legal brothel area in BKK like that.Mate, Basis of my two recent trips (Oct & Nov) and limited experience I don't think Singapore is a bargain. In Geylang best looking girls are generally found at the 150 SGD (approx. 3700 baht) houses and for 1 hour with no BBBJ and DATY definitely is not cheap. Besides the houses in lorongs do need some footwork to be able to find a girl to ones linking. Even the decent SWs on the street don't go for less then 80 SGD excluding room. In both these prices one can easily find a ST and possibly a LT as well in BKK / PYX and a BBBJ if not DATY will be included as well.
In OT girls ask for ST starting at 150 or 200 SGD and with these girls BBJ and DATY is a possibility. This amount gets one a LT in PYX and BKK as well.
Thailand is still much better VFM in my opinion.
Mate, Basis of my two recent trips (Oct & Nov) and limited experience I don't think Singapore is a bargain. In Geylang best looking girls are generally found at the 150 SGD (approx. 3700 baht) houses and for 1 hour with no BBBJ and DATY definitely is not cheap. Besides the houses in lorongs do need some footwork to be able to find a girl to ones linking. Even the decent SWs on the street don't go for less then 80 SGD excluding room. In both these prices one can easily find a ST and possibly a LT as well in BKK / PYX and a BBBJ if not DATY will be included as well.
In OT girls ask for ST starting at 150 or 200 SGD and with these girls BBJ and DATY is a possibility. This amount gets one a LT in PYX and BKK as well.
Thailand is still much better VFM in my opinion.Interesting. I was finding prices at 100 SGD in some houses. 80 SGD is not bad considering 2 k plus 600 baht BF at gogos in BKK. And you have the added bonus of gals from all over SE Asia and PRC.
Goatscrot,
As Bkkdog already pointed out the mobile internet is the place to be these days, more and more. The world has changed and will always change and we have to keep up with that. Although I know how hard that can be for us older gents.
I am quite 'internet savvy' but not really 'mobile internet savvy'. Yesterday I bought my first smart phone, go figure LOL! It will take some time but I'm getting there.Guess if I did not have a GF then I might play that game, but just not really into any type of "*****mancing. " I just want to go, find a gal, do the deed, and leave.
Does your current GF know about and approve of your extra-curricular "fun"? If so, congratulations and more power to you for beating the game. If not, you are merely delaying the inevitable "game over" scenario and "fun" down the toilet. Just curious; did your break up with GF #1 have anything to do with your "fun?" :)Huh? Thailand is the land of compartmentalization. Something that we in the West really don't get. Don't ask don't tell as long as it does not effect the relationship.
First of all I am discreet. I would never invest in a relationship with another gal. I don't take phone numbers nor do I date. My interaction is restricted to sex. I have no interest in other females beyond 90 minutes. I mean FFS so many guys come over here and recreate the exact same situation they had in the states. They find a gal way younger and prettier than they could get back home, stick it in, and in six seconds they are in "love" and promising the gal the same types of things (ie fidelity, eternal love, etc) they would a gal back in the West. Many go on to knock up and even marry these gals. Inevitably the dude gets bored and starts doinking around, but lo an behold his gal stalks him because he promised fidelity. Personally I did not move here to have the same type of relationship that I did in the states. I came here to have my cake and eat it to, which is quite possible as long as you can keep things in perspective and compartmentalize. Your girlfriend is your girlfriend and working girls are working girls.
Secondly my gal and I respect each other's space. She doesn't hound me and I don't hound her. We don't pry. If she were to go out and get laid, so be it; again as long as it does not effect the relationship, no harm no foul. We don't ask each other questions and neither are jealous. Been a very nice 8 years, due to the fact that we have complementary personalities, are both well educated (she has more degrees than I do), are amazingly irreverent, and are both staunch anti-theists. She is also one of the few Thais who does not subscribe to the cult of personality, if you know what I mean.
First gal? To be candid I did not know she was an alcoholic when I met her. The disease progressed. Just was not going to live with that.
WTF? Australia is a totally crap country for mongering, and if you did, you would want to take a Thai or Korean girl anyway. The Australian born Farangs are very bad indeed (98%). Of course Thailand has much better Thai girls than Australia has, due to shear weight of numbers.I've never been anywhere on the Aussie continent. What makes it "crap"?
Unlike Canada it is legal to buy sex in Australia, so no worries about large fines, huge lawyers bills, imprisonment or a criminal record. So I have considered it as a possibly preferable alternate to Canada.
And unlike certain dangerous countries where one needs to learn the lingo, that shouldn't be so much of a problem in English speaking Kangaroo land. One might even survive the experience there alive & without being subjected to the corruption of lesser nations. How much is that worth to you, or do you like to gamble?
Another observation is that if you sit in Big Dog and watch the people come and go you will see a large number of young Japanese guys going out with Ladyboys. I just find this really peculiar and have no idea why. And groups of young Japanese guys doing it together.
Lately I have been hearing complaints from a few girls about the Koreans who can be very rough and nasty apparently and more and more of them are coming to Bangkok.Yep, noticed that. I find it strange as well. Kudos to their sense of perversion!
I have heard the same from some oily gals. The Korean dudes can be quite abusive. They sure are rude on the streets, but some of them have some amazingly hot Korean gals in tow.
ConquerorVal
12-13-14, 16:46
Found this two year old article from teakdoor.com No mention of Asians. Maybe the prof was only interested in farangs.
Thai professor of sociology Sathit Niyomyat, a former assistant dean at the prestigious Thammasat University and the author of numerous studies on gender issues, has published some surprising results following a three-year research project during which she interviewed some 470 local women working in the sex industry.
In an anonymous survey, Thai prostitutes were asked to rank their preferred nationality among foreign clients more than 6,000 of them in total based on a variety of criteria. "We were interested in how demanding they were, the length of sexual activity, consumption of alcohol, behavior and degree of coarseness, and the solvency of sex tourists, based on nationality," Prof. Niyomyat said, as quoted by the Czech tabloid Blesk.
Although Slovaks topped the rankings, followed by the French and Americans, the study points out that doesn't mean they were better lovers than the fifth-ranked Czechs: Thai sex workers have a preference for clients who are non-confrontational, undemanding and quick.
"The least favorite customers are the Swedes. They most often seek painful practices and want sexual intercourse without a condom, often under the influence of alcohol, which prolongs the intercourse and is unpleasant for the girls," Prof. Niyomyat said.
Favorite foreign customers of Thai sex workers.
1. Slovaks (86% rating).
2. French (83%.
3. Americans (74%.
4. Belgians (72%.
5. Czechs (71%.
6. Austrians (64%.
7. Swiss and Dutch (tied at 63 %.
9. Canadians (53%.
10. Danes (49%.
27. Germans (35%.
35. Swedes (17%.
Even the decent SWs on the street don't go for less then 80 SGD excluding room.
Thailand is still much better VFM in my opinion.I've had hot girls in SG for as little as 20 USD, including room. Usually I paid no more than 50 USD all in for FS, etc. Some of them were total knockouts.
Quite a few in Geylang were up for BBBJ, DFK, even BB sex.
A main attraction there for me is the abundance of available white busty and or perfectly slim VN, PRC, etc one cannot get in LOS.
All of this has previously been reported in the Singapore ISG threads.
Should we assume the English are overly demanding and not preferred at all as they are not listed? Not to criticize the report but these girls have great linguistic.
Skills as they can determine between Dutch and German as well as Czechs and Slovaks, Americans and Canadians, (except for the A 's) as well as some other.
Closely related by language countries. Not knocking you, just asking a question.
I would bet you that far more and American mongers stay in the Western Hemisphere as opposed to coming over here. I'd bet more Americans go to Asia and Thailand for PFP than Nevada or Cuba or DR or CR.
And hey, Spanish is far easier to learn than Thai.So I can labour to learn Spanish to have a greater chance of being a victim of crime.
Or I can keep spending half my time in LOS as I have done for years & know about 3 words of Thai.
Canada? South America is far closer to most US states than Asia and there is no jet lag.The subject was Canada. From its North Pole to the freezing tip of South America is, I guess, further & more expensive than to go than from Vancouver to LOS. I never experienced jet lag on such a trip.
I like Latin girls but do prefer Asian. However that is not the case with everyone.To each their own. Apparently Brazil is more expensive than LOS, besides its other deficiences.
WTF? Australia is a totally crap country for mongering, and if you did, you would want to take a Thai or Korean girl anyway.Koreans would be a big incentive to go to Australia. Like having a Japanese who I consider the hottest anywhere. I've had them in Canada when PFP was legal as they used to be quite abundant there. You won't be getting any in LOS.
I've never been anywhere on the Aussie continent. What makes it "crap"?
Look its the wrong thread for Aussie mongering. I haven't done it for a long time. Just believe me that Aussie girls give bad service (more than 90% They are very procedural. Little chance of a GFE, except maybe some foreigners. Also it was far more expensive than Thailand. Total waste of money to be with an "Aussie" girl. I really can remember only a very few good ones from say 35 years ago. The Thai girls were far more reliable. The majority of Aussie hookers are not that great looking especially when get the clothes off.
Its not really about getting your dick legally into some pussy. I accept that its possible USA and Canada could be worse, never having had a monger fuck there, but at least they have some hot black girls.
2. French (83%.
I am a bit sceptical too, and don't see how we can learn anything useful from the list.
Most Thai girls, whether Sex workers or not, seem to have a negative view about French guys in general as being firstly stingy (very tight with money), and secondly possibly appearing a little arrogant. Could they be ranked high purely as good lovers, or good looking, or quick and clean?
Germans are also considered to be a bit stingy, and a bit "black hearted" but girls comment that the German football team players are very good looking. English are considered the most foul mouthed speakers and impolite. So does not surprise me if they are very low ranked. Americans are way more polite, in general.
A LB told me that a very high percentage of Italians like LBs. I don't know if its really true. Passing the LB bar in cowboy, it seems like most customers are Asians, but have seen Farangs as well.
Sorry if anyone gets offended by these gross generalisations. It could be all bullshit that I hear from girls. I find that most girls take me as I am and don't care where I come from. I may not be very typical. I think my countrymen once had a reputation as being cheats that would try to leave the Hotel by the backdoor without paying the bill, also as being very sloppy dressers, and smelling of beer.
I've had hot girls in SG for as little as 20 USD, including room. Usually I paid no more than 50 USD all in for FS, etc. Some of them were total knockouts.
Quite a few in Geylang were up for BBBJ, DFK, even BB sex.
My experience many years ago in Geylang, was that they only wanted to give 15 or 20 min sessions to Asians, and for Farangs gave slightly more time, maybe 30 minutes, but at a higher price. Generally were Thai girls. Certainly taking a girl for 2 hours would have been several consecutive sessions and would not have worked out cheap.
Thailand was definitely much better value for longer time period sessions. Singapore was competitive only for a "quickie" which is not my style.
Hot Lips bar in Nana is now called Candyland 2. It seems to be doing much better than Candyland 1 which has poor interior decoration and colouring, weak girls selection and few customers even on a Saturday.
Crazy House line up was rather ordinary to my fussy taste Saturday night. Was better on Friday night. Overall I believe that Crazy House is declining for line up quality of looks over time. Some of prettiest girls disappeared or work irregularly. The new ones can be quite ordinary. However doing good business so maybe my taste is wrong. Not a high enough percentage of the girls are nude any more.
I would like to recommend to all mongers to start and use services like We Chat, Skout, Tango, and Badoo. Thai girls are moving away from surfing the net on a computer or notebooks. The mobile internet is where it's at here. These services have location based searches and many of the girls are looking for pay for play but you can even find freebies. Search and chat, you have nothing to lose. Recently you can read about my report of finding extremely good ladies working in the massage parlours on we chat. Shop before you go in. Saves you walking to all the shops and striking deals for services. If you can do it beforehand it will save you aggravation in the shop. Freebies are well worth the time of searching. One of these cuties I spent 7 days with fucking and sucking. I suggest ditch the Thai friendlies, Date in Asia's, Thai Cupids, and son on. These are all just a waste of time.
As Bkkdog already pointed out the mobile internet is the place to be these days, more and more. The world has changed and will always change and we have to keep up with that. Although I know how hard that can be for us older gents.
I am quite 'internet savvy' but not really 'mobile internet savvy'. Yesterday I bought my first smart phone, go figure LOL! It will take some time but I'm getting there.Very interesting indeed. This might help to explain the dwindling numbers of decent FL's on the streets these days. Maybe they're all doing business on their smart phones now. I'm quite Internet savvy too as I use my PC a lot, but until now I couldn't think of a good reason to buy a smart phone, except perhaps to keep track of the US stock market while I'm out and about. The idea of using one to find pussy never occurred to me.
I totally agree that using sites like ThaiLoveLinks is a waste of time. I wonder if older guys like me can have success using a smart phone to find fuck buddies and P4 P sessions like BKKdog is doing it? If so, I'm going to run down to Tuk.Com and buy one. I'd like to know more about the ins and outs of the services BKKdog talks about for finding pussy. Do keep us informed of your progress, Mogwai as we all have something new to learn.
Huh? Thailand is the land of compartmentalization. Something that we in the West really don't get. Don't ask don't tell as long as it does not effect the relationship.You are far too modest, Goat. You've beaten the game and deserve great admiration and congratulations from all dedicated pussy mongers. I trust that you realize the rarity of your situation and just how lucky you are. Most women on this planet will not be content to let their boy friends have their cake and eat it too.
As for me, I don't think I could manage it even if it fell into my lap. I enjoy my solitude way to much and just don't have time for any relationship with a woman that lasts for more than 1 hour at a time. I have a number of great regulars for that purpose and it suits me fine. They come over, we have our "fun," I pay them, and they leave. Don't need more company than that.
Found this two year old article from teakdoor.com No mention of Asians. Maybe the prof was only interested in farangs.
Thai professor of sociology Sathit Niyomyat, a former assistant dean at the prestigious Thammasat University and the author of numerous studies on gender issues, has published some surprising results following a three-year research project during which she interviewed some 470 local women working in the sex industry.
In an anonymous survey, Thai prostitutes were asked to rank their preferred nationality among foreign clients more than 6,000 of them in total based on a variety of criteria. "We were interested in how demanding they were, the length of sexual activity, consumption of alcohol, behavior and degree of coarseness, and the solvency of sex tourists, based on nationality," Prof. Niyomyat said, as quoted by the Czech tabloid Blesk..I call bollocks. Do the girl compartmentalize guys into such specific categories. Its Farang or Asian or Blacks.
Who knows. I'm not a Thai prostitute.
I wonder if older guys like me can have success using a smart phone to find fuck buddies and P4 P sessions like BKKdog is doing it? If so, I'm going to run down to Tuk.Com and buy one. I'd like to know more about the ins and outs of the services BKKdog talks about for finding pussy. Do keep us informed of your progress, Mogwai as we all have something new to learn.I'm not a very regular FR poster, as writing a decent FR takes quite some time, but I will do my best.
Meanwhile I advise you to read the thread 'Chat Rooms and Pen Pals' in the Philippines section. You can learn quite a bit there!
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2479-Chat-Rooms-amp-Pen-Pals
Yesterday I joined 'Line' (http://line.me/en/), one of many chat & message applications out there. Some time ago I barfined a gorgeous agogo girl and I took some pictures of her. I wanted to send her these pictures so I texted her and asked for her email address. She replied that she hasn't got one (which I doubt, I suppose she just doesn't want to give it to me) and that I could send the pics to her Line ID. I thought 'what the heck is Line?' LOL. Never heard of it, so I googled it.
Registration was a pain in the ass because they send a verification code to your phone that you have to enter in the sign up procedure within 30 minutes. However due to a slow network or slow internet provider I received the registration code way too late and had to start all over again a couple of times. I even had to fill in a complaint form and send it to their customer service. But it helped apparently because all of a sudden the application worked.
I had already (manually) copied a dozen or so contacts from my old phone to my new smart phone. About 4 of those contacts were Thai 'girl friends' and I soon found out that they were also Line members. The application automatically matches the contact numbers in your phone with the members and they are then automatically added to your Friends List. With some undesirable results by the way. For example: some Thai mobile numbers start with 06. I am from Holland and in my country almost all mobile numbers start with 06. So you can guess what happened. One of my Dutch contact numbers matched with a Thai number so a total stranger was added to my Friends list, LOL!
But you can turn off this automatic number matching in the settings menu. And I guess if I include the country codes in my contacts' numbers the problem is also solved.
It took me some time to figure out how I could send the photos but I finally got it. I just had to start a chat session with my lovely 'girl friend' and then I could send her the photos (although I found out later that's only one of the possibilities). But before that I accidentally clicked on 'video call'. I quickly canceled it but 30 seconds later she 'video called' me back. It was about 4 PM which I presume is a good time to contact agogo or bar girls. Her English is still very limited so we only had a short 'video conference' but it was fun. Had to promise her to come to her agogo of course. Aaah, those damn promises! Nevertheless I want to have her again, but she's bloody expensive (but also worth it and I can't say that very often of an agogo girl).
One of my other 'girl friends' also started a chat pretty soon after I had signed up. She was 'angry' that I hadn't informed her yet that I was back in town, LOL. Sorry hun, I just arrived yesterday (actually 3 days ago but that's on a need to know basis, LOL!).
Today I will enter all of my Asian contacts in my new phone and I'm curious how many of them are Line members.
By the way, with Line you cannot search for new 'girl friends'. You'll need apps like Tango for that, I want to join that one too.
And when I was in Vietnam recently I tried the PC version of Tango (as I didn't have a smart phone yet) but with the PC version you cannot search for people nearby unfortunately.
But I found out that with the PC version of Tagged you can do that so I signed up and I had some modest success.
I had a few dates with a 27 yo girl in Nha Trang. She was not P4 P but slowly, surely and with a lot of patience I got her into my bed. Her face was only a 6,5 but her body was an 8 and she was horny as hell. It truly amazes me that a man in his early fifties like me can make young girls so damn horny, even if they are only 18 or 19. Although I admit I do not make ALL of them horny.
Unfortunately this girl in Nha Trang was on the rag so she didn't want to boom boom. And she didn't want to give me a BJ either because 'only sluts do that'. Damn 'good girls', LOL!
Later I came into contact with a 39 yo MILF in Saigon who was still good looking for her age. We had lunch and we spent an afternoon exploring Saigon a little bit on her bike. I thought she was not P4 P because she said she was looking for a serious relationship. I told her I was only looking for a casual contact with NSA but despite that she still wanted to meet me. OK I thought, fine with me, I will see what this leads to.
During our meeting she didn't give any signals that she was P4 P. At least that's what I thought. But looking back on it there were some subtle signals.
At the end of the afternoon she had to go back home so we said goodbye and I thought I would not see her again. But in the evening she surprised me with a text message that said something like: 'It was nice meeting you. Is there anything else I can do for you?
I replied: 'What would you like to do for me?
'Anything you want' she said. OK, that was clear.
So I invited her to come to my hotel. She said she would do that but first she had to bring a neighbour to the pagoda. In the end she never showed up and didn't respond to my texts and calls anymore. The following morning I got an excuse from her that she had been very busy and was too tired to meet me. That was a pity because I was heading for Thailand that same morning.
So here you are, a report of my first 'unstable' steps in the world of mobile internet.
Look its the wrong thread for Aussie mongering. I haven't done it for a long time. Just believe me that Aussie girls give bad service (more than 90% They are very procedural. Little chance of a GFE, except maybe some foreigners. Also it was far more expensive than Thailand. Total waste of money to be with an "Aussie" girl. I really can remember only a very few good ones from say 35 years ago. The Thai girls were far more reliable. The majority of Aussie hookers are not that great looking especially when get the clothes off.Thirty five years ago, LOL. Do you think that info might be a bit out of date.
PRC, VN, Netherlands, Germans, etc, even TGs have all been called "mechanical". Mechanical is quite common with hookers all over the globe. I don't necessarily find it a problem. Though if chemistry is created, that can change things.
As for GFE, none of these clock watching are your GF, your dreaming if you think they are, & if they were mine they certainly wouldn't be using a condom. It seems PI hookers are the best at pretending or behaving like a GF would, according to many reports, so that is the nationality to bed if that is so important to you. You won't find them in LOS. Better to stay away from the third world corrupt PI itself, though, IMO, & pick them up elsewhere, such as SG, HKG, Germany, etc. Like TGs they are all over the world & often work as maids. Saw one at my VCR hotel the other day.
Last trip to BKK had this girl who would hardly make eye contact. In the car park I got her agreement to DFK. In the room, though, she was HJ me & licking nipples a bit. I was discussing BB sex with her, but she wasn't giving it up. After I said something about her being scared of baby farang, she smiled & started one of the best kissing sessions I've ever had, like I would want with a real GF. Was that a mechanical or GFE session?
In SG I had a PRC who was DFKing, BBing, saying "I love you" repeatedly. Was that a GFE? I found her words were a distraction from my enjoyment of sex.
In BKK I've often had girls who I told them what I wanted them to do. For example sometimes I was in the mood for a long BBBJ, so I'd have them suck me for an hour or two. Was that a GFE or mechanical? It doesn't matter what you call it, since it was what I wanted & made me happy.
Sometimes I just wanted them to lay there quietly while I fucked them for an hour or two.
Of course first world Australia or Canada or SG is going to generally be more expensive than third world corrupt LOS or PI or Indonesia. That is the price you pay for being in a quality country. If you are only partaking once a month, who cares if its 20 or 200 USD. Moreover if you do your homework, you can get laid for as little as $20 in SG & $5 in Canada, & I'm sure the same could be found in the cute Kuala bear kingdom.
As for Aussie ladies mostly not looking great naked, I would say ditto for Thai PFP gals, naked or not. Or prostitutes in any of some 200 nations. Aussies would mostly be of a European appearance, if that's your thing. For me, the Koreans in Aussie land, which you won't get in BKK, would be the greater attraction.
Another legal first world safe English speaking destination I've looked at briefly is New Zealand, home of the kiwi fruit.
My experience many years ago in Geylang, was that they only wanted to give 15 or 20 min sessions to Asians, and for Farangs gave slightly more time, maybe 30 minutes, but at a higher price. Generally were Thai girls. Certainly taking a girl for 2 hours would have been several consecutive sessions and would not have worked out cheap.
Thailand was definitely much better value for longer time period sessions. Singapore was competitive only for a "quickie" which is not my style.The 15 to 30 minutes is still generally true of SG street girls, who are mostly PRC & VN, with some Indos, Thai & South Asians. If that's all a guy needs to pop, it does the trick for as little as 600 or 700 baht. In the houses you can get longer sessions, such as 45 to 60 minutes for 150 SG dollars, similar to gogo rates in BKK. I've had SG gals to my room in SG for 2 hours & paid about the same as for TGs in BKK for comparable services & looks. Some even slept over for free.
SG also has other PFP areas besides Geylang, such as Orchard Towers, also called the Four Floors of Who*res. A ST there has been quoted as low as 100 SG currency. Girls at such places include PI, Russian, etc.
So the same value as BKK can be obtained in SG, though you may have to search more to find it. Thus advantage to those who live there, are staying for a long visit or have done their homework on ISG.
JokerInter
12-14-14, 12:49
Went last night to Patpong.
I finally visited Patpong last night as planned. Had a great time. I don't know why fellow mongers waste their time at Nana or cowboy as its to commercial for me. Patpong has a lot of mystery. I picked up a FL for 2000 BT last night at Twilo, the corner bar with live music. She stayed till 3 pm today. We left at 230 am once they closed. The Night market wraps up at midnight now. I remember it to be later. I also went to Kings Castle for a few beers. I tried picking up the manger Jean. She said she was to old but I didn't my as she still look good.
Star of light was closed. I wonder why. Anyway I recommend the corners bars that play live music for some FL action.
I'm not a very regular FR poster, as writing a decent FR takes quite some time, but I will do my best.
Meanwhile I advise you to read the thread 'Chat Rooms and Pen Pals' in the Philippines section. You can learn quite a bit there!
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2479-Chat-Rooms-amp-Pen-Pals
Yesterday I joined 'Line' (http://line.me/en/), one of many chat & message applications out there. Some time ago I barfined a gorgeous agogo girl and I took some pictures of her. I wanted to send her these pictures so I texted her and asked for her email address. She replied that she hasn't got one (which I doubt, I suppose she just doesn't want to give it to me) and that I could send the pics to her Line ID. I thought 'what the heck is Line?' LOL. Never heard of it, so I googled it.
Registration was a pain in the ass because they send a verification code to your phone that you have to enter in the sign up procedure within 30 minutes. However due to a slow network or slow internet provider I received the registration code way too late and had to start all over again a couple of times. I even had to fill in a complaint form and send it to their customer service. But it helped apparently because all of a sudden the application worked.
I had already (manually) copied a dozen or so contacts from my old phone to my new smart phone. About 4 of those contacts were Thai 'girl friends' and I soon found out that they were also Line members. The application automatically matches the contact numbers in your phone with the members and they are then automatically added to your Friends List. With some undesirable results by the way. For example: some Thai mobile numbers start with 06. I am from Holland and in my country almost all mobile numbers start with 06. So you can guess what happened. One of my Dutch contact numbers matched with a Thai number so a total stranger was added to my Friends list, LOL!
But you can turn off this automatic number matching in the settings menu. And I guess if I include the country codes in my contacts' numbers the problem is also solved.
It took me some time to figure out how I could send the photos but I finally got it. I just had to start a chat session with my lovely 'girl friend' and then I could send her the photos (although I found out later that's only one of the possibilities). But before that I accidentally clicked on 'video call'. I quickly canceled it but 30 seconds later she 'video called' me back. It was about 4 PM which I presume is a good time to contact agogo or bar girls. Her English is still very limited so we only had a short 'video conference' but it was fun. Had to promise her to come to her agogo of course. Aaah, those damn promises! Nevertheless I want to have her again, but she's bloody expensive (but also worth it and I can't say that very often of an agogo girl).
One of my other 'girl friends' also started a chat pretty soon after I had signed up. She was 'angry' that I hadn't informed her yet that I was back in town, LOL. Sorry hun, I just arrived yesterday (actually 3 days ago but that's on a need to know basis, LOL!).
Today I will enter all of my Asian contacts in my new phone and I'm curious how many of them are Line members.
By the way, with Line you cannot search for new 'girl friends'. You'll need apps like Tango for that, I want to join that one too.
And when I was in Vietnam recently I tried the PC version of Tango (as I didn't have a smart phone yet) but with the PC version you cannot search for people nearby unfortunately.
But I found out that with the PC version of Tagged you can do that so I signed up and I had some modest success.
I had a few dates with a 27 yo girl in Nha Trang. She was not P4 P but slowly, surely and with a lot of patience I got her into my bed. Her face was only a 6,5 but her body was an 8 and she was horny as hell. It truly amazes me that a man in his early fifties like me can make young girls so damn horny, even if they are only 18 or 19. Although I admit I do not make ALL of them horny.
Unfortunately this girl in Nha Trang was on the rag so she didn't want to boom boom. And she didn't want to give me a BJ either because 'only sluts do that'. Damn 'good girls', LOL!
Later I came into contact with a 39 yo MILF in Saigon who was still good looking for her age. We had lunch and we spent an afternoon exploring Saigon a little bit on her bike. I thought she was not P4 P because she said she was looking for a serious relationship. I told her I was only looking for a casual contact with NSA but despite that she still wanted to meet me. OK I thought, fine with me, I will see what this leads to.
During our meeting she didn't give any signals that she was P4 P. At least that's what I thought. But looking back on it there were some subtle signals.
At the end of the afternoon she had to go back home so we said goodbye and I thought I would not see her again. But in the evening she surprised me with a text message that said something like: 'It was nice meeting you. Is there anything else I can do for you?
I replied: 'What would you like to do for me?
'Anything you want' she said. OK, that was clear.
So I invited her to come to my hotel. She said she would do that but first she had to bring a neighbour to the pagoda. In the end she never showed up and didn't respond to my texts and calls anymore. The following morning I got an excuse from her that she had been very busy and was too tired to meet me. That was a pity because I was heading for Thailand that same morning.
So here you are, a report of my first 'unstable' steps in the world of mobile internet.Everyone who spends a lot of time in Thailand should be on Line if they have a smart phone and if they don't they should buy one. Every Thai girl I know is on Line. It can also work as a mini-Facebook as many of the girl post photos of themselves on their "Homepage" on Line. If they allow you access. They can turn your access off if they want to. Once you meet a girl and she has Line you can either add them through their phone number or their Line I'd or if they are next to you it can be done with the QR Code or Shaking your phones together. Once you have Line set up on your phone you can then download the app to your PC and use that. It synchs automatically with activity on your phone. Having Line saves money on sending sms's, it's totally free as it uses the internet as its provider, allows you to call or do a video call anywhere you are as long as you have the internet and allows you to stay in touch easily no matter where you are. When I was back in the USA I would wake up every day to messages from a number of girls in Thailand and Farangs as well.
Then you should download a Translator as well and if a girl sends you a Line in Thai you can copy it by pressing your finger down on the text and choosing copy and paste it into your translator. The Translators are admittedly only good for short messages and then often just barely.
Line can be found in the Google Play Store which most smartphones will automatically have as an icon on their phone. So are social media apps like Tango and We Chat. Just hit install and follow instructions. Have your phone number on hand.
I installed Tango a month or so back but have not really been able to use it to look for girls due to present circumstances. I was really just curious how it worked. Very easily as it turns out. If your GPS is turned to On in your smart phone it will determine where you are and you can search for girls within a 10 k distance or for girls in a specific location though another option. Their photos will pop up and you can look through them in order to see which girls might be of interest to you. You can either send them a wink or a message. They will either reply or not. I have no idea what pct of the girls are interested in meeting Farangs for either professional or social or sexual purposes. I think a lot of girls just use it as yet another way to put up pictures of themselves, something Thai girls seem to love to do. Others are clearly looking for business from the photos that they do put up. Others will state that they do not want to be contacted for sexual services. I am around 60 and have put up a current photo of myself for girls to see, as they are doing a search for people just like you are. Some 15 to 20 girls have contacted me. A few of them very cute, most average at best. For what purpose I don't know but I would have to assume that most of them who are contacting a man of my age are doing it for financial reasons. When you do your search you can filter it (martini glass in top right corner) to women only. But beware Ladyboys consider themselves women and there are more than a few in there!
Went last night to Patpong.
I finally visited Patpong last night as planned. Had a great time. I don't know why fellow mongers waste their time at Nana or cowboy as its to commercial for me. Patpong has a lot of mystery. I picked up a FL for 2000 BT last night at Twilo, the corner bar with live music. She stayed till 3 pm today. We left at 230 am once they closed. The Night market wraps up at midnight now. I remember it to be later. I also went to Kings Castle for a few beers. I tried picking up the manger Jean. She said she was to old but I didn't my as she still look good.
Star of light was closed. I wonder why. Anyway I recommend the corners bars that play live music for some FL action.There is always a concept of freaks. You might be one of them as most thin k PatPong has declined drastically over the years. I am one of them. Good you like it aS you can have it all 2 yourself.
I've been noticing lately Rainbow 4 has improved its middle of the line-up girl. Very OK to ogle for an hour. If they were able to get 3 or 4 really good lookers they would be on top again.
I'd bet more Americans go to Asia and Thailand for PFP than Nevada or Cuba or DR or CR.
So I can labour to learn Spanish to have a greater chance of being a victim of crime.
I think you'd be surprised how many Americans go to the DR and CR for P4 P. An hour or two flight from Miami or Houston. In CR all you hear is American accented English. In several trips I exclusively met Americans, while in TH running across an American is rather rare. In fact, some major computer corporations have moved their tech support from India to CR.
As far as learning Spanish, please enlighten us on your Mexico / Latin America experiences, especially as regards crime. We can compare notes.
JokerInter
12-15-14, 03:58
So what are you. Paki-american? Egyptian-American? Philipino-american? Indian-american? Mex-american?
Next time you should walk away when that happens. 20 little Thai dudes will kick your butt.
Unfortunately Rainbow 2 is one of the few top quality bars around so its not to go elsewhere.Pick what ever label you that makes you happy. Only an American will know that we don't add a prefix or a suffix. Only others do that.
The fact is, 20 little Thai little Thai dudes did not kick ass. Seems like you have soft spot for Rainbow's at Nana.
I don't recommend that most people should stand up for themselves and should just walk, as that is what they expect to happen.
JokerInter
12-15-14, 04:03
There is always a concept of freaks. You might be one of them as most thin k PatPong has declined drastically over the years. I am one of them. Good you like it aS you can have it all 2 yourself.
I've been noticing lately Rainbow 4 has improved its middle of the line-up girl. Very OK to ogle for an hour. If they were able to get 3 or 4 really good lookers they would be on top again.Thanks, I shall keep it.
The crowd at Pat-Pong is also younger mongers and backpacker type individuals. Also all lots of Russians who I actually don't mind.
Thirty five years ago, LOL. Do you think that info might be a bit out of date.
Nope. Its not 35 years since mongering in Aus. Its up to 35 years ago I can remember a few good fun Aussie girls. My first Thai girl in Aus was probably 25 years ago and that changed everything. I then found that Asian girls delivered much better service than the locals. Other foreign girls were also generally better.
Anyway don't try to think that Aussie girls will change that much, nor will prices get better.
Nope. Its not 35 years since mongering in Aus. Its up to 35 years ago I can remember a few good fun Aussie girls. My first Thai girl in Aus was probably 25 years ago and that changed everything. I then found that Asian girls delivered much better service than the locals. Other foreign girls were also generally better.
Anyway don't try to think that Aussie girls will change that much, nor will prices get better.Syzygies, absolutely spot on. The really great aussie chicks are about $350 USD per hour and work private and limit their client base. You won't find them in the parlors anymore in Aus. The last great aussie parlor girls went extinct about 2007. Very sad. There's very little new blood coming in from the Anglosaxon population. Sadly, even the Asians in the parlors aren't anywhere near the standard of Shanghai or Bangkok. There's no coming back once government interference / morality and rising tide of wealth reaches your shore.
During my last visit went to Straps at Nana plaza. It is located on first floor in the corner, just as you climb the stairs. The bar has very pretty girls and one or two ladiboys. The stage is small with 4- 5 girls dancing at time. No topless show. The girls are the prettiest I have seen in NEP.
How ever the mamasan is very pushy and rude. The moment you enter and order you drinks, you are pestered to bar fine a girl.
The bar fine rate were 2500 THB (Short time) + 500 THB lady drinks + 600 Bar Fine + 400 THB ST hotel, 3 Road floor Nana plaza. Girls not interested in coming to your hotel.
One of the girls I spoke to told me she was easily bar fine 2 - 3 times in night.
Inspite of all these warning signs couldn't resist bar fining a girl from there. (No. 77 I guess). She said her name was Moon and was a Korean.
Went to ST hotel on 3rd floor. As soon as we entered the room, the girl was all rush rush. Also had starfish attitude. Fucked her hard deliberately.
Did the deed, only solace was that the girl was a beauty.
Avoid this place it's STRAPS. The Trap.
AssLover945
12-15-14, 17:29
During my last visit went to Straps at Nana plaza. It is located on first floor in the corner, just as you climb the stairs. The bar has very pretty girls and one or two ladiboys. The stage is small with 4- 5 girls dancing at time. No topless show. The girls are the prettiest I have seen in NEP.
How ever the mamasan is very pushy and rude. The moment you enter and order you drinks, you are pestered to bar fine a girl.
The bar fine rate were 2500 THB (Short time) + 500 THB lady drinks + 600 Bar Fine + 400 THB ST hotel, 3 Road floor Nana plaza. Girls not interested in coming to your hotel.
One of the girls I spoke to told me she was easily bar fine 2 - 3 times in night.
Inspite of all these warning signs couldn't resist bar fining a girl from there. (No. 77 I guess). She said her name was Moon and was a Korean.
Went to ST hotel on 3rd floor. As soon as we entered the room, the girl was all rush rush. Also had starfish attitude. Fucked her hard deliberately.
Did the deed, only solace was that the girl was a beauty.
Avoid this place it's STRAPS. The Trap.You behaved like a tourist and got fucked like a tourist hahahaha, Look what I did for 3000 Bahts. 2 girls both willing to give blowjobs and full on sex (no anal) One girl agreed to take us to her room, which was nearby the bar. That saved me 500 Bahts on hotel. The girls took turn taking shower. Both girls gave me head for 15 minutes alternatively, while one gave me boobs the other was doing her job. Then time to ride girl 1. Rest for half hour, check emails talk a bit, a little coke and then round 2 same as round 1, just switched girl at the end. Damage 3000 Bahts.
You behaved like a tourist and got fucked like a tourist hahahaha, Look what I did for 3000 Bahts. 2 girls both willing to give blowjobs and full on sex (no anal) One girl agreed to take us to her room, which was nearby the bar. That saved me 500 Bahts on hotel. The girls took turn taking showerahts.Yeah, let's look what you did. Where's the photo? Wait, we can well imagine.
Mankav says he got himself a beauty, a man who doesn't come to Thailand just for some ordinary looking thing, or an out of shape girl or one that's birthed and suckled. So what. Good for him and better luck with the next one.
During my last visit went to Straps at Nana plaza. It is located on first floor in the corner, just as you climb the stairs. The bar has very pretty girls and one or two ladiboys. The stage is small with 4- 5 girls dancing at time. No topless show. The girls are the prettiest I have seen in NEP.
How ever the mamasan is very pushy and rude. The moment you enter and order you drinks, you are pestered to bar fine a girl.
The bar fine rate were 2500 THB (Short time) + 500 THB lady drinks + 600 Bar Fine + 400 THB ST hotel, 3 Road floor Nana plaza. Girls not interested in coming to your hotel.
One of the girls I spoke to told me she was easily bar fine 2 - 3 times in night.
Inspite of all these warning signs couldn't resist bar fining a girl from there. (No. 77 I guess). She said her name was Moon and was a Korean.
Went to ST hotel on 3rd floor. As soon as we entered the room, the girl was all rush rush. Also had starfish attitude. Fucked her hard deliberately.
Did the deed, only solace was that the girl was a beauty.
Avoid this place it's STRAPS. The Trap.I hope it was a girl. Perhaps Straps has changed since I walked by a few months back but back then it was about 90% Ladyboys and 10% girls. Good to know if this has changed.
VanWilderGuy
12-15-14, 19:11
I hope it was a girl. Perhaps Straps has changed since I walked by a few months back but back then it was about 90% Ladyboys and 10% girls. Good to know if this has changed.Perhaps that's why they call its "straps"! Because everyone is strapped! Haha!
DwayneJohnson
12-15-14, 19:13
I hope it was a girl. Perhaps Straps has changed since I walked by a few months back but back then it was about 90% Ladyboys and 10% girls. Good to know if this has changed.LOL, It is true that Straps is ladyboy bar. I found it on other website same information that's why went to Anglewitch instead of Straps but that was few months ago.
I think you'd be surprised how many Americans go to the DR and CR for P4 P. An hour or two flight from Miami or Houston. In CR all you hear is American accented English. In several trips I exclusively met Americans, while in TH running across an American is rather rare. In fact, some major computer corporations have moved their tech support from India to CR.The vast majority of Americans visiting Cuba are Cubans visiting family, not to engage in PFP.
More Canadians go to Cuba than Americans. Canada has a population a small fraction of the size of the USA.
Way more Americans visit Thailand than Cuba. Especially non Cuban Americans.
The airfare for a Canadian to visit Cuba costs about the same as going to Bangkok. From Vancouver, near Seattle, it is more expensive to fly to Cuba. And BTW 70 percent more expensive to go to Brazil than BKK.
"Cuba is the only country in the world the USA Government restricts its own citizens from visiting. Americans can go to Burma, Iran, even North Korea if those places give them a visa. ".
http://www.npr.org/2012/02/06/146474813/u-s-travel-to-cuba-grows-as-restrictions-are-eased
"Tourist travel to Cuba is prohibited under USA Law for citizens and others under USA Jurisdiction.
"Authorized travelers to Cuba are subject to daily spending limits. See the Office of Foreign Assets Control page of the USA Department of the Treasury. ".
http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/cuba.html
Nope. Its not 35 years since mongering in Aus. Its up to 35 years ago I can remember a few good fun Aussie girls. My first Thai girl in Aus was probably 25 years ago and that changed everything. I then found that Asian girls delivered much better service than the locals. Other foreign girls were also generally better.
Anyway don't try to think that Aussie girls will change that much, nor will prices get better.No doubt there are still plenty of "fun Aussie girls" two generations after your experience. It's a huge country. One just needs to find them, & that's where ISG can help.
Who would have thought you could get FS from a hot young lady for 20 USD in SG? Or 10 dollars in Canada.
BTW I'm sure the sex worker HIV & STI rates in Australia are significantly lower than in Thailand or Asia in general.
The 15 to 30 minutes is still generally true of SG street girls, who are mostly PRC & VN, with some Indos, Thai & South Asians. If that's all a guy needs to pop, it does the trick for as little as 600 or 700 baht. In the houses you can get longer sessions, such as 45 to 60 minutes for 150 SG dollars, similar to gogo rates in BKK. I've had SG gals to my room in SG for 2 hours & paid about the same as for TGs in BKK for comparable services & looks. Some even slept over for free.
SG also has other PFP areas besides Geylang, such as Orchard Towers, also called the Four Floors of Who*res. A ST there has been quoted as low as 100 SG currency. Girls at such places include PI, Russian, etc.
So the same value as BKK can be obtained in SG, though you may have to search more to find it. Thus advantage to those who live there, are staying for a long visit or have done their homework on ISG.Pink, we certainly agree on SG. It is a great place to monger these days. Lots of variety. Also some great food around Geylang.
I'd bet more Americans go to Asia and Thailand for PFP than Nevada or Cuba or DR or CR.
So I can labour to learn Spanish to have a greater chance of being a victim of crime.
Or I can keep spending half my time in LOS as I have done for years & know about 3 words of Thai.
The subject was Canada. From its North Pole to the freezing tip of South America is, I guess, further & more expensive than to go than from Vancouver to LOS. I never experienced jet lag on such a trip.
To each their own. Apparently Brazil is more expensive than LOS, besides its other deficiences.
Koreans would be a big incentive to go to Australia. Like having a Japanese who I consider the hottest anywhere. I've had them in Canada when PFP was legal as they used to be quite abundant there. You won't be getting any in LOS.Pink, Americans are staying in their hemisphere for mongering. Most always have. Why? Because most Americans have very little vacation. So a quick trip to the DR or CR is just right. Plus it is cheaper and again, no jet lag.
You are far too modest, Goat. You've beaten the game and deserve great admiration and congratulations from all dedicated pussy mongers. I trust that you realize the rarity of your situation and just how lucky you are. Most women on this planet will not be content to let their boy friends have their cake and eat it too.
As for me, I don't think I could manage it even if it fell into my lap. I enjoy my solitude way to much and just don't have time for any relationship with a woman that lasts for more than 1 hour at a time. I have a number of great regulars for that purpose and it suits me fine. They come over, we have our "fun," I pay them, and they leave. Don't need more company than that.Nothing special really, but thanks. Most of the guys I know here (long term expats) have the same that I do. To tell you the truth if anything ever happens to me and the gal that I am with now then I think your system will suit me fine. I enjoy solitude more and more as I age. Of course my gal does as well! So that makes it even better.
Yeah, let's look what you did. Where's the photo? Wait, we can well imagine.
Mankav says he got himself a beauty, a man who doesn't come to Thailand just for some ordinary looking thing, or an out of shape girl or one that's birthed and suckled. So what. Good for him and better luck with the next one.My thought Exactly. Some guys are lucky in that looks don't matter. 3000 bahts for 2 girls must mean they weren't all that boo-ti full.
A great quote about Thai women. Well I guess it can apply to women from many different places.
"It is always about the money, but it is not always just about the money. " I concur.
The vast majority of Americans visiting Cuba are Cubans visiting family, not to engage in PFP.
More Canadians go to Cuba than Americans. Canada has a population a small fraction of the size of the USA.
Way more Americans visit Thailand than Cuba. Especially non Cuban Americans.
The airfare for a Canadian to visit Cuba costs about the same as going to Bangkok. From Vancouver, near Seattle, it is more expensive to fly to Cuba. And BTW 70 percent more expensive to go to Brazil than BKK.
"Cuba is the only country in the world the USA Government restricts its own citizens from visiting. Americans can go to Burma, Iran, even North Korea if those places give them a visa. ".
http://www.npr.org/2012/02/06/146474813/u-s-travel-to-cuba-grows-as-restrictions-are-eased
"Tourist travel to Cuba is prohibited under USA Law for citizens and others under USA Jurisdiction.
"Authorized travelers to Cuba are subject to daily spending limits. See the Office of Foreign Assets Control page of the USA Department of the Treasury. ".
http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/cuba.htmlWho the hell said anything about Cuba? Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Jamaica, Aruba, just to name a few places, have loads of Americans. And there is a lot of P4 P in these places. It's far easier to get to these places from the USA than it is to BKK. Virtually everybody I've ever talked to blanches at the thought of 17+ hours in an airplane, plus a few hours in layovers. And, as The Goat said, most Americans only get 2 weeks of vacation. Travel to SEA eats up about 3 days of that, and the eastbound jet lag can be brutal for some folks.
Pink, Americans are staying in their hemisphere for mongering. Most always have. Why? Because most Americans have very little vacation. So a quick trip to the DR or CR is just right. Plus it is cheaper and again, no jet lag.Others are going to Germany to monger. Not the cheapest but not the most expensive either, I guess its just they want to do East European girls. Maybe it can be mixed in with business trips.
ST with Mint. Has worked at Bacara just 4 days. I actually know her from previously. She certainly doesn't fit well at Bacara. Pretty by Farang spec. Black hair, skin a little bit dark but just mid tone for me. Japanese don't go for her. Very beautiful tits all real but only A cups. Very beautiful pussy. All natural, no nose job. Slim but curvy. Teeth braces. She is good for GFE with me. Sorry don't yet know the working number, however she should stand out against the rest.
Since Bacara is so Japanese dominated, she may have to move to another shop, with more Farangs.
Be very wary over police shakedowns at the moment. Seems to happen a lot in upper Sukhumvit. So from Asoke area up to Thonglor (So Soi 19 upwards).
http://www.smh.com.au/world/bangkok-tourists-caught-up-in-shakedown-20141212-125voa.html
Who the hell said anything about Cuba? Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Jamaica, Aruba, just to name a few places, have loads of Americans. And there is a lot of P4 P in these places. It's far easier to get to these places from the USA than it is to BKK. Virtually everybody I've ever talked to blanches at the thought of 17+ hours in an airplane, plus a few hours in layovers. And, as The Goat said, most Americans only get 2 weeks of vacation. Travel to SEA eats up about 3 days of that, and the eastbound jet lag can be brutal for some folks.If you've been following the discussion, Goatscrot spoke of 5 areas including South America & Cuba etc.
As for CR, as I've mentioned before, I know an American who lived there but moved to Pattaya. He's been in LOS a few years now, loves it & prefers it over CR.
Americans don't need to go to any of the places you list. They have loads of PFP or PFT options in their own country without paying airfares to travel for hours to strange lands. The vast majority get their fun on US soil & contribute back to the economy there.
If they happen to choose relatively dangerous Brazil over LOS, they've also chosen a country that presents greater language issues & a much higher HIV rate. From the NW USA the trip to Brazil will also be more expensive. Brazil is a more popular hobbying destination than any of those you mentioned, LOS excepted.
Jamaica is popular for ladies looking to pay for sex with Jamaican men. PFP is illegal there. The USA has a large black population so I can see how Jamaica & DR might draw a lot of Americans, especially as many places such as LOS are prejudiced against them.
Do guys really buy out new off the farm prostitutes out of the bar? And if they do -what do they do with them? No fake dating or living together first?
Anyone read Stickman in which he interview 3 escorts. Just as delusional as some men are. They are not like agogo prostitutes- they are much better.
What puzzles me is the income, 100,000-300,000 baht is normal? I highly doubt it. Can someone confirm.
Rainbow 4 has also a lot of below average new faces on board. I think they are marketing to the farang. Or maybe they just taking anyone who cares to get on stage.
Paul Kausch
12-16-14, 20:07
I arrived at BKK about 10 pm on the third Wednesday of November. It took less than an hours to retrieve my bag, go through immigration and get a taxi. Fifteen minutes later we pulled up to the Sofitel on Sukhumvit. I had no problem with the fare. The meter was on, as has always been the case when I come in from the airport. Occasionally, going to BKK has been another matter. I like the new system for taxis. There is a machine that prints out a ticket you give to the taxi and you're off.
Here are some of my general experiences and impressions.
My hotel was much busier than in June. The customer relations manager told me most of their guest are in town on business and the hotel hosts many business functions. He conceded business had been terrible in June but quite good now and they anticipated a good high season based on scheduled events and room bookings. Though it was before the beginning of the official high season there seemed to be more tourists than last December when the protests were in their early stage. However, a very reliable source tells me the business at the oily MPs is very slow and some of the girls are temporarily leaving for foreign destinations hoping business is better there.
The gogo bars have changed dramatically. In June I saw a lot of nudity. Then the girls at Crazy House were hot and mostly buck naked. So I went there on my first night out this trip, which was a Thursday, and was surprised to see that Crazy House had turned into a dog house. All the girls were wearing bikini tops and a G-string covered by a micro skirt. On that night they were the sorriest looking collection of girls I saw in any gogo I visited on the trip. Within minutes after walking in I was surprised to discover the lady I bar fined there in June recognized me, remembered my name and was eager for me to BF her again. I told her up front I'd like to have a couple of drinks with her and chat a bit, but was not going to BF anyone that night. She was cool and we sat and talked. Soon the person she referred to as the big manager joined us and we chatted about business. The three of us had sat together and talked in June. The manager said business was tough and they now had to deal with the army not the police, which the manager said was a particular problem for them. They were having a difficult time with the army, and of course a couple weeks later there was the one day crack down on the MPs. The manager told me there was no nudity anywhere on Soi Cowboy, all the too young girls were long gone, and with no nudity the BFs were way down. Several of the dancers I talked to in various venues confirmed no nudity meant fewer BFs for the ladies. I said nothing to the CH manager about the talent on stage, but the decline in quality was very obvious. While on my last trip the girl I BFed was below average, this night she was the best looking girl at the venue, or rather woman in her case as she admits to being in her thirties.
After a couple of drinks I headed out for Soi Cowboy. At the entrance off Soi 23 I encounter several dozen police officers milling around the entrance. I had to walk through them to enter the soi. Though they paid no attention to me, having to walk through a score or more of cops was not a nice way to begin one's stroll through Soi Cowboy. I'm sure that's what they had in mind.
I walked into and out of the first few bars. I saw the same as in CH, less than stunning ladies dressed the same as the girls at CH. Finally I worked my way down to Doll House. The downstairs has been remodeled. The upstairs was a work in progress. No sooner did I sit down than Boa, the girl I BFed in June walked up to me and again I was greeted by name. What the fuck? Aside from the lack of talent, being recognized by the girl in CH and greeted by name was one of the reason I left. Now I'm immediately recognized in DH. "What the hell," I thought. I recognized her immediately as well, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I liked Boa and like the lady at CH her English is quite good, so I asked her to join me for a couple of lady drinks and a chat. Boa got the attention of one of the servers who took and filled our order and then sat with us, which was fine with me as she was the prettiest lady I saw anywhere that evening. After chatting for a few minutes Boa asked if I was staying at the same hotel, which she said she really liked, and suggested I take her and the drink service lady back to my room for a threesome. Now that was a first for me. I've never seen such an attractive lady taking drink orders in a gogo; and it had never been suggested to me that I BF a lady serving drinks. Remembering that I had a good time with Boa and considering that the drink girl was rather hot I was tempted. So I asked if they had done threesomes together before. No was the answer. I then asked if they had ever licked each other's pussies. That got a laugh and another no. Figuring this would end up with me paying twice as much and each girl working half as hard I said I'd come back on another night and take them up on their offer. I lied. I had no intention of going back.
That was enough of Soi Cowboy for one night. Over the next two weeks I walked through it several times on my way to eating at the Love Scene, which is now one of my hangouts, but I didn't bother going into any of the bars again. I didn't see such a large police presence again, but on each subsequent visit the police were conspicuous and I often saw two and three police officers walk together through Soi Cowboy on patrol. Oh, and after being recognized at CH and DH, I decided to skip Suzy Wong altogether.
Over the next two weeks I visited Nana Plaza several times. I preferred Soi Cowboy in June, but not this trip. I saw police at the entrance of the plaza, but fewer in number and never walking around inside. Compared to Soi Cowboy, Nana Plaza had better looking ladies showing more skin. I visited RB1, 3 & 4. RB4 had ladies dancing topless. The other two did not. RB3 had an average lineup. RB1&4 had relatively good lineups. RB4, and RB1 to a lesser degree, had a number of Japanese customers. Still, I found the ladies gave me plenty of attention and clearly wanted me to BF them. Perhaps simply because business was slow, but in June I also got plenty of attention at these venues, but then business was also very slow. At RB1, which was my favorite venue on this trip, I ran into Moojie. I spotted her first, but she immediately recognized me when I called out her name. She also remembered our over the top porn movie reenactment and commented that it was fun and hilarious. We ended up hooking up three times and had an absolute blast together. I will cover our antics in another report. I stopped in Spanky's a couple of times. It was as fun as ever. The lineup is average looking, but the girls there have more fun than those in any other bar I visited. There was also plenty of topless dancing and more than a little full nudity there. I also stopped into Mercury for a drink. They have good beverage service with generous pours, good prices and a selection of decent whiskies. The lineup is average, but the girls are friendly.
Unlike on visits a couple of years ago, none of the girls in any of the bars approached me and requested I buy them a LD. Even the girls who remembered me from June just said Hello, and did not push getting treated to a drink, though I offered to buy each lady a couple of drinks.
Late at night the sidewalks from Soi 15 going towards Terminal 21 are lined with food stands, pop-up bars and FLs, a number of which are LBs. I had several very early morning meals at one of the food stands. As for the LBs, they were easy to spot and avoid. Many grabbed my arm as I walked buy. I just pulled my arm away, ignored them and kept walking. I don't like getting pawed and wasn't going to even acknowledge them by making eye contact. As for the FLs, they ranged from not worth it to okay looking. None were even close to stunning, but a few were fuckable. I also saw some attractive ladies hanging out around Thermae, which is next door to my hotel. Many, but not all had too much plastic surgery, and some were made up to appeal to the Japanese customers, which though amusing does not appeal to me. However, more than a few were at least decent looking and a few were quite attractive. Inside I observed the same as in June, lots of attractive FLs and many patrons who appeared to be Japanese. Many of the ladies standing close to the entrance established eye contact and smiled invitingly when I walked in. As was the case in June, it seemed to me that a farang would have no problem scoring an attractive FL there if he wanted to.
Finally, I have no idea where you find them, but there are SW in Bangkok that look as good as the best looking pretties at Siam Paragon and the models you see on the billboards and video screens. Early one evening as I sat in my hotel's lobby waiting for BKKMick I saw two ladies walk in together. Their dress and manner made it obvious they were high-end escorts. I watched them go over to the concierge desk and after waiting a minute or so get escorted to the elevators. On another occasions I was having a drink in the hotel's bar on the 32nd floor and saw two men walk in, separately, each accompanied by an escort as attractive as the two I saw in the lobby. Again the ladies' dress and manner made their occupation clear. Both of the men looked to be in their mid-forties, were clean cut, average looking, dressed in expensive smart casual clothes and oozed success and self-confidence. Finally, in the wee hours one morning I was sitting in the hotel lobby reading the Financial Times. Over the course of about thirty minutes I watched three escorts walk from the direction of the elevators through the lobby and out the hotel's entrance. All seven of the ladies I saw on these three occasions were 9's. So they are out there. But where? I've never seen a lady in a gogo, MP or from an escort agency who could hold a candle to any of these seven ladies.
I had less time for mongering on this trip so there will be just three more reports coming, hopefully sooner and not later. One will be on another night with BKKMick and four ladies. A second will be a report about a fantastic threesome with Ice, who is now at Tulip working as Lisa, and a new 20 year old at Tulip named Joupjang. Then I'll finish with a report on my three escapades with Moojie.
I also spent a few days vacationing in Macau in between taking care of some business in Bangkok and Hong Kong. There I visited two saunas, Familia Nobre and Rio. I will write one report about the two visits on the Macau Sauna Reviews thread.
Paul, thanks for the overview and a preview of coming attractions! Hehehe.
Was just reading your July trip report (again) about the threesome / sixsome and it really helped with planning my own upcoming trip in early January. I don't think I have the stamina for a threesome but it's always nice to know more about the ladies.
BTW, have you noticed that the Cherry Massage site seems to be only a one pager now? Or do I have the wrong link somehow?
Best!
Paul Kausch
12-16-14, 21:55
Paul, thanks for the overview and a preview of coming attractions! Hehehe.Here's a brief preview that is pertinent to your comments.
My threesome with Ice and Joupjang was in it's own way as good an experience as the orgy with BKKMick and the four ladies. To give you a sneak preview of the report, Ice is lesbian and had the hots for Joupang. The evening consisted of me assisting Ice and Ice assisting me to absolutely ravage a very curious and eager 20 year old. It was almost as much fun to watch Ice and Joupjang as it was to fuck Joupjang. I highly recommend a MFF when there is enthusiastic lesbian action as there was in our threesome.
In contrast the last orgy turned out to be two threesomes. Overall it was a great night, but none of the ladies were lesbian or bisexual, which completely changed what transpired.
Moojie is a little tigress and we had a blast together. Coincidentally, the night before we first hooked up she did her first MFF with a farang couple and loved it. She described considerable hardcore lesbian action which she thoroughly enjoyed. She made it clear in the future she would only be interested in lesbian action with farang women. Others have told me the same. Some Thai women who are into farang women wouldn't think of going down on a Thai woman.
I've noticed the same about the Cherry website. I do know a few of the Cherry ladies are out of the country looking for more business. That may have something to do with it.
The vast majority of Americans visiting Cuba are Cubans visiting family, not to engage in PFP.
More Canadians go to Cuba than Americans. Canada has a population a small fraction of the size of the USA.
Way more Americans visit Thailand than Cuba. Especially non Cuban Americans.
The airfare for a Canadian to visit Cuba costs about the same as going to Bangkok. From Vancouver, near Seattle, it is more expensive to fly to Cuba. And BTW 70 percent more expensive to go to Brazil than BKK.
"Cuba is the only country in the world the USA Government restricts its own citizens from visiting. Americans can go to Burma, Iran, even North Korea if those places give them a visa. ".
http://www.npr.org/2012/02/06/146474813/u-s-travel-to-cuba-grows-as-restrictions-are-eased
"Tourist travel to Cuba is prohibited under USA Law for citizens and others under USA Jurisdiction.
"Authorized travelers to Cuba are subject to daily spending limits. See the Office of Foreign Assets Control page of the USA Department of the Treasury. ".
http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/english/country/cuba.html"The airfare for a Canadian to visit Cuba costs about the same as going to Bangkok. From Vancouver, near Seattle, it is more expensive to fly to Cuba. ".
Curious as to where you got your airfare quotes. Vancouver to BKK 16 hours, varies from about the same to higher than Vancouver-Cuba 11 hours via Westjet. Toronto-Cuba via Westjet way less, flying time is 6 hours to Cuba versus 20 hours Toronto-BKK. I flew Westjet Vancouver to Cuba in June on Westjet and flying Vancouver to BKK in January on China Air. Both fares were $1000 cad, conversion at today's rate wud be $870 usd.
1...The gogo bars have changed dramatically. In June I saw a lot of nudity. Then the girls at Crazy House were hot and mostly buck naked. So I went there on my first night out this trip, which was a Thursday, and was surprised to see that Crazy House had turned into a dog house. On that night they were the sorriest looking collection of girls I saw in any gogo I visited on the trip
2...Many of the ladies standing close to the entrance established eye contact and smiled invitingly when I walked in. As was the case in June, it seemed to me that a farang would have no problem scoring an attractive FL there if he wanted to.
<<<because you got smiled at, you fantasized you could have scored>>>?
3...Finally, I have no idea where you find them, but there are SW in Bangkok that look as good as the best looking pretties at Siam Paragon report.
<<<have a taxi take you on a drive down Makkasan at say 11 p.m.>>.. 1<changed? Dramatically?Sure. Right. At what time at CH might this have been would be useful information. The good ones don't last long and like everywhere, what's left over later are the dregs.
"The airfare for a Canadian to visit Cuba costs about the same as going to Bangkok. From Vancouver, near Seattle, it is more expensive to fly to Cuba. ".
Curious as to where you got your airfare quotes. Vancouver to BKK 16 hours, varies from about the same to higher than Vancouver-Cuba 11 hours via Westjet. Toronto-Cuba via Westjet way less, flying time is 6 hours to Cuba versus 20 hours Toronto-BKK. I flew Westjet Vancouver to Cuba in June on Westjet and flying Vancouver to BKK in January on China Air. Both fares were $1000 cad, conversion at today's rate wud be $870 usd.Flight duration & distances don't necessarily tell us what routes will have a higher price. For example CP was charging a certain rate for a one way from HKG to VCR. I got the same price for the trip from SG to BKK to HKG to VCR. Moreover it included a return trip to BKK via HKG!
To use another example, on the following site a quote for a trip to BKK from NY city is 882 USD, yet 943 USD from Seattle.
http://www.alternativeairlines.com/
According to the same source you can get a late April 2015 trip from VCR to BKK for 837 USD. To Havana, Cuba instead, at the same time, it listed $977.
Here's a brief preview that is pertinent to your comments.
My threesome with Ice and Joupjang was in it's own way as good an experience as the orgy with BKKMick and the four ladies. To give you a sneak preview of the report, Ice is lesbian and had the hots for Joupang. The evening consisted of me assisting Ice and Ice assisting me to absolutely ravage a very curious and eager 20 year old. It was almost as much fun to watch Ice and Joupjang as it was to fuck Joupjang. I highly recommend a MFF when there is enthusiastic lesbian action as there was in our threesome.
Didn't have Tulip on my TDL but hrmmm.
I was thinking of bringing in Bamboo girls to my hotel (Grand Millenium) but, boy, are we spoilt for choice!
I don't think its the prices that keep Americans from going to BKK. Its how long it takes.
Be very wary over police shakedowns at the moment. Seems to happen a lot in upper Sukhumvit. So from Asoke area up to Thonglor (So Soi 19 upwards).
http://www.smh.com.au/world/bangkok-tourists-caught-up-in-shakedown-20141212-125voa.htmlThank you for posting this. Does anyone here have any experience with this? It is sometimes difficult to know whether media reports are overblown, or portray things accurately.
I've noticed the same about the Cherry website. I do know a few of the Cherry ladies are out of the country looking for more business. That may have something to do with it.I sent an email to Cherry a few hours ago and they responded extremely quickly with a very informative reply listing services and prices. They also attached a pdf with their current roster.
They said that their site should be back up in 2-3 weeks.
Fitibikeco
12-17-14, 05:06
I will travel to Bangkok in February with my girlfriend but I have only one night free to escape and to enjoy the night in Bangkok without her.
For that night I have US $250 dollars to spend in a good Thai pussy (or two), so please what place do you recommend to have a good experience with a Thai girl? W I'm looking for full.
Service, DFK and DATY if is possible. I have only one opportunity to live the Thai experience so in advance
Thanks!
Anyone read Stickman in which he interview 3 escorts. Just as delusional as some men are. They are not like agogo prostitutes- they are much better.
What puzzles me is the income, 100,000-300,000 baht is normal? I highly doubt it. Can someone confirm.
I read this as well and am skeptical. I know a few fls who are also on escort sites and they all told me that they are lucky if they get more than a few assignations a month thru the site. Thus still freelancing. But just running thru the numbers it seems unlikely that most escorts make this kind of money. Most escorts charge 5000 baht a session of which they keep 2500. So for 100,000 that would be 40 sessions a month. For 300,000 baht that would be 120 sessions a month. There are a ton of escort services out there so it is hard to figure that many girls would get that many sessions especially as most of them don't look that great on the websites even with photoshop aiding them (I confess to booking an escort girl one time. It was the same girl as the photo but 1/3 as good looking). But I guess from time to time they get the big spenders or guys who take them all day or all week and that is a huge charge. Perhaps a few top girls at elite escort services do well but I would guess that most do not. But this opinion is just that. But if those girls that Stickman interviewed with a photo of each are making that kind of money, then every working girl in Thailand should be in the escort business.
Paul Kausch
12-17-14, 07:12
The good ones don't last long and like everywhere, what's left over later are the dregs.I was there about 9 pm; the stage was packed; I intentionally mentioned I was there only one night and that it was a Thursday night in late November.
Work Girls earnings vary tremendously. It is of course the multiplication of the number of customers by the price per occasion.
A top bargirl can make very far in excess of 100 K per month sometimes approaching 200 K. Why? She might do 2 STs in the evening at 2. 5 K or 3 K followed by a late LT booking on a good night, or even 4 STs sometimes. Takes many ST customers in a room above bar. Some guys blow their load quite quickly. She doesn't do 2 shots unless the customer pays extra. She is hard working and takes just a few days off per month. May take her first ST of evening as early as 6:30 PM. In contrast other bargirls are getting BFed quite rarely. They just cannot compete with the stunning and charming girls.
An Oily girl probably makes about 1400 per booking, so to make big money, has to take more customers.
A BJ Bar girl gets only half of a very low fee per BJ. So has to do a very large number of customers to make big money, or get some good tips. Amazingly some customers try to get BJ and sex for just the 1 K, where girl probably only gets half of it. Ridiculous. Girls can boost earnings by VIP or off for the night providing customer is not too stingy.
I don't know much about how much business escort girls can get so won't comment.
I read this as well and am skeptical. I know a few fls who are also on escort sites and they all told me that they are lucky if they get more than a few assignations a month thru the site. Thus still freelancing. But just running thru the numbers it seems unlikely that most escorts make this kind of money. Most escorts charge 5000 baht a session of which they keep 2500. So for 100,000 that would be 40 sessions a month. For 300,000 baht that would be 120 sessions a month.As always, one would expect a huge gulf between the earnings of a very ordinary escort girl and one that is in high demand.
The gogo bars have changed dramatically. In June I saw a lot of nudity. Then the girls at Crazy House were hot and mostly buck naked. So I went there on my first night out this trip, which was a Thursday, and was surprised to see that Crazy House had turned into a dog house. All the girls were wearing bikini tops and a G-string covered by a micro skirt. On that night they were the sorriest looking collection of girls I saw in any gogo I visited on the trip.I am shocked. This is from someone with not such a high standard for ladies (based on the thick, flat assed, siliconed Nun at SW). LOL. Maybe you don't go for all the really slim girls at Crazy House that might appeal to me.
It was just a temporary aberration. Nudity is back. Some young girls are probably back. Friday and Saturday nights sees an influx of extra girls on no salary that boosts the line up. Good girls get BFed early, so line up deteriorates particularly on weaker days. This bar is packed out with customers by 8:30 PM. You would be crazy to arrive late. Some girl (s) previously doing nude dancing, and very good looking, have changed to clothed PR front of house work. Some of the very hottest girls disappeared or are now seen rarely. One such girl was Nut with a 10 body including high natural see+ cups, and a 9 point face, and one of the good ones on the bed. Finished with her Tom girlfriend and disappeared from the bar a few months back. Would have booked her regularly if she kept coming. Line up for sure is down a bit from last June, but still packs the customers in very early in the night. There are some really great looking slim girls still there at times. Still more better looking natural girls than the other bars in Cowboy, if you don't need big tits. Even the Coyote bars I have been in don't really have more than 2 or 3 stunners. However my standard is set very high.
I will take a look in Baccara tonight if Mint is working (a very pretty natural girl), as I normally hate the "alien" look of most Baccara girls.
Do guys really buy out new off the farm prostitutes out of the bar? And if they do -what do they do with them? No fake dating or living together first?
What puzzles me is the income, 100,000-300,000 baht is normal? I highly doubt it. Can someone confirm.I've heard of a few guys taking fresh girls from bars, mainly related to me by bar owners as they are now down a staff member. I wouldn't say it is common but it happens. There is a buy-out fee payable to the bar, I was told what it was but can't remember now. Old age is getting to me.
I'd be skeptical about the income. 100,000 I could believe if they were sponsored by an OS boyfriend or two, but then they probably wouldn't bother being in the industry much as this is a pretty high income.
Work Girls earnings vary tremendously. It is of course the multiplication of the number of customers by the price per occasion.
A top bargirl can make very far in excess of 100 K per month sometimes approaching 200 K. Why? She might do 2 STs in the evening at 2. 5 K or 3 K followed by a late LT booking on a good night, or even 4 STs sometimes. Takes many ST customers in a room above bar. Some guys blow their load quite quickly. She doesn't do 2 shots unless the customer pays extra. She is hard working and takes just a few days off per month. May take her first ST of evening as early as 6:30 PM. In contrast other bargirls are getting BFed quite rarely. They just cannot compete with the stunning and charming girls.
An Oily girl probably makes about 1400 per booking, so to make big money, has to take more customers.
A BJ Bar girl gets only half of a very low fee per BJ. So has to do a very large number of customers to make big money, or get some good tips. Amazingly some customers try to get BJ and sex for just the 1 K, where girl probably only gets half of it. Ridiculous. Girls can boost earnings by VIP or off for the night providing customer is not too stingy.
I don't know much about how much business escort girls can get so won't comment.You must be losing it. I find it hard to believe populars girls who get barfined everyday-no matter Hi or low season, Hi water or low water are willing to top off the night with a long time. Or go cruising as a FL at a dingy disco.
Thomas Jefferson
12-17-14, 09:43
Work Girls earnings vary tremendously. It is of course the multiplication of the number of customers by the price per occasion.
A top bargirl can make very far in excess of 100 K per month sometimes approaching 200 K. Why? She might do 2 STs in the evening at 2. 5 K or 3 K followed by a late LT booking on a good night, or even 4 STs sometimes. Takes many ST customers in a room above bar. Some guys blow their load quite quickly. She doesn't do 2 shots unless the customer pays extra. She is hard working and takes just a few days off per month. May take her first ST of evening as early as 6:30 PM. In contrast other bargirls are getting BFed quite rarely. They just cannot compete with the stunning and charming girls.
An Oily girl probably makes about 1400 per booking, so to make big money, has to take more customers.
A BJ Bar girl gets only half of a very low fee per BJ. So has to do a very large number of customers to make big money, or get some good tips. Amazingly some customers try to get BJ and sex for just the 1 K, where girl probably only gets half of it. Ridiculous. Girls can boost earnings by VIP or off for the night providing customer is not too stingy.
I don't know much about how much business escort girls can get so won't comment.I know one massage girl from a massage place in Soi 4.
Normal Thai massage is 500 thb, she gets half, she is working 6 days per week from 2 pm to 2 am, and has between 5-8 customers a day, so it is around 1500 thb per day. But her real earnings are for the extra service.
Soi 4 is actually very expensive for that. She charge 500 for handjob or 1000 for blowjob, sex is not allowed in there. She tells me that around 3-4 blowjob per day (3-4000 thb).
That means around 4000 per day x 6 days per week = 24000 x4 weeks = 96000 per month. She is an normal average massage girl 28 years.
I bet many don't earn that amount in US or Europe.
You must be losing it. I find it hard to believe populars girls who get barfined everyday-no matter Hi or low season, Hi water or low water are willing to top off the night with a long time. Or go cruising as a FL at a dingy disco.I am not losing it. I know one very highly in demand bargirl. She literally has problems with several repeat customers all showing up and wanting her at the same time. The mamasan has to say to them "take a number" in the queue. She doesn't have to go to lousy disco and waste her time. She has many customers pre-booking her. I have been just one of her customers. She says that she very rarely has to take a new customer, as she has so many regular customers. This is an exceptional abnormal case. I only use it to illustrate that a top bargirl can earn big money. Baccara has top girls that do 3 STs a night on a very regular basis too. Many of the Japanese customers live here.
I am in Thailand for total of 4 months per year. Seasons has nothing to do with it. I may be missing in the peak tourist season somewhat.
Have you never been to Rainbow 4 and seen the hottest girls there, leave with a customer, return 30 mins later, and soon be leaving with another customer? I go there very rarely but I have witnessed the girls that work a procession of customers.
I am going to change my tune dramatically about Crazy House. There has been a very disturbing trend there. Quite a number of girls appear to have got recent nose jobs. I don't know if there is some bulk discount going.
To me this just makes the girls look less Thai, less feminine and even less human. They could be a bunch of aliens. The acceleration in nose jobs is dramatic. Its a copycat fashion. Girls that previously had beautiful noses to my taste have now lost the slight up curve. I am now really struggling to find many beautiful and 100% natural girls. Fortunately the number of silicone boobs has not taken off that dramatically. However I am thinking this bar is soon going to have mostly girls that look similar to the Baccara alien look. One girl looked decidedly like a LB, however I was assured she was not and had a real pussy. I suppose to be fair, the hairstyles are generally still not as ridiculous as a Baccara or Rainbow 4.
I could swear that when I first attended Crazy House the percentage of nose jobs was quite low. Now it seems well beyond the 50% mark and could even be approaching 80% for girls worth looking at. I haven't tried a head count of course. There is also possibly a decline in percentage of totally nude girls.
Its getting to the point that I am losing all interest in attending any bars to just watch naked girls. Getting too hard to find any all natural quality. I will probably just arrange to meet selected favourite girls via Line App or similar when need a fuck. Maybe occasional bar look for new talent.
Today was in Crazy House by 8:15. This is best time to see the best line up. Bar was almost full. Mostly Farangs. Very few Japanese today. This is a big shock. Don't understand why. Perhaps with all the nose jobs, they might think that Baccara is just as good now, or move to Shark.
Walked past Boss Massage (Soi 24/1) today at 6:30PM. Maybe 15 girls sitting outside. At least 3 of them looked rather pretty to my taste. I think their line up is seriously prettier than most Oilies. Service, I don't know since my favourite girls from there are gone.
Paul Kausch; s Mojie is one of the few who can come back from a short time and be off on another one in 20 minute. She is an exception!
Carefully analyzing Rainbow 1 girls I wouldn't be surprised if most are in debt to the bar. They are just so not worth $100 for a short time or any time for that matter.
I also count 5 are. 1 girls who have moved on to are. 4. That tells me its hard to make money at are. 1. I just don't see the barfining there like The other Rainbows.
That means around 4000 per day x 6 days per week = 24000 x4 weeks = 96000 per month. She is an normal average massage girl 28 years.I remember reading a post a few years back from a bloke who's GF worked at a BKK F / S oily. He had her keep detailed income records for 1 month which he said was an average month for her: number of shop customers, the average price paid, shop tips, outside the shop customers, ect. I forget the exact number but I believe recalling her income was between 100,000 and 120,000 baht that month, which seemed completely plausible when presented with the data.
SunLover.
Paul Kausch
12-18-14, 00:00
Paul Kausch; s Mojie is one of the few who can come back from a short time and be off on another one in 20 minute. She is an exception!
Carefully analyzing Rainbow 1 girls I wouldn't be surprised if most are in debt to the bar. They are just so not worth $100 for a short time or any time for that matter.
I also count 5 are. 1 girls who have moved on to are. 4. That tells me its hard to make money at are. 1. I just don't see the barfining there like The other Rainbows.Ah, so you know her too. We should compare notes. ;)
Moojie had some very interesting things to say to me about how she works, how the other ladies work and conversations she's had with them about how to get more customers. I was going to include parts of these conversations in my report about her, which I hope to get around to writing eventually.
I saw a couple of girls at Rainbow 4 I thought were attractive, and a smaller number of attractive girls at Rainbow 1. None were attractive enough to motivate me to BF them though. A couple might have gotten my juices flowing had they not been so lethargic on stage. I had fun at RB1 because there is an older lady working there, I can't figure out exactly what she does, who I have fun kidding around with; and I enjoy watching Moojie work the audience. I didn't see one lady I would consider attractive at any of the other gogo bars I visited, except for the two ladies I ran into at CH and DH in Soi Cowboy It was weird the night I was in DH to find one of the drink service girl to be the most attractive girl in the venue that night. Though as I mentioned in my report I think the girls at Spanky's seem to have fun.
The reader should be aware that because of my age, I'm going on 64, I now find young women attractive whom I wouldn't have considered going out with twenty years ago. I also consider performance and personality most important. I enjoy being with an older lady, who some guys may think is past her prime, when the sex is great.
Paul Kausch
12-18-14, 02:21
One of the ladies I saw in June was Moojie from Rainbow 1. We had a hilarious time together. I'll never forget her announcing as I was about to blow my wad all over her, "Oh, please, cum on my face, cum in my mouth, just don't cum in my hair."
A couple nights into my trip I walked over to Nana Plaza. Rainbow 1 was the first venue I visited. Within minutes of sitting down Moojie walked past me. She had not been outside when I came in so I guess she had just finished an ST with a customer. I called out her name. She turned and immediately recognized me. After a big hug we joked around about our antics in June. When we got around to talking about getting together again I told her I'd prefer another night, which she said was good because she was pre-booked for the rest of the evening. We agreed to meet in the lobby of my hotel at 7 pm the next night.
Moojie is one of the most cheerful, energetic girls I've met in Bangkok. She's always wearing the smile you see in the photos attached to this report. She is filled with the most infectious joy. I love fucking her. I love just being with her.
Next night she showed up right on time. I asked her if she was in a hurry. She said no. So I suggested we go up to the bar on the 32nd floor and have a drink on the terrace. I had a Laphroaig neat and a back of water with one ice cube. She had a Heineken and a shot of tequila. There was a nice cool breeze and an excellent view. It was a nice start.
After spending about thirty minutes on the terrace we went down to my room. Once in the room Moojie asked if she could take a shower, which I didn't think was necessary as she was dressed in a very sexy dress and looked as though she was ready to hit the town. Earlier she had told me she was dressed for another booking later that evening. I told her I had showered just before going downstairs to meet her and would just wait for her to get cleaned up.
After her shower it didn't take long to get down to business. Moojie came out of the shower wrapped in a bath towel that she immediately discarded. She is petite and has a very lean body. Her waist is small. There is some curvature to her hips and ass; and her legs are toned. Unfortunately she has had her breasts augmented, but the work was well done. Other than being much too big for her petite body and too perfect to be real, they look and feel quite natural. Moojie is very proud that they don't look like the unnatural breast implants most gogo girls have. She volunteered that they cost 60,000, which was paid by one generous client. Moojie also told me she has had some work done on her nose, a little silicon in the bridge. Other than that she claims she is all natural. Other than that. :rolleyes: She has a few tattoos, but neither stretch marks nor a C-section scar that I can see. Her skin is rather tan. She says she grew up in Bangkok but I'm under the impression at least part of her family came from the south, though that isn't entirely clear. Moojie is hardly a classic Thai beauty, but I think she's cute, and the combination of great sex, great personality and great chemistry make her a winner in my book.
Unlike our one session last year in which we had a crazy scene mimicking a porn shoot, this time we just had some straightforward hardcore sex. We started with DFK, which quickly developed into a very nice BBBJ, then some DATY, which evolved into some 69. I had brought a few toys, a LELO vibrator that simultaneously stimulates the G-spot and clit and a semi-rigid, beaded, vibrating anal probe. Both were put to good use to Moojie considerable enjoyment. Of course there was some missionary, some cowgirl and some doggy. We finished with COF, which she says is her preferred way to finish a session. It was 90 minutes of great sex. Before leaving we agreed to hook up again in a couple of nights.
A couple of nights later I waited in the lobby, and waited, and wait. No Moojie. Now were I a brash young man I might have gotten pissed, but I'm not. I asked myself, clearly this young lady likes me. So far she has been reliable. So what happened? My hunch was stupid me was too lazy to go over to RB1 and pre-book her and some other bastard did. So what to do. I decided, what the hell, I'm going to go over to RB1 and find out. So 15 minutes later in I walk and there's Moojie dancing on stage. She sees me. Her smile disappears and is replaced by a worried look. So I flash her a huge grin, blow her a big kiss and presto, her lovely smile reappears. In a flash she hops off the stage and dashes over to where I'm sitting. We hug, exchange pecks on the cheeks and she immediately starts to explain that the day before she got two bookings, one for early evening, one late. I told her that was what I figured and assured her I was not mad, it was my fault for not booking her and just assuming she would show up at my hotel. She then gushed on and on about what a great guy I am. Another reason I like her is she is a good judge of character. It was about 8:30 pm and I asked if she'd like to go have a romp in one of the ST rooms. So off we went to fuck each other's brains out. Thirty minutes later we spent a half-hour cuddling and talking. I remarked that the bar did not look too busy and asked if she was getting enough customers. No problem she said. Even if there were only a few customers in the bar, she said she could get as many BFs as she wanted over the course of an evening. The way she does it is simple. She actually dances in tempo with the music with lots of seductive movement. She wraps her leg around the polls and thrusts her hips like she's fucking the poll. She moves around the stage until she spots her mark, at which time she moves in and closes the deal. She particularly likes to find a table of two or three Japanese men and go to work on all of them. And rather than taking them in two or three consecutive sessions, she'll get all of them to go to a ST room with her for a total of an hour. As she sucks and fucks one guy the others watch and wait until it is their turn. So one hour yields three BFs and three FS fees. Smart. Efficient. I also think Moojie is a bit of an exhibitionist and gets into have the other guys watch her while she's fucking.
Moojie told me she gets a bit of blow back from the other dancers who complain they don't get BFed all the time like she does. Moojie is a sweetie by nature and rather than rubbing it in tries to coach them. She explains what she does. She tells the other girls to just watch her and copy her behavior. She says it is to no avail. The other girls refuse to follow her example. I suggested they may lack her lack of inhibitions.
After our session, we went back to RB1. I told her I was going to book her for 7 pm for another night and she should meet me in my hotel's lobby. Moojie said great and announced she had time for one more trick before getting ready for a later pre-booking. Busy girl. So for the next fifteen minutes I had fun watching her go to work on stage. Sure enough she spotted two Japanese guys and went to work on them. I was sitting on the opposite side of the stage from them so occasionally Moojie could turn, face me and give me a quick wink. I left shortly after watching her lead the two gentlemen out of the bar.
A couple nights later we met in the lobby right on time. First we went to dinner at a nice restaurant close to BKK, then it was back to my hotel for a couple hours of some of the best sex I've ever had with one woman. Afterwards we settled in under the sheets. Earlier I had told Moojie I had to get up early the next morning and head out for Hong Kong. She said then she'd like to spend the night with me. I didn't try to talk her out of it. So she cuddled up next to me and we fell asleep. I woke up early the next morning and started to pack as quietly as I could. At one point I looked over towards the bed and saw her looking at me with a big smile on her face. I told her I'd try to be quieter so she could go back to sleep. She said she just wanted to lie there and watch me pack. Shortly before I finished she got up, showered and dressed. We kissed, said good bye and promised to see each other again in the spring.
Mojie can coach all she wants. It probably wouldn't do any good. She is just a freak of nature.
Michael Jordan can coach all he wants. It didn't do any good.
I've given in-looks matter but not as much as I thunk before. So many decent lookers get no action. Some? Able lookers get bar fined consistently.
Thank you for posting this. Does anyone here have any experience with this? It is sometimes difficult to know whether media reports are overblown, or portray things accurately.It seems Thonglor disctrict police have said its not them, they appear to be blaming Klong Toei police district police of crossing the district lines and doing this in Thonglor area. Who knows, to you and me they all have the same brown uniform.
All you need to know is that the top policeman has said that tourists DO NOT need to carry passports or copies on them. But may be asked to report to a police station to show them if they are not carrying them on their person. There is no FINE to be paid for not carrying. EG no tea money in street shakedowns! He also said you can take video or photos of the police (only the ones trying to do something dodgy will refuse to have their identity taken in effect).
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXsFNmeprB8.
Police now investigating the Police over Police stop and search scams (its Thailand) : http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/784991-expat-restaurateur-meets-with-thai-police-to-discuss-stop-and-search/
Also if you do get caught by the Bangkok council enforcers (brown uniform but not identical to police) - you do not have to pay a fine to them directly for dropping a cigarette butt. You can demand to be taken to a police station and to pay the fine at the police station. This will mean they have to give you a receipt (official one) and will not want to waste their time and in general will let you go with a warning.
Any trouble with the BMA litter officers or the police then call the Tourist Police number on 1155 immediately and speak to them. There are now so many eyes looking at them and so many people complaining that the threat of a call to the Tourist Police is enough to stop them. They will only get money from the weak now who are easily intimidated.
Just remember, be polite, do not get angry, but assert your rights (and one of those is they cannot touch you) and call the Tourist Police and if money is asked for then demand to walk to the nearest police station / box to sort the matter out.
Where You Go
12-18-14, 05:01
What would you do with 30 days in Thailand and $10 k in cash? Long overdue trip coming up in February. Appreciate any suggestions, maybe your top three spots for each category, soapy, oily, FL locations, or individuals. I'm searching the threads for tips but thought this would make a good topic for all you pro mongers!
As she sucks and fucks one guy the others watch and wait until it is their turn. So one hour yields three BFs and three FS fees. Smart. Efficient. Interesting report. Moojie is a cutie and seems like a sweet, smart and good girl. But I really can't imagine 3 guys stupid enough to be each paying a bar fine for the same girl at the same time for the same one hour total sex time. Are you sure it wasn't 1 guy bar fining her and the others just paying for their share of the sex at her current ST rate?
Is there a curfew, what's the deal?
I am going to change my tune dramatically about Crazy House. There has been a very disturbing trend there. Quite a number of girls appear to have got recent nose jobs. I don't know if there is some bulk discount going.
To me this just makes the girls look less Thai, less feminine and even less human. They could be a bunch of aliens. The acceleration in nose jobs is dramatic. Its a copycat fashion. Girls that previously had beautiful noses to my taste have now lost the slight up curve. I am now really struggling to find many beautiful and 100% natural girls. Fortunately the number of silicone boobs has not taken off that dramatically. However I am thinking this bar is soon going to have mostly girls that look similar to the Baccara alien look. One girl looked decidedly like a LB, however I was assured she was not and had a real pussy. I suppose to be fair, the hairstyles are generally still not as ridiculous as a Baccara or Rainbow 4.
I could swear that when I first attended Crazy House the percentage of nose jobs was quite low. Now it seems well beyond the 50% mark and could even be approaching 80% for girls worth looking at. I haven't tried a head count of course...Visited Crazy House last night and it was full. But I have never understood the "hype" of this bar. The girls are mostly average, even though there are some stunning girls there. But in my opinion the mamasans are too pushy and there is a lack of good atmosphere in this bar. Temperature is too cold so most girls complain about this all the time. Best bars in Soi Cowboy is Shark, Long Gun, Cowboy2. If you are Korean, go to Baccara for the "dolls". Also visited several bars in Nana Plaza. Amazing quantity and quality in Rainbow4 and very busy last night. By far the most popular bar in there. Spankys can also be fun if you are in the mood for some whipping. The rest is more average, but with some cute and natural looking girls in every bar. Men have different opinions also, so I guess we should appreciate the diversity.
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to my hotel for a couple hours of some of the best sex I've ever had with one woman. Afterwards we settled in under the sheets. Earlier I had told Moojie I had to get up early the next morning and head out for Hong Kong. She said then she'd like to spend the night with me. I didn't try to talk her out of it. So she cuddled up next to me and we fell asleep. I woke up early the next morning and started to pack as quietly as I could. At one point I looked over towards the bed and saw her looking at me with a big smile on her face. I told her I'd try to be quieter so she could go back to sleep. She said she just wanted to lie there and watch me pack. Shortly before I finished she got up, showered and dressed. We kissed, said good bye and promised to see each other again in the spring.Great report and sounds like quite the gal. The room has got to be in the Sofitel Sukhumvit. The shutters behind the tub is the give away. Great place.
Interesting report. Moojie is a cutie and seems like a sweet, smart and good girl. But I really can't imagine 3 guys stupid enough to be each paying a bar fine for the same girl at the same time for the same one hour total sex time. Are you sure it wasn't 1 guy bar fining her and the others just paying for their share of the sex at her current ST rate?Baffles me. Once you BF a girl, out, then can negotiate with her to have some guys watching for a reasonable fee, if she is not shy. Certainly no need to pay additional BFs. Guys used to be able to go drink at SOL in Patpong and watch a guy (could have been me on rare occasions) fuck some girl in the public bar for free (well just the cost of their drink).
I much prefer to have multiple girls and no other guys needed. Then it makes sense that you have to BF each girl.
The girl is not actually my taste, based on face pics, but fortunately we don't all like the same thing. At Rainbow 1, I thought one waitress was very pretty / hot (and quickly busy with a customer), but the rest were not so pretty on that night, a few months back.
I also objected to a ST Hotel (Penny Black) in Soi Cowboy, that wanted to double the price when I took 2 girls. I pay the Hotel for the room and not for the girls. Fortunately Asoke Place only increases the room fee by 100 Baht for additional girls which more than covers the extra towels, etc. I boycott Penny Black now as too much of a rip off, and they have too few rooms since some part was converted to something else.
Paul Kausch
12-18-14, 11:57
Interesting report. Moojie is a cutie and seems like a sweet, smart and good girl. But I really can't imagine 3 guys stupid enough to be each paying a bar fine for the same girl at the same time for the same one hour total sex time. Are you sure it wasn't 1 guy bar fining her and the others just paying for their share of the sex at her current ST rate?I have not seen her pick up three guys at a time, but I did see her pick up two. Though I do not know how long the session lasted. It could have gone on for one hour. It could have gone on for two hours. I did see both guys reach into their pocket and pay the tab. I have no idea if two BFs were on the tab. If it was my bar I'd have put two BFs on that tab. Watching the transaction it sure looked like the guys made it clear to the mamasan that they were both going with her, and if this is her modus operandi, I bet the procedure is all worked out.
I wouldn't necessarily attribute it to stupidity. Some guys are into gang bangs and bukkake. Being a fan of Japanese porn, I can easily imagine what Moojie described happening. The whole point is for several guys to be with the girl at the same time. I've never tried to get one girl to fuck me and several other guys in the same session. For all I know a girl willing to do that may be hard to find. Also, if you watch Japanese porn, you will notice the actresses don't behave the same way as Caucasian porn stars. Perhaps Moojie has mastered that manner and has cultivated a reputation with Japanese men.
By the way, when I asked her Moojie said she only fucked one guy at time and did not allow anal / vaginal DP. However, she is a-level and really enjoys a good anal fuck, once you've gotten her worked up and good and ready. Coincidentally many, though certainly not all, Japanese gang bang film show several guys fucking a girl sequentially, not simultaneous, with a big bukkake finale. And I do know Moojie's preferred way for a guy to finish is with COF / CIM, which she greets with a big smiling, open mouth.
Paul Kausch
12-18-14, 12:01
Great report and sounds like quite the gal. The room has got to be in the Sofitel Sukhumvit. The shutters behind the tub is the give away. Great place.You are correct. You may also notice the Hermes toiletries by the bathtube. It is a great hotel in a great location, and one of the most reasonably priced 5-star hotels in Bangkok. Join Le Club Accor for a good discount on rooms and to collect points which further reduce the price. Right now, I could book a room, using some of my points and pay US $105 (and that is after all taxes) for a room in May.
I have not seen her pick up three guys at a time, but I did see her pick up two. Though I do not know how long the session lasted. It could have gone on for one hour. It could have gone on for two hours. I did see both guys reach into their pocket and pay the tab. I have no idea if two BFs were on the tab. If it was my bar I'd have put two BFs on that tab. Watching the transaction it sure looked like the guys made it clear to the mamasan that they were both going with her, and if this is her modus operandi, I bet the procedure is all worked out. My point is that it seems stupid for 2 or more guys to each pay a BF for the same girl at the same time when 1 BF will suffice for whatever purpose the group has in mind. My guess is that you saw 2 guys paying their tabs and perhaps going in half and half on the BF -- not each paying a full BF -- 2 BF's for just the 1 girl, which IMHO would indeed be stupid. Obviously, the mamasan and the bar don't know how many guys the girl is going to fuck after she leaves the bar so there is simply no reason to pay 2 BF's. If you were the bar owner, how would you know to charge 2 BF's unless the 2 fools told you what they were going to do and agreed to pay 2 BF's? Whether the girl is gone for 1 hour or 3 hours only 1 BF should be required.
Interesting report. Moojie is a cutie and seems like a sweet, smart and good girl........................... Are you sure it wasn't 1 guy bar fining her and the others just paying for their share of the sex at her current ST rate?They were Japanese not Indians.
I've had no interaction with mojie except as an observer.
She presently looks like a FreAk. With a very nice face. She was popular before inserting the 2 freaks so I was surprised she got them. But again I'm not a bargirl.
Paul Kausch
12-18-14, 17:35
They were Japanese not Indians.I wouldn't write that, but perhaps you can get away with it.
My point is that it seems stupid for 2 or more guys to each pay a BF for the same girl at the same time when 1 BF will suffice for whatever purpose the group has in mind. My guess is that you saw 2 guys paying their tabs and perhaps going in half and half on the BF -- not each paying a full BF -- 2 BF's for just the 1 girl, which IMHO would indeed be stupid. Obviously, the mamasan and the bar don't know how many guys the girl is going to fuck after she leaves the bar so there is simply no reason to pay 2 BF's. If you were the bar owner, how would you know to charge 2 BF's unless the 2 fools told you what they were going to do and agreed to pay 2 BF's? Whether the girl is gone for 1 hour or 3 hours only 1 BF should be required.I understand your point. And you may very well be right. But here are my thoughts on the matter.
This is Moojie's MO, to pick up two or three Japanese patrons at a time. By the way, she is not the first gogo dancer I've seen do this. Obviously RB1 knows she often does this. Everything happens in the open. It's not like one guy leaves. One guy BFs her and the second guy meets them outside.
If I was the manager of RB1 I would not have a problem with her going off with two or three guys at a time, but I wouldn't think it fair to me if they only paid one BF. If Moojie took one guy at a time there is a possibility the second (and third) guy might BF another girl. So I could get two (three) BFs not one. But I would also think perhaps these guys are at my bar because Moojie specializes in something that is not common among gogo girls. How many gogo girls do you know who really get into CIM? So maybe I would not get the second or third, or maybe even the first BF if she didn't have a fondness for gargling with a mouthful of cum. I'd work out some arrangement with her like 50% off for the second guy or three for the price of two. That would give me some financial incentive for her to take several guys; and give her a "deal" she could offer to score multiple guys.
I've observed RB1 gives Moojie a lot of latitude. Maybe she does let one guy BF her and then hooks up with another guy on some occasions. Maybe she's straight with RB1 about doing multiple guys openly in exchange for getting special privileges. Who knows? She's a sales person and someone there is the sales manager. Good salesmen and sales managers are good at finding ways of working together for both parties' benefit.
Beats me what's going on. I just repeated what Moojie told me. And I did see proof that she does score multiple guys at a time.
I suggest two or three of you guys go to RB1 and find out. Just be sure to give us a detailed report. ;)
Are most Cowboy / Nana go go girls now insisting on using the short time hotels? I've never used a ST hotel at Cowboy.
Member #4698
12-18-14, 18:05
I suggest two or three of you guys go to RB1 and find out. Just be sure to give us a detailed report. ;)That's funny. I doubt there will be many takers on this forum. LOL. The 2nd to last thing I want to do in BKK, the land of abundant pussy, is set up a MFM menage. The last thing I want to do, meaning it ain't ever going to happen, is barfine a LB. The Japanese are different though, that is for sure. It is not about saving money with them. The girl will net a double service fee out of this arrangement for about equal time as a regular ST. Some Japanese guys just like sharing the same girl at the same time. It is more Japanese than gay.
Paul Kausch
12-18-14, 18:08
Are most Cowboy / Nana go go girls now insisting on using the short time hotels? I've never used a ST hotel at Cowboy.In November I used an ST hotel once, otherwise we used my hotel room. It is a matter of time. As others have pointed out, lapsed time from out the door to back on stage may be as little as 30 minutes using an ST hotel. It's unlikely that would be possible, even with the Nana Hotel. However, Moojie, who typically scores multiple BFs in an evening was willing to spend a couple of hours with me in my hotel on one evening and an entire even with an overnight stay on another occasion. I do stay at a nice hotel and the ladies tell me they like to come to my room for that reason. Frankly, I don't mind the ST rooms at all. I actually like the somewhat seedy ambiance. They look better than some of the rooms at the MPs. The thing I like most about my hotel room is the big bed to play in.
Paul Kausch
12-18-14, 18:19
That's funny. I doubt there will be many takers on this forum. Some Japanese guys just like sharing the same girl at the same time. It is more Japanese than gay.I also bet there won't be any takers. And I agree it is more a Japanese thing. However, I've done two MMFFFFs and enjoyed both, especially the first. Spit roasting Bell with BKKMick while Ice kissed Bell and licked her clit was a real turn on for me. When it comes to sexual practices, as long as everyone is cool with what transpires, I'm cool. Much weirder stuff than several guys sharing one girl happens in Bangkok.
Orange Crust
12-18-14, 18:53
What would you do with 30 days in Thailand and $10 k in cash? Long overdue trip coming up in February. Appreciate any suggestions, maybe your top three spots for each category, soapy, oily, FL locations, or individuals. I'm searching the threads for tips but thought this would make a good topic for all you pro mongers!First thing I would do is not tell anyone that I had $10 k cash. If I made a bonehead announcement like that, I would not tell anyone when and where I would be travelling in a public forum. I would decline all offers of being invited to go out with unknown wingmen.
I tell every woman I meet that I have little money. How I am travelling on a dime. I never carry a wad of cash and go to street side food stalls so I don't ever need a lot of immediate cash. If I have a multiple day arrangement I offer to buy a little as possible and if we end up at a street market, I may buy her a gift but I ask her to negotiate the deal. It's funny how far your money can go if the girls think you don't have any.
Just be safe. If your spending gets the attention of the girls you can be sure both unsavoury girls and even guys will notice you and you just became the hunted.
HorneeFalang
12-18-14, 19:06
Any word / reports on the Den in Sukhumvit, Soi 12?
Should be open for business by now?
Nola Kenner
12-18-14, 19:22
Is there a curfew, what's the deal?When I was in Bangkok, late Nov. 2014, there was not curfew.
Where You Go
12-18-14, 19:32
First thing I would do is not tell anyone that I had $10 k cash. If I made a bonehead announcement like that, I would not tell anyone when and where I would be travelling in a public forum. I would decline all offers of being invited to go out with unknown wingmen.
I tell every woman I meet that I have little money. How I am travelling on a dime. I never carry a wad of cash and go to street side food stalls so I don't ever need a lot of immediate cash. If I have a multiple day arrangement I offer to buy a little as possible and if we end up at a street market, I may buy her a gift but I ask her to negotiate the deal. It's funny how far your money can go if the girls think you don't have any.
Just be safe. If your spending gets the attention of the girls you can be sure both unsavoury girls and even guys will notice you and you just became the hunted.I will have a Citybank safe deposit box. Don't plan to be extravagant, so any suggestions on where to go? Thanks for the advice!
Paul Kausch
12-18-14, 19:37
When I was in Bangkok, late Nov. 2014, there was not curfew.Curfew ended this past summer with the start of the World Cup. Martial Law is still in effect, but it had no impact on me during my recent trip.
First thing I would do is not tell anyone that I had $10 k cash. If I made a bonehead announcement like that, I would not tell anyone when and where I would be travelling in a public forum. I would decline all offers of being invited to go out with unknown wingmen.
I tell every woman I meet that I have little money. How I am travelling on a dime. I never carry a wad of cash and go to street side food stalls so I don't ever need a lot of immediate cash. If I have a multiple day arrangement I offer to buy a little as possible and if we end up at a street market, I may buy her a gift but I ask her to negotiate the deal. It's funny how far your money can go if the girls think you don't have any.
Just be safe. If your spending gets the attention of the girls you can be sure both unsavoury girls and even guys will notice you and you just became the hunted.I'd throw 9 k to the first girl I meet and try to learn real life with the 1 k left.
Orange Crust
12-19-14, 00:05
I will have a Citybank safe deposit box. Don't plan to be extravagant, so any suggestions on where to go? Thanks for the advice!Sorry about the strong reaction, I just don't want you to get hurt, rolled, or robbed. I've seen so many "victims waiting to happen. " I haven't been back to BKK for a bit but I always returned home thinking that I spent way less then I thought I would. But I tend to latch onto one girl in the first week and keep her till I go. The same approach for my short 1 month visits to my 4 month visit.
My advice is to try to find an university student to support. Basically, they just moved into my condo. Best decision ever and the I still partook in soapies and Nataree sideliners. Man, do I ever miss Nataree. So my advice is to do the sidelines from Nataree twice in the evening then BF a LT girl at any of the Gogo's. You will easily burn through the 10 k this way and have some seriously beautiful notches in your belt.
Member #4387
12-19-14, 00:10
What would you do with 30 days in Thailand and $10 k in cash? Long overdue trip coming up in February. Appreciate any suggestions, maybe your top three spots for each category, soapy, oily, FL locations, or individuals. I'm searching the threads for tips but thought this would make a good topic for all you pro mongers!If your MO is like my friends you will run out in a week or so. Last weekend we travelled together to BKK and I showed him my MO hunting for girls in Thong Lor area. I just stayed the weekend and went back for x mas preperations Monday. Tonight I got a call from my friend and he claims to have burned $12 k (in his case I believe him). ATM had eaten his card and no he is requesting me for a WU transfer, haha. I told him I never ever send money through WU but since he is a friend I might just make an exceptions. His excuse this time "I have fallen for the gentleman clubs". So you should bring $40K, wink wink.
I suggest two or three of you guys go to RB1 and find out. Just be sure to give us a detailed report. ;)I'd rather go by myself and have her all to myself! LOL!
Thanks for the report and insights, PK.
Member #4698
12-19-14, 00:42
What would you do with 30 days in Thailand and $10 k in cash? Long overdue trip coming up in February. Appreciate any suggestions, maybe your top three spots for each category, soapy, oily, FL locations, or individuals. I'm searching the threads for tips but thought this would make a good topic for all you pro mongers!WYG, first buy a subscription to the ISG. This will enable you to send and receive PM's from fellow members. I tried to send you a PM and could not. Second, RTFF. The best places to go in BKK are reported on, discussed, and debated in detail. Go back 6 months to a year. It is all there. Then after reading up on the subject you will be in a very good position to ask informed questions and receive knowledgeable up to date answers. To start you off on the right direction, here is a short list of some cool places. You should be able to have an outstanding time in BKK for 30 days on 10 k not including Hotel, but Skogis is right, if you start spending a lot a time going after the top girls at the Soapies, Dance Clubs, and G-Clubs; it is definitely possible to run through that much cash and then some. 555. Bring a few credit cards just in case!
Oilies: EZ, Addict, Snow White, Mango, and (Tulip based on Paul's latest report).
Go Go's: RB4, CH, Baccara, SW and many others.
Soi 11 Clubs: Climax and BASH.
Soapies: Nataree, LA Belle, Amsterdam, Copa Cabana.
Hotel FL Bars: Spasso and Mixx.
Dance Clubs: The Pimp Sister, Demo, Funky Villa and Route 66 Dance Club.
G-Clubs: Sherbert and Maiake.
Now do some research!
I will have a Citybank safe deposit box. Don't plan to be extravagant, so any suggestions on where to go? Thanks for the advice!Nobody can get in your head or libido s you have it backwards. Figure out what you want to do then ask how to make it happen.
And your hotel safe if fine. I bring that on most of my long trips.
You should be able to have an outstanding time in BKK for 30 days on 10 k not including Hotel, SNIP Even including hotel (and airfare!) you can have an outstanding time. Or even with 5 k, or less. It all depends on what you want: how many girls, which girls (eg. 1000B street walkers, 2500B Agogo girls or 5000B Nataree girls), a guesthouse or a 5 star hotel, streetfood or fancy restaurants, etcetera.
Don't give this guy the impression he really needs 10 k, you big spender LOL!
Where You Go
12-19-14, 03:41
WYG, first buy a subscription to the ISG. This will enable you to send and receive PM's from fellow members. I tried to send you a PM and could not. Second, RTFF. The best places to go in BKK are reported on, discussed, and debated in detail. Go back 6 months to a year. It is all there. Then after reading up on the subject you will be in a very good position to ask informed questions and receive knowledgeable up to date answers. To start you off on the right direction, here is a short list of some cool places. You should be able to have an outstanding time in BKK for 30 days on 10 k not including Hotel, but Skogis is right, if you start spending a lot a time going after the top girls at the Soapies, Dance Clubs, and G-Clubs; it is definitely possible to run through that much cash and then some. 555. Bring a few credit cards just in case!
Oilies: EZ, Addict, Snow White, Mango, and (Tulip based on Paul's latest report).
Go Go's: RB4, CH, Baccara, SW and many others.
Soi 11 Clubs: Climax and BASH.
Soapies: Nataree, LA Belle, Amsterdam, Copa Cabana.
Hotel FL Bars: Spasso and Mixx.
Dance Clubs: The Pimp Sister, Demo, Funky Villa and Route 66 Dance Club.
G-Clubs: Sherbert and Maiake.
Now do some research!Thanks Natty Bumpo, this is helpful information. I just bought a subscription to ISG and will continue searching the threads. Appreciate the advice from everyone and even the jabs, all in good fun!
Even including hotel (and airfare!) you can have an outstanding time. Or even with 5 k, or less. It all depends on what you want: how many girls, which girls (eg. 1000B street walkers, 2500B Agogo girls or 5000B Nataree girls), a guesthouse or a 5 star hotel, streetfood or fancy restaurants, etcetera.
Don't give this guy the impression he really needs 10 k, you big spender LOL!Just so there is no misunderstanding, it is possible to pay 5000 baht for a girl at Nataree, but most of the girls will be around 2500 baht (or maybe less; I haven't been there in months so can't speak to whether prices are creeping up). If you add a 500 baht non-mandatory tip to that, you are talking about somewhere around 3000 baht. I agree though 10 K sounds a little high, particularly given that on the girl front, one usually hits a wall after a few days and while one might start at three girls a day (e. g.), few can keep up at that pace for a full month. Then again, I have known a few who could, damnit!
I'm planning a trip to BKK and Pattaya but I'm a little worried about racism over there if anyone can tell me what I should expect I would be grateful. Also my plan is to spend 5 days in Bangkok and 5 days in Pattaya how much money should I bring with me to be comfortable?
You must be losing it. I find it hard to believe populars girls who get barfined everyday-no matter Hi or low season, Hi water or low water are willing to top off the night with a long time. Or go cruising as a FL at a dingy disco.Just for you, I asked the top Bargirl that I know well, how much she makes. She claims 200 k per month and up. You can see she doesn't need any guys looking for a bargain. If she rarely takes a new guy, she would just so ST upstairs.
I have seen photos of the mansion she is building.
Looks 18 but is actually a few years older. Very tight slim body. Limited education but is studying English.
She does do LT but only when the price is right. Even takes a holiday with customers to rest body with good money coming in. I am normally happy with ST.
VanWilderGuy
12-19-14, 15:16
I'm planning a trip to BKK and Pattaya but I'm a little worried about racism over there if anyone can tell me what I should expect I would be grateful. Also my plan is to spend 5 days in Bangkok and 5 days in Pattaya how much money should I bring with me to be comfortable?I went with my black friend before from Canada, he didn't really notice any racism. But he's a very nice guy. And spends the dollars. However he met a lot of girls who like black guys but as long as they are respectful. As for the money, its relevant on how many girls you want per day. And the quality of girls! Not including airfare and hotels. You can have an pretty good time with 3-4,000 dollars if you want 1-2 basic girls a day, but its always more fun if you have at least $5,000! Usually I spend a minimum of 5 grand but usually stay longer then 5 days in each city. Read a bit about the BF's and what the girls want. On average anywhere from 1500 for a FL and 3-5,000 b for a solid gogo or bar girl. Then do the math on how many girls you want per day. If you have 5 K and access to more funds if you really need it, guarantee you will have the time of your life ifs its your first trip to bankbook and pats. Just don't make the same mistake some new guys do, they think to much about the money and not have a good time the first couple of nights, but always regret it! Don't live with regrets brother! Just go hard and then go home and you will not be able to wait for your next trip! I can't wait for January 7 until I arrive again! If you are there around that time we can go mongering together!
A few other good places for Americans to go for legal PFP are Aruba, Curacao and St Maarten. All have legal brothels stocked with Colombian and Dominican girls. Campo Alegre in Curacao is this hemisphere's largest brothel, typically with around 150 chicas each with their own apartment.
All three islands provide an excellent "normal" vacation experience coupled with reasonably priced (by American standards) prime, government inspected (weekly) chicas.
Check out the Caribbean -> Lesser Antilles boards on ISG for a friendly group of mongers with accurate info.
If you've been following the discussion, Goatscrot spoke of 5 areas including South America & Cuba etc.
As for CR, as I've mentioned before, I know an American who lived there but moved to Pattaya. He's been in LOS a few years now, loves it & prefers it over CR.
Americans don't need to go to any of the places you list. They have loads of PFP or PFT options in their own country without paying airfares to travel for hours to strange lands. The vast majority get their fun on US soil & contribute back to the economy there.
If they happen to choose relatively dangerous Brazil over LOS, they've also chosen a country that presents greater language issues & a much higher HIV rate. From the NW USA the trip to Brazil will also be more expensive. Brazil is a more popular hobbying destination than any of those you mentioned, LOS excepted.
Jamaica is popular for ladies looking to pay for sex with Jamaican men. PFP is illegal there. The USA has a large black population so I can see how Jamaica & DR might draw a lot of Americans, especially as many places such as LOS are prejudiced against them.
Checked out Tilac tonight despite the girls not exposing the tits. Definitely has the prettiest girl selection of any bar I visited, not too many fakes. More Farangs than Japanese. Easily spotted several girls I would like to fuck.
Has a few Coyote girls. Don't see the point. They seem to be the ugly ones to my taste.
I will keep a small number of regular bargirls from other bars that I can call up without actually even going in the bar.
A few other good places for Americans to go for legal PFP are Aruba, Curacao and St Maarten. All have legal brothels stocked with Colombian and Dominican girls. Campo Alegre in Curacao is this hemisphere's largest brothel, typically with around 150 chicas each with their own apartment.
All three islands provide an excellent "normal" vacation experience coupled with reasonably priced (by American standards) prime, government inspected (weekly) chicas.
Check out the Caribbean -> Lesser Antilles boards on ISG for a friendly group of mongers with accurate info.No. According to PP, who is, AFAIK, Canadian, the USA is chock full of prime P4 P venues and we Yanks have no need of traveling anywhere, except to Thailand. :D
He's absolutely correct. That is, if you don't mind the potential of being arrested, having your name in the local paper, losing your job, having a criminal record, even potentially being branded as a "Sex Offender" and put onto a lifetime registry. You can avoid a lot of that if you stick with massage places, but that gets a bit old after a while. Other options exist, but it takes a long time and lot of effort to become "accepted" in that community (due to LE stings, etc.). Oh, and the legal brothels in Nevada? They'd have to pay ME. Ahhh, feminism at its finest!
No. According to PP, who is, AFAIK, Canadian, the USA is chock full of prime P4 P venues and we Yanks have no need of traveling anywhere, except to Thailand. :DActually that is not my view or what I said. I did mention that Thailand is one of the few "prime" sex tourist destinations on the ball, if not number one. These other places getting mentioned, like Cuba CR Jamaica are light years behind LOS in that regard. They are in the peewee leaques of PFP while Siam is playing with the major leaque pro big boys.
He's absolutely correct. That is, if you don't mind the potential of being arrested, having your name in the local paper, losing your job, having a criminal record, even potentially being branded as a "Sex Offender" and put onto a lifetime registry. You can avoid a lot of that if you stick with massage places, but that gets a bit old after a while. Other options exist, but it takes a long time and lot of effort to become "accepted" in that community (due to LE stings, etc.). Oh, and the legal brothels in Nevada? They'd have to pay ME. Ahhh, feminism at its finest!There's maybe a one in a million chance of having that happen, if one has absolutely no clue what they are doing or retarded. From what I've read in certain areas where it's illegal LE don't even bother enforcing the law, which means even the clueless don't have any such problems there.
OTOH nothing could ever go wrong with an American travelling abroad to a poverty stricken thoroughly corrupt third world country, could it? Actually things as bad as you mention & far worse happen on a regular basis, as those who follow the news are well aware. Such news stories are just the tip of the iceberg.
To chime in on the conversation I think a large percent of American mongers go to destinations in the Caribbean and south America. Places like the Dominican Republic, Costa Rica, Colombia, Brazil, Jamaica etc. The length of the flights are a big factor. The DR and Costa Rica are 3 hrs away from NY and the flights are considerably cheaper. Its easier to take a quick weekend getaway to those destinations than it is to go to Thailand, Cambodia, Jakarta etc.
LittleBigMan
12-20-14, 02:38
I come from the States and place while growing up had one of the biggest P4 P, scene in the world? You had options of working girl houses, street walkers, (latin, whites, Blacks,) today it is rare to even find one neighborhood for that? Everything has gone underground to the Internet or Massage parlors. In the the big Massage parlor era in the 90's, there were so many choices and girls today, unless you are desperate and know a referral from someone it is really hit and miss. The popular one's get busted real soon! The biggest problem of staying home is being seen by a friend or family right? It might be a million and one but I've known two politicians that didn't beat the odds and I can tell you it is not pretty once your friends and family find out! And those that have like myself (when married) in the past spend a lot of time driving around and around, parking outside making sure it was all clear before you entered!
Places like LOS, you come and never have to look over your shoulder! You are actually FREE for the first time and that people is worth the price of a airplane ticket and 12 plus hours on the plane? You can go ST / LT, covered or uncovered, mainly we do what we had dream of our whole life of being a handsome man and a self proclaim stud! We walk with our head up high, chest out, and we are young again!
I hear this morning over coffee, a guy saying and dreaming that North Korea falls so it would be a new South Korea he knew in the 70's 80's. Nothing but virgin territory? I told him drink your fucking coffee and shut the fuck up you can barely walk now? He said he still got his tongue? Another said Hey? Cuba is opening up? It is all about the Freedom, or you can sit home and compare the numbers? Personally I hope those just stay home!
I'm planning a trip to BKK and Pattaya but I'm a little worried about racism over there if anyone can tell me what I should expect I would be grateful. Also my plan is to spend 5 days in Bangkok and 5 days in Pattaya how much money should I bring with me to be comfortable?A tip.
Tell the girls you aren't African- tell them you are Indian. Thai girls love Indians!
Tiradentes
12-20-14, 02:59
. Ahhh, feminism at its finest!Americans. We defeated Nazism in the 40's. We defeated Communism in the 80's. We defeated Islamists in the 00's. Yet, we lost our freedom at home.
To those doubters on LT. For the girls it sucks! Put yourself in their high-heels.
I saw a popular Rainbow girl turn down 6,000 LT offer. From a nice Japanese gentleman caller.
Hi,
I am new to BKK but have been around a bit in various places so not so young and naive. However I met a bar girl who you guessed it I fell for not a young 25 yr old or anything like that her best years are behind her no doubt. Me married a long time I mean long but somehow this went out the window and now I am on the brink of giving it all up for this girl who never asked me for much and not once tried to rip me off. I know all the horror stories about being fleeced due to the buffalo etc and as I said I am not naive enough to think she loves my beer belly and grey hair but somehow there is some connection there and I can't put my mind at rest if I am just being a silly old bugger or if it can work. By the way I can probably get a job in Thailand from my company and my mate says go for it and if it does not work out there is always plenty of more attractive younger models to be had.
The dilemma is do I chuck in a very good life with all the things you can imagine including a pretty wife and grand kids or do I stick with what I got and always look back and regret. I know there are some wise old experienced heads on here who probably have had the same dilemma so any good advice and experiences would be helpful. I will be back there in two weeks and need to make or break this one way or the other.Things have moved on pretty much as I guess I knew they would. Went thro the whole pain of BF stop working scenario which eventually I succumbed to and coughed up. Continued travelling in and out for work every month until I sorted out a permanent position there and now I have a work permit. Moved out of BKK and live in ChonBuri together with her and so far so good she really takes care in every way possible. Not saying this is a match for life but I am happy and of course she is as well her life changed significantly for the better. In the relatively short period of time I have been in Thailand I have got to know a fair few of these girls on personal level and mostly they are really nice people. Who knows where it ends up but you only live once so enjoy.
Where You Go
12-20-14, 06:05
Just so there is no misunderstanding, it is possible to pay 5000 baht for a girl at Nataree, but most of the girls will be around 2500 baht (or maybe less; I haven't been there in months so can't speak to whether prices are creeping up). If you add a 500 baht non-mandatory tip to that, you are talking about somewhere around 3000 baht. I agree though 10 K sounds a little high, particularly given that on the girl front, one usually hits a wall after a few days and while one might start at three girls a day (e. g.), few can keep up at that pace for a full month. Then again, I have known a few who could, damnit!I will probably be hitting that wall you mentioned. Just wish I was younger with this budget, I could have put it to better use then. Nataree is on the top of the soapy list (add Poseidon, La Belle, Utopia or CP2 possibly?
LittleBigMan
12-20-14, 06:18
Americans. We defeated Nazism in the 40's. We defeated Communism in the 80's. We defeated Islamists in the 00's. Yet, we lost our freedom at home.If you really think that then you have only been on holiday elsewhere? You got it better than you think? And that is coming from someone who think like you!
To those doubters on LT. For the girls it sucks! Put yourself in their high-heels.
I saw a popular Rainbow girl turn down 6,000 LT offer. From a nice Japanese gentleman caller.No for all of us it sucks and getting worse. That is almost 200 USD FFS! Up from about 37 USD LT when I first moved here 15 yrs ago. That is one hell of a price increase. Imagine if housing, cars, or food went up by that percentage in 15 yrs. We'd all be in the poor house. Amazing that there are dudes that will pay that now. They should hand out a flyer at Swampy, "Don't pay the girls over 1 k ST. ".
No for all of us it sucks and getting worse. That is almost 200 USD FFS! Up from about 37 USD LT when I first moved here 15 yrs ago. That is one hell of a price increase. Imagine if housing, cars, or food went up by that percentage in 15 yrs. We'd all be in the poor house. Amazing that there are dudes that will pay that now. They should hand out a flyer at Swampy, "Don't pay the girls over 1 k ST. ".I just spent 5 days in Pattaya and 8 days in Bangkok. I took several girls from go-go's and freelancers from bars and was quite surprised that I could take all of them LT for 2500 - 3000 bath. They were very beautiful girls and gave good service in bed with enthusiasm. They stayed from 2-3 AM until 6-7 PM the next day (except one who had a regular daytime job and had to leave early). Not sure if I was just lucky, but given the fact they stay with me 16 hours I really can not complain the price. Of course if you go to a place like RB4 you will know the price is high. Take it if you can afford it! But there are nice girls to be found at prices that are still not bad. Based on the time and service you get. The key point is to treat them nice, offer them food, relax by the pool, small shopping etc. You don't have to become their boyfriend (I have learned the lesson! Just spend some quality time with them and get to know them better. Talk about stuff they are interested in. Several sessions in bed are OK with most of them also (If they like you)!
Wolvenvacht
12-20-14, 10:16
Americans. We defeated Nazism in the 40's. We defeated Communism in the 80's. We defeated Islamists in the 00's. Yet, we lost our freedom at home.Perhaps someone should tell the "Islamists" they are defeated. From what I see on TV and read in the newspapers, it seems they have missed that.
Member #4591
12-20-14, 10:20
Dress respectable, smell nice, and be polite. You won't have any racism issues if you follow these three things.
To those doubters on LT. For the girls it sucks! Put yourself in their high-heels.
I saw a popular Rainbow girl turn down 6,000 LT offer. From a nice Japanese gentleman caller.I agree there is little incentive for a top earning girl to take LT, unless she knows and likes the customer, and will make good money for not much hard work, and will get good comfortable sleep.
She knows very well, some guys will want to fuck all night for 3K. This has no appeal to her whatsoever. She can get a succession of 3 quick STs. She has control of the market.
On the other hand a girl that is very ordinary with few customers, will have to take whatever she can get. She has no control. She has to go cheaper and provide far more service. Unfortunately for me, I still don't want to fuck these ugly / average looking ones.
Some girls live with mother and father who supposedly don't know what daughter is doing. They have to be home by 2:30 AM. LOL Interesting story they spin. I don't know whether to believe this one. Could be actually pimp/BF is waiting. Its of no importance. Simply they just don't want to do LT. I am sure could change the outcome for a very high price, but I don't need that.
Can anyone go over how you could give a girl a hot water shower, a bed and a nice silver trinket for long time 25 years ago.
IllusionHeart
12-20-14, 12:27
A tip.
Tell the girls you aren't African- tell them you are Indian. Thai girls love Indians!Steve, I am skeptical and don't think that Steel would get any special preference or treatment projecting himself as an Indian.
I'm planning a trip to BKK and Pattaya but I'm a little worried about racism over there if anyone can tell me what I should expect I would be grateful. Also my plan is to spend 5 days in Bangkok and 5 days in Pattaya how much money should I bring with me to be comfortable?
However I would definitely second BKKdogs advise to dress well, smell nice and treat all ladies with respect. Better option.
In case girl dosent show any sign of interest then move on to the next one. Loads out there for all taste and types. There are lots who will enjoy your company and give you great experience.
A tip.
Tell the girls you aren't African- tell them you are Indian. Thai girls love Indians!Not funny, just dumb. Fortunately, others here have given helpful advise on the subject.
I'm planning a trip to BKK and Pattaya but I'm a little worried about racism over there if anyone can tell me what I should expect I would be grateful. Also my plan is to spend 5 days in Bangkok and 5 days in Pattaya how much money should I bring with me to be comfortable?I have lived here full time for 4 years and visited 5 times the year prior to moving here. Don't give a thought to not having fun. I now live in the Northeast, but have lived in Bangkok and Pattaya. In Bankgkok, I've visited mostly massage places. In Pattaya, have taken gogo girls from walking street and LK Metro, and beer bar girls from all over. My experience, if there are 20 girls there, at least 70-75% will go with you. That's plenty of girls to choose from at each location. Girls will try to get as much from you as they can, especially if they know that it's your first time here. Gogo girls want 800+ BF and 3-5000 baht. Many beer bars want 3-500 BF and you can take a girl for 2000-2500 baht LT. Many beer bar girls are older, but I have had many ones from there and at least one new girl. Beer bars require more looking if you want a particular type.
No for all of us it sucks and getting worse. That is almost 200 USD FFS! Up from about 37 USD LT when I first moved here 15 yrs ago. That is one hell of a price increase. Imagine if housing, cars, or food went up by that percentage in 15 yrs. We'd all be in the poor house. Amazing that there are dudes that will pay that now. They should hand out a flyer at Swampy, "Don't pay the girls over 1 k ST. ".The thing you left out is that 6000 Baht or 200 USD is not the norm for a LT in Thailand. It is way less than that. In Canada BTW that would cost you ten times as much. So after one long time session in Bangkok one has already saved almost 2000 dollars relative to Western pricing, which more than covers the cost of airfare & two weeks in a hotel. After that it's all gravy & like getting company and sex almost free compared to back home.
Also sometimes things are priced lower than their real value or what they should be, such as the 37 USD. When they are undervalued like that in time the market often brings about a "price correction" to what it should be. For example it's been at least 7 years since NEP area street walker prices have generally remained at 1000 baht ST. This is a bargain and well overdue for a cost adjustment. For much the same product at a NEP gogo it is 250 to 300 percent more.
Expats continually complaining about LOS are ignoring how good they have it. They "can't see the forest for the trees". It's an illness, but I think it has a cure. Move back in with "Uncle Sam".
Anyways, I stopped in Suzan Wong's for maybe the 5th time this year. Not once have I said to myself that girl is above average looking. Is it me or what? You might want to go and look at the Christmas mural on one wall-quite well done.
What happened to Rainbow 4. Its atmosphere is bordering on EleCtric. Seems they don't have girls who want topless though. The word in the bar is its de-meaning.
Paul Kausch
12-20-14, 20:02
What happened to Rainbow 4. Its atmosphere is bordering on EleCtric. Seems they don't have girls who want topless though. The word in the bar is its de-meaning.One night in November I saw half the girls at RB4 topless. Other nights none were. Demeaning? It may be that is not the reason for covering up. It's the army's policy, who now are monitoring the bars' practices. The police no longer have anything to do with it. Some girls prefer not being nude on stage, but they know they get more BF when they are completely nude.
AssLover945
12-20-14, 20:11
A tip.
Tell the girls you aren't African- tell them you are Indian. Thai girls love Indians!Very racist comment buddy.
Tony Hoeprano
12-20-14, 20:15
The thing you left out is that 6000 Baht or 200 USD is not the norm for a LT in Thailand. It is way less than that. In Canada BTW that would cost you ten times as much. So after one long time session in Bangkok one has already saved almost 2000 dollars relative to Western pricing, which more than covers the cost of airfare & two weeks in a hotel. After that it's all gravy & like getting company and sex almost free compared to back home.
Also sometimes things are priced lower than their real value or what they should be, such as the 37 USD. When they are undervalued like that in time the market often brings about a "price correction" to what it should be. For example it's been at least 7 years since NEP area street walker prices have generally remained at 1000 baht ST. This is a bargain and well overdue for a cost adjustment. For much the same product at a NEP gogo it is 250 to 300 percent more.
Expats continually complaining about LOS are ignoring how good they have it. They "can't see the forest for the trees". It's an illness, but I think it has a cure. Move back in with "Uncle Sam".Hear hear! Not only is buying sexual services more expensive in America, the quality is crap. I've perused the boards and you see many guys paying $150-$200 for very average looking gals. I've walked into Korean massage parlors and you'll find 40 year old hags asking $200 for a quick suck and fuck.
For young hot gals expect to pay north of $300.
No sense in paying for average pussy when you can go on Tinder and meet chicks for free. Or at the very least buy them a beer or two and pay for an uber taxi on the way back home.
Tony Hoeprano
12-20-14, 20:39
I'm planning a trip to BKK and Pattaya but I'm a little worried about racism over there if anyone can tell me what I should expect I would be grateful. Also my plan is to spend 5 days in Bangkok and 5 days in Pattaya how much money should I bring with me to be comfortable?It depends. There are black guys who would do well in LOS if you look like Drake or Odell Beckham Jr. Maybe not so good if you look like Marshawn Lynch. Too much of a beast and he scare those petite little thai girls LOL.
Also my plan is to spend 5 days in Bangkok and 5 days in Pattaya how much money should I bring with me to be comfortable?IMO you would be comfortable with a $200 USD (6,500 Baht) per day spending budget not counting the hotel. You will likely come home with some money.
Bring the newer and pristine $50 and $100 USD bills as they get the best exchange rate.
Only change enough money (say $20) at the airport to get you to your destination as the exchange rate there sucks.
Only change enough money to get you through the next day or two. No need to change it all right away.
Have a backup plan should the cash run out like an ATM or credit card.
Google "Bell Travel" for an inexpensive and professional travel option from Bangkok to Pattaya and from Pattaya to BKK airport.
SL.
Tiradentes
12-20-14, 22:42
Very racist comment buddy.Take it easy on the lad, Rev. Al Sharpton.
Take it easy on the lad, Rev. Al Sharpton.Undeserved. There is nothing wrong with calling out someone here who posts blatantly racist material whether meant as a joke or not.
Tony Hoeprano
12-20-14, 23:11
Can anyone go over how you could give a girl a hot water shower, a bed and a nice silver trinket for long time 25 years ago.You talkin about Goatscroat? This boards consummate Debbie downer.
Yesterday checked out Tilac bar at 10 pm. Boring bar really. Busier than Friday. Line up already a bit depleted by barfines. On a Saturday need to get there early. I found a girl very passionate on the bed and very nice ass. Price was not discussed. A very nice tall shy girl from Khorat named Jee.
In 3 weeks in Bangkok I tried only 4 new girls. This one was the only one good enough to be worth repeating so collected her LINE connect details.
I did 6 other girls that were already repeats and one of these is so hot, wanted her at least 10 times. She was in another league completely. Could have been more if she was a ailable every day.
HorneeFalang
12-21-14, 00:48
Yesterday checked out Tilac bar at 10 pm. Boring bar really. Busier than Friday. Line up already a bit depleted by barfines. On a Saturday need to get there early. I found a girl very passionate on the bed and very nice ass. Price was not discussed. A very nice tall shy girl from Khorat named Jee.
In 3 weeks in Bangkok I tried only 4 new girls. This one was the only one good enough to be worth repeating so collected her LINE connect details.
I did 6 other girls that were already repeats and one of these is so hot, wanted her at least 10 times. She was in another league completely. Could have been more if she was a ailable every day.Great update.
Thanks.
In BKK in 5 weeks. In your opinion do you think things will change in that time?
Do you have badge numbers for these fillies.
Most of my favorites are late 20's to early 30's. I find these type of girls with experience are better than the 19 year olds, in general. 50% of girls had a baby already. Three new quite young girls with no baby were the dullest on the bed and / or had pussy too tight / small to suit me.
Experienced regular girls make by far the best sex and GFE for me.
All girls well above average looks with very pretty faces, slim legs, small waist and great sexy ass being minimum criteria. Tit size not important.
7 regular girls for the future. They will not bore as all are good performers, personality suitable, and outstanding in various ways even if its only for the face and body in some cases. Wish I had like this when I was a young man instead of a Farang wife.
January will catch up with one of my old favorites from 7 years ago coming back to Bangkok.
For those guys lamenting the good old days, if I compare the looks of my girls with photos of girls I did 20 years ago in Thailand, I can easily see a big improvement in overall looks and sexiness. I have got much more fussy with age. I don't really believe the working girls were better looking in the old days, when you consider just the top 5 percent. It is true there are a lot more fat young girls perhaps. Bad diets eating too much Maccas.
Most of my favorites are late 20's to early 30's. I find these type of girls with experience are better than the 19 year olds, in general. 50% of girls had a baby already. Three new quite young girls with no baby were the dullest on the bed and / or had pussy too tight / small to suit me.
Experienced regular girls make by far the best sex and GFE for me.
All girls well above average looks with very pretty faces, slim legs, small waist and great sexy ass being minimum criteria. Tit size not important.
7 regular girls for the future. They will not bore as all are good performers, personality suitable, and outstanding in various ways even if its only for the face and body in some cases. Wish I had like this when I was a young man instead of a Farang wife.
January will catch up with one of my old favorites from 7 years ago coming back to Bangkok.
For those guys lamenting the good old days, if I compare the looks of my girls with photos of girls I did 20 years ago in Thailand, I can easily see a big improvement in overall looks and sexiness. I have got much more fussy with age. I don't really believe the working girls were better looking in the old days, when you consider just the top 5 percent. It is true there are a lot more fat young girls perhaps. Bad diets eating too much Maccas.I am with you on the age. My favorite gals are late 20's to early or even mid-30's.
Disagree on looks though. In general I find the gals in BKK to be better looking than they were 15 years ago, mostly due to better fashion sense etc. But I find fewer lookers in the P4 P scene.
I am with you on the age. My favorite gals are late 20's to early or even mid-30's.
Disagree on looks though. In general I find the gals in BKK to be better looking than they were 15 years ago, mostly due to better fashion sense etc. But I find fewer lookers in the P4 P scene.I do find fewer lookers in the Oily and Soapy scene than many years ago. So called models in a Soapy shop are young, reasonable bodies, but plain or highly altered plastic faces. This is why my MP visits have dropped off. In bars, the top 5 percent are as good looking as they ever were, but significantly more expensive. Performance hit and miss.
So overall we could say there is decline one way or another. The decline is circumvented by repeating a collection of those far above the average standard, providing that not trying to get bottom dollar prices. I can connect direct to all girls, so don't have to visit their shop or bar unless it is convenient.
I generally don't have time to date girls as have a GF and also have to work. So P4P is much simpler for me. One has moved to Gik or like 2nd GF status. She likes a lot more sex than the regular GF. So maybe I have the wrong GF. I suppose I need to see if sex is going just as strong after 1 year, and doesn't drop right off in frequency like normal girls.
I do find fewer lookers in the Oily and Soapy scene than many years ago. So called models in a Soapy shop are young, reasonable bodies, but plain or highly altered plastic faces. This is why my MP visits have dropped off. In bars, the top 5 percent are as good looking as they ever were, but significantly more expensive. Performance hit and miss.
So overall we could say there is decline one way or another. The decline is circumvented by repeating a collection of those far above the average standard, providing that not trying to get bottom dollar prices. I can connect direct to all girls, so don't have to visit their shop or bar unless it is convenient.
I generally don't have time to date girls as have a GF and also have to work. So P4P is much simpler for me. One has moved to Gik or like 2nd GF status. She likes a lot more sex than the regular GF. So maybe I have the wrong GF. I suppose I need to see if sex is going just as strong after 1 year, and doesn't drop right off in frequency like normal girls.That's certainly an admirable quality in a gal. Probably would kill me though as for some reason no matter how good a gal is I lose interest in her sexually quite rapidly. I have for the most part found that women lose interest in a man faster than the man loses interest in the woman. Women are promiscuous creatures just like we are; perhaps even more so.
Pink, Americans are staying in their hemisphere for mongering. Most always have. Why? Because most Americans have very little vacation. So a quick trip to the DR or CR is just right. Plus it is cheaper and again, no jet lag.Way more Americans go to Thailand than any of those places. Last year Thailand had more US citizens visiting than ever before. Of course Thailand receives huge numbers of visitors from many nations all over the world, not only multitudes of Americans, as it is one of the top PFP destinations in the universe.
As to vacation time, Americans are not up there with Europeans, but still many get plenty of time to make it worthwhile to travel to LOS:
"USA Firms typically give their workers 10 days (two weeks) off in the first year, increasing to 25 days after 20 years. This compares to 21 days after 15 years in Japan, 25 after 20 years in Canada, and 30 days in Germany. The French are legally entitled to two and a half days of vacation per month worked, which means they're within their rights to take a full 25 days off after less than a year on the job.
"Extended leave. In Australia workers typically receive 13 weeks' paid leave after 15 years on the job.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2292/do-americans-get-less-vacation-than-people-in-other-developed-countries
"Yes, thanks to the six-week vacations, the nights at the theater on Tuesday night, the idle Europeans turn out more per hour than we worker-bee Yanks.
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2010/8/4/why-dont-americans-have-longer-vacations/the-vacation-gap-between-the-us-and-europe-is-wider-than-we-think
". the European Union actually requires that workers receive at least 20 days of paid leave per year.
"In the USA, however, it's a different story. The average American worker earns 14 days off per year, but only takes 12 of them, according to a 2011 survey by Expedia. About a quarter of Americans don't have any vacation time at all.
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0, 8599,2109263,00. Html.
That's certainly an admirable quality in a gal. Probably would kill me though as for some reason no matter how good a gal is I lose interest in her sexually quite rapidly. I have for the most part found that women lose interest in a man faster than the man loses interest in the woman. Women are promiscuous creatures just like we are; perhaps even more so.I don't believe for one moment my main GF could play up as much as me LOL. However she seems satiated by sex for too long. I still have high sexual desire for her after several years but simply don't get enough. My 2nd P4 P Gik has high sex desire, but obviously may get bored with me in time. She already got bored with her main BF and several other suitors more handsome than me no doubt. She likes that I am so easy going so she has no pressure and can do as she likes. I think most guys want too much control over her or don't fuck how she likes I guess. She has to lie or be deceptive to some guys but I simply make that unnecessary. She likes me to be totally honest with her too. LOL.
This desire of girls to have a guy that never lies mystifies me, but I am sort of trying it out with one girl. It may indeed strengthen a relationship. We have started to spend some time together outside a normal P4 P booking, so the relationship is starting to get a bit ambiguous and she doesn't expect me to pay for everything.
Way more Americans go to Thailand than any of those places. Last year Thailand had more US citizens visiting than ever before. Of course Thailand receives huge numbers of visitors from many nations all over the world, not only multitudes of Americans, as it is one of the top PFP destinations in the universe.
Here's a link to a very annoying site, full of ads and popups. But it's fairly recent, like 2012. Unless things have changed radically in the last two years, I think it's pretty close to accurate. Being American, this seems to square with reality.
http://www.budgettravel.com/feature/vacation-ideas-10-most-visited-cities, 9045/.
Note that Thailand is not in the top 10 destinations for Americans. Jamaica, Mexico and the DR are. I admit Puerto Rico shouldn't be there because you don't need a passport to go there, if you're an American.
The point is that maybe a majority of American sex tourists go to Thailand, as opposed to other places, but I seriously doubt it. They're a small subset of the overall number of tourists. There are loads of pretty girls in Mexico, Colombia, CR, DR, Nicaragua, etc. I've certainly met my share. And traveling to any of these places, especially from Florida, Texas, New York, is FAR easier than to anywhere in Asia. So, I am not convinced that your assertion that more Americans go to TH than any of the other places mentioned.
The point is that maybe a majority of American sex tourists go to Thailand, as opposed to other places, but I seriously doubt it. They're a small subset of the overall number of tourists. There are loads of pretty girls in Mexico, Colombia, CR, DR, Nicaragua, etc. I've certainly met my share. And traveling to any of these places, especially from Florida, Texas, New York, is FAR easier than to anywhere in Asia. So, I am not convinced that your assertion that more Americans go to TH than any of the other places mentioned.Canada is an option for those close to the northern border of the states, outcall is legal and there's even the occasional incall joints. Don't forget Brazil, that's a big draw for those living down south or near a major airport hub where airfare is cheaper and obtaining a visa to visit Brazil is easier. Europe is also a 'semi close' destination for many on the east coast. Again, if your at the right airport you can be in Europe in under 9 hours, compare that with a 25 hour travel time to reach Thailand.
The point is that maybe a majority of American sex tourists go to Thailand, as opposed to other places, but I seriously doubt it. They're a small subset of the overall number of tourists. There are loads of pretty girls in Mexico, Colombia, CR, DR, Nicaragua, etc. I've certainly met my share. And traveling to any of these places, especially from Florida, Texas, New York, is FAR easier than to anywhere in Asia. So, I am not convinced that your assertion that more Americans go to TH than any of the other places mentioned.I would agree 100%. And the number has seemed to be decreasing for years; especially since '08. Truth be told most American mongers are very discreet about their activities.
I don't care where Americans like to go for sex tourism. Specially not in the Bangkok thread. The only thing relevant is how they behave when get to Bangkok, which is polite, etc. They have a good reputation in general even if sound of some americans speaking Thai with a drawl is very funny. Lower class English have a bad reputation and I cringe when I meet a loud foul mouthed group.
Possibly Americans are the most well liked Farangs in Thailand together with Danes and Norwegians. Other Farangs could try a bit of American politeness.
They have a good reputation in general even if sound of some americans speaking Thai with a drawl is very funny.Sawasdee khrap, y'all! :D
LittleBigMan
12-22-14, 06:38
Sawasdee khrap, y'all! :DPersonally, I know lots of Brit here on the Darkside and their drawl is something to behold in laugther? Just in General the last few years I've found particularly in Go-Go's and Disco the Aussie / NZ loud and aggressive as if they are all on steriods?
Just in General the last few years I've found particularly in Go-Go's and Disco the Aussie / NZ loud and aggressive as if they are all on steriods?Gogos and Discos are so loud in general, how can you say someone speaks too loud. If people speak at all softly, I can't hear them. I do have problems at my work place with certain nationalities sometimes being too loud.
I get particularly annoyed when people speaking on the phone lift their level several decibels which seems totally unnecessary with little background noise situations.
I don't meet such Aussies in go gos, perhaps because I am not in Pattaya. At a Sports Pub in Bangkok I found the noisy Aussies stayed mostly outside. I stayed inside.
Just in General the last few years I've found particularly in Go-Go's and Disco the Aussie / NZ loud and aggressive as if they are all on steriods?Some of them probably are.
I learnt years ago that my fellow Australians are not the most considerate of travelers. Boorish, insensitive, impatient and dumb are some words that unfortunately can be accurately used to describe some (most) of us.
A couple of months ago I nearly choked on my beer when I read that the Chinese Government were conducting a public education campaign to educate their rapidly expanding middle class on how to conduct themselves when overseas. I thought to myself I hope they don't use Australians in Bali or Pattaya as an example.
Truth be told most American mongers are very discreet about their activities.Huh? Americans can't hide that they are American. Which nationalities are indiscreet? Don't understand your point at all unless you just refer to maintaining good manners in public.
Huh? Americans can't hide that they are American. Which nationalities are indiscreet? Don't understand your point at all unless you just refer to maintaining good manners in public.What I mean is that most Americans who monger are very very discreet about their activities as it could cost them their jobs, etc.
I don't care where Americans like to go for sex tourism. Specially not in the Bangkok thread. The only thing relevant is how they behave when get to Bangkok, which is polite, etc. They have a good reputation in general even if sound of some americans speaking Thai with a drawl is very funny. Lower class English have a bad reputation and I cringe when I meet a loud foul mouthed group.
Possibly Americans are the most well liked Farangs in Thailand together with Danes and Norwegians. Other Farangs could try a bit of American politeness.I would have to agree with you. I think we are quite polite folks. I would also say that most continental Europeans I have met are polite. Now, I am talking when folks are sober. When inebriated all this tends to fly out the window.
What I mean is that most Americans who monger are very very discreet about their activities as it could cost them their jobs, etc.I can't think of any Nationality that would be different. For a while my boss did not believe I had a Thai "wife" and daughter. LOL Had to show him some family pics. Ha Ha!
FreebieFan
12-22-14, 10:20
Some of them probably are.
I learnt years ago that my fellow Australians are not the most considerate of travelers. Boorish, insensitive, impatient and dumb are some words that unfortunately can be accurately used to describe some (most) of us.
A couple of months ago I nearly choked on my beer when I read that the Chinese Government were conducting a public education campaign to educate their rapidly expanding middle class on how to conduct themselves when overseas. I thought to myself I hope they don't use Australians in Bali or Pattaya as an example.Without wishing to divert the board, the Chinese are well aware their citizens are behaving in a very bad way and creating perception images of the chinese.
They would like to be viewed as being sweet, and soft and happy and kind. Instead they are becoming well known for being incandescent with rage at the slightest mishap on many planes (latest being the well publicised scalding of Air Asia staff because a couple couldn't sit together). When the President went to Maldives he heard that Chinese vacationers were referred to a CN's. Not standing for Chinese, but for cup noodles and that hotels were refusing to send hot water to hotel rooms. They pay US $1000 per night but only eat cup noodles. There was a case of a kid scrawling his name in chinese characters on an ancient stone in Egypt. And many more cases.
They are aware that the world is slowly turning against their arrogant boorish "me first" type behaviour. Thank goodness they are still too afraid to drink a lot when they travel! LOL.
LittleBigMan
12-22-14, 13:24
Gogos and Discos are so loud in general, how can you say someone speaks too loud. If people speak at all softly, I can't hear them. I do have problems at my work place with certain nationalities sometimes being too loud.
I get particularly annoyed when people speaking on the phone lift their level several decibels which seems totally unnecessary with little background noise situations.
I don't meet such Aussies in go gos, perhaps because I am not in Pattaya. At a Sports Pub in Bangkok I found the noisy Aussies stayed mostly outside. I stayed inside.On many nights I have been in go go's and I'll be the first to tell you " you whites guys all look the same " they come in already having a few too many talking loud as if they were getting ready for a Ruby game. I seen this regularly at Spanky's late, they come in and take those rubber things and start to whack the shit out of the girls. They smile but inside I'm thinking otherwise? I was once at Happy Go Go, sitting enjoying my drink two guys came in one of the guys look all pumped up on something. The both was sitting in front of me on the stools had a few girls having drinks with them. Next thing I know the pump up guy jumps up and gives his buddy a fucking headlock submission move on his friend head saying " I'll break you fucking neck " His friend had glasses on and look like Bill Gates? Didn't know what he said but he was no match for his friend. The girls jumped in and all the Thai waiters tried to break it up! The guy ended up paying for the broken glasses plus replacing my drink and a few others.
When I was leaving his buddy was outside sad and trying to fix his glasses. I felt sorry for him having a friend like that? A trip ruined! Sometimes I think people come to Pattaya like the college kids go on Spring Break?
LittleBigMan
12-22-14, 13:44
Without wishing to divert the board, the Chinese are well aware their citizens are behaving in a very bad way and creating perception images of the chinese.
They would like to be viewed as being sweet, and soft and happy and kind. Instead they are becoming well known for being incandescent with rage at the slightest mishap on many planes (latest being the well publicised scalding of Air Asia staff because a couple couldn't sit together). When the President went to Maldives he heard that Chinese vacationers were referred to a CN's. Not standing for Chinese, but for cup noodles and that hotels were refusing to send hot water to hotel rooms. They pay US $1000 per night but only eat cup noodles. There was a case of a kid scrawling his name in chinese characters on an ancient stone in Egypt. And many more cases.
They are aware that the world is slowly turning against their arrogant boorish "me first" type behaviour. Thank goodness they are still too afraid to drink a lot when they travel! LOL.Hey I'm Chinese but a American, I could have told you this? I have a large large family and during special events or holidays while growing up my Dad and Uncles would be standing like inches away and if you were a visitor think they were going throw a few blows in a minute. I've seen this as I traveled throughout the south of China with my cousins from Hong Kong before it fully opened up. Put in a few drinks and it gets worse? My cousins use to tell me beware doing business with the Chinese in China they couldn't be trusted many like my cousin in Hong Kong do not feel they are the same as the Chinese in the Mainland.
What I mean is that most Americans who monger are very very discreet about their activities as it could cost them their jobs, etc.Most absurd thing I ever heard. Losing a job? More like losing a wife. But that goes for all nationalities.
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