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Been going to oilies for about 8 years running now. Pay the house oily fee plus the 1500 baht to the cashier as I walk out. Never tip a baht, except to the gal who bring my water to whom I give 20. Always get fantastic service from gals.I agree with Goatscrot 100%. The only tips I ever give are to the girls that clean my hotel room. They work their asses off all day for a lot less than the 1500 that an oily girl gets for less than 2 hours of work.
Business Model.
In my recent visit to Bangkok I saw a city of contrasts. The hotel that I stayed in was to a good modern standard in terms of facilities and service. Adjacent and connected to the hotel was Terminal 21 Mall which is was also to a good modern standard in terms of facilities and service. This is probably the best mall in Bangkok. These business make their offering in accordance with modern and relevant business models and in accordance with what their customers demand. I came to think of the hotel as an oasis. In contrast, and on the opposite side of the road, the businesses in Soi Cowboy make their offering in a dilapidated run down area in accordance with a business model which has not been updated since the time of the Vietnam war. Businesses have to adapt according to what their customers demand to survive.What business model would you suggest? In my opinion it is the variety that gives Bangkok the appeal. Soi Cowboy is still relatively popular. You still have the options to only watch if you like, engange in playfull conversations with the girls. Leave, or just pick one for barfine if you like. I think it is a great concept. What would we gain if it disappeared? The main problem with Soi Cowboy is probably the fact that several bars are now taken over by the same owner (refered to as the Iranian guy). And these bars are the worst. I do not mind professional bar multi-owners if they run a good show (like the "Happy" Group in Patttaya) but this guy is obviously not in their league. Reconstruction of the area would probably only hike the prices. Keep it as it is, but secure a diversity of owners (if possible) and focus on eye candy. And we will all be happy.
Been going to oilies for about 8 years running now. Pay the house oily fee plus the 1500 baht to the cashier as I walk out. Never tip a baht, except to the gal who bring my water to whom I give 20. Always get fantastic service from gals.My post referred to a BJ Bar, not an oily. But anyway, I guess you don't tip BJ girls either?
Agreed, if "best" means upscale, then Siam Paragon might be the best. The stores in Terminal 21 are smaller and they don't carry the Hi so brands. It is the best mall I know of, anywhere, for eating, if you're not looking for a fancy meal.I concur. The food court on the 5th floor is excellent and dirt cheap. Meals start at 25 B although those are not the best ones. But if you try out some different stalls you'll find the best ones eventually and you can have a good meal for about 50 B. Most of us will need 2 meals though because the portions are quite small.
Business Model.
In my recent visit to Bangkok I saw a city of contrasts. The hotel that I stayed in was to a good modern standard in terms of facilities and service. Adjacent and connected to the hotel was Terminal 21 Mall which is was also to a good modern standard in terms of facilities and service. This is probably the best mall in Bangkok. These business make their offering in accordance with modern and relevant business models and in accordance with what their customers demand. I came to think of the hotel as an oasis. In contrast, and on the opposite side of the road, the businesses in Soi Cowboy make their offering in a dilapidated run down area in accordance with a business model which has not been updated since the time of the Vietnam war. Businesses have to adapt according to what their customers demand to survive.I guess you can consider the introduction of coyote girls as an update to the business model. If it was a good update is a different story since most coyote bars in Soi Cowboy don't seem to attract a lot of customers. But in Pattaya there are some succesful coyote bars like for example Sensations.
They might not be what customers have asked for. But in economy sometimes the supply triggers the demand.
The other mall not yet mentioned is Emporium, which is also on Suk and several Soi blokcs from Terminal 21. I don't really care for the high end stores there, however, the food court and adjacent bakeries on the 4th floor are quite good. On the 5th floor is arguably the best movie venue in Bangok and also the most expensive. The theaters do have first class sections and very comfortable seating throughout. This week several recent Hollywood releases will open including Unbroken and Birdman.
On the same floor is an interesting Internet library and cafe overlooking the park and the CBD.
To stick to the our normal subject at hand. Yesterday, at the Emporium, I saw an amazing looking girl, probably Japanese, wearing a short Cinderalla type dress with pink and white rectangles and lace fringes around the neck and arms. To top it off, she was wearing mid thigh high white hosiery with black shoes. I followed her for a bit but she disappeared into the BTS headed towards the Bearing track. She had that anime type page boy haircut and was the embodiment of a living doll.
I noticed even some Thais in the mall were amused by her get up. I was told later that this mall attracts some spectacular looking women.
I believe this is the second time you have made a reference to the Mall at Terminal 21 as the best mall in Bangkok. While I agree with your first statement about the mall I disagree with it being the best in Bangkok. Even with my limited knowledge of Bangkok I think the mall at Siam is a much better and larger mall than Terminal 21.
The other mall not yet mentioned is Emporium, which is also on Suk and several Soi blokcs from Terminal 21. I don't really care for the high end stores there, however, the food court and adjacent bakeries on the 4th floor are quite good. On the 5th floor is arguably the best movie venue in Bangkok and also the most expensive. The theaters do have first class sections and very comfortable seating throughout. This week several recent Hollywood releases will open including Unbroken and Birdman.*snip* I was told later that this mall attracts some spectacular looking women.Ah, location is everything! Emporium also offers quick access to Mango, although the renovations are creating a maze and the direct access through the Emporium Dept store cosmetics area is closed. (I've have avoided post-session starvation by going to the food court Tomasb mentions.) Also 2 minutes from Snow White.
I'll second the opinion of the movie theater, too. A couple of years ago, I saw "John Carter of Mars", which was a spectacularly BAD movie (especially disappointing given that I had read the multiple book series during my youth--about a 1,000 years ago.) I was accompanied by my Indonesian g. F. , however, and had a spectacularly good two hours under wraps in the first class seats (whatever they're called). Enjoy. TTG.
Ah, location is everything! Emporium also offers quick access to Mango, although the renovations are creating a maze and the direct access through the Emporium Dept store cosmetics area is closed. (I've have avoided post-session starvation by going to the food court Tomasb mentions.) Also 2 minutes from Snow White.
I'll second the opinion of the movie theater, too. A couple of years ago, I saw "John Carter of Mars", which was a spectacularly BAD movie (especially disappointing given that I had read the multiple book series during my youth--about a 1,000 years ago.) I was accompanied by my Indonesian g. F. , however, and had a spectacularly good two hours under wraps in the first class seats (whatever they're called). Enjoy. TTG.Another mall worth visiting is a relatively new one, Central Embassy. Walking from the Ploen Chit station (sp)? in the direction of Siam, it is just past Wireless Street and on the right hand side.
It is a luxury mall, but has a really good, albeit not so large, food court in the basement. And also some higher end restaurants on one of the top floors.
My post referred to a BJ Bar, not an oily. But anyway, I guess you don't tip BJ girls either?Blowjob bar girls know what the job is and they make very good money by Thai standards to do it.
Member #4591
02-15-15, 13:27
Business Model.
In my recent visit to Bangkok I saw a city of contrasts. The hotel that I stayed in was to a good modern standard in terms of facilities and service. Adjacent and connected to the hotel was Terminal 21 Mall which is was also to a good modern standard in terms of facilities and service. This is probably the best mall in Bangkok. These business make their offering in accordance with modern and relevant business models and in accordance with what their customers demand. I came to think of the hotel as an oasis. In contrast, and on the opposite side of the road, the businesses in Soi Cowboy make their offering in a dilapidated run down area in accordance with a business model which has not been updated since the time of the Vietnam war. Businesses have to adapt according to what their customers demand to survive.I doubt very much Soi Cowboy will change to adapt to any customer when they are doing just fine the way they are now. Keep dreaming.
I doubt very much Soi Cowboy will change to adapt to any customer when they are doing just fine the way they are now. Keep dreaming.Doing fine? Know many bar owners? Most are really hurting. But hey, expensive drinks and expensive girls who don't perform that well, want to rush, and don't have great attitudes will not keep the locals coming back. And hey, what kept Cowboy going was always locals.
Hi,
This is my first time mongering in Thailand. Although the price is pretty good compare to China / Japan and Korea. I could not find an establishment that does GFE. (besides Bangkok escort which is stated on their website) basically for me DFK and BBBJ is kinda a requirement. Was wondering if anyone could help. So far I only been to massage parlour like Nataree in BKK and Sayuri in Chiang Mai.
Crocodilexp
02-15-15, 18:09
please point me to where could I get some Super Kamagra. I have tried asking the pharmacies in the past and they don't seem to have it. Some of the street vendors seem to carry it but not sure how legit it is. Thanks!!
Sildenafil Citrate is the active ingredient. It doesn't matter what the actual pill is called, Viagra, Kamagra, Sidegra, Super Kamagra, Ultra Shagagra, if it has that ingredient, it'll work in the same way (Cialis is different, BTW). Some of the streetside pills may not have the full quantity as advertised on the packaging, or might have been improperly stored. Sidegra is a Thai generic, and is most likely to be up to spec, unlikely to be fake. Ask for that one in the pharmacies. It is not rare at all, although some pharmacies may not carry it.
Hi,
This is my first time mongering in Thailand. Although the price is pretty good compare to China / Japan and Korea. I could not find an establishment that does GFE. (besides Bangkok escort which is stated on their website) basically for me DFK and BBBJ is kinda a requirement. Was wondering if anyone could help. So far I only been to massage parlour like Nataree in BKK and Sayuri in Chiang Mai.Personally unlike queens park plaza. It's a complex of bars, some owned by expats which may or may not have girls. Some owned by Thais. Girls come in differnt ages, shapes and sizes but my experience is that they are eager to please and are on the look out for a boyfriend which could be long term or a few days. They are realists. That said I have had some very loving experiences.
My personal favorites are Hideaway for drinking and a few games of pool, this is right at the back left hand corner of the complex. In front of that is Good luck bar with around 10-15 girls. They can be very thirsty but good fun. Popeyes is a other good bar owned by the same thai woman, it's at the front on the immediate right. There Are a couple more bats on a side soi opposite queens park plaza with love me bar the best. If you want a late night then Popeyes and love me are open until at least 6 am if not later.
Member #4591
02-15-15, 18:35
Personally unlike queens park plaza. It's a complex of bars, some owned by expats which may or may not have girls. Some owned by Thais. Girls come in differnt ages, shapes and sizes but my experience is that they are eager to please and are on the look out for a boyfriend which could be long term or a few days. They are realists. That said I have had some very loving experiences.
My personal favorites are Hideaway for drinking and a few games of pool, this is right at the back left hand corner of the complex. In front of that is Good luck bar with around 10-15 girls. They can be very thirsty but good fun. Popeyes is a other good bar owned by the same thai woman, it's at the front on the immediate right. There Are a couple more bats on a side soi opposite queens park plaza with love me bar the best. If you want a late night then Popeyes and love me are open until at least 6 am if not later.
These places always seemed quite dead when I've walked by.
Member #4591
02-15-15, 18:43
Doing fine? Know many bar owners? Most are really hurting. But hey, expensive drinks and expensive girls who don't perform that well, want to rush, and don't have great attitudes will not keep the locals coming back. And hey, what kept Cowboy going was always locals.Really? Soi Cowboy is kept going by the locals? Do you mean the local Thai people? Because foreigners are not considered locals anywhere in Thaialnd so I am unclear. I have seen so few Thais in Soi Cowboy with the exception of the door men and the odd group of Thai gangsters in Bacarra. Soi Cowboy caters to foreigners, like Japanese, Chinese, and then farang in that order. At least this has been my experience in the last 4 years. If you are talking about the local foreigners then I would say you are dead wrong. Just go into Bacarra on any given night. Jammed with Japanese guys. Crazy house is about 50/50 farang Japanese but locals? No way! Mostly tourists.
Hi everyone,
This is the third post of my "Checking BJ Bars" series. Here's the link to the first and second posts:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1682125#post1682125.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1682476#post1682476.
My third visit to BJ bars in Bangkok was to Dr. BJs down Sukhumvit Soi 7/1. I visited the facility one evening at about 5:30 PM and was surprised by the huge line-up (About 15 girls available). As I stopped by the door a lady greeted my and invited me in and asked me to sit in the lobby area. Soon, all the girls were sitting / standing all looking at me to choose one. What a stressful moment! : the Well! Soon realized that despite the massive line-up, none of them is really catching my eye, most of them being fat / chubby. At last, chosen Lady G, a consultant with a cute face who seemed to be kinda naughty, and we went upstairs and entered one of the rooms. Well! More like a cage other than a room. And man! I could never ever call it a business class facility. The only thumbs-up was the washing facility which was included in the cage.
Initial greetings, clothes getting undone, washing, cleaning, etc. Done. Her attitude, although very friendly, was kinda pushy soon asking me whether I am alone at my hotel and whether I want to bar-fine her and spend the night with her. And not even started yet, she asked me I want to do boom-boom which I answered negatively. So, there we go. Good pace! She used her hands to control the depth and went on kinda soft. Comparing to what I had experienced on Lollipop 1, the quality of BJ was worse but was enough to keep me and my junior awake. 15 minutes passed and I shot in her mouth. OMG! My shot also went on too far down her throat and she immediately coughed and spitted out while proceeding to empty the remaining amount of fluid in the container on my belly.
We are done! 1000 THB for the BJ, 200 THB tip to the girl, and I'm out. Well! To be honest, I expected more from Dr. BJs. Will I return? I don't think so.
And I give it a score of 2.5 stars out of 5.
Upside: Better facilities comparing lollipop 1 (Still not the best for the price), Massive line-up, Introduction / Briefing process, Acceptable BJ quality.
Downside: Unattractive girls (According to my humble taste), Pushy girl, High price for other services (FS, Take-out, etc.).
And my next report goes to Lo-Lee-Ta's.
Hi,
This is my first time mongering in Thailand. Although the price is pretty good compare to China / Japan and Korea. I could not find an establishment that does GFE. (besides Bangkok escort which is stated on their website) basically for me DFK and BBBJ is kinda a requirement. Was wondering if anyone could help. So far I only been to massage parlour like Nataree in BKK and Sayuri in Chiang Mai.Go to massage parlours such as Mango, Tulip, or Bamboo to find a lot more than what you are looking for.
Wow,
I'm glad my FR could generate some discussion. Yeah, EE looks a tiny bit older than her photo, but everything else is the same. Is the boob job terrible from halfway through the nipple down, like pornstars with new enhancements? Glad I didn't see them then. I only got to see the top half of her boob. Thank you everyone for giving my the real 411, but I doubt it makes a difference to me if she was older, had a child, lived abroad, etc. I still had a great service from her, the exchange of pleasantries had nil bearing on that.
Yeah, I came in with the wrong idea, I tried to bring my expertise from central america to south east asia, the two regions are vastly different. Even from country to country, so far that I've noticed.
Yeah, I don't tip unless it's for phenominal service, or they did things extra, or did extra things without asking. Nont from LOL-itas complained and was very mechanical. EE might have gotten a tip if she allowed VIP service or she let me finger bang her or something. Otherwise I'm paying for services rendered, if not more for what I recieved.
Seriously, someone enlighten me on ladyboys. If gay guys arent into them, how can straight guys be? They have a penis. You have a penis. You must be gay, or some level of gay or bi. Who are these people that try or be with the lady boys? Closet gays? Curious straight men? Drunk straight men? Adventurous straight men? Confused bi? I don't get it hahaha.
The stores in Terminal 21 are smaller and they don't carry the hi-so brands. It is the best mall I know of, anywhere, for eating, if you're not looking for a fancy meal.Mr. 12 knows whereof he speaks.
The food court (or "hawker stalls," if you like) at Terminal 21 is awesome. No matter what you want to eat, they have it. You'll pay a few baht more than you would out on the street. But eating indoors where there is air conditioning has much to recommend it, especially when it's rainy or hot.
I also like the way you pay for your food, using a debit card that you can "top off," just like a prepaid cell phone. It saves me having to juggle a bunch of small bills, or even worse, coins. The dining area is clean and comfortable, and you can always find a seat even during busy times.
Elsewhere in Terminal 21 are fancier restaurants, but I don't know why you'd want to eat there. There is also a movie theater and a Dairy Queen, if you're hankering for some American-style dessert.
If you are shopping for electronic stuff at the MBK Center, there is a food court there too. It's pretty good, but not as good as the food court at Terminal 21.
Bunky
These places always seemed quite dead when I've walked by.Depends what time you go. It's more a late night place and you need to go inside past the first row of bars. That said Popeyes is pretty much front and centre and busy from 3 am onwards.
So glad I stayed there. Right across the street from some major action.
Sildenafil Citrate is the active ingredient. It doesn't matter what the actual pill is called, Viagra, Kamagra, Sidegra, Super Kamagra, Ultra Shagagra, if it has that ingredient, it'll work in the same way (Cialis is different, BTW). Some of the streetside pills may not have the full quantity as advertised on the packaging, or might have been improperly stored. Sidegra is a Thai generic, and is most likely to be up to spec, unlikely to be fake. Ask for that one in the pharmacies. It is not rare at all, although some pharmacies may not carry it.The active ingredient in Super Kamagra is Sildenafil Citrate + Dapoxetine, so it does work differently to the others I guess. Anybody ever acquired it in BKK?
Actually the photo is real though several years old. EE really looks that way. I haven't seen her in a year. The problem with EE unless she has had another op is that she has the worst sillies I have seen on a girl. They are EE and droopy. It is actually better when she keeps the bra on to keep up the illusion. Service is excellent and she does anal as well. At least she used to. She does a great Nuru body slide. All in all great service but the boobs put me off so much that I haven't repeated.Yes not photo shopped. She is planning to get her boobs fixed, but it will be a long recovery process to get a really top class fix job, so has been putting it off. I assume that having a child (when quite young) was a contributer to spoiling the tits many years ago, but clearly not a good job. Apart from the tits, she has many good aspects. She is still very popular for those that can ignore the bad tit job, and otherwise quite good looking. I am not going to weigh in on her age. Age is not important.
Why do these girls go under the knife? That is a rhetorical question. It's too bad. There is no accounting for the bad taste of some punters.I blame the guys that complain about Thai girls having small tits.
While we can't blame the punters for a bad tit job, it is amazing how many guys are very tit-centric. Why is big tits seen as so important? Personally I always look at the face first (especially the nose), followed by liking slim legs with gap, a nice ass not too big and saggy, and finally the tits comes absolutely last in terms of importance. I can accept girls with almost no tits, small, or large. I can even ignore a bad tit job sometimes, if the girl has a lot of other good aspects. I long ago had a girlfriend who had beautiful tits but just good A cups. She was forbidden to get a tit job, but still went ahead and did it anyway when I was away. They were somewhat too big afterwards. They did soften up over time and I got used to them, so now evaluate them as somewhat okay.
I never pick a girl because of her tits, especially if not real. If they are nice, its just a bonus. I look for other things. There are things we have to get used to. So many girls have tats I would prefer they did not. Some have piercings. Ring through nose is the worst as reminds me of a buffalo. Hundreds of girls are unnecessarily getting braces on the teeth. At least in this case the end result should look good. Many girls smoke. This is just as bad as a tit job for me.
Really? Soi Cowboy is kept going by the locals? Do you mean the local Thai people? Because foreigners are not considered locals anywhere in Thaialnd so I am unclear. I have seen so few Thais in Soi Cowboy with the exception of the door men and the odd group of Thai gangsters in Bacarra. Soi Cowboy caters to foreigners, like Japanese, Chinese, and then farang in that order. At least this has been my experience in the last 4 years. If you are talking about the local foreigners then I would say you are dead wrong. Just go into Bacarra on any given night. Jammed with Japanese guys. Crazy house is about 50/50 farang Japanese but locals? No way! Mostly tourists.No dude, I mean the local expats. Guys who live here year round. I have lived here for 15 years. Cowboy was traditionally the expat hangout. These "Locals" sustained the place. Most of the bars are hurting. Been here in low season? Last year was terrible for most bar owners. And high season is not what it was. Um, and Cowboy was almost 100% Farang until the mid 00's. You saw other Asians occasionally. Most bars had quite a few patrons every night. Almost every expat had a local watering hole in Soi Cowboy. Even if you were not looking to get laid, you went there to drink and hang out with your friends. No more. There are a very few bars in Cowboy that are making money; most are hurting. Why? because they have pretty much priced out and the girls have "attituded" out the residents. Tourists will not sustain the place over the long haul. It will follow the same route as Patpong, dying a slow death.
Asoke is one of the prime locations in the city. Cowboy is an eyesore to many. Frankly, the only reason Cowboy still exists is that the shophouses on the street have individual owners. If it were owned by one person or one family it would have been sold years ago and been part of the Interchange tower. Going forward it will change. I could see it as a strip of restaurants and clubs in the future.
I blame the guys that complain about Thai girls having small tits.
While we can't blame the punters for a bad tit job, it is amazing how many guys are very tit-centric. Why is big tits seen as so important? Personally I always look at the face first (especially the nose), followed by liking slim legs with gap, a nice ass not too big and saggy, and finally the tits comes absolutely last in terms of importance. I can accept girls with almost no tits, small, or large. I can even ignore a bad tit job sometimes, if the girl has a lot of other good aspects. I long ago had a girlfriend who had beautiful tits but just good A cups. She was forbidden to get a tit job, but still went ahead and did it anyway when I was away. They were somewhat too big afterwards. They did soften up over time and I got used to them, so now evaluate them as somewhat okay.
I never pick a girl because of her tits, especially if not real. If they are nice, its just a bonus. I look for other things. There are things we have to get used to. So many girls have tats I would prefer they did not. Some have piercings. Ring through nose is the worst as reminds me of a buffalo. Hundreds of girls are unnecessarily getting braces on the teeth. At least in this case the end result should look good. Many girls smoke. This is just as bad as a tit job for me.Not at tit guy either. Ass and legs, followed by face and then tits. But the former two can be marginal as long as there is a great ass and wonderful pair of legs.
Sorry where is this? Which station is it near? Is it more like a gogo bar? Do you know anywhere for paid sex like massage parlour without going thru many hoops that offer GFE.
Personally unlike queens park plaza. It's a complex of bars, some owned by expats which may or may not have girls. Some owned by Thais. Girls come in differnt ages, shapes and sizes but my experience is that they are eager to please and are on the look out for a boyfriend which could be long term or a few days. They are realists. That said I have had some very loving experiences.
My personal favorites are Hideaway for drinking and a few games of pool, this is right at the back left hand corner of the complex. In front of that is Good luck bar with around 10-15 girls. They can be very thirsty but good fun. Popeyes is a other good bar owned by the same thai woman, it's at the front on the immediate right. There Are a couple more bats on a side soi opposite queens park plaza with love me bar the best. If you want a late night then Popeyes and love me are open until at least 6 am if not later.
Sorry where is this? Which station is it near?Sukhumvit Soi 22, close to Imperial Queen's Park Hotel. Get off the skytrain at Phrom Phong station and walk back towards Asoke.
Do you know anywhere for paid sex like massage parlour without going thru many hoops that offer GFE. I nominate GetsZa for the "RTFT" of the year award. There are only a couple of hundred places in Bangkok that fit this description. Read the threads. Or just walk around. Your odds are better for GFE if you hook up with a woman who speaks a bit of English, and there is no shortage of candidates in the Sukhumvit area. If you don't want to jump through hoops, like at a go go, then try oil massage, be nice to the lady, and pay repeat visits. Btw, Nataree, which you've already tried, and Ratchadapisek Road in general is one of the last places I'd go if GFE were high on my list, so don't get discouraged.
MikeKelimir
02-16-15, 07:47
2. USD costs: Converting from thb to usd is easy; it's a touch over 30 baht to the dollar. This means 300 thb (basic massage) is a little under ten bucks. Typical short-time prices are 1000 to 2000 thb (figure $30-60) depending on situation and negotiating skills. Soapies and oilies will run higher but the prices are posted and you can do the math easily. Plan to tip.
HTH.I think I'm still trying to wrap my head around the pricing. For some reason, I was thinking Thailand was cheaper than what it appears to be in comparison to Latin or south america. For example from Costa Rica to Panama, prices range from $40 to $100 based on location / quality and if you are in a place like Del Rey vs. A MP. And then then Colombia is roughly 75% of the equivalent costs. The mansion girls charging $70-ish and even a top end girl at Fase2 or whatever (a playboy-model type, which is my type) is under $100.
After reading about 10 pages of posts, it seems like the prices in Thai are actually higher. 5,000 bht is like $150. Even at the lower end of 2,000, that is $60. I think I was just expecting to be in the range of $20-30 for a nice MP and then $80-$90 for the top end girls. I guess that's not the case at all. My.
Just to add to the notion go-gos basically are foreign to Asian culture, aren't the vast majority of go-gos in Bangkok and Pattaya owned by foreigners? And most of the soapies and oil massage places by Thais? I'm not sure about this, but have that impression.I don't have the exact numbers, but I do believe that a majority of go-gos are, indeed, owned by foreigners.
Interesting analysis and from a historical point of view, probably even contains a grain of truth.
But. . . My question is: if the agogo clubs go away, what will replace them? How will the scene actually improve?Maybe somebody can shed some light, but I can't think of any Asian country that has / had strip-style clubs that did NOT have some sort of large US military presence.
I don't know that anything will "replace" the go-go bars, I suspect they will simply cease to exist and the scene will revert to a much more "Asian flavor" scene. The days of rich Americans throwing money around are long gone. They've been replaced by rich Asians, often Chinese. I think that the go-gos that remain will cater to the Japanese trade. You'll see more karaoke bars. Maybe even more massage places. Much of the rest of the scene will go "underground. " By that I mean venues a bit like Biergarten, or other freelance-style venues. Above all, for the independent freelancers, I think the Internet will be the place to meet customers. The Thais are daffy about social media apps, and this certainly appears to be the trend. It's much easier to sit on your ass at home, or someplace, and chat with potential customers than it is to sit on your ass in a go-go bar for 12 hours.
So, that's my prognostication, and it's worth roughly what you paid for it. :D
I think I'm still trying to wrap my head around the pricing. For some reason, I was thinking Thailand was cheaper than what it appears to be in comparison to Latin or south america. For example from Costa Rica to Panama, prices range from $40 to $100 based on location / quality and if you are in a place like Del Rey vs. A MP. And then then Colombia is roughly 75% of the equivalent costs. The mansion girls charging $70-ish and even a top end girl at Fase2 or whatever (a playboy-model type, which is my type) is under $100.
After reading about 10 pages of posts, it seems like the prices in Thai are actually higher. 5,000 bht is like $150. Even at the lower end of 2,000, that is $60. I think I was just expecting to be in the range of $20-30 for a nice MP and then $80-$90 for the top end girls. I guess that's not the case at all. My.It used to be this way. Those days are gone. Between Thailand's demographic shift and loads of overpaying punters, the scene has changed. A lot.
I will point out that a high-end MP was never in the $20 - $30 range. You could generally expect to drop at least $100, often more if you like the "model" variety. However, these days, a go-go short-time quickie can easily run in the $100 range, so suddenly a couple hours in a soapie don't look so bad.
MikeKelimir
02-16-15, 19:33
It used to be this way. Those days are gone. Between Thailand's demographic shift and loads of overpaying punters, the scene has changed. A lot.
I will point out that a high-end MP was never in the $20 - $30 range. You could generally expect to drop at least $100, often more if you like the "model" variety. However, these days, a go-go short-time quickie can easily run in the $100 range, so suddenly a couple hours in a soapie don't look so bad.Well I am literally changing my trip because of this. I have 2 months to go spend somewhere and this is not at all what I was hoping for. I was probably living in dreamland. I am so incredibly sick of $100 attitude girls here in Latin america, I just want to go somewhere in the world where there are still good deals and fun to be had. 26 hours on a plane and $1400 for a ticket for that type of budget is just not worth it.
I don't even know which country to start looking at to find the place I'm looking for. Probably it's back to Medellin for me. I want to cry.
There Are a couple more bats on a side soi opposite queens park plaza with love me bar the best. If you want a late night then Popeyes and love me are open until at least 6 am if not later.Is Love Me a good place? Attractive girls?
I have a question that isn't discussed too often here. I will be in Bangkok with some business clients and I want to get some information of the high end places in Bangkok. I know La Belle and maybe Emporium are said to be high end but I was wondering if there are others. I am talking about top of the line luxury spas with dedication to ultimate luxury, where a lot of thought has been put into the decor of the place and of course not forgetting a quality lineup.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
DwayneJohnson
02-16-15, 21:03
I have a question that isn't discussed too often here. I will be in Bangkok with some business clients and I want to get some information of the high end places in Bangkok. I know La Belle and maybe Emporium are said to be high end but I was wondering if there are others. I am talking about top of the line luxury spas with dedication to ultimate luxury, where a lot of thought has been put into the decor of the place and of course not forgetting a quality lineup.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.Utopia, Lords, Copa Cabana, Emanuelle and Amsterdam falls in bracket of La Belle.
Office and Taragon are popular among wealthy locals.
How "high end" is your "high end"?
You may try few gentleman clubs and post some unique FR (if successful in taking girls home).
Review The Pent and The Pimp for me please. .
MikeKelimir
02-16-15, 21:08
Review The Pent and The Pimp for me please..Is there really a place called The Pent and the Pimp?
After a recent visit I will agree with those who say the lack of C & D cups is not a big thing to me. I don't even expect to see it in Thailand. I to prefer a nice set of.
Legs, ass and the face is important. If I see what looks good I want to talk to her and see what comes of it. Sitting there and saying nothing is a big no for me.
As far as cowboy disappearing I highly doubt it. Maybe it will change somewhat or move to a different location but that is about all. Pat Pong didn't disappear, it.
changed.
The Asian influence is there more than before but there are only so many Japanese to go around. I would be watching the Chinese in the future. As far as farlangs.
are concerned I would bet there are more western (Aussie, European, or and American) tourists combined than Japanese. My experience is that Cowboy has only one.main Asian bar and another
with half the crowd.
Now this is only my opinion and facts are not important. What matter is can I find something to satisfy me.
Sorry where is this? Which station is it near? Is it more like a gogo bar? Do you know anywhere for paid sex like massage parlour without going thru many hoops that offer GFE.Try google maps, go there, explore, report.
After a recent visit I will agree with those who say the lack of C & D cups is not a big thing to me. I don't even expect to see it in Thailand. I to prefer a nice set of.
Legs, ass and the face is important. If I see what looks good I want to talk to her and see what comes of it. Sitting there and saying nothing is a big no for me.
As far as cowboy disappearing I highly doubt it. Maybe it will change somewhat or move to a different location but that is about all. Pat Pong didn't disappear, it.
changed.
The Asian influence is there more than before but there are only so many Japanese to go around. I would be watching the Chinese in the future. As far as farlangs.
are concerned I would bet there are more western (Aussie, European, or and American) tourists combined than Japanese. My experience is that Cowboy has only one.main Asian bar and another
with half the crowd.
Now this is only my opinion and facts are not important. What matter is can I find something to satisfy me.Cowboy can't "move to a different location" because there are no more licenses for GoGo bars being issued and the license is tied to the venue. Patpong has not disappeared. It has become a night market with a few GoGos around. Having been a resident for 15 years I can tell you the overall demographics are changing and that is overall for all tourists, and I am not just talking P4 P entertainment areas. Yes, there are lots of Chinese tourists, but very few are mongering. They have plenty of that in their country and it is not expensive like it is in Japan and Korea. Japanese expats was out number expats from any other nation. A quick look at the statistics for work permits issues will tell you that. The number of young Japanese mongers is also quite high. Hit Thermae lately? Lots of young dudes in there. Contrast that with many of the young Western hipster expats who are very turned off by mongering.
Bangkok is a very dynamic city. There have been more changes here in the last 15 years than most American cities have seen in triple that time. What I am saying is don't think the scene will be the same forever. It will change. Let me remind you that in Manila most all the GoGo bars were closed by one mayor and the Western entertainment areas were shut in Seoul overnight as well. Cowboy will not be there forever.
Member #4591
02-17-15, 04:35
Well I am literally changing my trip because of this. I have 2 months to go spend somewhere and this is not at all what I was hoping for. I was probably living in dreamland. I am so incredibly sick of $100 attitude girls here in Latin america, I just want to go somewhere in the world where there are still good deals and fun to be had. 26 hours on a plane and $1400 for a ticket for that type of budget is just not worth it.
I don't even know which country to start looking at to find the place I'm looking for. Probably it's back to Medellin for me. I want to cry.Check out the Philpines.
A few posters on this page have inquired about Latin American girls and prices compared to Bangkok. Since I lived in Peru for several years and have traveled extensively throughout the continent with the exception of Brasil, I think that I can contribute some information.
Prices in South America are generally cheaper but not so much to make a difference if contemplating changing venues to Asia. However, nothing compares to the the number of options in Bangkok to find a girl at any hour of the day or night and so many places to choose. Go-go bars, night clubs, discos, MP's, and free lance girls wandering the streets. It's a cornucopia of choice. Most places in Latin America don't have an area like Nana, as an example.
Cartagena, Colombia as an example, has a popular central plaza for tourists where free lance girls descend after 10 pm. They sit on park benches and hang out peddling their wares, so to speak. As usual, your negotiating skills can mean all the difference in pricing but for one hour, expect to pay about $75 USD for one hour and sometimes get a short term hotel as many hotels are not GF. Many of these girls have kids at home -- same like Bangkok.
One advantage, if you speak some Spanish, is the chance to talk to girls in a more social environment.
There is a famous disco there too but many guys end up paying ridiculous prices (I. E. $150 and up) plus lady drinks Etc.
The cheapest I ever paid was $25 to a little hottie I met near the central plaza in Granada, Nicaragua. However. I think her intent was to try to steal things from my room. Another time I paid $40 USD for a Colombia girl on one of the offshore islands in Panama but generally girls are going to want somewhere between $75 to $100 for an hour. As usual, ymmv.
I recently visited a club with chicas in Santa Marta, Colombia, which is a decrepit seaport four hours from Cartagena. I met a spectacular girl there and paid her $45 for an hour three days in a row. But the price was cheaper because the cost of living was cheaper than Cartagena and most guys there were Colombians who are accustomed to paying significantly less.
For what it is worth, I have found much better attitude, quality, and prices in Philippines than Bangkok. On one of their tourist islands, I found most girls who I met at this one particular nightclub would go with you for $40 US though would initially ask for more. I provided some reports in the PHP threads on my experiences. The only problem is many will pester you afterwards for more donations due to some kind of family catastrophe.
Frankly, I have been quite disappointed in Bangkok regarding the girls. Pricing, quality and attitude so far for me has been sub quality compared to other places I have visited. I hope it changes but not optimistic based on
My reading of this forum and conversations with male travelers in general.
Finally, Spanish is a fairly easy language to learn; Thai not so much. In the Philippines, girls speak better English than their counterparts in Thailand though their English skills can vary dramatically from person to person. Still, English script is everywhere and even their numbers are still of Spanish origin.
Member #4698
02-17-15, 05:19
Ha, don't cancel your plane ticket. Good times can be had in Asia on a budget for little money.
1. Thailand is still the place to go. Pattaya: Soi 6 - 1000 bt ST + 300 bt room. Lots of girls and good time bars.
2. The PI is great too. AC: Perimeter Road Bars - Average EWR 1500p LT. Super friendly girls.
3. Indonesia is worth exploring as well. Jakarta: Brothels (for example Classic Hotel & Travel Hotel) - 300,000 idr ST. A ton of girls here.
Ha, don't cancel your plane ticket. Good times can be had in Asia on a budget for little money.
1. Thailand is still the place to go. Pattaya: Soi 6 - 1000 bt ST + 300 bt room. Lots of girls and good time bars.
2. The PI is great too. AC: Perimeter Road Bars - Average EWR 1500p LT. Super friendly girls.
3. Indonesia is worth exploring as well. Jakarta: Brothels (for example Classic Hotel & Travel Hotel) - 300,000 idr ST. A ton of girls here.
Natty,
The guy is looking for playboy-model type girls. He won't find those in the places you mention.
MikeKelimir,
Maybe the agogo bars of Pattaya are an option for you. You can find pretty girls in for example Baccara or Happy agogo. And they are cheaper than in Bangkok: about 2500 or 3000 for a real looker for a ST. Negotiate 2 hours in your hotel.
Avoid the Coyote agogo's as the bar fine is much higher.
Check out the Philpines.Playboy-model type girls can be found in the PI but will be just as expensive or even more expensive than in BKK. In places like Burgos or EDSA in Manila anyway.
The bars in Angeles City that cater to the Japanese and Koreans might be an option. You can have a looker (and probably a starfish) for about 3000 Pesos.
Utopia, Lords, Copa Cabana, Emanuelle and Amsterdam falls in bracket of La Belle.
Office and Taragon are popular among wealthy locals.
How "high end" is your "high end"?
You may try few gentleman clubs and post some unique FR (if successful in taking girls home).
Review The Pent and The Pimp for me please. .My high end is as high as it goes. I am not worried about the cost as this will all be expensed. I have been to Bangkok twice and due to lack of experience or just plain stupidity I didn't really experience anything except Nana and Soi Cowboy. I never went to any of the high end soapies and massage parlors. I kick myself everyday for not knowing about La Belle or Emanuelle. This time I will be concentrating on trying out all the high end places. I will definitely check out La belle, Amsterdam, Utopia and the others you mentioned.
If there are other places or even better than the ones you mentioned please let me know.
Well I am literally changing my trip because of this. I have 2 months to go spend somewhere and this is not at all what I was hoping for. I was probably living in dreamland. I am so incredibly sick of $100 attitude girls here in Latin america, I just want to go somewhere in the world where there are still good deals and fun to be had. 26 hours on a plane and $1400 for a ticket for that type of budget is just not worth it.
I don't even know which country to start looking at to find the place I'm looking for. Probably it's back to Medellin for me. I want to cry.Yes, unfortunately far too many guys toss $100 bills around like confetti. "Gee, it'd be cheaper at home. ".
Have you considered South Vietnam? Lots of lovely ladies, although in Saigon LT may be a bit challenging. It's do-able but can be a PITA. LT at the beaches tends to be easier. I think the prices will be a bit cheaper than BKK, the attitudes are quite often better.
Myanmar is very interesting, and with the easing of the government, getting a long-term "tour guide' is probably even easier than when I went.
Cambodia is plagued by overspenders, but hasn't yet reached the levels of Thailand. Cambodian girls are very sweet, but not as good looking, IMHO, as the Thais.
As others have said, the PI may be worth checking out.
Yes, unfortunately far too many guys toss $100 bills around like confetti. "Gee, it'd be cheaper at home. ".
Cambodia is plagued by overspenders, but hasn't yet reached the levels of Thailand. Cambodian girls are very sweet, but not as good looking, IMHO, as the Thais.My least favorite quote that comes out of guys mouths. And you hear it way to often.
Cambo was really great at one time. Have not been since '04. ST was 5 USD at brothels, and gals from Martini's or Sharkey's were 20 USD all night. It was already starting to degrade then. Cannot imagine it now. Of course you went to Cambo to have Viet gals back them. Sadly now I hear they have all been kicked out.
Playboy-model type girls can be found in the PI but will be just as expensive or even more expensive than in BKK. In places like Burgos or EDSA in Manila anyway.
The bars in Angeles City that cater to the Japanese and Koreans might be an option. You can have a looker (and probably a starfish) for about 3000 Pesos.The Philippines has beautiful women, and savage men. If I were a Korean (or any other human) I would think twice about the Philippines.
http://blogs.wsj.com/korearealtime/2014/09/16/most-dangerous-place-to-be-a-korean-the-philippines/
Natty,
You can find pretty girls in for example Baccara or Happy agogo. And they are cheaper than in Bangkok: about 2500 or 3000 for a real looker for a ST. Negotiate 2 hours in your hotel.
Cheaper than bkk? Whats the going rate in bkk now?
Is Love Me a good place? Attractive girls?It can be a lot of fun. At 3 am and a lot of beer everyone looks stunning! There are some very nice girls there and in Popeyes.
Hi everyone,
This is the fourth post of my "Checking BJ Bars" series. Here's the link to the previous posts:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1682125#post1682125.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1682476#post1682476.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1682902#post1682902.
Checked this CodeWorded BJ Bar on another evening. Good line-up of about 10 girls outside all wearing naughty school-girl dresses. To my surprise, most of them were relatively young and some of them had really cute faces but none of them was actually a spinner type. Chose one youngish, chubby one with a cute face and we came up together. Upstairs there was a room were all the services / BJs took place. There were couches that were separated from each other by curtains. The whole area was lit by blue and red lights trying to build a sexy atmosphere. The service area was not crowded at all, only one of the curtains on the back was closed, so I assumed that there was only one other customer. Beside this, the first thing I noticed was a girl sitting alone on one of the couches near the entrance kinda playing with herself and concentrating to get off. And man she was so serious. Kinda practice I think. And absolutely funny!
Well! We went behind the curtains, initial take-offs and cleanings were done and she got to work. Not bad but soon her teeth came into action and I started to notice her teeth on my thing. It was not so bad but I really preferred the world without it. And that teeth made it harder for me to come so about 20 minutes and I blew it out. And in the last milliseconds, I noticed the strength of the pumping of the fluid flying out of the junior. Well! I was right and the fluid flew down her throat making her cough but to my surprise she didn't give up on my thing and milked it to the last drop.
And this choking / coughing happened again! I had never been in a BJ bar other than SOL before and it never happened there but in my trip this is the third (out of four) time that this happens. Is it actually related to the ability / experience of the girl doing the BJ or is it something that I should take care of to avoid such a situation?
Nevertheless, job done! Cleanings and we went done. 800 THB to the bar, 200 THB tip to the girl and off I went.
To sum up, Line-up was good, I liked the ambiance of the place, and it was tidy and clean. On the downside, quality of the BJ I received was not so good due to involvement of the giver's teeth.
My next report is going to be about Som's Haven.
Have a good time guys!
Member #4591
02-17-15, 16:11
Cheaper than bkk? Whats the going rate in bkk now?These are also the current rates in Bangkok now. The same as Pattaya.
Utopia, Lords, Copa Cabana, Emanuelle and Amsterdam falls in bracket of La Belle.
Office and Taragon are popular among wealthy locals.
Questions, Does Copacabana belong in this group? I've only been once, late in the evening. There weren't a lot of women left, and the upstairs section was closing down. I didn't notice anything special about the fishbowl, women or rooms.
I'm assuming the Office isn't the bar on Sukhumvit Soi 33?
Paul Kausch
02-17-15, 20:29
Questions, Does Copacabana belong in this group? I've only been once, late in the evening. There weren't a lot of women left, and the upstairs section was closing down. I didn't notice anything special about the fishbowl, women or rooms.It is part of the Lord Group. Not all locations are as upscale as The Lord Palace. Here's the url to a map of the locations.
http://www.thelord2009.com/contact.php{tagreplacement1}
I'm assuming the Office isn't the bar on Sukhumvit Soi 33?It is not. Here's the url to the Office that has been mentioned recently on ISG.
http://www.theofficemassageclub.com/index.php
Hi, all, new guy here.
I am hoping to get to Thailand in the latter half of April, spending time in BKK, Phuket and Pattaya. I have been reading the prolific postings. Information overload!
The question that I will start off with deals with what area to stay in BKK for the first leg of my trip. Obviously, I want to hang out near the Hana or Soi Cowboy areas on Sukhumvit, but should I stay closer to Hana or closer to Soi Cowboy, or somewhere in the middle?
I know there will be a difference of opinion on which mongering area is "best", so perhaps I should state the kind of experience I am looking for. I will then be 60, but am slender, look younger than I am, healthy, soft spoken, easily amused, don't smoke and don't really drink much. Beer is not my thing, nor getting drunk. I treat everyone with respect and don't wish to take advantage of anyone, even gogo girls. I prefer the spinner type Asian, young (over 18 certainly), tight body and firm stomach, no kids or droopy breasts, super pretty to beautiful, great legs, long hair, few tattoos or piercings, etc. I would probably want to spend time with some model types as well (more on that another time), and realize those areas are not on Sukhumvit. Don't care for chubby girls or ones with defective boob jobs.
The reason for thinking I should stay at one end of Sukhumvit or the other is a comment someone made about some girls getting upset if they have to walk very far. For example, would a bar girl from Hana get upset about walking to the Sofitel? A taxi would solve everything I suppose, but if ST is still 2 hours (questionable), a 10 or 15 minute walk with her might be fun. Now, walking from Hana to Terminal 21 might be a bit of a walk, so I can understand if she would insist on a taxi. While I will probably make that walk solo during the day to get in some street photography (I am an advanced amateur photographer), I think that would be too far to walk with a bar girl.
I would prefer to stay near a BTS station due to hauling luggage around. I would probably have one largish bag and a backpack. I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to haul stuff down Sukhumvit to a hotel. I can deal with taxis, but being a nube, I would rather avoid them to the extent possible, at least until I get comfortable with the area.
As for the type of hotel I want (and I have read lots thus far about them) I want a nice one, with in-room WiFi and a good A / see, but the best overall location is, for me, more important than price, but I really don't how what, for me, IS the best location. Hence, I am seeking advice.
Thanks
Hawk, The short answer is it doesn't matter where you stay. Nana has more women of the type you're looking for. But Cowboy is more convenient to Ratchadapisek Road (see below), and has Baccara. While I'm not a fan of Baccara, it's as good a place as any to find what you say you're looking for in terms of appearance. There are many, many entertainment options (massage, beer bars, clubs, karaoke, etc.) on the sois (side roads) branching off of Sukhumvit all the way from the Nana area to and past Cowboy.
My only suggestion would be you might want to pick a hotel that's not too far down the soi from the main Sukhumvit Road. I say "might" because I've stayed at several places that involved major hikes to Sukhumvit, President Park probably being the farthest, and they all had their charms.
Your date is likely to either be wearing heals or be lazy and will prefer a taxi. Taxis are readily available and inexpensive, as long as you get one that uses the meter. Frequently taxis parked in front of hotels or places like Nana will try to jack the price up. If so, walk half a block and find another one.
You should take a taxi from the airport directly to your hotel and not jack with mass transit. The cost should be under 10 dollars.
Trip Advisor and Google Maps are your friends. Find some places on Trip Advisor or this site that sound good and check the locations, with respect to Sukhumvit and if important to you, BTS stations (the skytrain). If you want to make sure the hotel is girl friendly, google "girl friendly hotels Bangkok" and look at the links. Or do a search on the hotel name on this site.
Based on your comments about models, you'd probably enjoy the massage places on Ratchadapisek Road. These are accessible via taxi, or by the MRT. There's an MRT station right next to the Asoke BTS station, and both are very close to Soi Cowboy.
Hi, all, new guy here.
I am hoping to get to Thailand in the latter half of April, spending time in BKK, Phuket and Pattaya. I have been reading the prolific postings. Information overload!
The question that I will start off with deals with what area to stay in BKK for the first leg of my trip. Obviously, I want to hang out near the Hana or Soi Cowboy areas on Sukhumvit, but should I stay closer to Hana or closer to Soi Cowboy, or somewhere in the middle?
I know there will be a difference of opinion on which mongering area is "best", so perhaps I should state the kind of experience I am looking for. I will then be 60, but am slender, look younger than I am, healthy, soft spoken, easily amused, don't smoke and don't really drink much. Beer is not my thing, nor getting drunk. I treat everyone with respect and don't wish to take advantage of anyone, even gogo girls. I prefer the spinner type Asian, young (over 18 certainly), tight body and firm stomach, no kids or droopy breasts, super pretty to beautiful, great legs, long hair, few tattoos or piercings, etc. I would probably want to spend time with some model types as well (more on that another time), and realize those areas are not on Sukhumvit. Don't care for chubby girls or ones with defective boob jobs.
The reason for thinking I should stay at one end of Sukhumvit or the other is a comment someone made about some girls getting upset if they have to walk very far. For example, would a bar girl from Hana get upset about walking to the Sofitel? A taxi would solve everything I suppose, but if ST is still 2 hours (questionable), a 10 or 15 minute walk with her might be fun. Now, walking from Hana to Terminal 21 might be a bit of a walk, so I can understand if she would insist on a taxi. While I will probably make that walk solo during the day to get in some street photography (I am an advanced amateur photographer), I think that would be too far to walk with a bar girl.
I would prefer to stay near a BTS station due to hauling luggage around. I would probably have one largish bag and a backpack. I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to haul stuff down Sukhumvit to a hotel. I can deal with taxis, but being a nube, I would rather avoid them to the extent possible, at least until I get comfortable with the area.
As for the type of hotel I want (and I have read lots thus far about them) I want a nice one, with in-room WiFi and a good A / see, but the best overall location is, for me, more important than price, but I really don't how what, for me, IS the best location. Hence, I am seeking advice.
ThanksFor hotels close to the action I liked and have been to.
Dynasty Inn. Kind of budget $60/ night. Next to Nana. Get the upgraded rooms in the back. You have to book thru their website.
Amari Hotel on soi 7. Upscale but you can get bargain rates thru Amari website <$100/ night.
Aloft Hotel on soi 11. Nice newer and clean hotel. Around $100/ night.
All 3 hotels were in good locations for the action.
Natty,
The guy is looking for playboy-model type girls. He won't find those in the places you mention.
MikeKelimir,
Maybe the agogo bars of Pattaya are an option for you. You can find pretty girls in for example Baccara or Happy agogo. And they are cheaper than in Bangkok: about 2500 or 3000 for a real looker for a ST. Negotiate 2 hours in your hotel.
Avoid the Coyote agogo's as the bar fine is much higher.There are pretty girls in Pa. Baccarra. There are absolutely none in Happy-a-gogo-the bset you get there is ok looking.
I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to haul stuff down Sukhumvit to a hotel. I can deal with taxis, but being a nube, I would rather avoid them to the extent possible, at least until I get comfortable with the area.I can picture it now, you sitting thru a 24 hour flight to reach Bangkok and then trying to find your way using the BTS system, then trying to lug your luggage down a little narrow walkway being used by a thousand pedestrians (ok 500), all in 95 degree weather. As to getting advice, read the board and do research, its all at your fingertips using google streetview.
Mumbai Guy
02-18-15, 12:50
Hey BKK cabbies are not all that bad. Ok they will try to rip you if you are not carefull. Cabbies all over the world are the same. Make it clear that you will pay by meter + the tolls before boarding the cab. The weather in BKK is not particularly nice for traveling by BTS and hauling your luggage to the hotel after a long flight.
As for your stay, if you are not on a budget I will recommend either Landmark or Sofitel. Both are 5* and within 5 minutes walking distance from the action. Otherwise you may also stay at Phachara suites or Dynasty Grand. Both are 4* and walkable distance from NEP on soi-6.
And check the link below for answers to all your possible queries.
http://www.bangkokredeye.com/
Hi, all, new guy here.
I am hoping to get to Thailand in the latter half of April, spending time in BKK, Phuket and Pattaya. I have been reading the prolific postings. Information overload!
The question that I will start off with deals with what area to stay in BKK for the first leg of my trip. Obviously, I want to hang out near the Hana or Soi Cowboy areas on Sukhumvit, but should I stay closer to Hana or closer to Soi Cowboy, or somewhere in the middle?
Thanks
Hey I stayed at Radisson Blu Plaza two months ago and its right next to Soi Cowboy. Its close to everything and girl friendly. Sofitel also is an option.
Hi, all, new guy here.
I am hoping to get to Thailand in the latter half of April, spending time in BKK, Phuket and Pattaya. I have been reading the prolific postings. Information overload!
The question that I will start off with deals with what area to stay in BKK for the first leg of my trip. Obviously, I want to hang out near the Hana or Soi Cowboy areas on Sukhumvit, but should I stay closer to Hana or closer to Soi Cowboy, or somewhere in the middle?
I know there will be a difference of opinion on which mongering area is "best", so perhaps I should state the kind of experience I am looking for. I will then be 60, but am slender, look younger than I am, healthy, soft spoken, easily amused, don't smoke and don't really drink much. Beer is not my thing, nor getting drunk. I treat everyone with respect and don't wish to take advantage of anyone, even gogo girls. I prefer the spinner type Asian, young (over 18 certainly), tight body and firm stomach, no kids or droopy breasts, super pretty to beautiful, great legs, long hair, few tattoos or piercings, etc. I would probably want to spend time with some model types as well (more on that another time), and realize those areas are not on Sukhumvit. Don't care for chubby girls or ones with defective boob jobs.
The reason for thinking I should stay at one end of Sukhumvit or the other is a comment someone made about some girls getting upset if they have to walk very far. For example, would a bar girl from Hana get upset about walking to the Sofitel? A taxi would solve everything I suppose, but if ST is still 2 hours (questionable), a 10 or 15 minute walk with her might be fun. Now, walking from Hana to Terminal 21 might be a bit of a walk, so I can understand if she would insist on a taxi. While I will probably make that walk solo during the day to get in some street photography (I am an advanced amateur photographer), I think that would be too far to walk with a bar girl.
I would prefer to stay near a BTS station due to hauling luggage around. I would probably have one largish bag and a backpack. I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to haul stuff down Sukhumvit to a hotel. I can deal with taxis, but being a nube, I would rather avoid them to the extent possible, at least until I get comfortable with the area.
As for the type of hotel I want (and I have read lots thus far about them) I want a nice one, with in-room WiFi and a good A / see, but the best overall location is, for me, more important than price, but I really don't how what, for me, IS the best location. Hence, I am seeking advice.
Thanks
The question that I will start off with deals with what area to stay in BKK for the first leg of my trip. Obviously, I want to hang out near the Hana or Soi Cowboy areas on Sukhumvit, but should I stay closer to Hana or closer to Soi Cowboy, or somewhere in the middle?
It doesn't matter so much where you stay. You don't mind walking and Nana and Soi Cowboy are only a 15 minute walk apart from one another. And if you don't want to walk you can always take the BTS from Nana to Asok or vice versa (although climbing up the stairs and waiting for the train can be just as tiring).
Most girls prefer to take a taxi to your hotel. Always hail a taxi that is driving by, don't take one that is standing still and certainly not near Nana or Soi Cowboy. In my experience 99% of the drivers turn on the meter. Bangkok cabbies are OK in general.
Hey FlHawk,
I live temporarily in an apartment on Soi 8. Next door is a decent Citadines with a free tuk tuk to Suk. Also, the Adelphi Suites on Soi 8 and much closer to Suk is pretty nice. I looked at the rooms and suites and they are really nice plus it has a decent ambience. Not sure of price but it is a one minute walk to Nana BTS station or [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s on Soi 6, if so inclined.
And I agree about taking the BTS from airport. It will be hot when you arrive and plenty of stairs to negotiate plus crowds all day long.
Codeword 901 is that naughty name from V. Nabokov novel of same title. Jeez!
And I agree about taking the BTS from airport. It will be hot when you arrive and plenty of stairs to negotiate plus crowds all day long.On my last trip I saw an Indian family leaving my hotel with 6 large pieces of luggage for the 4 of them. Only the husband was large enough to carry any of them. They waited outside of the hotel and finally managed to find a taxi willing to drive them down the soi to the metro station. What transpired after they were dropped off was one man trying to get 6 pieces of luggage onto the escalator and keeping anybody else from using the stairs. There's a point where being thrifty (cheap) isn't worth the savings.
Harry Dude
02-18-15, 20:58
I will then be 60, but am slender, look younger than I am, healthy, soft spoken, easily amused, don't smoke and don't really drink much. Beer is not my thing, nor getting drunk. I treat everyone with respect and don't wish to take advantage of anyone, even gogo girls.
Replace 60 with 50 and you've just described me.
The reason for thinking I should stay at one end of Sukhumvit or the other is a comment someone made about some girls getting upset if they have to walk very far. For example, would a bar girl from Hana get upset about walking to the Sofitel?
Yes. She wouldn't want to walk that far in heels. A taxi is the solution.
A taxi would solve everything I suppose, but if ST is still 2 hours (questionable), a 10 or 15 minute walk with her might be fun. Now, walking from Hana to Terminal 21 might be a bit of a walk, so I can understand if she would insist on a taxi. While I will probably make that walk solo during the day to get in some street photography (I am an advanced amateur photographer), I think that would be too far to walk with a bar girl.
Correct. That is way too far for a lady in heels.
I would prefer to stay near a BTS station due to hauling luggage around. I would probably have one largish bag and a backpack. I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to haul stuff down Sukhumvit to a hotel. I can deal with taxis, but being a nube, I would rather avoid them to the extent possible, at least until I get comfortable with the area.
I would also suggest staying near either NANA or ASOKE BTS stations. But not because of wanting to avoid taxis. There is no reason to fear taxi drivers in Bangkok. When you arrive at BKK airport for the first time, the sensible thing is to make sure you have about 500 Baht in 100 Baht notes, and then take a taxi to your hotel. I must have done this dozens of times, and I have never had any problems of any sort. Except when I tried to pay the driver with a 1000 baht note. Don't do that. On later trips to BKK you should try using the train to get downtown, but not the first time.
As for the type of hotel I want (and I have read lots thus far about them) I want a nice one, with in-room WiFi and a good A / see, but the best overall location is, for me, more important than price, but I really don't how what, for me, IS the best location. Hence, I am seeking advice.
Many good hotels have been suggested. These are my favorites. They are all VERY girl friendly. And the girls like these hotels too:
Grande Millenium near Asoke BTS: Super convenient, luxurious hotel, very short walking distance to Soi Cowboy. Girls won't mind at all walking. It's a two minute walk, literally. A four minute walk to the BTS station.
Sheraton Grande Sukhumvit. It's hard to get closer to the Asoke BTS. Walking distance to Soi Cowboy. No problem.
Landmark. Many rooms have a direct view down onto Nana. Walking distance to Nana, and to Nana BTS.
And the hotel which has been my favourite, between Nana and Soi Cowboy: Four Points by Sheraton (FP in the US generally suck, this is a superb hotel). Girls may walk with you from Soi Cowboy, but you should use a taxi from Nana. The Sofitel is close to FP and I hear really good things about it - however the closest I have gotten to Sofitel is the pool at FP - Sofitel casts a shadow over the FP pool for quite a few hours every day....
For photography in BKK I have other suggestions, but that's another story. Can't wait to get back to BKK in 5 weeks.
I prefer the spinner type Asian, young (over 18 certainly), tight body and firm stomach, no kids or droopy breasts, super pretty to beautiful, great legs, long hair, few tattoos or piercings, etc. I would probably want to spend time with some model types as well (more on that another time), and realize those areas are not on Sukhumvit. Don't care for chubby girls or ones with defective boob jobs.You've just described "model types. " I'm not sure how much "better" a model type might be, based upon your minimum standards.
To see a reasonable cross-section of what's available, go to the stickmanweekly.com site and look at his "Girl of the week" pictures. Is this the sort you're looking for? Most are thin and have nice hair. No kids? Try Vietnam. No tats? Very difficult to find these days. Long hair is hit and miss. Not as popular as it once was. Personally, I don't find his go-go girls particularly attractive. The escorts, IMHO, seem to be better looking, overall. The point, however, is these girls are supposed to be the crme de la crme. The other 99%, well...
If you expect lower Sukhumvit to be chock full of the girls you describe, I think you're about 15 years too late. You may have far more luck in the higher-end massage establishments on Ratchada.
I can picture it now, you sitting thru a 24 hour flight to reach Bangkok and then trying to find your way using the BTS system, then trying to lug your luggage down a little narrow walkway being used by a thousand pedestrians (ok 500), all in 95 degree weather.Haha You make an excellent point about skipping the BTS and taking a taxi. I guess I keep thinking a taxi ride that far will cost an arm and a leg. I have done a lot of research, but that one escaped me. Right now, I am making notes and trying to get the important things planned out, and I will be checking taxi prices from the airport.
Haha You make an excellent point about skipping the BTS and taking a taxi. I guess I keep thinking a taxi ride that far will cost an arm and a leg. I have done a lot of research, but that one escaped me. Right now, I am making notes and trying to get the important things planned out, and I will be checking taxi prices from the airport.The cab fare from the airport should be less than $20. Fare should run between 400 to 500 baht (including tolls) with a tip of 100 baht to Suk Soi 11. This is less than taking a shuttle in any major US city. The cab drivers are fast and efficient because they want to turn around quickly and make a good fare back to the airport.
Once you arrive at the airport, you will leave the customs area on the second level. Take the ramp or escalator down to the street level where you will see the cab lines. The folks there will assign you the next cab waiting after you tell them what your destination is. They will give you a receipt that has the cab company and number with your destination. You keep your copy, the driver gets a copy and the airport keeps one as protection against cabs that may want to gouge a tourist. The folks assigning the cabs are paid by the airport or the cab companies in an attempt to protect arriving tourists from gypsy or rouge cabs that may hurt the tourist trade.
Codeword 901 is that naughty name from V. Nabokov novel of same title. Jeez!List of prohibited words and reason.
http://isgprohibitedwords.info/index.php
The folks assigning the cabs are paid by the airport or the cab companies in an attempt to protect arriving tourists from gypsy or rouge cabs that may hurt the tourist trade.And that means a 50 baht fee on top of the meter and the tolls. Tipping is voluntary and some tens bath will do. I don't mind the bucks, but this is not US where tipping is a must.
Wolvenvacht
02-19-15, 08:07
The cab fare from the airport should be less than $20. Fare should run between 400 to 500 baht (including tolls) with a tip of 100 baht to Suk Soi 11. This is less than taking a shuttle in any major US city. The cab drivers are fast and efficient because they want to turn around quickly and make a good fare back to the airport.Other than rounding off the meter fare so as not to end up with a lots of nickels and dimes in your pocket, tipping a cabbie is not customary in Thailand. A friendly smile and an honest "thank you" still go a long way in Thailand.
Other than rounding off the meter fare so as not to end up with a lots of nickels and dimes in your pocket, tipping a cabbie is not customary in Thailand. A friendly smile and an honest "thank you" still go a long way in Thailand.Never paid more then 400 bath for airport to BKK city sukhumvit area.
Cheers,
Rolo
Thanks for the remarks. Most appreciated. I will definitely take a taxi to and from the airport.
In my first question, I was wondering primarily if I should stay in a hotel close to either Nana (NEP) or Soil Cowboy (SC) so as to minimize the walking distance for a girl I might bring back. The consensus is that it shouldn't matter, since for the comfort of the girl who may be wearing heels, I should always use a taxi, thus making the distance irrelevant.
A follow up question arises, and I am aware that there may be some debate and disagreement, is:
For a Thailand newbie, should their first visit be to the NEP or to SC?
In my research going back a few years here and there, the consensus has oscillated as to which is the best overall place, with many today saying they are both bad. Note: I am not to mongering. I am a senior member in the USA section and have spent many hours in Pahrump and Carson City. But mongering in Thailand is different! I have to assume that for a first timer one place may be slightly less overwhelming than the other.
Factors that might come into consideration are the type of girl I would be looking for (18-28, upper end of the looks scale, tight and toned); where there are fewer LBs to have to worry about; where there may be less harassment from the girls, bouncers, mamasan's, etc; where there is less risk of scamming; where there might be some expats to seek refuge with; etc.
I do plan on exploring both areas, and which ever place I visit the first night I would visit the other the next night, so perhaps it is not a big deal.
FYI, my tentative arrival date into BKK will be around April 15.
Somewhere15
02-20-15, 00:52
Thanks for the remarks. Most appreciated. I will definitely take a taxi to and from the airport.
In my first question, I was wondering primarily if I should stay in a hotel close to either Nana (NEP) or Soil Cowboy (SC) so as to minimize the walking distance for a girl I might bring back. The consensus is that it shouldn't matter, since for the comfort of the girl who may be wearing heels, I should always use a taxi, thus making the distance irrelevant.
A follow up question arises, and I am aware that there may be some debate and disagreement, is:
For a Thailand newbie, should their first visit be to the NEP or to SC?
In my research going back a few years here and there, the consensus has oscillated as to which is the best overall place, with many today saying they are both bad. Note: I am not to mongering. I am a senior member in the USA section and have spent many hours in Pahrump and Carson City. But mongering in Thailand is different! I have to assume that for a first timer one place may be slightly less overwhelming than the other.
Factors that might come into consideration are the type of girl I would be looking for (18-28, upper end of the looks scale, tight and toned); where there are fewer LBs to have to worry about; where there may be less harassment from the girls, bouncers, mamasan's, etc; where there is less risk of scamming; where there might be some expats to seek refuge with; etc.
I do plan on exploring both areas, and which ever place I visit the first night I would visit the other the next night, so perhaps it is not a big deal.
FYI, my tentative arrival date into BKK will be around April 15.Don't forget to take you paincoat with you.
Thanks for the remarks. Most appreciated. I will definitely take a taxi to and from the airport.
In my first question, I was wondering primarily if I should stay in a hotel close to either Nana (NEP) or Soil Cowboy (SC) so as to minimize the walking distance for a girl I might bring back. The consensus is that it shouldn't matter, since for the comfort of the girl who may be wearing heels, I should always use a taxi, thus making the distance irrelevant.
A follow up question arises, and I am aware that there may be some debate and disagreement, is:
For a Thailand newbie, should their first visit be to the NEP or to SC?
In my research going back a few years here and there, the consensus has oscillated as to which is the best overall place, with many today saying they are both bad. Note: I am not to mongering. I am a senior member in the USA section and have spent many hours in Pahrump and Carson City. But mongering in Thailand is different! I have to assume that for a first timer one place may be slightly less overwhelming than the other.
Factors that might come into consideration are the type of girl I would be looking for (18-28, upper end of the looks scale, tight and toned); where there are fewer LBs to have to worry about; where there may be less harassment from the girls, bouncers, mamasan's, etc; where there is less risk of scamming; where there might be some expats to seek refuge with; etc.
I do plan on exploring both areas, and which ever place I visit the first night I would visit the other the next night, so perhaps it is not a big deal.
FYI, my tentative arrival date into BKK will be around April 15.NEP and SC are within walking distance of each other, or, if you prefer to use the BTS, they are on adjacent stops. It doesn't matter where you stay in lower Suk, they will both be readily accessible.
IMHO you'll be hard pressed to find lots of 18-28 tight toned long-haired beauties. But maybe you enjoy the hunt. There are a lot fewer LBs in SC. NEP is probably 50% LB. Maybe not, but it does seem that way at times. NEP has something like 5 LB bars, SC has one. There is no place free of scams. Don't worry about bouncers unless you intend to get drunk and make a spectacle of yourself. Expats to hang out with may be a problem. Fewer and fewer expats hang out at go-go bars, so you'll probably have to start looking in the smaller venues, beer bars, etc. You can try striking up a conversation with the farang at the adjacent table, although that is really hit and miss. SC is no longer the quiet soi, full of expat-supported watering holes, that it once was.
If you must come in mid-April, either come before Songkran, so you can get situated and then enjoy the fiasco (everybody should experience it once). Or, wait until after the 15th when things get back to normal.
Factors that might come into consideration are the type of girl I would be looking for (18-28, upper end of the looks scale, tight and toned); where there are fewer LBs to have to worry about; where there may be less harassment from the girls, bouncers, mamasan's, etc; where there is less risk of scamming; where there might be some expats to seek refuge with; etc.
I do plan on exploring both areas, and which ever place I visit the first night I would visit the other the next night, so perhaps it is not a big deal.
FYI, my tentative arrival date into BKK will be around April 15.Rainbow4 in NEP and Baccara in Soi Cowboy might be the places for you to look for your desired girls.
Don't worry too much about LBs. They have separate bars in NEP and Soi Cowboy, you won't find them mixed in with the girls like in Patpong.
It's indeed not a big deal which area you visit first.
And about arriving around April 15: just google 'Songkran' and then reschedule your flight, LOL! You don't want to be there then, at least that's my opinion.
ConquerorVal
02-20-15, 05:11
One is never too old to repeat same mistakes. After 24 hour voyage to Bangkok I decided to get shitfaced on Thai whiskey. Because of the proximity of my hotel to the Nana entertainment complex, I did not have to go far. Somehow, I managed to miss the plaza and pick up a girl on the street. Best to my recollection she was in her early 20's, had a great firm body with a bush and thicker thighs. I did not see an ounce of fat on her. Unfortunately, the alcohol interfered with a happy ending. My second day was much better. Decided to walk to soi Cowboy and check out Suzi Wong go go bar to see some nudity. I was surprised at the number of nice looking girls and bodies. Everybody was nice including the mamasan. I bought her a drink and she gave me a hand massage while the girl of my choosing was massaging Mr. Johnson and she was proudly showing the results of her handy work. The lesbian show was outstanding. I picked a bleached blonde whose name sounded like a T. This girl provided excellent service and a GF experience. I was impressed by the number of good looking girls on the soi. Overall, a pretty decent couple of days.
Hi everyone,
This is the fifth post of my "Checking BJ Bars" series. Here's the link to the previous posts:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1682125#post1682125.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1682476#post1682476.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1682902#post1682902.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1683656#post1683656.
One early afternoon, around 1:15 PM, I was just out of Bamboo Massage after a 2-hour adventurous 3-shot experience, feeling kinda empty and numb, and the idea of making a visit to Som's Haven suddenly came into my mind. "Well! Why not?" I told myself and headed toward Soi 14. In a matter of minutes, I was right at their doors. Line-up of four girls outside, all enjoying their lunch except one. And all of them were kinda young and cute. And yes! Two of them were spinner type. Chose the girl named "M", who seemed to have finished her lunch a little earlier and we went upstairs together. Upstairs, at first glance, reminded me of Dr. BJ's. There was a corridor with a few doors on the left side opening to the BJ private rooms / cubicles. No surprises that I was the only customer in the venue at that time of the day.
So, we went to one of the rooms. Room, IMHO, was actually better decorated than those of Dr. BJ's and it had a small washing sink separated from the room by a small curtain. Soon, the initial greetings and cleanings were done and the BJ part started. Not bad! A very little amount of teeth involved but was not a turn-off at all. 10 minutes passed and I was not even close to the finishing point but the girl started to get a little uncomfortable. She started complaining about the pain in her neck (kinda neck arthritis which might be a possible defect of this job in the long run) and I could see in her face that she was right about it. So, I started to massage her neck using my medical massaging skills trying to relieve her pain while she was proceeding with her job. In a few minutes, her neck was in pain again, so, I asked her to stop and we switched to boom boom. Condom on and we started the job. First, face-to-face, with me sitting and her trying to ride me, but soon we switched to doggy and the missionary and went on with it to the end. Man! I was totally out of energy. We hugged each other for a while and then we cleaned ourselves, put on the cloths, and went downstairs.
Downstairs, I saw a lady behind the bar, which, I guess, was Som herself. 1200 THB to the bar and 300 THB tip to the girl and I said goodbye and left the place.
All in all, good experience. Nice and clean place, Small but quality line-up, and friendly behavior are what I liked from my experience. On the downside, girl's neck pain killed off part of my mood which she made up for in the boom-boom part, and IMHO, the type and placement of sofas in the room was not ideal for sex at all.
Wolvenvacht
02-20-15, 08:19
Factors that might come into consideration are the type of girl I would be looking for (18-28, upper end of the looks scale, tight and toned); where there are fewer LBs to have to worry about; where there may be less harassment from the girls, bouncers, mamasan's, etc; where there is less risk of scamming; where there might be some expats to seek refuge with; etc.
I do plan on exploring both areas, and which ever place I visit the first night I would visit the other the next night, so perhaps it is not a big deal.
FYI, my tentative arrival date into BKK will be around April 15.In my experience, Soi Cowboy is more laid back, less hustling for ladydrinks (except in Afterschool bar) and less ladyboys (except of course in the Cock-a-too club). But by all means, explore both areas.
As to age and beauty of the girls, there is something for all tastes in both areas. I have always had good service from the somewhat less young and anyhow, if she looks 25 she is probably 30 (at least).
My best fare from Tulip to Lat Krabang was 160 baht. I was stunned. My worst was 370 baht from lat krabang to Annies. Meter the first time, fixed rate the second time.
Never paid more then 400 bath for airport to BKK city sukhumvit area.
Cheers,
Rolo
Thanks for the remarks. Most appreciated. I will definitely take a taxi to and from the airport.
In my first question, I was wondering primarily if I should stay in a hotel close to either Nana (NEP) or Soil Cowboy (SC) so as to minimize the walking distance for a girl I might bring back. The consensus is that it shouldn't matter, since for the comfort of the girl who may be wearing heels, I should always use a taxi, thus making the distance irrelevant.
A follow up question arises, and I am aware that there may be some debate and disagreement, is:
For a Thailand newbie, should their first visit be to the NEP or to SC?
In my research going back a few years here and there, the consensus has oscillated as to which is the best overall place, with many today saying they are both bad. Note: I am not to mongering. I am a senior member in the USA section and have spent many hours in Pahrump and Carson City. But mongering in Thailand is different! I have to assume that for a first timer one place may be slightly less overwhelming than the other.
Factors that might come into consideration are the type of girl I would be looking for (18-28, upper end of the looks scale, tight and toned); where there are fewer LBs to have to worry about; where there may be less harassment from the girls, bouncers, mamasan's, etc; where there is less risk of scamming; where there might be some expats to seek refuge with; etc.
I do plan on exploring both areas, and which ever place I visit the first night I would visit the other the next night, so perhaps it is not a big deal.
FYI, my tentative arrival date into BKK will be around April 15.Do both in any order. It makes no difference, but if LB's worry you, there are fewer in SC.
My advice is to reschedule so you miss Songkran.
Johnie.
Thanks for the remarks. Most appreciated. I will definitely take a taxi to and from the airport.
In my first question, I was wondering primarily if I should stay in a hotel close to either Nana (NEP) or Soil Cowboy (SC) so as to minimize the walking distance for a girl I might bring back. The consensus is that it shouldn't matter, since for the comfort of the girl who may be wearing heels, I should always use a taxi, thus making the distance irrelevant.
A follow up question arises, and I am aware that there may be some debate and disagreement, is:
For a Thailand newbie, should their first visit be to the NEP or to SC?
In my research going back a few years here and there, the consensus has oscillated as to which is the best overall place, with many today saying they are both bad. Note: I am not to mongering. I am a senior member in the USA section and have spent many hours in Pahrump and Carson City. But mongering in Thailand is different! I have to assume that for a first timer one place may be slightly less overwhelming than the other.
Factors that might come into consideration are the type of girl I would be looking for (18-28, upper end of the looks scale, tight and toned); where there are fewer LBs to have to worry about; where there may be less harassment from the girls, bouncers, mamasan's, etc; where there is less risk of scamming; where there might be some expats to seek refuge with; etc.
I do plan on exploring both areas, and which ever place I visit the first night I would visit the other the next night, so perhaps it is not a big deal.
FYI, my tentative arrival date into BKK will be around April 15.Your Hotel can be anywhere reasonably close. Some girls do not like to go very far at all. So no more than 2 kilometres. Yes Take a taxi to go to Hotel unless its only 60 metres away.
It's best to look in several bars, and decide what you like, yourself. In Nana I would look Rainbow 4, Candyland 2 (I know a very toned girl there that performs), Spankies, and Angel Witch.
At Cowboy, look in Crazy House, Long Gun, Suzie Wong, Doll House, Tilac, Sharks, Baccara. The first 4 listed will have complete nudity at times, which is why I prefer them. I don't actually like Sharks or Bacarra as there is too much fake noses, fake tits, etc. Girls don't even look particularly Thai with all the alterations. There is a shortage of toned girls in Suzi Wong and Doll House. A few too many fatties, but some okay.
Sometimes its more about having favourite girls rather than favourite bars. Start in bars early. Good girls get booked early.
TwoTimeTed
02-22-15, 17:34
Hi, all, new guy here.
I am hoping to get to Thailand in the latter half of April, spending time in BKK, Phuket and Pattaya.
I would prefer to stay near a BTS station due to hauling luggage around. I would probably have one largish bag and a backpack. I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to haul stuff down Sukhumvit to a hotel. I can deal with taxis, but being a nube, I would rather avoid them to the extent possible, at least until I get comfortable with the area.
ThanksIf you are traveling light "one largish bag and a backpack" which you are, I would take the airport rail link (train). It costs 45 baht, less than $2 USD. But it also depends what time you are arriving in BKK, the airport train starts at 6 am to midnight.
At the airport after you get out of customs / immigration, you take the escalators down below like everyone else, then go one level below the street and that's where the train is. There is not a lot of people when you get on, you get your choice seat.
You take that train and head for Makkasan Station. At Makkasan station, you can get a taxi for a very short ride to either Nana or Soi Cowboy area. Yes that airport rail will get crowded as the train makes it's stops, but you got on at the beginning so, you have a seat.
That's what I did, wasn't hard at all and saved my money for the chicks.
http://www.suvarnabhumiairport.com/en/121-airport-rail-link
You take that train and head for Makkasan Station. At Makkasan station, you can get a taxi for a very short ride to either Nana or Soi Cowboy area.
That's what I did, wasn't hard at all and saved my money for the chicks.
http://www.suvarnabhumiairport.com/en/121-airport-rail-linkThe 'very short ride' depends on what exit you depart makkassan station and where you get the taxi. Though as many here have said: the taxi fare is 10 dollars. Are you really going to want to after a long plane ride put yourself through this aggravation to save a hundred or so baht.
You take that train and head for Makkasan Station. At Makkasan station, you can get a taxi for a very short ride to either Nana or Soi Cowboy area. Yes that airport rail will get crowded as the train makes it's stops, but you got on at the beginning so, you have a seat.
That's what I did, wasn't hard at all and saved my money for the chicks.
How much exactly are you saving? 45 baht for the train to Makkasan station but how much was the taxi? 100 baht? I know you can grab the subway for around 20 baht but you've got to stand in line with your luggage to get a ticket (assuming you don't have one of those automatic cards yet). Its around 500 baht for a taxi from the airport directly to your hotel, you can close your eyes and take a nap if your tired after a long flight. Saving 400 baht isn't worth the extra effort after i've been on a ten hour flight. And im guessing you might ask the taxi driver to swing by a 7-11 on the way into town if your thirsty.
This is quite disturbing. Anyone experienced this?
http://time.com/3674200/thailand-tourism-police-corruption-shakedown-extortion/
How much exactly are you saving? 45 baht for the train to Makkasan station but how much was the taxi? 100 baht? I know you can grab the subway for around 20 baht but you've got to stand in line with your luggage to get a ticket (assuming you don't have one of those automatic cards yet). Its around 500 baht for a taxi from the airport directly to your hotel, you can close your eyes and take a nap if your tired after a long flight. Saving 400 baht isn't worth the extra effort after i've been on a ten hour flight. And im guessing you might ask the taxi driver to swing by a 7-11 on the way into town if your thirsty.I agree. I once took the train after a long flight. Was travelling light but tired. Couldn't get a seat as I boarded as it ws about to leave but then when I got off to let someone else out I stumbled, and my leg slipped through the gap between train and platform (mind the gap indeed). Damn near broke my leg. I always take a taxi now. I judge whether to take a regular can from the queue or an AOT taxi depending on queues at passport (an indicator of people queuing for taxis after baggage claim), my degree of tiredness (am I going to get angry waiting in a queue) and who is paying (I. E. Am I on a business rip where company pays).
But basically even if it's a private trip I am not going to scrimp on taxi fare to spoil my mood).
This is quite disturbing. Anyone experienced this?
http://time.com/3674200/thailand-tourism-police-corruption-shakedown-extortion/From this article it sounds like the shakedowns are becoming less frequent.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/learning/learning-from-news/458810/bangkok-tourist-shakedown-police-harrassment-video
TwoTimeTed
02-22-15, 22:45
Speaking of Nana, I got my Deaf notch under my belt (sort of like getting your red wings).
I banged out 2 deaf girls. They hover across from the Nana Plaza in the Nana parking lot on the right side-entrance to Nana Hotel parking lot.
Better to have your Google translator handy!
Never paid more then 400 bath for airport to BKK city sukhumvit area.
RoloSo when getting a taxi at the airport, does one negotiate with the driver to get this approx 400 BHT rate, thus ignoring the meter in that case, or is this approx 400 BHT rate what the meter (less fares) will typically yield when you arrive? And, if negotiating for a fixed rate, what if the driver refuses or demands 500? Do I go to the next taxi in the queue and try to get a better deal?
This is quite disturbing. Anyone experienced this?
http://time.com/3674200/thailand-tourism-police-corruption-shakedown-extortion/I have a place in the Asoke Area (Soi 19/ Sukhumvit) and have never been harassed. Yet.
http://www.stickboybangkok.com/news/new-thonglor-police-chief-orders-end-searches/
From this article it sounds like the shakedowns are becoming less frequent.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/learning/learning-from-news/458810/bangkok-tourist-shakedown-police-harrassment-videoIts unlikely they're telling the whole story.
http://index.rsf.org/#index-details.
So when getting a taxi at the airport, does one negotiate with the driver to get this approx 400 BHT rate, thus ignoring the meter in that case, or is this approx 400 BHT rate what the meter (less fares) will typically yield when you arrive? And, if negotiating for a fixed rate, what if the driver refuses or demands 500? Do I go to the next taxi in the queue and try to get a better deal?You will go to the Taxi queue on the 2nd (floor. You will tell the lady at the desk (the dispatcher) where you're going, she'll write it down and give it to the driver. She'll give you a copy. Keep it, as it has the driver's number, etc. , on it, should you have any problems. She may remind you that you have to pay for the expressway tolls. If she doesn't, the driver will. You can't go to the next taxi, etc. , as the dispatcher assigns your taxi to you.
You do not need to negotiate with the driver. He'll use the meter in almost every case because he wants to keep his "airport privileges. " As you leave, make sure he turns on the meter. If he doesn't, for some reason, remind him. If, for some reason, you have a streak of bad luck and get a recalcitrant driver, don't get excited. Tell him you'll give him 500 baht, not a satang more, and he pays the tolls. But don't sweat it. I don't think I've ever had a problem with taxis who picked me up at the airport.
Now taxis going to the airport can be another story.
MichaelSamuel
02-23-15, 07:14
I was in Bangkok in Nov and Jan. Nov took the local train and MRT both ways, but was at T21 so was only 1 stop on the MRT. However I was only flying in / out inter-asia and both times was transiting to / from the airport at rush hour.
In January took cabs both ways. Cab queue was empty and got from the airport to T21 in under 20 minutes which after 21 hours of travel was priceless. My conclusion from both these trips? Either travel option works but not worth taking the train just for the savings, but maybe worth it with light baggage and traffic considerations. Once the express train gets back up the running the time savings would also be a factor. One more thing to consider the walk from the train to the MRT isn't short so if you don't have roller bags this really may not be worth it unless you are looking for exercise.
I agree. I once took the train after a long flight. Was travelling light but tired. Couldn't get a seat as I boarded as it ws about to leave but then when I got off to let someone else out I stumbled, and my leg slipped through the gap between train and platform (mind the gap indeed). Damn near broke my leg. I always take a taxi now. I judge whether to take a regular can from the queue or an AOT taxi depending on queues at passport (an indicator of people queuing for taxis after baggage claim), my degree of tiredness (am I going to get angry waiting in a queue) and who is paying (I. E. Am I on a business rip where company pays).
But basically even if it's a private trip I am not going to scrimp on taxi fare to spoil my mood).
Wolvenvacht
02-23-15, 08:22
So when getting a taxi at the airport, does one negotiate with the driver to get this approx 400 BHT rate, thus ignoring the meter in that case, or is this approx 400 BHT rate what the meter (less fares) will typically yield when you arrive? And, if negotiating for a fixed rate, what if the driver refuses or demands 500? Do I go to the next taxi in the queue and try to get a better deal?Within Bangkok always use the meter. Every time a cabbie suggested a "fixed fee" it turned out the meter was cheaper. When I travel with my Thai GF, the cabbies don't even think of suggesting a fixed fee, which proves that this is a "newbie tourist scam" thing.
If you are traveling light "one largish bag and a backpack" which you are, I would take the airport rail link (train). It costs 45 baht, less than $2 USD. But it also depends what time you are arriving in BKK, the airport train starts at 6 am to midnight.
At the airport after you get out of customs / immigration, you take the escalators down below like everyone else, then go one level below the street and that's where the train is. There is not a lot of people when you get on, you get your choice seat.
You take that train and head for Makkasan Station. At Makkasan station, you can get a taxi for a very short ride to either Nana or Soi Cowboy area. Yes that airport rail will get crowded as the train makes it's stops, but you got on at the beginning so, you have a seat.
That's what I did, wasn't hard at all and saved my money for the chicks.
http://www.suvarnabhumiairport.com/en/121-airport-rail-linkDon't go to Makkasan station but go to the final destination Phaya Thai. There you can change to the BTS in the direction of Bearing which stops at both Nana and Asok.
So to summarize:
Take the airport rail link to Phaya Thai for 45 Baht.
Walk to the BTS station which is only a 5 minute stroll and you don't have to climb any stairs (there are escalators).
Take the BTS in the direction of Bearing and get off at Nana, Asok or where ever you're staying in the Sukhumvit area.
The BTS to Nana is only 31 baht. Asok will be a few baht more.
All in all it takes about 45 to 60 minutes at the most.
This is quite disturbing. Anyone experienced this?http://time.com/3674200/thailand-tourism-police-corruption-shakedown-extortion/Old news. You're referencing a near month old article. But remember Thailand is currently under Martial Law, so anything can happen.
From this article it sounds like the shakedowns are becoming less frequent.http://www.bangkokpost.com/learning/learning-from-news/458810/bangkok-tourist-shakedown-police-harrassment-videoThere was an uproar after vids posted online. Some high ranking police official reported to news that it was not sanctioned, and told what steps to take if it should occur. (Get Officers names, badge numbers.) After that, it stopped. Since then, I have not seen any further reports of this occurring.
I have a place in the Asoke Area (Soi 19/ Sukhumvit) and have never been harassed. Yet.http://www.stickboybangkok.com/news/new-thonglor-police-chief-orders-end-searches/I've been back on Sukhumvit Rd several times, at all hours, and have not seen any police officers in the area.
Paul Kausch
02-23-15, 18:11
You will go to the Taxi queue on the 2nd (floor. You will tell the lady at the desk (the dispatcher) where you're going, she'll write it down and give it to the driver.When I arrived at BKK in early December the desks with attendants had been removed and there was a machine with a uniformed man standing next to the machine. He asked me the name of my hotel, punched some button, the machine printed a ticket which he handed to me.
When I arrived at BKK in early December the desks with attendants had been removed and there was a machine with a uniformed man standing next to the machine. He asked me the name of my hotel, punched some button, the machine printed a ticket which he handed to me.I like this solution better. But if you're staying in some obscure hotel, I wonder if the system works, or does one have to get 12 people involved, debating the hotel's location. LOL. I'll find out in April.
I like this solution better. But if you're staying in some obscure hotel, I wonder if the system works, or does one have to get 12 people involved, debating the hotel's location. LOL. I'll find out in April.That system does not require or state name of the hotel on the printed ticket at all. I still have no clue where the ticket is for other than it states that you have to pay a 50 bt surcharge where those beggars in their new 2 LTR Toyota's request for 100 bt surcharge and are reluctant to use the meter. No problem for me being with a Thai GF, but as a tourist it might cause a lot of troubles.
Member #4387
02-24-15, 04:58
That system does not require or state name of the hotel on the printed ticket at all. I still have no clue where the ticket is for other than it states that you have to pay a 50 bt surcharge where those beggars in their new 2 LTR Toyota's request for 100 bt surcharge and are reluctant to use the meter. No problem for me being with a Thai GF, but as a tourist it might cause a lot of troubles.You are right about the automated taxi arrangements. On my latest arrivals into BKK it has worked smoothly and I admit I have never ever even looked at the reciept handed out by the staff (not even when the old system was there). I can not see the reason for actually having any staff bcs last time a couple a weeks ago I don't think I said anything, she pressed the screen and woah I got the token directing me to the correct taxistand (nr 7). In most cases for a long time now I just say 500 to the driver and they have all taken the freeway towards the sukhumvit exit and as far as I remember no one has made any attempts to ask me to pay the tolls. Smooth.
By the way I see some state they just go to departure level to grab a taxi. How do guys do that nowadays as they have blocked the access with only one way moving barriers (from the taxi drop and into the terminal)? Even some guards stand close by (only my observation when I left 2 mondays ago). Maybe airport authorities try to prevent this from happening.
About two months ago I went up the escalator and into the back bar on the right and was surrounded by beautiful girls. After closer attention I noticed one that was making a move on me was a LB. They are mixed in. If you don't think about it you may not notice. 1. Listen to the voice. If it sounds like an imitation of a girl then it is.
Rainbow4 in NEP and Baccara in Soi Cowboy might be the places for you to look for your desired girls.
Don't worry too much about LBs. They have separate bars in NEP and Soi Cowboy, you won't find them mixed in with the girls like in Patpong.
It's indeed not a big deal which area you visit first.
And about arriving around April 15: just google 'Songkran' and then reschedule your flight, LOL! You don't want to be there then, at least that's my opinion..
Went to Dr BJ Salon and met the and L. Wow what a team. They knew how to work together. Won't go into much details but they are a great team. Miss them already.
IllusionHeart
02-24-15, 19:52
February 14 (Day 1: Saturday)
I had booked Hotel Mermaid, Soi 29 this time for my 2 day stay. I reached and was provided an early checkin. I had booked the Junior suite with balcony at cost of approx. 3100 baht per day. Room was very spacious and so was the bedroom. Small balcony with nice view of Soi 22 and the BTS.
Staff was extremely friendly. Daytime security guy was very helpful as hes the porter as well. Nighttime was an old guy and no hassle. I walked in with girls on both nights and No I'd was asked from them. They did have a register kept near the security guards desk if someone wants to be careful.
Session 1: Afternoon.
Girl through Wechat. ST 2000 + 100 baht tip, service was average. Had gained much more weight compared to her pics. Decent sex in 2 positions. CBJ. A sized breats. Name was Fon, reminded me of the girl I was to meet later in Pattaya. She later disclosed that she worked in Sensation Massage in Soi 19 and can see her pic listed there. Overall experience 4/10.
In retrospect I should have gone to Snowhite or Addict as per my original plan.
Session 2: Night.
I took stroll in Soi cowboy, looked very slow, must be due to Valentines night that most of the girls would be with their sweethearts. Cowboy 2, Sharks, Tilac didn't just have anyone I was looking for. I decided to skip the gogo scene for the day.
I was walking back thinking of catching a good night sleep but my legs took me to Soi 33, Dali. I was thinking I would maybe find the girl from last trip and barfine her and have a beer at the worst as it was barely 11 pm.
5 girls in total, clicked with Fern, seemed to be the youngest and good looking. Bar fine was 1000 baht, ST was 3000 baht, expensive. Girl was a snogger and lot of tongue play, BBBJ, A sized breasts. Amazing slender body without any stretch marks. Sex was good with soft moaning from her. Unfortunately she had to leave for a party with her friends being Valentines night. She was off the next day at work so this was going to be the only experience for me with her for some time now. I have got her digits and will hold onto till my next visit. Overall 8/10.
February 15 (Day 2: Sunday)
Session 1: Afternoon.
Snowwhite, opted for 1 hour massage and picked Golf basis the smile. Paid 1500 + 400 + 200 baht tip. Service was good. She offered me CIM but I was not interested. Good tongue play. Though she licked my balls she only offered CBJ. Be sized saggy breasts. Sex was good with WOT, Miss and doggy. She wanted to get me ready for the second one but I need time in between hence was done with her. Good attitude. Overall experience 6. 5/10.
Session 2: Night.
I started with a walk in Soi 22, nothing caught my fancy, pretty quiet. I could hear the music playing from the corner bars till late in the night when I went out in the Balcony for a smoke. Continued to walk towards Nana, went to Beer Garden on Soi 7 but nothing interesting. I went to Soi cowboy stopped at Sharks, not many girls. The Mamasans were up and dancing on the stage. I got out and checked for any talent in the street bars which were just being set up but nothing interesting.
I returned to soi 29 and thought must check out 22 again if things had changed. I responded to the cat calls from the front bar at the Queens Entertainment plaza. Lady drink to an Isaan girl named Paew, slightly mature but she was smiling and I liked it. Bar fined her, 600 baht, ST 2000. Took her to Hotel, she kissed well had a decent but matured body, must be 2 or more kids I guessed, A sized breast. I fingered her and got her slightly aroused. I asked her to go down on me but she refused. I thought maybe BBBJ was a problem so I asked her to get the condom. She refused and told me she didn't do BJs. This was a first for me in Thailand. I lost my wood and was no longer in mood to continue. Igot up paid her and got her to leave. I went to bed thinking my next 3 days in pattaya would be much better.
The Mamasans were up and dancing on the stage. That must have been an awful sight given the average looks of mamasans. Did you get over it by now? LOL!
IllusionHeart
02-25-15, 16:40
That must have been an awful sight given the average looks of mamasans. Did you get over it by now? LOL!LOL. I was dumbstruck for some time but when they started asking me to buy LDs for them I got back to senses and found the exit. I did bear their torture until I finished my beer.
I am sure you can visualize them on stage in the sailor uniforms and round and hefty bodies trying to gather up some dance steps with serious help from the poles....
JesseJames
02-25-15, 20:19
February 14 (Day 1: Saturday)
I thought must check out 22 again if things had changed. I responded to the cat calls from the front bar at the Queens Entertainment plaza. Lady drink to an Isaan girl named Paew, slightly mature but she was smiling and I liked it. Bar fined her, 600 baht, ST 2000. Took her to Hotel, she kissed well had a decent but matured body, must be 2 or more kids I guessed, A sized breast. I fingered her and got her slightly aroused. I asked her to go down on me but she refused. I thought maybe BBBJ was a problem so I asked her to get the condom. She refused and told me she didn't do BJs. This was a first for me in Thailand. I lost my wood and was no longer in mood to continue. Igot up paid her and got her to leave. I went to bed thinking my next 3 days in pattaya would be much better.The bars in Queens Plaza are done, put a fork in it. 660 is a heavy barfine and 2000 is ridiculous for a no BJ. She must have gone back to the bar an spent the evening laughing about you. You should have given her a fraction and said bye bye. Horrible cheating bars, chicks and owners. Washington Square is no more and neither is Queens Plaza. That's the past.
That must have been an awful sight given the average looks of mamasans. Did you get over it by now? LOL!Even they need some lovin. 5555.
Paul Kausch
02-26-15, 03:19
That must have been an awful sight given the average looks of mamasans. Did you get over it by now? LOL!
Even they need some lovin. 5555.I make a point of being nice to the mamasans. If one of them approaches me after I've been sitting for a while and asks if I want to BF a girl, often I ask the mamasan if she'd like to sit with me and have an LD. I'll flirt with her a little and then tell her what kind of girl I'm looking for and ask who she recommends. She'll point out a girl and ask if I like her. If I say yes she'll call the girl over. Usually the mamasan will stay for a while after the girl comes over. When I offer to buy the girl an LD I might ask the mamasan if she's like another drink. If I really liked the girl and go back to BF her on another night, I'll find the mamasan, though usually she'll already have found me, and slip her 100 baht, with a thank you. Frankly, I don't know if all of this is necessary. Maybe I'd get a good recommendation regardless, but I'm pleased with the recommendations I get and just like the girls remember a good tipper, many of the bar staff remember me the next time I come in. As an example, I did this in Rainbow 1 in June 2014 and got an excellent recommendation. When I went back in late November some of the staff recognized me and made me feel very welcome.
IllusionHeart
02-26-15, 04:30
The bars in Queens Plaza are done, put a fork in it. 660 is a heavy barfine and 2000 is ridiculous for a no BJ. She must have gone back to the bar an spent the evening laughing about you. You should have given her a fraction and said bye bye. Horrible cheating bars, chicks and owners. Washington Square is no more and neither is Queens Plaza. That's the past.Jesse, completely agree with you that I should have paid her half but I had lost my mood and wood. Just wanted her out. Being first experience mind was not working properly at that time. But will surely be smarter next time if it happens.
FYI: March 4th is Makha Bucha day, a national holiday, which celebrates the first sermon of the Buddha to his disciples. I'm not sure if all bars, gogos, gentlemens clubs and Discos in Bangkok will be closed. (They are in Pattaya.) No liquor sales at your favorite 7-11 either.
http://www.thaiblognews.com/2015/02/24/thailands-pms-office-sets-dates-banning-alcohol-sales/
Mumbai Guy
02-26-15, 18:37
Also avoid to travel between April 13 to 15. It's Songkran festival (Thai new year) and all bars and gogos are closed.
FYI: March 4th is Makha Bucha day, a national holiday, which celebrates the first sermon of the Buddha to his disciples. I'm not sure if all bars, gogos, gentlemens clubs and Discos in Bangkok will be closed. (They are in Pattaya.) No liquor sales at your favorite 7-11 either.
http://www.thaiblognews.com/2015/02/24/thailands-pms-office-sets-dates-banning-alcohol-sales/
Wolvenvacht
02-26-15, 19:55
Also avoid to travel between April 13 to 15. It's Songkran festival (Thai new year) and all bars and gogos are closed.Who gave you that weird idea? I was in Soi Cowboy at Songkhran and all bars were in full swing as from the early afternoon. Same same for the massage shops in Sukhumvit Soi 23.
It is true that many girls go to the family upcountry but that still leaves enough girls to last you a lifetime of f*ing.
The atmosphere is different from the other days and it is more a holiday kind of thing, but rest assured that these girls will still go with you if they can make a quick buck.
Harry Dude
02-27-15, 17:50
Who gave you that weird idea? I was in Soi Cowboy at Songkhran and all bars were in full swing as from the early afternoon. Same same for the massage shops in Sukhumvit Soi 23.
It is true that many girls go to the family upcountry but that still leaves enough girls to last you a lifetime of f*ing.
The atmosphere is different from the other days and it is more a holiday kind of thing, but rest assured that these girls will still go with you if they can make a quick buck.Oh yes. BKK is OK during Songkran. I was there during Songkran last year, and suffered through the occasional annoying water fight, but apart from that I had an excellent time in Soi Cowboy, in the shops in the sub-Sois of Soi 22, in Queens Park Plaza, in the massage shops of Soi 23 - well pretty much everywhere.
Carpaccio18
02-27-15, 18:32
Went to BK couple of weeks ago. I was just a stopover for a single night, so I tried to make the best of it.
Early afternoon, I started out getting a real good full body oil massage in one of the more decent parlors (ie one that does not normally offer you a happy ending). The girl was in her late 20's, charming and laughing. I am sure she quite deliberately got her hands on my balls, and was just smiling when there was a bit of reaction. All good fun and nice way of increasing your appetite for mongering.
Anyhow, I had already set my mind on getting a BJ at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900), so showered after the massage I headed for Soi 8. [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) is located at the bottom of a side soi about 80 meters down Sukhomvit Soi 8. The line up average is (IMHO) a bit better and slightly younger than at Dr BJ, although Dr BJ have a few real babes. The girls sit outside in something resembling school uniforms, and it can feel a bit intimidating walking down there and deciding on a girl to take upstairs for a BJ. A tip for the first-timer is to look them over as you slowly walk towards the girls, mentally select the girl you want quickly, them simply smile and point at her as you walk to the entrance.
I decided on my treat for the afternoon and went upstairs with her. She was probably very early 20's, slim figure and a nice smile. There were nobody else upstairs, so we went to a free corner couch and drew the curtains. After getting a towel to sit on, the girl went into action. I had a very nice BBBJ with CIM, and she really knew her trade licking and stroking my balls and all.
After the session I went back to my hotel for a quick shower and change, then a nice thai dinner in Soi 11.
Feeling ready I made for Soi Cowboy to do the GoGos. Being a regular in BK, I much prefer Soi Cowboy to Nana Plaza. I started off walking down Cowboy to get a feel for the action, and decided just to have a peek inside Baccara at the end. Frankly this was mostly out of curiosity as they have had a recent rebuild. As usual, the lineup in Baccara had lots of pretty girls, and the mirrors on the floor of the stage revealed they are still not wearing any underwear under their short skirts. I noticed that quite a lot of the girls seemed to have had boob jobs done, silly cones all around. Anyway, I left quickly again as the girls in baccara typically will not give you the time of day unless you're Japanese, which I am not.
Next stop was Suzie Wong, which is normally one of my favorites. The shows were good and the girls get all naked, but it seems the quality of the lineup have deteriorated quite a lot at Suzie Wong. A year ago or so, there were packed with nice girls, but this time it was a low average. I got myself quite a few drinks in there, and was having fun talking and drinking with a couple of girls. I had no intention of taking them anywhere but they were fun nevertheless.
Getting slightly drunk I continued to Afterskool for a few beers. The girls were more in the mid to late 20's' in that place, but I got talking to a nice girl around 30 or so. After a while she offered me a BJ at the dirty boy corner at the end of the bar. Thats seemed like a rather odd thing to do in a crowded bar, but I did it anyway. Interesting experience having a BJ while drinking a beer.
Last stop of the evening was Tilac. Nice place and quite a few pretty girls. The girls also wear miniskirts with no underwear (as a concept) in there. So I sat having fun with a couple of girls, who repeatedly had show me they were indeed not wearing anything underneath. Funny thing was that every time I went to the mens room, I was escorted back and forth and not allowed to stop and gaze at the girls dancing on stage. But in the end I did the unthinkable and asked another girl from the stage to come to my table. She had a great body, nice ass and a pair of surprisingly large boobs for a thai girl. As well as a nice smile, so I couldn't resist. The girls I had been sitting with of course got a bit upset, but I tipped them a 1000 bht each which seemed to ease their pain a little. Anyhow, soon after I paid the bar fee for the "new" girl and left. After she had changed clothes, she was wearing a slim dress, and I could feel that she was wearing nothing underneath. I liked that.
Back in my hotel I got a good BBBJ and fucked her in several positions so I could admire her great body. Waking up early in the morning we had a second round after which I paid and sent her on her way back home.
StudBucket
02-27-15, 18:52
I make a point of being nice to the mamasans. If one of them approaches me after I've been sitting for a while and asks if I want to BF a girl, often I ask the mamasan if she'd like to sit with me and have an LD. I'll flirt with her a little and then tell her what kind of girl I'm looking for and ask who she recommends. She'll point out a girl and ask if I like her. If I say yes she'll call the girl over. Usually the mamasan will stay for a while after the girl comes over. When I offer to buy the girl an LD I might ask the mamasan if she's like another drink. If I really liked the girl and go back to BF her on another night, I'll find the mamasan, though usually she'll already have found me, and slip her 100 baht, with a thank you. Frankly, I don't know if all of this is necessary. Maybe I'd get a good recommendation regardless, but I'm pleased with the recommendations I get and just like the girls remember a good tipper, many of the bar staff remember me the next time I come in. As an example, I did this in Rainbow 1 in June 2014 and got an excellent recommendation. When I went back in late November some of the staff recognized me and made me feel very welcome.I think this is an excellent strategy (being nice and chatting to the mamasans and asking them for advice on girls if unsure). I have been in situations where I wanted to BF 2 girls, and the mamasan told me to go with 1 girl as she apparently had more popularity and was a better performer as per the clients. I also have bought the mamasan a LD on occasion, and was also able to negotiate a lower BF in a few situations where it was very expensive. But, I guess the LD offset the cost of the discount. All in all, the mamasans for the most part know which girls are good performers, have fewer complaints, and better attitudes so it does not hurt to befriend them and use them for certain situations.
Who gave you that weird idea? I was in Soi Cowboy at Songkhran and all bars were in full swing as from the early afternoon. Same same for the massage shops in Sukhumvit Soi 23.
It is true that many girls go to the family upcountry but that still leaves enough girls to last you a lifetime of f*ing.
The atmosphere is different from the other days and it is more a holiday kind of thing, but rest assured that these girls will still go with you if they can make a quick buck.I am hoping to get more clarity on the April 13-15 holiday thing. I am taking my friend to Thailand and this is his first trip, arriving Saturday and on to Vietnam on Tuesday. Hotel is paid for in full for the three days, non-refundable. Potentially we could flip weekends and fly to Vietnam straight away and spend the following weekend in Bangkok. Changing flights and the hotel booking is a bit of a hassle, but our plan is it see it all that Bangkok has to offer that weekend in a full swing, dance clubs, BJ bars, soapies, nana / soy / etc What do you think? I don't want to end up in anything like Christmas eve in the State type of situation.
And not sure what to make out of all the water throwing activities, doesn't sound like my cup of tea
http://www.bangkok.com/information-festivals/songkran.htm
TwoTimeTed
02-27-15, 21:46
I decided on my treat for the afternoon and went upstairs with her. She wa
Last stop of the evening was Tilac. Nice place and quite a few pretty girls. The girls also wear miniskirts with no underwear (as a concept) in there. So I sat having fun with a couple of girls, who repeatedly had show me they were indeed not wearing anything underneath. Funny thing was that every time I went to the mens room, I was escorted back and forth and not allowed to stop and gaze at the girls dancing on stage. But in the end I did the unthinkable and asked another girl from the stage to come to my table. She had a great body, nice ass and a pair of surprisingly large boobs for a thai girl. As well as a nice smile, so I couldn't resist. The girls I had been sitting with of course got a bit upset, but I tipped them a 1000 bht each which seemed to ease their pain a little. Anyhow, soon after I paid the bar fee for the "new" girl and left. After she had changed clothes, she was wearing a slim dress, and I could feel that she was wearing nothing underneath. I liked that.
Back in my hotel I got a good BBBJ and fucked her in several positions so I could admire her great body. Waking up early in the morning we had a second round after which I paid and sent her on her way back home.Your report was good, but you left out the most important part.
What was the barfine and what was the tip?
I am hoping to get more clarity on the April 13-15 holiday thing. I am taking my friend to Thailand and this is his first trip, arriving Saturday and on to Vietnam on Tuesday. Hotel is paid for in full for the three days, non-refundable. Potentially we could flip weekends and fly to Vietnam straight away and spend the following weekend in Bangkok. Changing flights and the hotel booking is a bit of a hassle, but our plan is it see it all that Bangkok has to offer that weekend in a full swing, dance clubs, BJ bars, soapies, nana / soy / etc What do you think? I don't want to end up in anything like Christmas eve in the State type of situation.
And not sure what to make out of all the water throwing activities, doesn't sound like my cup of tea
http://www.bangkok.com/information-festivals/songkran.htmMaybe this helps to make your decision: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0AIzwE-Tzo.
I frequent Bangkok Beat nightclub on SOI 7/1 as it is close to my apartment and they have several fun bands playing nightly. It is also a popular FL spot with many girls on most night. Nearly all will tell you they work for a salon. Not much imagination as you would think someone might say they work in an office environment for variety but virtually they all say salon when I ask their work.
I see many of the same girls night after night and some do quite well pulling at least one guy almost nightly. Two popular girls who I went with (and it was lousy) always seem to find a client. Sometimes, I feel like warning the guy. LOL.
However, there are some rare birds who come in there who are not on the clock. Last weekend, I met a girl towards closing time who had seen me there before. After dancing and hanging out for a while, she indicated that she wanted to go with me. I said OK but I have no money to pay you. This was partially true because my three prior experiences with girls here have been marginal at best and did not want to expend funds for another waste of time. Anyway, she agreed and devoured me in my apartment and again in the morning. Never asked for money when she left so found a freebie and one of the best shags so far in Bangkok. She is still texting me but not blowing up my phone. Funny, but says her occupation is with a salon too.
Wanting to hit all my bucket list items before leaving Bangkok, I perused the Nan street parking area a few nights ago. Most girls are not all that attractive and some LB's in mix though fairly obvious. However, I saw a nicely dressed and pretty girl so stopped to talk with her. Much to my surprise, she spoke excellent English as she told me that she used to work for a hotel in Chang Mai.
She said that she just came from Pattaya where her sister lives who is expecting a baby. I asked why she did not dance in go go etc. And said she preferred her independence. Quickly got down to business as she wanted 1500 bhat for ST. She offered kissing, DATY, BBBJ. And condom with FS. Liked her style and English command so off we went to my apartment. When we arrived, she complained about cleanliness of my apartment and washed my dishes after sex.
It was quite good and a real enthusiastic root. She enjoyed looking at herself at my full length mirror on closet doors next to bed. Great 69 and reverse sitting cowgirl admiring herself in mirror. Not a perfectly toned body and some indication of future cellulite but nice shaped breasts and very pretty. But it was nice to be able to communicate fully in English. Her stage name is Bella and sometimes she wears fashion braces.
Also, she told me an odd story that she had almost made enough money to buy a condo in Pattaya.
But was 300 K bhat short of her goal. Even showed me the photo of this condo she wants to purchase and compared my flooring to the flooring in this condo.
I see many of the same girls night after night and some do quite well pulling at least one guy almost nightly. Two popular girls who I went with (and it was lousy) always seem to find a client. Sometimes, I feel like warning the guy. LOL.
Do you warn them about the Ladyboys too? I saw one guy tongue kissing a LB. I am sure he knew though as someone told me he was a regular, and his normal GF was not there.
Your report was good, but you left out the most important part.
What was the barfine and what was the tip?The barfine is bound to be 700 baht as is normally the case. What he paid is not important because depends on his generosity which is very evident from the 1K tips.
I know a very nice girl who used to work Hot Lips and now at Tilac. Its probably a different girl. The good girls that are also pretty and good bodies can be worth following from one bar to another, since they are somewhat rare.
I am hoping to get more clarity on the April 13-15 holiday thing. I am taking my friend to Thailand and this is his first trip, arriving Saturday and on to Vietnam on Tuesday. Hotel is paid for in full for the three days, non-refundable. Potentially we could flip weekends and fly to Vietnam straight away and spend the following weekend in Bangkok. Changing flights and the hotel booking is a bit of a hassle, but our plan is it see it all that Bangkok has to offer that weekend in a full swing, dance clubs, BJ bars, soapies, nana / soy / etc What do you think? I don't want to end up in anything like Christmas eve in the State type of situation.
And not sure what to make out of all the water throwing activities, doesn't sound like my cup of tea
http://www.bangkok.com/information-festivals/songkran.htmSean, believe me, Bangkok or Pattaya during Songkran must be avoided at all costs. As a long term monger in the LOS I have decided never to be in town at this time. I just hate being hit with dirty water from a bucket or even a big water pistol while simply trying to go about my own business. Sometimes it is white powder as well that is thrown at you.
By far the most annoying aspect is the large number of farangs that join in believing that they are participating in the cultural life of the country. It's not their culture and they are just boosed up pains in the arse.
If you must be there at this time, carry nothing of value with you and try to spend as little time outdoors as possible. I think the bars hate this time as well as they must put plastic covers over their electronic devices such as TYs ets. Custmer numbers are also down for obvious reasons. Most expats leave town for the duration.
But, if it's the only time you have got to visit the LOS, I suppose it's better than not being there at all.
Happy mongering,
Johnie.
Carpaccio18
02-28-15, 11:20
Your report was good, but you left out the most important part.
What was the barfine and what was the tip?Barfine was 600 bht, which seem to be the going rate at Cowboy these days.
I paid her 3500 bht as a tip (ie. LT). Going rate is between 3000 and 4000 for long time.
A tip for people with less experience in BK: For the best GFE, shy away from girls who name a price already at the bar. You can be almost certain it will be a mechanical thing.
If you do ask them, and the answer is "up to you" and smile, then you have probably picked a winner. The best girls do, however, expect you to know the price and not talk about it.
Sean, believe me, Bangkok or Pattaya during Songkran must be avoided at all costs. As a long term monger in the LOS I have decided never to be in town at this time. I just hate being hit with dirty water from a bucket or even a big water pistol while simply trying to go about my own business. Sometimes it is white powder as well that is thrown at you.
By far the most annoying aspect is the large number of farangs that join in believing that they are participating in the cultural life of the country. It's not their culture and they are just boosed up pains in the arse.
If you must be there at this time, carry nothing of value with you and try to spend as little time outdoors as possible. I think the bars hate this time as well as they must put plastic covers over their electronic devices such as TYs ets. Custmer numbers are also down for obvious reasons. Most expats leave town for the duration.
But, if it's the only time you have got to visit the LOS, I suppose it's better than not being there at all.
Happy mongering,
Johnie.Songkhran- You either love it or hate it. I am in the latter camp. It is a great time for a trip out of Thailand.
Actually, I asked the Nana parking lot girl from today's report why she did not go there to find guys and she mumbled something about too many LB"s, though I never noticed all that many and did not fiully understand her comment. Maybe she thought I was talking about another place? However, they are there and I have seen a few. Well, they are everywhere in Bangkok.
Do you warn them about the Ladyboys too? I saw one guy tongue kissing a LB. I am sure he knew though as someone told me he was a regular, and his normal GF was not there.
Not sure if this is the forum or it should be in the Bangkok hotel section. But I have been making a search in both. I just registered to stay in the Hilton Sukhumvit for my upcoming stay. From what I read most of the Bangkok hotels are GF. Though I could not find something specific on the Hilton Sukhumvit.
Could one of the locals please confirm this Hilton is GF? Many thanks.
Also where could I find a map showing some of the local spots to visit. Nana, Bier Garten. Etc?
I read that the Sukhumvit are is the right place to be. Was I correct?
Many, Many thanks. I have been reading the pages of the forum, perhaps I missed this info.
Once again thanks!!
Not sure if this is the forum or it should be in the Bangkok hotel section. But I have been making a search in both. I just registered to stay in the Hilton Sukhumvit for my upcoming stay. From what I read most of the Bangkok hotels are GF. Though I could not find something specific on the Hilton Sukhumvit.
Could one of the locals please confirm this Hilton is GF? Many thanks.
Also where could I find a map showing some of the local spots to visit. Nana, Bier Garten. Etc?
I read that the Sukhumvit are is the right place to be. Was I correct?
Many, Many thanks. I have been reading the pages of the forum, perhaps I missed this info.
Once again thanks!!The Hilton Sukhumvit is a GF hotel. I stayed there twice during a December. January trip and had no issues.
FernandoAlonso
02-28-15, 14:40
Folks,
I realise this may sound like I am a total douchebag but I did RTFF and googled as much as what is possible living in a country where google is blocked. Still I made a promise and need rather short -term get to LOS with my GF.
Now my last visit is 20 years ago and my old strategy book a hotel for the first nights and then prolonge or find something else or move on seems to not work at all anymore. Most online provider require long time upfront booking and pre-payment?! Is it still possible to find decent hotels when you are onsite in Bangkok? And does this also apply for train tickets and hotels in other places like say Chiang Mai etc? Or are you completely fucked with outrageous walk in prices these days?
Any help would be appreciated also via PM. I will book a hotel near Siam Square / Sukhumvit to start with so I can use the BTS to sneak away for the mongering fun, so my only question is how to best book hotels / domestic flight or train tickets when you are already in Bangkok. Is there a good local travel site or reasonable travel agency? I just do not know what we will like to do and booking in advance from China has proven a nightmare.
Thanks for the help and if I manage to get fun FR is promised, check my posting history outside Thailand.
FA.
Wolvenvacht
02-28-15, 15:32
Folks,
I realise this may sound like I am a total douchebag but I did RTFF and googled as much as what is possible living in a country where google is blocked. Still I made a promise and need rather short -term get to LOS with my GF.
Now my last visit is 20 years ago and my old strategy book a hotel for the first nights and then prolonge or find something else or move on seems to not work at all anymore. Most online provider require long time upfront booking and pre-payment?! Is it still possible to find decent hotels when you are onsite in Bangkok? And does this also apply for train tickets and hotels in other places like say Chiang Mai etc? Or are you completely fucked with outrageous walk in prices these days?
Any help would be appreciated also via PM. I will book a hotel near Siam Square / Sukhumvit to start with so I can use the BTS to sneak away for the mongering fun, so my only question is how to best book hotels / domestic flight or train tickets when you are already in Bangkok. Is there a good local travel site or reasonable travel agency? I just do not know what we will like to do and booking in advance from China has proven a nightmare.
Thanks for the help and if I manage to get fun FR is promised, check my posting history outside Thailand.
FA.I an only speak from my own experience and for sure YMMV and other members will have done it differently.
Unless you want to go walking along the streets in a hot climate to find yourself the best possible hotel deal, I just click on www.booking.com and find me the best deal available. They do not require payment up front and their prices are inclusive of all taxes and service charges.
It is unlikely you will find better deals and for sure the time and effort lost in looking around in situ are not worth the small differences, if any at all.
The same goes for the travel. Gone are the days you needed to go through a travel agency. Now you buy your tickets on line directly from the airline. You cannot go any cheaper or more convenient than that.
For train travel you will have to go to the main train station to book your ticket. Espepcially for the long range trains and first class tickets you better do that a few days before you leave as these tickets are always in short supply.
The same goes for the travel. Gone are the days you needed to go through a travel agency. Now you buy your tickets on line directly from the airline. You cannot go any cheaper or more convenient than that..I would have to disagree here. I look up flights on kayak.com Eva London to BKK via some 3rd party website came to 520 pounds. Directly on Eva it was 630, not earning miles, and around 780 if you want to earn miles.
Booking.com is great. It's often when you pay in full you get a discount, which I don't recommend if you might need to change plans.
Thanks to all those who responded. It looks like a terrible week to be in Bangkok indeed. This may have been fun if you are 6 years old.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM0trEi2RJQ
Harry Dude
02-28-15, 20:53
I an only speak from my own experience and for sure YMMV and other members will have done it differently.
Unless you want to go walking along the streets in a hot climate to find yourself the best possible hotel deal, I just click on www.booking.com and find me the best deal available. They do not require payment up front and their prices are inclusive of all taxes and service charges.
Sort of, at least. The best deals on booking.com require a non-refundable pre-payment using your credit card. Refundable deals are more expensive.
I certainly agree with Wolvenvacht that walking the streets of Bangkok, luggage in tow, looking for a good hotel deals seems like a bad idea. Don't do this. The only sensible thing is to book online. Same goes for domestic airfare.
Thanks to all those who responded. It looks like a terrible week to be in Bangkok indeed. This may have been fun if you are 6 years old.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM0trEi2RJQDon't let everybody decide for you. You may like it. It's something everybody should experience once.
Now, IMHO, Songkran is much better outside of BKK. If you can go to Chiang Mai, Udon Thani, or someplace else upcountry, you'll find a much better experience overall. 2 or 3 years back, GF and I had a nice time in Udon. I got wasted drinking local beer and dancing in the streets with a bunch of Thai guys.
In BKK, and Pattaya, it's rather intense. You really can't go anywhere for at least 3 days without getting soaked (at least in the farang ghetto of lower Suk), and that's not much fun, unless you have nowhere to go. But elsewhere it's more laid back, the entire frikking city isn't involved, and you can avoid getting drenched if you like.
Also, if you are lucky, maybe you'll be able to participate in some of the other Songkran activities. You'll probably need a Thai GF or good acquaintance. Thais also make a point of visiting their families, making merit at the what is, pouring water on their relatives' ashes, and other interesting activities. If you dig a bit deeper you'll find Songkran to be more than just a gigantic water fight.
That said, GF and I do tend to travel outside of Thailand during Songkran, not just to avoid the water, but the traffic to / from BKK, drunk drivers, etc.
Carpaccio18
02-28-15, 23:23
Not sure if this is the forum or it should be in the Bangkok hotel section. But I have been making a search in both. I just registered to stay in the Hilton Sukhumvit for my upcoming stay. From what I read most of the Bangkok hotels are GF. Though I could not find something specific on the Hilton Sukhumvit.
Could one of the locals please confirm this Hilton is GF? Many thanks.
Also where could I find a map showing some of the local spots to visit. Nana, Bier Garten. Etc?
I read that the Sukhumvit are is the right place to be. Was I correct?
Many, Many thanks. I have been reading the pages of the forum, perhaps I missed this info.
Once again thanks!!Hi Firebird,
You should have no problem at Hilton. They are discrete about it and reception will just keep the girls I'd card for your safety.
Sukhumvit road is definitely the place to go mongering. You will find a lot nice of hang around bars with an abundance of English speaking girls down Soi 4. If you want go go bars then its either Nana Plaza (also Soi 4) or Soi Cowboy (next to Soi 23). Beware that beer price nearly double in Go go bars, but there is no cover, so you can bar hop easily.
If you want to party on after closing time, go to climax bar at Soi 11. Just get a taxi, they get a kickback to get you there. Climax usually keeps open to 5 or so, depending on the mood of the police. Its a big place with live music and lots of good-looking freelancers in case you didn't get lucky in a bar.
Have fun.
Somewhere15
03-01-15, 01:30
I frequent Bangkok Beat nightclub on SOI 7/1 as it is close to my apartment and they have several fun bands playing nightly. It is also a popular FL spot with many girls on most night. Nearly all will tell you they work for a salon. Not much imagination as you would think someone might say they work in an office environment for variety but virtually they all say salon when I ask their work.
I see many of the same girls night after night and some do quite well pulling at least one guy almost nightly. Two popular girls who I went with (and it was lousy) always seem to find a client. Sometimes, I feel like warning the guy. LOL.
However, there are some rare birds who come in there who are not on the clock. Last weekend, I met a girl towards closing time who had seen me there before. After dancing and hanging out for a while, she indicated that she wanted to go with me. I said OK but I have no money to pay you. This was partially true because my three prior experiences with girls here have been marginal at best and did not want to expend funds for another waste of time. Anyway, she agreed and devoured me in my apartment and again in the morning. Never asked for money when she left so found a freebie and one of the best shags so far in Bangkok. She is still texting me but not blowing up my phone. Funny, but says her occupation is with a salon too.If possible and when I am in town I used Bangkok Beat also as last stop before going to my apartment. Years ago the bar was open till around 4 AM, after the coupe they have to change to earlier closings like 2 AM (and sometimes till 3 AM.), latest I experienced this in mid-January.
I also remember that I had over the years several girls who came to my place without getting paid. Remember one particular girl who Always was there during the weekends (with a group of girls), she Always was sitting aside and played a lot with her Phone. On a particular night I made a remark to her, as it was too loud to have a conversation we both got outside, making a long story short, several hours later she came to my apartment and two days later (because the Monday was a Buddhist Holiday) I dropped her at her apartment at LadPro. 25 years old, around 168 cm, slim, office girl. Of course I had to pay for food etc. But the fucking was for free. We meet several weekends and during several trips.
Over the years I have experienced that not every girl in Bangkok is looking for money, only.
Hi Firebird,
You should have no problem at Hilton. They are discrete about it and reception will just keep the girls I'd card for your safety.
Sukhumvit road is definitely the place to go mongering. You will find a lot nice of hang around bars with an abundance of English speaking girls down Soi 4. If you want go go bars then its either Nana Plaza (also Soi 4) or Soi Cowboy (next to Soi 23). Beware that beer price nearly double in Go go bars, but there is no cover, so you can bar hop easily.
If you want to party on after closing time, go to climax bar at Soi 11. Just get a taxi, they get a kickback to get you there. Climax usually keeps open to 5 or so, depending on the mood of the police. Its a big place with live music and lots of good-looking freelancers in case you didn't get lucky in a bar.
Have fun.Hey Carpaccio. MANY THANKS for the feedback. Definitely plan to have fun!
The place seems to close most nights at 3 am. Some of the bands are quite good especially the Filipina band that plays several nights during the week, but not all, starting at Midnight. The blond lead singer, whose name is Grace, is quite popular with the crowd in there and a nice person to chat with.
There are several girls, always together, who sit in the back section. I know at least one in this group will cost as she picked me up the first night I went to BB with the old "up to you" when I inquired about cost. Her relaxed attitude totally changed when we got back to my apartment. Then it was hurry up (so she can back to the bar). As a consequence, I gave her 1000 bhat, which she did not seem to like but accepted. She smiles at me all the time and points to her friends and gestures for me to come over but I figure birds of a feather flock together and don't want to repeat the same mistake twice.
There is one attractive girl I see in there constantly, usually comes alone, with lightly dyed hair and nice figure who always leaves with really old decrepit guys, generally overweight, and barely ambulatory. She scores almost every night I am there. She's got her target zone figured out.
But when I see the same girl in there all the time, I figure they are on the game. Your comment suggests I should reevaluate that train of thought.
Anyway, it's an easy stroll to my apartment, so I enjoy going there.
If possible and when I am in town I used Bangkok Beat also as last stop before going to my apartment. Years ago the bar was open till around 4 AM, after the coupe they have to change to earlier closings like 2 AM (and sometimes till 3 AM.), latest I experienced this in mid-January.
Over the years I have experienced that not every girl in Bangkok is looking for money, only.
Nice line up of sexy naked girls in Crazy House last night. I had already fucked my regular Tilac girl so was just window shopping. Strange that I had seen No. 91 since first visited and always thought she was pretty but perhaps not friendly to some of the other girls.
Last night she seemed to be friendly with a girl of well known good character so I thought I have to re evaluate my previous assessment. Her nose somehow looked shorter and cuter than before. Tall with rather white skin.
Decided to call her over for a chat. She seemed shy but came across as a good shy girl. Could she be just putting on her best act? Quite possible. Undecided.
I asked her to take her top off for a good tip as she has very nice tits just A cups but high (the tits are just 20 years old). Finally managed that after a few tequilas. She says has been working in bars since age 16 to support her family and brother in university. Claims to stay alone with her pets (some sort of animal smaller than a rabbit or squirrel). Not sure I believe she has no Thai BF. Has been seen leaving on motorbike with Thai boy I believe. She could be a big liar which would not be unusual. Its very hard to detect what is true on first conversation and bar gossip is not trustworthy too. She claimed her nose was natural where others has said fake. It looked real enough to me. No high bridge.
Definitely one of the very best looking girls for face and body. Maybe next time I will try fucking her just in case she turns out good. Very few of them are good for sex. Only 3 to date were good enough to repeat. The rest hopeless. So many inexperienced and dick scared. Maybe 91 has enough experience. Nice to know if anyone tried her already. Gave me a very nice tongue kiss and is non smoker.
Next time I might try to get her completely undressed and a lap dance if she is not too shy If all goes well I suppose I have to take the punt and go ST. I should really have fucked her a year ago, but she gives a nicer impression these days.
Not sure if this is the forum or it should be in the Bangkok hotel section. But I have been making a search in both. I just registered to stay in the Hilton Sukhumvit for my upcoming stay. From what I read most of the Bangkok hotels are GF. Though I could not find something specific on the Hilton Sukhumvit.
Could one of the locals please confirm this Hilton is GF? Many thanks.
Also where could I find a map showing some of the local spots to visit. Nana, Bier Garten. Etc?
I read that the Sukhumvit are is the right place to be. Was I correct?
Many, Many thanks. I have been reading the pages of the forum, perhaps I missed this info.
Once again thanks!Hilton Sukhumvit is a new, beautiful hotel in Soi 24, and is very close to the oily in soi 24 & 26, but not so close to he Nana, Bier Garten, Thermae, Soi Cowboy area. Should you like to be closer to that area I recommend the Westin, Sofitel or Landmark.
Now my last visit is 20 years ago and my old strategy book a hotel for the first nights and then prolonge or find something else or move on seems to not work at all anymore. Most online provider require long time upfront booking and pre-payment?! Is it still possible to find decent hotels when you are onsite in Bangkok? And does this also apply for train tickets and hotels in other places like say Chiang Mai etc? Or are you completely fucked with outrageous walk in prices these days?
FA.I would say yes, it is still possible to find decent hotels when you are on site in Bangkok. Just book a hotel for the first 2 or 3 nights and then spend a day or half a day looking around for a good deal (without luggage obviously, so more relaxed). There are loads of hotels in Bangkok and tourism has gone down since the coup so it should certainly be possible to avoid outrageous walk in prices.
What you can do is search on internet booking sites for nice looking hotels and then pay them a visit to see if they are really nice.
Robert Long
03-01-15, 07:58
Followed the information in the Bangkok Red Eye. First night strolled around Suk and ended up on Soi 22. Cursed the block and was enticed by a cute lady in front of a Massage shop. I took her advise and went for the Thai massage. She flipped me over and asked if I wanted happy ending. I said sure, take off your clothes and lets make love. She smiled and said two, I gave a frown and replied 1. 5. She said wait we need a condom. She came back and undressed, cute little body and nice firm see cups. She came twice and I just couldn't cum with these industrial condoms they use. She smiled and said ok I finish you. She oiled me up took off the condom and finished with a good HJ. She asked me to please out call her tomorrow. She would come to my hotel with surprises. This was Friday night.
I then walked over to NANA for a few beers. Next report to follow.
RL.
She came twice and I just couldn't cum with these industrial condoms they use. She smiled and said ok I finish you. She oiled me up took off the condom and finished with a good HJ. She asked me to please out call her tomorrow.
RL.Some of us write how we always take our own condoms to bookings, just in case. Durex Comfort is one type that suits me, so I am willing to pay extra 100 Baht for a box of three. I have others from OS. Wrong condoms definitely interferes with a session.
Carpaccio18
03-01-15, 11:30
Hey Carpaccio. MANY THANKS for the feedback. Definitely plan to have fun!If its your first time to Bangkok, let me give you a few more tips:
During the day you will get jumped at every street corner by tuktuk drivers offering happy hour body massage. Don't go for it, they will drive you halfway across Bangkok to some remote place where they get the best commission, then take you to a market on the way back where they get gas vouchers. You will be spending half the day doing this. If you want the fishbowl experience, you can just stroll to Soi 12, there is a sauna place on the right side just 30 meters into the Soi.
Daytime FS fun can also be had at Eden, which is located at Soi 7/1. This is not for the faint hearted, its is owned by a French guy and you get a 90 minute session with two girls for 3500 bht. The girls will line up, and the girls on one side of the yellow stripe will have no holes barred. The owner is very friendly and will tell you the ropes.
In the Go Go bars, girls will come and sit with you very quickly. This may not be the girl of your choice, and be careful not to start giving her lady drinks, because you will find it very difficult to switch lady once that happens. Take time and look for the girls who smile from stage, they are usually most fun. If the waitresses keep asking you to take a girl, you can buy some leeway by giving the waitress a drink. She may offer you advice on girls, which may be genuine but may as easily be a suggestion to take a girl who has not been very lucky recently. If you can't get eye contact with the girl of your choice, you can simply give her number to the waitress and she will fix you up. If you find yourself "owned" by the wrong girl, switch bar instead of girl, it is less hassle. Personally my favorite Go Gos are the ones in Soi Cowboy. Tilac and Suzie Wong.
Today Sunday, was best line up of girls ever at Crazy House for my personal taste. That is slim to skinny girls, slim legs, small tits, beautiful but not saggy, not silicone and lacking fake noses. 50% of them naked. The others have no panties under skirt. Very beautiful asses for my taste. If you like big tits, forget it. Not many with that. If you like silicones, again very few. Even fatties in short supply but a couple of more voluptuous types.
A lot of gyrating shaven pussy. Some more shy girls. Cannot find the equal of this, slim young pretty natural girls completely nude, in any other bar that I know of. I haven't checked out any bars in Phat Phong recently.
I like tall No. 05, very slim with cute ass, No. 4 quite pretty, both of these had very small tits. Also No. 35 and 50 and great dancers with tight bodies. I Bfed No. 91.20 YO, 170 cm. White skin, cute nose, just A cups, firm ass and curvy. Not quite skinny. She turned out to be not cock scared, hooray, and did not have a tiny tight pussy, so could take it all. Nice tongue kissing. Was into the DATY but was very difficult to make her cum. In the end I found out she liked very firm strong tongue action and managed to get her there finally. Needed a short rest to catch my breath. Allowed me to gently finger her very beautiful pussy as much as I liked which was a big turn on for me. Fuck was pretty good. She relaxed her legs well to make it easy. She was reluctant to use any gel, but after a long period it became necessary. Yes I would repeat. She is one of the more shy girls in the club as doesn't dance naked. Gets both Farang and Asian customers, due to white skin. Not the right choice for those who like big tits or very tight pussy. No tats, no piercings. Hard to find that.
This was only the 4th girl I had at CH good enough to be worth repeating, and only 1 other still works there.
However there are bound to be several great girls not yet tried. Would like to try the front of house girl too. There are some really good energetic dancers there.
Many bars including Crazy House will close on 4th. Alcohol cannot be sold. Buddhist Maka Buchaa.
If its your first time to Bangkok, let me give you a few more tips:
During the day you will get jumped at every street corner by tuktuk drivers offering happy hour body massage. Don't go for it, they will drive you halfway across Bangkok to some remote place where they get the best commission, then take you to a market on the way back where they get gas vouchers. You will be spending half the day doing this. If you want the fishbowl experience, you can just stroll to Soi 12, there is a sauna place on the right side just 30 meters into the Soi.
Daytime FS fun can also be had at Eden, which is located at Soi 7/1. This is not for the faint hearted, its is owned by a French guy and you get a 90 minute session with two girls for 3500 bht. The girls will line up, and the girls on one side of the yellow stripe will have no holes barred. The owner is very friendly and will tell you the ropes.
In the Go Go bars, girls will come and sit with you very quickly. This may not be the girl of your choice, and be careful not to start giving her lady drinks, because you will find it very difficult to switch lady once that happens. Take time and look for the girls who smile from stage, they are usually most fun. If the waitresses keep asking you to take a girl, you can buy some leeway by giving the waitress a drink. She may offer you advice on girls, which may be genuine but may as easily be a suggestion to take a girl who has not been very lucky recently. If you can't get eye contact with the girl of your choice, you can simply give her number to the waitress and she will fix you up. If you find yourself "owned" by the wrong girl, switch bar instead of girl, it is less hassle. Personally my favorite Go Gos are the ones in Soi Cowboy. Tilac and Suzie Wong.Carpaccio, once again MANY Thanks!! This is not my first time in Bangkok, but it has been a while so I am trying to learn the "ropes" again. I do frequent the Philippines, China, China and Singapore. My preference is for LT in my hotel. Overnight. If I "connect" with the girl I will take for for subsequent nights. Last time I was in BKK, I used to frequent Biergarden, though reports are that the selection is old and used.
In the Philippines, I have a 23 yo "steady".
Would Soi Cowboy, Tilac and Suzie Wong be the places to find girl to bar find for overnight? What would be the damage? I do not want to upset the "economy" LOL.
Or would there be better places to find freelancers?.
With regards to Eden, let's see if I have time this trip to enjoy the girls.
Once again THANKS for the input.
Stay Safe.
Firebird.
Daytime FS fun can also be had at Eden, which is located at Soi 7/1. This is not for the faint hearted, its is owned by a French guy and you get a 90 minute session with two girls for 3500 bht. The girls will line up, and the girls on one side of the yellow stripe will have no holes barred. The owner is very friendly and will tell you the ropes.I believe that Eden Club is now 4400 baht for a 90 minutes duo incall session. They also have single / duo lady outcall options. Is MoMay still working there?
Worth a try if you have never done it (think bucket list) although if I was looking for this type of action I prefer Devils Den in Pattaya which has a similar business model. Eden does not have much of a web presence but if you check out the DD website you will get the idea: http://devilsdenthailand.com/.
SL.
Carpaccio18
03-02-15, 01:31
I believe that Eden Club is now 4400 baht for a 90 minutes duo incall session. They also have single / duo lady outcall options. Is MoMay still working there?
Worth a try if you have never done it (think bucket list) although if I was looking for this type of action I prefer Devils Den in Pattaya which has a similar business model. Eden does not have much of a web presence but if you check out the DD website you will get the idea: http://devilsdenthailand.com/.
SL.Its more than a year since I was at Eden, so price is probably up. But you're right, its certainly one for the bucket list.
Carpaccio18
03-02-15, 01:45
Carpaccio, once again MANY Thanks!! This is not my first time in Bangkok, but it has been a while so I am trying to learn the "ropes" again. I do frequent the Philippines, China, China and Singapore. My preference is for LT in my hotel. Overnight. If I "connect" with the girl I will take for for subsequent nights. Last time I was in BKK, I used to frequent Biergarden, though reports are that the selection is old and used.
In the Philippines, I have a 23 yo "steady".
Would Soi Cowboy, Tilac and Suzie Wong be the places to find girl to bar find for overnight? What would be the damage? I do not want to upset the "economy" LOL.
Or would there be better places to find freelancers?.
With regards to Eden, let's see if I have time this trip to enjoy the girls.
Once again THANKS for the input.
Stay Safe.
Firebird.Hi Firebird.
You can easily find girls for LT at the Go Gos in Soi Cowboy. I was at Tilac some weeks ago, and they had lots of pretty girls, good English too. Had an LT thing with a very good looking and sweet girl with a great body from Tilac. She offered me company for my stay in BK and that's is far from unusual if she likes you.
Girls in the bars and freelancers are often a few years older than the gogo girls, so if you like them early 20's, gogo is the way to go.
Damage is typically 600 bht for the bar fee and 3000-4000 bht for a full night. If you want to stay with her next days, you will usually need to pay bar fee again, then she doesn't need to work (and tip her the 3-4 K again).
If you like the "slower" bar scene, Morning Night or one of the Hillary Bars in Soi 4 are good picks also. Damage is about the same, but drinks are much cheaper. Bar girls do tend to want to go to work though, as they have a quota of lady drinks they need to fill, and that won't happen if they are taking days off.
I believe that Eden Club is now 4400 baht for a 90 minutes duo incall session. They also have single / duo lady outcall options. Is MoMay still working there?
Worth a try if you have never done it (think bucket list) although if I was looking for this type of action I prefer Devils Den in Pattaya which has a similar business model. Eden does not have much of a web presence but if you check out the DD website you will get the idea: http://devilsdenthailand.com/.
SL.Anyone ever try the partybus from Bangkok down to Pattaya? Only 18000 baht for 3 girls of your choosing (14 k if you let them chose). Wonder if you could split that with a wingman and have a gangbang on the way down to Pattaya?
I believe that Eden Club is now 4400 baht for a 90 minutes duo incall session. SL.Eden wasn't that special for me, although many years ago now. Too much acting. For less you could have a 2 girl Nuru bodyslide at Dr. BJ. I did and that was pretty damn good. One slim girl Pat was even a real bi-sexual and enthusiastic fuck. Ask her to recommend another girl. They don't have any strap-ONS like Eden but who cares? I also took two girls from Suzi Wong many times. Know a real lesbian there too.
I am just saying that for 2 girls, there are other options.
In the Go Go bars, girls will come and sit with you very quickly. This may not be the girl of your choice, and be careful not to start giving her lady drinks, because you will find it very difficult to switch lady once that happens. Take time and look for the girls who smile from stage, they are usually most fun. If the waitresses keep asking you to take a girl, you can buy some leeway by giving the waitress a drink. She may offer you advice on girls, which may be genuine but may as easily be a suggestion to take a girl who has not been very lucky recently. If you can't get eye contact with the girl of your choice, you can simply give her number to the waitress and she will fix you up. If you find yourself "owned" by the wrong girl, switch bar instead of girl, it is less hassle. Personally my favorite Go Gos are the ones in Soi Cowboy. Tilac and Suzie Wong.Good advice. In particular, pushy girls will come to you. Do not let the girl choose you. Do not buy her a drink. You have the right to choose which one you want to sit with you. I don't find it that hard to switch girls if I am with the wrong girl. I simply call another girl over for a drink. Sometimes I have been with 2 girls for a period but only BF the one I want. Its really not necessary to switch bars. An totally unwanted girl can be told to go away, if hassling you.
When a girl requests to sit with you, you can say no thanks, or completely ignore an uninvited girl sitting close.
The more pushy the girl, the less I am interested.
PrinceRaj2126
03-02-15, 04:51
Great. I wonder now that based on reports that CH is now one of the best in business, may be overtaking baccarra very quickly. LOL.
BTW, how much minimum lady drinks one needs to buy to BF a girl in CH? (in bacarra, when I last visited it was 2 drinks minimum and that too at a overwhelming price) and what was the LT damage negotiated with girl?
Cheers
Today Sunday, was best line up of girls ever at Crazy House for my personal taste. That is slim to skinny girls, slim legs, small tits, beautiful but not saggy, not silicone and lacking fake noses. 50% of them naked. The others have no panties under skirt. Very beautiful asses for my taste. If you like big tits, forget it. Not many with that. If you like silicones, again very few. Even fatties in short supply but a couple of more voluptuous types.
A lot of gyrating shaven pussy. Some more shy girls. Cannot find the equal of this, slim young pretty natural girls completely nude, in any other bar that I know of. I haven't checked out any bars in Phat Phong recently.
I like tall No. 05, very slim with cute ass, No. 4 quite pretty, both of these had very small tits. Also No. 35 and 50 and great dancers with tight bodies. I Bfed No. 91.20 YO, 170 cm. White skin, cute nose, just A cups, firm ass and curvy. Not quite skinny. She turned out to be not cock scared, hooray, and did not have a tiny tight pussy, so could take it all. Nice tongue kissing. Was into the DATY but was very difficult to make her cum. In the end I found out she liked very firm strong tongue action and managed to get her there finally. Needed a short rest to catch my breath. Allowed me to gently finger her very beautiful pussy as much as I liked which was a big turn on for me. Fuck was pretty good. She relaxed her legs well to make it easy. She was reluctant to use any gel, but after a long period it became necessary. Yes I would repeat. She is one of the more shy girls in the club as doesn't dance naked. Gets both Farang and Asian customers, due to white skin. Not the right choice for those who like big tits or very tight pussy. No tats, no piercings. Hard to find that..
TwoTimeTed
03-02-15, 07:33
Good advice. In particular, pushy girls will come to you. Do not let the girl choose you. Do not buy her a drink. You have the right to choose which one you want to sit with you. I don't find it that hard to switch girls if I am with the wrong girl. I simply call another girl over for a drink. Sometimes I have been with 2 girls for a period but only BF the one I want. Its really not necessary to switch bars. An totally unwanted girl can be told to go away, if hassling you.
When a girl requests to sit with you, you can say no thanks, or completely ignore an uninvited girl sitting close.
The more pushy the girl, the less I am interested.It seems these gals just shove themselves into your space. Happened countless times to me and my friend.
These girls are very nice and its hard to say "get the fuck out of here" without shaming them or not buying a lady drink.
So, me and my friend got hit up every time we sat down and instead of insulting the girls we would just get up and leave to the next bar, after they request a lady drink.
Its sort of bitter sweet.
You can have a good time if they leave you alone at that bar and then you don't experience other bars. But when the gals come and ask for a LD, they you get up and go. You then go and get to experience other bars to your liking because of the harassment.
It seems these gals just shove themselves into your space. Happened countless times to me and my friend.
These girls are very nice and its hard to say "get the fuck out of here" without shaming them or not buying a lady drink.
So, me and my friend got hit up every time we sat down and instead of insulting the girls we would just get up and leave to the next bar, after they request a lady drink.
Its sort of bitter sweet.
You can have a good time if they leave you alone at that bar and then you don't experience other bars. But when the gals come and ask for a LD, they you get up and go. You then go and get to experience other bars to your liking because of the harassment.If you see it as a positive, great, but really even good bars have their aggressive girls that will head for any new comers not seen before. The pushy girls are usually the worst girls in the bar, so largely unwanted. The really good girls are usually not that desperate.
Its not necessary to be really rude unless the girl is very persistent. Simply, "No thankyou, I didn't want any company just yet" in response to "Can I sit here?" Or "No thanks" to "will you buy me a drink? And "no thanks, I don't like massage". If they start asking me lots of inane questions, I simply ignore them.
In due course, if I call a girl over for a drink, the unwanted one has to make way. She gets no drink. You cannot reward unwanted behaviour. For really annoying girls, you really can tell her to go away. If a girl sits next to me, and is not annoying me, then its okay I don't care, but I won't let her distract me from watching the other more interesting girls. The customer has to take charge of the situation, and not meekly fold to any old girl.
I generally don't get swamped by girls in bars, even if I am not known. If they come up and want to shake my hand, I just don't offer my hand. I am probably anti-social as I don't want to talk to every person in Thailand that wants to talk to me. I can try to be "Thai" polite only so far. The main thing is not to get annoyed too easily. Just ignore is better.
Believe me, in the old days it was much tougher. You could go into a bar like Kangaroo Bar, sit down, it would be quite dark, and pretty quickly the girls would be trying to unzip your pants and get your dick out to suck on, and you did not even ask for anything yet. Your eyes probably had not even adjusted to the very low light yet, so did not even know how pretty or not the girls were, or which ones you liked, or how much tip they were expecting. Also you could potentially be a bit shy about this, being a newbie to it all. Soon you got used to seeing naked girls with some guy's fingers (or your own) up their pussy. Girls would take it in turns to blow you, each competing to be the one to make you pop. I am not sure that you even had to pay for the tag team BJ back then. You just kept on buying drinks for the girls. Years later, fucking a girl in the common bar area might be no cause for shyness at all.
Reminder bars will not be open Wednesday.
Quick visit to Suzie Wong today. For skinny girls its dropped off badly. Once young girls quit Ice, they can't control their weight any more. Noi used to be skinny once. Nuu Dee was only slim one I could see at 7. 30. Big contrast to the Crazy House skinny lineup.
Was her period but we went and fucked anyway. Had to get her to take the "Luuk Jiap" sponge out it was severely interfering with penetration especially in doggy. It can be felt with finger so that is 4 inches deep at most. I am not that short.
I can never fuck girls who put these things inside.
Removal improved things greatly. Her pussy is very tight without any obstacles.
Robert Long
03-02-15, 18:34
I never see any reports on China Town. It seems that since Bangkok is 40% Chinese that there would be some clubs or parlors in CT. WG's in other Asian cities that are PRC are making big money as hey are very desirable and very professional. Any leads or comments would be appreciated.
RL.
Traveler1234
03-02-15, 18:57
I never see any reports on China Town.
RL.There have been some sporadic reports on this area. But keep in mind ethnic Chinese have been assimilated with Thais for years now. Most of my Thai-Chinese friends, business associates, etc. are senior citizens and speak some combination of mandarin, cantonese and/or local dialect. Most of the younger generation only speak Thai!
I never see any reports on China Town. It seems that since Bangkok is 40% Chinese that there would be some clubs or parlors in CT. WG's in other Asian cities that are PRC are making big money as hey are very desirable and very professional. Any leads or comments would be appreciated.
RL.I don't think they want to see any farangs there.
I never see any reports on China Town. It seems that since Bangkok is 40% Chinese that there would be some clubs or parlors in CT. WG's in other Asian cities that are PRC are making big money as hey are very desirable and very professional. Any leads or comments would be appreciated.
RL.I went there early November 2014: see reports #30013 and #30014 in this thread.
If you want to know more about this area then use the search function with these key words:
Yao Wa Rat road.
Mit Phan.
Maitri Chit.
Phantha Chit.
Soi Texas (Phadung Dao Road).
FernandoAlonso
03-03-15, 05:25
I would say yes, it is still possible to find decent hotels when you are on site in Bangkok. Just book a hotel for the first 2 or 3 nights and then spend a day or half a day looking around for a good deal (without luggage obviously, so more relaxed). There are loads of hotels in Bangkok and tourism has gone down since the coup so it should certainly be possible to avoid outrageous walk in prices.
What you can do is search on internet booking sites for nice looking hotels and then pay them a visit to see if they are really nice.A Big thanks to all of you!
Helpful! I did manage booking most hotels mainly via bookingdotcom, reasonable deals and often no full prepay required, often with some cancellation possibilities 5 to 7 days in advance. Not perfect but workable. Used Ctrip for the rest but it is a nightmare as they have different systems and prices on iPhone, iPad and PC. Theiphone version is Chinese only but seems to use agoda for I ternational bookings, small tip if you are able to book on the Chinese language ones do that, much better prices. On the PC do your search in English, log in and then switch to Mandarin and voila you save a lot. They accept foreign credit cards.
In general short term booking is still a possibility but the good old backpacker days are gone. Miss that a lot.
I will do a report if I can sneak away for partaking and will report.
Thank you again for helping out.
FA.
Realize this is a bit of a dumb question, but has anyone ever gotten A+ from girls in gogos? If so, was there an upcharge?
Hello colleagues,
I am here in BKK now. I didn't expect to be able to do any mongering cause I was with a friend, but she left earlier than expected, so I found myself suddenly alone and free to fuck some pussy.
If anybody wants a wingman for hitting bars or just having drink, please message me, I'll be back to Europe on Friday!
Cheers!
Paul Kausch
03-03-15, 16:28
Realize this is a bit of a dumb question, but has anyone ever gotten A+ from girls in gogos? If so, was there an upcharge?Yes, to your first question. The girls and I agreed on an all inclusive price. The price was not itemized by individual services: DFK, DATY, BBBJ, FS and A+.
BKK was never my favorite playground. But I decided to play several days before heading to work elsewhere.
Pay bar at gogo bar. I checked Nana and Soi Cowboy, seems there is not much nudity left. All Rainbow bars were with bikini. Bacara upstairs school girls also put on their shirts. The only place I saw some skin was from several very loose skin 15 years past their prime in Raw Hide bar.
It wasn't easy to pick someone and conduct interview with hordes and hordes of tourists around you. All these popular bars are way too hectic.
I picked up one with nice body at R4, a bit of cold attitude, probably multiple bar fines a night, pricy as expected, I hurriedly swallowed my kamagra. She asked for 2500st, but I had to beg her for discount because I told her I have low income, and she agreed 2000.
Then we left and I tried to walked out to get a taxi to my hotel in Phrom Phom, that's where the bad feeling started, she thought I agreed to go ST hotel inside Nana, she insisted she only wants to go ST inside the premise. I gave in, I did have much a choice anymore, unless I gave up the bar fine. The mood went downhill from there.
The whole session was quite mechanical, I can feel she gets multi pay bar a day, she was just follow her routine, I asked for BBBJ, she said she has sore in her mouth, but gave me some CBJ, which I hate the most. Very quiet session, could feel she tried hard to make me cum fast.
The overall spending for this R4 girl, drinks about 300, bar fine 600, body fee 2000, ST hotel 300, total 3200.
I believe this is the average for these big gogos in Bangkok. I probably won't repeat these big tourist shops. Maybe next time going to Snow White get an older girl to CIM for better value.
By the way I feel Bangkok price has over taken KL and Singapore. Last month I has 2 great session at Sky River in KL with 19 and 21 years old very nice girls with great BBBJ for 210 RM, the spa gave me a big free meal too. Last Nov in Geylang, I had 3 sessions with very 3 young China dolls in S150 houses age all under 22, all gave me BBBJ, 1 gave me rimming, 1 allowed me CIM.
Sometimes I start to wonder the value of play in Bangkok, and the unpredictable service quality here, sometimes I feel Kl and Sing not too bad after all.
Member #4591
03-03-15, 17:48
I never see any reports on China Town. It seems that since Bangkok is 40% Chinese that there would be some clubs or parlors in CT. WG's in other Asian cities that are PRC are making big money as hey are very desirable and very professional. Any leads or comments would be appreciated.
RL.. This is the info I found. I had saved the post and here is a copy.
Orchard Towers it is not, but.
8232;There's a brothel with Chinese women smack in the middle of Yaowarat, about 50 m from the corner of Soi Texas (the junction with outdoor food places overflowing into the main road).
8232;In this picture, it would be just outside of the bounds to the left:8232;8232;http://www.flickr.com/photos/queenofoeb/60409150/
8232;This is another view of Soi Texas (the place is on Yaowarat road itself near Texas intersection):8232;8232;http://www.panoramio.com/photo/10714745
8232;The place is called Broadway hotel, but you won't see the sign unless you look up and scan carefully. Easiest is to just walk along Yaowarat from the junction, looking into the doorways. You'll normally see 2-10 Chinese hookers sitting on the stairway and some may call you. Sometimes, they walk Soi Texas and surrounding areas as well. They look rather different from Thais.
8232;Chinese women working at or near Broadway range in age from early 20's to 50's, but not all are present at any given time (you're likely to see 20% of what's available). I think the best time to go is late afternoon. 5-7 pm or so (but it varies, no hard rule here).
8232;Price is 300-800 baht for a quick poke, although they try to ask for more. Negotiate hard and try to pay towards the lower end. It's Chinese style, and don't worry, no matter how little you pay, they'll try to deliver *less. You can always pay them more in the room if necessary (e. G. 100 for a BJ). Even if you pay them 1500, they won't just include it without a struggle.
8232;The room is 70 baht (unless the attendant is sleeping, then it's free). Ask for a room one with a toilet (otherwise you may get a really crappy one). You can also go to a different place (small soi parallel to Soi Texas has a better ST hotel next to the massage place for 150 baht).
8232;Service quality is truly crap compared to anything you experienced in Thailand, but it costs next-to-nothing so it's still worth a try for the novelty factor. Be prepared, some V is advised, as they won't try to make you particularly horny. Once in the room, the women demand money in advance, but you'll have better service if you manage to convince them to pay after. I get a sense they're semi-freelancers. Not much structure in the whole deal (I've managed to take a rare good one home for 1500/3 h and had an OK time, better than at the hotel). They probably work on their own, but pay the rent / protection (not a cut of each service). No obvious pimp presence.
8232;They generally don't speak Thai (much less English) , so communication will be a problem. However, near Broadway / Soi Texas it's obvious what the transaction is about, easy to deal. There are a lot of *ish looking Chinese women milling around 2nd floor from Lotus (Th Mangkon) with massage, tea and karaoke shops. However, in that place the setup is less obvious, I never picked anyone from there (I'm a bit timid, I guess).
For those interested in picking up freelancers in this area, during daylight hours, I would reccomend Soi Texas (Phadung Dao) and the passageway the leads off the north eastern corner and joind Yaowarat opposite the Chinatown Hotel. The restaurant at the Yaowarat end of the passageway, on the right, is also great for shark-fin soup.
After dark, the freelancers are displaced from Soi Texas by the numerous seafood stalls that set up along the road. I would reccomend Lek & Rut for delightful grilled prawns and crab etc.
Soi Texas actually takes it's name from the old 'Texas Theatre' that once stood there. If anyone has information or photos of what this place used to be like, I'd be very interested to see.
If your taste is for the more mature ladies, the bus stops on Charoen Krung, opposite Soi Texas, normally has a number of ladies looking for business.
The other pick up areas in Chinatown are along Thanon Maitri Chit and Thanon Mit Phan. These are pretty good almost any time of day or night.
Short time hotels are plentiful, but many are complete flee-pits. I would reccomend either the one adjacent Texas massage or The Tai Pei in Thanon Mit Phan.
Both the Chinatown & White Orchid hotels are girl friendly, but they will will copy the girls I'd cards. However, apart from near the river, Chinatown can be very smoggy and suffocating, I wouldn't reccomend it as a location to base yourself in. Better explore as a visitor.
Pay bar at gogo bar. I checked Nana and Soi Cowboy, seems there is not much nudity left. All Rainbow bars were with bikini. Bacara upstairs school girls also put on their shirts. The only place I saw some skin was from several very loose skin 15 years past their prime in Raw Hide bar.
If you read here regularly, you would know that total nudity occurs at Doll House, Suzie Wong, Crazy House, and Long Gun. In some of these bars pussy is well shaved. Some girls in Crazy House are pretty wayward in displaying everything they have.
Rainbow 4 is a very hit and miss bar for girls. I have not had many good ones from there. Most are looking for a quickie and I am not that. Crazy House is also Hit and Miss. More miss than hit. Suzie Wong girls are better performers on average. Haven't had a bad girl from there for a long time. However I know a few girls quite well (when they show up that is) and rarely try a new girl (unless comes highly recommended).
Robert Long
03-03-15, 20:46
This is the info I found. I had saved the post and here is a copy.
Many thanks Dog. Next time I'll wander around and see what I can get into. Any Viet Nam Ladies in there? The China Town in Honolulu is all Viet Nam now. The cycle of life. Chinese are to rich to have shops in CT.
Mahalo.
RL.
This is the info I found. I had saved the post and here is a copy.
Many thanks Dog. Next time I'll wander around and see what I can get into. Any Viet Nam Ladies in there? The China Town in Honolulu is all Viet Nam now. The cycle of life. Chinese are to rich to have shops in CT.
Mahalo.
RL.The Chinese are the landlords of the Vietnamese in Honolulu's Chinatown.
BKK was never my favorite playground. But I decided to play several days before heading to work elsewhere.
Pay bar at gogo bar. I checked Nana and Soi Cowboy, seems there is not much nudity left. All Rainbow bars were with bikini. Bacara upstairs school girls also put on their shirts. The only place I saw some skin was from several very loose skin 15 years past their prime in Raw Hide bar.
It wasn't easy to pick someone and conduct interview with hordes and hordes of tourists around you. All these popular bars are way too hectic.
I picked up one with nice body at R4, a bit of cold attitude, probably multiple bar fines a night, pricy as expected, I hurriedly swallowed my kamagra. She asked for 2500st, but I had to beg her for discount because I told her I have low income, and she agreed 2000.
Then we left and I tried to walked out to get a taxi to my hotel in Phrom Phom, that's where the bad feeling started, she thought I agreed to go ST hotel inside Nana, she insisted she only wants to go ST inside the premise. I gave in, I did have much a choice anymore, unless I gave up the bar fine. The mood went downhill from there.
The whole session was quite mechanical, I can feel she gets multi pay bar a day, she was just follow her routine, I asked for BBBJ, she said she has sore in her mouth, but gave me some CBJ, which I hate the most. Very quiet session, could feel she tried hard to make me cum fast.
The overall spending for this R4 girl, drinks about 300, bar fine 600, body fee 2000, ST hotel 300, total 3200.
I believe this is the average for these big gogos in Bangkok. I probably won't repeat these big tourist shops. Maybe next time going to Snow White get an older girl to CIM for better value.
By the way I feel Bangkok price has over taken KL and Singapore. Last month I has 2 great session at Sky River in KL with 19 and 21 years old very nice girls with great BBBJ for 210 RM, the spa gave me a big free meal too. Last Nov in Geylang, I had 3 sessions with very 3 young China dolls in S150 houses age all under 22, all gave me BBBJ, 1 gave me rimming, 1 allowed me CIM.
Sometimes I start to wonder the value of play in Bangkok, and the unpredictable service quality here, sometimes I feel Kl and Sing not too bad after all.Agree with you 100%. The value for money in BKK is quite poor, especially in the GoGos. 100 USD for 15 min of sex is a rip off. Back when it cost you less than half that, a short sesh was almost ok. For 100 USD I expect 120 min of pure PSE insanity. The only places that are decent value are the oilies. KL is still KL. That is what I like about it. Not a tourist destination really, so there has not been the pricing pressure from overzealous punters who have no issue paying whatever for whatever because it is "still cheaper than where I live. " Money is one thing but the poor attitudes and bad service that have come as a result is what is most unacceptable.
We have a three hour layover at BKK airport in the late afternoon. Considering going through immigration and checkin for next flight we got at most 1. 5 hours free time. Is there a massage / soapie nearby that we can manage in this timeframe /?
Member #4611
03-04-15, 03:59
We have a three hour layover at BKK airport in the late afternoon. Considering going through immigration and checkin for next flight we got at most 1. 5 hours free time. Is there a massage / soapie nearby that we can manage in this timeframe /?FWIW I think that would be tough. Nothing worthwhile close enough in my view. Immigration took me 45 minutes last time and then security and passport control could be a nightmare unless you are in Business Class. You will also need to pay airport tax if you enter Thailand. http://www.thai-airways.ru/en/information-for-passengers/50/ 700 baht.
Chill, get a foot massage in the Terminal near area G.
Cheers.
Robert Long
03-04-15, 08:11
So off I went to the Hauy Kwang district after lunch. Got off the MRT and walked around checking out the area. The first is the group of Soapy are The Madame, Nataree, and Emmanuelle. I went into each to check out the stock. The Madame had 5 girls that looked good but a little on the heavy side 1800. Next I went to Nataree and the 10 girls were like vultures all to thin and not very good looking, 2100. Then I went to Emmanuelle. WOW! 50 + cute ladies all cookie cutter cute and great bodies. I ask the boss the price and he shocked me with a 3200 start and up to 6000 for the models.
I went back to The Madame and choose the cutest one, although a good 50 kilos she was nice. Her name is Cee. She was great soup to nuts the best service I had in the 4 days in BKK. The nice surprise was the the cups, once she undressed and started using those wonderful tits, I was sold on her. She took her time and had a great attitude always laughing and making cute noises. Great CBJ and then rinse and on to the bed for a nice session of full sex. Again the industrial grade condoms were not the pleasure I had hoped for so she finished me off with a very professional HJ. Full 2 hrs and I tipped her 300.
Day 3 was not good as I went shopping at MBK and after lunch back to the Patpong area. A street hustler talked me into a Soapy in Patpong. After yesterday I figured why not, that was so good. Well be warned that Patpong is the worst. I went in and picked the best looking body in the fishbowl. She was cute and very sexy. We got to the room and she ask me to lay down in the bathtub and she turned on the cold water and gave a 5 minute soapy. Put her tits in my face and whispered in my ear "don't forget my tip". Dryed me off and layed on the bed and she applied the condom and jumped on. We managed a few positions and I was able to cum do to her very tight pussy. 2000 + 300 tip, 1 hour or less.
Day 4, and it's getting worse. I changed money on Silom Rd and was walking back to catch to Skytrain to go back to Huay Kwang when a Taxi boss asked me where I was going. I told him and he said why pay the train and the MRT so much when his taxi for 200 would take me around all afternoon to find the best place and wait for me to bring me back to my hotel. Made sense to me.
The first place the driver took me only had 5 girls and the asking price was 3400. I assumed that they had to pay the driver so I declined and asked him to take me to another. He said this next place is where I go when he is horny. They had 8 girls and not bad. Price 2000. I ask them to stand up and they looked at me like I was crazy. The coach then asked me which one would you like to stand up. I choose that one and we went upstairs. Nice body, nice attitude but finished in 35 minutes. I complained and told her no tip. I complained to the boss and she said sorry. Back to he taxi and to he hotel. Bad service and I don't even know the name of the place. So much for trusting taxi service. Another lesson learned.
After dinner on Silom Rd. I decided that since my GF was arriving tomorrow from Bali, that I needed to get laid once more before she arrived. I walked down Silom Rd and came on a small massage shop. 2 cute girls in front. I asked about a Thai massage and she said I was the only customer today so she wanted to give me a good massage. When we got to the room she was very sweet and asked me what else I wanted. I told her I wanted good sex. She was happy to hear that and said that she was horny and took her clothes off. Lubed me up and jumped on top. She was horny and came quickly. We went a few positions and played for awhile but again the condom was just not right. She took it off and gave me a great HJ to cum. 1500 + 300 tip.
Many lessons learned but I guess that is part of paying your dues in BKK. I'll be back in May and prepared better this time. Only a rooky once.
RL.
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Again the industrial grade condoms were not the pleasure I had hoped for so she finished me off with a very professional HJ.
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We went a few positions and played for awhile but again the condom was just not right.
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Many lessons learned but I guess that is part of paying your dues in BKK. I'll be back in May and prepared better this time. Only a rooky once.
RL.Why didn't you buy your own condoms? Every 7/11 has Durex.
Only a rookie once? I don't think so. Even after 10+ years of mongering in SE Asia I still make rookie mistakes sometimes, usually when my dick takes control LOL!
*snip* I decided that since my GF was arriving tomorrow from Bali, that I needed to get laid once more before she arrived. *snip* Only a rookie once.
RL.Rookie my ass, if you have a Bali girlfriend coming to Bangkok! You get no sympathy from me, you lucky dog! TTG.
Had a night in Bangkok before the wife and kids arrived, decided to have some fun in Soi Cowboy. Was staying in the Grand Millenium which is a great location, easy walking distance. Didn't have any issues bringing a girl back through the back entrance.
Started the night strolling up the 'strip' looking for somewhere to start. Went into Baccara which is definitely worth the experience, but was hard for me (as a decent looking middle aged cauc) to catch the eye of any of the 'dancing' girls. The waitresses were very friendly though. Had a drink while enjoying the show, some great talent here, but again very hard to find interested dancers. Upstairs was topless and underwear-less where downstairs they were fully clothed.
Decided to leave for a stroll and was dragged into a bar that I can't even remember the name of. Maybe 5 star or all star? Anyway, it was terrible, mostly just fat girls hustling for lady drinks. Bailed before I could be charged for anything. Headed into afterskool bar where I had quite a few drinks with a girl dressed in black (not the regular schoolgirl uniform, not sure what the difference is.) Anyway she was hot, pretty friendly and I wanted to bust my first nut in Bangkok so went to the 'naughty boy corner' with her. Cost 1000 Baht (didn't negotiate) for a BBJ.
Was a pretty great BJ.
Positives: lots of eye contact from a beautiful girl, groping of tits, pussy and ass allowed and dedication without complaint (took about 20 minutes).
Negatives: not CIM and didn't go particular deep, never past 3 inches.
Definitely a fun experience getting a BJ from a stunner in front of a bunch of strangers, probably overpaid but worth it for me!
After this had a break, got a late dinner, went back into Baccara (more of the same) before going into Doll House which was fully nude, and had some pretty amazing girls dancing (8+'s). Had a drink and had to push some less desirable girls away before catching the eye of a sexy spinner dancing. I raised my drink at her and she finished dancing immediately and came over to me. Had a quick chat, bought her a drink and asked her if she was barfineable. She immediately said yes, 600 B. I asked how much for ST, she said 2500, I said 1500, settled at 2000. Paid the barfine, she got changed and we walked back to the hotel together.
Showered together which was quite the experience, she was very affectionate which was fun. Into the bedroom and the fun begun. Special mention to her DFK which was amazing (and I'm usually not into kissing WGs, but she created the perfect GFE).
Finished up and paid her the 2000 plus a 200 tip and fell happily asleep.
All up the damage for 6 hours of fun (7 pm-1 am) was about 6000 baht, less than 200 USD. This included what's basically a strip club, a lot of drinks, a BJ in a crowded bar and full service with a sexy spinner who gave me the best GFE I've ever had. Bangkok is still truly a fantastic place! (At least for married tourists!
Happy mongering.
We have a three hour layover at BKK airport in the late afternoon. Considering going through immigration and checkin for next flight we got at most 1. 5 hours free time. Is there a massage / soapie nearby that we can manage in this timeframe /?I think that we have been through this before. I did get a HJ in a hotel some years back but that was it. Nothing else available.
I haven't posted in a VERY long time but thought I should as I like to come in here and check up from time to time.
Haven't really been to BKK since 2006 and it seems to have changed a lot. I wasnt fan of Nana Plaza or Cowboy back then and with the prices I have seen around the place, I'm even less likely to now.
I usually stay down in Pattaya where the prices are still more value packed.
However, I did look up the BJ bars on the internet and found out that [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) had some competition around the corner. Its called Kasalong and its literally around the corner from [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900). As you know or if you are a newbie, [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) is off Soi 8, as you are walking down its on the right hand side of the side streets. Just walk to [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) and keep walking and you will turn a corner and see a barber shop and then Kaslong in Green writing. Girls were wearing a blue uniform at the time.
Initially I didn't see any girl that took my fancy and kept walking but then turned around and saw a tall thin cute one walk out of the bar. I instantly snagged her much to the other girls dismay as it didn't appear to be a busy day and I got the impression that this girl is very popular.
Went upstairs to a decent sized room and she went to town. Now usually I can't cum by BJ alone, I usually have to finish myself off but this girl had mad skills. She was also cute as hell and made good eye contact. I must say that the initial cleaning process, I'm not a fan where they wash your junk in the sink and water goes down your legs. Nope.
Anyway took about 20 minutes and she was skilled the whole time, no hurry up or anything and didn't even expect a tip at the end (I gave her 100). Then went downstairs and paid 700. I did notice that there was a time stamp on the piece of paper so I wonder if they use that to tell the guy you pay more because you took longer or its to tell the girls to hurry up.
She was 22. Definitely would repeat if I wasnt going to Pattaya tomorrow. Thats my usual haunt and I will be happy to get back there.
Robert Long
03-04-15, 17:34
Why didn't you buy your own condoms? Every 7/11 has Durex.
Only a rookie once? I don't think so. Even after 10+ years of mongering in SE Asia I still make rookie mistakes sometimes, usually when my dick takes control LOL!I haven't used a condom for years. My GF and business partner in Bali (Indo / Chinese) has taken care of my needs for years. She wanted to go to Siem Reap to see Angkor what and pray. I would never do a WG without a condom and was totally unprepared. Next time I will plan ahead. Looking for the Origami condoms, any in BKK yet?
RL.
We have a three hour layover at BKK airport in the late afternoon. Considering going through immigration and checkin for next flight we got at most 1. 5 hours free time. Is there a massage / soapie nearby that we can manage in this timeframe /?Only thought that comes to mind is the devils den party bus, they say they'll meet you at the airport with 3 girls inside. Its not cheap but you can tell them to drive in a circle and have a gangbang inside the bus, then have them drop you right back off at the airport.
Only thought that comes to mind is the devils den party bus, they say they'll meet you at the airport with 3 girls inside. Its not cheap but you can tell them to drive in a circle and have a gangbang inside the bus, then have them drop you right back off at the airport.Interesting idea thank you. Will run this by my friend.
There are as many opinions on the never ending BKK vs Pattaya debate as there are punters, but anyone who suggests there is not much action in BKK doesn't know what they are taking about. Pattaya is mostly about Go Go's, FL's, and small bars. The town has a crazy relaxed resort feel. BKK is about Go Go's, massage parlors, FL's and night clubs. The city has a distinct modern Thai cosmopolitan cultural feel. There is no telling which destination will be more to you liking before you go and experience them both so your original plan is pretty good. The important thing is no matter how you slice it, 4/6, 6/4, or 5/5; you are going to have a great time. So don't waste your time on over thinking your schedule. I suggest you spend your time in a more productive way by carefully reading the forums going back a year or so. Take notes and write down the establishments that consistently receive high marks from respected ISG'ers. In the Pat forum you will read a lot about Sensations, Baccara, Airport, & Happy Go Go's on Walking Street; LK Metro; Beach Road; & the many small bars on Soi Six. In the BKK forums you will read a lot about Baccara, Crazy House, Suzi Wong Go Go's on Cowboy; Rainbow 4 Go Go in Nana; Nataree, Amsterdam, Lord, & La Belle Soapies; Mango, Cherry, Snow White, EZ, & Bamboo oilies; & Climax on Soi 11. Ignore the extreme negative posts.
I favor BKK over Pattaya because I prefer the big city over the resort town. But that is just my opinion. Actually I dig both places a lot. They seem to compliment each other. So do your homework, then go there, and decide which place you like best. They are both amazing.I am visiting Thailand second time in end of March for ten days (wish it was ten years) LOL I have been reading forum in preparation for my visit and I must say that Natty Bumpo your summarized report is very helpful. Having experience is one thing and efficiently writing about is an art which many people lack. Well done and keep it up Natty Bumpo.
Next time I will plan ahead. Looking for the Origami condoms, any in BKK yet?
RL.I can highly suggest the Japanese Sagami. 01 mm Condom. I have found them on Ebay for about $4 each with shipping. Not cheap, but these are supposed to be the world's thinnest, and they are very thin but seem strong.
I also like the. 02 mm Okamoto condoms at about half the price from Ebay. I used these with a provider who, after she kept touching me down there, said it felt so natural to her that she kept thinking I had pulled it off. I was surprised that she was able to tell, but she loved them.
I can't a tell much difference between the two, but I have never done a comparison test, and I am not sure I am all that sensitive anyway, but both are definitely better than the regular thin condoms sold in the US.
I am stocking up on both of these prior to my trip, hopefully in 6 weeks.
Barfine is 600-800 THB per evening / night. For next time I intend to spend two or three weeks holiday with a bar girl (I know the girl from last visit). How much barfine I have to pay? Is there a discount for so long? Does anyone have experience? -
Thanks for a hint or a recommendation.
Carpaccio18
03-07-15, 13:07
Good advice. In particular, pushy girls will come to you. Do not let the girl choose you. Do not buy her a drink. You have the right to choose which one you want to sit with you. I don't find it that hard to switch girls if I am with the wrong girl. I simply call another girl over for a drink. Sometimes I have been with 2 girls for a period but only BF the one I want. Its really not necessary to switch bars. An totally unwanted girl can be told to go away, if hassling you.
When a girl requests to sit with you, you can say no thanks, or completely ignore an uninvited girl sitting close.
The more pushy the girl, the less I am interested.Your'e absolutely right. You're the customer, you make the choice.
The advice about switching bars is mostly from a couple of experienced I have had, where girl "one" gets upset with girl "two", or even girl "two" will start crying on the way to the hotel and ask me why I sat with girl "one" and not her from the beginning. Messy.
Carpaccio18
03-07-15, 13:20
Thank Syzygies,
Based on your report, Crazy House just made the top of my must-TODO, when I am back in BKK in about a month or so.
Been mostly hanging around Suzie Wong for the naked experience, but the line up there is not as good as it was last year. My all-time favorite Lai disappeared from SW and I don't know where she's working now. The other girls don't seem to know (or willing to tell).
Today Sunday, was best line up of girls ever at Crazy House for my personal taste. That is slim to skinny girls, slim legs, small tits, beautiful but not saggy, not silicone and lacking fake noses. 50% of them naked. The others have no panties under skirt. Very beautiful asses for my taste. If you like big tits, forget it. Not many with that. If you like silicones, again very few. Even fatties in short supply but a couple of more voluptuous types.
A lot of gyrating shaven pussy. Some more shy girls. Cannot find the equal of this, slim young pretty natural girls completely nude, in any other bar that I know of. I haven't checked out any bars in Phat Phong recently.
I like tall No. 05, very slim with cute ass, No. 4 quite pretty, both of these had very small tits. Also No. 35 and 50 and great dancers with tight bodies..
How do the cost of condoms compare in Bangkok versus the US or AMAZON?
So off I went to the Hauy Kwang district after lunch. Got off the MRT and walked around checking out the area. The first is the group of Soapy are The Madame, Nataree, and Emmanuelle. I went into each to check out the stock. The Madame had 5 girls that looked good but a little on the heavy side 1800. Next I went to Nataree and the 10 girls were like vultures all to thin and not very good looking, 2100. Then I went to Emmanuelle. WOW! 50 + cute ladies all cookie cutter cute and great bodies. I ask the boss the price and he shocked me with a 3200 start and up to 6000 for the models.
I went back to The Madame and choose the cutest one, although a good 50 kilos she was nice. Her name is Cee. She was great soup to nuts the best service I had in the 4 days in BKK. The nice surprise was the the cups, once she undressed and started using those wonderful tits, I was sold on her. She took her time and had a great attitude always laughing and making cute noises. Great CBJ and then rinse and on to the bed for a nice session of full sex. Again the industrial grade condoms were not the pleasure I had hoped for so she finished me off with a very professional HJ. Full 2 hrs and I tipped her 300.
Day 3 was not good as I went shopping at MBK and after lunch back to the Patpong area. A street hustler talked me into a Soapy in Patpong. After yesterday I figured why not, that was so good. Well be warned that Patpong is the worst. I went in and picked the best looking body in the fishbowl. She was cute and very sexy. We got to the room and she ask me to lay down in the bathtub and she turned on the cold water and gave a 5 minute soapy. Put her tits in my face and whispered in my ear "don't forget my tip". Dryed me off and layed on the bed and she applied the condom and jumped on. We managed a few positions and I was able to cum do to her very tight pussy. 2000 + 300 tip, 1 hour or less.
Day 4, and it's getting worse. I changed money on Silom Rd and was walking back to catch to Skytrain to go back to Huay Kwang when a Taxi boss asked me where I was going. I told him and he said why pay the train and the MRT so much when his taxi for 200 would take me around all afternoon to find the best place and wait for me to bring me back to my hotel. Made sense to me..Robert Long,
300 tip after paying 2000 is ridiculous. No more than than 100 RMB if you must tip. I usually just tell them the tip is included in the 2000. The girls are always fine with that answer.
How do the cost of condoms compare in Bangkok versus the US or AMAZON?Cost of condoms in Bangkok:
http://www.bangkokcomplementaryhealth.com/Condom-Packs.html
Like in the USA, cost might be slightly cheaper or slightly more expensive at 7-11 or pharmacies; but the difference shouldn't be too significant.
I will say that the guy running the Turkish Kebab cart outside of Nana makes amazing food. 60 baht kebabs and 2 make a great meal. Far better than a burger.
Robert Long
03-08-15, 07:06
Robert Long,
300 tip after paying 2000 is ridiculous. No more than than 100 RMB if you must tip. I usually just tell them the tip is included in the 2000. The girls are always fine with that answer.Ok Cheap Charlie, but $10.00 is nothing to me and it means a lot to her. These girls remember the guys that treat them well. I'm from a tipping society that realizes that a small gratuity is appreciated. I tip well everywhere. It's all about Karma. I've been fortunate in life so why not treat others well?
Aloha RL.
Uncle Volodya
03-08-15, 07:37
I am visiting Thailand second time in end of March for ten days (wish it was ten years) LOL I have been reading forum in preparation for my visit and I must say that Natty Bumpo your summarized report is very helpful. Having experience is one thing and efficiently writing about is an art which many people lack. Well done and keep it up Natty Bumpo.Natty summed it up very nicely.
I love both too. Patts is cheaper and easier to navigate. So I prefer it for holiday if I just want to relax and not worry too much about what I want to do on any given day. For a longer stay or for a place to live I am pretty sure I'd like BK much better as it's a real International city with much to offer.
But why not hit both and decide for yourself?
Ok Cheap Charlie, but $10.00 is nothing to me and it means a lot to her. These girls remember the guys that treat them well. I'm from a tipping society that realizes that a small gratuity is appreciated. I tip well everywhere. It's all about Karma. I've been fortunate in life so why not treat others well?
Aloha RL.You just don't get it. Cheap Charlie, Karma, Fortunate, Treat others well.
If you are so fortunate, go to the erotic review in whatever city you are in. I can promise you they will have Thai women for you. Show them you aren't a Cheap Charlie, you have Karma, you are Fortunate, and you treat others well.
We don't need you driving up the prices in Thailand because you are fortunate, because most of us are not.
Ok Cheap Charlie, but $10.00 is nothing to me and it means a lot to her. These girls remember the guys that treat them well. I'm from a tipping society that realizes that a small gratuity is appreciated. I tip well everywhere. It's all about Karma. I've been fortunate in life so why not treat others well?
Aloha RL.Being from a tipping society doesn't mean that you have to throw around money with your home standards.
I apply local standards, so I wouldn't tip a daily minimum wage of the place because hey, others have to work a long day for that amount!
For Thailand that's THB 300 (or has it risen again?
Dee
Cost of condoms in Bangkok:
http://www.bangkokcomplementaryhealth.com/Condom-Packs.html
Like in the USA, cost might be slightly cheaper or slightly more expensive at 7-11 or pharmacies; but the difference shouldn't be too significant.I would be seriously worried if one needs to start browsing through the net to search for the cheapest condom.
After the "where do we get the best exchange rate" (to change maybe 200 bucks) are we now heading into "where to find the cheapest condom"?
If the price of condom is a concern. OMG, people should stay home, DIY (bit don't wash hands as also soap comes with a cost).
LOL.
Llantarnam
03-08-15, 11:15
So off I went to the Hauy Kwang district after lunch. Got off the MRT and walked around checking out the area. The first is the group of Soapy are The Madame, Nataree, and Emmanuelle.
RL.Never been to this area of town.
Are these places easy to find?
Tiradentes
03-08-15, 14:07
Never been to this area of town.
Are these places easy to find?They are only easy to find IF you take the right exit from MRT. If not, then you will be going in the opposite direction and not even realizing (happened to me the first time). If memory serves me right, take EXIT 3 at Hauy Kwang. Emmanualle is just 100 meters walk to your right. You can't miss as it is a huge building with its own billboard at its entrance. Nataree is next door. If you continue for another 450 meters or so down the street - take another right- you will get to Lord spa. Walk further down the street, you will find Colonze II.
Across the big and heavily traveled avenue from Emanualle, there is another luxurious establishment. Is it Ceasars?
Although the MRT is easy to use (announcements and signs are in english & Thai), it gets too crowded during rush hour (3 pm to 9 pm?) . I had to wait on a number occasions for another train in order to get onboard after the first one came. Be ready to shove and push for ingress and egress.
Ralph Kramden
03-08-15, 14:39
They are only easy to find IF you take the right exit from MRT. If not, then you will be going in the opposite direction and not even realizing (happened to me the first time). If memory serves me right, take EXIT 3 at Hauy Kwang. Emmanualle is just 100 meters walk to your right. You can't miss as it is a huge building with its own billboard at its entrance. Nataree is next door. If you continue for another 450 meters or so down the street - take another right- you will get to Lord spa. Walk further down the street, you will find Colonze II.
Across the big and heavily traveled avenue from Emanualle, there is another luxurious establishment. Is it Ceasars?
Although the MRT is easy to use (announcements and signs are in english & Thai), it gets too crowded during rush hour (3 pm to 9 pm?) . I had to wait on a number occasions for another train in order to get onboard after the first one came. Be ready to shove and push for ingress and egress.Use the exit marked "Emerald Hotel". As you emerge Nataree and the others will be to your right and Ceasars across the street to your left. The right hand side of the street is obviously the best place to shop. I would visit Ceasars only if there were absolutely nothing available in the other shops, but that won't be the case.
Robert Long
03-08-15, 19:05
You just don't get it. Cheap Charlie, Karma, Fortunate, Treat others well.
If you are so fortunate, go to the erotic review in whatever city you are in. I can promise you they will have Thai women for you. Show them you aren't a Cheap Charlie, you have Karma, you are Fortunate, and you treat others well.
We don't need you driving up the prices in Thailand because you are fortunate, because most of us are not.So you feel that giving a woman 300 is a lot for 90 minutes of pleasure? But if you go to a club a beer and a LD is 300. And you say I am driving up the prices? Then you must pay a BF and negotiate with the WG for how much she wants? Dude, where is your report that shows lower prices for the same service?
Respectfully.
RL.
Although the MRT is easy to use (announcements and signs are in english & Thai), it gets too crowded during rush hour (3 pm to 9 pm?) . I had to wait on a number occasions for another train in order to get onboard after the first one came. Be ready to shove and push for ingress and egress.Also a great time for pickpockets, keep your valuables safe until you exit.
Llantarnam
03-08-15, 20:23
Use the exit marked "Emerald Hotel". As you emerge Nataree and the others will be to your right and Ceasars across the street to your left. The right hand side of the street is obviously the best place to shop. I would visit Ceasars only if there were absolutely nothing available in the other shops, but that won't be the case.Thanks for the directions.
Are these all soapy massage places?
Wolvenvacht
03-08-15, 20:39
We don't need you driving up the prices in Thailand because you are fortunate, because most of us are not.Please, as if one man giving a tip for good services is going to ruin the market.
Besides, since tips come after the service is provided, they cannot drive up the price of the service itself. If anything, they may even keep the price of the service lower as (perhaps) the girls start to expect a tip and thus lure you in by agreeing a lower basic price (and getting a fat tip).
Wolvenvacht
03-08-15, 20:42
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Although the MRT is easy to use (announcements and signs are in english & Thai), it gets too crowded during rush hour (3 pm to 9 pm?) . I had to wait on a number occasions for another train in order to get onboard after the first one came. Be ready to shove and push for ingress and egress.Pushing and shoving? Did you ever take a Paris metro? That is pushing and shoving!
I spent a short week in Bangkok, staying at the Sofitel Sukhumvit (see report in Bangkok hotels tread).
I found Nana Plaza and the surrounding areas good, but not fantastic. Mostly availed myself of the freelancer there. Found three deaf girls and went with one of them. I was hoping for an soft, somehow different experience. She behaved sweetly, but it was a little hurried.
Had a look at Annie's massage near Nana Plaza, and found the talent surprisingly bad. I probably arrived too late, but still I was shocked.
I had some nice experiences with SWs from along Sukhumvit. Price range 1000-2000 baht, so cheaper than other options. During some period of the night loads of miniature bars pop up along Sukhumvit, basically a hand trolley with some booze standing on it. Very many of them have attractive girls sitting at them trying to lure you to sit down. This is a (mild) trick to get you to buy a drink in the hope of getting the girl to go with you, but normally she won't. The proper street walkers are usually not sitting at a bar, but standing or sitting on the curb or something like that.
I found Patpong not that great. Parts of it are heavily dominated by ladyboys and / or gays (bless them for stepping aside and improving the female-male supply-demand balance in our favour, but it is not what I am looking for). But there are a few go go bars with very attractive girls there.
Soi Cowboy has a lot of action in little space. I particularly enjoyed one bar. I think it may be called Crazy House or something like that. It is outside the actual Soi Cowboy alley. To get there you have to walk to the bottom of the alley and take a right and walk about 20 feet. There are a lot of girls on stage there, most of them all nude. I am not that interested in strip shows. But this is different. There are also a lot of customers. The girls are rowdy and provocative and there is a lot of interaction with customers. The result is a continuous wild party atmosphere. You may think it is a rip off, but it is worth buying 2-3 lady drinks just for the hell of it, at least when I girl gives you the eye, a little show or approaches you. The girls appreciate it, and it is nice to have a totally naked lady rubbing up against oneself. Once you buy one or two girls a drink, the others will notice it and start to give you positive attention too.
I actually found the Bangkok girls quite loving and am not sure sure of the conventional wisdom that Thais are more professional and Pinoys more loving. Now I think more of Pinoys as scheming / demanding and Thais as honest / loving. I had two girls stay overnight with me, something I usually don't go for, but they were just such cuddly kittens.
Bangkok is not a particularly cheap mongering destination. If you stick strictly to street walkers it can be cheap, but selection (that I saw) will be limited. There are many attractive girls in the go go bars, but you end up paying 2500-4500 baht (lady drink + bar fine + girl's fee + short time hotel + tip), especially if you want to save time and go for a short time room so that you can come back quickly and do more girls.
I found that some of the girls would have one or two kids and still almost no impact on their bodies or pussies. In the end I stopped speculating about whether they had had kids or not.
In my limited experience, when Thai girls enjoy DATY, they arch their backs and raise their hips into the air.
Thai food is spectacular.
I used condoms strictly for all penetrative sex, but did go for BBBJs. Somehow I managed to contract something, probably chlamydia (I though gonorrhoea, but doc says it would hurt more). So now I have white puss dripping from my dick, waiting for test results and taking antibiotics. I always operate this way, am an experienced monger and have never had trouble like this before. I encourage others to also report similar problems so that we can all have an objective picture of risks and problems. I am still not going to stop mongering.
Please, as if one man giving a tip for good services is going to ruin the market.
Besides, since tips come after the service is provided, they cannot drive up the price of the service itself. If anything, they may even keep the price of the service lower as (perhaps) the girls start to expect a tip and thus lure you in by agreeing a lower basic price (and getting a fat tip).That's Western logic. Thais don't think that way. Once a Thai gal gets more money, be it in a tip or whatever, all of the sudden that is what she believes she is worth and if she does not get a "tip" then it is a loss of face.
So you feel that giving a woman 300 is a lot for 90 minutes of pleasure? But if you go to a club a beer and a LD is 300. And you say I am driving up the prices? Then you must pay a BF and negotiate with the WG for how much she wants? Dude, where is your report that shows lower prices for the same service?
Respectfully.
RL.
Please, as if one man giving a tip for good services is going to ruin the market.
Besides, since tips come after the service is provided, they cannot drive up the price of the service itself. If anything, they may even keep the price of the service lower as (perhaps) the girls start to expect a tip and thus lure you in by agreeing a lower basic price (and getting a fat tip).
That's Western logic. Thais don't think that way. Once a Thai gal gets more money, be it in a tip or whatever, all of the sudden that is what she believes she is worth and if she does not get a "tip" then it is a loss of face.This has nothing to do with the OP's 300 B tip. I wasn't there. It may have been worth every sateng. But the ensuing debate brings up some interesting philosophical questions.
The biggest single annoying thing that my fellow Americans, and I have been as guilty as the rest, is this annoying habit of tipping everybody within earshot. As I said before, tipping is like some sort of economic Ebola. It infects everything it touches and, in this case, can't be cured.
You can always tell a country where lots of Yanks visit. Everybody in the area has their hands out constantly. Tip the waiter. Tip the busboy. Tip the doorman. Tip the bathroom fairy, err, attendant. Tip the cabbie. Tip the masseuse. This is learned behavior, because this practice simply does not exist in most countries. Guess who taught them? Instead of resulting in better service, the locals too often simply see it as "free money. " These guys are so rich they throw around money for nothing. I'm going to get me some!
Generally speaking, Thais don't tip much, and few expect to be tipped. If a price for a cab is negotiated, that's what is paid. If using the meter, they'll often round up to the nearest 10 baht, or so. However, I have seen them count things to the exact baht. In restaurants without a service fee the tip usually amounts to a few baht. Pricier establishments usually get larger tips, but 15% - 20%, as in the States? No way. If you have lunch and drinks at some ultra-local mom and pop joint, and are presented with a bill that is unbelievably cheap, the Yank's first instinct is to tip well. And it's often perceived as an insult. You've just told the guy he's too f*cking stupid to price his wares properly and he didn't charge you enough. And this is the exact same lesson many of the service providers take away from this. I'm not charging enough. For a chuckle, imagine a Thai girl demanding a X00 Baht tip from a Thai man. (Before anybody flames me, I understand that massage may be a grey area, because sometimes the masseuse gets nothing from the house and must rely on a "tip" but that's really not the point of my ramblings, nor is it a "tip" in the true sense of the word).
It's not that tipping doesn't exist in places like Thailand, or Mexico, just to name a couple. (The two societies are strikingly similar in many aspects). It's that it tends to be more rare and far more culturally nuanced than in the States. There are no hard and fast rules, and much seems to be based upon the recipient's social status. A 2-week millionaire is never going to learn the ropes. So, IMHO, it's better to tip sparingly, or not at all, than it is to throw tips at all and sundry. It kinda reminds me of the tourists who run around and wai everybody in sight. I guess they mean well, but it indicates they are too lazy to try to learn a bit about the prevailing culture.
If you have lunch and drinks at some ultra-local mom and pop joint, and are presented with a bill that is unbelievably cheap, the Yank's first instinct is to tip well. And it's often perceived as an insult. You've just told the guy he's too f*cking stupid to price his wares properly and he didn't charge you enough.Do you have specific evidence that a high tip in a mom-and-pop restaurant is often seen as an insult in Thailand? Or is this just your speculation? I'm not really sure which, but am curious.
Cost of condoms in Bangkok:
http://www.bangkokcomplementaryhealth.com/Condom-Packs.html
Like in the USA, cost might be slightly cheaper or slightly more expensive at 7-11 or pharmacies; but the difference shouldn't be too significant.Thank you for your response.
Thanks for the directions.
Are these all soapy massage places?There are 3 seperate threads for the massage parlors. Check them out for all your questions.
I actually found the Bangkok girls quite loving and am not sure sure of the conventional wisdom that Thais are more professional and Pinoys more loving. Now I think more of Pinoys as scheming / demanding and Thais as honest / loving. I had two girls stay overnight with me, something I usually don't go for, but they were just such cuddly kittens.I think it's safe to say that Thai girls are more professional and Pinays more loving, IN GENERAL. Of course there are very loving Thais and very professional Pinays as well. I guess you were just lucky to pick only loving Thais. If you go there more often you will come across the hardened pro's every now and then. And the starfishes.
By the way: Pinoys are the male variant and Pinays the female variant.
Wolvenvacht
03-09-15, 08:23
That's Western logic. Thais don't think that way. Once a Thai gal gets more money, be it in a tip or whatever, all of the sudden that is what she believes she is worth and if she does not get a "tip" then it is a loss of face.Maybe, but only Thai can properly understand Thai logic, yet I still don't think tipping will increase the basic price.
Wolvenvacht
03-09-15, 08:31
Do you have specific evidence that a high tip in a mom-and-pop restaurant is often seen as an insult in Thailand? Or is this just your speculation? I'm not really sure which, but am curious.It sounds logical, but it is just not happening. Those high-tipping Americans hardly if ever make it to the non-touristy mom&pop restaurant somewhere in a small village.
And "simple" restaurants in touristy areas know by now how to gracefully accept a tip.
I travel through Thailand with my Thai GF and the most I have seen her tipping is perhaps 20 baht on top of the small change.
Beijing4987
03-09-15, 08:53
Pushing and shoving? Did you ever take a Paris metro? That is pushing and shoving!
The Paris Metro is tame compared to the Beijing Metro or even walking on the sidewalk in Beijing. People or bicyclists will head straight at you and act surprised or pissed that you did not get out if "their" space. Also, try getting in line to buy a metro ticket in Beijing sometime.
Travel Lucid
03-09-15, 16:26
I am in BKK for a few days, one of which where I need to work for 4-5 hrs or so during the day. Rather than stay in my hotel room, I would like a spa or high end massage place. I am thinking a bit along the lines of Macau or some places in KL. So where were I can be left alone or get a massage and / whatever.
Suggestions gratefully received.
TL.
I visited Som's haven three times in my recent trip.
It's my custom to just accept the first in the queue. I find this better than basically telling everyone I did not select that I did not take them because they weighed more than I do and had pus-oozing sores on their lips. The drawback is that, at least in my case, often the first in the queue weighs more than I do and has pus-oozing sores on her lips. Something went wrong this time and I ended up with Amy (sp?) A reasonably cute and, as far as I could tell, pus-free provider. She did appear to have a tourist map of Angkor what tattooed on her upper back, but I assume this was a requirement for a previous long term bar fine as the punter was heading there and this seemed like an excellent way to study the layout while otherwise engaged.
Up we went to the room. After a good scrubbing at the sink we took our positions on and in front of the couch. As I was getting the second washing with the moist towelettes I noted that the room had a Star Wars theme to it, a mural across from me depicting Princess Leia kneeling in front of Jabba the Hutt. The odd thing was that Princess Leia had what appeared to be a mirror image of a tourist map of Angkor what tattooed upon her upper back. Hey, wait a minute.
Okay, that mirror crap may work well for some punters, but do I really need to stare at myself in all my horror while I'm trying to focus on things in hand or mouth? At least get one of those convex or concave I cannot remember which (takes time out to try to bend the hotel mirror, comes back with seven years of bad luck) ones that make you look skinny. Maybe put a magnifier on it so that certain areas are enlarged. I'm looking for the "Death Camp Survivor With Donkey Penis Grafted On" look.
The room had three times as many mirrors as my entire house has.
But this isn't really as bad as it could be as I generally keep my eyes closed during these activities, either in sheer bliss or just to avoid looking at those pus oozing sores or whatever. So I settled back and tried to forget that Jabba was staring at me.
Amy's technique was remarkably good, with one glitch. First the good. She started out with a lot of attention to the low hanging fruit. So much so that I felt vaguely guilty and vowed to investigate ball shaving. Then I thought of my poor, hairless, frozen balls as I took a leak outside back home at sub zero temperatures, plus figured it was payback for my early days when DATY was somewhat like an Amazon Jungle expedition, hacking through the thick Bush in search of the source, finding treasures like a previous explorer's dental bridge along the way. Ah, yes, That '70's Show!
But back to the glitch. There were a LOT of tissue sounds, like she was emptying out tissue cartons as a side job. Things would be going exceptionally well, then there would be a pause as she would draw another ten percent of a rain forest from the box, shake out the dental bridges, and wipe my privates. I would have looked to see what the hell was going on, but I knew Jabba was still there and if I thought tissue sounds were distracting, Jabba would lead to a catastrophic collapse of the tower that Amy was working so hard on. Weirdly, when the act was finished we were not ass-deep in tissues, so I'm a little confused.
Amy's technique is one of the more gentle ones I've experienced. Very little hard squeezing either with mouth or hand. Kind of a nice change, certainly from when I am practicing and even with most other providers. Eventually a happy conclusion was reached, though largely through hand-and-oil therapy, but that is par for my course even when not solo. I tend to be a difficult customer.
On a final note of weirdness, on the way out she did the cashiering as the desk was unstaffed. I've always had the mamasan take care of that. Maybe she was doing double duty?
On the next visit Amy did not appear to be there, so again luck of the draw, and ANOTHER score! I actually looked around a bit, trying to recognize the top of Amy's head, and found the scoring odds were pretty good: One of the better looking BJ bar lineups I've seen. Next in queue was Nok, so up we went. I was relieved that in our pleasure den I would be looking not at Jabba, but instead at a very tasteful sink and shower.
Tasteful, yes. Functional, no. There was a hand-scrawled note in the sink that apparently said, "No water", or, "Drain plugged by cum-filled condom", or, "We want to see the fat guy run naked down the hall. ".
I'm guessing the last, because they got their wish. I was hustled out the door and down to the next room, where, of course, Jabba the Hutt was waiting. Crap! I can't get away from this guy! There followed a vigorous scrubbing and buffing of the dirty parts, followed by a panicky, balls-a-flapping dash back to our room when footsteps approached the door to the hallway.
Nok was different in style from Amy, more the conventional, firmer, persistent head bobber after some very good initial work on the barely settled back down balls. Essentially, I got a third ball bath, this time cat-style. There were no rain forests felled this time, maybe because SOMEONE had run them out of tissues or something. I would definitely repeat with either of the young ladies if I could just recognize the tops of their heads in the lineup.
And then it had to happen: The first failure to launch of the trip. My luck ran out with a vengeance. The First in Queue was a rotund thing. I came very close to turning her down. We both would have been a lot happier forty minutes later. Predictably, I got Jabba the Hutt's room again. This time, though, instead of Princess Leia between his legs (assuming he has legs. In this case he did), there was perhaps his sister, or being charitable, a first cousin or something. And Sis / Cousin seemed pretty eager for the act to be done, getting quite vocal, "You come now! About it rather early. The technique started out well, but it degenerated pretty quickly into the classic suck-tug-suck. As an aside, do most guys like having very sharp nails dragged across their sensitive parts? Nipples pinched almost to bleeding? It didn't really do it for me. Also, what sort of an a*hole whistles while he's getting a blow job?
I think the quintessential moment was when we ran out of oil and she had to go somewhere in another province to get more. It was a l-o-and-g, ultimately fruitless session.
Final note: Yes, I know it is not Angkor WHAT. I can't get it to spell correctly.
Yes, the MRT and BTS get crowded. So does the Paris Metro. I am vaguely haphephobic (dislike of being touched) but I cope with it by looking for a brighter side. On the way home from Dr. BJ's I was treated to a delightfully busty and conveniently short little thing standing at my ten o'clock position on the Skytrain. It was a packed car. My back was against the door and a farang in a suit was pressed in front of me, prison sex style. I am really glad that, being an old dude, I had not yet recharged from EE's draining, or it could have been very awkward. Instead I could stare down on the beautiful valley and the bronze hills with no fear of learning what a whole different form of A+ was like. Little Miss Cleavage was way too interested in her phone to look around behind her, so I was safe, and, as a bonus, determined that she had some really hot girlfriends. More reasons to be thankful for the quality work of half an hour earlier.
The poor guy in the suit, however, while also quite aware of the scenic view, had to look hard to his left, even a little behind him, to get a good ogle. A lot like sitting in an aisle seat in a tour bus: You know the view is there, but to see it you would have to be rude. A lot like that, but with the added possibility of unwanted surprise sex from behind. He still tried, and got caught. Twice. I would love to have been able to read what she was texting her hot friend: "OMG there is a perv totally staring down my shirt! A gross, sweaty farang! I would pull my dick out and wave it at him, but the guy in front is in a suit and kind of cute!
I think I just ruined one of my fondest memories by writing that.
I paid three visits to the. BJ's. There were several decent lookers in the mob that followed me in the door the first time, but I had a mission: I was looking for the legendary Consultant EE. The reviews here speak glowingly of her but warned of a very bad boob job. The idea of being trapped in literally a cage with mutant boobs was daunting. I have a high Boob Standard as a result of some good upbringing. When I was just a wee lad of maybe eight I bought some of those tiny binoculars-on-a-keychain that had delightful pictures in them. Kudos to my parents for not asking for a detailed accounting of my allowance money. The featured young lady was definitely not a local girl. This was easy to determine because she was blonde and the locals were either Arabs or blacks. Yes, eight year olds could buy porn in Sudan, but try selling that stuff to them in one of those modern, progressive, western countries and you'll find surprise morning sex isn't half as enjoyable when you're incarcerated. Score one for Islam.
The mysterious blonde woman was a fortuitous find for my first post-nursing tit sighting. It was a near thing, though: Just months later we went on a trip though East Africa and I observed many more bare breasts, but I knew by then that things that looked like bowling pins, almost dragging nipples when the noble Masai women bent over, were not the gold standard for bosoms, regardless of how convenient it was to be able to toss one over a shoulder for the baby on the back to suckle.
Twenty years later I saw the picture of the comely blonde lass again, in a back issue of a popular men's magazine: The Sweetheart of the Month, Marilyn Monroe, in the iconic shot with the red background.
A non-topless EE is really a sight to see. Easily in the top ten of BJ providers I've had. While a BJ is itself supposed to be foreplay, I found foreplay to foreplay: Following her up the stairs. With her high heels, the steep stairs, and my average height I found myself staring right up a microskirt at the most amazing intergluteal cleft, more technically referred to as butt-crack, with the sacred orifice hidden by a glorified shoestring. Sadly, the hallowed ground is supposedly off limits, but one can fantasize. Or maybe even ask next time.
The performance was good. Nothing really wrong, but no standout technique either. Some good attention to the sack, but also some hokey moaning. Really? You're getting off on stroking a cock? I do it all the time and don't moan. Well, not much. Okay, at least I'm rarely heard next door.
For the next two visits I took the plunge for the VIP Service in the VIP Room. The website listed a 1000 baht surcharge for VIP Service. I thought that meant the VIP room. No, it means a one hour FS cage match in the regular cages. Frankly I'm far from sure I could manage satisfactory FS in the cage: Does the chair recline all the way? Bend-her-over-the-sink doggie would be an option, but I figure I'd last twenty minutes before either slipping in my own sweat and breaking my neck or having a fatal heart attack.
Another 1000 gets you twice as long in the VIP room. So 3 K for two hours. Not by any means a bargain, but a lot depends on the company you take up there. Besides, I would die in much nicer surroundings, and knowing that the bastards were going to have a hell of a time getting my fat ass down those fifty or sixty flights of stairs (my estimate) that I had to climb to get there. Okay, in all truth they would likely just lob me out the window, but hopefully that idea would escape me as I drew my dying breath. With any luck I'd hit one of those pricks walking at a snail's pace while glued to their phone.
Miss EE was as lovely as ever, but I knew the twins (or maybe not twins. That could be the problem) were to be released. They were. I peeked. I did not turn to stone. They are not nearly as bad as I had feared. With a nipple in your mouth they feel and look fine. The next day I managed to uncross my eyes.
As mentioned in earlier posts, the VIP room is actually a studio apartment. Lots of room. A nice touch is the towels all wrapped in plastic, implying that no one had actually wiped their ass with them since they were washed. My towels at the Hilton have never been wrapped like that. I'll never trust that chain again. The bed is big I think a king, begging for multiple occupancy. Most importantly, there is good air conditioning which was a damned good thing after those eighty flights of stairs (my new estimate). A defibrillator would have been spiffy, as well.
After the shower and a brief discussion of rodents (no not in the room) (well, yes, the discussion was in the room, but not the subject rodents) (as far as I know), we were off to explore the bed's acreage. Things started out well with the eponymous BJ, then got ugly with the brandishing of the condom. This is getting old. So am I. Probably time for medications. But EE was not deterred and displayed an amazing repertoire of positions, culminating with the old standby, 69. Happy endings came to both players, though that mattress is probably still drying from the sweat. I suggest another week before following my footsteps.
The price and the stairs were pretty steep, but not outlandish. The two hours would be overkill (probably literally) for me if it were not for EE's good English. Quite a pleasure to talk to between gasps.
My last visit, the night before I left for AC, featured the same solid service and a lot of talking. There was one of those awkward, ". And I choke on my reply. I'd rather hurt you honestly than mislead you with a lie. " moments when she wondered why she didn't have a boyfriend.
Nah! Just kidding! I don't have a sentimental bone in my body. I deftly dodged the query with double talk, avoiding mentioning things like her career choice. I pointed out that I've had one girlfriend: it lasted six weeks and it took several years to get rid of her. Hopefully she won't think into this too much. On the surface it sounds fine, but then she's sitting there looking at this porky, sweat dripping loser and thinking maybe that is not really a path she wants to follow.
It was the only time I've ever wished for a non-English speaking provider. I don't think she was exploring the sponsor possibility as I would have thought that my probably ill-advised answer that divulged my availability would have been pounced on, "Oh, you don't have a girlfriend? I have an idea. ".
Over all, highly recommended. Yes, you could have skipped all this BS and just read the last line.
Do you have specific evidence that a high tip in a mom-and-pop restaurant is often seen as an insult in Thailand? Or is this just your speculation? I'm not really sure which, but am curious.
It sounds logical, but it is just not happening. Those high-tipping Americans hardly if ever make it to the non-touristy mom&pop restaurant somewhere in a small village.
And "simple" restaurants in touristy areas know by now how to gracefully accept a tip.
I travel through Thailand with my Thai GF and the most I have seen her tipping is perhaps 20 baht on top of the small change.Well, I don't have Arlo Guthrie's 8 x 10 glossies. But I do have a fair amount of anecdotal evidence, and a bit of logic.
I've caught myself doing it, I. E. Looking at the low price, figuring the money was nothing to me but a lot to this poor restaurateur, and began to leave a generous tip. In one case I was with a friend (non-bg, upper-middle-class, plenty of her own money) who, to blatantly steal a phrase from one of my favorite movies, looked at me as if I had lobsters coming out of my ears. She, in no uncertain terms, made me take the tip back and leave a few coins. In other instances I watched the other locals, who tipped nothing or very tiny amounts.
So, let's say you're upcountry, for instance, and presented with your bill at the mom-and-pop som tam joint. In a culture where tipping isn't done. Logic would indicate that forking over substantially more than the restaurant's price can easily be construed as the high-and-mighty white man tossing money to the poor, benighted brown man. We see it differently, they very likely don't.
Now, to address the cultural nuances of the above paragraph, imagine that you are, instead of a farang tourist, a rich and famous Thai pop star, or a member of the royal family. You would probably tip very large, and it would probably be gratefully accepted. Because that's the way royalty works in this not-too-far-removed-from-feudal society. The king bestows gifts on his subjects because that's what a king (or rich boss, or whatever) does. However, you, as the rich farang, are not part of the cultural "food chain. ".
Mr. Wolf is correct; the average farang tourist isn't going to make it past Pattaya, so probably won't be patronizing any seriously local joints. I, too, watch my Thai GF when we go to local places upcountry. And, yes, the tips range from 0 baht to perhaps 20 baht.
I guess my overall gripe is that tipping is such an ingrained part of the American psyche, and it's such a hard habit to break. And Americans have been criticized, with good reason, for throwing around money like it's going out of style. I think the Chinese may have taken over that dubious honor these days. It reminds me of an anecdote from Pappy Boyington's autobiography. He was in Burma, IIRC, and had an extremely filthy and muddy pair of flight boots. He had a young gofer who ran errands, cleaned the tents, etc. , and he asked him to clean his boots. He spent all day cleaning them and apparently did a good job. He gave the kid $1. (It was nothing to him, and meant a lot to the kid). Later the boy's father showed up very angry. He assumed that the kid's father was angry because he hadn't paid enough. Turns out that he was angry because Mr. Be had paid far too much, more than the father could earn in a (week / month I don't remember), and the father could no longer discipline his boy because the boy had lost much respect for the father. His (and my) point is that tossing around the almighty dollar doesn't always make everybody happy.
Robert Long
03-09-15, 19:17
It sounds logical, but it is just not happening. Those high-tipping Americans hardly if ever make it to the non-touristy mom&pop restaurant somewhere in a small village.
And "simple" restaurants in touristy areas know by now how to gracefully accept a tip.
I travel through Thailand with my Thai GF and the most I have seen her tipping is perhaps 20 baht on top of the small change.Indonesia has a "service charge" on checks, they also have a tax, usually 21% for both. But there is a dividing line where most "local style eating joints" don't charge the 2 taxes. I also doubt that the employees get the service charge either.
I have noticed that in all Hotels, the bellboys that bring your bags to the room, wait for a tip. Some Taxi guys do and some don't. Every lady I entertained asked for a tip so I assume that a gratuity is expected.
RL.
Harry Dude
03-09-15, 19:47
Oosik -.
I am really enjoying your prose. It's been a while since I've seen such creative writing here. Please keep those reports coming.
I paid three visits to the. BJ's.....
Wolvenvacht
03-09-15, 20:38
Indonesia ( . . . )
I have noticed that in all Hotels, the bellboys that bring your bags to the room, wait for a tip. Some Taxi guys do and some don't. Every lady I entertained asked for a tip so I assume that a gratuity is expected.
RL.I assume that you are talking about hotel bellhops and taxis and ladies in Indonesia because none of them have done that to me in Thailand.
Indonesia has a "service charge" on checks, they also have a tax, usually 21% for both. But there is a dividing line where most "local style eating joints" don't charge the 2 taxes. I also doubt that the employees get the service charge either.
I have noticed that in all Hotels, the bellboys that bring your bags to the room, wait for a tip. Some Taxi guys do and some don't. Every lady I entertained asked for a tip so I assume that a gratuity is expected.
RL.Thailand has a VAT, which should be included in the price of the food / service. Sometimes it's not. The higher-end places often add a service charge. I, too, suspect the wait staff may not get the service charges, but have no way to prove it. But, these days, with help in such short supply, it's probably not in the owner's best interest to screw the wait staff too badly. My biggest single objection to a service charge is that it tends to be pooled among the staff. Standout service and indifferent service are rewarded equally. Much like socialism in general, it breeds mediocrity. But that's far off topic.
If you're talking about Thai bellhops, ladies, etc. , I've never seen that activity outside of farang-centric areas. I have never had a Thai taxi driver ask for a tip, at least not a "regular" one I've picked up on the street. I'll admit that one of my failings is overtipping taxis. If I had to sit for hours, struggling with BKK traffic, I'd be on the front page of the BKK Post, branded as the Farang Axe Murder. So, on trips from / to the airport, long trips, etc. , I will tip more than normal, but I don't think it's ever been more than 100 baht.
With the ladies, the only time I can recall a tip being discussed was with rather "experienced" bar girls who obviously learned it from another farang. But that was a very rare occurrence. The price agreed upon is the price paid. A large gratuity is definitely not expected, nor is it the norm. Exceptions exist for massages, as the house-to-girl payment structure is highly variable. (To illustrate, in Mexico the club girls deal with LOTS of Americans. Almost every girl will ask for a tip above and beyond the negotiated price. Why? Americans tip.).
Well, I don't have Arlo Guthrie's 8 x 10 glossies. But I do have a fair amount of anecdotal evidence, and a bit of logic.
I've caught myself doing it, I. E. Looking at the low price, figuring the money was nothing to me but a lot to this poor restaurateur, and began to leave a generous tip. In one case I was with a friend (non-bg, upper-middle-class, plenty of her own money) who, to blatantly steal a phrase from one of my favorite movies, looked at me as if I had lobsters coming out of my ears. She, in no uncertain terms, made me take the tip back and leave a few coins. In other instances I watched the other locals, who tipped nothing or very tiny amounts.
So, let's say you're upcountry, for instance, and presented with your bill at the mom-and-pop som tam joint. In a culture where tipping isn't done. Logic would indicate that forking over substantially more than the restaurant's price can easily be construed as the high-and-mighty white man tossing money to the poor, benighted brown man. We see it differently, they very likely don't.
Now, to address the cultural nuances of the above paragraph, imagine that you are, instead of a farang tourist, a rich and famous Thai pop star, or a member of the royal family. You would probably tip very large, and it would probably be gratefully accepted. Because that's the way royalty works in this not-too-far-removed-from-feudal society. The king bestows gifts on his subjects because that's what a king (or rich boss, or whatever) does. However, you, as the rich farang, are not part of the cultural "food chain. ".
Mr. Wolf is correct; the average farang tourist isn't going to make it past Pattaya, so probably won't be patronizing any seriously local joints. I, too, watch my Thai GF when we go to local places upcountry. And, yes, the tips range from 0 baht to perhaps 20 baht.
I guess my overall gripe is that tipping is such an ingrained part of the American psyche, and it's such a hard habit to break. And Americans have been criticized, with good reason, for throwing around money like it's going out of style. I think the Chinese may have taken over that dubious honor these days. It reminds me of an anecdote from Pappy Boyington's autobiography. He was in Burma, IIRC, and had an extremely filthy and muddy pair of flight boots. He had a young gofer who ran errands, cleaned the tents, etc. , and he asked him to clean his boots. He spent all day cleaning them and apparently did a good job. He gave the kid $1. (It was nothing to him, and meant a lot to the kid). Later the boy's father showed up very angry. He assumed that the kid's father was angry because he hadn't paid enough. Turns out that he was angry because Mr. Be had paid far too much, more than the father could earn in a (week / month I don't remember), and the father could no longer discipline his boy because the boy had lost much respect for the father. His (and my) point is that tossing around the almighty dollar doesn't always make everybody happy.Based on your response, it appears the answer to my question--"Do you have specific evidence that a high tip in a mom-and-pop restaurant is often seen as an insult in Thailand? Or is this just your speculation?"--is it is just your speculation without any specific evidence. Of course, any of us with extensive experience in Thailand knows that tipping practices are different there than in the United States and that Thai tipping is as a rule less generous, but that is a different issue from whether over tipping can be seen as an insult in certain Thai locales.
Last week I visited Thailand, started my trip from Chennai and landed first in Bangkok.
Very early morning I reached airport, Visa process took another 2 hours.
Then reached my hotel by taxi. Took 300 be. I had booked Alt Nana Hotel near to NEP.
It was 7 AM and had 5 hours at least for check-in.
Put the luggage in Hotel, had breakfast outside and went to some place to roam around the city.
Came back at 2, tired and needed some action.
Walked down the street of NEP and saw a cute lady outside the massage parlour. Naree Massage was the name.
Talked to lady before entering, 500 in counter for oil massage and 1500 inside for everything.
Went inside with her, first floor by stair.
Room. Clean and big room, shower at one corner. Another end had big bed. Interiors were full of sea shells and stones. Sunlight coming from window. A bright room.
She asked me to remove clothes and take shower while she went to fetch something.
She came back and joined me in shower, started blow job. That makes johny very hard and we came to bed.
Here I had a complete look at her body, clean and fair body, long hair, slim figure, clean shoved pussy, big legs, medium size boobs and small ass.
Wow!
I started licking and kissing over the body.
Blow job again started with full flow. Toothless, soft and warm. After some time came out. An awesome experience.
Massage started with chit chat. She started licking the whole body and playing my balls.
Had action in missionary, doggy and back side.
Came out in another 15 Minutes.
Again massage started but she stopped and laid beside me kissing and talking for another 15-20 minutes while playing with my johny.
I wanted to stay there for more time but 5 thought of leaving the place as I was tired.
But overall a nice GFE.
We hugged, kissed and said goodbye.
Will keep posting the other days experience.
I already explained the following in (much) earlier posts, but it seems that a reminder is necessary. In Thailand, you don't get respect from locals if you over pay (or over tip).
When you pay the right price (that's about the same price than a local or maybe a little bit more in some occurrences because, as a foreigner, you are, on average, much trouble to deal with), local people will think that you are 'chalat' (ฉลาด), which means 'clever'.
If you over pay (or over tip), then, Thai people think that you are 'ngo' (โง่), which means 'stupid'.
If you are too stingy (for instance, when you haven't taken into account that you got more than a local for a certain service and still you insist to pay the same price or lower than what a Thai would pay), you are considered as khi-niaw (ขี้เหนียว) or 'cheap Charlie'.
Sometimes, you may also be called a 'cheap Charlie', even if you pay the right price, by certain greedy locals who were expecting to make a better benefit in a transaction with the supposedly stupid foreigner, but it's usually easy to understand that it's not really the case in this kind of situation as it's mostly said jokingly.
On the contrary, when you are called "jai dee" '(ใจดี), which means 'good heart' or 'generous', it's often because you over payed for a service or goods, and more often than not, you are actually considered as 'ngo' by most locals.
And remember that the monthly average income per person in Thailand amounts just a little bit over 13500 bahts (13,581.1 THB for the last quarter of 2014 - source: National Statistical Office of Thailand: https://www.bot.or.th/English/Statistics/Standard/SDDS/Pages/sdds.aspx).
Robert Long
03-10-15, 06:34
Based on your response, it appears the answer to my question--"Do you have specific evidence that a high tip in a mom-and-pop restaurant is often seen as an insult in Thailand? Or is this just your speculation?"--is it is just your speculation without any specific evidence. Of course, any of us with extensive experience in Thailand knows that tipping practices are different there than in the United States and that Thai tipping is as a rule less generous, but that is a different issue from whether over tipping can be seen as an insult in certain Thai locales.This is great information overall, but if we center on the P4 P industry then a different set of rules apply. I had a lady stop In the middle of the soapy and tell me that she expects a tip and that is all the money she makes as her share of the soapy was very small.
RL.
TwoTimeTed
03-10-15, 07:15
She may have said that, but its probably not true if she is working at a MP.
This is great information overall, but if we center on the P4 P industry then a different set of rules apply. I had a lady stop In the middle of the soapy and tell me that she expects a tip and that is all the money she makes as her share of the soapy was very small.
RL.
Based on your response, it appears the answer to my question--"Do you have specific evidence that a high tip in a mom-and-pop restaurant is often seen as an insult in Thailand? Or is this just your speculation?"--is it is just your speculation without any specific evidence. Of course, any of us with extensive experience in Thailand knows that tipping practices are different there than in the United States and that Thai tipping is as a rule less generous, but that is a different issue from whether over tipping can be seen as an insult in certain Thai locales.What sort of "specific evidence" do you require?
I guess you didn't get the Arlo Guthrie reference, but there is no Thai version of Emily Post to which I can refer. I will point out that I have 15 years traveling around all of mainland SEA, talking to lots of people and keenly observing tipping practices, because it interests me. So, I have a reasonably educated opinion. But it is just an opinion, educated or not.
So, I called up the Thai GF (non-BG, middle class but from humble beginnings, degree, good I'm / ex job with very good salary). Sadly, she had no "specific evidence" either, just a very educated opinion. Seems she's spent the last 42 years living and working in Thailand. She gives the impression of having a reasonably good grasp of the Thai culture. She told me that each "bannok" restaurateur will be different, but overtipping could very well be interpreted as an insult. Her point, which I found interesting, was that it would be interpreted as some sort of "welfare" (my word). You're paying for something he didn't do. You've "cheapened" his efforts and made him look like a beggar. She then went on to illustrate by reminding me of a man we met at Amphawa last year. He was selling some very nice handmade baskets. He came up to us and offered his wares. We politely refused. He kept at it. She politely refused again, and then offered him some money (a "tip" as it were). He immediately refused and informed her that he was not a beggar. He worked for his living and was proud of it. We could buy a basket, or not buy a basket, but he would not accept handouts. (Ahh, if only more Americans were like him).
Now, I realize that the opinion of a life-long Thai may not rise to the level of "specific evidence. " But I have nothing else to offer but, as you call it, speculation. However, I'll stick with my speculation for now, until you can come up with some "specific evidence" to the contrary.
Meanwhile, here's an interesting article from the LA Times.
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/may/20/travel/tr-money20
This is great information overall, but if we center on the P4 P industry then a different set of rules apply. I had a lady stop In the middle of the soapy and tell me that she expects a tip and that is all the money she makes as her share of the soapy was very small.
RL.Agreed, as long as we're discussing massage. We've noted that the remuneration for a masseuse varies widely from venue to venue.
I had a similar experience a couple of years ago on Soi 22. I was waiting for GF and had a couple of hours. I wandered into one of the shops. The girls nabbed me and showed me the menu. At the top were the "regular" massages and down the page were the hanky-panky ones. I opted for a regular Thai massage, which was really what I wanted. She kept suggesting the others, but I insisted I was only interested in a Thai massage.
We got to the room, she looked unhappy. Then she got royally pissed off and started to cry. She told me that the boss (lady standing next to us downstairs) made her up-sell the massages, but since I didn't pick one she would get no money. In other words, no money for a regular massage. I offered her a nice tip, to compensate for the loss of income (I really only wanted a regular massage. Honest) She flatly refused. I was going to bail, but she proceeded to give a pretty decent massage. I tried to tip her again, when she finished, but, again, she flatly refused. I bailed and never looked back. Weirdest massage I ever had.
Your point is well taken. Always determine how the masseuse will be paid and "tip" accordingly. But this does not apply to bar girls.
Oosik you are killing me with these postings. I have never laughed so much reading mongering reports. Good job buddy.
Member #4345
03-10-15, 15:47
I paid three visits to the. BJ's. There were several decent lookers in the mob that followed me in the door the first time, but I had a mission: I was looking for the legendary Consultant EE. The reviews here speak glowingly of her but warned of a very bad boob job. The idea of being trapped in literally a cage with mutant boobs was daunting. I have a high Boob Standard as a result of some good upbringing.
Yes, eight year olds could buy porn in Sudan, but try selling that stuff to them in one of those modern, progressive, western countries and you'll find surprise morning sex isn't half as enjoyable when you're incarcerated. Score one for Islam.
With her high heels, the steep stairs, and my average height I found myself staring right up a microskirt at the most amazing intergluteal cleft, more technically referred to as butt-crack, with the sacred orifice hidden by a glorified shoestring. Sadly, the hallowed ground is supposedly off limits, but one can fantasize. Or maybe even ask next time.
knowing that the bastards were going to have a hell of a time getting my fat ass down those fifty or sixty flights of stairs (my estimate) that I had to climb to get there. Okay, in all truth they would likely just lob me out the window, but hopefully that idea would escape me as I drew my dying breath. With any luck I'd hit one of those pricks walking at a snail's pace while glued to their phone.
The next day I managed to uncross my eyes.
My towels at the Hilton have never been wrapped like that. I'll never trust that chain again. The bed is big I think a king, begging for multiple occupancy. Most importantly, there is good air conditioning which was a damned good thing after those eighty flights of stairs (my new estimate). A defibrillator would have been spiffy, as well.
Over all, highly recommended. Yes, you could have skipped all this BS and just read the last line.I'm in tears after reading this. My sides hurt too. People outside my office are wondering if (this being appraisal season) this moron is chuckling at the raise he (isn't) going to give us.
I paid three visits to the. BJ's. Love your posts. Just wonderful! Thanks much for taking the time to write.
I'm blushing furiously now. Thanks all! Hopefully one more quickie in a week when I pass through on my way to Suvarnabhumi and the sadness that is home.
Wolvenvacht
03-10-15, 20:27
Your point is well taken. Always determine how the masseuse will be paid and "tip" accordingly. But this does not apply to bar girls.Wait a moment! Bargirls and massage girls are just the same as other Thais, unless they have been corrupted by that vile sin of tipping that the Americans want to spread around.
What many here call a tip is actually a fee for "extra" services. When a massage girl starts with a normal massage and up-sells it into a special massage, the money you give her is not a tip but a fee.
Of course, Americans see this all topsy-turvy: the tips they pay are actyually a private tax to pay for the services of the wait-staff since the majority of their employers are too cheap to pay these poor people even the minimum wage. So American tips are fees. You pay the restaurant for the food and the accomodation, you pay the "tip" for the waiter to bring the food to you. In most European countries, pirces are all inclusive of taxes and tips. And that is the only proper way.
A tip or gratuity is something neither asked nor expected, but given out of your good heart for service above and beyond the normal.
Crocodilexp
03-10-15, 23:00
What many here call a tip is actually a fee for "extra" services. When a massage girl starts with a normal massage and up-sells it into a special massage, the money you give her is not a tip but a fee.Fully agree. Calling the mandatory service fee a "tip" is maddening.
No, the hot massage girl won't provide sex for 300 baht. Without the extra fee (the 1000 baht wrongly-called "tip" she will only do the half-arsed regular massage and be very unhappy about it. The fact that the fee isn't posted and is subject to bargaining only increases the hassle factor, it does not indicate that it's even theoretically optional (as a proper tip must be).
Fully agree. Calling the mandatory service fee a "tip" is maddening.
No, the hot massage girl won't provide sex for 300 baht. Without the extra fee (the 1000 baht wrongly-called "tip" she will only do the half-arsed regular massage and be very unhappy about it. The fact that the fee isn't posted and is subject to bargaining only increases the hassle factor, it does not indicate that it's even theoretically optional (as a proper tip must be).I have been a customer at various PSE shops for almost a decade. I get great service, especially from my regulars and have never paid more than the required fee.
I have been a customer at various PSE shops for almost a decade. I get great service, especially from my regulars and have never paid more than the required fee.I have experienced the same thing, if I only pay the required amount they seem to show more respect. If I start tipping it all becomes a silly game.
I have experienced the same thing, if I only pay the required amount they seem to show more respect. If I start tipping it all becomes a silly game.Agreed! And then if you tip one girl one amount and another a different amount, they will talk and there will be hard feeling. Those places are fixed price for a reason. Because they are Asian style, originally catering to Japanese customers who do not tip, so it is an all inclusive price. Tipping there is akin to tipping the guy that fixes your washing machine. I really don't get why so many dudes treat the purchase of sexual services differently than the purchase of any other service. That is all it is, a service. Albeit a really nice one.
Which brings me to another point. Want good service? Then the experience needs to be nice for the provider as well. How can we aid in that? Simple. Keep yourself in shape. No one wants to sleep with a fat slob. Keep your body toned and stay slim. Be well groomed. Keep your pubes trimmed or shaved and if you like to be rimmed shave that keister hair. Would you want to lick a gals hairy dingleberry laden chocolate starfish? Shower before you go. Dress presentably. Ditch the cargo shorts, Red Bull T-Shirt, and flip flops. Learn to speak a bit of Thai. Joke with the gals in their own language. Suprisingly few oily girls speak good English. You want a GFE or a PSE, try you best to get the gal into it. Pay some attention to her. Munch that box. Most of all, treat her with respect as you would your GF, a woman you work with, etc. But never forget, this is her job.
Both, Baccaras, BKK and Pattaya allow Indians so that is good.
Hard for me to say this but Pattayas prostitute line-up blows away the BKK one. Why is like this?
Paul Kausch
03-11-15, 05:37
I really don't get why so many dudes treat the purchase of sexual services differently than the purchase of any other service. That is all it is, a service. Albeit a really nice one.
Want good service? ...
But never forget, this is her job.Well put!
An excellent description of how a monger should prepare himself and act. It's really very simple. You expect the lady to be clean and present herself in a certain manner. Well so should you. Likewise, you expect to have fun. So make it fun for the lady too.
Duh!
Frankly, I do tend to tip good service. But not always. For example, BKKMick and I pay a flat amount when we hook up with a bunch of ladies for one of our orgies; but in addition to the fee for service we treat them to a fun night out with plenty of food, booze, music and fun.
I'm willing to bet given a choice between a client who is well groomed, in reasonable shape, does his part to make the session session, but leaves no tip, and an abusive slob who leaves a tip, most ladies would prefer the former over the latter.
Alaska Manman
03-11-15, 08:12
I will be in Bangkok in a couple of weeks, with just one day / night in the city before a week in a remote location with little action according to the postings.
I will be at the Amari for the one night and then back for four nights before heading home and am looking for suggestions as to how to best take advantage of my first day.
Get my wet as they might say.
Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
I definitely don't want to leave Thailand without a Soapy and / or Nuru "Massage".
I went to a massage shop at the bottom of the walk over by Soi 8. I had a nice massage from a girl that was to my liking. After the massage was over she asked for my number as she said she liked me. About 2 hours later she calls and ask if I want to meet for a drink. So we meet at a bar on soi 11. Later that night we say goodbye and she asked if she could go with me. Long story short. We were in the room at about 11:30 pm and she went home at 10:00 am next day. No talk of money so I put some in her purse while she was taking a showeri the morning. When she seen the money she gave it back to me. She said she wasnted to come with me. I did not ask her to come with me. Nice fuck at night and a bbbjcof in the morning. Now she calls me many times a day. Such a crazy girl.
Well put! I'm willing to bet given a choice between a client who is well groomed, in reasonable shape, does his part to make the session session, but leaves no tip, and an abusive slob who leaves a tip, most ladies would prefer the former over the latter.Thanks. And I think your last sentence is quite true. Girls who would prefer a fat slob that tips are probably not the kind of gals we would want to be with either.
I went to a massage shop at the bottom of the walk over by Soi 8. I had a nice massage from a girl that was to my liking. After the massage was over she asked for my number as she said she liked me. About 2 hours later she calls and ask if I want to meet for a drink. So we meet at a bar on soi 11. Later that night we say goodbye and she asked if she could go with me. Long story short. We were in the room at about 11:30 pm and she went home at 10:00 am next day. No talk of money so I put some in her purse while she was taking a showeri the morning. When she seen the money she gave it back to me. She said she wasnted to come with me. I did not ask her to come with me. Nice fuck at night and a bbbjcof in the morning. Now she calls me many times a day. Such a crazy girl.Doesn't sound like free. Just a different way-.
She perhaps judge you as an easy mark(victim).
I went to a massage shop at the bottom of the walk over by Soi 8. I had a nice massage from a girl that was to my liking. After the massage was over she asked for my number as she said she liked me. About 2 hours later she calls and ask if I want to meet for a drink. So we meet at a bar on soi 11. Later that night we say goodbye and she asked if she could go with me. Long story short. We were in the room at about 11:30 pm and she went home at 10:00 am next day. No talk of money so I put some in her purse while she was taking a showeri the morning. When she seen the money she gave it back to me. She said she wasnted to come with me. I did not ask her to come with me. Nice fuck at night and a bbbjcof in the morning. Now she calls me many times a day. Such a crazy girl.Can I have the contact number please.
Can someone recommend where in Bangkok I might pick up a few toys? Bonus points if they carry high-quality rubbers.
Reading the forum it seems like selection and quality may be limited, but I unfortunately do not have the luxury of bringing with me as I'm already abroad.
Thanks in advance!
I went to a massage shop at the bottom of the walk over by Soi 8. I had a nice massage from a girl that was to my liking. After the massage was over she asked for my number as she said she liked me. About 2 hours later she calls and ask if I want to meet for a drink. So we meet at a bar on soi 11. Later that night we say goodbye and she asked if she could go with me. Long story short. We were in the room at about 11:30 pm and she went home at 10:00 am next day. No talk of money so I put some in her purse while she was taking a showeri the morning. When she seen the money she gave it back to me. She said she wasnted to come with me. I did not ask her to come with me. Nice fuck at night and a bbbjcof in the morning. Now she calls me many times a day. Such a crazy girl.That brings back memories of thirty years ago. I am curious as to whether she gave you any sniff kisses. That is where they sniff and kiss behind your ear. I was told then that it was a sign of significant liking. Maybe the younger generation is not into that.
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