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9. that's the number of this guys worthless posts so far.
And Bangkok35 with two posts and already bird dogging for numbers.
Doesn't sound like free. Just a different way-.
She perhaps judge you as an easy mark(victim).
After afternoon massage I went to sleep and woke up 9 pm. Entered NEP with friends to one go-go bar. Had some drinks but left after some time and thought to visit Soi Cow boy by walk.
I liked Soi Cow boy place better than NEP. Whole street is full of bars, chicks.
Entered in one bar (don't remember the name). Lot of girls and most of them are pretty. One lady joined us and started chit chat. She Asked for LD and we ordered. Cost 160 B, pressing the boobs till she was there. After that another lady joined ABD I continued the same.
After some time johny became hard. Asked one girl for BJ, she demanded 800 B negotiated the price for 500 B, went to first floor and finished the deed.
Good end of my first day in Bangkok.
CallMeTony
03-12-15, 12:47
Hi guys,
I'll be in Bangkok next week staying at the Sheraton Grande Sukhumvit.
Any recommendation for some action nearby? Also some outcall options if possible.
Thanks,
Tony
Doesn't sound like free. Just a different way-.
She perhaps judge you as an easy mark(victim).You need to build trust. 2 free sessions is adequate as usually the conned is not that bright. Once you gain the victims trust you can do quite a lot of damage.
Ralph Kramden
03-12-15, 14:45
After afternoon massage I went to sleep and woke up 9 pm. Entered NEP with friends to one go-go bar. Had some drinks but left after some time and thought to visit Soi Cow boy by walk.
I liked Soi Cow boy place better than NEP. Whole street is full of bars, chicks.
Entered in one bar (don't remember the name). Lot of girls and most of them are pretty. One lady joined us and started chit chat. She Asked for LD and we ordered. Cost 160 B, pressing the boobs till she was there. After that another lady joined ABD I continued the same.
After some time johny became hard. Asked one girl for BJ, she demanded 800 B negotiated the price for 500 B, went to first floor and finished the deed.
Good end of my first day in Bangkok.That sounds like a pretty good deal for a blow job. Did she strip and let you feel and was it a CIM?
Paul Kausch
03-12-15, 17:24
Hi guys,
I'll be in Bangkok next week staying at the Sheraton Grande Sukhumvit.
Any recommendation for some action nearby? Also some outcall options if possible.
Thanks,
TonySoi Cowboy is a 5 minute walk. There are escort agencies that will send girls to your hotel, which is girl friendly. You can also get girls on outcall from any of the massage parlors that are mentioned on the MP threads. For the MPs and escorts see their websites.
Can someone recommend where in Bangkok I might pick up a few toys? Bonus points if they carry high-quality rubbers.Sex toys are technically illegal in Thailand so you will not find any sex shops per se. There are some available from the Sukhumvit street vendors but the packages are open and could possible be second hand. Decent quality condoms can be had at any pharma but the rule of thumb is to bring them from your home country.
SunLover.
I find mirrors on ceilings to be a very big erotic add on. Anyone else?
Can someone tell me which of the Oilies in Sukhumvit (I know Mango does) and which of the Soapies on Ratchadaphisek have ceiling mirrors?
I find mirrors on ceilings to be a very big erotic add on. Anyone else?
Can someone tell me which of the Oilies in Sukhumvit (I know Mango does) and which of the Soapies on Ratchadaphisek have ceiling mirrors?Is the ceiling mirror at Mango only in their VIP room(s)? It has been awhile since I have sessioned at Mango, but my recollection although vague is they did not have ceiling mirrors in their regular rooms. or maybe even no mirrors of any kind. I did, however, use their VIP room once, but do not recall much about it other than I thought it was not worth the extra money.
Somewhere15
03-13-15, 02:17
Soi Cowboy is a 5 minute walk. There are escort agencies that will send girls to your hotel, which is girl friendly. You can also get girls on outcall from any of the massage parlors that are mentioned on the MP threads. For the MPs and escorts see their websites.Since late December the bar of the Sheraton is reopened (after a closure of about 1 year). Althaught its never very busy but you can find girls in the age of mid 20 till late 30, all nicely dressed and all looking for some supplement or business.
Its the Sheraton and they start asking prices in line with the Hotel but if you are lucky you deal with the pricing system.
I remember (but it must be 2012 or 2013) that the bar was closing on a weekend day (Friday or Saturday) around 1:30 AM and that I saw that some girls going over to Insomnia.
On the stairs of the Sheraton I chit chatted with a cute girl and she asked where I want to go. I pinpointed in the opposite Soi (19) where I rent a (serivce) apartment. She said I can go with you and my reply was: I can't (read: I am not willing) to pay the prices you would normally ask but I have a bottle of white wine and if you stay for a while I can give you 2 K.
She said lets go and the next afternoon I had to kick here out. She drunk the bottle of wine nearly empty by her self and she allowed everything without anal.
Around 1:00 pm I pushed here to leave and giving here 2,5 K because I chatted the day before with a girl who I would meet at 4 PM at Terminal 21 for food and movie.
Sometimes if you are lucky there a nice gems for reasonable prices to find.
That sounds like a pretty good deal for a blow job. Did she strip and let you feel and was it a CIM?Though it was BBBJ but not CIM. She had asked me to inform just before it comes.
I had plan to visit crocodile park so started walking down the street for taxi.
Thought of having a look inside of famous soapy massage in NEP road. 6-7 girls shown, I liked few. Thought of trying after day trip.
Returned back from Crocodile Park at evening, directly went for soapy.
Price 2500/- for massage+BJ+1 shot, price seemed to be non-negotiable.
Selected a girl who was little black complexion though she was Thai.
She was surprised when I chose her (like why me expression). And whole fish bowl girls cheered yeah.
I got surprised by seeing their expression.
Anyway paid the money in counter and entered the room. Red bulb on.
Started kissing, licking, biting. She had great figure and nice eyes. Small boobs and clean shaven pussy.
It continued for 15 minutes. I was enjoying a lot.
BJ started, She was hard on johny, I felt tooth of her, though I enjoyed a lot.
Came in 10 minutes.
Again kissing, licking, biting for some time.
Then I was asked to wait in tub while she be back in moment.
I was waiting and waiting. 10 minutes passed.
I was nervous on what's going. After some time she entered.
She asked me to come near to her.
I went close to her. She showed me her neck which had red spots. She asked who did?
Now I realized what she is asking. I smiled. She smiled after me and kissed.
She was telling me that when she was out, her friends asked about neck. She didn't have any idea, she tried to apply cream to get that disappear but still visible. I said I liked her and that's why it could happen. She said nothing to worry, it will disappear in 1-2 Days. She liked me too, I guess.
Again foreplay started, this time I was careful not to bite her any place.
Started the deed in missionary, doggy and some more.
Finished.
I hugged, kissed, tipped and said good bye.
What an GFE. I loved Bangkok.
That brings back memories of thirty years ago. I am curious as to whether she gave you any sniff kisses. That is where they sniff and kiss behind your ear. I was told then that it was a sign of significant liking. Maybe the younger generation is not into that.So that's a thing in Thailand. I had a girl (in her late 20's or early 30's) doing that to me couple of days ago. Was not too sure what was that about. Now I know thanks to you LOL.
Eric Swiss
03-13-15, 05:59
Hi All.
Over the past year I have posted quite a few lay reports from Bangkok and Pattaya go-go girls and freelancers, and from Bangkok soapies and (mostly) oilies.
Here is my question: what options are available to get some decent action at 2 pm or earlier in the day?
My current modus operandi is to go to Addict Massage because they have a line-up of at least a dozen girls by 2 pm, including a few cute ones, and quite a lot of rotation on their roster. But am I missing out on other options that I should be exploring?
TIA,
Eric.
SirWilliam4
03-13-15, 06:10
Hi All.
Over the past year I have posted quite a few lay reports from Bangkok and Pattaya go-go girls and freelancers, and from Bangkok soapies and (mostly) oilies.
Here is my question: what options are available to get some decent action at 2 pm or earlier in the day?
My current modus operandi is to go to Addict Massage because they have a line-up of at least a dozen girls by 2 pm, including a few cute ones, and quite a lot of rotation on their roster. But am I missing out on other options that I should be exploring?
TIA,
Eric.The Beer Garden on Soi 7 has lots of ladies available at that time. For the most part they are *not* young, hotties. OTOH, I've found some delightful older (35-45) ladies there. Another mid-day possibility is to find a "legit" massage shop lady that would like to make an outcall appointment. That has worked well on a number of occasions.
SW4.
The Beer Garden on Soi 7 has lots of ladies available at that time. For the most part they are *not* young, hotties. OTOH, I've found some delightful older (35-45) ladies there. Another mid-day possibility is to find a "legit" massage shop lady that would like to make an outcall appointment. That has worked well on a number of occasions.
SW4.
In addition, I would say that one may find several streetwalkers early in the day in Chinatown. More than 90% of them are rather old and unattractive (that's an understatement), but I always managed to find 2 or 3 young (in their early or mid-twenties) and decent-looking ones (about 7 and even 8/10 in my book) at any time of the day.
Service there is often substandard, but one may be lucky, and at least, that's cheap. I never paid more than 500 baht (ST session) there for the provider and about 80-120 baht for the room. My latest visit in this district occured in November 2014, but I doubt that things have much changed since.
Eric Swiss
03-13-15, 07:34
The Beer Garden on Soi 7 has lots of ladies available at that time. For the most part they are *not* young, hotties. OTOH, I've found some delightful older (35-45) ladies there. Another mid-day possibility is to find a "legit" massage shop lady that would like to make an outcall appointment. That has worked well on a number of occasions.
SW4.Thank you for your reply, SirWilliam4. I have been to the Beer Garden on Soi 7 once in the afternoon, and indeed the ladies available there were not young hotties whom I was looking for.
Is the ceiling mirror at Mango only in their VIP room(s)? It has been awhile since I have sessioned at Mango, but my recollection although vague is they did not have ceiling mirrors in their regular rooms. or maybe even no mirrors of any kind. I did, however, use their VIP room once, but do not recall much about it other than I thought it was not worth the extra money.Mango normal rooms have mirrors on the sides.
SirWilliam4
03-13-15, 19:47
Thank you for your reply, SirWilliam4. I have been to the Beer Garden on Soi 7 once in the afternoon, and indeed the ladies available there were not young hotties whom I was looking for.Yep. I agree. Not hotties. Then again, I've had some of my very best experiences with women I've met there. There's something to be said for attractive women with some real life experience.
SW4.
Hi guys,
This will be my first time in BKK and Thailand.
Could you recommend what would be the best option (price-wise and looks-wise (I don't really care about the service very much, basic sex is enough for me) if I want a girl for an overnight session?
I have one option in mind. Some girl from Bamboo massage, it's only 5000 baht for an overnight (21.00 - 9.00). However, based on some reports about Bamboo massage I read that the pictures of the girls in their website do not reflect the reality.
I'm open to various suggestions, but I'd prefer a slim hot girl in her 20-ies.
Carpaccio18
03-13-15, 23:35
That sounds like a pretty good deal for a blow job. Did she strip and let you feel and was it a CIM?
Though it was BBBJ but not CIM. She had asked me to inform just before it comes.Easy enough to get an 800 bht BBBJ with CIM, just go to [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901) on Soi 8. They will take off the top if you ask.
Sup fellas,
I posted a report about a month back about my first time experience in Bangkok, and generated some discussion. After consulting with you guys, I polished up my strategy and came back with a better plan this time around. I booked with the royal asia lodge which is pretty close to both soi cowboy and nana. It was pretty cheap, but the keys were intermittently working. Also, if you have an overnight guest and want to have breakfast, they will give you two free breakfast vouchers, but I didn't wake up early enough to eat it, so I can't give my opinion on that.
I browsed the forums of the latest posts to see what the general rate for taking the ladies back was going to be. I opted to go to Nana first, as the first time I went there, I did not to go into any places, but just to walk around to see what it's like and what kind of talent was out and about. This time I went into Suckers first. It was a Thursday night, so I expected the talent to be less than superb, but better than a Tuesday or Wednesday night talent. The girls were alright in here. I got plenty of looks by most in the place. The owner, who is a very feminine gay man, kept coming over to me and patting my junk. At first I played along, it garnered a lot of attention from all of the girls, which I thought was key to showing that I was fun and open-minded. But after the third time or so, and him telling everyone I was his boyfriend, I felt pretty uncomfortable. Even the wait staff was asking me to buy them drinks and barfine them. Not sure if this is common practice. I tend to attract all of the gays, ESPECIALLY the ladyboys. I'm not interested in the former or the latter, but I love compliments from any gender or gender identity. I pay for the drink and move onto another place, rainbow 4. The selection here is far better. I sit right at the bar to get an up close look at all of the girls. No one really catches my eye, except for a few. But the girls are pretty shy and aren't approaching anyone, except one or two. Most of the clientele here were Asians, so I blended right in. I ordered a drink, and when the next set of ladies go up to the bar, one of the most gorgeous woman on the planet is dancing. Seriously, she looks like a slimmer hotter version of Mila Kunis, a 9. 5. There's only a handful of women in the world, famous or not, that I would give anything above a 9. I'm sure many of you know who I'm talking about. I couldn't believe she was Thai, but she confirmed she was. I forgot her name, but she's from Bangkok. Has a great looking body. Before I even get a chance to get a wait staff's attention, she's already snatched up by I believe a Japanese man a few seats from me. He talks to her for about 5 minutes, and doesn't buy her a drink. She's back on stage only minutes later. This kind of irked me, what could have possibly happened in the conversation that he didn't want to buy her a drink or chat her up some more? Or even barfine her? I had to find out. I buy her a drink, and after the song she comes to talk to me. We have the usual conversation, where are you from, are you here for work or holiday, how long are you in Thailand, etc. But this conversation was pretty quick with short answers and no follow up questions from her. She seemed generally disinterested, not just in me, but at all. There was a lot of awkward silences. I told her she looks like Mila Kunis, and she doesn't know who that is, but people tell her that all the time. After about 3 minutes of silence, she asks "so are you going to barfine me? And I tell her no. I told her that I'm sorry, but I don't think there's chemistry between us. As hot as she was, I would rather sacrifice a little of the looks for a great session, than to be with a gorgeous starfish. I feel that the session would have been terrible, she's so hot, she wouldn't have to do anything, her looks alone would garner enough barfines. I could be wrong, and she could have just been shy, and the session would have been earth shattering. Maybe someone can affirm I made the right decision? Anyways, I told her that I'm not going to waste any of her time, told her she doesn't have to stay, she thanks me for the drink, doesn't even finish it, and leaves. My ego is a bit hurt at this point, most women are generally interested when I talk to them. Being a young, muscular, tall, and handsome Asian-American usually requires little work with women in my real life, even less in my mongering life. Oh well, I would have a fantastic session later on in the night. However, she never returned to the stage, and she kept stealing glances at me during the rest of my time there. She probably is thinking that she might have made a mistake. Pondering if she showed some more interest, or done more to seal the deal. I'm the least detestable man in the place. All wishful thinking perhaps haha.
I finish up my drink and head over to Angel witch. But not before being mauled by all the ladyboys, many of which I've already turned down in the hallway.
This place is a little bit different, the girls actually put on a show, a choreographed dance sequence, with an audience member tied up on center stage, and they whipped him and grinded on him. It was new and refreshing, better than the same old boring dance stage filled with girls dancing lethargically and having the facial expressions of somewhere they would rather be and have better things to do. Alas, they did that immediately after the show. There were two mamasans there, both of whom were rather large women. I tend to charm up the mamasans or papasans, hoping they like me enough to help pick out the best girl in the place, or tells the girl to give me extra care and attention. It worked for me well in San Salvador, San Jose, Phnom Penh, and various other places. I chat up the main mamasan, and even buy her a drink. I asked if she barfines, but she jokingly says she does, but is too busy that night. I tell her my heart is broken. But I spot a gorgeous shy girl on stage. Her name is Koy, has dyed brown hair with blond highlighted bangs, about shoulder length. She's from Bangkok, 22-26 (can't remember), super cute and super shy. Nice body, Ccup boobs (fake), beautiful booty, but wears blue contact lenses, which takes away from the natural beauty of thai women. She's got a little speech impediment, which I thought was adorable, and made her seem more human than a goddess. She sounds like Holly Hunter. It was her second day at Angel witch which explains why she was so shy and demure, so she was almost brand new to the scene. I was also her second customer of the day.
I ask her if she would do BBBJ, DFK, and CIM. She said yes to all three. Barfine is 600 THB for 2 hours of shortime and her rate is 3000 THB. So lower barfine in Bangkok, but higher girl rate vs lower girl rate and higher barfine in pattaya. I negotiated for 2900 THB and she agreed, pay my bill and we head back to the hotel. However, no taxi or tuktuk driver knew where it was. We tried about 4 or 5 guys, and my room key didn't have the address. We were going to hike it back, but she suggested the nana plaza short time hotel on the 3rd floor. I ask how much that was, she says 350 THB, but I explain why would I pay for a room when I already have one. She says she will deduct the difference from her rate. I guess this is best for her, as it's more safe and convenient. I reluctantly agree. The room is tiny, but clean and convenient. I pay the front desk and head into the room. We take a shower together, and just like my experience in Pattaya, she was super loving and caring in the way she washed me. It didn't feel like a chore for her, and something she didn't want to do. It was playful, and we have some funny conversations during the whole thing. She even dries me off with the towel. We head to the bed, and I opt to smoke some mary jane before we begin. She even helps me light the pipe.
She starts off with a BBBJ, good suction and makes moaning noises as she does it, and I finger bang her from the side while she does it. She taste sweet. Once I'm ready, she gets up, and adds lube to herself. Tells me she doesn't like being finger banged. She puts the cover on, and rides me while I have an amazing view of her and her body while grabbing her bottom and cupping her breasts. I then embrace her while I try to pound her into oblivion. We then switch to my favorite position, which is mish for another amazing view. We constantly make out, and she's always ready and willing to give me her mouth and tongue to French kiss. After driving into her for awhile, the things she says were driving me crazy, and turning me on. Things like: "I can cum just like this, keep going", "Can I please cum? "Just like that". I tell her that I love her, but she's taken aback by it, and rather surprised. I think she thinks I was being serious, I say it to a lot of girls. When she says "Let's cum together", I told her that I wanted to cum in her mouth while caressing her lips with my fingers. She says she prefers it on her breasts, but I told her I prefer it in her mouth. She agrees. Once I thought I was ready to nut, I take the cover off and have her suck me to completion. But it was a false alarm, and for the next 15 minutes, I skull f**k her while he strokes me and takes me in her mouth. While pumping deep and hard, I tell her that I was cumming at the last second (the delayed reaction from smoking the MJ) and blow the biggest load into her mouth, and the second pump into her mouth created an equally sizeable load. I was surprised by all of this, because earlier in the day, I had rubbed one out because of the sexy session I had the night before in Pattaya. This poor girl couldn't handle that much of my man juice, and has to take my manhood out of her mouth while squeezing it tight, and spit out the mouthful onto her breasts. After she does that, she jerks the rest out onto her boobs. I couldn't believe how much more came out, I made such a mess everywhere, all over her body. It was an intense orgasm, increased because of the MJ.
She goes to clean herself up first, squatting to clean her vajayjay with the shower head, just like before the session started. After she finishes, with a towel wrapped around her body, she comes into the shower to clean me up, once again, making me feel like a king. All I could do was stare and admire this woman, for the love and care she was giving a complete stranger. Why can't all woman be like this? She tells me how she hates CIM, but she was willing to do it for me anyways, because of how much I wanted it. She asks if I am clean, which I respond with "Of course! I only practice safe sex. I love sex, but I'm not willing to die for it. ".
After everything was said and done and paying her, she even walks me out of the Nana plaza. Seriously, she did not have to do a lot of the things that she did, but she did it anyways. I was falling in love with this woman. I picked her up off her feet to give her the biggest hug, the type that you give to someone you haven't seen in a long time, only this time, the opposite, a big hug for someone I will never see again. A kiss on the cheek and we were gone.
I love Thailand, and the women there are on the top of my charts in almost every category. They really know how to take care of a man. Make me feel like I'm on top of the world.
Koy: Porn Star Experience.
Face: 8.
Body: 8. 5.
Service: 9.
Tells me she doesn't like being finger banged.
I told her that I wanted to cum in her mouth... She says she prefers it on her breasts.
...spit out the mouthful onto her breasts. After she does that, she jerks the rest out onto her boobs.
She tells me how she hates CIM
Koy: Porn Star Experience.
It all sounds like great fun, but I'd hardly call it PSE, especially after agreeing to CIM in the bar. I expect CIM with PSE and don't expect to have to beg for it. The negotiations should be on whether she swallows.
In addition, I would say that one may find several streetwalkers early in the day in Chinatown. More than 90% of them are rather old and unattractive (that's an understatement), but I always managed to find 2 or 3 young (in their early or mid-twenties) and decent-looking ones (about 7 and even 8/10 in my book) at any time of the day.
Service there is often substandard, but one may be lucky, and at least, that's cheap. I never paid more than 500 baht (ST session) there for the provider and about 80-120 baht for the room. My latest visit in this district occured in November 2014, but I doubt that things have much changed since.Last year I was in Chinatown and there was two working girl houses that I found one Chinese and the other mixed. I picked a girl from Lao. Amazing ass and breasts. We went for like 40 minutes straight and she did not complain once. The manager over changed me and when I finished the manager was nowhere to be found. I come back the next day and the girl quit because she found out what the manager was stealing from her. But, I have found some gems in Chinatown. I only know the places by sight or I would post the address. I think the place was called Dallas massage or Houston massage. Something like that. Just having flashback of Bangkok's Chinatown. Can't wait for my next trip in 6 months!
Does anyone know if the girls from BKK48 are available for LT / out call?
Also, can anyone suggest a good regular (I. E. No extras) massage place, ideally in or near lower Sukhumvit?
Sorry for all of the questions, I've already made a number of bookings for this trip and will report all of the salacious details here.
It all sounds like great fun, but I'd hardly call it PSE, especially after agreeing to CIM in the bar. I expect CIM with PSE and don't expect to have to beg for it. The negotiations should be on whether she swallows.I didn't beg for it. I asked if she would do it, and she immediately said yes, didn't have to pay more for the extras (although I'm sure it's included in the price). I couldn't care if she swallows, that would be her option. I don't see a lot of pornos where the girl swallows. I'm really just not into it.
In your opinion, what would be a PSE session then?
... But, I have found some gems in Chinatown. I only know the places by sight or I would post the address. I think the place was called Dallas massage or Houston massage. Something like that. ...That's Texas Massage, very likely.
I didn't beg for it. I asked if she would do it, and she immediately said yes, didn't have to pay more for the extras (although I'm sure it's included in the price). I couldn't care if she swallows, that would be her option. I don't see a lot of pornos where the girl swallows. I'm really just not into it.
In your opinion, what would be a PSE session then?You asked for CIM at the bar by verifying that it was included. It should never have come up again, but that is pretty typical with bar girls: Promise anything, then try to weasel out of it. Good that you stuck to your guns, though it ended up either a win / win or a lose / lose, depending on your attitude towards that sort of thing, because yes, you got some CIM, but she got out of some of it via her preferred chest release.
I only brought up swallowing as an example of something that would be open to negotiation. In my opinion (and opinions are like a**holes. Soon to be mentioned. Everyone has one) good PSE involves three holes on her and one on you (rimming) with readily offered, maybe even sought, CIM. Obviously these are not mandatory on your part. You're paying so you can opt out of any of it. But it should be your choice, as I wrote: opt-out, not ask-in. If you opt out of enough, though, it becomes just sex with an enhancement or two. Nothing wrong with just sex if that is what you want, but labeling it as PSE is misleading: I saw that tag line and eagerly read the post only to find a fairly typical BG experience with what sounded like a good performer.
I think that PSE probably varies with the location. For example, I was just in the Philippines where in most cases PSE could best be described as soft-core porn. Here I expect hard-core. If you want a better, more enjoyable definition, I suggest you read the massage threads here, choose a highly reviewed oily (not soapy) provider, and take her for a whirl. Or you could just walk into the Eden Club. That is sort of Uber-PSE with [CodeWord118] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118), strap-ONS, and a two-girl minimum.
The drawback is, of course, that as a rule the looks of the provider decline as one goes farther into PSE. I always thought that was why the Eden club had its in-room pornos: I would concentrate on the video like there was going to be a quiz afterwards unless my view was blocked by female private parts. They cater to fetishes. Maybe I should have my fetish be, "I want to be blindfolded the whole time, including during the selection process. ".
This time I wanted to try famous Nuru massage.
Went to Dr BJ Nuru massage. That road was full of massage parlour. Girl roams around here and there.
Outside the Nuru place, girls were sitting and asking for massage.
As soon as I entered, all girls came inside the lobby and one lady sat near to me for assistance.
She explained the package and asked me if I need help on choosing the girl; she would help me.
It was 2000 including all.
Chose a nice girl (don't remember the name and number).
Went to 2nd floor and I was asked to remove cloth and wait while she will fetch the massage lotion, gel etc.
She came back and gave me shower.
Then we both rinsed mouth with mouth wash and kissing started.
Followed by a perfect BJ.
Then massage started for 20-25 Minutes, rubbed my whole body.
Then finished deed in missionary and doggy.
Tipped her and came out.
Nice experience with Nuru Massage.
You asked for CIM at the bar by verifying that it was included. It should never have come up again, but that is pretty typical with bar girls: Promise anything, then try to weasel out of it. Good that you stuck to your guns, though it ended up either a win / win or a lose / lose, depending on your attitude towards that sort of thing, because yes, you got some CIM, but she got out of some of it via her preferred chest release.
I only brought up swallowing as an example of something that would be open to negotiation. In my opinion (and opinions are like a**holes. Soon to be mentioned. Everyone has one) good PSE involves three holes on her and one on you (rimming) with readily offered, maybe even sought, CIM. Obviously these are not mandatory on your part. You're paying so you can opt out of any of it. But it should be your choice, as I wrote: opt-out, not ask-in. If you opt out of enough, though, it becomes just sex with an enhancement or two. Nothing wrong with just sex if that is what you want, but labeling it as PSE is misleading: I saw that tag line and eagerly read the post only to find a fairly typical BG experience with what sounded like a good performer.
I think that PSE probably varies with the location. For example, I was just in the Philippines where in most cases PSE could best be described as soft-core porn. Here I expect hard-core. If you want a better, more enjoyable definition, I suggest you read the massage threads here, choose a highly reviewed oily (not soapy) provider, and take her for a whirl. Or you could just walk into the Eden Club. That is sort of Uber-PSE with wetsports, strap-ONS, and a two-girl minimum.
The drawback is, of course, that as a rule the looks of the provider decline as one goes farther into PSE. I always thought that was why the Eden club had its in-room pornos: I would concentrate on the video like there was going to be a quiz afterwards unless my view was blocked by female private parts. They cater to fetishes. Maybe I should have my fetish be, "I want to be blindfolded the whole time, including during the selection process. ".I guess I'm not all that adventurous sexually. I watch a lot of porn, other than an uncovered FJ, I got everything that is typical of the porn that I watch, which tends to be with the popular stars and the mainstream scenes (this would explain my definition of a porn star experience). I don't do anal, I don't want anything in mine, which just leaves two holes, which is what I got. CIM is my biggest fetish, I can't watch porn unless there's a powerful load being unleashed on the star. Something about a woman taking me and my load in her mouth drives me bonkers. But I think our definitions of PSE vary a lot, which is why you felt mislead. I think there's a thin line between porn star experience and fullfilling fetish desires. I'd prefer to ask for things, rather than having to opt-out. I don't like surprises. Definitely don't want to be in a situation where she starts to take a dump on my chest, and opting out would be too late! Hahaha.
I got everything that is typical of the porn that I watch, which tends to be with the popular stars and the mainstream scenes.Mainstream doesn't have a lot of anal? I thought Sasha Grey was a pro at that. I guess it hasn't progressed as far as I thought it had after I left (serious case of porn creep here).
...she starts to take a dump on my chest, and opting out would be too late! Hahaha.Probably not even at the Eden Club! I did have one pop out a little nugget during her O, though. That was awkward! More reason to stick with anal, I guess!
Like you say, everyone has a different definition. I THINK the one most common here is a little more hardcore, but no one else has weighed in, so perhaps not. We should discuss tipping for PSE: That would get things going! LOL!
Harry Dude
03-15-15, 11:10
Also, can anyone suggest a good regular (I. E. No extras) massage place, ideally in or near lower Sukhumvit?
I have been to these places along Sukhumvit, and they provide proper spa services:
Silk Spa, Sukhumvit Soi 13 (in the Trendy building).
Chivit Chiva Spa (branch 2), Between Sukhumvit Soi 17 and Soi 19, www.chivitchivaspa.com.
Urban Retreat Spa, Asoke intersection, www.urbanretreatspa.net.
Baan Dalah Mindbody Spa, Sukhumvit Soi 8.
Of course, if you meet the right girl then I am sure someone can negotiate extras.
Mainstream doesn't have a lot of anal? I thought Sasha Grey was a pro at that. I guess it hasn't progressed as far as I thought it had after I left (serious case of porn creep here).
Probably not even at the Eden Club! I did have one pop out a little nugget during her O, though. That was awkward! More reason to stick with anal, I guess!
Like you say, everyone has a different definition. I THINK the one most common here is a little more hardcore, but no one else has weighed in, so perhaps not. We should discuss tipping for PSE: That would get things going! LOL!You have to think of the porno industry like the p4 p industry. It costs more for anal, therefore, it's not as common as regular sex. I think they release anal every now and again to keep their audiences from dying of the same old mundane storylines and mediocre sex sessions. As much as I enjoy watching it, it's something I want to save for later, like a 40th birthday or for my future wife (if I ever have one). Ditto for 3 somes, although I want to see if I have enough skills to pull it off for free before my 50th birthday. Devils threesomes doesn't count fellas!
I'm fairly young (32), but I hope I never get so bored of sex that I need crazy / kinky / disgusting things to help get me off.
An accidental poopie? Ewwww. This is the reason why I don't want to do anal. I don't want to pull out and find a streak of brown on the condom, or have a pink sock incident. Why do it, when the most heavenly place on earth is 3 inches away?
Also, can anyone suggest a good regular (I. E. No extras) massage place, ideally in or near lower Sukhumvit?http://www.healthlandspa.com/
http://www.kingand-i.com/spa/spa/
SL.
http://www.healthlandspa.com/
http://www.kingand-i.com/spa/spa/
SL.Although I haven't used their services, I have heard good things about Health and Spa from friends who do.
There are many Thai style gogo bars in Suthisan near Saphan Kwai station. I have been there before last time might be 5-6 years ago. I with 3 more friends were in BKK for a weekend, they wanted to see something different so we went. The taxi from Asok to here about 100 bahts. We went in many shops and there were really crowded with almost all Thai customers. First we went to place called Rainbow (no relation to Rainbow in Nana) but too crowded so we walked around and went to placed called Chat. It was also crowded, but we found a table.
The system in this area is about the same, you order drinks, they will bring you drinks, but also comes snack plates, wet towels, ice bucket, ect ect, all cost extra, I see all customers take them so we did not refuse. There were several dancers on stage, and the waiters would take girls to different tables and ask you want lady. If you see a lady you like, you take her, you will be charged a sitting fee 200, I think you don't need to order drinks for lady, but our ladies did order some cokes.
I was really tired, because I was acting as translator, my friends speak zero word of Thai, there were some better looking girls, but were all taken already with Thai customers, and also a few girls refused to come because 3 of my friends could not speak a word of Thai, so we ended up taking sort of left over to sit with us.
If you don't speak fluent Thai, it's very hard to have fun, since all girls speak nearly zero English and waiters and mamasans also speak no English, with girls sitting without any conversation is not too much fun.
But there is lap dance time, the girl get on your lap and do a song of lap dance, you pay her 100 baht tip, I asked my girl which was not too attractive about going to hotel, she said it's 2000 include room. I later changed another sitting girl, but this one looked good on stage but close look wasn't too pretty, and my friends were getting bored because they did not want to take out their girls, we left chat and look for next shop.
Approximate money spent per person in my case, drinks 450+girl sitting fee 200 x2+lap dance tip 100 x2, about 1050 for 1 hour.
After Chat we walked around went in look a few places, a place called For You saw 2 nice tall dancers walking out with some Thai mafia looking guy and got into his Benz, we went in and look but was also very crowded with only 2 girls dancing and rest of them sitting already. We went to T-ded.
It was huge bar with multi dance stages. Was also crowded we took a seat, and I tip a waiter to bring me nice ladies.
He brought me a few a time, I think the best ones were gone or already with customers, so we compromised, after a few rounds, we each pick a lady, the level sitting with us was so so, other table's girls always look better, maybe it's dark, the further you get the better you look.
The time was late, so I communicated directly to the 4 girls, my friends want take out, they only do short time, no such thing as LT in Suthisan, they can take us to ST room across the street, all include 2000, by that time I was tired acting and talking all night as interpreter, I just wanted to get a girl and relax.
So my cost for the session, drinks 300 each person, girl sitting 200, ST 2000, tip to waiter 100.
My observation, the girls here are generally younger than Nana or Cowboy but not as playful. Its more like a coyote, they don't dress too sexy. There are some cute girls but majority are mediocre. They do not speak any English so if you cannot speak fluent Thai, you may be ignored by girls or waiters. This place cater to Thais, so don't expect wild sex, it is mostly a straight forward boom boom missionary ST go home place.
If you come, as a foreigner do not behave wildly, do not touch the girls if they refuse, there are lots of Thai thuggish looking guys working in this area, they are more than ready to gang on you if you behave crazy.
All the girls were polite, but not as playful as Cowboy, some girls look hard for take out, some girls don't care much for take out, seems like many are contended with all the sitting fees and lap dance tips.
It's nice change of scenery, but it is not as cheap as you think, for a ST, I think all the things you spend add up close to 2500-3000 up for a ST. Not much different from tourist place. And the best girls are probably taken by these Thai regulars or rich Thai guys who spread tips to everyone.
RandyM1991
03-16-15, 17:12
Due to an overnight layover in Bangkok I was able to Spend One Night in Bangkok!
It has been 7-Years since I have been to Bangkok so I was looking forward to partake in the Extra Curricular Activities while I was here.
I arrived early Saturday evening and had a quick dinner. A buddy of mine suggested Oskar Bistro and Levels and then if necessary go to Mix at the Intercontinental Hotel.
Oskar was quite lively and after a half hour or so I ended up chatting with a couple Beautiful Thai Girls. We ended up going to a bar at the Grand Hyatt (850 Bhat Entrance fee each including 2 drinks was quite expensive I thought). The western band was pretty good. They played good 80's music. After that I took one of the girls (her name is New) back to my hotel for an excellent end to my one night in Bangkok. I'm embarrassed to say (so I won't) how much I paid but it was double what my buddy told me was the maximum to pay. The best part of the night was that after drinking so much beer I had Whiskey Dick and we f**ked for an hour straight in all positions (which is unusual for me). She spent the night but had to leave early.
Yesterday (Sunday) I was able to walk around town and found a place called Dr. BJ's Nuru. I have never had a Nuru Massage before so I gave it a try. Per the recommendation of this forum I picked the girl with the nicest smile and seemed most interested (it didn't hurt that she was very cute too). This choice turned out to be an excellent choice!
The Nuru Massage was exactly what I was hoping for. Started out with me lying on the Rubber Mattress face down and the girl (her name was View. And yes it was quite a view) massaged my back, legs and ass with her P*ssy and Tits. She had fake tits (which I generally don't like) but they were the best I have ever felt.
Once she flipped me over she continued the massage with her Pssy and tits all over the front of me. The whole time she was smiling and was generally having a good time and don't rush anything. Without saying anything she started an awesome BBBJ (didn't ask if I wanted it covered. Which I didn't). After 5-minutes or so (not long enough for my liking) she was ready to do the deed.
As I said before I don't usually last very long and this girl did a very good job of getting me off in girl on top position. I came the first time in less than 5-minutes but she kept going bound and determined to get me a "Second Pop" as she said.
After I had had enough she proceeded to give me another soapy massage to clean me off. She also was flirting with another BBBJ but unfortunately my unit was not up for it.
Overall it was a good experience and at a cost of 2,000 Baht the price was right. I would highly recommend View.
Evening gentlemen.
A question. I have a whole day in Bangkok this Saturday & wondered where I could get my dick polished at about 10:30 am. I know Som's doesn't open till 2 pm but I want to save the afternoon load for Tulip or Snow White. Does anyone know what time [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s opens?
ActionOriented
03-17-15, 10:56
Evening gentlemen.
A question. I have a whole day in Bangkok this Saturday & wondered where I could get my dick polished at about 10:30 am. I know Som's doesn't open till 2 pm but I want to save the afternoon load for Tulip or Snow White. Does anyone know what time 's opens?They have a website, have you tried to check on Google? This is what the page says -.
Private area: prices start at Bt800.
We're open from 08:00 till 1:00 the next morning.
Private rooms: prices start at Bt1,700.
If you want to wine and dine or dance the night away with one of our.
Special girls, this can be arranged. Just ask the cashier.
http://lolitasbangkok.com/services.html
Supmam,
Try Annie's, it opens at 10 am and is between Son 2 and 4. It has its own thread on this forum. I've been once and it is worth the experience.
I haven't found much but could those that know I have a question about a Thai holiday and the potential interruption of mongering enjoyment. I'll be in Bangkok over Chakri Memorial Day. Is this a holiday that the bars / spas close or are forced to close for?
Thank you,
DS
Somewhere15
03-19-15, 01:39
I haven't found much but could those that know I have a question about a Thai holiday and the potential interruption of mongering enjoyment. I'll be in Bangkok over Chakri Memorial Day. Is this a holiday that the bars / spas close or are forced to close for?
Thank you,
DSAs far as I remember from former years no alcohol allowed.
In the old days funny enough this was not applicable for International Hotel who had a bar like Hayat (Spasso), Ambassador (Climax) and Sheraton.
But honestly with the military in place I can see that they apply the rule more strict then before.
Most bars are open bar they have signage that they have only non-alcohol (till 23:59).
http://www.healthlandspa.com/
http://www.kingand-i.com/spa/spa/
SL.Healthland Spas are recommended. 100% no-nonsense. Good and proper massage in clean surroundings. Please do a decent tip for the ladies.
Many of them around town. Book in advance just to be sure. Sometimes, hordes of tourists drop leading to a painful wait.
Cheers,
McM.
Traveler1234
03-19-15, 15:02
Evening gentlemen.
A question. I have a whole day in Bangkok this Saturday & wondered where I could get my dick polished at about 10:30 am. Star of Light in Patpong is another option for quick but excellent BJ and even FS. Although pickings might be slim.
Star of Light in Patpong is another option for quick but excellent BJ and even FS. Although pickings might be slim.I agree with the Star of Light suggestion. I was there again last night and had an excellent BJ right in the bar on the red Sophia facing the bar. OK, I am a bit of an exhibitionist and I get off quicker if I know there are people watching me. Excellent value as well at 700 baht and no need to buy a drink. Sorry I can't remember the girls name but I think that they are all good at their chosen career.
Johnie.
CallMeTony
03-20-15, 09:20
Hi,
Anyone knows where I could find a fit. Muscular lady?
Thanks,
Tony
Well, I RTFF extensively, which was really helpful and often enjoyable! Many thanks to all of you, especially prolific posters like Natty Bumpo and Paul Kaulsh, really enjoyed your stuff. Nice to record the memories in writing. And I hope my rambles may be of some value to other newbies. But seasoned travellers will probably just sigh at the naivety.
I'm not quite a newbie in Bangkok. With my then partner, on previous visits I've snuck away for sessions at EZ and Angel Massage, as well as other "proper" massage spas which included happy endings.
I'm 60 years old, fit, healthy and slim, but I do have an unfortunate problem. No problem with getting turned on / staying hard, but I now find it difficult to finish, and impossible in a condom. This is at least partly due to an operation plus complications in the groin area 3 years ago (I'll spare you the details). For this reason, at home in London, I indulge exclusively in so-called sensual massage. In other words massage + body-to-body + HJ (or BJ).
I stayed in the Sofitel Sukhumvit, thanks to numerous recommendations here. I realise you can get more than adequate quality for half the price in BKK. But how often can you stay in a 5* hotel for only 100 GBP / night? Sofitel in Europe costs 3-4 x the price. Outstanding service, really friendly staff. I loved it. No problem bringing girls in, no one ever stopped me or asked for I'd, always a polite smile from the doorman / woman.
Day 1.
Arrived at hotel 5 pm. Very tired after overnight flight. I really wanted a proper massage. Thought about a legit spa followed by BJ bar. But didn't really want the hassle of two venues. So I decided to go to Thonglor 2 (Soi 24) which I had read offers reasonable massages as well as extras. Chose 120 minute lotion massage, 1200 be, and Guitar from the book / mamasan recommendation. Decent room. She was nice, and her naked massage was lovely and relaxing for 90 minutes or so. Then routine covered BJ, sex and no problem finishing with HJ despite tiredness. 1500 be. Collapsed into bed.
TwoTimeTed
03-20-15, 21:27
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03-21-15, 03:47
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CallMeTony
03-21-15, 06:14
Hiya. Did a quick internet search on the name. Returns as a ladyboy place.
Really not my thing.
I meant real women, girls.
Thanks,
Tony
Went to La Belle mid afternoon. Huge place, up market bar area, and huge luxurious room with big bath. 20-30 girls (more when I left). Cheapest section was 3,800 be, rising to 7,000 (I think). These prices include the farang premium I assume? Couldn't see any difference, actually the two best looking to my eyes were in the 3,800 section. Chose Fern, very small, milky coffee coloured, ultra cute, the best looking girl I had the whole week. Not much English. Routine service bath, covered BJ, sex, finish with hand no problem. It's going well!
Mid evening, I decided to visit the Biergarten. No intention of going with anyone. Ha ha you've heard that before. I sat down at the bar. Before long an attractive 30-something sat next to me (later told me she was 39). Normally dressed, with glasses, didn't look like a hooker at all. Her name was M. I was grateful for someone to chat to, but no intention of going with her. I have to admit she played me really well. She was easy to talk to, didn't pressure me at all, just very gradually seduced me. After an hour or more, I realised I really liked her, and eventually agreed to go with her. Not because I particularly wanted more sex, but I wanted to continue with her company. We walked back to Sofitel, but stopped in the bar next door (next to Thermae) for a drink and 3 games of pool. I thought these girls were meant to be really good at pool? But I won all 3 quite easily (played a lot in teenage, but hardly since, so I guess I still have a good eye). Back to hotel. I agreed she could stay the night, as the BTS was about to close. We had oral both ways, sex, hand, but I couldn't finish. I wasn't bothered about this, even if she was!
Diary of a week in BKK Day 3.
(Days 1 and 2 below. Headings missing).
We slept late, so no morning sex. Again, I wasn't bothered about this. So it was ST but I let her sleep in my bed. 2,000 be.
2 months ago, I signed up with Thaicupid.com. Yes, I am half-heartedly looking for a new partner, and this seemed an opportunity to dip toe in water. OMG, so many 40-something enthusiastic Thai women looking for a farang husband like me. I arranged to meet 3 attractive ones on this trip. I spent today with Paa, with whom I had already exchanged quite a lot of online chat, so we already knew each other. She sells insurance. Well, it was fun to spend the day with her. We did some touristy things express boat along the river, what Arun, what Pho etc. Unfortunately it was a public holiday, so boats and temples packed. But the benefit was we got to see a really beautiful dancing ceremony at what Arun. We had dinner at the huge MK Gold in Ekkamai (thanks to Natty Bumpo for the recommendation). You cook the ingredients yourself at the table. It transpired that Paa once waitressed in an MK many years ago. So I let her order, cook on the table, and serve me. I was the only non-Asian there. I really enjoyed it. Paa went home from the restaurant. We held hands and stuff, but I was glad she didn't come onto me in a big way. I like her, but didn't want an ongoing relationship with her. But I agreed to meet again 3 days later.
I wandered out of the Sofitel at about midnight, wanting some action but with no plan. I had noticed that there was usually a decent freelancer or two on Sukhumvit near the Sofitel. In fact, I quickly saw a cute woman about as close as it is possible to be to the Sofitel in between the big pots with palms in, on the pavement right in front of the hotel. She told me she could give a proper massage as well as "look after me" for 1,500 be. I love massage, she seemed nice, so it was a no-brainier. Her name was Pin, 33 years old but of course looks younger. See photo. It transpired she works in a legit massage place in Soi 80-something from 11 am to 11 pm, then some nights tries her luck here. She gave me an hour of Thai massage, really good, then lots of kissing, BBBJ, great HJ finish, and general GFE-ness. Perfection, everything I want. I really liked her. Exchanged Line addresses. I put 2000 be in her handbag.
I'm 60 years old, fit, healthy and slim, but I do have an unfortunate problem. No problem with getting turned on / staying hard, but I now find it difficult to finish, and impossible in a condom. .Thanks for you reports thus far. I am about the same as you. Just turned 60, reasonably fit, slender, healthy and single. I can get / stay hard with stimulation, though I can finish in a condom, especially using one of the super thin Japanese condoms (though if you are well endowed, they may feel tight). However, after a few releases over a few days, I do need additional stimulation. Actually, I have never been in a situation where daily sex was available to me for a week or two, so I really don't know how I might perform.
Anyway, I have the opportunity to visit Thailand for a maybe 2 1/2 weeks in late April, to celebrate my 60th. (I am single.) If I go, I hope to get down to Phuket for a few days and possibly over to Pattaya. I am not the big city type and think I will tire of BKK within a week. Landscape photography is one of my hobbies, so I hope to maybe hire a couple of girls to show me around.
But hope you have a great time! Keep the reports coming.
It's always good to find things as you left them. Returning from Pattaya, after checking into the airport hotel I headed for town with several missions: Get a load for my SIM that will last for at least ten months, exchange some dollars to give me my starter money for the next trip, get snacks for my horrific economy trip back across the pond, and have one last glorious, mind blowing sexual encounter.
SIM: Check.
Cash: Check.
Food: Check.
Sex: Hey, three out of four ain't bad!
Bull! SIM cards can be repurchased. Money can be changed next trip. My left arm would be a perfectly adequate snack if worse came to worst. But blowing my last chance of sex with another human before I went to the Land That Sex Forgot is a tragedy that ranks up there with the disco craze and the Titanic, though the latter involved that lucky bastard Dicaprio getting killed, which moves me up one rung on the ladder of The Guy Who Gets To Screw The Supermodels. By my best estimate after a few more billion guys die I'm in the top billion. So many guys, so few ocean liners.
My plan was simple: Get the SIM loaded at the AIS place in Terminal 21 (I wanted to talk to someone to ensure it would be good long enough, so 7-11 was out), then use the phone to find out if Bell, she of the bionic rim job, was working at Cherry. If not, I was off to Som's. To cut to the chase, I ended up with the same chubby I had at my failed effort last visit. Yep, things were just as I left them. Obviously remembering her last failure she went all out, shedding the top early, which really didn't help. Yes, they are big. So are cow udders. I personally am not sexually attracted to most bovines. A bit of shape is important. There was a brief improvement when she had me lie flat on the couch and sort of did a tittty-f*ck, more like a titty-jack. When you can't see them they feel wonderfully soft if you really concentrate on not remembering. Right after the near ecstasy came the agony. The pendulous pods were moved north, dragging across my face. I was offered nipples that looked like they had served most of the population of Thailand. Whatever hope of victory I had had was dragged away. I will remember for the next months, then the memory will fade, occasionally revived when I see a fat chick or a cow, and Bangkok will again become the land of smiles and PSE.
Just for spite I'll close on a really unrelated topic, little boys sticking digits in dyk. I mean dikes. Twelve hours after bidding adieu to Miss Piggy I was winging my way home. But the trip had one more experience of note, an experience so bizarre that I felt it must be shared. You may have noted that the bar for things that must be shared is pretty low in my writing, maybe even on the ground, but this bit of literally toilet humor almost had me laughing even while in the throes of a major crisis. I was at the KAL business / first class lounge at Narita. Not terribly long before my boarding time I went to the restroom for a last chance to void my bowels. They have those bidet-seat things on the toilets. I've never used one but always like the little sink sprayers by Asian toilets, so I figured I'd give it a whirl.
I looked at the control panel beside me. It appeared to have come out of a space shuttle. There were probably ten or twelve buttons with various icons and Japanese hieroglyphics on them. I identified what I assumed was the front-wash, presumably for women or guys with really smelly balls, and two different back washes. One looked more like a shotgun blast, the other more of a sniper shot. I decided to get shot by the sniper. I pressed it. There were noises, but nothing seemed to happen. So I released it. Noises grew in intensity. The center of the control panel briefly illuminated and I saw 1:02 before it went dark. So, if the fountain ever started, I was going to get a one minute hosing off.
The fountain started. It felt like what I imagine you could get at the Eden Club for a lot less than that seat cost, though I doubt most girls would last the standard 1:02. But, of course, you have two girls, so.
Sorry, let's get back to Tokyo, and fast. So there I sat, rather enjoying my one minute sampler of that fetish, moving this way and that, chuckling to myself about some poor guy, already late for his flight, being forced to wait another minute. A fun excuse to give your boss, wife, copilot, or whomever. It's not like you can stand up and leave: That thing will chase you out of the stall like a (very) miniature police water cannon. No, your job for that minute is essentially that of the little Dutch boy with his finger in the dike, except that you use your butt and it isn't plugging a homonym for a butch lesbian. You remove your ass and the bathroom floods. Very slowly.
Yes, it was all fun and games until the minute was clearly over and I was still saving mankind from the biblical deluge. I stared at the control. The stall was gloomy so the icons were hard to decipher and the timer illegible without the backlight. Was it an on-off thing? Did I press the same button again to stop the geyser? Or would that just reset the timer? Would it shut off if weight were removed from the seat? What would a ball washing feel like?
Finally, I steeled my nerve and pressed the button again. The flow continued, but the backlight lit again momentarily, showing 1:05. Holy crap! I HAD reset the timer, with an extra three seconds this time! Wait. What time was it, anyway? My watch showed 1:05. It was just a damned clock. It wasn't a timer, so it must have an off switch. Carefully avoiding the ball wash I tentatively pressed a few buttons. Many exciting things happened in the vicinity of my anus, but they all involved a continued stream of water. It pulsed. It aimed high, it aimed low, it increased intensity, it decreased intensity. For all I know it changed colors. I may have a green butthole right now. This was Japan: I may have Hello Kitty painted on it.
Eventually I spotted a button with a red symbol. It could mean "off"; it could mean "boil". Either way I was going to get off that toilet after I pressed it: The equivalent of "sink or swim", but with the possibility of a guy dashing out of a stall with his pants around his ankles, hands gripping his butt crack with Hello Kitty peeking out between the fingers.
The flow diminished, then stopped. I shot off the thing before it could change its mind: If I had pressed some sort of delay button I planned to be long gone, leaving some poor guy to get shot in the face, maybe with boiling water, as he entered the stall. These sorts of events are not tabulated in the "Air Travel Is The Safest" statistics, I think.
Hi, I will be able to stay for 10 days in May in BKK, and do not see any mention of places specializing in flat chest girls, are they such place available? Sorry for the farang beginner question.
Diary of a week in BKK – Day 4.
Went to Nataree mid afternoon. Huge selection of mostly decent young girls, maybe 30-40, what a sight, and more there when I left. I asked the papasan which girls were ok with kissing. He said some, which one do you want, and I will ask her. I pointed to a sweet looking one. Uber-cute. He spoke to her, and indicated positively. She was in the cheapest category of 2,600. Her name was also Fern. Unfortunately, a bad choice! She was limp and inexperienced. Oh, and she wouldn't kiss, except for brushing of lips. Hey ho, never believe a papasan? Not a word of English. I have virtually no Thai, but I can count, so established she was yee-sib (20). She was gentle and caring and sweet, but didn't turn me on much. We went through the usual routine, bath / CBJ / sex / hand, but I was fairly sure I wouldn't finish, so I brought things to a close prematurely. I thought I would save myself for later. My room was good quality, large with a large bath – don't understand the comments about crap rooms here? Memo to self: go for the older (25+), less innocent looking ones.
In the evening, I went to Baccara in Soi Cowboy. From what I'the read, I didn't think I would like go-gos, due to the aggressive pushiness, etc. But I knew I had to see at least one. Wow – what a spectacle! Plenty of decent girls, although not that many seem to meet my eyes when I stared at them. And I didn't find it particularly aggressive. After an hour or so of just sipping my beer on my own, I started to lock eyes with a petite girl with short hair, somewhat Japanese looking. Offered her a drink. Her name was Ben. We went through the usual chit chat, she felt me up, kissed etc. After a bit I agreed to go with her. She went to change, she looked great in her regular clothes. Cab back to hotel, which of course took far longer than walking (but she had heels on.). Usual routine. A struggle to finish, so I decided to finish myself. With her body pressed against me, hands all over me, and her mouth locked onto mine, it was no problem, actually the most intense ending of the whole trip. 2,500 be. She went back to the bar.
I walked out of the hotel for some fresh air. Almost the first person I saw was Pin! Really pleased to see her again. No sex thank you, but I'll give you 1,000 for just a massage. (Yes, I know, I know, that's a ridiculous amount for a massage in BKK, but I really wanted to spend some time with her). Another great massage on my bed, followed by kissing, cuddling, chatting.
I wasn't tired and fancied a beer, so I said I was going to the bar next door. Her friend was outside (no customer) so I bought them both a drink. I wish I could have bottled that moment – the temperature at 1 am is lovely, nice cold beer, balcony view of the Thermae entrance with girls tottering out on their heels, her friend was a laugh, and above all Pin was being very GF-like. OMG I'm in love!
Diary of a week in BKK Day 5.
Met two Thaicupid women today. The first was very pleasant and attractive, middle class, reasonable English. Nice chat in Sofitel lobby then good buffet lunch in Japanese restaurant in Terminal 21,3 hours altogether. Later in the day, I get a battery of Line massages from her. You are the one for me, I want to spend my life with you etc etc. WTF?
In the evening, I did meet someone whom I could imagine spending my life with. Very good English, executive job (incl trips to the UK), own house, interesting, funny, attractive. We ate on the top floor of the Sofitel. Of course very expensive by Thai (but not London) standards, but a unique and interesting experience (the whole floor is mocked up as if it's an apartment). Great place for an up-market dinner date.
After that, ready for some action. Pin had messaged me to say she was tired and had gone home. I didn't want to go too far, so I went to the Thermae. Incredible sight, a pure cattle market! Mostly Asian blokes, and at least 50 girls. I spent quite a long time in there (mostly trying not to let my jaw drop 555). Eventually I settled on a nice looking girl-next-door type in a floral dress (ie not tarty enough to cause embarrassment in the Sofitel lobby 555). She didn't lock eyes easily, but I beckoned her over anyway, asked her if she would go with me. Price 2,500. I indicated too much, but she didn't seem very interested in negotiating or in me for that matter, so I thought this isn't going to work and moved on. I decided to look for another local freelancer outside.
I met Mai in the street. She was obviously not young, but seemed quite pretty and was very friendly. She only wanted 1,000. Disaster!! She was MUCH older than I thought from first sight in the dark street. When I saw her in the bright lights of my room, without clothes, I should have paid her off and gone out for someone else. But I decided to go through with it. To be fair, her BBBJ technique was the best I had all week, and I might have finished if she hadn't stopped. I really couldn't face sex, so we tried a bit of eyes-closed HJ to finish, but my heart wasn't in it. Hey ho the bigger the mistake, the greater the lesson learnt 555. Memo to self: don't be afraid to bail out at any stage; and take much more care choosing especially in a dark street.
TodayTomorrow
03-22-15, 21:07
Hi,
Just a quick question regarding dating. Which is the most reliable app / site in your opinion?
I have been reading about thaicupid or thaifriendly as good choices. But I think I also read about an app a while ago in here. Sort of a chat setup, as far as I can recall (just can't seem to find it as I'm tracking back in the treads).
T
Diary of a week in BKK Day 6.
Spent the daytime with Paa again (see Day 3). She took me to the Yaowarat temple, where there is a huge solid gold Buddha. Impressive. In the afternoon, we swam in the pool. She started to ask difficult questions about whether I was "serious" with her. I said sorry, no, communication was too difficult to have a proper relationship. I took her to an ice cream parlour, then said goodbye at the MRT.
I went to Shark in Soi Cowboy. A smaller version of Baccara. I preferred the more intimate environment, and the girls seemed more friendly. A girl came and sat next to me, can't remember name. Not my type, plus she had fish sauce breath, but I was happy to be asked the usual questions, and I bought her a drink. This led to lots of feeling up both ways, pleasant enough. Eventually though, I just told her I wasn't going to go with her, and she was gracious about that. Instead I fixed eyes on another girl, much more appealing to me. Again, can't remember name. I bought her a drink. In fact, 3 drinks, one in between each dance. She was a lot of fun, and I was getting really turned on by all the cuddling, feeling up, kissing. Plus the erotic dancing that she directed at me. I kept saying "maybe" in response to her inevitable question. Eventually she got 2-3 girls to surround me and chant "pay bar, pay bar. " I said "maybe" and she went off to dance again. I was completely torn. I really wanted to go with this girl, but Pin (see Day 3) had also messaged me to say she was coming to the Sofitel again. What a decision! In the end, after last night's disaster, I decided that Pin would guarantee me great extended service again, no risk, whereas there was the risk the Shark girl would go through the routine quickly and bail out. So I paid up where she couldn't see me (what a coward! And slunk away, feeling rather guilty.
Had another lovely repeat session with Pin. As I was still horny from the Shark girl, this time I wanted the sex first and the massage after. But I still regret not having a session with the Shark girl. Ah well, lucky to be so spoilt for choice.
Diary of a week in BKK Day 7.
I went to EZ 1 Massage mid afternoon. A year ago, I had managed to grab an hour there, when in BKK with my then partner. I had seen Gift, and had a fantastic session with her. I had emailed EZ a few days before to see if she was still there. She is sometimes, but need to make a booking. I didn't get around to making a booking, and really regretted it. There were 6 in the mediocre line up. The sexiest looking one had just said goodbye to a customer, so I decided not her. But the one I chose was cute enough. Her name was Yuki, and she was half Japanese half Thai. Nice girl, although very little English. We went through the oily routine. Somehow, I couldn't get particularly excited, and I didn't finish. Maybe I had BKK-fatigue by this point! So I asked her for kiss and cuddle, and she was really great, the best kissing session I had the whole trip. Pokey room, compared badly with eg La Belle / Nataree. 2200 be for 90 minutes.
In the evening, I decided I should see Nana. Well, I definitely prefer Soi Cowboy. Nana just seemed too much like a giant seedy brothel. Anyway, after a tour around, and being pawed by ladyboys, I went into Rainbow 4. Before long, a girl sat next to me, her name was Meow. Not bad looking, although rather silly voice (in keeping with her name 555). I bought her a drink, and we had the usual feeling up, grinding, kissing, very pleasant. But I didn't feel like going with her, so I told her I wasn't in the mood, and she was gracious about it. I left.
Pin had messaged to say she was tired and not coming tonight. I walked into the Biergarten, but M wasn't there, and no one caught my eye. So I wandered up Soi 11, and decided to have a look in Climax. Quite a few girls in there, although it was very dark, so difficult to see. One or two smiled at me, but I didn't have the courage / desire to open a conversation / buy a drink, especially as the music was so loud. The waitresses were friendly though. I enjoyed the band for a while. Now it was past midnight.
I decided to walk to Shark in Soi Cowboy to see if my girl from last night was still there. But on the way I walked through the massage alley between Soi 11-13. A really cute, tiny brown girl beckoned me into her parlour. A massage with her suddenly seemed really appealing 555. Her name was Pat. I had an hour's decent oil massage, at the end she teased around my groin for a long period. (This has happened to me before in BKK in a regular massage place, as if they are trying to get you off without actually touching it.) Massively turned on. Eventually, I couldn't stand it anymore and pointed down there. Explosive HJ. Nice finish to the trip. I gave her 1000 baht in total.
Christian G
03-23-15, 10:28
Hi,
Just a quick question regarding dating. Which is the most reliable app / site in your opinion?
I have been reading about thaicupid or thaifriendly as good choices. But I think I also read about an app a while ago in here. Sort of a chat setup, as far as I can recall (just can't seem to find it as I'm tracking back in the treads).
TI usually use Thaifriendly, but next time I would like try badoo also. For the app you can try WeChat, Tinder or Line.
I would appreciate if anyone can suggest a lady from PSE olies who gives good DFK, rimming and ball licking. What is the ongoing LT rate in Baccara, Suzy Wong or Crazy House? I have read the reports for last few weeks but could not find a definite answer. I understand that the rate varies but just wanted an approximate.
Thanks
Ralph Kramden
03-23-15, 15:48
Hi,
Just a quick question regarding dating. Which is the most reliable app / site in your opinion?
I have been reading about thaicupid or thaifriendly as good choices. But I think I also read about an app a while ago in here. Sort of a chat setup, as far as I can recall (just can't seem to find it as I'm tracking back in the treads).
TI think it depends on what you are looking for. ThaiCupid girls seem to be pretty intent on a serious relationship. Not too many ex-hookers on the site that I can see.
Diary of a week in BKK Day 8.
Paa had messaged me to say she had an early morning meeting near Asok, could she come and say goodbye? So she came to the hotel, I checked out, and we left for the airport in a taxi. Actually it was nice to see her again, now that she had no false expectation of a relationship, and have some company for the final couple of hours. Checked in, enjoyed coffee and cakes for an hour or so, then we said goodbye and I went through security. Daytime flight back to London on Eva, and plenty of time to reflect on a stimulating week!
Lessons learned.
The scale and range of BKK P4 P scene is quite overwhelming. I made some plans before, but I realise it's just as good to go with the flow / one's mood. (Although I'm disappointed I didn't get to a BJ bar, which was on my list.) I realise I am much more interested in GFE than I am in sexual performance. From what I have read, perhaps the Philippines would suit me better? So I found the soapy / oily massage routine a bit predictable and mechanical. My best experiences were both with 30-something freelancers who both had reasonable English, with whom I made a decent connection, and really enjoyed being with. Similarly, and somewhat surprisingly as I am not a party animal, I enjoyed my time sitting with go-go girls. It's worth spinning out the time with them in the bar as long as possible, before you get into the bedroom routine. Avoid young girls late 20's /30's girls generally have better English, are easier to relate to, and more fun. Finally, next time, if there is one, I will take longer and more care when choosing!
That's it. Have fun!
Carpaccio18
03-23-15, 22:57
What is the ongoing LT rate in Baccara, Suzy Wong or Crazy House? I have read the reports for last few weeks but could not find a definite answer. I understand that the rate varies but just wanted an approximate.
ThanksYou should expect a level of 3-4000 bht in those gogo bars. For a real popular beauty it could to 4500, but you shouldn't pay more than that. I find no one get unhappy with 3500 after the "up to you" routine.
Expect to pay an extra 100 for her taxi.
You should expect a level of 3-4000 bht in those gogo bars. For a real popular beauty it could to 4500, but you shouldn't pay more than that. I find no one get unhappy with 3500 after the "up to you" routine.
Expect to pay an extra 100 for her taxi.There are definitely plenty of girls that will not go LT for 3500. Some are trying to get 3 K just for ST. 2. 5 K for ST is definitely standard price for some good-lookers and maybe even some ugly ones. The popular ones just don't need to take less. Very popular girls don't like to do long time as they can get multiple STs per night and that is far less hassle if they don't know the customer. Some girls have other commitments are simply not available for LT.
Girls that are desperate for money will naturally take LT if they have to.
I never take girls for long time unless we know each other well, and both of us will be very relaxed about the whole thing. I pay them approx. Double the ST rate. I usually take only high quality girls that are not the cheapest, so I recognise that much cheaper girls are obtainable. I should add that taking bargirls LT is not common for me. I am usually happy with 2 hour ST.
I find one very popular girl is more happy to go LT when its very late, as she may have done two STs already earlier in the evening. On a good night this girl can pull 10 K total from multiple customers. She loves to do me ST at 6:30 PM, virtually before the bars hardly get going, or LT starting 2 AM. LOL. Other girls are struggling to get just one customer. So it varies greatly.
So there is no going rate for LT. Many girls just don't want to do LT at all. Some are persuadable if the price is right. Depends on the girl and if she likes you and there is chemistry, and how badly she needs the money, and her other commitments. Girls they say "up to you" may well be hoping for somewhat more than 3500.
There are definitely plenty of girls that will not go LT for 3500. Some are trying to get 3 K just for ST. 2. 5 K for ST is definitely standard price for some good-lookers and maybe even some ugly ones. The popular ones just don't need to take less. Very popular girls don't like to do long time as they can get multiple STs per night and that is far less hassle if they don't know the customer. Some girls have other commitments are simply not available for LT.
Girls that are desperate for money will naturally take LT if they have to.
I never take girls for long time unless we know each other well, and both of us will be very relaxed about the whole thing. I pay them approx. Double the ST rate. I usually take only high quality girls that are not the cheapest, so I recognise that much cheaper girls are obtainable. I should add that taking bargirls LT is not common for me. I am usually happy with 2 hour ST.
I find one very popular girl is more happy to go LT when its very late, as she may have done two STs already earlier in the evening. On a good night this girl can pull 10 K total from multiple customers. She loves to do me ST at 6:30 PM, virtually before the bars hardly get going, or LT starting 2 AM. LOL. Other girls are struggling to get just one customer. So it varies greatly.
So there is no going rate for LT. Many girls just don't want to do LT at all. Some are persuadable if the price is right. Depends on the girl and if she likes you and there is chemistry, and how badly she needs the money, and her other commitments. Girls they say "up to you" may well be hoping for somewhat more than 3500.At 9 pm get a girl from Nana parking lot or Biergarten for 1,000ST. There are plenty of hotties in both places. Have fun for an hour or two. Repeat at midnight for another 1,000ST for an hour or two. Waked up at 10 am and get some breakfast without having to deal with a bargirl still in your room complaining about something that Thai girls are famous for. Remember, you are there to monger, not deal with Thai girl bullshit. Go to blowjob bar at 11 am. Kasalong 700 baht is great.
3 pops with 3 different girls for 2,700 baht. Relax all day by the pool.
Hi, I will be able to stay for 10 days in May in BKK, and do not see any mention of places specializing in flat chest girls, are they such place available? Sorry for the farang beginner question.Cockatoo Bar in Soi Cowboy. But the girls there are not flat between the legs, I don't know if that's a problem for you?
But seriously, I think the answer is no. I've never seen a place that's specialized in flat chest girls. And that's not surprising in a country where most girls are happy if they have at least an A-cup.
AugustChrist
03-24-15, 11:40
I would appreciate if anyone can suggest a lady from PSE olies who gives good DFK, rimming and ball licking. What is the ongoing LT rate in Baccara, Suzy Wong or Crazy House? I have read the reports for last few weeks but could not find a definite answer. I understand that the rate varies but just wanted an approximate.
ThanksI would recommend Cherry MP -reputed for PSE. Basic rooms but had a great experience with Bell. Her oral skills are exceptional.
At 9 pm get a girl from Nana parking lot or Biergarten for 1,000ST. There are plenty of hotties in both places. Have fun for an hour or two. Repeat at midnight for another 1,000ST for an hour or two. Waked up at 10 am and get some breakfast without having to deal with a bargirl still in your room complaining about something that Thai girls are famous for. Remember, you are there to monger, not deal with Thai girl bullshit. Go to blowjob bar at 11 am. Kasalong 700 baht is great.
3 pops with 3 different girls for 2,700 baht. Relax all day by the pool.Yep, you have it figured out. But there are still some dudes who pay way more than that for their one pop. Usually a rollicking 10-15 min of action.
It's always good to find things as you left them...Just got to say that this was one of the funniest posts I've read on this, or any other, forum! I hope to hear more of your style sometime soon. Until then, do your best to avoid any water cannons. I think your luck might have already been used up.
That's Texas Massage, very likely.That is it! Texas Massage.
Hello friends,
I will be transiting from BKK and will be staying in any of the hotels near the Airport (Suvarnabhoomi). Can anyone please recommend any hotels near Airport which has massage+extra services? This is first time I will be staying and need help.
Finnish Fucker
03-27-15, 18:48
I visited Bangkok for 4 nights in March. A short summary.
1. Hotels. I stayed in Terminal 21 hotel. Nice place in a good location with good swimming pool and great room with a good view. A muslim owned hotel so no alcohol served in the whole hotel, wtf?
2. Soi Cowboy. The scene has changed a quite a bit since my last visit in 2011. Prices have gone up and quality gone down. I visited many agogo bars.
- Baccara was full of plastic girls and asian customers.
- Crazy House was a total crap, music so loud that it makes your teeth swing. No nice girls.
- Cowboy2 bar has some cuties but the prices are off the charts, 3000 baht for barfine and 3000 baht for the girl for ST. Many girls don't go out with the customers. Jeah!
- The rest of the agogo's were not good at all.
3. Nana Plaza.
- Rainbow 4 still has the best girls in NP but the place rebembles of Baccara in SC with many plastic dolls. Anyway some great asses here.
4. Patpong 2. More relaxed area with some nice agogos like Badabing and some good looking girls here.
5. Levels. Disco on top on the Aloft hotel on soi 11. Dark place with loud music. Many freelancers, some of them pretty nice.
6. Climax on soi 11, this place was buzzing and full of girls. Took a cute slim freelancer to my hotel.
7. Spasso at Grand Hyatt hotel. Older working girls there dressed up asking for 8000 baht for ST. I declined politely, LOL.
8. Shock disco. This place is full of indian punters and not so good looking hookers from post-Soviet states. It was a shock.
9. Thermae bar. This place was like a Macau sauna set up inside of a bar. Girls were lined up along the wall and punters sitting in the middle looking. Some nice girls here. I chatted up a cute busty thai girl who was reluctant to go with me because she was afraid I would have too big cock. Damn, what can you say in a situation like this when you have a can of Pepsi puffed in your pants, lol. At the end I left empty handed.
10. Massage parlours. I only visited soi 24 area. Many places here. Lineup varied a lot. I had a session in a place close to Mango massage. Forgot the name of the place. Girls dressed in uniforms like stewardesses, pretty nice lineup.
Bangkok was not as good as I remembered. For guys living in BKK it surely offers nice options but for occational visitor it is not as good. I would not go again for pure mongering, better to go directly to Pattaya.
I had a session in a place close to Mango massage. Forgot the name of the place. Girls dressed in uniforms like stewardesses, pretty nice lineup.Sounds like Addict Massage.
I generally agree with your assessment of Bangkok and the go gos have gone downhill tremendously. There is still decent value in the oilies but looks vary. The soapies have better lookers but much higher prices that can be beat elsewhere. Specialty bars like Star of Light are still nice.
Hello friends,
I will be transiting from BKK and will be staying in any of the hotels near the Airport (Suvarnabhoomi). Can anyone please recommend any hotels near Airport which has massage+extra services? This is first time I will be staying and need help.I did this a few years ago. Found there were only about 3 hotels very close to the airport. I chose the cheapest. Got a massage but there was no choice and only a HJ from an older lady was on offer. No one else was available.
My suggestion is either you head to a hotel in town and go to a massage place with extras. There are many listed on the forum. It is a little difficult if you are transiting between midnight and 10 am. You can also find some luck in the lower end massage places where extras can be found and you could always find a short term room.
A more expensive alternative is to book into one of the hotels near the airport and book an escort online. Can't help you with this as I have never used an escort in Thailand. Looking at such a service on the internet, I see it would cost you 5,000 baht for 2 hours for 2 shots.
Finnish Fucker
03-28-15, 08:59
The soapies have better lookers but much higher prices that can be beat elsewhere. If there will be a next time for me to visit Bangkok I will try some of the soapies.
I generally don't like so much fucking in the soapies and oilies or other kinds of clubs. I have had my share of this "club" fucking in German FKK's. I prefer to take a girl to my hotel for LT. This is getting harder and harder nowadays all over the world since most of the hookers want just ST, quick cash. Hop on-hop off.
Cheers, FF.
I visited Bangkok for 4 nights in March. A short summary.
1. Hotels. I stayed in Terminal 21 hotel. Nice place in a good location with good swimming pool and great room with a good view. A muslim owned hotel so no alcohol served in the whole hotel, wtf?
2. Soi Cowboy. The scene has changed a quite a bit since my last visit in 2011. Prices have gone up and quality gone down. I visited many agogo bars.
- Baccara was full of plastic girls and asian customers.
- Crazy House was a total crap, music so loud that it makes your teeth swing. No nice girls.
- Cowboy2 bar has some cuties but the prices are off the charts, 3000 baht for barfine and 3000 baht for the girl for ST. Many girls don't go out with the customers. Jeah!
- The rest of the agogo's were not good at all.
3. Nana Plaza..There has been a lot of chatter lately about prices in BKK getting too high and the service is getting too low. 6,000 for barfine and ST at Soi Cowboy. 8,000 at Spasso. WTF?
I think we are seeing a bubble here. Until that bubble bursts, we have Jakarta! Hotel Classic. 871 Thai baht ST. 1 hour with Indonesian beauties.
Paul Kausch
03-28-15, 12:11
If there will be a next time for me to visit Bangkok I will try some of the soapies.
I generally don't like so much fucking in the soapies and oilies or other kinds of clubs. I have had my share of this "club" fucking in German FKK's. I prefer to take a girl to my hotel for LT. This is getting harder and harder nowadays all over the world since most of the hookers want just ST, quick cash. Hop on-hop off.
Cheers, FF.All the oilies I patronize offer outcall to my hotel, hourly and overnight, which I now use exclusively.
Sorry, This post should not be in this thread, but I'm not getting a response when I post in the right place. Since this is the most active thread where I post, I'm putting it here. Has anyone been having problems re-subscribing to ISG? When I try to re-subscribe I get a message "username already in use", and the system won't process the credit card transaction. I've tried several times over the last couple of months so it's not a temporary problem.
Member #4410
03-29-15, 02:25
Sorry, This post should not be in this thread, but I'm not getting a response when I post in the right place. Since this is the most active thread where I post, I'm putting it here. Has anyone been having problems re-subscribing to ISG? When I try to re-subscribe I get a message "username already in use", and the system won't process the credit card transaction. I've tried several times over the last couple of months so it's not a temporary problem.I didn't have your problem, but I forgot my login details once so I had to start a new ISG existence with another user name. My previous person was Koperen Ko, but he doesn't post anymore. Now I'm posting as Koperen Karel and I'm just as happy. Maybe you should do the same.
Regards,
Ko.
I think we are seeing a bubble here. Until that bubble bursts, we have Jakarta! Hotel Classic. 871 Thai baht ST. 1 hour with Indonesian beauties.I'm not sure you can compare the ease and quality of mongering in Bangkok to that of Jakarta. IMHO Jakarta is a toilet, whereas BKK is a emerging mega.
City with a lot to offer outside of carnal adventures.
Styk.
ActionOriented
03-29-15, 05:56
Sorry, This post should not be in this thread, but I'm not getting a response when I post in the right place. Since this is the most active thread where I post, I'm putting it here. Has anyone been having problems re-subscribing to ISG? When I try to re-subscribe I get a message "username already in use", and the system won't process the credit card transaction. I've tried several times over the last couple of months so it's not a temporary problem.As far as I know, payment for the membership needs to be done only once, and if they sent you an email that you need to re-subscribe, pay no attention to it. You are already a senior member, and so long as you do not forget your login details, you will always have use of posting privileges and PM service, without having to pay again. Hope this helps.
I'm not sure you can compare the ease and quality of mongering in Bangkok to that of Jakarta. IMHO Jakarta is a toilet, whereas BKK is a emerging mega.
City with a lot to offer outside of carnal adventures.
Styk.That's why Jakarta is still great for mongering. Fewer tourists.
Wolvenvacht
03-29-15, 09:18
Hi, I will be able to stay for 10 days in May in BKK, and do not see any mention of places specializing in flat chest girls, are they such place available? Sorry for the farang beginner question.Just trawl the agogo-clubs in Nana or Soi Cowboy and I'm sure you will find some flat chested girls amongst those on display. That's the nice part of these agogo clubs, there is a lot of variety.
That's why Jakarta is still great for mongering. Fewer tourists.Good point.
There has been a lot of chatter lately about prices in BKK getting too high and the service is getting too low. 6,000 for barfine and ST at Soi Cowboy. 8,000 at Spasso. WTF?Agreed. Those are my local price levels. Flying half way around the world to LOS primarily for mongering purposes is starting to lose some luster.
SunLover.
I didn't have your problem, but I forgot my login details once so I had to start a new ISG existence with another user name. My previous person was Koperen Ko, but he doesn't post anymore. Now I'm posting as Koperen Karel and I'm just as happy. Maybe you should do the same.
Regards,
Ko.You are a senior member which means you are a member for life till some girl cuts your head off LOL.
Your user name is already there. Probably you forgot your password. You can request the password mailed to you.
They will e mail it to your e mail address which you used when you accepted the invite to enroll as senior member.
Mr Enternational
03-29-15, 20:44
Me and my wingman left home in Pattaya and arrived at BKK airport. We left our baggage in the storage place that is at the end of Counter N. The price is 100 baht/bag/day. We went outside to get a taxi. I do speak Thai and told the first guy that we were going to Sukhumvit Soi Nana. He ushered us into his taxi and when we were comfortable told us 500 baht! I asked if he was crazy. He said 400 baht. We got out and got into the taxi behind him. I offered the driver 250 baht to Nana. He accepted.
It has been about two years since I have been to Nana and much longer for my wingman. And now, to me, that place sucks. I remember being new to Thailand in September 2005 and thinking it was the bees knees. Now I think, "Someone would really choose this shithole over Pattaya?
I asked a girl in the Nana car park how much for short time. She said 1200 (I used to pay 500 there. In Pattaya I pay 1000 for long time.) We then went around back to see if the Nana Hotel club was open. A freelancer spotted us going down the alley and thought we were going to our rooms. I said no, we are going to the club. She said the club was closed.
We then went across to the bar next to Nana Plaza that used to be Black Cat or something. There were chicks there (not attractive in the least bit) who appeared to be freelancers, but mentioned a bar fine.
We left there and went to the Grace Hotel car park. I asked one freelancer about the club inside. She said it was 500 baht to enter. I said bullshit. She told me to go in and check. Sure enough it was 500 baht. I don't know why I can't remember that I am not in Pattaya anymore where all of the clubs are free to get in. When I got back to the lot the freelancer offered me short time for 1000. I told her that I only do long time. She said she only does short time.
We decided to grab a taxi right there in front of the Grace and head back to the airport. When I told the driver that we were going to the airport he asked if I wanted him to use the meter. Of course. We had to pay 2 tolls (50,25 baht). When we arrived at the airport the meter read 239 baht.
It has been about two years since I have been to Nana and much longer for my wingman. And now, to me, that place sucks. I remember being new to Thailand in September 2005 and thinking it was the bees knees. Now I think, "Someone would really choose this shithole over Pattaya?The Nana area is awful. Really awful. But, its one small section of the city and not at all typical of BKK. I can't stand Soi 4 and avoid it at all costs, especially during the day when the old alcoholics are perched on their stools in the beer bars. Depressing. But to my eyes that pales in comparison to the kind of human detritus that you see walking around Beach Road, Walking St, and other parts of Pattaya proper which is awful beyond belief. I actually loved Pattaya 15 years ago. Was there once a month for two or three nights. It was a blast. During low season you could shoot a cannon down Beach Rd and not hit anybody. I fondly remember the day the Starbucks on Beach Rd opened. 01 or 02 I think. For the first year or two if its existence we could sit upstairs, drink our coffee, and nary a soul would venture up there the entire afternoon. It had a real small town feel. No traffic either. Now it is always crowded. Beach Rd is full of amazingly skanky gals, UEOs (people of unidentified ethnic origin), and older out of shape Western guys, some of whom look like they have already been embalmed. Perhaps Jomtien is better, but wow Pattaya is kind of well "yucky" now for lack of a better term. Difference is in BKK you go one BTS stop from Nana and you are in another world far away from the horrors of Soi 4. Honestly, where do you go in Pattaya to escape the tourists and scummy locals? I have one friend who lives down there and it is for one reason. Cheap girls. Dude is 55, ripping good shape, and still does 3 gals a day. Pattaya fits his budget for that and that is his primary need. However, if chasing gals is not one's main motivation I would think Pattaya would be a tough place to live.
Had to attend a wedding there last Dec and while strolling the beach even saw two Farangs sleeping on the beach at 10 pm. I have the same reaction that you did about Bangkok. "Someone would actually choose this shithole over BKK?" To each his own I guess.
The Nana area is awful. Really awful. But, its one small section of the city and not at all typical of BKK. I can't stand Soi 4 and avoid it at all costs, especially during the day when the old alcoholics are perched on their stools in the beer bars. Depressing. But to my eyes that pales in comparison to the kind of human detritus that you see walking around Beach Road, Walking St, and other parts of Pattaya proper which is awful beyond belief. I actually loved Pattaya 15 years ago. Was there once a month for two or three nights. It was a blast. During low season you could shoot a cannon down Beach Rd and not hit anybody. I fondly remember the day the Starbucks on Beach Rd opened. 01 or 02 I think. For the first year or two if its existence we could sit upstairs, drink our coffee, and nary a soul would venture up there the entire afternoon. It had a real small town feel. No traffic either. Now it is always crowded. Beach Rd is full of amazingly skanky gals, UEOs (people of unidentified ethnic origin), and older out of shape Western guys, some of whom look like they have already been embalmed. Perhaps Jomtien is better, but wow Pattaya is kind of well "yucky" now for lack of a better term. Difference is in BKK you go one BTS stop from Nana and you are in another world far away from the horrors of Soi 4. Honestly, where do you go in Pattaya to escape the tourists and scummy locals? I have one friend who lives down there and it is for one reason. Cheap girls. Dude is 55, ripping good shape, and still does 3 gals a day. Pattaya fits his budget for that and that is his primary need. However, if chasing gals is not one's main motivation I would think Pattaya would be a tough place to live.
Had to attend a wedding there last Dec and while strolling the beach even saw two Farangs sleeping on the beach at 10 pm. I have the same reaction that you did about Bangkok. "Someone would actually choose this shithole over BKK?" To each his own I guess.My reaction also; I couldn't agree more. The only caveat is I haven't been to Pattaya in years largely because of what you have described. On the other hand, I can't count how many times I have been to Bangkok and haven't even bothered to visit the Nana area; I usually only go there when I'm with a friend who wants to visit the place.
My reaction also; I couldn't agree more. The only caveat is I haven't been to Pattaya in years largely because of what you have described. On the other hand, I can't count how many times I have been to Bangkok and haven't even bothered to visit the Nana area; I usually only go there when I'm with a friend who wants to visit the place.The Nana area has gotten worse and worse over the years. I am hopeful though that the slate of new condos and office buildings will lead them to clean up the area and get rid of the human trash. One week ago I had the misfortune of having to drive down Soi 4 about 1130 am on my motorbike. Saw a completely hammered late 50's farang dude pop out of his seat on the rail of one of the beers bars there, walk across the street, drop his pants, and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). Sadly the BIB on the corner did not see him. Deport the guy.
The Nana area has gotten worse and worse over the years. I am hopeful though that the slate of new condos and office buildings will lead them to clean up the area and get rid of the human trash. One week ago I had the misfortune of having to drive down Soi 4 about 1130 am on my motorbike. Saw a completely hammered late 50's farang dude pop out of his seat on the rail of one of the beers bars there, walk across the street, drop his pants, and shiit. Sadly the BIB on the corner did not see him. Deport the guy.
My reaction also; I couldn't agree more. The only caveat is I haven't been to Pattaya in years largely because of what you have described. On the other hand, I can't count how many times I have been to Bangkok and haven't even bothered to visit the Nana area; I usually only go there when I'm with a friend who wants to visit the place.Ditto this. I stopped going to Pattaya a few years ago due primarily to the never-ending stream of weirdos. People who, if you were in your home country, you'd cross the street to avoid.
Don't get me started on Soi Nana. I used to stroll down it every time I was in BKK, just for old times sake. I have many fond memories of the place. But now, OMG. The old railbirds, well into their cups by noon, the really ugly women, the skanks, the filth. It's all a bit much.
Oh, BTW, does anybody have a guesstimate as to the square footage of Underground, formerly Voodoo? I read recently, in Stickman, that the monthly rent was 660,000 baht. That's what, a bit over $20 K per month? That's got to be a staggering cost per foot. I suspect that the Nana Plaza bars will die a slow death of cash strangulation. I sense a high-rise shopping mall in its future, which may not be the worst thing to happen to this area, which appears to be far past its prime.
you could shoot a cannon down Beach Rd and not hit anybody.A large part of the problem is that we don't shoot cannons there more often.
I try to look at the cesspools of decrepitude like Nana and Pattaya (and really a LOT of other places) as a warning of what I will eventually become. I figure that when I don't notice it, I have become it. So it is actually a ray of sunshine in my life.
Me and my wingman left home in Pattaya and arrived at BKK airport. We left our baggage in the storage place that is at the end of Counter N. The price is 100 baht/bag/day. We went outside to get a taxi. I do speak Thai and told the first guy that we were going to Sukhumvit Soi Nana. He ushered us into his taxi and when we were comfortable told us 500 baht! I asked if he was crazy. He said 400 baht. We got out and got into the taxi behind him. I offered the driver 250 baht to Nana. He accepted.
It has been about two years since I have been to Nana and much longer for my wingman. And now, to me, that place sucks. I remember being new to Thailand in September 2005 and thinking it was the bees knees. Now I think, "Someone would really choose this shithole over Pattaya?
I asked a girl in the Nana car park how much for short time. She said 1200 (I used to pay 500 there. In Pattaya I pay 1000 for long time.) We then went around back to see if the Nana Hotel club was open. A freelancer spotted us going down the alley and thought we were going to our rooms. I said no, we are going to the club. She said the club was closed.
We then went across to the bar next to Nana Plaza that used to be Black Cat or something. There were chicks there (not attractive in the least bit) who appeared to be freelancers, but mentioned a bar fine.
We left there and went to the Grace Hotel car park..The parking lot girls always say 1200 or 1500. Just say 1000 and they all will go for that. Its not 500 baht like the old days, but better than some of the stories you read here.
Oh, BTW, does anybody have a guesstimate as to the square footage of Underground, formerly Voodoo? I read recently, in Stickman, that the monthly rent was 660,000 baht. That's what, a bit over $20 K per month? That's got to be a staggering cost per foot. I suspect that the Nana Plaza bars will die a slow death of cash strangulation. I sense a high-rise shopping mall in its future, which may not be the worst thing to happen to this area, which appears to be far past its prime.Staggering is the cost of commercial space in the Suk area. They have just converted a building at the mouth of Suk Soi 20 to several single wide shophouse type structures. They want 400 k per month for each single wide. WTF? So prices are rising along Suk for everything. Business owners are not making any money despite putting their prices up and employees are sure not benefitting. The only folks seeing return are the greedy landowners. More money in the pockets of the elite. Same Same.
I try to look at the cesspools of decrepitude like Nana and Pattaya (and really a LOT of other places) as a warning of what I will eventually become. I figure that when I don't notice it, I have become it. So it is actually a ray of sunshine in my life.Well stated. As I age I actually notice it more and more. Guess that is a good thing. Old alcoholics are a depressing lot. Not a club I will join.
. . . prices are rising along Suk for everything. Business owners are not making any money despite putting their prices up and employees are sure not benefitting. The only folks seeing return are the greedy landowners. . . That scenario must spell the beginning of the end for Soi Cowboy then.
It is prime real estate (land) and the buildings could be bulldozed in a few days if a developer decided to build something like a mall or even another hotel.
Who owns most of the properties along Soi Cowboy?
Is there one significant owner or corporation or are some of the bars owned freehold?
I could imagine them selling out very quickly if juicy big bucks were dangled in front of them.
That scenario must spell the beginning of the end for Soi Cowboy then.
It is prime real estate (land) and the buildings could be bulldozed in a few days if a developer decided to build something like a mall or even another hotel.
Who owns most of the properties along Soi Cowboy?
Is there one significant owner or corporation or are some of the bars owned freehold?
I could imagine them selling out very quickly if juicy big bucks were dangled in front of them.Interesting. There is a lot of talk about how this Iranian guy (often referred to as "the Arab" by those who do not know their geography) kind of ruined Soi Cowboy by introducing Coyote dancers to many of his bars, and adopting policies that are not very monger friendly, at least not to those who are used to a certain level of service and value at the go gos. But I have never considered whether he owns the land and buildings, or just the businesses. If he owns the land, this might answer the question many have about how he makes his money, and might offer an alternative to what may be the most popular answer albeit unverified: money laundering. Perhaps he is just holding onto an investment. But, then again, if he only owns the businesses, and not the land, someone else might be the land owner and might eventually be enticed to sell.
That scenario must spell the beginning of the end for Soi Cowboy then.
It is prime real estate (land) and the buildings could be bulldozed in a few days if a developer decided to build something like a mall or even another hotel.
Who owns most of the properties along Soi Cowboy?
Is there one significant owner or corporation or are some of the bars owned freehold?
I could imagine them selling out very quickly if juicy big bucks were dangled in front of them.Red, the shophouses on Cowboy are owned by different individuals. If there were only one owner it would have been gone a long time ago as it is some of the most valuable land in the city. My guess is that at some point it will become such a sore spot that the GoGos will have to go (no pun intended). With the prime location and plenty of parking in malls and buildings nearby my guess is that at some point it might become a strip of restaurants and bars when the "naughty" establishments are forced to "rebrand. " Don't think this will happen tomorrow, but within 10 years? Let's see.
Interesting. There is a lot of talk about how this Iranian guy (often referred to as "the Arab" by those who do not know their geography) kind of ruined Soi Cowboy by introducing Coyote dancers to many of his bars, and adopting policies that are not very monger friendly, at least not to those who are used to a certain level of service and value at the go gos. But I have never considered whether he owns the land and buildings, or just the businesses. If he owns the land, this might answer the question many have about how he makes his money, and might offer an alternative to what may be the most popular answer albeit unverified: money laundering. Perhaps he is just holding onto an investment. But, then again, if he only owns the businesses, and not the land, someone else might be the land owner and might eventually be enticed to sell.The "Arab" so to speak does not own the land as he is not Thai.
. . . My guess is that at some point it will become such a sore spot that the GoGos will have to go (no pun intended). With the prime location and plenty of parking in malls and buildings nearby my guess is that at some point it might become a strip of restaurants and bars when the "naughty" establishments are forced to "rebrand. " Don't think this will happen tomorrow, but within 10 years? Let's see.I think you might be right GS. All the more reason to "make hay while the sun shines", because it seems Thai business is sliding and needs a kick; even the Philippines is supposedly slipping ahead (see http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-30/move-over-thailand-the-philippines-is-southeast-asia-s-strong-man).
I never go near Nana, so if Soi Cowboy changed Bkk would lose a lot of its attraction for me.
Paul Kausch
03-30-15, 15:14
Unlike Soi Cowboy, Nana Plaza has one owner who leases space to the various bar owners. For some time, and especially since the remodel, rents have been soaring there. The increasing number of empty spaces is evidence of this.
There is speculation that one of the three gogo bar areas will eventually shut down. Most think Patpong will remain in business and one of the two lower Suk areas will close down. Some think it will be Nana Entertainment Plaza because there is one owner. Others think it will be Soi Cowboy because it is near the intersection of Asoke and Sukhumvit. Who knows what will happen? What impact would shutting down NEP or SC have on the entire neighborhood? Would fewer people stay in that area? Would it clean up the neighborhood, making it more attractive to the more numerous tourists who are not sex mongers?
Crocodilexp
03-30-15, 18:56
this Iranian guy (often referred to as "the Arab" by those who do not know their geography) kind of ruined Soi Cowboy by introducing Coyote dancers to many of his bars, and adopting policies that are not very monger friendly
The Arab ruined Soi Cowboy just as Bully (may he rest in peace) ruined Nana. The word is out that both were deriving income from other ventures (for instance, boiler rooms), and only using the bars to launder money. Not sure how many other current bar owners are in the same category. With no need to turn a profit, such owners have no real need to attract mongers or provide good service, just to make the bars look good enough to justify the earnings on the books.
Unfortunately, rising rents and shrinking pool of working girls has made bars unattractive both to punters and to owners who'd try to profit by appealing to customers (instead of just laundering money).
Staggering is the cost of commercial space in the Suk area. They have just converted a building at the mouth of Suk Soi 20 to several single wide shophouse type structures. They want 400 k per month for each single wide. WTF? So prices are rising along Suk for everything. Business owners are not making any money despite putting their prices up and employees are sure not benefitting. The only folks seeing return are the greedy landowners. More money in the pockets of the elite. Same Same.If left to the free market, rents will reach an equilibrium and stabilize. When, and if, vacancies become too high the price will drop. If an owner consistently has 100% occupancy then the rents are too low.
Between rising prices for commercial real estate (hardly unique to BKK lately), the drastic decrease in the female talent pool, and the change in the type of tourist who visits the LOS (read: fewer customers), I think the A-Go-Go business model is no longer viable. Using Stick's numbers, Underground / Voodoo would have to sell about 150 drinks (at 150 baht each) per day, simply to pay the rent. That may be possible in a consistently busy bar, but these days? Obviously Underground couldn't do it. Who will be the next to fold?
If the NEP starts to empty out, all other things being equal, the rents will drop. But, should that happen, my money's on the owners selling the joint, lock, stock and barrel, to a developer.
Unlike Soi Cowboy, Nana Plaza has one owner who leases space to the various bar owners. For some time, and especially since the remodel, rents have been soaring there. The increasing number of empty spaces is evidence of this.
There is speculation that one of the three gogo bar areas will eventually shut down. Most think Patpong will remain in business and one of the two lower Suk areas will close down. Some think it will be Nana Entertainment Plaza because there is one owner. Others think it will be Soi Cowboy because it is near the intersection of Asoke and Sukhumvit. Who knows what will happen? What impact would shutting down NEP or SC have on the entire neighborhood? Would fewer people stay in that area? Would it clean up the neighborhood, making it more attractive to the more numerous tourists who are not sex mongers?This showed up today, from Sunbelt Asia:
This popular Nana area bar is in a prime location and has been in business for 12 years with the current owner in place for much of that time. The busy bar is open daily from 11 am to 2 am and has five full time and thirty part time employees with a monthly payroll of 163,000 baht.
The bar has big screen TVs and music to keep bar patrons entertained. The rent on the bar is 404,000 baht while key money is 3 million baht every 3 years. The lease expires in June of 2015 but is renewable every 3 years. The business takes in over 21 million baht annual with a net profit of 5.8 million baht.
The business has great growth potential based on its key location and a motivated owner could see profits rise.
The owner is selling as he is retiring and returning to his home country.
ASKING PRICE: 17.5 million baht
Do these numbers make any sense to anybody? Selling for less than 1 year's sales? Fully 50% of a year's profit will vanish in June with the next key money payment (assuming that the key money will be due with the new lease)? Is the writing on the wall?
Hi, Mr. G.
Please flush some of the waste from your Inbox. I need to send you a PM but you're at capacity.
Thanks!
Paul Kausch
03-31-15, 00:10
This showed up today, from Sunbelt Asia
Do these numbers make any sense to anybody? Selling for less than 1 year's sales? Fully 50% of a year's profit will vanish in June with the next key money payment (assuming that the key money will be due with the new lease)? Is the writing on the wall?The owner is selling for annual net profit x 3, rounding up to 17.5 to open the negotiations.
The lease is up June of this year. Only a moron would buy the business without a new lease in place. What will the key money and rent be on the new lease? Surely the key money and monthly lease payments will go up. So it will cost a lot more than 17.5 upfront. If the key money goes up to 4 M and the rent up to 500 K, and I bet they will be much more than that, you're looking at 22 M for the business, the new lease and the 1st month rent. Plus I don't know what the norm is in Bangkok, but I bet more than one month rent has to be paid up at the time of signing. Then the new owner will want to do some refurbishing to get the new establishment spruced up, figure on some new FF&E, and there's working capital. How much does that come to? 25 M? More? How close do you want to cut it?
Let's look at the revenue side. Currently it pulls in over 21 M. What does over 21 M mean? If it was even 1 K more the ad probably would have read over 21.1 M. So figure on 21 M. The current annual net profit is 5. 8 M, but if rent goes up 100 K per month that alone pulls the profit down to 4. 6 M; that's if the gross and all the other expenses don't change. Let's say the new owner is really good, works his ass off and can up the gross about 10% to 23 M. Assume the operating expenses only increase by the same 10%. The profits would go up to 6. 3 M. If you could increase that 2% a year in the second and third years of the lease at the end of three years you'd have made 19.3 M in net profits. You'd have recouped maybe 60% of your up front costs and can look forward to negotiating a new lease with another increase in the key money and the monthly rent. Maybe at the end of the second lease you can recoup the other 40%, so now you're even right? Wrong! Don't forget the time value of money. Six years from now 25 M is worth a lot less than 25 M, so you're still behind. And if you believe these pie in the sky assumptions you probably also believe in the Easter Bunny.
Alternatively, how much would you have in 6 years if you put that 25 M into some quality securities?
Maybe the would be owner figures he can drink for free and fuck all the female employees. Of course this means he's stupid, lazy and not working very hard. Not likely that business model will improve the bottom line.
Better off investing that money and spending the income off the investment on hookers and Leos.
Hi, Mr. G.
Please flush some of the waste from your Inbox. I need to send you a PM but you're at capacity.
Thanks!Hi Phord,
Thanks for the head's up! Waste has been flushed and all ready to go.
If left to the free market, rents will reach an equilibrium and stabilize. When, and if, vacancies become too high the price will drop. If an owner consistently has 100% occupancy then the rents are too low.
Between rising prices for commercial real estate (hardly unique to BKK lately), the drastic decrease in the female talent pool, and the change in the type of tourist who visits the LOS (read: fewer customers), I think the A-Go-Go business model is no longer viable. Using Stick's numbers, Underground / Voodoo would have to sell about 150 drinks (at 150 baht each) per day, simply to pay the rent. That may be possible in a consistently busy bar, but these days? Obviously Underground couldn't do it. Who will be the next to fold?
If the NEP starts to empty out, all other things being equal, the rents will drop. But, should that happen, my money's on the owners selling the joint, lock, stock and barrel, to a developer.Phord, when you start factoring in money laundering and other forms or corruption then the idea of a free market kind of goes out the window. I think that is true for many businesses here not just the naughty nightlife.
. . . . How much does that come to? 25 M? More? How close do you want to cut it?
. . . Better off investing that money and spending the income off the investment on hookers and Leos.Agree with everything you said Paul and Phord.
25 M baht is chicken feed to some of these corporations and individuals who live in another stratosphere to you, me and most guys on ISG.
In the Philippines some of the politicians and tycoons throw around millions of pesos as though it is monopoly money. I am sure it is exactly the same in Thailand. The former PM's families probably spend 25 M per week as petty cash on travel and luxury items.
If one of these tycoons wants to take over the NEP lease and turn it into something other than gogo bars then that is game set match.
I returned from Cambodia last night and visited NEP. I was accompanied by a friend who last visited Nana about twelve years ago and was leaving Bangkok for Canada in early morning. It's not my favorite place to go but agreed to cruise through as my friend wanted to see the changes from his prior visit and the current action. For one thing, I guess Nana was also a ping pong venue twelve years ago so he wanted to see a show though explained this has not been part of the complex for quite a few years.
We were both appalled by the number of lady boy bars. How many are there -- five or so now? Not to mention the LB's that are slipped into the lineup of regular girlie bars without informing novice customers, some of whom may not know the finer points of telling the difference between actual girls. I also pointed out the recently closed Underground, which even though a LadyBar, brought a certain energy to that corner of the complex. It sure seemed dead in that area now. The other noticeable aspect was a lot of the girls from the go go bars seem really young and immature. Watching them hanging around outside their respective bars was like watching junior high kids in a playground during recess. After I explained about the current bar fine structure, long time vs. Short term, general pricing for girls, coyote concept etc. , my friend was ready to leave. He found the whole place boring and ridulously expensive, and I concurred. We never went into any of the bars except for taking a peek inside.
In my view, this complex is doomed. I see a large condo building and complimentary retail stores going in here within the next few years and further gentrification of the entire street over time. With all the upscale malls nearby, it seems unlikely another full scale mall would be built.
Nigh, the end is near.
Agree with everything you said Paul and Phord.
25 M baht is chicken feed to some of these corporations and individuals who live in another stratosphere to you, me and most guys on ISG.
In the Philippines some of the politicians and tycoons throw around millions of pesos as though it is monopoly money. I am sure it is exactly the same in Thailand. The former PM's families probably spend 25 M per week as petty cash on travel and luxury items.
If one of these tycoons wants to take over the NEP lease and turn it into something other than gogo bars then that is game set match.
TwoTimeTed
03-31-15, 06:05
This showed up today, from Sunbelt Asia:
This popular Nana area bar is in a prime location and has been in business for 12 years with the current owner in place for much of that time. The busy bar is open daily from 11 am to 2 am and has five full time and thirty part time employees with a monthly payroll of 163,000 baht.
The bar has big screen TVs and music to keep bar patrons entertained. The rent on the bar is 404,000 baht while key money is 3 million baht every 3 years. The lease expires in June of 2015 but is renewable every 3 years. The business takes in over 21 million baht annual with a net profit of 5.8 million baht.
The business has great growth potential based on its key location and a motivated owner could see profits rise.
The owner is selling as he is retiring and returning to his home country.
ASKING PRICE: 17.5 million baht
Do these numbers make any sense to anybody? Selling for less than 1 year's sales? Fully 50% of a year's profit will vanish in June with the next key money payment (assuming that the key money will be due with the new lease)? Is the writing on the wall?That means the owner already got word on the increase in rent and the key money increase. He wants out now.
In my view, this complex is doomed. I see a large condo building and complimentary retail stores going in here within the next few years and further gentrification of the entire street over time. With all the upscale malls nearby, it seems unlikely another full scale mall would be built. Nigh, the end is near.Good riddance! Soi 4 has become such an eyesore. Would be great to get rid of all the day drunks.
This showed up today, from Sunbelt Asia:
This popular Nana area bar is in a prime location and has been in business for 12 years with the current owner in place for much of that time. The busy bar is open daily from 11 am to 2 am and has five full time and thirty part time employees with a monthly payroll of 163,000 baht.
The bar has big screen TVs and music to keep bar patrons entertained. The rent on the bar is 404,000 baht while key money is 3 million baht every 3 years. The lease expires in June of 2015 but is renewable every 3 years. The business takes in over 21 million baht annual with a net profit of 5.8 million baht.
The business has great growth potential based on its key location and a motivated owner could see profits rise.
The owner is selling as he is retiring and returning to his home country.
ASKING PRICE: 17.5 million baht
Do these numbers make any sense to anybody? Selling for less than 1 year's sales? Fully 50% of a year's profit will vanish in June with the next key money payment (assuming that the key money will be due with the new lease)? Is the writing on the wall?Guys,
Before anybody seriously considers to get involved into this business I recommend to read the piece below and do some further research into this direction:
http://www.andrew-drummond.com/2015/02/thailands-boiler-room-operations-part-1.html
There are 3 major players out of this environment around the Nana lease; one has not been seen for a while now, another one (owning a number of bars there) died a few weeks ago in the North of Thailand and a third one was forced out of business some years ago.
Many Nana bars will be on the market soon. In the past year there were developments that changed the power structure in this district, and the situation has not stabilized yet. For those who still want to get involved my prayers:
Forgive them for they know not what they do.
Giotto
That means the owner already got word on the increase in rent and the key money increase. He wants out now.That's most likely not correct!
The Nana master lease changed ownership on 01.07. 2012 - and the sub-leases were massively increased that time. They nearly doubled in some cases. Some bar owners were forced out of business, others gave up because they did not see any chance of profitability any more.
The situation in Nana is also not easy after certain well-known events. It will not be easy to increase the lease further.
Giotto
Guys,
I'm seeing a lot of negative talk about Nana, Soi cowboy. I'm planning to go with some friends in a few weeks. Can some veterans recommend some good mongering spots?
I initially had Nana & Soi Cowboy planned, but now I'm not so sure.
Any feedback / suggestions / advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
TwoTimeTed
03-31-15, 22:30
Guys,
I'm seeing a lot of negative talk about Nana, Soi cowboy. I'm planning to go with some friends in a few weeks. Can some veterans recommend some good mongering spots?
I initially had Nana & Soi Cowboy planned, but now I'm not so sure.
Any feedback / suggestions / advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!I would still keep those on my list. I was there in Jan / Feb 2015 (a few months ago). Not bad compared to where I come from, you can't get tail that cheap and with abundance.
These guys on here are belly aching because prices have risen and quality has suffered since the days they've fist landed on the scene. Understandable. But if each of them were to look back at their own countries and compare prices, Thailand still a bargain. When the day comes it is not a bargain, Thailand will become a ghost town, but in the meantime, its still good. Go to Nana, go to Soi Cowboy, have fun, go ahead and be the 2 week millionaire.
Paul Kausch
03-31-15, 23:34
Guys,
Before anybody seriously considers to get involved into this business
GiottoYour experience certainly makes your opinion very credible.
I don't think anyone who posted on the topic thinks buying a bar in or near Nana Plaza is prudent.
Paul Kausch
03-31-15, 23:42
Guys,
I'm seeing a lot of negative talk about Nana, Soi cowboy. I'm planning to go with some friends in a few weeks. Can some veterans recommend some good mongering spots?
I initially had Nana & Soi Cowboy planned, but now I'm not so sure.
Any feedback / suggestions / advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!Go to both. If you've never been to either it will be new and interesting. The guys complaining are comparing what they are like today to what they were like in the good ol' days, and you can never beat them good ol' day.
I also recommend you visit a couple of the oilies. Bamboo, Cherry, Mango, Snow White and Tulip are worth checking out. I also recommend checking out Annie's for a soapy, and Dr BJ's Nuru and Dr BJ's Salon. Bamboo, Annie's and the Dr BJ's establishments are relatively close to the Nana BFS station. Cherry, Mango and Snow White are close to the Phrom Phong BTS station. Tulip is at the Thong Lo BTS station. You can find information about all of these on this forum.
I would still keep those on my list. I was there in Jan / Feb 2015 (a few months ago). Not bad compared to where I come from, you can't get tail that cheap and with abundance.
These guys on here are belly aching because prices have risen and quality has suffered since the days they've fist landed on the scene. Understandable. But if each of them were to look back at their own countries and compare prices, Thailand still a bargain. When the day comes it is not a bargain, Thailand will become a ghost town, but in the meantime, its still good. Go to Nana, go to Soi Cowboy, have fun, go ahead and be the 2 week millionaire.The relevant comparison may not be between Thailand and one's home country. It may be between Thailand and other countries one might visit. For example, for mongering there is at least a good argument Jakarta is better than Thailand these days. Or maybe the Philippines (although I haven't visited it so don't really know).
It is sort of like what happened with Brazil a few years back when the real was very strong, and, prices became very high. I began running into quite a few men I had initially met in Brazil traveling in Asia rather than Brazil.
That said, Thailand still has its attractions, but its attractiveness as a mongering location has diminished a bit lately. And that is particularly true for Nana and Soi Cowboy (I agree with Paul's suggestions about alternate places to go; I would add that although the service is generally not good there, it might round out the experience to visit a place like Nataree (for eye candy) or some other (non-Annie) soapie).
The relevant comparison may not be between Thailand and one's home country. It may be between Thailand and other countries one might visit. For example, for mongering there is at least a good argument Jakarta is better than Thailand these days. Or maybe the Philippines (although I haven't visited it so don't really know).
It is sort of like what happened with Brazil a few years back when the real was very strong, and, prices became very high. I began running into quite a few men I had initially met in Brazil traveling in Asia rather than Brazil.
That said, Thailand still has its attractions, but its attractiveness as a mongering location has diminished a bit lately. And that is particularly true for Nana and Soi Cowboy (I agree with Paul's suggestions about alternate places to go; I would add that although the service is generally not good there, it might round out the experience to visit a place like Nataree (for eye candy) or some other (non-Annie) soapie).Very good points, indeed. Virtually anywhere is better than the USA. I have no idea where the OP is from, but flying half-way around the world, simply for $100 short times, well, your money can be spent better elsewhere, IMHO. If you're going that far, certainly other SEA countries offer better value. Central and South America, as well as Mexico and some Caribbean locations, are viable options for those in the western hemisphere. Thailand certainly has its attractions, but the ladies are not the big draw, and certainly not the value, they once were.
Very good points, indeed. Virtually anywhere is better than the USA. I have no idea where the OP is from, but flying half-way around the world, simply for $100 short times, well, your money can be spent better elsewhere, IMHO. If you're going that far, certainly other SEA countries offer better value. Central and South America, as well as Mexico and some Caribbean locations, are viable options for those in the western hemisphere. Thailand certainly has its attractions, but the ladies are not the big draw, and certainly not the value, they once were.No matter where you are in the world, a bad day's mongering is always better than a good day in the office.
Pipe Layer99
04-01-15, 12:09
.... snip... Thailand certainly has its attractions, but the ladies are not the big draw, and certainly not the value, they once were.Especially in regards to Bangkok. It used to be good value and great times at least over the past 4 years. Now not so much. I generally enjoy a week to 10 days in Bangkok before going to Pattaya. However, on my last visit there a month ago, I was disappointed in the girls AND their ridiculous prices. I actually had 2 FL women (one 32 and the other 36 years old) ask for 3000 baht at the Hillary bar (the one with the live band). I laughed it off and offered 1500. They wouldn't play along. The funny thing is that they were both older and a little heavier and still asking for a gogo girls' price.
On this 8 day stop over I only had 2 girls that were decent, 2 girls were ok, and 1 was a real dud that I picked up from Climax. Too bad because she had beautiful face and big tits too. Back in the room she sucked and not in a good way. She was trying to be a bone killer. She had to get up during sex to use the bathroom 3x within 30 minutes. I chastised her on the third trip to the bathroom and explained to her that I want to enjoy my time and the session. When she came back I had to jerk off and play with the melons to get hard again. Then I banged her hard and fast to get my nut. She got sent away with 1000 baht after one pop.
Fortunately, I had the pleasure of spending two days with a beautiful regular girlfriend (not a working girl). Otherwise the stay in Bangkok would have been considered a bust. Next trip to Thailand, if I do spend a couple of days in Bangkok, my time will most likely be spent in a couple of soapies and/or oilies.
Especially in regards to Bangkok. It used to be good value and great times at least over the past 4 years. Now not so much. I generally enjoy a week to 10 days in Bangkok before going to Pattaya. However, on my last visit there a month ago, I was disappointed in the girls AND their ridiculous prices. I actually had 2 FL women (one 32 and the other 36 years old) ask for 3000 baht at the Hillary bar (the one with the live band). I laughed it off and offered 1500. They wouldn't play along. The funny thing is that they were both older and a little heavier and still asking for a gogo girls' price.
I used to wonder about these big older unattractive (to most) ladies asking very high prices. I have heard various explanations. They are really semi-pros who will offer a lower price if they fancy the guy; they are real pros who have already turned one or two tricks that day and could not be bothered but if you are offering silly money they will be bothered. Or they are the ex-wives of falang who have some money and will only put out for big money from a newly.
Go to both. If you've never been to either it will be new and interesting. The guys complaining are comparing what they are like today to what they were like in the good ol' days, and you can never beat them good ol' day.
I also recommend you visit a couple of the oilies. Bamboo, Cherry, Mango, Snow White and Tulip are worth checking out. I also recommend checking out Annie's for a soapy, and Dr BJ's Nuru and Dr BJ's Salon. Bamboo, Annie's and the Dr BJ's establishments are relatively close to the Nana BFS station. Cherry, Mango and Snow White are close to the Phrom Phong BTS station. Tulip is at the Thong Lo BTS station. You can find information about all of these on this forum.Thanks Paul! I'll be sure to check them out.
Crazy4Thai
04-02-15, 08:52
Go to both. If you've never been to either it will be new and interesting. The guys complaining are comparing what they are like today to what they were like in the good ol' days, and you can never beat them good ol' day.
I also recommend you visit a couple of the oilies. Bamboo, Cherry, Mango, Snow White and Tulip are worth checking out. I also recommend checking out Annie's for a soapy, and Dr BJ's Nuru and Dr BJ's Salon. Bamboo, Annie's and the Dr BJ's establishments are relatively close to the Nana BFS station. Cherry, Mango and Snow White are close to the Phrom Phong BTS station. Tulip is at the Thong Lo BTS station. You can find information about all of these on this forum.Paul is doing a good job of pointing out that it's not all about the gogo scene. I do not go to those places except to have a look now and then. There is the freelance scene, on the street used to be much better but if you enjoy the hunt you can still find a gem. Do you like late nights and discos? Many of those and they are loaded with FL. There is an occasional mention of the little massage shops over by Villa Market on Soi 11. These are brothels with 2 to 6 ladies in each. I can get a 1 pop P.S. Experience there for 1,300 baht just about any time day or night and some of them are easy on the eyes. The same is true of the BJ bars. I can get a 1 pop P.S. Experience there for 1,300 baht by picking the right provider and talking about it first. "how much you tip me?" 500 baht gets me all I want. I've been around long enough to to have experienced the good old days. They were GREAT actually. But I'm not complaining, I can always find a willing partner who enjoys it as much as I do. Oh yeah. You might be surprised at some of the gems hidden in smallish beer bars. Keep an open mind and go out there and find some fun.
Arrived in Bangkok yesterday. Went to Dr. BJ around 4 PM. When I went inside and told the receptionist what I wanted, I was hit with a huge lineup of almost 30 girls. I had a hard time choosing. Finally I picked #J only because I thought she was the prettiest even though she was on the upstairs balcony. Boy, I was right. She was beautiful, nice face, slim body and long hair. I won't describe the routine which was very standard. I found out she only started 2-3 months ago. Her BJ skills were okay, not great. But she had a great attitude, very friendly and accommodating, and allowed CIM. The price was 1000 bt. I tipped her 100 bt which surprised her.
AirlineCrew
04-02-15, 12:28
I've been around long enough to to have experienced the good old days. They were GREAT actually. But I'm not complaining, I can always find a willing partner who enjoys it as much as I do.And don't forget, someday this will count as the good old days. Who knows what will change in the next 10 years? (hopefully all for the best).
Paul is doing a good job of pointing out that it's not all about the gogo scene. I do not go to those places except to have a look now and then. There is the freelance scene, on the street used to be much better but if you enjoy the hunt you can still find a gem. Do you like late nights and discos? Many of those and they are loaded with FL. There is an occasional mention of the little massage shops over by Villa Market on Soi 11. These are brothels with 2 to 6 ladies in each. I can get a 1 pop P.S. Experience there for 1,300 baht just about any time day or night and some of them are easy on the eyes. The same is true of the BJ bars. I can get a 1 pop P.S. Experience there for 1,300 baht by picking the right provider and talking about it first. "how much you tip me?" 500 baht gets me all I want. I've been around long enough to to have experienced the good old days. They were GREAT actually. But I'm not complaining, I can always find a willing partner who enjoys it as much as I do. Oh yeah. You might be surprised at some of the gems hidden in smallish beer bars. Keep an open mind and go out there and find some fun.Thanks Crazy. I'll be going with a large party of 7+ people, so I don't think the massage places are able to accommodate us. Do all the discos / clubs have FL girls?
Everyone tells me to be careful when dealing w / FL because of ladyboys or scams.
Arrived in Bangkok yesterday. Went to Dr. BJ around 4 PM. When I went inside and told the receptionist what I wanted, I was hit with a huge lineup of almost 30 girls. I had a hard time choosing. Finally I picked #J only because I thought she was the prettiest even though she was on the upstairs balcony. Boy, I was right. She was beautiful, nice face, slim body and long hair. I won't describe the routine which was very standard. I found out she only started 2-3 months ago. Her BJ skills were okay, not great. But she had a great attitude, very friendly and accommodating, and allowed CIM. The price was 1000 bt. I tipped her 100 bt which surprised her.Yes they probably don't get that many tips but if they do they would probably expect a bigger tip. I would not tip that low personally but everyone has different standards. I would tip a drinks waitress only 100 baht for a fair amount of time but then I got no blow job.
I was enjoying watching seceral pretty girls dancing totally nude at Crazy House today. Slim and pretty but also some nice tits around. I decided that I was hungry and to dine in.
I bought drinks for 3 taller model types, and they were hungry too. About 6 dishes to share between 4 cost me 850 Baht approx. And I got superior entertainment than those silly Coyote joints.
Naam was working front of house, but is back to dancing nude. She was a great choice to sit on my lap as only 42 Kilos. Also was 78 Noi an ex waitress and 91 Oom with light skin.
BFed Oom for ST being my be sample with her. After a few tequilas she was loose alright. Nice kissing, receptive to DATY, good BBBJ, not restrictive but I did not ask for anal. Kissing was good.
She is a good fuck when in the mood. She really likes a good sex session on ocassions.
One of maybe only 3 or 4 really enthusiastic fucks I had at this place. Oom never looked likely so too me a long time to try her, yet she is pretty.
Only very ocassionally can find such looks in an MP.
Despite some new very good lookers, the club is not busy mid week.
Has any tried the Big Apple Coyote G Club? I got a hint that an ex Crazy House girl that was best stunner ever maybe working there.
Paul is doing a good job of pointing out that it's not all about the gogo scene. I do not go to those places except to have a look now and then. There is the freelance scene, on the street used to be much better but if you enjoy the hunt you can still find a gem. Do you like late nights and discos? Many of those and they are loaded with FL. There is an occasional mention of the little massage shops over by Villa Market on Soi 11. These are brothels with 2 to 6 ladies in each. I can get a 1 pop P.S. Experience there for 1,300 baht just about any time day or night and some of them are easy on the eyes. The same is true of the BJ bars. I can get a 1 pop P.S. Experience there for 1,300 baht by picking the right provider and talking about it first. "how much you tip me?" 500 baht gets me all I want. I've been around long enough to to have experienced the good old days. They were GREAT actually. But I'm not complaining, I can always find a willing partner who enjoys it as much as I do. Oh yeah. You might be surprised at some of the gems hidden in smallish beer bars. Keep an open mind and go out there and find some fun.Crazy4 Thai, you are doing it right. Keep up the small bar hunt, that really is where the true gems are now.
Has any tried the Big Apple Coyote G Club? I got a hint that an ex Crazy House girl that was best stunner ever maybe working there.If posters could indicate the address / Soi number when mentioning Clubs / MPs so that thoseof us planning our next trip can make a note for future reference.
Just a thought!
Guys,
I'm seeing a lot of negative talk about Nana, Soi cowboy. I'm planning to go with some friends in a few weeks. Can some veterans recommend some good mongering spots?
I initially had Nana & Soi Cowboy planned, but now I'm not so sure.
Any feedback / suggestions / advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!On the ground live reports. Nana has gone off a cliff the past few days. Girls not showing up for work-its as bad as I've seen the last 10 years.
Even prime time is slow!
Crowd count has plummeted the past few day at Nana. Stages full of girls now only a third of stage full. Usually not of the good looking variety.
Moving to Bangkok as a spry thirty four year old in 99, I was overwhelmed at the sheer volume of P4 P gals available in the many venues on and around Lower Sukhumvit Road. After a fairly sleepy day the area would erupt into with a plethora of working girls and mongers. Truth be told there was very little else in the area. Starting with Soi Nana and ending at Soi Cowboy, the area was really a mongering Disneyland. From the Plaza, to Nana Disco (just an unreal party every night till 2 am. Chocked full of lookers; all 1 k baht) to Soi 11 which was simply the soi the Grand President was on, and in front of the area between sois 11 and 13 was a huge open space with a beer garden that was ringed with shops and in the evening that beer garden was populated by, you guessed it, working girls. Clinton Plaza complete with ST Hotel in the back, Beer Bars across the street in the area that is now Chuvit Park (great story about that one), Thermae stayed open till 6 am, Asoke Plaza where Interchange tower is, and gals lurking in every alcove along the way. You could not walk down Sukhumvit after dark without hearing "go with you" "go with you" every 20 meters. When Nana and Cowboy closed gals who did not get a customer that evening would try to latch onto any dude standing outside. It was the most wonderful kind of madness. The atmosphere was open, fun, and just one big party. As long as you did not hurt anyone else, you could pretty much do whatever you wanted to within reason. At 34 I was one of the youngest guys in the scene. There were lots of 40's, 50's, and 60's expats both making good salaries or retired out and about as well. One reason for choosing BKK was seeing these older dudes all with incredibly hot 20 something gals.
And the P4 P sex mirrored this environment. Gals in the biz wanted to make money, but also wanted to have fun. Salaries in GoGo bars were 6, 7, and 8 for clothed, topless, and nude dancing. ST was 1 k, LT 1. 5 K. Gals wanted to drink, dance, and have a big party every night with their BF, whomever it might be. The actual sex really was GFE. Very little PSE at that point, in many ways much to my disappointment, but the GFE was as available as a bowl of noodles on the street. Skill sets were not amazingly polished but the enthusiasm of the gals and the fact they wanted to have a great time somewhat made up for that.
Purachai's Social Order crackdown that started in '02 was the first game changer. Early closing times, [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) tests in bars, etc led to a slow death of the every night is a party night feel that Lower Suk possessed. Albeit a slow decline, it was obvious after a year the direction things were headed. Before I would be hard pressed to choose a gal, often passing up great opportunities knowing that something else and better was just one bar away or 20 meters away.
By the beginning of '06 things the decline had become very apparent. Not only were there fewer gals out on the game, but the quality and the "fun" factor were rapidly disappearing. There would be nights when I really wanted to tear one off but would troll the GoGos, Thermae, and the street and come away empty handed.
The coup in '06 marked the second point of the scene's decline (the first being the Social Order Crackdown). After my first Thailand coup the "feel" of Bangkok as a city changed. After the longest period of stability since WWII Thailand was back to its old tricks again. I think this had a very profound effect on the psyche of the city's population. Politically there has been no stability since and Bangkok has transformed into a real "big city" with typical "big city" attitudes. People were just not as freewheeling and happy and the "farang" seemed to be just a bit less welcome as a resident then before.
The late '00's saw more and more turmoil but throughout that the economy seemed to prosper and with that fewer and fewer gals were entering the biz. This was really apparent with the dwindling numbers of "part-timers" to be had. The "part-timer" was my favorite. There were gals that would come to Thermae and Nana Disco a few times a month just to supplement their pitiful office worker wage. Most were degreed, fairly intelligent, and selective. They went with dudes who they thought they could have fun with. I had several of these who would drive us to the PB Hotel in their cars. Fabulous! These gals were usually excited, horny, and fun.
Perhaps the last demarcation point was the flood in '11. With a large portion of the city thigh deep in water, many gals just could not make it to Lower Suk to ply their trade. Many never returned once the waters retreated. Since then the decline has been steep in all areas. Add in the GoGos turning into tourist areas and the worsening demographics of the Nana area, and the once Disneyland is all but a memory.
Which brings me to my quandary. Back in the day the gals were not so "skilled' but the majority wanted to have fun and at least acted like they wanted to be there. Now the lookers get by on just being lookers. With the days of fun GFEs kind of a thing of the past I am faced with two options. Younger better looking gals who for the most part are not very skilled, not looking for fun, and wanting to grab that money and get out as fast as possible (amazing to pay 3 times what you used to for far less service), or much much older gals with very polished skill sets who just aren't that attractive. I am finding that even the younger gals in the PSE shops don't really have the repertoire to make a 90 minute session interesting. The approaching or over 40 set is quite different. Many have mastered the art of stimulation and even during a long protracted BBBJ they are still not out of tricks. They are in tune to a man's zones and know how to coax, how to tease, and how to give pleasure. Now truth be told in many ways I don't find either of these options to be optimal. Old well, is old. And unskilled is well, boring after 5 minutes. When I have either experience I leave kind of just thinking "meh. " So I really don't take that many gals these days. My three to four a week has dwindled to 3 a month and perhaps at some point it will be even less as the rotation of oily gals that I like is dwindling as they age. Old and skilled or young pretty and fairly useless. Not really great choices in my mind. Would love to see a place with amazingly well trained gals between the ages of 25-32.
Oh, and those dudes who are in their 60's now in Bangkok; well you don't see them with the hot 20 somethings but rather with 40 and up somethings, yikes. Well, change is constant.
But hey, it's still an awesome food town.
Nice write up and I fully empathise with you.
The beer bars in the area that is now Chuwit Park used to get good mix of all sorts.
Do not forget all the bars under the expressway at "Soi 1" as it used to be called, along the railway track.
Manila used to wonderful at those times too, Ermita was just fun fun fun. Just like Purachai messed with Sukhumvit so Alfredo Lim messed up Ermita.
The ones messing things up now is the low cost no frills airlines, they are just pumping people everywhere and everything is getting messed up totally.
Moving to Bangkok as a......................................
On the ground live reports. Nana has gone off a cliff the past few days. Girls not showing up for work-its as bad as I've seen the last 10 years.
Even prime time is slow!Thursday night in Crazy House I certainly noticed the number of customers was down, but the number of girls was up. An excellent line up. Some former star girls not there but plenty of replacements.
The girls are finding business tough right now. One slim tall girl previously very popular with Korean and Japanese customers commented that was her first drink for evening that I bought her. Previously she was too busy with regulars for me to get near her.
So the problem is clearly the numbers of men are down. This can make some girls not show up to work if prospects to make money are not good. Is it merely low season or is there some other reason for decline in numbers of men?
Crocodilexp
04-03-15, 17:27
Moving to Bangkok as a spry thirty four year old in 99...Amazing summary. For me, the Sukhumvit freelancer scene finally died in early 2010. After that, there was very little on offer and when I did partake, the service ranged from forgettable to disappointing.
Part-timers have been the best thing about the scene. Back then, you could meet girls from various parts of the country and background, friendly and interesting beyond just a quick shag. The breath of choice was incredible. Now the entire industry seems to be a small section of an Issan underclass.
As for the oilies, they're still a good deal, but the decline is inevitable.
Moving to Bangkok as a spry thirty four year old in 99, I was overwhelmed at the sheer volume of P4 P gals available in the many venues on and around Lower Sukhumvit Road. After a fairly sleepy day the area would erupt into with a plethora of working girls and mongers. Around 99 and for a few years before, I had a GF and few trips to Thailand and few opportunities to monger. My first mongering in Thailand had been around 1992. I recall getting a girl for the night at Soi Cowboy for 500 Baht typically then.
Thoughout the 90's there various brief visits to Thailand where I mongered at some Soapies like CPII and some bars like Lollipop at Nana. Thermae was already in decline. 2002 got a new GF. I remember fee in CPII for sex back then was 1 K (this was for ST). So prices since 1992 had obviously jumped tremendously. New GF lasted about 3 years then had more chance for miscellaneous mongering for 1 year before accidentally picking up another new GF.
Not being in Thailand all the time, I did not get so pissed off with the whole scene, and time for mongering was always limited. Approx. 2008 split with GF and had plenty of time for mongering, but had to get used to a new set of prices. However prices in Oilies have not risen much since that time. Bar girls prices do seem to have risen somewhat but not astronomically for a 7 year period.
There are still plenty of newbie girls entering the business with same levels of inexperience as they ever had many years ago. Finding young super looking pornstars is as difficult as it ever was. Sure there are more girls in the category of trying to extract large money for a quickie with no service. That was not a big factor at all 20+ years ago. Super looking girls are realising they can get customers too easily these days.
20 years ago I would pick the best looking girls in bars that I could find. When I look at the photos now, some look pretty ordinary. As we get older, I believe we get a lot more fussy about the looks, and requiring a higher standard of service, so everything looks worse than before. When I was 35, any girl seemed miles better than my ex wife.
If bar girls and Oily girls attitudes to the customers have declined badly, whose fault is it? Like are they understanding the lousy characters of the customers and don't find these guys so exciting to fuck any more? Why were they so enthusiastic 20 years ago? Were the guys better, or just had a lot of money to spend compared to what they were used to, or nicer treatment from the guys?
If it really is all going to shit, who to blame? Is it the massive influx of Japanese and Koreans making the Farangs boring and penniless now? The cost of living has risen very steeply since 20 years ago, no doubt.
Nice write up and I fully empathise with you.
Do not forget all the bars under the expressway at "Soi 1" as it used to be called, along the railway track.Thanks!. Ah yes, Buckskin Joe's later Soi Zero. Site of the original Det-5 bar.
If bar girls and Oily girls attitudes to the customers have declined badly, whose fault is it? Like are they understanding the lousy characters of the customers and don't find these guys so exciting to fuck any more? Why were they so enthusiastic 20 years ago? Were the guys better, or just had a lot of money to spend compared to what they were used to, or nicer treatment from the guys?Yes, yes, and yes. Pre-crazed internet days and when BKK was still thought of as "edgy," the guys you saw here were mainly on expat packages and / or had money to spend. Of course with the exchange rate at over 40 and prices far less than they are today more Westerners had "money" to spend.
Crazy4Thai
04-04-15, 02:25
If it really is all going to shit, who to blame? Is it the massive influx of Japanese and Koreans making the Farangs boring and penniless now? The cost of living has risen very steeply since 20 years ago, no doubt.IMHO it is actually a complex picture and I will describe what I think is ONE factor. The short version of this is that the players on both sides of the game have simply become callused. Even new talent becomes callused in a short time. Here is my example. Like many others here I like the experience with part timers. One version of a part timer is the service staff in gogos or beer bars. I have had some very good experiences with some of these ladies. They can seem to be surprised and flattered when I invite them to go with me instead of the "pros" and the experience in the room has been remarkable. Lately I've had a different experience. 3 times now, the service lady has been eager to go but has been a non performer in the room. As a result I pay a minimal amount and they squawk demanding the price of gogo talent. The last one offered a HJ for 2,000 baht! She's obviously dreaming of big money for minimal effort. It's all about what they've heard and it's all about the money. Unlike when the money and the fun were on at least equal footing. Callused.
Robert Long
04-04-15, 03:03
IMHO it is actually a complex picture and I will describe what I think is ONE factor. The short version of this is that the players on both sides of the game have simply become callused. Even new talent becomes callused in a short time. Here is my example. Like many others here I like the experience with part timers. One version of a part timer is the service staff in gogos or beer bars. I have had some very good experiences with some of these ladies. They can seem to be surprised and flattered when I invite them to go with me instead of the "pros" and the experience in the room has been remarkable. Lately I've had a different experience. 3 times now, the service lady has been eager to go but has been a non performer in the room. As a result I pay a minimal amount and they squawk demanding the price of gogo talent. The last one offered a HJ for 2,000 baht! She's obviously dreaming of big money for minimal effort. It's all about what they've heard and it's all about the money. Unlike when the money and the fun were on at least equal footing. Callused.Sounds like are rotating the go-go girls. Tonight they do the service jobs tomorrow they get to hustle. Same hurry up attitude to get back to the floor for the next John.
Someone will get smart and change the atmosphere. Get away from the stage and pole and into something like a mellow Jazz club. Stop the dam loud music and the boring pole dance. Kind of a hostess club setting. Girls in Bikinis as waitress that can sit down a squeeze your second head. There is nothing of interest in Nana that is worth my time.
RL.
I went to Bangkok Beat last night as it is one of my favorite haunts. As usual, plenty of girls there, though almost all P4 P but there are the occassional part timers and / or freebies, which is what I am on the lookout for. While walking about, I spied a cute and attractive girl with a nice perky figure about 22 yo. She was standing in the corner of the bar next to another girl who definitly looked like a P4 P. I exchanged glances with the cutie and she smiled back so decided to slip next to her.
Within a minute we were dancing on this spot and within two, we were kissing and fondling each other. I asked her a question and she immediately asked her friend what I said. Her friend then told me that my cutie did not speak English. However, she offered her translation services and said her friend would go with me for 3000 bt LT. Not sure if they were really friends or just met at the club but, nevertheless, I countered with 2000 bt for LT whereupon my new girl enthusiastically agreed.
So far so good, except this older American guy who was talking to our translator interjected himself into the conversation by telling me that my friend did not speak English and the going rate was 3000 bt LT. I told him I knew about her lack of English and that she had just accepted my offer for 2000 bt. Then this guy has the audacity to say that I am cheap and the girl has a 'family to support' and should pay the higher rate. WTF!! I told him the going rate was 2000 bt for LT here (at midnight). In actuality, the going rate is whatever the buyer and seller agree is a fair exchange for goods and services wherever you might be. Frankly, it was none of this guys business and he had his head up his ass by even talking to me about it. To top it off, he looked at me disapprovingly as I left with my friend.
When we arrived back at my apartment, I immediately noticed she had an outstanding body; not disturbed by child birth further confirming this guy had no idea what he was talking about. She was quite fun and wanted to get down to action right away even skipping the usual mandatory shower. As her friend had put a language app translator on her phone I was able to communicate with her in Thai vs. English. At this point, she told me that she had her very first orgasm with me and loved me (LOL). Ah. Its a many splendid thing! This was thanks, in part, to lots of liberal DATY on my part. The sheets were absolutely soaked when I was done and she had came quite a lot. I suspected that she had never gone with a farang before and not gone for P4 P based on her overall comments, behavoir in bar (most P4 P girls loath kissing a guy in a public place), and her overall mien. Also, she was not shaved, which is not my favorite when dining at the why but, at times, exceptions have to be made.
She did leave at 4:30 am as she said that she had an early work day. Since I had a good time with her, I had no problem giving her the 2000 bhat plus 100 for taxi. So not fully LT but we made another date for Sunday. Overall, just a yummie time not withstanding the price moderator in the bar.
I got in to BKK at 2300 Friday and was expecting a hour waiting on immigration, customs and luggage like my last visit. But that hour later I was checking into my room on Soi 8 (see Bangkok Hotels post for that report). After getting rid of the travel funk I went to the Soi 7 Beer Garden (0030-Sat). I had read that it was a decent place to find a friend for the night. Was about 20 ladies there but half were already occupied and of the remainder only a couple appealed to me. Am (think that was her name) came over and we talked a bit and drank. She's 29 with dark skin, BS and nice little ass. Has a rose tat on her upper right arm. She lives in Issan but comes to Bangkok to work the weekends, stays with her sister here. Went dancing at Bangkok Beat for awhile along with couple more drinks. Then off to climax. BTW you can get a 3-pack of Durex from the bathroom attendant. After some kissing and light fondling took her back to the hotel.
Great body when I got her clothes off. We started with taking a shower together which included a BBBJ and more kissing (tongue included). When I got her to the bed we kissed and I sucked on her erect nipples with a combo of FIV play, then moved on to DATY. After she came she grabbed my hair and rolled me over and went straight for junior. Took him in one hand while she licked and sucked my balls. Kissed up the shaft and took me all in and no gagging. I'm average size not porn star; if I was then be a series of Dan San vs. The LBFM movies. After a great BBBJ moved onto mish (where the bathroom purchase came in handy), doggy, both cow girls and finally mish again. Finally came after 30 minutes (not normal for me, too drunk so no feeling). She cleaned me up and since I was still drunk-hard and she wasn't done playing cowgirl went for another ride, bare back this time. I was getting real into it before realized there was no protection so had her finish me off with BBBJCIM. Both tired at this point so went to sleep.
Saturday morning about 0730 she said she had to go. After she got dressed laid next to me in bed and we kissed some more while she played with junior. I fondled her through her clothes while she did another BBBJ. She took her panties off and we did another round of mish and doggie. I was still hungover this morning and was tired from long trip too. But she was a determined girl and rode cowgirl until CIV.
I brought the remaining baht from my last trip and just exchanged $100 at the airport. So after our night of drinking / eating ( 1000 baht) I didn't have enough baht. Had spent rest on taxi and unexpected hotel deposit. So gave her a $100 bill and she was happy. Also at no time did she mention price and even bought some of our rounds and food.
Would I repeat=very much yes but use condom. Biggest con was since she's a true freelancer and does bareback without much thought increased chance for disease.
I'm in Bangkok for another few days then move on to Patong. So time to go eat and sample more ladies so I have something to report on tomorrow.
DS
I went to Bangkok Beat last night as it is one of my favorite haunts. As usual, plenty of girls there, though almost all P4 P but there are the occassional part timers and / or freebies, which is what I am on the lookout for. While walking about, I spied a cute and attractive girl with a nice perky figure about 22 yo. She was standing in the corner of the bar next to another girl who definitly looked like a P4 P. I exchanged glances with the cutie and she smiled back so decided to slip next to her.
Within a minute we were dancing on this spot and within two, we were kissing and fondling each other. I asked her a question and she immediately asked her friend what I said. Her friend then told me that my cutie did not speak English. However, she offered her translation services and said her friend would go with me for 3000 bt LT. Not sure if they were really friends or just met at the club but, nevertheless, I countered with 2000 bt for LT whereupon my new girl enthusiastically agreed.
So far so good, except this older American guy who was talking to our translator interjected himself into the conversation by telling me that my friend did not speak English and the going rate was 3000 bt LT. I told him I knew about her lack of English and that she had just accepted my offer for 2000 bt. Then this guy has the audacity to say that I am cheap and the girl has a 'family to support' and should pay the higher rate. WTF!! I told him the going rate was 2000 bt for LT here (at midnight). In actuality, the going rate is whatever the buyer and seller agree is a fair exchange for goods and services wherever you might be. Frankly, it was none of this guys business and he had his head up his ass by even talking to me about it. To top it off, he looked at me disapprovingly as I left with my friend..Don't you hate it when some guy butts in like that to tell you your business. What a jerk! Most likely he was jealous. You never know what transpired earlier before you arrived. Maybe she turned him down even at 3,000 Bt because of his attitude. It proves the old saying, "There is no fool like an old fool. " Glad that your night turned out so well, T.
So far so good, except this older American guy who was talking to our translator interjected himself into the conversation by telling me that my friend did not speak English and the going rate was 3000 bt LT. I told him I knew about her lack of English and that she had just accepted my offer for 2000 bt. Then this guy has the audacity to say that I am cheap and the girl has a 'family to support' and should pay the higher rate. WTF!! I told him the going rate was 2000 bt for LT here (at midnight). In actuality, the going rate is whatever the buyer and seller agree is a fair exchange for goods and services wherever you might be. Frankly, it was none of this guys business and he had his head up his ass by even talking to me about it. To top it off, he looked at me disapprovingly as I left with my friend.
Just like there are ISGers who want to 2nd guess someone's posted experience (and never game to post their own experience), there are those who can't mind their own business. He could be helpful and warn BB customers which ones are lady boys, but certainly has no business in price deals, even if you offered a lousy price (by modern standards). The girl may have been happy to get anything at all. To me there is no going rate. Different girls have different prices and can vary depending on the customer too.
IMHO it is actually a complex picture and I will describe what I think is ONE factor. The short version of this is that the players on both sides of the game have simply become callused. Even new talent becomes callused in a short time. Here is my example. Like many others here I like the experience with part timers. One version of a part timer is the service staff in gogos or beer bars. I have had some very good experiences with some of these ladies. They can seem to be surprised and flattered when I invite them to go with me instead of the "pros" and the experience in the room has been remarkable. Lately I've had a different experience. 3 times now, the service lady has been eager to go but has been a non performer in the room. As a result I pay a minimal amount and they squawk demanding the price of gogo talent. The last one offered a HJ for 2,000 baht! She's obviously dreaming of big money for minimal effort. It's all about what they've heard and it's all about the money. Unlike when the money and the fun were on at least equal footing. Callused.I think depends a lot on level of experience of the girl and if she ever had good sex before, or how often.
I remember 20 years ago a young newbie at Nana Plaza. She liked the sex so much, she kept waking me up for more through the night. I guess Thai boys previously had been slam bam thankyou mam types. Can't say I have had an experience like that in recent years, with a girl clearly of so limited experience, but loving sex. I have had some very experienced older semi-nymphos LOL. Very few semi-virgins around any more. LOL.
Many customers don't care if the girl likes the sex or not. So girls get bored with it, if they get too much. Girls getting only the occasional fuck, can be quite horny in my experience.
I always prefer to be a girl's early customer, if she will have multiple for the day. Fresh girls are definitely better.
Asian Rain
04-04-15, 16:13
Moving to Bangkok as a spry thirty four year old in 99, I was overwhelmed at the sheer volume of P4 P gals available in the many venues on and around Lower Sukhumvit Road.Completely sympathize and have been wanting to write a bit on this topic as I have seen it told similarly in several other threads. What a difference 15 years makes. My first trip to BKK and second P4 P experience (massage girl from Sabai Sabai at Ambassador Hotel) was in BKK in '99. I never got much into the Cowboy or Nana scenes and always preferred Soi Zero (eradicated) and the four beer bar areas between Nana and Cowboy, which have all been long bulldozed to make way for the underground, Chuvit Park and something else. Not to mention the lovelies that used to be available in the wee hours at Thermae and Nana Disco.
The reality is that the economic, social and technological models have all changed. Especially on Sukhimvit, the whole area has been under extreme gentrification. Does somebody who has just bought a condo for USD250 k in the development in what was the Ambassador parking lot want to look down at a bunch of beer bars or the lovely manicured Chuvit Park? Extend this thinking down the sois and that is the story of our beloved beer bars with their regular supply of Isaan freshies. The government didn't much care for the eyesore of these establishments and was happy to pull out the morality card and progress the gentrification.
But even more substantial has been the blitz of technology. 15 years ago girls were lucky enough to have a phone capable of SMS. It was a struggle for her to communicate outside of the bar. The bar as a location was key. The money (punters) went to the honey (working girls). Now any girl fresh from the rice paddies will make her first purchase a smartphone with data, easily accessible for a couple see-notes. And since Line, Facebook, WeChat, Twitter, etc. Are all free and don't need any education to use (think of all the apps that come with translation software embedded too! Working girls have little barriers to moving their business into cyberspace. Why spend your nights doing a lethargic version of the Bangkok two-step or deal with strict rules of the mamasan when you can get your contacts online and wait for business to come to you? And this is where a lot of those cute University girls are going as well. Remember the droves of lower class uni girls that used to go to Nana Disco and other venues on weekends? Again, why bother when you can just broadcast on WeChat and wait for somebody within 2 km to hit on you? This is why we see less and less talented lovelies in the bars and gogos. With mobile technology being where it is, if you are an elementary-educated girl with a good body and face, you just have a better option than hanging out in Nana parking lot or worse working nights in a beer bar or gogo. The bar owners are feeling this as well as high quality girls are harder and harder to keep given that customers can virtually poach them or the girls themselves will find these better options once they learn the enabling technology. And this is working from another angle. Pimps are getting much better with using this. Why open a bar when you can just keep a virtual stable of girls and pimp them as demand comes (there is a guy who seems to be working 3-4 younger girls on CraigsList BKK this way).
And mongers used to (or worse, dependent upon) the old bricks-and-mortar shopping methods are struggling with these changes. Having been to Saigon, Jakarta, Bangkok and Manila in the last 2 years, I can say that the old industrialized model where any Joe Monger could fly in unannounced and go pick a girl off the rack at a bargain price at a wide variety of venues is truly on its way out. Particularly in Asia, the economy doesn't need it, the locals don't want it and the girls don't prefer it. Yes, there are still some sputtering remains, most namely in BKK, MNL and Jakarta, but they are a shadow of their former selves. And it won't get any better as time goes on and it definitely won't ever go back to the way it was. Just my observation over the same period. Enjoy it all, AsianRain.
But even more substantial has been the blitz of technology. 15 years ago girls were lucky enough to have a phone capable of SMS. It was a struggle for her to communicate outside of the bar. The bar as a location was key. The money (punters) went to the honey (working girls). Now any girl fresh from the rice paddies will make her first purchase a smartphone with data, easily accessible for a couple see-notes. And since Line, Facebook, WeChat, Twitter, etc. Are all free and don't need any education to use (think of all the apps that come with translation software embedded too! Working girls have little barriers to moving their business into cyberspace. Why spend your nights doing a lethargic version of the Bangkok two-step or deal with strict rules of the mamasan when you can get your contacts online and wait for business to come to you? And this is where a lot of those cute University girls are going as well. Remember the droves of lower class uni girls that used to go to Nana Disco and other venues on weekends? Again, why bother when you can just broadcast on WeChat and wait for somebody within 2 km to hit on you? This is why we see less and less talented lovelies in the bars and gogos. With mobile technology being where it is, if you are an elementary-educated girl with a good body and face, you just have a better option than hanging out in Nana parking lot or worse working nights in a beer bar or gogo. The bar owners are feeling this as well as high quality girls are harder and harder to keep given that customers can virtually poach them or the girls themselves will find these better options once they learn the enabling technology. And this is working from another angle. Pimps are getting much better with using this. Why open a bar when you can just keep a virtual stable of girls and pimp them as demand comes (there is a guy who seems to be working 3-4 younger girls on CraigsList BKK this way).And the prices these technology savvy ladies are asking seems to be more in line with the on-line escort agencies rather than the Beergarden / NPL pricing levels.
SL.
Completely sympathize and have been wanting to write a bit on this topic as I have seen it told similarly in several other threads. What a difference 15 years makes. My first trip to BKK and second P4 P experience (massage girl from Sabai Sabai at Ambassador Hotel) was in BKK in '99. I never got much into the Cowboy or Nana scenes and always preferred Soi Zero (eradicated) and the four beer bar areas between Nana and Cowboy, which have all been long bulldozed to make way for the underground, Chuvit Park and something else. Not to mention the lovelies that used to be available in the wee hours at Thermae and Nana Disco.
The reality is that the economic, social and technological models have all changed. Especially on Sukhimvit, the whole area has been under extreme gentrification. Does somebody who has just bought a condo for USD250 k in the development in what was the Ambassador parking lot want to look down at a bunch of beer bars or the lovely manicured Chuvit Park? Extend this thinking down the sois and that is the story of our beloved beer bars with their regular supply of Isaan freshies. The government didn't much care for the eyesore of these establishments and was happy to pull out the morality card and progress the gentrification.
But even more substantial has been the blitz of technology. 15 years ago girls were lucky enough to have a phone capable of SMS. It was a struggle for her to communicate outside of the bar. The bar as a location was key. The money (punters) went to the honey (working girls). Now any girl fresh from the rice paddies will make her first purchase a smartphone with data, easily accessible for a couple see-notes. And since Line, Facebook, WeChat, Twitter, etc. Are all free and don't need any education to use (think of all the apps that come with translation software embedded too! Working girls have little barriers to moving their business into cyberspace. Why spend your nights doing a lethargic version of the Bangkok two-step or deal with strict rules of the mamasan when you can get your contacts online and wait for business to come to you? And this is where a lot of those cute University girls are going as well. Remember the droves of lower class uni girls that used to go to Nana Disco and other venues on weekends? Again, why bother when you can just broadcast on WeChat and wait for somebody within 2 km to hit on you? This is why we see less and less talented lovelies in the bars and gogos. With mobile technology being where it is, if you are an elementary-educated girl with a good body and face, you just have a better option than hanging out in Nana parking lot or worse working nights in a beer bar or gogo. The bar owners are feeling this as well as high quality girls are harder and harder to keep given that customers can virtually poach them or the girls themselves will find these better options once they learn the enabling technology. And this is working from another angle. Pimps are getting much better with using this. Why open a bar when you can just keep a virtual stable of girls and pimp them as demand comes (there is a guy who seems to be working 3-4 younger girls on CraigsList BKK this way).
And mongers used to (or worse, dependent upon) the old bricks-and-mortar shopping methods are struggling with these changes. Having been to Saigon, Jakarta, Bangkok and Manila in the last 2 years, I can say that the old industrialized model where any Joe Monger could fly in unannounced and go pick a girl off the rack at a bargain price at a wide variety of venues is truly on its way out. Particularly in Asia, the economy doesn't need it, the locals don't want it and the girls don't prefer it. Yes, there are still some sputtering remains, most namely in BKK, MNL and Jakarta, but they are a shadow of their former selves. And it won't get any better as time goes on and it definitely won't ever go back to the way it was. Just my observation over the same period. Enjoy it all, AsianRain.AR, Very well stated and I could not agree more. Your point about technology is spot on. Even some of the oily gals are working WeChat while they are sitting in the parlor. It's the way the business is done now. And in some ways so much more impersonal. You are right; those days are not coming back and I for one sure miss them.
Danton1789
04-04-15, 21:43
Hello guys,
Benn at Nataree, two times in January and each time with the same girl, Jean. She's quite easy to spot: white-skinned, big boobs and red hair. At this time she wore a charming green dress.
I may had that fishbowl girls were mainly below average, but still better-looking than the sideline girls? Man, given that rooms surely need some refreshing, I would greatly recommend other locations in the same price range, even from the same owner like Alaina.
What to say? Well I was hooked by the first encounter. Don't know why really because she didn't kiss, no anal, no DATY, no 69. Hmm HM, I see some of you smiling already; o) But she spoke very good English, we had quite a nice chat and I sympathized with her.
So a couple of days and a dozen of girls later, I minded to see her again, spotted her immediately and to the chat again because she didn't wen any further. OK I had my doses of all-you-can-eat sex this week so I really enjoyed this moment and we exchanged email addresses.
Sadly the girl started asking for money, invoking difficulties in life ranging from her father cancer to car reimbursement, not talking about the chores of getting an iPhone 6 plus.
In brief the girl wasn't hot at bed, but finally lost the sole interest I had which was our nice chat.
So guys, avoid this girl and save 2000 bath.
AR, Very well stated and I could not agree more. Your point about technology is spot on. Even some of the oily gals are working WeChat while they are sitting in the parlor. It's the way the business is done now. And in some ways so much more impersonal. You are right; those days are not coming back and I for one sure miss them.Have to wonder though how many bookings using facebook, wechate, Line etc end up in the dumpster? Years back I used to call escort agency's and more than half the time the girl didn't look anything like her photo's. You no longer need to be a computer wiz to master photoshop.
Crazy4Thai
04-05-15, 02:11
Sounds like are rotating the go-go girls. Tonight they do the service jobs tomorrow they get to hustle. Same hurry up attitude to get back to the floor for the next John.
Someone will get smart and change the atmosphere. Get away from the stage and pole and into something like a mellow Jazz club. Stop the dam loud music and the boring pole dance. Kind of a hostess club setting. Girls in Bikinis as waitress that can sit down a squeeze your second head. There is nothing of interest in Nana that is worth my time.
RL.I can see why you might think "rotation" but it does not work that way. The service staff can be bar fined if they want to go but the wgs are not going to "step down" to service level. And just to clarify, I've never actually done this in a gogo. Only beer bars and a couple of hotel receptionists. But I know the service staff is often available in the gogos.
Have to wonder though how many bookings using facebook, wechate, Line etc end up in the dumpster? Years back I used to call escort agency's and more than half the time the girl didn't look anything like her photo's. You no longer need to be a computer wiz to master photoshop.I know a lot of residents here who are using these apps almost exclusively. Yes, there is a lot of crap to wade through but this is where the gals are now. AR summed it up. Why should a gal sit in the BG Soi 7, Thermae, or any other place if she can sit at home or at a coffee shop and ply her trade? It is becoming the bottom of the barrel who are pounding the pavement so to speak.
I know a lot of residents here who are using these apps almost exclusively. Yes, there is a lot of crap to wade through but this is where the gals are now. AR summed it up. Why should a gal sit in the BG Soi 7, Thermae, or any other place if she can sit at home or at a coffee shop and ply her trade? It is becoming the bottom of the barrel who are pounding the pavement so to speak.WeChat. The best, but lots of ladyboys on there, generally though they say they are in their status. (By the way the girls get a bit upset if you ask them if they are a ladyboy all the time, so don't ask). Great to use thanks to discovery of people near you function. All countries over Asia WeChat is the main one for finding pro's and part timers looking for some extra cash in exchange for fun. Downside lots of pimps use it in certain countries, always make sure the profile has lots of photos on it, of the same girl and at different dates.
Tinder. Good, used by Thai and Farang girls / ladies, generally more English speaking. Again discovery function to find people near you and uses just a photo of you from facebook. So totally discrete, no names. Quite a few horny farang women in Bangkok looking for dinner and dance in exchange for letting you get inside their panties. And they say they are not doing it for money. Hahahahahaha. Yes, of course free dinner and drinks is not like getting something for sex.
Line. Good for general chatting once you have made the initial connection and got their Line ID or phone to message with them.
I generally find on WeChat or Tinder and then move over to chat via Line.
As is the same for the girls, same for men. Why bother walking around the hot streets or wasting time and money sat in bars and disco's. Sometimes its easier to simply stay at home and search via WeChat. Or pop down for a foot massage at Sukhumvit and hunt on WeChat while relaxing getting your feet massaged in a nice cool salon.
I know a lot of residents here who are using these apps almost exclusively. Yes, there is a lot of crap to wade through but this is where the gals are now. AR summed it up. Why should a gal sit in the BG Soi 7, Thermae, or any other place if she can sit at home or at a coffee shop and ply her trade? It is becoming the bottom of the barrel who are pounding the pavement so to speak.
Which brings me to my quandary. Back in the day the gals were not so "skilled' but the majority wanted to have fun and at least acted like they wanted to be there. Now the lookers get by on just being lookers. With the days of fun GFEs kind of a thing of the past I am faced with two options. Younger better looking gals who for the most part are not very skilled, not looking for fun, and wanting to grab that money and get out as fast as possible (amazing to pay 3 times what you used to for far less service), or much much older gals with very polished skill sets who just aren't that attractive. I am finding that even the younger gals in the PSE shops don't really have the repertoire to make a 90 minute session interesting. The approaching or over 40 set is quite different. Many have mastered the art of stimulation and even during a long protracted BBBJ they are still not out of tricks. They are in tune to a man's zones and know how to coax, how to tease, and how to give pleasure. Now truth be told in many ways I don't find either of these options to be optimal. Old well, is old. And unskilled is well, boring after 5 minutes. When I have either experience I leave kind of just thinking "meh. " So I really don't take that many gals these days. My three to four a week has dwindled to 3 a month and perhaps at some point it will be even less as the rotation of oily gals that I like is dwindling as they age. Old and skilled or young pretty and fairly useless. Not really great choices in my mind. Would love to see a place with amazingly well trained gals between the ages of 25-32.
So why don't you use these apps Goat? No offence but: you live in BKK, you speak Thai, you know the culture, you are literally surrounded by millions of girls, and yet you screw only 3 girls a month?
Even 'well trained gals between the ages of 25-32' shouldn't be too hard to find if you make clear in your profile what you're looking for.
The good old days will never come back. The times have changed and whether you like it or not it's time to explore new WoW's.
So why don't you use these apps Goat? No offence but: you live in BKK, you speak Thai, you know the culture, you are literally surrounded by millions of girls, and yet you screw only 3 girls a month?
Even 'well trained gals between the ages of 25-32' shouldn't be too hard to find if you make clear in your profile what you're looking for.
The good old days will never come back. The times have changed and whether you like it or not it's time to explore new WoW's.Excellent question. Two reasons; First and foremost I have a gal that I have lived with for the better part of a decade; so I am damn discreet. Having apps on my phone and having other gals have any information about me is a line that I am not willing to cross. Therefore I want to go to a place, pick out a gal, have a great time, and get out. Clean and simple. Secondly, I just don't like playing that type of game. "Wh*remancing" these girls, making small talk, feigning interest, acting like I am a potential sugar daddy in order to get better performance. I find very little in common with most Thai gals, especially those that are on the game in any way shape or form. Their expectations and views on their own "worth" have changed considerably in the last 5 years. All of that has about as much appeal to me as having a fire ant's nest placed on my 'nads.
If I was "single" so to speak I might have a bit more interest in #2, but only a bit.
You are correct; the good old days aren't coming back and things will continue to change.
I agree with previous post. Social media is not a convenient tool if you live with wife, girlfriend, or kids. It's too hard to leave no trail on all your devices and simply do not have enough privacy to conduct this.
I went to BKK for a transit and decided to check out the local Suthisan gogo one more time. This is still an unfamiliar territory for me. I went to a shop called For you. It was early about 9 PM and there were only about 4 customers and about 7-8 girls with 2 dancing on stage. About 10 PM, more people came in and more girls came to work as well. The shop boy brought me a few girls but non of them was cute. Later I saw one dancing with a nice figure so I tipped the boy to bring her to me after her dance. The Shop was dark so you could not see the face very clearly, She looks alright with slim and large breasts.
She did not order drinks just drank from my beer, but the waiter came around and pestered me to order food or fruit plates, I ordered some French fries and fruit plate. Another girl came and asked her something and I heard she said the word koy which means I in Laos. So I asked her and she said she came from Laos but she is going back to school in 2 days. She is very friendly and asked me to take her ST, which is 2000 bahts include room, include bar fine. She doesn't do LT like most Suthisan girls. This week day was a slow night, her friends were mostly idle and one came by and asked me to let her sit, which is 200 bahts for sitting, and another her friend who had a huge tits but a bit chubby came and did a lap dance for me for 100 baht and grabbed my hands put on her big boobs.
It was fun night, I was exhausted by the time we left for the ST room opposite the road. A very short BJ but sex was alright, she allowed me to bareback if I want but decided not to.
The cost for the night, drinks, french fries, fruits, ice, sitting fees, 870 plus ST 2000, tip waiter, lap dance, 200. I never feel the Suthisan gogo is any cheaper than the foreign gogos. There are so many things you pay and they add up quickly.
Yes they probably don't get that many tips but if they do they would probably expect a bigger tip. I would not tip that low personally but everyone has different standards. I would tip a drinks waitress only 100 baht for a fair amount of time but then I got no blow job.Syzygies, I would have no problem giving her 200 bt or more. It's peanuts compared to what I pay in other countries for inferior service. However, I always seem to get beaten up by some members on the board if I tip too much.
I agree with previous post. Social media is not a convenient tool if you live with wife, girlfriend, or kids. It's too hard to leave no trail on all your devices and simply do not have enough privacy to conduct this.
I went to BKK for a transit and decided to check out the local Suthisan gogo one more time. This is still an unfamiliar territory for me. I went to a shop called For you. It was early about 9 PM and there were only about 4 customers and about 7-8 girls with 2 dancing on stage. About 10 PM, more people came in and more girls came to work as well. The shop boy brought me a few girls but non of them was cute. Later I saw one dancing with a nice figure so I tipped the boy to bring her to me after her dance. The Shop was dark so you could not see the face very clearly, She looks alright with slim and large breasts.
She did not order drinks just drank from my beer, but the waiter came around and pestered me to order food or fruit plates, I ordered some French fries and fruit plate. Another girl came and asked her something and I heard she said the word koy which means I in Laos. So I asked her and she said she came from Laos but she is going back to school in 2 days. She is very friendly and asked me to take her ST, which is 2000 bahts include room, include bar fine. She doesn't do LT like most Suthisan girls. This week day was a slow night, her friends were mostly idle and one came by and asked me to let her sit, which is 200 bahts for sitting, and another her friend who had a huge tits but a bit chubby came and did a lap dance for me for 100 baht and grabbed my hands put on her big boobs.
It was fun night, I was exhausted by the time we left for the ST room opposite the road. A very short BJ but sex was alright, she allowed me to bareback if I want but decided not to.
The cost for the night, drinks, french fries, fruits, ice, sitting fees, 870 plus ST 2000, tip waiter, lap dance, 200. I never feel the Suthisan gogo is any cheaper than the foreign gogos. There are so many things you pay and they add up quickly.I agree totally, which is why I gave up on those places ages ago. Some of the girls are quite nice but nothing special and the pressure to buy an overpriced plate of fruit and french fries is really annoying. The prices seem reasonable but after you've taken into account all the extras it probably works out the same or more than the farang areas. You're expected to tip the waiting staff 200 baht+ (they sulk if you tip 100) and that applies to Thais and foreigners.
The bar with the nicest girls is called Rainbow (nothing to do with the Nana ones) and is located nearer to Phahonyothin Road. All the waiters are boys who seemed a bit scared of me (even though I speak Thai) but as most of the girls are hiding you really need to talk to those boys to get what you want so I gave up. All in all the area is just too much hassle to waste time with.
On the issue of chat apps, how are you using these to find girls? You need to exchange IDs or numbers first so if you wanted to make contact a second time they would be useful but I can't see how you're using them to find a new girl.
Syzygies, I would have no problem giving her 200 bt or more. It's peanuts compared to what I pay in other countries for inferior service. However, I always seem to get beaten up by some members on the board if I tip too much.Because some of the guys on the forum still dream about days that don't exist anymore. They are also the ones that complain that a lot of WG's prefer Asian customers to Farangs. Why, because for an Asian it is a matter of face not to be seen as a miser whereas Farangs have the reputation of haggling about 10 Baht with a Tuk Tuk driver.
I am not condoning silly prices and totally dislike the new Coyote trend but when I receive good service, be it in an Oily or from my hairdresser, I tip welll, because good service should be rewarded and the gesture is always appreciated.
When Paul Kausch and I do one of our overnight parties with a bunch of girls we don't count every Baht we spend. The objective is for all of us to have a good time and that includes enough food and booze and a good tip in the morning because we had a great time.
Because some of the guys on the forum still dream about days that don't exist anymore. They are also the ones that complain that a lot of WG's prefer Asian customers to Farangs. Why, because for an Asian it is a matter of face not to be seen as a miser whereas Farangs have the reputation of haggling about 10 Baht with a Tuk Tuk driver.
I am not condoning silly prices and totally dislike the new Coyote trend but when I receive good service, be it in an Oily or from my hairdresser, I tip welll, because good service should be rewarded and the gesture is always appreciated.
When Paul Kausch and I do one of our overnight parties with a bunch of girls we don't count every Baht we spend. The objective is for all of us to have a good time and that includes enough food and booze and a good tip in the morning because we had a great time.That's a wild generalisation about 'Asians'. Chinese and Indians are known as non-tippers. If you want to tip, tip but don't act all self-righteous about it.
TwoTimeTed
04-06-15, 06:52
Looks like Stickman is hanging up the cleats within a week or two.
I admit, I never knew his website, column, and / or his commentary ever existed till last year (2014). But a good realm of information.
I guess he's had enough of Bangkok and is heading back home to Farangland (Australia I presume). I have read back a year and skipped around his columns from year to year reading up on the changes.
My or my.
Good Luck to Stickman and a mighty bow for the many years you put in informing the many mongers (punters) on the ins and outs of Thailand.
That's a wild generalisation about 'Asians'. Chinese and Indians are known as non-tippers. If you want to tip, tip but don't act all self-righteous about it.You are right, I should have quantified that and specified that to mainly Japanese and Koreans. But then you have to specify "Chinese" as well. Hong Kong Chinese generally tip well.
I am not being self righteous, just expressing my personal view that has been shaped over the past 30 years in Asia.
You are right, I should have quantified that and specified that to mainly Japanese and Koreans. But then you have to specify "Chinese" as well. Hong Kong Chinese generally tip well.
I am not being self righteous, just expressing my personal view that has been shaped over the past 30 years in Asia.I agree. Your post wasn't wild or self righteous. Tipping is your right. More wild and self righteous are the cheap charlies posts. Yes time has past by and the "good ole days" are gone. Like I said before, if you didn't help me make my money then don't tell me how to spend it!
You are right, I should have quantified that and specified that to mainly Japanese and Koreans. But then you have to specify "Chinese" as well. Hong Kong Chinese generally tip well.
I am not being self righteous, just expressing my personal view that has been shaped over the past 30 years in Asia.Well, you're suggesting anyone who doesn't tip as generously as you is a miser. That seems self-righteous to me. If you have experience of Asia you'll know that tipping is not a part of Japanese culture at all. And most Thais will haggle with a tuk tuk driver. It's the sensible thing to do if you don't want to get ripped off. Personally I prefer fixed prices because I think looking at the bigger picture it's in the interests of both the customer and the service provider. The only ones who really benefit from tipping are the employers, who can pay their staff lower wages knowing that the tips will make up for it.
I am Chinese-American, so either I am neither Asian or Western, or I am both. I generally try to follow the board reports regarding prices and tips. So your reports including prices and tips are very helpful. However, when I get a dud or a gem, the rules change. I don't tip a penny if I get a starfish, runner or one who refuses to give BJ, etc. When I get a gem, sometimes the sky is the limit.
I met a dancer at Suzie Wong on this trip and ended seeing her for three days and nights. It's going to be a long report and I am quite busy right now, so the report may take a couple days to complete. I ended giving her 5,000 bts each day plus we went out to nice places for lunch and dinner. She did not ask for it. There was no talk of money after the first night. I was so contented with her company that I gave her what I felt was right. Anyway, it will all be in my report. Stay tuned.
On the issue of chat apps, how are you using these to find girls? You need to exchange IDs or numbers first so if you wanted to make contact a second time they would be useful but I can't see how you're using them to find a new girl.Some of these chat apps like for example WeChat and Tango have a feature that scans for people nearby who are using the same app. Usually the range is about 2 or 3 kilometers in densily populated areas.
You can filter for women only and then send the ones you like a message. If they accept your invitation you can have a chat.
Or you just wait for women who invite you, which gives better results in my experience so far.
I agree. Your post wasn't wild or self righteous. Tipping is your right. More wild and self righteous are the cheap charlies posts. Yes time has past by and the "good ole days" are gone. Like I said before, if you didn't help me make my money then don't tell me how to spend it!'Ere we go again with the subject of tipping where everyone has a view, no one changes their view and everyone continues to think that their view is right.
And this subject will wither and die shortly only to come back again in six months.
Guys. Recognise that there are more importnat things about mongering than tipping.
Next subject up. How to get a cheap (er) ride from the Airport by guys who have spent $1,000 on a flight and look to save $2-3 on the taxi fare into Bangkok. Use the taxi service, get in the cab, pay.
The tolls and demand that the meter be put on. Not rocket science.
Some of these chat apps like for example WeChat and Tango have a feature that scans for people nearby who are using the same app. Usually the range is about 2 or 3 kilometers in densily populated areas.
You can filter for women only and then send the ones you like a message. If they accept your invitation you can have a chat.
Or you just wait for women who invite you, which gives better results in my experience so far.Interesting but 99% of the women wouldn't be sex workers I imagine so maybe a good way to make friends or set up a date but if you're looking for an immediate shag it sounds like way too much hassle, even worse than dating sites. And it seems unlikely that top quality girls would be sending invitations to random farangs. I have no experience using these apps for anything other than chatting with friends and family so correct me if I'm wrong but I think they're not even close to replacing bars and massage parlours as a place to P4 P.
Interesting but 99% of the women wouldn't be sex workers I imagine so maybe a good way to make friends or set up a date but if you're looking for an immediate shag it sounds like way too much hassle, even worse than dating sites. And it seems unlikely that top quality girls would be sending invitations to random farangs. I have no experience using these apps for anything other than chatting with friends and family so correct me if I'm wrong but I think they're not even close to replacing bars and massage parlours as a place to P4 P.You are complaining about self righteousness but you seem to be very opinionated about something you haven't by your own admission tried yourself.
Attached are a few pictures from girls that are P4 P and contacted me via WeChat Discover mode.
You are complaining about self righteousness but you seem to be very opinionated about something you haven't by your own admission tried yourself.
Attached are a few pictures from girls that are P4 P and contacted me via WeChat Discover mode.I'm open-minded about it but all those 'girls' look like trannies to me.
Wechat is great way to talk to average girls in Thailand of all types. Most WLs are also on wechat or line. But you are right, it's a sellers market (I. E. Many more guys on line than girls) so buyer beware!
I'm open-minded about it but all those 'girls' look like trannies to me.
I'm open-minded about it but all those 'girls' look like trannies to me.Guess I still cannot distinguish a real girl from a Katoy.
I bow to your expertise and leave it at that.
Guess I still cannot distinguish a real girl from a Katoy.
I bow to your expertise and leave it at that.They look like real girls to me, I do know the signs.
I was impressed by Crazy House girl line up last Thursday. Sunday was not impressed. The penny has now dropped. Thursday was 2nd of April. Girls must have got paid on this day and virtually everyone showed up except those that lost the entire salary in fines. So great set of girls and not many customers.
Sunday, the customers were more-so, and the girls much less so. I did not stay too long with most of the best girls missing. I realised that I don't really go much for several incredibly short girls. One was almost a dwarf. Like 4 foot 6 inches I guess. Completely nude, she still wasn't that sexy for my taste. Girls I bought drinks for recently have been of the taller group. I suppose being tallish myself, I have got bored by really short girls. I best leave them for the short men. Normally Crazy House has a good set of medium to taller girls.
I'm open-minded about it but all those 'girls' look like trannies to me.Some nose and prossibly some tit jobs, but so what? They don't look like trannies in reality. I could say that most the girls in Baccara have had so many Ops they look like trannies to me too, but that would just mean I don't go for that type of look.
Next subject up. How to get a cheap (er) ride from the Airport by guys who have spent $1,000 on a flight and look to save $2-3 on the taxi fare into Bangkok. Use the taxi service, get in the cab, pay.
The tolls and demand that the meter be put on. Not rocket science.Why bring up this non-mongering topic that is best in the General Thread? Tell guys what they should do, just like in the tipping debates?
Just recognise there are guys who watch every penny, cent or Satang, and others (like me) are not interested in the money debates.
That's a wild generalisation about 'Asians'. Chinese and Indians are known as non-tippers. If you want to tip, tip but don't act all self-righteous about it.He doesn't act self-righteous about it. He just says what he does. He doesn't try to tell others what they must do, like some writers do. I am probably in the same camp as Mick, where I am not so tight with the money. I often don't know how much I spent. I know what girls have to do to make money. They are always happy to see me and know I won't be a complete waste of their time. LOL.
I have met Mick once.
Some nose and prossibly some tit jobs, but so what? They don't look like trannies in reality. I could say that most the girls in Baccara have had so many Ops they look like trannies to me too, but that would just mean I don't go for that type of look.You can fool some of the people some of the time ...
Syzygies, I would have no problem giving her 200 bt or more. It's peanuts compared to what I pay in other countries for inferior service. However, I always seem to get beaten up by some members on the board if I tip too much.I was only trying to imagine why your tip was surprising. If you tip well, you don't have to report it here. Personally I either tip well or not at all, depending on my feeling about the effort put in by who is giving me service. An extraordinarily small tip could potentially look either stingy or silly, in my opinion. I suppose some guys call it taxi money.
I remember once when a guy asked a girl in a sports bar to get up on a table (not the normal thing) and do a special dance for him. He tipped her 20 Baht. I was astonished and so was she, I think. Some girls (not this one) would have just thrown the money back at him. I gave her 100 Baht even though request was nothing to do with me. I appreciated her effort to put on some entertainment.
Very low tipping feels like throwing coins to beggars, to me. So better not to tip, or to tip a better a amount that seems more appreciative of the effort. Just my opinion.
He doesn't act self-righteous about it. He just says what he does. He doesn't try to tell others what they must do, like some writers do. I am probably in the same camp as Mick, where I am not so tight with the money. I often don't know how much I spent. I know what girls have to do to make money. They are always happy to see me and know I won't be a complete waste of their time. LOL.
I have met Mick once.You're both being self-righteous, using language like 'misers' and 'tight' to describe other people. What's the point in that? Maybe some guy doesn't tip but gives half his salary to charity. Throwing money at every sex worker who sucks your dick well enough is not something to boast about.
Why bring up this non-mongering topic that is best in the General Thread? Tell guys what they should do, just like in the tipping debates?
Just recognise there are guys who watch every penny, cent or Satang, and others (like me) are not interested in the money debates.
Because others bought it up and I was trying to point out the futility of reaching agreement on tipping. And Bangkok seems as good a thread as any for discuusing tipping as most punters go through.
Bangkok.
Anyone who watches the sitangs, cents and pennies might better save up a little more before coming to LOS.
Somewhere15
04-06-15, 15:49
Some of these chat apps like for example WeChat and Tango have a feature that scans for people nearby who are using the same app. Usually the range is about 2 or 3 kilometers in densily populated areas.
You can filter for women only and then send the ones you like a message. If they accept your invitation you can have a chat.
Or you just wait for women who invite you, which gives better results in my experience so far.Thanks for your post.
End of this week I am back to Bangkok and I have already lined up some (online) friend mainly from ThaiFruendly.
Some of them I have met am shagged before but I also chatting with a handfull of girls Who a there over SongKran and don't go at home.
My main approach is to invite them for dinner and movie, if chemistry is good I invite them to my apartment at Sukhumvite Soi 19 which is close to Terminal 21 / BTS Asok / MRT Sukhumvite.
From November till January I used this approach in combination with my ThaiFriendly account. I did not count how many girls shared my bedroom but luckly I did not pay to any of them.
I only had to kick some girls out (mostly because I wanted to go out alone afterwards / around midnight or I wanted to sleep alone, and in that cases I give them 500 THB for taxi money, but this was below one handful of girls).
As I am in Bangkok for around 2 months I will try the WeChat app also (heard some nice stories already about this).
Thanks for help.
Interesting but 99% of the women wouldn't be sex workers I imagine so maybe a good way to make friends or set up a date but if you're looking for an immediate shag it sounds like way too much hassle, even worse than dating sites. And it seems unlikely that top quality girls would be sending invitations to random farangs. I have no experience using these apps for anything other than chatting with friends and family so correct me if I'm wrong but I think they're not even close to replacing bars and massage parlours as a place to P4 P.You couldn't be more wrong! Apparently you haven't read the reports on this forum from mongers who are using these chat apps. I suggest you do that first before drawing all kinds of (incorrect) conclusions.
BkkMick for example has posted some reports on the subject in this thread and I have posted some reports in the Angeles thread (Philippines).
Thanks for help.You're welcome!
Because others bought it up and I was trying to point out the futility of reaching agreement on tipping. And Bangkok seems as good a thread as any for discuusing tipping as most punters go through.
Bangkok.
Anyone who watches the sitangs, cents and pennies might better save up a little more before coming to LOS.I was commenting on "Taxis from Airport" since that was the quoted bit.
You're both being self-righteous, using language like 'misers' and 'tight' to describe other people. What's the point in that? Maybe some guy doesn't tip but gives half his salary to charity. Throwing money at every sex worker who sucks your dick well enough is not something to boast about.I am not the one looking down on sex workers. Your language suggests you hold them in contempt.
I am not the one looking down on sex workers. Your language suggests you hold them in contempt.Not at all. You seem to like making judgements about other posters with no evidence at all to back it up.
I have been enjoying plenty of naked and natural breasts in the plaza at Chili, below Erotica, the last few nights. OK, a few silicones as well and maybe a post op LB or two. Can't tell. Also the odd pussy flash and they play good music as well.
I hope this helps those, like myself who find the plaza a bit boring at times.
Johnie.
Crazy House line up was quite good last night Tuesday, if you go for slim to skinny girls, with well above average faces. This shows my previous theory about Thursday being payday was probably wrong. It seems that Sunday is just a generally crap line up at CH with many girls taking that day off. Don't know the reason.
CH still has the appeal that there is relatively low silicone, few nose jobs, and even not many fatties. There was a spate of nose jobs a few months ago, but some of those girls disappeared. Maybe siliconised and nose job girls can move to work in Baccara, Sharks, or Rainbow 4. LOL.
Thursday line up was still better than Tuesday, but that is not too surprising. I have a regular girl or two now that are enthusiastic on the bed and make for a good time. However percentage of good fucks is likely to be low. Depends on compatibility of body and character. My best girl is one I originally thought to be good looking but least likely to be fun. I was wrong. LOL Assessing girl's character from a distant observation is problematic. Need to spend time with them to see better. I originally thought she was arrogant. Maybe she is but acts very shy and demure with me. Ha Ha. Comes out of the shell during sex though which is good, but no pornstar.
I don't know of any bar with as many hot natural slim bodies and relatively pretty faces. For me RB4 as an example has many girls with good bodies, but mostly plain faces or nose jobs to spoil them. I prefer the nudity at CH anyway. Only a few girls with big tits. Its mostly A cups.
One girl highly tattooed and wearing a bra but no panties, had an unusual shaped face. Reminded me of a LB, even though she wasn't. Strange jaw. Yet guys called her over for a drink very quickly. No accounting for different taste. Definitely not pretty for my taste and very small tits covered (who knows what they would look like).
Rumours that this club is more wild due to Police investment in the business. e.g. Like how the Thermae could always stay open extra late.
Carpaccio18
04-08-15, 22:05
Crazy House line up was quite good last night Tuesday, if you go for slim to skinny girls, with well above average faces. Will be spending a weekend getaway with a friend in a couple of weeks, will most definitely be making my way to CH. Last couple of visits I have been at Shark, Suzie Wong and Tiiac, but the line up in those places just hasn't been as good as I would have liked it to be. Maybe I have just been unlucky on the days, who knows. Sure the party can be every bit as wild and fun if you throw a few drinks around, but I just haven't been wow'd by any of the girls of late.
I do like the natural slim body and a pretty face same as you, so thanks for the heads up. Will be sure to post back.
Not at all. You seem to like making judgements about other posters with no evidence at all to back it up.Your choice of username might lead some to judgement.
SL.
One girl highly tattooed and wearing a bra but no panties, had an unusual shaped face. Reminded me of a LB, even though she wasn't. Strange jaw. Yet guys called her over for a drink very quickly. No accounting for different taste. Definitely not pretty for my taste and very small tits covered (who knows what they would look like).
I think I know which girl you are talking about. Did she have tanned skin?
Will be spending a weekend getaway with a friend in a couple of weeks, will most definitely be making my way to CH. Last couple of visits I have been at Shark, Suzie Wong and Tiiac, but the line up in those places just hasn't been as good as I would have liked it to be. Maybe I have just been unlucky on the days, who knows. Sure the party can be every bit as wild and fun if you throw a few drinks around, but I just haven't been wow'd by any of the girls of late.
I do like the natural slim body and a pretty face same as you, so thanks for the heads up. Will be sure to post back.You are not unluckie! The 3 bars you mentioned don't have pretty faces. Hahaha! I've been to SW about 4 times this year-the best face you get is barely acceptable in the avg category.
Thanks for your post.
My main approach is to invite them for dinner and movie, if chemistry is good I invite them to my apartment at Sukhumvite Soi 19 which is close to Terminal 21 / BTS Asok / MRT Sukhumvite.
From November till January I used this approach in combination with my ThaiFriendly account. I did not count how many girls shared my bedroom but luckly I did not pay to any of them.
I only had to kick some girls out (mostly because I wanted to go out alone afterwards / around midnight or I wanted to sleep alone, and in that cases I give them 500 THB for taxi money, but this was below one handful of girls).
Thanks for help.And how much are you spending on her entertainment to get her for free in your bed?
500 tub for taxi money nearly gets them halfway to Pattaya.
I believe you use the definition taxi money to still believe they're free.
I have been in Bangkok since January 18 with a ten day visit to Cambodia included within this time frame. It was my first visit here and tried as many different type options as I could. These include a SW in front of Nana Plaza (surprisingly pretty good), two sessions at the Den on Soi 12 (also, very good), two massage places highly recommended on the board in Snow White and Addict (just average), and numerous encounters at Bangkok Beat club on Soi 7/1 (most very good to excellent). I wrote FR on all these experiences so will not repeat them here, suffice to say that for the most part I was pleased with my first time visit to Bangkok.
The one thing I did not do was barfine a girl from the go-go's. I just fundamentally object to the high cost of the bar fine, the girls fees, the short time gambit, costs of drinks for myself and the LD. I could go on and on about this. However, on one occassion I invited a young nubile from either Billboard or Bubbles in NEP to come to my apartment after they closed at 2 am but ended up giving her the boot when it became apparent she was not prepared to provide even the basic level of services. No cost there though she gave me a friendly Hello, when I ran into her a few days later.
So this leads me to my final evaluation of the go-go's. Last Monday, albeit a holiday, I went to Sharks on Soi Cowboy with a Bangkok veteran of twenty plus years. It was slim picking in there and, in fact, there was only one girl I had an interest. A slim dark haired and deeply dark skinned nypmphette. She exchanged a smile with me but then some guy came in and she quickly went over to him. After sitting with him for a while, and it was obvious they knew each other, he left and she returned to the stage. No more glances towards me and pretty sure a rendezvous was set up wih her friend for later. The MamaSan also was barking at her and fairly certain she caught on to what transpired.
However, I am discussing this because of the laughable attitude of the other girls in there who were split between twelve dancers, (A and a B team). No real stunners or even average and one lady had to be pushing 50. None of these girls even so much glanced at me or my friend. The 50 year old seemed lost in her own little world and the others dreamily observed themselves in the mirror perhaps wondering why they were never bar fined. My friend and I left after one beer. One and done as they say.
Having read so many reports here about lackluster go go girls, I decided early on to eschew this option and this particular evening reconfirmed my decision. I don't see these go go's as they are currently constructed as a viable business model going forward.
Nevertheless, I had two final 'dates' at Bangkok Beat. The first night I took home a very attractive girl who owned a bikini shop near the airport. Being a bit dubious, I asked to see some photos of the shop which she readily produced. She was the first girl I met in there who appeared to have a regular job as the rest either worked in a professed 'spa' or were unemployed, unless you count hanging out as a FL at Bangkok Beat as a job. Thinking that this would be a good night, I ended up quite disappointed in her service level. In fact, after we finished she claimed it had been an undetermined amount of time since her last boom boom or at least that was her excuse for her woeful performance. However, I blew it by not asking all the right questions in the beginning.
These questions, at least for me, should be de regueur: do you kiss, allow DATY, and BJ. I only asked the first question and neglected to ask the others, which turned out to be NO to both but way to late to adjust course. Basically, by not asking these questions and making certain assumptions, certain girls will use this as an excuse when it becomes apparent these treats are not on their menu.
So I returned the next night and had a bit of a bad attitude. I did not want to finish my visit with another bad encounter, which began to color my judgement. In fact, the evening was flying by as I hemmed and hawed about who to select though there was a multitude of tasty options. Overthinking, some would say. Standing off in the corner by my lonesome and almost resigned to leaving solo, all of a sudden a little spinner appeared and before you could say 'Bingo', we had arranged our LT evening. I think she wanted 2500 bt initially, which I rejected, but eventually we compromised on 2000 bt and she agreed to stay until nine in the morning. I asked her the above 'menu' questions whereupon she stopped me and said 'I will do whatever you want but you can't have my ass. ' LOL. And she said this in quite good English.
It went quite well. She was very enthusiastic and fun and stayed until 9 am as agreed. In fact, it was so good, I told her that I would take her to Ko Samui with me but since I was leaving later that day, she could not rearrange her schedule in time. Now that I am in Ko Samui, it was probably just as well given my first few nights here. Well, that FR will be in a different thread.
Thomasb,
You are not in a position to really evaluate bars, bar girls, etc. Based on a visit to Sharks on a holiday with poor attendance.
You should just consider it a not very exciting experience.
Personally I like bars where girls do not hassle me until I decide I am interested in one and attract her attention.
The Sharks line up was probably shit on that day. Bar girls vary tremendously in performance. There are some good ones and there are lots of bad ones. Just like you had varied experiences with girls in general.
I think Sharks is full of plastic robot girls these days however its a few months since I last went in there. The girls were more interested in Japanese customers was my impression.
Not all bars are like that. If you don't the bar system, that is fine, and many don't. I put up with it, because I am seeing a range of better looking girls than on an oily MP, I like to see the whole body naked first, and I have lots of rime to evaluate girls to see if I really like them. Bangkok beat is a good option but of course a fairly limited set of girls and can't see them naked first. Plus have to make sure don't pick a ladyboy. LOL.
What budget you have is also a big factor. Time and quality of looks are more important to me than cost. Others have abundant time but less money to spend and many are more concerned about PSE than a pretty face.
I just spent two days in Singapore. Everything is very expensive. Guys should be thankful Bangkok is so much cheaper. LOL
You are not unluckie! The 3 bars you mentioned don't have pretty faces. Hahaha! I've been to SW about 4 times this year-the best face you get is barely acceptable in the avg category.That is complete twaddle. I aware of certain girls working in Tilac that I find quite pretty. Mint is just one but she is a bit irregular. SW has less but there a small number of pretty ones.
Top girl in SW I see from time to time when her very busy schedule permits. Some will say she is not pretty only due to skin colour bias.
So it is more about luck of attending bars at the right time. Line ups vary a lot.
I just spent two days in Singapore. Everything is very expensive. Guys should be thankful Bangkok is so much cheaper. LOLActually some great finds in Geylang if one is willing to put in the time. But general cost of living is off the charts. It was just named the most expensive city in the world. I actually prefer KL to Sing for many different reasons. KL is also a bit of a hidden gem when it comes to gals.
I think I know which girl you are talking about. Did she have tanned skin?I didn't closely note level of tan. Its not a factor that matters much to me. Lets just say a fully tatooed ass, flat chest and prominent jaw. There is probably only one like that.
The main point is that other guys like girls that are ugly for me. So taste varies a lot. Another straight bodied girl that spreads pussy very provocatively is ugly with swollen nose to my taste but seems quite popular. So one guy's pretty is another guy's ugly. For many guys size of tits is important where for me not important. I only avoid hard silicone jobs.
Well, I used my night at Sharks as an example of several other different visits to other go go's including Doll House and a whole range of other bars in NEP over a period of a few months. Generally speaking that was the overall impression I had, whatever night I went, which were girls who were distantly prancing about and going through the motion on stage. And yes, the only time they do perk up is when they see a group or solo Japanese guy enter. Those guys are probably more responsible for raising the prices then any other factors.
As far as prices in go go's, I find it too expensive, though I could afford it, but based on the performance levels I hear about on the board and from friends gives me the appearance that the girls are not worth what they charge. I suppose I should have tried a few just to develop a sample size so not, of course, speaking from direct experience.
Yes, a few times I have been disappointed with the girls bodies I picked up at BB so I understand where you are coming from on that point. However, even though I see the occassional LB in Bangkok Beat, they, at least to me, seem pretty obvious. I have never even felt that I had to ask a girl about her gender there who I was considering for a date. Also, they could use a bit more turnover there as you do see many of the same girls every night. I avoid those and try to laser beam on girls who I have never seen before.
I didn't closely note level of tan. Its not a factor that matters much to me. Lets just say a fully tatooed ass, flat chest and prominent jaw. There is probably only one like that.
The main point is that other guys like girls that are ugly for me. So taste varies a lot. Another straight bodied girl that spreads pussy very provocatively is ugly with swollen nose to my taste but seems quite popular. So one guy's pretty is another guy's ugly. For many guys size of tits is important where for me not important. I only avoid hard silicone jobs.Yes obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Not disagreeing with you about that. It just that your comment reminded of my adventures if Crazy House almost two weeks ago.
I think the girl you are talking about is #15, although from memory the tattoo only covers her back but not ass. She is super popular and it took me 3 nights to be able to bar fine. She charges 3000 Baht for ST and only does CBJ and I am sure no DATY. Oh and she wanted the money at the bar before we head to the hotel. All the possible red flags in the world and almost backed away couple of times but in the end I said fine lets go.
I even needed help from a big American who was sitting next to me at CH and it turned out he is a VIP at the club and staff was treating him like a GOGO royalty. After seeing his bill for drinks I understood why. He spent (cover your eyes cheap charlies) over 11000 Baht in 2 hours. He set me up with her. Cheers Michael.
It was worth the trouble thou. She makes the sexiest F. K face an I enjoyed the session. She is the type of girl you take once thou. Can't put up with all that BS more than once.
I think the girl you are talking about is #15, although from memory the tattoo only covers her back but not ass. She is super popular and it took me 3 nights to be able to bar fine. She charges 3000 Baht for ST and only does CBJ and I am sure no DATY. Oh and she wanted the money at the bar before we head to the hotel. All the possible red flags in the world and almost backed away couple of times but in the end I said fine lets go.With all due respect I am just amazed that dudes accept this kind of service and will even line up to pay dearly for it. Why are gals providing less and less? Because the punters let them get away with it and accept it. Are things really that bad in the West? CBJ, no DATY, pay before and 3 k? HUH? Jeez has service really degraded this much? For 3 k she should be gargling with your jizz and singing the Star Spangled Banner! If I wanted that kind of service I would have never moved to Thailand. Honestly when I moved here a gal that tried to pull that crap would have zero customers no matter how good looking she was. One or two bad reports and she would never get a BF. And guess what? She would change her tune.
All three should be a no-go; especially the pay before. She knows that lots of dudes would balk when they get to the room and she does not perform. I get to a ST room and no DFK, no DATY, no fingering, then I very nicely in Thai tell them that this is not working for me, get up, put my clothes on, leave a couple hundred baht and leave. Always smiling and polite, but firm. Might as well stay home and whittle the puppet. But again, dudes are lining up for this.
The inmates have truly taken over the asylum.
Yes obviously beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Not disagreeing with you about that. It just that your comment reminded of my adventures if Crazy House almost two weeks ago.
I think the girl you are talking about is #15, although from memory the tattoo only covers her back but not ass. She is super popular and it took me 3 nights to be able to bar fine. She charges 3000 Baht for ST and only does CBJ and I am sure no DATY. Oh and she wanted the money at the bar before we head to the hotel. All the possible red flags in the world and almost backed away couple of times but in the end I said fine lets go.
I even needed help from a big American who was sitting next to me at CH and it turned out he is a VIP at the club and staff was treating him like a GOGO royalty. After seeing his bill for drinks I understood why. He spent (cover your eyes cheap charlies) over 11000 Baht in 2 hours. He set me up with her. Cheers Michael.
It was worth the trouble thou. She makes the sexiest F. K face an I enjoyed the session. She is the type of girl you take once thou. Can't put up with all that BS more than once.No you have wrong girl. I speak about one with fully tatooed ass. You probably saw one a bit better.
I Never agreed to pay for any girl up front. They could runaway at slightest opportunity. Never took CBJ either. Some newbie girls have low experience and are very bad. As always if you find the right girl can be good. I found one who like good hard sex and not dick scared.
Actually some great finds in Geylang if one is willing to put in the time. But general cost of living is off the charts. It was just named the most expensive city in the world. I actually prefer KL to Sing for many different reasons. KL is also a bit of a hidden gem when it comes to gals.I am in wrong thread but just to make Bangkok bar punters thankful for small mercies.
Last night with my Thai girl, we decide to have a quick look on Orchard Tower. We can't go in Ipanema since since did not bring her passport.
Go in a couple of lower class bars. Some singers and Coyotes. Cheapest lady drink was $33 yikes! I did not ask the price for take a girl away. Most bargirls were clearly too fat for. My taste. Best looking girl looked Russian or similar. Normal gin and tonic was $15. No nudity.
My girl played pool with best girl players in the bar (Filipeanas) and whooped their asses despite hitting with high power all the time. The thrills make her horny for later LOL. So she orgasmed much quicker than usual. She is used to americans, English and Europeans. Singapore English is hard for her to understand and they don't understand her well either. Very few aspirated consonants in Singapore English. They cannot prounce letter T, K and P properly. Thais can. Thais struggle.with Sh, Th, X, etc. Different problems.
She was sexy so bargirls were asking her a lot of personal questions.
I like a bar in Soi Cowboy, or Bangkok Beat vastly more. Orchard Tower was not a place I would hurry back to. More like an expensive low class place, should I say shit hole. Perhaps unfair as we couldn't go ipanema or Bongo bar without her passport.
Wow! Thanks for the report on Sin and orchard towers (aka four floors of w.).
$33 Sin for LD? That's $24 USD. I went there several years ago and it was not that pricey. Never took anyone and can't remember price but it was more because the place was overrun with mercenary Viets.
Fun report to read.
Wow! Thanks for the report on Sin and orchard towers (aka four floors of w.).
$33 Sin for LD? That's $24 USD. I went there several years ago and it was not that pricey. Never took anyone and can't remember price but it was more because the place was overrun with mercenary Viets.
Fun report to read.My two cents on a full on 10 days in Bangkok. Followed ISG, best forum by a country mile for guidance and apart from some obvious shilling it is invaluable. I only scratched the surface but still visited over 20 locations and was "taken care of "more than 10 times. I didn't retain names or numbers or prices (too confusing) and I've refrained from gratuitous soaked sheets accounts of self-styled sexual prowess, it's simply a run through of where I went and what I thought was good and not so good.
Soapies.
Nateree: my favourite, relaxed and welcoming, my chosen lady lacked experience but was young, beautiful, sexy and willing to follow.
La belle: attractive line up, had a more experienced provider here, more expensive than Nateree but worth it.
Darling: A less than friendly welcome and a motley crew on duty. Passed.
Annies: The least attractive bunch of providers I came across on my stay, not recommended if you want looks. Incidentally the shilling I referred to earlier is IMHO quite blatant with regard to this place and some others associated with it.
Chavala: Don't bother.
Oilies.
Snow white: My favorite, very friendly staff had a great GFE plus PSE with a genuinely wanting to please lady.
Tulip: Not the best selection and somewhat run down but again had to try the fabled PSE, not disappointed.
Addict: Love the uniforms especially the hats. Nice vibe got lucky with a recent arrival with whom I extended from 1 to 2 hours.
Cherry: only 3 on duty when I visited early afternoon, none seem worth exploring so passed.
Dr BJ Nuru: Didn't bother going inside when I saw the talent or lack thereof sitting outside.
Clubs.
Mixx: a late night buzzy club with lots of women. Got talked into an expensive easily forgotten hook up. Don't let that sweet smile fool you, club girls are sophisticated hunters in search of easy prey.
Spasso: Loved the vibe, great music and lots of expensive high class talent. Somewhat tired when I arrived, didn't click and left alone.
Climax: Overcrowded and loud but met a self described part timer needing rent money who stayed till noon next day and would have stayed forever. So sweet and affectionate, closest I came to falling in love.
BJ bars.
Kasalong: Found the cutest looking girl I came across on the BJ circuit, unfortunately her skill set was not commensurate with her looks but still an enjoyable 30 minutes. Generally line up far more attractive than [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s next door.
Dr BJ: Picked a nurse, couldn't for the life of me see the difference in looks between nurses and the more expensive consultants and sad to say it was the most disappointing of my blow Job experiences. Maybe she was just having a bad day but it was hurried uncaring and so lacking in technique it was becoming painful. I zipped up and left early.
Bitstyle Soi 22: A Japanese style attraction. Although it's 1200 for a 30 minutes. BJ, they say longer if needed as finish is guaranteed, plus a beer it's worth it for the talent and standard of service. Well trained lookers delivering a slow sensual experience, best BJ I had.
Star Of Light: Something about getting a BJ in the toilet while sucking on a cold one. Recommended.
Watering Holes.
Gullivers: large, inexpensive. , decent grub, with a limited selection of free lancers, best pool hall in town.
Beer Garden: Cannot see the attraction of this spot maybe it's needs a number of visits to become familiar with the layout.
Country Road: Between 5 and 7. Good music, laid back, left with a cute red head from Buriram.
RobinHood: Great breakfast, nice selection of ciders.
Molly Malones: Best of the Irish bars although the Dubliner is also worth a pint.
Regular massage.
1 like to start the day with a regular massage. I was staying at the Marriott on 57, nice rooms and roof top hang out for a getting to know you before a romp and so no end to the choices available around Thonglor. Invariably a special was on offer but apart from my first visit I wisely decided to save my energies, I'm mid 50"s, for more fulfilling liaisons later in the day. My favorite shop was called Tandy Massage on 53, their hot oil hot stone treatment is blissful and ideally primes the pump for what's to come. Tried to date the owner without success but did manage to get a memorable massage from her.
Go Go's.
Cowboy is much better than Nana. A mix of regular girls and agency coyotes who want to charge an arm and a leg for their company. I did the usual in and out along the strip, it's a mix of low key smaller bars and large multi stage emporiums. My favorite was Crazy Horse, high octane sleaze with serious hustle. Some amazing naked nubile bodies. If you visit watch your tab and count your change which incidentally is good advice for all entertainment venues. Doubtless go go's have the most attractive providers in town but there is something about the set up that for me at least lacks the warmth and conviviality of other P4 P platforms. That said I did get blind drunk with a mother of two at I think it was Toybar with whom I woke up next morning without remembering how I got home.
My take on the ongoing discussion that service and attitude in Thailand has deteriorated and prices are way up compared to the glory days of the past is probably for those living here more a reflection of the aging process and inflation than anything else. When you can laid and have a massage for less than 2000 baht I for one see no reason to complain. For sure it's a hit and miss business dependent on knowledge, chemistry, attitude and luck but if you are patient, realistic with your expectations, respect the girls you meet and don't get too hung up on cost it's a no brainier for me, Bangkok is best for P4P.
With all due respect I am just amazed that dudes accept this kind of service and will even line up to pay dearly for it..... LOL I knew when I posted that, the regulars would unleash the wrath of furry on me. To be fair I don't blame Syzygies and Goatscrot because I don't usually put up with BS like this. CBJ or paying upfront would mean NO DEAL right away, but I just had to have this girl. I don't know why, but I just did. And yes Goatscrot guys were lining up for this girl at these terms.
I am not a GOGO bar guy. I do most of my mongering in the oilies. I only had 2 GOGO girls all trip, this one and #4 also from CH. 2500 Baht and she also wanted CBJ but agreed quickly to BBBJ. She was fun.
On my next trip I will get in touch with you guys and we can go hunting for girls together.
Banana Boi
04-11-15, 20:50
Excellent summary. Thanks Gerry.
I've refrained from gratuitous soaked sheets accounts of self-styled sexual prowess, it's simply a run through of where I went and what I thought was good and not so good.
This style is the best reviews imo. Just straight info comparing a bunch of places you went to, good and bad.
LOL I knew when I posted thatMr Zeus,
Its no big deal to me. Every guy has right to decide what he wants at the time. I compromise my principles too when girl is exceptional. I once went with Nat a very stunning girl. I don't remember but possible I would have agreed to a higher than normal price. I did not regret it. Despite being known to have a Tom girlfriend, she was enthusiastic on the bed and appeared to enjoy herself. Probably a bisexual girl. Only regret is did not get to fuck her many times. Amazing tits and amazing body. A 10 point body and 8 to 9 point face. Almost perfection. She could say to me 8K for long time, and I would be forced to take it since only find a girl that hot once every 10 years. I actually only got ST since she was going to a birthday afterwards and I think price may have been 2500 or 3000. Next time back at CH she had stopped working there. Probably her Tom didn't like her having fun with guys.
I only wanted to point out that accepting to pay up front is not usually necessary, if they trust you. In my case, they know me so no problem. Girls often go with me without even discussing the price.
I only recall one girl wanted to do CBJ but I managed to convince her I was clean and would not CIM. As she was very inexperienced BBBJ was not that great anyway. I think some girls asking for CBJ are scared the guy will CIM. Others are concerned about smelly dick under foreskin. Others maybe scared to catch a disease. Anyway lots of possible reasons.
I am preferring Gogos as I like to see the girl naked or virtually naked to make sure her body is really hot enough for me. No surprises. I never ever take girls with fat thighs so I need to see at least the legs properly. Also I like to spend time chatting to one or several girls before deciding. I don't care if spend a bit more than minimum. At massage places I largely stick to girls I know already, to avoid surprises. The less the girls are wearing at the MP, the better. I will.make body compromises though for girls that are great on the bed, but I have to like at least the face and personality.
Always good to get some variety.
GerryGa,
I don't with everything 100% but its a pretty good honest summary. I don't find any problems at CH with the bill. They would not dare. Plus I have my regular waitress who gets tips from me.
I see a decline in service from Soapies. Twenty years ago Chaopraya 2 was a really great place. Today its a lot more hit and miss in all the soapies. Hard for me to find great girls even in Nataree and La Belle. Often the girls recommended for best service are just not my spec due to nose jobs and tit jobs. In the old days most girls were all natural. Nose jobs is eliminating such a high percentage of the girls for me.
Bars I do see some decline in attitude and service, but OK if pick the right girls. This is key. Can always get unlucky and pick a dick scared girl.
Normally I only go to Suzi Wong for the number one girl but she was busy. Last night a visit just for fun. Some old girls returning, unfortunately with added weight.
Girls I knew were Anne very good D implants and hourglass "Lara Croft" like body, skinny Dtom, Yao legs got somewhat bigger, and Naam put on a bit of weight. Did not see Naam for nearly two years. Legs not too fat as still has reasonable gap. Did not fuck her for at least 3 years, but recalled she was good on the bed. She is now 21.
Took Naam ST. She was lacking in recent sex I am guessing. Was a very loud and enthusiastic screamer. Her first orgasm came after about only 3 minutes or less of DATY, but a couple more during the session. Her pussy feels as good as ever. Tits are not big but not saggy.
Would have stayed Long Time if I wanted it.
Really likes fucking as always. Face is above average but not stunning. "taa yee" slanty eyes, a bit more than normal comes from Ubon.
All girls mentioned here are recommended for barfine in terms of a good time on the bed, perhaps not pornstar (I never ask for anal) for anyone who likes their look. Anne is the very quiet one who doesn't talk much. Naam is the boisterous one of these girls.
I think most girls in SW are experienced sexually and some have babies. Many are far too average to be considered an probably only 2 fab bodies to my taste with number one girl often missing booked or pre booked. I usually go CRAZY House as many more good figures.
LOL I knew when I posted that, the regulars would unleash the wrath of furry on me. To be fair I don't blame Syzygies and Goatscrot because I don't usually put up with BS like this. Just to be very clear, there was absolutely no wrath or fury from me. You stated what you did. Fair enough. I stated that I don't seem to have to do the same thing, and that its not really necessary in normal circumstances. Everyone can do whatever they want. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. I just wanted to point out it is not the thing to be normally expected. I am sure I get better treatment from being a well known regular good customer of the bar however.
Girls that eyed with great suspicion as a new customer, feel very relaxed about me now. Regular girls see how I interact over a long time and it helps to have a good reputation. I don't have to put up with any shit consequently. One girl that came over to pester me last night, was quickly told off by other staff.
Finnish Fucker
04-12-15, 12:19
Did not see Naam for nearly two years. Legs not too fat as still has reasonable gap. Did not fuck her for at least 3 years, but recalled she was good on the bed. She is now 21.
Big S is back to Bangkok, LOL. Here is a gap for you!
Gulfcruise
04-12-15, 14:01
My two cents on a full on 10 days in Bangkok. Followed ISG, best forum by a country mile for guidance and apart from some obvious shilling it is invaluable. I only scratched the surface but still visited over 20 locations and was "taken care of "more than 10 times. I didn't retain names or numbers or prices (too confusing) and I've refrained from gratuitous soaked sheets accounts of self-styled sexual prowess, it's simply a run through of where I went and what I thought was good and not so good.
Nice and interesting report. Would take the pros and cons for my upcoming trip.
Just to be very clear, there was absolutely no wrath or fury from me.That line was an attempt at lighthearted humor. Relax buddy, I know you guys mean well. Thanks for your input.
What level of TOOTH gaps is ok? Gaps between the eyes? Nostril gaps?
Whats up with some asians with their water guns on Sunday? At least Thais are waiting till Monday.
Today I am in Crazy House again. Some cuties. I am particularly taken by an 18 YO cutie high school student with very firm high natural tits approx. C- size and also very cute nose and mouth, number 49 May-Lee. Dances totally nude. Well padded pussy. She doesn't work much, but has to get money to pay for school and misc. Her mother doesn't know what she is doing.
Anyways she starts molesting me a bit so I might as well molest her too. Meanwhile I accidentally meet an old ISG acquaintance from 7 years ago Centaurus. I don't believe he has posted for a long time. I wonder if Traveler1234 remembers who he is?
Always a punt to take a very young inexperienced girl even if she acting very keen to be fucked. She was loosened up by a few tequilas, some maybe from a previous customer.
ST with her was okay Had to get her to remove some internal sponge as happens in about 1 out of 5 to 10 girls I find in general. They are usually surprised that I find them, however typically only about 4 inches deep, if that. Certainly within finger reach. She was okay On the bed, including some kissing, and writhed around somewhat but no where near as good as my normal CH girl. Fingering was allowed. Sometimes its just about how well two bodies fit together. So while I find her very cute, my regular girl is also pretty and twice as good at fucking. So I probably won't have reason to repeat 49 unless there is little else around, some day. On the other hand definitely not in the bad or starfish category. Could well be excellent for some guys. I felt unusually tired after cum tonight, so I think I must have eaten too much earlier, and it sapped some energy, or else I am getting sick. There was just no reason to be feeling stuffed after the sex. Wasn't hard work.
Big S is back to Bangkok, LOL. Here is a gap for you!Hey buddy, the flying FF, that is only a small gap, Naam had about that much gap or just a little more. Normally I take much wider gap than that. That pic perfectly illustrates my limit. If girl has thicker thighs than that (and less gap), she gets ruled out.
My taste often approaches chop-sticks legs. LOL
Hey Folks,
Any chaps here planning for a Bangkok trip during the Month of June from 12th - 20th. ? I am planning for a first time International trip alone and I would like to meet fellow mongers.
Along and explore the city together.
Also would be of great help if someone could provide tips as in (selecting hotels / Places to Visit / Places for mongering). Appreciate your help.
Hey Folks,
Any chaps here planning for a Bangkok trip during the Month of June from 12th - 20th. ? I am planning for a first time International trip alone and I would like to meet fellow mongers.
Along and explore the city together.
Also would be of great help if someone could provide tips as in (selecting hotels / Places to Visit / Places for mongering). Appreciate your help.I would suggest using airbnb for accommodations.
Hey Folks,
Any chaps here planning for a Bangkok trip during the Month of June from 12th - 20th. ? I am planning for a first time International trip alone and I would like to meet fellow mongers.
Along and explore the city together.
Also would be of great help if someone could provide tips as in (selecting hotels / Places to Visit / Places for mongering). Appreciate your help.If you want to meet up with a fellow mongers, you're more likely to get a response if you post on this sub-forum since that's the purpose of it:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2182-Travel-Announcements-Only-%28No-questions-or-comments-please%29
Mumbai Guy
04-13-15, 07:26
Check the following link. It will provide all basic information.
http://bangkokredeye.com/
Hey Folks,
Any chaps here planning for a Bangkok trip during the Month of June from 12th - 20th. ? I am planning for a first time International trip alone and I would like to meet fellow mongers.
Along and explore the city together.
Also would be of great help if someone could provide tips as in (selecting hotels / Places to Visit / Places for mongering). Appreciate your help.
Check the following link. It will provide all basic information.
http://bangkokredeye.com/Its just an intro. Some of it is far out of date. The author clearly doesn't know everything he writes about really well. That would be difficult without continual research to all places. So its a reasonable attempt. Everyone has their own biases.
In Soi Cowboy he mentions Sheba bar and not Crazy House. How long ago did Sheba Close? I guess in 2012. At the time it was my favourite gogo bar. Lighthouse arrived in its place early 2013. Bar fines and girl prices are old obviously.
So after the intro, a newbie should read here regularly to get more up to date info.
See "The Midnight Hour" for regular historical updates with little evident bias. However its not really intended for newbies, as its latest news oriented instead of a summary.
Stickman has produced some useful stuff but I can't always agree with him. He Once wrote that Bacarra was by far the best go-go bar in the country. I thought he was very misguided. I don't like it at all. I have only ever BFed about 3 girls from there, and that was long ago. A bar full of Zombies / aliens was my assessment.
I have been using penegra 25 MG. However its effects don't last more than 4 - 6 hrs. I just read that Cialis effect lasts 24 - 36 hrs.
Can someone suggest if this is correct. What is the dose of Cialis you should use. Is genuine stuff available in Pattaya (because that's where I am headed).
Price and place where Cialis can be bought in Pattaya.
AirlineCrew
04-13-15, 15:27
Soapies.
Nateree: my favourite, relaxed and welcoming, my chosen lady lacked experience but was young, beautiful, sexy and willing to follow.
Oilies.
Snow white: My favorite, very friendly staff had a great GFE plus PSE with a genuinely wanting to please lady.
I can only agree with you!! Although I had a wonderful time with BB in cherry last year too.
But I agree with you there too, if I had not seen BB there I would have walked out the door. The other 3 girls there where wearing very very casual clothing. BB was the only one in a sexy outfit and great face. (she let me cum 3 times in 2 hours, we had a great vibe going, as long as you are respectful to the girls you can be pleasantly surprised of course you always need to watch your wallet hehehe).
AirlineCrew
04-13-15, 15:34
I wonder if Traveler1234 remembers who he is?He probably does! He is a great guy, and half elephant so he remembers a lot hahahaha
Had to get her to remove some internal sponge as happens in about 1 out of 5 to 10 girls I find in general. They are usually surprised that I find them, however typically only about 4 inches deep, if that.So English is not my main language, are you saying that you found a tampon inside her that she had forgotten about?
Traveler1234
04-13-15, 15:55
Meanwhile I accidentally meet an old ISG acquaintance from 7 years ago Centaurus. I don't believe he has posted for a long time. I wonder if Traveler1234 remembers who he is?That's the only hint I get, old timer from 7 years ago. LOL.:)
Finnish Fucker
04-13-15, 16:59
That pic perfectly illustrates my limit. If girl has thicker thighs than that (and less gap), she gets ruled out.
My taste often approaches chop-sticks legs. LOLDo you use this tool when ruling out the hookers by their gap in agogo bar? LOL.
That's the only hint I get, old timer from 7 years ago. LOL.:)The hint was the handle Centaurus. I can't be sure you met him though. Real name begins letter Dee. Was a German with white hair. We went on double date nights out with Tulip girls. I struggle to remember the name of his Tulip girl. A slim pretty one. He was around new year 2008 I am fairly sure.
Paul Kausch
04-13-15, 17:06
I have been using penegra 25 MG. However its effects don't last more than 4 - 6 hrs. I just read that Cialis effect lasts 24 - 36 hrs.
Can someone suggest if this is correct. What is the dose of Cialis you should use. Is genuine stuff available in Pattaya (because that's where I am headed).
Price and place where Cialis can be bought in Pattaya.Genuine Cialis and quality generics do last 24-36 hours, though based on my personal experiences they are effective for about 24 hours. I'd start at 10mg. If it is not effective increase to 20mg. Remember, more is not necessarily better. You need to find your optimal dose.
Cialis is also used to treat BPH (benign enlarged prostate), in which case a daily dose of 2.5mg or 5mg is taken. I take the daily dose, which really helps relieve my symptoms of BPH. As a consequence I am capable of getting an erection 24/7. The down side is I believe I have less intense orgasms than I used to. I cannot unequivocally attribute this to the Cialis, but I believe it is a major factor, along with age. I am 64.
I cannot recommend places to purchase Cialis in Pattaya. I can tell you to not buy it from street stalls. In Bangkok I have bought it from several of the pharmacies along lower Sukhumvit. I have always purchased the Cialis brand and not a generic. I have never had a problem with the product I have purchased from any of these locations. I buy the 20mg dose and use a pill cutter to split the pill into four doses. Because of the tear dropped shape of the pill I end up with two larger and two smaller sections. I take them on alternating days with good results. I cannot remember how much I pay.
In Pattaya I'd buy from a local pharmacy.
FYI, I've been told in Bangkok chains like Boots require a prescription.
Do you use this tool when ruling out the hookers by their gap in agogo bar? LOL.That looks more like a nipple measuring tool. Is there anything you can suggest to measure the inside of the pussy and double as a pussy sponge remover?
I assure you I do study the gap between girls' thighs very carefully and obviously prefer girls to dance nude. Tit size is not a big worry for me.
Some girls I used to fuck are now ruled out as their thighs grew larger.
Finnish Fucker
04-13-15, 17:21
I assure you I do study the gap between girls' thighs very carefully and obviously prefer girls to dance nude.Yes I can easily believe that you do, you freak of nature, lol.
Well we all have our obsessions. Mine is large firm natural tits, you are the Gap-man. Your needs are easier to accomplish in Thailand, loads of skinny girls.
You would get a heart attack in a country like Brazil when seeing the horse asses and muscular thighs. On the other hand they do have some nice big juggs over there.
Traveler1234
04-13-15, 19:10
The hint was the handle Centaurus. I can't be sure you met him though.Nope, never met anyone with that handle.
Banana Boi
04-13-15, 22:16
Do you use this tool when ruling out the hookers by their gap in agogo bar? LOL.I think Syzy just uses his tongue.
I was just in BKK for the first time venturing out there alone. I stayed at S15 Sukhumvit hotel for about 70 usd a day. It was a very convenient location as is was accessible to the BTS and both districts in addition to Terminal 21.
Research how to use the train system from the airport. It will save you time and money.
As a first timer I enjoyed my experience at NEP more than Cowboy.
I liked my trip so much that I'm going back to BKK after a week of business in Tokyo.
Last time I met a girl whom I really connected with and ended up BFing her couple days and she showed me around BKK. It was good time.
June is going to be hot! Hope you are prepared.
Overall it was a good trip for a newbie in BKK. City and people there are nicer than I imagined. The week before I was in Angeles City and I didn't enjoy it as much.
Hey Folks,
Any chaps here planning for a Bangkok trip during the Month of June from 12th - 20th. ? I am planning for a first time International trip alone and I would like to meet fellow mongers.
Along and explore the city together.
Also would be of great help if someone could provide tips as in (selecting hotels / Places to Visit / Places for mongering). Appreciate your help.
Calvin: S15.
That's a nice hotel. My friends and I go there on Friday for their lunch buffet special. Classy lobby though never saw the rooms. Plenty of SW's hanging around on Suk nearby in evening though too many LB's.
So english is not my main language, are you saying that you found a tampon inside her that she had forgotten about??? :-(Of course not. Girls are still working when have period still going a sponge is stuffed up there to stop blood being evident. Sometimes called Luuk Jiap or similar. Its different to a tampon.
Some girls even stuff their pussy every day to protect uterus from bruising. I cannot fuck girls with a sponge in there as dick gets impeded before full insertion.
I took sometimes Apcalis, a generic brand of Cialis. I buy it often at Eastern Pharmacy or something near Suk soi 13. I split the 20 MG in half and for me it lasts more than 24 hours. The drawback is that it becomes harder to come, so I use it only when I plan to be with a friend of he night in order to sastisfy her, even if I won't come many times.
Genuine Cialis and quality generics do last 24-36 hours, though based on my personal experiences they are effective for about 24 hours. I'd start at 10mg. If it is not effective increase to 20mg. Remember, more is not necessarily better. You need to find your optimal dose.
Cialis is also used to treat BPH (benign enlarged prostate), in which case a daily dose of 2.5mg or 5mg is taken. I take the daily dose, which really helps relieve my symptoms of BPH. As a consequence I am capable of getting an erection 24/7. The down side is I believe I have less intense orgasms than I used to. I cannot unequivocally attribute this to the Cialis, but I believe it is a major factor, along with age. I am 64.
I cannot recommend places to purchase Cialis in Pattaya. I can tell you to not buy it from street stalls. In Bangkok I have bought it from several of the pharmacies along lower Sukhumvit. I have always purchased the Cialis brand and not a generic. I have never had a problem with the product I have purchased from any of these locations. I buy the 20mg dose and use a pill cutter to split the pill into four doses. Because of the tear dropped shape of the pill I end up with two larger and two smaller sections. I take them on alternating days with good results. I cannot remember how much I pay.
In Pattaya I'd buy from a local pharmacy.
FYI, I've been told in Bangkok chains like Boots require a prescription.
El Frances
04-16-15, 13:20
I have been using penegra 25 MG. However its effects don't last more than 4 - 6 hrs. I just read that Cialis effect lasts 24 - 36 hrs.
Can someone suggest if this is correct. What is the dose of Cialis you should use. Is genuine stuff available in Pattaya (because that's where I am headed).
Price and place where Cialis can be bought in Pattaya.You can buy at the pharmacy right on the side of Tim's gogo bar in second road. Better buy Apcalis it's cheaper 400 one box of 4 pills, 3000 10 boxes. And quite good. start with one half pill / day, if it's not enough, one full pill. Don't take more without doctor's advice and don't take more than once /24 h.
They probably have genuine cialis but I guess you would have to pay something like 1500/2000 per box.
El Frances
04-16-15, 13:27
Today I am in Crazy House again. Some cuties. I am particularly taken by an 18 YO cutie high school student with very firm high natural tits approx. C- size and also very cute nose and mouth, number 49 May-Lee. Dances totally nude. Well padded pussy. She doesn't work much, but has to get money to pay for school and misc. Her mother doesn't know what she is doing.
Anyways she starts molesting me a bit so I might as well molest her too. Meanwhile I accidentally meet an old ISG acquaintance from 7 years ago Centaurus. I don't believe he has posted for a long time. I wonder if Traveler1234 remembers who he is?
Always a punt to take a very young inexperienced girl even if she acting very keen to be fucked. She was loosened up by a few tequilas, some maybe from a previous customer.
ST with her was okay Had to get her to remove some internal sponge as happens in about 1 out of 5 to 10 girls I find in general. They are usually surprised that I find them, however typically only about 4 inches deep, if that. Certainly within finger reach. She was okay On the bed, including some kissing, and writhed around somewhat but no where near as good as my normal CH girl. Fingering was allowed. Sometimes its just about how well two bodies fit together. So while I find her very cute, my regular girl is also pretty and twice as good at fucking. So I probably won't have reason to repeat 49 unless there is little else around, some day. On the other hand definitely not in the bad or starfish category. Could well be excellent for some guys. I felt unusually tired after cum tonight, so I think I must have eaten too much earlier, and it sapped some energy, or else I am getting sick. There was just no reason to be feeling stuffed after the sex. Wasn't hard work.It's long time I haven't been there. What was the damage?
Feedback / review about her service please.
Somewhere15
04-17-15, 20:02
Feedback / review about her service please.As you do not give many points of reference hereby what I remember:
She is very efficient, very polite, multitasking and delivery a good meat qualify for the price that you pay and of course as everyone who is working at the McDonalds: she service you with a big smile.
Enjoy here service!
Yeah I liked the S15. The room was clean and shower was modern and big to allow two to three people at once. The people were nice and hotel was guest friendly. I just wish I was on a higher floor with a better view.
Next month I'm going to try out Adelphia Hotel on Soi 8.
Calvin: S15.
That's a nice hotel. My friends and I go there on Friday for their lunch buffet special. Classy lobby though never saw the rooms. Plenty of SW's hanging around on Suk nearby in evening though too many LB's.
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