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Crocodilexp
05-22-15, 19:21
Ever fuck a girl, hit the sack and smell something god awful on your Dick? Couple showers help but it sticks in your brain. I'm at the dollhouse now and their draft smells worse than fucking 5 crack goes.Be careful, bad smell from the nether regions is usually a strong indicator of a health problem (either bacterial infection, yeast, or something else). Definitely don't let it get on your dick.
This is doubly true for Thais given that they're generally careful when it comes to personal hygiene (shower before and after). I wouldn't think much of a smelly Chinese hooker, but a smelly Thai one certainly has a problem.
Be careful, bad smell from the nether regions is usually a strong indicator of a health problem (either bacterial infection, yeast, or something else). Definitely don't let it get on your dick.
This is doubly true for Thais given that they're generally careful when it comes to personal hygiene (shower before and after). I wouldn't think much of a smelly Chinese hooker, but a smelly Thai one certainly has a problem.Was referring to the smell of the draft beer the dollhouse sells, was trying to give a description of the smell coming from the glass of 'beer'.
Watch out for the crazy house scam of charging 2 lady drinks when they bring out a shot and a coke chaser. You get double the lady drinks. Two becomes four, four becomes eight.Sure that is 2 lady drinks. The girl is the tricky one, if you said you would buy her just one drink. What is typical is a miscommunication problem where she actually asked for both, but not understandably to you.
Certain CH girls do try this one on to get two drinks at a time. Its not good for some girls to just drink Tequilas till drunk.
Last night had a look in DollHouse, first time for a while. Not much really pretty girls at time I arrived maybe 9PM. However new skinny Coyote girl there Som was very pretty (no tits though - padded bra). Used to work at Kiss (an "Arab" bar). While she would have been totally unavailable for BF before, now is available, for those who want to do a Coyote girl. She has a BF of 1000 (a bit higher than normal) but time limit of 1 hour for the short time before she gets fined for late return. Seemed very friendly. The old annoying mamasan has gone, and they promoted a lovely service staff girl to be the new mamasan. You won't find a bar with a nicer mamasan than Dollhouse. There are two mamamsans, so I only talk of one of them, however I was told the other is also nice.
Later went for a look in Crazy House. Line up was fabulous. Sleek slim girls a few with very cute faces. Plenty of shaven pussy brightly lit. Not much silicone. Even have a girl with natural D cups. Bought drinks for 2 girls Noi 78 and May Lee 49. Have barfined Noi long ago. She can perform very good if not too drunk. Last night was rather drunk so not a good idea. May Lee is the reverse. A bit restrictive (no kissing) when sober, but after a few drinks she opens up to lose the inhibitions and becomes (can become) a horny girl with tongue kissing. YMMV. May Lee is extremely cute. Very nice natural almost C cups to go with very pretty face. A bit short but heels help.
Two mamasans at CH also. The skinny one is probably the better one to deal with.
No experience but this shop has LB's on their website and I assume the cost would be less: http://ezmassagebkk.com/?page_id=713.
Check out this forum: http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?3187-Foreign-Sex-Workers-in-Thailand.
SLWarning that this post contravenes the rules of ISG re LBs. So I don't recommend you promote LBs in anyway. ISG is supposed to be for 100% hetero activity only. Can post about how to recognise and avoid them. Admin may let a little bit go but be careful.
Also, I was planning for Russian babes. All the websites that I have searched reflect very high cost 6 k TBH, which is very high for me. Is there any cost effective place to get Russian babes.
SamIf your primary interest is not Thai girls, would be a mistake to come here. Just read the forum regularly and you see the recommended places.
How common is it to go out solo looking for fun? Would you guys say it's safe to be traveling alone the streets around Sukhumvit at night?Yes its relatively safe, just avoid getting too close to the ladyboys as they can be dangerous on rare occasions. Never had a problem myself. You don't need a wingman in Bangkok. I never see the need for a wingman, however I speak Thai okay Pick up a wing-girl at some bar is easy.
Agree with Wolven about avoiding dark deserted alleys though.
Above all stay cool and don't pick a fight. If you really look hard for trouble, you will find a lot more than you expected and end up in hospital.
Thanks a lot at Sunlover2 for the information.
No experience but this shop has LB's on their website and I assume the cost would be less: http://ezmassagebkk.com/?page_id=713.
Check out this forum: http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?3187-Foreign-Sex-Workers-in-Thailand.
SL
Ever fuck a girl, hit the sack and smell something god awful on your Dick? Couple showers help but it sticks in your brain. I'm at the dollhouse now and their draft smells worse than fucking 5 crack goes.Breadman,
The solution to that is simple. Don't bareback these girls and your dick will not stink.
DwayneJohnson
05-23-15, 10:40
Warning that this post contravenes the rules of ISG re LBs. So I don't recommend you promote LBs in anyway. ISG is supposed to be for 100% hetero activity only. It is a discriminatory policy. May be when ISG started LGBT was a huge taboo but this is 2015, things have changed dramatically. Is there a way to debate existing policies.
P.S.: I am 100% hetero and only once I experimented with LB but could not get hard so moderators please don't ban me (LOL).
Someone asked about MILFs last week.
I had an unexpected free night in BKK after no trip for almost 2 years and after a meal ventured to the BG.
After a little time a somewhat anxious looking lady sat down the bar from me.
After a while I bought her a drink and struck up conversation.
Lek 35 yo Northern Isaan, high cheekbones, braces on teeth, passable to good English, works for export / import company. Recently started do Bar before day off. Dress in office wear. Nice high heels, neat skirt and top. No tattoos. Slightly drunk and giggle after second beer.
LT, after a shy start, hot and horny, excellent in all aspects. Slim, small BS but big dark nipples, soft skin, no stretch marks. Really nice. WIR. If I get chance on return, maybe a regular.
It is a discriminatory policy. May be when ISG started LGBT was a huge taboo but this is 2015, things have changed dramatically. Is there a way to debate existing policies.
(LOL).To 'chat'about LBs find another site. Just because it is 2015 it does not mean that the policy should be changed. I find myself in total didageement with those who constantly use the cliche "times have moved on" to justify unnecessary change.
To 'chat'about LBs find another site. Just because it is 2015 it does not mean that the policy should be changed. I find myself in total didageement with those who constantly use the cliche "times have moved on" to justify unnecessary change.Agreed. I for one don't think LB activities belong on this forum.
DwayneJohnson
05-23-15, 11:43
To 'chat'about LBs find another site. Just because it is 2015 it does not mean that the policy should be changed. I find myself in total didageement with those who constantly use the cliche "times have moved on" to justify unnecessary change.Ohh forgot to mention that it is discrimination even if it was 1015. Time has moved on does not mean change the policy, it just means discrimination is more visible now and opposition to discrimination is more vocal.
I don't give a damn if interested member discuss it here or anywhere else but discrimination is a discrimination, it is not a change induced on old folks by young and dumb.
Wolvenvacht
05-23-15, 12:13
It is a discriminatory policy. May be when ISG started LGBT was a huge taboo but this is 2015, things have changed dramatically. Is there a way to debate existing policies.
No, it is not discriminatory. "Discrimination" is usually defined as "treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit".
This is not what the "ban" here on discussing sex with LBs is about. Actually discussing anything except subjects of sexual behaviour (and related issues) between men and women are banned here: "This website is about sex between men who were always men and women who were always women" as the Forum Rules & Guidelines state. It is exactly as wrong to discuss the finer points of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics here as it is to discuss where to find LBs.
What you see as "discrimination" is actually just the scope of the forum. Anyone, man, woman or in-between is welcome to join this forum and discuss the subjects that are validly addressed here.
No, it is not discriminatory. "Discrimination" is usually defined as "treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit".
This is not what the "ban" here on discussing sex with LBs is about. Actually discussing anything except subjects of sexual behaviour (and related issues) between men and women are banned here: "This website is about sex between men who were always men and women who were always women" as the Forum Rules & Guidelines state. It is exactly as wrong to discuss the finer points of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics here as it is to discuss where to find LBs.
What you see as "discrimination" is actually just the scope of the forum. Anyone, man, woman or in-between is welcome to join this forum and discuss the subjects that are validly addressed here.In line with newer research trends in the history of sexuality, health practices, medical styles and LGTB recommendations (most predominantly Western so far.) there should be a strong social and ethnic acceptance of the difference between transgender and sexuality.
This view consequently advises "adoption by others of the name and pronouns identified by the person in question". Which means, basically, that a person that identifies herself as female, no matter any "surgical status" ("pre- "post", "non-) is a female.
In my (quite limited) knowledge of Thai perception of "Kathoey" this includes a permanent reference to this person as "she". This is definitely the norm that I have experienced myself within the (middle class) Thai network I have interacted with. If that person also identifies herself as female heterosexual, she's in scope of the site. IMHO defining "all the time" in the sense as "was also born with male / female genitals", you send the perception of gender 50-60 years back in time, when deviance from the two strict definitions of gender and sexuality was treated with force, medicine, prison and what's worse.
Being fucked by a heterosexual LB that refers to herself permanently as "she", with or without a dick, IMO is the same as being fucked in any other ass-play or strap-on variant.
I will of course respect any stricter definition by Jackson. And maybe this topic should be moved to another thread.
Ralph Kramden
05-23-15, 13:47
Someone asked about MILFs last week.
I had an unexpected free night in BKK after no trip for almost 2 years and after a meal ventured to the BG.
After a little time a somewhat anxious looking lady sat down the bar from me.
After a while I bought her a drink and struck up conversation.
Lek 35 yo Northern Isaan, high cheekbones, braces on teeth, passable to good English, works for export / import company. Recently started do Bar before day off. Dress in office wear. Nice high heels, neat skirt and top. No tattoos. Slightly drunk and giggle after second beer.
LT, after a shy start, hot and horny, excellent in all aspects. Slim, small BS but big dark nipples, soft skin, no stretch marks. Really nice. WIR. If I get chance on return, maybe a regular.It is good news that semi-pro free lancers will work this venue in competition with the regular population of street hardened pros.
Member #4698
05-23-15, 13:54
Prediction: All these recent LB posts will be deleted by Jackson. The Copenhagen Interpretation (Quantum Mechanics) is a more acceptable topic on the ISG. LOL.
Personally I side with Einstein who said, "I, at any rate, am convinced that he (God) does not throw dice."
Bohr's response was very interesting however, "Do you really think the moon isn't there if you aren't looking at it?"
Prediction: All these recent LB posts will be deleted by Jackson. The Copenhagen Interpretation (Quantum Mechanics) is a more acceptable topic on the ISG. LOL.
Personally I side with Einstein who said, "I, at any rate, am convinced that he (God) does not throw dice."
Bohr's response was very interesting however, "Do you really think the moon isn't there if you aren't looking at it?"I retreat from Heisenberg's summary of the mysterious Copenhagen meeting, in fear of a ban right before my summer Thailand tour is coming up!
DwayneJohnson
05-23-15, 16:12
Prediction: All these recent LB posts will be deleted by Jackson. The Copenhagen Interpretation (Quantum Mechanics) is a more acceptable topic on the ISG. LOL.
Personally I side with Einstein who said, "I, at any rate, am convinced that he (God) does not throw dice."
Bohr's response was very interesting however, "Do you really think the moon isn't there if you aren't looking at it?"Bohr wasn't a stubborn old man and made peace with the change, his response was "Einstein, don't tell God what to do. ".
Robert Long
05-23-15, 18:48
In that area I think the majority of men are going "solo" although you probably won't stay alone for a long time. Besides, it is one of the busiest areas of Bangkok, so it is never deserted, any time day or night.
Pickpockets are probably the worst risk and crossing the street when not fully sober is really something to avoid.
Of course, don't go courting risks and walk into the unlighted alleys of the sidestreets of the sidestreets, you never know what hides in the shadows there (lizards, mangy dogs, down-on-their-luck farangs, . . .)!A friend and I were walking on Suk and we had just finished dinner. Not paying attention to the crowds. In a dark area a lady appeared and grabbed my buddies balls and he was shocked and just stopped. She was talking about come fuc* me, At the same time she put her hand in his pocket and took a fistful of money. Jumped on the back of a motorbike and off they went.
It is a natural reaction to think about your family jewels and ignore the hand in your pocket. Always pay attention to your surroundings.
RL.
Crocodilexp
05-23-15, 20:26
In my (quite limited) knowledge of Thai perception of "Kathoey" this includes a permanent reference to this person as "she". Not really. Thai language is convenient in that the 2nd /3rd person pronouns (like khun / another site / khao / mun) are all gender-neutral. Therefore, nobody is forced to refer to them as either "he" or "she". In polite Thai one would refer to them as "females of the second kind" (pooying brapayt song), but not be compelled to use the same term as for full females. Kathoeys themselves use gender-specific particles like "ka" or 1st person pronouns (like chan / noo), and that is accepted.
Tony Hoeprano
05-23-15, 21:39
My girlfriend's younger brother conducted a study in college on the sexual habits of foreigners in Thailand, divided into the categories of sex tourist and expat. His research suggested that out of the sex tourists, 45% had sexual encounters with LB. The findings with expats was interesting.
Japanese and Korean expats - 45% said they had LB sex.
Germans - 60%.
UK - 35%.
USA and Canada - 30%.
India - 75%.
Australia - 25%.
Russia - 5%.
My girlfriend's younger brother conducted a study in college on the sexual habits of foreigners in Thailand, divided into the categories of sex tourist and expat. His research suggested that out of the sex tourists, 45% had sexual encounters with LB. The findings with expats was interesting.
Japanese and Korean expats - 45% said they had LB sex.
Germans - 60%.
UK - 35%.
USA and Canada - 30%.
India - 75%.
Australia - 25%.
Russia - 5%.How was the survey conducted? Now is that with pre or post LB? Numbers might be higher as a certain % would deny admitting to encounters.
My girlfriend's younger brother conducted a study in college on the sexual habits of foreigners in Thailand, divided into the categories of sex tourist and expat. His research suggested that out of the sex tourists, 45% had sexual encounters with LB. The findings with expats was interesting.
Japanese and Korean expats - 45% said they had LB sex.
Germans - 60%.
UK - 35%.
USA and Canada - 30%.
India - 75%.
Australia - 25%.
Russia - 5%.Was this study published anywhere? I'd like to read it and evaluate the methodology used to reach these statistics as well as take a deeper look at the actual statistics (e.g., it is unclear from your presentation which statistics are for sex tourists, and which for expats).
On the other hand, if it was just some sort of unpublished college project for an undergraduate course, I would be highly skeptical as to its accuracy as doing this sort of research is fraught with all sorts of methodological problems.
It is a discriminatory policy. May be when ISG started LGBT was a huge taboo but this is 2015, things have changed dramatically. Is there a way to debate existing policies.
Things may have changed dramatically in your mind. I have been in Thailand on and off for over 20 years. I don't see that much change really. My tastes have become a bit more fussy or picky. Otherwise no change.
Of course this Forum has a topic. The Admin people do not want posters to stray from the topic. It irritates me already how many posts in the Bangkok thread have nothing to do with sex. This is not a Bangkok general tourism forum. I believe the General thread should be used for off topic stuff.
It would be a huge turn off to me, if discussing gay activities was included in the forum scope.
I don't believe that a discussion about changes to the forum rules will be fruitful. Even if you want to discuss blow age sex, the rules state that it is out of bounds.
The people that run it, probably thought these rules out. If you don't like the forum rules, you can go to a forum whose topic is what you want, or you merely belong to multiple forums with multiple topics.
Being fucked by a heterosexual LB that refers to herself permanently as "she", with or without a dick, IMO is the same as being fucked in any other ass-play or strap-on variant.
I will of course respect any stricter definition by Jackson. And maybe this topic should be moved to another thread.While you are correct that LBs refer to themselves and others as "she" in English, and polite others do also, its hardly relevant. This does not turn them into real women. Legally they are not. Psychologically they are not. Anatomically they are not. Many guys having an accidental experience have been psychologically traumatised. Some or most members certainly don't want to read about lurid details of that type of encounters.
Here is the actual rule text from the General Rules page:
"No Discussion about Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males: Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that refers to Homosexuals, Transvestites, Transsexuals or She-Males. This website is about sex between men who were always men and women who were always women. Any person violating this policy will banned immediately. ".
Was shopping in Fortune town so decided to check out some Soapies.
Firstly Amsterdam at 6 PM. I used to have a favourite girl there but she disappeared a year or two back. I knew the papasan who greeted me was a pushy annoying pest so promptly told him not to bother to go with me to the line up. The array of fake noses looked pretty alien to me. Recognised two girls I have taken some time in the past. Could not really remember if either was particularly good. I always remember outstanding girls. Anyway no one was really doing it for me. I sat for at least 30 minutes but nothing stunning came out.
Decided to leave and have a look in Nataree, Emmanuelle, and High Class. The Nataree Booran section had a girl with a cute face. Another guy had called her out. I could see she had overdone silicones, so wasn't disappointed to miss out. Not many slim girls here. One girl with really nice face, but a little big in thighs maybe, and papasan confirmed the tits had implants. In main Nataree section best looking girl had removed to a separate room. Seemed to be waiting for a booking. Plenty of moderate good looking girls but no spark for me.
Emmanuelle also packed out with nose jobs. I think the time has come for me to give up soapies altogether. I am just not motivated anymore. The typical style of looks is not for me. Too much over makeup, adjustment, and clothes on don't allow to see what we are getting. Most girls being seated does not help. Finally I am stuck too much on my favourite girl. Nothing else seems to measure up.
I could not help feeling the several natural Crazy House girls look better than the Soapy girls. Being slim, standing up, and unclothed helps a lot to make them more attractive I guess, plus I like the more narrow faces and just plain straight hair without nose jobs (obviously Baccara would have the wrong looks for me also), but rather cute little slightly upturned noses.
My desire to fuck various girls has faded away. Got it too good from favourite girl for a while, and never bored by her. I can save a lot of time and money by staying home. So my mongering reports may drop right off.
Undercoverh
05-24-15, 07:47
After 17 years working in Bangkok, I am going to retire. The question, where will spend my retirement years. BBK is not a choice for me. I seen BBK go from a cheap enjoyable place to one of being high prices, poor service, and over run with sex tourist. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against sex tourist. My point is that Thais in Bkk have become jaded with farangs, thus the poor service, scams and high prices. I have visited many Asian counties trying to determine where will I live out and enjoy the rest of my days. To my surprise, I have found a few places not in another country but right in Thailand. It is the cities of issan, for example Korat. I know this is a section for Bkk, but give me a minute to explain why I am posting here. By chance, I went to korat and Phitsanulok" on a business trip. First, the Thais there are much nicer and respectful then the Thais in Bkk, Pattaya, or many other places I been to in Thailand. Next, the massage palour girls gave a lot better service then the girls in Bkk, and many of these girls were cute and excited to be with me. This is not always the case in Bkk. Also, the price was a lot cheaper. Korat reminds me of how Bkk was 15 years ago. So here is my point, if you are tried of Bkk, get out and explore Issan. You will not find it overrun with sext tourist, thus you will get a lot more attention from the girls and ladies. Be a big fish 8n a small pond. Note that there are tons of tourist all over Thailand, but way less in Issan. I am in my 50s, I look like I am in my early 40s. While in Korat, I met 3 school girls while I was eating at a small food outlet, ages 18. They wanted to try their English with me. So we talked for about an hour. 2 girls left and the one tall cute brown skinned 18 girl with nice long jet black hair and stayed and talked with me. She was really sweet, funny, and nice. We exchanged cell phone numbers. Later that night, she invited me to hang out with her and her friends. One gay guy, 2 more new girls, and my new friend. The five of us had a really nice fun friendly time. I decided to take them all out to eat at a small thai place. Total cost for food for all of us, $18. This has never happen to me in Bkk. Good luck with meeting nice regular Thai cute girls in Bkk and starting a conversation with them and being invited to hang out with them. Also, When I went on the trip I dressed in nice business shirt, pants, and shoes (only because I was there on business), but I noticed I got treated better then the few tourist I saw in shorts, T shirt, and old flip flop shoes. What you wear suggest who you are and your economic status in life. Thais pay a lot of attention to this. Will I retire there, I will give it serious thought. Note Korat is not Bkk with sex for sale everywhere, but there are lots of options for sex with cute young girls, over 18 yo. There are about 5 massage palours there, night clubs, freelancers, etc. There are post on this site but they are not complete and out of date. Consider this post "food for thought. And yes, my new Thai female friend and I are planning to spend more time together when I go back to Korat. She is tall, somewhat a big bone girl, but still cute, with a pretty smile, flawless brown skin, and long soft jet black hair. When I told her she is pretty, she disagreed with me. She said Thai men like white skin Thai girls not brown skin Thai girls. Ok, well that just leaves more super pretty brown skin Thai girls for me!
Banana Boi
05-24-15, 10:16
She said Thai men like white skin Thai girls not brown skin Thai girls. As I'm preparing for my first trip to Thailand, I've watched hundreds of videos for BKK and Pattaya and was surprised to notice most of the clientele are farang rather than Thai men. Is it because Thai men can't afford to pick up girls at the beer gardens and clubs? Do they hobby in different parts of Thailand with 'white skin' Thai girls?
After 17 years working in Bangkok, I am going to retire. The question, where will spend my retirement years. BBK is not a choice for me.
My desire to fuck various girls has faded away. Got it too good from favourite girl for a while, and never bored by her. I can save a lot of time and money by staying home. So my mongering reports may drop right off.It would be a real loss to the BKK section losing 2 veterans like yourselves.
Syzy, you're welcome to join me in the Pattaya part of my trip. Maybe a change of scenery will help you recharge your juices.
As I'm preparing for my first trip to Thailand, I've watched hundreds of videos for BKK and Pattaya and was surprised to notice most of the clientele are farang rather than Thai men. Is it because Thai men can't afford to pick up girls at the beer gardens and clubs? Do they hobby in different parts of Thailand with 'white skin' Thai girls?
Generally, the Thai men hang out at different places than the foreigners. There is some overlap, for example at some of the soapies, but most of the places you read about here are directed at foreign customers.
I remember once going to Tulip (the oil massage place) and a Thai man walked in wanting a session with a girl. They said there were no girls available then. Knowing this was almost certainly not true I stayed until the Thai man left. They then told me they didn't accept Thai customers and of course there were girls there.
I should add I once went to an area in Bangkok with go-gos pretty much exclusively for Thai customers. I went with an Asian friend who could speak Thai; none of the girls or staff at the go-gos seemed to speak any English. Others here will likely know the name of the area, but I don't remember it.
Tony Hoeprano
05-24-15, 14:28
Was this study published anywhere? I'd like to read it and evaluate the methodology used to reach these statistics as well as take a deeper look at the actual statistics (e.g., it is unclear from your presentation which statistics are for sex tourists, and which for expats).
On the other hand, if it was just some sort of unpublished college project for an undergraduate course, I would be highly skeptical as to its accuracy as doing this sort of research is fraught with all sorts of methodological problems.
How was the survey conducted? Now is that with pre or post LB? Numbers might be higher as a certain % would deny admitting to encounters.I don't know the details, but it involved mostly dummy accounts on FB, other social sites, and online dating sites. It's not like they can stand outside the Asoke MRT station asking random individuals if they've been with a LB.
I should add I once went to an area in Bangkok with go-gos pretty much exclusively for Thai customers. I went with an Asian friend who could speak Thai; none of the girls or staff at the go-gos seemed to speak any English. Others here will likely know the name of the area, but I don't remember it.I believe you're referring to the Saphan Khwai area? I've been one time and it's not worth going unless you speak Thai. Prices didn't seem much cheaper than the Farang oriented red-light districts. So that begs the question, where does the Thai regular Joe go to (or should I say regular Somchai) for p4 p? There has to be a place where Thai truck drivers and construction workers troll for hookers.
Undercoverh
05-24-15, 17:17
As I'm preparing for my first trip to Thailand, I've watched hundreds of videos for BKK and Pattaya and was surprised to notice most of the clientele are farang rather than Thai men. Is it because Thai men can't afford to pick up girls at the beer gardens and clubs? Do they hobby in different parts of Thailand with 'white skin' Thai girls?
It would be a real loss to the BKK section losing 2 veterans like yourselves.
Syzy, you're welcome to join me in the Pattaya part of my trip. Maybe a change of scenery will help you recharge your juices.Good question regarding clientele being farang rather than Thai men. The middle class Thai men I know would never go to the tourist spots to pick-up Thai girls. They feel these areas, e.g. , Pattaya, Nana, Soi Cowboy, etc. is low class and it is for the sex tourist. Also, middle class Thai men, and rich Thai men, feel these girls in the tourist areas are of low class, not that pretty, are worn and used sexually by foreigners from all over the world. In addition, most of these girls in Soi Cowboy, Nana, etc. have babies, been married, dark skinned, etc. Simply stated, most of them are not young and fresh. For Western men, we find these girls pretty and they make us horny. This is understandable considering Western men come from countries where fat old women are in charge and there are no sexual outlets. The old hookers in America, for example, will charge $300 to $500 for an hour of sex in an area near Vegas. No wonder Western men come to Thailand and are happy with the leftovers that Thai men do not want.
The question then becomes, where do Thai men go for sex? First, it is important to note that Thai bars, Pattaya, Nana, etc. , were created for the service men during the Vietnam war. It was never intended for Thai men. After the Vietnam war ended, or as the Vietnamese call it "the American War" the bars that were left behind started to attract tourist with encouragement from the Thai government. It is a fact that the selling of sex in Thailand brings in tons of tax money for the Thai government. Simply stated, middle class and rich Thai men go to Thai brothels, KTVs and middle and upper class Thai massage parlors. The MP was created for Thai government officials, middle class and rich business Thai men, and the Thai police. I am not talking about Nataree, that is a MP for tourist. I am referring to the countless MP in Bangkok and around Thailand that most tourist never go to or do not know it exist. For example, at Gianza MP in Korat, in the parking lot are lots of nice SUVs and BMWs, and other nice cars. Clearly, these are not tourist.
Regarding skin color. Sad but true Thai men like the white skinned Thai girls. Not the brown skinned Thai girls. Thai men have this outdated idea that brown skin means the family comes from a poor farm and they work in the sun all day. In addition to being uneducated. The Bangkok sex trade and Pattaya, or any of the many other outlets for tourist will be dark skinned girls from Issan. Thus, another reason Thai men will not visit them. The Thai MP have a wide selection of white skinned Thai girls and other girls from other countries close to Thailand, e. G. , Laos. Thai men like the MP that provides a nice setting, tall white skinned girls, restaurants, high end bar, entertainment, etc. For middle class and rich Thai men, it is not just about the sex, it is also about the sexual service provide and the surroundings. And middle class and rich Thai men will happily pay for these services. Some models at the MP will cost 5,000 to 10,000 baht for just one hour. In addition, they will pay pay for drinks, dinner at these MP and often upgrade the MP room to a suite. They spend more in one night, then most Thais make in a month. In these MP, you will not almost never see farangs. But the ones in Issan I have been to, will charge me the same price as they charge Thai men. Non of this BS that some MP in Bangkok will charge Western men more then they charge Thai or Asian men.
If a Thai girl is tall, white skinned, between 16 and 19, and pretty, she will not even think of working in Pattaya or the many other tourist spots. She will opt for the high end MP where she can make lots more money. Likewise, if a Thai girl is just ok looking, brown skinned, and somewhat short, she will not even think of applying to a high end MP visited my Thai men. She knows that she will never be hired. She will opt to work in Bangkok, Pattaya, or any of the other tourist hot spots for selling sex in Thailand for sex tourist. The Thai women learn from a young age where they fit into Thai society. Oh, you may have noticed I stated the age 16. The ages of 16 and 17 are not available to farangs at MP. But it is certainly available to Thai men, mostly outside of Bangkok in rural regions of Thailand....to Thai men who are willing to pay the higher price. Before you become upset at this, some of the girls in MP at 16 or 17 years of age are put there by their family to pay off debt or to get needed money for food, medical expenses. I only stated this because this is the reality of Thailand. I think it is terrible, but it is..... what it is.
The good news is, there are tons of brown skinned Thai girls in Issan that are young, cute, fresh, and not have been jaded by Bangkok, Pattaya, C. Mai, or the many other tourist hot spots. To Western men, these young brown skinned Thai girls are very cute and pretty. That leaves a ton of opportunities for Western men in places like Issan. So enjoy pattaya and Bangkok, I did when I was young. But when you get tried of it, and you will, know that Thailand offers many other options.
As one Thai businessman told me, Thai women love to suck dick. That fact is, in the Thai culture, sex is something that is enjoyed and needed by both Thai men and Thai women. The Thai girlfriends I have had over the years actual enjoyed sex (these were not hookers, but regular educated Thai girls) compared to the Chinese and Vietnamese girlfriends that I had, that used sex to get what they needed financially. I think I will choose Thailand to retire, because of the Thai women and the many outlets and options for sex with horny Thai women of all shapes, sizes, and ages (over 18 of course). Enjoy!
DwayneJohnson
05-24-15, 17:18
So that begs the question, where does the Thai regular Joe go to (or should I say regular Somchai) for p4 p? There has to be a place where Thai truck drivers and construction workers troll for hookers.Chinatown and may be Lumphini park on after bonus pay.
Undercoverh
05-24-15, 18:32
So that begs the question, where does the Thai regular Joe go to (or should I say regular Somchai) for p4 p? There has to be a place where Thai truck drivers and construction workers troll for hookers. Chinatown and may be Lumphini park on after bonus pay.I have seen the brothels where low income Thai men go (e. G. , truck drivers, construction works, Thai regular Joe, etc.), and you would not want to go there. The women are old, worn, and they have sex with several men a day in local spots. It is not clean, but it is cheap. But forget about service, you have about 30 minutes to shot your load. Also, Thai men of low income know women that sell it on the side. For example, the aging mom with no husband and kids to feed, etc. Worst, many of these Thai men do not like to use condom. Basically, these women are the bottom of the sex barrel. Thai truck drivers, construction works do not make much money, are not very clean, drink a lot, etc. I am not putting them down, I am just stating facts. Thus, these guys are not looking for nor can they afford clean sex workers. My advice, avoid this option. It may seem like a cheaper option, but it is more trouble. Stick with the normal sex tourist areas of Nana, Soi Cowboy, Pattaya, etc. And just be willing to pay the higher price (compared to Thai regular Joe). However, it is your money and your choice and I have no right to tell you what to do with it.....I only offer friendly advice.
Crocodilexp
05-24-15, 19:08
where does the Thai regular Joe go to (or should I say regular Somchai) for p4 p? There has to be a place where Thai truck drivers and construction workers troll for hookers.I believe I can answer that question with some authority.
One major area for streetwalkers is Khlong Lot, several blocks south of Rachadamnoen Nok road right south of Khao San road. Prices there are 300-600 (or as low as 200 for the really decrepit and old ones). Some of these women look ok, but mileage is quite high, 5-10 customers per for many years. Service is bad, especially with better looking ones. Three major ST hotels in the area (hotel 39 being the main one), plus a 30 baht shack for those who can't afford the 100 baht ST hotel fee.
Another area is Yaowarat (Chinatown), mostly along Wong Wian 22 (the traffic circle), and a few adjoining streets to the south. Prices are a tad higher, 400-800 I think, and quality is a bit better, although service is more rushed and unfriendly (if that is even possible).
Slightly more upmarket is an area near former State Cinema near Imperial mall close to Samut Prakan ( 2 km south of BTS Bearing along Sukhumwit). Karaokes, 700 baht per pop, or so I heard there, but never tried it.
There is also an occasional streetwalker near Wong Wian Yai traffic circle, but that is sparse. Some low-end karaokes / massages also in the area, I don't know much about those.
Most women in the low-end zones are accessible to Farang (it's good if you speak minimal Thai). Hookers there are not a squeamish lot, but not for a squeamish customer either.
Streetwalkers around Lumphini and Phahon Yothin are not that cheap (from a low-class Somchai perspective), 1000 baht per pop.
I have read many posts in Thailand forum alluding to the fact that some well endowed or very well service providers are often snared by rich men from across the world and taken off the grid.
But how is this supposed to work? The rich guys are tourists or business men after all, they visit Thailand couple of times a year at the most. So what is the point of paying large sum of money to someone year round hoping to spend a few nights with her? Why not sample the variety with much less cost and possibly headaches?
Can someone with any first hand knowledge of the scene please enlighten me?
Thanks in advance.
I believe I can answer that question with some authority.
One major area for streetwalkers is Khlong Lot, several blocks south of Rachadamnoen Nok road right south of Khao San road. Prices there are 300-600 (or as low as 200 for the really decrepit and old ones). Some of these women look ok, but mileage is quite high, 5-10 customers per for many years. Service is bad, especially with better looking ones. Three major ST hotels in the area (hotel 39 being the main one), plus a 30 baht shack for those who can't afford the 100 baht ST hotel fee.One of my favorites places for mongering since 15 years, fully agree with your accurate purposes Croc excepted about hotels. In 15 years I was never able to entered in 39 hotel,other is Palace (140 baths with A / see a real love hotel,) who hardly accepted farang (mostly depend if the guys knows the girl), for the moment.
Then Smile guest house accepted farang for 100 baths the room. Room are not well maintained but you get clean towel. Yesterday night a farang wanker make trouble at smile GH because the girl doesn't want to BJ him, so he doesn't to paid the price required by the girl. There is another Chinese hotel but farang are not accepted.
Then like you said you have wood shack houses near the 7/11. It s not now 50 baths with condom include. But no real bathroom, no towels, no soap, just a fan. Really dirty place and those working around these place are the lower quality.
Speaking Thai is a big plus, for avoid the misunderstanding.
Price is like you said from 200 to 500+ room.
Another area is Yaowarat (Chinatown), mostly along Wong Wian 22 (the traffic circle), and a few adjoining streets to the south. Prices are a tad higher, 400-800 I think, and quality is a bit better, although service is more rushed and unfriendly (if that is even possible).
Most women in the low-end zones are accessible to Farang (it's good if you speak minimal Thai). Hookers there are not a squeamish lot, but not for a squeamish customer either.In Chinatown some days you have big choice of girls others days the selection is slim. For the moment I cannot see the Chinese girls. Ever their headquarter remained empty. Rooms condition is like Khlong lot.
At Undercoverh you should know that Chinatown and Khlong lot got also big bunch of part time girls. I mean some girls having a regular job but coming just one day (often during their day off) or couple hours for extra cash. But if you re not a regular with these places your chance to recognized them are slim. These girls are better than any professionals and will never cost you more than 500 baths.
Venturing into local places is another experience. The kind of local place you will find all over Thailand. Because forget about bar, parlor if you go to the countryside.
As I'm preparing for my first trip to Thailand, I've watched hundreds of videos for BKK and Pattaya and was surprised to notice most of the clientele are farang rather than Thai men. Is it because Thai men can't afford to pick up girls at the beer gardens and clubs? Do they hobby in different parts of Thailand with 'white skin' Thai girls?
Syzy, you're welcome to join me in the Pattaya part of my trip. Maybe a change of scenery will help you recharge your juices.Thai men certainly go to Soapy Massage parlours and also Thai oriented Oilies, and various clubs. I am bored with the soapies that Thai men go to somewhat. They do have a different taste.
I would say Thai men like a whiter skin, more voluptuous (even a bit of flab) where I like slimmer, they are no so happy with very small tits but take silicones, they like the fake noses, they are much more happy to take a chinese style of look (rounder flatter faces).
I have been to the Thai gogo joints in Saphan Kwai. Most of the girls there were nothing that special to my taste. The odd very good looker. The problem there is it does not really get started till 11 PM. I am a guy who like to operate in an earlier time period. Also they don't really do complete nudity but do wear see though underwear. Can be a bit cheaper than Farang oriented gogos if want to sit with girls for long periods. Most girls won't have good English. No problem if you happen to speak Thai.
Like Thai men, I don't go to beer gardens. The line up is too small, and chances of finding a stunner to my taste is very low. Older girls fatter girls, uglier girls, etc.
I am not likely to go to Pattaya while so stuck on one girl here.
I don't know the details, but it involved mostly dummy accounts on FB, other social sites, and online dating sites. It's not like they can stand outside the Asoke MRT station asking random individuals if they've been with a LB.
I believe you're referring to the Saphan Khwai area? I've been one time and it's not worth going unless you speak Thai. Prices didn't seem much cheaper than the Farang oriented red-light districts. So that begs the question, where does the Thai regular Joe go to (or should I say regular Somchai) for p4 p? There has to be a place where Thai truck drivers and construction workers troll for hookers.As to the LB study, it is precisely because you cannot ask random individuals whether they have been with a LB, and even more difficult to randomly sample different nationalities for comparisons (there will be cultural differences in their willingness to admit to this behavior, for example) that I am skeptical about the accuracy of the study earlier reported.
And yes it was the Saphan Khwai area that I visited, and I agree it is not worth going unless you speak Thai. But if I recall, there were quite a few Thai customers there and while they did not on average look poor, neither did they for the most part look rich.
One girl highly tattooed and wearing a bra but no panties, had an unusual shaped face. Reminded me of a LB, even though she wasn't. Strange jaw. Yet guys called her over for a drink very quickly. No accounting for different taste. Definitely not pretty for my taste and very small tits covered (who knows what they would look like).
Someone asked about the girl with heavily tattooed ass at Crazy House recently. She is No. 84. Tan skin, large hoop earrings and long jet black hair. I can't say if any good. Very different looks like hers appeals to some. No accounting for taste. Not very cute to me with not particularly feminine face. Very pronounce jaw and chin. I believe she covers tits because they are saggy.
However not the worst looking girl in the bar. Some girls ugly for me are very popular, probably due to more wayward exhibitionist behaviour.
Meanwhile another girl with quite a few tats but none on ass, has a very hot slim figure. Short straight hair not even to shoulder. High firm small tits. Name is kradtaen (sounds like gut-dan). Forget the number. Her face is a little sharp but her overall look is a bit like singer Rhianna, and very sexy. I could consider taking this girl, especially for doggy as her ass is really hot. Slim legs. She recently returned from a two month break.
Meanwhile there are some really cute looking girls. May Lee 49 or tall slim Naam (maybe no. 64? Number 4, number 68 etc. Haven't actually discovered names of all of them.
Member #4591
05-25-15, 13:01
I have just booked a birthday date with this girl for Friday but something does not feel right about her. Can anyone vouch for her? Has anyone else seen her before? Bar fined her? I found her on we chat but I suspect she is also working at a Bangkok Go go. Any help would be much appreciated. I don't want to waste the 10,000 I offered her for the night if she is not legit, or an awful experience. Please PM with any details.
Jimmy Boy 99
05-25-15, 15:15
I have just booked a birthday date with this girl for Friday but something does not feel right about her. Can anyone vouch for her? Has anyone else seen her before? Bar fined her? I found her on we chat but I suspect she is also working at a Bangkok Go go. Any help would be much appreciated. I don't want to waste the 10,000 I offered her for the night if she is not legit, or an awful experience. Please PM with any details.10,000? Why so much?
10,000? Why so much?If you are going to comment it would be much better to say that the fee is too high by x,000 Baht. Or to suggest alternative sources where an overnight would cost less.
Too many people are always sayin "that is too much" when may be the guy is quite happy paying 10,000 Baht. Matbe he gets a limoin from the Airport.
You're nuts, S. He could get three beauties for that amount. She does have nice tits tho.
If you are going to comment it would be much better to say that the fee is too high by x,000 Baht. Or to suggest alternative sources where an overnight would cost less.
Too many people are always sayin "that is too much" when may be the guy is quite happy paying 10,000 Baht. Matbe he gets a limoin from the Airport..
Asian Rain
05-25-15, 18:11
I don't want to waste the 10,000 I offered her for the night if she is not legit, or an awful experience.No offense intended, but the work and shape of the pussy looks very much like a post-op. You can see how she is careful to blur the one pic that shows all the kit. If the last pic where she is spreading was a couple inches lower, you would see where the actual hole is. Just a suspicion. Tell us how it works out. AR.
Mumbai Guy
05-25-15, 18:29
She is most likely to be a post op LB. The tits are definitely silicone. I have a feeling that I have seen her outside either Cascade or Temptations in NEP.
I have just booked a birthday date with this girl for Friday but something does not feel right about her. Can anyone vouch for her? Has anyone else seen her before? Bar fined her? I found her on we chat but I suspect she is also working at a Bangkok Go go. Any help would be much appreciated. I don't want to waste the 10,000 I offered her for the night if she is not legit, or an awful experience. Please PM with any details.
Tony Hoeprano
05-25-15, 19:05
You're nuts, S. He could get three beauties for that amount. She does have nice tits tho.
.Three beauties for that price, and not to mention fully equipped with a real vagina.
I have read many posts in Thailand forum alluding to the fact that some well endowed or very well service providers are often snared by rich men from across the world and taken off the grid.
But how is this supposed to work? The rich guys are tourists or business men after all, they visit Thailand couple of times a year at the most. So what is the point of paying large sum of money to someone year round hoping to spend a few nights with her? Why not sample the variety with much less cost and possibly headaches?
Can someone with any first hand knowledge of the scene please enlighten me?
Thanks in advance.I used to be with such a girl. Very pretty with nice body. I met her at Biergarten.
Her sponsor is a German businessman. He bought or rented a nice apartment, bought a car and keeps her. He comes once or twice a year. Meanwhile she has the run of the house and car. Sends her money and brings nice gifts when he comes there.
We went everywhere with her driving. But being young and horny she goes and meets people. Only for foreigners. We had a good relationship for a while. I am sure she has fun on the side as well. I did take care of her expenses and bought her gifts. However there was no money demands.
Why the German guy does it? No idea!
Probably he wants a arm candy when he visits. Or does not know what to do with his money. The girl said he was not much interested in sex. He did take her to Phuket etc.
On the other hand I did support some girls in Phi for studies. Of course payback was sex and company when I visited. It is possible they were having sex with others although they said never.
In my case besides the fact I wanted to help, I felt good that a GF is waiting for me at the airport and as soon as we got into the room we had terrific sex. We had lots to talk about. We were into each other whatever we did. This kind of experience you will not find P4 P type.
Draw your own conclusion!
Wolvenvacht
05-25-15, 19:15
I have read many posts in Thailand forum alluding to the fact that some well endowed or very well service providers are often snared by rich men from across the world and taken off the grid.
"Taken off the grid". That's what they want to believe. "You can take the girl out of the bar, but you cannot take the bar out of the girl".
Member #4591
05-25-15, 20:22
She is most likely to be a post op LB. The tits are definitely silicone. I have a feeling that I have seen her outside either Cascade or Temptations in NEP.My thoughts as well but am not sure. Better to go with instincts on this one. As for the money, it's simple. I will book a 12 hour date with a white skin beauty. I will take her for dinner and then plan a full on porn star experience for that evening and the following half day. I don't want any hassles or drama so that's why I am willing to spend that money. Why are there so many people worrying about others pocket books. Driving up the prices is a full of crap excuse. Back in our home country 315 dollars would buy you 2 hours with an average looking lady, not a full on 12 hour sex party.
DwayneJohnson
05-25-15, 20:36
Why are there so many people worrying about others pocket books. Driving up the prices is a full of crap excuse. Back in our home country 315 dollars would buy you 2 hours with an average looking lady, not a full on 12 hour sex party.Rates are actually on par with EZmassage,101 premier,my princess, bangkokescort. You might get better deal for 24 hours at these and less plastic girl but then again beauty lies in the eyes of beholder.
Member #4591
05-25-15, 21:42
Rates are actually on par with EZmassage,101 premier,my princess, bangkokescort. You might get better deal for 24 hours at these and less plastic girl but then again beauty lies in the eyes of beholder.It's not about the money or a better deal.
Why are there so many people worrying about others pocket books. Driving up the prices is a full of crap excuse. Back in our home country 315 dollars would buy you 2 hours with an average looking lady, not a full on 12 hour sex party.Because you are not in your home country. That is kind of the point.
I used to be with such a girl. Very pretty with nice body. I met her at Biergarten.
Her sponsor is a German businessman. He bought or rented a nice apartment, bought a car and keeps her. He comes once or twice a year. Meanwhile she has the run of the house and car. Sends her money and brings nice gifts when he comes there.
We went everywhere with her driving. But being young and horny she goes and meets people. Only for foreigners. We had a good relationship for a while. I am sure she has fun on the side as well. I did take care of her expenses and bought her gifts. However there was no money demands.
Why the German guy does it? No idea!
Probably he wants a arm candy when he visits. Or does not know what to do with his money. The girl said he was not much interested in sex. He did take her to Phuket etc.
On the other hand I did support some girls in Phi for studies. Of course payback was sex and company when I visited. It is possible they were having sex with others although they said never.
In my case besides the fact I wanted to help, I felt good that a GF is waiting for me at the airport and as soon as we got into the room we had terrific sex. We had lots to talk about. We were into each other whatever we did. This kind of experience you will not find P4 P type.
Draw your own conclusion!Thanks a lot for your detailed explanation. So such things do happen in real life no matter how bizarre or useless they may sound. I do understand someone in your position sponsoring to a small extent but someone from continents who won't spend more than a few days in the country. Ah well to each his own.
"Taken off the grid". That's what they want to believe. "You can take the girl out of the bar, but you cannot take the bar out of the girl".Wolvenvacht,
Very true indeed, I have read lot of horror stories on stickman's site about bar girls dumping loving husbands and lovers.
I don't want any hassles or drama so that's why I am willing to spend that money.If you are willing to spend 10,000 TBH I suggest you book an escort with a reliable escort agency, you will get Hi-class service with guarantee that she is not a post-op LB, and you will avoid any potential disappointment, hassle or drama. That's why escort agencies exist for people who can afford it.
Member #4591
05-26-15, 06:33
Because you are not in your home country. That is kind of the point.Bla bla bla. In Thai they say " bua". Happy mongering to all. I should have known better than to post this. I knew the price police would be out in full force.
"Taken off the grid". That's what they want to believe. "You can take the girl out of the bar, but you cannot take the bar out of the girl".The bar eventually leaves the girl. Sooner or later, the girl will realize that they can't do the bar scene forever.
Bla bla bla. In Thai they say " bua". Happy mongering to all. I should have known better than to post this. I knew the price police would be out in full force.I don't think the responses were of the flavor "Don't spend 10 k baht on one night because you are going to jack up the prices. " Rather they were "Why spend so much when you can get better value for your money. " Personally, I figure you should do whatever makes you feel happy. But you should have expected people taising eyebrows over what you are willing to spend.
Bla bla bla. In Thai they say " bua". Happy mongering to all. I should have known better than to post this. I knew the price police would be out in full force.Why are you paying 10 k to have Only one night with a girl? You should learn to negotiate. Get her to do multiple days with you. I figure 5 days is good since it is about 2000 baht a night if you pick someone from dance clubs.
It's not about the money or a better deal.It is your money and dick. Go at it.
Why are you paying 10 k to have Only one night with a girl? You should learn to negotiate. Get her to do multiple days with you. I figure 5 days is good since it is about 2000 baht a night if you pick someone from dance clubs.I think because he wants to.
DwayneJohnson
05-26-15, 17:05
I don't think the responses were of the flavor "Don't spend 10 k baht on one night because you are going to jack up the prices. " Rather they were "Why spend so much when you can get better value for your money. " Personally, I figure you should do whatever makes you feel happy. But you should have expected people taising eyebrows over what you are willing to spend.Second that and prices are not too high for a 12 hour gig. I was just wondering why he is not paying 2 k-4 k more and get a highly likely GFE from reputed escort agency for whole day instead of just 12 hours of uncertainty.
IllusionHeart
05-26-15, 18:16
It is your money and dick. Go at it.BKKdog, If you are seeking opinion, everyone is going to contribute, even on the things you didn't seek input on.
As Dg8787 has rightly said, its your decision. Do what you feel like. Its your money and your choice. You can share your experience if you wish later on. We might get something to learn or know from it.
Wolvenvacht
05-26-15, 19:05
The bar eventually leaves the girl. Sooner or later, the girl will realize that they can't do the bar scene forever.Yes indeed. But you cannot force it. Either it is her decision (and not because some sponsor sends her a monthly allowance) or the ravages of time force her out of The Game.
I have just booked a birthday date with this girl for Friday but something does not feel right about her. Can anyone vouch for her? Has anyone else seen her before? Bar fined her? I found her on we chat but I suspect she is also working at a Bangkok Go go. Any help would be much appreciated. I don't want to waste the 10,000 I offered her for the night if she is not legit, or an awful experience. Please PM with any details.I'm a bit late to the party, but she's a good, but still rather obvious, post-op. The head, lips and overall facial structure isn't exactly right. Still, she's very good, at least in the pix.
10 K seems a bit steep for a complete gamble, but I see Chinese gamblers lose far more on a single hand of blackjack, so, it's your money. Let us know what happens.
Stayed at the Miami hotel and spent lots of time from nana plaza to soi 23 and everywhere in between. Afternoons sitting at K3 seemed good. From there you can watch the freelance lineup in front of the nana hotel. Soi 23 happy hours are the best in the early evening. Late night and all day you can find them lined up by the McDonalds closest to nana on sukumvit. I had a few fun encounters. Pm me for details.
MiD.
Mumbai Guy
05-28-15, 06:01
Thats true. How much to spend and on whom to spend is entirely your choice mate. If you you feel it is VFM then ignore all the hue and cry and as they say " Just Do It". And please post an FR afterwards.
Cheers. MG.
My thoughts as well but am not sure. Better to go with instincts on this one. As for the money, it's simple. I will book a 12 hour date with a white skin beauty. I will take her for dinner and then plan a full on porn star experience for that evening and the following half day. I don't want any hassles or drama so that's why I am willing to spend that money. Why are there so many people worrying about others pocket books. Driving up the prices is a full of crap excuse. Back in our home country 315 dollars would buy you 2 hours with an average looking lady, not a full on 12 hour sex party.
Bla bla bla. In Thai they say " bua". Happy mongering to all. I should have known better than to post this. I knew the price police would be out in full force.I hope it all goes to plan and all the money you spend gets you what you want but generally the more money you throw at them the more contempt they have for you and at the end of the day they just want to get out of your space anyway they can.
However, they do respect a fair deal from a smart operator who pays the market value and doesn't broadcast that he is just a dickhead that leads with his wallet.
Cheers
IndStallion31
05-28-15, 15:17
Reached Bangkok today after having a great first time experience in Pattaya. After checking in my hotel grand president, went for some shopping with friends. Then came back around 6 and went to Soi 7. Massage parlors girls were pulling me and trying to make a customer out of me. But I wanted to try dr BJ salon today. Went there. The line up had two set of girls. White dress 700 B and black dress 1000 B. Chose a horny teacher looking girl from the black lot and proceeded. Its my first time.
So couldn't rate it much with q.
Respect to a BJ bar.
But I felt she did a good job. Only drawback was she was pushing me hard for boom boom. And quoted 2 k for it. I laughed out and said next time. There was no other activity other than BJ. No kissing or removing the tops. I just touched her from outside.
Do the girls remove the tops in BJ bars for free access?
After the activity I paid and got out. Saw dr BJ nuru also. Didn't try. Now planning to hit out nightclubs and find a FL for the night.
Tomorrow I'm planning to take a soapy or oily. I'm just thinking. I need good PSE and sliding. If someone could suggest me a place to try and may be the timing to have the best collection. I'm thinking of trying Nataree or Annie's.
Kindly help me out.
Thank you.
A question for the local veterans. How does the Thai work world look on liaisons between colleagues in a company or office environment?
Member #4591
05-29-15, 07:27
Reached Bangkok today after having a great first time experience in Pattaya. After checking in my hotel grand president, went for some shopping with friends. Then came back around 6 and went to Soi 7. Massage parlors girls were pulling me and trying to make a customer out of me. But I wanted to try dr BJ salon today. Went there. The line up had two set of girls. White dress 700 B and black dress 1000 B. Chose a horny teacher looking girl from the black lot and proceeded. Its my first time.
So couldn't rate it much with q.
Respect to a BJ bar.
But I felt she did a good job. Only drawback was she was pushing me hard for boom boom. And quoted 2 k for it. I laughed out and said next time. There was no other activity other than BJ. No kissing or removing the tops. I just touched her from outside.
Do the girls remove the tops in BJ bars for free access?
After the activity I paid and got out. Saw dr BJ nuru also. Didn't try. Now planning to hit out nightclubs and find a FL for the night.
Tomorrow I'm planning to take a soapy or oily. I'm just thinking. I need good PSE and sliding. If someone could suggest me a place to try and may be the timing to have the best collection. I'm thinking of trying Nataree or Annie's.
Kindly help me out.
Thank you.The massage threads have a ton of info but check out soi 24/26.
Tomorrow I'm planning to take a soapy or oily. I'm just thinking. I need good PSE and sliding. If someone could suggest me a place to try and may be the timing to have the best collection. I'm thinking of trying Nataree or Annie's.
Kindly help me out.
BKKdog's advice is sound, but I'll save you reading: go to Snow White on soi 26 or Mango on soi 24 -- both within 2 minutes of Phrompong BTS station -- and throw yourself at the mercy of the girls! (Nothing against Annie's or Nataree, BTW.) Have fun!
TTG.
P.S. You can also find decent company in the arcade near Villa Mart, less than a minute from your hotel! They will come back to your room for a massage.
A question for the local veterans. How does the Thai work world look on liaisons between colleagues in a company or office environment?I am not a local veteran but I think it is never good in any side of the world.
Then it happens more than expected and all is fine.
It depends on each one role within the company, at any latitude and longitude.
BKKdog's advice is sound, but I'll save you reading: go to Snow White on soi 26 or Mango on soi 24 -- both within 2 minutes of Phrompong BTS station -- and throw yourself at the mercy of the girls! (Nothing against Annie's or Nataree, BTW.) Have fun!
TTG.
P.S. You can also find decent company in the arcade near Villa Mart, less than a minute from your hotel! They will come back to your room for a massage.I totally agree.
Can you be more specific on the Arcade?
Thanks.
Robert Long
05-29-15, 22:35
A question for the local veterans. How does the Thai work world look on liaisons between colleagues in a company or office environment?Never Dip your Pen in Company Ink. She'll have you by the balls. Too many FL's and available ladies in Thailand.
RL.
generally the more money you throw at them the more contempt they have for you and at the end of the day they just want to get out of your space anyway they can.I've read this statement a lot on various boards, but I am not sure it's true. I first set foot in Thailand in 2004, and quickly experienced discrimination. I am not Indian, but look the part. Just recently when I told a Thai chick that I was not Indian, she replied that I must be American Indian, implying an Indian who lives in the US.
So, to circumvent anti-Indian discrimination, I resorted to money. Every time I showed a girl that I had money, I ended up picking her up. It worked close to 90% of the time. I have never experienced any contempt. I reconnected with some of these girls on future visits and I had a great time with them. Some of them are my friends on my hobby FB page.
Just an observation. A top earner at Rainbow told me that many lookers but buyers not as much as before. I doubted this but have noticed she may be right. Friday and Sat nights many many customers but few are paying barfines. Stages full of girls at 10:30 or so. This was unheard of before. Used to be as you approach 10 pm the quality on stage was dreadful-not now.
Maybe the market has spoken that the girls just aren't worth over $100 for a quickie. Lower price to 2 k and barfines should improve. BUT will they?
Remember the price goes to 3 k if you want to stick it in at your own hotel. Hahaha!
"Taken off the grid". That's what they want to believe. "You can take the girl out of the bar, but you cannot take the bar out of the girl".Gross generalisation. Indeed some do go off the grid and become very loyal, until they find out their man is not. LOL.
Bla bla bla. In Thai they say " bua". Happy mongering to all. I should have known better than to post this. I knew the price police would be out in full force.Yes indeed "Naa Beua" (boring), but you should know about the price police indeed. They cannot leave it alone. LOL It is amazing you get so many similar comments (and mine added to it) adding little extra value. Very boring.
I haven't been to Bangkok nightclubs in years, but I would like to try them again during my trip in August. I would like comments on CM2, Spasso's, Oskar's, Bed and other similar clubs. I'm an early-to-bed guy, so I would be looking during the hours 8-11 pm. I'm not the 1 am night owl type. I would appreciate some suggestions. I'm looking for attractive girls with a little class. I want to try some FL's-working girls or otherwise.
Canyon.
I totally agree.
Can you be more specific on the Arcade?
ThanksAmbassador Hotel, Soi 11 Sukhumvit?
IllusionHeart
05-31-15, 10:16
I haven't been to Bangkok nightclubs in years, but I would like to try them again during my trip in August. I would like comments on CM2, Spasso's, Oskar's, Bed and other similar clubs. I'm an early-to-bed guy, so I would be looking during the hours 8-11 pm. I'm not the 1 am night owl type. I would appreciate some suggestions. I'm looking for attractive girls with a little class. I want to try some FL's-working girls or otherwise.
Canyon.Canyon you can visit Bangkok beat, its in soi 7/1, not really a disc but decent music and crowd between 9 pm to 11 pm. The other option would be spasso. The nights clubs such as climax or insomnia actually start getting crowd after 12 or 1 am.
So, LC FC became (non financial-) contributor of reports!
"1 of 10", "minging", "s**t eye" and other derogative shoutouts in the footage, in what's described as a racist jibe in Bangkok.
Apparently in the news all over Thailand this morning. LC FC are part Thai owned and main sponsors include King Power Duty Free, the official Thai Tourist Board, Singha and AirAsia Thailand.
Clever 'them young brit footballers!
Wonder if it's best to mask my Queens English accent when I'm in bkk in a couple of weeks.
Canyon you can visit Bangkok beat, its in soi 7/1, not really a disc but decent music and crowd between 9 pm to 11 pm. The other option would be spasso. The nights clubs such as climax or insomnia actually start getting crowd after 12 or 1 am.Thank you, Illusion. I appreciate the recommendation.
Canyon.
Another question I have concerns free-lancers. In the past, I've had pretty good luck with them. Most of them are not very attractive, of course, but occasionally, I've had pretty good success. I know there's Thermae and the Biergarden, but sometimes I have found some good ones on the street. Has anyone had good luck in certain areas finding FL's that are reasonably attractive and fairly young?
Another question I have concerns free-lancers. In the past, I've had pretty good luck with them. Most of them are not very attractive, of course, but occasionally, I've had pretty good success. I know there's Thermae and the Biergarden, but sometimes I have found some good ones on the street. Has anyone had good luck in certain areas finding FL's that are reasonably attractive and fairly young?Try the Nana Hotel sidewalk and parking lot (NPL) which is directly across from the Nana Entertainment Plaza on Sukhumvit Soi 4. The best time to catch FL's which fit your criteria would be Thursday / Friday / Saturday nights beginning at dusk.
Please be aware that the later it gets in the evening the greater the chance of LB's entering the mix, although they generally seem to stay on NEP side of the street.
SL.
RE: Can you be more specific on the Arcade? There is an arcade between soi 11 and the Ambassador Hotel (I think you can continue on through the hotel parking lot to soi 13, but I haven't done that route in many years.).
Between the two entrances to Villa Mart there are probably 5 or 6 MPs with talent and looks of varying quality. Probably a decade ago, I banged a lady named "Apple" a couple of times and I wrote the field report in the Forum somewhere. Short version is, I was looking for a BJ and she stripped naked and almost forceably took me. So, I took her back to my room on a couple of later visits. Before you start asking for contact details, while she is still on soi 11, she has gained AT LEAST 15 kg.
Anyway, I have seen a couple of attractive women in that arcade over the last year or two, when shopping at Villa Mart, but I've always been otherwise occupied.
I hope this helps and I look forward to later reports. TTG.
Tony Hoeprano
06-01-15, 05:00
Just an observation. A top earner at Rainbow told me that many lookers but buyers not as much as before. I doubted this but have noticed she may be right. Friday and Sat nights many many customers but few are paying barfines. Stages full of girls at 10:30 or so. This was unheard of before. Used to be as you approach 10 pm the quality on stage was dreadful-not now.
Maybe the market has spoken that the girls just aren't worth over $100 for a quickie. Lower price to 2 k and barfines should improve. BUT will they?
Remember the price goes to 3 k if you want to stick it in at your own hotel. Hahaha!Thai logic they will raise the prices to make up for the lack of demand LOL. I can't justify paying 3 k for a lousy lay, especially when they tell me to hurry up and make me masturbate if I can't nut within 10 minutes. Thats like going to Jiffy Lube to get my oil changed and the mechanic comes into the waiting room and says hey asshole, come give me a hand putting your filter in, my neck is starting to hurt from working all day.
Another question I have concerns free-lancers. In the past, I've had pretty good luck with them. Most of them are not very attractive, of course, but occasionally, I've had pretty good success. I know there's Thermae and the Biergarden, but sometimes I have found some good ones on the street. Has anyone had good luck in certain areas finding FL's that are reasonably attractive and fairly young?The chance of finding a young cutie on the streets of lower suk are slim to none, with slim on the way out of town. I wouldn't say it's impossible, who knows, you might catch lightning in a bottle!
The other day I was shopping at T21 and thought I saw the comedian Russell Peters eating ice cream at Swensons. I stopped and did a double take, approached him and told him I was a big fan. He looked at me with shock and asked who is Russell? Oopsie!
Thai logic they will raise the prices to make up for the lack of demand LOL. I can't justify paying 3 k for a lousy lay, especially when they tell me to hurry up and make me masturbate if I can't nut within 10 minutes. Thats like going to Jiffy Lube to get my oil changed and the mechanic comes into the waiting room and says hey asshole, come give me a hand putting your filter in, my neck is starting to hurt from working all day.Amazing that dudes will settle for that service and still pay the gal the full fare. I don't take many FLs these days because I have had to call off to many sessions. When a gal won't kiss, won't allow DATY, or a finger, then I am out of there and she gets a hundred Baht for her time. I just won't pay for poor service; but lots of guys will and that is why it continues.
Honestly back when gals in GoGos were 1 k baht the service was far better. After 15 years in this country one thing is clear; if you are paying big bucks the worse it is going to be for the most part. That goes for gals, food, and almost everything else. Why? Expensive here does not mean good; it means more "face. ".
There are noted exceptions with many of the young hip entrepreneurs who actually have a passion for what they are doing. One example are the amazing coffee shops we have seen open in the last 24 months. Would love to see someone open a brothel where looks and service (full on PSE) were both top rate. I would have no problem paying 3 K up for 90 min with gals like that.
Just an observation. A top earner at Rainbow told me that many lookers but buyers not as much as before. I doubted this but have noticed she may be right. Friday and Sat nights many many customers but few are paying barfines. Stages full of girls at 10:30 or so. This was unheard of before. Used to be as you approach 10 pm the quality on stage was dreadful-not now.
Maybe the market has spoken that the girls just aren't worth over $100 for a quickie. Lower price to 2 k and barfines should improve. BUT will they?
Remember the price goes to 3 k if you want to stick it in at your own hotel. Hahaha!Probably Rainbow 4 is the worst example for this kind of bad attitude, last time I went there I paid a lady a drink and talked 2 min to hear that she wanted 5 k+BF+drinks etc. And when I had the audacity to try to negotiate reminding her it was a bit overpriced, then she got instantly pissed off and left straight away almost insulting me. Seriously, who wants to go back in such place when they treat you like shit? Cannot even imagine her attitude in bed if I had been stupid enough to pay what she asked.
Member #4591
06-02-15, 13:44
So decided not to go with the lady in the photos and instead ventured out into the night with no real plan. I decided to start the night at Nana Plaza. Ended up at Angel Witch for the good music and shows they put on on. After about 15 minutes spotted a young looking beauty with one of the largest pair of naturals I have seen in a while, with a very nice firm ass. Turns out she's from Loeit. Anyways had a nice chat over a few drinks and since it was my birthday I bought a round of shots for a few ladies and gave LD credit to the dancer sitting with me. A little more chit chat and decided to take the plunge and bar fine her. #52 drinks and bar fine 1,495 baht plus tip.
Wanted to eat and relax a bit so took this cute over to Above Eleven for cocktails and a bite to eat. Great atmosphere and good karma from the lady. 2,500 baht.
Next we wanted to unwind a bit so headed over to Climax to see all my good friends. I'm glad I had a lady with me since the choice of FL's was stranglely limited for 11:30. Took the bottle service and listened to the band. Met a few of the other ladies who brought their gents from Angelwitch over and had a great time drinking and doing shots. The staff treated me like gold. Escorting me to and from the restroom while the band played many of my favourites by request. 4,000 Baht bottle, mixers, snacks, and tips.
Time to take my lady home. Back at my place she showered and the action began. Great GFE in many positions! She left at 4:30.3,500 Baht.
Still being in the mood to party I texted a girl from Craigs list. She said come meet me at Insomnia. I said sure. Arrived just before 5:00. Called her many times but no answer. Saw a pretty young thing standing alone and asked if she wanted to come with me. " How much will you give me?" she asked. I told her 4,000. Her jaw dropped with amazement and off we went. Great early morning and afternoon fun. Multiple positions, 3 pops, and she left around 5:00 PM.
About 7:00 PM received a call from this girl I have been seeing, begging me to see her. I showered and headed over to her place. Quiet dinner inside and some great GFE action. Could it get any better than this? Next morning had some work to do so left with a promise to be back in the evening for dinner at Wine I love you at the CDC. After dinner back to her place for more GFE action. 2,500 Baht for dinner.
After a long night and day of constant action headed home to sleep and get ready for work the next day. Got a lmessage from a we chat cutie asking to come over. Agreed and before I knew it I was back at it again. Woke up this morning at 8, kiss good bye and off to work. 0 Baht.
Probably Rainbow 4 is the worst example for this kind of bad attitude, last time I went there I paid a lady a drink and talked 2 min to hear that she wanted 5 k+BF+drinks etc. And when I had the audacity to try to negotiate reminding her it was a bit overpriced, then she got instantly pissed off and left straight away almost insulting me. Seriously, who wants to go back in such place when they treat you like shit? Cannot even imagine her attitude in bed if I had been stupid enough to pay what she asked.5 k is a bargain if it was for long time. Hahaha. I hear the normal rate is 6 k.
Anyway it should be crimes against prostitutes to see what doctors do dis-figuring many a smallish Thai hooker. Hahahaha. Drs professional integrity should allow them to say cannot. You not a good candidate for boob job.
My jaw just dropped when a recently Rain. 4 enlarged girl went topless. God awful. Times infinity.
I still don't see how horrible plastic boobs added to a mediocre face tattooed body helps anyone but the doctor.
Probably Rainbow 4 is the worst example for this kind of bad attitude, last time I went there I paid a lady a drink and talked 2 min to hear that she wanted 5 k+BF+drinks etc. And when I had the audacity to try to negotiate reminding her it was a bit overpriced, then she got instantly pissed off and left straight away almost insulting me. Seriously, who wants to go back in such place when they treat you like shit? Cannot even imagine her attitude in bed if I had been stupid enough to pay what she asked.They have a bad attitude because the big spenders have paid too much before you got there. This is the end result of idiots leading with their wallet and paying well above market value, they spoil it for everyone putting the price up and giving the girls a bad attitude! The days of Thailand being a good monger destination are over ruined by two week millionaires. They feel for the first time in their lives they can have power over a woman by paying too much and their battered ego gets a little lift making them feel like an Alfa male. Now we know it's not just about the price going up its also about bad attitude that have turned good women.
They have a bad attitude because the big spenders have paid too much before you got there. This is the end result of idiots leading with their wallet and paying well above market value, they spoil it for everyone putting the price up and giving the girls a bad attitude! The days of Thailand being a good monger destination are over ruined by two week millionaires. They feel for the first time in their lives they can have power over a woman by paying too much and their battered ego gets a little lift making them feel like an Alfa male. Now we know it's not just about the price going up its also about bad attitude that have turned good women.Exactly. And hey, there are even some residents who do the same. But get ready for the folks who will chime in and talk about "the market" and "their money. " Yes, it has ruined it for all of us, including them. There is always some dude who is willing to spend "more" with no thought of the consequences to himself and everyone else.
I harken back to one of my first trips to Nom Penh in late '99. Had an acquaintance who lived there. Met up with him soon after arrival. The first thing he told me after we greeted one another was "This is what you pay the girls. Don't pay them more because you will ruin it for everyone. " And he was spot on. The expats in PP at the time were pretty much in agreement about this as well. Prices were very stable for quite a long time. Now prices are up and so are bad attitudes. Same holds true for BKK.
Again, this board is pretty split on this matter. Personally, I always keep in mind that there was someone before and someone after me. Overpaying, underpaying, and / or treating a gal badly will leave a mark. Negative marks that is. This will come back on the guy after you. And might fall on you depending on what the dude before you did.
5 k is a bargain if it was for long time. Hahaha. I hear the normal rate is 6 k.
Anyway it should be crimes against prostitutes to see what doctors do dis-figuring many a smallish Thai hooker. Hahahaha. Drs professional integrity should allow them to say cannot. You not a good candidate for boob job.
My jaw just dropped when a recently Rain. 4 enlarged girl went topless. God awful. Times infinity.
I still don't see how horrible plastic boobs added to a mediocre face tattooed body helps anyone but the doctor.I had the misfortune to be in R4 the other week for the first time in a couple of years. The number of plastic surgery disasters is staggering. The Drs who performed many of the boob jobs should lose their licenses.
Exactly. And hey, there are even some residents who do the same. But get ready for the folks who will chime in and talk about "the market" and "their money. " Yes, it has ruined it for all of us, including them. There is always some dude who is willing to spend "more" with no thought of the consequences to himself and everyone else.
Actually I think this whole issue of overpaying is bullshit. There will be short term spikes in prices, both in the wake of over-payers and in the wake of reduced prices when demand slackens. But the long term trend is changing upwards, not because of over payers but in real significant changes in the market, the demographics, life styles, information technology, differential local / tourist pricing.
Gone are the days when country girls were happy with $10 L / T; now they want $100 and bluntly good luck to them. The girls are savvy, they have their hands on straining penises and on fat wallets at the same time. Know as multi-tasking.
I know of no place in the developed world from whence the complaining punters come where they can get an overnight for less than $500.
I go on holiday for fun not to answer to moaners who complain if I pay $100 for a couple of hours of great sex. It is my money, my holiday and my fun. If the complainers want cheap sex let them pick up the scaggy 50 year olds.
Actually I think this whole issue of overpaying is bullshit. There will be short term spikes in prices, both in the wake of over-payers and in the wake of reduced prices when demand slackens. But the long term trend is changing upwards, not because of over payers but in real significant changes in the market, the demographics, life styles, information technology, differential local / tourist pricing.
Gone are the days when country girls were happy with $10 L / T; now they want $100 and bluntly good luck to them. The girls are savvy, they have their hands on straining penises and on fat wallets at the same time. Know as multi-tasking.
I know of no place in the developed world from whence the complaining punters come where they can get an overnight for less than $500.
I go on holiday for fun not to answer to moaners who complain if I pay $100 for a couple of hours of great sex. It is my money, my holiday and my fun. If the complainers want cheap sex let them pick up the scaggy 50 year olds.It's not bullshit, wherever overpaying has happened poor attitudes follow, it wasn't long ago you could ST a Nana girl for 1-1. 5 k, now the silly bint wants 3 k, and won't budge even though it's quiet, it's the silly Thai face, if they lower price as most sane hookers would when quiet they loose face, I can stay in Europe and pay 3 k ST, why fly 6000 miles? Bangkok got expensive a few years ago, thanks to the internet, which drew clueless 2 week millionaires, who in the home country are nobodies, but for 2 weeks can show what rock stars they are, this has replicated itself in Pattaya also, last week average beer bar girls wanted 2 k LT off my friend.
Actually I think this whole issue of overpaying is bullshit. There will be short term spikes in prices, both in the wake of over-payers and in the wake of reduced prices when demand slackens. But the long term trend is changing upwards, not because of over payers but in real significant changes in the market, the demographics, life styles, information technology, differential local / tourist pricing.
Gone are the days when country girls were happy with $10 L / T; now they want $100 and bluntly good luck to them. The girls are savvy, they have their hands on straining penises and on fat wallets at the same time. Know as multi-tasking.
I know of no place in the developed world from whence the complaining punters come where they can get an overnight for less than $500.
I go on holiday for fun not to answer to moaners who complain if I pay $100 for a couple of hours of great sex. It is my money, my holiday and my fun. If the complainers want cheap sex let them pick up the scaggy 50 year olds.The point is that you are in the developing world not the developed world. ST prices are cheaper in many EU countries and in many Latin American countries. And hey, take a gal for big money in the US and you will usually get performance in spades. Truthfully, there are fewer "fat wallets" around, and in the future there will be fewer Westerners with money here. There are already far less.
And yes, it does effect the girls attitudes. And I mentioned the issue is exactly what you stated, "my money, my holiday, and my fun. " Pretty soon it will be no fun. In some's opinions, it already is. As I said there was someone before you and there will always be someone after you. It may be your money and your holiday, but they are our gals. And by our I mean every monger who plays. Keep that in mind.
Yes, there is inflation and prices always trend up. But in most cases when prices trend up service stays the same or even improves. This has not been the case with P4 P in BKK. They are still gals from West Virginia, but with all their teeth.
I can stay in Europe and pay 3 k ST, why fly 6000 miles? Yep, and there are far fewer Europeans here because of it. The only population of mongers that is growing are Asians. And when the Chinese really hit the scene, which they will, it will be all over but the shouting. Western mongers will not want to be in bars filled with Chinese dudes. The one thing that might be a positive is that Chinese dudes are used to getting good service. Ever been to a Macau Sauna? The gals are skilled. Very skilled. Why? They are trained and the guys demand good service and good attitudes.
TesterTester
06-03-15, 12:07
Yep, and there are far fewer Europeans here because of it. The only population of mongers that is growing are Asians. And when the Chinese really hit the scene, which they will, it will be all over but the shouting. Western mongers will not want to be in bars filled with Chinese dudes. The one thing that might be a positive is that Chinese dudes are used to getting good service. Ever been to a Macau Sauna? The gals are skilled. Very skilled. Why? They are trained and the guys demand good service and good attitudes.I agree with Goatscrot. If the chinese come to BKK in large numbers, they will certainly push the prices up, and also push the demand for better service. They are generally not as polite or pliant as the Japanese customers. But I think Chinese may not come to BKK in droves because Thai ladies are readily available in Macau, and Chinese can monger all they want in the major cities of China at relatively affordable prices (comparable to BKK now).
Member #4698
06-03-15, 13:25
I can stay in Europe and pay 3 k ST, why fly 6000 miles? Bangkok got expensive a few years ago, thanks to the internet, which drew clueless 2 week millionaires, who in the home country are nobodies, but for 2 weeks can show what rock stars they are, this has replicated itself in Pattaya also, last week average beer bar girls wanted 2 k LT off my friend.If you can find quality girls in your home market for 3 k ST then I advise you to stay where you are. For some reason, perhaps just my personal taste, I don't believe this price point is real, not for quality anyway.
Now here in Asia, high prices are prevalent EVERYWHERE in the P4 P arena and so far the price increases have done nothing to affect aggregate demand. I firmly believe, however, that at some point higher prices in ASIA will begin to affect aggregate demand. When that happens the market price will drop like a ton of bricks. I can't wait, but until that day of market reckoning, I am going to continue to visit my favorite Asian watering holes because 1) I like Asian girls, 2) for some reason I am still getting damn good service, and 3) I can still afford it. I am never going to go to Africa no matter how cheap it is there and it is not that cheap, BTW. I just don't find sub Saharan girls attractive. I have traveled around SA extensively in its hey day (the 80'sand 90's) and don't feel like returning there. I don't like the vibe and guess what ? Quality poontang is expensive in SA too. Lastly, American and European girls suck IMHO. There is something in the water here that ruins the girls in the West. Even Asian girls who live in the West a short time, change. To get anywhere near the quality service I am used to in Asia, I would have to spend a $1000 or more which is above my max price point.
So Asia is my last stand and the bad news is high quality Asian girls (7* and above) in Jakarta, Makati, Macau, Singapore, Hong Kong are getting $200/ session and more depending on the venue. Even in Phnom Penh, FL's at Darling Darling are getting $100ST which was an unheard of price just a few years ago. And Darling Darling is packed, standing room only every night, with mostly Asian customers clearly illustrating that high prices have not adversely affected demand. Then in our beloved BKK; the all in price for Go Go girls (BF + tip+ drinks) is well north of $100. The price for oily massage girls is averaging 2300 bt. And get this: I dropped by La Belle a few times during my trip and I was shocked by the low numbers of girls available in my favorite soapy at any price. I even walked out one time because the selection was so meager. Another time I selected the hottest girl, a sideliner, in the joint. Her price 6000 was bt. The highest price I ever paid in BKK. Service was good although she would not let me take any pictures. WTF! She said that next time camera time would be on the menu. Ha Ha.
So as prices continue to rise across the board, I am waiting for aggregate demand to drop, but it has not so far. In 5 years I expect prices will be significantly higher than they are now. I hope I am wrong. Let's wait and see. This is a very interesting Economic phenomenon.
That the good times are past and that the odd punter who reports paying a large sum for a basic S / T experience has absolutely no effect on the overall market. Thus we may bemoan his expenditure and say that he could have paid less. Yes, probably ten years ago he would.
Remember too that the the average Westerner coming to Thailand has a higher disposable income that he would have had ten years ago and he is content to pay market prices for a two week holiday.
Two girls a day for ten days at $50 over the supposed "correct" price is only $1,000 on a trip that is probably costing him nearly $10,000 seems of no consequence.
I appreciate, having first visited Thailand more years ago than I like to admit, that prices have changed (but then I earned probably 5 percent of what I earn now). The only people rising prices have hit are the long term residents of LOS on fixed incomes. Tough but you had some very cheap pussy for a long time!
There is an arcade between soi 11 and the Ambassador Hotel (I think you can continue on through the hotel parking lot to soi 13, but I haven't done that route in many years.).
Between the two entrances to Villa Mart there are probably 5 or 6 MPs with talent and looks of varying quality. Probably a decade ago, I banged a lady named "Apple" a couple of times and I wrote the field report in the Forum somewhere. Short version is, I was looking for a BJ and she stripped naked and almost forceably took me. So, I took her back to my room on a couple of later visits. Before you start asking for contact details, while she is still on soi 11, she has gained AT LEAST 15 kg.
Anyway, I have seen a couple of attractive women in that arcade over the last year or two, when shopping at Villa Mart, but I've always been otherwise occupied.
I hope this helps and I look forward to later reports. TTG.Thank you. I will be back with reports soon.
Hi all,
Great reading the debate about price increases. Also had a similar experience at R4 where bargirl was rude when I didn't want to take her out (not because of price, but because I was still shopping). So I simply refuse to go back now.
Might be a dumb question, but are there any places in BKK where they have live sex shows? It can be girl-girl, guy-girl, etc. I'm aware of the ones that are being promoted by the guys on the streets, but was wondering if there was something else out there. If so, where can I find them?
Thanks!
If you can find quality girls in your home market for 3 k ST then I advise you to stay where you are. For some reason, perhaps just my personal taste, I don't believe this price point is real, not for quality anyway.
Now here in Asia, high prices are prevalent EVERYWHERE in the P4 P arena and so far the price increases have done nothing to affect aggregate demand. I firmly believe, however, that at some point higher prices in ASIA will begin to affect aggregate demand. When that happens the market price will drop like a ton of bricks. I can't wait, but until that day of market reckoning, I am going to continue to visit my favorite Asian watering holes because 1) I like Asian girls, 2) for some reason I am still getting damn good service, and 3) I can still afford it. I am never going to go to Africa no matter how cheap it is there and it is not that cheap, BTW. I just don't find sub Saharan girls attractive. I have traveled around SA extensively in its hey day (the 80'sand 90's) and don't feel like returning there. I don't like the vibe and guess what ? Quality poontang is expensive in SA too. Lastly, American and European girls suck IMHO. There is something in the water here that ruins the girls in the West. Even Asian girls who live in the West a short time, change. To get anywhere near the quality service I am used to in Asia, I would have to spend a $1000 or more which is above my max price point.
So Asia is my last stand and the bad news is high quality Asian girls (7* and above) in Jakarta, Makati, Macau, Singapore, Hong Kong are getting $200/ session and more depending on the venue. Even in Phnom Penh, FL's at Darling Darling are getting $100ST which was an unheard of price just a few years ago. And Darling Darling is packed, standing room only every night, with mostly Asian customers clearly illustrating that high prices have not adversely affected demand. Then in our beloved BKK; the all in price for Go Go girls (BF + tip+ drinks) is well north of $100. The price for oily massage girls is averaging 2300 bt. And get this: I dropped by La Belle a few times during my trip and I was shocked by the low numbers of girls available in my favorite soapy at any price. I even walked out one time because the selection was so meager. Another time I selected the hottest girl, a sideliner, in the joint. Her price 6000 was bt. The highest price I ever paid in BKK. Service was good although she would not let me take any pictures. WTF! She said that next time camera time would be on the menu. Ha Ha.
So as prices continue to rise across the board, I am waiting for aggregate demand to drop, but it has not so far. In 5 years I expect prices will be significantly higher than they are now. I hope I am wrong. Let's wait and see. This is a very interesting Economic phenomenon.Actually we have seen a huge drop in Western dudes coming to BKK. But those numbers might "made up" soon with more and more Asian dudes. Most GoGo are dead and the oily gals I know are complaining about it being very slow. Maybe the soapies are busy, but I could not comment as I do not patronize them. So personally I would not say demand is up or even the same as it was 10 years ago. I do think that there are fewer gals going into the "biz" so what we might be seeing in BKK is a wash.
The Asian dudes for the most part don't seem to be bothered as much by price. Even in the oilies the gals see most of the Asian guys as less demanding. They are more likely to take a passive role and enjoy being "serviced. " They will let the lady take the lead. We prefer PSE and GFE style service.
Interesting you speak of Macau. The saunas in Macau are expensive, but you get a great looking gal who is trained to provide excellent service. Something I certainly don't mind paying top dollar for. My gripe is that in most cases in BKK you are paying far more than you did for less. Price wise soapies and oilies have been consistent. It has been 2300 Baht for two hours since the days of Baron's back in '04. Soapies are a bit more but not much. GoGo and FL prices are the ones that have changes radically.
Actually we have seen a huge drop in Western dudes coming to BKK. But those numbers might "made up" soon with more and more Asian dudes. Most GoGo are dead and the oily gals I know are complaining about it being very slow. Maybe the soapies are busy, but I could not comment as I do not patronize them. So personally I would not say demand is up or even the same as it was 10 years ago. I do think that there are fewer gals going into the "biz" so what we might be seeing in BKK is a wash.
The Asian dudes for the most part don't seem to be bothered as much by price. Even in the oilies the gals see most of the Asian guys as less demanding. They are more likely to take a passive role and enjoy being "serviced. " They will let the lady take the lead. We prefer PSE and GFE style service.
Interesting you speak of Macau. The saunas in Macau are expensive, but you get a great looking gal who is trained to provide excellent service. Something I certainly don't mind paying top dollar for. My gripe is that in most cases in BKK you are paying far more than you did for less. Price wise soapies and oilies have been consistent. It has been 2300 Baht for two hours since the days of Baron's back in '04. Soapies are a bit more but not much. GoGo and FL prices are the ones that have changes radically.I agree with every word of yours. The business in soapies has suffered a huge drop, I saw it first hand recently. The looks and even the service quality is rock bottom now a days. It is true that one does not get cheap Pussy in western countries at this price but factor in the air fare, the lost holidays, the hotels, food and other expenses: it ain't cheap or even attractive any more.
This comment should win ISG line of the year!
Thats like going to Jiffy Lube to get my oil changed and the mechanic comes into the waiting room and says hey asshole, come give me a hand putting your filter in, my neck is starting to hurt from working all day.
So Asia is my last stand and the bad news is high quality Asian girls (7* and above) in Jakarta, Makati, Macau, Singapore, Hong Kong are getting $200/ session and more depending on the venue. I would say you can still find amazing gals for less money in Jakarta. Mainly because there are very few tourists there. An addendum to this is gals below 7 in Bangkok are wanting big bucks.
Having a suit made and getting some medical services done in Bangkok. But as long as I am here might as well have some fun.
First night hit the streets about 1:00 am and spotted a cute massage girl on the other side of the street while walking on Soi Sukhumvit 11. She was 21 and had a bangs cut that made her look adorable. It was 500 to the house to take her away. We got along fine but I was a bit worried when we got in the room she would be hiding some baby damage under her clothes, never asked her but I just wasn't expecting much. She had a cute face but it was hard to tell what her body was like. She was playful on the walk back to the Dream Hotel which was good and we talked about her staying long time which she said she could do but then the shop would need another 500 baht. I told her lets just keep it short time and then see later. Damn was I happily surprised when she took of her clothes, she said she had small breasts, so I figured she was wearing a push up bra, but she was verging on see's. Plus she just had an overall dynamite body. Plump ass, thick thighs, small waist, just my type. Kind of a let down in the sex dept. Because she did not like to kiss or smoke without a cover. But still great being with such a cute girl. Stuck to short time though because of her inhibitions. Paid her 1000 baht before she left. Not too bad for 1500 bht in Bangkok.
Next night I hit up Thermae which was filled with girls. This was at a little after 10 pm. A few lookers but I nothing I had to have. On the way out a cute white skin girl named Tang stopped me. She has a bit of Acne and a mole or birthmark on her chin. I know that doesn't make her sound cute but she was. If anyone has been with her and would recommend her I might hit her up another night. She said that she is from Chiang Mai if that helps anyone recognize her from the description above.
Got to Nana Car Park and a super cute girl was standing there. Very small features, tiny 20 year old girl. Best looking girl I had seen all night. Talked with her and she wanted to go short time for 1500 baht so off we went. Her friend stepped into the negotiations and was very adamant about her only staying an hour. Her English was about as good as my Thai which is not great. Nice girl, BBJCIM and small tight Hoy. Playful, cute, fun to be with and spent almost 2 hours with me. Wouldn't stay long time with me tonight though. Said she was leaving for Buriram early in the morning and would be back Monday and would stay with me then. Gave her an extra 100 baht. Going to try and touch base with her Monday but it was difficult to tell if she meant for me to text her at 1 am Monday morning, 1 pm Monday afternoon, or 1 am Tuesday morning. Gave a up trying to figure that out and walked her downstairs. By the way the car park had a lot of girls at about 11:30 pm. Another girl who looked 18-20 was standing next to the girl I chose was probably equally cute. I haven't been to Bangkok in a while but I remember it not being a great place except for a brief period around 2 am when the gogos let out.
By the way I like the Dream hotel so far. The breakfast buffet included with my room is also excellent.
Remember too that the the average Westerner coming to Thailand has a higher disposable income that he would have had ten years ago and he is content to pay market prices for a two week holiday.
I hadn't heard of disposable incomes rising much for decades in the West, Scorchin - at least for the 'average' Westerner (and I don't think its the super-rich who make up the clientele of Pattaya and Bangkok P4P)..
I hadn't heard of disposable incomes rising much for decades in the West, Scorchin - at least for the 'average' Westerner (and I don't think its the super-rich who make up the clientele of Pattaya and Bangkok P4P)..Spot on. That is why you are seeing fewer and fewer Westerners in BKK and Patters. Most folks have far less disposable income than they did pre-08 crash.
I hadn't heard of disposable incomes rising much for decades in the West, Scorchin - at least for the 'average' Westerner (and I don't think its the super-rich who make up the clientele of Pattaya and Bangkok P4P)..Absolutely right. Outsourcing Greed and weak political direction had ruined and shrunk the middle class terribly in the west while increasing the same in Asia.
Spot on. That is why you are seeing fewer and fewer Westerners in BKK and Patters. Most folks have far less disposable income than they did pre-08 crash.IMHO I think at least some Americans have more after letting their house go or the ones that sold their house have more disposable income or cash. I think the red shirt yellow shirt and military coup has more to do with fewer Westerners here. Heck if it wasn't for vitamin V there would be a lot less.
IMHO I think at least some Americans have more after letting their house go or the ones that sold their house have more disposable income or cash. I think the red shirt yellow shirt and military coup has more to do with fewer Westerners here. Heck if it wasn't for vitamin V there would be a lot less.I tend to agree it has more to do with local conditions in Thailand, including in the P4P arena, than it does to income among westerners. Living here in the States I don't see much particular financial distress among the middle class and upper middle class relative to ten years ago. Sure you will find some who aren't doing well, and others who are, but that has always been the case. OTOH, certain media outlets find it in their best interests to convince everyone we are financially miserable and that does affect general perceptions.
It is more akin to what happened in Brazil. I had all sorts of friends who used to travel there regularly, but as the pricing got out-of-hand most stopped going even those with money. In Thailand it is not just the pricing but rather the bang for the buck that has really gone downhill. For myself I see little merit in paying much of anything for the average level of service one now gets in the go-gos. It's not that it costs much more than before (although it sort of does) but you get poorer service than before. And other than the oilies, which are bargains but seem to be getting increasingly sporadic as to quality, there are not many good options left.
Add to that the political problems, and even the knowledge that if by chance one arrives in Thailand when the King dies most everything will come to a screeching halt, the lure of Thailand has suffered. Moreover, for those in Europe, it is no longer the case that options in Thailand are so much greater or cheaper than in places like Germany, particularly given GFE is getting more difficult to find in Thailand.
My 2 cents with the caveat I for one will continue visiting Thailand regularly, not only for the P4P but also because I like Bangkok generally.
Wolvenvacht
06-05-15, 07:16
Might be a dumb question, but are there any places in BKK where they have live sex shows? It can be girl-girl, guy-girl, etc. I'm aware of the ones that are being promoted by the guys on the streets, but was wondering if there was something else out there. If so, where can I find them?
Thanks!Last time I was there, Suzi Wong in Soi Cowboy still had a lesbian act in their show. But don't expect anything "heavy": it was pretty but rather "soft" and I'm not even sure those girls are real lesbians.
Spot on. That is why you are seeing fewer and fewer Westerners in BKK and Patters. Most folks have far less disposable income than they did pre-08 crash.Disposable incomes in the developed world among those likely to travel have not fallen but have not grown as fasti in recent years. Put crudely, people are not get better off as fast as they used to.
We can all speculate whether there is more disposable income or not. Some have more and some have less. What you haven't accounted for is a guy like me that lost half my of net worth and 3/4 of my disposable income and said what the fuck! Let's use some of what I have left to monger with. Now I have only been at it in Thailand and Philippines the past 2 years but I will tell you that I have made up for 15 years worth if you count a visit per year and I am not overpaying either.
Imo it is very hard to say if lower disposable income has much effect. In my case I have less income but budgeted more for this.
If you can find quality girls in your home market for 3 k ST then I advise you to stay where you are. For some reason, perhaps just my personal taste, I don't believe this price point is real, not for quality anyway.
So as prices continue to rise across the board, I am waiting for aggregate demand to drop, but it has not so far. In 5 years I expect prices will be significantly higher than they are now. I hope I am wrong. Let's wait and see. This is a very interesting Economic phenomenon.Natty, amidst the endless plethora of articles about price and quality, yours is the best analysis I have read.
At the risk of sounding embarrassingly sycophantic, the quality of your stuff is always good, and very helpful. Not just girl-related, but eg food (I had a great meal at the MK in Ekkamai because you had written about it). I love reading the travelogues.
Wolvenvacht
06-05-15, 18:38
Police arrests streetwalkers: http://www.stickboybangkok.com/news/over-100-street-prostitutes-arrested-in-bangkok/.
Member #4698
06-05-15, 20:06
I would say you can still find amazing gals for less money in Jakarta. Mainly because there are very few tourists there. I am sure you can, but it is getting harder and harder because Jakarta prices keep rising. I have only been to Jakarta 2 times so far and I am very impressed with the girls I met here. I plan to up the ante and stay for 2 weeks on my next Asian trip. So far on my two previous trips I have been slowly working my way down the food chain eg starting out at the top bordellos and bars like Alexis, Malioboro, and CJ's. The girls have been amazing, both in terms of their looks and sexual appetites, but they are very expensive, between $100 and $190 for ST and / or LT depending on the venue and the girl. Eventually I plan to tear myself away from the high priced places and check out the middle tier places. I think it will become harder to find the right girl at these venues. I hope I am wrong.
I think that you are right, however, that Jakarta girls seem less jaded and are more enthusiastic than BKK girls. The reason might very well be because they are exposed to less tourists. But there is a reason less tourists come to Jakarta. Take away the girls and the city does not have that much to offer the average tourist. It pales in comparison to BKK on the tourist scale. Personally I find Jakarta fairly friendly and interesting and the food is good, but there is no way I would consider living here for an extended period of time even though I am sure I could find very good modern accommodations at a reasonable price. Two weeks at a time is about all I could take of this huge megalopolis.
I know you are getting jaded with BKK, but I don't think there is any other city in Asia that hits all high notes like BKK does. BKK is the only city where I would seriously think about setting up base camp and renting a condo long term. Singapore is too expensive and too quiet. Jakarta, as I said above, is too big and at the same time it lacks enough diversions to keep me from becoming very bored and losing my mind. Manila, forgetaboutit, it is too poor, too dangerous, and too un-cultural (boring) aside from the girls. Macau is too expensive and again there are not enough diversions thus it would be very boring in the long term. What's left: Pattaya? I would go nuts there. It is a tourist town without a quality beach. Phnom Penh? Possibly, I would have to give Phnom a 6 month trial to see if it is a feasible city for me. It has some attributes I like, mainly that it is not modern high rise BKK and yet Phnom possesses an interesting culture and vibe. But BKK, no matter how much better it was 15 to 20 years ago, remains the #1 place to reside long term unless one has a live in Asian girlfriend and you are willing to do without most of the extracurricular activities (massage parlors and GoGo's) BKK has. With a live in GF, southern Thailand immediately becomes viable. Phuket and Ko Samui are obvious choices because they still offer up some P4 P diversion on the side. The smaller islands like Ko Lipe are the nicest, but they have next to zero extracurriculars. I will probably end up down there somewhere in the blue Andaman Sea after I hang up my gun belt and retire from punting. But I will in my 80's when that happens.
Interesting you speak of Macau. The saunas in Macau are expensive, but you get a great looking gal who is trained to provide excellent service. Something I certainly don't mind paying top dollar for. My gripe is that in most cases in BKK you are paying far more than you did for less. Price wise soapies and oilies have been consistent. It has been 2300 Baht for two hours since the days of Baron's back in '04. Soapies are a bit more but not much. GoGo and FL prices are the ones that have changes radically.Macau prices are really high. Really high. A beautiful Chinese Sauna girl (model category) will run you $200 to $285 US dollars. No, I take that back. Rio and East Spa have invented a new category: the "Japanese" girl. They really aren't Japanese, only part Japanese, mixed race, born and raised in China, but they wear Kimonos, LOL, and THEY ARE HOT! Their price is 3500 mop or $430 US dollars. I kid you not. That is tooooooooooo high for me even though on two separate occasions the "Japanese" girls that I saw in the lineup (showtime) were spectacular. And I don't use the word "spectacular very often to describe Asian working girls (9* IMHO). One time in Rio Spa, I saw an Asian customer select one of the "Japanese" girls. Lucky bastard! Ha Ha. He must have won some money in the casino and decided to treat himself to something special or his rich uncle just died and left him a fortune.
Anyway, Sauna sessions are usually very very good with whomever I choose; regular girl or model girl. The closest venue to this in BKK are the Soapies. Going back in my recollection 3 or 4 years, the sessions I had in Macau were usually just a little more memorable and outstanding than my BKK Soapie sessions. But in 2014, I had two girls in La Belle whom I enjoyed more. So La Belle and BKK won my 2014 gold medal. Then in spring 2015, Macau took back the gold. My two back to back sessions with Ting, a Chinese model in Rio Spa were amazing and in my top 3 of the year. They had better be. The Ting sessions cost me $285 each. But Rio did throw in free fresh watermelon juice and wonton chicken soup. A neck massage and pedicure was extra.
But getting back to my original train of thought; as much as I like the sexy Chinese sauna girls in Macau and amorous Indonesian girls in Jakarta, there is no way I would consider living in either city full time. All there is in these two towns is shagging and eating. The shagging and good eats are necessary for me, but not alone sufficient to make me want to rent a condo and spend a year there. 5 nights per year in Macau, two weeks at a stretch in Jakarta is enough for me. So that still leaves BKK as the best all around city in Asia to live in full time. I know you have had it rough living here all these years, but it is what it is.
If you can find quality girls in your home market for 3 k ST then I advise you to stay where you are. For some reason, perhaps just my personal taste, I don't believe this price point is real, not for quality anyway.
Its been years since I lived in the States, but I very often got good looking young girls - 18-25 - for a hundred dollars short time. What made it a bit worse was that one risked getting caught by the police, not the quality or the price. In addition, I always found American girls far, far better in bed than Thai girls, both about oral skills and simply 'enjoying' the intercourse. The main thing that made Thailand better was the price, the 'legality' of the hobby, and the fact that the girls used to be slimmer on average. Nowadays I'm afraid the price advantage is gone, and the slimness advantage is being chipped away as well (mostly by the somewhat reduced prevalence of the recreational drugs which motivated the best girls, and kept them looking good).
So that still leaves BKK as the best all around city in Asia to live in full time. I know you have had it rough living here all these years, but it is what it is.I would not argue with you there. I would never live in Jakarta or Macau. Nom P, loved it 15 years ago, now not so much. BKK is still the best food city on the planet and that is a huge draw. What would drive me away now? Really has nothing to do with the P4P scene. It is the crowds and the weather. BKK feels far more crowded than it did when I moved here. The traffic is awful, even when riding my motorbike. More than that though it is the heat. I am a weird one. I like the cold and dislike the heat. Even though I am from a hot place, TX, I have always been hot natured and am more comfortable at 6 C than I am 35 C. As I get older my that intolerance to heat just increases. The humidity is not so nice either. Northern Thailand will be an option at some point although CNX is traffic laden as well.
Personally I don't think the performance of Thai gals was ever in the league with most of the gals I have had in Jakarta or Batam for that matter. Great post by the way!
Its been years since I lived in the States, but I very often got good looking young girls - 18-25 - for a hundred dollars short time. What made it a bit worse was that one risked getting caught by the police, not the quality or the price. In addition, I always found American girls far, far better in bed than Thai girls, both about oral skills and simply 'enjoying' the intercourse. The main thing that made Thailand better was the price, the 'legality' of the hobby, and the fact that the girls used to be slimmer on average. Nowadays I'm afraid the price advantage is gone, and the slimness advantage is being chipped away as well (mostly by the somewhat reduced prevalence of the recreational drugs which motivated the best girls, and kept them looking good).We are on the same page. For me Thailand was about ease of availability, looks, volume, and price. Most gals in the US were far better than the ones I have had in Thailand. There are some gems, but they are few and far between. Most of those gems I have found in the oilies and with FLs they have been gals 30+.
We are on the same page. For me Thailand was about ease of availability, looks, volume, and price. Most gals in the US were far better than the ones I have had in Thailand. There are some gems, but they are few and far between. Most of those gems I have found in the oilies and with FLs they have been gals 30+.Yes I agree as well, I have been in Thailand for fifteen years and have had few that were good at sex. Great eye candy but not good in bed compared to women in OZ and New Zealand. I also feel that sex is a mind game between two people and the game starts very early on in the evening when you first meet up for say, dinner. Here in Thailand there is no mental build up its just physical. I miss the mind sex.
Its been years since I lived in the States, but I very often got good looking young girls - 18-25 - for a hundred dollars short time. What made it a bit worse was that one risked getting caught by the police, not the quality or the price.Yes; the underground effect caused by illegality carries a lot higher risk of negative consequences including; poor service, outright scams, outing, and arrest. I suppose there is a hint of thrill factor in there somewhere for some.
I have a married buddy who is a backpage website regular. He aims for $60 to $80 SS (short stay) 20 minute quick and dirty hookups which involve a quick BJ followed by quick boom-boom. Sounds like the ladies are in their mid 20's to late 30's, near average looks, and on the heavier side. He repeats with the better one's and that provides him some small familiarity advantages. Nothing in that scenario appeals to me but too each their own.
I also agree with you that the LOS P4 P advantages are narrowing on most fronts, but are still quite a bit better than most home markets.
SunLover.
Yes I agree as well, I have been in Thailand for fifteen years and have had few that were good at sex. Great eye candy but not good in bed compared to women in OZ and New Zealand. I also feel that sex is a mind game between two people and the game starts very early on in the evening when you first meet up for say, dinner. Here in Thailand there is no mental build up its just physical. I miss the mind sex.Sadly there is just very little psychological interplay with most of the gals here. I have found more with Indo gals. Only thing I can think if is they are from a monotheistic culture with a very black and white view to things. Sex outside of marriage is "dirty" therefore far more fun.
Paul Kausch
06-06-15, 18:02
Sadly there is just very little psychological interplay with most of the gals here. I have found more with Indo gals. Only thing I can think if is they are from a monotheistic culture with a very black and white view to things. Sex outside of marriage is "dirty" therefore far more fun.I don't think this is the reason.
As I've reported in other posts, starting about 12 years ago I spent the better part of four years living in Semarang and made numerous business with a little pleasure trips to Jakarta. I had a good bit of experience with young ladies in Jakarta, more with ladies in Semarang before eventually settled down with one young lady. My remarks are primarily about young ladies I got to know in Semarang. To a lesser extent they also apply to Jakarta. I say that because the ladies in Jakarta had far more contact with foreign men and were not as "unspoiled" as the young ladies in Semarang.
I found the Indonesians to the kindest and friendliest people I have ever met, even more so than the Thais. Many people I knew in Semarang who were from other countries in Southeast Asia shared my opinion. I met large numbers of young Javanese ladies who had left their villages for Semarang, seeking work and life in a large city. Many spoke at least some English and were intrigued with the thought of having sexual experiences with Caucasian men, who were few and far between and generally businessmen like myself. DFK, BJs and DATY were not part of their sexual repertoire, but they certainly knew how to fuck and enjoyed it immensely. They viewed sex as a pleasure that should be enjoyed, felt no guilt about having sex with a man they were not married to and didn't strongly associate sex with conception. This is because for some time the Indonesian government had aggressively promoted birth control and family planning. It was even openly discussed and promoted on television. "Only one child" was a phrase I heard repeatedly from the young Javanese ladies I knew.
Indonesia is an Islamic country, with Hindu, Buddhist and Christian minorities. If you ask Javanese about their religious beliefs they describe themselves as Muslims. I was an owner of a factory that employed a large number of people, mostly young women. I was required to provide a room for prayer. At most 5% of my employees answered the call to prayer, which was consistent with what I observed within the general population. When I had conversation with Javanese about their spiritual beliefs it was clear they had an animistic view of the world that predated their exposure to Christianity, Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism. They were definitely not monotheists. They believed in a world filled with a host of spirits inhabiting rocks, plants, trees, and even occupying builds. For example, there was a large fascinating looking colonial era building in central Semarang that had been empty for decades. Everyone believed, for reasons never clearly explained to me, it was filled with evil spirits. Looks of horror would come across the faces of my Javanese friends when I suggested I would like to look inside of it, pointing out that it would be very easy to break into the building. A world filled with spirits, good and evil, was at the very core of their belief system.
So why were the young the young Javanese ladies I knew such good sexual partners? I think it was simply because they had no sexual hangups. Sex was a pleasure that was to be enjoyed. And once they got to know me I found the young ladies were open to trying new sexual experiences. We'd start with DFK and then progress to BBBJ and DATY. Once they discovered how pleasurable these were they became eager participants.
Robert Long
06-06-15, 18:32
But getting back to my original train of thought; as much as I like the sexy Chinese sauna girls in Macau and amorous Indonesian girls in Jakarta, there is no way I would consider living in either city full time. All there is in these two towns is shagging and eating. The shagging and good eats are necessary for me, but not alone sufficient to make me want to rent a condo and spend a year there. 5 nights per year in Macau, two weeks at a stretch in Jakarta is enough for me. So that still leaves BKK as the best all around city in Asia to live in full time. I know you have had it rough living here all these years, but it is what it is. Snip.
What about Seoul, HCMC, Bali, Yangon, Colombo? There are so many possibilities out there. I live in Hawaii, the worlds best weather and cleanest environment. But there are real drawbacks. The cost of living is insane. I would think the same as Singapore. A small old house in Hawaii starts around $750,000.
But I have come to the same conclusion that South Thailand is the one of the best choices. I agree with you on all fronts. The availability of activity, food, culture and access to all areas in SEA is right here in South Thai without the stress of living in BKK. The people are friendly and always happy. Also must mention the medical excellence in Thailand. This is of concern as we age. I am only 68 so no worry for awhile.
Keep up the great writing your reports and you input are well received.
Aloha.
RL.
Yes I agree as well, I have been in Thailand for fifteen years and have had few that were good at sex. Great eye candy but not good in bed compared to women in OZ and New Zealand. I also feel that sex is a mind game between two people and the game starts very early on in the evening when you first meet up for say, dinner. Here in Thailand there is no mental build up its just physical. I miss the mind sex.
Heh heh, need one with a mind for that. Good luck finding it here.
But no, I kid, I think they have minds, its just that they're not interested in us or in anything outside of their narrow little world here - and that's as true of the 'prime minister' as the working girl.
I don't think this is the reason.
As I've reported in other posts, starting about 12 years ago I spent the better part of four years living in Semarang and made numerous business with a little pleasure trips to Jakarta. I had a good bit of experience with young ladies in Jakarta, more with ladies in Semarang before eventually settled down with one young lady. My remarks are primarily about young ladies I got to know in Semarang. To a lesser extent they also apply to Jakarta. I say that because the ladies in Jakarta had far more contact with foreign men and were not as "unspoiled" as the young ladies in Semarang.
I found the Indonesians to the kindest and friendliest people I have ever met, even more so than the Thais. Many people I knew in Semarang who were from other countries in Southeast Asia shared my opinion. I met large numbers of young Javanese ladies who had left their villages for Semarang, seeking work and life in a large city. Many spoke at least some English and were intrigued with the thought of having sexual experiences with Caucasian men, who were few and far between and generally businessmen like myself. DFK, BJs and DATY were not part of their sexual repertoire, but they certainly knew how to fuck and enjoyed it immensely. They viewed sex as a pleasure that should be enjoyed, felt no guilt about having sex with a man they were not married to and didn't strongly associate sex with conception. This is because for some time the Indonesian government had aggressively promoted birth control and family planning. It was even openly discussed and promoted on television. "Only one child" was a phrase I heard repeatedly from the young Javanese ladies I knew.
Indonesia is an Islamic country, with Hindu, Buddhist and Christian minorities. If you ask Javanese about their religious beliefs they describe themselves as Muslims. I was an owner of a factory that employed a large number of people, mostly young women. I was required to provide a room for prayer. At most 5% of my employees answered the call to prayer, which was consistent with what I observed within the general population. When I had conversation with Javanese about their spiritual beliefs it was clear they had an animistic view of the world that predated their exposure to Christianity, Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism. They were definitely not monotheists. They believed in a world filled with a host of spirits inhabiting rocks, plants, trees, and even occupying builds. For example, there was a large fascinating looking colonial era building in central Semarang that had been empty for decades. Everyone believed, for reasons never clearly explained to me, it was filled with evil spirits. Looks of horror would come across the faces of my Javanese friends when I suggested I would like to look inside of it, pointing out that it would be very easy to break into the building. A world filled with spirits, good and evil, was at the very core of their belief system.
So why were the young the young Javanese ladies I knew such good sexual partners? I think it was simply because they had no sexual hangups. Sex was a pleasure that was to be enjoyed. And once they got to know me I found the young ladies were open to trying new sexual experiences. We'd start with DFK and then progress to BBBJ and DATY. Once they discovered how pleasurable these were they became eager participants.Interesting analysis Paul. I have found Indonesians a "breed apart" as well. Always enjoyed the company there. Too bad it is just not a place that I would want to live.
Truthfully I have not found that many Thais with sexual hangups and it seems to me that most do really enjoy that act as well. What I was speaking to specifically is the deep psychological interplay that you have with some Western girls, where they love to get inside your head sexually and twist at your most prurient thoughts and desires. I have yet to have a Thai gal "get" this. On the other hand, Indonesians seem to, as do many Viets and Chinese. I think it has to do a lot with Thais not being a very introspective people. On the one hand it makes Thai women easier to live with because they are not always trying to "find themselves. " But on the other hand it makes certain aspects of a relationship nigh on impossible.
Paul Kausch
06-07-15, 02:31
Interesting analysis Paul. I have found Indonesians a "breed apart" as well. Always enjoyed the company there. Too bad it is just not a place that I would want to live.
Truthfully I have not found that many Thais with sexual hangups and it seems to me that most do really enjoy that act as well. What I was speaking to specifically is the deep psychological interplay that you have with some Western girls, where they love to get inside your head sexually and twist at your most prurient thoughts and desires. I have yet to have a Thai gal "get" this. On the other hand, Indonesians seem to, as do many Viets and Chinese. I think it has to do a lot with Thais not being a very introspective people. On the one hand it makes Thai women easier to live with because they are not always trying to "find themselves. " But on the other hand it makes certain aspects of a relationship nigh on impossible.You certainly have enough experience with Thai women to speak with authority; and I can appreciate your point about the psychological aspect of an exciting sexual relationship. I've never experienced that with a Thai woman, but then I've never had anything even remotely close to real relationship with a Thai woman.
As much as I liked the Indonesia people I would never think of living in Indonesia, but am interested in revisiting Jakarta again before too much longer. Jakarta is not an appealing destination, but it is a great place to spend a few days sampling the food, which I quite like, and exploring the sex scene.
You certainly have enough experience with Thai women to speak with authority; and I can appreciate your point about the psychological aspect of an exciting sexual relationship. I've never experienced that with a Thai woman, but then I've never had anything even remotely close to real relationship with a Thai woman.
As much as I liked the Indonesia people I would never think of living in Indonesia, but am interested in revisiting Jakarta again before too much longer. Jakarta is not an appealing destination, but it is a great place to spend a few days sampling the food, which I quite like, and exploring the sex scene.Paul, I am with you on Jakarta. It is just too much of an "ass-whippin'" to get around. Not a user friendly city at all. But I would like to make a return visit soon for some fun!
Banana Boi
06-07-15, 08:13
Police arrests streetwalkers: http://www.stickboybangkok.com/news/over-100-street-prostitutes-arrested-in-bangkok/.Do busts like this really slow down prostitution in BKK? What a waste of Thai taxpayers money.
I found this quote from the article interesting "The operation didn't involve any farrang hooker hotspots so your favourite Sukhumvit streetwalker should be in her usual spot if you are looking for a cheap thrill and a free STD. ". If this is the case why don't girls just work at the bars?
Wolvenvacht
06-07-15, 08:23
Do busts like this really slow down prostitution in BKK? What a waste of Thai taxpayers money.
It is not at all about slowing prostitution. I guess this Police General needed some good marks on his report card with the Army and found an easy target, at the same time side-tracking some lower ranking contenders. If my memory is not entirely shot, I seem to remember that the Thonglor Police Chief was rather recently appointed to "clean up" that area. Perhaps an "Army sponsored" appointment? If so, this is a nice way to show the Army they should not meddle with the local economy.
I found this quote from the article interesting "The operation didn't involve any farrang hooker hotspots so your favourite Sukhumvit streetwalker should be in her usual spot if you are looking for a cheap thrill and a free STD. ". If this is the case why don't girls just work at the bars?
One should not forget that the sex-industry for Thais is far larger than the sex-industry for farang. I even dare to say that the farang section of the sex-industry is - from an economic perspective - too small to be of any real consequence.
Those few bars in Nana, Soi Cowboy and Patpong may be very "visible" but are really like nothing. And that answers your question: it is just a niche market and hence will attract few players.
Member #4591
06-07-15, 12:02
That the good times are past and that the odd punter who reports paying a large sum for a basic S / T experience has absolutely no effect on the overall market. Thus we may bemoan his expenditure and say that he could have paid less. Yes, probably ten years ago he would.
Remember too that the the average Westerner coming to Thailand has a higher disposable income that he would have had ten years ago and he is content to pay market prices for a two week holiday.
Two girls a day for ten days at $50 over the supposed "correct" price is only $1,000 on a trip that is probably costing him nearly $10,000 seems of no consequence.
I appreciate, having first visited Thailand more years ago than I like to admit, that prices have changed (but then I earned probably 5 percent of what I earn now). The only people rising prices have hit are the long term residents of LOS on fixed incomes. Tough but you had some very cheap pussy for a long time!Simple economics guys. If you think that some guys who pay more really cause the prices to go up then I have one bridge for sale. Supply and demand is and will always be the reason for price fluctuations.
But getting back to my original train of thought; as much as I like the sexy Chinese sauna girls in Macau and amorous Indonesian girls in Jakarta, there is no way I would consider living in either city full time. All there is in these two towns is shagging and eating. The shagging and good eats are necessary for me, but not alone sufficient to make me want to rent a condo and spend a year there. 5 nights per year in Macau, two weeks at a stretch in Jakarta is enough for me. So that still leaves BKK as the best all around city in Asia to live in full time. I know you have had it rough living here all these years, but it is what it is. Snip.
What about Seoul, HCMC, Bali, Yangon, Colombo? There are so many possibilities out there. I live in Hawaii, the worlds best weather and cleanest environment. But there are real drawbacks. The cost of living is insane. I would think the same as Singapore. A small old house in Hawaii starts around $750,000.
But I have come to the same conclusion that South Thailand is the one of the best choices. I agree with you on all fronts. The availability of activity, food, culture and access to all areas in SEA is right here in South Thai without the stress of living in BKK. The people are friendly and always happy. Also must mention the medical excellence in Thailand. This is of concern as we age. I am only 68 so no worry for awhile.
Keep up the great writing your reports and you input are well received.
Aloha.
RL.None of your posts ever mention Malaysia. You could give it a try; I think it's a pretty good compromise between Singapore and Thailand.
Simple economics guys. If you think that some guys who pay more really cause the prices to go up then I have one bridge for sale. Supply and demand is and will always be the reason for price fluctuations.The P4 P industry in BKK has always defied the traditional supply and demand model. When there are fewer dudes, the gals want more money. Thai logic = less customers means I have to make more off each customer. It is one industry that is provider driven.
Simple economics guys. If you think that some guys who pay more really cause the prices to go up then I have one bridge for sale. Supply and demand is and will always be the reason for price fluctuations.Well, to quibble a bit, I submit that yes, overpayers do push up the prices. Not one or two guys, but many, over a period of time, do. How do you determine the value of something? It's easy. It's worth whatever somebody will pay for it. The price of a good or service tends to be predicated on what the "dominant buyers" will pay for the perceived value.
Why are housing prices here in SoCal so ridiculous? You can't touch a tarpaper shack for under $500 K. Why? You can say that's ridiculous, I won't pay it. But the seller will say OK, there are 5 guys behind you who will. The "dominant buyer's" perceived value trumps yours.
Costa Rica is a good example. It's a small place, with pretty women. It has an economy a fraction of Thailand's, specifically about 13% the size of Thailand. I'm sure it's worse now, but a few years ago the ladies all demanded $100 per hour and it was not easy negotiating down. By all reasonable standards given the cost of living, etc. , the price should have been somewhere around $40. (At the time, a LT in Thailand was around 1500 baht) Why so high? It's very east to get to CR from Florida, Texas, and other places in the USA. Over time, loads of horny fishermen on vacation hear $100/ hour and think Wow, that would be $300 (or whatever) back home. The prices go up. And not just P4 P, but everything tourist-related is far more expensive than the equivalent "local" prices.
There is never one single cause of virtually any problem, be it politics or pussy, but I think this is a definite contributing factor to Thailand's pricing problems. The same mindset that pushed CR's prices up has been at work in Thailand for the past 10 years, or so. Another is demographics, but that's another post.
Well, to quibble a bit, I submit that yes, overpayers do push up the prices. Not one or two guys, but many, over a period of time.Everyone's entitled to their simplistic opinions, or their flyover hometown USA frame of reference comparison (tar paper shacks and fishermen?) and frame of references you have from perspective of low end.
In actuality, higher prices draw in more girls to the game -- marginal, sub-standard girls. The effect hurts the guys looking for highest end talent, as at the same time % of high quality girls decreases and eventually they will be locked up and taken out of play.
Disagree if you want. And try and pay as little as you can, you only get what you play for.
The P4 P industry in BKK has always defied the traditional supply and demand model. When there are fewer dudes, the gals want more money. Thai logic = less customers means I have to make more off each customer. It is one industry that is provider driven.Maybe. That certainly seems to be the case in Brazil, although it is not so much there driven by the girls but rather the owners of the establishments.
As to Thailand, I suspect the upward trend in pricing may also reflect that although there may be fewer mongers traveling there, the demographic and socio-economic composition of the monger pool may be changing towards those more inclined to throw their money around. When the girls see this, sure they are going to ask for higher prices if they can get away with it.
But as just stated this is only a suspicion on my part, I don't know the degree to which it is true.
The P4 P industry in BKK has always defied the traditional supply and demand model. When there are fewer dudes, the gals want more money. Thai logic = less customers means I have to make more off each customer.I think that demand (customer opportunities) has actually increased for the ladies because of technology. More options to market themselves and keep in touch with regulars. Easier to reach a wider world than the arms length area around the bar and the sidewalk. More real-time information on what the market will bear.
How many P4 P ladies are without a smart phone and void of social media savvy these days?
SL.
I think that demand (customer opportunities) has actually increased for the ladies because of technology. More options to market themselves and keep in touch with regulars. Easier to reach a wider world than the arms length area around the bar and the sidewalk. More real-time information on what the market will bear.
How many P4 P ladies are without a smart phone and void of social media savvy these days?
SL.Sun, I would say there are far fewer Western mongers here than there ever were. As far as Asian are concerned, probably more than before, but to be honest for my first 10 years here the bars were heaving every night of the week. That includes the smaller bars. I think aggregate demand is down. Yes, the gals are more tech savvy, but just because they have more avenues to market themselves does not mean the number of customers has increased. Judging from the crowds or lack there of in the GoGos and hearing the women in the oilies complain about lack of customers then I would tend to believe there are fewer punters around. The majority of younger guys I know here (20's and 30's) are really not into the P4 P scene at all. In fact, they are "grossed out" and offended by it.
The interesting stat would be how the number of Thai dudes in the P4 P scene has changed over the past 15 years.
This is more of a question than a report. I was recently in Cowboy 2 with two friends and in the course of a conversation with one of the girls she told me that they have a 2 tier system for barfines, all the young good looking girls are 3000 BF and the same again for ST? Apparently there are "standard" girls AKA fat or ugly for 800 BF. My question is has Cowboy 2 been taken over by the Arab? As the pressure to buy drinks seems to suggest it has.
Regards,
BJ
Everyone's entitled to their simplistic opinions, or their flyover hometown USA frame of reference comparison (tar paper shacks and fishermen?) and frame of references you have from perspective of low end.
In actuality, higher prices draw in more girls to the game -- marginal, sub-standard girls. The effect hurts the guys looking for highest end talent, as at the same time % of high quality girls decreases and eventually they will be locked up and taken out of play.
Disagree if you want. And try and pay as little as you can, you only get what you play for.That makes no sense. High prices only draw in sub-standard girls? The better girls aren't in it for money? If prices stay low then more pretty girls are attracted to the industry? State your sources, please.
The better girls have better career options. That's the improving economy. There are fewer girls in the P4 P age range. That's demographics. Both of which are also contributing factors, neither germane to this particular post.
Oh, I guess you've never been on a deep-sea fishing trip to another country?
The law of supply and demand never fails over a reasonable time period. The price always adjusts to the supply and demand anywhere.
Wolvenvacht
06-08-15, 06:43
That makes no sense. High prices only draw in sub-standard girls? The better girls aren't in it for money? If prices stay low then more pretty girls are attracted to the industry? State your sources, please.
The better girls have better career options. That's the improving economy. There are fewer girls in the P4 P age range. That's demographics. Both of which are also contributing factors, neither germane to this particular post.
Oh, I guess you've never been on a deep-sea fishing trip to another country?If I remember my economy lessons well, in a market of willing sellers and willing buyers with full freedom to enter or leave the market, the "invisible hand" will always cause the market to come to an equilibrium. High prices or scarcity of supply will allow more sellers to enter the market.
But by definition, the majority of the new entrants will be "average" (i.e. less quality than the top), who will be unable to sell for the top price, so the median price goes down and the scarcity goes away, which depresses the price also.
That will attract more buyers and they will compete for the sellers which drives the price up again. The end-price is determined by how fast sellers and providers will enter and leave the market and how fast prices adjust. A typical "predator - prey" scenario.
And indeed, low prices will favour better quality (over all the market) since with low prices, more sellers will be forced out of the market and only the best products will be able to maintain their appeal and market share. High prices allow everyone to enter and as always there are more "average" providers than top (or for that matter, bottom) providers. Low prices will skew that distribution towards the "better" side, relatively speaking.
In that respect "better" girls will NOT have better career options: it are the lower ranked girls who have the most chances to make as much (or more) in the regular economy. The top girls will struggle to find a job sitting in an office that makes them as much as they can make through the Game.
If I remember my economy lessons well, in a market of willing sellers and willing buyers with full freedom to enter or leave the market, the "invisible hand" will always cause the market to come to an equilibrium. High prices or scarcity of supply will allow more sellers to enter the market.
But by definition, the majority of the new entrants will be "average" (i.e. less quality than the top), who will be unable to sell for the top price, so the median price goes down and the scarcity goes away, which depresses the price also.
That will attract more buyers and they will compete for the sellers which drives the price up again. The end-price is determined by how fast sellers and providers will enter and leave the market and how fast prices adjust. A typical "predator - prey" scenario.
And indeed, low prices will favour better quality (over all the market) since with low prices, more sellers will be forced out of the market and only the best products will be able to maintain their appeal and market share. High prices allow everyone to enter and as always there are more "average" providers than top (or for that matter, bottom) providers. Low prices will skew that distribution towards the "better" side, relatively speaking.
In that respect "better" girls will NOT have better career options: it are the lower ranked girls who have the most chances to make as much (or more) in the regular economy. The top girls will struggle to find a job sitting in an office that makes them as much as they can make through the Game.Most gals don't want to work as hookers and will take a lower paying job in order to not have to prostitute themselves. In fact, I have known very few gals who were not looking for a way to get out of the game. Good lookers can now get decent paying jobs as "pretties" or other types or presenters. So it is not a market that most are looking to "get into. ".
Eco 101 just like Politics 101 or Logic 101 gets a bit of a revamp in Asia. There are cultural aspects that we as Westerners just don't factor in when we look at things over here. We want it to fit into "our" model, but sorry it just doesn't. If there is one thing I have learned in my years here is that things rarely go "according to Hoyle. ".
Let's take the oilies for example. One would think that with more oilies opening the competition for the customer would lead to better service as each individual business competes for customers. But the converse has occurred. Why? Because some of the oilies have relaxed performance standards in order to attract and keep more attractive gals and in turn the traditional PSE shops have had to somewhat do the same. So service has not improved as the businesses have to cater to the providers as opposed to the customers. GoGos have often been the same, playing music that suits the gals as opposed to music that suits the customer. I have never seen a "market" that is completely dominated by the seller as the P4 P industry. Just shows you how powerless we dudes really are.
Engine Driver
06-08-15, 09:26
Sun, I would say there are far fewer Western mongers here than there ever were. As far as Asian are concerned, probably more than before, but to be honest for my first 10 years here the bars were heaving every night of the week. That includes the smaller bars. I think aggregate demand is down. Yes, the gals are more tech savvy, but just because they have more avenues to market themselves does not mean the number of customers has increased. Judging from the crowds or lack there of in the GoGos and hearing the women in the oilies complain about lack of customers then I would tend to believe there are fewer punters around. The majority of younger guys I know here (20's and 30's) are really not into the P4 P scene at all. In fact, they are "grossed out" and offended by it.
The interesting stat would be how the number of Thai dudes in the P4 P scene has changed over the past 15 years.I agree with your comment that the current set of Gen why's (20 - 30 year olds) are very much against sex tourism. When I was that age, I couldn't get enough. The new lot are all politically correct and sensitive having been brainwashed by their left-wing female school teachers (in Australia, there are virtually no male primary / elementary school teachers). Besides, I think the young Western dudes use social media exclusively for hooking up with girls in their own countries. A trip to Thailand means you can't score. The new age, sensitive dude is more likely to visit Thailand with his new age, sensitive white girlfriend. I don't think a trip to Nana Plaza would be on the itinerary.
Despite world stock market and property prices remaining high, I still don't think the world economy is in good shape. Europe hasn't fully recovered from 2008, mining has completely collapsed in Australia, coal and oil prices are low, etc. Many potential mongers are worried about their jobs, house mortgages and rising cost of living. A trip to Thailand is not going to happen right now.
Someone has mentioned before on this forum that the size of the P4 P market in Thailand for foreigners (Pattaya, Soi Cowboy, Nana Plaza and Patpong) is insignificant compared to what the locals play in, so I don't think it is going to concern too many people.
With service standards dropping, more girls providing mediocre service and prices rising, I'm sure many mature punters are questioning the value of a trip to Thailand. They can probably remember their first trip to BKK when things were a lot different.
I agree with your comment that the current set of Gen why's (20 - 30 year olds) are very much against sex tourism. When I was that age, I couldn't get enough. The new lot are all politically correct and sensitive having been brainwashed by their left-wing female school teachers (in Australia, there are virtually no male primary / elementary school teachers). Besides, I think the young Western dudes use social media exclusively for hooking up with girls in their own countries. A trip to Thailand means you can't score. The new age, sensitive dude is more likely to visit Thailand with his new age, sensitive white girlfriend. I don't think a trip to Nana Plaza would be on the itinerary.
Despite world stock market and property prices remaining high, I still don't think the world economy is in good shape. Europe hasn't fully recovered from 2008, mining has completely collapsed in Australia, coal and oil prices are low, etc. Many potential mongers are worried about their jobs, house mortgages and rising cost of living. A trip to Thailand is not going to happen right now.
Someone has mentioned before on this forum that the size of the P4 P market in Thailand for foreigners (Pattaya, Soi Cowboy, Nana Plaza and Patpong) is insignificant compared to what the locals play in, so I don't think it is going to concern too many people.
With service standards dropping, more girls providing mediocre service and prices rising, I'm sure many mature punters are questioning the value of a trip to Thailand. They can probably remember their first trip to BKK when things were a lot different.I think all your comments are spot on. And I will add to that many of the savvy P4 P gals are getting customers solely online these days. And who can blame them? Why sit in tthe BG, Thermae, or work in an oily when you don't have to. I think that is very much true of the local P4 P scene. It is also far more discreet.
Thailand is expensive and for North Americans especially it is a lot cheaper to hit the DR, CR, or even South America. And you don't have to deal with jet lag. Europeans have closer options as well.
If you can find quality girls in your home market for 3 k ST then I advise you to stay where you are. For some reason, perhaps just my personal taste, I don't believe this price point is real, not for quality anyway.
Now here in Asia, high prices are prevalent EVERYWHERE in the P4 P arena and so far the price increases have done nothing to affect aggregate demand. I firmly believe, however, that at some point higher prices in ASIA will begin to affect aggregate demand. When that happens the market price will drop like a ton of bricks. I can't wait, but until that day of market reckoning, I am going to continue to visit my favorite Asian watering holes because 1) I like Asian girls, 2) for some reason I am still getting damn good service, and 3) I can still afford it. I am never going to go to Africa no matter how cheap it is there and it is not that cheap, BTW. I just don't find sub Saharan girls attractive. I have traveled around SA extensively in its hey day (the 80'sand 90's) and don't feel like returning there. I don't like the vibe and guess what ? Quality poontang is expensive in SA too. Lastly, American and European girls suck IMHO. There is something in the water here that ruins the girls in the West. Even Asian girls who live in the West a short time, change. To get anywhere near the quality service I am used to in Asia, I would have to spend a $1000 or more which is above my max price point.
So Asia is my last stand and the bad news is high quality Asian girls (7* and above) in Jakarta, Makati, Macau, Singapore, Hong Kong are getting $200/ session and more depending on the venue. Even in Phnom Penh, FL's at Darling Darling are getting $100ST which was an unheard of price just a few years ago. And Darling Darling is packed, standing room only every night, with mostly Asian customers clearly illustrating that high prices have not adversely affected demand. Then in our beloved BKK; the all in price for Go Go girls (BF + tip+ drinks) is well north of $100. The price for oily massage girls is averaging 2300 bt. And get this: I dropped by La Belle a few times during my trip and I was shocked by the low numbers of girls available in my favorite soapy at any price. I even walked out one time because the selection was so meager. Another time I selected the hottest girl, a sideliner, in the joint. Her price 6000 was bt. The highest price I ever paid in BKK. Service was good although she would not let me take any pictures. WTF! She said that next time camera time would be on the menu. Ha Ha.
So as prices continue to rise across the board, I am waiting for aggregate demand to drop, but it has not so far. In 5 years I expect prices will be significantly higher than they are now. I hope I am wrong. Let's wait and see. This is a very interesting Economic phenomenon.Yes in UK and Germany you can ST very good looking British, German, East-Euro, Latina, Asian girls for £60 or €50 for 30 mins not all will be great, but that's why it's called punting.
You're mistaken when you said to get the quality of service you'd have to pay $1000, how much we pay has no link to how good the service is, that's like comparing hookers to cars, a Ferrari is a better drive than a Ford, you can't say the same with hookers.
Hey guys,
I will be staying in BKK June 19-24. My first time. I already get a picture of where to go and what to see while I'm there.
But I know no one in BKK, so If you guys could tell me where you hang out for nice pint of beer in between Bangkoking I'd gladly join.
I'm 30 and can keep up on multiple topics from sports to politics.
Cheers
Yes in UK and Germany you can ST very good looking British, German, East-Euro, Latina, Asian girls for 60 or 50 for 30 mins not all will be great, but that's why it's called punting.
You're mistaken when you said to get the quality of service you'd have to pay $1000, how much we pay has no link to how good the service is, that's like comparing hookers to cars, a Ferrari is a better drive than a Ford, you can't say the same with hookers.Exactly. Which is why I am astonished that now so many dudes are willing to pay Ferrari prices for a Toyota.
In the North China forum Bad Boy Billy just posted a photo of two Mongolian gals he plucked from Maggies in Beijing. IMHO, they don't make 'them much hotter. Describes them both as PSE experiences. He paid 1 k Yuan (161 USD) each for them. 2 hour sesh. If that was the quality of looks we were getting here along with PSE performance I would have no issues handing over that kind of cash.
Member #4698
06-09-15, 02:51
In the North China forum Bad Boy Billy just posted a photo of two Mongolian gals he plucked from Maggies in Beijing. IMHO, they don't make 'them much hotter. He paid 1 k Yuan (161 USD) each for them. 2 hour sesh. If that was the quality of looks we were getting here along with PSE performance I would have no issues handing over that kind of cash.I hate the never ending money vs quality debate. It is boring and no side can win the issue. Spend what you want based on your preferences and what you can afford. I do.
Meanwhile, Mongolians are among my favorite girls on the planet. I still recall a Mongolian beauty I met at Hari's Bar one night in Hong Kong back in 2010 or 2011. She was simply gorgeous and yet very exotic. Her price was 2000 hk for all night. She was worth it IMHO. Unfortunately Mongolians are rarely sighted nowadays in HKG or Macau. I have thought about visiting Ulanbaatar even though I travel mostly in March and April. If the reports on the Mongolian thread were more positive and upbeat about the local scene, I would take my down jacket out of the closet and give it a go. Ha Ha.
Bad Billy's girls look great from behind. I wish he had posted a face shot, but I understand why he did not.
I hate the never ending money vs quality debate. It is boring and no side can win the issue. Spend what you want based on your preferences and what you can afford. I do.
Meanwhile, Mongolians are among my favorite girls on the planet. I still recall a Mongolian beauty I met at Hari's Bar one night in Hong Kong back in 2010 or 2011. She was simply gorgeous and yet very exotic. Her price was 2000 hk for all night. She was worth it IMHO. Unfortunately Mongolians are rarely sighted nowadays in HKG or Macau. I have thought about visiting Ulanbaatar even though I travel mostly in March and April. If the reports on the Mongolian thread were more positive and upbeat about the local scene, I would take my down jacket out of the closet and give it a go. Ha Ha.
Bad Billy's girls look great from behind. I wish he had posted a face shot, but I understand why he did not.Had some friends who were recently in Ulan. Not really a great place for P4 P these days. The local dudes really have it out for foreigners at the current time. And really do not like to see them with the local lasses.
Faces are far less important to me than bodies. Of course a gal with the face of a she goat is never ok, but a marginal face and an amazing body does for me far more than a marginal body and a great face.
Confirmed reports that the renowned and very successful Manager of several bars in Nana Plaza for almost two decades has left for a new posting in Patpong. I'm sure Dave will continue his record of success in his new venture.
Regards,
BJ
Uncle Volodya
06-09-15, 07:36
I hate the never ending money vs quality debate. It is boring and no side can win the issue. Spend what you want based on your preferences and what you can afford. I do.
Meanwhile, Mongolians are among my favorite girls on the planet. I still recall a Mongolian beauty I met at Hari's Bar one night in Hong Kong back in 2010 or 2011. She was simply gorgeous and yet very exotic. Her price was 2000 hk for all night. She was worth it IMHO. Unfortunately Mongolians are rarely sighted nowadays in HKG or Macau. I have thought about visiting Ulanbaatar even though I travel mostly in March and April. If the reports on the Mongolian thread were more positive and upbeat about the local scene, I would take my down jacket out of the closet and give it a go. Ha Ha.
Bad Billy's girls look great from behind. I wish he had posted a face shot, but I understand why he did not.I don't think you need to go all the way to UB to find them. There are plenty of them in Beijing working bars like Maggie's.
Though I hesitate to recommend that place. I had two bad experiences with Mongolian girls there. But it is a pretty big club/bar plenty of available girls. Maybe it was just my bad luck. Maybe you can do better (like BB Billy).
This is more of a question than a report. I was recently in Cowboy 2 with two friends and in the course of a conversation with one of the girls she told me that they have a 2 tier system for barfines, all the young good looking girls are 3000 BF and the same again for ST? Apparently there are "standard" girls AKA fat or ugly for 800 BF. My question is has Cowboy 2 been taken over by the Arab? As the pressure to buy drinks seems to suggest it has.
Regards,
BJI was in this bar a couple of months ago with a Chinese business friend and we experienced the same. After googling for a while my Chinese friend "fell in love" with a really beautiful young girl. She looked only 18 but was one of the cutest girl I have ever seen in Soi Cowboy. We asked the barfine and she replied 3000 bath. WTF? We thought she is only kidding us as most barfines are 600 - 1000 in the area. But the price was confirmed by others in the bar. From the perspective of the bar I can see this as a way of keeping the most attractive girls in the bar the whole evening, but we left. We do not want to encourage this system and hope it does not spread. I do not know if the "Arab" owns this bar also. Someone will probably know the details on this. There are tons of info about the go-go industry on www.stickmanbangkok.com but from one of his columns in September 2014 he says; "Unlike Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy is not owned by just one person or group, but a bunch of unrelated, unconnected landlords." For the punters, the actual owners are of less interest I guess, but it is not in favour of the punters that such price system becomes the norm. I guess we just have to accept the fact that some bars have "Coyotes" and that some girls are not available for barfine. But hey, there are other options. A pity really, because I like Cowboy 2. Lots of eye-candy here most of the time (and now I understand why).
This bar is one of the most popular bar in Soi Cowboy because the lineup is quite attractive. But, recently, I had a bad experience with one of the gogo dancers. I came twice to the bar and was attracted by one of the stunners (I guess #17). However, both time, she was already talking with customers and they quickly barfined her. She has a very sweet smile. So, I eventually came a third time, and fortunately, she was free. We started to chat, After few lady drinks, I ask her for barfine. She was expecting 6 K for a long time which is a fairly high price for SC, so I started to negotiate and we agreed for 5 K with possible bonus.
We left the bar and went together for dinner in a nearby thai restaurant. She started to chat on her smartphone with her friend. Suddenly, she start laughing loudly and announced that she cannot come with me now because she pretended that she forgot something in the bar. She proposed me to come to my hotel one hour later. Since I was not happy with that, she proposed me to return the barfine, but I was really attracted by this girl and I declined and I agreed for her to meet later in the hotel. We exchanged our contacts, then she left.
Of course, she never showed up in my hotel. So we started to chat angrily on whatsapp. I requested her to return the barfine. She pretended to be too tired to come to the bar the following day. So I eventually met her in the bar the second day. She started to ignore myself. Then I become quite mad and directly went to the mamasan. We had a quick chat and I explained that I was highly disappointed with this girl. Of course, They did not return my barfine.
I came many time to SC, but I never experienced such capricious princess behavior before.
Banana Boi
06-09-15, 21:38
We asked the barfine and she replied 3000 bath. WTF? We thought she is only kidding us as most barfines are 600 - 1000 in the area...... I guess we just have to accept the fact that some bars have "Coyotes" and that some girls are not available for barfine. But hey, there are other options. A pity really, because I like Cowboy 2. Lots of eye-candy here most of the time (and now I understand why).If barfine is 3000 I'd hate to hear what LT will cost. Is this the standard barfine for all Cowboy 2 girls or just the top ones? If the girl was the best I've seen and I get a sense of chemistry with her I'd barfine as long as LT was not crazy as well.
What percentage of girls are not available for sex in a club like Cowboy 2?
In all the videos I watch of BKK Cowboy 2 is one of the few clubs I see girls I like.
There seems to be a worrying trend regarding the go-go's in Soi Cowboy. High prices, aggressive drinks requests and bad attitudes seem to abound. Now I wouldn't go as far to say the place is a write off just yet but the bars worth going to seem to be getting fewer and fewer. Off the top of my head Long Gun, Suzi Wong, Baccara and Crazy House seem to be the best options. That is a sad reflection compared to 5 or 6 years ago. With Patpong cleaning itself up in recent years it could be that Soi Cowboy and Patpong are in danger of switching places. I've heard that the rental agreements in Nana Plaza are expiring very soon and will need to be re-negotiated. Mongering in these places seems to be under a bit of pressure.
Regards,
BJ
Undercoverh
06-10-15, 14:27
This bar is one of the most popular bar in Soi Cowboy because the lineup is quite attractive. But, recently, I had a bad experience with one of the gogo dancers. I came twice to the bar and was attracted by one of the stunners (I guess #17). However, both time, she was already talking with customers and they quickly barfined her. She has a very sweet smile. So, I eventually came a third time, and fortunately, she was free. We started to chat, After few lady drinks, I ask her for barfine. She was expecting 6 K for a long time which is a fairly high price for SC, so I started to negotiate and we agreed for 5 K with possible bonus.
We left the bar and went together for dinner in a nearby thai restaurant. She started to chat on her smartphone with her friend. Suddenly, she start laughing loudly and announced that she cannot come with me now because she pretended that she forgot something in the bar. She proposed me to come to my hotel one hour later. Since I was not happy with that, she proposed me to return the barfine, but I was really attracted by this girl and I declined and I agreed for her to meet later in the hotel. We exchanged our contacts, then she left.
Of course, she never showed up in my hotel. So we started to chat angrily on whatsapp. I requested her to return the barfine. She pretended to be too tired to come to the bar the following day. So I eventually met her in the bar the second day. She started to ignore myself. Then I become quite mad and directly went to the mamasan. We had a quick chat and I explained that I was highly disappointed with this girl. Of course, They did not return my barfine.
I came many time to SC, but I never experienced such capricious princess behavior before.I also had several bad experiences at SC area bars. I live in Bkk and I have stopped going to SC. It seems that the mama could care less about the customer and they go along with whatever the bar girl does. The fact is, SC go go girls believe they are queens. However, you cannot blame them when sex tourist overpay for sex. When I came to Bkk many years ago, SC barfine was 600, ST was 1,000 to 1,500. LT was 2,000 to 2,500. Over the past several years, tourist have overpaid for sex with these young girls and in return, just like a spoiled wife, the girls attitude has turned bad. Sorry to say, but 5000 to 6,000 for LT plus barfine is simply paying too much for sex with a Bkk bar girl. Please understand am not telling men how to spend their money, I am simply stating a fact about overpaying. Also, after the bar closes, the bar girls who need money and who did not get picked will head to Soi 11 clubs and will charge 2,000 to 3,000 fot LT. I have have picked up so very pretty Thai bar girls from soi 11 and LT was never more a total of 3,000. This includes taxi fare for the girl. These are the same girls that charge 5k to 6k at SC plus bar fine. I refuse to pay for overpriced sex.
Everything changes, back in the day, Patpong was the place to go. Now, it is an overpriced, bad attitude, bad service, scam, tourist sex trap. SC is going in the same direction. Of course every guy that goes there will not have a bad time at these places, but many will. These girls are no different then a regular girl. That is, if guys always throw lots of money at them, tell how pretty they are, take their crap off of them just for some young pussy, any girl would eventually have a bad attitude because they think they are queens. I have learned long time ago that overpaying for sex does not result in better service in Bkk with bar girls.
I also had several bad experiences at SC area bars. I live in Bkk and I have stopped going to SC. It seems that the mama could care less about the customer and they go along with whatever the bar girl does. The fact is, SC go go girls believe they are queens. However, you cannot blame them when sex tourist overpay for sex. When I came to Bkk many years ago, SC barfine was 600, ST was 1,000 to 1,500. LT was 2,000 to 2,500. Over the past several years, tourist have overpaid for sex with these young girls and in return, just like a spoiled wife, the girls attitude has turned bad. Sorry to say, but 5000 to 6,000 for LT plus barfine is simply paying too much for sex with a Bkk bar girl. Please understand am not telling men how to spend their money, I am simply stating a fact about overpaying. Also, after the bar closes, the bar girls who need money and who did not get picked will head to Soi 11 clubs and will charge 2,000 to 3,000 fot LT. I have have picked up so very pretty Thai bar girls from soi 11 and LT was never more a total of 3,000. This includes taxi fare for the girl. These are the same girls that charge 5k to 6k at SC plus bar fine. I refuse to pay for overpriced sex.
Everything changes, back in the day, Patpong was the place to go. Now, it is an overpriced, bad attitude, bad service, scam, tourist sex trap. SC is going in the same direction. Of course every guy that goes there will not have a bad time at these places, but many will. These girls are no different then a regular girl. That is, if guys always throw lots of money at them, tell how pretty they are, take their crap off of them just for some young pussy, any girl would eventually have a bad attitude because they think they are queens. I have learned long time ago that overpaying for sex does not result in better service in Bkk with bar girls.That says it all, that's why all of the girls in the West are so up themselves, we allowed it and encouraged it! It's the same guys, the over payers, the guys with the low self esteem that poison the water hole.
Undercoverh
06-10-15, 17:46
As I read the post here about the bad service of Thai girls in Bkk, one important point is overlooked. Western men are the ones mostly ending up with bad service, not the Thai men, Korean men, or Japanese men. Sad to say, Western men are no longer in big demand by Thai women due to bad rep Western men have. So when we write about bad service, it is not an issue most Asian men when they visit Thai bars, KTVs, MP, etc. Checkout the websites of Thai sex bars, MP, etc. , many are written in Korean and / or Japanese and not English. Simply stated, we are not the customers they want. Some places will charge Western men more for sex then an Asian or Thai guy. It is called surcharge.
Some KTVs in Bangkok is Asian, Korean or Japanese only. The young Thai girl values a Korean or Japanese boyfriend, whereas her mom or grandmother valued a Western man in the past. Just bare in mind that the bad service you receive from a girl, is not the same service she will give to a Korean, Thai, or Japanese. Maybe it is simply to to visit other countries for P4 P. I have been to other countries in Asian and have a good time with the girls. The good news is, as the Western men leave Bkk and go to places like Korat, the service level improves. The girls in the Thai country side and the bars there still do value Western men.
I am reading all the posts about members getting ripped off at bars, and I'm nodding my head. Of course you are getting ripped off because you are prepaying for service. If you do some work and actually look for freelancers on social networks and dating sites, you would never be ripped off. Because the latter is a post pay situation.
Stop going to bar and paying for barfines. Stop paying the middlemen and pay 100% to the girls instead.
I personally found going to the disco places in BKK more rewarding (insomnia, mix).
As I read the post here about the bad service of Thai girls in Bkk, one important point is overlooked. Western men are the ones mostly ending up with bad service, not the Thai men, Korean men, or Japanese men. Sad to say, Western men are no longer in big demand by Thai women due to bad rep Western men have. So when we write about bad service, it is not an issue most Asian men when they visit Thai bars, KTVs, MP, etc. Checkout the websites of Thai sex bars, MP, etc. , many are written in Korean and / or Japanese and not English. Simply stated, we are not the customers they want. Some places will charge Western men more for sex then an Asian or Thai guy. It is called surcharge.
Some KTVs in Bangkok is Asian, Korean or Japanese only. The young Thai girl values a Korean or Japanese boyfriend, whereas her mom or grandmother valued a Western man in the past. Just bare in mind that the bad service you receive from a girl, is not the same service she will give to a Korean, Thai, or Japanese. Maybe it is simply to to visit other countries for P4 P. I have been to other countries in Asian and have a good time with the girls. The good news is, as the Western men leave Bkk and go to places like Korat, the service level improves. The girls in the Thai country side and the bars there still do value Western men.So what? In German FKKs, some or them ban Asian men from entering. And I was quoted 10 k baht from some Russian woman at mix night club. Western women has a notorious reputation of trying to rip off Asian men.
And don't get me started about white women not dating Asian men in America.
So to summarize, western people should clean up their own racist behavior against Asian men before they start complaining about the same thing happening to them. What did they say about throwing rocks in glass houses?
As I read the post here about the bad service of Thai girls in Bkk, one important point is overlooked. Western men are the ones mostly ending up with bad service, not the Thai men, Korean men, or Japanese men. Sad to say, Western men are no longer in big demand by Thai women due to bad rep Western men have. So when we write about bad service, it is not an issue most Asian men when they visit Thai bars, KTVs, MP, etc. Checkout the websites of Thai sex bars, MP, etc. , many are written in Korean and / or Japanese and not English. Simply stated, we are not the customers they want. Some places will charge Western men more for sex then an Asian or Thai guy. It is called surcharge.
Some KTVs in Bangkok is Asian, Korean or Japanese only. The young Thai girl values a Korean or Japanese boyfriend, whereas her mom or grandmother valued a Western man in the past. Just bare in mind that the bad service you receive from a girl, is not the same service she will give to a Korean, Thai, or Japanese. Maybe it is simply to to visit other countries for P4 P. I have been to other countries in Asian and have a good time with the girls. The good news is, as the Western men leave Bkk and go to places like Korat, the service level improves. The girls in the Thai country side and the bars there still do value Western men.Um, I kind of differ with your analysis. I think our service expectations are very different than most Asian men. We expect a GFE or a PSE, where most Asian guys are there to get "serviced" and look at a pretty face. Their looks standards are different from ours. They will say theirs are "higher. " However their performance standards are quite a bit lower and that is what makes the Asian dude attractive. The old joke, "3, 3, 3" still applies. 3 inches, 3 minutes, 3 thousand Baht. As a WG would you rather have that or a farang guy who is 7 inches plus setting up his drilling rig above you for an hour? So they are getting the same service that we are, they are simply ok with it.
Um, I kind of differ with your analysis. I think our service expectations are very different than most Asian men. We expect a GFE or a PSE, where most Asian guys are there to get "serviced" and look at a pretty face. Their looks standards are different from ours. They will say theirs are "higher. " However their performance standards are quite a bit lower and that is what makes the Asian dude attractive. The old joke, "3, 3, 3" still applies. 3 inches, 3 minutes, 3 thousand Baht. As a WG would you rather have that or a farang guy who is 7 inches plus setting up his drilling rig above you for an hour? So they are getting the same service that we are, they are simply ok with it.My thoughts on this exactly.
Undercoverh
06-11-15, 02:55
So what? In German FKKs, some or them ban Asian men from entering. And I was quoted 10 k baht from some Russian woman at mix night club. Western women has a notorious reputation of trying to rip off Asian men.
And don't get me started about white women not dating Asian men in america.
So to summarize, western people should clean up their own racist behavior against Asian men before they start complaining about the same thing happening to them. What did they say about throwing rocks in glass houses?With respect to America and Germany, I understand your anger regarding the issues you stated. However, in my previous post, I was not comparing Germany and America to Bkk. Since this is a posting site for Bkk, we are only referring to BKK. My post, and the previous post by other men on this site, were discussing why Western men are encountering Thai sex providers that provide poor service--in Bkk.
The reason why Thai women provide poor service to Western men in Bkk has nothing to do with German FKKs, Russian women, or whhite women not dating Asian men in America. In addition, racist behavior in German or America, does not justify what takes place in Bkk. You incorrectly assumed since I was discussing why Western men are treated poorly, while other men of Asian background were treated better, that I was somehow attempting to "throw rocks in a glass house" and complaining. I can assure you I am not complaining, because I often benfit from the current situtation in Bkk, because I am Asian. You incorrectly assumed I was a Western guy trying to put down Asian men.
I was born in a Western country and moved to Asia in my 30's. I see both sides of the Asian and Western issue in Bkk. When I walk into a club in Bkk, MP or go go bar, and I have not starting talking yet, the Thais assume I am from Japan, Korea, or Singapore, and I am treated very well. However, when I start to talk with my perfect English, as we consider it perfect in Canada, the Thais realize I am a Western guy and the service level tends to change. Not always, but I have noticed it often enough after living in Bkk for 17 years.
Again, I am not putting down Asian guys, or pretending racist behavior is not present in other countries, I am simply stating the facts as I see them based on my experience in Bkk for the past 17 years. And as for white women not wanting to date Asian men in America, I would agree that white girls are not standing in line to date us in America. However, it also depends on the Asian guy. A few of my Asian college friends in America dated white girls, but they had a Western attitude and they were tall good looking guys. Do not feel bad if you were not able to date white girls in America, many of these girls are loads of trouble based on what my white male friends told me. That is why so many Western men come to Asia.
And as you know, many Asian girls in America will not date Asian guys. My Asian uncle, who lives in America, has 3 daughters and they all are married to white guys. If you ever been to Los Angeles or San Fran. on the weekend and hang out, for example in Santa Monica, you will see lots of Asian girls with white guys. My Black male friends have told me how difficult it is for them to date Asian women in America. Now, am Iputting white guys or black down, of course not. I am simply stating the facts as they are as they relate to a particular country for sex. Every country is different and some countries are better for certain men. Right now, Bkk is leaning towards Asian men and not Western men. 15 years ago, Western men were kings in Thailand. In Vietnam, my whtie Expat frined loves it there, but no longer enjoys Bkk.
I have learned long time ago that overpaying for sex does not result in better service in Bkk with bar girls.Ain't that the truth.
Regards,
BJ
Wolvenvacht
06-11-15, 06:58
I am reading all the posts about members getting ripped off at bars, and I'm nodding my head. Of course you are getting ripped off because you are prepaying for service. If you do some work and actually look for freelancers on social networks and dating sites, you would never be ripped off. Because the latter is a post pay situation.
Stop going to bar and paying for barfines. Stop paying the middlemen and pay 100% to the girls instead.
I personally found going to the disco places in BKK more rewarding (insomnia, mix).Wait, you are not understanding how a bar-fine works. That money goes (mostly) to the bar, not to the girl. You negotiate a fee for her services with her and pay her afterwards. The bar-fine is only so you are allowed to take her with you during her working hours.
Uncle Volodya
06-11-15, 09:08
As a WG would you rather have that or a farang guy who is 7 inches plus setting up his drilling rig above you for an hour? So they are getting the same service that we are, they are simply ok with it. Haha too funny. And spot on analysis. That's why I kind of prefer the FL scene where you can feel out the girl and see if she could possibly be into some deep drilling. 555.
You are absolutely right. Th p4p culture is very different between Asians and farangs. They are looking to be serviced while we are looking for a GFE experience. I think from their POV our expectations are kind of foolish and naive. And (though I hate to say it) they do have a point.
Though I firmly believe that you can find WG that will deliver and that will even develop a crush on you. It just takes a little more effort.
Can anybody tell me of a nice spot to meet up with an internet friend that has a short time hotel nearby?
Haha too funny. And spot on analysis. That's why I kind of prefer the FL scene where you can feel out the girl and see if she could possibly be into some deep drilling. 555.
You are absolutely right. Th p4p culture is very different between Asians and farangs. They are looking to be serviced while we are looking for a GFE experience. I think from their POV our expectations are kind of foolish and naive. And (though I hate to say it) they do have a point.
Though I firmly believe that you can find WG that will deliver and that will even develop a crush on you. It just takes a little more effort.I agree with them in some ways about the GFE thing. I really am a PSE guy, and I find very few gals who really provide it.
I really am a PSE guy, and I find very few gals who really provide it.I have not stumbled into many PSE chicks in Thailand or any other Asian countries, with a few exceptions. I suggest you pay a visit to Brazil. The chicks there know a thing about PSE service. Strangely enough, some of the Korean providers in the US offer decent PSE, but not too many.
There is a short time hotel at the corner of Ekamai Soi 4.
Enough nice places to meet on Soi Ekamai. .
Can anybody tell me of a nice spot to meet up with an internet friend that has a short time hotel nearby?
I have not stumbled into many PSE chicks in Thailand or any other Asian countries, with a few exceptions. I suggest you pay a visit to Brazil. The chicks there know a thing about PSE service. Strangely enough, some of the Korean providers in the US offer decent PSE, but not too many.I too found some PSE Korean providers in the US. Can be quite fun. I do need to take that Brazil trip. As far as PSE in Asia I have found Indonesian gals to be about the best.
Um, I kind of differ with your analysis. I think our service expectations are very different than most Asian men. We expect a GFE or a PSE, where most Asian guys are there to get "serviced" and look at a pretty face. Their looks standards are different from ours. They will say theirs are "higher. " However their performance standards are quite a bit lower and that is what makes the Asian dude attractive. The old joke, "3, 3, 3" still applies. 3 inches, 3 minutes, 3 thousand Baht. As a WG would you rather have that or a farang guy who is 7 inches plus setting up his drilling rig above you for an hour? So they are getting the same service that we are, they are simply ok with it.I've also heard a variation of this that goes "3 inches, 3 minutes, and 3 times as much money as everyone else is paying" Either way, it explains a lot.
Wait, you are not understanding how a bar-fine works. That money goes (mostly) to the bar, not to the girl. You negotiate a fee for her services with her and pay her afterwards. The bar-fine is only so you are allowed to take her with you during her working hours.I understand now. Barfines are a complete waste of money and goes 100% yo the middleman. No wonder I don't understand because I always did FL with the occasional massage place when in Thailand.
Banana Boi
06-11-15, 22:47
I've also heard a variation of this that goes "3 inches, 3 minutes, and 3 times as much money as everyone else is paying" Either way, it explains a lot.Do Asian guys really all cum in 3 minutes? Why is that?
Do Asian guys really all cum in 3 minutes? Why is that?Yes, all of them. Except the ones who don't.
Uncle Volodya
06-12-15, 05:24
I've also heard a variation of this that goes "3 inches, 3 minutes, and 3 times as much money as everyone else is paying" Either way, it explains a lot.Yup. That works better now that we are all paying 3 K a lot of the time. 555.
Man, inflation sucks!
I understand now. Barfines are a complete waste of money and goes 100% yo the middleman. No wonder I don't understand because I always did FL with the occasional massage place when in Thailand.IMO the whole cabaret style go-go bar business model is a bit of a 1960's vietnam era anachronism, which is now creaking under it's own weight.
SL.
Undercoverh
06-12-15, 16:19
I am reading all the posts about members getting ripped off at bars, and I'm nodding my head. Of course you are getting ripped off because you are prepaying for service. If you do some work and actually look for freelancers on social networks and dating sites, you would never be ripped off. Because the latter is a post pay situation.
Stop going to bar and paying for barfines. Stop paying the middlemen and pay 100% to the girls instead.
I personally found going to the disco places in BKK more rewarding (insomnia, mix).I agree with you. The bar fine fee is a waste of time. Back in the day, the bar fine was insurance the girl would perform. If she did not, you went back to the bar, asked for your money back, and the girl would be in trouble. Just the treat of telling the girl you would go back to the bar and get your money back made the girl act right. Now days, the mama will never give money back, the girls never get in trouble when you talk to the mama, and the girl is free to act how she wants with the customer. This is a different generation of bar girls and mamas then 15 years ago. This new generation could care less about you.
The bar fine was also payment for the owner to bring together a group of young fuckable women ready to please you. Well, those days are gone. Now it is a group of women at the go go bars with attitude and no service. Guys can now go to FL bars on soi 11 and find tons more fuckable women ready to please brought together in a group, and no bar fine. Therefore, I refuse to pay a bar fine in Bkk. Plus, paying for service in advance often leads to problems, e. G. , bar fine.
Some bar girls ask for advance payment, guess the type if service you will get.
I will not lower my expectations for P4 P sex. I expect GFE and good sex. If you accept bad sex and bad attitude, you simply get married and save the cost of airfare to Bkk. I do not find good sex in one outlet, then I will find another sex outlet that provides it, rather it be in Bkk or another city, or another country.
So many men forget we are control in Bkk. They chase young pussy and overpay and take BS off of these girls. If Western men stop going to Bkk, the economy would tank. Simply, if you are not getting the service you desire, stop going to the go go bar that provided the service. Vote with your pocketbook. But I see so many Western men keep visiting the same sex outlets that always get bad reviews here, e. G. , soi cowboy. You will never see a Thai customer in soi cowboy go go bars, because he knows it is BS tourist trap. Think about it, you never see Thai men in Nana and soi cowboy in Bkk.
FL is a better option then Go Go bars.
FL had a bad rep before. That is, rip off girls. But FL with certian rules will help you enjoy your sex. Here are the rules, always talk to the girl in a FL bar, tons of CCTV in these places. If something should happen, police can see what the girl look like. Never prepay for sex. Write down the price and time she will stay, and have here agree to this. I like using a hotel that takes their ID, and will not let her leave until they know you are ok. This is an excellent service, tip the night guard and most will really look out for you. I like ST, i really do not want a girl I just met sleeping with me and I close my eyes. Look at here ID and make sure she is over 18. You can do all these things in a romantic way. I avoid FL on the street, I prefer the club. These are just a few tips, others may have more. Also, go go bars health checks never happen. So being with a FL vs a go go bar girl is the same risk for STD. I like young FL, that are not harden or have lots of miles. The part time FL, full time student type.
FL with the right rules in place, gives you more control and better sexual outcomes compared to most go go bars in Bkk.
Member #4698
06-12-15, 17:10
Have any of you supposed Go Go experts ever been in a Go Go, let alone visited BKK? I wonder because I am reading several recent posts that are biased and long on a certain negative opinion and yet contain a tremendous amount of false and misleading information in order to support the said opinion (bias). It is one thing if you do not like Go Go's and prefer some alternative source for your girls. I find my BKK girls in many different places. It is also fine to give your reasons for not liking Go Go's or any other venue as long as those reasons are fact based. I have nothing against SW's, FL's, bar girls, semi pros, or massage girls. Whatever rocks your boat, just please stop posting erroneous information about Go Go's.
Here are the facts: First, the barfine covers the cost to the bar plus a small profit for taking a girl out of the bar. Once a girl leaves the bar she can no longer generate drinks for the bar. So the barfine is generally a fair exchange. In most Go Go's the barfine is 600 to 700 bt. In Go Go's with Coyotes, the barfine for the coyotes is more, usually 1000 bt to 1500 bt. The barfine is added to your tab and must be payed before you can leave the bar with your girl. Second, whatever you agree to pay your girl for her service and for how long is between you and the girl. The customer almost always (95% of the time) pays the girl after service is rendered. The vast majority of Go Go girls working in ISG recommended bars, ie bars that I and fellow like minded BM's have personally recommended give anywhere from acceptable to amazing service. YMMV.
Maybe I should offer consultation services to guys that have trouble getting laid proper in a BKK Go Go. 555. Because I have never had a Go Go girl try to rip me off and the last sub-par service I had was back in 2010 or 2011 (approximately 90 barfines ago). I remember her well. She was a very pretty girl out of RB 4. Once in the room she turned out to be a starfish. My report on her can be found somewhere in the back pages of the forum. But I still managed to salvage a decent shag out of her by being nice and hanging in there, literally with my dick in her vagina 30 to 40 minutes, until she realized the session wasn't going to end until she got me off. Ha Ha. What I learned from that session was to select my girls carefully and not to pick my girls based on looks alone. Make no mistake, looks are VERY important to me, but I also make REAL sure that there is a positive vibe between me and my prospective girls before I agree to barfine them. And like I said, I have not had a under-performer Go Go girl since 2010 or 2011.
Uncle Volodya
06-12-15, 17:26
Have any of you supposed Go Go experts ever been in a Go Go, let alone visited BKK? I wonder because I am reading several recent posts that are long on opinion and yet contain a tremendous amount of false and misleading information in order to support the said biased opinion. It is one thing if you do not like Go Go's and prefer some alternative source for your girls. It is also fine to give your reasons as long as they are fact based. I have nothing against SW's, FL's, bar girls, semi pros, or massage girls. Whatever rocks your boat, just please stop posting erroneous information about Go Go's that is biased towards your favored venue and type of girl whatever that is.
Here are the facts: First, the barfine covers the cost to the bar plus a small profit for taking a girl out of the bar. Once a girl leaves the bar she can no longer generate drinks for the bar. So the barfine is generally a fair exchange. In most Go Go's the barfine is 600 to 700 bt. In Go Go's with Coyotes, the barfine for the coyotes is more, usually 1000 bt to 1500 bt. The barfine is added to your tab and must be payed before you can leave the bar with your girl. Second, whatever you agree to pay your girl for her service and for how long is between you and the girl. The customer almost always (95% of the time) pays the girl after service is rendered. The vast majority of Go Go girls working in ISG recommended bars, ie bars that I and fellow like minded BM's have personally recommended give anywhere from acceptable to amazing service. YMMV. Maybe I should offer consultation services to guys that have trouble getting laid proper in a BKK Go Go. 555. Because I have never had a Go Go girl try to rip me off and the last sub-par service I had was back in 2010 or 2011 (approximately 90 barfines ago). I remember her well. She was a very pretty girl out of RB 4. Once in the room she turned out to be a starfish. My report on her can be found somewhere in the back pages of the forum. But I still managed to salvage a decent shag out of her by being nice and hanging in there, literally with my dick in her vagina 30 to 40 minutes, until she realized the session wasn't going to end until she got me off. Ha Ha. What I learned from that session was to select my girls carefully and not to pick my girls based on looks alone. Make no mistake, looks are VERY important to me, but I also make REAL sure that there is a positive vibe between me and my prospective girls before I agree to barfine them. And like I said, I have not had a under-performer Go Go girl since 2010 or 2011.I am an FL guy but do visit Gogos on occasion. Especially if I don't want to go out too late that night and want to be back in the room making the best with two backs by a descent hour.
That said my gogo experience is limited compared to guys like Natty but I have had good success at: RB4, RB2, and Crazy House. I visited all of them within the last year and took girls who were pretty, had good attitudes and provided great sex and even GFE. I've also had a good time at these venues just hanging out. Flirting, making out with the girls, fondling their tits and ass, playing withe their pussies, getting a handjobs etc, all for the price of a few drinks -- and them moved on to another venue or simply went home alone if I was tired and not really in the mood.
I prefer FLs primaily because of cost and because you do, on average, get more of a girlfirend feel (though I have also repeated with gogo girls and had fun GFE times). I am glad gogos are around and they always have a place in my itinerary.
Member #4698
06-12-15, 17:52
I am an FL guy but do visit Gogos on occasion. Especially if I don't want to go out too late that night and want to be back in the room making the best with two backs by a descent hour.
That said my gogo experience is limited compared to guys like Natty but I have had good success at: RB4, RB2, and Crazy House. I visited all of them within the last year and took girls who were pretty, had good attitudes and provided great sex and even GFE. I've also had a good time at these venues just hanging out. Flirting, making out with the girls, fondling their tits and ass, playing withe their pussies, getting a handjobs etc, all for the price of a few drinks -- and them moved on to another venue or simply went home alone if I was tired and not really in the mood.
I prefer FLs primaily because of cost and because you do, on average, get more of a girlfirend feel (though I have also repeated with gogo girls and had fun GFE times). I am glad gogos are around and they always have a place in my itinerary.Uncle V, I know you are a big fan of Insomnia over in Pat. That is a pretty good place and I look forward to going there in late September. I know I am going to meet some charming FL girls there aside from all the great Go Go girls I will also have the pleasure of.
My MO in BKK is different. I mostly hit oily parlors in the afternoon and Go Go's in the early evening between 8 pm and 10 pm. When I get tired of the Go Go circuit I change off and go to my favorite Soapies and then hit the Go Go's afterwards. LOL. Staying as I do on Soi 11 a lot, I always check out Climax and Levels later in the evening, but I must confess that I am not a big fan. Climax is too dark and the girl quality is spotty IMHO. Levels is higher class, but a majority of the girls are either already with guys or not P4 P so the place is unreliable. I also make an annual pilgrimage to Spasso and Mixx. The FL Spasso girls are generally older and expensive, but usually very nice. Still, I sometimes can't believe how many dudes show up there for what is available considering the cost and the quality. Then there are a number of very good dance clubs away from Sukhumvit like Demo off Ekkamai, the clubs on RCA Alley, the Pimp Sister ect. But to tell you the truth, I usually only go to these places with a girl and her girlfriends, not to pick one up because by 11:30 pm to 1 am I have already made my selection for the evening and am happy. But ask me about FL bars and clubs in Jakarta and you will get a different answer. I love CJ's.
Have any of you supposed Go Go experts ever been in a Go Go, let alone visited BKK? I wonder because I am reading several recent posts that are biased and long on a certain negative opinion and yet contain a tremendous amount of false and misleading information in order to support the said opinion (bias). It is one thing if you do not like Go Go's and prefer some alternative source for your girls. I find my BKK girls in many different places. It is also fine to give your reasons for not liking Go Go's or any other venue as long as those reasons are fact based. I have nothing against SW's, FL's, bar girls, semi pros, or massage girls. Whatever rocks your boat, just please stop posting erroneous information about Go Go's.
Here are the facts: First, the barfine covers the cost to the bar plus a small profit for taking a girl out of the bar. Once a girl leaves the bar she can no longer generate drinks for the bar. So the barfine is generally a fair exchange. In most Go Go's the barfine is 600 to 700 bt. In Go Go's with Coyotes, the barfine for the coyotes is more, usually 1000 bt to 1500 bt. The barfine is added to your tab and must be payed before you can leave the bar with your girl. Second, whatever you agree to pay your girl for her service and for how long is between you and the girl. The customer almost always (95% of the time) pays the girl after service is rendered. The vast majority of Go Go girls working in ISG recommended bars, ie bars that I and fellow like minded BM's have personally recommended give anywhere from acceptable to amazing service. YMMV.
Maybe I should offer consultation services to guys that have trouble getting laid proper in a BKK Go Go. 555. Because I have never had a Go Go girl try to rip me off and the last sub-par service I had was back in 2010 or 2011 (approximately 90 barfines ago). I remember her well. She was a very pretty girl out of RB 4. Once in the room she turned out to be a starfish. My report on her can be found somewhere in the back pages of the forum. But I still managed to salvage a decent shag out of her by being nice and hanging in there, literally with my dick in her vagina 30 to 40 minutes, until she realized the session wasn't going to end until she got me off. Ha Ha. What I learned from that session was to select my girls carefully and not to pick my girls based on looks alone. Make no mistake, looks are VERY important to me, but I also make REAL sure that there is a positive vibe between me and my prospective girls before I agree to barfine them. And like I said, I have not had a under-performer Go Go girl since 2010 or 2011.I have BFed literally hundreds of GoGo girls. But have not frequented them in years. Why? They are just too expensive and I don't find the attitudes and rushed service appealing. I think paying over 100 USD ST when you add up the BF, gals fee, and drinks is expensive. Sorry but when it was 35 USD all in, a rush job was ok. Call me cheap, whatever, but for one shot to me that is a lot of money. For a little over 60 USD I get a full 90 min in an oily with a gal who is going to do just about everything and do it well. I can shoot as many times as I like in that 90 min. Guess after the scads of gals I have had over the past 15 years I am both spoiled and yes, a bit jaded. My expectations are very different than that of newcomers.
Facts? I think these are based on experiences and we all have different ones. I am sure for some dude the GoGos are great. For me and for most of the long timers I know, they are not. For the most part neither are most FLs, although there is a gem every now and then. Problem is most locals don't want to stay up till 4 am chasing gals in discos. In fact, most long term expats I know don't go out chasing poon all that much. They have a list of numbers that expands and contracts and when they want to get laid they start dialing and order in; that is if they live alone. If they don't they meet gals at ST hotels or go to MPs or oilies.
i was in R4 about 3 weeks ago for the first time in about 2 years. I was bored to tears. Between the countless plastic surgery disasters, the awful music, and the "stunners" with attitudes, I could not wait to leave.
Member #4698
06-12-15, 18:04
I have BFed literally hundreds of GoGo girls. But have not frequented them in years. Why? They are just too expensive and I don't find the attitudes and rushed service appealing. I think paying over 100 USD ST when you add up the BF, gals fee, and drinks is expensive. Sorry but when it was 35 USD all in, a rush job was ok. Call me cheap, whatever, but for one shot to me that is a lot of money. For a little over 60 USD I get a full 90 min in an oily with a gal who is going to do just about everything and do it well. I can shoot as many times as I like in that 90 min. Guess after the scads of gals I have had over the past 15 years I am both spoiled and yes, a bit jaded. My expectations are very different than that of newcomers.
I respect your opinion and point of view G. Note: there is no falsehood in anything you wrote. I will just say in response that all the Go Go girls I repeat with, REPEAT WITH, do not rush me. We usually spend 3 or 4 hours together with one shag, a lot of fooling around, some drinking, and sometimes a late dinner. I call it modified ST. Example: I found out that one of my new Go Go friends from March 2015 likes to go swimming. By our third time together we had it worked out to an afternoon pool party, shag, and then early dinner. It was great. No barfine. No rush. I think we hooked up 6 times this way. I am definitely going to see her again in early October. Syzygies knows who she is. She is a great gal and IMHO, the hottest dancer in one of our favorite Go Go's.
Undercoverh
06-12-15, 19:07
In western countries, paying more often means you get better service or receive a better product. Think of the high price cars, hotels, restaurants in America for example. Western people are trained to think, and expect, the higher the price, the better the service. In western countries, this concept is mostly true.
When western men come to Bkk, they bring this same concept, and it does not not not not apply in Bkk! The more you pay for sex, the worst the service. Why is that? In Thai culture, how they treat you is based on your status in life. The lower your status, the worst they treat you. So how do most Thais now view Western sex tourist? You guessed it, on the low end of society. Thus, even if you pay 5,000 to 6,000 to a soi bar girl, she will still treat you like crap, as one guy found out in a recent post here. In addition, it is odd, but many Thai bar girls think men the overpay for sex expect too much. As one Thai bar said, "I am not his sex slave just because he gives me lots of money, he does not own me. ".
So leave your Western thoughts at home about paying more gets you more. In Bkk, overpaying for sex results in less service. By overpaying, you will be view as a horny old sex tourist that is dump enough to pay too much for pu_sy.
So leave your Western thoughts at home about paying more gets you more. In Bkk, overpaying for sex results in less service. By overpaying, you will be view as a horny old sex tourist that is dump enough to pay too much for pu_sy.I would like to disagree with your analysis, to some extent. I have never lived in Thailand, but have been traveling there since 2004. I took a total of 15 trips so far. Based on my experience, it is just the opposite.
When I pick a girl, I never negotiate the price. If she quotes me a price close to the going rate, I am game. Otherwise, I move on. However, if I like the session, then I am very generous with the tip, especially if I want to see her again. I have never been disappointed. I've always gotten great service, yet I overpay when you add the tip.
Stirge2210
06-12-15, 22:29
Hey fellow mongers,
I'm heading to BKK next week and wanted to ask a simple, but logical question that doesn't really involve scouring forums to find the answer. I'll be staying on Soi 11 during my trip and I've heard mention of FL bars that are pretty good on this Soi. Is it true that Soi 11 has some decent FL bars? Which ones would you recommend? Also, which massage places have you had positive experiences with? (oily or soapies).
Thanks in advance to anyone who has insight into this. If you would like tips from Hanoi, Kuala Lumpur, Beijing, or Taiwan (most of the island), I have plenty of places to visit, just let me know!
Cheers,
Stirge
I respect your opinion and point of view G. Note: there is no falsehood in anything you wrote. I will just say in response that all the Go Go girls I repeat with, REPEAT WITH, do not rush me. We usually spend 3 or 4 hours together with one shag, a lot of fooling around, some drinking, and sometimes a late dinner. I call it modified ST. Example: I found out that one of my new Go Go friends from March 2015 likes to go swimming. By our third time together we had it worked out to an afternoon pool party, shag, and then early dinner. It was great. No barfine. No rush. I think we hooked up 6 times this way. I am definitely going to see her again in early October. Syzygies knows who she is. She is a great gal and IMHO, the hottest dancer in one of our favorite Go Go's.Gratzi And I respect yours as well. It really comes down to differing wants, needs, and experiences doesn't it? Natty, I am sure there are some great GoGo gals out there who are well worth the money. Its great that you and Syz have been able to find some.
When I first moved here 9 out of 10 pulls from any GoGo were really great. Rarely did I ever hit a dud or someone who rushed me. There was very little looking and hunting. You pulled a gal and you pretty much knew you were going to have an excellent time. They all wanted to head out for a drink or a bite. It was sanuk. They expected it to be.
Now, I usually do about one sesh per week, due to time constraints, the fact that I have a GF and would not want to invest in any type of "relationship" (I don't even take gals phone numbers) and to be frank, after living here for so long I just don't have the urge to go out and screw 4 or 5 times per week. So when I partake I don't really want a "maybe it'll be good. " Actually I have enough trouble finding oily gals that fit the bill. And no, I don't want to pound the gal in the keister for 90 min, but I do want a gal who really knows her way around a man's erogenous zones and can take me up and down multiple times; a well developed skill set. If a little GFE is thrown in on top of the PSE then that is a really nice added bonus. But as I said, it is more and more difficult to find this even in the oilies these days. I do think that some of the PSE shops, mainly due to lack of business, are finally getting back on track and spending a bit more time training the girls. Hoping that trend will continue. Shoot me a PM when you are here in Oct.
I would like to disagree with your analysis, to some extent. I have never lived in Thailand, but have been traveling there since 2004. I took a total of 15 trips so far. Based on my experience, it is just the opposite.
When I pick a girl, I never negotiate the price. If she quotes me a price close to the going rate, I am game. Otherwise, I move on. However, if I like the session, then I am very generous with the tip, especially if I want to see her again. I have never been disappointed. I've always gotten great service, yet I overpay when you add the tip.I have never paid over the agreed price. That goes for GoGos, FLs, or MP / Oily gals. It has never been a problem and repeats have always been good.
Example: I found out that one of my new Go Go friends from March 2015 likes to go swimming. By our third time together we had it worked out to an afternoon pool party, shag, and then early dinner. It was great. No barfine. No rush. I think we hooked up 6 times this way. I am definitely going to see her again in early October. Syzygies knows who she is. Yes, "likes swimming" was the obvious hint. Always busy with her "LINE" of guys.
I respect your opinion and point of view G. Note: there is no falsehood in anything you wrote. I will just say in response that all the Go Go girls I repeat with, REPEAT WITH, do not rush me. We usually spend 3 or 4 hours together with one shag, a lot of fooling around, some drinking, and sometimes a late dinner. I call it modified ST. Example: I found out that one of my new Go Go friends from March 2015 likes to go swimming. By our third time together we had it worked out to an afternoon pool party, shag, and then early dinner. It was great. No barfine. No rush. I think we hooked up 6 times this way. I am definitely going to see her again in early October. Syzygies knows who she is. She is a great gal and IMHO, the hottest dancer in one of our favorite Go Go's.Yes I agree, what's all this rush stuff. I have more problems with ST Hotels trying to rush me. So I prefer a not so busy time like 6. 30 PM. LOL. Rush girls, simply means wrong girl, wrong bar. Girls generally don't rush me, because they know I pay okay And if the price has not been agreed and they rush me, they might get a lot less.
Sure I have met rush quickie girls, particularly in RB4, and a bad one in Spankys once, but I generally don't go to Nana Plaza much except to some regular girls.
I think go-go girls is a much bigger problem for guys who get bored by girls very quickly and are changing all the time. For me, I prefer to make a collection of regular good lookers that perform well too. The odd experiment with a new girl turns out not so great. However sometimes girls attitudes change a lot. There are go-go girls that were nothing special for me the first time, but improved drastically once they got to like me.
Your swimming girl is one of those. Some other girls are a bit shy and need a few tequilas to become a bit wild (but not too many).
I understand now. Barfines are a complete waste of money and goes 100% yo the middleman. No wonder I don't understand because I always did FL with the occasional massage place when in Thailand.Don't be silly. In an Oily you a similar amount to the house for the massage. The girl gets nothing of the 800 Baht massage fee for example. Or in a typical all inclusive price, the girl typically gets 1400 and house gets the rest. Then they rip the girl off for prices of condoms, soaps, oils, etc.
In Annies the girl gets much less than 1400 of the all inclusive price. The house is taking a lot. For guys that don't tip extra, the girl is faced with hard work for a very low fee maybe 1 K.
Freelancers is a way to avoid extra fees. I don't use them though, except maybe some secret liasons with girls outside their workplace. However I don't regard them as freelancers so much.
Uncle Volodya
06-13-15, 12:18
Uncle V, I know you are a big fan of Insomnia over in Pat. That is a pretty good place and I look forward to going there in late September. I know I am going to meet some charming FL girls there aside from all the great Go Go girls I will also have the pleasure of.
My MO in BKK is different. I mostly hit oily parlors in the afternoon and Go Go's in the early evening between 8 pm and 10 pm. When I get tired of the Go Go circuit I change off and go to my favorite Soapies and then hit the Go Go's afterwards. LOL. Staying as I do on Soi 11 a lot, I always check out Climax and Levels later in the evening, but I must confess that I am not a big fan. Climax is too dark and the girl quality is spotty IMHO. Levels is higher class, but a majority of the girls are either already with guys or not P4 P so the place is unreliable. I also make an annual pilgrimage to Spasso and Mixx. The FL Spasso girls are generally older and expensive, but usually very nice. Still, I sometimes can't believe how many dudes show up there for what is available considering the cost and the quality. Then there are a number of very good dance clubs away from Sukhumvit like Demo off Ekkamai, the clubs on RCA Alley, the Pimp Sister ect. But to tell you the truth, I usually only go to these places with a girl and her girlfriends, not to pick one up because by 11:30 pm to 1 am I have already made my selection for the evening and am happy. But ask me about FL bars and clubs in Jakarta and you will get a different answer. I love CJ's.Thanks for the rundown on the BKK FL and club scene. You are always a font of knowledge for this "grasshopper". 555.
Your BKK MO sounds smart. I really don't like going to clubs every night of the week and staying out till all hours. I guess I m getting old. For me the point of the club is to meet FL girls I can call later on. I don't mind repeating if the girl is hot and we have good chemistry. Though I like variety too, I am not obsessed with padding my stats like some guys. I average about 7 girls per 2 week to 10 day trip and repeat with maybe 2 of them.
The more you pay for sex, the worst the service. Why is that? In Thai culture, how they treat you is based on your status in life. The lower your status, the worst they treat you. So how do most Thais now view Western sex tourist? You guessed it, on the low end of society. Thus, even if you pay 5,000 to 6,000 to a soi bar girl, she will still treat you like crap.
Excellent point, Undercover. Many Westerners do not realize their status here - it is LOW. And it is particularly low for the Western sex tourist, though not for the reason one might think. Its less a moral judgement on mongering and more a critique of the type of girls Westerners are perceived go after - dark skinned, impolite, raucous.
It may have been a bit different 30-40 years ago, but nowadays their natural dislike of foreigners (particularly foreigners of other races) has been liberated by their relatively higher development/GDP-per-capita level.
My favourite was Kae, who worked many years in [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) before she quit and ended up in Kasalong around the corner. She was great, but last time I was in Bangkok, in February this year, she was not there and her colleague told me she stop. Anyone has any recomendations of other girls?
Somewhere15
06-13-15, 20:30
I just returned to Europe after two months in Bangkok.
Mostly I met with "former" contact from visits before that I found true Thaifriendly and / or Craiglist and of course I am building up new contacts for refreshment. Stayed two months in Bangkok and had a reasonable number of girls in my apartment and only gave one time a girl 500 THB for taxi money (unasked and around 2:00 AM in the morning).
Some weeks ago I met a 30+ years old girl at the Hyatt on a Friday evening late (actually it was already Saturday morning). She was around 5 ft8/175 cm, dressed in a black dress and she spoke very good English.
We met at the smoking place and started conversation, she told me she didn't want to go into because on Friday and Saturday they have a 800 or 900 THB ticket entrance policy for girls (and some unknown male visitors).
I was standing at the smoking area with a Heineken and she asked where I wanted to go. I said that I would go to my place (Sukhumvite Asok) but that I would like to check out Levels before.
She was not from Bangkok but came only to BKK sometimes when she needed some extra cash.
She didn't now Levels and invited my offer to buy here a drink there so in the taxi to Soi 11 we continued the conversation including some cuddling and quick kissing.
At Levels, which was really packed on this Friday night, I bought here a drink and quickly we split. Around 30 minutes later I was talking to another sweety that I now from face, she came accross and winked to me. I told the other girl that I needed to go to the toilet and my "Spasso" girl said I am going back to Spasso because I can't work here.
We exchanged line accounts and we split.
Two days later Sunday afternoon we had line contact.
She told me that she was "unlucky" as she didn't had nobody the Friday and not on the Saturday, she said I try again tonight knowing that at midnight the alcohol ban would be in place.
I invited her for a dinner in the early Sunday evening. From the conversation before I did not want to ask here to come over to my place (sure I was horny enough but I could get the same for free or nearly free; so why would I.).
Today she messaged me: yesterday evening she met a German male and she told me she was lucky.
After my question: tell me more. She said the German guy paid her Euro 300.
I asked what you had to do for that and she said two times sex with him (and I assume she stayed over for the night).
WTF a German visitor (he stayed at the Marriott) paid her 300 Euro (which is more than THB 11.000) plus 500 THB in local currency for taxi.
I don't want to say that he was stupid.
If he would met this girl in Cologne, Berlin or Stuttgart and she would go with him and stayed over for a night, with two time sex, 300 Euro's would be cheap.
But guys please: take in mind that most girls (even who work in Spasso) sometimes do not earn THB 11.000 in one month (and they have to work 6 days a week for that).
This girl would have had (based on my former conversation) also accept THB 5. 000 for the same service.
Just my two.
Crocodilexp
06-14-15, 07:07
Many Westerners do not realize their status here - it is LOW... It may have been a bit different 30-40 years ago, but nowadays their natural dislike of foreigners (particularly foreigners of other races) has been liberated by their relatively higher development/GDP-per-capita level.
It was significantly different only 10 years ago. Few days back I was eating at a streetside restaurant in Bangkok (non-monger area), and the waitress barely uttered a word or spared a look while getting the order. No "ka" when speaking to me but she used it when talking to her colleague (so she's pointedly disrespectful, not just too lazy). Not at all uncommon these days. On average, Thais are way less respectful to foreigners than even just 10 years ago, let alone further back.
I wasn't there with a woman (ugly or otherwise), and I don't think there's much we can do about this. As you said it's inherent racism liberated by better economy, plus too many Westerners living in Thailand these days.
Engine Driver
06-14-15, 07:39
It was significantly different only 10 years ago. Few days back I was eating at a streetside restaurant in Bangkok (non-monger area), and the waitress barely uttered a word or spared a look while getting the order. No "ka" when speaking to me but she used it when talking to her colleague (so she's pointedly disrespectful, not just too lazy). Not at all uncommon these days. On average, Thais are way less respectful to foreigners than even just 10 years ago, let alone further back.
I wasn't there with a woman (ugly or otherwise), and I don't think there's much we can do about this. As you said it's inherent racism liberated by better economy, plus too many Westerners living in Thailand these days.Many in the tourist areas become hardened.
The country's economic success has financially liberated many Thais and given everyone a sense of confidence. Their national infrastructure projects (rail, air and road) have contributed considerably to the wealth of the people. (Compare this with the PI). The Thais also take pride in that the last time anyone invaded them was over 250 years ago when the Burmese briefly conquered the Thai armies in the north. They escaped colonisation by the British and invasion by the Japanese which is a great source of national pride. On the way they also missed out on learning English and a well functioning bureaucracy, government and legal system.
It's amusing to see the tension between the Indian tourists and Thais in Pattaya and Bangkok. The Indians look down on the Thais because much of Thai language, religion and culture comes from India when Asoka brought Buddhism to Thailand. The Indians also look down on the Thais because they can't speak English and they equate this with low intelligence. The Thais naturally dislike the Indians because they are dark skinned, cheap, always looking for bargains and refuse to play by the established rules of mongering. I don't like seeing tourists behaving badly when abroad and some of the behaviour by Indians is disgraceful, but I chuckle knowing its about time someone shook the status-quo.
It was significantly different only 10 years ago. Few days back I was eating at a streetside restaurant in Bangkok (non-monger area), and the waitress barely uttered a word or spared a look while getting the order. No "ka" when speaking to me but she used it when talking to her colleague (so she's pointedly disrespectful, not just too lazy). Not at all uncommon these days. On average, Thais are way less respectful to foreigners than even just 10 years ago, let alone further back.
I wasn't there with a woman (ugly or otherwise), and I don't think there's much we can do about this. As you said it's inherent racism liberated by better economy, plus too many Westerners living in Thailand these days.I normally don't get involved in this kind of discussion because I don't think it adds any constructive value to this forum. However reading all the negative comments I wonder if I live in the same city that is being discussed here.
Of course Bangkok in 2015 is different to Bangkok in 1982 when I came here for the first time. As an expat on my third tour of duty in Thailand I find the city has improved immeasurably.
It is true that Thais working the common tourist spots are no longer fawning over Western tourists and have taken on the same bad attitude one expects to encounter from any other rip off tourist spot around the world. But who is to blame. I see some Western tourists here and I cringe and often feel embarrassed to be a Farang. They run around Bangkok like they are still on the beach in Pattaya (which has become a hell hole due to unrestricted bucket and spade tourism) Thais will react the way they are treated and certainly don't like that colonial bullshit that Western tourists think they can lord around. I have yet to encounter a local that hasn't reacted politely to me. Be it a street vendor, taxi driver or working girl. True, like Groat I have my regular girls. They are either from the known oilies or FL's I have met on WeChat. With them it is less a customer but more a friends with benefits relationship.
Fact is that the economic situation in Thailand has kept pace with the rest of the world and had it not been for the political strife economic growth would have overtaken Europe like most of Asia has. Infrastructure is a hell of a lot better today than it was in the "golden" years. And aside from WG's there are plenty of horny business ladies these days that have the confidence to chose a bed partner for a night because they want to and not because you give a couple of Baht. Luckily the general Western hang ups about sex have not yet reached the Thai culture. Therefore from my view point, life in Bangkok is great and I am always glad to return after a trip to the USA Which is a hell hole for mongers or Europe where it feels like assembly line sex.
It was significantly different only 10 years ago. Few days back I was eating at a streetside restaurant in Bangkok (non-monger area), and the waitress barely uttered a word or spared a look while getting the order. No "ka" when speaking to me but she used it when talking to her colleague (so she's pointedly disrespectful, not just too lazy). Not at all uncommon these days. On average, Thais are way less respectful to foreigners than even just 10 years ago, let alone further back.
I wasn't there with a woman (ugly or otherwise), and I don't think there's much we can do about this. As you said it's inherent racism liberated by better economy, plus too many Westerners living in Thailand these days.What you describe may well be racism but OTOH the way people in the service industries treat their customers in the US has also deteriorated over the last decade or so and that is not because of racism but rather general cultural changes that many of us are bothered by. For example, when purchasing something in a store, rather than say "thank you" when they take your money many cashiers just grab it and ignore you. So while Thais may be way less respectful to foreigners than they were 10 or more years ago, many Americans tend to be way less respectful of Americans than they were then too.
AussieDoug
06-14-15, 12:09
Many in the tourist areas become hardened.
Thais also take pride in that the last time anyone invaded them was over 250 years ago when the Burmese briefly conquered the Thai armies in the north. They escaped colonisation by the British and invasion by the Japanese which is a great source of national pride. On the way they also missed out on learning English and a well functioning bureaucracy, government and legal system.
It's amusing to see the tension between the Indian tourists and Thais in Pattaya and Bangkok. .That's a benevolent view of history as told by the Thai people. Basically Thailand missed out on colonisation because it had nothing the colonial powers wanted, the poms had a potato famine, not a rice famine, and they would be difficult to rule, even one of the thai kings brought in indians as tax collectors because ke knew he would see very little of the actual collections. In the second world war it was not invaded by the japanese, the japanese were simply invited in by the thais. Thailand would have wound up like Japan after the second world war except the french moaned on about it as they had a foot in Cambodia and Vietnam, and did not want a comparison to the pitfalls of colonisation next door. A Thailand that followed Japan's experience after WW2 would have been an economic success much earlier.
Wolvenvacht
06-14-15, 12:21
They escaped colonisation by the British and invasion by the Japanese which is a great source of national pride.IThe British were never really interested in Thailand.
The French have always been a bigger threath. Have a look at Bangok's Victory Monument. The Thai put that up after they LOST the naval battle of Kho Chang against the French in January 1941. Imagine what kind of monument they would have put up if they won. LOL.
And the Japanese? Officially neutral until the Japanese actually invaded Thailand, Thailand agreed to let Japanese troops pass their country after a few hours of fighting (later the Thai Government "explained" that the arrival of the Japanese was all planned and agreed beforehand) and then Thailand declared war on the Allies. So I suppose, if you allow them to travel through your country, it is not an "invasion" and the 150,000 Japanese troops that were stationed in Thailand were only tourists.
Incidentally, the Thai Ambassador to the US refused to hand in the Thai declaration of war and the USA therefore considered itself not at war with Thailand. After the war, Thailand made peace treaties with the UK and Australia, but that has not been necessary with the USA.
Undercoverh
06-14-15, 17:12
As I read the post here from all the unhappy guys dealing with the BS from girls and MP in BKk, I am here to let you know you do not have to put up with all the BS in Bkk. Others girls in other countries will treat you better. I am just back from 4 days in Malaysia, Kulala Lumpur. The girls at the MP, called Spas, were excellent, far better then the Thai girl MP. Also, the mama service level was higher. And, it was cheaper. I know this is not the Malaysia section, but my point is this. If Bkk is not meeting your expectations for sexual enjoyment, check out other countries, many are far better then Bkk.
Bkk is living off its reputation of the past. The Bkk of today, and Thailand for that matter, is not the best place for men like us. The good news is, there are lots of other Asian countries that will welcome you with open legs!
As I read the post here from all the unhappy guys dealing with the BS from girls and MP in BKk, I am here to let you know you do not have to put up with all the BS in Bkk. Others girls in other countries will treat you better. I am just back from 4 days in Malaysia, Kulala Lumpur. The girls at the MP, called Spas, were excellent, far better then the Thai girl MP. Also, the mama service level was higher. And, it was cheaper. I know this is not the Malaysia section, but my point is this. If Bkk is not meeting your expectations for sexual enjoyment, check out other countries, many are far better then Bkk.
Bkk is living off its reputation of the past. The Bkk of today, and Thailand for that matter, is not the best place for men like us. The good news is, there are lots of other Asian countries that will welcome you with open legs!Well stated. Yes, fun can be had in KL. Of course some of us have gals and other ties here in BKK and that keeps us hanging on. Personally if I did not have any ties I would be looking at not only other Asian countries, but other parts of the world as well.
Undercoverh
06-15-15, 01:55
How many times have you been in Bkk and some Thai girl complains or makes a comment about your larger size di_k. Or, you have been in a go go bar or MP and the Thai girls do not even look at you, because they fear the Western man's larger size cock. Have you been made to feel having a larger size cock in Bkk is a sin!
Or, have you been told by a Thai girl that you f_ck too long. Or worest, tell you to hurry up and finish. Well, I have encounter all these BS problems over the many years I have lived in Bkk and I am f_cken tired of it. But, there is good news to this story. I am just back from a trip to Kuala Lumpur and Jakarta. Had fun in both places, but what stood out in Jakarta Spas, e. g. , Classic Hotel Spa, was that the girls I was with (5 in 3 days) loved to f_ck and they loved a man with a larger then average size di_k. Wow, what I happy relief from the Bkk BS I hear from the BKk girls. Also, the Jakarta sex was better then any sex I have had in Bkk in a long time, plus the price was cheaper them Bkk MP or Go Gos and the service was way better. And in Jakarta, non of the surcharge BS many Thai MP charge. The service was very good from the mama at the MP, or Spa as it is called in Jakarta, and I was made to feel like I was an important customer to them...unlike Bkks MPs or Go Go bars.
I know this is a Bkk post section, but consider this a public service announcemnet:
If you tired of the Bkk girls who complain about your di_k size in Bkk, head to Jakaarta, where the girls there love to f_ck and they enjoy big di_ks. I am not kidding about this. Also, I like the looks of the Jakarta girls better then the Thai girls. So many Thai girls in Bkk think they are hot shit hookers. But the Jakarta girls are just as cute and do not have an attitude. As I have always said, if Bkk is not meeting your sexual expectaitons, go somewhere else that appricates you. I will for sure be heading back to Jakarta. And when I retire from wokring in Bkk, I will be leaving and heading to Jakarta.
And if you are worried it is a Muslim country, need not worry. I was there and everyone I met was nice and I never had a problem. And for sure, the Big MPs, or Spas as they call them in Jakarta, provided a much higher customer service level then any MP your will find in Bkk.
How many times have you been in Bkk and some Thai girl complains or makes a comment about your larger size di_k. Or, you have been in a go go bar or MP and the Thai girls do not even look at you, because they fear the Western man's larger size cock. Have you been made to feel having a larger size cock in Bkk is a sin!
Or, have you been told by a Thai girl that you f_ck too long. Or worest, tell you to hurry up and finish. Well, I have encounter all these BS problems over the many years I have lived in Bkk and I am f_cken tired of it. But, there is good news to this story. I am just back from a trip to Kuala Lumpur and Jakarta. Had fun in both places, but what stood out in Jakarta Spas, e. g. , Classic Hotel Spa, was that the girls I was with (5 in 3 days) loved to f_ck and they loved a man with a larger then average size di_k. Wow, what I happy relief from the Bkk BS I hear from the BKk girls. Also, the Jakarta sex was better then any sex I have had in Bkk in a long time, plus the price was cheaper them Bkk MP or Go Gos and the service was way better. And in Jakarta, non of the surcharge BS many Thai MP charge. The service was very good from the mama at the MP, or Spa as it is called in Jakarta, and I was made to feel like I was an important customer to them...unlike Bkks MPs or Go Go bars.
I know this is a Bkk post section, but consider this a public service announcemnet:
If you tired of the Bkk girls who complain about your di_k size in Bkk, head to Jakaarta, where the girls there love to f_ck and they enjoy big di_ks. I am not kidding about this. Also, I like the looks of the Jakarta girls better then the Thai girls. So many Thai girls in Bkk think they are hot shit hookers. But the Jakarta girls are just as cute and do not have an attitude. As I have always said, if Bkk is not meeting your sexual expectaitons, go somewhere else that appricates you. I will for sure be heading back to Jakarta. And when I retire from wokring in Bkk, I will be leaving and heading to Jakarta.
And if you are worried it is a Muslim country, need not worry. I was there and everyone I met was nice and I never had a problem. And for sure, the Big MPs, or Spas as they call them in Jakarta, provided a much higher customer service level then any MP your will find in Bkk.I rotate between Bangkok and Jakarta and have for the last 15 years. I can tell you that this is not accurate. As a matter of fact, I have had more problems in Jakarta for being a white guy than I ever had in Bangkok. I don't know which places you visited (other than Hotel Classic - which is a horrible place for a good fuck most times. They accept white guys, but I've had more starfishes there and Hotel Travel than anywhere I've ever been), but there are places in Jakarta where the girls won't even consider going with a white guy due to fear he has a large penis. If you had 5 good girls at Hotel Classic, that's about the same number of good fucks I have had there in the 10 years I've been going there, and I've tried over 100 of them. I have far more success at Soi Cowboy or Nana than I have ever had at Hotel Classic. Hell, I was recently in Bangkok and had a girl at Teen Massage on soi 33 and she was awesome, I walked out telling my buddy from Jakarta "you won't find anything that good at Hotel Classic! Damn I miss Bangkok.". Just like Bangkok, it depends on the place and the girl. I've had good girls in both Bangkok and Jakarta (and pretty much everywhere else in the world), but I've been turned down for being white (due to fear of dick size) far far more times in Jakarta than in Bangkok. If you want women who pretty much always prefer men with larger penises, try American women and African women.
If you had some good luck on your visit, that's great. But I would not assume that Jakarta is better than Bangkok for that, because in my experience, it is not. I'd say they are pretty much equivalent. And the girls rotate where they are better in Bangkok on occasion and then they are better in Jakarta on occasion (depending on the venues you visit and luck you have with the girls you meet). Just like Nana is better than Soi Cowboy at times, and vice-versa.
I just returned to Europe after two months in Bangkok.
Mostly I met with "former" contact from visits before that I found true Thaifriendly and / or Craiglist and of course I am building up new contacts for refreshment. Stayed two months in Bangkok and had a reasonable number of girls in my apartment and only gave one time a girl 500 THB for taxi money (unasked and around 2:00 AM in the morning).
Some weeks ago I met a 30+ years old girl at the Hyatt on a Friday evening late (actually it was already Saturday morning). She was around 5 ft8/175 cm, dressed in a black dress and she spoke very good English.
We met at the smoking place and started conversation, she told me she didn't want to go into because on Friday and Saturday they have a 800 or 900 THB ticket entrance policy for girls (and some unknown male visitors).
I was standing at the smoking area with a Heineken and she asked where I wanted to go. I said that I would go to my place (Sukhumvite Asok) but that I would like to check out Levels before.
She was not from Bangkok but came only to BKK sometimes when she needed some extra cash.
She didn't now Levels and invited my offer to buy here a drink there so in the taxi to Soi 11 we continued the conversation including some cuddling and quick kissing.
At Levels, which was really packed on this Friday night, I bought here a drink and quickly we split. Around 30 minutes later I was talking to another sweety that I now from face, she came accross and winked to me. I told the other girl that I needed to go to the toilet and my "Spasso" girl said I am going back to Spasso because I can't work here.
We exchanged line accounts and we split.
Two days later Sunday afternoon we had line contact.
She told me that she was "unlucky" as she didn't had nobody the Friday and not on the Saturday, she said I try again tonight knowing that at midnight the alcohol ban would be in place.
I invited her for a dinner in the early Sunday evening. From the conversation before I did not want to ask here to come over to my place (sure I was horny enough but I could get the same for free or nearly free; so why would I.).
Today she messaged me: yesterday evening she met a German male and she told me she was lucky.
After my question: tell me more. She said the German guy paid her Euro 300.
I asked what you had to do for that and she said two times sex with him (and I assume she stayed over for the night).
WTF a German visitor (he stayed at the Marriott) paid her 300 Euro (which is more than THB 11.000) plus 500 THB in local currency for taxi.
I don't want to say that he was stupid.
If he would met this girl in Cologne, Berlin or Stuttgart and she would go with him and stayed over for a night, with two time sex, 300 Euro's would be cheap.
But guys please: take in mind that most girls (even who work in Spasso) sometimes do not earn THB 11.000 in one month (and they have to work 6 days a week for that).
This girl would have had (based on my former conversation) also accept THB 5. 000 for the same service.
Just my two.Your advice is not worth 2 centavos sir. You chase free pussy and at best paid for one taxi ride of 500 baht. Your punting advice is like asking an electrician for plumbing advice.
That's my 2 cents
Undercoverh
06-15-15, 05:05
I rotate between Bangkok and Jakarta and have for the last 15 years. I can tell you that this is not accurate. As a matter of fact, I have had more problems in Jakarta for being a white guy than I ever had in Bangkok. I don't know which places you visited (other than Hotel Classic - which is a horrible place for a good fuck most times. They accept white guys, but I've had more starfishes there and Hotel Travel than anywhere I've ever been), but there are places in Jakarta where the girls won't even consider going with a white guy due to fear he has a large penis. If you had 5 good girls at Hotel Classic, that's about the same number of good fucks I have had there in the 10 years I've been going there, and I've tried over 100 of them. I have far more success at Soi Cowboy or Nana than I have ever had at Hotel Classic. Hell, I was recently in Bangkok and had a girl at Teen Massage on soi 33 and she was awesome, I walked out telling my buddy from Jakarta "you won't find anything that good at Hotel Classic! Damn I miss Bangkok.". Just like Bangkok, it depends on the place and the girl. I've had good girls in both Bangkok and Jakarta (and pretty much everywhere else in the world), but I've been turned down for being white (due to fear of dick size) far far more times in Jakarta than in Bangkok. If you want women who pretty much always prefer men with larger penises, try American women and African women.
If you had some good luck on your visit, that's great. But I would not assume that Jakarta is better than Bangkok for that, because in my experience, it is not. I'd say they are pretty much equivalent. And the girls rotate where they are better in Bangkok on occasion and then they are better in Jakarta on occasion (depending on the venues you visit and luck you have with the girls you meet). Just like Nana is better than Soi Cowboy at times, and vice-versa.Often times, I forget to put a disclaimer on my post, which is "your mileage may vary. " Which means, the experience I had in a city or country may not be the same experience the next guy will have in that same city or country. Also, I am not white, so I cannot relate to the issues you had. However, it was a white expat friend that suggested I try Jakarta. He loves Jakarta and is currently retired their after working in Bkk. So we have two men of the same color with completely different outcomes. As for me, I have not had any issues or problems in Jakarta and I have been accepted at the places I go to in Jakarta and treated very well.
You are assuming because you had a bad time in Jakarta, everyone will have the exact same experience as you did. Of course, that is not ture. What you experienced in Jakarta is accurate for you, but it does not apply to all other men who visit there. Asia ofers tons of sex options for men, if one country does not fit a guys needs, I always recommend trying another country until you find something you like.
Another factor that affects the sexual relathionship with hookers, is the guy himself. How does he look, how does he smell, how does he dress, how does he interact with the girl. Is he nice or aggressive. Is he rude or poltie, etc. I do not know you and I cannot pass judgement. However, my white expat friend in Jakarta is a businessman, well dressed, middle aged, tall and well built. Again, based on his high recommendations to me about Jakarta and his feedback, he never mentioned any issues with being whitle or being turned down because of his color. It was just the opposite, that is, he had a great time with the girls at, for example, Classic Hotel Spa, and he was a regular customer.
Since this is a Bkk post, I will not provide anymore information regarding the topic of Jakarta here.
Crocodilexp
06-15-15, 06:17
If you tired of the Bkk girls who complain about your di_k size in Bkk, head to JakartaBangkok is way more friendly than Jakarta. I have limited experience in Jakarta, but places like Classic and Travel are basically full of mafia-owned semi-slaves (and I'm not quick on that judgement). They have zero choice whatsoever in who they sleep, cannot go out for a holiday with you for a few days, and get about 100k of your 350k fee for the session. I can't believe you actually liked the mamasans there, they were pushy as hell and completely inconsiderate when I was there, basically relentless in pushing a girl onto me within 20 sec of entering the place, without my input at all.
Sure, Jakarta is cheaper, has way better looking girls and at several places there service is more standardized, due to heavier enforcement. Bangkok is more relaxed, and at least they mostly come and go as they please.
I have a feeling I'd get bored of Jakarta hookers rather quickly, the numbers are there, but far less range / depth / potential.
One thing Jakarta is surely better for is regular girls. White guys are still very much in demand and you can snag a great looking middle class GF who can hold a conversation and is interesting beyond bed, even if you're in your 40's or 50's. In Bangkok online dating scene, it's mostly floozies or damaged goods for the Farang (although the type of damage may not be obvious at first).
Bangkok is way more friendly than Jakarta. I have limited experience in Jakarta, but places like Classic and Travel are basically full of mafia-owned semi-slaves (and I'm not quick on that judgement). They have zero choice whatsoever in who they sleep, cannot go out for a holiday with you for a few days, and get about 100k of your 350k fee for the session. I can't believe you actually liked the mamasans there, they were pushy as hell and completely inconsiderate when I was there, basically relentless in pushing a girl onto me within 20 sec of entering the place, without my input at all.
Sure, Jakarta is cheaper, has way better looking girls and at several places there service is more standardized, due to heavier enforcement. Bangkok is more relaxed, and at least they mostly come and go as they please.
I have a feeling I'd get bored of Jakarta hookers rather quickly, the numbers are there, but far less range / depth / potential.
One thing Jakarta is surely better for is regular girls. White guys are still very much in demand and you can snag a great looking middle class GF who can hold a conversation and is interesting beyond bed, even if you're in your 40's or 50's. In Bangkok online dating scene, it's mostly floozies or damaged goods for the Farang (although the type of damage may not be obvious at first).One of the problems with these comparisons between Jakarta and Bangkok (and I'm referring to those of a number of posters here, not just Crocodilexp) is unless one is familiar with the whole range of venues in Jakarta (or Bangkok) any comparison between the two cities' scenes is limited by the small slice experienced by the poster. For example, there has been a focus in the recent posts in this thread on Classic and Travel in Jakarta. Despite that I have spent a few hundred days in Jakarta over the course of the last few years, I rarely frequent either place owing to the on average rather poor service there relative to other places in Jakarta, perhaps, in part, owing to what Crocodilexp says about them. Regarding service and friendliness they are the worst Jakarta has to offer. It would be like condemning the service levels in Bangkok by what one experiences at Nataree rather than at the PSE oilies. It just doesn't compute.
I honestly cannot say there is more racism directed at western mongers in Indonesia than Thailand. I also honestly cannot say the reverse. I suppose if I spent my time frequenting those soapies with huge farang surcharges in Bangkok I would say Thailand is more racist. OTOH, if I spent a lot of time at the now deceased Dolly's in Surabaya, where many of the places would not service bules (foreigners) I would say Indonesia. Frankly, I have experienced some but not much racism in both Jakarta and Bangkok although I tend to think in Jakarta the girls at some establishments (particularly those who do not speak any English) may simply be shying away from something unfamiliar, whereas in Bangkok it may be more calculated (e.g. , thinking westerners take too long, etc.).
But if one moves away from the issue of racism, I have found both Thais and Indonesians generally friendly although the edge goes to the Indonesians, in part because their friendliness seems more genuine and less reserved. But others may have different reactions.
Sure, Jakarta is cheaper, has way better looking girls.Personally, I think Thai girls are better looking than Indo girls on the average. I've lived in Jakarta for 15 years though, and spent 6 months in Indonesia and only maybe 3 months in Thailand each year during that time, so maybe Thai girls are a bit more exotic for me. I spend 1. 5 million rupiah per night in Jakarta and 3,600 baht per night for a similar girl in Bangkok so the price is about the same.
Undercoverh
06-15-15, 17:03
After reading the feedback here about places like Travel and Classic, I checked the recent post in the Jakarta section going back one month. The post were not by me and I do not know the men who made the post. As you can read for yourself, the comments were generally good to very good about, for example, Classic Spa (which is way cheaper then most Bkk MPs). In fact, one white guy wrote that white guys are still in demand in Jakarta. An Aussie wrote, he actually prefer Jakarta over Bangkok.
So, for whatever reason, we have two groups of men. Men who like Bkk over Jakarta. And men who like Jakarta over BKk. But this is just fine because with so many sexual services in Asia, every men is free to seek out which country provides the best sex service for him.
Crocodilexp
06-15-15, 18:40
One of the problems with these comparisons between Jakarta and Bangkok... any comparison between the two cities' scenes is limited by the small slice experienced by the poster. That's a very good point. I'm not making definite judgements, only offering personal experience. Have been in Bangkok for many years, but my experience in Jakarta is limited to a number of sessions at Travel / Classic / Kalijodo, plus a disappointing visit to near-empty Top Gun. Didn't really care to go to any of the 1 M++ rupiah (2500++ THB) places, at that point it's more worthwhile for me to get dates with civilians (I'm fortunate to be in my 40's so that's not off the table).
However, given the marked decline of Bangkok (across all scenes), comparisons are definitely interesting / relevant, and it's good to hear various perspectives.
Personally, I think Thai girls are better looking than Indo girls on the average. I've lived in Jakarta for 15 years though, and spent 6 months in Indonesia and only maybe 3 months in Thailand each year during that time, so maybe Thai girls are a bit more exotic for me.
My situation is the exact inverse. Many years in Thailand, not much time in Jakarta, and Indos seem more exotic.
One thing that seems objective is that Jakarta prostitutes are much better looking relative to the looks of the general population (even at lower end places) compared to Bangkok. Over the last few years, in Bangkok prostitution venues I have a feeling I'm sifting through the bottom of the barrel of Thai women looks-wise (hell, even some street vendors look more attractive these days). In Indonesia I don't think that's the case. Sure, Classic/Travel girls are a more frumpy than the mall girls, but not that much.
That's a very good point. I'm not making definite judgements, only offering personal experience. Have been in Bangkok for many years, but my experience in Jakarta is limited to a number of sessions at Travel / Classic / Kalijodo, plus a disappointing visit to near-empty Top Gun. Didn't really care to go to any of the 1 M++ rupiah (2500++ THB) places, at that point it's more worthwhile for me to get dates with civilians (I'm fortunate to be in my 40's so that's not off the table).
However, given the marked decline of Bangkok (across all scenes), comparisons are definitely interesting / relevant, and it's good to hear various perspectives.
My situation is the exact inverse. Many years in Thailand, not much time in Jakarta, and Indos seem more exotic.
One thing that seems objective is that Jakarta prostitutes are much better looking relative to the looks of the general population (even at lower end places) compared to Bangkok. Over the last few years, in Bangkok prostitution venues I have a feeling I'm sifting through the bottom of the barrel of Thai women looks-wise (hell, even some street vendors look more attractive these days). In Indonesia I don't think that's the case. Sure, Classic/Travel girls are a more frumpy than the mall girls, but not that much.Overall I have found the "looks" of BKK working girls to be in decline for quite a time. And of course the scene in general has declined big time, markedly since the floods of '11. That being said I don't think I could live in Jakarta. It is a real pain in the ass to get around and I think the food is far better in BKK.
P4 P the PSE oilies seem to be going through a bit of a resurgence. There are more gals and the service is a bit more consistent with times past. Perhaps with fewer customers (many gals at the shops are complaining) they are finally realizing that service will be what makes or breaks them.
Banana Boi
06-16-15, 03:03
You guys definitely aren't doing a good job at motivating new guys going to BKK. Maybe I'll skip BKK altogether. Never seen so much negativity before. Oh wait, yes I have. Sirioja in the Germany FKK threads.
You guys definitely aren't doing a good job at motivating new guys going to BKK. Maybe I'll skip BKK altogether. Never seen so much negativity before. Oh wait, yes I have. Sirioja in the Germany FKK threads.Hey, don't get me wrong. BKK is a great city to visit. The food is awesome, the city is vibrant (although not as much so since the coup), there are great looking gals everywhere you go, and there are P4 P opportunities. You will have a good time. Those of us that "complain" simply have wonderful memories of a far better time and are sometimes sad that it is not as fun as it used be.
Tony Hoeprano
06-16-15, 03:56
Another factor that affects the sexual relathionship with hookers, is the guy himself. How does he look, how does he smell, how does he dress, how does he interact with the girl. Is he nice or aggressive. Is he rude or poltie, etc. .Well golly gee willakers, that clears everything up. I've been doing it wrong all these years. Next time I'll try changing into clean underwear and taking the time and effort of wiping my ass after I take a shit. You give good advice, maybe you should write a book on how to get what you want when you order food at a restaurant.
I surmise it would go something like this:
Another factor in getting the food you want in a restaurant is to sit down, don't speak so loudly as to intrude on other guests. Read the menu carefully, ask what the soup of the day is. If you are a senior citizen, ask them if they offer a senior citzen discount. If you need more time to decide, ask the server for more time. When it is time to order the food, tell the server what you want, if you are ordering a steak, be sure to tell them how you want it cooked.
Beijing4987
06-16-15, 04:09
Goat Scrot.
You are a wise man!
Robert Long
06-16-15, 04:28
Well golly gee willakers, that clears everything up. I've been doing it wrong all these years. Next time I'll try changing into clean underwear and taking the time and effort of wiping my ass after I take a shit. You give good advice, maybe you should write a book on how to get what you want when you order food at a restaurant.
I surmise it would go something like this:
Another factor in getting the food you want in a restaurant is to sit down, don't speak so loudly as to intrude on other guests. Read the menu carefully, ask what the soup of the day is. If you are a senior citizen, ask them if they offer a senior citzen discount. If you need more time to decide, ask the server for more time. When it is time to order the food, tell the server what you want, if you are ordering a steak, be sure to tell them how you want it cooked.I stayed at the Narai Hotel on Silom Rd for a few days. They have contracted with Chinese tour groups. What an experience that was. The Chinese are LOUD when they talk to each other, they push and cut in front at the buffet lines. Even when they are talking on their HP they yell.
I will never stay there again. Japanese, Thai, and most travelers are shocked at the Chinese rudeness. I guess when your one in a billion and one half people, it causes you to be very aggressive.
So my point is Tony that being considerate of others, even a WG that is trying to feed her family, that a little kindness goes a long way.
RL.
I stayed at the Narai Hotel on Silom Rd for a few days. They have contracted with Chinese tour groups. What an experience that was. The Chinese are LOUD when they talk to each other, they push and cut in front at the buffet lines. Even when they are talking on their HP they yell.
I will never stay there again. Japanese, Thai, and most travelers are shocked at the Chinese rudeness. I guess when your one in a billion and one half people, it causes you to be very aggressive.
So my point is Tony that being considerate of others, even a WG that is trying to feed her family, that a little kindness goes a long way.
RL.Honestly, they have kind of ruined traveling in Asia for me. Loud, rude, obnoxious, and lots of them. I'm lines at DM used to be no problem. Now it is another story. It is the tour groups that are the problem. The mainland families and individual tourists are no issue what so ever. In fact, they seem just as appalled as we do with the bad behavior. Sadly until the bubble bursts we will have to deal with this scourge while traveling in Asia.
You guys definitely aren't doing a good job at motivating new guys going to BKK. Maybe I'll skip BKK altogether. Never seen so much negativity before. Oh wait, yes I have. Sirioja in the Germany FKK threads.Although it is true that the range and quality of girls has gone down in the last 5 years I personally think the go-go scene has been the worst affected. Nowadays I way prefer to go to a massage place be it the oilies, soapy's or the hyper places in Ratchada. The overall experience just seems to be better and at a lower price.
Regards,
BJ
FreebieFan
06-16-15, 10:15
I stayed at the Narai Hotel on Silom Rd for a few days. They have contracted with Chinese tour groups. What an experience that was. The Chinese are LOUD when they talk to each other, they push and cut in front at the buffet lines. Even when they are talking on their HP they yell.
I will never stay there again. Japanese, Thai, and most travelers are shocked at the Chinese rudeness. I guess when your one in a billion and one half people, it causes you to be very aggressive.
RL.Try living amongst them (as I do!) . However they are deeply aware that the rest of the world looks on them with disdain. The papers in China regularly report about the shame that misbehaving tourists bring on China and so to stop all this, the China National Prevention of Bad Tourism amongst the Patriotic and Virtuous (OK I made that title up) had set up a black list. So if you cause a fight on a plane, threaten bombs on planes, kick temple bells, you will get placed on a blacklist. You won't be fined or punished, or stopped from flying. Just have your name placed on a bad boys list. Well that will surely stop the problem immediately then, right. Taiwan faced a similar sort of probelm many years ago, and wouldn't let its citizens travel outside Taiwan until they had undergone a 2 hour government mandated programme, that basically told people how to behave. Don't spit, don't shout, don't cut queues, don't don't don't. Now the Taiwanese can hardly be seen and certainly not heard. Unlike their brothers on the mainland who seem to compete to be the noisiest and unruliest.
Oh and try standing in line in BKK airport for a flight back to China as I did, with a model tall cute African lady as I recently did, and listen to racist, prejudiced, ignorant, abusive comments from the dumpy little jealous housewives.
Ralph Kramden
06-16-15, 14:15
I stayed at the Narai Hotel on Silom Rd for a few days. They have contracted with Chinese tour groups. What an experience that was. The Chinese are LOUD when they talk to each other, they push and cut in front at the buffet lines. Even when they are talking on their HP they yell.
I will never stay there again. Japanese, Thai, and most travelers are shocked at the Chinese rudeness. I guess when your one in a billion and one half people, it causes you to be very aggressive.
So my point is Tony that being considerate of others, even a WG that is trying to feed her family, that a little kindness goes a long way.
RL.I stayed at the Emerald Hotel on Rachadapisek last December which was full of them. Fortunately the hotel stuck them all in the old tower and the civilized people in the new tower. They are sometimes hard to avoid even in finer hotels.
Be sure to stay off smoking floors as well because they seem to like those.
Fast Eddie 48
06-16-15, 20:38
I stayed at the Emerald Hotel on Rachadapisek last December which was full of them. Fortunately the hotel stuck them all in the old tower and the civilized people in the new tower. They are sometimes hard to avoid even in finer hotels.
Be sure to stay off smoking floors as well because they seem to like those.To Ralph.
The Chinese middle class to growing you will see more and more tourist from China traveling to Asia and Europe, the Emerald hotel is near all the massage place in Rachada so Chinese like to stay there did they cut in front of you at the Nataree also.
Fast eddie 48.
the Emerald hotel is near all the massage place in Rachada so Chinese like to stay there did they cut in front of you at the Nataree also.
Fast eddie 48.Whenever I see Chinese in Thailand they don't seem to participate in sex tourism. I only see them in those big tour groups. Do they go to massage parlors, Nana, and Cowboy to find girls?
Whenever I see Chinese in Thailand they don't seem to participate in sex tourism. I only see them in those big tour groups. Do they go to massage parlors, Nana, and Cowboy to find girls?In the last 12 months I have noticed a considerable increase in the number of Chinese tourists coming to the Salon specifically. Before anyone jumps on the band wagon yes I know this is only one venue but it may be a general indicator of their increased willingness to participate in the sex industry.
Regards,
BJ
Whenever I see Chinese in Thailand they don't seem to participate in sex tourism. I only see them in those big tour groups. Do they go to massage parlors, Nana, and Cowboy to find girls?They have plenty of options in their home country and their girls are fairer skinned than Thais. They are not really an issue; yet. The lack of women in the country might start driving them here. Then it will be all over but the shouting.
Somewhere15
06-17-15, 13:57
Your advice is not worth 2 centavos sir. You chase free pussy and at best paid for one taxi ride of 500 baht. Your punting advice is like asking an electrician for plumbing advice.
That's my 2 centsI had a look to your postings in the Thailand Bangkok section over the last 6 months.
Excluding ONE posting (in the Pattaya section) all your postings are reply's to others contribution and mostly with non-saying one liners.
That brings your contribution (to me) in Bangkok Thailand section closer to 0 cents.
Hope to see in future constructive reports from you in the Thailand Bangkok section.
Thanks.
Ralph Kramden
06-17-15, 14:47
To Ralph.
The Chinese middle class to growing you will see more and more tourist from China traveling to Asia and Europe, the Emerald hotel is near all the massage place in Rachada so Chinese like to stay there did they cut in front of you at the Nataree also.
Fast eddie 48.I agree with Allover Eddie because I can say that I have never seen a Chinese in Nataree that I can recall. Plenty of Japanese of course and a few Koreans. Perhaps they can slip away in the evening after the tour bus returns but by then I have had my pleasure in the afternoon. Heaven forbid if they become hot sex tourists because then their horde will completely ruin it for many others. One other trick is to avoid them for breakfast. It is either well before the tour bus leaves or right after. I have rarely witnessed such barbaric manners when they are all together in one mob.
Traveler1234
06-17-15, 15:00
To Ralph.
The Chinese middle class to growing you will see more and more tourist from China traveling to Asia and Europe, the Emerald hotel is near all the massage place in Rachada so Chinese like to stay there did they cut in front of you at the Nataree also.
Fast eddie 48.The tourists from China are predominantly on budget tour groups and not big spenders per se. Most of the middle class with money to spend will make HK their primary stop and for sex Macau, LOL. But I don't want to over generalize. POV.
Fast Eddie 48
06-18-15, 02:14
The tourists from China are predominantly on budget tour groups and not big spenders per se. Most of the middle class with money to spend will make HK their primary stop and for sex Macau, LOL. But I don't want to over generalize. POV.To Traveler.
I agree Chinese don't over spend like the Japanese most are group tourist with the family, but there are sex tour group from Taiwan you see them all the time at massage place in Ratchada.
Fast eddie 48.
To Traveler.
I agree Chinese don't over spend like the Japanese most are group tourist with the family, but there are sex tour group from Taiwan you see them all the time at massage place in Ratchada.
Fast eddie 48.Story out today is the police chief favors legalizing casinos in Thailand and the PM is "not against it. " That happens and we will see more and more Chinese. Turn out the lights then.
Here are my quick & simple take outs:
Dr. BJ Bar:
Nothing extra ordinary or fancy. There are two reasons you are going to consider - 1) you just want to experience a BJ service from a BJ bar, and 2) you have nothing else to do. I visited the place and took the service for reason 1.
Dr. BJ Nuru:
The line-up girls are the same as advertised in the website, but the web pictures were taken years back, so please remember this. The massage was so so, and too much warm water than nuru gel. I can safely term this as warm water massage not nuru massage. The girl was playful and willful, and I enjoyed my time somehow.
Street-side Massage Places:
It is plenty in almost all the streets, girls sitting / standing outside with price list. You can have massage by paying 300-500 THB per hour or you can ask for other services upfront. FS is available in most of the cases with a standard charge of about 1000 THB / pop.
Massage Places Soi 24-26:
These are comparatively better- the girls, the services and ambiance. There are many in that area. Standard rate about 2 k-2. 6 k per hour to two hours. You get a decent room with shower, and a HJ at the shower and a FS at the bed from your girl of choice. I liked this, too.
Nana Entertainment Plaza:
Personally I did not like the ambiance, the place is too old now and need serious renovation. LBs are almost everywhere, they are pushy too. The girls are inferior compared to Soi Cowboy. However, this is a must visit for all mongers to have the fun.
Soi Cowboy:
The set up and environment is cleaner and nicer than NEP. The girls are better too. I liked this place over NEP, a must visit for all mongers.
Will come back with other updates later.
T. F. E.
Although this experience was from two months ago I think it is still relevant to report. I went out with a group of friends and someone suggested going to Saphan Kwai for a change of scenery. This was purely a drinking outing and I had never been there before either. After going to a couple of smaller places we ended up in TD 99. I was already aware the customers there were going to be about 90%+ Thai guys. Initially I was wary as to the reception we might get from the Thai customers and it turned out to be completely unfounded, to be specific none of them even gave us a second look. TD 99 is a massive venue where it seems to be a cross between a go-go, a beer bar and somewhere you can sit down and buy food. Fairly quickly we were joined by several good looking WG's The one I ended up talking to spoke very good English and was very good looking. She quoted me 2500 baht which included BF, ST (promised as 2 hours but would no doubt end up being less) and the cost of the hotel. As we were on a boys night out I decided to decline the offer. But was surprised at the cost comparison between there and either Nana or Soi Cowboy. The overall quality of the girls in terms of body and face was noticeably better than Nana or Cowboy too. So for anyone who is feeling fed up with the usual venues it might be a good idea to check out Saphan Kwai as a possible alternative. If anyone does decide to give it a try I strongly suggest putting TD 99 on the list of venues to visit.
Regards,
BJ
Traveler1234
06-18-15, 14:28
Story out today is the police chief favors legalizing casinos in Thailand and the PM is "not against it. " That happens and we will see more and more Chinese. Turn out the lights then.Hopefully set them up outside of Bkk, in the 'resort' areas!
Banana Boi
06-18-15, 22:09
Sorry not really a report but worth keeping an eye on. First case of the deadly MERS virus has come to BKK, via a Middle Eastern man.
Fast Eddie 48
06-19-15, 02:59
Story out today is the police chief favors legalizing casinos in Thailand and the PM is "not against it. " That happens and we will see more and more Chinese. Turn out the lights then.To Goatscort.
Thailand been taking about legalizing casino for a long time, but there are casino all over Asia don't think it will help to increase the Tourism that much, I go to casino all over the world I just want to come here for mongering not gambling.
Fast eddie 48.
MichaelSamuel
06-19-15, 03:12
So I had kept in touch via chat app with a girl I pulled from Baccara in January. She was funny and had a great little spinner body with a pretty decent set of tits for her little body. So she knew I was coming and figured I would spend 3 of my 4 nights with her with hopeful breaks in the afternoon for some other fun. So obviously going to avoid Baccara started off at lighthouse (apologies to anyone who read my previous report where I referred to lighthouse as long gun). Decent selection on a Sunday night and saw two potentials but wanted to browse a bit more so moved onto crazy house. Place always seems packed to me and the amount of flesh on display was plentiful. I can't decide how I feel about this place. On the plus side I like that since the seating is limited you don't get stuck with a girl sitting down on the downside since the stage is oddly configured it's hard to get a good look at all the girls and can often only see half of them. Didn't see anything I was particularly interested in so decided to go back and see about the 2 potentials at lighthouse. Stopped in the wc and on the way out when who grabs my arm? Yeah, you know where this is going, needless to say took some significant quick talking to maintain the relationship but managed to bullshit my way through. While I was initially disappointed I wasn't going to get to pull anything new out of cowboy she was terrific and as good as any gogo girl excluding the fact she rarely goes for the BJ. Spent the next 3 nights with her, but thankfully had breaks in the afternoon to explore afield. Gave her 4 k each day and she seemed pleased enough. Of course I covered all her meals and drinks and entertainment as well. Will report on the other adventures separately. What I think would be useful to others from all this is the following. First, apparently a number of girls have left Baccara for crazy house and other bars. My girl said they were being really strict about working and just a general pain so her and some others left. Second, I have done well lately by getting any girls that I even consider a second time with contact info for wechat, line, viber, ect. Just keeping up with some messages from January to May with her definitely led to a great experience. Not to mention had some quality selfies from her to hold me over until the next trip.
To Goatscort.
Thailand been taking about legalizing casino for a long time, but there are casino all over Asia don't think it will help to increase the Tourism that much, I go to casino all over the world I just want to come here for mongering not gambling.
Fast eddie 48.Reason I think it will increase is that BKK is more affordable than most of the cities offering gambling and there is more to do here than in Sing or Macau.
Fast Eddie 48
06-19-15, 23:11
Reason I think it will increase is that BKK is more affordable than most of the cities offering gambling and there is more to do here than in Sing or Macau.To Goatscrot.
There are cheap country in Asia with casinos most Thai go to Poipet a border town in Cambodia is only 6 HR by train from Bangkok about 20 casinos there, most Thailand take day trip gamble all night and return in the morning and there are The Philippine many casinos in Manila and AC also cheap mongering also.
Fast eddie 48.
To Goatscrot.
There are cheap country in Asia with casinos most Thai go to Poipet a border town in Cambodia is only 6 HR by train from Bangkok about 20 casinos there, most Thailand take day trip gamble all night and return in the morning and there are The Philippine many casinos in Manila and AC also cheap mongering also.
Fast eddie 48.But add gambling to the beach resorts in Thailand and you will have a great sell. People love coming to Thailand already.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/19/us-health-mers-thailand-idUSKBN0OZ09M20150619
Be careful guys.
I was in Baccara Agogo yesterday evening. The place was packed, around 10 PM. That surprised me a little bit because it's low season after all. But what even surprised me more is that they were doing nude shows. And not only upstairs but even on the ground floor. A small selection of the girls (about 4 to 8 each time) stripped fully nude. And not just for 10 seconds, they kept on dancing nude for about 5 or 10 minutes. Good looking girls also, above average anyway, even some 8's.
Apologies if this has been reported before. I checked but I could not find any earlier reports on this.
I was in Baccara Agogo yesterday evening. The place was packed, around 10 PM. That surprised me a little bit because it's low season after all. But what even surprised me more is that they were doing nude shows. And not only upstairs but even on the ground floor. A small selection of the girls (about 4 to 8 each time) stripped fully nude. And not just for 10 seconds, they kept on dancing nude for about 5 or 10 minutes. Good looking girls also, above average anyway, even some 8's.
Apologies if this has been reported before. I checked but I could not find any earlier reports on this.Last year they also did some nude shows on ground floor (around March 2014 if I remember correct) but also stopped with it rather fast. I only see 2 or 3 shows back then.
I wrote about it in a Dutch forum (but you know that I guess, haha).
Later I hear that police was not very happy with it, so I am surprised they started it again.
Sure this group pf ladies is the creme the la creme of what Baccara have to offer and yes they go totally nude back then as well.
Time to come back I guess 5555.
Enjoy your time Mogwai.
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