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Charles Dickin
08-20-15, 12:37
I decided to spend my vacation in Crazy House. I got charged different ST rates, 3500 for most girls but 2500 for my second of four. Is that normal? Or am I beng a sucker? I'm not very experienced and I think the mamasan can tell.
Mamasan Tang took the 2500 and no commission but the other times I've dealt with Paar who always took 3500ST and a minimum 200 for herself. She took 900 with the fourth girl. Yes 900. It was a slow night due to the bombing. The total was 5000 for one ST.
Short version.
First night I took 55 and later another girl whose number I didn't see. Both girls OK. Second night I didn't barfine anyone but ran up an unreasonable bar bill. Third night number 4. She's OK but her friend 14 is a pain in the ass and totally put me off repeating with 4. Fourth night I had the pole dancer. Sorry I didn't notice her number as I was busy looking at other things. Identifiable by tits like two small zeppelins in a nose dive.
Warning: do not take the pole dancer if you are over 50, under 25, have a weak heart, aren't familiar with the Karma Sutra, or are not athletic and single. She will leave marks and scars on you because she bites, scratches, and can slap like an angry hockey player. If she doesn't kill you then all future sex will be boring in comparison. You have been warned.
Long version.
I didn't take long to spot number 55. She has a slow and sensual way of dancing and working her butt. Sexy! She is one of the girls who dances clothed if you call a belt and no knickers clothed. I like it because the when she's on down on all fours rotating her butt round and up, you get a slow of reveal of sweet home Alabama. Nice! I think she dances clothed because her breasts are small and not that firm. I don't think she likes them much. But that's ok because in missionary I just looked at her face. She has high cheekbones which I think make her very pretty. She has a wide smile and long natural black hair. I prefer from nature to from bottle.
55 likes DATY. Well she does now! CBJ because she likes to play safe which is fair enough. She is quiet in bed. Not a starfish just quiet. If you can hear her breathing then she's probably having an orgasm. Good girl to have in a library just don't take her back overdue because the fine will be astronomical if you get the wrong mamasan.
I'm still convinced 55 said ST was 2500. Mamasan Paar charged me 3500 and then helped herself to another 200 tip before giving me my change. Thank you for not asking it saved some time. She had also rounded up my drinks bill from 320 to 400. Yes business is good thank you. The total was nearly 5000. I'm surprised she didn't round it up to that. I didn't say anything because I am a new customer there and want to make a good impression. I think maybe I showed I am an easy target. More important I didn't want to spoil my short date with 55 and her dancing butt.
Paar is the thinnest of the three mamasans. She wears her hair tied up on top a bit like a pineapple I guess. I'm not an expert on ladies hair styles names. As long as their hair is long and not too phony then that's all I need to know.
I took 55 back to the club afterwards so she now think I'm a gentleman. This is now the official reason why I went back and not at all because I wanted to check out the opposition. 55 went up in the elevator to change and I turned to leave by walking the long way round slowly. I was on my second loop because I missed my exit first time when they announced show time upstairs. I had to see. Be rude not to.
There was some kind of lotion and candle dripping. That was a bit boring and one of the girls spent a few minutes scraping and spitting the dried wax off her tongue. Putting it there may have looked a little sexy but removing it did not. The body painting was good but Suzy Wong's artist is much more spectacular. Suzy Wong seems to have a minimum width for its girls as well as a minimum age so their artist has more canvas to work with. The soap show at Crazy House was fun. The soap gets everywhere. Take care if you are sitting in the front row. I think that's the cleanest my shoes have been in a long time. I would like to go back whenever my shoes need cleaning.
I can't remember the number of the second girl I took that first night. Maybe she wasn't wearing it or maybe I was too busy looking at her breasts. They are easy to spot. I was trying to guess whether they were natural or not. I'm not very experienced at this kind of activity and I was a bit shy about groping her in public. After all I was now officially a gentleman and official gentlemen don't do that sort of thing. I didn't mind because the investigation was something to look forward to. Also she was holding my wrists and putting my hands where she wanted. I liked that.
Second girl bumped into me as I was wiping the last of the soap off my shoes. Oops. She apologized but as I was now official gentleman I had to buy her a drink to say sorry. A warning about Crazy House lady drinks. A double lady drink lasts the girl about 10 seconds.
This time I got mamasan Tang. She's the middle sized one of the three and quite nice. Her son works in the bar too. Family business! She took my second barfine that night at 2500 and didn't ask for commission. I gave her 100 tip and she looked disappointed so I gave her another 100. I had been saving that one for the waitress but I figured I was still about 1000 up on the previous deal and Tang was more polite and friendlier than Paar. Yes I did tip the waitress too but it had to be the 80 left over from my bar bill. Tang didn't round it up to make the math easier.
I'll put third and fourth nights in another post.
Somewhere15
08-20-15, 15:44
For the folks that is already in BK, in your opinion, how safe is it to travel to BK with the recent news coming out of BK? That's 3 bombs in 2 days?Slightly more safety here but overall its live as always. Enjoy your fun and don't get histeric nor panicking. Lives goes on.
I decided to spend my vacation in Crazy House. I got charged different ST rates, 3500 for most girls but 2500 for my second of four. Is that normal? Or am I beng a sucker? I'm not very experienced and I think the mamasan can tell.
Mamasan Tang took the 2500 and no commission but the other times I've dealt with Paar who always took 3500ST and a minimum 200 for herself. She took 900 with the fourth girl. Yes 900. It was a slow night due to the bombing. The total was 5000 for one ST.
Short version.
First night I took 55 and later another girl whose number I didn't see. Both girls OK. Second night I didn't barfine anyone but ran up an unreasonable bar bill. Third night number 4. She's OK but her friend 14 is a pain in the ass and totally put me off repeating with 4. Fourth night I had the pole dancer. Sorry I didn't notice her number as I was busy looking at other things. Identifiable by tits like two small zeppelins in a nose dive.
Warning: do not take the pole dancer if you are over 50, under 25, have a weak heart, aren't familiar with the Karma Sutra, or are not athletic and single. She will leave marks and scars on you because she bites, scratches, and can slap like an angry hockey player. If she doesn't kill you then all future sex will be boring in comparison. You have been warned.
Long version.
I didn't take long to spot number 55. She has a slow and sensual way of dancing and working her butt. Sexy! She is one of the girls who dances clothed if you call a belt and no knickers clothed. I like it because the when she's on down on all fours rotating her butt round and up, you get a slow of reveal of sweet home Alabama. Nice! I think she dances clothed because her breasts are small and not that firm. I don't think she likes them much. But that's ok because in missionary I just looked at her face. She has high cheekbones which I think make her very pretty. She has a wide smile and long natural black hair. I prefer from nature to from bottle.
55 likes DATY. Well she does now! CBJ because she likes to play safe which is fair enough. She is quiet in bed. Not a starfish just quiet. If you can hear her breathing then she's probably having an orgasm. Good girl to have in a library just don't take her back overdue because the fine will be astronomical if you get the wrong mamasan.
I'm still convinced 55 said ST was 2500. Mamasan Paar charged me 3500 and then helped herself to another 200 tip before giving me my change. Thank you for not asking it saved some time. She had also rounded up my drinks bill from 320 to 400. Yes business is good thank you. The total was nearly 5000. I'm surprised she didn't round it up to that. I didn't say anything because I am a new customer there and want to make a good impression. I think maybe I showed I am an easy target. More important I didn't want to spoil my short date with 55 and her dancing butt.
Paar is the thinnest of the three mamasans. She wears her hair tied up on top a bit like a pineapple I guess. I'm not an expert on ladies hair styles names. As long as their hair is long and not too phony then that's all I need to know.
I took 55 back to the club afterwards so she now think I'm a gentleman. This is now the official reason why I went back and not at all because I wanted to check out the opposition. 55 went up in the elevator to change and I turned to leave by walking the long way round slowly. I was on my second loop because I missed my exit first time when they announced show time upstairs. I had to see. Be rude not to.
There was some kind of lotion and candle dripping. That was a bit boring and one of the girls spent a few minutes scraping and spitting the dried wax off her tongue. Putting it there may have looked a little sexy but removing it did not. The body painting was good but Suzy Wong's artist is much more spectacular. Suzy Wong seems to have a minimum width for its girls as well as a minimum age so their artist has more canvas to work with. The soap show at Crazy House was fun. The soap gets everywhere. Take care if you are sitting in the front row. I think that's the cleanest my shoes have been in a long time. I would like to go back whenever my shoes need cleaning.
I can't remember the number of the second girl I took that first night. Maybe she wasn't wearing it or maybe I was too busy looking at her breasts. They are easy to spot. I was trying to guess whether they were natural or not. I'm not very experienced at this kind of activity and I was a bit shy about groping her in public. After all I was now officially a gentleman and official gentlemen don't do that sort of thing. I didn't mind because the investigation was something to look forward to. Also she was holding my wrists and putting my hands where she wanted. I liked that.
Second girl bumped into me as I was wiping the last of the soap off my shoes. Oops. She apologized but as I was now official gentleman I had to buy her a drink to say sorry. A warning about Crazy House lady drinks. A double lady drink lasts the girl about 10 seconds.
This time I got mamasan Tang. She's the middle sized one of the three and quite nice. Her son works in the bar too. Family business! She took my second barfine that night at 2500 and didn't ask for commission. I gave her 100 tip and she looked disappointed so I gave her another 100. I had been saving that one for the waitress but I figured I was still about 1000 up on the previous deal and Tang was more polite and friendlier than Paar. Yes I did tip the waitress too but it had to be the 80 left over from my bar bill. Tang didn't round it up to make the math easier.
I'll put third and fourth nights in another post.I don't know the names of mamasans. I don't get involved with them. The fat one is particularly to be avoided for me. Never really met the middle sized one who maybe a recent addition. I do not pay in advance. Just only the barfine 700. Mamasan may get a 100 tip. Mamasan has nothing to do with money paid to the girl. So you probably got suckered by mamasan at a guess. 2500 is a realistic price for many of the better looking girls. Some not so special may go cheaper. I have heard of girls wanting 3000. They may come down to 2500 depending if desperate to pay the rent or what. May not come down if have too many customers but it depends on how busy is the night. I only ever paid 3000 for one or two of the hottest girls that ever worked there. One name was Nat. Had amazing figure including natural high CtoD cups. Very pretty. Was a good session so I was not sorry. She is no longer there. Many girls did not even specify a price with me since I am a well known regular. So I could then pay as I saw fit based on how amazing she was or not.
Lets be clear though. Barfine is 700. If mamasan takes 900, that means she takes a 200 Baht tip above the barfine price. Your price numbers are confusing. I can't say I understand when you are including barfine and when not.
You can buy girls a single drink. That is all you have to buy for a 20 minute period when she is not dancing. No obligation to do more. I tend to do more mainly due to entertaining more than one girl till I decide which one I want to barfine, or simply if they are my favourite girls I like to have sit on my lap.
Girl make commission from drinks. So don't have to give massive cash tips as well. 100 tip is OK if you want to give a tip for no particular reason. I don't ever give mamasan more than 100 tip. She hasn't had to do any work for me. The barfine was already given. Everything was already decided between me and the girl. I get more respect from staff because I speak Thai and am a regular. They know I can't be manipulated much. I hate any girl that keeps pleading for drinks too often or any uninvited and will send them away. I like girls who are nice and cool and respectfully request a drink but don't overdo it. I take time to pick girls and then call them over with a wink, or if they never look at me, send waitress to tell the girl dancing, I will buy her a drink.
No clue who your girls were. Right now I don't remember No. 50. Bad with numbers. Names are hard enough. Strange you can name mamasans but not the girls.
So next time ask the girl directly for a short time but make sure she understands not to call the mamasan over. Make sure she understands you do not pay in advance. If mamasan comes, just pretend you have not yet decided to BF anyone yet. Send her away. I never had to negotiate with a mamasan in any bar.
I would have thought mamasan should be there to assist only if guy and girl cannot communicate with each other. However I do notice mamasan getting involved moderately often at Crazy House. I always assumed it was due to the guy wanting to pay the girl a much lower amount that what she is willing to go for. Like girl wants 2500 and guy wants to pay 1500. However these assumptions could have been wrong. Also some customers are treated with suspicion about whether they will pay the agreed amount at the end of the deal.
You should do a lot more variety until you get experienced, although I have to admit Crazy House has better looking girls. Pity I was not around to help you out. If was only a week or two ago, perhaps I was there some days. Did you ever see some Farang downstairs entertaining up to 3 girls on occasions. Could be me. LOL.
Somewhere15
08-20-15, 18:14
Slightly more safety here but overall its live as always. Enjoy your fun and don't get histeric nor panicking. Lives goes on.Only on Spasso's just 300 meters down the bombing location there was a significant number of less people than normal. It looks like an empty Sunday or Monday evening in there.
One if the security guys say it was because of the bombing.
JesseJames
08-20-15, 19:33
Just after arriving after a long flight, my steps took me to Som's Haven with a visit to my old favourite Katay from SOL in mind. Fate was smiling and Katay was present. She proposed to take a VIP room saying: "I know you like to fuck me, so let's take this room". The room had a shower and a large bed. She sucked my dick for a while starting slowly and deeply, then I went down on her. I like her pussy with the big labiae. Then 30 minutes of intense fucking until I came in doggy position. She had come before riding me. She has lost none of her skills, but I preferred the action on the bar sofas at SOL together with Peung, Oen, or Pla rather than the more private setting at Som's.I was never offered a VIP room at Som's. How much is it?
Charles Dickin
08-21-15, 04:38
Thanks Syzygies. Next time I will try to only pay the bar fine and drinks in the bar. I will tell the girl I will pay her fee at the hotel and ask her what she wants and tell her no mamasan. Thanks to your advice I am now sure that 55 did say 2500 initially and mamasan Paar added an extra 1000 sucker tax.
On my third night I tried to outwit Paar keeping my change by paying by card. When I looked at the bill outside where I could see it better I noticed she'd added 5% surcharge and rounded up a bit. I tried to explain it wasn't a credit card but suddenly her English got a lot worse.
For each girl I paid everything in the bar up front. This was 700 BF plus 3500ST each time except for the second girl which was 2500ST. For the first and second girls mamasan Paar took an extra 200 for herself. For the fourth she took an extra 800 not 900 as I said in the original post.
Sorry mis spoke in my original post. I paid 700 BF plus 3500ST plus the *800* change the mamasan refused to give me back. In every case drinks were extra.
Did you ever see some Farang downstairs entertaining up to 3 girls on occasions. Could be me. LOL.I did see one entertaining two. Number 50 who was very sexy and flirty and 86 who was a little quieter and only smoldering hot. I was jealous but I finished up with The Animal and had the night of my sheltered life so far.
You should do a lot more variety until you get experienced, although I have to admit Crazy House has better looking girlsI tried Suzy Wong first but I didn't see anyone I liked. For sure their all more beautiful than me but for Asian girls I like slimmer. Doll House was hopeless. There were no customers downstairs and only one upstairs. I didn't want to be the sole attraction so I didn't stay. I had failed attempts to attract the attention of an upstairs girl at Bacara over two nights. I figured that one just wasn't meant to be.
Thanks for your help.
Warning: do not take the pole dancer if you are over 50, under 25, have a weak heart, aren't familiar with the Karma Sutra, or are not athletic and single. She will leave marks and scars on you because she bites, scratches, and can slap like an angry hockey player. If she doesn't kill you then all future sex will be boring in comparison. You have been warned.Looks like a girl I absolutely want to spend a night with. I did have a girl like that before, and I took her once every 2 days. Wasn't a stunner but had something about her, and it the bedroom she showed what. I like biting and scratching girls (they to me, not opposite).
I don't think crazy horse is suitable to CharlesDickins but each one his own. His money, his game, his fun, his pleasure and his wallet.
Mamasans and girls can only be happy to have customers as such in a low season as such.
I would not be the ideal customer, for sure.
I arrive in BKK the night after the bombing. I didn't see any additional security at the airport and going through immigration was very fast. Nana, Cowboy, and the Sukhumvit area.
In general are business as usual. I did notice a higher police presence on Sukhumvit road compared to one year ago, but I can't tell if that is due to the bombing. Also, when you enter.
The mall Terminal 21 the search all bags. But again, I don't know if that is something new due to the bombing. There is no curfew and all bars are open for business.In theory bags have always been searched at Siam, Mbk, terminal 21 and you always go through metal detectors. They always sounded like Christmas carols and nobody gave an eye to that. Farangs have always been left through like crews at airports, if you know what I mean.
Again in theory, all BTS stations have a possible handheld metal detector stick test can be used.
So the system has always been in place, whether used, activated, enforced is another story.
Police has been a bit more in sukhumvit since the coup, msybe to enforce the vending stalls ban. Sa long as you were not confused by the butt police, ripping off tourists with cigarette butt fines, a battle between them and some mama-sans in gogo: who ripps off more tourists?
I was never offered a VIP room at Som's. How much is it?Sorry, it was 1. 700 all in.
Tonight was my first visit I declned a lady drink for a naked lady. Just out of curiosity, how much is a lady drink and how much is a BF. The long report doesn't state clearly.
Crazy house is one of the only gogo's that I've visited that consistently overcharges on their tabs. I even visited with a senior member who's well known by the club and he was overcharged 400 baht or so on his bill. Doesn't matter if you bring out your phone and calculate the total, they'll just give you whatever change they feel you deserve. And if they can't get you on your drinks, girls will order a lady drink as a shot with a cola drink and you get charged double. Best option is to have several drinks before walking into the club so you don't get dinged.
Jimmy Boy 99
08-21-15, 21:26
Crazy house is one of the only gogo's that I've visited that consistently overcharges on their tabs. I even visited with a senior member who's well known by the club and he was overcharged 400 baht or so on his bill. Doesn't matter if you bring out your phone and calculate the total, they'll just give you whatever change they feel you deserve. And if they can't get you on your drinks, girls will order a lady drink as a shot with a cola drink and you get charged double. Best option is to have several drinks before walking into the club so you don't get dinged.I avoid tab problems by just paying after every drink order.
If she doesn't kill you then all future sex will be boring in comparison. Well, you don't know what sex in heaven is like. LOL!
BangkokBull
08-22-15, 16:36
I see some mentioning of Craigslist ladies being mostly controlled by some agents, however in all the strange ads sometimes a gem can be found.
I recently had a session with a nice lady found on Craigslist. Slim and relatively white compared to many ladies here. She do have some tattoos on her shoulder and back. Large silicone tits nicely done and looks very natural.
We spent 3 hours together with nice relating time and full GFE experience. She charged 3000 baht for short time (overnight is 6000 baht). I only did the short time session and that is normally one one shot but since I can normally only do one shot in a few hours anyway that was not a issue for me.
She didn't rush the time in any way, and will give a nice massage too after the session.
Very classy lady that would be perfect to take out for a dinner or to a pub for a few drinks if anyone like a good lady's company, very good English so no problems with communication. She generally prefer older guys.
I would recommend to anyone that like good company with a lady that can entertain outside the bed too.
With her permission here are some photos.
Search for xoxosexy in Craigslist Thailand casual encounters to find her contact information.
But please keep in mind this lady only do GFE, not a PSE type of lady.
Charles Dickin
08-22-15, 17:01
Tonight was my first visit I declned a lady drink for a naked lady. Just out of curiosity, how much is a lady drink and how much is a BF. The long report doesn't state clearly.Sorry! Usually they order a double drink which is tequila and brown water pretending to be cola. One of them costs 160 and the other 170. I don't know which but doesn't matter. Sometimes they just write 330 on your bill. Whatever. You probably end up paying 400 or more any way.
Some of the waitresses are really nice and serve you well and make jokes with you and maybe dance for you. These I am happy to tip. But I've had some others that I've never even seen never mind been served by try hitting me for tips. One I'd never seen on any of my previous 3 visits nor that fourth night materialized out of thin air, sat on the floor and wrapped her arms round my leg sulking and saying Tip Me Tip Me Tip Me Tip Me. She wouldn't let go until I gave her a 100 tip. Maybe this is the Thai version of wheel clamping and that was my fine. I tried to stick out not paying but after a couple of minutes it was getting embarrassing so naturally I gave in. OK I am soft.
In some ways Crazy House is a great bar in other ways its lousy.
I don't think crazy horse is suitable to CharlesDickinsMaybe maybe not. I think I might make it best of 7 to be sure. LOL! I'm not sure about the animal pole dancer either. Will definitely have to make it best of 3.
Well, you don't know what sex in heaven is like. LOL!Sure I do. Missionary position only LOL! I might find out attempting best of 3 with animal pole dancer. Great way to arrive at the gates.
Other Crazy House girls can be a wild too. While I was fingering one of the previous girls she squeezed so hard that I thought I was going to get 2 broken fingers. I panic easily and had visions of trying to explain to the doctor how that happened. I don't know if the travel insurance covers that kind of accident.
Looks like a girl I absolutely want to spend a night with.Remember you need protection for activities with this girl. Stab vest minimum. I think you are a veteran though.
She's actually kind of sweet. She's very honest and up front describes herself as farm worker from Issan with honey skin. I don't know many Thai lady but she's the first I met not to mind her skin color maybe even like it. I think she has beautiful skin. Not all tigress have striped skin! LOL!
I forgot to say about her that her English is, how to say, passable. But she swears a hell of a lot. So you probably wouldn't want to take her to a fancy fancy restaurant unless you want a very memorable evening for society to read on social networks.
- Your main course madam.
- That fucking it? Hey Mak where rest of fucking food? Or this fucking sample? If I like I get more yes? You going bar? Double lady drink Mak.
I do think she'd be an excellent librarian.
- Hey Mak books with fucking pictures over there. You know karma sutra? I show you best fucking positions. No Mak not like that like this. Leg here dick there. You boring. Go fucking faster.
- SSSH! No talking this is a library!
- OK Boss. No problem. No fucking talking. Screaming OK? I very noisy orgasm. Double lady drink Mak fucking thirsty work.
She'd be brilliant as the Minister for Tourism and Culture.
- Welcome to fucking Thailand. You like drink? Me too. I know fucking good bar. You buy me double lady drink Mak? New national sport pole dancing. I fucking show you. First double lady drink.
I'm really quite fond of her because I think she's a rough diamond. But she does scare me. Maybe I am a little in love or maybe it's just Stockholm Syndrome. LOL!
It is called a massage place, but since I don't go there for massage, I'm posting here. Each visit to Bangkok leads me there for a balls shaving session with Aen. She's not young any more, but she must have been good looking then. She shaves my balls and ass hair thoroughly and tenderly. Doing it, she places the shaft and the scrotum in proper position. Afterwards she probes if the dick may still become hard. Sucking the head is definitely beyond the task, as is mounting me to come herself with her hand stifling her crying.
I did see one entertaining two. Number 50 who was very sexy and flirty and 86 who was a little quieter and only smouldering hot. I was jealous but I finished up with The Animal and had the night of my sheltered life so far.
That could be me, if number 50 had big tits and 86 was slim. I could have the wrong ones, as have a number of favourite girls, Ging (Dcups), Oom, Naen (blonde), Naam (slim tall), and Noi (white skin), May-Lee (gone unfortunately), and don't entertain them all at once. Unfortunately, I am very bad to remember the girls numbers. I go by names and faces.
I have been secretly counting my drinks, after once suspecting over charging. Haven't had a problem since. I usually have a regular waitress and could be she is a totally honest one that makes sure everything is right.
It is called a massage place, but since I don't go there for massage, I'm posting here. Each visit to Bangkok leads me there for a balls shaving session with Aen. She's not young any more, but she must have been good looking then. She shaves my balls and ass hair thoroughly and tenderly. Doing it, she places the shaft and the scrotum in proper position.Thanks for the intel Nongpagba. Is body hair shaving standard service for this shop, and what are the charges?
SL.
It is called a massage place, but since I don't go there for massage, I'm posting here. Each visit to Bangkok leads me there for a balls shaving session with Aen. She's not young any more, but she must have been good looking then. She shaves my balls and ass hair thoroughly and tenderly. Doing it, she places the shaft and the scrotum in proper position. Afterwards she probes if the dick may still become hard. Sucking the head is definitely beyond the task, as is mounting me to come herself with her hand stifling her crying.Are you sure it is on Soi 21 aka Asok?
I know Friends Barber on Soi 19 and yes, there is an older Khun Ann, who will do more than clip you hair.
Michelangelo
08-23-15, 12:38
Tonight was my first visit I declned a lady drink for a naked lady. Just out of curiosity, how much is a lady drink and how much is a BF. The long report doesn't state clearly.Lady drinks are 160 THB.
I have never been cheated on drinks, but always struggle to deal with the fat mamasan. Last time I was there she asked 3. 000 Bht for ST and 1. 000 Barfine! I told her to f. K off and said I have agreed 2. 500 with the girl and that I would pay her back in the hotel to make sure she gets the money. I also said barfine is 700 and not 1. 000! This woman is a real pain ans despite the fact that Crazy House has nice girls, I am seriously considering avoiding this place. She will ruin the business of this go-go is management does not do anything about it.
White Shark
08-23-15, 12:46
Lady drinks are 160 THB.
I have never been cheated on drinks, but always struggle to deal with the fat mamasan. Last time I was there she asked 3. 000 Bht for ST and 1. 000 Barfine! I told her to f. K off and said I have agreed 2. 500 with the girl and that I would pay her back in the hotel to make sure she gets the money. I also said barfine is 700 and not 1. 000! This woman is a real pain ans despite the fact that Crazy House has nice girls, I am seriously considering avoiding this place. She will ruin the business of this go-go is management does not do anything about it.I been there several time but always same stories.
The girls are the best but scam policy on drinks and overcharged are really common.
I knew the story so some time I don't mind about, but I know in advance what is the consequences on my bills.
Wolvenvacht
08-23-15, 12:48
It is called a massage place, but since I don't go there for massage, I'm posting here. Each visit to Bangkok leads me there for a balls shaving session with Aen. She's not young any more, but she must have been good looking then. She shaves my balls and ass hair thoroughly and tenderly. Doing it, she places the shaft and the scrotum in proper position. Afterwards she probes if the dick may still become hard. Sucking the head is definitely beyond the task, as is mounting me to come herself with her hand stifling her crying.Do you mean this one: http://www.bangkokpost.com/lifestyle/20102_info_friend-039s-barber-massage.html.
but always struggle to deal with the fat mamasan. Last time I was there she asked 3. 000 Bht for ST and 1. 000 Barfine! I told her to f. K This woman is a real pain ans She will ruin the business of this go-go is management does not do anything about it.I always refuse to give her a tip (she also asks for a drink!) and the girls said 'good don't give her anything'. They don't like the fat thing either. Its amazing how Thai culture produces specimens like this and where so many of them land in livelihoods where they thrive on exploiting both young girls and farang.
Somewhere15
08-23-15, 15:18
Yesterday afternoon I met up with this girl. Very good attitude and willing for a lot.
After a nice late lunch we had a look (on my suggestion) to the movies but it would take to much time to wait fir the next movie to start so we decided it was time to go to my apartment to continuing.
Lot of kisses, 5 hours of fun on the bed with only anal not allowed, she had to leave at 8 PM (that was already mentioned from her before as she had to go out of the country for several days) and asked if shou could return mid this week and stay for several days. I left the answer open because some days will make me realy tired and I need my freedom to.
Late afternoon no. 2 is willing to meet with me. We met on the last day that I was in Bangkok before and on that time I didn't want to force. Today we will see if we can bring this "to the next level" or. Not.
Welcome to be back.Today I met again with this cutie; some hours and a lot of fun. First time I didn't want to ask for pictures but now for the second time, and she was not against it.
Total investment for today lunch and a pair of high heels, total cost THB 1100.
Not bad overall.
Are you sure it is on Soi 21 aka Asok?
I know Friends Barber on Soi 19, and yes, there is an older Khun Ann, who will do more than clip you hair.Yes its known to be Soi 19, unless they opened a new shop.
Maybe confusion caused by Terminal21 not being on Soi 21. I have problems with remembering the even Sois on other side. Soi 16 is weird and connected to Ratchadaphisek which is connected to soi 21. Had to look at Map ro remember Soi number 16.
Yesterday afternoon I met up with this girl. Very good attitude and willing for a lot.
Welcome to be back.You don't have to quote your whole previous post nor welcome yourself back. To the forum. LOL.
A couple of pics recently was useful to put it all into perspective. Sounded too good to be true at first. Could see your idea of cute is not same as my idea of cute. However you get sex for low cost. TF stands for Thai Friendly? Some abbreviations are not well known to everyone.
What does she do to earn money? Maybe you are not interested in that?
Somewhere15
08-24-15, 03:26
Could see your idea of cute is not same as my idea of cute. However you get sex for low cost. TF stands for Thai Friendly? Some abbreviations are not well known to everyone.
What does she do to earn money? Maybe you are not interested in that?Thanks Mr Syzygies for your comments.
Regarding your comment on cute hope to see your pictures soon and then we can judge.
Beside the body shape and overweight chemistry is hightly important for me and in that sense you have to read the story.
Yes TF is ThaiFriendly and regarding your last sentense, I now what she is doing for work.
She is with an International banking company in Bangkok, for her work she travels also abroad to other Asian country. I even now her month salary but I did not want to mention that, was not relevant in my view.
First timer in BKK. What's the deal with Patong? Are there only Gogos for "Gringos" or any reasonably priced (1000-1500) oiies for a quickie?
If any oilies please drop address / name / prices.
Can anybody name oilies for quick fun, again, please name / address /$ (I'll be staying at BAT Chit Lom). ?
What's about Ggos in Patong? Can I just go in and sip a bier for some 30 min, or am I obliged / expected to buy lady drinks?
Thanks.
Member #4591
08-24-15, 07:36
I see some mentioning of Craigslist ladies being mostly controlled by some agents, however in all the strange ads sometimes a gem can be found.
I recently had a session with a nice lady found on Craigslist. Slim and relatively white compared to many ladies here. She do have some tattoos on her shoulder and back. Large silicone tits nicely done and looks very natural.
We spent 3 hours together with nice relating time and full GFE experience. She charged 3000 baht for short time (overnight is 6000 baht). I only did the short time session and that is normally one one shot but since I can normally only do one shot in a few hours anyway that was not a issue for me.
She didn't rush the time in any way, and will give a nice massage too after the session. This guy from Holland is such a pimp and he has now found our site.
Very classy lady that would be perfect to take out for a dinner or to a pub for a few drinks if anyone like a good lady's company, very good English so no problems with communication. She generally prefer older guys.
I would recommend to anyone that like good company with a lady that can entertain outside the bed too.
With her permission here are some photos.
Search for xoxosexy in Craigslist Thailand casual encounters to find her contact information.
But please keep in mind this lady only do GFE, not a PSE type of lady.First post with this I info. I've got a bridge for sale and I can offer such a good discount.
Member #4591
08-24-15, 07:45
My regulars girls are all busy today and I'm looking for an afternoon hook up. Does any senior member have a contact they could share with me? If so please PM me her details and I will call her now. Kind regards to all.
PlaymatePete
08-24-15, 08:03
First visit to BKK and am keen as, been RTFF and getting some good info on the gogo bars and massage places but haven't seen to much on nightclubs. Looking for a couple of nightclubs with freelancers mixed in as its more my style. Many thanks in advance.
Blanquiceleste
08-24-15, 08:49
First timer in BKK. What's the deal with Patong? Are there only Gogos for "Gringos" or any reasonably priced (1000-1500) oiies for a quickie?
If any oilies please drop address / name / prices.
Can anybody name oilies for quick fun, again, please name / address /$ (I'll be staying at BAT Chit Lom). ?
What's about Ggos in Patong? Can I just go in and sip a bier for some 30 min, or am I obliged / expected to buy lady drinks?
Thanks.Bangkok has a couple of streets named Pat Pong. Patong is a beach resort town on the west coast of Phuket Island, in the southwest of Thailand, approximately a 90 minute flight from BKK. No obligations anywhere to buy lady drinks, although a few bars may be pushy. Have fun.
BangkokBull
08-24-15, 12:26
First post with this I info. I've got a bridge for sale and I can offer such a good discount.Well thanks for the enlightenment. Obviously there is no need to make any more post with the experts here taking so well care of their own little world.
Sorry that I ever bothered posting here, and it shall not happen again. Will just continue to enjoy the various pleasures of the BKK mongering without sharing with people that know it all much better.
Well thanks for the enlightenment. Obviously there is no need to make any more post with the experts here taking so well care of their own little world.
Sorry that I ever bothered posting here, and it shall not happen again. Will just continue to enjoy the various pleasures of the BKK mongering without sharing with people that know it all much better.Hi BangkokBull.
Never give up! New blood is needed anywhere, so keep on posting!! Just use "the blind eye" now and then.
Mr. G.
Well thanks for the enlightenment. Obviously there is no need to make any more post with the experts here taking so well care of their own little world.Dude why so sensitive? Your post had all the hallmarks of spam. If you want to prove the board wrong stay around and contribute some. If not we have our answer.
I am not calling BS on her, but honestly I am mostly skeptical. It sounds like the lady you are promoting is more interested in providing companionship rather than escorting. Is that why she advertises in the CL casual encounters section? And if she insists on payment up front I would predict an unenthusiastic provider or a flat out runner. Just my take.
Actually what I found quite ironic about your post: your handle is BangkokBull, yet you are a self-described one pop in three hours guy.
SL.
BangkokBull
08-24-15, 15:34
Dude why so sensitive? Your post had all the hallmarks of spam. If you want to prove the board wrong stay around and contribute some. If not we have our answer.
I am not calling BS on her, but honestly I am mostly skeptical. It sounds like the lady you are promoting is more interested in providing companionship rather than escorting. Is that why she advertises in the CL casual encounters section? And if she insists on payment up front I would predict an unenthusiastic provider or a flat out runner. Just my take.
Actually what I found quite ironic about your post: your handle is BangkokBull, yet you are a self-described one pop in three hours guy.
SL.Where did I ever say anything about payment upfront?
And what do my handle now have to do with this?
It is called a massage place, but since I don't go there for massage, I'm posting here. Each visit to Bangkok leads me there for a balls shaving session with Aen. She's not young any more, but she must have been good looking then. She shaves my balls and ass hair thoroughly and tenderly. Doing it, she places the shaft and the scrotum in proper position. Afterwards she probes if the dick may still become hard. Sucking the head is definitely beyond the task, as is mounting me to come herself with her hand stifling her crying.Re-reading your posting, I think part of it is 'lost in translation' and needs clarification as far as I am concerned.
Although my experience is at least 5 years old, Khun Ann is or rather was definitely and very competently up to the task of 'Sucking the head and mounting me to come herself'. I can't remember if she used her hand to stiffle her crying out or not.
Re-reading your posting, I think part of it is 'lost in translation' and needs clarification as far as I am concerned.
Although my experience is at least 5 years old, Khun Ann is or rather was definitely and very competently up to the task of 'Sucking the head and mounting me to come herself'. I can't remember if she used her hand to stiffle her crying out or not.Gents.
May I ask how you order this service in the shop? Is it on the menu or do you have to specify it more directly in words -so to speak?
Mr. G.
Back from an extended visit with a somewhat more chastened point of view. I must have shagged more than 30 women with as half as many blow jobs and other than a girl I met in Phuket, a prostrate massage in Jomtien and my visits to Candy Massage in Soi 53 all are long forgotten.
The longer the trip went on the more routine and forgettable it all started to become. What I always knew but didn't fully grasp until this trip is the simple truth these girls are working, it is a job. Some are good at what they do, some not, some find the work on occasions enjoyable, others rarely and like the rest of us they have good days and bad days.
There is a lot of chatter about looks and talents now compared to the good old days. I wasn't around then to know if this true or not but I have no doubt first time visitors will still feel like an excited kid in a glorious candy store when they set foot in Nataree or Cowboy. However after this trip I am now of the opinion expats and frequent visitors will eventually suffer from pussy fatigue and mistake it for falling quality. It was beginning to happen to me.
That said I cannot wait to return in the New Year but will the sublime Sai from the Tiger bar on Bangla Rd still be dispensing pleasure to lost souls and will Tandy with the inimitable the remain my oasis in the mad mad mad world that is Thailand?. I sure hope so!
Spent only a few nights during rushed tour but was able to observe that business is down big time in MPs and for FLs. On Sukhumvit road there is hardly any space left for girls to stand and their numbers were less than a dozen on weekday evenings. Compare this to hundreds in good old days. Quality was simply not there. The crown in front of Grace hotel was nothing special to write about, quite a few notches below what I saw earlier this year. Only Nana plaza area had same number of FLs but did not see even one face to my liking. Checked out biere garden couple of times on various days. Only one girl was do-able for my picky eyes. Rest were all quite oldish. Most FLs asked for 1 K for ST.
The massage shop scene was quite dismal as well, Soi 24/1 had hardly any good looking girls except outside AllStars and on one occasion, Cancam had two OK looking ones. Snowhite had more than 10 girls but nothing caught my fancy whereas mango had about 8, a little better looking than earlier this year. However the PSE quality appears to have left Mango girls.
Baccara in Soi cowboy was sole exception to the decline this time. This being low season, things were slow in Soi cowboy for sure but the girls in Baccara were much better looking than earlier. All three floors were operational, it wasn't as full as in high season so it was easier to grab a drink and browse. Many girls had good looking bodies, not all were sporting sillies and fake noses as noted earlier in the year but best of all. They were all going topless and completely nude on all floors. Many were opening up their vaginal openings for punters to enjoy the inside view and the moves were a lot more in your face type. A pure bliss and worth the 180 bahts drinks price. Still dominated by Japanese on first two floors.
Overall it appears that decline of Bangkok sex industry continues with a massive drop in number of visitors and a resultant drop in quality and quantity of working girls. I truly miss the vibe of Sukhumvit road when it used to be full of freelancers in the evenings, many of whom were actually amateurs and excellent enthusiastic providers in the bed.
Should have a look at some freelance hangouts so you know what its about. I don't generally use them but I have in the distant past. You have left out body slide massage. That is something I liked in my early days in Thailand. Syzygies, hope you are well. Are there any body slide massage places you recommend? Any specific girls who caught your fancy?
May I ask how you order this service in the shop? Is it on the menu or do you have to specify it more directly in words -so to speak?You will likely be asked about "extra" services towards the end of the massage as your interest becomes visually apparent, and she wants a bigger tip. At that point your little head is in charge and you are at a distinct negotiating disadvantage. It is more of a tease dynamic vs the PSE establishments but that works for some.
SL.
To clarify my post and correct typo the delightful lady I was referring to at Tandy is called Da.
You will likely be asked about "extra" services towards the end of the massage as your interest becomes visually apparent, and she wants a bigger tip. At that point your little head is in charge and you are at a distinct negotiating disadvantage. It is more of a tease dynamic vs the PSE establishments but that works for some.
SL.Thanks. But I was thinking of the shaving part.
Mr. G.
Back from an extended visit with a somewhat more chastened point of view. I must have shagged more than 30 women with as half as many blow jobs and other than a girl I met in Phuket, a prostrate massage in Jomtien and my visits to Candy Massage in Soi 53 all are long forgotten.
The longer the trip went on the more routine and forgettable it all started to become. What I always knew but didn't fully grasp until this trip is the simple truth these girls are working, it is a job. Some are good at what they do, some not, some find the work on occasions enjoyable, others rarely and like the rest of us they have good days and bad days.
There is a lot of chatter about looks and talents now compared to the good old days. I wasn't around then to know if this true or not but I have no doubt first time visitors will still feel like an excited kid in a glorious candy store when they set foot in Nataree or Cowboy. However after this trip I am now of the opinion expats and frequent visitors will eventually suffer from pussy fatigue and mistake it for falling quality. It was beginning to happen to me.
That said I cannot wait to return in the New Year but will the sublime Sai from the Tiger bar on Bangla Rd still be dispensing pleasure to lost souls and will Tandy with the inimitable the remain my oasis in the mad mad mad world that is Thailand?. I sure hope so!Unfortunately this happens to all people who have been here long enough or gone around enough. I've been going to Thailand for 16 years now if I'm correct, 3 months a year (yes every year). I do not recall when it happened to me but I know the last times when I was just going out without attachment (if you understand) has to be around 8 years before.
By that time I was so bored of it that I stepped inside somewhere I was only interested in my beer and not at all looking at the girls licking each other. I just didn't care anymore if they were naked, good looking, or whatever. Nowadays I've got a GF / wife and she knows me (in fact we know each other from 12 years ago) and she gives me a couple of days of without asking.
Now, I enjoy more again but it will never be like in the old days. I look again at the girls, I do not like talking to much since it is rubbish anyway (they know it and they know you know it when you speak some Thai) , so that is why massage parlors are know my favorite spots. Nighttime is for pool / drinking and sure I will look, and something might happen but chances are not huge.
I like looking and listening to other people, all the jibber / jabber is quite entertaining for me.
Spent only a few nights during rushed tour but was able to observe that business is down big time in MPs and for FLs. On Sukhumvit road there is hardly any space left for girls to stand and their numbers were less than a dozen on weekday evenings. Compare this to hundreds in good old days. Quality was simply not there. The crown in front of Grace hotel was nothing special to write about, quite a few notches below what I saw earlier this year. Only Nana plaza area had same number of FLs but did not see even one face to my liking. Checked out biere garden couple of times on various days. Only one girl was do-able for my picky eyes. Rest were all quite oldish. Most FLs asked for 1 K for ST.
The massage shop scene was quite dismal as well, Soi 24/1 had hardly any good looking girls except outside AllStars and on one occasion, Cancam had two OK looking ones. Snowhite had more than 10 girls but nothing caught my fancy whereas mango had about 8, a little better looking than earlier this year. However the PSE quality appears to have left Mango girls.
Baccara in Soi cowboy was sole exception to the decline this time. This being low season, things were slow in Soi cowboy for sure but the girls in Baccara were much better looking than earlier. All three floors were operational, it wasn't as full as in high season so it was easier to grab a drink and browse. Many girls had good looking bodies, not all were sporting sillies and fake noses as noted earlier in the year but best of all. They were all going topless and completely nude on all floors. Many were opening up their vaginal openings for punters to enjoy the inside view and the moves were a lot more in your face type. A pure bliss and worth the 180 bahts drinks price. Still dominated by Japanese on first two floors.
Overall it appears that decline of Bangkok sex industry continues with a massive drop in number of visitors and a resultant drop in quality and quantity of working girls. I truly miss the vibe of Sukhumvit road when it used to be full of freelancers in the evenings, many of whom were actually amateurs and excellent enthusiastic providers in the bed.Not sure when your good old days were. I did enjoy some freelancers 15 to 20 years ago. I think Thermae declined for Farangs many years ago. I agree with most of your comment on quality looks being hard to find, especially in MPs and free lancers. I must admit not having entered Baccara for well over a year, certainly not since the smoke damage. If you say it has improved dramatically perhaps I should try again, trying to ignore all the fake girls. Sounds like they have decided to copy the Crazy House style, somewhat. Last I was there, it was so boring. Girls just shuffled instead of danced, staring into space so bored. Over dressed and very few non fake girls. Hoping for a big change next visit.
Does Baccara really have 3 floors? I am only aware of two levels, the upper level being for the more raunchy plainer girls previously.
Syzygies, hope you are well. Are there any body slide massage places you recommend? Any specific girls who caught your fancy?Not many places have body slide anymore. I got most of my body slides from Chao Praya 2 in the old days. They probably still have it, but mostly done by buxom girls with big tits. I am not a big fan of Annies for body slide as I am a bit too tall for their space and aircon is too cold. However they may have some girls good at it. I don't know who. In recent times I have had one at Dr. BJ Nuru or Dr. BJ VIP. Not many stunning girls there of course. Colonze 2 is supposed to specialise in body slide, but I never found a girl to my taste there at the time. Small line up.
Skinny Pat at Dr. BJ Nuru was repeatable for me. I think she was better GFE the first time though. Most of my favourites retired and hard to find new girls that live up to the old ones.
Sometimes a little bit of body slide action can be had from girls in the Oilies using oil or gel. However short duration.
Spent only a few nights during rushed tour but was able to observe that business is down big time in MPs and for FLs. On Sukhumvit road there is hardly any space left for girls to stand and their numbers were less than a dozen on weekday evenings. Compare this to hundreds in good old days. Quality was simply not there. The crown in front of Grace hotel was nothing special to write about, quite a few notches below what I saw earlier this year. Only Nana plaza area had same number of FLs but did not see even one face to my liking. Checked out biere garden couple of times on various days. Only one girl was do-able for my picky eyes. Rest were all quite oldish. Most FLs asked for 1 K for ST.
The massage shop scene was quite dismal as well, Soi 24/1 had hardly any good looking girls except outside AllStars and on one occasion, Cancam had two OK looking ones. Snowhite had more than 10 girls but nothing caught my fancy whereas mango had about 8, a little better looking than earlier this year. However the PSE quality appears to have left Mango girls.
Baccara in Soi cowboy was sole exception to the decline this time. This being low season, things were slow in Soi cowboy for sure but the girls in Baccara were much better looking than earlier. All three floors were operational, it wasn't as full as in high season so it was easier to grab a drink and browse. Many girls had good looking bodies, not all were sporting sillies and fake noses as noted earlier in the year but best of all. They were all going topless and completely nude on all floors. Many were opening up their vaginal openings for punters to enjoy the inside view and the moves were a lot more in your face type. A pure bliss and worth the 180 bahts drinks price. Still dominated by Japanese on first two floors.
Overall it appears that decline of Bangkok sex industry continues with a massive drop in number of visitors and a resultant drop in quality and quantity of working girls. I truly miss the vibe of Sukhumvit road when it used to be full of freelancers in the evenings, many of whom were actually amateurs and excellent enthusiastic providers in the bed.Not trying to be a dick, but tourism in Thailand has been increasing year over year. Some years it doesn't increase as much as it did last year, and that's what people are referring to as "decline in tourism". It's only bad for those who invested (bet) that it was going to grow more. EG: buying / loaning money to construction companies to build hotels.
I can assure you, quality is down because there are more tourists here, even in low season, which really isn't even that low if you look at the numbers. Low in the sense that you are making macro level bets, the slightest off on a down trend can cost you all your money.
Not many places have body slide anymore. I got most of my body slides from Chao Praya 2 in the old days. They probably still have it, but mostly done by buxom girls with big tits. I am not a big fan of Annies for body slide as I am a bit too tall for their space and aircon is too cold. However they may have some girls good at it. I don't know who. In recent times I have had one at Dr. BJ Nuru or Dr. BJ VIP. Not many stunning girls there of course. Colonze 2 is supposed to specialise in body slide, but I never found a girl to my taste there at the time. Small line up.
Skinny Pat at Dr. BJ Nuru was repeatable for me. I think she was better GFE the first time though. Most of my favourites retired and hard to find new girls that live up to the old ones.
Sometimes a little bit of body slide action can be had from girls in the Oilies using oil or gel. However short duration.Glad someone asked about body slides, cause I know a great place. Dream Heaven on Soi 33. They do PSE in the sense of enthusiasm falang style sex, as opposed to that Asian shy style. Not PSE as in offering anal.
They offer nuru and regular oil. Nuru just costs like 100 baht more or so. I recommend the one who is usually sitting outside and has huge natural tits, rather dark / tan, is sort of getting a bit fat now though (you'll know know its her if you get the one with really big / pointy nipples).
Does Baccara really have 3 floors? I am only aware of two levels, the upper level being for the more raunchy plainer girls previously.Yes it has 3 floors. There are 2 upper levels 'for the more raunchy plainer girls'. As I found out last time I was there and went upstairs for the first time.
Overall it appears that decline of Bangkok sex industry continues with a massive drop in number of visitors and a resultant drop in quality and quantity of working girls. I truly miss the vibe of Sukhumvit road when it used to be full of freelancers in the evenings, many of whom were actually amateurs and excellent enthusiastic providers in the bed.Actually I think it's the other way around: the massive drop in quality and quantity of working girls resulted in a drop in number of visitors.
Anyway, I miss that 'vibe of Sukhumvit road' you describe so well too. And even more the vibe that Beach Road in Pattaya used to have about 10 years ago.
I miss that 'vibe of Sukhumvit road' you describe so well too. And even more the vibe that Beach Road in Pattaya used to have about 10 years ago.We all miss the past but I wonder if any naive 20 year old is not overwhelmed by the Bangkok scene. Not just the raunchiness of the sex scene but the overall impact of a vibrant SE Asia city.
When I first went to Bangkok, Thailand was really the only easy SE Asia capital to visit. Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam and Mynamar are not on the tourist scene and "sex" was the Bangkok ups.
We all miss the past but I wonder if any naive 20 year old is not overwhelmed by the Bangkok scene. Not just the raunchiness of the sex scene but the overall impact of a vibrant SE Asia city.I think many tech savvy 20's ladies have an on-line presence and offer their wares that way. They get higher prices and do not have to walk the hot Sukhumvit streets. It's easier work for them, and the wave of the future I'm afraid.
SunLover.
I think the biggest change in the Bangkok freelancer scene is the proliferation of smartphones so cheap even a low income Thai girl can buy one. The old hands, and I count myself among them, who still expect to see quality freelancers standing along Sukhumvit Road in the numbers they used to in the pre-smartphone days are looking for them in the wrong place today. There is less and less reason for them to stand in the heat and rain night after night to collect a contact list full of new and regular customers, when all they need is one or two takers per night from their smartphone's contact list to keep them busy and off the street.
Check out the pretty, sexy young girls in bolder than normal attire riding the BTS or MRT, shopping in the malls or walking along Sukhumvit Road, the ones who are not the least bit shy about maintaining eye contact for more than 5 seconds and returning your smile with an even bigger one of their own. Keep smiling, approach her politely and quietly say, "Hello". Turn the screen of your smartphone on, bring up the keypad of your phone app, push it toward her as though you were handing it to her screen side up and simply ask, "You want?" If she is up for a bit of P4P exchange, she will totally understand you are asking her if she'd like to put her phone number on your phone, call herself and thereby add her number to your contact list and yours to hers. In doing so, the two of you will probably automatically connect to your Line accounts as well. Once she has done that, fill in on the names to complete the "introductions" and finalize the creation of this lovely new contact and you're off to the races. You might set a date to meet right then and there. If not, don't be the least bit surprised if she calls you first before nightfall to make an offer.
If she is just a regular girl who isn't interested, she'll refuse and you need only put your phone back into your pocket and very few bystanders will have caught more than a man saying "Hello" to a pretty girl. But that won't be a very likely occurrence once you develop an "eye" for them and as long as they fit the profile of the conditions I mentioned above. Then again, she might be a regular girl who IS interested and you're still off to the races, aren't you? LOL.
In some ways there are many, many more quality freelancers out there than ever before. All over the place, not just on Sukhumvit Road and Soi 4. In fact, the emergence of the ever present smartphone has essentially "recruited" girls and introduced them to the P4P scene who in the past would never have put themselves in the position of standing in a public place and flagging down potential customers.
We all miss the past but I wonder if any naive 20 year old is not overwhelmed by the Bangkok scene. Not just the raunchiness of the sex scene but the overall impact of a vibrant SE Asia city.
When I first went to Bangkok, Thailand was really the only easy SE Asia capital to visit. Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam and Mynamar are not on the tourist scene and "sex" was the Bangkok ups.Bangkok is more like any other Asian big city now. It has lost its edge. And that edge is what made it so captivating for all of us when we first came. The farang YUDs (Young Urban Douchebags) that come here now are far different than the expats of yore. They are not mongers, in fact most are very turned off by the idea and openly show disdain and contempt for us. Many have brought their farang girlfriends with them or prefer to date Western women here. Those that do date the locals opt for a more traditional Western style relationship. Most of these YUDs are living paycheck to paycheck as well. I am involved in the local indie music scene and deal with these folks on a regular basis. 5 min interacting with a 20 something Western woman reinforces the fact that I have zero interest in them. The level of self-absorption is unreal. When I moved to Thailand there were basically three types of expats. Those on fat expat packages, those that had money already, and English teachers most of who had a little means as well. All three of those types loved the local lasses and for two that is the main reason they moved here. Not the case today. The YUD invasion happened as a result of poor employment prospects in the West. While I admire the moxie of these folks to get out of their home country, the are very different from us old school dudes and view BKK as a sort of NYC of SF lite.
I think many tech savvy 20's ladies have an on-line presence and offer their wares that way. They get higher prices and do not have to walk the hot Sukhumvit streets. It's easier work for them, and the wave of the future I'm afraid.
SunLover.Easier and more lucrative. They know that most of the punters out and about are more experienced and will pay less than the guys they can hook online. And hey, can't blame 'them at all. I would rather sit at home on my computer as opposed to sweating in the BG Soi 7.
Hi all,
Visiting BKK next week, if you are in town and wants to party at the "The Pimp", reply to this post.
And I will setup a PM with this site. "The Pimp" is the most wildest gentleman club in BKK.
Cheers.
Crocodilexp
08-27-15, 19:51
I think the biggest change in the Bangkok freelancer scene is the proliferation of smartphones...
Check out the pretty, sexy young girls in bolder than normal attire riding the BTS or MRT, shopping in the malls or walking along Sukhumvit Road, the ones who are not the least bit shy about maintaining eye contact for more than 5 seconds and returning your smile with an even bigger one of their own...
In some ways there are many, many more quality freelancers out there than ever before. All over the place, not just on Sukhumvit Road and Soi 4. In fact, the emergence of the ever present smartphone has essentially "recruited" girls and introduced them to the P4P scene who in the past would never have put themselves in the position of standing in a public place and flagging down potential customers.I do wish things looked as rosy as you paint them, but alas, they do not. How many times have you actually picked up a "freelancer" on the BTS, a what is your success rate (for actual first-meeting sex within a short timeframe, not just a number)?
Sure enough, if you're under 40, look presentable, bold, have some game, perhaps speak a bit of Thai, plus most importantly don't mind putting in the work / time (for uncertain gain), you can pull an average-to-ugly looking Thai girls much, much easier than in any Western country. However, the days when a clueless 50+ year old chump could land at Don Mueang and be shagging a decent looking and friendly younger freelancer the same evening are well and truly over.
Something that puzzles me is that there's no straight out sex-for-pay platform in Thailand (like 141 websites in HK). If there were as many "quality freelancers" as you say, I imagine somebody would have made it by now. Instead, we have "escort" agencies marking up well-worn bargirls.
Such a sex-for-pay meeting website could be slightly indirect, but dating sites are clearly not meant for, and discourage this sort of exchange.
As a sidenote, even regular girls on dating websites like ThaiFriendly are noticeably more difficult to pick up these days than 3-5 years ago. Still silly easy (compared to the dreadful west), but it takes more effort, they're less eager to meet, require a fair bit more chatting, and are less eager to close on the 1st or even 2nd date than before.
The decline in classic pay-for-play is having knock on effects on the regular dating scene, since many naughty boys that would have gone to lower Sukhumvit in the evening are now trawling the websites. The girls are quite a bit more defensive as well, with many profiles being standoffish (emphasizing "don't be a liar or talk about sex" rather than what they offer or hope to find).
The scene is not only shifting, but in true an irreversible decline due to factors beyond anyone's control: firstly demographics (huge fall in birth rate in 1980's, leading to far fewer females of appropriate age), plus increasing living standards (salaries for normal jobs are now sufficient, albeit still low, plus unemployment is almost zero). These days, if you manage to find a normal office girl or university student hooking on the side, it will be for a new iPhone 6 or a car, not to cover the rent or tuition payment.
Member #4591
08-27-15, 19:58
I do wish things looked as rosy as you paint them, but alas, they do not. How many times have you actually picked up a "freelancer" on the BTS, a what is your success rate (for actual first-meeting sex within a short timeframe, not just a number)?
Sure enough, if you're under 40, look presentable, bold, have some game, perhaps speak a bit of Thai, plus most importantly don't mind putting in the work / time (for uncertain gain), you can pull an average-to-ugly looking Thai girls much, much easier than in any Western country. However, the days when a clueless 50+ year old chump could land at Don Mueang and be shagging a decent looking and friendly younger freelancer the same evening are well and truly over.
Something that puzzles me is that there's no straight out sex-for-pay platform in Thailand (like 141 websites in HK). If there were as many "quality freelancers" as you say, I imagine somebody would have made it by now. Instead, we have "escort" agencies marking up well-worn bargirls.
Such a sex-for-pay meeting website could be slightly indirect, but dating sites are clearly not meant for, and discourage this sort of exchange.
As a sidenote, even regular girls on dating websites like ThaiFriendly are noticeably more difficult to pick up these days than 3-5 years ago. Still silly easy (compared to the dreadful west), but it takes more effort, they're less eager to meet, require a fair bit more chatting, and are less eager to close on the 1st or even 2nd date than before.
The decline in classic pay-for-play is having knock on effects on the regular dating scene, since many naughty boys that would have gone to lower Sukhumvit in the evening are now trawling the websites. The girls are quite a bit more defensive as well, with many profiles being standoffish (emphasizing "don't be a liar or talk about sex" rather than what they offer or hope to find).
The scene is not only shifting, but in true an irreversible decline due to factors beyond anyone's control: firstly demographics (huge fall in birth rate in 1980's, leading to far fewer females of appropriate age), plus increasing living standards (salaries for normal jobs are now sufficient, albeit still low, plus unemployment is almost zero). These days, if you manage to find a normal office girl or university student hooking on the side, it will be for a new iPhone 6 or a car, not to cover the rent or tuition payment.He is not saying that there are many freelancers walking on the street picking up guys. All he is saying is, if you take the freelancers working the street, the girls who are not shy in the shopping malls or just walking down the street, freelancers working the clubs and add them to the girls who are currently working the chat apps and Internet sites, there are a wealth of freelancers available. In my opinion the freelance market has more than doubled.
It's always decline decline. I prefer to be a bit mosre realistic. Sex was dirt cheap in Thailnd 20 to 30 years ago. Not any longer. I remember my first long time with a bargirl I paid her 500 Baht. However 30 years ago, was much cheaper than that but I was with a girl so could not partake.
So expats who used to frequent bars very regularly, can't afford it any more. Girls need a lot more money to pay the supermarket bills. The bar decline comes clearly from decline in customers. Thailand gets a lot of bad publicity for tourists too so many sex tourists may go elsewhere.
In one sense I agree that bar girls are declning in looks. There are many more young over weight girls than 20 years ago. There are many more fake tits and in certain bars a lot of fake noses.
Otherwise the quality is much the same. Those who believe there were heaps of stunners many years ago are really kidding themselves. I have photos of bargirls taken in daylight from the past. They were not that stunning mostly, with odd exception. I merely got more and more fussy in the modern day. I am more crital of looks than before. I bet its similar for most guys.
I guess pretty girls have other iptions for work. They don't have to stand on the street. Freelancers were never filled with lookers. Always a lousy bunch. 20 years ago maybe could find some nice lookers in the Thermae who were augmenting their pay from lousy sales job. They were a bit fussy about who they went with. Still the case today with Thermae girls not going with just anyone.
Hundreds or thousands or MPs with not enough business. Is it in decline overall? I doubt it. It's merely the absence of stunners.
Soapies in general are in decline with not enough customers willing to pay that much any more. The number of girls has to drop too.
There are always exceptions, like Nataree, Baccara, Crazy House, etc. Doing very well because they have a girl standard well above the average.
Years ago I never saw a bar with so many good looking girls as Crazy House, for my particular taste.
The decline in customers willing to spend the higher prices has got to be the basis for decline in the whole sex industry.
I can accept that phone freelance hookups is taking over a lot of the old business. I have not moved to this as yet. Still a dinosaur.
I do wish things looked as rosy as you paint them, but alas, they do not. How many times have you actually picked up a "freelancer" on the BTS, a what is your success rate (for actual first-meeting sex within a short timeframe, not just a number)?
Sure enough, if you're under 40, look presentable, bold, have some game, perhaps speak a bit of Thai, plus most importantly don't mind putting in the work / time (for uncertain gain), you can pull an average-to-ugly looking Thai girls much, much easier than in any Western country. However, the days when a clueless 50+ year old chump could land at Don Mueang and be shagging a decent looking and friendly younger freelancer the same evening are well and truly over.
Something that puzzles me is that there's no straight out sex-for-pay platform in Thailand (like 141 websites in HK). If there were as many "quality freelancers" as you say, I imagine somebody would have made it by now. Instead, we have "escort" agencies marking up well-worn bargirls.
Such a sex-for-pay meeting website could be slightly indirect, but dating sites are clearly not meant for, and discourage this sort of exchange.
As a sidenote, even regular girls on dating websites like ThaiFriendly are noticeably more difficult to pick up these days than 3-5 years ago. Still silly easy (compared to the dreadful west), but it takes more effort, they're less eager to meet, require a fair bit more chatting, and are less eager to close on the 1st or even 2nd date than before.
The decline in classic pay-for-play is having knock on effects on the regular dating scene, since many naughty boys that would have gone to lower Sukhumvit in the evening are now trawling the websites. The girls are quite a bit more defensive as well, with many profiles being standoffish (emphasizing "don't be a liar or talk about sex" rather than what they offer or hope to find).
The scene is not only shifting, but in true an irreversible decline due to factors beyond anyone's control: firstly demographics (huge fall in birth rate in 1980's, leading to far fewer females of appropriate age), plus increasing living standards (salaries for normal jobs are now sufficient, albeit still low, plus unemployment is almost zero). These days, if you manage to find a normal office girl or university student hooking on the side, it will be for a new iPhone 6 or a car, not to cover the rent or tuition payment.Could not agree with this post more. There are fewer gals working in the P4 P industry. I don't think that can even be challenged. "Regular" girls also have much higher expectations than they used to, and that goes whether they are dating Thai dudes or Farangs. They tend to want to be with guys from their own age group as well. That being said, if you are a young good looking fellow there are plenty of "hook up" opportunities. And if you have not noticed, lots more young farang guys in BKK these days. Lots more. I was in Pattaya a couple of weekends ago and ventured into the discos. What a shocker that was. They gals were focused on the young guys, and again, there were lots of them. Older guys just looked completely out of place.
One poster spoke about the possibility of meeting FLs on the BTS. While I don't doubt this is possible, I would never do this. I have seen middle aged and older farangs approach gals in this manner and frankly I am always embarrassed for them, no matter whether the gal is really a FL or just a regular gal. The discomfort the gal feels if she is not a P4 P gal is also quite evident. When you see the looks on the other passenger's faces you realize why some have the attitude they do about middle aged and older farang men. There is a time and place for everything.
It would be great if BKK had 141 type action. I doubt it will. Why? I just can't see apts or condos putting up with a stream of random men going in and out. That just wouldn't fly here.
The decline in customers willing to spend the higher prices has got to be the basis for decline in the whole sex industry.I think that increasing wages and more opportunity for the gals has been the basis for the decline of the BKK P4 P industry. Gals can make a living working at a restaurant now. They couldn't 10 years ago. Fewer gals, demand, higher prices. And, hey we came to SE Asia and moved to Thailand because you could live like a rock star on a fraction of what that would cost in the US. Sex was cheap and fun. That was the entire point. You could get laid by SWs in BKK starting at 500 Baht (which was 12.50 USD in 2000) and a great looking GoGo gal (500 Baht BF, 80-100 Baht drinks, 1 K ST fee) would set you back less than 50 USD. Personally I trolled Thermae and Nana Disco and never paid over 1 K. Attitudes were great as well. Sorry, but there would have been no point in coming if these activities would be setting you back over 100 USD, which in many cases they do today. Those times are over, so be it. We know that and accept that. But to hear some guys saying it is "better" now and that girls are more plentiful; well, that is just not true.
I would say of course there are fewer guys willing to spend that kind of money. Hell, I could spend that money, but to me (and to so many others I know who have money), it is just not worth it. Find me a true stunner who performs like a porn star and will get me off twice and I'll pay 100 USD for that.
I did however find a place in Thailand that offers value. Kinnaree Place in Pattaya. Great looking gals who could do well at any GoGo in BKK priced right. 350 for BF and room and 1 K ST to the gal. Beer 90 Baht. If there were a place like this in BKK I would be there two to three time a week.
Prices for Oily MPs have not risen much in 8 years or more. I wasn't using any Oilies before that. Standard of girls has to decline in this situation where they look for more lucrative employment.
The all in price method is gradually coming in everywhere. This had to happen in order that the prices can stealthily be increased over time. Some very cheap places still exist like a Snow White. The girls are not stunning by any means and most look too pudgy too be considered.
In old days Thai girls were slim compared to Farangs. Thai diet is changing. Young girls are eating too much junk meaning processed food out of packets, sugar, french fries, and even white rice is a useless filler food in my opinion. Uselss calories. Anyway one way or another, too high a percentage of Thai working girls are fat or well over weight in the modern day. Unfortunately many controlled their weight by unfortunate means. Ice or slimming tea just 2 examples.
One girl recently told me that taking the contraceptive pill is no good as makes her put on weight. Does not consider her diet at all.
So its only the percentage of fatties that bothers me. I go to places non typical with not so many fatties these days. E. g. Crazy House. Suzi Wong has dropped off the list due to fatties including girls that used to be slim, and disappearance of the favourites with no good replacements.
Prices for Oily MPs have not risen much in 8 years or more. I wasn't using any Oilies before that. Standard of girls has to decline in this situation where they look for more lucrative employment.
The all in price method is gradually coming in everywhere. This had to happen in order that the prices can stealthily be increased over time. Some very cheap places still exist like a Snow White. The girls are not stunning by any means and most look too pudgy too be considered.
In old days Thai girls were slim compared to Farangs. Thai diet is changing. Young girls are eating too much junk meaning processed food out of packets, sugar, french fries, and even white rice is a useless filler food in my opinion. Uselss calories. Anyway one way or another, too high a percentage of Thai working girls are fat or well over weight in the modern day. Unfortunately many controlled their weight by unfortunate means. Ice or slimming tea just 2 examples.
One girl recently told me that taking the contraceptive pill is no good as makes her put on weight. Does not consider her diet at all.
So its only the percentage of fatties that bothers me. I go to places non typical with not so many fatties these days. E. g. Crazy House. Suzi Wong has dropped off the list due to fatties including girls that used to be slim, and disappearance of the favourites with no good replacements.For the most part I don't disagree. However, there may be one factor that keeps the PSE oilies stocked, and that is many of the girls there seem to be from the same areas in Issaan, and often are recruited because they already have friends working at the oilies. At least this is my impression. Once there, their comfort level with the place and co-workers might dictate not moving elsewhere even if the opportunity to make more money might be out there. So there may be some of that going on thereby assuring the oilies will continue to exist.
As to the quality of the girls at the PSE oilies, I agree on average there has been some degradation. But I also wonder whether this is exaggerated a bit. For example, there was one "super-star" at Tulip going back many years, who later worked the oilies circuit. Everyone I knew raved about her. I thought she was butt ugly and I wouldn't have wanted to do her for free. I also have looked at some of the pictures of girls I did (going back to Baron's) and although they may have on average been better than now, the quality was not so outstanding. Indeed, some of the girls I now select at the PSE oilies can compete with some I selected back in the day although I am not saying this is the case on avearge.
So, yeah, things aren't what they used to be, but I think some of us over-idealize the past (perhaps because we were relative newbies back then and our standards have changed).
I think that increasing wages and more opportunity for the gals has been the basis for the decline of the BKK P4 P industry. .
.You are correct!
He is not saying that there are many freelancers walking on the street picking up guys. All he is saying is, if you take the freelancers working the street, the girls who are not shy in the shopping malls or just walking down the street, freelancers working the clubs and add them to the girls who are currently working the chat apps and Internet sites, there are a wealth of freelancers available. In my opinion the freelance market has more than doubled.Exactly what I meant and what is so, IMO. Incidentally, I am way over 40 years old, I suppose have some game (which in Thailand mostly only requires smiling sincerely as possible and being low key and polite) but only speak enough Thai to say Hello, you look pretty, how much?, thank you, stuff most punters could learn on the flight over. Not that you even need it. I still see plenty of more than decent looking freelancers standing up and down Sukhumvit Road and Soi 4 for hours at a time every night of the week with NO 50+ year old chumps approaching them and I know for a fact that virtually all of them would happily go with a 60+ year old chump in a heartbeat for as little as 1000 baht. LOL. Those days are not only NOT over, they are as numerous as they ever were if not more.
Crocodilexp, to answer your question about how many honest to goodness freelancers, not prolonged "dating" prospects I've picked up on the BTS or MRT by simply handing my phone to them with the keypad on screen for them to put their phone numbers in it, I have done it no less than a half dozen times over the past 3 months, but believe I could have done it more often than that. In every case, I could have had a short time with them that very hour but, alas, the reason I was on the BTS or the MRT on those occasions was because I was either on my way to another lady or coming home from one. LOL. Mind you, I do lean heavily on eye contact, exchanged and extended smiles and rather focused non-verbal communication with the girl before I reach into my pocket for my phone. By the time I've handed them my phone both of us are quite clear what both my and her intentions are, and it isn't nearly as random as it might appear to the casual observer.
I just had a great short time with a lovely, slender, young girl I met that way on the BTS a week ago but only had room on my dance card to meet with her this past Wednesday. I have never seen her on any of the usual freelancer strolls within many, many blocks of the Nana BTS station where she got off the train. Her first text to me was "How are you?" My reply was "OK. I want to see you." To which she replied "1000 baht", I said "yes" and she was naked in my room with her legs spread for full access about two hours later. It only took that long because I wanted to eat dinner first.
Ten years ago any farang, even older and overwight, could pretty much walk in a gogo and ask the prettiest girl in the gogo to join him for a drink. You could wave the girl over or have waitress or mamasan get her to come to your table. After a few minutes it was no problem taking her ST or LT. Those days are gone. The girl now chooses the customer and the old guys like me no longer have access to the best in the bar. Also many girls at the top go gos won't even go to the hotel for ST. They want to use a nearby ST hotel. I really believe there has been a serious decline in the monger experience.
Member #4591
08-28-15, 10:34
I just happen to have the details of a pregnant girl that wants to hook up tonight. She replied to one of my social network ads. It's really not my thing but she seems like she needs the cash. 8 months pregnant, 19 and cute. PM me for contact details. Do not ask me to post in the forum because I will ignore and contact details cannot be posted here. You must be in Bangkok and want to hook up today only. I have 2 photos and line ID. She was knocked up by a foreigner, not a Thai man. She is asking 4,000THB.
You could get laid by SWs in BKK starting at 500 Baht (which was 12.50 USD in 2000) and a great looking GoGo gal (500 Baht BF, 80-100 Baht drinks, 1 K ST fee) would set you back less than 50 USD. Personally I trolled Thermae and Nana Disco and never paid over 1 K. Attitudes were great as well. Sorry, but there would have been no point in coming if these activities would be setting you back over 100 USD, which in many cases they do today. Those times are over, so be it.That is just normal inflation. The cost of everything doubles about every 25-30 years: http://staffwww.fullcoll.edu/fchan/macro/2price_and_inflation.htm.
2000 was 15 years ago.
500 baht BF in 2000. It should be 750-800 now. What is it? 600.
80-100 baht drinks (lady? In 2000. It should be 120 - 150 now.
1 K ST Fee, great looking in 2000. It should be 1. 5 K today. Ah, you are right about that. The great looking ones want 2.5 k. The stunner market is pretty much not the same anymore. Still plenty of average / above-average ones though.
Yeah P4P girly quality is now pretty bad. That did in fact dry up, and there are a lot of chubby P4 P girls now. I have seen 3 P4P soapy girls gain significant amount of weight over 2-3 mere months. Once they make that much money, they often just gorge themselves, live it up, spend it all on wine, etc. Also went back to a Soi cowboy gogo and the dancer I BF'ed before had also gained substantial amounts of weight, probably 15 pounds.
I went to Thermae back in March (first time). It was like a place that ugly people paid other ugly people to hook up. There were only 2 average looking girls there on a Friday night. The rest were just really older or were mid twenties but looked like trolls.
Ten years ago any farang, even older and overwight, could pretty much walk in a gogo and ask the prettiest girl in the gogo to join him for a drink. You could wave the girl over or have waitress or mamasan get her to come to your table. After a few minutes it was no problem taking her ST or LT. Those days are gone. The girl now chooses the customer and the old guys like me no longer have access to the best in the bar. Also many girls at the top go gos won't even go to the hotel for ST. They want to use a nearby ST hotel. I really believe there has been a serious decline in the monger experience.Spot on. One of the reasons I choose Thailand as a place to live was in the late 90's I saw all these 60 something dudes with great looking mid-20's gals. Now, those gals would not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on those dudes if they were on fire.
I just happen to have the details of a pregnant girl that wants to hook up tonight. She replied to one of my social network ads. It's really not my thing but she seems like she needs the cash. 8 months pregnant, 19 and cute. PM me for contact details. Do not ask me to post in the forum because I will ignore and contact details cannot be posted here. You must be in Bangkok and want to hook up today only. I have 2 photos and line ID. She was knocked up by a foreigner, not a Thai man. She is asking 4,000THB.I think you need some help. Or a commission?
Member #4591
08-28-15, 15:36
I think you need some help. Or a commission?I'm getting people accusing me of taking a commission, asking me for her phone number, what area she lives in. Guys I'm not a pimp. I have contributed multiple posts to the board and I have no idea about this stuff. If you want her info I have line ID only, and frankly I have just decided not to give it out any further. You guys are too much! Ungrateful and frankly you need to get with the times and use Line. PM's closed for this topic, I will not reply to anymore and I will be asking Jackson to kindly delete the post on my behalf.
Soldierb11
08-28-15, 15:58
I just happen to have the details of a pregnant girl that wants to hook up tonight. She replied to one of my social network ads. It's really not my thing but she seems like she needs the cash. 8 months pregnant, 19 and cute. PM me for contact details. Do not ask me to post in the forum because I will ignore and contact details cannot be posted here. You must be in Bangkok and want to hook up today only. I have 2 photos and line ID. She was knocked up by a foreigner, not a Thai man. She is asking 4,000THB.Hey Bkkdog,
Thanks for the kind offer, I won't arrive to thailand until Tuesday sadly. And don't sweat if others are giving you a hard time. Just ignore them and move on.
Member #4698
08-28-15, 16:29
frankly I have just decided not to give it out any further. You guys are too much! Ungrateful and frankly you need to get with the times and use Line. PM's closed for this topic, I will not reply to anymore and I will be asking Jackson to kindly delete the post on my behalf.No good deed goes unpunished, BKK. That is one of the reasons why I do not give out personal info on my girls. Another reason I do not hand out personal info is that there are too many takers and readers with questionable mores and sexual attitudes on the open forum. I am not willing to put a target on the face of any girl I have had a good time with. I contribute more than sufficient information about places to Find great girls and the APPROACH I have that ensures my favorable success ratio. Ultimately it is up to the individual punter to go out and create his own magic. A pretty simple task in LOS if you ask me.
Lately you have written about hooking up with girls on the social medium; sites like CL, Backpage, Thai Friendly, Thai Love Links, and Twoo. Up to this point, I have not used these sources to FIND girls, but that may change on my next trip. I have engaged in a little light chatting with a couple of cute girls on Thai Friendly. It remains to be seen if I will set up a date, but I agree with you that we have to keep up with the times. In 2015 I first began staying in touch with my favorites using Line, Viber, and WeChat. It was a big improvement over emails. So if more and more attractive FL's are now setting up shop on the internet rather than hanging out in clubs or out on the street, so be it. I will eventually go where the best girls are.
Traveler1234
08-28-15, 16:51
I'm getting people accusing me of taking a commission, asking me for her phone number, what area she lives in. Use your ignore function, this happens all the time.
And NB is right -- there are tons of trolls at ISG that never contribute but are leechers. And next time you'll know -- no harm done! ;)
The term, in "our world", means a working P4 P girl, not strictly linked or employed a bar, a gogo, a massage parlour, an escort website.
She might be hitting the streets, she might be searching for customers in a bar (take beer garden, as an example), she might be advertising on CL, on TF, or similar social media, she might give you the eye in the BTS or in a shopping mall, she might even work in the shopping mall, but at the end you pay.
"Freebie" means a girl will not specifically ask for money, she might enjoy a dining out, movies, maybe some shopping, maybe just happy to have found a FB, or maybe just happy to get (real) taxi money. She might even be a P4 P happy to have a non working sex evening. In this case it helps being hansum, maybe nice and young.
As simple as that.
Crocodilexp
08-28-15, 17:55
I still see plenty of more than decent looking freelancers standing up and down Sukhumvit Road and Soi 4 for hours at a time every night of the week I'm either blind, or we're not thinking about the same Sukhumvit Road and Soi 4. Sure, there is a number of well-worn women around at night, and an occasional one could maybe pass for decent if I squinted real hard. However, most of them have been around for a long time, and look off-puttingly hardened compared to what I was used to seeing there 5-10 years ago (hundreds of girls in the same area, 50% looking better than top 5% do now). I'm not all that picky either, just cannot fail to notice the difference.
Thanks for the tips on the BTS, I'll try to fish for eye contact a bit harder. Unfortunately, the BTS suffers from a negative comparison effect: a girl who might stand out in looks among the dregs of Soi 3 would likely look way too trashy among the BTS office girls.
I'm either blind, or we're not thinking about the same Sukhumvit Road and Soi 4. Sure, there is a number of well-worn women around at night, and an occasional one could maybe pass for decent if I squinted real hard. However, most of them have been around for a long time, and look off-puttingly hardened compared to what I was used to seeing there 5-10 years ago (hundreds of girls in the same area, 50% looking better than top 5% do now). I'm not all that picky either, just cannot fail to notice the difference.
Thanks for the tips on the BTS, I'll try to fish for eye contact a bit harder. Unfortunately, the BTS suffers from a negative comparison effect: a girl who might stand out in looks among the dregs of Soi 3 would likely look way too trashy among the BTS office girls.I fully agree with you about lack of FLs on Sukumvit road. I just mentioned this in my recent report that one evening I noticed just 5/6 girls whereas in past I used to see close to hundred between Nana and T21. Other evenings and nights were not much better. Ditto earlier this year and in Nov last year. I wish things improve but ATM they seem to have taken a turn for the worse.
Member #4591
08-28-15, 19:39
I fully agree with you about lack of FLs on Sukumvit road. I just mentioned this in my recent report that one evening I noticed just 5/6 girls whereas in past I used to see close to hundred between Nana and T21. Other evenings and nights were not much better. Ditto earlier this year and in Nov last year. I wish things improve but ATM they seem to have taken a turn for the worse.The ladies are not walking the streets like they used to. They are sitting in the bars playing the chat apps and getting customers. I actually searched we chat in a bar, found the lady on the app in the same bar and hooked up that way. No need for embarrassing rejections, or mistaken identities. Please check out some of the info I've posted.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3716-Chat-App-Reports
Ten years ago any farang, even older and overwight, could pretty much walk in a gogo and ask the prettiest girl in the gogo to join him for a drink. You could wave the girl over or have waitress or mamasan get her to come to your table. After a few minutes it was no problem taking her ST or LT. Those days are gone. The girl now chooses the customer and the old guys like me no longer have access to the best in the bar. Also many girls at the top go gos won't even go to the hotel for ST. They want to use a nearby ST hotel. I really believe there has been a serious decline in the monger experience.I don't agree. I did experience knock backs 10 years ago. It hasn't got worse. Maybe 20 years ago girls were not supposed to refuse a customer. I am not sure.
Better to get a knock back than a starfish or dick scared girl.
In distant past I can recall girls looking miserable to have been barfined by an asshole type of customer.
To me bargirls have always had ability to refuse sex or to set a high price. In very old times the girls may have needed the money more desperately.
My observation has been the ratio of hot and available FLs, go-go dancers, beer bar girls, and so on to customers offering to take them is the same today as it was 20 years ago when I made my first trips to Thailand; there are many more of those girls available than there are those customers. That's the ratio. More hot girls than there are customers to keep them busy. That has always been the ratio. It is as much a buyer's market today as ever. Maybe more so. At 1:15 AM Nana Plaza closing time last night there were dozens of young, slender, cute or pretty FLs lined up and down Soi 3 waiting for any customer of virtually any age and body-to-weight proportions to stop and talk with them, ask them to do a Short Time. Standing there with a buddy for at least 20 minutes watching a non-stop flow of men of all ages passing by, I rarely saw a man stop to engage or to even say Hello to one of those FLs. I was one of them. I got the biggest smile from one of the cutest girls I've ever seen working the street, an introduction, she held my hand unwilling to let go and virtually begged me to take her for the Short Time or Long Time, my choice.
I thanked her, apologized for not taking her this night and moved on. That's right. I didn't take one of those girls either. Why? Because my friend wanted to go to Thermae for the first time and see what was on tap there. Since his time was limited and he would be flying out of Thailand in a day or two, I wanted to go wherever he wanted to go. The girl who tried to nab me didn't go into details about "how much?" and I didn't bring it up either. Unless I am actually ready to take a girl on the spot, I don't like to get into discussions of things like how much, how long or what's on the agenda. I feel the best time to bring up that stuff is when she is up on her toes ready to be kissed, so to speak, not as some sort of general survey on a night when I know I won't be taking her anyway. But I have no reason to believe this girl would have stood her ground for more than about 1500 baht - 2000 baht for Short Time. She was young and cute enough to get it. Some of the others would have gone for less I believe. But there were definitely some cuties there waiting to be taken but without any takers.
At Thermae, I saw a lovely young lady with light skin, light brown hair, near perfect face and teeth, a super sweet smile, and fantastic legs standing in the line up on the right side, I put down my ice tea no lemon no sugar within minutes of sitting on a stool to check out the talent, stepped over to say Hello, exchange names and, all in English, asked if she was interested in Long Time or just Short Time. She smiled broadly and said, "up to you". I could tell she was hesitating on the Long Time vs Short Time question because we hadn't mentioned anything about money. So I broke the tension by asking her what she wanted for Long Time. She asked for 5000 baht if we did Long Time, I countered with 4000 baht if she stayed until at least 10 AM. She happily agreed and off we went.
It was one of the best first nights with a FL or, for that matter, any P4P girl I've ever had. Well worth the 4000 baht for Long Time that I slipped into her folded clothing the next morning. When she came out of the shower to collect it, she came up to me, hugged me and asked, "Is this for me? Karp khun mak ka!" And when I walked her out, I did not give her more for taxi, just for the hell of it or for any other reason. I had given her 4000 baht as agreed upon in the bar, no more. She was thrilled, must have texted me back 15 times thanking me and hoping I come see her again sometime. Maybe I should have offered her only 2000 baht for Long Time. LOL. No way. This girl was easily one of the 10 best looking girls in Thermae out of at least 80 at that hour.
When she and I walked out of Thermae, hand in hand, there were still at least those 80 other girls, the vast majority of them being more than decent, even very hot girls standing around without a customer, no approaches, no offers. Just like the dozen or more young girls standing outside Nana Plaza a half hour earlier.
And there were also tons of hot go-go dancers walking out of Nana Plaza area at closing time without a customer in hand. I realize they might have had two or more Short Times earlier that evening. But at closing time, which on this night was only 1:15 AM, the vast majority of them had no customer. Maybe some went to after hours bars to scrounge up a customer, I don't know.
A quick overview; I am a 62 year old white guy from the USA. I would not be mistaken for Johnny Depp or Leonardo DiCaprio. But my weight is fairly proportionate to my height with at least an extra few kilos I should not be carrying around. Keeping from packing on many more kilos than that is not much to ask of yourself if you really want to boff and get blown by hot young girls who are often 1/3 your age at retirement, IMO.
I have observed this same scenario almost every night for the past several years that I have lived in Bangkok. Girls, girls, girls, as good looking as I have ever seen working the P4P business in Bangkok, available and waiting to be taken, but no man approaches, no man makes an offer for long stretches of time, sometimes hours. I see no reason in the world that a 50+ year old customer, even with no game at all, would have to go to bed any night of the week in Bangkok without having fucked or been blown by one of these many, many young girls to be seen all over the place, all the P4P venues and everywhere else in the city.
However, I agree that there are fewer FLs standing around the usual haunts. But that takes me back to my original point; that, now as always, there are more available girls than there are interested customers. There is no reason for 10,000 more girls to bus down from the outlying provinces or BTS in from the poorer areas of Bangkok to stand next to girls who are already standing there for hours at a time without a customer. There aren't enough paying customers to justify an influx of more girls.
I suppose we could argue about which came first, the fewer girls or the fewer customers. But I put it on there being fewer customers, fewer men with the gumption, money or both to plan a trip, buy an airline ticket and show up. I have no doubt that if 20,000 more interested customers showed up next month, so many that all of the decent girls in town were truly gone and nowhere to be found after 8 PM, the following month 40,000 more girls from outlying provinces and other areas of Bangkok who, after hearing all about it, would start showing up to capitalize on the opportunity. But as long as there isn't an abundance of paying customers relative to a paltry few decent or hot girls and instead the ratio is the other way around, there is no incentive for even more girls to show up and stand on Sukhumvit Road in the heat and rain for hours at a time playing Candy Crush on their smartphones.
I don't agree. I did experience knock backs 10 years ago. It hasn't got worse. Maybe 20 years ago girls were not supposed to refuse a customer. I am not sure.
.. To me bargirls have always had ability to refuse sex or to set a high price. In very old times the girls may have needed the money more desperately.When you learn that some girls do self barfine for a night out (or more) with friends, you understand that some have less pressure than before to earn money.
Ten years ago any farang, even older and overwight, could pretty much walk in a gogo and ask the prettiest girl in the gogo to join him for a drink. You could wave the girl over or have waitress or mamasan get her to come to your table. After a few minutes it was no problem taking her ST or LT. Those days are gone. The girl now chooses the customer and the old guys like me no longer have access to the best in the bar. Also many girls at the top go gos won't even go to the hotel for ST. They want to use a nearby ST hotel. I really believe there has been a serious decline in the monger experience.Meh, times change. You'll have to go somewhere somewhere cheaper if you don't want to be turned down. As mentioned girls were a lot more desperate in the past but, now they have more opportunities. I prefer this as I spend little to no money on girls who see themselves as independent and I really have no desire to see anyone or any country be held back from advancing. In my lineup I currently have a Mango girl, a retired Snow White girl, a retired Tulip girl, the receptionist from my gym, a private business owner, a college student, an over 18 high school student, a model, a traveling salesman and many other girls that I spend no money on. They spend time with me and fuck me because for whatever reason, they like me. You may have to adjust your methods if you still want to have all the hot girls. All the hot girls are still around but, how you get to them is a little different now.
Member #4643
08-29-15, 22:14
I am going to BKK with a few friends in January, and I want to hire a girl to hang out with me during my stay. My goal is to have a beautiful young Thai who would have sex with me when I was horny, like in the morning, might leave to have some private time during the day while I am working, and then return at night to go to dinner, clubs, music etc. I like to hunt for girls, and a good girl could help me put together threesomes and (if she has friends) maybe some group sex stuff with one of my friends.
I have done this before, but it seems harder to find girls in the old locations. In the past, I used DIA and Tagged, and found one or two willing ladies to keep me company for about $100 USA per day. Now, it seems that no one really wants to discuss getting down with me. Maybe its my age (my profiles say I am 51, but my photos show a younger guy- who is not me LOL). But then again, it was easier only 2 years ago.
Can anyone recommend a better web site for me than DIA or Tagged for finding a semi-pro or even a non hardened pro willing to keep me company for a nice fee?
Any advice would be appreciated. Many thanks! F.
Can anyone recommend a better web site for me than DIA or Tagged for finding a semi-pro or even a non hardened pro willing to keep me company for a nice fee?
Any advice would be appreciated. Many thanks! F.Try the obvious one, craigslist.
I am going to BKK with a few friends in January, and I want to hire a girl to hang out with me during my stay. My goal is to have a beautiful young Thai who would have sex with me when I was horny, like in the morning, might leave to have some private time during the day while I am working, and then return at night to go to dinner, clubs, music etc. I like to hunt for girls, and a good girl could help me put together threesomes and (if she has friends) maybe some group sex stuff with one of my friends. Any advice would be appreciated. Many thanks! F.Goal: Fantasyland!
I am going to BKK with a few friends in January, and I want to hire a girl to hang out with me during my stay. My goal is to have a beautiful young Thai who would have sex with me when I was horny, like in the morning, might leave to have some private time during the day while I am working, and then return at night to go to dinner, clubs, music etc. I like to hunt for girls, and a good girl could help me put together threesomes and (if she has friends) maybe some group sex stuff with one of my friends.
I have done this before, but it seems harder to find girls in the old locations. In the past, I used DIA and Tagged, and found one or two willing ladies to keep me company for about $100 USA per day. Now, it seems that no one really wants to discuss getting down with me. Maybe its my age (my profiles say I am 51, but my photos show a younger guy- who is not me LOL). But then again, it was easier only 2 years ago.
Can anyone recommend a better web site for me than DIA or Tagged for finding a semi-pro or even a non hardened pro willing to keep me company for a nice fee?
Any advice would be appreciated. Many thanks! F.I think you have a few things working against you here. Looking 5 months in advance is basically purposeless as most ladies are looking for NOW and will dismiss you as a fantasy chat wanker. 3,500 baht per day is not a "nice fee" for a "beautiful Thai woman" to agree to the services you described. And January will be high season so the better ladies will be in high demand.
But I wish you luck as this is crazy Thailand we are talking about after all, and please let us know how you make out.
SL.
Member #4643
08-30-15, 04:45
I think you have a few things working against you here. Looking 5 months in advance is basically purposeless as most ladies are looking for NOW and will dismiss you as a fantasy chat wanker. 3,500 baht per day is not a "nice fee" for a "beautiful Thai woman" to agree to the services you described. And January will be high season so the better ladies will be in high demand.
But I wish you luck as this is crazy Thailand we are talking about after all, and please let us know how you make out.
SL.Good points. I need to put my search away for about 4 months. And no, I was not planning to pay this year what I paid two years ago (I will pay whatever seems to be the going rate). And yes, the country is a challenge because it is indeed a crazy place.
Nevertheless, I would welcome suggestions for an effective strategy. I will let you know if things work out.
HotShaneHot
08-30-15, 05:15
Good points. I need to put my search away for about 4 months. And no, I was not planning to pay this year what I paid two years ago (I will pay whatever seems to be the going rate). And yes, the country is a challenge because it is indeed a crazy place.
Nevertheless, I would welcome suggestions for an effective strategy. I will let you know if things work out.I think it's better to wait to you get there you will find a girl that can do all you ask in the first night and only 2,000 Bart per day.
Some girls are only going with man 2 days in every week so if she can get 2000 a day she will do it.
I would start off at the beer garden Soi 7.
Also try Thai friendly on Line and get badoo app on phone before you go.
Hots
When you learn that some girls do self barfine for a night out (or more) with friends, you understand that some have less pressure than before to earn money.Yes, however girls still have to get the rent money. Even dick scared girls are not refusing me when they need money for rent badly. Girls could possibly not afford to BF themselves much 10 years ago. Barfines have not risen that much. 500 up to 600 (or 700) is not a steep rise. Other girls don't worry and are resigned to losing their entire monthly salary in fines for no show or late arrival. They don't care as they live off drink commissions and STs with customer. So although taking many nights off, they still have to go with customers. If they are popular enough, they can be quite choosy. Depends on the demand for them. Some girls get Barfined every single night without fail, even within 30 minutes of opening time, and get multiple customers per night. Others struggle. Other girls are diligent and want their full monthly salary.
However 10 years ago, I still found girls that were choosy about going with a customer. I happened to like one girl who was a professional dancer and rarely went with customers at all. She claimed to like Teddy Bear like guys. I wasn't her type. There was no price negotiation. Some girls like younger guys. One girl at Long Gun was my friend but consistently refused to go with me. Eventually agreed to go with me but was crap in bed, so I should have accepted her reluctance. Unfortunately I wanted her, because she was a tall stunner, fabulous body and face. However learn the lesson.
Now I am 10 years older, I do not get knocked back any more than before. I probably look about 50 or so now. Could help that I lost weight, I don't know. One dancer at Crazy House, "Kaafae" (Coffee) say she would prefer to go to a disco. Maybe was her period, or she heard rumours about me from other girls. She probably likes to fuck young guys. Whatever, but generally very few knockbacks. If a girl is not that keen, fine, find another one. Crazy House has plenty to choose from.
I would obviously get a lot of knockbacks if I tried to be really stingy. So maybe some guys are getting knock backs for that reason in particular, that they just don't want to pay what the girls expects, compared to 10 years ago.
HotShaneHot
08-30-15, 05:35
Could not agree with this post more. There are fewer gals working in the P4 P industry. I don't think that can even be challenged. "Regular" girls also have much higher expectations than they used to, and that goes whether they are dating Thai dudes or Farangs. They tend to want to be with guys from their own age group as well. That being said, if you are a young good looking fellow there are plenty of "hook up" opportunities. And if you have not noticed, lots more young farang guys in BKK these days. Lots more. I was in Pattaya a couple of weekends ago and ventured into the discos. What a shocker that was. They gals were focused on the young guys, and again, there were lots of them. Older guys just looked completely out of place.
One poster spoke about the possibility of meeting FLs on the BTS. While I don't doubt this is possible, I would never do this. I have seen middle aged and older farangs approach gals in this manner and frankly I am always embarrassed for them, no matter whether the gal is really a FL or just a regular gal. The discomfort the gal feels if she is not a P4 P gal is also quite evident. When you see the looks on the other passenger's faces you realize why some have the attitude they do about middle aged and older farang men. There is a time and place for everything.
It would be great if BKK had 141 type action. I doubt it will. Why? I just can't see apts or condos putting up with a stream of random men going in and out. That just wouldn't fly here.So true I have been seeing lots more young guys in Udon then before maybe 2 months ago I was with one of my girlfriends she is 19.
And as we eat breakfast a group of young men come in to eat too.
Her eyes lit up and she said to me yummy yummy I want it was so funny.
Hots
I am going to BKK with a few friends in January, and I want to hire a girl to hang out with me during my stay. My goal is to have a beautiful young Thai who would have sex with me when I was horny, like in the morning, might leave to have some private time during the day while I am working, and then return at night to go to dinner, clubs, music etc. I like to hunt for girls, and a good girl could help me put together threesomes and (if she has friends) maybe some group sex stuff with one of my friends.
Yes its possible but rather difficult to find, since you want a horny bisexual girl, and certainly not for $100 per day. Try 200 plus for a beautiful girl (less for an ugly one). You could get an Escort for 10000 Baht per day, but I haven't tried this method as yet. Anyway, as other poster mentioned, its too soon and you have to find the right one yourself.
I always approach these things gradually. Like firstly take a girl short time. If that is great consider moving to all night. If that is great several times, then consider moving to a multi-day booking. You really need good chemistry for it to work that well, in my opinion. Without this approach, how do you know you have the right girl?
Wolvenvacht
08-30-15, 08:10
Maybe its my age (my profiles say I am 51, but my photos show a younger guy- who is not me LOL).Really? I don't think that is a good idea to realize your plans. What respect can you expect if you sail under a false flag? If she doesn't care then she is likely either blind, a hardened pro only interested in the money or a desperate girl.
We here complain about "bait and switch" or even photo-shopped pictures on the websites of the oilies, soapies or escort-agencies, but obviously this is a one way street only it seems.
Member #4591
08-30-15, 14:16
I'm always getting PM's asking where to go when the window of time is very short. This is my idea for a PM I received recently. Arrive early Friday morning at 2:00 AM. Check in at Nana hotel. I should have pre-booked an outcall massage but I don't want any disappointments or surprises so me and my buddy quickly check-in, got for a quick shower, dress up respectfully, and put on the cologne. We head out onto the town. While passing by the countless street girls we contemplate choosing one but we are scared of being robbed because street girls are working there for a reason. We head over to Climax on Soi 11 or Insanity on Soi 12. The working girls can be seen dancing and and we can chat them up and choose the one we like the best. They are already drunk and can easily agree to our offers. Hop in a taxi and back to the hotel. 9 AM we hop out of bed, wake the girl up, pay her and kick her out.
Friday 11:00 AM- After a long flight and a night of action you take a quick shower and head down Soi 4. Stop at one of the many restaurants for a good hearty breakfast. When finished you and your friend walk 5 minutes down the road to Annie's. You and him choose the friendliest looking girls, pay the 2,500 upfront and head in. The next two hours you will spend in soapy heaven with 2 shots, one in the tub and one on the bed.
Friday afternoon and Evening- Next you are dead tired so after Annie's you head back to the hotel for a nap. Wake up around 7, shower, and head out. You grab a burger across from your hotel in front of Nana plaza and then go on in. You poke your head in Rainbow 4 and you are stunned by all the hotties but the door man tells you that you cannot go in unless you pay 1,000 baht entry. You decline and move on to Angel witch. You see many awesome girls dancing half nude or even nude sometimes. You sit back and enjoy the famous shows they have. A beautiful girl catches your eye, you call her over and buy her a drink. Oh wait I think you get the point now. LOL. The rest will be a shorter version. You and your buddy bar fine 2 ladies 2,500ST. After this head over to Soi Cowboy and go on into Crazy Horse (House). Stunned by all the girls you and your buddy bar fine 2 girls LT.
Saturday- You do a full day of Oilies- Mango in the morning at 11, Snow white in the afternoon, and Nateree in the early evening. After a few hours sleep you head out to The Pimp gentlemen's club. You are exhausted from the day's activities so you chill with the hot girls. At 2:00 AM you get your second wind and try to take one of these hotties home. She quotes 6,000ST. You think for a minute and you and your buddy decide to go back to the hotel and sleep off the day's activities. But then at the last minute you detour and head over to Soi 11 Climax. You run into the same girls from before and decide to swap this time with your buddy.
Sunday morning- wake up exhausted, do one last session at Annie's, pack your stuff and head to the airport. Wait we forgot the white girls. Oh well. Who wants to go to Thailand to meet white girls anyways.
I'm always getting PM's asking where to go when the window of time is very short. This is my idea for a PM I received recently. Arrive early Friday morning at 2:00 AM. Check in at Nana hotel. I should have pre-booked an outcall massage but I don't want any disappointments or surprises so me and my buddy quickly check-in, got for a quick shower, dress up respectfully, and put on the cologne. We head out onto the town. While passing by the countless street girls we contemplate choosing one but we are scared of being robbed because street girls are working there for a reason. We head over to Climax on Soi 11 or Insanity on Soi 12. The working girls can be seen dancing and and we can chat them up and choose the one we like the best. They are already drunk and can easily agree to our offers. Hop in a taxi and back to the hotel. 9 AM we hop out of bed, wake the girl up, pay her and kick her out.
Friday 11:00 AM- After a long flight and a night of action you take a quick shower and head down Soi 4. Stop at one of the many restaurants for a good hearty breakfast. When finished you and your friend walk 5 minutes down the road to Annie's. You and him choose the friendliest looking girls, pay the 2,500 upfront and head in. The next two hours you will spend in soapy heaven with 2 shots, one in the tub and one on the bed.
Friday afternoon and Evening- Next you are dead tired so after Annie's you head back to the hotel for a nap. Wake up around 7, shower, and head out. You grab a burger across from your hotel in front of Nana plaza and then go on in. You poke your head in Rainbow 4 and you are stunned by all the hotties but the door man tells you that you cannot go in unless you pay 1,000 baht entry. You decline and move on to Angel witch. You see many awesome girls dancing half nude or even nude sometimes. You sit back and enjoy the famous shows they have. A beautiful girl catches your eye, you call her over and buy her a drink. Oh wait I think you get the point now. LOL. The rest will be a shorter version. You and your buddy bar fine 2 ladies 2,500ST. After this head over to Soi Cowboy and go on into Crazy Horse (House). Stunned by all the girls you and your buddy bar fine 2 girls LT.
Saturday- You do a full day of Oilies- Mango in the morning at 11, Snow white in the afternoon, and Nateree in the early evening. After a few hours sleep you head out to The Pimp gentlemen's club. You are exhausted from the day's activities so you chill with the hot girls. At 2:00 AM you get your second wind and try to take one of these hotties home. She quotes 6,000ST. You think for a minute and you and your buddy decide to go back to the hotel and sleep off the day's activities. But then at the last minute you detour and head over to Soi 11 Climax. You run into the same girls from before and decide to swap this time with your buddy.
Sunday morning- wake up exhausted, do one last session at Annie's, pack your stuff and head to the airport. Wait we forgot the white girls. Oh well. Who wants to go to Thailand to meet white girls anyways.Thanks a lot Bkkdog for your planning of a short trip to BKK and posting it here for the benefit for all. This is all this forum is about.
It will help a lot. How much is the Pimp G club entry? Are Climax Soi11 and Insanitty Soi 12 open whole night?
Wolvenvacht
08-30-15, 14:27
We head out onto the town. While passing by the countless street girls we contemplate choosing one but we are scared of being robbed because street girls are working there for a reason. Wow, putting the prejudice-dial to 11!
Member #4591
08-30-15, 15:24
Wow, putting the prejudice-dial to 11!You have totally missed the point or this point for that matter. Thanks for coming out though.
Member #4591
08-30-15, 15:29
Thanks a lot Bkkdog for your planning of a short trip to BKK and posting it here for the benefit for all. This is all this forum is about.
It will help a lot. How much is the Pimp G club entry? Are Climax Soi11 and Insanitty Soi 12 open whole night?The Pimp charges no entry if you buy a bottle. There are many packages but they will not do you any good because you will not being staying for the month. Buy one bottle for 4,400 baht and free mix and split it with your friend. Often there are specials but not on Friday or Saturday. The girls will run you about 3,000 each for 2-3 hours of pampering and serving you with the chance of taking one home if the mood is right. They are expensive though as stated. Climax is open until about 3 or 4 and Insanilty can sometimes go until almost 5 AM. Hope that helps.
Wolvenvacht
08-30-15, 15:34
You have totally missed the point or this point for that matter. Thanks for coming out though.Indeed I missed "the point", but perhaps "the point" was not well made, so pray, please explain what it was. :)
Member #4591
08-30-15, 15:47
Indeed I missed "the point", but perhaps "the point" was not well made, so pray, please explain what it was. :)You know there was no need to turn a positive thing into a negative thing. If you read the post more clearly, a seasoned BKK monger such as yourself should be able to get the point quite easily. It is full of stereotypical things to help a new monger visiting Bangkok for a short time so they can get the most benefit out of their limited visit. That is all I'm going to say. Happy mongering to you kind Sir.
The Pimp charges no entry if you buy a bottle. There are many packages but they will not do you any good because you will not being staying for the month. Buy one bottle for 4,400 baht and free mix and split it with your friend. Often there are specials but not on Friday or Saturday. The girls will run you about 3,000 each for 2-3 hours of pampering and serving you with the chance of taking one home if the mood is right. They are expensive though as stated. Climax is open until about 3 or 4 and Insanilty can sometimes go until almost 5 AM. Hope that helps.Thanks for the clarification again. I think g club Pimp will be too expensive affair:4500+3000+6000=13500,In that price I can have 2 escorts visiting me at my room Isn't it? Any how these are personal choices and about how big pocket you have. I understand the experience and ambiance will be different there and one must go there to atleast have an experience of it.
Member #4591
08-30-15, 15:56
Thanks for the clarification again. I think g club Pimp will be too expensive affair:4500+3000+6000=13500,In that price I can have 2 escorts visiting me at my room Isn't it? Any how these are personal choices and about how big pocket you have. I understand the experience and ambiance will be different there and one must go there to atleast have an experience of it.Exactly, and that's why you pass on her offer but you go for the experience. 4,400/2 plus the girls for a couple of hours. You are each in for 4- 5,000 each. Believe me you won't regret it! I have never taken a girl up on her 6,000 Baht offer there but I did get lucky once and pulled the girl for free. We actually dated for a couple of months.
Butzelmann
08-30-15, 17:25
I agree with you that 5 months too early. Especially on online platforms. But, 3,500 baht fee per day is in my opinion more than enough. Especially when food, drinks and other purchases / Gifts added. My friends and I spend less. Maybe Forest is better advised to dispense entirely with web services, and searches his luck in the famous pubs (for example Beer Garden, Bus Stop, etc.). There are also beauties. So down from the comfortable chair and get out on the road.
My first two visits to Bangkok were both in May, this next trip will be in February. What should I expect in February compared to May?
Climax and Insanity were open till 2 on weekdays and longer on weekends. But if you buy the bottle at the entrance of Climax there was a 50% discount, you need to pay for the mixers seperately.
Thanks a lot Bkkdog for your planning of a short trip to BKK and posting it here for the benefit for all. This is all this forum is about.
It will help a lot. How much is the Pimp G club entry? Are Climax Soi11 and Insanitty Soi 12 open whole night?
Member #4591
08-30-15, 19:25
Climax and Insanity were open till 2 on weekdays and longer on weekends. But if you buy the bottle at the entrance of Climax there was a 50% discount, you need to pay for the mixers seperately.Monday-Thursday Climax and Insanity are open well past 2:00 AM. I was at Insanity just last week at 4:00 AM on a Thursday. Climax always closes around 3-3:30 but has seen it go till 4:00 AM. Depends on the crowd.
Wolvenvacht
08-30-15, 19:51
My first two visits to Bangkok were both in May, this next trip will be in February. What should I expect in February compared to May?The hotels are more expensive, there are more tourists and historically February is the driest month.
Robert Long
08-30-15, 20:22
I'm meeting a GF there mid September. I will arrive a few days earlier than her. Any action in that area? I assume that the many ladies that work in the bars and restos are available. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Very difficult to get to the Suk area from there and expensive by taxi, back and forth.
RL.
Key Master
08-30-15, 20:22
Monday-Thursday Climax and Insanity are open well past 2:00 AM. I was at Insanity just last week at 4:00 AM on a Thursday. Climax always closes around 3-3:30 but has seen it go till 4:00 AM. Depends on the crowd.How was Insanity? The numbers seemed to have dropped precipitously with the new closing times. Hearing it's closing at 4 am is new to me because last time they were closing probably around 230 with not many customers in March when I was there last.
Member #4591
08-30-15, 21:07
I'm meeting a GF there mid September. I will arrive a few days earlier than her. Any action in that area? I assume that the many ladies that work in the bars and restos are available. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Very difficult to get to the Suk area from there and expensive by taxi, back and forth.
RL.Typically this is not a mongering zone. Hit up the chat apps. Take a look at my blog in the lower section.
Member #4591
08-30-15, 21:08
How was Insanity? The numbers seemed to have dropped precipitously with the new closing times. Hearing it's closing at 4 am is new to me because last time they were closing probably around 230 with not many customers in March when I was there last.It's now almost September. Times change.
The hotels are more expensive I booked the Areca lodge in Pattaya for $54 in February, in May that rate drops to $51. The Pharacha suites has a non refundable buy it now price of $54 for both February and May. I did notice that some of the cheaper hotels that normally charge $30 per night in May are asking for $48.
As to the tourist situation, I'm hoping that the hunt for talent isn't too strained with the extra guys on the prowl. I'm guessing though that staying close to the gogo's (Areca by LK metro, Phara by Nana) I'll avoid needing to grab taxi's to and from the clubs.
I booked the Areca lodge in Pattaya for $54 in February, in May that rate drops to $51. The Pharacha suites has a non refundable buy it now price of $54 for both February and May. I did notice that some of the cheaper hotels that normally charge $30 per night in May are asking for $48.
As to the tourist situation, I'm hoping that the hunt for talent isn't too strained with the extra guys on the prowl. I'm guessing though that staying close to the gogo's (Areca by LK metro, Phara by Nana) I'll avoid needing to grab taxi's to and from the clubs.Ha ha jumbled Thai words. Phachara is probably what you mean. Sounds like Put-char-rar as in golf Put.
I'm meeting a GF there mid September. I will arrive a few days earlier than her. Any action in that area? I assume that the many ladies that work in the bars and restos are available. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Very difficult to get to the Suk area from there and expensive by taxi, back and forth.
RL.Khao San road is a dump for young people back packers. Advise to stay near corner of Sukhumvit and Asoke for first few days.
If stay in Khao San road, girls won't want to go with you to there. You can use ST hotels in Suk area.
As an experienced person, if I wanted to get to Sukhumvit from Khao San, I would catch a motorcycle to the canal ferry wharf and go to Asoke or Nana Ferry wharf by long tail boat then motorcycle from there. Return late at night by taxi is OK say 30 minutes,. But slow taxi trip in traffic, say 45 minutes to an hour in daytime, maybe more.
There are buses from Khao San road or catch no. 508 from Sao Ching Cha. Get motorcycle to there or walk there 1 km.
Hopefully you decide against Khao San for first few days. Its not even close to Silom.
There is very low class action in China town. Sao Botan is a Soapy only half way to Sukhumvit. Not many stunners there. Plenty of older girls. Chao Praya 3 is on other side of Chao Praya river.
Somewhere15
08-31-15, 06:30
I'm meeting a GF there mid September. I will arrive a few days earlier than her. Any action in that area? I assume that the many ladies that work in the bars and restos are available. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Very difficult to get to the Suk area from there and expensive by taxi, back and forth.
RL.Between 10:00 PM and 02:00 AM many office girls end there the day in the disco's on Kho San Road. Its a nice way of making contact but its not always lead to the expected goal. But sometimes you can find a gem there.
Somewhere15
08-31-15, 06:37
My first two visits to Bangkok were both in May, this next trip will be in February. What should I expect in February compared to May?In general the weather is much more hotter in February then in May.
February has no Buddha holidays so drinking and monger wise there is less disturtion.
John Doe69
08-31-15, 06:53
I'm meeting a GF there mid September. I will arrive a few days earlier than her. Any action in that area?You can try your luck with one of the backpacker girls. They are often looking for a holiday adventure.
For Thai girls (or boys, up to your taste):
If you walk a bit to the east you could stroll around the quarter east of canal and Thanon Alsadand, Trok Krut and up to Ratchadamnoen Klang. This is where Thai people go. You can even check out the area using google street view. Lots of girls sitting around waiting for customers.
Similar action around Sanam Luang after dawn.
I still recommend to stay in a different area.
In general the weather is much more hotter in February then in May.
February has no Buddha holidays so drinking and monger wise there is less disturtion.Don't you mean that May is usually hotter (and much wetter) than February in Bangkok?
Somewhere15
08-31-15, 15:12
Don't you mean that May is usually hotter (and much wetter) than February in Bangkok?Although you graph is not showing this, in my perception yes.
In my feeling the "as feel" temparature is much higher during December till March.
Many Thai people call this also summer time (with sometimes nearly NO rain and very hot temperature and no cloud).
Songkran is the start of Thai New Year and also the start of the raining season, with in general in September and October the most rain.
And I speak for the Bangkok area; in places like Chang Mai it is much different.
Although you graph is not showing this, in my perception yes.
In my feeling the "as feel" temparature is much higher during December till March.
Many Thai people call this also summer time (with sometimes nearly NO rain and very hot temperature and no cloud).
Songkran is the start of Thai New Year and also the start of the raining season, with in general in September and October the most rain.
And I speak for the Bangkok area; in places like Chang Mai it is much different.I don't know where you have spent February over the past years but you got that one wrong. April and May are always the hottest months.
Although you graph is not showing this, in my perception yes.
In my feeling the "as feel" temparature is much higher during December till March.
Many Thai people call this also summer time (with sometimes nearly NO rain and very hot temperature and no cloud).
Songkran is the start of Thai New Year and also the start of the raining season, with in general in September and October the most rain.
And I speak for the Bangkok area; in places like Chang Mai it is much different.You must have been some where else. December and early January are clearly the coolest time of year.
Then gradually gets hotter to peak in April.
Best Phuket weather and beauty of the sea is Dec and Jan, but Koh Samui is more beautiful Feb and March. Seasons a little different on each coast of Thailand.
HurHurRahRah
09-01-15, 01:58
Had my first Bangkok trip in the past few weeks, it was only a short 3 days stay but damn it was awesome.
For the bars I did visit both Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy. Only went into 2 bars each for reasons I will elaborate later.
At Nana I went to look at Bangkok Bunnies which claimed to be the newest of the bunch as well as Spanky's. Bangkok Bunnies was a let down, not as big as advertised and the girls weren't really a good bunch either. Hopefully they will get better after their grand opening that should come soon. Spanky's was quite a sight indeed, all the bubbles show but still somehow it didn't feel right.
At Soi Cowboy I visited Crazy House and Baccarat. I personally think Soi Cowboy is the one for me rather than Nana. Baccarat looks like a nicely run place. The dance performances were great, girls looked fine although like what other mongers have stated before, many of the performers can be easily seen as plastic. However, you will find good gems there. Bee no. 88 is my go-to girl there, sweet girl from Isaan.
While Crazy House, oh boy this place IS the real deal. Once you get comfortable and going, you can just have so much fun inside. Full nude show, natural meat, you can't really complain for what they offer. Yes the big-boned mamasan can always ruin the show for you, but maybe next time I should dash to the right side of the side to avoid her since she always seemed to be on the left side of the entrance. No. 46 is a little great dancer who has a BIG thing for tequila and damn she's a wild one.
Other than that I also dropped by Nataree once. Comparing it to Emanuelle and Alaina, Nataree offers about 4-5 x the selection. The rooms looked decent as well, couldn't really picked anything wrong with the room I was given on the 4th floor. Would recommend for mongers to come to see for themselves.
I did go to other places such as Kasalong and Thermae but maybe that's a story for another time, cheers!
Bangkok. Day 1.
I arrived in BKK and immediately made my way to my hotel for a long nap before going out for the evening. I opted to stay at the Hyatt during this visit given the reviews that I read on tripadvisor. It proved to be a great choice and while not all that close to the red light districts of Soi Cowboy or Nana, it does have Spasso on the LL which I wanted to check out.
My first place to visit was Labelle, a beautiful soapy massage establishment with beautiful ladies. The papasan appeared to recognize me from my trip back in Nov '13 and immediately welcomed me back. After a beer and some dinner, I selected my first girl for 5000 THB. She was a very beautiful lady but her service was just okay and nothing spectacular. After about a 45 minute rest period, I saw a girl I was with on my last visit and went back with her. She was also 5000 THB and worth every penny. I was going to stay a little longer at Labelle but when I went back to the lounge it appeared that just about all of the girls were in rooms with customers and the papasan explained that they got busy. That's what's intersting about Labelle. It's not a place where a lot of "farang" visit for some reason but Thai and Japanese men come in groups so you may have 5-6 Japanese men come in together and before you know it there are that many girls no longer available.
Upon leaving Labelle, I made my way to Soi Cowboy and stopped in Baccara. I like the girls at Baccara but most of the girls there don't like Farang and many won't even make eye contact with you if you are a white guy. It doesn't matter how much money you have in your pocket, they simply won't look at you or talk to you. Fortunately I did meet one of the hotter girls and she liked farang. Given how good she looked, I didn't waste any time with her and immediately bar fined her for the night. I wanted to take a second girl but she wasn't willing to leave with a farang. What a shame. Back to the Hyatt this little lady was amazing in bed. I kept this lady for about two hours and let her go after two rounds.
After my girl from Baccara left my room, I decided to go downstairs to Spasso and check out the scene. It was about 1:30 and the place was in full swing and there were a lot of working girls. I saw one girl that I really liked but she was with another man and I had no more energy to take her even if she was free. I did speak to her briefly and exchanged numbers with her, but it wasn't happening this night. What I found so amazing about Spasso is that it's a bar / restaurant in a Hyatt Hotel (a Chicago based corporation) and its nothing more than a bar for high-end escorts to meet white men (very few Asian men in Spasso). Around 3 am I spotted a cute girl in a pretty white outfit and decided to invite her to my room for the rest of the night. While I really wasn't horny, I thought it would be nice to have a pretty Thai lady in my bed sleeping next to me. I took this little lady up to my room and I just had no energy for any sex and even though she managed to get me hard, I knew I wouldn't be able to get off especially with a condom. I did try to have sex with her in the morning but I wasn't all that horny and she had stinky pussy which is a huge turnoff for me. It was a total waste of money but the price of doing business.
From talking to the ladies at Spasso, most of them quote prices in USD and want $300 for short-time and $500 for long-time. It also appeared that many girls are high-end escorts that also have other jobs during the day but are at Spasso 4-5 nights a week. While these ladies look fantastic in their pretty dresses, heels and full makeup in the dark bar, you are sort of rolling the dice when it comes to what they will look like naked and what kind of service you will get for that much money. They are definitely pros and know how to work the bar to hustle the men that visit Spasso. I think Spasso is a great option for a man staying at the Hyatt that just wants to pick up a girl for the night and not leave the hotel. In my opinion however, one is much better off going to a high-end soapy or picking up a pretty bar girl from Cowboy or Nana.
Day 2.
After an amazing breakfast at the Hyatt, I slept most of the day and finally got up around 4 pm. I had made plans tonight to meet the escort that I exchanged phone numbers with at Spasso the prior night which gave me plenty of time to return to Labelle. The selection on this Saturday afternoon wasn't too good but I did select a girl for 6000 THB. While this girl looked good in her dress, I didn't find her body all that attractive once she got naked. What I did like about this girl was she was the first girl that would french kiss and she gave the best blow job.
Given the poor selection at Labelle, I opted to leave and planned to take a taxi to Poseidon. On my way to Poseidon the taxi driver passed Utopia, the sister club to Labelle, and I asked him to stop. While I didn't see any girls in Utopia that I wanted, I did manage to have a good conversation with a local Thai man that enjoys soapy massage places as much as me. I asked him where the most beautiful Thai girls are regardless of price. He shared with me that The Lord Palace and Tarawadee are the premier soapies in Bangkok and are quite expensive. He explained that this is where the wealthy Thai and Japanese men go. He explained that there are many many high-end soapies in Bangkok with beautiful girls but these two place were know by locals as the best. Needless to say, I was in a taxi and on my way to The Lord within minutes.
Walking into The Lord is almost like walking into a palace. It's absolutely huge and very grand. They actually had a band playing in the lounge which I thought was pretty cool. There were about 30 girls available and all of them were very beautiful. I felt like a kid in a candy store. I waited about 30 minutes before selecting a girl and then saw the one that I wanted. She was gorgeous and was wearing a beautiful dress. She was a XL and was 8000 THB (where can you have sex with a girl that's a 10 for $240 USD other than a soapy in Thailand? The young lady was not only beautiful, she was also really sweet and very funny. She spoke okay English and told me a lot about The Lord. She explained that very few customers are white men and that there were very few girls working on this Saturday. She informed me that there are over 100 girls working on a weekday and that the XX girls are like super models and none were working this night. My session with this Thai lady was amazing and possibly the best on this trip so far. I will return but will also check out Tarawadee tomorrow.
I returned to the Hyatt around 9:30 pm and was pretty exhausted but I had plans to meet a girl at Spasso at 10:30. I went downstairs around 10:15 and while Spasso wasn't crowded, most of the people in the club were actually escorts. There had to have been 25+ escorts sitting around waiting for men to come in. Many of them looked very beautiful but none better than the ladies that I had just seen at The Lord. My "date" arrived around 11 pm and we spoke about going immediately to my room but she informed me that she could not do long-time tonight. Not feeling all that horny and not necessarily wanting to spend $300 for short-time when I didn't really need more sex, I used that as an opportunity to call it a night and to get some rest for a good day tomorrow at The Lord. For me, I only have so much stamina and have to pace myself on trips like this and can only have so much sex each day.
Day 3.
My plan for Sunday was to check out Tarawadee in the mid-afternoon then return to The Lord and end the night by making a visit to Nana Plaza.
I took a taxi from the Hyatt to Tarawadee and it proved to be about a 30 minute drive with reasonable traffic. It is located in an area of Bangkok where I have never been which is probably why I had never heard much about the place. Unfortunately at 4:30 on a Sunday there were not too many ladies working. I ordered a beer and waited about 45 minutes for a lady to really capture my attention. Sadly, while the ladies were attractive, there wasn't anyone that I really wanted expend my precious energy on and I grabbed a taxi to The Lord. The papasan said they have over 100 ladies working on weekdays but Saturday and Sunday aren't good.
When I arrived at The Lord around 5:30 there were about 25-30 ladies in the lounge area. While I thought I would wait a little while before picking, one GORGEOUS lady kept smiling at me and I just couldn't wait. Without question, this lady is probably the most beautiful Thai lady I have ever been with and my 90 minutes with her was incredible. She was very happy that I picked her out of the line up and did everything possible to make my time with her extra special. I seldom ever perform oral on a working girl but I couldn't resist with her. While I would have liked to have extended my session with her for another 90 minutes, she was tired and really wanted to go home (It took me a really long time to get off and she really earned every baht she received). We exchanged contact information and will definitely see each other during my next return to Bangkok. The sweet lady even sent me a text later in the night and wished me a safe flight home.
When I returned to the lounge there were a lot of beautiful ladies to select from but I needed a good hour to recover from my first session. Unfortunately this proved to work against me because it got really busy with a steady stream of customers coming in and picking the girls. I soon began to notice that many customers appeared to have made advanced bookings with their favorite girl, or in some cases, with their favorite girls. I saw quite a few men go upstairs to the suites with 2-3 girls. Being the inquisitive type, I wanted to know more about how The Lord really works and I got some good intel from a guy from HK. He shared that many Japanese and Chinese come in together in groups and share the cost of a large suite. They then either pick girls from the lounge or the papasan arranges a line-up in their suite. He also shared that many customers buy a VIP membership at 25000,50000 or 100000 levels. Lastly he pointed out that many men come in and take girls for 2-3 sessions or 3 to 4. 5 hours. He advised me and I was also told by one of the mamasans that very few farang come there and it's mostly Asian men primarily from Japan. It was even suggested that they really do not want to attract the farang and prefer farang stay in the tourist areas along Sukhumvit. That being said, I was actually treated nicely by the papasans / mamasans and all of the girls I met.
After a couple hours of waiting and enjoying some dinner and a few beers, two of the 6 or 7 girls that I had my eye on entered the lounge within minutes of each other and I made a spontaneous decision to take both of them at the same time. It was one of the best decisions I made on the trip because it was 90 minutes that I will never forget. I had the best time with these two ladies and it was one of those moments that you only dream about. These two were totally uninhibited and I plan on doing two girls more often.
By this time it was about 11:30 pm and since the place closes at midnight, I took a taxi to Nana Plaza to check out the scene. I wasn't looking to take a gogo girl back to my hotel but I just wanted to see what was happening. To my surprise I actually saw many of the same girls I had seen on my trip back in November '13. I even saw a girl from Rainbow that I had on my last night in Bangkok and even considered taking her again since it was once again my last night in Bangkok. Too bad I made the mistake of leaving to check out other gogos and assumed she'd still be there when I got back. That's one of those things that I think every guy needs to keep in mind. If you see a girl you like take her when you can because she might not be available in another 5-10 minutes. One thing I must say about Nana is that I ABSOLUTELY hate being grabbed by the ladyboys. They are all over the plaza and can be quite aggressive and will grab your arm or jump out and stand in front of you to get your attention. I am surprised that some drunk tourist hasn't punched one of these ladyboys before. It's so annoying but the fact remains if men didn't go into ladyboy bars these places would go out of business and would not occupy space in Nana Plaza.
Despite Bangkok being an incredibly long flight from the USA And even requiring connections, it's simply one of the places that I need to make it a point to visit a few times a year. The more I learn about Bangkok and Thai women the more intrigued I am and the more attracted I am to these beautiful ladies. Caucasian men "farang" have very mixed reputations in this country while Japanese men are held in high regard. The challenge for me is that I really like the places that are less than farang friendly and places like Spasso just aren't as appealing.
One interesting note as I close, I am writing this on my departing flight from Bangkok and during the boarding process a young beautiful Thai lady came aboard and took the business class seat directly behind me. I immediately recognized her from one of the soapies I visited during my trip. I spoke to her briefly prior to take off and she actually recognized me and knew exactly where I was sitting on the night I came in. We exchanged contact information and are going to meet during my next visit.
Bangkok. Day 1.
Around 3 am I spotted a cute girl in a pretty white outfit and decided to invite her to my room for the rest of the night. While I really wasn't horny, I thought it would be nice to have a pretty Thai lady in my bed sleeping next to me. I took this little lady up to my room and I just had no energy for any sex and even though she managed to get me hard, I knew I wouldn't be able to get off especially with a condom. I did try to have sex with her in the morning but I wasn't all that horny and she had stinky pussy which is a huge turnoff for me. It was a total waste of money but the price of doing business.
From talking to the ladies at Spasso, most of them quote prices in USD and want $300 for short-time and $500 for long-time. It also appeared that many girls are high-end escorts that also have other jobs during the day but are at Spasso 4-5 nights a week. Thank you for your great reports, ATexGuy. Can we assume then that the cute Spasso girl you picked up and took back to your room at around 3 am quoted $500 USD to stay all night with you or did you and she both consider such a late pick up hour as more of a Short Time for $300 USD instead of a Long Time?
Also, if you are comfortable doing so, could you go into a bit more detail on what you felt was the great service you got from the higher end soapy ladies vs, for example, what this Spasso girl did for you? For instance, did the more beautiful and better quality higher end soapy girls you took perform BBBJ as mere foreplay, to some sort of completion, to a CIM finish, to a fantastic CIM finish, or was there not much BBBJ at all? Were the more memorable experiences more memorable simply because of their beauty and attitudes rather than because they went above and beyond the generally understood FS procedures on a more intimate or knowledgeable skill level?
Thanks again for any more info you can provide.
Day 3.
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One interesting note as I close, I am writing this on my departing flight from Bangkok and during the boarding process a young beautiful Thai lady came aboard and took the business class seat directly behind me. I immediately recognized her from one of the soapies I visited during my trip. I spoke to her briefly prior to take off and she actually recognized me and knew exactly where I was sitting on the night I came in. We exchanged contact information and are going to meet during my next visit.I enjoyed reading your report. You included your observations and personal feelings which is a big plus.
Your encounter with the soapie girl in Business Class seems too good to be true. Assuming a seat was available, you should have invited her to sit next to you or moved next to her?
It could have led to some interesting experience AFTER the meal service when the blankets come out and lights are dimmed :) I guess I am letting my imagination run wild here.....
I bet this was a flight from BKK to Tokyo and this sweet young thing was flying to meet her Japanese sugar daddy?
Thanks for posting an excellent report.
Bangkok. Day 1.
From talking to the ladies at Spasso, most of them quote prices in USD and want $300 for short-time and $500 for long-time. It also appeared that many girls are high-end escorts that also have other jobs during the day but are at Spasso 4-5 nights a week. While these ladies look fantastic in their pretty dresses, heels and full makeup in the dark bar, you are sort of rolling the dice when it comes to what they will look like naked and what kind of service you will get for that much money. They are definitely pros and know how to work the bar to hustle the men that visit Spasso. I think Spasso is a great option for a man staying at the Hyatt that just wants to pick up a girl for the night and not leave the hotel. In my opinion however, one is much better off going to a high-end soapy or picking up a pretty bar girl from Cowboy or Nana.Great report!
Unelss one is in BKk for other purposes, I do not see the point of taking asian girls at those rates very similar to any escort worldwide and there are asian escorts worldwide.
Each one his own of course.
Wolvenvacht
09-03-15, 07:33
One interesting note as I close, I am writing this on my departing flight from Bangkok and during the boarding process a young beautiful Thai lady came aboard and took the business class seat directly behind me. I immediately recognized her from one of the soapies I visited during my trip. I spoke to her briefly prior to take off and she actually recognized me and knew exactly where I was sitting on the night I came in. We exchanged contact information and are going to meet during my next visit.When girls that work in soapies can fly business class then surely someone (and probably more than one!) has been over-paying. ;)
When girls that work in soapies can fly business class then surely someone (and probably more than one!) has been over-paying. ;)Feels like: mucho over paying, embellished reality, new math, and / or fantasy fodder; but as always to each his own and YMMV.
SL.
Member #4591
09-03-15, 08:54
Day 3.
My plan for Sunday was to check out Tarawadee in the mid-afternoon then return to The Lord and end the night by making a visit to Nana Plaza.
I took a taxi from the Hyatt to Tarawadee and it proved to be about a 30 minute drive with reasonable traffic. It is located in an area of Bangkok where I have never been which is probably why I had never heard much about the place. Unfortunately at 4:30 on a Sunday there were not too many ladies working. I ordered a beer and waited about 45 minutes for a lady to really capture my attention. Sadly, while the ladies were attractive, there wasn't anyone that I really wanted expend my precious energy on and I grabbed a taxi to The Lord. The papasan said they have over 100 ladies working on weekdays but Saturday and Sunday aren't good.
When I arrived at The Lord around 5:30 there were about 25-30 ladies in the lounge area. While I thought I would wait a little while before picking, one GORGEOUS lady kept smiling at me and I just couldn't wait. Without question, this lady is probably the most beautiful Thai lady I have ever been with and my 90 minutes with her was incredible. She was very happy that I picked her out of the line up and did everything possible to make my time with her extra special. I seldom ever perform oral on a working girl but I couldn't resist with her. While I would have liked to have extended my session with her for another 90 minutes, she was tired and really wanted to go home (It took me a really long time to get off and she really earned every baht she received). We exchanged contact information and will definitely see each other during my next return to Bangkok. The sweet lady even sent me a text later in the night and wished me a safe flight home.
When I returned to the lounge there were a lot of beautiful ladies to select from but I needed a good hour to recover from my first session. Unfortunately this proved to work against me because it got really busy with a steady stream of customers coming in and picking the girls. I soon began to notice that many customers appeared to have made advanced bookings with their favorite girl, or in some cases, with their favorite girls. I saw quite a few men go upstairs to the suites with 2-3 girls. Being the inquisitive type, I wanted to know more about how The Lord really works and I got some good intel from a guy from HK. He shared that many Japanese and Chinese come in together in groups and share the cost of a large suite. They then either pick girls from the lounge or the papasan arranges a line-up in their suite. He also shared that many customers buy a VIP membership at 25000,50000 or 100000 levels. Lastly he pointed out that many men come in and take girls for 2-3 sessions or 3 to 4. 5 hours. He advised me and I was also told by one of the mamasans that very few farang come there and it's mostly Asian men primarily from Japan. It was even suggested that they really do not want to attract the farang and prefer farang stay in the tourist areas along Sukhumvit. That being said, I was actually treated nicely by the papasans / mamasans and all of the girls I met.
After a couple hours of waiting and enjoying some dinner and a few beers, two of the 6 or 7 girls that I had my eye on entered the lounge within minutes of each other and I made a spontaneous decision to take both of them at the same time. It was one of the best decisions I made on the trip because it was 90 minutes that I will never forget. I had the best time with these two ladies and it was one of those moments that you only dream about. These two were totally uninhibited and I plan on doing two girls more often.
By this time it was about 11:30 pm and since the place closes at midnight, I took a taxi to Nana Plaza to check out the scene. I wasn't looking to take a gogo girl back to my hotel but I just wanted to see what was happening. To my surprise I actually saw many of the same girls I had seen on my trip back in November '13. I even saw a girl from Rainbow that I had on my last night in Bangkok and even considered taking her again since it was once again my last night in Bangkok. Too bad I made the mistake of leaving to check out other gogos and assumed she'd still be there when I got back. That's one of those things that I think every guy needs to keep in mind. If you see a girl you like take her when you can because she might not be available in another 5-10 minutes. One thing I must say about Nana is that I ABSOLUTELY hate being grabbed by the ladyboys. They are all over the plaza and can be quite aggressive and will grab your arm or jump out and stand in front of you to get your attention. I am surprised that some drunk tourist hasn't punched one of these ladyboys before. It's so annoying but the fact remains if men didn't go into ladyboy bars these places would go out of business and would not occupy space in Nana Plaza.
Despite Bangkok being an incredibly long flight from the USA And even requiring connections, it's simply one of the places that I need to make it a point to visit a few times a year. The more I learn about Bangkok and Thai women the more intrigued I am and the more attracted I am to these beautiful ladies. Caucasian men "farang" have very mixed reputations in this country while Japanese men are held in high regard. The challenge for me is that I really like the places that are less than farang friendly and places like Spasso just aren't as appealing.
One interesting note as I close, I am writing this on my departing flight from Bangkok and during the boarding process a young beautiful Thai lady came aboard and took the business class seat directly behind me. I immediately recognized her from one of the soapies I visited during my trip. I spoke to her briefly prior to take off and she actually recognized me and knew exactly where I was sitting on the night I came in. We exchanged contact information and are going to meet during my next visit.Loved your reports. Great Intel on the high end soapies. I'm surprised the price police did not come out to tell you you could have gotten a better deal at the Nana car park or a go go. You are a man who truly understands the meaning of getting what you pay for. I have seen similar girls at Amsterdam in the model section at 6,500 but will for sure check out the Lord. Is it on Ratchada? If I'm not mistaken that's the place. It's huge! On your next trip you should check the Gentlemens clubs out. The Pimp is my favourite but there are many more in BKK with outstandingly georgous Thai ladies.
As expected when anyone happily pays whatever he feels isa price which, in his opinion, represnts value for money, out come the moaners and groaners saying that he has being over paying.
To each his own I say.
I fly business class on long haul. No doubt that enrages the cheap charies who scour the web for cut price cattle class fares.
I am happy to pay baht 5,000/ hour for a good lay with a willing lady. And treble that over-night. -with dinner, drinks and breakfast thrown in with taxi money.
AndI don't givea damn what others think.
Look at the substance of an OP's information, not the cost.
Simple math. ATexGuy was here for only 3 or so days, and came from America. He already spent 2000-4000 on air-fare. It would have been stupid if he didn't stay at a 5 star hotel and fuck only 5 star women.
I've seen people go on vacations and then just nickle and dime after paying thousands on their air fare and hotels. Sense, it makes none.
If he were living in Bangkok sure, he should stretch his baht LOL. Also, he was probably generally welcomed at the Lord since he was merely visiting for 2 days (wasn't encroaching on enemy territory). Thailand is considered an owned placed by the upper Thai / Chinese / Japanese families.
When girls that work in soapies can fly business class then surely someone (and probably more than one!) has been over-paying. ;)She probably drove to the airport in her brand new car.
As expected when anyone happily pays whatever he feels isa price which, in his opinion, represnts value for money, out come the moaners and groaners saying that he has being over paying.
To each his own I say.
I fly business class on long haul. No doubt that enrages the cheap charies who scour the web for cut price cattle class fares.
I am happy to pay baht 5,000/ hour for a good lay with a willing lady. And treble that over-night. -with dinner, drinks and breakfast thrown in with taxi money.
AndI don't givea damn what others think.
Look at the substance of an OP's information, not the cost.I commend you for having the guts to post this. I don't criticise what others want to pay, providing they are not conning a girl when she thinks she is going to get more. I am aware that rich people have the capacity to pay more.
I have a question though? What sort of girls cost that much and where do you find them? I mean I see escorts are typically 5000 for 2 hours and 10000 overnight. I know there are soapy girls costing higher than 5000, but it can't be much more unless its the movie star class.
I am not trying to be a smart ass. I just have little experience in the really top end part of the market.
Day 3.
My plan for Sunday was to check out Tarawadee in the mid-afternoon then return to The Lord and end the night by making a visit to Nana Plaza.
I took a taxi from the Hyatt to Tarawadee and it proved to be about a 30 minute drive with reasonable traffic. It is located in an area of Bangkok where I have never been which is probably why I had never heard much about the place. Unfortunately at 4:30 on a Sunday there were not too many ladies working. I ordered a beer and waited about 45 minutes for a lady to really capture my attention. Sadly, while the ladies were attractive, there wasn't anyone that I really wanted expend my precious energy on and I grabbed a taxi to The Lord. The papasan said they have over 100 ladies working on weekdays but Saturday and Sunday aren't good.
When I arrived at The Lord around 5:30 there were about 25-30 ladies in the lounge area. While I thought I would wait a little while before picking, one GORGEOUS lady kept smiling at me and I just couldn't wait. Without question, this lady is probably the most beautiful Thai lady I have ever been with and my 90 minutes with her was incredible. She was very happy that I picked her out of the line up and did everything possible to make my time with her extra special. I seldom ever perform oral on a working girl but I couldn't resist with her. While I would have liked to have extended my session with her for another 90 minutes, she was tired and really wanted to go home (It took me a really long time to get off and she really earned every baht she received). We exchanged contact information and will definitely see each other during my next return to Bangkok. The sweet lady even sent...Firstly, thanks a lot for writing detailed reports about establishments that we usually don't hear about. I too am a sucker for beauty and find quality absolutely hopeless in most venues in Bangkok and Pattaya. Only in Nataree did I see 3-4 girls that were 7/10 in my eyes.
Do you happen to have any pics of girls you have had during this trip? Would certainly like to see what kind of "beauty" we are talking about. Thanks again.
Jimmy Boy 99
09-03-15, 16:11
I am curious as to the service level of an 8,000 Baht soapy girl. I had gotten the impression from reading this thread (and from my limited experience with mid-range soapy girls) that the higher-end the girl, the more they have a princess attitude and feel that you should be grateful for letting you fuck them and do not really provide more than one-shot fuck and suck without extra payment. It would be helpful if you could be more detailed about the services provided by the Lord girls. Other than allowing DATY, did they do BBBJ, DFK, anal, fingers, multiple shots, etc. ? Thanks.
Member #4591
09-03-15, 16:20
I commend you for having the guts to post this. I don't criticise what others want to pay, providing they are not conning a girl when she thinks she is going to get more. I am aware that rich people have the capacity to pay more.
I have a question though? What sort of girls cost that much and where do you find them? I mean I see escorts are typically 5000 for 2 hours and 10000 overnight. I know there are soapy girls costing higher than 5000, but it can't be much more unless its the movie star class.
I am not trying to be a smart ass. I just have little experience in the really top end part of the market.If you believe this then I have have one bridge for sale. You are one of the most experienced mangers on the board with over 7000 posts about the Thailand scene. I'm sorry Syz but I'm goona have to call you out on this one. I know sarcasm when I read it.
Wolvenvacht
09-03-15, 18:41
She probably drove to the airport in her brand new car.Not at all! She was driven there by her own chauffeur (who also doubles as her toyboy when her overpaying old farts once again fail to make her cum)!
Note: the above is written in jest, i.e. an utterance (as a jeer or quip) intended to be taken as mockery or humor, or else the self-appointed protectors of the seriousness of this forum, fall all over me again.
DwayneJohnson
09-03-15, 18:51
I was shoring a high end soapy girl last year. Believe me even if they are high priced, they do not always have huge bank balance to support a lavish lifestyle. Most of them give big cut to soapy, their indebted parents, husbands etc a**hole of a family and then they have to maintain their high profile looks. Very rarely you will see a MP girl making big money so don't be jealous of these pretty little angels.
On the other had semi-pros or supposedly "good girl" who are debt free and have 2-3 sugar daddies in US will be making close to 100 K-200 K per month easy.
Beijing4987
09-03-15, 19:07
Scorching! Maybe the Thai Threads are ready for more Sub-Forums. You can host one for the high rollers In Business Class, where the high rollers can try to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) further than the previous Business class post. Those who get offended can start a thread for First Class status, pissing down on the Business Class. You can even debate dress regulations and get providers input on what is acceptable dress and demeanor. Meanwhile, the cheap Charlies can pass on tips to get service cheaper.
Yes. To each his own.
BJ.
As expected when anyone happily pays whatever he feels isa price which, in his opinion, represnts value for money, out come the moaners and groaners saying that he has being over paying.
To each his own I say.
I fly business class on long haul. No doubt that enrages the cheap charies who scour the web for cut price cattle class fares.
I am happy to pay baht 5,000/ hour for a good lay with a willing lady. And treble that over-night. -with dinner, drinks and breakfast thrown in with taxi money.
AndI don't givea damn what others think.
Look at the substance of an OP's information, not the cost.
Member #4591
09-03-15, 19:23
Ya, why does the Thailand section need so many sub forums? 😗.
Traveler1234
09-03-15, 19:37
I am not trying to be a smart ass. I just have little experience in the really top end part of the market.I haven't been to soapie in many years. But I do remember one of my favorite haunts, Love Boat on Rama IX started sideliners and then opened a completely separate lounge / sitting area for the 'high end models'. This was around 2011 and already the prices were anywhere from 5,000 and up for 90 day session. I hosted when on business account several times, girls were 9/10 but single shot and more often didn't speak much English.
I've never gone to Lords or Tawadee but I know many Thai business associates who do. Tex's reports and descriptions are pretty accurate.
Wolvenvacht
09-03-15, 19:57
This was around 2011 and already the prices were anywhere from 5,000 and up for 90 day session. I hosted when on business account several times, girls were 9/10 but single shot and more often didn't speak much English.
One single shot in 90 days? You are either a superman or a monk. LOL.
Scorching! Maybe the Thai Threads are ready for more Sub-Forums. You can host one for the high rollers In Business Class, where the high rollers can try to ... further than the previous Business class post. Those who get offended can start a thread for First Class status, pissing down on the Business Class. You can even debate dress regulations and get providers input on what is acceptable dress and demeanor. Meanwhile, the cheap Charlies can pass on tips to get service cheaper.You can add the Fantasy Chat forum and Promoting Pregnant Teen Girls forum to the list, as they seem to be recent entries in the Bangkok Reports forum.
SL.
I fly business class on long haul. No doubt that enrages the cheap charies who scour the web for cut price cattle class fares.
No private jet for you? Ohhh, so sorry cheap charlie.
Thank you for your great reports, ATexGuy. Can we assume then that the cute Spasso girl you picked up and took back to your room at around 3 am quoted $500 USD to stay all night with you or did you and she both consider such a late pick up hour as more of a Short Time for $300 USD instead of a Long Time?
Also, if you are comfortable doing so, could you go into a bit more detail on what you felt was the great service you got from the higher end soapy ladies vs, for example, what this Spasso girl did for you? For instance, did the more beautiful and better quality higher end soapy girls you took perform BBBJ as mere foreplay, to some sort of completion, to a CIM finish, to a fantastic CIM finish, or was there not much BBBJ at all? Were the more memorable experiences more memorable simply because of their beauty and attitudes rather than because they went above and beyond the generally understood FS procedures on a more intimate or knowledgeable skill level?
Thanks again for any more info you can provide.I think that agreed to give the girl from Spasso 10,000 THB and kicked her out around 9 am because I couldn't really fall asleep with her in bed with me.
As for the high-end soapies, every girl I was with at Lord was VERY GFE and provided BBBJ in the tub and in the bed. I am not certain about CIM but I am sure it's available. I don't know how to effectively describe the difference between being with a girl from a high-soapy compared to a go go or girl from Spasso except to say that these girls had sex with me like I was the sexiest man in the world and not just having sex with me to get me off as quickly as possible.
I enjoyed reading your report. You included your observations and personal feelings which is a big plus.
Your encounter with the soapie girl in Business Class seems too good to be true. Assuming a seat was available, you should have invited her to sit next to you or moved next to her?
It could have led to some interesting experience AFTER the meal service when the blankets come out and lights are dimmed :) I guess I am letting my imagination run wild here.....
I bet this was a flight from BKK to Tokyo and this sweet young thing was flying to meet her Japanese sugar daddy?
Thanks for posting an excellent report.We were both flying to HKG on Cathay. I was connecting back to the USA And she was meeting her girlfriend for her birthday. The seat next to me and the seat next to her were both empty and I asked her to move but she told me she wanted to sleep. She told me she went out partying after work and had not slept.
Loved your reports. Great Intel on the high end soapies. I'm surprised the price police did not come out to tell you you could have gotten a better deal at the Nana car park or a go go. You are a man who truly understands the meaning of getting what you pay for. I have seen similar girls at Amsterdam in the model section at 6,500 but will for sure check out the Lord. Is it on Ratchada? If I'm not mistaken that's the place. It's huge! On your next trip you should check the Gentlemens clubs out. The Pimp is my favourite but there are many more in BKK with outstandingly georgous Thai ladies.Thanks. I know it's a lot cheaper to pick up a go go girl from Soi Cowboy or Nana. Been there and done that plenty of times. I was specifically looking to find the most beautiful Thai girls and quite frankly, I didn't care about price because relative to the USA It was still very cheap, if not a bargain, to be with girls that are absolutely gorgeous. And yes, that is Lord and its huge. I have been to Moritz a couple years ago but wasn't all that impressed. I will try Pimp on my next visit.
Firstly, thanks a lot for writing detailed reports about establishments that we usually don't hear about. I too am a sucker for beauty and find quality absolutely hopeless in most venues in Bangkok and Pattaya. Only in Nataree did I see 3-4 girls that were 7/10 in my eyes.
Do you happen to have any pics of girls you have had during this trip? Would certainly like to see what kind of "beauty" we are talking about. Thanks again.Sorry. I did not take any pics of the girls. I don't really know how to describe beauty except to say that these ladies are very well dressed, hair and make up a perfect and they are in amazing physical condition. I think gogo girls are cute and some are hot. The Lord girls are gorgeous and I would rate most 9-10's.
I am curious as to the service level of an 8,000 Baht soapy girl. I had gotten the impression from reading this thread (and from my limited experience with mid-range soapy girls) that the higher-end the girl, the more they have a princess attitude and feel that you should be grateful for letting you fuck them and do not really provide more than one-shot fuck and suck without extra payment. It would be helpful if you could be more detailed about the services provided by the Lord girls. Other than allowing DATY, did they do BBBJ, DFK, anal, fingers, multiple shots, etc. ? Thanks.Fortunately this lady was an amazing and was very GFE. I loved being in the tub with her as she washed every part of my body and then gave me a BBBJ and didn't stop until I told her I wanted to go to the bed. Since I had quite a bit of sex the day before it really was hard for me to cum and I actually wore this little Thai lady out before I finally got off. As for multiple shots, I am sure she would have been open to it but there was no way I could have done it again.
Member #4655
09-04-15, 02:49
I was in Hong Kong a few months back and stopped by the King Bar in Wan Chai. A so called velvet bar, I think because of the red curtain over the front door. I had a beer and then got chatting and drinking with a Thai bar girl who was giving me a nice massage though my pants. This soon turned into one of the best ever BBBJ's ever. The action all took place on the bar stool. I was chatting to the Mamasan, also Thai as I was getting the BBBJ, amazing. The bar was empty as it was late afternoon.
I went back next day for more. When I left I asked for the girl's number as I travel to BKK often. She gave it to me.
The above is background to what is a request for advice from my colleagues on this Bangkok thread.
I texted her a couple of weeks back and we have started some conversations and even spoken once or twice on Viber. She's sent some pics and she is as pretty as I remembered her.
I am in BKK at the end of September for a conference so suggested to her that I arrive three days early and we spend some time together. She agreed and seems happy with the idea. She doesn't live in Bangkok but in a nearby city and is now back from her HK working visit.
I have booked a self catering apartment in the Soi 10 Centre Point in Shukumvit. I normally stay at the Grande Sheraton but thought this would be more private.
What I have not worked out is what to pay her. There has been no discussion of money and of course I expect to pay her and want to as this is a professional arrangement. The bar fine ST and LT prices in the HK bar were high and not a useful reference.
I was thinking of taking a normal BKK bar fine for a LT and multiplying it by the three days. In effect she will be with me 24 x 7 so this is a discount against a normal bar fine where you are really only with the girl for 5 - 8 hours depending on how late you take them form the bar and how early they leave.
Any thoughts or relevant experiences would be appreciated.
Max.
Member #4698
09-04-15, 03:23
I was thinking of taking a normal BKK bar fine for a LT and multiplying it by the three days. In effect she will be with me 24 x 7 so this is a discount against a normal bar fine where you are really only with the girl for 5 - 8 hours depending on how late you take them form the bar and how early they leave. Any thoughts or relevant experiences would be appreciated.Forget the Barfine. There is no bar, but she is a working girl, so I would give her a LT fee appropriate for a girl in her class. Assuming she is Go Go quality, I would give her something in the range of 3000 bt to 4000 bt per day in addition to food, drink, and gifts. I would add a 500bt /day tip if she turns out to be great. I would not pay her until it is time to say goodbye and then I would discreetly let her see me placing the money in her purse.
Forget the Barfine. There is no bar, but she is a working girl, so I would give her a LT fee appropriate for a girl in her class. Assuming she is Go Go quality, I would give her something in the range of 3000 bt to 4000 bt per day in addition to food, drink, and gifts. I would add a 500bt /day tip if she turns out to be great. I would not pay her until it is time to say goodbye and then I would discreetly let her see me placing the money in her purse.This is a really poor rate of pay for a very top class bargirl for 24 hours per day which greatly interferes with her personal life, if she has one. Some of them are getting 2500 for short time (less than 2 hours). It maybe that some girls accept that in special circumstances, however a top class bargirl would definitely be losing money to take that, especially if on busy days like Friday to Sunday where they can get 3 STs per day without much problem.
I am not that stingy, myself for a top girl. That maybe only reason why girls like me. LOL.
One plain girl at Suzi Wong with sillies and built like a tank was being partly supported by some Farang paying for her Condo / apartment and car. Yet she picked up a Thai toy boy drug addict on the side to beat her up when she did not supply him with money.
At times she could not work due to black eye and other bruising, or when her Farang was in town.
One has to shake the head and wonder. Some staff can't help themselves to tell me the gossip, since they know I avoid this girl already. Any time I go with a buddy to the bar, that girl would try to pounce on him. Some inexperienced guys in bars are every weak to get rid of an unwanted girl, and will end up buying her drinks and maybe even fucking her in the end.
Bar customers have the full spectrum of those far too polite, and the extreme assholes. I take the middle road. Not too polite. Generous but only with girls really liked.
Member #4591
09-04-15, 06:38
You can add the Fantasy Chat forum and Promoting Pregnant Teen Girls forum to the list, as they seem to be recent entries in the Bangkok Reports forum.
SL.Mr. Sunlover. My user blog is my blog and I can write about whatever I want. It's even moderated by me. It's not part of the normal threads. Do you know what a blog is? Secondly I have received many PM's asking for info about pregnant Thai working girls so when one replied to one of my social network ads I thought I would pass her info on for anyone who wanted it. Pregnant girls are simply not my thing. Unfortunately all I have gotten is accusations about promoting a pregnant girl and talk of commission so I will never pass on any contact info for any of the ladies I know ever again to punters on this forum. I am an avid contributor of this forum and have no reason to pimp out girls. Youu kind sir are ridiculous in your comments with all due respect. Have a wonderful day and happy mongering to you.
On a side note, do you think we could possibly get a report from you anytime soon? I have checked your recent posts and you have not reported on any of your mongering activities, instead just making random comments about others posts. At least my blog is providing useful information on how to navigate the location based chat apps which my friend with all due respect is the future and a big part of the mongering scene in Asia, especially Thailand. I have also provided very useful info about the Gentlemens clubs as well. Feel free to check it out. In fact how about we split a bottle at The Pimp one of these days. I hope it will not be too expensive for you? If so I have no problems picking up the tab! Cheers!
Hi dudes, I will visit BKK in several weeks, and I am curious to know the general information about BKK regarding p4 p. At this moment I know nothing, just heard of "go go bar". Could you give me some info about BKK's fun? Thanks.
Member #4591
09-04-15, 07:41
You can add the Fantasy Chat forum and Promoting Pregnant Teen Girls forum to the list, as they seem to be recent entries in the Bangkok Reports forum.
SL.By the way there is no need to create sub forums. These two topics 100% belong in the Bangkok thread. The reason why Jackson has had to create these sub forums is because in the Thaialnd section there is so much useless banter going on. And by the way, it's not fantasy chat for me, it's reality! Report on your mongering please and thanks!
Wolvenvacht
09-04-15, 07:43
Hi dudes, I will visit BKK in several weeks, and I am curious to know the general information about BKK regarding p4 p. At this moment I know nothing, just heard of "go go bar". Could you give me some info about BKK's fun? Thanks.Just to save you the effort of reading a few hundred pages published on this fine forum:
There are any options to have some fun in BKK, but I will limit myself to some of the most obvious.
It starts with the SW ("streetwalkers") on lower Sukhumvit Road: probably the cheapest option and you can take them to your hotel or they will take you to a nearby ST ("short time") hotel. One pop of basic sex is what you can expect. Beauty is of course in the eye of the beholder, but this is not the place to go looking for catwalk-models. If that is your desire, there are some Africans and FSU ladies here as well.
One (small) step up are the SW in the evening / night at the parking of the Nana Hotel.
A bit more mature free-lancers can be found in establishments such as Beergarten.
All of the above are self-employed: you negotiate with them for their fees and services. There is no "barfine" to be paid for them. Be open and clear and take nothing for granted.
Next type are the massage places of which there are many all over the town. Some are barely disguised brothels (such as the soapies in the "Annies" style or the PSE oilies) where you pay a fixed upfront fee "all included" (but check how much this "all" actually includes!) Other will start with a cheap legit massage and then will ask you if you want "extra" services and you negotiate with the massage lady herself.
Another categorie are the beerbars who employ "waitresses" and "hostesses" available for take-out. You pay the bar a "barfine" and again you negotiate fee and services directly with the girl. During your talk with the girrl you can offer her a ladydrink and she will get a commission on that drink. Ladydrinks are more expensive than your drink; so now you know who is funding that commission! You take the lady to your hotel or to a nearby ST hotel. They are available for ST (one pop, max a few hours) or LT ("long time", i.e. overnight; traditionally two pop before you go to sleep together and one more in the morning).
As from about 8 PM the agogo-clubs will open. They operate on the same principles as the beerbars, but also offer some visual entertainment: (semi) nude dancing, lesbian act, shooting darts from their pussies, . . . and more of such fun. Call one of the "dancers" over to your table, give her a ladydrink, perhaps engage in a little "pleying" with her already and if she suits you, (again) negotiate fee and services. ST and LT is available.
If you like non-pro girls (or better disguised pro-girls), then visit the disco scene (not my scene, but there are many reports on the forum, so have a look). These are freelancers so no barfine to be paid, but you probably have to buy them some drinks and "entertain" them before they go with you. As I said, "not my scene", so I cannot really comment.
As anywhere in a big city, there are the escort services (very expensive, but some say they are worth their price; whereas other bittterly complain they fell for the "bait and switch" of these photoshopped website operators). YMMV and as always "caveat emptor"!
Have fun and stay safe.
Wolvenvacht.
Had 2 nights in BKK before returning home. My preference is FL talent and first off I was shocked at the amount of ugly women expecting me to pay to have sex with them. Went to Bier Garten, Thermae, Nana and cruised Sukhumvit as well as climax.
There was not as much women as I was expecting and some of them told me it was quiet. In Bier Garten and Thermae there is a selection of talent available but there were quite a few uglys that would not take no for an answer, now if you see my previous posts, looks are not my top priority but this was crazy.
Also Climax is good for pick up but it can take some time to get the hang of it, if you like clubbing late and hanging out with hot girls then you will be ok but this place can turn into a money pit. 250 in and about 220 a drink with very pushy staff, even paying in the girl held my change back and asked for a tip. This was standard throughout the club with one waiter not leaving until I give him something. My advice is go here very late no earlier than 3 and then grab and go. The thing is if you have a couple of drinks with a girl and dance with her it may lead to a better session. I had one girl constantly getting me to finger her in the club and then this may lead to a cheaper rate if you have built up a rapport.
So you will have to decide, grab and go maybe pay more and you have no idea what she is like or pay for some drinks dance and mess around. For newbies do not get wasted in here and do not let any drunk girls choose you big mistake, take your time and choose wisely making your own decision.
Standard rates for ST seem to be 1500, but if you are out late you can get this down to 1000. In Phuket I was getting ST for 700 and only paid this because she was super hot and I really wanted to bang her and LT for 1000 or less. As Phuket is a lot smaller and everything revolves around 1 strip you can catch a lot of talent on the way too work and grab phone numbers for later which is what I did.
Of course I understand this is all relative to ones expectations and tastes and I have no doubt there is some top shelf talent in BKK for which you will pay a price for, especially if you like gogo.
Member #4591
09-04-15, 07:53
Had a great we chat experience where I chatted with a girl who was working in a Sepankwai go go. It was 4:00 AM in the morning. The bar was still open. She introduced me to a side of Thai mongering I've never seen before. Quality PSE at a local Thai price with a smokin spinner body. Full report in my blog shortly. Not fantasy folks but you can get great hookups from the chat apps.
Had a great we chat experience where I chatted with a girl who was working in a Sepankwai go go. It was 4:00 AM in the morning. The bar was still open. She introduced me to a side of Thai mongering I've never seen before. Quality PSE at a local Thai price with a smokin spinner body. Full report in my blog shortly. Not fantasy folks but you can get great hookups from the chat apps.Absolutely agree. I think it's been around 3 months since I went P4 P. It's been hookups from Thai Friendly and chatting apps since then. The quality of pussy tends to be lower than working girls (naturally) but I like the thrill of the chase, chatting the office girls up, making them wet and wanting you. Latest one took 3 days of chatting before we met up. A nice dinner, a perfect gentleman, a polite kiss upon leaving.
2 days later, we met up again and groped each other in her car like a couple of teenagers for 2 hours. When I got home, she begged me to come back to her house. I did and we fucked all night. Good times. So much more satisfying than paying cash for a sure thing at a massage shop.
If you believe this then I have have one bridge for sale. You are one of the most experienced mangers on the board with over 7000 posts about the Thailand scene. I'm sorry Syz but I'm goona have to call you out on this one. I know sarcasm when I read it.No you don't!
If you had read many of my reports, you would know that Sarcasm is something I largely refrain from, not being a natural smart ass. I write reports straight, trying to say exactly what I mean in a straightforward way. I don't invent stuff either, yet get accused of fantasies from time to time.
If I give data, hopefully there are few errors others than typos. Speaking of typos, a "Saphan Kwai" gogo girl, is what someone meant in a recent post.
Indeed I don't have much experience with the very top end. I have not yet tried an escort girl but mean to shortly. 5 K for 2 hours. Will be interesting to see if I think she is really worth it. I have certainly dropped 5 K before when taking two girls for a threesome including drinks and barfines. Can't remember if I ever dropped 5 K on a Soapy girl for a single booking. Possibly once. Soapy girls are rarely worth it. When I find a really great one, I tend to stick with her. They are hard to find.
Despite what the other guy says about the standard at The Lord, I visited there twice and was a little underwhelmed each time. The girls were probably just sophisticated and pretentious looking with lots of fake stuff, maybe its the Farang imitation look. I prefer a very Thai look. I failed to choose a girl both times, and money wasn't the issue. Just not my taste. The line up was not really large enough for me at the time. I am sure they do have some better girls, but often they can be pre-booked, so you have spend a fair time just hanging there to get to spot the best talent.
Recent visits to La Belle have underwhelmed me as well. Even the side line girls were not my taste. Unfortunately I failed to meet any of the targets recommended by buddies. Just the wrong day. I did mind one pretty La Belle girl recently. Report was posted.
Yet I was able to choose girls on occasions in Oilies, e. G. Cam Can (or is it Can Cam). Perhaps a more natural Thai look can be found there, although far too many fatties for my taste.
Hi dudes, I will visit BKK in several weeks, and I am curious to know the general information about BKK regarding p4 p. At this moment I know nothing, just heard of "go go bar". Could you give me some info about BKK's fun? Thanks.You will be accosted by lady boys, you will get ripped off or scammed. Seriously, keep your wits about you. Have fun but try not to get drunk. Don't believe what people on the street tell you. There are plenty of people trying to part newbies from their money. If anything sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't true.
Read the threads of this forum regularly to get a good idea. Read the "Identifying Ladyboys" thread.
Understand the prices.
Start off with some highly recommended Oily Massage joints, like Snow White, Mango, etc. Try some recommended girls. Then you will get an idea what is good service without rip off. Have a look in in some recommended go-gos to see what Thai girls can look like. Be aware that bargirls can be good or can be crap. They can try to charge a lot of money. They may not be worth it.
Take it all sloooowly. By that I mean check out the talent carefully before deciding, not the first girl in a bar that comes to you. Wolven probably recommended some good things, but not necessarily in the right order. Take the very safest options first till you get more experience.
Lastly, be polite as far as reasonably possible. Don't go looking for trouble. I have seen drunk Farangs on the street go looking for trouble and get badly beaten up. If you are sensible, Bangkok is a pretty safe place. I have not had any problems over many years apart form the odd rip off.
Member #4591
09-04-15, 12:34
You will be accosted by lady boys, you will get ripped off or scammed. Seriously, keep your wits about you. Have fun but try not to get drunk. Don't believe what people on the street tell you. There are plenty of people trying to part newbies from their money. If anything sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't true.
Read the threads of this forum regularly to get a good idea. Read the "Identifying Ladyboys" thread.
Understand the prices.
Start off with some highly recommended Oily Massage joints, like Snow White, Mango, etc. Try some recommended girls. Then you will get an idea what is good service without rip off. Have a look in in some recommended go-gos to see what Thai girls can look like. Be aware that bargirls can be good or can be crap. They can try to charge a lot of money. They may not be worth it.
Take it all sloooowly. By that I mean check out the talent carefully before deciding, not the first girl in a bar that comes to you. Wolven probably recommended some good things, but not necessarily in the right order. Take the very safest options first till you get more experience.
Lastly, be polite as far as reasonably possible. Don't go looking for trouble. I have seen drunk Farangs on the street go looking for trouble and get badly beaten up. If you are sensible, Bangkok is a pretty safe place. I have not had any problems over many years apart form the odd rip off.Good advice Syzg. I suggest sticking with the oilies, soapies, and short time go go encounters in a short time room until you get the lay of the land, after which you can go LT with a go go girl and maybe even take a few FL girls home. Insist on the meter with taxis. Don't go to any places recommended by them. Don't take those massage flyers from the Thai guys on Suk. Carry just enough cash for your outing and keep the passport in the room safe. Take a photo copy with you. Negotiate services up front with any FL and never pay an FL girl or go go girl upfront. Pay after your session. The one time in my 15 years of mongering I paid a FL girl upfront and I was burned. Have a great time dude.
Traveler1234
09-04-15, 15:07
One single shot in 90 days? You are either a superman or a monk. LOL.Hehe, typo. 90 minutes.
Will the go go girls go with you to your hotel room for LT or is it only in the club?
Also wanted to know if nuru is worth it or should I stick to regular massage?
Wolvenvacht
09-04-15, 19:42
Will the go go girls go with you to your hotel room for LT or is it only in the club?
Also wanted to know if nuru is worth it or should I stick to regular massage?As far as I know and experienced LT is never in the club itself. You go to your place for LT.
I think you have at least to experience nuru once. It does not compare to a regular massage at all. The closest is probably the soapie experience, but nuru is far more slippery. A nuru HJ is really something.
Wolvenvacht
09-04-15, 19:46
Wolven probably recommended some good things, but not necessarily in the right order. Take the very safest options first till you get more experience.
Absolutely! I never intended to give a step-by-step program. I just showed the different types of fun that can be had in Bangkok.
In fact how about we split a bottle at The Pimp one of these days. I hope it will not be too expensive for you? If so I have no problems picking up the tab! Cheers!Hey Bkkdog,
I will be arriving in the Kingdom early next month for a 30 day stay. Still working on figuring out exactly where and when though. If I get bored enough and can find the time I just might take you up on your offer to split a bottle at The Pimp! Will advise.
SL.
Mumbai Guy
09-05-15, 05:12
Had a great we chat experience where I chatted with a girl who was working in a Sepankwai go go. It was 4:00 AM in the morning. The bar was still open. She introduced me to a side of Thai mongering I've never seen before. Quality PSE at a local Thai price with a smokin spinner body. Full report in my blog shortly. Not fantasy folks but you can get great hookups from the chat apps.Agree with you Bkkdog. The non pro girls are really worth the effort. I have been chatting up on TF and LINE with a few and have lined up meetings with a couple of good ones. One is working in a cosmetics shop and the other a cellphone salesgirl. As Kurtala rightly said the thrill of wooing a non pro girl is better than hard P4 P. Off course you can't get a PSE here but the GFE is great and well worth the efforts. At least the sex is not mechanical and the moans are genuine.
Member #4591
09-05-15, 05:45
As far as I know and experienced LT is never in the club itself. You go to your place for LT.
I think you have at least to experience nuru once. It does not compare to a regular massage at all. The closest is probably the soapie experience, but nuru is far more slippery. A nuru HJ is really something.Actually he meant can you take girls from the go go's long term or are they only available to drink and flirt in the club or go short time in a nearby hotel. For example Nana has a short time hotel right in the complex.
Member #4591
09-05-15, 05:53
Will the go go girls go with you to your hotel room for LT or is it only in the club?
Also wanted to know if nuru is worth it or should I stick to regular massage?Very scary. It is completely up to the girl whether she will go LT with you nor not. Some ladies don't go Long time because they are students and need to be go by 2 AM. Mommy and daddy think they work in a normal bar. I ran into this several times at Angel Witch. Others actually have husbands and boyfriends who do or don't know what they do. They want to go home. The other girls will gladly go with you LT. It's all about how much they like you and your offer. The LT asking rate from these girl is now 5,000 but with a little work you can get that down to 3,500-4. I get 3,000 if it is late. Rainbow 4 girls mostly shy away from it.
Actually he meant can you take girls from the go go's long term or are they only available to drink and flirt in the club or go short time in a nearby hotel. For example Nana has a short time hotel right in the complex.You must be clairvoyant. Wolven answered correctly based on what was asked.
I agree Nuru is worth trying. I always liked the turn on of a good body slide, but don't like regular massage.
Long Time is only in your Hotel, depending on whether the girl is willing. Check what time she needs to leave by, to avoid disappointment.
Short Time can be upstairs in some clubs, nearby Short Time Hotel, your own Hotel if near to the bar. Girls don't like to go long distance for short time. Some girls in some clubs are not available for barfine and sex at all. Some are only available in house due to schedule of shows they perform. Guys! Don't stay in Banglamphu or Khao San road. That is not good from a mongering point of view. Stay close to the action. No more than a 15 minutes walk away (or 5 minute motorcycle ride), or further away if going to a massage parlour is okay.
E. g. I stayed near to Petchaburi MRT station. Easy 5 min motorbike ride to Nana, Cowboy, Soi 24 massage, and even quick motorcycle ride to some nearby Soapies. Very centrally useful spot, despite seemingly a strange place at first, as too far to walk to most places.
Member #4591
09-05-15, 09:03
You must be clairvoyant. Wolven answered correctly based on what was asked.
As far as I know and experienced LT is never in the club itself. You go to your place for LT.
Actually Syzyg you might be wrong. Everyone knows you can't do LT in the club so I don't see the relevance of this statement. The OP is clearly asking if girls can go LT to your home or hotel, or do they have to stay in the club and work.
Anyways some great points by you and others regarding this. I really find that many of the girls won't do LT anymore. If they do they may need to make special arrangements ahead of time. It kinda makes sense since In Nana or Soi Cowboy they can do 3 or 4 ST encounters and receive 2,500-3,000 each time and only need to go upstairs at Nana or just around the corner at Soi Cowboy. If that doesn't fly with you, look at like a massage shop. The go go bar is like the fishbowl and the ST hotels are like the rooms upstairs at the massage shop,Mao problem right? Wrong! For some of us it just feels awkward so to each their own.
DwayneJohnson
09-05-15, 19:02
The non pro girls are really worth the effort. I have been chatting up on TF and LINE with a few and have lined up meetings with a couple of good ones. One is working in a cosmetics shop and the other a cellphone salesgirl. As Kurtala rightly said the thrill of wooing a non pro girl is better than hard P4 P. Off course you can't get a PSE here but the GFE is great and well worth the efforts. At least the sex is not mechanical and the moans are genuine.Be careful, There are pro's and semi-pro's on TF. A pure non-pro is hardly there on TF and they generally stay with Thai BF. However non-mechanical sex is something you are after then TF is good option.
Member #4591
09-05-15, 19:27
Be careful, There are pro's and semi-pro's on TF. A pure non-pro is hardly there on TF and they generally stay with thai BF. However non-mechanical sex is something you are after then TF is good option.Wrong! There are plenty of 100% non pros on TF. Get your head out of the sand. I met my last girlfriend on there. I was her first foreign boyfriend. I speak to many 100% non pros on TF.
Member #4698
09-05-15, 20:46
I speak to many 100% non pros on TF.Hey BKKdog, lately I have been checking out the girls on TF in the run up for my next trip. I see a lot of the cute ones set up a rather low age ceiling of say 30 to 35 max age. From your general experiences, how strict are they on that after you chat them up? I assume working girls are not the ones with a narrow age limit as they are in business and would care a lot less about the age factor than an attractive Uni girl looking to date guys her own age.
Actually Syzyg you might be wrong. Everyone knows you can't do LT in the club so I don't see the relevance of this statement. The OP is clearly asking if girls can go LT to your home or hotel, or do they have to stay in the club and work.
Anyways some great points by you and others regarding this. I really find that many of the girls won't do LT anymore. If they do they may need to make special arrangements ahead of time. It kinda makes sense since In Nana or Soi Cowboy they can do 3 or 4 ST encounters and receive 2,500-3,000 each time and only need to go upstairs at Nana or just around the corner at Soi Cowboy. If that doesn't fly with you, look at like a massage shop. The go go bar is like the fishbowl and the ST hotels are like the rooms upstairs at the massage shop,Mao problem right? Wrong! For some of us it just feels awkward so to each their own.Okay Clairvoyant was stretching it. I guess Wolven and myself are simply not intuitive enough to understand when the question seems silly to all and hard to know what a newbie is actually thinking. You are right. LT is obviously not possible in club so he must have meant something like what you suggest. I do sometimes state the completely obvious without much thought. No harm. It's not intended to be profound. LOL
I can admit to being wrong. I hopefully covered all bases no matter what the exact meaning was intended to be. Your answer to Very Scary was very good and may have covered everything he wanted to know already, without getting into ST stuff.
On the other hand, if he knows the term LT, then he knows it exists. So I suppose he asked if all girls do LT or not, or does LT still exist, or..... His "or is it only in the club?" still mystifies me slightly. Is what only in the club?? Sex, or something else? Doesn't matter know.
What is awkward about going to upstairs in bar or ST Hotel? I don't see why this is awkward. You BF a girl. Everybody knows you will probably fuck her, although I have BFed girls for other reasons rarely. Girls do the special signal/secret handshake with fingers to imitate fucking a hole. It's only a walk of shame if you have a LB instead of a girl. LOL The number of times I saw an Asian guy with LB at Asoke Place ST hotel. Countless. It's is a fucking venue. No need to feel awkward with a girl or even multiple girls. The important issue for me is choosing the right ST Hotel. Penny Black charges too much, especially when I have more than girl, so I avoid it. The ST Hotels in Nana Plaza are very bad. Not recommended. They try to limit your time too much and poor standard. I instead use one in a small Soi off Soi 4, occasionally, where I can specify how long I want, e.g. 90 mins or 2 hours if I have 2 girls.
Sorry for the confusion. I've been researching this a lot before my trip. I'm interested in LT from a go go dancer. That way I can sit and check out the girls and get to know her before I just pick on. From reading the reviews it was hard to tell if LT was done in the club. I was just thinking it would be weird to walk around with a dancer and everyone knowing what's going on. But I guess that's what they're there for too.
If anything I'll just pick up a SW for LT and hop I don't get a ladyboy.
How common is it travel alone to visit Sukhumvit? Especially visiting the soapies / go-go bars / oilies? Do most of you guys go in a group of other guys? I don't want to be the loner in the back in the dark just watching the fishbowls like a weirdo. Can someone offer some insite?
How common is it travel alone to visit Sukhumvit? Especially visiting the soapies / go-go bars / oilies? Do most of you guys go in a group of other guys? I don't want to be the loner in the back in the dark just watching the fishbowls like a weirdo. Can someone offer some insite?I am going alone 99% of the time. It's weird to go in large groups, but with one or two buddies is okay Experienced guys don't need a wingman. LOL.
When I was a complete newbie, 24 years ago, I did attend a few places with an experienced buddy who was showing me a few venues like Phat Phong, Cowboy bars, Chawala, Thermae, The Grace coffee shop and massage, Darling. His Thai speaking was more advanced than mine at the time, even though I had studied Thai for 9 months previously. In later years I became more experienced in Bangkok and Thai speaking than him. I have little clue how my extended first trip would have played out if I did not meet him.
If you have no experienced buddy, then the ISG is your guide. I was not aware of ISG till about 10 years ago.
In the past, I spent many hours sitting in the dark at Chao Praya 2 watching the fishbowl. I could eat and drink while waiting for something to take my fancy. It did not feel weird to me. More like cool. At some soapies, you meet pushy papasans trying to get you to select a girl in a big hurry and telling you lies. It's cool to resist them and even ignore their recommendations. Some recommend terrible girls that pay the papas an a kickback for being recommended. Unless you know the papasan can be trusted, don't trust him. If you don't know a papasan, no need to tip him before going with the girl. Can tip him something if he made a really good recommendation that you followed. Most soapies are not in Sukhumvit. Amsterdam is my favourite one in the modern day but not the cheapest. Most people recommend Nataree but girls there tend to be less experienced, and a high percentage of dick scared girls. So I have found few great girls at Nataree, where others have been much more successful. My second favourite in recent years has been Copa Cabana. Its all crap shoot though if you get a good performance or not.
Experienced Soapy girls are often better. A few months experience is good enough. Can try Soapies Annies or Darling in Sukhumvit area, but don't be surprised if the girls are older and not so fabulous looking. For bodyslide, I would try Dr. BJ Nuru, or any Oily place offering Nuru.
Member #4591
09-06-15, 05:20
Hey BKKdog, lately I have been checking out the girls on TF in the run up for my next trip. I see a lot of the cute ones set up a rather low age ceiling of say 30 to 35 max age. From your general experiences, how strict are they on that after you chat them up? I assume working girls are not the ones with a narrow age limit as they are in business and would care a lot less about the age factor than an attractive Uni girl looking to date guys her own age.I will address this in my user blog. Please scroll down to the second half of the forum. Under chat apps. Alternatively you can click on this link.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3716-Chat-App-Reports&p=1770300&viewfull=1#post1770300
Wolvenvacht
09-06-15, 08:14
Sorry for the confusion. I've been researching this a lot before my trip. I'm interested in LT from a go go dancer. That way I can sit and check out the girls and get to know her before I just pick on. From reading the reviews it was hard to tell if LT was done in the club. I was just thinking it would be weird to walk around with a dancer and everyone knowing what's going on. But I guess that's what they're there for too.
If anything I'll just pick up a SW for LT and hop I don't get a ladyboy.No problem Very Scary! A liitle confusion and chaos will lively things up here. :)
When you engage an agogo dancer for LT, she will not go with you in her "dancing clothes", but will go to the dressing room and change into street clothes such as jeans and t-shirt.
She will not look different from the thousands of other Thai girls on the street, so the "walk of shame" exists only in your own mind. Personally, I call it a "walk of pride".
Of course when an overweight plus-50 farang walks hand-in-hand with a minus-30 Thai girl, especially when he is wearing a big smile, it doesn't take a clairvoyant to know what is happening.
Have fun!
P.S.: Don't walk hand-in-hand with Thai girls. It is not their custom and they will be thankful to you for respecting their culture.
Member #4591
09-06-15, 08:22
No problem Very Scary! A liitle confusion and chaos will lively things up here. :)
When you engage an agogo dancer for LT, she will not go with you in her "dancing clothes", but will go to the dressing room and change into street clothes such as jeans and t-shirt.
She will not look different from the thousands of other Thai girls on the street, so the "walk of shame" exists only in your own mind. Personally, I call it a "walk of pride".
Of course when an overweight plus-50 farang walks hand-in-hand with a minus-30 Thai girl, especially when he is wearing a big smile, it doesn't take a clairvoyant to know what is happening.
Have fun!
P.S.: Don't walk hand-in-hand with Thai girls. It is not their custom and they will be thankful to you for respecting their culture.Excellent points.
Wolvenvacht
09-06-15, 08:22
How common is it travel alone to visit Sukhumvit? Especially visiting the soapies / go-go bars / oilies? Do most of you guys go in a group of other guys? I don't want to be the loner in the back in the dark just watching the fishbowls like a weirdo. Can someone offer some insite?In the popular agogo clubs and bars you see many (small) groups of men entering. Most of them go out again as a group without barfining anyone. I guess they are not "on the hunt" but only in for some drinking and ogling the dancers.
Soapies, oilies, all kind of massage places, . . . Are usually visited solo and nobody will look at you in a strange way for doing so.
Member #4591
09-06-15, 08:24
Sorry for the confusion. I've been researching this a lot before my trip. I'm interested in LT from a go go dancer. That way I can sit and check out the girls and get to know her before I just pick on. From reading the reviews it was hard to tell if LT was done in the club. I was just thinking it would be weird to walk around with a dancer and everyone knowing what's going on. But I guess that's what they're there for too.
If anything I'll just pick up a SW for LT and hop I don't get a ladyboy.Wow it seems you actually did think that LT could be done in the club? Wow, so maybe I was wrong, but I'm still unclear how someone could think they could sit in a club all night till morning and get full service in a go go bar. Anyways you won't get a ladyboy if you go to the right clubs.
How common is it travel alone to visit Sukhumvit? Especially visiting the soapies / go-go bars / oilies? Do most of you guys go in a group of other guys? I don't want to be the loner in the back in the dark just watching the fishbowls like a weirdo. Can someone offer some insite?Hey Dinotrex, mongering alone is most common. That what true mongers do. You don't need anyone else to help you get your rocks off, unless maybe you are from the subcontinent.
Johnie.
Mumbai Guy
09-06-15, 09:01
Be careful, There are pro's and semi-pro's on TF. A pure non-pro is hardly there on TF and they generally stay with thai BF. However non-mechanical sex is something you are after then TF is good option.Yes I am aware of the presence of pros and semi-pros on TF. In fact my experience is that they constitute almost 85-90%. But with extensive chatting and probing one can unearth a non pro gem. Of course like everywhere else on TF also it is a hit or miss scenario. But I have scored more hits than miss on TF till date. At the same time it requires you to invest a lot of time into the whole process of short listing. So obviously an average monger on a short visit prefers the P4 P.
P.S.: Don't walk hand-in-hand with Thai girls. It is not their custom and they will be thankful to you for respecting their culture.Again a post which is incorrect. Walking hand in hand is not against Thai culture. Indeed it is very common. Making out in public is against Thai culture.
Wolvenvacht, have you ever even been in Thailand?
Assassins88
09-06-15, 11:27
Hello,
I am traveling with my wife to Bangkok without any other friends and we are there for just a night on the way and also in Phuket.
Are there any interesting sexual experiences or any parlours or providers who provide for interesting couple sex massages? I have to make it look interesting to my wife also.
Hey Dinotrex, mongering alone is most common. That what true mongers do. You don't need anyone else to help you get your rocks off, unless maybe you are from the subcontinent.
Johnie.I don't know Johnie. Some of my favorite mongering experiences when I first moved to Thailand were boy's trips to Pattaya and Nom Penh. We always had a blast.
Landed in Bangkok last night and spent my first night in Soi Cowboy. Visited Crazy House, Cowboy 2, Long Gun and Shark. I think Crazy House is very overrated here in the ISG compare to some other bars, but the taste is different of course. I can hardly see any bar in Soi Cowboy that can match Shark for beautiful girls. There are just so many to choose in that bar. Took a lovely lass (can not remember her number.) with great smile and personality. After some bar hop and drinks we hit the sack and she was very enthusiastic in bed. Great energy and she enjoy it ever as much as me. Said she came 3 times. But it is hard to know; these Thai girls really keep the orgasm quiet. So you cannot accuse them of faking it since they normally do not scream or make a lot of noise. Maybe it is part of the culture also? Barfine was 600 bath and she stayed with me from 11 PM to 5 in the morning for 2500 bath. Not bad since it was a real GFE experience. She asked me to pay her another 2500 bath to stay until morning, but I sent her on her way. Why pay 2500 bath just to see her sleep? Soi Cowboy was a bit quiet. This was Saturday night and bars like Cowboy 2 and Tilac had few customers when I visited around 11 PM. Two of the bars had barbecue with a whole pig rolling in the charcoal heat outside the bar! Both Crazy House and the other bars had lots of talents on stage. So, it is buyers market, guys. Will try Patpong tonight. Have not been there for over one year.
Member #4591
09-06-15, 14:36
Yes I am aware of the presence of pros and semi-pros on TF. In fact my experience is that they constitute almost 85-90%. But with extensive chatting and probing one can unearth a non pro gem. Of course like everywhere else on TF also it is a hit or miss scenario. But I have scored more hits than miss on TF till date. At the same time it requires you to invest a lot of time into the whole process of short listing. So obviously an average monger on a short visit prefers the P4 P.I beg to differ. Perhaps you are just attracting the pros and semi pros. I have chatted with many 100% no pros in the past and was never surprised. But you are correct they are really easy to find out.
Crocodilexp
09-06-15, 14:40
Yes I am aware of the presence of pros and semi-pros on TF. In fact my experience is that they constitute almost 85-90%.That high? In what ways do you filter them? What's your approach to messaging / chat (for instance, are you super explicit, subtle, patient, or what)?
I've been explicitly propositioned (sex for money) only twice on TF (among hundreds of girls I talked to). Most immediately give out their Line ID, but then insist on days of pointless boring message exchanges via Line, very few agreeing to meet on the same evening. By definition, any pro or semi-pro would try to close the deal as efficiently as possible, and as long as the guy is not creepy, agree to meet soon, probably laying out the terms relatively clearly, since otherwise they might be mistaken for regular girls and not paid. Sadly, dozens upon dozens of girls I chatted to over that site are not in this category..
A few years back (about 2012) ThaiFriendly and ThaiLoveLinks hookups were different, most girls would require minimal amount of chatting to meet, often on the same day (just a quick check I'm not creepy, no need for patience). Not all would go to my room after the first date (maybe about 30%), but that's fine. None asked for money.
Am I being clueless about that site, is that something blatantly obvious I'm missing? I'd absolutely LOVE a website or method where I could easily source a pro or semi-pro freelancer without putting in both work/time to charm-the-hooker and paying in the end.
Assuming that I'm a total newbie/idiot can someone break down for me in simple terms how to tap into that vast market of pros and semi-pros on online sites? Hopefully having *me* choose between options, and not getting stuck in long chats with many girls who are likely not up for the simple transaction?
Member #4591
09-06-15, 14:48
You write:
"Again once you make initial contact you can switch to the Line Application since the girls use this every minute of the day and may not always check their messages on the location based chat apps. <snip> "
Please clarify: LINE is a location based App so it is unclear what the above sentence is saying.
Thanks!
BKKguru.Line application is not a location based chat app. You cannot search strangers and random people in your area based on the GPS system in your phone. The only way you can chat with someone on the Line application is if you sync your phones contacts with the app or the lady gives you her Line ID. Since this seems to be the number 1 meathod for communication in Thaialnd you use it after you meet them on the location based chat apps like Tango, Skout, Tagged, We Chat, and Bee Talk. Again just to be clear, you cannot just log into your line app and find and talk to strangers or working girls. You must already have their contact info in your phones address book. This then syncs with your line application to link you as line friends. And again, secondly you can get the ladies line ID from her. Hope this is clear for everyone now.
Member #4591
09-06-15, 14:58
That high? In what ways do you filter them? What's your approach to messaging / chat (for instance, are you super explicit, subtle, patient, or what)?
I've been explicitly propositioned (sex for money) only twice on TF (among hundreds of girls I talked to). Most immediately give out their Line ID, but then insist on days of pointless boring message exchanges via Line, very few agreeing to meet on the same evening. By definition, any pro or semi-pro would try to close the deal as efficiently as possible, and as long as the guy is not creepy, agree to meet soon, probably laying out the terms relatively clearly, since otherwise they might be mistaken for regular girls and not paid. Sadly, dozens upon dozens of girls I chatted to over that site are not in this category..
A few years back (about 2012) ThaiFriendly and ThaiLoveLinks hookups were different, most girls would require minimal amount of chatting to meet, often on the same day (just a quick check I'm not creepy, no need for patience). Not all would go to my room after the first date (maybe about 30%), but that's fine. None asked for money.
Am I being clueless about that site, is that something blatantly obvious I'm missing? I'd absolutely LOVE a website or method where I could easily source a pro or semi-pro freelancer without putting in both work/time to charm-the-hooker and paying in the end.I would say that this is a more realistic account of Thai Friendly which is why if you are local you should stick to using the location based chat apps and If you are abroad and planning a trip then Thai Friendly is the best way to go. Not line application but We chat, Tango, Skout, Tagged, and Beetalk are the apps where you can meet strangers. You can search strangers who actually want to hook up. There are a big mix of pros, semi pros, amateaurs, and normal girls. It's a great way to meet the real Thai girls that don't socialize with foreigners. We chat is number 1 for finding working girls and Bee Talk is number 1 for normal Thai girls. , the rest are a big mix of all. But don't forget you need game guys. Don't go onto Beetalk and start up like a sex tourist, they will sniff you out easily. And learn some basic Thai. Stop asking for naked photos and don't ask for sex. Let the girls take the lead and you will be surprised the action you will get. Happy hunting.
P.S.: Don't walk hand-in-hand with Thai girls. It is not their custom and they will be thankful to you for respecting their culture.Depends on the girl. If she is your girlfriend (or a hooker), no problem in the modern day. 30 years ago, no. It was always anything goes in Pattaya though.
I recall being with a girl for extended time 25 years ago and she wasn't that keen to hold hands too much. Different era.
In a bar you can play with a girl's tits more than can get DFK in the bar. After a few drinks, girls loose many inhibitions. I have seen some go from prim and proper (as far as that is possible in a bar) to very wildly raunchy after a few drinks. It's better not to let girls get totally drunk though. If they can't walk properly, that is too many.
No problem Very Scary! A liitle confusion and chaos will lively things up here. :)
P.S.: Don't walk hand-in-hand with Thai girls. It is not their custom and they will be thankful to you for respecting their culture.This is absolutely not what I experienced on my first time in LOS. My regualr loved to walk hand in hand.
Also at veryscary, lets be realistic here, were not talking about walking around the Vatican City with Go Go girls. Do you think you will be the only farang anybody has seen with a Thai girl. One night I came back to my hotel and everybody in the lift who was with a Thai girl at 5. 30 am was in a room on my floor. We all smiled.
Regarding the chat apps I agree 100%, a different level of experience. Its takes more time but its totally worth it. I will write in more detail about this at some point.
Depends on the girl. If she is your girlfriend (or a hooker), no problem in the modern day. 30 years ago, no. It was always anything goes in Pattaya though.
I recall being with a girl for extended time 25 years ago and she wasn't that keen to hold hands too much. Different era.
In a bar you can play with a girl's tits more than can get DFK in the bar. After a few drinks, girls loose many inhibitions. I have seen some go from prim and proper (as far as that is possible in a bar) to very wildly raunchy after a few drinks. It's better not to let girls get totally drunk though. If they can't walk properly, that is too many.I met a girl who works for an airline and have had lots of fun dates with her, and we always were arm and arm or hand in hand, no problems, and she would initiate. Maybe things have changed after all!
Mumbai Guy
09-07-15, 18:21
That high? In what ways do you filter them? What's your approach to messaging / chat (for instance, are you super explicit, subtle, patient, or what)?
I've been explicitly propositioned (sex for money) only twice on TF (among hundreds of girls I talked to). Most immediately give out their Line ID, but then insist on days of pointless boring message exchanges via Line, very few agreeing to meet on the same evening. By definition, any pro or semi-pro would try to close the deal as efficiently as possible, and as long as the guy is not creepy, agree to meet soon, probably laying out the terms relatively clearly, since otherwise they might be mistaken for regular girls and not paid. Sadly, dozens upon dozens of girls I chatted to over that site are not in this category..
A few years back (about 2012) ThaiFriendly and ThaiLoveLinks hookups were different, most girls would require minimal amount of chatting to meet, often on the same day (just a quick check I'm not creepy, no need for patience). Not all would go to my room after the first date (maybe about 30%), but that's fine. None asked for money.
Am I being clueless about that site, is that something blatantly obvious I'm missing? I'd absolutely LOVE a website or method where I could easily source a pro or semi-pro freelancer without putting in both work/time to charm-the-hooker and paying in the end.
Assuming that I'm a total newbie/idiot can someone break down for me in simple terms how to tap into that vast market of pros and semi-pros on online sites? Hopefully having *me* choose between options, and not getting stuck in long chats with many girls who are likely not up for the simple transaction?Well I generally use a subtle approach. Due to cultural barriors Thai girls even if the are semi pros, will not directly proposition you for P4 P. But you have to give subtle hints in your chat exchanges and they will slowly open up. Yes almost all girls will give you Line ID's in first few chats if they approve of you.
Yes you have to engage in series of boring chats to open up the regular girls and to make them agree to meet you. But you need to start chatting with prospective girls at least a month or two prior to your trip. Even after that you may succeed in getting only a few to agree for a date. I know it is a long drawn and boring process but the results are good. You can expect to meet a couple of non pros. It isworth the effort. At least I feel so. Views on this may differ.
Charles Dickin
09-08-15, 05:58
Thank you to those who advised on how to get in and out of Crazy House without being robbed. I returned there one more time and following your advice narrowly managed to avoid dealing with the tax collector. I didn't get the girl I had in mind because the staff levels were low. I went in the bar at 9 and again at 10.30 so I think it was just a low turn out.
There is a board at the bottom of the stairs which lists all the numbers working and whether they are or have been bar fined. This is very useful. To make use of it, enter the bar, tell the waitress that you are going upstairs and make your way to the stairs in the far right corner by the elevator. You can't pause too long to read the scoreboard because it's by the checkout and they will move you on quickly.
This night I couldn't deal with the lady directly because she had very little English. But there's a waitress I've been friendly with since my first visit and she sorted everything. At first she did bring mamasan Paar. I was polite with Paar, no point pissing in your own pool right, but didn't hand over any money. I said I had already paid the bill to the waitress. I'm not a good liar but it seemed unusually dark in their that night so I think she couldn't see that I went red. Maybe that was just the alcohol. I said I would pay the lady directly. The tax collector accepted this and left empty handed. Boo ya!
When the waitress returned I paid her the bar bill and bar fine. She was confused that I had not paid the tax collector. I said the last time I was in the bar she took 5000. The waitress was shocked and asked me to explain. Then she said no worry, the fat mamasan, the one you guys were complaining about previously, no longer works here. I said it wasn't that one it was this one. The waitress seemed even more shocked but I think she likes a bit of drama and overacting. The waitress said no problem, she would drop some hints to the management. That was worth tipping.
Purely in the interests of research I can confirm that number 40 is totally natural. Who said missionary was boring? I could watch that motion all night. I see a lot of guys just stare at her boobs but if you look past them she is very pretty with a beautiful smile too. She's very very shy even though she dances butt naked in front of hundreds of strangers every night! Only in Thailand LOL.
It was hard to tell at first whether she was having a good time because she seemed to resist making any noise at all. But the liquids don't lie and she was, let's say, wetting the bed. I had to sleep in the shallow end. She's not very active so expect to do some work. She's not a starfish though just shy. She needs some training from the tigress. She's also a little embarrassed about her skin and her shape. I tried hard to convince her that her coke bottle figure with natural boob is very sexy. Even more so because she is pretty. So guys if you choose her then please do your best to boost her confidence. And pay attention to her other bits totally distracting though her breasts may be.
This is the third time I have made this post. I just can't figure out what I am doing wrong. Hold on a minute while I get another glass of wine.
So were was I! Ok I have made reports on this post for at least ten years. Most of my reports have been about south america. Now I'm branching out to south east Asia. I am still in the planning stages but if all works out I plan on going to Bangkok. I have found an apartment and plan on renting it for two months. This will be my base and I hope to take side trips to Cambodia and Laos. Any tips would be appreciated.
It was hard to tell at first whether she was having a good time because she seemed to resist making any noise at all. But the liquids don't lie and she was, let's say, wetting the bed. I had to sleep in the shallow end. She's not very active so expect to do some work. She's not a starfish though just shy. She needs some training from the tigress. She's also a little embarrassed about her skin and her shape. I tried hard to convince her that her coke bottle figure with natural boob is very sexy. Even more so because she is pretty. So guys if you choose her then please do your best to boost her confidence. And pay attention to her other bits totally distracting though her breasts may be.There are one or two girls very pretty, but a bit large in the ass for my taste, if that is what you mean by coke bottle figure. Unfortunately I struggle to remember the numbers, so forget right now which is number 40.
Its a pity mamasans have to get involved, but I seem to manage to avoid them mostly. However helps greatly I speak Thai, and many of my girls are repeats, and some girls don't even talk about price with me. All comes from being a well known regular. Good idea if you can get a good waitress to help you. I have a regular waitress who looks after me well (not one of the ladyboys). I look after her too.
Wolvenvacht
09-08-15, 18:49
This is the third time I have made this post. I just can't figure out what I am doing wrong. Hold on a minute while I get another glass of wine.
So were was I! Ok I have made reports on this post for at least ten years. Most of my reports have been about south america. Now I'm branching out to south east Asia. I am still in the planning stages but if all works out I plan on going to Bangkok. I have found an apartment and plan on renting it for two months. This will be my base and I hope to take side trips to Cambodia and Laos. Any tips would be appreciated.Some tips? Difficult to do as there is not much info in your message to start with. Perhaps you can tell the forum where your apartment is and we can branch out from there.
You stay 2 months, so either you have a visum for 60 days or more or you are from a country that gets 30 days free without visum. If the latter you will have to leave before the 30 days are over and that would be a good moment to change scenery and visit Laos (Luang Prabang is nice for a long weekend; Vientiane is a dump and holds few attractions) or Cambodia (Siem Reap with the old Khmer temples is a must visit) and by coming back get another 30 days for free without visum..
If the former, make sure you have a multi-entry visum or otherwise your visum is cancelled when you leave for a little trip abroad and they won't let you back in on the same visum even if you have some time left on that visum.
Now start reading the forum and come back if you have more specific questions.
If you want a quick "absolute beginners visitor to Bangkok" post, have a look at http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1769515&viewfull=1#post1769515
Then she said no worry, the fat mamasan, the one you guys were complaining about previously, no longer works here. I said it wasn't that one it was this one. The waitress seemed even more shocked but I think she likes a bit of drama and overacting. The waitress said no problem, she would drop some hints to the management. That was worth tipping.
I am glad to hear if the fat mamasan has been fired, or left of her own accord. She was the most nuisance one from my point of view. The new mid sized one is so far reported to be good. I don't know mamasan names. Its strange you can call mamasans by name, but not the girls you sessioned with.
I do forget some of the names of girls that were not great and not worth repeating. However I know these girls: Oom, Ging-Gaew (big tits), Noi (ex waitress), May-Lee (gone for now), Aor (blonde) (sounds like Oar), Nat (long gone), Naam, Garfae (coffee), May, Chocolate. You can see I know too many girls to be able to entertain them all. I would not be buying drinks for the last 3. I know Chocolate only because she is ex Dollhouse. Not one of the prettiest for me, but always seems to hook customers quickly. Don't know why. Noi's look is improving because she is on a major weight loss campaign. I might even consider taking her again as she fucks well when not drunk. Naam is not a good session for me but is quite pretty. Okay For sitting nude on your lap but not worth barfining. She likes Korean dick. Oom, Ging, and Aor are all excellent girls on the bed. May-Lee was a great fuck when a little inebriated and best overall looker of all except for Nat. Very pretty and great body with be almost see cups. Ging gets customers easily due to cute and big tits.
I also sessioned with Mint and Bo (big tits) in the past. Bo was a starfish, but I still remember her for the tits.
There are probably only about 3 or 4 girls I tried once, were pathetic or dick scared, and names now forgotten. I am nearly 60 and memory is not the same as when 20, but at least the Alzheimers has not set in too badly.
Member #4387
09-09-15, 16:17
I've been in BKK a couple of days with a side trip (daytrip) to Pattis to watch the Norway. Croatia game. Met quite a few girls as usual and had loads of fun. I've stayed the Intercontinental hotel here in BKK at some club room as I find it very relaxing and comforting to chill here early eve in between girls and clubbing.
I have done some back in the days mongering as in hooking a few FL girls from my old hangout spots, met a few regulars and one pinay girls (which I new from Makati, phils). Since it has been like a good year or so I was visiting the old hang outs as Climax, Hilary 3 and Insanity (old old Insomnia Suk soi 12). I've been to BKK many times despite this but only to cater my regular girls and they are allergic nor do I mention anything about any low suk soi numbers. We hang in other parts of BKK as Thong Lor (mostly).
Anyway did I have this incident today with one girl coming and one girl going. The first girl was a tad late and session lasted longer than expected. The second girl was a tad early. I just send the first girl out of the room knowing that the second girl was down in the lobby waiting. Made up an excuse to the departing girl (toilet emergency, had to take a dump) so I did not have to assist her down as obviously or most likely the arriving girl would have spotted us. After arriving girl departed out the door she wanted to suck my member a tad as in a nice way of saying goodby and ofcourse I accepted the offer. Arriving girl is the jealous sort so I had to do some heavy evidence removals (hair in bed, hair on bath room floor, shower caps, toothbrush, etc etc). After enjoying quite some debate regarding evidence removals in the phil thread I am getting pretty good at it.
I finish up send departing girl a msg asking if she is in taxi. She is so I feel it is safe to go down pick up second girl. I get her and we go inside my room. I took a shower with departing girl so I am clean. New girl jumps in the shower and I have a beer while waiting for another good round of BKK pussy. Girl comes out with the normal towel wrapped around her and goes down on me to give me a good BBJ. Here the fun starts.
OMG my dick is all read from departing girls lipstick. New girl spotted this giving me some handjob and her hand got all read. I concider myself to be quite a good liar but in this case I went all brain carpeted and had nothing to say except from "uh", "HM", "strange" etc etc. It did not sound good at all gents. So I just admitted to the girl exactly what did just went down and she lost her temper. I am a pretty big guy body wice but despite that this petite thai spinner jumped me. My big hands managed to lock her hands and feet as she was hitting and kicking like crazy. From this position, and not to destroy her, I was pretty much safe and I held her down for some good minutes. She was spitting on me screaming she never been so insulted all her life and she thought she could trust me. She did not threaten me on my life but I know she has some recources, so to make my BKK stay a mess from there and out, she is perfectly capable of. She got tired as she used all her strength and I eased my locks on her. She just dressed and left the room talking something in thai i did not understand(i dont understand thai).
Lesson learned, beeing a monger and all, must be that never let a girl blow you before you meet the next one without swiping off ir dick. Remember the lipstick catching me realy off guard. That was sloppy. And if shit happens, like it did with me, change location. I just wrapped up my stuffs checked out of the Intercon and into a new hotel. Just incase she reads here (I hardly doubt it but you never know) I think my new hotel will be a secret atleast until I depart BKK.
By the way I have done some success in Badoo lately. Just for fun and daytime action. Loads of LB but most ladies / guys are frank about it if you ask (a few get mad but no worries). For the mad ones just move on as it is a big pale of girls out there.
Member #4387
09-09-15, 16:33
After a few drinks, girls loose many inhibitions. I have seen some go from prim and proper (as far as that is possible in a bar) to very wildly raunchy after a few drinks. It's better not to let girls get totally drunk though. If they can't walk properly, that is too many.Hehe, not from a bar but I used the btl service in nightclub called Vics in Beijing a few years ago. Hooked up with a chineese girl and all of us visiting China more or less regulary knows chineese people in general can't drink. She was empteeing glass after glass of grey goose and me beeing drunk myself did not see what was coming.
Ended up me carrying her on my back her head facing downwords towards my ass, me holding her legs. She puked and my jeans I just threw away as they were stenched in puke. As she was half dead entering my hotel there was no fucking but after she woke up around mid day we got down to business. I remember she in her half dead state, after arriving hotel, told me to fuck her but I did not want to fuck her without she knowing what she did. Probably a wice decission.
Member #4387
09-09-15, 16:50
I beg to differ. Perhaps you are just attracting the pros and semi pros. I have chatted with many 100% no pros in the past and was never surprised. But you are correct they are really easy to find out.Beeing a heavy user of datingsites the former 10 years or so I would say I have become very good at deviding P4 P from the more regular crowd. The problem is the blurred girls who stand out as very good girls but are not sayingno if money is offered and they like you. They have to like you in some way if they will meet you. Anyway I stopped use of every datingsite a good year ago and cater now only theough a very fake fb. The same goes on our there as when I communicate with the girls to devide good from bad girls (P4 P and non pro girls). I just in precom make it clear no money is going to change hand and if you want to meet me it is bcs you like me and nothing else. I ofcourse offer (atleast in BKK) to take the girls on a date but again I never take them on a timeconsuming date if I don't know the lay of the land beeing pretty much like 100% we will fuck later. In phils I pretty much more get girls to come directly to my room for drinks. I loose some girls through this kind of communication but as my ultimate goal is to bed as much pukie I can I don't have time to play around to much. I don't spend a lot of time communicating with the girls either. Ofcourse I will gift them with some money after the deed is done but the girls don't know that before they meet me. I have GF back home and would never degrade myself to exploit a girl standing without any beneficials after she provides me with what I love the most in this world (after mom and dad). I have a few exceptions in Thailand as a few regulars are on the same level as me and cheat their husbands, have good jobs and solid economy. Still I pay wine and dine expenses (we meet around the world or in other SEA destinations).
Skogis,
Funny story, but as an evidence expert, youbshould know that once a girl has touched you in anybway, her scent will be on you and you must shower.
Thai girls can have extremely sensitive noses even if no lipstick. You don't just put clothes on after a blowjob.
Yes I understand time was short. LOL You needed to tell 2nd girl you were on the toilet to delay.
I don't monger at home. Don't want to worry about evidence. I have had consecutive girls in a Hotel. So had to get room cleaned in between, or at least fresh towels. Wet spots on the bed are not good.
My eyesight is not good enough to find every hair these days.
I have to keep my passport hidden. That is most damning evidence. Sometimes pretend to leave Thailand when actually didn't. Its getting difficult to do this convincingly any more. Apps like LINE make us too contactable.
Michelangelo
09-10-15, 05:06
I am glad to hear if the fat mamasan has been fired, or left of her own accord. She was the most nuisance one from my point of view. The new mid sized one is so far reported to be good. I don't know mamasan names. Its strange you can call mamasans by name, but not the girls you sessioned with.
I do forget some of the names of girls that were not great and not worth repeating. However I know these girls: Oom, Ging-Gaew (big tits), Noi (ex waitress), May-Lee (gone for now), Aor (blonde) (sounds like Oar), Nat (long gone), Naam, Garfae (coffee), May, Chocolate. You can see I know too many girls to be able to entertain them all. I would not be buying drinks for the last 3. I know Chocolate only because she is ex Dollhouse. Not one of the prettiest for me, but always seems to hook customers quickly. Don't know why. Noi's look is improving because she is on a major weight loss campaign. I might even consider taking her again as she fucks well when not drunk. Naam is not a good session for me but is quite pretty. Okay For sitting nude on your lap but not worth barfining. She likes Korean dick. Oom, Ging, and Aor are all excellent girls on the bed. May-Lee was a great fuck when a little inebriated and best overall looker of all except for Nat. Very pretty and great body with be almost see cups. Ging gets customers easily due to cute and big tits.
I also sessioned with Mint and Bo (big tits) in the past. Bo was a starfish, but I still remember her for the tits.
There are probably only about 3 or 4 girls I tried once, were pathetic or dick scared, and names now forgotten. I am nearly 60 and memory is not the same as when 20, but at least the Alzheimers has not set in too badly.Indeed great news about this mamasan. I gave Crazy House a miss a few times recently just because of her.
Disagree with you on Chocolate. She looks good, although has taken up some weight after having left Dollhouse. Have barfined her once. Not a great experience. Does not like to BJ and fairly standard FS. May and Oom are much better.
Indeed great news about this mamasan. I gave Crazy House a miss a few times recently just because of her.
Disagree with you on Chocolate. She looks good, although has taken up some weight after having left Dollhouse. Have barfined her once. Not a great experience. Does not like to BJ and fairly standard FS. May and Oom are much better.Okay Chocolate a bit ordinary looking to me, but did select her once from Dollhouse, funny fringe haircut, and put on a bit much weight as you say, to go with very lacklustre performance.
Oom (93?) has small tits, put on just a little weight on the ass, but pretty face and a tigress on the bed. Kisses nicely but not in public. Really seems to like a good fuck a lot. Not sure I have the stamina. LOL. Once she apologised for taking so long to cum. LOL. Was doing DATY so my jaw almost dropped off. Probably she likes it harder than I gave her.
Took me a long time to latch on to Oom. I originally misjudged her character, from a distance, as she seemed to make some strange faces, but later learned she seems to be quite a nice girl, at least she is when with me. She had a Thai boy when she first started, but she claims she has ditched him and only looks after her family now, staying with sister and pets. A bit on the shy side, but changes when aroused. Worth giving her a few tequilas to get her extra horny. LOL. She will always come to me unless she thinks I want some other girl, then shyly hang back till I call her to me. Her behaviour is quite proper in the bar. Not the slightest bit pushy or aggressive. I prefer shy girls over pushy girls any day.
May who did lots of shows upstairs, is not as good on the bed for me, but may be good for others. Certainly a very sexy dancer type. Not very shy at all.
Have to recommend Ging with the big natural tits. Just a tiny bit shy but very playful and fun on the bed. She is very relaxed as knows guys can't resist her. Gets plenty of customers, even if face is not the prettiest there, still cute, however the tits are magnificent (best in club at the time I last visited).
Member #4387
09-10-15, 15:41
Have been running on fumes lately as to many sessions. Normaly just catered some BKK hangouts attending regular thais but this trip a tad different. Adding in the Badoo (watch out for the LB's) I have been almost to busy. I guess running around in the hornyfog makes we never want to stop. After a Badoo girl coming into my hotel I slipped her out of my room around midnight with 1. 5 k. Then it was Levels.
Arrived there around 2 am after recharging in my room and it was loads of girls present. Obviously some FL's which eyeball you as you enter, operating in groups or solo. They have a way of using their eyes and smiles that ordinary girls don't have. I went for the second this time ordering in a btl of vodka so I wasnt feeling to alone. I was getting good vibes from this paleskinned, tall thai girl, after a few minutes. Looked like she was together with some workcolleagues as their table was in uneven numbers male / female ratio. A few westerns as well. Since they were just having beers and I spotted the girl looking at my btl I manned up and invited her over. I did this after spotting the table and she seemed unattached to the males. Atleast it was a nice try to see if I have any game left. I bought the their table a round of their prefered beers and the males and female appreciated this. I was not cheeky in any way but as nice as only I can be. She joined my table and luckely she spoke great english. They did have a night out as they normaly did once a month. She told me she was single, had lived abroad before and I started the normal lie I was single too (which I haven't been in what I can remember). She was tipsy and vitty and I guess that helped a lot as we met at the same level (s), hehe.
A few members of her table came over for a swift chat and asked if I was a good guy, in which I ofcourse admitted. I knew back home in my hotel I now had done a very good job removing evidence from the departing Badoo girl (also did her covered) so all in all I felt good about myself. The night went along and her previous party left. She told me she had the next day off as she normaly got so hangovered so she made sure her scheduel was free the next day. I could not see any FL genetics in this one and how to break it she could join me in my room was a tricky one. Alcohol flow makes this easier so I just popped the question and luckely she joined me.
This afternoon when she left she was in all regrets banging me the first time we met. I comforted her the best I could despite she telling me she never did like this before. I would not bet all my money that was true or not but she did have quite unseasoned skills bedwice (but sometimes that fun too) beeing 32 and no child policy so far. When it came to her leaving I have as a rule as I allways want to compensate them girls no matter what their status is. This one despited everything regarding gift as she was no prostitutes and could very well manage on her own thank you. I got her full name from her and will send some money when I can come up with a great excuse. Maybe a girl I will have for later incl into my fleet of regular thais. Use of condom never came up.
Did two more girls this late afternoon and early eve. 1 Badoo girl (covered sex) and 1 I know from before working in a known gentlemans club (bb). Wonder what the night will bring and if I will have a go at Mixx.
Member #4591
09-11-15, 12:50
Here I goes boys. Full report tomorrow. It's goona be a doozy tonight!
Haven't been to Soi Cowboy in a few years, so I decided to check it out with the primary goal of seeing Crazy House after reports here.
On my stroll down Soi Cowboy, it was a bit overwhelming, and I had to keep my eyes forward lest I overload. Couldn't find Crazy House at first so I stopped into one of the other places, Dollhouse I think. Had a couple beers here, and was close to barfining as there were some real cuties here (and it seems that the "Korean" or "Japanese" look is very popular now, a lot of girls done up that way). Some had ridiculous bodies, one I wasn't even sure was 18.
Curiosity got the better of me and I moved on to find Crazy House. Found it around the corner at the very end. Walked in, and flesh everywhere. It was quite a sight. I had one beer here and left. The reason? It felt a bit too raunchy for me. Maybe if I was in a different mood and a bit more drunk. Some cuties, and others I got turned off because of tattoos everywhere. A few are good for me, but not sleeves or full back.
BTW what is the expected tip? 10%? 20 baht per drink? Nothing?
After leaving Crazy House, I headed back to Dollhouse. But decided to check out Baccara since they had some cute girls outside beckoning. Here I found a cute girl that was going to hotel management school, and her friend was there too (we added Line later, and her friend is in her picture, she spoke to her before we left for the hotel). Typical rules (no kissing, CBJ which I'm ok with), but otherwise quite GFE, and she seemed to enjoy it too. Might see her again next time. Ended up being 800 barfine, minimum two drinks, plus 2500ST. I think this is average for the price, please correct me if I'm wrong.
All in all, it would seem soapy and barfined girl is about the same price after tips, maybe a bit more in the bars if you buy lady drinks.
BTW what is the expected tip? 10%? 20 baht per drink? Nothing?Tipping isn't percent based. You can leave 10-20 baht per person. Also NO TIP is fine too. It's up to you.
All in all, it would seem soapy and barfined girl is about the same price after tips, maybe a bit more in the bars if you buy lady drinks. I feel that gogo's are more expensive because I am going to be there longer and drink. Plus I don't have to worry about accommodating women in a girl friendly hotel if I go to a soapy, room is included in the price. There are soapies with better prices, like Colonze 2 which is 1700 baht for some really good looking women. That's an all-inclusive price, whereas with gogo's I always seem to spend about 3500-4000 baht for BF / LDs / ST room / ST price + my own drinks.
Also, the women who work at Baccara, and probably generally Soi cowboy, are hustlers. Unless you know the area well, you will always be paying the maximum in the price range. They aren't the shy girls they are masquerading as. They know what's up, and they will offer for the highest price they can.
This guy's blog would give a ballpark idea of prices: bangkokredeye.com/ soi-cowboy-red-light-district. Html. So 2500 is probably average for Baccara. Probably above average but not too bad. You probably could have gotten 2000 if you asked. Up to you.
Wolvenvacht
09-12-15, 12:36
BTW what is the expected tip? 10%? 20 baht per drink? Nothing?Thailand does not really have a "tipping culture". Tipping is entirely free. Usually I leave the small change for the waitress.
Of course they appreciate a tip and will thank you with a wai and a big smile, but if you don't tip it is equally OK.
Hey fellow mongers.
I wanted to share my 2 cents about my experience with TFL and Ba* apps in respect to BKK. Now in no way I qualify as prized customers in the eyes of the WGs of BKK. Not thai speaking nor the caucasian farang if they care about that for future life stability purposes.
But, I must say getting responses on tfl were pretty easy as long as I wrote a bit about myself and what I was looking for (be frank) but respectful and had some believable pics in the profile. Got responses for 1 out of 3 messages sent and eventually met 2 girls thru the apps due to lack of time. I had many more options but filtered down to these 2.
Great experiences - 1 came directly to my hotel eventually tho we decide on a nice date night on a rooftop place. And then there was no looking back. The other was a bit more conservartive but I got some action and fun in the cinemas.
Bottomline, stay positive, respectful and frank and you should have no problems with apps in BKK. Wish I was there more often!
Thailand does not really have a "tipping culture". Tipping is entirely free. Usually I leave the small change for the waitress.
Of course they appreciate a tip and will thank you with a wai and a big smile, but if you don't tip it is equally OK.I don't really agree. If a waitress has spent significant time looking after you, a good tip is called for. Bars also expect tips for the bar staff.
Thais don't tip in all situations and less than americans but in entertainment venues, they do. Waitresses in Soapies rely on tips. They get paid extremely little.
Wolvenvacht
09-12-15, 16:45
I don't really agree. If a waitress has spent significant time looking after you, a good tip is called for. Bars also expect tips for the bar staff.
Thais don't tip in all situations and less than americans but in entertainment venues, they do. Waitresses in Soapies rely on tips. They get paid extremely little.I agree with you, but I don't call that "tipping". I usually buy the waitress a ladydrink or give her some money for the time she spends with me. I call that a fee for services rendered. A tip is something I give over and above the fee.
In soapies I rarely spend enough time to order a drink.
Here I goes boys. Full report tomorrow. It's goona be a doozy tonight!Went there (Crazy House) today after paying 500 thb entry. There was nude dance but couldn't find any one stunning. Waitress was sitting on our head for drinks one after another. So after some time went away. Baccara- there was a board outside mentioning only members entry. Went inside doll house free entry happy hour 90 thb drinkanand 150 thb lady drink. Nearly all were either boob less or silicone. Selected one and ordered lady drink but didn't want to barfine her.
Moved away to Shark. Quality was the best there. Many beautiful and stunning ladies. Selected one cute one called her. Ordered few ladydrinks then decided to barfine. Went to hotel room ST, very beautiful face and body with naturalD size beautiful soft breasts. Had a good session but ended with condom burst in doggy heavy pumping. Anyway I always have PEP kit ready and started the 28 day PEP regimen to be safe although she said. She is tested regularly and is free of all diseases.
Damages: lady drinks:500, barfine: 600, ST: 2500 =3600.
Pic attached.
Name Saya.
500 Baht entry would be a discriminatory scam I guess. Bars do not have entry charge. Never heard of it before.
I guess you don't like slim girls. Different taste. Yaya is not my taste at all. I like slim with small waist and skinny legs, but still curvy. For tits I take big or small no problem. No sillies or rarely.
Went there (Crazy House) today after paying 500 thb entry. There was nude dance but couldn't find any one stunning. Waitress was sitting on our head for drinks one after another. So after some time went away. Baccara- there was a board outside mentioning only members entry. Went inside doll house free entry happy hour 90 thb drinkanand 150 thb lady drink. Nearly all were either boob less or silicone. Selected one and ordered lady drink but didn't want to barfine her.
Moved away to Shark. Quality was the best there. Many beautiful and stunning ladies. Selected one cute one called her. Ordered few ladydrinks then decided to barfine. Went to hotel room ST, very beautiful face and body with naturalD size beautiful soft breasts. Had a good session but ended with condom burst in doggy heavy pumping. Anyway I always have PEP kit ready and started the 28 day PEP regimen to be safe although she said. She is tested regularly and is free of all diseases.
Damages: lady drinks:500, barfine: 600, ST: 2500 =3600.
Pic attached.
Name Saya.It's possible you were asked to pay these entrance fee's to deter you from entering. Are you Indian? That would make sense if so. That kind of 2 tier pricing is done heavily on Soi Cowboy.
Shark is my personal favorite if I go to Soi Cowboy. So many good lookers in there, it's like they never run out too. I actually don't find the Bacarra Bangkok girls attractive at all (Pattaya is a 100% different story) . They are do-able I guess, just not my type, clothes on or off. They are too small / tiny or just too much baby fat. They really seem to be pushing the Asian doll theme. Not my type. Even their best of the best look too fragile / small instead of toned / busty.
I would have thought sleep here with no sex means she is a "good" girl but passion may ovrcome her. If she is going to sleep there, I don't think it is totally clear there will be no sex. Probably just need to play it cool. Kiss a lot and touch and see what happens. Don't think I would send her away.
I am back in BKK. Given that Syzygies interpreted the no sex statement very differently from me, prior to arriving in BKK I contacted this girl again on Thai Freindly, apologised for what had happened and suggested we meet again. She agreed and we hooked up last night and it was one of the best sex I have had in a long time.
We met in a night club, and after a few drinks the kising and the groping started. She had this super sexy move of kissing with the ice cube in her mouth which I really liked. When we got back to my room, I suggested we go to the balcony as its quite nice with very good views. There are even bean sacks there and as I sat on one, she came and planted herself on top me. Now most girls I have been with seem quite concious and even insist on pulling the curtains when in the room. So I wasnt expecting anything more than maybe kissing. It did start there but then she took one of my hands and puts it on her boobs. As I started playing with them she takes her top off, removes her bra and thrusts her beautiful breats towards my mouth. I duly obliged and a few minutes later the rest of the clothes come off. I give her DATY while she sat with her legs spread on the bean bag and her hands holding the railing. And then she says, fuck me please and off course, I immediately listened to her. Morning sex was mindblowing as well. I offered to take her to a really nice breakfast place I know off soi 22 (Its called Gastro for anyone interested) but she had to go. No money was exchanged and messages have been exchanged today expressing eagerness to meet again!
As I write this report, I am contemplating whether to go out to a night club or just invite her back again! Usually two nights in a row ruins the fun, so I might just head out.
Thai Friendly can be a mixed bag, but this one turned out great and only because Syzygies bothered to share his views on my last exprience with this girl. So thanks Syzygies.
ActionOriented
09-14-15, 03:17
Went there (Crazy House) today after paying 500 thb entry. ..... Baccara- there was a board outside mentioning only members entry. ....
....Oh boy, the RB4 scam on Indians seems to have started affecting soi Cowboy as well. Bacarra allows everyone entry including Indians only thing they expect is that you buy a drink (reasonable). CH is variable, I have been given the 'members only' line once or twice, but no problems on a couple of other occasions, but not asked for a entry charge. Its been quite a few months since I last visited.
These changes like "members only / entry charge" BS in soi Cowboy make me sad, another venue to avoid in the future?
Oh boy, the RB4 scam on Indians seems to have started affecting soi Cowboy as well. Bacarra allows everyone entry including Indians only thing they expect is that you buy a drink (reasonable). CH is variable, I have been given the 'members only' line once or twice, but no problems on a couple of other occasions, but not asked for a entry charge. Its been quite a few months since I last visited.
These changes like "members only / entry charge" BS in soi Cowboy make me sad, another venue to avoid in the future?I think any very busy bar could be trying to exclude any ethnic groups assumed to be wasting space where they are not expected to spend any significant money. Guys have been seem to sit on one water for very long times.
It's very unfortunate when all have to suffer due to very unfortunate generalisation based on past experience. Suggest try not to conform and dress very classy differently to most others. If most guys have a moustache, then maybe avoid having that. LOL. I get amazed when I see groups of guys together and they all seen to be trying to have exactly same haircut, facial hair, dress style, shoes, etc. This is not purely an observation in Thailand.
For some reason there is a generalisation that certain ethnicities generally don't spend any money and are therefore a waste of space, expecting to get everything for free.
I would prefer to see drunks excluded since they often have severe behavioural problems, causing safety issues. One Japanese guy threw a glass and it smashed causing injury, yet he was not ejected. That is unfathomable. I also cannot sit near someone with bad BO, be they Indian, black, Farang, or any country (doesn't matter). Just too irritating for me and just not used to it.
Bar staff are expert in the way Asians dress and act. They say they can pick which country they come from by dress style. Certain nationalities of Farangs are still generalised to be stingy, but much harder to pick them on entry to bars.
Where You Go
09-14-15, 23:36
Then she said no worry, the fat mamasan, the one you guys were complaining about previously, no longer works here.
That is great news. She was the most obnoxious hustler in BKK, flat out overcharged me for the ST and said that I had agreed to give her a 500 THB tip. I was drinking soda water and I could count. Bait and switch with many, they are all over you in the bar and then a complete starfish in the room. I think it was 40 or 50 (the one with the tats) was the worst. After we got to the room, I showered last and when I came out she had the covers pulled up to her chin and said "I want to get this over with and leave" so I told her to go ahead and leave now, just bad luck. Later went back to report and the fat mamasan started waving her arms and suddenly forgot how to speak English.
ActionOriented
09-15-15, 03:24
I think any very busy bar could be trying to exclude any ethnic groups assumed to be wasting space where they are not expected to spend any significant money. Guys have been seem to sit on one water for very long times.
It's very unfortunate when all have to suffer due to very unfortunate generalisation based on past experience. Suggest try not to conform and dress very classy differently to most others. If most guys have a moustache, then maybe avoid having that. LOL. I get amazed when I see groups of guys together and they all seen to be trying to have exactly same haircut, facial hair, dress style, shoes, etc. This is not purely an observation in Thailand.
For some reason there is a generalisation that certain ethnicities generally don't spend any money and are therefore a waste of space, expecting to get everything for free.
I would prefer to see drunks excluded since they often have severe behavioural problems, causing safety issues. One Japanese guy threw a glass and it smashed causing injury, yet he was not ejected. That is unfathomable. I also cannot sit near someone with bad BO, be they Indian, black, Farang, or any country (doesn't matter). Just too irritating for me and just not used to it.
Bar staff are expert in the way Asians dress and act. They say they can pick which country they come from by dress style. Certain nationalities of Farangs are still generalised to be stingy, but much harder to pick them on entry to bars.Yes, I have got a hang of the way the thai perceive and discriminate in their establishments and like you say the generalisation based on past experience is simply unfortunate for other mongers belonging to a certain ethnic group. Nevermind, it's up to them to make or lose several bahts from willing mongers (stingy mongers in that ethnic group excepted), Thailand still has several fun places, I was a little taken aback by the report which mentioned two places that I have liked much in the past have started doing this BS.
Yes, I have got a hang of the way the thai perceive and discriminate in their establishments and like you say the generalisation based on past experience is simply unfortunate for other mongers belonging to a certain ethnic group. Nevermind, it's up to them to make or lose several bahts from willing mongers (stingy mongers in that ethnic group excepted), Thailand still has several fun places, I was a little taken aback by the report which mentioned two places that I have liked much in the past have started doing this BS.There is little doubt that Crazy House has some bad scamming people and irritating people working there and also some good very honest staff working. I just put up with this and have my very honest waitress who looks after me special, and some have dancing girls that I know well and trust too. I particularly avoided fat mamasan who is reported to be gone. She was definitely dishonest and had the worst reputation with the other staff too.
If staff treat me well I reward them. However if a waitress or anyone else keeps hounding me for a drink, I tell her to fuck off. Service first, then reward comes without having to ask. Smart girls understand this. Dumb girls don't.
One day I was slightly short of enough money to cover the bill. My waitress covered the remainder, because we have such a good relationship and she knew she will get it back next time and in future rewards. If I am a well short of the bill total, I just go out to ATM and come back. This is fine for the staff since I am good regular customer and known to be trustworthy.
I think anyone can be treated well by building a good reputation for behaviour, spending, and grooming, no matter what is your skin colour. I do see Indians in Crazy House even if they are a small minority. I would say well over 60% of customers are Japanese and Korean and 30% Farangs.
Haven't been into Baccara or Shark for a while, but will check them out again soon, just to see if they have improved for more natural girls and or more nudity. Shark used to be one of the most boring bars, due to no shows, crap music (for an old timer like me) and girls just shuffling on the stage over dressed, and so much fake tits and noses and stupid hairstyles. Even a new DJ changing the music could make a big difference.
ActionOriented
09-15-15, 14:24
There is little doubt that Crazy House has some bad scamming people and irritating people working there and also some good very honest staff working. I just put up with this and have my very honest waitress who looks after me special, and some have dancing girls that I know well and trust too. I particularly avoided fat mamasan who is reported to be gone. She was definitely dishonest and had the worst reputation with the other staff too.
If staff treat me well I reward them. However if a waitress or anyone else keeps hounding me for a drink, I tell her to fuck off. Service first, then reward comes without having to ask. Smart girls understand this. Dumb girls don't.
One day I was slightly short of enough money to cover the bill. My waitress covered the remainder, because we have such a good relationship and she knew she will get it back next time and in future rewards. If I am a well short of the bill total, I just go out to ATM and come back. This is fine for the staff since I am good regular customer and known to be trustworthy.
I think anyone can be treated well by building a good reputation for behaviour, spending, and grooming, no matter what is your skin colour. I do see Indians in Crazy House even if they are a small minority. I would say well over 60% of customers are Japanese and Korean and 30% Farangs.
Haven't been into Baccara or Shark for a while, but will check them out again soon, just to see if they have improved for more natural girls and or more nudity. Shark used to be one of the most boring bars, due to no shows, crap music (for an old timer like me) and girls just shuffling on the stage over dressed, and so much fake tits and noses and stupid hairstyles. Even a new DJ changing the music could make a big difference.Haha, good point (service first, reward later), I had a preferred waitress at Bacarra, who generally is on outdoor bar duty and since she has been extra nice to me over time, I do buy her a drink and leave a substantial tip for good information on the girls when I get the chance to visit. But the incessant buzzing asking for drinks can be very irritating indeed, if a farang tells the girl to buzz off - no harm, the little pests just move onto the next punter and if an Indian asks them to buzz off - it is chalked up to being cheap and the girl will likely let you know her displeasure! I have gone to Go-Gos with farang friends as well and I have noticed that the girls tend to buzz off quicker when a farang tells them that he ain't buying them any drinks, not that quick on the withdraw when I say it! Different strokes, I guess.
Haha, good point (service first, reward later), I had a preferred waitress at Bacarra, who generally is on outdoor bar duty and since she has been extra nice to me over time, I do buy her a drink and leave a substantial tip for good information on the girls when I get the chance to visit. But the incessant buzzing asking for drinks can be very irritating indeed, if a farang tells the girl to buzz off - no harm, the little pests just move onto the next punter and if an Indian asks them to buzz off - it is chalked up to being cheap and the girl will likely let you know her displeasure! I have gone to Go-Gos with farang friends as well and I have noticed that the girls tend to buzz off quicker when a farang tells them that he ain't buying them any drinks, not that quick on the withdraw when I say it! Different strokes, I guess.I can't say if different treatment for Farangs, but can say the staff girls and LBs vary a lot. Some very annoying.
I am left alone a lot more due to being a known face, but if my regular waitress is not there, the others maybe too keen to be the replacement.
1. How do these people eat street food when flies are all over the food??
2. What are these people selling from what looks like from out of a briefcase these pieces of paper with I think numbers on them?
3. I'm tempted to take one of these motorcycle taxis to the soapy areas but looks so dangerous, is it safe??
4. I never knew the Indian culture was so much part of Thailand, has it always been like this?? How do they fit in or rank in Thailand culture?
1. How do these people eat street food when flies are all over the food??
2. What are these people selling from what looks like from out of a briefcase these pieces of paper with I think numbers on them?
3. I'm tempted to take one of these motorcycle taxis to the soapy areas but looks so dangerous, is it safe??
4. I never knew the Indian culture was so much part of Thailand, has it always been like this?? How do they fit in or rank in Thailand culture?They put a lot of chilies on the food. Flies don't like Chile.
They are selling numbers.
They are safe.
They don't.
I posted this on "General" - it rightly belongs here as any reader will agreeif they scroll down a couple of pages. Far to many posts are by old timers jousting with each other. FFS - let's have some new information and less arguments about Candy. and her rivals.
""That as I plan my next November trip (and seek up-to-date information) that the scope of this board is incredibly limited.
There just is nothing new. Mere amplification of tedious detail on a very limited number of places*. And the same is true of the web. Look up "Bangkok Massage Parlours. Top ten" - and all the reports cover virtually the same places. Night life reports are not just constrained to NEP, Soi Cowboy and Patong but also to the same three or four bars in each place. The same applies to Pattaya and Phuket.
* and excruitiatig arguments as to whether or not 'A' is a better lay than 'be. '.
It is all a bit like country guide books. Each edition reinforces previous editions because visitors / reporters never get outside the places in the guide book.
I am deliberately making a list of places to avoid. And 'tho I may visit NEP and Soi Cowboy it will not be to any bars recommended here.
Time both locals and visitors "explored. ".
What do you mean selling numbers? Numbers for what?
They put a lot of chilies on the food. Flies don't like Chile.
They are selling numbers.
They are safe.
They don't.
What do you mean selling numbers? Numbers for what?Gambling. Common in NYC.
I have been to Bangkok quite a few times over the years. The last time was just a couple nights in December 2013. Normally I make the rounds between Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy with pit stops at places like Thermae or whatever current new place is happening at the time.
So in general, how is the scene nowadays compared to back then? I have to say it seemed pretty good last time. Nana was noticeably much more full of ladyboys, which was a bit of a turnoff. Rainbow 4 and some others there were pretty good though. Soi Cowboy did seem to have bigger numbers of cute ones though, and I was a long-time Nana Plaza fan, so that was new for me that time. The Nana parking lot was not as good as in the past, when it used to fill up with lots of cute ones around 2 am every night, at the time when Nana Plaza and the disco over there both closed. That was always my solid Plan be for nights when I didn't find something that seemed worth taking all night, and usually the plan worked.
So how is it nowadays?
Thanks
BandCamper
09-16-15, 14:10
Hello,
While in Bangkok last year I tried DJ BJ's Salon. Paid 700 bht for 'Consultant' (1000 for 'Nurse', don't ask me the difference). Service was okay, girls were not that attractive.
Wondering if others have had better experiences at the Salon or Nuru? Is Nuru there worth it?
2. What are these people selling from what looks like from out of a briefcase these pieces of paper with I think numbers on them?I always thought they were selling lottery numbers.
3. I'm tempted to take one of these motorcycle taxis to the soapy areas but looks so dangerous, is it safe??If a motorcycle taxi collides with another vehicle, the motorcycle taxi passenger will almost always gets the worst of it. The motorcycle taxi driver will have more protection (good shoes, long pants, gloves, jacket, and better helmet). On the upside, it is fast and cheap transportation.
4. I never knew the Indian culture was so much part of Thailand, has it always been like this?? How do they fit in or rank in Thailand culture?India has a long history of being merchants and traders. They have money and money rules.
Mumbai Guy
09-16-15, 18:20
Just back from a five days stay in BKK. My tenth trip in last 12 years. Stayed at Grand Swiss on sukhumvit-11. Nice hotel and a great location.
Day-1. Checked in at 4 PM and after a quick shower was off to soi-24 to ' A Touch of Class'. This oily MP is right next to Addict. A relatively new place. A spacious lobby with sofas and a good selection of girls. Selected Tanya. She is about 5'6" tall slim girl with medium natural boobs. Opted for their Jacuzzi room for a 90 min session for 2600 THB. The room was spacious and new unlike most other oilies. Nice clean up session in the jacuzzi with lot of foreplay including BBBJ. Continued on bed with a DATY followed by boom boom in mish and finish in doggy. Enthusiastic performer with the right noises from her. She appears to genuinely like sex (or maybe she is a good actress) But overall a satisfactory start to the mongering trip. Maybe Anal was on offer but didn't ask as I am not a great anal fan.
Went back to hotel as I had a dinner date with a 32 YO girl whom I hooked up on TF. We had been chatting for over a month and she was eager to meet up. She came to the hotel at about 10.30. Took her to the Argentine Steak house just next door. Talked a lot over dinner with her. She works in a shop selling cosmetics on soi-55 as a selesgirl on commission basis. Never married. Had a steady boyfriend who gave her a baby and ditched her. After dinner we moved to my room. Though she is 32 and a mother of a 6 year old son, she had a great figure. Good 36 size natural tits a slim waist and a nice ass. Almost perfect figure for a 5'3" girl. She was a bit shy in the beginning but warmed up after some hugging and kissing. Had a nice steamy session and then she slept cuddled close to me. Another round in the morning and she left after we had breakfast. She never mentioned any money and was reluctant to accept the 2000 THB I gave her in the morning. I finally convinced her to take the money by saying that it was for her son and she can buy some new clothes or toys for him. She said she could come every night after work and stay with me but I told her that I will call her when I am free. After all who wants the same girl every night in Thailand when so much variety is available. But it was a true GFE.
End of day-1.
I'm tempted to take one of these motorcycle taxis to the soapy areas but looks so dangerous, is it safe??
There are always safety risks with motorcycle taxis. Besides, the MRT can take you to one of the main soapy areas, Huai Khwang, for next to nothing.
Houston Player
09-16-15, 20:50
There are always safety risks with motorcycle taxis. Besides, the MRT can take you to one of the main soapy areas, Huai Khwang, for next to nothing.I agree. The MRT may look intimidating but actually it's very easy. Works almost the same as the BTS except instead of a card you get a chip.
Gannaton48
09-16-15, 21:06
Just back from a five days stay in BKK. My tenth trip in last 12 years. Stayed at Grand Swiss on sukhumvit-11. Nice hotel and a great location.
Day-1. Checked in at 4 PM and after a quick shower was off to soi-24 to ' A Touch of Class'. This oily MP is right next to Addict. A relatively new place. A spacious lobby with sofas and a good selection of girls. Selected Tanya. She is about 5'6" tall slim girl with medium natural boobs. Opted for their Jacuzzi room for a 90 min session for 2600 THB. The room was spacious and new unlike most other oilies. Nice clean up session in the jacuzzi with lot of foreplay including BBBJ. Continued on bed with a DATY followed by boom boom in mish and finish in doggy. Enthusiastic performer with the right noises from her. She appears to genuinely like sex (or maybe she is a good actress) But overall a satisfactory start to the mongering trip. Maybe Anal was on offer but didn't ask as I am not a great anal fan.
Went back to hotel as I had a dinner date with a 32 YO girl whom I hooked up on TF. We had been chatting for over a month and she was eager to meet up. She came to the hotel at about 10.30. Took her to the Argentine Steak house just next door. Talked a lot over dinner with her. She works in a shop selling cosmetics on soi-55 as a selesgirl on commission basis. Never married. Had a steady boyfriend who gave her a baby and ditched her. After dinner we moved to my room. Though she is 32 and a mother of a 6 year old son, she had a great figure. Good 36 size natural tits a slim waist and a nice ass. Almost perfect figure for a 5'3" girl. She was a bit shy in the beginning but warmed up after some hugging and kissing. Had a nice steamy session and then she slept cuddled close to me..I plan to go to Touch of Class in 3 weeks from now. Finally a report from this place! Do you think CIM is offered there, by your girl or in general?
I posted this on "General" - it rightly belongs here as any reader will agreeif they scroll down a couple of pages. Far to many posts are by old timers jousting with each other. FFS - let's have some new information and less arguments about Candy. and her rivals.
""That as I plan my next November trip (and seek up-to-date information) that the scope of this board is incredibly limited.
There just is nothing new. Mere amplification of tedious detail on a very limited number of places*. And the same is true of the web. Look up "Bangkok Massage Parlours. Top ten" - and all the reports cover virtually the same places. Night life reports are not just constrained to NEP, Soi Cowboy and Patong but also to the same three or four bars in each place. The same applies to Pattaya and Phuket.
* and excruitiatig arguments as to whether or not 'A' is a better lay than 'be. '.
It is all a bit like country guide books. Each edition reinforces previous editions because visitors / reporters never get outside the places in the guide book.
I am deliberately making a list of places to avoid. And 'tho I may visit NEP and Soi Cowboy it will not be to any bars recommended here.
Time both locals and visitors "explored. ".Sure exploring for yourself is recommended if you have the time available. Many do not. Years ago I once did a tour of all soapies in certain districts. Not too far afield. There are hundreds of Oily MPs so impossible to try them all. You have to have some approach to trimming down. Most of them will not be what you are looking for.
Sure everyone's tastes are different. Why read the forum at all if you don't want any advice? I think many of us read the forum to be introduced to new things that might be worth trying. When I first joined ISG, I did not attend Oily MPS at all, basically because I don't like massage. I became aware of shops like Tulip and decided to try since they were really not about massage at all. Before that I did only Soapies and bars.
I post on all things that I try. Recently posted on Can Cam Massage which was something different. Almost every new girl tried, gets a report.
There are endless repetitive newbie questions, so the forum is necessarily repetitive. There is nothing wrong with everyone having their own opinion, and liking different things. Reading others reports can sometimes open our eyes to the possibility to try something again that was previously bad but may have changed or improved. I am willing to make a visit to Shark and Baccara again based on other reports, even though did not like them in the past.
The purpose of the forum is to mention places or girls that might be worth trying, for those who have potentially similar tastes or interests. If you don't want any recommendations at all, then the forum will have zero benefits for you.
I agree. The MRT may look intimidating but actually it's very easy. Works almost the same as the BTS except instead of a card you get a chip.Or you can purchase a multi-use card at the station (available at the windows) and avoid using a chip for each trip, which sometimes requires standing on line to purchase. Really easy.
Mumbai Guy
09-17-15, 05:29
I plan to go to Touch of Class in 3 weeks from now. Finally a report from this place! Do you think CIM is offered there, by your girl or in general?Usually almost everything is on the menu in oily MPs. As I was not too keen on CIM I didn't ask. The best approach is to ask the girl before choosing her what all is offered and check whether it matches with your expectations. Else you can clearly lay down your specs to the manager / mamasan / papasan at the venue. In this perticular oily the manager is a girl who herself is pretty hot. I think her name is Nita if I remember right.
Sure exploring for yourself is recommended if you have the time available. Many do not. Years ago I once did a tour of all soapies in certain districts. Not too far afield. There are hundreds of Oily MPs so impossible to try them all. You have to have some approach to trimming down. Most of them will not be what you are looking for.
.You and many others who are 'residents', or spend much time in Bangkok, are, in my view, not adding to the body of knowledge and nor are many web sites which just list the same so called "top ten. ".
MPs are opening (and closing) faster than a working girls draws dropping and coming back on. But seldom are there reports on new openings.
Mumbai Guy
09-17-15, 18:51
Day-2.
After my date for the night left after breakfast, just dozed off till well past noon. Then went to Beer garden. Very few punters and the girls (if you can call them that) heavily outnumbered the punters. Mostly old ladies well past 40 but a couple of younger ones eyeing for some action. Called a girl who appeared doable. She was short and slim with decent figure and above average face. In her early 30's. Bought her a drink and she straight away proposed to go with me. Asked 2000ST but settled for 1500. Took her to my hotel and had an ok session with her. She was ok in bed and gave a decent BBJ. I think she could have agreed for even 1000 as the business was low but no regrets.
In the evening went to NEP. It was drizzling outside but still pretty hot and humid. It was around 10 PM, but there was hardly any crowd. Most bars were empty. Another new ladyboy bar (Fairy) has come up on second level. NEP is fast being invaded by ladyboy bars. Just too many of them and fast loosing its charm. Went to Spanky's. Not much talent there. Then to Billboard. Lot of topless girls shuffling on the left side floor and a couple of girls in a soapy tub on the right. Most girls were below par. Saw an above average face with a nice pair of tits and called her over. After the usual lady drink and some chat barfined her. 2000ST+350 for the ST room+600 BF+drinks. Her name was Joy and she was good in bed. Banged her in mish, CG and finished in doggy. NEP is fast loosing its appeal as far as I am concerned. Just too many LBs swarming all over the place.
You and many others who are 'residents', or spend much time in Bangkok, are, in my view, not adding to the body of knowledge and nor are many web sites which just list the same so called "top ten. ".
MPs are opening (and closing) faster than a working girls draws dropping and coming back on. But seldom are there reports on new openings.You just want to be critical without anyone answering back? LOL.
I would love it all persons on the forum reviewed all girls sessioned and all places visited. I do! If you want all these new places to be reviewed go ahead and do it. We aren't stopping you. Some one us rely on our regulars that we are happy with, and only go seeking new things when have time available (not that much), and when our list of regular girls is depleted. Some of us have to work, may have a GF, and cannot monger on a daily basis, cannot try new things that often.
As I said, I do review new places, never mentioned before when the occasion arises. E. g. Yoremichi, Can Cam, etc. I once did a review of almost every single viable Soapy MP. I review every new girl tried, which happens reasonably regularly, with gaps when away.
I suppose you have no recent reviews of anything new, because you are not in Bangkok, right? Neither am I.
Anyway set the example you want others to follow, instead of criticising so much. Some of us try to post useful info, naming places and girls. I am not going to stay off mentioning some place, just because I have mentioned it before. Newbies on the forum keep asking the same things that have been answered before. That is reality. Topics keep coming up again and again. Nothing strange about that.
The reality is there are lots of ISGers that are lazy (or don't have the time) and don't post reviews of girls and places where found. They maybe selfish and don't want to share, or maybe more interested in smart ass or negative posts, or just bored by the whole thing like yourself, it seems. It is up to everyone to contribute, as they have time to. Don't rely just on old timers like us who have been mongering in Bangkok for 25 years, on and off.
Before you have a crack at others, make sure you are doing better.
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